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69: Surrender at Appomattox: The Last Days of the Civil War

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69: Surrender at Appomattox: The Last Days of the Civil War

"History that doesn't suck as a biweekly podcast delivering legit seriously researched hard hitting survey of American history through entertaining stories. If you'd like to support HDD S or enjoy some perks like ad free early releases or patron exclusive mini episodes, please consider giving at patriotic dot com forward slash history that doesn't suck to keep up with HDD s news follow us on facebook twitter or instagram. Palm Sunday April ninth eighteen, sixty five. General Ulysses s grant and a few officers right along a dirt road in the quaint hamlet of APPA maddox courthouse. But the aren't headed to the town's namesake building. No they're writing to its other impressive structure. The McLean house. Wilmer McLean. Bought the charming three story tall red brick home with white trim windows in an expansive porch a few years back after his previous residents became the battlefield for first bull run slash Manassas. Poor guy wanted to avoid the fighting how ironic? If all goes well, today is parlor is where the war will effectively end. This Party of union leaders? Make it to Mcclain's home at one thirty PM. Tyne off his horse ulysses sends the wide wooden stairs leading to the front door alone. Stepping inside he enters the parlor immediately on his left different council recall various details on the furniture. But the seventeen by nineteen foot room has at least a black fireplace adorned with white vases. Pattern carpeting a turtle top marble table, a small wooden oval table a couch in a number of chairs. It's here that you listeners greeted by three men, US lieutenant, Colonel Orville, Babcock confederate colonel, Charles Marshall, and of course, the man with whom you list hopes to start the peace process confederate general Robert e Lee. The to commanders could not contrast more starkly at fifty eight years old. The white-bearded blueblooded confederate is dressed in an impeccable gray uniform with a silk sashes dress sword. He stands tall and elegant. Meanwhile, the forty two year old dark bearded US commander whereas dirty union, blue uniform and mud-caked boots. No Sword. Only his shoulder straps indicate his rank of. Lieutenant General. Both men apologize to the other the one for having nothing suitable apart from this new uniform the other for wearing such quote unquote. Rough Garb. Other union leaders enter. You listen introduces them and tries to make small talk. I met you once before generally while we were serving in Mexico when you came over, from general, Scott's headquarters to visit Garland's Brigade. To the Ohio surprise bobby clings to remember him as well. Meanwhile Bobby Lee expresses his thanks to Lawrence Williams. The Federal General sent him a message this morning informing him that his confederate son Cuss Disley was not killed in battle a few days ago as reported. But good has that news is bobby has no interest in dragging this out. He sick at the thought of what must be done and would rather dispense with the pleasantries. I suppose general grants that the object of present meeting is fully understood. I asked to see you to ascertain upon what terms you would receive the surrender of my Miami. The US army general and chief understands. He'll later no in his memoirs, the empathy feels. He's feeling for bobby Lee in this moment. I. Felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a folk who had fought so long and valiantly, and it suffered so much for 'cause though that cause was I believe one of the worst for which people ever fought. Well, dressed in spoken as the vanquished Virginian is ulysses can still see the pain hiding behind the white beard and Brown eyes I mean merely that your army should lay down their arms and not take them up again during the continuance of the war unless duly improperly exchanged. euless answers. Those are about the conditions which I expected would be proposed the confederate response nodding approvingly. Ulysses starts to wax eloquent on piece the end of this fight a cessation to the needless loss of life. Once more though bobby points to the task at hand. I presume general grant we have both carefully considered the proper steps to be taken and I would suggest that you commit to writing the terms you have promised so they may be formerly acted upon. Very well. I will write them out. Illicit aide De. camp. Colonel. Ely Parker brings a cigar chewing commander the small oval. Table. Ulis choose away as he writes up the terms. Wants done. He hands it to bobby. Putting on his spectacles, the older virginian can hardly believe what he's reading. General grant is offering him and his entire army protection for being prosecuted for treason. His officers can even keep their arms and horses. The generosity is astounding. These are not the terms of a conqueror. He's the terms of one who wishes to heal a nation. This will have a very happy effect. Bobby replies as he reads. After making some small edits to the original drafts language Ellie Parker puts his gifted penmanship to task and writes up the formal surrender. It's concluded. Though the formal ceremony will take place three days from now Bobby Lee has surrendered the confederate army of Northern Virginia. He makes the obligatory rounds greeting each of ulysses officers. A pauses as he comes to Colonel Ely Parker. You know the man who just pinned the terms of surrender. Bobby looks mortified as he takes in the well built man's black hair and dark complexion. Is easily black. No. He's a Senate can in fact, he's a grand stadium of Iroquois League. Bobby seems to relax as he realizes. Is Indigenous. I am really glad to see one real American. Bobby finally says they shake hands. Healy's response could not be more profound. Speaking as an indigenous American at the end of a war with still unknown ramifications on American identity. The answers gray clad general. We are all Americans. Welcome to history that doesn't suck I'm your Professor Jacks and I to tell you the story. Today we end the civil. We've heard so many stories, I met so many people. But now we'll hear how to generals on a battlefield in Virginia bringing this brutal bloody war to a close. To Start I'll tell you about the final battle Petersburg and the fall of Richmond. From there will follow Bobby Lee a desperate dash across Virginia to save his army and the confederacy. You'll learn about some of the final battles of the civil war in the lead up to the surrender had apple matic's once that's done. I'll talk about a few big picture takeaways from the war. You know the broad themes you'll want to know before we move onto the next phase of American history. So go back in time a month with me to march eighteen, sixty five. Let's see how Robert e Lee goes from defending Richmond to surrendering t lucy's s grant in the village of asthmatics courthouse. Here we go. rewind. It's march, twentieth eighteen sixty five lieutenant general ulysses s grant sits at his headquarters in city point Virginia just outside the Petersburg battle lines. You, listen his wife Julia have heard how tired and rundown President Lincoln looks these days. So the grants have decided to invite Lincoln to visit see the troops and take a rest. euless rights to his boss. Can you not visit city point for a day or two? I would like very much to see you and I think the rest would do you good. When the president gets the invitation. He immediately agrees the idea of getting out of DC for a few days. Sound so good in fact that first lady Mary Lincoln and their son Tad decide to come along. Yeah. You know you're getting desperate for a day off when a vacation near the front lines of the civil war sounds better than a day in the office. On March Twenty Third Lincoln hop on the Steamer River Queen and head south to meet up with you Liz. The. President has a great time on the short journey. Feel. So good to be out from under the weight of office seekers, meetings, telegrams, and Battlefront News. Mary describes that Lincoln quote. Freely, gave vent to his cheerfulness. He was almost boyish in has mirth and reminded me of his original nature. Close quote. The River Queen arrives at city point on the James River, the next evening and Lincoln's feeling better than he has in years. The president and the lieutenant general have a quick meeting. Ulysses Assures Lincoln that the war will be over soon that confederate general Robert Leah's running out of men and supplies with which to defend Petersburg. Can goes to bed unaware of just how true ulysses words were Here's the thing. Ten Miles west of city point in Petersburg Virginia. Bobby Lee is as stressed as Lincoln is relaxed. He doesn't have enough soldiers to defend the ramp hearts or man the guns on the