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Do You Understand The Cultural Capital Of Your Business? #1225
"Do you understand the cultural capital of your business cultural capital term. That was coined by a french sociologist. By the name of pierre bourdieu back in the nineteen seventies. i think it was and he was talking. About how an individual's social assets will determine the success or otherwise in society and he defined social assets things like the level of education. Your language your style of dress. These kind of things and i've also heard expressed in terms of business and when you look at cultural capital from a business perspective or a company perspective. I think there's two aspects to it. The first is the employee aspect and the other is the customer or the client speight and so from an employee aspect. Are you creating a culture in your business. That people wanna be pod off. Is that a fun. Culture doesn't have to be a fun culture. it could be a serious culture for example. If you're a legal firm you probably don't want to have a fun and flippant culture being the pervasive culture in your business you want to be seen as more serious and more stable perhaps and then from a customer perspective is the company culture one which the customers want to buy into isn't one that gives them a reason to come back because people don't just come to your business to buy the products or service oftentimes. What they're coming for. Is that interaction with your business. The interaction with your staff with your your branding with your decor with your environment. So there's a number of different elements to your cultural capital that you have in your business that you need to think about every now and then just ask yourself forget about the economic capital in the business capital is invested into your business the financial money that's invested in your business. What are you creating from a culture perspective that gives you real capital into that business. That actually makes people want to come back. I e creating a great culture for your employees. Are you creating a great culture for your customers and your clients to want to buy into and wanted to be a part of already. That is it for today. I do thank you for your time. And i will begin tomorrow.
Was Pierre McGuire wrong?
"The. That game misconduct podcast with Don McGregor and welcome to the Thursday edition of game has conduct. I am down the Greco. Hopefully, everybody is going well or out of the pretty good day so far and maybe a better day than Pierre McGuire. I guess that's where we're going to start. And I don't want to make a huge deal of it. But it seems like the internet exploded last night. Of course, this is a hockey podcast bobbing in the NHL and since people are talking about it. We're gonna talk about it. And if you have not heard or seen the controversy. It comes down to this last night on NBC sports net of the lightning were playing the Pittsburgh Penguins and the National Hockey League NBC decided and rightly so to give KENDALL Coyne Scofield chance to work with Pierre McGuire between the benches for the game. Of course, she almost one speed competition and the all star game. She's a gold medal a great hockey player h twenty six and she's definitely made her dues knows understands the game. And NBC I think did a great job to give her the opportunity to share. That real estate with Pierre McGuire. And before the game started this the exchange that caused a lot of controversy in angst. Among a lot of sports fans specifically hockey fans before the game between the lightning and the penguins. Soil. Tampa is going to be on your lap going to be on your right? What do you expect out of this game? Pay me at bien analyst not to be a fan tonight. All for heaven had a game on the other hand had a tough loss on Monday. Got a little bit of the water by do jersey. Devils so exciting to see the start tonight blouse. Trouble blouse back to all right here. We go. I know Pierre McGuire fairly, well, I wouldn't say we're friends, but we've definitely crossed paths beginning with the Stanley Cup final that I covered in two thousand six between the hurricanes and the Edmonton Oilers. So we traveled a little bit got to know each other. I worked at NHL live. He used to do weekly with us. So I I certainly know appear McGuire. And I know he's a good guy. And I also know that he's an arrogant guy. I mean, this is someone that does have a bit of a chip on his shoulder. And I think he'd be the first to tell you that he looks at that real estate between the benches as his turf, and I think he does kind of perform and announce with bit of a chip on his shoulder. Maybe it comes from the fact he didn't play in the NHL and sometimes that's a little bit of a discomfort among other analysts who all played the game. He did coach, of course with Hartford and with Pittsburgh. And I think he belongs there. There's no question about it. But I wonder if there may be a little bit of sensitivity to the fact that he feels like he has to be a little bit more over. The top because he did not play the game the way a lot of other guys in that situation, especially on the national platform have. But that's just the way he is. And he's very protective of space. And I think sometimes that may come across as him being sexist or him being a little bit in the wrong in this particular situation. I don't think he meant anything negative. I don't think he was looking down at Kendal at all. I just think he misspoke, and where I believe he misspoke the most of it because I'm not even going to get into you know, Tampa will be here. Pittsburgh would be there because they weren't at the respective benches. And I'm sure he knows that she knows the difference between Tampa Bay Lightning in Pittsburgh penguin. I think he was just trying to be a little bit understanding of that. This is the first time that she was doing this. Maybe he was a little condescending at the fact that he is a pro at this, and she has never done it before. So maybe he was a little over the top when that came to fruition. But we're I think he misspoke was when he said now, you're. You're being paid as an analyst. Now, you're not a fan. We'll fans never on the table. She didn't win a contest she thought there is a fan. She's there because she plays hockey, she played hockey and an elite level. She just came off participating in the skills competition at the all star game less than a week ago. She belongs there as an analyst because she played the games. You never be maybe played the NHL, but she's put on skates. She's played at the highest level that a woman can play at on this planet. So she's not a fan. She didn't want to contest. So you're not being paid to be a fan. What he could have said maybe meant to say was that. You're not a player here. You're an analyst now. So you've got to be critical of these players. You're not among them like you were at the all star game last weekend. You're now somebody paid to analyze it. So I'm going to go knowing peer the way that I do that. That's probably where he was trying to go, but you have to be held responsible for what you say. And what he did say came across his very condescending. So whether he wants to apologize for that or not that's his business and. Whether it's looked upon something that NBC is going to make him do or want him to do as of this recording at quarter to two eastern time on Thursday. I have not seen that happen yet. But I'm sure it will. Because again, I believe here's a good guy. And I think he means well, and I've never sent him to be sexist, and I think the condescending part of it was probably an accident. But as I said, you have to be held responsible for what you say. And to look at her as anything other than a player would be wrong because I think the NHL I think NBC you've seen it up in the CBC to with Cassie Campbell Pasco getting opportunities to to analyze games not just as a host. But also as a color commentator with the play by play boys, either in the booth between the benches these networks have done a great job of allowing women to break down that wall of not just being a host. But also getting a chance to analyze the game because of all the sports hockey is right up there where there's not that big of a difference between playing. Hockey on the Olympic level as a woman in playing NHL hockey, especially where the NHL physicality is changed quite a bit. I mean, there's no fighting in the Olympics. There's no checking in the Olympic game in the women's game. The way it is at the NHL level. But certainly she know what it's it's like the play on the power play to kill a penalty to complete a pass to take a shot to fly down the ice at twenty miles per hour with skates on so she can analyze that. I think she can actually analyze the game just as well as anybody else can analyze the game. I mean, Jessica Mendoza does a great job at ESPN on Sunday night baseball having never played baseball. She played softball. But she understands the game the fundamental aspects of the game and she's done a great job. So I think a lot of these networks need to be applauded for breaking down that wall and men have to get used to that. And I know they're very protective of their space. And I do have conversations with women quite a bit about what is uncomfortable. The fact that men look do women belong here or. So the aspect of well, you never played in the NHL a lot of times when I try to analyze the game as a play by play voice or as a talk show host. Sometimes I feel like a player can say well done, you shouldn't have that opinion. Never played. You don't understand what it's like to be a player? I think there's always gonna be that awkwardness. Because because I'm a man I might be able to get away with analyzing the game because there could be that thought. Well, maybe Don did play. But you know, that a woman never played in the NHL because no woman has ever played in the NHL before. So is there is that barrier to try to overcome sometimes for women? But I think it's incumbent on us as men to be more open and to talk more as equals not just to say there my equal, but actually treat. Hey, they are equal Pierre. Mcguire. Analyze the game is a former coach in this league. And she can analyze the game as a player on the women's level playing at a high level the Olympics exactly the same. So. So you can't just can't be lip service. Yeah. She's my equal. No. She is equal. All right. She may be going out about it at a different way. She may have taken a different path to the booth and a lot of men did. But doesn't mean that her value and her analysis is any different. So I think we all have to kind of get over that. Because more of that's coming in. I think it's great. And it should be applauded for. Sure, it shouldn't just be. We should try to do it. We should actually do it. So don't let what happened last night. I think stumbling block for that to continue to progress. I think it was a mystic by Pierre. Having known him. I I also understand that I follow this sport. And I understand I follow sports social media that he's not the most popular cat among hockey fans for sure so it's probably very difficult for hockey fans to give him the benefit of the Dow one something like this happens because I think they take great pleasure in him dropping the ball because they don't like him. But as somebody that's neutral bordering on knowing him. I will. Give him the benefit of that. But I also believe that I it was a misspeaking and apology is probably necessary. But I'm not going to go crazy like some people have on the internet that he should be fired or disciplined some way, shape or form. I just think it was a little bit of an awkward misunderstanding that needs to be addressed in some way, shape or form. But disciplinary action I think might be a little bit over the top. So I'm probably skewing more middle of the road on this opinion. But I do believe the whole ura fan. You're not a fan. Now, you're an analyst was a little bit outta line. But teach their own, and I'm sure Pierre is going to continue to get destroyed by the people hate him. We'll continue to be loved by the people that love him. And hopefully, this whole thing when the smoke clears realized that the opportunity last night that KENDALL Coyne. God needs to happen. More often. I also think she did a great job watching the game. She analyzed it. Very well, she if she was intimidated all the might have just been by the fact that she had never done that before that kind of level. And I think she'll continue to get better. And hopefully, she'll continue to get the opportunities to get better to the game that she analyzed last night. I bought the penguins. This kind of came out of nowhere. I mean, there's the penguins team that lost four out of five got beat by the devil. Six three a team. That's not going to the playoffs and legitimate concerns around the league, the Pittsburgh might be in a little bit of trouble. They take on the Tampa Bay Lightning team. That's not in any kind of trouble just running away with the division and the league and bang. Pittsburgh goes out there jumps out to a huge lead and wins the game going away forty two as Pittsburgh scored the first four goals of the game including three in the first period. Sheahan gets his seventh kessel is twenty-first. Crosby twenty-second then look Tang midway through period. Number two. It's a blow out a couple of goals. Late by Tampa J T Miller gets eight stamkos is twenty-seven. The window window-dressing considering stamkos goal came a little over two minutes to play. So nice statement by the lightning. And maybe a bigger statement by Murray who really seems to. Dictate where this Pittsburgh Penguins team is going when he's hot man, he's unbeatable and the penguins are unbeatable and when he struggles it seems like Pittsburgh's in a lot of trouble made thirty three saves last night facing the thirty five shots to get the victory for the Pittsburgh Penguins who needed that win. So they get themselves a little bit of distance between themselves and the Buffalo Sabres has the sabers lost in Dallas one to nothing. Bishop makes thirty saves early goal by Ben and that's lights out for the buffalo. Sabres who are in a tough spot that begin with as we mentioned playing Columbus the night before Columbus in Dallas are not that close at the travel halfway across the country to play a thought they made a spirited effort. But just unfortunately came up short. So here's the way the standings look right now at Pittsburgh's Victor just shows you how close it is. Pittsburgh went from being the last wildcard team to second place in the metropolitan division. They have sixty points. Washington has sixty points. Columbus fifty nine points. That's how close this thing is from either, you know, getting a chance to avoid. Having to play Tampa in the first round or having to get a chance to be a second or third place team in the division or a chance to win the division. That's how close it is the Allender sitting their idle again and not gonna play again until they take on Tampa coming up on Friday. They've got sixty three points, Pittsburgh with sixty Washington with sixty and the allergist have a game in hand on both Pittsburgh and Washington so that really helps the islanders caused but just shows you how tight it is the Pittsburgh wins one game goes from second wildcard to second place in the metropolitan division. So now buffalo finds themselves Chafee chasing after Columbus. So instead of being down by four points because the Pittsburgh's win it's now just three points. So of Columbus with the fifty nine buffalo with the fifty six so buffalo would not have caught. Columbus. Anyway, even if buffalo at one that game they'd still be on the outside looking in for the playoffs. But at least they'd be a little bit closer. So Buffalo's played one more game than the blue jackets. That's a problem. And also Columbus has twenty eight wins to Buffalo's twenty five in a row wins or twenty eight to twenty two. So the sabers as of right now, and it can change obviously for who they're chasing. But they are going to probably have to beat outright the teams that are ahead of them considering they don't have any of the tiebreakers at this particular point in the season. Carolina still very much involved while they're not gonna play again until Friday when they play host Vegas there right now five points out and played one more game than Columbus. So the two teams that are on the outside looking in in the race for the Eastern Conference. Definitely took a blow AND DEFINITELY DO. Not have any of the tiebreakers. They're going to be important with Dallas is win. They stay in. I in the wildcard, but they get a two point lead. Now on the. Blanche for that. I spot in the wildcard bus avoiding having to play the best team in the Western Conference. And right now that would be Calgary. So that's something. They wanna try to avoid and also try to see if they can't climb up in catch the other central division teams, which is something I think Dallas wants to focus itself on in the central division. Right now. Dallas is one point back of Minnesota for third place and ten points back of Nashville. So right now, they're focused has to be Minnesota stars in the wild of both played fifty games the Rowen's or even at twenty five. So that was a big win for Dallas last night. They get the shutout Bishop looked good. And with all the controversy that swirled around Dallas this year for them to really be a playoff team this deepens of the season. That's a that's a pretty good job outta them. And we'll see if they can keep that going are. This is the last night where the schedule scaled down before we start getting back to normal on Friday. So again, just just three games tonight. Seven. Lock the flyers and the Bruins from Boston is Philadelphia's looking for their sixth consecutive win and Boston trying to get off the mat member before the break they lost the Rangers than that of losing the shootout to Winnipeg back on Tuesday. So sue a Boston and do Rangers in devils from the rock devil's coming off at oppressive win over Pittsburgh Rangers getting shut up by Philadelphia. These are to also rans right now. But the Rangers seeing if they can't find a way to get back into it. Of course, the Rangers concerned about the injuries trying to get Hayes going after coming back from his upper body injury, and how'd and zuccarello hurt. So the Rangers trying to get healthy right now. Hank will be back in the lineup after what was a great all-star game for him and the blue jackets jets intrigued by this as well as an eight o'clock start in Winnipeg, we just outlined blue jackets now who fall into the wild card position. And the jets trying to distance themselves in the central division as we speak right now. The Winnipeg Jets are in first place in the central division of the NHL. But which just a two point lead on Nash. Bill Winnipeg's break is that they've played to less games the Nashville. So they've got a chance to distance themselves with the victory coming up tonight against the Columbus. Blue jackets, are let's hear from you at down the Greco hashtag came as conduct. I'm sure there's a lot of people that want to comment on the Pierre. Mcguire stuff Stam Diaz says Donnie, pox, some may say Maguire's comments are being overblown. But I can't imagine him saying those comments to a male player ever. It was as to terms go a real bad optic. I agree with you. I'm not going to get over the top with it. But I think the criticism is deserved. And I think he did miss speak. But you have to be responsible for misspeaking Courtney says hi, Don, I ended up missing the game. But after seeing some of the highlights amaze KENDALL handle it as well as she did. It speaks to a professionalism it seriously did he really have to explain which side of the ice teams were playing on again that part of it. I will kind of defend PR in a sense that they're not on the bench at that point. I think he was just over the top saying this is your first time. Being an analyst here is some of the things you need to be prepared for that just peer being peer if you know him on a personal level of didn't seem that out of school to me. But the comment of hey, you're not a fan. That's not why she's here. She's she is a player, and that needs to be taken into consideration a little bit more than I think it was by Pierre. Try says I didn't catch the game or PM Aguire comments were made. But judging from what I read it seems condescending in an appropriate. I think a public apology or some sensitivity training needs to be made to make amends. I'm not sure about the sensitivity training. But I think an apology probably would be appropriate. Michael says, what is your take on Pierre? Mcguire man, explaining a hockey to KENDALL Coyne last night. Yikes. I I think that's a great word man splaying. It's like, oh, I'm a man. So let me explain how it all works. And I think the person that does that maybe doesn't mean any ill will. But I think upon further analysis it does clearly come across as. Very condescending. All right. Let's move onto the hockey Jeremy says other than playoff series, what has been your favorite Rangers devils moment in honor of a rivalry night tonight between those two teams. Well, obviously, we're not gonna go over all the playoffs and the times that they played so non-playoffs I mentioned yesterday on the podcast that that great shootout win the devils had against the Rangers of Madison Square Garden. Patrick eliash scored the game winning goal in the shootout, that's one that the the kind of leaps the mind. It's just it's so difficult Jeremy to think about the regular season because there's been just so many good postseason games between these teams. But that's probably the ones that I think of the most or the one that I think of the most that Elliott shootout win over in the garden a few years ago NHL to Houston says do you think Houston will get an NHL team while we talked about this as well on the podcast earlier in the week? There are rumors that there's the possibility that the coyotes can move to Houston. It's tough. To put a finger on when Quebec City or Houston will get a team because they're not gonna expand anymore. They've got thirty two teams. They're not gonna go to thirty three thirty four thirty two might be too much to be honest with you. But they're already at thirty two of the addition of Seattle. So I would have to think keep an eye on teams that are failing financially or teams that are desperate for new buildings. We spoke about Calgary could they use leveraging the flames to another city to try to get the province of L Berta, a new building to replace the saddledome. What's the situation with Florida? It looks like the islanders have if solve their situation with the new building that's going to be erected in Belmont. So the islanders are probably off the table hurricanes new owner if the team continues to fail looks like they miss the playoffs again this year that would be a decade without the playoffs in Carolina fan base, a little frustrated, so I guess for the hurricanes could be a possible team as well. So I think the people of Houston, and if you're handle is NHL to Houston. I assume it's something you're definitely gonna follow keep more in line with. With teams that could possibly move rather than the possibility of expansion. Chris. Hey, Don after last night. Do you think at the trade deadline, Tampa could use a hard nosed, heart and soul net? Front presence tie player. That can also provide veteran leadership and most likely disdains the penguins. I'd like to see Wayne when a Cup. I I could see Wayne Simmons go in there. Gutis I can think if you're looking for a little physicality out of Tampa. I I don't want to over analyze the lightning. I mean, they lost to the islanders a couple of weeks ago given three early goals lost to Pittsburgh last night given up a three early goals in four straight. It's not an excuse, but you could see Tampa being a little bored. They know they're winning their division. They know they're winning their conference in the regular season. Then they know likely they're gonna win the presidents trophy. Which is a sure I'm not sure there's a lot of people or a lot of teams that want Pat because the president trophy winner rarely goes on a wins the Stanley Cup. So I can see as we. Enter February a team like that being a little bored and not ready, and then you're taking on a Pittsburgh team at home that was desperate for a win. So that's usually a deadly combination. But I would think that the powers that be in Tampa will be looking to try to solidify some things here. But I gotta be honest with you if they don't I still think there could be the favorites to win the Cup. Richard said we are now on day eight when though islanders hockey that being said, how do you feel about the by week? Do you think that it helps the game or do the players like it? I don't think anybody really likes it. I think the players especially some of the younger ones like we were talking about it with the Rangers. You have a lot of the college players or guys that just got drafted into league. Like a heated like a nineteen years old like, wow, they might be sucking wind playing all these games than I used to playing eighty two games. So it's a nice break. I just think it's too long than coinciding with the all star game. I I don't think it's ever good for a sport. That's really trying to promote itself, especially in some of the non traditional hockey markets were your team and your story disappears for a week. And. Half. Right. Where you got an islander team that's really fighting in the New York landscape for attention there in first place there a hot team. Oh, by the way, they disappear for ten days. So does that make sense for your sport? Does that make sense for your team? So I guess it does help from a physical standpoint. But when you're a hot team, and you've got some momentum going not just on the ice. But in attendance in an attention that your team is getting I don't think it's ever a good idea to just disappear for ten days like that. So I think that's that is certainly a mistake. Are this is fun today? I didn't realize we're gonna have the controversy that we had. But we did get a couple of pops in there. So we've got the the the games to analyze tomorrow, the three games get you set up for what should be a very busy weekend in the National Hockey League's things finally get back to normal and tomorrow will be my top five of the week. So if you've got any suggestions for that definitely send me off a tweet when you tweet me you have to tweet with hashtag game is conduct. That's ways a lot easier for me to. Able to file it away read it ahead of time and take a look at it. So it doesn't get lost. I I've noticing sometimes on my timeline some people have legitimate hockey questions, and they don't put game as conduct as the hashtag. And it gets lost. So make sure you definitely do that. If you want to get in touch with me everything's up for grabs. Comments criticisms, whatever at download brecca hashtag game misconduct. So back with you again. Tomorrow should be fun. This was the Thursday edition of game has conduct. 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Ask The Doctors: Mask Mandates, Vaccine News
"Support for radio boston. And the following message come from the peabody essex museum presenting the pem cast conversations and stories for the culturally curious from meditative art to the origin of sea shanties. The pem cast expands your world. Find it on your podcast app. Or at p. e. m. dot org time for aspe- doctors so call us with your corona virus and vaccine questions. The number one eight hundred four two three eight two five five. That's one eight hundred four to three talk and here's where we stand in massachusetts right now. In regard to the covid nineteen pandemic some two million people more than thirty percent of state residents are now fully vaccinated. Vaccine appointments are now available to anyone over sixteen at least in theory test. Positivity rates for covid nineteen continues to hover about above two percent hospitalizations. Have inched up. Thanks in large. Part to those variants and that locally developed johnson and johnson vaccine sits and storage to our north new hampshire is lifted its mask mandate even if the state's chief medical officer urges residents to wear a mask massachusetts governor. Charlie baker says. He'll keep the state's mask mandate in place until more people are vaccinated so joining us now to answer our questions. And your doctor cassandra. Pierre acting hospital epidemiologist an infectious disease physician at boston medical center and assistant professor at the boston university school of medicine. Welcome back to radio boston. Dr pierre dr pierre good to have you here thank you also with us. Dr benjamin linus season infectious disease physician at boston medical center and associate professor of medicine epidemiology at the boston university school of medicine. Welcome to you as well. Dr linus ready to be here. Thanks so let me start. And i'll start with you. Dr pierre let me start with the j. and j. vaccine it's been shelved for a week now. Reports of dangerous blood clots in six women who got the vaccine out of close to seven million doses administered. What's the latest on the investigation. And what we know about that. We are still waiting for more details about potential link between jj and these by clouds and as you say at least six women who were hearing from ethnic she got. We may have more information later on during the week. We're hoping for more information about both whether there is a connection and if there is is their population of people could be safely vaccinated with j. without incurring that undue risk But we still are overwhelmingly see evidence of potential positive or positive risk abandonment versus risk given the state of our current. Pandemic these of the administration between jason. We're hoping for more information on this after during this. Well we'll be watching that and listeners. Again if you have questions you want to ask a doctors give us a call at one. Eight hundred four two three eight two five five. That's one eight hundred four to three talk. And i believe we have a caller michelle. Who's on the line from lexington. Michelle go ahead. You're on the air good to have you. Hi thank you. i'm fully vaccinated. I went and visited my daughter in charleston south carolina. I'm asked In all public places she's vaccinated. Her fiance is one vaccination. I came home. And i have worn a mask In my home with my husband who's not vaccinated and we're sleeping in separate rooms. Is that really necessary. What do you think dr line is. What's your advice to michelle tricky and it comes down to risks and benefits. I didn't there's an element of time and of the personal time line of making decisions. So it's hard for me to give you a specific recommendation. But i can tell you that Time does matter and your time since potential exposure matters And so you know after five to seven days of being home. I think that whatever small risk there is transmission is that much smaller and it would probably be okay. We know that the vaccine does decrease the risk of transmission by about ninety percent. Which is quite spectacular. Actually but in this time when there's not not everyone vaccinated yet and so that does leave a ten percent transmission. Ten percent of that transmission is left and dot. Ten percent is enough to keep sustaining epidemic. While we're waiting for people to get vaccinated. I think this'll be enough. Ninety percent will be great. I think it can get us out of this. But in the meantime we're not all there yet so people have to remember. There's still some risk of transmission. And i'd like to ask both of you doctors This question we're not all there yet. And obviously we have to continue to take Precautions and social distancing masking. When do you. what's your best. Guess when not when we're going to be one hundred percent there but when there is going to re when it's really gonna feel like this pandemic has largely behind slummy comeback to you dr pierre. That's also a typical question to answer. You know we are finally in the stage where we are vaccinating people sixteen years of age and older state and it's a wonderful movement but we really can't lose momentum we have to ensure that we are not seeing what we've seen in other areas where people who are perceiving themselves at less risk for the virus are less interested in the vaccine and may have more concerns about vaccine side effects for go getting vaccinated. We see some saturation fact. And we need to ensure that we keep our messaging high that we stay momentum and get to that awfully eighty percent that we're thinking they equate to community immunity. So obviously can't give your time on that will be reached. But i think that will go a long way to sustaining a sense of safety reducing the risk of individual Infection the risk of transmission attorneys pointed out And also you know sustaining community health with this immunity But that's only part of the equation. League that'll give us a sense locally a you know until we get better with distributing these vaccines globally. There's always the threat of course of other issues. Outside of our control including kobe would variance. So it's gonna be a bit of time but we can absolutely do this which seemed to stain momentum to get as many people backseat as possible. Well speaking of sustaining momentum. I want to talk a little bit about public health versus politics and it seems like so much has a political dividing line these days. A recent poll shows that somewhere between a third to a half of republicans don't want to get vaccinated and that polling was done before the the johnson and johnson vaccine news. So here's dr. Anthony fauci on cbs news. Yesterday i find that really extraordinary because those are the ones that keep saying. You're encroaching on our liberties by asking us to wear masks. And to do the kinds of restrictions that public health issues the easiest way to get out of that is to get vaccinated so it's almost paradoxical that they don't want to get vaccinated. We can't be pejorative to them. We've got to try and convince them why it's so important. So dr linus from your perspective in the field. How can the public health community convince the skeptics right. Well that's that's sort of the question of the hour. I wish i could answer that straightforwardly. We're all trying to find that out. I think A dr fauci makes a fantastic point. Which is that. It's absolutely critical. That on people don't become documental and pejorative and that we try to listen to hear what the kids are and then also to seek out trusted voices to that community and it's going to take dialogue and talking to folks and listening and hearing what their concerns are actually responding to those things simply screaming data and yelling at a at people they should do. This is not going to work because it doesn't work in any other public health effort. It really does take the hard job of listening and responding and trying to find a dialogue and trying to find the narrative that generates trust right. Let me ask you both about mask. Mandates i'm talking to you on this day from new hampshire actually which has dropped its statewide. Mandate governor sununu dropped at the end of last week. It was curious to me though because as chief medical officer said keep wearing masks. It's essential that you keep wearing masks. Massachusetts has not dropped the mask mandate but some public health officials are saying that it can be lifted for outside gatherings Dr pr what's your take on how we should be thinking about masking up at this moment in the pandemic. I think it's important to just keep an eye on what we're seeing in our community and what we know science. At this point we have not achieved higher levels of oxidation that we need to confer that community unity and at the same time as no we are experiencing transmission of variants of concern that 'cause levels of tranquillity in our community as well so while you deal with those things as we tried vaccine as many people as possible. We need to rely on things that we know work which includes masking now for groups of individuals who have been vaccinated and high level It's true that wearing a mask outside may not assert might not be entirely necessary But many people are gonna confuse. That lack of a mask mandate with not wearing masks indoors At gatherings in places where people are really at risk for higher levels of transmission especially if there are lower levels of vaccinated individuals in those groups to shield people who are unvaccinated from infection And so at this point in our pandemic beer still going through pandemic even though you know been feeling that are low. Numbers are lower that her deaths are dropping This is still something who's is a great risk to all of us And so it is important to continue to wear those masks You know follow public health guidance And certainly wear those masks within six feet of individuals Whether indoors or out at this point in our pandemic. I want to go back to our calls. Janet is calling from cape ann. Go ahead janet. You're on the air good to have you. Thanks for the call. Thank you anthony to say. I just absolutely love it. Radio host on point and on radio boston. Thank you thank you. you're welcome. I love you. I love you anyways. both my husband and i are fully back vaccinated on straw mass quiz and so forth. One of us has type two diabetes and has attention and there's blindness also. We have a person who is supposed to be coming to the house. Who is from new york. Who is supposed to work with myself. And my dog i'm training The concern is she is not vaccinated. And i'm not sure how to handle it. Should i not the come all right janet. That's a great question. I'm going to hold that question and we're going to have the doctors answer it. But i wanna take one more call from george. Who's calling from the mass. Pike go ahead. you're on the air. Hi thanks for taking my call. Yeah i just wanna say that. I have a large network of friends and family. Where everyone is. Accented and people are starting to have these small gatherings like dinners and i just wonder how to deal with something like that with a large network of people who are vaccinated. But what kind of precautions do we still take georgia. It's a great question Dr let me start with you and start with janet's question Which seemed like an important one. Sure absolutely so. I think the simple bottom line solution to janet's question is if she has the visitor from new yorkers training her pat where a mask psa. If everyone's a mask in the house that's absolutely appropriate and safe and that really at that point the person who might be assuming some because actually the person coming into the home not fully vaccinated people who are living in the house. But i think everybody they are backs. The vaccine had folks their transmission risk cut down by roughly ninety percent and then also work a mask. That's absolutely responsible as as an appropriate thing to do and the second quite with these are the hardest questions now. I think the second question around the network of akron listeners are good at that. they're good at hard questions. Yeah there's a lot of questions. I personally have found this to be one of the most challenging not the questions that become extremely challenging. Now because i felt like i used to have a decent sense of what the right answer was and now it's really a well. It's hard to say. But i would say that in a network of all vaccinated folks having dinner. Parties and private. Settings is exactly what i would say. We should be going to start doing now. It's important to recuperate. All these relationships that better than suffering and loss for more than a year now and when everyone vaccinated. That's the one of the benefits of the vaccine. I don't think we should fall into collective nihilism and never allow ourselves a joy at this point and so a dinner party of action. People is absolutely appropriate and as a great way to get back into the post covid world. I think it's too soon to go to a nightclub. And i would argue to to go just to go party at the beach but to have to have private gatherings other vaccinated folks is fantastic. Doctor do you agree with that. You concur with your with your colleague that this is the time to start. Celebrating fellow vaccinated the dinner table. I absolutely agree. I think you know we have arm unity. We need to enjoy it. It's hard one And so yes we should stat The things to keep in mind. Oh are you know whether in your group a smaller group of tempe below or less vaccinated individuals Whether you have family members who might be at higher risk of You know the severe complications cohen and have been unvaccinated themselves or might be difficult to attain immunity due to severe no deficiencies For those individuals you might wanna rethink the behavior or the activities that you engagement because as much as your risk of transmission to those individuals is dramatically lowered south carolina's mentioned. It's not zero so that would be the one Potential vector to think about when you're going out but yes otherwise. It is time to start doing yourself in in moderation and deliberately. Well how will you to that Let me get one. More call in gene is calling from hamilton. Go ahead jeanne. You're on the air. Thanks for the call. Hi hi yes. Doctors i was part of the astrazeneca trial tough. And i i got online just because i am the age that i was eligible so i have received a vaccine shots but i'm concerned minutes not approved in the united states. Pamper me should. I get the pfizer. A how would i would would digestion. That's great another really interesting question. Dr linus let me come to you for that getting harder and harder. So i i think that if you've received one question is if you were in the clinical trial do you know the actually received doses of the active compound not placebo. But let's keep it a hard question all assume that this is two doses of that. This is fully vaccine with astrazeneca vaccine. Then at that point. You're right it doesn't have approval in the united states but there's that efficacy data at it absolutely approved around the world and and so i would suggest that you hold in there a little bit before seeking more vaccine because we need to be vaccinated broadly and not you know it takes a lot to get an appointment right now but that's a hard call because it's not approved in the united states. Correct hard call. Well thank you for that for that caller and doctors. Thank you for your time today. It's always great to have you. I our listeners. Always appreciate a doctor cassandra pierre. She's acting hospital epidemiologist and an infectious disease physician at boston medical center and assistant professor of the boston university school of medicine. Dr thank you. Thank you and dr benjamin linus and infectious disease physician at boston medical center and associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at the boston university. School of medicine. Dr thank you as well. Always a pleasure to have you yeah. Thank you for having the radio boston. That is our show for today. Our program is produced by jamie bologna. Chris citric peres. Allston and walter wolfman with help from steve Gallon and half shut qureshi. Our engineer today is marquees and our executive producer is harvey. I'm anthony brooks join us again for more radio boston.
