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The Herd-Saturday Special-Phil Steele and Chris Mannix

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The Herd-Saturday Special-Phil Steele and Chris Mannix

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Pirate Body couple of good guests on our Saturday podcast today Chris Mannix, join us later the truth about what's happening in the bubble in NBA land in Orlando. But I somebody we couldn't bring on very regularly for years because he was at another place, and now he's a free agent, our friend Phil Steele Phil, Steele Dot Com. He writes the College Football Preview Twenty, two straight years the most accurate College Football Bible there is. A. By the way, it's out now three hundred, fifty full colored pages, stats, trends, angles, returning starters, forecasts only nineteen ninety, nine, forty guy got I think one or two cents to my house I'm gobbling it up and I'll keep an all season long and go back to it. So fell, let's start with this. One of the things I've always looked at it's always been something is somebody that is a football gambler. In College? Week to week I. Think it's a hard sport to bet but I, do like futures give me a couple of teams fill. That through your research, you feel are better than even the wise guys in Vegas that you think could really be surprise teams. Let me give you a couple of them Colin, and I'll start with Miami of Florida, you know Miami's coming off a six win season. Last year wasn't very good at the quarterback position and they got an instant upgrade. They're adding dear king from Houston your king at thirty six touchdowns passing fourteen touchdowns running two years ago at Houston despite missing two games I love this guy and I think he gives them an instant upgrade there, and then you look at them defensively Gregory. So as a Richard Freshman at fifteen and a half sacks last year, he's Ad- they added in Quincy Rochet defensive end from temple an all American conference defensive player. Of. The year thirteen and a half sacks those yearbook in defensive ends. Miami's got as well as the rest of the defense basically coming back this a loaded Miami team the numbers extremely low on them. I like Miami the top their total, and the second one would be Texas out man talking to coach Jimbo. Fisher last year two things really stuck out to make Allen first of all the lack of seniors on the squad and they only had four or five seniors on the entire team and the second was their schedule. They took on number one ranked Clemson number one ranked Alabama number one ranked lsu number four, Georgia number eight offer and. Talking to coach Fisher and I said coach, I'm GonNa put you on my national cover next year. Well, next year is here the schedules a lot lighter and as opposed to play in three number one teams, they may only play two top ten teams and they've got seventeen returning starters including Kalamata qb. So there are loaded team and they're going to be a much different team this year but. I think a lot of folks look at that five losses from last year and peg them there I think that they're going to be Alabama's prime contender in the West. Okay. So the Miami Hurricanes and the aggies from Texas am from the very perceptive Phil. Steele now give me a couple of teams that maybe the public will bet the over the public sees them, but you have real questions. I would have to start maybe with Navy I'm not sure what the the preseason totalism Navy, but they lose a pretty could quarterback this year and remember just two years ago they coming off a three win season last year they had a double digit win season Malcolm Perry was the difference and Malcolm periods gone this year they're going to have to. Replace him I think that's going to be a little tough for them this year and then also Air Force air forces another team coming off an eleven win season talking to coach Calhoun he's very concerned about the experience level on this your squad and their quarterback. Donald. Hammond. Is probably not gonNA play this year. So you had all that up I think. Air Force may be poised to take a step back and then probably my poster boy for the this year. Colin and its new head coach inexperienced team I think those those teams are going to struggle this year Michigan State's coming off three straight bowl games. Now, they've got a brand new head coach you didn't get signed until February. Remember they fiasco they. Went through after Dantonio step down late, and then Mel Tucker comes in did not have a single spring practice only has ten returning starters coming back this year. So it's an inexperienced team. No spring practice didn't even signed the Freshman Class hasn't even see these kids on the field I think Michigan State takes a step back has a losing year this year. What do we make right now this morning. Of the Michigan Football Program. Now, harbaugh's highly polarizing Phil Phil Steele joining us I have supported him saying listen outside at Clemson and Bama who the hell is beating Ohio. State So I have supported him and I do think the program is significantly. Better today than the last year Brady Hoke, where do you hold them in regard this year and the program overall Yeah this year I think they're going to take a little step back I don't know if they're capable of contending with Ohio state. I really thought their window last year was last year calendar window to win the big ten. Got Him at home. There's a lot of question marks with Ohio state heading into the air with the new head coach. You thought if Michigan's ever going to beat Ohio state, it's going to be this year. They didn't get it on this year they only. have eleven returning starters coming back and they ranked number one, hundred, thirty am I experienced jarred now there are strings I like the defense defensive line I read number nine in the country they've got good special teams. quarterback plays a question coming in with Dylan McCaffrey's built and taken over for Patterson but I like the running backs with Haskins Chardonnay and actually go five deeper running back this year, which is an improvement over last year four offense alignment left for the NFL though. Inexperienced I think hurts them this year I think the top two teams in east or a how state and Penn state I believe these comes down to that I'm GONNA put Michigan a little bit of a distant third there. Yeah. And Patterson could move around. He reminded me of a poor man's Johnny Manziel and between his loss of mobility and the offensive line I to think Michigan takes a brief step back a fascinating program to me is Texas. I liked. Tom. Herman He is can be outspoken again, he can be polarizing he can be a little I would say precious or finicky with the media. Doesn't. He doesn't build a lot of allies outside of Texas for him. I really like Sam L. Anger. I. Think. There's a Tibo quality to him. But I gotTa tell you feel it feels like to me and I would support him for you because I think it took Davos Sweeney years to win I'd give it another three years at Texas. I've always talk tougher job than people think it's got a lot of heavy handed boosters and regions. But do you believe this this team this year? Okay let's say they don't beat Oklahoma could they win another nine or ten eight nine beyond that? I like this Texas team this year. In fact, I'll take this year's Texas team about a touchdown favorite over last year's. Remember remember last year Texas only had eight returning starters coming back and of the three returning starters they had on defense or secondary wiped out heading into the Oklahoma Game, they were down like four DB's, which is not the situation be and yet they stood toe to toe with Oklahoma only lost that game by a touchdown they been within the touchdown, the last six regular season games against the sooners, and now they have sixteen returning starters, all those injuries they had the secondary last year give them depth in the secondary. Now, there are a lot of the guys started last year that didn't weren't supposed to start that gives them. A lot of depth nine returning starters they're seven on offense I and I like Salinger he's a tough guy. The team is completely behind him. He can hurt your running and passing the running back is deep I like this year's Texas team would be as mentioned that a touchdown favorite over last year's Texas team support for the heard brought to you by manscaping they offer the best in men's below the belt grooming precision engineered tools for your family jewels they obsess over their technology developments to provide you the best tools for your grooming experience man scraped has redesigned the electric trimmer third generation trimmer cutting edge ceramic blades, reduce manscaping accidents. Yes when I tell you, this is premium I mean premium the battery lasts up to ninety minutes longer shave water resistant technology groom in the shower. One of the coolest feature's The led light which illuminates grooming areas for a closer and more precise trimming. If you're listening to speak right now I want you to experience it firsthand. Get twenty percent off plus free shipping with Code Hurt E. Agr D. at manscaping dot com. Twenty percents off reshipping code heard man's scraped dot com. Phil Steele. His College football preview is out only nineteen ninety nine angles, trend stats returning starters. He's got recruiting stuff in there. It is my Bible I used to buy seven or eight of these magazines I. Now have one it's Phil Steele's College Football Preview and I love bringing him in before our season. So I live in Los Angeles and have a lot of friends who were USC boosters and when Obama and Notre Dame were knocked off their schedules. My USC friend said, Oh, Lord we're going to actually win the PAC twelve south because the two best coaches in two best rosters are out of it and outside of Oregon, USC matches up very well Clay Helton got a big break. was schedules what I I like US's offense. I don't think they have a ton of depth on the defensive side but what do you make of the Trojans this year? You know talk to almost every coach in the PAC twelve, going through the rosters with them and the two best rosters in the PAC twelve clearly USC in Oregon and I might even put US's roster slightly ahead because a better depth than the offensive line in improve quarterback, we look at Keaton Slovak's last year. Remember they went through three quarterbacks last year to with a road losses. came. In a first road start for a young quarterback, they lost the Notre Dame by three and they were so beat up defensively. If you look over their entire defense, find me a guy that started all thirteen games last year I. Don't think you can find one. So they had the injuries, their injuries on the offensive line. Now they've got practically the whole team back I think. This is by far Klay Hilton's best team. He's got seventeen returning starters are right. The quarterback unit Slovenia's is up there might number two set our receivers I've got the defensive line and defensive backs actually on my top twenty Colin. So that's a a little bit of a surprise after the way USC play defense last year, but at one, this is one of those teams where last year's. Injuries give them about twenty, four, twenty, five guys we starting experience coming back and that's going to be a big plus I. DO THINK USC is the cream of the crop in the South and I'm looking forward to a heck of a game in the PAC twelve title game with USC in Oregon. The two most talented rosters in the PAC twelve before I get to some SEC topics. Oregon has a they have recruited very well. This is a tremendous recruiting staff and there are staff sometimes in college football filled. They're not great coaching staff, the Ron Zook staff at Florida but the great staffs who's going to quarterback all these talented Oregon Duck. Players. I, think it's going to be tyler shout now they did bring in Boston College transferring Anthony Brown who has experience and he's going to compete. But I believe it's tyler shows team he's six, five, east two, hundred and twenty, nine pounds. He was one of the top twenty five quarterbacks coming out of high school and he's the guy that at the team is behind and as you mentioned this a talented team and the differences Con-, you watch organ ten years ago they were trick team gimmicky speed. Mario Crystal Watch strength and power, and you look at his Defense Defensive Front is actually one of the best in the country i. read it number six led by though it defensive end Jordan Scott nose tackle they've got your von Holland back nickelback is a very good Oregon defense with one of the best secondaries in the country this year in fact, I read it the Best Secondary Now the question mark I have offensive line. They've got the best offense alignment in the game and finacial, but they lose four starters if they can get that offensive line reworked and Mario Cristobal offense line coach should be able to get that accomplished and the new qb plays well the rest of the talent. Is there for Oregon and as mentioned, this is an Oregon team that I can get behind because they play defense and they play physical football. Okay I'm GonNa give you my darkhorse national champion and my dark horse player of the year. So might darkhorse national champion is Florida. Dan Mullen they return a ton of players I watched them a mullins offense takes a year to kind of get everybody in sync. I think I. Think Florida's going to surprise people I think they return a lot of starters. I like their young quarterback that's my darkhorse national championship team. Don't think they should be favored but I think we can look up and they could be eight know your thoughts on the gators. I think they're going to be the preseason favorite to win the east this year looking around, and as you mentioned cal trask about the situation, he stepped into last year. This guy hadn't even started a high school football game steps into his first college start does well and actually had the twenty five, seven ratio. You gotTA think improvement level. This year is going to be huge defensively it's a top ten defense last year they are one starter back on the offensive line, the offensive line's back intact. I think calendar to live up to. Your potential. They're going to have to run the football. They were games last year we're Dan? Mullen. WAS UNAPOLOGETIC. We're not even try to run. We're just GONNA pass the football and the only had one hundred thirty yards per game rush I do think they will be able to run the ball better with the strong offensive line and good a stable of running backs, and if they get that accomplished could live up to your possibility. Okay. Before I give you my national championship game the most unheralded great young player in football is Arizona State. Jaden Daniels. I think he is a wizard I we don't watch Arizona state much play some of those late games. What do you make a his talent herm? Edwards by the way, his staff talk about recruiting than a nice. Job. Yeah. How about that passes through against Oregon with job back late and It's third and long any steps back and hits the long touchdown passing by by ducks by playoff chances. Yeah. Yeah. I I I love Gene Daniels and you look at just two interceptions last year as a freshman the true freshman coming in and he was the guy projected to win that job. He wanted he's got all the talent in the world you want at the quarterback position gotta put a little weight on. I had to see this guy get a little bit bigger and I think he will this year but he's got good receivers throw to Frank Derby and company and you know I do I do like Jaden I think he's an underrated qb Phil Steele finally let me give you my national championship prediction Clemson against Ohio State. I Ohio's state again, I don't know how many great defensive ends they can lose chase young the bosses. And we all know that Trevor Lawrence story is just give me in your opinion because I imagine you have Clemson Ohio state somewhere near the top. In Fact I. Think you have Ohio State number one give me the potential flaw for both Clemson and Ohio state because we know they're loaded. Yeah my flaw potential flaws for clemson would be twofold number one the offense Ryan is rebuilt. They'll have one returning starter coming back on the line and I'm a little concerned about the wide receiver depth since Justin Ross is out for the year. Those are be my two flaws that I have with clubs. Now, they did a really good job developing the defensive line last year remember they lost all those guys the NFL and they still had a really good deal line if they can get that done on the offensive line then Clemson's right there and with Ohio state, the major flaw for them I think. is at the running back spot you know master master t and J K. Donna were potent dual last year TC towards Achilles in the spring very questionable for the fall did bring in trace trae sermon from Oklahoma but a depth at running back you need some depth and how about that one two punch they had dobbins and last year I don't think this year's running backs to match that. So that would be the potential flaws with those two teams. Phil Steele Dot Com love talking to you. So he got the teams we we've Got Dark Horse National Championship team, my two favorite teams a player to watch. USC In Texas? Coaching? Physicians. Michigan as well. Full Plate of stuff to digest for the weekend fill it's a pleasure talking to you. Miss Chatting with you all these years calling a good to be back on with you. So we gave you are Phil Steele Preview of college football to start and now. Chris Mannix sports illustrated senior writer has been in the NBA bubble in. ORLANDO. Now, I'm just blown away by the aesthetics, the optics of the sport but Chris in the bubble. And Chris First of all great talking to you. The thing that's really blown me away. Is the intensity of the Games and I and I was talking to this about this to an NBA executive. The other day we were texting back and forth and I said, you know there's no travel. If the players look so fresh it feels like March madness. Have you been shocked by the intensity? These feel like playoff game so far? Yeah I've been surprised at how well some of these games have been played I mean they feel like playoff games in large part because for many of these teams, they almost are I mean for the Six battling for that last spot in the West, it's a playoff game every single night there's some jockeying going on in the east for seeding right now especially in that kind of three to eight range. So there's there's certainly a lot of intensity there I think what's What's surprised me? The most is how well these teams have performed offensively so far sought coming in. that the shooting percentages would crater and some cases they have I mean there are teams like the Lakers and others that haven't shot the ball well at all but you know for the most part, the majority. the shooting numbers have been pretty high and the office of Dumpers have just exploded. You don't get too many great defensive performances here. In the bubble and I think while that hasn't you know it's not always the most the prettiest game It does make incredibly entertaining to see these types of numbers. What was the consensus from players about how Lou Williams handled his actions? The Strip club I've had a theory with the Clippers that Doc rivers came into this thing knowing he had seating didn't matter to him. He feels he has the deepest best team they were eleven and one in. The twelve games they had all their players and the DOC rivers. If he can find opportunities for players to you know if they had to go see family or something you know docks always been very player friendly now whether that's right or not the Lou Williams situation where people disappointed were they laughing in? Were they saying I wish I was Lou Williams I, mean what? What? What was the reaction? Maybe you know off record from some of the players. There I'll put it this way. There wasn't a lot of sympathy for Lou Williams and the ten day quarantine. He had to go through when he came back I, mean every player. In this bubble would have killed to get one day off and go to a strip club and chicken wings and do whatever it was. Lou. Williams did at magic. City. But you know this is the the compromise they may with the NBA they come back they get their salaries they get to compete for a championship but the the consequences that you can't leave the bubble and you have to exist in an environment that's you know uncomfortable for you that that causes you to climb the walls inside this bubble and Lou Williams had a legitimate reason for leaving the bubble. No question about that. But took advantage of it and you know, I think players anybody was was frustrated with Lou Williams. They just weren't going to be siding with him on this particular issue he he tried to get away with something and he couldn't and you know I. It was kind of a just punishment for for a player doing something like that three teams interest me let's start with the Celtics I like them a lot but they look small against Milwaukee. they there are times I don't think they match up particularly well at times with Milwaukee Toronto is a big long team. As much as I like Boston and Brad Stevens, there are half's. There are moments I feel they look. They look a little physically overwhelmed at times. Is that a fair criticism? At the very fair criticism and you know the Celtics. Coming into this, you know coming into this this resume season. They had been a top defensive team most of the year and that's been a hallmark of these Brad Stevens teams throughout his tenure in Boston but. They've been doing it this year with a lot of smoke and mirrors they you know have they replaced Al Horford Aron, Baynes effectively with Daniel ties and his cancer and Thais is a pretty good good versatile defender off ball defender. KANTER can defend the post but not much else. So they had to they replaced two elite defenders with to average or below average defenders, and they were able to succeed in the regular season. But when they start going up against these big physical playoff teams and I watched them play against Milwaukee and that opener I watched Stephen Adams just destroy them in the exhibition season. When they go up against these big fiscal teams, they don't have a lot of answers and it puts a ton of pressure on them offensively to shoot high percentages to make threes and to have these brilliant of games Kemba Walker Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown and because when they don't. They're really vulnerable on the glass and they're vulnerable getting beat up by opponents in the half court. So it's it's going to be an ongoing concern for the Celtics. There's nobody on that roster that they can turn to in Robert Williams had a good game are the this week in a match up They've they can go to him a little bit. He's been a starter for this team briefly before, but these players are not elite playoff performers. So the Celtics you know they're gonNA, they're gonNA have to really be this highly efficient offensive team to be successful. The second team is Milwaukee. My statement will sound absurd when I say Chris Middleton could decide the fortunes of the next five years in the NBA. But. If Chris Middleton struggles against the Toronto and he has they're very good defensively and Janas drops is thirty nine and they can't get to the finals. Because Chris's getting Max Money, it's not an attractive free agent market. They're not going to have a lot of salary cap space, right? It's coming down. That Milwaukee's a fascinating team to me. We know jaanus is superb. But if he doesn't feel he's got a to that can give him twenty four against the best teams you know you get into that. How long do I want to be here? What you make of Middleton, his value, his importance in the bucks going forward in the bubble. Well it enormous because he's clearly the number two option on that team and he's responded this year by having a career best season I voted for him for a third team. All NBA guard and his numbers are certainly backed that up. So there's a lot of pressure on him to have the type of season. He had in the regular season, the play-offs, not just with making open shots but you know being a guy that can take pressure off Jaanus when he comes out of games. The delete option in spurts offensively. So there's pressure there but I kind of flip it a little bit call in and say there's much more pressure on our. Let's sell Eric, Bledsoe hasn't shown up in a lot of these in the last two postseason decent this past year two years ago he was awful The point guard position is stacked across the NBA and it stacked in the eastern conference whether it's Kimball Walker in Boston Kyle lowry in Toronto, and they go down the list. There are good point guards. You'RE GONNA face as your dad's plants and watching watching the Houston game against the bucks Bledsoe didn't play. Because, he's still getting up to speed because of his covert is situation but Russell Westbrook just destroy. Dante even chance Oh and George Hill. You can't. If you the bucks you can't succeed if you're getting beat up on the point of attack often as they were against you, that's on Bledsoe bledsoe's not only going to have to be efficient offensively baking three point shot when they're there but he's GonNa have to be a defensive stopper at that position. 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Camera Throw something I led way my show with this is, of course, Saturday but on Thursday at lead with this is that we know the West is generally better than the east in the NBA there's more stars I think better. GM's. But this year in the regular season non bubble. Winning the West like the La Lakers did is not as impressive at first glance. Why with Clippers had two new stars had to work them into their system Paul George Miss Twenty two games. Blazers didn't have nurkic outside of the Bible and Mellow got acquired. Once the season already started. Denver Yokich was healthy but many of the young players other players were not Oklahoma City was a total rebuild Dallas porzingas Luca great both were hurt. So winning the West coming into the bubble is the number one seed. It's not your typical West it was deep but there were injuries Dan Tony Westbrook in hardened get thrust together and then Tony has an entirely different staff but now in the bubble. All of those issues. Have have saddled Houston staff Westbourne Hard Noor Kitchens back. Oklahoma City now is played together, and now the Lakers actually have issues no Rondo and Avery Bradley. The West is loaded teams like Portland. Houston are a nightmare if you're struggling at guards defensively so might might take away has been the Lakers took advantage because Lebron eighty worked very well quickly they took advantage of a regular season West that was in transition, but I feel like in a bubble. The Lakers now without Bradley and Rondo defensively have some transition some some perimeter gardening issues everybody else is more settled. So the Lakers aren't really as formidable one as people think. I think there's certainly some truth to that I. Think that the Lakers problems. You can throw the Bradley situation certainly at the top of the pile because Bradley. Is The guy. GonNa we'll need against these top like ours potentially beginning as early as the first round. Yes. which could be an absolute nightmare. Yeah. For the Lakers blazers wind up. With, that number one seat and what a story would be for Carmelo to go up against the Ron, it may be his last trance if you anything substantial in his career, but that's here nor there the Lakers. To to me, one of their problems and questions coming into this postseason is one of the problems and questions you had beginning the regular season. That's can they get enough? I mean, you're not worried about Lebron and him coming around you're not worried about Anthony Davis these guys are going to be great. In the playoffs you are more concerned with our Caruso thrust into a bigger role kentavious caldwell pope thrust into a bigger role. Danny, green needs to shoot the ball well as he hasn't postseasons before, but there's much pressure on him now as it's GonNa him in any postseason run, he's had in recent years these guys many of them are not the most reliable three-point shooters are unproven in the postseason and if you can't make threes. You're giving defenses carte blanche, just load up Lebron and load up on eighty and dominate that way I mean you look at potential conference finals matchup against the Clippers if you've got a wide Leonard, who can defend Lebron James and if you've got mantras Harrell and a couple other big, do a decent job defending it. You'RE GONNA put a lot of pressure on those Lakers shooter. So watching the Lakers early on, they haven't made a lot of shots and that's given me some reason for pause as we come towards the postseason, some of those early questions that we had about this team. Rearing their head once again. When you're not covering games and when players aren't playing golf fish pool what are people doing in the bubble? Well a lot of them are in their rooms drinking wine. That's the big. Pastime. In the bubble it really is it's it's a it's a major part of players day video games as you might imagine, are huge here in the bubble to the point where you know having this conversation with. Erik. Spoelstra I was saying to you almost feel like the parent of teenager where you're telling your your players to get out of the room and go do something like do something productive and he said Yeah we you know we're not gonNA tell guys not to play video games we encourage them to go play golf and go fishing and do stuff but what I've noticed over the last week or so is that Kind of the early novelties of worn off like early on you saw all these videos on social media post guys were fishing or timers out there fishing. That if you don't like fishing that that novelty wears off very quickly same same thing with golf I mean there are some guys that love to golf. Chris. Paul loves to Golf Jason Tatum and Boston loves the golf. But some of these guys don't golf at all and just try and now walked away from it. So there's been more I would say anxiety over the last week or so because guys have kinda run out of things to do and what they're doing now is they're rooms One thing that's helped is that the illusion their restrictions on teams moving between hotels at the beginning you couldn't visit. Players in other hotels. Now you can allow guys to have a little bit more social life with some other players, but it's it's kinda starting to devolve into players going to their rooms going to their meal rooms I mean I. Sit most of the day calling in the current springs lobby and I can't tell you see the same guys trudging up and down the hallway all day long or the meal room going back, go in the meal room going back like it's become a little bit. But not in this for these guys and unfortunately I'm not sure how much that's going to change the next couple of weeks. Chris. Currently in the NBA Bubble in Orlando, his name is Chris. Mannix sports illustrated senior writer. It is always a pleasure like I. Always Thought of you in the bubble anyway an intellectual bubble you're very smart. So now you're just your bubble boy in Orlando, which by the way I spent a lot of time in Florida Orlando in the summer is no. Is No tree eat by It not. It's funny like we had to do the seven day quarantine and. Everybody's in their room climbing walls little bits. Without you get out and I stepped outside walked around fifteen minutes and I said screw this. I'm going back into my room. It was ninety degrees with eighty eight humidity. It felt like walking through soup. So it wasn't a wasn't the most pleasant experience there, but I was born to. To do this type of of This type of experience I'm not married. I don't have kids. What do I care I mean if they could just get domino's to deliver to me I, probably be down to be down for the rest of the year Chris Great talking to you buddy. You gotTA call. Thank you so much for joining us for our Saturday podcast. Hi this is Lee Romney End Mike Rinta, and we're very excited to announce that we are finally doing a curse. Yes, and the name is scientology. Fair Game Everybody Scientology Fair Game. And thank you to all of you because we tweeted out like, should we do podcast whatever overwhelming? Yes. Amazing Response Listen to Scientology Fair game on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. At Iheartradio we bring you the best podcasts from the Ron Burgundy show to the breakfast club to stuff. 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College Football Playoff Expansion!?!

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We had initially planned on doing a hard sell segment again today. Where we were gonna do ohio state against michigan. I was gonna take the buckeyes. You were going to take your beloved wolverines but then dan then then we had a little bit of breaking news super. Yeah we did sort of. Its pre breaking news. Yeah it's a little bit like pre crime in the old minority report and But we have. I think before us a rather significant tectonic shift in the way that college football does postseason dan. The news broke on june the tenth. Now we're recording this on the fourteenth dropping this on the fifteenth so less than a week ago that this blue ribbon committee that was comprised of great sankey jack swore brick and some others had returned a recommendation for how to handle the college football postseason in the medium-term so it's not going to be the kind of thing even if it gets ratified that goes into effect this season that goes into effect next season but it could be something as we saw a couple of years back when they instituted the playoff that three seasons down the line. We eventually decide to implement. The twenty twenty. Three season could probably be earliest at. This thing happens and what this thing is is an expansion to twelve teams. Dan and expansion to twelve teams are planned for. Today's show is to go through. What exactly that means what exactly that looks like. Who wins who loses. What are some lingering questions that we still have and just any other thoughts on the matter. It's a big deal in the world of college football the say the absolute very least enormous deal enormous failure. I recommendation it. I think it's right here in chicago right that it's happening a few days. That the full board of playoff are meetings. So it's like the seventeenth eighteenth of june and everybody has the expectation that it's going to be ratified and that the college football playoff will be tripling in size state school math checks. I responded to it how i thought i would in the moment which is skepticism and kind of a negative knowing that this was inevitable at some point rah going inevitably. I guess that's what inevitable means. But i'm glad we didn't record this show on thursday or friday. I'm glad i had the weekend sort of sit with my thoughts and sort of try to examine it from as many angles as possible. So i'm excited to talk about an an talk through it with you especially with the benefit of time and seeing how everybody has reacted in considering all sorts of viewpoints. So here is what this means. The recommendation is to go up to twelve teams. It does not include any kind of guarantee necessarily for conference champions instead it is calling for a bracket twelve team brask specific conference champions pacific conference champion. Yeah thank you. There is a guarantee of conference champions. The four highest but yes it calls for bracket to include the sixth highest ranked conference championships. Plus then the six highest ranked other teams as determined by the college football playoffs selection committee. So there'd be no limit on the number of participants from a conference. No league would qualify automatically under the proposal four highest ranked conference champions would be seated one through four they would receive a first round bye teams five through twelve would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher ranked team which i love which i loved her. Sure what i don't love and we can get into this. Is that the quarters. Semi's and finals of this tournament would all be played at neutral sites. So they would try to adhere to the existing bowl game crony thing going on and keep those games at atrial site. There are some interesting nuances here. Which as we talk about winners and losers and whatnot we can get into all of that again. The foreperson panel that puts together. I mentioned sinking. Soi brick also bob. Ob from the big twelve and craig thompson from the mountain west. Dan so you said the size of the playoff would triple. It would definitely be a pretty drastic shift in the way that we approached this postseason tournament. You said that initially you approached with skepticism. They all had the benefit of a few days. Do you still share in that skepticism. Or has your opinion changed at all. Well first of all. I was laughing in there. Because you the way you're explaining. It reminded me of the cones of sunshire. If you're a member from parks and recreation. I was like okay. There's a committee but the sub committee is recommending to the committee. The plan that involves four conference champions highest rank conference championships but also six conference champion bid. The first route is on campus sites. The second round we think as we on neutral sites but that hasn't been decided yet and explaining that to a random human on the street who just is kind of into college. Football would be. It would be very confused like well which conferences conference. But they're kind of a conference. If you this is one of those deals where there are. Two warriors a maverick and arbiter a corporal in one lederman is score keeper and gets to wear a special collect the cones and the i collect four wins you collect them via trade purchase advancement and scapped. Okay okay. that's very funny thank you. This is one of those deals. Where if you draw it out on paper makes a lot more sense than if you try to explain it but sure i think the general logic behind it is very good. I think okay bye large. They're always in an impossible spot when they tried to bring back recommendations that are going to apply to all of college football. I feel like as i put together. My list of winners and losers there are far more winners than losers. there's some quirks. There are some things that i would like to see them workout but by and large they really did. You can tell. They tried to accommodate a bunch of different audiences. Here when putting this proposal together so rhyme in favor of it. There's only a few quirks that bother me. There's a quirk. That i think will bother my favorite team that ultimately will hopefully work out for the better so i have many thoughts on the matter. I am excited that they are doing this. You know there was a lot of scuttle but as of what couple months ago that they were doing this that they were going to return a recommendation. Time for this. June seventeenth and eighteenth. Meeting still. wasn't all that optimistic that we're going to get something like this out of it. Which actually feel is a pretty sound thoughtful recommendation whether or not you agree with it or disagree with it. The logic behind it as explained seems like it's it's very thoughtfully composed. So i'm yeah. I'm excited about that. It could be defined or could be looked at as an eighteen playoff with the play in round as well. I sure would be because we have four buys. We're gonna eventually ended up with eight teams in two so that that's one way of looking at it. And i think the reason it ended up at twelve some of the more powerful conference commissioners namely greg sankey and the sec sought to maximize the number of conference teams. That could end up. If we're going to deal with conference champions if we were going to deal with G five teams making it in and depending on how you view this taking up the spots of power five teams the group of teams of the group of power five teams that exclusively made up the fourteen playoff. That's been in existence now since twenty fourteen. I think that would be a strong reason why to maximize to four. Sec teams if that were to play out that way because that's the way college football has been with a large number of scc teams near the top of the sport in recent years. So i think that's a big reason why it's at twelve and eight because conferences like the have that kind of sway and that kind of poll and here we are and so my initial reaction tie was that there are more teams playing with higher stakes. Obviously right that they're more teams with an active ability to win the national championship in january. That's a i think. A positive thing just in terms of the sport has gotten to a place where it's probably alabama. Maybe somebody else. The last few years is how it's been which has not necessarily been good for general mainstream interest in the sport. I think that it's a little bit overplayed. The the reaction of like we might like florida going to madison or west virginia. Going to seattle like never leaves the state of florida. I know i know. But i so it all starts. Nineteen eighty-three a young dan. Rupe no it depends on what you love about the sport it depends on what you want out of the sport. It's it depends on what you treasure from the sport. It's good for us. There are more games with with stakes to speak about. I'm still not a fan of what will become what bracket in the sport it will be right like it's going to be playoff playoff playoff and all eyes are going to be on january and now that there are more teams. It's not as bad as the like who's in. Espn you know. July through december promotion. That focused everything through a four team lens. But what. I still think we are going to lose something and maybe not. It's maybe it's not tv. Ratings i still think the appeal of college football. I think the least interesting month of college. Football is january and we're expanding january. So that's my gut reaction. But i do wanna talk through winners and losers and the lingering questions we have well so i i can speak to this from a couple of different perspectives. Is that true to you too. By the way is is if you had to rank. September count august but august slash september shipped. October november december january is is is january last is at first whereas it for you january January january is still probably better than the december conference december. I mean they're not just expanding jerry they're expanding some of december as well. That's when we're going to have some of these games that are being played on campus. I do so okay. Let me let me back up here before i get into that. I think what they're doing here is smart on a number of different levels. First and foremost one thing that we see as podcasters check our downloads. By the time the season starts in september are downloads at a fever pitch. They're always highest in the very beginning. When everyone's undefeated hope is a plenty and everyone's excited for the season. Inevitably it kind of got people watching on the video. It goes like this time. You get to like the latter portion of october You start to see it getting down to the lower levels that a guest every season because interest in the sport wayne's your team loses two games. It's over who cares. You see spikes on rivalry weeks and things like that but by and large it goes down. That's just reality. I wonder if a system like this keeps our downloads up. Frankly if it keeps interest talk in this sport because and they've said this. I think they're right. If you go into november in the current state of affairs with the six two record you have nothing to play for the not going to win a national championship. Let's let's put it there. You may have an opportunity to contend for a conference championship but by and large not gonna win the national six too damn citizens the problem six zero zero in the problem six and a good record. Yeah it's a good record. And because of the system the way it is presently composed six and two dozen. Get you anything. Maybe get to conference championship. Better bowl game at good. Give you a chance to play for anything more. This system if your awarding six at large certainly six conference champions there is a lot more to play for as you go into november with the marcus six and two you could finish nine and three and you could still have an opportunity to play for a championship if i'm a fan home. I'm excited about that. I'm excited that there is more out there for me for me to root for for my teams to play for so i think that in and of itself is a big deal because that was the primary argument against expanding the playoff expand the playoff. The regular season doesn't mean as much i think. Actually the contrary is true here. I think you it you allow more in. Suddenly they're all playing for something last four weeks. The season five weeks the season when they came out and gave quotes about this. I don't know if it was swore breaker seika or doesn't that sort of every game means less though right if a loss means less than every game means less because the threat of a loss is not as damaging that is true to an extent. Doesn't that extension for error element and appeal of the sport. You can remember. And i can remember and i don't know if this is important but it obviously has stuck with us. You know the game. That notre dame lost that prevented notre dame from going to a national championship or a huge game or ruined and undefeated season. Or whatever in x. Year i remember oregon losing to stanford i remember. I guess it was two years of stanford right two thousand one and two thousand twelve. That ultimately kept oregon from a national championship game. Those scars are real and help to define. I don't love that. I have them. But those scars meant that that was such an important game that oregon lost because aker. It's was truly out of bounce. He was That it helps to define the big feel the big game feel to every game which still exists. But i don't think the magnitude. I don't think it's as pronounced okay with this announcement but that being said in your system your preferred system right. What gains mean anyway. Games don't mean anything you don't play for anything you're playing for a bowl game right at least in this format albeit. Maybe there is a greater margin for error right. At least you're planning to try and get into a playoff to win something. okay. I look college. Football is unique. And so if we're going to say college. Football is now a tournament sport because at four teams. It's this isolated. It's a made for tv product right at twelve games and i'm not gonna talk about bracket creep or whatever the guys who are running. The playoffs said that they the us that they shouldn't be going towards the playoff. I'm not gonna use that. But cultural is definitely heading in the direction of a bracket sport tournaments sport like college. Basketball is and again the paralyzed precise. It's the tournament is bigger but it's not a tournament sport. it's just nets tournaments for a tournament is used to crown the champion. It is not used to play the overwhelming majority of the games. Well i'm in college. Basketball has a thirty game season. Or whatever then there's a tournament a tournament sport because that's where the interest in. How much college basketball do you watch right. And i'm not saying again. It's not an exact parallel but on the fps level. It's a tournament sport. Right s tried every other level football tournament sport the. Nfl is a tournament sport because there is a playoff tournament that culminates in a national championship. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad. Because i don't know i haven't lived through. It is baseball tournament sport. Of course it is okay. It's a series of one hundred sixty two regular season games but it's a tournament tournament sport and that's how a champion is decided and we're talking about him. A champion being decided in college football in expanded new west. So you you like figure skating. More judged i mean okay. Is your system. Not a judge based system. You know it is a judge. Iphone games arbitrarily. Well it's a matter of. Do you look at college football as a fall sport or do you look at a chain ury sport. I know people are going to say it's both. Here's okay point is basically this is. We're now looking at a postseason that involves a more meaningful tournament because there are more teams involved. Twelve teams involved so it's a it's a bigger percentage of the better teams in the sport. Act times for national championship. Absolutely and then. But they're trying to shoehorn in bulls and they're still going to be lower level. Okay right so. I mean to say it kind of feels like there's no there's no mlb bowl game between the orioles and the tigers if both teams didn't make the playoffs right right. There's like consolation. Mlb like it just doesn't exist outside of i guess the it which is another tournament. Let's what i'm saying is like what what is the actual goal for the sport. Obviously the goal is to pick a champion. But what does the postseason post to look like in forty years. I don't know. But i like the fact that they're going in this direction. I like it's it. it will include. It'd be more inclusive so one of the stats here that i pulled from andy staples com now on the athletic was that there have been eleven programs. Eleven total programs that have made the college football playoff field in seven seasons. Only eleven programs. That's it so if you were to retroactively go back and look at those seasons. Apply this new format that they're debating. Thirty nine programs would have made the playoffs under the proposed format that includes teams. Like my penn state nittany lions. They would have made it four times so i'm sure it would have made it more to get. Yeah i it's it's interesting. Because it definitely broadens the base. It broadens the base. In what i like about the way that andy phrased it is. He was looking at it from the perspective of a t. Mike boston college where it may not mean a whole lot to a lot of schools to qualify for the playoffs but a boston college. If half your boy can hang a college football playoff participants pace in trophy. Continue if they could hang that in their athletic facilities that's very meaningful to the program. That's something that we can recruit on certainly expanding that base a little bit giving more teams and opportunity to play in the postseason can be very meaningful and can help reshape sport. So is it good for the tv product and good for increasing access. Probably is it good for actually more accurately finding a national champion. Are you left after the last five years in any of those years did you think to yourself. Why wonder how alabama would have done against penn state or memphis but that's beside the point right so there's decided right. There are many different points. I i hear what you're saying here where you're going with that. I just i like the fact that they are trying to be more inclusive about this because believe it or not. There will come a point in time where the alabama dynasty is no more the clemson dinosaurs. No more and sure there may be a different team that steps up and is suddenly that alpha in the football world. But i gotta believe we will eventually get to a point maybe forty years from now where disinclined bringing more under. The tent is beneficial to the postseason. I one of the things that i think college football has working against it with a playoff like this is over time. The sports that have these brackets tournaments plops or whatever. The major sports have recognizable faces participating. They have steph. Curry was going to say mike trout. But i don't think my trout is a playoff player. Don't angels make the playoffs. But they have clayton kershaw. They have these storylines over the years where people returned to tune back in in college. Football has essentially. It's if you love a random coach. Or you have the recognizable brand of ohio state or usc or texas or florida or whatever that's the actual selling point of the sport and i don't necessarily think that saying. Oh cal made it this year or indiana made it this year or north carolina state made it this year. I suppose it's good for very specific fans of those schools. I don't know that it strengthens the sport. I just don't understand the logic there. I don't understand the logic. I don't see i don't see how giving teams that normally aren't part of a postseason and opportunity is going to make the sport. I think what it is saying is sure the alabama run of dominance will come to a close on a certain level. When nick sabin retires but there are still a select few teams that have invested in the sport. And that have the wherewithal to repeatedly win huge games in january. And it's just it's never gonna be cal. It's never going to be san diego state. It's never gonna be nevada. It's never going to be texas tech and so we are looking at parody as this inevitability when i just still think it's only going to be the same six or seven teams. That have the wherewithal. And we're just were dressing. It up and saying access is good boston college or kentucky like hanging a banner that they participated is a game changer. Now a lingering question. I have is what it does for recruiting. I don't necessarily believe that. Making the playoff will demonstrably make a place more attractive. But maybe you disagree. Well i do. Lingering questions lingering question. I don't know the answer to that either. I do feel that you can recruit on this. And i think the program. Like a boise. State boise state was able to build momentum very gradually over the course of time to get to where it is today seemingly one of if not the best group of five teams No argument there but they did. It gradually over time. By repeated success and repeated visibility. We all remember the big fiesta bowl. Game the trick plays and things like that they. They've been slowly recruits. Don't but boise. Has a program has warned how to get bigger because of moments like that per day of very gradually done that over time sure recruits nowadays. Don't give a damn about jared brands. Who has i think selling insurance somewhere at this point in time could help is making a healthy living. Yeah but the point is that this is something that has taken them a long time build up and i find it hard to believe that another program like a cow or a texas tech or whoever else you cited couldn't try to build some momentum off of this. I don't think that's a bad thing to give them that opportunity. Even if maybe us the old skeptics might think otherwise now it's impossible. Well let's let's you can just college. Football is the ultimate example of a sport where it's much easier to go from bad to good than good to great. It is just because you're up against it is hard to great is incredibly difficult and i think that's stature is so impossible for the majority of the sports so here okay. I think we're relatively aligned. Even though i think. I have a little bit more skepticism. Fair to say about the enterprise but it's so different and so new and so much you know there's so many differences to what we're used to. I'm willing to see how it goes. I'm willing to see how it goes. And see you know look inward as i anticipate games and see how i feel as tapping and oh. Wow you know memphis just upset clemson. That's incredible okay. That's that's cool. did people watch it. Did people care people talking about it. Also cool here my winners. Espn and or a network if espn and fox or espn and cbs share like you know obviously the nba and the nfl do and major league baseball. There's going to be at least early interest in this in the same way that ratings were huge for being the first one was oregon ohio state. Right right the first national championship via the playoff system. So i think there a big win. They're gonna be able to sell more ads. They're going to be able to take three weeks worth of whatever however much time it is to promote the hell out of this in an otherwise lull time for them in the sports world since their. Nfl options are pretty limited during the playoffs. So i think that's the big winner. This is a huge deal for the networks. I also think at least temporarily the bowl system not necessarily rooting for the bowl system. But for now the way that they have concocted this thing and it could change. I hope it does change for now. The fact that there were three rounds essentially being played at neutral sites. The quarters the semi's and then the final that's a win for the bowl system. Clearly what they tried to do with this system here. Well the top of the bowl so is top of the is not overall six seven bowl games. Whatever comes to yeah. Clearly they win. Could i think the group putting this together realized that it had a lot of mouths to feed the bull system being one of them hopefully. They're overruled and they could play more games on campus. Which i think would really make this thing much more of an event but at least for now the bowl system trying to find a way to retrofit this into that. It's it's a temporary w for them provided it doesn't change. Yeah i mean it just took. You're right it's just funny that we're like hey. This is the first round of the twelve team playoff but wink wink. Kathryn hahn. it's it's the fiesta bowl. Also i know you're talking about i. I will say this to another winner is conferences. I guess quarterfinals. Not i found but yes quarterfinals right. Yeah another big winner is conferences so on a couple of different levels right first off. There is no minimum or maximum number of participants per conference right. So if you're the sec. For the big ten of the pack. Whoever the mountain west doesn't matter there is no upper limit to the number of teams that you can place in this torment. That's a big deal to big deal. Many the systems that. I've heard before i think. Probably six teams located seems as the limit right because there have to be five other conference fair enough but for all intents and purposes. There's not really a cap on the number of clergy. You can place into this thing. Secondly we do know that conferences just from past. Discussion are very defensive of these conference championship games and there was a lot of consternation about how the conference champ games would factor into any new system. We've had a lot of consternation frankly over it for the last seven years. How does a conference championship fit into the fourteen model. How should it fit to a fourteen model. There's a whole spectrum of varying opinions on what a conference champion means with this system. They're painting a very clear picture. They're saying conference champions. Get a up on participation in this tournament the top six ranked conference champions will be automatic. Qualifiers right that'd be non power five and g five. It's any sex. Which i think depending on how you feel about coastal carolina and twenty twenty. Because they didn't play in a conference championship game. I don't believe it got cancelled. I think that would've left the pac. Twelve out and twenty twenty because of cincinnati. And i think san jose state was actually ahead twenty twenty. We saw the numbers for twenty twenty twenty twenty and more caress me. We'll just move on twenty twenty one. Yeah i also believe it's seven teams would be the max right five other so it's one plus five plus six six plus one is seven. You're absolutely right. I i think there is elements. Now there is a juggling act. That's going to or at least they juggling conversation of the what the two teams that make the championship conference championship games. And we stay at twelve regular season games and if those two or one of the teams comes out of that bottom eight. They're playing seventeen games. Is that number. Potentially if a team does not get by in the first round if they're five through twelve and they end up in the championship game. They're playing seven games game. That's a lot of games will get to that when we talk about our loser right now. I know yes. That is an element of things. I have bottom lines of teams. Who make it in and when multiple games there are big winner right. Yep i mean making it and then also potentially hosting a game and getting the revenue from that and the tv exposure everything like it all works fans of tier two programs. Yup i have that to eight eight or nine when programs or even seven or eight or ten nine eleven yeah teams that teams that fall into that category of maybe taking a jump up or maybe taking a step back many more teams like that are now going to have a shot. The second half of the season to play for something more would also say those coaches in terms of job security there suddenly going to be playing in the premier postseason tournament rather than the citrus bowl. So paul chryst kirk farance clayton held and can coach forever. Clay helton coach forever. Now i mean guys like that. Gary patterson guys who have been on the precipice of the fourteen playoff but are seen as not playoff-caliber coaches because they are they've they've maxed out at somewhere between five and fourteen or something like that. Suddenly those guys be a little more secure. If they're making the playoffs once every three two or three years whatever but also them at a loser would be tier three teams and coaches right because nobody really expects iowa to go to the playoff if ever if at all often and now suddenly ochre is going eight and four every year and all of these new northwestern's making the playoff and wisconsin's making the playoff and penn state's making the playoffs but kirk parents can't get into the playoff suddenly. There's no pressure on kirk ferrets. Up until now for onfield reasons and suddenly he can't get to the playoff all of a sudden those eight and four coaches something eight and forests and it's not that good. It's not good. That's a loser of this thing. Eight and four is an interesting proposition. I do think a big winner. We haven't said it explicitly but group of five teams group teams being included in this. The way that this is written it guarantees that there will be at least one group of five team every year in the postseason and look we can have the conversation about teams cincinnati's never gonna beat alabama. And i think we can come to a pretty quick consensus on things. Fat but being included is a big deal. It's a really big deal for a long time. The group of five has fought to at least be considered now and they. They tried to make it look as if they were even a possibility in this fourteen model even though we all knew that they weren't it was gonna take a weird vid type here frank where everything just goes sideways in order for team like cincinnati to be considered now. At least they are included. If we're going to continue on in this model or fbs is this all inclusive system whereby everybody has a chance to win a national championship. If we want to continue with that illusion and the power five is not going to break apart that we need to find some way to everyone together and at least in this model granted. It's not perfect. But at least in this model you will have participation from the best group of five team. And i think that's a huge win couple subheadings. Don't get blown out of the water group of five team or teams whom Twelve team playoff immediately. Because it's not a referendum on the group of fives ability to compete in january against the best of the power. Five or at least it shouldn't be a referendum. But i think it will end up being. I don't know if it changes anything. But it will cast doubt upon the difference between power five in group of five football fair not also we eliminate the oh could team that ends up playing a g five team in the whatever sugar bowl fiesta bowl loss. But they don't want to be there because they didn't make the playoffs. And so now whether boise state oklahoma utilize obama you know. It's a mound west. Utah team at that time of course. Ucf auburn you lose that. Which is great. Which is terrific. Because there is there's no excuse now if one of those hugely successful g. five programs beats power five program in the playoff because everybody wants to be there. There's no denying that. So that's a winner that we lose that narrative all right dan real quick before we go on just off the top of your head start naming words that come to mind when i say. The word bombay's sponsor comfortable reliable stylish performances word that is now you have to trust me. You and anybody listening has to trust me right now. 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Guess who expanded rosters favor. It's the teams that are amassing. The best players already that are loading up on the best players. Going to load up on more of those and create a difference between the haves and have-nots. No you're absolutely right. And what's the difference between nfl players in mlb players and nba players. Who are faced with postseason changes. We saw playing tournament with the nba. We've seen wildcard stuff added to baseball and you know games are now increasing. What in the nfl. Right they're going to seventeen or eighteen. They're going collectively bargained. The players have a say via union and collective bargaining like. Well we want this. We want that. we'll go to. This will concede that that doesn't exist that doesn't exist cultural balls a major sport and the players don't have a voice like the players doing other major sports it say problem perhaps with some of the nfl legislation. That's gonna start going into effect. They will have more leverage but it is something worth mentioning where fans of kalinga in question fans of all. But it's a huge lingering question about how players seal about this. How could further use their leverage in two thousand twenty. We talked about it on her miniseries right. They found their voice to some extent. And we're able to move the needle. What would they do in a situation like this. i guess. Is everybody very excited about it. But there are real questions about. How does this affect player safety. How does this affect any. The student athlete. The student experience of college in general. I mean there's a lot more travel involved with this so more travel. Obviously there's an academic element to it for some for some. That are putting in the academic effort to whatever extent. And i think in the mainstream to. I think it's i don't know if it's the reason. But it's a reason why college football waxes and wanes and ebbs and flows in popularity. I'm not talking about diehards at texas. Who is a diehard college. Football fan of maryland. Wherever it's i stopped. I don't watch as much college football i i just. It's weird that the players don't get paid and everybody else does. That is a reason that the popularity of the sport has gone down some that. There is that that feeling of okay. It's such a huge major sport and the players are only compensated with scholarships that is a reason. You know it's a complicated issue when you factor in title nine anti al whatever but it's a reason and to increase the games with players having the same amount of say which is very limited to none. It's difficult that's a lingering question maybe does this get us closer to players unionizing or figuring out some way to collectively voice their concerns. Maybe that's an interesting question. I think in other interesting question is we saw in two thousand twenty. We've obviously seen it pick up a little bit of traction over the last couple years but players opting out like sure. I don't necessarily think it's a great move to opt out of a huge postseason event like this right if you are a player that draws a really bad match up around one if you're the twelfth seed right if you gotta go on the road if you are. I don't think that's an issue. First round draft pick. Do you consider. maybe. I'm playing right or more games. Here what does that do for my i. I think we're gonna eventually see opt out of the playoff. Just because it's gonna be a number of games and if somebody is seriously injured and wing their future and their looked at as a first round right tackle or something. Maybe maybe i think it all depends on health not necessarily matchup or travel. That's i mean. That's a little farfetched for. Because i think these guys wanna play wanna win with their teammates. But we'll players be playing in the gasparilla able if their third round pick fourth or are they going to opt out if there are third or fourth round. Pick for the san diego credit county union. Whatever they going to be like the key car care bowl. I don't know if any of these bowls still exist. That's the thing too is right. I think the opt outs go down a tier boat both in nfl draft stock player and bowl. I think you're just gonna have all sorts of people saying like we're not in the playoffs. Why am i gonna play playing in a guest bowl game in detroit all due respect to detroit a good place that i've been to but i get it. I totally get it okay. What there's like. They're gonna be crushed. Why if you're northwestern fan or why if you're an iowa fan or whatever and your team makes the outback bowl and normally or like i don't know but it's florida and it's warm and it's winter. I'm gonna go whatever school. let's go. Watch the hawks. Now you're going to be more disappointed likely if you just missed out on the playoffs and you're ending up in one of those games and you're playing an even worst team than normally. You're playing a six six. Scc team playing south carolina. I guess if you're a die hard and you always go to all the ball games. You'll go but i think those that are on. The fence aren't going to go. There will be a little bit of a morale hit. Yeah that that takes place. Your team does not make the playoffs. Well let me shift gears a little bit and talk about another with another winner or loser. Another loser in the system is notre dame. Yeah i have that. And it's it's very interesting on on many different levels. Even if notre dame is the number one team in the country in this proposal it can't receive a bye or be seated higher than fourth than fifth higher than fifth. Excuse me that is because the selection. Committee's top twenty five is different from the seating. Because the top four seeds go to the highest ranked conference champions so notre dame not in a conference they go undefeated that could be the top team in every ranking system in the world doesn't matter they can't be seated i which means that they don't get a by. This is one of the ways that this proposed system would also reward some of the better conference champions it would inevitably give the top four conference champions a first round bye which is rewarding. It would be a bigger reward if they got to play those games on campus. You mean you mean it'll be a big reward to both get a by and then in their quarterfinal. Matchup plan campus. Yeah we can save that one for a few minutes from now but notre dame is in this really weird spot where they had a seat at the table when it came to actually drawing this thing up at the same time they are still seemingly at a little bit of a disadvantage. They asked jackson about this. He said quote. I look forward to hearing again about how played one last game or don't have a conference championship now. Look that's a concession. He's willing to make okay jack. Warburg's got a dry sense of humor. That is no doubt an argument. That has been levied against notre dame. Since the beginning of time. I get that not in values its independence. The time has come to find out. Just how much do they really wanna put themselves in a situation. Where by not joining a conference. They leave a first round bye. Potentially on the table right there are such things as being a principled in your belief of independence understanding that independence is a fiber of your being it is woven all throughout your long storied tradition. I get there does come a point time where it is just foolish and if the system goes through it's foolish if the system goes through it would be foolish to remain independent. It would behoove them to join a conference or knows they would have no shortage of suitors. Everybody would want notre dame in the conference the acc the big ten the big twelve. Everybody you name it. They would all want notre dame they would have to eventually join a conference. Maybe not right away but as i said you three to five years from now there will be such outcry that clearly. They're good enough from a talent perspective to make the playoff on a recurring basis and to leave the potential on the table of having a first round by if things go the way i hope maybe having a first round bye and a first round game or second round game. What have you noting stadium. They'd have to join conference. They they would have no choice. it have do. Forget one thing who's got it better than notre dame in terms of playoff payout no body because they're not splitting their cash with anybody. So is that amount of cash that they're saving by not splitting the the po- the playoff money that notre dame earns with the rest of a conference is it worth sacrificing. A bye week might be. Yeah it's dollars and cents. Tie it it's the all-time cynical perspective. You're not wrong. I get what you're saying. Because i just notre dame even split anything with the this past year i don't think they did even though they were a full acc team. I think that might have been part of the deal could be mistaken. I just don't think notre dame's split their cash. This is one of those things. Whenever people vote against their own self interests. You have to wonder what is what is the motivating factor here and a lot of times. If you look closely you can find it there. Plenty times where you can't this would be one where it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Okay if you if you really are interested winning national championship and if you are willing to put yourself at a disadvantage will be maybe minute one. I don't know if you're willing to do that. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense at some point. You're just being obstinate. And i wonder if this would be the final breaking point if discipline different scenario though right like how many times would notre dame truly be a top top four school but really the number one overall dramatic school a lot. I and you're right but you sell that to the fan base. Use any fan base you so that to any fan base that hey we could win. But it's hard candy you can sell anything. Yeah all right Do you want to. You want me to go through some winters. You want me to go through some losers do you want to add rifled through. Go ahead. okay. I have sec teams slash fans slash fans slash the conference bottom line. Sec is going to get a ton of teams. And i mean that's just a reality that we're living with. It's very good for the sec. I think the tv product of the play in round because it's on campus. I think it's a big win. He'll be a big tv product of having the energy of a sea of red or a sea of green in a college stadium with college tailgating. Even if it's frozen in the midwest or whatever on the west coast. i think. That's a big big win. And especially if if a team like oregon. Usc or washington is hosting a team. That they just have the bringing an lsu or something. That's an incredible incredible visual. I don't know if it's great in terms of narrative in storyline but the visual of those games in a stadium hosting a game. That normally doesn't think it's great. A lot of these college towns got destroyed by covid. I was being cynical about that to continue a lot. Got destroyed by covid but potentially and i understand. It's only a select few having an extra week of people on campus tailgating of hotel reservations restaurant reservations bar like that extra week would be very meaningful to match down the cynical element of me was like twenty twenty. Everybody loses millions upon millions. Dozens of millions of dollars based on you know travel economy stuff in those towns but also fans in seeds and donations. And like everybody's hit super hard economically and then months later how could we make more money. Yeah yeah that's the cynical part of me. I'm sure there's an element of it but it's the whole thing Some other winners have excuse me. Because i did have that. The auxiliary businesses and the play in round teams with free circumstantial losses whether it's quarterback lightly spraining his ankle and missing the second half and thus the team losing we saw with what trevor lawrence getting cova. Not that it's a freak thing in the same way but clemson certainly didn't look the same against boston college and they have dropped that. They ended up winning but they did lose to notre dame with a backup quarterback and they still made the playoff. But that's not always going to be the case for a team that has two losses already and loses a third but still manages to get in. So you know a team losing in a monsoon game a solid verbal favorite suddenly. It's not as important that. I don't remember which quarterback went like two of eleven notre dame against nc state. But suddenly you can for. This is a pun intended. You can weather that storm now. That was good. I was good. One of the. I guess big lingering questions for me. Oh yeah not me. I wanna know when is this going to be implemented. Is i think a very important question. So what what they said. Bill hancock said is that it's not gonna happen this coming season. Obviously they can't do it. This season sock gonna happen in two thousand two the earliest they could do. It is twenty three per my understanding. I could be wrong about this. The existing twelve year contract runs through the twenty five twenty six season. Which means that if they were to change the playoff at all before then they would be tied down to the bowl system to incorporate the bull system in whatever they do for as much as i would love the start sooner i would hate for it to start and incorporate more of the bowl system right what i'm getting at here is i would really really love if not only that. Set a first round playing games as you termed it but also the one through four seeds their first round games. All of those will be played on campus. I would love for those all to be played on campus. I don't know if they could do it. Based on the way that the current contract is word so i need to find out more about that. I hope that the people voting on this will come to their senses and realize that. It's just an incredible natural resource college. Football has net game day atmosphere on campus. They should if they're really trying to build a system that is sustainable and exciting and interesting to all they need to try and steer more into that than they have currently so i'm hopeful that they can find a way to do it but i do have a question around one of the going to implement and can they would. They be willing to implement in a way that provides more on campus games. I think that would really be the secret sauce. That makes this thing super special. I mean also every other sport place home stadiums and truly still the end for the nfl. Then i don't. I'm not familiar enough. With how champions league operates but i know they play in random places right. They don't necessarily playing all home stadiums the entire time. Not all home stadiums. Now right now. I mean i have a bunch of winners and losers. I mean obviously the new york six new york six the new year's six level bowl games. I mentioned i'm curious. I think the winner is going to be. I think september non-conference scheduling because more teams are going to be looking to have a resume edge. But i still think there's going to be scheduling gamesmanship and i'm curious whether conference stay at nine games. Eight games like the the big ten in the pack twelve that gets affected whether the total number of games is affected by the possibility of teams playing as many as they could play. You know if we go back to an eleven game season doubtful that it retracts. But i'm curious. I think the winner another winner would be the selection committee. I don't the public at large cares that much about twelve versus thirteen as much as they care about four versus five or six. That's been desperate my point all along. Yeah that's what my point all along for expansion and we could argue about whether or not. This is the best system to determine a champion whether we should determine a champion at all. We've had all of those debates here. But i think you're right that the public will care less about that decision right versus the four versus five one that we're used right. How could you leave our washington state. I don't think that's going to be a big thing. Gambling and pools brackets. I think a big winner good call. I think that's a home winner. That confidence pools now. That probably didn't exist are interesting. You know twelve team brackets and like you can start wagering. We could start doing it right now if we wanted to. And see like we play game. It's just like okay. Pick your twelve teams. You get one point. If you get a team right you get two points if you get in the right position one through twelve there stuff like that that suddenly like you're opening those flood gates. I think in a positive way it just increases the fun and so much of the popularity of the nfl. I mean obviously tied into whatever favorite. Your favorite team is but gambling fantasy. Whatever i think. That's an element to it. I don't think college. Football is going to go fantasy in that way. But i think that's an element some losers. I think a cohesive postseason if that's something you like then you're out because it's not going to be a cohesive. Postseason mentioned the eight and four teams those like tier three type teams. I mentioned margin for error rivalry emotion. I think i don't know if it gets worse but i think it's different. Yeah well state losing to if as an undefeated ohio state. I know this is fictional undefeated. Ohio state team losing to michigan at the end of the year and ending the year. Eleven in one. It's a softer landing right knowing that they're going to be in the playoff exceed but it's a soft landing softer landing. I do feel like there is potential though for underdogs tanakh teams out of the playoff. Maybe not in the example that you described because in that case ohio state going to be in one way or the other right but there are going to be some rivalries across the board where. You've got a team that's six and six Whatever five and six and they've got an opportunity to maybe influence the course of the postseason. You know it's not all about is ohio state going to be in but it could be about things like well ohio state if they lose this game they're seating is affected. Maybe they don't get a first round bye. Maybe they don't play at home so there are things to play for regardless of which side of that rivalry. You're on yeah. I mean i guess i don't really know how i feel about whether or not it would affect emotion with a rivalry because college football by and large still sport driven by its rivalries. I agree i just when you have more eyeballs and more lenses pointing at january. Now things get left behind a little bit and that's worries me. We've had things left behind in this modernisation nationalization of college football with no border war. Oh no texas. Oklahoma texas texas a and m. No i mean we. We lost the backyard brawl. Now it's back whatever but like we lose those elements as we try to improve and modernize in reposition. The sport and i don't think that's a positive thing. I don't think losing the emotion and tension in the sport because of teams wanting to better position themselves for the postseason or better position themselves for tv money or whatever for their brand. I don't think it's a good thing for the sport i just. Don't i think the national interest i think is increased. i don't know if that means rating or whatever it is but like if you're going to be watching a late season. I saw this on bud. Elliott's twitter feed if you're gonna be watching a late season. Cincinnati memphis game but suddenly those teams are one of those teams as the number seventeen in the country. And you are the number sixteen team in the country and you're paying close attention to those top twelve teams. Suddenly you might be watching those games and otherwise world where you wouldn't yeah. I think i think we win. Oh yeah we were stabbed that right at the top. I think i'll say it again. I think we win. I think it's one of those deals. Where interest remains higher in college football for longer And ultimately if you're in the business that we're in that's a good thing. Yeah my rifle through some more lingering questions and let me know if any jumps anything jumps out to you. I have the notre dame thing. Will they join a conference broadcast rights. Situation will bowls be phased out you know. I think we could be. We could be looking at this like okay. We've long had this business relationship. This old boys club of the fiesta. And the sugar like or is this something. That's just going to go the way of the dodo after three or four years. Where we're just like okay. We're all in on campuses. We we love the excitement and energy and the revenue. It generates for these towns. I i think it's a question. We'll see what happens. Cou could you have a nit tournament of sorts. Yeah i love to tournament element to college football. I that to me is exciting and interesting you could. You have an. It of sorts. What would what would stop from creating something like that. I want one of the bowl question. What what what would happen. If we decided we're gonna have another tournament. i want a second tournament. Fully run by fox who over pays for everything puts fifty million dollars at the middle of the field in the opening rounds and players get a share like something some crazy tournament too and it happens in december and it like it tries to usurp and suck some of the wind out of the twelve team playoff. That's what i'm here for tie. I'm here for you know some sort of wrestling world situation where you have some sort of new promotion coming up the way that china throws money at older nba and soccer stars. That's what i want. That's what i'm here for short bug. Oh to china or something. Isn't that a thing. That's what i want. I want fox. i want i want amazon. I want you know disney. Plus just come on in. I mean disney won't do it because they have espn but come on in and throat just stupid amounts of cash at an all tournament. I would love that other lingering questions better to have a buyer home game. I think it's a by but we'll see what happens. I don't know if teams will position themselves in interesting ways at the end of the year. It's it's better to have a bye week. I think so too but he's disappointing to not have a home game if you have a bye week thing. I'm hoping that they rectify that. It just seems like if you're really trying to reward conference champion and you're already rewarding some teams with a home game Why not give why not give. Why not give them both when given the bye week and the game on campus. That'd be such a big deal. That'd be awesome. How much time will a twelve team bracket the twelve team playoff be given to grow and find its feet because the bcs lasted i. It was something. It was late nineties until twenty thirteen. So fifteen sixteen years. I don't have the exact number. The fourteen playoff was given seven. So we're seeing shorten and shorten and short amounts of time in four years five years. Is this gonna be like. Oh we're going. We're going sixteen like what's going to happen. How long is this given. Twelve twelve teams is going to have much more of a okay lifespan. that's four what. How do things get looked at in terms of selection committee data points. They're going to be more members now. That more games and teams have to be evaluated whether the members come from what are the data points. Look like and if something happens at the end of the year. And i'm thinking back to what it was like. Two thousand one were nebraska got completely obliterated but still made the national championship game different system. Now by if what what matters in terms of when a team loses how a team loses you know is margin for margin of victory going to be more important than it was. Before i i would hope so strength of schedule. I i would love more clarity on the data points being used to rank these teams. Well it's going to be very interesting again. We should find out more where college football stands on this week's if we're getting a lot of teams more games maybe maybe start the season earlier. Can you say. I don't know it's it's interesting. Could you have teams scheduling games differently. I don't know right. I mean the the games. You're gonna have some team saying it doesn't matter as much if we schedule top fifteen team and week one or two and you're gonna have some teams who are like that fringe element who you're talking about you know. Acc teams that are going nine and three ten and two sometimes big ten teams big twelve teams. Are they going to say. We can't afford to be anything less than nine and ten and two right. That's that's you get into that weird gamesmanship thing in hope for the best that somebody doesn't have a much stronger case at that same record because they scheduled up because they lost by three to a good dame team and you just didn't schedule that good team and you beat up on risa thing. Yeah well look again. We will know by the end of this week. So this this show drops on tuesday by the end of this week. We're going to know more about college. Football stands on this. I really hope that they're gonna change anything. I hope it's that. The quarter finals are played on campus and not play. That'd be amazed sites the amazing. I think that would be a very logical thing to do. I'm not on that committee from the sounds of it. The proposal as it is or in some very close facsimile has a really good chance of drawing a consensus. So i think we're we're at a week from today is a spot where we know. A twelve team thing is going to happen really just waiting on the operational details. The wears the wins the house. Things like that. So i wonder how i wonder how much how this will affect. And it's a limited number of teams but a the number fan bases are going to expect to three games in the playoff right or maybe even four. Maybe something people are that ambitious how that affects people's travel plans. Okay i'm not gonna go to the away game and madison or i'm not gonna go to the away game in charlottesville or something like that. Because i'm going to hope that i can stay relatively local and go to atlanta the following week for the you know the peach bowl matchup team is in that. Was dan wetzel point. Dan wetzel point was fans. Aren't going to be able to afford all those games. Wranglings neutral site games so You know. I don't know how much of that cost. Element is alleviated by playing some games on campus. What about the family travel element to it as well. Well at the figure something out. But i'm the family. I mean they get it right now they get some money but they get some money that aspect of it just the on campus in the i mean i'd be fine with on campus the whole way through but they're not right do that but that quarterfinal round in particular They could find a way to play that on campus. I would say this is. This is a near perfect system for where we're at right now. They may also. But i really love that. I think that's the one thing that they can do. Better with more teams thinking. They have a shot at the playoff. I don't know how many you think by early. Mid-november still have a shot twenty twenty-five thirty something like that whole thing not correctly but are going to think that they are playoff-caliber and so if you have ten fourteen eighteen of those teams not make the playoff. How many of those teams would otherwise not be firing coach. Suddenly think they're too good for this coach and they should have been a playoff team. How many of those teams are going to be making irrational firing decisions. That are going to cost them a lot of money which then affect future years and years of hiring and business practices like the ripples are all over the place i love it. Well will right insolvable edgy. Gmo dot com. Would us know your thoughts. Follow along on social media as well and don't forget to check out our patriotic advert. Bowlers dot com as. He said the last couple episodes running. We are in the market for a social media intern. We've got a lot of awesome back. People who have written in who are interested in helping. Please keep those coming. This is the last time we're going to say anything but submissions at sullivan dot com. Submissions at solvable dot com. Please do inquire interested. If you've got some ideas that you like to share with us. We are always more than willing to hear out the footballer. Who dan. I wanna give people homework. Okay my home is as follows. It's very easy. What is the dream matchup that we otherwise would not have gotten again. I'm trying to do everything. I can to look at this and as many angles as with as many viewpoints as possible. What is the dream college. Football matchup that. We have not gotten that we could get in a campus stadium because of this playoff. Obviously it's the solid vir- bowl in eugene oregon notre dame oregon and eugene we would we would be compelled to go to autzen together. We'd have. We'd have to go to that but i'm just speaking for us that it's actually very easy for me to get to south bend to so that would be convenient. But what is your dream. Match-up either involving your team or not involving your team. It has evolved teams. That could realistically the next couple years. I mean the first couple of years that this starts twenty twenty three twenty four end up playing against each other. I know a lot of people look at like. Oh a southern team in like a frigid minneapolis or madison or an arbor winter. Whatever but just tell me like from a pure coolness standpoint what would the best possible matchup result. That would be unique. What would that be some verbal. Jamal dot com. We will also make sure that we post that question out on channel those places yeah everywhere. Okay that's all on show again. Keep your eyes and ears peeled for what comes next but it does seem as if a twelve team postseason format is on the verge of happening. 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Why Oklahoma Is A National Title Contender + The Perfect CFB Road Trip

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Why Oklahoma Is A National Title Contender + The Perfect CFB Road Trip

