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4: Episode 4

Paul Pickett Podcast

39:36 min | 10 months ago

4: Episode 4

"It was good. How's everybody doing out there? It's your boy. Paul Pickett. Once again, we back on a Paul piggot podcast episode for you know, we just kind of got back in a podcast like last week, but we going to go full steam ahead. We Don't Do It full episodes and like a week and half and what not, you know, like I told people before like I used to do podcasts and life. I go over a decade ago when it was just audio podcast and then just automatic and stuff like that and you know as so many other things going on at the time, it's just hard to do so much by yourself. And the people I was counting on a ReliOn won't really reliable and you know now ten years later. I've you know come accustomed to working odd. Smarter and not harder as I like to say work smarter not harder, especially as you get older, you got to work smarter not harder. And so, you know, I just figured out ways to work smarter not harder off and now I'm able to get back into the podcasting and the Vlogs as well. I'm doing now, you know, we got the Vlog dropping on the channel if you only YouTube channel, of course, grab bottom right corner, you know, I'm saying there's a little button down there says subscribe. If you're on YouTube, you know, if you're on other platforms, you know, follow her or like or subscribe to that platform page and whatnot. Also, check out the podcast on Apple Spotify Deezer Amazon music app TuneIn. And you know other platforms as well as should be on iHeartRadio. So, of course, you know, this is a sports and music podcast. I haven't got a music topics yet, cuz we got the NBA finals going on. So it's kind of really dominating things. So we get into a few days NBA related make up with some NFL to you know, I'm saying. You know why I got time, but first of all, I don't get into you know, what I saw on the show first things first today when Dick thought it was hilarious is take about the LA Clippers GM. getting the executive of the year will bring it in. Kawhi Paul George Morris and Joakim Noah, I really don't know if he should get any credit for bring it in. Like koalas koalas going to really sign there anyways. You know what not. But let's go ahead and give him credit, you know signed. He signed quad he traded away as Nick Wright said way off P or pandemic P of playoff P whatever you want to call Paul George away for you know a kid, you know a liver a kidney. Along the heart everybody part, you know I'm saying on it. And you trade him off everything like four first-round picks and you know, Gallinari and Shane Gillis Alexander, which is up becoming good young and then you picked up one of the Morris twins and old man Joakim Noah, but like how does that really outdo follicular getting a d first team all-nba the other Morris twin the better Morris. When is Nate right says and we got Dwight Howard man, like Dwight Howard led a Orlando changing maybe finals in the promise career. I mean, I'm trying to figure out What team did Joe key Noah, let me think about this. What team did Joakim Noah take today? NBA Finals. Let me lift up a scratch my head on this little bit am still waiting. I don't know what team that is. You know, I'm saying this I did at the Clippers had the best do all year. They had to like, you know that every time Paul George's went up against LeBron like it doesn't go so well, I mean you heard what DeMar DeRozan setup and JJ Redick podcast the the three and old man or the old man in three, whatever. I forgot what it's called, but you heard what he said. It's It's impossible. It's damn near impossible to get past the broader. I'm not it like I'm not going to use the the language used but yeah, he the way he said it was just so funny. It's just like you gotta be Tom Cruise to get passed LeBron in the playoffs, man. Damn. Yeah. I mean, it's like Mission Impossible. This guy's been in the finals. for nine of the last 10 you know not a last ten years man, and then they comes to the west and everybody talking about what he only did what he did cuz he was in the east coast to the west and second here there to find was taken out there to LeBron James ever since ever since he left Cleveland the first time and delivered a championship. It is second year. It is Cleveland. He goes to the finals the first year with Miami and they don't they don't win but they win a second year. He delivers one of the second year off. When he leaves Miami, he goes to Cleveland. They go to the finals the first year and he yeah, like I said about he go to the finals the first year. And Kevin Love gets hurt and like the first or second round of the playoffs and Kyrie gets her game one of the finals and he's got no, but Matthew dellavedova that finals and update they would show up five games against the the Warriors and second-year he delivers that they they should have won that first year. To be honest with you just gave you should have what a first-year Dallas But they deliver his second year like if he leaves the Lakers after this contract, he goes anywhere. I'm almost baking at the second year. They'll be able to find that. About make it on that, you know, he's carried two of the worst teams to the NBA. Are any NBA to the finals two of the worst teams in NBA carried to the finals you carry two teams to the finals with not one like legit All-Star game that time on his team. I mean the last year he went with Kevin Love on me and Kevin Love wasn't all starting point. You know, he wasn't an All-Star no more. It was past that All-Star level and it was hurt a lot. You know, so like the guy the first year he went like I can't name. The legit All-Star. He had all that first Finals appearance against the Spurs and he had to go up against a younger Tim Duncan that he did when he played against him in Miami. younger Ginobili a younger Tony Parker and I don't even remember Steven Jackson was on that team as well. If he was it was like okay, you know that was impossible task care to worst team in NBA finals. You know. We gotta get his due to credit man a second here ever since he's left Cleveland took, you know, Cleveland, Miami and Lakers in a second year to a gym membership and what and he's took him all but Lakers, you know, like I'm pretty sure he went to went to the finals. I know he went to went to the finals last year with the Lakers game, but LeBron don't get hurt last year Lakers. Definitely go to a second round. The definitely would have been a second round of playoffs and I would have been shocked if he carried into the Western Conference Finals. You know I'm saying against. The lawyers cuz they would afford seed into West before he got hurt. They would afford seed in the west before he got hurt, you know, the fourth seed this year was like like the Rockets, you know, so He had him fourth seed in the West. With all young guys, you know, oh young cats like wherever LeBron goes. You know, your organization instantly is going to win over night. It's the reason the playoffs. Second round without a doubt, you know instantly that and soon as he leaves. Your debut pick a number one except for Miami cuz Miami's a different mind. He's like the you know, like the New England Patriots and NBA off. You can't go to Miami and not you know, play hard. You know what I'm saying? You you you gotta play defense. You gotta play both fans heart outfits and defense Miami having it. You know what I'm saying? They have it at so let's get to the last game nice game and a lot man. I stayed up late gets a little bit of nail-biter. I was off the Miami might tie it up. And to be honest with you. I would have been out of that cuz you know, you don't want to see Gentleman sweeps this week's really an NBA Finals. It just takes away, you know from the whole purpose of watching the NBA finals and this one to be honest with you like wage might be like, I could see Miami winning the game tonight. You know cuz they they got to come out there and they gotta put everything on the on the corner gotta come out with everything on the court place. It's hard as they never play before cuz you know, you know some limitation. But the same time, you know. Lakers like they don't want to give know buying you know life. And once again, we're doing this for cold, you know what I'm saying? We do it as for KOB. We have my puppy just stepped up in the podcast. What's up puppy? But we do all this for Cobb. They wear the black jerseys elevated. You see I got the black and purple Lakers hat, which I've had for years now for my used to sell snapbacks. And whatnot. I had this before LeBron he became to the Lakers. So let's not you know, it's snowing call me a bigger Wagoner or whatnot plus my pops had been like so I could I could be a Laker fan if I want but Annabella Brown and but yeah there I can see the Heat winning this game tonight. You know cuz they gotta they gotta try to play their hardest game, but at the same time like Lakers undefeated with the Kobe jerseys, they wear the Kobe jerseys cuz it only makes sense that you got away to Kobe jerseys. Right here on out here on out to be honest with you. Even if they lose tonight the Lakers Got Away the Kobe jersey next game and You Gotta Wear cuz this was for cold man. You gotta wait a Kobe jersey. This was for cold. Wait about the Black Mamba juice these here on out wonderful, KOB, you know, and I just want to talk about a couple of days like also that you know, if or when the Lakers do win this Championship do I have two players on their team dad watched a championship with three different franchises and both want to start light up Danny Green who's a former tarnhill as you see the tutorial jacket in the back, you know, let me slide inside see the Toyota jacket, you know going on carolinablue Tarheel jacket behind me, you know. Yeah, we got Danny Granda. Try him out the win his third Championship possibly and back-to-back actually went 2-14. I don't know if that's ever been done back-to-back years or two different teens, you know, Danny Green with the Raptors last year and Danny Green with the Lakers this year off. Rondo is going to be the first player to ever win a championship with the Celtics. And the Lakers if he wins LeBron will be the you know, he'll be another player with three, you know, his third Championship with a third franchise can get the and the Lakers and I always said a Cavs Championship is always going to be his biggest cuz it was you know, where he started it was it was for his home too strong. And I was saying the hardest it was the hardest to win, you know. So then you got the white could be getting his first. one of the most wins more marketing get to show off his ring to the other markets who you know, they was everybody had them favored to win it, which I don't know why they was favored away at all. I'm still trying to figure that out for myself, you know when they You know how to team with the the only team with 2 players on the first team all-nba, is it favored but you know, let's go ahead and favour the the team only one player all NBA the the other, you know, not even another player who made third third team all-nba, you know. Ain't no fourteen. So I don't even know if he would have made that be honest with you. You know, I don't know if he would have made 14 Bradley Bill had a better season. You know. But yeah, man. Lakers definitely. They want to try to close this out. You don't want to give my identity life. I could you know, I wouldn't be shocked in Miami wins. And you know, I'm going to be up for it watching it like everybody else and what not and I'll I guess that's what I'll take maybe a right now. I really tried no NFL not really much to talk about I mean Kansas City looks like w the Super Bowl again next this year of NFC right now. It looks like it's between The Seahawks and the Packers based. All right. Now I'm still not going to count out the bucket is towards the end. I know they got beat by a point last game. Everybody's making a big deal about Brody's will brain fart, but you know, there's still like tied for first division or you know never wanted to visit. Let's go out we go. Check it out real quick. Just pull it up real quick. standings so I mean Where they where they would at. Yeah. I'm in Tampa Bay still they still need division three and to you know States. I haven't problems you don't care line has to enjoy buying a lot of South Carolina's even without with the Christian McCaffrey heard. They look like they they start to get things together and empty East just looks terrible man. I'm equally that what'd to everybody got one with I mean Green Bay and Chicago and the north that's going to be tough. You know, of course Chicago's always known for having a tough defense. Just I grew up on 85 Bears. You know Seahawks Ranch, Arizona. I don't see right Rams got Rams and 301 but it's just something doesn't look right with them. You got Tennessee the Colts? Just a funny Division. I mean Tennessee is three and O but I still don't think like the real contended. The bills are for enrolled Patriot store to Campbell, you know, he should come back and they could get he should be back next game. You know, they should be good to go. But I think Buffalo probably more than a vision Chiefs already got division one. It's there for no writers or two and two nobody stands a chance Pittsburgh Baltimore and Cleveland and Cincinnati. This is a really good division. To be honest with you man. Cuz Joe burrow is legit. And even though the big ones don't got a lot around him, Joe burrow can win some more games for the big ones depending on a schedule. The Browns are looking good. They play a smart Baltimore's this could be a tough division right here. You know, this is probably the best division in football to be honest with you Pittsburgh Baltimore off browse and the Bengals cuz even though the bingle's they only wanted to and they all got a lot of Route borough's boroughs is legit, man. I mean You know Broncos still got quarter back problems charges just there one and three but Justin Herbert is definitely balling. He can win some more Eagles win some games for them just like girls as they both got both of those teams got a quarterback. I mean the Jets over for it's time to Dolphus wanted three. It's a tool time soon, Texas Owen for I mean, I feel bad for the shower watch it right now. They gotta figure something. They gotta make some moves Vikings one-in-three. I mean they would they want to play a game last year and had it like I don't know if giants owner for if I'm saquon Barkley don't want out. When are you going to talk about the cowgirls? Found his old. I mean there's some jeans that are just looking pathetic right now Forty Niners and to and to right now. I mean, I won a Superbowl that's the thing about the NFL know man. It's like it's just over so much every year like player is so many players go to so many different teams. I know it's still early but so, you know, that's a change like some bombs. I mean if I had to pick right now, I like to see Kansas City vs. Green Bay has Super Bowl that would be probably good for for the rating especially seeing the ratings are probably going to be down. Anyways covideo no crowds and and you know, I think some people are still updating some people still like I'm not watching it cuz of like the social injustice messages as well. You know, that doesn't really stop me from Watching it. Cuz I mean if I'm a LeBron fan or if you know, I'm a fan of a certain player or team or if I support somebody. Anyways, I was supportive. I'm not going to suck them halfway, you know, I'm saying like I'm a big LeBron fast for a while now. So where would tv goes to add to support that team and plus like what else? What else is there to watch? Anyways Manticore keeping up with I try to keep up with the Kardashians better, you know a lot of and Hip-Hop like, you know down here sports music and movies. Then I guess the, you know edit TV shows, you know, I can get are you getting my TV shows? My Law and Order is my Chicago PD's, you know, definitely wait for that season of the Snowpiercer to come back walk in dance, you know. Definitely could get down my TV shows and all of a sudden and whatnot. But yeah for me it's music Sports, you know NFL and she can't really even get into too much of a sports fan. Like you're not going to really hear no golf Taco here don't ask are tagged. I've been to a baseball game and I've been been to the Mariners first name is van is most boring thing in my life and I've ever done, you know, like you gotta have a seventh-inning stretch everybody or pass completely pass out and fall asleep dead and in the stadium, you know, it's so boring man, you know, you go to a baseball game and the game my end up one go to a basketball game and it's like 120 e one sixteen anybody score going on or even you know, football games got a lot more scoring even though some football games can be born would be like 9 or 7, but it's just so much more dead. Action and football there with the hits and passes and running. It just so much more action than baseball magistrate pichet and hitman's do could just be that like twenty-somethings strike it out 22 straight man. It's like it's so boring and NASCAR. I never got NASCAR like watching a bunch of dudes. Just driving a Thursday. It's so boring. You know, I'm saying the golf and it's just like it's boring got sit there and wait for this be all quiet waiting for this dude to take forever to get teed off and it just to hit the Joker in the bunker in a water or something man. Yeah basketball football, you know, and I've actually I've actually grew to wage grew to love women's. women's long jumping I'm a big fan of women's long jumping now, you know not now for the kind of action out thinking like, you know, but women's long jumping is definitely a lot of intriguing and interesting sport, you know, definitely love some women's long jump and it's definitely my third favorite sport to watch em, I have football basketball women's arms up there. So yeah might get us some weapons long jumping on this podcast, who knows, you know, I gotta get more accustomed to their names cuz I'm just more accustomed to Their assets, I guess, you know I'm saying when it comes to women's wow jumping and what not. But yeah and the next podcast we're going to have a friend of mine coming on. Mr. Jones who's actually done songs with me through the years. You know cuz I'm also known as the artist Paul Masson, that's my artist name in the hip hop world. And what not and that's actually when I was podcasting originally. I was going by my artist named Paul Masson, and we called it the urban obsessions. Radio podcasts or radio show but you know now it's the triple P. Maybe it's the Paul piggot podcast triple P. You could follow me, you know Twitter. twitter.com forward slash Paul W Pickett Oh at the Paul P podcast on Twitter. That's the handles, you know, if you're on YouTube right now watching this podcast right-hand corner hit the Subscribe button right hand corner. If you watch it on Instagram, you know follow whatever Instagram you're watching this song. If you follow you watching this song What About Facebook fan pages? We don't got a fan page on Facebook for this yet. I mean, we just started a podcast. We got it covered but could follow another fan pages that you'll see it posted on like promo Palace off and whatnot. Any Castle also check out my websites promo Palace. There's any Castle. Net Planet playlist.com dead. Check out my apparel new literate apparel for dog lovers dog t-shirts for dog lovers dog based apparel off at New London, New little pair off. Once again, check out the podcast or apple Spotify Amazon teaser tune in a bunch of other platforms and it should be on iHeartRadio soon. If not already just wait for that update and Yeah, that's why I take man, you know, yo, yo love the NBA tune in for the the finals tonight. We could possibly see a new champ and pick up a stroke in front of this. like, you know one thing is like people like act like it's easier cuz that is no crowd. But my thing is when there's a crowd and there's a team that has dead, you know, like the home-court advantage. They gotta hire see they got home court advantage and it's called Advantage for a reason. So like You know the fact that has to eat equal playing field that there is no crowd. Like I don't think that makes that Hardly ever it is equally it's like you you just like you gotta come out here ball like the better team. The better teams would and my mind and this finals run like people can say the Clippers was favored, but the better team would like the whole better Duo was Denver. They played better against the Clippers. They I mean they had the better do all all through the playoffs. They they had a better Duo both of their guys showed up on a Friday night out more than a Clippers. Did you know they have the better Duo? same thing with the heat be in the Box damn and Jimmy showed up more than Greek Freak goddess did and khris Middleton. They showed up every night. It could people the only thing about Butler's but losing doesn't have the school like crazy about a points cuz he might have like twenty one points 8 rebounds five or six assists one or two blocks and two or three steals, you know, he's like in his defense has impeccable, you know what I'm saying? And he takes a lot of fish and shots and he lives in fact a lot, you know, so like just I did Jimmy Butler has to score a ton of points to be efficient and be a game-changer. No, that's not like that's what Ian has has to do on this kind of put up Thirty and fifteen and ten assists for his Team to stand a chance, you know what I'm saying? Cuz like he had a better team and overall too when you get to the look at that third best place to go to, Georgia. You know, which I didn't bring the fact up that if he was in this series right now. We have even if they have gets hurt that that one game that he's out like Goran dragic if he's playing right now with Jimmy. This could be a different series. You could possibly be true to right now. Of course go and drives. He's like Jimmy he's not backing down for nobody from Slovenia dude, like the the Americans and stuff. So Haiti is a ten times tougher maybe a hundred times tougher. They're like Russia's Barry like they're tough for you Russians and sylvanians. And how long is ten times tougher than American read American man. Most Americans are self is like marshmallows a man. I ain't trying to hear about Mary Chris be a tough man. Marriage is OfficeMax, you know, so yeah, like like board is not like scared. You know, that's the thing with the heat like they got talent hero the youngest off Rocky ever to start NBA Finals putting up, you know, nineteen twenty in the playoffs as a rookie like Fairless, you know, convinced six straight threes and still going to keep Shooting up, you know, they got Andre Iguodala who was in the finals last year, you know and could possibly be he could be dead. He could pull something off. He could be a guy that wins. Back to back with two different teams. Like Danny Green. I don't think it's going to happen. But you know, like there's a lot of way and then you gotta think like these guys had to like leave their families too, man. Like, you know, everybody can't live like me then I'm like, I live social distance in isolated, you know for a while man cuz I make a living over the internet for the last decade now and that's what I do day in day out 7 days a week 365 days a year make a living on the internet. So I live in a social justice in the world. I live in this bubble, you know, I live isolated, you know, and I don't have wife and kids. So it's easier for me but like guys who have Wife and Kids, you know, I can only imagine about kids and I gotta be away from my kids for three months straight and I'll be going crazy. I will be going crazy and I will give it all got kids that comes from a person who never had a father, you know, like I never had a father of the so I already know like if I had kids that I would be there for them a hundred percent of the way cuz you know not there. I'm blaming my father for not being there for me cuz you know, he had some mental emotional problems. That you know took a took them off this planet forever for me, you know, I lost my father at an early age and ever seen him but you know just dealing with that and I have a job. I just it just made me know that if I ever had it kids that I didn't want my kids to, you know, not to go through life without having a father they you know to go through the the depression and I went through without a father or the emotional state I had to deal with without a father. You know what I'm saying? It's tough for a boy to become a man on his own, you know, like without a father is like this. This is a tougher Journey. You know and when you do get there, you know, like you sacrifice more, you know, I'm saying that the person who had a father their whole life and had a mother and a father they whole life, you know, you've sacrificed more you've had more of a emotional journey to get there in a mental journey to get there to you know, cuz mentally emotionally it's it's off to grow up without a parent. You know what I'm saying? And that's how LeBron was well brought like like I totally can relate to LeBron James. You know, my mom works, you know after the convenience store two shifts a day where I stayed in the babysitters most of the time we lived in a you know, a little crappy apartment that burned down before Christmas one year cuz of a faulty electrical wiring, you know, if she had to work two shifts just afford that crappy little apartment wage. And also I understand LeBron story totally cuz it's it's my story. You know, I wouldn't live in a project but we lived in a low-income housing situation, you know, and we we got welfare, you know, we we definitely would have made it without welfare, you know, like it was just me and my mom my father was pretty much already gone, you know, so like everything else I've done in life I deserve it on early and I had a I've been the one that's totally worked for it, you know on my own, you know, I'm saying I've done all this by myself, you know, like nobody can take the Cross by Guru said take the credit where the credit is due take the credit where the credit is due like I get all the credit. You know, I'm saying I built my all my businesses from scratch by myself. You know, I'll tell you this podcast by myself, you know what I'm saying? Cuz you know, when you try to bring people into things sometimes most of the time for me, there's just not reliable. Like people don't have the same ambition as you, you know, they're not goal-oriented as you they don't want it as bad as you You know, like I always want more, you know, it's It's never enough if you know, it's not like I'm going to Jay-Z statue statue anyway, so definitely it's nice that you know, even for a cat like Jay-Z It's never enough. It's still more and more and more and more and more and more more more more. It's not even a it's not even bringing. It doesn't even really come from a place of greed. It comes from a place of you know building something that lasts more than just your lifetime something that lasts multiple life has multiple Generations, even though I don't got kids, you know, I would like to build something that maybe if I don't have kids I passed down to my niece and my nephew home, you know, the closest thing to kids to me my niece and my nephew's you know, so It's like it's nothing selfish of me. Try to build what I build. You know, I would like somebody to step in and tell somebody to the table and bring some work to the table and help make it even bigger and bigger, but you may now how it always works when you got goals and you try to be successful like can't always depend on people to have the same ambition. Say Will & Wine is bad issue, you know and Thursday will abroad he wanted it. More than a lot of people that's why he spends two million dollars. I think it is a year on his body and there's other dudes that got the same bank as him that could be spending the same amount of money, but they not cuz they're not dedicated to their craft as much as he is. They don't want us bad and others say their vision and they won't take as long as he is like LeBron James is setting new standards. He's raised a new bars like cuz the way he's playing right now. He looks like he has still four or five Good Seasons left in them. If not, the number one guy the number two or even the number 3 option, you know LeBron James and the number 3 option LeBron James would put up with probably like 19 points a game ten rebounds and like 15 assist. You know, he probably also lights Steve Nash assist, they you know with it. You know, what what yeah. Yeah, that's what I'll take, you know, like normally these episodes. They only run in about 10-12 minutes so far. I know we ran in a lot longer which is good man, you know, they'll start to get long longer especially the more I bring when I start bringing all guests and stuff like that. They'll get longer and longer why it more to talk about you know, but yeah, that's my take this is Trish Peter Paul piggot podcast on his Paul piggot. Once again, check me out twitter.com forward slash Paul W picket or 24/7 has also Instagram at promo Palace or any Council music Facebook promo Palace LLC Facebook. Any cashier's check out my tick tock tick tock.com forward slash, Palace LLC. 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TKC 657 C. J. Box

The Kindle Chronicles

47:07 min | 5 months ago

TKC 657 C. J. Box

"Today is march fifth. Twenty twenty one. Welcome to the kennel. Chronicles podcast. I'm linda lee your host coming to you from santa bell island in florida my guest. This is the author cj box. Who's new joe pickett thriller. Dark sky was released this week. By penguin random house talking with him gave me a chance to renew my connections with wyoming. Where darlene and. I live for twenty years That's some twenty years ago and it also. I was particularly interested to hear an author. Talk about what. It's like when his or her work ends up as a tv series as has happened with. Cj box and an abc series which has been a big hit called Big sky and the joe pickett series is just about to be turned into a tv series by paramount so I think you'll enjoy hearing what it's like for an author it. It's a little surprising. It's not that's not the end of the story and obama tv star. There's another reason why he thinks it's pretty cool Also in news. I'm going to talk about the union election at an amazon warehouse in alabama and another story that has to do with amazon raising unilaterally. It's minimum wage to fifteen dollars. Also have some tech tips for you and what else Yeah tech tips. Interview the whole thing. Let's say it started with. I up in news. The union election or the election being conducted among five thousand eight hundred employees at an amazon fulfillment center in alabama. That's been in the news again. The president biden weighed in with a video. That was very carefully worded when i actually watched it He never mentioned the word amazon but he did mention organizing in alabama and other parts of the country and he gave a obviously a very progressive view of the union movement and pointing out. That unions are not simply tolerated under federal law but they're actually encouraged According to rules that are promulgated and enforced by the national labor relations board but he was saying that the decision that employees make is up to them. It's not up to the president to say how they should vote and pointedly. He said it's not up to the company to Say that they shouldn't vote for union. Now i'm sure amazon has got lots of labor lawyers that make sure that their actions don't fall foul of labor laws in this kind of a contentious situation and in fact there was one apparent glitch because there was an anti union ad that appeared on twitch which is kind of a video game platform that amazon owns and that was pulled But the retail wholesale and department store. Union is trying to get a majority of these employees who vote The votes are due by march. Twenty ninth and. I don't know how much the the biden statement is going to have an effect. It's the first time that a president. I think in recent memory has weighed in so pointedly on behalf of workers who are considering a union so might happen and this would be the first amazon facility in the us that would have union representation that the company would be negotiated with to form a contract. Now i have been a little bit Perplexed or conflicted. I because i'm such a fan of amazon's management and bezos. I've seen these union efforts as you know. Do they really need that. This is a company that unilaterally three years ago. Raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars. Starting employees get the same health benefits as in general it strikes me as a company. That's kind of leading the way in a lot of areas. Now there's been coverage about how difficult it is to work at these films centers and Obviously it is tough work we saw a fulfillment center in fall river darlene. And i and my grandson james Tough work but clean and lots of technology. I don't know so but You know and thinking about this. And i've i've heard from some listeners. Can appointing me to some articles. And when i think of eleven percent of workers in this country represented by unions. And i think of the income disparity i you know this is my opinion. I don't wanna go too far into politics here but I think the the wobbly aspects of our democracy as shown by things like the rise of Kind of the darker side of the trump supporters as antifa left and right populist kind of discontent Spilled over the january six attack on the capital. I think you can trace all of this in large part to a sense among people that too much of the wealth of this country is held in too few hands. And you know. What do you do about that There's not much appetite for soaking the rich. And just sort of you know redistributing wealth but in the past when there have been stronger unions. More workers represented. I don't think it's ever been higher than in the twenties. It's not as if there was a time when all workers are represented by unions has always been a minority but when the middle class was built after world war two that tended to be strong unions in detroit and elsewhere that negotiated with a real impact and results to Get for workers so as a a kind of observer of the scene. I m four stronger unions as somebody who thinks amazon's doing a great job not so much but what i figured out is i. I think it's possible to be both four amazon as a well run company that treats its workers. Well obviously there's issues and for union to organize amazon facility and possibly spread through other facilities in the us I have heard myself make arguments to people say well you know i think these people that want a union wanna push back on amazon all these things if they start not getting their prime packages as quickly as they want boy. Then you're going to see them You know not espouse some of these things you know. Maybe that's a sort of a crass viewpoint. But but then i thought you know. There are plenty of facilities in europe in the eu that are represented by unions and they're getting their packages fine. I just checked a website. That amazon has for the eu talking about all the creative things that they're doing with their workforce. There's no mention of the word union but Amazon is figured out a way to operate in an environment where there is much more of a union presence presence than there is here in the us. I would expect that to happen in the us. That if the us shifts toward Stronger represented by unions. Amazon will figure it out and maybe they treat the unions as customers and so therefore they get treated really well not so sure that that might be a bit of a stretch but it is An interesting way to think about it If the union is Voted in by a majority of the voters. Take a long time to negotiate a contract. I studied some labor issues at harvard. Business school and fascinating area. And i also was on union negotiating committee for management. When i worked to the gas company we met at a hotel and the union guys come in and it was quite dramatic. And i left impressed at the At the game the way it was played there was a kind of an equal or at least of varying perspective on the two sides of the table and when they reached an agreement and company worked for had an excellent labor Lawyer that kind of guided us in management and negotiating those the other side was capable to And you had the feeling that by the time these things were thrashed out and there was threat. Strike you know it was. We are all aware of what happened if we failed. And then the agreement that came out there was a sense that you know This is okay. This both sides were heard. And now this is gonna be the rules under which we operate. So that's my take on amazon. And the union now coincidentally there's a second news story one of linked to this This was in the new york times. Written by ben castleman and jim tankersley march fifth today. Headlined when amazon raises its minimum wage local companies follow suit and this is a study of which came out from some economists of the university of california berkeley and brandeis and it showed that since two thousand eighteen when amazon raises minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour actually a little higher than that now. it had an affect on raising wages in The areas where amazon operates and sometimes smaller companies sometimes in bigger so it was kind of a ripple effect not only benefiting. The hundreds of thousands of workers amazon applies employs in the us but that It had an impact on other companies. This is without any union negotiations. There wasn't a result of union activity. So it kind of you know. Maybe that's a counter to what i just said about the need for the union or the or the benefits of having a union but This is this is an interesting story in well reported with also some indication that where the minimum wage was increased. It did not a meaningful reduction in the number of jobs. And that's something that i think. People are often concerned about especially when there's talk about a Federal minimum wage change our and increase. There's a quote in this story from jay. Carney senior vice president for amazon saying the company's conscious of its impact that its policy might have another employers. He says we knew that by doing it. We would encourage other employees to employers to do the same and if that happened then it would put upward pressure on wages in general which would be good. He said. I want to thank those of you. Who have sent Thought provoking links to me and help me to change my mind or evolve in my thinking. This i'd love to hear from anyone who Would like to weigh in on this topic. You can send me an email at podcast. Chronicles g mail dot first ticket. Give you an update on my experience with the new echo show ten. That's the device that has the rotating screen. We have it set up in the area. That's next to the dining room and the kitchen area. The main room of the house here in santa bell And it's pleasing. Because if i'm in the kitchen. And i say hey. What's the weather The screen turns around as if she's listening to me and obviously can figure out where voices coming from That's kind of a clever aspect of it which you know. I can't say it's really worth. What is it two hundred and fifty dollars for the the cost of it. Though the part of it that i think is going to be more useful for me. Is the ability to drop in on my dad. In case of an emergency or some need that he might have and to see A screen in his living room. That i could control with the alexa app on my phone or from one of my other devices here. I haven't been able to get at work to work. So far and i was spent some time with amazon tech support. Today we did all various things. We restarted the echo show. We closed down the alexa app and a kit coming up against an error. Saying this is not working try later. It might be that our internet is funky here. And that's certainly there's evidence of that in some other problems that i've had including the interview with Chuck box so i. I look forward to trying out that part of it and i'll let you know what i find out when i'm able to do it. A guven sent me a link to an interesting website. it is e inc dot link and it's created by someone named Doug belshaw this. Came from a boeing boeing Peace and the idea is based on what they still call. The experimental browser on a kindle legis looked on my kindle oasis and they're in the main menu from the home page. If you go to settings you'll see experimental browser when you open it up you get a browser and it is slow and it's hard to read you can kind of spread your fingers to make the type bigger but you know if you're doing anything at all I would be setting my oasis down and getting my iphone or my ipad were other screens and getting on a browser. But maybe you're standard on the beach. Bring your phone. All you have is your e ink kindle. Well the idea of this e ink dot is that To try to find websites which don't have so much bloat from graphics and so you could go in and find books There's a link to project gutenberg There's some weather links different links that people have put in. There's only twenty one links there at this point in six categories. So it's sort of a note that i think the creator hopes people might fill in and there's a place at that site. Where if you have a link that you think would look good on an ian kindle Then you can add it in so maybe this site would would grow I like the idea of it. I think that i'm not really likely to use it. But i do it. Because it reminded me that there still is an experimental browser on the kindles. And it's something you can check out if you have an interest in it Actually it has a relationship to the third tech tip and this was sent to me. A link to a wall street journal article sent by garrett riley the title is how new e ink tablets combine the best of kindles and ipads This is something which you know. I've seen the pieces. But i haven't seen a put together as well as it was in this story And the writer. Alex crying in this was published a couple of days ago talks about the onyx bucs nova to. That's a four hundred twenty dollars. Seven point eight inch e ink reader. tablet I think that was color. The pocketbook inkpad color. Which i talked about last week. I think that's being sold at goody reader for three hundred twenty nine dollars And then the remarkable to have. That's three hundred ninety nine dollars. Plus a forty nine dollar stylus and the point of all of these is that You the ones that have color remarkable dozen enable the asterix of color. And then also there's writing and no taking and things that you can do that you can't do on just a straight kindle and you can do them at the beach or lighting conditions that don't work for an ipad so that's where you get this kind of hybrid idea. Seeing this article makes me wish that amazon would come out with a product like this and it also makes me wish that i had followed up on a idea that i had when i was in seattle last september at the product preview at the end of it i i had a chance to just go up to dave limp. He was back the audience. He's the head of the kindle area. I had the earlier remarkable tablet and i just wanted to tell him. I said you know i love this thing. I wish amazon might come out with something like Like this device that you could read on the extreme and you could write on it I think i made that pitch to them. But i what i remember is he saw the tablet in he simply said how do you like that thing and i said i like it a lot. That may bend the extent of the conversation. But my idea was that. When i got home i said i'm gonna send you via my pr person. I know there. Something to dave ling. Limp and. I'm going to write eighth amazon. Six page memo and i had this idea that they should introduce the kindle scribe which would be a larger screen Maybe about the size of the remarkable tablet. I could read on my kindle books. And i could annotate them and that the engineers there would figure out the big problem with this which is no matter. What the font size was if i had annotated or underlined something in one of my kindle books it would be preserved as i made the font larger or smaller that would be hard but it was also hard to make a kindle that could download books wirelessly so I was just going to put that out from. I never did get to it and How i kind of wish. I had. Because i think it's a good idea and i and as i see this wall street journal article talking about this productive Kind of hybrid in the hybrid. Part of it is because of the color ink. Which i've sort of pooh-poohed i don't really feel great need for color ink but when i think about a tablet that okay it has color. That's great. it's sort of like an ipad in that area But i can read on it with a nice stylus and it's it's slow like Like the remarkable the remarkable. I have this thing where i'm analyzing numbers. I pick up the remarkable tablet. And i just think more Left brained on that device. And i do good work figuring out things that have to do with numbers. When i'm sketching out. An episode of the podcast are doing something really creative. I do it a notes with all the color. That's available on my ipad pro. This is a very interesting place for innovation in the coming years. as e ink gets better and as people come up with creative ideas for screens. Now you know that that. I the the free right travelers another example of creative things that are being done. There's a very purposeful keyboard for people who were writing drafts. And i continued to write drafts. That i've got a few that i've got edits. I can make them final things but But i kind of love the idea that there's there is new technology out there and Things which will have a chance to try and some of them are going to succeed and You know be just part of the mainstream Arsenal of devices. That we use especially for ins- can of the writing area or were were voracious readers that really liked to try new ways to read the article. I'll have a link to it on the show notes time now for the interview. Cj box and i overlapped in wyoming during my twenty years. Living in casper. But i i don't think we ever met in person. I think we knew of each other. Since darlene and i moved to denver in two thousand his career as an award-winning writer. Contemporary western thrillers has taken off in a big way. Dark sky the twenty first book in his game warden. Joe pickett series was released on wednesday of this week march third by penguin random house the next morning at six thirty a. Amount time he'd already had One interview before connecting with me by skype now. We did have serious difficulty with the internet connection. Probably my end here. In florida and that led to try and dropping the video feed and then reconnecting and the trouble persisted. I lost some of the singers. Who can't get a sense of the obstacles that we had to our conversation. And as a last resort i hooked up my macbook pro to the internet via hotspot generated from my iphone and i called him on his land line and that worked well enough to finish our conversation. I began by asking chuck if he has any publication day rituals that he observed when a new book comes out. It's been very odd. Very kind of kind of feels weird like it really is not really pub day but because you know. We're i'm doing this from home. So yeah why ritual is usually getting on an airplane that's difference Are audio is a little shaky to me. Let's turn off our video and just keep the bandwidth for uh talking to each other. I think that may be smoother. Yeah i think that might be a little better l. k. and so in dark sky wyoming governor culture. Alan wants joe pickett to lead A silicon valley social media billionaire with a wonderful nickname of steve too. Because he i ll is a steve jobs. Why does the governor want joe pickett to take this character. An al qaeda in the bighorns amory is at wyoming is reeling economically with fossil fuels. Down al being banned in it but in the book purposes that the governor feels that go picket guide this up billionaire on a very successful elk hunt experience that he might consider putting some massive Server farms in the state so joe is written with his job the And the loss possibly of his agency if he doesn't pull it off so joe feels obligated And he greets the the billionaire at the airport of billionaire and his entourage take him into the big horn mountains for traditional kind of l. Cut that. He hopes his successful. Of course it goes wrong. Very our audio is still weak here. I'm going to hang this up and call you back just on a landline. All right. we'll get this. Yeah taking joe. Pick it down to the studs in this book. What what why have you described it that way. In previous book there's there's twenty of them Some of the some of them have been quite Elaborate in terms of murder mystery plot and technology and different elements and this one. I wanted basically just to take him into the mountains and What happens is he finds himself without weapons without transportation without communication and People hunting him so very much a wilderness. Survival story and It's him and the billionaire and he's trying to you. Know somehow navigate bad weather and Really rough terrain to keep them both alive now and you started the book probably more than a year ago. You chose to focus on the dark side of social media. There's a theme that plays out in this great story. Was there something back then. They cut your attention on that topic a little bit patient to have a book come out now with that is. It's kind of noodling idea that that you were working with as you wrote the book and thank you about no I was just thinking about You know i've got three daughters. They're all on social media in various ways and I remember Discussing with them You know some of the really dark sides of it Being being shamed by people they didn't know Their their comments being taken out of context. And you know the just some of the really bad things that can happen if you Spend too much time on it and People can misconstrue your words. And so. I i kind of took it from there and and amped it up and at the time did not realize that would be one of the big topics of today right now. Canceling people Humiliating them online So that they feel bad things they you know. In this case a young girl took her life because things that were on social media and a pile on and So that was. That's all there was always in the background and yeah it it has become pretty prescient. I think exactly. There's an interesting line. Steve to price says when they're out there he says. This is the biggest and darkest sky i've ever seen. It makes me feel really small. I feel like a single human heartbeat in the middle of this of the wilderness. And it struck me that there's sort of a parallel of the wilderness of the internet and the the real wilderness of the of the bighorns. And were you consciously comparing them with each other and if so how are they alike and how are they different. Well yes i was i. I love the juxtaposition of Putting somebody who's so online that every move he makes is broadcast or Followed by millions of people suddenly Without that that means of communication and How different that is and and you know for for younger people. They've never experienced that kind of thing in their entire life when they're not online when they can't you know let everybody know what they're doing and what the how they're feeling into suddenly had that just taken away That's a real kind of emptiness. Then i think you can only find In the mountains in in In the wilderness. Exactly you read that you you like to sort of address. Current issue in each of these books and played out as it affects people in wyoming and yet dealt with bitcoin. that's something that wyoming is taking a leadership position. In fact cynthia lomas who i knew the legislature i worked there is probably one of the only members of the us senate who but bitcoin at three hundred dollars at a topic. You have addressed your plan to in the books. That's something i'm very interested in. And i will address it in a future book. Probably not bitcoin itself but the fact that This is very interesting to me. There are some people who are Building little mini supercomputers to sit on the site of old gas in Natural gas and oil wells so that they can actually Power there supercomputers by that by the the fossil fuel in remote areas and i find that fascinating. The bitcoin miners on on the site of old gas wells. I can already see a tv series about that you. You spent a lot of your career in tourism. And i see that you serve stepped up to the chair of the wyoming tourism board last year. Did that turn out to be kind of a quiet year for for that job. Because of the pandemic picked the worst chairman into tourism although strangely enough Wyoming had a really good tourism year last year. Because i think a lot of people were fleeing other places and cities certainly and although everything wasn't open Everything that was open. What's fall It was really a a huge bright spot on the economy last year and this year. It's probably going to be kind of overwhelming. Yeah well when. I was working at the legislature thirty years ago at that time. Tourism didn't really get the respect that i felt it should have compared to the energy industry and there was always this desire to say. Hey look let's really claim what's unique about this place and look to the future past the fossil fuels era. Do you think in the last thirty years tourism is finally coming into its owners. That's still just kind of an embedded struggle in the state it. I think it's still a struggle. It's very hard to convince. Legislators that Maybe they should spend some time and money. On the second largest industry in the state in you know in the largest employer Most of them have the mindset. That if you know it's not it's not coming out of the ground And it can't be taxed than it's worth it's changing it ha- i mean it's changing even though they don't want it to Because there's so many So many changes in in fossil fuel and the extraction industry and tourism continues to grow. I mean we do have the world's first national park and matt national monument and people want to get places where there are other people and it. Yeah when i was there a commissioned by the wyoming hearsay to write a white paper about wildlife and they had a pretty strong agenda basically anything a the sierra club for they were against but that put me into a great chance to meet the crow. The game and fish legend back in those days and i wouldn't call it a friendship but i think there was some mutual respect. Did you overlap with him. In in a way that there's anything of joe pickett that that comes from that towering figure in in wildlife in wyoming crow who he passed away. I guess remember. I'd always heard his name never met him I based you'll pick it more on Kind of just a typical game warden many of whom. I've met who Have a lot. They have a lot of different kind of duties and responsibilities. And they're very much autonomous on. And you know they get district's five thousand square miles and it's just them and You know they drive around in their green pickups with their labradors in there and I time i was. I thinking of writing a book. became open season. I was doing right along with the local game warden. And i realized this was the best protagonist for this particular story. So that's how it got started. It wasn't so much anyone at headquarters in cheyenne. But the basically the boots on the ground gay morton right. You said that. Joe pickett makes an unusual protagonist for a long running series. If you knew he was going to last this long would you have chosen a different character. Or what is it about him. That makes them a challenge to to last this long. Well i would not have it as it turns out. I'm glad i made the decisions idea at the time. I was not When i wrote the first book was not thinking of a series. I was thinking of a standalone book The topic in it was the endangered species. Act and how things go wrong on the ground with well intentioned legislation and A game warden was the best person to carry that story and it wasn't until the publisher said we want to more of these with joe pickett. That series was born but the foundation was laid in a way that I still am very pleased with that. Joe ticket. I'm getting a call from my other joe. Pickett is married and has kids and lives in a little town called. Saddle string up. I'm sorry go ahead and grab that. If you have to well i would have hidden. Okay kelly earl thomas who is the antagonists dark sky. At one point he describes. Joe is old dudley. Effing do right l. change because it's a bit of a family show here but later he seems to have some grudging admiration form saying that. Joe pickett as a slippery son of a bitch and do you think both things are basically true of joe. I think they are. Yes i mean He's aged in real time. Joe pickett has h in real time in the books. And he's now fifty one so he's not spry and he's never been the kind of guy who run beating people up or Outshooting them by any means but he d- he has spent a lot of time in the mountains and You know given this kind of existential situation that he's in He uses his wits and his knowledge to Basically stay alive. Yeah yeah well. We keep feeling like there's going to be an announcement about the joe pickett series. There was a little bit of a leak. Up in calgary but nothing today that you can reveal here on the kindle. Chronicles as to who's going. Play him or anything like that. And he made an agreement with the With the production company not to step on their announcement. But yes there are things happening and yes at any. You know any day now. There will be a major announcement of a of a television series and The person playing joe pickett cool will you have will your role in that series. Be any different than your role for the big sky series that which is turned out to be a huge hit on abc. I think forty five million people have watched it you've created the content. And then the david kelly and whoever does these things runs with it but i wonder if it's sort of the same model that you'll be in for the joe pickett series once it gets going it is i'm officially listed as an executive producer. Means basically i get checks but i've never. I've never visited the sat. I can't canada. I wanna quarantine for fourteen days to do it but no my think. My role is to provide the source material. And i've been able to work with the writers and producers on the very earliest stages on their With developing the pilots and they basically you know developing the universe. And then i'll you know. I assume that i will be watching the show along with everybody else. Like i do with big sky. I know the. I know the books i know the material and i always kind of marvel at what parts they keep in parts. They they go their own direction but I'm pretty pleased. It's resulted in a huge amount of book. Sales always been kind of my wife and i. My our goal wasn't to have a movie or television series but To create more interested in the books that has happened. You know. I was thinking about that because it. It's pretty standard for people to love a book and then when they see the movie the tv. Say oh i liked the book better but you're it sounds like you're having the experience through big sky i of people coming to the series and then saying boy. That was a great tv series. I love it. Who's this guy. Cj box i wanna read his book to those people sort of do the reverse when they fall in love the tv show and then they read the book they say well. This is okay. But i love the show better. There's some of that which is very very odd. You know when people say hey. Your book is different than the show. As if it's my fault if there is a bit of that but I don't pay that much mind. Most people i mean ninety percent. Say boy i you know. The book is better and that's no secret. I mean people always think the books are better than the tv show where the where the with the exception of jaws. Maybe a books are better. There's a county in dark sky. Call twelve sleep. And right there's ten sleep wyoming and ridden berg who your agent who i also said that you you fictionalized some locations in wyoming and others. Don't can you say a little about that. And and why did you rename tensely. twelve sleep. well it was just kind of a play on enslaved. That's such a cool name. That comes from the fact that Supposedly i think it was sioux indians. said it took. Ken sleeps to get over the top of the big horn mountains to the other side. I don't know if that's true but it's a great story. So i just took that as a You know played with that and because the the books take place in the bighorns I'm glad now at twenty one books. Later that i did do a fictional county a fictional town and not didn't specifically say joe pickett is in sheridan wyoming for example Because in that would tie me to that that community you know and everything in it. This way i can. At least fictional is a place that he lives and attribute that it really doesn't have but whenever he travels Goes to jackson hole or yellowstone or the red desert. Try to keep that as accurate as i can in name names. Sheridan his daughter in dark skies realizes that the bond between nate. Who is nate. Romanovsky and joe is very much. Like the bond between nate and his falcons that struck me as interesting. Can you see a little bit more about that in the relationship between those two characters. Sure i've shared it. You know obviously joe's daughter and Introduced introducing the very first book. Open season she's seven years old and a lot of the book is told from her point of view so readers been able to kind of follow her Throughout and she's now graduated from college and as working for nate romanowski as falconry apprentice So she's she sees everything from a different point of view with her dad and her dad's best friend Nate and Is working for nate. Romanowski in this book It is bird abatement business. So yeah there's there's She is very perceptive. She picks up on relationships in a different way than certainly joe. Pickett does and sees how it all. Everybody interacts From a different point of view interesting well last question. I met and ridden buried in manhattan. She started the classic manhattan literary agent. You're sort of the classic western writer. How did you to get together. And what effect has she had on. All this happened to you. Well and my answer my literary agent I think at booked three. I realized that the agent. I had at the time was no good and couldn't it was was couldn't do the things that they needed to do. So i went to new york and something you're not supposed to do. And that was interview literary ages and hire one they hate that but and by far was the best fit and had the best attitude and actually read the books and we've been working together ever since and she's the greatest absolutely well fantastic. I'll be attending your tattered cover virtual event today at five and good luck on the virtual book tour. And all else. Well thank you. It's great to catch up with you. Exactly all right. Thanks a lot chuck women. I have a sign off. I have been speaking with. Cj box author of dark sky the twenty first novel in his joe pickett series released this week by penguin random house. Thanks very much. Jack thank you. That was fun. Especially because they gave me a chance to catch up with what's going on in wyoming and that's where dearly and i met we're married in the nineteen eighties. Wyoming is a state like none other. It's sometimes described as a small town with very long streets And that's a good depiction of the state and chuck boxes excellent ambassador for to the world. I think as we get started. Chuck conveyed greetings from bob. Bud and old friend of mine from my days lobbying at the wyoming state legislature. At the time. Bob was the executive director of the powerful wyoming stock growers association and i was a new arrival from a place called providence rhode island working for the wyoming heritage society. Which was an ally of the stock growers in many of the battles of the day at the capitol primarily pitting industry groups against environmental groups Ends to say that. Bob was skeptical of where i really stood in. The issues of the day is down. State the understandable wariness that he approached me with at first but over the years I came to respect him and enjoy his integrity and bullheaded commitment to his associations members And we formed a nice friendship over the time. he's also very funny guy. I enjoyed imagining chuck. Box telling bob perhaps A couple of days ago. Guess who's going to interview me about my new book for this for his podcast leisurely. I can just see bob bud with a wry smile say you don't say tell him hello for me. Maybe he was chewing a wad of tobacco. Although i see he's married with three kids so his chewing days may be behind him. Those were good days and even as my life path has returned to the east coast A good piece of my heart will always be in the wide honest spaces of the cowboy state. I also want to say how much. I've enjoyed the big sky series on abc. It is dark story but the acting and the scenery from british columbia are mesmerizing. As is the source material from cj. Box i loved it when he expressed surprise that some viewers actually blame him for how the tv series differs from the book. Let's remember which came first right I can't wait to learn who will play the part of joe pickett in the series which will be filmed Out of calgary alberta this if this week My guest next week is going to be chris bailey author and narrator of an audible original titled how to train your mind I and listening to this. For the second time i i was really affected by the first time i listened to it. That's why i reached out to Audible to see if i could arrange for an interview. And luckily that's going to happen next week A thoughtful and very precise presentation of the benefits of meditation not from kind of the spiritual path version of it which is what my experiences was zen But just Productivity the people who meditate in the science behind it and his whole background is as a productivity expert. And then somewhere in there he started seeing the effects of meditation and so he's done this And he's got other books about it as well but I'm really looking forward to talking to a partly. Just because i've got questions about my own meditation practice that i hope to ask him to get useful information about and i'm also going to be interested to see what he thinks of putting this material in an audible original. It's at this point. It doesn't exist as an e book or any other form. The only way you can hear this thoughtful presentation about meditation. How to train your mind is the audible. And it is available on the sort of More affordable audible plus membership as opposed to the audible premium plus or whatever they it So in it's a good read of maybe three hours Highly recommended if you have an audible membership I'm going to be in a clubhouse room tomorrow. At four p m eastern time. The title of it is cj boxes coming to tv with linearly. I will interview the bestselling author this week for friday's chronicles podcasts. Please join me for the after. Show on saturday for the latest on plans to bring joe pickett to tv So that Maybe we'll catch some cj box fans but also anybody listening to the show. You don't have to have read. Cj boxer basically talking about anything that has come up. We can talk about amazon union election. Or whatever else is on your mind but We had a nice time. There were three of us in the room last week. And i think i'm going to try it On a weekly basis as a way just to hear feedback from listeners. That i can actually hear with your voices. That's pretty neat. I now have four clubhouse invites so if you would like one just send me an email at pod. Chronicles at g. l. dot com and. I'll just send them out in order of the requests as they come in. Thanks for listening. It's I don't see any golfers out there. Because it's nighttime looking out on the golf course of the dunes. I finally play nine holes there and it wasn't pretty so i ended up walking the last two holes and deciding that i've enjoyed shooting golf balls at the driving range and having some good lessons with mike the pro but I think probably it would take too much investment of time to get to a level of playing golf. There would be a really much more than frustrating. I in seven holes of golf. I managed to lose five of the balls that i started with and not not a good ratio but it was beautiful out there with the iberson knowing the alligator was nearby. Some sadness to think. I'm not gonna be golfing in my later years. Unless i change my mind. Which i might. Thanks for listening.