Ask The Doctors: New Variants Arrive In Massachusetts, Vaccine Rollout
"As we heard throughout today's show access and equity challenges continue to strain the commonwealth rollout of corona virus vaccines. Some changes are coming people over sixty five with two co morbidity is can sign up for vaccine appointments starting tomorrow this as the first case of the more contagious south african corona virus variant was detected in massachusetts. This week. there are lots of questions including yours. So let's welcome a panel of health professionals. Who can help answer them. We've got doctor cassandra. Pierre she's an infectious disease physician and the associate hospital epidemiologist at boston. Medical center and assistant professor of medicine at the school of medicine. Welcome dr pierre hope. We'll be joined by dr pierre moment. We haven't got her just yet on the line. But we do have dr christopher gill. He's an infectious disease clinician and researcher who focuses on vaccines and the epidemiology of respiratory diseases at boston university. He's also an associate professor at the school of public health. Good to have you back gill high so great to be here. Thanks for considering me. Well we're glad to have and listeners. We'd like you to chime in with your questions for the doctors. Please you can give us a ring with your cove. Nineteen questions or equity questions. We're at one eight hundred four two three eight two five five again. That's one eight hundred four to three doc talk. I should say what we're going to talk with the docs and And dr phil let me start with you. We were just taking with the members of the vaccine now coalition and they are concerned dr guilt. Because it's not just about the raw numbers on aggregate. The cds says massachusetts actually ranks among the top ten. When it comes to per-capita vaccinations in this state. So by that sort of overall metric were among the national leaders and yet if you appeal the numbers apart a little bit there are big equity issues there. What are you seeing well. I don't do vaccinations. so i'm i'm. I'm not sure that. I have much of an opinion on that My my wife. who's a pediatrician. Has been volunteering. At one of the vaccine distribution centers in newton and you know she sort of described a sort of almost joyous festive atmosphere. Because people were so excited to be receiving the vaccines. But you know it was. A you know was very specific. Demographic of of you know Individuals who probably came from the surrounding towns and so he was were relatively few if any individuals who were A black or brown. And so i think i think the kinds of concerns that were raised Previous guests are probably quite valid that the vaccines are being being given but that that there is still a ways to go in terms of making sure that they're being given in a in a fair and equitable way. Yeah well. I think your wife's anecdote really sort of underscores that point and we do. Now have doctor. Cassandra pierre on the line so welcome. Dr pierre welcome. Thank you for having. Hey cassandra i wanted to hear your voice. Dr pierre with the the line of questioning. I just put to to dr gill and it sounds like you might be able to elaborate on the point. We were just discussing issues of equity and access in the vaccine rollouts massachusetts although on the aggregate is among the national leaders when it comes to per capita vaccinations when you look more closely at the numbers. They're not going to everyone in equal measure. And i wonder what you are seeing to that effect. We're absolutely seeing that even in our central hospital where we care disproportionately for Structurally vulnerable populations including communities of color. I see that when my patients come they have questions they they are listening. They they want obviously in your self interest in. They're more likely to get the vaccine when there. But the also essential workers on the frontlines. They can't afford as much time to either come into the clinic or to You know to even link up for a talented to talk about the vaccine. So we're always running short time and we know that it's hard to get people when they're not in our clinic. Were not in the context thinking about vaccines because there's so many other issues that we need to prioritize. Social determinants of health are food access transportation or jobs our children in what's happened with them And so i wholeheartedly. Green what senator mentioned in terms of thinking about different models flexible models a vaccine delivery which include mobile delivery of these vaccines At the other thing is that given whatever he talked about the fact that during this pandemic communities of color of also seen a great rob off economic economic viability there also needs to be other ways that The system is indicating care for communities of color. So hearing these vaccine messages or the vaccines themselves with referrals to the food pantry or to unemployment applications. There's so many things that are so important to the health of communities of color beyond vaccines. Although clearly i am very much interested in our in my community getting needed We wanna make sure that we are hearing ourselves with. The priorities are such a good point. There are so many intertwined issues there. We're talking about the vaccine. Roll out with dr christopher. Gill and doctor cassandra pierre. And we'd love to hear from you as well if you have a question for the doctors give us a ring at one. Eight hundred four two three eight two five five. That's one eight hundred four to three talk. Dr peter went to pick up on that point that you were talking about when it comes to equity access something that came up on the program. Yesterday was the reality that in some parts of boston in particular. The life expectancy is less than the eligibility to get the vaccine. Even when you drop down to sixty five there are neighborhoods predominantly black and brown neighborhoods in boston with life. Expectancy is only sixty and so many people aren't even living long enough to become eligible to get the vaccine. Is that an issue that you're confronting. yes it is. We have seen at our clinics in her hospital. People who are a very much candidates for the next should be multiple underlying health conditions. That put them at risk for severe forms of hidden have been waiting and waiting to get their vaccines. We've been anxious and trying to keep them. Crooked uninfected until that point Probably the more pressingly in our hospital and other hospitals as well. We see that even interested for each background dying more frequently than we see that regardless of age in every age range of people that are being affected are people of color and these rates are higher even for younger individuals And what you mentioned in terms of the great discrepancy in in tallahassee. That's only getting worse. Cova we know that as a whole in our country we lost years. Unfortunately life due to covid nineteen But because black and brown communities were starting at a lower life expectancy they have lost. The loss of life in our in our communities is making this got more pronounced And so yes. It is an equity to think about starting at higher age ranges and having that greater than seventy five age range of be the primary for a longer period of time without trying to mobilize the younger age groups especially black around communities that are going to be actually higher risk than some of the individuals who are in areas that are less socially or structurally sure and again that age requirement is dropping to sixty five. starting tomorrow. There will be some lag time as far as making appointments and actually getting those shots Let's go to some of the calls now. We know that you have questions for the doctors as well. Kevin is in san hill. Go ahead kevin. What are you wondering. The question. I have is with the onset of then you go with variance Would it be wise to Some kind of protective glasses Particularly in a public place kevin. Thanks for that question. Dr gill how. 'bout i put that one to you. That's a good one. Because you know folks are just reading recently about the cdc changing its mascot and saying that perhaps we should start double masking. Should we also be covering our eyes kevin's wandering so actually. It's a really great question. Kevin i think there is a great question without a lot of really great data There have been a number of reports over the past year suggesting that people who wore glasses or people who wear face masks were at reduced risk of of Acquiring over nineteen infections but at least in the case of the face masks the me. The face shields. They were all wearing masks as well and so it was very difficult to separate. What was the additional benefit of the mask over a face. Shield over the face mask itself. And i think the evidence around wearing was pretty equivocal. So i think the answer to your question is unknown and and because it is unknown My general feeling is that when we're we're sort of in this ambiguous area and we don't know if it matters we don't know it doesn't matter there is some merit on positive assuming that perhaps it does matter that case because we don't know we don't know the opposite so if you are in a an enclosed space and exposed to lots of people in close proximity to other individuals you know. It's not totally unreasonable. Things to do. But i cannot say with any scientific confidence that matters all that match You know the the question of does cova. Nineteen that is acquired through contact on your is lead to a systemic infection that that is really unknown at this point still surprisingly. We don't know this feels like a long time. Yes go ahead. Dr pierre i apologize. I'm sorry this is just something i feel strongly about. Sago compel inventiveness. I agree with my colleague. Dr guilt that you know. There's not a lot of evidence. In the community suggesting the benefit of i protection than the healthcare industry in higher risk clinical settings do have evidence to show that wearing protection does reduce the risk of both of exposure and general covert infection among health. Care workers And thought about this is not just because of exposure to the id's infectious respiratory droplets landing. On the either to be honest that's going to be negligible in terms of the overall numbers of infection that we see cove nineteen. It's probably more behavioral. When you're wearing the protection you're less likely to just touch your face to bring potentially contaminated hands into contact with your face is or other mucous membranes. Through which you could transmit covid nineteen so even though dot gill is correct enough. There is not a lot of evidence to unity. about the fact that protective efficacy of i wear Do recommend that in situations for individuals cannot Physically distanced from each other. Enclosed contacted community that prediction be helpful warranted in lowering risk although again as stated. We don't have firm evidence discipline. And i just like to qualify that. I understood kevin's question to respond to be referring to wearing protection in the community. And i i completely agree with without care that when we're talking about healthcare workers absolutely they should be protecting their is but does that translate to should. Everybody walked Going on around wearing safety goggles. I think that's That's a bit of a stretch to to recommend that outside of healthcare center. Got an who knows. Maybe the goggles or glasses would help pinch. The top of the mast and keep them from sliding down people's noses could actually wear the properly a good question there from kevin hill. And if you'd like to join the conversation. The number is one eight hundred four. Two three eight two five again. It's one eight hundred four to three talk. Lawrence is in winchester. Go headline what's your. I'm just really curious about when we think that kids can get vaccinated. Because i mean obviously you have the big issue for teachers to get back into school for them to be and all that stuff but i am just usually when when trials gonna start with kids i know that my dern done some with teens but i just i. I was wondering about that about that. One yeah i think we're probably about a year off for for vaccinating younger children so it's gonna be it's on it's in the q. But it's gonna be a while yet and is that just because dr gill when it comes to clinical trials. There's such an emphasis on you know. Sort of just healthy adults and were not. We've been talking about this with pregnant women as well for example right that they were not part of clinical trials. And maybe we didn't fully understand what if any complications that might entail and we don't similarly. We don't understand what the vaccine might mean for children. Yeah i think you raise some interesting points. There generally speaking running trials clinical vaccine trials really any kind of clinical trials but vaccine trials in particular in children is a tends to be more challenging than in adults the case of covid nineteen one of the problems is that that children even when exposed even when infected her so seldom symptomatic compared with adults from a from a sponsors perspective. If they're trying to demonstrate say a reduction in symptomatic covid nineteen disease. It is far more difficult to demonstrate that in- population that tends not to show symptoms. So you would have to enroll many many many times as many subjects. Do that trial and that makes it. It makes it take more time and it in a in addition Y- i think there is a challenge to enrolling a child into a study that tends to reduce the rate with which in which children are enrolled in the first place. Some of that is parental caution. Someone's that is maybe resistance by the children and so you know. Pediatric vaccine studies tend to take longer because it is harder to enroll them Than it is with adults and then if you you know also put on top of that. You do need to enroll twice or three times as many. You have a double problem in terms of how long will it take to run that study so i think those are sort of practical rate limiting factors here. I'd love to get of your takes on some of the news this week about the arrival of the south african variant here in massachusetts. I'm wondering what that means. Because we've seen in some cases that variant is tougher for the vaccines to knock out not entirely ineffective but maybe not quite as effective as the original provoking virus. Strain doctor. i'll start with you. Sure yeah new. It's not welcome news to hear that we've begun to see this in the what case that was identified in massachusetts where at least preliminarily that there is no indication of an individual who is infected with the south african. Very enter be one. Three five one had any history of travel I would say that position more than anything reason to get vaccinated to do everything. Possible to reduce of exposure infection in with the things. We had our disposal including masks distancing on the other things from childhood knock gathering in large groups norse But it is concerning certainly because there is evidence that for some of the vaccines return others less of an effect or at least That the birds have less respect for the bureau protective response me after having these vaccines certainly other vaccines like the astrazeneca which is not yet to the united states but has been evaluated africa appeared to have only minimal affected protecting against at marion People to despair. Are vaccines still work or ex exceeds that we have here absolutely work But we need to ensure that we continue to all his other protective things to protect ourselves and our community And if we continue to do rapid and equitable vaccine rollouts We will hopefully be able to evade. These started to arrive dr gill. I want your ears. Reminding me well sure it can be an and you're reminding me doctrine killers. You're taking some of the different. Dr pierre what you taking off some of the different of vaccines that have been developed. Were still waiting for what we expect will be some emergency use authorization for the johnson and johnson vaccine which was developed locally. It seems to be inching closer. Could even come next week but there have been some snags in production. Dr gillum wondering if you're surprised by that and this is a very experienced pharmaceutical company. I don't know that i am surprised. Because i don't know the details of their development. A plan. So i i don't i don't know what their projected timeline was. And whether therefore there have been some unanticipated delays. I just have no idea. Well then let me just ask you. Then when we do get their swimming we do. How big of a game changer is that because my understanding is that it will be rather convenient compared to some of the other vaccines that have to be refrigerated at extremely low. Temperatures can just go in the regular old bridge. Yeah that is in fact as you put it a game changer. So i completely agree on that point that it provides a much more easily accommodated solution to the vaccination distribution problem. That we're having so when cassandra is talking about the emergence of these new threatening in anxiety provoking variants. The obvious solution to this is that these variants emerged in the setting of widespread uncontrolled transmission of covid nineteen so the best way of not having scary variants. Marriage is to hurry up and vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible So you know. The the emergence of the various is not a reason not to get varied. It's re to get vaccinated. It's it's a reason to get vaccinated as soon as trussell. Got it so good news there at least to end on. We'll have to leave it there. But thank you both. That's dr christopher. Gill is an disease clinician and researcher who focuses on vaccines and the epidemiology of respiratory diseases at boston university. Thank you for your time. Thank you thanks. Also to doctors. Cassandra pierre an infectious disease physician and the associate hospital epidemiologist at boston medical center. Dr pierre thank you thanks to be here.
Introductory Note: Pierre Corneille
"Introductory note pierre cornell was born in ruin in sixteen o six. The son of official was educated by the jesuits and practiced unsuccessfully as a lawyer. His dramatic career began with the comedy of moonlight. But it was by his may day that he i proved his tragic genius. The sid appeared in sixteen thirty six and a series of masterpieces followed. Horace cinna you'd lemon tears. After a failure. In for the right he retired from the stage deeply hurt by the disapproval of his audience. Six years later he resumed play riding with epi and continued till sixteen seventy four producing an awesome thirty plays though he earned a great reputation. He was poorly paid and a proud and sensitive. Nature laid him open to considerable suffering. He died in sixteen eighty four. The works of cornell represent most fully the ideal of french so-called classical tragedy the laws to which this type of tragedy sought to conform. Were not so much truth to nature. As the principles which the critics had derived from a somewhat inadequate interpretation of aristotle and of the practice of the greek tragedian these principles concentrated the interest of the play upon a single central situation in order to emphasize which subordinate characters and complicating under plots were avoided as much as possible. There was little or no action upon the stage and the events of the plot were narrated by messengers or by the main characters in conversation with confidence. Further the dramatic unities of time in place as well as of action were held to be binding. One result of these rules was to give an extraordinary importance to the speeches and it is in the eloquence of these in the grandeur and dignity of diversification and in the lofty moral elevation of the characters that cornell excels all of these qualities are admirably exemplified in pali and in the conduct of the leading personages when may perceive the most persistent trade of this dramatise treatment of heroic character the conquest of the passions by the reason in the will among the masterpieces of the corner says paul de saint victor paul. You'd is assuredly the greatest and nothing in all his dramas equals the extraordinary beauty of the character of pauline.
Episode 53: Sophie And Willa
"Hey everyone it's mic. I just wanted to point something out really quickly of something fun that i'm going to be doing on youtube live on march third. That is the anniversary of the kentucky. Me our which you know is a very special event to me. I wrote a book about it. If you don't know what. I'm talking about It's a really weird of it. I did an episode about it. It's episode thirty two. I think it's called. It's called stranger things. I think it's up thirty. Two strange things. I would have gotten sued for stranger things Anyway i'm gonna do a youtube live reading and hang out. It'll be on march third. So this'll be the second year that we've done a live event around it online It'll be at seven pm eastern standard time. And i've got the link on the news section of the website the past and the curious dot com and i'll post it on social media. I don't have facebook long story anyway. let's do. This is welcome to episode fifty three of the past and the curious. My name is mix ullivan and this my thing you know. This episode is about sophie blanchard and willa brown to women who made history in the air. Some some great stuff. I'm really glad to hear out there. I love making the show. And i keep hearing from people that they wished that i could make it faster and believe you me. I wish that were true too. But i've got a job in a family and it's a lot of work to create so for the most part. I do the writing and editing and most of the reading all that takes time. So i thank you for bearing with me in the usually month between the shows but speaking of reading. I do have some guests reading this month. My friend lindi prickett sent her voice to me all the way from india. She and her daughter host a great show called newsy jacuzzi. I'm a big fan. I recommend it especially if you're looking for a kid centered current events show. That'll be lindy's voice. You hear on the story about sophie. Bland chart now also lending her voice to the story about will brown and actually voicing willa brown on a letter to eleanor. Roosevelt is edison smith from the all. Things madison podcast. A new kids. Listen friend that we've made so let's get started. It's never a good thing to wake up with icicles on your nose especially when you're alone in the basket of balloon but here was sophie. Blonde chard cold a little confused but luckily uh live and still dangling safely. Above the jagged earth ballooning at night was a favorite way to travel for her but perhaps crossing the alps was not her wisest decision. There was a good chance he might never have woken up after passing out from the combination of cold temperatures and low oxygen at the high altitude. The journey required. But if we're being honest it was her bravery and airborne grace that were celebrated. She was not well known for her safe decisions. Of course. this is the attitude. Typical of daredevil and sophie was the most famous daredevil in nineteenth century france perhaps more remarkable than her airborne antics is the way she was unfailingly adored by everyone. Despite france suffering through decades of frightening political chaos she witnessed and survived the french revolution a time. When so many others lost their heads to the guillotine. After the heads of louis the sixteenth anne marie antoinette fell victim to this sharp new device a man with no noble blood but firmly attached head wound up in charge he was known as emperor napoleon bonaparte and he was a huge fan of sophie's 'aeronautics years later france was in turmoil again and he was exiled sent away to make room for a new head on which to rest. The crown. the royal family was reinstalled on the throne and luckily the new monarch king louis. The eighteenth was as fun as sophie as everyone else had been as the country dramatically changed. She was a constant a point of pride and a woman of wonder. She didn't start out as wonder woman though she started out as a nervous girl. It said that she was not only painfully shy. But also afraid of nearly everything she'd encounter in public as a kid. She was terrified of huge horses and bouncing carts clog the cobbled streets really grew out of it sudden loud noises. Kurt jump even reduced to tears. A simple trip to the market could leave her in a poor state. On account of the overwhelming amount of frightening things she encountered. She was small tiny in fact and as a young woman. No one would have predicted the big things. She would do or the heights to which she would soar. She married a man named john. Pierre blanchard john pierre was famous he was also terrible businessman and pretty full of himself but he was the leading aaronow of the day which is what they call balloonists. At the time he had done a lot of things with his hydrogen balloon including flying across the english channel from england france. This was the first international flight but somewhere over the salty water he and his co-pilot realized they had too much weight in the basket. The men had to throw everything they brought with them over the side even their clothes so some of his fame may have stemmed from the fact that he flew into france in his underwear. His accomplishments were greater than that. But that's a tough one to live down in eighteen o four. He took twenty five year olds sophie for her first flight to the people who knew her. It was an absolute wonder that she'd said yes. If a horse and carriage horrified her to no end a basket dangling from a balloon high above the ground seemed even more horrifying but she didn't bat an eye and what she found in the air was peace. Quiet anna thrilling new perspective on the world. She was hooked and soon after they made a second trip to the clouds above france the third time. She made an ascent she was alone. Sophie blanchard became the first woman to make a solo flight in a balloon. Jean-pierre made his money by flying balloons for events or having people pay to join him in. The air balloon was popular in france but though he was the best he had plenty of competition. The competition cut into his prophet. To make matters worse he was terrible with money and owed plenty of it to other people. He and sophie realized a young woman daring enough to take to the clouds. Might attract some attention and money so she joined him making balloons the family business but there were highs and lows. One crash left jean-pierre unconscious and sophie and such shocked that she was unable to speak for weeks they recovered and undaunted they returned to the skies. But not long after that. Jean pierre had a heart attack while they dangled from the balloon. He die soon after leaving sophie in terrible debt. Thanks to his mismanage money. He didn't have much hope for her prospects as he was on his deathbed but while she would miss him. She knew she'd probably be better at the business side of things than he was turns out she was better at the ballooning to in a short amount of time she'd flown enough lights been hired enough times and was smart enough with her spending that she paid off all the debts. Jean-pierre had left from that point on it was life in the clouds for her. Oftentimes she would take to the skies in the beautiful balloon wearing a white dress and a white hat adorned with white ostrich feathers from the ground. She looked like an angel and her fame grew. Napoleon adored her and everything she represented. She embodied all the glory of france so he hired her as the official balloonist festivals. One day in eighteen eleven thousands of papers flapped and fluttered as they rain down from the sky above paris. Napoleon had been so excited about the birth of his son that he'd hired sophie to drop the leaflets from her balloon announcing the arrival of napoleon francois joseph charles bonaparte one of sophie's advantages as a balloonist and one that helped her save. Money was her diminutive size. The first balloons in france were made by montgolfier brothers. And we're lifted by hot air. Sophie's balloon was lifted by hydrogen. Hydrogen is the lightest element on the periodic table. Its gaseous and lighter than air so when she filled her balloon with it. The balloon would lift into the skies. Hydrogen wasn't cheap in the eighteen eighties though but sophie was able to use less of it than her aeronautics because she needed less of it to get her balloon and herself up in the air this also helped her on long distance flights for which her international fame grew. You may have heard of the famous german zeppelin airship or blimp from the nineteen. Hundreds known as the hindenburg. If you've heard of it you might recall the disaster that brought it crashing down from the skies over america like sophie's balloon it was filled with hydrogen and while it is lifting light. Hydrogen is also very very flammable. Remember how maybe sophie wasn't regarded so much for her wise decisions as she was her daring acts. Well one of the axe. She dared to do involved an early version of fireworks which she would light from the basket of her hydrogen balloon. Do you see where we're going with. This hit must've been quite a sight. Any of the dozens of times. She successfully dropped fireworks on little parachutes and waved wan's of hollered flames from her basket. But it only takes one mistake for everything to come to a dramatic conclusion on july sixth eighteen. Nineteen her balloon caught fire in mid air. At first people thought it was part of the show in the balloon. Sophie had every reason to panic but she kept her head and for a few tents minutes. It looked like she might have been able to save herself unfortunately during her hasty descend the top of building upset. The basket of her balloon and sent her falling. Death is always a possibility for dare. Devils and sophie was no different. She fell to the street and her city and country immediately more enter though she had inherited the family balloon business and a mountain of debt. She died a wealthy woman. Having no family the will she had made gave her fortune to the young daughter of a friend. It was quite a gift that it was nothing. Compared to the gift she gave not just to france and not just to the growing field of aeronautics but to women everywhere who knew they belonged anywhere they wanted to be even in the clouds. Okay it's time for you have thirty seconds. And this month we're welcoming kanoute from duluth minnesota hollow. My name is canoe the ninety seven year. Old delusion zoo started as a game post. During construction plans were changed. Bears were acquired them when they wandered into town. Zoos most famous resident was named mr magoo. Big oops john f. kennedy. Pardon mr loops in two thousand twelve. Tragic foot killed multiple animals a and and freed a tiger. That was recaptured in downtown. Thanks new. I love a good zoo story. What's not to love about that. that's awesome. Thank you for sharing that and if you have something to share you have thirty seconds to share it with us. All you need is a phone or something to record it with and you can email it to us. There's instructions on our website. Can't wait to hear what you have to share with and i. it's a quiz about things that fly. What else would you expect here. It is number one in seventeen eighty three the montgolfier brothers launched the first hot air balloon flight with living creatures aboard in total. There were three living beings in this basket. Can you name any or all. Three of these creatures in the history-making balloon. The flight was tethered. Meaning the balloon was tied to the ground so it couldn't float away and they could get it back easily which is good because some of the creatures aboard might not have been able to get back down on their own though. It was tethered. Only a few of these critters wear feathered inside where a rooster a duck and a sheep. The sheep was believed to be close enough to the form of a human that it might give a good idea of. What would happen to a person flight which they didn't really know the flight was requested. By king. louis. Sixteenth marie antoinette was also there to see and by the way no animals were harmed in the making of this story they all made it back safe and sound question number two of course. The wright brothers are remembered as pioneers in the development of airplanes when they made their first historic flight at kitty hawk in north carolina. Their airplane could only hold one of the brothers. How did they decide who would be the first one to fly. In two thousand and one the united states met released the north carolina state quarter featuring the wright brothers historic moment on the obverse or the back side of the coin appropriate because flipping. A coin is how they decided who would get to make history. Older brother orville won the coin toss crashed the plane after they fixed it. He tried again three days later. And this time. He had his successful flight history-making plight afterwards. His brother got a chance to fly while they took turns several times so orville was first. Wilbur did fly farther which gave them both something to antagonize each other about which is something that brothers would probably do okay. Question number three in two thousand and twelve a football quarterback named joe a ube set the world record poor distance flown by a paper airplane. The plane was designed and folded by john collins. I don't expect that anyone will get this exactly. But if you're listening with someone else well maybe have everyone wager. A guess and see who gets the closest. How long was the farthest paper airplane flight. Sometimes i wonder if people like press pause in between these questions to talk about it if you do let me know anyway. Here's the answer. The record-setting paper airplane flight took place at mcclellan air force base inside of a hanger so that they could cut down on wind and other interference and the result was a flight of two hundred and twenty six feet. Antennas before the united states air force ever existed. There was the us army air corps or the afc for short and at its inception. All of the american pilots would fly for the were white in the years before world. War two aviation and america was wildly exciting. Thanks to people like charles. Lindbergh and amelia earhart large numbers of young would-be pilots were inspired to learn to fly and their landing place was typically in army jobs black americans in the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties and their dreams of flight but the path wasn't so clearly laid out and while lindbergh erhard might have been front page news. There were plenty of other inspirational figures including some remarkable airborne. Black americans who didn't get the same notoriety at least not in the white newspapers of the day. Eugene bullard was born in georgia but left for europe to avoid the racism of the south in the early nineteen hundreds learning to fly in france. He became one of the most decorated fighter pilots of world war one while flying for the french air force. His legend in america grew thanks to some good friends including louis armstrong. And of course. Bessie coleman would be the first black woman to earn a pilot's license but she like bullard had to go to france to earn that license. The difference of courses that bessie came back to america and was a star of the barnstorming shows. She was a celebrity and her sudden-death was a sad shock to many people who admired her. One of those people was willa brown. Willa was born in bowling green kentucky and nineteen o six like much of america. Bowling green was largely segregated at this time. Meaning black citizens and white citizens were not allowed equal access to most things. Education was one of those things and education was very important to willis family. When they moved to terre haute indiana. She attended one of the best schools in the area and uncelebrated school with white and black students. Learning together upon graduating high school she immediately went to college for what was called business professional school. This trained young women for jobs that would have board. Will it to tears so she became a teacher instead for many years. She taught high school and gary indiana. She pushed her students found funding for new equipment like typewriters and got the kids placed in the community to learn from professionals and set them up for future employment and it was around this time that she fell in love. With bessie coleman story which by the way we have featured on past episode of the past on the curious besties march toward conquering the skies had begun in chicago and this was not far from gary. Indiana will applied for a master's degree program at northwestern university in chicago and one day while earning some extra money as a cashier. She met a young black man named cornelius coffey. Who casually mentioned that he was a pilot not just that he was a certified airplane mechanic and was licensed to recruit new pilots for the growing field of flight. So willa made sure to see him again. In fact many years later they'd get married but before that she'd learned everything there was to know about the inside of an airplane engine and after that she asked to learn how to fly a major problem developed though as cornelius the flight trainer and his business partner had a difficult time finding an airport that would rent planes to black trainees or even allow them on site through connections. They found some community support and opened their own hangar. The challengers aero-club this would allow them to reach out to new black recruits and get them into the skies meanwhile will set her own goals and reach them one by one in nineteen thirty five. She became a licensed airplane mechanic in nineteen thirty eight. She earned a private pilot's license and in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty nine a commercial pilot's license. Bessie coleman had been the first black woman with a private licence but remember she had to go to france to earn it. Willa was the first black american woman to earn a pilot's license in the united states while working closely with cornelius coffee. They grew the little challenges aero into a national organization. She did everything she taught flying. She kept books. She did repairs. She even kept the lunch counter in the hangar. Anything to help the bottom line before long the coffee. School of aeronautics and co founded the national airmen's association of america of course in one thousand nine thirty nine. The world's attention was on europe. America was still years away from joining world war two. But that didn't mean the country wasn't getting ready if they entered the war. They need more pilots than they had. Some of america's pilots would fly as fighters some would fly transportation flights or haul freight and some of. These wouldn't come back. If america joined the war. There'd be practically no one left apply in the states. Plus there would be a need for more pilots overseas to boot so the. Us government approved millions of dollars to fund training programs across the country to teach new pilots. Willa fought for the coffee school to be one of those training sites just like her high school student body. The coffee school trainees. They are were on segregated. That was something we'll have felt strongly about but the government denied the coffee school. Willa did not give up and many from chicago's powerful black community b-actor as the president of the national airmen's association of america. She was well known and she never backed down. Many of her trainees remember a teacher who would not accept a mediocre job. Failure just simply was not an option for willa and this applies to herself as well. She wrote a letter to first lady. Eleanor roosevelt explaining what an important role black pilots could play in the war effort and she knew that they would be needed. She knew that they were capable and she knew that once they were successful their success would extend in many directions for generations to come during the past few years. I've devoted full time to aviation and for the most part. Progress has been made. I have however encountered several difficulties. Several of them have handled very well in some have been far too great for me to master. I would like to talk to you sometime if you can spare a few minutes when you're passing the chicago or if it will please you better sometime when your home in washington. I come in an hour washington quite often. You may rest assured any turn spit in the inches of my aviation associations will be well. Appreciated sincerely yours. Villa be brown up until this point will is recruits and trains. Were working for the civil air patrol a federal organization that handled certain flights over america. They could collect and deliver materials for war effort but they were not are fighter pilots. Despite this these civilians were ready to protect citizens if the war in europe were to somehow wind up on american soil but much of that changed with the tuskegee airmen and willa is often credited as being one of the big reasons the tuskegee airman ever came into existence. Thanks to her lobbying. As well as efforts from leaders of the nwa p. And a man named william hastie junior. Who happened to be the first african american federal judge the army decided to found a squadron of black. Us army fighter pilots. They became known as the tuskegee airmen and today they are famous for their efforts both in world war two and for what they represent and civil rights two hundred of the earliest tuskegee pilots were recruited by and trained with willa and cornelius at the coffee. School of aviation and nineteen forty-six after the war she ran for congress on a platform of equal access to resources for all people. She didn't win and when she ran again for years later in nineteen fifty she lost however she was the very first african american woman to run for congress in the united states which was yet another remarkable note on her biography. After this and after the coffee school closed. Willa showed no signs of stopping. She returned to her first job teaching high school which she did for decades in chicago including developing an aviation program for her students. Don't wonder it must have been for a student to learn who she was and what she accomplished in her lifetime. She died at the age of eighty six in one thousand nine hundred ninety two and is buried in lincoln cemetery the very same cemetery in which bessie coleman rests when she was a young woman. Just learning to fly willa for an annual event to celebrate. Bessie coleman people gathered at her grave while planes flown by black pilots flew overhead in tribute to her pioneering efforts. It went on for years. Note stopped for a while. It was rebooted nearly forty years ago and it still goes on today at the end of april in every year and it is sponsored by the chicago. Chapter of the tuskegee airman now will gets to share the honor alongside her hero. Bessie so so so the cobblestone class solve small suspends. Her left the ground offer saw late at night. She made with only the guy so so so high in the cobblestones. Dietl the small. Oh chanting way dog. His brown was restored and throwing down ribbons of fire. Sofi rose even higher cobblestone quietly. F- me oh spends students chanting cindy in a mall. Show sofi came tumbling little wendy eastern shaw you. They all spit jail up to start your dad down. His don't assume is similar. I told him soon as you could. Cobblestones kaleida small. Talk served a suspense holy cow. I love that song That is by a band named red moon road and they're from canada and it's the first time i heard that song. I fell in love and sent them an email. And i said hey i'm willing to use it for the show. I think it would be a perfect fit and they were super excited to have it included so thank you to them and i encourage you to check them out. That song is called topi blanchard. Seventeen seventy eight official aeronautic of the empire and restoration and what a great job at does telling her story and what great musicians they are. Okay well we also have a lot of patriots on people to thank so let me first. Start with lilia in minneapolis. I heard that you a. We're going to read the roosevelt letters to his children for president's day curious to know how you enjoyed those lilia. Thank you for listening. I'm so glad you're out there the You all are going to get a song next month. But i wanted to say hey this month. So it'd be looking forward to that Mild friend jenny cole. And cactus jack out there. Thanks for re re donating. You know do anything. I appreciate it. I'm so glad means a lot Ben nicholas elizabeth in silver spring maryland. Bid nicholas introduce yes. I also got something. Cool from luke an errand. They actually sent me a video of them performing with guitar and everything the quiz time theme song which was awesome. Thank you all for sharing. That is really loves the banjo and mandolin stuff. Also understand that. He really loves the hotdog episode. Which hey the great episode. That's one of my favorite ones. Do so glad you're out there. Thank you for sending the video a super cool andrew. Andrew andrew matt met andrew and matt lang. Hello out there. I'm so glad that you have joined I also need the thank lindy from newsy jacuzzi madison from all things madison And i have a birthday. Shout out. That i'm going to do here the but i just wanted note. You hear the song all the time. This song is a is a performance by ban that i'm called sweet spot but the song is called armone does rumba and it is by a musician named chick corea who just happened to pass away about a week ago or two weeks ago from the time of this recording so in january or february of twenty month of february of twenty twenty one and He's a he's a really important person to me. And i just wanted to point that out. Some people might be curious about that. Song is somebody who has been in the news recently Okay so we have one more thing. We have a birthday. I need a shout out henry. Eaten it is happy birthday from me and everyone thank you for listening so glad you're out there. We'll be back next monday with more on. My name is mixed ullivan and oh also thanks to read moon road. Yeah awesome appreciate your help. My name is mctelvin. This has been the passing of curious be nice.