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It was kcbi bibs tommy. And trent case who's in the middle there was on the left and I was on the right. Casey fell asleep a few times. I fell asleep on jack's shoulder for like an hour. I'll leave that wedding. We left eleven thirty but we didn't get back. We went to like four mcdonald's before we actually only want for. We got to the one we got. We wanted fucking. We ordered forty. Mcdonald's forty mcnuggets. Four mcdonnell's four. Small fries a big mac. Three waters diet. coke coke. isn't mike. My credit card statements like fifty five dollars liam on mantell williams talk show listening. Oh fuck dude. You're all you're talking about as mississippi the first four back to each other and brandon's already telling jack shut the fuck up before the indra music is even rolled. Yes congratulate -gratulations. You're watching the youtube. You'll see he's showing us. He's a national champion national champion mississippi state university. Okay so baseball not football. The last there was awarded the most recent national champion. That's true brandon. Jack showed me this the other day. Some dude in our facebook group was furious. We talked about college. Baseball and college football podcast. Well some dude in our facebook check and suck my fucking dick okay. That is the sentiment. Most of the people in the facebook group had which was dude. Shut up. it's it's june. July june enjoy and mississippi. State like the sec. School also his school. he wouldn't have talked about. It had been one of our schools. I love that was like you want. Would you like to break down the weekend. Slate ser and my husband. I had to go out there. Because i mean we send somebody out there trying to grow the game and i had to. We had to have some star power out there. It was great content for the podcast trade. It all right you guys ready. I'm ready are you. How you doing casey. I've been doing all right. I would like a psa right now. My voice may give out at any point. I've got the. I have a cough cough going around the office right now. Dan big cat is claiming that it's everybody who's been at the jersey shore at some point in the last few weeks which it is checking out But i might die in the middle of this podcast so okay. Cool cool katie. How are you a little concern. Now i'm saying next. Casey but otherwise i don't have any other symptoms. She slept on my shoulder. And i have. I don't have the cough. Jack women talking for three minutes you. What's in that story twice. Yeah but that's a good location concern. Now i'm actually. I've i've probably need time to listen. I here's the thing i had. I had two options either to sleep on my producer shoulder or on vibes shoulder. Who is like dating one of my close friends. I felt like my producer was better support system there. Also your midway through. This is just your sleep body. It turned into like you want crawled up yelling. It was after marinas wedding. I had some alcohol. It happens who among us my god. Okay let's do it run through our ass shit to ten or man and we could not stop. We failed To make our coaching points in our points more compelling than their fat little girl. I may know how we don't know we need more dogs. Hi welcome to unnecessary roughness. Parcells college football podcast brought to you by the delicious. And the beautiful and the wonderful high noon are seltzer. They've got all the best flavors they got the peach in the lime in the raipur. The black cherry. It is all delicious. it's real juice. Real vodka for real people like you and me noon. They go everywhere we go and today. I am in still in mississippi. I am in my mother-in-law's basement but the other three idiots are back in manhattan high idiots. We ben in manhattan. What i why are we idiots. Why are you taking so many unnecessary shots at us. I knows the name of the podcast. But she did it. In one of your gas station reviews. You said who. Like if. I'm a dumb person. If i have to content with casey smith everyday what did i do to deserve that. I love when people get all upset about those. I've just. I'm just trying to fill fifty seven seconds of gas station content like i normally make fun of my boobs saul take it. I guess only two gas station reviews. Funnier boobs once and just your name the other time. So i'm getting shouted out i guess. Yea katie didn't even make the gas station review. Hi katie hi brandon. Are things find normal. Hold down the fort here in while you're gallivanting off mississippi. My grandmother died. So thank you for the condolences. So yeah huge. What you haven't you've said hi to them two times. Yeah you haven't said to me. Oh it's up dude going on. I try to tell him to be nice today. And it's just not working jack. How are you great when only be when we were seeing you in three d again conscious picked up another three star recruit victor rosa number to recruit state of connecticut. Class twenty two. Where did you just see that. That was thirty minutes ago. But i just sort of ticker in here brandon. When are we seeing you in three d again. How hard is it to be number. Two recruiting state chill chill. Chill chill chill aaron hernandez from connecticut and great brian. How was my second is. When am i going to be back back monday in the office. I'll be driving back. Friday and saturday and i'll be back monday and we'll be back on schedule. Which brings me to my next point. Katie were two minutes into the fucking show. No no it says okay recording. Yes okay that i leave. No you're still. You're still there okay. Okay so I'll be back next week and we'll be back in the office together and everything so my next asman is. I have decided. I've already mentally turned the corner towards football season and guys executive decision Starting august first. Let's go two times a week. love it car. I love that. I completely agree. Once the fourth of july holiday is over even though we still have. I think it's fifty eight days until kickoff. I looked at up yesterday. It is truly on like the downhill slide in a good way into college football season. One do you want to release. I don't know we'll figure that out it'll probably be sunday thursday like always Or you know record. Sunday sunday wednesday. Something like that. I don't know we'll figure it out two times a week august. I starting august first. Because i'm in that mode right now. Where everything i do every spare moment i have. I'm looking at either phil steele or an lon or watching highlights on youtube. I'm fully in college football mode. Now i am too. I'm going to be honest. I already wanting to get in fights with people on twitter. About stupid takes was in an every fight last night. It was awesome. Yeah you're you're mixing it up on the mentions. Oh i was throwing awesome. Great well we list these five games right. we advocate. He texted me the other day. There was katie. That was awesome. Yeah cheney literally texted me. While i was at the funeral and knowledge is afterwards remember what was hide it. But she she said you know. Give me your five most anticipated games this year so i sent him to her and i thought our five. They're all very similar. I think jack had one that. I wish i had thought of yet. Cincinnati notre dame which i think is fantastic katie and went kind of a different direction. Where she actually. Joe games are probably more importantly oregon washington. I mean in the context of that conference. It's very important May i went with light main. Casey both went like three or four. Non conference games in alabama and am and people are. I'm it's one of my techs. It's one of my takes. We're going to get there in a minute. But people were pupo. And casey for having alabama in miami number one. I had it number four and i thought that's fucking ridiculous. I mean everybody is so beaten down by how good alabama has been they kind of just intellectually themselves week one alabama miami. Everybody's gonna be watching that fucking game. It's going to be so much fun. And i mean yes when you look at the other games like you could say. Maybe they'll be more competitive as what we've seen the last few years to me opening weekend alabama miami. We don't know what miami's going to look like you know we we've said it they right there at the corner. We don't know what alabama's gonna look like crazy me that i think that's going to be a really fucking fun game to watch my take. Miami's going to cover in that game. Miami might win that game. Miami is not going to be a bad football team and everybody is just beaten down. By how alabama loads every year. This is a different level of reloading the alabama has to do. And they're not gonna win that game by thirty points like they always do and also and also the the fact that like it is. It's miami. I mean i understand. They've not been that good as of late. But it's still the university of miami. Like i love the fact that alabama and miami are playing opening weekend. It's a massive programs non conference game. Why would i not be excited. They were good. They were good last year. Miami was and the year before. I said miami was going to be good last year and because the year before catching up that even though the year they won six and seven and lost to louisiana tech in that random ballgame every single game was within seven points that they lost so i mean also backed advisers talking about. It's not good if the you paralyzed Talking about the unknowns. We don't know there was list that was released this week from pro football. Focus of the top quarterbacks that we're going to get into and they they're unknowns are the same known in one of the unknowns for me is how will dear king play towards acl. What december twenty eighth and the ballgame. How healthy will he be if he's listen if he's healthy. Alabama will win that by lot. But i'm banking on him being their rice young as well. Yes yes we're makin. Waves much older unknowns. We're gonna get to all that tracy the one prom you did. You had it number. One and clinton george has got to be in the moment. Now i i looked back and so i was sitting next to katie when she was making my graphic and i actually was gonna put clemson georgia but then i didn't want to all have the same number one across the board and so i was like well. I'll just mix it up a little bit so that it doesn't look like we're all having an exact same answers but the fact that they're i mean. Yes georgia clemson is a is a more probably more competitive game. But the fact that they're on they're on the same weekend right. Yeah wants to thirty and one's interest so that what hell of week one. We have a hell of a week one but all of these people who are like. Oh i'll have a casey smoking like all right. Dude i'll give you some good shit. I guess but like let's all relaxed here. And then when someone called you the name you don't like to be called. I was furious. You see that okay. So i have many trivia wins. Do i have to have. How many podcasts. Do i have to have where people will decide. I'm not a moron. Fucking guys got seventy dollars called me more from mississippi. I'm seventy five percent mortality. He's he's probably a moron yet and also like get better chirps people like if you like. Here's like he's called him more on from mississippi for reasons like that was like two seasons ago. Find something else by this season three for us. We just three and this is officially season. Three r wow so season three okay. Good well let's careful with that. So yeah sure still. It actually looks more like the germans see right glorious bastards that's all. They know that they're not germany. Let's put that down from what the germans do night. That's how they know they're americans shoot. What are you doing. The militia jack. What did what do we do. It's a secret okay. All right so let me let me quote the show. This is my knock on the door there or somebody door here nine here. You're in mississippi. By the way the seat that he's sitting on is just such an old person seat. This is a very mother-in-law house. Yeah it's awesome. It's awesome right out of an antique store. I'm i'm very much. I'm in my mother-in-law's guest room in ripley mississippi. That's where i'm at so let me lay out the show here. Because i want our own fire off several things I haven't been here to really focus on college football in a while. But i'm ready to focus on it now. Also we've got. I've got five takes. I would like to go ahead and get out there for the two thousand twenty one season. I want to go ahead squad on these takes. Okay those five Then we're gonna have our we're going to build our ultimate road trip for the twenty twenty one seasons. That's what we're gonna do. Yes so last week. Jack came with a great idea and he said we should go through the twenty twenty one season and pick the game of the week that we would most want to go to and we can't overlap stadiums. The problem was is it was just us and we didn't look at it beforehand. Were just staring at a schedule. Which does not make for a good podcast. Just doesn't make for for wonderful listening so we decided that we would all come this week with our list and then we would make an ultimate unnecessary roughness road trip for twenty twenty one less so we all disagree on said game. We have to argue about it. I know you said you wanted to draft. But i think we should squad up for once and pick one game each week so i went through several reiterations of several preparations. Preparations a through g didn't good preparation. H. is the one that is going to be on the whole. So i am going with a. I've got several. I got five games per week so that we can stop. What how long have you been planning not planning. What is something. I wrote all this out last night. No what you just said. How long have you been planning that. So i sat down last night with a pen and paper. I wouldn't ball. I'll tell you what you know. What's great about being down here. Walmart's walmart sleet. You know walmarts in new york. Buddy buddy listen where. I live in fucking jersey. Their nearest walmart's twenty two miles away. Okay i hear in every single town. The biggest building in town is walmart. The second biggest building is the oh walmart. Okay that's where i'm at right now. I am thirty seconds from walmart. I went and bought. Nineteen of these spiral bound notebooks for twenty five cents a piece. I am plucking ready. Let me walmart you know. What else on the air. A sonic i went to sonic sonics right out the front door. That's awesome great. I just showed katie. Why i stopped you on your preparation. H. on your whole comment. I had chili cheese. Tater tots route forty four. Sweet tea for lunch. Yes he made him. Roy are they had no idea and i had to let them know how discuss it. I am like picturing fourth tanks. We're gonna do the ultimate road trip correct. Yes and do you guys. Jackie had some. You wanna look at no. I just thought a pro football focus. Quarterbacks was interesting so as their top fifty players in college football this season list. I just thought we don't spend that much time on it. There were few interesting. I mean i don't want to ruin it but there's a quarterback on that list. That's very love. That is that link. Real quick okay that in law for those listening hours just pointing at somebody on our podcast of for somebody. That was loved the quarterback. That was well. I haven't seen that particular lists yet. You sent me the fifty best players in college football last night and i thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was fucking re So yeah we'll discuss that. I gotta get my takes off and anything else we got. Some news looks like oh yeah. We gotta talk about this kansas thing. Yeah yeah here's less miles a piece of shit. My column probably. Yeah yeah. I mean what a tweet by me. What's my kansas city star. Should be paying me for the promotion for them. Fifty thousand link clicks for the kansas city star from our account. That's the most they've ever had in their entire existence. Why didn't you just blog. Their story and get the clicks barstools forced to go to a wedding. And i didn't wanna be called the scumbag for not going. Who would do that. Yeah i know definitely. You definitely would have flown under the radar. Had you not gone to that wedding for sure. I never would've been invited that wedding. No no i know. But jack was invited And he chose to go to the wedding. Which was a smart move. In retrospect certain someone who didn't has gotten fucking roasted for it. You didn't have tickets to the bucks game. I didn't i couldn't even watch the wherein evening. Tv's at the place where at What am i got married this weekend. Everyone i think it's because finally the world is open for. I guess the country is open so everyone can have parties again Yeah i advise against getting married. You're playing at the right way. casey. I know i don't wanna get married. Sounds not great. To be honest. I had sex just two months ago. Thank you very much. Okay so i mean we talked about this routing. I talked about on our drive back from the shore house last weekend. You remember when we were in mississippi me rudy and katie. And you're like it's wild that the three of you guys don't necessarily know who the next person you're going to have sex with us and rooting our. It is really crazy. That like if you are married and you are a very loyal person like you just know who you're going to have sex with yup. That's a wild thing to think about. Every every tuesday night. After mac and cheese and pork chops. This doesn't sound like life for me. That's like chops love. Mac and cheese marriage is just not for me right now. Maybe one day we'll be. What's your favorite southern food. Because casey let me tell you something. I've had fried okra. I've had a i've had some are corn and people down of northbound enough. You know texas. What's sweet corn and some of the different collard greens or my favorite. I'm not a big green sky. But i liked it. They're available collard greens with like the really crispy bacon them. Put a little bit of vinegar on m. Oh hot sauce you like hot sauce. I put hot sauce on literally everything. But damn you get some fresh cooked collard. Greens and bacon and vinegar. Some hot sauce by the way. I ran into meredith again. Who had last year's blonde haired girl. She had cancer and she said you were struck. I ran into her in omaha. Took a picture with her and she said to send it to you. But i forgot about it until now well send it to me anyways i will. I will meredith of shutout. She can't say. Should we talk about kansas. The dumpster fire. So it's a dumpster. Fire that was. I don't think it's dumpster. Fire now because i believe rosa was speaking of kansas like one the hiring process this year. I think they hired a good coach. Landslide poll from buffalo. And they got a lot of transfers buffalo. I think kansas will be considerably better team from the absolute who knew that when we were all wrong we were all stupid two years ago when they hire less miles. You're like finally kansas. Get serious about football. Finally kansas hiring a real football coach finally less miles getting another opportunity. It turns out no he he was trash at kansas. He was trashed. Lsu human. Ming and now it comes out that there was a player at kansas who was going through some things and another player threatened to kill him and when he went to less miles in the kansas administration. They didn't do anything about it. They just offered him fifty thousand dollars to shut up welp just unbelievable. What do i make it to make it worse. The guy the kid wasn't from what the story that was written in the kansas city star made it seem as if it wasn't necessarily that he was going through something. He reported anonymously to the kansas athletic department that the players that live below him or selling drugs and then they. I assume those players put two and two together instead. It must have been him. Who anonymously reported they knew anonymously reported because less miles brought them in to his office to say talk ab- ar- i think miles just said. Hey stop that shit. Just so you know. It's on people's radar when less miles found out. People under steam were selling drugs by the way kansas stunk under last mile so those three players whoever was who knows if they're so on the team they they may they. They probably weren't even that good to keep around to like to while they selling drugs and then after that then they became a little bit robbery. Saying we're gonna kill you because you were snake snitch. Also like the little details of like he would notice that the lug nuts on his tires would just be loosened. That's fucking terrifying. I know the the guy the player that was threatened to be who is threatened fucked three players on the kansas football team. That didn't fuck around and not in a good way on a tire like that is like no. They threatened to kill him they wanted to. Yes but i mean just like that's like just in the next level i mean threatening. I'm gonna fucking kill you to your face like that's just like doing sneaky. Shit i think they actually. It wasn't going to kill you. Threaten like what mcgregor said. This was like no no no. We're gonna kill you you just don't know how can i just say one thing of course again that if any body every threatens to kill me and barstool tries to get me shut up with fifty thousand dollars I i'm going to take the money fifty k. k. our probably negotiate up to one hundred. But yeah i'm definitely taking the money in shutting up for sure i don't if they know because again by one hundred. Hey good. that's an outdoor kitchen. There's a double. You're gonna leave your kids without a dad. Well i feel like they're not. They're at least going to fix the problem too. And gimme the nine asli reporting trying to get the problem. Fixed only got worse. What's going to happen after you take the hundred k. o. Then they're going to want the money they're gonna rob me and kill me. Yep exactly so you're dead and you don't even have an outdoor kitchen like leave and go stay with his family like the witness protection program. Fuck that. I think outdoor kitchens or so bad ass air so bad outdoor showers or even better though. Oh outdoor showers or boss to or anything that should be inside really outdoor. Tv's outdoor anything at your house. That should be inside is is a boss move. That's point except outdoor toilets. I mean you're very poor. Yeah no we don't. We don't want that but outdoor outdoor showers and outdoor kitchens are definitely the top of my list but yeah this situation is so it's just like v fifty thousand dollars to tell some kid to shut up and go home isn't even offering fifty thousand dollars. They offered him a. It was acquainted. The fifty thousand dollars. It was his scholarship and then his per diem so he got fifty k. And his trip home. Don't worry i'm not really worried about the player and what they offer. This is just further proof that les miles is just a colossal piece shitting. There's all this stuff he's tied to at lsu with sexual assault and the hiding nats. There's and then he got this like less. Why don't you just fucking handle some business one time. Why don't you fuck and say hey don't kill this guy entre say hey. You're going threaten to kill somebody. You're off the team. Hey stop people know you just want to win. Football games. less less is done done now. He's dunzo he's on the dunzo list for sure and the more that comes out the it's like. How did kansas not do their due diligence with all this stuff with him. That's what i'm so confused saying. This happened at kansas. But we had this exact same conversation. The last time information came out about him. How can does not know this was happening. Did they just not care. Do they not look for it was it. Was it hidden who knows but he seems like a real bag of shit. Well the one thing i say about kansas they got new athletic director. They got new everything new cultures. They seem to be going in a in a positive direction. Like i said. I love the jokes landslide buffalo. I think he's a legitimate coach that they finally got instead of a character less miles in a really shitty asshole character unless miles brandon. You told me that you died at the college world series in omaha. You're you're actually legitimately dead for a couple of hours. Are you feel now. Well let me tell you a more updates story okay. This is about revitalize this is about the drink that sponsored us. That has absolutely fantastic. Their strawberry. Drink is my favorite tasting drink in the world. But about friday last friday i decided to go play golf down here in mississippi of my friend. And you guys now. I yeah i do names bradley barton. He's homeless fan. So we we go out. We play a little golf. I play twelve hulls. And then i pass out and i get my head get migraine now. The last time this happened in new york. I my migraines started setting in when i had to run on the treadmill and we went back to the office i got a couple of revitalize drag down went away. I was fine. I was able to to get everything this time. I did not have ri- light and try another drank. Needless to say the migraines set in. And i was toast all night bombing. Everything they've just i overeat a lot and i needed my revived light. 'cause it takes care of me and i don't even know that's a story. They won't open. I lived well. I mean they want people to know that it rehydrate you for shortcuts. All those electrolytes back in you. I'm sorry that you pass out after twelve holes. That's a sad sight but to add here tasing stand on. New york's not going outside and mississippi. I grew up in texas asshole. Well i grew up in mississippi hot. It was ninety degrees and it was not the heat humidity. I know i know it's hottest fuck. I'm saying this. Which is why you need to take provide alight with you. Meanwhile those of us that were maybe on the east coast drinking a little bit. I needed revitalize very badly. Because it's really good when you're dehydrated. It's good when you're hung over. It tastes amazing. Like you said the orange one is my favorite. But the one that's popping right now is the black label the barstool black label the blue one. We made our own version. Has that stool and stars on it. You can get it right now at convenience stores the barstool sports store and get liquor stores and i say this all the time and i really can't say this enough the fact that you don't have to look like an asshole shopping with the baby. Shoppers is my favorite part of this drink. Like going to get the other brand while you're standing next to like baby. Wipes is so incredibly awkward to me but that blue flavor that we did is also delicious. It's fantastic strawberry the blue flavors. Very good e- drink half before you go to sleep half when you wake up. You can drink throughout the day like we do. Whether you're dehydrated from working out it does truly help your hangovers. And we're all partying right now. Most of us are so make. Sure you go grab your provider light again. You can tag at drink provided light and your morning after stories the partial sports store and get your vitali black label today and if we don't pass like brennan did twelve holes. Sounds like a fun saturday dan. Okay relax all right. This morning frank. Solich Step down and ohio ohio by the way one of the favorites to win the mac they're They're very good team very program and he is stepping down so what that means as old teddy bear. Mack brown is now the oldest coach in college football. Yeah what a saint and still he did and teddy bear. That's a compliment. Hold on katie. That's literally what you told me before. The show i was like. Oh so you said. Yeah matt grounds the oldest coach in football. I just repeated your fact. yeah. I'm not saying it's a bad thing you're like. Yeah well so. I kind of spicy today Nubile my thing like why does he do it so close the year to the loser because he just found out how sick he is right to health issues. My i missed that part of the announcement. Yeah it's health concerns. No doesn't really worry about old people and their death surfing roles or anything you know it was funny katie. Everything was fine when you did. Text me that i was sitting. I was listed in the funeral. I was answering you. I was like okay. Well i was thinking about the games. I was googling the game. Well then you sent the follow text. Don't worry about it so put my phone number one. okay. I love that you were just like. Oh shit i gotta get her these interesting because then i text her and i said do i need to get them to you today or to tomorrow when i'm not drinking. And she goes. Well is at a funeral so we can revisit this. I was like all right. So brandon is like mourning the loss of a family member. And i'm too drunk to look these games up so this is the ground. I don't think we ever got on the phone. This is the grandmother who was a huge alabama fan. And i think. I tried to call her show a couple times last year to mess whether about alabama but So she announcement she she got buried with a bear bryant hat and an alabama crimson tide blanket inside the casket slalom huge huge alabama fan. So often it was at her request. Yeah yes she was. She used bigtime alabama when they cleaned out our house where the clinton house now just elephants and all his roll tide shit. I didn't get anything but a couple of cookbooks. So when any alabama monrovia. No i don't i do. I do cook cookbooks. So any o'reilly autoparts hats or no. No no we're actually related to dylan. He okay dolan says he was. Could he make the funeral or was he had a chef. Not oh no no. It's too close tuscaloosa. He didn't know how to get the guy. Got it so all right more news anymore years. I don't think there's a whole lot of news news. Stay tattoo guys they want. They're asking for all their stuff to be reinsert. Which brings me to a question. I'm sure you guys talked about it on the show Last week or last two weeks but with the passing and with players allowed to get money now. Is it time to forgive every player that ever got punished for taking money. Is it time to forgive. Every booster ever gave money. Is it time to forgive. Every coach that ever got busted and got out of the business because he was giving players money. Is it time to do all that ordeal you say no. You were the rules dan. You broke them so you're always look data's now cast i mean my inclination is say yes. You should forgive all of them. But i know that's not what's going to happen. Like the big one is should reggie bush get his heisman. But we talk about that. And i said i thought he should have gotten it back even before the. Nfl stuff came out. I thought it was always ridiculous. We know who won the heisman. The year that reggie bush won the heisman. I think they should get vince young. Who should have won the heisman. I i'm a big. I'm a big proponent of five years after the awards given out let's do a should have won it if the guys on the guy who wanted should've let him keep but otherwise you know. Give charles woodson's peyton manning against roy smith's to somebody else in theory that would be. That would be great rugby electric tv though like the master ceremony. How they have to put the green jacket on the next winter like they have to just hand them their trophy like marketing room had dom consume went to marketing rooms house and had to repossess myself. The heisman i watch would be fantastic. I have a few news notes. Go ahead all right. We'll start arkansas. Wisconsin and notre dame offensive line were all sponsored by barbecue places. All in their respective college towns. I think that's great right. Barbecue in arkansas is gonna send us. Some barbecue is great. Their official offensive line. Sponsors of the arkansas razorbacks i. We'll see they're going to send us some some barbecue up him. Unblock me on twitter okay. I'll ask them that to Then this was interesting. I'll front this was from july six cave on. Which is who's probably gonna be a top five pick. Yeah his first. Deal was with phil knight in tinker hatfield who were both loaded and both big boosters of the oregon program and it was just an art piece. So are we going to see kind of you know some businesses. We'll just have somebody on staff pay them one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year. Just be just to do whatever because like they're like a friend a family or something like that though. You see that in organized crime a lot is that what boosters are gonna i feel like boosters are gonna start working like mafia members shot just we're just in a transition period. It will be confusing. It will be it will be hard to follow for awhile. Guys will be getting their money but eventually the incidentally will just say you know what controlling this is is like controlling a flow a dam or controlling a raging river this leading towards him getting actual salaries eventually five ten years down the road. It's wide open now. I don't know it's the wild west. I mean whatever a guy can get. He's gonna get who the guys who've been now make no mistake. The boosters like I don't want to accuse phil knight something but big boosters at schools paying players for a long long time and now they can legally do it right the report on their taxes. Now that's all that changed that anyways they were just lying about what it was so i mean it's like it's murky it. You don't really know what's going on. But i think you can just rest assured that players are getting taken care of now and it will streamline himself into a sensical system very very soon. That's what i mean anytime. There's money it will eventually figure itself out in the official way possible. Well i'm brandon. What i said when we talked about it a couple of weeks ago was that it is also going to be like the snowball effect because you know they came out and they said you can't do alcohol or onlyfans or gambling. Whatever but then they basically said you can do anything else other than byu and coffee. But that's gonna start getting murky to like. I think it's going to get messy. 'cause they're gonna to start finding ways to cameo like all of these things are not gonna be able to regulate so it is moving towards the salary thing for sure but like the the idea is amazing the way that it was implemented all of a sudden you can just do whatever you want outside of adult high brands like. It's going to be a pain in the ass for a lot of people think that's the best way to ensure for sure footing into it would have been a mistake. I love it. I'm saying that. I don't think that schools and obviously the nc double a. Who are just got clowned. Basically it's going to be very very hard to have any type of containment on. This aren't so anymore. yes ruckers. Wide receiver karnal davis was knocked out on july fourth and the jersey shore. I don't know if you saw that video. That was not a good video. Should say that he. He was injured. Dimitrius roberson he used. He was a big recruit when he came out as wide receiver. He was at callan. he went to georgia. He transferred the auburn and then conveniently there. Is the report surfaced again. The georgia media decided to put out that. He has a felony charge against him. Which is actually just stemming from like parking in the wrong place at the university of georgia. A then there was one tuffy to third. Oh my god. Did you see that dog. Just a creature that is on my only thing. He was walking out there. And then i'll fly like flew through and he got his attention for a second. You haven't only thing about that. It is as you an see fan. I just gotta say. Nc state cute dog and much better than those two bowls that i got to say about cheap perfect team in perfect dog. They the wolfpack. They have a dog as their mascot. You come out wolfson. dogs are like the same. That looks like a wolf. it's a husky but it looks like a wolf. Looks like what do you expect them to have a role that they can just tame. They contain a tiger but they Spot i fucked up. That's fucked up. How that tiger tiger should be in the wild dog is domestic. Dog is bracing guard carolina. Did you see this photo this guy. Yeah crop top gang. I love that and then this wait till it gets back to talk about this. I refuse to shame that katie. What he's like. So what's your problem with reveille. She's not an aggie. Come back on that one asshole. Nc states arrival the whole pack of wolves not their mascot derive credits. untidy is not a fucking elephant. Bring you won't alabama logistics a whole bunch of water and just the stadium and kill everybody. They want you think they haven't thought about having an elephant. Walk them out. I got some bad news for your. They've definitely tried to do that. But he's saying that if you went through to the actual mascot named that they would just drown everyone at bryant denny. 'cause they're the roll tide. Oh that would be unbelieving tides. Got right how about today. You're sorta snacking. They just drop a swarm of yellow jackets. Now don't do that. Don't do casey. We're not gonna talk about that okay. One last thing casey. We're going to talk about this texas a guy. Did you see this brandon. The kid dancing locker room. Whatever over these we always. We're not shaming wiggle. Dickey was six actually are no or not. I'm not knowledge to let them too stupid either way. I have some beef with you guys ben. Grinding away at this social account for four years shane. Beamer reaches out to us on the social account. And i text twice in our group chat shane. Beamer falls us. Shame beater just tweeted out. Shane interactive us with stephen garcia. No reply outside of katy. Which i understand things went on but but i do right now and like come on guys. My grandmother died. I don't remember this. Why should i go the group tax. It's back when i hit a live in grandmother. No it's not. Jesus condolences to the marshall football player. That unfortunately passed away and tanner morgan's father tender morgan the quarterback from minnesota who passed away That was really unfortunate And outside of that. I think we re tweeted. All of it umass. Football is back. To full capacity. To not are there ever will be full capacity. Oh cases tattoos got updated. Yeah was the update the gig to your forehead. No it's always been there. He got more details on my face. Apparently that's so creepy. Yeah he definitely. I mean that's my face tattooed on a man's thigh all right brennan. Let's get your five takes takes already given one. No i haven't is. She did what was it. I just remember. You said this is your take. Oh it's a part of my take. Okay here are my five tech's okay if you read. Where's he going through what he's doing. He's test okay number one. Every year we walk into a season and there is this theory out there of non non-fossil fans had. Oh it's going to be one of three teams every year. Only three teams when it's alabama state every year. Here is the thing in twenty twenty one. Alabama clemson and ohio state are not going to be down as programs however alabama clemson and ohio state are all going to be down enough that it opens up the field for more parody at the top of college football this season if you walk in the season it's alabama. It's clinton is ohio state. you're robbing yourself of a wide open top of the field and comfortable and this year there are two teams to programs that while right into that are just as strong as those three. So that gives us five. Then there's others like notre dame texas iowa state that are in that six to fifteen range that can compete for a playoff spot. I think there are five programs. This year that our ultimate national title contenders and i would put one of these teams who i've had it on the past as my co national title favourite. As of right now george that same i of hate on in the past. I have realized over the off season. They will finally twenty twenty one of the team that their fans have pretended. They've had the whole time. It's the oklahoma sooners. So i show her number five and six georgia and oklahoma four and five. Or yes. okay. I believe that alabama clemson georgia. Oklahoma are your five national title tier teams this year. The second tier has your am dame's Your your other teams but this year. That here is not very teams. It's five oklahoma. May have a defense this year. Oh oklahoma so so two years ago. Oklahoma fans were wrong when they said oh we have defense. We have even now. Jovan new orleans and joe burrow talks from ninety five touchdowns now they actually have one. They have a pass rush. They have good defense. They have a lot coming back on the defense. They're an actual decent defense now and they're all fence their main. They're only question. Mark to me is spencer. Ratna really elite or is he oklahoma elite. Because there's oklahoma elite they can win in the big twelve and went on a conference title and playoff shit the bit or there's really elite which is a national title. I don't know if he's really. We'll find out. But i mean having a stroke their receiver core very very good at always is mems other guys. They are you. Yeah why because he hates oklahoma. No no no. No no no. He's rational home. Walk tells the truth. At all times brandon walker has never lied about oklahoma brandon. Walkers always been right about oklahoma. So when brian walker finally looks at a woman says legit then you better fucking put the money down there legit. They finally got legit running back. Like kennedy brooks each just a guy. But they got eric great from oklahoma from tennessee. They got like four or five transfers from tennessee they can fill immediate holes for. They're very very very good this year. Georgia's my choice to win the national title. But i think it's george oklahoma. Wanted to this year. Do you think that okay. Let's let's hypothetically say spencer rattler is elite. Does he win the heisman. Well he'll certainly be in the running for Then we will. We do the heisman machine. They've waited conference play defense. They will be an all the marquis games. And he will be in playoff contention so yeah. He'll probably be in your for the heisman ceremony. i think. Jt daniels in highland ceremony for given these guys stay healthy But if you alabama clemson hieaux state everybody just assumes assumes assumes and that's fine but two years ago alabama was not in the playoff. They weren't and they're not. You know ordain to be there every year and this year. Everybody assumes bradshaw shaw going to be great right is going to be that because alabama's quarterback that he's like five six and he's probably gonna be really fucking good but i can't put them above somebody who spent spencer rattler who's proven it at this level so i like home my second. Take my second take. And this isn't five because i like combined like three in that one. I think the big twelve can be the number two conference in the country this year by the sec behind the sec and challenged the thing about it if texas is any good which is which is a stretch. And steve sarkissian. Everybody thinks he's gonna be great. He's forty six and thirty five line. Tom but if they're good that gives them a strong three because iowa state a national title contender there second tier national title contender and oklahoma's the first year titled too. I mean i don't think the acc has to. I don't think the big ten is your has to you. Don't think that. Acc with clinton north carolina. And here's the thing about north carolina. They have the best quarterback in the country. They lost every receiver both running backs. He is going to be surrounded by entirely new guys. Offensively defensively they'll be good but i don't think they're they're jumping to that level yet. What about miami. Miami's a wildcard. I think they could be on eleven one team and can pretend they also could be a mirage right. I just i mean. I think that this year the acc would be more of an argument that they could contend as a compost. Okay yeah why are you doing lines of cocaine. No no no no i. Just i'm sorry. My nose etched in. Okay jack can. I disagree about a unc. I'm done the. I think that you will be fine and reload. I just don't think we can get by. So i don't think like we'll be the top of the acc but just if an act makes clinton it's not going to be us by some maybe miracle of god otherwise clemson never really lose. It will last year notwithstanding how they never lose the second best team in the acc. They always randomly lose like the fifth or six best thing. They actually say someone. Yeah you know who that is going to be for them this year. Nc state nc state nc state is going to be good but see. That's my argument with that. Is that like the. I think that the acc is more of a much better than see. Stay away way. More competitive conference has been because trevor lawrence has gone quarterback wise. I'd say what the top i will say does fit the narrative that clemson's playing nc state at clemson nc state never beat clemson at their own stadium. They always beat them. Or what i mean. I think. I like i'll admit yes nor nc states arrival unc. For i just don't. I'm not worried about them from a football standpoint. Maybe a rivalry but that's definitely something they can sneak up. They have the talent and the depth this year. They're planning raleigh now. They're not yet. They are weak forward-planning raleigh. i love it. He said no. They're not as if it was just absolutely they made my list for week four I will say though with ohio state. I was talking to big today. Like and again. Everybody's always excited about the next guy after you'd have somebody like justin fields but he's stoked about this new quarterback of course he is because he's a fucking ohio state fan who stoked about anybody that wears the gray and the scarlet. He's he's stoked now and then next offseason he'll be stoked. Quinn the the recruit from texas is like the highest recruit. They've ever ever twenty four seven has them as a perfect one. Point zero zero zero zero. He's a higher recruiting. Trevor along the four obsessed with this guy bleacher report put out an answer grim posting. We've identified next. Patrick mahomes about quinn. You're he still has another year of high school and high school. Does he go to somewhere in texas. Carol oh yeah dona southlake carroll turns him out now they do but still. I mean like yeah. He's he's excited about. Jt shrout for for for a week for a month and then it'll be the next guy. Here's the thing about ohio state clinton alabama every single one of them replacing their quarterback every single one of them replacing their main running back every single one of them and alabama's replacing every receiver. Four ram receivers over the last two years. I understand their alabama and understand. There's going to be a bunch of five stars but you've got teams like oklahoma and georgia that are built for this season. Just like lsu was built for two thousand nine hundred and nobody saw coming oklahoma and georgia built for this season. Alabama's not alabama's hoping that they got a quarterback. They're hoping they got running backs. They're hoping that. Always be great. Receivers but oklahoma georgia railroad now. I like the oklahoma. Take to him. And you know that. I've been team oklahoma for last three years until they get to the playoffs. But the biggest thing that you said which is absolutely true and you know big twelve fans lose their fucking mind every time we say this but the big twelve does not play good defense in comparison to other conferences but if oklahoma can play good defense in the big twelve then it will be a cakewalk for them. I do that. the big twelve. Hasn't been playing good defense this year. I has got a great defense. Oklahoma's got a great defense. Oklahoma state has a really good defense so this year i think but you don't even have to like compare them to like an sec defense or big ten defense like they just have to be a good defense within their conference because half the teams. Don't play defense. Yeah no. That's true. And i just think a objectively looking at oklahoma always looked at him as a phony as a fraud as somebody who could win that legal bill for that league but when they get in their lead athletes they could not hold up. And that's been the case this year. I think they have the elite athletes plus the elite the teams what the elite athletes a crimson alabama and ohio state are all in transition years. He's not all strength years for them. These are all transition years for them so And their transition years are better than anybody else's great years but it's still transition year so i think that's why i think oklahoma is a legitimate. Not just a threat to get to the playoff when they get there. I think they can actually win. This time welcome brandon. No not welcome. You'll you'll get a squad on mistakes sees me. You mocked me for saying spencer rattler was going to be really good quarterback. I drafted oklahoma. Lash saying jalen hurts was great and then they can win a national title. Then that was ridiculous. No i well. I didn't say they could win a national title. I knew they were going to lose the playoff. But i said that jalen hurts was a good quarterback but when we drafted teams last year. You're like oh. She's gonna like spencer rattler just because he's an oklahoma quarterback here. We are a year later welcome. There's a difference last year and this year last year. He had never proven anything. He was fine. i knew melting. So it wasn't an elite. He was fine lost two games but this year. I think he's going to be a lot better now. my next he's rubbing his hands together. I if you're listening to this and not watching the youtube you're really doing yourself a disservice. Because brandon's facial expressions hand gestures today have been off the charts. I think the new playoff will drive an exciting surge of group of five football. And i think group of five football is about catch fire. I think it's about to open up the sport. This happens in the next five to ten years. But once you see group of five teams able to get playoff spots and once you see a cincinnati. Let's use us ninety for example. No jettison like him. But let's they're the best provide team this year. Let's say look thicker to stay there ten years and they in the first year of the expanded playoffs. They made it and they made it again all of a sudden. You've got a group of five alabama. You've you've got a group of five program that can that can absolutely stick up there and make the playoffs every year and it changes the dynamics. Cincinnati now maybe sucks a little bit of life away from ohio state. I'm just using him as example. I don't know if that's really going to happen. But i think these top nine or ten group of five teams can have such a competitive war every year for these ten eleven. Twelve spots the cincinnati's the ucs the memphis The the boise state of the world nevada's of the world. I think this is going to be such an exciting subtexts to the season. Everybody says only three games matter every year. Still gonna anthony teams know when you get these fucking sixty teams fighting out for these three two or three spot one or two spots. It is going to be fucking electric. And what does it mean like. Let's say let's say a cincinnati were to catch fire okay. We'll say they were catching fire. Let's say just for argument's sake they. They made four five playoffs in a row. Does the big ten say. Hey cincinnati come dance. I don't know is that certainly this integrated fourteen. I can make that happen. Yeah i mean it's gonna get really interesting because we knew with four spots in the playoff that a group of five team was ninety. Nine point i'm gonna say ninety nine point. Five percent never going to make the playoffs even if they went completely undefeated because having four spots and five power conferences. Whatever like that was impossible so they were all fighting out for those at large bids in the bowl games. Now with the expanded playoff. You're absolutely right. Because they know that they could actually make it on a stage where they play the ohio states in the alabama's and the clemson's and all of those games matters so much. That's why i hate this. Whole argument of like expanding. The playoff makes the regular season matter. Less it does not. It makes it matters so much more to teams like cincinnati. Because they know they might have a chance to go in and beat nick sabin in the playoffs if they play well throughout the season so i love it and also from a gambling standpoint. It's going to be really fun. Because like now i mean you already gambling like the big group of five games. Now you're going to be paying attention to the group of five even more so so a couple more takes There's this notion out there that. Lsu is going to bounce back this year. and. I think it's fucking stupid. It's like say that. I've liked to squat on the tape. That lsu was average last year. That will be average this year because they have an average head coach and they have they have above average talent but they went out and found a defensive coordinator. Nobody else wanted they. They're not gonna be bounced back program. Jack i don't want to deal with the lsu smoke. Don't don't let this particularly. I just wanna tell you lsu saying they're gonna win tantalum games. No no they're really not so. Where do you think are going to be. Here's the i think the sec's a little down this year. I think alabama's gonna be good not elite. I'm sorry sued. Limited rephrase at alabama by alabama standards will not be elite right. You're not saying alabama is going to be bad. I keep wanting to preference just like in your last week when you say clinton in alabama teams go. This is a lower tier. Alabama team can still a god tier college football. I think alabama georgia or your top three sec teams after that four four four for thirteen minus vanderbilt are the exact same auburn lsu. Arkansas almost florida kentucky. Put them all in a sack thrown around in your drawn out the same team. Even though mrs offense their defense might be the worst in the country and plus listen. I wanna say this about. I a. I'm looking forward to watching them. This year lane kiffin. Great father figure to those those players out there. I think. I think anybody daddy would love to watch this year. He's he's just a great. He's able to baby that team and he's he's just a very good father figure. I just wanna say that about lane kiffin. I won't say anything else but Stephen garcia just followed me on twitter. You did because anyways. I am just now. He just followed me on twitter. Okay super okay. We're just gonna brag about stephen ross. Well no. I'm saying that jack was right about us. Not interacting with the tweet had we interacted with shame. Beat roy whatever By the way brennan dino. Lsu's win total eight and half. yeah under. i think i'd take the over. I would think over. There's you guys you're falling. Let me tell you another thing. I don't see you talk. Let me tell you this. Oh boy not his hand going under a statement right now. They're losing the ucla week one now. They shot actually. I've ucla has a game ahead of time. That first game. Okay okay fine. I'm writing the some people. I what's the date. It's they have six starters back. They've sixteen starters back last year. They replacing entire team. They also had pollini who may have been the worst as the defensive coordinator of all time and then on top of that. Their schedule isn't that hard. They avoid georgia they avoid. I think they avoid florida. I'm no they don't they play. They play florida of course when we saying. But then they have to play. Bama and i'm of course and then between ole miss and florida. I think they could even find a way to win because they play florida at home and look. I think they'll lose out almost all right. I mean that's the ucla Lsu line right. Now i would assume it's like where's the minus four and a half it's at ucla. I would take plus four and a half right. Now you gotta. Ucla favor about time getting kicks off all the way. That's that's crazy. How they play before the game before like year. Four chip kelly chip kelly. Kelly is ever going to be any time for coach. Oh to i would say it's time for him. Did you see that list. Somebody tweeted us. That look i told you tweeted from the not on it. Yeah is he is. You just can't i don't love in lsu over under to win. Totals next excreta. Bring your bring your brandon. Really your favorite Win totals next week. Okay well write that down. Did you see this hottest. Coaching seats heading into twenty twenty one list. I do scott. Frost is number one. Do you agree with that. I think i do. I although i think. Today's news of albert's being named the nebraska led richard. Pryor buys them a year. Hotel is five. Jim harbaugh is six. Clay helton is seven day. She is to me number. One edwards seems okay so number one is scott frost to is wednesday. Three is is randy. Edsall four herm edwards five coach. Oh six jim harbaugh. Seven clay held in eight. Walt bell and nine dana daimona. You tip what. Her members is only only lasts. Because of what's going on behind the scenes i don't think for anything that's on the field So we'll we'll figure that out but yeah probably safer. Wednesday should be number one two and frost. Frost is a very strong one or two. But again i think five hours the football guy being hired. Today's buys him a year. I don't think he walks in and fires hometown. Guy in your that anymore anymore. Hot takes you. Yeah well there was one more So jack mentioned lsu's over under and a half. I think the over under total that. I would marry myself to the most right. Now is indiana under Eight and a half. I think in the end of the the biggest fraud from last year. It is assume there will be a top fifteen team this year. In fact michael. Junior is number five on that pro. Football focus quarterbacks list. I think that is one of the dumbest thing. I've seen in my life and say he is nowhere near the fifth best quarterback in the country. They're going to start owen one. They're gonna start one and two. I looked at their schedule earlier. They're gonna start two and three. They're gonna start three and four. They've got some really tough games early. They go to penn state as well. Indiana is going to be. They're gonna fall their face. Yeah that's the place. Cincinnati in outta conference. I can i say this. And i know we only had to go one year without it because it was the global pandemic but these these non conference matchups sound so sexy if they would sound sexy the sexy if we didn't have last year happen but boy do these non conference matchups. Shout out the big ten. The big ten steph. One was conference games. Big ten week. One has penn state wisconsin and indiana. You know where they start at at iowa owed one Then they they got cincinnati and three. They got at penn state in week. Five they atalaya stay. Stay at home in week. Seven at michigan week nine. They're gonna they're gonna be flirting with lucy's in all season indiana interesting wait. You know who. Indiana was last year brandon. Yup what happened the minnesota the year after their breakthrough fell apart that. Yeah that's what. I was getting it. I'm not sold on indiana being a one and done entirely but there were a fraud last year their best win was not getting blown out mile high ohio state. No it's hard to tell like especially like look at the michigan and penn state. You don't really know how much of its covert. How much of it is a year. How much of it is just the environment. Like i think penn state will have the biggest bounce back out of all of them. I think penn state is a is a great candidate for for bounceback. Michigan's not going to be fine. But i don't think. I don't think it's going to be like bounce back to where michigan fans want them to be. I mean who's really do for like lsu has to be. They only five and five michigan. I mean again the fact that we knew they probably wouldn't fire jim harbaugh last year of the fact that gave him an extension. It was good for them to give him extension. They got they didn't have to pay him as much money. Show all right here. We go wait. Hold on yes. Can i go get another water. My throat's dry go literally a high washington. Will i guess they didn't. That's not bounced back. Because they were supposed to be in the pac twelve championship game phil steele's number one. Is it surprise team or and who was. Who was his number one overall team. Wasn't someone surprising. Oklahoma is oklahoma which is rising. But i would say that i mean. I don't think there's a lot of places out there that have oklahoma number one. I agree and i the thing about the home as if you study them. The the problems they've had recently are having actual defense and not a fake defense but now they feel so many holes with with transfers they probably hit the transfer. Puerto harder and better than anybody. They got tennessee tennessee. Good players and eric gray. I think it's an all american. Running back. waiting happened and they picked up that wide receiver from arkansas. I recall correctly and didn't even made him just when they need them and they had a running back or age back that got arrested and kicked off the team this past week but i looked into it. They don't need them. He was just one of one of like fifteen options this year. Heading into the season for spencer rattler oklahoma lincoln riley. I know there's a lot there's a big a lot of questions out. There is a leak coached. Not just a great coach. But i completely agree with you. They really have a chance to become. Maybe something maybe they take a step forward. I know that's crazy to say because they've made the playoffs so many times. Maybe i guess stuff forward to be winning a playoff game. That's that's the step right. I mean they get the playoffs. They haven't proven they can win in the playoffs. So that's that's what. I think all right. Let's filled are alternate road trip for wanted to that. Yes also. I'd just like everyone to know that. Normally we do this podcast. And the podcast. And i just barged in there like it was and then do we go dying but i wake up with a cough tomorrow. We know where it came from. The whole the whole fucking office has it. So who's an impoverished one. I didn't even look. I just realized it wasn't kate amos crew. Oh yes i think but. I don't wanna walk in on unsolicited anus. I know well. Oh katie remind me to tell you story after this pike. Oh no okay. I don i. Now i'll be getting. Dm's to tell them that story. 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We're going to build the best road trip okay. Twenty twenty one with the that of one stadium visit and you can only see a team twice so you can't visit us one stadium more than once and twice fourteen. Okay all right so Any other rules. Nope all right Let's see so. What i did was i went through every week and wrote at least five potential games I have seven week seven week three. So how'd do. You guys won't talk about. Do we want to nominate a game Every every person nominates a game from one week to and then we'll decide on what our game is. Yes so so we will. I think that we should just go round the table like week one. What are number one nomination is and if it's unanimous than we know if it's not then we argue it or we'll go ladies first. Casey starts then then. Katie a. redoing zero. Why don't we go to hawaii. Hawaii ella okay. Yes sir put that down. We're going to hawaii or do you want to go to fresno we can go sound. We're going to hawaii okay. I do not want to go to fresno california week. One despite i graphics saying that it would be alabama vs miami. I say we go to georgia. At clinton yes agreed. So you're you're nominating. George clinton at charlotte. So that's a neutral site. Yes i am agreeing with her. All right well here. The ones i thought of yet to nominate one. I thought of penn state it wisconsin indiana iowa. I cross off list because of all the stupid ass bitches. Iowa sneaky one sneaky one north carolina and virginia tech on friday nights. I saw that one. I saw that one too. Not build about lsu ucla but i think unanimously we will. We will go ahead and decide best game of the week. We will knock out now here. You're gonna think. I think okay so this is taken away. George clooney hit those teams one. More time yes. He doesn't take but it doesn't take away tire stadium though. Yeah so that's why. I liked it because neither neither of those teams plays in tiger stadium. That's lsu death valley. Sorry death valley death. That doesn't take away death valley so we're going unanimously. Jack georgia clemson. That's easy georgia clemson. Charlotte is wig one. Put that only graphic yet week to source the more difficult. Are we gonna to the same order. Do you wanna mix up the order logos anymore because that was easy. Let's the star of the order right here with you oregon at ohio state. Same are you girls just gonna. We haven't even list. We have our own lists. You can see it. On youtube right now brandon own lists suck it all suck it art have children that i have two other ones. Yeah yeah together. Join the help what do you what are you doing. We thought about it individually we prepared. There's two other games that we yep. i think three four. But here's a trip. That i would like to take at some point in my life back. Utah at byu. I wanna go to byu provo game out there. It looks beautiful as the holy war. It's it's it's epic. I think there will be a time to catch. Ohio state later in the season. And i think it's shocked. Go oregon allow states either utah or iowa at iowa state. How is it chocolate. Oregon ohio state but not chocolate. Take georgia. clemson is to take george clinton. But i don't wanna take two weeks in a row iowa in iowa state would be a good trip also this year and he stayed at mississippi state events. I'll hey can i give you guys a sneaky. Want to put on the table though a sneaky one and m at colorado so we could go to boulder. I do want to go to boehner this year. But you think the way. I feel like Bora colorado colorado and utah going to be the same weather the fucking same fucking night. So i i'd rather go utah. Byu in week two. Jack what was your. What was your point. You're still most worthwhile state oregon. We'll go to say organs. Fine yeah i had. I was state okay so majority oregon ohio state. Okay chalk ass bitches. No not chuck. I have different ones. We can go to oregon any okay. We can revisit if you talk why you and do what. I'm the only the only ones that think outside the box here. No i've got one outside. The box reminding ready ready for my week. Three outside the box. Why don't you go first every time you said to keep it the same so that time. What are you go for. I this time now. I'm gonna go first jacko first week. Three cincinnati at indiana. We're not gonna go in indiana ever again Sorry indiana fans but cincinnati and indiana. We get to see two teams. We get to see are two pretty good teams. At least that have high expectations. And also we get to see a indiana. Are they legit in when it comes to tailgating for football and whatnot. I know there are basketball school but the second year of a pretty good football program. So cincinnati and indiana is in a bad pick in my book. Brandon aren't so i have several here that would like to discuss auburn at penn. State you know. Sec big ten clash a go-ahead knockout penn state. It's great road trip one. I'm gonna nominate. Is outside the box off because i am capable of that thinking. Well if you're i think you're about to say the one that i'm thinking i i always. I don't like watching this field on tv long. However i feel like if i go there and experience an in person might get a new appreciation for it and this is an early season. I think the weather would be good. Here's the weather we avoid. We need to avoid the south in september. Okay avoid the hot in september. Avoid the coal november. That is my role so north. We're gonna. i'm gonna nominate oklahoma state at boise state. I do not hate that logic. I cannot look at that field. It hurts my fucking is like. I m sure the weather is fantastic but boy that would hurt to stare out for an entire game. What's yours mine. Nebraska oklahoma y. Because i think that after all the waves that nebraska made last year there timeout playing and like before the season they're playing in different countries and know they were. They were all about playing. And then you've got oklahoma. Who's a really good team. You got big ten versus the big twelve. I think you'll actually see how good spencer rattlers is against a big ten defense and i want nebraska to be good again i think when nebraska is good for football is more fun. The nineties were more fun so nebraska oklahoma like a again non conference games are warning them to be good and then being good two. Different things well right. But i'm saying if ideally like and i like going to games enorm- unless playing an because in it's terrifying but i think that game will probably be a night game and nebraska in norman would be a very cool game it's eleven. Am game. and i got really mad. Yeah oh yeah. It's all. I don't want to do it if it's a noon kickoff about it's an kick kick department what's yours catherine. It was going to be the auburn penn state game but to keep us from all doing four different ones. I'm going to backs Sincere indiana oh i. I hold on now. Hold on on jackson something. That was eroneous earlier. Word jackson something that was. Yes wasn't jackson was onus because he said in jersey cough he said indiana. We'd never come back to you but later in week eight. Ohio state of indiana doesn't really have much competition. Oh i see. I have that one too but i have. I think i have a better one week. Eight you've got usa. Raymond yeah so all right so let's to serve. If you guys are gonna change aren't gonna ban. We got a better weekday memphis at. Ucf we can go to florida. No yes we go the jump house. Why would you going week. We got gotta figure out. We grew okay so all right. So what are we going to do. We're not going to indiana auburn penn state. Yeah let's auburn penn. State struck no bake brandon who we have two votes than you guys have to agree on youtube votes majority rule. Do you agree with brandon on boise state Good luck fucking hate that field and then back down from nebraska oklahoma. No one wants to go with me to fucking norman such a disgusting thing for your principles. You boy say oklahoma state. So we're going to auburn penn. State chalky chalky. Chuck chuck awesome stuff. We go to penn state and no. We look like who a yahoo sports college football just covering the surface of things right now. That's what we look like and it's going to be a great game. Penn state loves barstool going. Yeah they're doing to wideouts this year. Okay well week four. I have one that. I definitely don't think anybody else is gonna take so. I'm just going to go out and say it out loud. You guys can poo poo. It ready Texas tech texas all awful. No and here's my reasoning because when those two fan bases get together they fucking hate each other now. It is isn't austin. We're never going to go back to austin. Because austin doesn't have a great game day atmosphere as much as other places however i think that texas tech and texas are pretty similar. This year we're going to see how quote back taxes and that game in week four is going to mean a lot for the conference. And i'm telling you guys texas tech fans are fucking fun to party with tax would blow and i love. I love austin. I look for any reason to go to austin. But i know i'm going to get i know i'm gonna get pooh-poohed on that it's a good good Fan base. i don't think the game will be that good. It's i could be forced kind of week. Yeah i mean there's one shot game. I think everybody else is going to have. That's why i thought outside the box on that one. Yeah it's almost like we're gonna have to settle with that. But so here's what. I wrote down for week four. I wrote down by the way and week three. We just didn't talk about alabama and florida at all. I have on my list. But i don't can't. We also didn't talk about one that i was virginia. Tech at west virginia would be fun ship to virginia. They make it people week four though. Here's what i wrote down down. Kansas at duke. Because my god just give me the worst game imaginable a yukon. You mask game later on down at nc state. Kansas state and oklahoma state never never experienced water. And then my my mac entry for the year l. toledo at ball state. Muncie is beautiful in that time. September and then tennessee at florida but ultimately it's almost like by default. You have to go. Nuradaim versus wisconsin at soldier field to. That's so chuck is also the rematch last lsu at mississippi state that week. I'm saying i'm very unbiased. National journalist so i have put zero mississippi state games on the west. Let's because you're not going to be good did you watch lsu thatcher. I'm just saying fluke tight. Look unless you was terrible. I were neater. I think we have to go. Notre dame at wiscon- verse wisconsin at soldier field. Because that's not not make fun of you katie. I know what the answer is going to be. They had a back coordinator on defense last year. Right you defensive coordinator this year correct. You have no fucking idea. I had no art because they hired somebody who's never bene- fucking coordinator. Then they hired. They aren't somebody that coordinator defense looking at my sheet. I made a sixty page power. Five preview move on. I'll find out so we're talking it up again. I don't think it'll be chock. Bake national games. Like people like notre dame wisconsin on my list. And i got pooh-poohed for that. I think it's interesting. 'cause it's dot com and going back home. I also think jacqueline's going to be a nightmare. But i yeah we have to go with it okay. week five are now. We're getting down some nitty gritty. I mean saying that there aren't they. Jones doesn't know how to coach. Defense is like insane. I'm not saying that everybody's assuming that he does though everybody's assuming he's going to be good based on what based on what i mean. Even if he's average it's a huge upgrade. If he's averaged they're still going to be not very good. You can't be averaged in the sec. West defense coordinator this five years of nfl experience. But we'll see our our. I'm going out of the box one week. Five and i don't give a fuck what y'all think. What what the usa. Mississippi games like auburn lsu. Jaffer you tested. No you say she got up at kansas state. You have texas a tcu. Cincinnati notre dame who jackson a half. I love the troops. I love america and you know when people are talking about going to football games going to army navy well that anything only these teams excess. And i wanna go to. Ucf at navy and beautiful annapolis maryland on this beautiful fall day ucf. Why don't we just go the week. Pro are the two weeks prior. We had the the big discussion about week three weeks what to do week three. Let's go week three army september. Eighteenth that's when uconn plays all now why not that we don't know and then all this week this week we get to go then this week. We go to cincinnati notre dame this. We're going in michigan. Wisconsin no alabama. I love madison. I want to go back to madison. We've been michigan wisconsin. We didn't go to the game. they didn't get to go. katie nominate. here ole miss alabama. I just wanted their arts the foxhole you. I think their offense. Let's offense of battle. Sec skeptical always do now. They did not close loss. Cincy notre dame right. Yeah and you did brandon. You did who at navy. So katie i have to. And i and i said michigan wisconsin. You've already said no to that. Ucf navy just going to be so gross. who wants to watch a football brennan. Does apparently it adds no rain back. No no all right. Okay kent. We're not going to cincinnati. Can we make. Can we make a team decision that mississippi state at an was probably good for the team. Yeah i concur. I can't we just go to college station for that game. We probably should. It's to be hot as hell. I'm just saying week five. It's both of our teams playing each other. You've never been kyle field. None of you guys have been to kyle field. You've never been to college station. We went to start the last year. Let's go to an this year. Mississippi say today an. She's right all right. Lock it in. And that's not chock good. I was pregnant. None of my suggestions on the heart and soul the fucking podcasts. Better make but arguments okay. Brennan you go first week. Six this to me is the most loaded week. okay today. loaded a bunch of shit and you just took one games out. I know back to back now. Saw the answer would be alabama dana. Correct i'm just looking at my list. So i'm just i'm just I'll be answer. The talk answer is oklahoma texas alabama. An answer well. I think oklahoma texas always looked at I mean i. I look georgia at auburn. Because that's an incredible rivalry look at oklahoma texas. I look at penn state iowa. No-name virginia tech. This is a loaded as week. What if we're taking the most. I've we're taking the most iconic river. Whatever we're doing here. I think you have to go oklahoma texas. Yep i agree. I think we should go to the red river. Shootout red river shootout. It is we're gonna continue to call it a shootout 'cause fuck everybody also wrote down boise state at byu was i want to byu. And y'all what's your obsession is one way you look beautiful. It is beautiful. i'm this fun. Gun bowl is in but grab of texas it. In dallas so said shitty area michigan nebraska would have been good that we did it so it's a loaded week nor name of jeannine took great. It is a lot. But i think for you know for the college football experience we've got to go to the cotton bowl. It stinks there but Okay so week seven. Who's going person I have to one of them. I'm guessing breath talking about miami. Unc the second one ucf in cincinnati. I was talking about neither of those. Oh all right. I was going to say miami at north carolina. Let me tell you something if you are planning a college football trip football stadium trip and you don't go to baton rouge louisiana the stadium the best tailgating the craziest fans and you got to go to florida at lsu and week seven. I mean i have that written down to more than ucf cincinnati. Yeah i can tell gates about the actual game. Llc florida the those teams could be better than both ucf instance annetta proportionately better. I think it'll be ucf. Cincinnati ba. i also just don't think cincinnati ohio. I'll probably be forty five degrees. I agree with z florida. Being a better environment. I was thinking more of the matchup. Just like what it means. Storyline with the probably whoever wins. That's the best cooper five team in the nation but have on so we're the l. Lsu florida where. I was wanted on a draft. So i can have games wanted well but then that would have been stupid graphic. I told you. I wanna do a draft so i can. I can go with my people here all of a sudden a mormon all right. Look at me blonde hair. Don't have sex. I'm a moment in florida. Lsu you have multiple wives right. Imagine that adviser trade into one. I got okay. So what did we decide on. Florida florida out granola jack. Thanks yeah ok. His opinion more than both stores. Lsu is also who wants to go to cincinnati ohio in october. What about my. Why is miami north carolina so bad. I mean it'd be fine. But i just not. It's not unless you. You maybe notre dame florida at lsu again kinda kinda wildcards here I will let jelly off on this. One yeah i mean. We're getting deep into october. So i guess we could go down to orlando. we already said no there Obviously probably the chalk. Pick is no usc at notre dame. But it's gonna be cold up there. But i guess if you wanna go to notre dame e kinda wanna not go when it's ninety five ninety degrees you kind of want to go into. It's a little chilly outside. So i want to softener name. I think it'd be funny if the day that you. Us's at notre dame we go to fucking bloomington. indiana would be funny funny. But here's the thing though brandon. Usc at notre dame is the seven thirty kickoff and a night game at notre dame would be sick. all right. i. I'm on board for usa. Early renown. I wrote down. Nc state at miami. Ohio state of indiana oklahoma state. I'll stay in memphis. Ucf i ucf is sneaky sneaky. But i mean if we're gonna go to south ben and it's a night game when you've got the you know the iconic usc helmets klay helton's on the hot seat. I think that game would be so sick. This is so chalky. I'm doing initially by myself and it's going to be my list. Okay with autographing it's not chaki. It's just i mean. I also coastal upstate for week at a talking. It's truck but it's the ideal trip do you want. Is the ideal trip going to ball. State against ohio. Know unless it's a tuesday night in november that's college football state bluefield. Go look at it yourself. Byu with bunch of morons. Come on. I know you can reduce your obsession all of a sudden with byu. He's found his people all right state where your people aren't trying to let me know. I have one where i want to go to aims. I have one. Don't worry we. Usc notre dame yes let's her weeknight pick brandon. Probably going to be like indiana against. I'm gonna he's gonna go with that. I should say ohio state not nuts. I'm torn between two. I'm torn between two two. And you know. I'm a little second notre dame. We've been talking about two months after we can't get yeah. They're the list because we're going there the week before. We hit the my socks. We're going to stay in although noting list. So they're off okay. i'm torn between two and it's michigan and michigan state. 'cause give me a rivalry game right up in mom and mom s timmy. That demi georgia florida at jacksonville. Okay so my two that. I'm trying to decide between our georgia florida. Jacksonville or iowa at wisconsin. That's going to be so that's like watching. Old people thought. Casey watched nine six game game with just wanted. I i you know. I'm trying to get back to madison to madison fucking going. I was in town. I think iowa's going to be pretty decent this year and what not scoring be grocer game it will be gross came but i also like georgia florida like yes. It's like when it's when it's a good game it's great it's can kind of a little bit be overrated. Sometimes i don't know i've never been. I've been multiple times. You've never been cool. Katy what's your pick i wasn't into. Unc notre dame but second option. Probably georgia florida jack. Yeah i think maybe that that rivalry and is overrated but it seems cool you get to stretch and get to experience to columbus go to penn state state. I don't care. We haven't got ohio state. Yeah yeah. We do oregon ohio state. We're all of you guys. Have you guys at the large outdoor cocktail party. Let's go georgia florida okay. Brandon ran in week ten. This one's catered to you sir. Oh yeah i'm ready to go to texas at iowa. State alum ready to go to the worst part in the country according brandon. Where where are you going. Oxford by fucking golden care. It's the brenner walker. Morley crop poll lawson horsera-. Everybody okay good way headline did you see that. Who liberty picked up a born again christian after he was kicked off of the tennessee football team. I'm going to say this. I think for the sake of the podcast. We have to go to the hugh freeze game. No absolutely not going off mississippi city. We're going to washington. No ghana aims are first of all hold on areas in a state lord. Week right here. We're just gonna skip lsu alabama or auburn am. Ohio state nebraska. I do kinda wanna go and branca oregon and washington on your top five lists. Yeah i know. But i played content above it texas at iowa state. Both of those teams are always youth versus arizona's. Very sneaky. good. That's gonna be the winner of the south. Oh that's not even the best game in the pac twelve week between i know oregon and washington is my top gone a pack twelve school yet. No seed washington going on in washington. We're going to say okay. I got to. Oklahoma aims oklahoma iowa state. Oh perfect day. Playing a norman week. Twelve so go. They're not just really ought to go the bathroom in the middle. We got three weeks left here. Jack three weeks jack. Okay oregon going inside on frames. No sales meetings. So here's the thing. Here's the thing now. We have not run into this yet. It took two week ten. We have a two square off. Then you guys winning because you guys are the heads you're right. It's all equal table. No texas iowa state. We're going we're gonna aims. I consider a youth equal. Okay so brandon. We're going aims. You're going we're gonna hams. I kinda like. I work in washington to yes organ. I watched it too soon to be good. Those are two very good team this year. Okay then okay. Fine fine i do agree with. I do agree that you packed. Going to be good this year arizona state if they don't have a big blow up with the coaching staff and what's going on behind the scenes. They have a good football team this year. Arizona state could see post season ban by the way out here. Not sure yet. What week eleven. We could go to washington the very next week. Okay we could arizona's say washing. So let's say okay aims week ten washington week. Eleven because the game that i had was michigan at penn state. But we've already gone to penn state so we can't go back so we're sailboating week. Eleven we're going to ames week. Ten twelve we get to go to norm for you. Yes no why. I was dated oklahoma. We actually was going to say. Virginia tech at miami. Why we're we're but that's not bad. I don't hate for stop so we were going. You know it's funny. You went back to sippy. And it's mississippi. Haircut kiss came back right oh on his iowa state and we tend yes and then week. Eleven we're going to arizona state washington. Yes and we're getting a air force colorado state. I had written down i to to buy we'll make sure and that's okay so weekday in we're locked in texas iowa state week eleven were locked in going to washington sale washington. Well great. we didn't have many good games. It's a good game. But i'm saying like the other options for me. Were miami at florida. State and michigan penn state. Ain't ole miss may may not be awful. Take you guys inside. The top process at omegas isn't on the goddamn tape. Go you know you're not gonna take me to colorado state at air force. Have elevation sickness send video. Oxford mississippi is not part of the ideal road trip. All right not week twelve twelve. I'm going to try to fuck and wiggle my way back to madison again. Nebraska wisconsin. I put every home game for wisconsin. Madison it's unbelievable. Up to master wisconsin in the bud grant november. I don't care about that okay somehow. Other options my other options are. I was at oklahoma. But we're already going. Oklahoma and virginia tech and miami we wealth. No no no no. We're not going oklahoma. Yeah you're not. why. Oh oakland i have to iowa say oklahoma twelve but we've just been aims two weeks before that. Yeah we went to top team i can. I share a secret week. Twelve deepened november so cold colorado state's at hawaii is i knew each year old. We're going to hawaii already. Virginia tech that miami. I'd just take you all of you guys iowa state local job. But i liked the idea. We're going but we also just saw oregon utah people. It's going to be cold up there to byu game. And then saturday we go to utah. I'm doing that with thirteen. We're going to do a three day. Trip for games really not gonna go to madison wall to the medicine. But i like it or what we were going to say. No yes we just saw. I would say played two weeks before go back. Take you fucking to ask the bathroom jack. Somebody else i record. It'd be fine. He didn't even hear you say that social we just take a pause now since. We're all arguing with your official one. Yeah what's your official twelve. We virginia tech. We're going to miami. we're hitting south beach with. I think we should. I scratched the aims game now and then go to iowa state oklahoma. You all pulled that you want to go to ames okay so then okay drennan. If we scratch the aims game then where do we go week. Ten washington then. What do we do with lsu in alabama nebraska. I think lsu l. o. I say liberty illness you have to do it. The content that is going to come onto one of only skating in the name of content. There's no content i got. They don't pay me enough. Do content that piece of shit. I was like trying to get us to go to texas tech texas earlier. I'm like i like austin content. I say we stick with ames week ten. We sail in week. Eleven and we go to south beach in week. Twelve for along legitimately be the big twelve championship game. The fastest okay. So mississippi state arkansas and again so week. Ten brandon little rivalry there. Okay so what are the week ten options. If we take aims off the table i have. Lsu l. at alabama. Mississippi state and arkansas indiana michigan oregon washington usc at arizona state yes and then liberty. It'll oldness okay. I don't if we take it off. I don't think we should do. Lsu alabama because. I think we've done to messy games. I like indiana at michigan. One to. I don't know the problem is we. Don't we're not seeing him. That's the issue. We've georgia florida as we were all sort of. Sec game the week before. Okay wait wait. Shut the fuck up and went okay. What if week. Tin way sale gated oregon washington k. And then week. Eleven to miami florida state and then week twelve. We go to iowa state oklahoma who loves that in on that miami florida state is also on my list. Because it's a great. it should be a good rivalry. it's not been recently but yes good call brennan. So we're getting week ten. Yes you're going to florida week. Eleven we're going to norman week twelve. Yep love it know what i love about this. We're not going to any of these fun. Just hypothetically a fantasy world thirteen all right rivalry week week. Thirteen spending thanksgiving together and god's country and we're going to my mama's house in west point mississippi. We're going to thanksgiving some green bean casserole mac and cheese some. We're gonna eat all that and then we're gonna ride over will thursday night. We're gonna watch mississippi state when the bowl after the that. Now you wanted to know one thousand percent. Because i want his mom's cooking and then thousand thanksgiving right in the walker household. Yeah and we do eleven thirty morning and we and then we ever that game and the next morning we get on a plane and we go to another rivalry game. We go to raleigh north carolina. That's where we watch. Yes they're lana state. And then on saturday we finished robbery weekend. And you can hate. Take your pick. We can go to alabama and go the iron bowl. I don't to state at florida. When go to an lsu going to oklahoma oklahoma state we go to bedlam. Orange michigan clinton south carolina. But i think iron bowl is better that way we stay in the south so we go on thursday. Unc nc state. Friday and alabama and auburn. Saturday tell me that ain't a great weekend. I'm going to wake up dead tomorrow because she okay. I too much dick. She told me earlier. Never you can never have enough that. Sorry okay now. She's now convulsing all right. Good stuff you know. She has a she has data night. Katie so hopefully show okay so to recap for jackson back from his hot and this okay now cases down on not great. I thought i lost. Aw four hundred scheduled barstool athlete post today nearly blonde to burn this office for the ground. Cool cool everything on twitter and instagram. Good on our teams. We still need. Oh we've got one major one week. Thirteen at auto mention but ohio state at michigan. I literally said it. Oh sorry no. I love that too. All right. ohio state of michigan's good art to recap wait and wait for john for jack week. Fifteen army navy and and we we fourteen best championship game. I want to home. Ac but we're probably have to cases. I think i'm dying. Who also next week. It'll just be me jack. And katie sim flowers and Requests for feet picks to to me. I'll get them to picks. Hey we'll get the necrophiliac's we're going to have to have an open casket but it'll be open the foot end. We can charge. Just come up and look at them little to do. Katie david All right so david jackson ones or twos. Tell brand what happened. Tell brennan what happens. We were gonna fill episode. We couldn't find anywhere we've as time to are her where i'm in. The bathroom answered the phone. While all the time before was cussing facetime. My parents not friends. I don't facetime when i'm in the bathroom doing anything your shower. Yeah okay relax. He's really gentle k. Maybe fell in. I do not miss that office. Tell you that is just because you're shining. Faith is not here to light it up while we're at it playing some new merch be nice human. You can see it on the youtube can see. This is the blue version on the front. There's a i mean. I'm literally dying as we're speaking ext dying. There's a piece thank you imprint. The biggest of all time. There's a peace sign on the front. We've got blue. We've got barbie pink and we've got off white. They're very nice. And they're very software interval power and season. Three this podcast. You've never even suggested a a t shirt idea or tank top idea. Now we're playing your the show. I have i absolutely have. We are the i think i always brought. Low of underserved represent by stuff. I honestly think we are the worst in the merge game. Jackie missed a lot. Has happened are so now jack a lot first of all i had an absolute side. You can keep it in the youtube because probably very funny. I legitimately almost but coughing. All right out katie's now paying people to lick my feet and my casket you missed. Three cats are caused ultimate road trip. Twenty twenty one reference in week one still on the road trip we wait for you to recap. i'm kidding. I know i was joke week. Zero not league one zero. We're going to hawaii for two to treat ourselves so good plan but we're going. La yes all right. We're gonna ukwa in hawaii and zero in week one. We are headed to charlotte to take on georgia and clemson there. We go georgia clemson and wait one week to. We're going to columbus ohio where we see the oregon ducks at the ohio. State buckeyes wait three happy valley auburn at penn state or we might be big ten heavy auburn at penn state with four. We're going to another site. Might be going to many neutral sites. We need on campus. We're going to notre dame against wisconsin in chicago we five. We're going to college station with the unnecessary roughness rivalry battle no best this year. Thank you there will absolutely be bet you know there. I remember brennan. It is not me that you have to worry about understand that i understand that but you know that the two other co host of ours on the college football show will not let that fly and you know that mississippi state at five and facing. We're actually probably going to have to really and we. Actually you know 'cause y'all were already we're going to be at a different one. No not that right now. Not that we yes. This one happening now. This one's happening. Oh okay yeah you guys can. We can go to that one. I'm gonna like okay. can somebody what. Oh yeah. I know which ones not happening okay. Weeks at six we're going to Dallas texas for oklahoma texas. The red river we seven we're going to baton rouge florida at lsu. Wait eight we're going to usc at her name southbound nut by the way nothing else out of the box. We're such talk bitches. We also just non power five but somehow he always ended up week. Nine georgia florida and jacksonville. Wait a minute for science. Let's the issue with that. It's still not a campus but so we're not feeling the campus five. We're not going to union. We're not even chick-fil-a and college kids around the corner from here is absolutely not a chick-fil-a around the corner from at all it's pretty close by five and two okay brandon. Now week ten eleven and twelve. Jack missed all the new rewrote week. Ten eleven twelve jack. Every suggestion you got thrown out in week ten we are now going where sale gating again. We're going oregon and washington most of the one that i initially said we're going to oregon at washington and then we eleven. We're going to miami at florida state alone tallahassee. We're gonna go miami florida state for some reaction and week twelve. We're still going to iowa. State oklahoma pretty good great. I love it. Sounds good i would love to go to tallahassee and then i suggested we ten and then we twelve That sounds great. I want to go to that game and we now have a three parter for rivalry weekend. Guess can i guess okay. Thursday night we are going to mississippi starkville. Yes then on. Friday we are going to fuck are they. Not now. we're not gonna fall. We are going to be great content. Fuck and then. I'll give you a head. It's somebody in this rooms team. Another campus there. I mean jackets. Pretty easy to figure out. we're going to nc state. Yes and then saturday. We're going to our state michigan or alabama auburn the iron bowl. Okay nice awesome. That's a great trip can't wait and then what conference championship game. Tweedy decided the best one. I think we should add the on the graphic the one that means the most for the playoff algebra the conference championship game. That means the most for the playoff implicate championship game. Just to be dick's or the mac go to detroit game and then week. Fifteen army navy. I'm i'm creating my alternate list. Next week i just want go and give you that. I gotta go at least one matt game. I'm sorry i gotta go game and guess what they'll byu. I'm gonna say why don't you. Why don't we just make an alternate list together. Now because i list my i was going to be shit shawki. I'm so i'm going to die. I'm physically going to die. The bart simpson should be writing on blackboard. That's how shafi this list. Oh you're fine. It's going to be fun. It's konta almost jack. This that's all we check when couple when you re when you re watch this you're gonna see brandon. Absolutely lose his mind right before i become deceased. It should probably be a clip on the internet. That be phenomenal for content. The the game. Not casey dying. No also. That would be good for content. Well we're gonna go to. We're to go to three weeks basketball game this week this year. Katie gray for content. Okay it would be you. I love to death. But i think that him and ado in rough and rowdy. You're in a room together for the kids would be amazing in the name of conference right. There was a lot worse. We have everything we have those lists. But i'm to be honest. I don't know if i can. I can speak much longer are you. Don't have to speak. I do want to tear apart one of these lists. We won't do both. We'll do the top hundred players next week. So jackson me the pro football focus ranking all one hundred thirty quarterback starting quarterbacks in college football and you do not have to participate. You can jump in when you want to First of all pro football focus. I think is fantastic. I think they they're. They're very unbiased. I think they do a good job. I think You know look past the guys recruiting rating. They look past the guys word plays and they look at the actual production. And i appreciate that however there. I feel like this list just wrong. So many places. I'm gonna start at the top. They got Spencer rattler at number one same helen number two. I think sam how is far and away the best quarterback in college football coming into the season. He's proven more than spencer rattler Hundred percent more. He's done it twice as opposed to once And sam how last year it is people think oh he just handed off. Those running back knows roy. Max went off and great stats. Same house still had. I believe thirty. Five hundred yards thirty touchdowns seven receptions in a kovic shortened season. He was fantastic his two years if he played for years. You're looking at a guy who would go down. As one of the all time statistical great. He's not gonna play for years. We're gonna play three. But is three years are going to stack right up with trevor lawrence's do use them. What this list. They have at tier system too so they have spent so rattler into your one by himself as it comes and they basically over to. Are they expensive rather than a very good quarterback. I don't think you can justify him being over sam. How are being gonna tear by to say even if you you try to make the argument that he's better than sam how much i agree with. You can't yet because we haven't seen that on paper. He's not in a league of his own. You cannot put him in elliott zone yet. Maybe ll season. But they have. Dr king three dylan. Gabriel uc four. I'm fine with that. I think michael junior at five is one of the most overrated players. I've ever seen anywhere michael pass. Junior is fine. He has a solid quarterback. Call him above average quarterback. He is not an elite quarterback. He's not a great quarterback. He is somebody that can manage a game. And and and make plays louis fate. And he's fine but he's not the fifth best quarterback in the country period. That's just ridiculous. metro at six. I'm fine with that. i think. Macaroni is is really really good. He's also really bad at times but his good outweighs as bad I won't say every everything but you know the grace mcauliffe seven. I just want to point out a couple. That are too high to low. They've got miles brennan. Lsu at number nine. There's zero guarantee miles. Brennan's the starting quarterback for lsu concept. He's been the next guy for seventeen years and it could be max. Johnson like literally could be him. There's no guarantee miles. Brennan is the quarterback at lsu and certainly nothing to tell me. He's the ninth best quarterback in the country. That is crazy. Yeah carson strong. Tama got Emory jones at fourteen feels a little high. He's never proven anything. Connor obeys lack. Who i at missouri. I think he's underrated Makenzie melton at sixteen. You know who knows what we're going to get from him. They got property at seventeen. That feels low. Feel super super-low if desmond river at forty Me willis at nineteen feels really low. I think he's a top five to ten quarterback in the country and then they got. Cj strahl for ohio state. who's never taken meaningful. Snap the bryan. Young's never taken a meaningful snaps twenty and twenty two Jt daniels at twenty. Three seems very low. I think what we got. Jt daniels last year was fantastic. I feel like he's the top five or ten in this country. Yeah i also very strange. She's not on that list. There's been a lot of luck. Rankings from different people coming out. And maybe this is from this room. But i also got so high jackie daniels in the top five if not top three in every single ranking outside of top ten driven by me. I think i've been driving the jt daniels a lot. But i think we're probably higher j. daniels than most people We're right. I'm right and you guys can ride in that way brandon. You make them occasionally all the time till he then until he then like walks back and says something that yeah twenty six wisconsin's mertz also. There's no reference of jackson thirty check on the way forty-three is just awful. They're the first forty seven year old man to ever start calling about because he's still starting going. I do not know he's played for like seventeen follows on twitter next. He's been following me for longtime. Oh wait he did. He's acid remember. He actually falls on twitter. He's a parcel athlete. That's what he is. L. devon leary. Nc forty four. i think he's ranked lolo Yeah so they're not a lot of really bitch about. But i think they got a couple of wrong at the very very top. Who would be your top of starting quarterbacks. And so i go sam how for sure i'd go. I'd go eric king provided he's healthy for sure. I sure corral for sure daniels. And then i would say who. Jt daniels no. I would probably go now. I'm saying about loud. Whose guys about saying oh Does need and so that would be your five. Would you put details at six six. I would have. I'm having a leak willis way up there. Yeah that's that's what. I want you guys i would do. Sam how spencer. Rattler derek king. Jt daniels matt corral. I would totally six there. Oh sorry i to take one. Timberlake willis out. We'll take him out. don't gabriel. Fuck my six over dylan lock a lot but when glele fuck we off off line we'll talk about all our top ones. I know we'll do. Let's bring our top five quarterbacks next week to bring next week i gotta fix fucking. I gotta fix our trip. And then i'm gonna do that. And then what does the other top five until right down to bring. You wanna do your job. Let's do a quarterback draft. I don quarterback draft. Wait what other lists. Are we supposed to bring next week to bring a list. I didn't know nobody remembers what list wires the screen. Why because i don't know you're going to be on it anyways. It doesn't matter yes. It'd be looking good to what the fuck was that list. Sexy title five wherever. Listen to the show d. You mustn't tell us the jackal. Jack and katie. In back to they'll tell us you're gonna tell them. Give them work already. Listen back to it. What do you tell us. He told us he said on this on this podcast and i actually thought we should write it down but i just didn't write it down. It was early. It was like twenty minutes. In what listed you. Top five somethings unbelievable that guide from dysentery between now. And then. so we'll make money off looking your feet though. Yeah i saw looking. Casey's feed is where i usually like to stop the show. Okay so casey haiti jack. The show is over. Can't wait to see three d brandon so you monday.

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Why Oklahoma Is A National Title Contender + The Perfect CFB Road Trip

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Why Oklahoma Is A National Title Contender + The Perfect CFB Road Trip