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21: Promo Palace LLC Vlog 21 - All followers are not fans

Paul Pickett Podcast

25:46 min | 3 months ago

21: Promo Palace LLC Vlog 21 - All followers are not fans

"Was was going back. My name is paul pickett all trouble palace. Llc this is the promo palestine l. wlov this one right here Twenty one arrogant entitled this would all followers are not fans log. twenty one off while was not fans For we just hit the subscribe button at right hand corner also you could check out. Promo paths dot biz issued the web address right baloney Also audio version of this. Go to spotify amazon music. deesor slacker. Tunin i heart radio and several other platforms. You google podcasts for version in a video version of be on youtube facebook instagram tv. What i walked twenty one off. All the was an offense. I basically our people caught up this. I did it. Just somebody follows you on social media that they really follow you know because sometimes people just following asphalt to get people to follow back allow you a lot of artists out musicians that do the worst thing in the world follow follow which doesn't work because he no up artist dope support other unsigned artists. Like that did not buying other notice music. They're not streaming music or not. Check stuff out like the people that constantly. Check your stuff out. Every time you draw every october amitai drop it every time they go streaming music or download just abide merchandise those fans. You know it and you know you get to social media. Followers is really all about gauging and he will allow the people gauge. It might not be fans the might be hairs. They might dislike what you're doing you know. So am i gonna call hinders because some people just eight about hey. Is everybody like everything. Some people like apple so people like oranges. You know. everybody doesn't like every day. i don't mind brockway out like a lot. Of greens you know. Only like sub festivals. Everybody don't like everything lettuce surveyed about burger. I don't like lettuce on myself taco. But i could do with a little bit of lettuce on my coach you taco. So what again. Anybody don't like everything just because you put it out there. You know what. I'm saying even if you got fans you fans like everything you put out just because you put it out. It doesn't work that way because you got a counselor put out the music that helps you build at fan days in the first place you know so all was are not fans in is really all about the people engaging in oh would just because though gauge is what makes your post viral or what makes it easier content. Your- powell is when the followers that engage. Would you can have tubs of fog wasn't get no engagement. It doesn't mean you got fans. Let me take similar. Sip jerusalem this. You can dick about that a little bit just because you got a lot of followers doesn't mean engage in was just up that it which is out they're not really fans whatsoever you know there's different levels of lever fans 'cause y'all forget fans is short term for fanatics fanatics lick about fanatic is a fanatic. Somebody who's just they're just go crazy. With what else did you know they. They can't live without this. Without your music. Out joe product or actress you know fanatics got to have it all the time. They'll just just go crazy every time they know. Come across your product or your service your brand whatever a roof and attic you know fanatics who by a t shirt at a show legal by a hat. Go by jacket legal by hoodie. Like you know if it yesterday. So i just like stranger music. Every now did did not like the not a real fan than real fanatic into. They really want something outside music today. Bought some power. Burchard is not really fanatic. I used to fanatics of a lot of artists coming up in the nineties. Air relies d-. I was because i didn't buy. Does it passed the album for these cats. You know iowa to the shows will add up people that go to shows just to go shows doesn't necessarily be near a fan in music is just what's poppet in oats popping event for the next photo night weekend or whatever so everybody that goes to shows at going just because they're acts fan so top people will go just because they were writing. Hey you wanna go to this you know so so show yes at s to do so people just go to heavy show they just gotta go out every week in party. Do this that just ask people just let laugh is people. Don't you know but everybody's not going to be a fanatic. Just they follow you just because they get the follow bud light engaging with your content after that however much constantly gauged. Are these Liking it you know comment in all of saying and people who really comment gasset a people really really hooked morning either truly dislike or people who truly love yourself the people that are truly engaging you know but y'all kind of thin followers wanna be follow but what about engagement you know having tabs. If artists covered by of new followers ask the virus showed be follow. Somebody no because this is just what what for accuracy. If you've gotta capture has zero followers wanna boosted two thousand just to make it look like cells going on and go on. Straight organic acted hat but by followers. Just look at our rather just slowly gradually page. Just everybody organically come to it. You know organically gauging and whoever like following has to be a free will had a process so when you always go to this process of follow follow life like eight. Nothing free will about it. 'cause it's something for something you know it's favorable favor that's not free will have to give you favorite audit time for you. If i gotta give you a favor of utah is do favorite death not really a friendship. That's the that's the associate business associate you know. Has some friends should do favors sometimes without expecting favors in return a real friend. Would he would hold you to your feet to the fire. Yo you favor definitely you. You're ob what now that just means. You just have a boat of the agenda. You're not a real front you know so. Followership has to be a free world day. You advertise your contact. You put out the content you put it out. Constantly consistently persistently people react and you don't put out one day every one of every week. No content is a day to day driven day so to build these followers. You need to put out content day to day suv. You'd have recorded music day to day. You put out other content other visual content pictures or videos that you do whatever you know whatever you want to put out there as far as your your life you put it out dead in on the table. One of social media content. You put out this deadly. Give people react that way. You sir has hashtag posted a right time in you advertise with this follow. Follow subscribe to subscribe bass following so we can get a bunch of people to follow back. That really doesn't work for artists that works for business certain businesses because this is once again after go back about music is not a necessity. People can live their lives without us. You don't need use it to live other forms of entertainment that people can replace using with if it's so much about entertainment or some people chose to read a book. So using his data processing like certain businesses assessing food bit food service business is at assess the because everybody has to eat to live clothing. Does this is artists acities. Everybody has to wear clothes to stay out of jail. Roof over your head is a necessity you know. 'cause even homeless people trust me. You know they. They want and need a roof over their head so fought like this mass follow. It went for a bunch of people to follow it back only works for cities like for example. All artists need music. They need advertising so the mass following a repeatable are as following back works why all artists need music. Promotions and advertising and marketing. 'cause interview. Thank you you're delusional. You're delusional like i don't know what you take if you take. You don't need to spend any money marketing process at any form or anytime promote you music. You delusional just not one single person you could name. I mean give me a name of art is that name. It was spitting. Zero was zero dollars would spin music way. Who's the artist neighbor. 'cause you nobody that name because it's it's impossible. Music business is a business user. Artists are a service. You just entertainment. You're just the entertainment. it's a service. Entertainment is a service it guess. What entertainers to advertise their services. They have to advertise disturbances. It most entertainers out. They aren't getting paid to entertain. Because why would i pay you to entertain at a club if you have no fan base. You can't bring no fans to the show. It is not the show promoters job to bring fans did entertainment yes. He's his job is to advertise. Rtc brains or the invitation brings with the entertainments jobs. You have fanbase. It's their jobs their name in responsibility for their name to bring bills fans so your show promoted at books honest. That has no chance. That's your fault you know does if you book a because of your book artists who has fans then he's gonna do more likely do his job. It is named in his fanbase. Your to come because of the work. He's building his fanbase. Already having famous fan base dictates everything in the entertainment business and in the consumer business. Any any way you look at it. 'cause fans enough about the sooners are but consumers they consume music down by download. Smuggled out small portions so by merchandise so paid shows shop paint folk premium council shoot platform distributed music regardless they pay. You know that consumers and so if you think. You're billy consumers without promoting your product to advertise your product. That's bogus that's delusional. That's fall stacey it's non existent you know and now up started strangling for one time though but like all followers are not saying you build fans by putting out good content put it up consistently daily even not put music. You put out other content. That's how influencers get big. That's how they have fanbase influence over people a constant kostic contents good content. That people react to that treads that may go viral. It helps the ability but more fence because nowadays the fans of breaking records labels ain't breaking records labels a breaking artist radio breaking new artists. They might live there breaking records than probably gonna break themselves anyway soon as they hit youtube every other platform that has. You don't need this radio your break without radio if you have fabrics you don't need radio. You have fantasies but we have no families. You need it up. you need it all. You have no families. You gotta advertise across the board or you pick. What platform dedicate that. Dedicate a budget a daily budget over low period of time. Advertising that platform you know in our recommend. Youtube always is number one. You know in this idea that you're going to advertise for thirty days. It s it end. You want to back out. 'cause you're not getting the results you want to see just yet. That's not how it works. He put all at promoter south thirty days of make it. You can't Record and three. You can't break the record three or four months. Nowadays it takes a year to break records nowadays when you have no fan base in your upcoming unsigned artists with no established. Fan base. you only break records on your own. Would you have a stab established fates every thousands of people willing to stream. Your counts hit every time. Share your content in common in engage. Typically you need thousands to go viral but to living a good ted doubt if you get thousand fans of real check down fans not streaming music. But that's willing to buy download merchandise or buy your album or ep. You could make a live it every single year of ten thousand fans buying your music not streaming by you have to have hundreds of thousands of fans to make a living enough streaming music will also by but if you're going off with distributor long douses will do you ain't naked a living off of thousands. There's gotta be hundreds of thousands of people streaming your music constantly to make a living on all platforms. Now just one. Did you just live make a living off the spotify which is with that no. I'll platforms across the board. You know so. All the offense are not fond. Was it all follow us on fans the people that are truly engaging with your stuff always go check out your stuff that will share you stuff comment light by t shirt out by download. It'll those are the fans just because somebody follows. You doesn't mean they're fan. They might follow you. Never check out a post ever. It might not never click the like button. One sable post on. What will pope whatsoever so just following doesn't make them offense. Don't get caught up in follow with gacaca people going to gauge with your post. Your contact us it adult at begging people to do it. Is it the way to go begging people. Does it back the way to go. That's not promotion. Begging you know. Please please listen or like i had a birthday. The other day though links birthday day in about today is about. It's my birthday. Screw your damn song link Birthday screwed it in about you. Al-bab birthdays about me. And if you go you. I've taken out of the gift. No not take it as get harder yet might be trash. Follow it by being trash. Well give me something. I don't even want my birthday just so you could try to get free promotion out of neo about birthday. Tell be happy birthday to try to get your free promotion. That's pathetic is pathetic. Advertise promote Do surreal market so pathetic. follow follow. Let's happy birthday song on there. Like this is a gift. You better be spit bar. How in rock him ejei to consider that damn anything any song a gift or birthday. Take it i got. I got standards when it goes music. Our big crowley. You better be great sydney music birthday. Tha happy birthday. Here's a free kick. You better be the second coming of nas if not have your birthday present after window. And so pathetic it. All sack is above begging for change. You know in front of the store head over and over again you got you all the time to beg for change. You got all the time of the won't fill out applications. You know so. Let's not be pathetic about this. Follow for follow you know. Artists artists banded office. Boever doesn't work. You know why disparagingly everywhere because what's again using is not an assess the in life it's not a decec- everybody's life so people don't even listen to music show people don't even listen to. Music is not an assessment. Everybody's like but you. What is the disaster. Debbie artists like this tried a naked in the music business a legit advertising marketing promotion company. So you gotta understand it between wants knees before you start spanning you spam and things that people might want but don't necessarily need doesn't work you got a spam. It only works when they need it. They need it was against spam. It only works when i need it. You know all fans are not followers it is all about ganj. -ment is all about dropping content hostile yoga again in good content. Not just put out it good content once again hit de-subscribe right corner. Chapa a website triple palace. You get check out. New little paralytic dot com. We got the t shirts we got this one. This is the work smarter not harder live life. I worked smarter. Not harder unaware hard enough long enough in life now. It's time to work smart. you know. L. chikao eighty castle dot net. Trouble palace dot biz planning dot com. You can follow twenty or provo palace. Llc facebook promo policy was to get an audio version to go to the podcast. Which is paul picking podcasts. Google that were on spotify amazon. Caesar slack your add to tune in iheartradio and other platforms as well Check it out on instagram. Tv is graham pro palace tic tac promo palace. Llc about it it also wasn't hit de-subscribe twenty one is called off. Followers are not fans or fanatics as we call so was again not get caught up in hype misleading followers abyss leading followers is the most misleading number on the internet is the most misleading internet because they gauge moment truly tells the truth in the story. I'll check it out stuff. How many people come in in reacted and if you just put go content in constantly putting out people react because they'll see you constantly over and over again and that's how advertising works this this idea that you can advertise offs. You just one off and what time you know what both or what week or what pro in you know you get results. Y'all to the next. That's not how it works. Advertising his process that does grind long period of time even when mainstream artists bake it it got towed fans. They still put money into ads. Who's they still need more fans. Sometimes they still want more fans you never could never. He never have enough offense. You never have too many fans. There's always room for fans. So does i did. It's you got an offense dot advertising but what happens when you not relevant no more in loudini fans. Check it for you. 'cause you just decided that it was taboo to stop building fans as long as your music business and as long as drop music. The process of building change should ever stop issue going fabric. I don't care gain. Twenty years you definitely. If you've been again twenty years you definitely should be allowed to build new fans. 'cause you got artist debt. Did you got young kids that were born. You know twenty years ago that it grow up on raw other artists. You know so yeah. I'll follow was an fancy de-subscribe but also you can email me at plot. Promo pals that biz Palace would at g. dot com video. Music promotion marketing. Or you just want to promote your brand. Jagger's output will palace biz. August edgy bella soprano palace. One at g. paul. 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1: Paul Pickett Podcast Episode 1

Paul Pickett Podcast

12:11 min | 10 months ago

1: Paul Pickett Podcast Episode 1

"It was good idea. How y'all doing? My name's Paul pickets you live on the first episode of the Paul piggot podcast this episode first one, you know go over who I'm my name's Paul piggot actually used to do podcasting on a decade ago, but it was audio podcast in the mainly like interviews of old school hip hop artists. It was called the urban of sessions podcast, but due to reliability of other people or stop doing the podcast and plus video podcasts and wasn't really popping back then it was out of your podcast. And so now we back back in the beginning, you know, we back in podcast and this is the pulpit podcast episode one just to give you a brief overview of who I am on my home promo Palace. This which is our own marketing promotions company for musicians. I mean, we could promote businesses and Brands as well. But most of our clients are musicians also own any Castle tacnet, which used to be a Used to be online radio station like on demand radio station and we did live radio. But now, you know, we just kind of turn it over to to a market and promotions company cuz digital radios really it's nowhere near like what college Radio FM radio is Digital radio will never be really what you know college FM cuz even all the time video streaming that's going on is is like the FM stations, you know Hot 97 Power 105. So at the end of the day man, it's still FM, you know, so he also owned a planet playlist.com, which is a site where artists custom. It's about 50-60 playlist for free on Spotify. We also own gnula.com, which is our new little apparel, which is a job based apparel for dog for dog lovers, you know, like t-shirts for dog lovers mugs dead. Backpacks whatever, you know, we got all different kind of merchandise going on. But in this episode first episode Republica podcast, it just seems like the right time. You know, cuz today is is the first game of the NBA Finals. That's when we get into the NBA Finals, you know, personally, I'm gonna give you my opinion on who I think's going to win the series and who's going to win tonight's game tonight game. First of all, I'm going to go with I'll go to eat. I mean Lakers are known for winning like a losing like game ones and you know kind of like just mapping out like what's going on with the opponent and just took it out of strategy and coming back and just dominating the series so I'm going to go with the heat. I'm gay and one. I'm going to say the Lakers win this series, but I will not be shopping with the Heat win the series whatsoever. Cuz you know, the Lakers have the the when you go to the top two players on each team the Lakers hath best at 2 and LeBron and they they clearly had the best do over there. They they would the only do all that was first-team all in the egg, you know, people could say Paul George and quality. I mean, that's a laughing-stock in the NBA right now is a complete joke man. Say a Paul George and Kawhi Leonard was the best duo in NBA with Paul George 2 even make thirty bucks. NBA pass a complete joke. I never heard such blasphemy NBA blasphemy as Stephen A Smith would say you talking about they would have best. Do I want to change it Paul? George didn't even make 13 while they be able to get them. Get out of here with that basketball, man. So yeah, the Lakers got the best to you know, when you compare Butler and Bam Jimmy buckets and damn to Adrian LeBron. But I don't know how far of a gap it is, you know cuz Butler works hard. He's very efficient. He's very smart. He's instantly brought a winning culture to the back. You know, I'm saying the Sixers were one shot away from the Eastern Conference Finals will Butler on there. And you see what happens to them first round, you know, people can say only one of them uploaded Minnesota, but they went to playoffs and Butler was there and they you know, they can't even make the playoffs now. They're getting the number one pick in the draft. You know, the only last time he'd been in a place in the last decade I think was with Jimmy buckets was on a team. So I don't know how far to Gap is, you know, I'm saying, I don't know if it's that tremendous even though You know a d is more experienced abandon. LeBron is definitely more experience. I mean both of these guys damage Jimmy Butler work hard and they've made like enormous, you know leaps in a game. But then when you get down to lighting 3rd 4th 5th 6th options that he clearly our favorite clearly the Heat have the best third option and Goran dragic damn the best fourth option Italian Heros. They probably got the best fifth option in Jae Crowder. I would say you got you know, you can either have or you know, Duncan Roberts and or equal dollar the next option and those options have been any option Lakers have so lightweight girls are really going to be like Danny Green Caruso kuzma and Casey Peter, really? Play their best series so far the playoffs. They're they're really going to have to do a lot more cuz I don't know if we can just count on LeBron and KD just carrying his team. When the third fourth fifth six option on the Miami Heat is just so much better. I mean like Lakers two packs a day in the third best option for the Lakers is really been Rondo, but it's not really a scoring option. He's really like control to Pace off Sylhet ate just really take, you know, smart shots not take too many shots not take official. Unofficial shots. Definitely Dwight Howard or do what he did. Was he started his first game in the playoffs. You going to need all that from all these guys cuz I mean, Here. We like people said the Clippers with a deepest team in the league. But clearly the Miami Heat are the deepest team in the league. You know right now and have did Friday pretty much all season hang out one of the most confident rookies you ever see. It's how the hero, you know, you got Sharpshooters like Duncan who shoots off like Klay Thompson. Yeah equal download play for the Warriors Championship pedigree Crowder playing probably the best ball. That was seen Jimmy buckets is paid playing the best ball is life badge Goran dragic. I mean a Transylvanian an injury. So tough like everybody for Sylvania stuff. They don't seen it all, you know, you know like Shaq cause them to Dragon. I mean they you know, He's chopped bad. I mean he's not going back down for nobody, you know, and nobody in the Heats going bad down. So, you know once again I would say the Lakers witness cuz late we also got taking account of the Lakers are playing for more than just winning. The championship for themselves. Just was for cold man. This was for for Colby Bryant and this is for the amount of the Black Mamba like this this Championship is for a lot more than just like individual accomplishments and individual of you know, pleasure, you know what I'm saying? Just just individually trying to achieve something for yourself. This is Justice for Kobe man, you know first and foremost Choice like this Championship a Kobe the he ain't really playing for nobody that's passed away. They're not they're playing all for themselves. They're just trying to win a chip for themselves. And for the organization the Lakers are just trying the child news for Kobe first and foremost then LeBron and KD and everybody else does trying to get their first White trying to get first. I know what is Sackett. And the Lakers have 15, you know championships worth of experience between coach and and and the players, you know, so they got plenty hard way over there or you know, not everybody has Hardware. I don't think nobody on the he has always said he would if he has has has been pretty much played in this series, so You know, I mean that's my tape and Lakers should I can't necessarily didn't say their favorite even though they got the two best like cuz I won't be shocked to eat when there's no exam. But I think the Lakers are playing for more just because the co beat, you know, when you put in a Kobe Bryant, you know came with it, you know trying to win One Faith open and even when Kobe was alive. He was like my least favorite basketball player of all time, but I do have to admit that something about his death did like affect me mentally and emotionally I did feel like being that he's a he's a year older than me and all that. He's accomplished and he still had a lot more to accomplish a lot more Time Warner accomplished and then you feel like I have accomplished nothing yet, and I still have to work harder in life, you know. So here we are, you know ever so wonderful figure podcast right now. We don't have any social media handles for the podcast, but we do have it for four years as Brands. You can follow us on Twitter at promo Palace LLC or attending Castle. You can also follow us on Instagram at Palm Palace. Or any Castle music check us out on Tik-Tok promo Palace LLC. Go check out websites out promo Palace. May be Castle. Net Planet playlist.com. New Leonard. Com you can email us at promo Palace one. The number one promo Palace one month and also you could make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel definitely cuz all these These are podcasts will be on the YouTube channel along with the Vlogs that I do. So check out the Vlog subscribe to the YouTube channel, you know, and also check us out on Facebook at facebook.com promo Palace LLC off Paul Pickett is my regular profile. Once again, this is Paul piggot podcast triple P baby episode one when we're going to just give you you know Sports topics definitely music topics, cuz we promote music and we will give you some political world event topics as long as all the facts are out there for us off. Put on the table because over here the triple P podcast. We ain't going to be allowed nobody to Give opinions based off of opinions that ain't happened over here. If they know facts to back off of shut the hell up man. What you giving your opinion afford mean you don't even know the facts man, you know, once again your boy Paul Pickett Paul piggot podcast Life episode 1 and we

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2: Paul Pickett Podcast Episode 2

Paul Pickett Podcast

10:59 min | 10 months ago

2: Paul Pickett Podcast Episode 2

"I was good everybody on his Paul piggot. This is episode 2 of the part figure podcast, which actually started yesterday and I was actually going to wait a week to do the next song cast. But after what I saw last night, I gotta I gotta get it out and get it, you know, fresh out why the contents fresh. But first day I want to get into is we gotta do. What is false narrative that Kawhi Leonard and Paul. George was ever the best to own NBA I'm not even a fourth best. I mean, that's actually that's all about the fourth-best, you know, like we gotta stop with his narrative that a D & LeBron wasn't the best of an NBA dad's Jamal Murray and Joker was probably the second-best duo in NBA, you know, cuz I'm definitely going to take both of those guys that were Paul George right now. We gotta start with his narrative that Jimmy Butler damn probably aren't a better Duo cuz I'm definitely going to take Jimmy Butler over Paul George, and I'm going to take damage for George. You know just cuz of both ends of the floor what they bring to the table, you know bam is just not no rebound or defense of guy you could grab the rebound, you know, bring the ball up on the fabric just take it all the way or whatever. So we gotta stop this narrative that these guys would have best duo in NBA and they were automatically favored by all y'all experts experts out there, you know, like Paul George Deva make thirteen all of them V8, and we're going to sit there and sell this narrative that They would have best do over there be a they had the best to a man. Like I'm not paying attention to what happened to play offs that a dealer bronze just passed Scottie Pippen and Jordan for the most 25-point games with 50% shooting for a Duo. They both had like what is it like It's seven eight they got right now. I got to go back and check but they got the most, you know, they got the most games for duo to get twenty-five points apiece and over 50% shooting they judged guided him and and enjoying and they passed by like two or three or four not mistaken, maybe more than but we gotta stop with his narrative like, you know, these experts like yo, you know, this is the best deal on NBA and it's got even make 13 miles V8, you know, and the Lakers had two players make first-team all-nba and in his past Jordan and Pippen a birth play around together for most twenty-four twenty-five point games at 50% shooting that stop that stop and Arlington elevator. Oh, man. I mean I was totally wrong about this. I thought the heat like to give you know give you the Lakers somewhere around for the money, you know of a defense effort somebody experienced that they have on that and you know, we equal dialogue crowded but dragic and Olympic but Is clearly down a matched? I mean I don't, you know expect the Lakers to shoot threes. I did did next game. But like the size of atoms is just a mismatch. It's just you got LeBron 6 9 you got I think more 69611 Dwight Howard 7 months, but McGee probably going to get an opt-in this series. But if we want to throw about that, he's seven foot Morris is getting peachy and if I'm not mistaken 6869 who's was like God, you know what 6768 long arms. I mean, we got a lot of length out there a lot of length and even our guards are not we ain't got a short guards, you know, a c p is not really a small. For a point guard, you know, Danny Green's like 6566. Do you know I mean any go too small for LeBron 16? I mean, it's like we got a lot of like a lot of size. I just think the Lakers had too much size too much Championship experience. and like I said last episode they play for Kobe man. She was for cold man. It's not for like, you know. Your individual needs of accomplishments as a athlete, you know, like yeah that that's going to put icing on the cake. But this one's called for Kobe Bryant may you know, that's that's why they go on in with their mama mentality. They realize that they gotta they gotta win it for Kobe. They're playing for a little bit more cuz they got away for Kobe and even though like he's got a lot of guys that want to win their first trip over there, you know, but you gotta kind of like Dwight Howard been really big, you know a lot longer than anybody on a Miami Heat that ain't want to championship and he would just as bad, you know, he's been illegal, you know, what seven eight years he wants it just as bad. you know the Morris twins, I'm pretty sure he wants it just as bad Rhonda wants his second case if he wants his first steady green wants to go ahead and submit his career with three thousand ships with three teams and him and LeBron will both be on that same list if they win this, you know to both be two guys that got a ring three different championships, which is amazing was just shows that your winter wherever you go and they both started on Cleveland together when Danny Green was a rookie, you know, God Like Danny Green was a rookie got drafted a Cleveland played for LeBron. And now they're actually going to you know end probably, you know, Danny Graves probably won't end his career in a Lakers jersey cuz I don't know how many more years Danny Green's going to play. You know, I mean, what else does he have to prove? You know, so yeah, man, he better step up their game. They better go out there and play like ass elimination. Like game seven, you know, everything's on the table or this series going to be a sweep or a gentleman sweep. You know, I mean, I know that right is just needs to be granted from ear-to-ear probably this whole finals man cuz you know, he feels like he's Nostradamus right now. Like he he just got his psychic prediction like 100% off all the money and hate to say he's right. An extra dollars take right next to the Damas course, you know, I've said all year long to the Lakers is who I work for and I didn't down off of it. You know saying I'm a LeBron fan and that's why this Championship has been like a little well like no matter who wins. I feel like I'm satisfied, you know, I'll be happy either way cuz I support both sides. Jimmy Butler is my second favorite dude in the league right now, you know, I mean, how can you not like Jimmy people could say when he wanted about Minnesota, but he goes in Minnesota and they make the quails first time and got only God knows when and now they they you know soon as he leaves they get the number one pick in the draft cuz they thought they sucked and Sixers, you know, they were one basket away from going to the Eastern Conference Finals. And it shows Tobias Harris over Jimmy Butler which makes no sense. You know Tobias Harris has approved. He's a winner, you know that he could share your franchise that he could lead or franchise Jimmy Butler, you know, people could say what they want about what he's just he's just like the modern-day Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant man. He's he got that mob mentality. Like if you ain't working as far as him, you know the wrong team and But I'm like that too like, you know, if you know a partner with somebody on a business and you ain't working as hard as me you partner with the wrong care, you're in the wrong business right now off, you know, cuz I'm you know, I'm at work super hard everything. I do, you know what I'm saying? And I'm I'm like an octopus, you know with it. I I run a promo Company by myself off. I do Mai Vlogs all by myself. I curate my playlist by myself, you know, I'm doing this podcast by myself. I process orders by myself. I do the customer service. I do all my own marketing advertisement by myself. You know like it the thing I've learned about is, you know, nowadays you can't make excuses or not knowing something cuz what you tell me you don't know something. I'm going to just tell you Google it off. Google it and if it's not on Google then it's probably not out there for you to find it. It's just some secret Vatican archives. It's hidden away in Nevada can organize locked away the Medicus a while. You're not going to find it if it's because everything is on Google that you looking for every how to or every like educational thing is all Google. You know, I'm saying it would not budge. Once again your boy Paul Pickett Paul speaking podcast. Make sure you subscribe subscribe down there in the bottom right corner, you know when y'all YouTube and what not subscribe to the channel check us out of trouble Palace. This is Cindy Castle Planet Plains, new lender. We don't got a socialist for the The podcast but they'll probably be up before next episode. So right now just go follow us on Twitter purple Palace llc at any Castle on Twitter Bap NE Castle music on Instagram promo Palace just promo Palace by itself on Instagram. You could also follow us on Tic Tac and promo Palace l l a c o Tik Tok facebook.com promo Palace LLC facebook.com forward slash. Any Castle? 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Episode 150: Late One Night

the memory palace

17:18 min | 1 year ago

Episode 150: Late One Night

"This episode of the Memory Palace brought to you in part by groove collaborative in online marketplaces that makes it so so easy to shop for all natural cleaning beauty and prison when you discover and they make it super easy in the shopping experience totally pleasant for a limited time when my listeners to grow dot co slash memory you will get a free there micro-plastics in on but grove is like a whole grocery store not just filled with the natural products that you already know in love but with others there Oh care. Products Grove has all sorts of products and brands that you are already familiar with from that one tiny shelf at your local grocery store where you can find a handful of lonely items you know we're seventh generation takes up a seventh of the space admits the major behemoth brands from your mega companies were there chemicals in the harsher braces radio x Hours of the morning make a mistake he knew he was no Sinatra but he knew he didn't need to be not for this in a way that scene stealing walk on that movie role that would make him a matinee idol this wasn't the dream but it was coming you could feel it he'd been preparing to sing the song for years since he was a kid walking home with his buddies after some creature double feature some Saturday afternoon or cracking them up with his impressed it revere beach this wasn't the dream according to Song it was a Lark and it was a stepping-stone something to do before he landed the pilot you're twisting knobs and flipping switches in a real record producer taking a drag from a cigarette and giving them a thumbs up us or at History Colorado Dot Org this is the Memory Palace I'm need to mail and the ruling playback then bobby just goes how could he not as he stepped in front of Mike Lock of his bond hair sneaking out of Sinatra ad in a real Hollywood studio with a real engineer rush he and his Buddy Lenny just laughing and riffing over over over a four chord progression they'd heard a million times million songs on sunset boulevard a stone's throw from Hollywood high that location alone still had some magic in it for Bobby Pickett only six years since he graduated high school sound of the chains the creaking door the lumbering footsteps did record all that before bobby had shown up in the studio surprise he did them on time and it was a graveyard smash bobby named the band at the monster part of the coffin bangers lenny name the backup singers the crypt kicker five so easy not because writing a novelty the best singer in a five-man boy band voice but he was starting to find his footing make friends make connections meet that guy the bar who knows the girl who to start him he'd been having a blast but didn't really have that much to show for it beyond story so far but there he was in the project that whole hopscotch of happenstance in hustle that can look in the right light the right number of drinks into the right night like a straight line there's welby on the stereotypes of mountains and marijuana to uncover stories about their home state they can't believe they never heard new episodes available every other Wednesday wherever you get your podcast this up memory palace is brought to bid lost highway's a new documentary podcast from History Colorado explorers overlooked stories about Colorado uh-huh light speed and he fails to in most and suddenly in twelve seconds of catchy pop absurdity off on the wrong side of the tracks Boston not long after his ill-fated stint in postwar Korea all kitchen duty in Bordellos and balloon curved honest to goodness recording studio in Hollywood even wore a pork pie hat for the occasion just like one Sinatra War and the photo on the back cover of in the wee small aches it's called Monsters Mash Party it's a different version. The instrumental backing track of Monster Mash was pointless noodling an MP three Oregon and Bobby Fuse in court marshals and just months since he'd come out to California to make it to take a chance on his henchmen to the team bully and a beach party movie good looks and his right goofy song about monsters. That's Bobby Pickett doing all the male voices Dr Frankenstein is monster. Also the American West in how that region has shaped the world from same sex marriages performed way back in nineteen seventy five to all black Sullivan's founded by freed slaves refund tradeoff lines they pitched on the guest list the Wolfman Bizarre He's having Fun Dracula would have to bring his son because it would rhyme with fun the king had heard people talking about this monster mash but hadn't heard it yet ultimately said it was the dumbest thing he'd ever listened to but still elvis had heard Bobby's record long as easy but when you start with the premise that's kind of genius that Dr Frankenstein had been working in his lab late one night in the second the monster rises up from his slab and then he is in Hollywood backed up by a young band called the Beach Boys on October twentieth just in time for Halloween Monster Mash by chiefs to Communist Rockstar who might have been the most famous American in the world except in America join hosts in public radio journalists knoll black and Tyler Hill is they take one day with his buddy lenny set by a three minute twelve second pop song this is the part of the AH bobby was on his way he could feel it the course of his life set by half an hour spent goofing around and the piano there's a little bit of eager in there I think and that is him as Dracula however many centuries old rising from his coffin to complain about the kids today living some bits in the various voices and it is borderline and listenable but the Assad this is the part of the story when the record spins and we Lewiston Maine and teenage girls are screaming looking up from the crowd with hearts in their eyes and then he's lip synching a local news show in Bakersfield Bobby Boris Pickett the record company through in the Boris to make it sound spookier was at the top of the billboard singles chart and then everything was happening on story when things start to go wrong you have likely heard enough tales of Hollywood to have seen it coming they do have their familiar shapes and rhythms works on the desk of some agent who knows this producer who knows this woman who's one of the mistresses to the aging actor he used to play the buttoned up data on that Sitcom and he's trying to pull together his name he goes on game shows there are groupies famous friends while parties someone tells them that Elvis asked one of his boys to get him a copy of the forty five once American bandstand commercials he lands a role in the pilot for TV. Show the second banana to Ricardo Montalban Monster Mash was released on our packs records in August of nineteen sixty two the B. side the song on the other side of the record was hacked together from out CR hero mugging in vamping leaving it all on stage at Honky talk in Dallas to six bewilder people but then he's in a vet's hall in outside of his career when the booking slowdown and your calls stop getting returned when you start looking for someone to blame though usually the press in two thousand and five just two years before his death of leukemia at the age of six nine as on the day his pilot was set to Air I am recording this in a room in my house with a view of the Griffiths Observatory up there in the Hollywood hills James Dean and Natalie Wood in Sao minnows characters Bobby Pickett blamed himself why did he let them call him. Boris Bob you pick it was a cool name Bobby Boris Pickett but was that from new the song inside writing it all why did he have to make those faces when he say now he needed to do it to make all the monster voices in yes granted where would he be without the monster voices Alpine worth a monster mash clones what bank blues graveyard shift the sinister stomp me and my mummy it's all okay but if he was going to spend is it doesn't end abruptly with some metaphorical needle scratch though it felt that way to him as he describes in his memoir published by a very small star trek flopped but when night soon thereafter in New York just as Saturday night live was taking off he said the cast in its Creator Lorne michaels off plead out the tragic end of rebel without a cause before each of those actors went off to meet their own tragic ends Bobby Pickett story isn't one of those Hollywood tragedy Aww just in time for Christmas there were nights when he'd run into stars real ones people he known a bit back when they were all just hustling Jack Nicklaus time on something that was just going to sell okay shouldn't have taken a risk tried to rebrand himself instead of chasing the same high instead of recording monster dinner saw them as fellow travelers entertainers and he went up introduced himself asked if they had heard star trek and they were not impressed. Sure sure are the Monster Mash Boris with the funny faces yeah that was probably would be in there are worse things your time there when life's jukebox flipped the record over just in time out of nowhere body we get residuals check and so there were years most years when he just wait for October when there would be someone who'd want him singing SOM- some gig year after his number one single had made him the hot young thing in town the very day his career was supposed to catch fire Kennedy got shot and then they he's not jail in there were years he spent lamenting how his deals were written how has labels should have been out there making a fortune on licensing opportunities but but still look ridiculous in that first year he was always touring and in Monster Mash wouldn't have broken so big if he hadn't have done all that touring answer mash in it took off again brought him back to the top forty peaked at number ten years later it was great he pulled the band did his pilot in the never got around to hearing you and he was sure everything was over at then but instead he had just flipped over to the how he starts a dance craze song rates itself in their thirty minutes staff and our when they have been doing anything else but decided don't know it may not always feel that way then being has been at least you had been not everyone gets to be and flip back again lost child you got divorced one time he and some friends bought a bunch of cocaine in Colombia kilos of the stuff spin and keep bringing the arm back over and over let's play on repeat three minutes and twelve seconds the half hour just when things were getting desperate and then once in nineteen seventy three out of nowhere never really figured out why they re released the Chevy Chase is nice always remember them always like champion for that and there were darker days when he would wonder if his record was ever twenty five thirty five years later three minutes and twelve seconds half an hour has been moving around nineteen sixty two that constrained in western Massachusetts say when he takes the stage and make the faces and say those same old lines and people would love it it would feel good either way then those nights always at night and some carnival midway or headlining some Halloween hayride weekend spectacular this episode of the memory together played some big shows tried to get something going again but what's going in

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22: Promo Palace LLC Vlog 22 - The Benefits of free music streaming sites

Paul Pickett Podcast

25:46 min | 3 months ago

22: Promo Palace LLC Vlog 22 - The Benefits of free music streaming sites

"Was was going back. My name is paul pickett all of trouble palace. Llc this is the promo palace llc wlov this one right here Twenty one arrogant entitled this would all followers are not fans log. twenty one off while was not fans For we just hit the subscribe button at right hand corner also you could check out. Promo paths dot biz issued the web address right baloney Also audio version of this. Go to spotify amazon music. deesor slacker. Tunin i heart radio and several other platforms. You google podcasts for version in a video version of be on youtube facebook instagram tv. What i walked twenty one off. All the was an offense. I basically our people caught up this. I did it. Just somebody follows you on social media that they really follow you know because sometimes people just following asphalt to get people to follow back allow you a lot of artists out musicians that do the worst thing in the world follow follow which doesn't work because he no up artist dope support other unsigned artists. Like that did not buying other notice music. They're not streaming music or not. Check stuff out like the people that constantly. Check your stuff out. Every time you draw every october amitai drop it every time they go streaming music or download just abide merchandise those fans. You know it and you know you get to social media. Followers is really all about gauging and he will allow the people gauge. It might not be fans the might be hairs. They might dislike what you're doing you know. So am i gonna call hinders because some people just eight about hey. Is everybody like everything. Some people like apple so people like oranges. Everybody doesn't like every day. I don't mind brockway out like a lot. Of greens you know. Only like sub festivals. Everybody don't like everything lettuce surveyed about burger. I don't like lettuce on myself taco. But i could do with a little bit of lettuce on my coach you taco. So what again. Anybody don't like everything just because you put it out there. You know what. I'm saying even if you got fans you fans like everything you put out just because you put it out. It doesn't work that way because you got a counselor put out the music that helps you build at fan days in the first place you know so all was are not fans in is really all about the people engaging in oh would just because though gauge is what makes your post viral or what makes it easier content. Your- powell is when the followers that engage. Would you can have tubs of fog wasn't get no engagement. It doesn't mean you got fans. Let me take a sip jerusalem this you can dick about that a little bit just because you got a lot of followers doesn't mean engage in was just up that it which is out they're not really fans whatsoever you know there's different levels of lever fans 'cause y'all forget fans is short term for fanatics fanatics lick about fanatic is a fanatic. Somebody who's just they're just go crazy. With what else did you know they. They can't live without this. Without your music out. Joe product or service you know fanatics got to have it all the time. They'll just just go crazy every time they know. Come across your product or your service your brand whatever a roof and attic you know fanatics who by a t shirt at a show legal by a hat. Go by jacket legal by hoodie. Like you know if it yesterday. So i just like stranger music every now did did not like the not a real fan. Not a real fanatic into. They really want something outside music. Today bought some power merchandise. They're not really fanatic. I used to fanatics of a lot of artists coming up in the nineties. Air relies d-. I was because i didn't buy. Does it passed the album for these cats. You know iowa to the shows will add up people that go to shows just to go shows doesn't necessarily be near a fan in music is just what's poppet in oats popping event for the next photo night weekend or whatever so everybody that goes to shows at going just because they're acts fan so top people will go just because they were writing. Hey you wanna go to this you know so so show yes at s to do so people just go to heavy show they just gotta go out every week in party. Do this that just ask people just let laugh is people. Don't you know but everybody's not going to be a fanatic. Just they follow you just because they get the follow bud light engaging with your content after that however much constantly gauged. Are these Liking it you know comment in all of saying and people who really comment gasset a people really really hooked morning either truly dislike or people who truly love yourself the people that are truly engaging you know but y'all kind of thin followers wanna be follow but what about engagement you know having tabs. If artists covered by of new followers ask the virus showed be follow. Somebody no because this is just a what. What for accuracy. If you've gotta capture has zero followers wanna boosted two thousand just to make it look like cells going on and go on. Straight organic acted hat but by followers. Just look at our rather just slowly gradually page. Just everybody organically come to it. You know organically gauging and whoever like following has to be a free will had a process so when you always go to this process of follow follow life like eight. Nothing free will about it. 'cause it's something for something you know it's favorable favor that's not free will have to give you favorite audit time for you to if i gotta give you a favor of utah is do favorite death not really a friendship. That's the that's the associate business associate you know. Has some friends should do favors sometimes without expecting favors in return a real friend. Would he would hold you to your feet to the fire. Yo you favor. Definitely you your. Ob what now that just means. You just have a boat of the agenda. You're not a real front. you know so. Followership has to be a free world. Day you advertise your contact. You put out the content. You put it out constantly. H- insistently persistently people react and you don't put out one day every want of what every week. No content is a day to day driven day so to build these followers. You need to put out content day to day have recorded music day to day you put out other content other visual content pictures or videos that you do whatever you know whatever you want to put out there as far as your your life you put it out dead in on the table it one of social media content you put out this deadly give people react that way you sir has tax. You posted a right time in you advertise with this follow. Follow subscribe to subscribe bass following so we can get a bunch of people to follow back. That really doesn't work for artists that works for business certain businesses because this is once again after no back about using a necessity. People can live their lives without us. You don't need use it to live other forms of entertainment that people can replace using with if it's so much about entertainment or some people chose to read a book. So using his data processing like certain businesses assessing food bit food service. Business is at assess the tea because everybody has to eat to live clothing does this is artists acities. Everybody has to wear clothes to stay out of jail. Rufo ahead is a necessity. You know 'cause even homeless people trust me you know they. They want and need a roof over head so fought like this mass follow. It went for a bunch of people to follow it back only works for cities like for example. All artists need music. They need advertising so the mass following a repeatable are as following back works why all artists need music. Promotions and advertising and marketing. 'cause interview. Thank you you're delusional. You're delusional like i don't know what you take if you take. You don't need to spend any money marketing process at any form or anytime promote you newsy. You're delusional just not one single person you could name. I mean give me. A name of artists is that name. it was spitting. Zero was zero dollars would spin music way. Who's that artist neighbor. 'cause you the name because it's it's impossible. Music business is a business user. Artists are a service. You just entertainment. You're just the entertainment. it's a service. Entertainment is a service it guess. What entertainers to advertise their services. They have to advertise disturbances. It most entertainers out. They aren't getting paid to entertain. Because why would i pay you to entertain at a club if you have no fan base. You can't bring no fans to the show. It is not the show promoters job to bring fans did entertainment yes. He's his job is to advertise. Rtc brains or the invitation brings with the entertainments jobs. You have fanbase. It's their jobs their name in responsibility for their name to bring bills fans so your show promoted at books honest. That has no chance. That's your fault you know. Does if your book a book artists who has fans then gonna do more likely do his job it is named in his fanbase. Your to come because of the work. He's building his fanbase. Already having famous fan base dictates everything in the entertainment business and in the consumer business. Any any way you look at it. 'cause fans enough about the sooners are but consumers they consume music down by download. Smuggled out small portions so by merchandise so paid shows shop paint folk premium council shoot platform distributed music regardless they pay. You know that consumers and so if you think. You're billy consumers without promoting your product to advertise your product. That's bogus that's delusional. that's fall stacey it's non existent you know and now up started strangling for one time though but like all followers are saying you build fans by putting out good content put it up consistently daily even not put music. You put out other content. That's how influencers get big. That's how they have fanbase influence over people a constant kostic contents good content. That people react to that treads that may go viral. It helps the ability but more fence because nowadays the fans of breaking records labels ain't breaking records labels a breaking artist radio breaking new artists. They might live there breaking records than probably gonna break themselves anyway soon as they hit youtube every other platform thing. You don't need your radio your break without radio if you have fabrics you don't need radio. You have fantasies but we have no families. You need it up. you need it all. You have no families. You gotta advertise across the board or you pick. What platform dedicate that. Dedicate a budget a daily budget over low period of time. Advertising that platform you know in our recommend. Youtube always is number one. You know in this idea that you're going to advertise for thirty days. It s it could end. You want to back out. 'cause you're not getting the results you want to see just yet. That's not how it works. He put all at promoter south thirty days of make it. You can't breaking record and three. You can't break the record of three or four months. Nowadays it takes a year to break records nowadays when you have no fan base in your upcoming unsigned artists with no established. Fan base. you only break records on your own. Would you have a stamp established fayette dates thousands of people willing to stream. Your counts hit every time. Share your content in common in engage. Typically you need thousands to go viral but to living a good ted. Doubt you gotta get thousand fans of real check down fans not streaming music. But that's willing to buy download merchandise or buy your album or ep. You could make a little bit every single year of ten thousand fans by music not streaming by you have to have hundreds of thousands of fans to make a live enough streaming music and several does will also by but if you're going off with distributor long douses will do you ain't naked a living off of thousands there's gotta be hundreds of thousands of people streaming your music constantly to make a living on all platforms. Not just one. Did you just live make a living off the spotify which is with that no. I'll platforms across the board. You know so. All the offense are not fond. Was it all follow us on that fans the people that are truly engaging with your stuff always go check out your stuff that will share you stuff comment light by t shirt out by download. It'll those are the fans just because somebody follows. You doesn't mean they're fan. They might follow you. Never check out a post ever. It might not never click the like button. One sable pulse cobbing. What will pope whatsoever. So just following doesn't make them offense and don't get caught up in followers econo- people going to gauge with your post. Your contact us it adult at begging people to do it. Is it the way to go. Begging people does ick Back is the way to go. That's not promotion. Begging you know. Please please listen or like i had a birthday. The other day people wanna Links birthday day in about today is about. It's my birthday. Screw your damn song link Birthday screwed it ended about you. Al-bab birthdays it. If you go you have taken out of the gift. No not take it as get any harder yet might be trash. Follow it by being trashed while. Give me something. I don't even want my birthday. Just you gotta get free promotion out of neo about birthday. Tell be happy birthday to try to get your free promotion man. That's pathetic is pathetic. Advertise promote Do surreal market so pathetic. follow follow. let's happy birthday song like on there. Like this is a gift. You better be spit bar. How in rock him ejei to consider that damn anything any song a gift on my birthday take it got standards when it goes music our big crowley you better be great sydney music. My birthday tha happy birthday. Here's a free kick. You better be the second coming of nas if not have your birthday. Present after window is so pathetic it also is above begging for change. You know in front of the store man over and over again you got you all the time to beg for change. You got all the time to fill out applications. You know so. Let's not be pathetic about this. Follow for follow you know. Artists artists banded office. Boever doesn't work. You know why disparagingly everywhere because what's again using is not an assess the in life is not a decec- everybody's life so people don't even listen to music show people don't even listen to. Music is not an assessment. Everybody's like but you. What is the disaster. Debbie artists like this tried a naked in the music business a legit advertising marketing promotion company. So you gotta understand between wants knees before you start spanning you spam and things that people might want but don't necessarily need doesn't work you got your spam. It only works when they need it. They need it was against spam. It only works when i need it. You know all fans are not followers it is all about ganj. -ment is all about dropping content hostile yoga again in good content. Not just put out it good content. We'll see again. De-subscribe can't corner chapa a website triple palace dab you get check out new little paralytic dot com. We got the t shirts we got this one. This is the work smarter not harder live life. I worked smarter. Not harder unaware hard enough long enough in life. Now it's time to work smart you know. L. check out cast dot net trouble palace dot biz planning dot com. You can follow twenty or provo palace. A facebook promo policy was to get an audio version to go to the podcast. Which is paul picking podcasts. Google that were on spotify amazon. Caesar slacker add to tune in iheartradio and other platforms as well Check it out on instagram. Tv is graham pro palace tic tac promo palace. Llc a about it it also wasn't hit de-subscribe twenty one is called off. Followers are not fans or fanatics as we call so was again not get caught up in hype misleading followers abyss leading followers is the most misleading number on the internet is the most misleading internet because they gauge moment truly tells the truth in the story. I'll check it out stuff. Have many people come in in reacted. And if you just put your content in constantly putting out people react because they'll see you constantly over and over again and that's how advertising works just this idea that you advertise offs. You just one off and what time you know what both or what week or what pro in you know you get results. Y'all to the next. That's not how it works. Advertising his process that does over long period of time even when mainstream artists bake it it got towed fans. They still put money into ads. Who's they still need more fans. Sometimes they still want more fans you never could never. You never have enough offense. You never have too many fans. There's always room for fans. So does i did. It's you got enough fans are left out but what happens when you not relevant relevant no more in loudini fans. Check it for you. 'cause you just decided that it was taboo to stop building fans as long as your music business and as long as drop music. The process of building change should ever stop issue going fabric. I don't care gain. Twenty years you definitely. If you've been together twenty years you definitely should be allowed to build new fans. 'cause you got artist debt. Did you got young kids that were born. You know twenty years ago that it grow up on you raw other artists you know so yeah i'll follow it was an fancy de-subscribe but also you can email me plot. Promo pals that biz in Palace would at g. dot com video music promotion marketing or. You just want to promote your brand. Jagger's output will palace biz august edgy bella soprano palace. One at bill. Paul at provo palace doubt biz In this is paul picket. Promo palisades see. This is a law. Twenty one all was not vance Piece of that.

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Olympians: Tidye Pickett

Encyclopedia Womannica

06:06 min | 2 months ago

Olympians: Tidye Pickett

"The below from wonder media network. I'm jenny kaplan. And this is encyclopedia were manica. Olympian has largely been left out of the history books despite being the first african american woman to compete in the olympics. Let's talk about tidy. Picket tidy pickett was born in nineteen fourteen in. Chicago's englewood neighborhood. Her family lived across the street from washington park where local foot races were often held. Tidies talent and speed were evident. She caught the eye of city officials. Who recruited her for the chicago park district. Track team tidies. First big break came after competing in chicago. Armory event john brooks who at the time was a university of chicago athlete. And one of the country's best long jumpers asked tidies parents if he could coach her. He promised a shot at the olympics and in nineteen thirty two. He made good on that promise. By the time she reached highschool tidy was one of the fastest women in the united states in nineteen thirty two. She was selected to be a member of the olympic. Four by one hundred relay pool. The final racers would be selected at the games which were being held in los angeles along with louis. Stokes tidy was one of two african american women for the olympic track and field team. She was just seventeen years old when we was eighteen. The two were subjected to a myriad of racist attacks and policies on the train to la. Louise and tidy were put in a separate room near the service area. They eat meals alone rather than with the rest of the delegation in the banquet hall. One point there teammate. Mildred babe didrikson to we profiled on this show last year through a pitcher of ice water onto louise's tidy while they were asleep in their bunk when they made it to la. The mistreatment continued louise and tidy practiced with their teammates during the day but at night they were stuck in the dorms as the rest of the runners gathered in the whites only dining hall. The most painful moment came when louise untidy were replaced and the relay by two white women both of whom had slower times than louise's tidy the teens spent the games watching from the stands as the all white team won the gold medal. Four years later in nineteen thirty six both tidy and louise tried qualify once again for the olympic track team. While the qualifying trials yielded a frustrating performance for louise's tidy shined she'd recently set an unofficial world record during chicago park district track. Meet opening the four hundred meter relay race with forty eight point. Six second time at the olympic trials. She came in second in the eighty meter hurdles which automatically qualified her for the actual event When tidy stepped onto the track and berlin. She was twenty one years old. The first african american woman to compete in the olympic games tidy ultimately made it to the semifinals and the eighty meter hurdles. While training for the event she developed something of a bad habit letting her trailing foot grease the hurdle in the us. This wasn't much of an issue. Runners weren't penalized for knocking down. Hurdles but at the olympic level the hurdles remain upright hit as their attached to the track in her final race. Tidy hit the second hurdle and broke her foot. She couldn't finish. That would be the last time. She raced on an international stage. The nineteen forty and nineteen forty four olympics were cancelled because of world war two tidy return to life in chicago. She became a teacher and served as principal of chicago heights. Elementary school for twenty three years when she retired in nineteen eighty. They renamed the school after her. Tidy died in chicago heights. In nineteen eighty-six. There are many reasons why tidy story was untold. For so many years she was young and a woman and didn't come from pedigree track program. She didn't win a medal. Tidies intense perseverance. Despite ms treatment from her own teammates led her to break what had seemed at the time like an impossible barrier all month. We're talking about olympians for more on why we're doing what we're doing check out our newsletter manica weekly follow us on facebook and instagram at encyclopedia. Manica special thanks to liz. Caplan my favorite sister and co creator as always. We'll be taking a break for the weekend. Talk to you on monday. Through for you go. I want to tell you about another show. I think you'll like push black. The largest nonprofit media outlet in america has a podcast black history year host. Jay connects listeners. To the stories thinkers and activists left out of mainstream conversations and politics. The things that happened in history still affects us today and the actions taken today. We'll go down in history jay and guests dive into a range of topics including the systemic silencing of black women black art is a means of liberation the prison industrial complex and more black history here is available. Wherever you get your podcasts. Check it out.