The Hi-Fi Murders /// Part 2 /// 403
"Welcome to true crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing. Thanks for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always is a man with more stands than Eminem, he is the CAP. I like to call them first mates. It's good to be seen, and it's good to see you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. Today, we got some up high in the fridge by the terrapin beer company. This is a beautifully crafted. CITRA hopped India. Pale Ale, ABC five point, nine percent garage, grave, three and three quarter bottle caps out of five whether it's camping or surfing, you can bring some up high with you. We brought ours to the garage and here's some big garage. Thanks and cheers to our friends first up. We have Kimberly and Herndon Virginia and we have Mandy and Greenville North Carolina and a big salad to carry in Port Townsend Washington next up. WE HAVE BRENDA BE AN ONEONTA NEW YORK. York big. We like to Megan in Peoria. Illinois, and here's a cheers to Abigail north in New Hampshire and last, but of course certainly not least we have caribe and Lexington Kentucky everyone we just mentioned went to our website, and contributed to this week Spear Fund, and for that our hats go off to you and we're going to have a special garage sale for mailing list members only so make sure you go and sign up on the mailing list that is enough of the business all right. Everybody gathered around. Grab a chair. Grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. All right captain, so we have three individuals in custody which detectives believe may have been involved in the hi, fi store, robbery and murders. Those three men are Dale Pierre William, Andrews and Keith Roberts all living at the nearby hill air force base at two of them. They apprehended right, and then one of them turned themselves in according to the paper's Keith Roberts turned himself in. We don't know the details of that. Sometimes they issue an official statement looking for someone, and then that person turns themselves in because they feel like they have no other recourse, but. That's what the paper state regardless of how it all came about. It's time to get some more evidence in addition to what they currently have, which is witness statements and don't forget about the personal items of the victims that belong to the victims that were found in a dumpster at the barracks where the men live to be clear, though just because those items were found in that dumpster. Does not directly tie any three of these men to the crime itself by wonder at the scene. Do having fingerprints. Have DNA. We know that there was. a rape that took place correct, so it's it's nineteen seventy four. Who knows if they collected DNA or not at the time? But to further that we do have an I was gonna Kinda. Save this for later in the game, but there is a statement from one of the victims that the perpetrators of this robbery were wearing gloves at the time, right? But what we will have, and this is going to be significant. We have a search warrant. It is issued for the barracks where all three of the men lived. there. Police found fliers for the hi Fi shop you know like. Flyers and advertisements for merchandise at the store. But what is truly going to seal the deal? When it came to bringing up actual murder charges, robbery charges against these guys. It was during this search that law enforcement found a rental contract for a unit at a local storage facility. It's my understanding that not only is this found in their possession, but at least one of the men signed the actual contract, so the storage unit was being rented by them one. This unit was pretty close to the HI FI store. So what this is going to be here is going to be another quick phone call, get another search warrant, but this time for the storage unit. So following the issuance of Said, warrant. A boatload or should I say to vanloads? Amount of stereo equipment was located inside this storage. Very, soon later, using the serial numbers on the merchandise, it was confirmed that all of it came from the store and was stolen on the night of the murders. Also recovered from the storage unit was a half empty bottle of drain Oh. Yeah, that's. Horrifying won't because we know the details? With the collection of this evidence, these young men were charged with murder and aggravated robbery. Some interesting things here captain, some of the reports say that the police believed that more individuals were involved in the robbery. Slash theft of these items. But these three men. All of them. Airmen in the air force living at the nearby hill air base were the only persons. Ever arrested and charged in this case. Yes I mean it's confusing one that. These individuals would sign up to serve and protect. Our freedoms. and then they go off into. A crime like this. And commit murders like this. And he have I witnesses that place two vehicles at the scene. So. Is it possible that please believe that these crimes happen? And maybe just two men are responsible for the attacks and the murders. Why there's another set of guys that were also stealing stuff. Yeah, and I think will will tear through that as we go along here because that's what this second half will be is really a deep dive into the details of the crime itself. Who did what and possibly even why and you reference you know why these guys with sign up for to protect our freedoms of this great country. And then carry out these horrific murders and I'm not saying that this. In fact applies here I. Don't know it to be the case one way or another, so I wanna please do not hear what I'm not saying. What what right but one thing you know and I get I get these great emails from so many great people out there and they say nick. Why are you constantly referencing old cases that you guys have covered or other cases that you have some knowledge of and it's for the fact that detectives FBI investigating agencies one thing that they do is they rely on their experiences and past studies from criminal behavior, and they apply it to their current investigations so. So? That's why we constantly do that here in the garage. It's a true crime discussion. We're talking true crime. My comment on why these guys would sign up to protect us, and then they carried out these crimes again I. Don't know to be the case here, but one thing I know about a lot of older cases, especially from the sixties and seventies when you see young individuals, young men that are eighteen nineteen twenty years old, and they're committing these terrible crimes, and they were in the army, or the navy and people were going. How did the army not catch this guy? You know the he some. Killing Lunatic. How did they let this guy sign up for the navy or for the army? I found in a lot of cases. That! You could go before a judge when you were seventeen years old in you committed a minor offence and part of your defense to get a a lesser sentence or to get a light slap on the wrist was to say my intentions are right after high school I'm signing up for the Army I'm signing signing up for the navy. It's it's no question that everybody receives discipline by going in signing up for and. And serving right you, you become more mature, wiser and discipline and a lot of times judges see that as a way of you know, we are or should be first and foremost in the position of wanting to rehabilitate offenders that can be rehabilitated and so I. Don't mind that method so much. I don't know that it happened here, but it brings up. The good question of did it. I think more important is. And I had a little hard time figuring this out. The higher number, most reports say the police at some point thought maybe five or even six people total. Were believed to have been involved in the commission of these crimes. While thinking about you get to vans, you have drivers in each van, and then you have to individuals taking stuff. that'd be a total of six right and I think a lot of this stems from another story came out that it is believed the involved the three individuals that are currently in custody in this. Hi, fi case. They along with three other males went into a different stereo shop and another town near closing time, and the owner says he believed. The six of these men were behaving strangely and I don't know if there was a confrontation, but there was no robbery. There was no attack that went down right, and so my thought is maybe the this story. Really just kind of went with police going well. Think about it, too. It's nine hundred seventy four. The size of stereo equipment is much different in seventy four than it is today, it's huge and very likely. They used both of those vans that were seen at the scene to transport all of this stereo equipment that they had. They had to rent a storage facility to store there. This was like twenty four to twenty five thousand dollars worth of Stereo Equipment Yeah well! Maybe when they went to this other location if they did. And depending on how this store owner reacted, or how many employees? How many employees were there at the time? It might deter them from trying to commit the crime that night. The thing that I think is troubling to say for certain if there were five or six individuals involved the three that they have in custody. It's my understanding that none of them confessed to anything. They had to take them to trial and try each one of these individuals and see if they can convict them, so it's not like a situation where we have people rolling over on one another. And then other people to to lessen their sentence. Let's say why I think I. Do believe that the the driver turned on the other to. A little bit. But because he was inside the building. I don't think there was much. A ton of evidence that he could give them well if he never entered the building other than the two offenders telling him what they did, he would have no information to offer up as to what happened inside the building or specifically in that basement. Anyway right, but what we do know this is really interesting. There were some further findings here in this case, and these are very specific. Specific so it was eventually learned that Pierre and Andrews that they got the idea of making the hostage drink drain Oh from a scene in a movie. The movie was called Magnum Force and it was the sequel to the movie dirty Harry. The movie dirty Harry has its own ties to true crime as many people out there know as the psychopathic killer and the movie known as Scorpio. Well, the movie drew upon the real life case of the Zodiac killer in some of the creation of ideas for that movie that the go ahead punk. Make my day. I believe it is yes okay. If anybody wants a cast me and role. They can just good true crime garage dot com, and email me in the first, so this would be the first magnum force was the first of several sequels. The movie Magnum Force. There is a scene. A woman is forced to drink drain. Oh and in that scene she immediately dies. So Pierre and Andrews. Apparently thought that it would be a good way to kill any of their likely hostages. It would be quick. It would be silent. It would be a good method if they had to kill somebody in the commission of this robbery. However Magnum Force is a movie. And not real life, drain for those that do not know is an industrial strength drain cleaner used primarily for unclogging drains. When the victims were forced to drink this their mouth and throat. Began to burn very very badly almost instantly. The. Victims therefore screamed in pain. This made the assailants attempt to tape the hostages. Mouths shut to silence the victims, however this again because of the drain. Oh would not work either. This is because the drain. Oh, almost immediately caused blistering and blisters to form in the malls in the throats of the their lips and skin around their mouths. Began to peel off. For the, but these guys didn't brain drain with them. That's another argument. Wise argument. Because because if they brought it with them, that would show premeditation. Correct. So. When when all of this is occurring? Not? Only do we have like skin that's peeling off, but we also have posits oozing from the blisters, and all of this then makes it impossible for the assailants to tape the victims, mouths, shut or to silence them in this manner. Again like I said it looks like they didn't roll on one another or anyone else. The question then becomes if there was anyone else involved, did the police. Do they never discover the identity of these people never know the names, or did they? Was it a situation where they had an idea of who? But couldn't get the evidence to match. Heck. It's difficult to say if he roberts was even offered a deal to talk or testify against anyone specifically. Andrews Pierre. because. That's who might be willing to deal. Who You you know. Law enforcement might be willing to deal with. Out of the three in custody. Now, in regards to two of the three arrested I, do know from newspaper reports that William Andrews said he was seeking a public defender. and Pierre said he already had council because he had been charged with auto theft a few months earlier, and because of that charge he already had an attorney. Fighting for him in that charge. So. Let's get to the trial here, Captain. Jury, selection began in the fall of nineteen, seventy four FARMINGTON. Notice. We didn't say Ogden right and FARMINGTON. They moved the trial from Ogden because of all of the publicity. This would end up being one of the fastest turnarounds I can recall, but you have to keep in mind back then when you had a really horrible crime. That really just devastates everyone, right? They move fast. They move a little bit faster so which I think. Maybe we could learn something from. I think that's something we could. Do Better. And the justice system now I think both ways. You know what I mean like I feel like back then specifically, this case moved along a little too fast for my liking. Okay, but I also see some cases nowadays. That seemed to drag on way too long for my liking. Okay so. When you have a really horrible crime, you know we said devastates everyone. This crime captain to say that this devastated Ogden is a huge huge understatement. This was a shock to everyone of course on the local level at the state level and nationally. And when this happens, we're talking about. Things how they may have worked in nineteen, seventy four. They are ready to go to trial. As soon as the prosecutor says, we've built a case and we're ready to proceed. It also helps from a discovery and evidentiary standpoint. There was only one event right. There was only one event here. That encompasses everything all. In contrast to something the golden state killer. WHO's also known? His ears are on the original night stalker case I there are so many different events. That Win Joseph James Dangelo was arrested back in April of two thousand eighteen. Here we are two years later and still waiting on the trial. and. That's what I mean it's. It's a bit of a pincer right when you have a case like that when you have this old dude, who will not admit to anything that he did, and he's one of the worst people ever to walk this planet. It's hard to call him a person. Yeah, but if he is truly absolute animal guilty of all the things he's being accused of. The real kick in the nuts here for the public is. This guy won't admit to anything he doesn't want to. He clearly doesn't want to be convicted of anything. He's not like bt K where bt K. comes out, and he's almost proud of his killings and says this is what I did, and this is how I did know this guy is sit down. Let me tell you a story. This guy is fully ready to die and not give his victims that are still alive. Many of victims that are still alive that. Little piece of some kind of closure, or he's a real piece of shit. Now I will say in the defense of the court system out there in California that I do believe that cove nineteen has affected. The start date for that trial because I remember reading in January of Twenty twenty. That the judge was saying? Look. Defense team for Diangelo. Angelo you've you've dragged this. Sing out long enough. We're going to bring this to trial. And I think he put a date on on the end of April twenty twenty, and of course we know the the whole world changed between January and April of this year as been. Though worst year. I think I've been alive. Yeah I mean it's been a very tough year number one. I heard a joke the the other day which. I found to be one kinda funny, but also kind of smart that said the two the two smartest Americans. In the world left the world. Took off into outer space. But. So I guess if you really want to compare this to a to a more modern day case, I would compare it to the Cheshire murders which we covered back. In Halloween of two thousand seventeen up episodes, one, fifty, four, one, fifty, five, it was a home invasion, and the murders took place in June of two thousand, seven in the trials didn't go down, until was in September of two thousand and ten, and the other was the following year in September of two thousand eleven. That was the case where the the husband was in the basement with he was asleep on the couch. They knocked him out tied him up in the basement. Case Mir's the hi, fi murders case quite a bit when you think about it right because you had the the dad in this situation, the hi-fi murderers. Get loose and try to get to help. Yeah and both of them. You have the perpetrators from from what we can do. What we can deduce from both of these crimes is it appears that both sets a perpetrators understood that there were going to be people inside. The one the residents one inside the shop that they were going to have to control and do something with or two. While they rob the joint so that for me is very similar cases, and of course that case. They were seeking capital punishment. Those were capital punishment trials, and that's what we would see in the hi, fi murders as well so this is going to be a joint trial, which I'm not a I'm not a real big fan of I i. really feel like a hate him. I really feel like everybody should be tried kind of individually because i. think that there are. There are some people that are more guilty than others in the commission of some of these crimes. Especially when we're talking about murders, would and we're talking about the death penalty cases. And I almost feel like some of the lesser guilty. Maybe they are guilty, but the lesser guilty people get lumped in with the more guilty, and that doesn't seem to be fair to this garage. Idiot, why, because in this case we have multiple crimes right we have. Theft we have. We have taken over the building, so we have hostages. We have again. We have three individuals. Not all three are involved in all those we have the rape. And then we have the attempted murders and the murders. Right and you have to separate. Who did what and when? And then, and how responsible is. For what they did themselves or what they were a part of you know just being there, right? So for my understanding here, captain, we have a again a joint trial. All three Pierre, Andrews and Roberts are charged with first degree, murder and robbery. The the trial began on October. Fifteenth Nineteen seventy-four. During the trial. It was revealed that Pierre and Anders had robbed the store with the intention of killing anyone. They came across survivor, or in Walker was the star witness for the prosecution. Or an took the stand and told the jury how Pierre and Andrews Pierre Actively was determined to kill everyone in the store. His testimony was by far and away the most damning to all of the defendants Pierre and Andrews especially here we have a guy that suffered and somehow survived an attack that he can give first hand knowledge of and recount the murders of three and. And injuries and how they happened to himself, and Courtney Nisbet Wall and the torture took place. Yeah, the thing here, Captain. That is going to be a real real bad problem for Pierre and Andrews one is the fact that that we have the testimony from Oran that Michelle bagged and begged and begged for her life that she pled pleaded with them not to kill her. This is after she was brutally raped. We also have the fact that all said all of the victims that are tied up saying. Hey, just take anything you want, but don't kill us. Please don't kill us. You can take anything you want. So what what this is pointing out? We are not talking about a robbery where any one of the victims is going. It's giving any type of resistance at all right. None of these victims are making anything more difficult for these robbers. They're compliant. It's like you've said in many cases if the intent was just to steal the stereo equipment. You had no resistance so obviously out of done that that wasn't your intent. Because you murdered these individuals and tortured, these individuals, and it's reminiscent of what we talked about a few weeks ago right with Paul John Paul's an individual who was robbing people stealing their vehicles, sometimes stealing their identities, taking their money their personal possessions. It appears that very few of his murder victims, and it's believed that he killed a lot of people. 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Our listeners even get ten percent off your first month with Discount Code Garage. So why not get started today? Go to better dot com slash garage than simply fill out a questionnaire to help them. Assess your needs and get match with a counselor. You'll love. That's better help. Dot Com slash garage and use our discount code garage to get ten percent off your first month again. That's better help. Dot Com slash garage. Welcome back, cheers, mates, cheers to you captain so before the break we were talking about the problems. The damning testimony coming from Oran Walker, telling everybody. Hey, this is what went down during the commission of these crimes. This is how these people were killed in by whom. We also. Have further testimony from warned that we didn't get to. And this is GonNa be very troubling especially for Pierre because. Orrin is on the stand and he's saying look. Pierre returned to me twice to make sure that I was dead right and when he still found me alive the first time he strangled with a cord. Then, he leaves again and then the next time he returns with a flashlight. To assist him in taking my pulse to see if I have a pulse. And when he discovers that I do have one I'm still alive. Peer once again tries his best to end my life by jamming a pen into my ear, and kicking it and stomping on it. Until? For those details did it broke through? And we know that it went through into orange throat and my mind captain. No doubt Pierre thought that the pen busted through into the brain right and it was only then that he thought the deed was done. And did not feel the need anymore to check the man for a pulse. So as really the. Testimony of this survivor of this this victim. That is going to help. Seal the deal here now due to his amnesia. Suffered from the many many injuries. that. Were part of the commission of these murders and Robbery Byron Courtney Nesbitt was unable to testify got. You know he he does have memories of the crimes, but during the trial itself he was unable to testify. Yeah, just one month after the start of the trial. This is on November sixteenth. Pierre and Andrews were convicted of all charges. And Roberts. The third man was of only robbery. Four days later Pierre and Andrews were sentenced to death. Let's go back to that for a minute. Because the driver would, they were able to find out as that. Yes, he drove the vehicle there, but he never went inside, so he not only did he not witness what happened? So he wouldn't have been able to stop it. because. He didn't witness it, but I think they even told him what they did. When they laughed, so he didn't even have knowledge of of those crimes well and according to our two surviving victims. What their statements have always been is they believe that the majority or all? Of the merchandise that was stolen from the store. was removed before anybody was killed, right? So. Roberts was sentenced to five years to life five years to life imprisonment for his. His involvement in these crimes, the other thing here that I wanna point out captain is. A really tricky detail and all this. The men that committed these crimes were they're not idiots. Right, these are these are relatively intelligent men. Their acts in in criminal behavior is is disgusting but. One thing that I've always had trouble with this especially with peer with this individual peer, or they're capable of being in the air force. They broke into the hi Fi shop shortly before it closed. We didn't have to have any victims as what I keep returning to. Yeah, you could have. Their relatively intelligent individuals they could've. They could've easily anyone you know. Even us to garage. Idiots could go. You know what it might be better for us to break into the Stereo. Store. After, the close or holiday I'm looking around look around garage. We could use a new stereo too sane, but but no, no, I Almost like Pierre used this. As like I can get some people to come along with me. To help me still some stereo equipment, but that's not what I'm doing this for. Actually doing it because I wanNA kill somebody dumb, actually doing it because I want to rape somebody to me. It feels like a double whammy situation. You know the. I, think he wanted to do more than just rob the place like you said right now. The Hi, fi murders are still regarded as one of the worst criminal acts ever committed in the State of Utah the FBI Academy. At Quantico actually teaches trainees about the case, specifically the story of the detective in front of the crowd, removing pieces. Of articles you know the the hearses the wallet. Personal items from the victim removing those in front of the crowd. In, nineteen eighty to a book by Gary Kinder-. Titled Victim The other side of murder was released. Originally kinder- was going to write a an in cold blood style book. That would focus on Dale. Selby, Pierre the murderer. Kinder- exchange over two hundred letters with the convicted killer, and even visited him several times at the Utah State Prison. PR turned on kinder- In nineteen eighty. When kinder- refused to sign over ten percent of the book's proceeds to Pierre Looks like Pierre thought he could capitalize on the murders, even from behind prison walls this prompted kinder- to change directions completely and focus on the victim on one of the Victims Courtney Nesbitt and the effect. HI-FI murders had on him and his family. Kinder's set up a trust for Courtney based on a percentage of the book and Film Rights. And, the case became the basis for the Nineteen ninety-one CBS TV movie titled Aftermath a test of Love One. They're going to talk about the whole drain. No situation as well whether they brought it or not, and what I believe that peer claims is that when he was using the restroom, he saw the drain. Oh there and that's when he decided. To make the victims drink the drain Oh. Yes, so I couldn't find what the original trial! Defense was set up. What what their whole story was right? But what I could find was what we have is a a later appeals. Preceding, her appeals hearing I don't know the exact terminology for it. Basically what we have is Pierre is nearing the execution date. He was sentenced to death. And they're gonNA have a hearing to give the opportunity of. Maybe we can commute this to a life sentence. At which Pierre Speaks, and he says the drain Oh to use the restroom during the robbery I saw the drain Oh there I put. Two and two together and thought I would use it on the victims. The problem you have with that is we do know at the original. Trial. Or in walkers, testimony was that at some point after everybody was tied up one of the men he heard. One of the men say to the other man to go get something from the van outside right, and that is when one of the men returned to the basement with this liquid, all of a sudden that they were supposed to be drinking. then. We have this other manner that I think we should get to before we wrap things up here. Tablet can to stay on that for say. I believe. Even, if. You know from what we've seen and what? We've talked to lawyers and stuff. You're at this scene and you decide that you're gonNA make him. Drink this liquid this poison. Just the thought that you know to poured into cups or however you to have him drinking. This is enough time to to constitute as premeditation. So. It doesn't matter to me if you brought it with you where you didn't. Like. To argue those little details to try to get. It reduced a life. A life sentence doesn't make a lot of sense to me well, and it would be quite the coincidence to have a completely different person saying I saw. Two of the perpetrators watching Magnum force where this woman is forced to drink. Some kind of liquid or drain Oh in the movie, and she dies immediately and I. Hear them discussing. The scene in the movie. Right? That's that's quite the coincidence now. Could have gone down exactly as peer said. He, who knows we see we weren't there. We don't know for certain in or never says specifically that he heard the one man say to the other. Go the drain Oh from the van or go get. Blah Blah Blah from the van. He doesn't specify what it is that he here's. The man asked to go get from the drain or from the van, but regardless like you said captain, there is a certain level premeditation in either scenario. If Pierre wants to diminish it to maybe get him. A chance at life imprisonment instead of. The death penalty. I mean I can. I can understand pulling out all stops and attempting anything during that hearing, but. The other thing we should discuss to is that. There was another murder. Okay. This took place on October Fifth Nineteen seventy three. Police responded to a homicide. This is at the apartment of Air Force Sergeant, Edward Jefferson. Who was stationed at the Hill Air Force Base just south of Ogden. It is believed that. was murdered in his sleep. He was found on his couch, wearing a set of thermal underwear, and his hands were still folded across his chest. Within days police had a possible suspect, but they only knew this man as Dale from the West indies. As they continue to interview persons close to the victim. They figured out that Dale from the West. INDIES was likely twenty year old airman. Dale Pierre. From witness statements. Here's the theory that they piece together. Less than a week before the murder, several people friends if you will were at Sergeant Jefferson's apartment, hanging out Jefferson key rang with the keys to his vehicle and apartment. Turn up missing. Everyone there helps Jefferson to search the apartment for the keys, but they never turn up. The next day, Dale Pierre returned to the apartment and while he's there, he suggests hey less search the apartment again to look for the keys this time the keys magically turn up. Jefferson was very suspicious and did a little investigation of his own. Jefferson learned that Pierre. Took his keys to the air force bases, locksmith and using a fake name Curtis Alexander. He had duplicates made of the keys. Jefferson confronted Pierre about this. Two days later Jefferson is found dead on his couch in his own living room the killer. This is what police could piece together. The killer had placed a pillow. Over Jefferson's face and drove a bayonet through his face. Oh my killing him instantly with the first blow. However, that was not enough to feed the rage of the killer. Because the killer drove the bayonet through Jefferson's face, repeatedly, the blade went all the way through his brain in the hill of the weapon fractured his skull. The detectives believed that the killer enjoyed committing this murder, and that is why he drove the bayonet through this man's face over and over again. Police were certain that Dale Pierre was FG Jefferson's killer, but they never had enough evidence to bring him to trial or to make an official arrest. Will those? That's one of those cases you know. Hindsight. You're going to go well. Maybe the case doesn't solve, and maybe we can't put all the pieces together, but now that we have him connected with these. Horrible murders. He kinda go well. The cases kind of solve. Then you kinda wonder what else if you know after you know about the hi fi murders. What else is this guy capable of? It doesn't seem like theory of above anything. Yeah, there's any limits to that now. Dale Selby Pierre. Some of the articles in stories. You find about this guy. There are variations of his name, and that is because once. He was in prison. Pierre changed his name. More than twenty times. In fact, one report I saw said twenty seven times. He says it. This is because he was trying to spare his family, embarrassment and hostility from the community. Of Dale Selby! Pierre was executed on August Twenty Eighth Nineteen eighty-seven. He was the first person in the State of Utah to be executed by way of lethal injection. There was a brilliant article by Jerry Spangler and the Deseret News and. These executions are very hard to report on because there is such a mixed bag of emotions and opinions on the death penalty itself. And rightfully so. Parts of the article read. Calmly Dale Selby Pierre blinked his eyes and licked his lips. He took deep breaths his eyes fixed on the bright lights above his head, he wiggled his toes, and muttered a quiet prayer as the toxic chemicals dripped relentlessly into his bloodstream. One of Utah's most notorious killers calmly closed his eyes and slipped quietly into death. There was no anger, no protests, no violence from him. Selby's death was in marked contrast. To the hours long torture slayings of three people in the basement of an Ogden stereo shop. There was no protests from Saudi now. I'm saying Selby because in this article. That's the name that using. When he changed his name captain most the time he was his birth name from my understanding is Dale Selby Pierre. When he changed his name, he really just moved around those three three names. So there was no pre protest from Pierre, but outside there were some two hundred demonstrators, many of them opponents of the death penalty, but some of them very much for the death penalty. You have to keep in mind though, too. There were some people who are pro death penalty for very specific situations and not many others. I think likely that. Could have been the case here. With several in the crowd that were all for it. The death penalty opponents sang songs like we shall overcome an amazing grace while pro-death penalty demonstrators, saying poor Selby poor son of a gun. He's GonNa die. One man wore pencils on his head, going into his ears, a like a variation of the fake aero trick right? He carried a can of drain Oh. Yeah, it was intended to make the point. Representing eye for an eye. Dale Selby. Pierre was pronounced dead shortly after one am he was thirty four years old. Pierre requested that the twenty nine dollars and his commissary account be left to his friend William Andrews. Dale Selby Pierre was the first person executed in the State of Utah. Since Utah Executed Gary Gilmore. On January Seventeenth Nineteen, seventy seven, so roughly ten years between these two executions. Oddly enough captain one could say that Gary Gilmore was executed for indiscriminate felony murder as well he to committed armed robbery, and both times killed the person working at the establishments that he robbed great, Gilmore chose the firing squad method, and when asked on the morning of January seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven. If he had any last words, he simply replied. Let's do it. William Andrus. was executed by the State of Utah using lethal injection. On July, Thirtieth Nineteen ninety-two, his last meal was a banana split that he shared with his sister and niece during their final visit. At the execution. And just before Andrews did not discuss three murders, he was sentenced to die for and a final statement he said. Thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive. This was very controversial trying to. Get his death sentence reduced to life for a while. Yes, so going into the Andrews always stuck to his story that he was with Pierre. He did help take each victim captive and robbed the store, but he did not physically by his own hand. Kill any of the three murder victim whether you agree with that or not, but we stated from the beginning of the trials was. This is one of the problems I have and I. Think you have with. Try trying people together, yeah. But then on top of that you I mean you have all kinds of other issues with this I mean or in? It doesn't sound like he's one hundred percent on. Who did what I mean, keep in mind. He's in a lot of paint. He's tied up. He's face down on a basement floor. But it seems like he is of the belief too that. Is the one that was responsible for all of the murders and most of the actual physical torture. And then later we have courtney Nesbitt who survived, but could not testify because of Amnesia. What he does seem to remember or believes that he remembers according to the book victim. Is He says that he remembers hearing the two men arguing. Either upstairs or in another part of the basement. Over what to do with the victims? And that it was decided that they were going to kill them, but Andrews is saying I can't do it. To which Pierre then says I'll take care of it. Give me thirty minutes. But again that's troubling thing here. Where is the line because obviously, if that? Is exactly what took place? Andrew's didn't stop air from going in the other room and attempting to kill five people. Yeah so in that that you help make the decision right and you decided to bring guns to the scene. You may have helped to decide to bring drain Oh to the scene. There's a whole long list of of offenses here. Now in his final statement, as said he said, thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive. You pointed out. Yes, because this was controversial at the time still is controversial. I hope they continue to fight for equal justice. After I'm gone, tell my family goodbye. I Love Them. A prison officials asked him. This has been a long haul for you, hasn't it? To which anders replied. Yes, I'm actually very tired. Yeah, it's very. Very tragic case Keith Roberts, who was just nineteen at the time of the murders, he was the getaway driver, and it was in fact determine at the trial that he had no role in nor knowledge of the murders. He was convicted of two counts of aggravated robbery. Roberts was paroled in May of nineteen eighty seven after nearly thirteen years in prison I have seen some different reports out there, but because I cannot verify for certain report what seems to be the general consensus of reporting, and that is that Keith Roberts moved to the State of Oklahoma after his parole. It does not appear that he got into any further trouble with the law, and it does look like. He passed away back in nineteen ninety two. Or and Walker The star witness at the trial of the men convicted for the hi. Fi murders and robbery passed away in February of two thousand at the age of sixty nine, and then twenty eight years after the brutal. Hi, fi murders that shocked Utah Byron Courtney Nesbitt. One of only two survivors in the nineteen seventy-four torture murder rampage. died at the young age of forty four. Courtney died in Seattle after a long an undisclosed illness. Courtney was shot in the head and left for dead during the Commission of those crimes. He suffered throughout his life from disabilities from being tortured in the stereo shop. His father Dr Byron Nesbitt declined for comment. Only saying this is the end of the Hi Fi Story I. Want this to be the end. Get the so much for listening to the show supporting us in supporting the garage. Thanks for sharing on social media for everything true crime checkout, true crime garage dot com for our old episodes. Download the stitcher. APP is free and check out stitcher premium. We have a bonus show called off the record. 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Alicia Butler Pierre Interview, CEO Equilibria, Inc. & Bestselling Author On The Sales Synergistics Podcast
"Hello World and welcome to the sales. Just it's podcast and I'm very excited about this week's conversation at one of my favorite people in the World Miss Alicia Butler Pierre who is the founder and CEO of equilibrium cooperated and the host with the most of the business infrastructure. Podcast of whom I was recently a guest and we're going to be having a great conversation today about some of the things we discussed how you doing daily glad to have you here and just so you know we have braved the snow in Atlanta which you all might know means the entire city could be shut down at any moment to be here. But we're here. We're going to give you a great conversation coming up in just a moment. Elo world and welcome to the Sales Centre districts podcast where we are with the knowledge skills and experts to bring your sales marketing and operations team together all through your sales process. Let's get into our podcast today and see how we can help you succeed. Well hello everyone here again as I said with Alicia Butler Pierre and also with a surprise bout of Laryngitis. You're going to hear my my evening. Barry White quiet storm voice today because we've got some some snow here in Atlanta Georgia today but nonetheless warm here in the studio and we've got the warm and again today. Missile Lucia. Welcome thanks for coming near. Yeah I really enjoy being on your podcast. I'm glad that you can be here with us today. now I know you well but some of my listeners haven't got to meet you so please tell us a little bit about yourself your podcast and your business sure. My my business is equal areas. You mentioned earlier. I have been in business. Believe it or not for fifteen years actually it will officially be fifteen years in. May Twenty twenty. Can't believe it. It's gone by so fast and what I do. Is I specialize in creating what I call business. Infrastructure for fast growing small businesses so basically giving them infrastructure to help them scale with less pain. I do have a podcast by the same name which is business infrastructure. And I've been podcasting now for about a year and a half and also wrote a book about business infrastructures. Call behind the facade. How to Structure Company Operations for sustainable success? Well wonderful and I know that Talked to some of the people who've worked with you and your clients very very successful from the things you've been able to teach them so keep up the good work but we're here on a podcast and as a follow up to your podcast. I'll just take a second and talk about that because I know that that's important for a lot of businesses now to get a presence in recognition is thought leaders and valuable resources How's that been for you running a podcast? It has been honestly. It has completely changed my business. It breathed new life into my business. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that and who would have thought right because when I when I started my podcast I didn't know what the Heck I was doing. And honestly it seemed as though it was just yet another approach of kind of like just throwing spaghetti at the wall and figuring out what would stick and it wasn't until after about a year of podcasting believe it or not an eye. Podcast weekly that. I really started to understand the business development which I know you'll appreciate right. Yes the business development opportunities that could come about as a result of my podcast. That's wonderful I've just started with this podcast myself following suit after a mentor. Like you and it's been a tremendous as people are able to talk about. Why heard you on this podcast. That podcast and now that they're Seeing me in that light again business development. They're eager to hear me speak. They're eager to come onto. My podcast is a huge door opener. I'm really enjoying an Encourage everybody to do that. I noticed that a lot of times people wanted to go to video. But we don't have a lot of time to watch the video where we're driving exactly and it's audio medium is very. I normally do this towards the end of the conversation. But since we're on this topic You're actually here doing a great service to the World Today. Because just by being on a podcast. Today you're going to be a contributor to the podcast world tour which is a first year awareness campaign for the auditory verbal center here in Georgia. The auditory verbal center. Yeah it helps children who are born deaf to live in a hearing world through therapy and through surgeries and technologies. That aren't available anywhere else in Georgia. And they've helped thousands of children as young as two years old to to be able to hear for the first time and we're getting the word so that is awesome. Jason didn't know you're doing some good. They did not know at all. That's good we're raising new podcast. Listener so We just encourage everybody to go to podcasts. World TOUR DOT COM and. Check out what we're doing there and police spread the word. Do you think you'll help spread for us? Of course absolutely you don't even have to ask. That's a given good. Well you've got thousands of listeners over your many years of doing these podcast and you said it really helps you a bunch and you've helped my business by being on your podcast right. That's the topic of conversation. I'm GONNA pretend like I don't remember what we talked about. Okay so tell me what. What did you invite him to the podcast for? And how did that go so my podcast is segmented into seasons and you actually kicked off. I believe it was season six which was all about profitable processes so that each of each of my guests during that particular season. Come on really spell out in detail a particular. That's the steps of a particular process and how that ultimately leads to greater profitability. And you. Jason came on again. You kicked off that particular season and you talked about the sales synergistic process that you developed in that you've tried and tested over many years with different clients around the around the country and so that's what that's what we talked about. Great and We were. We were thrilled to kind of pick through it in detail. Because I think you from your operations about ground salsa great parallels to the perspectives. You saw some of the takeaways from what you did in operations and what I appreciate it. Most there were several things several things that I personally learned. And that's another great thing about podcasting especially when you don't just do monologues but you actually invite guests you're learning to and that's definitely the case for me but one of the things that really stuck with me was the fact that you've you've worked across all three areas sales marketing and operations and so you know the the the feelings and the emotions and the drives within each of those groups how passionate each of those groups are and you're in a really good position to be able to bridge the gaps. Sometimes that may exist across those different siloes new. Remember US having that conversation and now the audience is all caught up. You Know I. I love the opportunity continuing that conversation. Because it's the silos that are so detrimental to business today right. It's it's just so crippling when operations is pointing. The finger at sales and marketing is Fussing operations and it's just so debilitating UC and now. It's your clients absolutely and I think a big part of it is because the way I look at it is it's it's two sides of the same coin so sales is is definitely a part of marketing. So I always look at it as you know again. A two sides of the same coin. You have marketing and sales on one side operations on the other and I actually talked about fat a little bit in my book. And even when I'm kind of on the speaking circuit is this this war to go on between sales and marketing operations and I I also referred to it as kind of like the If you think about the yen and the Yang you can't have one without the other. You can't have day without night. You can have logic without emotion. It's duality and I think if we the more we do to educate each other about what what our respective fields are really about. I think the I won't say you'll completely understand. But but maybe gain a greater respect and appreciation for the fact that both are needed or all three in this case. I needed a like that all three point when you talk about the two sides of the same coin right if you think about corn you've got the marketing side you've got the sale side the edge that holds them together. Is the operations right. That's the Holcim together. You can't get the two sides together without that glue in between. I think we were talking before we started about the the opinion the feeling of operations leaders as being the business right as having that central Unifying role and having that of authority I GUESS. Putting words in it but authority Of being the business from the Operas Operations Perspective which leads to a whole lot of finger-pointing pointing or telling what to do now that's my perspective from the sales side. Is that the way operations. People tend to feel the way I feel Jason because I arguing and keep in mind. I'm working with smaller companies. Do and I find that. They actually don't really know what operations means even though that's what they're doing and they don't necessarily call it operations so in my opinion and from my experience is all about marketing. Even when I'm out in about an and you know this we we've I mean we met at an event a web no wasn't a Webinar but it was definitely an event but you go to any event business related event or workshop. It's almost always about okay. We can help you grow your business. Grow Your Business for Your Business. Everyone seems to be saying that. And it's always from a marketing type perspective. So it's usually about personal branding promotions. Pr Publicity's sales business development. But you almost never see anyone talking about your operational efficiency talking about processes talking about systems. So that's what I've personally been on. A quest to do is to is to raise awareness about operations and why it is so important. I also think that with operations the way I describe it to people is marketing and I don't want us to get into a debate here soliciting help. We can have a healthy dialogue about this. But the way I see you you know us. We are here to educate the public sales and marketing is is about what you do or I'm sorry about what you say to bring to attract customers and clients to your business. Operations is what you actually do to deliver that that product or that service and so you're right there can definitely be a disconnect if you spend so much time on your sales and marketing. You're doing a really great job and you've you've erected this facade and that's not necessarily a bad thing and so people are coming to you and they're like oh my Gosh Jason. Wow I see your stuff all the time online. I saw the you're on CNN. Or Larry King live or whatever and so they form this perception and now all of a sudden you have so much traffic coming to your website that it crashes well. That's operation saying. We tried to tell you jason that if you went onto that if you onto. Larry King Live. This is what would happen with. We don't have the capacity though that's operational language when we start talking about capacity ban with being able supply being able to meet the demand. Correct and people usually. Don't start thinking about that until it's too late right. Yes I gotta say that. Most sales people see the perspective. I expressed right playing a role there right that. Oh these operations guys telling us what to do and they think they're the business and we're supposed to do what they say. There's a feeling of that but the important thing is there's that lack of communication that lack of understanding of what the other side does that causes that divide I don't think that either group invites the others to the table to say right. Here's what we're doing. Here's what we're working on. Here's what we need. I feel that everybody cares about each other. 