"Phil steele as this page. They'll still has this page of verified twitter followers that follow him and none of us are on. my virus. Verification got denied today most pet. He's got melissa. Joan hart on here and sold at o'brien sold at of ryan falls everybody. She also hates us. It has sold data brian. Yes what is this list. I mean this is the thing about phil steele. This has a sheet of jean. Here of every verified. He probably has an updated that list for since two thousand seven like most of his fucking magazine. Damn jack are we ready to go. Who's dave softy mailer. I don't know if that is gerry. Dinardo dead dead. He may be dead. Because i told hall phil steele doesn't update stop. This isn't anything new. I told you just like most of his magazine. It's old stuff we saw last year. Okay he's still alive. Good for charity. Marta by the way. Brian meeting casey shared like a great podcast building experience on sunday night. coming back from marinas wedding it was kcbi bibs tommy. And trent case who's in the middle there on the left and I was on the right. Casey fell asleep a few times. I fell asleep on jack's shoulder for like an hour. I'll leave that wedding. We left eleven thirty but we didn't get back. We went to like four mcdonald's before we actually only want for. We got to the one we got we wanted to. We ordered forty mcdonald's no forty mcnuggets. Four doubles four. Small fries a big mac. Three waters diet coke coke. Isn't mike my credit card. Statements like fifty five dollars millions on mantell williams talk show listening. Oh fuck dude. You're all you're talking about as mississippi the first four back to each other and brandon's already telling jack shut the fuck up before the indra music is even rolled. Yes congratulate -gratulations random. You're watching the youtube. You'll see he's showing us. He's a national champion national champion mississippi state university. Okay so baseball not football. Last there was awarded the most recent national champion. That's true brandon. Jack showed me this the other day. Some dude in our facebook group was furious. We talked about college. Baseball and college football podcast. Well some dude in our facebook check and suck my fucking dick okay. That is the sentiment. Most of the people in the facebook group had which was dude. Shut up. it's it's june. July june enjoy and mississippi state like the scc school also his school. He wouldn't have talked about. It had been one of our schools. I love that was like you want. Would you like to break down the weekend. Slate sir and my husband. I had to go out there. Because i mean we send somebody out there trying to grow the game and i had to. We had to have some star power out there. It was great content for the podcast. Yeah sandia enjoyed it. All right you ready. I'm ready are you. How you been doing casey. I've been doing all right. I would like a psa right now. My voice may give out at any point. I've got the. I have a cough cough going around the office right now. Dan big cat is claiming that it's everybody who's been at the jersey shore at some point in the last few weeks which it is checking out But i might die in the middle of this podcast so okay. Cool cool katie. How are you a little concern. Now i'm saying next. Casey but otherwise i don't have any other symptoms. She slept on my shoulder. And i have. I don't have the cough. Jack women talking for three minutes you. What's in that story twice. Yeah but that's a good location concerned. Now i'm actually. I've i've probably need time to focus. Listen i here's the thing. I had two options either to sleep on my producer shoulder or on vibes shoulder. Who is like dating one of my close friends. I felt like my producer was better support system there also then like midway through. This is just your sleep body. It turned into like you want crawl up yelling. How's it was after marinas wedding. I had some alcohol. it happens. Who among us. Oh my god okay. let's do it. Hi welcome to unnecessary roughness barstools college. Football podcast brought to you by the delicious and the beautiful and the wonderful high noon art seltzer. They've got all the best. Flavors they got the peach in the lime grapefruit black cherry. It is all delicious. It's real juice real vodka for real people like you and me high noon. They go everywhere we go and today. I am in still in mississippi. I am in my mother-in-law's basement but the other three idiots are back in manhattan. High hits we ben in manhattan i. Why are we idiots. Why are you taking so many unnecessary shots at us. I know the name of the podcast but she did it. In one of your gas station reviews. You said who i if. I'm a dumb person. If i have to do content with casey smith everyday. What did i do to deserve that. I love when people get all upset about those. Fill out fifty seven seconds of gas station content. Hey i normally make fun of my boobs. So i'll take it. I guess i've always done to gas station reviews. I made fun of your boobs. Wants and just your name the other time. So okay. Lisa i'm getting shouted out. Yeah katie. didn't even make the from you. Hi katie hi brandon. Our things find normal holding down the fort here and while you're gallivanting off mississippi. My grandmother died. So thank you for the condolences so Yeah huge you. Haven't you've said hi to them two times. Yeah you haven't said to me what's up dude going on. I tried to tell him to be nice today. And it's just not working jack. How are you great when only be saw. What are we seeing you in three d again. Conscious picked up another three star recruit. Victor rose a number to recruit out of the state of connecticut. Class at twenty two. Where did you see that. That was thirty minutes ago. But i just sort of ticker in here brandon. When are we seeing you in three d again. How hard is it to be number. Two recruiting state failed so is from connecticut and great brian. How he was anyways. My second is when am. I going to be back. I'll be back monday in the office. I'll be driving back. Friday and saturday and i'll be back monday and we'll be back on schedule. Which brings me to my next point. Katie were two minutes into the fucking show. No it's okay so recording. Yes okay that i leave. No you're still. You're still there okay. Okay so i'll be back next week. We'll be back in the office together and everything so my next asthma is i have decided already mentally turned the corner towards football season and guys executive decision starting august first. Let's go to times a week. Love it. I love that. I completely agree. Once the fourth of july holiday is over even though we still have. I think it's fifty eight days until kickoff. I looked it up yesterday. It is your truly on the downhill. Slide in a good way into college football season. When do you want to release. We'll figure that it'll probably be sunday. Thursday always use or record. Sunday sunday wednesday. Something like that. I don't know figured out two times a week august. I starting august first. Because i'm in that mode right now where everything. I do every spare moment i have. I'm looking at either a phil steele an athlon or i'm watching highlights on youtube. I'm fully in college football mode. Now i am too. I'm going to be honest. I'm already a wanting to get in fights with people on twitter. about stupid takes. Handed was awesome in every fight last night. It was awesome. Yeah you're mixing it up on the mentions. Oh i was throwing great. Well we list these five games. You did a graphic katie. Texted me the other day was katie. That was awesome. Yeah cheney literally texted me. While i at the funeral anyway nonni knowledge is afterwards. I remember what it was but she she said you know. Give me your five most anticipated games this year so i sent him to her and i thought our five. They're all very similar. I think jack had one that. I wish i had a thought of yet. Cincinnati notre dame which. I think is fantastic. Katie went kind of a different direction where she actually chose. Games are probably more portland washington. I mean in the context of that conference. It's very important May i went with light main. Casey both went for like three or four. Non conference games and then alabama am and people are. I'm there's one of my techs. It's one of my takes. We're gonna get there in a minute. But people were pupo. And casey for having alabama in miami number one i had it number four and i thought that's fucking ridiculous. I mean everybody is so beaten down by how good alabama has been they ton of just intellectually allow themselves week one alabama miami. Everybody's gonna be watching that fucking game. It's gonna be so much fun. Yes when you look at the other games like you could say. Maybe they'll be more competitive as what we've seen the last few years to me opening weekend alabama miami. We don't know what miami's gonna look like we've said it. They right there at the corner. We don't know what alabama is to look like crazy me that i think that's going to be a really fucking fun game to watch. Here's here's here's my take miami's going to cover in that game. Mommy might win that game. I is not going to be a bad football team and everybody was beaten down by. How alabama re loads every year. This is a different level of reloading alabama has to do and they're not going to win that game by thirty points they always do and also and also the fact that like it is. It's miami. i understand. They've not been that good as of late. But it's still the university of miami. I love the fact that alabama in miami are playing opening weekend. It's a massive programs non conference game. Why would i not be excited. They were good. They were good last year. Miami was and the year before. I said miami was going to be good last year and because the year before i kept bringing up that stat that even though the year they want six and seven and lost to louisiana tech in that random game every single game was within seven points that they lost so i mean also backed advisors talking about no. It's not good if you get paralyzed Talking about the unknowns. We don't know there was a list that was released this week from pro. Football focus of the top quarterbacks that we're going to get and they they're unknowns are the same known and one of the unknowns for me is how will dear king play toys. Acl what december. Twenty eighth the ballgame. How healthy will he be if he's listen if he's healthy. Alabama will win that by lot. But i'm begging on him being rice young as well. Yes yes. We're making waves much unknowns. We're gonna get all that. Casey the one problem you did you had it number. One and clinton george has got to be normal. Yeah no i. I looked back. And i was sitting next. Katie when she was making my graphic and i actually was gonna put clemson georgia. But then i didn't want us to all have the same number one across the board. And so i was like well. I'll just mix it up a little bit so that it doesn't look like we're all having the exact same answers but the fact that they're i mean. Yes georgia clemson is a is a more probably more competitive game. But the fact that they're on like aren't there on the same weekend right. Yeah there wants to two thirty and one's interest so that what hell of a week one we have. Oh yeah hell of a week one but all of these people were like. Oh i'll have a casey's smoking like all right dude. I'll give you some good shit. I guess but like let's all relax here and then when someone called you the name you don't like to be called. I was furious. You see that we are blocked that little. Okay so i am. How many trivia wins. I have to have. How many podcasts. Do i have to have a where where people will decide. I'm not a moron standards. Did fucking guys got seventy dollars called me more from mississippi. I'm seventy five percent more intelligent. That ship he's probably a moron yet and also like like get better chirps people like if you like. He was like. He's called a moron from mississippi. For reason like that's those two seasons ago find something else by the season three for us. We just three and this is officially season three. Oh wow so. He's been three okay good. Well let's careful with that yet so make sure still. It actually looks more like germany right. Inglorious bastards that's all. They know that they're not germany. Let's put that down from what the germans john that's how they know they're americans shoot. What are you doing. The militia jack. What did what do we do. It's a secret okay. I'm ahead so lit. Let me load off the show. Somebody knock on the door there or somebody or here. You're in mississippi. So my here by the way the seat that he's sitting on this is just such an old person seat. This is a very mother-in-law house. Yeah yeah it's awesome. It's awesome right out of an antique store. I'm very much. I'm in my mother-in-law's guest room in ripley mississippi. That's where i'm at so all right. Let me lay out the show here. Because i want to own fire off several things I haven't been here to really focus on college football in a while. But i'm ready to focus on it now so we've got. I've got five takes. I would like to go ahead and get out there for the two thousand twenty one season. I'm to go ahead squad on these takes okay. I got those five Then we're going to have our we're gonna to build our ultimate road trip for the twenty twenty one season. That's what we're gonna do. Yes so last week. Jack came with a great idea and he said we should go through the twenty twenty one season and pick the game of the week that we would most want to go to and we can't overlap stadiums. The problem was is it was just us and we didn't look at it beforehand. We were just staring at a schedule. Which does not make for a good podcast. you know. it just doesn't make for wonderful listening so we decided that we would all come this week with our list and then we would make an ultimate unnecessary roughness road trip for two thousand twenty one less so if we all disagree on said game we have to argue about it. I know you said you wanted to draft. But i think we should squat up for once and pick one game each week so i went through several reiterations of several preparations preparations eight through. Ged preparation h. Is the one that is going to be on the hall so i am going with. I've got several. I got five games per week so that we can start. How long have you been planning that. I wrote all this out last night. No what you just said. How long have you been planning that. So i sat down last night with a pen and paper and i went and bought. I'll tell you what you know. What's great about being down here. Walmart's walmart you. There's no walmarts and new york hub. Buddy buddy i live in fucking jersey newark. Nearest walmart is twenty two miles away. Okay i hear in every single town. The biggest building in town is walmart. The second biggest billing town is the oh walmart okay. That's where i'm at right now. I am thirty seconds walmart. I went and bought. Nineteen of the spiral bound notebooks for twenty five cents a piece. I am plucking ready. Let me walmart you know what else i'm near a sonic. I went to sonic sonics right out the front door. That's awesome great. I just showed katie. Why i stopped you on your preparation. H. on your whole comment. I had chili cheese tater tots and a route. Forty four sweet tea for lunch. Yes he made a him. Roy joke whatever they had no idea and i had to let them know how discuss it. I am like picturing. He's fine. Fourth i got. I've got the five tanks. We're going to do the ultimate road trip correct. Yes and you guys. Jackie had some lists. You wanna look at no. I just thought the pro football focus quarterback list was interesting so as their top fifty players in college football this season list. I just thought we don't have to spend that much time on it. There were few interesting. I mean i don't wanna ruin it but there's a quarterback on that list that's very love is that quick. Okay that in law for those listening hours just pointing at somebody on our podcast of for somebody. That was loved the quarterback that was low. I haven't seen that particular less yet. You sent me the fifty best players in college football last night And i thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was fucking ra- So yeah we'll discuss that. I gotta get my takes off and then anything else. We got some news Looks like oh. Yeah we gotta talk about this kansas thing. Yeah yeah has less miles a piece of shit. My column probably yeah. Yeah i mean what a tweet by me was my kansas city star. Should be paying me for the promotion. Did for them. Fifty thousand link clicks for the kansas city star from our account. Oh that's the most they've ever had in their entire existence. Why didn't you just blog. Their store and the clicks for barstools forced to go to a wedding. And i didn't want to be called the scumbag for not going. Who would do that. Yeah i know definitely. You definitely would have flown under the radar. Had you not gone to that wedding for sure. I never would have been invited that wedding. Oh no no. I know but jack was invited and he chose to go to the wedding which was a smart move. In retrospect because certain someone who didn't has gotten fucking roasted for it you didn't have tickets to the bucks game. I didn't i couldn't even watch the weren't even any. Tv's at the place. Where why am. I got married this weekend. I think because finally the world is open. Or i guess the country is open so everyone can parties again. Yeah i advise against getting married. You're playing at the right way casing. I know i don't want to get married. Sounds not great to be honest I had sex just two months ago. Thank you very much. Okay so i mean i. We talked about this routing. I talked about this on our drive back from the shore house last weekend. You remember when we're in mississippi me rudy and katie. And you're like it's wild that the three of you guys don't necessarily know who the next person you're going to have sex with us and rooting are like it is really crazy that like if you are married and you are a very loyal person like you know forever. You're going to have sex with yup. That's a wild thing to think about schedule. Every every tuesday night. After mac and cheese and pork chops. I'm not this doesn't sound like life for me. That's like pork chops. I do love mac and cheese. I married you just not for me right now. Maybe one day living. What's your favorite southern food. Because casey let me tell you something. I've had fried okra. I've had a i've had some are corn and people down of northbound even of you know in texas what sweetcorn in different collard greens or my favorite. I'm not a big green sky. But i liked it. They're available collard greens with like the really crispy bacon them. Put a little bit of vinegar on them all oxytocin. You like hot sauce. I put hot sauce on literally everything. But dan you get some fresh cooked collard greens and bacon some vinegar. Some hot sauce. By the way i ran into meredith again. Who had last year blonde hair girl. She had cancer and she said i ran into her and omaha took a picture with her And send it to. But i forgot about it until now well send it to me anyways i will. I will meredith shutout all right g. cans. Should we talk about. Kansas is the dumpster fire. So a it's a dumpster fire that was. I don't think it's dumpster fire now. I believe rosa was speaking of the. Kansas won the hiring process this year. I think they hired a good coach landslide home from buffalo and they got a lot of transfers from buffalo. I think kansas will be considerably better team from the absolute who knew that when we were all wrong we were all stupid two years ago when they hire less miles where you're like. Finally kansas get serious about football. Finally kansas hire a real football coach finally less miles getting another opportunity. It turns out no he. he was trash at kansas. He was trashed. She was human. Ming and now it comes out that there was a player at kansas. Who was going through. Some things and another player threatened to kill him and when he went to less miles in the kansas administration. They didn't do anything about it. They offered him fifty thousand dollars to shut up. Well just unbelievable what to make it to make it worse. The guy the kid wasn't from what the story that was written in the kansas city star made it seem as if it wasn't necessarily that he was going through something. He reported anonymously to the kansas athletic department that the players that live below him or selling drugs and then they i assume those players put to into together and said it must have been him who anonymously reported they knew. It was anonymously reported because less miles brought them in to his office to say and talk about art. I think mile said. Hey stop that shit just so you know. It's on people's radar when less miles found out. People under team were selling drugs by the way kansas stunk under les miles so those three players. Whoever was who knows if they're still on the team they they may they. They probably weren't even that good to keep around to like Two while they were selling drugs and then after that then they became a little bit of robbery. Saying we're gonna kill you because you were snake snitch. Also like the little details of like he would notice that like the lug nuts on his tires would just be loosened. That's fucking terrifying. No yet the the guy. The player that was threatened to be who is threatened fucked with three players on the kansas football team. That didn't fuck around and not in a good way on attire. that is like no. They threatened to kill him. they wanted to yes. But i mean just like that's like just in the next level threatening. I'm gonna fucking kill you to your face like that's just like doing sneaky shit note. I think they actually. It wasn't going to kill you. Throw in like what mcgregor said this was like. No no no. We're gonna kill you you just don't know how can i just say one thing. Yeah of course again if any body marshall every threatens to kill me and barstool tries to get me shut up with fifty thousand dollars. I'm going to take the money fifty cats. Ck our probably negotiate up to one hundred. But yeah i'm definitely taken the money and shutting up up for sure i don't if they no no because the money one hundred k. has good that's an outdoor kitchen. You're gonna leave your kids without a dad. But i feel like they're not they're at least going to fix the problem too. And gimme the nine asli reporting trying to get the problem fixed and only got worse. What's going to happen after you take two hundred k. o. Then they're going to want the money they're gonna rob me and kill me. Yep exactly so. You're you're dead and you don't even have an outdoor kitchens leave and go stay with his family like the witness protection program. Fuck that. I think outdoor kitchens or so bad ass air so bad outdoors showers or even better though. Oh outdoor showers or boss to anything that should be inside really outdoor. Tv's outdoor anything at your house. That should be inside is a boss move. That's a good point. Seven outdoor toilets. That means you're very poor. We don't we. Don't want that but outdoor outdoor showers and outdoor kitchens are definitely top of my list but yeah this situation is so it's just like fifty thousand dollars to tell some kid to shut up and go home. They didn't even offer them fifty thousand dollars. They offered him a ski. It was equated the fifty thousand dollars it was his scholarship and then his per diem so he got fifty k. And his trip home. Don't worry i'm not really worried about the player and what they offer. This is just further proof that les miles is just a colossal piece shit There's all this stuff he's tied to lsu with the sexual assault and the hiding nat There's this like less. Why don't you just fuck in handle some business one time. Why don't you fuck and say hey don't kill this guy entre say hey you're going to kill somebody you're off the team. Hey stop raping. People know you just want to win. Football games less is done done done. Now he's done so he's on the list for sure and the more that comes out the it's like. How did kansas not do their due diligence with all this stuff with him. That's what i'm so confused. I understand this happened at kansas. But we had this exact same conversation. The last time information came out about him. How did does not know this was happening. Did they just not care. Do they not look for it was it. Was it hidden who knows. But he seems like a real bag shit. While the one thing i say about kansas. They got new athletic director. They got new everything new coverages. They seem to be going in a positive direction. Like i said. I love the jokes landslide over in buffalo. I think he's a legitimate coach that they finally got instead of a character unless miles in a really shitty asshole character unless miles brandon told me that you died at the college world series in omaha. You were you. Were actually legitimately dead for a couple of hours higher. You feel now. Well let me tell you a more update days story okay. this is about revitalize this is about the drink that sponsors us. That has absolutely fantastic. Their strawberry drink is my favourite tasting. Drink in the world but about friday last friday. I decided to go play golf down here in mississippi with my my friend and you guys now yeah i do. His name bradley barton. He's an almost fan so we go out. We play a little golf. I play twelve holes. And then i pass out and i get my head my mind now the last time this happened in new york i my migrants setting in when i had to run on the treadmill and we went back to the office. I got a couple of invites them down. I ran went away. I was fine. I was able to to get everything this time. I did not have ri- light and try another drank. Needless to say the migraine set in. And i was toast all night. Bombing everything i overeat a lot and i need my revitalize because it takes care of me and i don't even know if that's the story they won't tell i lived. Well i mean they want people to know that it re hydrates you for sure puts all those electrolytes back in you. I'm sorry that you pass out after twelve holes. That's a sad sight. But to add here. Casey going on new york is not like going outside and mississippi. I grew up in texas asshole. Well i grew up in mississippi. It was hot and it was ninety degrees and it was not the heat humidity. I know i know it's hottest fuck. I'm saying this. Which is why you needed to take some provide alight with you. Meanwhile those of us that were maybe on the east coast drinking a little bit. I needed revitalize very badly. Because it's really good when you're dehydrated. It's good when you're hung over. It tastes amazing. Like you said the orange one is my favorite. But the one that's popping right now is the black label the barstool black label the blue one. We made our own version has stolen stars on it. You can get it right now at convenience stores the parcels sports store get liquor stores and i say this all the time and i really can't say this enough the fact that you don't have to look like an asshole shopping with the baby. Shoppers is my favorite part of the strings. Like going to get the other brand while you're standing next to like baby. Wipes is so incredibly awkward to me but that blue flavor of that we did is also delicious. it's fantastic. I love the strawberry. The most with the blue flavors. Very good e- drink half before you go to sleep half when you wake up you can drink them throughout the day like we do whether you're dehydrated from working out at does truly help your hangovers. And we're all partying right now. Most of us are so make. Sure you go grab your revitalize again you can tag at drink. Provide light and your morning after stories go to partial sports store and get your vitali black label today and don't pass out like brandon. Did twelve holes. Sounds like a fun saturday. Damn right this morning. Frank solich Step down ohio ohio by the way one of the favorites to win the mac. They're they're very good team very program and he is stepping down so what that means is old teddy bear. Brown is now the oldest coach in college football. Yeah what a saint and still. He did comma teddy bear. That's a compliment. Hold on katie. This literally what you told me before. The show i was like. Oh so you said yeah. Matt ramsey oldest coaching football repeated. Your fact yeah. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I just so it's kinda spicy today my thing we're like why does he do it. Close the year to the because he just found out how sticky is right health issues. Mark my bad. I missed that part of the announcement. Yeah it's like health concerns. No because he doesn't really worry about old people and their deaths or funerals or anything you know it was funny. Katie though everything was fine when you text me that i was sitting in the funeral. I was answering you. I was like okay. Well i was thinking about the games. I was on the games i was like well and then you sent the follow text. Don't worry about it. So i'll put my phone number. I love that you were just like. Oh shit i gotta get or these answers. Because then i text her and i said do i need to get them to you today. Can i get him to tomorrow. When i'm not drinking. And she goes. Well brandon's out of funeral so we can revisit this. I like all right. So brandon is like mourning the loss of a family member. And i'm too drunk to look these games up so this is the ground. I don't think we ever got on the phone. This is the grandmother who was a huge alabama fan. And i think. I've tried to call her on the show. A couple of times last year to mess whether about alabama but So she announcement she she got buried with a bear bryant hat and an alabama crimson tide blanket inside the casket sal huge huge alabama fan. So it was at her request. Yeah yes she was. She's bedtime alabama when they played out or how. Clean our house now just elephants and all his roll tide shit. I didn't get anything. But a couple of cookbooks. So the alabama memorabilia. No i don't. I do all cookbooks. So any o'reilly auto parts hats or no. no no. no. We're actually related to dillon. He dolan says he was. Could he make the funeral or was he had a shift. No nice close tuscaloosa. You didn't know how to get the guy got it so all right more news anymore. News i don't think there's a whole on news talk state tattoos guys they want. They're asking for all their stuff to be reinstated. Which brings me to a question. I'm sure you guys talked about it on the show last week or last two weeks but with the nfl stuff passing and with players allowed to get money now. Is it time to forgive every player that ever got punished for taking money. Is it time to forgive every booster that ever gave money. Is it time to forgive. Every coach that ever got busted and got out of the business because he was giving players money. Is it time to do all that or do you say no you. They were the rules. Dan you broke them so you're always looked at his now. Cast i mean my inclination. Say yes you should forgive all of them. But i know that that's not what's going to happen. Like the big one is should reggie bush get his heisman but we did talk about that and i said i thought he should have gotten it back even before the. Nfl stuff came. I thought it was always ridiculous. We know who won the heisman. The year that reggie bush won the heisman. I think they should get vince young. Who should have won the heisman. I i'm a big. I'm a big proponent of five years after the awards given out let's do a should have one at the guys on the guy who wanted to the want keep it but otherwise you know give charles woodson stoop peyton manning give give choices somebody else. He'll theory that would be that'd be great. That'd be electra. Tv though like the master ceremony how they have to like put the green jacket on the next winter like they have to just hand them their trophy like a marketing room had been dominant. Sue went to marketing rooms house and and had to repossess by himself. The that's i watch. It would be fantastic. How i have a few news notes. Go ahead all right. We'll start the arkansas wisconsin and notre dame offense of line were all sponsored by barbecue places. All in their respective college towns. I think that's great right. Barbecue in arkansas is going to send us. Some barbecue is great. They're the official offensive. Line sponsors of the arkansas razorbacks. We'll see they're going to send us some some barbecue up. Get sam penman. Unblock me on twitter. Okay i'll ask them that too then. This was interesting on the nfl front. This was from july. Sixth cave on thebault. Which is who's probably gonna be a top five pick. His first and i'll deal was with phil knight in tinker hatfield who were both loaded and both big boosters of the oregon program and it was just an art piece. So are we going to see kind of You know how some businesses we'll just somebody on staff pay them one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year. Just be just do whatever because like they're like a friend family or something like that though. You see that in organized crime a lot is that what boosters are gonna feel. Boosters are going to start working like mafia members shredder. We're just we're just a transition period. It will be confusing. It will be. It will be hard to follow for awhile. Guys will be getting their money but eventually the incidentally will just say what controlling this is like is like a controlling a flow a dam or controlling a a raging river is just this is leading towards him just getting actual salaries of five ten years down the road. It's wide open now. I don't know it's the wild west. I mean whatever a guy can get. He's gonna get who the guys who've been now make no mistake. The boosters like the accuse phil knight or something but big boosters at schools have been paying players for a long long time and now they can do it right. They have reported on their taxes. Now that's all changed at doing that. Anyways they were just lying about what it was. So i mean i. It's like it's murky it. You don't really know what's going on. But i think you can just rest assured that players are getting taking care of now and it will streamline itself into a sensical system very very soon. That's what i mean anytime. There's money it will eventually figure itself out in the most efficient way possible brain. What i said when we talk a couple of weeks ago was that it is also going be like the snowball effect because you know they came out and they said you can't do alcohol or only fans or gambling whatever but then they basically said you can do anything else other than byu in coffee. But that's gonna start getting murky to like. I think it's getting get messy because are going to start finding ways to do cameo like like all of these things are not gonna be able to regulate so it is moving towards the salary thing for sure but like the in. The idea is amazing the way that it was implemented all of a sudden you can just do whatever you want outside of like adult tie brands. Like it's gonna be a pain in the ass for a lotta people. But i think that's the best way to do for sure. See footing into it would have been a mistake. I love it. I'm saying that. I don't think that schools and i mean obviously the nc double a. Who are just clowned. Basically like it's going to be very very hard to have any type of containment on this all right so anymore. Yes yes ruckers. wide receiver. Karnal davis was knocked out on july fourth and the jersey shore. I don't know if you saw that video. That was a good not a good video. I should say that. He he was injured. Dimitrius roberson a us. He was a big recruit when he came on as wide receiver. He was at cowley went to georgia. He transferred the auburn and then conveniently. There was a report surface again. The georgia media decided to put out that he is a felony charge against them. Which is actually just stemming from like parking in the wrong place and car. Yeah at the university of georgia. Then there was one tuffy to third. Oh my god. Did you see that dog. So cute jesse creature. That is my only. He was walking out there and fly like flew through and he got his attention for a second. You haven't only thing about that as a unc. Fan i gotta say and state cute dog and much better than those two balls about cheap perfect human or perfect dog there. The wolf pack. They have a dog as mascot. You wolfson dogs are like the same that looks like a wolf husky but it looks like a wolf. Looks like wait. What do you expect them to have a tame. They contain a tiger but they walked off. That's fucked up. How they tend that tiger tiger should be in the lyles exactly. That dog is domestic. Dog is being scott. Wha- we have now we have south carolina. Did you see this photo this guy. Yes crop top gang I love that. And then this wait. 'til branding is back to talk about this. I refuse to shame that katie. What do you like. So what's your problem with reveille. She's not an aggie. Yeah come back on that one asshole. Nc state rival the whole pack of wolves not their mascot give the crimson tide is not a fucking elephant. You won't alabama just have a whole bunch of water and just stadium until everybody says they want you think they haven't thought about having an elephant walk them out. I got some bad news for you. They definitely tried to do that. But he's saying that if you went through to the actual mascot name that they would just drown everyone at bryant denny because they're the roll tide. Oh that would be unbelievable kind of thing about threat. Just drop a swarm of yellow jackets ono. Don't do that. Don't do that casey. We're not gonna talk about that okay. One last thing casey. We're going to talk again about this texas guy. Did you see this brandon. The kid dancing locker. Whatever over these We're not shaming wiggled. Dickey was six are no or not. I'm just not knowledge to let them do stupid either way. Is i have some beef with you. Guys ben grinding away at this social account for four years shane. Beamer reaches out to us on the social account. And i text twice in our group chat shane. Beamer falls us. Shame beater tweeted at us. Shane beamer just interacted us with even garcia. No reply outside of katy. Which i understand things going on but but right now right now and but like come on guys. My grandmother died. I don't remember this. is it tax. It's back when i hit a live in grandmother. No it's not. Jesus condolences to the marshall football player. That unfortunately passed away. And tanner morgan's father tender morgan the quarterback from minnesota who passed away That was really unfortunate And outside of that. I think we i retweeted umass. Football is back to full capacity to not there ever will be full capacity. Oh cases tattoo got updated. Yeah what was the update out the gig onto your forehead. No it's always been there. He got more details on my face. Apparently that's creepy. Yeah he definitely. I mean. That's my face is tattooed on a man's thigh or at brennan. Let's get you five six five six. Well you've already given one. No i haven't yes. He did or was it. I just remember you said this was your take all i. It's a part of my take. Okay here are my five. Tech's okay if you read. What's he going. Bathroom north watts. He's just doing test one. Okay number one. Every year we walk into a season. And there's this theory out there Of non ball fan said. Oh it's going to be one of three teams every year. Only three teams when it's alabama years clinton every state every year here is the thing in two thousand twenty one alabama clemson and ohio state are not going to be down as programs however alabama clemson and ohio state are all going to be down enough that it opens up the field for more parody at the top of college football this season if you walk into the season thinking oh it's alabama it's clinton's ohio state you're robbing yourself of a wide open top of the field and comfortable this year. There are two teams to programs. That won't right into that under just as strong as those three. So that gives us five. And then there's others like notre dame texas. Am iowa state that are in that six to fifteen range that can compete for a playoff spot. I think there are five programs. This year that our ultimate national title contenders and i put one of these teams who i've had it on the past as my national title favourite as of right now georgeanne that same that i have on in the past. I have realized over the off season. They will finally in two thousand twenty one. The team that their fans have pretended they've had the whole time. It's the oklahoma sooners. So i saw her number five and six georgia and oklahoma four and five. Or yes. okay. I believe alabama clemson ohio state georgia oklahoma or your five national title tier teams this year. The second year has your am notre. Dame's your your other teams but this year that's here is not very teams fighting. Oklahoma may have a defense this year. Oh oklahoma so two years ago oklahoma fans were wrong when they said oh we have defense. Now we haven't even now have now jovan new orleans and joe borough throws from ninety five touchdowns now they actually have one. They have a pass rush. They have a good defense. They have a lot coming back on the defense. They're an actual decent defense now and their offense their main. They're only question mark to me. Is prince rattler really elite or is he oklahoma elite because there's oklahoma elite. They can win. The big twelve went to a conference title and gets playoff and shit the bet or there's really elite which is winning national title. I don't know if he's really. We'll find out. But i having a stroke. Their receiver core is very very good at always moms other guys are you okay. Yeah why because he hates oklahoma. Oh no no no. No no no. He's rational home brand walker tells the truth at all times brandon walker has never lied about oklahoma brokers. Always been right about oklahoma. So when brian walker finally looked at oklahoma and says oh they're legit then you better fucking put the money down there legit. They finally got a legit running back. Kenny brooks. he's just a guy. But they got eric great from oklahoma from tennessee. They got like four or five transports in tennessee. They can fill immediate holes for them. They're very very very good this year. Georgia's my choice to win the national title. But i think georgia oklahoma one this year. Do you think that okay. Let's let's hypothetically say spencer. Rattler is elite to see when the heisman we'll certainly be in the running for it We'll do the heisman. Michigan conference doesn't play defense. They will be all the marquis games and he will be in playoff contention so yeah. He'll he'll probably be in your for the heisman ceremony i think. Jt daniels for the heisman ceremony for giving these guys stay healthy But if you look at alabama clemson ohio state everybody just assumed assumes and that's fine but two years ago alabama was not in the playoffs. They weren't and they're not. You know ordained to be there every year and this year everybody assumes bradshaw. That's going to be great. Right is gonna be that. Because he's alabama's quarterback he's like five six. He's probably gonna be really fucking good but i can't put them above somebody who spencer rattler who's proven at this level. I like oklahoma my second. Take my second take. And this isn't five because i just like combined like three in that one. I think the big twelve can be the number two conference in the country. This year by nasty. Sec behind the sec and challenge the thing about it if texas is any good which is which is a stretch and steve sarkissian. Everybody thinks he's forty six and thirty five tom but if they're good that gives them a strong three because iowa state a national title contender there a second tier national dinner and then oklahoma's a first year titled too. I mean i don't think the acc has to. I don't think the big ten is your has to you. Don't think that that. Acc with clemson north carolina. And i'd say here's the thing about north carolina. They have the best quarterback in the country. They lost every receiver both running backs. He is going to be surrounded by entirely new guys. Offensively defensively they'll be good but i don't think they're they're jumping to that level yet. What about miami. Miami's a wildcard. I think they could be an eleven one team and pretend they also could be a mirage. Right i just. I mean i think that this year the acc would be more of an argument that they could contend has a charm. Rose okay. yeah why he'd lines cocaine. No no no. No i just. I'm sorry my nose etched in. Okay jack can. I disagree about the unc. Part dying. the. I think that you find a reload. I just don't think we can get by clinton so i don't think like will be the top of the acc act makes it's gonna be clemson. It's not gonna be us by some maybe miracle of god otherwise no who have clemson never really lose it last year notwithstanding how they never lose the second best team in the acc they always randomly lose like the fourth of six best team in the acc someone. Yeah you know who that is going to be for them this year. Nc state nc state nc state is going to be good but see. That's my argument with that. Is that like the. I think that the acc is more of a you much better than see. Stay way way. More competitive conference has been because trevor lawrence has gone quarterback wise. I'd say the topic i will say. It does fit the narrative that clemson's playing nc state at clemson. Nc state never beat clemson at their own stadium. They always beat them. Or what i mean. I think i like. I'll meet yes Nc states arrival of unc. For football. But i just don't. I'm not worried about them from a football standpoint bill rivalry but that's definitely something that can sneak up. They have the talent and the depth this year. They're definitely planning raleigh jar. No they're not all week for planning roy. I love it. He said no. They're not as if it was just absolutely they made my list for week four I will say though with ohio state. I was talking to two big today again. Everybody's always excited about the next guy after you'd have somebody like justin fields. But he's doped about this new quarterback. Of course he has because he's a fucking ohio state fan who stoked about any by the. Where's the grey in the scarlet. He's he's stoked now and then next offseason he'll be stoked about quin yours. The recruit from texas. Who's like the highest recruit. They've ever ever twenty four seven has them as a perfect one. Point zero zero zero zero. He's a higher recruit trevor long or obsessed with this guy bleacher report put out an insert grim posting. We've identified the next patrick mahomes about. He's still has another year of high school. i wanted to somewhere in texas carol. oh yeah dona southlake carroll turns out now yeah they do but still. I mean like yeah. He's he's excited about j. T. shrout for for for a week for a month and then it'll be the next guy We now here's the thing about ohio state clemson alabama every single one of them replacing their quarterback every single one of them replacing their main running back every single one of them alabama's replacing every receiver the four receivers over the last two years. I understand their alabama. And i understand. There's going to be a bunch of five stars but you've got teams like oklahoma and georgia than built for this season. Just like lsu was built for two thousand nineteen and nobody saw it coming. Oklahoma and georgia built for this season. Alabama's not albums hoping that they gotta quarterback. They're hoping they got running backs. They're hoping that always five stars be great receivers but oklahoma georgia railroad now. I like the oklahoma take to him. You know that. I've been team oklahoma for three years until they get to the playoffs. But the biggest thing that you said which is absolutely true and you know big twelve fans lose their fucking mind every time we say this but the big twelve does not play good defense in comparison to other conferences but if oklahoma can play good defense in the big twelve then it will be a cakewalk for them. I have that the big twelve hasn't been playing good defense this year. I allstate has got a great defense. Oklahoma's got a great defense state has a really good defense. So this year. I think but you don't even have to like compare them to like an se or a big ten defense like they just have to be a good defense within their conference because half the teams don't play defense. Yeah no that's true. And i just think objectively look at oklahoma boys looked at him as a phony as a fraud. I somebody who could win. That league was built for that league but when they get in there where they lead athletes they could not hold up. And that's been the case. This year i think they have the athletes plus the elite the teams what the athletes a clemson album and ohio state are all in transition years. These are not all strength years for them. These are all transition years for them so and their transition years are better than anybody else's great years but it's still transition year so i think that's why i think oklahoma is a legitimate. Not just a threat the playoff when they get there. I think they can actually win. This time locum brandon. No no no no not welcome you light. You'll get a on mistakes me. You mocked me. For saying spencer rattler was going to be a really good quarterback. I drafted oklahoma last year. Along per se in jalen hurts was great and they can win a national title. Then that was ridiculous. No i well. I didn't say they could win a national title. They're gonna lose in the playoff. But i said that jalen hurts was a good quarterback but when we drafted teams last year. Oh she's gonna like spencer rattler just because he's an oklahoma quarterback here we are a year later. Welcome there's a difference last year and this year last year he had never proven anything. He was fine. Melting still wasn't an elite. He was fine. The lost two games but this year. I think he's going to be a lot better now. my next he's rubbing his hands together. I if you're listening to this and not watching the youtube you're really doing yourself a disservice. Because brandon's facial expressions and hand gestures today have been off the charts. I think the new playoff will drive an exciting surge of group of five football. And i think group of five football is about to catch fire. I think it's about to open up the sport. This happens in the next five to ten years. But once you see group of five teams able to get playoff spots and once you see us cincinnati. Let's use natty for example. Know jack doesn't like him but they're the best to provide team this year. Let's say look to stay there ten years and they in the first year of the expanded playoffs. They made it and they made it again all of a sudden. You've got a group of five alabama. You've you've got a group of five program that can that can absolutely stick up there and make the playoff every year and it changes the dynamics. Cincinnati now maybe sucks a little bit of life away from ohio state. I'm using him as example. I don't know if that's going to happen. But i think these top nine or ten group of five teams can have such a competitive war every year for these ten eleven. Twelve spots the cincinnati's the ucs memphis The the the boise state of the world nevada's of the world. I think this is going to be such an exciting subtext to the season. Everybody says only three games matter every year. Still going to be very teams. Know when you get these fucking sixty teams fighting out for these three two or three spot one or two spots. It is going to be fucking electric. And what does it mean. Let's say let's say. Cincinnati were to catch fire okay. Let's say they were test fire. Let's say just for argument's say they made four or five playoffs in a row. Does the big ten say. Hey cincinnati come come dance. I don't know is that certainly. If this were integrating fourteen could make that happen. Yeah i mean it's going to get really interesting because we knew with four spots in the playoff that a group of five team was ninety. Nine point i'm going to say ninety nine point. Five percent never going to make the playoffs even if they went completely undefeated because having four spots and five power conferences. Whatever like that was just impossible so they were all fighting out for those at large bids in the the big bowl games now with the expanded playoff. You're absolutely right. Because they know that they could actually make on a stage where they play the ohio states in the alabama in the clemson's and all of those games matters so much. That's why i hate this. Whole argument like expanding. The playoff makes the regular season matter. Less it does not. It makes it matters so much more to teams like cincinnati. Because they know they might have a chance to go in and beat nick sabin in the playoff if they play well throughout the season so i love it and also from a gambling standpoint. It's gonna be really fun. Because like now i mean you already gambling on like the big group of five games. Now you're gonna be paying attention to the group of five even more so so a couple more takes. There's this notion out there that lsu is going to bounce back this year. And i think it's fucking stupid like say that i've like to squat on the tape at lsu was average last year that will be average this year because they have an average head coach and they have above average talent but they went out and found defensive coordinator. Nobody else wanted they. This is not going to be a back program. jack. I don't want to deal with the lsu smoke. Don't don't let this particular we just wanna go and tell you lsu by saying they're gonna win tantalum games no no. They're really not. So where do you think are going to be. Here's the i think the sec down this year. i think alabama's gonna be good not elite. I'm sorry. Limited refers at alabama by alabama standards will not be elite. You're not seeing alabama's gonna be bad. I keep wanting a preference i just like in your last. Take when you say. Clemson and alabama teams go. This is a lower tier. Alabama team can still god tier college football. Alabama am georgia or your top three sec teams after that four four four for thirteen minus vanderbilt. All the exact same auburn lsu arkansas mississippi florida kentucky put them all in a sack thrown around and drawn out the same even with mrs offense. Their defense might be the worst in the country. Plus listen our say this about i really. I'm looking forward to watching them this year. I think lane kiffin. Great father figure those those players out there. I think i think anybody would. Daddy issues would love to watch miss this year. He's he's just a great. He's able to be that team and he's he's just a very good father figure. I just want to say that about lane kiffin i. I won't say anything else. But stephen garcia followed me on twitter. Who did because he interacted anyways. I just now. He just follow me on twitter. Okay super okay. We're just gonna brag about stephen garcia. Well no. I'm saying that jack was right about us. Not interacting with the tweet. Had we interacted with. I mean shame. Beat or whatever by the way brennan do you know. Lsu's win total and a half under. I think i'd now. I i would think over their schedule. You guys you're falling for. Let me tell you another thing. You'll talk let me tell you this. Oh boy not his piaget going under. I'm making a statement right now. They're losing the ucla and now they shut actually. Ucla has game ahead of time. I game okay okay fine. I'm writing some people. Wait what's the date. It's leasing starters back fourteen. They've sixteen starters back last year. They replacing entire team. They also had bopha pollini who may have been the worst. Sec defensive coordinator of all time and then on top of that. Their schedule isn't that hard. They avoid georgia they avoid. I think they avoid florida. I'm they play. They play for it. Of course what am i saying. But then they have to play obama. And i'm of course. And then between ole miss florida. I think they could even find a way to win because they play florida at home and then i think they'll lose that almost all right. I mean that's the ucla lsu line. Right now i would assume it's like where's the minus four and a half it's at ucla. I would take plus four and a half right now when you see always going to be favor about getting kicks off. That's that's a crazy before the game before because they have is in like year. Four chip kelly. I tell you there. If chip kelly is ever going to be any more time for coach. Oh two i would say. It's more time for him. Did you see that list. Somebody tweeted us. That i tell you. I tweeted from the not on it. Oh i just can't. I don't love lsu over under the way just to win. Totals next. jim harbaugh's number six. Bring your bring your brandon. Really your five favorite win totals next week. Okay we'll write that down. Did you see this hottest coaching seats. Heading into two thousand twenty one list are do scott. Frost is number one. Do you agree with that. Although i think today's news of albert's being named the russia led richard pryor bison a year. Yeah hotel is five jim harbaugh is six clay helton is seven number one pays to probably be number one herm edwards seems okay so number one scott. Frost is wednesday. Three is is randy. Edsall four herm edwards five coach. Oh six jim harbaugh. Seven klay held eight. Walt bell and nine dana diamond. You tip while. Her members is only on the list. Because of what's going on behind the scenes I don't think for anything that's on the field. So we'll we'll figure that out but yeah i'd probably say for wednesday should be number one two and frost process a very strong one or two but again i think traverse the football guy being today's buys me here i don't think he walks in and fires hometown guy in your that anymore anymore. Hot takes from you. Yeah well there was one more so jat mentioned. Lsu's over eight and a half. I think the over under total that. I would marry myself to the most right. Now is indiana under Eight and a half. I think in the end of the the biggest fraud from last year. It is assume that. Be a top fifteen team this year. In fact michael. Junior is number five on that pro. Football focus quarterbacks list. I think that is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen in my life. And he has nowhere near the fifth best quarterback in the country. They're going to start owen one. They're going to start one and two. I looked at this earlier. They're going to start two and three start three and four. They've got some really tough games. Early they gotta go to penn state as well. Indiana is going to. They're gonna fall on their face. Yeah play cincinnati an out of conference. Can i just say this. And i know we only had to go one year without it because it was the global pandemic but these these non conference matchups sounds so sexy and i don't know if they would sound sexy the sexy if we didn't have last year happened but boy do these non conference matchups out the big ten in the big ten steps. One was some conference games victory in week. One has penn state wisconsin and indiana where they start at at iowa starting then cincinnati in week three. They got at penn state in week five. They got at ohio state or the state at home in week. Seven at michigan week nine. They're gonna. they're gonna be flirt. Losing season all season indiana. Because be interesting. Wait you know who. Indiana was last year brandon so yup and what in minnesota the year after their breakthrough fell apart. Wh- that yeah. That's what i was getting it. I'm not sold on indiana being one and done entirely but they were. There were a fraud last year. There was not getting blown out by ohio state. No me it's hard to tell like. Especially like look at the michigan and penn state. You don't really know how much of its covert. How much of it is a year. How much of it is just the environment. Like i think penn state will have the biggest bounce back out of all of them. I think penn state is a is a great ten for for bounceback. Michigan's not going to be fine. But i don't think. I don't think it's going to be like bounce back to where michigan fans want them to be. I mean who's really do for. Lsu has to be do. They only went five and five michigan again. The fact that we knew they probably wouldn't fire. Jim harbaugh over the fact that gave him an extension. It was good for them to give him extension. They got they didn't have to pay him as much money. Show all right here. We go wait. Hold on yes. Can i go get another water. My throat's dry. Yeah go literally a high noon. Washington will i guess they didn't eat. That's not a bounceback. Because they were supposed to be in the pac twelve championship game. That is phil. Steele's number one. Is it surprise team or and who was. Who was his number one overall team. Wasn't someone surprising to. Oklahoma is oklahoma. Which isn't that rising. But i would say that i mean. I don't think there's a lot lotta places out there that have oklahoma number one. I agree and i the thing about oklahoma as if you study them. The the problems they've had recently are having an actual defense and a fake defense but now they have filled so many holes with with transfers. I mean they have. They probably hit the transfer puerto harder and better than anybody. They got tennessee. all tendencies. the players and eric gray. I think it's an all american running back waiting to happen. And they picked up that wide receiver from arkansas. I recall correctly and didn't even meet him just went and got him. They didn't even meet them and they had a running back or h back that got arrested and kicked off the team this past week but i looked into it. They don't need him. He was just one of one of like fifteen options. this year. Heading into the season for spencer rattler oklahoma lincoln riley. I know there's a lot. There's a big a lot of questions out. There is an elite coach. Not just a great coach. But i completely agree with you. They really have a chance to be calm. Maybe something in. Maybe they take a step forward. That's crazy to say because they've made the playoffs so many times maybe step forward to be winning a playoff game. Well yeah that's that's the step right. I mean they permanent playoff. They haven't proven they can win in the playoffs. So that's that's what i think all right. Let's fill our ultimate road trip for has won't do that. yes also. I just like everyone to know that. Normally we do this podcast. And the other podcast. 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Two seven seventy three. So how'd you guys won't talk about do we want to nominate a game Every every person nominates game from wait one week two and then we'll decide what game. Yes so so we will. I think we should just go round the table like wine. What our number one nomination is. And if it's unanimous than we know if it's not then we argue it or we'll go ladies first. Casey starts then then katie. Are we doing weeks zero to right now. Why don't we go to hawaii. Ucla okay yeah sir. Put that down. We're going to hawaii or do you want to go to fresno we know we're going to hawaii okay. I'm which i do not want to go to fresno california week one despite my graphic that we put out saying that it would be alabama versus miami. I say we go to georgia at clemson. Yes agreed so. You're you're nominating georgia clemson at charlotte. So that's a neutral site. Yes i agree with her all right well here the ones i thought enough yet to nominate one. I thought of penn state it wisconsin thought of that too in the nfl iowa. I cross off list because of all those stupid ass bitches. Iowa sneaky one sneaky one north carolina virginia tech on a friday night. I saw that one. I saw that one too. Not thrilled about lsu ucla but i think unanimously we will. We will go ahead and decide best game of the week. We will knock out now here. You gotta think you think okay so this is taken away george clemson. You hit those teams one more time. Yes but but it doesn't take away tire stadium though. Yeah so that's why. I liked it because neither of those teams playing tiger stadium casey. Lsu definitely sorry death valley. Death doesn't take away death valley so we're going unanimously. Jack georgia clemson arlit k. That's easy georgia clemson. Charlotte is wig one. Put that on the graphic your week to source ula more difficult. Are we still going to be the same order. Do you want to mix up the order. we'll go say more because that was easy. Let's start the order right here with you organ at ohio state. Same girls just gonna we haven't even seen lists pre. We have our own lists. You can see it on youtube right. Now look brandon own lists suck it all second. Art have cheer them. The i have two other ones on. Yeah what are together joining the help. What are you what are you doing. We thought about it individually. We've prepared. There's two other games that we yup i think four games. But here's a trip. That i would like to take at some point in my life. Utah at byu. I wanna go to. byu only go to provo. I wanna go game out there. It looks beautiful as the holy war. It's it's epic. I think there will be a time to catch. Ohio state later in the season. And i think it's shocked go. Oregon allow states. I don't want to go to utah. Byu or at iowa state. how is it chocolate oregon. Ohio state not chocolate. Take georgia clemson georgia clinton. But i don't want to take two weeks in a row. Talking iowa iowa state would be a good trip share and at mississippi. I mean know events. I'll hey can give you guys a sneaky one to to put on the table though a sneaky one am at colorado so we could go to boulder. I do want to go to boehner this year. but the way i feel like boater border colorado colorado and utah are going to be the same weather same fucking same fucking night so i'd rather go utah. Byu in week. Two jacqueline was your. What was your point. Your state oregon state organs find was state. Okay so majority organ at ohio state. Okay talk ask pitches all chuck. I have different ones. we could go to oregon. Okay we can revisit if almond because utah. Byu and do what circle. I'm the only one the only ones that think outside the box here. No one outside. The boxer reminding ready for my week. Three outside the box. Why are you can go first every time you said to keep it the same so that time. What are you going for a career. I this time. I will go first jacko first week three. Cincinnati at indiana. We're not going to go into indiana ever again Sorry in the nfl. But cincinnati indiana we get to see two teams we get to see or two pretty good teams that have high expectations and also we get to see a indian. Are they legit in when it comes to tailgating for football whatnot. I know there are a basketball school but the second year of a pretty good football program. So cincinnati and indiana is in a bad pick in. My book is brandon. Aren't so i. I have several here that would like to discuss auburn at penn. State you know. Sec big ten clash a going to knock out penn state. It's great road trip. But the one i'm gonna nominate is outside the box because i am capable of that thinking. Well if you're i think you're about to say the one that i'm thinking i i always. I don't like watching this field on tv. However i feel like if i go there and experience an in person might get a new appreciation for it and this is early in the season. I think the weather would be good. Here's the weather we avoid. We need to avoid the south in september. Okay avoid the hot in september avoid cold november. That is my role. So we're gonna go north. We're gonna. I'm gonna nominate oklahoma state at boise state. I do not hate that logic. I cannot look at that field it hurts. My fucking is like i. I'm sure the weather is fantastic. But boy that would hurt to stare out for an entire game all right what's yours mine. Nebraska oklahoma. Why because i think that after all the waves that nebraska last year they're talking about playing and like before the season they were playing like different countries and know they were. They were all about playing. And then you've got oklahoma. Who's a really good team. You've got big ten versus the big twelve. I think you'll actually see how good spencer rattlers against a big ten defense and i want nebraska to be good again i think nebraska is good for football is more fun. The nineties were more fun so nebraska oklahoma like a again non conference games are warning them to be good and then being good two. Different things well right. But i'm saying if i like going to games in norman unless they're playing 'em because in it's terrifying but i think that that game will probably be a night game and nebraska in norman would be a very cool game already. Say it's an eleven. Am game and at home and got really mad. Yeah yeah it's i don't wanna do it if it's a noon kickoff. Oh no no no. No no i r. It's an kickoff what's yours catherine. It was going to be the auburn penn state game but to keep us from all doing four different ones. I'm going to back Sincere indiana oh i. I got on now. Hold on holum jackson something that was erroneous earlier. Okay glared now jackson. Something that was your was never jackson something. I was running us because he said the jersey cough. He said indiana. We'd never come back to you but that's good in week. Eight ohio. Ohio state of indiana doesn't really have much competition. Oh i see. I have that one too but i have. I think the better one week eight. You know raymond. Yeah yeah so all right. So let's decide. If you guys are going to going to ban we got a better. We go week memphis at. Ucf we can go to florida. No yes we go the jump. How's it going to week eight. We gotta figure out. I okay so all right. So what are we going to do week three. We're not going to indiana auburn penn state. Yeah let's go. Auburn penn state straw. Who cares brandon who we have two votes. Then you guys have to agree on one. Two votes majority rule. Do you agree with brandon on boise state Good luck i fucking hate that field and then back down from nebraska oklahoma. No one wants to go with me to fucking norman such disgusting game. That's my thing. Save up for your principles you want. I want boy. You say oklahoma. Say so we're going to auburn. Penn stages chalky chalky chuck. Chuck just awesome stuff. We go to penn state. You know we look like yahoo sports college football just covering the surface of things right now. This look like and it's going to be a great game. Penn state loves barstool going to. Why don't you to wideouts this year. Okay well week four. I have one that. I definitely don't think anybody else is gonna take so. I'm just to go out and say it out loud so you guys can poo poo it. Ready texas tech texas awful. No here's my reasoning. Because when those two fan bases get together they fucking hate each other in austin. We're never going to go back to austin because awesome doesn't have a great Game day atmosphere. As much as other places however i think that texas tech and texas are pretty similar this year. We're going to see how quote back taxes and that game in week four is going to mean a lot for the conference. And i'm telling you guys texas tech fans are fucking fun to party with feel texas would blow and i love. I love austin. I look for any reason to go to austin. But i know i'm gonna i'm gonna get pooh-poohed on and it's a good good fan bases. I don't think the game will be that good. It's i could be wake forest kind of weak. Yeah i mean. There's one shot game that i think everybody else is gonna have. That's why i thought outside the box on that one. Yeah it's almost like we're going to have to settle with that. But so here's what. I wrote down for week four. I wrote down by the way and wait three. We just didn't talk about alabama and florida at all. I have it on my list. But i don't cans and We also didn't talk about one. That i was virginia tech at west virginia buffoonish ship to virginia. They make it people week four though. Here's what i wrote down. I wrote down. Kansas at duke. Because my god just give me the worst game of national. No there's a yukon. You mask game later on. I wrote down clemson at nc state and kansas state and oklahoma state never never experienced water And then my my mac entry for the year. Oh toledo at ball. State muncie is beautiful in that time. September and then tennessee at florida. But i think ultimately it's almost like by default you have to go. Nuredaim versus wisconsin too. That's so chuck is also the rematch last year of lsu at mississippi state that week. I'm saying i'm very unbiased. National journalist so i have put zero mississippi state games on the west. Let's because you're not gonna meaning good the did you watch. Lsu mr protecting sure. I'm just saying fluke tight. What look i unless you was terrible. I i think we have to go. Notre dame at wiscon- verse wisconsin at soldier field. Gazettes does not make fun of you. Katie they had a bad coordinator on defense. Right now. ause you who's defensive coordinator this year correct. You have no fucking idea. I had a that because they hired. Somebody never even. Better fucking coordinate. Then they run. They aren't somebody that coordinator defense looking at my sheet. I made a sixty page power. Five preview move on. I'll find so we're talking it up again. I don't think i'm going to be. I mean bake national games. People put notre dame wisconsin on my list. And i got pooh-poohed for that. I think it's interesting because it's dot com going back home. But i also think it's going to be a nightmare but i have to go with it. Okay week five now. We're getting down to some nitty gritty. Saying that there aren't they. Jones doesn't know how to coach. Defense is like insane. I'm not saying that everybody's assuming that he does though everybody just send me. He's going to be good based on. What based on what i mean. Even if he's average it's a huge upgrade. If he's average they're still going to be not very good. You can't be averaged in the sec. West defense corner. It's five years of nfl experienced but we'll see. I'm going outside the box on week. Five and i don't give a fuck. What jonathan what. What you're gonna say. Texas games like auburn. Lsu jaffer you testy today. Now just say she got oklahoma. Kansas state you have texas at tcu and the cincinnati dame who jackson a half. I love the troops. I love america and you know when people talk talking about going to football games. I about going to army navy with anything. Only these teams success and i wanna go to. Ucf navy and beautiful. Let's maryland on this beautiful fall day. Ucf at navy. Why don't we just go the week. Pro the two weeks prior. We had the the big discussion about week three. We don't know what to do week. Three let's go week. Three army september. Eighteenth that's when call plays. Oh no why not that. We don't know and then all this week we begin this week. We get to go then this week. We go to cincinnati notre dame. No this was going to michigan. Wisconsin no alabama madison. I wanna go back to madison. We've been in wisconsin. We didn't go to the game. they didn't get to go ask her katie nominate here. All missing alabama. I just wanted their arts. The fuck you. I think their offense. That's going be offensive battle. Sec we're gonna do jack they not it was close last cincy notre dame right. Yeah you did. Who a navy. So katie. and. I and i said michigan wisconsin. You you've already said no to that. Ucf navy's just going to be so gross wants to watch a football brennan does. Apparently it's it adds about weeks. No jacket saying no all right if we can't them we're not going to cincinnati. Can we make. Can we make a team decision here that mississippi state at an is probably good for the team. Yeah i concur. I can't we just go to college station for that game. We probably should. It's gonna be hot as hell. I'm just saying week five. It's both of our teams playing each other. You've never been a kyle field. None of you guys have been to kyle field. You've never been to college station. We went to start the last year. Let's go to an this year. Mississippi say dana. All right. Lock it in. And that's not chock good friends none of my suggestions on the heart and soul of the fucking podcasts. Better make but arguments brain go. I in week. Six this to me is the most loaded week. Okay it's very loaded a bunch of shit and you just took one our games out. I know back to back nelson. Chocking answer would be alabama dana correct. I'm just looking at this. So i'm just i'm just now that the answer. The answer is oklahoma texas a alabama. An answer well. I think oklahoma texas is always look i. I look at georgia at auburn. Because that's an incredible rivalry at oklahoma. Texas i look at penn. State iowa no-name. Virginia tech and this is a loaded ass week. It is but if we're taking taking the most is we're taking the most iconic trevor. Whatever we're doing here. I think you have to go oklahoma texas. Yep i agree. I think we should go to the red river. Shootout red river shootout. It is and we're gonna continue to call it a shootout 'cause fuck everybody also wrote down boise state. It'd be way i wanna book. Byu and what's your obsession with one way you look at this beautiful beautiful gun. Bowl is in texas. it's in dallas. So what i said shitty area myskina nebraska would have been good that way to a loaded. Weight name of virginia tech would've been great. It is a lot week. But i think for for the college football experience we've got to go to the carnival. It stinks there but Okay so week seven. Who's going first. Then katie. I have to one of them. I'm guessing brands talking about miami. Unc the second one ucf in cincinnati. About neither of those. Oh all right. I was going to say miami at north carolina. Let me tell you something if you're planning a college football trip across football stadium trip and you don't go to baton rouge louisiana have to include the best stadium the best tailgating the craziest fans and you've got to go to florida at lsu week seven. I have that written down to more than ucf. Cincinnati yali. I can tell you about the actual game florida. Lsu those teams could be better than both ucf in cincinnati proportionately. Me better i think it'd be. Ucf cincinnati be better. I also don't think right. Why do you want to go to cincinnati ohio. I'm not i i'm thinking. Probably forty five degrees there. I agree with lsd. Lord of being a better environment. I was thinking more of the matchup dislike what it means storyline with the probably. Whoever wins last the best group of five team asian but have on. Lsu so we're not gonna guess okay okay. L. let's see florida working a draft. So i can have all the games i wanted. Well then that would have been stupid graphic. I told you. I wanna do a draft. So i can go to byu people. You're all of a sudden a mormon all right. Look me blond hair. don't have sex. I'm a moment. Florida alycia multiple wives right to imagine that by trading. Wanna got okay. So what did we decide on florida. Lsu floored lsu alberto. jack's yeah okay. It's his opinion more than both. Lsu it is also who wants to go to cincinnati ohio in october. What about my wife. Miami north carolina. So bad i would be fine. But i just not. It's not unless you better. You in maybe notre dame florida at lsu again kind of kind of wild card here. I will let jack leadoff off on this one. Yeah i mean. We're in deep into october. So i guess we could go down to orlando. we already said no. there Obviously probably chock. Pick is no usc at notre dame. But it's gonna be cold up there. But i guess if you wanna go to notre dame e kinda wanna go when it's ninety five ninety degrees you kinda wanna go when it's a little chilly outside. So i want to piss off notre dame. I think it'd be funny if the day that you you. Us's at him. We go to fucking bloomington indiana. Be funny funny. But here's the thing though brandon. Usc at notre dame is the seven thirty kickoff and a night game at notre dame would be sick. aren't i i'm on board for usa. Norway i had it written down i wrote down. Nc state at miami. Ohio state of indiana oklahoma state of iowa. Stay in memphis. ucf i ucf is sneaky sneaky. But i mean if we're gonna go to south ben and it's a night game when you've got the you know the iconic usc helmets klay hiltons on the hot seat. I think that game would be so sick. This is so chalky. I'm doing one next week by myself. And it's going to be my list okay. We'll put out a graphic. it's not chalky. it's just. I mean i also coastal upstate for week talking. It's truckee but it's the ideal trip do you want. Is the ideal trip going to ball. State against ohio. Know unless it's tuesday night in november of college. Football boise state bluefield. Go look at it yourself. Byu with a bunch of morons. Comb an obsession all of a sudden with byu. He's found his people iowa state where people aren't trying to get word living got aims. I have one. Don't worry right. We get usc at notre dame. Let's week nine pick brandon. Probably going to be like indiana against. I'm gonna go with the state not i'm torn between two. I'm torn between two two and you know I'm a little second notre dame. We've been talking about two months after less we can't get. Yeah they're up because we're going there the we before. We hit the stocks we're going to. We're going to get the list so there okay. I'm torn between two and it's michigan and michigan state. 'cause me a rivalry game right up in my and my ass gimme that. Gimme georgia florida at jacksonville. Okay so my two that. I'm trying to decide between our georgia florida. Jacksonville or iowa at wisconsin. That's going to be so that's like watching. Old people thought casey nine six game that game. I just wanted i. I you know. I'm trying to get back to madison. Try back to madison. You wanna fuck and going. I wasn't how. I think iowa's going to be pretty decent this year. What not scoring big grocer game. It will be a gross game. But i also like georgia florida. Yes it's like when it's when it's a good game it's great. It's can kind of a little bit overrated. Sometimes i don't know i've never been. I've been multiple times. You've never been. Katie what's your pick. I wasn't do you and seed notre dame but second option. Probably georgia florida tac. Yeah i think maybe that that rivalry and atmospheres overrated. But it seems cool. You get to talk. Get to experience to columbus. Go to penn state. Don't care we haven't got ohio state yet. Yeah we do oregon ohio state. Oh already know all of you guys you guys at the the largest outdoor cocktail party. Let's go georgia florida. Yup came after ran in week. Ten this catered to you sir. Oh yeah i'm ready to go to texas at iowa. State alum ready to go to the worst part of the country to brandon. Where where are you going. Oxford by fucking govan. I don't care. It's the brenna walker. Morley crumble living. Body okay good away brand. Did you see that. Who liberty picked up a born again christian after he was kicked off of the tennessee. Football team. I'm gonna say this. I think for the sake of the podcast. We have to go to the hugh freeze game absolutely not going oxford mississippi. We're going to washington. No we're gonna aims are first of all hold on arizona. State week right here. We're just skipped. Lsu alabama michigan. Indiana auburn am ohio state nebraska. I do kinda want to nebraska oregon and washington top five lists. Yeah i know. But i played content above it texas at iowa state. Both of those teams are always you'll see versus arizona's very sneaky good. That's going to be the winner of the south. That's not the best game in the pac twelve week between Oregon and washington is my top choice. We've gone to a pack twelve school yet no longer going to washington. Are we going on washington. We're gonna say okay. i got it. Oklahoma aims oklahoma iowa state. Oh perfect day. Playing a norman week twelve so go. There not just really ought to go the bathroom in the middle of this. You got three weeks left here jack. Three weeks jack. Okay oregon. We're going inside on frames. No no sales meetings. So here's the thing here's the thing now. We have not run into this yet. It took us two week ten. We have a two to square off. Then you guys winning because you guys are near the heads and guys all equal table. No texas iowa state. We're going aims. I consider three equal. Okay so were each other. Brennan going aims. you're gonna hams. I kinda like work in washington. Yes oregon. i watched this going to be good. Those are two very good teams. This year i listen okay fine. I do agree. I do agree that you are going to be good this year arizona state if they don't have a big blow up put the coaching staff. And what's going on behind scenes. They have a good football team this year. Arizona state could see post season self ban by the way. Can i throw out much sure. Yeah what week eleven. We could go to washington the very next week we could arizona washington. Yes so let's say okay aims week ten washington week. Eleven because the game that i had was michigan at penn state. But we've already gone to penn state so we can't go back so we're sale gating week. Eleven we're gonna aims week ten twelve. We go to norman for you. Yes why iowa state. Oklahoma twelve actually was going to say virginia tech at miami. Why we're we're out of our stuff but that's not bad. I don't hate for everybody. So we tune we're going you know what's funny. He went back to mississippi and mississippi haircut just came back right on texas iowa state and we tend. Yes and then week eleven. We're going state washington. Yes and we're tailgating report out air force colorado state. I had written down. I too shy. We'll make sure okay so week ten. We're locked in texas iowa state week eleven were locked in at what's going to washington and sailed. Well great week eleven games. It's a good game. We like the other options for me. Were miami florida state and michigan penn. State at ole miss may not be awful. Take you guys inside. The thought process at home s. isn't on the goddamn tape have to go you. Can you take me. Colorado state at the air force have have elevation sickness. Son vinnie orcas oxford. Mississippi is not part of the ideal road trip. All right not week. Twelve twelve. i'm going to try to fuck and wiggle my way back to madison again. Nebraska was as you put every home game. Wisconsin back to madison. It's unbelievable to master wisconsin in the bud grant november. I don't care about that okay. So that my other options my other options are iowa was at oklahoma. But we're already going. Oklahoma and virginia tech in miami twelve. No no no no. We're not going to oklahoma. Yeah you're not why. Oh oakland i have to. I say oklahoma twelve but we just been aims two weeks before that. Yeah we went to just very top team we saw. Can i share a secret week. Twelve deepen november. Somebody called colorado states at hawaii is line week. We're going to hawaii already. Virginia tech set miami. I just i. I take you all of you guys iowa state but i like the. We're going to miami but we also just saw hornets a utah people. It's going to be cold up there to gain height. Byu game and then saturday. We go to utah wrongdoing thirteen. We're going to three day trip for games. I we go to madison. What mom wanted to medicine. But i like it all right. What we we're going to say home annul. Yes we just saw. I would say played two weeks before. Let's go fucking. Ask the bathroom jack. I recorded be fine. You didn't even hear you say that social we just take a pause now since we're all arguing dropped. What's your official one. Yeah what's your official twelve. virginia miami. We're going to miami takeover. We're hitting south beach. I think we should. I scratched the aims game now and then go to iowa state oklahoma. You all put that on. You wanna go to aims. What well okay. Okay brannon if we scratch the aims game. Then where do we go. Week ten washington. Then what do we do. Lsu in alabama or say nebraska. I say lsu rela o liberty ole miss. You have to do it the content that's gonna come wanna fuck it almost katie in the name of content. There's no content. They don't pay me enough new content piece of shift trying to guess to texas tech texas earlier. I'm like i like austin Contact i say we stick with ames in week ten. We sail in week. Eleven and we go to south beach in week. Twelve virginia legitimately be the big twelve championship. Game disaster. okay so you could do. Mississippi state arkansas and swings again so week. Ten brandon little rivalry there. Okay so what are the week ten options if we take off the table i have l. Seal at alabama mississippi state. Arkansas indiana michigan oregon washington usc at arizona state. There's all right. Yes and then liberty illness. Okay i don't if we take it off. I don't think we should do. Lsu alabama because. I think we've been too many. Sec games. i like indiana at michigan. I don't know the problem is we. Don't we're not seeing him. That's the issue. We have georgia florida's other sec sec game the week before. Okay wait wait shut. The fuck up went okay. What what if week. Ten weeks tailgated oregon washington and then week. Eleven would go to miami florida state and then we we go to iowa state oklahoma who loves in on that miami florida state is also on my list because it should be good rivalry. It's not been recently but yes good call brennan. So we're we're sailing week ten. Yes you're going. Florida week eleven. We're going to norman week twelve. Yup love it. I love about this. We're not going to any of these fun just hypothetically in a fantasy world week. Thirteen all right rivalry week week. Thirteen spending thanksgiving together in god's country and we're going to my mom's house in west point mississippi. We're going some thanksgiving some green bean casserole mac and cheese some. We're gonna eat all that and then we're going to start with thursday night. We're going to watch mississippi state when the egg bowl after the crap. Now no one thousand percent. Because i want his mama's cooking and then thanksgiving right in the walker household and we do eleven thirty morning and then we we ever that game and the next morning we get on a plane and we go to another rivalry game go to raleigh north carolina. That's where we watch. Yes sir yes state. And then on saturday we finished robbery weekend. And you can hate. Take your pick. We can go to alabama when go the iron bowl. Florida go to issue. We go to oklahoma oklahoma state. We go to bedlam or we can go to allows eight michigan clinton south carolina. But i think iron bowl is better that way. We stay in the south so we go rhino thursday. Unc nc state. friday and alabama and auburn saturday. Tell me that integrate weekend wake up dead tomorrow. 'cause okay i too much dick. Oh she told me earlier. Never you never have enough of that. Sorry okay she's now convulsing stuff you know. She has a she has data my katie. So hopefully she'll okay so to recap our for jackie back from his hot and tasty this okay now. Casey's down down don't know what to do. You live on not great. I thought lost about four hundred scheduled barstool athlete post today nearly blonde burn this office for the ground crew scheduling everything on twitter instagram on our teams. We still need. Oh we've got one major one week. Thirteen auto mention but ohio state at michigan. I literally said it. Oh sorry no. I love that too. All right. ohio state of michigan's good art to recap wait and wait for john for jack week. Fifteen army navy and we fourteen best championship game I wanna homer acc. But we're probably have to. I think i'm dying so next week. It'll just be me jack. And katie sin flowers and requests for feet picks to to me. I'll get them to picks. Hey we'll get the necrophiliac's we're gonna have will open. Casket will be open on the foot end. We can charge. Just just come up and look at them l'ecole to you katie. All right so gentlemen wonder to tell brennan what happened. Tell brennan what happens. We were gonna film it episode anywhere as time to get her. Like i'm in. The bathroom was answered the phone while all the time urban for discussing i facetime. My parents not friends anybody. When i'm in the bathroom doing anything season shower. Yeah okay relax. I really need. This is gentle. Fell in miss. That office can tell you that. Always that gray is just because you're shining faces not here to light it up. While we're at it unplugging some new merch be a nice human. You can see it on the youtube we can see. This is the blue version on the front. There's a i mean. I'm literally dying as we're speaking if you're dying there's a piece thank you imprinted. The biggest era of all time. There's a peace sign on the front. We've got blue. We've got barbie pink. We've got off white. They're very nice. And they're very software power season. Three of this podcast. You've never even suggested a t-shirt idea or tank top idea. We're plugging your show. I have i absolutely have. We are the i think i always buy stuff. I honestly think we are the worst in the merge came. jackie missed. Along has happened are so down jack. A lot first of all i had an absolute like i almost said you can keep it in the youtube. He's probably very funny. I legitimately almost but coughing all right. Here's played out katie's now paying people to lick my feet my casket you missed. Three cats are college all ultimate road trip. Twenty twenty one san represent week one still on the road trip we wait for you to recap. I'm kidding recap boost joke week. Zero not one zero. We're going to hawaii. Why for two to treat ourselves. So i know they're playing but we'll away. Yes all right. We're gonna ukwa in hawaii and zero in week one. We are headed to charlotte to take on georgia and clemson there. We go georgia wait. One week to we're going to columbus. Ohio received the oregon ducks at the ohio. State buckeyes week three happy valley auburn at penn state or we we might be big. Ten heavy auburn happen state with four. We're going to another neutral site. Might be going to remain neutral sites campus. We're going to nerd aimed at wisconsin in chicago. We five. We're going to college station with the unnecessary roughness rivalry battle no best this year. Thank you there will absolutely be bet there. I told you. I remember brennan. It is not me that you have to worry about that. I understand that but you know that the two other co host of college football show will not let that fly and you know that mississippi state a week five and facing. We're actually probably going to have to really go rhino. We actually need good way. You know already. We're going to be out of different one. No not that. No not that we. Yes this one. I don't think that was happening now. This was happening. Oh okay you guys can you can go to that one. I'm gonna like okay. What oh yeah. No i know which one. I haven't okay weeks that we six we're going to Dallas texas for oklahoma texas. The right of a river we seven. We're going to battle rouge. Florida at lsu. Wait eight we're going to usc at named southbound nut by the way nothing else out of the box i we're such chalky bitches. We also adjusted non power five. But somehow y'all just ended up week. Nine georgia florida jacksonville. Wait a minute for science. Let's issue with that. It's still like i know. It's not a campus but so gain feeling the campus is. we're not going to the union. We're not chick-fil-a college kids around the corner from here absolutely not a chick-fil-a around the corner from at all. It's it's pretty places. Five to okay brandon now week. Ten eleven and twelve. Jack missed all the new the new jobs. We rewrote week ten eleven. Twelve jack Every suggestion you've got thrown out and week ten. We are now going. Where ceo gating again. We're going oregon washington and the one that i initially said. We're going to oregon washington and then we eleven. We're going to miami at florida state alone. Hassi we're gonna go miami florida state for some robbery action and we. Well we're still going to iowa state oklahoma pretty good great. I love it. Sounds good. I would love to go to tallahassee and then i suggested we turn and then we twelve That sounds great. I want to go to that game and now we have a three parter for rivalry week. Can i guess yes okay. Thursday night we are going to mississippi starkville. Yes then on. Friday we are going to fuck. Are they not not. We're not gonna fall. We are going to be great content. Fuck and then. I'll give you a hint. It's somebody in this room team. Another campus garroted. I mean jackets. Pretty easy for your up we're gonna. Nc state yes. And then saturday. We're going to our state michigan alabama auburn the iron bowl. Okay nice awesome. That's a great trip can't wait and then what conference championship game. Tweedy decided the best one. I think we should add the on the graphic the one that means the most for the playoff through the the conference championship game. That means the most for the playoff implicate. Just to be dick's. Or the mac go to detroit and then week. Fifteen army navy. I'm i'm creating my alternate lists next week. I just wanna go and give you that. I've got to go to at least one matt game. Sorry i gotta go to matt game and guess what they'll be. Why you boys stay idea. Why don't we just make an alternate list together. Because i i was gonna be shit shawki. I'm so i'm gonna die. I mean physically going to die. The bart simpson should be writing on blackboard. That's shopping list. Oh you're fine. It's going to be fun. It's content. jd wanna almost jack this. That's when cripple when you re when you re watch this you're gonna see brandon. Absolutely lose his mind right before i become deceased. It should probably be a clip on the internet. That'll be phenomenal for content. The the game. Not casey dire. No also that'd be good for content. Well we're gonna go to. We're gonna go to three weeks basketball games this year. Katie grant content. Okay it would be. I love we go to death. But i think that him and ado in rough out here in a room together for the kids would be amazing in the name of conference that was alive. We have we have those lists. But i'm going to be honest. I don't know if i can. I can speak much longer are you. Don't have to speak. I do wanna tear apart. One of these lists We won't do both. We'll do the top hundred players next week. So jackson me the list of pro football focus ranking all one hundred thirty quarterback starting quarterbacks in college football and you do not have to debate. You can jump in when you want to First of all pro football focus. I think is fantastic. I think they they're. They're very unbiased. I think they do a good job. I think you know. Look past the guys recruiting rating. Look past the guys where plays and they look at the actual production. And i appreciate that. However there i feel like this list just goes wrong so many places. I'm gonna start at the top guts. Spencer rattler at number one number two. I think sam how far and away the best quarterback in college football coming into the season because he's proven more than spencer rattler a hundred percent more. He's done it. Twice as opposed to wants and sam how last year it is people think. Oh he just handed off those running backs. Those running backs went off and great stats same. How still had i believe. Thirty five hundred yards thirty touchdowns seven receptions in a kovic shortened season. He was fantastic his years if he were playoff for years. You're looking at a guy who would go down as one of the all-time statiscal great. He's not going to play for years. Gonna play three but is three years gonna stack right out with trevor lawrence's you see some what this list. They have a tier system too so they have spent so rattler in tier one by himself as easily and then they basically tutors five alone. are they expensive. Rather a very good quarterback. I don't think you can justify him being over sam. How are being in a tear by up to say even if you try to make the argument that he's better than sam how much i agree with. You can't yet because we just haven't seen that on paper he's not in a league zone You cannot put him in elliott zone yet. Maybe all season. But they have derek king at three dylan gabriel. Ucf at four. I'm fine with that. I think michael junior at five one of the most overrated players. I've ever seen anywhere michael pennants. Junior is fine. He is a solid quarterback. Call him in above average quarterback. He is not an elite quarterback. He's not a great quarterback. He is somebody that can manage the game and and make plays fate. And he's fine but he's not the fifth best quarterback in the country period. That's just ridiculous mattress six. I'm fine with that. I think makarau is is is really really good. He's also really bad at times but his good outweighs bad I won't say every everything you know. The grace mccall seven point out a couple that are too high and to love. They've got miles brennan. Lsu at number nine. There's zero guarantee miles. Brennan's the starting quarterback for lsu up. He's been next guy for seventeen years and it could be max. Johnson like literally could be him. There's no guarantee. Miles brennan is the quarterback lsu and they're certainly nothing to tell me he's the ninth best quarterback in the country that is crazy Yeah carson strong tan. They got Emery jones at fourteen feels a little high. He's never proven anything. Conurbation lack who. I think he's underrated makenzie. Melton at sixteen. Who knows what we're to get from him. They got brock party. At seventeen feels low. I feel super bowl. If desmond river at forty Melodic willis at nineteen feels really low. I think he's a top five to ten quarterback in the country and then they got. Cj strahl ohio state. who's never taken meaningful snap got. Bryce young's never taken a meaningful snaps. Twenty twenty two Jt daniels at twenty three seems very low. I think what we got. Jt daniels last year was fantastic. I feel like he's a top five or ten quarterback in this country i also. It's very strange. He's not on that list. There's been a lot of luck. Rankings from different people coming out and maybe this is me from this room but also so high. Jt daniels in the top five if not top three in every single ranking has outside of top ten driven by me. I think. I've been driving the j. daniels bus a lot but i think we're probably higher j. daniels than most people. Because we're right. I'm right and you guys can ride in that way brandon. You make the occasionally all the time. Until he until he then like walks back and says something. Yeah twenty-six wisconsin brammertz also. There's no reference of jackson thirty jerkovic either way. Forty three is just the first forty seven year old man ever starting college. I'll be back because he's still starting. I do not know he's played for like seventeen follows on twitter next. He's been calling me for a long time. Oh wait he didn't ena he's asked remember. He actually falls on twitter. He's a bar so athlete. That's what he is devon leary. Nc state forty four. I think he's rental. Oh yeah they're you go not a lot of really bitch about but i think they got a couple of wrong at the very top okay. Who would be your top. Five right starting quarterback in So i go sam how for sure i go. I'd go eric. King provided he's healthy for sure. I tailor sure corral for sure daniels. And then i would say who. Jt daniels on no. I would probably go now. I'm saying about loud. Whose guys about say oh Does now you didn't so that'd be your five and you put eighteen dollars at six. I'm jay probably six. Have have me willis way up there. Yeah that's what that's what i. What about you guys. I would do. Sam how spencer rattler derek king. Jt daniels matt corral ladies there. Oh sorry i gotta take one out. Timberlake willis out well hidden. Take him out. Don't gabriel gator. With my six over dylan alive but when glele forget about dj fuck. We are the off off line. We'll talk about all our top ones. I know we'll do. Let's bring our top five quarterbacks next week next week i gotta fix our fucking. I'm gonna fix our trip. And then i'm gonna do that. And then what does the other top five hundred right now. Yeah we did have a list here supposed to bring you wanna do your drive. Let's do a quarterback draft quarterback draft. Late what other lists. Are we supposed to bring next week to bring a list radio. Nobody remembers what list the screen. Why because i don't know you're going to be on it anyways. It doesn't matter yes. It'd be looking good to what the fuck was that list. Sexy titled five. Whoever listened to this show us. Tell us jackal jack and kayla in back to they'll tell us or you're just gonna tell them give them to already listen back to. What do you tell us. He told us he said on this on this podcast and i actually thought we should write it down but then i just didn't write it down. It was early. It was like twenty minutes. In what listed he asks for top five. Somethings i don't know unbelievable died from dysentery between now and then so make money off looking your feet though. Yeah all right. I think case he's is where i usually like to stop the show. Okay so casey haiti jack. The show is over. Can't wait to see three d brandon so you monday.

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CFB Week 7

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CFB Week 7

"The game, you kind of your money. That's how you find out all my bets for safe. That wouldn't be any juice juice point spreads the prophets, but teasers the parlays from Vegas to you. This, he's behind the bat. Welcome in a new behind the beds podcast. I am Doug kazarian. We are taping this on ten, ten Tober tenth. It is Wednesday. We are discussing college football coming up, John Murray still traveling dealing with the convention. So he will not be on the podcast. He will be on tomorrow's NFL podcast, so will sort out all be baby bankroll bonanzas I hit a big middle on that as many on Twitter. We're having some fun with it with me. So that was really cool. And then also recap the last weekend look ahead to all the NFL lines becoming up on this podcast. We're talking college football with Phil Steele who will rejoin me after last week's four and one performance, and also bred words haven't had him on the pod for a couple of weeks. We're going to dive deeper into this Alabama situation. It is a situation first-half six, no against the number, but what's going on with their defense? What's special about the offense. He also wants to talk about Michigan. Wolverines have a big game at home against Wisconsin this weekend, laying. Over a touchdown, Brad things they still are alive for the college football, playoff. He's not alone. He will show us that in terms of analytics and also Georgia. What do we make the BULLDOGS team? So Brad's gonna explain a lot there and Phil Steele's well, with his picks against the spread all that straight ahead on the behind the vets podcast, stop hammer time. That's the mating call for Phil Steele. It's hammer time we, we bring him on Phil. How are you? Buddy? I doing great. Doug. How about yourself? I'm doing well, not as well as your foreign one last week. Impressively done as your debut for this season on the podcast, nice to come out strong three in sort of three, no, and marquee games. Well, done my man. Well, I appreciate that Doug and it's good to see that you picked up yet another two and one the listeners just taken this to the Bank each week because that's when you're, you can't go broke if you make a profit every single week in two and one's agree. Record. Well, thank you. You know, it's funny. The one of the three picks I gave out on sportscenter Saturday morning was the Hawaii game under the Wyoming. Offense is really limited and their defense travels. Well, of course they got a break with the injured quarterback, but I was like one in one during the day. I'm like, you know, this means it's hammer time for the Nike. When you know, you know the outcome of the first to you, kind of get you gotta know what's going to happen in the third and three, three at the half. You had a feel pretty comfortable at that point. Didn't you? I did. You know, stranger things have happened five times later you get burned, but no man, it's good to connect. And obviously we had you on the on the preseason show. So I misspoke a second ago, but you're on the priest gave out a lot of futures. You gave out Notre Dame on six last week. You gotta be looking pretty good with the Irish right now. Yeah, you know, in the magazine I had the errors has never won surprise team in the country. My surprise team is always a non top ten team that I think it makes the. Playoffs. Now I am getting a little annoyed with everybody saying that it's pretty much slam dunk. They're going to run through the rest of their schedule because there's some tests still along the way. I mean, navy's option is always difficult to prepare for north Western's grade is an underdog. We saw Florida state played well against Miami and US's going to be a much better team at the end of the season with their freshman quarterback than they are now and that games on the road. So they've got tests in the road ahead but they will be favored in every single game. And I got my fingers crossed that that one comes through and they get to the playoffs because it always makes a magazine look good at this juncture. The season can be better than six dollars. So you're right. The the noise is not favorable, but the record, is there exactly where you want to be six now? Absolutely. And and like I said, they will be favored in their final six games, which is perfect. I just hope they don't start believing what everybody saying, and that's pretty much a slam. Doug, they're gonna go undefeated. Well, it's interesting point. We're gonna talk with Brad Edwards. Later in the podcast about just sort of the probability, you know, the calendars turned Tober. We've seen tons of upsets, we know a bunch of ranked teams on the road this week against unranked schools, and this is when teams get tight. Other teams maybe are flat, and this is sort of their kitchen sink game, and we're not gonna see these teams all go undefeated the rest of the way. So who's going to slip up who's gonna stub their? So that's the question. Yeah, I think the word you used right there which is perfect is tight. I think the teams, they start to get the pressure and now the kids are starting to say, well, if we do this and we do this, we can go here and we could be here while the opponent doesn't care. They're just out there to play the game. They're playing loose. They're fired up because they're the under underrated team. And that's why we see these upsets in the last half of the year on you used the word to as well. That's appropriate kids in. That's what they are. Their kids and thus impressionable to the pressure and everything else. Yeah, absolutely. It it's, you know, everybody right now is saying everybody's gonna go undefeated the rest of the year. But I think out of the top five teams that we're looking at, you gotta figure two or three probably end up with a loss. So how do you handicap these situations as you look at the card? I know your big power ratings guy like any professional better, but you're also. You know, you gotta factor in sort of the the variables, and that's one of them to the spot as we talk about so often in the bedding space, what do you how do you produce that sort of game within the game in that regard? Well, you know when it comes to the big teams, you'll most like to go against them the latter part of the year because the spreads always inflated three or four points on the big name teams because everyone wants to get on them. You know, look what's happened, Alabama. They opened the season so strong and then the spread it's inflated. They've been back door three weeks. So I think when it comes to the big name teams, I tend to like to go against them and their final month of the year when everybody's saying, oh, they've got to win. But rally this have to win the football game. They don't care about covering the spread. They need to win the football game. And I think there were Ponant saw fired up for it. All right. Let's talk about some games this coming weekend last week, and you were nice enough to circle some higher profile games that a lot of attention. What, what jumps out at you this weekend? Well, you know, let's let's start with one game. If you wanna go. I don't really have anything super high profile this week. So let's go to the big ten for the first one. Let's go to Illinois against Purdue. And you know when I look at this matchup this week, here's the thing. I'm impressed with with Illinois. First of all, two and three. They're not a very three and two, but their, you know, their perception of Illinois are not a very good team though. And when you look at them, though they've got two running backs. Reggie Corbin and Mike Epstein. Now Koren's run for four hundred sixty four yards. He's averaging seven point nine yards per carry. Mike Epstein three hundred eighty seven yards. Six point eight yards per carry. They do have a run game. They run the football for two hundred sixty one yards per game. Five point six yards per carry. They ran the ball on Penn State for two hundred and forty five yards. They ran the ball and USF for two twelve, so they can run the football, their quarterback AJ Bush is back. He missed a game with injury, but he's. Back now and the team is doing I think three and with Bush's the starting quarterback lovey Smith fell in love with him over the summer and he's a transfer QB from Virginia Tech. It a couple of transfers, actually, I think for Bush. So he's doing well. There defensively, they're not overwhelming, but they're playing better than they have in the past years. Now produce coming off a bye and produce been very impressive. The last couple of games destroyed Boston College at home that went on the road and beat Nebraska, but still on the season. I mean, you look at the Nebraska game. They're outgained by sixty six years on the season rolling plus forty three yards per game. Usually when teams come off a bye takes a good half to maybe get back up to speed. So I think you'll annoy, which is sneakier and here's no point about Illinois. One more note about them against south Florida. They lead by two scores in the fourth quarter and against Penn State. While that looks like a blow out. If you watch the game, they were actually leading Penn State twenty eight twenty four to twenty one late in the third quarter. It just turned out to be a whole bunch. Place back to back to back. So I give annoy a shot here at home and they're getting double digits a home dog, ten and a half at home here. You mentioned Purdue playing much better than coming off the bye. How much does that factor in to your handicapping. You know, it depends what the by has done. I think sometimes we have a team on a roll the bike and hurt you a little bit as far as of potent offense. We see it in the NFL teams are coming off the bye usually takes a half to get rolling. We see it a little bit in college football. Now if it's a team that let's just pulled too big upsets and they had a bye then that's a big plus they have the by because you got your real rest and relaxation and you're not gonna be as as stretched as you would be coming off too big upset. So I think the by sometimes helps you and sometimes hurt you. In this case, I think it could be a detriment to do. You mentioned the first half all that stuff. Why not just play Illinois in the first half here. That's probably a good play there. You're, you're one of those first half guys. I don't tend to to look at that, but you and your Alabama lock every week in the first half has been working out pretty good. So that seems like a pretty good play. I'm just 'cause you know, we're gonna talk about it at great length with Brad coming up later with the banner first-half thing, but there are there are scenarios were end of game is treated differently. So differently that first half has value. You're the one in this dialogue that mentioned first half off a bye. They come out sloth like I would think based on that analysis that first half is the play, not that the game isn't, but then I would be more. So yeah, very farewell could be. But I do like Illinois plus ten and a half in this game. I think that they're run game very underrated run game. Just watch him play this week if you're there, and I think you're going to be impressed with how they run the football. And that's always a big plus when you're getting double digits at home, run on the football. Milks o'clock a little bit, and it keeps the offense off the field. This love getting sink, the other teams off. That's that's the thing is so not all points are created equal. When you get above ten, this ten and a half, you have that late game sort of one team trying to run out the clock, the other team back door cover. So there's there's a lure and the game line that's not there with the first half line in this case. Whereas yeah, you may be more inclined to be leading or whatever if you want to annoy in the first half, but you don't get that that back door as easily as you would the game line. Yeah, that's true. There is no back door in the first half. All right. Let's talk about another team that's coming off a by or excuse me, extended rested lease, and that's George attack. 'cause you like you like Duke in this one catch and three in Atlanta off a team that's coming off a blowout win. Yeah, and I'm all about value. And generally I would folks look at Georgia Tech. I'll have to look at their last two games sixty three points and sixty six points this Georgia Tech offenses unstoppable. But if you follow Georgia Tech, the first game was against bowling. Green, bowling, green. First of all is one of the nation's worst defenses and they never see the option and they had to do it on one week. So bowling green was ill for that game one week to prepare for the option. If you've never faced before. Good luck to you. It's kind of run the football and a horrible run defense to begin with the answer sixty three points, three hundred seventy two yards. Rushing. Then last week they play c c team, but Louisville's across over game there in the other division, they haven't seen Georgia Tech's option. And once again, it was tough and Louisville, sort of headset, you know team where you, you don't know what they're thinking sometimes because they're so underperforming on the year, but still team that does not used to see them and Georgia Tech ran the ball right through. This week, it's a different animal. This Duke team under David Cook cliff. They know the option. They understand the option. In fact, the last five years cook goes after nine times. He's eight one against the spread. How about earlier this year they played army option team held them to a hundred sixty eight yards. Rushing three point, six yards per carry. All other games are average at three hundred forty five years. Those do well against the Georgia Tech options. Well, how about four? No against the spread three of them outright upsets last year. They did well against tech, hell them well below their season average in the same almost every single year. Now, the one thing they option teams have a big advantage in Doug is you only have a week to form. So you just finish your last game. Now you gotta go and try to get everything price to take the option. Guess what? Dukes coming off a bye and this is one of those factors where by is huge because no longer you just practicing one week your price in two weeks against the option. So the option play the option already. Off a bye and Daniel Jones in last game came back against Virginia Tech. He didn't look a hundred percent. This first game back then we said to more full weeks working with the offense. I think you'll see different Duke offense this week dukes played well against Georgia Tech. I'm taking the three points in call for the upset here with Duke fascinating analysis hard do disagree with that given that success against option teams. I like it my man. I like it. Let's shift gears to, you know, we talk about. The teams earlier that they get up for these games and nothing to lose something like that. We saw Virginia Tech, give Notre Dame. Everything had had and who knows what happens if you don't get the ninety seven yard touchdown, run in the second half the remarkable swing for the Irish, but now the hokies going on the road lane six at North Carolina. After losing that big, I profile national televised ABC game. Yeah, that's that's a good part of the the pick figure because I mean they were fired up for Notre Dame. It was at home, enter Sandman, all and then coming off the deflecting loss as well. No, having to travel the other part of the value in this equation is all over North Carolina. All people see with North Carolina is a one in three teen as a blowout loss to Miami that lost the East Carolina by twenty two. And there's just a horrible team and for doors going to be out the door very, very short. Here's what I see. Remember that started the is suspended. All those players movie at twelve or thirteen players. Spended. The bulk of the defensive line was suspended early on that hurt him. They still play cow within seven. They played respectable there. They were lied, niece, Carolina, and it just snowballed on them. And you look at that Miami game, which was the the last game of the suspensions. For most of the players, they were only out gained by twenty five yards. They were minus four and turnovers three defensive touchdowns. So it's not like they were really getting beat at the line of scrimmage. Their quarterbacks have been if he let's face it, but Surat came back, returned from suspension and look like he had been on suspension. It just four, ten passes three, crucial interceptions. But now he's hit two weeks to work with the team. They're fresh off a bye and they are focused. And you know what, if you're learning for door, this is it. This is your last stand. You need a win here. You go one in four and you look down the rest of the schedule. Your probably gonna pick up a couple of losses. You're not going to a bull your season shot, however, win here. You've got Syracuse for Jinya. You get Georgia Tech at home. You've got. Games down the stretch. You could still have yourself a decent year. You're back at full health, one hundred percent Virginia coming off that big game with the very young defense one that by the way is allowing opponents thirty six yards of their season average this year and North Carolina's getting almost a full touchdown here, like North Carolina plus the six against Virginia Tech. Another solid handicapped. You mentioned ECU. They're catching sixteen against Houston. Yeah, and Houston is a team or their explosive. I mean, we're talking five hundred eighty two yards per game, fifty points per game. They're putting up the points on everybody, but I've watched Houston so far this year, you know, you go back to Texas Tech game. They lost by fourteen go back to the rice game in the opening game of the season. Yeah, they beat rice by by eighteen points. Forty five, twenty seven, but I was following that game all the way through and in the third quarter, lowly rice was beating them twenty seven seventeen. And it was only thirty one twenty seven after three quarters. Then the underdog just said, well, we gave it our best shot and then lost and then the Houston that a couple of scores laid even last week against also in the fourth quarter, Tulsa leads that game. So it was twenty six to seventeen Tulsa in the fourth quarter. Houston came back and won, and then they got a couple of plays at the end of nine year driving at twenty three are drive for late touchdowns and all of a sudden it turns into a fifteen point game till still covered. It wasn't as impressed with Houston against either of those teams as the final score would indicate. So we're looking at some value. They're taking on the East Carolina team and East Carolina. I mean this team that won three games, three games. The previous years they suck. And last year there are last week they lost the temple forty nine to six. This is a horrific East Carolina team. They're nothing, but I look at East Carolina. Just see. Last week is one bad game if act prior to that, they had outgained every single foe this year by at least one hundred thirteen yards. They beat North Carolina forty one nineteen and USF game. If you watch that you I came away thinking East Carolina was the better team, the twenty four to nine, I down edge. They did everything but beat USF on the scoreboard did a four hundred twelve to ninety six hundred age and I thought they stood toe to toe with USF at every position. So this team that's probably is good as USF and that was on the road. Now they get it at home if Houston and Scottie Montgomery has. It's close. I think it's like nine and ten, and this. Games what he's one fifteen in his road game. So a much better team at home getting a lot of big points. And I think he's Carolina could surprise this one. And now here you're getting sixteen points because of last week's results or the final scores like East Carolina at home. In this one. I'm a robot vacuum cleaners. So yeah, I got one gig. I suck up dirt support my inferior already complex about Geico who does so much more like not only could they save their customers money on car insurance, but they got fast and friendly claim service to and award-winning mobile plus access to license agents twenty four, seven, who am I kidding? I can't even do corners. Oh, choking hazard. Geico expect great savings in whole lot more. Not a lot of sexy pick so far fill. No. Sorry about the ugly candy. All dogs here. But you do have one favorite here in Louisiana tech. Yeah, and Louisiana tech is taken at a team that's won three straight games and UTSA's a home dog. How the heck am I going against a team that's ready to have like UTSA well, let's let's peek under the covers a little bit at UTSA. Their last three games have been against Texas State Utah up and rice. Three of the worst teams in the f. b. s. in fact those three teams not one of them is beaten an FBI foe so far this year. And while they won the games, their offense and those games, two hundred seventy two yards, two hundred seventy eight yards. Last week they beat rice on the road. They had one hundred seventy eight yards offense. So they're struggling to run the football and they're struggling to throw the football three yards per carry. Fifty one. Completions and UTSA's just the team wait to get exposed by somebody and who's this Lisa tech team coming in. It's texting that plays extremely wall in the road under Holtz has got him at fourteen and seven gets spread on the road there off an ugly loss to UAB last week which I expected you to give them everything and you beat them twenty eight seven. It was only fourteen seven in the fourth quarter. UAB got a couple of late scores, but it's tech team to now needs to win there on the road. The only have you tap on deck and it's a big step down for them. They just played LSU North Texas and UAB and other only playing UTSA here. Well, I talked about UTSA's offense which by the way is the worst in the NCWA. They have one hundred and eighty nine yards below with their opponents. Come in allowing one hundred eighty nine yards. It's worsening AA. Louisiana tech had a season high, four hundred seventeen yards against LSU's defense into valley. No other offenses put up four hundred seventy. Yards. LSU movies, e n TEK did this very underrated Louisiana tech, very overrated UTSA because of those three wins spreads reasonable. Thirteen. Frankly, I don't see UTSA topping their their season average, which is two hundred fifty. One yards on offense fact probably get below that. I could see ticket near four hundred and if you've got a four hundred two, two hundred, you can cover thirteen points on the road. Good stuff. So those are certainly off the radar Gamesville, but hey, as we know all tickets cash, the same one game that I have my eye on, but I'm just worried about the buckeyes defense. What do you make of state minus twenty nine and a half at home against Minnesota. You know, the good news if you like Hieaux state this week is that they're off a couple of off performances. You look at the Indiana game last week and they Indian always plays them tough. And with Minnesota, I thought heading into the Maryland game actually thought they were going to barrel into game new. Maryland, just smack them forty two, thirteen. And that's sums up the game at the half. The yards were two hundred eighty eight to one on nine in favor of Maryland. They dominated the line of scrimmage, so you've got no state team that's often iffy game needing to put somebody away. You've gotta Minnesota team who you kinda hand it to flex. His guys try every week. I like Zack Anderson the quarterback spot, but he's only hitting fifty two percent. He's a true freshman, their top running back. Bryce Williams. Remember they lost their top two running backs. Prior to the year dude injury. He's averaging three point nine yards per carry. I would lean with Ohio State in that one and they did back off against two lane. Remember they lead forty one six at the half on the one forty, nine, six, but Minnesota hasn't really shown me the offense. It's going to come back and put up a lot of points here. Well, it's gonna say, I wouldn't normally leaned the over, but I don't know if the gophers can move the sticks that frequently surely didn't do it against Iowa. Yeah. Well, they they had thirty one points again. The end. Yeah, I hear you. 'cause he only had three hundred twenty yards and a game in and they are only averaging three hundred forty one yards for game. So it's a and some of that game gets you remember they had five hundred twenty two against Mexico state early in the year. What about Georgia LSU BULLDOGS lane? Seven and half at death valley. You know, I watched the Georgia Missouri game if I had Georgia against Missouri lay in the fourteen and thought, well, they're going to go win. 'cause drew lock actually has a negative ratio against power, five teams that go to bowls. And I thought Missouri pushed Georgia around at the line of scrimmage a little bit that game. I was very unhappy with it. The ran the ball hundred seventy two yards. Four point, six years, procuring while Georgia got a couple of long runs to finish with decent rushing totals when they needed to third one, when they needed a short yardage, they weren't getting Missouri was beating them at the line of scrimmage, show understand. It might have been a flat spot, but they're only off middle Tennessee. You only had Tennessee on deck. So I was a little concerned there. And even last week when they played Vanderbilt the only two hundred sixty three to two hundred thirty yardage at the half. So Vanderbilt in the first half actually played them pretty even this LSU team that if you make them an underdog lookout and in their two games that they've been an underdog so far this year, you know, they, they played Miami, fl. Florida. And while the final scores thirty three seventeen. I don't think that sums up the game is thirty three three in the fourth quarter. Very impressive. What am I do sense? Then they blasted everybody with the exception of Florida state last week, and then they go into journey air and have a three hundred seventy three twenty eight yard. Yes, I know auburn's offense right now struggling, but Alabama went into Jordan hair last year and lost Georgia went injured near laws, and here they beat them twenty to twenty one at home. Joe boroughs, getting better by the week. I'd like when I saw bro sent last week against Florida. They played a good game in the swamp thought, the situation, favorite Florida. And now they're at home as as over touchdown dog I wish the game is at night Doug. Yeah, that's LSU plays the best of three thirty in the afternoon when I think LSU has the line of scrimmage that could stand up to Georgia. And to me, this is going to be a low scoring, tight ballgame. I'm gonna take the touchdown plus with LSU in big ten country, ranked matchup at the big house, Michigan laying over. A touchdown against the badgers who I have not figured out this season yet. So if you have congrats to you with this Michigan team, obviously stubbed it's toe on the road and the opener at Notre Dame and then has looked impressive at times against inferior competition. But here they got whiskey at home. Yeah, my knee jerk reaction when I saw the line being over at touchdown, Wisconsin is take Wisconsin as a dog all day. And I think if you look at the spread records, Wisconsin, Michigan, Wisconsin's got a breach spread record here, but I've watched these two teams this year. First of all, Wisconsin's defense is not Wisconsin defensive years past hold opponents to a hundred yards below their season average last week of five hundred and eighteen yards in the Brassica. They're actually only fifty six years below this season average and believe it or not. The only have five sacks in five games, so they're not getting pressure on the quarterback and that great run d, you can't run the ball in Wisconsin about four point four yards per carry. They're giving up. So this. Is not your typical Wisconsin defense offense. They're strong, no doubt, Jonathan Taylor. I think he has a great shot at the Heisman. There averaging six point two years for carry. They get big offense of line, but Alex Horner brick and sorta by the way, has cut down on his interceptions from last remember at fifteen laster he only has two through five game. So that's a plus. But this is Dan Brown's defense. And while last year Wisconsin won this game at home twenty four to ten, it was pretty close. In fact, Michigan had the yardage. The half I thought was concert was fortunate to be up like they were and then win it by fourteen. And then I'll take you back to the last time they Arbor dug in and one of the place that got highlighted everywhere, which sort of made me mad. They were hosting Wisconsin, and Wisconsin's got a fourth and one on their own one yard on, I think there's five and that's four minutes going to game, and they throw a deep pass and the db makes it great grab at the fifty yard line. And I was infuriated because all they do is let that ball go. It's an incomplete pass. Michigan's. Got. The ball, the one yard. They took into touchdown and cover as it was Michigan. In that game against Wisconsin had a large yardage the exact number for you. It was Michigan, three hundred forty nine to one fifty nine. They held Wisconsin's run game to seventy one yards. Twenty one to eight I down and it could've easily been a cover, but they they said a selfish interception at midfield costs the cover in that game. So I think Michigan overall playing great football. I'm concerned about Wisconsin's defense overall, not concerned about Michigan's and I'm actually gonna lay the points that one. I'm gonna take Michigan minus the seven and a half eight just because I think Michigan Ohio state at the end of the year, Doug can be held a game. We might have, you know, winner walks into the playoffs. Yeah, you know, it's funny. You mentioned the the first glance, whiskey plus all those points, but then you're like, let's think about this more badgen very unimpressive most of the year. And I think I think. They're catching at the right time or the rains. Yeah, even the Iowa game you go back. I had Wisconsin in that game a minute going to game. I'm sweating bullets. I mean, I'm losing seventeen fourteen score a touchdown, and then be honest with you. I got, you know it's time to get the next round. The TV's on the game wanted to stuff to my downs. And then I looked files core like wait twenty eight. That's not the score. So that's misleading. Final there. Twenty eight seventeen. No doubt, no doubt. And I mean, that was the only cover whiskey has all season. So there one in four against the number. I think this could be a beatdown for Michigan. Well, if you're talking thirty five to three, I'm saying no takes twenty eight thirty points there. But I think I think Michigan can't win this one by a couple of touchdowns. Bud look, always good. Catching up, breaking down games. I through some extra ones at you appreciated the the interesting content across the board, and let's go rip out another foreign one two in one week I can't. I can't wait to find out what you one is this. We using bam in the first half again, I don't know. I think I've done it three weeks. I don't know. I gotta see. It's going to be probably seventeen. I dunno, man, their defense. We'll see. We'll see. I'm leaning to the over more than anything in that game. Okay. My only question would be drew lock. If you look at his entire career, you actually a negative ratio touchdowns interceptions when he takes on power, five teams finish a bowl and it gives all others sixty cut downs, nine interceptions last week again. Zero touchdowns to interceptions. So that would be my biggest concern with Missouri and the over two would be that. Think it just bam first-half. That's who you're suggesting that. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, you know what? When you play on a streak, Doug, you can win many times. You're gonna lose ones. That's right. The gravy train. All right, my man. Thank you again as always always great talking with Doug. You have agree weekend, my friend and good luck to you. You too. Thanks. Phil Steele coming up, Brad Edwards of our analytics teams going to join us to dive deeper into that Alabama team and some other high profile programs. But first a word from one of our sponsors these days, you can get practically everything on demand like our podcast. 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We've been able to to suffer through the dodgers postseason woes and I say woes. I mean, most teams would take getting the game seven of the World Series as they did last year, but it always ends up the same way with which is with a loss. But. Maybe do we do? We dare look. I said this. I said, often in sports, we've seen a not the best version of team win at all, or the best version did not the colts come to mind. Yeah, I got over the hump against the bears. They needed a huge comeback into the patriots kinda got lucky in that game. I didn't think that was the best colts team per se, but they're the one who wanted. So I'm hoping that this is the not the best version of the dodgers team, at least going into the playoffs may become. It's also the nature of baseball, right? You just get to the postseason and if you get a couple of pitchers hot and a couple of bats get hot, then you can go along way even if you're not the best team you might be close. I mean, how many wildcard teams have we seen last fifteen years, whatever, you know, win the thing. So yeah, I was thinking to myself going in the playoffs. Like, you know what? This is by far the least confident I've been in a longtime going into the postseason as a dodgers fan, but given what baseball is maybe that's a good thing. Machado makes them a ton better Ruben town. And I will say this also bueller as the number two guy is better than Lascher like that's a huge upgrade from year ago. And you know what I am may have just been one series, but there might be something to Kershaw not starting game one that relaxes him like there's not as much pressure on him. He's been awesome in the years past except for the cardinals. Now once again, it's one game, but the fact that they already had a one, nothing lead in the series when he goes out to pitch if they're down. Oh one right. Then that changes things. I say, Jacob degrom should definitely win the MVP. 'cause you know hard. It is to pitch knowing you're gonna get one run tops, right of report versus five, nothing lead. You can get a little bit more confident and challenge whatever. But to the analytics point of this in terms of teams, I don't have the best record. Let's look at this fundamentally. I know we're getting into college football momentarily, but just because you're have a better record than other teams against Twenty-nine other teams over one hundred sixty two hundred sixty two games doesn't mean you're better head to head than than especially when pitchers or such a such have such value such a distinct variable. Yeah, I'm not a hardcore baseball fan, but I think I heard someone say over the last few days that of the teams that made the playoffs made the major league postseason against one another. The dodgers had the best record. Against all the other teams. But I thought I heard someone say that all I what the record was. I mean, some teams beat up on bad teams and that's a that's a sign of a good team. That doesn't mean you're going to beat another really good team had to head, especially when the pitcher has such an impact. That's kind of my one thing I know is after what the dodgers did over about a fifty game stretch last year, right? What the Indians did last year winning what twenty two or in that neighborhood in a row. What you do in the regular season does not matter. It means nothing didn't when had like seventeen of nineteen, then they lost seven hundred nineteen in the same. Yeah. Yeah. I think they lost like fifteen of sixteen winning like forty six fifty Saint stupid. Well, let's talk. Let's talk football and look. I miss being there on Saturdays with you as games are happening because you get the freshest sort of take on the domino effect and the nuances of any sort of outcome. We had a lot of fun. Last Saturday. Just kind of jumping off of the segment that you did on TV talking about Alabama first half lines. As you know, like before the season before the supreme court decision, we had to be kind of careful about how we discuss things like that for an extended amount of time, but now it's more open season and you were already out there with this thing. It was very public and we just kept coming back to it throughout the entire second quarter that game. And of course it ended up being really close. Alabama end up covering moving to six in the first half of this season. But then in the end of the game, the minus thirty five or whatever it was ended up going back and forth over that number several times in the last ten minutes. And we had fun with that. And of course you know how it is like a lot times in that first window of games, there's not much to talk about now. We had a great game, the great equalizer point spread with the Red River game, Oklahoma, Texas. It was a lot to talk about there, but elsewhere you couldn't you sit there and talk about that one game. So we had, we had fun with the Alabama point spread. It's such an Anglo. I wrote it. I'm not gonna say I started the trend or anything, but I was a head of the. I was a head of the game, definitely writing about it and talking about it because I realized the so the the first half line is typically always commensurate with the game line. Yeah. So if you can find value in the why the first apps different than the end of the game, then you have an angle and that's obviously the case with Alabama. The fact that two has not taken. Snap in the fourth quarter. The fact that saving such a gentleman when it comes to running up the score, unlike some other coaches, that's the key. We've made the parallel with the NBA playoffs when teens are down to okay, coming home, oddsmakers have adjusted. So if there's a four point favorite for the game, they'll make the first athlete four as well. I even saw last year in game three, the NBA finals. The Cavs were favored in the first half, but not the game was like minus, right? So because the oddsmakers got buried for a couple of Prec postseasons in a row, they said, screw it. We're just going to treat this like, because if you think about the volume of possessions. I mean, these points are you just can't be headstrong on what the old way of doing things when you see that there is a legitimate now is more like effort and stuff like that. And I it starting to happen with Bama now is they went off as a twenty four point favorite in the first half when the game line was thirty five now at open twenty two. But I wonder if we're gonna start seeing that first half tax given bam, six and against the spread in the first, right? Yeah. Me three and three on the game line, right? Yeah, it could get up to where they're like. The first half is like sixty five seventy percent of the game right eventually for them at least against the weaker teams tricky because unlike basketball points, one twos and threes like touchdown is a big swing. So going from twenty to twenty four. Yeah, can make a big difference, but when they're often too, so explosive touchdown like, well, the thing is our damn. How do I mean outside of the fact that they just are never good at kicking field goals. They haven't even had to settle field goes. They're scoring touchdowns almost. Every possession to by the way, I hate saying this about a college kid versus a professional. So he's he's eight different kickers. Like the guys started the season. He missed an extra point against Louisville, I believe in the season opener and then he missed two more. In the second game, they replaced him. These aren't NFL PAT's these, right? And so the shot. So the the new guy who came in he did okay for the first couple of games and then two games ago, he missed a twenty four yard field goal and thirty one yard field goal and then last extra point before, yeah, I'm guessing people are paying attention to these, but but in general, in the first half, Alabama doesn't settle for field goals. They're scoring touchdowns and when they're up twenty eight, thirty five and you're playing against them, you don't attempt field goals either. What good does it do to get three points when you're already down four or five touchdowns. And so you're right. They everything with the first half, an Alabama ends up being on seven point increments, and so it kinda changes. I'm guessing on your end the way that you look at stuff. I've called it the gravy train. I don't know. Like this week they're laying twenty eight, twenty eight and a half. So Missouri which is obviously in the first half. So I doesn't posted comes out Thursday. So you're looking at like it's going to be over fourteen seventeen over seventeen seventeen and a half would probably be a that's prompting to do, but right, but other things to spend your money I wouldn't. I mean, just so I wanna talk about their defense because guys look last week they covered because they went three and out and got a ball, and then they scored on the first play on deep inside slant. But even before that they needed fumble on the goal line and a couple other. It was just like a wild. I you to earlier where does defense stack up because they did lose a lot of big names to the NFL last year. This was not the first time that Alabama's had a lot of talent depart, but is the first time that I'm aware of that the guys who are the new starters had not played a lot. Most of them had not played a lot the previous year in a lot of times like they hadn't started, but they were out. They're meaningful moments, and you knew what you had these guys that only they still know what they are still don't know what they have right now and they're thin. You know, I think at almost every position on defense, Alabama has a significant drop off from the starter to the second-string guy, and so they're not rotating through in waves in the way that we normally see Alabama now, given, you know, given the blowout nature of their games, it hasn't been a factors far as you know, costing them not. They're not not out there for extended drives and things like that, where becomes a factor, but, but we all know that when you're scoring at a high rate, your scoring quickly and the defense is having to go right back out there, especially it's still hot right now in the south. I mean, it's not the the weather's factor. And so these starters are wearing down and maybe maybe he's leaving them in there in situations where he might not have in the past. He doesn't have much confidence in the backups and. They're giving up. Some of that might be fatigue. Some of it might just not as good. I mean, I know what I'm about to say, this is an Alabama problem. This is not right the problem by anyone else in college football, but I was looking at can't remember if it was Mel or Todd's big board and their latest projections, whatever Alabama had one defensive player projected his first round, pick but shock and for them. I mean, that's this is a weak defense if they only have one. Yeah, I projected to go in the first round of the next draft. Will it matter? Because it's almost the flip side, right? Like in the past defense has been so potent that they haven't. They've just needed like a pedestrian offense to be sufficient now they just need a pedestrian defense. Yeah, let's flip the script and it's almost like they're playing in the big twelve now where if they do eventually get into a match up where someone's able to score with them for a while, well, this big twelve games often come down. Oh, you Texas game. Last week is a great example. Two big servers and tennis, it's like, who can break serve? Well, I've got confidence in Alabama's d. Offense to be able to get you stop over the course of a game. I mean, they're, they're still very, very talented, and a lot of those guys are going to be drafted. They're just not being drafted in the first round and this year. You're out at once. And so I think if you're if you're the rest of college football, what you have to hope is that Alabama does not get better on that side of the ball over the next two months. Because if they do, no one has a chance to beat them. The only way someone can knock Alabama off is if that defense doesn't get any better, they're still busting coverages. And you know, then you gotta hope that you go out there and score a lot on them and to has a bad game throws a couple of picks when that's the other thing. I mean, they have not their starting quarterback is not turn the ball over once it not only picks he has no fumbles. In fact, they haven't played anyone. They have my question him I think am is underrated like I give 'em credit fair for being a good fence. You're right. They did play, but there's only one I will say that and the teams they have coming up the next two weeks. I mean, they'll get through October having played basically one team with a pulse on defense. So we do have to take it a little bit with a grain of salt. But he's Arkansas disciplines defensively. Did they gotta stop on fourth and one, right? I mean, but that let something to turn over. I believe did think there was a phone. I don't feel like I've member. I don't know. I was like immersed in it. Yeah. It's I'm just saying like it wasn't a blowout from the start like some of these other games where I mean, forty one fourteen, I get the first apps score, but there were there was a fumble on the goal line. They did some things. I think Arkansas dropped the ball like, yeah, no, Arkansas had some opportunities that they missed them. So I went through and I looked and this is one of those crazy fumbled and then they recovered and what it was. Yes, they fumbled. And they've been other fumbles I, that was the only fumble your, yeah. Okay. So one of the one of those crazy to stats that we coming back to is that. He is thrown. Twenty five incompletions this year and he has any as twenty eight completions for twenty yards or more. I mean, he has more what you would call explosive play completions than he has incompletions which is, which is insane. Last week he had more touchdowns than incompletions. And so yeah, so I went, I went through looked at his twenty five incompletions. It doesn't take long to break down twenty five incompletions, right. I want unless you're watching and very Prescott first-half there's only one then a lot of times a quarterback. If you've got zero interceptions this late in the season, you've gotten lucky if you times he had one pass that hit a defender who dropped it. Other than that, like there hasn't been a ball deflected at the line that give it a gone. The, you know, the opposite direction might have been picked DB's just generally have not been close to his passes whether they've been caught or not as a way of throwing guys open like the game winner against Georgia last year, he threw it to a spot that derive no ch. Maybe the receiver outta shot at getting does that almost every time. What my point is is that if you're expecting that he's just going to have that bad game, there's no evidence to support that where I mean, sure, you could always have that pass. It goes through the hands of defender as a hands of a receiver bounces up in the air and defender gets it, but he's not throwing balls into traffic. You know, he's, he's putting them. We're only receiver can catch them. And how much is that the bad defense is some of that's because this is what I'm getting was eventually going to get to and just, you know, went around the world jer time and while baseball play. But so the the point was, is that with Alabama schedule, if he had not played in the second half of the national championship game, if we had not already seen him against an elite defense and what he was capable of doing and that was with no starting experience. I think there would be legitimate questions at this point. What will he do? You know a few weeks from now taking on LSU at tiger stay. Medium. What will he do in an SEC championship gaming? Georgia, but we saw him with much less experience go out and he did make some mistakes in that game. Don't get me wrong, but now he has more experience. He's not making those mistakes. We're not seeing all that. And so it's not like it's not like we have no idea what he'll do. If as a good defense, we've seen him against a good defense, but we saw him as a lesser version of what he is now put it to this week, how bad is Missouri because the over under seventy five. And I look at the over Missouri is not a good pass defense and five snafu over also intrigues me that's not good news against Alabama. Now I would expect Missouri to score Alabama, who I would say is their best corner. Trevan digs is out for a few weeks broken foot. They announced that this week and so so now they're, they're best corners off the field. They were already having some coverage issues more more busted assignments than just poor coverage. But still, I mean that that's just another layer to it. So I would think that Missouri will, you know, score twenty something maybe thirty points for the game, but I would I would advise Missouri not score them early because if you do, they're going to leave to in for more possessions, which means you're giving up more touchdowns well, that game in Tuscaloosa seventy Stor night. I like the seventies translates because it's right before the you can still get some good eyeballs on it before the eight o'clock. But yet also means that the students might actually show up in. Unless the media cast more rat poison. Careful. Let's talk about the other SEC team at the top Georgia and you crunch a lot of numbers. What stands out about Georgia when you break down their film and their stats? It's funny because when you compare them to Alabama, Georgia seems a little underwhelming the way that the last few weeks that Missouri Tennessee and Vanderbilt of kind of hung around with them in the first half, but then they've put them away in the second half and it's actually a lot like what Alabama has been the last ten years where they play really good defense. It's not easy to score on them, and eventually their offense breaks loose and you look up at the end of the third quarter. Why was I even thinking this is a game things over and that's what George is doing now. And so they're, they're playing very well. It just kind of pales in comparison to what Alabama's doing but headlights. But when you when you take a deeper dive offenses in Georgia, what jumps out is third down and especially third in long obvious. Passing situations, five yards or more to go. Jake from his number. I was about to say he's been shaky, but I say I'll say his numbers have been shaky last year. In those situations. He had a QBR of eighty eight. That's zero to one hundred scale that was eighth best in the country this year. In that same situation, his QBR third long is fifteen, which ranks one hundred twenty eight. Now it's a small sample only twenty five plays that that we're processing for this, but he's been sacked on five of those twenty five plays. He fumbled on three of them. He's thrown two interceptions in addition to that and just in general, defenses are blitzing him a lot more in obvious passing situations this year than they did last year. And his line is not held up while he's getting hit a lot more. He's throwing off target a lot more because of that. And so whether it's this weekend, LSU or somewhere down the road, it's something to keep an eye on Georgia has trouble running the ball. Ends up getting stuck in third and long. Their offense of line has not done a good job of protecting him when the opponent knows they're going to throw. We talk about in the NFL when the book finally gets out on a quarterback, Vince young going away as back that happened after initially starting out. So strong Dak Prescott as well. We're seeing it now some of that just inaccuracy, but how much of that is. Finally, there's film against Frahm to take away his, you know, favorites or dominant tendencies, things like that. Well, I, I would say just looking at the numbers that's possible that there could be, you know, maybe he has his his security blanket, whether it's running back in the flat or whatever it is that he just goes to the, the first reads, not there and they've picked up on this except that I just did this on sportscenter followed by a breakdown by Trevor matych on Georgia's and he'd gone through and he had looked at all these third down situations. Right. And what his breakdown showed is that it's something different every time. Well, maybe not every time, but, but it's not always that froms under. Scher. There have been times that you know that he threw the ball on target receiver dropped it. There have been times that the receiver broke off the route there was miscommunication and volant up getting intercepted because he threw it to a spot where the receiver didn't go. So it's and Trevor's point though, was that if it was the same thing over and over Utah. Okay. This is correctable sure. But when it's different mistake, every time you got a lot more things to correct, and I think that's concerning if you're Georgia fan, but I don't know that that what Trevor did would point to this, this possibility that it could be just the book on from they figured it out. Gotcha. And then they're the identity tendency and they're taking it away one team that's really intrigued you. A lot of ways is Michigan. Yep. What about the wolverines? Well, the last two years we spent a lot of time talking about their defense and how it's a playoff caliber defense. They're good enough on that side of the ball to be a top four team. The issue has been offense, especially last year quarterback play was horrendous. The offense of line. Has not been good. We're seeing signs of improvement. There was no question that shape. Patterson was going to be an upgrade for them quarterback because they were awful. Last year he's above average right now. He has the potential. He has the talent to be better than that. That's kind of what I'm keeping an eye on with Michigan as we watch them is, can they get that offense to a point where they're even a top twenty five fence if they get that good on that side of the ball with that defense, I think there are threat and they're still out there without a conference loss. Now they do go to Columbus launched at Notre Dame. So that's an excusable loss? Yeah, under the playoff Laurie. If they were to run the table through the big ten given who they would have to beat. And that starts with Wisconsin this week coming into an Arbor, they would have a bunch of quality wins, and if there's a spot for a one loss team in the playoff, I would think Michigan would be first up. Maybe even ahead of, let's say, Alabama, Georgia, undefeated going in the championship game loser of that game. I'm still going to be a really, really good team, but Michigan's resume just in terms of who they beaten would look a lot better than loser that game. Now, we know what the committee, it's not just about who you beat part of it is. Okay. How good are you? That'll be a conversation as well, but Michigan, nobody's talking about them and get it. They're still a long way to go. But I think they're good enough to potentially be there at the end. It's a fair point, and I'm currently looking up the the futures on Michigan because we always look for value there. Twenty five to one right now. Yeah. Wisconsin's going there this week, Penn State has to go to Ann Arbor. They go to Michigan state Michigan does, but Sparky's looking bad right now. Let's be on it because they are bad. Okay. And then at the end against Ohio State, and I realize it's not easy to go into Columbus and win, but they almost one there two years ago, they probably should have won two years ago and flip Buckeye defense. If Nick Bosa doesn't come back. And even with him there, they were still giving big plays, but they're giving up so many big plays that even an offense like Michigan which might not be the most potent. You can find holes in that Ohio State defense and make big plays everyone they played so far with. Maybe the exception Rutgers has has done that is made big plays on them. Michigan's defense is better than Penn State's defense and Penn State gave Ohio State a lot of trouble if not for some pretty exceptional individual efforts by receivers running after the catch Ohio State loses that game at Penn State. And I don't know they'd be able to do the same thing or have that same type of success with short passes and long runs against Michigan that they had against Penn State. So I think it's a scary game for the buckeyes. If Michigan keeps getting better offense. I don't know where where I know you guys, it's a committee that makes the decision. You mentioned it earlier. I wanna get your -pinion on it. The you said of the SEC championship game loser could go the playoff. I don't think they should go at all right. Because you look at that as a quarterfinal game. I look at it because it's neutral. Yes, I would have no problem, Michigan. Let's even Notre Dame, lose a game Stanford or something and Notre Dame's not undefeated and like I even think I think the whole point of that is a quarterfinal because it's what. Okay. So let's say you do choose them. You're putting them a month later on a neutral field against one of the top four teams in the country, right? Well, they did that. They just did that in December where I think it gets tricky for the committee. I mean, like I get what you're saying and to find out the best team in the country like at it's like people who complain about like the NFL overtime, we'll they didn't get the ball because the other team sorta touchdown. Well, yet four quarters. My point is you already had a chance to beat one of the four of the country or the other three. If you wanna consider yourself on the four and you lost a neutral. Okay. We'll look take the NFL overtime rule, whether it's way didn't get the ball. Well, that's the rule. You know if this touchdown the game's over. Correct. Okay. The rule in college football is according to the committee guidelines for best teams and it, it's not well, you know, that's basically a quarter final to top four teams on a neutral. No, for sure. All the data. We don't have all the data point. So what I would say to that is where it gets tricky for the committee is if those teams happen to be ranked one and two going into that game, and they play just a, you know, just just a classic in last second field goal or overtime when it is the center, how can you say that the loser that game is no longer one of the four best teams in the country. Especially if let's because we're splitting hairs, they literally lost to one of the other. Okay, but so what if you're now comparing them to to someone loss teams, I'm not saying that you put them in over an undefeated team, but what if they're out there against other one loss teams to say that someone who lost to a worse team, I've no different time of the season better than them because we're trying to determine the best conference of the best team. We take this leap. No, right. It's all about this, but but to get there, it starts with the former best, right? But you're so I defend the pick for Alabama last year. I thought it was a perfect storm that they got a chance, but I think losing Auburn is so much different than losing on a neutral field here. Here's an example, like, here's the thing. The reason I hated to be for so long. There was such deference and assumption to the SEC was the best conference. So they always won the tiebreaker Stanford at a loss orchestra had a loss like the lost at Iowa State that year and or or an SEC team at a loss. The one loss SE team went in that was bogus because you can't just assume that they. Get the the nod over anyone I get where you're going, which is that neither Alabama nor Georgia will have a significant win out of conference when it gets to the, it's not judging them fish. And my point is I'd rather take the unknown of a one loss team versus the the two teams that literally just played on a neutral court, neutral field accepted veteran that and I understand where you're coming from and other people share that opinion. But that's not the job of the selection committee where it gets tricky. There's owning too much if they're, you're Suming too much of the four best. Do you if you do put them in? Do you see them in such a way that they would only meet in the championship game? I don't. I cannot imagine the committee would want to have them come back in the very next game, and that's not the reliever, right? That's not what the committee. I'm of the belief that Stanford with two losses should have gone ahead of Michigan state with one loss a couple years ago. That's five. You believe there? They were a better team. I mean, what we saw in the bowl games, not that that's supposed to matter after the fact, but both bowl Rizzoli back our example, even Ohio State winning it all with cartel Jones. I don't think that they should have even the fact that the results prove them, like I still going back to that junk. In time. I don't think they thought the TCU should have gone. Yeah. TCU who say they wouldn't have wanted because that was a great team that was that was ole miss in the Bob ably the best team, the either well. That TCU team the Ohio State team in both fifteen and seventeen those. Those were really good teams that didn't get in the playoffs that that eighty seventeen, how stadiums of. The seventy of the fifteen fifteen is the one that lost to Michigan state on that last second field had a battle NFL players. Yeah, that was the best. Yeah, that was that was a really good team. So coming back to your point about losing that last game, they won team that that they're in. If they go undefeated Notre Dame, right. The question is could they survive one loss? And what I would say to that is they cannot lose the last game at USC because. You made this point of view you gotta quarterfinal setup potentially in the SEC championship game? Well, if the whole goal is to prove to the committee that you're one of the four best teams in the country, what you can't do is go out there and you're very last game in lose to a team that is very clearly not one of the four team, not even close to one of the four, Alabama. Last year they lost at Auburn. An Auburn was certainly in that argument for one of the four best teams. And so you recognize the quality, the loss, Notre Dame see, and you just Alabama caught a break state, having two loss winning. There are a lot of other factors. Other years, Alabama would not have gotten a break. I said, I was okay last year with it because it was a perfect storm. Yep. But, but but to the Notre Dame point, if they're going to lose a game and still have a chance, it can't be the USC game because you cannot end on a loss to a team that is nowhere near the conversation of getting the player and have. People. If there's all chaos everywhere, then you can just run out of time for the cats. I'll let me give. Let me give you a note of because everyone everyone wants to keep throwing out what this team, this team, this team in this team all go undefeated. All right, that is both statistically and historically improbable. First of all, where we sit today, the the this is a coding to to be I the chance for Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State Clemson, Notre Dame, all to get through November undefeated. This is not including the conference championship game. Just getting to that last weekend without losing right now is at two percent. And I know everyone look team individually who's going to beat them, but that's college football combined ability, right, exactly. Combined probability in losses, come in places where we don't see them coming, and that's, that's what we love about the sport. But then historically the last time that there were four major undefeated untied teams at the end of the regular season. And when I say major, I mean not not what we call FBI s today, but we we call power five today. So major conferences plus major independence. Last time that happened was nineteen forty nine. Okay, and four, four and in nineteen forty nine. Those teams had either nine or ten regular season games contrast that with today where they have twelve regular season games and the very best except for Notre Dame or having to play thirteenth game against another very good team, the odds against it just go up immensely because of the extra games and so it's not going to happen. Everybody wanted to happen and look, I'd love to see the committee to deal with it, but it's not gonna happen. It's not going to have happen. All right. I like it not four undefeated 's credit. I find it highly if they're four, if there are for UCF will be one of them aren't going to be four major undefeated. I mean, right now the top, the top six in the country are undefeated and then you have central Florida Colorado, and obviously, Alabama Georgia can't both go into feed it. We recognize that you're just talking through November. Through November right now we have six, the top, and then you have Colorado, and then you have by the way NC state right. So we run these similar eight right now. Yeah. So we run these simulations everyday twenty thousand simulations of the remaining games. And are you serious? And so not so. So Colorado yesterday when undefeated through the Pac twelve championship game in three of twenty thousand simulations today they only went undefeated in one of twenty thousand simulations. And so they a little bit of a long shot. I think we say there any given simulation that old cliche. Yeah, exactly their their next two games are at USC and at Washington, their combined probability. It's like two and a half percent of those Lawson. You would think so. But that's why we play the games, right? That's why they play the game. Appreciate your taking the time, man. I know you're busy. You're sued on sportscenter hit. Yeah, taped another podcast and the Bod casper everyone go check out campus conversation conversation, and we talked about things like Colorado, zero point, zero percent chance. Everything's on. On there as well. Everyday. A lot of good guys Ivan's on their match six on their Chris low contributes at written Berg whole host of our college football family. Right? You name them? They're okay. Brad, thanks man. CNN talk nerdy to me. All right. That wraps up this edition of the behind the best podcast. Thank you for downloading and rating and review, right guy. That's gotta do exactly from your performance only then we have to say is say that men his. We're all cash in a little bit nice to have Bob Lee weighing in even during his sabbatical. So tip of the cap to the general Hefei. So download rate and review. 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CFB Week 12 Preview

