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Kumail Nanjiani & Phoebe Robinson

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

22:18 min | 1 year ago

Kumail Nanjiani & Phoebe Robinson

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of Watch what happens live with me. Andy Cohen he made a movie about how he met his wife and she brought the phrase <music> Haute cuisine into your life. It's watch what happens live with bb Robinson and Kumail Nangiani now I M Euros Sandy Cohen in the clubhouse on Wednesday night with do very funny people in a small but well lubricated audience who laugh at everything anyway. Maybe I guess is a comedian Indian writer actress and hit podcasts Creator whose comedy club Tour Sorry Harriet Tubman is sure to be even funnier than when Atlanta also I've Porsche thought the underground railroad was an actual train say I to our friend phoebe Robinson ah from Silicon Valley in the big cities now playing an uber driver in the Action Comedy Movie Stupor Go see a Friday and then give it a five star rating welcome back Kumail Johnny one point out two things that is not Giovanni Okay A._C._O.'s okay very good seems Giovanni esque and the two of you have known each other for we're good decade stand up in New York and they moved to became a huge star right and I'm trying to catch up yes yes. He's been nominated for an Oscar your big deal. They did lose an Oscar. So who did you lose to Jordan. peele happy to lose to Georgia's tonight's bartender knows which booze fares vast with the beach body. It's my trainer steady club. CHECA GO Terry. I gotTa get back on the program a little bit yeah I know yeah come back his by set huge what did objectify Stanislav but you should see his ass. jarreds look pregnant phoebe. We always love talking. How size with you I wanna get your take on some recent trauma okay New York City thoughts on Ramona Planning Party for Sonia enter into the same night as lose cabaret show that was so shady and Ramona knew it but it is her brand to do something like that so I was four dogs on Lewin's single feeling Giovanni? Is it ahead you know Oh yes it is these explosive fight with Lou because Bethany felt she put in more effort and support Liu and not Dennis. I agree with Bethany thing she's been going through a lot. I think was a little bit in her own cabaret world world so I understand the meltdown over the potomac thoughts on candice criticizing Ashley for drinking while She's trying to get pregnant. You know what I think can is just needs to minor all business straight <hes> drink and then have sex and then get pregnant. That's how it works thoughts. What's on the ups and downs of Gisela Karen's friendship? I just don't think they're ever going to be friends again. I think they need to accept it. Keep watching on canvasses situation with her mom. Is it okay for the MONTO hitter with the pocket book in the face of old don't. <music> adverse slap kate spade. That's crazy. No no no no no. Thank you very much. I appreciate your hot takes. Just email you wanted to add was one of the people named carrot carrot no candidate candice and Candice Karen Karen. That's bad what seem like more likely name than caring but that could be interesting you could be onto something your questions for phoebe and Kumail or coming in but before we get to those here's what three things on the szeswith tonight and I I as we learned in the Big Kumail actually met his wife when she tackled him during a standup set so here's what I want to find out if a like Kumail phoebe has had toward love affairs with all our hecklers among other hijinks with around of drink up stand end up going to read you both a stand up related and never have I ever statement if you've done the thing take a sip of your drink. I know you don't drink but enjoy your water. If you've done the thing never have I ever gotten in a fight with a heckler in the middle of performance yes you have. I have never ever hooked up with the fan in the audience after a show. I'm married one okay. Never have I ever heard other comedians talking crap about me backstage we have if you've done it. You drink no never have I ever told to a fellow comedian how amazing his or her sat was when I actually hated it. Yes that's very never ever pass gas onstage and that someone called me out for take me out but I do all the time okay never ever performed to not put the mic on your never. Have I ever performed in a club to literally one person in the audience one. I haven't been to okay wow this never ever never ever made a joke about another celebrity and then they confronted me after because they were pissed. No Oh my God no not yet okay. Thank you very much. That's a good one to not have happened. I once had a heckler got into a fight with flick a cigarette butt at me. Wow A lit cigarette. Oh Atlanta's a great city second before the show Kumail took me aside and said if there's an opening I would love to talk about the Kardashians well. He didn't say that in so many words but he said it with his eyes so here's what I'm going to throw out some pop culture happenings less how you feel about them. Okay I love odd. Take for most of you who mails thoughts on the Taylor Swift feuding with talent manager Scooter Braun over the right stirs songs <hes> I would have to say looking at the picture picture those with Taylor thoughts on the backlash over the casting of Halle Bailey as area in the live action reboot of Disney's Little Mermaid scillies animated character doesn't exist anyone of any race COMPLA- aerial will come to the U._S. Women's soccer team stating they would snob it invitation to the White House. I support whatever they WANNA. Do they. Just they're just kings of the world of Kumail socks on Kim Kardashian facing accusations of cultural appropriation for naming her shape where line Kim Camino Komodo Kimono yes heard of this you had not heard of I will say it. My thought is surprise uh-huh dots Prince Harry and Meghan markle keeping the Christening of their son archie super secretive. Yes you want to like you. Don't need a cameras in every single thing as support it right. I'm GONNA Dog Parent. You are sorry Meghan. Harry have you guys done the archie. That's the baby's name they love. Riverdale Meghan markle either of you talking about she was on suits anywhere we now show called Franklin and they used to get beat by suit so I guess thank you very much. Both of you finally T._V.'s book. Everything's trash but it's okay. She had a section called nine tips tips on how to be a single that don't actually suck well. Here's what my single staffers read those nine tips and they still need about ninety more phoebe and Kumail. I have their anonymous questions here inbox. Please do what you can to boost the morale of my single staff okay. They have questions. How do I politely tell someone that I just want to have sex with them because they aren't relationship material? I think that they it just how many random hookup so weak is is too many I would say let's do this for a straight guy a straight girl and a gay Guy Okay Straight Guy. How many is okay? I think no more than three for any really any I would say any more a seven is troubling then you're doubling up each day and it's weird. What is the best opening line? I can use in a bar if I'm just looking to get laid. I'm just looking to get laid. I've been I haven't been singled for many many many often the person to buy a drink. I feel like that's the most sort of normally how many months or years old can a picture beat for it to still be okay on a dating APP profile. Oh you know what when you look. You know if it's too old. You don't need to ask that question if you look and you're like Oh that's not a picture from today. It's tool I say five years five years I mean I kind of I okay for people color Taylor who have Melanin and yeah you. Can you know but white people like last week. You got a week Yeah Brown and black people five years is pretty good. Yes yes yes all right. Okay thank thank you very much. Let's go to Corrie from New York. Hey Corey what your question. Hey Andy. I Love You love you. My question is for Phoebe be <hes> what was the most nerve wracking part of interviewing Michelle Obama for her book tour in what is the one question you wish you asked but thought it might be too shady good yeah. was there anything you were dying to get in and on and you thought I gotTa keep it tight I wanted to maybe talk a little bit about trump and I was just sort of like <hes>. Let's just have this be. Her moment. Most nerve wracking thing is that there were fifteen thousand people wow at each shows you like I've for book so that was very scary but she was. It's amazing and she smelled real fifteen thousand people one of them was Michelle Obama. Yes exactly all right. Let's go to Karen from Boston for Kumail. What's your question Karen High Command I other rumors rumors true that you might be joining Angelina Jolie in the new marvel movie the eternal? Oh I've heard those rumors and I it would be great if there were true all right. You're very good. <hes> let's go to Angela from California for phoebe. Hey Angela Hi okay phoebe so since you're big Atlanta how size fan what do you think about needing Cynthia ending their friendship and do you think there's hope for the two of them in the future. That really bummed me out because I thought they were going to work it out. I'm going to hold out hope because Nina's sweet and so a sippy they just got talk it out have a boozy brunch. You'll be fine conny. L. Wants to know phoebe without naming naming naming names. Can you give us clues about who Richard was in your book. This was a famous comedian. who asked you what the situation was down there pointing to your crotch? Yes yes not famous. Ah Working Common what just his first and last name his first name's arts the Letter v Wow that's Victor Vincent. It's got to be one of the two now all right Vincent Victor of let's go to Ohio. I am so excited. He's GonNa tell me about good question. Did you hear from the comedian after you wrote the book I did not okay which I didn't expect to emily. What's your question for Kumail High Handy? My question for Kumail is have you seen or spoken to Megan McCain since you choose squash your twitter feud twitter feud I mean I don't even know if it was a huge okay. <hes> I have not seen her. Actually I did the view this week but she was not there and I'm not gonNA take that as a sign okay okay but the feud is squash feel yeah yeah. There's no feud of Kumail Melissa be wants to know what is the one American tradition or habit. That is the strangest to you. There's so many strange things <hes> I putting cheese and everything what's the deal with that because she likes everything bad Jesus the best cheese and butter you guys are America yeah that there you go. That's how it goes. Yeah I mean I- pizza cheeses great but other than that I don't need everything right eggs. No all right. It's game time everybody was big time T._v.. Used to write real housewives recap so we thought it would be fun to take her trip down memory lane but like all house five trips. It's bound to go a bit haywire. We're GONNA play lost and Bravo Kumail. You will turn to face the Monitor as we roll like Economic Bravo clips without sound. It is your job to describe to me what is happening so she can then ide- the famous scene if you've got five and in sixty seconds you both went oh my God. I've never shows you're GONNA. I don't know the names right. You don't know the names you don't know anything so let's go the people around the white table the woman that's fallen down. She's in white and the other one to grab her. They're all white is this when Liu and got drunk and fell in the bushes inside there at the table inside there at Dinner Bethany like freaked out it Luanne no Miami Tammy no one's fall over and over there falling now giving a lap dance to someone they're both women and the book the woman's wearing a one sitting down wearing a red plaid thing. Thing in the other women's wearing like a black lingerie type thing. She's got a black hat on this so yeah again both black okay great this Cynthia doing it to the woman. One is crying really really hard white blonde hair. She's pulling out of her. She's done with it. She's going to cry about anywhere some work than I would assume pulling out of her Tinsley crying at the Circus Katie for Michigan wants to know the biggest blurs you've made since the huge success of the big sick the biggest what's have made splurge. Oh the biggest lergy. I've made nothing I I don't i. I know it's going to end at some points to hoard the money for one does on that note carly effluence know how you celebrated making your way out of sixty five thousand dollars in debt. Oh I I celebrate it. I think it just like a girls night and got some Rosaiah and watch like a really bad movie in my apartment did you is that like credit card credit card loans. I wrote on the last season Portland area and every penny from that job I put towards that. I bet you felt like you took the biggest poop of your life yeah I did. I felt so happy and they send you a letter when all your loans are paid off a nice dog. It was like the coolest mode of my life. It's amazing. What an accomplishment that's great? Henry B wants to Steven Spielberg really tweeted from your phone after you've found found out the big sick got snubbed at the golden gloves obviously that it was a fantastic joke you me. He obviously did not tweet from yeah. I said Steven Spielberg was at my house tweeting from my phone and it's just me going. I love the big thick. was that really Steven Spielberg at my house. He says I've been watching with my family the Spielberg's why would he talk like that. It is time for my Mazal Jackal. Since I guess the voices the People WanNa hear tonight. I'm asking them to do the the honors Phoebe. What's your Masel? It is the cast picture of the Lion King Lava everyone on say Grogan and billy. I everyone looks beautiful. This movie is going to be amazing and I just lumped brighten up our lives. It just like the hot curvy beyond say fiancee is there when they took the picture they dropped her. She was like guys yes okay Camille. What's Your Jack Hole so I'm on a no sugar? No gluten die right now. Jack Whole <music> are croissants croissants carrot cake cheese cake buns bread creme brule a banana bread apple pie anything that tastes good. I can go get these sorry Harriet Tubman tour phoebe robbins who mailed Johnny Stars in the movie theater do Burr my bartender Stanislav Kravchenko Danny standing. I gave up equinoxes. Where a temple now? Uh All right. Let's go to Robyn for Minnesota Robin. What's your question? Hi <hes>. Can you tell us anything about the final season Silicon Valley and what did you do. The chances are T._J.. Miller making one last. The parents we have just started shooting the final season so even I actually don't know and I have not heard about T._J.. Returning so I would. I would think that if he was going back I would have heard hurt right. That's pancer. Let's go to Jonathan from Chicago Jonathan. What's your question tie Andy? <hes> I have a question for Phoebe and that is what is your relationship like with Oprah today. And what do you think of her saying that she's she's considered rebooting her talk. Show wait. What do you have a relationship with Oprah? We we have texted with Bro. Yeah like Oprah Winfrey. Oprah Winfrey have voicemail that she left on my phone. Wow Oh you know my relationship is that she is my Jesus and I worship per every day but like we don't hang out but I think one day maybe next year. We'll have a broad. What was the voicemail Sushi read my first book and she really liked us? She just called to tell me that she like my book which is so like classy an incredible and she was just very sweet. We're you did you see the call coming in and be like unknown number. I'm not getting this. I so I will had crazy amount of debt at the time so I didn't pick up the phone black yes so I would just always declined because I'm like I don't know who loses and then she eventually left me a voice models like I cannot believe like I didn't pick up for oh but are you happier that you didn't pick up because you have the voicemail yes yes so it all worked out. Let's go to Melinda from Colorado last call tonight. Hey Melinda Hi Andy Love you of you. I have a question Russian per Camille okay. What are your what are your thoughts on? Cancel coach during comedians getting called out for sensitive tweets from years before oh I think it's case by case you know if somebody said something that they haven't apologize for that was extremely offensive then. I think you have to sort of hold people accountable for the things they've done but I also think yeah. There's no good answer to that. It's sort of case by case comedians. Have some people have been cancelled and I think it's been called for seems like people are really ready to cancel very quickly these days yes but I think we also just be a little bit smarter about like what we're saying. I think that's absolutely it's also interesting because what is considered now by many to be an appropriate ten years ago was not as that is yes and we were probably wrong then and we're right now but right but sometimes sometimes back then people said stuff that that most of the mainstream people were just okay right right I mean I was saying things during our rehearsal in the control room after an hour ago that I now realize now awesome wow that was inappropriate but I mean it just was appropriate anyway. I WANNA say Bobby. Wait before you go. Here's the point probably a better idea. I want to be on the road for seven hours. Just shut up and go home this Jesus Christ go get on a plane. I'll pay for it and go back to Charleston escapes round-robin something to cats. which is the whole time? I can't listen to it anymore. bitching the aggression just seems like a lot. I will never speak to you yet done done done.

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Phoebe Robinson

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1:50:48 hr | 7 months ago

Phoebe Robinson

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I couldn't get with it like I could hit twenty thousand nine hundred. I can remember twenty twenty. I'M GONNA remember says more exciting. Yeah Twenty twenty. I got it. You'll have to remember one number. You know what I mean if you remember one number twenty. That's Edward numbers. We're we're here in a new year banging on the table New Year. Do Your New Year's resolution from me Eh to stop being on the table New Year new you. I believe we should be able to get other people. Resolutions give other people notes on their bed is something can you believe. Hey I've a resolution for you here's some. I don't like that you could work on. I like that idea. I think that's what we should do. I think we should say what our New Year's resolutions are. Okay my main New Year's resolution is on this tour. Because you know. I'm doing twenty five cities this year. Five twenty five cities. STARTING IN MARCH WHITNEY CUMMINGS DOT COM. Text me if you want to text me. How dare you tour ideas of what to do? I am so hardcore about this tour. I'm going to come in the night before and I'm going to experience your city. I'm going to sensuously taking your city. I'm going to be bow on tourist but not just for content. I'm not just going to go do stuff around the city for selfish. I really want to enjoy America. I want to absorb this. Great Country of ours is to have fun this year. I'm GONNA enjoy something. I'm going to work less. I mean obviously because normally when I go to a city I landed five o'clock. I'm Russian from the airport. I get to the venue at seven. The shows at seven thirty. I'm do you know like I really want to spend a day and write material specific to the city so that you know my first. Ten minutes is about the city I wrote down a bunch of goals. I I love that. Don't you think they really like most comics already do that but I think so. I think that Y- I think so. I've always had such a hectic schedule and then I feel like I've been to Detroit been there ten times have never got actually have fun there for the day before so in Detroit I have My near solution is to go to Detroit and meet Eminem does that okay. I feel like that's a big one. If KRISTALINA can meet Eminem I can I can meet Eminem Bristolian comedian. You can hear him. Hey guys hanging out with them and that made made me think. This is a very achievable goal. There's also in what we're GONNA be at the Royal Oak Theater but there's a place called the the grand ballroom. It's an abandoned ballroom in Detroit. Isn't that old you board. We'll get right into this Buki. We can like look for. Goes anything creepy. There's also a abandoned church called. The Saint Agnes bigger. Like I don't know if there's this people like to go I'm GonNa go enjoy your city owned loan and then I'll come see you sound good. No one's there. I will hang out with appeased. There's an abandoned warehouse and abandon hospital. I feel a ghost. Close town do a show there. I feel like I'm sure there's other tourists Houston Houston. I'm coming for you. There's a battleship monument. Do you know that. I'm into like war memorial and now you're in the war psychological. I love war memorials. And there's one in Houston. I wrote it down. It's called San. You seem to- battleship monument die. Say That okay that racist the Sani seem to a battleship monument. I'm super into battle Shit but I'm worried because have you ever gone to like a history site and might have influences are taking sexy photos on top of people's graves. Yes yes we got to watch it. We got to watch the sexy sell fees on war memorials. It's gotten out of hand. We need a class it up. Okay I was reading being that influences going to chur noble in the Ukraine and taking sexy photos with their titties out where nine thousand people died at a nuclear wayside. Pull it together. No they're not respect in a full bandage. Wrap dress for your thoughts. got this at BB. I don't know why Brandon's jazz always makes me think. Bv For some reason you guys love fashion. No how do you pronounce that story's a BB or obey of never known It's not obey. I'm pretty sure sure. Maybe I'll go to the Houston Indianapolis. I looked up. There's an Eagle Creek nature preserve. I'm going to get nature's fuck. Tuck your nature af we're going to go. I don't know Swiss inducts. What do you do some ducks Dallas? Are you ready. What we're GONNA DO IN DALLAS? I'm ready for Dallas. JFK's assassination assassination. I'M GONNA address. Jackie Kennedy The whole tour just a pink hats. You guys ready. What is the JFK's assassination the nation tour? That doesn't seem of lifting and he was going to be like and that's where he did no but I wanna go and cost him. You'd be Maryland Maryland. I don't think she was there that day but in spirit we know that dresses see-through into type for me Hashtag but back. You know that I love the Carolinas. I think Carolina North Carolina's one of the most beautiful places place on planet home of Nicholas Sparks movies. Oh really that's right. Recreate the notebook reading. Why people do we can do falls lake state recreation recreation and by the way you guys text me eight one eight two three nine seven five two seven if these are dumb ideas? Tell me if they're bad you guys need to. DM Benton DM him ninety and then text us. Let us know. There's a house party we should go to. Don't do graduation prom coming up. Like a gender reveal party. Hey Sean stop at. I want to go to the lemur center in. I WANNA go the lemur sinner winner very excited for leaves to make sure it's humane. You guys text me. Make sure if it's not we'll still the lemurs that's right it needs to be accredited. Don't semi much zoos. You know I'll try to break the animal's out or getting some big fight. Awesome also has inbreeding away tiger. You know that's my brand Nashville trying to go to the Nashville. I'm so excited for you to go. National Elephants Sanctuary. Though the one that I want to go to. It's not in Nashville. Home Wall own walled. Where's that ultimately is about four hours from Nashville about an hour and a half from my hometown? What are we are? We GonNA do. The Bar bike there pedal taverns you can do in Nashville non home all but what you need to Nashville. Throw the Reimann the mandatory okay. That's the mother Church of Country Music. They call it. Oh that's not the great opry they the home granddaughter. Upper East Greenwich already from Nineteen Forty three to nineteen seventy-four just had a real conversation with no jokes in it for about thirteen seconds or well. That was real Atlanta. I looked up this fern bank museum. It's a three theater is that sounds fun. Atlanta is a I love Atlanta. But I think you do. There's like buy you buy. Do you buy nice clothes. That's what you need to really your Luke Luke Lou in Atlanta. Yes they love a good look at a strip club. Atlanta has the best clubs surreally. Yes they have a beautiful shippers hustler. Strippers really not like not like National Strippers Benson. You're really you're throwing me for a loop. You WanNa go to strip clubs in. I love some clubs there so those guys are so cool streams in hopes. I Love Them. They're named dream and hope. Yeah yes we go to strip club in Atlanta. That'd be great. What a good content? What grinding I would love to see you at a strip club? This is kind of blowing my mind. They're fine. I always have nice conversation with the girls. Yeah if you do make up on all time. I'm at a loss for words. Welcome I'm just enjoying you. Getting a lap dance so much from Atlanta strippers lots of process sweetwater Water Creek State Park. I'll be there while you're at the club. Go anywhere on sweetwater. I'll be hiking sweetwater state park while you're getting lapped at comes. We ought to strip the Miami. My what are we going to do in Miami. WAX ARE PBS. Now we're gonNA dance right now. I got to form Vegas Guess. Boston fenway pack. Should we got a family. Pack is maybe a math vineyard. I really wanted. There's Martha's Vineyard is one of the most beautiful place on the planet that I have never been so I kinda WanNa go there. Five time Long Island we're going to Long Island medium. There's a place. A castle in a long island called the come most steady state park. You guys are going to have to. Also there's a long island medium. What's that mean? You don't know her like the lady that yes the Long Island medium that interact with your. You're dead relative a reality show yes she does look at her hair with that. I love her okay. She's fine dead relatives. You WanNa talk to no see I do but there we go. I don't think but I don't want to show. I don't have a lady. I want to talk to a medium Minneapolis. There's a place in Minneapolis. Called called the mini Ha. Hah Falls minne ha ha fall on this comedian doing a bad joke. It was a mini Ha-. I had a bit of a mini. Ha Ha there's a lake. Harriet Harriet. which is one of my favorite names? Next time I get horse. I'M GONNA Harriet. So maybe these are bad ideas but these are my new year's as resolutions. It's your Vegas I'm excited about. I want to see a residency show of what a Lotta have residencies island. Does he share share a senior before you ever seen chair. I haven't I don't feel like I need to see share. She flies above you like literally detach anything I'd I would say. I love obsessed with share. But I don't I'd rather go see see like the Cirque du Soleil Shows I've seen in Vegas really. I like the ones with the water. Yeah that's the one I watch with the Lizard People. I like to see like people maybe almost must be about to die. Okay too late okay. You're also going to Cleveland. I'm excited about. I am going to Cleveland. I have no idea what to do. In Cleveland has a cemetery rock auct- oh there's two different cemeteries it. Put on. Free concerts in them. And there's a dueling battle rocks like you can go look at rocks. I'd actually like that. I Know No. This is Museum of Roy Cemetery with music dancing full belting Adele like this great over people's graves that sounds disrespectful under so those are my resolutions do you have any. That's my main one but your main resolution. Ah miming resolution is to do more things that scare me. I hate this okay but I mean I know no. You don't like it because you I'm not a rich white woman because I have I have real fears because that's a that's a white girls go to like. I just want to do something every day. That scares me. You're basically just bragging about how great your life. Well I have real fears. I WANNA I WANNA learn more about sports. That's really scary to me. What do you WanNa know to ask like? I would like to know what are the physicians in a football team. What are all of them quarterback linebacker running back defense event event ahead hunter Run Downer okay. clete guy. Clean water kicker her waterboard the waterboy got her A tackle main tackle maintact. Who side tackles will up up and down inside out? I think you're wrong but I do. I didn't think I actually did get a couple. I wish I knew so I could tell you how wrong you no no. That's what I want. So that's one thing. I want to assistant coach position flutter flutter monger flutter mongers but you don't know that I know that one's wrong so you just WANNA learn football. I think that'd be really helpful because then when some people bring it up. I won't be uncomfortable about it or shouldn't be talking about it. It'll be it'll be well rounded. You just never learned about sports because I've never wanted to. I Never Sports Roy to me that I was. I can't be involved in that. It's not for me very uncomfortable and something. I don't WANNA try. Yeah so you never. In High School played sports. I played a no not in high school. I I played in middle school. I played baseball but I had to stop because I didn't know I was ground when they accommodate the balls all ring no nick ground ball a ground ball rolling. I used to kick them up and catch them. You know what soccer. Yeah so I asked me to leave. I did do karate who I didn't you just course correct I try but then also I would. I would be so bored in the outfield and stuff that I would start recreating movies in my acting. Things out was cattleman. Alon out there you and that board faster than anyone I know. And when you're in a fascinating situation you also look bored bored all the time. It's my around approachable charm. So I didn't I did do karate for eighteen years. I have a black belt okay. I didn't know that karate. Wow we have peace okay. Have you ever had to is your karate's No I've never had I did. I sparred I was. I did like Carnegie for a long time okay. I it's not bragging but I was so I think I got to judge the competitions. A couple years let me yeah fancy okay. So that's about sports that's really terrifying to me. Also also the positions football. Do you WANNA pick anything. I followed you WanNa. WHO's your team? Oh you tell me. The seahawks. Apparently our bill. Burr said the seahawks are good. So how did that go bill. Burr put your money on a winner is there. I don't know I'll I'll pick over the coolest mascot that's okay but I will let you do that because I felt that it'd be terrifying in certain situations if I knew more about it. Hang out with a lot of Bros.. Really talking big BRO. Fan Base really. That's the kind of joke yeah I'm the voice the Voice of the people that and I also weight rooms or terrifying to me. I'd like to be more comfortable weight room. That's a that's an area that I just I go when there's like I think I should. I should probably go. What does it mean it's just terrifying? You Walk in there and everyone for the vigneault. Something I don't know they're always trying to like about weight rooms right now. Everyone's filming themselves at weight rooms if you're always on camera you're always an extra in someone's instagram video. You know what I mean like. There's always like if you look down. There's always cameras leaned up against other things. So people are like filming themselves lifting weights because everyone thinks they have a channel now. Everyone's a star of their own. You Know Cross Fitch show shell the more talk with this tomorrow. I'm thinking that maybe just confidence in areas. I'm uncomfortable in his point. I WANNA work on more than fears. Because I don't feel like there are places I feel really comfortable. Yeah and then there are places that don't know things like Sephora. Fine yes that's your comfort zone. A farm got it any of those areas. Okay okay do you want to be able to have conversation with football guys. Yeah I want to impress you not you rest I. I am very impressed with what your other one. I think. That's really oh I really want to be able to say no more. So do your podcast. I think ink is giving people the impression that I want to do everything that involves talking. You know what I mean because like when I just stand up and I just did acting. You're just writing people like. Oh she's so busy now that I'm doing a podcast. I think I'm giving off a vibe that I'm just available for everyone's event to host everyone's thing and and I'm noticing this thing now where people will ask you a question but the answer is not allowed to be no and they will pressure you into doing something so this person asked me to speak at their events that next month or something and I was like. I'm sorry I can't i. It's already really hard for me to say no so. It was a big deal that I was like. I'm so sorry I you know. Regretfully cannot make it. Thanks for thinking me and she she was like ooh. But you'll be so good you'd be so the event would be so much better with you and like all right. Thank you thank you so much. Still can't do it and she's like oh please. There's this new thing where you compliment someone to the point of bullying them. It's like Nice bullying which is not nice to be so brilliantly. Such a genius like please do this. It's it's like okay now. You're just manipulating me. I don't like that I don't like being manipulated. And that's what she was doing and then so I had to say no like four times. It's already hard enough from us at once. And then and she was. Oh God well. We can't find anyone as good as you. Do you know anyone now. I have to book your event now. I work now. I work for you like it's just people have no boundaries anymore. You have to control yourself. I'm not seeing a lot of that right now and I think what's happening is there's a clash between the instagram self. Help motivational relational feeds. That are like say no stand up for yourself and then the motivational feeds. That are like don't take no for an answer so all the people that just figured out how to say no. We're going up against all the people that are being told. Don't take no for an answer. Take no for an answer if someone says no you know like I think we've to delineate because I think there's this new like well I've been told never take no for an answer so I'm just GonNa keep being persistent and annoying shit out of you till I get what I want for sure. What at this whole time? They were just planning a surprise party like when we really need you like we really need you there. And you're like I can't do it and I know you have to be there. It'd be really cool if you're in this it's cake you know. That's what I thought was so weird because there will be so perfect for the slaying we see you. We can't find anyone to be as good as you like. Why did you plan an event that only I I could do like sounds like you plan a party that I'm doing without asking me? We can't have this event without you think you told me I I just just I don't like when people pressure you by giving you compliments. It's confusing I. That feels like a like a business tactic. Those are good thing people out here especially do maybe be were there. They just think that they're going to like that. They're doing you a favor and you're a very slick. Yeah I just my thing is I have to say no we. I have an addiction addiction to saying yes to people because I don't want to disappoint people. My new thing now is if it's definitely know like just by default is no but I usually say gimmie three days so I can think there're because what I do is I say yes everything and then it comes and it's like here it is. It's three hours away and we only need six hours of your time and it doesn't pay and it's just like I'm giving giving away my time too much I'm hemorrhaging time and energy using. There's a place to your at the place now. You don't need to do that. I would like to do as much as I can do. But if I say they no you gotta hear me no means no women should know that not just in sexual situations if I say no. I can't do your thing or no. I can't anti favor for you. I don't know why that maybe I've just given off the VIBE that I'm a pushover so people are like just ask again. Just say that's not really no but I think there's a good point you make because I think people are so used to like hearing throughout their careers in college like say yes everything everything so. It's nice to know like time for no you have to and you also that's interesting. You say that say yes. Everything figured out later. I think there's I think there's a difference. People are getting confused in the self help world which is like yes say yes to adventure say yes to a job that you're not quite ready for you'll figure it out but don't not let someone say no to you but that's not saying yes. Don't be so persistent that you're being annoying to somebody you know like you're not available to re route and take a different path be flexible. It's a great. That's a great point because I think we do get hung up on the state like you said take a new job ticket. Oh that's if you can figure out you need a break and you should say yes to a break break. Yeah no I think. That's that's such a good point. People like say yes say yes that doesn't just mean to working that means to saying yes to taking a day off that means saying yes in self cares saying yes to an eight hour. Sleep night you know. You can't be the person that's perfect for this event and you have no time to be that person that's correct and if I show up haggard and tired and and annoyed and resentful that doesn't benefit anybody and then you leave countries you know and I think it's hard now because it's like I think especially the podcast. I've been getting insecure because it's like there's so podcast and there's so many events to do and they're like you'll be in our social and you do and I think I've wanted so bad for the podcast to do well that I'm just like saying yes just so many things spreading myself way too thin and you know when I spread myself. It's up to ten the best version of myself no. I don't think anyone is though like yeah. Who can I mean? You can't was something like this and you just your career in general. It's a very like you with being what you what you do is a lot of giving give if you're if you're not full. I think that's a really good point. That's that's a big on thing like your glass has to be running over. You don't have to have extra to give and that's I say that non like I just don't have anything to give I'm a capacity you know like but people want to argue with me about. Oh it's only two hours. Oh it's so close to your house else like you know. Because they don't get it. I think people see someone that has just anything and they're like. Oh well this is what you wanna be doing a podcast. You do stand up you want this. Yes yes isn't this great that we're giving me this opportunity. I I do think it's interesting. I have a hard time asking anyone for anything. The fact that someone will ask me for something. And then I'll say no and Alaskan game. I'm like damn good for you. Guys I mean I I guess it's the next level in my sort of like Ninja codependence recovery like at some black belts shit to have to say no six times to the same person. Yeah because people sometimes that when you say none of them they think it's great now. Let's negotiate that was your opening offer. I mean no. No no is complete sentence that that's it's business one on one because they always tell you just ask the worst they can say. Yeah I liked. It knows what they said. I've said it is the end of the conversation. They don't say the worst thing. There's no one asks Dan if you say no they then think you owe them a favor. That's another thing I'm noticing so if I say no I can't do your event. Whatever six months later like hey circling back was one? If you could do this other thing. It's like I don't know you know yeah. I know you don't have like points. We'll get your next event. No No I. I didn't work for you. I didn't fail you. I don't owe you for down the line because I said not your offer. That's how people like to ask the whole area. I'm just it's so weird that I'm having to you know I don't do on email. I talk about this all the time. Just communicating with people brings up a lot for me right right now. I'm so annoyed. About what is now people will call you right hard enough for me to talk on the phone. I love talking on the phone. I prefer to email. Because it's it's you know you get stuff done more efficiently on the phone but now people have ruined phone calls by emailing while you're on the phone with them. I would say in the last week at at least two phone calls. I've been talking to someone and I hear quickly like are you. What people just email now while they're on the phone you? I can't tell you I can hear. Are you whenever you want to call this summer. Yeah Yeah I know you're doing something else I know you're emailing what is this. Do you think that you're pulling off. And then I start to overcompensate because I feel bad so I just start repeating myself like yeah. We should do Friday right. Maybe Friday Friday today Friday that good in the now I'm repeating myself and then I finally have to say something to this. One guy was like. Hey are you e mailing musical. Yeah you're repeating yourself and I'm like well because you're feeling now I'm the asshole all I'm telling you the number one way to deal with somebody if their email and while they're on the phone you send them a fucking email. That's what I do now. If I'm suspicious then someone's emailing like I'll send them an email and go. Hey fucker log out. You're like are you AM I. I'm just transcribing them to read it back. I just I can hear the clicking at least be smart enough to mute the call dummy hall you into really crying and my gears. I don't like when people are just back in time. I'd only when people it just makes me think you think I'm stupid. Oh yeah they're like she's a clown she's not doing real business like this is my real business. I'm doing can can hear anything unless she says it. I might as well just bang away on the keyboard. I can hear it and also. There's no such thing as multitasking. That has been proven. It is so obvious when somebody the JIG is up. Also you're wasting your time because you're doing two things badly. Just do one thing well and you'll have a shorter day when I was your assistant. That was the first thing you you send me is. There's no such thing as multitasking and I was like as I was texting driving in his. Like I'm GonNa look that up It's not the brain has to switch back and forth. You Know Me and my neurology Balaji obsession anyway doctors to me. I'm a doctor. I did want to talk a little bit before our guest just hear phoebe is here. Yeah do you know where they're no. Yes I've met her every time. It's everyone I meet. I'll be like a Dan. Murphy's issues like Dan Hill Dan Living Wa. Where'd you meet him? I was like you and with you. I'm very jealous that you might have a life that I don't know about in one setting. I'm so jealous what's your what's your what's your last name. Had you know you think you're better than me. I don't know what is a mental memory. I have no short term memory whatsoever. Alarming so I am reading comments on the PODCAST. Thank you for everyone sending them and thank you for everyone texting me. I am reading your texts. I'm getting back to you as soon as I can. I'm getting feedback. I have to be careful with feedback. You know 'cause I get perfectionist stick in my inner bolio come out and be a little critical but Benton you were reading the comments. Yes I love it. I love it because I think there's I think there's a lot of helpful commission in their feedback like constructive. Criticism greatness criticism the most constructive criticism that we got for the PODCAST. Okay you're too shiny. New People think look Orange Texas Cherub. They said that they wanted less editing. Because they wanted to be more you and I wanted so bad to be like That's her that's pretty much what she's like. I'm GonNa give you the best version of this. I think as the show goes on and I get tighter this and more comfortable and just more concise. There will be less editing so in the people just listening you probably in the Youtube clips. There are times if something is like too boring I feel like or just like a tangent or this. This is really what I've been editing. When its flares up when you're one of my girls flares onto girds let's girds it's backward from the mind because my athlete and it growls and you're always like you amount of sounds you make with your mouth and you also banging on the table? So we're you and they said that could could you call me out for it and they call it out on on your side. Yeah some people think that you're a little mean to me you know I've been you don't even I agree with that. I don't I don't at all I think it's blasphemy. I think you're mean to me okay. Well that's alive but makes you feel better. I agree no. I think that. I think that it's interesting that anyone ever say that. They think that I mean to you because I mean look. We're we definitely have biting. We definitely rib each other. I mean that's a comedy people. We'll just forgot about comedy. Remember comedy guys when you make fun of people and say things that we're necessarily true for reaction Comedy one no one but I do think though there's such an epidemic of Bullshit fakery that when someone's just direct with someone that comes off bitchy. Oh Yeah especially yeah. People are still like. Are you make your my best when I'm just like hey you stuttered people like she's a bit also so we don't have like Nice soft voices and that's a good point. Our voices come off like they just sound my whole life but they just sound like bad. I mean what we say we look great today. You do sometimes come bitchy. I always just assume I'm being sensitive. I've been told that my home. I don't think you're trying to be Veggie and this is why we've had concentrated talk just my personality. That's what it sound like. I'm GonNa tell you. There are times though. I also think it's it's funny like you'll just be like I'll say something and you'll be okay. Okay see that would that has hurt my feelings before well because I'm not gonNA argue with you. You're enjoying but I don't think you're trying trying to be mean no high sound my voice in it stuck in perpetual puberty. It's not deep. It's not how it's what sounds like. My thing is if I'm going to be bitchy didn't you so you'll know. Yeah that's yeah then you think. Yeah because you wouldn't like I have all I was so impressed when you do the meet-and-greet after your show you were so involved with the people that were talking to you know that there's a skill like to be like the man I will not. I'm at a point in my life where I will not fake anything thing and I say anything I will not take anything at this point in my life and if someone comes to my show but to me just listening to someone making eye contact with them. I'm not like That is like so much weird. My Phillip I people write me Nice messages now and I'll be like thank you and sound an i. Just I made the mistake of saying out loud but I feel like I sound bitchy and so now they are. They'll be like they'll be like. Oh you're doing that thing where US three you say. Thank you like a bitch and I'm like that's what it's hard to think. Thank you without being seeming seeming patronizing Django. What do you might need a new word because I say thank you so much? That's what I do me too. I just now have to go. I really appreciate it. Thank you is over. Thank his out. You can't say it going. No don't do that. I think I love your show that looks like a tech. We already have too many going against us at this point but I do think that thank you has now oh hit peak sardonic you know. It's like the words genius. Have Larry those who lost their value. I think they should. We say I appreciate that. I much appreciate you coming. How would you say that I appreciate that when someone says like great saddle? I appreciate that. That doesn't feel genuine to me. Well now saying it to try to prove how genuine it is now. It's coming off shitty good set. Read think about this. You don't say bad. Thank you thank you so much. It's hard thank you. It's hard to be grateful without some of the thinking you're an asshole it's all it's so weird. Think you if you say things as he thinks thanks thank you thanks. I said something the other your day. They came off so shitty. I was in this really big meeting and this girl had gotten a promotion and I didn't WanNa say good for you because I didn't want to sound patronizing Bravo. It sounded really weird. Top of the morning. She's literally hung no great Gert. Good job like it's sounds so I she looked at me. Weird you magic. I got my dream job. Bravo that's set. It was like Bravo. Great like what like. It was like a member and dirty dancing that I carry watermelon moment. I was just like back. Bravo says that like haunted me for the rest of the day. But then good for you. That sounds patronizing like never would've done it. That's what good for. You means shocked. Yeah yeah well you did it that I'm proud of. You never thought you could accomplish this. That's impressive I say that's really impressive. That's impressive happy. Happy for you. I didn't know her. I don't know her. I wish we could send it to people. I love yourself happy for you say nothing. Yeah that's awesome awesome just to cool. That's super cool. Intense eye. Contact nodding. Don't do that now. Wow when someone gets a promotion when you say I got got promoted. I knew it I knew you would. That's such a good one. That's when you tell people it's no surprise there. Yeah also it takes the holy coming to hear about it out of it you want to look good and they want to be a guy went to the meeting and I went to the store. Okay Hey you got it got it. That's funny I knew you would say no more. That's like say no more. That's a great way to stop someone from telling you the story but also being happy for them right. This is going on too long. I'm not editing this part we we need to talk about the fact that someone left comment telling us that Marilyn Monroe's ex-husband is buried face down on top of her grave. I started a fire with Marilyn Monroe Brandt so hugh hefner's buried next Monroe and now someone has written in and said that Cajon Dimaggio is buried above her so she's getting in like a the other ex husband Goblin throttle puncher. That's where it is. Oh Oh this makes so szucs Greenland pitcher. Oh that's the one she looks great in There's little that's so interesting because I got a ton of tweets today saying that name Richard Shirt Punch. Her and I didn't understand what was happening. I thought it was a new person like entered the Democratic race is leave me out of this show. I had no idea who was that makes them so. He brought the grave plot above her even though she married a bunch of men after him. What a desperate dead guy who buried face down on her his skull? Oh you mean. He's buried if laying on her looking at her wide. You guys dead guys are so gross so Marilyn L.. Monroe has her first husband on top of her facing down and Hugh hefner buried next to her. This woman is just being gang. Banged by these old. Ask goblins uh-huh every night. I'm telling you gotta dig her up. I stand by this. This is my room. This is my mission in life is to dig up. Marilyn Monroe's Rose Bounds will adopt them. You have a yard all area them. I can set up a locker. We can have in the pod studio like we can even put her bones back together. Maybe I yeah I can do that. Promptly Eckermann Michael Glue and we can put her back together But I refused used to allow Maryland. What can we do to kick start are going to get her bones? Can you Producers meaning to kickstarter who owns someone's bones. Their family is that true so her but they're dead so her she didn't have any kids who owns Marilyn Monroe's bones. We probably would Hollywood for sure. It's definitely Oh okay. Yeah I did just at the table. Okay I'm GonNa work on that. We need to get me Mitts like you know how people insane asylum little all right so someone right in. Tell us who owns Marilyn Monroe's bowes I'm interested in purchasing them. We are going to raise money to buy Some people have fancy cars fancy jewelry. Not this guy I would like to figure out a way to acquire Marilyn Monroe's bones help us out will send you a collarbone. No you're going to get like an ear lobe. You'd think there's I don't know if she cremated file cabinet though. I mean. They're like they're like a fancy morgue. Why aren't they in the crowd? Because then you can't like album. This is dirt people WANNA go. Oh but I would imagine. Oh it's called my producers saying it's called a mausoleum but are they doing it so the people go dig her up. Maybe maybe they've been through this with people like me. Maybe not the first person to try to dig her out. Go like in watch movies at graveyard like with them I don't know that is you're in a weird red at some read it. I don't want to know anything about but okay so more to come on the bones I'm not sure how this became my brand My main what do you call it like my. What's the thing when you have your thing your your? This is your hill to die on. Because they help. I'm GONNA die on. That's exactly right phoebe Robinson's here. She's an author. She has million podcast so many white guys to Queens movies TV shooting her TV. TV show tomorrow actually. phoebe Robinson. She's here she's a treat. She's so funny and so smart and I'm actually excited about this interview because I know her really well all but we haven't known each other that long so I actually am am not nervous but also have a lot of really good questions a lot of really good questions. We've been talking about everything that's trash trash. Someone just cut us off y'all cart so I feel like we're very close strangers like I think there's this thing though when there's someone that you've known for a while or you watch their work you've really close to them and we met in kind of a weird way like you posted something on instagram. And I was just like facetime. Yeah I forced this regime no it was so great and I feel like we will not see each other for months and then we always catch up on your Tesla for about four hours. Yeah you know. We're always at your test that just being like this. Is the mother the funding we get to it though. I think that to me is the most valuable kind of friendship where you cannot connect with somebody for two months but when you see each other you go hard there yeah formalities. I mean. Remember last time when we're at the Beverly Wilshire 'cause I stayed because I'm a boozy bitch and you earn the there. Are All these ridiculously looking gene. Like old white guys like very orange skinned as it was fucking wild. I'm like why am I staying year. Stay at a Holiday Inn. It's be much less creepy. It was fucking. Yeah but no. We did sit in the car once and talk for four hours. Yes it was like. Are we going to make out was about happen. Ooh Valley's come up and they're like you guys gonNA over. He's got more to cover to cover like fifteen years of us both being in this business. Yeah yeah in like four hours. Oh my gosh. There's a lot I don't know about you and we do a little quiz on this. Show your favorite animal your favorite article of clothing clothing and your favorite body of water. People listening to the show are telling me not to help. The guest Benton gave me the feedback loud and clear and all the comments your favorite animal. Aw Not like the one that you have or have had like the one you admire the most just to give you an idea I ping honey badger yet. Don't really speak Jacob animals kind of over so this really don't and that she's wearing for those of you that are gonNA see on Youtube. She's wearing a Cheetah shirt that I actually have almost two years ago. Oh homage you whatever you want. Time's up on people telling you say we. It really is bringing me a lot of joy I mean I wanNA look. Maybe one of the nicer things anyone's ever done for me war. She's that I I. I don't look at anyone else's style but my own shadow terrail great buttoned-down I love sponsoring no because I only wear rails shorts. I mean Justin beaver bold where rails I swear to God will send me Spanos. It'd be like where's this shirt. Is it the dry cleaner or not. If I can't find one of my rails I have a Pan Am so you have four more so I have I buy duplicates. 'cause I'm so afraid I something fits and works. I buy two or three of them and then I can't find I panic screaming. We're by the way doesn't work for me. Anyway is not my decision anymore. So it's just like this weird friendship on my shirt. I don't live if there. I'm sorry you don't think of animals that much but one that you admire takes your breath away Oh you know when I was in Africa that sounded really know. You know when I was on as a fiery with some white people as you you. Yeah I was in Zambia and we saw just baby elephants just crossing the road and it was the cutest little thing that'd be following their mom around so I thought that was really case. I'll say elephant elephant. They got they struggling. They don't call me g you give me. I need three adjectives to describe an elephant. The one like Oh Regal independent Kind MHM okay. That's perfect great. Your favorite article of clothing. Obviously that shirt. This is so hard. It's Kinda hard bench. I've never done this for you. What is your favorite article? Yeah Yeah I would pick a Jean Jacket I think. Oh yeah that's good for animals will starfish. ooh That's a really good one okay. That's great they do. They're resilient their unique role. Oh they're creepiest. Shit unique. Yeah okay no I'm with you you okay. Hey glomming onto told me. I was doing the ten minutes ago literally I go. I'm calm onto you. Can you Glomma Glam Glam on our. You know what I will say. Okay so there is this Vintage shop at at the Brooklyn Flea market and they're instagram. Handle is mad good vintage oh good and they have these really super cool like one of a kind leather and denim jackets and like I really cool our work on the back and so I have two pieces from their their loved. One is like a Lenny Kravitz like black leather jacket with fringe on the sleeves. Grid Grid is very extra cannot wear walgreens and the other piece is this like oversized jacket that has ut you sort of spray painted on the back like when during the eighties or Josh retreat. And I you know I wear to the concerts as gluck and bottles all Jack and he thought it was great. So give me three adjectives to describe these jackets cool Comfortable Koerbel bad ass now. Yeah and then your favorite body of water. I picked the new river in West Virginia. A Lotta people pick oceans pools. I'm not allowed to tell you. Yeah okay 'cause I I don't know any names of bodies on my. I don't know where we if you were going to do like a watery artery vacation. What would you what body of Water Lake River worries? You're in the bathtub happening. I think I know I'm an idiot. You're dumb I'm not a big water person. I'm not a beach person. Yeah I only take bets Not About your pastor so discussing hang down my I use antibacterial soap with a loofah. And then you're just sitting as your skin flakes are just chilling. And we've talked about. It's good waking up. I'm trying to tell me the reason that we people mimic each you know when you spend a lot of time with someone you kind of start mimicking them. He said it's because he read an article the word detailing each other's dead skin cells dean. Where's your science dot Com dot net dot net eh to be fair? Though Whitney takes the fastest I've ever seen I mean she's in and out I think about did you relax. I'm super hardcore. But I know Dan Levy takes a shower after after he takes a bath. which I thought was while I've heard people a lot of I'm in the minority that I just sit down the shower? Don't I'm tired. God Single Orphan in the rain I love as I only you take baths. I have a little thing that I put on my stuff on my phone and my Luca disgusting I also stink. I also do smell myself. That's Chowder if you had a body of water it doesn't have to be in either. Oh so just like to look look at even. I think it'll be like glass of water. Would've you picked up the water in a sink. Yeah wash water all innocent picture. The kitchen saying this is yeah. I like a hot tub not to be the Bachelorette I do like a hot tub You know it's just nice and cosy. I don't know how to swim but I know how to Prune and I think it's cute. Yeah yeah so what are some adjectives. desribe cozy cozy unsanitary like for sure ever clean never no I just have a myth in my head that when waters hotta kills terms. Yeah but that's just something. I made up to justify my disgusting behavior. It's just not not sign. Okay so unsanitary relaxing and hot that lame. No not at all. That's exactly it so this is a test That Sigmund and for a developed to interview people to find out about their subconscious and they say apparently that your favorite animal is the way you view yourself. Avenue myself is ashy. I highly. What drives an all times? Lucky Sigmund independent kind re goal. Oh yeah okay yeah all right all right. I'll allow you also you also said struggling struggling which is accurate. I don't think you're struggling but I do think you work so so much that I would imagine there are times when you're have a full plate. Yes yes balancing I fill up at the buffet. It's nuts you we. We'll talk about that like we got lots of impact there. We'll put a pen in your favorite article of clothing is the way other people view. You your black leather jacket with fringe or the jacket. Vintage jacket. Cool comfortable and Badass. Is that how people see really with it. One hundred percent okay. Benton for sure sure cool off interesting about this is normally the way you perceive yourself in the way other people perceive you or slightly diff friends and usually there's some work to do in there you're really clear because like mine was your honey. Badger scrappy rough has to fight. Everybody always at war. That's so myself myself. And then other people saw me as comfortable classic. Yeah you are a class in really. Yeah oh well. That's a weird. That's a weird thing to say. No self old. No no I mean like he could fit in with any time. You know some people are like you truly only me right now. Literally Ten ten years ago this would be fucking garb. This is your window. Yeah it's closing just open and it's about to close. This is the elevator. People just ephemeral Merle. Yes that's so injuring throughout time. Oh that's right. Yeah like the movie K.. Leopold UB throughout white. Why women refused to be raised? We really have dominated every era of time correct and will not back down so that's probably true and if everybody water is the way you've used sex cozy cute hot and unsanitary unsanitary nice. No what are we doing. That's why we shower. Yeah that's the whole point of why we show our pensions doing his thing where this is how. Ah Yeah we wear makeup. You do like that. Okay I knew it but you always have my back now. Let's just point that out but you have to give someone a heads up like you. You know I know you know you just do it and you go back to your talking. I know but I think it's Great Whitney. I'm about to no do it like very high stress about to talk to me and I'm just saying I can't stop hurting yourself. You do it so aggressively yourself ullmark and it makes me uncomfortable codependent. I like to pivot hard on this show. I love this book so much actually hadn't read this when I met you. I'm glad but I didn't think I would have been a little bit scared of you. Why I don't know McRae's lady no just because I think I was just so I'm just I was just? I'm impressed and I'm glad that I met you before I was like. Oh fuck I would like a real like Dork Fan. If I had read I feel like we met each other and a good order. Something loves so much that you did and everything's trash but it's okay Is that you not only explained everything that's trash in Wi. Everyone should read it so this world just goes a little more smoothly but you mentioned some the things you do that our trash. Yeah and I don't think a lot of people understand how important at it I mean but yours are also during you know. You're kind of perfect but I. I think it's really important that people understand that if you cannot see the things you do that might be a little precarious. It's a lack of intelligence. Anyone who thinks thinks that they're flawless and everything they do. It just comes off silly. If you think you're perfect right and I'm GonNa tell us that program and the fourth step is an inventory where you take your inventory and you mid all your secrets and all all the bad things that you've done and it's a great way to release shame and it's like calling yourself out that's basic go to was when I was reading and I was like. Oh my God. That's so cool. She's kind of like doing that without even knowing. It I thought it'd be funny to go through a couple of things that I do that our trash. Okay let's hear it. You can tell me agree when I fly on a plane I take my I chewed gum and I put it in between pages of magazines. Oh that's fine. I put it on like you're sitting area then I was like what the fucked. But that's a psychopath. Yeah Yeah I put it like in the magazine. Benton seem to say that was really rude. What if I want to read the in flight brochure? Sky Mall Catalog allowed to buy an aquarium table. So you just pick up allure magazine. And you're like flipping through the sky. It's just what. Oh It's the airplanes magazine Z whatever magazines. They're off ov over the magazine. That's fine no. It's like the woman the rules in. It must stop but I want what else am I gonNA do with my swallow it. Oh I always swallow governor yes I do. Today's it's fine. I do too. Yeah and why stop doing that. I just recently stopped swollen gone. That's so weird because I think I got embarrassed one time. Actually I know this is what happened. Someone shame amy because I swallowed gums. I'm driving so it's like. Did you swallow your mom and I was like no moving calls you out on something. They don't call me out on that. Now feel stupid. I I think I got embarrassed. Just swallow it or what I do with my gum is i. If I have a water bottle I'll just stick it in the. Yeah that's a good one and then like my water tastes mentally. Yeah it does. Yeah I 'cause I never know to do because if you put it in the BARF bag that's even shittier because what if someone needs to borrow from them they can't open it you know or your chewed gum is is in there. Then they're gonNA have to double bar shouldn't they be checking the change in the mount each flight. I mean I mean. Have you flown anywhere. Lately I do a full wipe down. You know like Miami Campbell Symbol. Like that whole thing I do that. I pull the wet ones out and I wiped down. See the console everything the Bell Fly with anything thing on your face every once in a while do mass but then or I'll wear zip patches out of my apartment. Yeah I just always pat trauma boyfriends always like you know you wanNA leave with that and I was like yeah. Yeah it's called self care. Yeah so sometimes you play with ZIP patches on yeah. I'm trying to better myself. I do sit cream very aggressively on planes. I do machines that new face machine us. I do that. I'm playing so good news about the crazier you act on planes. The less is people will talk to you. It's great it's 'cause I have this. I give off the vibe that like and like crazy people really want to tell me about like their divorce and so now I realize like the noise cancelling headphones the crazy. I'll put on those wet masks on a plane all kinds of crazy shit and people like think twice. Great about digging into having like secret family with me. I don't there's something about my vibe. Were crazy people think we're friends such dumber than another thing. I do okay. I'm traveling this is such a dumb line. I hate when people do to me if I don't respond to someone. I'm sorry I've been traveling. I've just haven't been able to great but I'm sitting still for five hours. It doesn't matter you bet you're traveling so traveling is a have a toll pass to not have responded to everything absolutely even though I'm sitting in the airport for three hours just doing yeah absolutely your pre traveling traveling sitting there on your phone. That's all all the only time that I'm I'm only looking at my phone and doing absolutely but it's like you're on a plane you're like in the US gay you just want to eat your tim. Horton whatever so that Oh holds. Yeah okay that's a good excuse. 'cause I will sometimes lie said into text. Messages came through the Green. I why why do I do. That is crazy I always go. Oh I thought a row back good one. My bad thought a rollback events minute right. Yeah you just own it. Yeah fucking adult. Why not slipped your mind? You're busy. Yeah Okay I don't know why it's so hard to just let people know that. Oh yeah since phoebe. He has eight and numerous hit. PODCAST YOU WANNA throw to break since you've been doing this for so long. Yeah what what do I say. Hey guys cash out probably period period the end. Can you guys are listening to good for you. I'm Whitney coming And I'll be right back. Cash Buffy buffy betting you know that nothing's more important to me the betting because I can't sleep and I spent most of my time lying awake in my. Nothing's more important to me than buffy. So this show its earth friendly its cruelty free. Where is mine? They sent me one and put it not not my own and also already owned one. 'cause I loved it so much okay. upstairs I put it on your bed. I can't find it. 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It was like I was cold coating my so everyone everyone is doing a little bit of. ASM are on the show. I think that's yours. That's my favorite one you to Jessica all the time in the studio and recorded not up Queens. I just play. That's my favorite. And she would hate it so much. I think the problem is I hate how much I like it. Yeah I think it's more that you know what I mean. That one is oddly. Sexual all right. I didn't feel about what I What else would that sound like old man eating soup? Oh you guys are terrorizing rising me. It's enough as I like that one. Do you watch them. No I know I know they exist. I appreciate the culture. It's a big thing that ESU thing. I'm trying to get one. I like the The scratching. I just like it when people listener people whispering one girl I was watching and I found myself falling in love with her. And I don't know why whisperings the worst thing you can do for your vocal chords right. I think that's true. I actually think that's I think whatever I do in my stand up it's the worst thing this pills for now. Taunting her something. I'M GONNA call myself out on. Is That I. Why sometimes try to boss people around by pretending to be helpful? I do that too. I'm bossy it's fine but it's yeah I bet you as someone who's now in charge of the people do you find yourself worrying about other people's feelings and how do you tell me how to do something with grace and elegance. Yeah submarine is I I. I Love self-help. Some Rina's book called radical candor Yeah it's a great book is all about like being a Boston workplace and like you know just getting your mind right and making sure career employees as well and like realizing you know like the first thing I realized once I started becoming a boss. Was that like you actually work for your employees just as much as they work for. You WanNa make sure they feel appreciated and your nutri mirror drains right and you know. I think a lot of times when people don't tell Benton up to you. I think a lot of times people get into our positions. They sort of lie to themselves. That Lake people are dying to work for you. But it's like you're paying. That's why they're here. That's correct like a man is a great assistant she's here hi Don I e Oh. You're not a volunteer uh-huh oh you don't just want to be here because you care it's not just your dream to watch her dreams. Come live audio. Well you know I asked her like order. My Sweet Green Salad doesn't want to do that right. She doesn't want to order my guacamole. Greens are paying her. That's right and so I think you have to understand that lake. You're not this. Treat to be around twenty four seven. Yes you know what I mean just realize you are also a person with your own flaws in your own ups and down I oh I think it allows you to sort of put yourself in the in. I used to be an assistant so I think you can put yourself in a position of your assistant or whoever your employees Louis is what their position is. I understand what they're going through in order to work for you. I'm glad you're saying this as I'm thinking about it as sometimes when I've ask for something like that and have felt weird like God. I feel like I'm Boston. Someone around I'm her and then I'll go like well. I had to do this or when someone you know when I'm to direct with someone or not communicate of enough with someone or not clear enough with someone I'm like well. No one was clear with me. I had to figure it out and I'd eat shit and then I'm like that doesn't mean should perpetuate this cycle. I came up under under. The idea is to be better than the bosses. I've had. Yes because sometimes rationalized my own behavior. Rubbing Liguori was fucking Shitty to me and I had to take a bunch of abuse. But that's not. Yeah yeah of course correct. Yeah of course and it's also like Like anything the more. It's actually I find because I remember this. Journalists was like following me around for something secure so nice to everybody and I was. I thought it was so sort of weird comment. What's going on out there? Number one number two actually being nice to people whatever that means is kind of selfish. It's like well everyone's better at their job. Yeah if they feel respected. It's also I don't like go to work every day and go. I'm going to respect everyone because that's completely against my instinct. You know what I mean but but it's also like you get better work out of everyone. Yeah they mean to people. You're actually just hurting yourself. Hey now and I think people don't understand like what I think. A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA only be a boss. I get to tell everyone what to do. It's not what a bosses. Yeah you like. It's truly worrying about overhead. It's truly being leg checking in with each employee making sure they're feeling like you. I do feel like you're kind of like a parent in some way off and like these are like your kids and you're really just like I wanna make sure everyone's happy and good good and feeling good all the time and it's really. It's it's a little more exhausted. I thought I was going to be but I do enjoy it. I mean I think that a lot of people think if you know Being a boss means I have to boss everybody around telling them what to do all the time. If you get off on that I can't help you know you know gets your journey And but I think the the best bosses hire the best people and then leave them alone and let them do the. If you're telling someone what to do constantly all the time you've made a hiring mistake. Yes it's a it's a mismatch. Yeah and it's also so many people have so many different skills and talents off. You just get the fuck out of the way that's right and let them flourish and shine. They'll surprise is you in themselves and they can learn skills about themselves. That's right they can really do all these amazing things so it was like. Don't hinder someone so you can be like. My name is on the check check. No one cares. I also think it's really important that I thought being the boss Matt I have to know all the answers all the time. It's great it's actually the opposite. Yeah what do you you think. Yeah what do you think should happen. And then you hear else's idea and then your job is ultimately you have to make the decision. Yeah in be decisive but I realize like sometimes the boss is the person in the room talking the least yes took me so long to understand that really. Yeah yes okay. Yes took a couple of weeks. What was the whole up on this because those are secure that I think for the first time I had okay? This is the thing that I made so I have to know everything and have answers for everybody. and IT'S I. I thought my job was to do everyone's job and they're all doing here. So when you have Whitney Were you Kinda like that on the show where you were just kind of like well. It's also like a lot of pressure when it's like your show is named after you your lane and I gotta be involved. You know I was also so young and I was so scared and I was so dismore fiqh about what healthy working and looked blake. Because I didn't have mentors didn't have women to look up to. I never had sort of seen powerful women running things and my main priority back then was making sure everyone liked me and what I now know is if you want like you get them out at a reasonable time. Not You know what I mean so just be direct with them. I think most adult people don't want to beat around the bush in terms of feedback. They'd rather you just tell them what to do. So then they go home sooner. You Know I. I was so worried about hurting people's feelings for so long. No I mean I like this but I feel like you know what I like it. Yeah I do like which is like totally irresponsible. Communication totally fantasizing people that just kind of want to be told the truth booth assuming everyone was sensitive as I was or something you know and I think I also again. I thought that I had to make every decision. I didn't understand I and like oh I can delegate I can say well what do you think yeah and I can empower other people. I thought I was making their lives easier by doing their jobs and I wasn't. They were kind of just like confused and like what am I doing here. Yeah but it is. It is tough being a dream killer if you'd be like Oh no you can't do this or idea or a working on my talk show and there's something wrong I was. I was like Oh actually. Don't like any of these questions and I said until the show right incident to the right as I don't like these questions Let's do some more. And if folk kinda mean to be like. Oh I'm not loving these questions but it's also like we're only going to get to the good stuff you know. No one's kneeling it. All the time I it's you we we really joke yet to revise a bunch. So it's it's fine it's hand everyone's fine yep everyone can is an adult you know but I also think I put a lot of pressure on myself because in the beginning of any business any endeavor that you're doing any website you're starting you have to really make the target clear to be so if you are saying no. To people about things creatively creatively in the beginning. You have to tell them why you're saying no you know so that they can get better at their job. I think that's the biggest mistake I see a lot of people making by experience someone just like no and then you're like I don't know I don't even know what I'm pitching. I don't even know what the target is. You know you say in Benton I've probably been overly Liquicia in this area where I'm like. No and here's why do you think your boss and I feel like I was sometimes like overly and I never wanNA feel like. I'm micromanaging but to say like these questions on work for me because I just want to get to the root of it so then they go. Oh Great. That won't ever happen again. Most people just want to be good at their jobs. Most people feel pride you know and I think for me. I'm always trying to figure out. How can I have someone in this environment? Feel pride died when they leave every day. You know. Yeah that's great. That's I mean thinking that weighs like are you know you're good boss Joe. That was my idea. Whatever you know? And and And I I I think it's just the way you say it. I think it's just sort of like you can say no in a way that's graceful. I've started And I'm always always about sharing like tools that help how people just like you know I've been thinking about it in this doesn't work for me and here's why saying I've been thinking about. It just helps people know that you've been thoughtful about something and then you're not just like Willy Nilly like in the moment like nagging something. Yeah Yeah I've been thinking about you know have given us some top. That's how manipulative. No this House that's good. Yeah that's solid but just and here's why I think everyone can handle no as long as you tell them why. Yeah you know Okay we were talking about the trash it I was doing. Where did we land on self deprecating? He Know Hannah Gatsby really shook us the fire. Turn my world upside down. Yeah Yeah you know I think it it's situational and it's about intent. I do think that like sometimes you people self deprecate. Because you know it's is expected of you sometimes you self deprecating. Because you're like is one of the other person if like yeah. I remember myself of single for because I'm either in a relationship on my horrifically single and you know. Sometimes people aren't couples. They can like feel bad for you. You're like I'm fine but NATO AH bad she like. Let me make jokes about that. We all feel like climb fine. Yeah I've to take care of your feelings about feelings that I'm not even having. Yeah but then there's also lake self deprecating. I think a lot of times when we can do this. Because if you're accomplished or you're killing it or whatever you want sort of minimize s so that's BABINEC. You just WanNa make fun of yourself because it's like you're a fucking idiot. Yeah I'm GonNa Make Fun of yourself so I think it's okay. It's a crutch that's when it becomes like well what. How do you really feel about yourself? Yeah that's right. And if it's not truthful or if it's just to get attention of riches feels like an old habit anything when people when you self deprecating. I think you also have to think. Think about the position. The other person's in was because I'm an idiot in other words like do I have to talk you out of this now I am I. It just puts other people in if stop opt doing anything because the other person yeah has to then sit there like when I watched someone that I respect turned Meyer self deprecating. I'm just like do I have to laugh. It just puts. That's me in a weird situation but I definitely still have that habit and I think there's a fine line between having a healthy amount of self criticism and Eh at a find yourself and self help and self deprecating yes. I think it's constantly trying to figure out that line because I found for me when I was like I need to get my shit together. I've got a a lot of things I want to fix. But it was turning into like because I'm crazy and I'm like no not. WHOA WHOA hold on? Yeah I there was some you know. I was poorly parented in some areas. He is I need to repair it myself. None of this is my fault. I don't need that kind of negative self-talk and I especially like on social media. Because I mean everyone has followings now if some of of its thousand people five hundred people when you talk about yourself a certain way it number one teaches people how to talk to you and also people go like. Oh well she's an idiot then and right. Yeah Yeah Yeah I looked up to that person run funches. One Time I love him. He's so funny. I love him so much. So funny the nicest person him Dave should duke it out Steve Shit go role. I mean a lot of Dave Jason James J. Are we talking that I would want I. Though Dave random I will get started going to fund that event. No he he It's really helpful to me when and it's so interesting I I don't think he even remember this. It's so helpful when someone that you know well enough to respect them And no they're not trying to hurt your sabotage or don't have any like major like glaring like malignant nurses issues But not well enough to where they're not going to you know play into one of your patterns or something remember. When I was shooting my last special I called you for advice Oh Yeah you did and I was like why she asked me four hundred special now with those like I know she's GonNa tell me the truth and you talked about this In your book you mentioned something about one of your agents or something giving you feedback and you're like why pay him. Of course he's GonNa tell me that right right right. I think it's so important that you have your stable table of people that you ask and you know you're going to get a straight answer and you can believe them the good and the bad when they say something. Yeah so for me. It's also like in this foundation. Validation search were all on. It's like okay. This is somebody who told it to me straight when it wasn't great news and so now I can receive a compliment from them when they actually get. But I ask ask you something about I was just like. Is this a trash. Oh yeah and I think I said it was a good joke and I think I needed to hear that because I was so full of fear of getting something wrong the council culture it's very it's not nuance and it's like. It's just as bad as things before. Now it's like well. No one's perfect. Everyone's GonNa say something wrong. You're these that we are saying now. are going to be wrong into near. That's right so it is interview back. We'll get us both basically sent off to our home in the Hamptons to live in our basement. Something we're saying but it's true where p especially we doing comedy. I've only been doing eleven and a half years. You're what pretty good amount of time. Thanks for fifteen. Okay and it's you so you co- you could just feel audiences sometimes are ready to be like you said this wrong you can sense that her And it's sort of just like I understand down where you're like. Well I don't want this recorded. Yeah and then five years my cringing because I said you know that's exactly what I was going through and I think for me I don't don't want I'm happy to cut a joke. I'm happy like if it hurts. Someone's feeling I'm just like okay. It's not worth it to me. It's like you know but at the same time we can't capitulate relate to you know one person I remember when my Last special came out. There was a picture of a robot on the billboard and someone was implying I was making fun of people with prosthetic arms and Kamau for those reasons. I'm out it's ridiculous. Like what the fuck. It's not robot. I mean what what you ready to talk about boobs Benton always this company is freaking awesome. It's called third. Love uses measurements and millions of women to designed Bras all day comfort in support. I love this because they have half sizes they have have cups. They have a through I. I've never I don't think I've ever met someone who is an eye. 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You said And you were talking about self doubt and it was. I mean there was a point where you were talking about being the photo shoot and not wanting to ruffle feathers and I thought Oh. Yeah we didn't have any clothes that fit me. Yeah I want to circle back to that and then when I was told to. I'm GonNa tell you what I was told to take after the break. I'm going to start being one of those people like you know in the local news when they like who who is leading your child drinking water you'll find out after the pill. I was told to take by STYLUS. I was told told by stylists when I first moved to L. A. Does take another one to say. Oh just do one line of cocaine three days a week. Oh no one's talking about. Oh that's chill a first of all. I'm poor week. What where this is before post made? Where do I get cocaine like? What are you even talking about? But no one time at the Stylus contribution chill out of this. You seem relationship with your Scots. He has great. Yeah and she will literally 'cause I'm like at ten twelve and she's very much. We'll tell designers like this is ridiculous. You don't have her size. She will just like custom. This stylists are such a big part of. We're going to help make this change as well because Oughta people like I. I like we get samples. That's what they used to do. They would say like these are Zeros. If you don't fit them you don't get them. Yeah you know wild yes I bring my own close to sheets shoots which is crazy crazy. Yeah but it's also kind. Do you feel like since you've started. Things are changing. I mean No I here's what I do like I do. Oh my God what's shoot was this. I can't remember I should say what it was. So so my boobs magazine and They didn't have enough looks and so I was just like you know what this has been. Great I'm GonNa leave so I left. I was like if we don't have enough looks out. I was like I'm not going to do this. And so that's my new thing right like if people wanna say you're difficult or whatever let them say. But it's like if I tell you I'm a size ten and twelve and you bring me a four L. O. L.. Why am I here? I'll just pay for the IRA defense. I mean meet ads like like I think people forget it. This is a business and that is a real job. If you go ask your car to get fixed or I say I need to change four tires and they only change to like. Why is that not okay but in this business? It's like well. This is your job. Well I didn't pick this job for you. Yeah Yeah I. I was very clear not front with what was needed. That is wild and it's just also you know 'cause I think about I'm like I'm not even plus is you know what I mean and I'm just like no woman should ever feel like you're excited you're like I'm GonNa do magazine Shoots Glam you your pumped up. You're like I'm going to have these cool pictures being a feel like a goddess or whatever and they just like blatantly disrespect women in a way that like. I don't think I've ever heard a guy be like I did this. Shoot and nothing Faye. You know what I mean literally every woman I know has multiple experiences. Where like well? I couldn't fit anything but we had to do it. You know it's not and if you and this really drives me nuts. Is that when it if you can't like I'm not going to sit down the hall hall. All they son and it's like no no this. None of this is my fault. Yeah literally none of this is my fault. I used to internalize. That should all the time you did something something lazy. You were sloppy. You're participating in this size zero. You're trying to get in good with the designers. Whatever bullshit politics that goes on with that stuff? I think the same way. A lot of people aren't talking about the agents being who is setting all these meetings with these pervy producers like. I'm sorry I'm so. Sorry there I mean why is no one hogging about the same thing with a lot of this stuff is like the stylists are really at the front lines of all that stuff. Yeah I don't need to wear the clothes of designers who wouldn't want me in their clothes in the first one. Yeah they're gonNA need to wear magazine. That's right come on. I am glad this is coming up. And I like to sort of tread carefully in this area and my my big brand tagline is. We're GONNA cut this. I say after every hour cutting this. We're cutting this By I do feel like there's lots of the panels right now. Oh my God I mean I didn't I just say yes to do like three panels. Next year I love panels. You guys guys look. We'd love panels which won her. Translating actual change thing is. Where's the check at the end? Someone buying tickets for all this. You're getting money on streams and at least send the panelist video or something. They can post on social like. Where's the exchange in this? Yeah Gimme some dipped candles. That's all allies candle us. The thing is now you've been oppressed and this business has been unfair to you so now you come for free and talk about it for no money so we can look progressive like with this like weird. Yeah Weird Angle. It's it is weird and I'm starting to be a little more selective now. I'm just like it's not worth my time like. If I'M GONNA do you have to pay for my Glam. Yes yes you do it because it's like you're gonNA obviously you're good take pictures and if I were like trash. I will get roasted online. So you have to pay for Glam gotta pay for transportation self care. I hate winter leg just punch in your code and Uber Gill Sedan. That's it that's it very simple. I want us to Dan. This is I think that there is such a in every woman and every business I can relate to this sometime self care or just just basic asking for what you need. My thing is. I will be better if you provide this for me. Yeah I will be better if I'm not rushing around texting and driving. Not Not knowing where I'm going I don't know where to park. I'm GONNA be flustered. I'm going to be sweating like just help me show up for you. Yeah I'm helping you now. Just give me this little thing to make sure that I'm at my best. Yeah and it's also the thing that I want to say is like we. You agree to a panel. That's like I don't know you have to prepare for it and you do the actual thing it's like those are like five five hours. That's right that you could be working your stand up or doing an audition or something that you're going to a panel. Yes that's right you're paying for that time time. That is the one thing we cannot get back. Yeah for me. I just found it odd that there were all these. Women's empowerment women businesswomen our bosses panels. But they're not paying them. I'm like I because as you picked me for this must mean I'm empowered. Which means I'm going to have to ask you to do this and this is you pick the wrong women ask if you do a panel about empowered women? You're GONNA have some notes how we got here in the first place. I mean I think 'cause I'm kind of over social social media like I'm not posting as much healing very. It's a lot it's too much it's too much. It's like addiction. It's a tremendous amount of pressure. I just don't WanNa do Louis like I'm sick of updating people want my late I've been like if I know post about my boyfriend like did you guys break up and it's like we're living. Yes religious yes yes Have you. I haven't checked in with you. There are horrible must have happened way. People it's tricky though. I think though because when people fill in the blanks usually says more about them damn so when someone does something like that. I'm kind of like. Oh No that's where your head went. Yeah Myself I assumed I was going I'm just like he doesn't WanNa be on. Carol I don't either but that's what it is all these people right now. That people are like where does that Bill Burr so great Sebastian. So great they were is getting good for like twenty year worth spending all of their time making swipe obscene beyond yet they were just getting good and doing exactly that you know. I feel like so much I like. I got into this to be a stand up comedian but all I do is. I'm not a marketing major. I don't want I'm not good at press. I'm not particularly good at marketing. But I feel like this is all I'm doing twenty four seven. You know but I think the very very skilled comics. You could take the power back though. That's the thing is you can actually just be like I'm not gonNA I don't follow follow. Say it again a different way unclear on where you could just be like. I'm just not gonNA post on Instagram. Like I. Well sometimes go a couple of weeks without posting instagram's Great Mike Fantastic. It feels so good to just like go through my life. I farted I should do. And it's and you don't post it. I can say potty endorsement deal tag had taty any squatty partner would it feel so good to just be like. I'm just in my body trying to like I don't know it's so weird here because we grew up before all of this yes you don't own way. Were the last generation that remembers life without social media being yup. The performance of have living being living. We used to to stop play and just look around you. Just be bored get bored. Sit in the doctor's office and just like I remember. I used to count tiles on ceiling. Yeah you would just sit there now anytime you have a break. You're just looking at our brain never has any time off. I know and it's really show. I mean it's showing up obviously in a Lotta ways you know. Our ATTENTION SPAN is getting. It's terrible abysmal That's so wild I think for me he is someone. I tend to definitely outsource my self esteem sometime to that shit and I really I WANNA be open about because I think this is going to be the next big epidemic. I think we're going to look back on on social media. You know in twenty years the same way. We look back at smoking now. Can you believe people just had their phones out all the time like a dinner. I know we used so just I mean. Have you ever looked at your screen time. Yes and sometimes you're up twenty three percent and also what the fuck did I do last week. Yeah it's bad I could but I also follow fifteen different ye to fan accounts instagram. So I'd like to be to do you think there's any famous fan. That's bigger than you for you to of you to and I wouldn't bring up Youtube. No let's talk. You brought it. Ah Yeah to be fair I so I think a do vernay has seen them forty time. What and I am on number sure I've seen them nineteen so I'm trying to catch her? I'm trying desperately to catch her. This is a wild piece of black women are like Rydin harder for the Irish are we I I oh I think I did. DM Her and be. Like I gotta catch up to you like started laughing. I was just it was in a if he was gonNA magazine or whatever and they just asked her like how many times says Xenia to something like thirty or forty or something while I know but I love it. It's like my favorite thing. I don't think I've done anything forty two times I know or nineteen. Yeah it's great. I fly all over the world to see them. It's like Nada game so I don't. I don't really go to concerts. They make me anxious. I love going to concerts. But it's like like I'm not it all depends on the fan base. Yeah that is view to has a wonderful fan base. It's just like divorced ads on you. Yeah and it's really a lot of like teenagers will be there. It's really it's they just like. Run the gamut. I do remember one time. A friend of mine Got Got married and when they came out after the ceremony when they come for the first time beautiful day came on and we were all ball that song. It just makes you cry. Yeah Ah some science science to it because everyone started bawling. I'm like is this like a like a Pavlovian thing because we've heard a during better times. Aquidneck came out with more innocent days or is it just that beautiful the song. It's just one of those like iconic you really get it gives me chills down my spine when I hear it. Yeah But they're the best we should. We're going to go to concert again. You have sex to you too or no no. That's the rule. He was my boyfriend because we this is. Why never says we're cutting you know what so This was early on in our courtship when he my boyfriend away from lived in Portland I went to go visit him Because we're a long distance for like the first year and I always have a U2 t-shirt with me. I always travel with one. It's like where we're like around the apartment or whatever and we're just hanging out watching movies and We just like started having sex which is like whatever fine and then we were doing like he like flipped me overdue like doggy style and on the back of my shirt is outside of Youtube. He was like okay. Okay you gotta take that off before I enter you because I don't want to look at their four fucking moody. Ask face before good. That's good there. He was like great finally Dumbo. Do not move be quiet does so we know no on the playlist and No pictures of ut you in the bedroom. I like Mike. That's fine. I feel GONNA make him. Yeah that's that is a strong boundary. Yeah I respect B B for that. Can I call them. BB BB's Q.. Man That's a couple more things I'm GonNa get you out of here because I want to respect your time. No we have fun as a couple of things if you want in love you so much Any money advice related to talk about money on this podcast saving leaving it spending it. What's worth it? What's not women and their money? Everyone in their money Okay so I have a lot of fields and our robot this in the book. But I didn't write about about this in particular so I think a lot of times. People get very confused by people at custom public. I 'cause like you know. We get paid decently gently or whatever but then it's like okay so then went to pay aged uh-huh lawyer publicist Bob. Also it's like anytime we get paid. It's like like your maybe seeing forty percent. I think that's kind of part of the reason they pay us so much so we have to give some away. Yeah and so. I think it's sort of like I think anyone in their life. No matter how much you make you have to we you get your money up to realize campaign taxes paying rent and paying my bills this is what I actually. I'm going to get huge so then I can figure out how we're GonNa live because I think everyone lives what is it. What's the difference? Gross is the tax net is after tax. Yes yes so I think people live based on gross not net. That's so true. Yeah and then also I think my biggest thing because I you sue sixty thousand dollars of financial debts. Some that was like student loans owns and then credit cards and just like I had so much shame about it and when you talk about it and I think not they need to stop someone on the street and be like. I'm fucking broke quick. You don't need to do that but I think having conversations whether it's a friend or like people even the people that are having sex with like in a relationship financially Lee. What they're dealing? Now you know what I mean and so I think not like taking emotion out of money realizing not emotional thing and like it's just to help you live your life better yes It really makes you not spend it emotionally either. Oh Yeah Yeah. 'CAUSE I used to be like I don't feel good so I'm GonNa go to Zara And it's like I love me. Some czars are but it's also like ours are being the charger big and I was like. What's the racist jarred? I was like this could not go. Well not scared. Yeah but you know I do think that like feeling bad about money is going to affect the way that you spend it huge. Your hate fucking it. Yes such taboo about money. I think especially now instagram. Everybody's like sh showing their best life in Russia. There's a jet you can rent by the hour just to take pictures and then to pretend you're on a private plane that makes me so sad heartbreaking and it's like devastate you private plane to to wear to yoga to the people to was that where you're going i. It's just off that. What are we doing? What are we doing so I also think take responsibility for your Br? Don't Brag it's it's not helpful to your friends either. What Benton you look if I if I saw on a plane a jet they were renting but I'd be like what are the loser Sir? Yeah but you're the personnel. Follow you but you're such a loser. The private plane pictures or becoming an epidemic in a real private plane loved that all day. But if you're just on a fake private plane from me if I'm with you. Private planes are so bad for the environment. Okay I'm not sure I don't the if if I were ever to be on one. I don't think I would post about it. Because that's right I think so too And then my last thing about money I will say that like sometimes it sucks like sometimes it is you have to make a lot sacrifice IT S. I think about like when I first started out doing it. I was like horrifically broke. Probably Click the first sign of within a year. And you know so. It's being like okay. I'm not GonNa you know I'm not going to go on vacations. I'm not gonNA take taxis. I'm pack my lunch and so like I feel like because of social media and stuff people only see the good side of how everyone's crear came to be and they don't realize all the sacrifice yet and sometimes it's like that's what it takes like. I didn't go on vacation for five years. Yeah because I couldn't afford it and that's okay and so I think I want people would realize sometimes you have to like eat shit and almost posting that no. That's like taking a Selfie with their baggage. Yeah you know so. I think it's also remember a look. You're not seeing a lot of that reward. It's also fair to remember like like you just said if you're on a private plane you and post it but if I'm falling you that is your life. I can't be mad at you because that in the way that you live. You know what I'm saying. Benton you're weirdly to evolved in this area six. We disagree panels on Youtube so everyone to only found last thing about our gifts because I love giving gifts and I love. I think a lot of people are bad at giving gifts and WanNa get better at it myself included. What isn't good gift for Fiba? What's a gift for me or is there something you'd like to gift or is there? I always like to give candles. That's when ray thing if that's like my default default gift gift because I always feel candles are just a little too expensive to buy on your own but when someone gives it to you. It's like the greatest. I I to me. That's my number one received gift. Yeah just like soothe in especially you come from stressful day. And you're like I'm just GonNa like this candle in calm the fuck down. So that's great. A A handwritten note is also very nice because my my handwriting's kind of like serial killer like and not to bring bring him up by Bono. Did write me if we had quite a few notes and it's just I have them framed and it's so none of you know I mean I think it depends what it was from Henrik not just like. Why did I did special thanks? I had a custom made car done for you. Remember actually did and that was really that that was pointed. The Card meant a lot to me like a good gift giver. Just if you're very good at giving gifts he wants me me a doll a stitch-up doll. That looked like me. I think it was a Voodoo doll. I haven't made. Yeah Yeah. He had a doll made of me. That was not my favorite giving took me on tour. I got her this custom piece of art that follow follow them. I knew she and I was like like we Do you like this. I mean I guess and I was like okay. Well tickets your gift from there and I do I do like it was so funny. Well I just I think giving people gifts it's expensive if so I'd like to for people to be careful with how they spend their money but I think that a handwritten note is good not spending a lot of money. Yeah or like I'd like to spoil people. That's my thing that's it's nice. I mean that's it feels good. I think to give gifts long as you're not keeping score yes. I like giving framed photos. That's a big one linked to do gifts that highlight gifts gifts books that I like make a gifts. I love getting books that I wouldn't have known about. What was the one that you said Fearlessly handle radical radical. I can't I forget the name of the we'll post later. The gift of fear is a book. I really like to give people which I have. They're getting the love you want is a good book by Harmful Hendrix to anyone in a relationship. It's his name is Harvey. Bill Hendricks it is. That's not a choice. I mean the title even getting the I love. The name was bothering you about this clueless just leg harmful if my is my doctor walked walked into the room. And he's got operate. I'm Dr Harvey John Jakes. I'm Mike. I'm just GONNA walk it off. Yeah I'm Mercury's in retrograde. I'm a libra. Frankly short you great book. I'm sorry Harvey'll no he's me he is big on Imago. Therapy about how we're attracted to people who have the negative qualities of our primary caretakers caretakers. So when I see people repeating patterns and bad relationships who will slip up Want to give a self help book without going like you. You need right that is it is it is yeah he kinda really annoying and have lots of flaws and I can't take it anymore. Egging you to read did this but what I'll do is if I'm GONNA give books I'll give like books the same book to everyone one year so that it's not like I'm just giving you this one and they're cater to the flaws laws. I think you have like everyone's getting Michelle Obama's that's right that's right. That's such a good gift. One year this is the first ever did. It was a book by uh-huh show which he later ended up being the wild wild country. Sex Co leader that documentary garage and I had to like email. My friends Really sorry about that The documentary just out and this man ran a sex called And beavers in a blender to poison the water supply a bunch of people. I didn't watch the dove. The book though read Pitchfork. Where are we can separate the art in the artist here? There's some helpful stuff getting out. Michael Jackson CDs. I know there's is a lot of. I decided to get rid of a lot of books in my library like there was one that was like the iceman cometh. Kevin Spacey was on the cover and I was like Oh shit I know hat sting. Yeah I get it. I really loved American beauty and I can't watch it such a bummer. A lot of a lot of books and movies had to get cancelled. He's in a bug's life oh I watched it with my niece. He's one of the characters in a bug's life and he's so fuck rich good. I forget I'M GONNA look it up. He's so good in a bug's life and my nieces I'm just like yes queen. Let's watch this again. I guess this point because we can't watch movie because Kevin Spacey Likes to now you say nothing heart warming tale yet. I'm sure sure. Yes I'm just GONNA go sit in the corner and shiver but you enjoy the move. It's a great I'm never seen any red flags In France making new friends as an adult I believe people should heed. Red Flags are time is valuable and I think people Some people are vultures and take a long time to figure out that if someone comes onto strong too fast that might be a red flag. Yeah if someone like puts you on social too fast oh that's a little. I'm always a little weirded out about that. I'm always like if you always like whenever you first meet someone you're always like. Let's get a pick. Just don't get the pick. The I don't know much feels a little bit like look I'm hanging out with this person as opposed to just like you enjoy hanging. I'm actually hanging out with or how can you take a picture of me can. Yeah just met. I don't know your good work for you if someone tries to make you the personal photographer twos. There's you know not all establish the dynamic. It's a red flag if you can't be silent around someone so with Benton. I never felt like I had to perform around ten like we could just like sit in silence wants I love seeing. This is so great so hard though. If you're around someone you find yourself being like what are you reading. Liquidity doing like yacht means. Something about them is making. You feel like you're not enough for you need to entertain them or perform. I'm kind of a point where I can't be friends with people I feel like I have to entertain them or take care of them in any way. Yeah I think it's great so that's something we out so that's a big big one. I think a lot of people don't know that if you hang out with them for a couple hours and feel exhausted. Oh my God there might be something else. Go idea. Friendships is not to deplete you. It's to energize. You took me longtime learn that amen sister. You're like no no. You're such a gas to hang around. I Lo- I wish we lived in the same city. But I don't know I I think the same way EAPPEN how Long distance relationships I think are really healthy. I think when you start out in different cities you're forced to actually get to know each other and not overdose on each other and let all your neuro chemicals of my passion and less than sex can. Sometimes I don't even like you were so we we just you know Proximity is kind of why we're dating. I think that it really weeds out. That relationships have convenience but I think it's good for friendships to like when you're in town. We really were card to see each other. It's cute yeah it's really cute. Love it and I do feel like it. It's taken me a long time with people that are in the same businesses me to not feel like like I have to talk about work when I'm around them. You know that's a that's a struggle. I think sometimes yeah I guess we have to talk about all the work thing executives. You could just be fucking silly. Yeah Yeah and not talk about work all the time. I feel much pressure right now as like women and business to be like. Let's give each other the life hacks conquer this business like sometimes the best thing you can do is to just just like have authentic silly time in recharge you don't always have to be like hustling and plotting and planning and I just always feel like I want to compare notes and endless share. What I've learned you know? Yeah sometimes I mean a new friend and I'm like okay. This is the seminar. We're forming a company. You don't it always have to form a company. So what are we collaborating on. You know so. It's like always finding that balance. I I really struggle with that and then I'm kind of like every work friends real friends I put did that to myself because I felt like I only have you know. Yeah just I feel like you're more relaxed now. Now that we're on camera. I feel really relaxed to do now. The millions of people are listening. I feel super duty as soon as we walk off. maccabee actor Okay I'm seeing tomorrow. This is her. She doesn't post as much as I do. Because self respect and self esteem. Yeah but I will post her my feet. How about that so she does not have posted a love? You and maybe don't read elephants of us. I also have another book to keep your Clo- yeah there's that too fine. So many books books Tina Fey more books than Tina Fey. Books and Winnie's. Oh Wow you don't work for me. It'd be fire higher but I mean that's a choice fired. I have nothing else to say to another book. I want her number two. You don't want to do another the fucking book and I wrote the Foreword Right. The all of it you the back all of it. I can't I'm not Kano. You're so young you've got that time you seem very different from that came out. I would like to ask Fan. I would like to have a report writing. The Book Changed Me Writing The book. All of the things so funny when people come up to me and they're like Oh my God I'm going through this codependence and I have to say I'm like Oh well I'm through it like it's so that's your next book. I'm not talking to me like I'm beat it. No but I think that writing out in which is why as already said when you wrote this stuff like you're sort of mini four step in here when you right all of this stuff about yourself. It's so healing in the book. Healed so many parts of me and I'm like Oh shit. I'm not as broken as I used to be my even interesting anymore so everyone should write about yourself. That's part of why twelve step programs works so well because you're writing about all this stuff in healing all these invisible wounds but yeah I kind of like I need to go make a bunch more mistakes before I they would like to know about the good parts of your people have to remember fax. WHOA that kind of blew my mind and I almost blew past it? I never think that that is true. I never think ah that something going well as entertaining for people if you do it in a way that's not bragging you find those moments of still like I'm revealing really my flaws not just like I'm fucking nailing it syndication money like a gun right whales rails or rails all then as many good things as go on. You're still actively going through your steps and your ass things always growing your books have some of the best cover art correct. It's amazing like you see on a shell. From a mile docker Otros Mindy Tucker took both pictures. She's fantastic Delina Madden does my makeup makeup and I first WIG first. Book First. Wig is away. Both whigs are Nevada right. I think anyway okay. They update their instagram. Yes okay good there you go. The second cover looks so much like my cousin looked just like her weight. You have a black cousin. The cousins are black. My Mom's side my my aunts makes guy so okay I was like. Where's the connector? Here I was like well that that'd be like yeah. 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Interview: Phoebe Robinson of '2 Dope Queens'