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Make it Stop: Bobby 'Boris' Pickett - The Original Monster Mash (w/ Andrew Wiley)

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:56:27 hr | 10 months ago

Make it Stop: Bobby 'Boris' Pickett - The Original Monster Mash (w/ Andrew Wiley)

"WHO's in their vote amount? Of Water, election days. Now. Biggest Swain here from deeper digs and rocker archaeology John are you registered to vote. I know I am. Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote. Top date or check your voter registration status, go to headcount dot org or you'll find all the information you need to be ready for election day. At Headcount Dot Org, you can also check your registration status because I don't know if you know this but millions of people get purged from the voter rolls every year. Everyone should check their registration status every year. The deadline to register to vote in some states is as early as October fourth. So you want to check before that. You can also request an absentee ballot, get INFO on early voting finder polling place and see what's on your ballot. Headcount is a nonpartisan nonprofit that tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote. But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head Count Dot Org. and. I'll see you at the polls. Ya. Brain from new. Star. Good evening no, you spooky a cookie. And Globally. Welcome to make it stop. US All of. Hosted by A. A by and I'm here to that's why. How do you like are fully sound design for the ESP movie that ever ever existed there I was using a cinnamon stick and a glass of whisky. So if you're wondering. Almost as good as the The effects on on the tracks on the album data we didn't have the two by four with a nail and it to slowly pull out. The sound of creaking often door. Or slapping my keys on the table. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah we got that. We got that or just like a really really long really heavy necklace. Like one of those run DMC chains, that's what I was. That's that's I think what actually was the backing track to the Monster Mash which is guess what stop is what we're going to be talking about today by the way as our wonderful announcer already announced you're not an announcer, your guests I just made. A, guest announcer announced the show so you can take off now we've got we need. We just needed to introduce us in a bobby Pickett born Boris Karloff approximation and we got it from here. Yeah. No. No. Of course are our dear friend Andrew, Wylie stopping and again a famously of the episode. At season one. Back another go round and another piece of sixties camp. Yeah Weirdness the original Monster Mash by Bobby Pickett. That's right. I mean you might think, Hey, the monster mask that's not bad music. That's an all time. One of the greatest hits of all time best songs I could listen to that song and I have for for more than an hour straight of done it and just nonstop as they would say, it was a graveyard smash and we say that because it literally was this song the Monster Mash and the song that is the album, the monster mash, or the original monster mash by Bobby Pickett right. which is the subject of the episode. Of course, just like you know the Monster Mash, the song great ultimate classic while You were saying you. Oh yes. So I mean I can listen to the monster mash for for an hour if not more than I have in fact, one time I had a pop up shop in Allston it it was called Pop Allston and you know for Halloween I was just like, Hey, I'm putting on the Monster Mash. Amazon I'M GONNA, play it until until somebody asked me to stop and I don't think any to stop for probably about an hour and a half. So why would they I mean it's a great song a one of the best one of the best songs. I do I do think it's I. Mean it is the only piece of a sixty s novelty music that endured in this way for so long you know it it, it topped the charts and sixty two. Atop the charts again in seventy and seventy three, and then it has. It. Has. The wikipedia article claims it never charted again after that but I've read a billboard article that says, it does it has hit their top one hundred basically every halloween season. Since. They started tracking streaming You know music streams. So why wouldn't it? Yeah I mean it is. It's. It's the only Halloween equivalent of a Christmas Carol you know that everyone knows. And it's just it's just good fun. It is. You know we know now heather and I at least know that it is. A direct lift from mashed potato time but you might not know that there's a sixteen track album. That was made after the monster mash to cash in on the Monster Mash and squeeze little more money out of it. That is not quite up to the standards I would say of the hit. By lightning does not strike twice. Nor does it strike sixteen times right and and okay. So we're talking about this album being sixteen songs long where it is just one song that is extended. You were talking about playing the album for an hour and a half. The album but the monstrum song right. That's what this album is. It's the monster mash for and a half and it somehow thirty six minutes and there's all songs watered-down. Odd versions of variations of the theme. It's just It's definitely too much and not enough I. Don't know if you guys know this but I've done a lot of research we're going to get into the history of this album 'cause I will say there's not a lot to pick apart in the songs themselves in the lyrics. Well, there's some there's we're GONNA get into weird. Shit. About Zombie sex today you guys ready for that. There's a deep lower established on this. Story being told, well, you can pick up on I. Don't know deep law I think I picked up on some deep lower here the relationship between Boris in DRAC. It's it's nuanced. It's nuance. So we'll. We'll definitely get into all of that but did you know about the so okay. was back on up. So this is this is my dude bobby. Parentheses, Boris Pickett, which, of course, the boers representing Boris Karloff who played dracula he can do lead. Sorry. BELLUCCI play directly. Plead Frankenstein's monster and the mummy Lon Chaney was the Wolfman some of these cats played a lot of different people on. CARS PROBABLY DID PLAY DRACULA IT some point I, but mostly mostly more famous for for the mummy. Yeah I maybe we should back up and talk about the history of how this song slash album came to be. Let's talk about. Bobby Boris Pickett's. Well I mean. So I've been a big fan of the Monster Mash for a long time and I remember when I first found out that Bobby Boris Pickett was from Somerville I blew my socks off. Yeah I. I. was I was super excited I was like I can't believe it and not only was Bobby Boris Pickett from several his father was the theater manager at the theater and so she'll pick it Kinda grew up watching all these old horror movies and and loving them, and that's sort of the genesis of the Monster Mash right and he just got very good at imitating you know the voice the WHO's. The one that you so eloquently did as our intro. Colo, law. That was more of a Lugosi right there, but he does he is trying to do karloff voice. He does his facial expressions if you watch him on American bandstand, he doesn't really terrifying Jim Carey ask. Facial contortions throughout the lip synching of the Monster Mash he's it's the one thing he does really well, and he managed to pay his rent for his entire lifetime off of basically a song that he came up with within thirty minutes and recorded. In like an hour. He wanted also basically just an impersonation of Boris Karloff. Song that already existed called Mashed Potato Time. White Men am I right. So But the fact that he was able to extend that you're right into an entire career with all of you know with at a hit like the monster match which actually charted at least three times in multiple. I think it was the first artist or the first song to. Be at the top of the charts three times in three different decades. So that's pretty fucking incredible for you know a guy that again you know grew up in Somerville. and was just a fucking Weirdo who could do a really good. Impression of somebody else playing a character on a movie you know. and. He didn't even wasn't really even a musician. You know he joined a doo-wop group because he linked up with some guys when he was in Korea. Yes. Korean War. But that was kind of just like a side. gig He really wanted to be an actor he he was obsessive becoming an actor. But. This was just kind of a side thing where he you know his friends, he was doing a he he he had like a little band. Believe it was called the cordial's yeah and they would play just gigs for dinner. At an Italian restaurant, they would literally sink for Spaghetti I believe is a quote. We to. That's that's a scene from an Italian restaurant there I love that idea what food steph would you Would you sing for? Almost any I mean. We'll sing for a lobster. What's your singing voice like? It's not it's not good. Oh I. Definitely I can't sing real. Good. You know to my own Horn y'all know the deal. AFTER STOPPING ANYTIME DOT COM One Bobby Pickett fax I wrote down from my research. So many dated clerks Liebman I'll I love that I, don't know who that is. Very famous actress for would who was she? Wasn't she in the Golden Girls? Yes. No No. No chlorophyll leash. Leach men. I just know that like an iconic older lady from young Frankenstein. Bruecke your. History of the world part one and she was oh. Yes. She was on the Mary Tyler Moore show okay. Well either way. Yeah Lebron dad ransom real theater. We covered that record mash at twenty four years old Yep and in his fifties. He reunited with his long lost daughter and they had a a great like. Father Daughter relationship until his death in two thousand seven. Perhaps I would say. The only person in the history of making stop who would pass the is this person a piece of shit test with flying, colors. Brought back. The season I completely forgot is this person a piece of shit? Wonderful. He's not even a little bit in fact you'd. A Super Chill Guy Yeah. Finest Listeners just as a quick aside by the way if you hear any, you know you know the sounds of the city police sirens or You know freight trains that go on for fucking miles. It's because we're recording my backyard. So I apologize for that. This is our first in person guest. Ah since. Large. Happy to be here. This is a great purple picnic table. Is. It really is What was I saying Oh because okay of our Massachusetts childhoods we know another little piece of Trivia about my guy is that he was. The voice and also performed at spooky world. Theme. America's Tagline I think that's what it is. And I always always always wanted to go to spooky world, and for some reason, I could never get anybody to take me to fucking spooky world. Yeah I I didn't do the whole thing because they had like a haunted house and they had like the stage show which bobby pick it do, and they had the haunted hayride and I did the haunted hayride kid and I gotta say that should sucked railing. Yeah. Better off going to bear it's haunted mansion in Abington. Than Spooky world. If you ask me, that's a much better haunted house experience. Well, there you go. But either way he was there as a performer, he actually performed with tiny tim. Good friends and other novelty holdover from the sixties. WHO's actually way weirder and cooler even going on. Stern interview with him, it is like. Incredible he's saying weirdest he's extremely eccentric there. So I don't even know where to be where to begin. To him but that is he lays it all out on the line to Stern. So it's from the nineties I think. So definitely check that now not that I'm like a huge stern head, but like if he has like this, one's worth it even if your kind of. Think the he's revolting which he kind of is But yeah the one last piece of Trivia. was quote from Bobby Pickett Sister Linda proctor. Girls in some of all were always knocking on our door. He was very handsome. Okay. He might have been Hanson but his face is literally made out of like eating like candle wax and his entire like persona as his monster mash show. If you look at the video for the Monster Mash it's literally just him like clutching his arm claw and like you know like vibrating and like sneering in like the most grotesque facial approximations of I. Guess what he thinks is he is he the narrator of this whole story is he ebor? So my take I think he's supposed to be a doctor Frankenstein. Dr Frankenstein because you're a separate character who he also voices no no. Sorry eager was voiced by the guy who played the serial killer in 'em Oh my God Peter Laurie Yeah Peter Laurie does the voice of Ebor on I. Don't think on every track but on the monster match. So. Maybe. Whichever tracks he's in as a separate character voiced by someone else. Bobby. Bobby piggy does the rest of the characters I think they're all they're all him like he does the car I. Guess We're supposed to assume that it's Frankenstein's monster for Frank Afraid Dr Frankenstein I think the main character Boris. In. The in the story of this album is, is like a doctor, Franken's yeah. Dr Frankenstein. Draft Rack. Also, calls Bella. His rival, Frenemy? WHO's trying to create a song that's better than the on a dance better than the month. which by the way, they never tell you how to do the money. Just say they're just describing other people the Monster Mash but somehow on the Internet I did find out how to do the monster man how do you do it? You do the mashed potato and you hold your arms out lake. Frankenstein. That makes perfect sense. Yeah. There's a ton of describing dances without actually giving any details on this album. There's a ton of just mythical monster creatures doing various dances. There's weird shit like weird satire. There's weird like references to the time that they were in but overall with this was was was was literally like joke from the beginning. So I just want to talk a little bit. So there was this great article that I found an interview with with my dude. Bobby Pickett. On I think Jon Allen Henderson. Did this interview and So he asked how was monster? Mash written. And this is the story behind it. So Bobby Pickett says, the cordial's used to do little darling by the diamonds in the monologue in the middle of the song he says, Darlan, I need you to hold in mind your little hand. So I said to lenny the leader of the cordial's let me do this as Boris Karloff. He said great idea. So we sing the song and do Borealis Boris Karloff, and the audience was split up one night after a set and I guess split up means like they loved it. One, night after a set lenny said, you know novelty records. So big time we ought to do a novelty novelty record with that voice. I didn't think much of the idea of writing songs at the time. So this was he was he was a stand up comedian though he's just an aspiring actor. He even did do stand up actually have a story from a different interview about him doing stand up the ask. For it because it's funny because this actually. Like You know you can say like, Oh, well, he's just really good at doing this impression and that's how he ended up like. Striking gold by accident, doing it on the track but the impression turns out wasn't even his stick to begin with in this in this anecdote here, and this is from an interview and classic bands Dot Com. He says the first time I went onstage in. Everett to do a five minute stay. where. We are right now. Hey, turn to the crime here. Right. Rate and heathers backyard trail the first seven. What else? SEASON? Everett and heathers backyards do a five minute stand up comedy spoof of monsters which I kind of ripped off from a guy scene dude on a boat when I was returning from Korea in nineteen, fifty eight, he did a spoof monsters I just watched him. That's a great act we don't. So we just saw. He was doing Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi Impressions. I said You wrote the Act. He said no I still look from Jack Carter. I saw it on. TV, I said Okay then you won't mind if I use it. The original TIKTOK. Deep of ripping off someone else's work. I it becomes clear over the course of the original monster mash album that bobby pick it. You know he's a charming guy. He's a nice man, but he's not. Too Deep. This is not there's not a deep well of talent. He kinda he really he hits something unexpected with the monster. Mash. In fact, another quote from that interview he said. When I went into record monster mash I thought it was just a Lark and a few Boris Karloff freaks would enjoy this. Gosh, it was number one in eight weeks. Yeah. Two. Months after you go on record this thing just as a fucking joke around thirty minutes and as the number one song in the country. But then. Unbelievable. Can you just can you believe it folks? It is quite the talent just being a mediocre white man in America is. Is the the Cinderella story of the Mediocre White Man the story, the Monster Mash. So we okay. So really quickly. So he though again, the creation of the song was literally a tossed off mistake like it was as you mentioned, it was like in an afternoon it was maybe an hour i. think he mentioned I think he said twenty minutes like he literally said. So he had to he had two rows this guy lenny. So for Lenny from From the cordial's I don't know if it was lenny from the Oh. Yeah. Leading the cordial's. So I guess Lenny? Had A know had a drug problem. It was like Kinda fucked up. So we had to you know he he told. Bobby to come over because they were talking about doing a novelty record like these sell really well come over my house on Saturday. So bobby shows up lennie is in a drug induced stupor like can't wake up out of bed. He has to like physically like force him out of bed, and then he then he says this after he was acceptably awake he sat at the piano and started playing this four chord progression. He said, what do you think of this riff? I said I don't know, but maybe we should be something on the monster getting up. And doing the latest dance we were just kind of getting into groove. We started off with that at the time I thought the twist was the latest dance but many said, no, it's the mashed potato. So I said that's even better. We can call it the monster mashed potato. We shortened it to monster mash the song literally wrote itself and we presented Gary Paxton, who proclaimed the hit on just a piano with my voice, an old mono tape recorder. So so when they're saying when he said that the song road itself I, mean somebody else wrote it. Yes. So A. Little on me that. Yeah. Very that. S Era call he did the vocals in one take yes. He did the vocals in one take and it was innocent practicing in front of a mirror for very long time. Because he literally. So, much of the performance is based on the contortion of his face or they weren't even planning on like you know. It being a hit in any way shape or form like they had no backing and they were trying to get it like signed right they were trying to shop it around to different record labels and a bunch of different labels they turn them down. So and then it was like finally I duNno, which. Label pick. Them Up. The producer Gary Paxton just drove a bunch of demos around to radio stations around California. and. They just started playing it that day and it exploded that very day. So and it was totally unexpected because they didn't have a fucking album and then they were told that they basically had to come up with album like immediately and they literally wrote this entire album that we are reviewing today, which is bobby. PICKETT's original monster mash album into hours in two hours. Okay. So that's the two hours. That's how long it took them right this entire album and. Tell at all. And there's another wrinkle to this to just the reason this album is called. The original Monster Mash is because before they because they waited a little bit, they waited a few months. The Monster Mash came out to do this album. Another artist, the TV host Zachary John's Ackerley Yeah Yep he. Covered the song and released on his album which he called the Monster Mash. So they couldn't even use that title anymore for the album. and. He outsold them I believe by quite a bit. Did he did yeah because they were like rushing to get something out ahead of time because they saw how much of a hit it was and apparently that was that was just the thing back then everything was one song and yet it was still competitive. Like every single songs on exactly the same. Weird before the Beatles man, it was a weird. In the rock and roll. Rome yeah totally and so there are over three hundred and sixty covers of the monster mash. One of our previous Halloween episodes the The DANZA episode, the misfits have covered the monster mash. The bad misfits. Misfits I will say would the misfits have existed if not for this? Absolutely, not. The cramps I don't know I. I don't think so no no, that's so. What do you think made the song like we talked about how it was like it was lightning in a bottle is just kind of like an and not that it wasn't like intentional because the guy again attend intentionally stole the act of somebody else and was like, let's make a novelty song and let's give it very little thought and effort in here we go and he could do good voices like what do you think made the Monster Mash so successful like why did it like cut through and you? Graveyard smash that we know today exactly like a Smashie, right like so widely, you love the song tell me about it. You donate at she it's catchy. It's goofy. It's its campy Campbell things I love it is it is and and that's what's great about it is. It's it's probably Kinda tongue-in-cheek. And it's fun. It's silly. Kooky. Would the rocky horror picture show exist if not for the mono I mean I don't think so I think you know I think this kind of like this kind of monster camp is the kind of thing that like the kind of predates that stuff. Yeah. I mean I think at the time you know there's a lot of nostalgia for the. Classic Universal Monster Movies Right. They you know they're getting a lot of play at cinemas and stuff for for decades after they came out. And I think. I think teenagers at the time were like attracted to the. For that them at the time in the early sixties like that already was camp rhino but it hasn't been defined into that nostalgia hadn't I don't think been. Transformed into something like fun and ironic yet right around even if they had irony in the six. Fun and and. and. Irreverent. And I think that Bobby Pickett kind of. And I know that at the time? On. Television. Shows you had vampire era and? And and John's Ackerley doing these. Late night like network TV. Shows where they would show old horror movies and the drive in movie like creature features for sure. Yeah and there would be this guy, this character, the spook character who would. Do between commercial breaks like you know have little vignettes in and skits but that hadn't. You know those big television at the time, which was still a relatively new medium, but it hadn't nothing had happened in music yet. To. Capture that sort of thing. So by pick it just kinda he got in I, he did something that should have been obvious to anyone who is already a professional that you know this is going to sell. But he happened to be the guy to actually do it. Yeah and it's a what do you think about this? About the song I mean we're going to get into the album which you know spoiler alert none of the songs are as good as much mash. What do you think about the Monster Mash to begin with? We'll Roquan and maybe let's play the Monster Mash. Let's listen to it and then that'll start us on this journey of listened the whole album. Yeah. We'll start off from the on the good foot that sounds good and I'll share my thoughts after we after we give a little clip for for the listeners at home. All right cool. Here we go. Of Light. Speed. and. He Height on my monster from his slab began rise and suddenly. To my surprise is. He did them on time. It was a graveyard smash. Can Call it all. Donna. From From The call. So all right. So drag has taken a fat rib of some beaches on that fucking intro. He's a monster hash going on. Command. Command. Know. What's good it sounds good and it's like it's fun for kids and adults mash good. Thank. You for that commentary. That's why. Why we have you here? Yeah The. Other novelty music from the sixties. It was actually a very popular genre at the time I. Mean That's how they knew like, Hey, we need extra scratch. Let's novelty song and see what happens because like very big at this time here come the judge they're. They're coming to take me away ha ha. That one I just think this is the best that sixty s novelty music has to offer. The only one anyone is still gives a shit about. Well, that's definitely true. So even though so it is the most is the quote most seasonal song on spotify meaning it receives the biggest seasonal spike and listens of any song in the spotify database. So on. Halloween two, thousand, fifteen the world collectively listen to forty, three, thousand, two, hundred, and fifty three hours of the monster mash to at least an hour and a half of that was you, Wiley. Stats, but it's literally. You know. So it's it's well known As as a hit and it continues to be a hit continues to be played. And part of the question I have for you. All is, would that be the case if there were more Halloween songs like what are the other Halloween size we got thriller and what else? I really can't think of any that are especially not any that are good i. mean I guess now misfits Halloween Music and the cramps are I guess but they're not like. They're not. They're not comedic or not intentionally ever. Right. So I I don't know I. Guess I'd have to go down dig deep for some other Halloween novelty songs I mean it's hard to top. You can't top the moths monster mash because there's no competition like, okay like again, this is supposed to be a spooky Kooky song right but it's also like it's it's definitely like made for children. We get a lot of that vibe on this. There's like you know it's got that like kindergarten cadence. I do like it's very like. I don't fully understand the appeal I'll say I really don't fully understand the appeal either I just know that. I I enjoy it. I've been I I don't remember the first time I heard the Monster Mash I think it's always been with me. You know I i. definitely heard it for the first time before I was like actively making in memory 's. And I just I never was like there's never been a time where some of the monster mash now, like really do we have to do this right? Then I feel like I feel that way about every other song that I've heard as many times over the monster mash. Also generally speaking one doesn't hear the monster mash side of October restaurants not I mean, nobody's like playing the monster. Mash in the middle of the summer he's done. So I feel like because of that because it comes but once a year you know you can get Anthony and you can get excited like Oh. Yeah. It's the Monster Mash, and then like you hear it a couple times and then and then you don't, and then it goes away again. Mercifully and I think because there's you know I'm sure there are plenty of other Halloween novelty songs in fact I know there was one even that predates the monster mash called like my meeting with drag or something I didn't listen to it but it clearly like no one gives a shit about it but because there's no other songs that really endured like the Monster Mash. It's yeah like for example, like I hate Christmas carols. Christmas songs. That to me I know but the thing is like, yeah but I think it's something to do with it. It's the only song of its kind really, and you only need to listen to it once a year and it's just well, it's just tighten well-constructed and it's in widely case like sixteen times at least. At least at least yeah I, think his voice I think his voice works The backup vocals are good and You know it's a simple little do op diddy. Dum to do we can all sit around here in praised the Monster Mash but I think we should get the nitty gritty. Of the original monster mash album and what's going on with that yeah I mean that's clearly this is number one we're going to go on to the songs, but this is the big one. So we think this would be kind of gives you a taste of what it would be like if there were a whole bunch of Monster Mash type songs, you know like imagine every Halloween, like you had to listen to this whole album I would feel differently by the monster. Album in like to date they recorded this album in two days. They conceptualize this album like on the toilet in twenty minutes. Come on dude like you know I don't I don't have any other examples of good Halloween songs. So it's like because there's like a lack of that. Then you you can't really hold it accountable I guess but like also is this really good like so I would say there's a couple of tracks we're going to get into which I think are pretty good. The ones that aren't just monster Mash rehashes a couple of them but I didn't know about this. As, you would might call them. Go ahead this next one I don't even get the reference they're doing. It's called. No me neither. Hoping you did I don't I don't know who Arabian is. It's called. Abyan the fiendish idol Oh actually i. Thank you. Yes I did learn it. Did you're right? I did find it out. Yeah. We'll talk about. So it's Fabian. It's it's a reference to Fabian was a teenage idol and this Rabian the fiend age idol okay yeah. Actually okay. Really quickly before we move on, that is one of the things about the monster mash that I was reading. Was that like? Is it a satire league? Is it intentionally like supposed to be like a commentary on like the fifties fad like fifty don's fads and like how you know they spread like wildfire where people were doing like called the fuck and mashed potato and that was like the biggest fucking coolest craze. So. There's like a little bit of that right on this song just even with the title you know Arabian and the fiendish idol fiend age idol. It's not like that clever, but it is potentially satire which I'll I'll give him a little bit of credit for definitely if again irony didn't exist in the sixties. said. satirizing. satirizing the dance trend, the trends of the time. Yeah. And they're also satirizing I think with the the stuff with DRAC and Boris. satirizing the real life rivalry between BELA LUGOSI and Boris Karloff. Oh well, either way they're satirizing all the way to the bank. So here we go. This is Rabian, the fiend age idol. This rabbit creature. Ensure. Blood. Wearing all white you plot Sokha. Let's hear him sing. Aware will think. where? I'm on. Here you're growl I want to. All right. All right. That's special. The. Whole Song had been the Werewolf Song right there I would have had something they really do I really. Do I think well, I think for me there's a lot debate about who invented punk rock where it was New, York dolls or? Death or you popper who whoever I think it was I think it was Rabi and the fiendish idol. Okay. Okay. So let's take one giant step back from that. So I honestly on some level, you're not wrong right on some level. You're not wrong. This is garage punk right and this is It's like a direct kind of lineage to Louie Louie by the kingsman with had just come out. So there was an article that I read the author Lindsay. Beheira, and the article was saying. So around the time, Monster, Mash was released garage rock was starting to emerge from the Pacific Northwest Tacoma based. Band. The wailers released a cover of Richard Berry's nineteen seven single Louis Louis. Yeah. So obviously and then the kingsman released it nineteen sixty three which became an anthem for garage. Bot Rock embodying the iconic use of guitar distortion and on refined singing. So they were kind of saying that like Rabian. Is like a you know a send up of that of garage rock of the early era of garage rock just going Yay aware wall, which also definitely sounded like they got somebody like outside of the station and Summer Do those local I. Also, it's it's. It's so many references that are so old it's impossible to track because I feel like they're also maybe sending out Wolfman Jack the radio personality it's possible I'm not sure when he was on the air but yeah, that's that's that's possible too but it is clear that Rabian. A reference to Fabian who was a you know inoffensive you know cute guy with a pompadour from that era who was recruited to be like a idol and so you know they're they're making fun of that. So. Garage Rock Voice. Wolf, he's not yeah I don't. You know what Mike it's almost like they fucking wrote the song and fucking wrote the Song Twenty Minute Minnesota. Napkin. Like you know but it's like so if would weird AL exist if not for the monster mash like. That was discovered by Doctor Demento who was huge on Bobby Pickett's. Only guy who played any songs Bobby Pickett made after the Monster Mash which Oh man we didn't even get into that. Did you guys know about the songs that he put out after the monster? Monster Up Oh, do you? Don't know if I know a lot about that guess what we're GonNa do it right now We're listening to it right now. So there were actually several several. remixes. That Bobby Pickett I mean as he said himself this, the one song of the Monster Mash paid his rent for basically his entire life. So he has been unashamedly you know milking this forever and like good for him but that has you know. Consequences, and some of the consequences are like you know some of the. Some of the songs that he put out afterwards to try to capitalize on the Monster Mash, and like we said before he was very successful. You know he they charted the monster. Mash itself charted three times in three different decades and his other songs You know not so much. But they at least got play on the doctor Demento show and like nothing else e he made like one about. Climate. Change. Monsters slash the monster slash and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA die without undue So this one is the monster rap that he put out capitalizing on the the hip hop craze. Ninety eight five. With outer space. Police. Lab. The money body, talk them all the. Body? Body? Chocolate. Boys now rather more. Brain now. Bound. SMART Alvin Daddy's. So this is where we start to explore the sub dom relationship of. Signs Monster Right. Okay. So trying to speak, but it's the only way he can. Gore's idea because ego goes DJ. School. Teach him, how to rap It'd be easier than teaching him to speak. Yes. So much easier than speaking. That's it. Yeah. That's what I've learned. To these though and you know you gotta admire the. This is high camp and I love it. I'm. Not. Quite enjoy the monster APP. Frankenstein's monster sound like kid rock kind of. Bobby she's. The first known kid rock recording. Like Bobby Steele the rapper Bobby Am. Secretly begin in. Might actually we get Okay and then we mentioned the monster slash. So we know that our dude, you know, honestly in line with the Somerville Massachusetts Demographics is a liberal and He did not approve of George W Bush and he did not approve of his environmental record. So he put out a song called the monster slash. In two thousand and four telling people. I'm definitely playing God. Hiking in the forest late, one night when I as be held. Site, our president appeared and can Joe Frown then he his friend who's Cup of Forest Dr? Did the forest slash. It was brutally Barasch. Not as good as the monster APP known yeah definitely. Thought I'm actually surprised that that that's his own parody of his own song. You would've thought that was like somebody else's weird. No entity of of of the song. And he was just cashing in on himself. This whole damn time which I to keep the lights on all these right yeah I know did he ever get a job? Yeah. No. I don't think I think he's just he's still the usher at the Somerville? Theatre to this day. Who He died in two thousand, seven recipes I can't believe you just add a two extra songs I'm so sorry. We shared. Let's. Yeah let's do two at a time. We get the blood bank blues followed by the Graveyard Shift. Every single song on this album is just a dumb pun. I would say you know what it reminds me of. The soldier boy album I guess I agree every song is kind of just a reference to the original hit. Yep. Yep Absolutely. What it is. Yeah for sure. All right. So here we go. We're going to do blood bank blues followed by. Graveyard shift. Here we go. Pain. Allah. The caller. Mix. This Just mind him meet new. Rate. And the graveyard shift. Move on this. On. vk. Craved. Odd. Castle. Both these songs do they do they groove? While we grew at precisely the same beats per minute as at every single fucking song. So let's just rock in in the in the early sixties wasn't right. Yeah. No totally was pretty by the numbers. You know the the kind of. Rigidly. If, you if you strayed too much from that, those BPM's are the certain Chord progressions. It would not be considered rock anymore it was stray into rhythm and blues or or something else. It was weird. You know it music was still. Rock and roll especially but music in general was still being like. I don't know. It's still there are still feeling out like what exactly all of these new things were right and then running it into the ground as they did. That's that's the thing it's like you know I don't know. So the song is about like a sad sack DRAC getting like cut off at the blood bank bar. So He's you know he's in he's desperate for a second hand blood. He you know he he says at one point you can keep that fillet at the top of your arm that is just my meet what? Solid Here we go. What's your take? Wiley available. So here Bobby Boris Pickett kind of shifts over to this whole song seem to be in the in the DRAC. Bola Goshi Persona. But it's it's not really a good song. No, it's not good. He wasn't. All. Right. And this was talking about earlier with the Lord of this because there's a lot going on here. In. Terms of narrative. In, both songs no doubt. For, example in blood bank. Track drag mention that he's been staked and I think this is the first instance where you you know we see how deep the the the rivalry goes with him aboard. I think it implies that he was staked by Boris and I think that in the graveyard shift song, there's all kinds of crazy shit going on eager. EBOR and. Boris in Dracula they all own funeral plot together. Eager needs to work the graveyard shift even though he wants to work the night shift with track because that's the difference between a graveyard shift in the night shift graveyard shift is like. Dusk like early early morning like from like And and the night shift is you know sundown to like two am or something all right but you know he wants to hang out there for the night shift because that's when all the all the dead riots in their graves and start to dance the Monster Mash Oh. But. You know basically an and Boris tells him look you have to work the graveyard shift. We need to have full shift twenty, four hour shifts at grieve yard because there's so many bodies coming in that we need to keep digging digging new graves for them. So there's so many bodies coming in. This is clearly a sort of like I am legend or like Flom, bloodborne some. Of this album. And I think it's it's really interesting to think about like what is it? What's what's going? What's really going on? Between these characters here. What is really going on? Some. Deep character development there. Oh Yeah. I mean I also says the Egos failed his vampire test which I don't even know where to begin with it doesn't make any fucking sense what is the vampire test and yours is supposed to mean yours like. He's he's. DACHSHUND. He's. Tabled? Man. God. By today's. That's true. That is just a man with. A disability yeah. He does ask for a back brace later on in the album. You know he's just got a little bit of a hump either way it doesn't matter It's just everything is the same song so we'll just like us. We'll just get that out of the way here. Every song is the fucking same really sorry because I think you know Arabian is the only one that I can remember going. All right. Well, different things. The saxophone does a different thing in every. Song Long. The drill you're right. It is. On the entire album come on. I'll like also the lyrics are pretty bullshit like it's pretty embarrassing like he goes in blood bank blues says, I got the streaks my wing membrane aches what it. What is that like? What are you talking about? Some weird word choices like Says who who's the boss of the local Red Cross. I'd like to know his name. If he just. If he just can't give a heck. I'll put the bag to his neck the bite to his of bites. Okay. That makes more sense. But even even that I'll put the bite to your neck like lose. What what does that mean it? Yeah it's. You hate comedy music how do you defend this? Like I don't understand I wouldn't say I'm defending it I just think I'm trying to explore what's really happening here. So what do you think is really happening here with these characters I, think it's a fucking weird sex thing. And I, think we're going to get into this. I mean okay. First of all vampires weird sex thing. Always a weird sex thing like. Anne Rice. Weird sex shit twilight weird sexual like all of it. Weird sex shit. I didn't watch true blood but I assume, right? Oh, every scene was every other scene was a sexy. Okay. So that's what I'm saying. So like Vampires. Always them will. Yeah. So they're they're into like you know it's it's a and I'm not here again I'm not here to king shame but there is some like You know locking people up with chains, and then there's some like you know. I don't know like all these all these teenage ghouls getting hysterical and and and you know dancing the forbidden dance and feeling the forbidden feelings like it is very You know of its era but also like I mean like what is eager doing in this situation like is eager like consenting is like what's happening? Yours definitely. You know he's he's a sub for sure. He says, yes, he says, yes, he says, yes. As man. Okay well okay. But no I mean I think it's it's just interesting like people are clearly dying en masse, right? That's true. Yep. Perhaps there's some sort of global pandemic alpern or something. But they're filling up the graveyards but. The dead rise every night everyone rises from the grave every night and dances and dances. That's all they're there to do I guess and these two characters DRAC and Boris are engaged in a sort of. Friendly rivalry in which they both want to invent the best dance for the corpses to do Is it a friendly rivalry is at a dance to the death there under armor. The. Is Not dead. So I don't know it's a little up in the air or maybe they didn't fucking think through. To the level that we did. Some some hocus POCUS hooey. I appreciate that I mean this is literally our job is like find something where there's nothing and and truly folks there's very little here I mean the graveyard shift and blood bank blues there's we're not breaking any ground here we might be breakings the surface of the flesh. In the graveyard, the right bodies and that. That to also. Counts for sure Yeah. Look look I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to defend these songs is good but I think if a have to listen to this. I want to. Get I I gotTA I. GotTa. Try to piece together a cohesive narrative. Well, we're all desperately trying to do that. We move onto the next to. scully gully and Wolf Bain Yeah, we'll get into that. Here we go. This is those songs. Homelessness. them all. Home. scully. Skull legally into. His clothes on continental in hidden spots. and. What could cat with growth on his feet? He misses all the parties. Really wants to. People. Those are the same song. So the the first scully gully is is a riff on the Olympics one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, hit. hully gully. No. Really all right I'm glad we have you. Never caught that one. So that's that's what's I. Think almost all these songs are riff off something else some of them aren't some of them just aren't but that one is that one's a scalise riff on on hully gully. Okay I wonder who? I say I really liked the. The the backup singers on both of these songs. These great absolutely I. think that's the highlight of the album. Is Anything those backup singers do Kinda. Kinda. sleighs well. Yeah. I mean it's it's it's literally like the dressing on the salad like otherwise it's just fucking dry as lettuce like this shit is the same exact fucking song over and over and over and over again with various different compositions of saxophone. But that's that's it. I mean or sometimes it's a harmonica like the beat is always the same. You know the delivery is always same. He has the same exact cadence on the entire fucking album and a yeah like scully gully even if it's a fucking reference mellow song like what does that mean? What is hully gully mean I I don't know. Now. Don't really contribute to the lower in my opinion I think that there there's just an they're just a nice couple of Nice little call and response. Standards and that's all it is is just standard compositions with spooky. pastiche lyrics. Backing vocals though I I actually the backing vocals are pretty good here and they kind of remind me of. Names Lou, Lou Phillips or my Blue Diamond Philip. Lou Christie Lou Christie I'm sorry I'm getting I'm crossing my streams here between bad music and bad movies. And I mistook Lou Diamond Phillips. Lou Christie do lightening striking again. That's Kind of doo-wop. fucking. Klaus Nomi Klaus nomi covered. By. The. Getty. Isa Coming. Up on space look for you. I don't understand this reference. So lightening striking again, like the sixties kind of do up was actually think came after. After this album that's from sixty five. This is before that. Yeah. Yeah. This is before a lot of things and I think that's like I sorta temper my criticism knowing that. Because it's just Like Heather, you're Abloh. You're absolutely right that every song on this album is like exactly the same. Yeah. But I just feel like that's what you're going to get with any rock and roll album from nineteen, sixty two well. Albums was like, little, Richard. I'm sorry little Richard's great but he I mean they're still playing within the Fran. Praying the twelve blues but not every song sounds the fucking same. scully gully sounds exactly like the monster. Sounds exactly like Wolfman. They're both exactly identical. Those two songs are identical one after another. All right thank. With this was written in two hours I mean it's very clear like over I lied a little bit of the beginning. It was like over the course of two days but was recorded in two hours either way it doesn't. It doesn't matter. You know it was it was just a shameless. It was like William Hong putting out an album. which he did and we will do on a future episode but. What's his name guy? American idol is she bangs. Banks got. A classic moment in American history. All right. I mean I will say it's a lot more fun talking about this album than it was talking about fucking Marilyn Manson last year's how. I didn't know when we recorded that at the beginning of that episode. A sexual abuser on the came to light over the course of the episode and I was like shocked shocked I say Exactly. I don't think bobby pick it was. So we don't have to worry about any of those types of surprises this time around and I. do appreciate that Annie's hometown hero and you know and you're right it was the sixties. But again, there were other songs that sounded like this and they were before this. One of the songs he when did this come out sixty two? Okay. So this was the same year as a locomotion which also half of these songs on Lake. So one of them is a direct. We'll get into that but. Wolf pain I don't know What chick would dig a cat with growth on his feet. The. fungibility of a Wolfman is not something I wanted to be concerned with right now to be artist actually. Because they're trying to the they want market. Rabian you know they want to comb his hair into roken banks Rabi and like rabies that's Oh I get it. Now he's I thought it was I thought I was worried. Racial. Now, Arabian this actually a no I think it's rabies but Fabian. So it's like a teen idol but that. And Snow. Did crack it open I did crack the code I was just remembering the time that you dressed up as the Wolfman for Halloween and you all dressed up as a monster bash you and Alex and my husband and you know. Our other friends all dressed up as the monster mash for Halloween one year. How how are the growths on your feet? died in I I just wore sneakers. Trust. US actually did have hair everywhere I did I did put Herrell of my face and my hands and some makeup in a fake knows it was I I I think I went way harder than all the rest of the Monster Mash but you kind of have to if you're the Wolfman. There's a lot about the Wolfman, on this. fucking. So. House. He's one of the classic universal monsters I'm surprised there's no creature from the Black Lagoon Song. Yeah. That's true. Opportunity for sure. That could have been the next Monster Mash. You. Could have really dragged. Exactly there was one note in the Wolf Bain lyrics I just wanted to draw attention to Let's see a mangled carcass is always found and then dot dot dot he's really not vicious just wants to play like it's not as folly gets carried away and so do they. So that's the lyric. I don't know that's a big old eggs for me wolf if if if a man. Wolf or otherwise is attacking you and leaving you as a carcass Possibly, they're not trying to play. They're just hurting you and you should get away. You know he didn't mean to mangle your carcass. He just have a little temper when he's drinking and it's fine. He didn't mean my pit bull is a sweetheart and he would never. Dude. Late, trying to say. Just put down dangerous dogs. I mean this is a wolf who's literally tagging and mingling leibels carcasses like Bush. Yeah. If you're in if you're in a relationship with that, like you got to be concerned like and then and then he's got the line. So if you oh, go ahead. No means. So if you go parking in lovers lane, make sure you have a good supply of Rape Wolf Bay and so that is a direct kind of abstinence only sex education. Oh Yeah you're right. Yeah. Like you know a nice wolf panic that. Stop. Fuck Angle, because you know in the old movies when the kids fuck, that's when they get killed by the monster. So really, yes, he he's drawing attention to that trope but I, think he may be right that it's also. It's also some Nice. You know turn to the fifties and sixties moralism. Totally. Yeah. I mean come on. It's it's Spooky Pat Boone. Like. I'm sorry like are we gonNA pretend that it's not? Fair this fear it is what you know look. There's a lot to dislike about this, but I can't deny the groove. Can't another group in the backing vocals you gotta give it that well, we didn't give kid rock credit for the backing vocals deadly will they were good? Well, they were it was a Black Gospel Choir. I'm young but it wasn't good. It was a Black Gospel Choir was good kid rock was not good. The Black Gospel Choir on the kid rock album was sounded good. Not as good as. Will. Oh My. We. That's racist thing we've ever sat up. There you're saying that Hey Is better than the fucking. You don't even know for sure that that was a black choir was they were pictured on the fucking cover the album the album cover thought was just a black just no. Picture of him on the back of it where it's just him surrounded by black women with Afros. Well. Either way they were in his entourage. Okay I'm the racist. You win either way. I mean. We'll see we'll kid rock is a racist let's not get any. Of. That and yeah, I'm sorry that I didn't give enough credit to the choir on his album giving too much credit to the backup singers on this album but I like this better than the kid rock album. I. I do too. But if the only thing that you're crediting is the backing vocals like come on it's not the only thing I'm in the groovy the band. Spooky, groove. All right. Well, let's let's keep going with some spooky grooves here. I. Think. Perhaps. We should take a break. Yeah, we're about at the halfway point. Let's take a break. All right. It's Heather podcast that you already listening to make it stock and as much as we hate to interrupt. 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Where we listen to the worst music ever Made Avenue Dot Com keyword bad music. so WE HAVE THE MONSTER MINUET? Followed by the Transylvania twist your. Arm. By Failing. Pellet is nonetheless. Pleasure, his MINUET conscious called. Good odd leisure dancing that you. Lost you thing. I'm by suppose you think you walk cuts and Not Typically me but at least I don't sack couch all day like you. Are Good you you too busy cutting of corpses with your ugly. Even, life. For God's stupid. All right. So this is where you get into that. You know that little sibling rivalry here between Dracula and doctor Dr. Frankenstein I. Think for some reason they have like a really weird kind of like. Well it's actually perfect because there is some Thomas, the tank engine Railroad Horn in Transylvania twist. So this is actually just like an added you know aesthetic choice that we're making from recording. This is just more fully work. Yeah. It's just more fully work Burma Yeah we definitely planned that yes. What's your take on this Mike? Well, Monster MINUET I'd say more like monster misogyny. Just a couple of pickup artists just peacocking. Just. Impeccable. pey You a techniques employed just weird more weird. Lore. Boris Slash Dr Frankenstein. He tries to dance with a woman named Countess Alec Hard. Who you would expect would be somehow related to. His name backwards. But apparently not and then Dracula's like Hey I want a dancer, those ladies and Dr Frankenstein's like those old. The Gu's. Because they use girls and ghouls interchangeably on this on this album either way it's still misogynous. Ray. Women. These two. I mean what I gather is like there's this this party going on and these two guys who? are like super cool but are so. Wrapped up in their own weird rivalry that they're just kinda be wallflowers and watching like, no one's GonNa see these two guys bickering and be like I want to get some of that. dude, and it's like every single thing like these two songs are not songs I that's Is Not even a song either as translators West Susic. Translating Twist Has Music Monster minuet though is just is just some weird like. Character, impersonation jangling their keys loudly yes. Even. Song. Translated twists has got some got some ZIP to it. It's like an instrumental. You're supposed to dance the TRANSYLVANIA twist to it again, they don't explain. How we don't know how. But then there's also the twist. Good is a little sad we used glue. A little referential to the the titular, Monster Mash or do the doering public that is just ease eagerly ready to gobble all this fucking king flesh up apparently. If you listen to the original song to the Monster Mash, macular comes on and he says. And whereas my Transylvania twist. And Boris tells him it's now the Mash. Now the Monster Mash. So he has usurped this dance, the Dracula invented, of course, and turned it into his own more popular dance. But I'M GLAD THAT DRACULA FOUND IT I think even the beginning of the song he says, there it is. This might Transylvania twist. We're we're where he was hitting away by by Boris but. He found it the good for good for him because nothing else is happening like at all whatsoever leg, we literally just have zero lyrics and like at the end it goes it's a raw. It's telling not showing what I would say is the definition of this whole fucking hell is like this is great news gaw and I'm like, no, it's not but here we are. It's the most downloaded song for Halloween ever. So yeah. We just need to create. Make US stop needs to like drop a record like a hit Halloween record. Sure. Yeah. We could do the next monster mash. karloff impression. Yeah, great intro. Let's let's do it. Stop US send. US Senator Lyrics send us your suggestions will were ready I mean dudes dead. So it's not like we're taking food out of his. Corporate ripped off from someone else. Anyway. Exactly. So it's just more. It's the historical, right? It's our privileged privilege. But yeah, the Transylvania. Twist this some real love in go dancer style like I can just see the tattered cocktail dresses swaying the camera zooming medically in and out. And it's you know. It's just a piece of sixties swinging. A ROCK Near bad is. There like the terrible skits on a hip hop album and even like the fucking. Monster MINUET I. Don't think I played it but I can play the the part of the clip where he goes like. where it's like, it's like the inspiration for Ken Ken if. It's hard to keep track like the keep bringing in these these side characters like I guess Frankenstein's monster has been there the whole time he pops in a couple of times in these tracks, but you don't hear too much from him. Well Yeah I think. To be seen and not heard I think this whole thing is sort of supposed to take place in the graveyard during the castle Oh. Yeah I. Guess The MINUIT's The castle. So there's a graveyard on the grounds of the cast. Hey, there's this big party going on with all the dead and all have a graveyard at your castle if everybody's on dead and partying anyway. spookier. Castle gravy Okay Okay Okay Cool Yay. The entire community was built around the castle. So right like in the in the old yeah. Not the Sigli leave but you know the the fifteen, hundred zero dogging here we haven't established when this album is set. Okay. Okay well. It's interesting to like. I'm just trying to picture my head like what is what's the scenario? What's the? What's scene is being set over the course the Salman I think it's just a big party where these two guys are just like bickering. And like just obsessed with. It's really it's like step up to the streets. Is this you got served but in. In monster musical form. That's the narrative. EPIC UNIDAD DANCE BATTLE Wow. I love it. But that would have sounded that would have been so much cooler that just doing the same song over and over again for sixteen songs or just like having these league absolutely pointless like extended skit interludes. Again he wanted to be a voice actor everyone wanted to be an actor whatever but Yeah. I don't know it's not good. It's not good is what I will say I also don't understand Boris's being such a Dick. Yeah Boris is just a man what isn't drag simply drain him of all his life force. It's true. That's a good point. Then not he's not a member of the Annette Club right. Yeah. Actually you know if you actually read the Dracula Book Though Dracula's week to like two dozen things, it's so easy to get out of a room just pull out across. Some. Garlic garlic some holy water like there's any number of things you can do to just. Get Out of here. Good Outta here. This fly out the window, right? Yeah. Protects the women. That's the whole book if you haven't read. Dracula, that's the whole book. Should we move onto the next to here? Yeah. All right. So we're going to go onto the next year. This next one is called the sinister stomp followed by me and my mummy, you get it. It's weird. We'll get into it. Here we go. GROOVE y'all. Night by trip on the audion got quite talk. As my face cited, my anger grew by proceeded to amply. Sean Shall I. It's mine. All Mine. My Google's in lock. Up in. Five. Days. So gave. Up on Andrew Term Crop. Blue Brigade. Now That's enough. Let's go. Let's start with the sinister stop the monster. Mash again. It is the Monster Mash but with one distinct definition, which is who the fuck is gone. Ish I dunno keeps talking about. This is. This. Is this a long forgotten universal's monster that only bobby remembers? It doesn't make any sense like how do you spell it like Yaish so this just in your new is the character that karloff played Boris karloff played in the nineteen thirty, six, film ninety, three to six on the invisible ray. Probably. Mad Scientists have source of actually haven't seen another one of those universal horror monster films and I haven't haven't seen that one. On that's that's who Janos she's Oh. Spelled Y N O S Yeah it was just. Fate The ray of actually speaking of which you know we kind of alluded to like the spooky like creature feature like drive in vibe of this album. But did you know that there was a movie called Frankenstein sings that was made based around this book album like there's a monster mash, there's a monster mash movie not just Frankenstein sings. Monster Mash Mosey the. Frankenstein Sing Oh. That's right. That's the that's the actual title. Watch it. Yeah. It's I. WE could watch it. Yeah. This is actually Widely as part of disaster cedar, we watched terrible movies together. That would be a really good one. Well you know we'll try. So it's basically and also that that whole that whole movie like the one thing that I did find about it is that it's the entire plot of rocky horror except with less like overt sex stuff doesn't it isn't it based on a play that? Bobby Pickett wrote yes rebates rocky horror though yeah. Yeah. That's that's what I'm saying it rocky horror or came out in like this early seven was at one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven. was Mid Seventies. Five is nineteen seventy five. So is when rocky horror came out, but the plot of Frankenstein seeings was literally rocky horror like we'll know. Teenagers have car trouble near Castle Frankenstein on all hallows Eve they're greeted by reluctant ebor which who's the Gore in Frankenstein what's his name? Fuck. Rocky horror I mean in rocky horror You know who? I'm talking about I've only I gotta be honest I'm not a big rocky horror. I'm sorry. Oh, come on the monster. Mash any day. Do you know you're wrong? No riffraff riffraff eager in in rocky horror and So you know eager like greet some and Bobby Pickett playing Dr Frankenstein. So this gets even more deep into the psychology of this album. So Bobby Pickett obviously considered himself to be the Dr Frankenstein in this scenario. So WHO IS DRACULA? That's what I'm wondering also. Know like WHO IS HIS DRACULA THAT HE'S GETTING? You know that he's talking all that shit was this distract was this like you know like he was clearly like feeling this competition Bela Lugosi. It's a clear impersonation of Bela Lugosi, and I think even in the songs I think it switches back between DRAC and Bella couple of times. Yeah and again like you know Bela Lugosi and Boris. Karloff. Warlike. The two biggest names in horror throughout the entire classic golden age of. Hollywood horror movies and they they had a professional rivalry and I think. Like I really think you know as much. This album sucks it is I do kind of enjoy like. Just. Hearing, pick it like nerd out. He's clearly obsessed with these old movies and he's trying to work many references. Here. So we're talking about pickets. Film Frankenstein sings where the two teenagers stop at the House, and so that's that's kind of a rip off of the universal film, the Old Dark House. where, people have car trouble and they have to stop at Y- an old dark house for the. Isn't it? Also the plot of Manno hands of hey I mean it's the plot of many films. Yeah probably probably the dark the old dark house is probably predated by something, but that's sort of the that's sort of the horror film that Karloff might even be in old dark house. If I'm not mistaken, it was made in the thirty S I'm sure he was. So I guess. So you're saying like he was inhabiting the like Real Life Dynamics of these actors and I was just wondering if there was like an allegory even within the allegory where he fancied himself, you know the Boris Karloff and somebody else as fucking Bela Lugosi like did a big rivalry. At a real life rival the he was doing a subliminal. Yeah. This is to sub tweeting. He was he was seven. Yeah. In, more ways than one. He's certainly something my mummy. Mummy. Little Boris going on. Well. Yeah. Let's go on. Let's talk about that. So first of all, it's earth angel. Having, sex with money mummy so That's that's that. I. Fell in love with this hideous sight, how could it happen? How could it be? It's just me and my mummy mummy and me, and then he says he talks about at the base of the pyramid. She gave me a smile decayed flesh. I did see. All right. Okay. Well, you know. fucking mummy I he wants to fuck a mummy is what is is clear That's what he I mean. Frankenstein's monster is all about resurrecting cadavers. So is is Frankenstein just a sex doll discuss? Can Be. It's hard. He's hard to pin down though isn't he? Well? He's on the slab I mean he he's. He's not. He's pinned down chill his electrode goes inside of him. All right. That's true. Come on Dude electrode. All, this shit and you window all the should've psycho-sexual frank sign the original book, the Mary Shelley Story like certainly there's a lot of that kind of stuff going on but I'm just curious why he felt like. What did he need to? Call it me and my mummy because it does now it makes you think that he's Like it's a, it's a play on me and my mommy. What's a little creature feature bat in says Buki. NECROPHILIA. All wrapped up all wrapped up in. Dresses it up this like sweet. Do Track, but in bandages so to speak, and in fact, at the end, he says, they're both covered in bandages. So did she make him a mummy? Like through some magic powers fucking him or was he also a mummy the whole time is he playing a different character in the song that is a mummy or is gangrene contagious? Ultimate SD when you fuck fuck and Mommy and you become one. Dearest. Don't feel I could say Terry none of this is sanitary or seen say this fucking weird where we get in this weird sex shit it might have all been weird sex shit. Who knows it was the sixties you can say weird sex shit. So you had to couch it in these book in you know Yeah I mean horrid general is about it's about domination. Yeah. Just. SORT. Of of of being victimized, right. A I don't think he's intentionally trying to be sex creep on this album but I don't I just think unlike. Marilyn. Manson. Very intensely being sex treat both on the album and. For share But I think if you're if you're dealing with these themes and and and you know playing with these tropes that you see, it's GonNa Happen you avoid the weird psycho sexual connotations. Yeah so okay how he's got definitely a mummy complex is is four shore. He's in a mummy. Dumb. I guess is really all you need to say. Oh Yeah we we cracked the code. I guess. Yeah. There's only there's the binary of womanhood which is. To mummy. Mummy. Madonna whore complex we have the ghoul mummy Combo. Let's. Either way you can't win. And you're rotting so. It's fucking weird dude it's weird. It's weird shit and but at least as interesting as opposed to the next two songs here, which are the same fucking Song we've heard a thousand times before. Let's listen. Okay. Here we go. This is monster motion followed by Monster Mash Party. Mode. that. He's book. Guys. Is Done skull demands. Oh. Let's from being my mom's. Connects. The. On The. Run. So then Chris. Ask You you love. So it gets weird sexy again doesn't it with the Monster Mash party he's. Just wants. Mash. Let's and then out take your chains off later. Is Definitely, definitely some some Gigi she causes. Monster SEX PARTY Some months dot orgy I guess is what it is. Yeah. They're all dead. They're on cadavers are all made out of holes anyways. So who cares right like whatever you many more holes choose from home anymore? Your words I did want to say I retract them. Put every song on this album is crocodile rock would be movie fully bad voice acting this does lose the monster motion obviously obviously locomotion, right? That's not yes. For. came out in nineteen, sixty, two by the. Party though is, is the single as the B side single the monster mash I feel like that's important. I can't even call them on a song though. That's not that's not a song. I'll defend some of the songs in this album but that one that one's not even a song to defend, it's just it's just noses, which is embarrassing as fuck because that was the second single and it just goes to show you how little they prepared for this to be a hit because that's a whole thing. So this was tossed off his fuck I mean this was literally like scrambling to try to not just capture late like you know have lightning strike twice but also like literally competing with this other album that was coming out. And just like stealing the name and it was it's like if somebody else put out that soldier boy. Say. It was like this is actually the soldier boy well. have. Watched me crank my Batman Yeah. I think Monster Mash Party is meant to be. the setting of the Song Monster Mash Right. He's hardy right joined the Monster Mash. He's describing this party. He's telling the story of the monster of when he was there at the mash. But the Monster Mash Party it puts you right there and media res-. What afraid it's like the part of the sweater song like between the chorus and the verse where it's just the kind of the guy at the party like talking to people. Oh Yeah. That's the Monster Mash Party. Okay. Okay. Well, that's literally all it is not a song. The frustrating thing is there's so much expansion on the lower. But Here's is operatives golden opportunity. He's at the monster. Mash Party. You can finally tell us provide instructions on how to do the Monster Mash and he he doesn't. You never get those instructions. There's no instructions. No. and. There's no like youtube craze to be able to follow along with the song to be able to demonstrate with the with the motions are i. i. was having a hard time. So all of these songs you can't find the lyrics for them. So you have to just accept for the Monster Mash obviously. So you have to like really like try to listen hard. There's one part where he says like e Gordon, you fool be a little more cool. You just about stepped on my bathing. My Wing. That's the Bela Lugosi impression. Just, about stopped wing, there's a lot of references to Dracula's wings at the. GO-TO. The The Wolf Man's tail and stuff it's like, okay. What do we know about these characters? Okay. Dracula where's a Cape and drinks blood Wolfman has hair. Mummy. is M- both my mom and my sex object and Decaying Cadaver. You know what do we know about Yaish here's John Very. Little. The Genesis of Yaish I in the in the. Of of this album, this is this is this is the start of. Later referenced again in that track that we heard before, but this is the start of Yaish. Yanni Shin For a feature on the monster out. Yeah. It was the ray it was the invisible ray. Going from there, it's a little piece of Trivia Leon Russell. Played Piano One Monster Mash Party. And who's the Russell he's like he's like a famous. You Know Country Country Blues Pop. Musician who made house? Yeah. He made it real music. He had like a really illustrious career like gold record, his own career in his own right. But he also played he's like a studio session guy who played with like Bob Dylan Eric Clapton Willie, Nelson, George Harrison Neil young like all all. wrote, he wrote a lot of songs Joe Cocker. Who Joe Cocker I think didn't write any of his own music but he got by with a little help from friend. He's he sure That actually that reminds me that I learned. There is a great episode of a great podcast that I love very much punch the I'm sure all of our sobs know about it they're really great and they have an episode about the Monster Mash and I learned that the director of that Monster Mash movie we all went on to direct toy story. I read that is that true or do they do their own like remake version of it? No, it's true and then you. Yeah, and it's so crazy crazy and also like Bruce Almighty and like some other fucking movies like he was like. Pixar. I don't I. Don't know when he was a director. For you know legit Shit. which you know is fine I mean there's a lot of very legitimate people like a very talented people like hovering around the fringes of this elements. Of course Leach Men Leon Russell and. I don't know maybe that's it. That's it. Guy. WHO Director Toy Story. Of. Talent and then you get this kid from some of all this is coming hours. Right I do his best. That's how the guys from Somerville. Sound like at the TC. Full solvable you say it like that. Some. Some will. Anyway. Somerville Theatre shout out to the East we should. We should dedicate this episode to them and you should donate to them so that they survive. Nothing. Will because we would not have the monster mash if not for someone real theater. Reason to donate the only reasonable more reason. Do you need? I just wanted to reflect on how? How much this the whole Bobby Pickett story kind of just encapsulates how weird fame was in the early sixty s and the music industry as a whole right like how the industries are still so young and it just allowed for stuff like this to happen yes and I feel like there were like two periods where. You had that and I feel like it was like the early. Maybe like three periods there's there's it comes in waves of like a new technologies introduced that makes it cheaper makes access easier for people to get in, and then you get all of this weird. Shit independently produced amd. Xian you. GotTa. You. Gotta Edward Days in the fifties. You got you know up into this. This is probably the tail end of that. Yeah. Then you got it again in the eighties with VHS and and video technology and then the. Late nineties early, two thousands of the intra with the Internet yeah right. Yeah. But. This was kind of the first time you had. I I'm not even the first time but just at this time like fame would it took to become famous? was just you could actually just like luck into it. Well. Yeah. I mean literally like, Fabian I did do a little bit of research on on Fabien Rabian? who was literally just a teenager who lived across from across the street from a record company executive who was like, Hey, if you. Put a pompadour on your head. You'll be a star and that's literally at and it worked. It did slow. So if you're white and good-looking that it was, you know the wheels were greased, there were just way less people trying to make back then. So if you put in the minimal effort, you might just end up being Bobby Pickett and having your rent paid for the rest of your life off of one song right The songs from black people and then you record them and then. Make. A lot of money off of them. You could do that too. I mean look. Sure. That's not what bobby though no, it's not what bobby did. He stole it from like the the movies he was like you know. And from people he was in Korea with. Yeah. Yeah he was using Korea actually. Didn't he say there was I think there's one quote about his time and You're in Korea what did he say? Yeah, he. He was on his way back from a year and a half tour in Korea. On the ship he came back on, they were putting together show quote there were these three or four black guys who were singing doo-wop acapella stuff and they needed a bass baritone. So I became a member of that group. So on the one hand, it's like, okay, you're just kind of like stealing black culture but then at the other hand, you're white person who was down in fucking sing was obliged people at that time so. If you don't vote for him. You Ain't black. You heard it here first. stubby. Please vote for him though please Scott Sorry. Rob Group or was he just around the culture confusing this with like that? That story line from the Simpsons? Confusing it with that storyline from that one episode of it's always sunny. Okay. Do Group together. Yeah. G. Is that has nothing to do with any of these songs. All right we got two more. This is ego or followed by bells bash. Here we go. To. CNN. and. All. These. One. Near is this Herbal Eagle. Eagle Hang Line they don't bring. US and allied. His jealousy is widely. Doesn't take. Gone. All night canoes come on. Let's Unequal. Leave those electrodes. owner. took. New. That's becoming fad. All right. This is some some real funny There's a couple of real funny twists the Lore. Going on here, K. years this will eager. So Ego are apparently Is a heartthrob to the ghouls zombies Zombie Babes. The Virgin Boris in the Chatty Gore? It really puts it puts into You know the bickering with track in the months MINUET and a new perspective. That like they're actually just these two soya boy Beta cooks. A. Bickering like Oh. Yeah. I'M GONNA go. fucker owner here. Actually I'm going to dig up grave I'M GONNA DIG UP Agree. And then meanwhile, Egos just cleaning up. Yeah left right. Fuck, man. Yeah he you know in his nightly bodysnatching, he alone holds the key to the hearts of female zombies. They love him more than all I don't know how that around forest just this this this. This is about Boris. How Boris really truly feels about eager. His. subbed his slave. Yeah. is it like a Nexium vibe? It's like all right. So it's like it's the only way he can profess his love for eager is by da-ming him. But he's not really even dumbing him. He's. He's. He's he's saying that his face has gone to pot. Yeah but. It doesn't matter getting all the he's getting all the tail. Well, he left his off. Trim. It led to string of broken hearts which. Is. Still. Have Hearts. That doesn't. Sense. Brains well, how can they break then that point? Oh, they have hearts. Okay. Yeah. It's just you know just a non-functioning piece of rotting meat inside their body, but it's there. You know ego or does seem like the Alpha. you know they give the the give the line he leaves the girls all crying. He doesn't really care which like he's a fucking Dick he's he's a piece of Shit I. mean he digs graves like presumably fucking corpse and then like leaves them crying is that cool? Sounds not very it's not. You know that's that's the Chad Way. Okay. Well, you know. Bellas Bash sounds different than the other songs on the album. Okay. You gotta give it that if I knew something about music I'd I'd be able to to analyze it a bit but it sounds like Some kind of like it's not like. Like some. Losers, Walter it sounds like some New Orleans style. Blues. Or New Orleans New Orleans style like their some Tin Pan Alley type Shit I've heard the term twelve bar blues I know if that's that I don't know anything about you know. tin tenant. Didn't. Okay Yeah you're right. Yeah. It's three chords. It's a one four five. Progression. If I, have anything else to say but I do appreciate Oh actually I do I have a big thing to say. In Bellas Bash Dracula actually tells you how to do his dance. Yeah. reline he's been talking about the whole time that he wants to do a dance to to one up the monster mash dances better than the monster mash and and unlike at the beginning of the song I'm like why is Bor is going to this party of his rivals house but you find out he's going there to see what the deal with this new Dan you suck as got served and then Lo and behold though how do the dance you gotta? You gotta fly up into the air and then shake your wing to the right and shake your wings left and nobody else can do. You can't do that and. At the end he's like, no one's going to do this bull shoots. People constitutional dance it will never be better the monster man. And it's like damn that's the climax of the. There IT IS YEAH DRACULA'S TRYING TO BE TRICKY over here. He's trying to show off and it's like, fuck you fuck you dog keep a simple. Have fucking hit dance. The mashed potato might do like chill-out. We can't be flying all over the place. Exactly. That's the end of the story really because after this, there's just a skit and then there's A song that's completely unrelated to the rest of this it's totally different season. So this really is this is the climax of the album. This how it ends is that Boris wins the Monster Mash. Reigns Supreme. Yeah. Matt, good. Food you don't. You're asking earlier like, why does the Monster Mash door like what? What gives it its power and I really think that it's Reflecting on it. Now I think that it's the bobby. Pickett really knows his shit. Can hear the passion for this. Isn't something made I mean it is absolutely made by someone looking to cash in and make score quick buck but at least in do they're doing it with something that they hold dear to their heart I think harding in the USA. Probably would score like five hundred bucks and he's like cool. Great. You know like Mika Lick, some quick cash and it'll be fun. But instead it ended up being like a big. Be Much bigger much bigger than. A finger, which is kind of remarkable. I mean you gotta give it I mean that's that's hometown ingenuity I. Give it to them I give him credit I. Think I think you know he seems like a good guy but Jesus, fucking Christ especially these next last signs on the album like. You know where overstaying are welcome. So let's just move on to these last few songs and get fucking over this next one is in the song it's a skit and I wanNA know if you guys know what the fuck its referencing because I do. But do you guys know what the? Let's get. So we got let's fly away followed by monsters. Pot. Q. Donald. Rum Five. To new. Like. I'll moose owes a new. Zealander. All saunters. Louis Making a list checking it twice. Lincoln Stein wanted shiny new try. New Chain. Braced for Eagles back speech able Wolfman Cape foot-drag. Really that's what you. Could ask for anything. Tricycles trikes. Minute funny thing to picture those Frankenstein it right into trey. Yeah. I mean I guess. Strikes her tidy. Big Big. It's it's the Do you find funny to watch me in my automobile? What's what's going on with the Vampire Vampire attract? I didn't pick up on it. All right. So Nine, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, two. There was a comedy album, the Sky Stan Freberg nine, hundred, fifty one. he had a comedy and he came out with this thing called John and Marsha. If you WANNA search John, and Marsha Stan. Freberg. On. Youtube. I'm pretty sure this is A. Positive. This is what he what he's referencing. Okay. Great. This was a very popular This was uproariously funny to people in the nineteen fifties how And it endured all the way to the sixties, their concept of it though that's Exactly the same thing except replace Dracula and Vampire with John and Marsha wait. Okay. Okay. Let me this is the wikipedia article. So here we go John and Marsha is a nineteen fifty, one, American novelty comedy single written and performed by San Freberg and released on Capitol records this is goes back to our point about how easy fame was that. Consisting of only two words John and Marsha, the recording is a back and forth dialogue between a man and a woman ranging in varied emotion it was made into an award winning commercial. by producer director, John Hughley and Animated Art Babbitt aired on television in nineteen, fifty six. So supposed to be basically a parody of. Soap? Operas. Sending. Up Soap operas and the way characters talked to each other on soap operas. and. So he is doing this reference years later and just replacing them with vampires and it gets its own track on the album. Fill. It out to sixteen. GotTa gotTA. GotTa gotTA GOTTA. GotTa. GotTa Guy at. Okay. All right. Well, so so it is party in the USA. Yeah I mean that doesn't make it a song. It's definitely not a song. It's not really worth anything either although you know what I will say chuckled at the when they flew away at the end, the bat soundproof. Bat sounds like apparently. It was funny. monsters holiday. What do we have to say about that one I need that as a single? From my my Christmas Dj. Date the choose holiday. Was a single I it's on a you can find it on forty five possibly forty-five of monsters Mash Monster Mash. Monster just. Getting you the misprint one this says monsters. Monsters. Books. He should've done one for every holiday. How? Where's Monster Flag Day? Right right. Monster Veterans Day or you know monsters giving no Thanksgiving what novelty novelty thanksgiving. Songs are out there zero shit. We're at the end of the album guys we did it. So as you know Wiley as a seasoned veteran of the show, what we do at the end of the album is we look back and we. You know we reminisce together and we retrospectively assign the album a rating from zero in a negative way of some quantify fire. So you both get to choose the quantify fire and you get to be the first one to rate the album. A lot of pressure? A lot of pressure. If you're not a Beta cuck, you can probably rise to the occasion. DRAC and Real. real eager. Be Eager. Well I'M GONNA rate the rate the album it's. So tough because I love I, fucking love the Monster Mash is, is such a banger. I mean Mash Mash so good. But. The rest of the album really is is just total DRAC. I'M GONNA have to I'm going to have to rank this negative two coffins. On a scale. Never doing here A. Solidly, Middle The road the. It has its moments. I would actually probably by I would probably buy this album. Yeah I would I would like to own this. Yeah. Okay. I mean the covers the covers pretty good. All right. Yeah. Okay. Negative to coffins and Mike you. Sure. Look this is making stop. We've heard it all. Yeah. I can't be too mean bobby. I had a little fun with this album. I'm GONNA give them a negative one coffin. And I'm giving him the negative one because he never explained how to do the Monster Mash. Sixteen tracks. So he loses a point for that. Oh. Okay. Wow that is awfully generous. I mean listen this was listenable. So that is a big win for something on the show but is it sixteen tracks listenable? No, it's pro-. It's approximately four tracks listenable it really is I mean the the idea of stretching this out, and of course, obviously, they were cashing in on the initial hit and they wanted and he continued to for his entire life. So I don't feel bad about saying this our hometown hero Bobby Pickett. You know he was able to pay his rent for his entire life never had to struggle You know this continued it obviously holds a place in the Zeitgeist in our collective imaginations. It's clearly important. It's important enough for Wiley to listen to it for an hour and a half for just one song on this album for an hour and a half. So you've gotta give it that amount of credit but. You know it just It's barely an album I mean it's it's barely an album it. It's one of the best albums that we've ever reviewed the funding fairly in album and that's you know it's definitely seen selling. Was it fun? Yes. Was it. Oddly erotic. Yes. To have feelings about the montage TWA of eager DRAC and Dr Frankenstein. Yes. Explore those feelings further. We'll explore those feelings for you know in the privacy of my own home, but I'm not going to say that this is good in any way you gave an negative to. Is. Really. Who let's see sixteen songs are just want to point out to you though, yeah. Average Song length two minutes, twenty seconds. That was exactly what I was just about to say the beauty of the brevity of these songs. Glorious. There are some songs which again are not song. So I don't know if we give them credit for this that are like forty seconds long on this album. So that is that is something it wasted less time of my life. It took more it took less years off of my life than the vast majority of the albums that we listened to this show. So you know what while I'm GonNa go with you it's a negative to coffins for me. Yeah. I rate. So thank you so much to our incredible guests wildly for being on the show with us today. It's a pleasure to be in Everett. Where this album was recorded No Bobby. Boris, Pickett did stand up comedy for the first time right. Okay Yeah. Classic Yeah my backyard, a tight five. Very? Tight five. So. Why why don't you go ahead? I know you're TIKTOK famous you don't need any additional. You know push from us and our lowly downloads but you should just kidding we we have I think we're over one hundred thousand this year now. GotTa. Yeah. 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Monster Mash by Bobby (Boris) Pickett & The Crypt-Kickers