"Into the game. You kind of your money. That's how you find out. All my pets were safe that wouldn't be any juice juice point spreads the prophets. But teasers the parlays from Vegas to you. This. He's behind the bat. So. Welcome in another behind the beds podcast. We we're going three d on this one Bill steals. Gonna join us talk about his five plays when to two and one last week and met Uman. So you might remember from the podcast earlier this season. Does a nice job with college basketball and college football? So he's going to join us, and we were able to fit Madden because Mr. director John Murray had some board meetings. Corporate execs hobnobbing with the suits. So we were able to get Murray back on the pod. But he's fitting us in now. So that's how we roll KYW. We've already been demoted. Hey, man, when when you set up that high it's hard to look down below. Yeah. He's big time. And that's all the time. So we were able to get Murray. You know, his time is valuable. So we only get him for a few minutes. These days Mr. director is certainly a sought after man out there in Las Vegas, and I didn't catch that. That score. Rutgers had that money line picked. Well, they did not take the whole forty eight. If you know what I'm saying they were able to cover though, hours vindicated by that a little bit. I mean, the first half they did decent. I think a lot better than anybody expected. But by the end of the game everybody knew what there is. But I will say this. I'm even more of indicated by my Rucker scarlet knights as a community to c Vivian stringer with the one thousand wins. That's totally. But you knew that was coming. Yeah. Yeah. We knew both were coming. I I was dealing with record against the spread though. That's that's what I want to congratulate her. But you must be a proud alum. And that's that's good. But so good, you got the lingo down KAI? You know, they covered chugging along. But the money line you might want to I want to put those predictions a little bit back in in the cage for awhile. I knew it was crazy when it came out of my mouth. But hey, what was this show? If you don't have some crazy fair that's fair. All right. So let's get it everything straight ahead. Stop how. Time. Yes, it is hammer time Phil Steele joins us here on the behind the beds podcast fill roller coaster endings in some of these games to in particular. You're involved with had the fiasco in Cincinnati final seconds. And also the big game at night. Chris Fowler had the reference to it BC. Clemson you get the push. But it was it was certainly hairy down the stretch for a couple of games. Yeah. Was and Cincinnati is you pointed out text me on Saturday night. Sure looked said into the end zone for the cover and now on but just didn't happen on the one yard. I've had a couple of games like that. We're players going down on the one yard line. Not not my place, but overall at the end of the game which cost to cover. Yes. The LSU which was so crazy. I'm thinking about writing about it for my Friday call because the player pull the Todd Gurley went down. Twice for then coach oh was trying to run more plays. That's what was so strange. Coach Odin go victory formation afterwards. He was trying to punch it in and look colleges. Don't typically do the victory formation like the NFL or as often as they do. Sometimes you do in one score games. You do. But not like that. It's not that common. Like it is in the NFL. Yeah. And I've never seen a player slide down to a knee twice to avoid scoring and have them try to run a play when they didn't have to. I think that's a first for me in football. And also the so yet a shoe string tackle in the Cincinnati game. That guy was trying to like bust it in and that would have been miraculously cover, although it was eleven and a half in my pool. So it landed twelve I got there my Bickham. And maybe if you bet earlier in the week, and then also the Florida Gators had first in ten twelve or thirteen and he gets tackled in the one on a shoestring that would have covered. Yeah. So it was a neutral week around the goal line at the end and a lot of money changing hands in a brief amount of time. Right, right. And you know, many people were wondering. Including myself because I do a pick with will Cain every Friday. I give them one play so often it's been Alabama first-half this week as an adult. So it's the first time I lost all season. So I was trying to run the table could not then even Alabama had some theatrics with a penalty. Yeah. At the end. So Mississippi State score not one but two touchdowns that were notified in the final minute. What was the halftime line there? Doug, fourteen and a half fifteen inch area. Oh, fourteen excuse me, sitting on twenty one. I followed. It was twenty one in reality reality. I mean, you look at their ticky tack penalty that they called at the end of the the have to wipe out the touchdown. Then you have to wonder about that one a little bit looked like he barely even touched up. Yeah. It was a phantom block in the back for sure in my eyes at least so two and one for you. I went to in one on sportscenter. So keeping up the street. I believe it's twenty two and eight I'm not one hundred percent sure on that I've had two three weeks and then two and one every other week. So do the math on that. But I right now, I just want to get to and one the rest I I want to avoid. That would be remarkable to go the entire season. Like that. Again, we Elena towards this week. You know, I think my favorite play is Minnesota. I think that's the spot play. I I would I would really find it hard to believe to back. Or very hard to do not believe hard to do to back back north western here. I just like you can't like they've already clinched a spot in the big ten title game. And they're not good as favorite. I don't believe. They've covered all years a favourite and it's a short short line. But I just don't think the spot you have to take Minnesota here. Yeah. And that's actually one of my five place this week. Doug is is Minnesota. And you know, the reason I like as you mentioned northwestern, you gotta think Pat FitzGerald has been sitting there. Northwestern taken. I wanna win a big ten championship for on this is thirteenth year there. And since the big ten title game was happened. He's probably thinking I want to get to that big ten title game. They spend the spring thinking about the summer all season long haven't been there. And then the finally clinch it after all these years, and you know, there at the end of a three game stretch where they just played Wisconsin Notre Dame and Iowa. Now your goal. Are realized you're going on the road taking Minnesota as you mentioned. They don't do all as favorite. They're also not a great team. Statistically, despite the fact, they've wrapped up the big ten west ready. Their minus twenty one yards per game on the season being outgained. You look at how they've done the last four weeks every two hundred ninety five yards per game on the season. They run the ball for just two point eight yards per carry Thorson over the last four weeks and just fifty two percent that they three five ratio. And they're actually thrown about only one hundred fifty yards per game in that span and not a dominant team. They're also banged up in the secondary. Numerous guys miss last week's game against Siwei yet somehow came out of there at the win. And on the flip side of the coin, you know, Illinois season looked like it was lost. When it lost annoy but complete Minnesota returned it around last week against Purdue part of their defense coordinator helped produce a season low two hundred thirty three yards. They're at home. They need one win to get to a bowl. And they've got at Wisconsin. I deck. Gotta think they try to get it with all their might here. So it's an eight plus game for Minnesota. And it is a C minus effort for north western this week. I agree with you hundred percent. I like Minnesota, plus the points at home and on top of that these athletes are not exactly hundred percent focused on this game because you mentioned FitzGerald, but think about all the media questions all the attention on campus, the buzz is about winning their division. So like that Sunday Monday, Tuesday, they're not exactly focused on their opponent. Does that make sense at least oh absolutely ineffective? Probably trying to figure out how to get tickets to the big ten title game. Probably be a sellout when northwestern goes there. So it's yeah. Everybody's patting them on the back. Great job love ya. You know, all that stuff, and that really has an effect on you. We'll just exactly because like think about media Vel Bill. Let's say it's Tuesday. Right. Let's just throwing out a day. How many of the questions are? Focused on the big ten title game. And how many are focused on Minnesota? And I think that's just reflective. And then you go on the road. And I think PJ Fleck needs wins. I think he's trying to establish himself in this. Gophers team is this kind of frisky and they need one win to get to a ball. Xactly another game. I have an eye on is talk about flat spots is Oklahoma. Now, I'm not one hundred percents. Sure, I'm going to go with it. Because it's such a big number in the Sooners had trouble covering those big numbers. The last couple of weeks, but Kansas just put everything everything on the field and the sunflower showdown against K state. And now they gotta go again on the road to Norman, and I can see this game. This might be a first-half play for me. This just might be Oklahoma wax in them naming the score in the first half. That makes a lot of sense. I prefer absolutely prefer first-half over game for this one. Because when you look at Oklahoma, they're off Abed them. They've got West Virginia on deck. Now, if they were to lose to West Virginia and Texas went out there, not even in the big twelve title game. So they need to win that West Virginia game next week. It's massive the Oklahoma state game is always big it's a flat spot for Oklahoma. But you gotta think that their offense. We'll do whatever they wanna do against Kansas defense. So I can see him in the second half sitting some guys down getting ready for West Virginia. So first half would be the best play. There. Would you mentioned the sandwich spot element to this? How much confidence do we have in? All you coming out strong knowing that they're playing team like Kansas, very, plus. It's just Kansas. Yeah. The good thing is their offense. I get the feeling that they want to score points every week. So the starters are in turn into an Alabama situation where you play the starters the first half and went Kotler Marie and company or on the field. I don't know how Kansas can stop them. So they figured a score each time. They have the ball in the first half. All right. So that's where I'm leaning what you have Minnesota plus two as your. I oil play. What's another one? Let's go with, you know, last week throughout a total with the the Brassica Illinois total got there in the third world. Yeah. That was a nice one. So I'm gonna go back with the toll on this time. We're going to ask you see country for it. And I'm gonna take a look at Vanderbilt and ole miss it's only sixty six and a half and much like last week. I'm up to teams that are really poor rush defenses old miss this year on the ground in see play giving up two hundred forty five yards per game five point four yards per carry. Now say this if you play college fantasy football find a way to get his Sean Vaughan on your team. This is a dominant running back going against a week run defense, Sean von should light it up for about two hundred fifty yards in this game running the football. And when ole miss stacks align to stop them. You got Kyle Shurmur back. There's gotta seventeen to five ratio. He's throwing the Lipscomb. And he's throwing Pinkney. I see vandy putting up a lot of points on Mississippi's defense. And that's. Sound exactly shocker? I don't think you need a crystal ball for that one. Yeah. They're giving up forty three points a game for crying out loud five hundred ten yards per carry Brown. The flip side of the coin Vanderbilt can't stop the run in SEC play. They're giving up two hundred fifty four yards per game on the ground five point five yards per carry now Phillips's questionable role miss, but they've got some running backs Tamou can also run the football got three hundred fifty six yards. So I think all miss we'll be able to stab us. Ron dad opens it up for Tom and one of the best set of receivers in the country in ole miss. They can score. I'm pretty much anybody. I'm frankly little surprise tolls. Only sixty six and a half on this. And check the weather whether it's going to be good should be at worst in the forties. But a partly cloudy night. So it should be good football weather. Not a lot of wins. And two teams. They can't stop the run, which means look out. We're gonna see some points. And I think it'd be much like the Nebraska nor game was last week. Now, you you say something that sort of has. I basically here a lot of people say all running both teams run the ball under. And that's obviously plausible the NFL. But in college when you get chunk yards of fifteen twenty eight that doesn't necessarily stop the clock. But the the clock stops first downs. So rushing teams can still lend themselves to the over in terms of generalization. Yeah. If you're giving up six or seven yards of pop. Yes. If if the teams are given a four yards of pop, and they run the football a lot then. No. But in this case, I see both team just gashing the other one on the ground, which means you gotta bring it safety in the box place. More man to man coverage that opens for big places. Well, and when you take defenses that are just this bad. I mean over five yards per carry on the ground for both of them. That's just you could pretty much do what you want office next game. I want to go to the Pac twelve country was oon ice cover against Colorado, and you're sticking with the cougs. Yeah. And you take a look at this match. Yup. And you know, you look at eras ONA temperatures in the seventies all week for Zona. They're going up the police it's Pac twelve after dark game starts at ten. Thirty eastern seven thirty at night. I think the highs are gonna be about forty two which means you're dipping into the thirties. At time could be late twenties towards the end of the game. You got on a players that are used to seventy degrees. They've been home the last two weeks. So it's not like they played in cold weather all year. That's a nice big advantage. Have then I look for a heightened homefield advantage here. In fact, not only the weather on their side. But they are just crazy in the police for Washington state right now. And it's not it doesn't narrative game days. Not gonna be there. They are just it caught that it is lit them up. They're just all fired up. So you're gonna have a sell out home crowd. They're gonna be loud at the start a lot at the finish. And it's a pretty good Washington state team to you look at these teams off the edge, Washington state. I know Cleal Tate's had a couple of good games. Last two one against an organ team that was in. Bad spot and the other one against Colorado. He had a good game. But Washington state with just lit up that same Colorado team. And then on the flip side of the coin Washington state's got a legitimate Defensor all the points to seventy eight yards below their season average Arizona's actually allowing their Ponant three yards above their season. Average special teams edge also to Washington state. So better offense much better defense special teams edge large home edge better team overall. I like Washington state. I'm surprised spreads under ten. It's only about nine and a half. You look at the only other two teams with a winning record that heiress Ona's played on the road this year. They lost by twenty seven Houston. They lost by thirty two at Utah. And I think Washington state could be better in both those I like, Washington state, minus nine and a half. I know you'll lewd it to the fact they've been at home the past couple of weeks. But obviously Arizona's looked a lot better with Khalil Tate back from injury. And you mentioned the previous times they've had to face teams with a winning record on the road. But how much of the re? Recency there. I say bias is a variable here that actually airs may be like just a much better team right now at this juncture of the season. What Khalil Tate actually only missed? Well, most of the UCLA gave. But did he get pulled and some? I mean, he was a Bisbal earlier or militancy. Yeah. But the thing is Tate still not running the football. Last year Khalil Tate was a guy that ran the football. They have limited his running hall year. And even in these last two wins. He had four carries for fifteen yards. Seven carries for twenty six years. So he has been doing it through the air, but only one hundred eighty nine yards against Oregon. I just think they cut Oregon and a heck of a flat spot there. So we have not seen the Cleal Tate of last year return. We have seen a much better passing Cleal Tate. But the running Khalil Tate is not there. And I don't expect to see that in the final two games. You mentioned the total. You had last week that involved Illinois ally night at home today or excuse me this weekend hosting the Hawkeyes little bit of a rivalry game. They're fourteen and a half, and you like the hawks put up some points against that Illinois D. Yeah. You know, our comes into this off three straight, gut wrenching losses. They could easily have one each last three games. The Penn State game intercepted the to Purdue kicks late field goal. The beat them. They fumbled. Their last two possessions against north. Western actually had a three thirty three two three six yard edge. So three tough losses against three. Good teams. And they need to get a win and coach farance is actually fourteen two and one as an away favorite not great as a home favourite, but as way favorite fourteen to one you look at this year they were favored at Minnesota one that one forty eight to thirty one they went into Indiana won that game forty two sixteen. Now, I'm gonna take it back a few weeks. Remember, we talked about the Iowa Marilyn game that week and. Said I like the I wa because Maryland needs to run the football to win. I think I can show them down. And I would did just that them to sixty eight yards rushing three point zero yards per carry infects seven I down for the entire game. Well, illinois's much say way, they need to run the football the win and they haven't running on almost every single team. They played this year. The one team to really showdown surprising was Purdue hell them to sixty nine yards rushing that game Illinois lost forty six to seven. But they've lost other games this year like Wisconsin by twenty nine points. Maryland beat them by thirty Nebraska this past week just beat them by nineteen. And I think I will probably better than all of those teams out there and it's coming in off three losses with a much better run defense. I was always specified can run the football. We talked about last week. The numbers continue to go up. Doug, illinois's run defense is giving up two hundred eight yards per game on the ground in big ten play. How about six point seven yards per carry? That's almost seven yard. Every time you run the football on them. They cannot stop the run that opens up Freia wa and angry hiawatha team off a three straight losses. Illinois's lost a lot of games this year by over fourteen points. And I think this just adds to the mix tough weekend frill annoy I like the hawk is minus fourteen to. Yeah, they're really just not that strong football team hawkeye's if they mean business, and they wanna be this polish of upper-echelon big ten team. They need to go in there take care of business. And I and I kinda see where you're going with this. I think they do as well. Final game Miami on the road at Blacksburg lane stadium. Not quite what it has been in. Recent years is for Jinya tech team stumbling I believe three straight losses pretty shaky and you like the canes here land laying less than a touchdown. Yeah. I'm gonna take you back to one of my magazine conversations for this Doug when I talked to the coaches during the it's usually about an hour. Call go over every single player on the team at them. First string second third four string. Get played get notes on each and every player on the team. So I'm talking to bud foster the defensive coordinator for Virginia Tech this year. And we're going over every player on his defense. And I get to the end of the conversation after analyzing the defense with them. And I go, you know, coach every coach out there says boy, we're young this year and go, of course, you're young. You've got five classes on the team you've got seniors juniors sophomores, Richard freshman freshman. So right there you have sixty percent underclassmen and you suffer more attrition with your seniors juniors. So in coaches say oh, we've got sixty five percent underclassmen. I said big deal in this case. I said coach you're young. I'm almost his entire defense was freshmen sophomores. He had a handful of veterans at that time. Then over the summer they lost three projected star. Others off that defense and now this season during the season they've lost to Moore that projected starters. So everybody's wondering what is happening Virginia Tech St. fence. This year's put foster forgot the coach. No, but foster has de leashed experience defense entire college football. 'cause the one thing he couldn't afford was injuries and departures any suffered him this year. And that's why they're giving up this ridiculous amount of yards and and points per game that they have been very unbuttoned foster like, but what what's your Virginia Tech next year? Anyway, that takes us to this game. Miami actually comes in number four in the country. They come in number three in the country. They're giving up just four point one seven yards per play last week against Georgia Tech they lost because they gave up a fumbled kick return and a Fogel. Punt return both inside there on ten yard line. Basically handing Georgia Tech ten points in the twenty seven twenty one loss defense into anything wrong. They play great game. Now offense. I think that you're gonna see Miami with their weapons. I've got Homer. They've got Dallas. Both to be able to have big time games against his banged up. Depleted Virginia Tech defense. So I like Miami's offense to do some damage here. And like Miami's defense one of the better defenses in the country. They need a win. They only have five on the year. And I'd like Miami go into Virginia Tech and come out of there at the win by I think, they're laying five and a half. I'll lay the five and a half an hour. I'm not in love with Miami. This year Rosie has been shaky. But for all the reasons you mentioned I see that play unfolding what do you make of Alabama? You know that key number of fifty one. Well, you know, I wanna look at is what my computer has on the game and my computer spits out Alabama sixty two to minus ten so that's that's pretty much saying take the ten points, the sixty two you gotta win by seventy two. But like you said, I mean, you know, they've got Auburn. They've got the big game on deck. The other thing I worry about here for Alabama. Is that the sydell runs the triple option, and you look at them this year, they have been running the running the football and the option all year, but you got some high priced Alabama defensive front seven players going to be a little concerned about chop blocks which that happened a couple of years ago. Remember, they played Georgia Southern believe it was and Georgia Southern actually had the most yards rushing on them the entire season of any team. Even though they had the most dominant defense in the country. They struggled against the triple option. Now, this is a this is a bad citadel team couple of weeks ago. They played my which is really really bad team and beat them thirty four to thirty two. But they come in four and four overall lost. Affirmed firm by eleven beat western Carolina. But you know, the computers got him up there. But frankly, it's the game I win, touch and the the chop the cut blocking would be something. I would really concern me. I kinda liked the citadel after you explain some of that I might be leaning now to doesn't play of course, because I don't think he's gonna play. But I'm leaning if he doesn't play whatever quarterback they put in there's gonna try to try to score some points. Well, yeah. But saving, saving, you know. He doesn't just say. Yes, that's a I mean, it's just complicate kinda like the citadel after you broke it down like that. Especially with two our because I'm assuming to is not gonna play at least that's how I would approach it in. And then Jalen hurts hobbled. I'm assuming Mack Jones is the quarterback. But I mean, he's good. He's capable. Don't get me wrong. But it's not the same to obviously. Yeah, that's true. And you know, I went back, and and just looked it was two thousand eleven Alabama had just amazing defense effect on a year. Doug. They gave up one hundred eighty four yards per game. Game total offense seventy two yards per game on the ground in Georgia Southern with their option and cut blocking that year three hundred two yards rushing of that. So the really Alabama probably closer to fifty yards per game. 'cause at three twos included in it three hundred forty one yards Georgia Southern did the next closest opponent. All year was Penn State with two fifty one in the second game of the season. That's how dominant that album defense was but how poorly they did against the triple option. Interesting too is slated to play. I gotta take Nick Sabin is at his word, but I have magin Jones. We'll get in there. Pretty quickly. Other games. I have about sets a MAC shin. Do you have any opinions on the maximum tonight? I think there's an interesting angle here. Miami of Ohio is catching seven at northern Illinois now because of the outcomes last night, and I you automatically gets a bid in the MAC championship game. So maybe a little bit less to play for do you like the red hawks catching a touchdown. Yeah. It since that happened. I definitely think that that makes Miami legitimate plan. You look out Miami's been playing this year there, actually probably better record. You'll get that game against Cincinnati is a game played in a torrential downpour. They're actually only gained by thirty five yards. It was more like a. Yeah. Even the coach said after game as well. Like a seven nothing game rather than twenty one nothing the mid western Michigan game. They they blew a lately lost by a point. They crushed Akron crush, Kent state. They gave army a heck of a game. They were down by a couple of scores rally took that thing to overtime. Armies a pretty good team. They get buffalo. A great game on the road ended up losing by nine but it was actually closer than that. And they just come off a nice win over a high. Oh, so you've got a Miami team defensively only points thirty three yards below their season. Average offense. Gus rag wants finally starting to look like Gus raglan. He didn't look like that in the first three games. But now he's got like a fifteen to one ratio to last six games Alonzo Smith run the ball and northern like you said since since it's cliched forum. It's a lot less intensity. It's tough to to deal with that. Sometimes. So yeah, I would lean with Miami. Plus the full touchdown down. When I my computer coming in had this one fairly close to the seven. So you'd have to bring it under that. Yeah. I thought Miami of Ohio played really well last week. I was watching that game Hieaux. I know they've done. Well, but they just look shaking their passing game shaky. So it was a nice win for Miami of Ohio, basically safety proved to be the difference. But any other games that you would recommend you got Michigan lane for touchdowns here potential. Look ahead spot. I did like Maryland catching the seventeen that lines obviously down to fourteen now fourteen and a half at some spots. UCF seven against Cincinnati. Lot of hoopla down there with game day in Orlando any thoughts in the Bearcats given the type of season they had and obviously we can exclude last week's tough one against. I like the way Cincinnati is playing defensively. They're actually holding Ponant store one hundred twenty nine yards below their season average, which is the fifth best Mark in the country. You look at UCF. They've had some close games the Memphis game. They needed a late comeback to win the temple game. Even though they won by twelve they were trailing in the second half. And even last week that they beat navy by eleven that's the same navy team. That's Cincinnati just beat forty to nothing. I like the way Mike Warren's run on the ball. He's got over a thousand yards Desmond Ridder's, but probably the biggest difference. Besides defense being so great this year. Is that ritter's giving them a good pass threat on the offense? I think you know, it's tough to go against UCF in Brighthouse. But I would I would lean with the points that one how about the bailout game at night, you got Hawaii on the islands laying six and a half against the rebels of UNLV off the improbable win against San Diego State. And this Wyoming. Teams bad like bad bad. They've lost four straight. And you know, they've just been shaky. The only game they lost excuse me. One. I jumped around a little bit. But basically covered one of their last seven one excuse me one of their last nine, but I almost wanna lay the points with white just given the flat spot for UNLV end the travel. Yeah. And I like you it'll be plus the points. I think UNLV's, right. I'll tell you why you know, when I talked to coach role of in the spring going over the team. I was like, wow. This team is a lot of talent this year. They'll be lucky to win three or four games, and they came out and introduce the run-and-shoot offense. She didn't know who the quarterback was going to be but became coal McDonald. And boom in those first five games, they were lighting it up there average about four I six games, I should say they average about forty five points per game. But now over the last five games now everybody's caught onto the run-and-shoot. And what it is. They're actually only averaging about twenty points per game unless less than half of what the average the first five games. So they're struggling offensively to move the ball. Like, they did as teams are no longer taken off guard by the run and shoot. Then you look at this UNLV team. Now last week the first thing I thought of because the game was not TV. So I didn't get to watch it Doug as I try to watch every single game out there. But it wasn't watching that one was when I saw that they beat. Sandiego state. I knew they were getting back their quarterback amount of Rogers last week. So I figured okay Rogers who went out after the fourth game is back. They were able to get the run game going surprise and ego stayed beat them was much as Rogers was able to return. It was still Maximillian throwing the football. It's been a completely different offense for them. At the start of the year. They were average over three hundred yards for game rushing with the mobile amounting Rogers with Lexington Thomas and company, but now with Mexican they're more of a passing offense. I believe gives a Cal transfer. So they've got themselves a good pass offense. Lexington Thomas at running back, and they are starting to play better. You look at the San Jose State game a couple of weeks ago. I thought they played well air force almost beat at home. So even though that they have a bad season. So far going nowhere. I think they're playing better like the way the offense which the first game they had with Gilliam that one hundred sixty six yards. But since then it's almost every single game. It's been over four hundred I like the way UNLV's playing I would take them plus the points if you're staying up late. All right bail out game. You never know you might need. My need my need in desperate times. Call for desperate measures. Any other games jumping out before? We let you go fill watch you touch on a couple of we normally have pretty good success with that. I know you you do nice job of talking me through things. Florida state. You know, BC's got quarterback injuries shoe off the letdown. If you will Clemson and game day in town to Tallahassee which at times is looked dead than at times. Look respectable the guy the blown out against Notre Dame. This is a coin flip game for me. I don't have an opinion here. I do lean with DC even other modest one the half. And you could go back to the fact it's the first time Boston College has been favored over Florida state and say, whoa. But then go back to the NC state game a couple of weeks back. It was first time NC state of favorite over Florida state and result, forty seven twenty eight all NC state, just I'm data and the thing with four. Estate is as good as their defense has been all year certain aware down a little bit. You know Dame gashed them for seven point three yards per carry NC state random ball, seventy seven yards on them. And while AJ Dylan's not one hundred percent won't be a hundred percent. The rest of the year. They still have one of the best offensive lines in the country. Brown got injured last week. But EJ Perry's a good athlete. He's got four or five speed and probably the run more option knowing that he's there. And I think you'll see that worked in more. It's tough to take you know, when your quarterback goes on the first series like it did against Clemson. You don't really have the game plan set up free j Perry. Quarterback. Now, they have the entire week. And I get the feeling Brown may play may not play dot CO says he's a semi hopeful hill play. But at least a work on it during the week. And I think you'll see Perry execute that BC's got a legitimate defense. No doubt about if not for that. Punt return touchdown by Clemson. Then they only allow twenty points to the Tigers. So with the defense the fact that PC's playing a lot better. And I don't think it's going to be a rabbit, Florida state home crowd. Let's face it. They could turn into boo birds in the second quarter. I would take BC minus one and a half there. I said that it's like you with such a different such a contrast in playing style, you really need a week of practice and have things lined up to make that quarterback switch when it's such a contrast. I thought BC was in a tough spot there. But you know, it's it's a link card for me in terms of what I like, maybe I'm over thinking about trying to finish line air. Well, actually, this is this is probably the worst weekend because I've never I mean, this is a week where you have so many huge favorites in flat spots with big games on deck and day. Every ticket catches the same. I I'm okay with you know, look, I'll bet NFL preseason five angle. It's it's all about finding the, you know, the value or the inefficiency whatever you wanna call it. But I just don't have a good feel for these games. That's my problem. Yeah. I'll throw it a game with a big line on you might wanna take a look at. And it's a it's a game in the American conference. A lot of folks are gonna look at. And they're they're probably gonna look at the line and say what the hag is East Carolina giving seventeen points to anybody for because they're at six. Do you kind is is bad this year? And you know, it's coming off a game where they were at home against smooth. And the cold weather, you're on the east coast SMU jumped out to a big lead thirty one to ten and then Connecticut got the cover. They lost by twelve. They have run the ball better down the stretch. I'll give him that. But defensively I mean, they're giving a hundred and eighty eight yards above their season average and what a frustrating year, freese Carolina. I mean, East Carolina is so much better than their two and seven record went indicate you go back to the the game against USF. They had a twenty four to nine I down Ed against USF. They look like the better team. If you would know which was which you would have these Carolina was the fourteen point favorite in that game. Then they played Houston and played a good game. You you see f they were down by two scores. Try to jump pass in the end zone return for a touchdown. Then to give up late score. They didn't lose by twenty seven points back. They outgained UCF. Memphis, also close game in the fourth quarter and a flu and by eighteen and then two lane. Tough six point loss last week. So they so much better record. They're at home in their home. Finale. They'll take Connecticut seriously, and I like to win this one by more than the seventeen. All right. So you're gonna lay the wood with a two win team. Yes. And I said they're not your typical to win team. They have I've watched them almost every week of the season closely, and they're actually out gaining their opponents by twenty two yards per game this year, how many teams can you say that about none, Phil? We we overlooked a huge game. I can't believe we can't believe game days. Not there. Frankly in Piscataway Rutgers fresh off is guys cover not quite the money line lined in cash. The Rutgers did get the cover last week against the wolverines you like your scarlet knights here. Catching twenty seven at home against Penn. State for some reason, I thought you were going to talk about Syracuse of you know, that was tough last week to watch and male biter forty two seven. Yeah. Yeah. The first early. Seventy RTD gave me a little bit of false hope. But you know, then someone tweet us a picture of like win probability. And when it was seven seven in the. Yeah. At that juncture, it's still said zero percent. Smart, computer? Say I'll probably will not be watching the game. Do you like them plus the points? You think it's you're looking Michigan's flat spot you kinda nailed it with the points gave them a touchdown early. Probably probably, you know, lackadaisical effort if you will in the wolverines do even allow that. Right. They've covered three straight as Rutgers thoughts. Now. Gosh, nothing is KYW's back into his turtle shell. Is required and at one. No. And he's taken at home with them. Right. That's right. That's right. I don't know about wanna know Philly. He was thinking about throwing some cheddar there on the money line. One and a half a loss. There would a book. I would have booked up for you every so next time you're thinking about that give me a call. I'll talk through with you next. Let's about it. I gotta I gotta hit the drawing board there because there has been lines. Like, I'd probably be on. I'd be on Maryland in that spot seventeen and not fourteen and a half or fourteen I do like Minnesota still plus two there's some just wonky games. I don't have a good feel for a lot of these gains. But I do like I do like Cincinnati as well. I mentioned them earlier we talked about that. I do like Cincinnati. So there's those are the things I'm thinking, well, maybe he's Carolina's gonna make make an appearance. We'll see fill you know. And I think the concern I have with your Maryland play is first of all 'cause seem hill is out for Maryland. And then their top runningback tie jobs got banged up last week. And with Ohio State. There's so much focus on stopping the run as we've talked about with Maryland. If you stop the run you stop barrel and held in sixty eight yards. Michigan state to twenty six Bishen shut him down much worse than the forty two. One temple shut him down as well. I thought oh how stay played better. Now this scary. How state they give a big place. So I can see Anthony McFarland breaking off a big play. But I just think state needs to be playing better by the time they walk into Michigan. So I don't know if this is your typical Ohio State sleepwalk through it. You're thinking ahead to Michigan. They need if they walk into this current form into Michigan. They're gonna get wit next week. So I think they need to play better. I don't know if I would like Maryland plus appoints this week. I don't think they're very good. Like, that's the thing. They need to play better. You're right. I don't know if they can like I don't I think on paper they have some some horses. But I don't I only quarterback place particularly strong defenses week especially since losing Bosa like what do you make of the advanced line? I I like Michigan minus three and a half even at the horseshoe. I would take Michigan right now. There's no doubt about it. Take Michigan against most teams in the country. They're playing with legitimate revenge. You I mean they've been blown they're beaten in this series. But in. Israel. They've played pretty good. I remember the last time they came to the shoe. I think goes to overtime and the four spot they should've one maybe. Yeah. We'll. They feel they beat them. Michigan fans field. They won that game. And so that was not that was not this year's Michigan team. This year's Michigan team is the best by far harvest the field this year. So how state team is one of the weaker house teams that you've seen recently. So I would take Michigan right now, minus three and a half. We'll see well thinking going this week. But if they don't get it going this week, then you really wonder what what possible chance they have in that game. Well, I think Michigan's kind of comfortably double digits because at this. Let's call it. What it is. There's a circus right now with urban Meyer. Given the recent reports reports all throughout the season, and that's not conducive to winning. Yeah. They need to run the football better. And they need to stop giving up all these big place. And if they could do that they I mean Dwayne Haskins hitting sixty nine percent with the thirty three six ratio. So the stats are there. But you're right. He's has been overly impressive. When you want to see him impressive so far this year. But that's. Teams are able to probably drop a few guys back. More in covers with the house seats in ability to run the ball. And look it was a nice cover you, and I were both on the buckeyes. But let's be honest. If you wanna talk real talk here, they had five punts inside the six yard line for Michigan state. The punter was the MVP last week's game. So that's final score the margin was not really indicative, how close that game was in my opinion that look I is state. I liked it and the buckeyes got there. But this was all about the punter pinning inning Sparty back and the scheme could've easily gone a different way. No, I agree with you on a percent. That was my thought the second game ended or even during a game. It's like really allow states winning by that much 'cause this are dominating. And as you mentioned Christmas pinned him inside the five yard line six yard line five times. They gotta safety off of that. They got a touchdown off of that. They got a short drive off of that. So seventeen of their twenty six points were delivered basically by the punter. Yeah. Just put it in perspective. Mark dantonio was so confident in his defense with his. Dowling down one third and ten on his own one. He took an intentional safety to go down three rather than punt to a short field and basically put Ohio State and field goal position right away. Because if you safety kicked off at least he put it on the other side of feeling that confident you could stop Hieaux states offense and keep it a field goal games at a four point game. So I just it just indicative how that the game flow was going and the under got there on some live bets. It was landed thirtyish thirty one. So I. I just don't read too much in the Ohio State convincing win sort of box score fuel. Oh, definitely was not. But I will say this once again going back to the Maryland play. Michigan state held Maryland one hundred yards and gained three fifty six out of Michigan. Stay a lot better defensive Maryland has right. But that was also in thirty mph winds. So like the passing game was limited not Maryland. Michigan state game. Yes. Okay. All right. But always good catching up. Let's let's stay hot. What he say sounds good knock them dead this weekend. Once again, you're you're on quite a roll this year. We'll try we'll try. We'll it's it's a full team effort. Stop hammer time. All right. Thanks to fill for his analysis breakdown of games and straight ahead. Matt Uman's Vegas stats and information network has some plays as well where reconnect with him talk a little college hoops and also some NFL picks as well. He has to on the slate. And we'll catch John Murray after that so loaded pot here Murray's coming up as well as Matt Uman straight ahead. And now I fought from Geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to purchase the gestation. Excellent. Eat the gusto Shen exuded. And regret the gestation. Excellent. As you presented numbers to the board. Insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen exellent minutes, which are motorcycle insurance to gyco. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance now head out to Las Vegas and bring in a friend of the program, humans Vegas, stats and information network. Matt you've been on the podcast a couple times this season pre sheet the insight when it get you back on as well to college pro and even a little college hoops as well. They dog. It's back on what happened at the John Murray. Cancel me to Murray. Maria Murray's big timing, all of us, isn't he you know, he's now a director at the super book go into executive meetings and pretty soon he's going to walk past this in in a casino in a suit and not even recognize us at least acknowledge that. He knows us that can happen. My next week. Look it up very soon or is big time is of course about and he's getting quoted in the New York Post in some gambling articles. What's up with that? You know, I've quoted John Mary several times and the ad Beason. We have to deal with the New York coast. And they usually let a story for the post on Tuesdays put a lot of best pets things like that in the post and John's very very quotable. You know, there's some sports directors who are are, you know, oddsmakers if you wanna call them that are kind of dry Burs got a lot of personality. He's very sharp. I actually think in a short amount of time just being serious. He's elevating his stature in this industry. Whereas one of the more recognizable. People were the more respected. Opinions. I agree. I've known him for a long time. And you know, you wanna hang out with people that either entertain you through humor, entertain you stimulation of information or knowledge, but he's always been a dude has been very sharp. And I think he's done a great job in the ability to present that information in entertaining way on air, whether it be radio TV what not not an easy thing to do. I mean, Jimmy the Carol sets the bar very high for many decades and slowly. But surely other bookmakers across town as polished their on air delivery nice way in Murray's one of those as well. All right. You know, watching me Caros a hall of Famer, Doug, we both know him. Well, I don't think any anybody in the industry never surpass Jimmy mccarroll as a character. In a storyteller. I completely agree with you. Matt, I don't think he's just a these a hall of fame broadcaster across the board, regardless of bookmaking Jimmy is one of a kind. So let's let's come into college football. I start where we're game day is Orlando central Florida hosting Cincinnati. I was on the Bearcats last week got shoestring tackled at burn me. Phil steele. And I were talking about it earlier in the podcast. But the cincy team is strong you let the dog here. You know, I do like the dog in this game. I I said this is a game where we could see upset obviously UCF as a twenty two game win streak. So it's going to be difficult for Cincinnati to pull this off on where I look at the top surprise teams in college football, Washington state, number one Cincinnati number two fickle as phenomenal job. And he's got this team at nine in the one right now, you go back to the win at the Rose Bowl to open the season against chip Kelly in the you know, kind of an eye opener for a lot of people two ways one that UCLA was really bad, and the Cincinnati could be a pretty good. We get to this point and the member, and I actually think his team is peaking right about now. Cincinnati was right side last week. So recovered and Cincinnati, I think will be the right side this game getting seven and a half. If you will these teams, UCS weakness is obvious. In the sense of side of the football two weeks ago allow six hundred seventy yards fifty to forty victory over temple. They offense behind McKinsey, Milton averaging forty four point two point. So it's all that's not much defense. You see the Bearcats? They ran seventh in the nation in scoring defense. Vying fourteen point nine per game. They've a workhorse running back. Michael Warren is over a thousand yards seventeen touchdowns while you have to do get UCF is run the ball control the clock. Keep that off. That's off the field out of rhythm in Cincinnati. I think has a formula to make that happen and rarely Dugway talked about common coming opponents score comparisons. But it it's kind of exhibits how these teams are playing. I think right now. Cincinnati beat navy forty to nothing two weeks ago last week UCF struggle to get by AB thirty five twenty four. So I think seven and a half. Is something we're taking here with Cincinnati ESPN's pre-game show. Obviously the circus rolls into town in Orlando cranks up the hype. I think you see players kind of, you know, feel the pressure in a sense, you know, in settings like that. And you know, the Bearcats can come loose. They're the dogs, and I think Bearcats shopfloor upset that definitely can see the central Florida players playing tight in that scenario unfolding given game days in town. You like another dog this one in L A opposite coast. UCLA? I I would prefer DT are to play. But it sounds like Wilton Speights the guy which Kellyanne you like them the Bruins catching three and a half against USC. I've talked about during tops Robinson on your podcast early in the season. I like to what I think he's got to be well the better quarterbacks and tell it's the next couple of years. Chip kelly. I believe right now is going with Wilton spades Michigan transfer because he's better and quarterback doesn't make many mistakes. And he knows what he's going to get from Spain. He really doesn't know what he's going to get from DT are who has much higher ceiling wouldn't be surprised both quarterbacks play in this game knows Spain was I've thought pretty good last week. It gets state pass for three thirty five and two TV's. The Bruins were competitive in that game lost thirty one twenty eight. I was on UCLA Becky in catching a thirteen and they were with some doubles the entire way. And I thought you know, I really thought some Kelly's this team to play much better in the. Month november. We didn't see many signs of that blowout loss to Utah. Rose bowl. I think we started to see it last week in a believe we're gonna see this week. It gets USC. This is really Bruins bowl game at the Rose Bowl this week without question. Chip Kelly's to eight. It's gonna be a little bit of barest about the way this is gone kinda like Jon Gruden with the raiders. You know, if you can be to rival, you can beat US's got something you can hang your hat on it helps recruiting I think he's gonna put a lot into the game. I expect ship Kelly to come to empty the clip on the Trojans this week. And we'll see if that's enough, but clay Helton to be a Dead Man Walking here. He's seven in eighteen gets spread this past twenty five games of. So also, he's think JT Daniels over hyped freshman quarterback. He looked in over his head again last week gets that calendar fits, obviously the county. It's way way above what the UCLA defense has offer at this point. But you gotta wonder how inspired this USC team is with the sense to you know, quite held might be coaching his final couple of games here. USC? It's just it's like one of those cases of teens heading in opposite directions at UCLA three and a half. You I do vividly. Remember earlier this year when you talked about UCLA. Saying thought there'd be some good spots at the end of the year when chip Kelly is coaching in really come into full effect. I guess this here we are coming full circle on the behind the vets podcasts, another close spread Michigan state and Nebraska this game in Lincoln in the huskers catching some points. Here you like the home dog. That's a little bit surprised by this line. And I talked to a really sharp professional gambler in Vegas about this last night. He likes Nebraska in this game as well. And I said, I thought Nebraska was gonna open as a one point favorite. And he said, well, you know, the betting market just doesn't understand yet or accept how good Nebraska has become here in the past four or five weeks. And he had no hesitation reluctance toback the Brassica in the spot. You know, just based on matchups in the way these teams are playing I really liked the Brassica in this game. I'm curious that I see some, you know, why see some money coming in Michigan state side. Those concern me a little bit. But I'm gonna go ahead and play it. And if you look at the corn husker, Scott frost losses, I six games, but you can see signs that team go breakthrough. I've been betting the Brask pretty consistently on the second half of the season. Then scored thirty points or more. In five straight games top four hundred and fifty yards. Total offense and seven straight games averaging five thirty eight during that stretch, I really think when the Heisman Trophy odds Meksi's Adrian Martinez is somewhere. I, you know, thirty to fifty one fifty two one range just guessing taking fire on this guy. Scott frost turn him into Heisman candidate here in the next year or two he's got twenty two hundred yards passing. He's top fifty yards rushing and six games. You got Divino Zibo running back two hundred thirty five pound wrecking ball. He's got about thousand yards on the season. Nebraska offense, become really impressive over the past six weeks. However, Cornhuskers have won the big ten's worse. Defense's Michigan state's one the best defense in the country allow nineteen point seven points per Dame top twenty scoring defense. That makes us the, you know, another cliche class contrasting styles. Here. But that's exactly what you got. I really think Michigan state offense. Mrs LJ, Scott. You know, he was kinda like their wavy on bell of the season. He only played in four games. He's got an ankle injury. He's got a red shirt by Brian of a working veteran quarterbacks got a sore right shoulder, which like rocky Lombardi's get the start Emma Lincoln this week Bari's top, and he's kinda raw he doesn't have much experience. It's not really a precision passer. I don't think they can you know, expose about Nebraska's secondary with rocky Lombardi throwing the ball. You know, it's not a very good spot for the Spartans either. They just you know loss at home game to high of state twenty six six couldn't get any offense going. Now, you get the road. Catch a team in the Brassica that's fired up playing its best football season. And Mark dantonio even though it's only a couple of points. He is two and nine against spreading this past eleven as a road favorite. I recall talking on your podcast early in the season about playing Aaron. State as a home dog. It gets Michigan state and Tempe and dantonio was flat Mets about as a home. Favourite Nebraska gets to win here. This I really liked the way the team is playing. I'm surprised by the line. But give me the basket plus two two and a half. Yeah. You mentioned that the Nebraska defense has not been strong with this quarterback play of Sparty is just been shaky at best the injury Lewinsky and Rockies, a nice guy to watch. But he's all over the place. He's he's emotionally fired of it's fun to watch. But not exactly reliable and consistent play there. Any other college before we get to pro? I've got a lot of college games working out right now. One more I'm gonna play Indiana plus twenty eight and a half was waiting for number two pick up from twenty eight basically dog it's a spot play. We all know what? Michigan and Ohio State have on deck. Biggest game of season preach team. I think Walgreens get a lead here. Let off the gas and start working towards their trip to Columbus next week and not only that Indiana's had some success covering in the series against Michigan in recent years. I don't think get a focus Michigan team. I'll take Indiana plus twenty eight and a half with look at spot for wolverines. I'm really high on Michigan. The look ahead line of three and a half at the horseshoe over Ohio State, where do you stand on that one? Not really sure what to make of it right now tell you the truth when when the James year lines move so much to where it is. Currently that always concerns me a little bit you go back to Michigan Notre Dame open the season, right? Chris Andrews at the south point Las Vegas, puts up Notre Dame might have seven it gets all the way to Michigan minus three and what happens Dame's up fourteen nothing early wins the game. I just get a little bit concerned when you look at Ohio State. You know, the the projected Dame of the year line was buckeyes minus seven and you talking about Michigan minus three and a half. There's no bargain, they're weighing three and a half. Michigan. I love this Michigan team been talking about since the summer. But you know, you're not stealing anything here. Three and a half. With Walgreens in Columbus. Yeah. I guess playing devil's advocate the difference between this one in that week. One game was that there's actually data points of games versus just wind movement. How ratings you know, all that. I just feel like this Hieaux state team has been a circus with urban Meyer fiasco and all the headlines off the field, and they're just not very good. Not just on defense. I don't think their offense is potent as with once thought it's not and I agree with what you said. I mean, that's why Michigan is three and a half points. Right. Is why ten and a half point move. Yeah. No. I know it's it's just interesting in you know, you Murray a lot of people been on this Michigan bandwagon after that week one loss because the talent is there. The defense is certainly there and they've been just steamrolling opponents in their path. And that narrative he can't beat the rivals. We'll like that blocked punt situation from a couple years ago at Michigan state the spot on fourth down with Ohio State a couple years ago. I mean, this is not an Jim Harbaugh T guy who forgot how to coach. So it's. Remiss leading record as I think you've mentioned on the podcasts and others have in. They obviously crushed Michigan state this year. They crushed other teams. I just think they're all they're very focused and they're all business right now. Yeah. I hear you a big Michigan fan all season. I and I'm not I'm not that a Harbaugh critic necessarily. I know a lot of people just want the pylon when you lose some big games. And you're not hearing so much of that. Now, the Michigan has been a lot of those feeds and beat down Rhodes really beatdown teams like Penn State, Wisconsin, you know, Michigan state. So I can't wait to see that game next week. I think Michigan wins it. But I did not play it early in the season. And I just don't think weighing three and a half right now part rents put it that way. Fair enough. Let's go to let's go the NFL guy team you've mentioned and the guy you mentioned already in the pod is Jon Gruden and the raiders and you're looking to fade them this week. Yeah. I think I'm not gonna be alone in that regard. Either we seen this number tick up from three and a half to four. This is one game. I bet early in the week because I knew this number's going to go out and actually see four and a half at west gate now five out there on the screen and yesterday, you know, at this time there were plenty of three and a half out there the dog, I mentioned to you. This is a must lose game for the raiders. And you don't hear that term off? But that's exactly what it is. John John gruden's gonna totally strip this thing down and try to get the number one draft pick you have to get the number one draft pick. If you're gonna go through miserable type of season where you'll one fifteen or two and fourteen you cannot afford to be a team like Arizona. It's two and seven and in competition for the number one pick. It's it makes no sense to win a game like this. And you know, that's what it comes down to for me as motivation here. The raiders should have none. They have a toxic situation in their locker room right now you've got report. The veteran players are saying, you know, I don't wanna be here. I gotta get outta here. And I mean zone aside. You got a coach fighting for his job. Steve Wilks is definitely fighting for his job. He made a smart move a couple of weeks ago. He dumped offense coordinator, Mike McCoy who I always felt was way too conservative puts Byrom left which in that spot. And if you pay attention to what's left, which is done here the past couple of weeks. He's rediscovered David Johnson. He had ninety eight yards. Twenty one carries seven receptions, eighty five yards last week in that loss at K C that was eight point loss. I thought the card civil positive sides. I do not really like Josh Rosen. I think he's another Jay Cutler clone guy doesn't have a, you know, a fierce competitive drive has a, you know, I don't give a damn attitude. Yes. He does other nice arm through pretty good ball. But I'm not high on Rosa. But the point here in this game is that you're you have a franchise quarterback. So the cardinals aren't are trying to lose. They don't really care that much about the number one pick the franchise quarterback coach fighting for his job. And on the flip side you have a team that has nothing to play for needs to lose this game. And I think it makes a lot of sense delay the the short number with cards here. The only way the cardinals don't cover this. This is of Josh Rosen makes mistakes and hands it to the raiders if you look at the trends raiders for sixteen and three against the spread of their past twenty three there one nine and to pass twelve way from home. I think it's really difficult to make a case for the raiders. I agree in someone. Brought this up to me. There are seven games left of the raiders just fade them every week. And you really think they're going to cover for their final seven. I don't know. Actually, we were talking about that before they went to London and Jon Gruden made those comments about how I didn't wanna fly to London. And I. You should probably bet against this team every week the rest of the year, and you're not gonna lose. You're not gonna lose money. You know, you're gonna come out ahead because they might cover two or three games and some spots could be a fluke, but they're not gonna cover or have a winning spread record the rest of the year. And have I I'm not sure it's raiders win another game that probably will by accident cover, you know, a couple of spots. But yes, it makes more sense to bet against the waiters. And the nice thing is if they keep covering, then they'll be some market corrections. You'll get an extra point or two, and I talked about that with Alabama and the first half as well. Like if Alabama comes out flat. We'll maybe not sit it out. Let's go back to four or five weeks ago. You know, savings going to maximize the output of this team the next week. It's just it's a luxury you have when you have a coaching like that in this situation. Luxury have a team that's essentially trying to lose his dysfunctional. Yeah. We talked about it all the time. I know you talked about it with NBA teams tainting, you know, in the second half of the season, the raiders tanking and. I don't see value and taking short member was a team like that. All right now the game you like is is a dog on the Sunday night game. Why why the Vikings plus three here? In this numbers drop from three to two and a half and a lot of spots right radically Vikings. You know, you watch the screen, and you can see which way of a members headed in this game. So you had to grab three with fighting's right away. What it is for me is role reversal situation. And that you know, that's what this play comes down to for me the Vikings. Suddenly underdogs were preseason favorites to win the division. Now the cats were points on the road against the bears who just stop a ten game division losing streak. A been at the bottom of this division for a long time. All of a sudden the bears are in the favorites role on Sunday night. I like the bet against teams and spots. Like that. Also, if you Viking side before the by at one four five and Mike Zimmer made Smith just wants to have really worked. I thought they were playing much better football going into the bye. That's Sunday night losses. Saints a little deceiving. Because fumble by Adam feeling the internet game around. So you have a a Vikings team. That's one four or five only two the saints coming out of the by and much healthier. Dalvand cooks going to be on the field and Kirk cousins needs at ground of threat that you haven't had consistently the season. I think a lot of things set up here for pretty good play on the biking's close three. Yeah. That is a crazy as all-time bad beat. If you had the Vikings in the first half up three with the ball red zone final couple minutes. And then it's a fumble. And scoop and all the way down in just a brutal. Brutal swing there. All right, man. Something we've talked about a lot on the pod. Over the last years. You're. You know, experience handicapping college basketball as well. You're my go-to guy and a lot of ways on this front. So here we have Duke storming out of the gates. Look like world leaders in the opener. But there's a lot of other basketball going on. What what can we look at first of all if you like any place tonight get to that? But what else what's what are some sort of macro takeaways? We can apply moving forward. Well, it's interesting because you know, I did so much research in college hoops for the season. I read too we ribbon yearbook basically cover to cover. You got three hundred fifty one division one teams and probably done work, you know, on three hundred twenty those and I continue to do research and watch these teams read on these teams every day, you're constantly learning. You can't say that when the season tips off. Hey, I know everything because that's not the case you're learning every day throughout the season about these teams what I learned about Duke on opening night was those those freshmen as I Williamson and all four those top impressment or even better than I thought they were you know, I knew they were good. But there's better thought. So I have just my rankings obviously blow out Kentucky one eighteen eighty four. How impressive is that? I mean, it was basically looked like the Globetrotters against the Washington generals. And they're doing that to John cale Perry team come on. That's the most impress. Season opener. I've seen you know, in the past thirty some years watching college hoops, but Duke is not going to be that good every night. Obviously see don't what I open the act. I did halfway through that came. I did take Duke at five to one to win the whole thing because I knew that five to one it was gonna disappear by the next morning. I think he tweeted about that either that night or the next morning how the west immediately adjusted, you know, the future's number on do see new the five to one that's not gonna last. I still think there are teams that can give Duke run for the money here when you looked at Kansas, incredibly deep and talented Kentucky's going to get it back together by March. We'll be there watch out for Zaka killing until he is out right now the guy who made eleven straight threes in the west coast conference tournament, I think thirteen or fourteen threes in that tournament. He's out for the first two months. So conservatives gonna probably drop a couple of games. In fact, zag is gonna be in Maui next week. Doug, and I'm head now Tamale to what some games at the. Molly invitational. And looking forward to seeing zag before the season. I can talk rated number one rated number one number two and number three. I quickly just due to number one. I had to drop all the way to seven without killing Tilly. And I think if they lose a couple of games without Tilly, and you can find zags somewhere say twelve to one or you know, even something better that's worth a play on the futures board because that team that's best team. I think Mark us had obviously he reached the championship game a couple of years ago. This team is very comparable and Gonzaga is loaded and I love that team. But you know, when you're when you're working out tonight's card at last night's card, or so many, I think college basketball is the best sport talked about this a lot with Nick Bogdanovich, William Hill sports, book director who played college hoops up in Idaho. He loves about this. You look at this board every night, and they're going to be numb. They're going to be some bad numbers on the board. Because there's so many games. There has to be. To me this year. So many teams, you know, games that slip under the radar. You know, maybe oddsmakers don't know about so you and I to messages yesterday about one of those games. It was Stephen F Austin at Miami. And I was reading Stephen F Austin before the season followed its first couple of games. Obviously, the member jacks or getting away from the Brad Underwood era. They're starting to slip a little bit. And I looked at their last game. And I was like what is this Stephen F Austin played southwest assemblies of God of I didn't even know that existed. The seques assemblies of God the lions took the game to the buzzer. And Stephen F Austin won the game by one point the buzzer. You can't tell me that's not a bad sign and they go to Miami kits fourteen last night. And I got away the points by me, you know, I don't like to play big favorites. But I like that. And I said that's gotta be a mismatch. It's gonna be. Blow at Miami. And so point of the game. What about thirty five last night? So there are a lot of spots. Like college basketball board. You're not gonna hit him. All sometimes you're gonna be wrong tonight the game. I'm most looking forward to is Marquette at Indiana, really high on Indiana. The I think Archie Miller has got a team that could contend for big ten title. I really believe that Indios got one of the stronger home courts, if you do ratings and college hoops, I made the number five it's five and a half. So it's not a lot of ED's there Marquette's a better shooting team. I'm really interested in that game tonight. But no plays really jumping off the page in college hoops tonight duck. That's okay. It's good stuff. I mean, look like you said it's every night. And if you know your stuff even just one conference, you're going to catch him inefficiencies at least seved inefficiencies in the market, and it can be an ACC conference. It doesn't have to be the MAC or whatever the college basketball. That's why people love it so much, and I think. There's an element of hey of large part of the country is stuck indoors during the winter. And you wanna fire of games, and you know football comes around once a week. So we got college hoops, January February, and it's a lot of fun as well. It is. And we're going to Maui next week to watch a couple of games out there every night. College hoops. I mean, the the board is so big. And I'm sure you know throughout the season. You gotta have a lot of guests on the college basketball. It's I love it. Because there are so many games out there every night. You know, there's so many opportunities over the course of season, if you if you really studied college hoops, you know, you can't force plays. And that's always that's bad. Anything? Do you don't want to force too many? But every once in a while there's gonna be some just jump right out off at a board at you. When you look at it the night before. And that's why I love about college basketball. It is my favorite sport Tabet. So. I'm back on the podcast, man. Great talking with you to get have you back on and good luck today tonight, Maui safe travels, and we'll get you back on here sooner sooner than later. Okay. Thanks, all right. Thanks to Matt. And John Murray will join us momentarily for some picks behind the counter. But first a message from one of our sponsors holidays are near gentlemen. 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There's a lot going on around here. I can tell you guys that much, but I always have time for ESPN duck come on. I don't know it just talking about it with Matt unions on the pod you your sought after out there. A lot of radio shows a lot of platforms, and then obviously the suits want. Bend your ears. Well. True. But I did make time I talked to mad for a story. He was writing on Sunday night. So I mean, I I always make time. I always make time New York Post. I guess it's deference. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I know I mean, I always gonna make time for guys like you and Matt humans come on. Well, because it all started in a hot tub. Yeah. No, the ESPN, of course, is always a priority here and the and the guys here know that and all the executives are very appreciative of our great relationship with the SPN. How did we do last week the sharp lace four and one is that do I have that? Correct. I'm sorry. Hold on member. You'd like nine hundred. I don't think it was. I don't think it was that good. I think that there was one pushing their there was there a few losses in there. I think it was more like a five hundred type weekend. Yeah. I was looking at the wrong notes. I apologize Boise state. Got there on Friday night. I was crazy game Charlotte team that you had mentioned a lot of teams of sharp action and had been forming well against the number did not cover, but Mississippi State, you got the old middle to the house get middle there. It wasn't a great number for us where it landed. We we did. Okay. On that game. We didn't win on the first half though. The first half we lost. A course how about that twenty one zero. Yeah. State scores essentially two touchdowns. Both get notified by penalty questionable penalty. Yeah. I think actually there was a house player that did lay missus or I'm sorry bed. Mississippi State towards the end. So I don't think it was a big loss. But we're we're trying to we're trying to win. If when Alabama doesn't cover the first half has to eventually happen. No. I mean, it has to happen at now. No, it does not question for you. We had went to first-half handle start take. When did you really start get some momentum of terms of action on the first half, Alabama. It was about the second or third week of the year. Guys were starting to recognize the trend players don't like laying those huge point spreads that much. So they were just going with the first half. Instead of the game. I'm thinking Oklahoma first-half could be the play this week against Kansas. This flat spot for K U coming off that case state demoralizing loss and Sooners kind of need to get get in and get out of this game for next week. What do you think is FOX doubleheader? We get this week. We got a at the Indiana at Michigan. And then we have a ochre Kansas at Oklahoma. It's a hell of a doubleheader. They're well at least Indiana Michigan's close spread. Oh, yeah. Only four touchdowns. The the the college football card this Regan really isn't very good. It's not it's not a particularly. I think it's terrible. So many good games next week. It looks like they put all their eggs in the basket of next week's games. And this is pretty ugly. Man. There's a lot of really big point spreads. Sure. We'll get into it. But a lot of the sharper plays. I've seen have been guys taking huge numbers on some of these really big point spread games as the dog mean the dogs. Yes. Should clarify that sense. I mean, you're not gonna lay and you're not gonna you're not gonna four no laying combined, you know hundred forty points. Right. You got it like Taylor and thick so, but you know, I remember the duffle bag boy had a three team parlay this year where he was laying like cumulatively like a hundred points. I'm not sure if you remember that one that was a that was a funny one. I don't think he wanted that one by the way, I think that was a whiskey on a Friday night that did not get there. Yeah. That's good memory. I think that's exactly what it was. But we got a few pretty ugly dog. Dogs this week some really big point spreads and some of them have come down. But some of them are still pretty much in the vicinity of where these guys are betting them out. Right. Let's go through the sexy dogs that are getting a lot of points. Well, you just mentioned Oklahoma, Kansas. We can start right there. We had a guy. Good college group. They took Kansas plus thirty six and a half. I I can see what are coming from there that Oklahoma defense is brutal. Oh, yeah. They they're fortunate that they were able to get that win on Saturday against Oklahoma state. Their defense is is pretty poor. And I think it'll probably end up keeping them out of the college football playoff. Possibly possibly. I certainly couldn't blame the committee. If they pointed to that defense. It's funny everyone raves about Ohio, excuse me. Oklahoma state going for the two. And they talk about. Yeah. I love. Okay. State going for the win. It's like there was a minute to go. We could have three touchdown teen. Oh, yeah. In the final minute. Probably the game is not over there. I'm on your side for sure Oklahoma could have absolutely gone down the field and scored after that. Which is why the yeah. Which is why the analytics guy say it's not smart to go for two with a minute ago. It should only be about with thirty seconds or less in that situation. You're saying if all US timeouts goal right because the risk reward. Right. So even if you had it you don't guarantee a win like go back to the London game with Tennessee and San Diego senio LA chargers when there's only a few seconds left. Yes. Because it makes sense to go for from probabilities to situation because if you get the to you win, however with a minute to go and you go for two which is a risky. You know, we think fifty percent, but maybe with these offenses maybe tire, obviously. And but you're but the negative is like, you know, you're gonna lose right? It's an onsite kick away. But the positive is all you do is force Oklahoma to go like forty yards with a minute in two timeout. So that's why it does not make sense from a permutation standpoint than it would be. If there were like twenty seconds left in the game. Accents. That's that's very interesting. I never I hadn't considered that exact scenario. But when you say like that, it makes perfect sense. Yeah. I mean, just think about like if there was ten minutes to go, right? You don't say, okay. States going for the win. So so you have to find the, you know, the tipping point when it could be classified is going for the win. And depending on how much time outs ops ecologist different than NFL because the clock stops and on first down so things like that. And then obviously a game with these defenses for calamari to go forty yards and thirty seconds and do it in one play and with timeouts, right? That's why. So that's why didn't like it. But I liked. I don't know the concept of it being aggressive in trying to trying to win instead of just stay alive. Yeah. I mean, I I liked it. But that that definitely isn't as another take on it. That's interesting, but it was a lot of drama here. I can tell you that much. We actually had a lot of money on Oklahoma state money line if Oklahoma state at one that game outright. That would have really really hurt us interesting. All right. What other sharp plays? Well, let's start. Let's go with one tonight because I don't have much. Oh, we we had a pretty sharp group laid Ohio, minus the two points. This was on Monday. And now you see hios minus three here at the super book but against the buffalo bulls. Buffalo is nine in one. They're having an absolutely incredible year. And we've seen some sharp money come in on Ohio. But the ticket count is very slanted to buffalo right now. It's about the neighbor about four to one tickets on buffalo. I love these games, man. Because if this game was on Saturday morning at nine AM, there'd be no money in the pool. But because it's tonight, and it's on national TV. And there's nothing else to watch. There's gonna be a ton of money but on this game SUNY buffalo eight and two against the number this year. So. Here. I say a square dog. We can we classify this is a square dog. I'll say that we're according to eleven AM, we're moving towards the neighborhood of square dog. It's still a little early. I mean, but most of the money on a game. Like this will come in later in the day. People will walk into the book realize there's a game tonight. And they'll bet on it. So yeah, I mean, most of the money is going to come in as we get closer to kick off. But the early returns are square dog, right? So yeah. Wolf Blitzer about thirty five percent pre scenes report out there. And then you'll let me know exactly know out. Oh, you know, I've got you on the bat signal, and I got a Thursday night played to I got the North Texas mean green minus three against Florida Atlantic. This game is Thursday night numbers up to three and a half year at the super book. But the player best college group. I would say laid North Texas minus two three points over the lane train. Yeah. And that's a four Atlantic's been a side that we've seen sharp money on a few times this year. But this week they're going the other way. Yeah. That's great. That's gotta love the weekday action. What are you doing? I'm always looking for weekday games to give out because I know that the listeners love it too. Yeah. We are you gonna get through how you gonna get through a Wednesday night without about on a MAC football game. Yeah. I mean, it's like I instead of seven plays on Saturday. I'll take two if you give me two weekday games on different nights. Sure. Yeah. The rest of the stuff I got is all on Saturday. But here's a fun one. We had a group -ly or sorry took UMass plus forty four and then they took it again, plus forty three. So we're all the way down to forty one on that game there at Georgia. Another one of these tough SEC games this week, the SEC really putting themselves on the line a lot of tough out of conference opponents this weekend. Yeah. The citadel margin in. You mentioned you mass. You know, the head coaches. I don't I don't think Martin Whipple. Former head coach at Brown University. When I was there Mark Whipple. No, I didn't know that boomer boomer Desam stuff like honorary captain coin flip kind of stuff because he's very involved with the Brown program and then stayed in touch with Whipple. Over the years. That's cool and Whipple leave was the O CR quarterbacks. Coach for the Steelers with Big Ben when they won the Super Bowl. I think it was a QB coach. Really? Yeah. So we coach Brown then went to UMass then to the Steelers was in the NFL for a little bit. And then went to Miami. I think it was no see the hurricanes. And then now he's back to UMass is a head coach. You know, it's a tough spot. He played around. That's why as well. Tough spot for Georgia to be focused this week. They got Georgia Tech next week. Georgia Tech seven a very good year. And then obviously they've got the SEC championship game against Alabama the week after could be a college football playoff berth on the line for them if they can win both these games. So it's tough for them to stay focused with a minute, man. Come into town. Yeah. I agree with that because they're probably training for the signature offense. Georgia Tech like every practice. This this week not just next week. So I can see that. I would I would I would certainly think so you've got when you play offense. Like Georgia Tech you've got to prepare in advance. And having a let's say weaker opponent. And UMass on the schedule gives them that the ability to do just that what what else you got for us. I got bowling green. The group took plus seven there at Akron that numbers down to six and a half here at the super book more Maxon for you. But this one's on Saturday. So there won't be nearly as much money bet on it as tonight's game. I didn't realize they played MAC football. Saturdays thought it was just midway noticed. Why do they play MAC football on Saturdays? The they've got such a like a niche in the market where they play all these weekday games. You gotta go with the man. Yeah. And let's not sleep on the fun belt either. You had any of those mid week. We have any. I don't see on the on the slate. We had that one last week. I believe I know for sure. It's all MAC stuff this week. It looks like to me. All right. So you got the falcons plus seven against the zips anything a little bit more mainstream there. I'll give you one more. It's the night game. And it's a could be a bailout situation here, but it's a lot. These guys took San Diego State, plus fourteen and a half there on the road at Fresno. Both of these programs are coming off a very bad losses last weekend. Well, let's take a very bad loss. Disappointing laws Fresno state a horrific loss for San Diego State. They lost at home to UNLV. That's gotta be the worst loss that programs had in years. But this group took the aspects plus fourteen and a half this numbers down to twelve and a half year the super book. Yeah. That's that's an unacceptable loss. I believe. Yeah. I can't believe I'm blanking on the name. Who's the NFL running back shot any? Yeah. Tweet where like the emoji like something about like, very like, you know, the the the curious emoji. I think it was basically like this going on. It's an ease emojis, man. You know, I I don't understand myself. But just that is an unbelievable loss like all kidding aside. And I should never have lumped in Fresno losing at Boise state with you're saying just like demoralizing the line was twenty four in that game and UNLV wins outright on the road. And so Cal. Yeah. It's kind of unbelievable. And we did have a group. I'll give you one more. We did have a group that took UNLV plus seven they play at Hawaii on Saturday night. So that's really the honest with you now that scares me though because UNLV coming off of an enormous win last week. Now, they gotta go at Hawaii. This is essentially like their bowl game to to go back and play them. Again, makes me a little nervous. I agree. I talked about with Phil Steele earlier when we taped on the podcasts like you wanna bet Hawaii there, but they're they're pretty pretty atrocious as well. They're pretty bad. Yeah. This these guys took seven we're down to six and a half the game all of my eye on of course, is in Stillwater. Oklahoma surprised West Virginia only a five point favorite in this game. After we saw what Oklahoma state Oklahoma was last week that number got all the way up to like, Oklahoma, minus twenty two and a half. Now, West Virginia just a five point favorite on the road. I I gotta be honest as mountaineer along that makes me a little nervous going into Saturday. Yeah. It is it strange line. I don't have an opinion. They're scary one for me. And last last time West Virginia was a road favorite right in that neighbor. They were a four and a half five point favorite. They played at Iowa State. And that was the only game the mountaineers of lost this year. You know, the mountaineers you can't you have to think that in the back of their minds. They're looking ahead. They've got a game against Oklahoma next Friday night in Morgantown, if they can beat Oklahoma state that will you game. We'll be the biggest the biggest game in Morgantown in a decade. So it's a tricky spot for them. Definitely looks like a trap game for the mountaineers. All right, bud. Thank you for squeezing us in. And you're very very busy schedule. And it's a busy time of year. Now, we got a lot going on here. It's a busy time of year for all the sports book people. I think. Thanks is always. We'll talk them. All all right, man. Thanks to John Murray. Thanks to Matt. Humans. Thanks to fill steel loaded pot here. Three guests lot of college football talk. And also a little college tubes and NFL with humans. Thanks to everyone for downloading and subscribing rating, reviewing seamless, and we'll get you catch back here. Tomorrow for the NFL podcast and KYW how any confessions of a non gambler? No, good good this week, usually always stuff that possibly NFL Stephania. All right, man. We'll out we'll catch everyone back here. Tomorrow on the NFL podcast. Thanks for listening to be hind the vets you can listen and subscribe on the ESPN app. Download in listen on apple podcasts. If you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. 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CFB Week 11 Preview