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26:58 min | 1 year ago

Interview: Phoebe Robinson of '2 Dope Queens'

"Support for NPR and the following message come from Amelia Island, Florida a barrier island on the northeast coast that captivates visitors with thirteen miles of uncrowded beach championship golf, natural beauty and a historic district Amelia Island dot com slash NPR. Good. How are you? My guest. This episode is a very busy woman when we talked. She was on a promo tour for not one but two big projects. Okay. Promo for two to dopes. And what men want the tragedy movie, I'm excited? Yes. She's that is of course, the voice of Phoebe Robinson. And I am Sam Sanders. You're listening to it's been a minute from NPR recording. Because this is like great. Okay. Great. This is great. In this episode Phoebe tells me about everything she's working on which is a lot. There's acting. There's her latest book it's called everything's trash. But it's okay. There's all her podcasting stuff like her show. So many white guys on top of that one that brought her fame to queens. Of course, she hosted that show with Jessica Williams, we talk about all that in this chat as well as how Phoebe got out of debt, and what it means to be your self. All right. Let's get into it. We actually began our chat reminiscing about the last time. He and I spoke. When I interviewed you to in the election. Yes. Back in New York. It was April of two thousand sixteen and I was doing a story about how all these candidates. We're getting heckled and proactively prototypical like rush the stage at the rally. Yes. Two story with that wanted to do was like I wonder who's good at dealing with hecklers. Oh, comics, and I asked you like advice or politicians who were getting heckled. We actually have the I just don't think a president can roast somebody. I think that looks like opposite of presidential. That's the way that we talked about politics. So like before we descended into this period of. Nia anger and frustration and not and this is not a partisan. Everyone's angry. Right. Like, yeah. Trump supporters are angry Trump critics are angry, and it just like it's hard to overstate how much it's changed. It's changed so much like you can't row somebody in. That's literally what he does all day. And I'm like, yeah. L O L, but not in LL. But yeah, it really is. I think right now, we're in a very busy time where people are really sort of amped up. Which I think is good because I think you know, passivity is part of the reason why he got into the office in the first place. But I just want that energy to be turned into something that's productive. And I feel a lot of people are like my brother, he ran the midterms and he for this is his second time running river office. What for a state rep in district six in an Ohio and he won. And he flipped the district and have been read for I think like sixty years. It was the first time democrat. Yeah. And it was really cool to see him. Come from the nonprofit world and be like, okay. Yes. I and he still works nonprofit. But in addition to being state rep, but he was just sort of like, okay? I want to use my skills to help make things better. I think that's what's really important. Is that getting people who do good every day in their lives in politics? Yeah. All right. So that was the first time we talked now. I wanna talk about your book, everything is trash, but it's okay. There's just one part in the book that I love where you right? About getting out of sixty five thousand dollars of damn. Yeah. That was wild claps for you. Fake you. Yeah. That was crazy. But also common that's the thing. And that's why I wanted to write about it. Like, I was just on the phone with my one of my oldest friends. I've known since I was seventeen and you know, she was like you never told me about your money issues on the guy didn't tell anyone I was like so ashamed so embarrassed in parmi right about it was also like to have that closure moment for myself. But also just sort of be like, I think, especially with the way social media. So part of our lives like that is the highlight reel. You know, what I mean that is sort of like, yeah. Everyone's having fun vacations or has Q clothes or hanging out with like, they're best friends the runway, exactly. Exactly. Mama's backyard. Yeah. Exactly. And so it was just sort of like, I think, you know, especially with his excessive like to queens on stuff that was happening in my career. I think there was just like, oh Phoebe just sort of came. I don't know where like ended up on HBO. And it's like that's not what my journey was. And so I just want to be very open and honest about like, I have money issues. You're not alone. No one really teaches us about money. And I think us not talking about money is a way to keep people sort of flounders us. Well, I think anyone who's not wealthy. I don't wanna have kids, but I have a niece and nephew. I wanna create generational wealth. I want my legacy to be where maybe I can like preserve, you know, black art. That's all that sort of stuff were is just sort of like if you don't have money in that way, where you conserve preserve your culture and like lift others up. It just really it's so hard, and it's also like. So much of the persona. We think of when we think of comics are like, they're perpetually floundering, straggling mess. Yeah. And like so much of what you're saying is like don't be a mess. It's it's funny where you're like twenty five about deterrent thirty five on my army to. Yeah, I'm Mike have it together. You know, I put on my night cream's. Okay. Like just like I'm home every night by like eleven like just like have a together. Yeah. Yeah. What I love about the way you write about debt and overcoming your debt in the book. You say that everything changed for you and your money situation when you began to ask yourself a question, which is what am I supposed to learn from this? Yeah. And you say that it took you out of mindset of being a victim to saying, what am I going to get out of this? Yeah. I how did that come to you? Yeah. It just and I just wanna to be clear. I'm not saying anyone who's everyone who struggles financially is a victim. Yeah. I'm just saying my path. Yeah. My mentality was sort of like money is the enemy. I'm in debt because my doesn't want me succeed. I'm never going to get out of this. And it's like all right. Well, if you wake up. Day being like, you're never going to change your situation. Great you do everything to make that narrative true. And so I was just sort of like, I don't want to be struggling any more. And I want to have a health relationship with money, and like I write about in the book like pursuing comedy, which is a career where you don't I've been doing this for eleven years. I will say the first eight and a half years, I wasn't really making any money. But that was the choice I made, and that's okay to make that choice to where it was. But it's like acknowledging like, okay. Well, if you're going to take on this task of struggling the you have to own that and embrace it. And so just putting myself on a tight budget. That was part of like how I got myself out of debt was just sort of like, okay? Well, you're just only going to have in assessing these you're not going to go the movies. You're not going to close shop. You're not going to go to concerts. You're not going to go on vacations, and that sucks, but that was yeah. It worked in my first like fulltime TV writing. Job was for Portland Lia took all that money. And I put it towards my debt. So actually didn't make any money right on the show at all. So now how I think about money is. I haven't tension behind it, which I don't think I did before I think I was just sort of like, that's Oprah left. And right there. Yeah. And sort of just like if you have to put in money to invest in yourself mind, be like, oh, I wanna like help support my family or I want to eventually use it to like star production company, or our, you know, set myself up, so I can retire like just have these sorts of things that are big picture, and it just helps me sore Reconceptualise money. Yeah. That was a very long answer. Sorry. So that question, what am I supposed to learn from this? If you were asking that question to yourself about this season of your life. What would you think that answer is what am I supposed to their about his season my life? That's a great question. I think. If you could probably I've been a workaholic leg, you know, forever. Yeah. Right about that in the book. And I think what I've learned is that it's it's not everything. Like just crossing that stuff off your to do list is not the only thing that matters. It's not the most important thing. And doesn't mean I still don't have goals. It's just mean learning that I wanna have. I want to have a full life time for a break. When we come back Phoebe tells me all about working onto dope, queens, and how she and her co host. Jessica Williams began the podcast after Phoebe is work on her blog called Loria black Doria. All right BB. Barbie. This message comes from NPR sponsor linked in learning. We're all at different places in our careers. Some of us are looking for a job others are trying to get promoted manage a team or do something new wherever you're at Lincoln learning has more than thirteen thousand courses taught by industry experts to help you succeed in your own way, anytime anywhere. Visit in learning dot com slash NPR trial to get a month free and to keep learning in all the career moments that matter to you. Hey, it's money ain't a wholesome host of NPR's, let the USA the podcast that takes you inside the Latino conversation each week. We'll take you into one story that will fascinate an often surprise you. Listen to let him USA on the NPR one app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Did you ever think about quitting comedy? Yeah. I had left my day job as a cool office job. And I wrote on my friends pilot that didn't get picked up. So I didn't have a job. And like, you know, everyone around me was really sort of like getting their footing and getting hassle. Whether it's like a now, or, you know writing job or they're torn stand up, and I was like just struggling so much. I remember talking to my parents about I'm like, I think I'm gonna quit like I've been doing this twenty fourteen start six years of Mike, and I really don't have anything to show for myself and Louis gray. My parents were like LL, you're not quitting and also keep pursuing. Yeah. They were just like they're like if you really want this. You're going to have. Just keep going and the most important thing may said was nothing is supposed to happen on your time line. So you go like, oh what by the time? I'm thirty. I'm gonna have a house, and I'm gonna have a hit TV show, and I wanna have X amount of money in your checking account, and they're like, you're not entitled to that. I think it might be uniquely American thing that everything has to happen when certain timetable, and if it doesn't happen, then then you are are failing. Well, that is a very western almost American like, no one had. Here's two time as closely as we do. Yeah. You travel anywhere else in the world like times like a suggestion. You know, clean. But here were so. Yeah, it is weird. Yeah. And it's like, you know, getting on HBO thirty four it's like did I necessarily pick that age? No. But I'm not like, oh, man. I'm thirty four. No one each unlike this Akeem believe it, I'm on HBO. It's like it was a TV match. Dream. It didn't matter what age it happened. And so just taking that out of my mind, you take him out pressure off and just creating something that's good. And then people realizing that that has been Hugh. So it's not going to happen in your time lies. They'll get it. I your head now guys. And it's just not. Yes. Trust the process hydrate and get this sleep. Yeah. Podcasts. Yes, please. I mean. So like, okay from 2016. Yeah. To now. Yeah. Could you ever have imagined that the little show that you started around black Dario would end up on HBO like not just for a limited run like bringing you back. Not at all. Were you not at all? I mean, Justin. I just started. Because we were like there were so many, you know, she started to improv in LA, and I did improv in New York for like a little bit. And we're just like we're only surrounded by like, white guys and flan or whatever. And we were just sort of like, there's so many funny women where people people color that aren't on late night doing standup or cast in TV shows and think they're brilliant. So we're like we just if we're going to do a show and needs to be reflective of that at said of just booking the same people that are already getting bugs. But we just did it because it was fun. You know, she was on the daily show. I was like a struggling standup comic and writer, and so just sort of was like, oh, this is like a fun thing that we can do. We're just purely. You know, doing this because we love comedy. Yeah. And what I like about the way y'all approach diversity in comedy. Yeah. You're both very intentional about it. I have been in many places and spaces where everyone wants diversity. But no one wants to talk about it. If it magically happens. Great with it. Yeah. But what I like is how you y'all like it's not right? We're gonna fix it. Think about these things. Diversity? Bam say it, speak it. Yeah. Because I think it sounds cool to have the psalm bites likely one Diversey like that. That sounds great. But if you're not actually doing it. Then what's the point? Like the podcast was produced by all women. And then we've had female directors for both seasons of the HBO specials in. It's like it's not hard to do that. No. I don't know. If you think of these John risen spaces, I hesitate. What's like for forever comedy was like an eight person table. Yes. Seven of those seats if not eight we're like the same do. Yeah. And so saying let's mix that table up is not unfair. What was before was unfair? Yes. Our comics in the community mad about y'all's approach to diversity. Do they are they like quit harping on this stuff? Well, there's always going to be a level to that. But I do think I think special about Tito queens. I don't want to speak for Jessica. But as you know, I came into as a stand up comic doing for six years six and a half years before we started. And so it was a lot of like, well, I'm in new comics, I wanna put other new comics onto so I think people really do appreciate. That it's not just me going like, hey Janine Garoppolo like just getting like a super established comedian on because then it's like, oh, well, you're not really sharing the wealth. Like, we really try to make it especially with the HBO specials like have I think most of the comics when they're either like now releasing a debut album or they're about to come out with like a half hour special ignore Davis. But like, they're not, you know household names yet. And I feel like I'm not a household name yet. And I understand that. And I wanted support that and just and I just wanted to bring everyone with us what I loved about. What y'all did with that podcast is the way you really played with language, and I'm talking about all the briefs. Yeah. The acronym. Yeah. As beautiful thing. And y'all started doing it. I don't know if you I. But like, it's permitted the entire culture. We just really were sort of like, well, we don't sound like IRA glass. We don't selling Terry gross. Like, the only way they show was good on work is if we just sound a thousand percent like ourselves, and I do remember when the podcast I started coming on. I used to read like allow the DM's on our Facebook page, and they're quite a few people were like, oh you guys talk about race too much. Why do you guys like talk like millennials 'cause you're millennia? You say the word leg too much. I I would enjoy the show more. If he didn't say like as much just all these sort of ways were they just didn't enjoy the way that we spoke and just our just thinking. Well, this is how we talk. Yeah. As so I don't know what the hell do. Yeah. And so we just really embraced anywhere. Just were saying what they're always going to be people. We're going to feel that way. Tell me how the abbreviation thing came about. Because I love it. I guess some examples for the podcast like you'll be talking. Yeah. A word will become shortened. Yeah. I'll say like reservation is that a reservation at a restaurant. Cps Menashe's for super monogamous. I love it. And so I think, you know, just just really embrace like, you know, she's so good with an acronym. Like, we just really just sort of embrace just being silly and not taking language too seriously. Because I think there is an element of like what tire. What's low are? It's sounding a particular way. We just really wanted to be like, well, this is always als-. I think people get they get the joke behind look. I don't think people really actually think that just an I talk like that all the time. Yeah. That would be annoying that would be super annoying. Even do that. That'd be totes annoy totes annoy. Yeah. Soups and all. Why goes? It's Robson from teed up Queen, and what men want and from Brooklyn. And I hope you're enjoying my interview with the beautiful talented and amazing Sam on it's been a minute. So keeping listening. This message comes from NPR sponsor Comcast business. The pace of business is changing. That's why Comcast business is moving beyond beyond connecting to helping you with technology that provides better experiences beyond network complexity two zero touch one box world from having the nation's largest gig speed network to solutions that exceed expectations. They're helping more businesses innovate in more places. Comcast business beyond fast. Welcome to the twenty percent. Do you see Jesus in the burnt toast? Do you realize that literally there was a bucket of conduct by exit? Why is this happening? We cannot just say stop. I want to get off. Visit Bill season five. Now you from a suburb of Cleveland. Yeah. I grew up in Bedford heights, and then moved to Seoul. And if that means anything anything anyone that's listening. Yeah. But I was in the suburbs. Yeah. How was that? You know, grew up with like two parents. My brother was like, so cool. He was like the coolest guy next raid as so charming and all the teachers loved him. I was like a slacker not on point. I'm sure they like why gay be more like your brother. But I just would watch a lot of TV goes watching like Martin fluidity west wing, just like, I just love film and TV. So I would do that. And just sorta coast in it. He used to drive my parents crazy 'cause they're like you're smarter than what your grades reflected. I was just like I'm lazy. And drove them. They were like what the hell is wrong with you. Yeah. Yeah. Do they respect the lazy? Now, I think they're just happy that I'm not lazy anymore. I think when I got to college, and I could really focus on what I want to do because I had a writing major, you know, writing classes did improv, and I really just sort of like found myself and found my confidence and was just sort of like, you can't live up to your potential lake just sort of phoning it in and being like, yeah. How the potential, but whatever like that's not cool. I'm cool. That's like a waste of a life. So just like lift to your potential Oprah's master class. So like, you are doing all of these things. Now, kind of like tied to your love of comedy. When did, you know when did you like was it in childhood was in adults? When when did you say like, I'm doing the comedy route, the stay the writing this that I always wrote as a kid, but I thought it was gonna write like serious stuff. Like, I thought it was gonna write like serious Oscar winning movies. Like, I. Yeah, I can still do that. But I was like I never thought about like, I was I was comedic in like my regular everyday life. But I'd never thought that was a career path. And I was working couple office jobs that gotta film company in a friend of mine. Lindsey. Hey, girl, she wanted to take a Santa classic other. And I was like, I don't I don't get it. Like, what's the point? Like Stanford is not a career, and she's like, we'll just be a fun eight weeks vacation from your day job. And this was July. Oh eight so I was twenty three about to turn twenty four. And I took the classic Caroline's on Broadway, and I loved it. I loved it. And that's what changed my life. But like if it weren't for her. I would never got into comedy. Yeah. Never. I it's hard to even think about how to ask the question the right way. Like, all of the comics. I've been speaking with on the show. Yeah. The tell me and show me that like the. Landscape is in just like a comedy as an as an industry is in a weird place right now about Louis C K foolishness. I'm talking about me to hitting the world of comedy about the gatekeepers having to deal with these new voices like. How rampant is this environment of sexual misconduct. Like when I read about. Yeah. The bad people in that space. Yeah. Seemed like it was kinda guys are everywhere are the everywhere. I think they're everywhere. And I think experience I it's been like it's been like light harassment, which is like the fact that you I keep saying that I'm like I'm lucky 'cause it's only been like a little bit as kinda dumb. But. A. Yeah. I it it is kind of everywhere. And I think it's just sort of like will this is how it's been done. And it's cool. And you know, like if if you can handle just toughened up, and it's just sort of like, it's not about toughening up. It's about it being a safe workspace for everybody, I think because stand up comedy a particular. There is no HR molester is I can expose that comes out that really forces someone hand, it'd be like, okay, you're right. I did you know sexually harass people. Should they be an HR a union some kind of organization to it? That's not gosh. I don't I don't see a world in which comics unionized. I wish they would. But I don't see that happening. But I think it would I think it would help. And I think. Yeah. I think the diversity needs happened within in terms of gatekeepers to because if it's all just like dudes protecting each other. Then it's it's like never going to change. Yeah. What's next for you? I mean you've. No, I wish. Working on stand up stu-. I'm really excited about that. I think eventually giving myself an I just said not about timetables. But I really do want to have a production company. Okay. And like the next few years using what kind of stuff, well, I really would love to produce stand up specials. And just really like quality like TV shows in films that really represent different unique voices and people doing stuff that I'm not quipped to do. A mole is excited by people were on like, oh, you're brilliant. I could never do that. But I want to see more what you wanna do. So I really I think Tudo queens has been great for boosting my career Jessica's career. But now it's sort of like I wanna pay it forward. Yeah. Do you speak of Oprah masterclass as she called you? When you first book came, she's so cool, get your number. I don't know. I think she just you know, it's Oprah. She could just do whatever the heck she wants what did she say when? Okay, recreate that call. She just was like she said my name. And I was in my hand. I was like oh my gosh. She's house how she does an TV's. She called me feeds, and she was just think I loved your book, and I just really related to so much of it. And I was just like I was just so kind of bewildered that like she read my book out saying what it just was so crazy, but she was just so encouraging. And she's like, you know, you're a star in like, you really have a great voice and just keep like using it in like the right way and choosing the billion courage in a way that I think, you know, she certainly doesn't have to be. House one no one. It's time to hang up the phone with Oprah the she just hang up. Do you notice that like, okay? Thanks like. Yeah. It was like it was like a natural hang up like it was just cool. If he both are like having a good time. And then we like, you know, it was so great chatting. And it was just like so it was like. Perfect. It was like the perfect phone call. It was wild. Thank you. Have you signed my book on the way out? And I really appreciate you keep keep shining that, you know, I'm only shining because you know, people support me and have encouraged me so see here, of course, of course. Many thanks to be BB Robinson the whole second season of two double queens live streaming right now on HBO check that out until Friday when you'll check out us again, this will be back in your feet with our weekly wrap. All right till then thank you for listening toxin.

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"Welcome to the Bravo. Clubhouse for the podcast division of watch. What happens live with me? Andy cohen. Hey, guys, it is at -lanta housewife premier night. We've got new knee leaks. My gosh, one of my favorite Westwood up. Inside guests of all time, of course, with Phoebe Robinson from to queens. I love Phoebe. I just went backstage instead Hyder Wham backstage. I just went back and said hi to her and she is flipping about being on with Nina. She used to recap the house wise for vulture. So this is a big full circle moment. See in there. I love them those, but I'll try not to smother, and I hope one of them says we see each other. Evans. I would need any leagues and Phoebe Robinson. Under host Andy Cohen live in the rubble clubhouse ending daylight savings with two women who are so busy. It was good. There was a twenty fifth hour in the day today. I is an OG Atlanta house five who's new tagline is I am the glue for my wig and my family and on tonight's premiere. We saw her stick closely to her family with area hair out of place. Welcome back needy leagues. Say crazy successful actress podcasts during comedian per second. Book her second book is called everything's trash. But it's okay. And I'm mostly just hoping she can convince me that everything really is. Okay. Please welcome our friend and Atlanta housewives superfan. Phoebe robinson. Phoebe hit it big. She actually used to recap the Atlanta housewives of over vulture. Sitting. He was always team meaning every recap. Right. I swear they fast over at the bar say hi to ease Aaron Lim you can catch. That's sunday. Let's get started. It was very exciting. Housewives of Atlanta. Trending all night. And we had Michael Rapaport tweeting about the show. Iggy azalea Christie Teagan was watching so glad everybody's back on board. And in the game. Congratulations out to Kenya. More letter. Very exciting. It's a girl called Brooklyn. So congratulations to Kenya. And on a not. So great note. I also learned online the Porsches in the hospital. He can tell us about that. She's okay. She's she doesn't have to stay overnight. Hopefully, she'll be released tomorrow. Okay. Good. Pain. Okay. Glad she's going to be okay. Sending our love to anyone out there in the hospital. And everybody's specially. Needy. You a new gold turban interview look tonight. What? Look give you tonight. Studio fifty four just like I loved it. It was cute throwback. But also modern so. Candies daughter Riley, had some feelings about Todd and her mom having another baby led to this season's very first. Shady boot moment. Now, let's see what it is. Until I saw children. Would I? Lee is now quoted. Did you hear right? I was like, yes. I love it. Riley go very funny while we wait for your questions for knee and Phoebe years. What three things I am obsessed with tonight. I need leaks always been one of the toughest housewives around. But on tonight's premiere of the house is of Atlanta, we saw Greg's health put that strength to the tests test. Here's what take a look at this emotional clip. From tonight's episode. Greg's held this last couple of years has been alive. He was diagnosed with stage three. You never knew which in you until you at that. Don't want be cancer increases fake Lor. Thank God that he caught it when he did catch it because he could not be here. I gotta tell you. It's you didn't watch that clip. You are turning away. It'll just yeah. I know that clip. Yeah. You looked at and you're still living. And I it's it's it's surprising and shocking because Greg has always been the rock and for for a lot of the women on the show. So I mean, what a journey that you're on. I wanna talk about it's too much. No. Yeah. It's a journey. Yeah. You are you, you know, it's interesting because it's I I saw you tweeting about this recently. And you and I have talked about it. But you know, Greg is going through it, but you are too and the caregivers someone who people don't recognize also how how how has your life changed over the last few months? The day that they told us they Greg has cancer. My life changed in that moment, you know, being caretakers very hard. It's just been very difficult. I feel like that day. I lost my husband because he's he's not with me. We don't do the things that we normally do to changed our life. You know, we're not even the same bedroom. Wow. We'll second during the premiere tonight, we met Porsches, man. Dennis who is the owner of the original hot dog factory. And atlanta. Here's what every time Porsche had a chance to be Frank about her feelings for Dennis. She relished it Phoebe Anisur opinion. Take a look at this good Google limb. Here. I am completely in love as you can see as my new color because I'm going to be missing McKinley. This. Around like, where's the rain? Warshaw always goes in hard on guys that she seeing is what are you? What are you noticing about this? I mean, he's into like he's already taking her ring shopping. She knows she's like just give it to me. We don't need to do the whole like song dances. Put on the table. I'll put it on my status online. Like, you know what I mean? Is Porsche going to heavy at the top. At the beginning. I thought it was going way heavy. Yeah. When I really liked Denis ally. Do very good finally Phoebe maybe out with the new book of her own. But right now, I'm desperate for her to do some reading. So here's what Phoebe it's time for you to weigh in on your Bravo favorites with beravic. Oh, no. They didn't. Okay, phoebe. Let me ask you. What do you who? Do you predict will be the first housewife to clash with Eva? Oh, oh, that's tough. I don't know. The new housewife is going to come. Do you think this little truce between candy and portions going to last? No, okay, which new romance. Are you more excited by cynthia's or Porsches? You know, I I was in a long dissertation ships. I feel for Cynthia. But I think Porsche didn't are really cute together. Like the tattoos. He's a g but a businessman that's hot. Okay. Over to the New York housewives where you teen Bethany or team, Carol. I know you were watching I was watching. I I think I'm team Bethany. Okay. Carols characterization of the relationship with Tinsley at the reunion. It was me spin. 'cause you know, she only became friends at Tennessee to make Bethany jealous and then China back on my time for these games. You're too old for this. I'm too old for this. Stop it. Do you think window screaming Giovanni was playful or shady? Shady and awesome. I knew ringtone. Agree with remote doesn't support the other women's businesses. I mean. She's correct. But they also don't have businesses worth supporting. All right. Thank you very much. I love it Phoebe. This is major you are about to interview. Michelle obama. She's doing this huge tour, and you're one of the people that she chose to interview. Or are you nervous? Are you? I'm nervous. I want her to become my best friend. Card. I'm trying to get back Christmas. I want you ever met her before I met her recently because she's so she's elegant and tall in gorgeous. And perfect. And I'm like, please just be president. Because you're everything the Mikey's shock wants to know who your relationship changed with the most over this season to come. Changed with the most over the season. No, I feel like I don't know. I feel like it's been pretty equal the girls have been very supportive. Good. That's good. A Livy wants to know if you think it's odd that Dennis is giving Porsches such lavish gifts. No, I don't Honey. You ask him me. Please get more. Right. By the way, Marlow tweeted and said ne- you look beautiful. Aaron tweeden said neither you look amazing. Love the new hair give my love to Greg. We got a lot of tweets from people wanting to know need if you're wearing a Kim Zoll Ceac wig. Oh, okay. I never answer. I you've been working for Stacey Abrams. I know. And you you said you have to be in LA this week's voted in advance. I think Porsche is. Well, that's great. Okay. For other running for state Representative district six hashtag with the six. That's rain. Tell me what his name was provice Roberson for dot com. You can get all the info you go. Paula K wants to know when you think we're going to be getting those Sheba charade joggers. I don't know. Honey, let's go to Alfredo from Texas sale. Fredo what your question? Hey, Andy, I adore you. Thanks. I'm praying for Greg and your love. Transferred from the street to my like my Sunday. So it'd be my everyday I wanted to ask you, what do you think of abor mentioning graph difference between her career and your friend cynthia's career? What what was your reaction to Eva shading Cynthia little bit? Look. Yeah. I, you know, I'm listening. I'd attach it nothing. You don't live there. Both models models can be a little bit competitive. It's okay. It's okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's go to grace from Florida for Phoebe Robinson. Hi phoebe. A Beijing tonight, the food, you know, what top shot frugal? Thanks. What would it like swimming with? Julia Roberts, filming a pizza. Yes. Oh backstories. Her husband eighty motor was the DP on the movie, and so she become out to visit us overseas. And I didn't know how to swim. Like, I'm a horrible stereotype. But her and her family might come up with teachable. Teach. You side jumped in the water. She was holding me in her arms as I learn how to swim, and it was kind of magical. She's beautiful. What was your reaction to the whole Megan Kelly thing last week? You know, I just think at this. How do you not get it that black faces wrong? This should not be a conversation. More. Just don't do it. I was watching. I was like why people shouldn't ever even mention black face. Like just don't say the words. Exactly. Yes. Let's go to Katie from Denver, Katy what's your question for needy leaks? Andy. Hi, nedia TV. I love you any of your show. Save uni. I have a question for knee. So I was wondering if you have had any contact with teams, though, the your wife crazy for union, actually, I have actually I have told me. When my husband, and I now that you know, he had cancer Kim reached out we have a conversation, and she seemed over some gifts for Greg. That's very nice. It's really nice to hear. And then she kept following up. She kept light. Must've really medal. Really? Did. You really did. She's books like you. And so yeah, we've talked. That's really nice. I'm happy to hear that. And I'm sure you were happy to. Yeah. Phoebe genie are wants to know, what was your reaction when Trump came for your idol Oprah this year. He's ignorant as hell. She is black Jesus. Nobody comes her. Cheeses Ashi is she? Jesus. Okay. It is gave time everybody. TV used to write real outside of Atlanta recaps. But since it's been a few years, I wonder how much she's retained from the book of Lindy theology. We're gonna find out with the game called Wiki leaks. Be the ask you ne- trivia questions for every wrong answer. Nedia admonish you with some of her legendary leaks, shake, okay? So let's play. That's only if you get it wrong. Okay. So when he was fighting with suray Meany, brag, she was cashing what kind of checks, rob. Yes. Yes. What was the stage? They would she was stripping silk, satin or chiffon. Oh. Phil. Wiki leaks. What kind of contract it Cynthia wants make ni ni side friendship. Twenty seventeen million Greg dressed up as a Roach. And then exterminator with needy the Roach or the exterminator. Oh. Real channel. Remember? Barry me. Leaney what's to charade to fix that? What things body or teeth teeth? No. Two. Did he leaks has been into Broadway show Cinderella and what Chicago? Yes. Which Sigler was navy talking about when she said on the music that grade I listen to it on the ipod, John legend or Kandi Burruss. That's John legend, right? The season one reunion which housewives sat in means lap to prevent earth for making a move towards Kim. Lisa. Woo. Or does Shawn. Snow? I think it was Lisa Wu. Right. We're running out of time. But you wanna give just one? What I? Phoebe Sam L wants. No, you could go on a date with any real house husband who would it be. And why? Oh, that's I mean, I maybe Apollo is. He added jail. Yeah. Needy Wendy and wants to know how are things going with your stand up career since having to deal with the controversy of last year. I've been working working working in fact next week. I think it is you guys see me at the show and. Bb Justin, see, let's know, what housewives city would you want to be transplanted to Atlanta? Right. Hotel accrues nine six wants to know who do you feel will be the new bone collector this season? Vonk? Oh actor. Yeah. Probably Marlow Genucel e Phoebe who do you think has changed the most over the years from the Atlanta housewives, gosh, I think if I p name me like you've been through. But like you really like I just feel like just the way that you reconcile a Porsche. It was just so beautiful and touching. I feel like he really liked come so far. I love it. We do have to grow up. Yes. We do it side by Moslem today goes to Kenya. Moore who after some complications with Gregg delivered her baby girl earlier than expected this morning thirty nine AM to be exact Basel the Kenya. And Mark on their new daughter Brooklyn, Doris daily. I bet maybe daily will learn to twirl before she could even walk. So they shackle goes to anyone out there who does not vote in the midterm elections on Tuesday voting is our right as Americans gives us to the the power to determine the type of country that we wanna live in when you head to the polls in just a few days, you're voting for among other things the view of healthcare in the Gration LGBTQ rights, women's health rights, and so much more so vote, you know, voting is the second best thing, you can do alone. You know, what I'm talking to? I wanna thank needy Phoebe Aaron. We are back with Levi leaks and feely Robinson. Everything's trash. But it's okay. And find the BART's Aaron Lim from e we'll see. Red carpet. Let's go to Paula from New York. Hey, Paula what your question? Hi, everyone. My question is. In your book. You said Jon Hamm is America's number one is daddy who else is in that race. Zadie? Oh, gosh. This is really hard. Who am I into right now? I feel like LeBron James is. Zadie? Yes, he went to Cavs game. I set pretty like right behind the bench. And I was just like the. He is so jacked in. Yeah. Yeah. Zadie? Shiver like thirty your over your you can be Zadie. Forty five. Let's go to TV. Oh from Texas. Hey Octavio which question I-, Andy. How are you? Great. My question is for me. And I want to know how do you feel about your reconnection with four show? How do you feel about the renewed connection with Porsche? Fine. I mean, that's how we reconnected last year. You did you connected at the end of the season. But it, but the door was closed. Call Honey at cracked, right? Listen portion I are like sisters. We live around the corner from each other Mike her big sister. We argue argan. Okay. And I'm gonna get together. And she tell him what she want me to know. And we don't see free is. The thing that happens. It's kind of a recurring trope on the housewives. You could probably speak to this is that as much as the door is closed. Sometimes sometimes it does open right back up. And I guess you have to be open to that happening. It'd be open to it. Right. Yes. You can ask. What do you think you and Kim is that will that ever be a friendship again? Or do you think just cordial is where you guys are going to leave it? I really don't know. I really don't know. I would have to say that the ball is in camps court. Well, it seems like, but that was it seems like given where you left things I share that was a very big an honorable move. She made reaching out to you. Because Greg obviously, Greg is the guy that brings everybody together. Yeah. Kim. And I I feel like I'm very open to any. I'm not the kind of person. That's just like, I'm just not a hateful person. And I I know how to forgive and I wanna move on. So I feel like the ball is in her court because I'm very open, you know, with being cooled and drank girl Kyle. Let's go to sexy Lexi from Las Vegas. Hey sexy. Lexi. Hey, how are you? Good over you. You. I'm wonderful. Well, my question is for the both of you. And I do want to say media's truly honor to get to talk to you think. My question is everyone knows that means Queen bee of Atlanta. Who would you guys say is the Queen of housewives of New Jersey? It may be housewives of every hue. Okay. Who would you say every New Jersey's Theresa? Yeah. Beverly hills. Beverly Hills is Kyle. That could one. Yeah, let's go to Kwanda from the Bronx se quando. What's your question? Hello. Hi. Andy ninety. I wanted to know do you speak to charade? Do we think what do to Sherie do you speak to charade you ever see sharia around? Okay. Let's go to Kelly from South Carolina Kelly. What's your question? Hi. Hi. Which is lesson. Okay. I just wanted to say for me. I think that you are so honest, and you always have been you are also I think you have a huge heart, and you are. So hilarious. You're great. I just see all of these things together. Making an incredible talk show. I think you would be amazing. I agree. I agree. I agree with you. I think you'd be a great talk show host. I think would be. I mean, I'm talking Oprah would have to. I don't know. Jesus. Would you have feed as your I guess? Great idea. Thank you for that idea media, use Fokin Theresa's since the news that Joe is being deported. Now. Now, you've got. Recent IRA friends, we hang out and that kind of stuff. Did you you know, you went out with Vicky the other night in New York City last night saying how was that? What did you think of she and Steve lodge? I. I don't know. What did you think we're they love you w? They love w they were not they were not. Okay. I mean, we were at a club. Yeah. Okay. I wasn't taking her out like, okay? All right drinking myself. So Phoebe you of new episodes of to dub queens, the HBO show coming up that's going to draw. Any preview about any bookings or anything like that? No, that's okay. But you are in the new Toroshin movie want. Yeah. Dead. That's so great. I think site it's so funny. She's gorgeous. I think everyone's gonna love it. Yeah. Leading a romantic comedy. What do you say? I know you're so I mean, you've been a fan of Atlanta housewives since the beginning, you know, the women at the beginning it was a hot topic. And Atlanta, the mayor came out and said these women don't represent Atlanta. How do you feel about the show? What what do you like about the show? What what positive do you get from the show that you like, I think the women like even when you guys are like, you have your disagreements you can always have a joke and make it fun, and you guys make up, and that's what I think is important. It's not just like, I'm mad at you. I'm never talking to you. Again, you guys come back together. You realize things are bigger than like the small problem that you're having. And I think that's like not always remembered, but you guys off stuff, really. Well, what did you you'll recap her for one season or more than once? I think it was one season was a season where Cynthia impede or were having their trouble. Okay. So it was like, you know, but it was so fun to watch and just comment on it. And I the mayor is wrong. That's why he's not the Mary anymore. Do you? What do you read any of the recaps? Do you take in any of that the commentary about two are used to? And sometimes you can't help. But see comments that people are saying, but I try not to get into it too. Because if I do Honey I will push to see him. But now u s. Our say something back. Yeah. So, you know, I try not to good though. I mean, I was very fair with everyone like I wasn't trying to like roast anyone so some of them. Yeah. The do you. How do you describe this season that's about to start because it's a different kind of city field. It is a different kind of season. I feel like this is one of our best seasons ever. Because I feel that way because it's all sisterhood. And it's a big thing has to we've got all of us are in a different place. Now lies all going through something different. And we're all supporting one another and we don't have any negative Betty's in if. And if they are. The interesting thing is it is all sisterhood. But there's a lot of drama there is drama. Yeah. So the good thing about the sisterhood is we have our drama, but we all come back together. Because the things that we're going through is bigger than the drama, right? So good. That's great. I love those girls. That's great. We see each other. I wanna take. Dot com. Just three days away from the season. The outsides of jersey. Here's a look back at one of our favorite moments. That's what you. Thanks for listening to the podcast everybody. Hope you enjoyed the show. Remember, new episodes? Go live Monday through Friday at four PM eastern time. Make sure you're subscribed. Have a great rest of your night.

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Lets Grow the F**k Up. Together.

Adulting

02:46 min | 1 year ago

Lets Grow the F**k Up. Together.

"Hey, everybody. I'm Michelle Buteau. Jordan Carlos also how and we host adulting. The newest comedy podcasts from WNYC, CDS relearn, how to be adults together. Mcgahn jordan. I have been friends for very long time. And we've been through a lot together like so many bottles of Rosa, so many of rose. Hey, and you left your man bag on roof? One time I had to give it to you stepped on my foot God at one thing we've learned is that adulting. If be hard. We're all trying our best to pay taxes. Raissi's kid that ramp? Is that ramp toilet, and like wash your hands right after? And sometimes you just gotta talk about it. I have a very serious daughter. We gave her this book leaders of collar. And she goes, I've been meaning to read this. Six years old. I have a punctual who sixteen and she woke up like three in the morning when she wakes up. No. She has to p and my husband won't let me get dog diapers. So then. Just put her in the bathtub. As being there, but she ended up taking the ship. We bring up some of our favorite performers to share their stories, folks. Like Phoebe Robinson, Jim gaff, gin Daniel Brooks Bentsen Claire. And let me tell you something, Honey. They got some good stories like this one from why it's got the daily show. My car had been repossessed. I had lost my apartment, I moved in with a friend of mine the dogs, the first. Dogs. You don't you don't smell that good credit. And together, we answer questions from our live audience about some of the major issues of the day. How do you stop watching Netflix? The amount of money where request becomes petty? At what point is it weird for your mom to keep making your point? What is an acceptable amount of money to spend on pillows? If like group, there be as if you were like, in Europe, you know what I mean? Just like better cheaper right with like, really good biscuits. Maybe drove waffles. So join us for adult. Join us just like crawl the fuck up together. You know it's time.

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Carolla Classics: Harper Valley PTA Improv, Billy West as Joe Walsh, and Adam's Ex

The Adam Carolla Show

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Carolla Classics: Harper Valley PTA Improv, Billy West as Joe Walsh, and Adam's Ex