Petersburg lines, and he doesn't have enough food or Ammo to supply the troops. He has this frustrates the hell out of the newly appointed General in Chief of the confederate army's. He writes the secretary of war and bags for food for his men. He also writes. I can no longer sustain even our small force of cavalry around. Richmond. That's right. There's nothing for the horses to eat either. Bobby lease in a tough spot. But he's gotten idea. The white-bearded Virginia plans to abandon Petersburg fight his way through union lines, March southwest West, and Hook up with General Joseph Johnston in North Carolina. Plan will mean giving up the capital city of Richmond, but it will save the army of northern. Virginia and breathe hope into the dying confederacy. Within hours of Lincoln's arrival at City Point Bobby Lee puts his plan into action. In. The Predawn Light March twenty fifth confederate soldiers make their move against a small log cabin and east portion of Petersburg lines. Notice Fort Stegman A few confederate soldiers acting like deserters come up on the union pickets at the four it started conversation. Once the blue clad guards fully relaxed the rebel deserters show their true colors and signal for their comrades till launch an attack. The battle harding grey clad men soon overrun surprised union soldiers at the Fort. But the reds are overwhelmed by Yankees and can't hold onto fourth standards along. By lunchtime federal troops have retaken the Fort. Captured confederate breast works. Union armies inflict five thousand casualties including taking about two thousand prisoners of war. Bobby Lee has lost man. Lost Part of his defensive works lost the element of surprise. That afternoon Lincoln still goes on his schedule tour union lines and troops. The presidential entourage can't miss the aftermath of the battle for its deadman. The sites sober Lincoln's mood. When he sees lines of confederate POW's. One Observer reports quote. Lincoln's whole face showed sympathetic feeling for the suffering about him. Close, quote. But the tour continues and the rail splitters presence. Cheers Up Union soldiers holding the lines at Petersburg. That evening, Ulysses Lincoln and several other generals and officers sit around A. Campfire. They're easy. Conversation turns serious toward the end of the night. EULESS. Turns. His Blue Eyes on Lincoln and asks. Mr. President. Did you anytime doubt the final success of the 'cause. Lincoln. Doesn't hesitate. Never four moment. The president's visit to city point strengthens his relationship with. Ulysses. A. Few days. Later, the two men are joined by another general who has been fighting to save the Union? General. William. tecumseh Sherman better known to his friends as COMP. Ulysses best friend COMP had already been planning to come to city point before Lincoln showed up. It's just good timing and better luck that the president happens to be here to when cup arrives on the night of March twenty seventh. The next morning some of the highest authorities in the Union War Effort Abraham Lincoln Ulysses Grant William Tecumseh Sherman US Navy Admiral David Porter all meet to discuss how to bring the four year long war to an end. The military men and their commander in chief want to know what terms of surrender they should offer to the confederate armies when the time comes. Lincoln emphasizes generosity and. Leniency. All I want of you is to defeat the opposing armies and to get them in composing the confederate armies back to their homes at work on their farms and in their shops. Let them have their horses to plow with and if you like their guns sucrose with, we want those people to return their allegiance to the Union. Damn those are generous terms. So come ask a clarifying question. What about confederate President Jefferson Davis. Should. He Be Tried for treason? Of course, Lincoln goes back to his country lawyer roots in answers with the story. He tells of a man who has vowed to give up alcohol. When he goes to a friend's house is? Host offers. Eliminate. The host then says lemonade would go down easier if he pours a bit of Brandy in it. Lincoln relates the man's reply. If, you can do so unbeknownst to me I would not object. Cup laughs and nods in understanding if Jeff Davis can escape the country and avoid treason trial unbeknown to Lincoln. That would be just fine with the president. Cup leaves the meeting impressed with Lincoln? The red bearded general later recalls. Of all the men I ever met Lincoln seemed to possess more of the elements of greatness combined with goodness than any other. Diet evening the party breaks up. COMP returns to north. Carolina. EULESS has a few miles west to the battlefront near Petersburg. Lincoln stays in city point eager for these men to bring the war to a close and he list wastes no time making that happen. On March twenty ninth, the Union commander takes a short train ride west from city point to gravelly run the new headquarters of the Union Front. He writes out orders for his short in stature but Fearless Cavalry Commander Phil Sheridan. You might remember from episode sixty, four that Phil has been rocking on the battlefield, cutting off confederate supply lines and subduing his rebel counterparts. Ulysses orders seemed to ignore that they outlined and his men should try to hit Bobby Lee's right flank. But if that's a bust, the cavalry should ride down to North Carolina to help to comes to Sherman in his army. What. So when Phil Reads Ulysses Orders Kinda pissed. But the blue eyed lieutenant general gets it. He pulls villa side and gives him the whole picture. EULESS had to put a contingency plan in writing but he tells Phil that he fully intends to end the war right here. The Calorie won't have any need go to North Carolina. Phil brightens up and replies. I'm glad to hear it and we can do it. The moustachioed cavalryman goes on to say that as the war ends, he wants quote to be in at the death. Close quote. Fill positions his men near the crucial crossroads called five forks to cut off Bobby Lee's best escape route. Since the debacle at Fort Stadmann, Bobby, Lee has stretched out his Petersburg Line. So thin the raid snap. Even. So He sends eleven thousand men under the command of General George Pickett to quote. Hold five forks, all hazards. Close quote. Bobby Lee also sends a message to President Jeff Davis up in Richmond, that this move seriously diminishes our ability to maintain our present line. The next seventy, two hours will be crucial. On. Thursday march thirty. It starts raining. The rain pours down in sheets, fills, trenches, and soaks gunpowder. But that does not deter Phil Sheridan from launching an attack on General George Pickett's lines at five forks. On Friday the thirty first, the desperate confederate soldiers fight against fills union troops with it's nasty deputy, their low numbers, even lower rations. But how long can they hold out? Up in Richmond Jeff Davis makes a move that shows just how worried he is. He gets his wife Berina and therefore looking children out of town. On Saturday April. First Union soldiers fight on. Now, Phil once told Ulysses I have never in my life taken a command into battle and had not the slightest desire to come out alive unless I one. Damn to wonder euless gave this assignment to fill. After two days of hard fighting at five forks, union numbers and Phil. Sheridan's iron will finally break the confederate lines. Ulysses. Doesn't pause for a second. He knows that this victory has opened his chance to break the lines at Petersburg Bobby Lee has lost about twenty percent of his army to death wounding or caption last week. So the Union Lieutenant General Orders Don attack of the Petersburg breast works. At four forty, five on Sunday April Second Union guns opened fire on the rebel lines. The army of the Potomac has been fighting here for months. This is their chance to finally overrun the seemingly impenetrable confederate lines and seize Petersburg. Hundred Twenty five thousand Blue Clad Yankees fight with everything they've got. The breakthrough the outer lines and several places taking thousands of confederate soldiers prisoner. Bobby Lee with only about thirty three, thousand men realizes he can't hold Petersburg or richmond any longer. A white haired Virginia orders a full retreat. Ground Tinian. Sends a message to his bosses in the capital. I see no prospect of doing more Dan Holding our position here till nine. I am not certain that I can do. If I can. Show withdraw tonight north of Apple Matic's. Word of the disaster. Petersburg Soon Rookies Jeff Davis twenty miles north and Richmond. History that doesn't sock is sponsored by Bombo. Baba's makes the most comfortable socks in history of feet they've literally re-thought. Socks, we wear to make them away more comfortable. I wear them every day and I love how they never slide off my heel or bunch up on my toes doesn't matter if I'm in the classroom or going for a run, they keep me comfortable all day long. But the socks do more than keep my feet cozy. They help give back to the most vulnerable members of our community because for every pair of socks purchase Baba's donates a pair to someone in need. The generosity of Bomba's customers has allowed them to donate over thirty four million pairs of socks and county through their nationwide network of three thousand plus giving partners. To Bomb Dot Com Slash H. T. D. S. 