'cause we're all the same animal we're all the same company. So sales knew everything that went into operations parameters and restrictions they could govern themselves within them and similarly if operations knew everything that sales needed not just close a sale with a brand new customer but to meet the promises that they made when they closed that new customer so they get repeat business in referrals then operations could build and scale the business specifically with the seller success in mind yes. I think that could happen now. Those processes that you teach how mind blowing how transformational is when you get someone to think in that infrastructure operations perspective for the first time. How life changing is it with. Oh my gosh. It's it changes. It's a game changer. It truly is because most people don't realize just how much knowledge is is still inside of their head and so my job is to get that knowledge out of your head and onto paper into format into whatever tool we may use to be able to capture that information and share it with other people as you start to expand your team and if I were to ask you Jason. Let's tomorrow we're GONNA come into your office and we're going to start capturing some of your key processes your day to day processes that you go through and you you may say well. That's that's easy. I mean I can sit down right now and tell you. We'll be done in about thirty minutes but that's because you know what you do like the back of your hand for me as a person who doesn't know what you do and I don't have an appreciation for all of the detail and the nuances. That may go into what you do I. My role is unique. Because I get to probe well Jason what you may described to me in ten steps by the time I get finished with you. And maybe a hundred. But that's the whole point. You're so good at what you do that. You don't even think of it as an actual process and it's not until you realize that you need to start cloning yourself as you start to expand your team the importance of actually again transferring that knowledge from out of your head and getting it onto for lack of a better word paper so that other people can be trained in the way that you do what you do right documenting and curing as curate in your processes and your steps Curing your knowledge and your repeatable processes so that you can build that culture of continuous improvement and consistent outcome for your customers as critical as critical because you know if your ad hoc then there's no telling what the customer's going to get exact from their experience I love that. She pointed out something. You go to the concept here. That was critical for me. Starting out here and consulting is talking about the value of coaching. The beauty of the beauty of that outsiders perspective it helps take people from that paradigm of learning that we call unconscious competence where they don't know why they're good. They're competent but they don't know why or if they're unconsciously incompetent where they don't know what they don't know sometimes it's only that outsider's perspective can bring it that you're able to do with equally reincorporated you can come in from the outside and say listen. I can see some blindspot some gaps that you can't see and as a coach. I can coach you through it or I can look at why you're so successful and help you to highlight those strengths and repeat them and teach the other people in your organization. Insiders can't do that. It's like trying to see you're on the inside of your eyeball. It's just impossible and it's funny. You say that because I struggle with trying to capture my own pro my company's processes. I have actually hired other people in the past to interview me on how I do what I do because I know that I will inadvertently leave some some important steps out not intentionally. It's just it's human nature is yeah. Get to flowing with it so to everyone listening again. No harm in being self serving. Here shameless plug. But you definitely need to look into the coaches that inform your business. So there's a lot of people at the small business level that don't WanNa make that investment in outside help you know well you know money's kind of tight when really getting that expertise that outside perspective is the most important thing to you business. Not pinching pennies over here and and. I'll tell you something else jason whenever I work with any type of coach because there's so many different types of coaches When it comes to business but having having an accountability partner someone that you know that you there's something really magical about knowing that you have to report to someone whether it be whatever frequency scheduling frequency. You set up with your coach whether it'd be weekly biweekly but just knowing okay. I know I have my meeting with coach Jason Tomorrow Crap. I haven't done what is supposed to do right so it keeps you on top. It keeps you on your toes and before you know it you've accomplish things that you never would have been able to do on your own absolutely out as an anecdote. I WANNA share the accountability that I've been doing. Hopefully you walk and do the same thing if you're listening Just person you trust unpaid close friend in the same field as you. They have the same kind of action steps they need to take. And they're aware of your goals and the objectives you want to have a peer of Mine Abednego don is over at Co Advantage and He's one of the most tenacious business developers. I've ever met may presidents club and six months which is a twelve month endeavor But the way we did. Our accountability was we would just on a daily basis email each other activity at the end of the day. Here's what I comp here. The business development activities had committed to for you we each had different activities different goals and the day we get the email and I'd look you know at seven o'clock at night o'clock night and here's the email from my accountability partner. Here's my steps. And he had done his look at my list. Look long wait a minute. Okay and there. I am until ten at night getting it in the business. It helped the business go better and and he was asked. How did he make presents up so fast he pointed to accountability is is that thing. That's what coaching can do for you. You know and and it's it's I don't care how self driven you are or how motivated you are. You have to have other people around you you do. You cannot do this alone. Not If you're serious about spreading your influence spreading impact being a value and really scaling what you do and the message behind what you do. You absolutely cannot do it alone and again. I don't care how how motivated how self driven you are self do you. Are you have to have other people in your corner? Who are pushing you rooting for each share. You on and challenging you. Because a lot of times it's easy if this just you and you're just just me myself and I of course if I don't feel like doing something day well I don't know not accountable to anyone else. Wanted the ball so the boss but if you have a coach or any other consultant that you may work with or members of your team or someone on your staff who you know if you don't get up and do a certain activity. That person may not eat today. That person may not be able to pay for their child's to wish whatever the case may be so. It's not just about you. It's about the entire community of people that you have around you absolutely to that point about the community Touchy subject. That's out there right now. Which will bring us full circle back to what we've been about This diversity right as you bring people into circle. The coaching advise you having a diversity of perspective is you got a bunch of people in the room and think like you. You're gonNA come out thinking the same thing as you did. Before Ergo as an operational leader as a sales leader as a marketer having that advice of someone from those other silos has got to be essentially success to get that perspective. So you know how to build your silo. Bill your little fiefdom so that it can support the others that you depend on. And how hard is it to do in some of the clients that you've seen to get that outside perspective from the other different genres? The you're right. It's it's definitely a challenge and what I try to really push in terms of messaging. Is that business. Infrastructure is all about showing that linkage of all parts of the business. The interconnectivity of it. All it's an analogy that I've been using lately is a Rubik's cube imagine you have a Rubik's cube and all of the colors. Aren't you know you don't have all the same color on each side of the Rubik's cube that's how most spit. Existing businesses are that that have some amount of success in other words. You have you have these different elements you have your processes. You have your different departments. You have different people working for you. Different technologies that you're leveraging but it's still kind of all jumbled up and you have to be able to figure out how the right coordination or what manipulation is needed in order to get everything looking solid smooth and streamlined. One of the exercises that I do when I'm working with my clients is one of the very first things that we do is. We have a huge brainstorming session. And it's a requirement that there's a representative from every single area of the business and they have to be there throughout the entire session. So it's not about well we're GONNA start with with. Hr I and you you guys come in and you talk for an hour and then we're going to have someone from it comment and then someone from sales note. We're all if we're saying. This session is scheduled today from nine. Am until four PM. Everybody needs to block out that entire day. If you're participating you're going to be there the entire day and what happens. Jason is as people start talking. You'll hear other people say well. I didn't realize that's what you all were doing. Well well explain that to me or I thought. Are we still doing this? Do we still use the technology why they're having conversations that they've never had before and it's a beautiful thing to see them all in the same room at the same time actually talking to each other and not talking over each other and then by the time we meet up again after that brainstorming session. There's another exercise that I take them through where we have all of these different task. They've all identified as a result of that brainstorming session and they're placed onto these little note cards that are spread across a very large table and again as a group. They are now deciding. Okay these these tests go together. And if we had to assign a name or department to this particular grouping of tasks we would call it this and they go through that entire exercise together So now they have they have skin in the game and from that point we then help them figure out from these different tests. What processes actually needs to be documented as a result of these different tests? And it's very collaborative it's highly visual and again it's it's transparent and it's it's enabling conversations to be had that have never taken place before to everyone that's listening in the investor community if you've recently acquired a company in the scaling of the growth phase and you haven't called a leash take your investment. Do this exercise. You need to make the time to do. And we'll make sure you have our contact information. A you talked about your process that you do there that kind of Unifying exercise and having everyone stopped their work for the day is something you can't do without the authority of the senior leadership. Which is I mean. That's so essential that the senior leaders take ownership of. This is why I started the sales synergistically concept's from that sea level leaders perspective that they have to make it and take ownership of it And make it a priority And I was hoping I am hoping that this will be the new unifying theory Of How sales marketing operations can work together. I'm thrilled to hear that you've had some success and you'll be taken some of those points forward as we wrap up we share with the audience where you're going to be going in the in the next couple of days understand. You've got a presentation coming up. I love for you to share it with the world and some things to take four which you and We'll wrap it. What your contact information. Okay so I will actually be in Los Angeles next week. Speaking at the podcast movement evolutions conference. And I'm going to be specifically talking about how I have been able to use my podcast as a business development tool and I will if anyone is interested in getting a copy of that presentation. I'm more than happy to send you a link to it. Just reach out to me on Lincoln. Alesia Butler peer. That's P like Paul I. E R e you can also find me at twitter and instagram. My handle is alesia underscore be like boy underscore Pierre Fantastic and we will make sure we Put that in the show notes and Ladies Gentlemen. Don't be surprised when you see the sales logistics business infrastructure podcast world tour coming to you at some point because i. I think this is a fantastic collaboration. That's going to continue and so I can't wait to have you on again. It'll be on your show again and hopefully being in front of rooms full of people spread. That would be amazing. Mo. Thank you for your time. Put on our parkers and a galoshes and embrace this snowy weather. I think we almost got a whole quarter inch we might. We might just survive it this time but pray for. Maybe we will. We will survive. And we will rebuild. All right. Sounds good. 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Wearables for Health, Fitness and Sports with Pierre-Alexandre Fournier, CEO at Hexoskin
"Welcome to the outcomes rocket podcast where we inspire collaborative thinking improved outcomes and business success with today's most successful and inspiring healthcare leaders and influencers, and now your host. So Marquez. Back to the podcast today I have the privilege of hosting Pierre Alexandre -fornia he's a CEO at heck skin a wearable health sensors and a company making a difference in healthcare. He's an entrepreneur designer scientists and Co founder of the company, and they basically do wearable body metrics. It's the leading smart clothing and Ai Company for performance prevention personal health research in medicine since two, thousand, six with heck. So Skin Pierre had the chance to work with professional trainers, doctors, health researchers, sports, scientists, space scientists. And many other amazing people to develop rural health centers and smart clothing will change the way we take care of our health and the health of the ones we care about and so with that I wanNA just welcome Piere to share his thoughts on on what they're doing with the company where the industry's going on wearables an artificial intelligence. So Pierre Big thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having. So what did I leave out in your intro that maybe you want to share with listeners You said that. So what hey, skin the mainly is connecting people patients with professionals so that because patients can record what happens with their health or not income settings in the lab or at the doctor's office. and. Share it with the people help them take care of their health and we do that many different ways I think the one very important problem that we solve is how do term by the signs monitoring at home or outside us at all or at work or any real-life activity by position today the artificial come bakes that is the doctor office yesterday. Yeah. You know it seems peer that were going into a row of healthcare today were monitoring patients at home is becoming more thing. So the rise of wearables in. In how we do this monitoring vitals outside of they keep care setting is becoming more and more of a topic. What would you say while firstly, before we dive in further what got you into the business healthcare and wearables to what you were just saying is that we wanted to combine into dozen stakes and what we saw was that while the population was aging, it is sit aging, and because of that day was a huge need for better care at home where costs are lower and also the aging population. Brings new challenges to the medical community. By downtime, mean that the hospital system as it didn't deal mostly for. Accurate care for infections for injuries and what we have. Now, the need for medical care is more related to chronic care is eases aging. So things that are not accurate than shorter are more at chronic and long term and for that while the system is that whether that? Ted. To. So we need we need new tools we need to change way relocate medicine are we give people access to services and while technology is part of the solution while I think it's super important work that you're up to. So what would you say needs is an example you know obviously, the hot topic is chronic long-term taking care of these patients. What would you say your company's doing? That's helping solve this problem. We are very patient focused meaning. Do we design money during tools that are socially acceptable are convenient to you are simple to use ideally the product we did. It products that loved are as simple to use as a light switch char a toaster or microwave. These things are very very simple to use. You can use them even you don't know how to read. You can use them even if you have bad short term memory so it should be like that for Mexico to at home has low so far Monday's tools. So that's what we've done. When we've developed the hangs Eskin smart shirts for vital signs. It's raining at first it was not the shirt trade was a it looked more traditional device that you would find another dog. With wires stickers and a big box to record the whole thing, and then we we we saw that he would not wear these devices over the long term maybe for a few days but not for a few months or it's never going to eat part of a normal life. So we we looked at different design options in the end. It became a smart shirt because we wanted to measure the activity of Organza, in the upper body by a smart undershirts that you can wear under a dress shirt or a tank top for women that women can wear under their coats. Suddenly the the device becomes invisible become sparser part of your life, and basically if the patient knows how to put on a shirt and how to charge your battery, they can you. I think that's something very important that we do as a company pigskins designing, choose our that are easy to use for patients and that are socially acceptable in that can fit in a normal nice while I think it's a very interesting and. Taking a look at the at the capabilities of the shirt monitoring things like E C, g heartbeat HR, V. Cure S events, heart rate recovery breathing rate. You guys are are measuring a lot here. So it'd be interesting to hear from you some of the specifics maybe maybe a particular example of how the was used by an individual or an organization to. Improve outcomes. So with the smart shirts and then the software that we have to collect data what we have basically remote by signs monitoring at forming, it's being used in many different contexts which give you two examples where it was particularly useful. I think one was for a kidney trial for rare disease that was done in the US and one of the. Problems they add is that the disease was so rare that just twelve twenty or thirty dispense they needed to recruit patients across six different sites. So six different cities in the US and these patients while it's a crying disease, it's a, it's a disease that you have from the time you were born onto the in. So how money to people on six different Sides and home now do with them so that they can connect all the data and we've Bam set up the operations and they could use the system to collect data from olives. locations couldn't him twos? Are there when that? Ted, through exemple where you can provide monitoring even if the people are not the sainted than banner, another example is we've ran. A study. For Cardiac patients going through Cardiac Rehab at home cardiac reputation. Is, probably. The best thing you can do with a cardiac patients host acute care about other people, and among that the hundred percents or almost all patients who have some kind of cardiac interventions should go through a cardiac rehabilitation program Providence. Eighty percent of the patients don't photo such a program because. Most of them aren't given dead within the wall announced at all or dedicated festively. The. It's pretty hard for older patients is the sheet to get to the facility and federal program, and so the compliance rate is using nuts. Very Great. So what we've done is we've designed a program where patients had to do exercises at home and it would follow the the Cardiac Rehab Program at home and Basically we we had a compliance rate that TWAS almost one hundred percents among these patients. So almost all of them finished the program, which is a great outcome and I. Think this is something we should rip. Kate K. on now we're we're ready to do that that's excellent exciting. So as we think about approaches that we could take to improve healthcare to continue monitoring patients helping them understand past present future this type of technology folks is is something that that you all should Consider. So as you think about the things that haven't worked Pierre, what would you say is is one that stands out that you guys learn most from I'm not going to talk about the specific project we had but I would say we had failures sometimes, and all of these times it was because we tried with our partner because we always talk projects with our clients partner we tried to start the project to fast without proper planning training and support. So basically, it's like. It's like you have enough and people use typewriters, and then you you try to throw computers at them and you'd think whether this is going to increase productivity computers are good but you don't do proper panning training and support. Well, it's going to fail people are going to make mistakes, and some of the people are not going to be able to use the equipment and he's the same thing with any new to the to use our any new process it's not even doesn't have. To be technology no every time you you try to change the way people were if you don't do it with proper planning with proper training and support during the project while you're you're setting yourself for failure I adding it's a great call out at that preparation is certainly key. Thanks for sharing that. Pierre, what would you say one of the proudest moments you had with the company as far as but we we've had many proud moments like the the time when we we lomb. Our money during system to the space station lesson. December. That's pretty cool. Very Fun Fun team that I promise thing that we have is that we we've decided early on to open platform meaning that we thought. Well, if we are going to collect healthy about people of this data, speed to flow and people should have accessed with their own data. So we've been to NOPE AND DATA API we've both features so that people can download data exported to other software for analysis, and because of that, we grew a research community around the form that is. Active and publishing papers using the bat form in it's really hard to get published. It's pretty hard to publish papers. It can take no years to complete a study in the years to publish. So were a proud that now we have, we have over seventy papers published with the best form and as a new one, almost every week and they are hundreds of researchers using the tools that skin provides to do health research in many different fields. So so I'm really proud of that because I feel. That we're doing something to help the scientific community advance. It's no ledge of different medical conditions using our cut for I think this is important. That's really neat. was at an intended effector decision or is that something that you just kind of stumbled into and said, wow, this is a good way to add value. Well, we we thought it was a good idea to be open but I, think the answer from the research community exceeded our expectation is far more research being done with our Tuesday And for things that he didn't think about. All that's great. oftentimes getting in the game staying in the game, and it's amazing. What happens the applications that you find to help the people wanted Al sometimes turn into the things that you didn't even expect right but you're responding to the market so I'll give you an example a we're very focused on chronic cardiac disease in cranked pulmonary disease. At farming. But now we've had papers published about people with. To alcohol. First published on how to better design CDs for seniors. So where did they put these shirts on on on seniors? And they tried to find the places in the city where it was most stressful to them. We've had a paper published about the workload of artists to at the different shows from So you have these performers at the Sich that wearing shorts on their their costumes and the researchers are collecting data about them to better understand how to prevent injuries during the performance to mazing. Oh man that's so cool from Cirque du Soleil to the space station designing cities for seniors totally totally interesting routes that technology has taken, and so what would you say is the most exciting project working on today while we were pushing pushing where we revisited loving different programs for people with cardiac disease in people wait to see PD. So chronic pulmonary disease and I'm particularly excited cited by what we do with COPD because the. TWOS FOR CARDIAC MONITORING, but there's not many things that were developed to monitor breathing in general enforce Yo PD in particular, it's it's it's a huge problem. See patients get us to devise a lot. It makes you busy old and if it's not well manage, it can go down very fast. So we've been working with different researchers in Canada, the US in the Netherlands. Working with patients trying to find a new digital markers of soupy D to better understand the progression of the disease and. And predict acute care events. So for example, if we if we could predict a few days in advance that you'll be patients, as you'll be patient is at risk of being admitted to the hospital while we can do an integration intervention that is less expensive and that would lead bitter outcomes for the patient and like like for cardiac patients, what we want ideally is if the patient needs to come back to the data, we'd like him or her to be able to to take a cab to build to the doll and have an appointment instead of taking an ambulance and go to the ER so. I'm really excited by by what we're doing for these patients but especially, for sukey patients because we've developed with Texas skin is basically a holter monitor for the lungs and and I think it feels the gaps that was they re important for the hundreds of millions of patients who have she'll be to I think it's fascinating in an outstanding that you guys have developed this and so folks you want to get some more information on on the folks heck skin go heck. So skin dot com that's where they keep all the info on their shirts, the things that they've been up to their research astro skin. Of the things that up to, but definitely a fascinating place to to get the info that you want on them. We'll also put their link in our show notes. So appeared this part of the podcast were almost at the end here we're going to do a lightning round. So I got a couple of questions for you with you will respond some quick answers in a place where you could recommend a book listeners ready. What's the best way to improve healthcare outcomes? Bam population. Education educate the kids is. Modern to you should programs at school than and start the education programs for older people as well. What's the biggest mistake to avoid I? Think a medical practice is so complex. I. Think it's to never never stopped earning and always be curious about people who think differently about what you should be doing with patients I think it's what you do how do you stay relevant as an organization despite constant change I Would say look for best practices elsewhere I think there's a lot of good knowledge and good experiences in in healthcare that are not being reproduced. At I, think that's a that's a low hanging fruit foremost organizations to just the quests happening in other other organization within the same country are in other countries and try to find ways to improve care and learn from other people's experience. What one area focus, sa- drive everything What I think it's the patient I know I always think about the patient and always think about the people to work with the patient know how can how can we? Help the family, have the patient with his or her condition. How can we help providers help the patient, but it's always about taking care of that. That person very special at the middle of everything that we love that and these next two are more personal note Pierre. What is your number one health habit? A good question I think very simple. It's try to sleep well, equal stay active and it doesn't have to be. In. Training it's just make sure every day that you you watch. I think have this very, very simple is doing these normal things sleeping normally eating normally. D Wear a a heck says can shirt. Every but. For tonight's because as said, more than seven years of vital signs, statehouse regular vital signs data. If something happens to me, I can look back the data and understand where the problems start irregularity happened. Right fascinating. That's cool and how `Bout your number one success habit. It's a good question I. Think it's it's to help Helton on one side like keeping well, thing well, also know making sure you have time for family time for friends. It's these very, very simple things have I think I'm for yourself to. That Sochi love that easy to lose track of time and then before you know you haven't done anything for yourself right? So. What book would you recommend to the listeners if that's the form because there's so many books and I, I love to read. But if you're looking at innovation in healthcare I would say any book from Dr Eric couple is relevance probably last ones. Are, more relevant or the books about connected hail from Man Joel. Bidar at the partners healthcare, these books were very insightful to me because they tell you about different experiences that were done with digital health in connected health. It's not just about the successes. It's about also the various outcomes that you get when you implement these things different. Some great recommendations folks, you could get all the show notes a full transcript of our discussion with peer at Alexander for. On outcomes rocket that health just go to the website and type in Hex Oh skin, and you'll be able to find their. So therefore, we conclude love if you could just share a closing thought Pierre and. The best place of the listeners could continue the conversation with you. I. Think One thing that we should be thinking about to today to improve access to healthcare and to control. Costs is too. We should think about how how can we keep patients empowered? How can we transfer the no alleged in need. To be empowered in and redirect them to the right resources to understand what's going on with their health, and it can be very hard now because people have access to Google and sometimes sometimes they get great indication online and sometimes they go to these would say weird websites that make them believe things that are really wrong. So how do we keep patients Knowledgeable? Empowered how can we involve seventies in care to keep patients at home and healthier as much as possible I think these are great questions that we should be asking ourselves and Technologies Barth the solution, but it's not the whole thing I think it's mostly education and I think you votes. So if she used indication and considering the right way and then you use it. Tools to support that I think can reading improves the way people have access to healthcare to great ray call out there Pierre. And so with that, the just want to give you a big thanks If the want to continue the conversation, heck skin dot com anywhere else you would invite them to reach out or is at the place. That's the place again, right the again, Rytas Niemann contact at takes in the town, and we have a whole team of people already do to support them with their projects and help them with different research vehicles or particles at standing while Pierre. Big. Thanks for spending time with US definitely an insightful review of of what's happening in wearables in. Non Acute vital signs monitoring it really really appreciate the time that you spent with us today. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Thanks for listening to the outcomes rocket podcast, be shoot a visit us on the web at www dot outcomes rocket dot com for the show notes resources, inspiration, and so much more.
Georges St-Pierre & Shaquille O'Neal
"Area Hawaii's Emma may show is presented by modell brewed for those with a fighting spirit. Hey everyone it's a Hawaii. Hope you're doing well on this Wednesday afternoon. I am so very excited about today's episode of the pod. I mean Holy Smokes George. Saint Pierre Shaquille O'Neal just when I thought I could not outdo myself I have gone out done myself again. I mean two of the greats in their respective sports. The Pride of states by candidate George saint-pierre who I considered the greatest of all time anime and then arguably the greatest big man in the history of the National Basketball Association. Shaquille O'Neal will join me to talk about his love of mixed martial arts in his new shack life. So stay tuned for that and as you've probably heard me say before I love the NBA. I love basketball. Grew up a huge basketball fan. My favorite athlete of all time. Patrick Ewing my favorite team. The Ninety S KNICKS. My favorite coach. Jeff Van Gundy. Well guess what on. This week's episode of the Welsh pod. The Great Adrian Roach now ski sits down with not only Patrick Ewing and Jeff Van. Gundy when I heard that he was doing this episode. I had to block off forty five minutes of my day and just sit down and consume it all injected into my veins. These two of my favorite people in sports growing up and it was so great to hear about their memories of the Bulls. Knicks rivalry the nineties. Nixon general made them so special. I felt like I was thirteen years old all over again so I cannot suggests this enough. You GotTa go listen to this episode Roach pod. Jeff Van Gundy Patrick Ewing. Get it wherever you get your podcasts. Also another reminder. Today's episode Contains Language. That may not be suitable for all audiences so listener discretion is advised back in your life on this. Wednesday April fifteenth. Two Thousand and twenty. Everyone hope you're doing well on this Wednesday afternoon reminder that today's show is presented by modell our good friends over at Modell modell. Oh Espacio fruit for those with a fighting spirit on today's episode. We will be talking to George. Take care the Great George saint-pierre welterweight champion middleweight champion. In my opinion the greatest of all time and also Shaquille O'Neal about his love of mixed martial arts and his new show shack life new episode premieres Thursday night on TNT. And you'll see some familiar faces on that episode for Him Amdahl Kayla Harrison Francis and gun. New Greg Hardy Actually Grapples Greg Hardy. Later in the series so great to catch up with the Shaquille O'Neal a huge may fan. I think you're GonNa like this very much. Of course we last spoke. A lot has happened since D. C. N. Hawaii on Monday and of course since last week's Wednesday with chill son and so we know by now you have see to forty nine not happening this Saturday. That was quite the emotional fair Dana white a telling a whole host of people that they were going to stand down because Disney and asked him to and that they were GonNa take a bit of a break but then he comes out Tuesday night and he says that they are planning on resuming action on May ninth now if you heard. Monday's episode of DC. In Hawaii I told you that they start to tell managers that they were hoping to return. May Sixteen at the apex will yesterday told our own bread. Okamoto that they're hoping to have their next pay per view on May nine which was the date of UFC two fifty location TVD and he even laid out the entire car out. This comes after the state of Florida said and deemed world wrestling entertainment who has performed center in the State of Florida as an essential business. Everyone started to think like. Oh Wow is the UFC. Going to come to Florida as well. Now they're not saying where Florida has been discussed from what I'm told. Nevada has been discussed California's been discussed Oklahoma's been discussed. It's GonNa be really interesting to see how this all plays out and also interesting to know. Why did he come out and say this all to everyone? Why did he come out and tell everyone was so secretive and sensitive a week ago? Why come out and tell the world that you're doing this? Why not just kind of let it flow and fly under the radar Not sure why he did that. I wonder if there are other reasons but it sounds like they are reading those engines and they want to get back to business that the car that he laid out to Komodo. Looks like this Tony Ferguson versus Justin Gage. They are both on board Henry Overseas Dominick Cruz for the bantamweight title. Ferguson Gates you. By the way would be the main event for the interim lightweight titles going back to that Felicia Spencer versus the newness for the women's featherweight title. Fight was supposed to happen in Brazil on May Ninth Princeton. Gone overseas. Union Rosen strike. This'll be the third time they try to book it in a month the supposed to happen. March twenty eighth and April Eighteenth and now on this proposed may ninth card Jeremy Stevens versus Calvin Cater. Donald cerrone vs Anthony. Pettus meeting again. How `Bout that Greg Hardy versus Jorgen Decastro Alexia Olympic against Resume Carlos sparce against Michelle. Waterson Jockey Soza versus your I hall the Center Capers as Nico Price in Charles Rosa versus bryce Mitchell which is a really great fights top to bottom. That's a really great card a lot of the same fights that we're supposed to happen this weekend. Let's see if they can get this done. I wouldn't celebrate just yet but it sounds like they're really eager to get rolling. It sounds like they're really eager to resume action. It the B. I. A lot can happen between now and may ninth but this is what they're working on right now so stay tuned on that. Front for now though. Let's turn our attention to my conversation. George Saint Period is always a privilege and an honor to talk to George saint-pierre. I consider him the grace of all time and this has nothing to do with the comments. John Jones made about me earlier in the week said this time and again it's because he eventually two losses and he doesn't have any PD infractions on his resume end because he walked out on top as the middleweight champion after he beat Michael Biscuit. Ufc two seventeen doesn't do a lot of interviews but we got him for about an hour and it was so great to reminisce the pick his brain and to even talk about UFC eighty-three when he met Sir in that rematch. Twelve years ago. Next week in Montreal. What a great time this was. I hope you enjoy the chat. So what has life been like for you since announcing your retirement are you? Are you comfortable? Are you happy? I mean you're only thirty eight years old right so typically in life. You don't hire thirty April for. You is a little different. What has it been like this past year. I'm the happiest men in the world. I wouldn't want to change my place to anybody else you know. I'm very happy and in fighting for Anafi not lead as a window nets you WanNa retire from the sport. You don't WanNa sport retiring you when you took the break when you said goodbye. Did you want to say goodbye to the sport in general? Did you find yourself not watching it anymore? Not really likes sitting down for the big fights that you feel like you need mental break from everything involving no I I You may not when I retire or or It's not that we're working trying to make a big fight with the Cabbie by the time and then materialize and it's to go back and do the same routine before I've done it for so long. I don't have the same way as I as I did before. So if you like much of Asian you know what I mean you better stop you know because me I I know myself I know at performed the best one on under the on the edge. You know like when it's do or die and if it's to go back to the same routine I find myself kinda nut bar because every five is very dangerous and but for that reason I decided it was not a good for me to continue. I know you were vocal about the Habib fight. But did you find yourself ever getting rich while watching anyone else insane like from this is interesting? This might get me back now. Of course sometime I watch that fight then and you know it goes by waves. You know sometime when I'm in the gym or I watch a fight sometime excited and I'm looking at the firm like man. I know I can beat these guys. You know and and and then after I I wake up in the morning or before I go in bed and I tell myself I'm thinking you know like hell to this. I don't WanNa go back into that stressful lifestyle you because I I love what fighting gave me the freedom. Of course the wild the money On the page that comes with but I actually don't like to fight. I never enjoy one second in the gun in my entire career. I just like to do it because I'm just very good with it than I like what it gives me. But I don't I don't like actual the actual fight. It's very stressful. So it's interesting that you say that because next week is the twelve year anniversary. Remember of what of what famous. Fight Yours. Twelve years April nineteenth. Two thousand eight good question. I'm not sure two thousand eight thousand eight. You have eighty three at the bell centre assault allegations nazi-era. Yeah I I- revenge in Canada. And yes isn't that amazing twelve years next week while thymus flies man. It's crazy. It is insane. It's crazy. That was one of the best moment of my career. It wasn't it was a home fight. They might Iran my friend. Everybody was there the first fight in Canada. It was a dream dream. Come true for me so the reason I brought this up now is because I watched the fight last night and after the fight you set to Kenny Florian. Because Kennedy flooring was the color analyst. Not Joe Rogan. You said this is the happiest moment of my life but just a couple of minutes ago. You said you were never happy fighting. So how could how could that have been the happiest moment of your life if you were never actually happy fighting at the moment of my life when I won that title but if you would have asked me that a few minutes before I wouldn't I was not very happy? I was very stressed. I think what makes me? Happy is the feeling of achievement. You know being able to defending a freedom. It's something that in order to obtain you need to go in to put yourself induce suffering suffering mode. Know there's no pleasure without suffering and fighting. It's a love hate relationship. I hate the fact that I don't know the outcome of the fight before the fight happened because you work so hard and the idea of failure is just unbearable and for me my pride. It's one of my my best thing my worst thing in the same name. That's what helped me to stand up straight against adversity but in the same time it drive me completely insane because I'm so proud that when I put myself into it it's so important to succeed and failure is not an option. Unfortunately nobody's invincible. And I failed twice in my career but these through failure. Abc made me better and stronger but it was at the time that it happened. It was just. I'm bearable for me. The idea of failure. It's crazy I think if you want to be successful in a sport like mixed martial arts or anything if you do something and you want to be the best that you need to be a little bit crazy. You need to be obsessive. And that's why I brought into sparked my obsessive. My obsession allowed me to do great things in the game. I think when you say completely insane it drives you completely insane. Like how unbearable was that feeling like I at its type. How how much virtue? When you have a fight I just put it this. Or what? Have you ever fight coming up you for me? You constantly think about it. You know as as much as men will think about sex you will think about fighting even worse. You know when you notify discovering it's like a funnel the closer you get to the fight the more you think about it and it'd become an obsession you eat it you drive it when you drive regard before you sleep you you think about it constantly all that. I'm not only in training and that was one of the problem for me. I couldn't pull the plug. It was very hard for me. The MOM and I finish a fight. I raise my arm. It was another guy calling me out so we didn't have any break. It was very hard. So that's why when when I took my retirement and people ask me. Do you want to go back into this? If I would have fight I would have fights but on my wouldn't work I would not like to fight and go back to that title. Defence titled Defense Idled. I'm past that. I still stressful for me. If I do that if I give him doing this I felt like I was the stress will kill me. Maybe died of cancer or something if I mean it was unbearable. Is there any part of you over the past year and change since you announced her retirement in February two thousand eighteen that misses the stress a little bit? Because when you're stressed you're also a bit alive that those nerves. I don't miss the stress at all. I miss the accomplishment of the of an achievement. You know like I I I miss you know the last step that you take if you tried to claim Montaigne Mount Everest. The last You claim and you made it to the top. And Wow. That's what I miss. I don't miss being being called out. I don't Miss B now in in a promotion to promote my next fight the trash dog back and forth and being stressed about the outcome of upcoming fight. I don't really miss that. I miss you know to be with my training partner trainer ads during training camp. And having dinner you know it's like brother who had these these moment I miss and I would. I would remember for the rest of my life but the stress of the fight itself this endless night without sleeping because you constantly recreating different scenario in your head before before to fight this is insane. It drives me say this. I don't miss at all not at all. Not You know I. I just missed it. The achievement that winning this is fun but it it lasts. Were very brief moment. You know I was talking to jail Sunan recently. He told me that the biggest regret of his career is that he didn't enjoy one minute of his career looking back now he didn't have fun. He didn't smile at all. Do you relate to that? Did you enjoy any of it? I enjoy when I want. I enjoy the freedom that it gives me. I enjoy the scores. The money the woman the Kalari the D- When you're training when you're not preparing for a fight. I love that I love the train. But when you're not preparing for a fight when when you get ready for a fight it's not about. It's not about having fun. It's about performance and that's why sometimes when it become business become performance the fund has gone by one. One you fight after and you win and you have the result that you want now. It's it's fun to have the you know the the achievement in it's a very hard thing to explain for a guy who never for some of them will never competed. And even I talked to many fighters most of guys they really enjoy the process. They're very happy I corner. A friend of mine is a few months ago. You wasn't the locker room very happy. He was like man. I'm so excited to be there and I look at him. I'm like man Europe Psychopath Bro. Your most of the guys. I think they maybe I'm different. But maybe I'm I'm a coward. I don't know I'm scared to death what I do before a fight is. I put a mask. I'm pretending that for me. It's impossible to fail. But this is only a mass. This is not. I truly feel inside. I'm very very scared. I'm not excited I I remember. I've seen I've seen a sports psychologist and the sports psychologists used to tell me George. Stop saying you're a scares you and you're not scare you're excited. I'm like dude. I'm excited if I you know I'm excited if I ever need for three days and I know I'm about tweet my favorite dish I mean I'm excited if I'm seeing a beautiful naked woman. I'm excited if by if it's minus fifteen months y'all and I know next week I'm going in vacation on the beach in a hot warm exotic place. I'm excited I'm excited to go. Fight in the cage against another psychopath tried to kill me. And maybe I'm going to be related. I'm not excited about that. I'm scared I'm just you know I remember different or maybe all guys are liars in the business of fighting. I don't know I was very scared all the time and I think that's that's fair. That's fair may maybe made me sharper made me stronger. Maybe in a way it helped it helped me. What what memories if any do you still have from? You have see eighty three that I show in Montreal. I remember the buzz leading up to. That flight was so great. The city everyone was so excited. The rematch right. You were coming back what you remember about that night man. One of the craziest thing I remember is a is Bruce. Buffer was announcing you were saying in the Blue Connor wearing this this weighing and I couldn't even hear him. The crowd was so loud. I just saw his lips moving. And when you said Jar when zero time to raise the arm or because he introduced you just follow his lips and I couldn't understand him. It was insane. Because it's I felt like I was close to you know. Let's say you're in a in a club and you're close to a speaker in your soul. Crows that you cannot hear anything in filled vibration. It was a crazy feeling. The crowd was so loud. I could feel the vibration like the win. If you do that. You feel a win on your. I could fill that in every inches of my buddy was. It was crazy crazy Evan. Very special moments from you and your family was there. Yes and I fought in Toronto. It was like fifty something thousand people in the crowd in Toronto but the that night that crowd in Montreal. Because maybe it's M- it's a smaller venue. It feels like it was a hundred thousand people to me. It feels even to work if not worse than I would say better at that time. When they introduced me I was scared. I just thought it was a different feeling. You know it was an adverse never felt anything like this before you wore the red guy out to the cage. Was there ever a reason why you picked. Red Lacks types whites any particular reason for that. It was a key that was been given to me in a I'm a karate my first martial artist ready background. United Chill cushy guy in a she'll she'll come Chi and it was a Gita was given to me by a a master in she. Can you know so he gave it to me and I wanted to wear it as a You know for motivation. Yeah it's amazing. Because now you know the fighters and you can't wear their own outfit right. Doesn't that bother you a little bit? That's what made you suspect wearing the headbands Ki- like you take some of the personality away. Exactly it takes away from their show a little bit. You know some guys. I remember it was a good jewell used to come the Predator newest cooler a pseudo at incredible entrance like he was like wearing a costume. I think it makes it makes it for the show wedding. They take away some of the show for the fan doing that. And the personality and the charisma of the fighter. Yes and one thing. I've always wanted to ask you because you did a rape before you walk into the cage. You did the where you licked your fingers and then you rub your nipples. All the Jackson's guys did that. Why did you guys do that? I've never gone to the answer to this. It makes you. It makes you disconnect for a split second. Because you're so stressed Johnny think about this then owe stu I gotta do it. Just make you curse split-second it's crazy. It make you remember to do something that has nothing to do with the fight. So it it slice. It's a little bit and makes you reset a little bit. Who came up with that? I think I'm the one who did I wa. I really okay because then after Rashad did it all the Jackson did it. Well I'm not a I'm not a super. I'm not a superstitious guy. But when something works and you don't have any better you just keep going to do it. Did someone tell you about this or you? You did it on your own. Did on my own I. It's something I am. I mean I it was like I called everybody as this. I didn't know what you just said. I know maybe Russia did at one time. But it's something that help you slice the suspicion you know you're very stressor very it make you make you just say life is not all that you know. You're you're here you're alive. You know via aware that you're here you know what I mean because you're coming off a title laws. I mean you lost to Matt and then you came back and you beat a match. Choose to get the interim title but then you are fighting that again to regain the official belts. Were you more nervous going into that fight than any other your other sites because you had to avenge that loss against the guy that you know everyone thought you should have easily the year before every fight that I add. That was more it was. I was more and more nervous. My last night against Michael thing was worse. Wow I waver I would say in terms of nervousness and be and my My skill of being able to deal with nervousness. The words that I add it was my first fight with Matt us because I was young time and I remember when I was younger. I used to think that the nerves go away with time I will be able to stay more common relaxed. What I've learned with my expert on is that it doesn't go away gets him into worst. However you're still of dealing with gets better because except except the fact that you're GonNa see well the night before to fight and it's normal because you know you're you're getting into what you're getting into when I fought Matt Hughes the first time I remember I couldn't sleep the night before not at all because I constantly make scenario in my mind in every scenario that I might then I made in my mind. It was not a lot of scenario that I saw myself win. You know I was seeing myself lose all the time so I think real hard. How can I come back on up and makes it make a bitter? But I didn't see any was? It's imagery coming out by myself for that fight. You're normally I see myself when I see myself lose it's about I would say seventy Cardi but for the fight with Matt Us. It was thirty seven. He has pretty bad. I save maybe even ninety ninety ten you know so. Mandela was very hard for me to to deal with that nerves of. That's fine because I didn't have the experts that I and I was thrown into a title fight against my idol. At the time it was like a Monday night us was the best guy that at one of the best ones await at the time. You know we used to grind. People slammed him on the ground. I kept potato bag. You know and it was very scary to fight a guy like met us and I had a very hard time dealing with this time. Of course you lost that fight but then you came back sixty five and you finally won the belts. You mentioned the fight and afterwards you reveal that you had colitis you think that the nerves led to the colitis as well not only your diet but the nerves because that could happen right. Yeah I believe so and I believe people as Genetics genetics as genetic associate problems with in my family. I made that tree when at the is like Dna testing and you can see what is in. Your genetic is more problematic and for me. It's the digestive system and I send my thumb. These some people like some of my And the or my grandfather had the conon cancer and things like that or chrome and and for me I think it's because of their genetic and also de-stress. It's a big part of it. Of course the Diet was not very good but what I've done to try to load myself with so much stuff. I think it's a mixture of everything you know. I don't we don't always know the cause of things but