"Thanks for listening to the Adam Corolla show on podcast one. Pluto, TV it's the leading free streaming television service watch over one hundred TV channels and thousands of movies on demand all for free. No credit card needed. No sign up. Pollute TV is the easy and completely legal way to watch your favorite TV shows in hit movies. What are you waiting for never pay for TV again? Download Pluto TV for free on all of your favorite devices today. The no right now with Napa grab a five court jug of mobile one full synthetic motor oil for just twenty eight and ninety nine keeps out harmful sludge to help. The no. Reduce where on your engine, which is important if you like cars, you know, run smoothly. So keep your engine healthy with Mobil one. Now, just twenty eight ninety nine quality parts helpful people. That's Napa know how. No, generous states pricing sales precedent applicable state. Local taxes are recycling fees. Offer ends five thirty one nineteen. And welcome to Corolla classics for may four two thousand nineteen. Thank you so much for tuning in. My name's Chris locks Amman executive producer of the Adam Corolla show along with coup. Rolla archivists superfan. Giovanni everybody happy Saturday and happy Saturday to you GO for those who are just tuning in listening through the Adam Corolla shift feed. A reminder, please check out roller classics the podcast. It's a separate feed and will be releasing another show exclusively on that feed tomorrow. Also, if you'd like to submit a request, Email us classics, Adam dot com, tweet us at Chris locks mon- at Giovanni, Georgia. This first clip is a listener request from Nick, he writes, guys great job on the classics pods. Love them. There was an episode of years. Back would Philly west was on doing Joe Walsh? Singing walkaway. Killed me at the time. Thanks, yes. I'm cruel show six oh four featuring Billy west Alison Rosen, Brian Bishop from July twenty eleven it's Billy West's second appearance on the podcast. He was a great freedom guest in the morning show. Some really in depth stuff about his personal life than sobriety. Just hilarious riffing. And this is a short clip where they're talking about Joe Walsh because he did the of reading some Adams paperback of and fifty chicks as Joe Walsh. And Adam has fire up walkaway, which he loves and then Billy start singing along with. It's incredible to Larry is a great picnic. Enjoy this. Speaking of me your maverick. My paperback. Thank you out is we speak. I heard that she wanted to read a little bit of that as as a great show wall. Yeah. The only the only eagle I like who did anything in these solo department. Right. He can't do anything wrong of. I mean because of that is redemption love love this James gang stuff. But we. I don't have Allison. You know, Joe Walsh. Sounds like no we have. James gang walk way. Yeah. Away with the greatest riff ever walkaway ball. Brian just one of the great year musician house and heading not. No, the great Joe Walsh. Yeah, you're a musician. So so, yeah, I mean, we came Ohio State might stuff away. I had gone. That's what he says. He's on the radio out here. He was New York. Listen this rent. Let me sing. Yeah. Thanking? Third it up. I got the words. Turn it up our way, I doing. I know this birth the car. See on job. Three. Pretty. That's a nineteen fifty nine les, Paul. He's gotten his hand. Great that guitar worth a million dollars, really a fifty nine sunburst. Let's pause where the million bucks, and I had one of my soul two thousand. Those are because I needed the dome now I. I needed the money. Well, yeah. What year seventy Tuesday? On Ternate themes. John. Three harmonies or maybe players. My plan through corner. Watch them fire. Yeah. I get it. I did you know that one. Jane would a million bucks. George fashion room singing along with my own like comedy. So they make the sunburst they made probably I don't know six hundred of them or something about your. You're welcome. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been right. If I wasn't mistreated by women like this one. That that's the creative side Mitch four. Good vehicle for him. Doing are. You know what I do? I was Joe when I got back together with the eagles. Yeah. I'd be like and we were arguing in the recording studio. I'd be like all right engineer, queue up, dirty laundry. Got that. All right now killed smuggler's blues. I got that. Now, kill walkaway. Okay. Now shut the fuck up talking with what I would do when arguing with the eagles. That's right. The solos that he's heard it out to life in the fast lane all classics every hit was gold. Believe that made a lot of. Walsh live. Does she live? Gotta get him in with sunburst and hit a moment. I haven't all in fan west Kofi. This Colin Joe wants you to play your son than anymore stolen. Everybody who has one gets stolen. All right. You know, why know so much I had one like I said, yeah, I bought it for thousand bucks in nineteen seventy two or three and then a few years later like in seventy eight or nine I sold it for two grand. And then a couple years later, I sobered up and I moved to New York, and I was walking down guitar street. You ever see forty eighth street? Got Zam ask it's got the guitar guitar center's shops with vintage Qatar, and I'm walking by and I had a dream about the damn guitar the night before and I don't know why I was on guitar street going to work to the stern show. But I was walking by I see I swear I see the thing in a window. Like, it was sending me signals to combine and say, hi or something to go in there. And I said, hey, just curiosity. I think I used to own that guitar, and I'm just wondering like what he getting for it. And these are the guys will live for that moment here that go. Do you have like seventy five grand look at that thing. How beautiful that is? I love a piece of mechanical art. I love Philly west GO. He's so talented for those who aren't really familiar with this work. You are. The red Eminem Bugs Bunny the new versions stimpy stimpy. Yes. That eventually ran took over when the show's creator was like famously Philip j fry for futurama for all the future. I'm heads out there. Yeah. That's right. So I love and Billy west comes in hopefully will have back soon. But let's keep the clips moving. All right. So this next one also listener request. This is for Matt he writes, hey, guys, really appreciate you all laboring away, die hard, fans wax and the style. Jer doing my best to add to the show to the podcast regiment to please don't exhaust yourself too, much, my behalf. He did. Well, he wrote a lot of stuff, but he basically wants to find the show were a caller gets on and asked Adam something to the effect. Hey, if you could speak to and give advice to people that are victims of abuse victims of no parents cetera. What would you tell them? And then he writes, another huge paragraph. I'm not going to get through. Matt you want to find this clip? We think we've got you possibly so I gave up looking for because such big clues. And then I was going through looking for some classic clips, and I found this ace award nominee with color Maggie. And this may be the very speech. He's looking for you. They were really nice note. And there was some really personal stuff in there too. We really appreciate. And this may be what he actually wanted is Adam cruel show fifteen twenty Sam Jones, Majete geographic, grab Brian Bishop. This would match these in studio for February twenty fifteen it was an ace award nominee color Maggie for the third color of the show. She's a big fan and she lives in the west side of Cleveland. She describes her neighbors who are making her nervous. And she's got a killer impression of a specific neighbor gangs him to really appreciate check it out. Maggie Twenty-three Cleveland. It's going on Canea me. Let me. Yeah. What's going on mega? First of all congratulations on road. Hide. My son Dario already have it. We had at pre-ordered and angry on the way to Cleveland. Thank you so much. You so much. Yeah. You're welcome case think God took my college can't game. So I live in the west side of Cleveland right now. And I has these terrible. Neighbors that stairs, though, give you a little background about two weeks ago. Pull up, and we have a security door on the front of our building that you need a key to actually get into the building two doors doesn't gonna be like the worst reenactment ever. But so I walk up and the guys that all new third. God you hear although some chemical cooking on the stove men. I got to get up to my apartment before throws up. Now me. Is. Oh, really see birth neighborhood. My family lives in Alabama. So I'm nearly one up here. Sadly that jar keeping the chicks in the basement Cleveland Cleveland that got killed. Or base basement. Okay. At expand. They make a lot. I mean, what do I know? Could signal. It's not good that good. There's dormer. Danish ending hearings at the guy knows walking his dog anyway decked in that guy kill himself in prison. Yes. Aerial mega. No, hey, you know, that you hang your neighbors. Thankfully, I think I do not. But I've met met one of the girls we did carry okay together one night. Oh, no. Wow. One of the survivors. And the guy out on furlough to carry was this before after this covered them because that'd be very awkward if you did it before I was never formally twenty three's. So before was like what ten years ago that I was enough to get. I'm gonna make guesses guess the song. She didn't do walking on sunshine would probably be the top of my list. Xanadu might to princes was probably not song. What's wrong? Did she do do you? Remember? But she do I did parv DC boys. And then she went up and did intergalactic. And then she's in third guest. We should I rather be people. So he was really really good moments. Good bonding experience. Let me get this straight first off. We can all agree that the monster. Who is keeping the gals in the basement is a sex life who killed himself in prison year ago. That's a good thing. Because we don't have to hear Gina grads news that he's got a calendar. Coming out more that he's been offered a lucrative book deal or that there's been some marriage proposals. And he's accepted one of them or the trial is coming up, and he's going to go up there and say that one of the chicks was asking for it. It's just it's just done. He's a monster. Yeah. And now he's gone, and we don't even really think about him anymore. Right. I remember his name. When he hung himself or hanged himself. I can remember I should be hung. But it's yes when he hanged himself. I don't even remember when that was that's good news. That's the Tim McVeigh way Meghan. You still see this girl out karaoke? As she was that a lot actually would sad is when she was up and the poor nutrition, really like stunted our growth. So she kind of like she kind of he isn't amid. But she probably about four ten I would say, she super sweet super cute. Yeah. I mean, she and she she has a lot of fan that she does that all the time. So it's good to see them out in about inviter when it come out next play the comedy cellar. Yeah. Well, we would love to come to Cleveland. We are dying over here. Dynevor chained up at a base. All right. Well, the good news is plenty of stand up in in Rhode heart. So you'll get to see some that's good. That's good. Mangrove? I keep us energy Lubar self up with some angry of first and then watch rode hard, and even this horrible. It won't be the worst thing. That's happened. No, I'm not saying we love the hammer. So very great. We'll laughter's the best medicine. It's certainly is. Yes, methods of sorry. What was going on the Jews were cooking garage? Yeah. The what the guys again. And you again, I do. Terrible. Me. Thank god. You hear? I've got some chemicals cooking on the stove, man. I'm out to get up to my apartment before they explode, not not gonna say the race of this, man. But I'm not gonna say to he's you know, we did it. Now think they here. Here's my advice that you want to know the best way to deal with unruly neighbors. There's no way to deal in my vast experience with the unruly. I've had many conversations with many of the unruly. I was born and bred with unruly people. And I've had many sort of voice of sober voice of reason with these guys and they ended up never ever listening. And by the way, the unruly start listening fief you here's after their incarcerated or. They lost the friend in van fire or the prostate is blown up like it some point when the salt and pepper starts coming in around the temples. Then they'll listen. They don't listen when they're twenty seven I've had many many conversations with the unruly and also feel like she's under selling the neighbors. It's not like they're doing p ninety x two thousand stomping on the floor. They're crackheads. They're going to split the building. You said there were making chemicals on the stove that could have been a roof or there's a lot of chemical. So. So. So so let's say my vice to everybody who has the unruly ordained. Neighbors move the fuck out just move out. And now the problem woman stares who I think is like the drug more yelled at her. You'll what does she sound like? I can hear them like verbatim. You're my walls, and I can hear them having sex to it's very disturbing. But he's going to high like all you call. So I know you had the running these streets, and you take and you sound on you keeping your money. And I'm like, oh my God. He's gonna come up here and the broiler like she's like this woman screaming at these cuddly young men who are you know, running. I want to do something if you can track down your biological, dad. Kick them in the nuts. All right. Well, part of Florida's heaven. But what part of Florida's biological dad living in? Sitting he lives in Naples. Attention for that, very nice. Wow. Lucky with my guesses one in fifty chance of nailing the state. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. The last time you guys hung out. And I when I was seven. Wow. She can't judge. Hey, listen as the good folks at huff PO would point out to me, they're plenty of examples of young women who are neglected by dance and having seen them in fifteen years and live in Florida who've turned out just fine. True. Okay. What they just album solved. Okay. You've shown me example, where turned out right? You show me. The one example where the chick went to Stanford. And I show you the ten million examples where the went to skid row, but you wanna keep talking about the one example where the chick needs to move good. So that's a good way to pro. Yeah. The problems of life. It'd be approached that way the single, okay. That's good example. That's great barina mega say after Clinton. You should move out. You move out. Are you having issues with dudes? Yeah. I i'm. Yeah. Datings not that could've thing for England. Yeah. Again that. And now do you have any contact at all with him? Last. I heard he was I don't wanna get after that. She's actually very sick. And now he's trying to reach out, and I didn't touch with me. And it's never good. When that starts out with last. I heard a Maggie. Don't forgive him. Don't tell him. It's okay. He can pass. He can pass away peacefully now tell him he made his fucking bed. Now, it can shit in it when he loses control of his balance from whatever horrible disease is rightfully eating his body. Okay. I every day that I needed somebody that need any closure with guy. You never had a fucking opening with this fucking thing were, hey, we need closure with who the guy. I don't know. Fuck him. He's dead. Hopefully you and he'll be dead to us soon. And then the world will be a little bit better place marginally but a little bit little bit a little bit better time in Naples. I. Looking for a new bench is going to be a very successful life. I really picked this guy to college in December. So I'm looking forward to it. I think but move out of that apartment cook, everyone makes such a fucking big deal about the closure and this and that and the other look this guy doesn't deserve your fucking time. I have a I have a daughter, and she's one year older than Maggie was the last time she saw this guy or her her biological. I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine that. I mean, I I thought about it. It'd be nice Florida younger chick. Couldn't match the psychological toll. It would it would take upon her had a beautiful sort of heart to heart with her the other day, and she is a single tier sort of sort of thing. I I was telling Dr drew about it. But I don't think I was telling you guys about it leave a member she wanted to have her ears pierced, and I was explaining to her that I know you're going to get your ears pierced. And I know the aesthetic thing is going to be a big part of your life. And I don't I can't help it. But I don't want it to be. I don't I know it's going to be a part. Let's not make it a big part. And she was just sitting on the end of the bed, and she was just standing there. Just just looking at me. And I said, you got great. Stuff going on your fucking firecracker. She's strong. She's dynamics got great bounds. She's got this. Great physicality. She's smart. She's she's she really excels at things. And I said I want you to be the person that's the doctor the lawyer, the whatever that we're focused. Don't get mired in the physical part. Yes, you're going to get some you'll get your ears peers, and you're going to brush your hair and put on a little makeup before you leave the house, but let's not make it your life and she's attractive, and she's going to be an attractive woman. And I don't and I said you're going to get steered in that direction. I don't want that for you. It's fine. Spend a half hour before you leave the house, but don't spend two hours before you leave the house. We are not going to scape it. It's all over us. It's every Princess movie and everything in society, but you're dynamic and she said what's dynamic. Wow, you're strong and your interesting, and you're smart, and you can go out and do so much more. I just don't want this to be. And she was just standing in front of me. And she said one tier just go down her left cheap. It's real crazy moment I have there. But I catch off. Another catch off. You got to her clearly, I hope the one tier meant. She felt what I felt in new what I just meant. He's saying, no. Code. I went airing my left in that eight minutes with Maggie. It sounds like you're more of a father figure to her than her biological father guys getting fuck themselves. I used to kind of be a little more accepting of it. But once you have kids, no fucking way. No fucking way. These guys don't they don't by the way, their past like, well, he didn't know his fuck. You the cycle. Okay. Good. What if it's Dan was an arsonist fine. Limbs burn down the fucking house. I know non excuse he should know that much better the pain of growing up without apparent. All right. We will take our selves break rotten tomatoes, by the way, Ron commandos dot com. Is where you go go there. Check out the movies checkout. Critics of the top critic and the website again, rotten tomatoes dot com. The website and the game that an only found here, my friend. I love that. Also, what about where do you want people to go the TV show where the podcast also for those people that are in Los Angeles. We will be at Long Beach con- this weekend. Doing our panel called your opinion socks critics versus fan Superfund fans line up. There argue with critics they talk about a movie that they love for a minute. And a critic tells them they're stupid. It's also your loved boyhood. Right. I did not love. Boy. I'll good you're you're you're back in the realm of intelligent, no. I didn't like who he became. And I didn't like the movie I just thought look as I said the brine remove the hook part, and maybe can't but remove the super interesting part. I guess where you spent twelve years making a movie and just look at it as a movie boring. And I mean, it came either it's interesting watching someone literally grow up on in front of you. That's kind of thing. Yeah. It's interesting like watching something. Yeah. Yeah. But the kid turn out to be a piece of shit. Right. Was just like, I don't know. Lashes better much better. All right. Take quick break. Right back. Quick break. Talk about Pluto TV. That's right. It's the leading free streaming television service. You can watch over hundred TV channels in thousands of movies on demand all completely free. Pluto TV never ask for credit card. You don't even need to sign up to watch free. Just go Pluto TV's the easy and completely legal way to watch favorite TV shows and hit movies for free. So what are you waiting for never pay for TV again by downloading klew TV and you could download Pluto TV for free on all of your favorite devices today, including your phone, Roku. Amazon fire TV apple TV smart TVs, PlayStation and anywhere else. You stream Pluto TV check it out. We're back Chris geo here with some more Corolla. Classic clips for you. This next one is one that goes down as the hardest. I've laughed during the show, and it's all because of one man, Mike Dawson. W is up. So three can hear the entire staff laughing inside the booth. It's my favorite when you hear the last reverberating off the glass, especially Gary's laugh epic. This is Admiral show eight ninety five featuring Dave hill. Suzanne Allison rose and Brian Bishop. It's the opening segment were Adam shares grievances regarding Harper valley PTA and then later with Dave hill and Allison bus out her guitar trading impression to choice clips edited together like many best of. Yeah. A lot of people asking for Elson guitar pression. They loved that drop. Enjoy. We re Rupe? You know, how everything in mostly little things, and especially unnecessary things bother me. Yes. I'd heard the Harper valley PTA song a million times. I got on my phone, and it's just a funny novelty song, and it was done in the early seventies. And it's done about it supposed to be a true story. And it's about that. She singing it. It's the daughter and the daughter went home can find me the date Vimy anything on the song. Police the daughter went home, and she was in trouble at school because she was wearing a miniskirt or something Trollop, and right and her mom when in oh, sixty eight and her mom went in and instead of like apologizing or saying my daughter where longer skirt or whatever it is when in socked it to the Harper valley PTA Keaton did that. Family really socked it with her fist. Or with words. Lease Keaton punch someone more powerful with words. I wanna tell you. Well, the stove bad group banned it went. Things a self employed. Who had a teenage daughter who attended hopper. You. The household name, Jeannie c Riley. Stop. And he said momma, God, no here from the offer valid data some reason like came years later they signed to make a TV series out of it. Way too. I guess they're talking about her. It's boarded to end the runnin round with men and go and. Genius Sherwood Schwartz. Did the the show? Bring enough your little found of creativity. I can't believe he's using a ten year old country at so many original ideas, you know, like like the Globetrotters flying robots on Gilligan's island. And they were just apprised Johnson more her miniskirt into the car. Yeah. So she's going to show them. The blackboard I can still recall she had to say. And she said I'd like to dress this meeting on the upper band a. All right now, here's where I start to have a prom. Listen to the names. And seven. Got taylor. And mid this tighter. Sure seems to use whenever he the Taylor family was on me. Well. He had to leave this place. Rugby tickets up pretty good. When Jones be filled he when the shade up lately, we've got Jones Taylor in Baker. Now, listen. The his belly. Now, you gotta stop it. Mr harper. Your sock into the Harper valley. PTA are you Plum out of names? Are you out of fake names? They don't rhyme anything with Harper. Now. Taylor Baker Jones and Harper at the Harper valley PTA, what do they do sit around and write this and go I'm just out of last names. I'm thinking she got it wrong in the singing and refused. Another take. On the brain Harper. Yeah. No, right. That visually Schlossberg. Mrs Fagin bomb, but seriously, you okay, you have a song that takes place in Harper valley. Harper is a last name a fairly popular last name. But there's also several thousand other fairly popular last name from which to choose from. And you can't pull one more out of your ass. You get Taylor and Baker and Jones. His valley. Little. And we're talking with. You'd think mother not. That fits just Peyton place, and you're banning grit. All right. The point is is not a human being that recording session. You can turn it down. There's not a recording session. It goes perhaps we should just call mister Johnson Jackson or something. What do we got here? Taylor Baker Jones Thomson. We got but I feel like between the eight of us. We could come up with a fifth name Taylor. No Taylor's on the Jones. No Jones is on. We got to come up with Baker. How about no that's hold on a second your name names that we already have we have to come up with another name, but it doesn't have to rhyme with anything. So it's easy. You. You. What's your last name Baker? Oh shit. How about valley? Oh god. On the name out. Fuck. What's your last name wasn't given one? Oh, you're in your Baker. Yeah. Fuck holon. Let's engineer, Stu. What's your last name? Carl. Oh, you said last name, I said, Stu. Due carl. What's your last name Hendershot? Still hold on. Get the other engineer on Carl Carl get on here. Dude. What's your last name? Thompson. God damnit. This has been a wonderful reenactment. You didn't know where I was heading there. Now, I'm really good at him. No. No. Toss your ass right out of fucking growling. Goodbye hendershot. Carl Hendershot just thought it was the name that wouldn't work. Wasn't that wasn't that that? What point is that could come up with name to go with Harper Jesus? Greis Harper then make the song something other valley. Oh. Harper in the song as a good point. That's a good point Sheila what valley did you grow up in? Baker Jones Jones are Baker Thompson valley. It's one of those. It's one of the common names in this town. I think has to be hard for some reason. But anyway, it bothered me by the shit out of me. And I'm still bothered. And now, I want answers I wanna answer. So Brian you would say that it was not written as Harper. That's my guess she was just doing it. And if if it was written somebody would have seen it went now, it's the same name as he owned the valley wide lackey theories that she's in the moment is a singer Harper valley PTA on the brain. She said Mr Harbour Bush say Mr. Johnson and tried to take refused. I don't know. All right. All right and would have been kissed Alison there. I like Brian's idea. I don't think that's what happened that seems to far fetched. That they're just a bunch of tards or Harper valley hypocrites. Just a little painting. Kelly's bar that name. A little. Very possible. Mr. Harper was like just the rich guy in town in the school is named after the valley the school. Everything's named after him purvey related though, he hangs out of Calamar. But that's maybe she's trying to make even the guy who the schools named after spent too long at the bar. So we can't be here today could very well. Be. All right. Thanks for the two shits my point. You just one do. All right. We're the hell where we comedian Dave hill is here banned. The lodge. Actually, I hope I got the name. Right. So maybe he'll have some insight into this. Yes. Valley lodge hill would have been an easy name. That's easy. Just one syllable very popular. There you go. Spring break. We'll bring David we'll do news day. Check out some of the other shows on Corolla digital that. Adam cruel dot com. Available now from Corolla digital basic cable commentary showgirls with special guest, Hugh Hauser while thank you, Adam. I'm very excited to see a movie about some girls who put on a show, listen while Adam and Dana Gould as Hugh Hauser watched the nineteen ninety four classic showgirls. Yeah. You missed a very Radic seen the movie now. Well, there's a black man on us laugh at she. Kissing deeply. I've got the dry. He just down the track and playing along with your copy of the movie only a dollar ninety nine on items or at the store at Adam Corolla dot com. Well, we spat. Dave hill in studio. Dave good to see things for having me the book. Tasteful nudes is available as we speak look yonder and Amazon, and hey, if you're going to Anson round, curl dot com by Dave's book and click on through the Amazon banner. Dave also as a podcast hills a podcast incident. That's available on I tunes as well. And the website Dave hill on line dot com. Let's talk you guys. You're a frequent contribute contributor to American life, which I love this American life. Thank you. What's not to like about that? You know what? I mean. It's it's a great program. Yeah. It's so it's so simple. But it shows that I think we're wired like no matter how much we crave things exploding and people getting stabbed and video gains where you're taking people's heads off swords. Yeah. Something just about the theater the mind with the stories that are told is somehow better. Yeah. Yeah. It's a journey. And then you end up at the end and you're like, oh, yeah. That was pretty cool IRA glass, by the way, it's coming in this Wednesday. By the way, and he's not Warren Sapp, right? That's different dude. Because we have Warren Sapp coming up. But if those type over something that's different guy comes not to same sounds different. How many Pro Bowl years IRA have over Tampa Bay? Or is that a different different different thousand rebuilding year for rebuilding. Yeah. That's it is totally where he's he's coming in next week. Yeah. Saps common. I mean. Established coming in next week. Yeah. He's out of control. God I was on stage for that guy and Caroline's, and it's the only time I've actually been frightened onstage. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's fucking out of hand cannon keep his pants on literature because he's drunk, and he's hung black rhino and his scattered Dingle. Dangle you could skip rope with I met he'll be the first one to tell, you know, not just I'm talking double duck. Not just your basic not last night. But the night before pure young black, double dot cradle with it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you introduced me to his wife, and there's a moment when we're backstage at Carolina, and he just went in the bathroom to start destroying it live here porcelain being broken. I mean, just took a fuck. It's a sledgehammer did such hammer for right hand. And he just start tearing the place up like a rock band. Yeah. And I just turned her. And I said, I'm so sorry. Yeah. I mean, I think she's live. Ving a nightmare. Man. All you can obviously try to stay on his good side. Yeah. And he comes home drunk. You just you just pull this covers over your head. That you watch you sleep in the bathtub in the bathroom fucking guys out of control. That's I mean. Yeah. All those public radio garrison Keeler. Yeah. Oh, Terry gross. She needs to be fifty one fifty fucking into. She's she's out of control. Speen balls. I she comes in here. I get I get a fucking tasers pepper spray has she been here that she's not. No, she's not well too. Welcome here. Heard on the news heard enough stories. I she gets transported cannibal electic week to her through Lexcen. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? And even then you don't feel safe. You know, when you're in in Utah or Detroit, it's hard explain to people about four million dollar fixer uppers. But Yep, they do not. I mean, the even just the grout work alone on that place was like two hundred grand. I think at least during a grant worth spun trailing special kind of grout or just the way at the plus, and okay, here's the thing. You might not know about Dave how he's not just your average comedian author who also plays in a band. He's super-duper good at guitar. Oh. I'm I'm pretty rarely that sound like shit. That. But the good version ever the good version. Let's can we find some of you. You know, I wanted to video you, you know addressing. Yeah. Shredding say name of them or something someone can probably pull it up. Yeah. There's a few could are you doing your own thing or hopefully covering hocus-pocus by focus that what we do. Like a lot of Lanta rhythm rhythm sex. Oh, no. No. I'm so into you. I don't know what what I thought. Well, listen, if you can think of Felicia, Rashad, you can think of anything women not things are decent Foin. Yeah. So you did you did not get laid in high school. But then got a ton of pushing college because there needs to be a point when you're not getting laid you can learn to play the guitar, really. Well, and then a police a place where there's an avalanche pussy later on once you learn would say the avalanche was even after college college, you're still still still honing your craft and now. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think as frayed too. I mean by the time I was twenty I decided this is going horribly. I will never even try to kiss girl. Again, I'm gonna wait until she. And so it's it's actually worked out. How'd you struck out fantastically or something? No, all it took is one girl that had already kissed and then we're like talking for a really long still friends with her. I feel like you could have sex with Moby and not be gay. That would just be volved. You know, what I mean like people go like you go fence about this one. We'll like someone say like a man, I was fucking this do the other night. And like what it was Moby they'd go. Oh, yeah. Was he spending anything or? Fuller. Where was that? All right. So we're back, and as I said layers and love Dave hill to very very funny. Comedian now we also have another front comedian. This is Phoebe Robinson in the next clip jail. She is from two dope queens, and she's dope point. She's she's one of the singular, dope queens. She came on in two thousand sixteen. Came on debut appearance. The talk about her journey to queens, an Adam segues into the story of his ex-girlfriend in nineteen Ninety-four who came to stay with them after the Northridge earthquake and how mom came to town red issues forces stay with him and his roommates right as some other interesting developments occurred on his face. Check it out. Phoebe robinson. Good to see. Thanks for coming in. I'm doing. Well. I was watching you doing stand up on. Oh. With my Marsh. Nice. Very nice job. Phoebe does stand up Phoebe writes books. Phoebe does a podcast. What does Phoebe not do the by? By the way, the book, you can't touch my hair available now, Amazon you can click through our website that would be nice for us. Also book Marcus podcast to dope. Queens, New episodes every week on items, and you're with Jessica Williams who formerly the daily show. So tell us man, how does how does this all get going for you? I started doing comedy like eight years ago. And I'm bayside New York. I'm originally from Cleveland. So I moved to New York because I was going to work in film and right important movies. Like, I was like I'm gonna write my American Beauty. But like a dumb trash back flowing the win like I was very self important and then eight years ago, a friend of mine wanted take a Santa classic airlines the night just did it. And I ended up loving it really change. Everything for me. They so Caroline's has a stand up cla-. Yes. Those eight week class, and I just wrote my jokes, and I just kept doing it. And it was started doing open my ex had a day job and was making no money and drinking too much. And yeah, that's the way. I know. Right. That's all you need to do. Yeah. I never really thought. You know? It's funny because everyone I went to the groundlings and then later on acme theater. And then everyone does second city and improv Olympics, and blah, blah, blah. So that's pretty much understands that if you wanna do sketch or improv or whatever you go, learn classes, but stand up I know there's classes, but no no comedian ever talks about taking stand of it's like no model ever went to modeling school. Jim gaffe, again, I think he took some classes like years ago years years years ago. But yeah, up being you really just learn how to stand on stage. All total sense, you rarely hear I maybe it's not romantic maybe just going to say Antic notion is working on your time on the board on stage working Mike night's bomb do badly, then I think that's the romantic notion when the most practical is like taking class, you'll get pretty far had the beginning stages. Pretty fast. Yeah. They don't have the same thing with like aviation. For thought it'd be a good pilot. So one of them dared me to steal. After work and went to the airport a few cold ones, and they're gonna fly. He made me flat to meet again that says. Or the version where your mom when you're fourteen have to drive you into the airport. Let you fly the Cessnas. Becker, do it. Yeah. There's a weird. I think there's a thing where comedians I will say this about models. No. When you know, how'd you get into modeling their turn fourteen? I realize I've smoked and so I went to Europe making money. No comedians have to do that. My friends pushed me up everyone thought I work with you know, thought I was funny. But if you go I took a class, then it means you went, oh, I like this. I thought it was funny. I wanted to class I did my friend wanting to take and it was like. This is the model. I was like I never really watched end up growing up never really thought it was a job. But she was like, you hate your life. Just take this class. If you hate this class, whatever. And so that's how I guy in the stand up. It was very begrudgingly that I did in your friend make anything of herself. Yeah. She doesn't do Santa Fe more. But she she writes and stuff so yes, she lives in. Yes. There's no way are so for you. What is the the process like kit up work it out go to talked comedians? It's like they I remember once a comedian went like, oh my God. I haven't performed forever. It's been like six days or something since they did a set. But in that world that that's part of the schedule. Right. When I started out. So I started doing stand up July of eight and then I got laid off from my job in October of oh eight. So I just was doing open mic sim bringer shows every night and living off my severance which didn't last and I was desperately broke by. Time. I got another job again. And I'm never going to be the person wants to do for shows in the night. That's just not how I operate that. Just feels excessive for someone like me. So like to mix it up I like riding Bogues, and like you do acting stuff and doing podcasts stuff with Jessica for WNYC. And so I really just kinda mix renaissance woman. Yeah. Yeah. One of my empire moment. Black lady empire Queen. Yeah. Very white. But I liked it felt really felt very podcast you'd have like a white guy intro. Tito, queens. Ladies really lay down like it is who's tween to dope queens, dope Queen. Yeah. For me talking. Listen, nothing is as good as God. I swear to God. I don't think we can find it these as our maybe we'll get. Maybe we'll get the guy found the Billy Bush tape on this. But there's a great crate are watching TV and like nineteen eighty seven or something. And it was the two live crew Brian the story, but I don't whatever's nasty as they wanna be whatever. And when they were getting arrested somebody thing, I eighty five eighty eight somewhere later something anytime later eighties. Whatever was and it was like it was like, Dan rather on the evening news. And he was like an in Dade County two live crew were arrested there the band that made the popular song me so horny. Queen. I love that. The kindred spirit popular controversial Rambam half to say me so horny to dope into into the microphone. But all right. So Phoebe the book that is out as we speak. The how dates I dunno where do we go? We want to see you do stand up dates or. Yeah. The book tour, so I was going to stand up dates, but then make conflicted with some TV stuff that I'm doing say, cancel all that. And I'm just doing book tour dates for the rest of the month. He c- means Jato, Portland, massive, Wisconsin. I'll be triple in that black operation real quick DC Cleveland, which is where I'm from. So be that'll be nice. Yeah. But I'm really excited about the book tour. We'll be great. What what were you doing that? You got laid off from. I was working. I was in. I was an assistant at a indie film company. So I was just getting coffee and doing expense reports really not glamorous at all. And I was like I hate this. This is awful. Boy, when you think indie film company think locked in for life in terms of employment. The indie film conference. Wow. Clinic safest career bets ever do. Find out that it's mostly just work. Right. Glamorous independent film stuff. It's just a bunch of transcribing stuff office office worker office. Yeah. Getting people coughing. You're like, I am fifty thousand dollars in debt, and I'm getting someone coffee feel good. My question. I was gonna say New York's tough place to have no job, no income laid off especially in late two thousand eight. How did you get by? So I had a severance, and I was like, I'm so rich. So I literally fucking went to like west elm and CB to just bought a bunch of furniture for my apartment, and I was like, well, I'll get a job next week. It took me almost a year to get a full time job. So I was just doing temp stuff for like I was working to makeup store just packing eye shadow for fashion week. And no one was eating. I would bring in Mike my win. Indies a fucking garbage monster and this mel's grading like we don't eat here. We all wear black. It was just very much eat that. It's we don't eat. Yeah. I never saw anyone eat ever there. And I was like how are you guys? Not. So yet, I was doing just odd jobs like that the same thing on that six hour flight when we're flying. Anyone anything either? Blue Civis stupid chips. The patera chips are good. Don't hate the territory. I hate the hate they gave us veggie chips. And I think like I don't want yams and beats is chips. I mean, I can eat them. But we do have something called potato chip broken. Yeah. Everyone likes them, especially what to me is fifteen in the morning. Right. Now, all all I'll blow you for some barbecued lays right now right now doesn't like barbecue chips. Can we get some barbecue? I like when the barbecue chip says the barbecue sauce, they used I don't care. He minutes journey like oh, look at me. I got stuff I can buy for three ninety nine and a half down. But now it's in the bag dusting of it as on here. Fucking love barbecue chips. I wish there's no there's airline ever served barbecue amass it's too much of red. Chips are they're healthy. You know, it's like eating styrofoam. But you know, I know. Enjoy was ruffles anyone. All right. So you get laid off you be you begin your embark on your journey as a as a stand up comedian. Where did you? How'd you grow up? And then where where where does the comedy come in like where where how's it India? Yes, I'm from Cleveland on my family's back there. And I was I mean, I guess I was like a funny kid. I was never a class clown. Like, I didn't want to try and get attention. Just make you know, snarky asides and something happens. And yeah thousand year writers, so I used to write all these stories when I was a kid and had a massive crush on my gym teachers AC write stories about how he and I will end up together, and I would like win awards version. No. But it was really ridiculous that win awards for this school knows ever. Like, hey, maybe we should talk to you. They're like gray great narrative. So I would just winning wars for being like, yeah. Wanna bang like my gym teacher and the good old days? Yeah. The good old days in the ninth. When it was great to be an appropriate. And yes, that was just I was used to watch a lot of movies. And I was virgin for ruling timing Virginia till I was twenty four. So yeah, I was just watching movies and TV shows so long with the virtue pin lose it. Adam. I tried. I tried to give it out, and I was like expire bed bath and beyond coupons. Nobody wanted to take those. Service. Yeah. I just couldn't. I just I don't think it highly swag. And I was very opens up. I was very skin. Nothing's I was just very very skinny. I went to like an all white high school. The only black girl will migrate like I never got asked out. And yeah, I just it was just not right time. And then I started doing comedy, I got more confident. And then I lost the old v car out there in the streets by plan b on the rigs, you know. You have a boyfriend now. Now, we broke up wells writing a book, and I had to move out. Oh, you're living together that was tough. That Brian had that genie someone else. The the move out not in the middle of book. But yeah, I've I've had to move out. That's it was. It is it was so hard because we were just not working well together more. So it's like let's day. But then I had a scramble to find apartment and New York, that's tough. It was hard to me. And like, you know, we moved in. So I like I threw out a lot of my stuff. So when I didn't have a bed like I didn't have a table mile this new stuff again I too I too rough moving at a rough move out in a rough move in. How do you have a rough movement? Like, you knew you shouldn't have moved into gather. You did it. Anyway, this was like I was dating somebody for really about three weeks. Oh, and I could have been a month and. Horrible. Is easily the worst before I met Jimmy Kimmel's right before I met Jimmy Kimmel live sensually had the worst like three months of anyone could ever have which is. I was dating this gal she was from Minnesota. And we really only been dating for about three or four could have been two weeks. And this is right for the ninety four earthquake the eye, and she was everything she was she was sleeping at my house and the ninety four quake hit, and I was living out in locker sent an rented house with three dudes and no money, and she was driving a piece of shit Nissan whose head gasket blew like the day before like parked in front of house. And we didn't know we didn't have the money. You know, I'm sort of mechanic, but this is a head gasket this big job. I don't know hundreds of dollars didn't have any money and her mom was coming out and mom was coming out going to stay with her because her mom was poor as well. Coming out from Minneapolis Minnesota. She was going to stay for like five days every bought our plane tickets, and blah, blah, blah, but she was going to stay with. This girl Cynthia earthquake hits in the middle of the morning middle of the night. Whatever ninety four she's from Minnesota. So she's all freaked out. I used to earthquake rehab work and grew up in the San Fernando Valley. So I'm giving her that don't worry about it. I remember nineteen seventy-two house rock and roll. It's fine. And she's like my -partment by cat in my this my that. I was like look I used to do cats gone. I used to do rehab or is it work. I've done so much construction so much earthquake rehab work. I said it's only masonry it's only on unrein force masonry near -partment to some crappy stucco, you know, valley village, whatever place, it's fine. It's fine. My mom's house that they just tore down in north Hollywood. That thing was from the eighteen something's it wasn't both down to the foundation wasn't anything or just rock and roll this fine wood and stucco, whatever siding fine. And we were at locking. We're like locker center, we'd like ten fifteen miles away. She was like in in she Sherman oaks and right along the river ride along the river Germano there anyway, she her her -partment was red flag. It was destroyed. She couldn't go back in her her business. She worked at the like rainforest cafe on Ventura boulevard. That was read flee to she had no job. No money. A blown head gasket an apartment, she couldn't go back into dead cat and mom that was like on a plane coming from a Minneapolis. And and now she's held up in this crappy house that we're all living in with three roommates and mama's coming to stay for five days, and I got some sort of disease. Don't know what it is to this day. But I had ulcers on my face my tongue way. Why she does? Maybe I had something you're like, Chris Elliott. There's something about Mary. Yes. I had night sweats where I would just sweat nights sweats and sorts breaking out onto my face and my tongue and my lips. And I was complete an utter disaster. Have no idea I didn't have insurance. We didn't have let's see who suppressive. Let's see. We didn't have Bill Clinton care back. Then. Clinton. We didn't. We didn't have any insurance have any money. They have anything. She haven't insurance. She'd have any money, and I was just like I'm sick. And I don't know what and knock on the door and the door open. And it was her mom. She just looked at me like all sorts on my face and stuff like stay in my bathrobe. All sweating are steaming in the front driveway. And she's like, she didn't she didn't hesitate. She's like what the fuck is going on. And I'm like, hey, sweetie. You're staying here for the next five days. I've made the best of it. And she was like I'm not fucking stand today or your daughter's apartment is destroyed you can't afford, and we literally crude down on the porch. Like, we got into it. I was in no mood either. Because I was like two days. I've no money. I my job is I worked in the basement of building and Pasadena teaching boxing Majaad shutdown temporarily as well her job. Nobody has money your car's broken. We got. Nothing. You gotta sofa. I got cankers and Jancker's things coming off my face. And that was about this bad as ever. Kimmel and everything was good. I did literally said, wow. This is the the quake was what February ninety four toward the end of February ninety four I was gonna turn thirty in may of ninety four. And I was like man you're gonna turn thirty and this is it got stuff all of your face and fat mother-in-law, not mother-in-law. Knows what to your face. I wanna way shingle. I just I just all I could do was sit and wait until everything went away. And that's the good news is I I didn't wasn't didn't wasn't getting a lot of commercial work. It was. There's a lot of overwork voiced animated stuff. Like that voice. A Mercedes, sir. I couldn't go to my job because my job was red flag. She couldn't go anywhere. Nobody could go anywhere. Nobody knew who. I was. And there wasn't anywhere to go. So just sat home and sweat. It all night. Oh, jeez. I'm glad you're on the other side of that. Yeah. So what? So how did you who brought up moving out? I did. I was just like I did the breaking up. And then I was like, well, it's only for I should move out says, I'm doing the breaking up. So I moved out, and yeah, I live in Brooklyn still. It's good. Things are good. We're fine. What what is appropriate amount of pushback on you moving out because a help, you pack. That's what I wanted to sort of insulted it. No, it was just you know, I was just like trying to pack like it was like a one bedroom apartment, and so it's kind of like railroad. So like you walk in. There's like the living room walked out on hallway. And there's a bedroom in the back. So I was like trying to pack his own like not moving out because he would be like he would get home from work. And you know, like, my clothes will be gone from the cloud that we just like wouldn't talk about it like, I just fell if we're horrible. This is my first move out. So I felt really like rec- heartbroken. We both were it was like, really sad. I mean, we're together like four years. And I think we both thought you probably going to get married at one point. So then it just became like. Oh, yeah. That's not gonna happen. So it's sauce of seen Saint elmo's fire. And I know that moving out can be sometimes contentious. He was he was okay. Like, you just both realize you've got to the end of this relationship. I was a little concerned because he always watched like dateline always like a woman breaks up with the white guy. He gets upset because he feels in title than the woman's dead. So I was very much like I hope he's not like a crazy Wang guy. He hasn't shown in crazy white guy. Tendencies in relationships. I was a little now's crossing. All right now. Do we need to know what he moves onto in terms of ethnicity? I would like some closure to your Queen moving onto the second Queen. Or she get with the white chick because he's box. Like to he's racial open up in people. So Adam needs to know. I will as soon as I find I will let you know who John dates next. Yeah. For me. Quick question. Adam Corolla needs to know who you're begging. Yeah. Yeah. I do because there's a lot of guys who have there's a lot of guys like like Asian women, and they just stick with Asian women. When am I this guy big yellow fever, though words offensive like is it like a fetish? Yeah. Is it a fetish? Do you think? He's actually respecting these women. Never I can tell you. I like to judge, you know. I like the prejudge. And if you tell me, hey, there's a student. You have Madame mention meet him, and he strictly dates Asian women. I probably won't like the guy because there's usually it's like because he start talking to him. And it's like, well, they don't talk real quiet and the real Servian like they take orders real. Well, you know what I mean like their hairless? Okay. That's a point. But what I'm saying is like usually that's a dude who has a type of personality is looking for this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't think it's like Asian black woman. Whatever bring him bring him down. This guy has his dad. Yeah. I had a friend in high school named Tom. He was a brother. He was now a said, very white brother real brother to dope, queens. This guy had to misfortunes he was black. But he was the richest guy I knew in high school is tad as dad was a hand surgeon. And so we go in eat at his house and stuff, but he loved Asian woman. Women that's all that's all he wanted. It's all he wanted but him he was he won like best physique like back when they could give those awards. This was in high school. They gave out that award gave out give out like most humble. Most state rape -able with package. Yeah. No, literally best of best, physique, best, female and male. They had like biggest flirt and stuff like that. Would never you'd never get away with those that just best looking we had the most and the least like the guy in the smallest guy. That's never go today. Yeah. This is respectful. Who's who's the winner in that equation? I could make a pretty good argument against the being either. One of those guys I got class clown, which I don't even know if they allow that anymore, but. This was a clown. This guy, I got best hair. And that is not a joke. Oh god. But that was an ironic that I was losing my hair. And everyone we could never do this any more. Back in my head in the yearbook. Of course. Of course on the joke. This guy term was best physique. He's just one of these guys with no waste all arms and lifted weights all the time, and he just was an amazing Adani's and could a nail the any black chick or white chick in the school. But he was only focused on Asian women in that Strunk the pool of potential bone ease down to next to nothing honors class. Just tell all the kind like towel manse Brett cook get her get her. I like I like the Asian women. I'm like, why are you doing this there? U N your kid yourself. Yeah. Buffet just ahead. The sushi. You won best physique school. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Get some Harvard you that's right now, I was black female. Oh know. Carr's MAC and cheese. I'm sorry for that -fensive stereotype. Yeah. The white right? Not the white white people. So what about you? We opened a we're open to dating anybody anything. Yeah. What are you looking for? I think I want someone older I'm thirty two and I'm dating younger. And I think it need a guy who's like late thirties to mid forties. Just like grown as dude. Who knows what he wants has job has a job as a headboard? Yep. Stuff. You know? I like funny. It's always weird. Because being a funny person someone I don't know if this happens when you Dany women were women like trying to show you how funny they were like how cool they were by Phil like, social tuned. Progressive view. I, you know, I think every I think people back me up. I think I'm not I never really on. But I'm never really off. I'm just sort of whatever. Whatever here. Here's kind of what you get people. I'm searching, you get the solid. He'll ask what's off the he's exactly the same minus about twenty percent. I just burst into tears and say, no. Yeah. So I I like the sense of humor is great. But it's also kind of like for me. It's my my world is comedy get enough of it. And then talk about something else. They appreciate your sins. If you. Yeah. And that's that's pretty much it I'm flexible, I'm pretty open sense of humor being funny's not important to you those guys inventories coming in tomorrow protects all the other boxes. You may want to me very nice guys on zone business. Business a fitness. He's research. I need that exciting. Right. Okay. What look like good looking. Talion guy would very very in shape. There's a nice picture charter. I know. There's the body shot. Is very fit. He's to rigged. He I don't think you he wouldn't disagree with you on that. I would describe you as beautiful with that new vagina smell. Not worn out within the book back. My book. Low mileage. Twenty four about about his old is losing Virginia. Thanks. We've we've had in here in a while. Liz, oh, I was sixteen and a half or something and ours in highschool as in the going in the eleventh grade, I think that's nice. I it wasn't horrible. Just got awful. It was literally. Yes. Yes. I was horrible. But I was so consumed with I I have this bad. I have this I bad wiring. And my wiring is is is such that. If I were like at the Super Bowl on the fifty yard line. My wiring is we gotta get this game over with. So I can go tell people as at the Super Bowl not sit back and enjoy the Super Bowl still like that. Now. Disappointing women now. I have a rich tradition. Disappointing women since nineteen Eighty-one tradition disappointment since one thousand nine hundred. Yeah, it says a Queen. It's on my business card disappointing since one thousand nine hundred eighty one. Yes. On satisfied customer. And other. If d like, go down like are you down to go down, you give it like, you're all I got it. My wife. Yeah. No. I wouldn't say give it give it my all. I don't. I don't. There's a there's a there's a position I'm sad to say get into like any relationship any job anything where you kind of think. Well, not what we do to really make this company rich, but what I do not to get fired. Different setting. Our back one more clip, and it's a great one. This is the premier of rich banks, some main Graham moments great. He doesn't perfect Benny king impression and attribute with his vocal tone. I love it. And then also it's use of a great drop that people are quite fond of is from Adam Karol show sixteen fifty one just Gina grad, and Brian Bishop along with Adam Corolla, this is from September twenty fifteen check it out. Men green. Created thing was that bad. He ran out. Here's. Tom. There. Half a glass of wine. Ruining his samba. Horta never thing. He. Drunk. Macgyver. Made in men move. Hash tag him. Captured them. Twitter. Dickey banks everybody. We do. Nice. You just hashtag pound angry moment and will honor a fan every week picture. Tell you with a moment. Creative people. We've got to look at this picture and talk to you and it probably pound, right? Foot pound in there. Not just write hashtag Mangum moment habit. Okay. I know. I know it's a condescending answer, but I'm saying talk onto sending that my habit of and I think of hashtag I put hashtag on there. The word hashtag. The word hashtag comes before hashtag or that. They the Pallandt what I'm saying. I sonny. Hi, gary. Gary do we have a picture? We don't this is the start of the away. Tweet us their pictures. You people you people do tweet me your stuff, and it's nice. You. Jio? Hi, chris. That is it for Corolla classics four this Saturday may fourth. Thank you again for hanging out with us. Just reminder submit your quest Email as classics, Adam Kroll dot com. 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Phoebe Robinson

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Phoebe Robinson

"I'm Cindy Levy. And this is the Barneys podcast, the show that celebrates fashion style culture. But most of all the personalities who create those things every single day. Phoebe Robinson is an all around Queen. She's the host of not one but two must-listen podcasts to dope queens, which she hosts alongside Jessica Williams and so many white guys to dope, queens, by the way was spun off into a series on HBO last year. And his taping its second season soon BB's first collection of essays, you can't touch my hair and other things. I still have to explain was a New York Times bestseller. Her second book, everything is trash, but it's okay was just published. It offers Larry's and profound takes on everything from personal debt to feminism to what to do. When you meet your personal rock, God. So I got this kind of body con dress knows like this. I want to see me on my most, like fabulous south, you know, a very Carrie Bradshaw. I've known. Phoebe for years. But I couldn't wait to sit down with her to talk about the important stuff and also the not so important staff. What are you wearing today? Phoebe robinson. This is this black tank top is from targets like sleep wear. I like where like fear trash my jeans from Zara, and then I'm wearing like platform sort of, like, like kind of like shoes from Aldo to get that height. We'll let the record show that you came on the New York City subway so platforms on the subway props to you for that. Thank you. I if I have it right in your book you call eras ours. Our banks. Yes aren't being. So I love him. Who you're doing all today? You are in general jeans sneakers, I kind of person, maybe like a little suit, if I'm feeling fancy maybe like every once in a while I wear dress, but it's just like you have to wear the spanks, and like I'm small up top and bigger on bottoms hat, like Pat, it out. I'm just like it's a whole thing, but like jeans like always come through your right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, where's your blazer from this is Gucci and excuse me this? He it's an old favourite emphasis on old because the the buttons are the little cat faces. That's cute. I do like a cat like a cat. Yeah. So, yeah, it makes me feel chic and yet somehow also like my grandmother. So you're from Cleveland. Yeah. And you been doing stand up for a long time. I saw a great clip of you. And you are I think around twenty four. Dot com comedy close, maybe not even a year in. Oh my God. What was that girl's dream from the beginning? Yeah, I mean, I think I didn't really know that I wanted to do stand up until I was like going on to twenty four because a friend of mine, she wanted to take a stand up class and I was like, all right. I'll take this dumb class whatever it's only six weeks, and I fell in love with it. Yeah. Like right away. What part of it? What did you fall in love with, I think my first show that I ever wrote was about being catcalled, and how I liked it and it was I got we were in this room with, maybe like it's like a half circle. Vicodin chairs. And I just put my hand the microphone, I like told my first joke, and it got like a few chuckles. And I was like this is kinda cool. And I was like, okay, maybe I should like, you know, investigate this and see if this is something that I could keep doing so that was July twenty eight men in October twenty eight got laid off from my job. And I was like, maybe this is a sign from the universe. So the recession is what led you in a way? Yeah. Now was like, all right. I'm just going to do these like, temp jobs or whatever. And then just do stand up shows at night, like I was going to, like Staten Island, and, but I never like for Salt Lake Tito, Peens, or writing books or anything. I was just like oh, just kind of like do this. Maybe one day if I'm lucky I'll get like a late night set on, like I think Letterman was still on at the time or something like that. And I was like that can be like the the dream. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And to dope queens, I know started with your friend, the comedian just co Williams, partly because you guys felt like you weren't seeing a lot or hearing a lot of material that you really related to and you. Wanted to fill that gap. Absolutely. Like she started doing improv in L A. And I did improv your we're both. Did you see, but L A, New York? Right. And obviously I was like the only person color like my, my class, and she saved for her, and we're New York, we're just kind of like, we know like so many like amazing people like Michelle Bhutto Nori Davis and John Early. Like all these really funding like women people color, queer comics, but we're like we never really see them like on, you know, late night, or like getting the same opportunities. I some of these other guys are getting like these white guys are getting, we're just kind of like, well, why don't we just have a show where we just sort of invite our friends on that we think are amazing, and that's really how to queens became about. We just wanted to celebrate our friends, and you were very successful as podcast and then became an HBO show and he's really, you know, one of the interesting things about it is, it's really a variety show. Like you've brought that format back. I've always loved that format. And I feel like people haven't. Necessarily figured out a way to make current. And I'm not really sure how Justin I figured out the formula. I think is just like our friendship is the root of it, and men, I don't know. I feel like of the two of us, I'm dorky are one. And so, I think people relate to that, like Justice like kind of, like always just being like, hey now you're being ridiculous. You know, a lot of people have both sides within themselves. So they like, really fully see themselves. And then I think we just have really lucked up. I just having amazing comics who wanted to come on, and do the show. So you wrote your first book, a couple of years ago, it became a New York Times bestseller, and Oprah became a fan here. She calling you and you weren't calling her back what happened. So my bookie kids hair came out two years ago. And I was very nervous because I was like, yes, I had the podcast, but I'm still really relatively unknown. And so two days after it came out my agent called, rob. Gansler and he was, like, hey, so over, how's your book, and I was just so I was so confused. I was like, why would she have I talk about Pena's in here? Why was she? Like it's one thing that your parents, but that Oprah had to read it for doesn't deserve this, she's dead so much for everyone. She shouldn't read my dumb book. And he was, like, she's just going to call you. I don't think she has my number. It's just such a ridiculous sort of conversation. Yeah. We're like L O like Yudo Sony. Mike. Okay. Sure. Oprah has my numbers gonna call me whatever, and I just kept missing her phone calls. I will say in my defense she blocked her number. And at the time I how like maybe fifty thousand in student loan debt. So I was like, I, I can't pick up the phone, if I don't know this number. You think it's a learn sharp not Oprah Winfrey. Yes, I'm like, screw this. And there's always, and I, I missed like three of her phone calls, and I was like, okay. This is giddy. Redick Yetlis like a half to get on it, and he's leaving voicemails. She eventually left a voicemail. And I listened to it. And it was just like as this is her voice. That I've heard on TV ever since I was like, I don't know, ten this is her issues like this is Oprah as in Winfrey as if I wouldn't know which Oprah it is like there's only one Oprah. Glad that, that the super humble though, endearing, it was so cute and let them the nicest voicemail, and we got on the phone and Chaddha. And I was just like your everything ever thought you were going to be she was, like, really gracious and Swede and tell me how she related to my book, and I was just like this is crazy. And my parents are very sort of like there for the mid west. We're all from, like Ohio, and they're very sort of like chill modest and my, my dad particular doesn't care about celebrities really. He's like, okay, you're talented whatever. But who cares? But when I told about Oprah and I played the voice mail, he was like you've made it like he was so happy. He was so thrilled for me. And it was really, really. I hear your mom is especially hard to impress because I'll she wants. There's one person Davis. That's it. She always asks, Loville David, have you met her yet? I haven't so I went to Hollywood reporter had a women in hot. He would thing I think, so I went to it and was one table away from viola saw just texted him on one table away from viola Davis and my mom was, like, where's the photographic evidence? Going to be in the corner lights like freaking team over here. She was, like, would you go over his aping to her nose, like no? What do I have to say to violence? Like what my mom really likes you. So I want to talk a bit about this book because it's fantastic. I've just finished it. Everything's trash. But it's okay. It's hilarious incredibly, well, written, you have a gift and a knack for the genius parenthetical. You. Tangent that somehow becomes essential. One of my favorite chapters in the book is called feminism. I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you, which first of all, is an awesome, America's next top model line. Repurpose. We're the line, come from, and then and then talk a little bit about that chapter and how you see feminism needing to change. Okay. Well, I am a humongous fan of America's next top model. It's every single season some multiple times, and the like sort of Tyra like mama bear speech that she delivered to Tiffany was like you could really tell that she really believed in this woman, am Tiffany at that point, it just kind of like giving up the competition felt really hard to her entire was just kind of like we all had your back. Like we all wanted you to go really far. You're the one that said, no to yourself. Like we didn't say no to you. And I really just like that philosophy in life in so many times you just count ourselves out of stuff before anyone else can. And I was like, right on Tyra and men. I think it's a complicated. I think everyone has a complicated relationship with him in his ISM. And I think after the election. I know for me for a lot of my friends who are women of color, we were kind of like, oh, wow. Yeah. There's some ugly truths that we gotta deal with and really talk about openly if we want them to progress the way that it should mean looking at the statistics. And yeah, that women of color had overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton. But white women of the majority of white women had voted for Donald. Yeah. Which I think was kind of I don't know. I just didn't see that coming, one of the examples that you gave him the book that I've found compelling and that I feel I've seen in, in reality was that when you'd posted something about black lives matter, and I'm not sure when it was, but probably about the same time, twenty sixteen that you did not see a lot of white women followers. Yeah. Commenting, you know, right on agree in the comments. I'm feeling like we're in this together. And like feminism isn't going to advance. Dance and protect all of us, if it's not looking out for black women or for trans women or for queer women or for anyone who identifies with being a woman. And so when I saw the like the excitement everyone have for the women's margin, I participated, and I, I was excited about it, too. I was just kind of like there wasn't this level of excitement? For black lives matter, or for like even immigration stuff for a while didn't really start getting the traction that it has now but for so many years like people kind of didn't care. And so I'm just sort of, like, we got a we got us sort of focus up here. And we can't just only pick and choose the issues that we want to back. There's that classic sign at the women's March that said, okay? I'll see all you nice, white ladies at the next black lives matter. Right. Yeah. One of my favorite chapters in the book is called I was a size twelve once for like twenty seven minutes. Yeah. And, you know, you talk about how you say that for about twenty of the thirty four years years, you've been alive. Your brain has been consumed with all the ways your body is in good enough and that you're just starting to get past that I still think the fashion industry is really behind a lot of ways. And I know it was just bumming me out, when you, you write about the sort of photo shoot economy and, you know, I felt very implicated because you know I added a glamour for years. I know we photographed you, and Jessica, 'cause huge fan of the podcast when I was there and, you know, you talk about how at all photo shoots that you would go to there, wouldn't be closed in your size. Or, you know, there'd be one thing that may be kinda sorta fit, and then they'd give you some like extra small spanks situation that you had to put on in order to get into it. And, you know, I realized reading that I'm sure some of that happened on my watch, and there really is no excuse for it. It's something that needs to change yet. Yeah. And I did I remember when I had my movie, Abe's for Netflix, this is like the first movie I've ever done. And I remember I was like, oh, I got it. You know, I gotta get outfit for premier and. My style is Kati assessment who is brilliant and amazing. And she always find stuff in my size. And she was like, yes, I mean, people are like, yeah, we have seven aside, six. So basically what I had to do was for the fitting, I gave her my credit card. I think I chart she charged like ten grand worth of stuff for, like all my press stuff at a try everything on see what fit, and then go through the process, and, like, return, everything because they're people like oh, we don't have like an eight or ten and I'm like, but you have to. Yeah, that's like a pretty average, like below average size. Right. I mean, the push to get samples made in a range of sizes. He's a real one an important one both for lending to people who wanna wear the clothes, you know, you mung them, but also because then they can be photographed in jeans and other places where people do publicity so that you're not then you, then you're not locked into using models, who only wear a much below average size. Yeah. Just bananas. To begin with. Is there a passage from that book that you like to read? This is a fun, essay. Because I wrote about this guy who shamed my body. Oh, yeah. Eric yet, Eric. Yeah. You gotta tell us about era. Okay. So I was tender at the behest of my mom, wait. Your mom wanted to attend. Sorry, mashed dot com. Yes. She, she was about ten to mom. Octavius not hip. She's like, what's Tinder, but match dot com. She's like very sweet. She's like maybe you can find someone there. And so I met this guy Eric and he's a teacher really nice lived in Philadelphia at the time. I don't know where he lives now. But really cool. We like hit it off. And then we had a date, and we went back to my place and. And. Will I have said time if you're listening just fast forward about a minute? Yeah. And we fold around and then, you know, some stuff happened. So read what happens? Eric began, you know, and then I began cautiously. Uh-huh. Their exercises, you could do to tone up, your is no job just fucking. Nope, y'all. This is the biggest note by done note in my entire life, bigger than a. Nope. I feel when I see a grown ass. Dude, wearing crocs with socks bigger than an open. My iphone goes from forty percent to twelve percent off because of play the game to dots for proximate -ly three and a half minutes and bigger than the note by scream when a pigeon drive by pooped. All my arm infringe told me that means good luck. But, you know, you talk about how there's old feeds and noone feeds and old feeds in that situation felt like crap. Yeah. But you'd feel differently now. Yeah, I felt like crap and I sort of like didn't defend myself at all. And I just let him go on and on about a heave, unlike demonstrated he got a bed and demonstrated exercises. I could do. Oh, yes. So my body could look better. And his words I was in my twenties, and I was just like now I wouldn't put up with some guy just trashy my body because he feels like I can. But I think all of us women were we all have complicated relationships with our bodies. We are sort of no matter how confident we made feel we still do sort of value external feedback, and sometimes it can really sort of gut you in a way it make you feel really bad about yourselves. And so that's really what happened in. Maceration. I felt so horrible. And I let him stay he likes spent the night, and it was horrible. And now we've been like get your shit and get out. I'm also will you say that we should be a lot more defiant? Use the word complicit by not speaking up. You felt you were a little bit complicit. Yes, because I like by not defending myself. I was sort of kind of validating what he was saying. Then I was like, oh, I'm also guilty of not sort of using my privilege to, like shed a light on this, or like defend friends. When I hear guy say like crappy things about women's bodies. I just sort of just be quiet. And so then I really had to look at myself, and go yet, airi'q is like terrible, too. But also, like I need to step it up. And that was sort of, like, you know, no one ever wants a toll themselves. Oh, I'm not doing as well as I should. But clearly I was it, and that we really need to be calling people on it, whenever they give us those attitude. Exactly. Let's talk. For a second about sexual harassment in comedy because it's been a big subject lately. You tell a story in the book about something that happened to you, that I I've found, you know, really brutal incident. Can you talk about that? You, you call the guy Richard. You're very kindly. Protect your identity. Yeah, I was pretty early on in stand up. Maybe like I dunno to three years. Maybe four and I was at this comedy party and its comic comes to the party, Richard. He's pres farther along. It's not like he's Louis C K or anything like that. But you know he's farther along his career than I was at the time. And he's like, whoa, what's your situation down there? I like didn't know what he was talking about. Like, what he's like, you know, like he like gestures towards my crotch. And I was just kind of like. Oh, no, no, no. We're not doing that. There's no there's no we're not. And I just sort of like was like, I'm not going to answer that. That's really inappropriate. Like, why would you say to me, he was, like, come on? It's not like we're on the same level. And it was just comic. Oh, because I'm a newer comedy. He literally send them. Oh my God. Yes. Because I'm a newer comic UT you could just sexually harass me, and, like, asking about my body parts. It was just so disgusting. I mean, disgusting offensive and also baffling like what, what did he actually even mean I think he just like way to know if I was like shaved or wax, or what I don't even know what it was just, like, why would you ever ask that? And then you continue to see this guy around. Right. Looks in your field. Yeah. And then we did his show to get we're on the same show together. Like maybe a year or two later and I just immediately remember that incident and I felt like awful, and like, you know, everyone else's like coming into the green room and everyone was like huggy. Hey, hi. Hi, how's it going? And I thought will I have to hug them because if I don't I don't wanna make him feel weird that hugged everyone but him. So I did. And I was like this is disgusting. Like, why am I why do I feel this way? And why am I not just stay up for myself enough to know he was a creep, and I don't need to be nice to him, and I don't need to care about his feelings anymore. But I think as women were conditioned to be like, we can't upset the men. Well, do you feel like let's say you ran into him this week? Would it be different with everything that's happening in the world? And the way we know we're starting to see women. Call men in real positions of power out an after what you call the great deep eating sandwich might be my new favorite phrases refer to the following of the movement. Would it be different? Yeah. I wouldn't talk to them at all. I think what's happening now. And I know for other people in for me, I'm just kind of standing up for myself more being like it's not. Okay. I agree. Let's talk about good guys. You have a great thing going with Bano. I do. And I was super excited to learn from your book, that it actually started because of an episode that you and Jessica did onto dope, queens where you discussed the fact that he had been named a glamour man of the year. This was a decision that we had made it glamour when I was the editor there and. It was very controversial. We got a lot of hate mail. A lot of people thought it was lame that a rich white man had been named man of the year, and in retrospect, I do understand that argument. But you were standing up for it does in the world. Yeah, I didn't know but a lot of the people his staff they listen to, to queens, so we just sort of like reached out to us, and they're like, would you ever like wanna do something? I'm like, I will do everything I think, what you guys do is amazing in so that really sort of started the relationship. So Jessica, and I got asked to do bomb a this is twenty seventeen the last year and we got invited to read charity dinner, and I was like Jess. It's all happening jazz. I gotta get it outfit for this event and she was like, oh my God. And I was like, of course, like didn't have much money. So I got this dress from like BB, but I, I like to call a baby to be cooled before, like, you know, bitch. It's bb. Is I got this kind of like body? Con dress smells like this. I want to see me on my most, like fabulous self. You know, a very Carrie Bradshaw, we show up to the dinner now is he not there? But it's like sunken, like a muddy grass like everyone's just wearing like shorts and like appropriate music festival gear. And I'm in like my stilettos, like tip toeing across the grass and my oh, you are such a door. You're such a dork Phoebe and then my friend Sean Louis she is. She's should be like a talent coordinator for you to like many moons ago. And she was like I've been talking Bajo, and I told them at you went to meet him and that you like dressed up for him. And I was like, no. I'm supposed to be cool here. A man. It's like the moment like I see Bano like come out of his trailer on my home. I got him. I got I'm like, I'm so scared. I wanna make run away then he's like making his way talking to everyone. It's sort of, like he's just like a politician just like charming everyone. And it was like, really cool. And he gets to me, and he just like gives me the biggest hug, and he's like I am so happy to be meeting you. Thank you so much for, like talking about my charities on your podcast. And I was just like here's so. Oh, we else like freaking out, but it wasn't disappointing. No, it was like the bad like this is how all celebs should be. Yeah. PS world be more like bonnet. TV. Thank you so much. Oh, pink. Interviewing you on a podcast is sort of like inviting Julia child for dinner, and then serving her macaroni and cheese, so thanks. You were so great. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Thanks for having having you. You can listen to Phoebe Robinson's podcasts to dope, queens and so many white guys wherever you get your podcasts. 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Ralph Northam's Imperfect Blackface Apology Tour | Phoebe Robinson

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

25:40 min | 1 year ago

Ralph Northam's Imperfect Blackface Apology Tour | Phoebe Robinson

"The you're listening to comedy central. February eleven two thousand nine hundred ninety. From comedy central's world news headquarters in New York. This is the daily show with Trevor Noah, here's the deal. Thank you. Thank you. No, I would guess tonight is a writer and comedian in front of the show comedian from to queens, currently airing on HBO Phoebe Robinson is he everybody. I thought wakes I away to Oscar what it's like to work with Jessica Williams. Also on the show the governor of Judea joins a book club, the earth is a giant bug zapper and Senator Amy klobuchar throws her hat into the ring at one of her staffers. But first, let's catch up on today's headlines. The Grammy awards. It's the night. When white Americans are reminded how much black people like to thank God. And last night's show wasn't no difference. Music's biggest night. The Grammy's wanna show? It was huge night. For women. Carney became the first solo female artist to win a Grammy. For best rap album for invasion of privacy took home the award for best rap song for his song. God's plan, but many viewers upset that his powerful speech appeared to be cut off Casey muss graves who took home the biggest award of the night album of the year also appeared to be cut off. Okay. Now, here's the thing. A lot of people were angry because people speeches were getting cut off. But the show was also four hours long. I understand that you winning an award and you wanna thank everybody. But we'll be watching this thing for hours. Okay. You gonna get cut off? You don't wanna get cut off give a quick speech. It's called the radio. Edit people should know this. People wing. This is the Grammys. Oh, I didn't expect to win. You wouldn't something in case was either you or one of four other people it's not like mega millions. You know, you have a chance cut the people up. Because people just go. Oh, michael. And and Anthony did I mention Michael. Yeah. You mentioned Mike Michael the first time, you don't it's like, it's like those people who wait in line at your potently. And then when they get to the front. You came in the door. You knew where you were going. What do we have just get into the thing? Just like burrito. Why Greis love Coa guac? Yes. This extra. It's fine done. Thank you going. Sit down. Shows up to a circumscription like, many scissors. He spent six hours getting into a dress. And you couldn't write down the name of your manager. Come on. Anyway, I enjoyed the Grammy's moving on every day. We're giving you remind of how fragile our planet is we don't know how much longer human life will be around. But the good news is we're not going to be the first to go. I know we talk a lot about the environment. But the world is truly under threat. Scientists say from a catastrophic collapse of nature's ecosystems now this is according to a new global scientific review of insects. This report published in the biological. Conservation journal finds the total massive insects around the world is falling two and a half percent every single year at that rate. Scientists say all insects could vanish within one hundred years now, this is one of those stories where someone has to tell you why it's bad because when you hear two point five percent of bugs of dying each year. Most people's reaction is can we do ten percents. That's why they have to use butterflies in the footage. Because if it was a wasp you'd be like, yeah. I don't care them go. But this is really bad when you consider the food chain. Right. We need insects because birds eat bugs and then cats birds, and then horses it casts. Look, I don't know how this works. I just know we need insects. Okay. Not a scientist. But insects are going of dying people. It's so bad. You know, how Eunice used to show those ads with starving African kids. Covenant flies will now they use the same ED's. But the Africans are like now, we need that out to save these flies. Can we save their flies? And you know, what the daily show we wanted to our parts of save the insects. So we rescued five hundred cockroaches from. Okay. Everyone look under your chair. It you see one kid don't even mess around kill that shit. Finally, Amazon is in the news. Once again, this time, the stall with all the junk, we don't really need to buy has a CEO with junk. We don't really need to see richest man in the world, founder and CEO of Amazon. Jeff Bezos is not going down without a fight. The tech giant says the National Enquirer, and it's owner David pecker are trying to blackmail. These those claims the National Enquirer and its parent company. AM I threatened to release text messages and explicit photos unless bazo cold off his investigation into how the Enquirer got the photos shared an alleged Email sent from am is chief content officer describing multiple personal photos eight obtained of Basil's, including a below the belt selfie. Okay. I know this story is about the National Enquirer trying to blackmail the richest man in the world. But to me, the biggest story is why is the richest man in the world sending dick pics. No, if you're broke I get it. I it's sort of the one thing you have to advertise. Listen boot, I live with my parents. I can't pay for dinner. But I am a male of the species. But when you have one hundred forty billion dollars dick pic, make no sense. First of all every dick looks poor. You never see dick and think that. Has some house every dick looks like it's asking for news change, you could try and make it look rich like Jeff Bezos could have a Faberge egg next to dick for scale. But you still to be. How'd that has egg that rich shouldn't be doing this basis so rich and so they're sending dick pic? He could have done anything. You could have paid picks up to animate his dick and send it to the woman. Well, would do the music for him. Forget dig picks just sent a photo Forbes magazine, you're the richest men in the world. Slide into the and you'll probably get if Jeff Bezos texted me at three AM like you up you better believe it and I've got a backpack. Jeff, let's go. Basis is an idiot for sending dick pic. She shouldn't be blackmailed though. He shouldn't like that. Part of the story is wrong. He's punishment should be all he's fuchsia. Dick picks get sent with Amazon reviews. One style item. Not as described. All right. Let's move on top story. Virginia. The genia. It's a state that used to be known for things like slavery plantations and being the capital of the confederacy. But now that proud history is being tainted by accusations of racism. Over the past week a series of black face scandals have played senior officials in Virginia. And in the face of calls for him to step down governor Northam set this weekend with an actual black person to make his case. Did you ever think about resigning when the drumbeat became so loud? And by the way, there's still beaten for you to step down. Yes, I have thought about resigning, but but I've also thought about what Virginia needs right now. And I really think that I'm in a position where we're I can take Virginia to the next level, and it will be very positive what a ball away to keep your job. Like, that's how you stay in office. But there's really no how the job where you could pull that move. Right. Can you imagine working at Wendy's trying to fire you and you like yes, I was taking money from the cash register. But I think what Wendy's needs right now for me to stay on the job and help us all heal from this epidemic of workplace theft. Nobody else's stealing. You say. It's working already. We're all healing. That's why I gotta stay. What? Okay, fine Novum says he should keep his job because he's learned his lesson. The question is when exactly has he learned governor. Ralph north of now says his black face scandal serves a higher purpose. He says he's learned from it. And that he wants to spend the rest of his time in office focused on racial issues. Advisors have signed him to read roots and the case for reparations the Atlantic article by Tallahassee coats, and that he's doing this whole sort of reinvention of himself. I was born in white privilege, and that has implicate to it, and it is much different. The way a white person such as myself is treated in this country. Someone's been studying hot at woke nights school. He's reading routes. He's talking about white privilege. I feel like a week from now rough north is going to show up in a just be like the blood of the white devil must run through the streets on now have the strength of the Blick pin third. Now, look you shouldn't have to read routes to know that black face is wrong. Right. You can just watch the mini series. It's way easier, but still credits north awesome for trying to learn an improve. Although now, ironically, he's learned so much about black history that it's getting him into even more trouble. If you look at Virginia's history, we're now the four hundred year anniversary just ninety miles from here in sixteen nineteen the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores and old point comfort. What we call now for Monroe, and while also known as slavery. Yes. For north AMAN. Seems like no matter what he says. He just makes it worse. Because almost everyone who saw that clip had the same reaction as Gail indentured servants, some nice way to say slavery. What do you? Call black face extreme tanning. What do you call aids permanent flu? What do you call it through NAMI Akron in three d what is it? But now to be Fettes Northam, some historians do say the first Africans to arrive in Virginia were actually indentured servants, not slaves. In fact, America had black and white indentured servants before slavery became an all black thing. Yeah. It was basically like the NBA it used to be mixed. And then they were like actually let people are way better at this. We don't need the white people anymore. Go play racket ball or something. I'm not gonna lie. One of the things that makes them so entertaining is that he's like the Michael Scott politics. Right. Every time every time he tries to get out of a hole. He just keeps digging himself depot at a press conference nine days ago. He raised more questions admitting to wearing shoe polish to dark and his face impersonating. Michael Jackson for dance competitions. Right. Are you still able to moonwalk? Appropriate. My wife says inappropriate circumstances. For many of us watching it looked like you were about to actually demonstrate the moonwalk we thinking about showing off your moonwalking skills. No because I don't have those at age fifty nine. What are you doing? What do you mean? The correct answer is no I was not going to moonwalk because I was in the middle of a black face apology. Not no because I'm out of practice. That's the wrong. No. It's like if your spouse asked, you are you trying to poison me for the insurance money like what no poison would look too much like suicide, and they don't pay for that so wrong. No. So look the apology tour isn't going perfectly. But I will say this at least it's an apology tour. The question is now how do people in his state feel about him because that's ready matters. And you'll be surprised to find out that the numbers are not as black and white as you think a new poll by the Washington Post and George Mason University in Virginia founded Virginians are split on whether governor north of should step down. But fifty eight percent of African American Virginians surveyed said he should not resign thing. They need to get off men them do his job. That's right in Virginia. A lot more black people than white people believe governor Northam should keep his job. Which seems crazy, but it actually makes sense total sense because think about it to black people especially Virginia every white guy serving in office has probably done some racist shit in their past. So you might as well have a white guy who has already been caught and feels bad about it. Because you know, that guy's never messing up again. And now he has a racism debt has to pay and let me tell you white guilt can be very useful. My friends. Black people in Virginia governor north and for anything now, but a school's criminal Justice reform a holiday for beyond say's birthday, a black person in Virginia could also them to pick him up from the airport, and he'd be like I'll be there in fifteen minutes. Three. I were if I were black person Virginia I would also wants to keep them around because until his tomb is over he's going to be working every day to pay black people back for what he's done. And I know what you're thinking. Like, what are you saying Trevor, he's their slave? No, no, no, not slave indentured servants. So. You can feel the tension. There's only six hundred thirty days until the twenty twenty election. So if you fire up your slow cooking now, you'll have the most tender election like brisket Abba. But that doesn't leave a lot of time for Democrats to narrow down the field of contenders, which just keeps growing and growing. So let's check in on the latest developments in ongoing segments. World War d. Let's kick it off with Kamala Harris, she went on the breakfast club this morning and said that if she becomes president. You're not going to have to hide your weed in the vegetable crisper anymore. First of all, let me just make the statement very clear. I believe we need to legalize marijuana. Have you ever smokes? I have. Okay. Again died. Again, digest Diane mail. I didn't I dated. It was a long time ago. I don't know why anyone is acting like Kamla Harris booking weed is a big deal. Yeah. It used to be a scandalous thing for a politician to admit. But now, it's like, yeah. Who cares? We just getting so normalizing America. Now that instead of drinking beers that O'Malley's pub in the future. It's going to be candidates who are gonna stop by leafy. Larry's Denka and Santa Monica vape. That's what it's going to be so common didn't make much news. But there was another democrat who did the field of presidential hopefuls is a little more crowded tonight. Minnesota's democratic Senator Amy klobuchar announcing her bid during a snowstorm in Minneapolis. I stand before you as the granddaughter of an iron ore minor as the first woman elected to the United States Senate from the state of Minnesota. To announce my candidacy for president. Can we go home? We can't feel our. Announcing your campaign in a snowstorm from now on everyone's going to have to top that. That's the ball now Biden has to announce from inside a tornado. And then Bernie will be like, oh, we'll live currently being struck by lightning. And it has no effect. Now, some people said that Cobra holding a rally in the snow showed grit and determination, but to President Trump. It was evidence of something else. The president clearly paying attention to his potential challenger jabbing showers position on climate change tweeted this saying Amy khloe tar announced that she is running for president talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a virtual blizzard of snow ice and freezing temperatures bad timing by the end of her speech. She looked like a snowman woman. Snowmen woman. This is such a weird tweet because on the one hand he's denying decades of scientific research on climate change again. But on the other hand, he's being kind of woke snow men or women. It's time. We acknowledged that women can also be snow people. In fact, some snow women were born snowmen, folks. A lot of people don't know that God doesn't always put the carrot in the right place, folks. Got a big. The thing about Amy Cobra show. Normally this kind of campaign rollout would be considered a success. But unfortunately announcement was overshadowed by some of the news all this comes amid a report that clover shar had such a bad reputation over treatment of staff that a number of potential staffers withdrew from consideration to manage your campaign. Sources tell the huffpost senior Senator is quote, habitually demeaning and prone to bursts of cruelty that make it difficult to work in her office for long her anger left staffers in tears, she threw papers and sometimes even hurled objects and one eight was accidentally hit with a flying binder. Wow. Throwing binders at her employees. They need legalize weed in her office. So fresh off to her announcements the first obstacle to send the Cobra shows presidential run has already presented itself. How does she respond to that? Well, not in the way, you'd think I am tough. I pushed people that is true. But my point is is that I have high expectations for myself. I have high expect patience for the people that work for me, and I have high expectations for this country. All will will will will she has highest stations for stuff and for this country. Sounds like if she becomes president she's going to treat everyone in America like stuff she's going to be calling random Americans at six in the morning. Hey, Brad, why aren't you at work? What I'm sorry about president. Oh, you're gonna be sorry. Then a binder just flies through the window. He's like I do this. Because I tough on them sounded like of my mom would say before she whipped my ass. I'm doing this for your own good. I have high expectations for you. But look these reports about Kobe shots temple gonna be a problem for her. They could be because if there's one thing we know is that the only people who make it to the White House of the ones with a com, even temperaments. We'll be right back. He is a comedian a bestselling author and actor who can be seen in the new film. What men want and is one of two dope. Queens Phoebe Robinson. Oh my God. I'm back any for me during black. You people standing for you all the time you are kicking ass Phoebe Robertson. Congratulations on everything that you're doing has it felt like a whirlwind for you. I mean, I know that you genuinely grinding for a long time as a as a comedian as a writer, and then felt like everything just like you went to dope queens to queens went from podcast into a TV show. Now, you're in a movie, are you soaking it all in I am fills very exciting. I am on shop. Bob, all the time. Getting discount sweaters. I'm feeling really. I. I don't know about that. You'll fashion has been one of the things people comment on most onto queens. They go like every do plan that as like, do you go like this is going to be the fashion for this show was that just a byproduct of your style a whole glam team Coty assessments my stylist? Lena does my hair's. Sorry, doing does my makeup Sabrina does my hair, and we just like want to knock it out the park rights to like, Tracy Ellis Ross and salons and all these amazing queens. I just wanna be on that level. You know, this is what I what I've always loved about to queens is that it really covers everything it's not afraid to be funny. It's not afraid to be angry. It's not afraid to be sad and happy and joyful enough. Domestic at the same time. It's not afraid to be black. But it's not afraid to be not stereotypically black. What are you? Enjoy most about being on the show. And what do you what are you excited about in this new season? I think just nine when we met we were both kind of like we do improv sometimes day. Why did sorry? And we just we wanna be ourselves. And so we will we love waiting to exhale, but we also love like Harry Potter. So it's like this. Nice perfect mix. I think that's like a great mix. And so we just have fun. And I think people really respond to that you show on you've got to step up coming out. Yeah. And I love it called sorry Harriet Tubman. Yes. Because I'm ignorant like, I really am. I might carry a work so hard on that railroading here. I come making like dick jokes. So sorry area. I'm so sorry. Apple I know though, that's the game that you play though. Right. Like musk your smarts in the dick jokes, of course. Because you want people to feel like at ease. Right. You're like no like oh. Well, knowledge. I guess men and women do different 'cause you your take is I whip the Dicks and then people get calm. And then I come with the knowledge, and I'm like, the knowledge and then on the dick I feel like it's a different game that we'd be laying difference that we have the movies. Yes. Are you enjoying that? I am it's fun to kind of be on. And this was the biggest movie I've ever done. What may want to Raji was awesome? And I just was like I kept to myself. I didn't wanna break thing. So I was just like sweaty. Now like, my all natural DOD. I definitely can't talk to you now 'cause I stink. But I like had I was so excited to be apart. Do you wish you could read men's minds? I wish I could read my boyfriend's mind, call the time now all the time. But he'll just what do you think? He's nothing. There's nothing happening your head at all, right? Yes. Nothing happening. That's what you meant are not lying when they say, there's absolutely nothing. I'll be like going along my day than I remember like an eighth grade when I tripped in front of my cross and that like ruins a good hour of my life. Like my oh shit. I'm gonna go back touring yourself before. I let you go. You're going to be going to Africa Kenya. Specifically coming months. Yeah. What does that four? And why is that? So big for you. Well, I teamed up with read one organizations that were co founded by Bono. And I'm obsessed with YouTube. But I really have been been like involuntarily for a while. And I really liked what they do is. So I've been really stateside talking about like how they raise money how they're trying to get all the drugs over to Africa. So I really wanted to be on the ground and see where that money's going so speak about and more like intelligent way, like full way, really exciting going with a bunch of donors, and I don't know what to expect. But you've been before I've never been so Kenya. I've never been to Africa. So I think I'm gonna cry like an Oprah guy. All the things you must you you need to kiss the ground when you get kiss the ground you must conduct. Everyone's that you just that's all you do everywhere you go just what kind of and everyone would be like. Yeah. That's that's that's how we roll. I'm excited for you. Pictures and then come back and tell us about come back. Really, this is so much fun to queens as Fridays at eleven. To give much fifty Robinson. Everybody. Daily show cover Noah. Here's what's Valey show. 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Episode 1005 - Phoebe Robinson