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CFB Week 11 Preview

"As someone who lives in breeze college football. I can promise you that this season will bring the mayhem. You'll feel it during huge wins and heartbreaking losses on Dame winning. Dr. Drives it in post game. Fender bender. This season teaming up with AllState highlight these key moments. The let fans know mayhem can show up on game day. Imagine what can happen the rest of the week for expert advice. Call your local agent today. The game to of your money. That's how you find out. Who's all my bets for safe, which is gonna be any juice? Point spreads, the prop the teasers the parlays Vegas to you. This. He's behind the bad. Welcome into another behind the vets podcast. I'm Doug kazarian. Thanks to everyone for downloading and listening, November seventh weird cruising along here on the college football season, Alabama still undefeated big win and cover against LSU last week in death valley. And bama. Yes. Again covers the first half a perfect nine this year. We'll get into all that with Phil Steele coming up and also John Murray of the super book at the west gate in Las Vegas. Renna talk about Phil's place for this coming weekend Murray foreign one behind the counter with his sharp plays that he shared. He has a bunch this week seven I believe, and we're going to discuss that and some other macro topics for sports betting and college football. And even a little Duke hoops after last night's thrashing of Kentucky, my overreacting too much the Duke, well, the west gates already adjusting their odd the super book did so we'll see if I'm overreacting are really everyone is in the betting public, and we'll. Get into all that straight ahead here on the behind the best podcast stop hammer time, and it was definitely hammer time for Bama last weekend. You know, got a lot of people wondering whether LSU and the points at home at night was the the play. But certainly not from the start. Yeah. That is for sure I agree with you Doug last year last week Adeel radio shows, and almost every host was like boy that shoe plus the points. You're sounds good. But bam. I clearly was the better play. And at no doubt while both teams have good defenses. Only one of those teams had a good offense. How much are your power ratings adjusted after that game for Bama and even LSU to you know, not much my poverties had Alabama winning the game by I think it was nineteen. They won by twenty nine so slow to just up for Alabama and little adjustment down for LSU. But not too much. What did you make of? This line with with Clemson and Alabama eight and a half by the super book. It makes sense. You know, there's a lot of folks in in Vegas like the just bet Bama and especially after a game like that. They're going to do that. I personally would have set the line more towards seven. I think Clemson is a team that can stand up to Alabama and you look at Clemson. They've got a balanced offense NTN in the run game. And then Trevor Lawrence throwing the football and defensively me a better defense. I think up front you look at that front for you got four future. NFL guys there on the front four only allow a ninety yards per carry on the ground there holding opponents to one hundred fifty four yards below their season average, which is second best in the country. And they've they're used to the big game. So the Clemson team that I think could stand toe to toe with Alabama. I probably would make the line more towards seven interesting. Yeah. No, it's we're gonna talk about it with John Murray of the Super Bowl coming up later and just because they've already posted that line like I mentioned, but it is really interesting given how dominant Bama has looked look at look at Clemson. The last few weeks winning by fifty one points per game. The last four weeks just blowing teams out. All right, bud. Well, I made a mistake last week at the end of the podcast. Some of our loyal listeners were kind enough to point that out. You were on Texas AM, not Auburn, which is interesting because the line went from four and a half to three and a half. You got the foreign hook lands for naturally. And so my policies to those listening last week's podcast and do you. Yeah. If you watch the game pretty comfortable with that one. It's twenty four to fourteen Texas saying them, there's about five minutes thirty seconds to go on a game. And they and M's got the ball. They aren't interception. Auburn gets basically two touchdowns. And I'm actually the twenty eight to thirteen I down edge in the game. And even with auburn's too late yards for touchdowns, and I'm still Okina by a hundred forty three yards. I think AM's gotta be sort of kicking it self after blowing that big lead and and pretty much dominating the game. Yeah. Your guy here may have may have jumped on and then pick them. So. Yeah, you may have one with the spread but not everyone if they got involved in live wagering. Because I thought that was a strong play. And then it got going, and I like I said your guy here may have gotten involved. Yeah. The feel pretty good in the middle of the fourth quarter. Fortunately, they do play a full sixty minutes in I guess stuff like that happens. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. It does. It does happen. All right. So let's get into your plays this week. And let's start were the site of college game day, chestnut hill, and you like the home team. Yeah. And you know after last week you look at what happened with the the top teams the top six teams in the country five of them. Of course, we're big favorites last week and those five big favorites pretty much all covered the spread the they went four one against the spread Alabama crushed Clemson crush Georgia crushed so six of the Michigan crushed. So I think the big favorites paying an extra price this week. There's gonna be a lot of folks lineup the window. The bet the big favorites. And here, I think you have a Boston College team, that's sort of under the radar. They've got an excellent defense holding there. Phones to forty seven yards per game blow their average you look at them defensively. Personnel wise, they could even better than that. And clemson's main strengthen defenses that defensive line. But Boston College is one of the nation's best offense of lines. The only allow thirteen point thirteen sacks all year their average four point six years for carry despite the fact HA Dylan's been banged up. Miss two full games. Parts of others. Dylan should be able to play here. I like the way. Anthony Brown store on the football. It's at night. It's going to be chilly, which I think is an advantage for Boston College. And so you've got a b c team that's pretty good. And the last time Clemson traveled on the road at night. It's been a while Texas saying that week to the only one that game by two points in fact in them had eight yardage in that game. So as much as I liked Clemson love, the fact that they're balanced just think you're paying too much of a price here at the twenty four points. Go into a very good Boston College team at home and BC in their last home game at night beat Miami of Florida twenty seven to four. Eighteen and pretty much controlled that one. So this line open seventeen up to twenty. I think it's going to go a little higher. Don't you? Yes. Yeah. It's like I said all the big favorites. One last week people are relying up at the windows. The bet the big favorites this week. So I think the numbers will continue to climb. I think get if it gets to twenty one I think that's the strike price. If you wanna get a little too cute for those listening right now. I don't think over twenty one. I don't think the smart money will allow that. Yeah. And I don't think it will drop. I think it can only go up so by waiting. You're probably a good shape on that one. Because people are gonna wanna bet Alabama. They're gonna wanna bet Clemson Michigan and Georgia this week just given the high profile and platform because of game day and everything like that that that's the that's the reason I think it will stay that high. They'll be enough interest in that game. All right next next game on the board. You like the lane train. Yeah. You know, a couple of weeks back on your podcast. Doug. I picked western Kentucky SO circle the wagons game for western Kentucky at home. They were playing. I you. I if they're gonna do it. They're gonna do it in this game. And guess what? It didn't do it thirty eight to seventeen at home to f I you last week. They went on the road to middle and lost by nineteen team. That is now one in eight and said if they're gonna do it we're going to do it two weeks ago. They didn't I think that they just finish off the season in a poor note. There a team that defensively is giving up four point six yards per carry offense. They're struggling to run the football just three point six yards per carry. And they're not getting great quarterback play either. Meanwhile, Florida Atlantic if you look at them a little bit closer FAU's pretty good team losses to Oklahoma UCF which lost to by twenty one. But you see a good team middle Tennessee on the road. That's a game Florida. Atlantic could easily have one middle needed a late score. Pull out the one point win. They did get peep Marshall by twenty four. I think that gave us closer than the final. And then they lose a close one to Louisiana tech. So they've had five good opponents beat them. They're not taking on a good opponent here. And as we've seen from lane kiffin in the past years. Well, it's two years here at Florida Atlantic. If he gets a chance late in the game to add to the total. He definitely will take down a late touchdown against if I you last week to beat them by thirty two. He was an underdog going in. There is no problem. Roll that up at the end that I think when you get Devon single Terry matched up against a defense. That's given up the amount of yards. They are. In fact, they're giving up over five yards per carry on the road FAU's gonna pretty excited. They're coming into still a chance to get into a bowl. They just need to win two of their last three games to get to a bowl. She's got an excited. FAU the likes to roll it up the spreads only twenty in this one. So I'm gonna take a you. And it wouldn't concern me if you enter the fourth quarter up twenty one because you might just finish up thirty five. All right. So lane train two and seven against the spread this year, but different situation getting this western Kentucky team, which has been in a spiral here. Let's go with Cincinnati. Now. That's another team you like open twelve now thirteen and a half. Yeah. And this one is a play on Cincinnati because they actually have one of the more underrated defenses in the country when you look at their defense. They're holding opponents to a hundred fourteen yards below their season average. That's a ninth best Mark in the country. They also last year they didn't really get good quarterback play from Hayden more. They're getting good quarterback play the Desmond, redder thirteen to five ratio. And he's also run for four hundred thirty seven yards. Really impressed me last week with that forty to nothing shutout over navy and navy team. That does not get shut out. And then south Florida now way back when they were seven and always there the fakest seven oh team in the country. There's still the fakest seven and two team in the country. You know, Georgia Tech outgained about one hundred seventy six yards Illinois headed by two scores in the fourth quarter, East Carolina outplayed them every play of the game at twenty four nine. I down edge Tulsa, a by two scores in the fourth quarter. They get by lowly Connecticut by eight then it gets smacked by Houston by eleven and smack by. Two lane by twenty six last week. It's gonna be cold weather. South Florida's defense is nowhere near what's up for the defenses have been in the past or five point two yards per carry this year and offensively they're inconsistent. So I think matched up against a strong Cincinnati defense. We have a very good Cincinnati team. That's in the mix to get to the ADC title game. And I like Cincinnati the win this one by more than two touchdowns quick correction. They beat the loss to Houston might twenty one nine eleven, but yeah, I'm yeah. I'm mad at myself or not jumping on lane a week ago. That's like one of my favorite things to do as soon as the team suffers a big loss. In college football, go against in the next week power ratings have an adjusted to a team that's really emptied the tank that's why like Tennessee so much this week after facing Kentucky after that big loss to Georgia that was a huge game for the Wildcats. So I like the vol's getting six and I'm really mad at in jump onto lane last week. But your points, I really like. Where you're thinking is here in Cincinnati. Because this was not just a team that was undefeated. They were they were phoney and then finally got up to him at Houston. And then two lane was really just embarrassment to lose like that at home. Maybe they bounced back a little bit in terms of effort. But I don't think they're that good. I'm with you on Cincinnati there. Yeah. When the temperatures in the forties, you know game time, and you're from Florida it getting into second half down by a couple of scores. So on a locker room, don't you? Yeah. And also like anyone who's ever played sports? Like that. This is kind of elementary concept. But it apply, you know, you just think about the cold when you're outside and you're not used to the cold. You talk with your buddies on the sidelines of you're like man, that's cool. That's all you can think of as you're already season in condition to it. Yeah. If you're in Cincinnati, it's been pretty cold last three weeks in Ohio. So they'll be used to the temperatures. No doubt about it. All right. Think we're like you got one for me in the column there and maybe sportscenter Saturdays. Well, oh, there you go. Wow. And you go with them on in the first half. Right. I know I gotta I gotta think about this one this flat spot here. This is a real flat spot. We'll see I know. I know I didn't go with last week. Although I did lay the fourteen last week. So went with bam game. Bet didn't hurt me the one. But yeah, another two in one by the way, last fill another two in one. Yeah. Streak still out there. Doug. And you know what? To and one we go back to what we were talking about before you became Mr. three and right? And that's I'll take it to own week any any day of the year. The Gators got me, I'm still frustrated in that one that was they converted like seven thirty nine or higher and touchdowns on some of. It was just a game. They got away. But drew lock played. Well, we'll tip our cap to him there. So let's go back down your go ahead. I'm sorry go I was gonna say go ahead and give through locks employers because it's very rare when he has a big game against good defense. And he did he did actually have a good game. There throws were on the money. And you know, third and longs. Like, I said. So he did a nice job. As more of the Gators the stunk on offense to a little bit of both. But whatever it happens. Let's go with Texas. Am a team you did back last week. We alluded to earlier got got there by the hook. And you like them here in a favorite situation. Yeah. And I like him for numerous reasons here this week, Doug, you know, first of all we talk about south Florida and what a fake seven oh team. They were Texas and have maybe the best five and four team in the country by far you'll get there what they were doing. I mean, they outgained Clemson by eight yards. They also have a lost Alabama which was only by twenty two the closest game that bama's played all year. So not a bad game there either. You look at some of their other games. They outgained Arkansas one hundred twenty nine yards, but only one. Seven. They'll king Kentucky by two hundred twelve yards and interesting staffer Nick in Kentucky did not run a single play on offense from Texas them side of the field. The entire regular game in regulation. They did in overtime but not during regulation. They only had eight first downs against Texas yet somehow that thing went to overtime, South Carolina. They have one hundred fifty nine yard edge only win by three in the rain. The Mississippi State game it was a game which could easily have one. And then the Auburn game. Just watching it like you said so comfortable with that thing middle of the fourth quarter. I might have been inverted marked the w down on my sheet. Doug, and maybe that's what costs them there because Auburn came back and burn them. Then you look at all miss how do they stack up against the best teams? They've played the ice stink. That's how. Alabama. They got a touchdown on the first play. And then they just wanted to get out of the park without giving up one hundred points in that one LSU beat em forty five to sixteen Auburn which was struggling to run the football and anybody ran the ball for two hundred sixty nine yards five point eight yards per carry beat them thirty one to sixteen. So it gets the best three teams they faced and I would take Texas over Auburn, Texas LSU about the same old MRs just been rolled and it's been home for four weeks. They're excited. They're perfect four and against the spread at home this year. So I think you've got a team that can run the football ole miss giving up two hundred forty one yards on the ground five point three yards per carry. They could throw the football killing Mont against a secondary. It's giving up sixty seven percent completions. I don't think wholeness can be able to run it. And I just got one of the best run defenses in the country. And I am we'll be able to get after the QB and we've seen ole miss can be shut down by good defenses. And I'm Scott one and the final standoff throw at you and Emma's plus seventy years. For gaming SEC play. Oh, MRs minus sixty two we have two different levels of teams and yet the spreads reasonable. It's under two touchdowns. I'm taking Texas AM eleven and a half stop hammer time. I think I think you hit the nail on the head here. I think this is a Texas mtm total over as well. I think this is a you know, they gotta get to forty points, which I think they do easily in this game. I really do. I think I think they roll them. I really do. I think almost remember can't go to a bowl game this year. I just think they're gonna get rolled in this game for all the reasons you mentioned. Yeah. So a lot of and I just the minute. I've I've switched the set on AM Auburn I said while that game was close win for me, which as you mentioned some folks lost that's gonna pay me dividends the next three weeks. And I'm just gonna be underrated. Yeah. I really liked that one. All right. You have a total. And I want to throw some games that you as well. We'll get to that. After a quick word from one of our sponsors. Gyco presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Belinda Collins live on the scene of a recent hailstorm here to describe the events of football, bro. I was just hanging on the roof. When this gnarly storm starts dropping baseball sized hail. The singles got beat up a few windows broken. It was savage. Did you do anything to help? I was in survival. Your football can't help you in a hailstorm. But the guy co insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Co gyco to see how a Ford -able homeowners insurance can be all right back. The Phil still here on the hind the best podcasts affiliate covered your first four plays BC plus twenty but that line may go higher FAU minus twenty cincy, minus two touchdowns thirteen and a half ish. And then Texas am Emma, minus eleven and a half. But you have a total for us. Yeah. And it it's an interesting. Why? Now, you're familiar with the magazine. Right. Doug. Yes. Okay. So we've got this stat sheets on the right hand page and on Phil Steele. Plus, we actually color code them. Green and red green for good and read for bad. Well, illinois's rushing offense is all green all year. These guys are average in two hundred forty nine yards per game on the ground six point one yards per carry in you might not realize that. But if you found Illinois, they have got a run game that can run the football Reggie in doing a great job AJ Bush can run it. And when they play Epstein they sort of dropped him off the radar. He's averaging six point nine yards per carry. Well color coded green red. So go to that defense. Rush defense for Nebraska. I got a lot of red. They're they're giving up two hundred five yards for game on the ground five point four yards per carry. We'll Illinois be able to run the football here. Yes. And if you could run it, then you have a better shot at throwing like last week H eight Bush had eighteen at twenty five for two hundred and sixteen yards throwing the football because they ran the ball down. Minnesota's throw. Now, let's go to the flip side of the coin. Nebraska's offense running the football all green right down the board five point two years for carry Adrian Martinez dynamic runner. He's backing healthy zig bows from run the ball. Well, they're averaging over five yards per carry this year. They'll annoy defense all read. These guys are giving up six point three yards per carry on the ground two hundred eighty three yards per game in big twelve big ten play on the ground. So do you bring an extra safety to bring to safeties up to stop the Ron you're gonna give up some big plays. Both sides of the ball. I think both teams run the ball will which gives you open up the past game and two leads to a lot of big plays in this game told us reasonable for nowadays. It's like sixty seven and a half sixty eight and this one. So I think both teams going to put the points up. Once surprise me. If one of them came here that fifty point level in this one, which means the other one only has to score few times. All right. I like getting involved in the total sear people love them, especially overs. There's no reason that things shouldn't fly over the total I- looted to it earlier. I wanted to get your take on Tennessee. Plus the six against Kentucky, given the flat spot for the Wildcats. Yeah. It makes sense. It's one of those where you know, my computer's got Kentucky winning by six Tennessee has played. Well, I like the way that Tennessee played against South Carolina nearly won that game. Probably should've won that game beat off or a couple of weeks back. And when you look at Kentucky, you know, the main thing that I look at when I see Kentucky they've got the dominant run game. At least it was dominant. The only ran the ball for seventy yards against CNN. The only grand the ball for ninety one against Missouri and last week against Georgia eighty four so teams have been able to slow down running the football. Now. That's my biggest question. We'll Tennessee be able to do that Tennessee on the years giving up two hundred four yards per game on the ground five point one yards per carry. But you gotta think the intensity level off the defense won't be as high as it was in the last week. That was a big game. It's a bubble burst game as you mentioned. And the last time or the last two times went on the road. They needed a late comeback against Missouri. Remember, I looked like they were done in. In that game scored on the last play to win fifteen fourteen. And then didn't even run a play from Texas AM side of the field the entire game and regulation. So it makes sense. I'm not super high on the play. But I I can see your point there. Doug. We kind of sniffed out the Maryland situation last Saturday kind of played out that way, although we got a huge break. My defensive score fumble in the end zone touchback thing. But sporty got the w with the wind control the game. The line of scrimmage really that the turps were unable to run. So now, they're back at home at east Lansing, Ohio State coming in buckeyes lane three and a half in this top twenty matchup in the big ten thoughts on that one of these games. Now. First of all, my first thought is watch the Ohio State game last week, Doug, and I've got twelve TV's on I had to check the set about ten times before I gotta just the fact that wasn't Oregon state against Brassica who's actually Hieaux state. What the heck are you doing those stupid black uniforms? Right. They'll get that off the shelf with Ohio State. They have not been impressed first of all year. I mean, not a single game. They came around the they've got the offense. The defense is giving up big plays. Last week. They finally got the run game going you figure. They would come off a bye against week run defense. Will they run the ball here on Michigan state's a big time question? Michigan state's run defense holding the point to seventy two yards per game. Just two point five yards per carry. But will Michigan state be able to take advantage of this offense? It puts a gives up a lot of big place. 'cause I don't see a lot of big play makers for Michigan state. So that's could mean Ohio state's defense place. One of their better games. Maybe this is the game Ohio State comes out and looks like the Ohio State team. We thought they would all year they've won their last six trips here to east Lansing. I like the buckeyes to win the game. I think they're the better team to have more talent overall. I've got him winning by seven, but I won't be up. There is one of my top plays. Just because every week. I go that team played Ohio State closer than expected. Well, how he really play too many good games this season. What do you make of who's gonna play QB? It's for Sparty. 'cause Louise he's been shaky man. Lorcy hurt his shoulder, and he has really been one hundred percent and rocky Lombardi look great against Purdue two games ago. I mean threw for three hundred eighteen yards. I think Michigan state fans or secretly hoping that rocky Lombardi gets started QB he did come in off the bench for the working against Maryland. Didn't do too much the only true for eighty seven yards in the game. But you know, when you got a game like that. Like you had last week. We're Maryland can't run the football. And you know, they can't pass it. No sense. Getting crazy don't give up near sub should return for a touchdown. Like, the almost it. And you're gonna end up winning the game. So they were playing rather conservative. But it it doesn't bother me. If Lewinsky starts, or Lombardi starts, I think the Michigan state offense is going to be basically the same and Lewinsky this year has been one of the more disappointing keys out there. Remember last year over five hundred yards rushing any other twenty seven ratio. Well, this year is only got one hundred seventeen yards rushing. There's only three games left, and he's got to eight ratio. So rocky Lombardi I like what I saw him against Purdue. Hi, guys, gotta play for you. Phil. I I wanted to get your opinion on this guy because I can't say it out loud. I want you to Asheville still about this one. All right, Phil, I'm gonna preface it with there's no reasonable or logical information behind this. But I think just because I think Michigan is in the top four and they're going to play themselves in themselves out of it. I have ruckers at first I said winning the game. Then. I. Amended to covering keep in mind. Phil he's a product of the finance itution. So of rutger's. Okay. All right. Hey, had to be something like that. Because if you if you go up to the window where bet the money line on that one kyri, then I think you you're just donating to the Bank of Las Vegas. That's, but you know, I do think that what we're gonna see we've seen it in years past the corrections once the VCR or the the playoff rankings come out we see the team's not cover 'cause ever wants to play those teams in the spreads getting flooded. And after the way Michigan looked against Penn State last week. You know, they the Vegas had to put this number high enough to actually get somebody to bet on rockers in this one and the total the game is forty which is pretty high, and you know, Michigan only has Indian on deck. I don't see Rutgers necessarily scoring the scary part to me of backing workers in this game would be the high on the interceptions. They have they have four touchdown passes and seventeen. Interceptions this year if Michigan's defense scores fourteen or twenty one points in this game, you could be in trouble. But it does look like a flat spot coming off Penn stake. If they're coming off, Wisconsin, Michigan state Penn State. They're taking on a team that you know, frankly, last year I had Michigan over Rutgers at home in this game. And they were like minus twenty one and a half and they only won thirty five to fourteen they do have a better offense this year. But I don't think you're completely on your mic. Every I think what you're going to see is a lot of these big favorites this week not covering especially after they all covered last week. And then the NFL the big favorites covered. So all those lines are inflated right now. But good luck to your career at one thirty eight nothing. That's my point. Yeah. A lot a lot of teams are going to be smelling themselves. There you go. Almost as big of the game. There is Auburn Georgia almost this one ranked matchup three the hedges, you know, Auburn has very defense. And they're coming off the big win. Do we like Georgia land two touchdowns here? You know? I do when I look at Auburn high. She a team that we've talked about this in previous weeks. I've probably talked about last week. They're at their best when they can run the football and you go back to win kerryon Johnson went out last year down the stretch. They struggled to run the football and the last three games and didn't cover any of the three or the last two games. I should say Georgia. They ever GE three point seven yards per carry and UCF just two yards per carry. And then this year they've only had one game against an FBI Ponant where they've averaged over four yards per carry over four point three yards per carry. And that was ole miss and that was a game they won easily. Now, Georgia's run defense did get run on by Florida four point six LSU five point four Vanderbilt four point eight. So it's dominating. But they're getting better. They were very young at the start of the year. I think where I see Georgia. Rush defense be a lot better down the stretch, especially when the line. Can start flowing in their better. And they've got experienced now. So I do stink. I do think it's still struggles to run the football. And that means they could be in trouble defensively, you know, the dis actually giving up some yards recently four hundred twenty one yards twenty eight I Texas and I'm last week. And I like the way the Georgia offense is operate right now. In fact, auburn's giving up three point nine yards per carry in a C place. So I actually linked with Georgia at home between the hedges in this one to win it by more than two touchdowns. I want our listeners to know that I did not Franceville with these games. Now is going to ask him about. After the fact the man is just a machine. So I hope hope people realize it, obviously prepared some notes coming in for his place. But the games I'm asking about art high profile games. Yes. Except for the one at Bescot away. But fill is that big of a machine. So Phil, we appreciate all that. All that knowledge. You share you shared? Yeah. We should talk about any game in the future. Doug. We can talk about the Georgia Southern against Troy next time or. Or anything like that? Study. Go ahead that I was gonna say can we recap the big Brown? Water win over MIT on Saturday. I was tweeting about I was watching on ESPN three in my laptop with my five TV's in the background. No. I I didn't next time. You do something. Like that dog. I've always tweet the picture, my twelve TV's. I'd like to re tweet years out is that's pretty impressive. Yeah. No. I did. I did tweet it out. All see you. They're all tag you in that tweet because that'll be gonna use this weekend. Doug. Well, I told you leaning Tennessee, and I like I think of visualize Thornton melon of the top of the springboard before the triple Lindy and Rodney Dangerfield does the armpit noises and then licks his thumb, and then what's the thumb out that sort of me testing, the wind throughout the course of the week? So that's how I approach the picks on sportscenter. So I think I'm leaning Tennessee. And then know I'm kinda like in where you're headed here with NM, and even Cincinnati, I really liked those place. As well. We're going to talk to John Murray is gonna share some picks from behind the counter as well. And it's only Wednesday. I gotta get my pick for Friday. I think I'm gonna go more. I went to one last week in my column as well. I think I'm gonna step it up this week. 'cause I had a lot of other games. I like that would have hit. So that's rumbling. And I'm always, you know, look at Alabama first-half as well. Yeah. I don't forget about Alabama first half of me my advice. But all right. It was always a Doug. It's always a lot of fun. I really enjoy our Wednesday conversations. All right. Great stuff Ville pre. She ended. His always have a go on my friends who good luck to you. Thank you straight ahead. We'll catch it with John Murray who continues to dish out strong place from behind the counter. 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The last hour now he's a racing sports. Book director of the guys at work. Your call me, Mr. director and not looking directly into my eyes people brought an old new staff this year, kind of Seinfeld esque move, where we just rotate the guys to the material doesn't get stale in between a hot tub and ESPN. These back for more John Murray back here on the behind the vets podcast. How are you bud? I'm doing good. It's always a pleasure to come on. And talk college football, if you've dug NFL less of a pleasure, still, a pleasure, but not as much of one how bad was last weekend. It was pretty bad. You know, we we had a pretty good result on the Sunday night game. We had a guy that he just bet into a lot of the secondary markets. Like you bet Brady over touchdowns Rogers over touchdowns Packers team total over first half over any lost. So many of those bats and the game went under. So we saved a lot of money or one a lot of money on a Sunday night game. And then the Monday night game was huge. You've got the the titans winning outright against Dallas. Plus we did very well on the Thursday night game. So the NFL weekend as a whole actually wasn't that bad. But just looking at Sunday morning Sunday morning was a disaster. But the rest of the day. Whoa. Was okay. The rest of the weekend. Excuse me was okay. We'll talk more about that. David Purdham did a nice job reporting that historic loss. All depends on your you know, perspective historic. But also depends on the book to some books took it on the chin a lot more. I mean, it goes back to that. Rams gay. Todd Gurley falling down actually help some books and hurt others. So you can't make a consensus sort of. You know, consensus conclusion on this couple couple data points. You don't wanna do that? But I can without talking to any of my fellow bookmakers around Vata, I guessing the chiefs Browns game when poorly for all of us. Yeah. We'll get into that. In the pain. I have with pick 'em leaks. 'cause sometimes you just have to take ridiculous numbers. They might pick him ten and a half in that game. I had rounds. But I never would've. Yeah. It is what it is. All right. Let's talk college football because you've been giving out some great place from behind the counter foreign one I believe last week. Yeah. We the five plays. I mentioned last week. When we tape this show when foreign one the only loser was Colorado on Friday night, Colorado, plus three and a half at Zona. Unfortunately for me, I bet Colorado and I used Colorado in the golden nugget contest, which I'm in. So sometimes you don't pick the right ones. Doug. I use Cal to Kelly was plus eleven at Washington state. And we mentioned that on the show last week. That was a good one. But four and one overall can't complain about that. Yeah, we'll take that. That'll more than move the sticks, by the way. How are you doing that building contest? Oh, okay. Thirty five and twenty eight pretty good pretty good mostly us college play. It's a it's a cool format at seven picks a week, college and pro and I try to never use pro. I try to go all college 'cause I can't pick an NFL winter to save my life but doing good on the college. And you know, we see we we talk about this every week. But we see the the the sharper groups in these college games do pretty well. And certainly I'll follow them and see what they're playing and use that to my advantage when I'm making my picks. What like when we talk about sharp NFL players if you had a very good tweet about a dog. It's really just groups that are taking good numbers for the limit. You're lying about all your information. It's it's very accurate. And when I say sharp NFL plays. What I really mean to say is groups that I see winning on other sports are betting this in the NFL. And they're betting it for the limit. Is it sharp? I don't think. So I mean, you see the results. I mean, the the two plays. I mentioned last week were Cleveland Browns, plus eight and a half and the under in the New Orleans Saints game. And it was from groups that I see winning on college football, and I'll get into some of their college place today, but they're not winning any NFL. We all see that. It's it's tough because they have been rewarded playing the numbers game. So people have to realize that they have computer models, and basically they have output of a number, and if they see enough disparity much like we've talked about on sportscenter with the ball power index are ESPN. There's a difference between the FBI in the Vegas spread of at least five points. ESPN FBI's done really well against the point spread. But it does not factor in, you know, flat spots things like that. Or or really injuries in the NFL? They don't even factor in the NFL injury that much. So there is a art to Haney capping in my biggest beef with a lot of the sports betting Twitter folks is that they are extremely myopic. And it really bothers me that drills can come after me because. Just because I'm not an analytics school guru or number cruncher or have a computer model. Like, they are it doesn't mean that's the only way to win like there are people and I've had back in the day. There was a guy called the Italian stallion old guy. We would bring on every week. The dude would go to in one or three no every single week in the NFL. You just did. Guys, play the rocky music to sometimes some guys just pick winners. And you know, it drives them crazy. But what's so funny to me is that they come after anyone who doesn't do it their way, which is literally the definition of myopic. So like they only see their way in in. It's funny is the reverse. I don't go after a computer model guys, and there's other people who get attacked on Twitter. So there are more way more than ways gonna cat. And so I kind of get a chuckle out of the model losing on weekends. Because you know, we talked about the NFL podcast a year ago. Why people were just completely blindly betting the Browns boat, my values four two or whatever it is. Like, all right, whatever the Browns and bad coaches ways to loose. And as we see a shift in points and other things the offensive stuff like you. There's just, you know, maybe they're models need tweaking or sometimes you just go to bad run. Well, we I can tell you right now. The wise guys are going to bet the Browns again this week Browns catching four points at home against the falcons. But I try not to to did my toes into gambling Twitter. Too much, Doug. I don't want to get into any back and forth. I know you'll sometimes go back and forth with those guys. And and most of the people are very positive, and they're just trying to learn, but sort of the stuff that I that. I see some of the stuff I see in there. We had a guy. So, you know, we put up, and I'm sure we'll talk about it on this show. We put up Alabama Clemson, Alabama, minus eight and a half on on on Sunday. And we had some media guys were tweeting it out, and they tag me and a couple of tweets, and it's one guy responded and was like, oh, they're just doing that for Blissett either probably taking twenty five bucks. So the guy who had had tweeted out the the media guy. He texted us at the west gate, and we told them no, we're taking five thousand. So the guy fired back and said, no, I talked to those guys are taking. Five K on it. And then this guy on Twitter, he wouldn't back down. He's he's still fired back as if that wasn't a good limit on on a hypothetical game with no market the guy wouldn't back down like right there. That's where the guy needs to back down admit, he's wrong. Right. I mean, if we're taking five thousand that's pretty respectable. And sometimes you can't win an argument with gambling Twitter. I guess what? I'm trying to say. Because if that guy wouldn't admit that five thousand is a lot for a hypothetical game. You just can't win with these people. It's good reminds me of Michigan state against Alabama in the college football playoff game. I think was twenty four nothing. Final spread was ten. And I remember Zillow ryen russillo was doing radio that day. I think there was like outpouring of like, why is Ella? Bama favored by some. That's so stupid like all the stuff, and that certain point think. Russillo. Goes you guys can bet the ten if you think it's so wrong go bed. Plus like, if it's so crazy all these people complain, then you hold a mirror in front of their face. And then they find something else in redirect the complaints. I just I respect people more when they admit that they're wrong on stuff like when you've been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's when you kind of need to lay down and just okay, I'm wrong about that. And the funniest part of this exchange was the guy is really sharp guy. Follow him on Twitter because I respect his opinions. And he's he's in there. Arguing that five thousand is not a respectable limit for look ahead hypothetical game. It's like come on, man. I mean, he's a sharp guy. He got this one wrong. Just gotta let it go. But that's exactly why I don't I don't go back and forth with people on Twitter. You just can't win. Then you probably would take more than five cave. If certain situations from certain players, we would wrote. Yeah. You're absolutely right about that. But from foot five thousand is like the over the counter limit that we would give anybody even if it was somebody. We thought was a very sharp guy. And what the guy was saying this gentleman was saying was that five thousand ultimately will be a drop in the bucket for us on that game. And he's not wrong about that. He he's right about that. But the bottom line is you're talking about a hypothetical game that has no market on a number that three of us. Just put our heads together and made up and we're taking five times, I think that's pretty good. And I think anybody that knows this industry would tell you that that's a pretty good sized bed on something like that. Well, what's the negative like what what is this? You like, I don't like, I think if okay. So put a hypothetical of the kings playing works even how about the cabs playing the warriors again in the finals, not gonna happen. But what if you put a hypothetical line of game one fourteen and a half like one when he was doing where his criticism originated? My guess is is that a lot of books not so much in Nevada. But in global market, they put these things up, and they take very little limits on them, and they do it just for publicity and the guys absolutely right about that. He's a hundred percent spot on. And I think he thought that's what this was. But then when we told them like, no, we're taking five K. That's when he needs to back down. That's when he needs to go. Okay. I'm wrong. But he wouldn't do that. Because it's gambling Twitter and gambling Twitter is never wrong. Yeah. That's there. I also don't have an issue with some of the other stuff. Whether it be props funny, like funny prop bets like, I don't know. Like will Brian? What was his first touchdown celebration? Be. I think I think what we need to realize the the needle has shifted or the market has shifted a little bit from gambling space to newsy space. So people are sort of warming up. The concept of gambling like I have some pretty elementary tweets sometimes just basically explaining things because people are are digesting stuff. And that's why we have confessions of a non gambler for KYW at the end of the podcasts. So I think why marketing ploy to a certain extent. I also don't think it's a grievous if like ESPN acknowledges something because I think there's some part of the learning curve that's going on right now. I agree. And I do think that there are some people out there that are really smart guys that really understand sports betting, and it's unfair for them to complain when we're pointing out elementary stuff to listeners or viewers not everybody is on their level, and they should just sort of. They should realize that and they shouldn't have a problem when we go down to the the ABC's of sports betting because we're we're not only appealing to these like, top, end wise guys. We're trying to talk to everybody again myopic and in our downloads. If you're right in our downloads of increased, and I don't think they're increasing with sharp listeners. I don't think they're like the wise guys are all of a sudden going to listen to this podcast thing. It's more than obvious people dipping their toe in somebody tweeted you and I last week asking a question, and I forgot what it was. But it was very basic. And I you retweeted it with the answer. Because I think that, you know, the gentleman was so nice on Twitter saying, hey, sorry for the inconvenience which it's not just so differential, and I appreciated that. That tone, which is so rare on Twitter and just look we're all learning. This is something you, and I have been doing for a long time or at least covering immersed in it. But not everyone has and they're they're, you know, they're curious if nothing else, you probably have people out there. I'm sure you have people out there. They have regular jobs they have families. They don't have time to analyze the sports betting market twenty four hours a day. So they might not understand it as much as some of these these tough guys on gambling Twitter. Doug. I mean, I've been I've been doing this for twenty years, and I still can't pick a winner in the NFL. So I'll I'll never I'll never tease anybody for asking any question. No way. Well, even picking out winners, or at least share in the winters for college last week. One loss was Colorado. That was a tough one. I liked the buffs there after the what I thought was a flat spot. Arizona was a one point game in the fourth got away from us and quarterback for Colorado. Montas just had his opportunities through pit it just it was frustrating. But that's that's gambling. That's college football betting. I mean, you can almost you know, that you can ever really complain after college football loss. It's just we we see these things all the time and at an I just shake our head at salmon's and Ed salmon's loves to just say, it's college just have to let it go. It's a cultural bedding, very very very difficult. But it's a much more beatable market than the NFL is. And we see our sharper guys have way more success in college than pro. And that's why the picks that we've been talking about on the show of done very well this year. Well, the one that did get there was cow, plus double digits. Yeah. Against washington. Now, he got a little Washington state got a little hairy. They're your that. Fumble in the end zone. Offensive touchdown. Then ends up being a touchback for the offense. Yeah. It was a sad moment. For me. I got together with a bunch of my friends to watch the UFC gay or the sea fights on Saturday night. Everybody's scattering after the main of that was over and I stayed at the bar to watch the end of the cow, Washington state. Game because I had a little investment in it. But you know, that number got all the way down to seven and a half here. So certainly the groups that were taking ten and a half and eleven early in the week. We're certainly on the right side of the number, and I watch pretty much that whole game that was the right side. Although you're right with that without that fumble in the end zone could have been a different result. But that's college football. There's you can always point to a few plays that the changed the game. Oh, totally. And who knows still could have been a different kind of win with the spread like backdoor cover. If that happens that way. It wasn't like, you know, the only way to win that game. So how'd you guys do? Bam LSU because we. We lost out on the podcast all week. You can probably guess we did on the first half. I think we did on the first f I can't believe I got out with Money Train there. We we didn't do all the first people were laying album first half as they have done successfully. What is it nine times now? Yeah. So we we lost on the first half. But we did okay. On the game. Because there was a lot of money on LSU our largest bet on that game was a gentleman LSU, plus fourteen and a half. Now, he did get a good number. 'cause I saw that line close globally around thirteen thirteen and a half and a lot of respected books. So clearly there was money that came in late on LSU, but they were just overwhelmed by Alabama. And you know, we you and I have talked several times this year about great Alabama is offensive Lii. And based on what I saw Saturday's we've been underestimating their defense. Their defense is just never been pushed they've never been challenged. They've never had to play a full game. And I think we. Aw, just how good their defense can be on Saturday nights shutting out LSU. Yeah. It's funny. I wrote that piece for Bama, and and at the time, you know, feel month ago, or so said, it was most impressive thing. He saw season was Alabama's de shutting down ole miss after that opening play touchdown, and you could tell from saving after game. How fired up he was. He's like they wanna talk about our schedule. I'm just glad we set the tone, or you know, e rallied the troops. And he knows how to push the buttons properly ozzy's such a successful coach. But I did not understand the LSU. Like, you know, me I kind of approach it like what will I feel less dumb about like for me? It was Bammer pass. Like, I didn't think it made any sense to bet into Bama here. Like, I know the death Valley, I know the night, but is just Bama they've been so dominant for so long. I didn't see any of our sharper groups weighing in on the side in that game. But we did have probably our best college football totals group. They bet the game under fifty three. And then they bet the game again under fifty two, and they were certainly right on the money there. Although they also bet the under in the Oklahoma Texas Tech game. So we got a take the good with the bad. Now. No one's perfect. But they were certainly spot on with that Alabama LSU under L just could never get anything going -fensive Lii and they tried to kick a field goal down twenty two to nothing. Doug. That was sad. Was that eleven minutes to go. I believe so. Yeah. It's just very it's just I know I guess the the logic is they don't wanna get shut out. But I I don't I don't think that sends the right message. Well, I'm not saying they should have. But there are cases not this one. But other cases, where sometimes it affects recruiting and things like that where you have to sort of sense another layer to the game. Obviously not in the NFL, but the shutout thing does make sense sometimes not here. So he was fourth and goal from the seven or something like that. It was makeable. I don't remember exactly where the ball was. But I I just remember thinking. Wow, they forgot that kicking is for losers. Then the guy missed I mean, it's just kicking field goals is not the way to go. Well, I o Ed salmon's a beer. Because he and I worked texting about the Louisville game with Clemson. And I thought, you know, taking fortyish points was a pretty good bet in a power five game now. No, I am a beer us predict the score these at seventy five three he wasn't floor off. Clemson is closely reminds me a little bit of of the two thousand seventeen Cleveland Cavaliers, the this is a team that would win the championship and almost any season. And they just have the misfortune of peaking and doing it during the year when there's just an historically all time great team. And like I like, I think this Alabama team is the best team. I've seen since I've been in the industry in college football. But I think Clemson is also historically great. They just have the misfortune of doing it in the same years this Alabama team. And like, I know you and I talked about this that twenty seventeen Cavaliers team. They were great team. They just peaked in the same. Year that Golden State added. Kevin durant? And they're no chance of great great comparison. We definitely talked about at the time. I like how you drew from that for the Clemson. Because now that they've done the quarterback switch they're loaded, and we might dismiss him in years because we get so consumed with championships. I blame Derek jeeter. I blame Kobe Bryant. And it is what it is. But well, you know, that that that seventeen Cleveland team the Cleveland front office got a lot of grief for the team. They built their around the Bron, but that's seventeen they would've won the championship. And just about any year of the last twenty years in the NBA. And that's how I feel about this Clemson team with Lawrence a quarterback. This team would be the national champions in college football in a lot of recent seasons. Can they beat Alabama that remains to be seen? Yeah. I think that cats team would have been the first warriors championship team. Oh, I do too. I think it would have beaten just about every every team in that post Shaq. Kobe Lakers era. I think just about every team from about two thousand four and till present day. I think that that that seventeen Cleveland team was better than so it was just misfortune they they peaked in the year where the seventy three run warriors added. Kevin Durant his prime so they lost. And I think it it. It reminds me a lot of what we're seeing this year in college football with just two historically great teams. And hopefully, we get to see them play each other in Santa Clara for the championship. Because I think it'd be a great college football game. Well, let's talk about that Alabama Clemson line eight and a half. What kind of handle have you seen in terms of sharp on that hypothetical match have been for those new to the program? Like, we alluded to earlier if Clemson does not play Alabama in the championship game, everyone gets their money back. Yeah. And it's important understand that even if they somehow play each other in the college football playoff and one of the semi final games. It's still a refund. This bed is only action if they play other in the championship game in Santa Clara. Right. We started at eight and a half Alabama might. The state and a half. We did take one guy guy that we respect about a thousand dollars on Clemson plus eight and a half. That's the only significant bet we've seen so far couple small tickets on Obama. We haven't moved the number yet. I think that lines about right? I I don't I I actually made it seven and a half myself. But some of the other guys were pushing for a higher number, and I can see why Alabama just looks so good right now. And this was the morning after they just demolished LSU and that high profile game. So you can see why the number would be a little bit higher than maybe it would have been if we put up the previous weekend. Where do you think this line moves? If they I mean, I it's a cop out answer. But it's going to depend entirely on. What happens in the semi final games? Like we saw what was that two years ago? When when Clemson just destroyed Ohio State, they shut out Ohio State in the semifinal game. And then everybody that Clemson the following week against Alabama in the championship game. If Clemson let's say Clemson beats Notre Dame forty to nothing and Alabama wins by two touchdowns or some other smaller margin against Michigan or Oklahoma. That I definitely think the public will come in on Clemson. And the number will go down. It all depends on how these teams look in the semi final games. The last look the public gets at them before they play other. So you don't think it moves much between now and maybe like the conference games? I don't think. So I I don't know. I don't see where else you could go with it. I I don't see how could be anything other than somewhere between ala. Bama, minus seven and a half and Bama minus nine I think ten would be way too high because I think Clemson is that good. And I I don't think you can go down to seven either. 'cause I think I think it's seven you'd see nothing, but I'll Abam money. So where we are right now in the calendar. I I'm okay with this number being eight and a half. And I I don't see any reason to move off of that number unless we saw some significant vetting on it. We'll get into pick momentarily. I want to mention something I did tweet about I was in a group. Text with you. Am I crazy to say to is not the best quarterback in the country right now today like you'd win one game is two of the best quarterback in the country. I think he is. I would choose him over anybody. I think that it makes any quarterback look better when they're playing around a great team with great coaching that would make any that would make any player in any sport look better than he is. But I I still there's nobody I'd rather have to I think West Virginia, my guy will Greer could be the second best actually Herbert those the only three I just think he's a little green. They talked about on the broadcast. He's just a little green. That's like we're splitting hairs. We're trying to pick a few blemishes in a beauty pageant. That's all I'm saying not trying to be hot takes like he will be amazing. You will be the number one picking my eyes or at least up there. I just think like he's like you hit the nail on the head. He's looked great. Because a lot of the talent around him. That's not the only reason he's looked great. Obviously he should win the Heisman his stats are insane teams number one all that good stuff. And I've no problem. I would just splitting hairs here and saying those guys like I think if you traded him in like Cuyler Murray, I don't think that impacts the spread. And all does it. Well, I think I look at will Greer 'cause he's a fifth year senior with a lot of experience. I mean if he went in there, and he was ele- bama's quarterback. Alabama would still be the number one undefeated team in the country. But I I would argue that too has more worth to the point spread than you. You can't run the team better than he's running the team right now. I I don't know that they can be any better than this. I don't wanna take anything away from too. I think he's playing awesome. But I know what you're saying it it's not like he's so much better than these other quarterbacks that like if one of them went in for him that Alabama would not be the best team in the country. You any of those four guys you just mentioned could be the Alabama quarterback. And they'd still be the number one team in the nation. And I think the bigger stories that it's such a stark contrast to what we've typically seen from Alabama's often. That's the stories that they have this great UB in that they have this high powered offense. And it's so different than we've seen the past. Because now it goes along with all the. Other weapons that they've had typically and all these other positions. Yeah. And you can see what debo Sweeney was doing benching Bryant for Lawrence. He saw like Alabama's got a high powered offense. If we're gonna have any chance of beating them we need to be able to throw the football to the way they can now. And that's why he made that early season switch and it's paying dividends right now. And I think it's gonna give them a chance in January if they had Kelly Bryant still in their quarterback. I don't think they would have any chance of beating. Bama, I agree. We saw last year in the playoff he has limitations as a passer, and that's what savings sniffed out with a month per prepare. And obviously we saw the results. All right more with Murray and the short picks straight ahead. 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Call eight six six four four one twenty seven eleven or go to sports information traders dot com, that's eight six six four four one two seven one one or sports information, traitors dot com. Back with John Murray director and oddsmaker at the super book in Las Vegas at the west gate. All right, man. Big miata winter it'll long title Kaieda. We have enough time in the show to give my title might need to make some cuts there. But go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I was just asking you to pick the winner. Bobby? You know, what I do have some good stuff actually on the weekday games. I know the listeners live MU who doesn't like betting on a Wednesday night MAC game. Doug. I mean, come on. Does it get any better than that in college football Tuesdays better because there's not as much NBA? But that's true. Well, we had a million college as we'll get into Duke in a moment, but fire away fire way, buddy. What we we saw. We saw sharp group. Les? Northern Illinois, minus three that's games tonight. And then we saw another sharp group take Toledo plus three and a half. So there's really some sharp money on both ends of that game. That's the Wednesday night match in day night. I'll give you one on Friday night of the mountain west. We didn't see to action we had one of our sharpest college groups to Boise state, plus three they're at home against Fresno state. That's the late game Friday. That's really be a pretty high handle game that seven fifteen. Time. And there's a lot of foot traffic in the books that late on a Friday night. Everybody getting in there Saturday night there. I'm sorry there Saturday bets before they go out on the town. So there should be a lot of foot traffic in the books around the state. And I think there'll be a lot of handle on that Fresno Boise game or sharp group took Boise plus the field goal. So I've said this for many years, I think it's unfair that Boise has the Smurfs her if I may quarterback, and I'm guys moving around, and they got blue jerseys blending in with the turf, and there's d ends dropping back into covers taken the underneath rose on slant. I don't think it's fair. I really don't think it should be allowed. I think they should have to wear white jerseys, and you know, Fresno, where's red or something? That's there has to be contrast to the field color. So you have a problem if if a NFL or college team has green jerseys. I do I I think that's weird. I don't think North Texas green don't the Green Bay Packers where green jerseys most of the time. Yeah. I I don't think. It's right. I think the Smurfs turtle really messes with things. So then you're you're endorsing the Boise plus three at home pick. It sounds like. Well, the thing is I've liked Fresno all year. This. Oh, great fifty four. They've covered every game. But one first of all, let's let's call just terrific. They've had a terrific season in the mountain west. And it it's weird. Isn't it? Strange to see Boise state at home in a mountain west game, catching points like that that that is very very unusual. And it really speaks to the job. Jeff Tedford is done at Fresno state. He's done this insatiable job with that football program. I'm surprised I'm surprised. The sharps are weighing in with. What do I know? I like Fresno like the over in that game. That offense is just fire. It's high power. I can give you some Saturday plays. You might not you might like better. I I got one for you on Saturday. I I got a feeling you're not gonna go for though, that you know, that the I feel I'll give you a couple a couple of other ones. I now this was moved a lot. We had a guy that I really respect laid Missouri, minus fourteen and now that number is up to seventeen their home against Vanderbilt Missouri's coming off of a huge win on Saturday at Florida, and Missouri was aside that we saw some sharp money on last week guys. We're taking six on the Missouri. I really liked to last week to that was a really impressive performance by by Missouri. In that game. I'm not gonna say it was lucky. But there was a lot of third intense converted. I'm just gonna throw that out there by Mizzou. You know, I didn't I didn't really watch much of that game. So the truth, but I'll take your word for it. How about here's a team that we see sharp money on a lot. And we've seen it a lot this season Charlotte, Charlotte, plus fourteen and a half at Marshall. Now, we saw some sharper groups. Charlotte last week. They covered easily really on the road against the Tennessee volunteers. And we got guys coming in again this week taking them as a touchdown dog. Well, this cryptic fourteen and a half, I should say that. And now the numbers down to fourteen so they've covered four straight have the forty Niners. Yep. Six and three on the air the number and only lost by eleven we're catching twenty two in a hook last week. All right. All right. That's those are some ugly dog dog right there. I don't know show's been good at the dog. I w. Is a. Early as Rutgers plus forty that's an ugly dogs that is that something you're seeing. No, no, no. I haven't I'm not given that one out. Thoughts on Rutgers. I'm glad you brought that up Murray because I have no facts are evidence to support this at all. But I think you're merely because think Michigan is number four, and they're going to be a little how the hog and think too much themselves and they're going to sleep on my scarlet knights. We're gonna Mark in there and get that big upset. You win the game. We will win this spread. No cook. Okay. Hey, it's a hot see when dealing with what I have to deal with. Hey, take next Wednesday. We will revisit this. We will next they KAI? If Michigan wins by seventy you gotta you gotta have a recording of you picking Rutgers to win replay for next Wednesday show. I got it. So I'm not gonna let look I'm not laying forty points guys. I'm not saying that. But you know, I got Michigan is the third highest power to team in the country right now, you know, could they be looking down the line at the big Ohio State game in a few weeks. Maybe but it's hard for me to believe. Rutgers could be Michigan's defenses so good. I believe you have to score in order to win a game. Mike calculations my actually my computer models suggest you have to score. Hey win a game. Don't kill me out there people. But this is only based on hunts. I think it's more about Michigan than it is about raunchy stick with the plus forty. Let's go. Let's let's dip our towing there. Go with the forty give him a forty two forty doing. What would that game? We wouldn't we won't even do it. I mean, it would just there's no we don't even we don't even do money lines. When it goes above like, three touchdowns twenty four that would be the second biggest upset according to the point spread ever right because year ago was Howard UNLV at forty five. Yeah. I think when the Jim Harbaugh's first year at Stanford. They'd be USC p was at USC the point spread was right around that neighborhood, man. It was like forty one ish that he was in the high thirties. But yeah, high thirties. Okay. Yeah. I mean, this would be an all time upset be held a call by KAI records ones that game. But I don't think that's going to happen. Michigan too good defensively. I think to lose that game. What tell you? Let's see if they do win the game KYW we have to change that segment. Name. It will be no longer confessions of a non gambling. It'd be conflict would be sharp any other place Murray. Yeah, I got let me give you two more to more ugly dogs. We saw a group took western Kentucky plus twenty they're on the road against Florida Atlantic. And then now this numbers come back up to twenty because we had some other people laying eighteen laying nineteen but the group that I respect the most took the twenty points in this one. And we also had a guy take Georgia state, plus fourteen. They're on the road against Louisiana Lafayette yet. And that's a group. That's that's consistently done. Well in college football to Georgia state plus fourteen but I got one more for you decay and ugly dog. It's a brutal dog you might need to look away. It's Mississippi State plus twenty six on the road in Tuscaloosa against the crimson tide of Alabama. Not firsthand your stomach that one not off the world way down to twenty three and a half on that game. And that's a this group took twenty six group. That's consistently been good in college football. And it reminds me of some of the spots where we've played against Alabama earlier in the year where they got out to these huge leads. And then they took their foot off the gas in the third and fourth quarters and let the other team cover back door cover. I should say. So maybe we'll see that again. But the BULLDOGS plus twenty six was the player. Yeah. Actually think that's a strong play. Like, I'm okay with that play because sense L. It feels like those other games. Right. Alabama is coming off of the game that they'd been pointing to for weeks that LSU game. So and they basically wrapped up the SEC west with that win really Ella. Bama. These next three games are kind of meaningless unless they somehow lost two of them. Because even if they did drop one they'd still go to the SEC championship game. And if they won that game they'd be in the playoff anyway. Right. So it's really not much to motivate them the next three weeks, but it's always hard to bet against Alabama. 'cause usually down seven nothing about forty five seconds into the game. He really are. It was it was nice to see LSU hold off a little bit. You know, when you you know, when you have a big underdog and you start watching the clock like hoping for the clock to tick down and in Alabama game. It was like, oh, it's fourteen nothing. Oh my God. There's eleven and a half minutes left in the first quarter. This is going to be ugly. But I'm just giving you the sharp groups are on man. All right. So we got conflicting opinions tonight. And I you until Lido any any any group better than the other? I probably would lean more to the northern Illinois group. And that's why we still have the game minus three and a half. This the the group that that laid the three is probably our best college group, but they did have the under in the Oklahoma game. So nobody's perfect. That's for sure. All right, but really good stuff. And no plays yet on Rutgers money line huh. Not yet. But I'll be sure to be sure to send Kaya DM. I bet on the rookies money on. Senator guy out to Nevada. We'll have a new duffle bag boy a Murray real quick Duke last night in basketball with against Kentucky. What's what how do you produce the situation moving forward? These guys. Well, they just throttled since hockey, and you know, I was on the air with met Uman's yesterday. Humans very sharp college basketball guy, and he made a good case for Kentucky. And the only thing I had to say to him, man. I think it might be a little bit too easy because you know, Kentucky actually has more of a veteran team and do all freshman, so everything that was saying that perfect sense. And and then Duke just went out there and Matt's very sharp in college basketball. But you know, do just went out there and roll them incredibly impressive win. We drop them to seven to two to win the title and minus one ten to make it to the final four. I do think we need to pump the brakes a little bit though. I saw people compare them to Alabama football or to the warriors. It's only one game. But it's about as impressive as one game situation could ever be. But they're still a team of freshman moved him from plus four hundred four to one two plus three fifty you move down to the final four odds. I the highest power rated team now. I think they have to be after that. I mean, it was between them maybe Kansas Kentucky after that game. You you have to do 'cause the best team in the country. But there's a long season tough sledding in the ACC and a lot of it depends on your draw in March. So I do think we need to pump the brakes a little bit. But you couldn't help but be blown away by that performance. I was texting with Matt last night after the game. And we were both just in hall of of Duke, and their freshman talent is incredibly impressive, and it's kind of a role reversal, right? Where do 'cause all freshmen all these lottery? Picks and Kentucky had the veteran players. So it made perfect sense that Kentucky would win the first game. And and that's why it was so impressive with Duke. Did last night. I think I'm in the other camp. I think they roll I don't so Virginia's the second best team. You're telling me Virginia's methodical offense and good defensive stop these guys in transition everything Zion. Larry Johnson, Zion Williams and looks like Larry Johnson. He looked pretty good last night. No. I know. I mean, they're loaded. You have to be impressed. And sometimes you have to get ahead of the curve. We were pretty much ahead of the curve on this. Bama first-half thing when I we saw to all right? This is different. And these guys aren't like just this reminds me of the fat five and the running rebels days. Those teams run ribs that five that's sort of edged and moxie if you will. And this is jumping off the screen unless Kentucky stinks with Kentucky's elite team. Like, they usually are then good, by the way. Good luck. Making over unders on these teams specially first-half totals. I think I think Tukhy is very good. They just got they never got up off the mat do kit and with the first shot, and they just were shocked, and they never recovered. But I I'm not gonna write off Kentucky Kentucky is still a pretty young team to and they're gonna find themselves. As we go through the season. It just called basketball such a long year. And obviously the biggest difference between that and the NBA is the the one off format in tournament. Like the warriors are not gonna lose in the NBA playoffs because nobody's going to beat the warriors four times in seven games. So the warriors are gonna win the NBA championship. But in a one game scenario, I I can see any team losing college basketball. We saw that in two thousand fifteen when Kentucky Karl Anthony towns and Devon Booker, and they lost Wisconsin in the final four. Anything can happen in one game situation. So I did that there was better bet is due largely because you're getting four to one instead of like, minus two dollars. But also, I think the gap between the warriors and other teams the NBA is narrower than than do. Look. I don't know this stuff called like maybe NBA, I do the NBA. But I don't think I think the gaps that wide with Duke and others. I c I I'm gonna disagree with you. I think the gap between Golden State and the second team in the NBA is extremely wide. I don't think that there's anybody even close to the warriors. And there's no way they're gonna lose a seven game series. I I don't see how it's possible. But that's just me because well Houston is clearly taking a step back. And we we might have been a little carried away with the Celtics. I don't think anybody has anything for Golden State in the playoffs. Interesting. Maybe I'm we shall see. Yeah. No. I mean, I I'm not gonna you know, put all my eggs in one basket. I I wouldn't be shocked if the warriors start to gel like they are now already there obviously start to Joe. Yeah. I think one loss they're coming along that team is pretty competitive. Doing okay. All right. Well, good. Good chat. Good. We dived into a lot of topics. I love it. I mean. Try to go through the I'll do my best in the NFL show for for you. And for KYW passed them on. I got you. All right. But I'll talk to you guys tomorrow. All right. Sounds good. All right. That's gonna do it for this edition of the behind the bets podcast. Thank you for subscribing downloading rating and reviewing I. You got us now. Now, almost as smooth is your Rutgers money line. You know, I I learned something about you. Doug alerts about you today. That was very interesting what and I want anybody. This listening not afraid to beat a dead horse. No, not that. I want anybody. The sound of our voice right now to please in a Boise state Broncos jersey. I didn't I didn't realize you had such hate for the Smurfs turf. I love the Smurfs. I just think Boise state should wear white on this Mercer. Got it got a good point. But I I still think the jersey. Yeah, I'm okay, I back in the kellyn more days. And even before that this is the brand ski all that stuff. I want some money on Boise state over the years. Over the years. Now, I've laid some serious would not covered like, you know, everyone can't get not perfect. But I I've been a fan of playing on the Broncos. So you really like your scarlet knights? I do man I just have lunch, man. It's one of those things that you fill in the piteous. Maybe just a Homer, maybe both. So you're telling me there's a chance that's KYW's thinking Rutgers. All right. So good plays there. Phil Steele with five plays. Let's see if I get them. Right. This time BC Florida Atlantic Cincinnati, Texas AM and then the over in the Nebraska Illinois game. 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"Winning games. This time of year is a tough job that doesn't get easier when it comes to tough car repairs. Autozone. Makes it easy with their free loan tool program. Choose from over one hundred specialty tools to help you get the job done right deposit required. This is campus conversation now, here's your host, Peterborough. He's welcome in to another edition of campus conversation as we have a little history that was made back in nineteen eighty three on this day and very important to lead off the podcast with this today was the day that plink oh was brought to the prices right game. Just want to make sure that we all just pay. Certain Oman is to the game Pelinka, which is one of the greatest games of ever of all time a prices right history. I'm Peter burns. We had a lot of stuff going on today. Atom written Berg Brad Edwards? Both plink. Oh fans. Adam I was soon you are playing co fan. Yes. Or no, huge Blanco fan. And it seemed like there is a strategy that if you drop the pellet towards the side you'd have a better chance of making it in the middle. But then there's also like the cheap one. If you just if you're all the way over then you're guaranteed to get like a thousand dollars or something. Like that. But you'd have no chance at the at the ten thousand, but you wouldn't get zero either. Am I remembering that, right? Yeah. I think that's fair. I think I think I don't know if there was necessarily like a point go for dummies book Brad Edwards. But that was that was a fair strategy back in the day. I was a big fan of plink. Oh two, but it was hard to beat the mountain climber guy. First of all. Bingo on and then when he falls off the edge. That's tough to be. And it always struck me about how good Bob Barker was as a putting in the in the in the putty was man, he was he I mean, look, no one kid could sink a an eight foot putt with no break better than Bob Barker. He was solid to say the least. All right. We had a lot of stuff to get into. So let's head out of the tunnel. Time to come out of the tunnel on campus conversation well down in Miami. The new boss reminds you a little bit of the old boss. In fact, he used to park in that same parking lot as many as comes in as he head coach of the hurricanes and says, hey, guys, remember everybody. Remember, y'all got Christmas cards for me and my family. Yeah. On the offense aside, you're gone. Sorry. We see just lets everybody go. And Brad, this is I guess no shock when a head coach comes in and cleans house, but the way this whole Miami hurricanes. Head coaching situation has gone with Mark Rick abruptly retiring than many has taking the temple job and now going to Miami and fire and everybody in the offensive side. What do you make of what's happening down in in Coral Gables? Well, I don't think there's any question that was a difficult decision for Manny Diaz to fire a bunch of guys who he's been on the staff with for the last few years, but at the same time, it's very clear. The starting point here for him as you kind of reboot there at the U is to just get back to to ground zero offensively and build back up from there. And I think the best way to do that was just to clear out the whole offense of staff and start back over. And that's you know, that's what he's going to do. And I think even the guys who were on that staff have to understand the logic in doing that. They were just they were abysmal offensively. It wasn't anything that just a tweak here and there was going to solve. I think the the best plan is just to completely start over. And once again, that's what he's done. Adam. Is there any person, and as I look as the university of Tennessee is into their I believe six months part of the process of hiring an offense coordinator is there any is there any direction or or office coordinators that are still out there not necessarily for Miami. But just in general about like these are. Game changing guys for the future of college football. I felt like lane was that guy. And then he started going FAU and getting a head coaching job. And. What what direction these schools go? Now that if they don't even have one it's many years was pretty specific that he had some finalists involved that there was tremendous interest in the offense coordinator job. And you know, this is not surprising. Just two two brads point that the staff was cleaned out on that side. And while we have not heard we haven't heard from Mark richt in in detail. But I think when we do the world be some, you know, reference to the fact that he was going to have to make probably the same change on the offensive side. He just couldn't go forward with that same offensive staff after the struggles, especially the quarterback spot which had been coached by Rick son. And he that was a huge factor in his decision to retire right now. Because he I don't think he wanted to be the one to have to fire his son. So with many D as I think there are available options are still are some for Tennessee as well they've exhausted quite a few of their candidates throughout this process. You Mike, you're such a guy that they talked to several times at Tennessee. He knew he ends up at Ohio State, the Oklahoma state. Oh, see is now on the Buckeye staff is a quarterback coach and passing game coordinator. But his Steve Sarkisian is available was let go with the falcons. He may be the option at Tennessee. I've heard Larry fedora name is involved in Miami. He's one of those three finalists. I think there's some coaches that are still working right now. If you think about it. I mean, Jeff, Scott and Tony Elliott their co coordinators at Clemson. But maybe you give one of them the option to be the man to be the clear one number one play collar. I don't know if that's enough to get them away. But with the right amount of money. Maybe it is. And that could be an option for a school like Miami. It could be option for a school like Oklahoma state. So I there still are quite a few guys out there who may be that. We're not thinking about or that we're thinking not thinking you are great game changing coordinators, but I think that there are still some options available. You know, what's interesting guys to and we're going to break down the national championship game top to bottom and Phil Steele's going to join us here in about twenty minutes here on this podcast. But. You know, we start to see that with the NFL game a lot. I mean, look at cliff Kingsbury and the interest that they have of the Southern Cal offense coordinator, and he meant any coach game by the time that this podcast is out. If he gets the jets or cardinals job, which he's rumored to be interviewing four, I wonder at that point is it harder and harder to land. Some of these sees now because there are going to be not only different college programs, Brad. But now NFL programs that are looking into this and go, you know, what? Why don't why don't we try to bring this in? What if it works for Patrick Mahomes, and it worked for Sean McVeigh and his work in for Lamar Jackson to bring more of a collegiate game to the NFL level. Now, these college programs even have a harder time luring an OC to kind of a fledgling offense. When the NFL sorta get involved as well. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. You know, it's all supply and demand. Right. And if the demand is increased for some of these guys, which you know as you point out in previous years, especially the guys who run more of the spread systems. There was no demand for them outside of college football. And now you're starting to see more of that. So yeah, there's competition. And you know, what's crazy about that? Is it could actually escalate coordinator salaries, even more the college level? I mean, we've already reached them insane numbers with with guys making in the two million dollar range to be a coordinator. But if the NFL starts upping the ante on their end. And you've got to pay more to be able to hold onto these guys. Keep them from from bolting who knows where the semi it's already just insane on the head coaching side and the coordinator level could eat kit even higher paid than it already. Is we talk about the rich getting richer, and that's one of the concerns. I do have not that Alabama. Clemson four is bad for the game of college football. But I look and overall and think hey, the elite upper class that one percent. Are we going to get to a point where hey, listen, there's only ten schools every year that can afford a two and a half million dollar coordinator, you know, in a five or six seven billion dollar a year head coach, and you're pricing out the middle class of college football. But that's a podcast for a whole complete different discussion. Real quick ceasefire. You're told me the reason why he wanted to go to the NFL back in the day and go coach the Redskins was frankly, college football wasn't paying that much. And he could just get a boondoggle amount of money to go into the NFL and try it. And now, you see Lincoln Riley going. Why would I? Do that. When I've got a great thing. I can make a jillion dollars coaching college football. And this sport that I love, and I can make as just as much if not more and have a whole lot more job security two guys that have a lot of job security. I would say Dabo Sweeney and Nick Sabin atom. We start looking into this matchup cleansing Alabama third time for a title feels like guardian ward of college football. What's the biggest question, Mark? You have going into Monday night. I think it's the one that I came away from last year's matchup, and that was can clemson's offensive line handle Alabama's defensive front because they couldn't last year. They were pushed around in that game. Clemson's defense came to play in the Sugar Bowl and the semi-final last year, but the offensive line gave Kelly Bryant, no chance and Kelly. Bryant wasn't doing a whole lot. Either to be a difference maker in the game. We know the Trevor Lawrence if given time. Time he's going to make plays and I think Oklahoma provided a little bit of a blueprint in the second half for for what clubs and could do but Oklahoma has an elite offense of line. I am still not sold on clemson's offensive line against this Alabama defensive front led by Quin Williams and featuring other guys in there as well. So that if they cannot hold up it's going to be a long night. I think for for Clemson because you just know that Alabama's going to score they're not going to score fifty points. I think clemson's defense was outstanding against Notre Dame and comes into this game with a lot of confidence. But if you can't protect Trevor Lawrence a freshman quarterback in this type of stage against this type of opponent. I I don't think they're gonna win the game. I will second what Adam said there. And here's a little perspective for that. If you look at at Trevor Lawrence and just how impressive he's been as a true freshman, one of the things that jumps out is just how savvy he is at reading a defense, pre snap and ident-. Defying a blitz. He's among other numbers that he has a really good against the blitz that you have completion percentage that that ranks fourteenth nationally for a true freshman have the fourteenth desk. Completion percentage against the blitz is phenomenal. But there's always a bite, right? Here's the but. Against pressure. When he is not blitz. In other words, when you don't necessarily see it coming. That's the thing with the blitz. Like, you, you know, you're going to get pressure. You can see where it's coming from. You have an idea of approximately how long you can hold onto the ball waiting for that receiver to come open. And when you got to get rid of it. The trouble is when you're getting pressure when you don't know that it's coming in those situations. Trevor Lawrence's completion percentage ranks one hundred twelfth in the nation in Alabama as a defense is number one at pressure rate without blitzing, and Quentin Williams is a big reason for that. Look, you mentioned Adam I mean, Oklahoma is probably the best offensive line in college football. And I they creed Humphry is one of the best centers in college football. Even though he's a freshman, Gwen and Williams eight him for lunch. Yeah. Then he was constantly just shooting through their into the backfield. And the only thing that saved them is that Keiler Murray is one of the greatest athletes to ever play. A quarterback in college football, and he was able to use that lateral quickness. A lot of times to avait that rush. Trevor Lawrence is a good athlete. I don't want to suggest that he's not we we we know he can run more than people give him credit for. But when you get that pressure right up the middle. It's right in your face. That's the toughest pressure to dodge. And it's also the most difficult pressure to throw under because you you've got a hand kind of right in your in your line of vision. And so that to me I agree with Adam is the key to this game is Clinton's ability to protect Trevor Lawrence because nothing they did against Notre Dame. Inspired a lot of confidence that they're going to be able to establish the run. I mean outside of that setting was a sixty two yard by by in the second half. They never really got the running game going against the Irish and Alabama will be even tougher to get that done. Again. I think it definitely comes down to Trevor Lawrence and his ability to make plays down the field. If he has time I go back and look at some of the dominant defensive lineman that I've ever had an opportunity to watch. The names that come up with Glenn Dorsey in Dhamma can sue about guys that just disrupted the game. I don't know. If what Quinton Williams has done over the last probably seven weeks of the season that he played that I've ever seen anybody do something along that level. I I mean, I mean, can you guys think of a of a defensive lineman who has changed just the parameter of of the pocket as much as one guy has Quinton Williams? I zu is really the only guy that really came to mind integrate comparison, Peter because and I think if Alabama didn't have to and he didn't have this exciting offense and they had to win games. Like they used to have to win games. We would be talking so much more about Clinton Williams in that same vein of Donald in that conversation that we had during his Heisman year where he was in the in the mix for the Heisman. So I think that's a great point. And this is a guy that came out of nowhere, essentially, we weren't talking about him at all in last year's playoff. It was it was a rate. On davis. And and you other guys that were that were getting the the hype, and then you know, ever since that LSU game. I don't think there's been a defensive player who who's who's performing a higher level. Could certainly debate. Josh Allen Kentucky, and there's a other guys out there. But I I don't think anyone on that side of the ball has been better than Clinton Williams in the second half of the season. It's almost been the equivalent of Dwayne Haskins on the offensive side that if you just gave a high spin for maybe the the second half or the last four or five games, you might go. Join Askins on offense and Clinton Williams on defense. Well, I would imagine both of those aren't going to be too upset about the Heisman because you know, at the end of the day. They're going to be making a whole lot of money. Come in a couple of months when they're going to be probably projected both top five picks bread. Let me ask you when we start looking at Clemson as a whole, I I have said that I think all year long. They were in a perfect spot because they fell underneath the radar like there is dominant. His teams I've ever seen. At zero publicity. And the reason why I said that is because we were all talking about Ojo state, and what was going on with open Meyer Cuyler Murray and Oklahoma or two and offense and Notre Dame making a run this year. But at the same time Clemson was dominant. But I'm not sure how much that they were tested all season long, even even against the team. And I think that was frankly, very good and Notre Dame this year in the semi-final. Is there something to be made about that that Clemson hasn't been kind of quote unquote, battle-tested because he ACC was so weak this year. Yeah. I don't think I could go there as far as their defense in question. Whether their defense is is as good as their numbers indicate because we've seen that defense over the course of several years now, we know how good those guys are. And they are what they are. I mean, so I don't think there's anything about that that might be smoke and mirrors and at the same time on offense. We know that Trevor Lawrence has amazing physical talent. We know how good each yen is. We know how talented as receivers are once again, though, we come back to the offensive line. And here's the big thing because they have not at any point this season based defensive line anywhere close to his good as Alabama's and I think you could say the same thing for Oklahoma going into the semi-final they had not faced defensive front anywhere close to Alabama's and is good as Oklahoma's line. And as good as their whole offense. Is it took them a full quarter to be able to adapt to the difference in that talent level that they were going up against they struggled, obviously, the first three possessions. And then they figured it out. And they never punted again. After that. I think I think there's going to be an acclimation period for Clemson here because this is a different animal that they're facing. And the question is can they afford to struggle early. And the the other part is this. I'm not sure that they will regain their footing the way Okla. Homa did Oklahoma was good enough on offense that once they kind of got used to the speed and the size and everything of Alabama. They were able to start making plays. I don't know that Clemson would ever be able to recover the point. Where all of a sudden they start successfully blocking Alabama. They struggled for four quarters. I talked to people in within the Oklahoma program after that that loss to Alabama in a set. Basically what happened, you know, in the in the guys told me to for guys says we got punched in the mouth and those guys as much as you see Alabama on film. And you're think you're ready for them. I don't I don't think, you know. Now, Clemson, obviously knows they have seen them in years past. So there's a lot of guys that have been back that have been in seen that before. But then again after a month off, it's it's a little different. And that's a situation where it's almost like clemson's, I think in a good spot at least half. Played a game last week to get kind of the rust off a little bit because let's be honest the first quarter for both Notre Dame and Clinton Adam were it was pretty rough. I joked around on Twitter saying we need five quarters for the first semi final game. Because it takes both teams to get a about a full quarter to get the rust off. I think that that actually helps them a little bit more. They had they had to face just know a month off at than in Alabama squad. I think this game we've seen it has just been a better played game Chris per game. And I heard Pat FitzGerald on the radio here in Chicago today talking about how the first game of the season and your bowl game. There's a speed adjustment. That has to be made, and it often leads to that his sloppiness and so two brads point. Yeah, they can't make a comeback like Oklahoma. But they're also not going to be down. I don't think as big and as quickly as Oklahoma was. Yeah. Semi-final because they're too good defensively. And I you guys I was really impressed with Clemson secondary against Notre Dame. I thought Notre Dame would be able to attack them. A little bit more like South Carolina did like Syracuse did at times down the field with their wide receivers you and you and talking to people on the Notre Dame staff. They went for wide to try to create a little bit different look for for in book. And then for Clemson, and it just didn't work, and they never really got into any sort of rhythm. So I I do wonder if we're undervaluing yo we're not undervaluing the defensive line. We know this is one of the great groups of all time at Clemson. But the back end is a group that I had question marks about. And I think that they've at least it gets Notre Dame they answered it. Now, they'll certainly be pushed more by the speed of Alabama's receivers in the scheme and everything that to does in the RPO game. But I think we we we we shouldn't completely shortchange clemson's ability to keep the score you'll low enough so that they can be in this game and the fourth quarter before before we segue into the Alabama offense against the Clemson defense is the last point on the other. Other side of the ball is is that I think it is important the impact that that not having Christian Miller will have on the Alabama defense it or if he's not there, and I'm assuming he won't be because that's a hamstring poll for a guy who speed is very important to the way that he plays. And you're talking about nine days before the game. I just doesn't seem to me that it'd be reasonable for him to be out there. And if he even is for him to be able to play at the same level that we're used to seeing him, but he is in theory their best Pash rusher. And so all these things that we talked about previously with Clemson. Can they block Alabama a little bit of that will be easier for Clemson have Christian? Miller's not out there or if he is out there, but isn't close to a hundred percent. And then then again, it'll probably be Jamie Moseley. The the Richard senior linebacker who will take the place or at least he did in the semi-final game. But that there goes back to your full circle point of Quinton. Adams and Alabama able to get a pass rush without showing a blitz which allows their secondary to sit back a little bit and play a little bit more conservatively because they get that front push now spinning afford like you did Brad and talking to the other side of the ball that Clemson secondary gave up what four hundred and thirty yards passing to Kellen mon- five hundred yards. Jake bentley. But you said look better against the in book. Dexter lawrence. Not being out didn't seem to hurt the team against Notre Dame. Adam how big of the loss is it now against his Alabama offense at has been off the charts. Good so far. Yeah. It's it's bigger lots because of Alabama's run game and the options that they can attack you with at that position. I mean Notre Dame. I think I got up as much as it could out of this particular offense, but they were not deep or explosive at running back like Alabama is. And that's I think we're gonna miss that space eater that Dexter Lawrence gives you in the middle of the line-out. I think Huggins played really well against Notre Dame and certainly could do that again in this game against Alabama. But I just think not having Dexter Lawrence out. There changes a little bit of what Christopher Wilkins can do. Because I think he's going to have to be more it to to the run game, which may be fine. But you certainly want that other guy in there too. To help with with with trying to stop the run because it it just very very difficult with with all those options, plus the quarterback who makes it so difficult to know what he's doing because he was talking to coordinators in the SEC. They just said that the way the two runs the RPO everything is is so late for a defense. There's some little that you can decipher before the snap when he's out there versus other guys where you can kind of see the tells and that's just not president with to. And so it just it's going to be a tremendous loan burden on this Clemson defensive line. But that's the great thing about this game. This is the game. They came back to play. There's no other reason why Kristen Wilkins is still there or Cleveland Farrell is still there they came back to beat Alabama in the national championship game. And so I think we're gonna get, you know, their absolute best effort, which is exciting. Yeah. And I gotta be honest with you. I think in talking to people close to the Alabama program this week that was about the perfect one that could have had against Oklahoma. They got. Off to a quick start. They looked incredibly sloppy. And the reason why I say it was the best way for them Savin had absolute jet fuel to go into the Alabama football visibilities and breakdown tape about some of the breakdowns. They had they had to buy new headsets. I mean, this was coaches like sloppy winds secretly because they're able to go in and take a look at the film and say he could have been so much better. And I think we are up for another one of the ages Brad before we get into having Phil still and get his thoughts on this thing. Where does where does Clemson have the advantage? I because I'm looking at quarterback. I don't know. I don't know if I see one running back, it's Alabama wide receiver. It's alabama. Where is there a position group or theme in this game, which you can definitively say this is where Clemson can make? Well, I think it'd be foolish not to recognize clemson's defensive front even without Dexter Lawrence is is still better than Alabama's offensive line. Or at least I believe it is. But it's not as much better as it is every other game clemson's trotted out there. And I think that's the big difference in. That's whereas Adam says not having Dexter Lawrenson. They're all of a sudden, you know, reduces that level to which Clemson is superior to Alabama upfront, and certainly I would expect Alabama to make its fair share plays a lot more than anyone especially in the running game. You know, a lot more than than anyone has made against Clemson to this point. And that's where I think it is. So significant that Alabama's offense has changed from what it was in recent years. This is the first time under Sabin that Alabama is a pass first team. This is a pass to set up the run team and in the last couple of meetings against Clemson Alabama, especially two years ago. After Bo Scarbrough went out with an injury. Alabama struggled to run they were not able to throw the ball down the field last year. They really weren't able to do either. It was just that their defense played. So well, it wasn't ever an issue, but this year, even if Alabama is not able to run again on Clemson. I don't think it's as big of a problem just because of the strength of that passing game. And and the fact that they are able to not just throw the ball but throw the ball with so many options to so many different parts of the field. It's gonna put a lot more stress on that Clemson defense than anyone else who's played them. So far this season has been able to the only other matchup. I would go to is clemson's wide receivers Alabama their top six defensive backs from from when they met Clemson last year. Five of them are now in the NFL Yanti Thompson, the safety is the only one who's back. So you got five other guys around him much less experience. And while Clemson is very young at receiver. It's not like they haven't experienced advantage. But I think they are so good there. They're going to win more battles in. They're gonna lose going against that secondary. Once again, though, we come back to that question hand, Clemson blocked, Alabama well enough for it to matter, and that is a million dollar question. And also the other thing too, the build of on that the other the other issue that I see that Alabama has that Clemson doesn't especial teams for that is how in advantage. I mean, how can it not be an advantage over Alabama special teams like it's shocking to me? And I think maybe like we always talked about Alabama gets the play like gets all the calls in games. I do firmly believe that that referees are intimidated by Nick Sabin. And I started thinking about that going. We'll move. They don't call it just because it's Nick Sabin on the sideline like that. I know I'm supposed to do my job. But by gosh, I got Nick Sabin yelling at me. That's just human element. I'm gonna get upset. I wonder if that if that affects the Phil goal kicking at Alabama that you're so deathly afraid of missing something for Nick Sabin. It's like a putter knowing you can't miss a three foot or in the you just Yip them all day long. Like that. That's got to be a concern. If this game gets close for for the time. I I've I've heard from as coaches in years now that that's the weakness Clemson to maybe a smaller weakness in Alabama's and you're absolutely right. Alabama's not been. Is exceptional in the kicking game. But I also saw Boston College take one back on Clemson in the game. Those are only points in that in that particular game. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see if it comes down to that. Because is certainly not the strength of either team. I it just hasn't been for whatever reason, I'm sure it drives both coaches a little bit nuts, but is not been an emphasis pointed Clemson either. Even though this run has been so amazing for them. Yeah. Adam if you look at our metrics boat teams are really bad and special and it's surprising, considering how many great athletes, they have certainly for Alabama. The kicking is still a problem. It's been really more an issue with extra points than field goals so far this year. And that's something obviously to keep an eye on and a game that could potentially be really close. But the other thing I'll throw out there for Alabama, which which I think is the worst part of their special teams this year is the punning then we're used to them being one of the best. Four years, but this year, it is horrendous they are dead last in the nation in yards per punt. Now, the only silver lining there is that they only had hunting is bad. Yes. And first of all, yeah, they rarely happen to put in a second. Is that these are so short that they rarely get returned. Right. So the net is still really bad. But it's not as bad as it could be if they were giving up returns, but it is something to keep an eye on just because you would think Alabama is going to be forced to punt more in this game than they have been all season in every time that punter has to try onto the field. I mean most teams you're looking at like maybe a forty yard exchange in the field position. Alabama's lucky if they get thirty. Well, the good news is the punter as well rested. He hasn't been used a lot and that is a credit to Davos waiting for building his program. Exactly. Like Nick saban's program. We're going to be good at every single other position other than special teams in that group. We got Phil Steele coming up momentarily. But right now, it's crunch time. I'm in college football land winning games. This time of year is a tough job one. That's not getting easier anytime soon, but when it comes to tough jobs in the garage, autozone. Makes it easy with a free loan tool program. 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And they went on get some shaving cream hair, just making sure, but I'm at five hundred seven points. You kidding me? I had five hundred ten unbelievable, and I'm lying to you. I only had four hundred sixty seven so the. I was so quote. You know, what's so funny? As before we had you on the podcast, Brad and atom like the first thing that they want to talk about Alabama. Clemson the first thing they go how many points, did you get is still going to have to shave his mustache. And you should have heard the level of disappointment in their voice in me. Like, I let the entire campus conversation podcast crew down fill by losing to you in the bowl com. It's not the first time. You did Peter time it won't be the last time either. Almost the same as my level of relief theater. America's believe because we want to know you as the moustached one. It's been a hell of a season for good and bad. Let's get into this. I what what really impressed you about the twenty eighteen season. Now's you look at it. As a whole. You know, look at it two thousand eighteen here's my mic takes from it this year. First of all everybody expected Chuck coming into the year. It was pretty much a disappointment. And a lot of my summer radio shows whenever asked me who I think's to be in the title game. I said Alabama. Clemson they were looking for something different in here. It is it turned out to be chock, Alabama, Clemson or their second thing is veteran quarterbacks. Who cares all four playoff teams basically at first year starting quarterbacks even if they had returnees lost their job. So all four guys starting in the playoffs this year, we're in their first roles starter for that team. So I think that shows that you know, teams are capable of replacing starting quarterback something that really hadn't been the case for years. And then just a couple of quick takes from some of the coaches, I talked to Matt rule of Baylor. When I hung up the phone with him. The last thing he said was we're gonna make a bowl game this year. And I was like, yeah. Right. And then they turn out not only to get to a bowl, but to win it. And then say. With Nick relevant. You'll y after going over the team with them and all the defections. They had I expected to losing season eight wins for Nick role of it. So I thought that those are two coaches that I thought that incredible jobs not gonna get a lot of publicity 'cause it's Baylor in why? But they did great. How about Jonathan Taylor? Probably the quietest two thousand yard season anyone's ever had and you speak about turnovers. I have an article in the magazine. But right now will be twenty fifth year turnovers equals turnaround, Georgia Southern sitting NCW record this year. Only five turnovers all year, not coincidentally. They went from ten losses to ten wins. In the final thought everybody talks about expanding the playoffs hack. You know, you look at this year the teams in question, should it. Be Oklahoma Notre Dame, Georgia UCF, Ohio State. Nobody really impressed me a bowl season that teams who wanted to get in God in why have more games this year when it was just going to be Alabama Clemson meeting in the finals anyway. So this year, the BCS probably. Would have been a better methods. Yeah. It's as painful as it is for me to MIT that that's probably true, Phil. I don't love to park questions about. I'm gonna ask you because I want to get here. Perspective on this as someone who watches all the bowl games. Number one. How much do we extrapolate from the bowl performance of a conference to this conference is good or this conference as mediocre or this conference is bad? And then the second part of the question is now that you've seen. I mean, I don't really think you can make judgment on either the ACC or the SEC based on the championship game because these two teams are in a class of their own. But what type of judgments have you made on the conferences if any coming out of the bowl season? Yeah. And atom I do put weight into it each year. And let's face it. You have to wait in the non conference games. You have for waiting in the bulls. It's the only time the conference play each other. So it's something where I think at the end of the season when I'm looking to rate my toughest conference. I probably put about thirty percent of that into how the teams fared and balls, isn't example last year, the big ten did extremely well. In bowl games, the Pac twelve fared miserably in the bowl games. And I think most folks would have had the big ten towards the top and the Pac twelve at the bottom as far as this year coming in the last couple of years, the SEC has been challenged as best conference. But I still think when you look at the overall the non conference records in the during the season, despite the fact that wasn't an overwhelming bowl season for him. I still think the SEC came out number one this year. Phil let me be the negative guy. Here you you mentioned earlier some of the pleasant surprises even some off the radar like Baylor in Hawaii. What teams or just what? Situations in general were most disappointing to you based on preseason expectations. Well, you definitely have to go with a team like, you know, Miami of Florida which was in the top ten at the start of the year. And I think it was so disappointing that, you know, Mark richt just through tolin at the end of the season. Just it it had to be one of those seasons where he came in the year with high expectations and didn't come anywhere near what they thought. They would I think even you know, you take a look at a team like Boise state, for example. They were a team that was expected to be perhaps that challenger for the non BCS. They didn't make it in their lost. A couple of games did finish off the your well. But USC, Florida state all my goodness. You talk about disasters both teams finishing with losing records this year. So I think those teams would be clearly among the biggest disappointments I think to when I add to that list. Brad. I'll be negative Nancy here lane kiffin second year at FAU kinda wanted to see. All right. So he's going to use this naturally. They're going to get you know, eight nine wins. Whereas. Are you going to take off to next year that didn't happen? And also Mississippi State I thought that that team was going to be loaded this year fill in they just struggled. You know? I mean, we were wondering Joe Moorhead was going to bring kind of that trace McSorley magic to Nick FitzGerald, and it never really played in came into fruition. Down in starkville. It didn't happen offense. Defensively they were among the elite defenses in college football this year. But as you talked on if you have one of those elite defenses, you expect a few more wins than what the chief. So I would agree with you there. Peter, I feel let's kind of look at all, you know, last question here as we look at all of bowl season. Now that it's in you've seen pretty much every single play your wrote about it. You've you've breaking it all down. What what do you take away most about who really gained the most? And what what teams look that most impressive spending it into twenty nineteen yen, Dan, taking a look at some of the most impressive performances to me this year. I start off with. The Minnesota golden gophers. You know? I thought the end of the season that went over Wisconsin might have been a barrage. They're taking Georgia Tech Paul Johnson's final game. And yet Minnesota dominated and down to their third string running back basically Muhammad Ebraham he ran for two hundred twenty four yards. So I was very impressed with what Minnesota did not about Dave Aranda the defensive coordinator for LSU. He's missing eat starters. And they held UCF to two hundred and fifty yards which is two hundred ninety five yards below their season. Average in fact, UCF at a ninety three or interception return for a touchdown. Eight zero yard drive after a fumble. Upon for field goal at thirty two year. Touchdown pass with four seconds left in the half. And then trailing by sixteen. Got a touchdown with two twenty four left and remarkable job by Dave Aranda? I was impressed with vivo and Sam Allender both showing some toughness protector and go trying to stop on the Georgia bulldog and Ellen's your, wow that guy is a beast that running at quarterback and and also can throw the football. Well, how about for? Jinyan defense. You talk about spin ahead into next year. Peter Virginia's defense shut out South Carolina for the first time since two thousand and six and this is same South Carolina that put up six hundred yards on Clemson including five hundred ten yards passing. They had twenty nine I down against Clemson for genius held them to twelve Jake. Bentley was just seventeen at thirty nine that game. David Shaw for Stanford. Did it again in the bowl game? He's without Bryce love Trent Irwin cadence. Smith Walker little room and made her big five offense of starters. They total two hundred eight yards. You look at the scoreboard. At the end of the game. Stanford's got the win. It speaks about the head coaching that somebody oppressive individual performances Keyshawn. Bon Vanderbilt even in a losing effort two hundred forty three yards. Jalen Ferguson, Sydney NCWA career sack record with forty five. Also mentioned his teammate Willie Baker at four sex in that game. So very impressive finish to an underrated career down. A lot of folks we're following Jalen for. Jason and his career of Florida international's running back. Anthony Jones hit a gunshot wound. Bist most of the season ninety two yards. Three touchdowns in the bowl. Good to see him back and amazing performance by BYU's. True. Freshman quarterback is Wilson. How about eighteen eighteen for three hundred seventeen yards four touchdowns. He's going to be one of those horse is my contenders. And then the next year running back Trayvon Williams at Texas saying, I'm you know, in the last four games this year, eight hundred twenty nine yards rushing that had him break the AM single season record with seventeen hundred sixty yards this year and finally Kentucky. We talk about all these players missing out on the bowl games. Josh Allen Benny smell both say they're going to the NFL but both opt to play and both played with great passion as they pull the upset of Penn State. I Bulworth since what two thousand eight in the first ten win season since nineteen seventy seven for the Kentucky. Wildcats my man of. Thank you so much. For your time each week here on campus conversation, it has been a blast. And I would imagine you start writing the twenty nineteen Phil still college football preview starting tomorrow. Is that right? No, no. We actually started to get the day after the Sunday after thanksgiving knowing some of the team seasons where complete that's I only have six months to write this thing here, stranded fifty six pages. And you know, this is small and it's grant with information. Yeah. We gotta get an early jump on that. So we're we're full bore into the magazine for next year. The good news is you have a moustache you get to keep during the off season, which keeps your Mo-jo. Phil pre. She it the time but Bess elected in the new year. We'll talk to you soon. Right. All right. Sounds great. Always a lot of fun guys winning games. This time of year is a tough job that doesn't get easier when it comes to tough car repairs. Autozone. Makes it easy with their free loaners tool program to over one hundred specialty tools to help you get the job done. Right. Deposit required. Hashtag walk on. All right. It is time for our favorite part of the podcast in which I shut up and Josh macrey actually asked the question. So Josh take it away. Don't showed up for too long. Peter because the first question is for you comes to us from a preferred walk on drew Allen is at the drew abides. Really interesting question and talking point here drew wants to know, do you think the school would ever consider moving power five conferences if they aren't finding success in their current conference? For example, would a team leave the SEC for the big twelve because they think their path to a conference championship or playoff berth would be made easier by doing so by the way, drew the drew abide should just get a full scholarship. The fact that he's a walk on or even preferred walk on anymore. Like, no, my my friend. You you each and every we have to make a video of me doing some sort of ceremony. And he's at his True Lies that video. That'd be his parents. There of drew Allen brings it and Brad atom. I want to bring you guys in discussion. Because I think it's fascinating. I don't think it ever happened. Simply for the fact of it's always the dollars and sense of what the TV deals are in the. Network deal is pretty solid. Of course, the big twelve has their Longhorn network kind of thorn in their side as far as if they ever really wanted to get a big twelve network going, but we do see an interesting choice with Dana Hoeger Sohn saying, hey, you know, what I've got an opportunity the big twelve in West Virginia. Heck, I was almost there. Now, I'm going to go to a group of five which is clawing forward. I mean that all start with you, it will we ever get to that point to where. I mean, auburn's says, hey, bring me to the much less CC west if not even just a whole different conference. Well, I think auburn's already been lobbying to be in the SEC east that would that'd be just fine with them. And then Missouri goes to the west, and then everything geographically seems to make a little bit more sense in the SEC. But that's that's another story. Look, I don't think you're going to have anybody do with Dana Hoeger Sohn did and go from power five to a group of five. So that he can win at a higher level. And I'm not saying that that's all that was about for. For holson. But I think the bigger question is who would even think about doing this because the the schools that I can I guess that? I come to mind are teams that would basically be going back to conferences that they left. I mean, you're talking about AM or Missouri. Going back to the big twelve Nebraska going back to the big twelve and even Arkansas going back to a lot of their old southwest conference buddies. I'm not sure who else it would make sense. Maybe there'd be a team in the SEC. That's hey, you know, what let me in the coastal, you know, that would that would be attractive to a lot of them. But I just don't see where those invitations would come. And Adam you probably know more about this than I do. But the the grant of rights that so many of these major conferences have agreed to is pretty much a barrier to making a move like this because they would lose so much money off of it. It wouldn't be worth it. And and that's the word Brad. It's money. That's why teams move leagues. It's not for a better competitive situation. I I think it'd be hard to justify to your fans and say, you know, what we just didn't feel like we could get it done in this league. So we're gonna go to this easier league. I think it's always about the money, and the politics and the media rights deals and the agreements and do you have your own network, and how well is your own network? I mean, the Pac twelve is has really struggled right now as a league, and they're they're going to they're selling ten percent. Share in the conference to be are. They got a PR team though now. But, but it's I mean that would be a reason if you're a pack twelve school, and you feel like man this thing is going down. And I don't wanna be here when it hits the bottom of the ocean floor. Then I move conferences to wherever the big twelve. Maybe the big ten I don't know where you're gonna go. If you're on the west coast, but I think that's still a much likelier scenario than moving for competitive reasons ever. It'd be interesting. It really intriguing. Let's say that that out of the box idea of taking on investors worked in all of a sudden the Pac twelve got flush with money, they figured out there network hits in all of a sudden, they're their money their pay out to the schools equal that to the big ten or the SEC for for somehow wouldn't that be intriguing? If some team says, you know what I see the football. That's being played in our conference. Let's see somewhere in the southeast, and I say the type football they're playing in the Pac twelve we could just absolutely kill it out. There. But the reason why they wouldn't do it is because of the travel and the dollars and since, but if the dollars and since got close, it would be a fascinating different world. If if all of a sudden AM was like, yeah, we'll go to the Pac twelve and we'll win seven straight Pac twelve championships in. Oh, by the way, especially if it ends up having a college football playoff that has eight teams in the Pac twelve champion is automatically in as an automatic qualifier. Maybe that would change guys think to the fans matter though, a little bit. I mean, the fans would reveal if the fans matter we wouldn't be having the national championship game in Santa Clara and other conversation. West Virginia fans. I don't I don't know any well that I could ask. But I would imagine the big twelve thing hasn't been a lot of fun for them because it's really too far for them to travel to support their team on the road, very frequently as mostly you. Enjoy your home games. And that's the extent of it. And that's that's basically what it would be for any team. That's currently in another power five league to join the Pac twelve you just you couldn't go to road games, except for when you know, the the rare occasions that you'd save money to do it. But Brad with all of that big twelve money. They're able to keep their head coach. Okay. Never mind that bad bets next next question is for Adam comes to us from dude. He's at brand Dino five says Lincoln Riley has done some great things that oh you and two seasons. When it appears as though he's one of the greatest coaches in the country right now. But didn't Charlie weis also looked like a football God at Notre Dame. He took over a six and sixteen not. That was eleven to the previous year like Lincoln Riley did EM back in my newspaper days guys. I was put on the Notre Dame beat in the August. The twenty five right is to Charlie weis mania was getting going cover that team for the next few years, and it was pretty wild. How he was regarded and how he rose up as an offensive coordinator, just like like Riley has been, but it is just feels different. I think like Lincoln Riley is such a a better fit to build that program long term. But I think he's at an very interesting place in his career Charlie weis was sort of their after two years as well. Can you build the momentum or you're going to backslide and they backslid dramatically in year three? I don't think Oklahoma's going to do that. But I think it's an important moment because Lincoln Riley has to get this defense on track. He's at two Heisman Trophy winning quarterback. He's had two incredible offensive line's great scheme on offense. And where does it get you? You're out in the semi finals both years. So he's a guy that strives to champion. He. Has he has that in them? But he's got to get the defense on track. And and that's why this coordinator higher and the recruiting you'll just talking to people in the big twelve even yesterday. They they don't see Oklahoma with the personnel that they need to compete for a national championship on the defensive side. So it's gonna take a little bit of time. But it has to start happening this year with this coordinator higher or not it's not going to be Charlie weis part too. But it's not going to be Nick Sabin either. It's not gonna be urban Meyer either. If he can't get the defense on track. Would it be almost like a similar situation where Gary Pinkel won the east because the east was down of similar situation? Jim mcelwain win the east because the SEC east was down. And then all of a sudden it got a little bit better and people caught up lake at Riley's. I think brilliant offensively. But now look at how good Tom Herman squad looked in his second year with the recruiting class that he came in especially defensively, I think the defensive they had like six great secondary players that were signed. Of for Tom Herman in. They're only going to get better. Especially after they look the way that they had that win in the sugarbowl. I I find that to be intriguing going forward. Finally, Brad, we have this one for you from hashtag underscore at hashtag underst- to once you to get your nerd on says winning the QBR battle wins eighty five percent of games supposedly statistically, how does that translate for Bama V Clemson four does that really mean that Alabama has an eighty five percent chance of winning? If two was QBR is five points better than Lawrence's in the game. As is. Currently the case you let me start by saying I'm not sure where that stat comes from. I'm not familiar with it. I do know eighty six percent of stats are all made up. I do know that when your quarterback has a certain level of of QBR you should win the game. A, you know, a I guess a compatible amount of the time, but that but that is leaving the door open for other variables such as how the running game goes, especially with the running backs. And then also what your defense doesn't in this particular case while to a has pretty consistently been above Trevor Lawrence and QBR all season. Look Trevor Lawrence is eleventh overall this year, which for true freshman is outstanding for total QBR to is number two to Cuyler Murray not only for this year. But he's number two to collar Murray for the last fifteen years like the only quarterback who's had a better season in the last fifteen years than two of this year is Cuyler Murray this year, so two is at another level of quarterback. Play. And then you have to look at the other side of the ball. And what's interesting is the two best defenses this year at you know, defending quarterbacks total QBR allowed are Clemson and Alabama one too. So you would think that both teams are going to quarterbacks you're going to struggle relative to what they normally would do in a game. And then of course, you bring in that third element of it, which is the running backs while Clemson is obviously very talented at running back is well, I don't know that I like their chances of running. Successfully in this game as much as I do Alabama's even though clemson's defensive front is pretty much impossible to run against for everybody else. I think Alabama maybe has a little bit of an edge in the running game as well. So you put it all together. And yeah, I think I think QBR would lead you to believe Alabama has the edge here because they have the better quarterback. And I'm not sure that Clemson has anything else that so significantly better than Alabama that it would cancel that out fair enough. This was or has been or is the pending on what the proper tenses the last podcast of the week for us. So soak it all in this is your national championship preview. We will return again next Tuesday to recap the national championship, and we will need your walk ons to help us do. So make sure you tweet at us and use the hashtag welcomes the extra point, by the way, a little round of applause for Josh macrey who's having his like MJ flu game. Right. Bring into roll through like that in whenever he did have deposit required on the autozone. Read that was awesome. That was just impressive. As we go into the extra points. We're gonna go around the horn here. Adam you're going to get your chance to go. I I do want you to give a. Give your extra point. But then also give me how you see the college football national championship game playing out Monday night. So let him go ahead go. I sure it will Peter my extra point you you kind of alluded to it at the end of the walk on question. I wanted to talk about Texas because I haven't been on the podcast since Texas is a win over Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. And to me, they're in some ways the most interesting team coming out of the season, you I'm always hesitant is. I know you guys probably are as well to get too excited or too down based on performance. But I think Texas is really exceleron getting where it can be in the future, and we just talked about Oklahoma. And what's holding them back from being a national champion in Texas plays the way it played against Georgia going forward with those better players that you brought in you mentioned Peter from a recruiting standpoint on the defensive side, especially to replace a group of outstanding players that they will lose on that side from from this year's team. I think tech. Could quickly be closer to winning a national championship. Then Oklahoma has been because I tweeted this during the game. It's very clear to me that the next big twelve team that wins. The national championship has to have a real edge on defend tastic intimidation that it plays with on that side of the ball. And whether Georgia was in, you know, motivated or not Texas defense under Todd Orlando played with intimidation against Georgia. And if they can do that going forward and continuing to get upgrades throughout their roster. I think you can make the case of Texas is going to be in a better position to win a national championship not to make the playoff not just win the big twelve like Oklahoma's done, but Texas will be in a better position to win the national championship then Oklahoma does because they are more of a complete team. And because they they they they have that you especially on the defensive front. I was talking to an assistant in the SEC yesterday who has ties to the big twelve and he said, quote, you're not. To outscore a team to a national championship. They that's a message that should resonate for Lincoln Riley. And it's already resonated for Tom Herman, great extra point. Now. The extra extra point Alabama. Clemson, how do you see your role in Alabama for me? And I it's kind of what we talked about earlier because of their defensive front. I think Clemson will be in the game. I think it'll be a single score game for most of the way. But I think Alabama this arguably is Nick Sabin best team, and they will prevail. Once again back to back national titles Brad Edwards. Your everyone knows is the fourth straight year that Alabama Clemson have played each other in the playoff. And because of that I think a lot of people are short changing how great of a matchup. This is let's start with this. Which is that I think most Alabama fans would tell you. This is the best team that Nick Sabin has had now, obviously, if they don't win the national championship, it won't be remembered that way, but as we sit here today, I believe that that would be the opinion of. I Alabama fans. And I think most Clemson fans would also tell you this is probably their best team as much as they loved to Shawn Watson and his much is I think they would have to acknowledge Trevor Lawrence right now is not quite as good as to Shawn Watson was on those previous national championship teams are the ones that made the national championship game. When you combine what he does with what they are defensively on this team. This is probably their best team as well. And so I think if you're out there, and you're saying, you know, what I don't know if I'm going to watch this game because it's just another Alabama Clemson game round four. What's the big deal? I've seen this before. Well, here's why you should watch. It. We have FBI going back to the two thousand five season. And over that span there have been almost eleven thousand games played between FBI teams in of those nearly eleven thousand games there have been only two in which both teams were considered by. FBI to be more than thirty one points better than average this game coming up on Monday night and the two thousand six Rose Bowl, Texas USC. Well, that's it. And I think that there's been so much made of the rematch here with Alabama. And Clemson that people are losing sight of the fact that these are two elite teams not only as good as these programs have ever had. But when you put them together on the same field. This is one of the greatest matchups. We've had in recent decades, if not in the history of college football is far as not only the talent. But the dominance of two teams throughout the season. And then going head to head against one another at the end, well put with that being said, how do you see it playing out? I'm going album twenty seven seventeen. You know score. Yeah. I mean, I I think I kind of tipped it off. I'm seeing it the same way Adam is as far as some of the advantages that Alabama has let me throw in the FBI. I mean, we know what Vegas says who'd Alabama almost a touchdown favourite FBI sees this is basically a coin flip game. I think I think Alabama is like fifty one fifty two percent something like that. But but I just like the matchups here in Alabama's favors. Not that. I think Alabama is a much better team. It's just that. I think the match ups are favorable to them. And I think especially I like Alabama's chance to keep Clemson much lower on the scoreboard than they've typically been this season. And obviously, I'm picking Clemson to keep Alabama lower on the scoreboard than they've typically been looking forward to seeing that one. Of course, my extra point is a little bit different. We sit here in the first week of January. I looked at my Twitter account a couple of days ago, and I have eighty five thousand tweets now, this goes all the way back since two thousand nine and a lot of times, I'll live tweet games at Peter burns ESPN, and I started getting in over the years. I was sick as a dog guys. And I'm thinking, I didn't pick up my phone. I literally was just trying to stay alive. That's how I was a couple of days. And I realized I didn't miss anything. Like, I didn't miss trolling people on Twitter. I didn't miss, you know, if I said, something witty or funny or. An opinion nobody in life moved on without it. And as I cut it took a step back from Twitter who I think is great for information. I found myself going how many positive things on Twitter. And I believe social media has really. Has got to a tipping point especially in the collegiate game to where it's not good constructive conversation as opposed to it is just people, you know, absolutely fanning, the flames on different things, and I have been guilty of that myself being SEC Homer and honk and I've been called everything underneath the sun. And when I started reviewing it as like, you know, what you're right. And so I'm looking at this is not only a plea or myself because I want you guys to make me be held accountable. Brad atom, Josh and those who listened to campus conversation podcast, but all of college football fans that Twitter can be used as such a great way to kind of have these conversations about sports in have interesting dialogue in connect with fans and learn stuff, but also just be kinder gentler and twenty nineteen. I don't know how long I'll be able to keep it like almost all my New Year's resolutions. I'm sure when. The Alabama game kicks off. I'll probably go back to Twitter and being the most annoying person on Twitter as always, but I just hope that we all can try to be a little bit more positive going forward. And maybe that's a little pollyannaish in combine is. But I think it'd be kind of cool to see the world of college football and the world of sports in general have a kinder gentler Twitter with that being said, I think Alabama transits Clemson thirty five eighty four. But listen my question closer, please. Don't tweet back. God your. That was exactly what I did. Oh, I killed it. You know, is your Sean that was it that was my punchline. No. But I'll joking aside. Like again, I think that we're all very lucky in what we do. And so I'm like why would a throw it away for some stupid tweet. That's going to get me. Six hundred tweets like six hundred re tweets is not the very important in anybody's life. But being respected by people would be one with that being said, you may not respect me because. Yes, Adam as you said SEC SEC SEC, I just have the question marks about the freshman QB versus Quin Williams. And disrupting that line decks Lawrence being out as the difference maker. And I think that Alabama while it didn't look that impressive Oklahoma. I think that had they committed to passing the ball and not Trump playing keep away. They could've put up whatever number. They wanted to. And that's been really the case all season long. Brad. You talked about two of the best teams that we've ever seen at least in football power index numbers. Texas USA was a great one. I expect a great one but Alabama to win thirty. Five twenty four for Josh macrey out of written. Berg Brad Edwards. I am Peter burns be nice on Twitter. And of course, you know, cook. It's the final say. My damn you for listening to campus conversation, you can listen in subscribe to all ESPN podcast in the listen tab of the ESPN app, including the herbstreet and Fitzsimmons podcast available in the ESPN app.