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He quickly stands walks down the aisle and exits the church. Several officers and cabinet members guests something big is just going down they follow jeff out the building. Within. A FEW MINUTES JEFF has his entire cabinet gathered in a meeting. While he expected the state of calm just not as ready as you might think. Yeah, he sent his family away a few days ago and many offices have been packing valuable documents. But on the Sunday morning, Jeff, his cabinet scrambled to abandon their headquarters and capital city at Richmond. The president sends a message to Bobby Lee which reads. To move tonight will involve the loss of many valuables both for the want of time to pack and of Transportation Arrangements are progressing in unless you otherwise advise the start will be made. But the real thing confederate president has no choice in the matter. Tells his subordinates to pack as many valuables as possible and burn the rest. Richmond residents get the hint when they see stacks of burning papers outside government offices. The streets become jammed with wagons full of furniture valuables in assessing. The train depot flows with people desperate to leave the city and every available train cars jam packed with panicked travellers. Jeff himself works until after dark. He finally leaves the call and stuccoed confederate White House at seven. PM being sure to leave his desk me in early. He boards a special eight car train along with members of his cabinet and their staff. The train pulls out of Richmond around Eleven PM bound for Danville Virginia where the say government officials hope to set up a new capital those who can't afford to leave or have nowhere else go locked themselves in their houses and listen to the city burn. The last remaining. CS. Military men have orders to set fire not only to records and papers, but to warehouses full of tobacco and cotton munitions and liquor stores. The Fire Burns all night strain blocks of civilian properties well. Lueders possibly the same hungry citizens who participated in the Richmond bread riots. You heard about an episode fifty eight break into abandoned stores and steal any necessities left on the shelves. Near. Dawn the last retreating rebel troops set fire to an ordinance depot. Exploding shells break windows and feed the fires destroying Richmond. Diarist Mary Chestnut laments quote. Everything is lost in Richmond even our archives. Blue Black is our horizon. Flows quote. The next Morning Union troops under the command of general. Godfrey white sold move into Richmond their first order of business douse the flames still threatening the city. From there they can restore order and safety instead of baseball operations. And you can bet that more than one white Richmond resident takes notice of who has just put out the flames occupied their hometown. The All Black Twenty Fifth Union core. The firefighting impeach restoring efforts take awhile. So it's not until late morning on Monday April third that President Lincoln and General Ulysses Grant here about the occupation of Richmond. Lincoln's at city point with Admiral David Porter when he gets a telegram with the news. The president's lying face creases into a broad smile and he says David thank God that I have lived to see this. It seems to me that I have been dreaming Horrid Dream for four years and now. The nightmare is gone. News of Richmond's occupation by Union forces also reaches Washington, DC the reaction. There is a little less reverent and subdued than Lincoln's just before noon. The Telegraph operator at the war department gets a message that reads quote. Here's the first message for you in four years from Richmond. Close quote. The shocked operator jumps out of his chair runs to the open window shouts to passersby Richmond has fallen. The news which clearly indicates that this gruesome stressful war is coming to a close spread like wildfire throughout Washington. City. War Secretary Edwin Stanton gives an impromptu speech to a crowd of well-wishers. With the breaking voice in tears in his eyes, Edwin expresses. Thanks. To the president. To the army and navy. To. The great commanders of sea and land. The gallant it officers amid who have perild their lives upon the battlefield and drenched the soil with their blood. Closed. Quote. Dan. Virginia Lincoln doesn't wait long to visit. Richmond. Let me give just a bit of geography. City point sits at the confluence of James and Apple Matic's rivers. Has Easy access to Petersburg on the FM addicts in Richmond on the James So on April. Fourth. Lincoln gets on a small ship with David, porter in just ten sailors. The party sales north up the winding James River to Richmond. Be. Brave torpedoes and debris in the water but make it safely to the burned over city. When Lincoln arrives, he walks the city streets observing shards of glass and charred remains of confederate records. Of course, the ungainly rail thin president gets noticed by. Richmond residents right away. Now that Richmond has been occupied by union forces the emancipating proclamation applies here. Newly freed black men and women surround. Lincoln shout praised him. It's some even meal at his feet. Lincoln humbled by this and says to the crowd. Don't kneel to me. That is not right. You must kneel to God only and thank him for the liberty. You'll hear an after joy. I am but God's humble instrument. Wing continues his tour of the city. He goes to the confederate white. House. Now a base for General Weizman. We can even take a minute to sit in Jeff Davis is so recently vacated office. In the late afternoon, the US President returns to city point. When Richmond reporter Morris Chester witnessed Lincoln's walk around town his exchange with jubilant freed slaves. Morris writes all of this up in his report for the Philadelphia Press. Quote retirement has never before presented such a spectacle of jubilee what a wonderful change has come over the spirits of southern dreams. Close quote. Why does more tone sound so different from chestnuts. Morris is black. While Lincoln hangs out at city point for few more days. Let's ride West with list grant and the bulk of the army of the Potomac. On April fourth euless gives himself a new mission. Prevent Bobby from getting to North Carolina in hooking up with Joe. Johnston. The blue eyed general rides west from Petersburg to make this happen. Bobby Lee's army of northern. Virginia has been reduced about thirty, five, thousand mental. That's everyone who is manning the lines at Petersburg were on guard duty in Richmond. They don't have enough food. Their animals are worn out. But, these battle hardened toughest nails gray and butternut clad soldiers are determined to get to. North. Carolina. And Bobby has their backs. He has requested at a train full of rations meet his army at Amelia courthouse a small town about forty miles west of Richmond. From here, the confederate army has two good options for joining up with Joe Johnston. One can travel South West Danville checking with Jeff Davis at his new headquarters then move into North Carolina. To they can travel due west to Lynchburg in the Blue Ridge foothills and traveled due south to Danville say hi to Jeff Davis and move into north. Carolina. Second option is longer but still workable. You listen his right hand man Phil. Sheridan. Want to stop me from choosing either option. But it's not the Union army that will put the first roadblock in the rebel armies path. Bobby Lee gets to Amelia Court House he discovers there's been a mix up the war department sent ammo not food to starving men. The Virginia General is pissed can't afford this delay, but he has no choice except to allow his men to forage for Food for few days. The Union Cavalry Under Phil Sheridan take full advantage of this rebel setback. On April, fifth fill in his crew get ahead of the army of Northern Virginia and block the Danville Road. That would be escape option one for Bobby. Lee. Fearless Cavalry Commander Sends Word to Lis-. I wish you were here yourself I feel confident of capturing the army of northern. VIRGINIA IF WE EXERT OURSELVES You list doesn't need more of an invitation than that. He and a dozen or so of his staff hop on horses and ride through the night join Phil. Sure Ulysses is traveling ahead of his headquarters wagons with most of his gear in fresh clothes, but there's an army to capture in a war