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

1:30:02 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 1005 - Phoebe Robinson

"Hey, folks after five seasons comedy central's broad city is coming to an end created by. And starring Abby Jacobson and Alana Glazer broad city continues to capture life in New York while winning the praise of critics now that there are approaching the final episode. How will it end for Abby? And Alana broad city series. Finale is a comedy event. You don't want to miss watch this Thursday, March twenty eighth at ten nine central on comedy central. All right. Let's do the show. All right. Let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers what the fuck buddies? What the fuck stors? What the fuck is delic-. What's happening? It's Marc Maron. This is my podcast WT f-. Welcome welcome. How are you everything? Okay. You doing? All right. I'm gonna talk to Phoebe Robinson today. This is my primary socialite you're witnessing it. Also. I wanted to tell you about my buddy, Tom Rhodes is a comic I've had on this show. A couple of times we go way back. He was actually on episode one fifty eight and then more recently on episode nine eleven. He's done this epic comedy album. All right. I mean, it's like crazy. It's a culmination of him doing the international circuit for the past twenty years. It's called Tom Rhodes around the world, and it's free hours long, forty tracks recorded in twenty four different cities starting in Paris and ending in Jerusalem in during the arc of this thing his marriage fell apart. So it's very personal. It's very global is very unique. And you should go get it. You can get it on I tunes and Amazon and the vinyl version is coming out this summer. So that's Tom Rhodes around the world. This might be. The most epic comedy record ever made so Boulder, Colorado. Interesting thing happened. Nice lengthy show hour and a half two hours. Got loose gut. Ramle got Ricky and this hasn't happened in a long time. I can't say that these types of things don't have. Happen. But I'm always sort of a standard when they do boulders a great little city, and it was a great crowd. And I thank everybody for coming out to the boulder theater. I I do enjoy going there. The the drive was great, which I already told you about Lascaux. But I swear to you. I was on stage. Maybe ten minutes, maybe. And I'm just doing my shit trying to get, you know, get a toehold or get of little traction with the crowd getting a going, and this young woman looked completely composed put together maybe in her twenties, holding her phone just wandered all the way down the aisle and right up to the lip of the stage stood there looking at me with just holding your phone just standing there looking at me. And you know, obviously, the audience of eight hundred or how ever many were in their took notice. And it was awkward, and I stopped my show. And I said, hi, what's up? She goes nothing at what he basically that. I'm paraphrasing. And I'm like, well is there something I can do. She says, no, I just wanted to talk. And I'm like, well, I'm you know, I'm in the middle of of show. Maybe maybe not. Now's a good time. She's like, no. I think it's a good time. And and she's like can I just come up? She was she went to get on the stage. She was. Looking at me as if we were the only two people in the room, and there was a whole crowd there. And I and I could feel them starting to do the thing that crowds. Like, hey, come on what the fuck get out. Go. Go home, go back to your seat way. But I got this. I don't know what was up with her. But there's there was just as moment where like she's in trouble somehow because she's not cognizant of what's happening, and she didn't seem drunk. She wasn't stumbling. She wasn't swearing or speech. I know the drunk vibe. So my my initial gut reaction was, you know, she's off res-, man. And you know, there there's something up, and it might not be good. So I was diplomatic about it. And I was like I don't think there's a good time to talk. I have to do is show. She's like, well, I think it's a good time. And I'm like, you really have to meet meet. We'll talk later when we talk later. Let's talk later, and then security came down on might be nice. You know, I said to them as it just, you know, go go back to your seat or wherever you are in. You know, we'll deal with it later, and it was sort of like difficult to get her away. She need to be dragged. Or anything, but it was difficult to get it through her head. So I didn't I thought maybe a manic break, I don't know. And I still don't really know. But the fucked up thing about me is like I was considering I was diplomatic. And you know, there was really part of me that was sort of like, all right? Okay. What do you? What do you need to talk about? What what is? So like I had to fight that lack of boundary in myself in that moment. Whereas I think a lot of comics would just be like, you know, we'll just fuck off. You know, whatever may maybe not I don't wanna put dirt nasty emotions into the mouths of other comics, but he would have could have been handled differently. It could have been a little more abusive. But at a fear for her sanity. I and my own instinct, I just was like nice about it. But I do have to admit that. There was part of me. It's sort of like, all right? Well, we can hang out. Now, let's just get through whatever you need to get through. And I'll continue the show in a second. But that did not happen. And I I guess she was fuck up. I mean, they got some pretty strong weeding, Colorado. That's the funny thing about. Colorado. It was interesting. I was talking to a friend of mine, and I was mentioning that Colorado. It's recently not read, and it's not that blue, and it's definitely a white state and in a lot of ways, and it's definitely dug in conservative way. I mean, there are I believe focus on family is headquartered in Colorado Springs, and there's a air force academy. And there's definitely some serious conservative kind of mountain biking white people, which is look, I'm not judging. But the funny thing was is that when I was sort of like, you know, talking about Colorado in the broad sense of friend of mine was like, well, you know, they're pretty progressive. They they they got the legal we'd policy, and I'm like, you know, that that may be progressive policy. But it does not necessarily mean that it's progressive people. I guarantee you there's there's someone out there. Who says man I love weed, but I hate Jews. Yeah. I mean you. No, we'd is we'd crosses all boundaries. The policy is progressive and proactive in good in the weed was way. But let's not mistake free freeing the weed for making everybody a decent person. Right, right. Here's my other concern. Which I wanted to talk about for some reason because I don't know if it gets enough lip service. There's a bit of video on the Washington Post dot com and the title of it is GOP legislator praised Jesus for forgiveness before states, first Muslim woman swears in so woman legislator in Pennsylvania before a woman the first Muslim woman in this state. I believe yeah. It says, right? There was sworn in when to the mic in the preceding in the state legislature, and did it sort of rambling sort of prayer about Israel about Jesus about the country's foundations in Jesus about Jesus speaking, George Washington was it was like it wasn't quite speaking in tongues. But it was clearly Jesus Jesus Jesus. Don't forget Jesus because Jesus is important. And I need you to know this before this Muslim woman comes up. There's a lot of Yvonne. Jellicoe Christians in legislatures that that have come through the Republican movement. There's a lot of right wing Christian activists judges in the judiciary. And they've been kind of pushing along for a long time. You know there. There are the regular issues of abortion, which is a hot button issue in Christian circles, and and one that they have used for traction over the years, but but I think what is sort of unspoken, and what is kind of creepy to me. And I guess this is commentary. I don't know if it's essentially political commentary in in general ways at our president. He honestly doesn't give a fuck about policy or about anything. He likes being given information that he can twist in us to start shit. He likes starting shit, and he likes the people that like him and they're shit starters. And that's why they like him they push button pushers. So he's not really I don't think on top of or he's not abreast of the of the policies that he's being handed. But he knows that they'll they'll start some shit. Okay. So you know, where I stand, but. The thing that doesn't get talked about much is how many Christians are in policy-making positions and evangelical. Yeah, I don't want. I don't want to be condescending. I don't wanna diminish anyone's religion. I don't want to mock the myths that define anyone. But but there is a strain of of Christianity that you'll has a very specific agenda and the rub here, which I didn't realize until recently, sadly is that in order for Jesus to come back. The world has to end which means that means there's a lot of people that want the world to end because they want Jesus to come back more than anything, this is just logic. So my question is always been is there a chance that that policy is being crafted to accelerate the prophecy of revelation. So this would be prophecy. Fulfillment policy. That's being undertaken by the evangelical wing of this administration headed off by Mike Pence and Mike Mike Pompeo, and and you can see it in. Two different ways. In the reason why it's tricky in horrifying, you know, environmentally that if they're deregulating at just sort of breakneck speed, a not only for capitalistic intent, but also for Armageddon intent that there is this strange marriage, you know, demonic marriage and dove tailing of, you know, late stage capitalism and evangelical Christian eschaton prophecy. And I I guess to capitalists are hedging their bets or they don't give a fuck, but but they're on board. So this weird unification of like radical evangelical end time prophecy baiters and just sort of like, let's make the world free for any kind of business. No matter what had fucking does to the environment. And then we'll fix it. When the time comes maybe don't worry about that. Now, that's sort of nihilistic. And I imagine that the core of a lot of people that may not be religious. Who are you know? Fuck you Trump's to best, you know, fuck regulation. Fuck unions. Fuck the environment. Fuck the new green deal that they're that's the third arm of this momentum. Is that you have, you know, untethered deregulated capitalists, and you have just complete fucking nihilists who don't give a fuck and just want to see it all burn for no reason other than that. And then you have a fairly organized and driven contingent of of Christians who are like, yeah, we'd like it to end for very specific reasons because we've done all we can hear and I'm on one of the good guys. And I'm ready for heaven. Fuck this noise. So that was sort of it. And I think that's a way to sort of frame, the this sort of obsession with right wing Zionism in Israel is that, you know, Pompeo a, yeah, he's he's he's on Jesus. And you know, the the reason in in that framework that Israel is so important is that they've got to get that landing strip cleared. They got it. You know, there's a Temple Mount there's a the dome of the rock is built on it. The temple must be rebuilt in order for Jesus to come back. I believe this is this is the way it goes. I don't have it sitting in front of me. But either way Israel is important to the evangi right because it's got to be stable and good for the landing. The problem is is obviously most rational people are upset about the nihilists frightened for the environment. When it comes to the capitalist and completely terrified because of the religious fanatics. I just wanted to pay a little lip service to the religious fanatics to the prophecy. Fulfillment policy and the evangelical wing of the Trump administration just saying Hello put that in your head roll it around. It's all connected. Okay. Sweet. So listen Phoebe Robinson is she's got a podcast called so many white guys. That's available wherever you can get podcast in her books. You can't touch my hair and other things I still have to explain everything's trash. But it's okay. The book and they're available wherever you get books. And of course, you know, her from the two seasons of two dope. Queens HBO. They're available wherever you get HBO magin can still find that podcast around. But. I love her. She's great. But it's interesting in this conversation. We do we kind of we kind of breach the the sort of black and white thing a bit. And I were in a couple of things not not too heavy. I'm not sure we solved any big problems. But it was certainly fun talking to. So this is me talking to Phoebe Robinson. Nice to see what's get into college. In issue. Well, I mean, where are you at with your regiment? I so Vanessa Bayer term we onto this because we did I was just talking about her. She's amazing. I love her to pieces, and we shot this net. Flicks movie a visa and twenty seventeen and every morning. I just see her putting this powder like in her like oatmeal, Mike, what is that? She's like, oh, it's my collagen. Like, it's it's your skin. And I was like should I be doing that? Because I was like, well, I'm black. I feel like we skins always going to be five, but she's like he collagen. And I was like do black people know we need colleges. So now, I do it every morning, I have a green juice, the first thing I have dump a bunch of college. I don't know if it's working. Well, what what is the response from black people in general with the collagen? Why can't tell my parents? I'm from the midwest. They can play who the fuck are you a Neely were fucking turtleneck Dicky's? And now you're walking around with collagen powder. It is having taken collagen for months, and I don't know my skin looks good. It does. Well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But with lotion onto yeah. I'm that kind of man. Yeah. How can I ask you all you are absolutely not? Fifty five. You look great. If two five. Yeah. Yeah. If you didn't look gray. I wouldn't I would just breeze right past dot com. Turning thirty five and September. You're like a young person. I know I'm a baby. That's what I started to realize when I was reading through your book says going through stuff, and I'm like, I'm out of the loop. I like do you like why stuff? I do. I was getting laughs. How are you? But I'm actually I don't know. I think I'm an old man in the sense that I'm like what what does she what is this who is this? Really fucking people. What is this is interesting language meeting us is this. I didn't wanna be that guy. But I get the thrust of it. No. I think you very funny. Thank you. I appreciate that. Man. I was on your show, but you weren't there. No. I was like a kind of a bummer I was really bummed because I've been a huge fan of yours for a long time. And I couldn't be there because I was shooting something. Yeah. And I was just like this. Yeah. It was never gonna meet him now. No. It's funny because I got like the first book a while back the feminism's great. And it feels like that was the one where you're gonna do this. Right. Yeah. That was the last one I wrote and I kept paying off. And I was like kept missing deadlines. And I was like. I pitched this essay to my editor and the publisher and they were like we're so excited for this non Mike. Oh fuck. I can't cut it. Right. Because in the past if I was like, oh, I can't figure it out. I'm just going to cut it from the book. And I'm like, all right. They were. So they kept being like, we can't wait to see the feminism essay. And I was like oh shit. Yeah. So I spent maybe three days, and I just was writing writing, and I got a just vomited on the page, and it made sense and people a lot of people really like that. I'd say a lot which I appreciate because I think it's one of those things where you got to rain to win all this stuff. You gotta take a stand. And it's a stand against something that you're within. Yeah. And you got to you have to be your argument has to be solid. Yeah. Or else, you know, they're going to call you out. Exactly. Yeah. And so all the response has been good. They're supposed to be good. I mean, I think you know, feminism is anyone who had to read the book, basically, I just call out white feminism as being just as problematic and its own way. It's like the patriarchy or whatever, and you know, the patriarchy or whatever that should be the next book. Remember that you have that thing that whole thing. And I think what's been interesting now is like, you know, to queens is coming out. And so the night get new people who like didn't know before that or do like, the view or whatever. And sometimes when I call out white feminists. There will be like some like really angry white women your comments, and it'll be like I'm on following your work, and I'm like see this shit, and we make what are you? What do you think that's gonna -ccomplish? But that's, but that's also like point. That's the point proving the point. Yeah. You think I'm gonna I'm not gonna talk now because I wanna lose a white fan. It's like, it's so stupid. It's so dumb. And so people mostly get it. And I think it is. It's just based in fact, like like, you can't like argue your way out of it is how I feel about like we don't have to we can start lighter. But no. But I think that's always been a problem with white people who even call themselves. Progressives is that you know, when when I did talk radio on the left. It was like it just got to the point where it's like these people are just going to eat themselves. Yeah. And there's nothing there's nothing anyone can do about it. Because the personalities are show strong their boutique issues that you know, this is what defines our progressiveness. Yeah. And then it's just sort of like this fucking. It's a cluster fuck, and you just going to watch them tear their own selves up, and then you not come together to do when they need to. Yeah. That's why we have eighty five people right in the democratic side. I'm like, what am I ran? Love me. Why not do? Can do it. The comic who runs. There's always been one Pat Paulson was his old duties to run every year for yearly a comedian. He's run for president. What does it take to run for president? I have no idea to fill out a form. Yeah. And I think you just get enough. He would be like, yeah. I like you. You can run signed this dude on do it on the ship. Close to petition the signatory thing. And then you put it out there and see and you get and then you just you don't have to full in. Yeah. Kind of half ass it platform, that'd be fine. So how did I miss your stand up career entirely? I mean, it was I not in New York. Were you a different generation where Where'd you grow up? What happened? I'm from. I'm from Cleveland, Ohio from in in Cleveland, the suburbs of Cleveland. I'm I'm always my initial reaction to Ohio was always like. I don't I don't even know why I think it's because of the Republicans who ash opioid swish with conservative freak show that sort of undermines will it certainly did in two thousand and four I think it wasn't that the year. But I- every time I'm there like anywhere else. I go. I'm like, oh, there's there's good people everywhere. And there's there's one St. with the three restaurants on it. And it's very good by the club by work yet. I really do like Cleveland. I do think politically Ohio is not on the whole like what I find with. But yeah, grew up in the suburbs. My parents have been married. How does my brother got married? My mom was pregnant with him thirty and I just revealed that but anyway, who cares thirty seven accident. Or was it? It was just like all right? We'll step up. Yeah. You're what? That's how your Denver post. Got it. Okay. So they've been together thirty nine years older, brother. He married his college his college sweetheart back going, then you have two kids. It's wild. I I don't want out kids. Yeah. That's a big the end of my boyfriend. I've talked about that. And we both just don't want out kids. How you know you have a boyfriend for a long time. Now be two years in July the tour manager for rock bands. What bans right now, he's with the luminaires slasher. He's with Nico case. Would it do? Oh, my God luminaires. They're good. Have you seen them on? It's just funny to be biking with your obsession that now this dude that seems to be like just on the list of two representing some of the whitest people working in music. I saw them open for for Bano. Yeah. That's how I met my boyfriend. Yeah. It was at UT concert and Lumieres are open for my boyfriend's from he's from Bournemouth, which is like two hours, south of London English guy. Yeah. Tat's scene. Yeah. Yeah. He's cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is the guy. Yes. Oh, he's the one for sure really. He said really like why? I been through many relationships. Two marriages. I do not have children. Yeah. It just because it was never. I never really thought about it. Yeah. I've not the person for them. Yeah. I think it's a fine thing. Yeah. Have you thought? What was what's your thinking on? I. I just don't I see what I see my friends is he like when my parents went through it. I'm like, I don't have the capacity to raise someone the like the day to day will hear devil's advocate. You never get this. You'll know when you have one you'll show up. Now, I will I will resent. I'll be pissed. It'll be pissed, but your parents were supportive in loving, and you know, they read. Yeah. See for me. I just I having Zaidi about kids. I don't have like the ones that I could have had we're now in rehab and in their twenties. I I I'm worried about them. It's giving you didn't have kids. I think more people should not have kids. We have enough. Yeah. There. I think a lot of times he like, oh, you know, they don't tell you the whole thing. And I've had some friends be like I love being a parent, but it is really fucking hard. And like, honestly like, I don't encourage people to have kids. Right. But there's some people they just want you to be a part of the tribe. And I'm like, nah, I'm good. It's weird. I don't wanna like I better not, you know, like there's something that there's this. This thing that happens to people they have kids, and then they just sort of go into this weird almost zombie like state. Yeah. For at least a decade. Yeah. And then they come out of it. And they're like what I miss. Yeah. It's true. And weird. Yeah. And they're gonna hate I imagine on get some emails. But I mean, look I like kids for a few days. Yeah. They're fun. And I like hanging on my niece and nephew. But I like sleep. I I like being able to have twenty different jobs. I like that my boyfriend I can travel to see each other. I just like. The freedom. And also it's like not having a horse in the race. At this particular juncture in global history is not a horrible thing. It's not like you can have a kid who's to now and say like it's going to be great. When you get older you're going to be able to do whatever you want in the camp. So when did you a brother, he's he's living a normal life? You have nieces and nephews that's a nice relationship to have you can be aunt Phoebe and come over with presents. And then later, actually, it's perfect. Not do he is. So he works at a nonprofit city year. And then he just got into politics, and he ran for state rep in his district. Anyone really? Yes. They rep. Yeah. District six and he flipped it. It was read for sixteen years, citing. Yes. The first time. Wow. When you were growing up, your parents, political or what kind of house, you would you what they do my. So my mom is an encounter and my dad now he does real estate, but like they weren't super political. But my brother would he would just sit down and watch C span. Like when it was like, the only thing like that was there were two things on cable. How'd you brothers is thirty nine like, I would watch, you know, ally mcbeal or in living color, and you're a fucking watching C span. For pleasure for our even when no one was talking just people wing papers and walking across the floor. I can I tell you the amount of times. I saw that. I'm mike. What is this is like a shady Truman show. Like, what are we watching could so good? And I'm like, all right. Sure. They're they're they're they're voting on Bill three oh nine. To water related Bill. I never got it. But he he just is a huge political junkie always has respect people who really get off on the nuances of how the system works. Yeah. Because did you read that that thing about how most people don't know who Mike Pence is? And it's sort of like, it's kind of even really. Yeah. Even like, a large amount of people that even in the climate, we live in there's still plenty of people sort are like now get involved, you know, just go to work it'll work out. And you talk about that too in in that essay, which is the one I really studied. You're like, I read one essay fucking, visit eyebrows. I read one essay it was like black people black people. Feminism. Okay. This is a little broader, maybe this will encompass all the things that she talks about. Where do you stand on race, man? Do you? Does it make? No. But. Make you antsy to talk about it or not really, well, you know, when I do talk about it. The weird thing is is like in terms of like the one I underline something in the book, actually, two things. Oh, wow. Look at it that silence and putting your head down flat out unacceptable and only makes more visible. The fact that you're trying to remain invisible in the face of atrocities. Yeah. Fucking wrote that you did. Yeah. And and it's an issue for a lot of people. I talked to like Edo people who consider themselves progressive people. Good people. They're just sort of like, you know, it's like I'm going to ride this one out of y'all that'd be like, Trump sucks. And you know, this is bad. But you know, where do I stand in it? I tried to talk about it with people who wanna talk about it. I don't walk up to people and go like, we good is everything. All right. Like, I've engaged people in like I talked to DO hugely about him. But this whole idea of like black friends in knowing the black community and stuff I have two friends period. Do you know what I mean like so like I'm not out in the world. I I work with people of all races. And I'm like, hey, what's going on? But it's not in my day to day brain. But am I guilty of being nervous about saying something like you said it might nervous about saying? Well, it's very easy to not know how to talk. It's not I don't think I'm to say something racist. I know not racist. Yeah. But, but there is a point where it's sort of like, the self-consciousness right is going just your tone is going to be like, you know, can I say that? Can I say are we good, you know, like that kinda shit does happen in my brain? But but I, but it's not a day to day thing. But I do but even now talking about. Like, I was trying to do a joke. Like, here's a for instance, just from the act it's like, I'm not, you know out there in the streets. I think. And I'm not gonna just walking around trying to be inclusive. But I did do I was trying to do a joke about is it wrong for me to use the black thumbs up emoji. I will say this. I appreciate when my white friends. Do the that to me? Do you prefer me to do? It is it in neatly racially insensitive for me to do it. As like me doing it just to anybody. If you like did it to just referring like is you just do the thumbs up, but I just chose the I'd many color options. And then. Kind of. I think I'm okay with that. Really? Yeah. I mean because that's the kind of thing where I put it out there. There's like, I don't know. I don't know where this is going kind of like, it's an option. Yeah. I like that you chose that option. So it'd be like white the default. That's the only one I like that. You're like I'm gonna use a black. I'm used to all use the the Latino one. Yeah. And Asian one too. Yeah. I think it's a bigger question is is the yellow in the Asian one is is questionable the yellow one. I'm like, what is this dice? Why what's happening that one is weird? That you're doing that are used sometimes I use all of them like just to bring everybody in Gary excited in the world is excited with me. So I don't know where where am I avoiding the question. I don't think you're waiting in question. I think you're. Do you answered it as a white person? Which is I can tell you were nervous. Until you like, but you got through a new. Yeah. I think I think you know, you're you're trying to do do. What's right? Like if I don't think about it. I'm fine. Yeah. But but I do like you even looking through your book and just out of recently really thinking about the idea of white male privilege, white privilege. It's the truth is like I'm trying to work on stuff about being woke and acknowledging that I am a fifty five year old. You know, white, dude. Yeah. So I needed to be woke, and I really need to be woke and its process. It's not second nature. It's like it's not so much. Our thinking was bad. But it was off. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It was not it the the element that needed to be woke in terms of acknowledging white privilege was not it just wasn't engaged. I was just moving through the life, the assuming that everything was okay, right? Oh, this is just everyone has this sort of. A starting point. And you realize that's like not true. Why that you know, that it was always difficult for people of color? I was not completed fine that they just don't like living in this neighborhood. You know, I wasn't completed you. Yeah. But and I also knew about institutional racism, but I just don't think I really thought of myself as somebody who benefited in a way at someone else's expense or with that unfairly. Yeah. You know, I just made assumptions in a middle class Jewish guy. I went to college I wasted that time. There's a lot of people like that. There seemed to be other people working harder than me. But I never, you know, there were people go around. But I never thought that I was somehow guilty of something. I don't think it's that you're guilty of it. I wanna I wanna remove that. It's not that you're guilty of something. This is turned into like a fucking college. That's all right. All right to learn. But I think it's more that like in the day to day, you have certain advantages to that make your life easier like I fly business class. I just do almost every time. I'm at the airport s right? I get pulled out of line because they think I don't belong there. Really? Yes. But how does that unfold? I will when I went to went to I was flying in Dublin. And and I go in the TSA business line or whatever for whatever and one guy pulled he's excuse me. What are you doing here? And I was like business class on Mike show him my phone. He's like, okay, I walk. And then another guy pulls me on the line. He was like you don't belong in this line. And the other guy was like, oh, no, no, no she's business class, and I'm like. Yeah. Fucking and said, I was like this happens all the time. I get pulled out of line. Yeah. And it's just daily sort of like little things where people just remind you that you don't belong. I don't believe in. I don't know if you've thought about it. But I don't think that everybody is Neethling capable of empathy. I think that most people are self centered self involved and and not necessarily myopic, but but in their own trip right there in their own world. So certainly with I'm trying to talk about this a bit too on states, certainly with gender with men and women. It's literally impossible for a man to be truly empathetic with a woman. He has to it has to come from respect and listening. You can't really walk and you can't Ray. And I think it's the same with the white and black people in in what you're talking about. So there is this other thing that you have to engage which is understanding in. You know, what the struggle is in order to be empathetic? Yeah. Yeah. And then also understanding. This was because I started doing stand up put eleven years ago started in New York, and I was call myself a grinder like I was always just you know, I would go to shows. I would go home. I would like I was with soccer in come back around to it. So you you grow up in and you move to New York for seventeen I went to Pratt institute. Seventeen young. Well, I just my the way of that my birthday fell. Yeah. And I wanted to study writing I was used to watch film and TV all the time. I was a slacker in highschool until I've read the books watch that she watched that. References Mike like there's so solid. And I know they're funny. And I'm like, I gotta go re watch that movie. I I was I was lame. Like, that's all I did was just like watch and rewatch stuff with movies. You wanted to right. Yeah. I thought it was going to write like serious Oscar movies like I'd never wanted to do comedy. I never watched the end up like I like all of this is was not planned, right? Yeah. And never wanted to do. What were you like what were the movies that moved you the most oh to sort of probably seventy cinema selects square says as yeah. The conversation that sort of stuff I really was just like, yeah. That's like what I was watching our watching Gene Hackman, tearing the walls out apartment and place. Yeah. I was like, hi go. Right. That like, but that's what I was watching in. So I was like, well, I feel like I should move to New York. I watched his show Felicity, and it's about this white girl curly hair, and she moved to New York for a guy at wasn't gonna move for a guy. But I was like I wanna move to New York. I think that'd be cool. So I tried to get in y you, and then we're like your grades are fucking trash. So they rejected me, oh, I was like. Maybe a C minus student. I just didn't even kick into gear in the last year. That's what I do. I didn't care. I went to my brother, and I went to the site predominantly white high school. And I honestly I just went because he was going, and I just wanted to sort of do what he did. And he was like the cool guy on campus. Like every girl wanted to date him. He was like in jazz band. He did lakes. We shouldn't be like he was just like the cool, dude. And I was like not cool. I was just fill sister, which is fine. But I just totally was it took me a minute to like figure out myself. I'm like what I wanted to do so high school. I just sorta phoned it in and it was. I dunno. It was funny, but I was never registered anything other than just being sarcastic. But even there like the the idea that you were one of the few black people there. Yeah. Yeah. I was the only black girl in my grade. So I. Yeah. I see like, I if I have to think about what that would feel like. Yeah. And it's got you know, just like every day. Yeah. You're like, I I'm here. The one is here. Like, I can't. And you feel you feel different. Like, you fully feel different all the time. Yeah. Yeah. And on top of that, you're your woman. Yeah. So there's that part too. Yeah. So she's like double-whammy. Yeah. And I think in the long run it was very good for me to go there. But I think I had to sort of personally work out. Mentally, what that felt like to be the only black person in a room, and it felt weird. And I I wish I would have had like a nother blacker will migrate because I think that would have been like a good sort of lifeline. But you know, someone to be like this is crazy, right? Where exactly are just like, he just I don't know. Like, yeah. It wasn't like I was doing work study was like, my parents were rich. You know what I mean? So there's just like class wise race wise. It was not like on the same other people. So just did you experience actual sort of racism people were actually pretty chill? But also. Yeah, people are actually I think it's when I've gotten older and like being in the adult world, that's where that. What do you see do you classify overcompensating as you know, some like as a as a an antidote to an individual's racism, wouldn't they overcompensate as being is that more annoying in some? Yes, it is. It's it's like, I don't I'll make you don't have to be. It's like if I get into a car and get into a left, and they like immediately like change into like fucking Bruno Mars. I'm like. You were you were listening to I don't know Moslems min whatever the band is listened to that like they don't have to change it to Jay z because I'm in the car Fink. I liked it. Yeah. And I'm like, I do like Jay z doesn't. Yeah. You can leave it on some, you know, indie, folk, whatever. Yeah. So. Okay. So you you're there, and you're funny, but you're not you're not thinking you just want to go to New York, New York and right serious movie. And I and then I got to to Pratt, and I ended up being like a straight a student like I really just is what I wanted to do. I was like all right. Yeah. And they did drink short films. No. So I do like a lot of like Ryan like short stories short scripts, and then funnily enough I joined when I joined my improv troupe maybe sophomore year, we had like just like a random like informal, improv troupe on campus. And like, I think like Chris Gothard came to teach us one one day. Like, it was really cool. But I still. Will never I was like, oh, this is a fun way to pass the time. You you didn't know about that world. Yeah. It was just sort of like, that's cool. You want to right? Yeah. And there was this whole teaming world of funny people out there that you've you just started to see. Yeah. And then I remember had Nori Davis. Who's amazing Ciano comic? He was like you should you should do stand up. And I was like, oh, oh and do that stuff. What did you ever like stand up? I saw before I started in stand up. I saw like a Chris rock special an Ellen Degeneres one maybe Margaret show, and that was it. And I was I will say I was like into deigned cook for like half a minute, which I know people energy a lot of energy. I stand by the first album holds. I don't know if it holds up, but it held up when I listened to it. It was exciting. Yeah. He's all worked up about little things. Nice. I love the casual drag. Great at you are really good to have my damn damn. He's been around a lot of people because he knows how just fucking asshole. You don't even realize it. Where's that guy? My boyfriend's like that Brits are really good at that. Are so good at being condescending here like they're doing it anyways, just by the way, they talk. So when they really do it. It's like, oh, that's that's a that's a nine. They're always at a three. That was like one of the big sort of cultural things with my boyfriend. And we first started dating I thought he was always being condescending. And he thought I was always yelling at him. And I was like. This is my norm. This is like New York like everyone is really passionate. If you're gonna say everything say before you're allowed to talk again. But I'm not yelling. He didn't get it. Your personality has to operate at the same frequency of the city. Yes. Exactly. So he'd be like y all you and your friends is yawn angel though. I'm like, oh, no, we're having a good time. We love each other. But he thought I was like verbally just screaming at like, I love you, man. You're yelling. And I noticed like sometimes I will be like literally berating him with positivity. And I've caught myself being like, I'm just yelling at this, man. Yeah. Yeah. Berating posits a horrible thing. Yeah. You are. So fucking good. God. Dammit, you or something you great. And that's what I did fucking love. You man, you're so he'd be like why are you screaming mean, he's like, I don't know. If you love me right now. I'm feeling subtext. But yes, so I did I did improv. And then when I graduated I was like, I'm still work. I couple of film companies. And then I worked I was receptionist said new line cinema. And then I was like an executive assistant at picture house. It was like. It was like it was like a division of new line. They folded now they're back. And I it wasn't as I hated it for what reason I don't wanna be in an office nine to five. This is about here office dynamics, just job just like clocking in every day. Yeah. I was like this mall talk. Hayes you watch that last night. Yeah. Both experienced it. And then back into on dead. That's it was just like a whatever. Like, we're just talking about nothing. I don't know. How people do. Yeah. It's brutal and a friend of mine who lives in San Francisco now, she was like I'm going to take a class at Caroline's. And I was like no, I don't want to do that. And she's like you hit your job. And I was like, okay, everyone you were funny at this point where you writing that where you putting out stuffy were writing. We're no, nobody. Oh, no. I was so miserable at my job. Like, all I like stopped writing. And this is after college is after college, I was twenty two twenty three. I wasn't writing anymore. No. And then she died inside. I think I did no one ever said that to me. But I think it kinda did where I was just like, I guess this is it. It's worst thing that happens in all types of things. Yeah. Right. Because if you don't know really what you wanna do or you don't have the courage to do it. Right. Then you kinda surrender like relationships too. I'm like, I guess this is it. You know, I could get a little better. But you know, this is what most people do. Yeah. And that's what I was like, oh, just like work my way up the corporate ladder. And I guess I'll be like an exact nothing happened to shatter your writing dreams to that degree like jumped into. I was just like I just didn't think that I could perform like I just was sort of like this is like the path that people take you just get like an off the curiosity. Yeah. You get an office job, you work your way up. And then that's just like what you do. What was your parents angle? I think my parents they were pretty much like do whatever it is that you want to do. But I think I think there was sort of in an inkling that I wanted to perform when I started doing improv. But I would never admit that to anyone it was just like, oh, this is a fun way to pass time or make friends. It was never like I enjoy being on stage. Yeah. It was just like friendship bonding. Let's see like when I was coming up there that wasn't sort of like, we can take an improv class or stand up quest. Just to learn how to you know, be better. Out in the world and talk. It'd be a fun to do. Yeah. Yeah. But it was just like this is a fun escape from Mike your office job. And so them as he was like just take this class. It's only eight weeks Linda Smith is a teacher. She's great. She's amazing. I way back with he's author. I literally did my first open mics window Smith in Boston. Really? Oh my God. And that's why Jesus that's like nineteen when I was in college. I did a few open mic before I got out of college. She was like in the mid eighties. That's I loved her. She was great. Yeah. So great. And so I was like all right. I'll take this dumb class. It's eight weeks and I'll go back to my office job. And then the first the first time 'cause like our first assignment was to like right, five minutes of like, whatever. And we were like any kind of like this. It felt like a room that just had like an AA meeting that led out. And then they put the standard class like the chairs like in a half circle was like an empty doughnut. Caroline's it wasn't that Carolina. So it was like a small it was like some random small like room, and I touch the microphone. I was like, oh, my I laugh it was like some dumb joking. I remember like this is interesting is interesting. You take it for granted. Now that first time where you like, you know, you hold the thing. And you're not sure how to hold it. But it's like it's like power, right? You take it out the Mike. I was like, oh, that's cool. Right. And it was nothing that that's special. But I just like, oh, I think this is this is what I should be doing. So immediately was like I just started going open mics writing again. Right. Sorry going to open mics, and then I got late. So that was July two thousand eight not laid off from my office job, October two thousand eight and I'm big like the Univer. I'm pretty I'm like, not like religious. But I really do believe like the universe is always talking to us. And we just have to listen some always looking out for signs. Yes. Upset right now. It's fucking wants to kill now. Working on it. Yeah. And I was like, oh, well, I got laid off and I got this mall severance package, right? When I found the thing is supposed to be doing with my wife. That's a sign. Oh, so you're like things happen. The way they're supposed to still just double down. I did like open mics, and I like had shitty. Temp jobs, and I. My weirdest one is I tempt at MAC cosmetics, and their their whole things everyone has to wear all black. You can't wear any color. They'll make even attempted. I'm like, yes, you have to go out and by all black clothes and no one eight no one eight there. I will say what the fuck is is a cult. It was so weird. And it was only like three weeks, and I was like, oh, no, I don't want. No, this is insane. But I could not believe like I would go because I was like early twenties. And I was like, oh, I can like still you like shit. So I would like go to Wendy's and bring back my shitty fast food. You could just hope people were like horrified that I'm like eating still have Wendy's. I did too. I remember I was in high school when when the first Wendy's open like when the chain started. And so it was like I'm pretty sure I was like it was late seventies. Maybe. Yeah. And there was one we could walk to from my high school and. Those greasy square burgers like the double cheeseburger there were so good though. Good. Oh, I remember. I remember when they put salad bars in the Wendy's. And everyone was like. Yeah. Yeah. Great exciting time. Yeah. Inside we just eat like, my shady greasy food temp. And then do stand up a night. Yeah. And I would do like biker bars and Staten Island how the fuck does that happen. How adding all of the things I've done a lot of weird gigs. Whatever starting now. But like a biker bar on Staten Island with someone some comic ad that game. Yeah. So he will have like a bunch of us like go with him. And it was just kind of this like, and they did not give a fuck that. We were there. It was brutal. But you need that you need to get those. Yeah. Yeah. You need people not caring at all. You remember like the feeling of the first time you go to Staten Island. You're like, it's kinda scary. You're like people without here because you hear things about Staten Island. It's just weird to flake enclave. Gangsters retired cops. Firefighters there's a jump there. And you're like what is who lives out there? It's like suburban. But then like there's no one on the streets ever. Like, it was just weird. Yeah. Yeah. Did a lot of that stuffing on so much debt? Yeah, it's good that they didn't give as opposed to give a fuck in sub level. That's weird. When you do those one nighters that are not at comedy clubs, and it's a comedy night and he walked in. And they're like, yeah. Just over there. If you wouldn't put up the people, they'll come maybe like, okay? Yeah. All right. And you do it the weird thing about I don't know if it was the same experience for you that we're thinking about those gigs. It's like you give it your all. Yeah. Because you think you're like I'm going to turn them. Exactly. Yeah. You're not gonna turn them. But then I started like this Manchester pub was a bar midtown. And I started hosting like, I think the twice a month show there. We got paid and like chicken, wings and beer. And like that's just like I was just grinding. I start like getting work. Mike. Did you start doing which clubs? Did it? Let you inventory. I I'm now just slowly starting do clubs. I just doing like Indies shit, right? Like doing festivals? And just like so you came up in the on the in the all team. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let's come back to where we were which is that feeling of of like, you know, when you started doing comedy in New York, and you know, in terms of being black. Yes. In that world like the different like that. Isn't it? Different. But it's still like a bunch of white dudes who think you don't belong. What do I see the audiences even on the HBO show? Yeah. It's like pretty diverse. Now getting there with the first one was pretty white. No. I this is what I will say I think the way the seeding was done was to made the black people sitting back. It'd be made them people sit in the back. But I think they wanted to feel like. Roy their white people who like this. Oh, that's what they were hoping. That's. It's for everybody. Exactly. I think that's sort of like what it was when I was like, it was pretty pretty diverse crowds for both seizes but. I think everything I do stand up is the most nerve wracking thing for me in terms of the community. Yes. And I've always. And so this is like what what I was trying to say earlier that circle back to. So I, you know, I would for example, like I had a day job. Like, oh, I do like some open mics, and I go home and write and I do like my blogging or what like I always like a bunch of jobs because I like a got my my own apartment. I was living by myself by one eighty three New York, and I was just hustle. That was just like my thing. I'm like, you gotta hustle. He's starting though, isn't it? It's really exciting. But I was like so focused on like, I just got support myself and York, my parents can't afford to help me out like I just got to make it happen. And I would notice I was doing like some open mics. I just was noticing like how toxic the energy was and with the cynical bidder. White, dude. Yeah. And. Just like everyone's Ragnar everyone or like, oh this person like bombs like gets a fucking open mic. Like, why why are you being like people were just being so mean to and I was like this is fucking stupid like I don't need this. So I like sort of stopped going to open my excite just like starting like my own shows, and like was trying to find other shows where where there's like in a restaurant or like an like wherever so doing that. And I just encountering so white people would be like some white comics. He'd be like, oh, you think you're better than everyone else? And that common was only ever said by other white comics. And I was like I don't think I'm better than everybody else. Like, I just am mentally me being in a toxic environment. Everyone was change other like shit. I didn't like, and there was a lot like I would get comments. 'cause I don't hang out. Like, I'm not a big drinker. I never drink before. I go on stage. Like, pretty sober. I didn't wanna call myself a square that's just like. It's just like not my thing. Like, I don't mind having like a glass Rosa afterwards. But like, I'm just like. I get it. That's an interesting observation in that. You know, in the sense that when I grew it when I came up. Yeah. Yeah. It was a bunch of miserable. Fucking dudes. Yeah. Who were you know, who would talk behind each other's backs? And like, you know, secretly get excited when someone was tanking. I saw that. Yeah. And like I I do a bit about it on stage. It's like, you know, like when you hear that like at the comedy store like there's a laugh that comes out of the back when a joke tanks, and it's it's very specifically at comic lab, and it's not a real laugh. It's always like that in like in. That's how you know because they can't even laugh at anymore. They're just excited. So what's failing? And I. That some sort of like, you know, rush. But I mean, you know, I acknowledged it. And I there's I guess what I'm saying is that there was a way of behaving in place that was essentially toxic and probably still is. Yeah. And it was just because we were all kind of like selfish roguish, you know, angry dudes who were trying to, you know, get at this. But but you the pressure to fit into that. Yeah. And I'm like, why don't want to sort of rag on someone if they bomb like, I'm Mike. We're I want to be like bronchitis. Shitty. Yeah. We're all figuring it out. Like, it just became this weird. Like oh. Well, this person sucks in a Mike. We all suck man. That's what you're we're all year four all suck. So like me achy like this person's garbage. And I'm a mate. I like I just didn't want to do that. So the mentality of I just couldn't get into the like sometimes. You know, if I do wellness show like comics talk to me for him. If I do all show, sometimes the male comics win talk to me, or like, they wouldn't acknowledge me then I do well and show then they talk to me. And I was like this is all fucking as this is terrible. Like, I see. When a woman or a personal color stops doing stand up comedy. I always get it one thousand percent. Oh, I go. Yeah. It's it's it's hard because it's just like you are like I would rarely. I will usually be the only one of me on his show. I've had people say, oh, we can't have another black person on the show because I make it weird like foot lake it fully just like like, it's casual yeah. Your mike. It's not weird to have to block people show with the fucker we talking about. But just the sort of gotta mix it up for white guys. One. Two black people. Then it's happened happened. It's not fair a weird ethnic night and Mike what that's like the shit. I was dealing with. And I was like, I don't I like stand up comedy. But I don't like stand up comedians, and that's how I felt for a really long time because there was just so much like shitty behavior. Then I would sort of like started talking about people on my why are you get infected? Yeah. And I was like no don't do that feeds. Don't don't be that. Yeah. Yeah. I know I you know, again like you because of how because of my part in that. Yeah. And that, but I was always the most toxic. Because I was jealous angry. Yeah. You know? And it's just you just fester like ice start to rationalize it like you have back, then or even you know, in retrospect that you know, comics are essentially people that don't at least my generation, the they they fundamentally did not fit into society. Yeah. You're they made choices that like either they were in it for for women or they were in its they could be borderline criminals in just do could smoke weed all day and wander around and sweep until new. Yeah. And and be on the road. So they I always saw them as you know, gypsies and rogues who were just like missing throw pick freaks. Yeah. And and I thought my head will. That's that's what comedy is. That's who we are. They when Justin I started to. Yes, we start in part because I did improv New York. She didn't LA and only always thrown by white people were like, but we know tons of funny people color. We know funny. Queer people. We know funny. Women select warranty on these shows. And so we were just sort of like. I think what happens a lot of times. It's not about. It's about the fact that we're just not seeing right? And so a lot of times those groups that are marginalized just aren't even considered at all in if they are it's on ethnic night. Yes. Exactly. Then you're like, well, I could do stand up at this club any night of the week. Right. Do you know anybody, and it's sort of like like, I remember when I was blogging for a while that anytime anything something black happened. Okay. Do you want to write about this? Unlike dude asked me you fucking right about YouTube. I can fucking right about that too. And if feels very much like you're just putting me in a box at that's my only value is to be this black person who can represent all black people. And so when I started to queens, we're like, well, we just know so many hilarious people. That that aren't the aren't mainstream or represented. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like just having them on. And so I think there's a way to go about inclusion that is not condescending. And I think people confuse that interesting. If inclusion means a were bringing in people were unqualified, and it's like, no, inclusion means opening your eyes seen that. There are people who are just as valuable as you are rightly don't look like you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I you know, I as I said, I'm guilty of these things. Yeah. You know, I had a writer's room that was all dudes, you know, for my show. Yeah. And and you know, it was you know, it's it's like wasn't even that great. I don't know. But but it comes down to that same fear. We were talking about that that the the desire to not self check. Right. So like when you asked me about race, like do I get self? You know, kind of like do I like what does the word? I'm looking for, you know, just sort of like check myself before I talk, and like the the idea that like if I'm going to write a room full of dudes, you know, we can be like whatever we're going to be just fucking dudes. You know, talking about bullshit making jokes. And then if like the the idea that if we had a woman in their one, then we can't talk on our Dicks much. Like, what is that? Yeah. It's like, maybe you shouldn't. Yeah. Maybe it's not necessary. Exactly that comfort zone might not be the best thing. Yeah. But I think people have to learn that I don't think that it's an eight for everybody. I don't think anyone comes into fully woke or fully perfect. And you know, I just think now I try to be more aware of like everyone who's because it's very easy. For each like, I just I remember when I started my other podcast, so many white guys like interview show, and they have one token white guy that interview at the end of the each season. And I remember, and I try to have a pretty diverse where like have like women people call queer people just like a really big mix. And I remember I had a couple of people who tweet at me who were like, I'm disappointed that like, your guests are all black. They just wanted to be like an all black show. And I was like well Diversey to me is not just only black people being in room. I'm like there are hundreds of races. And I feel like a lot of times entertainment the the race conversations. Just black white man's. If there aren't like, you know, Indians, Asians routine x all those people. So I was like I wanna have it be diverse. I'm like, well, this should just be like all black us. And I'm like, well, then go make that show. But it was this weird thing where people just like irresponsibility and almost like, well, I want to bring everyone along. So I I don't know. I just think everyone. Has to find their own comfort level. But I think if you're actively not preventing someone from an opportunity because they don't look like you. I think that you're, you know, doing something, right? It's not terrible. Yeah. I think it's on them. But I think you could have probably had a woman in the writing writer. No, I I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Like, so. Well, that's that's the thing is that, you know, guys like me or people like me, you know, what what what's required is just to walk around with a modicum of shame. About how you behave and try to correct that. Yeah. And I feel like there. There's things ways that behaved in the past like aren't great. And I want to correct that you know, what? I mean. Let's everybody. Well, what did you glean from from doing that show from that podcast? What the reason why I started is. Because I remember I'm really close as Abby and Alana, and I remember when broad city was coming out. I have them on them cereal. Yes. I remember that episode. It was like the cutest thing. It was so sweet. I was like that's a dad move. That's very cute debt move. And I remember when they were interviewed on like a lot of shows and people will be like, so you're so your girls you have your own show. And you're like that that's the question. That's the fucking research. She did that they have the giant us, and they have a show, and I just was see like all these interviews. It was like them or Janet mock. And it's like, so you're trans and I'd be like these interviews are just ushering them. And like the only thing that's interesting about them is that they're not the interview. Like the interview sounds like let me just talk to people about just their lives, and who they are not making like, you're Asian right, right? That's wild rose later talking about I'm guilty of that. I'm guilty of that. You have done it with me. So I appreciate them. No. But like, I learn weird lessons. Yeah. I like, I did it with Mindy Kaeling because I'm I'm I just I'm so fascinated with Indian culture. And then you do I don't know much about it. So I just I assume that she would tell me, what are you? That's why they have Google, man. No, I didn't like in the moment. Yeah. I didn't see anything wrong with I see. And that's what you learn in those conversations is that you do there is a reason to be a little gun shy. You know? You know, in terms of what you're about to say, he has like you have to be like am I doing that am I of the ring them in my seeing them as something a Representative of of some mystical world that I don't understand is a white guy. Yeah. As opposed to just a person who's got a life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you wearing the hard way? You don't do that you. That's I was just like. No, I, but I there's some parts of it where I think there is real curiosity, and I don't I don't think it can be misplaced. But I think that the nature of us all being people is one thing. But people do come from different lives, and they are sometimes Pacific to race. And there has to be if you're curious you, okay. You can Google it and not everyone is a Representative of that community. But, but it is it is an honest mistake. Yes. To sort of right people in that position. You're like the five thousand white person to have done that to her. Do you know what he means? Like every time I go into a new space. It's like all eyes on me. And it's like. Whack people doing class get out your books. There's going to be examined two weeks. And it's just like that gets tiring. Yeah. I guess like. Yeah. The cultural, you know, sort of responsibility put upon. Yeah. Gets tiring. But oddly. Yeah, however, you handle that. Yeah. Is going to be informative to the people that are ignorant of what they're yeah. I'm I have to my customers. I am. So fucking polite. I have to be because I can't be like the fucking angry black woman who goes fucking nuts. And Verizon some just like excuse me, ma'am. I just need to speak to your supervisor. Like, I am. I don't talk this way. Don't fucking say, ma'am. But that's what I gotta be. It's it's tiring. Yeah. Yeah. You're you're tired. You're seeing your face. You're like, oh, man. That's what it's like all the time. Sucks. Yeah. The great things about being black. So it's like, it's like, okay. It's wrong as balances out. I think palaces out. Yeah. Yeah. You talk there's one there's another essay in your book about how to avoid being the black friend. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's sort of in the same area. Yeah. How do you know that's happening? Well. When it's happening. Yeah. Sometimes you don't know. And then you show up to show up to a party. You're like oh shit. I'm the only one here. I gotta get the fuck out. There's a lot of that. And you're just like, and I don't think people are going. This is my black friend like I did it. But I think there isn't sort of like, well, I made contact with once I'm I'm good you ever, you know. And so it's just. It's fucking. It's weird. Yeah. I don't I think I think a lot of times. I don't know. But like, I imagined some people are just insulated in their world. And it e you know, they feel like they do need to can have hurt. Like, it's there's an innocence to it as well. That like, yes, you know, if you're just wherever you're working, or whatever you've just around or you life is just you know, a dozen white people, and you have that moment where you're like, I gotta go. Guy got a broaden my. Yeah. I know that one girl. That's like I'll give you. This example. It was the live in Brooklyn with my boyfriend. We put our names on the list for this restaurant and had to like, wait a half an hour. See went down the street to this bar and we walked in. And he was the only white person there, and I could tell he got a little. He just got a little like the way that I like, you know, get he that's all he got. And I was like do you feel uncomfortable? You the only white person here. His like, yeah, I do. And I was like that's my fucking life dog. That's how I was added. Meet his family. I went to the UK for fucking eight days, and I was the only fucking black person anywhere for eight days. And I was like that's how I felt meeting your I don't know these people I had to impress all these fucking white people in your life. And I'm like, that's me. That was good. But I was like I'm tired. As I tired who just a Holy See white people, and they everyone came up anywhere touching my hair. And I was like thing. Yeah. Don't touch my fucking ear. And I was just like in. He sorted got it. He was like. Yeah. He was like it just it feels weird. And he's like, you you just know that you're the only one the room, and I'm like, that's that's my life. Right. He got it. But like, you know, it's it's a rare event. Yeah. It was half an hour, and it had a UFC match with like to white people in the screen. I'm like, you're you're fine. Wipe Hebrew doing what they do. Exactly. But yeah. And so just being I. Now it could be exhausted. I it's funny about the hair thing, I had one of these moment. Like, it's weird like some little moments that can hurt your feelings in a moment. But you know, you remember them. Yeah. But I was sort of happy how I handled it. What did he do? What did you do? There's this woman who is, you know, working at the comedy store. I she was not a comedian waitress, and she was intense, and like, you know, an artist of but she had shaved her head completely. Yeah. Yeah. Like it was drastic. And it was shiny. Oh. And like, you know, I saw her, and I don't really know her at all, I know, but I see her at the club. And I was like I wanted to put my hands on her head. But no. But I said can I put my touch your head? She's like, no. And I'm like, okay good for her. But in that moment, I'm like, oh, but but it's like, of course, I'm glad I asked. Yeah. If you had a you just like fuck in palm or hand like a basketball, but people do that. Yes. Because they were like oh. But like, you know, and I think sometimes a lot of this woke shit comes down to simply that respect of like, you know, is this. Okay. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Still touch my hair. I'm not gonna. Yeah. I didn't think anything should. I appreciate it. Yeah. So what? So when's the new season start Tito points? It's already out. It is. Did it? It's on. The whole thing. This whole generation of things happening. I just don't know. How did you hear me though? I knew of you from comedy. And then I knew the book, and then I knew the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. I never know who I don't either knows who I am meeting. Only mean. Yeah. Yeah. Most people don't know who I am saying. Yeah, it's people know who you are. I think this is the little this is a little like fo- humble moment. You're having. I don't think. So I like it if you think about it because of the media universe. We live in in the big picture, the I'm not Kevin Hart. Yes. So there is that we're zone. I got all these things out there. And if you're not I don't know what they're walking into if they're walking into any of them. But like I got ice on Twitter today. People. I I just found your podcast because I saw you on the Simpsons, and this is ten years in. So it's not the way you gotta hit show. Everyone's going to who I am. You really don't. So you walk around sort of when people are looking at your your there's that moment, you're like. Yeah. It's me. And then you realize it looking like that. I've had that. I we went to a delicate girls weekend for birthday in Vegas for my birthday. We're all hanging out the pool, and this guy came over he liked he came like he looked like he knew who I was fully like he was going to say something. Nice. And then he just can't want to be like, oh reclosing the pool in two minutes and need you guys to get out of here. And I was like. Yeah. I have no idea who they'll fuck. I or you're right Kuku cuckoo cuckoo. Yeah. To queens. It's still. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Love that show. They love the pockets. Stop that the podcast. It wasn't hard. Because I MO I never liked to do anything forever. I know. But don't you feel? Was there an issue of like like on some level it like it reached it probably reached a whole there's probably a good chunk of the people who was in the podcast don't have HBO? Maybe don't watch HBO or like like you had to really say to that audience. Go get HBO. Yeah. Which? Yeah. Fucking help me by my house. They did. Yeah. How you guys me by my apartment in New York. But I just really just now we're just getting so busy. And I was just kind of like, I don't like to half ass anything. Oh, yeah. And when you're doing it when it's your job. That's your job, man. Yeah. Here on a Sunday talking to you. I know you're and like, I'm sure you were rather be just relaxing on a Sunday doesn't happen. Yeah. I got a record every time. It's just that shooting. I have to do the interviews. I don't mind. I don't have a sense of days of we. Yeah. But we just got to a place in an I know for me personally. I just didn't like if I can't do it. I just rather just kill it. And we've on so all right. Anything else bothering you? How do we handle this? All right. What you the interview? I think it was great. I don't know if I like said enough about what about my? I don't know if anyone knows any more about me than beforehand. What do you think's missing exactly is there a part of you that, you know, we're not discussing? No, I I I'm really not. I will say I'm not that interesting. Like, I'm not my I think you are. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I think it's been a good journey smart and your funny and your writings good, and but like, I I guess what see if I have any more questions that maybe I'm filtering because of what we've identified as my. Yeah. What's asked me something that you think you are scared to ask me. I'm not really scared. Do you think there are people that really don't see color lines? No. Yeah. I don't either. That's the craziest thing that's ever been said what I just said. No, no. When people are like, oh, I don't see color. Mike. Fuck you talking about. Right. Of course, you do you? Maybe there might be a spectrum of how you judge that. Yeah. But you in what's your like blind? Yeah. Or you do see it. You know, what you do with that? Initial information is the whole other thing. Exact right. But that's sort of. That's a I guess that's probably a white person invention. Yeah. Of course, of course. Let's welcome back said it. White people are just. Yeah. Man. It is just like, yeah. I just I just wanted to be able to do the comedy that. I wanna do how people in the room who are just different from like, that's my favorite thing was watching a comic. Who is? So like I love watching tick Navarro. I will never be like her. I will never tell commie like her. And I love that. I love watch people who are so different from me. She's like her own time zone. It's great. I've known forever. And just like every time you're around. You're like my fitting in reality. Right. Yeah. It is. So great. I love that think there's so many people want they just wanna see themselves. And I'm always like I wanna see people who are different from me too. I like good story. Yeah. I like, I I have a sort of a secret love of goofy shit. Yeah. Why like people who are naturally physically funny? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they know how to really work it like to me. That's a fascinating innate ability. Yeah. Of of people that are just like either uncomfortable or even somebody like Kevin James who was just sort of like he's just worked up in every part of like easy. Just moves. He's funny guy people who can just like physically just Biondi. I love that. Yeah. Because like, I'm such a heady, dude. You know, and I can be physically funny. But some guys just it's just so natural. And it's a I always I always impressed with that. Yeah. Who are who do you like you have? And then to I love watching baron Vaughn. He saw them like, you know, we're we I interviewed him. I was hard on him for a long time. Wow. I think we talked about on the podcast. Okay. I didn't hear that. Because like, and he knew it too. Yeah. Like he knew that I sort of put him in the actor who wants to be comma category. Oh, come on. That's not him. No. I know he. Yeah. He turned me around great on your show. And oh, yeah. He's very good with the voices. And he's not physically. Yeah. I love him. I love Michelle Bhutto. I haven't seen. I haven't seen her in so long. I remember I remember when she was like, I think the first time I met her. She was like must have been like a long time ago. She's been around for a while. Yeah. Right. Yeah. She's awesome. Yeah. She's she always like, we just like FaceTime wearing Zik cream, and she just fucking kills me. I'll just be like screaming in my apartment with laughter. I fully obsessed with Alli Wong, and I tell her all the time. Yeah. She's great. I feel like sometimes I talked to her like a fan like a mosaic. You're just so great. And I love you. And I really watch us Lisa right together. But she's so he's so wonderful. You wrote together where soon when she lives in New York, we would just like meet up like a coffee shop and so home like work on bits. And then she would like go do her show. And I go you, and it was just like, she's so great. You guys are workers. Yeah. Oh, he's a worker. I'm a worker. I'm a grinder. I always have people say, no like that's part of the reason why I started to queens is because I couldn't get it writing job. No one would hire me for warm up. It's no one was interested in me at all. I was like all right. I'm gonna do my own thing over here. Like I've been around so long though, you just sort of see people's process and how they're going. And then you wonder it's sort of like are they going to evolve out that 'cause there's sort of steps to people coming into themselves. You just sort of wonder like is that one going to keep turning or is that going to stay there? Yeah. It's cool to watch someone find their voice. And I think it's amazing for a long time. It took me a while to find my voice. And then I think a lot of it was just hard to get confidence is took me. Yeah. Twenty five years thirty. Sure, you had your voice way before then. No, it was angrier. And it was defensive it was anger. And and white get some point once, you know, people started to appreciate what I did. Like I can walk on the stage now. Fearless. Yeah. Especially if it's my people, but yeah. Other like even more it's sort of just still starting to happen weird way. Because I think a lot of the job for a lot of years is just pretending not to be afraid until you you can really but to walk up and really be fearless. Yeah. I mean, that's an amazing moment. And it didn't happen to me for years. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm I think I'm almost there. I just really so went lot. I we did our stand up tour in two thousand seventeen we just like co headlined together because I was going to quit stand up. Like, I was like, oh, just due to queens thing. And I'll just be a writer, but I I don't want. I don't know if I wanted to Santa here. And then I went, and I did it and I was like. Oh, I'm good at this. And I think I was so hung up on. I don't know if I necessarily do stand up the way that certain combat. Yeah. Any meat? So I was like, oh, my not go because I don't do it the way they white guys doing right? And then the hand and be like, you don't have to do that way. He can sort of kind of look anyway that I want as long as it's representing. I believe I still do that to myself. I am I don't do it like certain guys do it. And you know, but it's okay. You know, when you see somebody who who kills all the time, or who has, you know, big success, and they're like, they're different than you, primarily it usually comes down to like, they write jokes. Yeah. Why can I right Joe? Yeah. And like after certain point, it's like, you gotta be like, this is my process. I do all right with it. It's not maybe it's not the most disciplined or the best way to go bout it, but it's what works for me. And after you've been doing something like for thirty years. You're like, what are you going to sit down and write jokes? Yeah. Like, I love. I love listening to Jerry Seinfeld. Talk about the process. I'm also like I'm not going to do that. Yeah. I'm not doing that. I have to I have to wait till something hits me on stage. And it's the best. But that's like some sort of compulsive thing. I mean writing jokes is such a it's a beautiful thing. And and I love good jokes. But it's a real control thing where if you're up there, and you've got an idea that, you know, it's funny enough. Yeah. To get the laugh, and you're not sure where it's going to go. And that thing had nowhere just comes in. Yeah. Because in that moment, you like I got, you know, you wanna be funny in that moment. And then all of a sudden, you've got your tag. But you don't know where it came from. Yeah. You know, it came out of you. But it came out to you and. Moment, you know, that you know, you had no control over. It's the best. That's the best. I love I love doing that way. And then I was for a long time. I was like, well, maybe I'm not like a real stand-up because I don't sit down and write like two hours a day. And then I had to be like. No. That's not the way. I think that's not the way I talk. I am in no position to judge. How people approach you know, what they do on stage. And really stand up comedy as a job is a thing that has a history. And and it is what it is. But you know, in all honesty, there have been from the beginning of of modern stand up. There have been plenty of storyteller. There have been plenty of people that work in different ways. You know, how it became this sort of Seinfeld? Ian, or or or you this idea you have always been stick guys in joke is, but there's also been long formed dudes, you know, as far back as the fifties. Even if you listen to Lenny, Bruce who people don't really listen to reference him. But they don't I mean like it was hit or miss, man. And it was, you know, long form an odd and esoteric, and it's just at some point. I accepted that you know, it's a very broad trip. You know, and what you in. There's going to be guys it or like, that's not real stand-up. It's like it is though. Yeah, I'm up there by. Myself getting laughs fuck off. Yeah. That's stand up. And the great thing about now. It's like, hey, I don't have to be for everybody. I be for my people. You know, fuck off. You know what? I mean. I think it's like you. You have to sort of talk to people who are quote, unquote, different from you. I don't feel different from you that that's one saying like when I when I on the drive here. I was a little nervous. I was like listen to the podcast like he's really. I'm like, I just don't know how we're going to relate. And then I got here. Now, my oh, it's fucking fine. We're talking about collagen powder. Like, we're we're the same d you know, what I mean that with every. Yeah. Every interview I have my cough way. What am I? Yeah. And you're like, we're just walking people. It's fine. Well, my my big it's like when you talked about preparing for Gloria Steinem that. I've done that before with certain people that you know, 'cause you want to afford them the respect they deserve for who. They are. If they are that type of person, I want to respect everybody. But there's some people it's sort of like I got some ground to cover some shit has to be talked about. Yeah. When Michelle Obama, I prepped for two and a half days right now. And did it what paid off from that process all of it? Or did you were you sort of like, I didn't have this easier than I thought it was in what I think it did was there was no way that I was gonna fuck it up because I was so prepared even if her and I didn't hit it off. Yeah. I think there's no way this is not gonna. To be good because I know this woman in her book inside out. And so to me it made me reinforced, I think sometimes people who are slackers, and they around someone who works really hard. They're always like, oh you calm down. You're prepared too much. And it made me go no bitch. You're you should prepare like that for everybody treat everybody like Michelle Obama. Yeah. I think so, but but sometimes I think the the liability that is also the same. As is the joke writing predicament. Yeah. Is that if you already know the answer, you're gonna get and then, you know, the question you, and you know, what the answer to the question is, you know? I it'll lead to thing in a certain way in might you might deny yourself like some organic moments of like, why are we talking like, you know, like when I interviewed Barack Obama. You know, I had to prepare because I had an hour. Yeah. You know, it wasn't going to be a fundamentally political interview. And like I was jammed up with that shit. Yeah. And he walks in and starts just busting my balls. It's great. Yeah. And I was like, okay. Here we go. It worked out because you know, you you make yourself available for that. But I don't think it's bad to have all that shit in there. Yeah. And then, you know, like, I think like I really enjoy this is all Mike. We're just hanging out. And it's not like how did Tito queens. Get started inside. Who cares? No, one cares. How it got started? Yeah. It's more. You know, people go watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm doing that. It's like not going. Well, yeah. Yeah. So it's good that we're just sort of able to like just talk about. I don't hang out with a lot of fifty five year old white guys. Yeah. So am I this is great. I've made contact. Yeah. We did it all the problems. We've figured it out guy. God, I'm glad y'all could witness. For doing it as much. That was a good shot that was fun. It sounds good in here. I keep noticing that. Maybe it sees new headphones. I don't know. But yeah. Go to my my tour page WTO pod dot com slash tour for those England dates that are coming up the UK date. I'll just I'll just go through all the dates. Can I would you? Let me April fourth at the Lowery and sulfur England. Staff might be sold out Royal Festival Hall, London, England, April sixth. They're definitely tickets for that the rep theatre in Birmingham. England, April eighth their tickets vicar street in Ireland April eleventh Dublin some tickets wet April eighteenth nineteenth and twentieth. American comedy company in San Diego comedy club on state may twenty third twenty fourth and twenty fifth in Madison Wisconsin, Vermont comedy club, June sixth seventh and eighth. In Burlington, Vermont those are sold out helium and Saint Louis June thirteenth June fourteenth and June fifteenth. I think there's tickets for that and a good night's comedy club in Raleigh, North Carolina has been shifted because of an engagement. I have to do. So Raleigh North Carolina's. Now, August one two and three if they're still he world. I don't want mean negative at the end there. I think I've got my tar hooked up. So now, I will play for you. Here's some guitar meditative. In. Boom. Our lives.