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CFB Week 13 Preview

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CFB Week 13 Preview

"Into the game. You kind of your money. That's how you find out. Who's back all my bets were safe that wouldn't be any juice, juice point, spreads the prop vets, but teasers the parlays from Vegas to you. These these behind the bat, so. Welcome into another behind the bed podcast. They second taping on this Tuesday November twentieth. We had the NFL pot as well taste early purely because of events giving holidays, and hopefully everyone is downloading these podcasts, and we are hoping sued the travel pains during this thanksgiving week of travel. It is brutal. And there will be delays on trains buses traffic, obviously flight delays as well. And we're we're here for you. And we also want to give out some winners. So Phil Steele's coming up with this five place. He went three and two last week. And then John Murray as well from behind the counter has some sharp lays on this rivalry weekend. And some NBA talk is the warriors of failed to cover four straight. There struggling Draymond green out tomorrow. What do we make of all these other teams this unpredictable first month or so of the NBA season's been wild the cell? Ix of all teams are barely over five hundred zero lot dive into with him and tiger Phil, and Chuck and Tito and the may the third fight of the trilogy. So we'll get all we'll get into all of that. With John Murray straight ahead. Stop hammer time there's a couple of games I plan to hammer this coming week, and I need to flush it out with our man. Phil Steele back on the podcast, Phil. How are you man? You know, I am doing great, Doug. How about yourself today? How do you feel when I'm telling you? I love some games this week. That's that's good to hear especially after last week. You were sorta we she washy on the entire week. And I guess it showed on the sportscenter did his area and actually had a losing week the Russian is cut. Yeah. Went one into in. I'm annoyed. Look what it coulda shoulda. There's been some coin flips that I've had wiggle my picks down to three for sports intern. I've obviously chosen the right ones. I remember Arizona at home against oak. Excuse me, Oregon early this year. I did not choose it. I took Houston that day and being the right decision. So one that coin flip this time. I took Oklahoma first-half probably was leaning towards watt zoo based on our conversation on this very podcast. So I went one and to I'm a I'm bummed about it happens twenty three and ten now on sportscenter still obviously very fortunate record. But it would have been nice to just continue that I gotta finish strong two more weeks ago. I'd like to go at least two and one each of the next victim bring you back on this week. I mean, not after my NFL picks gone one into back weeks. Yeah. Well, the NFL I'm just glad to get one win. Sometimes. So but you went three two last week. It was an ugly week. It was tough. I really should've gone with the synod L as well. Antastic handicap on your end calling out the triple option calling out all those points, fifty plus hard not to want to take that. But then again, Bama head cover ten straight first-half. So finally that street comes to an end. But that's okay. Yeah. It's a great end you want road debt streak almost the entire year. And when you write a streaky win many times, you lose only one. So you got the most out of that one. Doug. I did I was happy with it. I did jump off a couple times. You are not a fan of that. You almost rep you scolded me, basically. I did. There was twice. I did that if I had played the other three times it would have been two and one. So you're right in that regard. But you know, I wasn't wrong. This is the Mississippi State game. And it was you know, it was the right sort of angle it was there, but they just got lucky with the refs. But here we are much more enjoyable matchups this weekend on the college football card, and I know you have five plays. I wanna get to those should we start there. So we start with. Which one would you like to go? Let's go your. We'll start start with my five. Okay. Then then we'll definitely cover every other game that you want to cover. All right. Let's go there. First things. I do you have any of the Thursday games or any max mid week? No. I do not. Okay. You're you're on Saturday. And you want to start with Virginia which honestly should have one last weekend. I was disappointed that was heartbreaking game at the end they covered, but they had the game outright. And you like the walk who's on the road in Blacksburg Virginia Tech is just absolutely dominated this series. I mean, it's been what fourteen years since Virginia's actually beat them in a long time and the Cavaliers this year. Just come in with a much better defense, you watch the defense last week Doug against Georgia Tech. I mean Virginia had four hundred three two three oh five yardage. They shut down the option. A couple of big place for GT a couple of key turnovers for Virginia and ended up losing that game. But still a good season. And I really liked Bryce Perkins. This year. He's got a nineteen to nine ratio. Throwing the football is run for seven hundred twenty six yards. So they have a balanced attack with Perkins Ellis running it with with Perkins thrown it and how about success at the receiver spot. He made some big time grabs so really impressed with Virginia overall with Virginia Tech, and you know, as I mentioned last week willing with Miami against them this for junior techniques at the start of the year is extremely young and inexperienced. They lost. Their key players. They keep losing players to injury. And the defense just keeps giving up the yards on a on a weekly basis. So a massive defensive edge here to Virginia, which is a lot fresher a lot healthier a lot better bodies. And I like the offense of edge as well and the spreads actually fairly cheap here. It's three and a half. Maybe that's based a little bit on the fact that for junior tech is dominated this series throughout the years. But let's face it. Virginia Tech's home field hasn't been quite the same. This is a Friday game. It's at three thirty in the afternoon. So I don't think. Virginia's gonna be intimidated. And the one thing they want to do is to end this streak now. And I think for genius got the better team gets it done. So I like the Cavaliers minus three and a half the road. Well, if I told you to begin the season you'd be doing that. Not for Jin. Yeah. I I had some other teams like I would have favored at the start of the year. I did have after talking to coach my foster in spring and seeing how young is defense was I thought that not I would take Notre Dame at for Jinya tech. I liked Boston College at Virginia Tech. I like Miami of Florida Virginia Tech. But I cannot tell you at the start of the year like Virginia. In fact, I had Virginia pick at the bottom of the division in the magazine. So I did not call for that. Interesting line in game and pick here you're going with Texas AM short home favourite LSU here. Yeah. And this Texas M team. That's just so much better than its record indicates. And you know, you go back to that Auburn game. Remember the Auburn game? I I had an that one. And I said the way we lost that game. After dominating it with a twenty eight to thirteen I down we're gonna pick up on winds on Texas AM for the next two to three weeks, and they covered against ole miss. They beat UAB last week. And I think it continues here when you look at these two teams, you know, hell shoes known for their defense this year. They've got some big time name since a big time players, but surprisingly, Doug. They're all their opponents to eight yards per game below their season average, which is good. It's number seventeen in the country. But did you know Texas AM's holding their opponents to ninety four yards per game below the season average number thirteen in the country? And we do look at these two teams offense, Shirley, no comparison Trayvon. Uh-huh. Thirteen hundred twenty six yard rusher. Average is six point one yards for Kerry kellyn Monda quarterback is fifty nine percent of the seventeen eight ratio. Also a dangerous runner. They're out gaining their foes by eight yards of bulb. What they had coming in. They've played a brutal schedule. They could easily have a much better record. I thought they played better than their scores showed against Mississippi State dominated over but loss and their other two losses are Clemson in Alabama. And now they're at home for this with what I feel is the stronger team, even though Texas am somehow is not rank and LSU's in the top ten. I think pick saying I'm stronger team at home and you're lay in less than a field goal in that situation. So I'm gonna go with the underrated Texas AM, minus the points, minus two and a half at home in this one. I can't fault you there. I'm fading down analysis. You I just don't think they're that strong. We talked about it with the Alabama game. I agree Texas A and M is one of the most underrated teams. And so as Mississippi State, and that's who I love and the bull, and we'll talk about that later. But I agree the aggies or are extremely underrated. Another team you're back in here that it's gonna take convincing for me TCU. Now, they got the w over Baylor last week. But I think they had failed to cover seven straight, and you like him catching a few points here. And you would imagine letdown spot for oak state. Yeah. And also they've got a third string quarterback now. Because Michael Collins got injured last week's all the way down in Grayson bull Steen. They call them the mule, and he's a guy who when I talked to coach Patterson I go through every player on the team with every coach meal was a four string quarterback. But he said this guy really knows the offense. Oh, and here's you probably you might not be old enough to remember this but back in two thousand fifteen all right? That was just a couple of years ago. They went into the bowl game against Oregon. And they were down to the third string quarterback is name is Brian Cole house in the end. Even started. Game before they took on the Oregon ducks she hit thirty or forty seven for three forty seven. So that tells me that Gary Patterson can't take a quarterback, especially when like Milstein who knows the offense and get the production out of them. Now, you talk about a team that has probably got its tank emptied. Look at Oklahoma state fired up for Texas at home pull the upset thirty eight thirty five the next week. They go on the road there in a back forth game they end up losing by four at Baylor. They come going to Oklahoma lose a one point game where they got stopped on the two point conversion, then they're down. Again twist Virginia rally for the win at the end of the game. And now they've clinched a bowl that just got their sixth win. And they've gotta travel on the road to teach you how much more can you have left in the tank after that, I mean, well TCU they were pretty much the water. They got blown up West Virginia. They're foreign sixteen. They'd have to win their last two games to get to a bowl they're done. They're cooked. They're going to Baylor last week come out with a win despite losing their quarterback as mentioned. Michael collins. I to me the biggest for them in this game is defense TCU is actually holding opponents to eighty two yards per game below their season average that's number twenty two in the country. Oklahoma state actually allows their opponents thirty yards per game above their season average, that's number ninety nine in the country. Now, no doubt Oklahoma state's got better offense of weapons, but we've seen them be pretty average at times this year. Remember that twelve points against Kansas state, seventeen points against Texas Tech. And I think in this situation with TCU plane to make it to a bowl with the better defense at home and plan for the first start for a quarterback where we've seen Patterson do pretty well with that. And they're getting points. I like TCU plus the five points here at home against Oklahoma state. It's a strong sell by you feel strong for sheet that research that that those those stars really do seem align. I think it's a really good spot there for TCU plus the five I I just steam is just let me down. So often out the course season. But at least, you know, if you're playing on streaks, and you were playing against TCU every week that streak at least ended last week. I wish we'll get to the favorite my personal favorite nickname for a rivalry game in a second. But first you like Memphis Leinna touchdown here. And I don't I'm not with you on this one. I'm not against you. But you're gonna have to convince me of this when because Houston's pretty solid, although the Oliver antics make you wonder, yeah. And that only at Oliver, but at the end of their last game against two lane year, a king who I'm amazed at this guy watching him play this year gear. A king has got six hundred seventy six yards rushing. He's thrown for thirty six touchdown passes and had just six interceptions all year and every time I've watched him play. He's an amazing quarterback amazing athlete and has made that Houston offense almost unstoppable. Well, fortunately, got injured the game against Elaine. So he's out for the year. Your quarterback is Clayton. Tune Clayton Tunis at twenty or forty two passes completing forty seven or forty seven percent of his passes this year, and he's nowhere near the runner that the king is so I think offensively they lost by far their star player. And I don't think they're going to be as potent offensively as they had been all season long defensively. It wasn't just at Oliver. They were actually missing all three of their defensive lineman last week injury. Even if Oliver returns, you really think he's gonna play the whole game. He's got NFL on his mind. You know that I know that I got the feeling it'll be an injury in the second quarter where he comes off the field, and it doesn't really play a lot of place. Plus, you got the wonder about a little bit in the locker room. Meanwhile, with Memphis, you know, once again, here's a team that they played Missouri. And they lost their star running back. They're all Henderson the first series. They got blown out. So they were going nowhere. But now all of a sudden they've won their last three games. They still have outside shot at winning the division and getting to the USA title game. They've got Brady white. They've got one of the exposed. Most explosive running backs in the country. Daryl Henderson, and this Houston defense is been given up eighty nine yards above with the reports come in allowing now our score or averaging Memphis is average and five twenty three. So if you have eighty nine onto that they should give up about six hundred yards here. The last five games they've given up three forty four two four three twelve to twelve rushing. And I think Henderson as a big game running the ball. I think Brady way does a good game. Throwing it. They're tough at home almost beat UCF at home net. They pretty much blown out all their opponents. Remember last year, they beat UCLA at home. So I think you got a Houston team limping in here without their quarterback without a good portion of the defensive front seven taken out of Memphis team hitting their strides. It's had let's say sit giving the second life after opening up the year four and four there. Three impressive wins. I like the Tigers to get this one at home by more than a touch show. You were not to the challenge. Well done. You you took the challenge, and then ran with it so nicely done there. I would agree with you on rivalry names. Here you go right ahead. This is my favorite the holy war. There's a modern names and probably a little more clever, although this one just this captures it BYU in Utah. Yeah. And this is a legitimate rivalry people around the country, probably don't realize it. But I do a lot of shows in Utah every year. And I tell you what these teams hate each other. Holy war is very appropriately named for it. And it's been a great rivalry. If you go back over the last twenty two games times. These teams play Doug amazingly seventeen times the game has been decided by seven points or less including the last five. So generally it lives up to that robbery billing, and you know, tell you since it's rivalry weekend. Let me give a quick thought about that. And everybody says, you know rivalry underdogs. I it's absolutely true. I can't tell you. How many times that I'm scratching my head at the end of the game during rivalry weekend. And I say how can I possibly explain that to myself and my only possible answer is. It's a rivalry game. And I remember my dad giving me an example. I thought it was back in nineteen seventy something Kansas City was playing Kansas. And I said I like the favourite, and he said, you know, what you got to watch those rivalry games. And my numbers on the sheet. I had 'cause I did all kinds of says a teenager. I've got all these computer numbers and that computer numbers back, then they were more handwritten numbers, but they had the one team win it by twenty four and he's like V careful, and I learned my lesson that day, and it's been true. So often throughout the years that the robbery dog has been just the surprise. Now. Here's BYU team that plays a lot better as dog. Let's look at a couple of their underdog games this year. They opened up at Arizona. It pulled the upset they go into Wisconsin pull the upset. They did get peep, I Washington, but then they went into Boise state and only lost by five. So they played well as dog they've got a very good defense. All opponents eighty six yards per game below their season average number eighteen in the country. Ofensive -ly, they're not quite the same as you top. Let's face it. Utah lost their quarterback Tyler Hundley. They lost their running back. Zach boss shyness, look good. Shelly look good in their place, but they're little down there. So I think Utah still has one of the best defense as well to very good defenses two offenses their struggle bit. And then you factor in Utah's got the Pac twelve title game on deck if they win that they're the Pac twelve chain of. So they go to the Rose Bowl. And it's a tremendous season for Utah. So BYU's got no such look ahead. They've got their bowl game wrapped up, but it's a robbery game. They want to end their losing streak the Utah. Most of the games are close. And the line is proudly near two touchdowns. It's thirteen and a half for this. Yeah. So I'm gonna take another close game in the holy war and take BYU plus thirteen and a half. Good stuff there, man. Look, it's all tickets cash the same, right? So if you got to take some ugly games and some ugly dogs. That's that's what you gotta do. But these games aren't too bad. I mean, Texas MLS you obviously in intriguing games and good relatively good teams there in meant. I didn't pull a single see USA or sunbelt game. You're fine. There. This is not UNC, Charlotte. Florida atlantic. So let's talk about some Doug's games. Now. Right. So the two I love the most are s- comparable spreads the star of the egg throw that word around, by the way, Doug, which one love love becomes the point spreads. No. So look it's on the road. These the case for Mississippi. Right. It's inox for'de. They're not going bowling. So this rivalry game is their season like that. That's what they care about. But Mississippi State law the bowl is their official bowl. Yeah. This'll be state loss last year. So little revenge here they are the much better team, and they are one hundred eighteen in the country. I think they get this win by double digits. They're only ten and a half. And I would have to echo your sentiments there. When you look at old miss this year, you know, offense they do. Well, they're okay for the most part that they've had some struggles. Like when they played LSU the only sixteen points three hundred twenty eight yards when they played Alabama seven points two hundred forty eight yards and I am gonna put Mississippi state's defense in the same category. As Alabama LSU for sure I mean on the season Mississippi State holding opponents to one hundred thirty eight yards below their season average number four in the country. They've got one of the best defensive lines in the entire country. And so they're they're one they're an elite defense offensively last year and a game in the bowl. Remember, Nick FitzGerald got injured early. And then Mississippi pull the big upset there this year Fitzgerald's healthy they're playing better offense down the stretch. Four hundred seventy eight yards gets Arkansas last week five thirty two against the Lisi attack. So I like the way they're playing it is indeed a legitimate revenge game for MS. Mississippi State, and I don't think the home crowd is going to be too intimidating. You're playing at Mississippi State with all the cowbells. So, you know, add it all up. I agree. You've got the better team playing with much better team playing with legitimate revenge. And ole miss is just now lost four in a row could be five should be five in a row after this one and Mississippi states in great current form. I agree to all that Phil just I guess my only apprehension is how badly they played at LSU. I mean, I understand the Bama twenty four nothing in LUSA the losing nineteen to three at LSU. And I think they're are better team that does concern me here. Yeah. And I'm watching note that in that LSU game, by the way with I think it was under a minute left in the first half LSU at a grand total of fifteen yards offense. So that's pretty good there. But the one other thing I wanted to point out is well, Mississippi State is number twenty two in the eight people each week on ESPN dot com. I have got up the Vegas power ratings and. Mississippi State into Vegas power ratings are number eleven in the country. So this is a team that's much better than what the AP and everybody has their gaining a lot of respect on a weekly basis. I know, but they also lost at Kentucky. So it's just like three Lawson Albie, Bama, LSU and Kentucky. But still like this is inferior opponent. It just that's my one concern for putting the mortgage on. That's all. And those those three teams they lost to had one common thread, including Florida's. Well. And that is a very good defense something we cannot say about illness. We don't giving up they're giving their opponents fifty seven yards per game above their season average. My other game that I really really really like. And yeah, I'll classify it. Stop hammer time. Exact same spread Notre Dame minus ten and a half at USC the Irish have one game to take care of business, and they're going to the playoff USC. I mean who knows what's going on right there? Klay Hiltons on his way out. They lost their rival. Now. This is another rival, but this is a team spiraling. And I like the Irish I think they're just a better team as well. I'm not too concerned with the being on the road at the Coliseum. I think the Irish just deliver a beatdown on an SE team. That's been faltering all year. And I'm once again in agreement with you on this one Doug in in fact, last week. I sorta I leaned with USC over UCLA thought they had to play the game. And then just the ball run down their throats shockingly three hundred thirteen yards rushing six point zero yards per carrying. It just sets it up for Dexter Williams. I mean this guy. Remember miss the first four games for Notre Dame since he's come back. He's been electric running back. They've got Ian book back now as well. He missed the Florida state game. But look good last week against Syracuse hitting twenty three thirty eight for two hundred ninety two yards and the Irish in my mind are complete team. They've got a good special teams. They can run the football averaging four point six yards per carry. They throw the football. Well, they're hitting sixty six percent. And it got dynamic defense. Hold opponent ninety years below their season. Average the only allow fifty three percent completions. They'll allow three point seven yards per carry. We saw matched up against the Pac twelve team earlier this year and Stanford and then just pretty much steamrolled Stanford at five hundred fifty to two Twenty-nine yardage and they've had games like that where the rolling those rivalry game. So I have Notre Dame's full attention for this. And just frankly with USC a team that's under received. In fact, you know, I do another podcast here on ESPN and match through last week as an example, I had five plays on that one went four and one by one loss was US CMS. Pointed out. Why are you doing better on their pot and not ours? That's a great question dog. It's it's a little frustrating that 'cause I prefer to go five with my buddy. Doug, so sorry about that. But he threw out. He goes that's a third time. You've used USC, Phil. And I'm like, well, they're gonna do at this time. No, they're not they're they're done. They're cook. They lost their me three times in the last four weeks. I'm done using USC. They're giving out a lot of yards per carry on defense as of late if they allow two hundred yards rushing to Utah to eighty three days on a state and offensively while they've got weapons. I mean said where's dangerous Michael Pittman and Saint Brown receiver a couple of very dangerous? Guys. JT Daniels is a guy who I think three years from now is going to be contending for the Heisman. But this year thirteen touchdowns ten interceptions taken out of very good defense. So I think overall you've got a much better team playing with lot better as you mentioned. You don't know what's going on in the US you locker room right now. But rumors swirling, you know, who's going to be the next day. Coach what's going to happen is coach L, maybe let go so. I don't think the crowds going to be that much. I mean the USC UCLA game. I think had the lowest attendance since nineteen fifty six and granted that was UCLA. But that just goes to show you the apathy that's going on right now out there, and I like Notre Dame to go out there and crush him. So I agree with you there. At no point in the game. Will I feel comfortable with USC unless they're winning like that's the thing. Even if it's like a three point lead for the Irish, I'm like this the beatdown coming USC is not together for solid quarters in one game. I thought the Stanford game was like their best game. Yeah. And on the road, you know, all that stuff. They played tough. Right. And if not for minus three and turnovers, I mean, they had a shot at the twenty two thirteen I down ratio. Interesting. All right. What about some other rivalry? Let's go the iron bowl Auburn Alabama. The number seems about right twenty four. Auburn doesn't look incompetent on offense as it has earlier this year and twenty four is a tough one to lay in that. I wouldn't take the dog that I don't know if I'm gonna lay the twenty four. But I would lean with it. And you know, if if you're queasy in the fact that, you know, this is the iron bowl, and how do you conceivably go with a large favorite of this size in the iron bowl? I will point out that the the last time Alabama was this big of a favorite. They were thirty four and a half point favorite. And it wasn't a law goes two thousand twelve thirty four and a half point favorite. They won the game forty nine to nothing and the team. Yeah. Team. That's just in my mind there. They've been a fake team all year the key with Auburn. They have to be able to run the football. Now last week. I liked him against liberty. 'cause then I liked him against ole miss three weeks ago. Because in each game, I thought they could run the football. And that's when malzahn offense is at its best is when they're running the football, and they ran for three hundred forty yards got the shutout. But Alabama is defense is outstanding out of the year in SEC action given up two point seven yards per carry eighty. Two years for game on the ground. Auburn's not going to be able to run the football hell them. We'll get pressure on the quarterback. And on the flip side of the coin after a couple of off games, you know, where they had twenty nine twenty four points. I think Alabama's offense gets rolling. So the fact that they're playing with legitimate revenge. You remember they lost Auburn last year that I would I would lay the twenty four and a half there won't we one of my top place, but I like the tide and that one what about Louisville Kentucky or shall I say Louisville Kentucky. How do you play on either? One of these teams get Tukhy disappointed me last week, Doug. I liked him against middle. Tennessee it jumped out to it seventeen to nothing lead. I'm like here we go. Here. We go is a this was too easy. And yeah was stock. Still the quarterback threw for two hundred ninety three yards thirty thirty three passes for for middle Tennessee and middle only lost that game. The final was thirty four to twenty three only lost by eleven so Kentucky came up four and a half point short a cover net game. I'm little disappointed Kentucky, also lost Tennessee, Georgia. So they're on a a three game losing streak against the spread. Balu evil is a team that you know, I they fired their coach they've had moments. Now, here's the amazing thing about this team. They're getting blown out on a weekly basis. Right. But they're only being outgained by one hundred sixteen yards per game. It's not like they're two hundred yards to four hundred ninety or five hundred and yet each week. The scoreboard is showing a drastic. Oh off it's robbery game. If I'm Kentucky, and I got a chance to step on the Louisville. Then I'm gonna do it this week. So I would lean with the favorite, but Kentucky disappointed me too much last week for me to back them this week as a favorite I like Kentucky here too just because they've been such the little brother for so often that this is their chance to really hammered home and this affects given the opportunity once you step on their throat. Yeah. No. I think they I think they do. But it's a lot in Louisville's not completely incompetent. Although they have showed signs of that lately. So hard to make that. Certainty and so no, no. You can't quote me on that one guy. And what about this game that had all the makings of a really intriguing game until West Virginia loss, but mountaineers at home against you the Sooners defense just been a trophy. I mean I team ever right to win three straight while giving up forty points in each of those winds and now they're on the road lane one and a half year Morgantown. Yeah. And this one, you know, the winner of this games in the big twelve title game. And the losers out. Oh, oklahoma. If they lose this game. They're not even in the big twelve title game at less, Kansas upsets, Texas. No, I'm just telling you dog. That's not gonna happen. It's gonna be Texas against the winner of this game in the big twelve title game. Now, West Virginia gun explosive office. I mean, we'll share company putting up some big time numbers this year. They've got the receiving core. Even got a nice bell often sick and run with McCoy. They can run with that way. So even Brown's got some good yards this year. But Oklahoma has got the best offense in the country may have the best offense of line in the country. Trae sermons run of the ball. Well, marquees Brown CD Lamour explosive receivers Kyla Murray. You know, also all off season Doug when I talked about Oklahoma during my radio show circuit there. I would say, well, we know the column or is not gonna match Baker Mayfield seventy percent forty three six ratio from last year, but he will be dynamic runner. Well, he's proven that. He's been the dynamic runner seven hundred thirty nine yards. But he's matched statistically. We're talking seventy percent completions. With thirty four six ratio. No wonder Oklahoma out gained its opponents one hundred ninety four yards per game. Which is the best of any team in the country this year. So I'm gonna give the offense of -ly to Oklahoma defensively. Now, we've seen Oklahoma defense. West Virginia's is not that bad. In fact, they're holding oppose to sixteen yards below their season average, which is middle of the road and better than Oklahoma. So defensively I'm gonna give the edge to West Virginia. Now home edge. Yeah, it's legitimate. It's Morgantown, so they'd have a legitimate home edge. Oklahoma did win the last one big. I think there are three key turnovers in the first quarter. It's really turned it into a blowout and the Sooners won. So the honest with Doug, I was gonna say, you know, whoever has the better special teams. I'm going to go with here. I go check my special teams rating their right eat dead even there. So I mean, this is just one of those games where I could make a case for West Virginia can make a case your Oklahoma. I'm gonna call this one of popcorn game. Doug. And that is one I'd have no. Opinion of the side on but one that I'm gonna get some popcorn. I'll watch it. Because my computer is actually calling for this to be forty eight to forty four and the totals only eighty three and a half. Oh that all. I think back to yesterday's game the Kansas City Rams name and you're thinking. Wow. How do you gotta go over sixty five and a NFL game. And guess what? Over one hundred point. So I use that with my philosophy for the eighty three and a half. So we save the the game for the last here and this Michigan Ohio state and about three days ago. I was just like I love Michigan in this game. Now, like, I don't know, you know, high. Oh state. It's I'm torn here because MRI I think the lines right? Michigan's minus four at the horseshoe. And I think there are better football team. I think they get the W, but the buckeyes I'm having some reservations. But I think ultimately I'm gonna take Michigan. Where do you stand on things? I am leaning with Michigan as well. Urban Meyer is actually never been a home dog here in Columbus. So that's a nice advantage to have surprisingly, my computer, actually is calling for this to be a two or three point game, you know, very close game. And and saying that I'll state's to gain their yards. And you know, the one thing I was looking back on Ojo stayed a little bit is every week will have gets malign though, they didn't play very well the play very well. But let's look at a couple of games, Indiana. They'd beat forty nine to twenty six. And there was like I wasn't a good game in Minnesota. They beat thirty two fourteen wasn't a game. Michigan state. They beat by twenty not a good game. Now, they've had some close calls Nebraska, Maryland, they got the blowout loss to do. But they do have an explosive offense. In fact, this year, they're averaging one hundred forty nine yards per game above with the reports Lau, which is number four in the country. So I'm going to give them that. Now, the rest of my cases, all towards Michigan here. First of all like teams that balance while states run the ball little bit recently against week run defenses of Braskin, Maryland. But the only two point seven yards per carry against Michigan state of Jason struggled to run the ball all year. They're not going to run the ball. And Don Browns defense. I mean, Michigan's defense allowing just three point three yards per carry. And it seems like it should be even less than that. They eighty yard run against Rutgers hurt him a couple of big runs. But for the most part they will shut down on how states run game which puts it on Haskins. And I'm gonna take the more balanced attack with keratin hig then thousand yards rushing five point three yards per carry. So I leaned with Michigan off that's defensively silent close how states giving up big place all year long. I mean, they're give it up. It's not your typical house. They defense in big ten play four point seven yards per carry. They're giving up on the ground. So Higgins should have a good game here. And on the flip side of the coin Michigan's got deed best defense in the country. Yeah, they look past Indiana last week eve of three hundred eighty through five yards, but they still are holding opponents to one hundred seventy nine yards per game below their season average best Mark in the country. Ohio State even below average in this category. They're giving their opponents nine yards of of their season. Average number seventy seven giving the example last year's Ohio State team was number ten in that category holding the post to basically a hundred yards per game below their season average. So it's an atypical how state defense and the last time Michigan traveled here. Remember that thing went to overtime and Michigan with swear they stopped GT bear on a fourth-down run. And then the next player house. They got the win, but they could easily beaten much better Ohio State team two years ago here in the shoe, then this year and this much better Michigan team as well. So I ended all up I like Michigan, and I'm willing to lay the four until I stayed actually shows up and. And is that Ohio State team? You thought they were at the start of the year. I gotta go with the Michigan team to has been as good as I thought they would be this year. Right. Nice. I'm with you there. I just got to kind of process everything before do my three plays on sportscenter. Definitely doing the egg Bill on Thursday may even go on sportscenter discuss Mississippi State lane the ten and a half, which is what it is right now. But you're five plays for the podcast, Virginia, minus three and a half, Texas, A and M minus two and a half you plus five Memphis, minus seven and BYU in the holy war, plus thirteen and a half. Phil, always appreciate the insight and perspective analysis. Thank you very much, especially for tweaking, your schedule to accommodate our taping schedule, and you have happy thanksgiving. My man. Well, the same to you, Doug and best of luck on your place this weekend. Let's bounce back with the big three and all on sports. Do it. Let's do it. All right. But you take care, and we'll get you back here next. Week sounds great to go. Thanks to fill steel John Murray, the super at the west gate in Las Vegas. Will join us now. But first word from one of our sponsors as envoy Gavin loved playing football. 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I'm an EMMY question for you as we're going to turn back the clock with Tito, Ortiz and chocolate L. A lot of money on that fight. Oh tiger Phil as well. So we've got golf legends in their respective sports. Facing off good stuff. This is a busy weekend in the sports sports world, man. There's a lot going on no doubt. So let's talk about the big college football games. I had we do at the sharp action. I know you got the Ohio Bob cats week ago, minus the to how do we do the rest of the way North Texas was a push. If you got North Texas, minus three I think some of the dogs that I mentioned it very well UMass covered Kansas covered. Those are pretty good. Pretty good day or pretty good week. I should say for the sharp sharp college football betters. They've they've had a good year. You know, our sharper college football groups of had success pretty much all the way through the season. Yeah. You gave out the winters. I like that match in mid week maximum, you know, how feel about that any other any midway mid week. And we got going on this week. No, I don't have any any wise guy plays in college football until Friday morning, actually, nothing tonight or on Thanksgiving Day. All right. So no Egbo. 'cause I like Mississippi State a lot you like stay now. I got nothing on that game so far, but it's still pretty early in the week something could pop up, you know, we've only had a couple of are group's bet. So far this week still it's still pretty early. But we do have I do have a handful of stuff. I can give out. All right. Let's fire away on Friday. Then. Friday. I actually I like this one Isla minus eight and a half. They're at home against the Brassica Nebraska coming off a good win over Michigan state. And I think Scott frost deserves a lot of credit for the rally that Nebraska's had the second half of their season. That's a program. That's clearly heading in the right direction right now. But this group laid the eight and a half points on Iowa right now, I was up to a ten point favorite here at the super book. Yeah. This Hawkeye steam, we've talked about it in the past on this podcast and mostly with Phil Steele, just their offense is so much better than it has been years pass order back place strong. They did struggle in the wind. Although Nebraska look on him as my loan win last week, but the huskers I it was awful conditions. Martinez was very hesitant to throw. If the conditions are more conducive to passing we could see a shootout here. And I see fifty three is the total potentially here. Yeah. That and Nebraska Michigan state games to go back to that real quick. That was one of the biggest winners of the week for us here. We had a lot of money on Michigan state league. We had some we had a big bet on the over in that game. And we had a big bet on the second half over in that game. So we were very happy. When Brask made that field goal to go up nine to six. The only thing that could really snap this. If that game gone to overtime. I think the game total still would have been out of reach. But the second half total could have theoretically been in play if they'd had a couple of overtime sessions. So I will minus eight and a half would that numbers now up to ten what else? Yeah. This one pains me West Virginia West Virginia coming off a heartbreaking loss on Saturday. That loss was so bad, Oklahoma state and probably our best college group played Oklahoma as a pick them now Oklahoma's up to a one and a half point favorite here. But these guys played Oklahoma pick that game is Friday night in Morgantown West Virginia can still get to the big twelve championship game with a win on. Friday, right. But with two losses their aspirations for the CFP. Oh, yes. But still still planning to play for. But you wonder how much they can have left in the tank here after last week's game you hopefully was going through the motions last week. I say that for the sake of Sooners fans, this you're gonna need a better performance than you had last week at home against Kansas. You know for West Virginia football when I was a student there. They were in the big east. And now they're in the big twelve and for that program to get to a big twelve title game at Cowboys stadium. I think it would be against Texas most likely that would be a big deal for that football program. It'd be a much bigger deal for them, and it would be Oklahoma Oklahoma, no big deal to go to the big twelve championship game. When also be a big deal will Greer gets an invite to New York and that that's here. I wanted. I said it immediately on Saturday. I wanted them to just get off the field and let Oklahoma state score the touchdown. So that we'll grow to get the football back with plenty of time. Mike Gundy played that situation. Perfectly in the mountaineers ended up running out of time on the ensuing drive. What else you got Saturday? I can give you a couple more rice plus ten there at home against Old Dominion and Louisiana Monroe minus three they're at home big rivalry game against Lafayette, and that lines now to minus three and a half was at seventeen. I'm sorry. What was the second team? After rice Louisiana Monroe, minus three they're at home against Louisiana Lafayette that number's up to three and a half. And what I was gonna say is we haven't seen a whole lot of action yet from sharper players on the really high profile games. Like, Michigan, Ohio state. Yeah. Where things stand behind the counter there. I know you said you haven't had sharp action. What do you guys you guys try to position yourselves for a need on any? Game. Hey, most of the is on Michigan right now. I think that's gonna be what we'll see through the weekend until Saturday. But I think this number's about right? You know, we reopened this game the game of the year about three weeks ago, and we made it Michigan minus three and a half right now at Michigan minus four how stay was very lucky to win on Saturday. We all saw that. I mean, the Maryland they went for two they went for the win on a kid was wide open. Look like the quarterback just panicked and miss the throw. It's clearly the right call by Maryland's didn't work out for them. Now that an actual usage an act correct usage of going for the win. Yeah. It was a correctness. And it was a it was a great play call too. I mean, the guy was wide open that I feel bad for the quarterback. He probably makes that throw at least nine times out of ten. He probably just got so excited when he saw opened the guy was he he panicked and he missed the throw. Oh, stay was very lucky to survive that can. Yeah. I talked to one of my bosses a couple of weeks ago. We're just chatting football, whatever. And I'd mentioned that casually mentioned that Michigan can be favorite in that game or his favorite. And the look headline. He goes all they won't go off that way. And I was like I think they will. I think the way season unfolds. But it was it will go it was in passing. But yeah, no. It's it's the prising. See I think what is it fifty one straight games that Ojo state has been favored, I think that was the longest active streak. Oh, wow. Because they did go off favored by by one against whiskey when Cordell Jones the third stringer had to start. Remember that in the big ten to remember that that was the year that I bet Ohio State to win at all that year that was one of the all-time all-time lucky future bets. My life was Ohio State adamant like I want to forty five the one or something crazy. Oh, 'cause they lost early in the year Virginia Tech. And then they. Yeah. Yeah. They snuck back into the playoffs. They got in over TCU, which was pretty controversial to Baylor for that matter. Yeah. And then they beat Alabama. And they beat Oregon in the first college football playoff championship game. I do remember that and Oregon was I thought. Yeah. Oregon, I guess, I guess Oregon welcome but organ touchdown favorite. Oh, they were. They were like a touchdown is the last time to hire was not favored, I guess, it will they had Marcus mariota. They had. Well, they were a dog in the in the semifinal to Alabama. Right. That was the last time that was the last time. So crazy I had the over in that game. That was the fun part. I was at a party, and they were girls there the national semi final day in the game promising party game took forever. And then all the girls were stunned that there was a second game that night. Other still watching football. You idiots. Yeah. That's great. I don't like them play in the plan. These games on New Year's Eve. It's gotta be really tough on the east coast even on the west coast that second game goes until about almost eight thirty nine o'clock out here. So it's got to be close to midnight on the east coast, by the way that championship game against Oregon was in fact, the last time two thousand fifteen championship games last time. So it's fifty one straight games the longest active streak right now. We'll come to an end at the horseshoe at home mind, you which is kind of crazy with everything gets their bitter rivals. Michigan really should have won this game two years ago when they. Very questionable call by the official caused questionable. But you can't say it was wrong. Okay. I had a minute teaser meal. Okay. I thought that was I thought that was a terrible call you. Well, you know, the, you know, my bias towards coach Harbaugh. That's where I documented media. I love Jim Harbaugh. So I I was buys there. But I thought that was a very poor call. What do you think the first-half lines going to be for Bama Auburn? Oh, jeez. We haven't had to have that conversation this week with Alabama finally not covering a first-half. Take apply. Be what like fourteen fourteen and a half in that game. Yeah. I think you're gonna have to put the hook out there. Put the hook out there. You know? It was funny about the Alabama the citadel game on on Saturday. No one really bet the first half we only had it for brief periods. But at halftime everybody came in and took the twenty eight and a half on the second half line. How could you not? I thought that was the a very very very common bet we saw a lot of money coming on that misfield goal. They almost took the lead the BULLDOGS almost had the lead in the second half and Tuscaloosa, so if you played if you played football for the citadel this season, you're gotta be praying that Alabama wins out and wins the national championship. You'll be telling your grandkids about are you retired at halftime against them, of course. But I crimson tide fans. I expect him a role in first-half, I think savings going to push all the buttons. They're gonna be ready to rock. I can't disagree with that. And then we got the big Georgia game next week. But there's a lot of really good games this week. We we paid for last week man last week was brutal. Did you guys catch that air force Wyoming game? Lawrence on this. Yes. On bad beats last night is probably the year. He's talking about the all time I had no involvement in that game whatsoever. I just I saw the replay. It was like twenty seven to fourteen touchdown interception. Touchdown interception. And then the other team scored a touchdown. But there was a penalty they decline the penalty because they wanted to let them score. I and I wish I actually the right move down by one. But I don't think I've ever seen that a long touchdown with a penalty that they declined and said, no, no, no, we want you to have the touchdown. Oh my God. That's that's one of the worst beats. I I've said before like I try to be a tough guy act like I never shocked by any bad beats and football anymore. But that one was horrendous. If you had if you had that side air force was two and a half. I think was the line that is that was hysterical. It's right football decision. Let them score. Yeah. It is. But why didn't they? Just let them score on first or second down. That's what they don't only. Very they don't think of these that was very confusing to me. But in the end, they let them score. Which was the correct thing to do is their only chance to win. The game was to go down by eight. They don't think these things and in due time. They will look the biggest the biggest best comparison. I think I can make was the big shift with fouling up three. And you know, it's it's it's luck. Maybe you make a bucket to go up three. If that quick thinking about it. But in due time, though will be a shift where you see that more often than you'll see more players Fulla Todd Gurley. Yeah. No, it's early to the right thing. And they did the right thing to or I should say air force to the right thing. But man, I like the rest of them, but they're like, but it was a touchdown. Like, I know we're declining walk over and talk to them. But that was the best part how I'll caught off guard the referees were in for right? And for good reason that it was a unique move by the coach. Yeah. You know, when you do this for a long time, you feel like you've seen everything. And that's why it's hard to like really be like shook by bad beat. But I've never seen that before. There's something new you see something new every year. All right, man. Any other games? We wanna talk about. I like I like Notre Dame USC. I like I like the Irish pig here in my crazy. Yeah. Notre dame. Very impressive win on Saturday. I know a lot of it. Eric Dungy got hurt early in that game for Syracuse. But is very well coached team, a huge huge fan of Dino Baber 's there's a lot of money on both sides of that Notre Dame Syracuse game we had some big money coming on the over. So we actually did very well in that game here at the super book haven't seen much yet on this game. But I definitely think the money will come in on Notre Dame. And you know, I said this on another show. I think the best thing these two programs can do is have a gentlemen's agreement. Notre Dame wins they go to the college football playoff US loses. They get a real coach to take over that Trojans program. I think that's the best the best case scenario for both Notre Dame and UNC football programs. I as a US fan would concur. I mean, that's the best thing. They can do is USC. Just get dusted and let go. Oh, clay Helton and open up that coaching search that looks like it's going to be the best coaching job in the country this offseason, unless something happens with Ohio State and urban Meyer. I think USC will be the most desirable job on the open market. You don't think your guy Jim Harbaugh's on the hot seasoning more? I think the Michigan will keep coach around. You know, it was a funny thing. Everybody knew going into twenty seventeen Michigan was really young and everything was pointing towards twenty eighteen and then everybody acted shocked when they had that bad year never really made any sense to me. And I said that in the pre season this year, and this was the year that they were pointing to and obviously they're they've had a very successful year. They do need to get one more win though or else it's going to be considered disappointment. And Arbor, I think. Any other potential rollover spots. I think so you know, we saw some money come in on zuri. They're big. Yeah. That's a spot that makes sense scruple aid, Missouri, minus twenty one you're seeing this number more like in the twenty three range right now. And we saw somebody coming on Stanford Stanford there at UCLA they moved up from five and a half to six and a half UCLA coming off of the USC game. The previous week Stanford was supposed to play Cal last week. But that game got moved. So that that that actually that makes sense as well. All right. Let's talk some other sports and just a moment. But first word from one of our sponsors. These days you can get practically everything on demand like our podcast. Listen whenever you want. When it's convenient for you. Did you know you can even get posted on demand? All you need a stamps dot com with stamps dot com. 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And how's it been for you guys behind the counter? I think the most confusing teams Boston Boston right now. They're nine and eight and that's just it's shocking to me when you look at the death of that roster Brad Stevens. I think we all agree is an excellent coach, you know, they've got kyri Irving and Gordon Hayward back healthy this year. They're very difficult team to explain Golden State. It makes more sense. I mean, they they started losing a couple of games after Steph curry got hurt. So you can at least explain that one. I don't know what's going on with the Celtics right now. It's a good good point because they're such such cohesion. And they brought back so many big pieces. Now, they had the we've inquiry and Gordon Hayward, but we all have faith Brad Stevens will figure it out. But it is that I would agree with you there. That's the biggest. Surprise. And they've played hard schedule today that should be noted they they've played hard schedule. But it's still surprising for them to only be one game over five hundred through seventeen games is very surprising contender for that. Title would be the jazz being eight nine one game under five hundred. Yeah. And and I think the Spurs as well. The Spurs were team that we saw a lot of sharp guys betting them under. But the public was all over them over just thinking the Gregg Popovich would figure out a way to to win games there. But they already looked like a team to me that's running out of gas. And it's still very early in the season. I think they're really going to be up against it to make the playoffs in the Western Conference. I have to think that Houston will find their way into the top eight. Lakers are another team to the Lakers are gonna be right on that bubble of getting into the postseason in the west. Yeah. I like how they've sort of hit their stride. Lebron looks he's in shape now that I'm happy with them. I'm happy as a broad. You know, one of the guys that works here. Top top oddsmaker here. He's referring to the Braun pop. Pop and calling him an old, man. I watched some of the game on Sunday against the heat abroad. Look pretty good in that game. I don't know if abroad is capable of aging does he think he ages the way the rest of the I don't believe cyborgs do. But this ad salmon's. You know, he said he sees LeBron has more miles on his tires than any player in the history of the sport of basketball, and eventually has to run out of gas. But there seems to be no end in sight there. But I still think the Lakers are it's going to be close for them making the playoffs. They make a move. They make a move you. You do not have a yes. No prop on the warriors to the NBA title. He did last year. Right. Oh, you know, we opted not to do it this year. Just just didn't feel like doing that. Again. We did it the previous two years. But we still think the warriors will eventually once they get everybody healthy and they get into the playoffs the regular season is like the preseason for the warriors. So I wouldn't overreact too much to the small losing streak. Well, you're in the futures market. You have the warriors minus two hundred I would take the field there. I really would if I had I don't think there's value. But that's. I just don't know who can beat them. I mean, I don't think I mean the top contenders in the east. I think Philadelphia is gonna eventually probably pass Toronto Milwaukee with the addition of Jimmy Butler, and I think Boston will pull themselves together. But I just can't really picture those teams beating Golden State in the seven game series if everybody's healthy. Well a week ago. I said on the pod that I really liked the rockets that line steamed up close it for pick them opening line. They won't by twenty one. I think there's some. You know, you don't have to be Colombo here to figure out there. Some issues going on right now Steve curse explaining it and sharing that conceding it and no dream on green tomorrow. And the rockets excuse me, the warriors are minus one at home against the Oklahoma City thunder. I I don't see how the funder don't win that game. Yeah. In the rockets, Draymond green Draymond green is out for tomorrow. So no drain on. No, Steph curry you had on the rockets. I like them too. Just now that they've finally gotten rid of Carmelo Anthony, though was a disastrous decision that they made in the offseason, but they had the they had the ability to see that they were wrong and to correct that wrong. I respect when people do that right waiter. You like that on Twitter, I respect when people when people see that they're wrong about something. And they recognize it, and they correct it instead of just digging their heels in and going even deeper they were wrong, and they see that. And they've done the right thing though, in no need to die on the hill of Carmelo at this age, right? No, no need. Absolutely. I think the rockets are gonna see the rockets play a lot better here going forward. So I mean, the rockets been on a roll they've covered four straight, and including that win the blowout. Win over. The the warriors. The warriors have failed to cover five states of five straight losses against the number. And I think it continues. I wish I kept writing it was all about the Houston game. But I wish I kept writing it as they've lost outright in Dallas as a short favorite. And then as a small dog to San Antonio loss by dozen as only three point underdogs here. They're lane one. I like the thunder plus one not that oak cities fire on all cylinders. But I think that's a strong play. They're so much more the NBA coming up later, we get through the next holidays of Christmas days a big slate there. So we'll talk more NBA. See what happens with the warriors? Or of any other team makes a move. We saw Sixers as you mentioned got Butler Lakers could add a piece lots to be decided moving forward the rest of the way in the association, but it is nice to see Cleveland's back to being horrific. And it just reminds you how mazing LeBron was for that. The that franchise. It's remarkable. If you consider that he had them in a position where they should won game one of the NBA finals last season in Golden State and. Look at this team now without him. They're the worst team in the NBA two and thirteen doing thirteen. All right. So couple of things we're up against the clock. Let's talk about the big showdown in Vegas the duel in the desert, if you will pay per view on Friday at shadow creek, Phil Mickelson Tiger Woods where do you have tiger favored right now. Let's handle looking like Tigers, minus two dollar favorite here. Phil plus one seventy handle right now. I talked to Jeff Sherman about it earlier this week. He said right now, we've written about one one hundredth of what we wrote on may weather McGregor last summer. And and even with that most of that money is, you know, Jeff pays very close attention to the Gulf market. So he was moving this price as these guys were playing in other tournaments during the Gulf regular season. And so most of the handles just guys were scalping our price to other books that weren't paying coach close attention. It's jeff. So he said that maybe twenty five to thirty percent of that that handle that minimal handle is people actually just gambling on this event, which is to be expected. Right. I thought so, but you know, some of your colleagues at ESPN where they were telling us they thought this thing was gonna have million dollar bets and handle rivaling may were other McGregor. I'm not gonna name names 'cause I'm big fans of those guys. But we told him we try to tell them, you know, the biggest thing is the spot in the calendar. Right. I was gonna say in Vegas on the weekend Mayweather McGregor was in August. When there was nothing else going on this thing this tiger. Phil thing is on paper view. A on a Friday right in the middle of college football, NFL NBA, college basketball, there's way too much going on. And it's just not gonna. It's not gonna do big business. Let's say that what has more handle tiger, Phil? We're Tedo Chuck right now tiger, Phil. But by the time, we get to Saturday might be Tito, Chuck we've had guys coming in here. Asking to make really large bets on that fight shocking to me. I I told the guys here. I don't really wanna get into a big position on that fight. I think it's kinda hard to project, you know, chocolate. Dell hasn't won a fight since December of two thousand seven he hasn't fought since June of two thousand ten he's gonna be forty nine years old next year next month, excuse me next month. So you have to think logically that Tito Ortiz is gonna win. But Tito Ortiz is an old man to he's well past prime. I wouldn't put it past chocolate. Del just flash knock out and take him out in the first round. But the handle has been shocking for that fight. We've we've seen a lot of money come in both ways already. I'll tell you what position to be in. You should want to. L is not gonna win that fight. I'm sorry. I it's just hard to imagine the chocolate del his age could possibly be Tito Ortiz. I've talked you Ortiz to I've talked to enough people. See Tito beat jail Sonnen last year. I think yeah. He'd beat him in January of two thousand seventeen he beat teams. Bill. So do you know where has been actively fighting in built or up up two years ago? But that's a lot more active and Chuck with L chuckled house last fight was June of two thousand ten got knocked out by rich Franklin, and that was his last fight in the US seen the workout video Chuck. Yeah. I saw it. He's not playing possum there. It's. You're probably right. I mean, you gotta think we have Tito right now, minus two seventy five Tito should win the fight. But I'm not gonna say that you should rush out to lay almost three hundred on something and event like this. I was cage side for both of the first two ones. And I won a lot of money on Chuck the second one, I know what it's like to have that. Right. Just fist clinched dangling waiting to unload, but that was like fifteen years ago. It was not like fifteen years ago it was teen years ago after. I think it was like two thousand eight a decade ago. No Ladele last fight was in was a sub yesterday was December seven I mean, this guy. I'm sorry. Last win excuse me. Was it to vote? I don't think. So I think it was somebody else think it was Vanderlei Silva if I recall correctly. I'm looking at up. But I look at check. My guys are old. You're right. All right. So the nice nice thing about Wikipedia is that keeps looking shot is delay Silva unanimous decision, and I don't know the date here. Oh, yeah. December two thousand seven you're right. So the last time he beat Tito was two thousand six so almost twelve years ago. I was there. That's a pretty long time. That was right after I moved out here shortly after I moved out here. And then he lost five of the next six fights. I was just a ticket writer back. The last time check with one five. And now, you're derived changed, Mr. direct. Yeah. All right. Well that wraps it up for us. Great stuff is always busy busy. I gotta do one very quick shot. I cried about my alma mater, West Virginia. But I got shot up my high school Gonzaga college high school in Washington DC, they beat the Matha at a WCTC championship game on Sunday night on a hail Mary. Touchdown pass sophomore quarterback Caleb Williams too wide receiver. John Marshall to beat the damalf stags number one play on sportscenter. ESPN already shouted it out. I gotta shout out to the purple eagles. Huge win WCS's champs. What was the line in the game? I think I hear Jay calling me to my next meeting. I gotta run boy. All right. My man. We'll yes props to you. Brown was not as successful in the northern championships with a spot to go the final go the NCAA tournament. So it happens. But I'm glad you're al-matar did produce on the on the field of play my high school all the modern day. Let's see if the college one can get it done on Friday against the sooner sounds good, but eight safe travels, happy thanksgiving preciado, all your efforts this week to get this done boy settled thanksgiving. Thanks John Murray at the west gate, and of course, Phil Steele with his five place and Murray chipping in with his place from behind the counter KYW, any confessions of non gambler. Doug. I do not have any confessions of non gamut. But I do have a little question for you. Maybe a little wager that we can do. Okay. Are you betting on Shukla Bill trying to beat up on econom- stumbling all over the place in the bonanza? No, no, no, no, not this is football related. Okay. But I get the feeling you're betting on chocolate though. Yes. No, no, Tito. Oh, you're betting on Cedo. Yes. Okay. Never mind is the play. Okay. Okay. Because I was going to say if Chuck Ladele loses can we get you to rock Chuck Ladele mohawk? It should it should be Chuck wins. I should have to do that. No. I will not I will not roll the dice in that way. Just because I have a career. True. You know, just just a little TV good. Yeah. Again, if if he were fighting like a current stud then. Yeah. Would I would these are two old guys? But I think look the numbers high. But I would still lay it laid it it's every I talked to in the space feels it's a very very good play. So Tito Tito is the is the bet there on that one. So guy your head in New Jersey tomorrow. I am. Yeah. All right, man. We'll save travels to you. I'll be around all weekend. Thanks doing some TV hits in some radio hits. 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"Carello everybody you're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold. Dr. Pepper mission where every day is Saturday in everyone's a fan, even babies and the seasons never change because the only season is college football season get a taste of fans Ville this fall during a college football game near you Dr Pepper, the official Drake, a fans Ville grab some today. This is campus conversation. Now here's your host, match, shake, if an all studio, Thursday edition of the campus conversation podcast matchstick here Ryan McGee also here in this Charlotte studio wearing his marvel t shirt because that's what was in his closet today. Hey, mcghie hey, it's actually it's all as look to. It's either captain America or Darth Vader that'll be on mardi McGee tonight been on what kind of mood I'm in. Yes, SEC network. That's right. What time? Seven. Eastern nine. Nine eastern. And then and then it rears like roughly seventeen time, perpetuity. And that's fine. I have no problem with that. That's good. Nice to see you shaved as well. I haven't bread. He has not spoiler alert, Brad Edwards is in our Bristol studios. Brett. Yeah, we're, we're not allowed to wear t. shirts in Bristol. Well, there you got your fault. You should hit the road with us connect the dots as to why McGee it lives in Charlotte. We've got a lot to get to Nissan Kelly, Brian to a tongue of Loa, Dixieland delight weaknesses for some of the top six teams, and we'll fill in some blanks. Plus Phil Steele will be with us as well. Let's get out of the tunnel. Time to come out of the tunnel on campus conversation. We begin though with some Pac twelve news and Pac twelve officiating news. The store from Yahoo sports, illustrating some ineptitude and some shadiness in Pac twelve officiating, at least in the advisement of a targeting call or two in a recent game USC in Washington state back on September twenty. First, it was a Friday night game on ESPN. Remember watching this for my luxurious Bristol, Connecticut, hotel room getting set for game day the following day sitting there watching it with my face of sausage pizza, and just watching it going while how is that a targeting call? The play was a a player. Logan Tago, Washington state linebacker. Diving headfirst initiated helmet to helmet contact on JT Daniels who had already taken a knee. Essentially kind of giving himself up and they did not call targeting. They reviewed it. It appeared to be, but then they reviewed it and said, no, it was not. Now, Yahoo sports comes out and says that essentially it was a third party who was Pac twelve general counsel and senior vice president of business affairs woodie Dixon who even after those who are part of the command center said, this is targeting. He said, no, it's not. And he was essentially the tiebreaker even though there was no tie. Everyone else said two plus two was four. He said, it's five. They went with the five and there was no targeting called on that play. There was another play with Puerto Guston that looked like targeting a gardener Minhsiu the quarterback for Washington state that was not ruled as such McGee the Pac twelve just can't get out of its own way especially when it comes to officiating officiating. Very important part of your, your family and your upbringing. What do you make of this story here with the Pac twelve. So officially because of something I wrote a. Years ago, I'm not supposed to be in contact with active football officials. However, as you can imagine, I woke up this morning to a lot of texts from retired officials from current officials from a at least for one conference coordinator in everybody is so angry about this because rule number one is you make the call that you believe is the correct call and nothing changes that some gown row. One with the gun doesn't change that some coach doesn't change that and certainly not general counsel. God never heard of until last night doesn't change that. And so somebody somewhere caved in. And so the CSI on this is going to be painful. And so, yeah, I mean, listen, the Pac twelve officials, and you guys know just because bloodlines, I don't bang on officials unless there's an absolute reason to do it, and this is bad and they have had a hard. They've had a rough, go of it anyway. They don't have. The greatest reputation in the world. And this is, I mean, again, this is rule. Number one is nothing outside of the eight men on the field, the guy in the replay booth, and you know, and the eye in the sky. If there's a centralized HQ you know, at the conference office knowing outside of that, that tree right there changes anything. And so yes, bad and more than one person probably will lose her job for this. Remember Pac, twelve Commissioner, Larry, Scott issued a statement. He issued a statement, Yahoo, sports, denying, there was a third party involved. But remember he issued statements about as well about the the review process and it just it just didn't make Larry Scott look, very good. When this initially came out with the internal report was written by Gary Mack. Mick nanna is I read from the sports article. He's the replay fischel in the booth that night. And in the report he wrote up, he said. Both the replay booth and the command center agreed. This was a targeting foul. But unfortunately, a third party did not agree. So the targeting was removed and we went with the ruling on the field with no targeting. So it was roughing the passer with no targeting. He wrote it like that on purpose. Yes. And that was a, that was a, that was a expressed that was pointed way of phrasing and he finished with this, didn't play well on TV reversed my stoppage for targeting to not targeting. So he said she said eight my deal. No, as aim ideal TV agreed with me, I'm I'm ticked off. He got in the Gaza on the field. Don't argue the replay gas. So somebody somewhere. Again to see us island. This is going to be fascinating because he's living. He's letting the world know and whoever got this into the hands of Pete yahu. They're letting the world know. All right. This is how this went down because we're not. We're not going to be embarrassed on national television, you know, because of again, some guy that nobody ever heard of he family who sports, Brad, what do you think here? My initial reaction would be it. It just sounds like a minor league operation going on there where you know where where people can kind of circumvent the rules at their discretion and stuff like I think it would be a would have. I think it would have been a bigger deal if it had gone in favor of USC because then you would have all sorts of conspiracy theories developing that the conference is trying to protect the marquee program and all the stuff that would go along with that. And I think that would be an even bigger mess than than what we have right now. And the worst hit was actually Puerto gust in when he hit Gardner Minhsiu. It was helmet to helmet and there was no. No targeting call on that one either. And that was even more agreed just so interesting. Interesting stuff there as the Pac twelve. Again, this is just four years after a supervisor of officials resigned mid season in the Pac twelve. So they're trying to turn the page on on that. But this does not do them any favors as such. By the way, the Pac twelve likely to be left out of the plow. Things aren't going very well for the league that is not breaking news. Some other stories for you, Kelly Bryant, former quarterback at Clemson reports are out that he plans on taking an official visit to North Carolina. This weekend. Hope. It's not too rainy for him when he gets your sixteen in to record as a Clemson starter. McGee, how can someone take a visit to North Carolina when you don't even know if that's going to be the coach that's going to be coaching you next year? Well, maybe it's because the coach is trying to convince everyone that he gets to stay. Right. I mean, listen, they are. They are literally about to cut the ribbon on a a fantastic brand new facility that was supposed to be ready for the season and it wasn't. And if you know one of the first things you do at that new Casilda is show around the guy who's been wearing you out for the last couple of years then. Yeah, that's, you know, that's that's not a bad. It's not a bad statement to make. If you're a coach, he's trying to save his, but I bet it's like a good recruiting class. Look at what I got me. They're all gonna walk around building with come on, man. You really why you scraping my name off the champion. I'm walking around on dude. Yeah, even if everybody wasn't complaining about Larry fedora and some people calling for his job, some people would still ask the question. Why are you looking at North Carolina? Dude. And but but I think what we have to start with when it comes to the situation. Is that he doesn't. He doesn't have any. Why shouldn't say he doesn't have any interests. His priority is not to play for championships if it was he would have stayed at Clemson, right? I mean, this is all about playing time and whether it's just a and to have fun with one more season of college football, I'm gonna go somewhere where I know I can start or whether it's trying to find a system that you think is going to develop you best for a chance at the NFL, whatever it may be. I think that it's pretty clear that Kelly Bryant's number one concern here is not trying to get a ring or a trophy because he wouldn't have left if that was if that was the thing that was most important to him at this stage. Well, he's also, I mean, he's from Piedmont. I mean, he's from stay South Carolina. So so I guarantee you part of that too, is he's gonna look at places that are close to home and you know he'll get a fight. If you try to go somewhere, he ain't gonna get a South Carolina. Awesome that he's not. But the point is, is that I also think he's going to look within driving distance for his family because you know they, they are very spoiled. They've had him in the backyard now for a long time, and sometimes we forget that that's a big factor, a rumour Russell Wilson, talking about that when he went to Wisconsin part of the question he had about Wisconsin was to his family. Like, can you get to the games like you could get to Raleigh? And so I think that's that's a legit concern for a for him. So yeah, and you know, it is a nice building. Have one look in another part of this is that if you are going to go within the ACC, you'd probably rather not go in the same division as Clemson, and I don't know whether North Carolina plays Clemson next year they might not. And so that could be a part of it too. He might wanna stay in the conference, stay in the general area close to home, but not go somewhere like NC state where you're going to have to play against your former teammates when I'm assuming he was recruited pretty heavily by North Carolina. I'm not. I'm not a recruiting specify any point, but by any stretch but out, assume he has relationships within that building anyway. So yeah, it's it makes sense. They're just not good. They are not breaking. You have breaking news, Josh. I just hope that it makes look interested that the problem right has when North Carolina loses control in the second third quarter, he looks like he's reading. He's like, you almost like go play golf, like he looks like he doesn't go get a lift in seriously seen a guy, more muscular, less interest. He's like, man, doll want to go down too quick trip gets red bull because I'm bored out here by the way. Clemson does visit Chapel Hill. Next. KOMO now aren't Kelli Kelli man. You want revenge Dez Bryant right now I wanna boom. In the NFC brab you'll be there doing radio, you know up there. Actually, if you're gonna play, Clemson might as well do it after all those d. lineman of left. Right. That is true. Well, listen, man, you, you can't. You can't overstate how difficult it is to win it. Keenan. You couldn't help. Well, all everybody hates me. Anyway. Somebody would just add to, I mean, everytime but he was, you got a lot. You got a lot a lot going on in your life. All right, so so that is trees. Good. Save McGee so that that's what's going on with Kelly Bryant. They've been looking for an answer since all the way back when Mitchell Trubisky was quarterback. A couple of years ago, Brandon Harris, Nathan, Elliott, see what they get. If if Brian decides to stay close to home other quarterbacking news to a tongue of Loa. Nick Sabin announcing yesterday that his knee is having minor issues probably not much of a concern. But Nick Sabin says is there's a minor sprain knee. He was able to take all the first team reps a practice, but wearing a brace. I mean, I, it doesn't seem to be if savings telling you it can't be that big of a deal. Right. That's all we got. Right. That's I mean, it's it's like Drago and rocky four. He bleeds, he sprained ankle. Oh no. He didn't go down with an injury last week against Arkansas, but he did come back on the field to start a series with a brace on his knee and TV picked it up and they were talking about it, but they didn't seem to be any change in his play with with a knee brace on last week. So I'm guessing it's no big deal. If anything, maybe you just tell them, don't run the ball this week, so so there you go, Missouri defense. That's one less thing that prepare for is the to Iran, which he didn't do that often. Anyway, safe to say to did not get hurt in the fourth quarter, say, say he might have gotten hurt, like going to get some Gatorade, unlock. Very seriously. Yeah. Strain myself opening up the fridge in the locker room that well and oh, no. What would they do if to was hurt? Oh, wait. He's the holder on extra point. So that's a bunch of extra plays each game that he's, he's having out there. What about that need? Can he'd bend down? Can he put his knee on the ground to do extra point? This is something, oh, man. This is getting bigger woman if only they had a quarterback who almost won two national championships so they could bring in, you know what? When you have an injury to the holder, that's one more excuse not to attempt extra points and field goals, which for Alabama, all you're looking for is one more excuse not to send the kicker out there. That's probably why saving announced that didn't you hear? That's why we didn't pick anything. I heard what I said about two. So two is injury, quote, unquote. Nothing to see here sensually, but it does kind of beg the question. As you look through some of these top teams. Let's go through these unbeatens here at the top Brad. Give me the biggest concern for Alabama. Maybe something that'll keep saving up at night or something. Could derail the season internal or external? What is it for the time when the biggest concern would be if to ahead a season ending injury, but I think we could go there for a lot of teams starting quarterback. So let let's go more realistic, which is defense. Now, what I'm about to say is all relative to Alabama. People need to understand this, but Alabama's rush defense. And we talked before the season about all the the new starters they had and even save an alluded to it before the first game there was probably going to be a different type of team because there was a reasonable expectation. The defense wouldn't be as good as as it normally is. And we've we've seen that play out. They have been spotty and rush defense, not say they've been bad, but they've not been the brick wall that teams typically run into when they try to rush against Alabama. There have been some busted assignments in the secondary here and there, and you saw quite a few of them last week against Arkansas. And so d. Defense is a concern. I think also depth is a concern. I think it most positions on Alabama's defense the gap between the starter and the backup is bigger than it typically is. And so there are a few spots where the starter were to be injured, it could be more of a cause for concern than what they already have. And then I can't believe believe I'm going to say this, but. Alabama doesn't have Alabama talent on defense on top of everything else. It's possible guys that there may only be one or two future. First round. NFL draft picks on that defense. That's that's. That's tough. I mean, they went to bed. Went to, and there might only be like eight or nine of them ended up getting drafted. So I mean, when you got to play with that type of talent, I, what are you going to do amazing that he's let that program backslide as much as he had. That's just five years ago. We joke would just five years ago, six years ago. We were like. And the offense offense. Football's kind of passing them by now. You know, they, they don't. You know, maybe he's just not ready for where football is going comes to score points and now now is no, but the biggest concern is and it's what he keeps trying to tell us, which is, you know hearing about how great you're, yeah. What about not being tested? Is that already use? It must be. I think the absolute something to that. I remember when Oklahoma played Florida in the BCS championship game was, oh eight. Oh nine. Oh, eight. And in that year they'd scored with Bradford. Plus points a game and really hadn't been there. And then all the sudden win. They got smacked in the mouth a little bit or couldn't get the offense going after six weeks off or whatever it was in the first half decide line was panicked. And so, yeah, I think there's absolutely something to when you haven't been pushed. And I, I think that no one listens Sabin doesn't want to have to go for two to win a game, but he would like to, I think, find an excuse to keep to into game past five minutes into the third what you're saying about the competition. That's whenever I look at Alabama defensive stats. I always filter out the second half, it's complete garbage time and they've lost intensity and all that as much as saving doesn't like them to lose intensity. It's human nature. So I only look at the first half, but even in the first half, like I said, that rush defense has been spotty. Now, the one thing I need to say to cap off all of this Alabama still ranks. Third in the nation, defensive efficiency. They're just not. I like they normally are so Bama problems. I mean. In the first half in terms of their scoring, what would they be top thirty nationally in terms of full game scoring if they just stopped at half, that's that's kind of. Yeah, yeah. For offensively. Yeah, yeah. Trayvon digs out. All they do is bring in Patrick's tan, number one corner in the last class. So I think you expect them to be okay. What about Georgia McGee would say, what's a concern here for George seemed to be some concerns percolating. There are no one's talking about. I mean, I'm going to LSU on Saturday and we were writing for sports center that will run on Saturday morning and the whole thrust of it is, you know, I- next four weeks or next four games over five weeks, this kind of it, you know, and Georgia fans are upset because they've heard about Bama. They've heard about Oklahoma, they've heard about Texas. They've heard about, you know, West Virginia, Ohio State, you know, Notre Dame, take your pick and what I've said to them. All right. It's coming and now over the for the next five weeks, whether at LSU the got the world's largest, whatever we call that game now. And then you know, Kentucky, which is at Kentucky and which is not what game used to be. And in the Auburn game four top twenty. Fifteen as it stands. Yeah. So so do what do do what you need to do over the next four games and then we'll start talking about you, but the concert lists I've said all along, I felt like they would take a little bit of a step backward in two thousand eighteen but set themselves up for the next fifteen years. But you can't lose the two running backs. They lost to the greatest in the history of the program, which is one of the greatest runabout programs of all time and not take a little bit of a step back and roquan Smith. Yeah. So I think there was inevitable. They're going gonna take a little bit of a step back. I think the playoff or there's certainly could be in the SEC championship game is still the favourite win the west, but they're not as impenetrable as it were a year ago. The thing is their their defense has actually been really good. The surprising thing is that the offense is where it seems to have dropped off a little bit, not a ton. I mean, they're, they're numbers are still pretty good. I was. I was looking at this this week that Georgia on third. Down in what we would call obvious passing situations of five yards or more to go has been dreadful. I mean, Jake from and I'm not putting this on him because I think the protection has a lot to do with it, but his QBR on third and long last year ranked eighth nationally. This year is one hundred twenty eight. Okay. Now it's a small sample. They're only twenty five plays. They've had this year the fall into that category. He's been sacked on five of those twenty five plays and he fumbled on three of those five sacks. In addition to that, he's thrown two picks in those situations in. So if you're Georgia and I'm not saying this is the week that it's going to, you know that that it's going to become a factor. But at some point over these next few games, you mentioned all those ranked opponents. If someone can slow down Georgia's running game enough to get them consistently in third and long, they're having an issue protecting from because he's getting hit a lot more than did a year ago. Well, in the last game and they was coal Kubilay who who brought it up this week that they finished the game with. A few first and second year starters on that offense of line. So there are some questions they finished that Vanderbilt game. So we'll see I, I've got a buddy who's a die hard. Georgia fan watches every play lives in dies with every snap, and he made the observation. He watches more Georgia football than I do. I can't dedicate the same time that he can Georgia, but he said he wondered if from watching it that Georgia is not playing as quick ofensive -ly to save their defense a little bit. Because if you look at it Brad, when Georgia has had to score, they scored like when they have to, they do whether it was Tennessee, Missouri, Vanderbilt, they'd come out of the gates blow in South Carolina way. So you wonder if there is something to that that they're just not playing as fast and his as and which doesn't allow them to get into as much rhythm because maybe Kirby, at this point is going look, I I don't wanna wear out my defense. I just wanna get to the mid point of the season. Now maybe we'll see the real Georgia. You know, I made the comment of somebody. Day that I think that at least myself, I'm, I'm personally guilty this. I don't know if you guys would say the same thing, but, but I'm trying to hold everyone to the standard that Alabama has set for domination this year. And I was finding myself being critical of Georgia for the last three games against Missouri, Tennessee and vandy not really pulling away until the second half now at no point that I ever think they were in danger of losing and it occurred to me what Georgia's doing this year is what Alabama has done the last ten years, which is that the defense is strong from the start. The offense kind of slops around takes a while to find its footing, and then they eventually put the pedal down at the end of the third quarter, you look up and you're like, and it's games over, why did I ever think this was in doubt? And like I said, that's what Alabama has been doing for ten years, and we've called it dominance. And now Georgia's doing and it's like, oh, man, you sure they're any good like, you know. So I think it's a as a matter of perspective and George. Has still, I believe they've trailed for all of one play this season, so they're they're doing. All right. All right. There were few other teams that I certainly want to get to, but we'll save on those in terms of weaknesses. We hit on Bama we hit on Georgia, really? What else is there? Let's fill in some blanks. Because what ball week? Seven. Here I will say a sentence with the word left out or phrase, and you can fill it in Brad blank will win the Pac twelve south carefully USC. And I say that because of the schedule, I think Utah is the best team in the south, but the schedule works out for USC because they don't play Washington and they don't play Oregon. They already have one conference loss and they have to go to Utah. And I think they'll lose that game. But I believe that when all said and done with two conference losses, USC will end up winning the south. Wow. Well, it'd be a USC hosting Colorado this week. That's a big one by the way, yes, some Colorado numbers for me that are no good. I yeah, I do so. So a couple of days ago on the podcast you were having an issue with Colorado, not being very likely to go undefeated I guess is a kind way to say it FBI with. Twenty thousand simulations. Only three of them. Did Colorado run the table that fraudulent power? Yes. So yesterday the simulations rerun everyday. So yesterday I checked it again for you and yesterday was only one of twenty thousand simulation. So you're telling me there's a chance. So I checked it again this morning for you just because I, I'm diligent about this stuff and today it was two of twenty thousand simulations so that they're getting worse. These things run all day long night, like any. I need to go behind the curtain is about this is just about four o'clock every morning. We run twenty thousand simulations of the season. And so if so, if you ever looked at f. b. FBI on a daily basis, you would notice that these numbers change very, very slightly, like by decimal points because they re simulated every day. You know, I had noticed that. Check it every day, but I don't. I didn't check it every I think to start checking four zero to computer. What are you saying about Colorado prognosis? Bad McGee is Michigan. If Michigan loses to Wisconsin, Jim Harbaugh, we'll be. He'll still have his job. I don't know. He'll he'll still be wearing khakis on what to tell you. These going anywhere. He, he's, he's gonna be angry, Ew. We're going to have more means. Do we still do means? But we knew memes. Yeah, but I mean, we're still going to. We're going to have when you Google Harbaugh. Now, most of the images that come up are of him screaming and more zones. Yeah, but at the end of the day, he's he's fine. He's fine to be eliminated from the playoff on October thirteenth. No good. It's not good at all. I'm not saying is good. I'm just saying that he like you said it was great. It's it's great. Yeah, it's fantastic. No, I just is he's gonna. He will not have lost his job. I don't know what to say. I didn't meet. Beck you to say fired. I meant like he'll be disappointed. He'll be under the microscope coach. What will you be? Am bitterly disappointed. That's it. That's that's probably at least it wouldn't be a loss to arrival. Well, that's just it. That's true. If he, I don't know that this game matters as much because if he were to just win one of the of the to beat Michigan state or beat Ohio State, you know, just when one of those two, I think you'll you'll be okay. Brad, West. Virginia has a blank chance of running the table. FBI says two percent, and I think that's about right. You know, it's all about the schedule, right? Say USC, brutally, and you look at this now, let's keep in mind this perspective here last week, West Virginia. At home. Turn the ball over four times. Will Greer turn the ball over four times and was sacked five times by Kansas. So you look at that remaining schedule and you tell me that you have great confidence in this team that they're not going to lose once somewhere along the way because keep in mind if they went all these games, one of those teams, they'll have to beat again in the big twelve championship game to go undefeated there. There is one game left on that schedule where I would say yeah, west Virginia's definitely going to win. Now, that's home against Baylor. Every other game, I think there's at least a, you know, there's a realistic chance they could lose. They are ranked sixth and that is a byproduct of preseason rankings. Yeah. And they don't. They don't get me wrong. Verifying their at least five teams better than them. No, no, this is West Virginia. Does they check out? They check out mentally for usually about two weeks in the middle of the season. It's usually about right now twice. I have flown the Morgantown when they're six or seven. Oh, whatever. Knowing they're about to lose one. And so that just is what it feels like right now, but listen. But if you're going to check out mentally do it against Kansas. Right? Because you're right. You don't want to do because in November the us the great, so they they have to survive October to get last Saturday. They would've lost anyone else in the conference. Yep. They put pick the right time to play that game. Speaking of Kansas McGee Kansas head coach, David Beatty fires, his offensive coordinator, Doug Meacham. The next college coach to be fired. We'll be Jim, Harbaugh thick. We just we just say that. Who'd you said that right next question? No, I listen. I think that looking at the bottom ten, I mean, there's a lot of obvious ones there, and we're already like I in if you're the bottom ten guy, which I am. There's a lot of drama at Texas State right now near the sent out the the always got Georgia Southern this week. Yeah, the always not great vote of confidence, Email to all the alumni, something listen more than likely it's going to come from that group, but among the power, five schools. I mean, we talked about North Carolina earlier, and I really think that everything Larry fedora is doing right now doesn't have so much to do with the next game as it does with him trying to make sure that he gets to stay for the next game. As Commissioner, the bottom ten, you have to look for letters of votes of confidence from eighties, like from Texas, the Texas State drama. I wish enough people cared. So that could write like a big story about what all's going down there. It is freaking believable. But anyway, that's that's the world I live in Brad. If I'm a Notre Dame fan and we run the table. My worst nightmare is blank. Is being the four seed and having to play Alabama. Notre Dame only one time in the last twenty four years has finished a regular season ranked in the top four and they had to play Alabama and the national championship game, and it wasn't just any Alabama team. It was the best offensive, Alabama team that Nick Sabin has had up until this year. And so if they draw Alabama again, the two best. Notre Dame teams in the last twenty five years would have had to take on the two best Alabama teams. I, if you're not gonna argue the two best at the very least the two best offensive teams that Alabama has had under Nick Sabin. And so sometimes it's all about the draw really good story right now, and he's dot com by Notre Dame and the and the guy that wrote it is so good looking as he shade. No shave. I thought you were going to say wrote a note events. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, dot, you're gonna say a one loss, Georgia would be the worst nightmare, but I get you. I get what you're saying. They're not going to left up to two more getting left out. They're not being left up McGee over the next four games, Georgia. We'll go blank and blank three one. I don't know which one are gonna lose, but but I think they lose one having having that by week leading into the world's largest, whatever we call it now. That's that's not a small thing, Brad, if they lose a game, knowing that they've got Alabama and the SEC championship game, they're done right. Well, they'd have to beat Alabama. That's what I'm saying. They'd have to no one's teaching, Alabama. Czar has declared it ever. George. It's over, can't afford to lose a regular season game because then they'll be eliminated from the playoff in the SEC championship game you, you don't wanna go. You don't want to go into a game against Alabama, we must win. Yeah. Then they'd be damning Atlanta, Colorado gets into the playoffs and and Brad and chick Throwdown in the ring, Brad LSU will finish the regular season with blank losses for. I would say eight and four at this point losing to Georgia, Alabama, and at am I'm going to give them the Mississippi State win right now, but tell you what, what I saw in Gainesville last week, the way that that Florida was able to run the ball and LSU without much of a threat of the past. That's that's pretty much Mississippi state's offense except they run it better than Florida does. So. Seven and five is not outside the realm of possibility, but I'm going eight and four. I haven't gone to these quickly. Here McGee short term. I'd give chip Kelly a letter grade of blank, but in the long-term, he's destined for a blank. It was gets enough. Are there terror gay, long trip, but no long term. I think that long term, I believe that he will have a beat, I think. And I wrote this before the season started. It's the perfect place to hide right out in the open. If he was anywhere else right now, we would be much making a much bigger deal out of this in in Los Angeles. That'd be making much big deal out of this, but they're not because it's UCLA football and they kind of all weighed on bad things to happen. So they're just willing to stay the course. I really think you could quietly build something this is for both of you Dion. Sanders son Shiloh got an offer from Florida state hashtag. What took so long. He's an ESPN three hundred corner. The best multi generational college football family not named manning is blank. It has to be the Matthews family. Because it's not just father, son. I mean you're going grandfather three generations and their two branches of the tree. I mean, you've got the the clay Matthews family in the Bruce Matthews family. So I go, good luck coming up with someone who's going to have more rate ball players in that family. Klay, junior, Br, and the cocoa the punt punting cope with Tennison said. Tennison said they gotta be another one coming up pretty soon. Right. That's right. Really thought you'd you'd go gronkowski there. 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Let's keep it rolling here. Now I did see a listen to behind the bench or the bear and Stanford Steve. They both love Boston College this week that you know what they say when there's like three betters and they all go for the same team. It's not going to happen. So tell me, are you with them? Boston College, laying the thirteen and a half against a little. And I understand that logic completely mad and when I look at it, yeah, I got Boston colleges week as well. You know, this is a team that frankly has been performing under what my expectations for the season. You look at the produce game. The first game they were ranked. They came out and and late in in that one got past temple by ten but needs a late touchdown. Then last week was down big dense. He stayed and then needed a late comeback to to only lose that one by five, but they're taking a struggling Louisville team. So Louisville teamed at almost can't get out of its own way. At this point, the struggling to throw the football Patrick pass his six touchdown passes seven interceptions their top running back or top rushers. Actually a quarterback Lee Cunningham is not playing top running back on the as hundred thirty seven yards. And the big question Mark for BC is AJ Dylan, but I think Boston College is far superior at the line of scrimmage, both on the offensive line and the defensive line. They've got eighteen sacks this year. Louisville's defense has got six. On the season and BC is team, I think is gonna make some noise in the second half of the year off a disappointing loss. I like BC at home and I'd probably take a lot of teams right now against Louisville. Remember the last time they went to Virginia. They lost that one by twenty four a couple of weeks ago. Phil, I'm going to be that was just at Notre Dame couple of weekends ago and I'm a big guy and so I've seen how state of seen Notre Dame. We're gonna see the LSU enjoyed it this weekend. I am so impressed with the book, but Notre Dame isn't just about him, but there is a lot of trepidation at this point because everybody's someone how great Notre Dame is. They have struggled with pit in this position before in the past. What do you see this weekend? Yeah, and it's it's definitely not going to be Notre Dame's a game. They do have a bye next week, which helps. But coming off those two big games like that, you can't play three big games like that in a row. However, as you touched on, this is a very impressive Notre Dame and since he and book has been inserted, they've got fifty six thirty eight forty five points and also getting back Dexter. Williams was huge office suspension. We're talking about eight point nine yards per carry in two games defensively that front four can put pressure on a quarterback without having the blitz. They've got fifteen. Eighteen sacks on the year. The back seven looks strong as well, and the special teams is even good. So this is really a complete Notre Dame team. When I look at Pitt they do have to quality running backs, Allison and holler both guys that can hurt you both averaging six point five yards per carry, but Kenny pick. It hasn't lived up tech speculations. When I talked to coach doozy in the spring of was very high on, but pick it's only hitting sixty. One percent six five ratio hasn't even topped two hundred yards passing in a game. They've been relying on the ground game and I don't think you can beat this Notre Dame defensive front, seven, just running the football. I think Notre Dame can't take that away force. Pick at the pass. That'll be a plus. And on the flip side of the coin, you know pits allowing four point eight yards per carry. So I think in these able to establish to run and then they can also take it down field. So even though it's not a great situation, I still think the Irish are the far superior team. They've got a by next week. I'll take the Irish in and lay the three touchdowns in that one Bill. I think we've seen enough at this point to recognize it Michigan. State is not as good as a lot of people thought they would be coming end of the season, but there's something inside of me that just believes at some point this season, they're going to play up to that potential that everyone saw and they're going to knock off one of these contenders in the big ten. I don't know which one it's going to be. So my question to you, what are the chances that happens this weekend with Sparty at Penn State? That's a big number was fourteen. Yeah, for ten. Fourteen points at one. And you know this, this is the first time all year, Brad, that Michigan state's been and underdog in, isn't that tear preferred role? You know, you tell Michigan state. They're great. Tell their favourite. They don't play very well, but put them in that underdogs role and all of a sudden they play well. Now, Brian work is not come anywhere near what I thought he would be this year. Six touchdown passes six interceptions on the year. And remember last year he was a dynamic runner. In fact, his running was a big part of the offense. Five hundred sixty two yards this year is only run the ball for fifty two yards. So sort of Brian, the work of the main. Thing on offense, whereas his numbers of way down from last year. Now in the underdog role, you know, dantonio get the chip on the shoulder. They'll be fired up for this game and the probably played her best game. And the one thing that has held true all season for Michigan state is an amazing, rush defense. I mean, they're just giving up thirty four yards per game on the ground. One point, three north western didn't even bother trying. They just said, you know, we can't run the ball. We're gonna throw the ball forty, seven times. I don't think Penn State's gonna develop that philosophy, and I don't think Penn State's gonna get their normal, accustomed to hundred and fifty yards. Rushing here because Michigan state has a legitimate rush defense. I do think Penn State's better team playing better right now in that home, but taken fourteen points here with Michigan state. I, I agree with you, one hundred percent. I think there's going to be a game or two does. This season goes, our Michigan state rises up in place of that level. And I think they take this one right down to the wire. Phil, let's stick in the big ten Wisconsin goes to Michigan for some reason that keep clinging and fighting for this one loss Michigan team that they've got a shot to make the playoff. I don't know. Fits their defense or shape. Patterson finally, coming around, I'm not sure, but I'm buying Michigan. I just am not sure about this number. It's right now. Eight and a half against a pretty good Wisconsin team. What do you think you don't want a number came out eight and a half knee-jerk reaction. Take Wisconsin plus the points. I mean, Paul Chryst outstanding isn't away dog all the numbers are they're always kansin numbers as in a way. Dog on you know, underdog dog. Everything points to Wisconsin and this one, but this one goes back to the eye test. And if you look at the eye test here Michigan's just the better football team right now, you know, Wisconsin for years. And if you think of Wisconsin, you think great defense. They always have a top ten defense, right? Well, this year they're giving up four point four yards per carry, and that's not horrendous. But by Wisconsin standards it is and they're only holding opponents to fifty six yards below their season average once again, the decent number, if you're a decent team number forty, four in the country that sound Wisconsin, top ten defense material. They're secondary. Banged up. They're going to have a suspended starter in the first half out of the secondary of safety and Michigan's offensive line's been playing better and better by the week. In fact, as Patterson gets a custody offense, they've got hidden in the backfield. They've got dangerous receivers, gentry, Collins, people's Jones. I think you're gonna see, Michigan's offense do well here. Now on the flip side of the coin, Wisconsin has got that big old line. They got the run game, but this is down Brown's defense, and it's probably Brown's best defense yet and they're on the season. They're holding opponents. Check this number out two hundred and fifteen yards below their season average. That's the best Mark in the country. So I think they can slow down, Wisconsin, put the game on hornet, Brooklyn. If they do remember Horner brick last year toss, fifteen interceptions. He hasn't really been tested this year. He's only got two interceptions. I think if they test them, you're going to see Michigan, snag and interception or two. And I feel exactly like you. I think Michigan is a legitimate one loss contender to make the playoffs this year because they host Wisconsin. Here, they play Michigan state on the road. They host. Penn State? It could come down to a big Michigan, Ohio state game at the end of the year. And I think Michigan, legitimately with that defense and improving offense is one of the best teams in the country. I'm actually going to lay the points here and take Michigan at home. Phil, I'm going down to Baton Rouge this weekend and LSU, obviously disappointed in what happened on in the swamp in Georgia. We were just talking about this earlier in the podcast, it's time for them to get on with their next four games are all going to be more than likely gets ranked teams. There've been a little sensitive about the fact that no one's talking about them up to this point this year that will change one way or the other of the next four games. What do you think about Georgia going down to death valley on Saturday. Well, you know, I've been watching Georgia pretty close last three weeks and I've actually been underwhelmed with their play of both the offensive and defensive lines. You go back to Missouri game three weeks ago and they took advantage of, you know, block Pont couple of key turnovers, but I thought Missouri when they needed to run the football, ran the football out of them and when Georgia needed to run the football and pick up a third and short, they were getting stuffed, you know, the stats were pretty even at the line of scrimmage Russia's, but you wouldn't even expect that Georgia should have the advantage even last week against Vanderbilt, you know, at the half, Georgia only had two to sixty three to two thirty yard edge. So there were far from dominated the first half. They did get it together and dominate the second half and come out with the big win. But I haven't seen that physicality. I wanted to see how the Georgia both sides of line LSU's lines have had that physicality all season long. And now they're back in their preferred row last week. They were favourite on the road at Florida's number five team in the country. Well, now they're back to being the underdog there a over a touchdown underdog here. At home indefinitely as an underdog. They knocked off Miami of Florida earlier this year, and even more impressive than the final score. They lead that thing. Thirty three to three. In the fourth quarter, they went into journ hair the same place, Alabama and Georgia came up short last year and they beat Auburn twenty two to twenty one. So this unless you team that's strong at the line of scrimmage, I think they're gonna give Georgia everything they want in this game. Now, not necessarily call them for the upset, but I'm definitely taking the home underdog here, sort of wish if you're backing LSU the game is at night because we know while Ellis Jews plays at night. This one's at three thirty in the afternoon, but I think it's probably decided by field goal one way or the other, and I'm taking the underdog LSU Tigers at home. You should have yourself a great game there. Ryan. Yeah, Phil, I don't know if you know this, but Matt Schick went to Colorado. He doesn't like talk about breaking most people. Most people aren't aware of this. Kind of like the Rams right there, the Rams, the Rams, some some sort of mammal. So because I don't want put Matt in a position. We'll have to ask a self serving question. So I want to ask you what, what you think about this big pack? Twelve south matchup this weekend with Colorado going to USC. Well, I tell you what if it Colorado goes into USC this week and actually wins this puppy, you're going to have so many people believe in in Colorado 'cause they'll may be almost locked up that the Pac twelve south this year. And I, I love the three headed monster that Colorado's got an offense. Trayvon McMillan averaging six point three yards per carry. Transfer. Now what's that? I just shouted what you just said, Virginia Tech. Gotcha. And then McIntyre this spring, he said, bond test. One of the most improved quarterbacks in the country. He is seventy five eleven to ratio. And then he said that Levinsky Chenault was only at seven catches last year. He goes pill. This guy's an NFL prospect. Football, seven hundred eight yards. Receiving thirteen point nine. So I love that trio. Now, the negative for Colorado in this game is they really haven't played anybody yet. USC is also a team that's desperate at home and their two losses this year while the Stanford and Texas, and by big margins, they lost fifty four to seventeen, but it was JT Daniels freshman, quarterback true road start against tough dis and they were only out I down by two first downs and those games they're back at home. Health is eighteen and oh, as head coach at home at USC internet. If they lose this game, they're three games back to Colorado their season's done. I think in the desperate situation USC gets the win, but I don't think it's going to be a blow it. I think it's gonna be a great football game. I've got the Trojans winning right around the line. That's seven. We are fresh outta here. Rush you out of time. Great to have you on as always and good luck on your picks. Thank you. Phil. Hey, it was great talking to everyone is usual every self agree weekend guys, getting knocked down on the football field makes you tough, but getting back up makes you tougher at Goodyear. We call that determination a willingness to put in more hours more reps and more of heart to reach a bar. That's guy because the Goodyear blimp doesn't show up for just anybody. So don't be just anybody. Blimp worthy. Good here. More driven hashtag, walk on you. Submit these questions on Twitter using the hashtag walk ons and Josh macrey reads them to us. That's right. Yeah, that is what I do. That is what I do. I question is for you, Brad from Zeh at l. l. cool. Zeh get it. I got it. Honestly. How can you say that to is miles ahead in the Heisman race? When the defense is he's played against or garbage, you guys are gassing him up. Hold up a sec as good Gundy well, so the coordinators are guarded. He's gonna take your credentials away. Not gonna let you talk to players anymore. Stop. So at least we don't have to take a question that's not about to write back to to. So we'll just we'll just start with this with this to where does he play. I see your quarterback. I think. I don't know. Can we get clarification who's he talking? All right. So. I think we'd make valid point, which is that Alabama has not played very many defenses so far this year, do they have played one? I think people who aren't paying attention are unaware of how good Texas a. and m. has been defensively, and Alabama could not run the ball at all in Texas and m. in fact late in that game, they were in jeopardy of having the lowest rushing output in the Sabin era before breaking a long run in the final few minutes and yet to had no trouble throwing on that defense even without a running game. So he has been tested once for whatever that's worth. But I think the more important thing as we look down the road and we recognize that LSU Mississippi State and Auburn will be the best defense is he faces. And of course, if they get to Georgia in the SEC championship game, which would be before the Heisman vote, he's going to be tested in ways that he hasn't so far. But the reason you don't hear people being more skeptical of his success. To this point is because we saw him in the second half of the national championship game last year against an elite defense. Now, I realize that's not going to contribute to whatever Heisman profile he might have that one doesn't count toward this year, but what it does count toward is, is people making assumptions of how good he is and making assumptions that he will do. All right when he faces better defenses because we've seen him do it before. Next question for you McGee from Victor Romero preferred, walk on at Victor. Romero says understanding that Scott Satterfield is an apse state alum, how much longer do we think it'll be until a power five program and he actually spelled it program? It did, yeah, tabs him to be their next head coach. I think that that's coming very soon and I think that he is waiting. He's not just going to jump to a powerful program just a joke to a powerful program, but I know that he's thinking about that because I mean, I live in North Carolina and half my family went to apps states. I hear about this all the time. He signed on with the new agent during the offseason, and that was Jimmy Sexton and Jimmy Sexton. He spills his name that I s I'm pretty sure is just a dollar sign for folks that don't know. Jimmy Sexton is the guy who has made. He is the one who has driven up the the coaching salary, all those most of the big coaching salaries. You see, when you look at USA today. List every year. Those are Jimmy Sexton, including Nick Sabin who also starts his last name with a dollar sign? Yes, there you go. And so Scott, Satterfield Scott and Satterfield. I'm pretty sure we'll both be dollars. At some point and listen app states a great program, and I will always believe that you should stay where you know you're going to win in till you can jump to somewhere where you know you can win. And so I think that's kind of what he's waiting on. He's smart guy and and and he's right. He isn't alarm of app state because of that think he'd be willing to stick it out a little bit longer than perhaps he wasn't. It's not quite the steppingstone that it is. You know, for a lot of guys are going to pass through there, but that being said, as soon as someone comes calling. North Carolina. I think that he'll probably he'll probably jump pretty quick Ryan. Does this e in your last name? Is that a cent sign or is yes. Okay. That's what I thought sit with a little lion through it. There you go. Yeah. Schick last one for you from Clint finger loam, if innocent a c.. Yes h. and that that's just all sorts of international money signs if an undefeated Notre Dame football team is left out of the college football playoff for a one loss conference champ would this push the Irish closer to joining a conference if that were the case, if what you say is true, then I suppose I've always been under the impression of always believed it, and I never will not believe it for a double negative that Notre Dame has to be undefeated to make the college football playoff because you're not gonna see multiple tools, conference champs, and hopefully if any of these power, five, one loss conference champions will be left out in favor of what one loss? No. Order Dame team. You look at this Notre Dame schedule and I'm still under the impression they if they went out, they're going to get in. I don't think that's really a a frontiers, a pioneering statement. What was that. Out of the. Innocent, he won't make contact with me because he knows I'm over here going. What are you waiting earrings? I sell like him when he's listening to fill still talking about Colorado, what? What? What frontiers Mun? Yeah, anyway, it's not that that credible of a statement, but you look at their schedule and you say, okay, the Michigan win hold up Stanford Virginia Tech, and then the rest of the year they don't have any rank teams. It's very important. I think for Notre Dame to just continue to dominate their schedule like they have the resume at the end. Twelve. No, you're not gonna leave them out, but especially if they have the look of a top four team. But if you do have, I mean, look, if Clemson wins out of Georgia's a one loss non-conference champ, how could the committee say Georgia's the number two ranked team and they lose a close game to Alabama, and that's their only loss. And they drop all the way down the five. Those are the kind of things we let your brain wander a little bit. History tells us we are not going to have too many undefeated teams. We'll probably have a max of two. It'll probably be. Clemson and Alabama and Notre Dame, which is three, and then we'll we'll move on. But I don't think I don't think that would happen if it did. Yeah. Notre Dame would probably have to think hard about tobacco road maybe bring it may make it official, welcome to the ACC. Fficials c. c. coastal Alantic, whatever they're calling you play five games a year with us. Why not eight? Yeah, it's true. Keep the questions coming. Keep asking them on the Twitter machine with the hashtag walk owns the extra point. But cast is gone on long enough in my opinion. But others would disagree including the producer who has a stew extra points McGee would he got for you extra point here today. So I never talked about the NFL because quite frankly, I never watch it. But Tom Brady said something this week that jumped out at me. He does a weekly radio appearance on w. e. up in Boston, and that's really the only time he talks unless it's after a game. But he was asked about all of these first year quarterbacks, Baker Mayfield who are playing and making a huge impact in super early. And the question was posed in woods different now. And he said this quote, he said, I think it was a different time. This is for him because he sat out, obviously famously behind Drew Bledsoe on the bench and learning about the game, whatever. And he says, I think it was a different time. Then football was different than he said. Now, in some ways, pro football is more glorified college football. In some ways, the transition it's more similar than it used to be when I first started football now is removing some of. The physical elements in the game, it's more of a space game. You see, a lot of college plays more in the pro game now than I remember when I started. And I want to say this. I don't believe that he meant that in a disparaging way, but it is being spun that way by a lot of NFL folks who just watching a fell football and don't watch football with us on Saturdays and my response to that because I never not of doing a double negative. I never know. I don't take a chance to take a shot at the NFL is y'all could use some of that because the NFL's problem over the last twenty years has been that they're all basically still running the Bill Walsh offense, and I can sit there and tell you what package is going in depending on what down it is and what play they're going to run. It doesn't matter what team it is. So imagination is okay. Football can be fun. And so, yeah, I would say if you're the NFL embrace it and I'm glad to see that some folks are and Tom Brady, I believe is even though if some people were trying to convince you that he's not the end. NFL is more popular when it reminds you of college football, and that is not a coincidence. It can't be a committee meeting, you know so many for so many years at like thirty two offenses rolled off in a similar line, and it's just in defense to watching the same thing all the time. And then I watch games on Saturday, and I got Georgia Tech running their offense, and I got air force on their offense, and I got San Diego State run their offense and I got Alabama around that mean everything's different what game you're watching. Look at what Kansas City's doing. Patrick Mahomes. It's Texas Tech. Hello, Texas Tech city is okay. Talking points or fine. Speaking of points. I think Brad has one number. Yeah, I'm gonna make a point that met you made during your walk UN's answer, and you have made pretty much every podcast that you've hosted over the last three weeks. Colorado is awesome. And so we're going, no, it's going to be something different, which is that the odds are not good of us having a bunch of undefeated teams, and I'm going to tell you exactly how. How that is both statistically and historically improbable. Looking at our playoff predictor we were, we were scanning the chance for the top five teams right now as far as the ones most likely to make the playoff in. That's in no particular order, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State Clemson and Notre Dame, the chance for those five teams to just get through November all still undefeated. So basically going into conference championship game weekend without a loss. Now that would be the whole the whole schedule for Notre Dame. But for the other four, they would still have that conference championship game to get to that point without losing. We're looking currently at a two percent chance for all that to happen. And a lot of people wanna talk about it like it's almost a foregone conclusion or it's at least probable. It's it's so far from probable that, well, I just did put it in a number. It's two percent historically, though there's another. To this, which is that the last time that four major teams went through the regular season unbeaten and untied. And when I say major, I don't mean what we today call f. b. s. I mean today what we call power five. So basically major conferences plus major independence. The last time for those teams got through the regular season undefeated untied nineteen. Forty nine. Okay. This stuff does not happen and in nineteen forty nine, the four teams that did it. They all played a nine or a ten game regular season, which is very different from h well game regular season with the tack on of a conference championship game that's requiring you to play one more game against a team that's usually highly ranked if not another top five team in the case of the SEC. So there are all sorts of things to point to to try to convince people that this is not going to happen. You're not gonna have four undefeated teams, and yet people don't wanna believe. There's a win over Clemson. There's a Syracuse win over Clemson. There's something out there that that we don't state going into Norman and beating Oklahoma last year, let things that you just don't see coming Iowa beating Ohio State. You just don't. Yeah, you don't. You don't see those types of things. However, this does feel a little different. It feels like it less Michigan beats Ohio State and unless USC beats Notre Dame, you know you, you feel like you'll have at least three you just you feel that way right now. But again, history says that is absolutely inaccurate. There were some we toss the tease this at the top of the show news out of Tuscaloosa and it was hard to determine which news was bigger to his minor knee little tweak injury for the starting quarterback of a national championship caliber team or the fact that Alabama's bringing Dixieland delight back in between the third and fourth quarters. This weekend against Missouri athletic director, Greg Byrne along with MS Terry Damian Harris, running back for Alabama and a student body president whose name I can't recall. Took part in a video where they did not read from a script at all. Here's part of that. Hi, I'm Alabama eighty. Greg, Byrne and I'm joined today by Misteri saving Damian Harris and student body, president price, mcgeever, Alabama fans. You know, we are all about tradition around here. And we've certainly heard about one tradition in particular that you've been missing at Bryant. Denny stadium, we'll I'm here to say that we are freeing Dixieland delight. We're going to do our part here and try this one more time. So we need you to do yours. There's nothing like college football that the end, the cheerleaders students, the fans, the big rivalries, this Dr Pepper at. We're having everyone to Bryant Denny stadium and happy to bring back this other tradition, Dixie, land delight. Let's do it right, y'all got it. Hey, dangling price. Mcgivering debiting. We have a lot of cool game day traditions and Tesco's with our team really wants to bring this. I'm back for good, like Misteri said, and like Greg said, we really need your help. I know we can do it the right way. So remember to keep it clean, keep it classy only played Dixieland delight during the fourth quarter that Ryan's any state. We all agree that this is a great song follow the video boards during the song, so this can stay for the long haul. Dixieland delight done right. It is a scary, good deal. See what y'all can't see us. Price mcgeever is back there and he's actually blinking out SOS. Gifford of courses. Dave is. You could. You could go anybody right now. Hey, what's the name of the student body president at Alabama. I don't know price mcgeever. That's right record that. So anyway, you're watching that is like, look, Alabama. They do a lot of things right. There were probably better ways to come out with that exciting video, but I will say, we'll see what happens. Dixieland delight. I had to. I had to Google videos of what they actually say. 'cause I'm not from the south east. I didn't know what they say, how they ad-lib that curse words LSU Tennessee, that they refer do Auber in Auburn part is one of the big ones. So let me ask you this before we hit out what's more likely to televi- Loa plays in the fourth quarter against Missouri this week or Dixieland elect goes past this week in and they. Oh, no. I'll say to. Title them despite price Gifford's best efforts. The student body is going to do whatever they're going to do, even when their leader pleads with them to do otherwise. So anyway, thanks this podcast. Please keep it clean with Dixie. Let's this weekend. We're all for price. We're all carrying you do it for price. Gifford. Thanks to be with us. Ryan McGee for Brad for Josh Baccari as always for price Gifford. The best final. 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Power Balance