to win. Bobby, Lee switches the option to. Overnight. He's men begin marching west hoping to get to Lynchburg. But Phil won't let that happen. You Advanced Guards of the Union army travel parallel to the confederates and on the afternoon of April sixth the catch an isolated core of rebel soldiers near Small River called sailor's creek. Fill orders his three corps to attack the rebel supply, wagon, train and soldiers. Within hours, federal troops have taken six thousand. POW's including the confederate general with a spotted record from the battle of Gettysburg, geic you'll. When Bobby Lee hears about this route he exclaims. My God has the army been dissolved. Of course, the indomitable general from Virginia would never let that happen. May? have. Lost nearly a quarter of his men at sailor's creek but he urges the rest of his to keep moving towards. Lynchburg. Yet you list concede that the end is near. On April seventh the cigar smoking general still traveling without fresh clothes or a comfortable tent sends a note to Bobby Lee it reads. The results of the last week must convince you of the hopelessness a future resistance. I feel that it is my duty shift from myself the responsibility of any further fusion of blood by asking you to surrender the army of Northern Virginia. Very respectfully us? Grant. Leeson's a message back and asks what terms the Union General might offer. You get this message in the middle of the night. So he replies early on April. Eighth. Note does not sound like the unconditional surrender grant Vicksburg or Fort Donelson. Piece being my great desire. There's but one condition I would insist upon namely that the men and officers surrendered, she'll be disqualified for taking up arms again against the government of the United, states? When Bobby Lee reads this note he bristles. He's not ready to surrender in only wanted to hear general grant idea on terms. This note sounds like ulysses ready to write up a capitulation agreement right now. which he is. Bobby writes back. To be frank I, do not think the emergency has arisen to call for the surrender of the army. He suggests that the two generals me to discuss peace terms. A political negotiation that you listened knows he has no authority to conduct. This exchanges painstakingly slow since every note has to be delivered by Messenger under a flag of truce. While the gray and blue clad general's communicate via letter, the Army of Northern Virginia keeps moving west. See Bobby. Lee has rations. Yes. Actual food waiting at APPA matic's a rail depot town a few miles east of the safety. LYNCHBURG The Phil Sheridan's cavalry race to cut the rebels off. Approximately seventy five thousand federal soldiers get to APPA Matic's I sees the train depot in railcars, full supplies, and then position themselves on the rail lines. Bobby Lee had hoped to use as an escape route. The army of Northern Virginia only about ten thousand strong due to death capture and desertion is trapped badly outnumbered and has no rations. Nonetheless, they launch at. On? April Ninth Palm Sunday. A few hours of fighting only makes the situation worse as two. Union. Corps. Block at confederate advance while more Yankees threatened the rebel rear. Bobby. Finally admits defeat. The white-bearded general negotiates a temporary battlefield ceasefire, and since one note T- lessees. I therefore request an interview at such time and place as you may designate to discuss the terms of the surrender of this arm in accordance with your off. Ulysses. Accepts without. Question. Clad thoughtfully, and his dress uniform volubly prepares to surrender himself and his army. With a heavy heart, he tells the staff. There is nothing left for me to do. But go and see general grant. I would rather die thousand. That's. You heard about the meeting at Wilmer McLean's house between the commander of federal forces and the commander of all the confederate armies in this episode's opening. Let me jump down to the specifics of the agreement that these two military masterminds reached? I officers and enlisted men will be paroled and sent home. No one's going to jail. No one's facing a treason trial. Second any confederate soldier who owns his horse or mule can take it home with him. Third. All confederate army munitions and guns will be handed over but inning soldier who claims to own his gun can take it home with him and General Robert e Lee will keep his sword. Seems that you following Lincoln's second inaugural address. With malice toward none. He's terms of surrender are very generous. Unconditional surrender grant doesn't even include the words unconditional surrender. while. Ulysses. decamp Ellie Parker makes copies of the agreement Bobby Lee has to humble himself once more. He tells ulysses that his men are starving and had been living off parched corn for days. He badly needs quote both rations and forage close quote. In line with the generous nature of his surrender terms ulysses doesn't withhold food from the now parole rebel soldiers. You promises to deliver three days worth of rations for Bobby lease twenty five men. When you list asks if this will be enough, Bobby Lee replies. I think it will be ample and it will be a great relief. I assure you. As the meeting breaks up y'all Virginia. General keeps his face inscrutable. Bobby Lee has kept himself aloof and as he rides away from the House, the Union officers were staff members watching go without knowing his true feelings. You lists on the other hand looks disheartened. At a moment when many of his men are celebrating and clapping each other's backs in congratulations for a job completed the blue eyed general stays quiet and pensive. Ulysses proves the truth of the hero, the Napoleonic Wars Duke of Wellington's adage quote next to a battle loss. There's no spectacle more melancholy than a battle one. Close quote. When Lincoln by now back in Washington DC, here's the news of Bobby Lee surrender he does not hide his feelings like the southern commander nor does he feel a similar sadness to ulysses? No after leading a nation at war with itself for four years President Lincoln unleashes all of his joy at the conflicts close. Or Secretary Edwin Stanton burst into Lincoln's office and delivers the news. General Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia this afternoon. Lincoln unabashedly hugs Edwin. Back it up matic's Bobby Lee returns to his man. He has to tell them that their fight is over. He has surrendered and now in front of these men that he's led for years, the Virginian lets down his guard. Soldiers lined. The road is Bobby Lee rides by and he says to them. Men. We have fought through this war together. I have done the best that I could for you. At this bobbies, voice breaks and the tears start flowing. One soldier. Let's the news of surrender seen. Gin then calls out I love you just as well as ever generally. In the federal camps, soldiers go crazy when they hear the news of Bobby Lee's surrender. No more marching, fighting, camping poor marching. They're going home the blue clad men start firing cannons and Raucous celebrations. But. Their commander you lis- keeps his eye on the solemnity of the occasion. He tells us to keep it together. The war is over the rebels are countrymen again, and the best sign of rejoicing the victory will be to abstain from all demonstrations. To their credit most soldiers follow this order. And three days. Later, they show a hell of a lot of respect for the capitulating confederates. On April Twelfth Army of the Potomac colds, a formal surrender ceremony for the army of Northern Virginia. You. List. Doesn't attend you signs Major General Joshua Chamberlain the hero of little round top at the battle of Gettysburg to receive the surrender. As confederate soldiers stack their guns in hand over their battle flags many of them are tears. Joshua orders his men to treat their countrymen and former foes with respect. Josh describes the scene when confederate General John Gordon, who took over stonewall Jackson's command in his core approach. Quote. Instructions had been given and when the head of each division column comes opposite our group, our bugle sounds the signal and instantly our whole line from right to left regiment by regiment in succession gives the soldier salutation. From the order arms to the old. The marching salute. Borden at the head of the column riding with heavy spirit and downcast face catches the sound of shifting arms looks up and takes the meaning. We'll superbly with profound salutation as he drops the point of his sword to the Bhutto. Then facing to his own command gives word for his excessive brigades to pass us with the same position of the manual. Honor answering honor. Close. Quote. Imagine this. Hundreds of union soldiers stand at attention with their rifles standing at their sides. At the bugles call they all bring their guns up holding the button there. Right hand