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"Support for fresh air comes from avian the payments platform built to help your business grow, accept payments, in-app in store or online with Adnan a. d. y. n. dot com. From WHYY in Philadelphia. I'm Terry gross with fresh air today, comedian Phoebe. Robinson co founder with Jessica Williams of the comedy podcast and HBO series to dope queens, which showcases COMEX who aren't white guys. Robinson also host the podcast so many white guys. She has an acting career to and has learned to read the coded language of casting calls when it's clear, they are not interested in casting a person of color. All American is white, beautiful, but dozen. No, it is way Robinson has a new book called, everything's trash, but it's okay. I'll submarine cardigan reviews the new novel, Washington black about a runaway slave, and we'll hear from the book's author SE Dugan who will learn tomorrow if you won the man. Booker prize for best novel of the year written in English and published in the UK that's on fresh air. My guest comic and actor Phoebe Robinson is the co host and co creator, along with Jessica Williams of the comedy podcast to dope queens, which also had a series of HBO specials this year. Robinson also host the interview podcast, so many white guys. She was a writer for the TV series Portland area. And next year she'll be in the movie what men want stirring to Raji p Hinson Robinson's book. You can't touch my hair and other things I still have to explain was a bestseller, her new book, everything's trash, but it's okay. Is a series of funny conversational, personal essays on subjects, including being a feminist nearly getting a victim when she was going broke, trying to make it as a comic going from a four year relationship to being single again. And then being in a relationship again and what it's been like as a black woman to be an interracial relationships, Phoebe Robinson welcome to fresh air. It is a pleasure to have you on our show. So. So you started in comedy about eight years ago? Ten years near, okay. Okay. So what was the gender race atmosphere in comedy clubs like for you, then? I think it's the same as it is now. It's a lot of straight white guys. Some women, some people color few queer people. You know, it's a very white straight male dominated industry and. That can be exhausting, I think is probably the most polite way to put it. There's just a way that it seems like a lot of the white streak is want comedy be done, and if you don't do it that way, if you don't do sort of the hanging out that you do, I think he can feel sort of lonely in a way that I would say almost none of the other things. I do writing acting to queens that that stuff doesn't feel lonely, but a lotta time stand up Phil's incredibly lonely for me. We know you're right, that male comics talk all the time about their body functions and their man parts. But if women do it, it's considered growth. So what kind of reactions did you get when you were starting in comedy? When you started to talk about body issues and things like menstruation and we'll out of, you know, men in the audience? Yeah. I mean, I think just I just wanna to be clear that when anyone starts doing stand up like your full trash, you know what I mean? Like you. You're just like not that great. You're really sort of coasting on personality. You're hoping your jokes are kind of funny, and you know, I've been doing comedy for ten years, and I think I've finally got into a place where I can I curse is I allowed have to bleep it so. So why Bob, I don't want to do that yet. I don't wanna. I don't wanna do it. I'm not low Wayne. Okay. I'm not gonna curse. So I just really got to a place, you know, I think honestly, the place I got to happened when I went on tour last fall with Alana Glaser we did our QA tour across America and we were both kind of being like, oh, we're funny. We've been doubting ourselves this whole freaking time. And a lot of that has been informed by the fact that we have different energy, they'll allow the male comics. We carry yourselves different. Maybe tell jokes in a different way or different style. And we were beating ourselves up in allowing that sort of kind of patriarchal sort of energy to affect self esteem. And then I was like, yeah, I'm good at this job. I was gonna I was going to quit doing standup honestly after that tour was going to be like, all right. I did one stand up tour. I'm done. I won't do stand up anymore. I don't fit in. And then I was like, why? Why are you allowing this to overpower you. Okay. You also say in your book that you made jokes, when you were starting that you wouldn't dream of making today. Can I put you on the spot and ask you for an example of a joke you wouldn't dream of making today? Yeah. Had this one joke that used to do pretty early out. I took all my early like up clips off YouTube because who needs to see that train wreck. I don't. I was just Dunkirk it up. But anyway. So the joke basically is I was watching the slavery documentary with a white frame of mine. Got like really awkward and house at all. Don't worry about it. I 'cause I'm mitre skin. I would have been in the house and it always gotta laugh and I will like go and like make jokes about, like, you know, me and Thomas Jefferson always just kind of like. Now my are you kidding me? Dog why governor make? It's so ignorant. And so just kind of like y- you know, when you're earlier like, oh, I got to be provocative a half to be edgy, a half to like if I'm going to talk about race, have to do this crazy way that I think is never been done and make people uncomfortable or make people like really just like kind of laugh out of shock rather than laughing out of. I truly like enjoying that joke thoroughly, and that is a joke around my, maybe you like just don't need to joke about slavery like that. I'm sure there's a great slavery joke, but I haven't cracked that nut yet and I, it's fine for me to not tell garbage ones in the meantime. So you talked about your discomfort and comedy clubs performing when you start it out and it took you till like last year. Yeah, I know like you can really do it, but you and Jessica Williams started the comedy podcast to dope queens. And you know you, you also just talked about wanting to do comedy in an environment where we're queer people and trans people could come and not feel like they risked being the butt of a joke, but that's how it is on to dub queens. I mean, when you and Jessica Williams, who's your partner on that? Show a put it together? Like what was your goal in terms of the kinds of comics you wanted to showcase because it starts with you and and her, you know, talking in a funny way by things that recently happened to you and then you bring up several, you know, stand up comics to perform it and it's done from a theater so. So what was your? What was your goal in terms of showcasing comics and creating a type of environment for the audience and for the performers? The fact that it's on HBO now we started working together for years ago is truly bonkers, crazy, banana sandwich, and the best way possible. And when Justin I met in just even before her her and I met, I just always known as I will wash late. Night shows and it usually be, you know, straight white guys gains opportunities and every once in a while I see a woman or every once in a while, you see like a black guy, and I would just see happy like, okay, yeah, all these people are fun. I'm not taking anything away from the people that did get those spots. But I'm like, I'm surrounded by so many funny women. So many funny people color. So many funny queer people who might not get those same opportunities to submit their tape to a Booker to get green lit to talk about different things from their perspective. And so when Justin I met, we were just kind of like we know so many whole areas, people who don't have maybe the platform me, they can to express themselves in a way, and we're like, well, would be really dope. No pun intended, but it'd be really dope to not only have a show that sort of showcases, you know, my improv injustice, improv abilities, both singular and together, but also use the show as a platform. To just bring our friends along, be like, we're supporting everybody. This is a show for everybody. If you are funny, there's no reason why you're not gonna be on this show. And I think a lot of times he would just here, you know an industry. Oh, they're just like our jobs are earning funny. Black women are. We just don't know where to look and I'm like that. Thanks doesn't five th meeting where there are so many talented, amazing people. And if you're not booking them, it's either out of laziness or the fact that you really don't care. So you're pretty successful now in comedy, and with your podcast and the HBO specials of two dope queens for years, you made next to nothing as a comment? Yes. Yeah. And you were getting done in calls from the student loans that you owe nearly from your apartment, but you were given a reprieve of like several weeks or a couple of months to raise the five thousand dollars that you needed to stay in your apartment. How did you handle the anxiety of not being able to pay your student loans? And then not being able to afford to have an apartment and nearly being visited. Yeah, you know, there were a lot of tears just like not being able to sleep at night. There's a lot of feeling like a failure of feeling like maybe me trying to pursue comedies a little nutty because I really didn't start making a really solid living at doing comedy until eight and a half years in and. You know, I was kind of like, well, maybe it shouldn't take this long. There are other people around me words like not taking them eight years to like sort of like, you know, get their career going the way they want it and you know looking back on it now I'm just kind of like you can't control when that happens. I think, yes, it was kind of irritating that it took me this long, but I think I was so fully ready for the opportunities that arose by that point. So like you know, to queens being an HBO didn't scare me having to write a book didn't scare me. It's like, okay, I've been blogging and writing for three four years making what fifty bucks a blog post. Okay. Yeah, I couldn't this writing. This book is going to be hard, but I'm not going to run away from it. You and your brother went to a private Catholic high school, and you said that you were one of two or three black students in the whole school, and you're the only black person in your graduating class. What did your parents send you? There was only black girl in my graduating. Okay. Okay. Yes. So there was four for way? Yeah, four of us black students in the garage in class and was only black girl. You know, my parents are huge in education and they are just like that is the key to everything they were like if you wanna have like a really full happy like fulfilled life education's away the go. So they send us a Gilmore kademi and it was my brother totally like excelled. And you know, it was like an a. student in like Mr. popular and like truly just like, rocked it out, and I was a hot mess. Like I like was such a slacker. But yes, I ended up going to go more and I was kind of a co Steed. Not really like living up to my potential, which infuriated them so much. But yeah, they, I think they just want us to have like all the advantages they could possibly give. Us in life, and I think in thou was kind of like a crummy student there. I think I did learn a lot like did work study there. So I think from like a young age like fourteen fifteen, I always like was learning. You have to earn your keep. You have to like work hard to be able to be in the place that you're you're in. So when you weigh the discomfort of being like the only black girl in your graduating class with the fact that you probably did get a really good education, how does the balance come out. I think in the end, I think it was worth it. I will say a would have been nice if there was another black girl. Am I grade? I think there was like one black girl in my class, and there was one Indian girl and one Asian girl, and I'm sure we, you know, not to be like it's nice to have a matching set, but it would have been nice if we could have each like, you know, look to cross, you know, during mass and saw someone else who looked like us. When are we talk about like representation like Diversey? I don't think sometimes people fully understand how hard it is to Nazi yourself, especially if you're living in society or culture where you are so reflected at every possible turn. I think it's hard to like, imagine what it's like to not have that in. So you know, I, I do think that like if there was like a Tudo Queen. Means that would have been a game changer for me to just like here to wack. Women like young black women LL on Mike thirty four, but I'm like, hey, young, black women. But you know, to hear to like young black women talking about all this one time I got my hair done at the salon and they did this to my hair and like totally like mess it up. I couldn't talk about by black hair woes and high school with like Laura. She doesn't know she doesn't. She just wakes up and she has. Flawless. Like straight here like she didn't have to go through what I had to go through. And so I think in the end it worked out okay, but I did have to do a lot of work myself. I did have to kind of be okay with being outnumbered in a way and not letting that make me so sad. And then also I think I was very lucky to be a child in the nineties with like militia, you know, Martin family matters in girlfriends and all these sorts of shows where you can still see, you know, like Tracy Ellis Ross, or I could still see like Queen Latifah or can feels and be like, okay, cool. So I could kind of see what I could be. Like if I was, you know, an older black woman, you write about body image in your book and you say, yeah, since you were fourteen your brain has been consumed with all the ways. Your body is like not good enough, meaning not attractive to straight dudes and for failing to meet fashion industry standards and say, even age thirty, four with a deeper understanding of how we've been conditioned to have unhealthy. The relationships with our bodies. You're still kind of fixated on it. So how have you tried to overcome that? Because it sounds like you're like intellectual knowledge of how women have been expected to conform to certain bodies standards is at a different place, then you're just kind of visceral. Like I gain too much weight kind of feelings. I think that everyone has that sort of battle inside themselves about something whether it's body or you know, I'm a writer with no other analogies. Great. Moving on. But you know what I mean? There's always that thing that it's like that you you mentally, you know better, but conditioning still makes that self-doubt comment. So I think what I have done is I have chosen to be focused at energy like I'm getting back into exercising, but not like I don't have a skill in the house. I'm like, it is not about a number if you're just going like I need to make sure I'm strong enough to get through the day rather than I wanna make sure I look in these pair of jeans a few more powerful the little bit of experiences. The have gotten with like styling and doing like these photo shoots. And again, these are champagne problems. I just want to preface I know that. But there they'll be like, oh yeah, we only have a size four, and it's like that is unacceptable to me to only have a size for is truly ignorant and inexcusable or go to these, like shoots and I tell people. I'm a ten twelve. That's just what it is, and they'll be like, here's a six. It's like how dare you. Truly it's like how dare you be like, oh, we'll be confining, thinking your size, you didn't look. 'cause I dressed myself every day. I dressed myself every day and I find everything I need. I, this sort of a wheeling have zero to four. So you either fitting now or year, you're screwed is not how you should treat anybody would do these fittings and ninety percent of stuff I wouldn't fit into. And every time I didn't fit in something like, I'm sorry. I apologize. I would apologize after every single outfit invalid. I'm so sorry. And I'm like, they knew what size I was for weeks before I showed up I, it is not my fault. I'm the size that I am. There's an afterward and ident him to your book. And part of your book is about being single and the ups and downs of being single. Then the addendum is I have a boyfriend now. Well had to be f- at the time I turn this into my book editor, so you still together? Yes, we are still together. We, we're going. We're what fifteen months, sixteen months. Pretending like it's a child. Months or doing very, and we just moved into gather. His, he was from Portland, I think living in Portland and you're in New York. He's originally from bull myth in southern UK, and then he moved to Portland's a now. He moved to New York for me. I do my terrible British accent all the time for him and he, he loves it. That's at all. So you were a single for at least two years in between serious boyfriend. The person who you're with now, what have you learned about yourself from the periods where you you were single and lived alone? Before I met British bake off, that's what we call him before I met him. I really just was I really love romantic comedies. And I, I really was like, wanted to have that moment in my life where I'm Mike dating this guy, and then he just is like gives his verbal approval or whatever about me and is like, you're, you're amazing. And then that would make me realize, I'm amazing. And then we will have this happy life together in. So that was like one of the biggest lessons was like not looking for this great relationship to sort of define me or make me realize that I'm lovable. I just had to sort of figure that out for myself and be okay if I don't date someone for two years or two and a half years or five years. And if I haven't found my soul mate or my partner by the design me that I'm a terrible person. You know what I mean? It's like all these value systems. You like place on yourself and it was all predicated on what someone else thought about me, never. Once they check in and see how I felt about myself. Did you have to learn how to fully enjoy yourself when you were not with somebody, whether it's going to a movie by yourself or having dinner by yourself? And just feel like I'm consuming this. I'm watching this and I don't need somebody with me to fully appreciate the experience. Absolutely. I mean, I I did all that stuff where I just and you always think like you go out to like a diner or a movie, go by yourself and you think everyone is just like dropping like you're at a restaurant, everyone's dropping their forks going. There is a woman single by herself. Ain't nobody. They're all like focus on their keen wa. They are not thinking about you, you know, and it was just was so sort of like self absorbed Brown, Mike, everyone's judgy me for being single and yes, there are certain people in everyone's lives who will like judge them for being single, but it was just kind of like, who cares big whoop, am I not gonna enjoy my life and my just going to put my life on pause until I find a partner to do stuff with my guest is Phoebe. Robinson co host with Jessica Williams of the comedy podcast and HBO specials to dope queens. She also hosts the interview podcast. So many white guys, how new book is called, everything's trash, but that's okay. We'll talk more after a break. Maureen Corrigan will review the new novel Washington black about a runaway slave. Then we'll hear from the author SE Dugan who will find out tomorrow if her novel has won. The man Booker prize. I'm Terry gross, and this is fresh air. The following message comes from NPR sponsor the laga nita's brewing company. 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You get mail or queries from black men wanting to know why you're not with a black man. And then you write funny when I'm single, these same black dudes aren't asking me out. So elaborate on that for us. Well, he now I just want to preface most of my life is me not getting asked out like, this is not. You know what I mean? Just to be clear. I'm not riana. We're guys are throwing themselves at me. So I just think Giral Mike, not getting asked out a lot, and I used to just be like, I will just wait for a guy to ask me out, like I really was sorta and my my mom didn't teach me that sort of Kuku behavior, but I was like, I'm just going to wait for a guy to, so that's like truly how I was dating. And I would just wait for someone asked me out and if no one asked me, I. Wouldn't date, which is so ignorant and also like what you talking about. You got a job, you could ask people out. So you know, that's just really where I was in. So you know, I think interracial dating is just really tricky for a lot of people because I think a lot of times people want to find a reason for why you're not dating within your tribe and I'm always just kind of like you just meet who you meet. And if the timing is right, like I met British bake off at a YouTube concert l. o. l. truly like hilarious because his band was opening for you to at the time and you know, we sorta hit it off. Ninety nine even right away. I was like, I don't care about this guy like focused on you U2.. But like eventually I realized British bake off was I kind of dope, and then we just ended up dating from there. But again, that was not just wasn't preplanned. I like, didn't even like really give him a second glance way. I met him so. Mentioned that you and Jessica Williams host to queens. You have your own podcast called so many white guys in which you interviewed people as opposed to doing stand up and I interviewed you, and that was really fun. I really enjoyed that a lot. I was really glad I did that. So I, how did so many white guys get its name? Well, because you know, most podcasts are hosted by white guys, and then they interview other white guys in you're like, cool. You're gonna have we're gonna have steak and eggs every day. Okay. Enjoy your life inside. Just kind of wanted to be like I'm gonna poke fun at like there's so many white guys, but actually the thing is there's only one token white guy for sees in the rest of the episodes are just women, queer people, people color in those like the majority of the gusts. So now that you're starting to be cast in roles, do you look at. Casting calls or the equivalent, and you write something very funny about that in in your first book, but are there kind of casting calls we'll, you know, know that they are not. They're definitely like not entertaining the idea of having a black person in that role. Like is there any kind of coded language that you can see when a black person would even conceivably be cast in the role, the lead you're like, oh, so the lead's going be Renee, Zellweger. Cool. Okay, so I'm the best friend. Okay. Kuku who I got that. You want me to sound like this. Okay. I'm not going to do that, but I think there were two big things that I, you know, when I started acting like pretty recently, I had to have a conversation with myself before even like going to my agents or whatever. And I was always like, I don't want the thankless part of a wife, answering a damn phone call from her husband and giving. Him some motivation. I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna be on the other line being like, you got this baby. I have no agency, no life. I'm just at home holding unfolded, laundry, I will never you will never see. I, I hate to use the word never, but you will never see me on screen holding a basket of unfolded, laundry, I will not do if you were living alone and doing your own laundry. That would be perfectly fine. That's okay. But if I'm Mike on the phone with Channy Tatum and he's out, you know, freaking saving the president and I'm at home stepping on a LEGO with folding his, you know, gym shorts. That's not the part for me. You know, I think the language in a casting call is like. All American is white beautiful, but doesn't know. It is white. And then usually OB like open to all ethnicities is when you know that that is a, that's a role that's the they envision someone not white doing it, but it's like all the roles should be open to ethnicity. Do you know what I mean like there there is no reason why it took, you know, twenty some odd years for there to be a crazy rich Asians. There's no, there's no excuse for that. They could have been leads and romantic comedies this whole time. And so whenever I see that stuff always I think about like 'cause avenue since she's five as long as it's not inappropriate terms of language or sex, is this a part that when she gets older, would I be embarrassed to show her that I did Nino naming? And so that's kind of always like sort of my needle and how I operate in. It's it's hard being an industry where you know if you're not the mainstream sort of thing, you're just not going to be considered. But I think on the flip side, what's great right now is that this is an industry where creators shine where they can swim, where you can have. I can ISA Ray. You can have, you know, a Phoebe, Jessica due to queens, you can have Abby and Alana. You can have all these sorts of people sort of just creating their own opportunities in their own lanes. Phoebe Robinson is just been great to have you on our show. Thank you so much Terry in honestly, this has been a delight of my life and we gotta hang out. I know we're supposed to see Bruno Mars together and we couldn't do it. No, because we're both working. So yes. So just let me know if you wanna see def Leppard, who do you want to pass on that one. Let's say you're, yeah. Yeah, you got the tickets. Phoebe Robinson's new collection of comic personal essays is called, everything's trash, but that's okay. After a break, Maureen Corrigan will review the new novel Washington black about a runaway slave. Then we'll hear from the author SE ado, Jen. This is fresh air support for this NPR podcast, and the following message come from the American Petroleum Institute. The natural gas and oil industry is becoming more tech every day through innovative technologies such as three d. mapping and machine learning. The energy industry is committed to environmental progress and building a better future to learn more about how natural gas and oil are turning brainpower into horsepower taxed, energy to seven, three zero, seven, five SE ado, Jen is a Canadian writer who's third novel. Washington black has been shortlisted for the man Booker prize an award given annually in Britain to a novel written in English and published in the UK. The winner will be announced tomorrow. We'll hear an interview with do, but I our book critic Maureen Corrigan has a review. She says, Washington black is a vivid travelogue through some strange territory. SE ado Jin's new novel, Washington black opens on wretched terrain that will be familiar to anyone who's read slave narratives the year is eighteen thirty. The location is a sugar plantation in Barbados. Our narrator and enslaved eleven year old boy named George. Washington. Black wash for short, tells us that the old master has recently died wash is now standing to attention as a carriage carrying his new master arrives. He's a pale sinister looking man named Erasmus wild, looking at him, wash comments. He owned me as he owned all those. I lived among not only our lives, but also our deaths and that. Pleased him too much readers will naturally anticipate that a tale of brutalities small moments of grace and Ford escape attempts will follow except that's not quite what happens. Insured order to escape. Attempts here are successful wash breaks away from that plantation via a hot air balloon. No less and SEA Dujin also breaks away in her case, leaving behind the confines of the conventional historical novel and transporting readers into the giddy realms of romantic era, travelogue and scientific exploration in Washington. Black ado jn has created a wonder of an adventure story powered by the helium of fantasy, but also by the tender sensibility of its aspiring young hero wash black. Let's backtrack a second to that opening scene at the plantation. The new master is not the only white man who steps down from that carriage. His younger brother Christopher wild nicknamed Tich also a lights. He turns out to be a rather decent man of science who's brought along the materials to assemble what he calls a cloud cutter, a hot air balloon attached to a boat like gondola Tich, enlists wash as his assistant teaching him to read. And in the process discovering that wash possesses a skill for executing detailed scientific drawings across the color line the to strike up a kind of friendship so much so that when it seems likely that watch will be killed in wrongful retaliation for the death of a white visitor to the plantation Tich fire. Up the gas canister cuts the ropes that tether, the cloud cutter to earth and together the two ascend into a tempestuous nighttime sky, I began to cry recalls wash thinking of this extraordinary moment. The air grew colder crept in webs across my skin. All was shadow red light, storm fire in frenzy and up. We went into the eye of it, untouched miraculous. If only that escape were the soaring conclusion to wash his adventures, not just the beginning, but inevitably the friends attempt to float above the consequences of race springs a leak, and their balloon comes crashing down too hard historical realities. A multitude of plot twists in Sioux taking, first washing Tich, and then wash alone to the Arctic Novus go. OSHA London, and even to the bottom of the sea, certainly much of the pleasure of reading Washington black derives from ado, jen's ingenious storytelling, gifts, but her novel is more than just a buoyant. Bauble wash is weighed it down throughout his travels by the burdensome question of identity. For one thing, he can never predict how other characters whether they be black or white will see him. The prize scientific education he received from Tich elevates wash, but also makes him a curiosity much like the solitary little orange octopus. He captures on his underwater dive to later exhibit wash resolutely places his faith in science to advance human enlightenment. But midway through the novel, he experiences a harsh awakening. I had long seen science as the. Great. Equalizer wash says, no matter one's race or sex or faith. There were fax in the world waiting to be discovered how little thought I'd given to the ways in which it might be corrupted by human beings. Washington black is an unconventional and often touching novel about the search for transcendence above categories. As she tries to do for her hero wash SE, do Jen clearly aims to carry her readers up up and away. Moran Corrigan teaches literature at Georgetown University. She reviewed Washington black by SE ado Jen. Now we're going to hear an interview with the do Jen. She's a first generation Canadian whose parents emigrated from Ghana. Her last novel, half blood blues was about black jazz musicians living in Nazi Germany in the nineteen thirties. It was also shortlisted for the man Booker prize and won Canada's prestigious literary ward. The Giller prize. She spoke with fresh air producer, Sam, brigger, SE do John, welcome to fresh air. Hi, I'm really pleased to be here the plantation of your novels and Barbados. I gather you do a lot of research for your work on. Did you find that plantations in Barbados where much different than the ones in the United States. You know, I'm not. None of a full-blown historian, but you know, given my readings from my sense of things, it seems as though life on plantations in the Caribbean was much more was much more brutal. This is kind of ironic thing to say, but the sense of preservation of of of one's workers. You know, we're more expendable. So the cruelty was, you know, the death rate was much higher. The the conditions and circumstances of slaves lives were much more dire, and you know, quite horrific to have to to do that research, but very important for me to show what that was like. The main character of your book is George Washington block who goes by the nickname wash, and he's a field worker on this plantation. But one day he gets a call to go serve the at the main house for dinner, which is a terrifying prospect. But the master's brother is there is name is Christopher wild. It goes by Tich. There's a lot of nicknames and he's a naturalist and he's building a hot air balloon, and he requests that wash be his assistant Manley just because he's like the right wait. He's as for ballast for the balloon. And it's a moment that changes washes life forever because a bond forms between him and this, this white man teach and teach will eventually help wash escape. But it's such an arbitrary moment and such an arbitrary change in this in this boy's life and that arbitrariness forever haunts wash. Christopher does choose Washington because he sees him as being helpful to his experiment in that he is, you know, precisely the right wait to man is ERO stat, which is, you know, kind of cruelty in itself to to look at somebody and think that of them. But then Washington really surprises him. With his natural gifts like he has no, no idea. You know that this, this young man is just completely, you know, so naturally, gifted at at drawing, and he has a good sense for aeronautical methodologies and all of this. He really comes into his own under Tich. But you know, there is that sense. And part of what I was trying to suggest explore into character is although he's an extremely liberal minded man for his time. You know, there are limits to his to his thinking that he is in a lot of ways, still tethered by a certain ideas and notions of thera-. You know, he's an abolitionist. So he truly has a very general belief in the rights of man. It's kind of a very prescribed belief. But in terms of applying this. This personally to people, it's it's a little bit more difficult for him, right. Has argument for trying to end slavery is that it slavery won't allow white people to get into heaven if they allow such cruelty. Yeah, that's one of his, his main ideas about it. And you know, this is kind of central to his philosophy about life, but having said that he somebody who very much does feel a great affection or comes to feel a great affection for Washington. And so there's that dichotomy in his personality that so interesting to me. So they'll wash escapes from slavery and the comes a Freeman, he was not free from the time he lives in and you know, is haunted by his time on the plantation. And I think one of the points you're getting in the book is how much freedom is available to someone born into slavery and also how feared the people complicit in slave. This economy. Yeah, exactly. I think that Tich for instance, likes to believe that because he has these enlightened ideas that he is because he's actually trying to do something to end slavery itself. You know, I think he has a sense of himself as being quite a moral person, and he goes into the world's with that feeling about himself and feeling quite good about his place in in the world. But he's not really thinking about the fact that for all of his scientific pursuits, this is being funded by slavery, and he's kind of turned a blind eye to that, and so he's profoundly affected by it because he wouldn't be able to do what he does without that dark commerce going on. And also his family relationships are all tangled because of this. But by no means is his suffering anywhere near the suffering of somebody like washing. Who is not free. He's bodily, not free his psychologically, not free. And when he becomes physically free, his somebody who is still not free. He's obviously suffering from having been born and raised in vaunted Degen. He somebody who when he goes out into the world, he is still who he is. He's a piece of black man. He's a man who's been disfigured as well. So he has that a sense of being physically marked when he goes into the world and being recoiled from an awful psychologically piece still trying to sort out what that means to be free. We're listening to the interview fresh air producer, Sam brigger, recorded with SA Dugan, author of the new novel Washington black, which is nominated for the man Booker prize will hear more after a break. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. I'm from each raid, you want to invest your money, but there's one problem you're not sure where to begin. Luckily there's each raid each rate simplifies investing without the financial jargon. Plus they're easy to use platform. Keeps you in the know about your money at all times. And if you need a hand at any point, each raids investment professionals are standing by to help for more information, visit each raid dot com. Slash NPR each rate, securities, LLC member. FINRA SIPC. I'm Linda Holmes. There's more stuff to watch these days than you can ever get too. That's why we make pop culture, happy hour twice a week. We give you the lowdown on what's worth your time and what's not find pop culture, happy hour on the NPR one app or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get back to the interview. Fresh air producer, Brigham recorded with ESI ado, Jen author of the new novel Washington black, which is nominated for the man Booker prize. It's about the adventures of a slave named Washington black who man. Manages to escape the plantation. Wash has a scientific mind. He's a naturalist and he likes to draw beautiful images of marine life. And he befriends this famous marine scientists in his daughter, and eventually we'll go on to create the first aquarium in London. Hover looks like he's not going to get any credit for the creation. The reinstate antics will take credit and that's a subject you've written about an essay recently called the silencing of black scientists. Yes. So I was interested in in the idea of these forgotten figures in the history of of science, forgotten black figures. And you know there was that wonderful biography of of Henrietta lacks and do the harvesting of her cancer cells speaking the foundation for research into into cancer, which the Rebecca scoot book which was so fascinating. And I think that that book really touched on something for me, which is that when we think about the history of black people in science and certainly putting this into search engines online, what comes up is the history of black people as subjects of scientific research rather than the history of black scientists. And so this was this was a very interesting to me, and so I went when I was asked to write an article about. Black people in science. I started really digging into it and came up with the story of a young woman called Alice bell who when she was in her very early twenty s. Developed like a serum using Chelm Yugra oil. So this was oil from a tree that grows in Hawaii to put leprosy into remission, and people knew that chill muga oil was something that could put leprosy into remission, but it was you couldn't take it orally because you would instantly come back up. It was just so bitter and terrible. Nobody could keep it down and also to just injected 's. It was so viscous that it would stay under the skin and like a like a bubble. And so she developed a way for it to be absorbed into the bloodstream and she did it when she was twenty two years old and almost overnight leprosy in Hawaii went into remission. It was really remarkable and I just thought this is an incredible story and I, I don't know why we don't know more about this. In the ends. She ended up passing away at the age of twenty four. I believe she was. It was the advent of World War One, and she was teaching a lab on how to properly use a gas mask. And she ended up in hailing mustard gas and she passed away. And unfortunately she died before she could write up her findings and you know, into into an sort of official hill paper. And so what happened was a colleague of hers at the or the it was the president of university of Hawaii ended up co-opting them, like stealing them and and putting his name on the findings and. It was a while before her, her colleague for other colleagues stepped forward and said, you know, no, no, no, this was this was not his doing. You know, he was already sort of looking for a way to patent has this serum that she had developed and you know, this was not an isolated just looking at the history of black scientists. This kind of theft wasn't abnormal, and so I was just really interested in that as you do Jim, thank you so much for being a fresh air. Thank you. The pleasure. SE do spoke with fresh air producer, Sam brigger ho new novel, Washington black ish shortlisted for the man Booker prize. The winner will be announced tomorrow. Tomorrow on fresh air. We'll talk with another book award nominee Jared, j. Chris ASCA is nominated for a national book award for his young adult graphic memoir, hey, kiddo how I lost. My mother, found my father and dealt with family addiction. It's about his childhood when he was raised by his grandparents because his mother was dictate to heroin. She died of an overdose after his own children were born. Chris Osco is also known for his graphic novels for young people. The lunch lady and the platypus police series and arcs in the Star Wars, Jedi academy series. A hope you'll join us fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer as Audrey Bentham. Our associate producer of digital media is Molly seavy nesper Roberta. Shorrock directs the show. I'm Terry gross. Support for this podcast and the following message come from internet essentials from Comcast, connecting more than six million low income people to low cost, high speed internet at home. 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Trailer: Season 3 - Journeys

"The hell low sunshine. Hello central gotta make hay while the sunshine. What's this? This is Hello sunshine. What is by sharing our stories? We could change the world. Welcome to Hello, sunshine. Hi, I'm Kelly McCreary. You might know me as Dr Maggie Pearson, a little show called Grey's anatomy. But did you also know that I am an activist a producer and a karaoke champ. Well, I am thrilled to be here with you all as the host of the new season of how it is. I feel so lucky to take the hosting baton from the incomparable. Diane good at all. I have been a super fan of the show since season one episode one. I love getting to hear my heroes. Like, Diane tell their own stories in their own words. So last season, we explored values the value of time work money play and living are core values. It resonated. So deeply with me as a listener. And I know we heard from so many of you that it did for you to get ready for this season. It's all about journey, and we are asking some incredible women to share a part of their journey with us, whether it's an adventure and escape a souvenir or an unexpected encounter. And what would a show about journeys be? If we didn't talk about binding home. So this season we are talking to some incredible women actor Jamila Djamil, comedian Phoebe Robinson and the musician. Michelle Zellner who you may know as Japanese breakfast. You'll also hear from a rabbi a roller derby player a YouTube star psychiatrist and writer, I can't wait for you to hear this season of how it is. It is coming to you very very soon. So go now subscribed to the show at apple podcasts dot com slash Hello, sunshine, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also been seasons. One and two right now to get excited. They are waiting for. You apple podcasts dot com slash Hello, sunshine. I'm Kelly McCreary. I'm an artist and activist and the producer, and I can't wait to go on this journey with you.

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What Is an Acceptable Amount of Money to Spend on Pillows? feat. Naomi Ekperigin, Wyatt Cenac and Phoebe Robinson

Adulting

45:52 min | 1 year ago

What Is an Acceptable Amount of Money to Spend on Pillows? feat. Naomi Ekperigin, Wyatt Cenac and Phoebe Robinson

"Approach. Listener support W in Wiessee studios. Everyone. I'm Shelby to-. Jordan carlos. And we're super excited to welcome you to adulting from WNYC studios podcast where we learn how to be adults together German. I have been friends for a long time, and we've been through a lot. I mean, we own property respectively have kids, we have nappy hair we have to get a gun. We recorded this show at union hall in Brooklyn, and it was so much fun. New me of paragon. Was there. I love her so much. He has bangs at Brown titties, and full of stories of your words. Why syntax? Oh my God. Also, Brown titties great beard, and my Ryan, again, your words. Who else did we have Jordan BB Robinson? We just saw Phoebe she had a Termine and Komono on a Wednesday to Wednesday and she pulled it off. Plus, we get the most adult adulting question ever. So stay tuned. And let's all go the fuck up to. Bit pitchy. Bitches up in year. Make some noise if you're under thirty. If you could pass for under thirty. Yeah. You like me you in your forties. You doing it. Mother. If standing makes noise if you kinda worry about your knees right now, as like. Oh. I'm gonna be forty two July knees. And good, edges is what it's about anyways, welcome to adulting. I'm Shelby told this is Jordan Carlos. Can show before. We got first timers in the crowd. Basically Jordan, I came up with the show like, well a little over a year ago. Fuck he's got to take care of, I have, you know, back that a husband bills you get it. Dogs. I got more than two toilets shit to do it. We were like adulting is hard. But we can't afford their. So now we have fruit therapy. You've got. There were like getting through it. What do you think? Oh. Shower today. Everybody. I want. You're lying. Oh, my, we live in a country with this water, you need to shower. New York has the best water. The best water Trump right now. We got the best. The best water. It's the best. Other waters. Lose water. From like a crater lake upstate or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Thank you so much. Did anybody come here with a friend group at all? Talking, coordinating adults doing this. You know, the thing about the friend group is because I was I don't know, who is the organizer in the front group. But I was always the organizer as you can tell being present me, I'm like, this is what we should wear if we're going to go out, just like a color, Palley just. She may be where this. I know I didn't what you actually look good today. Understand a lot of your first timers. She's always like just Dunkin. He's a attractive guy, right? And he's smart. He like reads, whatever you ring. He's, you know, looks like the guy that works at Uniqlo whether pants too tight, like he's still holding on, like Friday night lights like you peaked in high school. And. One. I did not think in high school at peak summer of college. Okay. Sorry. Right. Right. Thank you. Oh for fucks sake, but getting back to the friend group. Yeah, I was up prison would organize shade. And you know what the person at work is, is the shit. Always ends up paying for stuff people were like all pay you back, and they fucking don't who said who paid for the tickets in my one person paper to tickets. Just. Anyone put you out, you organize it all. The minute you sit on a dick or whatever the fuck that you like cooking. You'll know what to do yourself. She got busy. Is that? Tell me to. No, no. It feels like you've wondered into this place. She's like I was trying to find the bathroom dishes. This is. Now you've found girl. I love your accent where you from. Your. Two. Twenty two hours to come to this show. Twenty four point. Colfax. Have kangaroo, Honey? Thank you wanna see. I'm fine. Are you sure? Okay. Like very polite. People subway. What's your what's your code of ethics on the subway? I mean you know what I'm not. I'm not person. You're probably that person to if I see somebody with a kid, I'm like you wanna see, but if someone would like more than two kids, this, you bet. One side. I'm the who? Terrible. I do that thing where I give up the seat, but I make like a big show of it. Do you wanna see do you? Show, people told man on. Yeah. I I don't feel like old men should get up women shouldn't get up. And what actually I had an old man. A really hot day on the L train. Where's this going? Stores. And that's between me and that old. And. No, he was like so. Love. Love aided. When he was so tired, and he actually just leaned on me, and then put his arms around me. And then this person was like made a weird face, like what? What? And so it was just a weird Buchan date. So I thought I'd out weird that person as like Yay. The person moved out of New York. A very serious relationship in here. Sure. Or your like fucking around? People are people are committed, but people are people are people, this is people are open like to lie. Rush to news sex parts until the parts you know, people talk. I'm not. I was just I was at I was at this gathering of mothers. Going to sound weird is gathered mothers, Roseanne Roseanne, kids and. Sounds like my dream. They were talking about, like they were talking about like being open, but, you know, like open relate swap and talk about fucking talking about. It was funny. I have never met so many people in open relationship since I've been married and I'm just like it's so gross that no one's vita me. I'm. I don't want to go because, you know, very OC. I'm like I have to concentrate on one thing, but I'm also like very jealous. I'm like a five year old like with temperature. I'm like, delegate my husband's debt you like that. It'd be me, but I feel like I'm such a good host would be like how you feeling even. I would bring children. I cannot stand it when people show up with a warm bottle of fucking wine link. Orgy. I'm leaving. Leave. Go see you sex party 'cause I feel like it'd be like a buffet like really amazing from afar. But just like fruit flies up close. This guy. Make some noise if you've ever been in the threesome. Make some noise if you like one person more than the other three. So. If you've been to a sex party. Route. I've loved him to steer the life. I love you. Converse. If you could wear a condom around. If you don't have health insurance, don't go to sex party. That's next party in Canada. So anyway. Excited to bring her, I guess, to the bucket show. She's bucking amazing. She's been on a lot of shit, and, you know, her you, and if you don't know how you will fucking love or my favorite pair of Brown titties. Please give it up for now act. That bitches cardio. Coming. Yeah. Thank you for having me. I just learned a lot. Your lifestyle. Yes. Crazy. It's not all Uniqlo fucking khaki pants. Live. We, we live. Okay. That's right. Have you ever been invited to sex party? No. I have not, you know, I'm a germaphobe. I don't I don't even want. I don't want the invite. Yeah. Don't even give me the in but yeah, probably that's why you haven't been invited. I get clear. Very personal question over you. When you lost your virginity I was. Nineteen now for years. Happen. You got a handle on the classes you like this is a good time to sit on a day. So how did it go down thinking about it? Did you plan it? I was thinking about it, and I have been thinking about it. We have been together for like three or four months. And it was like I had a thought in my head. I was like, well, he's also virgin. This is a good person to lose it to again. Germaphobe. So. Let's both be new together and confused. Awesome. It was very Judy. Confused should be your toward. Sure. My biography my way of life. I'm nude. There is confusion. How did I get here? We showering saving. Desired. It's a question, and so, and then, like one day, but I I'm ready. Let still have. And then it was the most. Painful thing I experienced in life up until that point. You know. Did you watch born you're like this is how I do it? No, I, I know where it goes. But I don't know what to do. Once we get in there. I'm not giving you choreography. Move. I have. Did you was it important that you sleep together? I remember asthma. Stephanie, what do you mean sleep together me like spend the night and have like? Yes. Stay over make me. We need a neck after you've just given yourself. I understand. Can we just talk about the daddy, then sure? Will make sure none of my any of my relatives here. I it happens. I've been to show where someone. That's just like I'm your cousin. She's like, never met sit down talk after the show. Can you tell me about your dad, in like ninety seconds or less? Well pretty much because I don't know him. I have a lot of. Minds. We. Talk about. I mean he he's alive. He's not far. He's in Westchester, but, oh, yeah. I don't know her. You know. Okay. Do you want to know her? Honestly, I don't know right now. The truth. I really I'm not someone who who's not petty. I'm hettie. Patti labelle. As. I have one. No, you're petty rather, like I haven't. I think you know, if you're gonna let somebody in say, like clean slate or like this is, who we are now you have to let go of the past mistakes, and that is not, I'm so bad. You should know my things I think he like 'cause we've tried to Email at various times. And there's one point at which actually you and I, we did that essence spread black lady comedian, S Brown teddy. And I was in remember, like I'll show him this, and I think it was a little child, like even like lift what I'm doing. And then he wrote back, and he goes, he's, like he's like, who, it's, it's gonna mitt. It's cool to see my name in a magazine. And that was like, how I oh, no no, no no, no. You. Have you ever thought about changing your name? Well, if I do ever consummate my betrothal with a wedding. That was complicated. I ever. Ever get married. If you guess. Yeah. Like if we find I mean, there is someone there but I'm saying we pull the trigger, you know what I mean? Get that fucking rustic bone. Everybody chicken breasts. Tackle pies. Quite handle white voter, white voter. Dr. That's it. Hydrangea mason. I'm bust the you. His plan the whole. Forgot the twinkly lights. I don't have a lot of time with you. How long have you been engaged? Call me made me say it in front all these people. Years. This is a real communal. Black church. Oh. Real why? I don't think I don't put it off. Because for me, the wedding does not make the relationship better. Yeah. But I say a marriage is a lifetime. It's on a magnet. That's all I just like I know I wanna do that thing. So I have, so part of me is like, I don't need to go to city hall, just two more. Like, when we have the money when we could do the thing, we'll do the thing, the nice time and we'll have some pretty pictures. That's great. I I love doing a you know on your own accord. Is that what the kids saying on children? Doing this on a on a quarter? My parents pay for it. And I just really wanted the money, right? And we had no safe. We'll see if you pay you get a say, I'm Jesse Jackson. But if you say and I don't want, I don't want you don't want you to rates in it, you know, especially 'cause, like I feel like you know, Jubilo's family they went want the whole temple. It's Yana shit. He's our boop. You get it. It's got be a whole thing. And I'm like I can't do that whole. Okay. Being who you are. Right being who you are. The germaphobe than that the fuck. The dad dad is a big part of the winning. And now you've found somebody loving do on your own, what have you learned like, what is your biggest lesson out of life with all of those things that have happened to you? Oh my God. What? Okay, now as oh in twenty seconds. What I have learned is anybody worth your time will not have to be convinced. But don't thing is here to make you laugh. And we're just one of the many great shows that WNYC studios cranking out like have you been listening to the latest season of so many white guys Phoebe Robinson. That's right. Honey? It's so good. And they're working on a beautiful podcast with hosts Chris Garcia by his father sleeping, Cuba. It's all about love and loss and memories of God, the memories. We know you want to know what's going on. So just give us your Email address, and keep you Lou. That's right. We'll keep you abreast. I said abreast, just text adulting, two seven zero one zero one. That's right, Honey. That's AD. U L. T I, N G, two seven zero one zero one and you'll join our super special lists that will keep you up to date and inform. The adult that you are. So do it now. Subscribe, honey. Welcome back to. Question. Instagram, jordan. Let me digging here. Okay. What's your name? Where are you calling from? How do you maintain a friendship? We two of your best friends, Wednesday recently ended a romantic relationship. You gotta choose one. You lose one. You gotta choose one or you lose them both. Okay. So she was friends or he was friends with two people that were in a relationship. Right. And they broke up. And so who you gonna which side, you're gonna which team are you want to allegiances? Are you in? Lancaster House are. The house start what the fuck are you going to do? You can't ride two horses with what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? A mother fucker and. I don't think you need to make a choice. I you know, it's like divorce kids, you have two Christmases. But like post all that shit up online for the other person to be like. Next question. Oh, I like this. One control ones. Drew. Nineteenth century, Louis Feraud the fucker there. One. Drew the house of Martin one. Sue. In three point. Put your hands. I don't know what your hands out. How funny? That was amazing. Very excited. Bring our next guest. He's got show on HBO. He's been on the daily show, David show. He's doing a lot of other great beard. Got a great beer. Yeah. Used to work with him. Yup. Does right man on night train back in the day. You'll know we're talking about. Why, why? When was the first time you felt like a real adult? I don't know. Do you ever feel like a real adult? That's what we're trying to find. I definitely think there are moments where I think, like, okay, I remember like the first time I went and bought a car and thought like oh, this feels like very adult thing. And then I remember when I decided to go upside down on that car and traded in while I was still paying it off for another car. And I was like this doesn't feel very. And then I remember when I had to voluntarily turn their car in for repo. And I was like, yeah, this really doesn't until. Yeah. The end through it. Have you ever had a room mate? That was terrible. Not really, because I didn't really have that many roommates like when I got away, I had a roommate, and then I got king of the hill, and so then I started making money where I was like, oh, I don't have to live with another person. I like this is a choice. And so, then I moved out and then was like, on my own, and I was probably like twenty five twenty six at that point. And so once I then got, like a taste of that, even after I left king of the hill, I was still like not still figure out how to do this shit on my own, and then which is downsized to smaller and cheaper apartments. So I could keep it going. And then when the car got repos the apartment, I also got a victim. So then I got roommate Brewster. Once I left, so I worked at king of the hill for four and a half seasons. And then once I left I didn't really like people were like, you'll be fine like you'll they'll be like, people will wanna like hire you for everything, like young black guy in his twenty's, who wrote on a FOX animated show, you should be great. And then for like five six years, it was just like I'm just living off my savings and my credit cards. Wow. Yeah. So, yes. So by the time like, but the time I got the daily show, my car had been repossessed. I had lost my apartment, I moved in with a friend of mine who would your wife leave you? This is so crazy did the doctor's like be like gotta go. Go. The dog is the first building. Like the ocean smell of cancer. The dog was like. You don't you don't smell it. Good credit. There moments when you just wanted to, like, totally just throw in the towel and. Oh fuck. Yeah. Like at that point, it was like, yeah, I lost my apartment lost my car. I didn't have anywhere to go. And so I was just like I don't know what the fuck. I'm gonna do it. Wasn't like going home was not an option for me. It was like, okay. I like think swam. Yeah. Thinkers. And so I was so my friend took me in and I was just, like I don't know what the fuck do. I don't like have a car. I don't have like she was floating me for a little while. And then I think I was living with her for about three months. I got an audition for the daily show, which I'd audition for like five times, like every year, they would have dishes. My knees hurt from all the tap dancing. Got me with that shit. Here's the thing with the auditions. I remember they would have the auditions and before before the time I got it, the auditions would be these things where it would be at some spot, and every hour would be a different ethnic group that would come in. And then, like the black people would come in, and it was just like all the bunch of black, dudes doing Stephen impressions. And so the year that I got it was the first year that they said, like write your own audition. And yes. So then mile addition, it was the first thing I ever did on the show when it was just me, basically being like give shit about the democratic primaries. I'd rather bless lost, and but I remember at the bus two mile dish in and I went in, I did it and I had no, I, I was like this is a workout. See what happens when people that you find your own voice into your own thing, and they're not trying to put a circle and a fucking square. That's what happens like we learn. We do things we have a voice, we bullshit, we make money. It's like. Cardio like in three weeks. When I have feelings breath. When it comes to dating. What do you think is an adult way to approach a date with a woman? Go on. When I was, like, when I was in high school. It was okay. You're going to go on a date, and then it was almost like a date had to be like this president, like she had to be like, surprise me. I'll know what fuck doing. But it better be good. And it was like all this pressure whereas like I just have to figure out what you're thinking. What clues if you dropped that I, I got a piece of shit together dealt like that. No. Like to me, like I'd be like you can do that within like in a relationship you like that's what surprises for. But like, if you're just trying to get to know each other and it's like just be straight up with one another. They don't feel like don't. Then all of a sudden, find yourself sitting in front of a giant plate of owning and you like I don't eat owning you should know about me, like I don't even know your last name. Like, either you wanna be impressed. Fair enough. When you sit Oni kind of triggered like a bowel movement for me. So. Donate, like it either looks like what earning from Sesame Street, which shit? Vividly so that. Don't go in there. Rickie go in here. Say that. Supported by. We stay calm. It's so much easier to use than GO cities or HTML or Java script. I don't know. I'm all when it comes to this stuff, binary code one zero zero one zero all I know is it gives you a lot of options and Mabel to put some like goofy goofy silly clips on it, and it works. And when you're ready to go premium, of course, you gotta wicks dot com and use the code adulting. Get ten percents off any premium plan with wicks premium plans. You get more storage free domain for year and much more. That's w x dot com code. AD. L. T. I. N G for ten percent off any premium plant save some money. WNYC studio supported by roundabout theater companies Tony stone. A new play about the first woman ever to go pro in baseball's negro leagues. Raising the Jim crow south Tony stone knows every stat ever recorded. She's got a great arm as she doesn't understand why she can't play with the boys based on a true story. Tony stone offers in tensely the ethical glimpse into one woman's determination to stay in the game and play her own way. Now playing tickets around about their dot org. Well. Excited. Stage. I love her, she's amazing. I've known for a long time, and she is just so big and Bray, and she doing things bless you came here to do this thing, fleet give it up for upper Fabian. First of all, have you like nobody does adulting more than you? Oh, yeah. Mike. An old lady, I love it gets up your old lady lake, work ethic is like this is the first lady that this in like nineteen fifty two like you don't were you like that when you're little to? No. I was kinda slacker a little easy. And I think I sort of turning around when I went to college, and I got to say the class wanna study that I was just like all in. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. It was it was. It was a watershed moment. When you're like I got to like level Faulk of when you got to college, that's when you felt the competition like I'm gonna give us more like I went to study writing like that's what I got to do. And I did you write little poems about the ways and like lowers bus ride like really just really shit. It's like you're like nineteen like you don't really have life experience. So you write about being like sitting alone in a diner, 'cause you just did that last week here like that. Finally, not interesting to anyone here just like the coffee mug. You're like I'm out. But like that, like what you just describe all the list. The. Meter teenagers and old people. Diner, your forties. Like something's wrong. No. I'm love it. I let the services always. It's fast. But they haven't attitude. They're like, why the fuck you hear it. I'm like, don't you need this money like what's happening? They're they're, they're sick of it. They're like we're fucking Zik of you being here your way. But I'm coming back on my great. So. So obsessive, I love any restaurant where they ask you, if eating there before, you know, like I, I love that Brooklyn be eating hand before. Have you been to Bush? First time when we do things different. What's going to happen? You have to pick one protein. Me. No. Different. Together. I love this grade. You know, I don't like a lot of people. Just kidding. I love everybody. Let too many people. Out of here. You're good at editing. I'm not I'm just like I wanna fix your broken wings. I actually have a lot of questions. Great, your mom feels like a very respectable woman. Yeah. Octave is like no joke. She's no. Yeah. You're. Your friends. Tapie of Lena Robinson, Honey. It was her name comfort, like shonda, rhimes generator. Name. Your mum. Octavian. Velour spencer. Did you? Needle. What were some of the lessons your mom told you to hold your adulting as a woman in life. Yeah. My mom is like a grinder. You know, she's like nothing ever like easy for her. Let Canada her which I think is like a lot of people. So she's just kind of like, don't be a dick be grateful. Be grateful work hard. You know, just sort of like you really have to believe in yourself 'cause like so many people are just going count. You can I ask you a question. Yes. 'cause we were talking about this before, like being in your twenties, sort of play at the idea of being in adult yet, like I definitely had way too many blazers for a twenty three year old, I did not work at a Bank, you're gonna be like. Bank. You're gonna be like I wasn't a Bank teller wine and have so many company. Dish, plus size bucket ways like any fourteen I was buying. And so I thought that was me being an adult league straining my hair and putting on the mustard fuck blazer, and like what was your idea of your vists? I wore wore a lot of us. We're allows like nine west pumps, because what my mom war, and I was like, oh, that's how, you know, you have a day job. Yeah. If you're wearing like nine west shoes. Yeah. Yeah. But that was like my thing, and then I was like, you guys know me. I like I don't go out unless it's like a YouTube concert. I'm gonna see like Anita Baker next week. The first started the fucking you to constant. Incident. And then you to ready on just like you know that one friend likes tweet Berg, you're like. I got tickets to go. She's like jersey. Tickets for hours to get there. It took us five hours. Where wasn't he? Right. Whatever you like bet like we'll get what the get one. Future, British bake off. So I was. And all of it was fucking crazy. Because we had to go to the Lincoln tunnel from Brooklyn, and I was, and we were just like in year, ten twelve years, a slave opened the car. A journey. I was like, when is Brad Pitt say, Honey? The Canadian helpful. Then we go into the Lincoln tunnel and we see two white as you too. News. You. They're here to go. They want to go to the. Title of court and they joined us, and we all drove you get in the car. This is key. And then we were talking about our first concert, and I was like prince and the guy was like Jimmy Buffett does like we're not going to die. And then I remember when we saw. Off. I was like. I could tell he liked Phoebe, and she was like, oh, why is this guy? Texting me it was like, oh, a guy needs to have his dick, his hands for you to be like, I think he likes me. I'm so oblivious. I was like, why is he contacted me? Like we saw the concert like instead, she was you. Yeah. Okay. Give me your water getting answer questions. What the great question. What's the best etiquette for poopie with your significant other home? Okay. That is amazing question. They often I poop all the time. So dramatic Rex regular, then you wanna do you want to set up a candle in the bathroom. Fucking not chief should get Johnny. In the bathroom. What, what does teak? Brand or the way of life. It's like it's like you are pretending you have money you get did take, you're rich, but you're not. Yes, you pre light it. M may you just you gotta let them know, like, hey, I am my husband put music on. I don't know what kind of day I guess, I think another thing that's important is like you wanna be like ham, and go about them, you turn on TV music. Sometimes I'd like to terrorize my boyfriend, and I won't turn it on. And I'll be like I heard that I heard we terrorize each other. Yeah. Yeah. And then we like deal with that fucking trap. No later. Rush. Libya, pope when she was like -ducted, and she had us that bathroom, but have. L half black people. Get. I feel like you also there's also other things when you like, really. People do a candle. But I just wanted to one everybody, which is the candles one thing, but a match is very effective because the phosphorus. Actually eat the smell of it right away. And that is hashtag adulting. You re reading already. No. That's okay. Our guest in our house L. I'm such a fucking. When did you reach peak adulting? I had. So I had like a girls night last night with some friends and it was great. But when I knew where I was like, oh, we're adult is like each of us brought like a gas pill. So embroiled with gas X some brought lactated we eat brought the materials like you're gonna brand half an hour. I've got you like that is why, I know it's not about, like, I know talk about a negative free to lot, but yeah, that's sort of like they got us five in the fucking jungle, you know, like they bring them shedding a fucking pots of boil water. Bring the Gasa. Yes. So kind of is he is dating your we Diller who's in over relationship. Hashtag adulting that south. It's a high maintenance fucking west Harrison moving out now. That is very specific open general. Come on. Ply supply. Well, what is an acceptable amount of money to spend on pillows? What? Opioid free. About this. Casper should say. Yes. Spend as much as you want them pillows. It is so important to your life. Yes. Right. Value, undervalue bills for so long bills. Yes. Good. Pillows. Good night. Zac, get on Brooklyn and fucking. I love Brooklyn, my now, this has not been altered, right. When him on bath towels of Brooklyn was like, we don't shower this much, but okay, but it's still little things like having nice towels and like adult that makes you feel don't, yeah. Yeah. We have another question which is questioned. How do you find time to masturbate? And they put their name on it. Cake? Hey, ryan. Let's talk. If you find time to watch Netflix show, you can find time to masturbating. How? That new, thank you so much. We to. All the. Give it up. Been. Country. This was such an amazing show. You just heard from Naomi paragon, why it's neck and Phoebe Robinson, and who knew quality pillows, were the key to adulting. Adulting is produced by Blakeney shake in Delhi, Rueben the adulting team includes two NSL tariff, polish Shuman, Joe Lord, and Heber and Irene Trudell. The live show is produced by Christian. 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The Baldwin Of Our Discontent

Keep It!