I think that's probably what it what it was. Do you have any symptoms now now. It's all gone now I I true. It's of course they had to go on medication. But I I what I did is I. I discover instrumented. Fasting and prolonged fasting. And I changed some stuff in my life like I started to each fermented food and I. I did the intermittent fasting and prolonged fasting hill. Me I don't need any mitigation. It killed me. Forget while could I ask? How much do you weigh right now? I'm same hundred. Eighty five pounds because there was a point. Pictures coming out of you and you're looking very very skinny was. Were you trying to see if you could make one fifty five to see how you could go because I remember? There was some training photos of you. People are like wow gs different. I'm much more leaner now that I that I was even when I was. I'm saying much more. Maybe not much more. But I'm I'm leaner now than I was when I when I was twenty five and. I'm thirty eight years old. I wish I would know passing in front on fessing before 'cause I used to come from that goal chart at all you need your Rotea. Nastier your protein shake you know and things like that but I. I don't believe in it anymore so with this diet do you think you could. If you want to make one fifty five yeah could make one five. Yes I I always good. I'm not a big one. Seventy there has guys I find it. Once every day off season they go to two hundred thousand two hundred pounds. I'm always around one eighty five when I wake up in the morning. One eighty three one eighty two. You know that's that's what I walk around. You know how. How close did the talks? Get with Habib. It didn't go at that time. It was a we. They have their plan and for them it was. I can't believe one hundred twelve that fight. I want it but but the thing is that you have seen if you look under UFC side. It's I think it's normally if I put myself in their shoes. They didn't want to take the risks of me winning the title and author and again because we even proposed. I didn't want it even for the title. I would rather not far. I don't For me it was because I constantly cab right now the best fighter in the world and you want it to me as well so I thought it was a good fan site. No for the fans but they didn't want it now. They wanted they have gone up. Nam FOR CANDYMAN I understand out to lose the investment without fighting their investment. Go goes out after. It's not a good move. You know an away. I could take that as a compliment. Because maybe they saw me as a threat for them. That's maybe they had taught the I could have win the fight if they would have loved. Let me fight in. Maybe it's because they think I would lose so that's more after you were tired after the press conference until today. Have you ever talked to Dana? White? I must have said Hi. I'm would never talk talk about me fighting or anything like this. I haven't talked to him. I don't think I've talked to him as you just wrote me at the very nice tax I'd say because when I retired. I say thank you very much for all goes. You're everything I know we had problems. I'm but it was strictly business and understand. You're the best man at Jordan. If I can do what I did if I have what I have my life right now is as of you because what you did for the sport and not only me all fighters should be thankful to you for what you did in that in that way and you say thank you. You said that you had a great terror. Nobody retire on WTN Graduation it was very nice And even when you had the The press conference in Montreal. Like you still kept the door like a little bit open is fair to say the door is completely closed down. Man It would nee that complete wanted degree. Turn around right now. I'm look sometime. I'm training with the guys. I still get it man I I you know. I'm not in fighting shape and you're you're never in fighting shape when you're not getting ready for a fight because it's like a sprint or sprint. Her in training he doesn't do under and second all your all your around. You does under the on second unspecific time when he beats by an artist. Same darn fight shape when they beat you know because they knew there. There's a fight so I know it will take me much to be in shape. I can still reach that however the fighter is always the last person to know when is when is time to stop you know so in my mind I still think I get it and I I believe I can still be champion is just I duNno. If I'm you know my trainer say yes as I just don't know if I wanted to get back into it. It would need something that interests me or like something happened like from Delhi filled and I never saw it coming. And I'm like man maybe. Yeah let's do it. You know but other than beef. Does anyone else interesting because you know your name keeps getting brought up all the time tomorrow really talks about. Oh all the time everyone says they WANNA fight. You would leave for years. Use Now wants to fight. Use you know a bb when you retired said no please? Let's do this. Is there anyone else? Yes I didn't know that I I mean I watch as there was a fight but I don't watch wrestling for ads and all that drama. Now no I just don't like this I I just like the fight I watched. I watched the fighter. I like to watch find the most. You know there is still any fight. There is almost every weekend now. It's not like a like you used to be used to be like an happening. The card use to be more loaded. Now it's more every week and also there's a few guys that I like to watch that I watch it and never missed their fight like I. You just told me that I didn't know that that's who are some of the guys that you make a point to watch or girls on. I like to watch guys for two reasons. Some are for a skills resulted in some arcor tremblor reason some of my favorites fighter were villains. That were not some of the guy that I like to watch by. The most are not necessarily that guy that are acting like role model. I used to like to. Rt's I used to like. I like and chocolate. Del by Chelsea Shonan relied shells on I thought is trash talking and his fighting skill was brilliant because he used profanity like a lot of the fighter was very smart and I always admire dot. I never was able to do like he did. It was something that I really admire with our promoted. It was insanely good and I liked that. I liked the build up to the fight and fight. Sergey I've goosebumps because you're emotionally involved. That's why that's why chill was good. And I like to see different fighters for different Like Anderson Scorns John Jones. I like to watch him. I like this on your now. I- I I really loved Dominick Cruz. Cabbie OF COURSE CONOR MCGREGOR. You know is he creates a drama. Yeah there's many guys that I love to fight. Say who joe is one of the best side of to see him. Fight that a lot of guys that I don't I don't I never miss their fight because I'm a big fan you know it's interesting that you mentioned Anderson. Today's forty four. Th Birthday in that for a long time was a fight that people wanted to see in. There was some you know flirtation. That might happen if I ask you. Is there one guy that you wish you could have? Fought the you regret? Not Fighting is is the answer to that question Anderson or is it someone else you could be under the sun is just is just maybe I guess the timing and everything was not to get our like. I like going forward to be like a line for for making Thapa. Probably if I if I would have said if I would have wanted as bad as as I would want it for another fight maybe I would have. My theory is is just that I was focusing on being the best wealth away and to have more idle defense to a to make this story. You know but if I would have said I wanna I wanNA find that guy to be dead guy. Maybe the would I would have done. That's we came back after many years of a third floor. More than four years of retirement. One of the big critics that I add is that I never went up. Awake last fight champion that that's one of the reason I did that and It was something I could have done before. But if you look at many guys have done that. Before like Roy Jones. When you go up I start. You cannot go back down and one of the mistake to and I did it against thing is. I thought in my mind if I fight that. Bigger Ma'am I should gain weight to beat big big then after. I realize it was mistake because I should stay the same. You know what I mean off North. The Laws of physics would favor of your guy. Of course it's physic- but heavily if I stay ELTI and the same way that I am my best. I'm at my best right now. Better than if I would try to gain weight Joseph. Yeah Right now. It would be better than your shape. Your who's gaining weight? That's what I believe and I know you're very humble but when it comes to the greatest of all time debate I think the three main people that are brought up are you as far as UFC's concerned you Anderson Silva John Jones. I think those are the three main ones dimitrius Johnston a little bit as well. But the one thing that you have on your resume that they don't have is you don't have any PD infractions right. You never tested positive for Cera. So that's why you're the greatest. Also you avenged. You're only two losses when I say you're the greatest. You agree with me. Honestly in your heart parts you walk around and say. I was the greatest of all time to fight a UFC. Can you say that? I don't think I don't think that I. I don't think there is nobody that greatest let me explain to you. There's three guy is right. This guy will be this guy. This guy will be this guy and this guy will beat this guy. That's how it is in this game. You know like those guys better than him him as better to him as better than him is just a matter of stymying and and everybody can beat everybody at any giving days huts. You'll make ten times most against the top guy. That guy will probably not winning win that. Then maybe it will depending on the situation. You might win nine out of them and Stahl makes fight to. There's guys as your numbers you don't know why they have your number. So it's it's it's not a straight line on. Bam you have to go here or you lose then you come back you know. That's how it is the fight games you know so when you say they have the best of all time. When I was young I wanted to be the best of all time but when I get older and have more experience I realized that it's it's just a Fu gase it doesn't exist. You cannot be the best. The best fighter on the line very will always be one guy that will beat you and it and I know some people who say no. It's not true if you've trained with many different training partner with different people you'll find out it's true you know nurse guide other better than you may be. There are nuts fighting but if you find them in the gym you. Let's say that they're going to beat you. It's like that that's how the world works. You know there is no better a guy there guy and there was always be one guy will have your number will beat you at. That's how it is. Unfortunately there's no better guy. There's any giving day one guy would be better than the other. It went when you fight guy in your champion your champion because you only be that guy that night in and beat it doesn't give you the rights to put you above all the rest of the roster. That's how most people see it. But that's not how I see it myself right now before i. That's how I used to think but now I realize it's it's all it's all illusion he let me ask you this John Jones Conor McGregor very famous flavors. They have had trouble outside of the cage. Right in your Prime Megastar people were saying you were the most famous athlete in Canada in Montreal. You can go anywhere without someone recognizing you. How did you avoid anything like that? Throughout your entire career you never had anything. Negative NO NEGATIVE HEADLINES DRAMA CONTROVERSY. Had it you avoid that because it was so much scrutiny on you. I I really am not a perfect man. I I have my Adler advice however I tried to force myself to be a role model. That's a choice that I made. I made a lot of forty and do some crazy thing but I was fortunate enough to have great people around me that threat and I was able added enough. Click clear would say clairvoyance or awareness to choose. I I wanted to be with. I can be nice to everybody. You don't like I'm nice to everybody but I left inside my life. Come in not everybody I you know I. There's a lot of people that I don't let inside my life. You know. This is very important for me. And I've a small circle that is very small impervious tights and when you start to have a lot of success you know you have to be nice to everybody but you can't let any everybody get comes in you know because some bad people will will pollute you an avid bad influence on you. And of course everybody has vice. Everybody nobody's perfect and I'm not perfect by no mean but I wasn't able to ever brandon. Tumen May Bram that best says I. 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I mean I can't help them. I'm not only a fighter. I know fitness and I'm thinking that maybe next week I'm going to do like a live training with fans forcing some videos. But I've been I've been having a lot of requests of doing a live training. So maybe maybe next week when I'M GONNA do I'm Gonna I'm GonNa do is joining with them. It will be. It will be accessible to everybody. Not only if you're a professional fighter could be also for someone who just wanted to be in good shape. It will have different exercises. That will be different levels of people so maybe next week. I'll do something like that to have fun. That's my way. I think that that I can give back to society in a situation like this. I think everyone is going through a roller coaster. Now sometimes we feel nervous. Depressed happy Uncertain future that makes you anxious do have feelings like that too and if so how do you get over it? I believe that wet. We live now in this situation. We live it's bad for for society and the short term because some people get sick and die. Unfortunately it's very sad but in the long term for humanity or long term for the nature you know I think could be a good thing because he made it make us open or eyes and realize that we're not the master of the universe in a way that small little things like this can affect the entire world and it's small. It's not a big thing you know. Imagine if something bad like bad bad at the night like a forest. There is a lot of a lot of people that die. It's very sad but there's a lot of worse thing than I can happen. You know and I don't let myself the right to complain because fortunately I'm very lucky I can take a hit but unfortunately there's a lot of people have very hard time. They lose their job and everything. But what doesn't kill you? Make you stronger and I'm sure that will come back stronger from from this situation. After they will they will and light and our life in a bit away way when they're gonNA come out of this when you donate at the end of that they'll be stronger. You know a last week a huge story was the UC was trying to put on an event in the midst of this entire sportsworld shutdown right NHL NBA Major League baseball soccer and the UFC tried but in the end they didn't come through with it because the governor of California called Disney. Espn said. No more what did you make of the way that they were handling it. Dana White was very defiant. That we were GONNA put onto this event. Did you think that that was smart for the fighters to fight in the midst of this? There's two ways that you can see. It's I believe there's a way that you can see. Oh it's it's irresponsible because if you do a diet that's means some people will break the law of beans elated but there's another way that you can see that if they do it in a in a good way that people stays the later. I think it was on an island. I I've I've not. I don't know exactly what it is. I haven't checked it could on thirteen revolt. Who are stuck at home and you can give them some. I guess some on thirteen men. I mean I don't know I mean I don't know if there's a way to do it. Well breaking the rules of is elation in a way no if you're in the nylon maybe I guess there is but I don't know I don't know all the success of the project. Would you feel comfortable fighting in the midst of something like this? Well right now I know because right now I'm I'm wealthy. La By if you go back maybe eighteen years ago are like you know like in the old days. I didn't have a lot of money. I would have done anything to be world champion. Anything my friends and I don't know if I would have done it but man hours game to do anything to be well champion at. You know with probably do with blind new without thinking of any of the consequences. I don't know because if you're on an island and you get ready for a fight a lot of this. It's not good to do it like that. Because you're taking out of your natural environment is true but your Europe is on the same boat as you saw your votes. I've the answer gap. So it's not that I want to you or to him your boat having this this sense gap you know. They did this boat. Get Out of your comfort zone. I don't know it all depends how it's done. I've read about it too much to see what was the infrastructure and other project would have been made. I just heard the story but I don't know how it's possible to do that. It would be maybe in a private plane. If I don't I'll have no idea if they are tested before the plane than I have no idea if if there is a witch do it by respecting the government instruction in terms of his elation. Are you getting into more acting? I saw you with an acting coach. Recently on your it's hang more of that. Yeah I'm having acting glass every every week. I've been practicing right now. A lot of my engine and I'm doing big projects and unfortunately off for contractual reasons. I'm not talking about it. What it is but you'll see a big big thing coming up. Okay Wow okay you know. There's a lot of new fans and we'll wrap up with us. There's a lot of new fans out there who maybe didn't see you in. Your prime didn't have a chance to watch those really fights if there's one that you could recommend to them to watch during this downtime. What's the one that comes to mind your favorite fight of yours? They you say if you want to see George Best. Which would you recommend? There's not one fights that I watched that telling myself. Oh that was a perfect. There's always something that I say to myself as a shit. I wish I would have done this. I should have done that but there is fight that I'm way more pride way more than others. Like one of my fight. I'm I own ver- well is. Ti guavas African. Very well. John Fitch I perform very well be Japan performed very well. Nick Diaz mat-su performed very well. Matt used to perform very well tree perform very well as well. And here's the biggest question of the mall to answer a long standing. Internet story came out many moons ago. Is it true that George St Pierre in his prime dated the Great Mandy Moore is a true George? Tell us through a false. Is it true is it was? This was a real rumor. Yes man I'm GonNa tell you the truth again. Tell me Your your another guy that asked me this. And it's it's not true. I I met her but I met. Sorta maybe one or two George Freeth. At one time it was in the restaurant with a bunch of another time was was before a fight. Because you know they know and Lorenzo like to bring celebrities time to meet you before a fight but before a fight. It's it's not a good moment to to meet someone like I remember i. I met Shaquille O'Neal one time before. I think it was before Frank. Trigg as Nice meeting you and I didn't care if I would have met him in the normal situation I would be like. Wow I will let enjoyed more so now. It's not true I I mean I will tell you destroyed. It's not you last thing George. Any positive message to the people people are down right now. They look to your one of the most famous athletes in the world certainly in Canada. You're an idol. Many to many people is there anything that you WANNA stay to the people during this crazy time when it would like to say to them a stay active each well sleep well to to boost your immune system the best you can and respect the advice of the expert and man? What doesn't make us stronger? You know I wanna be going to a very hard time and that when you come out at the end of this year you'll be strong. You'll you'll be ready to because you will be. You will be this situation. You'll be ready to face any situation that I mean it's a crisis and just as strong stay hard and strong in them you will. You will be winner at the end of it. Wise words from the great gs again so great to talk to him. hadn't talked to him in well over a year. I still think he's the man I think he's the goat. I know some people think John Jones and that's fine. People think Anderson Silva Dimitrios Johnson before. It's all said and done. I'd love to see him. Fight Hubby Mogomedov. At one sixty five doesn't even have to be for about it. It could have been like back when Matt Houston Hoist Gracie fought at UFC. Sixty back in the day wasn't for belt. It was a catchweight but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. Unfortunate but he gave us some great memories of great moments of great fights and it was really nice to catch up with him. Now we go from one great in MMA too great in the world of professional basketball. And what I mean Shaquille O'Neal larger than life right. I mean this guy is one of the great icons in the history of sport. I interviewed him twice before once. You've seen one eighteen in Boston right. After he joined the Celtics he was there and got a chance to talk to him and also interviewed him in two thousand fourteen with a UFC was in Orlando has a home there. In Orlando in fact they did. A PRE fight press conference at his house at the gym in his house. It was wild and it was overdue versus Travis Brown that night so it was cool to talk to him and now I got to catch up with him to talk about his love. Them may his new show shack life a little. Nba stuff as well. It was a great time. Enjoy Jack Diesel. How are you sir? I'm doing good. How are you sir? I'm doing really well. Thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate this. I was just a singing your praises for the last five minutes. I don't know if you've heard sorry I'm late of a woodpecker a gut him to one of my tree houses. I was trying to catch them. Did you catch him? No I didn't I was just playing a joke. Oh okay sorry. It was very believable. To be honest you a very interesting life which you have this new show. That's out on. Tnt every Thursday night it's called shack life who premiered last week to a ton of praise and I've enjoyed it immensely. And especially now in this in this crazy time. It's great to have new content than fun things to get our mind off of things. But why I'm here I'm the guy at ESPN and the episode. That's airing tomorrow. Night is very MMA heavy. There's a lot of famous fighters so I can you tell us about the show the concept of the show. What it's all about were. Mma is the is the reason I became a champion You know I always used to practice. Basketball wasn't enough because when I play basketball wasn't basketball it was more wrestling. So when I trained in May with John Burke friend of MINE DOWN IN ORLANDO. I came back in the best shape my life that was in two thousand one dominated so I'm a creature of habit. Did it again was second championship to again. Urge Championship. Got. You got away from it. Law Scott Trade to Miami. Did it again one four chimney show so you know in? May is something I always kept my heart rate up. It was something I was very interested in. I'm physical guy. I like physicality You're talking about athletes. Intimate half is probably the best athletes on on the planet. The training they go through the physical stuff that they go through almost all the top. Ufc fights guys specimen. And I'm sport. I wish I could hit some of those some of those NBA players. I used to play as just like that so definitely been a fan in the night. I was introduced by veto bellport. We were at a camp in a Hawaii and veto comes up behind in Grozny and I'm gonNA. Hey what he don't know how I'm a big fan of just to show you what I do having to fight tonight and veto this dude in a suit and he put down in five seconds. I ever since I became a five and then I met a Dana White and you know Mandela what friends and now I'm able to go to the facility and watch all those specimens train so it's a great thing for and I love him and I so I said. Let me try it. Let me train. I wonder if I had a couple of pro guys. But they were a mattress. Put me against a guy. My size was amateur. He wasn't pro. And I'll I'll let you watch episode to see what happened but listen. I did call Hong Men showing longtime ago. Because I've never fought anyone. Mice is ever since ten years of heard. The phrase pick tomatoes. Pickles does so at the time Kobe go if he was willing to. Outta fought him on. How serious does talks get. How like? How far did you ever actually seriously pursue it? No I just mentioned it a want somebody to come back. Well actually I want to come back and say set up but nobody ever did so It just turned into you know I say some these some of these but I definitely will give it a try so in this episode. You actually said you get your hands dirty you grapple an actual UFC fighter. I don't know if I want to give away the shy giveaway. Who the fighters or should we not say who the fighters? We'll see what happens. But shall we say who the fighter is because people knew? This man is tunnel. Greg Hardy you go up against the former. Nfl Greg Hardy was the strongest guy of Russell Life. Really Oh nice kid. Strong Camilla if we got into it. It'll a long day for me. And he likes to fight like me. He likes the bag and he was. It was actually actually taught me a lot because you know when I go to my little. Grab Them School in Orlando is row. Nobody wants is to go against that. Shrimp and that. It was tough on me. I'm not going to give away what happened. But it's very clear watching that you know what you're doing and like you said you've been a big fan of this for a long time. I'm curious though when you were playing in the NBA when you were in your prime didn't the team's not want you to train in them. A May like I've talked. I've talked to KRISTAPS Porzingis. He's a big Fan as well and he's like other teams. Don't want me to train. Because they have so much invested new. So how'd you get around? That had a couple of clauses in my contract allowing motorcycle. Only thing I couldn't do scuba dive skydive everything else. Do Go to concerts and rave I can do boxing matches. I can play another chair like that so but I couldn't like I said I couldn't scuba dive or skydive and then let's is training. You know they just wanted me to come back and you know some type of plans. Everyone knows I didn't come back in shape because that's not always said to myself who wanted to get ready for. I get ready when I get ready but you know I always used to train train with my hands. You know training a stop. Recently ISRAEL SIGN. You have the the middleweight champion of the UFC. He showed a D. N. That you sent them saying that you set him that he's your favorite fighter and I just want to confirm is he's a truth speaker but did you in fact send us the end but was this. Photoshop doesn't didn't but I have a lot of fighters. He's one of my favorite fighter Francis. Ona mispronounces last night. These guys this year Francis you'll Romero who's a friend of mine is my favorite fighter and isolate the whole school fighters to. I used to love cabbage. Cabbage cabbage crap average tank. Abbott is love all those guys so but yes I did. Send Him him that dad because he's a joy to watch and you know he's done awful sport and the thing about. Mma has every three or four years ago. A person just comes out of nowhere just takes over spoke. Conor McGregor is one of my favorites. So I just enjoy watching these phenomenal athletes perform and so the premise of the show is You WanNa show us about your life but you also have aspirations. Do you WANNA be. I'm not so from. I remember the shack food as like. You're the fish nickens and rap albums but are you. You're into like Dj. Now Right. You're trying to get it the shape for that so you know. The premise of the show is how do you do so much and I said well as simple as it can't be simply due to my so I'm Sean I'm your showing everybody my life and I do but look I've been. Dj Anson's eight. I've been I've been doing shows. Ten Thousand Thirty Thousand Eight hundred thousand. Because you know the concept is always the same if people are gonNA pay money to watch you perform you put on a show. And the reason why he genetics. I miss the show is coming in and seven one and you just missed that. So you know going with these kids and I know what they want to have children so I have like you know internal research at the House on those hot. I know it's not hot or not. Play what not to play so I go out there. Those kids pay the harder money to see the shack show. As I mentioned people are starving for positive content things to get their mind off things. What do you do? I mean because your life is so busy right you do so much not just the TV work as you mentioned you have so many businesses. Do you have moments during this past month? Where everything's shut down where you're starting to feel down and if so how'd you get out of that? I'm sure a lot of people look to you for advice when my thing is. I tried to take in two minutes today to inspire people so me and my kids. We've been having kitchen concerts. We do tick Tock. Data's whatever I can do is just make people smile. It's tough for a lot of main people. Seventeen million people file for unemployment. You know there's a lot of people have lost family members Michael Does and goes out to call new towns. His mom passed the other day. So this is real life for a lot of people. I just tried to make people laugh. I don't I don't sit in my house and say I'm down. I'm down because I'm not really doubt Not just you know just to follow roles continue into social distant but I just you know just trying to make people have to do something. Just have you pick up your fault and laugh a couple of seconds restart. You're thinking you start your battery. I'm happy to do that but I don't sit my house and go. Oh Lois is me no. I can't do that. How do you feel about the NBA? Coming back do you feel like this is something that needs to happen or would you rather them err on the side of caution. Our Rather. Everybody be cautious. And you know Adam silver He's done a great job he was it was at the forefront of you said you know what safety of the players. GonNa Council this thing. I just wish that we will get a definitive date on here. Fourteen days April tenth every may thirtieth so but I our love everyone to be safe. I just wanted to get back to normal. But I'm a guy that follows rules and regulations so you know I'm just sitting back like every other American just you know weightless but often as as a couple young brilliant doctors scientists as you know getting a hold of this thing we could make it up to get the numbers down a little bit. There's been some talk of like holding all the Games in one location Bahamas. Las Vegas has been brought up. Have you heard any of this? And if so do you think that's a feasible idea like to play all the Games in one spot. But I haven't heard from the powers to be so you know crazy thing about the world. We live in now so many information sources. You'll know you know who sang a Lotta information shoe emissions doctrine. So would you sa- back one of the guys that you link up within the show that airs tomorrow and the episode of Air Scenarios Mazda who scored the fastest knockout in UC history? And he shows you the knee. Also one of my favorite voters or Hora forgot to mention your biologists. I like him because to me. There's two different types of fighters right. There's the fighters coming in perfect shape. Nobody fat and then there's the ones that just like to fight like horse. Horror is like when I saw him. I knew it was a fighter but I didn't know he was as bad as he was like. He showed me a couple of movies. And I was like okay. But then when he got on the radio that Actually my first time saying then when he got in the. Rams I while this guy's real I I can tell who's ruins not real so he he's definitely one of my favorites and you know what he did to my. God Oh dear brothers next the Diaz brothers ever since they first came out but Miami IS GONNA be around for a while the thing about you. Is You have a heart of gold and as you mentioned you. Try to Brian People's days. I wanted to ask you about two two famous. Ma Stories that. I found out about you that maybe a lot of people don't know You were at the event in Anaheim last August Nate FOUGHT ANTHONY. Pets on that car. Daniel Cornea another Louisiana Guy. Fun on a card and he lost you. Remember running into him backstage. After he lost he was very emotional. His wife was emotional. You shared some words of wisdom with him. Do you remember this at all. You had to just hugged him. Said great job. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose them but you still champ to me. Nope nope. It's only one guy that's undefeated. Now everybody else has has taken a loss. The only got US undefeated in sport and been a you know started as during the feelings Troy Mayweather. Everybody else's one loss. Got It back so I just Tomasso champ hanging at and and my other favorite shack you have seen moment is when you're next to Max Holloway son when he lost in Atlanta last the almost exactly a year ago and his son was crying. Remember that his dad was just GonNa be traumatic for a kid to see his dad getting beat up and you were there telling him to feel better. That was amazing to watch was there and have children of my own and my kids used to be like that when I lose or when I miss a couple of free throws and people talk about the data such just grabbed his son and said I a monk. Shack you daddy on all right on whereby it when all this is over you make sure you get your daddy hug and tell them you love them so. I was just trying to be a great uncle Tom and can ask you. Are you familiar with John? Jones and the trouble is that he has had. He's considered the best in our sport but sometimes he can't seem to stay out of trouble. No one was more famous than you back in your day and you did a very good job. You lived in a different time. Of course no social media so there weren't as many people watching you. But how did you avoid all that sort of stuff and avoid trying to you know? Get yourself in the Ron rotation. I love John Jones and if he ever needs to talk to me he can call me. I don't want to speak on John Jones. As if I'm holier than thou of never been that type of person. I love John. I don't want to talk about his discretions online. Like this without him being here but John needs to know status. If you need anything from me he can call me. He can text me and I wish into best. I wish you the best at. He's also one of my favorite finalist. But again I'm not gonNA sit here and Zeh Johnson to this Johnson do that. We have too many people doing that. Now you know kicking people were that window down. I'm never going to do that so John if you wash you probably are. You know how to contact makes you. WanNa talk about it in a day. Always every breath much respect. Can I ask you? A lot of people are excited about the Chicago Bulls documentary. That's coming out starting on On Sunday Do you remember that season? The ninety seven ninety eight bulls. You're playing with the Lakers. Played them twice one game. You were out the second game you play. Do you remember playing that particular both team. Of course I do. We won't be loss. Yes No. They're hard to be. You Know I. I finally revealed that when I got the league I was terrified of Jordan because the reason why I was terrified because as a kid is like you're watching guy now you're on the same core with God and all of a sudden that he was doing I was a kid is true. You can fly. He can bump you in a hair still being air. Come out layup is. He's in perfect condition. His jump shot his crazy. If he steals the ball break all the fans are going to stand up. He's going to talk about everything. I was seeing when I was a kid. Really True Lila guys. Oh you're not I saw you on TV. But now that I'm here. You're not really that good but with him. Everything you saw as a kid was true but once I got over that talk to you know play. Play out a little better but that team to win seventy two a new as here. Yeah but you guys actually beat them. You beat the last Nj Bull's you beat them by twenty five one of their worse losses of that season in February that year. Nineteen Ninety eight and afterwards. I why is that the Yes afterwards? Mj said someone asked him. You think you'll see these guys in the finals. And he said I don't know about them. We'll be there. I'm not sure if they'll make it Indian. You guys didn't make it to the finals that year but it actually got me thinking. I feel like the three peat Lakers. I'm not trying to make a heartache here. But the three Peat Lakers. Would it be those bulls in their prime grow easily wise because I would kill Mook Longley? Bill when Cartwright so factor is me and my frequent. Shoot so okay. Another question is our Lakers problem in Chicago. Who Israel Jackson wit? Is he with us? I think he's with them because he was with them first so he would have tried to hack a shack. They would so the I I still have twenty eight twenty nine but the key would have been free toast so you know me as always fifty fifty off and on I've been on. We went off those but you know. I love how these conversations they would do that but I I could strictly sat. I think we'd be well the one common denominator from all those those six finals were. They always play teams with week. Centers Right Lebron Louis Greg Ostertag right you know like Duckworth. The Lakers that bloody devotes was they never played a dominant center so that Kobe would have been on so I actually. I think that this is a very legitimate argument. I thought I know people say I'm crazy now but I think you guys are going to beat them. Even when Harris has coach also himself down here for a while have great knowledge of sports. I you know I appreciate your hard worker really do wow thank you. I thought you didn't know who I was shit. Stop it I'm just. That's why that's why I agreed to do this interview. Why I won't keep you anymore. Let me ask you one last thing. Check your your ass. Recently your favorite sports moment involving you you said of course two thousand Western Conference. Final the The the bright but as a as a fan not involving you were you were just a fan. Rooting is one. That comes to mind gruesome time. It was a moment that made me want to become the NBA player. 'cause I was a medium level juvenile delinquent I was more into football warranty people right. That's what I was okay. It was two moments so John. Koech saddened big contract. Then I really started focusing on basketball. My father takes me to a gay Madison Square Garden. We're sitting on top. I know who Dr J. is? He's smooth I liked him. 'cause he's smooth he goes baseline and throws it down. Crowd goes crazy. That's not looking at you know. This is what I WANNA do when I get older so so shocked DR J. Because when he went based on the crowd went crazy and she's like all the basketball angels. I know my body right that I just Kinda got scared and on some of them felt before I went home and I stopped practicing and you know I just really became good and just you know stuck with it. So that's probably my answer. Shot Onto Julius erving creating the character check. How about that? The Great Shaquille O'Neal knows who I am. I can die and go to heaven. What a life unbelievable again. I watched shack life. It's a lot of fun if you're looking for something to do Thursday night nine pm. Eastern and Pacific on TNT. Lot of fun especially. If you're not even Emma may fan you'll joy but if you're in MMA fan you'll really enjoy because you'll see some familiar faces like Maswadeh kill Harrison. You'll see Francis Guy New Greg Hardy and it all leads to a grappling match between him and Greg Hardy so Do Check it out and I appreciate him hooking me up also appreciate Roy Carp. Who's the executive producer of the show? He's been very kind to me over the years Put me on the thirty for thirty. I Hate Christian. Lighteners produced the RIC flair thirty for thirty and has a bunch of stuff in fact he is the producer of Dana White's looking for a fight. Great guy he hooked me up. He's producing that show and it was really nice to work with him on this so again. Thank you to shackle the team for doing that. And also be sure to check out the last dance. That's premiering on Sunday on. Espn ten part documentary series on the Great Chicago Bulls Dynasty and in particular their final season together. The ninety seven ninety eight bull's team which Eventually beat the Utah Jazz. Great stuff produce my good friend Jason Hair. I have a lot of good friends another good friend. Tst Time now for everyone's favorite segment of the week let's hit GST's minimalist tip of the week. Food Area AWANI. How are you sir? I'm doing well. Tst How are you? I'm doing great. I have relocated. I am now being a minimalist New York rather than Connecticut. I'm from upstate. New York's currently have made a makeshift studio in my childhood bedroom. I hell computer which is serving as my recording device currently on a mini fridge which is serving as my desk. And I'm sitting onto pillows. Now you're with your family over there. Yes are they minimalist as well? They are not now day. They are distancing themselves for social reasons right now and then also for philosophical reasons. They also distance themselves from their not minimal settle. What do you mean? They're not in the house? No they're in the house bill. They're making me wear a mask. And they're spraying me with disinfectant spray everywhere. I go there already. Following me around this can l. My Gut would be fair to say. They didn't want you to come. They wanted me to come because I'm their son and they WANNA see me. So they'll take on any circumstances but they're definitely very weary of that. I have been more places than they had. Lord the past few weeks. Yeah you've been a little reckless be honest reckless there. I've been going to parks. I've been made basketball with friends. I've been timing. That's just ridiculous Is it fair to also say that you kind broke like you know we were talking about you needing that social interaction feeling lonely? Did you feel like you had to get out of Connecticut? Yeah definitely fair to say I think I was just kind of getting tired of being holed up in one space. I'm very much a big on heaven change of scenery and I would just have no change scenery being up in my space or in my space being in there all the time I just need to get out just for a few days to kind of losing a little creative muscle and was starting to get a little unmotivated Rare for me. I needed need to change my outside environment to change. Man's environment you know. Of course I can totally understand that and I think it's a good idea to go back home with your family. Be around them. Changing environment have a little more at your disposal right. I'm assuming they have furniture and things that you could sit on. So that's probably food as well so that is good by the way shutout to one lens in China. Who said be a instagram story last week and I believe I wanna make sure this is. This is a woman I just want to make sure. She writes a week late but following. Tst's minimalist tip of the week and it was a picture of her donating blood. How about that? You're inspiring people to donate blood. I love to hear that. Can I get a mention the week here? You know it would be anti Mench to congratulate ourselves. That's not a mentioned like thanks that we can't you know a lot of people said to me. Hey things for so many people want you ever include yourself. It's just not the mench like thing to do so someone else wants and certainly to request the mench inaudible very much like things so you know. I can't really do that now. That you've asked for it but I've got a tip of the week you so I've got it and this is a great tip for people who are holed up all day if you really want to embrace minimalism. This is like an amazing first step and I cannot take credit for this. Let me preface this. This is a a tip that I got from the online community. These guys Josh Melbourne and Ryan a team to be exact so areas. Do you know what packing party is? I do not okay so a pack and party. What you do is if you really want to figure out what is essential and I think that's what we're all doing right now out. What is essential whether it's essential workers. Essential that you need to get through. The this is what will help you figure out what's essential. Basically you pack up everything every little thing big small in your home into boxes you act like you are moving Says this is a great activity to do while you have nothing to do because this can take up an entire debt you pack up everything and then you start pulling out things from those boxes as you actually need them for your day to day activities so basically you're asking yourself questions. Do I need this thing so much that I'm willing to go into a box in graduate? Go through work where it's baby on the bottom of the box you have to dig for it and the Navy if you can ask the question again like you know what. Maybe I don't really need it that badly. Then maybe relies on large level. That really don't need it at all so by the time you're doing this packing party. You're you're seeing you if you do it for two weeks. Three weeks diarrheal. At the end of it you'll see. Okay what have actually pulled out and what I would have. I left in the box and the stuff that you leave in Boston. Kinda realize they don't need this at all. Maybe I don't need as much as I think I did. So if you want to really get rid of stuff really find out what is important what you use what you don't use what you might never use yourself a little pack in court. I have a really hard time getting rid of things like I will admit to this and probably I'm the antithesis of minimalist my wife and I argue about this. I don't WanNa throw away any of my kids projects you know. My daughter will scribble. It's I wanNA throw any of it. I think it's all bad luck and I want to cherish them and put them in a pile of someone I I just WanNa have them and my disposal so all of this is just a lot to handle for me right now. Kay I'm very emotional right now and the idea of doing a packing party the craziest thing I've ever heard it's it's radical it is radical. I mean I I bet there's bad like I have a hard time getting rid of clothes. It's up because they don't want to help people it's just I haven't emotional attachment. I get very sensitive like my kids closed. Note don't get rid of that. We one time went to the park and he was wearing that. And it's stupid. It's dumb I admit it but it's the kind of person I am. It's understandable. I mean I think all of us and even minimalists do we have emotions. We are not averse to having emotions. We have emotional Things but as you get better at it Flexing that muscle learning muscle over time. You just kind of learn to detach emotions from possessions realize mementos memories. The memories aren't with the things themselves whether you and you can't rely on the deep. That was the yes and that was. Tst's middle's tip of the week brought to you by. Modell said the gold standard for authentic Mexican beer since nineteen twenty. Five modell brute those were they fighting spirit by the way. I was thinking a lot about what you said a couple of weeks ago regarding photos and whatnot. The maybe the craziest thing you've ever said on like to get I mean those are precious. You sit around you reminisce like the baby. Yeah but you can't do is the same you can't sit around and just like going your phone and things like that. It's not the same. It's not same. That one really stuck with me. I've been thinking about that. A lot of like this guy is out here trying to kill our memories that you are trying to rid people of good moments in their lives. I'm positively aerial and that's why I have these two great reviews for you. Orion reviews all right so the first one comes from Francia drinking guy interesting brands yet. Five stars titled Don't Cut Interviews Short S podcast by ESPN John and maybe overall keeping on longer don't disrespect fighters by asking them to come on. Then tell them to leave because of ESPN producers. This one's view. Wani and shutouts yesterday. Miss you on Buster. Show where we knew us well so you were famous in a previous life and previous podcast as well. Yeah yeah I left the baseball world come under the world? Did Buster give you this much airtime though? Actually we a lot. He let me talk about fresh Texas Rangers. I kind of played the role of like deranged. Texas Rangers fans similar to have now. How deranged Colby Covington Fan Base pod interesting And by the way as far as the links at the interview I mean you know how I feel corporate jake. That's the core project. The reason why we call U T S era. What else you got. How high fifty two has started view called? Dc in Hawaiian is the best who des. We're looking to spruce up your morning. National radio shows or prime time on. Espn THEY GET DC in Hawaii on their love to hear them for three hours in the morning on the radio or even better our spot at five pm et on ESPN television every day. Yes I agree. I think that one of the loan positive byproducts to come out of this whole pandemic is the birth of DC. And I'm a big Fan of these guys lot together. I'm a big fan of DC. I didn't know much about him before he started working with them but obviously great. You're willing to throw him in all time. Great Conversation Great Guy and I love our and he's also a fan of minimalist he is. He's very interested in your movement. Actually you didn't know about this but someone sent me a really Nice Message. Someone named Caluzzi CO L. US easy. I J two wrote this to me. This is honestly the best thing in the world right now referring to DC IN HAWAII AERIAL. You've single handedly. Kept me from sinking back into depression. Dark places I couldn't be more thankful for the work you've done during this pandemic never turn my back on you like Rowzee and others yes. We'll be forever dead to U. N. D. C. Thank you very much more than stick with us. We will be here with you by the way Did you ever watch? Gsp fight before now. Any of these recommended fights you've given over the past few weeks. I'd I haven't even given second watching. That is crazy to me. Can you do me a favor It's very easy to find. Just GO WATCH. You have cad. Three George saint-pierre Metzer because the anniversary is next Tuesday. So it'd be timely. If we could talk about it next week just watch it and try to get a sense. 'cause they if you find the clip and it's very easy to find and I could tell you where to find it but you could go a million devices but the the build up. That fight was great. The atmosphere the buzz in Montreal was electric. It was just very specials. Could you do me one favor and watch a classic? Gop fight for me. Only if you agree to take me to fight island. Listen tried island zoo for boxing. Let me tell you how Wanna. Boxing is more real than those things. You know what I'm saying. How Lonnie boxing joined the movement? Baby get the ball get out there. Stay fit that. Give me some props for that some proverbs. I've been trying to get people to be active. We got a lot of people and by the way. I have an announcement regarding boxing. They'll be coming later on this week. We're GONNA be doing a lot of good things so I'll leave it at that but let's just say Colajanni. Boxing is a lot more real than other people think. Okay all right. We are at a time. Thank you great to talk to you as always be safe out there with folks let me know how it is. Read the Cross Gates Mall. I Love Cross Gates Mall Shoutout to Albany the good people in what does that West now. South Western central New York Central New York I believe right chantal upstate. All right fine yes. You'RE RIGHT WESTERN EUROPE IS BUFFALO CENTRAL IS SYRACUSE UPSTATE. Albany on route to my hometown of Montreal. I think it's the I eighty seven. I eighty seven. That was the thing to do when you're eighteen years old and could legally drink headstrong Montreal. Amen God blessed Great City of Montreal that has produced. Gs All right at a time. God bless you all. Thanks for listening. Thanks downloading thanks for subscribing for commenting. Thanks for reviewing. Please continue to do it or tried our hardest from you here and we love you very much. Stay out there. We'll talk to you talk.
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"It's just something about seeing your software do something in the physical world at the end of the day. This is innovation now bringing you stories behind the ideas that shape our future. Getting a robot to move is all about solving some problem you have. What decisions will the robot need to make to solve the problem? What data will be needed to make those decisions Jean Pierre de la. Is a robotics systems engineer at NASA jet propulsion. Laboratory his job is to create and test the complex algorithms and operations software that allow robots to do what they were designed to do. So being algorithms is sounds fairly dry, but you gotta think about it that once you're on the field, and you see a robot move. It's really moving because you've created that algorithm. You've implemented that software. You've tested and debugged at a new worked with other people. To make that happen, and it's almost like you're seeing an algorithm that you've developed or an idea that you've had come to live. These robots come in all sizes and shapes, and can be used in space, exploration or terrestrial applications. Maybe at first that will work, but you'll go back and you'll make changes to the rhythm or software. Test again eventually you'll have your robot moving through the world for innovation now I'm Jennifer hope innovation now is produced by the National Institute of Aerospace Through collaboration with NASA and is distributed by w HR V..