as the barrel rests against the right shoulder's. Confederate troops return the salute they march up to the collection piles in hand over their weapons to the Yankees. This display of mutual respect between these armies goes a long way toward healing the wounds of the war. A few days later on April eighteenth confederate, General Joe Johnston negotiate the surrender of his once formidable army of Tennessee to union. General William. tecumseh Sherman. The armies of the confederacy are now disbanded, and despite a few minor skirmishes, the civil war is effectively over. But the rising hope of unity reconciliation and a smooth transition to reunion sparked by the generous terms at half matic's in the respectful surrender ceremony a few days later won't last. Maybe that's why we like to remember these events. Speak to what so many wanted and what might have been However before we follow the United States into its post-war phase, let's take a bird's eye view of the conflict answer few lingering questions and talk about some of the fallout from America's civil war. The start with the most tangible aspect of the war, the death toll. I've said it before, but it's worth repeating casualty numbers in the civil war are hard to pin down. You've probably heard estimates ranging from six hundred, twenty, thousand total deaths up to eight, hundred, fifty thousand. That's a huge difference. Let me give as many accurate numbers as I can. Going into the war, the confederacy had a smaller population than the union. Nine million three point five of which were enslaved compared to twenty, two, million, white, and black. The seceded south field over one million man while the Yankees put over two million soldiers in the battle. Of those over three million men and covertly some women at least six, hundred, twenty, thousand died. That's according to James? McPherson. The God of civil war historians. He says three hundred, sixty thousand federals at least two, hundred, sixty, thousand confederates died. Historian Ron Chernow's writing a little more recently puts that figure at seven, hundred, fifty, thousand. If we use McPherson six hundred, twenty thousand. That means at least two point five percent of the entire American population died in the conflict. Let's zoom in a bit. The south smaller population into smaller death toll but not in percentages. Historians estimate that nearly twenty percent of the white male population in the south died during the war. One fifth. That's approaching the death rate. France will suffer during World War One. Will later call those poor souls the lost generation. If these numbers, still don't account for civilian deaths from battles, starvation or disease. Can't give you an accurate count on that front. We also need to address the property damage done to farms, railways, and factories mostly in the south. Some historians claim that many parts of the south will not recover economically from the civil war by the time the Great Depression Hits in Nineteen twenty nine. To quote willing to come Sherman from speech she will give fifteen years after the war. There is many a boy who looks on war as all glory. But boys it is all hell. Now that we've looked at the numbers, let's ask those seemingly answerable questions. Why did the South Lose? And why did the North Win I. Let's look at the south. Many people want to blurt out some basic fact and hope that these will answer the question. You've probably heard people argue that the confederacy had a lot working against it like being outnumbered having less depth of military leadership having controversial President Jefferson Davis at the helm having significant internal strife or not having enough international support. In yes. All of these factors did contribute to the confederacies ultimate demise, but you can make the same arguments about the north. Internal strife, New, York, draft riots, and peace. Democrats lack of military leadership George be little Mac McClellan. Need I say more? Controversial president. Abraham Lincoln, whose own party members tried to oust him in eighteen, sixty four. International support. Only in theory. So. What did cause the demise of the confederacy? Well Civil War historian Gary Gallagher. Has An answer. He. Argues quote the key factor in bringing rebel defeat and this is easy to overlook if you don't deal with military history is the United States armies proved they could go anywhere and do anything they wanted. Wants the confederate civilian population figured that out what alternative to surrender remained Close quote. This argument also helps us understand how the north one. Like I said the twenty two states in the union faced many of the same struggles and setbacks as the confederacy except the population, of course. Some historians argue that the north one because at a few key points, the tide of war swung its way. The first came at the Battle of Antietam, a union victory that made great. Britain think twice about helping the confederacy. The second is the emancipation proclamation which expanded the scope purpose of the war for the north. The third happened at simultaneous union victories of Vicksburg. Gettysburg which gave many northerners boost morale. In the final is the union capture of Atlanta, which enabled Lincoln to win reelection in eighteen, sixty four. These key turning points gave the union. The will twin. With that Yankee armies could go anywhere and do anything as Gallagher said. It's not that the confederacy lost the will to fight and win. They had plenty of that almost be end. It's that the union had momentum on its side at crucial times. If any of these turning points had gone another way you and I might be having a very different conversation today. We may never get a definitive answer on why south lost or how the north. One But I hope these arguments give you somewhere to start as you explore those questions yourself. Now, that I've discussed reasons for the war's outcome, let's spend a minute. A few of its repercussions. Veterans North and south face serious struggles especially, the petit's they had to rely on federal and state pensions, family help and generous friends to make their way in the world. For men whose job was to financially support a family perform quote unquote Manley Labor and be self sufficient their disabling wounds caused daily psychological pain and social. OSTRACISM. This was especially true in the south, and here they didn't even have the bomb a victory to take the sting out of their wounds. Souther Masculinity, even more than in the north hinged on an able bodied man taking care of his wife and children, and if a slave holder controlling his slaves and land. Men who didn't own slaves could still control their domain through sheer physical will but amputees didn't fit this mold anymore. It would take years for southern society to construct a social place for its main veterans but by then many disappeared to the fringes of society. Some veterans. Came home to a hero's welcome. The aftermath of war led to expanded career options especially political careers. Best Example's probably ulysses s grant who had become president of the United States in eighteen, sixty eight. Before. More civil war vets would go on to become president. Rutherford B Hayes James Garfield Benjamin. Harrison and William McKinley. Countless congressmen, governors, mayors, and state reps used their war service to boost their careers. One examples general Joshua Chamberlain he went into the war as a college professor climbed the military ladder through his exploits at Gettysburg and other battles. Then when home to Maine become a four term governor. Besides the effects on a personal level, the war led to an expansion federal government powers. Federal taxes the draft and national banking system and a federal welfare program. The Friedman's bureau became woven into the fabric of the federal government. The were also effectively took the option of secession off the table. Lastly, and this cannot be overstated. The largest repercussion of the war was the end of slavery. As I said an episode sixty eight, there would still be a fight over citizenship voting rights, property rights, and social equality for black Americans, and we'll cover that. But for now in April. Eighteen sixty five slavery no longer has constitutional protection and as a seeded states come back into the union, they'll outlawed as well. Across the civil war, approximately four million slaves gained their freedom, the last slaves to be freed live in Texas. On June nineteenth eighteen sixty five slaves in the lone star state here about the war's end and their emancipation. The Modern Day of remembrance June eighteenth will honor and celebrate this event. And so the confederacy ends. The deeply shaken. Republic of the United, States survives albeit with a long road ahead. The Nation needs to rebuild itself and its society. In a word, it's entered in over a decade long phase known as reconstruction. But. Before America can even catch it's black. The still burning embers of civil war have one last high profile life claim. And this time, the shot won't be fired on a battlefield. He'll be fired. In a theater. Doesn't is created and hosted by. Greg Jackson researching and writing by Jackson C L Salazar production by air. Sound design by Derek Barents Theme Music composed by Greg Jackson arrangement and additional composition by Lindsey Graham of airship for Bibliography of all primary and secondary sources consulted writing this episode, this HDD s podcast dot com. HDD is supported by fans at Patriotair Dot com forward slash history that doesn't suck. Yellen, dire beyond grateful to kind souls providing funding to help us steep go thank you. And a special thanks to our patrons. These monthly gift puts them accuser status we'll call. Jason Karston John Frugal do. Michael and Rachel. Bob, DRACEVIC fief down real. Andrew Fortune. Rice and cotton rat permit DAX Jones. and John Leech Jeffrey News andbranch shot. 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Peter Found his Co-Pilot