The Story Song Podcast

1:09:54 hr | 1 year ago

Monster Mash by Bobby (Boris) Pickett & The Crypt-Kickers

"The story of a dedicated scientist working late into the night this week on the story song. PODCAST Everybody welcome back to the story song. podcast I'm Dan Max. I'm Rachel and the Michael Gazelle area so we walking through a story song and this week We are doing the Monster Mash. Finally by Bobby Boris in Parentheses he's picket and the crypt kickers. I got a couple of things I want to say right now. Trying to hold myself back I want to stay on. I WanNa stay on Format Matt. You guys had no no Michael Tell US exactly. I'm definitely to Michael Mogae tells. What is the story of the Monster Mash? We have a scientist WHO's working late. One night and his laboratory as scientists tend to do he sees his monster come to life right so he's like a mad scientist. I mean he's like a little annoyed but not like madman. He's not he's not like a guy who was like AAC figuring out an additive for gasoline right to make it slightly no. He's re bodies deals with monsters. That's his core focus mostly monster so when his monster comes to life the monster does what monsters do He has to dance. The dance you guys catches on flash the other monsters arrive and they joined the Party and they all start dancing. And then Dracula shows up uh-huh and he wonders why nobody's doing his favorite. Dance to Transylvania twist this dance. It seems has been replaced by the new dance. which is the Monster Mash? Cool that and he joins them with the band. And all of a sudden the monster mash is the hit of the land and then the mad scientists invites you the humans to do the Monster Mash. Yeah Oh is a big fan of talk directly to me in the category of human being the thing I wanted to jump out of is this has gotta be the I saw because technically this is credited to Bobby Boris Pickett and the crypt kickers. Is this the I thought. Maybe you guys are thinking another one. where the band is mentioned in the song? The band ever listening to that is tractive out in the side. Well there is the theme song to the monkeys. Yeah but I'm saying a song we've done although these young mcevers say his name. Because that's so no I don't. They gave her said it probably regulators. They probably mentioned their names. So I think that's the top they'd do. Yeah I I don't think they're in the story story like they are in this like the crip kids their characters right. He's in great name. Sounds like something else is like what you would call doc martens anyway so the other question I had and this is not something I expect you guys have an actual answer to maybe just kind of discussed S. briefly. As I was just sort of curious I was thinking as I was listening to this on today. When did the idea of the Funny Monster Begin? Oh like all these all these monsters answers like when they originally written they were meant to be scary right. So at what point did it become like. Oh like Frankenstein. Stew in the back. Tuesay he like. This is funny like when when did that start. That had happened all at once. Or like did each monster counterpart like one at a time and sort of all added to. When did the munsters come out? And addams family well. That's that's right around here. Monsters was nineteen sixty four. Okay okay when was the Stanley. Today was sometimes leading the addams family the addams family was earlier only in that because they originally the rhetoric right right right. That's that's probably probably the fifth. Yeah right so it almost feels like maybe that's not a not at least the start of something like sort of a like a codify. Eight of like okay. This is this is what funny scary funny because even avenue Castillo movies right the monsters. I mean those are comedies but the monsters are scary short short. It's not like the masters at the end or like okay. Now do a dance party. Like Abbott and Costello are funny but the monsters are still scary. So I don't know when that kind of the kid friendly early monster thing you know what I think it came was after World War Two when they got to see the real monsters. That's why we're allowed to do the Mash Lake AK- the deep the deep twilight zone twist is like for you other true monster cheese. Boris has got real. Thanks a light speed an he. On my monster. From his slab began and suddenly Dumas surprise. He did the MONGST. The graveyard smash it called. Start here in the at the top so boras talking to Lsu says. I was working in the lab late one night when my eyes beheld an eerie sight for my monster from his slab began to rise. Suddenly to my surprise he did the mash he did the monster mash rush the Monster Mash was a graveyard smash it caught on flash you guys guys working in the lab. He is trying nine to recreate life. Pull God out of Heaven and replace himself as the creator of life and the monster comes to life but but instead of going on a killing rampage or you know sort of what he's expecting it gets up and starts doing a dance which let's be honest. That's almost scarier. Sure I music if somebody walks in front of you and starts dancing. That's weird it's weird and also it's not it's unexpected. He thought he knew what this rampaging aging monster was gonNA do and all of a sudden he he's a loose cannon. He doesn't know what he's GonNa do. I mean we don't know what he was doing this for. Was it just for like General General Mad scientists or you just want to see to it or was he trying to make like a killing monster and if so. This is a huge failure if you're trying to make them. I answer to get revenge on the villagers below and this guy gets up and starts like doing a dance. Yeah this is. This is a complete failure unless he was is trying to create like a dancing monster. Thing is that was he was trying to put on his own Ziegfeld follies or something. That's what I'm like. Is this the goal like is he trying to create aide. An army of dead dance right right for very specific musical. While here's the thing dead dancers condemn all right. They don't complain that's right. They don't they don't need SAG minimum right right. They don't have rules rules of like you can only rehearse for certain hours day. They don't need days off right so this would actually be a huge money. Yeah real helpful really helpful in the end up front. It's a big investment but like the craft services is really weird but aside from that I mean it's just human brains. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean. Everything's still got to be gluten free because they're still going to have a bunch of cigarettes from my love in the calls released to the mall drew. The whole came from their humble of ood ooh to catch on Joe from electro and then this his laboratory is in is in the castle east to the master bedroom where the vampires feast now. What is happening? What is happening in this part here is just like? That's a design flaw in that house. Well I think just as the laboratory so far away from the master bedroom I think that's where he sleeps. I I understand no I was looking at the layout so who wants to walk all the way across. The house is largely appreciate that. Because if you work where you live you WanNa make sure you have a nice iced delineation between your living space and your workspace but it is weird that vampires feast in his bedroom. I mean he's saying I don't live here alone. There are vampires who bring villagers from you know down the mountain up here to to them and and that happens in my bedroom. Always he's sleeping in the master bedroom is he's just like look the vampires suck that over here in the lab. It's fine I think I don't the need to sleep in. What's got a mini fridge? He's like I barely use it all. I'm working late at night. I'm in the lab if I need me too I curl up on the slab next to monster but I don't really need a bed so why Airbnb to some vampires and it's fine. I also I. I like the way your priorities. Priorities are clearly laid out Rachel. I bet you're just like yes. They're vampires of the Muslim. But what I WANNA know of this castle houses this is catch and is it really. Is it really twenty minutes to the beach like really really tell me. Tell me truthfully because it's probably more like it's like it's like the the edge of the beach it's twenty minutes but you can't get into the beach there and then there's vampires all over the place can we. I'd like to take it from the vampire side though. Maybe he's like okay. So listen you get this airbnb however you can only use. It's only for a room. It's not you don't get you. Don't get the access to the kitchen or or the bathroom or anything. It's just the room so anything you do has to happen in this bedroom. Vampires are like I'm paying two hundred and sixty dollars a night for a room. Come on but I mean also to be fair. They don't need anything else. They're going to kidnap young women Bring them back to their room. Eat them or at Lea- strain their blood and then I guess sleep in a coffin. I don't really know but I guess my point is I don't I don't think I don't think they need to take a shower. I think just I sort of magically always sort of clean. Well now I'm thinking way too much about vampire hygiene I mean. I don't know I've never even thought that I would think about that but here I am way too much. What's the right amount? I think none is the right amount. Now it's even more than that and that's just too. It's more than I ever ever thought it would be. I have a reminder I have counter reminders for twice a year just to sit and think about right because you you just want to get it out of the way you know the thinking thinking about it but yeah I mean I guess they probably bathe in blood rain. Oh what that would be. And I don't WanNa be make any sense that would be like us by the like bone broth that's weird. We drink water. And then we based but they don't know but they're not drinking blood because they're thirsty for it. They're drinking because they're hungry for it. That's not what I'm saying is I don't want to be stereotypical. Those people apple. It's always blunt right. Just it's it's always blood with those anything they're doing. It's blood Dr Pepper just for a little tree a tree. Well that is but to be fair. That is the closest you can get in a commercial soft drink to blunt. Yes that's true. That's true to blood by the way Dr Pepper people the sponsorships you've not been returning my email. They're standing says Google come for their humble abodes to get a jolt from my electrodes. I think he's a pusher drug Rasoun instead the feels like a real subtle. Like you probably wouldn't really think about it but if you do what is your yeah. I mean it is a party. I don't thinks Oh this. Is the one thousand nine hundred eighty two. I don't think anyone was on drugs for at least another couple of years. Of course not no because it wasn't called drugs then it was called medicine. Everything had cocaine in it. So what does it matter. Go ahead go Kay right exactly exactly. I think there was eighteen. Sixty to nineteen sixty two coca cola. People why you're not responding to my emails I don't understand. Ah by the tagline coke it used to have cocaine in it. I mean it tells itself. I don't understand what the problem is but seriously Ryan me back got sponsorship deals anyway. I'm guys I'm sorry. Do Business on the air. Let's get back to the song so all the goals are coming from their humble abodes so now thinking because I was thinking that there was like you you know the Classic Castle up on Him Rain the village down below the maybe this is just like a whole land of monster I think so the only thing we we only ever hear ear about monster right right right so the goals coming from somewhere else. They don't live in the cast right. They're coming from their humble abodes. Are I guess but I guess they could live in various other haunted wanted around. Why are they all instantly doing the match? This feels like one of those things where it's like. You know this is the thing that only happens. Visit a movie for like somebody starts doing a dance. Everyone's like hey what's that guy doing. And then everyone starts doing the dance like that just doesn't happen in real life but I guess in this case like this the power our like the monster so soon the dance jumps up from the slab to this and then like the mad scientist and his assistant like man. This is pretty great and then they are doing and I guess there is like A. I guess there's a party then and then everyone then at the party everyone the you know the monster and the mad scientist whatever like hey guys we got this new dam is that you gotta do and I will to be fair in the sixties. That was a big sure right like every other week there was a new dance that everyone had no so so I think this this might also be part of it where there was this like you went to a party and everyone's like guys great news. There's a new dance and we're all gonna spend three hours learning so brother get hydrated. 'CAUSE here we go. I mean it's right there. In the song it caught on in a flash. They covered their. Yeah yeah that's true. But when he says from my laboratory in the castle east to the master bedroom with Iran pros vs goals all came from their humble. Abodes is that all happening is he is he saying that's how it spread like basically like the vampires caught on they turn into bats. They went to the goals. The goals were like. Hey you got to hear This and then the goals came in when they got their electrode shocks then they started doing the mashes. Well I think like I mean that was always I just sort of spread through the castle and then out. Yeah but I also felt like they were also independent of the of the monster doing the mash. They also were going to have a party heart. Gotcha right like I think the party was going to happen anyway and it was it just happened to be earlier that afternoon. The mash the Monster Mash was invented. Invented okay everybody. Hey everybody let's learn the Monster Mash. Yeah but this was late one night and the lab. Okay well maybe the I mean. They're monsters Michael. Maybe the party start thirty-four the true doctrinal or maybe the parties the next day or whatever or the next night so then the match. Gosh I don't I'm just saying I mean again. Only because the next after that is designed as we're having fun with politics included included Regula and his song or was this or was the party to introduce everybody to the Monster Mash. I mean that's also possible wasn't a lunch coming out. Righty for the Monster Mash. Yeah because people are invited. There's a there's a guest you gotta get on this list I thank. This wasn't an open party. Yeah people were people were were you know pulling strings to get into this party. It's now I'm just picturing it like bogeying. Where there's there's a ball? Everybody shows up in category as vampire realness or something. You're getting ahead. I was going to get to the at at the end I was GONNA say so. What do we think this looks? Yeah what is what is the monster mash like. How is it done because I know? It's based off the mashed potato right. I think that's I don't know how to do that. But I'm going to imagine that some sort of like swiveling hips. It seemed like in the sixties. They're always moving their hips. So imagine they're sorta like moving their hips and like kind of doing that. Where you're sliding your feet right? I guess that's kind of a and then also but then I'll think is just a variation on the twist arms Out like you're doing the thrill of dance that's right so by but in thriller the arms are really stiff. The arms are moving. I'm doing it right now. In the arms are moving. But they're out like zombies arms. And you're and you're kind of moving your hips and like St and putting your feet back and forth. That's what I think. You've painted a beautiful picture for our listeners. I appreciate it and I feel like that would catch on in a flat. Oh Yeah I think it did. I would almost go I. I would go so far as to say it might be. I don't want to. I think that that's how it caught on like a flash like that sort of how I picture like. There's here's the scene in the thriller video where all of the zombies and whatever just sort of like congregating and show up just to Dansk Like wow when they do catch on in a flash like it it just it really you know it spreads pretty quickly there and like we were saying remember number like the common rate for Michael and that girl right right right but then the Ma says all staff and they start doing that dance right and that is way more terrifying than them just I i. It was scary when they were like coming to us. Police I understood what was going on. I don't know what the heck is happening. Now right Yasser he also stopping at dancing. I think we can. All agree is like about the most terrifying thing you can imagine so I mean that that scientists a good opportunity for you to run the right. But you're so confused just frozen in place you might go you. Just you're tearing the steps they're tearing your hair out just like you completely your mind breaks you know what I mean. You're just like a complete mental breakdown where you're like but why is this happening so anyway. That's what I imagine happened to the mad scientist. Was He just completely really insane when this happened. I do WanNa talk about the guest list though are so there's There's there's ghouls zombies. Yes right but the only three monsters who are are mentioned by name are the guests included Wolfman Dracula and his son. Yeah the problem. I've always had with the song this is now. Our second vampire reference the Vampires are feasting and now Dracula and his son or showing short. Right there are way more monsters In the world of officers we have sort. We have a sort of a Frankenstein reference. We got Wolfman that's fine. But HERE'S THE PROBLEM DRACULA IT'S GONNA come back a third time in the song yet about it. Yeah and I feel like you had a chance to throw in your mommy's you're invisible bowman's your creature from the Black Lagoon Salt Lake. Let's get a little more variety seinfield's very vampire heavy I know. And that's all I'M SAYING BUT LISTEN DRACULA IS IT's huge. I mean he's huge. He is a celebrity ails. Listen if you have like beyond your party but then also Kim Cottrell. Oh like sure. Kim cattrall is fine but beyond says there you focus on beyond say not Kim Cottrell I I will. I disagree but because because I have a lot I mean Rachel. Yeah when I say a lot I have a lot of questions about the inner workings of panicking so you would just be a quarter with him patrol discussing that with her while everybody else is talking beyond say. Do you see what I'm saying. So there's one person talking to the mummy. But but but but okay Papa Papa. Kim became the first question. If you were in ancient Egypt. Why are you a plastic plastic mannequin? I don't like how did how did you turn into like. How did they have plans? Signage Egypt. I just don't understand Kim. Can we also is nothing really going to stop. I have I'm GonNa let you guys have several questions about Hollywood and then So but I agree with you. But here's what I'm saying is Dracula he he comes in at the like it should be adopted Dracula right totally agree with you. Dracula Taylor's to moment. He gets to say his own line so don't waste him in in the middle of the song. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying the guest list should have been Wolfman and then like maybe the mummy and something else. That's trying to knows what he's doing he's making ensure everybody knows that Dracula is their lives there. Okay all right so then. He's like well at this point he's not there. He's on the guest list. He's like Oh my God. I hope this party is going to be a disaster. Promised everyone fun. I've promised everyone here. And all my God Wolfman would never showed up director. Was I really hope that you bring his son. That's all I hope I'll I hope drank rand son. But YOU GUYS Dracula showed up to the Party and then went to sleep in a coffin. When he's I though that is weird like there's a power move that's to be like I want to cover your party but I'm taking a nap? Okay so I'm going to show up. That'll be one hundred and fifty thousand dollars now. I'm going to go take a nap. Don't wake me up most rocking. Digging Eagle changed back being home. The coughing back to the vocal group. The crypt kickoff is now. The party has started Seema's Rockin and all we're digging. The sounds shore eager on chains backed by his baying hounds. Nice so eager. Do we think eager is shaking the chains like a tambourine marine. What do you think he's playing them like xylophone? ooh Let's start with Michael or does he have them like strung like a guitar. I mean that is also possible. That seems that seems a lot harder but who knows well. We don't know how heavy these were GONNA make. It doesn't make a lot of noise. He's like I'm saying if you were shaking the chains like it would make noise. What are they chains? Connected to bell's I mean they could be connected to anything right so but doesn't say bells going on ego. Are you playing the chains again. It's a piano why nobody calls at the chain. Cool Chains Daddy O tourist I. It's a piano. It's never gonNA make chains happen but also now are they playing the monster bash because the band is not showed up because the coffin coffin bangers were about to arrive with their vocal group. The crip kicker five so is it just e gorgeous shaking chains Before everyone gets areas that is what is what you're doing. Is that the Monster Mash. No I think it was up for. I think it's the opening up before the Wasser Bash. Okay these the opening act and everybody's like what equal soon doing pretty good. I mean I'm really waiting for the crypt kicker five but I all right. I'm making me sounds. I'm digging it while the opening exco. He's pretty good. Listen my parents went. Saw Santana opened up for canned heat. So you never know who's going to be the opening act. You know what I'm saying you've got to be blown away by the opening act is I saw Pat Bet Atar open for Ringo Starr. So that's all I was GONNA say. I was very excited to see. I didn't know she was going to be there. Yeah Yeah and then they were like opening. Act Pat better tire and then she was like this. This will come into the end of our world tour. I was like you're the opening act. Pat This is sad. But that's that's another story for another time Yeah so the coffin bangers. They're coming. They have a vocal group. That sings along the crip kicker five and they played the mash wait so they're the ones who are playing them. Can I say so other quick so yes. The coffin. bangers is the is the band and then they have a vocal group called the crypt kicker. Five wait a minute is the logic in the monster mash. I have a bone to pick with someone. Oh Oh wait a minute how we doing bad master puns. This entire we gotta start again. Delete everything that we should start. Yes I mean that's what it sounds like. The coffin. Bangers were about to arrive with their vocal group. The crip kicker five I guess the mash eight they played the monster mash cryptic. You're there just a vocal group so you don't have any instruments so the coffee makers have got to be the band that you're not gonNA have acapella group. Ah Party Yay. She's what the Hell is this. frigging Yale bunks. Bright Khakis sweaters. This is this is the sixties this is in the fifties where you have five guys in matching sweaters singing at a college party now in the sixties you got to have instruments And so yeah so they they somehow have learned the song for the Monster Mash. Although it's probably is basically just twist let's not get ourselves but it's not the twist because we'll find out why but I'm saying it's probably a slight variation on it. You know what I mean. They made a couple of as many changes. But it's basically the same mhm song but then yes there. In the middle of the PSI. Out of his coffin drags voice did ring see if he was troubled by just one thing. He opened the lid and shook his fist. With all the mall. I feel like this is is sort of like name dropping on Boris's totally worries where he's just like a dracula. I call him through his home. Track track to my party. I when you're watching a talk show a talk show and the guy's like yeah so anyway me and Bobby Deniro doing this. You call him. Bobby you're cool Oh yeah me and DRAC. Yeah we were just hanging out and anyway he was mad. 'cause his tragic twist was now the Mash I. I wonder if any of the other month says we're just like leave it to DRAC problem. Music such a diva does all the time. Unbelievable it's now the Mash DRAC. It's now the monster mash. Yeah and it's a graveyard smash I don't think the translate into us was ever a graveyard smash okay. Oh my gosh this is really a story. About the downfall of Dracula twist was At best a graveyard minor hit rate. Right yeah yeah it was a graveyard. Let's call it what it was. You know what's tough about about it is it's not inclusive because it's so specific like Transylvania twist like sometimes you know New York state of mind. We love it because we're from New York. I don't know if other other people love it as much because they're not from New York. You gotTA expand it out Monster Mash. That's all the monsters drafts in our guy. Just being like Dracula we love you. We love the suffer. You're doing translate you twist we love. It sounds great. But here's the thing sounds a little ethnic that's all our people are going to buy. It outside of Transylvania. We don't no no we don't know to regional man who a huge hit and Transylvania Dracula. But we're really trying to get like like everywhere else. We're trying to global. Oh right yeah yeah. It's you know it's like in Billy Joel's pressure when he says all your life is channel thirteen people outside of New York. They don't know what that means. You Know Oh no no change it for the for the single version I forget what the actual change to the single version. But did they change it in the single version. Any what. We're what we're saying Dracula's does that. You're the billy Joel of monsters. Basically you're to regional. We get it but billy Joel. You're the track love singer songwriters. This is what we're trying to say thank you. I don't know whether that's a complimentary belly pretty famous teague and how you will I Guess Avid Dracula writes a lot about Transylvanian Fisher and the downfall of Industrial Transylvania sure Dr Mary sad and also the Long Island Expressway. He pulled one or two things directly from uh-huh oh man jacket version of Allentown. Just break your heart every time so So yeah so. I'm assuming that there was probably a pretty tense moment. Right because I mean this is Dracula Dracula. And he's like hey. What are you guys doing right? Eight jacket he'll kill you like a monster like it's not I mean they all will. They're all they're all equally. Yes yes that's true. Yeah that's a good point so yeah I guess most of them are like what are you going to do. We're already dead. You Wanna a fight to whatever managed to slowly backing out of the room like involved in this but it all worked out. Because everything's it's cold drafts. A part of the band and my Monster Mash. Now wait a minute. Boris I know my whole those this gets me. I is a total change a word yeah. He's a total Colonel Parker. He's now he's taking all the credit for the monster came up with the Monster Mash. The BANGERS Kripke five they presumably rather music. And this dude this boys guy. He's taking all the credit right. It's my monster mash. Rush Right. Yeah it was in my lab so it's really right right right eating sign off on anything. So it's it's mine. It's all my property. Did you read the fine print on the invitation. Because I was just like I really should have read the fine print on that contract. Why did I not learn? I'm from Taylor all my rights to to listen unless unless like we were saying in the beginning he designed this monster under this specific. Maybe have a very kitschy. Ah That's true. Maybe that's what he's doing. Maybe announce creating dancing monsters stars and then once one of them hits. Yeah that's how he comes up with new dances by inventing dancing monsters and see what they come up with. So I made you literally the Monster Mash you. You'd be nothing without me. You'll be literally in a grave tale. You'd be without me. You'd be bits and pieces of different people boras. This is really a chicken and egg type of situation agree to disagree like throwing the switch like the master gets up. And he's just like watching the nicest gloating shotgun he's like that's just the Charleston. I can't use this. They don't know what to do all out the head of the Charleston again pile of bodies. Let's get the next one. Let's see what he does. Well it is also very telling that he the monster of the Monster Mr Mash. The monster is not mentioned outside of the laboratory. The Monster Mashes the dance is so quite. Possibly the monster got up started dancing. Boris took notes and then disposed of the monster and spread it to vamp wrangling or he locked away and was like guys I invented a great new dance. I Lawrence new dance at everyone has to learn and the goals were like wait. We're working on getting a monster back to life. And he was like. Didn't you want another hit of electrode. Maybe should keep your mouth shut. Yeah sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry I just need a little taste that lightning lightning man very party by the way back Sorry sorry snow electrodes for me. I I'm trying to quit. Joe He says for the living for you. The living WHO's talking us this mash was meant to when you get to my door. Tell them Burra said to you. What are you talking about when I get to your door to the door? Who Am I gonNA tell them? Boris sent me guessing the Butler that doesn't make any parting. Yeah Yeah you saw Michael. That's what it means passwords. Go though that one's Seem Bang Bang Bang on the door Butler her or somebody was the door. And you're like Oh Boris Man. They're like all right you. You're in the know. Come on in. Come on it's velvet rope situation. Yeah that makes sense. It's that makes sense to get into the hottest Halloween party in all the land. Yeah so I want to say this. I'm sure it's really fun. If you are a human being thing and you go to a monster party if you die that's on you man like why. Why are you going to do what you were saying? You're going to a monster party they. I'm sure it's on you come on. You gotTa have a little contents about these things right or they're going to be a lot of vampires perfect. Yeah other monsters actively feeding inside the castle yes they are yes they are okay so I appreciate your thirst for adventure but just realize their consequences to your actions since and you're at need to dance and I appreciate your desire to be a up on the latest dance crazes but you have to understand that you know there are dangers that come along with this if you're going to mysterious castles and going to parties all right anything on this song if you guys remember when we did the We did an episode on. We'll sing thing in the sunshine. One of the things that we raised gale Garnett for was those slight changes to the chorus. Bobby pick the same. You're absolutely right you you know he did. The Mash they did. The Mash they played the mash. It's now the Mash. Then you can mash like I like those little changes and if you're going to have a song if you write a song in nineteen sixty two and it's going to be played in the year. Twenty one thousand nine hundred. Those little details are going to make all the difference right. You know you have have a Lotta competition it's GONNA get winnowed down wind down and winnow down until you're still. You're still around so that that's going to make a big difference and a lot of a lot of good sound effects in the song. No I mean seriously and it's not too much ray you hear like change you hear some of the the sound like those chemistry sounds or whatever in the beginning when he's in the lab. It's it's not over the top but it's just enough right where it's where it's good you know. And that's the thing that we as society do not talk about is that thriller begins with a solid forty. Five seconds c-grade Halloween following sound effects. So for Bobby here point for Boris on the Sound Effects Department all right now. Let's talk about expanding universe so we've had to cut we. We have decided that most of the stories that we've covered involved ghosts. Rory great come back to people being ghost or there are demons that are haunting people. There are there are demon. AL's there are taunting night farmers. So yeah so I was only saying. I'm assuming all any ghost or demon or monster we've ever mentioned. They're all at the party they're all doing the mash. Yeah I the thing is in each of these songs. Somebody ninety percent of the time ends up dying tragically So I'd imagine that they all went to this party party but the only like actual ghost song. We've ever done was wildfire so you think the Horse Shut up Mike. There was a horse at this party. There has goes toward and go S- lady and if for those of you who have listened to the episode. There is a ghost hunting man. I hi there was a Dose Mountain Mountain Top. Yeah have you had any songs about the music industry the Santa wondering if like you know anyone showing up to like check out the coffin bangers see see what they're up to or sort of low level Pearl's a singer maybe like the same like maybe they were in the the same contest that she was in. Oh Yeah Yeah. Oh maybe maybe. She taught decipher them. She wanted to go eh guys. It really hard for me if I could just get into the crypt kickers in got to get out of this dive bar going all the best party. Maybe maybe she like like got into the band and then just had to quit. Because they were touring so much. Like the Transylvania and stuff and she was like I don't want to travel also a lot of late nights and also fire bad. So she's he's like that whole fire eating part of her part of her act so it's tough expanding universe stuff or you're just throw that we got parole at this party definitely. Yeah right way to go turn pro. Came back everybody okay. We'll take a a quick break when we come back my talk about the history this song with man the story so stare at the back. I'm hungry hungry. Dad podcasts were nerdy. Dad's talk nerdy. Fats we talk life entertainment and give rise to those who never asked for it like anytime I do anything my brother calls me. Thought what do I do you or best college degree for a super villain citgo smashed that like button. Find US wherever podcasts live that year a magical place called the internet like Spiderman. I'm an Elsa Shipping Videos Dad. I'm hungry right all right and we're back. It's time for story behind the story out to this other story song come to be. This is this. I mean in terms of like the amount of people who know this song rate or at least like familiarity right song versus like like knowledge of like who sang the song where it came from like. I'm sure I mean we all know that. It's Bobby Boris Pickett because we are great a Weirdos but I'm sure and if you grabbed off the street like and you're like hey do you know the monster bash like like. Yeah who sang thing it. Not a clue like could even begin to imagine. Probably like don't think about half the answers would be like I. I'M ASSUMING THE REAL LIFE DRACULA SEGA right. Yeah it'd be like Elvis. I don't know why don't you tell us it's funny. He said that. Not because Elvis hated the song really all right. Well let's see let's get into it so go tells the story behind buying the sun. I will bill so Monster Mash was released on August. Twenty Fifth Nineteen Sixty two which seems a little bit early for Halloween Song? Young like they keep pushing up the holidays like every year it was on the charts for seven weeks on the billboard. Hot One hundred which brings us to almost Halloween An after seven weeks on the chart I mean when down but like it peaked. After seven weeks on the billboard hot one hundred at number one ease but listen smart like because They gave it time to do a slow burn and then build up you know and and those were also the days when you know you would release the song in May and and then bye-bye Christmas it would be like at its peak like everything was kind of a slow burn. Then well my question. You knew that. Was this time to be a halloween song. I don't know I I I would imagine. It's like Christmas albums are usually released in between mid October and like mid November. You you know so there. I think any album releaser or single released tends to to push towards the slow burn but it has to be out there. Well enough in advance is to get that seasonal Halloween mostly. Ben Ben You get people into the store to buy it like now you can just released. Yeah Yeah you can release it on spotify spotify like October twenty ninth in. It'll be it'll go crazy like Joie de but what's interesting about the monster mash hitting number one. It hit the week of October twentieth. Nineteen sixty two so it was number one for one week the week before we take of all the great signs that we did that we were like what Song Song didn't hit number. What the Monster Bash th- though it's not fair it's not fair because everyone's buying it for Halloween? So Oh that's still the fact that it wasn't like a number four hit a number one hit the trash crash. That's all it it was it was also literally a smash and it caught on in a flash and it was on the beach. We know that. Yeah so yeah yeah crazy so that week when it was number one. The songs that were behind it. These are just random songs in the top twenty by like Big Act Big Songs so I found this interesting Sherry by the four seasons was number two. Do you love me by the contours was number three. He's a rebel by the crystal's vocals. By Darlene Love was number four patches or patches by dickey Lee was number six patches rambling rose by Nat King Cole was number seven only love can break a heart by gene. Pitney was number eight green onions by booker t and the was number nine. If I had a hammer mar by Peter. Paul and Mary was number eleven surfin safari by the beach. Boys was number fourteen. All alone in my Bradley was fifteen. What kind of fool am I by by? Sammy Davis Junior is eighteen. I left my heart in San Francisco by Tony. Bennett was nineteen and Gina. By Johnny Mathis was number twenty. The Monster Mash was ahead of all of those excellent. That's Dick Yetlis totally fair but you know if it was like I left my heart and San Francisco because a monster took it. Maybe better if I had to kill that I'll always love getting break a heart and then turn you into an undead monster. Yeah Anyway yeah so these are just things for Tony Bennett to think about when next concert. Yep So for the records release piece Bobby. Pickett was credited as as Bobby. Boris Pickett He was originally from Somerville Massachusetts and while he was living there. Growing up He told billboard. I would enter these talent contests I did. The schtick about Boris. Karloff Karloff. And every time I do it I'd win. So that's the voice uses the the song is an impersonation Assam but he would sing a song as Boris Karloff. Basically yeah or just do an impression and people went crazy four. Okay I guess in the fifties and sixties a Boris Karloff impersonation would would just kill. Yeah exactly so. He moved to California to become an actor and his friend. Lenny could easi who is the CO writer Later moved there were three friends and they formed a band called the cordial's and convinced convinced Bobby Pickett to join during performances with the cordial's he would sing little darling by the diamonds and there's a spoken word part in the middle of the song wrong. And he did it in the Boris Karloff Voice And that became the inspiration for the Monster Mash in the song the to dance crazes that are mentioned are the mashed potato which was dance craze. It started in nineteen sixty two and the twist which started in nineteen fifty nine. It started in Tampa and was inspired by the dance. Hank Ballard and the midnight hers wrote and recorded a song called the twist in nineteen fifty nine. I dance came first. They'd seen or read about it and wrote the song and although it had some success I think it was actually decide Dick Clark suggested to the record company that it would be better if Chubby checker did it and he was running. I did that so the there are two horror film icons it's Impersonated by Bobby. Pickett in the song one is Bela Lugosi Which is the Voice of Dracula? He was a stage and and screen actor. BEST KNOWN FOR PORTRAYING DRACULA. I think both onstage and Onscreen And obviously Boris Karloff. Was a prolific actor film television and the stage. He's most known for his roles in horror films and his portrayal of Frankenstein's monster he was the host of the nineteen sixties television in Anthony Thriller so when the song came out he was still very top of mind and he also narrated a little television special so called. How the grinch stole Christmas so the song was written and recorded at least? The demo was recorded during a two hour writing writing session in May of nineteen sixty two. They took the demo to Gary S. Paxton who is a record producer who is also a songwriter and recording artist. So just as a side note. There's a little bit about Gary Paxton in nineteen sixty. He produced and sang lead vocals on the song alleyoop With a group of studio musicians that call themselves the Hollywood argyle's so it was a novelty song. So Gary S Paxton is your Go-to if you want to record a novelty. Apparently apparently it was based on the nineteen thirty two comic strip about a caveman transported to the twentieth century Who goes on time traveling adventures? That comic strip is still running by the way The song went to number one on the billboard. Hot One hundred the week of July eleventh nineteen sixty and. There's a lyric in that song that you might recognize is when they say. Look at that Caveman. Go look at that Caveman. Go anybody know damn I mean it says very familiar higher but is it from Captain Caveman. Throw me after Yup. I have no idea. No Oh wait becky caveman go right. Oh yeah so but we both lifted that from alleyoop you in addition to having a prolific career as a writer producer singer. Gary Paxton had pretty interesting life most of the details. We won't get into here but what it's kind of interesting to know that nineteen eighty. He was almost murdered He was shot three times by hit men who were hired by country singer who wanted to get out of his contract that country singer Reba mcentire aired so strange so he produced the monster mash. The songs recorded boarded in one take and Dan you were talking about the sound effects earlier. They did not use a party city soundtrack CD the way they accomplish the sound effects. This was The coffin was these are all spoilers. So if you want me to to ruin the magic forty you. You'RE GONNA WANNA put on mute for the next like ten seconds seconds the coffin. I'm was a nail being pulled out of a board of The bubbling sounds. Were the sounds of lung bubbles to restore onto a glass of water and the chains were chains loan. no-one would release this as a single Paxton was turned down by four record labels so he oppressed thousand copies of it and brought them to different radio stations around California and they began playing it one of the labels that turned him down. London records called and asked to release it. After sort of became a hit in terms of radio airplay. The song was issued on Paxton's own label called gear packs for Gary Gary Paxton and distributed by London records. That is a terrible name garp packs it. Sounds like a either some sort of medication or a fake Alien Ryan tribe that record label of terrible name had a number one single after the success of the single it was included on the album. The original Monster Mash by Bobby. Boris first picket and the crypt kickers. The album was called the original because there was already another album at the time called the Monster Mash by John. John Zachary which contained a cover of the song. The bobby pick. It includes a total of sixteen tracks all of which are monster themed. Oh my Lord. Some of them when we were called is Halloween Some of the other tracks were called the blood bank blues Graveyard Shift scully. Gully the Transylvania twist. Yeah you resistible Ebor and another song that we will talk about short list exists you can. Listen to the TRANSYLVANIA twist. It's not as good as as the most so they were. They were right. Yeah so although the song was a hit in the US it was banned by the BBC for being too morbid written. uh-huh we have spoken about this before this is I mean. Come on BBC this is ridiculous. LS That's all. I just discussed it. I'm disgusted say anything about every song. BBC even man. Are you vote. What are you talking about? Unloaded t buyer talking about on. Get it it to get it to. ABC Your cryptology our BBC The MoD RT's dismantle campy stuff yes feasting fine but come on it on on the radio cheese in one thousand nine hundred. This is a message for nine hundred sixty two BBC if anybody cool it just banning everything they were banned crazy man. I can't even sees right so the song re entered the hot one hundred two more times. It peaked at number ninety one after three weeks on the charts the week of September Twelfth Nineteen seventy and and it peaked at number ten after eighteen weeks on the chart of the week of August. Eleventh Nineteen seventy three. I have no idea why it was a midsummer hit and that year so nineteen seventy-three it went to number three in the UK where it's original release was banned. You know I I mean what can I say. What more can I say? The same thing happened to tell our love her became a hit and then they wanted to re release. It was it to Laura. I love Wpro where they released it and had somebody else recorded they. Another person recording went to number one in the come on. UK's around the same time it wasn't like years later It also charted on the disc digital sales charts in two thousand five two thousand seven through two thousand eleven even in two thousand thirteen or two thousand seventeen people are buying so look the songs doing pretty guys this song slap. Okay bring it. Sounds is create. Yeah but you've heard it a million times and you're still like you know if it was like may be like all right. What's your the Halloween Spirit? Once there's a nip in the air and now the people are pulling pumpkins out to you go to a kids party or whatever you're the master batch yes you don't upset you're like Oh yeah the monster man yeah into this you expect good you expect to hear it there. It did the match if you go to a Halloween Wing Party and a dog play monster mouth ferry hit at the worst mortgage so there was as a follow up single from the monster mash album released in December of the same. Yeah it was. It was December nineteen sixty two Months that these guys you talking about striking when the IRS hot but these guys they were just literally just fifty fifty fifty hammers hitting that iron. Do a whole album twitter. Whatever we gotta do baby Chow Chow Only two months later that is amazing. Okay follow up. Single was call your holiday monsters holiday favorite Christmas. And it's it will which is is amazing. It's about Daniel until the people with the Demosthenes all together to Rob Santa when he comes. He comes by for Christmas so they're waiting on the river the castle I'm going to rob him and then the NTT about goodwill and he gives them presents or whatever and the Wolfman gets an electric razor. Look I it will so much as they get what they want so they don't ride that's true that's true. That's what's great about that song is that it's not just about them wanting to rob Santa's sleigh they planet right and they get into that in the lyrics like they all meet and they're like all right. Here's what we're going to do. The Ocean's eleven of novelty songs and All India onto maybe he'll come monsters holiday went to number thirty on the hot one hundred so a couple of years after the iron was hot. Nineteen eighty five. Bobby Pickett recorded monster rap ono had like just when you thought Ravin Rodney. It was the weirdest rap song. Come out of the Eighties Ivy. They had rapid rodney. They had The wrapping John Wayne Song. Remember that one no wrapping John Winston Dude. Who in real life was a skinny black guy who did a spot on John Wayne impression and and they released the single of John Wayne Rapping and I think it was? I think it was actually a pretty big hit russell some cattle Melendez the sheep but my main concern was ramping to the I don't bother nobody. I'm a real nice guy laid back like don in the like the eighties. Where like the heyday of novelty rap? I mean like I said like if he's getting if he didn't do it I don't I don't know I mean people would have come to you like you're doing undecided so he has to do it. Yeah the curly shuffle. A rap to wrap now should have been but it was. Yeah I mean. That was sort of the heyday of like weird celebrity novelty songs. Whatever involving the celebrity like wrapping Rodney or people who were long dead like John Wayne? And we're so the man that did the curly Shuffle Scheffel. yomp like it was like Hootie and the blowfish jump and the saddle band so as jump in the saddle band. I have a question for you guys. I have a passion for the two of you as some of my oldest friends. Why in God's name do I know that please it helped me? It'd be really disappointed if you did nothing in our history that leads me to believe that you would not know this much about novelty rap songs so I can't say in fairness the curly shuffle is is is a novelty swing right right. I mean if you've got the chance get up and dance and do the curly shuffle. That's all I know you guys the listen. Listen listen listen it's just all enablers to each other never stood a chance we can uh anyway. So Monster Rap This story of that was the mad scientist from monster. Mash is is trying to teach his monsters to talk okay and they're not learning so he teaches them how to wrap so a little bit about Bobby Pickett. He was born as I said in Somerville Massachusetts on February Eleventh Nineteen thirty eight. He died April twenty fifth. Two thousand seven in West Los Angeles He continued performing throughout his life. His final concert was less lesson six months before his passing so when he would perform monster matching concert he would say. I'd like to perform a medley of my hit It's pretty great. And in addition to his singing career. Bobby Pickett was an actor. He had guest appearances Basically from the fifties on he did episodes facades of Doctor Kildare petticoat junction. Beverly hillbillies bonanza and T J hooker to name a few and although he's considered a one hit wonder he did have three charting writing singles Monster Mash Monsters holiday and a song called graduation day which went to number eighty in June of nineteen sixty. Three and monster. Mash is one of only three songs things to chart on the hot one hundred three times. Don't ask me what the other ones were. As much as I tried to find it. I could not find it as I mentioned before Elvis was uh-huh not a fan. He said something like one of the dumbest songs he ever heard. But fans of the song do include Bob Dylan who on Sirius. XM Radio show he said our next artist is considered a one hit wonder but one hit comes back year after year and Bobby Pickett was also quoted as saying I wanted to be known as an actor not as a guy who did a novelty record but now. I'm glad that I did the song because some people never get to do anything. It's on his tombstone very big tombstone now. I think that's sort of like a cool perspective like key true. I mean he did he have one hit yes. Does everybody get a hit now. So well listen. It seems like he really embraced his whole thing his whole like you know. I mean he did an entire the album full of monster based songs so like you know he really leaned into it and just a little bit about vowed Halloween music since this is for our Halloween episode according to Twenty Eighteen New York Times article based on data provided by spotify from twenty fifteen twenty seventeen. There's an increase in Halloween music listening starting two weeks before Halloween and in the US. Halloween music is most listen to in the following states. Utah Ohio New Hampshire West Virginia and Pennsylvania Also according to this data thriller is the most Popular Halloween Song. The second most popular being the Monster Mash. We've said it before but if you're going to write a song everybody out there tie it to a holiday if you can because that's right that's right not Christmas. I mean you can do Christmas. But it's a crowded field so because right now I was like Halloween. You got the Holy Trinity Trinity. Got Your mouth your thrill your ghostbusters theme song outside of that. It's a wide open field. So if you can get a fourth one in there you got some room in there to to get it or it's true it's true you do Arbor Day in Arbor Day. Yeah I mean. That's you know I mean I've I've literally. He said this exact thing on the first incarnation of the show. So I don't repeat myself but whatever we think about them Adam Adam sandlers genius man. He's got Hannukah song and he's got the Thanksgiving song the songs every year on the radio. Show that so by the way ghostbusters was number three on that list listed. Oh great I mean I like we got to the party. They played thriller and goes by and then a mix of popular songs from today. That's it you know what I mean. So yeah that's like those are the three that's let's get. I know that there are obviously there other ones but I always feel like somebody's watching me or anything really anything anything by Herbie. Hancock can probably is a little bit of the videos though. I don't know if that's true. That's true that's valid. All right was dead. Men's party on it. Yes that was number fifteen jess little going. Oh for Halloween. That should be higher. People got to know about the OREO. Okay let me tell you a quick break we come back. We're talking about The lesson we learnt from this song with lessons learned. Are you looking for a playlist of the hottest most bump jams around well. We can help you with that but we do have a spotify playlist of all the songs we've reviewed on the show so if you'd like to hear that search for the story Song podcast the official playlist on spotify. Then you'll hear the most lit it baller bops that go hard. I can't read all right. We're back it's time for lessons. Learned what lessons to be learned from this song and Rachel the start with you. What yes I did you learn from From the Monster Mash Well I learned that when you're setting up your home to be an Airbnb really take into account who your client base is going to be. And if you're going to have a large vampire client base. Make sure that the laboratory that you work in is on the east side of the House and the master bedroom. Ed Room is on the west side of the house to give them a little bit more time because the sun rises in the East so it won't get to the west side A couple of minutes you know. Be Be be considerate to your client and people are just GonNa know sociology tails you know. They're just going to appreciate it. Yeah definitely that's what's going to get you that five stars yeah. Yeah and that'll probably be. That'll probably you mean they will turn you into a creature of the night and not just drain you and dump your body and I just that little bit. That little bit of thoughtfulness is really going go a long way when they're deciding when they're deciding what they're doing with your corpse after they're feeding so exactly exactly they'll be like you. You know what I think she can roam the world the rest of eternity as as long as as long as she keeps those linens. Whatever using I was just going to say that right Guys whatever you're doing put it in an envelope melody yourself. Get that Sam date stamp right because somebody's someone could steal your transient. You twist and turn it into the Monster Mash and if you do not have proof of that you are stuck right. Yeah what go. And you're probably thinking look up King of the Vampires Bright. WHO's GonNa do it to me Brian? I don't have to worry about that kind of stuff. No no your legal rights CA Steph. Like that doesn't matter in monster call absolutely no. No because the monster court it's just they throw to chainsaws into a pit and whoever comes out alive. I fe is the winner so correct correct. I take back everything I said because that that stamps do any good because really there's GonNa thrown into a pit with some John so I guess what I guess it's doing that learn practice would taint us. That's what I learned from this song practice. Yeah you're going to master coit make sure you're you really up on your chainsaw fighting. Yes yes and if you're wondering Monster Court is Saturday morning cartoon version. Yeah that's definitely. Yeah Harry Anderson Sin is now Harry. Anderson Bowl is a Centaur. Yeah he's like half full person. Yeah no that's a good point and markie post is still market. She's a monster. Why there's a whole lifetime movie about it right? Michael What'd July. I learned that if you're going to throw a Halloween party and you're going to have live music book. The crypt kicker five. Well in advance events like book them for next Halloween. They're going to be in high demand. They're the only band out there. Yes yeah yeah yeah so yeah if not. You'RE GONNA get stuck with eager and all places change that you know. I mean he's a good opener. Don't get me wrong young. Yeah the main act guys. Let's be honest here so all right well so much for listening. This has been the special Halloween episode of the story. Harry Song podcast did it. This is your first episode comeback. They're not all Halloween themed. Be Sure to follow us on the socials. Your twitter your instagram or facebook A five star review. If you can. We'd really appreciate it Dan Macaroni. I'm Rachel OAKES and I'm Michael. Gazelle comeback next time for another great story. Thank you for listening Good Bull love the dog. Our theme music was written