Karine Jean Pierre explains why Trump will have an asterisk next to his presidency forever
"You're listening to the Dwarf and I'm your host Scott. Working my guest today is corrine. Jean-pierre THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK. Moving forward a story of hope artwork and the promise of America a memoir that provides a roadmap for activists who wants to get involved in twenty twenty and how to fight the ups and downs of politics. Cream started in politics later in life but her meteoric rise for the daughter of Haitian immigrants to political force and MSNBC regular is an inspiring story a truly American story. Her Book is a story of motherhood of resistance and really a galvanizing tale about overcoming rejection. And Finding your inner motivations before we begin. I'd like to ask you to take a minute to visit. Meet the candidates. Twenty twenty dot com and check out my book series about four of the top Democratic candidates for the twenty twenty nomination. We recorded this interview with Green Jean-pierre late last year. But it's every bit as relevant today as it was then if not more relevant in this critical election year. Take a listen. I'm here with Corinne. Jean-pierre who's a senior adviser national spokesperson for move on Dot? Org trine is also an Obama lung and political campaign organizer and activist and a political commentator. Who you've probably seen on MSNBC. She's got a new book out called moving forward a story of hope hard work and the promise of America Corinne. Thank you for joining me today. Thank you having me. Scott really appreciate is my first time being on your show. I'm psyched to talk talk about my book. I'm I'm thrilled Able to come on today and obviously your your new book is an autobiographical Memoir Can you start by giving us a little taste of what's inside the book and sharing a story with our listeners? About maybe what propelled you to dive in the world of politics in the first place? Yeah absolutely so. The book is part memoir and part a call to action in a memoir. Basically telling my life story. Clearly I'm more is but my story is unique but also like many others. I am an immigrant. My parents are immigrant. I grew up in New York and my parents were born in Haiti. But my story is basically how I came to this country and had ups and downs. Try TO FIT in in America like many many others and what my trials and tribulations and how I overcame those things and the other part is how I got into politics kind of laying out a blueprint of how I got into politics. And also the call to action really encouraging people to get involved in as twenty twenty gets closer and closer and the importance of being politically engage and not sitting on the sidelines. And how we can't afford to do that. A story that I like to tell is you know I got into politics really late in life and what I mean about that is most people. They know by the time that they're eighteen. Nineteen or in college running for some sort of of political club. And I'm not that person you know I came into politics. When I was in my mid twenties I was in Grad School and I never thought I would go to politics. I mentioned that my parents for from Haiti and they grew up in a dictatorship so politics for them to them with corruption and if they thought it was really dangerous so when I told them that I was going to do that they were. They were not excited about it. I grew up being told I was going to be either a lawyer. A doctor or an engineer. Because that's how my parents taught success. That's how they believe because the American dream and so I for me it was gonna be after all. You're going to be a doctor. You're going to be a doctor and then when that workout. I have to find myself. I have to figure out who I was and I had really. Great Mentors At Columbia University. Which is wearing David N Dinkins is a former mayor of New York City. First African American mayor. I had a professor. Ester Fuchs was at the time when I was starting Grad School. She was in senior adviser for Michael Bloomberg and they with others. The were became mentors of mine and I also had this really important. Transformational chip had never been to Haiti. Before I went for the first time and that kind that changed my my outlook and what I wanted to do for others and for for the community and how I really wanted to be part of making change via policy and legislation right and it's so regards to the book. What was the driving factor in wanting to write this book in particular now? Well many many fact I think in the back of my mind. I've always wanted to write a book because like I said I had trials and tribulations ahead ups and downs in my life and I always thought man if I could tell my story and help someone out help one person. It would make their life so much better because when I was growing up within a lot of representation. There wasn't a lot of people like me. You know black women who were either on TV or who were impolitic. They're just not many of us and so I thought man. I wish I could could help anybody who Who was looking for that? Who was hungry to have to see some representations so that's one reason I wrote the book and then in the past almost three years this anti immigrant sentiment that we've been hearing from the White House from the president of the United States has been so daunting and so ugly even went after Haiti and saying along with African nations that Haiti and Africa nations and were as whole country and so or people from their countries and he only wanted people from Norway and what he did at the border separating kids from their families and the way treated people were treated at the southern border. I mean all of these things. Maybe want to write a book about what it means and what. It's like to be an immigrant in this country because immigrants really wants to be part of the fabric of America. You know they come to you for the American dream. The allusive American dream for many of them they stayed some of them have been here for a decade like my parents still live check to check. So that's another part of it another Another layer is. I have a five year old then. I wanted my daughter to know that. Would she gets old enough to get a sense or ask way what were what were you doing. During during the time of Donald Trump's administration I want her to be able to to see. I was part of this resistance. I fought I use my voice to make different. And so that's all of it. All of it just really late heavy on me. And that's why I wanted to write a book and I saw you on the front lines. I think was I when we met in December Two Thousand Sixteen. It must have been outside the makeup room or something. Msnbc IN DC And that was the frontlines of the Russia's stuff where we were questioning did Russia even attack the United States. Like so. It's come a long way since since that moment but in your book if there's one key theme or idea that you want people to take away after reading it what is it. Yeah so basically My dedication to the book I thought about it. You know when you usually dedicate your book. It's a big deal right. Some big big thing that you do and I thought I would to the women of in my life and give their my thanks to them and then I thought about it. I had actually written it to be that way and then I thought about it and I said no no what I want to dedicate this book to everyone. Who's been told no everyone who's been rejected? Anyone who said you know you're not gonNA make it in life because of X. Y? And this book is for you and I hope this book inspires you and motivate you and that I think encompasses the entire book. It tells my story. Yes it tells the ups and downs. Yes it talks about how I got to the Obama White House. It talks about the immigrants story but also talks about a minute also like I said encouraging people to get involved in how the moment is now to win. We're looking at twenty twenty but is also talks about how when you're knocked down you can get back up. You know there is a way to get out of where you are in life. You know if you feel really really in the dark place or you feel like things are not going away you can get to the other side of that and so that's it. That's what I want my book to do if it changes one one person's life or touches one person's life I think the book would have been successful me. Have you tried anchor dot? Fm There are new podcast host and we chose them because of their goal to democratize podcasting anchored gives everyone a chance to use the same tools that we use to make their very own podcasts. If you're a resistor who wants your voice heard try anchor dot. Fm Today find out more about the candidates. Twenty twenty. My New Book Series Of voter guides authored by working report producer. Grant Stern. It's the only place you can read my opinion and a factual portrait of each major Democratic candidates in one place by the book. Now at the link inside this episodes notes at grant stern dot com or your local barnes and noble. Thanks again for your support. Let's get back to the show so proud to know you when this happened in early June you made national headlines. A male protestor jumped on stage at the big ideas conference comments by move on And the man attempted to confront Senator Harris who is a major candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. A you stopped him. Stood in between What was going through your mind when he rushed the stage. You know there wasn't any fear for my life when I stepped in. It was basically fear of him hurting her because I thought to myself. Here's a black woman who's sitting to my left. Were were onstage. There's three women of color on stage. We're having a conversation We are living in the country. That's incredibly divided and the rhetoric is is incredibly ugly and I thought. Wow this person. This man that's jumped onto the stage could hurt her and I just went into protective mode. I can't really explain it. It was I saw it. I thought it was bad. I stepped in and protected her and it wasn't until afterwards that people were like. Wow that was crazy endangers. What were you thinking that I actually processed it and thought about it a little bit more and It was just my instinct and I have to tell you Scott. I've talked about this before in other interviews. The thing that really got me is what that moment meant for women or women of Color Black Women Women inch just women that this man in all of his privilege stepped on stage while women were speaking it triggered many women because they feel that they've they feel that almost every day in their life and the responses that I got from women after that was pretty amazing. Just started a whole different. Conversation is the natural campaign the because I used to be a body man for head of people said that you are. Your political aide. Clearly political staffer standing in between anybody. I'm sure you've experienced the Obama part of things where people are handing business cards everywhere. You trying to collect everything. I mean in different elected officials that I've traveled with an had to body over time and fundraise for It's just it's something that that's I. Think it really just describes your character in a nutshell and when the push comes to shove you show up and it just was natural yes. It was dangerous. But that's not you thinking about yourself and I think that's just the fines you. I remember shortly after texted or something in you mentioned that you had with. It wasn't any fear and and I think that's one of the things is we don't think about some of the things that were doing while we're doing them and then we look back and we're like while I was a little bit. There's a little bit crazy a is i. Was you know heat of the moment or whatnot but I was. I was really proud to know you at that moment. And I think Thank you as a white. Wait male privilege Who's grown up that way in in places like that It was it was disgusting to see someone. Try and take the stage like that but it was amazing moment in time and I'll never forget that Here's a two part question for you. What are your thoughts about the houses impeachment inquiry trump and in part to? Do you think dem's will ever peel away? Republicans like Lindsey Graham of the world who refused to even read the evidence eerie transcripts when they're unfavorable to their guy in the Oval Office. Yeah I think Lindsey Graham far gone. I don't know if I don't I don't know if he'll if he'll come back from whatever Whatever dark dark deep sunk in place they then right now I'll say this look. I think the Democrats are doing a fantastic job on the impeachment inquiry. And what I mean by that is they. They turned it into a fair process. They've been completely transparent They have not made it political. Even though impeachment is is is a form of a Political Act And now that we're going to have. The public hearing is going to be interesting to see the public opinion. Because right now we're the public opinion is before impeachment is historic how quickly it's moved where we are currently republic opinion on impeachment. Being that people are are good with impeachment inquiry you have almost fifty percent of people who are saying they want to see the president impeach- and removed. I mean that is something that That who would have thought six months ago we would be even in an impeachment one hundred one hundred days away from Iowa Caucus Twenty twenty right around the corner and so that's why I feel hopeful. I don't think we're going to probably will not impeach and remove the president but I do think it may there may be some bipartisanship down the down the line and I think they have to do their constitutional duties meaning Democrats in the House. They have to continue moves. Forward keep it a fair process keep it transparent having public hearings. Will I think make a difference as I just stated and we cannot have a president who believes he is above the law is this is not what what the constitution says This is not what our democracy says and let's not forget. This is a president who asks for help from a foreign government to interfere in our election. You know this is a free and fair elections. I mean that is the cornerstone of our democracy. And without that do we have you know Mexico. Lucy always quoting that line. Do we have a democracy? Oh monarchy you know what are we and. That's a real question that we have to ask in this moment and so I think Democrats need to keep doing what they're doing the Publican. The public opinion is on their side. And I think Republicans are is on the wrong side of history this morning trump goes out and he. He says that this should not have public. Impeachment hearings. These fully against. Why do you think he did that? Because he knows he's a He is a TV reality personality. He knows he knows what it means to produce. And the visual of diplomat after diplomat after diplomat coming before the country putting their hands up and You know reading the oath swearing in and saying you know they are going to tell the truth and nothing but the Truth Right. And he knows as someone who likes to produce the news himself and produced. What's out there in the media? Every day he knows what that's going to look like people are going to be glued to the television. They're going to want to hear what these folks are saying And for someone who's in that business of entertainment. He knows what that is going to do. The him whereas public opinion is so have moved historically so quickly and at the level that it is without public hearing. I mean we're we're we're at. The numbers are where they act without people. Really seeing anything without with just you know kind of a little bit of knowledge of what people have said now. The transcripts are being released and we have a better sense of what people said are saying In these hearings. What will happen? When public when you see the actual human beings sitting there recounting their story telling their true. That is going to be great. Tv as he likes to see it right. It's going to be wonderful. Tv RATINGS ARE GONNA be high as he was thinking to be. 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And I think Americans people who care about the future of this country voters People who have to make a real choice listening year from now where they see this country going. The future of this country have to make a real choice in twenty twenty. And how are they going to vote? Where will they land on this? This is it if we have another year another four years of Donald trump if you're not white male and rich. I don't know how we're going to survive in this country with the with the President Donald Trump. So we have to make a decision and that's going to be his future right there. The book is moving forward. A story of hope hard work and the promise of America a Korean. Where can people follow you on twitter? Good is fine Mr Twitter King. God I love your twitter. You're awesome K. Underscores Yawn peer And also K. Underscores Zone Piero instagram. Please follow me and love to talk to people and Thank you for listening. I hope you buy the book. It's a great book. 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The People vs. Pierre Romain
"This podcast contains adult content in language. Something all of a sudden mind, you know, try to convince that jury. Charged with first degree murder in the killing of j Clarke Pierre romaine was given a choice. The Los Angeles district attorney's office offered him a deal that could result in in spending. No more than four years in prison. If he pleaded guilty to manslaughter with the use of a firearm. It was a sweet deal, and it came at the end of long negotiations that started with remain saying he wanted probation. Despite DNA evidence witnesses and wiretaps lined up against him romaine thought he saw daylight. Out on bail and free. He took his time with his decision and filed his son's college football career for a season before deciding to call the prosecution's bluff, he said, no deal. In effect. He was saying to the police and prosecution bring it on if you think you can convince twelve jurors I did it then bring it on. Romaine seemed to be acting like a man who somehow knew the secret time, locking the Justice system delay your day in court and then delayed again as the years and even decades went by the system would grow weary of you. And the case would only grow weaker the resolve of the system would eventually falter, and you might walk away from murder as a free, man. At least that is what it seemed like with Pierre. Roaming. He seemed to think you invincible he turned down the plea bargain, which to me was a bargain in all senses of the word simply change lawyers again. And once more reset the case, a move that guaranteed at least another two years of delay. Gang member turned police officer was clearly calling systems bluff, it was like he was saying you're afraid to come and get me and take me to trial. And that may have remained the case if it were not for a detective and a prosecutor and a judge. The detective was wrecked. Jackson who had been on the case since the night in nineteen eighty-seven. The Jay Clark was fatally shot during a carjacking. The prosecutor was John Lewin. The so-called king of coal cases who is recruited by Jackson to push the case forward and the man on the bench was less Angeles. Superior Court Judge Larry Pau fiddler who presided over the case for years and head run out of patience. It was Lewin who finally called remains bluff and stopped all pleading ago, she aviation's he started lining up as witnesses and making motions for trial. Finally after more than ten thousand days had passed since the killing of j Clarke jury selection began in the trial of Pierre remain. Prosecution was ready to roll it had their key witness as well as DNA evidence and wiretaps that seemingly Caspian remained as a gangster with a badge, the Pierre Romain and his defense attorney had used the passage of time to his benefit and they would steer his defense in a direction that would only be possible. Three decades after the murder. This case was anything, but a slam dunk. This is chapter five of the telltale bullet. I'm Michael Conley? And this is murder book. This wasn't assault. Fence cases was a carjacking on bat. I don't look like the murdering tight you just don't the police aren't trust me. They're still arrest me. But now here we are, of course. So I wanna tell the real story, and that's the truth. Murder book is supported by stamps dot com. Get a special offer that includes a four week trial, plus free postage and digital scale. Good a stamps dot com. Click on the microphone to top of the homepage type in murder book one word murder. Book is brought to you today by Mojo and books, publishers of Bluebird Bluebird and by ring ring helped you stay connected to your home anywhere in the world with a video doorbell. Motion activated floodlight Cam the starter kit has everything you need to start building. A ring of security around your home. Go to ring dot com slash murder book. Before we go on with the case. I have to make a quick correction on episode for murder book, I interviewed Dr David Spiegel about the hypnosis and the resuscitation of Clifford Phillips in the case as a witness. Well, I mistakenly called Dr Spiegel psychologists he is actually a psychiatrist with a medical degree which made his credentials in this matter even stronger, anyway, I apologize for the air. And let's get back to the case. Remains you that word? Session. For a case that took thirty years to get to trial. A lot happened in the months leading up to the familiar drum roll remain seated and come to order both the prosecutor and defense attorneys stood before judge fiddler. We're just the latest to come through the revolving door of lawyers assigned to both sides of the case on the district attorney side, John Lewis was no longer representing the state despite the ten years he had put into the case. The king of coal cases had been tapped for the headline grabbing murder case against Robert Durst. The subject of an HBO documentary and many other media reports who was accused of killing three people in three different states, including one person in. Los Angeles County, Lewin could not prep in try to cases at once. And so the powers that be in the DA's office put him on Durst, replacing Lewin with Tanaz Mikhail also veteran trial attorney in the district attorney's office. Petite and quick to wear her emotions on her sleeve while in court MCI, specializing complicated. Murder cases and easily slipped into the case Lewin had been building. We. Time. We all that officers that we don't kill. At the defense table. Next appear remain was attorney Winston McKesson a veteran trial lawyer who had defended former LAPD officer Raphael Peres the key figure in the rampart division scandal that tore through the department in the late nineteen ninety s. Handsome and dapper married to a prosecutor McKesson 's presence was a hint that the defense strategy might be the put the LAPD and his investigation on trial. All the people looking for. Judge fiddler is a veteran judge who had recently presided over the murder trials of music producer, Phil spector, and other significant cases before that he's a no nonsense jurors who likes his courtroom the run smoothly and on time. He would be frustrated on both counts during the Pierre remain trial, just as he would be frustrated by some of the witnesses who took the stand. I'll be honest. You you. See this. By the way, that was a police officer the judge said that too. But let's start this off into beginning. With opening statements to Nasr Mikhaylov, the prosecuting attorney went I. Is a sad case that will show you team with senseless violence. Of with gang motives and with gang motive operation. You will hear in this case about a robbery? Gone wrong and much more. You will hear in the defendant's own words. What this case is about. The Coyote played a three seconds snippet from a wiretap that she said was a recording romaine referencing the man he had shot. League shot. Snip? It was a risky move. Because it's not clear what exactly romaine said clearly believe romaine was referring to the man I shot while the defense would later insist he said it was a reference to the man who got shot. Putting the I shot got shot question out there. The prosecutor seem to be willing to let the jury decide. Continuing your opening statement, the prosecutor outlined the evidence she would present from the wiretap phone calls to DNA evidence. That irrevocably tied remain to the murder. She called the murder ambush motivated by the nice car j Clarke drove Anna, similarity to the one that was total by Romains friend during the Lakers parade day accident just two weeks before. But when it was McKesson turn to address the jury, he begged to differ tall, and almost folksy and his manner McKesson seem to always be trying to connect personally with the jury. Now who say this unqualified? How you will hear no evidence could miss appear romaine EV confessed for millet to committing this crime. What she didn't buy. To kind of ethnic when you listen to the whole balance. You see every judge. Denies doing this. I didn't do and he explains what little new heard we're going to show you that. In fact, what said is the nigga got shop. And that's the always thing that's gonna make sense when you hear the balance of so next year. Listen to the whole. This was not having to deal with Guinness. A game. The DNA was found on the bullet. One eight seven. Wasn't news thirty and it's not him. The burden of proof is always on the prosecution MCI began with the basic building blocks of the case. I witness was deputy medical examiner gave testimony about Jay Clark's autopsy and a gunshot wounds that killed him. Next. She questioned a witness named James Ryan who lived a block west of the spot. Where j Clarke was shot Ryan happened to be a newspaper reporter who had just finished working the late shift that night and was still awake. He put his reporters observation skills to work after hearing gunshots. Retired. Now, he testified that he heard the shots at about two AM on the morning of June twenty twenty-ninth and went to the second floor window of his home. When citrus avenue. He said he saw two black men running one of the gun in his hand to a waiting car that then sped off burning rubber tire tracks in the street. Car to the ladies and gentlemen, jury to the best of your recollection. Wait. Looking who car? Car to me in time since come Carl. But at the time thinking. Eric carr. Carbon on small. With the to your world. And how to yours there's something that happens all of that the car back in stock and cut to. And I remember having open the door. And push to seek for to that. So. Ryan's description of the car was important to the trial as well as the investigators back in nineteen eighty-seven it revealed that there was at least third man involved in the attempted carjacking and murder a getaway driver. I talked to Rick Jackson about the importance of James Ryan both as a witness back in nineteen eighty seven and as a witness in twenty seventeen. So rick. I wanted to talk to you about James Ryan. And I knew he was important piece of this whole thing way back in nineteen eighty seven when you were first called out to the case because he was a witness who had called the police because he heard gunshots. Can you describe how important or how he moved your investigation forward? Yeah. He was very crucial, and obviously was on the next block over and saw nothing directly about what happened at the crime scene here the shots and it brought him over to the window. And he sees the two men running. He gave a good description of the clothing and the physical build of the two suspects. He saw the thinner of the two in a dark jacket of some type carrying a revolver. And then he also described the car backing up that he described as a white sporty car American car. Backing up and the two suspects that had run from the crime scene jumping in. And he said it looked like they both entered through the back seat. It was a two door car, which obviously gives us at least one other suspect. The driver likely a second suspect in the front passenger seat, which would then cause the two suspects that were running to get into to both get into the back seat. So through him you so many new we're not just looking for the two guys who approached Jay Clark's car, right? We have other possibilities now. At that point. We can't say for sure we knew that the one or two people in the car that weren't at the crime scene. Did they know what was going to go down? Did they have any direct involvement in driving away? We didn't know that for sure. And also, we have which became very important the the white vehicle that was described which. Gave us another way to work toward solving this crime. And so I think it was about a month later, you get chipped to peer romaine, and you start looking into him and housing was it that you came across a white coupe. A sporty cars has James Ryan it said well the day of the search warrant which is about a month after the murder. We were at pier remains house searching the location, and we came across several pictures of romaine and a few others standing in front of a white sporty car. It was a side view. So we couldn't see the license plate areas. But it was a side view of the car, and they were flashing gang signs. And so at least we had a white sporty car connection to romaine at that point. We didn't know what the connection was quite yet. But it gave us a direction to go. And the thing about the. There being no license plate. At least James Ryan, you know, being a reporter being observant and so forth. He looked to get a license plate number. And he didn't believe there's a license plate there that to me. It seems like a dead end. But it turned into something else. How did that work out will? Eventually we connected that white sporty car to a registered owner by the name of Pamela Watkins, who eventually we found out was the fiancee's of peer remained brother, Andre romaine. And so we located that vehicle. It was a recent purchase a brand new car. It was purchased at a place called freedom for it in Los Angeles. And it was registered to Pamela Watkins. But the information we developed was that it was really Andrea Romains car and some additional work and information, I learned through gang authors. Was that? A lot of gang members would have their girlfriends, fiancee's wives, whatever put a car in the females name. So it wouldn't have a direct return to the gang member. And they would go out catering. These cars so two things happen when we found the car first of all had freedom for paper plates, at least on the back. I can't remember also on the front or not at this point. Now, whether that was on the night of the crime because we also found at that what gang members would do with eight even take the paper plates off sometime which would make it even more difficult to track. There wouldn't be a dealership indicated on the car. So whether that was totally off that night. And James Ryan actually sudden nothing we're the license plate would be the rear license plate or whether there was a freedom forward. And he just couldn't make it out when he looked to see if there was a a license plate on the car. We don't know for sure. We're going to hear from the next witness in just a minute. But first, let's take a quick recess. In fact, one of our sponsors. Haddock locks newest thriller winner the twenty eighteen Edgar award for best novel is suffused with the unique music color and nuance of east, Texas. But it's also about the powerful troubling collision of race and Justice heartbreakingly resonant raves USA today. And the Los Angeles Times called Bluebird Bluebird. A dazzling work of rural nor try to say that few times rural war in the middle of a personal crisis. Darren Matthews a black Texas ranger takes to highway fifty nine on the trail of two seemingly related murders. Darren finds himself in a race against time needing to solve these crimes before the long simmering tensions of a small east, Texas town erupt I read this book and probably no more than three sittings. I really think it's Atticus masterpiece. Attica Locke is the author of Pleasantville which one the twenty sixteen Harper Lee prize for legal fiction and was long listed for the Bailey's women. Nhs prize for fiction blackwater rising which was nominated for an award and the cutting season a national bestseller and winner of the Ernest J Gaines award for literary excellence by Attica locks Bluebird Bluebird today. Available in paperback e book and audio wherever books are sold. Visit mo- home books dot com. For more information now back to murder book. Next Mikhail put Antonio watch on the stand you might remember him from chapter one. He's peer remains friend who crashed his car into peers car during the Lakers championship day parade. So Mikhail put him on the stand, and he testified about the parade and the accident, and then very reluctantly testified about the alleged attempts from associates appear remain to coerce what testimony he gave after Romain was arrested for murder. He says that he was told to say that romaine had been hurt in the accident. Even though he did not know that to be true. That. Me. Will you write a battalion troop? This is where tempers first flared in the courtroom as McKesson tried during his cross examination of watts to lessen the damage from his testimony. First of all appropriate. I will take over disregard that statement total. From here. The prosecution moved into the Muendane but important science phase of its case. I during Hudson, the former director of the LAPD crime lab, testified about documenting skid marks on the street outside of James Ryan's apartment and the preservation of the material famine the bullet located next to Jake Clark's car. It was a mixture of human tissue and fiber on the bullet indicating that had gone through someone's body and clothing. Then came Catherine Lisi, the forensic scientists who in two thousand and three compared to preserve genetic material found on the bullet to peer Romains DNA which have been collected by detective Jackson with a search warrant when he reopened the case Lisi said to materials from the bullets submitted were so minute that she had to combine the tissue and the fabric fibers found on the bullet in order to draw a single DNA profile. Back in two thousand three the petite, reddish blonde. Scientists worked for a private DNA company contract by the LAPD in Maryland when she came to testify twenty seventeen she came from the South Carolina law enforcement division where she's forensic scientists in the DNA biology unit. Here's prosecutor MCI of questioning lease. For the sample. Mark Piero main exactly the same wheel as the profile. If he does match from. Here. The proof of. Is included is. What was in the? Mastered against the proposal. That was Lisi confirming that when she compared the profile found on the bullet to remains profile. It was a match remains the was on the bullet j Clarke had fired at his killer. So now, can you tell the, ladies and gentlemen of the jury if you see it with that? And can you give us what's the tick that it's? Against operation match week match. So. The of improbable. Free and from. He in the app, American vision, ebays cheese. One in at least thirteen. Profile Hispanic ovulation database is probably one thirty two early. In the operation is one eleven five. When you say one thirteen million in the American population. Fifteen. One of the fifteen zero and the dome of the jury with respective Satistics. You've had. There is a. Way. Layman's terms, the statistics meant there could be only one person on earth with the DNA found on the bullet. And that was Piero Maine. The only individual even expense. Probably that person has be possibly wants thirteen. Face those seemingly insurmountable statistics defense attorney McKesson attempted to so the seeds of doubt by questioning her about a process known as the split. Call. You tell us what a split. We in terms of houses. It means that you need or sample remaining in case additional testing, you are performed that way to be. Ask in this case. Were you are you aware whether you're laboratories dishing tested. There was. Again, the testing. By concealed carry that analysis. As far as the many. I will be where. This was important from the point out by drawing from the fact that her testing and the material famine the boy it was done without a defense observer present and had consumed all the material this meant there is no split left for the defense to analyze his own scientists and could raise an issue of unfairness, and while the material found on item three the board with his one in thirteen quadrille. Ian match to remain head the prosecution feeling confident it was McKesson focus on an item far down to evidence list that allowed the defense to raise a question about all the DNA evidence. What was? Leading as eight months in awful. Tissue resemblance looked like kiss you that you combined with the fact based on that I have made full of debris. Similarly, they want. Determined characteristic streets. No, I'm sixty eight did you examine items? Eight. So I really kiss you and fabric was submitted two thousand thirty. Tissue item sixty eight. Two. Jeffy on I sixty eight. It was insufficient. Moving on. Possible because you wanna be controls on a long journey testing fail. And in heated issue thing therefore reluctance to be insufficient. Would that we said Ren problem? Many performs has more vitamin B wrong various controls ensure that has works by two. To one of those controls is term area and reason why just want to switch. We are all same chemicals that we haven't seen it goes wrong. Same crosses. And at the end of the process we expected that region by show. Not in this case three that run along with the possible tissue from five this show in Vienna. Pro. There was a possible Hamid at some point in process, and that is a liable to compare any profile from the island. We can't be certain that football was from the. So would this be a result of improper hand? He's not awful. Exactly worth him juice. At some point. During thing is awful. Content. A source that is infused her central Africa's from seen so be during election your intestine. That will be one. Cross the nation curve. That tissue is insane place with some blood. Yes. A document Leder. Connection with the work did. Issue that four to district attorney, and you. And you. All dressed UD L E V message division. So it would have been. What did he tell Mr. to Greg Mathieson? I. Important rating from this indicated that team. My not being trumpeted over the controls and is insufficient amount of. To me these were important moments in the trial for the defense to be able to interject the idea of contamination and coming from the prosecution's own expert that was a big get. DNA is a microscopic science that requires a layman in this case, the jury to rely on the experts is not something that you can see with your own eyes or touch and feel so it's about trusting the experts in their testimony trusting in the fifteen zeros that are part of that match. And if as a defense lawyer, you firstly out that the defense was denied a chance to observe the analysis and then independently confirm the prosecution's findings, and then you double down by revealing this some of those findings may have involved contamination than in my mind, you're skillfully planting suspicion, and what comes after suspicion is reasonable doubt. Doing cross examination of we see McKesson also asked the question that seemed innocuous at the time but would pay dividends for the defense later in the trial. So when you combine. What does that tell you tell you? Whether you got the DNA tissue. The fabric combination or. Won't mind. There would be no way to determine if eating. Reading the fire. Anybody? Lisi's testimony that DNA match to remain could have come from tissue attached to the fibers found on the bullet would open the door to a novel defense contention that would play out later in the trial has just fiddler would say, we're gonna take a recess. Now. We'll continue with the prosecution's case after a word from our sponsor. You know, having written over thirty crime novels. I'd say that safety and security has definitely become a top priority for me. That's why I use ring. Ring's mission is to make neighborhoods safer. 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Tom click on the microphone at the top of the homepage type in murder book. All one word you can get a four week trial, plus free postage and digital scale that automatically calculates exact poses that stamps dot com. Enter murder book. So back to the trial the prosecutor Tanaz MCI of brought on the next witness. After the two shops. Going on. The. Vehicle. Dear. Booking over the cop car looking. I saw a person might set back in. Okay. Before five. And. This is after the first shot that you. Delay between two. Two shots. Got down. How? That was Darryl Jones a witness Ajay Clark's murder. He had been in dance terrier that night thirty years ago and headed out to the street when the club closed two AM, he testified at a commotion across the street caught his eye and he saw the shooting. He also testified in thirty years ago when the police showed him a six pack of photos and asked him if any of the men in the photos looked like the shooter he pointed to the photos and said both men resemble the man who shot j Clarke the one he felt eighty five percents. Sure about turned out to be Pierre remain. And while Jones's testimony about the shooting was dramatic and important his value as a witness may have been just as important for something else. He saw that night hours before the shooting. Could you what year live with the damage via on twenty nine twenty eight? There. And. When you were arrived. Did you have a Santa lying to get? So as you're waiting in line to get into before midnight. On eight. That you across the street. Do you remember observing a fight across the street? Joneses memory might have been vague about thirty years ago. But getting any sort of counts about that fight that occurred across the street into the trial record was vitally important to the prosecution. Remember the blood drops of Jackson found on the sidewalk on the night of the murder. On the passenger side of the car along the sidewalk that runs north and south long Highland. There were some blood drops starting about the center of the car and moving north along the sidewalk there in Highland maybe thirty or thirty five feet north, and then they stopped. But those blood drops I should say did not show a directional tail on them as if they had been deposited by somebody that was running or moving very quickly along that sidewalk. Those blood drops did not match peer remains blood or Dwayne Dixon's, but they were within the crime scene and had to be explained or they could lead to reasonable doubt here with Darryl Jones was the beginning of the prosecution's explanation. They were from an unrelated fight that occurred in almost the same spot is killing but two hours before the j Clarke murder even took place Jones became a key witness in the case because he could testify to both the fight and the murder and help build the case that they were unrelated occurrences. Next on the witness stand was Clifford Phillips the witness resuscitated by Dr Spiegel up at Stanford. He told much same story that he told us earlier offering dramatic you were there accounting of the carjacking gone terribly wrong. Can you tell Joma the jury what happened what attracted your attention? I. We're. No. Yes, you've been flirting. Of getting on case about being the first. Before new it. Carter. Dr. With the arm. Okay. And what was the purse work? Cooker? Okay. And you're still in the passenger seat is your door. And. The. And you said a big gun when you say a big gun. Are you referring to the barrel? Okay. He says. Any repeat? Okay. And he repeats the words get the fuck out to Rico. Okay. And then I'm been down car with low. I've been trying to see. Over the roof. Nine. Really joke. Okay. Fear. I'm just looking over trying to feed who this shit. Could be and then J pool. Okay. Djabel the done to. And then what happened? Get your real low floor. When you say remote Jay is small look. And then the person will vague on open. Did he open? Did he open that person that opened jades driver side door? The one. Okay. So as to see as the can't in when Jay gets his gun. What what happens next? Good. Okay. The big injury. His free arm. All right. And he's trying to get Jay that with his free arm. And then what happens? Awards and James trying to stay. And the guy out. Okay. Okay. So J kept his gun love. Okay. Low to we're. On you. Okay. And they're doing it on these other good, thirty seconds. Maybe a more. And I'm still all about looking feet that you were trying to look and see a face. Okay. Then what happened? In my door. Okay. Now. Okay. When were Ilva with the not still strong. Jay. So now world bans the guy's still struggling with Jay trying to get him out of the car. What happened? Guide one open mind. Me out. On. So shown us in markets. Onto the sidewalk you refer off. Okay. So the guy that pulled you up can you tell the, ladies and gentlemen of the jury if he was big. Be college. Polly that yanked out. Gained out from behind. Describe it you just pull you here, you cut it and. He was. Of your L wall. And you're right biggers pine your rack. Okay. On. So now, he's holding you in that fashion. So basically, you're back to him. Okay. And now you're on the side. Get away. V remain calm. Then even your struggle. I know. When I got out. Assume news the car deck. And could you when you got yanked down where you able to see the guy that was struggling with Jay? Beijing. You gotta look glance at them. But fear, my heart. I don't know what I can see. Okay. You didn't. So will you struggling to get away from the guy that was holding? Opec? Okay. So at some point. How for? Okay. And so then you start to struggle to get away. And after struggling. Thirty. Was the driver's side. Still. At this point. You have heard no gunshots. Okay. So we start shoveling the guy who news where you break free. Six. A writer or believed to the right car. As expected Phillips came off. It's clear and credible. His testimony as a secondary victim was riveting everything seemed to be going well for the prosecution's case. The gotten DNA evidence jury they had played some wiretaps. And now they're star win is Clifford Phillips was delivering the goods. But once Philip was off the witness, Dan things stop running smoothly. It was a thirty year old case and some witnesses wanted to change their stories, and at least one of them threatened to push the whole case off the rails. First of all. She's saying number not truthful never years. All will. I say that, but refuses any responsibility. So I don't find that she'd been through all. Can the prosecution win the case when one of his own witnesses refuses to remember key moments from the night of the murder? We'll get into that. In essence owed six. I'm Michael Conley? And you've been listening to murder book. Please support to show by subscribing, apple podcasts dot com slash murder book. So you can be the first to listen to the next episode. Also share the show someone who loves true crime co cases as much as you do. And please leave us a rating and review. I want to thank our sponsors as well as police consultant Rick Jackson. Tim, Marsha MSCI. Robert's murder book is producing edited by generally Lang for grace. Kelly provides us it including are haunting theme song by the grave. Additional music comes from pond five and premium beat post production and editorial services provided by. Authentic and additional editing by Jason k. 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The Curtain Call, Part 2: Why did the Steelers wait til later to go "Sooner"?