The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Peter Found his Co-Pilot

"Look sometimes a long Zen Yoga class isn't in the cards, so maybe a cookie is pepperidge farm. Milano believes you should make some time for yourself once in a while so in jared goes, and he plays video games in the other room I. Pour myself a glass of wine. I put something on net flicks and I eat milano cookies when he's not around because I know, he's going to steal them one as Milano. Are truly a treat worthy of your me time their delicate in crispy with luxuriously rich chocolate in the middle. You really want to keep these just for you, so remember to save something for yourself. With pepperidge Farm Milano look sometimes a long zen yoga class isn't in the cards, so maybe a cookie is pepperidge farm. Milano believes you should make some time for yourself once in a while so in jared goes, and he plays video games in the other room. I pour myself a glass of wine. I put something on net flicks and I eat milano cookies when he's not around. Because I know, he's going to steal them one is. Milano. Cookies are truly a treat worthy of your me time their delicate and crispy with luxuriously rich chocolate in the middle. You Really WanNa keep these just for you. Sir, remember to save something for yourself with Pepperidge Farm Milano. This is the Ben Nationally I almost famous podcast with iheartradio. And we're back for another week with my amazing co host Ashley. Kennedy. I'll thanks Ben. You're so sweet I think that you are. Feeling good today I feel like you're feeling good. Today I can see it. You have your sure off. Revealing to me and the producers that you love being shirtless around the house, but that you have a pet peeve and that is. When the when Bachelor Nation Guys Habitually Post, shirtless pictures on Instagram is this your Benz bitches of the week. Yeah. It is you know nick? Vile is one of my friends. He's one of your friends I will tell him in a second that I think it is unreal. How many shirtless pictures he posts! I think it is I just think it's. I think it's odd I don't like it especially when you have a significant other, that's where it really crosses. then. Well he can I I'm saying like I can still on him because he's a friend and we all think it's funny and ridiculous. HOW NICK TAKES OFF HIS SHIRT I? Think he even thinks it's ridiculous. What really gets under? My Skin is when you have a significant other, and you're posing those pictures knowing the comments and what you're doing to everybody out there. It's a lot so way of. Are they doing to everyone out there? Is it a trap. It's a thirst rap. It's making me envious. It's making me in probably others mad. It's making people kind of Probably think some some very. Interesting thoughts I don't love it, I don't. I've never understood it. And I think it takes a lot of confidence, which hey, if you got the avs? Maybe maybe it changes things, and I just don't but wouldn't you think it'd be weird? If jared every, let's say once. A every three weeks posted a picture shirtless on instagram. It would be whereas in Zaire married and I WANNA go back and defend I I. Think Nick takes shirtless picks, but he's very self aware of it. He's like Ha, ha! Isn't it funny that I'm posting other shirtless? Pick what about Tyler Cameron who literally doesn't seem like? He owns a short. It really feels like it's like working from him from of attention standpoint. But I look at it and I'm like I can't follow this because it's it's. It's not fun for me. That's not like I'm not a dude. Wanting to follow a dude who takes off his pictures shirt off all the time. It's not my thing. Yeah, it is. It's a pet peeve of mine. I'll put it out there. And also so here's the reason my shirt today, so and then I'll reveal something silly about myself. I went on a long run just about. Ten minutes ago I was working on the driveway, and then just because brother wanted to haircut so I cut his hair, so I took off my shirt so I didn't get hair all over, and then I was sweaty from Iran. I think I'm not putting my sure back on in fact, I'm with family here on this podcast I'm just going to sit down and do. The whole podcast shortlists to cool down, but also I'm the feeling good today I had a good call are closed. Today already it's been a rough couple of weeks. for me personally professionally with the restaurants and the coffee shops I've talked about it. We don't talk about anymore, but. I had a call today a group of people from generous, the generous ambassadors, and they all shared stories this forty of. Stories of good things that are happening in their life, and around the world and what they're doing, and it fired me up because there are some people out there doing some awesome stuff during the shutdown for others, and so I was like I'm just I'm encouraged today I'm so encouraged that my shirt came off. Okay so I've had a habit of wearing my underwear around the house like my me undies underwear, so like boy, short underwear, and is a tank top around my mom, my sister and jared. And they're like you know you should probably put some pants on. It's kind of weird. Weird and you don't look like her secret. Look like Tommy pickles in those things. And I think I was sexy, but there is something that I don't like wearing pants. I prefer shores for sure, but here at my parents house. I don't really have a Lotta short. Son Like Hey, I'm wearing boy shorts like they're very covering. They're far more conservative than my bikini bottoms, and sometimes when I wake up and I up the stairs, and I have my cup of coffee in the morning. I'll sit on the couch, just my underwear, but apparently it's not sexy, nor do they. appreciate it, so it's too bad. So. Are you going to change? US GonNA. Keep going yeah. The gave me the talk about it and. and. And then the next day I did it again, but the reason was because I was cleaning. The House and I didn't WanNa get like Clorox in bleach on my pants so I, said I'll put pants on cleaning. The Ashley. This is this summarizes quarantining with your family in one story. Changing things are not a change in here We're back for another week of the almost famous podcast. If you listen and if you appreciate this podcast, what pleased go to wherever you listen to podcasts and rate us in comet. On our podcast. Things aren't changing here Ashleigh. It's been awesome. Talking to you week over week in. I'm telling you bachelor. Nation hasn't slowed down at all. It's unreal. It's crazy. So, we have some hot topics. We're going to run through real quick today. We're also going to break down this week's episode of listen to your heart. I've I've said it last week that I thought the show really took a big dip in like kind of my my personal Feelings interest towards show. Yeah, but I think this week. It picked up a gin excited to hear your thoughts in just a few minutes. Because I know that you've stayed very engaged before we do. Let's take one break when we come back. We're GONNA break down the hot topics in Bachelor. Nation will back on the homelessness podcast. During this time of change, we want you to know that one thing is certain. ZIPRECRUITER's focus hasn't changed their still doing what they've done from the very beginning, helping people who need to find work and helping grow businesses that finding the right people for their open roles. So if you're out there and you're looking for a job right now. 