1:06:57 hr | 1 year ago

The Baldwin Of Our Discontent

"The biggest news of the week. Khania west met with Donald Trump in the White House. And will that that on Tani on the way to the bottom of it. Thank God. That you guys got everything? Yeah, you other news y'all. I'm is love dead. I think love is dead. Love dead Arianna Guerande, Pete Davidson engagement off. Do you guys remember when we were bonnaroo it, they were my keep it which I sort of feel bad about. I don't feel bad about it because I, I continue to believe the news coverage on them was asinine, but I have since become a little bit of an arena STAN. But it was just at bonnaroo where I was like, why are we talking about them so much and already done done a Romeo and Juliet of stones at Disneyland. I thought they were gonna at least get married. I thought they were gonna make it to that. And then whatever happened was going to happen thirty day marriage or something at least get married. Yeah, this basic pop culture take, but when the tattoos get involved, you know, it's doomed so many, tattoos, they got, they got more than one. It's like they're, they're clearly rolling on the relationship. It's like, I know you're going to come down from this that plus she named a song after him, right album called Davidson. That was clearly assigned things. We're going to go back. The only funny line in that terrible SNL sketch that he did about their relationship was that he wasn't going to get royalties from the song. So I guess that worked out for her. And it works for him. He does not have to spend thanksgiving with Frankie 'Grande anymore. That is a monster ninety. I actually think that would have been just desserts because Davidson played that gay character. And that was that zoey Deutch movie on Netflix anyway to be around upset us all the boys loved in the elite. To be around Frankie Rhonda after that would have been pretty poetically just I think I feel like they're getting back together though. Let's be. So I'm starting to wonder what if they're like a Liz and dick, wow, they're they're on again off again like they get together with other people like chalices across the room at each other monotony. But in a cool wet, I feel like he throws away a Dave and Buster's commemorative Cup show across the room forever though if they do not get back together fear, yes, that he got to sit VIP at a Rita. Franklin's funeral next to like Bill Clinton, like acting like p Davidson. Was worthy of that. I mean, we knew whatever we knew he was her date, but that will those pictures can never be a raced right? Because if they never get back together, that means that years from now, people are gonna look at that. Exactly this joker hair Fantasia had to storm passed him to get to the state. Well, hope you. Okay. Are you Ana at least the album's good. It's probably for the best and you got the tour coming on. You know, I'm just do that. Rush that pony tail put on some of those high boots girl live your life pig. She said a Walsh shit fall on her, do have to say, so I am Sheree Asli rooting for her a year, but that's how you become an iconic popstar true anyway, cutting out later in the episode we're going to be talking about voting and how you can save. Beca staff, but but also America l. k. capital Tashkent we're gonna talk about vote, save America. Funny here. I just didn't understand the word. You're saying guard comedy. Sometimes. Well, you know, I feel like I'm the UNESCO of crooked media. He's Romania very good. We will also be chatting with author comedian and rival podcast, Phoebe Robinson, how dare she come on this show. We'll be right back. How many episodes are we gonna open talking about what the t- the girls are fighter. The answer is going to be most. I can't stop thinking about the phrase of the girls are fighting. I wanna use it all the time. So bags isn't trenchant get another Twitter feud this time with Lana del Rey. The fight began after Lana criticized Khania Wests I'm sorry. Mr.. Kardashians support for Trump and his remarks calling for the repeal of the thirteenth amendment. Zia tweet it back at Lada. Wow. Okay, Lana. This would be cute. If you were consistent with your outrage and refuse to collide with ace at rocky, who was physically assaulted win to to me, this just looks like the typical white woman using our weakened target to pretend to be an ally. Kept going on and. Ass threat has multiple are usually see one point, and then that's when my stop is, and I'm like, I'm going to get off the train and look at it later Lana in response to hope, zillion on Twitter. Pull up, say it to my face, but if I were you, I wouldn't. I wouldn't fuck you. What was so funny about this response from Lanta was we didn't really initially know who she was tweeting it right because her handle right. First of all, I always forget that as handle at the moment is like shot cheapie x. because she's she's selling her on her soaps. It looks phone came up with that name on. I'm glad she changed because she blocked me a couple years ago. You're backing? Yes, she blocked me. And so I had missed all her tweets and now I'm back in. I remember what I was tweeting about liking her new song. She tried to come out may with of belief you shaded me many times in the past, and I said, I was a shading you. I was calling you out for the racist thing about saying now, but I always liked the music and then she was like, oh, okay. And then she followed me. This was like sell. Like I feel like I have to say this. Every time we talk about this girl, but she so frustrating because she's never fully wrong, right Landau it was like, did maybe lenna del Rey just really hates Trump and racism. I don't know, but it's like, did she say anything about Roseanne and it's this conversation. I think she's already had about like she did remember. She did witchcraft to try to curse Trump on inauguration day, which, okay. Thank you, but it's like it is the sort of selective thing with some white celebrities or whatever where you're like, what you're going and uncon- Konya and there's a lot which yes, you should, but this also should be a general criticism. You're leveling leveling towards people like this, a free for all. Yeah, go after everyone. So she's never as never fully wrong. And then what she always bucking does is then says something about their appearance because she's actually pretty funny and usually on point when she's trying to make her like normal arguments. And then as soon as I came back to her, she was like. Yeah, ruined. Exactly. Also, here's the thing. Just the prizes me that land responded at all. Because as you'll have is sort of like, appears Morgan figure on Twitter where it's like always in it. For some reason. I don't know what credentials you need to be a part of the conversation, but she is always in the middle of the conversation. And for that reason, you can ignore that person's. They just insert themselves appears more than tic. TAC Laron. I am always so mad when people quote sweet that son of a bitch, how I did that much. Threat. It's just like I had him, blah. I have do not wanna hear anything. Piers Morgan has to say he only thrives from the attention that people give him when they try to like dunk on him on Twitter. Yes. Remember we like a stretch where I got into it with him. This is like years ago, like pretty consistently. And then one day I was like, no, I'm better than this and I blocked him. And that was right. And everyone always thinks it this joke about Piers Morgan is going to be the funniest one, and he's finally going to be ended and stub it. I don't wanna know what he has to say. I don't even know he exists tomb, you, you clearly didn't much the first season of America's got town where he really nailed it. I'm kidding. It was horrible. What is he good at? He had a newspaper before, like what? Fighting Omarosa on the celebrity appraiser surprises, Yulia and Piers Morgan. Haven't had some weird crossover event yet. Oh, yeah. They just seem convention troll. Yeah. Right. Won't maybe after you know, Landa, pulls out moment with musk, show hop on the Piers Morgan train. That was also weird was when Lanta tweeted something like the, I was the only person that supported your had your back. And I was like, what that was where, because I'm like, you know, used to kick it right. That was when I was like, Linda, you're overstepping this, you're ruining this because you had it with your little pull up thing. That was cute. That was funny when she came back to her about the plastics. She was like, I'll give you my surgeons number and I was like, what a funny response was kind of ablest was, you said I think you're off your meds. Yeah, it just like everyone. Everyone just before you want to stop stop. That's a good ruler. Something even wanna keep going stop because both of them would have come. This would have been like a more. It would have been like a funnier sort of back and forth, and then it wouldn't have gone ugly. We're, we're all like, is this your basic out of touch. Ella tick, but I consider a very serene person like someone whose entire thing is. I'm recovering from a difficult nap like all the time. So I'm very shocked. She just went for it that hard and had that much. I'll say it comedy in her. I feel like always is skirted with, you know her adjacency to hip hop. So I feel like she always enjoys when she gets to, you know, be fo- black for bit. Right? Because that was like, listen, Zilya is a lunatic. Zillion respond to there. She said, she said, DM me what's your dress LA. We will fight 'em public. We could film it exactly. 'cause she's desperate and unstable, and that combination of traits is very dangerous has like she might kill you, like you're, you're doing your tweet, but I was like a Zulia serious also, didn't she also tell your lawyer? It's a promise, not a threat or whatever. It's yeah. What are you? Sean Claude, van Damme. Girls are fighting. Also mostly about that. This happened literally seconds after we record it. Yes, why we hate that. Why do why do people scheduled their nonsense for twos down now when we record right, we got this fervor for seven days. Have you also these fights are so much better on the weekend when you know, I don't wanna read like Trump news. Yeah. So just give us the celebrity drama over the weekend. He hasn't gonna fight a Sunday evening. Chore would be great. Give it a little time to breathe, give us some time to cultivate our takes come in record, particularly. 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Wasn't that on Netflix in my crazy. No, it was on ABC right after the Oscar, but it was a preview. I miss them BC show years ago. What's so weird podcast, right? No, for somebody who is deeply temperamental and deep and kind of obsessed with like having quotes that blow up in the media, he is also obsessed with witty or pardon me, light banter. He's like, I need to have a podcast host the match game. I need to have this show on primetime. It's baffling to me work to do everything. He's an unemployed actor. He's in every movie. He was in black klansman. Right. He was good in that though. Unfortunately, he is talented. That's star stars bored. No, he's not. He would. When alley does SNL it's Alec Baldwin's the host. He goes up. Ladies and gentlemen alley. He accepts into a lot of stuff. Yeah. No, you don't think about him. He he played the husband of two best actress winning roles in the past ten years, blue, jasmine and still Alice. Just again, you don't think of those movie starring Alec Baldwin. They do start like all Baldwin dick gets you an Oscar. Okay. Okay. That's. And also by the way after Hailey Baldwin, we've been inundated with her just I deserve a Baldwin break. I've been very attentive to pop culture and I've had too much. But Hayley Stevens daughter, correct. I feel like we don't get enough Steven or like essence, that Haley is Baldwin. Really. It's I feel like we just talked much about Justin Bieber in the media, and I really wanna know more about. I feel like maybe she has a journey you think I feel like from Calabasas to Sherman oaks or wherever. Maybe she stopped at anthropology on the way, shake shack. Oh, yeah. Just you pick up some crystals. Okay. At home? The son for her UPS delivery. I wanna know Haley. Yeah, call in. Pull up, but in a polite way. Oh my God, no, Alec Baldwin. So this week made somewhat incendiary commentator about rose McGowan so and about black people list. Oh, that's well, that's no. Let's talk about that. Go ahead. This nigga. I give a Hollywood reporter interview. Were he said. Ever since I play Trump black people, love me. They love me everywhere I go. Black people go crazy. I think it's because they're most afraid of Trump. I'm not gonna paint every African American person with the same brush, but a significant number of them are sitting there going. This is going to be bad for black folks finey to. I want to people who went quote, unquote crazy. Just to black people because there's before this quote, there's an extended moment in the profile. One name Tyrone walks up the as like Allie you, the man. He seemed like a plan. Right, exactly. That did not seem real. That is also not what I would describe as going crazy walking up to someone on a Manhattan street and saying, hey, out Baldwin is not going crazy for his ass. My favorite part is when he's like, I don't wanna pay with a broad brush everybody, but then he's like, but about ninety percent of them with my ass. The funny thing is I, it sounds like he interviewed all black people including YouTube. Why did you say you love it so much. He says he doesn't wanna paint them all with the same brush, but he thinks a significant number of black people don't like Trump. That was his quote. He is still insisted that must lack for left, but he did not hedge on that. It's also like that doesn't. Do you think liking you and disliking Trump like they're, they're not really related as much as you would like to think like, oh, our savior, Alec Baldwin is making funny faces on SNL and because I'm terrified about Trump's stripping everyone of their civil rights. I'm now in love with Alec Baldwin. I don't understand what you're trying to say. That flow chart doesn't flow. First of all, how many people who are blood are still watching us. Ever right also can. This is. Yes. It's surprising to me always that his impression of Trump is so ultimately toothless like you just never think about it. It's like a face more than anything. Just the lips that he's got a tan, you know, I, I guess thinking about old SNL impressions that stick like the Sarah Palin like Dana Carvey George H W Bush. They benefited from like adding a Daffy folk seen as to the character, but he really adds nothing. And yet we gave him an EMMY. I'm sorry, let's weird. EMMY mistake. I think the Emmys rarely wrong. He's played himself because his Baldwin is basically Trump here, especially like you remember when Trump gave that interview to Albany talk radio, and he said, I have a great relationship with the blacks always had a great relationship with the black lacks the black, the blacks, at least Alex said black people that is like slum, Lord, vocabulary. The worst. He also had some words to say about rose McGowan. He said, she's a tragic front person for the me too. 'cause and I say that because you don't stand much of a chance getting where you want to be. If you're going to arbitrarily alienate at exit innocent men, it's like all of a sudden she's one of the crypts, the head of her own gang. He pauses smiles and ads. You can print that by the way crazy. What do you mean arbitrarily? You can print that by the way. What is crate also Frank Sinatra tossing off bone mutt I, she's clearly more of a blood because she wears the red lipstick and it is better for her complexion starters. Alec rose is not even the front person for the me too because they don't like her. She is always in the media being like eight, it's Toronto Burke who started this shit years ago. Movement. It's not rose McGowan. It's not any of these actresses she'd been doing this for years already. I mean, why? Why would we expect Alec Baldwin to know that I don't even miss learning something about this from him? Yeah. He just wanted to say something about rose McGowan and he's defend. He's not been a unsurprisingly a fan of the metoo movement, but like it is it's one of those things where going after Rosemary rose McGowan. It's like the only kind of in that you have like she's been. She's been a little unstable and inconsistent controversial little bit. So that's the only sort of person that you can probably lampoon and that enough people will be like, okay, you're she has had moments that we don't necessarily agree with. Prizing though because you would normally, I mean, like five years ago, you would list him next to like Michael Moore and Jane Fonda famous super liberal people, but then he like wanders into this lane it just he's like a kind of confounding person secretly. Other than being like a hardware guy, what's Friday about his connection with rose guy would is, I don't know either. Have you saw her TV show her the Documenta documentary in the premiere. She's an a just I think, like a gas station or something. And this black man comes up to her and it's like. Basically giving her a pep talk, like Morgan Freeman in any Ashley Judd. And I was like, who the fuck found this black man to go over here? It'd be like you do it a good job girl. Wow, that cast that probably probably tyrod. There's one black person who goes crazy for these people, and you know what? I hope you're collecting your checks Tyrone, hope you getting rich off of this nonsense birthday frequent. Can't wait to meet this Mark. I watched that show. I forgot all about it. Yeah, I mean, right? Yeah, right after the the first wave of Harvey Weinstein, that's less than a year ago. We're all in our nineties. Now. It's been a one year anniversary of that on like October tale, like forty five fucking years also by the way and like nine. We obviously there's been. Yeah, we were politely ignoring that you say, no, I was leaving the room. No, we'll be able to ignore it when I e. Got that's crazy. Or the thing about me to the impression everybody has is that like so many people have been outed by meet you now? It's like, no. We just had like about thirty stories or something. Weirdly it still to me just feels like deeply the tip of the iceberg and half of them got their jobs back, right. Yeah, we forgot about most of them, right, right. Because this week we also have bride Sagar knowing social media saying that Esquire is about to publish a false story about him as a takedown before his new movie. But he Mian rhapsody comes out so. Is your movie when you get fired athletes? Got fired. Yeah, it's not your movie. Yeah. Also, that's like another person who like we thought he was taken down right now here he is like slithering back up like either news ready to take on a new movie also. That's so I mean, like I know Esquire has legitimate journalism in it and stuff, but they're gonna publish that expose and they're going to publish ten more photos of Ryan Gosling in a wet white shirts. You know, just a very, it's a packed issue that is important. Dribble a, no, I man all wet. I don't know. I can't write copy. I. I, I. What are we doing. Derail conversation. Woodward back Phoebe. Robinson joins us. If you've seen the movie double indemnity you now that life insurance is not always sexy, but also really important. And that Fred macmurray is weirdly hot, even though he hasn't lantern jaw, go on. Let's sit one. Third of people don't have it. They don't have life insurance. Yeah, that's because it's really hard to buy. You have to work out what you need, then do the research to find the best quote and hope you don't get swindled along the way by the great brain. 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You know, I just think they're not well thought out. Like I, I know the lady Gaga Ursula thing is still just a rumor at this point. But I am just kind of like guys, she can't play her. Player and I love. I love her. I think she's amazing, but I'm just like just get someone who's plus is just do it. Like, what are we? What are we waiting for? Like, why are we just trying to avoid it? And like everyone wants to talk about by positively and representation. And it's like when you have a softball like this, you just can't even, you know, knock it out the park. I just I don't understand right, like Lizardo or so. People even suggested like a Latrice royale because the character was originally designed after divide. Yes, yes. You know, who has the flavor of Ursula to meet Jennifer Lewis actually, that'd be pretty hilarious. What an I so funny. Yeah, I will. I also want to know, do we need live action disease? I hate them. I hate them. These Vanity Fair shoots turned into movies, stand the. Like, let's just my favorite Disney movies, just put through a computer and make it HD and release. It can't do that. I would just go see a rerelease of Aladdin just cedars. Exactly. Yeah. No, might might controversial tickets. Genius should be drawn. I don't want to see genie in person taking up space, not cute. Take that Barbara. That's no. Besides. I'm dealt with the live action remakes I'm I'm for it. I think it could be. I don't. I don't know if it's going to live up to the, you know, animated originals, but I, I don't know. I'm just kind of beauty. No. The live action originals. Okay. I'm open to them. I'm not racing to the theatre to see them, but I. Do you know. I honestly think I've only seen beauty and the beast, and I've seen the Allison wonder leads I don't. I haven't seen Cinderella. I haven't even Cinderella. Yeah, I haven't even seen Melissa sent. We'll show you saw the old one hundred one donations live action. Oh, okay. Well, I feel like. Different era that barely counts because that was like, I don't think Disney is like doing wild shit like that anymore. Like, let's have Glenn Close to running around in these jackets, try to kill dogs. Because you know, they, you know, they've been taking forever to make the. Of the Oregon story. They have Emma stone attached to a Cruella origin story, but they can't seem to make it work. I'm like, yeah, I don't know how you're gonna make an origin story work where this woman is just killing down nation, Don Keller one other question. What's your favorite? What was your favorite Disney movie, and who would you cast in it as the lead? My favorite Disney movies, probably The Lion King Lion King what beyond says in that one. So. That's perfect casting. Yeah, yeah. That liking is just like, I also love Mulamba's. Very cool. I really wanna see a great mouse detective, please. Yeah, remake that that would be fun. Yeah. We make our rebate Hercules with that. Noah Cincinati boy. Can he saying listen, it doesn't matter. The price is right. Off the certain I'll be like, oh, those are vocals. Never the same. Never never be the voice actor and then they used to have a little Marnie exa. But now they want people to saying though. Yeah, yeah, you have to. Sorry, actors. Gotta have hair body and face. By a stars. Your second book which is out now everything's try, but it's okay. And I just wanna know how you read all these damn books girl. I am workaholic through and through and I tell people, I'm really not that exciting. I stay home a lot. If I go out is I try to go like I tell the story before about how I went to a friend's bachelorette party. We like organize this whole evening out and we went dinner at seven strip club at eight. So we can you back at the hotel at eleven, let's get the hell back. So, yeah, everything is trash all the time. What was it like having to Wade through? I just assume monster piles of trash to write this book. It was I, I will say this. It was kinda stressful for multiple reasons. The first one was mostly my fault in that the book was originally supposed to come out next spring, but I had to queens, come out, you know, February. And then this movie I was in on Netflix caught a b.'s came out in may, and I was like, wouldn't it be great to have something in the fall? So it's like a nice trifecta. And then everyone at my publisher with plume, which is a division of penguin and they're like, yeah, that sounds great. And they're like, well, how far along are you in the book? And like totally like lied. And I was like, oh yeah. Oh my, you know, they're the way done. Like almost halfway done. They were like, awesome. And I was maybe like five percent. So I just really had to cram and like just any second that I wasn't like doing stand up or like shooting something. I was like in either my apartment like or hotel room without pants on eating cheeses and just writing, and I was able to to get it done. But I think you know, just the sort of climate that we live in as been kind of like a sucky one where you're like, oh, these are some dark times. And so it was nice to kind of sort of escape with this book. It'd be able to like make myself laugh. And I'm talking about how I was avoiding Oprah's phone calls initially because she blocked her number and like I owned forty five thousand dollars in student loan debt. And I was like, oh, I'm not answering this phone because I don't know who's going to be. So like those kind of moments like made it better when I had to like go on the internet and see the news in and see what's happening are get that. And I really love the first book. So, I mean, you can't. Touch my hair and other things I still have to explain was in New York Times bestseller. So I know this one will be too. I hope it will be a sous stare. I don't know. I was gonna ask you quickly also like the three of us on this show like probably never thought in our lives. There would be a thing called podcast that would be doing podcast, making money doing this weird job. What satisfaction do you get out of hosting a podcast that one people love and to where you actually discuss things that probably need to be heard. I mean, I think to queens reason, you know, one of the reasons why Justin I wanted to start working together outside of really enjoying each other is just seeing a bunch of comedy shows or being asked to be a bunch of comedy shows are just straight white guys on it, and we're sort of like what we know. So many funny women's funny queer, people's funny people color. Why are these people not on the show? And so when we had to queens where like this'll be our chances invite like are funny friends on and just have a sort of host up top and just have the sort of banter about hot topics or things are going on our lives and just sort of. Of sound like to, you know, average black women just hanging out. I think we thought it was going to be fun. I don't think I there were like, oh yeah, this is going to take off and blow up. And so I think we're really sort of kind of pleasantly surprised at how much our show like resonated. And you know, I just I love film and TV and flicked. So many times celebrities are like interviewed in a way where they have to feel like, hey, come by. My thing come watch. My movie may sometimes you feel they wanna have more fun, but they're like, oh, I gotta see a message. And so I think with both to tutto queens and so many white guys, I was able to just kind of like talk to people in a real way in really try and get to know them and make them feel comfortable, make them laugh and reveal size themselves. And I think that's kind of worked out so far. Thank you so much for being on the show, Phoebe, you know, we love you. Thank you for having me. This was great and pick up fees, new book which is out today when we were. Recorded. So by the time he listened to this, it'll be no already shipped to you. If you're an Amazon prime. Or you can walk, you can use your legs and go to day shipping or or working mortar it from your local mom and pop Barnes and noble the one last border. But last. All right, five Vivey guy sakes. When we're back to personally save America with voted. Thank you. Election day is so close. It's getting real voter, registration deadlines are flying by an early voting is happening. I've already got my ballot. It's not about, but it is. It is sitting on my kitchen table. I registered to get my valid by mail. These, I'm going to be out of town. I'm going to be in Canada. So depending on how this goes. We never see me again. But it was super easy. I got my ballot by mail. I am ready to go and ready to vote on November six. I'm deeply conventional Miskin, go right up to that booth cry than filled out. Walk up like a suffrage set. Yes. Oh my God. What if I dressed like one that be really stupid, I don't do that. I'm, you can check out the voter guide at votes, save America dot com. Then get your friends to sign up at votes America dot com. So you guys can decide what you wanna legalize together. We call that democracy people, and sometimes you have to read through a few things to figure it all out. It's an info being informed, goddamn voter people, the spirit of votes America launching the interactive voter guide. We wanted to highlight a few initiatives in a game. We're calling bitch vote to shits bed. Title. So was calling it that Kevin. Or intern, Travis. Perhaps somewhere anyway, are we ready played game? I got the first question for you. We're talking about Louisiana. My my mother country, the television show. Tra- may go on. Of course, of course, amendment to this measure would require a unanimous jury to convict people charged with felonies who supports it, the Louisiana, Democratic Party the Louisiana Republican party, and John legend who opposes it, the Louisiana district attorney's association. If you vote, yes on it, you want to amend the state constitution to require unanimous jury verdicts to convict and felony cases if you vote, no, you want to preserve a Jim crow era law that allows non unanimous jury verdicts to convict in felony cases. Is this a real amendment? I believe the political leanings of John legend's. I'm gonna go big old. Yes. You know. I'm gonna go, yes as well. You guys few are correct. This is a must pass amendment in Louisiana right now. Only two states in the union do not require unanimous jury to convict someone of felony Louisiana and Oregon. We're all out. Louisiana only requires that ten of the twelve jurors believe the person is guilty. That means in Louisiana. Someone could get sentenced to prison for life. Even if two jurors believe there's reasonable doubt. In the case, I don't like that either Louisiana and Oregon need to start trail in behind the times. Jerry Springer final. All right question over to. Missouri amendment, four. This amendment would remove the constitutional ban on advertising, bingo, games if you vote. Yes. You want to remove the constitutional ban on advertising, bingo, games if you vote. No, you wanna keep the constitutional ban on advertising, bingo games is this a real amendment. It feels so silly that it feels like it. It is. That's where I am to also by the way is big. O. technically a game at somebody saying numbers, moving on. I'm going to say it Israel because it is baffling. I'd rather dramatically play Mahjong. That's what I'm saying. My fiance's mother, crazy rotations, call out. It is a real amendment is yeah, Missouri has a constitutional ban on leading organizations, advertise bingo, games. So bingo was a legal in Missouri until nineteen eighty when voters decided to permit bingo in the state, as long as those wild crazy, bingo organizations only advertised on their premises and made sure the person running the bingo games had been part of the organization for two years. The ballot measure would remove the constitution of ban on advertising, bingo games lessen the amount of time the bingo master needs to have been part of the organization to six months master since printed reading. I've turned g fifty nine moving. We are now down the Rockies Colorado amendment. A this measure would amend the state constitution to repeal exception to ban slavery. Wait a minute. This measure would amend the state constitution to repeal an exception to ban slavery which allowed compulsory labour, involuntary servitude or slavery as we like to call it as punishment for crime who supports it, the Colorado Democratic Party and abolish slavery, Colorado who opposes it. Who opposes, I assume the KKK the yes vote. You would want to abolish slavery in the Colorado constitution. If you vote no, on this amendment, you want to keep a form of slavery in the Colorado constitution gentlemen, is this a real amendment sniff poppers to get through. On the ceiling. Yes. Real. It is real is wild article, two section twenty five of the Colorado constitution says they're never be in the state, either slavery or involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof. The party shall have been duly convicted. This amendment would change the state constitution to read their shall never in the Peter sleep for your involuntary, solitude, crazy that you have to put that in constitution. This is all pretty straightforward. A amendment like this actually failed by a narrow margin and do sixteen because the wording had a confusing grammar guys. This feels real fucking straightforward, Colorado get your shit together. Please tell the get you. I was in Colorado, once. Got arrested. That's high, worked for BuzzFeed for you. Traditional origin story. All right. Here we go. We're in Idaho, no Luther Burbank country. This measure would amend the state constitution making cannibalism illegal. All circumstances who supports it the ACLU and pita who opposes it, the Donner party's living ancestors. Now, if you've, oh yes on it, you want to abolish cannibalism no exception. But if you know, you understand, sometimes people have to turn to unfortunate means for survival. Part of me wants to vote now just because I don't like pita. If pita hates cannibalism, I love it. I am going to say in my infinite wisdom. I think this is maybe not an amendment. It is not an amendment. I have to say, I underestimated how Zanny yours would be almost come up. The ones we read it was like maybe have to think for that right for just a second. Although the current law states that cannibalism illegal except under life, threatening conditions as the only apparent means of survival. This sound similar to Florida's stand your ground laws. So if you ever get the taste for human flesh, head over to Idaho, put yourself in a threatening position and champ away. Idaho sounds sounds like the backstage of dynasty. Stories. This skin is burnt. Good. I in Carol shoutout everyone. If you live in any of those states get your amendment voting plan together, you live in a different state. You need also figure out what you need to vote on. Goto votes America dot com. And please vote on November six or I'm going to be really irritated amnesty in Canada. Never see people again, that's that's the threat, not the looming threat of our democracy crumbling. It's Karume span. Cancer care will build a new life in Vancouver. Who are we going to have to replace with? You know God? Yeah. Who would it be? Domingo general brain. Maybe her go through that coming up, keep it. I feel like I'd mostly just want to keep it to the world. It's been a week the year. Decade the CARA, what is your keep it. Let me just take us back to October twenty fourteen when young writer named care Brown started a column at bell dot com. And she called it shade court, and I tried to spend my brief and finite time on this planet trying to help you. God damn people understand which shade is. It seems I failed. I'm reminded daily of my failure, and I was reminded again this morning when good Morning America had Pete Souza, the tougher, the White House dog refer on the show. He is a book out called shade, which I have already voiced my objections to. But today, good Morning America called him the king of shade, the king of shade. They called this man who just posted a picture, a Brock Obama every day, doing a thing that Trump was doing on that same day shade him. It's it's, it's not shade, and I feel like I, I was actually still writing shade court when he started doing this because so I put him in shade court. If you times an, I ruled numerous times the shit wasn't shade and as usual, no one listened. I wasted my in my life, my effort, my time, trying to just help people. It just seems like we live in a world with a riana in it. So just to immediately assign this person, the new, the king ranting, king of shades seems a little wrong or people who think that this is like stupider frivolous, whatever like it, really. I, there's like the jokey portion of this, but also that language exists and it's a real thing. And I think to misuse these words and then to ascribe it to a straight white dude. When like this word came about in the ballroom scene, Dorian Corey watch. Paris is burning. It is not a book, but it would also be structural for you mother fuckers. So there should be a pairs of burning pop. Yup. Total, but it's like this, it's it's this. You're just taking this language that like mattered and meant something to a group of people in had needing. You can't just decide that it's something different. And then in particular to be like, this white man is the king of sheet, and I know none of these people are talking about. They have no idea who during Corey is they have no idea what pairs is burning is, but it's fresher. But he is still the Kenosha is will forever be the king of shape. Just go sit by his tombstone hill. His from beyond. So God damn good Morning America. Get your shit together. That is very annoying, concur, Louis, what's your keep it Mike, if it is to Oscar movies that are what I call to-. Ask te'o w. ASC which is there's one woman. She's concerned. The new movie in this vein is first man in which clarify thinks things like, I don't know if my husband should be a wonderful astronaut I'm concerned about my wonderful astronaut husband, my wonderful astronaut husband did it anyway. There's a whole category of movies, competent men are hurting my husband. Who's radio back on this is Ryan Gosling? No. And who's new Armstrong? One of the bigger sign? Yes, he did a good job. Yeah, worried for nothing, but, but the whole movie to is get getting into Armstrong psyche and it's basically that their daughter died. When she was young and he became emotionally closed off. And so he's just an right. Right. He wanted to leave this planet. I like I love just by the way how gravity goes by the way. Sorry to interrupt you. I love clarify way. So this is upsetting news. It's very disappointing. I was ready for her to serve. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure she's great. She just probably as you pointing out Lewis is given little to nothing to run. On YouTube. Totally. This is just a category of movie going back to like the deer hunter Merrill, just like as she put it herself, they needed a woman to stand between the men. The king speech is a little like this with Helena Bonham Carter giving an Oscar nominated hug to her husband shit like this. It's just like when like the only novelty of the characters that it's the, the one woman, it's just that's not like a related character. That's not it's sort of like if you saw the movie the post, which is not a movie like this that I'm talking about, it's if the only female character and it was the Sarah Paulson character who's just like, let me tell you the stakes of what you're doing. My husband that kind of role spotlight. Right. Well, well, that's an interesting case because she is the one woman, but I would say she's the least developed of those characters and still just concerned. So it does count. Yeah, imitation game. Another movie like that. Moving the Hello on while there shouldn't really have been a woman in imitation game anyway. Right? Yes, even care who's like I finished this crossword puzzle or whatever. For her part in that movie should've been another man for him to have sex with. The Nick machine was his anyway. Yeah, keep it to that. You know, that's from j. Damian Chazelle the director of LA La Land, but also whiplash which I do love an has no women in it. Sorry, moving on anyway. My keep it this week. I feel like I just keep it to democrat party. 'cause they have been having a week annoying. The fuck outta me first off Hillary Clinton thinks she is sink. She and her husband are being on saying, Jay z. as they're embarking on this tour together, and she was recently asked on CBS during the show Sunday morning. In retrospect, you think Bill should have resigned in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. And she said, absolutely not. And she was asked, it wasn't an abuse of power and she said, no, Lewinsky wasn't adult. Well, that's bad. I wish she didn't say that. He just you just what did your pantsuit? Why are you doing this for like a month out from the midterm. Where are you talking unless it's, hey, Georgia, unless it's driving people in fucking Georgia to the poll? I don't. I we have right now. I would love Hillary just pulled up in a bus, a moated, some voters and took him to the poll go to Indiana charter every bus in Indiana. Like, yeah, it wasn't just her though. Elizabeth Warren, one of one of my, what are you say? She's a white Fave instead of watching ballers and my own business, she decided to respond to Trump's incessantly racist comments that she's polka Hanis because before she said that, you know she has a native American person as one of her ancestors. So she finally released DNA test this week, deep Maury cred providing quote, strong evidence that she had a native American in her family tree, dating back six to ten. Two generations. I almost give credit for what she said. Like I guess Trump's that if she found evidence that he she, he would donate money. But then of course, guess what he did said, literally, who cares and his moved on right play with him on his level. He doesn't care. He just dismisses you on doing stupid shit, look dumb. I was I was on the plane and saw two people watching Fox News where you know that evil villain, Laura Ingraham was cackling about this with a panel and I was like, I can see why this is funny, right? It's so absurd, six to ten generations. Aren't we all related to each other at Cherokee then? Yeah, right or whatever. No, I don't go around calling by self white, but we know slave masters of a good time that certainly wasn't fifty ten generation. That's like three to four. This is like with Demi Levato tweeted that she one Africa. Raven. Simone says she was from every continent and Africa, except for one Elizabeth. Florida's from every native American tribe. Generally, if you do a DNA test, maybe just keep it to yourself. Yeah, I think I don't know that we ever ever need to the weird, murky thing of like eugenics words like white people. Love talking about how you know DNA determined certain things and it's like, oh, it's fun. Like I have this native Americans again a in me. But like what about actual native Americans who are actually part of a native American community didn't we just disenfranchise. Jakoda who like so many of them are not going to devote because of a raises fucking law that they that you have to have. You can't have a PO box as an address to vote. You have to have like an actual, you know, whatever like street address and so many people who live on reservations. They use PO box addresses. And these people know that which is why the law traditions, how they made their streets and things and they, they also have to have PO box because we shoved them on exactly. You know they're not just down the block from your local kolber shop. PSU think when Trump does is next rally. He's still not gonna call her focus exactly. The also grocer sort of thing about when she came out with this is it was also sorta proved that because part of the Pocahontas thing was the fact that she used her native American ancestry to sort of get jobs like her teaching job because it was like an affirmative action thing, and it was sort of releasing this and being like, I got this job, you know, because of my skills because I was smart, not because of this DNA and I'm like, it's sort of this weird thing where it's like a look. This didn't hinder me like, right, I'm smart because of a white woman. I don't. It's the whole thing messing messy. And I wish he hadn't done it just it's a good lesson that every time you try to. From several you looked on, there's no one who ever best him because he's so stupid and he's willing to go so much lower than you and like the stakes of all. This are stupid, like the stakes of release your DNA tests. Now donate money. That's stupid. You donate money. You don't need Trump to donate money. Carnival, he's not the only person with money and like, oh my God, if he doesn't do it, they'll never get it like, it's just the stakes are dumb you only ever looked on, and it's crazy to me that after two years of this shit people haven't figured that out. And when it's like six to two generations ago, that's just going to be fodder for people to make fun of you. It's not like it was your your dad. The test has. Its final person is sometimes democrat, Bernie Sanders only when elections coming up. He told Jake tapper who recently on following me because we dragged him about tweeting about Obama beyond onto, yeah. He told Jake tapper I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities when it comes to liberal protesters, sir. Mr. I marched with Martin Luther King, are you out of your guy, Dan mind, eights, like everyone, forgets history. Does anyone remember the Boston tea party? Does anyone do you remember the revolutionary war? Do you know what the word revolution means? It did not mean that down and chatted what is wrong with no one knows any. I mean, the Boston tea party was an actual tea party. I had a lovely time. It's just such a like a historical bazaar weighed at again. It's like you don't. Why even why? Why even bring that up? Why talk about that the the wording of that is real bad, really gross. My final point is people doing too many stunts giving too many interviews when we are mere weeks from midterm elections buses and take people register doing voter turnout. That's what you should be dealing. Yeah, you don't need to be on CNN doing whatever. What was he? What was even like origins for this for this interview hockey about he's just talking the Jake tapper. I don't know dance competition show. Yeah, he's got to promote. And also this is part of the stuff that prevents young people from wanting the vote because they see politicians pulling stunts and like making a mockery out of things, and they don't feel like, you know, wanna be involved. Also look at, like, for example, like the parkland students were like they have. There was this wave of demonstrations in protests that they've been spearheading and it's young people and that super important. So then to have this old, ask white man be like, I don't believe in disruptive politics. It's just like, what are you doing? What are you doing? That's literally the thing that is energizing people that's making them feel like they have any fucking control over the country. They live in. Why on earth? Would you say anything that can maybe even stifle that at all to suggest that like the status quo somehow preferable. That's to me what that quote says. So, yeah, that is gross in very much the opposite of the spirit of the parkland does black ladies who who shut him down. That rally, four or five, whatever the month was probably about. Okay. He was like, can we be little nicer? We know do this March, you know, on a on a Sunday morning, people aren't trying to get to work. Shut up. It. That's what happened. Well, we'll never know anyway when we're back. Nothing because that's show by.

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How Did You Get So Dope Queen? with Phoebe Robinson

Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness

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How Did You Get So Dope Queen? with Phoebe Robinson

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I'm Jonathan bananas at every week I sit down for a forty minute conversation with an absolutely brilliant expert to learn all about something that makes me curious on today's episode I joined by half of the super funny crimefighting power diva couple to dope queens, Phoebe Robinson, where I'm trying to figure out Phoebe. How did you become so dope? Hey, what can you get them really excited? I'm just going to rip the band aid of our guests because there's too much build up until. Ever. Bill. Getting curious BB Robinson, Honey. How are you really happy to see you? Good to see you, too, on TV for one or actually watch on Instagram. Oh thank you wash. My hands. The story stories I like you have great contel. Thanks. I try you know. So take me back. You were born. Okay. Basically roskin say every episode is like jeopardy, and every episode is a question. Yeah. So, like, how did you get DM dope? I don't know. I still feel like I'm kind of a DUI absolutely. But I don't know would never have the snatch of a hair. That's sure I do. Thank you Sabrina. She hooked triple threat. She's got a triple threat snatch pony going on the as she got three. I think three opponents is the base, who's got some raids working up in there. Honey? She's looking like dim Royal Queen, Honey you looking like you know what it looks like I need, you are salons, who just survived the battle of winter fell, Honey. You got promotion because you're alive. And now Christine Aguilera is like, you know, a bitch, no more of I loved your little baby like your little headband with your little afro missile launch. But now, actually you're going to be having this. Dauth. Raqi braid bitch. Yes, no one can get the best of you. Yes, I watch don't you? I love all caught up on game of thrones. All up. It was very stressful. What we're gonna do right now is we're going to put in a marker for if you're not caught up on game of thrones. If you have not seen spoiling going to be up through episode three of this season game of thrones we could have been talking about this for six or seven minutes. Yes, we have to. So for me. Yes, I was very surprised with this episode three turn of events because I was of the thought that they were going to go that route of Nike was going to go to king's landing, transform blonde share and all those people, you know, volume Carol Brady. Yeah, they were going to transform all those people to white walkers thought that they were gonna come on up and get the beleaguered last twenty standing and just thought that it was going to be that. But that's the thing that's great about G O T is be they never give you what you expect. They always. Switch it up on you with the white walkers are dead. Do we? Yes. I really I think we're moving forward. I mean we still have we have so much to get through. Only three episodes. Do you not think that there's like a maybe an alive white Walker a baby somewhere? I don't think so, because once you kill the net king, they're all dead, and that's always been the cements always been the history of it, because this isn't real. But I just this is the history of the white walkers. So back in the time when. Well, used to calm, tubby lobby. But that was back in the day, when it was cool to you in comedy back in two thousand and thirteen we were still body sharing. We were still body shaming back then we would not. We do not call that him anymore. Samuel tirelessly us, and I don't I used to because he's w w what do we call him now? We're going to edit impost. You. Have to say you know. Yeah. But remember when he killed that night Walker the white Walker that one time in season, five? Yes. Don't you remember maybe when he killed him, some other white walkers that he was with also shattered? So is that like Lieutenant that he killed back, then I was there one alone. I think that was one a lot. I don't remember. I know he shattered, but I don't think he was a Lieutenant because you don't think he didn't have white hair, the White House, the white hair and dad. Yeah. The night king has a crop top from strawberry. So it's a very. So we really really they're gone. Yeah. They're done. So which you know what? I think it's great. I'm glad that aria was the one who did it that coming, I fucking screamed when he grabbed her throat, I was like this is where we're all done. I thought hurting throw is going to get burned from his hand. Ooh, Brian got like that burn arm. Or whatever the iceberg. Yeah. Skiing face win burn. No. But it was a great episode. I saw Giora that hit me so hard. Oh, geor- white. Yes. Oh, yeah. I call him downtown Carlisle's Carlisle. I call him white Drake because he's very thirsty for love and never going to get it. You know. Wow. Why do you love? He just doesn't want to settle down. Right. But like am I right like drink? If you wanted to, he just doesn't want to write hasn't met me, and he's like you. So and I get it. Yeah. Wouldn't that be such news? To started dating. It'd be great to rake. Are you sure that you're not intellect mustaches? And like kind of like a full figured like massage having, like collarbone length. Bob, sort of key could be into it. He just hasn't met you yet. And also so modern feeling like me and like his baby mama just really working together to like you're gonna oh my God. The copan. Thought about that aspect yet, but that could be good. I honestly could be poly, if they wanted to get together to. Like, honestly like it's maybe it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it could do Polly. I don't know if I'm with rebel personnel. I think I'm very bipedal, you know, bipedal means what is that like to, to, to together like bipedal by two people? Yeah, yeah. I'm soups Monagas. Like I only want just like one person, and that's it. I think it could be cute, though, like once a year if you guys like went to that place in Paris, where we call the street people go to swing. There's this apparently apparently there's this place in Paris, and I'm not gonna bus anybody out, but I've heard about it several times. There's this place where the heterosexuals go to swing embarrassed pay everyone. Who's anyone has been there? I've heard Berg has he been there? Okay. That's hot. You have my friends with someone who I just mouthed. Yeah. Yup. Just now they hooked up and beyond major Steven Spielberg. So once once I think, once year it could be interesting for heterosexuals have sort of a situation like that. You know, you're in Paris, they're not threat to your relationship, just as we are a people who likes to have fun. Yeah, but in general, I do agree and you get miles to. So it's like it's worth the trip. Oh, yeah. Who even thought of that way? Yes. Okay. So back to drones. Yes. So now episode three predictions for how do you think it's going to end up? I mean I don't know. I was going to end a fairly certain that Jamie is going to kill sir city. I would be so into a deal love making one last hurrah. And then he just that'd be, but that's messed up to have violence against women like that. Maybe she's gonna kill him like that. Maybe she's gonna pay mantis him. No, sir. She is out of control. She has to die. She might praying mantis him, though. And she might kill him and then someone else is going out to kill her. You know what? I'm saying he. Yeah. Because she might pregnant him I don't know. They're going to do it. And she didn't eat us had ride on off. So you want to win. No. Okay. Here's the thing. So he just did kind of, like win me over, because she made friends with her. Shame of being in love with her brother. Yeah. She used to be ashamed of it, and she's screaming it from the rooftops and I just think it's wow, I mean that's great. But I think she went too far when she basically like threatened to kill Jamie. You remember. Season seven when they had that, like fight in the mountain was there. Jamie walked away. I was like your, your out of pocket. We gotta calm down. And the fact that she didn't take the she liked didn't, you know, side with John deniro's, and make sure like the what I'll Mike, you're not in this for the right reasons, not to use like a bachelor thing, but she's not here for the right reasons, so. Oh, yeah. She's not. And I wanna see her lose. Yeah. I do want to see her lose. Yeah. So we who do you think is ultimately going to win. For a while. It was like I think maybe Tyrian could get on the throne. But I don't know if that's the right ending. What in your heart of hearts is the right ending? I feel like aria being on the throne would be the right ending. I think John snow's gotta die. I think like you for real hasa die, this time and it'll be like devastating because he's not coming back. I like Sansa but I, I don't know if her I don't know. I think are you should take the throne. Well, where's Christina Aguilera fit into this? I don't know. I just I d- narrow is titled, she's an entitled white girl. She's been through. I want to say she has been through LA I'm not saying that she has it, but the way that she came into winter fell and was like, why is not everyone like bound at my feet. It's like Coscia Russia to dragons why. But what I'm saying is like, what she needs to learn as a leader is that it's not just about saying, I'm the leader like you need people to want to fight for you. And I feel like, for example, with the on came back to be like I wanna fight you Sansa like I don't think that deniro's inspires that in people in winter fell. And so it's like she still hasn't figured out how to be that leader yet and she's still of taking Trump approach. Yes. And when she was just like, you know, John, like your sister's like not being nice to me. I'm like, why are we having this conversation right now? Like the night king is fucking walking up here and you're like check your sister on my your priorities are not together. I don't know. I, I have a question, yes. The sock about if she had been like a woman of color, which she would she still be like title Weicker, like no? But he'd be like, would you be like, if she makes which why is, she having, like I wanna see to your manager, vibe or something? Yes. I, but I also think a black woman with should never have done like she should have been smarter in the fucking. I play we will. We will table this your sister's being wild. We'll table way. I'm gonna fuck him roast everyone right now. But like, you know, like a black one would have been like I can't come in hot like that. You know. But I do I do think there are, honestly, I'm sick of that. I'm ready for just like fucking take the lamposts and fucking shove it right up my ass. If I'm being like you know what I'm saying? Like I think you know, why can't she? Yeah. You know. Yeah. Maybe it's like, yeah I don't even I see what you're saying. Right. Who do you think is going to end up on the throne? I've had this long long idea, you know how in swimming at the la- as the Heat's go on, they get faster. And there's this thing called the outside smoker because it should be like, you know, the outside lanes or the slowest, and then, like the middle lane four and five or usually the fastest, like Michael Phelps was usually like, you know in lane four or five like the middle lane. Yeah. So he's outside smoker. You don't see them coming. Right. So I call her Lena Dunham. Yeah. But she is the sister. Oh yar. Might be out there sailing, the, the Nina Maria and the Santa Maria or whatever the name of the pinch on the Santa Maria, just have, and I think everyone might go wild and kill them. Kill every keep trying. And she just come home to like, a sort of everyone's guard bullshit and see my repopulate with those sailors going to train run on her with all these sailors. Give it a nice, one consensual trains such a lovely consensual kind of Polly joy train to the Hampton, and everyone is just working really hard to restock our shelves because so many people died. Yeah. Could be an outside smoker thought that for a while, just no one's really look into her and you know, because remember in the red wedding when we've all that time, building up all these, I think he might have done a lot of time, building up a bunch who actually. Yeah. Will really be there. Yeah. Okay, do you what do you think about that? Yarra. I think it's I think they really have to sort of set that up so feels earned. But I think that, that's a really interesting Smart Choice because I do think as a ruler. She has a great skill set. Yeah. 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But I don't think I could do nudity. Like I just wouldn't like one and tell my parents like tune in classy. Yeah. I don't know backless classy backless. I would do like drapey classic bucks. Do like shower shower scene. Whereas like there's a lot of missed there's a lot of water. You see, like my shower cap of wanted to be real, like black people having sex like I'm wearing a shower cap and the sexiness, I all not getting my hair, wet, I or or, or also just went to this, like, sort of a cleansing conditioner campaign like soap list shampoo really moisturizing, really hydrating. It's in the shower, you're commercials. Yes, is one of the commercial side. William were you with UTA? Oh, I need to get over to their endorsements because I really just had. I think I had a very good vision. It's, it's air campaign. It's very it's a cleansing conditioner. You know, very it's no soapy bubbles for you. And it's very. Why am I so until you doing topless scenes? I don't understand who would have known when I woke up this morning. I was gonna like Harris Phoebe Robbins getting curious. Well, I'm gonna just softly pivot away from there. But I do think that a gorgeous cleansing conditioner cat. It's shower. It's tiles, it's I want more commercials with you. Okay. Yes, I would my commercial would be my gene campaign would be fifty beauty. Yana does not need me, but I know she's got a she's got she's guy taken care of it's like hers, Duckie thought slick woods. Like that's a try fact of just like coca lease. You know what I mean? If I funny, I mean you got this because you've got that texture that pretty texts. But you also got that wig, that's true. If I could just be in the background, and one of the campaign, sucker, background grow. I think I'm feeling more like connect four hun-. You've got the. Yeah, just. Pat. Take us back. Yeah. It's the early nineties when I was born yeah, I was just wondering eighty four but Q eighty seven sisters. So, so you were born eighty four in Cleveland Ohio eveland home of libra, Jay, and Halle Berry. Yeah. I was just stand up in Cleveland town. I didn't know how cute she was very cute downtown. You're minding your business. Yes. Mine business. My parents have been married almost forty years still. Yes. Or they're just been fell in love my brothers back there. He actually got into politics and state Senator is a he's a state rep district six, and he flipped it federal one or the local state legislature. Oh, brother as a state legislature. I need flipped or red district blue and the eighteen mid-term Robinson djing year. Let us sweetheart. Yeah. I'm literally shook I talk about state legislatures a fair amount that Connick. I wish I really would have known that before my Cleveland show, I would have really brought the house down without piece of information. Wow. How's this? First term going, he's excited, I think is just sort of, like so he still has his so he does not profit work at city years, so he still has a job too, and he has two kids, so it's a lot and have you ever been more proud so proud of him? He's he went after his dreams and he just did it. And he's so smart. And so wonderful and so thoughtful, I think he makes his skill set as a leader LL, but I just think he's so great in the fact that he got in. And it was just like I wanna be a part of the change. I love I love it so much. And really like and we talked about this before, too. But, like state legislatures are just so much important because when you have like a crazy federal government happening if you're state legislatures q. Can you actually Kinley protect your state and like your actual immediate residents from some of the lake torrential? You know, tendencies of the federal government. Yeah. It's all in our constitution who would've known your brother. Is it the first person in your family who ever got into politics? Oh, I know. So it's so great. Like he's doing his thing. I'm doing my thing here in New York. So it's just like real little Lacey. Funny to he is funny. I think he's just sort of, like, oh, Mike whatever but he is really funny. Is your older brother a little older for years older? So you are just a little baby is in Ohio. And then you decided to move to New York. Seventeen and you got here and you were like I'm just doing open mic nights or something. Well, I moved here because I always wanted to live in New York. And I wanted to work in film, producer screenwriter. And I was like a move to New York, it's going to be just like, Felicity. Like there's going to be guys in my dorm fighting over me that did not happen, just want to make that clear. What was not making out haircut or something? Like an a haircut that no one saw coming in. So if the dick gamers. It could mess up her it mess up. Show getting a haircut? Honestly, I get here. I what I will say people overreacted to the haircut. I thought she looked so cute. She looked at durable. Yeah. People were but it was a hard it was a slider curveball when they were expecting that fastball. You one of those natural curls, those there were long, but that wasn't you just you just do not Butch. I was not cool. Maybe you just weren't going to the right parties. I mean, maybe but I just think I had like no game social anxiety. I you know, I was still wearing just like Oshkosh, you know overall. I may candidate. Okay. I feel like that's like I would be a perfect candidate for your show like wearing those overalls you'd be like feeds. Maybe I don't know Tim lesson over on overall but I do think I had several extreme awkward, vases, in my late teens early twenties. I mean, even up till twenty the beginning of gay of thrones, which is like twenty thirteen still because you know what it is. Once you get a checking account that is a lot of your awkward vases. That's true. It does because like before I had money I was all that's the best I could do. Yeah. Like any money helps a lot. Yeah. You're right. He get like direct deposit. Like you can go to our duck. Cute out. I couldn't do that back. So anyway, you go to college went to college gray I studied writing. And then I like improv on campus was like SuperFood college here Pratt institute in Brooklyn, you did. Yeah. Have you were just like mining your own little baby business going to school? I was I was like a little a student did improv I was date Lewis. And then I graduated, and I want to say, I was twenty two thousand eight my friend Lindsay, we went to we were the same major together, and she wanted to take a stand up class and I was like I don't really watch it. I think it's stupid. Like, like I knew like Chris rock and Ellen Degeneres, like I didn't really watch stand up. And she was like, we'll just do together, you hate your day job because I was as an executive assistant, an indie film company. And I just didn't like it. Like I thought I was gonna love it, and I was like, oh, I don't think I like being an office every day besides the class with her a Caroline's on Broadway. Linda Smith was my teacher and yeah, I just fell in love instantly. And then, so that was July, two thousand eight and men. I got laid off from my job. Tober two thousand eight and I took that as a sign, and I was like, oh, that's a universe clearing the path for me to be like you should double down. So I just like to temp job or Baraka, just gotten elected. Yeah. And the because before it was Bush, then Barack, it's elected me, he and Hillary go head to head. Yeah. Then you get laid off right after he gets elected. It's I know right before October. Yeah. A month of four Barack, it's elected. You get laid off your thug. It I'm going to do stand up. Yeah. And then what happened and then I got he Brooklyn's I got laid off, and then I just did Tim jobs like I tempt at mathematically attempted like any other little places doing like admin stuff and I got a job at an internet company being assistant, and I would just do stand up at night. Like I would go to Staten Island, do you like shows in biker bars, like, you know, all that stuff like very unglamorous shows where like you're not getting paid. No one's paying attention. But it makes you stronger and that was like eleven years ago. I just like really commences Mayes alling it back. Or whatever I was. And then I just sort of was like, it's very hard to, like make it in stand up because it's like unless you have a following, like, no one cares that you're doing only got into it because I got a following I had like a really shitty like spoiled where you doing stand up before I will. Well, so, like I like I met Margaret show in two thousand fourteen from gave thrones like you really need to do stand up. But I was like, I would have a nervous breakdown, but what I would love to do is just like style your hair before you go. Do CNN. So I went to like a bunch of shows with her, and I would do her hair before she would go on. I would just like listen and choosing my idol growing up. Like I did watch comedy central a lot growing up like that's where I got introduced to stand up specials. They have at night, and so like her and Lisa lamp Nellie in legion Garoppolo. And like those are like my like, ladies, I was coming out of these ladies, there's no petty. And so I didn't really try to do it until it was like January of two thousand seventeen and it was like right before queer eye came out. I was like I did it like top secretly, New York. Like not putting on my Graham. Just like trying it because I like friends that you and I had friends that like UCLA, and like other friends that just cut like little shows here and there. So I was like let me just try it. And Margaret had been talking I needed to do it forever. And then by the time I did it the first time I was like, no, I do love making people laugh, even if I suck at it, but I really just kind of learned kind of like on the job, which is funny, because, like probably like my twentieth show or like ten. Probably like my eighth ninth and tenth show was like, selling out, like, you know, huge shit and like San Francisco and Seattle thousand like place venues, and being like like high. I can sense. My heart in my ear lobe. And, and I also feel like I have diarrhea. Yeah. But this is totally normal. Like you just did like three hundred meet and greets. Also totally normal don't think too much about it. Just drink the seventeen coffees and get out there. It's swing for the Ben says. It has been very surreal, by feels like going on, like zip line or something. Yeah, it's crazy. But it's like so fun. And I really love it. And so I just really fell in love with doing stand up and then, you know, Jessica, I met twenty fourteen. So I was like six years in and I was just doing background on. I think she was doing on the daily show about lack woman's here in the military, and it was like unpaid was just at a hair salon, and we like knew of each other. I just literally accent in the background like no lines, and that really just started change the trajectory of my career. So that was like, really sort of always say, like sometimes it sucks, to do things that aren't paid. But sometimes you get good stuff out of it. Yeah. Is it hairdresser rated tons of ship for free for shutouts for exchanges or whatever, just is I think, at some point, you've got to know when to draw the line, but it's sometimes it's good to know. Like I did so much stuff for free and continue to do stuff for free. When I need to. But so do you guys met in new, you guys just were like let's do to queens like had this little baby idea. So we had known each other because she I was basically when I graduate college before I started doing standup, I did in private UCB, took a class. And I was like, oh, this is cool back. Can't really keep before you do this. But she was basically, like on an LA doing UC being she was like the only black girl. Now's the only black girl here. And so we knew of each other. So when we're just, you know, downtime doing this shoot at today show at the daily show. I was like, I have sort of have this podcast that was doing out of my one bedroom apartment that had, like a Roach problem and like a leaky ceiling, but I was like it's not ratchet like it's really like we've had some awesome people like, okay. So I had her be a guest on the show as like a podcast. I was like putting up into soundcloud like it was not like professional. But I like Tom myself how to add in all these things interview, so she came over. She did it. We have so much fun. And she says, she always wanted to try stand up, and I was like, well, let's just hosted a show together as goof, and then she was like, okay, great. And she left and then, like, ten minutes of the she left. I accidentally deleted the interview. Nightmare. I know so I texted her was like. So accidents deleted, our interview. But I'll still see you next month to do our show. Right. And she was like, yes. Sure fine. Whatever. Garneau. So I was like such a piece of shit, and then we did the show and it like east. East, and it was called Gloria because I was named my blog black Doria, and we just sort of like had this amazing chemistry like onstage like we were going to do all this prepared stuff. But we didn't have time. So it was like you say, some things, I'll say something's, and would just sort of riff and do improv together. And it just sort of worked, and we were like this feels like a really cool. I eight when you just like smash right away. You're like, yeah, this is fine. And so we just were like, yeah, let's do this again. And then just sort of snowballed, and we're like this is something special, we should sort of like change the name and really like do like a proper podcast, and that really sort of kind of changed. Everything was crazy. We're gonna be right back with more getting curious with right after this. Hey, getting curious listeners slash just like curious listeners. Do you wonder how dating apps shape, our ideas of love and romance? I know I sure do whether technology has changed who we considered family. I wonder that too or what the blockchain actually is. 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I see this huge billboard with you too. It's like two queens. I'm like, what is that? And I think that was the specialists, and that's where I got really introduced you 'cause I really didn't like I knew about throwing shade. And I knew about serial, then I knew about to queens, the special on HBO then I went back and listened to the pod. So I kind of had like a reverse introduction, that's pay. But those are the only positive I kneel like before kind of getting into my own so really like your time in comedy has been really expensive. Like you've seen your young woman, but you've had like, like eleven years doing this, at least like part-time or full-time Lincoln some amount of your time, but dedicating a large amount of your time to like figuring out the crap or not your timing like getting it together. And obviously, there's been so much that's happened in that time in terms of just who gets booked on what. Shows are still like a gross like sub current of, of the drop ins of like. Like Louis C K, for instance who if you go back into gave thrones archives, we really literally doing jokes about him from like things. He had done to like friends of friends of friends on thrones like an episode like literally back in, like, two thousand like we, we had our finger on that pulse a hot second. But you that's one thing I like about your stories and like on your Instagram is like you'll speak to like. Because you were at a show like, like it was like it was at New York comedy club. It wasn't Louis. It was a different comedian. But I was just definitely sort of like, and I, I don't wanna say, everyone was a feed post grow on it. You were like this is going to be a my stories. I'm putting this on my feed. Well, yeah, because I feel like you know, you go to comedy clubs. You do theaters or whatever there is no sort of HR. So if someone a predator can just show up and work, and no one's gonna stop them. And I was just sort of, like, I think comedy clubs kind of have to step it up in a way and be like, I'm just not going to let you perform here. If you're going to be sexually abusive in the workplace or outside the workplace. And so for me, it's was just like not a matter being a hypocrite, but I'm like, I think because I am so outspoken about things that if I don't say, well, I just won't perform this show, then it's like I'm making a stand on social media, but not in real life inside just wanted to carry it over into my real life. And it just be like I don't have to be on a show. If some unannounced comic is gonna come on who has a his. History a pattern of sexual abuse of behavior. I just don't need to just pull out. Yeah. I just was like I left straight up. I called a lift, and I left and I, I absolutely love. Oh, I have to say from my own shows I don't love. And also, I think this is from like yours doing hair, and I'm kind of like a schedule Queen just 'cause like I am a hairdresser and like I don't want the bleach to sit in for an extra like fifteen minutes and I kind like because like the job is to make it look like it's all finding games but really like I'm trying to stick to a schedule and you know how like when the show starts at eight thirty, obviously, it's not really gonna start to like eight forty because ever violent and stuff. But I'm not trying to start at like eight fifty year on like an eight thirty show, eight forty for sure. But that's but my shows are kind of, like, you know, I'm sure in Tudo queens, like this. You have like your four people or your three people and you have your list, and, like how many people are going, how much time you're going to do between. So I don't really love it, because I've had this happen to me at certain venues where like, like really famous person will come and want to be like, oh, can they just do a Kosova minute dropping late? Never just do seven minutes. And I'm like. No, that's like more like three times. I can think of, of three different people, and I love the person, but it's my agenda like my own ings. I like I will perform badly you. And I don't want to resent you. Yeah. You know, and if you really would have just like asked me a week ago. Yeah, we could have like done a judge. But I don't like an unexpected mome. Yeah. You I don't mind an unexpected moment, but I think I must just be like uptight. I'm surprised that. You are. I am. Yeah. Yeah. I am. I don't mind I think it could be like fun for shows and stuff. But I do think as long as a person's not a create. Then you none of these people were even cruise it's like, no, it's really going to give me like, like, yeah. Because like there's like another showed eleven. And I just like I can't be a more will have a breakdown. Yeah. I think that's like, maybe that's like a little bit of like a hairdressing timing. PT essay from hair-color Jonathan you're on a comedy show. You don't have to such a stickler about it. You know. But you know what? Sometimes it's I say BU, because only just go to bed. Always Elway obsessed with going. Go out. I don't need to go to parties. Yeah. But how who's your whereas? Whereas the one that was like how has your observations only being a comedian and being like a working comedian and actress and content creator like in this age of like kind of because we're like in an interesting time because I don't feel like I'm at all like when people are like, oh, well, you know, if we start like doing cancelled culture, and if we start like I'm like. Yeah. But I feel like there's a difference between like subscribing to cancel culture and then just like, holding people accountable and being like because it's a concentrated was saying about what was that essay, she wrote and it was like really because she was like these, I don't wanna have to like, when you not is like when you like when you have to sell it. It's like this is the choice to celebrate these people like awards. Yeah. So it's like that's kind of what is for comedy. I like we can just like celebrate like other people like he's like it's like becoming links shaker to celebrate people that aren't problematic. Yeah. Or you could just be like you can allow I think you can definitely allow for everyone. We all have to go, like, we all have certainly made jokes that ten years ago that we wouldn't make now because we're smarter. So I think there has to be wound for that. But if you are being truly a toxic person and really being destructive than I think it's fair to, to sort of guess counsel someone. But I do think that a lot of times, I think some of the problems that people can have council culture. Is that like you're holding? To standards that you wouldn't even hold yourself to right. That's working get tricky, where it's like I read that what, what article I think it was like USA today, someone wrote, this op Ed because Kamala Harris owns a handgun like this disqualifies her as being like being a good candidate for presidency, and I was like, what? Earn rely would make a lot of people in Arkansas like one of Oprah her. It's also Mike. So you don't have a problem with her policies that she owns a like it just felt very like you're picking this once Pacific thing that I don't even know necessarily informs or policy at all. And then now you're being like, well, she she can't be president. Yes. Very blanket statement. Right. And that's I think the problem that it could it can grow into. But I think for the most part, I think we are living in a better time where you sorta can't you have to be a little bit smarter. I think we're all like a little sloppy before. And I went to be a little smarter. And like be clean it up a little bit more. And I think that's always great. I'm noticing that I have this really annoying habit, isn't where where if I'm into the person interviewing or if I'm nervous. I will ask a question and then talk through the entire question, and then not even end up like asking the question I meant to ask because I get nervous. I do that. Unless she if I looked up to the president of interviews, Heike, some Windsor believe what I was trying to say, like in your time in comedy. Do you feel like 'cause sometimes I feel like in queer eye? Like we'll get this feedback of like oh you. Like like we've come such a far away, like like Julie really like do, we really need to show that celebrates like this diversity, because like we've come so far, like an end, then it's like actually we haven't come as far as we think that we have. And I think a lot of times we just like to make ourselves feel like we've come farther than we have. But in reality, if you know where to look, there's like a whole bunch of stuff that we really need to work so much harder on and do so much better about as far as like. Homophobic attacks like bullying access to healthcare for women, like there's all sorts of stuff that like are, are really under serious threat and like backside, but then at the same time we'll be like, oh, that we've come so far like things are, but it's like, no, we really need to keep our eyes open. So in your time in comedy, like in light of you, and in the in light of, you know, we like to think of ourselves, as like becoming more diverse over time. Do you feel like from where you sit like comedy, specifically is becoming more inclusive and more diverse and celebrates like different voices outside of those same view? I think like yes and no, I think what's great now is allowed to change is being, you know, sort of field by technology where this like broad Sadie start as a web series to queens as a podcast, ISA race, are as a web series. So you can sort of, you know, create your own thing and build your own audience. And then when networks or the powers to be that come knocking it's like you either want this package or you don't. And this is not a package that you can change your buying this. So I think that's huge. I think you know. Having some like an overdue Rene is like very huge by think overall, like as long as the gatekeepers remain old white guys, as long as the heads of networks remain old white guys that don't know if comedy is going to have changed as much as long as like you know, we're not celebrating, like women and people in color, and queer people in these spaces or they're giving us many opportunities to fail as some white guys are there. So there are some guys as industry where it's like they can mess up as much as they won. They can have as many projects not work out, and they'll still be given opportunities or or, or like just straight guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also straight white guys. Yeah. But there's like one in particular who I can think of who is he's straight. But he's not white, but Honey, goddamn. Yeah. And so it's. And so, I feel like there are ways in which that, like, I think it'd be cool. I think change we're really happy when, like you and I are allowed to really experiment and try all different kinds of projects, and whether they are successful or they failed, we still have a thriving career. That's when I think, real change happens who do you? Yes. Who do you who is your on? Is this like, you know, because you're Robinson, Honey? You are very, you know, you've been in a lot of places Honey. You've got your ear to the gutter. Very interesting. Wayne's comedic landscape. Any who do you think is like the young Phoebe Robinson, the young Michelle Buteau? That's real like she's like the Rosalie, Evan of the comedic world. Have you heard of this Rosalia this singer girl this, when you're older tonight, she is singing, her little? She followed her Instagram. She's killing it so hard. She's just such good music. It was like the twenty year old twenty two year old or maybe she's like a thirty year old earth fifty year old but you just started calling me like a month ago. I really like I really like Nori Davis. We went to college together, but he's super funny and his brothers. He has, like all this really smart wonderful just like beautiful trans material just about race about politics like he so amazing. So let Davis I love. PD day Abreu. He's like I think he's from the Bronx. He's like a really funny guy is do allow shows together. I really like Joyal, Nicole Johnson. She super awesome. I think she gets up a lot at the seller, she's done so stuff for comedy central. So those three are like, just really super duper love. And those are all New York people right here, all New York people. Yeah. You think of like a random Chicago, we're like a west coast, one for people in America that are in New York, Marcella Gueo is based in LA. I think she's very, very funny. She has an album out called the woke bully. She did to queens. She I absolutely love her obsessed. She's great. Yeah. Q like off the top of your head or. So that was like comedy to kind of you have become a multi, hyphen E, which is not your fault. You've been very busy, and you have, you know, you came in into much success, much touring make much ability to write books, and do these deals. Like, I guess I really wanna hear this is like a eight questions in one. Okay. But like what have been because I love the title of your first book while up to the child both, but was the title of the first, you can't touch my hair and other things I still have to explain and a minute and a half because we have like five ish to seven is left. What is the like what is the back cover of the book like trailer synopsis of he can't touch my hair? Okay. So if black women are constantly having their hair, touched by mostly white people, and I also know this like, I'm here. And so I was like, really love essay collections by Tina Fey into kaylene. So I thought I would sort of right. You know, essay collection about like growing up in, like falling in love with my hair and talking about raise family and being an aunt and like, you know, breaking into comedy. So that was sort of like the first book in the second book, everything's trash, but it's okay, sort of was inspired because, you know, number forty five is an office and I was like he wasn't soup like the villains not supposed to win, but he won. But then I was really inspired by, like, whether it's a women's March or black lives matter. And like all these people being like, we're, we're going to take back things and not just leave it up to the few folks in power. So that sort of inspired the book. So then I talked about the second book coming out of sixty five thousand dollars worth of debt, how I met my boyfriend, British bake off Manson, British bake off. No, no. That's his nickname. But he is from he was talking God, who is he? Who is he? Paul hollywood. No. But my, my boyfriend's, British. So he doesn't want his name out there. So I call them British bake off. And so I just really sort of wrote about, like feminism and politics and all those things and body, positively and I really just proud of both of those books love, and you can get those are so good. And then is there any other gorgeous project that's coming up for you, when it was happening. Yes, I have. I'm doing like my I like solo headlining tour around the country. I'm very excited. It's called sorry, Harriet Tubman, basically, like the idea of just came because I'm kind of like a hot mess and I'm trash. Now, Mike here too did not fight for equality. So I could be like a hot mess. So I'm low key apologizing for all the ways, I'm bigger it. But having fun with it. And so, yeah, I'm traveling. I'm doing, you know, Atlanta due to say I, I mean, I didn't personally know her knowing Mr. by a few generations, but I feel like she'd much proud okay hope. So doing is using your platforms like lift up other artists all the time. You literally like like Titanic lifeboat at your career lasts like you helped everyone else. All these other people up like all these people smashing seriously like release the port like this. I mean but obviously best supporting actress, but now, you're like having your moment, to like in, you need the Honey. You're fucking dead. Jim talented. Thank you. But people can see me on the road, I'll be performing in Scotland at Edinburgh for the for the EPA found two weeks of August August twelfth through the twenty fifth. But if you go to FIBA, Robson dot com slash tour, you can get all tickets and have merged, you know, hang out, take pictures and, you know, trying to be cute. Okay. Go you guys got to do that. And this is the final yoga up question. Okay. This is the biggest concern for our country. And I love that your brother is in politics. It's not going to be about, as you think it is, okay? We'll be really how bad you wanna make. So I'm really fascinated by people because I'm from rural Illinois. Like I'm from my five hours southwest of Chicago but my whole family's Dylan. My hometown called Quincy and then like your is most of your family on Cleveland, but you moved to New York. So it's like I will say is put on Instagram like step to the effects like y'all need to talk to your aunt. Linda's about, you know, because there's a lot of. So I feel like like the Trump supporters and you know, there are only pro-life even though headlight they had, like six abortions and the, like are not able to separate like their own personal views from like, like what women need to be able to do with their doctors and such. So like what do you think is? Or how do you. How do you engage with that? Like what's your ear to the ground on Ohio, like 'cause, you know, that's such a swing state, she's very emblematic of like what who's going to win for president, like so really? I don't exactly know what the question is, what do we need to do talk to our families? If you're someone who lives in New York early, like, how do you talk to your family? Like, how do we get our brothers to rent for local run for state ledge was that really his journey that you didn't tell them to do that? Like he always kind of wind to be an apology get into politics. But I think it was always like a little nervous in a little frayed, and I was just sort of like life is short. And, you know, like for Edmundo doing comedy for eleven years, I always say, the first eight and a half years, I was insanely broke, like, no one knew who the hell I was, we kinda have to go for it if you anything he change. And so, I feel like the biggest thing that we have to do or one of the biggest things it's like I can say as much as I want to say, but, like people's normally listen to people who look like them or have like the same experiences them. And so, I feel like me sort of being like Ohio, you gotta do this, this, this is not nuts. -sarily gonna work, but like you said like everyone sort of has, like talk to their group and really have conversations like real honest conversations about why they're voting the way that they're voting because a lot of times, you know, people are really passionate or they might be focused on, like one like single issue that directly affects them the we'll be something that I am not thinking about, you know, because I like I'm not appearance. I don't I don't you know, live on like a smaller time was knives me like job opportunities. So it's like there are a lot of things that, like I might miss. So I really want us to have real truthful honest conversations about, like what's going on our lives is making people wanna vote the way they want to vote, and then also we have to not discredit facts. I feel like we are now in a world in which facts don't matter. And I'm like, I think we have to return back to facts being the thing that counts the most, like we really have to take those into account, we really have to be like, you can't say one thing, and he's like, oh, I didn't say it and might that means you didn't say it's like yes you did. I'd say so there has to be a level count Billy I don't think that's happening right now and that starts from the top down, it's forty five like he just does wherever the funky wants. And then like he just goes, why didn't do it moving on? And that's crazy. I can't do that. So worried about what he's doing with women's access to healthcare, and like the creating these at these rallies, in Wisconsin in about like, you know, literally with late term abortion, and like, you know, inflating the numbers and making it so much worse than it released, especially in places like, oh, hi. Oh, that just passed fetal heartbeat Bill and really restricting women's access to healthcare, and like contraception. Which, like we gotta have that, like young women need to be able to determine like how they have babies. And when they have babies crazy, and we have to do the homework, we can't just rely on officials telling us like we have to also do the research and be like, I really want to know what the actual truth is. Yes. Which is twenty four weeks. Yeah. Which is not nine months. Yeah. Fever. Robinson so much John s I love you. And thank you for having me on. And your sweater is very cute much rainbow. Let's make some content for the Graham. And I just think you so much. Thanks for coming. On Instagram and Twitter at curious with J B N, our theme music is freaked by Quin. Thank you so much for letting us use it. If you enjoyed our show, introduced the friend show them how to subscribe, let them know spread the word spread the love getting carries out there to everyone, thank you so much for listening, and we love you to pizzas getting curious. It's produced by Cody. 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Michelle Starts Adulting!

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Michelle Starts Adulting!

"Adulting is supported by wicks dot com with wicks you can create your own professional website to tell your story, exactly the way you want build your site for free today. And when you're ready to go premium use the code adulting to get ten percent off any premium plan with a wicks premium plans, you get more storage, and a free domain for year, and so much more that spelled out W I X dot com with the code adulting. AD. U. L. T I, N G for ten percent off any premium plan. That's so. Okay. Listener supported w in y c studios. Hey, everybody is Michelle Bhutto. I know you miss me in your fees. Honey missed YouTube. But guess what? It's an early birthday foot at ask because I got a new show for you, and it's called adulting with my partner in crime. Jordan carlos. It's all about the art of adulting because guess what being a grownup is hard. There's taxes relationships with a capital are raising kids raising friends. I feel like kids, raising your partners that also feeling kid and fearing break up with the friend, how you break up with the friend. You can't just unpolished a bitch. They still show up. They still appear. These still. No, you Jordan. I talk it out with some of the funniest most creative adults around people like Jim gaffe. Again, why it's the knack Daniel Brooks Phoebe Robinson. And guess what y'all? It's all record in front of a live audience. So you wouldn't get that live audience feel gonna break conversation. It's so. I'm so excited to be back in the podcast, saddle, let's grow the fuck up together. Okay, here's a very first episode. Listen. And enjoy the ride. I know you will are you still wearing God. You know, you should. Everyone. I'm Shelby to- Jordan Carlos. And we're super excited to welcome you to dull. Tting from WNYC studios podcast where we learn how to adults together German. I have been friends for a long time, and we've been through a lot. I mean, we own property respectively have kids, we have nappy hair we have to get a gun. We recorded this show at union hall in Brooklyn, and it was so much fun. New me. Paragon was there. I love her so much. He has banks at Brown titties and full of stories of your words. Why syntax? Oh my God. Also, Brown titties great beard, and my Ryan, again, your words. Who else did we have Jordan Robinson? We just saw Phoebe she had a turban on and a KOMO, no. On a Wednesday on a Wednesday and she pulled in off. Plus, we get the most adult adulting question ever. So stay tuned. And let's all go the fuck up to. Belted bit pitchy. Bitches up in here, make some noise. If you're under thirty. If you could pass for under thirty. Again. You like me you in your forties. You doing it. Mother fucking. If you're standing makes a noise if you kinda worry about your knees right now, as like. I'm gonna be forty two July knees. And good, edges is what it's about anyways, welcome to adult thing. I'm Shelby told this is Jordan Carlos. Can show before. We got first timers in the crowd. Basically Jordan, I came up with the show like, well a little over a year ago. Like fuck he's got to take care of have, you know, back that a husband bills you get it. Dogs. I got more than two toilets got shit to do it. We were like adulting is hard. But we can't afford therapies, so now we have fruit therapy you've got. There were like getting through it. What do you think? Oh. Shower today. Everybody liked it. As I walk in a room. You're lying. Oh, my, we live in the country with his water, you need to. New York has the best water. The best water Trump right now. We got the best water. It's the best. Other waters. Loser water. It came from, like a crater lake of staters. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. It's anybody come here with a friend group at all. Talking. Coordinating Golz for doing this. You know, the thing about the friend group is because I know who is the organizer on the front group. But I was always the organizer as you can tell being present me, I'm like, this is what we should wear if we're going to go out, just like a color, palette just. She may be where this is coming. No. I didn't what you actually look good today. Understand a lot of your first timers. She's always like just Duncan on. He's very attractive guy. Right. And he's smart. He like reads, whatever you rain. He's, you know, looks like a guy that works at Uniqlo whether pants too tight, like he's still holding on, like Friday night lights like you peaked in high school. And. Bolting when? I did not in high school. I peaked summer of college. Okay. Sorry. Right. Right. Thank you. Oh for fucks sake, but getting to the friend grew. Yeah, I was up person that would organize a shade. And you know what the person at work and is, is the shit. Always ends up paying for stuff people were like I'll pay you back, and they fucking don't. Who who paid for the tickets in my one person paper to tickets? Anyone put you out all. The minute you sit on a date or whatever the fuck that you like. You don't know what to do. Be busy. Is that? Tell me too much. No, no. How are you? Feels like you've wandered into this place. Like I was trying to find the bathroom dishes. This is. Now you found girl. I love your accent, where you from Australia. Really? Twenty two hours to come to this show. Twelve four gonna point. Colfax Broome county. Thank you wanna see. I'm fine. Are you? Sure, okay. We're like very polite. People in the subway. What's your what's your code of ethics on the subway? I mean, oh, you know what? I'm no I'm not person. You're probably that person to if I see somebody with a kid, I'm like you wanna see, but if someone would like more than two kids on this. You bet. In one side. I'm. I'm terrible. I do that thing where I give up the seat, but I make a big show of it. Do you wanna see do you? Kinda show people told man on. You know, I I don't feel like old men should get a woman shouldn't get up. And what actually I had an old man. A really hot day on the L train. Where's this? Stores. And that's between me and that old. And. No, he was like so. I love that. All right. When he was so tired, and he actually just leaned on me, and then put his arms around me. And then this person was like made a weird face, like what? And so it was just a weird Vulcan days. So I thought I'd out weird that person as like Yay. The person then moved out of New York. I can't do this. Good. Very serious relationship in here. Sure. Or your life fucking around. People are committed, but people are people are people, this is people are open employer like. News sex parts until the parts. You know, people talk. I'm not I was at I was at this gathering of mothers, and this is going to sound weird us gathered mothers, rose. It was like Roseanne, kids and. They were like my dream. And they were they were talking about, like they were talking about like being open, but you know what do you mean? Like open relate swap and talk about fucking talking about. It was funny. I've never met so many people in open relationship since I've been married and I'm just like it's so gross that no one's vita me. I'm. I don't want to go because, you know, very OC. I'm like I have to concentrate on one thing, but I'm also like very jealous. I'm like a five year old like with temperature. I'm like, look at my husband's debt you like that. It'd be me, but I feel like I'm such a good host. It'd be like how you feeling you know what I mean? I would bring children. I cannot stand it. What people show up with a warm bottle of fucking wine. Especially. I'm leaving. Leave. I wanna like go see you sex party 'cause I feel like it'd be like a buffet like really amazing from afar. But just like fruit flies up close. This guy. Make some noise if you've ever been in the three of them. Make some noise if you like one person more than the other three. So. Make some noise if you've been to a sex party. I've loved him to steer the life. I love you. Converse. Thank god. If you could wear a condom around. Have health insurance? Don't go to X party. That's doing party and Canada. So anyway. Very excited to bring her, I guess, to the bucket show. She's looking amazing. She's been on a lot of shit, and, you know, her you, and if you don't know how you will fuck in love or my favorite pair of Brown titties. Please give it up for now. Act. I knew that. Itches cardio. Hey, thank you for coming. Yeah. Thank you for having me. I just learned a loft. Your lifestyle. Yes. Crazy. It's not all Uniqlo fucking khaki pants. Live. We, we live. Okay. That's right. Have you ever been emeritus X party? No. I have not, you know, I'm a germaphobe. I don't I don't even want. I don't want the invite. Yeah. Don't even give me the in but yeah, probably that's why you haven't been invited. It clear. I'm very personal question. How over you when you lost your virginity I was. Nineteen now our years. What happened? Got a hand on the classes, and you like this is a good time of day. So how did it go down thinking about it? Did you plan it? I was thinking about it, and I have been thinking about it. We have been together for like three or four months, and it was like a thought in my head. I was like, well, he's also virgin. This is a good person to lose it to again. Germaphobe. So. Let's both be new together and confused. Awesome. It was very dude. Confused should be your tour. To my biography my way of lots. I'm nude. There is confusion. How did I get here showering saving desired? Question. And so, and then, like one day, but I definitely I'm ready. Let still have. And then it was the most. Painful thing I'd experienced in life up until that point. You know. Did you watch born you're like this is how I do it? No, I had I know where it goes. But I don't know what to do. Once we get in there. I'm not giving you choreography. I don't have a move. I have you talked about. Did you was it important that you sleep together? I remember Stephanie, what do you mean sleep together, me like spend the night and have, like, yeah. Stay out that Ben. Produce day over make me. Need a protest neck epi, just given yourself? I understand. Can we just talk about the daddy, then sure? This make sure none of my any of my relatives here. I it happens. I've been to show where someone. That's just like I'm your cousin. She's like, never met sit down. We'll talk after the show. Can you tell me about your dad, in like ninety seconds or less? Well pretty much because I don't know him. I have a lot of detail. Mineswee-. Talk about. I mean he he's alive. He's not far. He's in Westchester. But oh yeah. I know. Her. You know. Yes. Okay. Do you want to know her? Honestly, I don't know right now the truth. 'cause I really like I'm not someone who who's not petty. I'm petty. Penny. Lavelle. Rose. Is. I have one. Actually, I don't. No, you're petty rather, like I haven't. I think you know, if you're gonna let somebody in say, like clean slate or like this is who we are now you have to let go of the past mistakes, and that is not bad. You should know my things I think he like 'cause we've tried to Email at various times. And there's one point at which actually you and I, we did that essence spread black lady comedian, S Brown teddy. And I was, and I remember like I'll show him this. I think it was a little child, like even like lift what I'm doing. And then he wrote back and he goes, he's like he's like, who it's, it's gonna it's cool to see my name in a magazine. And that was like, how I oh, no no, no no, no. You. Have you ever thought about changing your name if I do ever consummate my betrothal with a wedding? That was complicated. I ever. Ever. Ever get married. If you guess. Yeah. Like, if we I mean, there is someone there, but I'm saying we pull the trigger. You know what I mean? Get that fucking rustic bone. Everybody chicken breasts. Tackled pies played quite candle, white vote, white photo. Dr. That's it. Hydrangea mason. I'm on Anthony. His plan the. Forgot the twinkly lights. I don't have a lot of time with you. How long have you been engaged? Call me say it in front of these people. Six years. This is a real community. Very. Now black church. Real why? I don't think I don't, I think part of I put it off for me. The wedding does not. Make the relationship better. Yeah. But I say a marriage is a lifetime. It's on a magnet. That's all I just, like I know I want to do that thing. So I have, so part of me is like, I don't need to go to city hall just to more like when we have the money when we could do the thing, we'll do the thing you have nice time, and we'll have some pretty pictures. That's great. I I love doing it. You know on your own accord, is that what the kids saying on children? Say. Doing this on a on a corner. Fine. Reading my parents pay for it. And I just really wanted the money, right? And we had no say, we'll see if you pay you get a say, I'm Jesse Jackson. But, like if you say and I don't want, I don't want you don't want you to rein in it. You know, especially 'cause like I feel like you know, jubilees family they went all by the whole temple. It's shit. He's our boop. Do you get it? It's gotta be. And I'm like, I can't do that whole, okay. Being who you are. Right being who you are. Germaphobe than that. The fuck the dad dad is a big part of the winning. And now you've found somebody you love you're on your own, what have you learned like, what is your biggest lesson out of life with all of those things that have happened to you? Oh my God. What? Okay, now as oh in twenty seconds. What I have learned is anybody worth your time will not have to be convinced. James Taylor has written classics like fire and rain and you've got a friend and this week on the New Yorker radio hour, he spills, his songwriting secrets to the new Yorker's Adam gopnik, the idea that song is it was sort of, like one note samba. It's just that Donna. And then it changed harmony underneath it. And that's very Brazilian various beam thing to do James Taylor this week on the New Yorker radio hour from WNYC studios wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to. Question. Instagram short. Okay. Let me digging here. Okay. What's your name? Where are you calling for? How do you maintain a friendship with two of your best friends, when they three cently ended a romantic relationship? You gotta choose one. You lose one. You got to choose. You lose them. Both we confused. Okay. So she was friends or he was friends with two people that were in a relationship. Right. And they broke up. And so who are you going to which side, you're gonna which team are you on now? Allegiances. Are you at night for your Lancaster? Are you at the house in? The house of start what the fuck are you going to pay? You can't ride to forces with what you're saying. Been made a mother fucker and. I don't think you need to make a choice. I you know, it's like divorce kid you have two Christmases, but like. Post all that shit up online for the other person to be like. Next question. I liked this good this one control of one's drugs. Nineteenth century Lewis Carroll fucker impair how one. Through the house of Martin one. Sue. In the boy. Put your hands. I don't know what your hands how. That was amazing. Very excited. Bring our next guest. Oh. Steph do show on HBO. He's been on the daily show Dave show. He's doing a lot of other great beer. Got a great beard grippier used to work with him. Yup. That's right. Man on nitrate back in the day, the all know we're talking about. One. Pain. Why? When was the first time you felt like a real adult? I don't know. Do you ever feel like a real adult? That's what we're trying to find. I definitely think there are moments where I think, like, okay, I remember like the first time I went and bought a car and thought like oh, this feels like very adult thing. And then I remember when I decided to go upside down on that car and traded in while I was still paying it off for another car. And I was like this doesn't feel very. And then I remember when I had to voluntarily turn their car in for repo. Yeah. This really doesn't. Until. Through it. Yeah. Have you ever had a room mate? That was terrible. Not really, because I didn't really have that many roommates like when I got away, I had a roommate, and then I got king of the hill. And so, then I started making money where I was like, oh, I don't have to live with another person like this is a choice. And so, then I moved out and then was like, on my own, and I was probably like twenty five twenty six at that point. And so once I then got, like a taste of that, even after I left king of the hill, I was still like not still figure out how to do this shit on my own, and then which is downsized to smaller and cheaper apartments. So I could keep it going. And then when the car got repos the -partment I also got a victim. So then I got a roommate Brewster. Once left. So I worked at king of the hill for like four and a half five seasons. And then once I left I didn't really like people were like, you'll be fine like you'll they'll be like, people will want to like, hire you for everything, like young black guy in his twenties, who wrote on a FOX animated show, you should be great. And then for like five, six years. It was just like I'm just living off my savings and my credit card. Wow. Yeah. So, yes, so by the time like by the time I got the daily show, my car had been repossessed. I had lost my apartment, I moved in with a friend of mine, who would you wife leave you? This is so crazy to the doctor's like be like gotta go. Oh, the dog is the first year. Mildew dogs and smell of cancer. The dog was like. You don't you don't smell it. Good credit. Were there moments when you just wanted to, like, totally just throw in the towel and fuck. Yeah. Like at that point, it was like, yeah, I'd lost my apartment lost my car. I ain't have anywhere to go. And so, I was just like I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do it wasn't like going home was not an option for me. It was like, okay. I think I swam. Yeah. Thinkers win. So I was so my friend shook man. And I was just, like I don't know what the fuck do. I don't like have a car. I don't have like she was floating me for a little while. And then I think I was living with her for about three months. I got an audition for the daily show, which I'd audition for like five times, like every year, they would have dishes. No, I had a lot of them my knees hurt from all the tap, dancing. Got me with that shit. Here's the thing. The audition. I remember they would have the auditions. And before before the time I got it, the auditions would be these things where it would be at some spot, and every hour would be a different ethnic group that would come in. And then, like the black people will come in, and it was just like all the bunch of black, dudes doing Stephen impressions. And so the year that I got it was the first year that they said, like write your own dish in, and yes. So then mile dishing. It was the first thing I ever did on the show when it was just me, basically being like shit about the democratic primaries, I'd rather bless lost. And but I remember at the bus two mile dish in and I went in, I did it and I had no I, I was like a workout, see what happens when people that you find your own voice into your own thing, and they're not trying to put a circle in a fucking square. That's what happens flourish. We do things we have a voice, we bullshit, we make money. It's like. Cardio like in three weeks. When I have feelings breath. When it comes to dating. What do you think is an adult way to approach a date with a woman? Go on. When I was, like, when I was in high school. It was okay. You're going to go on a date, and then it was almost like a date had to be like this present like she had to be like surprised me. I don't know what fuck we're doing. But it better be good. And it was like all this pressure where it's like I just have to figure out what you're thinking. What clues if you dropped that. I, I got a piece of shit together dealt like that. No. Like to me, if you like it'd be like you can do that within like in a relationship you like that's what surprises for. But like, if you're just trying to get to know each other and it's like just be straight up with one another. They don't feel like don't. Then all of a sudden, find yourself sitting in front of a giant plate of Oni, and you like I don't eat owning. You should have known that about me. 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When you're a little too was kind of a slacker a little easy. I think sort of turn it around when I went to college, and I got to say the class wanna study that I was just like all in. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Was there like a watershed moment? When you're like I got to like, level, four of Ed, when you got to college, that's when you felt the competition, I'm gonna give us just more. Like I wanted to study rioting like that's what I got to do. And I did you write little poems about the ways, I'm like lowers bus wrote like really just really shit. It's like you're like nineteen like you don't really have a life experience. So you write about being like sitting alone in a diner, because you just did that last week here like that. That's not interesting to anyone era just like the coffee in the lug air like I'm out. But like that. Like what? All. We were teenagers and old people diner, your forties, like something's wrong. No. I'm love it. I let the services always. It's fast attitude. They're like, why the fuck are you here and I'm like, don't you need this money like what's happening? They're they're, they're sick of it. They're like we're fucking sick. If you've been here your life, but I'm coming back on my great. So. So abusive, I love any restaurant where they ask you, if you eat in there before, you know, like I, I love that Brooklyn strange like keeping hand before. Have you been to Bush? This my first time when we do things a little different. What's going to happen? You have to pick one protein. One. Right. Together. I love this great. It's. Like I, I don't like a lot of people just kidding. I love everybody you look too many people. Out of here. You're gonna edit a I'm not I'm just like I wanna fix your broken wings. I actually have a lot of questions. Oh, great good. Your mom feels like a very respectable woman. Yeah. Octave is like no joke, she's no. Yeah. Yeah, you're. Your. Tapie of Lena Robinson, Honey. Her name comfort, like shonda, rhimes generator. We agree with it. I take Valois Spencer. We're some of the lessons your mom told you to hold your adulting as a woman in life. Yeah. My mom is like a grinder. You know, she's like nothing ever like easy for her. Let Canada her which I think is like a lot of people. So she's just kind of like, don't be a dick. Be grateful. Be grateful work hard. You know, just sort of like you really have to believe in yourself because like so many people are just going down. You can I ask you a question. Yes. 'cause we were talking about this before, like being in your twenties, sort of play at the idea of being in adult yet. Like I definitely had way too many blazers for twenty three old did not working. Wasn't a Bank teller why they have so many company. Dish plus size fucking way through like any fast team. I was. I thought that was me being an adult league straightening, my hair and putting on the mustard fucking blazer and like what was your idea of dull in your door? I wore wore a lot of us, we're allows like nine west pumps, because what my mom war, and I was like, oh, that's how, you know, you have a day job. Yeah. If you're wearing like nine west shoes. Yeah, yeah. But that was kinda my thing. And then I wish you guys know me. I like I don't go out unless it's like a YouTube concert. I'm gonna see like Anita Baker next week. The first started talking to you, too. Constant. You to ready? I'm just like, you know, like that one friend likes Tweety bird like. No. You wanna go? Sure, she's like is jersey on my book. Us four hours to get there. It took us five hours, where was it? Right. Whatever like, like we'll get. Get one. Future. British bake off. And all was fucking crazy. Because we had to go through the Lincoln tunnel from Brooklyn, and I was, and we were just like in year, ten twelve years, a slave opened the car. The churton. I was like when Brad Pitt county. Aytyan helpful. We go into the Lincoln tunnel, and we to open. And so. They're here to go. They want to go to the high, sir going to look at total, of course, and they joined us, if we all drove the in the car, this is key. And then we were talking about our first concert, and I was like prince and the guy was like Jimmy Buffett. I was like we're not going to die. And then I remember when we saw. But you make already off. I was like. I could tell he liked Phoebe, and she was like, oh, why is this guy? Texting me, like, oh, a guy needs to have his dick this hands for you to be like. I think he likes me. I'm so oblivious. I was like, why is he contacted me? Like we saw the concert like instead three you. Yeah. Okay, give me your water eating answer questions. What is a great question? What's the best etiquette for pooping with your significant other home? Okay. That is amazing question. That's what I do. They coffin I poop all the time. So they're mad Rex regular. I want wanna do you want to set up a candle in the bathroom. Fucking chiefs, should get no. John malone. And the bathroom. What are the what does the teak? Brand or life. It's like you are pretending you have money you get take your life. No, I'm rich but you're not. Yes, you pre lighted to move. And then you just you gotta let them know, like, hey, I am my husband put music on. I don't know what kind of day I guess, I think what another thing that's important is like you wanna be like ham gonna go about them, turn on TV music to terrorize my boyfriend, and I won't turn it on. And I'll be like I heard that I heard like we terrorize each other, it's fast. Yeah. Yeah. We like deal with that fucking trap. No later. Yeah. Livia pope when she was like -ducted, and she didn't like that bathroom. But I also half black people. I feel like you also there's also other things when you like, really. People do a candle. But I just want to say one everybody candles, one thing that a match is very effective because the phosphorus. Actually eats. The smell gets rid of it right away. And that is hashtag adulting. When did she did you re reading already? Oh, no. Okay. Our guest in our house L. I'm such a fucking. When did you reach peak adulting? I had. So I had like a girls night last night with some friends and it was great. But when I knew where I was like, oh, beer adult is like each of us brought like a gas pillock. So embroiled with gas X brought lack Taylor. We eat or draw the materials like you're gonna in half an hour. I've got you like that is why, I know it's not about, like, I know I talk about a negative free to lot, but yeah, that's sort of like they got a survivor in the fucking jungle does, you know, like they bring a machete a fucking pot boil water bring the Gasa. Yes. 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163. Seeing and Being Seen with Sophie Duker and guests Tobi Kyeremateng and Koko Brown