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Barbie's Big Makeover

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Barbie's Big Makeover

"N. p. r. this indicator from planet. Money i'm stacey vanik smith. The corona virus has transformed the economy in all kinds of ways. One of the big ways is buying stuff. Americans bought more stuff in twenty twenty than ever before. Big things like cars and tv's and computers in some little stuff. What your buddies name hull. This is you cure. She is for her dad. Michael pickett says you curious. Barbie love has only grown over the past year along with her collection. Of all things. Barbie barbie car house barbie bicycle barbie workout at the pg jobs That comes with the cell phone. The coffee coffee mug last year was a big one. for barbie. barbie was the top selling toy property. Twenty twenty leaving legos pop patrol hot wheels and even star wars and baby. Yoda in her dust. The thing is just five years ago. Barbie was a brand in crisis. Sales were in freefall. And the busty blonde seemed to be on the brink today on the shoe barbies. 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For mattel between two thousand eleven and two thousand fifteen barbies sales dropped by a third and for mattel's kelly. This was a full-on crisis. People say however barbie goes. That's how mattel goes and it looked like barbie was in danger of going bust. Mattel ceo ordered a big sweeping consumer study about barbie and kelly says the responses were not pretty everybody thought barbie was vaccinated and shallow. I mean i think they were partly shocked. Because barbie has so many professions Refused a doctor. And i think they really felt like that was enough to make little girl see it as aspirational and none of the little girls did seem to think it was aspirational. And then there was all the stuff about barbie's body. There were studies that were coming out over saying if barbie was expanded into human size. She wouldn't have enough room for a liver and she wouldn't be able to hold her head up. Those things feel important. Especially if you're going to be a doctor and have all these jobs mattel into full crisis mode barbie. She's too big to fail. This is lisa. Mcknight global head of barbie at mattel. She came on board at barbies. Darkest hour lease a new. That barbie needed an extreme makeover so their sleeves and started examining all things. Barbie giant headed vapid and super white. Though she was barbie was a commercial force worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Any change was risk to the economy doll. And to the entire company of mattel they had to get it right. The stakes were high. And of course we knew we needed diversity in two thousand fifteen lisa and her team introduced a new line of barbie fashion east. Dr wu it's fascinating star. You probably visually the fashion east. Had been almost all white with long straight hair. The new line of two dozen dolls had eight different skin tones and some curly hair options. But they were all still the lean liberalist barbies of your and lisa says that was the next thing they looked at. We needed body diversity. Really when we started to attack her body. If you will but attacking barbie's body was complicated. It meant making changes to everything. In the barbie verse. We had to make sure that our fashions fit every doll. Doll could fit again back into the dream house into our cars so it was really complex. Into doesn't sixteen. Mattel ruled out curvy barbie petite barbie and tall barbie. The new dolls were well received. Sales started to pick up and lisa says her team pushed further. We have a barbie in a wheelchair or if he bid ally go. I mean the fact that the team was able to capture that skin condition in a product is it's really. She's beautiful leases. There are around. One hundred and seventy-five barbie dolls right now. And it's the most diverse doll line in the marketplace. Of course looks. Were only part of the equation. A lot of the problems. That consumers had with barbie had to do with her personality. She was viewed as too perfect unrelatable. We started to break that down. We started to have her become vulnerable. Mattel beefed up barbies. Youtube channel and animated. Barbie now does frequent video posts from her extremely pink bedroom. This is for kids so a lot of the content is entertaining. She might be doing. Diy activities teaching a new dance but she also talks about having a bad day feeling sad. The youtube channel was a hit. Kids and parents liked barbies. Curated real talk. And then the pandemic hit kids were suddenly home from school and parents began desperately buying toys and games and videos to entertain them demand for all things. Barbie went nuts says lisa so we started to advertise and market when a barbies iconic items. The dream house. It's a two hundred dollar. You know suggested retail items. So it's a big gift and it's usually a holiday gift. The dream house took off. And i think we sold a dream house a minute last year. Mattel doubled down on barbies flog. Barbie and over friends went into quarantine. The talked about wearing masks missing their friends and even social issues. Hey everybody hey everyone. This is barbie. And her black friends nikki. In one of the blogs that went viral last year talking about the black lives matter movement and racism. People might think that my life looks fine but the truth is i am so many other black people have to deal with racism all the time. It's really hurtful. And it can be scary and sad. And i wanted to share some stories about that today. Mattel got lots of kudos for this video. It was held up as a model for how to start talking about issues of race with young children. By the end of last year barbies blog had ten million subscribers. And mattel had sold nearly one and a half billion dollars worth of all things barbie and the inclusive barbies were leading the pack. One of the top selling barbies of twenty twenty barbara. Who came with a wheelchair. Another mega hit a maya angelou. Barbie made in honor of history month sold out almost immediately mattel's total makeover had worked. Kids loved the new inclusive barbies and so did parents. Michael pickett father of four year old barbie enthusiast gikia says he has noticed the changes that barbies been making and he's been pretty impressed traditionally though uses this pretty blind. Who did really do anything. You know Nothing construct and had a boyfriend. I'm sorry really new. In so as i begin to see the program. Barbie definitely evolved into a role model. Even offset delay. Okay barbies different. Mattel's plan is to do to barbie. What disney has done with marvel superheroes kind of barbie multi-diverse that will feature dozens of new shows and specials featuring barbie and her little sister and her friends and of course can he has been on his own. 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TKC 659 Ann Rittenberg

The Kindle Chronicles

55:53 min | 4 months ago

TKC 659 Ann Rittenberg

"Hi this is land. Welcome to the kindle chronicles podcast. I wish you could see the view from my window here looking out the bedroom across what i call alligator pond at the dunes golf and tennis club here in santa bill. The sky is still got some orange to it looking past the palm trees. I'm feeling not steles. Gic preemptive nust nostlagia yes because we will be on the road and twelve days This time twelve days from now. We'll be hopefully at our hotel jacksonville on our way back up to cambridge So this is the penultimate. Show that i'll record in santa bell one more record next week and then it'll be back to cambridge. This week's show includes my conversation with an written berg. She's an old friend of mine. Who turned out to be the literary agent for cj box. Who was my guest two weeks ago so this is a good opportunity just to sort of see the other half of the equation when you've cut a really successful author like cj chuck box in his joe pickett series and then a very talented experienced literary agent in new york. How did they get together. How did she help his career. what does she think about amazon publishing. Whoops that's a question i think. In retrospect i might have decided not to ask her. But you'll you'll be able to judge that when you hear it a tough technical project this podcast and you'll hear about that too but Short-form is three years. The way through the internet here at the rental home just died. And i was just trying to. I was scrambling fast to figure out how i was going to get back in and finish our conversation. We're also going to hear some news about amazon's initiative in healthcare. I think that that is the doctor amazon segment. And we're gonna talk about the nook. We haven't talked about the bars. Noble nook for a long time. But dan campbell. Sent me a piece that made me think. Maybe there's life in the nook and that's that's kinda cool. I'm for that tech tip. That will be of interest. If you've ever put a book up for sale at kindle direct publishing and Let's see what else have we get. That's about it oh Toward the end of the interview. I'm going to keep you in suspense as to who will play. Joe pickett in the tv series. Which is now being filmed in calgary. That news broke yesterday. After i spoke with andrew berg. Let's get started. i want to talk about is. I have a link to the article that i was learning about it from chain store age by dan burton home. That was on wednesday march seventeenth saint patrick's day amazon care is the entity within amazon that has virtual and in person medical service. Now i remember when this was piloted back in september twenty nineteen. It was limited to amazon employees and families in washington state so it was a fairly small population of people that were having the benefit of this experiment in medical care. The article says that amazon. This summer is going to expand the virtual care. Part of this to other companies and amazon employees nationwide and the in person part of it is going to expand to washington dc baltimore and other cities quote in the coming months so the virtual part of it enables participating employees to connect by chat or video with care provider nurse or doctor. And there's an app of some kind that has in app messaging videos You will be able to connect within sixty seconds. That sounds familiar. Doesn't if you've ever called amazon for help you usually talk to somebody in sixty seconds and as this gets rolled out you'll be able to talk to a doctor or a nurse in sixty seconds and get some kind of information now if someone needs to see you in person that will be another aspect of it. Someone will come to your home and as they're coming to your home you'll be getting live updates on the estimated time of arrival. This is the. I remember house calls. When i was a kid in new england doctor mac would come over from concord with his black bag house calls. And just sort of something from andy of mayberry. Well it may be coming back and as part of amazon care. There's also going to be a wellness aspects of nutrition pregnancy. Planning sexual health smoking cessation. And it's going to include follow up visits scheduled with a preferred clinician. After the care that you get they'll be care some reason. Follow up reminders So this got all kinds of intriguing amazonian type elements to it. It comes after of bold initiative by amazon berkshire-hathaway j. p. morgan. After three years sort of petered out it was actually ended in january of this year they announced it and i think it was shut down by the end of february are fifty seven employees. It was based in boston. And so the three companies trying to work together. That apparently just didn't work. It seems like maybe. The three companies had to great differences among cultures. Or what they were willing to do. So now these haven employees. Maybe you're going to get distributed among the three companies. I think is a good sign. Because it doesn't surprise me. That amazon might be going at. Its own pace on something like this. And if everything had to be cleared with two other entities that would slow it down So it doesn't surprise me that some exciting things are being announced fairly quickly after haven was shut down. Would you take advantage of amazon care. I think i would go. I'm not employed. So i'm not gonna be able to have an employer that's doing it but you know maybe this gets to be prime health and it's the next thing that you get when you sign on for prime And i've got my halo band on here that can tell me How how. I'm sounding based on the tone of my voice and how i'm sleeping and how will i'm working out. Maybe there's a halo ban that can send even more information to amazon. Who's connected to my doctor. So i see only upside to this. And if there's a chance for me to participate in it somehow. I am certainly going to do it. Second news story. This comes from the verge yesterday. March eighteenth article by hyme garden. Berg a barnes and noble convert confirmed to the verge that despite being out of stock of the nook and that goes all the way back to the summer they plan to resume salesman new units. Arrive later this spring. And apparently there's going to be a new nook tablet designed with lenovo that is going to be revealed perhaps next week there. I've lost track of the nook when it first came out. I thought out boy this. Could this be something. That takes it to the kindle and confess that when the nook i came out i i was worried that i was gonna get stuck with a podcast called the kindle chronicles and what if the nook one won the battle you know and that's when i created the reading edge podcast and i thought you know i'll i'll have a plan b. here if this happens and as it turned out the chemical took care of the quite handily and now it's just sort of a memory but it comes back and new leadership at barnes and noble after the pandemic. It's the things going and there's a chance for people to get a new updated. I think that's all to the good. I think it puts a little heat on the kindle. Team they famously responded customers not competitors. But you know. I i think you. You'd probably keep an eye on what somebody making. A product is similar to the kindle as the nook is and what they're doing and Not that they need a lot of motivation to keep the kindle getting better all the time but it certainly doesn't hurt so somebody who's a fan of e books and reading. I think it's kinda great. If there's a new nook and some i might just buy once. He was like at third story amazon. Fresh link you in the show notes to a story from bloomberg that really lays this all out. I'll give you just the highlights. Apparently amazon is is building out this amazon. Fresh grocery chain They've opened eleven amazon fresh stores around the us and they have plans to release twenty eight more. These are for mainstream shoppers. Not the whole foods crowd and the first one opened up in los angeles in september store number eleven open thursday and the stories quoting sources as saying they're twenty eight more from philadelphia to the sacramento suburbs. And they're also testing the just walkout cashier. 'less shopping technology At one of the amazon fresh locations in illinois. So this is kind of quiet but significant. These are big numbers. Twenty eight more stories big stores and if they start having a lot of technology in them they had these kind of go karts where your shopping basket is. Sort of figuring out what you're putting in it and that sounds pretty good and and they're going to be going after a larger segment of grocery shoppers because low prices and just how their position on the self is more than middle market than the upscale whole foods market. So that'll be fun. To watch the tip. There is an item to dan. Campbell sent in to me from gizmodo article by john. Biggs on march seventeenth. This has to do with submitting an e book manuscript to kindle direct publishing to publish on kindle. Now this is something we've been able to ever since the kindle was introduced in two thousand seven and it just keeps getting better and better than been lots of changes and improvements. I think it's the kind of activity when i've done e books. I did one for my father. And now i'm working with my friend ben. Beach on one for my mother We've turned the formatting of this over to a wonderful woman that helps us. Rachel green and she does all this stuff of making the chapters. Look good and all that at one point. I thought i should learn how to do this stuff. Well there's really no reason to and it's it's very reasonable costs to have somebody Make these changes. But for rachel and for other people who are doing that themselves. There's a quite a significant change coming. Effective june twenty eighth. It used to be that Moby would be a filed that you would upload your manuscript in and and this would create flammable tech so in other words if the readers using larger font than it just flows and everything is. It's not like a pdf. That's up fixed layout well. There were problems with the moby format. I think that goes way back in e book history and starting january twenty eighth. They're asking publishers to use epa. Kpfk kindle create files or doc slash x. that's the microsoft word files that if when you upload your manuscript us one of those three e pub is kind of a standard e book format. That's been around for a long time and it's crowd sourced it's it's A lot of people helped keep it up to date So that's a good one that a lot of people use and rachel said that she had plan to give me a doc x. Documents so that when i tried to get this into kindle format using katie p. That's what i'd be using so those are going to be a change in what she's doing in our current book this book that we're working on it it's going to be private. It's it's for family and friends and so we'll be working through katie p to just get some published as a way to do this so that we can use the tools of that without actually having this book show up on amazon dot com for sale. Because that's not the point of it And i'm looking for a kindle version of it. The rachel will provide that i can simply sanded won't have any kind of digital rights management. Dram on it. So family members that want a kindle copy to read on an ipad and there's photos in it. it's really nicely done. it's a beautiful story of my mother's life at bent's put together a last night. I had the idea. i did I think eight recordings with mom about ten years ago in the library downstairs at their home in cambridge just talking about her life and and they're just wonderful and she's telling the stories and it's her voice and ben used a lot of those audio recordings in writing the book so i thought i i've asked rachel if i'm going to send someone a file with this book i would love to have the file include audio for those eight interviews. That would be in some kind of an appendix and. I don't think it would make a huge file but that'll be something that i'll have to find out if so maybe i would have links to where i store them in the amazon cloud so if somebody wanted to take simply download those files at the end of the book and and here here. My mother's voice that that would be really nice enhancement to reading the book and book form. So we're getting closer trying to get this done by april twenty ninth. When my mother would have been ninety two years old she passed. It'll be two years ago in august. And this is going to be a wonderful recollection of her drawing on family and friends and people that have lots of different stories but they clearly described the same amazing woman. My mother lois styles age really time now for the interview and written burg is the literary agent whom. Cj chuck box chose eighteen years ago when this dissatisfied with his asian at the time he went shopping in new york city for someone to represent his work at the time chuck had published the first three of his wyoming game warden. Joe pickett novels As a client of the renberg literary agency he has since then published eighteen. More joe pickett novels. The most recent one dark sky debut two weeks ago at number three on the combined print and e book new york times bestseller list. Before i play the interview for you. I want to give you some background on the trials that went into bringing it to you at about three quarters of the way through my internet service here at the rented house on san about just failed and all of a sudden Everything was dead. And i was left scratching my head trying to figure out. How am i going to resume this conversation. Which we're right in the middle of rolling right along at a very minor way. I felt like i was the apollo thirteen capsule crew trying to figure out how to get back to earth. So what i did was. I ended up setting up a wifi hotspot on my iphone and that enabled my laptop to connect via skype to ends landline in new york. And you'll hear the interruption. And then when i talked to her daughter grace of the phone i think they're probably glad they wondered probably if they'd ever hear me kids so there's a second part of it that gets resumed that way as a result of this you'll notice a different audio quality in the second part of the interview And you're also going to hear us mention a talk that and gave at the bennington. Mfa program in two thousand two. Now i was an mfa student poetry there at the time and i suggested to the program director. Liam rector that. I thought an would be a terrific speaker. I knew her at the time Sharing her observations as an agent for people that were there to learn how to be writers have careers as writers. Hopefully least some of them she great and she has the text of it at her website. Written lit dot com. Rit l. i. T. dot com. And i'll have a link to it in the show notes. After our conversation there was indeed some late breaking news about plans for the tv series based on the joe pickett novels. I'll tell you about that. At the end of the interview. I reached down on wednesday march seventeenth at her office in the manhattan financial district. I began by asking her house. Ej boxes latest. Joe pick novel dark. Sky is selling since its released two weeks ago on march second. The numbers are very strong. I mean i think they're up twenty percents of we're all all accounts and it's been getting wonderful reception in reviews sarah so we're else. It's such a strong book now. it's up twenty percent. That's what compared with what facebook a year ago. Wow and then it debuted at number three on the new york times e and paper a number four hundred hardcover land. of course. They wanted it to be her. We took it now interesting though that because the new york times. If data from certain stores are independent bookstores that report to them trotz tours in the past have always as with most bestselling authors in the first week are heavily concentrated on the new york times reporting stores so the numbers are way up. He wasn't making appearances. And i don't know how many occurs they have fewer independent bookstores. Now did a year ago prevails. books are up. Both stores themselves are down so i think that affected that us very strong tenders. I mean sisters soldier awesome. Wonderful sell does a great great great company. We're all happy and this was the first time he hasn't been heading out on a tour when a book was published so that could have easily affected as you say the the bestseller counting by the new york times number one at apple pretty high up at usa publisher sleekly so the sales are fantastic. We should be happier. It's a great book. I don't know if you had a chance to read it. But there is a wolverine. Seen that just makes you jump out of your skin of. It's pretty good. It's the hoovering in a cave. Seen i could summon a nightmare scenario. Well now i think when we were setting things up it felt like news of who was going to play joe. Picking the tv series could drop anytime still waiting for the publicists on that end to make the announcement. I should ask that but as of last night the spectrum which is the but the judge takes series is going to be on charter. Communications which is a spectrum company and they have prepared properly the now But they haven't released it yet and until they do. We can't i think if your listeners Simply do a google search or dateline. I think daylight hollywood or somebody was poised to break the story so we saw keep an eye on that came out of the last hour because well i catch up with the because this won't be up till friday so if we get news between now and then i'll just weave it into the show. Yeah we'll say late breaking news here. Let's talk a little bit about dark. Sky set the stage. Who's joe pickett. What's he doing in this book. I just wanna make sure everybody has some ideas of the book that we're talking about and then go on to the other larger subjects. It is a game. Wouldn't in miami and he has had various territories index. I'd governor has asked him to accompany a tact billionaire on his kind of nature wilderness trip. He billionaire does a different challenging thing. Every year this series decided he wants to go into the wilderness in miami. The governor wants to get well because there are a server. Contracts are at stake and Joe ticket well. This particular governor doesn't always like joe is extremely reliable. So he's chosen to do this and things around credit ripley. Nah no joe overcomes a lot of obstacles in this story. what did he say Sort of a bare bones story. It's like man and wilderness and being hunted at its hundred. I'm interested in your memory of when you first heard about. Cj box chuck box He is he tells it he published three of the joe pickets novels. He was not satisfied with his then agent so he came to new york and interviewed agents which was sort of the reverse of the way i thought it usually worked but it is and then he was impressed. Because you had read his books and you had An understanding of his writing and his potential career. But what's your memory of the first time you heard a cj box and how you met him and how the relationship started actually had heard from found is editor now is an executive at arms another but then works at berkeley. Which is paperback division of putnam names. Martha bush tile at martha. And i were friends. She was very excited about this author. She was out shamed his reaching out to me. Didn't come through her. I got a letter from him. Sure listen Two thousand three restarted number. That as i was just about to leave for paris desolate la. Hey because They were about to publish shatter islands. Yeah i think so. And the film of mystic river was about somehow because i also came out in two thousand three and so we went to paris on thursday we met with the publisher and publicist outlined jassam schedule. And then to me and said you go into a paris. We'll see you at dinner and this happened every day for a week and i also had some time to read so i read a three swimmers in paris than we also went to stockholm for awhile after that came back and i met with chuck and his wife lori. They're very much a team. And just as joe pickett in his life mary basser very messy and while we had some things in thailand for instance we chancery daughters which include once Santon at a pair of twins may also. We had this wonderful moment where i had said to him. I've looked at your contracts in your record. And i think i could do more chuck and larry said well. It said you could do better for us. What what are some of the things you would do. I said i won't be able to tell you that until the assignments may head of quite like that. Plus the fact that i had read books i learned that my esteemed colleagues but my former boss. Julian bocuse the call. Your friendly competitors had read. I think chuck interviewed for five other major agents know that. Read any of the box. Wow so you get a leg up with that. There's you know your story about. You're not going to tell what you're going to do until you sign him in wyoming. I remember with fondness. Was some real pride about the cowboy way. And i think you were maybe showing a little little bit of the way right there. A toughness that miami toughness have something in common. You see on your website that you. I think you talked on the bench and talk to you. Don't just represent a book. You represent an author and their career and so when someone like chuck shows up has published three books. Get a start. How how can you look. Can you look twenty years down the road and see twenty one books. What's the shape of a career that you saw in that instance based on reading the three books i love the. You're reading joe pickup books in paris such as kind of nice setpiece there But what did you see. What what do you plan to help him do shaping. His career well versa. Kim let twenty years. But i had an influential mentors and one of them was packing up. Who's the son of alfred. And he wants pointed out a he. Sad about an author. I represented is a producer. Go far and i realize pats experience not a land the son of two major american publishing titans but also as a bookseller he had he had been a sales rep for two. He understood that to build a career as published officer. Met regularly getting those books out. Michael crowley is another example of that. Philip roth wasn't example of ease. Lord if you look at dickins f scott fitzgerald even though sadly not as many as we would have liked These these people succeeded not on the basis of one but every once in a while they were working. Writers are working riders. And so when. I saw that this writer had produced three books in the air and he had started as journalists. Now that doesn't always translate because journalists are taught to stories in the amid which is you lake. With the most important benefit journalists they turned to fiction have no concept of tension because they start with the subway anyway but the fact of his house as a journalist at the fact that he could write action that was compelling told me that he would be a good candidate for successful career plus. I just really liked him. I liked the book a lot. So i thought well if we can keep them on track and teeth. The publisher up each time really pushing him forward than i think. We can. All have had a success but one step at a time. I don't look too far ahead. Yeah exactly. I've had a chance to talk to dean kootz. A few times and his is an interesting parallel because obviously has produced a lot of books and sold a lot of books but has had less willingness to take a character like jane hawk was one of his most recent ones and go beyond like five or six books in a series to just keep doing them and he's he's expressed some Feeling of i don't know if it's being trapped but he really likes doing a standalone novel where he can he can create the whole story. You know a fresh. I asked chuck. How how many more joe pickett stories do you think you have in you. And he had interesting sort of nuance. Houston you know. There will come a point where it feels like. I'm just repeating myself or i'm not able to have this vehicle of this character be satisfying to write about. But you must have seen that kind of point in a lot of other authors. As to. when's the right time to decide that a series is done. And you're going to do the next thing in your career. Totally various author macaque with. I don't think it's fascinating and all that right about staying character Dean koontz has shown. Is that certainly. I think that if they're not continually curious about this character and fascinated by where he might take her then they shouldn't continue with them in case he's still interested in what joe might start doing. Let travel he might get into a new and he'll he might offend away. Which i always joy that part yes. He likes to take kind of topical issues like the dangers of social media. And he said you know. Wyoming is kind of a hotbed of bitcoin development and blockchain and. I think that you could imagine joe. Pickett getting in the middle of some effort to transform oil rig pads to Bitcoin mining facilities and probably probably be a murder and that somewhere along the line but that seems to be a way that he keeps it fresh. It's the same guy but he tackles new topics each time in love range. She was slipping at the cat family. Long range of rifles with extremely long shooting range and in earlier. Books co. Bendy farms. He's looked at speaking of server farms at the development of says gee fighter faces at. I remember a few about his first the rich trying to reference the black footed ferret road. So it's always very separate issue set in this place. Where in many ways they're Mores such as the cowboy way. They're sort of independence. Independent minded is is a is a different time on us idealized. It's really a wonderful place. Slamming it is. It is yeah. It's a little bit back in time. It's beautiful to for sure. He's published in twenty seven languages. What's the number two language. In number of books to english that he's published in japanese ruid publisher and uh-huh and my associate the head fired writes my agency yonker and i were just testing the london book fair which we attending chilly but I think it's a little too. Jim butler talking about where we need to find out whether big side which is on disney plus in other parts of the world where it is that make a difference in terms of where chats next say dark skies published in japanese. Is the character still named joe. Pickett or do they. Does he get kind of a japanese name. They keep this name. What are some languages that there's very few books published. But it still counts as one of the twenty-seven languages that you can eat it in simplified chinese I remember those languages though. That's funny a lotta languages levi still have sold in sedan and sinhalese i. Where are they the islands in the pacific. Oh yeah it's malaysian well. Chuck is her. The reason we're talking about you've got sixty one clients that are listed And it's you and rosie. How do you keep track of that. Many authors. All the different deadlines that might be approaching same pace at the same time. So those are the lets. You can count on my website. Some of those people aren't ready and more. Some of them are just books as third scariest might look. I saw one. Paul dwyer iron. Is that how you said. His character is a game warden at the maine warden service i wonder. Have you gotten to be a specialist authors who write about game wardens or those. The only two love to have if the game when series. I know it's surprising as a new york city through through lady i love going into the wilderness. These guys it's just such a great armchair has pastime at i. Don i wrote to me. The i was already representing. Cj box and he said would you mind having another game would not at all also had house name. So i really enjoy forays into the main wilderness. In the main backwoods. Because i'm not gonna go. I mean no up there to a rustic county with the moose recruiters so character might also encounters in temper. Okay here's where the internet goes and you can imagine someone frantically spending two minutes or so Trying to figure out how to get the conversation hooked back between santa bell and new york city. Oh greece this leonard. -sually the internet died on enemy. And i think i can finish up if she could just pick up this line and we'll talk by phone for a few more minutes if that's possible totally let me you. You're trying to run a podcast and you're in internet. I'd i know we're we're in a rental down here on santa bell and at some point the turtle eight. The cable across from fort myers suspend been a nightmare. But anyway we finish up with a few more minutes here. I'm on scaping. You're on a landline. So that that'll work if not. We'll switch the dixie cups. Well i i wanted to finish up. I was so glad that you had the copy of your talk at bennington on your website. Because i found myself. I wish they'd taken notes. I wish i could recall some of it. But it's a great talk and you were talking in. Let's see two thousand two to a lot of aspiring writers in the mfa program at pennington and one of the things that you said based on fifteen years of experience being agent at that point was that the one quality that you've noticed in writers that would determine the chances that they were going to succeed as the ability to overcome interference from an internal tribunal question. Them you know doing this and then actually dig into characters and human characteristics in a risky way based on their own lives. Do you still see that. As sort of the best way to perceive success in a writer if they have that quality to overcome their internal tribunal am in quality of. I how talk was added more to that. It was also. I talked about being an outsider. Which is probably the first thing i think in fact going back to c. j. box literally were meeting those years ago to discuss his career at first he actually said well. The only thing is that. I'm not an outsider. I from wyoming and i live in miami and and i said with all due respect. You're a writer who grew up on a ranch. I'm sorry but you're an outsider and he laughs at it. It was true. So i think that that the it is important to to look at inside and and human nature that way. I'm as an outsider. You're an observer. It's kind of like year looking with x ray vision at the people who are inside. It's hard to describe. I just feel it. And i see it and it's an offensively and in a writer's voice that's that comes through that's very important. It's not listening to other voices telling it what to say or what to think what to do. Really important characteristic. I've interviewed people from amazon publishing cleese of the authors. Have any of your clients placed books with amazon publishing in the last well since it started ten years ago that yeah any different ways of dealing with an agent and an author with amazon publishing compared with other publishers. That you've dealt with. I like the phrase traditional tablet. Shame because that's a phrase kind by amazon and it's just such a leads people's minds and just such a bad direction The second of all my experience with them. Well i embrace each of the individual editors and the employees there. I've worked with. And i think the real great as a whole as a publisher. They are far from wonderful. They do not interact with the author in a way that promotes you know. Sort of a partnership moving forward. They are Very data driven company. Which is their genius. And they rely heavily on data to move things forward and they they do take the speaking of outsiders the kind of outsider stance lead on have to do things the way publishers do things. But i'm not asking for that. But i am asking for some Some creativity and some you know some understanding of how book sign their audience. And it's not just about two numbers. So i haven't really. I can't say that. I've enjoyed an have found them to be super fantastic in publishing writers. I mean the first time. I had somebody published by them. I had to instruct them on the use of the back of a book. Cover the back. They had a bank that cover. And i just said you are wasting billboards face. That's the you know. Book is an ad for itself. If you don't have reviews excerpts from the author's previous books or a short description. I don't like long descriptions something to as a as a thinking how you stand in a bookstore and pick up a book you look at the front you look at the back you open it. It's if you see nothing on the back it's sort of like you're stopped dead. They had no understanding of the important to that because they were used to looking at books on a screen. And that's only the front cover interesting. That's surprising given their own bookstores. now and they're they're they're displaying their books face out all of their stores. So there's some. They've learned some family before they they had Brisk bricks and mortar store. But there were certain things that it was just sort of surprising to teach leave you know. A lot of our job is sort of instructing them on let book is so yeah with all of the relationships. You've had with writers publishers the whole world. have you written a novel yourself. You're pretty good writer. It shows on your website. I absolutely zero point. Zero zero interest in writing. And i did colorado book. Fm w publications asked me to write a book called your first novel. And i asked one of my clients to write it with me. She wrote the first ten chapters on right. Ain't and i wrote the second ten on getting published and it was agony. Although i will say that you spend as a writer yourself you know if you spend about three or four hours writing and that's a day's work and that is probably the most assigned day's work. I've ever had weird way. Even though i would never do it voluntarily. A fiction is a craft. That is not i the the novice. You'd really have to be doing it and getting better at it for a long time. I called it ten years. And then malcolm glad mel stole my idea and called it. The ten thousand hours but It's a really a demanding crafts but a very obviously very satisfying. But it takes time. I mean i always say that I could make a chair and you would look at it and agree that it was a chair would have four legs the seat at a back but you would not want to sit in it and you would not want it in your home. It would not be something that anyone would want to display. And i think that's the same thing we get manuscripts from people have always wanted to write and they write a novel it took them a year they send it to us and it looks like a novel. It's pay three hundred pages divided into chapters but it is into novel because it just needs more time. So i think it's a noble craft and i much prefer being the You know the person who loves and appreciates books. I think that most people in palestine. I think it's a misconception that we all secretly want to be writers. We don't have yeah. You have is keen awareness of the obstacles as anybody you see. We know how the sausage is made. So it takes a test person to stay in the business and fair writer and There are some there are definitely some wonderful writers among our race but most of us are happy. Doing what we do. And it's very all consuming to do it. We didn't you really can't have another. It's very hard to have another career when you're doing this sense what's gonna big publication dates coming up some of your other authors this month or the next few weeks. The reliable to make a splash pulled wines. New book is going to come out in summer. Says dark guy just came out is writing a new book but it won't be out this year. Although his published his mystic river just had its twentieth anniversary so his publisher is re releasing all of his backlist. When one one per month this year which has been wonderful Cj boxes first novel open season will be celebrating. Its twentieth anniversary later. this year. the publishers. Kind of tying that into the launch of the joe pickett tv series in their publicity plans. So i tend to have. My list is pretty small. Because i concentrate on getting writers who repeat year after year so i don't have a lot of different projects coming out at the same time are just mostly would be one offs and that's not my business plan. We do have a wonderful book. That's been out from chronicle for a year or two called the field guide to dumb birds of north america. Which is why this is rosie's project. It's one of the funniest books i've ever read about. One hundred thousand copies and the author is working on the follow up. Which is the field guide to number of all stupid world fat. So that's been a. That's been good fun fantastic. I'm sure your work day has changed during the pandemic. i think you said you haven't had in person meeting and anybody in the publishing business for a while other parts of it. You're gonna miss when we go back to quote normal. And how does your approach to. Your work changed from having lived through this terrible year. Oh that's great I think it's just all miss the extra time and the time to sort of slow down work is busy but it's not rushing all over town anymore so it's been kind of great. New york is nice and quiet. We've been enjoying having it to ourselves but we have gotten to the point where we would give anything to be a really large crowded noisy restaurants right now. Followed by a broadway show. I would love to be doing that. I am finally going to have my first in person meeting and more than a year Next week because the editor. Let's see my meeting. And i suppose finally got vaccinations so we can get together Yeah i definitely. There's a lot of stuff. I'll miss. But i'm getting to the point where i'm ready for things to be normal. I also did get to spend a lot more time in maine in the last year than i normally do so. That was quite beautiful. That's always good. I have been speaking with an written berg founder and president of the handwritten burr glittery agency in new york city. Thanks very much and thank you. Well if you're a longtime listener you you might be able to imagine that. I was considering. A number of follow-up questions as an with sharing her unflattering impressions of amazon publishing. I am a huge fan of amazon publishing and my reasons begin with e book. Prices seem sane and fair to me compared with those of the big five. I also appreciate amazon's leadership and translating bestselling books from other into english and the youth and dynamism of apep editorial and marketing teams. I know a lot of people there. like him. impressed by them. also dean kootz and brad parks successful authors. Who left big five. Publishers to sign with amazon have reinforced my appreciation of publishing with their own personal experiences Which they've shared in interviews here on the show kunz in particular Just can't be happier with the amazon team from the creativity of the marketing to the superior quality of the hardcover versions of his books which he finds outstanding compared to the way his books published before and innovative designed with things like kindle emotion effects on the books you know it may be my age or appearance. Hannibal but i didn't feel compelled to end such a pleasant conversation with an old friend by getting into a point. Counterpoint exchange on the topic of amazon publishing. I sometimes forget what a trigger amazon still is in new york publishing circles. And i guess. I can understand why. The term traditional publishers rankles in new york. I was glad she pointed that out. That was intriguing in recent years. I've nearly forgotten the difference between the big five and a pub. And as i've had a chance to interview authors from many different publishing houses what what counts is a good story. No matter who's imprint is on the copyright page after. I stopped the recording and promised to put me in touch with the publicist for Paul dohrn the author of the maine game wardens series that she mentioned and that happened immediately. And i look forward to talking with paul. Perhaps in person sometime this summer When his next book comes out he lives not far away from where we'll be at ocean park maine now drum roll. Who played joe. Pickett spectrum originals announced that they've given a ten episode order to joe pick it and it's an hour long drama series based on cj boxes bestselling novels and the actor. Is michael dorman. He has been tapped for the title role Paramount studios doing it. Dormant is a new zealand born actor and musician. Who can currently be seen in apple's for all mankind on the features side most recently starred opposite elizabeth moss in universal's the invisible man and he recently starred in amazon's critically acclaimed steve. Conrad comedy-drama patriot. Where he also showcased his musical talents. He looks like matt damon. I he kind of looks like joe pickett to me too. He just looks like a sturdy guy and Chuck said he hoped it wasn't some big flashy star from hollywood's somebody that can play the role of just an ordinary game warden. The has solved all kinds of crimes. And done all kinds of great stuff in twenty one books so It looks like a good choice. Congratulations to chuck his wife lori. And their high energy new york agent and written berg on the new series next week. My last interview here in santa bill will be talking with the town. Manager judy's camera. She has been town manager for about twenty years now and She's a great storyteller. I've heard and i'm really looking forward to hearing more about santa belt from her darlene and i will record the last session here. Just before we head up to cambridge so We recorded a session. We i got down here for months ago and we're going to have a chance to say. Well what what. What did we learn here. What would has the santa bella experience been like i tell you it's gone by awfully fast. Four months just seemed like it was forever. Stay and now. We're headed back and so grateful for this time here. It's a beautiful place and we've had a wonderful time with durling sister deb with us and living in three different places and thinking about. Maybe there might be future for us here as a place for a second home eventually. I'm going to do a clubhouse room tomorrow. Saturday march twentieth at four. pm eastern time again. We're gonna talk about the interview. We can talk about doc dr amazon. All the things in the show We had a great conversation last week for about seven of us from all over from England to british columbia and inbetween and spent an hour talking about the show fund. I really enjoyed it so I have more invites. So i think i've got five invites now. So if you want a clubhouse invite just send me an email pod chronicles at gmail.com. And then i can get choked up in time. I hope for you to stop by the room. And i've also created a club on clubhouse called the reading edge which enables me to reach out. Let people know when we're doing things like this. If you email me with a request for an invite please include a cell phone number. They don't publish it anywhere but somehow they use that to Make sure that they're legitimate. People are joining the rolling. It out carefully which i think makes sense so i'll just send these advice of the first five people i hear from and please be sure to include your cell phone number. Thanks for listening bye.