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Ben The first hot topic is the announcement of a new show for the bachelor, but it's basically a bunch of reruns, so ABC is set to Air Bachelor the best of series in place of the Bachelorette so actually crazy crazy. Is that the Bachelorette was supposed to premiere and. Literally a week and a half. Isn't that nuts like as of right now? Clare was supposed to be getting engaged this week so Ashley. You follow this stuff. Is, there any update on win, and if and how the Bachelorette is filmed, because even started you know I'm in the last thing I heard was what we reported a couple of weeks ago that they were thinking about renting out a hotel and quarantining the entire cast and crew to that hotel for the five week shoe, and I still think that seemed like the most possible way of filming these days, and that they would be filming in July and August, and then it would be set to air in September. If this first headline does not point to ABC's reliance on the Bachelor I don't know what does ABC to Air Bachelor. Best of series in place of the bachelor at Ashley Tell Us What this will be. You've highlighted, but into detail a bit so in replace of the Bachelorette. They're going to be airing. A ten episode series called the bachelor the most unforgettable ever. It's going to start airing on eighth and each episode is three hours. And it's going to highlight the wildest moments from the franchise's. History, this is what the The New York. Post is reporting Chris Harrison will be the host and. If, it sounds like it sounds like he's going to be filming this from the driveway of the Bachelor. Mansion in you know calabasas area of California and that they're gonNA use a really small crew to work with him ensuring safety. Would always what these specials always make me think of our. What moments are we going to see? How many moments are truly pretty forgettable or they going to? If it's ten episodes with three hours each meaning. You know I don't know the the math on. That seems like it'd be a simple thirty hours, but then with commercials or whatnot. It's going to be less than that, so let's just say it's. To a knee hours am I doing this right twenty hours of wildest moments from the past eighteen years. So it's going to be a lot of bachelor bachelorette that we don't remember a lot of. People that we we don't remember but I guess it's cool, because a lot of the season's that we as like millennials have invested ourselves in Or haven't invested ourselves in will will be able to see those from our high school years and such so it. That'll be cool. It's GonNa be a really interesting show. I am not going to be watching when it comes to my season with just beside me, that is just so sad to think about her having to see that season, but then I must ask you. Yeah, of your time on the show, Bachelorette or bachelor. which scenes you feel will. Hit the arrogant. It's hard to say fully I. Mean I think the I love You's will definitely be thing. But when it comes to the Bachelorette Caitlyn season had so many memorable moments. What are the moments that I enjoyed? The most was when tanner an I and jeered a sex ed day. That was I don't actually was on that date. But Tanner I. Know was there that was a that was kind of my first moment to like. Relax on the show and actually start to enjoy experience the second, which is what I really hope they show because it has marked so much of my life is me feeling unlovable like that moment to me was honestly to this day the moment that I felt like I could finally be free of an insecure diet held for a long time. and. It's all I mean. Honestly, it's just really good for me to see and to feel again. Because that was really a real moment for me so I think I've read recently told you us, but your sex ad. Talk was gesture your. Your moment that struck me as like. You're going to be a bachelor star moment. Does that make sense like at that moment? I was like this isn't GonNa, be some regular cast number like this guy is the front runner to be the Bachelor I. Sure? And I just I mean like Ben. It sounds really awkward, but like. My Mom and I rewound multiple times, and I was like I had a crush on Ben. Feel like. Well. That's sweet. You know Ash. I'm I'm glad, but it is. A member of because. It was my first moment to like. Take a deep breath and be like holy cow I can. I can do this. I can be myself here in the midst of this craziness, Ashley, what is it for you? What moments you hope comes out with with you a part of it. Well I know that the badlands will come out and I know people love the badlands scene and I love the badly unseen two and I think everybody who says that it's like the most unforgettable to on one ever. It's funny because every time I watch a two on. Oh, no, this one. This one's definitely more epic. that person was definitely whittier. That person has way better comebacks than I did. That's what I think of. When I think of that scene, it's like I know. That I was so proud of myself or telling, Kelsey off in the badlands and I was very excited to see it again and the reaction that I got was thrilling. And I was proud of myself, but. The only thing is that I wish I sounded a little bit smarter while explaining that I was smart. Very M trying to like prove to this woman that just because like I'm into some vein. Things doesn't mean that I'M A. Surface type person and that I had depth, and that was really well educated, and then I am smart. And then. I I. Just didn't sound super. As articulate as I imagined I did in the moment, but I seriously still very thankful. Grateful that people think that I want. So I feel like every time I, see that scene back I'm like Oh you could have done better. You could have done. That well. No I mean I think I think we all have those sustained out to us It's coming out soon, bachelor, you'll be having some more bachelor stuff to watch, but we have been entertained Ashley by this next headline. One that I feel like is getting attention. But I'm confused on why it's not getting more. This is a big deal. The Bachelor's Peter Webber says he got it right with girlfriend. Kelly, Flanagan, they are officially together. Ashley tell us what you know. Well, you know. They're together the mid instagram official this week. he said in the instagram caption. You caught me. Lead the adventure. Begin those posted on Sunday. Alongside a picture of him. Setting in the sunset with Kelly as his co-pilot. Or in the you know the captain's chair, then Co captain's chair. And then that's it seems like his parents also posted pictures of the two of them together reaffirming that they are official. Is Anybody more excited for this than barb. Definitely not. Barbara so happy. So happy. This this all worked. This all worked how how she wanted it to. Its came full circle, but Peter Weber is with one of his ladies from the seizing Kelly Flanagan they are still quarantining together. They seem happy. We've had Peter on. We had Kelly on and almost depth the few. What three and a half weeks ago and they were like. Oh, no, no casual, not defining the relationship, but I guess in quarantine. You define it fast. Yeah so we're happy for him. I know a lot of. Is criticizing them, but ultimately in ten years we'll look back on his. Are they happy in work? And I hope it is. It seems like it's working for a lot of people from his season. Because Bachelor alum, Hannah and sloughs spotted with steelers. Mason Rudolph, yeah so. Let's address the elephant in the room here. These two aren't doing the best drop at. Social Listening, they've been seen three times together. out and about and they. They're like going to coffee date. Recently they went to. starbucks picked up coffee. They've been strolling. And this is the guy that Hanna kind of alluded to when we were interviewing her a couple of weeks ago. I think they're cute. Couple for sure If you guys don't know Mason Rudolph, is the steelers backup quarterback and he? Was the one had that crazy helmet hit in the head controversy last fall. And he is. Twenty four and she is twenty four. And I don't know how this romance got started, but I'm assuming this is probably a DM situation. What do you think it's an well I am assuming that just because I think that's how a lot of stuff works these days especially when we are at a distance and there hasn't been a lot of group gatherings Ashley this points to a common theme, though that's been happening over the last, let's say three years. It's happened off and on before, but really got heightened over the last three years is bachelor nation contestants, dating celebrities or people already in the spotlight after the show? It's The D. M. Ing thing it just. Makes, it makes it so easy to connect with anybody who is famous, and in a there's a lot of celebrity fans out there, so of course of their age appropriate. They're going to reach out to somebody I. Think is the show. You know it's funny and I'm. GonNa, make this about me for a second is You know if you asked me. I I remember talking about this. When I got off the Bachelorette, before as the bachelor, if there was one celebrity that I was just like wanting to drop if DMZ were thing back then I think I, said, Jennifer Aniston Courtney Cox. You