The Guilty Feminist

1:09:25 hr | 1 year ago

163. Seeing and Being Seen with Sophie Duker and guests Tobi Kyeremateng and Koko Brown

"Life can be a bit of a handful. What do you do go for grab on to everything has to offer ask yourself. Do you back down when things get tough. Confront them breasts on. Do you give up or give it hill. Do you ignore amazing boobs of fearlessly. Check them regularly. We thought site this. This is grubbing life by the booms to grab regularly and check out any changes. It could save your life such copper fail grab life. I'm a feminist but sometimes i fantasize about being a stereotypically hot twenty year old screaming in the front row beatles concert and being invited backstage stage by young paul mccartney because he likes the way i look in my nineteen sixties miniskirt infringed waistcoat a knee high white vinyl boots and then i think is the sixties. Why am i not hanging out with my angelou gloria steinem or writing for the british adam's rib feminist magazine what you doing here three being backstage with paul mccartney and a my we stopped making out then i sort of go i'll get round to feminism later in the sixty s. Can i please have sixty four to sixty six for this and then get political around sixty seven in time for the summer of love but i mean really want to be spending the summer love paul mccartney listen. Hey by that time. We'll both be mega politicized. It'll be fine. I've you gotta work it out. We can work it out so much guilt in your fantasies. Fantasies are guilt free place. Ah i mean whatever floats your boat fancies the one place where you can be like goodbye feminist theory. I'm gonna put on this p._v._c. Dress get into the vat of soup to splash around with a bigger. That's what i'm into stock shore. If you set up a youtube channel called splash around the bigger you would get some serious numbers. That sounds like a genuine t._v. Show i'm a feminist ernest but the first time i heard about ariana grande. I misheard her name. Her name was ariola grandba- and so even now when i see her all i can think is big nipple even that she has has big nipples. Just she is a big name. I'm a feminist but i realized after i wrote that last. I'm a feminist but it wasn't adam's rib british british buddhist magazine spare rib and i had to look it up and for years i've been calling it adam's rib which is as it turns out a doris day rom com auto groundbreaking british magazine from the sixties tall. I'm a feminist but of it's the stage where i want to hire studio and lots of props and then just have like a whole photo sheet where i take fo spontaneous nudes just so have them ready if anyone asked me for news so i'll just be like here. I am at home on the farm. Parody needs needs to you mean. If someone asks you dating for news we'll go into a situation where i was like sending my first nudes back and forth with someone that they just had amazing news incredible lighting like i couldn't tastefully array so your going to get some taste for one so you don't have to be there in bed. It going like myself become was really bad. It's like fuzzy. Little static sexy sexy stocks it and are disliked. The lighting's things never riot. I always feel like this is about school. I think this is rather practical but i think you should do some funny. Parody parody was also like the speed that you send them on the cake shop and suddenly it's like you with like a trifle in front of you that the self with trifled hovering my breasts eat below d._j. Right now oh i'm just fixing car like greased reese lightning on the top of like a whole. Take off me for news. It'll be in probably like give me locations and what's this podcast goes out. We're going to be inundated. I'm a feminist bob's. If i could resurrect maya angelou now no matter how much we need her i would not because she died under obama and it gives me great comfort that she didn't live to see trump and it's the main lean reason. I hope there's no after life. I mean the thing is that may be another minor. That's the thing you don't need like is it. You yes is me. I will be the ones that makes us smile. She's the new. She's the second coming. Oh yeah this. One is really going to make me seem like a good person. I'm a feminist but i don't trust women who were still kick who lots i think it makes them look like characters beauty and the beast mid transformation. The top half is beautiful woman with the bottom half is. I don't think we've found my yet. Aw from the leftist bits right very special guests cherry ops hang on cocoa brown about seeing and being this is the guilty feminist put costume which we explore on noble goals twentieth century feminists the hypocrisies insecurities which undermine them. I'm i'm deborah today. I'm joined by sofi juke talking about seeing and big sina so tell me. Have you heard of guilty feminist week. Oh i think i've had a feminist week. We had a furnace week. I'm early rising which i feel you. Gotta wake to catch the patriarchy very feminist betty get day. Eh do i know i know as a feminist is my right to have health care genetics and in mali j. self-care was self indulgence. It's not anymore like it. Don't get me wrong. I'm right in on that one. I'm not sure i can't come to your posse self care but it's quite new concepts of care. I feel now. Almost anything can be self cast saying no. I'm not going to be self care but also just eating what can be self. I don't know i feel like i'm taking care of myself because i'm not lying to myself. I'm not like if all of the chilling adventures sabrina sabrina again is going to be better tomorrow healthcare south cancer yeah. I'm quite confused because i know that you can be self care but yeah but i also know enough. Island can be self care for some people but i think twice about so. I think some things are more self care than others. Some the things that just self-destruction labeled self care. I mean to me watching level and would be self home but i i appreciate is a fun. Show not shot people. The people have it plugged in but i hear from some very intelligent people that there's something. I don't know. Some people say well. It's interesting psychologically and there was some parts that are really feminist novelist already. That's you'll hear more from sofi jacobs evening cutting through the bullshit so oh so fake yes yeah. How do you feel about seeing and being seen. Do you feel as a woman that you feel comfortable. Being seen will utah child to disappear a bit. You always been someone in your performer. Have you always been somebody who's like to be seen. I recently really liked to be seen wearing a very loud color tonight. You can probably hear it on the podcast. I like wearing lau colors like going into places and having people be like she is but that doesn't always happen because i work with a lot of men a lot of the time and they they're not very good at necessarily knowledge in you. When you walk into a room they just sort of like grunt sterile look into this. I'm always very overtly trying to push myself into people's line of vision and be like hey. How was your weekend and they turn away stopping us so i feel like i have to put myself in front of people's eyes. Do you feel that you are better now as you get older and as you get more not old but as you as you develop audio career that you're better at being seeing being getting into the items yeah i think i am also even though i like to make sure people can see me. I don't feel like it's urgent anymore because i was like i exist but now i'm like. I definitely exist. I would like people to see me so that we can acknowledge each other but it's not is like a desperate need to be seen immediately. I think that might be an age thing as well because i definitely felt ours younger. I felt invisible. I think sometimes people look at me now and think oh we you have this podcast. You're up on stage confident but when i first came to this country and i left the jehovah's witnesses have talked about on the podcast many times i will not were you with the details of that but the nature of the high control group nature of that organization meant. It was very very difficult for me to. I decided to leave it. I started going to improv class else. Which is something that dumped secretly when i was witness and then when the elders had found out we weren't allowed to do it anymore because it was fun and this and so i went to improve class when i left and i felt like everyone was ahead of me and i also felt like i didn't quite know how to connect to other human beings without a door frame between us or a coded. It's like if you go to the kingdom hall. Everyone got to interact. That's part of being the jehovah's witness king poll like there's a certain amount of connections required and other people's doors and that's what's how you interact people and when you're working with somebody in a secular way you're meant to keep a distance and not go for a coffee with anyone or anything like that so i found it very difficult to connect and i remember we're going to improv classes in leicester square actually really close to here. There was the theatre we use the tristan bates in common garden the part of the actors center and that's what we used to shows. I remember the interval of improv show that i mean i wasn't invited to do the show. I wasn't that grand. I was just watching what were called the senior players. We were called rookies. If it was a class system i'll be honest and and i used to go and hide in the lou and the interval read a book in the lou. Oh no i it did not your improv classes. When i was little shy at school i used to go and read books and the toilet because the library was to social as i remember that it was because it was before we had smartphones so then we used to have books and sorry that pages it was tickets. The mona plane airplane mode came standard in books and still does you can't crush playing with that but i remember doing that and i remember not having any friends because you want to talk to your old friends and i remember going a whole weekends and speaking when i wasn't working from friday night monday morning speaking to literally nobody and i remember wants organizing a coffee with someone from the improv class and it was a sunday often anything. She was probably hammered for something because she just was like you know how you council someone on sunday. It's fair council on anyone on a sunday there the rules on self care for self care although the in those days it was cancelling and and i remember crying 'cause she was the only person i was going to talk all weekend and so yes so the reason what i'm saying this is not so good for me. I'm saying it because i think sometimes people see me and think would you just born confident and you just born able to kind of throw go energy out to all of these different people but it's not true at all and i think i say it because i'll be listening a lot to elizabeth days podcast fail you know there's all these inaccessible glamorous the people on the show and you realize a lot of them did not know how to see and be seen and then they wanna man booker prize or they've run a small country country or a large company or something and you think to not me by this. I wanted to be encouraging and fill up just being depressing. I think i think the thing that's interesting about that. Is that people probably want seeing. You needed friends. You need people to not like you need to learn how to like manifest like i need you to meet me. I don't candidates candidates a sunday. I need you to meet me today because we're going to be friends and have coffee and yeah i think i just didn't know how to do normal things and it turns out years later later that friend i told her i was telling anyone at the time. We didn't want to be identified that way. I felt like a being in that people would see me that for so long and i just desperately needed people not to see me that way because it's very very patriarchal colton it's run by men so the reason i say it is because i've sort of really pushed past that now and i don't have any problem seeing and being seen i mean i don't get nervous backstage. I'm really looking forward to coming out onto the stage and so the reason i say it is if you're somebody who feels nervous or feels like i can't really do feminism very well because i know i need to speak up and i need to be like visible for feminism and how will i ever get their the answers. Keep turning up thing. I'm very inspired by you because you're very young and i've made i mean everyone is at some point it spot by the amount of time you've been the earth you know but feel like your confidence radiates out and you're very young. I don't know how old you are. I don't want to force you to say it on stage. Okay but i feel like you're in your twenties. Yes yes okay good and twenties but you already have that. I saw you perform in dislike completely owning the stage age of a way crushing the audience but in a really gentle gentle crash agenda crush. I felt almost just like a kitten being picked up by the screening like when the mother of the kidnap. That's how i felt you were with the audience felt like this is the best comedy review of had you'll. I feel like a kitten. I actually think i ought people say that. I seem very confident on stage but sometimes it's been used a diss this. Let me like oh. You seem very confident for someone so young. You see my very confident. How long have you been doing stand up and i'm just like i'm pretending to be confident. That's what everyone everyone gets on. Say pretend to criticize me for doing something. Well what i don't know say that people have said well. They seem seemed very really yourself and i'm like oh yes. That is such a thing. You would never say that to a man. You wouldn't gotta really believe in yourself don't you why because i can't see any reason for it but it's good that you do because no one else does. It's like well. Why would you say that to somebody. I think like feeling the confidence like feeling like comfortable on stage and comfortable with people is something that's been really really nice because at home i see people people in the audience. I'm like yes let i would want to come and see show like this. I want to do for someone like me so the blood that you've been looking kitchen. I i just feel sign much more of an obligation c._n._b._c. now to sort of see women to sit of specially see women and who have their identities intersect in ways that more marginalized than mine. I feel i have this gatien now to look hard things i i suppose i didn't five years ago no due to like look at things you know what you see things. Come on facebook and you go. I know i have to look at yemen for example. I'm finding it hard. I'm going to put it out that i'm finding it hard look at yemen. I'm looking at so many other things. I'm looking at refugees loads. I've started looking at homelessness. I'm looking at those things. The hard hearted okay and i. I can't engage with them unless i look at them. Find it really hard to yemen finding it really hard to look at animal rights. It's okay to find it harder thing. It's okay to say you find it hard and and i'm also wearing like i can only take so much like the human brain. I don't think it's meant to take as many images positive and negative as we take in a single minutes now so so i don't blame myself for it but i have to get around to really engaging with yemen because i think you'll brain tries to protect you so you don't actually see terrible. I was walking my friend once and she was he's like oh look at such a cute little terrible and i was like with the homeless person who've completely seen and i think you just get so used to seeing like pain. Hey or terrible things that you stop sometimes just engaging with he stopped seeing it becomes invisible to you and you have to train yourself and be like no of got to look for these things because if i'm gonna place work in help then should it is acute dope but come on yeah yeah absolutely and we just don't we. It's like selective. Kass writes almost i. It's like we go look at the dog. I don't really want to deal with the fact that time listen. I've got someone today. I feel i need to see in a way because i am someone who has seen and so i can talk about things that i see because people will look at me sometimes when they won't look at yemen i mean yes and i think everyone here in this room in a way as a person of influence. I truly believe that because people come to podcast recordings unless there people have influence because because you don't even have to find a pause. Do you know what i mean like you. Don't you know in that world so we're all people who are seen by virtue of the fact that we've made today. We're sitting in a nice red velvet. See in a lovely theatre in the west end so therefore we have a platform. I guess what this episode might be about coming to at is if we are prepared to see the difficult things and the wonderful things and then like a screen on which those things can be projected it and the people that will look we can tell them about this. We can shine a light on that then. It's worth us being seen. It's not really worth us being seen if we're ever going to talk about his contouring orange cats both valid things nothing wrong with contouring raleigh cats but if that's the only thing that we're projecting count the world. I mike question not when we are yeah. I think that's where enough but i think you were. Contouring on. Cats can be a whole platform this is what are you writing on this secret message about yemen. That's what i'm saying. You're prepared. They said if you're prepared to kantara political message onto a cat. I am with you <music>. Ah ah can everybody feel me okay. The that works press consent very excited to be hit do some chatting on the theme of a c._n._b._c. I just want to say very quickly quickly. Last time i was on the guilty feminist not our i mean i was. I was out to my mom so i'm very excited to be on the guilty feminists and said that i am queer woman. Thank you my pronouns are she. Her and that bitch very exciting to be. I'm i wanted to c._n._b._c. and being reflected is very exciting for me as an entertainer. I want to tell you some facts about myself so you get a little bit of a sense of my character so the first fat that i want to tell you lovely people today. I am an eldest child. Who do we have any alice eldest children in the audience okay. I love eldest children because you guys are leaders but you'll reluctantly lead us thrust upon you any any youngest children in the audience audi smoke breaks middle children would ask you to cheer but as we all know importer oughta second that i want to tell you about myself. Some of the most spiritual view will already have picked up on. I am an aquarius warious born in the year of the horse an aquarius boone in the year of the horse. What could that mean nothing nothing. It's bullshit lost about what would be. The most exciting fat is that i am very notable. Not a white guy white guys in congress to loud. We know how much you get paid by. What do you intend to fly as a white guy. Yes wonderful. I don't mean to pick on the white going. Be audience because i like anything. You genuinely love white. Men love your work bob dylan. You're woah very don't have anything against white. Men apart from obviously everything is that they've done in some of my best friends some of my best friends away my mother. Martha is a white man the reason the reason i speak to you. I promise because we mean to you the reason i speak to want to know what is it like being a white man at the moment for years you difficult i would say so. It's it's a weird time white men because they were always the ones that got to see and and be seen but now what they're feeling increasingly under threat the rhino shot great white men going extinct go to deal with the world is changing and as like a queer woman of color like white menacingly all sophie we wanna be wanna be like you which i find strange because i am very short short and i think it's amazing the way the world is different people being seen and i think this is someone at the bbc said if you're going to put together a team deep like now in two thousand eighteen if you're gonna put together a team. It's not going to be six oxbridge. White blacks saw six ultimate wyplosz. It's going to be a diverse range range of people that represent the modern world isn't that amazing a diverse range of people that represent the modern auden world and quite right too because in the past that would be. I don't now why people still think like morton thing this guy that black people were being but literally just happened like fidget spinners how people are thinking that keep coming in and out like flows. I think that he thinks that flat people were thing that happened like ages ago but then they went away for a long time and they've only just come back so like tens of dozens of hundreds of thousands of years ago the last black man strolled across the prehistoric a plane and then slipped and fell in a hole and got frozen and is move defrosted on the first of august nine hundred thirty seven and his name was morgan freeman n._b._c. but this one i was little i was so jealous of all the amazing role models does that little white girls have so many raising raising the shave often was amazing all models like hillary clinton and emma watson pepper pig but i didn't have that because i ended up over identify with any was brown who wasn't on crime watch like an even even now and over identify with people because of the color of their skin so i see people like the olympia bittel adams and i see her and i think oh aw great i too can be a box. The comedian lenny henry and i think haka rate ought to be ainsley harriet. Thank you so much is unsafe the hallard guilty feminist deborah frances white hair just letting you know that this wednesday the fourteenth of august. I'm going to be in conversation with may martin at the national theatre theater at seven thirty pm. We are going to be talking about sexuality. We're going to be talking about identity going to be talking about mountains new book and we're gonna we'll be talking about her new netflix show and all of the great juicy crunchy themes therein may and i both could it be signing copies of our books said common long say hi hi get your book signed. Get a selfie will be loads of fun. Go to national theatre dot org dot u._k. Tickets sunday twenty four th of august. It's the secret secret policeman's tour at the playhouse. That's right the guilty. Feminist and amnesty international have come together to resurrect these incredibly legendary comedy brand our show on the twenty fourth of august will feature may hosting rachel paris niche kamal phoebe robinson from to dub queens what sindhu v. desharnais birch hollie mcnish rosie jones steve allee jessica foschi sophie juca with music from jess robinson and grace patriots tree and what's more if you like dairy goals will cheval mcsweeney social wanaka jackson louisa han. We'll be there doing a sketch. Oh my god. It's much go to two eighty two tickets dot com. It's worth coming up to edinburgh just for that show i reckon but while you're up there why not catch the solo hours of so many wonderful guilty he feminist alumni so many brilliant women are upset doing their shows this year go to guilty feminist dot com and check out where they all are now. We've got a very very exciting announcement. We're doing across overseas and that's right. We're mashing up the guilty feminists with some other podcasts. We're doing on august thirtieth no such thing as a guilty feminist. That's no such thing as a fish rush and ask mashed up mashing with hoovering in the hungry feminist on august thirty first. We're doing all killer. No feminism and richard herrings list of square take podcast known as real history ghafur on the first of september. We're doing the feminist bugle and drum guilty feminists solving crime all of these either at kings place in london and you can go to king's place dot co dot u._k. For tickets i'm sorry to say some shows of already sold out but there is still tickets for others but get in now before they all go global pillages back. That's right. It's at the london podcast festival at kings place on sunday. The eighth of september at four thirty pm go kings place dot co dot u. K. for tickets forever and diversity based comedy panel show also my book has got a brand new cover and two new interviews with hannah gadsby feeble abridge gets it's now you can have it in paperback or audio. Let me read it to you like i'm. I'm just doing a podcast except there's nine hours of content extra for your commute and now remember we did that. Episode ashley talked about her show this way up and the themes of of loneliness well. It's out of the u._k. And channel four weekly or you can go to all four and binge it all i just did that. I have to say it was was like a masterclass of nuanced devastating hilarity. One of the best shows overseen episode four is genuinely one of the best i've ever seen on television. Go and and watch it right now. He's a sneaky peek to what your appetite you never told me. There was a man on the go well. Amami richard is on his elderly lover. Ages owner wanted to go on the mother to don't miss ashley bees brand new comedy. Hey this way up on channel four stream the full series now on awful wonderful deborah project so the seeing and being seen. I'm going to read you a little bit of my book from trump to call the power of yes. I'm a feminist but sometimes if i'm talking to another feminist i agree with her even if i don't think she's right because i want her to like me. Call me lula darling in nine hundred sixty to the actress and wit to lula bankhead with sixty years old. She felt like singing bye bye bye blackbird to an audience so she threw a spontaneous party to make that happen she was of course very wealthy by then but she he had always behave this way in nineteen twenty three at the age of twenty one. She was an aspiring actress who had no particular success in new york. She was cast in a london play called the dancers based solely on her photograph and a recommendation. The producer got cold feet and sent her a telegram telling her not to come she ignored it borrowed money for the fare got on the boat and taught her way past customs who told to she had to report to the police station in the morning. She had no visa money or evidence of an employer in britain. She arrived in the west end ready for work. Didn't you get my cable telling you not to come said the producer. What cable said to luna since she'd come all that way he gave her the job job to lula's father was a respectable american senator who had warned her of the dangers of men and alcohol but as to lula often observed never said a word about women and cocaine to luna was a proud adventurous queer woman and identified as ambi sex strice she she often opened. The door dressed only in polls and set at parties. What's the matter darling. Don't you recognize me with my clothes arm. She'd often say that to our socratic men with their wives. Were standing next to them. She was the orgasmic embodiment of sex positively she was a big hit in the dancers and soon became a west end star with a huge following of young working class queer women who often q. overnight to get penny any tickets her fans were called the gallery girls. Some of them were her personal assistance and became close friends. She was a forerunner to lady. Gaga aw to luna bankhead is my favorite guilty feminist from history. She was fierce independence and ran every room she was in. She was also superficial bane and hedonistic. She often remarked that she had no idea what her next magnum of champagne was coming from. She loved to drive which was the exciting new technology but she was very bad directions so she would hail a taxi and ask the driver if she could follow behind her. Legendary legendary parties were attended by people of different races classes gender expressions and sexual orientations. She once said if i had to live my life again i'd make all the same mistakes only sooner to lulu live her. Life is one big yes not. Everyone has the freedom responsibility or access access to cash that allows them to lula's lifestyle. No one can talk their way past border control anymore but the spirit with which she lived the desire to see and be seen without l. Topology or embarrassment is something we could all borough. She had no shame about her sexuality which was extraordinary for a woman in the nineteen twenties and is fairly rare now now think about how many things you'd like to say and do how much self expression you're hiding because of what other people might think think about the boldness with which you you could leave if you talked walked danced dressed like the bravest part of you sometimes when we stopped caring what other people think other people think we're wonderful wonderful. Sometimes we have plenty of confidence to do the things society approves of competently and be happy to be into stage as long as we are conforming forming. I am talking about having the freedom to live large without validation to try new things that seem dangerous in some way and to swim against the stream just because it makes accessible whole most of scared of ourselves. That's the biggest win. The patriarchy has made through undermining generations of women keeping their top caused clause brains away from books there wit under house arrest and their intentions in the dark consequently we the great granddaughters of anxious women can be fearful of the the voice inside of us that does not wish to conform and play nice and so we mostly keep it in check. Many of us are living at half mast. We are quieter then we want to be. We carry tension our body because we swallow our opinions. We hunched to make ourselves smaller. We laugh less than we could. We make funny faces in photos to haida true selves. We pretend we are happy when we are not. We have inadequate six. We lie about who we are and what we want. British british author journalist and wordsmith rebecca west once said people call me a feminist whenever i express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat she he also wrote only part of his sane only part of his love pleasure and the longer day of happiness wants to live to our nine thousand nine hundred and die in peace in a house that we built built that she'll shelter those who come after the other half of us is nearly mad it prefers the disagreeable to the agreeable loves pain and it's darker nights despair spare and wants to die in a catastrophe that will set life back to its beginnings and leave nothing of our house save. It's blackened foundations. We pretend all the time that we are content with longer day of happiness and deny that sometimes love pain and to scream at the sky and take cup space and demand attention and request affection to lula bankhead only left her most beautiful dress in the wardrobe when she came came to the party naked one day. I hope to be brave enough to throw a spontaneous celebration because i feel like singing bye bye blackbird. We need to practice leaving the house else in the piece of perhaps metaphorical clothing that is most us until it's all we know how to wear or at least until we know how to shake it when we want to. We need to say yes to being on panels and speaking on topics which we are not experts but about which we can make educated guesses until it becomes fun for us. We need to be an invent the change we wished to see in the world because we are sure we are the best woman to do that. Ask people out and get used to them saying no and even more scarily yes we need to invite people round for feminist us choir practice and do a spontaneous photo shoot with addressing box when there may be a naked one. We need to learn from the queer community. We are not already in it to get glycerin and turn the tunes up. Let's tell the world we never received the cable that said don't come and turn up anyway shameless aimless and ready for work what cable thank you very much. The honda guilty feminists debra just wanting you to know that to some very exciting things coming coming up on august the twenty fourth where the edinburgh playhouse that's next saturday night <hes> for the secret policeman's tore which is a guilty effeminate and amnesty international show. It is going to be a riotous night for human rights really don't miss it. I know i'm biased but i really do think it's going to be the show of the fringe orange no exaggeration. I'm hosting and we have some very special guests. Including rachel paris niche kumar phoebe robinson from dope queens sindhu v. desert birch holy mcnish rosie jones jessica foschi accuse sophie juca grace petri steve allee jess robinson in addition chevron mcsweeney social monica jackson jamie lee o'donnell and louisa holland who ask system michael and aaron michelle all of from dairy girls are going to do a very it is exciting performance niche kamar rachel powers are going to do an exciting performance rachel partisan grace petri exciting performance. We've really really got some treats in store for you. Including the for yorkshire women really really don't miss this show go to edinburgh specially. If you have to ford it's going to be a true wonder get tickets set eighty tickets dot com get them now this selling fast. We have a guilty feminist crossover podcast season. That's right. We're mashing up the guilty from us with some of of your favorite podcast and we're performing them live at kings place in london from friday the thirtieth of august two sunday the first of september. It's a long long weekend of podcast mashups friday. We have no such thing as guilty feminist. That's us unless such thing as a fish also friday we have the hungry feminist which is and jessica foschi the toast of it and professional this year doing a mash up of us and hoovering on saturday. We've got all killer no feminism that's an okay no filler plus rela history ghafur for which is as plus herrings leicester square theatre podcast an unlikely pairing and one. That's going to be riotous on sunday. We have the feminist bugle that's awesome awesome the bugle if you're terrified of the news and you love feminism not once for you and finally on sunday drunk guilty feminists solving crime you can get tickets for all of those at kings place place dot co dot u._k. And on the eighth of september i will be in the conversation with sara pascoe for her new book at seven seven thirty pm at queen elizabeth hall. It's going to be very exciting. We'll both be signing books afterwards you can come up and me to say hi. A new book is truly truly fascinating. It's called sex power money. If you came out onto the may martin one of the national you know it's a really great night. You can get tickets south banks into dot co dot u._k. And finally my book doc is out in paperback with a sexy new cover and brand new interviews from hannah gadsby and phoebe waller bridge. Get in there and get yourself a copy if you'd prefer there's an e book or if you'd like me to read it to you while you lie in a hammock and eat grapes. There's an audio book. You can find links to the book and everything i've just told told you about a guilty feminist dot com. Don't forget to follow me on instagram at d._f._w. D._f._w. and on twitter at deborah labral f w and on instagram the guilty feminist and on twitter at guilt fem part to make sure you're up to date with everything that's happening happening with very busy at the moment. We're doing lots of exciting things. Don't miss anything get involved and follow us on social media and also don't forget to rate review and subscribe to the podcast. It really helps other people find it and give it five stars back to the podcast. Our first guest today is the founder of the black ticket project an initiative offering when young black people free tickets to shows in london as well as being an extraordinary theater director producer. Please welcome toby cherry mountain. We want to talk to you in a little bit but first we have to bring to the stage our second wonderful guest. She is a theater mak- uh-huh. She's a vocal artist. She's a spoken word performer. Put your hands together and welcome to the mic to perform the wonderful. Hi my name's coco. I'm not funny like these guys so. I'm just gonna say some poetry stuff is that okay have been say awkward if everyone was like give it a miss hard pass actually <hes> okay i'm going to do to be the first one i'm going to do is from a show that i'm making could gray which is about depression and black women's mental health and it's really be a cell which is british sign language integrated. I don't have my other performer with me. Who does so. I'm really lonely but his okay. She said it was okay for me to do this. They thank goodness so i'm going to do that and do a second one because that's usually how doing two poems works. This is called strong independent document document. So what have you got to be sad about. When you are a strong adjective definition able to withstand force pressure or where having the power to move heavy objects or perform physically demanding tasks true is tasking to be a woman little more to be a black woman to always be that women the strong women do no wrong. Women always being wrong woman and what have you got to be mad about going to be mad about salons told you so though i'll get over it again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and against all odds are put through probably just just no there'll be more women being strong for you strong with you strong black women without you who the world shit on so what what have you got to be sad about when you are strong independent adjective definition separate not depending on another for livelihood or sustenance and starving to see yourself in tv in magazines on the big screen what you mean you can't be seen no beyond say doesn't count no new routes doesn't count no twelve years. A slave doesn't counts no the made in that historical series doesn't count because when you only seen as a slave leave or the sassy sister with an a or the girl who's one line is hey. You get less than a line. You get the ever glorious laureus <hes> so. What have you got to be said about. When you are a strong independent black zac adjective definition of the very darkest color owing to the absence of light always ways aggressive in the absence of light perpetually tough in the absence of light sharp-tongued in the absence points of light gifts of wagging fingers in the absence of light missing for six weeks in the absence of light missing for six months in the absence of light lights missing for six years in the absence of light your sassy beasley angry on human on feminine uniquely indestructible unprotected in the absence of light. You are only ever seen in the absence of light. So what have you got to be sad about. When you're a strong independent black adjective definition of veep very darkest color owing to the absence of light or the complete absorption of it and so you you remind myself. I am light. I i love that. I am hold the i am enough that i am weakness and strength that i have a weight on my back by have balloons tied to my mind to remind myself to keep my head high. I may not always be strong but i have strength with. Oh my fragilities things hi see in the ears of anyone that will listen and so i will remind you strong independent black women that you are liked that. You are love that you that you are enough. Thank thank you thank you the so i do. Debra introduce me as a vocal artist. That was like how you describe. I've never describe yeah. I love it because it's like a singer. I just kind of make sounds of my mouth and that's like that's what i do so because it's nice i'm going to put that down so usually when i d- poetry autry i do my loop station. Station is like an additional limb. I love her. She's could have to but i love one more than the other but because i paid for my kids i usually do stations do music and backing and this habit i go for the people who can't see no light so this i'm gonna do is cool. I was a tree. I do it just because i like it and you. She has a lot of like music stuff with it but i ain't got loops oakland. Do the music stuff today. If you wanna see it with music stuff you can find somewhere online if you search my name or something like people find people on the internet but we search my name. We have to find it in the music but i'm going to do it without this food. I was a tree. I was a tree tool and proud. I was rooted in my ground. We fell in love in the summer. You fell in love with my leaves and flowers. You fell in love with how i caught the son how i held it in my arms he fell in love with how i called the breeze how i gave you oxygen how i provide you with space to breathe in the summer. He fell in love with me and then autumn came and my leaves fell and my flowers disappeared and i realized that you couldn't see my roots u._n._c. my branches in the summer you did it know that i was hard dan tough but breakable. You didn't know that i could be so exposed so barren so bad and you realize there than that. You didn't know my i was a tree and i let the harsh winter demolish me. I thought it was a tree. I was surprised when i realized i wasn't just a tree. No oh i was the entire fucking garden. I was feeding you not wishing the weeds letting them flourish distracted by the flowers that grew cropping up in corners. I let you infest me. Somehow you take over until spring arrived and i started fighting. I pushed you are forced you. I will not let you kill the roses or society lions or the chew lips. I would not destroy the flower beds would not let you destroy where my sanity recipe. I thought it was a tree but i was the entire <music> tire biking garden. Thank he the cocoa. That was just wonderful absolutely absolutely fabulous so the reason involved both of you today is because i feel like your both people who are playing in spaces spaces and roaring people into spaces who wouldn't otherwise be there so it's not just some kind of bubble of posh people entertaining each other so could you tell us something about your work toby and also had like ticket project which i think is so phenomenal. Thank you in a nutshell. I been working in there. Since i was sixteen stain. I started out over housepainter big up own house <hes> <hes> as a young associate and then after college i went ended an apprenticeship bazzi art center and then became senior producer at center sos there about three and a half years then left for organization called apple snakes. I worked with poets both so in that time worked with the advocate freer at the moment. I'm at the bush just hopped around and lots of different places in an unconventional way. I think think producing as well as quiet and unconventional knowing really knows what producing is what is it. I don't know why i can't really nobody. We know you just do stuff. Put it together and then it happened and being produces. Let being a scammer. Yes you do spend other. People's was money. Come into it so you find other people's money and put on. I try believe believe what's bacteria project so in twenty seventeen a really great play cooled bob chronicles was at the national theatre wouldn't shout to anywhere so i love that play and i went to see the first time it was at the national and it was still a very kind of white national theatre audience who trust the white say we'll buy tickets for anything and whatnot show also like you know. My dad and my brothers would love to see this. I i went to the show with them a lot. When i was younger and so yeah i bought a bunch of tickets and kind of gave them out to young black men to see the play. I think only like tickets and then night was on the national theatre after that attaches gouden and so i went back to the national and was like this is. What a different kind of course i did. They didn't know i didn't tell them if night i was like i want to do something proper bigger and better and so we were aiming to get about fifty young black people to see that show i am a crowd from my friends. Were like stop spending money. You don't have on things which is to break funder and ended up crowdfunding enough to take two hundred and fifty black people to see nine nine which was amazing and then it kind of just this go from there. Really why do you think is the black people. Don't buy tickets for things like i mean i think ah it's different too late to do the spaces but every time i take my family like my aunt used to someone sees either like this is amazing. We did not know this was here but they just don't motivate. They see like ads and they don't think it's for them yeah. Why do you think that people aren't like purchasing aren't seeking it out. I think fit has always been quite an exclusive spaces. It's like going to the theater cultured. It's always been like that kind of space and i feel like so historically the kind of audiences that go there just aren't those kind the people and so even though now such a breadth of work that speaks to so many different audiences but if historically been excluded from space. You're not just going to start going there because even though tickets might be like ten pounds a sore back well. I could go to this ten pounds and i trust that thing and i know i'm going to enjoy it or i could go to this huge building reading in the middle of nowhere to see something that i've never seen before and that feels like a risk. I think it can feel dangerous going into a space where you think nobody else is going to be like me yeah. I've got friends who are black actors who say edinburgh challenge susan. We'll talk about it and she said i steal myself at number cappuccino think no. I'm allowed to be here. I went to rhonda. She's about she's saying the q. She talks come back. She's the only black person there and she said she is intimidating. Sometimes and i absolutely get ah friends of mine who went to a play and they said they were the people there because there's a black play and i had reached on friday big recording it states that we've been the only white people really the touching and i said it's not good though because you know what it's like for black people to talk to the national and even when it's a black play at the national ashore everyone on stage is black. Nearly all audiences wind yeah. So what you're doing is genius because you're going. You are allowed to come this. Here's a free ticket. We're going to yeah well. You have crops aids. You're going to have a good seat in the stores. We're all gonna be together. You safe. You can walk into this building here. It is this is we find. It's going to be fine and then once so you've been a couple of times then you go. I want to see that oh. I'm interested land or i might wanna participate and cocoa. I wanna throw to you now because i think what you did was remarkable because i think what sophie and i do. There is somewhat of a barrier in people's minds with sign up comedy of like what is in funny and the more people don't often it's terrifying and the thing is not a isn't terrifying but i understand why the barriers there and i think what you're doing is saying as long as you've got something to say. Here is an art form. You don't have to have a huge cast. You don't to hire a special fancy theater even if you were bedridden even if you were home with five kids in no way out of the house you could make a youtube video you expressing your thoughts in unspoken word until i that's why i think it's very very powerful medium. Could you tell us more about how you got into an how we could get into it. Yeah i mean i kind of just fell into it. I i grew up doing theater specifically musical theater and then lost love of that because the industry is very and so i stopped doing musical theater and like i don't wanna perform anymore but there was always been swing creativity main. I was like what is it. What are we going to do to try. That was not very good. Don't do that and then i was like what about this that and the other kind of just fell into spoken why because i like what it's like i'm not an amazing linguist and there are lots of people who are so much better than i am but i just that's the way i found to express it so i kinda just fell into your ridable wordsmith. What are you talking about yeah. It's imposter. Oh syndrome anyone else got that. I've been faking so. I'm going to throw in here as far as to say that i have it. It's not that bad. I think you were real woods with but also i think you'll really getting to the heart of something and you really cut when i your show white which was about being mixed race and feeling is why is you wear black and then having the world project. You're not white. It's a such a moving show. It really made me understand more about the mixed race. Experience lot hadn't understood before but how do you take that first plunge. What skills do you to writing thing yeah. Get them saying out. Loud like i would say to anyone who has any the form of creativity which i believe is every human being in the world. If you've got some creativity in you and you can put it down in words or something just do it because you have something to say like my thing was was i wanna say something about being mixed raced because i didn't feel like there was enough stories about bad time and so i just wrote things about being mason they kind of ended up being a show and it doesn't have to turn into a show like you can write things down and just share it with your partner or your friends or your kids as bedtime stories or whatever especially with protein spoken word. It's something that if you never wanna share it you don't have to but it's such a great thing to do you into out there and if you want to share it like you said you know you can share it on youtube. You can have soundcloud where you just posted it all iphone or samsung or any other. We don't have a voice note recordings or whatever of a you just have to think about what you want to say and everyone inside of them has a story or they want to say that really pisses them off so just write that down and then then just make it rhyme a little bear or thanks for it and then you can add more things regan has been doing big speeches teaches workshops for us which is meant to be sort of about how to deliver like henry the fifth speech because it's you can't be apologetic with your body when you're saying what sport to the breach. It's just impossible possible to come out and go oh. I just had a thought about going into the breach but we did. It voted no reason we can do it again but that's what i thought but just pop it on the table in case anyone's interested. You told me you have to say what's the rich but what i found interesting is i went to some of the first workshop and she was getting the women who were on it to mash up stuff of their own with some of these powerful speeches and it was remarkable and she said you can just do one of the formal ones that you can do that. You've written inspired by this every he wanted their own and i thought that was so interesting that it became more of a self expression sean you when you start before me and i don't know if you found this with spoken word like you kind of like you work for yourself but then you're like. I'm going to show it to people and then you're like but how do i do that and you're like. I'm gonna pretend to be someone so. I'm gonna pretend to me giving this big speech and i wanted to ask you about how oh you found you of waste because like when i when i was younger decided that i wanted to poetry but it was like okay anita berry neuter i need reducing syncopation rhythm. Anita make things rhyme a little bit and i was like snap. Apparently that is but yeah like how do you get out of copying other people. How do you find what you wanna say the way you want to say it. I think for me it was fooling out of love with something that i brady loved which was performing and then finding my way back into another way and i'm not saying like full of love with things that you love to hopefully love it more but it was fooling of love with it and then kind kinda going. Hey i have to kind of unlearn things which is just something that you need to do as humans. I guess as well as you know you have to learn a lot of things and i had to unlearn all poetry retrea rhymes and stuff like that. I kind of found my voice just by doing just by writing a lot and kind of going. I did start off when i first performed could not woman which is about the hashtag. Norman always gets reaction. I would have done it here by goud poem when i first started. Doing i was doing spoken word. You know who men like the tumbler that spoken word because i was like that's how you do it. You know there's a rhythm and it's like this when you you emphasize things like oh this feel so dumb. This feels like i'm acting and it's not fair and it's not fun and so i just kept saying things allowed. How and i'd find my own rhythm and i when i was writing. I'd find my own things i like. I really enjoy repetition like i look back on like. Do i have no original thoughts. They just keep gay okay and so. I just kept doing the things until i found what i wanted to say in how i wanted to say it would definitely succeeding and i'd love you to come and teach your workshop for the feminist actually if you'd be interested you mean taibbi you are producing the bush right now. Yeah kind of work are you platforming and how can people get involved in if they wanted to write longer plays pieces for more than one character if they wanted to present a piece of work. Where's where's the gulf between. I've never done anything like that and this is going to appear on the stage like what are you looking for the bushes new in theaters. We get a lot of plays and we go read a law. Your place and i think when i'm reading play i really look for relationships. I think the dialog can come from that and i think sometimes there are unnecessary very characters or necessary voices in a piece that could be interpreted in different ways and i think i like that's really experimental. I like that is multi. Oh tian form. I think fear is a place now where you can do that stuff and it's like oh yeah. This is still theater as opposed to it. Being very naturalistic type play. I think there are lots of people doing kind of like one person shows and their pay multiple people using music and sound and lighting and technology differently and i think when i read what i'd like to see elements of that kind of experimenting of work and having different ways to tell a story that isn't kind of just narration based all there's a lot of plays that the dialogue is really similar which is really like short cuttings might be like between people and it'd be like hi. Hey hey thought you are yeah but why don't yeah and i guess i would never say this thing. They go on my saves. You just just like stay the thing so i like that kind of say the thing but say an interesting way it doesn't need to drag out for the whole play and in the end is something that's really uninteresting and uninspired so don't send a pilot plays. Could people read that you think would inspire them as feminist black women as quickly. Do you have any place that you would recommend women read. Oh my gosh if say misty. I'm gonna really chris. She's not on anymore best play. Oh yeah read misty rain misty say kenny that's. It's an amazing thing. I feel like you miss a lot of it being on stage they 'cause i live on with it and it's amazing. I loved degree and she's my favorite playwright. I think she's phenomenal. Nominal she had a show on called variety but all hoa is like very poetic. Sea knight nine nine is not in the moment as well at chicago the stadium and that's about the nine nights in jamaican families wake. Is that right yes. The matriarch of the family passes away and they've got audition where they do you kinda yeah. That's the spa and say there's mice of mourning the happens but there are so many other things apart not sharing this and really beautifully and if we follow your twitter on you will recommend the things that we should go and see and there's also performances where you will feel welcome. You'll feel welcome. You are a black woman or an asian woman. You'll feel welcome. If you are a queer woman. There are spaces where you will feel welcome if you're disabled. Don't look at the ziadeh go for me. There's lots of ten pound tickets. If you are a young person you can get involved with the black ticket project and could you please tell us what what you need from us as makers as people who just perhaps have some disposable income. They'd be happy to contribute. How do we get involved with ticket project. If we want to help if you have show that you think people should come and see last night on twitter is and we can contribute some tickets so we can say ten to twenty tickets hundred tickets. Whatever we are you and then you'll distribute them yet. The doesn't have to be like two hundred and fifty like it was with my night but like animal tickets so we can give because people really eager to see stuff like anytime we post tickets. They get snapped up so quickly and people can contribute to a crowd funders well yeah. You've got a patriot and a paper so so we've got patient. If people want to donate monthly any kind of amount and then we've got a paper for like one off donations show you can invite people to but you think yeah tennis vow donald twenty credit out and that will pay for young person to go to theater you can give it to the proud sponsor and where can we find out what's got a patron dot com slash ashby ticket product great. We can follow you out b. T. project underscore and there are other up ticket projects. I'm sure the young asian people about why disenfranchise people sometimes toby gets people going but what about toby saying all those things about an important but what i'm doing is young black people and that specific but please find other ones start your own eight two as well. I've told people that and then they don't start one. I'm just like well great but not enough to do the work but enough to say you're doing doing it wrongly coke seriously jesus. I really would like let's say that if anybody does want to get into the or if they want to watch the tibet they feel like the big ones are really scary. Goto fringe many's small fringe venues like over house like bush by the yard like was five three the gate go to small fringe ones and you won't feel so like about it. I think i stopped smoking. Try free also sat fringe vague. Let's go and do not the national issues national interest. It's not the national white theater. It's not the national posh people's theatre. It's not national theater for people who were raised at the theater is the national fucking theater and the travelex tickets of ten pounds so you can get on that website. You got out in this building. Guess some bates go together. It's actually scary serena's building. There's little theaters big theaters and you're allowed to go. Take permission see and be seen so feed you can't. Where can we see more of you well. My handle is app sophie duke box yeah yeah i was like i didn't say hey if you if you may i will happily send nudes uh-huh. Where can we see more of you so sorry chasseur. I have a regular live show. It's called wacky racists. It's every second sunday of the month disclaimer. It's not an actual show for actually quirky racist speak there. It's a very fun comedy. Buddy show tunes cross every second of the month. You can come by face because our wacky comedy clubs great so find all of these amazing women online follow they work. Check out what toby's doing bush go and check out. Everything coca dolls follow horn line and took racists. Could you give big big round of applause off for the wonderful cog up cherry. Ah listening to guilty memphis with me. Guest co hosts a very special awesome taibbi cherry malting encode prom. Repealing engineer was chris scholl among college thomas. Let's keep the spontaneity shop thanks to joanna multiple awesome and let's all distinct more about this visit guilty scope. It can be the judge of how good i am at that. If i was terrible wave i'm terrible it is. I'm like the token terrible when either i don't. I don't know if this issue talking on facebook spoken word terrible but i don't know maybe i'm traveling. I'm like am. I performing spoken with you. I don't know everything i can ahead. If you try hard enough everything everything is spoken word but is everything spoken-word or is nothing words spoken. That's nuts nuts. How am i going to say that right. Thank you the so usually when poetry i do my station.

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Phoebe and Adam Scott Go to a U2 Concert

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Phoebe and Adam Scott Go to a U2 Concert

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I know too, like went to Starbucks today, and they didn't have the Muffin I wanted. Okay. That's not what I'm saying. How to do one last bayton switch. That's your signature move. This is the end of the season, y'all know. Belief. I can't believe it. It's been a good one. It's been a really good season. I feel like everyone who's been on the show is like really creative and smart and also doing stuff to better the world. Yeah. So it's been like really, really cool. Yeah. It's been fun. Oh, I know it's just like the passing of the season. See, now we must draw to a close. We've got lots of exciting stuff coming up right Phoebe. Yeah. Yeah, what are you doing this summer? Knowing come on. I'm going to go to London. Okay. Bake off. And I just won't go to marry. Oh England, right. Where it's gonna be really fun. And then I'm gonna go to Scotland in August. Have you been before? I've never been Sabi toys. Traveling is gonna be that's so nice. Yeah. What are your plans, my summer plans? Well, I did study abroad in Ecuador when I was in college, and I'm gonna go back this summer. And visit my host families and hang out with. Excited, I think for like a week and a half. And then I'm just gonna like go to the beach as much as possible. Those are my big goals when I first moved to New York, I didn't realize you can go to the beach here. And like when somebody was like you can take the subway to the beach. It could not believe it. I was shocked the beach that I've really liked the most in New York is probably Jacob breeze. Yeah. It's really, really nice 'cause especially like when I was freelancing, we would go like during the week like on a Tuesday afternoon when it was mostly kind of like empty. That's so nice felt like J lo and a rod, like, if I had the money to clear out a beach, but I don't have you ever had a beach mishap. Ev definitely had like my top accidentally, like come down. Accidentally write PD was. So this was like in call. That's college. We had. It's the end of this, and get to do. But we have like a retreat because I was a resident of visor. And so what were you like as an RA, I wish just like guys just don't do drugs and Doboy other me like people drink. I didn't care Mike. Big whoop. Yeah. I rather people drink like in a controlled setting in their dorm than like go, you know, out in the streets, and do you like the mom outlets? Their kids have Margaritas. There are no rules in this house. Not like a regular mom, cool. Mom, and it was like, so dumb. Because they've definitely like you have to like write up residents. If they're drinking on Mike. Why are we pretending like this isn't college? Right. We're going to experiment and do this. I was like fuck that Phoebe so subversive I love got tell you didn't get asked back because I, I wouldn't narc on people hearing you used the word. Are you are punk him baby? You're going to camp. No, my parents are not about that life. Oh, yes. Sorry. Did you go to kill? Have anything I like did nothing. But did you like camping do you like flirt with any both ways were you like making crafts with deer squirrel? Friends. I went to girl scout camp. Girls, and like the big thing is that all of the counselors would have fake names. So, like you'd tell them, they'd be like I'm sparkle call your counselor sparkle for the entire week. That's one of the big surprises on the last day you could find out what their real name. Is. It was like so exciting. When I said, name was just like Ron, it's like well it was a girl scout camp. Oh, yes. Toes like Beth? But it was fine. Crisco campus. Fun just really funny. Great, did you do girl scouts at I did? Nothing did you ever wanna do girl? Scouts. So the cookies I was like I don't want to be in business right now. You sound like Octavia. I just you watch a lot of TV. Yeah. What was your favorite childhood TV show? Oh, gosh. I think TJ like all the classics. Yeah. That's probably my favorite, and then I really loved. I would not take you for our kid. Oh my God. I loved it so much. Wow. Would you like dress up as a Power Ranger? No. I wasn't like super into Halloween because parents aren't candy people. But yeah, they weren't like indicates they wouldn't take us to go trick or treat. We went like a couple of times with after that they were like, really. Yeah. Wow. I know truly cells I grew up like with, like on the floor. No lights. Not a lotta half. Friends. Did you just play with a hoop to a stick, Phoebe did hula-hoop? This is your one toy for your entire childhood. Here's your who. Okay. Joni mun. Yes. For the last time Tosks to that mother freaking commercial, Honey. It's time for commercial. I'm sad. I know want it to be over the season was so fun. I'm just going to interview some more people and then just edit it. So your salary is going to have a significant drop. Everybody. I'm Shelby tau Jordan guerrilla where the house of adulting, the new comedy podcast from WNYC studios, adulting is hard. Yet, is there's taxes, it's losses. So we get together and share stories, along with some great guests comedians like Phoebe Robinson, Jim gaffe again, and why it's neck close, we answer questions audience, like, how much is too much? It's been on a pillow. So join us for adult thing wherever you get your podcasts. Don't miss it. Because. Okay, you go. as we are back, and we are back with a, dear dear height guy, a lot of Khulna. Great Joe Joe. Yes. Phoebe. When did you first become aware of our guest today as scoot at Dem's goat? Well, I loved parks and rec, presenting the cones of done Shire, a brand new gaming experience, eight to twelve players to wizards a maverick the urban to warriors, a corporal and a ledger. Now the Letterman just keep score and wears this hat. And when it first came out, I was actually a community organizer. And so I felt very adjacent to Leslie. Nope. Like it was therapeutic like the horrible town halls. Like I was the one who had to help facilitate those I could just relate so deeply so parks and rec holds this like incredibly special, and therapeutic space for me. What about you? When did you become aware of Adam Scott, the first thing I ever saw him? And was stepbrothers is your problem man problem? I don't know. I don't have a problem Dale. Actually, I have the opposite of a problem I made over five hundred and fifty K last year. How much did you make? It's not about money. No. It's not about money. Well, for me it's a little bit about money. And I made that much money last year. I am devito P of the biggest executive helicopter leasing company on the western seaboard. It's like one of my favorite will Ferrell movies. This is so funny. It's so ridiculous. And you could tell they were like improvising. So much and make each other laugh. Really? Really funny. So I saw him in that and then he was in knocked up, but I think it was like a smaller part. And then this is really, really funny. He was an. Did you ever watch master law with J lo? Yeah. Jane Fonda remember, he plays the I think the gay neighbor. In white sweetie. Really? Doc, look at you. And so is your mother-in-law? So he's been in, like a lotta shea. He's been like killing it for like a really long time. And I think like right now, a lot of people love him because he's on one of my favorite TV shows coming back and one of my favorite TV shows as well. Little is. Good-looking adventure ride. Okay. But there is something to be said for being there for being truthful for being somebody, you can steadfastly count on. I would not be anybody's runner up, you need to cure that. And then you know what this is Janis over the real reason dot assign. Dot assign talented actor. Yes. Is he an entertaining and incredible performer? Absolutely. Is he hilarious? Yes. But Phoebe spill the tea I know Adam because he also loves you too. And he even had a podcast called are you talking you to, to me a he's to do it with his good buddy, Scott Offerman, and I've been on the podcast few times, the first taping was like three hours and it was so fun. That's just like your heaven, his hawk about you, two for three hours without me. My anybody like saying something sarcastic to you. I fix your like the voices in your life. Like the voice of bake off saying, no photos of you to allowed in the bedroom, just like flitting away, just feeling completely free to be yourself. Yes, this is like so fun. I have like the best time. I've gone to you to concert with Scott Adam, and it was. And it was so it was so. What was the we have seats like up in this day? We also have a little wristband can go down to the floor here really experience it from like so many different angle now which is really important because of the stations I for the show like you like they're different viewpoints. Sorry to me. I'm just no. Now. It's great. It's great. I'm sorry feel like say Senate. I feel bad. It's so keep, but anyway out of has been like, so sweet and wonderful. And he's such a cool dude. He has a production company. He let cares about issues that have nothing to do with Hollywood. So I thought why not in the season with a really cool token weak- while I'm so, so so pumped to have him on our official white guy, I've season for? Ooh goodie guys. Okay. So there's a lot I want to cover today, but I feel like I would be a big old ding-dong. If I didn't just start the damn interview with you to. Let's talk about it. Sure where both obsessed and I have been on your podcast, a couple of times you came into the show in L A. And then we met up at a YouTube show. So it's so fun. Yeah. Like if anyone out there wants to know like a guaranteed good time. It is going to you to show with Phoebe Robinson. So fun. You've been very generous with your time with our dumb little podcast. It's been so fun. And you guys got to even interview the band for the podcast, which is like just a dream. But can you tell me what it was like to just be in the room with those guys for you freaking out like did you Vert to, like, you know, teenage Adam like what were you thinking hundred percent, teenage Adam, it was a profound moment? I'm not joking because since I got on board with the Joshua tree. So it's nineteen eighty seven nineteen Eighty-eight rattling was really huge for me too, because I was like fourteen, and I was right at that age where you click in and find your identity through the music you like in the movies you like so the first time we interviewed them. It was at electric lady land studios. In New York and Scott and I were waiting there for them for like, forty five minutes, just getting so nervous. And then all of a sudden, the four of them walk in, and it's recording studio. So the edge sits at a just a piano, that's in the corner of the room and starts playing stuck in a moment. And Bano just kind of as you suggesting headphones and stuff just starts singing that song. And I think you know, they know how this is going to please to hosts to podcast. And yes, I think if you listen to those interviews, it's embarrassing. I haven't listened to them because I think it's, it's deeply embarrassing to hear how nervous we both are in particular me, and, and all of my questions that I asked end up being compliments. That's how that's how I'm basing it. No. I thought they were great. And so don't beat yourself up you killed it. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So let's get a little background on you. So you grew up in California keen. Tell me what it was like, being little, baby. Adam scott. Sure I grew up. Yeah. In California, and Santa Cruz, which is like a little beach town. South of San Francisco. They have the lost boys was filmed there and us was filmed there that boardwalk, that's us. I worked there as a teenager taffy. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah. I went to see us having no idea that, that's where he shot the movie. And so the big confrontation where the car catches on fire. That's where I used to go and smoke cloves school that exact back I in that shot of the burning cars like that bench on the cliff is where I would go smoke close. So it's a really lovely town. It's a great place to grow up. My parents are teachers middle class upbringing with really lovely supportive. Parents and brother and sister. And so it was great. It was. I'm very lucky to have the childhood, I had, what kind of kid were you 'cause I describe myself as like introvert extrovert like a much more quiet when I'm not performing. I think that always sort of surprises people. So how would you describe yourself growing up? You know, I I'm sort of the same way I mean, I've never been a stand up comedian never even come close. So I've never had to go and do that. Sort of thing where you're out there, really with a room all to yourself. I can't even imagine it, but I also am pretty introverted. I, I certainly value solitude when I can get it. I had an older brother and sister, but they were a bit older than me. So I ended up having a lot of time to myself, which is sort of where I got the desire to be an actress, because I had all this time to myself, where I would imagine all of these, I remember I. Used to act all by myself in my room. And you know, pretend I was in the outsiders. Do these scenes from raiders of the lost star? You know all just by myself and had this whole world. And my mother also was a huge influence as far as bringing me to my first money. Python movie. We have a nights who say, no. There's a revival theater in the town. So he introduced me to a lot, of course of Woody Allen and all of that. It's well, so I still enjoy solitude where I can get it and feel sort of happiest when I'm able to recharge in that way. That makes sense that makes sense. Well, how can you do that? Because you're married, and you have to kids. Yeah. You know, it's funny because that was always a question for me, because I was always like the kind of person who would like to disappear, but with my kids and with Naomi with my wife, it's like it, there's an exemption there like it doesn't count, like they're so much. A part of me. You know, if I'm going off on location that, that first night, alone in the hotel, or the corporate apartment, or wherever they're putting me up is terrific, just to have just the, the quiet and the solitude. But after that first night, I'm, I'm miserable because they're so much. A part of what makes me feel centered like Adam? That makes sweet. I love that. Did you always want to be a dad? You know it's weird. It was never never really was something I thought about that much. You know, I came here really young, I was twenty and I started additioning and wanting to be an actor, and it was just like a solo thing, and I just never really thought about it. But then when it happened, I couldn't ima-. I mean, I can't imagine living my life without these, these two kids, I can't imagine what I would have ended up being if they didn't come into my life. I know you mentioned that you, turn twenty and you're like a cabinet like hit the ground running with acting like a ton of dishes, like alive. Your early work was like pretty dramatic and was. That was that sort of like your dream. Where did you wanna be like the serious actor or we just sort of, like whatever were comes my way, is what I will do. Yeah. No hundred percent. I wanted to be, you know, I went to acting school for a couple years and kind of fancied myself, a very serious, like Robert de Niro, Pacino were my guys Christopher Walken that whole RV cocktail that whole kind of era of actors who are incredible. Of course. And Ethan Hawke was was just kind of breaking huge at that time, too. And so that's kind of who I looked to, as like, yeah. That guy's doing it. Right. And so I thought I would be a really serious serious. Actor. Ninety three ninety four I guess is around the time. Okay. So then how did you get into comedy? Yeah. It was stepbrothers was was where that leads in stepbrothers. Yeah, thank you. I got my real estate license a few years back for shits and gigs. I'd even do it for four fifths commission because you really gets dick hard. My friends. Be. No. It would be kick ass, bro. I. Yeah, I was doing. I was doing this really dark serious HBO show called tell me you love me. Yes. Sexually explicit show about, you know, marriage is crumbling. And so I always between seasons on that and addition for stepbrothers because someone had fallen out of that role in brothers and so they needed to cast it quickly. So it was kind of out of nowhere. It's not like I really knew those guys or was in the comedy world at all. I just went not dishes. And, and then before I knew it owes additioning with will Ferrell, and then I got it made no sense that I got this role. And so that sort of started my comed- kind of falling in love with that world. And then party down was a year or so later and then parks and just kind of all sort of grew from there. So I wanted to go back. To the HBO show. Tell me you love me. So I had to do like a sex scene when I shot a it and I was very much like you're like I gained to acting like it's going to be like, really cool. And like, but then you do. You're like this is very uncomfortable bummer. Yes. It is a bummer. And so I've seen this. I watched all the episodes of the show when it came out like you guys you saw that. You saw that, like like you guys like web for it. So how, how wasn't shootings kind of like these explicit, sort of scenes one and then also being in the space of doing a role where you're playing like a couple where your marriage is falling apart? Like, how do you not bring that energy home into your relationship, because I thought that must have been really tricky. Yeah. And that was part of what pushed me to really fall in love with the comedy world, was, it was so much more fun driving to work. Trying to think about how I'm not going to laugh when I'm doing a scene with will Ferrell and John Riley, or you know, Richard Jenkins, and Mary Steenburgen, all these great people. Great people on. Tell me you love me as well and other dramatic things. But how was I going to not? Laugh rather than driving to work kind of getting into the space of I really need to cry about the miscarriage that we're going to explore today at work, not that they're, you know, that's not a legitimate space for storytelling. But that was part of it was just a new world, and new kind of lightness, and fun and invention because watching McKay and will Ferrell and those guys how they would do a couple scripted takes and then just improvise and see where it takes them and get it all on, on film, and figure out what to keep later that blew my mind is a whole new approach to making TV and movies and stuff. But it was really dark. Sonja Waller played my wife and she's incredible. And we became really good friends, and she and Naomi became good friends, so yeah, the sexual stuff was uncomfortable. And. It's never easy to do those types of scenes, Anna show, where you're doing it almost every episode. At least you start feeling like whoa. I mean, this is all fake. But I've been like naked in bed four times in the past five weeks. This is crazy. But yeah it was pretty hard core. Like I had a fake penis that we would you it was it was really crazy. Like if that went for seven seasons. I don't know what I would have done. Right up associate bring up the fake penis again. I think we named it. Do you remember the name, I don't. But I, I know that we did. I wish I could remember it. It's amazing. Well, you have done so many different kinds of roles and I feel like you've played like good, guys. You've also play like sort of like the jerk characters like from stepbrothers, and you also play, you know, like a big oil evil demon on the good place. Like where do you get that sort of energy from that you can sort of tap into that character be that sort of kind of hard ass? I know when the stepbrothers thing came along I when I read it I was like, oh, yeah, I know how to do this, and it was a fascination with overconfident douche bags. And I think they're so much fun to watch something about the toxic masculinity. That's really entertaining when it's comedic. Really entertaining in general to watch a man who thinks he's amazing, and he's clearly not. And those guys had written it so, well, but for whatever reason it clicked in and I thought that's hilarious. And I think I know like my version of that could be funny. I think what am I top two parts for you characters? I like we been why on parks and rec, I love that show forever will always love it. It was so good. And I wanna know like what was it like working in that show because it looks like he has has such an amazing time. Yeah. We really did. And I know every show says that, like we were we love each other. We're a family, all of that stuff. Yeah, it's probably Naasi aiding after a while hearing TV show say that but it was. And it was the greatest thing about it is. We all knew how special it was the whole time. And we never took it for granted. None of us. Did we the whole time we were going, you know, we just had this reunion at the paley fest, where we had this panel in front of an audience at the Kodak Theatre, which was packed with people. I don't know how many people that place holds, but it's the place where they have the Oscars. And so there are people packed all the way in all these balconies up to the ceiling. And it was really moving to see because when we were making the show, we would have these panels these EMMY panels and stuff, and we wouldn't even fill like, little theater in the valley where wherever we would have these things, but it's lovely seeing it continued to connect with people because I feel the same way about it as the fans do I really love it. And so beyond proud to have been a part of it yet. So I read that you initially, like. Auditioned for the show for apart. I don't know which part, but you didn't get it in the got cast in the show later. What was the part you Ridgely audition for what I remember is they were auditioning people, and they didn't really have roles yet. I remember Nick. And I, Nicole Ferman and I were at the same on dishing. I guess reading this. We were both going in and reading with Rashida. So maybe ended up being Mark Brin Danna wits. I don't know. I think it was even earlier than than that, like, obviously, they saw Nick and can shape something that worked better for him, or they had another character to move him towards I wanted to be a part of this thing. And then I screwed up the, the dishes was not good. And so I didn't get it and went and did party down instead and then a couple years later, it sort of came around again. Okay. One more question about parks and rec because, you know. As of us fans we watch his show, and it was, like, just so much fun. And like it just, you know, has so many just kind of like icon ick. Moments what were some of your favorite moments from being on set? Man, there is a period of time, and I guess it was season four when Leslie was in the midst of her campaign for city council, when we were all kind of in this campaign bus together and Paul Rudd and Kathryn Hahn were guest starring as well. And it was just so much fun we 'cause we were on the road, like we're going around Los Angeles shooting, and all these different locations for campaign stops. And, and it was felt like we were on the the west wing during campaign season. And it was just surrounded by friends just having so much fun doing the stupidest bits and I were literally look around and just say it's never going to be like this show. It will, I will never have a job that. It's this much fun. And I really doubt I ever. Well, it was just truly wonderful people making dumb dick jokes together. It's the best. The latest poll has only two points behind Bobby Newport. Guys, we only have one more day to close the gap, and we're going to do so a one time campaign blitz aboard the s. Nope, home for the next twenty four hours. And if we win, hopefully, we'll be the home that Ben and I share forever. What is this an idea? I had, we don't have to do it whatever we can talk about. That's awesome. Well, if you guys ever do reboot be there watching. Okay. Big low allies. It is coming back. I'm very excited. I wanna freak out. I'm telling you, I'm gonna just freak out like the way did season one watch it as soon as it airs. I'm very pumped for people who aren't aware of the show, yet, haven't seen it which I feel like is Kuku. Can you just tell us a little bit about your character Ed on the show? Sure, I your interview with Reese was terrific. Thank you, so fun. She, it's so fun. I saw that on my feed that she was the guest on your show, and I and it just made sense. It was like, yeah. Phoebe and res, of course, those two should sit down and talk like that's a great pair. Yeah. A Mike character. I'm playing Reese, Witherspoon 's husband Ed, who's her character. Madeline is a force of nature, where she needs to have a certain degree of control at all times, or she starts feeling imbalance. And I think Ed is the perfect mate for her to absorb the sort of shockwaves that happen, when there that imbalance kind of kicks in, and I think he's sort of a bit of a beta male. And I think that in order to, to make the relate. Ship work. He needs to be. But in season when we saw his patients starting to wear thin and in season two, we sort of see him, you know starting to look for his own identity a little bit. Ooh, I like that. It's going to be like. Can make over seen or 'cause your your character has the beard. Yeah, that's one of the key, symbols of Ed is the facial hair. That's. That was your idea. Yeah. So why, why do you feel like he needed the beard, did that encapsulate like beta to you for him to have that beard, not necessarily? But I think that, you know, I grew Santa Cruz is directly across this small bay from Monterey. So I, I know that area nine no, like I've read the script and read the book and I was like, I know Ed Ed is the guy that works from home, always with the polo ver- zip up fleece. You know with this zip up. That's you know, quarter of the way down and some khakis, and he's, you know this bay area tech guy that works from home and he has a beard. He has a beard, and so the beard, sort of became part of the character in part of sort of armor, from all of this anxiety at home, and or at least that's my pretentious way of thinking about it. But then at the end of the season, we shaved it off, and, and then it sort of stays off for for season two and they'll be coming back as far as I, I mean as far as the beginning of the season news, folks, ED's beard is not in the beginning season too. So. So what was it like working on the set, like I'm very curious, as you know, because we've seen so many interviews with all the ladies talking about, like house like so many women on said, and like how was really cool environment for them? But you're like one of the main deeds on the show. So like did it feel like a different set from a lot of the ones you worked on previously because it was more diverse in terms of the amount of women working? Yeah. I mean to hear restock about it in the fact that she, and Nicole and Shaleen Zoe and Laura Dern and Meryl Streep there. I mean, it is an incredible group and being on that set was crazy. It was like getting to play drums with the traveling wilburs or something like this is the super Adam, I that is to white a reference for me that. The traveling wilburs. Yeah. That is. And I know that. No. No. You shouldn't. It's incredibly white reference. God traveling Wilbur is this supergroup that came out in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight intact. Bob Dylan George Harrison. Tom petty ROY orbison and Jeff Lynne from E, L L and. Electric light orchestra. You would you know a couple of I know that I've know that band. Okay. Got it got it. I'm gonna Email you text you a couple travelling Wilbur songs. But it is quite possibly the whitest thing. You will you will hear this year. So anyway, reference noted and being on the set was was crazy and really low. I mean, they're all really lovely, but to hear restock about how the fact that they would talk to each other midway through the season and say, when was the last time, you had this much dialogue with another woman, and they couldn't think of a time when they had, you know, in a movie or TV shows so much to say to another woman protagonist is pretty crazy. And it's, it's a huge step forward that this show was as successful as it was as good as it was with all female leads. It's incredible to be to be a part of that. Yeah. And you, you kill it on the show. And now I think it's from this season particular of so many white guys say, quite it's been great is that have been having people at q. Who are, you know, really creative, and they are dominating their industry, but they also do other things outside of it. So I, I know through my research that you feel really passionately about gun control, which I think, is, you know, very important and guns as a thing that for some reason, we can't really make any sort of progress in terms of getting reasonable gun control happening. So I wanna know what made you feel like this is the sort of issued that I wanna take on. 'cause that's a it's a tricky one and people get really passionate about it, and they can be really sort of aggressive in a way that can feel kind of threatening, you know. Yeah, it is a tricky issue and understandably. So I mean, there are it's a big part of our culture and there are a lot of places in the country where people grow up with guns, the grow up hunting. It's a part of their heritage. But I think the most important. Thing to communicate. Is that groups like moms demand action in every town? Shannon watts. They aren't interested in coming and taking away people's guns who were kind of the that were acquired lawfully, and they don't want to stop the sale of guns. It's just some common sense laws, you know, background checks so we can at least slow the flow of guns because obviously it's an epidemic. It's a tough issue, but I'm feeling like we're turning a corner, now and I think that a lot of candidates are now talking about commonsense gun laws in the electorate is talking about it more. It's a it's a more feasible issue now certainly than it was ten years ago, and hopefully, we can do something about it. Yeah. Well, Adam, this has been very delightful Phoebe. You're so kind of on your. Show. This is being great. And honestly, we could've made the whole episode about YouTube, but no one would've listened would've he. Yeah. But this is I'm so excited for you and everything you have going on. You're kicking ass. Thank you so much. And we should do another another Ye to concert again. But so fun, whether it be in Beijing Los Angeles. We should make it happen again. Yeah. We're just gonna rent a private jet. You know, totally we'll do that. No problem. Yeah. Jodi, Mitch what a damn delay. Adam, Scott is just lovely. He's so sweet. And it's just like I don't want this episode to be over. I don't want this season to be over. So you know what? Joni. And making a stand. Tell me about your stand. I'm having a sit in so actually making a sit. You're making a what I'm saying in this studio, a WNYC studios, and I'm not leaving until you go out and books of more. Guess I have some more people to interview over the summer. But if I don't. Well, then I'm just going to be here. Uh-huh indefinitely. So then we can just shut the door and walk away. Okay. So people are going to be so inspire by my citizen. That like radio lab is going to be like, we're sitting into. Oh, phoebe. Well, I have to appreciate your, your pacifist, resistance, and on your struggle. I'm gonna be on the beach. But good luck with that. Okay. This starts now so WNYC studios, it's your call. I have half a container press juicery greens, number three, which collagen powder in there to keep the youthful during my journey. But Phoebe just burn through all of the food that you had yet did just eat all those estate to banks. Can I order post mates while MO my sitted and then like you go downstairs and get it for me and bring it in to the sea? No, I actually have planned the momentarily. Okay, listeners to hack if you want to joy my citizen come to WNYC, we'll do it together. You know what I'm gonna do? Real call to action though. Okay. Listeners you know what? This has been an amazing season. I would love to know what people thought of the season what were some of their favorite moments. What was their favorite episode like who would they like to hear from in the future, like I want? I want to hear from the listeners in here what they what they thought of season for. Okay. That seems a little more positive than my irrational citizens. Yeah. So, you know, let us know hashtag, so many white guys with three hours of. PM just gonna leave you here. But first community the credits. Yes, we the chant so many white guys so many white guys. So many white guys. This is great. Yeah. I think totally. Well, this is with everything happening in the world right now climate change, and everything this is like really going to just rise. Right to the top might to the top. This so many white guys team includes Amri Paul to nano Joanna Salvatore Hollis, human Joep, Lord. He Zimmer Isaac Jones nor was was and Phoebe Robinson our theme song was written by white, dude. 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Phoebe and Michelle Buteau Get Cozy