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I was kind of like who but well what did you think when that came down the pipeline. I wanted a cornerback significantly earlier. So at that point i was like who is this guy. What's going on. I started watching film on him. I saw like that. He's he's physical but in like a grabby hand. Fighting fight for the ball in the air could get a penalty but but more often than not he. He just made life miserable for people trying to catch the ball. I saw that he just reminded me a cameron sutton. I looked at them like they are drafted him for cameron sutton spot like. That's that's the goal in mind that kind of role. So i'm i'm positive on it. It's far enough down at seventh round. The hopefully he'll dodge the steelers. Drafted cornerback jinx. We'd all we'd all love to see a cornerback. Be be better you know. Be really good there. Cameron sutton hopefully. Hopefully he takes. That spot is the best drafter steelers quarterback in recent history. Hey you know what looking at these draft picks. We know twenty twenty draft class. Every single member made the team the way the cards are kind of following. It looks at the twenty twenty one classes a really good shot of doing the same thing and have every single drop. Pick make the team. I honestly i think it might come down norwood. What are your thoughts on that. You think every single one of these draft picks are making it. We'll we'll see louder. Milk defensive line is there are so many of them I know him i. I can't imagine them trading up for him accepting that like he's he's not a policy thing and then letting them go before even giving them one year So yeah. I think you're right norwood. That's a. That's a tough room simply because they have put so many names in to fill those spots like there's there's definite holes there there's definite room but they've thrown so many names in there with killer broom molay james pierre stepping up justin lane still hanging around the training drafted guys. Yeah and they're all what's interesting are all very different. I know someone in the chat. Said is traynor would like a james pierre. That'd be no. They're incredibly different. They're actually like opposites. Like james peer If you think of james. Pr thing of joe. Haden physical run stuffer. A technique is is fabulous Just not super fast. And then you have traynor norwood. Who is a camera sutton. He's gonna play off. He's not you know getting in the chest of wide receivers in hand fighting with them as much. He's looking to tobacco backup. Read the play and play the ball So they're very different players and then you've got the undrafted kit from michigan state that everyone's high on he's a different player. They're all it's going to be very interesting and this is one of the reasons i am excited for the preseason because they're such different players and i just wanna i wanna him get out there and see who they can use an how so then with with that. Who do you think the most likely rookie to get cut is i would. I'd have to go with nor one like i think. I think it's still probably him just because that room is crowded. He's a seventh round. Pick yeah i know i completely agree with that just just the way. Everything else has fallen. They haven't acquired another outside linebacker. So there's no way rochet's going anywhere Jordan berry would have to be ours even if jordan berries punting sixty orders throughout entire training camp. I think the the steelers have to taking consideration any places best football when it's hot out and he usually flops in the winter. And are they going to get rid of this This this punting stud like like this top punting prospects since probably daniel sepulveda's just let him go to market and signed somewhere else and just roll the dice jordan berry. I just can't see it happening. So for that argument sake. I would also agree. That norwood was probably the most likely cut of any of these rookie draft picks again though. I have a feeling they'll all make the team much like what we saw on twenty twenty which is incredible two years in a row to have your entire draft classmate team last year. Were six picks this year's nine. It'd be incredible but Going back to the safety specific talk. How do you think this like safety. Depth chart is going around out. Of course you got terrell edmondson make. That's patrick at the top. Who's who are going to be the guys that back them up author. Armalite is going to be in that discussion. I'm very interested to see if they put miles killebrew at safety or if they moved him. More like a marcus allen to where he's kind of linebacker kinds of safety But that is a that is a good question and one of the interesting things we've seen. Is that the steelers. Liked to use debts cornerbacks in that role. Like when in two thousand twenty when trail edmonds would come off the field. It wasn't shown davis playing for him. It was mike hilton. Coming in seven man. Front might kill. Wouldn't be on the field but they'll take. Trawl often put mike helton at strong safety They did the same thing with camp sutton of it. So it's it's it's it's it's interesting because the depth chart like matters there but they when they take safety's off the field. They don't always replace them. With safety's it's more like the each individual player has kind of the roles that they can play and they kind of match that up. So it's like okay. We need someone to go in there and play deep zone defense Let's cameron sutton. We need someone to be able to blitz blitz from the strong safety spot. And we're taking troll ivan's out so it's mike mike. Helton will play strong safety. They really do more on role based and i. It's interesting because they also like to be able to switch players around so you'll see trial edmonds in the slot and mike helton dropback zone. Sometimes it's just this. I don't know if there is messing with the the offense or seeing you know seeing a matchup they prefer different player to to take on it. So i i still think arthur me will be your number one backup safety but i think he will also be like your dime back. So i'm gonna. I'm gonna go with him primarily there and then behind him just a really is another like backup safety. Truly just a safety kind of kind of player on this defense. They just kinda. Don't go for that right now. Yeah no. I totally see that as well. Now i'll put you on the spot much like how. I put our guests on this bottled earlier. Who would you say the best dealers defensive back his who was not named making fitspatrick for twenty twenty one twenty two joe haden still. Yeah joe haden until he proves it's joe haden. Although i wanna i wanna i wanna jump in here i stats guy too. So i'm big on like recognizing small sample sizes james. Pierre didn't play that many snaps. But if you were to just take every single snap. He played at cornerback. And you were to compare it to to the other steeler cornerback. We've had man. You can make an argument. His his film looks better than joe. Haden like you could. You could make the argument. James pierre looks just on film and that very small sample size like the best cornerback. We've had since taylor. that's just. His film was incredible. He he's playing at a very high level. he just doesn't have great physical attributes. So so with a caveat there that if james pierre is what he showed last you know if he can turn that into a full season of play. I will change it to james pierre. I just don't. I don't think that's realistic to expect that. But at the same time. That's what he put on film right. That's put on film. That's what he bought on film. That's what he did on the field so there's a chance change. Pierre could just be like pushing. Joe haden out the door after the season if he if he's that that good agai- that's that yeah. That is really interesting. Especially the way you put it at the end there and i would agree that joe hayden is probably the next best defensive back after minkah fitzpatrick but of course is a contract year. Four joe haden And of course it's a decentriq centric show tonight. Do you think joins coming by. And before you answer. i'll. I'll throw my answer out there. I because i i think his of is vocalness e in that in that locker room and how he's a leader and how he's respected by literally everyone in the nfl. Anyone that's ever talked to joe. Haden play in the nfl. They'll rave about him. How he just the man. I feel like that affects things where you're gonna wanna want to bring them back really vocal leaders outside of cam heyward for that defense. There's not a whole lot allow guys. Tj walk from my understanding. He only talks. He only talked to bud dupree and his brother was his kind of circle on the steelers but when it comes to vocal leaders of course you've got cam heyward but then joe haden such a fixture. Do you think he gets reassigned. Even if james pierce might take step ahead of him is he someone that you have to bring back if he can still go. That's a good one I can't. I can't see joe. Haden moving into a reserve role like he. That guy has made money right like like he has like you. Listen how's the steelers. When the steelers. Talk to each other like joe. Hayden's the rich guy who he is but if you look at it has been corner of all time. Yeah yes thank you. You get in there he got. He's still got the good rookie deal end right before the slotting. And he got that big contract with cleveland. They paid a ton of money. I don't think he's the kind of guy who's going to be like okay. I'll take a small deal and be a backup because he just be like you know what i'm why would i. Why would i do that because he also has. He has a lot of pride like any like really good defensive back you have to be that kind of guy who carries a chip. Who's a lot of pride. And you know he's gonna he's gonna make sure he gets respected that kind of that kind of a person I don't see him taking a reduced role. Like i think he's that guy that if he can't play outside anymore than he's done he's walking away from the game so i'm leaning towards no but i don't. There's also the problem that joe haines fantastic shape shape. He'll using his workout videos with that like footwork guru guy that he goes to that allow the players. Cameron sutton has videos with him now. To heat the stuff he can still do that. Level of training. He has If he still playing like he did last year you you have to bring him back. He's just that good and he is like you said he's that leader. He is that guy. Everyone looks up to everyone respects. He he is something else man. I i love joe haden and i. Yeah so i'm gonna go uncle with. Yeah i'm gonna go with. He comes back a good amount of money. And he's back i. I really hope so when it comes to respected players across the nfl number one. If if you were to poll players who's the one guy you wanna see when a championship before they retire. I think number one is gonna be. Larry fitzgerald period. I'm not sure if there's anyone that's ever been more respected than fits but number two benches joe haden. He is beloved in. nfl circles. And really. I hope i hope and pray get. He gets one before he hangs. It hangs up. And i really hope that's in pittsburgh of course but before we move onto the db's i pose you. This is joe haden hall of famer right now as we sit here. Is you wait a or i was just thinking about that because you were saying about joe haden. He's we wanted to win a super bowl and we love it to be in pittsburgh. I think joe hayden is on that track if you look at cornerbacks playing right now. The guys that were that were considered better than him. Then hold up right. It's it's not such a hard position to play for him to play at the level. He's played it for so long. Outside of those few last years. In cleveland where they were i mean they were mass anyways No one looked good on those defenses. He he has a chance. And i think if if the steelers could somehow pull off even the deep playoff run. Zomig that you're you're helping his case because his big problem is he's never been in the play offs like he'd never really gets that shot to be in the playoffs and he didn't. He missed it again this year. And if you look at the steelers defense in the playoffs this year or even the other games and the other games he missed. You could see the lack of joe. Haden makes an impact on this team. So i think he has a chance of it. I wanna ask you back is if he if he stays with the steelers and retires. A steeler ends up going to the hall of fame. What's the helmet all. It's got to be the steelers a like. That's that's an easy one to me. Because like he took less money when he was released by the browns signed with the steelers. There's better offers out there. I'm not sure the teams. But i know there were better offers. He he loves mike tomlin. He said that multiple times and kind of treated poorly by the brown. So i couldn't see him putting a browns like if this is like cooperstown major league baseball where you're going to pick a hat if that's how it did work because i'm almost certain that that's not how the nfl their bus. If that's was the way they went about it. I think he would go in as a steeler Also closing in on having like the same amount of years as brown as you this year five. I think premise the steelers and he played seven. I wanna say on the cleveland browns. As i see search setup he he's causing if he gets another deal he gets another two three year deal. He might be a steeler longer than he ever was. A brown did you have the numbers already. Now you're absolutely right absolutely right. Two thousand ten to two thousand sixteen for the browns seven years there five years with us. Yeah exactly so yes. I think that'd be a pretty big factor on it as well For one of the guys. I think all steelers fans. Let's get that to ring. He freaking deserves it. But i was just i would love. I would love for joe haden to go in to the pro. Football hall of fame wrapping the steelers. Like doing that. Because that would mean like i mean obviously the browns had joe thomas but the second best the other best player of that era then are the best graphic of that era would be joe haden and he'd be going in as a steeler twist the knife a little bit. Yeah i just just. Ooh i hate cleveland but yeah what a move. Honestly like you'll when we look like if the browns had joe haden and like the last couple years when they like turn it around they don't have cornerbacks who can play like him like denzel good but like i say he's like he didn't show as much as he was a rookie but anyway this isn't a brown show is not talk about them. Who cares about cares about a team. They're dumb name. They're ugly uniforms whatever. Let's continue talking about defensive backs for the pittsburgh steelers and out would bring up two guys here. That's a have had a really good minicamp and really good. Ot as you mentioned one of them a little bit earlier but antoine brooks and james. Pierre have been standouts. I know mark kabali wrote a piece for the athletic sticking their way up In terms of their stock a lot of people were saying they stood out. Or are you hiring these guys. Are you excited about hearing that. They're having a really good Offseason i'm really interested in antoine brooks hearing good things about him because he did play more snaps than james pierre did. They were just all last season on defense they were just all in one game and it was the one game where the steelers went in their dime package. The most and he was there dieback. Antoine brooks junior. Was there dieback. He played a bunch of snaps against the bengals because they were spreading everybody out and throwing all the time but he in that game he showed he has some good blessing. He's a very physical player but at the same time he doesn't quite have some of the coverage traits. You need there. I know everyone talks about my kilt wasn't the best in coverage but this is this is a different level like mike helton. Ow wasn't the best coverage guy for for cornerback. Antoine brooks junior isn't the best coverage guy as a safety right so then talking about him. Having a good camp is great news to me. Because he's improved his movement ability like. I don't know if you work is players work with people. They get different fitness regime. Stuff all of a sudden there are a little more agile low better if he's learned the defense really well where he can become a valuable piece. I'd love to see it Because he was playmaker in college. And i'd love to see that that aspect out there but he wasn't that guy in twenty twenty James pierre i obviously already said he was that guy he absolutely was that guy so i i said before i nothing. They say about surprises me. Because he was that good on film last season. i can't wait for him. It's preseason. I wanna see how they're using what they're asking them to do. That's like i care. That's why i want. James pierre Nothing they say during camp is going to surprise me. But i'm also glad we got a report on traynor would from tara lost austin saying he picked up everything really well so you know i'm excited. I'm excited to see how they how they work it out. And i think we can just see the defensive backfield really not lose a step. Seems like the only draft pick. That isn't getting a ton of love right now. Is dan moore junior. Who apparently struggling a little bit to kind of pick up all the nfl stuff. But he's a project tackle to begin with Yes that is absolutely expected. He and he's gonna take a year. Yeah he's going to take a year and then we'll see what we got and he has no pressure to play also but by all means. I'm not worried about that. There is one other topic. I wanna get to. But this is a really good question from andrew wilbur. He asked if ben would retire. And even joe haden for that matter. What would you consider the bigger draft need quarterback or cornerback of course next year's draft classes loaded at corner. It's one of the stronger corner class in a long time. There are a ton of quarterbacks. But they're not the same skill level as we saw in this past draft class. jeffrey I posed to you. I would you. Would you be a quarterback in the first round or a corner quarter or corner just going by need. I'd still go cornerback. Like i'm thinking like quarterback so important but i think mason rudolph can be a guy for a year. He can be a guy he's not the guy you know. And when benn lease based on real if it's not the guy but he is a guy he can be a guy for a year or two But man if joe haden leaves you would have cameron sutton left from that group and that would be fast. Yeah yeah you're talking that steven nelson joe haden. Mike helton cameras and all of a sudden. It's cameron sutton. You've gotta bringing some. That's not james. Peer starting opposite him. And you're not gonna do undrafted free agents in seventh round picks and signed agent cast-offs for your entire cornerback. Room you can't do that. You gotta have somebody anchoring that room so yeah for me. It would be cornerback. I think you kind of talk me out of corner without. I think you want someone that has skill and the steelers will have some money. I think you try to go. Sign a corner and you try to sign. Joe haden but after that i i think you want to sign a guy what it comes. His quarterback class though like if they fall in love with someone and they're like okay. We we need to go this guy. I if you identify that quarterback this league is a quarterback driven league. You have to go get him like if that's gonna say i don't know if it spends rattler and we're like all right. We need a trade heaven and earth to get the number two. Pick to get this guy. Or what have you depending on how this all shakes out. I got to make the move like we knew the steelers were really high. And patrick mahomes I don't know if they were ever close to pulling the trigger on a trade up because it wouldn't have made much sense with hari was but we knew knew. The steelers brought them in for a ton of workouts and were interested in him. But it didn't work out so clearly the they know what they're doing when it comes to evaluating i thrown talent when it comes to quarterbacks. They're not. They're not in a position to take one obviously a year in and year out when you have a hall of fame guy but if they're looking at the the right people i'd want them to make a move up if they think they've found the right guy but outside of that jump in here with something absolutely because there's a comment that stood out to me here. Let me bring this up here. Says i'd rather from a lifelong fan. I'd rather have a smart player that a talent player who doesn't have a smart brain talking about the secondary. This is a big shift because a guy like adjusting lane guy. Lincoln artie burns. No longer fits defects. That's what the steelers used to be going for if you look at who is excelling in the defense. It's not the big physical fast traits. Guys cameron sutton. It's a steven nelson. Who was short and was everyone thought was a slot cornerback. He's playing outside and he's great. Joe haden who despite you know. He's thirty two johan's thirty two years old. He's been the nfl over a decade. You know he's not fast anymore. He was never a ridiculous athlete. And he's not the athlete he wasn't anymore but he's fricken smart and he can play that position. Then you look at their draft and trae norwood bringing guys. They're looking for smart defensive backs that is where the defense is going. And so i gotta agree. That's what you gotta look at is. Can they execute defense because if we execute the the coverage schemes. That we've been running since terrel austin joined the steelers if you execute them. Well this defense is going to be outstanding. Know exactly the last thing. I did want to bring up for tonight show jafria. Of course it's been covered in other shows. Steelers brought in trai turner For an interview and physical whatnot didn't result in the contract. But really the buzz was kind of worry about david castro What are your thoughts on the situation. Are you worried about it or is this just due diligence. It yeah. I suppose with the guys. Steelers have been bringing in recent weeks. Maybe it's just like all right. This is a list of guys if there is an injury it could be that. I don't know if it is but when your thoughts and all this well let me go. Let me go to his play last year. My hope and i think the steelers hope is david. Castro was gonna come back and be the guy. He was at the start of the season that week five. I think it was. I think it was week. Five against philadelphia. He was injured. He was never the same when he came back. He was not the same guy There's been reports that that it's that he was fully better but he wasn't he he had lost something there he didn't he didn't care as much like there's rumors you always hear stuff like that. Like maybe he's just dying. He doesn't wanna play anymore. But the the question to me is if if that injury isn't healed then he'll he'll likely be the worst offensive linemen. We have the only guy that was worse than him when he was clearly clearly not himself was. Jc has an hour. And that's a. That's that's a guy they he was our third string center. He was a developmental guy. He was not supposed to play last season in the nfl. At all and there he was starting and david. Decastro wasn't much better. And that's that's just what a torso injury can do to alignment. Who's not young anymore. If that's more the reality than you know an injury that can heal and he can bounce back then yeah. Gosh that'll be absolutely awful. Because looking at this line You're hoping you know kendra green steps up and that those three interior guys dotson decastro and green can really be the anchor of a line that that turns the steelers fortunes around if the castro isn't there that's kind of nightmare scenario. I mean you're talking about cowards. You're talking about. Hey you're talking about cast offs from other teams. Hopefully being able to start. That's rough and i feel like decastro. Can't go stews probably try to work. Something it's the money back If you were to retire or if they were to cut them for whatever reason then they would have some flexibility to bring more talent like a turner and kind of alleviate that pain so at least there could be a possible out for this team but as we are at the top of the hour here jeffrey. I do ask you if there's anything you wanna plug in your way out. I know another. Tj awad to sack film room drop today so make sure that people check that out but sir anything else that we should keep our eyes on yes are vertex. Is ryan little late this this time because we're covering this exact topic. We're covering the loss of mike helton and who expects to replace him as the nickel back I don't get into traynor. What in this one. But i get into antoine brooks juniors show actual film from when he played some film from james pierre and some film of mike. Helton's so's of you're interested in seeing you know. What is buzz on. Angela brooks junior as you can see what he did last season And see where the player he was as a rookie that i i think that's coming tomorrow. But we've had a lot of a lot of articles on the secondary so they've they kind of pushed back by believe that's coming out tomorrow. Great stuff and forever has been asking the steelers from a to z series. Breaking down the entire roster is back. We're on day three now. Myself and Bts's editor dave. Scofield are running it Together this year and if you just go to behind the steel curtain dot com you can find those articles under steelers trifecta. We're covering three players day and the that's your he's will end The first aid training camp so a nice little bow on that for getting through the entire roster we get to start breaking down training camp news aside from all that. I want to make sure. Everyone's caught up to date on all their behinds joke. Kern dot com podcasts. Wherever you're listening Beit spotify apple. Podcasts pandora what have you wherever. You're getting those podcasts. Make sure you check out today's Let's ride from jeff. Hartmann course wednesdays. He answers your questions yesterday. My life mike Kind of looked at some kind of ideas in some kind of talking points that i'd like to steelers to hit offensively next week will look at the defensive side of the football or sco were on yesterday and tomorrow. Of course the steelers preview. I right show. 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Madame Marie Curie
"This podcast was created by with sue a learning. APP. For your entire family to read interesting articles or listened to interesting audios on finance health history life histories, and science download our APP from apple and Google play stores. Are APP is spelled W.. I s. you are you. Madam. Marie Curie. Madame Marie Curie is an inspiration for women all over the world. This podcast will help you understand who, Marie. Curie. Is and what our achievements are. Finally, this podcast also lists some interesting facts about Marie Curie that everyone should know. Who is Madam Marie Curie Madame, Marie Curie was the first woman in history to win a Nobel prize. She is also the first person to win the Nobel Prize twice in an age where women were ridiculed for expressing their thoughts she won not just one but two Nobel prizes. For decades, her research in the field of radioactivity and her discovery of two new elements has inspired young girls to take up a career in science. Even though she became world famous in her younger years Madame Marie Curie struggled financially and emotionally. Listen to the story of a woman who through pure passion and relentless hard work overcame all her struggles in life and carved her name in history. Maria early life. Marie, Curie was born as Maria glow sca in the city of Warsaw in Poland on seventh November eighteen, sixty seven, both her parents were successful in their respective fields. Her father was a teacher of mathematics and physics and her mother was the head of the Warsaw Boarding School for Girls Maria was their fifth and youngest child. Maria saw a lot of struggles in her early years as their family lost all their assets for getting involved in patriotic Pro Polish movements. She suffered from depression since her teenage, probably because of the financial struggles and the loss of her mother and sister very early. During those days educational institutions did not permit women to take up higher education. Hence, Maria tried to enroll in an underground educational enterprise to do her higher education. She tried to raise the necessary funds for her studies by working as a private tutor for a family where she fell in love with their son, his parents did not support the relationship and they were forced to part ways. This pushed Maria further into depression. However, difficulty in collecting enough funds for higher education did not deter rea- despite her depression she continued to work is a private tutor to earn enough money to pay her tuition fees. Since educational institutions in Poland did not let women enroll in Courses Maria decided to study on her own such was her passion for learning. Finally in eighteen ninety, one, Maria left Poland she moved to France to pursue higher education an esteemed institution. Life in Paris. When she moved to Paris Maria registered herself as Marie which sounded more French Maria. Then France, her financial position was so bad that Marie did not even have enough clothes to wear during harsh winters. She only managed to keep herself warm by wearing all the clothes she owned one over the other she studied in the morning at the university and earned little money by tutoring if you children in the evening. Despite all her struggles. She was one of the best in class. So she got a scholarship which was only awarded to exceptional Polish students abroad. Maria and her first degree in physics in eighteen ninety three with the help of the money from the scholarship and by working at an industrial laboratory in addition to her studies at the University Maria and her second degree in mathematics a year later. During her job a Polish physicist introduced Morita. And Pierre Curie the physicist hoped that peer could help me get a bigger laboratory space for her research. Marie later quoted her first meeting with Pierre as follows. I was struck by the open expression of his face and I the slight suggestion of detachment in his whole attitude, his speech rather slow and deliberate his simplicity and his smile at once graven youthful inspired confidence within a year Pierre proposed Marie but Marie couldn't accept it because she wanted to go back to Poland for work. However, the Krakow University in Poland denied her job because she was a woman. So she came back to Paris to pursue. PhD. In eighteen ninety-five Pierre Curie completed his PhD. The same year they both got married in a simple manner. After marriage. She changed her name to Marie Curie after her husband's name Pierre Curie after the birth of their daughter in eighteen ninety seven. Marie. took up teaching in addition to her research to support her family. Marines research. Then fired by Wilhelm Roentgens, discovery of x Rays Henri Becquerel was studying its properties using naturally fluorescent materials in eighteen ninety six while observing its behavior under a magnetic field he found that uranium emits rays that are different from x rays. This motivated Maria pursue her research in the field of uranium raising their electromagnetic properties. When Curie experimented on uranium rays, she found that uranium rays remained constant regardless of the form of uranium. Hence, these rays must have come from uranium's atomic structure. To describe this phenomenon, she coined the term radioactivity Marie study on radioactivity gave birth to a new field of physics called atomic physics. By this time her husband Pierre Curie was very impressed and intrigued by her research. So he decided to drop his research and help her in her discovery. Marie worked with two minerals of uranium. She also sampled tons of the ore pitch blend to understand more about its radioactive properties. She and Pierre, began searching for other elements that are radioactive in the year eighteen, ninety eight, they discovered that the element thorium was also radioactive. After years of Extensive Research Marie and Pierre discovered to radioactive elements that they named polonium and radium. In the year nineteen, O six, unfortunately, Pierre Curie died in a road accident after his death Madame Curie continued her research on radio activity she isolated the element radium in nineteen ten and devised an international standard to measure radioactivity. The chievements. Then nineteen o three Henri becquerel Pierre Curie and Marie, Curie were awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics for their work on radioactivity. Then the year nineteen eleven she won her second Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the discovery of radium and polonium. Marie continued a research for years to come. She was conferred with many national and international honours by different universities and institutions for her path breaking research. She also lent her services and research into the field of medicine. Marie also served as a radiologist in hospitals during World War One. She invented the first mobile x ray machine that helped doctors understand the internal damage in soldiers hurt during the war she even drove the ambulances equipped with x ray machines to provide service during the war. Marie changed the course of science forever with her discoveries and research her determined resolve help us understand more about radio activity and how it can be used in various forms. She basically taught us that atoms are in fact divisible and consist of smaller subatomic particles. Her discovery of the to radioactive elements in research on the properties of these elements gave us the process of carbon dating carbon dating is the method by which we calculate the earth sage and of all its fossils to this day she continues to be an inspiration for women in the fields of science. Marine Pierre refused to make money from their discoveries. So they did not file for a patent after they discovered radium in eighteen, ninety eight. Today. Radium is used widely in the medical field that is used for controlling cancer growth using radon gas in radiotherapy. These elements are also used in nuclear reactors to produce atomic energy as well. The research institutes founded by Marie are known as the Curie Institutes. They are very prominent research centers for scientists and perform extensive medical research even today. Marie used the money from the Nobel Prize to fund her research and help others. Death. Marie Curie and Pierre Curie were conducting their research in a very poorly ventilated shed near their home. They did not know the disadvantages of working with strong medals in poorly ventilated space as a result her continuous exposure to radiation caused aplastic anemia, which ultimately killed her in the year nineteen, thirty four. She was buried in a cemetery beside her husband. The remains were transferred to the Pantheon in Paris in the year nineteen ninety-five to honor their discoveries and achievements. Interesting facts about Marie Curie. Marie Curie was originally ignored in her race for a Nobel Peace Prize. The committee was reluctant to give a woman in award and wanted to give it to her husband instead, Pierre Curie intern asked the Nobel Committee to consider their submission as a joint submission only. The nineteen eleven Maria was embroiled in a controversy of having an affair with a former student of Pierre Curie it was during this time when Maria was comforted by Albright Einstein then she ignored the controversy and continued to work diligently on her discoveries. Till Date Marie remains the only Nobel laureate to win Nobel prizes in two separate sciences. She also has a hospital named after her in London, which treats female cancer patients. She spent years in her research and also cut on her family time to complete a research for her wedding. She chose to wear a dark blue dress instead of a bridal gown when questioned, she replied I have no dress except the one where every day if you going to be kind enough to give me one, please let it be practical and dark so that I can put it on afterward to go to the laboratory in the nineteen twenties. Radium became too costly. One gram of radium cost one, hundred, thousand dollars. So even though Marie invented the element since she didn't patent it, she didn't have enough money to procure it for further research. The, nineteen thirty five, her daughter, and her husband won the Nobel Prize in chemistry for their discovery of artificial radioactivity. Her other son in law collected the Nobel. Prize for peace on behalf of UNICEF. This makes curies family the family with the highest number of Nobel. Prizes. This podcast was created by with Suru a learning. APP for your entire family to read interesting articles or listened to interesting audios on finance health history life histories, and science download our APP from apple and Google play stores are APP is spelled W. I s. you are you.
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"Joe can you hear me out there. You can't avoid be bird. The queue up another episode of the birds. That's podcast. i got my man my producer and co hold. A watt may poverty joining me today. Our guest today is going to be fantasy girls very own jordan. Ja- jordan. What's going on what's happening. People doing tell you something about yourself. Okay well Let's see what did we start. You wanna hear the the whole how pierre and i met history future slash history Or you want to hear about the whole Into let's get into some people know. Okay well I met here In spanky from future originally recipes recipes. Spank They created the acid sound. met those guys about six months after acid track came out when ron hardy. Broke it down at the box. Also what was happening on appear wanted to do a spin off group And do vocals and add vocals too. You know the acid stuff that we were doing so him and felix. The cat house catch stallings. She looks still in high school when we first got together and put out fantasy girl he was still in high school. Right wow felix came up with the music Pierre did the program the three oh three With the acid. And everything in him. And i p i wrote A lot of the worst asong actual song and we went into the studio. And i put together. The melody. The vocal melody and the way that he wrote it so But i met him through. A of mine's Out mutual friend of ours. Pierre was in university part and he knew a a gentleman by the name of gregory williams. Okay so we met. That way was introduced that way and shortly after we met. Michael said about six months after Esoteric came out. In the cocaine saw we him felix and i got together and It felix pleased that his parents place in park force They live right over in part for us and We went over there and let me hit the track Ah by that time Dock and stan williams from sro Doc was a veterinary area in On the south side of chicago okay. he had a little house music label that he had just started. We the house. The house music thing was just kinda really starting to take off so docket started. Investing in some of the young talent him appear met but they met in. He wanted to do a track so one of the reasons we did. The fantasy club thing was. Pierre was under contract with sherman at track records. So you know he couldn't do it on the future you know. They actually wanted it on the future but they couldn't do it so what we decided to do what. He decided to come up with a concept where he can actually do both and we. We did this fantasy club thing. Which is kind of more vocal More of the melody and music. More music Type of arrangements for the acid house. I'm not sure fantasy girl is the very first acid house vocal record. But it's gotta be one of the top three. That actually came out. I remember that from back in the day with hot kind of play it. Now i let you guys making it. It definitely was a transcend fantasy superior. I don your for you sink in before he met. The guy asked my dad. Roy pretty large church also so so are just you know about indoor single over our bands with forty hula and i. It was too early on even before we did freedom and the other tries who work on now. They live a few blocks away from. My dad searched him and maurice Probably like a few about a year so after fantasy girl came out and we were at his mom's house. Room working on transient. The low of a track will be in and maurice was on the keyboards in daniel. Who was programs. So yeah We at work on some stuff a long time ago but never actually put it out until after i got back into house music so for over no more. You gotta tell us maurice more for those. That don't know yeah now. Want to ask you about your catalog of music from back then and give me a little bit of information on that sure Well you know there were. Fantasy club was famous infamous for the the girl series. We had the fantasy girl that we d would sro. Then we had the dream girl that we deal with the high mace five. Then we had mystery girl that we did Mike hitman wilson bad boy bills label. I forget the name label. So we had those touring Did we got the book tracks record. Got the book was a huge louis. Acids also hilo baseline via killed on that baseline the program draco and that was huge overseas stone. See you'll be all all in on the phone lose freeman gonna be a get away. Make us stay way down in summertime. Time actually brought pierre. Shortly after after you get back from new york. I became back from strictly rhythm. I'm not sure. I think it happened after that but yeah so we we did. The summertime is getting busy time on jabaar. She would wayne and we did one other job arcia least they did all a lot more but i at the other end. Just kind of went. Our separate ways The twenty below that we did. Were roy davis junior. Preemptory produced that royce track. I think we did it on the tracks off. So i would say probably in between eighty seven and like ninety two maybe ninety three or somewhere around there is when i kinda stopped. They started doing other stuff. I probably had about close to sixteen tracks the that we did that. I did with the fantasy glow. So right now what about what can cal. Currently will right now Like i said about six years ago. I started backup and the first thing i put out was what you do to me with. The marlins joshua can disk. Yeah so we at that Roy davidson i hooked up again and we did On rouse records. We did take you there. It's a nice a nice scan of acid vocal song That hulan idea the free and freedom. Ashley's pretty used to track that. He's got a lot of play. People really dig. Get i remember you come in and live lou in the give me that song to play. Never forget that's why. I met you on the suburbs of ood right. Yeah yeah we met live where we spoke sesame who learn and by night right on the patio you be outside the hope so So yeah we support new end labou in regards to that that project the house thing you were doing and So big up you guys for that. Because if if it wasn't for you then you guys and i probably would taint a never knew anything and now you you had a rocket you had rocketed so you know just took some time to get. The word out would not rocket and yeah smokes. Does most wide shown up there. Canada big time reason. Botany so that did help but So dan at the freedom of i got we'll adele town and i've worked on tombstones. All is a matter of fact. One is kind of a Ah dancey thai club house on. Which i think is going is going to be really like a kind of get to the dance floor kind of thing. It has that. Feel the devil so talented In place so many instruments and being Abba gospel tune. That Me he wanted me to work on with raw and then in the midst of everything that happened last year with the pandemic as well as the social injustice that was happening around the country Hulan i hooked up and we did a cadillac. I don't wanna say fain song social justice song but we did produce a track that i have to finish up. Finish doing vocals on That has a very very clear sound message to in regards to that is called stand. That's all i can tell you about but is at big is going to be a real powerful lyrics type of song in regards to ruin the something that people And when you hear it and you're going to think about those things that happen in regards to the police you know. Neela known as man's neck in killing him so And then with all of the other social injustices stuff that was going on. It was so funny. The way had happen because Hulu called me last year and he was like listen. I got somethin'. I need you to do some lyrics for an hour. Just kinda tied of all of this negative energy that's going on the pandemic and then we got the social injustice in with all of this stuff. That's happening he was like. What can you do For me lyric wise. And i was like funny. You said that. Because i just started working on software will the new stuff have the same voice as fantasy girl. Fantasy girl does not my real voice. That's just that. That was the way i song the saw it had that was kind of. That's not my natural. Singing voice was more of a base type of you know so But because for that purpose so your voice at hodge. Ar support for that purpose. We we can't have did it that way because that was the field we trying to put out. But you know. I'm more of a gain of o keefe nunnelee colonel able type of that type of style of singing So but to hear that in regards to track that hula the in lyrics and and as everything came together. I think it's going to be a real interesting track in regards to dealing with the still even now. You still got social injustice of happening. So i think people really i think they gravitate towards that they really going to get a kick out of that is a modern day version was going on. Yeah yeah it has that. It has the vibe. Yeah and especially in regards to you the lyrics in in the way that we would have together so break there are so many in. We just talked about a minute go. Different definitions interpretations says we. You know we start off talking about your contribution with acid house. Can you define what that it's no. I cannot have you'd have to have a. You'd have to have a peer or spanky or her canada. Really i don't know how they came up with the concept from from what i understand the way it was told to me. Is that spanky brought to three or three because they were getting into house music and You know they as it was. Funky herbin pierre. They were always together and they wanted to start making this kind of music Suspect was the only person that was working. I think as a matter of fact we have lent his mom. Actually fronted money for the surreal. Three spanked was working. Lincoln mall manso work at lake. All demands warehouse. I think that's what it was. She had to pay her back. So you know they would share the burrito. Three ye- all three of them trying to get to learn how to use the program and things of that sort From what i understand is that one day they will work in also stuff together and trying to pull it together and just get understanding of the the rolling three three and spank at program. Something appear program or something in the bay twist enough in in the twist another now while that was one baseline rolling they twist another knob started up another so it can happen like that was actually everything with the pitch and energy star. That's how you get that in that. Erica they just started playing. Route would knobs on a thing and put a drummer it. And you know the next thing you know you get acid house but then after that you got edm so you know as a whole different. Yeah but a lot of people don't think that Edm they think pay from out of nowhere. No edm is is the direct direct baby from acid house. I don't care how you look at it out. So i'm you know. That's why i think so great to have these conversations you know there's so much to learn about this John is music. You know how you saw. I mean i. I consider myself some day. That's been on the scene a long time. But i still have sold so much to learn especially from the reduction in which i'm not as versed in as i would like to be so. This is a great education for for me to how did your dad about you Being a part of these things back then the nurse as it did he. He's like our what you singing. That blue saw like balloons i. If it wasn't gospel everything for him was blue but he actually came around after After a while he realized i wouldn't go beat a preacher that he thought i was going to be so he got warmed up to it. After def think does care took soup. How did you come. I got involved in house. You just because i love the sound to me as gospel five so that and then being a young kid in from chicago area and then listening to you know farley and People are stone pony and other people. Dj's plan stuff. The friday night mixes and things of that sort. And just yeah. Bmx everybody know that battle. That story And growing up listening to that. And then you have a kid Like spanky herb and pierre from university par and then you have a a high school like felix it was very musically inclined teenager from park forced And then you've got. The roy davis jr junior's from from university park. Also roy davis interesting story. roy's i track that he released twenty below than i did vocals on. He still a highest school. So you know we really talented young cats from the south suburban area not necessarily chicago even though everybody cannot likes the group. You know all in the same category. So what happened as to why you left. Pierre knows guys. If standings correct jab rca wanted to go another direction with with the group and meet pierre and spanky. We just didn't see eye to eye on it So spent kind of left. Stop started doing his thing. Pierre study which rca. and then. I left and came back literally. Came back home to to start working with my dad. What we started A community service organization in our area called the joint community service center We did That located intervention programs at it was located in harvey illinois at the church of saint march. So we did. A prevention and intervention programs for at risk youth we obtain parent services and we also did With at work programs for people who were on public looking to get into the workforce Can you tell me. I mean there is such a There's always this ongoing debate here in chicago and then even beyond chicago in in other cities near the origins of our house What is that. Can you tell me what that that your opinion what that's like you how you kinda came up in the sing. Yeah i think I think a lot of people can get it confused and get the time. Confused this And actual house disco kanifing I think the reason a lot of new yorkers think that it started in new york is because of the disco situation and how disco went underground for a minute and so how house came out of underground but it came out underground here in chicago me. We bang the drum and a lot of people were a lot of deejays. Were creative with what they were doing. And have these house parties. In a way that ashley set up and it actually took off You know they will take in different tracks. Ought to different songs. Different records implant them in lieu poonam and then you add people with real the real. That was doing you know so I think the new yorkers think that somehow the discal slash because it went underground and in house came from net underground sound a field that they have a right to claim it the house music but not. That's not my opinion deep down in your heart. You truly feel like new york is also book when they say they saudi house music. Yeah yeah okay. Yeah i d- from me you know. I hadn't been to new york so my first time here in house musical chicago in the and after getting involved vetted and after meeting a lot of the people like ask still to this day. Don't know if anybody have will be able to say will say that. As not credible they're jesse saunders. Has the first house record going to speak that. Nobody else's came. Let me say that no active. I i don't see anybody else in. You know i arguments about that as well. I i will tell you as somebody that i did. Travel to new york when the scene was was heavy here you know they you know they were planning a lot of the same music all but when i mentioned how they don't know what that is. They didn't know what that is at the time they called the club. Music and when i went to the iraq and the tunnel and the allowed the underground brown clubs south factory. All those things. They're know great music. Great scene i mean noth- take nothing away from it. Larry van was great. Ej but what were they hold onto whiz. They act like you know that franken was sent here to bring that music to chicago. That's there in riot though on the guy father so they feel like frankie brought music to chicago. He's the guy father he introduced you all to outright houses from new york because frankie's from new york knicks. Don't understand that. We already have seen here or frank years. Frankie is a superstar. I mean he'll make anything great you know. He was in hip hop hip hop great. I mean but he did not start. He came here and he took it to another level or at least along with the guys who are already making a great. So that's as much as you can of take it from there. Yeah yeah you know again. I i think we will talking about this earlier. in in you know it's an argument that's going happen Just kind of hip hop you know so A certain arguments at if it's a debate. I get it But if you're just argon point just to argue a point. Like i said i i just i always nonsense. I know for myself What i was a part of what i listen to you and with actually norm in the name house came from so again. I think a lot of the new yorkers they because of the disco situation in the way disco went underground and eat. I'm not taking anything away from disco. I love disco but the the that wave of disco once it started to finally phase out You had a lot of house. Music come was underground because it was on the ground you had a lot of house music that came up from behind so i think people can't put those together and they are they are they own separate entity So i think that's why new york is feeling titled to say okay. Well this is underground sound and we take claimed this in this came from us The different because like you said they call the club. Music know so A- as far as i know it happened started in chicago in my mind. They gave really playing disco. Because this'll wasn't even. I mean all those very strong new york. You could argue where it was tops. I mean it was a global move. Dave disco was definitely. Even you know even more so than in a lot of places in america today. I mean this was everywhere and the so they even. Those very strong was very strong in philly. It was very strong in la. I mean they. They can't even really claim that although they can if they want to but like you said i mean once that kind of diet all you know governed by yourself winning their ryan and you know when in the basement had the real reason started making your old records and you know they don't wanna give us credit for that. So where does the new jersey fit into all. It is not show about jersey nasha about baltimore but you know everybody in those states. They lay claim to having something to do with house. But i think the reason a lot of people keep that argument goal is because of the way The house kinda came out of the underground style in regards to chicago Disco is one thing enables a major