Championship Drive

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Power Balance

"It getting knocked down on the football field makes you tough. But getting back up makes you tougher at Goodyear, we call that determination a willingness to put in more hours more reps and more of heart to reach a bar that sky high because the Goodyear blimp doesn't show up for just anybody. So don't be just anybody the blimp worthy. Good here. More driven. This program is brought to you by ice cold Dr Pepper, the official drink of fans. This is campus conversation now, here's your host Ivan, Michelle. Welcome back to campus conversation. I haven't mizzle. Here's the man just said it's Friday the day before the big Saturday of the season. I'm excited over you can tell I'm excited November second Twenty-eight Fain very excited. Ryan McGee is here. Hello, ryan. I feel like I've immediately. We're excited. Oh, we're so excited. It's going to be a great season. We're excited. Yes. Well, let's hope that the the dribble whereabout to serve up is better than what we hear most media. Adam rid bargains here as well. Adam nobly hosted yesterday, and and now he's got to listen to me host. And I just I just feel so bad for him. He's had a rough week going back and forth to Maryland. And now this greatest of of insults. He's gotta hear me host. So Adam you're a trooper. I do it. I can you know, did it sound guys. Like, I realized about ten minutes before the show that I was the host. Hopefully, it didn't. Wash wondering about the show. So yes, so you're you're already over your surprised by the time. I got here. Good. I did not pick that up at all. And it was good that you are the hosts given that it was a Maryland Centric show, and we still have even more news coming out of Maryland, which we will get to in a moment as well. As ole miss and the NCAA UCF last night, we're going to discuss the defending national champs and their victory over temple, and Phil Steele will be here to discuss this week's picks. And we'll try not to discuss last week's picks with Philly at a rough Saturday got all of that. As soon as we get out of the tunnel. Time did come out of the tunnel on campus conversation. And it goes without saying, of course, we also have your walk on questions and our extra points, and it has to go without saying it because I didn't say it. But now I did. So let's get to the news. More news out of Maryland. And I had to laugh because yesterday, and Adam, and Heather and Jake's discussion of Maryland, Heather made the point that we don't know what's going to happen to stay in Evans athletic director. We don't know what's going to happen. If anything to James t Brady, the chair of the Maryland border regions well shortly after the show dropped. James t Brady the chair of the Maryland board of regents resigned. And he put out a statement quote in recent days, I have become the public face of both the board and its decisions related to these matters. Referring, of course, to make mayor affair in my estimation. My continued presence on the board will inhibit it's the boards ability to move Maryland's higher education agenda forward, and I have no interest in serving as a distraction from that important work close. Quote, Adam Damon Evans is now the loan guys. Standing did Brady's soared falling surprise. You know, it would didn't you know? I think the power balance shifted very quickly from the university system board of regions to Wallace slow to be honest. And and the university of Maryland college park leadership that was just the public outcry political outcry the media outcry. I think the board had a meet your scheduled a special meeting on Thursday more where after that meeting that Brady put out that statement and the board put out a statement essentially saying that we need to back off and get Maryland back on track. And basically what these people do their jobs. I mean there there were some that was thinking when they did schedule the meeting that. Okay. Here comes the firing of Wallace low because they do have that authorities still. But I think they probably in a week of a lot of missteps made the wise decision to back off and in James Brady's case background and resigned. Because you know, he had become the face of this. And whether it was all him or it was a combination of the leadership of that university system of Maryland. But there was a lot that had been rumored about Brady in kind of strong arming this situation to get everything that he wanted. It was something that the student body. President of Maryland Jonathan Allen told me sit down interview on. Wednesday morning that he said the court was essentially chairman Brady got everything he wanted and that did not sit well with a lot of people and so not not overly surprised by that decision. And that's a great point. Because Brady comes if I'm not mistaken from the world of politics where you never get everything you want, and you're you're supposed to learn how to compromise. So this is his actions here if that is indeed the case, and he did strong arm. This decision. Don't you think you should have known better? Yeah. I think we're I mean, obviously, eight happens. I'm not saying that like ultimatums with powerful people don't still happen. But I think it's a lot harder to get away. With in an age of social media in an age where everybody can get their message out very quickly. Which is what happened with the Maryland governor in any other powerful people in the state, and it is very clear that that's what happened. You know, we've heard it Washington Post is hurt it other media outlets have heard it that they told Wallace slow on Tuesday. You're going to get fired unless you do what we say, which is to bring back DJ Durkin to bring back Damon Evans wall. So I did want to do that. He did not want to bring the J Durkin back, and he knew what was going to happen. And yet, he reluctantly accepted the recommendations likely knowing what was going to happen as far as the backlash. And so you think that Wallace lowest completely clairvoyant is is probably wrong. But he had an idea that this is going to go down the way it did. And at least momentarily I think he comes out of this looking as as positive as possible. Although there's still a lot of criticism. I mean, our colleague Scott van pelt who we all know is Maryland alum used his one big thing on sportscenter last night to basically eviscerate the university of Maryland and Wallace low, and why is he still in his job? And why is Damon Evans athletic director still in this job? They could not have bungled this more. More as a just an entire group of people in this decision making process. So there's still some there. He is still retiring at the end of the year, although the provost of the Maryland and all the academic deans put out a statement saying that he was being forced to retire should not be forced to retire. So maybe that's going to change as well. Ryan. And yet Maryland continuing to have a good year. It's almost as if the the players have decided they're going to play for their late teammate, Jordan McNair. And unless this other stuff just slide by. You have any sense. I mean, what do you think is going to happen with Maryland not only tomorrow, but the rest of the season. Well, it was interesting because completely it was just completely coincidental. I was at the Maryland game in Iowa working on a story. One hundred percent not related to Maryland two weekends ago. And what was interesting was being around the team like on Friday when the equipment guys will unloading into the stadium and just chatting with them and chatting with the folks in the press box and on the sideline before the game. And the looks on their faces they were so focused, but there were so ready for this year with and I'm not talking even necessarily about all of all of this. I'm talking about all of it. I'm talking about the season. I'm talking about everything just look like a group that have been put in an possible position. And so the fact that they have been able to turn. This into a successful year. They're going to go bowl game. I mean, barring complete meltdown. I just I the fact that they have done what they've done is. You know, I'm just I'm impressed. Because again as Adam says in the age of social media being able to tune this stuff out is impossible. And when you're living in every day, and there's an empty locker in. You're having the ceremony before every game and players from Iowa and coaches from our walking over and saying we're so sorry, this is this is the entire pre game. And now you gotta go out and play football game. And it's like this every single day every single week in the fact that they have managed to focus on football at all for sixty minutes on Saturday. I'm so impressed with those kids and with the staff that has been handed this impossible situation. So it's just it's a mess. But I'll tell you this to growing up on college campuses. You know being around college administrators my whole life. This is a window into the world of university. President and everybody thinks that because we're football people work college athletics. Folks, you think that's what the whole focus is. It's not there's this pie chart of the job. And Mike Bilotta used to always say to me the last job in the world. He would ever take in. This includes like, president states is the president of a large university because it's just it is nonstop twenty four hours a day in your not just answering to the football coach, you're answering to the regents or trustees you're answering to not just the Atlantic boosters. But also, the people that pay for everything else, you're answering if it's a state university to governments into elected officials on every level. And oh, by the way, there's also students and professors and departments and multiple university colleges within the university. And so this has been a little window into this is what we're really every day. Like because if it's not a football player that we're all reporting on it's a kid who dot about a poisoning or Donna Donna de house or died in a car accident on campus or was hit by a university bus. I mean, this happens all the time. And so Wallace low has kind of handed us this little bit of a glimpse into what life is like when your university president, and it's not any fun. It's not that's great. That's great insight. Although I do want to caution you that Maryland is going to go to ballgame. I you're probably right. Well, five and three they have a chance. Yeah. The fact that they're even in the hunt. It happened over five hundred at this point to me is a big deal. Yeah. Talking to some sources inside the program after everything has happened in the last forty eight seventy seven seventy two hours one source said I think the guys are going to be freer now and how they play. And so they've done a pretty good job of that so far. But I think now that it's over at least in terms of who they know will be their coach for the rest of the year. And I think they've adjusted pretty well to some of the new things that have been in the program since Turkey and was placed in administrative leave. I'm not saying they're going to beat Michigan state by twenty points. But this is actually a pretty talented team. So it could go either way they could they could just be a disaster on Saturday and all the emotions get to them or they end they could play really, well that's not out of the realm of possibility because they actually have talent. That was one reason why so many people wanna DJ Durkin to stay is because he recruited really well, and they have some dudes in that program. Maryland plays. Michigan state tomorrow noon on ESPN two. The Spartans are two and a half point favorite in Maryland five and three needs one win to get a bowl game. They've got a road game at Indiana next week and then finish with a home game against number ten Ohio State and a road game at number fourteen Penn State, so. I don't see a guaranteed win in that bunch. But I think they could also go to into without you know, or even three and one who knows I think it all depends on exactly what Adam said is how the players respond. The Boyle being Lance is the second time I've used that this week last night UCF stretched its winning streak to twenty one consecutive games. Fifty two to forty over temple. Limited the owls to just one touchdown six points after halftime. It was it was not a defensive struggle thirteen hundred total yards. Seventy first downs between them. Temple lead at the half thirty four to twenty eight play magnificent first half. And yet was only had one score. Which is never a good sign for the underdog. Ryan. Did you come away thinking that? Oh my God. I've been wrong about UCF for a year and a half. Or did they pretty much do what you felt? I would do now that they do what they do. You know? They trail at to half. And then Randy Shannon makes just bits and they lock it down on defense. And it's just I mean you look at the box score. And it's this double digit numbers for both teams in every quarter until you get to the third and then tipple does this go third quarter and six points to finish the ball game. This is what they do. This. It reminded me so much of the Memphis game. They trailed Memphis at the half gave up on no more than three hundred yards. Randy, Shannon mates. Just what's? And they wanted football games. So yeah, this is just this UCF does. And I'll tell you this slowly. But surely whether people want to admit it or not they're curious about UCF. It was just a few minutes ago. Yeah. That are ESPN PR office. Put the number out. It's the highest rated Thursday night game. We've had only UPN since kickoff weekend. Now that has something to do with the fact that some of those matchups weren't super stellar. But I think people are really curious whether they wanted mitt it or not. About UCF not to mention one in seven Oakland was playing one in seven San Francisco or whatever their records were last night. Oh, the NFL. There was an NFL game last night. I didn't know that. I don't watch NFL. And if you I'm not sure there was but it was it was Oakland and the Niners. But. Adam did you? Your thoughts on UCF changed not in terms of their chances of making the playoffs, but just on UCF itself. Yeah. To Ryan's point. It was really my first extended chance to see them. I I saw them a little bit with their game against Memphis, which is a much more difficult game in the second half. And this one was but you have to be impressed with this offense. It just continues to roll along under Josh Hypo after the it really got started Scott frost and McKenzie Milton getting a chance to see him and his receivers you Gabriel Davis making plays Adrian kilns junior obviously making plays both as a running back and as a receiver Otis Anderson had a big play and then Greg McRae guys one hundred and eighty eight rushing yards and a touchdown against the temple defense that at times it's been pretty good defensively. There's a temple team that blew out Maryland temple team that beat previously undefeated Cincinnati team. So I thought this was going to be a good test. I didn't think the game was going to go like this. I thought it was gonna. Be more of a lower scoring game. Because of the talent the temple has on defense. So it definitely underscores at UCF can score with just about anybody. I think they have some issues on defense. And I think they would be exposed if they've played a better team and likely will be exposed if they play a really good team in new year six game. But I'm gonna continue to watch this team. Because there's some exciting match-ups coming up. Not maybe not so much next week against navy. But then they have Cincinnati which only has one laws they have south Florida, which only has one laws and then presumably they win their division. It'd probably going to get Houston team. That's playing really well lately in the conference championship game. Conferencing, say the American championship game. That would be a great game. UCF? Houston would be one of the better games on championship Saturday. Yeah. They clearly the temple defense wore down. As is often the case against offense is like UCF McRae's last run was a forty two yarder. When UCF was trying to kill the clock. And that's it was a lot of that has to do with fatigue. So big win for the knights. Fifty two to forty over temple the other news of the day yesterday. Ole miss won an appeal of its NCAA's partially. It was a partial victory of its appeal at NCA sanctions. The the appeal fell short of lifting the football team's postseason van for twenty eighteen I will not go to a bowl, but the appeal was successful in vacating penalty that hindered the programs ability to host recruits on unofficial visits, the NCAA division. One infractions appeals committee found that the committee on infractions had quote abused. Its discretion close quote by limiting those visits as part of its punishment last December following an investigation that span five years Twenty-one alleged violations. However, the onus is appeal not only the bowl ban, but of the vacation of records and the charge of lack of institutional control was denied. So essentially what we see here. Adam if I'm reading this correctly is the symbolic. Penalties of lack of institutional control and the vacating of records. Were left intact. And I guess the bowl band is not symbolic, but in terms of getting recruits on campus, they're gonna let us do that. So that's that's a that's a nice recovery there. I think oh it absolutely. It's all about what what's happening next at ole miss this season. We knew it was going to be a challenging because of the bowl band. But this is a program that you look at them. And there's there's a lot of good recruits in the program. It was a reason why they beat Alabama a couple of times in recent memory, and why the NFL scouts. I've been told. We're almost out their preseason practices, especially to look at their personnel on the offensive side of the ball. But it's all about what's next for Matt Luke and his staff, and in this does give them a little bit more of a chance to to recruit and get this thing rolling. One of those was at one two three four five five five and three teams in the SEC west or four or five and three teams in the. SEC west. So there are a win away from at least getting bowl eligible, even though they're not going to a bowl and that, but that would be symbolic as well this year, we're talking about symbolic things if they're able to be South Carolina on Saturday, and they still got vandy. They obviously have the Egbahl having a winning record in spite of a bowl ban something, and if they can then now get going on recruiting and enhance that that part of their program, and maybe even get close to where they were before. Then they'll they'll be an interesting team to watch in the coming years. You know, there's a game in the SEC west this weekend. It's important. It's going to come to me in a minute. Oh, yeah. Alabama plays LSU this weekend. Oh. Yeah. So let's hear from the head coaches of that Titanic till tomorrow night. Nick Sabin spoke about how this LSU change a little different. They're completely different team now. And I don't think this team's like any LSU team. We've played in recent years in terms of what they're doing on offense. So they're going fast ball. I mean, they're playing with tempo. There are a lot more open formations than what they have been in the past. They're not any eye formation. Just trying to run the ball against people creating a lot more issues and problems for you, the where the utilize a personnel. So this team is nothing like any team that we've ever played before at LSU. And and now LSU head coach at on. We'll give you a second or two to get the subtitles working on your podcast. So here's coach. Energy in the state of Sienna and the energy is in the stadium. It's going to be something that we have a say time, Louisiana. We're looking forward to look before matchup oversell Bevan. You know that one sounded better when I listened to it before the show. You know, less football coach. Football coaches loved to just say the word football. We'll go reminding you what sport does run like that about the state of Louisiana. He can't get more about thirty seconds. So that I mentioned in the state of the well, the state of Louisiana is excited about this. And well when I drive around the state of Louisiana, and I'm from the state of Louisiana, and I just appreciate his his loyalty to the state of Louisiana. It's going to be a great scene tomorrow night. For so many reasons not only the quality of football. But the intensity of the rivalry special qualities of game day when there's a night game in death valley all that will be on display tomorrow night on CBS, Adam I don't know if you've had minute one to look at this game tomorrow night. But what are you expecting? Well, I'm just very interested to see the approach that LSU's defense takes against to the Alabama offense. Dave Aranda I've known day for many many years, and I have great respect for his ability to scheme things if I love talking football with him. I always learn something about the game. When we when we chat periodically. And I think he's going to do some things with his defenses to try to confuse Alabama. Because what I've been told from talking to coaches is that essentially identifies defense at the line of scrimmage, and then completely manipulates them on our PEOs. And I think if a defense. Can confuse to at least slow him down. Maybe make those reeds have to happen during the play instead of before the play you they give themselves a chance, and I do think LSU from talent standpoint, we'll be by far the best most talented defense that Alabama has faced and I guess I just wanna can they get the game into the second half. Can they put a shred of doubt in the minds of the Alabama players of all my God. We're in a close game. We may actually have to make plays to win this game down the stretch on the road in a really tough environment. And also interested in seeing what Joe borough in that crew. Could do me he plays with a lot of moxie Eddie coaches, really like what they seen from him. You can they do enough at least to keep this game close. I mean, I think when Devon white comes back from his, you know, his targeting. I think he's going to give them a jolt. Now will he be giving them a jolt when they're down thirty points really be giving them a jolt when the game relatively close. That's going to be the key for me in this one Orion. The refuge of all underdog teams is if we can get. The game into the second half. Or if we can get the game into the fourth quarter. Obviously, I think LSU is going to. Have a level of athleticism that Alabama has not seen this year. Not to mention a chip on its collective shoulder. But. What chance do you give the Tigers have actually pulled this thing off? Well, I think that being at home, and sometimes I think we oversell the home field advantage. But you can't oversell it in death valley. And it's funny. I wrote something for sportscenter this week, and I just kind of this tongue in cheek Mr. to you played in all these great places, but you don't know what you're about to walk into. And I mentioned some very specific locations. When I went where I went to scholar and a lot of people very unhappy with me about that. And what I've said to them as I said, listen, no one believes how loud it is at LSU until they actually are there. And this is coming from a guy who went to racetracks, most of my adult life and the only place where I've stood on the field and gotten that top in like hurt like your eardrums sting for a second. Like you get at Daytona. I've gotten that a death valley, and it was two years ago for this game. And so it's amazing. And I think they know they have a chance, and it's because of what Nick Savio one was just talking about. Which is they have a fastball now on offense, and they finally have a head coach in place and a staff in place to do what less miles kept promising all those years, which is we're going to open it up and the stories we've all heard and had verified or less miles will say, all right. We're going. Open it up this year and then come Bama week. He's walking into the offense of meeting room going. No, we've got a we've got to announce our presence with authority and run it down. And it's just this is not what else she's going to do this weekend. And if they can make it close Adam is exactly right. And then all the sudden now you have your best defensive player coming off the bench with fresh legs ready to go in the second half. It's it could set up very nicely for them. And I'm really really curious to see how that goes down as everyone else in the country as well. And the department of useless information, no number three team in the first playoff ratings has ever made the playoffs. And of course, no number one team has ever won the title. So I don't even know why we care about this game tomorrow night. Plus, you get a point. Phil Steele is here in fill. Of course does care about this game tomorrow night. And he is going to explain it to us as well. As some other big games on a very big weekend. When we come back. Phil Steele will be here. But first days you can get practically everything on demand. Like, our podcast, you listen when you want when it's convenient for you, did you know, you can even get postage on demand. All you need is stamps dot com with stamps dot com. You can access all the services of the post office right from your desk. You can buy imprint real US postage for any letter or any package in. It's all available twenty four hours a day seven days a week. All you have to do is click print mail, and you're done stamps dot com. We'll even send you a digital scale you can wear your letters and packages and print the exact amount of postage every. 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Penn State found a way to win last week against Iowa James Franklin things chase McSorley is the greatest player in the country. How do you see this one going down at the big house? Well, I think it's a great situation for Michigan as you touched on this. Michigan team is on a roll. You look at them defensively they are holding Ponant two hundred eighteen yards below their season average. That's pretty remarkable. It's the best in the country. And you know, you look at a couple of other games recently. And through the recent five games. They held Nebraska to seventeen total yards in the first half. Maryland, forty two yards in the first half. Michigan state forty nine in the first half. Browns defense is doing phenomenal shape. Patterson is coming on at QB. Get more comfortable at the off offense by the week in karate. Hey, dead is going to get a thousand yards this year. It's close to it right now averaging five point four yards per carry now last year. Michigan was awesome, grueling games travel, a Happy Valley, probably Penn State and Penn State was off a bye Penn State smack down forty two to thirteen. Well, this time it's revenged her for Michigan. Dare sitting at home off a by Penn State's off. I've. Close game against Iowa took that right to the wire they need and interception at the two yard line to hold onto a six point win McSorley got a little banged up mystery series. But he's back. We'll be playing in this one. But when I look at these two teams, I think Michigan's better on defense and the offense is our close. You got the home edge the by and even on the spreads rather high. Michigan land ten points to Penn State. I'm gonna take Michigan who just does not take any prisoners. I'm gonna go with the wolverines to win this one by more than ten. Wow. Okay. Okay. All right. So too big games in the SEC one. We have not discussed very much this week will pretty much decide the east filled Georgia going to Kentucky Kentucky of his Cinderellas of twenty eighteen season. What do you think can I pull it off? I like Georgia to win the game spread wise. I'm not really wild about either side here because with Kentucky, I think they can play with Georgia at the line of scrimmage. Both sides of the ball Kentucky's been very physical with every team that played this year. Georgia pushed around a little bit by Missouri. Definitely got pushed around by LSU LSU had to seventy five to one thirteen yard edge. And then even last week Florida ran the ball for four point six yards per carry, Adam. So I think it can play with Georgia at the line of scrimmage, which is crucial that Kentucky's chances. And I think they do make a game of it. Now, Georgia has some edges. They've got the better passing game with Jake from. They've got the more big game experience. I don't know if Kentucky's been in a game like this or for what a quarter of a century. It's been longtime for Kentucky being this big of a game. Georgia's just played the SEC title game last year played in the national championship. So they're more use to the big game. So Georgia coming out with the win spread wise. I'm literally on that one. Phil I'm going to be hopping on a plane soon as we're done here and heading out to Lubbock to watch collar Murray and Oklahoma. I'm really I'm going to see him because I haven't seen him in person. And and I'm also just I just wanna. Suet Lubbock is all about what am I going to see once? I get there. You're going to be way out there in Texas. As Baker mayfield's. Father told me Lubbock is two and a half hours from everywhere doesn't matter where you are. That's how far away. She some tumbleweed. But as far as the game goes it self I I like, Oklahoma. I, but you know. You know, I like Texas to beat them in that game earlier this season and tell pretty good when Texas was up by twenty one. And then in the blink of an eye Oklahoma at tied that thing and since then their offense is not slowed down fifty two points against TCU. Another fifty one against Kansas state, and they're doing most of it, even by halftime these games. So this Oklahoma offense, it's going to be tough to stop at Texas Tech. They had a showdown game at home earlier this year against West Virginia. And I thought they had a chance to win that game. And at the half they were down thirty five can they gave up three hundred and eighty two yards in the first half, two will Greer and company? I think it might see more of the same here. I like this Texas Tech team this year. They're just not on Oklahoma's level. Oklahoma is going to be very pumped up for this one on the road. The last time they came here. It was a shootout. I mean, it was the most points ever in the NCWA sixty six to fifty nine I think Oklahoma's offense could get there. But the defense under Ruffin McNeill has been playing better. I like Oklahoma to win this one by more than the third. Eighteen and a half point spread longhorns are hosting West Virginia TV just mentioned kinda forgotten about West Virginia. And this big twelve race. Everyone kind of assumed it was going to be an oh, you Texas rematch in the big twelve championship game. But how likely do you think it is will Greer and those talented receivers go into Austin and get a win against the Texas team. That's reeling a little bit after that lost Oklahoma state. Yeah. Tough loss. They went into a tough situation. Oklahoma state really had blown their season all their chances. And this is their time to turn it around. They were fired up at home. And in the first quarter of that game Texas was without both starting Cornerbacks. And Oklahoma state just destroyed them in the first quarter back they had about two hundred fifty yards offense in the first quarter. This starting Cornerbacks came back the rest of the final three quarters the same two hundred and fifty yards. So that defense played a lot better. Once they were back to full health. Now, it's Texas. It's back at home sort of in a circle the wagons. Situation they can still turn their season around get back to the big twelve title game. But they need a victory here. And there the lower ranked team Tom Herman's got a great record as an underdog. I know there were slight favorite there about two point favorite protects has to feel like the underdog in this game. The last time West Virginia took to the road. They went to Iowa State played a pretty good defense in Iowa stayed in only had one hundred fifty two yards for the game. In fact, Al I down twenty five to nine lost that game thirty two fourteen. I will Greer doing a great job. He's got the receivers. He's got the running backs to defense is playing better. But I think it's a must win at home for Texas. You'll see a different Texas team this week, and I'm going to side with the longhorns to get the home win there. Now, the big home team looking for to make some noise. Phil northwestern tomorrow night ESPN number four Notre Dame coming in. Northwestern is the team it's TV's darling. Because every game goes down to the last minute. And they've been consistently winning since stumbling out of the gate can they pull this off? And they'd beat Notre Dame. Well, I tell ya northwestern could get to their first big ten title game ever. They could get their first big ten championship in longtime and had all ride next week's game at Iowa beat Iowa. Then it's big ten championship game for them because it would almost be impossible for them. Not love beaten all their other rivals there off a big win over Wisconsin. And as much as teams get fired up for Notre Dame. You wonder how much emotion they're going to pour into this one knowing that their season rides on the Iowa game next week. I mean, they've got three losses or ready. So it sound like they're gonna make the playoff even if they win the big ten so hosting Notre Dame is one thing. Then let's look a little closer at some of their wins. They beat Wisconsin last week which was down to their backup quarterback on the road. They beat Rutgers by three Nebraska had them by two scores in the fourth quarter. One scoring a fourth quarter. They need to touch with eleven seconds left at tied up. Force overtime and earlier against Michigan. They weren't actually outgained by one hundred seventy four yards lost that thing by three. Meanwhile, Notre Dame, they're pretty fresh. They had a by two weeks ago last week. They lead navy twenty-seven nothing at the half, and then sort of put the players away. They only have Florida state. Syracuse USC on deck is probably the biggest game in the final four their toughest test. I think you'll get Notre Dame's game. I don't know if we're going to get north Western's eight game. I think they might save their game for next week. I actually think the better team is Notre Dame the situation favors Notre Dame. They'll have some fans there too. I like the Irish to win this one by double digits, Phil we were just talking about this kind of snuck up on us. I didn't realize that Alabama was going LSU this week because no one's talking about it. So so James. So what? So what what do you think we will see in the greatest environment in college football, which is a Saturday night in death? And let me scream let me scramble around and get my notes, I didn't even realize plan this week to help you out here. Alabama is who's the home team, Alyssa LSU. All right. Let's take a look at this one and LSU's at home. You look at their defense. Now, they're not gonna have white their linebacker for the first half. Which I think could be huge. He might be the top draft pick coming off the defense. Maybe the top traffic in this game. And he's going to miss the first half, that's tough. But LSU has an excellent secondary, greedy Williams grant del pit. And I think talent wise they're right there. The two teams are almost dead even on defense offensively clearly give the Alabama. I mean you look at the run game. I'm gonna take now she Harris Damian Harris, Josh Jacobs, probably over any of LSU's running backs. I like the Alabama's offensive line. And then a quarterback I'm gonna give the edge to Alabama with two tongue. Loa twenty-five ratio. Joe Berle love the story. Love the kid six touchdowns three interceptions, though, more of a gay manager. He's going to have to make some big place relish. Stay in this. And I don't know if he can Alabama does have a young secondary coming into the season, but they get better by the week. And I think at this point of the season. There are no longer young. So Alabama hasn't played a big game all year, they'll be fired up for this one. And I'm gonna compare LSU a little bit to Texas, am I think that teams are close allies Alabama actually lead am forty five to sixteen in the fourth quarter. So as much as I'd like to go with the home underdog here, I'm gonna go with Alabama to win. And I'm going to call for it to be thirty seven to seventeen. Wow. Okay. Phil, you're the best. And I'm just not saying that you are the best thanks for being here. Again. We will talk to you next week. Hey, and it was fun. As always talking to you, gentlemen. I hope you have a great weekend. Thanks as always the Phil Steele. When we come back as always, you're welcome questions and our extra points. No, everybody. You're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold Dr Pepper. Where every day is Saturday in everyone's fan, even babies. And the seasons never chained because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fence Ville this full during a college football game near you, Dr Pepper the official drink of fans Ville, grab some today hashtag walk ons. And here we are your walk on your questions using the hashtag walk on y'all have been terrific. We've got a lot of very good questions. But only time to answer one of peace. Josh is we have no idea where Joshua's and really who cares. If he couldn't show up for the show forgetting gay say is sitting in for Josh, Gabe. What he has this first one is for you McGee. It's from Randy true. It's at our KT forty eight twenty nine what gang of five team has impressed. You the most? Well, you know, I love them all because that's a voice, right? But I think it's it's easy to say UCF Houston actually has kind of blown me away. Because even when they've had stretches were they have not had the best player in the country at Oliver on the field. They still have managed to take care of business. But I've told all my east coast friends do yourself a favor, and if you have a chance check out Fresno state because very quietly there, they sit at seven and one, and yes, I know Utah state is right there too. But but they have a stretch coming up will they play Boise. They play San Diego State both to good teams out there in the mountain west, but Fresno plays good football. And if you go back to their only loss on the year that was a game against Minnesota at Minnesota that were leading with about three minutes to go and so-, Fresno state, very quietly is a team that I've told all my east coasters that if you're looking. For someone to watch at midnight on the east coast Phil free to check out the BULLDOGS because they were really good for a long time. We remember that. And then they were really terrible for awhile. And now a very quietly that pretty good again. Right. Every victory by at least eighteen points. So good call Fresno plays UNLV tomorrow night. This next one is for you Ivan is from sensor shook at Spencer shook five Ivan. Ivan you think if the group of five were to receive its own separate championship game. It would be a good thing or would it appear as demeaning to those respective schools. I am late to the party on this. But actually Ryan is one of the people that convinced me we should have a group of. Championship game because he has always maintained that Appalachian state should never have left the FCS where they were national champion many times over to toil in the. In the group of five. And I think there's something to be said for being labeled a national champion. No matter what the label is whether it's quote, secondary, unquote, or even like UCF if you make it up so I would love to see a group of five championship game. And I'm glad to know that you listen to me from time to time. Thank you. God I hated saying that allowed. This last one is for you. Adam it's from Mugsy MIA'S at mugs zenia is is Buffalo's landslide polled going to be the hot higher of the seasons coaching carousel or is there. Another name at the top of the wishlist for the power five schools needing a fresh start. Well, I'm a huge landslide poll the fan. I'm a fan of both him as a coach and as a person, but also the idea of landslide poll just the fact that he was such a different higher for buffalo in. Normally you hire a hot coordinator in that role. When you're kind of mid to low level gang of five team. But they went completely out of the box. They went to the division three ranks and Ghana coach who had been one hundred nine and six at Wisconsin whitewater with one two three four five six division three national titles. And I think it just underscores guys how good some of these coaches are at the lower levels of college football. And who's going to have the guts to go out and hire one of them because you might hire the right guy. You might hire the next rising star. And so if you look at his track record. Yeah, it took him a couple of years, although they were bowl eligible last year did not get into a bowl, but they've been terrific this year and you on track to get into the MAC championship game. And who knows maybe win the the MAC title. And and so you'll Lance is. Atlanta's fifty four years old. He thought maybe stay in the division three area forever. But now, he's moved up to this level. And he's showing that his methods can work, and I think other schools will be wise to find or at least entertain the idea of interviewing and vetting and looking at some of these coaches from division two for Mets from division three. Because there's a lot of really good ones out there like landslide polled. All right. That'll do it for walk ons for today and continue to get them into the show by tweeting. Ed, Josh in Twitty into the show by using the hashtag walk ons. The extra point. All right. There's a part of the show where you listen as we expound on something you might not have known about the world of college football. Ryan, what do you have? All right. So Bama LSU and Georgia Kentucky and Michigan, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you tap and rice play on Saturday. This is that I'm so fired up. And the I love the fact that the assumption at ESPN that I just would get on a plane and go and not have another assignment they even when they sent out like the game notes from ESPN, stats and info said Ryan Mckee, we'll be in attendance for the bottom. Ten champs you. I'm not going to be there. I wish I could be there. I wish I could get from Lubbock to you tap are to rice for the YouTube game. But these are the YouTube is number one in the bottom ten Rice's number two. A lot of people tell me that. I should have those numbers flip flopped because you tap has had a lot of close games rice is not good. But I'm looking at the mysteriously, accurate, mystical FBI. And it says that rice is a fifty five point five percent favourite, which I'm not good at math that I believe that means that you tap is I forty four point five percent of favorite that number has moved. And I don't know somewhere. I love the fact is somewhere at the worldwide leader in sports. There is a computer that is running simulations of this game just to give me the stack because I'm convinced that I'm the only person that cared. You tip is the one hundred and twenty eighth ranked team until offense rice is the one hundred nineteenth team ranked in total defense. I just I just I'm so fired up and I use this in the bottom ten this week. And I'll say it here. Now, this is an old Louis Khazar bit. But I said that I called the rice ticket office and said if I could make it over there from Lubbock, what time is kickoff and the person that's what time can you be here. Well, you were asking what you're gonna do before your game. I mean there you go, right? Three. Yabe bunkered in somewhere in Lubbock, and I will be bribing bartenders to find this game. And actually, I would just watch on my phone. It is available and I just you guys can tell I'm a little fired up. No offense to the ultimate proof that every college football game is televised. Adam top that I dare you. Yeah. I won't be topping that. But I am just fascinated guys with Washington state and what they've been able to do this season. We thought it was going to be a drop off obviously with everything they had been through in the off season and also combined with some of the personnel that weren't there anymore and some of the coaching staff that left after the season even to the tax within the Pac twelve or or elsewhere. But Mike Leach has this thing going, and I'm just curious how they're now going to handle they are legitimate top ten team. According to the college football playoff selection committee, number eight surprised everyone there quarter. Bac uncle Rico is getting a Heisman Trophy consideration. You said there's just such a spotlight on on this cougar team is they go and now face cow on Saturday night. A Cal team that knocked off Washington, and it has a really good defense. And and it will be looking for the upset, but I'm very very curious. How Washington state is going to handle this type of spotlight. I know they have been in some big games before. But but now they're in this position of of really being the favorite to win the Pac twelve and make things. Interesting possibly for the college football playoff selections, depending on how I think shake out with seven teams ranked above them. So they just continue to be a fascination for me, well beyond Mike Leach and everything he has to say. Yeah. No. I agree. I'm very curious to see how whether they can close the deal because I have not been able to pass us. We talked about on the show earlier in the week. Their inability his inability to to beat the Chris Peterson teams your dub in the apple Cup. So November is going to be a lot of fun watching the cougs. My extra point really piggybacks on on the question atom answered in walk Owens about Frank solich one has one hundred sixty first game as a college coach last night, Ohio blowing out western Michigan fifty nine to fourteen. So let's seventy four years old. And he just keeps winning at Ohio. Of course, he he was at Nebraska for several years a couple of decades ago, but may be curious one hundred sixty one wins. I looked at the list of the top ten active. Winning coaches in the FBI, and when I say winning I mean number of wins, not winning percentage and number one is Brian Kelly a long history at the lower levels of Paul Johnson. At Georgia Tech is number four. Again, a lot of time at Georgia Southern before they were in the F B S. Terry Bowden has Terry Bowden evolve people, I think is sixth. Yeah. Sixth in career victories. Terry about now at Akron and. You know after many years at Auburn and before that at Sanford. So and Willie Fritz to one hundred sixty six victories a lot of those. But most of them, in fact below the FBI s level so. To atoms point of the guys at that level can coach and we see it in the fact that they some of them eventually do get the chance to get up to the FBI and they do win or more accurately they continue to win. That's it for today show. Thanks to Ryan. Thanks to Adam. Thanks to fill steel, of course into gay for stepping in for. Josh. We will be back Monday to. Go over everything about what appears to be the best Saturday in college football this season at least until championships added until Monday beano. Beano outta here. Thank you for listening to campus conversation. 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CFB Week 8 Preview