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Interview with Wayne Motts, CEO of the National Civil War Museum

Tales of American History

40:31 min | 1 year ago

Interview with Wayne Motts, CEO of the National Civil War Museum

"Welcome to the tales of American history. The witnessing him found -ation podcast. Educating Americans to you understand the history of their country and of other countries so that they will appreciate the value of America's unique free institutions. Take a journey back through time with Ken masterson Brown and his guests and let their storytelling transport you to the most compelling pulling moments in American history become an American hero who participates in our mission by joining us at witnessing history dot org org download our documentaries and free teacher education materials that conform to grade level education standards at PBS learning learning dot. Org follow witnessing history on facebook twitter and linked in. I'd like to welcome Wayne. MOTT's what's from place. We're both very familiar with Gettysburg Pennsylvania to our podcast. Here Wayne Welcome. Well thank you. Can't it's real honor to be here with you Wayne Besides being a thirty year veteran licensed guide on the Gettysburg Org. Battlefield is the chief executive officer of the National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. And and Wayne tell our viewers a little bit about that. Museum One what if you if you walked into to it from the front door. What kind of things would you see? What kind of things does it house and let them know about about it well? Thanks can't very much watch so the National Civil War Museum headquartered in the state capital Pennsylvania in Harrisburg. It's thirty nine miles north of the Gettysburg. Battlefield it is a tremendous facility. Thirty sixty five thousand square feet of space. It's one of the largest museums in the country for this John. Laura and the museum the houses I think one of the finest collections of civil war artifacts anywhere in the world so it has about four thousand three dimensional objects in about twenty one thousand thousand archival objects items including paper photographs and we do the war from the beginning to the end. Start to finish others about thirty thousand square feet of educational space inside the museum. So when you walk in the door you see. A house. Divided the causes of the American American civil war. You go right in to the slavery issue you go into the first shot into the training. The army's into all the campaigns and then it has has some unusual things which I'm really proud of and I think those Don't get a lot of attention anywhere else. So the these would be the medical aspects of the civil war women. The civil war prisoners immigrants African American troops music. We've got a whole display on music or so. When you come visit this museum you get the entire civil war in a nutshell in really gives you the great context when you go visit Gettysburg the wilderness or any of these other places the context is is it? Nut need let me ask you. Are there any Special areas of that museum to you like the most. Yeah well it's it's So first of all. I'm a person that all my life have been interested in civil war. My family started military museum. I can I tell everyone when I took things to show and tell the Homeland Security would jail you today good jail I think. Luckily the principal senators Wayne. Forget about it. That's so all my life. I've been interested in artifacts and objects. My father had a set of. Diaries a belong to a civil war soldier killed four wagner ignorant and to me when I was a child. They're still in my family's possession. They've been in their possession for over sixty years so for me. I was Willie Wonka. He ended the keys to the chocolate factory. That's the best way I can describe it so every area the museum I enjoy and I like I especially like a The Arms Arman weapons and dress of the civil war soldiers. Because I think people often don't understand. What does the uniform look like? What do they disorders exterior? I like that. I like Lincoln Gallery of Special Gallery related to Abraham Lincoln in one of the things most proud of is when you come into that museum and the Museum Zim was constructed in two thousand opened up in two thousand eight hundred eighty. It's been around for eighteen years. You are addressed right up front with the causes of the civil war. Four and the slavery issue and I think that the national or museum may have been one of the first museums to put that right at the four stories of known for a century entry. In half you put it in the forefront to the education of the civil war. Yeah I'm pretty proud of of the scholars of course in people adviser I just on that content. Sure but I'm proud of how that's presented in the variety of its percent in the depth of it the comprehensiveness. Oh Wow wow well let me ask you. Are there special relics. You like yeah. I have many favourite. Tell us about a few so one of my favorites which I just did a little facebook video on ourselves for the museum. We have a diary in the museum that was carried by a soldier in the Twelfth Mississippi Regiment killed at the mule shoe so this die where he belonged to a fossil venue possibly mule shoe and he was killed killed may twelfth. I believe and diary was taken by a Union soldier so it's written in by confederates federate solter and in the second part of it he started a diary may nineteenth this union soldier dead and he was captured and ended up in the Andersonville and he survived his captivity. Giving but this is written by soldiers of both sides is a civil war and survived and tells the story about it us. That's one of my favorite piece is a one year diary. It is not even quite a year. It's a one diary and it starts in eighteen sixty four. Her has an accounting in the front of it is and I know you and your career seeing many of these diaries. You suppose a soldier who owes money or what precisely and and so that in the beginning pinpoint of its in pencil in so we've tried to track down some of that but that has to be i. I liked the things that are what I would say are the more common so we have. US grants spoon. For example. We have a Bible carry by Robert e Lee at the Chimera similar to swords owned by Jeb Stuart in the war but the things I like are the common sings a My friend Gary Edelman who works the American battlefield trump. He came out to visit me and he was most impressed. We have a shovel with the leather. SCABBARD shovel goes in and he said Wayne. I've seen thousands of photographs in those but I've never seen one in the flat and but it so in the museum collection we have an archival document which I have never never seen. I've only read about it a slave policy for Matt and a life and ring for a slave in South Carolina. Only read these things. I've never saw never seen one in I do. I came to the museum to letters from prisoners where postage was paid by both sides union and confederate stamps. which had to do in the civil war had only he ever read about it? I've never seen it. I've never seen anything all the things that are housed in a museum in some cases You you read about them but you don't actually see the yeah. I used to collect diaries Because one I like to use them in my writing sure particularly diaries that you know have never been used before in a publication. Remember one That I had I picked up years ago and I think I got it at Gettysburg at one of those great shows. You know in the summertime talk and it was a diary that was carried by a soldier in the one hundred twenty eight th Pennsylvania infantry at Antietam and he he fills it in all the way up until the morning of September seventeen and from there on an. It's an ink from there on. It's in pencil filled in by Georgian. Who took it out of his the Pennsylvanians pockets? He was killed and seeing the same story. Same Story Yeah and That was just a gem to me for so long and I used it it in some publications. But I used to love to do that. You'd find these and I had one from the sixty second. Pennsylvania remember and this is a he was a captain. His name was guard Gardner and I've been using it in my book because it's some of the most graphic descriptions of the fighting in the wheatfield. You could imagine so some of these just amazing just amazing We'll Continue besides the diaries. You have any other ephemera alike letters soldier letters. Many of those things in the archives in our job right now to try to get cataloged and get them transcribed using volunteer labour. Most people that come to the national civil war museum in Harrisburg today most of them come to see the museum. Ninety nine nine percent. Sure you can call and say hey do you have this specific thing. I'm working on that but we're hoping to get some finding AIDS and get. There's some of these things so you know if your scholar to come research into suborn museums right. We have a phenomenal archival collection. Manuscript Archives Diaries letters and correspondence from civil war anniversary universally untouched. They've not been used by anyone not because we don't want it to be used but we want to get them in in a catalog in such a way that people know they're they're they know they're finding aid. Yeah that's That's there so we have a lot of that material kid and almost all of it is unpublished. Almost all of its narrow. That's incredible arrest stuff. I Love I love that stuff. Tell me about uniforms. You have any What kind of beautiful? I know you have. What kind of uniforms do you have on display? Well we have From coach to Sacco's basic uniforms and the civil war we have some which are unidentified who wore them during the more. But we also have some famous coats and we have one that belong to Western theater. General George Meinie. He's buried in Nashville Tennessee. Sherman sure we have general maintenance code and we have another coat that belonged to General George Shearer screen. It's probably Armas frockcoat that we had really in the collection and it's wonderful shape wonderful shape code ridder general and wow wow uniform wives. That's that's really nice. We just recently got donations from uniform pieces. For one hundred fourteen Pennsylvania which was a masseuse outfit unit Zehr for Charles. Hd College options go. And when I'm trying to do or what we've been trying to do is we have all these things but unless we get 'em on display. We don't have a lot of time to do research there's infinite amounts what's of research job security. Let's go to the archives service records in pensions. Because there's a lot of personal stories we can get if we're able to get the research said that it's like the National Archives you've got thousands of these things and you have you know time is required. A Course to get the Internet has made it easier easier with newspaper articles and getting service records and things of that nature uniform of George Green. Is it a brigadier generals. It is it's brigadier generals coat it. I think it's the same one we believe. It's the one that he wore. These actions like Gettysburg We have a photograph of that taken from the National Archives. And I believe is the code. We have it. Has the velveteen cost shirts. Actually two we sure that we have breath. Of course his his actions at Gettysburg are nothing short of heroic Meade had to strip everything away from the Baltimore. Pike the Line of Supply and communication to the army and George in his one lone brigade. We're left and the guy spread them all out to try to occupy occupy the same ground the whole dag on corded and then got hit by four different confederate brigades and called in reinforcements silence from elsewhere. One by one these regiments come in. But he held him back. Just a remarkable remarkable thing. Well tell me what about confederate hedrick. Uniform pieces well General Maini's okay. Jones has well known that we have we have some some items of belong to General Pickett including sleeve that he was wearing a gaines mill when he was wounded We have a staff officers coat dotted disease. He's buried Hollywood cemetery and Richmond. So we've got a couple of couple of uniform. Confederate pieces are rare. As you know dinner dinner dinner there but we also have some interesting You know just regular uniform pieces and you often don't get to see the different shades. Agent colors of the uniform different types of fabric that remains especially for the confederates different shades and colors in both armies were there also and I'm the the chief executive officer I think in sometimes I'd rather be the curator but sometimes I have to go down and ask Brett Kelly or curator some of these questions because he certainly knows the collection at much better than I do. I've been there seven years and which meant everyday looking at that if I if I if I could. He's been curator religious before for the museum opens knows every piece really had and we work on high. But it just is fascinating when you I've seen the the the the the Film clip of you. And I think Gerry Edelman with Alonzo. Cushing's tell us about that so we have a bill in the national civil war museum Model Eighteen fifty one buckle and regular Brown bill With the name age. H cushing Alonzo cushing's belt and there's a photograph taken after the battle of not them in September of eighteen sixty two which you're aware of and if you download Dafur Library Very Congress in detail you can clearly see. He's got this eagle buckle. He's got a regular bill and I think it very well could be the ORG. Is that the one taken in the Eastwood's with the artillery officers. That's correct and you would know much more about this than I do. But there's one man on the porch which is a different one and I'm sure he's wearing a seat belt there when you look at that it looks a little different Center Staff Right Right which staff staff. There's one taken out in the field the one you're describing and if you enlarge that photograph you've got basically our belt about which is really neat and he's got his name inscribed on it and we actually Put that on loan to the National Park Service a year or two ago when they had a display display of Alonzo cushing's Medal of honor which President Obama awarded in two thousand fourteen. And ask us whether we would the parking they if we would loan the bill they he put it next to. The metal spider standing metal is going to be donated to get us for National Military Park. If they haven't already done so Jessica Lauren who is the one who received the medal okay. is a good friend and she told me that it When it was awarded there were members of the family? You can imagine this that began to kind of scrap over who would get it. Yeah and She said you know. Can't I thought about it once twice and I said Hell. It belongs at Gettysburg so she just game that's nice and was need. Is that That metal is Six months of the year is also displayed at West Point. Okay which is where he's buried a graduate class at June Sixteenth Mon- and I had a dear friend General Richard Treasury. He's a lieutenant general retired. He's now gone. I think but General Treasury was very interested in seeing Alonzo get awarded did that metal and he was on the war decorations board. Oh Wow okay. And he kept telling me he says can't and that metal is is finally awarded. It really should go to west point. And he says and they could put it over the entrance to the inner entrance to the library every cadet sees that and he almost got his wish Jessica gave it to Gettysburg and Gettysburg loans it to West Point for a period of time and then it comes back act so you get so you get the best of both protected. I mean any one of the families anywhere would have one member who just wants to get something off of it. You know what I mean right so here it is. It's just fabulous. She's a wonderful lady found a receptive person for me as a museum person. We're thinking control things one. It should be preserved into it. Shouldn't be preserved just a nobody has a chance of CNN ought to be interpreted viewed people ought to be able to see it right and unfortunately personally a lot of these family collections. You know what happened by disasters divorces. There's all these things happen in stuff goes to the four wins so it's wonderful that that stuff gets preserved should be an interpreted these play absolately and of course for those listeners. Here Alonzo cushing commanded a As a first lieutenant battery a of the fourth United States artillery Six three and Jordan's rifles at the angle at Gettysburg. It was the focal point of the Pickett's divisions attack against the Second Corps and. He was multiple times wounded before he who was killed in that and I'll tell you a story about when I was working on cushing's life I contacted contacted the A Little County Historical Society and Chautauqua County New York where he grew up and in Westfield New York and they told me you know. We don't know anything we have here about him in particular There are a few things in the public library in Fredonia but we do have an old trunk upstairs. That was a cushing trunk. And you're welcome to come up and take a look. Well I'll tell you wayne nine. That was a revelation to me on Friday afternoon around four o'clock in the afternoon so you're so you're in your core clock early in the morning. I'm getting a car in New York. I got to the to the old house where all this was and let it'd be in and I went up in the attic and from the time that place open like at eight thirty PM until three all I found. Were just bits and pieces. I was counting getting discouraged and I I kept digging and finally at the very bottom of that trunk was a great big envelope like a business is enveloped used to see an early and this business was stuffed and in Pencil on the outside at red. Alonzo's letters Oh torch and there were twenty six letters written by Alonzo cushing from the time. He was a second classmate at West Point all the way up until one month before he was killed and it just I. That's what I said. Hell I could write about him now. I can make him talk. So He's is near and dear to my heart but I've never seen that belt in the flesh and I put it on display. This might sometimes. Sometimes it's an original one time we didn't loan down to obviously with the items that we have at the national or museum were very causing the fact that some of these are rare especially the textiles. Some of these cannot be on display people often when they don't need things to museums they wonder how come my thing can't be on display all the time. Why can't just be out there all the time? We have to remind everyone that these items have a shelf life so to speak and We WanNa make sure we rotate H.. Specially these items that may be sensitive to non in and out back and four so we put some of these things on temporary exhibit and we bring them back into storage temperature humidity controlled trolled storage and so that for generations. We can enjoy these things and not just for one generation of doing it. But sometimes it's hard for people to gather data I to understand that and we just it's our job to try to educate folks about The interpretation of those items we also have to preserve them so they can be interpreted be around One thing I know collectors and people love to look at our presentation officers source staff staff feels sort of line officers swords. What what notable ones you have in your collection? Well we have. One belong took Brigadier General. Frank Wheaton Wheaton was commander in six core absolute. This sword was actually given to him when he was colonel the Second Rhode Island and was given him by his father. Wow now it's a beautiful presentation sword. We have another one that belonged to. I think it's Henry Landis Landis was the brother-in-law of John Bolton Reynolds and we have a presentation sword that he you'd was given to him for the action at which point and right outside. The Museum Museum is when the confederates came all the way up to across the river and he had an artillery battery from Lancaster Pennsylvania where he was from Philadelphia where he was from Philadelphia. Yeah and This is inscribed with the battles and into him and he's the brother in law. John Foot row isn't that cool. That's that's that's a nice presentation that we that we have we. Have you know some others. I can't take the names off top my head but we have others. That are part of that. I was on the Gettysburg Foundation Board or does some years ago. I got a call from a relic dealer in Gettysburg. Who We all know And he said I've got something here. I WANNA show you and I walked over there to his. The horse soldiers then went inside and up on the second floor he took me to the a a little vault. The open the vault door and outcomes this Chesser Kepi with a wreath embroidered with us and not to star two stars and then came out. A lot of photography of very young officer and then came out in discussion postwar Scotch and with all the battle honours. Whoever this person was and it had John Fulton Reynolds and I went? Oh My heavens you know and it was just a ton of stuff and I said this is all John Reynolds things they go. Yeah Yeah I said where does it come from. He says the family and so Do you think the Gettysburg National Military Park would like that and I said I I would certainly a hell hope so and so we managed to get that to happen but Yeah great stuff I as a as an old relic guy from way back like I know you've been I love looking at that. I love to go to museums. I love to see it all all and I'm really glad we're here to share the national civil war museum in Harrisburg with people here. Who Listen to this podcast? So I thank you for that and thank you for coming here. I appreciate it. Can't we wanna tell stories or a better way to to learn about the civil war then tell story that's right and and make those personal for people and so at the civil war museum were using these objects to tell a larger story shoe. The is a real person right and for me at At the museum somebody as a battlefield guide and interpreter many years as a kid interested news. There's no better way to get people interested until story. Yeah no I agree. Great and and that's the best way to do it. It is the best way to do it. We you know you're also the CO author of a book called Pickett's charge at Gettysburg Iceberg a guide to the most famous attack in American history. You and Jim Hessler have put this book together and I gotTa tell you it is perfectly beautiful book. It's gorgeous published and Ted Savvas out there in California does gorgeous work is maps or spectacular. Ed is very easy to understand where you are in this book. Because of the way it's laid out in the maps tell me what What are you who it in publishing this guide What are you trying to to to get to to people all who go out on the field and let them know precisely where events took place the whole motive behind this? Yes so I've thanks very much cancer first of all let me just say I gotta give Kudos to to to the CO author. James Hausler my friend. Many years about four guide. Jim Is what I call all closure just piddle around to stop and I think we would have still been waiting on it if it if it had been to to get to get to shop shotgun so we worked very well together. I would work with him on any project. It just did some nice suiting together there. And of course we've got shots did a tremendous job as you said in the land in Steve Stanley. Doing the thirty one maps because this book is a guide you need to have some spectacular maps ought ought to do it and of course Steve have been a matmaker for American battlefield. Trust for many years so these are first rate in. The book is in color which I really like because you can lay some and things out what we really wanted to do with. This work is a couple of things. We wanted to reach multiple audiences so I think it would be unusual first of all to have a hardback book as a as a field guide. I'd but we really wanted you to be able to take this thing out onto the battlefield. If you wanted to do that but we also wanted to make sure that if you were at home you could follow wit and understand it right the maps and everything that are in there and we also did which I'm really proud of Clo- there's things called out. I guess I would say just little sidebar. I Su out the book that are stories each one of those sort of standalone right on top of the of the narrative it. We were just pleased to be able to to publish the first really ever guide to Pickett's charge and no one else's ever done now no one has and and and it's it's it's it's If I dare say the most walk part of the battlefield I still. I think it is even more really than little round. Top people walking that every day the assault attack and seeing the union defense. We have four tours in here here so we don't forget that the Yankees had something to do with it as it said right. Well you know what's what's needed and you go through each of those tours and you know it begins on the confederate side with the massing all those field batteries Preparing to open fire on the union positions. And what you got one hundred seventy eight hundred seventy five guns that they've brought out there to To Open Fire and I remember Henry Slocum says he had never ever seen anything like it before and his entire life. Now or since right and What you lay out you and JIM lay out All the batteries where they are by name on the maps and in the text and So to begin with people can literally walk that line along long it really in front of Seminary Ridge all the way down to the peach orchard laying out all those all all those guns and we had many many a day if you could recorded conversations. They wouldn't be pretty about where to lay out all those. This is a Mike. Hikers study it is but we took great pride in getting the primary sources as best. We could for the confederate batteries. It's quite difficult. Because the batchelder maps basically officer would come and tell John batchelder. Hey this is so cases the plaques or reverse of what you so many others are even the armament for a couple couple of batteries Well what is it we. We took great pains in looking at many many primary sources to get to where we're at in the order of battle and what which ones actually fired which I didn't and I think some people would say well that's a little too much. We just wanted to be as comprehensive as we could. May you wanted it to be a go to source. We wanted you to be able to pick it up and say this is what these guys think but more importantly the default notes that basically say this is where they got it. I I have to take our word for it. Take somebody else's right for it. But then as you as you move along you go to the attack of each elements of this assault force horse pedigrees Dorsey penders Isaac Trimble and then and then pay an Pickett's and you pick up each one of them so there are tour stops so that you see each one how far they get And and then of course into the into the defenses the union defenses and You follow the North Carolinians. What farthest to the front at Gettysburg was the motto? Had it on their license plates. Royer actually got the furthest did day. We know what we know what. The Fifty Fifth Davis said. Probably the eleven Mississippi when you look at it now to me. It's a tremendous fi I can't even imagine I read for years description to that of that fire one and I just can't imagine a person dare the air. The next up I think is going to be. The last one is going to be awful and and it's It's just For me it's a human aspect which is important we forget when we're moving these little numbers around or remove a little pins around that these people just like you you and I right and getting blown up facing facing nat just tremendous and so I like also so what we did. Which I'm very proud of? Is We put some human interest stories in there and we called some of them out call outs and we really tried to personalise. Some of those places we One of my favorites and you stop me if I'm going too much Not Ken but is is a soldier in cushing's battery now and we actually got a photograph from the dealer friend of mine of a soldier in cushing's battery and so fast and Susan. I remember when we were doing research. Facet spirit in the National Cemetery. And according to the records he died on the thirteenth to July. We'll I've found a newspaper Article Michael Researching in one thousand nine hundred eighty six with being cleaned people singing so fast and he died in California. And Facet please stand up go. We don't know here's a grave cemetery with this man yet. There's an entire newspaper article where he said he lost his papers. He couldn't prove who he was. And and so there's more research to be done on. That and here is an unpublished photograph. Until we got a hold of this of this older. Thanks to our our friend who you had a dealer of a young young man. In cushing's battery reportedly mortally wounded Gettysburg buried in the National Cemetery. Well guess what. There's a body there but the name is on it but I'm not sure facet. Wow it's just incredible you know to me other than Frederick Fu Ghur and And Lieutenant Milne. I don't know the photograph of anybody else. Out of that battery Never come across would have been the person to see when you're doing regular it's a lot more difficult to do some really is I mean. This is so so so much less on them. Let's close is this here but by asking this all the Times I've taken people out on on the field of the Pickett Pettigrew attack attack. The question always comes up. was that this just suicidal. Why would Lee have ordered this? What's your answer? Well my answer to that is the next logical step for the battle so we take a look at what's going on. In the battle first aid confederates push push the union army north and west the town. Drive them South Leah Tax on the second day he still has momentum to make these assaults on July. Third I I. I don't think it's going to be a question whether he's GonNa make an attack. He's not going to hand over this initiative in the momentum over to the Union army. He's not GonNa do that. Question is where in in how it is planned be always remind everyone Pickett's charge as you and I know it is not what Robert e Lee went to bed with on the night of July Shaq. He wanted to coordinate it with with with picking and with yours men on the north end of the battlefield. He didn't get that because the Union army is going to attack over at the north end of the battlefield so he has to settle for our plan B. and plan B. is out it is talked about he and we also should know that unless you walk that really can't understand the attack because you're not under fire the talk your relations that ground swell tactic swell and he wanted the artillery to be a major participant in that and twice in Robert Lee's own words in his official reports one in July eighteen sixty three one in January sixty four robbery. We had two reports alligators twice. He says it's the failure the artillery is the reason why take charge and take my word for it. You can take robbery lease word for it and He ordered that because it was the next logical thing to do and he wanted it properly prepared and I think the planning of it was in order for it to be successful. Everything had to go right absolutely and of course unfortunately for him. Fortunately for the Union army everything did not go right. Thomas Osborne he's Eleventh Union are are he said look seen many attacks in civil war. None of them had a hope a succeeding seating. He said I was at Kennesaw Mountain. I saw it but he said pick a short did he said I think it did. And I was on the Union artillery. been properly done. They weren't yeah so I think you just have to take yourself out of the twenty first century mindset and put yourself back into the eighteen sixty often when I'm out out there talking with people always liked to remind them that on the second day the the attacks lead launched against the union left were so ferocious and fought over so viciously viciously that he could tell by just looking at the casualties on the battlefield and those prisoners of war being taken to career that he had virtually demolished the Third Corps Union Third Corey. He had virtually actually not as much as a third but he had really mangled the Fifth Corps because he could tell I mean he these reports which are coming back. These guys were from the Fifth Corps here from the third His his people were telling him and that He had mangled at least one division of Second Corps and he knew as well that after the fighting on July one that he had taken out much of the I corps and much of the eleven yet so when you start adding up you start and ending up. Yeah exactly and I mean he can look at the wreck back on the battlefield after finding July second and so like you is it is the next logical step for him and borne to the fact that he believed. I'm convinced that he had wrecked union army so badly that have he made a concerted effort against the center. He break it. Yeah well I tell everybody. And he's got a nice model he can look to and he doesn't have to look but only forty eight hours go to the attack the seminary where he made a frontal assault against heavily fortified position I stack with artillery. The confederates came right through there and punched a hole all right in that defensive work. It's not quite as wide as Pickett's charge but PICKETT's charge has more on the ground more protection his troops they completely leap drove that wedge right in that union line right off and he's only got a look forty eight hours to see it. Yeah precisely I mean look ahead he could see the swailes and you could get the entire Dagang Division in those whales right and so now they're Satan. There's safer from enemy fire. And they're only GONNA get. Shell burst on them but in a direct fire. So there's a lot to be said for it given all that and which is what he would have seen right and I think we've got. Ah Throw a quick quick kudos out to general meat. Because let's remember the federals. Put up a very staunch defense. They had to prepare defense there And how how do we know it was good because they ended up getting what I want it. They want exact. So we've got to. We have to give credit to the union defenders. Put up tenacious. Defense finch there for on on July third to match the bravery confederates coming across that field exactly and the effective the effective use of field artillery on the Union side too. I mean they were. They were striking them with explosive. Shells way out right here in the fields and yeah it's a it's a a fascinating thing. Wayne look at my friend. It's been a treat having you here and I wish you all the luck in your. I love your book. Well thanks and I want you to tell Jim how much I love it too. and With respect to the museum I hope all our view all our listeners Get Get up to Harrisburg Pennsylvania and take a look at The collections you have up there in. Thanks thanks for having me and let me say on that on that vein. They can they can go to the website site national civil war museum dot Org they go to facebook and like US follow us. Do this kind of thing super super way your pal. Thank you You Bet can't thanks. Ravin welcome bye-bye become an American hero. 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Red, White And The Blues

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Red, White And The Blues

"This is one a. I'm jen white in washington. And today we celebrate independence day with a one hour tribute to an original american art form. We call it red white and the blues. Blues music arose from the african american experience in the south on the farms and fields. Enslaved black people saying to keep their spirits up. Spread the news and sometimes to rela- secret messages in church. They sang gospel music at work. The blues blues music went on to become the basic dna for jazz r&b rock and roll rap in most. Every manner of modern music on today's program will listen to some blues and learn about this music the lens of the national recording registry at the library of congress the music were profiling is being preserved for all time in the national recording registry because of its historical cultural or aesthetic importance to our society. There is much a part of our heritage. Is god bless america somewhere over the rainbow and when you wish upon a star all of which are also in the registry now anyone can nominate a recording for the registry. It just has to be at least ten years old and there has to be an existing copy. Typically the public nominates hundreds of recordings and then a blue ribbon panel of experts ads around one hundred and fifty from that long list. The librarian of congress. Dr carla hayden picks twenty five recordings to add to the registry. When i look at a list. And i see memphis minnie. Nineteen forty one the blues. It's called me and my chauffeur blues. it's a way of saying. Wow not only is the title something but who was memphis many so you want to make sure that people are possibly intrigued and want to dig a little deeper and find out. Did anybody else record that. And who was memphis many. Let's dig a little deeper now. Memphis minnie was born lizzy douglas in algiers louisiana in eighteen ninety seven. She started guitar at age. Eleven ran away from home at thirteen and played street corners under the name kit. Douglas by the end of the nineteen twenties. She was calling herself. Memphis many me and my chauffeur blues has been recorded over thirty times by everyone from big mama thornton and nina simone to lucinda williams and the jefferson airplane. The dry dry downtown one of memphis minnie's biggest devotees is singer. Maria mold our. She remembers visiting minnie's grave and mississippi. I just felt this awesome so full presence. Not just of the spirit of memphis minnie. Surely but of of all the others and all the all the other people that were such expressive artists. But they were doing it. So on the natch. They weren't thinking while. I'm going to become a you. Know a blue star and make a million dollars. These are people that were expressing their souls on their back porches and and expressing themselves about things that were happening to them very immediately her songs are very autobiographical. But at the same time very universal memphis. Many was one of the meanest guitar players of her day. She would challenge other players to cutting contests and nearly always won. The unusual thing about memphis manny was the fact that she stood out as one of the few self accompanying independent women in the downhome. Blues business historian and author. Peter guralnick as big bill brasi. Wrote in his autobiography. Big bill blows and he wrote this with great admiration memphis. Many play the guitar just like a man and he describes his cutting contests in which many beats everybody. All the famous blows singers. All the men the ultimate end because there were no other women involved just as in the early days of rock and roll. They weren't a lot of early women rock abilities and there may have had something to do with the difficulties of travel and may have been an exclusive organization. But i think more than anything it was just. It was a very hard life. I'm not many women. Chose it but memphis. Many dear to our great edification between one thousand nine hundred twenty nine and nineteen forty one many recorded over one hundred and fifty songs many of which have become classics like me and my chauffeur bumblebee and when the levee breaks one of the lucky guitarist to record with memphis many was jimmy. Rogers who for years famously played with muddy waters and little walter lure deny we may record with I enjoyed the lady. She's quite to do and how to do it. And say oh came in. I was young trying to line. Greatest day play. The blue remembers many many made records into the nineteen fifties and nineteen. Sixty a stroke. Put her in a wheelchair but she never stop. playing guitar. memphis minnie died in nineteen. Seventy three at the age of seventy six me around memphis many and me and my chauffeur blues recorded in nineteen forty one and added to the national recording registry at the library of congress. In twenty twenty from memphis. We go back in time to new york city where the very first blues record was made it was nineteen twenty and records were becoming big business in the white world but at that point no company had ever recorded a blues singer crazy. Blues was the song and mamie smith was the artist. The song was entered into the national recording registry in nineteen ninety four as a tribute to its importance in american culture to tell the story of crazy blues. We have an archivist. My name is michael. Taft i'm the head of the archive of folk culture at the american folklife center the library of congress and author lawrence cohn and. I'm quite proud of a book. I did a nineteen ninety-six while nothing but the blues the music and the musicians and an activist turn educator my name. Is angela davis. I am professor of history of consciousness and feminist studies at the university of california. Santa cruz i am also the author of blues legacies and black feminism. Mamie smith was first vocalist to record. I i smith was rather peculiar. It's funny that she was the first to record this kind of blues. Because she was not primarily a blues singer the age of ten she was on the stage dancing and she was a dancer a singer and actress and she performed films in the thirties and forties choosing all around entertainer. But i don't think she yourself for called herself necessarily a blue center in the way that perhaps small rainy or bessie smith where these people who recorded in the early twenties. We'll working as civilians. In in various guises as dancers as comedians as singers plaque blue singer had been recorded in one thousand nine hundred twenty and in a sense it was happenstance said mamie. Smith acquired the opportunity to record crazy blues earlier in the year. Sophie tucker had been scheduled for a recording session but became ill and perry bradford managed to persuade okay records to allow mamie smith's to do the recording session instead. And bradford who i got to know when i was a teenager in the fifties he wrote these songs and he produced them and he really is the guy that sold the concept to the record. Companies that black Female vaudevillians could translate To blues and that there was money to be made that recording sold really well right out of the box. I think they sell something. Like ten thousand recordings the first week within a month. It had so over. Seventy five thousand copies. There was a market there that had not been served and mamie smith and her recording was like the opening shot. I think the the black public was ready to start buying records. There was enough of a working class with money that were ready willing and able to buy recordings that were coming out of their own culture. The recording of crazy blues led the way for the professionalization of black music for the black entertainment industry and indeed for the immense popularity of black music today so there was a time in the history of this ten feet when white people were able to live experience what they thought of as american culture without having the slightest idea about the creativity of black people and now of course black music stands in for american musical culture not only within the country but all over the world. Mamie smith crazy blues recorded in new york and nineteen twenty. It was the very first recording of a blues musician. The song was entered into the national recording registry and will be preserved for all time. We're listening to the sounds of america. Recording selected for the national recording registry at the library of congress are salute takes us to detroit and chicago when this hour of red white and the blues continues. 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A. n. t. dot com to find your perfect instructor. Love it or your first hour is free because it wise and we take learning personally if you're the latest shade of brown is a cool to call yourself. A person of color does not feel right for me absolutely want to own my space as a feminist woman of color. Don't miss our series exploring latino identity on. Npr's code switch podcast. This is one a. I'm jen white and we're celebrating. The fourth of july by focusing on an original african american artform the blues recalling this hour red white and the blues and playing songs from the national recording registry. Our next musical offering takes us to the epicenter of electrified. Blues music chicago in the nineteen fifties and sixties on the hills of the depression and world war two. There was a mass exodus of african americans from the south heading north looking for better working and living conditions. They brought their music and when they got to the big cities. Traditional acoustic music was just not loud enough and electrified. Blues was born an icon of this new music was chester burnett better known as howlin wolf and his seminal recording of smokestack lightning was chosen for the registry in two thousand nine to tell us about the song. We'll hear from three people who were important to howlin wolf. My name is hubert some. I'm gonna get shopping. You my name. Is betty kelly. I'm howling wolf's oldest daughter. I'm dick sherman and i am a producer journalist historian standing night. Smokestack lightning is indeed a monument of the blues. It shows historical continuity. It shows the power of howling wolf as individual it captures a feeling that summarizes the blues pretty much as well as any recording ever has smokestack. Lightning was a number of recorded facade labor. It would people he and his band will johnson god back bad sam filters fever recording of all time and considering that sam was discoverer of elvis presley jerry lee lewis carl perkins johnny cash a lot of other great blues artists that certainly high praise is widely quoted as saying about wolf that the first time you heard him. He said he thought to himself. This is where the soul of man never dies. He loved his monica. I think that harmonica was his outlet. There moments when i can get a book may been quite curl up and just read it a little bit. Feel better when i come out. I think that harmonica did that for him. Start to make owned the plantation man. Come through picking guitar called child pet. And i liked it sound so i always did wanna play get tired so i got him this. Show me few cards. You know every night that i'd get off for work. I go to his house and nine to pick to get calling not only was inspired by the music of charlie pappu but directly took lessons from him when they were on the same plantation and smokestack lightning for which will probably always be known is descendant of a song by pat and called moon. Going down what happened. Wolf will so to chess records by sun lieber in so we got the chest rookus. We record smokestack liden over again. My reason sound smokestack was the sounded we really. I wanted him to have smokestack. Lightning is about a lot of things particularly if you listen to lyrics. First of all part of it does seem to be about the poetic image of the sparks from the cinders. Coming out of the smokestack of a locomotive at night which is a pretty powerful image. But then there's also Averse about you know. Tell me tell me where you stayed last night. So i think it's also about lonesome nece and anxiety and and a whole lot of mysticism woven in their smoke stack. Lightning is about a disappointment in a love relationship that he was having at the time and he was trying to get her to understand that they could work it out and they could stay with it. But i think she had been attracted to someone else in. It was hurting him now. Had a woman was. He was canonized too and she pulled off and left me to ned. Give me the blues shown of our to how lack of dome man. You know what i mean. You better believe every song this guy made. It's a little bit of where he lived the way he lived to in what he went through. This is all about me and then guy wouldn't. He did not lie. I never knew him until allow man about anything. I knew this is one a. With red white and the blues profiles of music chosen for the national recording registry at the library of congress. We just heard about howlin wolf and smokestack lightning with commentary from historian dick sherman wolf's daughter betty kelly wolf's guitarist hubert summerlin and the howlin wolf himself from chicago are musical journey takes us to detroit perhaps best known for motown soul and in the motors that he has a rich blues tradition personified by john. Lee hooker his song boogie. Chilin went to number one on the r&b charts in nineteen forty nine and pretty much shaped all the blues and rock music that followed to tell us the story of bookie chilin. We have veteran author. I'm peter guralnick. I'm a writer of written a number of books but the thing that really got me started is the blows. And it's something that i discovered when i was fifteen and it has never left me and a veteran blues musician my name is drawing must white and i met john lee hooker in chicago probably about sixty three. I believe first time. I heard boogie chillan. There i remember was was two radio stations. I used to listen to in memphis but they came from other places wwl. Ac out of nashville and xy raf from seat kunia while huila mexico and they would play blues and be late at night. I could get them on my little radio at home in memphis. I remember hearing. John lee late at night coming through the little speaker of my radio just kind of almost as soon as her sound to it was so So powerful john. Lee hooker is one of the giants of contemporary blues. He's one of the giants of the downhome blues that took over after the second world war and really revolutionized electrified blues music. Own our own. What the town walking down hazing first minimum chicago. He was still living in detroit. He had moved out to california yet. Some of the places. He mentioned like the henry swing club and areas. He talked about. We're being torn down. A whole scene in detroit was disappearing at that time john lee hooker's roots higher definitely in the delta. It has elements of that kind of Modal style where essentially he just stays on the same court and its rhythmic to a degree that so much of mississippi blues is gelo in the side. Bovey chilling you've got us on that is basically it's about life itself to celebration of all things it's as Howling wolf saying it's nature. it's human nature. The point is you can deny all you want all your illicit desires and all the things you know that you may feel impact of night but man. If it's in you it's gonna come out. You can't hide one lane down moment. Palmetto let that boy got to come out. You know he was singing from the point of view of a young man. You know when he recorded when wrote and recorded that tuned say he wanted to bogey and he had to his feeling his oats and as a young man's all down we heard about john lee. Hooker's boogie chilin from peter ground. Nick and charlie musselwhite that song immortalised in the national recording registry which preserves audio echoes from the past. This is one a. I'm jen white and a red white. And the blue salute to african american music continues with a stop in los angeles by way of texas. Aaron t-bone walker was born in linden texas in nineteen ten. T-bone walkers technique is considered the gold standard for electric guitarists and his song. Call it stormy. Monday has become a classic to tell the story of stormy monday. We have a blues guitarist. My name is duke robillard and amateur guitar player singer songwriter and producer the king of blues. I'm bb king plays guitar and i'll call the new seal. I'm a blue singer. Blues musician n. T. bones offspring. My name is bernita ruth walker. I am the daughter of aaron t-bone walker senior. I was born in one thousand nine hundred forty six year. Did he actually wrote they call it starting monday. They called it stunning chooses. Just what makes starving. Monday vital today is. It's so befitting for many of our lives that we go through monday morning. Most people don't wanna get up to go to work because they've had a great time over the weekend and now they've got hit that nine to five and as it progressed you know. Tuesday is just as bad whereas these worst zest the hump day and thursdays also sales the eagle flies on fried eagle flies on friday mean that he gets paid either flies on and saturday. I go out to play party and saturday which is still a common practice. Eagle flies on friday and saturday. I go out sunday. I go to church knee down by walker. Single handedly developed the style in way to play blues on electric guitar. That was totally different than anything that had done before. He used a lot of double timing in his soloing. Which at that time was something that only players did. You never heard guitar player. Do it very unusual in very innovative. Be playing actually twice as many notes per beat. He really completely set the foundation for how blues guitarist play. If you talk to be king healed. I'm sure say something very similar to. I'd never heard anyone play like him a like that before. What makes t-bone walker so special. He'd played his guitar different from anyone else. You didn't play the guitar with the body of the guitar lane against him. He played guitar with turned harlem. He would play like that and it looked so today. Then that's a good word. He was very handsome. Looking guy looked like an entertainer. He had that stage presence and he would do the splits in time with the music that he was playing the women would scream and holler and even the men were clapping. Let go bone. Go bone. And i would just sit there smiling. Because that was my dad. That was doing those great performances and some of the ideas that he had developed into ideas that were important in the beginning of rock and roll guitar. Chuck berry just took t-bone style and put it to different beat so in essence. T-bone was not only the first electric blues guitar player but he was the first rock and roll guitar player. Really if a young guitar player comes up and he starts learning guitar steve yvonne record or just any contemporary guitar player. He is still playing a lot of the technique that was invented by. He had a way as bending notes on his guitar. That made it stand out from anybody else. I heard they call it stormy. Monday is one of those blue standards at home. I have approximately nine cds. That have maybe fifteen versions on each cd by different artists of that song. So it was. It was something that grabbed them about that song. They call on monday but just as bad. Call it storm on tuesdays just and so to doing that blues they were going to play the so about atlanta actually walker song. Guitar chord line. There's a little guitar ninth chord. Figure down to dune to dan doodoo which is It was that was like a unique thing and it became t-bone signature. Is that little that type of line and that cord line. I don't know it seems to have grabbed everybody because everybody plays it with that line in it. It's almost like it's almost like a law. They have to when play stormy monday back to me. Call it stormy. Monday from aaron t-bone walker and we heard the voices of bernita walker duke robillard and bb king. It's our fourth of july salute to the sounds of america with music from the national recording registry. We call it red white and the blues. I'm jen white will add some rhythm to the blues next on one day from w. amu and npr support for npr. And the following message. Come from better help. Offering online counseling. Help therapist esu. joe knows. That lockdown has been hard on us as humans. We as people are hardwired to connect with others. Which is why this whole time is so difficult. 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We as people are hardwired to connect with others. Which is why this whole time is so difficult. This is one a. I'm jen white. We call this our red white and the blues. A celebration of an original african american art for as the blues migrated from the field to the south to the cities of the north. The music evolved more in. Reinvented itself when blues made it. With country music it became rock and roll and blues and gospel music combined. We got rhythm and blues are and be an epicenter of orrin or soul. Music was the stacks records studio in memphis and one of the biggest hits to come out of stacks. Was wilson pickett's in the midnight hour. This nineteen sixty five. Classic was entered into the registry in two thousand seventeen to start us on the tail of in the midnight hour. We have a card carrying blues brother. Dan ackroyd i'm artist writer actor. I guess you could say you know. Wilson pickett was just briefly in the blues. Brothers two thousand. I was ellwood. And he was wilson pickett and he was great to work with and he was appreciative. Of the focus you know but what you got with. The wicked pickett was an edge in music. That many of the other artists of the time did not have kind of dangerous edge unpredictable and occasionally bearing weapons to say. What wilson was coal a natural shelter. He had that foot-stomping baptist church shouting voice that in his case he could shouts and scream in tune. Good love and baby. I'm tony fletcher. I'm and author. And i wrote the biography in the midnight hour. The life and soul of wilson pickett. He had signed to atlantic records. Who had really misjudged where he sat in the market. They were not the right. People to be writing for wilson pickett. He really needed to be in with really are and be musicians and he probably needed to be back down. South i think both wilson and jerry wexler who was his point person at atlantic both were of the same mind for different reasons that what would make sense for wilson. Pickett would be to see if they could get him in the stack studios down in memphis. Other this is steve cropper. Steve cropper was the sort of defacto producer for all the sessions stacks but he was also a part of the backing band in the studio back. Otis redding back. Sam and dave the back daddy. Floyd wilson pickett collar thomas all the way through jerry. Wexler had called jim stewart. Who was the president of stacks. And to- jim. We've got this artist. We want to bring down and have you record. I didn't know wilson pickett at the time. But i worked in a record shop so we started looking for things that he might have sung on in somewhere. Somebody came up with a gospel record. I remember playing the fate out over and over. 'cause he'd go into this chant about i'm gonna wait till the midnight almost my jesus and then on our road amid not wilson didn't just come up with the idea of singing about in the midnight hour the phrase. The midnight hour had been around in gospel music. It was a very very common phrase. Jim pickup jury and wilson at the airport and memphis go to the hotel. Which was that time a holiday. And it's not there anymore at the corner of poplar avenue and crosstown and jerry said jimmy are going to go eat something and have a meeting you guys go ahead and get started writing when i went to memphis. I took Four or five hit songs down there that i had written. Steve cropper was a very together guy like he would pit you anywhere jumping if somebody changed in somebody doing this way or that way then. He was good at doing that so he come to my hotel. We put everything together. Make it right and about. I don't know about two hours later or so. Knock on the door open it and jewish. How's it going. So we played him to songs and he said man. I'm getting out of here. You guys are doing well. They should just keep writing. They went into the next day and recorded these four songs and one of them of course was in the midnight hour midnight hour. I guess is when a a man and a woman in a room together and it's time to decide whether there's going to be some kind of a consensual interaction to me. Essentially it's a moment of loving. I mean it's really like that. Doc era of the night wilson. Actually what happens at the midnight hour. What actually goes on once the clock strikes twelve all sorts of things to get up and take the dog out. Anything can happen. You hit donald duck down with the most obvious. Baselines is really just an our patio on the two cords. Run through the verse yet. Something in the way that he plays it was made it one of the most idealized baselines that you'd ever come across the top of donald duck dunn on four page across all around. It is al jackson on drums. And steve cropper down to get on that too in the four. Jerry wexler was the acting producer. Because he brought wilson down and he didn't like what i was playing. He said steve. Can you just play straight back. Beads steve have every right to say mr wexler. You know with the guys making hits here. You haven't delivered the hit for and picking. We know what we're doing. Could you kindly leave us alone. Will get on with what we're doing but steve did not say that. Listen to to jerry. Some people out there might not know what backbeat is. And that's usually what the drummer plays. And he usually puts it in army on two and four one to accent three four very heavy the accent onto and four. Everybody's little booty moving and that's what we always did which apparently was influenced my big dons at the time and the number one hit called the jerk. You haven't seen it performed right here on hollywood a go go give you a few simple basic back. All you have to bomb bomb like a pool down. Put your hands or fists up in the air and kind of pool down toward beltline and if you do that on two and four. Then that's called the jerk to emphasize the point. Apparently jerry came out of the control and this is a guy who was ready well into middle age and so it's like they died coming out of the control room and he starts demonstrating the jerk in the studio looking a little bit like a sort of out of shape middle aged boxer in the process. We were in a big studio very big and We didn't do anything. In those days with headphones they might have been invented. But we didn't use. I learned to stay right with the drummer by watching his left. Hand back in those days. This was being recorded all in one. Go all in one take live to take the bra sections not coming afterwards. Yeah there's no over adopts to this. This is the recording. The one take recording. And so you've got to imagine eight musicians. Plus wilson pickett in a room with a sloping studio recording line to to track. Horns are vital to these tracks produced this fullness and this breadth and width music. Kind of missing and rock and roll. They play in a way the manages to sound of once laid-back. An incredibly urgent at the same time bras comes in as if it's almost an afterthought and yet the more that you listen to that the more you realize suits the song and obviously wilson pickett performances absolutely stellar. What struck me about seeing him. And hearing just the full on commitment the vibrancy and the edge and the danger and his performance and that wonderful voice at the top of his capabilities and he always pushed it and never held back at all. Wilson pick it and in the midnight hour one of the songs being preserved in the national recording registry at the library of congress. We also heard from dan ackroyd. Steve cropper tony. Fletcher and the wicked wilson. Pickett himself. it's one eight. I'm jen white. And this july. Fourth holiday representing some of the blues based music featured in the registry a salute to red white and the blues our final musical offering is another example of how the blues can distort into a completely new form of expression. Are you experienced. The debut album from jimi hendrix took the blues to new heights and knocked the rock world on its ear. The album was inducted into the registry. In two thousand five to learn more about our you experienced. We talked to a musician vernon reid guitarist songwriter. Composer and music producer leban- involved with a wide range of music's from world music to funk to tom free jazz to metal and i wouldn't be one of hendrix recording engineer. My name is eddie kramer. I was involved in the. I experienced album as engineer and an archivist. I'm ruben jackson. And i'm a an archivist at the national museum of american history smithsonian institution. It's still a landmark recording because it it is of the tradition that the rock r. and b. blues would have you musical tradition but i think it altered the syntax of the music. If you will in a way. I compare to say. James joyce's ulysses you read this page who've ulysses and then you listen to just purple haze and you think my goodness. What is this. We were experimenting. That was the exciting part. Was that whatever he did in the studio. We have to just keep up and try to figure out how to record it in a halfway decent fashion i think. Jim's singing lyrics have often been given short-shrift in consideration of his guitar playing because his guitar playing with overwhelmingly power. There was no dividing line in hendricks between the song. Improvisation the singing. It was all one thing together. Then come on cross. I mentioned his interest in science fiction. And this guy wrote a lot of poetry and was very influenced by bob dylan. I've often wondered to what extent dylan's influence on a piece like. Are you experienced experienced. You know is he talking about drugs if he talking about sex is he talking about all the above and you'd never know it. It's count inferred. Then you get those kind of backwards swirling guitars contributing to this lyrical foundation. Jimmy's backwards get saw was an effect that he reversed. Contrary to popular belief i would say jimi hendrix was extremely well prepared. He had a very clear concept on what it would take to come up with the goods. I would give him a rough mixes of songs that we'd been working on. Who would take him home and experiment on his own tape machine would take tape put in these machine and play it backwards and rehearse to it so that by the time he came back to the studio the following day he would have planned out precisely what he was going to play for solo and we would turn the tape upside down and he would know precisely where he was by. The sound of the tape sekkei would stop their play it from there on record from there to there and he would say exactly where he wanted to go and he would played the cell. And then we flip the tape back on the forward direction and out would come as incredibly beautiful melodic solo. That was perfect. Construction from the beginning to the end are you experienced. I think is the groundbreaking album that everybody should listen to first before you get onto the rest of the music that he wrote. Here's a man who was completely at ease and a completely at one with his guitar. This is a a milestone much in the same way that any of the greats jazz musicians had made classic albums. I think jimmy had made his first statement that saw the jets in the boxes and the clouds of all gone. I was in school recently. Doing some poetry with from fifth graders in a young lady had a jimi hendrix t shirt on. And i chris ahead to ask her about this and he said oh i just love that music it just makes me want to go in my room and paint and write things and you know. He was someone who painted and wrote so. It's not just a old school guys. If if a fifth grader can just get kind of wide excited as this young lady did a boy you know this guy really had something and still does the story of are you experienced from the jimi hendrix experience and album being preserved for all time in the national recording registry at the library of congress and telling us about the album. We had vernon reid. eddie kramer. And ruben jackson. If you know of an audio recording and it doesn't have to be music that you think is important to preserve for generations to come you can submit it to the recording registry email rec registry at l. dot gov that's r. e. c. registry at l. o. c. dot gov. Today's producers. were been manila engineer. Cataldo of bmp audio. Our podcast is produced by barb on piano. This program comes to you from w. amu part of american university in washington distributed by npr. I'm jen white. Thanks for listening. Happy birthday america. this is one a.