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Phoebe and Michelle Buteau Get Cozy

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Faye by. Hi, phoebe. Can you do any other sort of accents at all? I mean I can do more intense Minnesotan accent. I could just go there. Hey, phoebus. It's great to be here. You know. How about that snow? Like milk. That was. Every time I go home to the twin cities, though, like for a lot like if I'm there on a longer chip like me saying, yeah, by the time I leave, I'm like, yeah. Like it. Just that's not the way here. But it it's just it's like putting on a comfortable pair of pants like I'm just like. It's a comfortable pair of pants that you farted it a thousand times. I don't have gas. So I went. Okay. This is Joan, you have to ask you question. How was your mother's day my mother's day? What would you do with your mom? What did I do with me, mum? Well, my is was in Minneapolis. So, so I did give her a call, and I'm a bit of a procrastinator. So there's a package waiting to go to her in the mail. But yeah, so it was really cute. They had a nice day at home. I was just at a couple of weeks ago. But you, you got to spend time I did as to face time with Misaki Tapia, I know Octavia Robinson. Hey, mom. I never gonna listen to this. But hey, boo. Yeah, I haven't spent like a mother's day with her like a minute. It's like several years. And so when I moderated my last book of it with me in Toronto. That's Michelle Obama Toronto. You're need a translation. I feel like. Oronte is going to catch on because it's so cute as cute. But when I've finished moderating Michelle was like we're going to get after party for the final show in Nashville, a mother's day. He's being your parents. They could come to like, you know, the book event beforehand, and I was like, oh my God. That's amazing. I was like my mom he's to travel. So this is fifty fifty she might not might God and Michigan because she's like my mom's the same way, she never wants to travel for anything, so FaceTime, my parents about it, and I was like, hey guys, so have some exciting news. You've been invited to the final show for mother's day. And my dad was like into it, and my mama's, like I think I'm gonna be tired and. So it's so you know what when I told my mom that I was going to I shall Obama. When we did the to clean special she cried, yet, that's like the normal yet I just love like every single time like I'm like, what does your mom think about you, having like HBO specials? She just seems like nonplussed. The thing is like my parents are like into it. They're just not expressive about it. So they're kind of like, always adult three. I say saying you might be too tired, Tim neat Michelle Obama, I would say you're giving your mama threes generous a one. I'd say that's like a point two five. That's like that's one inch over from a dial tone. Do you want to Michelle Obama? I'm amazed that your dad was able to put a ring on it. Well the thing on committal where he first proposed. She said, no Octavia. This is classic octave. So I mean Tapia looks out for number one. But so then the next day, she Texas. She's like. Your father, and I are going to come to Nashville text me. We have all the details. And I'm like, okay, don't turn into, you know, Meryl Streep from the devil wears Fridays, like Maya system with the entire. Happy mother. That's by though, you're like I'm trying to do something nice for you. But they're just so like it's came to like the after party. Initially, my mom was like, we're going to say our and I was like, okay, cool and this, we're heading to the after party. My mom was like I think only do like half an hour. And then, like, we got close. She's like it might be just twenty minutes. But they say for like a little over an hour. Here's the thing about my mom, I think, sometimes, she's just sort of, like she's playing hard to get, you know, anytime has it always been that way. It's just like they, my parents are just they're a little on the fussy side like they won't admit this, but they hate traveling. They don't like hotels. They don't like eating anyone else's cooking, but their own, but they did have fun. And they got all dressed up my mom more like heels. Like she was excited. They looked great. Oh, so did they meet, Michelle? They did. So we did like the was your mom, just like. Was that TV like and your name is? No. It was so cute, like you could tell if they were like a little, like they're a little more like on the quiet side. A little more reserved. I'm very loud, and annoying. But they were like so spe- Mike talking to her. And it was like, really cute emiss- was, like, you know, just being very complimentary about me. And it was just like, really nice sound nice. Hello, everyone. I'm Michelle Obama. And on this mother's day weekend, I wanna take a moment to honor all the mothers out there and wish you a happy mother's day. Okay. Jodi match, you know what I'm gonna be a team player today. And I know it's time to throw to some advertisers, so you can get that cash Ola. So are you happy as this one? Having teenage daughter is like, yes. Yes. Don't forget, if you support so many white guys with donation of sixty dollars. Right now copies. My book, everything is trash, but it's okay, just head to so many white guys dot com slash donate. That's S as Sam fall by three many white size dot com slash donate. Or Tex white guys seven oh one oh one thinks. I'm Jordan girls where the house of adulting, the new comedy podcast from WNYC studios, adulting is hard. Yet, is there's taxes losses. So we get together and share stories, along with some great guests comedians like Phoebe Robinson, Jim gaffe again, and why it's neck close, we answer questions audience, like, how much is too much? It's been on a pillow. So join us for adult thing wherever you get your podcasts. Don't miss it. Hey, Moe does we are back? Did you like that hot out of commercial mo- foes? That's pretty compared to some of the language on this show. That's a little extreme might have to run it by the FCC. You know what I live on the edge? You're so while I'm punk rock, baby. You're so punk. But you know what? It's not about me, and how cool I am. Crickets. But is it about Phoebe Jones what you're? They're so cute. Phoebe. You're very cool. Thanks joni. Mitchell were you? Thank you know, less is cool. Who else is cool? Our special guest today, this episode. I'm very excited about guys. I got to talk to one of my closest friends in life, the hilarious thoughtful, gorgeous. Sweet kind hearted Michelle Bhutto. I love Michelle Puto just just a gem. Just a gem listeners, you may know Michelle from a lot of her work. I, I became acquainted with her as being performer on the very first ever episode of Tudo queens. Oh my God. This is the one and he came to visit me New York, one time about the cell phones on the bed, and they were exactly alike and it rang and I picked it up. And this girl was on the other end. She goes is Eric there. And I go who is. And she go who it is. I go who? Diz. This went off for a real long time. Because we knew who to fuck this was she's just been killing. It's so crazy how time flies and she is just like on a Ron right now. Like she's on TV. She has a show coming out and BT called first wives club. She's doing shows on Netflix. She's in movies. She close stars actually, in the new net flicks movie. That's coming out later this month is called always be my maybe the trailer just came out and looks so funny, and it was co written by the two other stars of the movie Allie Wong, and Randall park. She actually plays alleys characters best friend. Hey, failing pregnant is I am so medicate, Milton. I was driving to work this morning. Thinking about her taking those pictures on the hospital steps like what three hours after she had a baby, and she had Royal diaper on, you know, she had that what you talk about stuff. Guys, aren't you intrigued? And there's even more Michelle coming your way because edition to all the on camera stuff that she's doing. You can also hear her on a new podcast that launches today called adult team. Now, someone I know works show. I wonder who that person could be. I think it's rise e- Chris. So can we bring? Wait listeners. You got though. Classic Phoebe Robinson bait. And switch. It's me. I work on a doting. I'm the editor of the show. It's so fun Joni. Mitch this is like a pretty big deal. Like you are just like killing the podcast and game right now. And now there's this new show coming out, and I've done it before people who have not gone to live Tapie yet. Can you tell them what to expect from adulting? Yes, the show is so fun. Basically, it's Michelle toe, and her co host Jordan Carlos this like totally amazing and hilarious stand up comedian. And basically, they just co host the show. That's all about the trials and tribulations of being an adult. So what they do is they invite a lot of amazing guests same by people like Naomi. Baragan you love why it Senec Jim gaffe again. You way Robinson. I didn't episode actually year on the very first and like what I love about it, too. Is that like Michelle's chemistry and interplay? With people is so great, and you hear it on the show. And you're going to hear it in today's interview too. I just love you together. Yeah. It was really cool. And the, like my favorite part of this was that we got to record her house. Nice accorded bed. How intimate it was intimate. Took my shoes off. I didn't far. So cozy though few, it was really cute. It was like the most Brooklyn morning ever. She was eating like a had a green. Geez. She had like, avocado toast so Brooklyn here so much you're too much. But you guys you're gonna love this interview. Here we go. Michelle do. Uh-huh. You know what miss she? I'm very excited that you're doing so many white guys is season for one Johm for him. True. I mean we've we've known each other. It's twenty nineteen wanna say we met, one eighty twelve and San Francisco at what was it the purple? No, I thought I met you for the first time at the NBC diversity contest comedy store in LA, like two thousand ten. Okay. Yeah. When used to wear vests. When I first started doing stand up I was wearing like a lot of this is it was a lot of like cater waiter. Very a sexual. Yeah. Just like bad like off off off off Broadway version of Chicago. Yeah. Okay. We had to come in. I used to black shirt in jeans. Yes. That's everybody will take me seriously and plan it really could set the first time. I did it. So it was like your. Yeah. But it doesn't always work because I work as the first time I had sex, and really trying to the same thing, I'm just like am I just like taking your podcast down, like five different? Are you have questions? Let's get to it. This is great. I'm so happy, we're doing this. We're just to set the beyond we're Michelle's house downstairs area, and we're doing this from bed, you guys. Yeah. So this is very cute. This is like, what hold on. Kathy Lee wanted to achieve just did it without the wine. It's not wine o'clock bed together. So here's the thing like so many people who like know, us knows it's like being really cute, like hosting shows union hall doing, like our own comedy stuff. I face time together, but, like I want people to, like, no, the show origin story you know what I mean? So, like, okay you. Goup in jersey. Put your your dad is from hating your mom's Jamaican keystone of talk about like what your childhood was like a little bit. Sure. My dad is from Haiti. He speaks eight languages. He's running or he is always smartest person in a room and he likes to let people know that my mom from Jamaica, half black half, white her jazz from France. And my dad went to Jamaica for, like spring break lay met, and like hit it off, and he had come back to the states and they were pen pals for six months, and he's like I just really want you to come to New York and, you know, come out on a date with me. And so, my mom, you know, found a sponsor to come to America. And so, my dad was a slight. This is it. This is the end so, yes. Mom from Jamaica death from Haiti dated in New York, married in New York eloped on their lunch break, because she's going to be deported until they couldn't win their wedding. And so my dad worked for. Edna for years and years and years. My mom's accustoms broken, they moved to jersey to live that suburban life. So it was great. It was like the best of both worlds because I would go to Jamaica every summer. So that was like my island fix and I got to see my Joe make on family, and then on the weekends we would go to Brooklyn. You noticing my Haitian causes my Jamaican cousins, I'm just like oh, and it was really sort of just like whatever you think the shy is like that's what it was. And then I would like go back to are dead end cold a sack in jersey and play with, like these little white girls. Aim Lori and catering. And it, you know, it was weird at the time it felt like I was like what is life, but I'm really happy. My parents, exposed me tell out of stuff, and I think that's also like the good thing about being the only child, it's like they just put you in your back their backpack. And you just go do you feel like because like I've talked to other people who are like only kids, like, I have older brothers site. Like have like a little. Buddy growing up. Yeah. Talked to other people who are only kids, and they felt like they sort of matured faster just mostly around a dull. Yeah. You're the third person. Yeah. And the thing is, it's like when you are the only child like it's just hard being your parents, everything. And also, when they get older that is hard on you as well. Because there's no one to sort of share that burden with. Okay. So you said something about being your parents. Everything. Do you have an example like either like growing up as a kid, like a teenager or even like your early adulthood, when you're like? All right. I really gotta like have maybe this super successful career because Mike, they're only kid in college. It was sort of dislike just finished college back, then it's just like learning disabilities were not on the forefront anybody's mind. It was just like you're smart or you're not you're lazy or you're not. And so I didn't even realize that there was this, like more than one way to learn something. And that was never. A conversation. So they always thought I was this, like, very bright and emotionally aware, but just like not very book smart. And so, you know, there was a lot, especially because my parents are like very book smart. So, you know, there was always just like not like a disappointment, but definitely just like a well we're going to have to do it this way. Because Michelle can't do x y and z, you know, and so, I think my mom when she talks about me when I was little so funny, she's just like you were just like Wylie independent, and I'm like, did I have a choice. Choice at five years old. You were setting your alarm clock and making your breakfast in the morning, sitting out your clothes. I'm just like what still do that. But that's nice. And so, you know, for me when I was like gonna graduate college, I just I just want to leave. I just want to have. I went to Florida international university, which is a college you get to go to when you can't get into university of Miami. Nine for decade. And you're still like loving and bubbly in Sweden and complex and deep in very smart. Some kind of like wondering, like, what you were just like little, like, Michelle with I could little freckles and our curly hair, and her like big old titties as teenager. Like what we're. We're, you know, sweet. And then he went to life. Big all boating. She was so caring and confident and quiet. But she got that Bo. She got that Joseph boating, what were you in a corner reading writing poetry? Then we'll work. And. That's how you get them you like butter them up and they drop in, like a little bit of crass, the. You like as a teenager, God. Well, you know, I had this body before it was ready. So, you know, not ready. She not ready for them to have more by the show. Bhutto. Show bhutto. So, like, you know, I was I want to be a kid longer. But, you know, I had these cities that was twelve and it was, like, you know, just sort of figuring out had a be a teenager. And also be sexualize by Grossman was a thing that nobody wanted to explain to me. So I was a bit shy. I wouldn't stand up straight because Matisse was so big. And so I'd like hunch over, 'cause, you know, you're not ready for them. And so I was like one of those quiet people. But then when you got to know Matt in shut up. A lot of dancing in the mirror. A lot of like taping TRL. I would've been Debbie Gibson's video gladly. A lot of quiet performing. I always want to be in a high school play. It was like too shy. Wow. I just can't imagine that, but yeah. I think it's also like you know, I talked to a lot about that too, because she likes star developing pretty young as well. And you know, it's sort of, like, how do you think is sort of changed the way you view yourself when you're getting this sort of sexualize attention because you are only twelve so you're just like I'm still a kid. I'm like watching, like my favorite shows on TV. I'm hanging out with my friends, but the night, have this male attention that you don't want that you can't fully process so how that affects the way that you view yourself and how did it sort of like shape the way you grew up as a as a teenager. Why? I mean every teenager, not every I don't wanna speak on behalf of all teenagers. But there is that thing where you think something's wrong with you, because nobody else is going. Threw it except for you even though a lot of people are. So is this like, why do I have to look like this? Why do I have to have this? And it's always like my mom always says, aggressive greener when you're standing in shit, my friend who hadn't developed, okay, where? Curry chicken soup for the cell. Stupid. Yeah. I mean, I had a lot of friends in high school who had not developed yet, but they were fast. They were like wanted like you know, make out this dude, I wanna do this. I wanna do that. And you know, because I was so like, body, you know, before everybody else, I'm just like, but we could still play with dolls right? You don't want to hold onto it longer and it really wasn't until I went to school, Miami, where I saw women with all shapes and, and, and all types of sizes in curves. And this was like, so many island people in South American people who just sort of, you know, owned who they were and their sexuality and didn't make it a thing. And it was beautiful, and I couldn't be more grateful than to go to school in a place like south Florida NIA where it was like people look like me. And I'm like, okay, this is how you do this is I do. I it's awesome. And so a mosaic super into like how and why people get into comedy because I do think it's very, you have the people who, like they really need the sort of, like positive like energy that they get from being on stage. You get that tension that like Phil something for them for other people like they're a little bit shyer real life. It's like where they can really confidence stage. I think I sort of fall into that category. You know, I'm like an extrovert or introvert. But I feel like you started doing stand up shortly after nine eleven three days. Yes. And so what I'm curious to know is did you always want to do comedy before that? And then nine eleven happened, and you were a video editors you were like editing footage of that, for television for the news. Yeah. And so did that make you be like I just wanna pursue my dream of doing comedy? Or do you just want to change your life completely? You know what I want to change my life, completely, but I was like this nine eleven stuff is really messed up. So I wanted like some sort of released but I never had a dream to do standup. I never had a dream do stand up. I don't know. I don't even remember what my dream was twenty years ago. I think it was like to be a mom and to be successful, and happy will whatever that capacity was. Right. So, especially when so many people have told you, you can't be on TV. You can't no one looks like you, you're too. Big or too fat. You're too late your to you trying to act. You black. You're always like to this or not enough that I was like cool. Production is where it's at because every day feels like a different day, and I still get to be created. But I will say, I think I got into stand up because people told me I should do stand up and I'm realizing now looking back on it. I was just too much. I need to do stand up because I was too much for one person very intense, my mind works very fast. I like to talk to people I like to, you know, host a dinner party, but with, like no dinner, you know, I like to engage, I like to make fun of people. I like to do a lot of things I like to, you know, share stories and I feel like my friends at a dinner party like bitch. We heard the story. But, you know, I didn't even realize I had a comedic voice till like my co workers at W NBC would write emails about my day, and they would forward them to other people and be like this is so hilarious yet, I do stand up. So, yeah, I guess, like I had a voice into even know. It's people told me, which is so dumb. But, like, look my Angelo, didn't talk for how many years. Not that I'm comparing myself to her, but I'm just saying, like we'll have a journey and sometime health. Some with somebody facilitating. I know I do turn to Tracy Morgan when I'm tired. None. Okay. The end if I'm tired hungry. I'm like, Honey, boo. Boo Mike Honey wanna get them me. I get to go to. It's like not. Okay. But I wanna say you're like you're in so many movies right now. And I'm really excited with me and your movie. I'll improv that shouldn't make it better bitch. I gotta write a movie. I but when I write one you'll be in it. But I really excited, you know what's funny thing about this is people don't know, about Phoebe, people just say that stuff like when I write a movie, I'm gonna put you in it, and you're like, okay, great. Like you have a great idea. You gotta take the shark tank you never gonna do that. But the thing about Phoebe that she will actually the puck and do it. And it'll be like either three minutes from now or three years. She'd be like bitch. Remember when I said that movie he's like, not remember that because so many things have happened, including your parts. Sorry, what's the question? Thank you for them. You got to the point. But I wanted to say you're so many moves right now really excited about this. If you're going to be and with Alli Wong who's also another one of my favorite funny comedians called always be my maybe here come out. But Keane talk about that movie. Like doing more movie work. You know, it's a different sort of muscle to flex, because stand up is so much like your vision, your voice, you, right. You edit everything. And then with a film, you sort of had to be of services someone else's vision. Yeah. So key talk about, like what's like for you, because you're so big and Seoul bold. And so, like, you don't want to dull the edges on you because it's become a productive evening. That's the great thing about a good director. And not con who directed this you know, as it did like don't just being apartment twenty three and also fresh off the boat and like a bunch of other stuff when you work with comedians, or comedic actors, you know, you've really have to be part visionary, part director part, therapists, and like, lean into, you know, what makes them shine and she was able to do that in a way where I really haven't had that before, and that's amazing you know, because you also like you said. Want to serve the story. But, you know, you have to put your little 'isms and you're shining, your stank on it, and I feel like movies much like stand up just like having a conversation like one, you're in the conversation is great. Stand up is my story but the movie is his person story. And I'm more than happy to be part of the story. Anyways, always be my maybe the great thing about, and this is why I think I'm in a lot of movies right now is because diversity matters in a way where it's just so much more than a hashtag, you know, and much like you ingest like to queens. And you know, crazy rich Asians. You know, all these all these people doing things that aren't straight white people. They're like, oh, executives are like proving concepts. Okay. This is amazing. We need to really lead into this because he just see numbers and for us like little little Asian kids watching this on a big screen dislike I feel represented. And you know, even like a fifty two year old. Black woman watching two points this like thank God, this has happened on HBO GO what I mean. And so I think for this time now is such a beautiful time to like just really own who you are, whatever that is because that's, that's the only thing that will really translate. If that makes sense. Absolutely. And I think you work like whatever you do whether psycho, stand up acting, you're always trying to tell you truth, and try and tell your story, I think that people audiences really connect to you because of that. And I feel like now going to like your next endeavor. You have like your new podcast coming out today will guys. Yeah. It's called adulting hosted by you Jordan Carlos. And it's alive show. I've done it before it's super fun. And you just talk about the true trials and tribulations of being an adult and make it funny. And also make it relatable and interesting. And people can feel seen in it. And so I wanna know. First of all, why did you guys aside to make this show round this theme? And maybe like what was like one of the first time you really truly realize being adult is hard fucking work, man. God, so many questions girl. Well, I'm a good interview. Well, you know, Jordan, much like us, I has been a very longtime friend in comedy. We were just hanging out after his show, just bitching about all the stuff we had to do. And I had a couple of dates vote that union hall, and I'm just like I was supposed to, and you know, this better than anybody is supposed to write on, like work material. Write new material, put it up, you know, work on my, our my new our and I was like, why don't we just go? Do our thing and talk about adulting because this is crazy. No, he was talking about taking care of two kids and a dog and like living in bay ridge. I'm like, if our from everything else. And between like his life. And then, like, you know, me being a person who's married also doing the road, a lot and trying to find a balance between having like a civilian type of life dinner every night, you know, and I love to cook, and it's just like how do I do that? And still go out and do shows stuff. And we're like we were we realized that we were just like in this group therapy session, but it was just the two of us in, like, why don't we just like apply the stage and we know so many great comedians, and actors in, you know, I guess famous people and you know, everybody can be funny. Everybody could show up and do their job. But, like what happens when we get to sit down and have a different conversation? So really, it was just like a passion project and then, you know, sort of turned into this podcast, which is really fun because he's conversations are too good. Just to like me. No. Have them be lost in like a dank dark room in Brooklyn somewhere. So I'm really proud of it Jordan's amazing to he's like my favorite blurred. So I do wanna switch gears a little bit because we are on the theme of being an adult and wanna get a little deep if that's okay with you. God go do. And so, you know, I've been like on the periphery of like your journey to motherhood, and it is truly, like you're, if you're not friends of Michelle kind of, like sucks for you, because to see her be a mom to her T twins. It is truly so beautiful and awesome. And I'm person who, like hugely does not wanna have kids, and it's just like the most heart warming and loving and tender thing, and we would just have so many talks about, like all the James like all the things you're going to do when you become a mother, and you sort of like had some struggles with it. Yeah. Say the least got to start. So I have a benign tumor might brain might potato. Which makes my body think it's pregnant in so I take medication to shrink the tumor and then also to just have like regular levels of proactive. I don't mean to get like a Brown to Dr a bitch, but just to give you some black round and. So essentially, you know my husband and I have been trying to get pregnant for five years, and we were doing IVF, and I, you know, after four miscarriages in two years, we came to the conclusion that my body is just allergic to my husband sells. But in that time, you know between going to the hospital three times a week to get a sonogram and your blood taken and like the, the needles and this that and the other. I'm still running around doing shows lying tale, lay doing the road trying to be happy clown in that's exhausting. You know, it's already exhausting to travel and you like love what you do in your fine. But if you're hiding something sad and then putting on a brave face, I'm dislike Tina Turner. Hi, darren. Garrett. It's very hard. And so there weren't a lot of people I could talk to which really fucked me up all the way because my whole thing is truth telling, but I'm so glad that you are one of those people especially, you know, it, it was almost out for me to talk to you about that, because you didn't want kids. Because sometimes my friends who have kids didn't mean to be condescending, but it was just like you'll see what happens when you we'll, maybe you lost weight will maybe work as much I don't need to hear that shit. Yuck. But yeah, I remember we went to see Erica do in Coney Island, and I was pregnant at the time. But like not very far along, maybe like seven or eight weeks. And you're like what are we drink? And I was like water, and that is weird for. And it was like a needle on the record, you're like why? Yeah. And I was like, what? And I think it was the first or maybe second time it was the first time I felt comfortable enough to be like. Yeah. And it was like so exciting. We like were had truly the best night ever best my fun. And this also great thing like hang out with friends who don't drink a lot. 'cause it wasn't like peer pressure like oh man. Now. No pino. Griego how are we going to enjoy Tyrone? It wasn't like that at all. You were just like very onboard happy and I'm like dope. So gosh, I don't even know if it was a week or a couple of weeks later at a miscarriage in and you were so great. You just showed up with some flowers, took me, my husband onto dinner on your like, let's get your mind off shit in like I truly never forgot it. But then it felt like every time we talked I had a miscarriage I was like this isn't my thing. You just happen to call during this very week. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. You know, we ended up going with the surrogate, 'cause we had a bunch of embryos in that was also crazy wild. And I realized you know, I give a lot of myself to my job and ninety to keep some thing for me. So I kinda dislike will went oh not win away. But just I just had a very quiet year last year. Yeah I'm not hanging out as much, and I'm not. Come over my house for dinner type of person anymore. But, you know if my friends is still there and still pick up the phone, I call and I know that they're trueblue, which is you. Thank you. That's very sweetie. But stick on the whole issue of fertility stuff is that, like a lot of times when you're going through it like it's so stigmatized, you feel like you can't like talk about it with people, and then for people who aren't going through. It's like you have to wear, how to be a friend and away, and like, really like show up for another person like, really be there and just like listen. And so, I guess you having gone through this and come out the other side with two mazing gorgeous so vehicle lovely twins Hazel and Otis. They're so cute. You going there? Like, what sort of vice would you give to people not only going for issues? But for friends, where you're like these are some things where it's like this really you shown up in this way, I think will. Really benefit the person who's struggling right? I mean, I think this is sort of like a general rule rule for a lot of things because people are going through shit like whether they're depressed or anxious or fertily issues. Right. And so for me if felt like every time I brought it up or people are like, why aren't you like happier? Like felt like people were uncomfortable if I wasn't happy, clown for them. And so that made me just wanna stay home. And if people would just let you grieve in your own way, like I still wanna go out to brunch. I just don't wanna be hey girl. Hey brown. Teddy, let's have another mimosa. You know what I mean? Like let me just do my thing. And when I would talk to people about it, they didn't know what to say because they've never even had this conversation before end like the best thing you could say to somebody was like I just lost a baby, or I really want to have a baby. I don't know how to afford it is. Just say, I'm sorry, I am so sorry. You're going through this if you ever need to talk about it. You just let me know. That's all you have to say, like I'm not trying to get an answer for somebody. I am not trying to ask people for money you know, it's just, just to have a hand to hold or a shoulder to lean on, or, you know, someone to hug like that's all you need. Also self care. A lot of people think self-care selfish, and if that selfish to you then be fucking selfish. Go get a manicure go get a massage go. See a movie, go take time for yourself. Because you're giving yourself so much this thing that you want that it really is like another job. And you know, who isn't tired of having two jobs or tree jobs are for jabs? Yemen book. Like, I remember after maybe the second miscarriage I call my mom, and she was like, were you crying in front of your husband? I'm just like what the fuck does that matter? Jeremy, if I have to take on the kitchen floor in front of my husband to feel better. This was going to happen, you know, so that to a thing, don't even get me started about my mom at the safest therapy tomorrow. Adulting. Speaking of win, go to therapy. I love that. That's really good. And so I wanna just like now that you are mom, and you're about to like, have your I like mothers day. How like how do you feel this sounds so corny? But every day is mother's day for me. I love that. Yeah. I mean every day's Christmas for me every day is special. And I've felt that way. When I first got married, not anymore. I'm so tired of him. I'm just kidding. I love him. Like when you find your people, your clan, your, your core group, you know, I feel like I found my people like my husband's my person. And now my kids are my people, I'm just like, oh, shit. This is dove. You know, I got a crew like I've always wanted to be a mom, since I can remember, so I'm so glad that I'm afforded this opportunity to be with these little souls. I've been waiting so long meet them. I'm just so happy. I could I. So I texted you last night. I don't know if you've got my tax, but this was very I was like, when I saw it, I was like, oh, like freaking out in my apartment. So, okay. So, you know, you know that thing that Sean McCarthy does is like meet me in New York City, and it's just sort of, like interviews like comedians or whatever. Yeah. You did it in twenty thirteen. And there's this question. Yes. Where do you see yourself? Five years from now and your answer was having my own show and a couple of. Interracial children composting in my backyard in Brooklyn. That denies you how you spoke that in Texas since. Yeah. Isn't that crazy thing? I don't compost anymore is too much work. You know, between picking up shit from like me, my dogs, my babies, and now looks like the earth is taking a poo my backyard. I'm just done. But yeah, I mean that's nothing to write. Like if we don't remember anything from this crazy stupid conversation that we just had my bed with some much, fun is this, like, there's nothing wrong with saying what you want out loud. You know speak that shouldn't into fruition. Because when you say out loud, you really just reminding yourself that you want it. You're not even telling people, you're putting it out there for yourself and the universe is hearing you and it's like giving you let clues or it might push you in a certain direction that you about to get you to, like, what you actually need. You know what I mean? So I a big believer in like Saito delivery, Email with France and do like a little sort of these are my intentions do vision board. Yeah. Do all that stuff versus listening. I'm into it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, miss Michelle Bhutto. Yes. Is robertson. So fun. This is I love stadium of bed with you just talking looking at your beautiful curls on my God. And congratulations on everything. Can't wait for more episodes of dull teen. I can't wait for like all of the things year. Amazing. I adore you cheeses. Why don't you give a speech at my wedding? That was so nice. Oh, are you guys going to renew your vow ten years in Italy? I'll be there perfect done. Boom. Bush on now that mean good morning. Okay. Did it? They nothing more note day grads groti. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Prego. Prego. Prego. Joanie how to take it there. And it got real at the end. I know she's got a really really powerful story. So guess what? Guys this episodes over. But you know what you got to do now. Got a little treat for you for you listeners. It's called a trailer. For show called adulting. That's right. Get a little sneak peak right now. Hey, everybody. I'm Michelle Beutel. Jordan Carlos also how and we host adulting. The newest comedy podcast from WNYC studios relearn, how to be adults together. Mcgahn jordan. I have been friends for very long time. And we've been through a lot together like so many bottles of rose as so many rose. Hey, and you left your man bag on a roof? One time I had to give it to you your dog stepped on my foot. God at one thing we've learned is that adulting. If be hard. We're all trying our best to pay tax. Yes. Raissi's kid just that ramp onto the toilet and like wash your hands right after since sometimes you just gotta talk about it. Very serious daughter. We gave her this book radiuses, like leaders of collar, and she goes, I've been meaning to read this. Six years old. I have a punch you our who sixteen in, like she woke up like three in the morning when she wakes up on. No. She has the p. And my husband won't let me get dog diapers. So I just put her in the bathtub. I teen in there, but then she ended up taking a shit. And then we bring up some of our favorite performers to share their stories, folks. Like Phoebe Robinson, Jim Gaskin Daniel Brooks, Spence Claire. And let me tell you something, Honey. They got some good stories like this one from why it's in neck. Daily show. My car had been repossessed. I had lost my apartment, I moved in with a friend of mine of dogs. The first building. Dog is like. When you don't you don't smell it. Good credit. And together, we answer questions from our live audience about some of the major issues of the day. How do you stop watching Netflix? Amount of money. Where requests becomes petty at what point is it weird for your mom to keep making your boyfriend? What is an acceptable amount of money to spend on pillows? Long. If like group therapy as if you were like, in Europe, you know what I mean? Just like better cheaper, right with, like, really good biscuits, maybe stroke waffles. So join us for adult join us, and just like let's grow the fuck up together. You know it's time. Oh my God. Joni that was so dang Q in so funny, I love the shell in Jordan together. They have the best chemistry. So you know what guys go listen adulting? I'm in the first episode Brown titties in the house. Due to of isn't that the name of your comedy show to Brown to our around the hour? It's so fun. Well, see, I think it's time for the credits. Oh my God. You guys. Listen up. I hear the credits. I do this entire show myself. The end. I put it all I do all the research. I read all the questions I do all the early two people in nine hundred rooms who do so much work on this. Credibly disrespectful. I do. The sounds design. Uh-huh. Can you show me some of what you do? What you do you just turn all your computer? Yeah. What, what software using you know, here's the thing. Like I have these are pro tools. I use pro tools obviously industry standards. Yeah. It's like the basics is, it's queue up an episode. Right. And then just click in there. And I'm like, oh minute five I wanna put in like, you know, a Whoopee cushion, so just right, click are you more into like shuffle motor slip mode? You know, I am into thought mode. Okay. You're right. You're right PB do every show. It's really impressive. Isn't it amazing that put together eleven episodes all by myself? It's incredible. It's so amazing. Just kidding. You guys it's a whole damn team. Let's be cute into the credits together. Are we gonna try to do it at the same time? Yes. My gut, okay, okay. Okay mechanic, three. One two, three. The so many guys team includes Ameri, balder Nado, solid, car off, polish Shuman, Joep, Lord keys. I Jones nor was was and what feeding Robinson our theme song was written by why did and. Butter white dunes. Content of me Michelle on Twitter at WNYC studios. You can also find me her, and busy Graham, Queen beads, and don't forget, I'm on the road with my stand. Don't want to see me, I r l. To feeding rubs dot com. Fun growing yourself. Now fees, and don't forget to subscribe to adulting. Yeah. I f- Assode up now. Yes. And also, you guys Searcy come see me in Fort Worth, Texas. June four few the eighth it'll be really fun. I, I. Gotta say that was actually pretty good. I felt like it was like chanting and yoga did feel like but by the end I was like, oh, damn cutic-. Yeah.

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Phoebe and Trevor Noah DJ Your Next Party!

Sooo Many White Guys

47:46 min | 1 year ago

Phoebe and Trevor Noah DJ Your Next Party!

"So many white guys supported by wits dot com platform for creating your all professional website. We all need to good partner to help get us off the ground like that Minna, Robin boast and Clark lake Derian IBS with quits you could start from scratch or customize template love LA build your personal website or free. And when you're ready to go premium go to wigs dot com slash quite guys to get ten percent off. That's w I x dot com slash W. H I T G fly. Listener supported w in Wiessee studios. White. White guys. So. How much? Over the place got. Everyone. Welcome to this. Most fabulous episode of so many guys from WNYC shitty. I'm here in the studio with. Johny Mitch Joni Mitch? Shea do that. Trying to add like a morning DJ. That's your morning DJ, Joni Mitch. Going to be like Erin his studio. Morning. Oh, man. Well, I guess I was cut out for public radio. Then. Try again now that you know, jomie. I'll say that's an improvement. Okay. Most improved. Have you ever been on like a terrible morning radio show? No. But I don't do a lot of morning radio. I'm sure when I do my stand up tour and to do some morning radio than on be like, can I just cancel this date? There's just like a belch sound. Yeah. Randomly cuts in in the middle of your. Robinson? Like, okay, great. Well, I wanna talk about Jesse small up. But then you said that so we won't. My boyfriend was a touring musician, and he'd have to warning appearances all the time on like these random mid western morning shows. And he said they were just terrible. What does he play the bass? Oh, was it like jazz bass like boom, boom. No. It's like. It's like flea. He's just like flee. Lease incredible though, he's so good so good. It's just like a little while man. Yeah. And the guy who's a drummer what's his name? Looks like we'll Farrell. Yeah. What's his name? Look it up Chad Smith. Oh, chad. Smith heat is quite a name. I saw him. Yes. He was bothering with Jessica. And I was like when Chad is playing drums on like Diaw. He's like. Bro. Holding a candle for Chad. I like me visions. I really do. I make off his to play. He used to be a drummer and like a scream metal band. What? Yeah. I have like a lip piercing. Yeah. Like a shaggy like Bieber haircut. I was like I would have not dated you still that British bake off contains multitude. Every time you tell me something about him. I'm like what there's always a new like an entirely new dimension. British bake off. He won't play any of his music for me because he was like we were so bad. I knew we weren't gonna make it like, oh, he's like, it's fine. I've moved on. But yet now he just plays guitar guitar for his birthday. And so he'll just like, you know, here's AAC picking up some like UT songs. These songs are all easy. And I was like fuck yourself don't drag my I love like that. When he's playing are you ever like, hey, British bake off? Why don't you put these glasses line? And maybe a hat. 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A friend of mine was trying to learn English, and they were listening to to queens and may ask what is soc needs. And I had to be like that's not real don't worry. Excuse me. That is all the way real. Soc Meads soc me. It's for social media. Hung stands for hungry tied ties stands for tired soups, Monagas stands for super monogamous presentation for presentation relation relationship. Amen phoebe. The point is you guys. I'm very excited about trapped trav- now that you've said, it's cute. It's cute. I'm so excited to have him on the show because he is. I mean, just such a part of pop culture. And I think you know, we all know him as the host of the daily show. Which is really cool. He's been doing that for what two years now three years three and a half. Yeah. So have you ever? Did you ever do stand up together? Anything you never know before we didn't. Because he was already a big deal by the time. He got to the states like remember? When I first heard about him was when he had his one man show are whether you like, you know, late night sets. But do you remember the first time? No, no came into your life. No, no. I mean, the whole I just remember the build up being like who's gonna replace John store. I would say that was like a culture moment was like who's going to be next. And I actually wasn't familiar with Trevor Noah out all before he started doing it. But he was a great choice. He's amazing. He's so funny. He is also good to the podcast base offend little threatened. But you know, what I'm going to support Trump tra- there's room for everyone feed. He's a sweet tree. He is a necessary voice. He has a new podcast coming out called a second thought. The Trevor Noah podcast on luminary. Co heat bright baby he had luminated. That was nice. I mean, you know. Yeah. He's also the author of this amazing memoirs cub born a crime in basically, it's about how under apartheid. It was. Illegal for black people and white people to have sex and have kids Trevor has a black mom and white dad, and so basically growing up in South Africa. He was considered evidence of this like quote, unquote crime. It's a really really amazing bug A. It's a really good book. Yeah. Bees a New York Times bestseller and freaking see he's turned into a movie, and guess is going to play as mama who's gonna play his, mama. Lupi P TV's just saying I'm faves who is it lupita. There you go. I know. I'm just super impressed by him. And so excited about the interview. Yeah. He is he's come a long way. And he is just sort of making such a wonderful space in you know, comedy and everything like his correspondence on the daily show or like soda verse women men people ethnicities, so it's really cool. He's also interviewed you. Right. Yes. I've been on his show twice. Yes. Those like super fun. But I also just want to go back to the Lupi. Yeah. I will say when she was on the HBO show, two cleans and called her Lupi. She did not like it. Phoebe was like can I call you p p and lupita on yoga was like, no, absolutely not. Absolutely not. And then threw shade at you. And just entire time for help out you. You know, we're here braiding skills. Lupita you argue bomb at that. Let's call action lupita. All right. Let's see if she is good at stuff that I'm good at like web, TV flying laundry. I I can watch eight hours of real housewives of Alanta enter row and not need a bathroom break. I'm so inspired right now. I mean, so I'm just saying, yes. Borna crime, also inspirational. But so am I. Way to bring that all together. Hello. How are you from testing? This is my podcast voice. I mean, I think you're nailing dream is always been to the podcast Boyce. Hey, everybody and welcome to the podcast. My name is Trevor and say, we're talking about something really interesting. I'm good. Thank you so much for doing so many white guys. I know you are in the thick of it today at the daily show. So I appreciate you taking time out. I last saw you in LA at the Vanity Fair Oscar after party, but you totally killed at the Oscars. Maybe the hearing, but his story and his appeal are universal. I notice personally because of all the people who constantly come up to me and say what kind of forever? Everybody in the world, my African friends. What kinda for in France had people say on the wall? You say what thou forever? No, even backstage. Mel Gibson came up to me like we'll defy off to that. But the what kinda part was nice. Growing up as a young boy in what conduct. I would see China flying over village. And even remind me of a great costs a freeze up a little house talk, which means in times like these. We are stronger when we fight together. Then when we tried to fights pots, this is best picture nominee. Yeah. Yeah. You got to do like a funny bit on the Oscars sort of kind of went viral. Do you want to talk about how you came up with? That was obviously Ostra present Black Panther within nomination for best film. And and so I was like, well, what am I going to do? And I was like, well, I'll make a joke. And I thought you know, to be cool as to try and make a joke specifically for the people at home that would only be funny if you're at home, and you're connected to the internet and did you? Yeah. Just trying to figure out different ways to tell a joke to people because a lot of the time it feels like jokes at the award shows just for the award show people in at home. You're just like, oh must be nice. Yeah. So. Yeah. So I was like, well, what could I do? Then I was like we if I say something Hossa, you know, the language they speak in black pound. But then just make something else up. And then the the, you know, the people in the audience where like, oh, that's great. And then the people at home who are listening some people suspected and South Africans. Definitely like that's not what he said. Now, I bring it up because I think a great things about you. Is you play a lot with language and identity, and we're leaving in time. We're like more people are, you know, by racial, multi, racial, or at least a dentist buying that way openly about it. And you know, tons of people are multiple languages, and I think what is good about that you do as you use it through comedy, which I think is a great way to connect people. Even if they don't necessarily agree with you, or they haven't thought about something that you have you sort of bring them into your side a little bit. Yeah. And I think they least see your humanity. Whether or not if if their minds aren't changing can't go, I don't get Trevor they can go I may not agree with him. But I understand where he's coming from. So you that's always been something that sort of been percolating around your comedy. Yeah. You know, I've always found that if you can try and process information. With the understanding that most people think that they're right from their points of view, then I find it becomes a lot easier for you to make a joke. That may connect with somebody. You don't agree with all made, you know, hits on a Deepa truth. And so what I love about language is first of all it makes you think differently. Like, I don't think anybody has the exact same personality in every single language if they speak multiple languages also find that speaking another language humbles meet because I'm far from fluent, you know, so every other language, I speak other than English. As me humbling myself, I have to go back to not understanding words, I have to go back to being just imperfect. I have to have to practice, and I and I stumble, and I am not as good as I'd like to be an I I think that's a that's a really valuable idea to have as a human being, you know, you don't exist in any superior space. When you learn the language is yours at the mercy. Of the of the native speakers. And so what I love about playing with language and accents and people in ideas is just thinking of the world not just told through, you know, one storytellers lens, but through the different prisons that everybody see the world through. And I I enjoy that. Because I I realized for a long time. I think people people always think that ace story is these story, but you don't realize that everyone can tell a story about these story from their point of view changes completely depending on who you speak to. Yeah. Sort of talk about your your journey into comedy. Because I think it's pretty fascinating. Like, you did a soap opera, which what was that? Like, did you have fun? And how did you get a soap opera? So that was that was all chance, I guess that's life. You know? I. I was taking a gap year when I guess gap year was imposed on me I finished high school and I wanted to go to university we couldn't afford it. And my mom made me a deal. She said, listen, I'll do whatever I need to do to pay for school. But I need you to be invested. So if you can get off the money, I'll pay the other half. I was like okay that's fan. I'll I'll get a job. And I'll find a way and bouncing around looking for job one day. My cousin said to me. Hey, I've started this new thing where I'm an extra. And I said, what do you mean? He said, well, I'm a background extra. What I do is. I goes TV shows. And I stand in the background house. Like, okay. We'll does it pay. And he's like, yeah. Pays a hundred bucks a day, and you get free food. And I was like what sounds like the sweetest deal. Everybody's not doing this. Why is anybody in an office when you can just stand in the background and then get free food? And so I said I want to join he said, all right? Well, here's my agency. And I went to join them at this agency. And you know, I was now what they referred to as a background teast. And my first gig. I was meant to go and be a background extra at a soap opera, and I got to the TV studios, and I walked in and we signing in and then a woman comes over. And she said skews me are you here for the for the soap opera, and I was like, Yep. She's like all right, come this way. And she took me over to little room and I walked into the room, and they were like seven guys who look exactly like me, but just slightly different. And I was like, well, this is this is weird. I wonder what this is. And I didn't realize that I had just stepped into a costing because this woman had assumed that I was coming for the costing because I fit the description of the character that day, right? And so instead of going to the to the the background extras area. I went into a costing and they gave me a script. And I was like man script like I'm in the background these guys take it. So seriously, I got the script talk in the background. And so I learned the script and I got cold in and they rolled the camera. And they'd like, you ready, and I did the script. And I was like man these people are really serious about about background extra. A week later. And it was my my extras agent, and she was furious. She was like did you go to a costing what she's like you never meant to go to costing you stand in the background. How day you? I was like what are you talking about? She's like they want to hire you for this pot. But you're not an actor. You your background extra? So you you're fired from this agency fired me from the agency as a background extra. But I had the job. Now the job, right? Right. I guess I'll go in go and act, and then I showed up. I'd no clue what was going on none whatsoever. And I just showed up where they told me to show up, and I had a coal sheets. And then I did the lines, and I did it all and I got paid and from that I got a TV agent, and I guess that changed my life forever. Because then I, you know, I started presenting TV shows I started acting, but I completely fell into it. I had no clue what this world was about. And then I couldn't be a background extra anymore because they don't allow you to do that. Once you've been in front of the camera. That was my dream dashed at love, you're like, oh, can I still do background just a little bit sometimes in their life? I love it so much. I love doing like random things in movies. Yeah. Fun world. Like, I just wanna be the voice like I would like to be in a crowd, you know, like in in like gladiator, I just want to be in the crowd cheering kid. Dead. Bring out the lawyer. I just wanna be those guys feel like they have more fun than anybody. It's just like, you know, there's no there's no messing up your lines to be angry screaming in the background. You don't want to. I want to be in a cafe when JAMES BOND comes speeding buying in his Aston Martin as wanna be the guy who's sitting there having coffee and the car comes speeding by the Niger have to jump out of the week. That. I mean, I think you. Background acting. That's what I wanted. That would be the amazing category. So. Yeah. Hosting dating shows and Dan shows and South Africa in the you were also doing stand up around this time to correct, right, right? Yeah. Okay. So how did you get into stand up? I don't think we've ever really talked about. How you got into stand up stand up with phantom? Again, something just fell into I feel like that's that's the story of my life. I was living with my cousin and a best friend at the time. We had like a house that we rented we'll lived separately. First. And then I guess we watched a lot of onto Rosh, and we like this is the dream. We're gonna live together in a house and throw parties all the time. And while we're living there one day, my friend Nico said to me Heyman. We're gonna go to a comedy show. Do you wanna come house like a comedy show? What what do you mean? Like, what's like a stand up comedy show? And we didn't really have many of those in South Africa at that time. So I was like what have all come come along? And I went and it was a random show in a like in a room. You know, like, it's usually a restaurant and guys at set up like a little makeshift stage in the corner, and they were telling jokes and on that night, the jokes were not going. Well, and my cousin who was sitting with us. He was ready drunk, and he started like heckling, and so did my friend Nico, and they were like this is boring. Boo, you know, and the host of the show came down, and he was friends with them. But but he was still like angry and he's come on guys. You killing us here, man. You know, hard working, you know, how do work does not easy and my cousin was like. Yeah. But you guys are horrible. And he's like, oh, man. You think it's easy? Why don't you come on stage? And it's for my cousin was like, well, I'm not funny. But my my my friend over here. Trevor is he's a traffic tell jokes. And I was like man, what are you doing? I'm so, but don't involve me. And and the host was like, yeah. Why don't you get on stage? If you think it's so easy. And I don't think it's easy my friends of drunk. I'm sorry. And he was like, no, no, why don't you chicken? And I was like, oh man, the whole chicken thing. And so then just it was just literally like just bravado and trying to defend Ana, and then I got on stage. And I didn't know what to do. I didn't know where to go. And my cousin was just like tell the story about the TV though, broken TV. And then I told the audience a story about like when I went to get my TV fixed, and you know, and it was like at some Nigerian shop, and it was just it was just a story audience killed themselves. And I told another story and let work as well. And then. Finally, I got a stage and the host of the show was really nice to me. He was like, hey, man. You should you should do this. He's like if you want help that will help you. But you should definitely do this. And he gave me a few contacts, and I've been doing that ever since. Yeah. And what's so cool is like you do like typical like setup punchline jokes. But then you also tell like these long stories, I think about whenever I watched like your stand up specials like it's really you're like a master storyteller. And so you've got like a lot of fans along the way. And I I read somewhere that when John Stewart I contact you about the daily show, you actually turned him down, which is hilarious because for a while when I was doing stand up Baba's so desperately trying to get on the daily show, and I was horrible my on this. And and so you you told me we're interested in coming to New York to me about the show. So why did you turn them down at first? And then what eventually clicking your head where you're like. All right. Maybe I should give this a try. No, I turned him down not knowing firstly how big the daily show was and also because I had just started touring in the UK. And so in order to come and join the daily show back, then I would have had to give up my touring in the United Kingdom and in Australia. And I was like, no, I just started growing fans. I've just started, you know, building support in these other countries, and I don't take that for granted at all if people buying tickets to come and see you like, that's as you know, better than anyone. That's not a it's not something you should have take lightly. I I respect every single fan that comes out and suppose me at a show, and I don't care who you are where you come from. If you've paid for a ticket, and you're sitting in my show, I will make sure that I give you the best possible comedy experienced that. I can. And so for me, you know, yes. The low of going to be on American TV. But I was like this is what I've worked my tie. Life will be able to do stand up comedy anywhere in the world. And so, you know, I was like, yes. Thank you. John Stewart for this offer. But I I'm gonna tell these people jokes, and and he was shocked, but he understood at the same time, you know, he was like, hey, man. I mean, I I didn't think you'd turn me down. But I get it. He said, well, let's let's speak another time when you're not telling jokes. I was like, okay. Well, you know, maybe I'll hear from you. Maybe I won't. And I genuinely thought that was the end of the conversation, and then a year later, we we linked up again because I came to New York to do my shows. And then, you know, he's people reached out like, hey, Johnston wants you to come by do you wanna pop into the show, and I was like all right cool. So I popped in you know, when we had we had a great conversation. And you know, John is like a really funny guy. Like people forget how funny John Stewart is like love, people know him full, his gravitas and his great insights into American politics and everything that goes on in the news, but he's also one of the funniest silliest human beings you'll ever come across in your life. And so. We hit it off two guys from different parts of the globe. You know with different upbringings sharing similar opinions on what was happening in the world today. And that was really fun and interesting and John was like, hey, we should do this on TV. Like, yeah. Why not let's do it. And that's literally how again that story it. So key. It's so great. I want to talk about a clip that I I really loved just as a quick background for people who aren't aware between taping segments on the daily show, like you'll take questions from the audience, which I think is always so brilliant and fun, and you answer this audience members question about reparations, which I feel like, you know, every few years, the reparations talk sort of reemerges, and now it's kind of more prevalent because it seems like every sort of democratic nominee is like, yeah, I'm pro reparations, which is sort of like not that I'm distrustful of it. But I might just feel sort of all of you now are on board with this. It feels a little I'm not sure about that. But I think what's great is that you were able to sort of give an overview 'cause I still feel like there are some non African American people in this country who don't. Why understand like the concept behind reparations, and they sort of seed as a handout, so can you sort of talk about how you answer audience members question, and sort of why you think people still aren't getting reparations and what it's intended for. Why think to understand people's resistance to the idea you have to go back to how the idea has been branded, you know? I understand why most people in America against especially white people. You know, when they when they've done the polling. I can see why because many people go like, I don't understand. What do you mean? Reparations who are we gonna pay? Do I pay you know, because a lot of politicians phrase it through go like you're going to have to pay black people. What have no that's not how anything works. You know, when it comes to government, and and and paying people I mean when when America paid Japanese people in internment camps, and their families that didn't come from average Americans pockets. You know that you have governments and you have a budget for a reason. You know, when the government have the GI Bill when people came back from fighting wars, and they and they helped American veterans pay for their schools in the houses, etc. That that didn't come from people's Puckett's. That's why you pay taxes, and that's why budgets allocated, and I I think the logic conversation around reparations may be has gone beyond the point of, you know, a cousin a meal, I think the conversation people don't seem to understand is that black people in America have been in a position where repeatedly they have been laws and measures that have held them black a held them back skews the fridge that. But yeah. Intentionally you know, like, it's not like a mistake these laws designed so you have slavery. And then you have Jim crow, and you have red lining, and you have you have all of these laws that are specifically designed to hold black people back, and when you look at that knock-on effect, if you know anything about not just generating, but building wealth, you'll know that wealth is a generational journey that you on you'll know that, you know, having a parent that goes to college will increase the likelihood that your child will go to college. And then increases the likelihood that that end owning a house means that you have money that you can you can use you've got collateral that you can take out loans on those loans could enable your family to do things. And and so if your family was prevented from owning land owning a house because of laws that were racist in the country, then you are prevented from borrowing. And if you prevent it from borrowing you have limits to how much you can grow your net worth. You can't start a business the way of the people can and if you look at American history, honestly, you're. Realize that? Yes, slavery was the most grievous case of how the United States treated black people. But it was by no means the final case of where that happened people. Make it seem like slavery ended and then Barack Obama president and everything is fine. Yeah. But I, but I think you know, reparations should be a larger conversation around how you make rights what America as a country did wrong. And this is not an indictment of individuals. You know, I I'm always I'm always sad. When I see, you know, whether it's Fox News or any of them make it seem like they're coming for you man at home. They gonna want you to pay devan for what your great grandfather did. And it's like, no it's not about that. It's about a country. And I I don't think there's anything crazy in that in many ways, you think about it in life. It's like damages, and so I think at least having an honest conversation about that is is something that Americans need to do. But I agree with you. I think it's interesting that you know, a lot of. The democratic nominees are jumping on board the conversation. But it seems like there are a lot of platitudes that people use when speaking about it. It's it's a popular topic. But I don't think it's as easy as just saying. Yeah, reparation that's do it. Yeah. I want to switch gears because there's another video online. You went back to South Africa recently, and you were visiting your grandma and used to live with her often as a child and key talk about sort of that visit and what it was like to bring cameras in there. And just film your action with your grandma was really interesting because it came it came to be a radio Ganic way, I was going back through South Africa for the global citizen festival and those going to visit family, obviously, I was going to visit my grand and while I was down there. I said to the team guys why don't we want? We film something. I mean, we could just put some stuff together. I don't know what it will be the road ice drive on pretty much my entire young life because of apartheid black people live in certain areas, and then why people live in other areas, but white people like how the black people cook. So they need them some that houses. So there were roads that connected the areas and. And this is one of those roads. You know, one of my friends asked me said, well where you going? So I'm gonna go. Visit my grand he said, do you think she'd let us come with you? And I was like, I don't know. And I asked my grant said, hey, grand, do you mind? If you know, I just hang out with you. And and record this and my grandma was like, yeah. I don't care if she doesn't watch TV. She. She doesn't really keep up with what I do. She knows that. I do something. But I mean, like a grandson. No, she doesn't really okay. Yeah. No, she she really doesn't which is fun. You know, she's completely sincere. Sarcasm is not a tool that she embraces her world all so, you know, it's it's it's it. It was wonderful just sitting down with her. And you know, and I'm as cheeky as voiced been with her. And she is as funny as she's always been she's a shop as as as she was, you know, thirty years ago, and now she's well into her nineties and still and still doing her thing was my contribution. How was was I fighting upper Tate. Not knowing. Funny. Current Huckabee fighter. I told them that. I was not rococo. I wasn't. When you me here. She. Why does it give you a tough time? Go do you want to play the street, and I knew the flights of take me? So if I was playing the street, the police, whatever insted me. You never knew what you're what. Meanwhile. So they thought I was whites saying you white and then. The kids ran away from me. But why? They see a white man in case. So for them for him. This was whites. Wow. I feel so special now. Do you know there was a time that was whites? I appreciate it. Just sitting down with somebody to give me some perspective. And I give everyone perspective here. You were talking to a black woman who lived in South Africa during the most heinous pots of of of our history, you know, talking about apartheid and talking about what it was like to be oppressed and providing context, and so that was really nice just hanging out with her learning things. I mean, I learned things about her life that I didn't know about because you know, every conversation is an opportunity to learn something new about somebody in your life. And and I'm lucky that my grand spent the time to do that with me. Can you share something that you learned about her? Well, one of the things I learned that was I mean, it was heroin was like that people. They would take people away from their homes, and you'd be forced to work in, you know, like, I guess like labor foams, you know, when you'd be digging for potatoes, you know, oftentimes using bad hands. And and if someone died from exhaustion, everyone else would just have to bury them where they worked and then just carry on farming these potatoes. And I was just like how how is that real life? Yeah. You know, you know, just telling me stories about how they would come home from work some days, and you know, that get off at the train station. And then the whole of of the township where where we grew up which is covered in teargas her describing the pungency of that smell in the end, just not even knowing what it was the first time. And I mean, those those are really gripping images that she you know, that she left me with and so yeah, that was that was really powerful for me. Yeah. So I want to switch to your book quickly just because you mentioned apartheid. And and your book born on crime, you say that apartheid was perfect racism. That's just a sentence that really struck me. And so I I wanna talk about why you say that. And also, you know coming from that perspective. Give and sort of looking at the United States, you sort of have the distance of like not growing up here. So can you sort of talk about sort of like how you view the racial climate and the states versus part time. What's interesting? The reason I called it. Perfect racism is because what South Africans went through under the apartheid government was a system of laws that that that not only restricted people's movements and freedoms based on the color of their skin, but also define their lives. And it was so meticulous that it went into not just black and white but black white Indian Chinese and colored and Japanese in every single group was broken down and colored as much as that word jumps out to Americans is is a normal word in South Africa that refers to people who share my skin complexion funny enough. You know, it's people who originally with the descendants of parents who are black and white so mixed in some way. And over time in South Africa because of the laws those people became their own race. And so you can imagine this was a world way. Like if you go to America, they just they just had the one drop policy in America. And that's because in America, you know, you had a different dynamic. I think in terms of the majority I the minority so white people in America at the time had no reason to worry about how black person is black was black and you just moved on in South Africa. Because it was the minority oppressing the majority you had a different conversation. And that was how do you prevent them from becoming, you know, an insane number that we can't keep up with. And so what they did was they said if a black person has sex the white person they have a baby then this baby's neither black no whites and that baby has its own race. And that became an interesting way to break people down into smaller and smaller groups, even black people were separated by their tribal. Designate. League nation. And so that's you know, that's that's really a precise way to enact racism, which in itself is a ludicrous idea. But they really did a good job of what they were trying to do. And so you know, when you look in America, America's different. But it's it's it's familiar, and I think it's familiar because the architect of apartheid used American racism as a framework for apartheid. They looked at what worked in America. And what they did was. They said how do we apply that to our country? And so they were very meticulous. They looked at the Netherlands. They looked at America. They looked at Austria. And they said how do we create the best possible racism using what has worked in these countries? And looking at how they failed to be completely racist in this. And that's how we ended up with the world that we did. So in your book, and basically your life growing up in South Africa. There were a lot of like, you know, intense moments where you know, for instance, we went to grandmother's house, you couldn't really go outside because. You were technically evidence of a crime. But over some of your lighter like maybe favor moments from growing up as a kid. Oh, those will all my favorite moments over people don't realize I always tell people I I don't I don't think of myself as someone who suffered through apartheid not at all my family. Did I was a little kid having a good time? You know, I didn't know that. I couldn't go outside because of the police I thought that I was just inside because my grand just picked me as her favorite grandchild. And she didn't want me to go outside that was it. You know, I stayed indoors. And I enter tained myself and sometimes I'll dig a hole under the gates and sneak out, and then my grandmother would come into the streets panicking trying to find me. There was only game to me the ano. And that's you know, that's a testament to the power of child's mind, and how you can define a person's reality. Just based on how you treat them in. How you treat the wool that they live in. I had no clue I had so much fun as a kid. I don't I don't look back and think to myself water tough time, I. Live through. Yeah. Oh, Phoebe the tough time pot heights. No, no. It's just like, yo, man. I was a kid doing kid things. Breaking things stealing stuff, you know, just being Northey like living my life. I I was blissfully unaware of the oppressive regime that I lived on the because in my head the only oppressive regime was my mom. So that's what I was dealing with. Yeah. I I really didn't have any stress when it came to that. I know I never running out of time here. But I want to ask you a question. I think that is very very important. So I have been interested in sort of trying to learn how to DJ and read that you were also a DJ back in the day. And I wanna I wanna know what your go-to set list when you are spend the ones, and what was my go-to list. I mean, it's tough because most of the house songs that I played didn't have real names. They will call. We just made up the news. Yeah. 'cause they was like weird arbitrary names. Like, I remember like one of the most popular songs that we played was cold mindless minorities in terms of thought like what what is that? Yeah. That's not catchy. Yeah. No catch you at all. And so and literally when I was a DJ people would come up to me like my little DJ, stand whatever. And they wouldn't even they wouldn't know the name of this. They'd be like, hey, can you play that song the one? That's doable. Bulbul bulbul. All right. I'll play that song. No one. And so that settlers is hard. But when it comes to b and hip hop. Let me think Mantell Jordan. We do. One twelve was phenomenal. I love you. Featuring cream cream was flames. Jagged edge had some my songs that you can speed up and really have fun with red men was great admitted night at always play. Let's get dirty at midnight. That was ready for. Before you get outta here. What what's next for you? Traff. Can I call you that? You can. What's next? His next. I mean, you know, right now, I focus on the daily show. I give that my heart and soul. I I am. So appreciative for having this platform. It's beautiful space to be and I work with amazing people every day. I get to laugh literally from the morning until I do the show at night. I've got my Rena tour, which is exciting because I mean, you know, to be touring stand up comedy in America in arenas again that I didn't even dream. I didn't think that was possible. You know, so to be in some of the rooms that have been played by you know, the greats this really blessing. So I'm on the road almost every single weekend, you know, doing the loud and clear arena tour and then. Yeah. Then, you know, going to going to start little pot cost just to chill out hang out like sort of outside of the news cycle. You know, hang out with friends. You know, that's that's gonna be kicking off on luminary. It's cold on second thought. And. Yeah, just you know, I just I like to enjoy anything. Where I can expand my brain have fun with people have conversations and enjoy every every blessing that I've been afforded in life. You know, because that's what I really think everyday is is a blessing that I was never promised. That's so wonderful. I love that. And I just wanna shout that Borna crime is being turned into a movie. It's very exciting. That's true. Yes. Been turned into movie just got a released as in the children's edition, which is which is also cool. Young young rita's addition, which is just really exciting as well. I can't keep killing it, man. Thank you for having me. Of course. My pleasure. Thinking, molly. This is that part of the phone call where you don't know how to end it. How do you? Why just was like going? You know, when you're lying on the bed, and you had a great conversation with someone like all, right? Well, I guess so. Guess so. Up to this week. Trip. Thank you so much. You're awesome. I appreciate thanks so much for having me. I appreciate you. So cool. He said, yeah. I wish we could have more time. I know I talked to him for hours, his such a smooth voice. Yes. The cadence of. Yeah. I knife. Yeah. Feels like at gravity blanket. I guess it's time for the credits. Girlfriends. This so many white guys. My shirt. Includes Amri bald Nado, Janet Salvatore polish human, Joe, Lord, Keegan's them. I Joan nor Woz. Devi? Lynn Robinson, also known as Michelle Obama's cuts. Trying to spread that rumor because we're both Robinson me to name it provin. There's only two so you must be related. Our theme song was written by a white, dude. And sung by a bunch of other white dudes? You can find some hot content of me in Trevor on Twitter. Did. Yes, you can also follow me on to grab at Queen fades diffuse still get enough of me on the road with my stand up tour Phoebe Robinson dot com. Find out where I'm going and go kick yourself tickets for real uncommon to you by babies. This is Ben BBC one. You have a great German.

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