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CFB Week 8 Preview

"As someone who lives in breezy college football, I can promise you that this season will bring the mayhem. You'll feel it during huge wins and heartbreaking losses on Dame, winning drive, drives it in a post game Fender bender. This season teaming up with AllState highlight these key moments. The let fans know if mayhem can show up on game day. Imagine what can happen. The rest of the week for expert advice call your local agent today. Into the game, you kind of your money. That's how you find out who's bet. All my bets were safe. That wouldn't be any juice juice point spreads the prophets, the teasers, the parlays from Vegas to use these these behind the bat. Another behind the beds podcast. We're taking this on Wednesday, October seventeenth such a busy time of year baseball playoffs dodgers win and thirteen innings. Some controversy surrounding Manny Machado. We'll talk about baseball betting with John Murray of the west gate will also discuss the NBA which is now underway and also the college football cards. So we'll get some sharp plays from the other side of the counter when John joins us and also Phil Steele is going to join us after another strong week here on the pods. We'll get his five place for this coming week and we'll discuss the three ranked matchups as well. We're have some fun with Phil and John coming up. Also, we had some fun last week with Bryan win Horst and Preston Johnson professional better for from Vegas who contributes a lot on ESPN dot com. We did a NBA season win totals draft. So go check that out. Still. A lot of opportunities to play there and also just good MBA chatter it all the season. Kinda snuck up on all of us. So go check that out. And one reminder, Brian does a great job on another podcast, the hoop collective. So make sure you download that as well. If you are NBA fan because some great content there and some great content coming up straight ahead here on the behind the vets podcast, stop hammer time. It was deathly hammer time last week with Phil Steele's. Let's bring him back fill. Are you buddy? I am doing great Mr. two and one. How about yourself? I know it's without fail, although it was very wise. I, we talked about her. I loot it to it last week. You wanna you wanna move one of the games late at night. So if you're one in one, you know it's a winner if you're if you're too, and then you know, it's definitely a loser, and that was what I did with Michigan something we, we started that that thought process on my ends. I really appreciate you on that because you got me at least going in that direction and. Then I started kicking the tires on that. Nice, yeah, Michigan game, you know, I tell you what they pretty much dominated if you look at Michigan, they sure look like one of the best teams in the country, one of the most complete teams and it was really fade on Wisconsin. Look there. Now, one in five against the number this year, the badgers and the only time they covered was that flew cover against Iowa and I, it's a different situation. There's the first time they were under dogs all season getting more than a touchdown is enticing and just like you and I discussed on the podcasts. It was like at first thought, it's like gimme all those points. And then you break it down. This defense is just not the same as we've seen in years past with whiskey in, you know, you wanna take that dog, but as soon as they go down seven, nothing or whatever may be, you're like, wait a second. What am I doing here in this atmosphere? The big house on a Saturday night, national television. Yeah. And you know, like you mentioned four point four yards per carry. They're giving up on the air banged up secondary, and it wasn't really a fluke cover against Iowa was misleading final score, but Wisconsin did get the cover on the game winning touchdown. They just added an extra touch on too late to make it appear like of ROY game, which was not. That's right. They were laying three and a half, I believe. Right. So good stuff on your end last week off Asli the other extra game we touched on was George LSU Tigers plus seven. Half was never in doubt. Yeah, pretty much dominated the line of scrimmage, and you have to be impressed with LSU. We'll see. Now, you know the one thing about LSU this year. Doug, they are three and always an underdog, and one in three is favourite. So the only time they've covered was against ole miss left to see how they do now that they're back in that favorites role like the were against Florida. So I want to go back. You really nail the handicapped would do plus three how prepared they were for that offense. They faced and really, really nailed it. How often do you focus on that when such unique offense? A lot to me, that's really the key. And you know you go back to two weeks prior when Georgia Tech played bowling? Green. I was all over Georgia Tech land, big points to bowling green, and you're thinking really that Georgia Tech's doing much but bowling green never face that option and bowling. Greens weakness was rush defense. So the option is unique animal and I do treat those games separate from most other games, like is prepare for them, and you gotta know whether it defenses prepared has extra week to prepare, or if it's the first time seeing the option, then you know, you're gonna struggle with it got there, and it was a strong handicap from North Carolina as well diving deeper than just the box scores, knowing that this team that. Played last weekend with so much different than the one that earlier in the season and we broke down the thought process of going first half first game didn't really matter with Illinois, but I wonder move forward if we're gonna have some other ones. Yeah, really not looking at any first half in this week's one, but pretty much just five side place here. All right, let's get to it because the first of the five games on a discusses a game that I know a lot of Sharp's have been on all week and opened eight and a half move to nine and a half. And that's Missouri. Why Missouri in this spot. Well, here's the main thing that somebody touched base with you last week when we were discussing the over in the Missouri Alabama game, and I said, drew lock against power. Five bowl, teams has a ratio of and I'm I think it was nineteen and twenty four heading into the week. It's out twenty and twenty six twenty touchdowns twenty six interceptions if they're playing power, five bowl team. Now if they're playing anybody else, power, five losing team or a group of five team or an f. c. s. team. It's amazing. Doug sixty touchdown passes nine interceptions and time I checked. Memphis comes in now. That's the only reason naturally, but it's a pretty good reason because when you watch drew lock. I mean, I think the last three weeks against quality SEC teams one touchdown, five interceptions. He is anxious to get a big game going here. Now, let's take a look where Memphis is coming in. Memphis just had their Super Bowl. They played UCF last week. Yeah, they've got two losses on the air, but a win over UCF. You're back in the race in the AFC and it was Memphis game thirty. The seventeen at the half. They lead into the fourth quarter. They were up the entire game against UCF. UCF gets touchdown in the fourth quarter, comes back and beats them by a point. So you just played your Super Bowl, all out. Eight plus effort should have beaten UCF. Now you gotta go on the road and play a non conference game. I think they're in a flat spot here coming off a super effort last week and Missouri is coming in off three straight losses. So you know, you've got Missouri at home Memphis off that and true lock is taken on the type of defensive. He likes to take on here. I like Missouri lane the the nine and a half an hour. Certainly a strong handicapped. What about I've seen in the past, I'd can't have attracted this particular season, but they sing Alabama the week after when your team, theatrically. Beat up. I know we've seen that in when there would Alabama has a more competitive opponent, whether it's be Georgia or Auburn, you want that cupcake afterwards, the some of the some of the names I'm trying. I'm blanking out, but some of the cupcakes we've all seen Bama and Georgia play the week after the iron wrote or bamn LSU. What about just the fact that Missouri just played Bama. To differences here. The first one is I don't think Missouri's all fired up thinking they were going to beat Alabama, like you would in what you mentioned a competitive game LSU at home at night valley. Second is I don't know if this Alabama team is physical as the ones that used to be two, three years ago. Remember they used to just pound you with football run right in on y'all gave long and that defense or just downright nasty? Well, they're defense, I don't think is up to that level and offense. They're throwing the football over two yard. They're not pounded on every play after play after play. It's to make a big place. So in this case, I don't think the post Bama factor is any effect. Great point. Trevor Manitoba used to co host on Saturdays with on radio, all the Anaconda, where they would just suffocate you by the third quarter. You think you're in the game, and all of a sudden you're down to scores and realize you're not getting two more scores. The rest of the game that Trevor triggers a hell of a football mind. The has a nice analogy and Brad touched on it. Is that Georgia sort of that new Bama limited offense. Suffocating defense didn't materialize last week Dallas you, but that's a great point because as Bama team is young and does not have that imposing physical presence that we've seen Bama teams in the past. We'll nother team that a lot of sharps, Ron was USC last week, got a little Harry at the end against Colorado, but they did get the cover and give the buffaloes their first loss of the season. Now you see on the road and you like them plus six and a half at rice Eccles, which historically a very tough place to play. Yeah. Let me give you the reasons on this one. Now, first of all, my computer does have Utah when this thing by like seven to ten, and here's the reason why Utah's off too big, blowout wins. They blew out Stanford. They blew up Amazon a- and USC on the road this year when into Stanford and at Texas lost by a combined fifty four to seventeen. They weren't even close, right? So you had all those factors together and the fact that the underdogs done well in this series, Utah's done wellness series against the spread. And that's why Utah's a six and a half, almost seven point favorite in the game. Now, here's why I'm gonna put some poke a lot of holes in what I just said. You look at the last two games for Utah. They'd played Stanford without Bryce love, which is a big difference and Sanford in that game actually had the first down edge twenty six to twenty two and the yardage, Utah tacked on a couple of scores late to turn it into a forty two, twenty one blowout. I don't think there is dominant to score would indicate and remember they weren't underdog for that game. And then last week against. Zona Khalil Tate. I remember the previous week again gained by Cal two to one and we sell as well. Good. Cal was last week, Arizona loss Khalil Tate in the first quarter. They're playing to Khalil Tate less not very good Zona team and blow out big. That's okay. Very proud of that. They had lost Washington state by four loss to Washington by fourteen. Now let's go back and look at those two losses for USC earlier in the year on the road. It was GT Daniels first. And second road starts against two pretty good defensive Stanford in Texas, and he struggled, but they weren't blown away in those games. In fact, they were only out I down by two first downs, thirty eight to thirty six and two games combined only outgained by forty yards per game. Turnovers them in and that's to be expected when you have a freshman, true, freshman quarterback making this first two road starts. Well, now he's veteran and you'll get a last two games. They jumped out to a twenty four, nothing lead against Zona. They were huge against Colorado and sort of led up well now US's not the big favourite in this series. If you go back and look at this series laugh. Last. The only eight meetings recently between the two USC is five and three, and Utah's wins have been by four, three and three points. Let's face it. Come winning going to be happy with a one point victory here, and I'm right the offenses breaking down dead, even right. The defenses, dead even slight edge. Maybe almost to USC and special teams, believe it or not, where Utah normally has a large bandage dead even. So I got dead even dead, even dead, even Utah's at home at rice Eccles where they're tough, but US's got the motivation of being an underdog. I'm taking the big points here six and a half points with USC. I think it's a set of by field goal one way or the other and went surprised me if USC in this role underdog comes out on top Klay helps Bennett disaster against the point spreads specially since the beginning last year. But back tobacco covers as favorites. Let's see if he can keep that that train going. I mentioned go ahead. I, I also think a lot of clay Helton struggles against the spread have been being figured. Too much and winning games, but not winning by enough, and he doesn't have to worry about that. Here is six point dog. I think he's struggled as an underdog as well. Googling it right now because I took Stanford earlier the season in one of my picks and my call him and it's actually up right now. So we're already there. All right. Dog zero zero last year way. Doug one and three last year, the last two years. So. One of these brands. So USC since CARA left in two thousand nine eight and sixteen as an underdog, eleven and twenty four against ranked teams is Utah ranked. Believe Utah is right. So it's more like the brand that is USC. Right, right. Yeah, this is a very on US C-type line, isn't it? Yeah, no it is. You're right because they're usually wrote favorites and things like that. But you mentioned it like in by the way, Utah's not rank the receiving votes, but they're not right. So anyway, I just want to throw those stats. Next we've talked about in the past on the pot. So something we also talked about was last week, North Carolina. Are you figured out or you determine sort of kind of getting their stuff together, but here they are on the road and you like them again at Syracuse, which is laying more than a touchdown. This is a different Syracuse team than we've seen years bath. Yeah, it sure is. And if you saw Syracuse at home against Florida state who are highly motivated as an underdog, and they didn't just want to win that game, they wanted to punish Florida state and that they did thirty seven use them as the big underdog against Clemson and really enjoyed that game because it was very comfortable. You know you're up by. You're in the second half getting over three touchdowns in the game. You really didn't have to worry plus Clemson lost their starting quarterback in the second quarter as it was Clemson at a rally pulled out the win disappointed with the effort against Pitt. But overall, this is a much better Syracuse team, Eric Dungy. If you haven't watched Syracuse closely together, can hurt you with his legs and hurt you with his arm and outstanding ten, four ratio, five point six yards per carry. It's a good Syracuse team, but let's go back to last week, North Carolina, Virginia Tech game. And that's gonna continue to give his value. The rest of the season watch the game, North Carolina. Clearly the spirit team. They had five hundred twenty two yards of three seventy five at the end of the game, despite shooting themselves in the foot about ten times during the game misfield goals. I mean at the half, they had two hundred sixty two, two one eighteen yard ED's. They had four drives deepen for gene tech territory, Virginia Tech, and one drive into their territory. And it was only nine, seven still at the end of the game. They're up by two. They have a first and goal at the one yard line. There's only a couple of minutes a game. Put it away, hands off the runningback ball pops in the air. Virginia Tech recovers drives the length of the field, the polls out the wind, twenty two nineteen, but North Carolina did everything. But when the game they lost their starting quarterback Cade and injury, and that when I don't know, Ford is gonna play, but Nathan Elliott did good enough in this place. I like the way Antonio Williams running the football for them. And as I pointed out on last week's podcast, this is not the start of the season North Carolina when they were missing thirteen suspended players. They've got everybody back. And now they're one in four. They absolutely need to win like what their offense is. Doing. Average five point two yards per carry defensively. They are holding opponents eighteen yards below their season. Average Syracuse, meanwhile, given opponents twelve yards above their season, average North Carolina's played a pretty tough schedule Miami and Virginia Tech and back back weeks and and both games misleading. In fact, once again, they've got about two hundred yards. One hundred twenty five yardage and the two games combined if they end up losing them both. So you still the very underrated North Carolina getting over a touchdown on the. Owed and Syracuse has been living on that underdog mentality for years. You remember other big upsets pulling at home and the games they take close, it's in the underdog mentality, but now they're not the underdog there the favourite here, and I'm not Garth Carolina plus the big points. Again, there that is blasphemy for people around these walls. Phil, I mean, come on this is full of Syracuse people around here. There's a lot of the orange doing so well, one thing I didn't want to bring up because one of my colleagues did mention this, he's actually traveling up to the game GNC who oversees podcast serious, be any mentioned that this team is built for the dome. They've struggled obviously at it in that sloppy weather. What do you make of that? Not just it's a road game for North Carolina, but you know, there's a reason Syracuse place so well at home because of just the environment and that it's built that way or constructed that way. I do think there are a lot at home and you make them a home dog and they can beat Clemson last year in a big upset that was outstanding. Later year they played wake four. At home actually had Syracuse in that game. I was weighing about seven. We were up at the half awake force just came back and beat them sixty four forty three, and later in the year at home against Boston College lost by twenty eight. You know, one of the bandages they have in the dome in September is the fact that things not air conditioned, and it's actually hotter in the dome that probably is outside. But now it's very cool weather in Syracuse. So I don't think the North Carolina's gonna have to deal with heat in this one. All right. You mentioned Syracuse now to temple, which is hosting a ranked Cincinnati squad and the owls. I always this is a big thing in college basketball. When you have a unranked team lane points to a ranked team, it's like, you know, without failed is back the back, the unranked team lane points. I don't know if it holds true in football terms of the ATS record over the years, but it's certainly a good sign here. Yeah. And the other thing I really like about the game is Cincinnati was not ranked in the past game. This is the first time they've been ranked all year. I, I'm in years. They've been ranked and I can't say how many times I'm going through the recaps of the games which I do every Sunday night Monday morning and the right of we'll say, oh, they were ranked for the first time ever. But now they lost. They lost now. They lost happens all the time. I think it's happened three or four times this year, a Cincinnati team that got the six, no of their best game of the season was to lane beating lane like they did handle them easily. Their defense is doing extremely well hundred three yards below their season average. But you go through the rest of their games. They played UCLA in the first game of the new coaching staff with drastic changes. Miami was a game played in downpour. They actually it's like a seven, nothing game. It turned into twenty one. Nothing because of the weather. The only two hundred twenty three yards. It'd beat Alabama and the Ohio game allow you actually completely outplayed them in the first half at two thirty six one thirty one yard edge, lead twenty four, seven since he rebounded came back to win late and then everybody beats Connecticut. Forty, nine to seven. And the one thing I'm looking at we since he this year though, is there in some. Verified air six all. And you know, everybody's been patting them on the back for the last two weeks and they're off a bye and now they're going to play temple. And if you follow temple last year, you know, I thought Jeff Collins got off to a horrific start last year. They were losing games as favorites. They were barely getting past Villanova barely got past you mass. They were two and three. The the season seemed headed for doom. Actually, there were three and five last year, then all of a sudden they won five of the last six games. Well, this year they're lost villanovan buffalo at home, both as favorites. How do you do that? But since then they have to dominated Maryland on the road. They'd be Tulsa by fourteen. I thought they played a very good game against Boston College. VC got a late touchdown to make that ah, ten point game. They crushed East Carolina and even last week against navy. They had a four hundred nine to twenty four year de. You'll love the defense. They're at home. They're a team to peak is peaking. They're getting better and better by the week each week. They're getting a better average game. Great. And I just think the pressure, the six zero and the unusual situa-. For Cincinnati will affect them here, and I think temples better football team. So you got the better football team at homeland, three and a half or three. Actually, in this one, I'm taking the temple owls minus three over since he. I will say this. The Bearcats have been covering machine five and one against the spread. You mentioned the Ohio game. That was a one time they did not cover. They were laying touchdown and only one by four, but this has been a team that has really rewarded backers, not just as underdogs, which was early MRIs, and you mentioned UCLA, but they're covering his chock here. And this is an interesting one though, because they are back to being a dog despite being undefeated the season. Yeah. And being like I said, being ranked for the first time with something that really made me perk up. All right. Sounds good. I, I like that. Let's wrap it up in the SEC a conference I have struggled with despite my Bama first half backing Auburn against ole miss. So take me through this game. Well, it's pitiful right? It just lost the Tennessee. Yeah, shot telling you they can't even run the football worth anything, and it's it's really affecting and you go back to last year. Doug, they had just beating Georgia and Alabama and they lost carrying Johnson. The injury, Georgia, they averaged three point seven yards per carry and loss UCF they ever two yards per carry and loss. And every f. b. s. game this year with the exception of Mississippi State, they've average below four yards per carry and pretty much struggle. Now they did manage to beat Washington and Arkansas and southern miss. But it's sort of the last two weeks losing a Mississippi State and Tennessee. However, they did have a fifty two yards last week, eve of foam return for touch on third quarter, although they did score late TD so probably had something to do with the edge, but they're taking on an old misty fence here, which just struggles against this is so bad. Almost giving up in SEC play two hundred sixty three yards per game on the ground. Five point five yards per carry. And if it's going to be success. While offense in need to run the ball. Now, this game was played three weeks ago dug when Auburn was in the top ten and Mississippi State was coming off at forty five to sixteen beat down by LSU spreads what Auburn minus seventeen I it would have been huge. And here, Auburn is lay in three, three and a half in this game on the road in a must win situation. Catching a lot of eat. They're just foreign three. It's early game. I don't think the crowds gonna be overly intimidating for them, and I think they get the run game going. If they get the run game going, I think they play a lot better and there's no doubt we have a far better defense with Auburn, their only giving up three hundred thirty four yards per game this year, three point four yards per carry and fifty three percent completions. Hold their opponents to sixty one yards below their season average. You gotta vastly better defense an offense. It should be able to do what they need to do to win, and you're almost it's almost like a pick em situation at three, three and a half. I think Auburn goes in there and gets the win pretty gets it gets it by touchdown or more. If you. Watched last week's Mississippi Arkansas game. It's just forgot the branch net Arkansas's up by two scores. Most of the game, one of those things where at the very end Arkansas's without the quarterback without their top two running backs and ole miss was able to rally for the win. But Arkansas probably should've beaten by a couple of scores last week. You know, it's, it's interesting. I get fascinated by these, you know, sort of situations where one team is arithmetic on on defense, the other teams horrific on offense. Oh, who's gonna give on that game. I'm excited to watch us game just because I had a ole miss over early the season. They didn't get there was Kent state, but you know, there's one of those games against that a first and goal into punting just strange state move the ball without being very prolific on offense. Elements can can't get stuff done, but ole miss Alabama over. I. Six at the half fifty six at the half of the total seventy. Hi, I had that as that's that's how I went to one that weekend. That was. And you are celebrating a win, weren't you? Well, you know, it's funny on on sportscenter. Excuse me, I I had a loser. That was my column pick I I wouldn't want into in college because that's stupid game. But on sportscenter I gave out the Bama team total over which got there by halftime, but. I, that one does smart because that's when I realized that's the weekend. Honestly, when I realized Bama first half was a gravy train and much more wiser, just seeing how how they brought in the ORs, how elementary Bama went on offense. That's when. Old miss was taken the full forty five seconds between place. They just wanted to get out of there. They weren't even trying to score. I wonder if there's a sign between coaches to say, hey, we're waving the white flag here. Yeah, it was clear what ole miss was doing. And I think that had saving back off as well because I mean, if ole miss even tempted to score, you gotta feel it would have been able to. And I think what one point short of the total think depend like one and a half or something like that. Yeah, it was painful. It was painful because bay obviously just lit it up, but that defense shut him down after giving him a touchdown. The I, I drive verse play, play strike after the kickoff. Let's talk more about Bama because where do you stand onto a plane this week and how do you handicap this game at at Tennessee and get bama's? They're gonna win, but now they're laying twenty nine against the Valls and we're not one hundred percent sure to his point. Yeah, that's a game I would stay away from because you know if two now too. I thought. So then this post game press conference that he felt better at this point this week than he did last week, which lead me would be me to believe to say he's playing the game. But then again, you never know what's going to happen at the quarterback position. And if he does play, I mean, do you take a chance you got LSU in two weeks? So how long do you let them play in this particular game? If you want him to reiterate it? I personally completely away from the game. I mean, it's a twenty eight and a half point favorite. I don't like land twenty eight and a half. I don't like going against Alabama on the road because that's Bama travels less people on the road. So it's not like they can go deeper into the bench like he can at home and the spread usually a little bit light around the road than it is at home. So it's it's easier for them to cover his way favorite. I think that is home favourite for those reasons. So I personally just watch the game and and see how it plays out. That's a fascinating. Fascinating analysis there. So you're saying Bama doesn't take as many guys on the road as they do so the when the quote unquote scrubs play him, bam, reserves that you're more inclined have talent, you're more likely to have talent on the field because they don't go as deep on the road. Yeah, you're only down maybe the top of your third string as opposed to at home when you can even get to your your walk on going because you can't travel everybody. Well, first half or not posted yet. They do that about Thursday evening if I'm not mistaken or Thursday early evening, but we're we're, I mean, what do I do here? It's a gravy train. I've been back in all season. Seven. Oh, against the number in the first half, where do we go with this? Let me give it a little handicapping history here. Doug take your way back. I think what was your? The bears were so good this with the Super Bowl type eighty five. Okay. So it's about mid year. I played the New England, Patriots. I won four times with the patriots right off the bat, and they have covering against the spread each week. I just kept playing take the patriot. Take the patriots. They get to the playoffs. They're playing the Miami Dolphins and back then the patriots were sort of if he team, this is the Miami Dolphins and the line was like three. Why was it three because the patriots are such a hot streak. Guess what? I played the patriots again, they won. They played the Oakland Raiders and you're like, okay, once again, the spread was off, they weren't wasn't getting enough still played. They want again took it all the way to the Super Bowl played the patriots against the bears got killed. But you know what? I think I went twelve and one so you can when you play on the streaky win many times you only lose once my advice play your streak. That is great advice. One correction there, Phil. Okay. Eighty five. It was the LA raiders. Why do I know that? Because I was there. I was at that game a very sad. Youngster. Nothing at my dad saying, I thought we were supposed to win. That they're the better team there at home you you just as soon the game's over. Right and the spread you figure this would be like seven, but it was only like three in the game because the patriots just been covering every week, and there's people that were just going to the window taking money off the patriots every single week. So I can imagine speaking of painful, I I grew up in Cleveland. Okay. All right. I got nothing you're there? No, look, I, it was a great point. I guess. I think I've been getting ahead of the curve. Let's call it on Thursday when these first half lines get posted because you know they're gonna steam up. I saw the west gate opened in nineteen and a half when the market was at eighteen. They were certainly a head of the curve and got to nineteen and a half of actually on Saturday. I guess the thing is, you can't bet because you don't know about two, but if to a suiting up and you get that alert, I think you gotta go in on first half when you say, well, you know, there's another thing that I really like. I call it the order back injury system and it's when a when a big time quarterback is not planned. Three things happened. Number one, the line moves number two. The rest of the team says, hey, we're not just about their quarterback where team, you know, we we're, we could play without them and they give an extra effort and the opponent. Let's down a little bit. You had all those things, three things together. I think it's announced to is not playing. You're going to get a cheaper line. And I think bama's first string will be out there and go on a mission. So I would still play bam in the first half, we'll depends what the adjustment is. You can say that like with Brock Osweiler last weekend with the dolphins, although the bear should've won covered, would've could've should've understand. Right. But I think too, is that much better and I've seen what hurts does on offense and it's very limiting, I guess, again, again, it would just depend with the line would change too. I see the logic there, but I mean to is just that much better than hurts in my opinion. But can we just go ahead. No, I think he's gonna play. Yeah, I do too. We just recap how the first half did not go over last week. It landed forty. First-half was forty and a half. I gave that out on air went to and won because of that instead of three. No. But you got the receiver pulling him. They kicked like a million field goals and they had I go on the four and somehow punch it in. I don't understand how that game did not go over in the first half. Yeah, it's sorta like the Bama ole miss game that nocco over in the I, I understand at the end of the half, you're probably thinking, I've got this. Got this and up, didn't work. Now both were losing with a couple of minutes to go. So it took it took Bama to complete a long pass and all that. Now that typically happens with Bama, but your date, you're serious danger. Grave danger is the kind. Oh, ensue at that point. So with that being said, I think you should just should just be happy. Let's talk about couple of high profile games. Clemson NC state a couple of ACC unbeatens, but the oddsmakers are not stupid. They know one team is much better than the other seventeen and a half the Tigers. You got an undefeated team at five and catching seventeen and a half. What are your thoughts here. You know, sometimes when you get a team like Clemson, you may look past certain opponents, especially mid year, and maybe that give your full focus. But there are three reasons for Clemson to give their full focus here. First of all, last week's attrition by the top ten teams, four of them going down and three others fighting for survival and the game. I think that will will have caught glimpses attention second, their fresh off a bye week. So this is a team that's at home in death valley. They haven't been at home for a game since the end of September. Now here we are towards the end of October. So it's been almost a full months played a home game. They're gonna be anxious to get out there. And then the third is NC states record. I mean, we're talking about undefeated team roll in here, your challenger in the ACC. I believe they're gonna get Clemson to a game this week, and that's that's always on the scary side with NC state. You know, I watch him against Marshall. That was sort of an an even games. He later richer for touchdown, partial the ball down. Ten was driving. But I thought that Marshall played them fairly tight in that game. At the the Virginia game, they did win comfortably. And then Boston College is just to tell to half, they dominated the first half. But at the end of the game twenty eight twenty three in BC had a couple of opportunities last year. I liked NC state in this game a lot because I thought we had two defensive lines were basically equal. NC state was at home and NC state, give them everything. They wanted only lost by seven. This year, the defensive lines are not equal. Once he states has been playing well, those four guys. They had started last year on the NFL clemson's four guys who would be in the NFL back. I think that's a nice evanger. Interpret Lawrence good more comfortable each and every game. So I think the situation definitely favors clumps into this one and I wouldn't go against Clemson in death valley with too many teams that are not going to here. I'll take Clemson minus seventeen seventeen and a half. One thing we always talk about is the spot the spot usually is you wanna fade those high rank teams lane double digits, but you're right. NC state will have their attention. To another death valley LSU wins outright as an underdog coach. Oh, delivers like he has been throughout his career as a dog. He's hosting another BULLDOGS coming in. So Mississippi State at LSU Tigers have been great this year as a underdog, but as a favorite, they've covered just wants here. They're lane six and a half. Yeah. And you know situation is great for Mississippi State in this one. First off you watch last year's game. Mississippi State did control that the ones scrimmage, which was surprising to me. I actually leaned with LSU game last year and a Mississippi State just ran the ball down their throat, and that's something I'm sure I have LSU motivated, but in the same token LSU is, I mean they just went into Florida played. A big game went down to the wire, then they home and death valley is underdog the Georgia big game. Now it's a third straight, big game and Mississippi state's fresh off a bye and again, a lot of confidence because it gets very good, Auburn, defense, Ann Arbor defense. It's had been given up like three yards per carry. They gash them for six point one yards per carry. We're able to run the football on them. Both teams this year have lost a Florida and both teams this year have beaten offered. And if you look at the difference, Mississippi State against, so sue foes, three point, five points per game, LSU minus three point, five points per game. So I. Teams are fairly close here. It is at night in death, valley LSU's playing with confidence, and I think l. issues the better team. But I think the situation favors Mississippi State I personally, I was hoping that the number would be double digits would take Mississippi State. And if the number is three, I would take LSU with put the number right where I had it, which is right about seven. So I personally will probably stay away from it, but I think it'd be a really good game. Yeah. No, it's it's going to be interesting to see how much LSU has left in the tank. You mentioned the win at the swamp and some other big wins and games this year. Swamp. Excuse me, lots of this, but just some big atmosphere. Like last week's game, you know, brought it all. And then here I mean, it's a night game at death valley. It's going to be curious to see when this team runs out of steam. If at all could be this weekend. But again, that line seems about right. Another ranked match of the third for this weekend is where game day is Pac, twelve country. Finally, going to watt. Zoo should be an electric atmosphere. I was gonna kick out of those. Early games, right? So early, it's six AM out there in the west coast, and I've been out there when game day radio traveled at UCLA and some other places in the past Seattle we, that was the venue we were at for the Washington USC game a couple years ago, but here's Oregon, which I've been really impressed. I thought they were dead dead dead, but just going to be really hard to pick themselves up off the mat after blowing that game at home to Stanford. But hats off to the ducks they've bounced back five and one now following a win over Washington, thou they gotta take the cougs in Pullman. Yeah, it's inter- it's interesting when they were off that overtime game against Stanford the very next week they traveled to face California, which was fresh off a bye see thought the situation was huge in California's favor yet the ducks handle they won the game forty two, twenty four on the road, love the way just in Herbert's playing this year seventeen to five ratio. I do think he's the probably one overall pick in the draft. You know, a quarterback elevate at the end. I know. Moses up there and Oliver's up there. But just in Herbert is who's gonna specimen. You could Ronnie big, he's got everything he wanted to quarterback. I think Herber will be possibly the number one pick in the draft and he's playing like it for the most part is you met, say, dominate, Stanford last week, you don't wash MRs fields at the end of the regulation. We got a whole different story on Oregon. If that feel goes through, you had a two loss team that's going nowhere. But here they are now they control their own destiny. Both teams actually control their own destiny. If they went out, they win their division and get to the Pac twelve title game in both still ever shot at making the place. I think that Oregon better football team, but the situation with Washington stay off a bye is huge game day being on hand love the way they waved the Washington state flake and all those game days, all these years. And now they finally get the host one at home and about her and her Menchu East Carolina transfer is sort of playing in obscurity for years. And now I hit sixty nine percent of the nineteen four ratio. I would take the points in this one because I feel organs. Football team, but way I tell you what? Pullman, Washington, very tough place to play and remember they beat USC NF riday night. Last year, the this will be an even bigger environment than it was for that. I'm excited for that when it's gonna be good, apple Cup this year as well. One other game I skipped over it and I apologize. It's another ranked matchup very interesting because both teams almost would be ripe for a flat spot, but it's a rivalry game in actually, today we're taping this on Wednesday. October seventeenth is is the three year anniversary. That's strange loss by the wolverines punting and the Sparty blocked it and returned. It just just improbable win. So here's a ranked matchup in east Lansing, wolverines lane a touchdown on the road against their rivals. Yeah. And you know, ever since my car are those comments about the little brothers series just been dominated by Michigan state, I think perfect against the spread. They've dropped a couple of games straight up and so they'll be fired up for it. But you know, if I'm horrible, I'm in the locker room. I'm like, you know what I've heard enough about this little brother stuff. It was a little brother anyway. They kicked your for all these years. Go on, do something about it. And I just think Michigan's got more horses this year. You look at them defensively, they're holding the phone to two hundred eleven yards per game, a low, their season average. That's a best Mark in the country. Michigan state's got good defense, but it's about number twenty eight in my rankings. Number seventy holding the post seventy four yards per game blow their season average while they had the nation's best rush defensive. And in the last week, hence they ran the ball for two hundred and five yards out them. I think the way Michigan's running the football with hidden and Wilson and Evans that they can run the football on Michigan state, even though the Spartans have been pretty tough there, Michigan is gonna be just as fired up as the home. Dog will be for this one shape. Patterson playing pretty well. And I had big expectations. Bryan Brian, the work this year. Last year. Remember the work. He had twenty touchdowns seven interceptions. He ran the ball for five hundred eighty two yards about just eighty three yards. Rushing midseason and he's only got an eight seven ratio. So I think Michigan's quarterback playing better their defense definitely better. I just think Michigan's better football team. In the last time they came here spurred stadium. They were massive favorite ineffective. I think the spread was close to three touchdowns in the game. Michigan state did get a late score in that one to make the final thirty to twenty three. This scored a touchdown with twenty. I think it was twenty seconds to go into game or something like that. So Michigan is able to handle this atmosphere in went on the road in spurred stadium, like wolverines in this one. I like that handicap, but I liked that motivational channeling your energy, Jim Harbaugh speak. So I'm fired up. I'm banging on the lockers right now. Brenna go out there and hit someone. I know I would be that's for sure. Well, this is my reaction. I'm going twelve for twelve weakened, and that includes the Monday night parlay. You've motivated me. You've motored me to go out there and pick a bunch of winners and run the table. Awesome. Doug. And what you know what if you go to and one, you've had a great week as well. Certainly be monitoring the two status because I even said it on air like I'm not about to get off this gravy train. I mean, I'm getting to that point. It's just insane. And at some point you would think it's gonna lose. But you mentioned that the patriots run the mid eighties, like you're only going to be wrong once would you can be wrong a bunch of times you try to go against it. We'll see. We'll see what happens with to, but it is look. They've been saying on sports entering the introduced me. I look at him like guys, you know anything about gambling. Don't jigs here, but what every time we'll see. But thank you for the insight and analysis and obviously great stuff throughout all of our platforms. And we'll look for to your piece with the bear Stanford Steve on ESPN. Dot com. All right. Sounds great. Doug always great talking to you and as always good luck this weekend. My friend. Thank you. 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Did you did you any any Penske file issues or anything along the? Nothing that exciting. Just a little recap of the weekend? Probably some of the same things I'm about to share with you guys. Did you leave any briefcases in there with a tape recorder to make sure that you talk about you when you left the room, which for some reason was contained a running tape recorder? I think the m should be you. Yeah. No, no, no running tape recorder. Just a very, very quick meeting which recap the weekend. We had our best college football Saturday, the season, this pass out. Good, good. I'm happy to hear. They explain to explain to us and I think I know where you're gonna go with this. We're gonna talk, Michigan, Wisconsin, but why was it such a successful weekend? Well, we. Want every decision. I mean, every big decision just went our way is the simplest way to put it. I mean, some highlights Michigan Wisconsin was like, you just mentioned central Florida Memphis. That game was really good for us. Memphis covered as a dog there LSU beat Georgia outright. That was one of the more heavily bet games. I was state. Unfortunately, for me beat the West Virginia mountaineers just all the big decisions seem to go away on Saturday. Well, we've talked about it a bunch on the pot, and I know it's something you and I was going to chuckle about is the public backing the square or the square square underdog basically. And they were all about Wisconsin more than touchdown here, and we saw some reverse line movements upping. I discussed on sportscenter wrote about in the columnists fascinates me because I'm a nerd this stuff, but it really is rare that you see a line move up when so much money is on the underdog. Well, there was a lot of sharp money earlier in the week on Michigan laying seven and a half laying eight and a half. I don't think actually got all the way to ten until Friday. But yeah, the public was definitely all about the badgers, fading, my guy, Jim Harbaugh, and that's not. And you know that that game. I think the final score was a little bit misleading. I don't think it was quite that one sided. I think Michigan was the right side, but I think that game was a little bit closer than the final score indicates. And especially that big, there's a big penalty on Wisconsin for roughing. The long snapper Michigan's long snapper Cheesman which continue to Michigan drive where they were punting, Michigan scoring touch on that drive, and they kind of blew the game open from there. But even though I was rooting for Michigan, I thought that was pretty questionable call. I wanna talk more about the your, your guy, Jim Harbaugh because you've you've been on this train about Michigan, not being done yet, given all their quality, potential quality wins remaining on the schedule. Moving at Notre Dame in the opener. Certainly not going to disqualify them. We've learned that from the first handful years of the college football, playoff one loss teams, especially an early loss does not prohibit you from reaching the college football playoff? No. If they went out which would include a win over Michigan. I'm sorry, Ohio State in Columbus. The last weekend of the year. They'd have to win the big ten championship game obviously. But if they went out and they finished the year, twelve and one and their one loss at Notre Dame on the first week of the season, I definitely think they'll get into the college football playoff, and after they lost that Notre Dame game opening week, I said on the show like don't disguise not falling. If you're a Michigan fan, Michigan's fine. And they've done a good job of regrouping, but they've got their really tough games still to come, especially that Ohio State game after losing at Notre Dame. They've. The covered four of six kind of bounce back the rest of the way. I mean, one time even covers thirty seven point favorite. So nothing to be embarrassed about northwestern games. The one Harry game, though they almost lost escaped. The north western game is is tough sledding, but they really, they escape that north western game. It's all relative. I, I don't think we're gonna call at northwestern tough sledding if you wanna consider yourself ship team. You know what I think is the toughest conference to go undefeated in the big twelve because in the big twelve, you don't get you don't get any breaks in the schedule from year to year. You play every other team and you don't get the play like there's no stronger division versus weaker division. Whereas like any SEC the west winner gets the play the east winter or a better example, the big ten, the big ten east winner gets kind of a layup. Again, the against the big ten west winter. If you go through the big twelve and you've finished, I guess what you just have to play the number two team in the big twelve. So there's no, I really think the big twelve. I don't wanna say they're doing. Themselves a disservice, but they're making it hard for a big twelve team to get to the college football playoff because you don't get any breaks in the schedule. And you just end up playing number two team in the conference championship game very difficult to go through the big twelve and undefeated record. And I will say all those teams with all those offenses, you really can't have an off week because a team like Baylor team, like Iowa State will beat you because of the now, some of the blame is your own defense. But the other teams who quote unquote stink in the conference at least put up some points if need be. Absolutely, I think outside of Kansas, any of these teams capable of winning on any given Saturday? And you also have nine conference games in the big twelve, which is the same as the Pac twelve. The other conferences have eight. So that's another thing. Another layup non conference game, like some of the SEC and big ten schools do the big twelve. You gotta play nine conference opponents, and then the conference championship game, it's very difficult to get out of the big twelve undefeated. And that's why I say there's a good chance. We will not see a big. Twelve team in the college football playoff this season, especially if Notre Dame goes undefeated. I one hundred percent agree with you. What? What sharp axe if you obtained this week so far? Sure. Seen a seen some pretty good stuff out. Speaking of Kansas. I know I just made fun of them, but we did have a sharp group, take the jayhawks plus twenty and a half, and they're at Lubbock. This weekend play Texas Tech, North Carolina plus ten on the road in Syracuse. Shop group took that one. This one's not for the fan of heart, Doug Purdue plus fourteen at home against the Ohio State buckeyes. How do you feel about that one? I don't know. Man. I thought I thought the over was good for a high AllState last week. It did not get there because I think they're just so explosive, but their defense is are not seem defenses plural. Their defense is not that impressive. I mean, I, it's still sticks in back of my head that they gave thirty one week one to Oregon state. Now they covered a forty points pret- still, but. This is no without Bosa. Obviously, this is going to be interesting team to monitor, and I got no opinion on that Purdue game. We had Phil still early on the podcast. He likes North Carolina as well. Just given that the Adam last week to against Regina tech UNC early in the year had suspensions and injuries. This is much different team than maybe the analytics would suggest. Yeah, the doors Carolina's is a group. I really respect and just to go back to the producer game, Ohio state's defense. You lose a guy that's potentially the first overall pick in the draft and Nick Bosa. You're gonna have a big drop off defensively when you lose an impact player like that states defense is very vulnerable that I agree with you and Purdue. They're sort of writing the the ship, Brown recovers. Yeah, Brahms coach, I really like a lot, and I was very surprised by how disappointing they started the year, but it seems like they are writing the ship just in time that should be a good game. How about this one? Rutgers plus. Twenty one at home against north western. It's one of the early big ten kickoffs here. Nine AM local time in Las Vegas. I mean, Rutgers you know, we talk about it with the patriots. Like, do you feel less dumb when you back them, blah, blah, blah. I think it's totally the other in the spectrum if you're gonna put your tax income on Rutgers. I mean with all those games on the slate, we, what are you doing? Right, but every ticket gashes the same. You just have to have the right spot to back the team from New Jersey. We've got the the famed duffle bag. Boy, I'm sure you've heard about him. He loves to go against Rutgers there. That's like his favorite team to fade. So I'll be curious to see he hasn't been through here this week. I'll be curious to see if he comes in and he lays the points with north western, but that's definitely been his MO. He's faded Rutgers numerous times the season. I'm a little disappointed that duffel bag boy caught on because I, it doesn't bring duffel bag. He doesn't bring back. No, and he's and he's not a boy. The boy component actually kinda liked it because it's not a boy, right? Like the so he doesn't bring a Dell. I like Jimmy Vicario's nickname of nutball university universe. City is much better than duffle bag. Boy, all boy doesn't. It makes no sense. It's not, but it's really caught on and people people. They want updates for me all week on the duffle bag. Boy. And I try to share what I can't. He was on army this past week, army beat San Jose State fifty two to three. So the duffel bag boy got us pretty good on that one. So he collectively one according to reports a couple hundred grand on this game, right? Making up for a lot of his losses earlier in the year. Yeah, I just, I mean, he he had thirty thousand here at the west gate super book. I can't speak to any other property, but I I saw on social media right that their reports of making wagers across the state if it's true what he bet then yeah, I it sound. It felt like about a quarter of a million in total that he had an army. But my understanding is that he played back some NFL games on Sunday that didn't go as way. Okay. Again, I was just asking you to reference the hard to understand collectively read. Yeah, I think we're gonna lose that fight of changing the nickname that paulie I gotta take it up with him for trying to cement that home. I just made it. Joke about how bad the nickname was. One time I was on with Mitch, and I love Mitch, Moslem paulie Howard by the way, Mitch got so defensive. I've never even. He's never snapped at me like that before, but he he's like you, you're going to the well too much. It's it's duffle bag boy. Hey, Mitch. All right, man, whatever. Just still nickname. What do I care. Let me let me give you two more two more that I've seen some sharp action on Virginia plus seven and a half there on the road at Duke in an ACC battle and Cal laying six and a half on the road against Oregon state. You know, here at the west gate, we really need a couple more wins out of Oregon state. Our biggest decision in the wind total market. We had a gentleman made a very large bet on Oregon state under two and a half wins. They blew a game earlier this year against Nevada. We could really use to ws that of them and I don't know how we're gonna get him. So they beat the Thunderbirds southern Utah. That was there when they did lose the Nevada on the road by two. So the sharp play is what I'm sorry, Cal can this sharp group laid Cal minus the six and a half now that lines up to seven on golden bears. So you got the beavers off a bye. Yeah, it'd be hard that only takes seven, even even at home against Cal. Yeah, Oregon state's tough team to back. I can't. I like that. Virginia play Virginia plus seven and a half at Duke because I like that pick and I like that North Carolina Fiqh I've seen a few different groups right on the tar heels. It's down to nine and a half now, but they were taking ten on North Carolina earlier in the week there the carrier dome to take on Eric Dungy and the Syracuse orange? Yeah, we talked about it with Phil Steele. The only thing that say is that Syracuse t's really built for the dome. They have some speed there. I mean, they're gonna play a lot better at home than on the road, but that that pit loss I should've won covered in over in regulation went to t. but that does scare me a little bit. Excuse me live a big fan of Dino favors accused coach, I think he's if you look at what's happened to bowling green since he left. I mean, that's such. That's such a Mark of a really good coach that bowling green program has just fallen apart since he left. I think that says a lot about the coaching job. He does. How about this one? I think one of the more interesting lines of the week, Mississippi State plus six and a half at LSU only laying six and a half at home in death valley on a Saturday night. It's a tough spot for LSU coming off of that emotional win against Georgia LSU is just played a brutal schedule this year. Yeah. Another game we talked about with Philly. Thought the line was pretty spot on. I mean, Tigers we've discussed her or money. Well, as an underdog there, almost like the Tom Herman of the SEC is coach coach. Oh yeah. I was very anti coach. Oh, before the year. And I picked against him almost every week, and I finally decided I'm done I, there comes a point. Every man has a have that point where they just go, you know what? I was wrong about that and coach l. after the the very thorough beatdown of georgiana Saturday I'm done. I apologize. Carry on coach. Oh, congratulations. LSU fans that they've had a tremendous season so far. Their schedules been so hard. They played Miami on a neutral field. They played at Auburn, they played at Florida. They played Georgia. They still gotta play Ella Bama. I thought the schedule was just so hard. I thought them under wins was a great bit, and I was wrong. You mentioned the Alabama game. Now you guys have taken down your advanced lines, but some other shops across the world and in Vegas do offer just a couple of others. But we got, we had about two touchdowns favorite fifteen points maybe for Bama LSU. I don't know if it'll be quite that high. I would make it a little bit lower than that. I know that games in death valley, but Alabama, the lines are like hard to make because this is the highest power rated team I've ever seen. I've been in the business since two thousand seven. This is the highest power of college football team. I've seen duck, but the one thing I will say about Alabama. I'll give you one negative, they, it's not their fault, of course, but they haven't really played anybody yet. So it's kinda hard to tell just how great day are. 'cause they all their tough games or on the back end of their schedule. I would agree in some teams have been able to move the ball. I think Arkansas comes to mind. No one's perfect all the time. Their defense still very good, but I am. We're trying to project how they would fare get a quality opponent. Those are things you look for. And we've seen some money come in tennis, not not a lot of money, but we saw a little bit of money come in, take Tennessee plus twenty nine and a half that lines now twenty nine. I thought that was gonna be a little bit higher to be honest with you, but Tennessee is coming off of a very good win on Saturday on the road at Auburn, and I know Alabama Tennessee is a pretty big rivalry the third Saturday in October. So that should be good game. But I really. Yeah, that game came up with Phil and I've since texted with Ed. So this is fascinating because he said he would move the line only two points. If two is ruled out from twenty nine to twenty seven. He said, that's the game line already. Factors in partial, play to abuse is in play at the. Now if the line was like five, obviously it went move to three, the quality opponent the drop off in quarterback. It's about those big spreads only moving the back door cover, and that's what's happened with bam. Although they cover the big spread last week in the game. But he said the first half line would move four points from twenty one to seventeen. So he saying he's starting to put on a serious tax on bam in the first half. And you know that that disappoints me because I've been on this gravy train their seven, no against the number in the first half this year. But he saying twenty one already. They're not. He's already. Bama for Steph. Well, just don't already attacks on them for nineteen and a half last week, but for a twenty. So what would normally be the line at twenty eight twenty eight and a half game line. What would be the first half line? I would think more like seventeen and a half eighteen certainly not twenty one. Okay. So what did they get to? I thought it got the nineteen and a half. We we closed nineteen and a half. Okay. We're up by twenty at half time, so right. Got dinged once again on that one. So do you think that's a sufficient tax from what seventeen to nineteen and a half you think that's sufficient and a first-half line given that. I, I mean, I know that they've, they were very fortunate to cover that first Arkansas two weeks ago. Yes. And they, they needed a little bit to go their way the Missouri cover this past week. I don't know, man, they, they kicked a bunch of field goals that, yeah, no, I, I'm not. I'm really smokes focusing more on the Arkansas one. I thought that was a that was a very fortunate cover if you had them first half in that game under percent agree that that they should not have cover. They got a gift on the goal line and a fumble that was overturned. So they've maintained possession at midfield. I think it gets a little interesting, and I'll tell you this wife now last week, of course, I jinxed texting buddies. And of course they had a field goal fest the first half, but before last week to ahead, twenty six touchdown drives in the first half in only one field goal drive, and that was a drive that ended with a field goal only because it was at the gun of the first half, so so. And converting all those third downs and whatnot. But of course this drive, they don't now it stays under, but they still cover. So I would say I would say the Missouri, but even then it I'm fascinated because I don't know the answer and said, it's gonna be twenty one because yes, the tax more because it's not basketball where points are in one twos and threes. It's so hard to make a first-half line because of the offense and the touchdowns or six. Last seven points did tell you about the first drive on Saturday, the first Alabama, offensive possession? What happened at long touchdown, he no, he, I happen to be walking through the room and he was sitting back there and he asked me if I'd go over on five and a half plays until Alabama's touchdown. And I said, are you kidding me under? And I said, under all day and he before he could get done, calling me an idiot. They threw a long touchdown on the second play of the drive. I told him. A nice line on that one at, I think they've had three or four touchdowns in the first half or three or four touchdowns like within thirty five seconds. So firstly hard, Doug, it is hard to sit their lines for these Marquis games that we know are down the road because we haven't seen them have to play for sixty minutes yet. I mean who we don't really know what they're capable off. We haven't seen them actually challenged all the way through a full game the way that they will be when they play. Let's say Georgia in the SEC championship game or somebody like state or Clemson in the college football, playoff, I, it's, you really don't even know how good they are yet because they've never been pushed into your point. On the flip side, we're seeing some other teams may not be that good like we've all George's is good team, right? We keep saying that's going to be as only test right knowing I was agreeing with you like a lot of us were saying that, but here it is maybe LSU's their biggest test considering the games that death Valley. I thought Georgia was the second best team in the country before. Last Saturday, and certainly I don't look good for that call. Very impressive. Win for LSU. Yeah, you can make a case that have else you might be the toughest game on Alabama schedule. I think Auburn, I know they've had a very disappointing year, but you know, auburn's gonna throw the kitchen sink out, how I disagree. It's it's, I don't talk, so I'm trying to make a case for somebody to beat Alabama. It's hard. It's definitely LSU that like that game at value will be it's toughest game, no doubt until maybe the playoff, but I'm not convinced there's anyone in the playoff that can give a tough game because saving have a month to prepare that means every player, particularly that defense it. So young now we'll have a month of practice under their belt. That's true. And we've seen Sabin with an extra month to prepare Alabama last year against Clemson was one of the sharper sides. I saw college football last season. All the wise guys run Jala Bama and that national semifinal in the public was all over Clemson, and we saw what happened in that game. And yeah, and that's, that's what I brought up about this Michigan, Wisconsin game the last time I think now may. Have happened. I don't recall the last time. There was a reverse line movement to the favorite was Alabama. Clemson, like Michigan, Wisconsin, right than all the. Alabama. Clemson game really was one of the bigger sharp square splits. I've seen in college football my time out here. Every sharp group we had was taken the tide and ticket count in the public was just all over Clemson. I had a pretty good idea what was going to happen in that game. That was that was almost free money when you get that kind of information. Oh, the good one. Any other every week decay. I wish we got one of those every week. I know. Right. Unfortunately, no, not really. I mean, I think I gave you most of the highlights seen a little bit of money come in on Clemson, nothing major on that game, Washington state. There's a game where we've seen a little bit of money come in on the favorite. I don't know if that was setting up the market though. We saw some guys laying Washington state. They've pushed that number that game open pick them. And right now, the Cougars are three point favorite at home against Oregon much about that setting up the market. It's called the head fake. What do you mean by that? Yeah, we'll get that a lot earlier in the week, guys will play a side, move the market to where they want it and then come back in over the top on the real side and that I think that's what that Washington state was, but I don't know that for sure. The only people that could really answer that of the groups that are the ones moving these numbers, but it looked like a head fake to me the washing. State bet we'll find out on Saturday. So the thought process is if you have influence in the lines, you will set out sort of a dummy bet and the market will move maybe overcompensate and then closer the weekend. When you have higher limits at all books, offer higher limits later in the week, as opposed initially in the week, then you can come over the top and it's almost like buying a couple points for only ten percent. And you know, sometimes when when I do these shows like we're taping the show on a Wednesday morning, sometimes the sharp plays and I'm giving out they might be the head fake plays. I mean, I do my very best to give everybody what I think is the real sharp side, but even was gonna food. Sometimes this you're dug impossible, impossible Murray. Oh, yeah, no, there's been a few. I know one that really sticks out Houston, Texas tech. We saw the the head fake come on Houston early in the week. The real side was definitely Texas Tech. All the Texas Tech money came in late that we weird game for Texas Tech. Last week. I was like the first game in like twenty years they they won without scoring twenty points bizarre that TCU didn't need to shoot itself in the foot a week ago. I seen that lines really come down this week. The Texas Tech game. We the group that I respect to twenty and a half on the jayhawks numbers down to eighteen and a half right now. I do think Kansas is the correct side in that game, you shall see. I don't know, Kansas, tough team to back I though we I gave out Kansas plus twenty nine, I think on the road against West Virginia two weeks ago. And that was a very easy cover because West Virginia turn the ball over in the end zone twice in the first half of that game lot ugly dogs this week from the sharps on this podcast, we'll see how they materialized. But yeah, there's some, there's some tough like Rutgers and Kansas or those are tough teams. When you have this whole board in front of you. Those are tough teams to say, I'm gonna put my money there. All right, man. So good college football, talk coming up straight ahead. We'll talk a little NBA and baseball postseason. I'm a robot vacuum cleaner. So yeah, I got one gig. I suck up dirt support my inferior already complex about gyco does so much more like not only could they save their customers money on car insurance, but they got fast and friendly claim service to and award winning mobile plus access to licensed agents. Twenty four, seven, who am I kidding? I can't even do corners. Oh, choking hazard. Geico expect great savings whole lot more right Murray. We don't have to do the open again, but the snake, you sit through that, but I will. I will give you a little taste on your mother's house or not with my mother in it for the money because of the money reference NBA trend that is just remarkable. I was hammering at home Brian Windhorst mentioned it on the podcast week ago that I did the NBA season win totals teams that traveled to China in the preseason come back and just don't have any in the tank for their season opener following Boston's cover. So Sixers went to China, did not cover the opener now, one eight in the season opener after traveling to China since two thousand fourteen. Can we talk a little bit about that Sixers, Celtics game two. For one thing. I, I saw a bunch of highlights from that game for one thing how to Boston win by that much. Kyrie Irving at an absolutely terrible game and Boston still won going away, earn over Philly. Philly was just gassed. I texted you during the game. This has Bill out all over it Renault over it. That was a good call and then, but I gotta let me just say this though. I think it was Jaylen Brown challenged. Joel Embiid at the rim, join be blocked him. The ball just happen to deflect into the basket with a two heads stuff. Let's not go to. And then Jason Tatum wildly out of control. Dribbling, like a maniac, throws up a shot and it banks in and he starts talking trash. I mean, come on, I played a lot of pickup basketball, my younger years. If you accidentally Bank shot and you'll start talking trash and way back down the court. I completely agree. I thought it was strange that broadcast he was even talking about this like, dude, he got rejected in volleyball. The two handed swat that's a roof and he just so lucky that ricocheted if it Ricky shade, even off the backboard hit the side of the rim and went out and for a long Eram it's called a block. The fact that row. Donald home is not a feather in the cap Ajay Lynn Brown. Very nice job and look. I think the Sixers team has some wards I I talked with Jeff Sherman last week who obviously knows NBA grade and he was saying that, you know, I said, I love the Celtics weekend this. He's like, why can't lay five? I'm like, why this team so much better? I think I think I think I found a flaw in the west gate handicap. I think they love the Sixers a little too much. Well, you know, at salmon's is a big seventy Sixers fan, although it a, we wouldn't quite a bit of money on their Wintel last season. I know book very aggressively, but I know what you're saying. I, I love Ben Simmons. I think Ben Simmons is going to be this huge NBA superstar. But right now you're looking at these two teams, Boston just has incredible depth and they've got Brad Stevens pushing all the buttons. So, yeah, Boston clearly the favourite to come out of the Eastern Conference and lose to the warriors in the NBA finals next summer. Well, I wanna talk more about that. I think I think the warriors are not a shoe in. Well, you're gonna have to talk me into that. I, I love to hear your case for that. I think the Celtics are pretty darn good. Man. I think they're really good, and I think they have the best coach in the NBA. And so I think if you fat during coach in the NBA to sleep on the rockets now, I'm not saying the while you're shouldn't be favored is saying, this is a great line on Twitter last night, hey, I forget who is going to give back out, but it was like, look, I know the warriors are gonna win it all, but must we given the championship brings before the season. Yeah. No, I don't think we've ever seen a team where or at least I have in my time in the business team before the season that was such a foregone conclusion to win a title. I mean, I mean, and I obviously, I admit, I don't think there's any way that the warriors don't win the title. I think they're just head and shoulders above everybody else. See when they got Durant. I thought that was a shoe in, but now that I saw Houston me look Houston had him on the roof. Now I know a, I got hurt early the series, but look, Houston was there and who knows what happens with Chris Paul injury. I know that's very true. Credit doesn't get hurt that game. Seven. That was a game seven in Houston with a healthy, Chris, Paul, that could have been a different results. I agree with you on that. I think the Celtics are loaded. They have start now. Look, I think there's something barring injuries. We know there's always the injury variable, but I think the warriors look, anything can hap- I know that's such a cliche. I think it would take a perfect storm, but the rockets and Celtics, I would say, are championship contenders as well. It took a perfect storm to beat them in two thousand sixteen eve. Obviously that was before Kevin Durant. But what what you got was the one game suspension to drain on green LeBron James just being who he is and then Kyrie Irving playing such a high level for those last few games and Golden State really choking in the last few minutes, a game seven at home. It takes a perfect storm, like you said, knock it team like this off, but they didn't have Kevin Durant that year right now. I, I don't think it's possible. I really let I mean, somebody can go out there and prove me wrong. But I, I don't think it's possible. I mean, the warriors start Damian Jones. Jordan bell to Repco like come on. Arts for a is old. I don't know if there's love Livingston. I just don't think there's deep as they used to be. I, I think there's probably not as deep. I agree the teams they had in fifteen and sixteen probably had more depth. So they didn't have Kevin Durant, but they they were a little bit deeper back. Then I remember in that fifteen finals, Golden State's backup back court was Barbosa and Livingston and those guys were way better than Cleveland starters. I think Cleveland was starting. I think delve Adoga and Iman Shumpert without kyri got hurt. I just well, I know car. On more depth back if teams are allowed to muck it up and curry, doesn't get the whistles that he should as a two time MVP and superstar. There are ways to disrupt this team and look. I, I'm not saying they should be the favorite. I'm not saying they're bunch of teams that can beat them. I would say Boston and Houston at more than a punchers chance. Although I do think the rockets are gonna take a step back this year. So who knows? I, I agree with that. It will. They have to they. They almost have to take a step back from the success. They had last season and you know, I don't like Carmelo Anthony. I don't know why they would want him. Well, we'll see if he's just in the spot up, shooting roll off the bench. I'm okay with it. Although he is a defensive liability. A big time liability and I don't. I don't believe that he's capable of staying within their offense and doing the things they want. He loves those long step back to pointers, Doug. Well, maybe he's going to change now that he's with Houston. Those aren't allowed. Those aren't out memory in the preseason. There was at highlighting ran back to the bench like tapping assessing my fault, my fault for making it should be no one should be shooting long, two pointers Houston's. Absolutely right about that real quick. How's the handle last night? Opening night? It was good. It was good, good. Good cover for us, Oklahoma City covering against Golden State. And the second game I game, we took a little bit of a loss on, but nothing nothing drastic and was a good good handle for us. This is the time of year. We're all four of the major sports converge, so we've got a ton going on. We had a Golden Knights home game last year. We had baseball playoffs football this weekend. We got a million things going on LeBron and the Lakers Thursday nights. We'll keep an eye on that hand on those lines because such interest, obviously in the Vegas market, which is a Laker town real quickly. Baseball. Anything of note there with the playoffs and the bedding results? Sure. I can give you this. We were sitting in great position on the dodgers the brewers and the Red Sox. We don't wanna see the Astros win the World Series. So you could take a hit on the team that was the fail. These last four, if you will, the champ series not not much of a hit, but we do lose on them, but our guys did an excellent job. Managing the baseball future book. Three of the four teams were in a very good position on one team. We take a loss, but nothing to nothing to substantial. All right, man. Well, thanks, her spitting us in those executive meetings, just a heads up, don't bring up the jerk store. Don't tell somebody that anything with their wife, you know, is just lay low, don't channel your Costanza. Don't try to cram all the shrimp into my mouth either. We'll see how many I can fit into my mouth. Okay. I'll keep that in mind. Next time I'm up in the boardroom to call anyone cocoa T-Bone. No, barely. I just sit there man again, I'm I'm not quite on their level yet, so I shouldn't be handing out nicknames just yet. All right, good stuff, man. All right. We'll talk to you tomorrow for some NFL chat. All right, buddy. All right. Take care. That's John Murray. The west gate super book. He is a director and oddsmaker thanks to him. Him and thanks to Phil Steele for joining us a lot of interesting perspective, and just another reminder, we still have the NBA season win totals podcast that's up on the stream. Go download that a lot of good NBA analysis gave out some winters to the Celtics on opening night also, first quarter Sixers under that went that hits a lot of good stuff. There. Bryan win horse. Preston Johnson, don't forget, win. Horse also has an NBA podcast, the hoop collective. Thanks again for downloading the bear and Stanford Steve of their own umbrella. Check that out. And we'll see a back here on the behind the bets tomorrow on Thursday for the NFL podcast. 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CFB Week 9 Preview

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CFB Week 9 Preview

"Into the game. You're kind of your money. That's how you find out who's back all my pets were safe. That wouldn't be juice. Juice point spreads the bets, but teasers the parlays from Vegas to you. These these behind the bet. Welcome in latest behind the best podcast. I'm Doug kazarian fund show coming up here on Wednesday, October twenty. Fourth, John Murray of the super book will join us as will feel steel fill red hot born one last week. Five more picks coming up. Marie is gonna give some big amount of the counter. We'll also talk about the three high profile ranked matchups this coming weekend on the college football card also talk a little World Series and the first week of the NBA. So plenty of story lines and of course, Alabama go and undefeated in the first half against the spread this season. Lot of fun. We're having online at ESPN shock and also on sportscenter and everywhere else, and really good stuff coming up here on the pod. We'll get into all that next stop Hannah time. The mating call for Phil Steele's. We bring him in because he is red hot. It has been hammer time four and one last week Ville. And Doug went three and all. So still turn to catch up to you. Buddy were working hard at it. You know, it was a little stressful whence, Auburn, I went with the Tigers. Thanks to your insight as well here on the podcast week ago, and I was like, oh boy, one of these Alabama bets are not gonna hit. And then I had a giant smile on my face when they were up twenty one, nothing. I was like, okay, I think we're gonna get their little Harry little bit little bit at the early second quarter, but my first three, no against the spread of the season on sportscenter just rolling along each week and you know to one was great but three and even better, right? Impossible to do better as they say, Phil, we're doing better for no and going into the night game, and it was that USC Stu stupid Trojans at clay Helton hotseat that that cost you five zero five zero Saturday. For the podcast. Yeah, I felt good at fourteen nothing getting skidding touchdown in that game yet feel pretty good, but Utah just outplayed USC top the bottom. So it was a game that Utah definitely deserved a win. You are leading the charge. In fact, one of our loyal listeners had parlay of all five of your place and he was tweeting at us, I believe, and I'm trying to find him as I scroll through my Twitter timeline, but basically like, do I hedge? And I was like, you got ahead, you gotta hedge and apparently he did based on this tweets that he did hedge and you didn't. You did well for them. That is that is outstanding. Let's hope we continue to roll on then. How often do you get that interaction with players and better saying that they follow your, maybe a par lay or whatever. You know, I think it's on there. I try to stay off the Twitter timeline a lot of times just to you know, but when I do look, yeah, there's there's quite a bit of it. All right. So it see money. He said he had a four, five t parlor use me that would have paid over ten grand. Wow. That would have been a nice little payoff hired respond and say, the hedge too bad you didn't get through for. Yeah, man will good stuff is always love the breakdown. Let's get to your your five plays this week. And obviously you dive deeper. You tweet out pictures from the weekend is breaking down box scores, and this is a team. You've been writing the last couple of weeks on the podcast, North Carolina, what he liked the tar heels? Well, tell you if Larry fedora head any kind of luck at all. It's definitely bad luck because they have outplayed Virginia Tech day outplayed Syracuse, and they keep at the end of the game, somehow, someway coming up short on the scoreboard. I think they missed a late field goal, which would have clinched the Syracuse game Syracuse comes out, gets. Touchdown tie and then wins it and overtime, Virginia Tech game. They're up by two. I believe they fumble at the goal line going in the ball, bounces ear v. teachers link the field to beat them. But the underlying fact is that the last two weeks I thought they, I'll play both Syracuse, Virginia Tech, the Miami Florida game. They have three defensive touchdowns they gave up and then the first three games that a whole bunch of starters suspended, thirteen different players suspended the first three games. So a lot of people look at North Carolina's a very weak one in five team. I have a different opinion of them and they're planning good, Virginia team, Virginia. I'll be honest with you. Doug better night expected this year. The big different spin, Bryce Perkins at quarterback. He's got a twelve seven ratio. He's also run for four hundred fifty nine yards, their defenses playing. Well, it's a young defense, but they're holding opponents seventy three yards for game blow their season average, and they're coming off a couple of upset wins in a row. They weren't underdog against both Miami and Duke pulled out the winds there, but now they're back at home in rare. Favorite. They've been pretty much dog and most of their games this year. And I just think this North Carolina team is just fine on the radar as long as Larry fedora can hold this team together after all these close losses that they're suffering, keep this team together. They do only five losses on the air, so they still have a shot at getting a bowl eligibility. A look at the rest of the schedule. It is manageable. They play if they can pick up this Virginia win. They've Georgia Tech at home at Duke Weser Carolina NC state. So as long as he keeps them together, I think we have a very underrated North Carolina team and they're getting almost a full ten points here, get nine and a half. Writing the tar heels train, and we talked about it last couple of weeks when you get you only lose once betting into a streak. So keep continue this UNC because you've been, they've been rewarding you since the beginning since you've been on the pod. Let's let's keep it in the ACC and team. I'm surprised you're backing because many right wrote them off as quitting, so to speak Louisville lane two and a half against weak force. What do you like the cardinals. Well, you know, when I look at Louisville there team that opened up the year, very unimpressively. I mean, barely got past western Kentucky. They got blown out by Virginia, but then they played a good game against Florida state in the Florida state game, they they actually, he was at home and they had the lead and then they throw a pass late and they're not throwing the pass it. They run the ball, they probably beat Florida state at home. The next week they play Georgia Tech and they option on the road and they early face the option. They just got crushed. And then Boston College is just, I think, Boston College. One of the more underrated teams in the country. I've got the salad run game, good defense, special teams, cross the board. I like BC this year and they went loss to BC and other back on their five losses. And this is off a bye and it is a circle, the wagons game. They have to turn their season around and their opponent. This week is weak force. Now, here's the interesting thing about weak force last week when they played Florida state, they were down to one one scholarship. Linebacker. That's how banged up there at the linebacking core and what happened. Florida state had their best offense. Performance of the season gained one hundred forty one yards above their season. Average four hundred eighty five yards against week forced and Wake Forest linebacking core. Not getting any healthier this week. They have to travel a second straight week quarterback. Sam Hartman has just a twelve seven ratio this year fifty three percent. So they're struggling a little bit QB position. Normally a strong running team. They only ran the ball for one point, nine yards per carry. And I just think the situation favors Louisville, it's an absolute must win. And I don't think Bobby paternal forgot how to coach. I know that he's having a rough year so far this year, but I think they turn it around and the spread is unbelievably low. It's under a field goal. So Louisville just has to win this game. I'm gonna take Louisville minus the two and a half in this one. All right. I like it. I was watching that game as well Louisville in Florida state, and they completely bought the end of that. I was stunned to see them throwing the ball. It happens. Yeah, amazing that threw the ball late in the game like that. Let's talk. Let's go talk about another relatively short number. This is western Kentucky in Florida international. Little off the beaten path, but I'll tickets pay the same as you well know, why do you like the dog here? This is one of these misleading games for me, Doug. First of all, you go back to last year's game when these two play and Florida international one forty one to seventeen. But if you watch the game, w western Kentucky at twenty three eighteen I down edge, they out yard it them and lost the game. Then when I was going through western Kentucky season, what I do every Monday and Tuesday is I go through and replay each game on the season and went through west Kentucky all year. I'm like good game. Good game. Good game there wanted six, believe it or not, but they played Wisconsin tough main. They jumped out to a twenty one, nothing lead and then sort sorta let up against Maine, which is a good FCS team. They probably should've beaten Louisville on the road. They did beat a good ball state team on the on the road. They almost upset Marshall. At home or needle score to beat them. They are one bad game Charlotte, and that was forty two fourteen and you can write off a bad game once in a while and then they played Old Dominion and last week they probably shouldn't be no. The menu new seen the highlights would happen at the end of the game. Another tough loss for western Kentucky, but Davis Shanley starting to throw the ball much better the last couple of weeks, two hundred fifty seven yards last week. And you know this team that's actually running the football much better than last year still not great, but the average four point six years for carry last week, which is, I mean last year they couldn't get the two hundred yards rushing almost the entire season. It seemed and this year they two hundred yards rushing. So I'm saying west Kentucky better than it's one at six record. Then you go through Florida or national the, you know, they covered against Indiana, but Indiana was at their one yard line at the end of the game Old Dominion. They were down at the half them big rainstorm came in crowd left, and they rallied to win the game. You mass was very good win. They'd be good UMass team at home, but you must didn't have their starting quarterback. The Miami of Florida game looks good. The only lost thirty one. Seventeen, but it was actually thirty one to nothing or thirty one, two, three. Amana got stopped fourth and goal at the one. And then Florida national got a couple of late scores. They beat Arkansas pine bluff, big deal, the middle Tennessee game. They took advantage of middle Tennessee team coming off two tough games in a row. Two big wins to the biggest winning comforts USA and stock still went out in the second quarter and then they beat rice last week. So I'm still not seeing a great game for Florida or national and despite their six and one or five and two record. And I think western Kentucky's completely on the radar backs to the wall game at home, and they're getting three and a half points here at home. I like western Kentucky in a surprising upset. Lengthy discussion on western Kentucky. You don't get that very often. But, hey, you know, it's very watch all the game stugz. I see you tweet out your setup. How many TV's do you have? Twelve. And then sometimes I have to watch one on the computer at the same time. It's rather those are a lot of time on news during the course of a Sarah. Yeah, I have a five TV setup. I need to post a picture on social media. Haven't done it in putting the finishing touches on it on the man cave retweeted when you do tweet five big TV's I've a what is it a sixty? Five inch or in the middle in inches on the all around. But you have you went volume, which I plot as well. Now my home office has got the five big TV's. Okay. And then like two little one. So I only have the seven at home, but understand it work. Yeah. Yeah, but was staying at work till eleven. So pretty much catch all the games here. All right. Interesting. Handicap here given organs beat down. They had at the police and you like the ducks about sup off the mat like they did earlier this year once they blew that game, Stanford that impressive bounceback against Cal on the road. You like to do the same here in Tucson? Yeah, I do. And you know, last week was you're, you're just a textbook. Situational handicapping Oregon at home against Washington fired up, pulls the upset thirty to twenty seven loud crowd, and then they have to go on the road and travel and Washington state's off a bye games game days on hand, and they are fired up to the a plus plus level and let twenty seven, nothing at the half. Now I like the way Oregon bounce back. In fact, they got within seven, and if you're watching the game wash through a ball of there's two defenders there look like Oregon was going to get the interception and then the Washington state receiver just pulled it away from and then they've got the the tacked on touchdown at the end with three minutes to go to win. But had they pull them that interception Oregon might have been able to even come back in that game. Some impressed. I've been impressed with Oregon all season long. Then you look at Zona they're a team that's really struggle. Then we talked about Cal. They went on the road after losing the Stanford and beat Cal forty two twenty four eras ONA beat Cal. But if you watch that game, it was all due to turnovers. I mean Cal had a four hundred seventy six two to sixty five yard edge, Arizona, twenty five, two thirteen. I down edge. If not for turnovers, there was on a loses that game. They somehow kale by seven to me result is very weak team. At this point defensively large Oregon. They're holding their opponents below their season average Arizona's allowing their thirty three yards above their season, average Oregon about seven. Three yards per game better. They allow three point two yards. Rushing, you know, the edges there on defense and how about the quarterback Justin? Herbert probably number one quarterback for the draft. Now, if he comes treatment. It didn't have a tremendous dra- game against Washington state, but it could not game. And then you look at Zona quarterback situation, Cleal Tate, very questionable coming in. We've seen him play this year on that hobble ankle. He's not anywhere near could little even if he plays. He won't be one hundred percent or it's rent Rodriguez who last week at fifteen thirty four passing so much better pass game, better defense, awful off. And the environment at result is not going to be quite the environment. They were facing there in Pullman, Washington last week. So I think Oregon overall just simply the better team laying nine and a half off a loss. I'm taking the ducks here. I did. You watch the UCLA ending last week. Arizona's at the end of the game, refresh my memory on that one. So Rodriguez Arizona had the game. They were down for. With like seven minutes to go driving, they get into red zone. Third and five. You're down four with about four and a half to go. And they're running all over UCLA and Rodriguez shaky for the most part. At quarterback, they throw rollout throw incomplete, and they could feel goal to go down one. It was idiot, Eric, you run twice cannot kick a field goal down four th four minutes half minutes ago when you have a bad defense. That's true, and they never out the ball spin their of going for it. They probably ran the ball and third and five to get a closer to the sticks. They were gashing them, Phil, yeah, Taylor was running wild. For the most part that game. It was mind boggling. So in someone Blewett someone blew it, they never got the ball back because their own defense stinks, and so not only are they gashing UCLA they can't rely on their defense, the shoe. It was a shootout I think sixties combined points. So just really disappointing to see that that mismanagement at the end. So I guess that helps you Oregon bed. So one final game here. You know, we thought k. state we thought the Bill Snyder, underdog magic was done. After they did not cover as a big dog to West Virginia. But here he is bouncing back with three straight covers as a dog. And you like the Wildcats again, this weekend. Yeah. And actually there's numerous reasons like Kansas state. Now I saw you play this game on paper, Doug Oklahoma's gonna win the thing by four touchdowns or more. I mean on paper, the so Kansas state team that went into West Virginia, lost thirty five to six gave up four hundred sixty four yards. You wonder how they can stop Oklahoma's offense. And on the flip side of the coin case state's offense has been doing that great. They picked it up as late thirty, four against Baylor and thirty one against Oklahoma state. Here's a three main reasons like Kansas state in this one. And the first reason is what you touch on. Bill Snyder is underdog amazing, twenty three and seven is in a way dog and a lot of those won outright. So that's point. Number one, the second point to make how Bill Snyder off a bye now you figure a great coach like Bill Snyder is going to be good off a bye up on eleven and one against the spread whenever you said extra time and the only time he lost he was like a double digit favorite against Baylor. Last year they lead twenty three at the half the only one thirty three to twenty land v. Teens, we didn't cover by two and a half points, but he always has team ready off a by. Then I'll take you back to the army game. Now, army is a team that runs the option k. state doesn't run the triple option like army does, but runs the option for similar type of offense. Ground pound move the ball, move the sticks. Keep the other team off the field. Second half that army, Oklahoma game, Oklahoma, three offense possessions in the second half you gotta think that's case state's gonna come in here wanting to do. And if they're running the football like that clocks going to be running, they're going to shrink the game and their getting twenty five in this one. So you're getting twenty five points with a great underdog coaches off a bye which is a great situation and I think they match up well, just like army, did I like state plus the big points here. And something I've noticed this year's k. state has made excellent adjustments at half time. They're one of the better second half bets. We've seen so something to keep in the back of your mind if you're out there and maybe they're down, big, can even press. I would say, double up a better way to put it. So Phil, awesome analysis. What about the higher profile games like the Georgia and Florida? Where do you stand on that one? I like the Gators and you know the surprising for me, Doug go back to Georgia, Missouri game of about four towards the end of September. I had Georgia. I was laying fourteen and I thought they would come out dominate the line of scrimmage them better the offense of line better on the defensive line watching the game closely. I mean, if Georgia need to pick up third one or fourth and one didn't get it if as URI need to pick up thirty two or thirty three, they got it every damn time. I'm like, I can't believe Missouri's. I'll play Georgia's last curve. Georgia got to a fourteen point win is they blocked upon head a couple of turnovers. I very four, Jeep and one. What's that? The defense got it there. There was a strip of wide receiver that was return. Yeah, yeah. And so it was it was very fortunate, push slash loss because I think there were some fourteen and a half out there, and I came way thinking, wow, a little bit about Georgia. Then I went to the LSU game with that same thought process. I'm like, you know, LSU is outstanding. At the line of scrimmage, I don't know if Georgia matches up. Well. Guess what? LSU outrushed them two hundred seventy five to one thirty three. Just I'm Nemeth Lasker you wonder is Florida and he goes to the line of scrimmage. Well, they took on that same LSU team. Now granted it was in the swamp and George to play them in death valley. What by the same token they outrushed LSU there the two hundred fifteen to one eighty yardage. They ran the ball for five yards a carry and he'll shoot a four point four. So Florida at the start of the year. Remember when they lost to Kentucky. I think they were missing two or three guys from the defensive front seven one with injury, one was suspension. They got those guys back. They've been playing much better in the defensive front seven since then offense. They get better each week under Dan Mullen and they're running the football better. Flee pay Franks's proven to be a decent quarterback. I mean he's got a fifteen five ratio this year. It's a fifty fifty split and you think, well, Georgia always beats Florida, right? 'cause it killed them last year. Actually, Florida had won the previous three meetings. So I think that this Florida team that can hold with George at the line of scrimmage has a skill players. They've got a lot. They're probably the. Fastest defense in the SEC is Florida, and I think Florida can can potentially win the game. So I definitely taken the seven points in that one total seems a little high. Fifty is total on that one too. Yeah, I would probably I see what my score I'm coming in twenty four twenty three. So yeah, I liked the under in that one. Then I would Penn State as the same total that seems low. I like over in that game. And what do you make of that game and stay to losses already? Obviously Isla is the team that's flying a little bit below the radar in the big ten. Yeah. And you know, my my power ratings have Iowa close to the top ten and here's, here's the difference with Iowa. You know, for years I was team that plays defense, special teams runs the football, not a flashy offense, and generally they're big favourite. They don't cover because they play such conservative style. But this year it's different Iowa team. They have the defense, they are actually holding Ponce one hundred twenty yards below their season average. That's a six bestmark in the country. You can't run the ball on Iowa. They're allowing eighty yards per game on the ground. Two point, seven yards per carry. Wisconsin did get them for to ten. And I will say that Penn State did run the ball on Michigan state which came in with an equally great statistical defense. I think I was better up front than Michigan state. And so I, I think Penn State's gonna struggle to run the ball here. Now, on the flip side of the coin, I actually has an offense. Nate Stanley's go to sixteen six ratio this year. They're putting up thirty one points per game. Almost four hundred yards per game, and their offense is actually ever twenty one yards more than their opponents. Penn State's got a good offense. It's a very good team there at home, but I was thinking the line on this. I've got the two teams fairly close in my mind. I was thinking I might be like three or four, and it's up there towards seven. So I clearly like the underdog hawkeye's. I think they're one of the surprise stories of the year. And if you looked at their schedule at the start of the year, you had to think that shot at the west and they ship, you know, the Wisconsin games at eleven point loss. They were up with a minute to play in the game. I had Wisconsin. They give up the touchdown late and then they give the long touchdown run. So that was a game they could easily have one at home. I like the Hawkeyes plus the points here. I've been certainly critical of Iowa and even Michigan state for that matter. The teams that have reached the big ten shave which of game. And just I thought just didn't belong on the same field as anyone in the college football playoff Sparty proved that when they got shut out by bam. But I think this I t's much better. Than the ones we saw get smoked against Stanford in the Rose Bowl with Christian McCaffrey and some other Iowa teams. I I like this hawkeye's offense in particular. Yeah, and that defense is in a nasty bunch. They're alone two hundred fifty eight yards per game this year, which is one of the best in in the entire country fill great analysis is always great picks last few weeks. Let's keep it rolling both of us. Let's keep it rolling. You get any clues. What you're going to be using sportscenter and Saturday morning stuck Saturday mornings around nine thirty AM I I don't. I don't know what I'm gonna do with bam on a bye. Man, I got actually captain games doing side and over every time. So I don't know what I'm gonna do. I, I'm leaning. You and I don't know where I'm leaning. I really don't. I, I think I may be following you on that or at least the thought process. I might be going Clemson in this one. Clemson, yeah, I'm I'm looking there. Okay. That's one place. You know the matchup if you're looking for a matchup game of the week, that's probably because Florida state's offense line struggled all year last. We took advantage of weak force linebackers being out, but that Clemson defensive fronts the best in the country. So you take that match up and you wonder how Florida state's gonna score very often with the quarterback running for his life, scarred from having taken Miami in that rivalry game. So I'm almost gun shy for that very reason. Yeah. Yeah, understandable in that case. But yeah, I, I would lean with close well, she looking at what other possibilities that's about it. That's about it, maybe Utah, but. Okay. But UCLA's can't use Utah. 'cause it's a Friday game, isn't it? So you're right in the column. I have a calm that comes out Friday I could use. I was looking there for the Friday column. You're right? Yeah. Now that one, I like especially with the UCLA took on a very bad errors on his team last week. And as you mentioned, probably should've lost the game. You got gashed on the ground. And if you see always gonna win the game, they need to move the football on the ground around the ball and Utah. You got a hell of a defense and they said they dominated USC last week. Coming off, a big win going on the road is one thing, but it's the Rose Bowl, and so they'll be fired up for this game. The key is quarterback situation space plane. Believe it probably be spayed. That's what I'm head and I'm, I'd be more worried if tops Robinson was correct. That's exactly what I'm suggesting. And I also like I like Syracuse at home catching to I, I don't believe in this NC state team. And I'm in agreement with you there as well. I think that Syracuse can be dangerous team as much as they deserve to lose last week against North Carolina North Carolina's and underrated team and Syracuse was a big favourite. We've seen them get fired up at home as a dog. Remember that Florida state game that they played earlier this year and NC state played a very soft schedule early on, and I was one not buying NC state finley's there. Yes, but I thought the Marshall game, if you watch that Marshall stood with them total toes. Ten point game Marshall had the ball at the end. They near separator for a touchdown made a seventeen point game. Boston College came back laid on them. I thought NC state dominated the first half, but Dylan didn't play for Boston College. So I think Syracuse is team. It's tough to go against it home, especially as underdone and just the spot of team. You think in big things you're undefeated. You just absolutely get smoked by Verson and yeah, your bubble burst. Now you've backed back road games go to place or not really amped to play up in Syracuse, and then a little. You gotta team hungry coming off a loss, the spot favors Syracuse. I also like Maryland, bounce back against Illinois. Now it's a high line at eighteen and a half. So that's released where I'm looking initially with the turps. Yeah. And if you go onto my Twitter, I just put up and this went surprise me. I was typing in who ranks highest in the day in the country in yards per play on defense, Maryland number eleven, the run defense. Excellent. Yeah. Their overall defense gives up four point five, four yards per play, which is eleventh best in the country. I double take on. I some Maryland there and I'm typing in. I'm like, really, I went check the records. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, they are. And the thing with Maryland, you go back to their the two home games that they've had so far. They came against middle to below average, big ten teams. It beat Minnesota forty, two thirteen. They'd be Rutgers thirty four, seven. And then which you just touched on a great run defense. They can hill annoy. We all know Illinois. Needs to run the football to be successful and they've been running the ball for most part of the year that a lot of games over two hundred yards rushing. But they were held the sixty nine yards by two by Purdue and got beat by thirty nine h Bush struggled throwing the football last week. They pulled him in the fourth quarter. So I wonder if there's any thought process, they can throw the football here. So I was Maryland, takes away the run. I don't feel annoy answering and Marilyn can once they get rolling, they can roll on you like they did with Minnesota forty two points records thirty four. So I think that if you're looking at that game clearly Maryland's inside. Yeah, that was last week they were shut out, but that was in twenty five mile per hour winds and I was city and you mentioned the defense run defense as well, right? Real and that's it. That's the other point on that game I wanna make for you dug. When I was going through it. If you look at Maryland's wins this year, they ran for four forty, four against bowling. Green ran for three fifteen against Minnesota. Ran for two ninety against Rutgers. Okay, their losses, they ran for one thirty two one forty, seven and sixty eight. Here's the thing, Maryland wins and wins big when they run the ball. Let's take a look at all noise run defense, two hundred twenty two yards per game. Five point four yards per carry. They're giving up like the match up there. I did too. I did too, but those are the games I'm keeping an eye on. I wanted back Perdue 'cause I really like them, but the spot is horrible. Right? Celebrate. Yeah. I own state there plus one and a half at east Lansing. I think it's just a stay away, but I just from on paper. I liked it. Yeah, that's one where you just have to think back to the Oregon Washington state game last week, and you know, they're, they're playing Michigan state on the road off a loss and off a tough loss to Michigan. So if you're ever going to get a bounceback game for Michigan state, it's this week, and I thought in the post game, press conference or post game interview with Brom. He was like, well, we're going to joy this game, and we're gonna remember it for years, and I'm thinking, well, you know, it sounds like there's going to be a little bit of a letdown factor this week. Yeah, that's why I'm off it, but that's the least caught my eye initially. Yeah, no Bama would know Bama. That's unfortunate. I, I ate. No, I against outta love Ed. And are you going to use them in the first half against LSU too hard because the reason the first half has value is because to a place tire first-half whereas the game lines factor in garbage time back door covering. So there's more value in the first half line when the spreads are high, because the first half lines are still commensurate with the game line, whereas they're not juiced up high enough. So there's more of an advantage with Bama first half when the spreads are really high. So it makes sense. But when there's when there's an appeal. That's that's why there's more valued abetting the first half than there is the game right to it. But now the next game is LSU where to is expected, play the entire game. It's a more you know, equitable opponent if you will, and therefore it's almost better just a bit bam game because you get four quarter instead of two. Because the game is you're getting to for four, so might as well just, you know, increase your chances of sample size if you will. So actually, I think there's value the game line. Yeah, I would agree. And what did you got an early number on that was thirteenth in the thirteen fourteen Abraham, right. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's my believe. What Caesar's had that. I think I saw a, I saw thirteen out last week. Yeah, I think you have reasonable. I think you're instable Bama. Yeah, I know. But you know the seems overwhelming. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. All right, my man, good stuff is always, let's stay hot here. All right, sounds good. Good luck t on your sportscenter picks this editor. We'll do take care. All right, thanks. All right. Thanks to Phil Steele joining us straight ahead. John Murray from the west gate will break down college football as well, and also discuss World Series and the first week in change of the NBA season technology truth brought to you by code. Truth, teenagers can communicate entirely emojis. How why? Birthday party pizza slice kitten, soccer ball, pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch them. Save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are you talking about? Paperclips shoulder shrug, high, five wizard hat what? Goco fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Piece started as a ticket writer will handle has gotten a lot higher here in the last hour. Now he's a racing sports book director. I have the guys at work. You're calling me Mr. director and not looking directly into my eyes wave people, but an old new staff this year, kind of Seinfeld. Esque move where we just rotate the guys. The material doesn't get stale. One happened in between a hot tub and ESPN. You almost need no introduction, but I'm not gonna stop running that open because it's just it just needs to be done. Yeah, I don't think I'm quite in that neighborhood yet. I don't eat it intro duck. I'm not sure of that still need still need to be announced when I get on the show. So last podcast you mentioned that you're gonna play golf and your day. I was kinda calling Bs on it. What did you were you able to play golf? Yeah, I got out there on Monday. Let's call it an up and down round. We'll leave it at that birdied the seventeenth. That's the signature hold that course. But the other seventeen holes were not as good. Let's say, is that where I lived? I'd lived on the seventeenth fairway. Yeah, I don't did. I think he did. Yeah, you did. I think the seventeenth one where the the big pond and it looks back at the west gate that one. Yeah, yeah, that's probably the signature hole I should note. That's a par three I could. I could never birdie anything other than a par three, Doug, really, really are we going to work on now we got on that game of yours. Struggle out there. That's a pretty tough course. Man. It's not an easy. Of course. Why only doubted you? Because I just felt like the busiest time of year thing. It was like the work demands only. There's only day off. I had this week actually had to come in here for a meeting on Monday morning, but I, I was able to fit in around in the afternoon. You know, it's really busy right now you've got. Yeah, of course. You've got left the room No, it's really busy. Man. We got the World Series started last night NBA's underway. The Golden Knights are on a home stand right now. They're in town for the next week or so. And then obviously you got college and pro football, so there's just a million things going on. I think this is one of the best time of year though, because the weather here in Vegas is awesome, and there's just a lot that on and a lot to watch. Well, that's I wanna talk about all that the NBA in the World Series coming up. Let's talk college football and I was torn. And I imagine a lot of our loyal listeners were because you gave out some incredibly sharp plays. I believe when five. One, but obviously they moved the market. So the question is, what do you do if you know the sharp place Purdue plus fourteen the lines at thirteen and twelve and a half, things like that. Yeah. I mean, you got to be careful with that too. And then later in this show, I'll give out what I've seen so far this week, but I can tell you right now, some of these numbers of move the lot, especially one game we'll get into the sharp play, came in at a number that is long gone. So you know you really gotta be careful. You don't wanna lay. You don't wanna let number. That's a lot more than the guy you're following. If the only reason you're betting on the side is because you're following somebody and you can't get his number, you should really think twice about that. Now, if you still liked Purdue it plus thirteen, which obviously hopefully you did because they won the game easily outright, then you should play it, but don't just go chasing a wise guys bet when you can't get the number. He got. Well, that's the key because you don't, at least in my opinion, you don't wanna blindly follow anyone. But I think there is just sort of data point concept where if I know via like aside and the sharps around, you know, like Purdue, I liked it. I talked to a bunch of people. I know Matt Uman's visa and was just pushing Purdue hard and about. They had a really chance it to win it outright. And then you see the line move and you liked it yourself. I mean, for me that's enough to go on so to speak. And then obviously, what number do you take? I mean, look thirteen and fourteen not huge difference in college, but you know, once you start getting down to those threes off three, that's a big deal. Did humans go to Purdue. I think he did. It was a very good call though in Matt, Matt actually listed on the radio last week. He picked to win the game outright early in the week, a terrific call. They won that game pretty easily really. And I will say, I don't know if I know alum who was more willing to fade his school than mad is with producers surprising to see him on the boiler makers over the years is certainly faded them. So you know, as a crazy weekend, I mean, what do you do with the power ratings of Ohio State seeing how bad they were there and knowing that they had obviously season full of hoopla to put it gently. So what the power rating done with with with the buckeyes, I don't think you want overreact too much to anyone game, but certainly if you ever were overreact to one game, it would have been that game on Saturday where they just got manhandled by the Boilermakers. We talked a few about this weeks ago. They were lucky to be Penn State in that game. They probably would have lost that game. If it wasn't for James, Franklin was very questionable coaching decisions, but you don't wanna overreact too much to one game, and I still think state is bad if they looked on Saturday night. They can still get into the college football playoff. They're gonna need to beat Michigan, but that game is in Columbus, and they're gonna to win the big ten championship game, obviously. But they'll be a big favorite in that game. The buckeyes were still a team that could get back into the college football playoff duck. I mean, that's what we need to remember is we've seen all these pats to the playoff where. You know, it's much different than the BCS era like that. That needs to be kind of reminded still your five believe it is the playoff and the fact that well. Tom, you know, we can't overreact too much to one loss. One loss teams get in the playoff and they don't have to be the best team because the playoff, they just have to be the fourth best team. And that certainly. I think the euro house they did win. The championship was the first year of the playoff, and I think they were blown out by Virginia Tech in Columbus. If I remember that game though, and then yeah, true. It was much earlier in the season, but my point is you can always, you can overcome one really bad performance and hopefully for the buckeyes fans, that's the only time they're gonna. Look that bad again this season, but I still think they've got the path in front of them and it's obviously it's going to include needing to beat Michigan in that big game on November twenty. Fourth, that'll be that'll be an awesome game that that game really made aside one of the four playoff teams. And it involves your Michigan wolverines. How do you feel about that that defy championship material defense. Yeah, they're defense is absolutely outstanding. If they can beat Ohio State, they, they gotta play Penn State to, but if they can win those two games and win the big ten championship game, I definitely think that the wolverines will find a spot in the college football playoff this year. And I think it'd be interesting to see them line up against Alabama, that Alabama offense against coach, Harbaugh's defense. I think that'd be a fun game. Well, I don't think it's a goes out saying that if Michigan wins out there in the playoff. Yeah, they'll get it. There's no way they're not right. I mean, even even if Notre Dame, which is there, one loss like completely unravels in that loss looks even worse. I guess. Like I think they have to be in right. Well, I think if Notre Dame keeps winning that's good for Michigan. Certainly, if Notre Dame were to go undefeated Michigan could point to that that one loss and say, look, we lost a a college football playoff team on the road in week one. I mean that's about as good of a loss as you could ever have in college football, right? So it would be Notre Dame clumps and Bama and that fourth team would all be one loss teams. I think it has to be Michigan. I'm lactic so to, now let's leaving out the big twelve and we talked about this think on last week show the big twelve, just very hard to get to the college football playoff the way that conference set up with the with the nine conference games and then playing the second best team in the conference title game. It's a very difficult pass to the college football playoff out of the big twelve. Well, let's yeah, no doubt it's difficult. But let's say there is a one loss champ, whether it be Texas or Oklahoma. And they are conference champ, what is the committee do? And I and I say that with an eye on the futures market. I mean, obviously, this is not a college football playoff podcast. We're discussing the futures like where's the value here? That'd be tough. I mean, I think it'd be a very tough call. Let's just pretend Oklahoma wins out they that would include a win in Morgantown on the Friday night after thanksgiving. That would include a win in the big twelve championship game. Let's say Texas. So they'd avenge their one loss. Then you'd have to go up with them up against, let's say, Ohio State for that fourth spot where Suming Notre Dame wins out where swimming Clemson wins out. So you'd be going between the big twelve champion, the big ten champ for the fourth spot in the cultural playoff in a date with Allah Bama. I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm really not sure what the committee would do there. Be a very tough decision there. Oklahoma thirty to one Texas fifty to one right now at the west gate. I think you need to factor into if you're looking at future value. You know if one of those teams is the four seed that would likely mean they'd be playing Alabama and the Orange Bowl. So you'd have to think they'd be a very big underdog in that game, obviously. Yeah. And the combined probability of winning those games like you said, in Oklahoma's instance at West Virginia, and then also the big twelve title game against the team where line might be what three or four with Texas. If Texas is still they one loss. What at that point? I think three and a half or four. This could work out really well for Clemson. Theoretically, Doug Clemson is potentially two seed would play in our scenario that we're talking about Notre Dame. You know, as good season as Notre Dame is having, I would much rather play Notre Dame than, let's say, state or Oklahoma, Michigan. So Clemson, I really think is the team quietly sitting pretty right now. And I think they're the one team that has the athletes to match up with Ella Bama and potentially give Alabama game. Yes, especially the defensive line. Now, a couple of things I wanna talk about you just let's I talk about Alabama because I'm in withdraw this week. I don't get to them first half. Yeah, we're happy about that. We're finally not gonna lose on the Alabama first half, so that'll be actually, you know what's funny. We didn't do poorly this week. We had a whatever house players took Tennessee. I wanna say plus twenty and a half right before kickoff. And I think Alabama scored a touchdown on the third play of the game. So no, Alabama. We score, I tweeted like took four minutes. I did, and I was joking, four minutes slow. Wow. Alabama so long. And of course one, what do you mean? They scored in the u. Yeah, a little a little sarcasm there. Yeah. No, they intercepted a pass on ensuing Clemson drive, though. They scored again, right? Correct. Was like a fumble interception that Tennessee backed up because he actually played a lot better once they went to the backup quarterback, but that's neither here nor there they, I thought and I texted Ed this. I thought maybe it's a little prisoner of the moment, but the first half total of thirty two was the worst line seen all season. You didn't care for that number was that well, Bama hasn't scored less themselves scored less than they scored less than thirty thirty one one time this year. And that was in the opener when Jalen hurts at a predetermined mount of series, right. They scored an after that they've been just lighting it up. So how can you have both teams over under in the first f thirty two. I think that guy that took the twenty and a half also took the over if I remember that sequence correctly. So I guess he just juiced out on that, Alabama. I maybe it was a two. For us to win anything in Alabama. First-half is a positive here at the super book. We'll take it. Well, you know, it's funny because we talk about the first half being commensurate with the game line. Ed says he just opened twenty when everyone else was at eighteen middle arbitragers. Obviously, that's a gold mine opportunity. I just I just don't think you guys adjusted enough. That'll be really interesting to see what happens with LSU a week from Saturday because it's not one of these. Cupcake, but these overmatched opponents where these huge lines, it's going to be a game lines around two touchdown. So what do you do at the first half? I think it has to be more normal because in this case, the game line of fourteen factors in a full game of two. Well, you know, LSU's played the hardest schedule in the country so far and they've come out with just the one loss. They're very impressive. And I see people lining up the best them every week, including myself. And a lot of these situations I did pass last week, but they manhandled Mississippi State on Saturday night. That was a side that a lot of sharp guys were taking. They're taking the BULLDOGS and man LSU. They're pretty good man. And you gotta consider the one knock on Obama. They have played a very easy schedule this year. Doug, they really haven't played anybody yet, and this is gonna be their first real test could be the first time they face any adversity. I think LSU has the athletes to give Alabama game, but I'm not gonna go out and pick anybody gets Bama right now. That's the difference with this year's Alabama team because they have such an explosive offense now. And I made the parallel Alabama's like the New Orleans Saints in. In a way you wanna talk about southern teams. You have a team that's loaded on offense, high-powered offense, and you just need the d. become with a handful of stops. Yeah. And I think the deal will be able to get a handful of stops against Joe borough rain that for sure. Phanom. It's fascinating because it's such a different Alabama. Yeah, we've never seen ala Bama with a explosive quarterback that they can rely on. We've never, we've never seen an Alabama team that can get behind, not that they have this season, but they have the ability to fall behind and they know that too can rally them from behind. Whereas in the past, if they if they got behind, they didn't really have a quarterback. They could stretched the field and lead these long drives to come back. They really needed to play from a head in the past and they don't to do that anymore. Well, I'm just excited about Alabama again because yes, there are unknowns, but I'll take my chances right. Like if you have to bet the game, I'll take my chances. The team that has looked amazing, albeit against we competition because you just you trust, save. When you trust everything specially with the week of prepare. I hope you don't go through any withdrawals this weekend. I'm gonna check on you on Saturday. Make sure you're doing okay. Alabama to pump into your bloodstream on Saturday there. There's a lot of other games this week. I think you'll be okay. Well, the other team I wanted to talk about that. You mentioned this Clemson and you and I communicated Saturday afternoon and I got the bat signal for meal. I wish we got earlier than week on the podcast, but sometimes information doesn't present itself, but you had the old Clemson reverse line movement to the favorite? Well, it was definitely one of those cases like we talked about Michigan, Wisconsin the week before where the public was lining up to take the dog. They were on NC state, and number of sharper players were on Clemson, and the line was actually moving against the money. I had a feeling that Clemson was probably gonna win the game pretty easily. I may or may not have alerted a few pals of mind to that fact. And the book here we did quite well in that game. Bear had a great tweet since nineteen ninety four. There were eight situations where an undefeated team of five and our better was at least two touchdown undug. So one of those kind of fake undefeated teams. Yeah. And the favorite one all covered all eight times. So like there's a reason that line was that big and you get maximum from the other good team, right? Like they've got the undefeated team coming in, blah, blah, blah. And then Clemson was ready from the start. The line was a little was a little cheap. I mean, what do you think Alabama would have been in that spot against NC state. I mean, they would have been at least like thirty point favorite. So, and yeah, just well, look just looking at the Alabama lines and they're in their own games. Yeah, I think they would have been about thirty point favorite and and again, I don't think Clemson is that much worse than Alabama. I know that sounds ridiculous, but Alabama hasn't played anybody and clemson's got a lot of athletes of their own. So I don't think it's quite as big of a gap between those two schools as most people probably think that it is in when they play Trevor, Lawrence is gonna have a lot more rack is in game experience, which is awesome. Yeah, we'll have a whole month presumably to practice for that game after the regular season's over after the ACC championship game is over and it's going to give Clemson a much better chance this season having a quarterback that can move the ball down the field, the way they had with Shawn Watson, Kelly, Bryant just had no chance and that semi final game last year. Doug, I'm sure you remember that. And I think that both Sweeney made the right move by going to Lawrence and I think he did it with an eye towards a game with Alabama. Probably in the national championship game, I don't think they would play each other in the semi final round because I think Clemson were to lose. They probably miss out on the college football, playoff, especially hundred aimed goes on to feed it, especially if Notre Dame goes on to feed it. 'cause I don't think one loss ACC team would get in over, let's say, a one loss big ten team because the ACC is so down this year. Let's talk about the high profile matchups. This weekend will start in the top ten showdown in Jacksonville, Florida, and Georgia, and the BULLDOGS memory loss. Some, you know, really in front of everyone losing at LSU will now they get two weeks off and they get one of their another rival here, but the Gators. Yeah. I said earlier in the year, I thought Georgia was the second best team in the country behind Alabama head of Clemson that that pick doesn't look too good after what happened in the Georgia LSU game. Right now. We've got this number at six and a half, Georgia, six and a half point favorite in this game. We hit some sharp money. Come in this morning on Florida plus seven. Sharp group take that and that that number moved everywhere. This morning down to six and a half across the market. Ford is very good defensively. Doug, they have a very, very good defense. That should be a great game on Saturday. Total of fifty two. I know it's never fun bit under in any sport these days, particularly football and the NBA, but fifty two does feel high. It definitely doesn't seem like it'd be fun about the under an NBA game right now. Some of these NBA scores are just like eye-popping. Yeah, that does seem a little bit high Florida such a good defensive team. They're going to try to keep that Georgia offense on the sidelines as much as possible. Gotta think the SEC east title is at stake in this game and potential date with Alabama and the SEC championship game. Georgia's a team that could still get back to the college football playoff. I think their their best chance in my mind would be, let's say, LSU beat Alabama for them, and then they could play LSU in the conference championship game. I think that I think if they were to win that game that that'd be I to me, that's the most interesting scenario. Let's just say LSU, beats, Alabama, and then LSU loses to Georgia in the SEC championship game or LSU beats Georgia. 'cause either way, I think the winner of that game would get in and how bama's gonna get in unless they lose a second time. So I think that would be the most interesting sa-. Scenario we could talk about you're looking at to us, you see teams there and believe me if Notre Dame wins out Notre Dame's getting one of those four spots, they sure are another big matchup, high-profile match much, say this one in the big ten Iowa just cruising along six in one. And this is a different hawkeye's team have a better offense. And we've seen in years past not this three yards in cloud of dust nonsense. We've seen Stanley's been kind of impressive, and it's at Happy Valley and this line has come up. It was Penn State. I believe four and a half out six and a half. Yeah, we didn't get that money here. The Penn State money. I mean, we've been moving with the market on that game. We opened at five and a half on Monday morning right now. We're at Penn State, my six and a half, but certainly there was some sharp money to came in on the Nittany lions from the opener of four and a half and some other markets. I think this is the best I would team. We've seen in years. Doug. I mean, they actually have an offense to season. So yeah, this should be a really good game on Saturday and potentially some potential big ten championship game ramifications. Here I look, it's still get into the big ten title game for sure. Total of fifty two feels low. Yeah, that that I mean that does seem like it should be should be higher than the Florida Georgia towed. Right. I was gonna say with you into that other one, I can't agree with that other ranked matchup this one in the Pac twelve Washington state often impressive win. Cougs are six in one this year, and that only loss coming at USC on the Friday night where they really had could easily won that game. I'm surprised they lost it to be honest, even though I was on USC in the Trojans even had chance to cover. So I've kind of been on both sides, offensive that comment. But Washington state, I felt was the better team that game. They just they just messed up a couple times on D. And then in ice it at the end of the game, we're had a chance to. Effectively win the game at the end did not. So they're, they're on the road at the farm hair. Stanford lane three, how good of a coach, Mike Leach. I mean, that guy's just an outstanding football coach. He gets a little, you got to queue the in the US game. Yeah, he did, but I. But isn't that kind of what makes him Mike Leach? I mean, he, he's just, oh, I think awesome. I think that guy the job. He does to have this Washington state team six in one great win on Saturday against Oregon. That was probably the worst game of the week here the west gate super book in terms of our bottom line, the public aim in all over Washington state and Washington state just jumped all over the ducks. Mario Cristobal did not have his team ready to play in that game at all. And that first half, I think they were down twenty seven, nothing at halftime. So just they weren't ready to go there. But this is a really tough spot for Mike Leach in the cougar such an emotional win college game day in Pullman for the first time ever the blowout win, and now they gotta go on the road against the good Stanford team tough spot for Washington state here. I'm surprised you guys had the public Oliver. Was there what do you think that? Oh, yeah, they came in late I, it was all like late money. They just all of a sudden everybody decided right around twelve. Twelve, the Washington state was lock and the money to start. The money started pouring in it was all Saturday afternoon. I think it was influenced eat from earlier in the day with game day. I mean, that's surprising. I would think that Oregon with being a brand would generated the handle. Yeah. I mean, I see what you're saying. I don't know if maybe it was the game day thing, but all of a sudden just we had so many of our house players laying laying the number with Washington state, and they looked pretty good in the first half. So the players definitely got us on that one. All right. So last week, I believe what was at five and one we said with the sharp place? Yeah, we gave out. We gave out a six plays. I said that we'd seen some sharp action on they all want except for Kansas got away from the jayhawks in Lubbock on Saturday. But the other players were good Rutgers had a nice cover for us in the morning. Yeah, there was some ugly dogs. Those Rutgers plus twenty one against north western. Kansas, Virginia plus seven. We really like that on the we that was that was an I liked. I liked that one a lot. That was a play that I just personally, I thought that line was way too high. Speaking of great coach Bronco mendenhall. It's just an outstanding football coach. It's done an excellent job with the with the Cavaliers this year. How that game we discussed against Oregon state. I probably would've liked cow more if they were minus ten, not seven, the seven scared me. I would have rather have laid work. Points. The sharper group actually laid six and a half with Cal, and then that number went up and Cal won that game pretty easily. So that was that was definitely a good pick for sure. All right. So feed us fetus. The winners this week. I'll do my best. I mean, I mentioned we saw some money come in on Florida plus seven this morning, here's one we can get into what we touched on at the beginning of the show Doug with with following a guy when you can't get his number, we had a sharper player laid Clemson on Monday. Now he laid fourteen with Clemson now that number's up to sixteen sixteen and a half, and most spots were at seventeen right now that game Saturday morning on the road against Florida state. Yeah, I saw that game earlier in the week. It's noon talahassee this team. You know, look, I was I was on Miami and the rivalry kind of stupid play, but it is what it is, but they did cover Wake Forest. I was surprised actually covered back toback ACC game. I think they're now to ten in one since the beginning of last season to ten and one thirteen ACC games of give or take. I'm going off memory there, but. They may have righted the ship a little bit. The number feel still low though because of clemson's just firepower potential firepower. Well, it's gonna be tough for Florida state to score. I mean, I'll put it simply it's just NC state could could do nothing against the Clemson defense last week. And I think for two states probably gonna be in a similar spot. Like I said earlier, Clemson, the one team that has the athletes that matchup with Georgia. I mean, they've got what four NFL defensive lineman right now. They're defense really, really good. It's just going to be very tough for the Seminoles to move the ball. That old line is porous, the seminal. So Clemson minus fourteen is one of the sharply. You have already seen what else? Notre Dame. Now we talked about Notre Dame a little bit on this show. We've seen guys laying the fighting Irish minus twenty two and a half minus twenty three and a half. Right now we've got Notre Dame minus twenty four. That game is on Saturday night in San Diego, neutral site game against navy and Notre Dame. They just need to keep stay staying the course. I'm telling you if they've they finished undefeated there. Into the college football, playoff. Oh, no doubt, no doubt, but that is a big number and we know a little tight this time of year as teams can read the press clippings and taste the eligible playoff on ever. Forget your West Virginia mountaineers over a decade ago. Twenty one point I believe it was. I may. That was my one year writing. The ticket writer I was a, that was my first year living out here. I was fresh out of college. I was a teller at the was then known as the Hilton, and I had the fun experience of being teller out on the line as West Virginia gave away their best chance at national championship. We'll never know. But I think they would have beat Ohio State and national championship game that year. It actually opened the door LSU got in as a two loss team and then beat the buckeyes for the national championship. And that was the year less miles of supposed to go to Michigan, right? But then his team got to the championship game and he couldn't leave him in that month. I think that is what happened. Yeah. I actually had a, I admit a future bet on LSU before the season started. I forget what odds I got. They weren't that high, but I bet the Tigers to win at all. So I had some consolation there, but I would have preferred West Virginia going to a national championship game and all they needed to do. I think they were like twenty six and a half, twenty seven. Point favorite aga