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Bonus: The Bongino Brief - 6/23/2020

The Dan Bongino Show

09:55 min | 1 year ago

Bonus: The Bongino Brief - 6/23/2020

"Hey Dan Bongino here with a little extra bonus. There's a new way for you to listen to my content. If you haven't Alexa device every morning, we post what's called the Bongino brief a quick highlight of one of the biggest stories we talk about here on the podcast designed for your Alexis Flash briefing skill. Right now you're going to hear today's Bongino brief and after that. We're going to tell you how to get the brief on your device Dan Bongino. Welcome to the Bongino brief I'm Dan Bongino. So the left is totally lost its mind. Taking advantage of the Rahm Emanuel never let a crisis go to waste theory, and now we've seen the left more from what they said. Once was a slippery slope. You remember that folks remember the slippery slope. When they started tearing down confederate statues, we said to them. It's only a matter of time before they start tearing down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to I didn't even think it would take that long at it. Didn't they're doing that now? They're like burning them ripping them down there just insane. Well now it's not just Washington and Jefferson, basically anyone associated with the history of America because leftist hate you and they hate this country, and they hate everything you stand for never forget the axiomatic truth, the politics as we see it now, you think liberals are people with bad ideas. You better wake up to the fact that liberals think you're bad people with ideas because there's a very big difference between those two things. And the sooner you wake up to that fact, the more informed you'll be. Here's a story from WCBS NEW YORK. CBS affiliate Teddy. Roosevelt statue to be removed from the Museum of natural. History Teddy Teddy Roosevelt tr. Teddy Roosevelt was a confederate soldier to just check Joe. I'm not a history major, but I'm reasonably confident. Teddy Roosevelt was not a confederate general I'm just checking. Those you history majors that you may want to send us a fact. Check on reasonably confident tr right Joe. I'm reasonably confident. Tr was not a confederate Gen. we are thank you. Tom Busby, but it doesn't matter. We gotta get, and if he's if the statute by the way, it's being taken down by the city of New York. If it's not taken down, I'm sure. The leftist timers will show up with their Soviet style. Of Bolshevik tactics and ripped it thing down. Burn it maybe like defecate on a to justice. Send an extra message home because they love that kind of stuff. They're really sick. People listen to me. This never had anything to do with confederate statues, folks okay. Never. That's not what this was about. These gentlemen. This is straight up power play. And so this is. Left this are Niholas. They want to destroy everything. We have right now. They don't believe in capitalism. They don't believe in God. Given rights. They don't believe in the structure of our society as we see it, they think the United States is a sinful hate-filled country. They think it's a country full of white supremacists. They think the original sin of the country. Slavery will forever stay in the country that it's non-recoverable and. And that the country needs to be destroyed, this is a nihilist ideology Uber attending it some reformist ideology that listen. We're only looking at getting rid of confederate statues that fought for the confederacy I'm telling you you have misread. This situation is going to be a catastrophic consequences. If you don't wake up fast, that is not what this is about. This is about erasing history altogether more in a minute, but first. America's ready to get back to work, but to win in the new economy, you need every advantage to succeed. SMART companies run on net suite by Oracle the world's number, one cloud business system with net sweet. You'll have visibility and control over your financial hr inventory, ecommerce and more everything you need all in one place whether you're doing a million or hundreds of millions in sales net sweet. Let you manage every penny with precision you'll. You'll have the agility compete with anyone work from anywhere and run your whole company right from your phone. Join over twenty thousand companies who trust net sweet to make it happen net sweet surveyed hundreds of business leaders and assemble the playbook of the top strategies they're using as America reopens for Business Receive Your Free Guide seven actions. Businesses need to take and now and schedule your free product tour at net sweet dot com slash Dan. Get Your Free Guide and schedule your free product to a right now at net sweet dot com slash Dan. That's net sweet dot com slash Dan. When you're engaged in a strict power, play like the radical left is to subjugate you. Conservatives every silence you bankrupt, you fire. You potentially imprison you. Shut you up by taking power over. They need a vehicle to take that power whether it's surrogates that will act on their behalf elected officials that let them do what they want. In other words. We're in charge. We just selected this idiot and he's going to stay kind of like the Mayor Seattle. You get like she's not doing anything. While a bunch of terrorists took over a portion of Seattle, so she's basically they're useful. Idiot, so we'll either elect those people who will be useful idiots in ponds for us, or we will take office ourselves. So, in their attacks on these statues, our culture everything else trying to erase their history. They will not touch a statue. or a politician who they think will advance their cause because you may be saying yourself right now. Why aren't they ripping down statues of FDR? Who Literally imprisoned Japanese in internment camps in World War, two. Why aren't they destroying ripping apart the history of Lbj who it's known? Use The N. Word around the White House known. It's been reported everywhere. What about all these college campuses Jesse Kelly radio. Radio radio host and a and a friend by the way he does a great show. Himself Jesse Kelly show who's been pushing all weekend satirically like? Why aren't they changing the name of Yale University? The Guy who yes yells named after was a slave holder. Why aren't they always what's going on with that? Because left this, don't care about this. They don't care about yellowstone. Slaves FDR in prison. The Japanese if LBJ dropped the N. word. They don't care about any of that. They know the Democrats are weak and they're useful idiots, and they will enable them to advance their power agendas subjugate you, so they leave them alone. This has nothing to do with anything other than attacking any component of. Of History that will get their way of taking overpower period four. Stop thank. You have a nice day. You don't believe me. Let's listen to a useful idiot. Here. Joe's very familiar with me to this guy is one of the Kings of the useful idiots. If there was like a Monarch Court Moron full of Useful Idiots Kris. Van Holly Yes. Yes, you've heard this year this exclusive. From the Great. Keri Pickett one of the few good journalists actually left out. There carries on parlor by the way. P, I, C K e Keri. Pickett is a great report. She's given us an exclusive on this audio. She catches up with disastrous senator from Joe's beloved state of Maryland Democrat Kristan Holland again. One of the kings of the useful idiot crab, and she basically says to a Mike Hey. Listen this whole statue tear down thing. Is this thing happened? and point answers kind of telling because it shows this guy has no principles. What so all the left knows. He has no principles, and that's why they'll never actually go after Kris van because he's the usefully, they need to obtain power. Listen to this audio. Check this out center. About the statues are there being ripped down? Particularly just by the Gilani's your thoughts on that. Well, my my view is that. Monuments that celebrate. Those who fought to protect the institution of slavery. Really have no place. Where but should they be ripped down by people four now? They need to. Be taken down and I understand. The sediment to pull them down and we need to be working. Sheep sheep sheep government. That's that's government. Be Standing by why the are ripping them down though. These are monuments to people who fought hard to protect the institution of slavery the ripping John. They need to come their abolitionist ripping down Gandhi the ripping down other monuments other than veteran. Generals luck talking about. About those that celebrate. Those who fought to protect slavery, the country, okay. You. Believe this cloud. Again. If there is a definition of useful, idiot, right AP Slash Chris Van. Holland Slash Chris. Van Holland Senator Maryland Democrat. Keri Pickett says who may okay, so this was about confederate statues, and you're angry and the left is angry at people who protected the of slavery, says well. What about the abolitionist? Chris van Holland who either doesn't know what an abolitionist did? Of course he does. He's not stupid or just pathetic. He's a law walk. Look this about people who protected slavery. The gavel drops the stupid hammer. We're GONNA CALMEST ABOLITIONISTS. You're pulling down statues of ABOLITIONISTS. An Bongino show. If you'd like to hear more subscribe to the Dan Bongino. Show wherever you get your podcast. Okay that was today's Bongino brief. Here's how to get it and listen to it on your Alexa device. On your phone or tablet? Open your Alexa APP. Click the hamburger menu in the upper left hand corner. Select settings then select flash briefing. 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FH Mini 17  The Monster Mash, with Mike Reiss and Ken Keeler

The Flop House Podcast

26:58 min | 9 months ago

FH Mini 17 The Monster Mash, with Mike Reiss and Ken Keeler

"Hey everyone. Welcome to the Flop House made we've got a treat for you today I will all introduce our regular selves and then I'll introduce our guests. I'm Dan McCoy Hey. I'm Stuart Wellington. I'm Elliot Kaelin, my regular Self Dan. Because I was bitten by a radioactive spider earlier in the day and I think my bones are weak as a result some less than regular. Okay and with us we have to a great comedy legend comedy writer guests. We've got Mike Reese of the simpsons a four-time any emmy winner and Ken Keeler of the Simpsons also Futurama Mike ask Ken how many Emmys he had turns out he has one more than Mike. So those keeping score right now it is Mike, four. Can Five Nine You never know. Like Elliott has a few lying around. You might just motor over give you one mike. I, mean, even the score it's possible I mean you'd have to scratch out my name, but I think that might be worth it just to make this game competitive again. There's the terrible joke I made I gave one of Miami's to my mom because I I didn't have earth. For And I plan moments she dies I wanna go house and graph fiemme. It will be like winning the Emmy for best. A. You. Could get lucky. Yeah. You're right. Dan. That's the right way to take that one. It's just. About that. Say. I needed. For my mom. We tweeted at each other briefly but this is the first time I've seen by face to face and within minutes. Yeah. Dan Usually waits until at least the second appearance to wish death upon the mother of. thinking how many emmys well. Well One, more than Mike. So it's a very special thing that brings us all together. Today this this this episode will be released on Halloween itself, and of course, there's one Halloween song that towers above the rest thriller. Neil. That is the that is the only one that comes close but we're talking of course of the Monster Mash and I tweeted about the Monster Mash recently, as I want to do every year, round the Simon, sometimes not at this time. Of the year and Mike Somehow saw this and. Talked about how much he can love the monster mash yeah it was. It was probably one of those content aggregating sites that was putting together the world's worst tweets. He might he might have had a google alert set for writers who are supposed to be worth, right. Anyway this. Long. Story Short. We're here to talk about the monster. Bash. Of course by. Bobby Boris Pickett who I I wanted to say I, I was looking into this. You might be surprised it is hard to find a complete discography of all of Bobby Boris. PICKETT's songs online. But he did chase after this particular rainbow many other times in his career. He also wrote Monsters Holiday Monster Motion Transylvania Twist Blood Bank blues, me and my mummy, the monster swim and the monster rap, and I think that there are more that I was not able to attract down so he tries to know because As everyone knows that he first came to public attention when Alan Lomax was walking. By. Is at Louisiana with its tape reporter. And found Bobby Boris Pickett singing what he assumed that I was an old spiritual about the creation of A. Brought back to life corpse. Rocket into superstardom. So who knows what he recorded on wax cylinders or things like that before that in the small recording studios the south. Hard to say. You. Have the album in the. The the Bobby Forest picking. Absolutely no. Okay. I WANNA get jump in and just gives them his three on this which was in nineteen eighty one I think Ken Keeler was working on Newsweek parody Harvard Lampoon was doing any wrong with started. Reporting. This the sort of blurts Monster Maj ads if it was a breaking news. I mean everybody loved this article and it's still reads great but I. I think what was so special about it is. The idea that. This sudden realization. Everybody knows this song every single for not only note at urged. Pretty familiar with all the lyrics and the turns A. so I thought that was the great observation and that's why I insisted can be there I, have scratch my head to remember what prompted it I mean it was the middle of summer. Bring it on the radio. Whatever was came to. In, a flash as they say, the way things catch on and. I, it wrote itself as I always say took about five minutes and I suppose you could make it better but it wouldn't really change the essence of it. It's just that's the monster mash. Happened and okay. That is like the monster. Mash has entered. Kinda like. Folklore status the same way that like I have a six and a half year old son and the other day goes Daddy Daddy. You've heard this song about jingle. Bells. Batman, smells and I was like, yeah, I've heard it. How did you hear it like? Monster Mash is like that like it's just it's just lower now it just. It just reflux around and everybody knows it I. Don't know there's always been a mash. Your son hang out on like. Old. Railroad. Tracks and with hobos. Was Him and Alan Lomax just wandering the by US looking for. For tricia American. On this podcast black. I've been looking for an opportunity for years for years he'll be joining me. I. Do feel like there's a an archive went through with the Monster Mash whereas I was a kid who enjoyed it because it was a song about monsters living play. And then I grew older and I'm like, fuck the song, the songs novelty tune like it's just like this nonsense song that was like a cash in and then as a drone. Monster. But as I've been older like I, don't know whether Stockholm Syndrome or what but like what is cheap and about the monster mash is what I has come to love it like the more nakedly. It is this attempt to just do a novelty hit the more I love it. You know and although it did come about kind of organically like he he like is my understanding that he just started to do a Boris Karloff impression with his band on stage one night and people loved it. So there's like this what I do now. There's. Dan Is. The ARC I go through every time I listen to the song it first starts and I'm like up here it comes the Monster Mash. This is GonNa be fun, and then about two versus and I'm like what the fuck is this. Like it's such a dumb song and it soon, totally not in keeping with the spirit of the universal monsters and then by the end of it like a God who admired he wrote a whole song about this monsters doing a dance like and. The other day and like what who? Up, Dan Dan. Dan You are a parody of yourself in quarantine playing Monster Mash on guitar in your apartment. Audrey it really likes to sing. We can't go to Karaoke obviously because like that would murder everyone right so we were I was just playing guitar or singing songs and I was like. The Monster Mash and get to like get done with verse three and I'm like surely this song is over. A lot more. To take exception to this you and I never thought it was stupid. I mean I never thought it was brilliant yet. When Name Win Bobby Boris. Pickett. wrote it. He sort of knew what it was. That was appealing about it I don't feel like. When people for example, like your tweets to me those don't read as making fun of it. It's yeah. If you if you showed them bobby more speed. Yeah. That's about right. I'M GONNA go for which is. Because nothing else to do. thinking. About the monster man for a month now, we'd be duping a fifteen minute podcast. And I'm not being facetious. Say I think if they'd be the great song in the three of. And part of that is like I'm old enough. We had the single winter came out. I. Was Three we had playing in the how. And I've never gotten tired of it and we have we ever eat Halloween we break out this dancing Franken spouting the place. And I still enjoy the song every single time and I can't listen to the Beatles anymore two hundred thongs I'm sick of everyone of them. Runs through Nashville does it for me? I. I say stupid I say it with great affection because some of my favorite things are very, very stupid but I love the I mean it tells a horse whole story. But. I don't know. This may be controversial but I don't think the story holds together. I will say it's more coherent than the later universal monster movies where thrown all the monsters into a house together to see what happens. You know it's at least it tells a better story than that but the here's the here's the main issue I have with it, and this is gonNA sound. possibly. PEDANTIC is that he's doing a Boris Karloff impression for Dr. Frankenstein essentially force among often play Dr Frankenstein he should be doing a Colin Clive impression. Well, there you have it bars fit threw down the gauntlet. What do you say that? You, got them every item boom to consider this myth busted. About the story of the song is. And this is why I think it's a rich is. You don't expect it. It's actually track. He's he has he has the change of Heart in it. Yeah he's the. Learn something. It's sort of like the last version of the stars for. was. Supplanted by the monster, manage these bidder, but it has a happy ending now flaming with the bad that is Arkansas. Well I liked the narrator reassures you in case you'RE WORRIED THAT DRACULA BEARS GRUDGE. He says now everything's cool drexel part of the band. Okay. The minor conflict that. That, that pinpoint something I love about Halloween and the way these monsters have become such an accepted part of like culture and kid culture is these literally talking about their specific bedroom where vampires eat people and there's all these ghouls but the problem of it is Dracula's not happy about this song don't worry they made up like the fact that they're all GonNa leave and murder people is not an issue. It's totally okay. Well also, I like do these do these monsters I guess universal horror movies a proven that these monsters do just hang out together. Run into each other. Sometimes they're in the same business. Yeah. They meet each other titles say but like in the. Clarion call like as soon as the Monster Mash starts happening, which immediately they know to call the mashed for some reason I don't know what that is but they come. Swooping in like Oh parties happening a monster party specifically even though for you the living this mash. Absolutely. Is Like a style. Nash Is. Remember the mashed potato. No you wouldn't remember the mashed potato there a series of mashed potato. Mash was another Mesh in that style in the same way that the Swiss family Robinson, they're not named Robinson. It's because another it's another novel in the style of Robinson crusoe. The mashes genre. As as we can tell by how many other mashes there been. On this show. Mash. There's the movie mash. All part of the same lineage I. Guess they're mad. You know that makes that makes the monster swim make a lot more sense to me. Like Oh. Yeah. The swim is a type of dance where's having never heard the monster swim I'm just imagining you go to a public pool and they're like, okay kids out of the pool it's monster swim time you know that was what? Gilman gets in. Labs. All Mad. They can't swim. They're mad that they're mad that the bride is swimming super slowly just really rubbing it in that she gets the pool alter herself. I do Dan you mentioned. Mentions the song is for you the living as well I like that because it's like a little touch of Abraham. Into the song. Notice, that I've been thinking about over the past couple of weeks. It's. been made me look at all the lyrics. elegantly written I mean that dialogue is. Amiss perfect there's no forced or faked rhymes in the whole thing. Well. Oil Object only to only to highlight what is actually my favorite part of the song because I believe it to be the most awkward part of the song which I guess I guess it's the breed because it is different from everything else in the song you would. You would. You would call the bridge where it's. The zombies were having fun. The party had just begun the guests included Wolfman Dracula and his son and I love it because. It does feel like in the middle of the song he like gave up for a little bit before he got a second wind. Like like right in the middle of saw he's just like, okay. Well, who was on the guest list I'll I'll explain that and then now back to the back to the Rock and part of the, there's a lot of monsters you can't have lyrics for all of them. You know you just gotta its up point just listening you know. Luna mutant was there also probably King Kong? Maybe, the characters from the black cat were they monsters. Let's just continue with the song. See there's around pretty damn. Someone to serve when we met in part of why I love this song, you can just keep unpacking it and someone mentioned that Dracula wakes up from his coffin in the middle of the Party at which makes you think she said so he came to the party with his call up and. It. Makes you think all. Dracula's. Going to save all. The. Detail that I've been thinking about a lot is that the coffin bangers or banners? I'm not quite sure which probably coffin baggers were about to arrive with their vocal group, the crypt kicker five. Now, the songs credited to pick it and the CRIP kick. What happened the coffin baggers? How did they lose their credit? I mean they're apparently the musicians moreover because the crap vocalist. Somebody get screwed out some royalties Oh my God. And it's the crypt kickers. Glass. On Shit kickers. Suddenly hit because what is that otherwise I can only assume yeah, I mean it's got a it's one of those one of those jokes like when they did the poster for the smurfs movie and they're like Murphy and bring it on. Bring it up only makes sense because you know it means shit. Is Not a fan of the kids movie and tag lines that we need know swear words to say. Yeah I. I guess. It's interesting. You rarely hear a song that documents the credits that the songwriters then try to hide like there's not there's not a lot of the band strategy. Yeah. It's like, Hey, look you're listening to. A secret. Since probably why he had won. A. And this is something else I derived to Ken about it because he is a mathematician which was. The Monster Mash is Dan but it's also a saw they save the band was playing the Monster Mash, but the song, the Monster Mash is out the song the Monster Mash tells you the creation of the song and goes to the end say it's the end of the land. So somehow the song knows that a song will be like, oh I. Found it more computing than. I. MEAN I. Assume, that yeah, we like I think this has been observed before but the the Monster Mash Song is not about is we do not hear the song the monster mashed within the monster mash the mass mashes we know in this universe is a song about another song. Called the monster unless unless it is this song, they added on a lyric at the add on a new verse like a Celena Tori for. Two or a boastful I I don't know. But you're right is it does raise the question of whether there is another monster mash out there and whether it may even now still be lyric. Castle. Forcing people to rock out to this dance that as far as I know nobody knows how to do like a lot of those dance songs would explain how to do the dances right like what we're likely on the time Warp Song Rock pictures explains how you do the time warp, but I don't know how I mean the Monster Mash is some kind of mashed potato dance but I, don't know what you do. That makes it monster. You know it is my understanding that it is like the mashed potato but you hold your arms out in a sort of a Frankenstein's monster traditional stereotypical. motion you're really missing you're calling is like a Bar Mitzvah like MC air-to-air like hype man who might gets everybody? Dance. Day for peaking. Monster Monster Mash is not a huge. Barmitzvah Song. That's I mean. I mean, maybe it is a at Transylvanian Bar mitzvahs. Don't know I mean I. Don't know if you WANNA reveal this Elliott but I mean we're talking about big life party events and I there there's a very important connection that you personal connection you have to the monstrum well, yes. Sure. We'll dance the Monster Mash in my wedding. Yeah that goes. Scientific. Twist ending to this podcast. It was not the first dance song was that the recommend Fitzgerald for it. WAS A. Spark. Yeah we. Park. It was originally I was only of is for you not the shop version of it closer to the version from the movie dame's but. then. The believe it was former coworker remind James Jimmy Don who? Requested that the Monster Mash be played by the DJ and I was delighted at that choice until two versus in rows like I'm still dancing to a song about monsters. and. Then by the end of it, I was like I liked. To Monster Song and my wedding. So the site again I went through that whole. That whole personal emotional rollercoaster that comes with the Monster Mash. Dan Do. You think we'll ever see a resurgence in monster novelty pop songs again. I hope. So you now like I feel like the last the the closest we got was win unexpectedly like two bars of Werewolf, Bar Mitzvah took the country by storm and they're like we gotta put out a longer version of this, and so there's a fuller version of where our middle you can find. But think if you're a universals dark universe had gotten to make more movies if they would've played like a soft slow acoustic version of the monster Bush over on the trailers. would be like print version of the monster manage. Just. Like. Ambiguous shots, monsters. Well, that was the song. If I if I'm remembering correctly came out around the time that there was a resurgence in monster stuff because the universal movies were being re released to theaters and also package for television broadcast. So it was like suddenly monsters were big again and so I wonder if maybe just maybe there's some beautiful in the future when we can stop worrying about the world around us and start worrying again that someone's going to bring a dead body back to life and it's GonNa, throw a girl in Lake or like Dracula's GONNA walk around and have both a daughter and a son. Mentioned in the song, but he has a movie where she has one I don't know maybe that's too beautiful. A world's hope but it's what I'm working towards with my new. ACT OF POLITICAL ACTIVITY PAT group It's it's called they'RE REFERRING TO DRACULA'S SON thought they're referring to the WOLFMAN SON and Dracula's there to. Dracula and his son. But you. Used Wolfman. Stewart we gotta deal with this we gotTA. Stewart. Film. Guests included Wolfman Dracula his. Back to the front. Okay. So here's another question about how that might work. It's IT'S AT SOME POINT DRACULA TURN into a Werewolf and it's get list included Wolfman parentheses. Dracula. and. His. Son. Is. Possible it's possible. Proved me wrong Stewart I mean. Much, like we release a damned soul by. Driving a stake through their heart, I feel like we need to release our guests from this horrible monster purgatory. We've put them into because they promised them. Too much time talking about this stuff. But I WANNA thank. You knew why make promises you can't keep. Damn. Fool with that one. Bill, not as long as the song itself. It's. Going to continue to talk about the model after this is over. I mean, we could do it I. I. Got Stomach more to talk to you have more. Talent. Board might see a good wrap up, but it's sort of happy ending, which is. Trend of. Rice the comic strip, Zits, and I don't mean to Brag. But he and. He's made enough money offers it that he was able to buy a Malibu Beach House on the beach and the House on his left was zone by. Papa Scout the man who operated and created the als. poppet. And the guy on his right was bobby borders pick it. So bad has got to be the funnest lock in mouth. That's that's like what my my idea as a child of what it would be like to be like a famous Hollywood entertainer. Like I'm GONNA live next door to Alpha I'M GONNA. Live next door to bar bobby. going. To be. Amazing. What did he say? Did he say what was he a good neighbor? Did he tell you anything about him or? They would party all night. The what how up to monsters come. On, of my Jolt. From his electric. Doorbell rings at night and you get up. There's a mummy at the door and you're like next door. Sat. Really like Lou breed. About the Abelino. That's Oh. Now I want to see. Now I, want to see the movie about Bobby Boris Pickett where he's like no one's writing songs about us man be sitting in a bar like. Okay well. Thank. Thank you so much for being with us a Mike, and Ken. I don't know if you if you have anything to plug for whatever worth we have as a as a as a mouthpiece for that please do it. we might be able to help them get the word out about the simpsons. Sun Song, comes up like Eric Trump where you've. Got Nothing to do he comes hardy with Dad. Mention of he doesn't have his own. I cook like couldn't find a babysitter this leads. Doing doing a Wolfman impression or a drag show. That was the Wolfman. Okay well. On that note to all of our listeners and to everyone of the world happy Halloween. Everyone's rolling their eyes and cuts. Maximum Fund Dot Org, comedy, and culture artist owned audience supported.

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Ultraviolent Friday Orbit

The Solid Verbal: Living College Football

50:52 min | 11 months ago

Ultraviolent Friday Orbit

"Welcome to the solid verbal. Asked me. A man one, forty, I've heard so many players say why Wanna be happy you want to be happy for day of state. Won't. Anti Welcome back to the private boys and girls try day. People can tell I think at this point, the more energized you sound the more they see through how tired Get psyched welcome back in. It's the UFO show I anti he is Dan. Thank you for tuning into the Friday edition of this crazy college football podcast where replace some space themed games? We talk about bigger picture type stuff. We appreciate you stopping by as always. Don't forget to subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts. You can find the Soliver Ball. You can also go out to social media and find us on instagram on twitter on facebook, and of course, now on the tube of us Dan. US okay. YouTube dot com slash the solid verbal. If you'd like more find video content such as this Mr Rubin steam anything I left out. I don't think. So I, mean you got the Sub Reddit, you have any social place. If you look for a solid and verbal, you'll find us. We're posting all sorts of videos that we never did before and having all sorts of fun after we hit stop on this will we we will record and shoot the the Bruin. It sounds like you need a brew to Heike Wizard. I could use a brunet. So, go to YouTube dot com slash thus solid verbal to see the newest Brunei that we do after our UFO show, and after our recap show, we do a little stuff after the preview show as well earlier on in the week. But yeah, that's a good time and we've all sorts of fun questions that we'd like to answer on video so you can hold us accountable visually. And maybe not be as confused. Did you've you've seen comments that people like thought tie was Dan the entire time? This is really screwing me up I enjoy those comments a lot I. Guess you look like a Dan and I look like a time maybe who? Who Knew? So, yeah. I'm excited to do that. We don't have a ton in the way of news just that there's more football happening tomorrow or today depending on when you listen to this, the PAC twelve may vote tonight today tomorrow I don't know. But at the time of our recording, they have not I have seen that in a couple of counties that House PAC twelve programs, lane county, which is where the University of Oregon is and Boulder County which is obviously where. The University of Colorado is there have been some spikes that have been problematic as for gatherings but at the same time, California has made further exemptions for college football teams to practice and gathering large groups. So a totally uneven situation but we'd expect nothing less given everything about twenty twenty can ask a question maybe it's a dumb one. I know man they're all of our questions are dumped. So this is just standard hit. What is what is the deal with these votes? Votes the votes right like. If you read the press clippings on these so-called votes, right? We didn't even know if one actually happened. In the big ten even chancellor's an eighties didn't know like, Oh we don't know that kind of dead or not. Yeah it's all very unclear. But what is what is the deal with these votes I need to know more about the process by which they are conducted because you know the way it is sounding through all of these press reports that I've read. It's like they're choosing a pope it's veiled in secrecy until the white smoke comes out the PAC twelve chimney at which point we'll learn the schedule. In reality, it's Probably, a very laggy zoom call right like how are they doing the votes? At this moment in time in twenty twenty. Because my guess is it couldn't be further from how I perceive it are we perceive it to be? All over zoom in terms of the technical aspect, it's all over zoom and I guess you just don't know if you raise a hand I don't know if you put on a white hat I don't know if there's something some sort of indicator that you are for or against having a season. I, think it largely depends on not schools actually wanting to but based on what the given thresholds are right so I mean we were on the same page with that in terms of what schools do in certain situations in what numbers might have to look like to cancel or something like that. But yeah, I, think we're talking about. A probably basic. Yea. Nay nothing more complicated than that, and it's the conference pitching very specific details to these schools, which is determining the day. Is President, Dabbling with the programmatic background with a duck. Or the you won't be like I. Just I know you're talking about a physical physical visual back. Or they. Do digitally. You can upload shirt image and you can kind of make it seem like you're one with technology. I just need to know more about the voting process, the meeting process. I feel like a real accurate account and oral history of that. Is exactly what I need for this moment in time you. So you're not necessarily interested in the different points that are raised and not a different threshold. Less how scheduling might work you are interested in who is the most awkward technological parents of all of the presidents and chancellors who does not know how to unmask themselves. Can turn the camera on who accidentally walks doesn't realize that it's a full body shot is wearing boxer shorts or something like that. Okay I like that I like that element of it. So it's sort of like school presidents and Chancellors. They're just like our dumbest aunts and uncles who looking for who among us is going to pick the photo from the beach trip last year and use it as the backdrop in this zoom. You know that happens now address these. Know each other you know that happens. How our your work calls I want I wanted to get in trouble. Now are your work calls? Does there always somebody on a group meeting that goes for it on the zoom now we don't have a lot of video calls actually. Really. Yeah. I know a lot of people out there do but we don't. We haven't had a whole lot of those It's really only as needed, but it's been a learning curve. I think for a lot of folks in in. America you know to kind of adapt to this new reality of having to be on camera not. During early on a few months ago when we were in California, we did weekly Trivia with my in laws and you know it's cousins and who have a few different people on the Zoom Zoom Trivia and it was always the older participants that couldn't really get a good hold on the mute on mute situation. So you ask a question like this is the stupidest question like we we can hear your mom right here. That's always fun. It's always wonderful to to say guys Mute Yup. It's right there. So I'm positive this is happening on the PAC twelve big ten whatever calls headset. A headset with a mute button is essential. Right. Now, essential to own essential to have essential to master. I am still mastering mine I believe I was on a phone call. During which I threatened to take my puppy back to. New Jersey. And everyone in the room. Heard it. But I would like there to be a requirement on these calls that every participant brings like a twelve year old or twenty, three year old to the call to just monitor things from a equality control stamp QC standpoint perhaps added staff member. Figure that out, we shouldn't be figuring out of season. Well Welcome back here we talk college football mostly I do need to know more about this. So if we have any inside sources out there. Solitaire will at gmail.com, don't forget as you are preparing to watch these games start thinking through maybe how you want to call the river blend this weekend. Yeah you know four hundred verbal one. Give us a Holler. Let us know in the moment we went in the moment reaction. As you're watching these games. The SEC is underway Dan. My guess is there's there's a lot of raw pent up emotion that just needs. Needs. An outlet? For going give us a call and we're getting closer to big ten season. So perhaps big ten people watching from the sidelines have thoughts. I'm seeing. This was new to me I'm just seeing this headline now is record this. It looks like Rondell more opting back in. Great great as of eight minutes ago opening role open enrollment come and go as you please but only for a few weeks. So the big ten with the addition of both Rondell more and Rashad Bateman getting better at receiver. This is good news. This is Great News I. Love Raheel more. We do love Rhonda. He's tip these. He's tipped his hand at this point that he's going after the year but that's okay. Fine. Come on back baby. I think we mentioned the Notre Dame wake forest cancellation but since then also it's been Tulsa Arkansas state south Florida Fau and North Texas Houston. Houston just the worst luck in terms of scheduling it's tough season they tried to to to set something up real quick with Baylor and that fell through and now Houston North Texas has fallen through on and it's because of situations at North Texas not anything to do. With Houston positive tests as far as I have seen. So it's a really rough way because it seems like the players have done everything they've been asked to stay safe and adhere to all the protocols sell. It looks like by my count four games postponed but still a number of them hopefully moving forward in a healthy ways should we get to our game this love to ufo Baby Ufo? Let's do it. What's what's this you turn? This week Friday orbit. Is Ultraviolet Dan. Okay. Okay. Welcome on into our ultraviolet. Friday orbit would you like to hear why it is the alternative Friday orbit? Then of course, what do you know about UV light? Have you heard of UV? Alter Violet light. Yes I know it comes from the Sun. No it's why I have to wear sunscreen correct can do damage to you I. Know You can't see it even though it has the word violet in it'd be really cool if you knew if it was an especially Purple Day. But it's right. I actually did a little bit of research because you can do space photography with ultraviolet light using ultraviolet light, the the swift observatory, a satellite. Up in. Space taking pictures. Do you know where the the swift observatory satellites is? The mission of the Swift Observatory satellite is run through. I mean the Andrea Swift now I don't know. It does have to me vaguely college football connection the Pennsylvania State. University. High should know this the Neil garrels swift observatory shooting. Hi Rez ultraviolet space photography galaxies far far away on on film. I should have known that but alas, I did not know. That show to give them a raise. Sorry Dan. UV light makes up about ten percent. Of the radiation emitted from our sun, it is harmful to people. It can cause skin cancer just A. Plain. Old Fashioned Sunburn but but but but but. It is also beneficial. Because it causes the body to produce vitamin. D. which is essential to life. Yes. It is. So it's kind of like the ultimate double edged sword. In our weird little world here of college football. It is sort of a metaphor for how we treat the sport. Is it not? For sure is ultraviolet light the the cause and solution to all of skins issue, right? So today Dan yeah today we are examining fringe cases in the Great Sport of college football we're looking at quarterbacks who could either kill your team or make it stronger on any given week. I like this a lot. Okay. All right. So when I Came up with this concept. The guy who came to mind first and foremost was Kenny pick. And I don't mean to pick on pit. I'm not trying to pick on anybody. Pick on PIT KENNY PICK IT OKAY But Kenny Pickett Kenny pick it. I think is a really good case for discussion here. Right like we've seen him have three hundred yard games. We've also seen him decidedly not have three hundred yard games and almost like he doesn't know what he's doing out there. There are other names on this list that maybe aren't quite as extreme. But everyone kind of falls into that fringe territory of. Which version of this quarterback are we going to get this week? So, we start with Dan. How do you feel about Kenny Pickett What how do I feel about Kenny Pickett? How do you feel about Guinea pig? I don't think he has a ceiling as an upper half ACC quarterback and if pit isn't running the ball like they did two or three years ago. There is there is very little way to see a pit game that he is not doing basically as much damage as he is doing good and so I am. I understand the double edged sword because he's put up some pretty good statistical games but I'm just it's hard for me to see him circling around orbiting around to becoming. Not. An issue, right like I. Don't think he is going to get to the point where he can just not throw interceptions and do well enough on third down and not be a reason pit wins just not be a reason pit loses I. Don't think he has that ceiling, which is a bummer because their defense has gotten to be really really strong. I think I agree with that. So here's the deal with picket. So far this season pits obviously. To now beat Austin P. Syracuse. Going to get harder this week against Louisville for shore. Pick it both games basically seventy percent completion percentage. First Game. Against Austin P. They lit up Austin P fifty five nothing. Fourteen yards per attempt but. After that against Syracuse. I. Know Syracuse is making some upgrades on defense. I. Don't know if they've all taken yet but only six yards per attempt if you go back and look at what he Did last year, there are plenty games in their. Six. Yards or fewer per attempt. Now, we do have instances. Where that was not the case we have an instance against Penn state in particular where he threw for three, hundred, seventy, two yards and was well over seven per attempt. mazing it's not amazing. But which can pick it. Are we going to get this year? The remainder of the way? Are we going to get the Kenny Pickett that threw for three hundred yards not once not twice not thrice but. Five. Times last season. Or are we going to get the Kenny Pickett that threw for one hundred, forty, six yards against Miami of Florida last year which Kenny Pickett are we going to get the rest of the way? I mean it's going to be somewhere in between I don't have their exact schedule in front of me but I you watch him play football and imagined pit fans know this all too well. Even after a really impressive play from him. You'RE GONNA, get two or three throwing off his back foot stepping into the wrong lane or wrong pocket area. There's just an awareness issue with Kenny. Pickett that. If he hasn't overcome it by now hope to be wrong. It seems like he just sort of is what he is. So he might give you a couple of glimpses but for every one of those, you know three, hundred, twenty, three, three, hundred, forty, four, there's going to be another couple duds. That's that's who he is to me. Couple duds all right. I mentioned Penn State let's let's stay in the Great State of Pennsylvania he threw the fifty one times by the way against Penn State to get to three, hundred, seventy, two. So. Correct. Yeah. Sorry about Sean. Clifford. Okay I better say about Sean Clifford Sean Clifford Twenty three touchdown passes a year ago to only seven interceptions. He was also fairly mobile on the ground ran for four hundred yards on the year five rushing touchdowns. I think that's an element of his game that. Kirk Chirac is gonNA look to. Try and get more out of we've probably said Kirk shorrock has named more than any other non penn state podcast this offseason probably yeah. I was on youtube looking up pronunciations of that damp. That's my Go-to for. Of course. I felt like. Sean Clifford got worse. I know he was Nick Up. I never got the impression that in his. Two Thousand Nineteen campaign. He was necessarily getting better. And you're never really a fan of the rookie Ronnie offense to begin with and so when he's beat up running an offense that you weren't a fan of somebody who paid close attention to this offense, it doesn't feel like a great cocktail. Yeah. It felt like an album that had no continuity from track to track. Okay. Yeah. There were predictable qualities. To that Ricky Ronnie album but they're just didn't feel like there was continuity like it was going somewhere like it was trying to tell a story. and. I do think Clifford was. A bit of a victim there, and that if he did not show improvement from the start to the finish play calling a lot to do with it, but we obviously haven't seen. What is twenty? Twenty campaign looks like yet because they have few weeks before they actually start playing. So I guess all we have to go on his one year Dan what was your reaction to what we saw your one under Clifford? Went. Back and watched the Minnesota game because that felt like there was a good mix of the good and bad. Accuracy issues for sure. Downfield he led a lot of balls hang like his his deeper ball, even his longer intermediate passes left a lot to be desired in terms of arm strength in touch. But I came away impressed with his ability to extend the play that indescribable Moxie the word that you love so much like I I felt like Sean Clifford, had a good amount of that with his ability to run. And extend plays I came away saying, okay. If Penn State's running an offense where they're not depending on him to rifle balls downfield too tight creases now, they probably will against teams like Michigan Ohio State during his time at Penn State. But if they're not counting on that as part of the offense able to run the ball more and he has more wide open receivers because of play action and. Running, well. And Pat Fryer with being able to go up and get balls that to me becomes really interesting if that's what Kirk Chirac is. Offense looks like Penn state that it's more custom made for what Sean Clifford Cannon can't do because if it looks like if the offense looks like what Joe Moorhead was running with trace mcsorley where they were really bombing downfield a ton and trace mcsorley with time was completing a lot of those passes. I don't think Sean Clifford set up to succeed at. Penn state. But if it's quick hitting, if it slants if it screens if it's wide open play action I think he should take a nice step forward given his ability to run and with what I think. It will be a better offensive coordinator situation is that is any of that abounds no I it it is a better offensive coordinator situation I hate to say it by default it's better. Do they have a problem? Why? Though they do who is not wide? It's lose the problem wide. I don't know. That's okay. Sorry. Sorry. Let me let me rephrase. Do they have a problem in a good way? Do they have a guy who will be a problem to other big ten defenses without you know obviously cage a hamlet gone right like is is there that Goto dude out wide frame youth looks to be promising up the middle but is there somebody was like Oh safety is GonNa have to keep an eye on him walk I heard the question the answer is still I don't know I don't know that's that's I think one of the great unknowns about the twenty twenty campaign it can Japan Datsun step up. Right. He's a named people now I don't know. Yeah he hasn't yet. He's had flashes. I honestly shorter did not work out and he transferred I honestly don't know. So I could list names off but the truth of the matter is I don't I don't know. I. Don't know if any of those guys are going to rise to that level to really be the GO-TO. So no think is part of it. None of what you said is out of bounds and I think that's a that's a big part of it. He did have a little bit of that Ian Book. Quality to them in that he was gritty toughened could run if he had to. But also archetype we have but also stared a little bit too much at the defenders coming at him and some happy feet and a little bit a deer in headlights from time to time. Yeah he the the Iowa game was rough and I don't know when exactly he got dinged up but his numbers off a cliff really into October like it didn't happen all that late into the air it was the purdue game was probably his last good one. I. Mean he he did a decent enough job bringing penn state back against Minnesota but had backbreaking interceptions. Stay wins that game if not for the turnover now for the turnovers know for sure. Let's go to your boy Max. Dougan I. Know You you. We can't go a day on the solid verbal slack without you talk about backs dug in this eligible eligible but back, healthy cleared back healthy cleared. We're grateful for that. I. Am looking forward to seeing his twenty twenty campaign get underway whenever that is don't know if it's going to be this weekend. But. You're a huge Max, Doug, and Fan. Dan Archer. I like his arm strength more than Clifford's I. Think his top end speed is higher than Clifford's as well. I worry about a little bit about receivers and the offense at Tcu after taking the step back that it took it was rough at. Full on difficult to watch last year and I know people were pointing to is dual threat ability in the arts was able to pick up on the ground, but there was. In watching Max Dougan I watched a quarterback who probably should have red shirted who probably should've taken time to get mental reps because the mistakes that he made seem to be you know communications breakdowns with receivers not understanding his reads and who to read you know. I. It was it was a happy feet situation i. know he was thrust into that starting role I'm sure he was the best option. TCU has had transfer issues and injury issues. So that was probably the best move and he was a playmaker so I'm I'm encouraged that. He can be someone who develops with those mental reps into a top half of the big twelve quarterback but TCU ceiling if he if he doesn't take a noticeable jump this year. It's hard to imagine that they can just be led by running the ball and defense in him. Not Turning the ball over they're going to need a plus year for Max Dougan to have any chance of taking a step forward or else they're going to waste what looks to be another pretty good defense. Yeah I think that's I. THINK THAT'S ACCURATE I. I would point to some of the efficiency numbers though that we saw last year and they just they weren't efficient through the air. At all now. As a whole I remember doing the TCU preview year ago expecting more out of the ground game. Then ultimately, they ended up getting it I mean they were fine on the ground. Don Implying, they were terrible rushing team or anything like that. But. I expected more. We didn't get it and I. Think you're right to say that. There was definitely A. Red Shirted quality to what we saw a year ago. That said, I think the potential jumps off the page at. You. You can you can look at numbers and tell you one story but If you. Watch. Him Out there is a Moxie that I like. No. There's there's an element especially with the way he runs the ball that if they can better tailor the offense to his dual threat ability, it should open things up in the past game. I don't know if it's more zone read stuff. It's more rollout stuff quick read or go kind of things for him by. Down, Max Dougan and this was was an offensive issue at every level but down Max Dougan brought Tcu down. He was the reason I mean every quarterback is if an offense has down game basically but it was. Another it was. It was kind of Kenny. Pickett ish to me that it becomes very tough TV to watch and I am desperate to watch football and what TCU's offense look like at times against the better teams on their schedule it was just bad, TV? Speaking of bad TV. Talk about jar, guarantee no. Okay. Well, I. Mean There's very stark contrast here I'm ready. Yeah. I don't feel like Erin has gotten any better. And He has. I don't know there is a definitive boomer bust quality. To guarantee no, and the extremes are are pretty polarizing. We've got games where last year he threw for over four hundred. Missouri. We've got other games that have been far from four hundred and he's gotten hurt. Where do we stand on guarantee? No is he getting better? How do you feel about him within the framework of the Twenty Twenty Tennessee campaign? So, quarterback was up in the Tennessee they rotated they started bri more whatever and. It sort of I think can shake quarterbacks confidence physically good Jarrett guarantee. No is crazy impressive. Now, the bottom of the SEC is where he made a lot of his hey, last year and so he was Pretty bad extended time against the best teams on Tennessee schedule. Now, their schedule should be better this year in terms of the hit after hit after hit but. It's just the way he was not able to come out of the gates. Last year was definitely knock against him. He was I guess okay against Georgia state and not that great against Byu and then it things just got worse over the first half of that season. But he did to me regain some confidence at least against the lower part of the conference. Now, Tennessee has designs of being I think rightfully. So competitive against the class of the conference. and. So for jared guarantee, not to be a part of that improvement, it's I mean it's basically all going to be on his consistency and accuracy, and he's had a number of different offensive coordinators. Now Year two with Jim, Chaney seems like he's irrefutably the dude and so now going into this year, it's the winnable games that he has to perform much much better and so last year that was Georgia state and Byu of course. Beyond that though when he had extended periods of time last year especially that second half he looked more confident. He was stepping into his throws extending plays with his feet. He was spreading the ball out now. So I think his upside is still Fine. What he has around him is it seems like it's more impressive than it ever has been even losing a couple of big pass catchers. So I'm cautiously optimistic that his slope is moving maybe not sharply, but upward and so. It was it was confident going down fields in November I think it will carry over somewhat given the continuity just with the coaching staff and I saw Jeremy Pruitt got an extension as well. I don't know that's not going affect them but the continuity to me seems like a big deal. Yeah I. You know here's the thing. It's been a work in progress at Tennessee for a long time. This is not lost on Tennessee fans anywhere. It's been a work in progress. I think they've got the guy now with Jeremy pruitt. The way the team played especially on defense I keep coming back to this down the stretch. Last year was really telling about where this team is at and that they've bought into his system. The offense should be a lot better. This year I've locked Tennessee up by the way week one on the road South Carolina at night minus three. I don't like walking up. Bro. Teams. But I think this core that is coming back on both sides of the football for the VOL's. Is really exciting. And if you're evolves fan, you should feel good about. The running game I think should improve it has to improve. It's going to be your to under offensive consultant, Jim? Chaney if Darren Tanno can get a little bit more of a support net. He probably wouldn't have to do as much in order to improve that is what I am counting. So I don't know if from a skill standpoint. We've seen anything that makes me feel all that excited about his ability to get better but I think if. Improves it's got like a rising tide lifting all boats quality to it. and His numbers will improve and Tennessee will improve to. If Tennessee is to have a definitively improved season given the Tennyson from last year. They. Have to win their first two games. That's mandatory. They have to win on the road in Columbia and they have to Mizzou with the first year head coach in. Knoxville, on the back half of their schedule, which is the three of four final games. It's hosting Texas A and Auburn on the Road Florida at home. So if they're able to start to know, it's that am game at home that I have circle like this is the referendum on Tennessee progress Texas A and M. at home coming week after Fayetteville Arkansas on the road. If they're able to beat Texas M. in Knoxville there is your proof of concept of not just jerk Aaron Tano but Tennessee as a whole. Let's stay with an end you mentioned a them. Kellyn Monde is An interesting case here. We talked about him last year at least I did. In the context of First off the schedule was brutal. Did Not, do them any favors But. It was always a situation where they were going to go as far as Callan Mon- could take him. And ultimately they ended up going eight and five. Throughout. The Course on the bowl game seven and file I think again a by product of the schedule. Good enough team top twentyish team. How do you feel about Callum on? I like him and I think unhealthily so. Okay I think, I'm way too high on Kellerman. Then perhaps, I should be you do have these yippie moments where he makes a really bad throw but then at the same time. He is very indicative of this game bright like there are qualities to cal in mind that you look at him. You see him out there running around you see him score at eight touchdowns. You see them making a big time throw. It's like Dan. This kid's got a lot of promise. You can't say that though without at least acknowledging the downside. There's plenty of that too. I totally agree I re watched all of his his throws from the Georgia game because I specifically wanted to look at for any of these guys games in which they sort of. Were there most average self and had they been better? They probably would've given their team a better chance to win. That was a close game that Georgia game that was a questionably officiated game to say the very least but I came away from that game and just from the General Kalomo Endings General Lamont Experience May. Always returning to the phrase where was this Kellyn? Monde earlier. Yeah. Where this Kellyn Monde against this team where was this Kalamata against that team? Where was this Lamont in the first quarter of the second quarter because against that Georgia defense mind you maybe the best pass defense in the country incredible pass defense. He was stepping into his own offensive line after holding the ball too long early on in that game, he was missing open slants missing open hitches makeable throws throws that would've taken Texas from second intend to third and three or to a first down, and then he's he's making those throws in the fourth quarter in mind you they didn't get into the hands. Down the first three quarters of that game. But he was when there was an urgency to the game, he became a Gamer. I just need to see four straight quarters of that Kellyn, Mont he sales a lot of balls. He takes a little bit too long in the pocket sometimes but the best of Callan Monde both as a runner and as a thrower. Is Pretty intriguing. It doesn't seem like Jimbo and that staff fully trust him to go downfield a ton which is fine play within your ability and if you're constrained by your system, just play to the best of that system whatever. But now without potential number one receiver, I don't know how much both he is going to be trusted. The receivers are going to be trust I. Know There's some intriguing speed in college station but I. I'm fascinated to see with and I have texts sane schedule in front of me three fascinating games after their opener against Vanderbilt on the Road Against Alabama Florida and Mississippi State Florida at home in week three is that Kellyn Monde referendum a good defense not the absolute best in the SEC at home with some time after playing vanderbilt. In Alabama. To get a sense of what your offense is and isn't that is the referendum on. The Kellyn Monde evolution because as a human, he's been crazy impressive specific moments specific plays specific games. He's been impressive. Now it's time to just this is he's in Grad School. Now it's time to get that masters. Now, I think I think that all tracks Dan okay, I was intrigued by Monde last year. I have in the whole time but I I am especially so. This year. I really am I think Grad schools probably a good way to put. It. It's time to secure masters. Let's go to Bow Knicks. Bonex. Is Do I have an argument with Bonex 'cause I SORTA it last year. Okay. Do I have an argument that the final stat line for him does not fully tell the story? Yeah I in some ways. Okay continue. Because I feel like at the very beginning of the season. So last year if we. Turn the page. Beat Oregon in his first game, it was gay Morgan could've won. I I remember well. Beat Oregon by what a touchdown twenty, seven, twenty, one. Here we go. He had moments in that game where he looked wise beyond his years. He was a true freshman starting. He's a legacy. You know there was a lot of steam on Bonex coming in. Numbers. Weren't great. But had some moments in that game where it was like, okay this is a kid who's a Gamer. And I think that much is is true the full way through? What I would say though, is that those moments sort of waned right like. There were moments against Alabama that. Were really exciting and there were moments against Georgia that. Made feel good. But there were like three interceptions against Florida that didn't make you feel. So high was a rough watch that was a rough watch of a game. Yeah, and there were there were. The kind of those Downer moments along the way as well where it was never fully apparent weather these were freshmen. Type things or whether this was a Beau Knicks type of thing. We will find out more this coming weekend. I saw him big. Boy Bets. Jeff took. Kentucky outright he did because part of what Bonex has working against him this year is that he's got an entirely new offensive line and also an entirely new offense. Coordinator out to some extent that he has to try and lower. So I don't know the answer to that. In twenty. Twenty Bo Knicks to me. It's we're at least within the context of this game. We are dealing with that question of how much of this was just him being a freshman versus how much of this is something that we expect to continue now into twenty twenty? Well, there are very few true freshman who are ready to play quarterback at a high level from day one and a conference. Let's get out of the that out of the way that this is not his his struggles. Last year are not fully on him. You can name the guys who have come in to a huge program with a stacked schedule like Auburn had last year and were above average that's just a near. Impossibility. So with that out of the way, there was a committee he was timid going downfield somewhat after some lack of success overthrowing dudes. He has a terrific arm physically bonuses and a fantastic space architecture of last year's offense was pretty questionable in terms of play calling in terms of injuries in terms of shuffling what kinds of throws he was trusted to make weekend week out at his worst he looked like he. Was In way over his head and at his best he looked like he was way in he was in way over his head. But when it counted, he was able to come through and that happened against Oregon that happened against Alabama after kind of lackluster performances. So I guess win your personal clunkers which Bonex did. So I'm encouraged by his ceiling I'm encouraged by some of the skill talent especially at receiver around him. But the shuffling that's happening literally in front of him along his line, and now with a new offense coordinator, and hopefully it's it'll be more of a quick hit offense like what Chad more stood at Clemson. So that gets him into a rhythm and gets the ball out of his hand quickly. So he doesn't need to sit in a pocket and make longer reads and go downfield as the entirety of the Auburn offense but. I am I am hopeful with a new offense that Bonex is going to look more comfortable not just because he's older but because we have a sense and I'm sure obviously the coaches have a sense of what he can and can't do comfortably. His twenty nine thousand nine campaign was in Omelette cooked. In an uneven cast iron pan I like this new omelette tie I like this some spots, the bottom was browned. Other spots it was still running. Not. Cook the way through. He was not in in a losing effort quarterback. He did not leave it all out on the field. He did not play his best and just get out by somebody he was the. Auburn lost games or almost lost games and so that that is that is something that needs to flip this year that he is just a bystander in a bad auburn performance not the one at the front of the parade no more stink. No more reason. Thank you. We got time for one more Dan you get to pick. Okay. So you can choose from the following you can choose Desmond Ritter. Shoes Spencer Sanders Ryan. Linski. Jack Cohn Tyler, shock who we just don't know anything about that. That was the one wild card I. Put in because he's a duck. James Blackman. Who any of those guys stand out to you? Blackman does, but I feel like I'm already on record I'm tap out yeah. I got enough sinonov on. Ben. And Spencer Sanders is hurt. He had a freshman campaign that. Look I think going into the year. made it pretty apparent that a lot of the season was going to hinge on what he could do and. I haven't seen what the deal is with his walking boot. But you want to talk about king cone. I have some thoughts on Jack Hone. All right. We'll give you think he's pretty good. Give me your king cone thoughts. Go ahead. I don't think he's ever going to be the reason. Wisconsin Beats Ohio State, and if Paul Chryst is okay with that. Continue along he had a program changing running back behind him in next to him, and that's in a program that's had a ton of them. So that running back Jonathan Taylor tailback is gone, the offensive line should again be good. There's experienced their. Wisconsin's never going to try to win downfield a ton and Jack Cohn completes a lot of his passes and. He is seldom the reason they actually lose a game. Usually they lose because of fluky reasons or a team is more talented and just out will's them and outguns them for four quarters. That's I. Mean. That's that's the mark of a truly really strong program that Wisconsin clearly as it's a, it's a balance, it's complete program. I am going to be curious this year because he has a blue chip next. Great Qb at Wisconsin behind him on the depth chart in Graham Mertz. Right? That's Mertz not hurts. I am curious to see if. If. They feel like what they have outside of jet cone is good enough to challenge for the conference title they return. They've got a lot front on defense back. The secondary is in really nice shape. They lose a couple of big time receivers led by What Quintas sees they lose the biggest name in the program Johnny Taylor Tailback but. If they feel like they're coming together. Nicely. I'm curious to see how much run Graham Mertz gets. If they believe he is that next step quarterback. That to me is fascinating. We've seen it happen before we've seen it happen before where we with Kelly. Bryant. Say at Clemson whereas like Trevor Lawrence is getting above Alabama right and Kelly Bryant has taken us far but we have somebody special ready to take us to another level. I'm curious to see how much action grammar it's gets if they feel like that's who he is. Now I think that's fair and I I think I sold Jack short. Last year because. In the bit that we had seen him in the twenty eighteen campaign, I was very underwhelmed. But yeah, I your guy. Yeah. First Year guy he did improve. Last? Season for sure. And So that's on me for maybe not giving him his do but I I do think there is a glass ceiling quality to what he can provide. He was awesome against Minnesota last year on the road in a decisive victory. No. I mean he has I think a little bit of that in him. I don't know we fully gotten to. His full potential. But It will be interesting to watch with Brammertz. The sallies. Yeah I mean he's just it's just that level thing. It's a pretty good ceiling but what is Wisconsin have designs off? He struggled against Oregon and certainly against Ohio state twice so I think we know who Jack Cohn is. It's a matter of how much is the rest of the team around him you know what? What is the running back position look like with a giant vacuum that jt left behind. That that to me is fascinating because there are pieces there are pieces in a short season weird things happening. Maybe, this is the year where the Jack Cohn Jamie moyer painting the corners things works. But I don't know still seems like he has a definitive ceiling. I think I'm with you and what's interesting I think about that. Wisconsin offense is it is. So. Fundamental. To having a good running game. Yeah. It's a good offense for quarterback that you just because of plaques and because of the focus on the running game, they're they're going to be open passing lanes that offense is always loaded. Yeah terms of the ground attack and. We've seen a few instances over the years and I guess the Russell Wilson Instance would probably be the most telling but. Russ had like thirty three. In that offense. Was a main contender obviously wild. Integration Yeah different iteration, right and. Now. A TOP-FLIGHT NFL quarterback, right like these guys don't grow on trees but. He might be the MVP right is that a thing that I've? I've heard so far. He's had an incredible year. Okay. But my only point is if you put a really good quarterback. Who can throw and can do all the things that rusted? In a system like that you're right. It's a great program great program for a quarterback. Cohn has all of those tools in the arsenal but. You can get a little bit better. It makes that team really really stout. And it's one that I don't think gets enough credit for taking some steps forward to evolve. They're not just lining up a fullback and tailback in the eye and just slamming in for four or five yards. It does feel like that sometimes. Does they've gotten more creative they've they've dallied with. They've had dalliances with the the RPO. With the spread they they have gotten more creative over the years, but they have just developed an impressive way that reputation for for power football and developing offensive linemen that smashmouth element but I do think that they've evolved impressively because. It's evolve or die, and they keep ending up and big ten championship game. So they're doing something right and so I'm just curious to see if if Paul Chryst if whoever has the cone ace if push comes to shove to say, this guy actually gives us the best ceiling chance. All right. Well. Fun Topic Right in. Solid Verbal Edgy, MEL DOT COM on us. Know your thoughts on. These quarterbacks and others maybe that we left off the list on our ultraviolet Friday orbit Dan. You who? We gotta get you that observatory her that Penn State, whoever is controlling the satellite telescope stuff that's the field trip we need I need to know if there's a joystick involved. Well I we gotta get to Hawaii. We do I gotTa get to the Malaria Observatory up there was that the check? And then we can. We can make our move to state college and see we feel. To the Keck observatory though. Like starts smaller at Penn State. I guess. But. We shouted out. I. So I I think they deserve priority. We don't Wanna Max Dougan situation where we Step up to the big leagues before ready. 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They're much more aware of media. I'm sure social media has a lot to do with that. So they've sort of grown with the boot camp as the NFL has done it now for thirteen years as I said, so it's really fascinated talk to the guys they're they're far more aware of many things in the industry than they were in the first couple of years when you know, we started though back here to NFL films. I guess you're in the first one, right? I one I've been every seven leave yet thousand seven here you go. See I must I must have taught you well Ross. Well, you teach me well every week when we talk about the guys getting ready for the draft or during the season when we break down what you're seeing on on the videotape. Let's get to the D line, Greg. And you know, people are saying it's clearly the strength of the draft. And just looking at the edge guys and the detectives man, there's a lot of names, Greg and a lot of guys that are going to go. Hi, a lot of guys that are going to go in the first round. It certainly seems like it's a bumper crop this year. Yeah. It's a good group. I mean, I know that if for a lot of people that do lists and mocks there's a lot of defensive lineman who are in the top twelve fifteen, and I know that for some if you just sort of grading players and evaluating players, regardless of how you think they'll go on a draft many have eight or nine kief offensive lineman in the top twelve or. Fifteen players. Yeah. And so it's a good year for defensive lineman. So let's dive into them because you've been awesome during this entire draft series that we've done, you know, and you've had some strong opinions. It's been clear some of the guys that you really really really like and some guys use some question marks about. So I guess we can start with Nick Bosa is it too simplistic to say, he's just very similar to his brother. Well, I think he's similar because I think one of the things that stands out about both is they're very refined and advanced in their hand usage and very often. That's something that players have to be taught. Much more as they get to the league. But I think that one of the things that Nick Bosa does really well that his brother does extremely well as well is they're both outstanding playing off contact with quick strategic can usage, they both have very good, upper body, strength and power. And I think Nick Bosa is very much that kind of player he he understands the leverage game. He has a nice array of counters to break down the past sets of offenses tackles. So he's he's essentially a four three in a base defense and in sub he can play the end or we can move inside. And rush the quarterback from the detachable physician much like Joey does with the chargers. So, you know, again, it's it's always easy to make that comparison because they're brothers. There's somewhat similar, you know. And I I don't think you'd call either one sudden or explosive, but they're very quick and their ability to play off contact makes them. Even quicker. And you know, what I love about it. I love because those guys are pretty good textbook examples of how you know skill still Trump's physical ability for the most part in the NFL so physical abilities, really important. But those guys don't have better physical ability than like, Rashawn Gerry. Right. But it's they're so good at their craft, which is gap. It's a profession. I liked it. It's yet to hone your craft and improve your craft to be good at what about what about Josh Allen from Kentucky talking de lines player that I really really like Ross because number one I thought he I watched him last summer, and I thought he improved dramatically from two thousand seventeen to two thousand eighteen particularly as a pass rusher. And I think that that really says a lot to me about just the way he sees the game sees his. In it. There's no doubt he transitions as an rusher. I think that he can I think most might see him in a base as a three four outside linebacker, but I think you can line up at four three D, And he will certainly be an edge rusher in sub fronts, and he's got the traits. You look for he's lane. He's got burst. He's got bend. He's got flexibility. He can change direction. We saw some counters this year. He's got closing speed. I personally think he's got a chance to develop into a special player with coaching and experience. For a four three team. Greg is he d- end all the way or is. He potentially do you think? Sam off the ball in regular and slide up to be an edge rusher in south. You know? I mean, he's he's six five. It's a combine he was six five to sixty two. He's got long arms long wingspan. He's a very good athlete. I think he can be a D end. I think that would be a philosophy thing. And each team might see that differently. Whether you're a three or four team or a four three he he likely could do both. But just to give you an example after I watched him. His two thousand seventeen tape. I saw him as a linebacker. And then when I watched his two thousand eighteen tape. I thought this guy can line up as a D end. And he's a pass rusher. You know? So I thought he sort of changed his game a little bit and improved dramatically from two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen. Seems like those guys are the consensus top to Greg. I'm gonna give you a few name that I want you to hit on. But I'm gonna give them to you at the same time because I wanna know which guy you would pick as kind of the next guy. All right, right. And those names are shown Gerry Cleland. Feral Jakab polite. Bryant burns and Montas sweat. Is there a guy out of that group? That's that's the next guy in your mind. Well, the the most fascinating guy to me. Let's put it that way of that group is Brian burns. Brian burns came in to the combine Costa to fifty. There's no way he played that way. When you watch the tape and his Cape is a little Radic. He's got tremendous traits. He's long he's athletic. He makes a lot of splash plays because he can bend. He's flexible, he's explosive. But he also has a lot of snaps where he just gets stoned as a. Rusher because he's long he's not very strong right now. His place trains is absolutely. A potential issue. There were far too many snaps in which he just did not do much at all against college offensive tackles. You know, I think the the comparison with Brian burns is a Leonard Floyd type and Floyd was a top ten pick. I believe he's been in the league three years if I'm not mistaken and Floyd his head has ups and downs. He's not developed into sort of the dominant pass rusher that many thought now he's still could do that. But I think that those long athletic guys play strength can be sometimes a concern. I mean, they're they're long. They're flexible they have the measurable profile. But there's a lot of snaps where they just get stoned. So burns to me is fascinating. But you know, I to me as a wait and see guy what? About a guy with a with a very different body type in Rashawn, Gary. Yeah. Gary is a fascinating player because he is incredibly athletic. I mean, he's over six four to seventy seven really good measurable 's you watch him, and you go. Wow. He's an explosive mover. He's got twitched to him. He sudden I mean, he's got quickness he's got changed direction. He can redirect. I mean, he he looks the part on tape. Now the issue, and this is an issue for some as you know, Ross is he's not overly productive. You know, he doesn't make a lot of plays. But if you just watch him and see the athletic movement, you kinda go. Wow. So now, you get down to how a particular team or coach sees him to they say got these. This guy's traits are phenomenal. I'm gonna make him into a productive player or do you say guy? He's got great traits. But there's something missing because he just doesn't make a lot of place. Right. And you know, it goes, Greg. They're always be one team whose coach is convinced that they're going to get the most out of them, and he wants them, and he wants that that Klay to work with and believe he'll turn them into a a Pro Bowl dominant player, and the, you know, obviously, I don't get to meet and talk to the players. So I don't have any sense of Hershon Gerry the person, you know, I think that's a key thing in the process for Gary is would you feel about him as a person, and whether he's a worker whether he's committed because as I said, the physical traits jump off the film. There's just not a lot of plays that you see that. He makes as speaking of the physical traits jumping off the film. How about Montas sweat a guy that killed the combine what do you see from sweat? Yeah. I mean, he sure did. I mean, he the combine he was over almost six six to sixty and ran a four four one forty. I mean, that's ridiculous. And it's ten yards. It was ridiculous to his tenure split was that of a lot of running back. So it was one point five. So he was ridiculous. You know, I think that despite all that he's not really a bender in the strict sense. He can be a little upright. I wouldn't say that he's a fluid guy. I think that he's more of a speed to power guy. You know, we certainly got the body type for that. I think he can be affective as a wide nine guy as when you're you line them up wide outside the offensive tackle where his size and stride length can be a factor. I see him as a four three D And not as an outside linebacker. He's got long arms really long arms to. But I think in terms of bend flexibility, there's some athletic limitations, and there's a little stiffness. I think he's a speed to power guy. More than been the edge guy. Yeah. And I think that's fair. And I think that's how other people. Probably see him as well. And I think that's a good way to describe them. What about though Cleland Ferrell from Clemson, Greg? Yeah. Ferrell's? He's to me. A you gotta watch a lot of Tate 'cause there's just a consistency to his game more than a spectacular nature to his game. You know, he's the guy the more I watch. And obviously, I watched a lot of Clemson tape for obvious reasons. The more I see him as a solid for three D in prospect with strong overall traits, but I wouldn't call him a leak in any category. I mean, I I wouldn't say he's an elite pass rusher. It wouldn't surprise me. If some NFL team saw him as an interior rusher and sub fronts more than an edge rusher. Although he did dominate Jona Williams in the championship game. I mean, he it was a total mismatch and feral clearly one, you know, I think that he's got quickness I think he uses his hands extremely well. You know, I think that he's he's very good in many many areas. I just don't think that he's, you know, elite or special, but he's going in my view, he'll be very very good pro. Well, and he's got some teammates that are pretty good at the defensive tackle position as well. Let slide over there. And you know, while we're talking Clemson guys how about Christian Wilkins. Yeah. He's another guy that the more you watch the more. You're like now, he's an athletic player. You know? I think that his game is built more on on movement than it is on power. He's got he's got some power. Clearly, you know, he's three hundred fifteen pounds. But he's a flexible and at times explosive athlete for a guy who's six three three fifteen. He's got fluid movement traits. I think he'll get better as a pass rusher. Because I think he's a very good athlete, and I think his past Russia traits are there the baseline is. There could be cultivated. He's got outstanding range to make plays outside the confines of the box. You saw that all the time. You know, he's he's a rangy guy. He's an effort guy makes a lot of plays outside the box. He was featured in a lot of different stunned concepts at Clemson and was affected both as as picker, you know, sort of setting the pick, and it's the Looper as the guy. Looping behind. But one thing you didn't see a lot though, he didn't necessarily wouldn't one on one a lot. You know, if you're just trying to match up on these more of a quickness player, but he's a very consistent. Snap after snap player. A guy I really enjoyed watching this year, Greg, and I kinda liked to speaking of improvement and skill. I can't like when guys come out of nowhere. And you don't know much about him. And they ended up having a year like and Williams from Alabama every Alabama game. I watched he was unbelievable. Yeah. He's he's interesting to me because there's you know, obviously with Alabama's fronts would Nick Sabin Williams lined up in multiple positions. I think that he's got really good balance. I think he's got good body control. I think he uses his hands really really well to to control and displace ole linemen, I think he's more of a hands sort of balance player than he is a true sudden explosive player, I'm interested to see how he's seen in the league Ross because I don't think an and again, many will disagree with me on this. 'cause I. I've seen you know, there are some people who absolutely love him. And I like the player believe me. I'm just not sure that you could line him up as a three technique in a four three stamp after snap. You know? He's not an Aaron Donald kind of player. And I know that I picked out a guy who's the absolute best. But I don't think Williams has that kind of sudden quickness and explosion to his game. I think he's almost more methodically. Quick. I if you can understand the difference. And I think there's nothing wrong with that. He's a good player. I'm just wondering how it will be seen by NFL teams. That's a good point. I think he he's not he's not a guy. I feel like his explosiveness jumps off the tape. He's almost like he's almost like the Nick Bosa of defensive tackle in that. It's not it's not the rare physical. And I know he ran a good forty time or whatever. But what right thought jumped out was just his. Skill. You know, his hand usage is out to me as much as anything. I mean, let me ask you this. And I know I'm going back a few years, but and people obviously know this player because he's a good pro. He's just been on a bad team the last number of years, but who's a better prospect coming out Quinton Williams or Leonard Williams. Oh, yeah. That's a good. That's a really good point. And I want to get to the next guy Greg while we're talking about tackles like that and Oliver from Houston. He he he's kind of been speaking of fascinating said he was going pro. So early had didn't have a great year that he had a great pro day lot of comparisons to Aaron Donald what are you see? Well, he's a little freakish. I mean, just to start off the one thing I will say he's not a natural pass rusher. So he's not Aaron Donald, you know, and whether he becomes that only time will tell but he almost plays defensive tackle like a running back. I mean, he is a truly elite athlete his profile is off the charts. I mean, he's got foot quickness agility fluidity explosion hand, usage, tremendous effort and competitiveness. I mean, he has rare quickness and explosion. He's his feet are. I mean, given you know, I know he's not a three hundred pound or any probably played about two seventy five to eighty and then maybe a concern for some. But he is just a ridiculous athlete. He's he's rare for defensive tackle in the way in which he moves. Totally agree. A he was he was fun to watch and your fun to talk to Greg. Appreciate the time each and every week next week. We'll get into the linebackers as the draft will be here before you know, it thanks so much Greg Pickett Ross. Thanks, really liked. The fact that Greg goes ahead and just calls it like he sees it. Which by the way, is one of the cool things also about CBS sports HQ. I've been telling you guys about it during the NCAA tournament because you know, CBS has the tournaments. What's obviously, a good time. The check out their free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for sports fans. Just like you and me it's not hot takes. It's not fake debates. It's not trying to type politics into everything to try to foster a reaction out of people. It's just experts dishing out picks to help you win. The talk fantasy talked placing bets checkout CBS sports HQ. It's always on. And it's always free no subscription fee. No expensive cable package. Just download the CBS sports app on your phone fire. Tv Roku, apple TV to start watching today. Jeez. Hiroshima the jets unveiled their uniforms last night a day after they were leaked that was on Wednesday. What do you think that you grew up jets fan Bri? I grew up. I wasn't a huge football fan growing up as more of a baseball fan. But yeah, where I lived. I was more of a jet fan than a giant fan. So are you a Mets fan? Yes. And that was like that was your thing. And that was your team growing up. Yes. Was that the most important team in the world to you? Yes. York Mets baseball team in the mid eighties and late eighties. Yes. Absolutely. So wait a minute. What you were you born seventy two. So you're like what thirteen when they won the World Series. And I was in ninth grade. Yeah. So what was I eighty six? But what was really cool is where I grew up. I was out five minutes from Hofstra university where the jets practiced. So I will go out with my dad and watch the jets practice a couple times. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. That was pretty neat. But you remorse into baseball. So you were met fan. And when you were an adolescent, or whatever they were they were good. I mean, that's like Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry. Yeah. Did you go to a bunch of games? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Went what's a whole bunch of games. And we're just hop on the train in Long Island and go right to queens, which usually just drive who's about forty five minutes. But the other thing that was right there. And it was also huge islanders saying because they're five minutes away from the house, which which early on the islanders also practiced at the jets facility. Who use their weight rooms stuff like that? God is all like concentrated in one the Larrea, right? Five minutes away from your house. That's awesome. So I did you check out the jets uniforms. I saw them. Yeah. It really is back to you know, like when you were a fan like when it's back to your your youth. It's like the uniform is they had I think from seventy eight to ninety seven something like that like to me the uniform they're like the Gastineau uniform free McNeil. Yeah. Like that. And I don't hate them Bri. But if you remember the uniform draft I had with damasec last spring or summer, I took the jets high like I thought the jets Joe Nemeth uniforms. Stay the helmet. I thought those were top ten uniforms in the NFL. So while the new ones, I don't hate that. They're not terrible. They're fine. Why would you go from top ten uniform to find like why would you get worse? So that's what I think you asked. What I think? It's I think they got worse. Their uniforms are worse. So I don't know. I don't know how much it's like, hey, we want a clean slate new era, and how much of it's just marketing. Let's let's get people to buy new stuff. We haven't changed in twenty years. They'll all by New Jersey's because that's our jerseys now. But I'm I'm not a big fan. I agree with you. And I really could care less about the uniforms of cells as to helmet and helmet logo. Which I like that classic one. That was the Nemeth one what they've had for the past ten or fifteen years. I didn't like we're in when I was growing up, and it just said Jay I like that little logo that they have or had. Where on helmet, you did not. I didn't know I like to I like the original one. And then what what they just had. Which is kind of like the retro one but in the mid eighties. I did not like that one. And not a big fan of what they did now. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Yeah. All right moving on. Teams one team that really never changes their uniforms also green the Green Bay Packers. But they need to change something based on the Tyler done story that came out and Bleacher report yesterday, please explain while man, everybody should read it tethered done is a national report, you know, national columnist now I guess for Bleacher report, but was a bills beat writer and was a longtime Packers beat writer, and he talked to a lot of people former coaches former scouts former players to really get a feel for what happened in Green Bay. And why they haven't had more success. And it is it's really interesting. You know issued read the story, but the gist of it is Aaron Rodgers didn't really respect Mike McCarthy's football IQ. That's number one. And number two, Mike McCarthy gave Aaron Rodgers more and more freedom that Aaron Rodgers took advantage of because you didn't respect McCarthy's football IQ. Didn't think they were doing good things offensively. And it paints Aaron Rodgers as very sensitive, very selfish. Not a very good leader at all. And Mike McCarthy reportedly was like at times going getting massages during team meetings, which I find really hard to believe. But multiple people say that that's true. They those did not have a very good relationship. You know, obviously, Ted Thompson didn't do a good job adding players in free agency. I mean, it just it really just details Bri how arguably the most gifted quarterback we've ever seen in Aaron Rodgers wasn't able to have and the Packers weren't able to have more success during this era. I mean, they made it to one Super Bowl, and they want it. But while I mean, it's been eleven years and for the most gifted quarterback ever to be one Super Bowl in eleven years. That's kinda rough then the add far sixteen years to it. And in twenty seven years they've gone three Super Bowls. They've won two Brady and seventeen years has gone and nine in one six I mean, it's insane. I mean, even you lie Manning's one to flacco and Trent Dilfer one two and for twenty seven years. The Packers have had. I mean, it's top five at worst quarterback. Usually tap three. It's pretty brutal really. Jeez. On some transactions. A Saint signed cornerback PJ Williams colts claim safety, Derek Kinrade off waivers Texan safety under house. Retiring Jag, sign running back. Benny Cunningham raiders signed wide receiver. Ryan grant bills. Get guard Quinton Spain, Josh Sitton and Kyle manual retire. Right. So I would say the bills I think they've signed six veteran. Offensive linemen this off season. I've never seen anything like that. They've signed six new guys all of them, by the way have starting experience. So I thought that was interesting Quinn's pains pretty good player started at left guard last few years for the titans. So I like the bills making sure that their offensive line isn't an issue. Ryan grants that guy that was supposed to get that big money from the ravens but failed as physical when they when they signed Michael Crabtree. Instead. Wow. You went about life altering. Andrea. How retiring he's the guy that came back from cancer good for him. He says it's not a health related decision. The colts claiming safety Derek kindred after the Browns cut them, I'm assuming they tried to trade him. But that's a good pickup. He's a solid third safety to have sit and put an eleven years at a nice career. Kyle manual retiring after four I thought was interesting anytime a guy who could still play retires after like four years like that. I thought that was interesting. Takes when talking a lot about the AFC demise. But the couple of players got picked up by NFL teams. I chiefs could cornerback Keith resear- gets one hundred grand up front. The Panthers signed wide receiver Rashad Ross really happy for those guys, you know. Because now, look they still gotta make an NFL team. But good sign for Keith research that the chiefs game one hundred thousand dollars up front. I mean, even if he doesn't make the team that's more. There was going to make the whole year. So that paid off for him. And my guess is he probably will make the team so good for him for sure. And Rashad Ross back in the league, you know, those guys used they made the most their opportunity a f-. So some good has come out of the. Jeez. And lastly, Matthew Stafford's wife announced via social media. She's going to undergo surgery for a brain tumor. Right. I think they have two or three young kids you might have trip. Now, they I'm triplets. But they young kids thoughts and prayers with the Stafford family I've talked to Matthew several times before game. But we even talked about, you know, nannies and babysitting in his kids and stuff. So. Thoughts and prayers with them. I guess they already know that. It's benign. That's the really really good news. But. You know, still has to be removed and anytime, you're, you know, removing something from brain. There could be complications. And. 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Episode 23- Hobby or Job? With Jo Pickett