part of house but that happened in new york. Disco house music came out of chicago from the underground swings so and and then you've got so many people out there telling lies and mix stories about the whole situation and our it went. You know i've even heard people say that Detroit was the birthplace of house music. Which come on we are not come know so you got so many bad stories out there. from a lot of these places a lot of these online magazines they give people credibility And it shouldn't be you know a so people take that stuff and run with it. You know so You know not taking anything. Away from detroit But no chicago is it. So i wanna read some. I wanna read them to you quick so this morning i woke up by grandma phone and i got a message about a link this out. This is the birthplace of house. Music is in new york city. And how larry levin boy jarvis in tony help humphries helped to basically kick it off take kicked off his revolution so i mean like cools. Gotta up to get this show. I don't know but i did. Article was done was done was at the one that was done in red bull academy looked like yeah back in may twenty sixteen and see stock like that. Like i'm like i mentioned earlier. These online magazines about half credibility right by rebel academy everybody notice you dribble academies huge In other on my magazines that don't really do the fact checks and really get down to the nitty gritty when it comes to talking to the people who were there at the beginning Individuals who are actually have a footprint in regards to house music but they. They'll take an article like that from a red bull academy or someplace else and because they have credibility people will believe it. You know and being is i wanna thought a challenge to the rare built bull academy. Maybe they should listen to the birds this podcast to get somebody information before they start plans prince on this style. Because we're going to eat the truth. My thing is because when you talking earlier on burnell about you know some of these other cities You are. I don't want to take away the the influence that they have this date they do have influenced they Baltimore detroit And actually out out in in baltimore. Even when i was in college in the eighties and bake did have strong house presence. There the thing is it was brought out there by a couple of deejays. If i'm not mistaken who above from chicago. Og and cope either one or all dime holy era so they brought that they brought brought it out there and it was strong and they will plan real stuff soi Some parties there New jersey you know 'cause they always had a strong presence The but the debate is they. You know they want to take it to the next level and act like they started it. I mean you can still be part of a mute movement without claiming originate. I mean you can't have every right right you know. It's one thing to read about hear anecdotal stories about the movement coacher in it's another thing to have lived it and that's what i think a lot of folks that that don't have our experienced. Don't understand the other thing that they really can't fathom. It's really hard view on a stand up. You're not from here is how would you mentioned earlier by young guys like like a piere started in highest do and how even at early age like that that they were heavy influence in in this music genre even if you look at mendel all the parties that were there that's iconic no you have major dj Who'll were grown up. The no spinning at at adult clubs come into spent at mando parties. Because that was what you know you had to make your own stare before you were really considered a real dj back day Saw frankie frankie was grown with game here and frankie was been at all at sports. He had the warehouses splintered clubs but he made it. He made his way to mental too. And i think both overly understand that it's hard for both outside chicago to stand that experience. So i mean i'm glad to bring that up your off my soapbox. They got their grows now so he grew up in brooklyn and right. He's so i got a question for the panel. Isn't kevin sanderson really more of technology kind of a sound Yeah he does a a any buddy rocks though as far as dj. And i remember after we get back to a future did a ballroom event. I don't know probably about an eighty six years ago. It was probably the most watched ballroom in that was done in chicago. Loop it because it was a a reunion type of thing Myself i did. Fantasy girl live and i did. Some other future songs laugh vocals and they will spending they would tag team and then you had in the background. You had worry davis junior. You had Roy rene russo Do you my man psycho. That was a part of future four minute so but she had all of those acid guys that was there And then we did. This live ballroom set. Why did live vocals. And a banana. As shortly after that appear and spanky kind of went on tour Pr was always into the air anyway. Spin someplace But after that amazon. Is frankie kinda got back together and started working together on tracks again and started. They started back to her. And then i started back with a you know working with other producers in and doing more house music in in just trying to be more involved in more active so But that night on the set was. I want to say it was. We had future fantasy club stacey. Close it out these air. Stacey kia closed it out okay We had Pj ball johnson. Just rected von rectors said. I was hoping that we weren't going by paul causing set was correct And did and then. I want to say kevin was there too and i heard a set. Don't get it twisted. He is definitely a dj dj rubio and he goes all over the place you know he just no. Yeah and please forgive me. I'm not talking down or bad about technology. You know. I mean. I know we got a lot of these played techno music and is really huge over across the seas in you know so kevin keep doing your being much lower to your broke. You've done your pain. We appreciate you definitely a righteous do when it comes to his body of work in his catalog and a volume so stuff that he's don kevin saunderson and Matt respectful took. I have no problem if good music is music. I know people that know housing. Jj can't stand. I know house. Dj's they can't stand technology news. I'll you know if it's a technical guy that okay. This guy did it. one thing is. It's hard enough being creative and then to when you you wanna share their creativity where people putting yourself out there you yourself out to bear a you especially nowadays on social media you you risk of hearing all the negative stuff that can happen but you know people are creative day. Don't really care about that baid. If it's something that they need to get out is something that they wanna put out something. That's on my creativity. They they put it out and you know the negative stuff is in one out the ah blood. You've got a lot of folks that won't take that risk. They won't take that chance of being creative in the putting it out there for everybody to check out to see and then you have to deal with the some of the negative stuff to happen so you know it as long as good music right music. I don't care if a steph. No house i don't care for deep house garage style. How what do you think. The reason is People won't take that job. I don't know man You know is so interesting when When we first got together and did fantasy girl I think we worked on the saw one day. And then the next day docket dick booked studio time for us at In orland park. I forgot the name of the studio. It was a popular studio back in the day. A lot of house. Music artists used it over and orlin and He hit book like about four hours of studio time. So we get in there and Lay tracks funny. Because i had to get iraq studio one of my boys. Best friend door russell. I ended up driving me. Because i didn't have a car at the time and Yes yes so. We took a year right there. You go damn studio They had been there for about an hour. Working oversaw atlantic atlanta late not vocals. They laid down the baseline some arrangements on the track. So i would say probably about seventy five percent of the song had been laid instrument wise acid so i come in dhaka's sitting on the couch and has everybody you know So i was like i you know. Just go into the will you be it you know so i was like i ten minutes. Let me hit a track. So they played the track for about ten minutes and i of went through them may appear was going back and forth. We want the melody to go. And so we did. A rough driving ran through indian About a half an hour later. I was done laying vocals and we were done so dot was like wait a minute. Wait we got. We got another two hours of studio time. What y'all do on. I was like i'll need to do anything else. Came in and did my part. I said everything else is on you guys to makes down the so so they finish up they finish up mixing it down Think it was probably about two o'clock in the morning Peer called me and he was like He's like hey take take a listen to this. So i was like okay. So he's playing me to track over the phone that's hot. Yeah hot jumping on that one. Let's misbehave that's going to be a. Let's not miss the fact that was Over thirty years ago and that song still a lot of value which is also. 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How long have you been in the game. There's no way to know every aspect of it. And like i said with me you being from the fan aspect it's no way Know about all the things that you guys are doing on the produce. Ans- oh man i thank you so much for coming on here and maybe not educated verdel so much definitely. It's a meeting in a whole lot of the folks to our man. I appreciate you guys having me on. I definitely appreciate being a part of The burs as you know. Bob i i listen to you. Guys quite often I it's funny because a lot of people really still don't know my story in regards to you. What after because you don't talk about it like all these other bragging about i do this again. You let your word speak for yourself with personally. I mean i up that. And i think you really get the most respect when that happens that out. That's what would all know you let your work goes beyond anything. Choose the We'll tell you what i'm gonna do it. I'm going to call the mayor of chicago heights to have him name stretch lincoln highway fantasy girl boulevard. give looked with that. But let's try to see. Maybe if i had a gramling i i could probably pull it off like maurice hulu but i ain't got that kinda wait so you know i would i wouldn't but Nah i appreciate you guys. I didn't get a chance to reach out to up here but the understand that that there's new music steel coming out. We can't just all be stuck in the eighties thinking that that's all. There's the howlers of news. The coming out a new artist and planning a guys am-among The game mike is self that i still working on new stuff. And that's great to hear. I can't wait to see you in. Sit back alba cocktail and smoke a cigar and I just want to make a couple of announcements before we In his interview. Thank you so much. Have a great night. Muslims union family brother If you are like the music that we commented on over reference please check out. 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"Well, you was gone muster done a lot of. Got. I don't think that you could ever have. Well, you've been busy about my past mistakes. Yeah. And I'm gone down the whole songs Ohio. I've been riding with the ghost today. We're riding with our buddy, Pierre McGuire, who is doing great great. Great coverage I between the two benches. And he does. He's basically is the sideline dude. And he has has part of the announcing crew for the NHL finals, he he's, we'll find out as sure you may or may not know he's coached in Stanley Cup final only. He's he's eight minutes scout. The guy knows what he's talking about. And no one has a better seat for this Stanley Cup finals, then Pierre McGuire wanna talk to him. And then a special guest Joyce's for quick hits, which will reveal later and I hope you enjoy that. But I got a lot of stuff talk about interesting past weekend, probably, you know, in this time of year, the focus is mainly on hockey and mainly on the NBA. And there was a story that superseded both prized everyone. And because the NBA finals aren't done at the time of recording. This. The Toronto Raptors up to one all over a depleted, Golden State worse team. Although I believe that Kevin Durant will be back. I believe that Clayton's will be back and we'll see what happens in game four, but the hockey is going to be three to one way or the other. So we're gonna talk to Peter Maguire but this past weekend. A heavyweight bout Andy Ruiz that shocked the world shocked the world in a way that I think I'm not sure it's getting as much coverage as it deserve, like watching Andries win that fight against Joshua in waiting a boxing match that nobody gave him credit for eleven to one underdog this, the moment where you're like I can't have that fried chicken sandwich. I'm not going to go to the gym today to Andy Ruiz heavy he unified all the belts and can barely unify one belt around his way needs a seat extender on Southwest Airlines. See built extent dude looks like your cousin who fought five people at a sublime concert. He looks like he just fought twelve people at keen senior. Because he said his purse was on the seat, and then it fell on seats, but he's still fighting people. Right. He's got side boobs, like we were talking about this with Corolla Adam Kroll on his show and Kroll made the best suggestion ever that instead of a championship belt. He's going to need a championship bra. Brought to you by Lululemon. This is the time where we bring he's going to unify the championship sports, bra Andy Ruiz, junior, this dude, I, I loved him in the post game press conference fast hands and knocked down got back up again to quote shove a woman would he got knocked down? I, he took a breath and I was like this dudes done. He's finished and Anthony Joshua a specimen six six chiseled out of granite. He makes he had such a reach event like eight inch reach advantage on this guy. And this guy got inside and was firing punches from down low, and, you know, a lot of landless, and they were saying Joshua was ducking Deontay wilder, who's the other sort of heavyweight contender. The top heavyweight contender for these belts. Ducking him ducking him ducking himself wilder, by the way, is there are a lot of people who criticize his boxing skills in just that he's just a, a wild puncher. He is a Deontay wilder puncher. Did he Tyson fury though? Yes. But like he's a wild ponder. Just is like so unpredictable streetfighter. He just out of nowhere. I love his outfits, that he comes in, in basically, looks like he's going into to an eyes wide shut party right before he's coming from or going to after the fight. He's a great great figure in boxing. And he wanted to fight Joshua Joshua was duck and him so Joshua fight series. The next fight Deontay wilder took was Ruiz, and he got a ton of grief for that. And yet, now here we are while there, we'll have a chance against Ruis to win all the belts, and then he can fight Joshua boxing suddenly is relevant again in the heavyweight class. Thanks to fat, Andy REEs junior. Andy Mexican, he's a Mexican steal a phrase joke that. We made on cheap seats about role Garcia. I couldn't be happier for boxing. We now suddenly have a storyline, we have when the heavy when it's like when the New York Knicks are good. It's good for basketball. It's when the heavyweight division has drama. It's good when it has intrigued it is great for by not to take anything away the middle divisions. Great. And the smaller divisions are fantastic. I appreciate those guys you preciado bantamweight wealth through trade of. Loma chanko and triple g those guys are fantastic course, you know, the Manny Pacquiao Floyd Mayweather that all is great stained boxing, for years. But when you got heavyweights you were just watching the Muhammad Ali documentary his own word you get heavyweights that are at the top of the game. Or the intrigue is at the top of the game there, the cards that people wanna send Ruis is the most intriguing guy ever. Because when you think about who was the fat heavyweight, buddy. It was butterbean but he was always on the undercard. That's right. This guy. This guy is the card, and who was the fat guy, George Foreman. George Formosa verse one was when he was older. When you had like nine kids, who were all named George Foreman when he was selling grill fat burning grill, and he himself was that the right he had earned the right to be fat because you remember him in the late seventies, when he was he was a mountain of a man. He was a chisel guy. He was the guy everyone feared stepping into the ring hands of stone now to put it in context Buster Douglas, was I believe either forty one or forty two to one against Mike. Tyson. I think that has more to do with the Mike Tyson than it does BUSTER. Douglas Mike Tyson was so quote unquote unbeatable. That, that's why there was a bigger dispiriting? He has Josh has been knocked down. I mean he has been knocked down, but he comes back, but it just was unbelievable. Anthony Joshua has been dominating the heavyweight class for like four years. It's not like he's won every fight with a knockout in the firm put in a larger context then we'll get outta here. We'll get to Pierre McGuire tall. Cocky, but the larger context is Andy Ruis junior makes everything possible. He literally makes everything possible. You can be a guy who doesn't work out. You got chest tattoos on your man boobs. You he does work out, but he's just not losing weight. He's like he's like a prince fielder, you're like, are you really vegan? Your huge dude, I guess vegan, you can eat all the pasta you want fine. But I'm saying like he he is not a specimen, he isn't like a like Andy REEs junior should be on the cover of the body. You on ESPN boom. There you go. I'm just saying. He makes it all possible. He makes the normal guys magazine think is done. That's right. But I'm just saying that he, he makes everything possible. And for the guy sitting on a couch, drinking a beer or for the woman watching it, who is just pounding pasta fat shamed. Her entire life. Andy Ruiz steps up. And he is the people's champion the people's champion Andrew is. And I hope he beats Deontay wilder while they're how great would it be? If our champion are boxing champion, right? They're gonna change the way we look at roadwork for the rest of our lives. There you go. There you go love it. When we come back on the other side of this break, we got Pierre McGuire. The great Pierre McGuire from NBC's coverage of the NHL Stanley. He's doing killing in the Stanley Cup finals and we have course have a dogfight with team that we love in great Boston team as well. So it is going to be amazing to hear his thoughts on the series currently. And what's going on this? Volcano choir the project. Of a bony bear side project. If you will song comrade, we come back, Pierre McGuire on the chiefs are comrades, stay with us kept me on you. All right. Welcome back to the show as promised. There is no better time of the year, and no better time to talk to this gentleman, then right in the heat of a fantastic Stanley Cup finals between are very beloved blues and the Boston Bruins, who I can't remember in my lifetime a an aesthetic of finals that have been that has been so much punch counterpunch as this series like you can't predict we're talking to Pierre McGuire peer how you doing? Buddy gentlemen, really nice to visit with you. I'm doing fantastic. Getting ready for game five tonight, boss. I know so this our shows going to drop on Friday, which is, I'm happy that it's too, too, because we won't know the outcome of this series yet. We can talk about every different scenario. You're down on the ice with the best seat in the house, in my opinion, I, I have to ask you because you're so great at this with all the craziness and I don't think it gets crazier than a Stanley Cup final in, in the arenas. How do you remain so calm your when? You interview someone is if you're doing it on NPR, I can't believe it. I don't know probably some experience. I've been down there, a long time in the league thirty one years, but you know had a chance to be involved with two Stanley Cup finals as a scout in a player coach, I should say, so it's something that I really appreciate at something never take for granted. But the spirit of cooperation with the players coaches over fifteen years that we've been doing this has been phenomenal really has to get it. Get what they're getting when they when they're sitting there talking to you. They're so happy to be there, and I always feel like you get a real interview, you really actually get in and talk to these guys, which love. Well, thanks men. I enjoyed doing it and I really appreciate you guys saying that, thank you. Well, we've we've really enjoyed this series on the playoffs on the whole, and this is sort of the interesting thing, I'm not comparing it to the NBA playoffs. But the to go on at the same time, I don't think you would see in the NBA multiple eight seeds beating a one seed in the same playoffs. I mean, isn't. I mean, isn't that crazy that hockey can can produce that because we have something that the other sports don't have? It's called the goalie. Yeah, that's off the goalie gets infla-. Go be problems for the top seed. I've called a lot of one versus eight's in L. Never forget one. Montreal back in two thousand ten beat the presence trophy champions, Washington Capitals in seven game series and Yaroslava lock was a goalie for Montreal. And if he's not in goal, there's no way Montreal wins. But Montreal wanna game seven on the road was sixteen shots on net. You know, you can't make that up. That's unreal. Yeah. I think they were outshot forty two sixteen and they still won the game. So the goalie makes a massive difference in our sport in terms of upsets the king's head Jonathan quick. Certainly, I mean took that eighth play eighth seed kings team very far. And so, you know, it's, it's amazing. What a goal is even bigger than a starting pitcher in the in the World Series, you can even. Start three games. That's a great point. You know, it's more like a quarterback, and Super Bowl art goalies play all time. Just like quarterbacks you starting pitchers might only get two or three starts in a series, so yeah, no definitely makes it different absolute. And in this Stanley Cup finals right now, we've got two of the best in the league playing the best in the league and Dennis game ni-nice game three game three which was a bit of an aberration. But because the rest the rest of the series has been pretty amazing with guys standing on their head. It's been really good. The one thing that stood out in this series of physicality usually, we have a lot of intensity, which is great. But what we're having now is intensity and physicality and there's a carnage factor going on in this series now. That's been pretty amazing to watch and see how the what the guys are gone through on how they're dealing with. It has been amazing to me it's been great drama. And again, what hockey allows you crew puts that hit on? He he puts that hit on helmet. Lewis hit in that game. One and every single Saint Louis blues it blew in the next game was said, we're gonna finish our checks on this, dude. We're gonna all the way through and to his credit Tori. Knew was coming coming and you could see him in the in the pre game skate, he was bracing for. He knew he knew it was coming and I thought he handled it fantastic. Well, that's the one thing I mean, guys know there's always going to be retribution yum. It's just the way the nature is the nature of the beast in our sport. And so now you're looking at situation where does chara come back the rest of the series? I don't think he does even if he does he's not going to be playing with the reckless abandon because you're, there's something inside you psychologically that says, don't lead with your jaw here because it's broken. I would say that there's a real good chance, you'll sees Dana chara play the rest of the series but he will not play at the same levels that today. No charge used to plan on. It's just I coached the player. Rick talk in the nineteen Ninety-two Stanley Cup final versus Chicago and he had a while. For his job actually said before he played in it helped him a ton, but I can tell you he went through unbelievable amounts of pain in order to play, and he was a hugely important player for us. But he had time to actually he'll up before he had to go through this chart hasn't had that time. So it's going to be a whole other question for him at the go through again. It's the human drama. It's the element of it. The guys just fearless leader. And he care so much about the wellbeing of his team. He wants to help anyway possible. Any the mountain amount of crazy is like that play was a result of his insane wingspan. You know, the stick reached out so far, that he's the one who blocked it up into his face. It wasn't like it was shot directly into his face. But that just shows you how many shots he could disrupt. That's a great point too. I mean, if he doesn't have that wingspan highly unlikely he's getting hurt. You know, there's a brain Shan shot. Now, Z would tell you the Dana would tell you he created that opportunity against Boston, because he turned the puck over Hsien made a really good play at the offense blue line. But. That made the wayward passed. So again, he was kind of the author of his own demise in that situation. And the in Shan has been doing it a bunch in this series. He got the open net goal by in center ice making that steel, which he's been all over the place after a somewhat of a lacklustre first couple rounds. The dude who I think is one of the best players on the blues really on, you know, that again very valid point. Here's one thing about Brayden. That's really something that not a lot of fans. No, he's in a fulltime NHL player for nine years. Yeah. Eight of those nine years. He's played on a team that Craig brew is either been the head coach or the assistant coach of. So there's a level of comfort in a level of trust there in a lot of players, wouldn't have with a coach, but you could see braiding has a trust of his coach. And he clearly has a trust to play for that coach. You really trust this coach. And you go back to Baru be as a player. He's a guy that would fight the whole team for one guy on his team. So loyalty and stand. Up for your guys. That's who, that's his DNA. He was one of the tough. When I coach in a leak in the prime of his career he was as tough as any guy in the league. And I'll tell you this right now. He never fought for himself. He always fought for his team. Yeah. There's a huge difference between the guys at fight for themselves, and the guys that fight for their teen she fought for this team not from self talk about that. I mean in, in hockey, obviously, there is fighting that's allowed, which is kind of crazy. It's like just let your brothers fight it out. All right. They're gonna get tired of actually and then we're going to jump on the rug. And then we'll send him into the room, right? So that's set of the old, the old boxes were. But in, in baseball, there's less of that. I mean if someone throws a ball at someone's head, but there was a moment, a couple years ago in the cubs historic run in two thousand sixteen where Anthony Rizzo early in the season. Someone through pitch has got he stepped up on the dugout. He stepped up and he looked at everybody on the other team and says, I'll fight you all I'll take anybody. And I think that showed the rest of his team. Yeah. He's guy's gonna fight for anybody on the team. And that's an interesting analogy ran because the blues, you know, kind of I don't wanna say. The cubs on ice. But they are that team that has gotten so close, and it seems like all the brakes have gone the other way up until this this this season. And I think for us obviously we're big Blue's fans lifelong, but I think hockey needs that story that can transcend the sport. And go to other people to bring in more and more viewers. I think Craig point all true all legit. I mean, when you think about last year and a veteran finally winning a Cup like that's a guy if you're not even if you're not even a caps fan, you say that guy has played so well for so long. This is going to be drunk in a fountain yet about it. I want to see that, but he celebrated like the way I would celebrate. If I won citing those guys the joy when they went to the Washington nationals game like normally the hockey players hang out for like, I don't know five innings and then split these guys were hanging out so long. I'm sure the stadium people like you guys gotta go, this it, man. It's, it's an amazing. Asian trophy to win had the good fortune of touch at twice. And I've slept with a twice. I tell you, it's one of those things where you never wanna leave the bed, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Well, Syria mazing, the fact that you've done that and the fact that you're then standing on the ice and talking to these guys, they know they know you understand how important it again. Going back to how great it is. And how much you capture what's going on in that moment, you know, again, we grew up watching hockey where they didn't have the Pierre McGuire on the literally standing on the ice talking to people to me. I think it's such a great way to get back. Game. We love it. Well, our, our boss NBC came up with this vision back in two thousand four and I'll never forget when they approached me at the Stanley Cup finals between Tampa and Calgary. And they said, do think you could do this and I said, I know I can I just don't think the league will allow it and they said, if you think you can you have the job. And that's how I got my job. They're lucky to have you guys are nice. It's great. I feel blessed to have the opportunity do it every single night. I love it. I let's talk about this as the series kind of winds up. We got a game tonight. And obviously, you know, when this episode drops is tomorrow will know what happens. So someone's going down three two going back to Saint Louis. How do you see it playing out in the rest of the series and, you know again I it looks like the blues to do to win. What are the what is Boston? The is half the play their ground and pound. They gotta get puck steeped dominate the boards at dominate the opposition slot. They can't give up on ran Russia's if they do that they're going to be very, very successful if the Bruins find a way to take away that board plan that ground in town playing can get their transition game going which they were able to do in game on which they were able to do in game three that becomes a little bit more of a complicated equation for Saint Louis figure out. So that's going to be the tell tale for both teams want he's gotta get their skill in their flow game going on team's gotta. Get their nasty roll around in kinda game gone. So it's two different styles. And it'll be really apparent I think early on, you'll see which team will be in trouble, which seem will be okay. I say Lewis has played great on the road and of course, Boston is an unbelievable home team. But do you think them being depleted somewhat certainly on defense that this that could be maybe that little crack of a factor that could give the blue slight edge, or could it could? But here's the one caveat all that took harass has never played this well in his life. Yeah. As he's unbelievable. So when you have these kinds of situations that are mounting against you in the goalie knows that he can deliver that becomes a problem for the opposition. So that's the one caveat to this too, because it got the experience. He's been through two different runs to the final before this autopsied starting twenty eleven but he was there started at twenty thirteen in play the whole way. But this is this is the one thing again. We talk about one versus eights, all the upsets the goalie has an opportunity. A mess CARA and cover up a lot of some of the blemishes teams have will there was that period that that period of time like a three minute period of time where the blues in the second period of this last before they got scored on short. I can't remember pressure like that in any Stanley, and they want to your point that you just made to caress kept kept the puck out of the net on just an unbelievable onslaught. They kept that puck in that zone longer than I've ever seen. I was unbelievable pressure. I've, I've been doing this long time. I've never seen that in a Stanley Cup final. I've seen in regular season games. I've seen it in early conference games. I've never seen that in a final never seen that kind of pressure never five on five like, yeah, we have six skaters on the ice felt like it. What did they pull bidding it? No. But I mean it wasn't amazing amazing thing, but only to be. And this is what could really tell the whole series. So, so Boston short, this is the metaphor there short handed and they come up with just an amazing play. Marsh lane pass great guy catches, it puts it down and then literally put it on goal and scores. And you say to yourself own my God, they just had three minutes of the most intense pressure. The blues did not score assu-. Hand in Boston comes back and scores. And that could be the metaphor for what could turning point. But then the blues collected themselves and found a way to score in the third period. This does like a heavyweight match where they're just standing in there and h giving their best shot and taking it and turning around and giving it right back. No question I think that that's going to be interesting thing to watch in game five to see, you know, which teams going to buckle. I don't think either team of buckle quite frankly. I think it's going to be really tight the rest of the way for about the. I mean can we decide for one moment about rhino Riley, and how he has really changed? I think changed the, the complexity and the nature and the, the makeup of this blues team like that guys on the ice he kinda reminds me in a hockey sense of Colli Leonard that dude is always in the right spot. Always makes the right play. I mean that rebound goal that he basically swatted out of the air was miraculously. He is he's an eighth competitor. You know, a lot of people forget this. She made the league in eighteen year old is. Second round pick. They're not a lot of, you know, first round picks at eighteen that are making a leaky made it as a second round pick as an eighteen year old which is amazing. He's always had tremendous hockey IQ's not the fastest player. He's not the strongest player, not the biggest player. He's just a player, right? It's a really good player. And one of the things that really stands out to me is how composed is he never panics a lot of guys that are, you know, high strung guys a panic from time to time rhino Riley, never panicked, which is really priceless to watch. He's so soft spoken to afterwards, this like a almost like a I'm happy just to be here air about him that like you get the feeling definitely appreciates the moment in the moment. It's hard to see that the when you're going through it. In hockey has gotten you talk about how fast hockey's got an even from the from the nineties to now I think hockey is is almost completely different game. You know, the again, valid point and I'll give you a case in point. We had a reunion twenty fifth reunion for ninety two Stanley Cup winning team. And we had taped made of some of those special moments from the, the ninety two series we were the last team to win. And the only team has ever won eleven straight games to win the Stanley Cup amazing in the playoffs. So we were watching it. And then Mary Lemieux is sitting down with myself in a couple of the other guys. And he said, I think we might be one of the only teams from the nineties could still play in this era, because we, we were really, really fast and we were really skillful. But he's right. We had a different team than most of the other team. That's why we had you know, back tobacco ups, but they're not a lot of teen from those vintages that could come into this Erin play just because of the sheer speed and the overwhelming skill of the game today I totally agree with that we were watching these second game that Wayne Gretzky ever play the first home on it on cheap seats on our old schone SPN with that he did. And watching the second game of Wayne Gretzky. That's the same thing. He was skating in a way that, that speed that no one else was guys just weren't skating that way, they just in seventy nine they just weren't doing it. He was. Circles around everybody. Understood why this guy was so great. All right. So if you had to predict I know that it's hard to do if you had to predict who wins a series in how many games let's don't get into that because I have to stand between both teams along. All right. Well, I do think this is an unborn. This is the series that I kind of want everyone to be watching this, this series, I think, is the type of thing they can then when you talk about NBA versus NHL, it's funny because the Golden State is so depleted in the star power so low right now this is actually a good time for hockey. I think people are tuning into it, because they're saying to themselves way, there's really exciting series. There's an amazing story going on a chance to see history. I think there is a factor where if you don't live in Boston. Everyone hates Boston, so you've got this sort of people ru there's some to root foreign on the root against unless you're in of your in Boston written for Boston. I gotta tell you the ratings from the Saint Louis marketplace. In state of Missouri are off the charts. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just unbelievable. We're forty forty seven. And we've been rooting for this team was Dan Kelly. Like there might not have been a better Now, Dan Kelly. Dan, Kelly that, Dan Kelly, and Danny Gallivan or the two best announcers ever. And then comes my partner for the last fourteen years, doc, Emrick. Well, hey, I know you're busy. I know you got the the game tonight. We can't wait to watch you do and can't wait to watch on the rest of the series, don't get puck two inches from again. And that was the craziest video of ever seeing that thing as it's coming by your face. You gotta be thinking million things, grazes your. That's great, great video. Man. That's a great. Too much. Thanks for having me on do it anytime you guys have been great air. You're awesome enjoy. We'll talk to you. Thank you. Para mcguire. Look at that air Aguire. You know, there's something about that, which, you know, when you talk to a guy like that, and you understand where he's coming from, and who he is. And you understand that, like, that's the guy who's played that's guy who's coached won a Stanley Cup and it all comes through in how he interviews what everybody's going through. And what a what a great thing on game day for him to give us that much time. We feel incredibly blessed so happy to do it in this moment win the Stanley Cup finals are coming on. We're gonna do a little special thing. They come back because guess joins us for crickets is name is Daniel van Kirk. He's our co host, for dumb people town in our good friend. And he knows his sports. This is special episode and NHL finals episode of you from the cheap seats. We appreciate all you guys listening. Don't go anywhere. Don't change your podcast dial. This is our good buddies berry from Brooklyn, the songs Michigan, and we'll be back right after this with more view from the cheese. Welcome back to the show peer. Oh, piere. Fantastic. Edible McGuire in the box. He was so great. And so honest dictionaries about these predict the series. And I get that because he's, you know, he's in between both teams I understand. But he did give us a breakdown of what needs to happen if the Bruins went win and what happens to happen, if the blues win win, we're on the precipice or something, potentially very exciting. And I'm so glad we had him on. And now we move our attention over two quick hits, and who better to join us with wacky wild stories and the co host of our fantastic podcast. He brings us so much joy Daniel van Kirk your sports and hey, buddy. Well, then how are you a sports fan? You know what's going on in the world of sports and we love hanging with you. So we couldn't miss this upper to have you do crickets with us. A lot of crazy stuff is happening into let's get you right away, Scottie Pippen, all Scottie, Pepe. Remember the Scottie Pippen, days, Pippen, Scottie, Pippen, his suing a comedian. Yes. Did you hear the story Canadian and her husband rented his house? Okay. At thirty thousand dollars a month. I'm like, what comedian comedian? And I never heard, I've never I'm like, if it was Amy Schumer, you'd be like, yeah, that makes and his naming their four-year-old, daughter, five-year-old accuses five years at the time, five year old daughter of defacing his home with crowns, which by the way, Krantz, you can't get that out of any that'll never come out. They said pets peed all over the rugs pets and kids, Scottie. Pippen, is very angry at these people, they wouldn't have done this to hold grant. Oh, well you don't do that. He'd have the goggles on that weight. So who now and their house, he rented out for thirty grand a month to a comic? We don't know yet. What's her name? Her name is her last name is Glazer. So it's not Alana Glazer. No former Chicago Bulls star Scottie Pippen, has accused young girl of defaced, his Florida mansion with markers, and crowns markers. So now that actually look you have mansion in Florida. It's gonna get like craft also like don't you a little bit is on this family to, like, don't you make sure that your daughter? What their excuse was the cleaning crew didn't show up enough. What that he still you left someone else's house like yeah. Can't take care Strouss study biff, but so far. I'm completely on board with Scottie Pippin. Yeah, I get it. And I understand that you can't really vet who you're bringing into your home. But yeah, they have to just if you are the parents of a four year old girl, and debt person has put marks on the it is your responsibility to get high up. Hire someone to. Clean your. If you're spending thirty thousand dollars, right? Mon new grant for through grant, and it's gonna be less than that. I know that's saying, oh my God played to the suit filed last year. Pippen said the girl was four years old damage certain elements of the property with coloring tools. That's his fault. Also. How does hollering, maybe the dad is a really bad drawer? Thank you. Let me get some coloring tools Lindsey Glazer. I can't believe we're Avalon a little over Stanton. Okay. Keep going Jacob wool law had a big fan of ours. Okay. I I just I made a. Shit. And I when I watch Jay comedies heart. Okay. Glazer statement. You guys been doing it. What twenty five years, if you look at our stuff, and they don't like it fine. Whatever I get from it isn't whether or not, it's even good. Yeah, it's just jarring. This even happens to me here in LA when you're like somebody is deemed successful. Or if we're not taking anything with them, the jarring part is. How do I not know you? Yes, that's the jar bridles. No. Who you are? Then you have got to be doing something in a universe. That I'm not that's the weird feeling symbol, but I would be on my radar right? Especially because he has in both seeing you either be an festival that I've been at you'll either be getting some buzz that I've heard of you'll be on. This was not a lot of people doing the Virgil and the and the store on the same. So here's the here's the woman said comedian this in a statement from her spokesman she's got a spokesman Jan. You don't have a spokesman you need a spokesman. Dan? Get one she dismissed Pippen's clan. This is her this quote, who would have ever thought that Dennis Rodman would be strengthening relations with North Korea, and Scott, nobody thought that nobody on and Scotty. No tip in Pippen, what the hell does. That mean would be a crate, winter a loser with those six rings would be the crazy one suing little girl. She said so going, I mean he's giving her a comic. She's. In Broward County court in December two, that's your problem pip don't get a mansion in Broward County iguana in December Fort Lauderdale home causing more than one hundred nine thousand dollars in damage. That's almost three months rent wallpaper. The Cup almost four his home temporarily after their Fort Lauderdale house was damaged in September two thousand seventeen by hurricane Irma. They paid thirty thousand dollars a month for rent according to lawsuit. Okay. So your husband is extremely well, or you come from a ton of money. Some way under so far. Underground comedy, seeing that we don't even know about gold down there. Hip and had placed the home on the market, but agreed to like laser and Walsh in rent as long as it was maintained in top show condition. That's not top show condition. Real on Mesa in the may second minute complaint. The former Chicago Bulls, players, sued the couple said a couple of other pets dog and a cat to urinate throughout the home thereby causing permanent stains and unsanitary condition. Right. We got it. You know what I I'm on the is it. You have to name that you do say you can't you can't named unless unless the woman unless that woman who, who is the comedian unless she is going to step up and take the brunt of the Abie who knows knows on this. I'm with pip on this. We might we might start making shirts. I'm hip, I'm here with. I'll tip with bit with, like the struggle, the Drake, curse very real the Drake or so, you know about the Drake's right exist anymore. We're not trying to defend a belt. You're good. Mean so you saw that. So we talked to the top of the show. I mean if the raptors win, then I think you put it to bed. I mean Drake right. There's no guys Draken Anthony Joshua, I know there's no do the thing with chicken or something like that. And then there was also a deal and then we lost twenty sixteen during March madness or one of you had to have a button half in half out on your shirt. It only watch. Didn't you? And I sit down and watch back on. Did you leave random do anything cubs related that like this where you're at the restaurant that you left at crying about it? That was like nine year old. He called the restaurant says it affect their women houses. Do you have my hat? It doesn't affect their wins or losses in the lease. All I'm saying to you is yes, you're superstitious. Yes, fine. We are super slash. I mean Drake at this point like so okay so, so now the warriors are up. Okay. So now, the warriors are as we record, actually, the words are losing. So now Toronto's up to one to one and if they win a lot of the warriors are hurt. If Kevin Durant, or the other or Klay Thompson can't come back in and play and it's just Steph again and cave on loonies got a problem and everybody's got issues if that happens again, and they go up three one does Drake do allow Drake. Do you allow? Break to sit in the audience. Do Jay Drake Curtis. I'm Toronto Joshua should destroy any Joshua took a picture with him. And said, we're getting rid of this curse, and then he had the most cursed experience ever, which we talked about the top of the show out to break the curse June. I know you're not it's because he over a man. He did not train Tate. He look over a manner. Did the curse look over the masters? Dan, that's asking over the man or did the curse. Look over the mass you saying, the curse, not real no struggle, Israel. Curses not very disagreements quick side question. Who are the are the warriors had just lost. You did. No not. No, no. I, I can't hear me or anyone you're here, you know, it is on. I could hear it. Told me about the music the music she can put it in post. Let me ask you this. Do you think the warriors are good for them be I think the warriors going to the finals is good for the NBA? I think the raptors winning is better for the worry about this next dominance is good rent. Someone else winning even makes it he's seeing all. However, if the Golden State Warriors aren't healthy, and they get dominated, then it becomes a weird side, clashes that Drake blessing. Let's get to. Let's talk about this last one. Now, this is crazy. Okay. And it's crazy for a lot of reasons this story, but is amazing New York Jets lady on lady about who sat out all last year because he thought her Steeler for steel, and he thought that warmer, Michigan state Spartans thought that the Steelers were doing him wrong doing Duri. So he's like, I'm gonna sit out sit out the whole year and then got the money that he thought he was deserved before, okay? Now he's got a lot of jewelry Jewish. You Jemaine Russian jury coming on chain man eating. Eating a single on the outfit, right up in gold channel full had to Topi sponsors. Here we go. A fubu throw baseball uniform. I'm talking cleats socks and the chain Belet's looks good NFL running back leaving on bail out five hundred twenty thousand dollars after two women allegedly dispersed with all of his jewelry. Your jets players say he left his girlfriend's a look girlfriends. Some big is glossing over the fact that this, dude regularly has three with their identified as his girlfriend's. He's Raleigh longs. They're all consensually open about the relationship but he sat out of a lot of football. He sat out of season. Yeah. He created new love dated. He started relations relationships. Collegue connection franchise tag. Well, he didn't can't build them that. Well, because he left his girlfriend's alone, Florida residents to go to the gym, and they destroyed his walls, crowns, just, you know, that day, pip day ransacked his, his closet when he entered the closet. He noticed that some of his items were displaced in his blue jewelry case was open and empty. Blue on. Okay. If you are Levy on bell, you get a safe. Am I right? Or wrong. You have jewelry jewelry out at all do not trust anybody. Because you're making these you had to guess what would you say it, probably had a quarter million dollars or six hundred. I know how much lost five hundred twenty thousand dollars worth what he lost. That's not what he just had out in that causing some items. You know, he did answer the MRIs to make you ready for the missing show items dimissing Adams are two gold Cuban link chains with diamonds, a gold chain with a Black Panther pendant, which contain black and white diamonds. A rose gold Rolex presidential watch in two tone to tone, rose. Golden white gold Cuban link bracelet, all things that I would never wear detectors, in Hollywood Florida are actively investigating the case. The running back is setup two thousand eighteen in March. Again, four year place in Florida for your. Fifty care who you are. I don't care who you think you say how much you have four years, fifty two point five million dollars. I'm sure a lot of it. Because at least right, so brothers got money and, and there's insurance, but you can't replace the trust that he lost shoes right now at along those Danny replace those two girlfriends and second. That's. It's. Sucks. There we go. That's it quick. Thank you. Thank you for sitting in with us. I love avenue on. Hey, just for Daniela and Kirk. Oh, follow him on Twitter at Daniel van and on Instagram inventory. And go to Dan van Kirk dot com dates right now coming in the mid west go see him live. He is amazing live. And of course, go catch him with us on people town, our podcasts that we do together. We'd love to have you signed by buddy. And when we come back after the break, we got a voicemail from a very angry. And newly annulled nil you're gonna wanna stick around for that we right by back with more from readiness. Known this. Hey guys, welcome back to the show. That was fantastic. Thank you. Dan van Kirk, who is a joy. This is an exciting time of the year, and no one more excited about his own personal life, which always seems to supersede anything that's going on in the rest of the world. I mean his life is almost like a sporting event. You think it's going to be a marathon. And then, of course it becomes a sprint out of nowhere, although he strikes me as a guy that would sprint a marathon in dress shoes. We're talking about Nick cage. He left us. Voicemail. Check it out. Jason Ray nNcholas cage here, guys. Oh man. So much going on here out of the in the hot desert streets of loss, Vegas, Nevada. But I wanted to come to you guys, I to respond to some recent Reemers going on, apparently, my most recent ex wife, who again I was married to for four days. She's out here, trashing me and the press saying that, that I'm trying to get back with her trying to reconcile with her. She is out in Vegas already dating somebody else, and she's saying that, you know, I tried to get back with her after I filed for an annulment after only being married for four days. Legis kid one thing and one thing straight guys. Nncholas cage only looks out for nNcholas cage. That's why I'm constantly not. Two women. Yeah. Guys, here's the deal. I I've got drunk, this literally, the descriptions to why I'm no longer married to her. I said that I was too drunk and we got married and it was a total mistake. And then in twelve days later, you can read the report. That's an actual news story. Out down, twelve days later, I went tried to reconcile with her, and she did not take me back. But you know what? I didn't take her back. Yeah. Guys, here's the deal loss. Vegas is a hot bed of summer basketball action. So dick, h can't be tied down. Anyway, guys, we have the NBA summer league is coming here. I've already got my season tickets. I'm already currently camped out under the stands here at the Thomas and Mack arena, Las Vegas UNLV running ribs, fuck that shit NBA summer Pearl. Leaves all the big guys are going to be here on Williams said job, Iran. People Bob, you know, all the guys, you know, we're, it's going to be a hot time out here. And, you know, the Las Vegas aces of the WNBA are out here. Just utterly dominating so nNcholas cage is not need to be tied down to any woman, especially one who I married for only four days. So, you know, I may have called her to try to get back with her, but. I think we all do some things when we're drunk. Okay. Nicholas cage. It's money now. Okay. Guys and you guys just have great time. Let me know if you wanna come out biggest one ever to go. See the summer pro league. If you wanna see on Williams center Kerry, I'm sure there's a Gary playing the VA somber probably kit me up. Nncholas cage will get you tickets to hopefully it'd be a game, but definitely one of the search shows. Yeah. I did did you see the video of him? Did see the video him after he got the marriage annulled the video of him singing, aggressive Kariuki. It was. It's pretty unbelievable. It's amazing. All right. There you go. That's a show. Everybody you go. That's how we do up here in in view from the chiefs. He's we give you the most current people for the events that are happening this week. Stanley Cup finals were knee-deep in at someone's going to be down three two or up three to when this thing drops and think we appear McGuire sort, everything out for us. Thank you. Daniel van Kirk for doing quick. It's always fun to hang with you. Follow at Kenny Stevenson on Twitter at Kenny G, steam, Kenny, G, Stevenson believe, and, and that's it, man. 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