Post Session Podcast

59:16 min | 1 year ago

Episode 23- Hobby or Job? With Jo Pickett

"Good morning, Wonderful Listeners Hugh tuned into post session podcast, a podcast filled with the still of a surf session. And the wise guidance of an voyager. Your water loving hosts I. READY TO SHARE This infectious state of mind while encouraging and inspiring you for your next adventure pay lovely listeners We are here post session podcast. With another special guest. We are superstock to have Joe Pickett with us today she is A. Longtime surfer in our rights will be area. She was a instructor. She's served belief professionally in contests Jr.. and. She's just been a great influence on our fear shores and this is GonNa be wonderful to hear about some of her experiences anti she spearheaded or created a female women's surf contests the Heaney, which were wearing a t-shirt for right now that's you Joe, well, I work on the organizer now we'll. Can I just say something? Yeah we Joe Walk Through Your door this morning. was instantly relieved. I thought this is going to be easy and fun the because I don't know. You know decade you came from, you're a little older than I am but joe has surfer girl hair. Is, blonde it's all. Comes in with. Fresh off the surf this morning with a t shirt shorts and I. Aussie looking. relaxed. Against the table of contents sash? Yes. We're going to start with supposed session notes in learn about what happened in the surf this morning from Joe and then you and I'll chime in. The injustice of the week which I can try this week. Because I didn't send joe and email in time. Submit one we're going to dive deeper and today we're GONNA talk about Al Qaeda, pros, and cons about making. What you love one of your hobbies into a job. Because doing I both have experienced that. Will Try to God waters. Let you take some new? So postition not to let's just start. What'd you do on the water this week? This week I had. been working in my yard quite a bit because I've been away from my yard and I have a big yard and. When it gets to be this time of year and the rain we've had. I've. I've still got a long way to go and you didn't miss much a bunch of tiny waves out there will last last week devoted every morning to to try to figure out a surf year again because this place has its own character. And it's It's challenging to come from somewhere else in and refigure. reacquaint myself with the summertime situation here where you coming from. I've been in Costa Rica. uis using considering a half the year or or more. Yeah. Skin to be more and more. So you're a part timer also. Cool. The what. Is the biggest adjustment coming from Costa Rica to rights will be Wilmington. You know you've often heard the phrase bad if you learn to surf here. On the East Coast that you can surf anywhere yet will converse of that ship site is go search somewhere else and then try to come back here surf. And that's my been. That's what I'm experiencing this at this point in time I'm going okay. What kind of equipment do on the Nile? Every day. You gotta get back to the basics. Don't you? This place. Yes. Yes. Exactly and I taught here for twenty five years in this ocean. Saint Place that I've been serving since I've been home for a couple of weeks. And I have still scratching my head going. Wow, this is challenge. This is fascinating. So so challenging try not to be frustrated. Trying to think of how challenging it is instead of going. Turn it into a learning experience. Is Small because it's mushy is disorganized was the. Small one day choppy sloppy when they. Today. All Crosstalk. Or stop is a variety of ways to come in this way that way and there's wind in. Yeah. Although the wind wasn't local, the wind was coming from a little further away a little storm out Hannah storm feel the change in the shape of the win because. You said, you just go get your longer board and. That's what I did this morning pulled out a short board and realize it. One of my fans wasn't seated properly and not that one. What's That I, have a question for each. So I was out there today I'm up eight, six I was having a pretty decent time. There's a friend of mine she's A. Let's say a newer surfer she's not a new surfer. Is Brianna in she was really frustrated because there were some young. Little youngins on their short boards and you know she would be paddling for away. Some little young guys. GonNa. Paddle. Over on their short board right in front of her and try and take off and I WanNa hear what your advice would be to the personal and outside. On the first go round Yoga. Yeah. Go ahead what? What, what's the best way to I don't know we'll that's an etiquette question right and so we back to our last episode. Yeah, so you can look at it. So many different ways I guess my. My initial. Thought is okay who taught this kid? Who's responsible for this kid's behavior Niamh and Well at some point, we hope people counts responsible for his own behavior, but depending on his agent is link of surf experience or climb. There so many factors involved. and. Since I have. taught here for so long I was the first one to start teaching here, but I'll tell you that story because it was quite the accident that even happened. Before that all back nineteen ninety-six is when I started teaching here and nobody was even thinking about teaching. But now people will paddle up to me and say your teacher you go do something about that. Whole Y-. This moment to do that. And, that will that will tie into the hobby versus. The cons and versus occupation. Yeah. It's it's really interesting how the web waves. And in my experience. Every time you're out there you're. Always, faulting back to instructor mid I, this happens to a sausage but yeah, we can go there deeper. Right willing to tell you what acid we'll eagle handling. Tell him to get off your wave. We'll say share. Let me let me here again. I did two things. The first thing I said to her was. if he pulls over in front of you, you paddle look away. Don't even act like you see him and he'll get out of the way you're on a soft top you he'll be fine. And then. And came back and said Ns. That's where if it's the second time or third time that he's done, don't do it on the first time. For a little guilty. Yes. For telling her to discharge it and then I came back to him in. Your Dad serves right. He said I'll you. Yes ma'am I said I'll wolves his name, Mike Okay okay. We'll have you know how from then on he got on his amateur Mike as taught him etiquette but he's out there with his other grams you know just killing and dad's not around. So he's he's going to do it. He has to do to catch up way so by. His Dad you kind of reminded him to use his manners navy and it worked. We may be a little bit but it put him in a different head space. Like logically, that was very smart way to handle it is. GENIUS THAT'S RARE Pleasant positive. Yeah I mean, we know that situations often go differently nestor. Yeah I've done differently. Workout. Will. Keeping in mind that we're doing it for fun yeah yeah. You know it's cool here because we have a different age range and. As I get older I do recognize that younger people will respond to me differently like maybe if you look over and smile and say, Hey, can I have a turn? In Leith Way Bill. Much. More likely to say. Yes, ma'am. Are Yeah Let you go and and that's all they needed. Was that little? Reminder. Well. What about Just struggling. Trying to reminder remit remember surf year what about you what's your Well that was it for my session today out I really wanted to get her input. Basically, we had talked about when we write this episode. Kind of would it looks like when you're just starting out as a surfer 'cause, there are a lot of newbies out there and. We talked about you know. My career, I like to do a lot in there is that initial investment, but then after you get your board your leash. Your racks is free. So, all you gotTa do is pay gas money to get to and from the beach unless you turn it into a job, it listened turn it into a job. Well I wanted to talk about because I haven't been diving my my dive classes ramp up again next week. but I've been teaching swimming. Yes still in the wider in I didn't WanNa do this I wasn't like Oh, I have a passion for teaching kids to swim. I WANNA. Have someone else watch my children so I can go spend time with other kids. But it came it fell on me by accident because. People see videos and photos of my children in the water when we're sailing and everything and they start asking, how did you teach your kids to swim? In here's some free advice for everybody out there. I didn't teach my kids swim with European me to do with your kids. I did not do with mine. All I did was add water. Let Him. Go. And Kept him in the water and when they fell in the water I didn't freak out I just said okay suicide. In it just progressed until their swimming. So the free tip is but your kids in the water and don't take him out. Just, keep them in the water and they will learn to swim but if you need A. Head start with that I'm happy to help stay. Yeah. So I wonder you know you have access to water all the time y'all are in the water all the time. So the main a family. Yeah. They're going to go to the beach and may not go every day. So mid does make sense. They would pay you to have a purpose lesson in a pool or something that they come to you every day so that child can get that yes and yeah, let's feel comfortable because it's you. Hopefully I inspire confidence. I don't drive my husband's car to the swim lessons. But anyway going back to what you're saying though. I'll tell I'll tell appearance straight up. You need to hear what I'm doing. You need to see what I'm doing because you're gonNA WANNA teach your kid swim where I'm GonNa, show you all the tricks and all the things get you kit comfortable. So they're responding to me so they're not afraid of the water and then you're GonNa take this tools and teach your kid to swim I get them for six sessions you have them. The air life for their life. That's a good point. Maybe, we should move into the injustice of bill. Will we want to expound on what you were saying about? Explaining to Paris that you're not teaching their kids to swim. Just the other day someone paddled over to me an old friend. And Reminded me that I taught my kids to surf. I sit and vice versa. I learned at least as much more from them how as than for me and I had the Baloch Sherie in the enjoyment of being with my kids in the ocean every day every summer because seven o'clock in the morning I'm knocking on doors and get up. Wanted to work it up. My son will. Me If he gets a chance in public and say how I dragged into every day of his young life and how awful it was and he laughed. And you say you're welcome. Yeah and all my kids still serve so. Thirty, twenty, eight, and twenty five, the trauma is minimal then. I learned what? I what I learned from him. I would watch my oldest daughter Leilani I would watch her paddle. And she was a state champion gymnast in Ballerina and she brought many tools to this platform surfing. And I would watch for paddling. Go if anybody ever wants to know how to paddle surfboard that is the the body contour to fit the board and how the course circumference hugging me she didn't tell her anything she had the finesse would go. Okay. Anita learn how to language that yes. Because people paddling is such huge issue for people. Is So. Funny. People think they're gonNA pay me to have him stand up on board and I. Let's. Go talk about. There's a whole lot more to this than standing up the surp- or it's all about leveraging their expectations though, isn't it? So that they know to expect in, you can be honest with them say. We might not get there, but you are going to get here but I agree with you about the children. Because like I said I don't come from swimming background or. An instructional background when it comes to swimming, but I learned what works for my kids how my kids learned in. So I just took the same information. Usable ever gets how on a pig brain maybe not today but. Because Leilani was always on a was she was on a short board analog award, right? From the time she was two. Wow. We had no soft boards and she would not boogie board because. Hernandez didn't. To waterwings whatever surfboard was available and she surfing. It's holding. my Ex husband had pick. It is holding airlie WHO's an end foot and I'm sending lay Lonnie because she didn't want me on the board weather and he's GonNa interceptor as she goes by you talk about scared. My goodness. We'd be up at the north end where the wage would roll for a long distance and she would leave me I would go addition way can catch. Your swimming has gotta catch on. She goes by she's tumble in. I mean you talk about a leap of faith. This kid says, kids don't know when they're in the water like that. They don't know to be afraid. He'd be a good thing about it's I think mostly for that situation like you're describing is a good thing because then they have a little confidence going into it, we've picked conditions at the place of course no hurricane swell well, years old but she decided she was gonna Paddle. Out. In a row king swelling withering when we were absolutely beat to a pulp and looked at, can you please go to the beach now? So I can go surfing and I remember taking her up to the flame down and going. Okay. Thank you go search. On Kid plans give. We'll their saw limits in life I'm sorry. This is one of yours and give it time. You will certainly get there. Yet. A hardcore. Yeah Yeah All right. Will you know? Yeah. Let's let's go to the injustice because it's GonNa tie seamlessly tie into our dive deeper, which is gonNA start talking about these pros and cons you know of making this kind of thing a living but. There's this. Doctrine that urges people to do it. They love. Everyone wants to find their passion and you know how? I hate that word yeah. She's got nothing against ads. You have a thing against that overused word. But the problem with that if everyone trying to find their passion, do it they love sometimes you passion doesn't pay the bills plumbing may not be a passion but may be your job. It may be a blue ranger. Yeah and And also your passions changing it can be fickle advice. So. My injustice is. The cliche. Find. Your Passion. What do you think people should say? Get A job. If, you can figure out how to monetize which you're doing anything that might be a good fit for you do it but otherwise, let's not spend all this time. Trying to get some people don't have that S- in a passionate services part of. How you live. Right reviving has become part of how we live same for you but surfing the writing in all of these things but the work that you do. Your Hobby Nah UK. But that's okay. A service to the world and sometimes less important area. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes, that service is important also anything fulltime job that helps support me and it brings rewards. In addition to disappointment. You Fund reward in in your service when you know you've helped some more. Yes and that's reward. There it is. But there's just that balance in mental health because a lot of times you can't. You won't to help sometimes, there's a lot of barriers to. Implementing even tools that we provide last night I was up. Worrying about quantum like a woman to couldn't sleep and then three am rolled around and it was just but there there's a little Most of the time, I feel good feeling like there's a little movement and even a small amount even it makes a big difference that yeah, it was a little tough toughy. I feel like I feel like your job is good for your personality type though because you know your quest is fun but that could be maybe destructive also having that constant quest for for. Bun. So Leisure. Rate, and your job does not offer that fun or pleasure reward maybe but not fun or pleasure. So it's like a challenge for you. It is because I'm working with children. To Bring Mata, Klein refer to make the mental health part of the fun. Right do get to use. That kind of. Gift or a curse. That's cool. Yeah. I guess just you know we don't have to always be searching I feel like that. That advice the the injustice do what you love. It sometimes puts people in this. Vicious cycle of just searching all the time when maybe life isn't always just about our pleasure. we can't just boil everything down into still at to what makes us happy mom later maybe Joe probably neighbors this I remember growing up in school there was shot class there was neck class. There was all these kind of basic skills classes that you mechanical classes or whatever but. They've kind of gone by the late. Sad Except that Cape Fear Community, college now has picked up by Ball I. Think Oh, good because they're trades coming out of that environment. Now, I have a tenant in my house right now who's an apprentice electricity? In He's outfitting the new dorms. W. And Would I talk to a young person who's wondering about career and? If I have some idea of this kid's makeup and what he might. Prefer. gravitate towards be able to hang with I go trades. Some desperately in need of trades. Yes. if you can work with your hands and you enjoy. The about back in you then you plan your hours and necessarily have to work for someone. That's right. You can have your xactly you can go surfing every day if that's your actually. Oriental attrition I mean. In the long screw it yeah. Great Work is always there. I'm really glad you brought that up because I also feel like that advised to. Your Passion, it undermines the necessity of the trades. It does undermined the people that she uses professions it undermines the work itself. It somehow demeans it. It makes it seem like if you do this kind of work, you were not good enough. For some reason to have your passion as a job, you take a man like my husband. He's a trades guy he's got the mechanical mind he loves the problem solving. Did. You stick them in an engine room and he's happy there. He's likes to ranch. She likes it. It's different every day and he loves it. He makes his own hours. So up headquarters in working on my house with me I can tell they're really enjoying the challenges in the. Rush. This These moments like I have an old house and it has been has all kinds of issues that I am presented with and I don't have the background. And I'm going. Wow. This is going to be interesting to see who's going to help me with this makers because I'll get right in there and help as long as I don't get in the way. But I need instruction. If I'm going to be any good anybody or else, I'll just have to let somebody else do it. Diagnosing, that is problem. Sometimes, it takes a mastery of knowing all different like. He's got know everything. About. The workings of the building and all that it's sort of like a an my doctor friends aren't gonNA appreciate us. That's like being doctor without the crap, hours. Maybe not quite the penny or the residency. Residency Sorry Jill. Well, that might be a good kind of. Lead. into the dive deeper where we're talking about. You know especially the view turning something that you did love or. was were passionate about mayors, the pros and cons of that because that's still is something that a lot of people do you love to write you WanNa be writer you love the law you become a lawyer to serve people maybe a doctor or but you guys both have done something in the ocean that. Was something that drew you there and then became your career. So I wanNA hear a little bit about how that happened to. You were talking about. Yeah I started teaching. Alert, selecting on a how different the career that that I started at age forty has manifested with population numbers of people doing what I had done versus free hiving. If free diving instruction is going to go the way surfing things. Maybe perish the thought but. Yes. I. Can I can come in on that after your story share? But when with my kids, I had three kids in five years. So they were kinda close together age onto. Ouch. Home all the time I was already in my thirties and so I decided I want okay okay. Train. That's. Not. GonNa raise them as of now. Yeah. Oh. But all the times of not going to the beach in traveling to exotic locations around the world in and and Surfin with my kids? When I would take my kids to the Their other activities? Let's see Ronnie was born in Ninety in the early ninety two Doug Ninety five. People were realizing that okay. My kids are going to gymnastics. They're going to dance there in music class into music was wonderful. We're going to church singing in the choir. So I had a big social environment and People recognize that even though I'd been surfing since I was a teenager that my kids were surfing. And they really picked up on it. and. So the League cello player in the Wilmington Symphony Orchestra Kathy Meyer. She said, you're going to teach my son to surf. Dave. I would he was not I went. Oh Yeah. I can do that because by that time I had stopped my day job. What was your day job I worked to corn now? Okay. I worked in end the process product development group I create a help create along the technology that operate cell phones. We May. SORT And made love we make fiber here in but anyway, right Simon Stock and I still needed income I went into the fitness industry So I already had all those certifications qualifications not understood methodology of teaching which I'm sure you have developed and trained force nail the ways that we go about teaching people. So we Kathy presented with this. I. Sit on. Yeah I could do that. and. So it started lying that the next thing I did was a little flyers in Sir City Sir shop and we didn't have internet or Any of that, and so it was word of mouth and I was covered up with teaching people. I'm just like, wow, could barely meet the demand and I was Uis responsible for the crowd out there now. I got back. I got that from a lot of the young people the bid I had been taking the contests and just mentoring sort of and they were they were mad and I won't. Yeah. Okay. If if we all understand etiquette system isn't that better than? If people are not on the same page with how we're operating in this ocean it was gonna grow whether you were teaching it or not ns wish and. Look at the people don't operate safely we're in wing. Exactly, we're all over world trouble soap immediately stri started like with the neck within the next year business minded people realized. There were maybe two circles in the nation when I started mine. And I just met the demand is best I cou. I didn't develop a business model I didn't think it through and so very quickly the activity instruction and the organization admits began to explode in Rizal Beach, which is certainly what's continuing to have a now. So this is the first summer. Since thousand, nine, hundred at I have not taught at Rice for how that bill well is not as weird as I thought, it would be part of that is not even getting back here until the end of June. And I had already not updated my online registration I just let it sit on my website and occasionally people call me. and. I'll help people but I'm not GonNa do it for money because I'm not doing that right now. But. I'm still able to coach and teach in mostly Costa Rica. Now, I've taught all over the world well, different places in the world and then guided in coached but coaching was what I enjoyed I. The most Pez I would take kids that often were local. Teach them to serve. Take them to contests, coach them into regional events east coast events national events. What some of GOPRO. That solution. To go along with it. And help in whatever small way. Because the family dynamic has quite a bit to do with it and to be included down it was really special that part of it is really really. I think that's where you gave from the teacher or coast to mentor You really have got these kids. A length of time because they are progressing near going along with them. I. Think. That's super cool and part of being sixty four years old. Is the mentoring just kind of goes with the territory. Yes. Like in move up to this your job. Your responsibility. Cats out of the bag, she's sixty, four and and. And I would subject if if people are looking for that from me. It's not that I want to push pushing on. My Message, which is very similar because it can happen by accident well, with the swimming. Definitely it was just people calling me saying shirt. Exactly I know how to teach. I can do this, but with the free diving. Know. We wanted to sail and I couldn't do my real job out sailing and traveling so he just had to have A. Paradigm shift in how thought about what work looks like in all that. But It ends up being lucrative with the free diving same for surfing kids are recession proof people always spend money on their children so You know the businesses there but like you I found over time I enjoy teaching classes. But I really enjoy when somebody wants me to do the One on one coaching I can use my. My experience. As a competitive free diver to try to get them to break records in meet those goals because you're done with the other you know, okay the beginner, the beginner stuff right the technical things are done with that and you can talk to them on a level that is. It's it's more fun. Yeah. You know it's more fun as you progress in your experience more fun for me to talk hear about things and let's get into the nitty gritty then to. Yell, then again, the bread and butter comes from the your. Wrist gap you have to meet people where they are. Yeah. So where? Do the lives beginner. Thanks. So did you I mean you had a lucrative job? Sounds like? At corning did you find that? Just from a monetary perspective, switching to the surfing worked for you you're able to, we'll switch into the surf didn't happen immediately right? I was teaching aerobics and Yoga. Of Training People, personal trainer, and do some of my own doing some of it in gyms I remember going into five different yoga destinations per day should all these different clubs be thousands and sounds familiar gone nuts. Nuts. And then when the surfing. Instruction. Thing happened that was primarily. In the summer. At least started that way, and then as my kids that I was teaching as their seals progressed and they were willing in their parents were willing to go on trips with me. Then the timeframe expanded. So I was taken people different places at different times of year. Do chips with them. Yeah. That's fun to ask you to do it in the winter or to make it. What I still do off. Mostly in Costa Rica now is people sometimes I fly with people especially if they're teenagers of. People will come and meet me and yet usually I surf with them. But but usually I am putting them where they need to be to do what they WANNA do. And how much of What I'm doing is even recognizable steep. Long as they are performing. Then angrily. Many parallels you're. Thinking about the Senate Day trip is the same thing people meet a stair we get to die. But we're diving to serve them south into, get them deeper veteran and you know this. Cool. But okay. The pros of doing what you love for living isn't as fun you get to be in the water, you get to do that your own schedule. But are you did you burn out? Do you have these moments of severe burn out because I? Mean I do. My patients level with. Kids in the summer. I thought was a challenge for me and I had a daughter early who would rescue the child. When she would before anything you noticeable even occurred early Buddhist paddle over call me smile at me. This child and say you come with me now. Nice. Deep Breath. Saying thank you. Maybe money can be that she was already gone. Child has patients job. Incredible but then I would realize woke early, these kids are here surf I'm glad you your having fallen off if I get chewed out by this parent on the beach because kids not just dead that once. You might tell kisses stated up in catching ways going on. It's tar balance. We're building the comfort zone. Rather. Than scared the child to death, we're gradually expanding the conference. It's psychology the whole. Thing Yup. Yes. It's just and it starts with having a good time. In you know maybe. You feel like me about this. But when I'm listing the swimming lessons, forget the free diving because I'm working with adults mostly but with the swimming. I am. Sort of competitors you know just by nature and results oriented. So I go in feeling like my job is to make this kid. A good swimmer you earn your morning i WanNa earn money up and but then sometimes ran will dial me back on more difficult students and he'll say light. Just teach him how to have fun in the water and not be afraid the students not ready. For that, you need to play more games or do more things, but that's not in my. It's not in my nature to go to play date with the kids. Come on. Are we doing daycare or instructing. CARE. Bad as you're right Yup is all psychology I'm sometimes appearance they will y'all are just play an inner. And sometimes it's just building four in the beginning just to get. The comfortable. Enough to talk about things that are deeper than. Do you look at it and say I'm playing you know because you didn't play enough who now? That's why I'm playing right now. Do you say that? No, I, don't think do. Of course the. If you play with your kid I wouldn't have to. So, you guys have done with. Impart seek to do for sure I mean I I want to. In right up the injustice of the week. Turn my fashion a living. In A. Have committed to do is was driven me a while. You know made the little movie. The documentary is something that I just. Stood on the community of people that are served with made that with the with lots of help but. Now. I'm writing a novel where it's a Surf adventure novel and it was something that when I went to the library and looking for the female protagonist or the you know the serpent venture, I mean really the only thing out there was maybe the young adult Bethany Hamilton novels, the mini novellas and. You know there's ago. This was probably. Ten years ago. So I'm written I one foam Yaffa, check it out but not yet, they can't. They can't check a soon. Published yet, but you know now I'm working on my second one and luminescent will be the name of it but. That has been like that's nothing I can do from anywhere. So, I could travel where do we go? Where do we go? And hopefully make money just like we've talked about hear writing some articles for surf oriented magazines and But, it was nice listening to the both of you share. Kind of the Perot's of doing the doing what you love and also the cons because that's something you know writing is a lonely. Tedious everybody thinks, oh, the writings hard no. It is but that's Compared to the editing. Of the three hundred page novel. I can only imagine. Five hundred words stream-of-consciousness Oracles for anybody that asks me. Lost I don't know how many how written. And it all come to me, Inaugu. Yes I mean. Locally, fairly literate. Yes we fairly intelligent. So. But as you can pull it out of your, but that's what you're saying. But bookable I'll run down the road somebody will call me and they want an interview and I'll give it and I'm drawn to. You the stoplights and there's other there's distractions. But yeah. But those are when I'm when I'm talking but I've I've written quite a few but that that's a whole nother craft I'm sure Laurel worked hard on them to I mean with the 'cause it's kind of like your experimental. Novel, I just know goal was to write the first not crappy first novel in the paid editors to give me feedback and then do the rise to another rewrite lots of Rira. Lazzari rewrites, but but it has been such a great learning process in Ogden definitely getting better and So I'm excited one day to actually see it in print that will be maybe a day to celebrate. Know. We are to we will you know what advantage you have, which is also the advantage you have. And I had is that None of us went into. Trying to monetize passion. happened organically. So it was able to grow slowly there was maybe a little financial support before the the leap. For me that was good because we slowly you know were teaching on the weekends but while I had my job and slowly did it and reputation, you're exactly. You had a you still have A. Real job as right. And and all the years that I taught surfing when my kids were growing up in the wintertime here on our two gyms I did all the physical fitness conditioning training. That I. was geared to do and it fit nicely into surfing because cross training is important. But I I did other ahead other occupations besides surfing to. Wills exact. Well, raising children as you know. Is this full time. It's quite disclosure task. It's quiet task in his expensive well, it can be I. Don't know it depends on how you live for us. It's not as expensive as people tried to scare us into thinking, but I'm glad you brought the money up in because I don't. You know we don't talk about money a lot. It's not something that's exciting. But I do want to. Mention to people that might be thinking about taking that lever doing this. Is it economically viable to turn your passion into a job. In my experience it is, but it takes a lot of hard work instead of just collecting that paycheck every week and knowing your hours you actually for me I ended up working more hours between the kids staying up late finished some word making sure that the next class has students in it. You know you're having to feed yourself a lot. So I work a lot but it but I love making my own hours in Renan I never choose the money. We've never chose the money we choose. A healthy lifestyle that we love and being together the money's kind of secondary so we can live on. Less and less than not not. So worried about those things do you live on the sailboat? Can always give acton Selva. As cheaply. Well especially, if if ron is mechanically inclined. That's the only way Joe I mean if he if he wasn't mechanically inclined if he wasn't a doer and if I wasn't a doer We couldn't afford it. 'cause something's always wrong with the boat. Yeah. Yeah. That would be an uphill battle. Do you find you've been able to make a life out of it though did it take? A pay cut for you. Gosh I never thought about. How much money? We just made make it work. Yeah. Make it where we were gonNA. Do this okay. what we what are we going to do to get to this point I can't advocate that approach to life because I'm sure it won't work for everyone wasn't example of something that you kind of Said we want to do this. I needed the motivation of okay. We want to go to Hawaii. Let's might this happen. Yeah. I think it's helpful to have a goal to motivate you have be CAS been kind of when don and out. We've been gone to Puerto Rico for eleven years now when we made that lead to get this place that it was like this long process of will we're going to go there and stay a little bit longer. Long. How can we make our jobs? You know I don't move to. Work to live I do want to work, but also I want to. The value of life in the value of our experiences in the value of Balance between the work in the life in the family or or whatever just made a big impact on and that was having those goals in working towards getting out of debt or paying off this house so that we could do something. Well, that's a good point because some of our, some of the people that listen like my mother for instance, she is much more oriented towards stability she thinks for crazy. So a goal of of Hawaii for my mom I'd be like Oh my gosh oh my gosh that now. But also the goal can be. Paying off debt, the goal can be saving up three months. say savings emergencies putting a percentage into your? Retirement funds these goals also. We think about and sometimes punctuate some of the more fun. The adventured? Yeah. The adventure endeavors with some financial ones that wear. Bi Walter. Little. Always helped when we take trips if clients along. Because we have five people in my family. The way we're GONNA, come out in the black. Even if we take. People with us. Yeah. But if we can just minimize. The. Word that we do the same the experience for the experiences that all of us would have. Yeah, it was a lot more than just me. This, how we fund our sales you now it's like, okay we're GonNa go to Mexico or ten people are going meet us they are going to. Pay Bills as we go to. For. Sure. But it's you know. I think you and I are. Fortunate that we have option. If we want a good dive in, Hawaii, we're going to set up a class to help favor that trip and networking dive in Hawaii. Fire people to want to go with us. Yeah. That maybe was a gift I. Didn't realize I had that I could. I could encourage people and they would actually say, yes. Go. With allow okay. Do this. Cool it is cool. It's cool. Get scary sometimes too. Though when we have trip land in your just waiting for the people to come in sign up in this gets a little. When you have not seen bolts that you have to put in place in pay for. Yeah. In in advance that leap of faith again me no. Yeah created and hopefully they come. Yes. Exactly. If you build it. They stance I know all the field of dreams quotes. Let's channel over to so God waters about that. Yes. Speaking of trusting and faith and all that other stuff I just thought you know the scripture versa pulled out when we talk about One of the barriers to doing let you what both of Y'all have. Dylan. What I'm trying to do can be. Money or can be. Is this practical or is this That's what everyone wants to know about? Is there any faith what what is the faith that it takes to do it for me? Knowing that I'm not alone knowing that there is for me a heavenly father who loves the doors knee and? And is going to be with me in the thick and the thin. Gives me a lot of comfort? In also directing me here's a scripture epic does Hebrews Thirteen verse five stay away from the love of money be satisfied with what you have. Forgotten said I will never never fail you or forsake you. I was not sure you know we were talking back and forth about which scripture to use Melo Blah. I wasn't sure what you're going to come up with this. frigging. Perfect. Tell me why why do you think it's because this is this is like one of my mantras. As, a sailor when we take off for half the year when we`re Thinking about, should we buy another vehicle but then I was telling you. Know or nine debt I love that dent in the back of my van reminds me that we're living responsibly in within our means I love that feeling but this is the mantra you have to adopt. When you're gonNA live that way and do some of the things you love. GotTa. Temper your love of money and you've got A. Always have some contentment were not always looking at the next best thing doesn't mean it can't have goals but also being content. With what you are in what you have, and sometimes it's just enough. Rethink Joe. Do. We nail that or what? I will I will tell that to myself tomorrow morning when a paddle. This morning when. Content. With what had and I will check my cell phone wishing I was elsewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Because right now. I'm here. Here. No kind of. Miss Character building. there. But this is the time that while I'm still organized the contest that I need to be present. For. This event and these people and. But missed together in making it happen and it's a little different this year because of safety protocols, and so I have to put in place in my mind. Different methods of protection. For individuals because in the long view. I'm still Christian nisus morning as we were sitting in waiting. Australian Christian. Teaches for Doug. That in the long view if? If this comes back to bite me or haunt me that people became sick from this context of this event that I'm having. Might be only one having event. Of any. Size. In the near future right now, I might be the only one. But I know. For from historical perspective I, know the numbers and I know the space. And I'll have to be really diligent. To minimize products, bread, and of course, I will have any control over people that are coming that may or may not be a symptomatic or positive for right. I won't have any control over that, but I will be able to set into place a movement patterns and distancing just like now when you go into a public place and you see what? What about those have been put in place? And that's that's where my brain is right now, and that's a different place for my brain to be. Different for all, we'll be hugging anybody WANNA have the ASS way of a out of nobody can get him. You know. I think 'cause Duke still doable is. Doable. We've been running classes. We haven't been putting in as much protection as we should. I don't I don't think probably have to in July ramp it up a bit but. Also. Just reminding everybody that there's a risk. Involved and we're going to minimize that risk but ultimately, yes, we're responsible for ourselves. That's a very good point or had it out loud. We now your at risk. This activity that we are pursuing at this moment. So we have to be mindful of the risk to ourselves and others neck as to preach it they're looking at you as. The Standard, some people aren't thinking about accepting or not accepting risk for themselves. They're just thinking it must be safe if she's doing this, you have to take personal responding. Exactly. I've been really pleased with what I've noticed at the south end of rights will beaches four as the residents and the vacationers. The amount of spacing in the. Care it's noticeable. That people aren't hugging in hair to what would have normally been the A and and we are all standoffish necessarily. So right now in hopefully nobody's taken personal I think I've been kissed by two people in the man I live with in the last six months. And that's a little different the normal southern. Yes. I'm physical and so I have to grow even this morning I went right in. Crap but to lease since I recognize that I think Oh. Yeah. That's good. That's no that this moment we're going to be different. CA-. Yeah. It's my hold up. Because I'm not just thinking about it but anyway. We Digress a little sadly no, he didn't those perfect. Let's see. Often Li give a little homework for our listeners zero anything on the tip of Y'alls mine that you would go. Wasn't next up or what is you know if they're thinking about? Going into or monetize ing or making their living part of what they love is era a next step will the example that we set. Doing what we're doing that has turned into a livelihood that was a hobby. As we age and realizing the time that we have to put in to be room best selves at doing what we're doing like you. If you've watched me this morning, you would not have been Gannett Saddam was my own bestseller. Let, me tell you I struggled, but it's a it's a day by day in changes I did my best surfing in my. Decade of my fifties L. that's good to know. Yeah. Yeah and I look back now I realize it and at the time I, was on this path of continuing to improve and righteous went with it as long as you'd go with it and things changed when I turned sixty. Things Change. It's the biology of the situation. I just have to go with what I've got right. And and as I'm growing and changing I'm realizing that part of the journey is recognizing the changes I don't want to call him limits because in many ways, the limits have expanded with other ways, the limits have contracted in there. So I just have to be with that can evolve with it and could be content and find the continent in. Hello you know. Accepting but also exploring. Where there is? Some limit expanding normally just different than where you're used to. Now it's safe for newer people trying to do that. Keep it slow. You know we could teach at twice the capacity we teach now. That ain't fun. And it's not healthy going back to what you were saying about. Keeping yourself in that head space, we can be your best self we teach. Half the classes we could. To stay. Keep a healthy attitude about it and. We sacrifice a little because of that. That is cool I'm cool with that because also, what did you just say yeah, diva stay away from the level of money be satisfied have you can offer a better product? You can do it for a longer sustain sustain. Right, we'll thank you for. Thank you for having me yeah. My first lady. My only five best is not justified down and enjoyed it very much. I'll be. Old Friend. Louvre. Very cool hands in covet style. All right. Well, YEP check out the website leave some comments. Good instagram laurels always posting there. Sometimes, it trickles over to facebook. You can check there too. But. Yeah. Mostly just thanks for listening. Right. Yep. Thank you. Thank. As. mind. Talking to Michael. We'll hopefully I was.

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