know what I found out this week though. Jessica looks just like Courtney Qazis Oh my God. That's so funny now so i. Bought just massive massive. Homerun for me. The next headlines Why tether Cameron wouldn't go on Bachelor in. According to e online. Okay, well Tyler said that he's a one woman kind of guy and He said that he you and then Dylan Dylan. Who you know as close friend from Hannah's season, said that tyler would absolutely be ruined by going to bachelor in paradise, and he warned his friend that they would make you look so bad. He also says you had such a great rise that they'd be like all right. It's time to have this guy fall. What else are we supposed to do? Just keep him rising. That's actually really interesting. That's a really interesting thought that he has I think he's probably right. I think especially with Tyler's. Dating the dating celebrities and all of that. That they probably make him look like he was fame, hungry and I. I just don't think that there is a way that they would make. Tyler looked better than they did on Hennessy's. Especially, you know like some of his. His take talks. They're like a little crude. You know like you can tell that the guy has a A wild wild side thank you. She is a wild side, so here's my question though. You know. We can blame it on what they'd make him. Look like, but let's assume for a second. It's completely up to the contestants to look like how they wanna be look I mean, Blake, another friend of ours would be the first admit his decisions leading up until paradise were not good like he he he made some you know. He dated around Bachelor Nation Pretty Heavy. He set himself up for that story line during Paradise so this tyler have that storyline that would that would crush him. Okay. I think so I think he's just dated too much. Much publicly for them not to be able to figure out a way to make his storyline, not look player like I also need to talk about the fact. That came out this week that G, G, Hadeed is pregnant. I think it's absolutely ridiculous with the the headlines have said this week about tyler being affected by it emotionally like that that one night that he had to play drinking games with his friends because he was so tired out about it. Oh my God! Now guys so over it like don't they're making something out of nothing? Nothing well. One of the people at Tyler Cameron has been spotted with. There has been rumors that maybe they are getting back together. That has been crushed by both them up to this point, but Hannah. Brown is out here joking about her first performance in the fantasy suite with Peter Webber. This is according to cosmopolitan. All right before I. Explain this story. Let's listen to the audio on Hannah Brown's Tiktok. with the caption reading when Chris Harrison asks you about fantasies week and you nervous doing that. You know what I was nervous for my second performance from I find are like. Okay wait is like when I saw that on her Tiktok I didn't even think twice about what she meant for. Oh my God da, so yes, she's saying like for her fantasy. Sweet with Peter, she's like a party. Let's like you now. I'm not taking this on super seriously. We're just GONNA have a ton of fun and the second one I was like ooh. Pressures on so Ashley just. In case, a bill is out there going. I have no clue what she was talking about this. What is she referring to? She's referring to her overnight date with Peter and then her overnight date with tyler now we know she didn't end up sleeping with tyler. She decided that she wanted their relationship was already physical enough as you didn't feel like, she needed to test or physical chemistry. But she's still saying that she was nervous walking in there. Maybe that was a decision. She didn't make into later. Because we're all we're talking about performance here. You know, so, that's. So that's gotTA. Be Physical Right. I mean I would assume I think that's what everybody's pointing towards if she something different. I would encourage Hannah Brown to maybe explain herself, but I think we're. We have a pretty good idea what she was talking about The headlines picked it up. Press was all over it again. Hannah and Tyler have both stayed out there during this quarantine in amazing ways consistently coming up with just tick talks and instagram posts and also relationship rumors, but we have had. Our final update would be that Hannah Brown and tyler have both said. Hey, they aren't together. They're not dating but we may see them together again. Hanging out at some point as actually, and I said Bachelorette does not slowed down during the shutdown. In fact, that feels like there's new headlines and more headlines interesting headlines. Every single week. Ashley let's take one more break when we come back. We have a really really special gas coming on the podcast and just a little bit. It's bree from. Listen to your heart, but let's break down this week's. Bring her on to clarify any questions. You and I may have sounds good. Did you guys know that? 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Coming into this week of listen to your heart, the couples are shared Julia Matt and Rudy Brie in Chris Jamie and Trevor Brandon in Savannah in Ryan and Natasha. Again this week. Mostly drama was around, Julia so, we started the Ash. The episode would Julia and Sheridan. She's. Hamming it up, making it seem like she likes him more than she really does. She's saying that she's happy about their performance. The other night and Sheridan his feeling good about their relationship, and he said that he feels like it's the best they've ever been, but then of course. Chris Harrison has to come in and ruin every. White men pause here. I have to say. How cringe does Chris Harrison feel when he has to leave this conversation? Saying and don't forget to listen to your heart. Oh I, think he turns his back from the camera and just. Shakes his head. I mean he has to knowing Chris Arizona. Real life guys like that's the last thing he would say naturally. Don't forget to listen to your heart. Now I really think it comes to the bachelor and the Bachelorette. His kind of lines are one that he really enjoys like they're good. Solid tagline delivers them well. But, listen to your heart it just it feels if feels awkward. Just doesn't work truly I. Feel like he turns around after his little five second hit. He goes back to his houses. I'm sure within five miles of this house and he's like. I can't believe I'm doing this. Well, but actually I really I started the podcast that was saying it. Last week I watched this and I was like. Hey, I don't know if this show has any legs like I really don't okay, I just want to say I'm still enjoying it. Yeah, I just think that Chris thinks it silly, but this week. I watched it and I feel. I felt more into it and I. I'm going to tell you why. But let's set up the story for Chris. Here's and comes in and makes announcement that the couples are going to go on dates with other contestants that are not in a relationship with these can be friendly dates. These can be romantic dates if you want them to be I I believe it was a way for the show to cultivate not only a little bit of drama, but also forcing people out of their comfort zones, because people kind of coupled up very quickly. Yeah so we see that Jamie and Ryan are set up on a date which I was excited about because they had an early connection, so I thought. Let's see if putting them in a more romantic atmosphere will. Fire, that up again. And then Chris and Rudy GonNa date because I think they wanted to see whether Rudy's man met at home would start flirting flirting with anybody else, but I really think that the reason these dates were derived was because of Julia, and Brandon and their loved square sort of kind of with Sheridan and Savannah. And they really just wanted to put Julia and Brennan in a situation where they would feel that romantic. Spark again so that. The drama. Go down the house. Here so. I don't mind this idea. Actually think it was interesting television. I thought I. Don't think it was insanely unhealthy. Because as we saw Jamie and Ryan did just have a friendship, and it was actually really fun to see them just bond over their history, and how much they appreciate each other. that. They wanted to test Natasha back at home. because. She never really explored any relationships with anybody else. And Kristen Rudy a you know at this point. It just proved how much Chris is in debris and how you know Rudy is in the Matt and that, and that is going well, so that was interested in other Julianne Brain thing. I have an issue. Because shared has been kind and considerate this whole time. He obviously has put his focus on Julia. I feel like Julia up to this point. Has. Been Watching this I'm still shocked at how quickly she said became all about Sheridan because I felt like the whole time. She's always questioning her feelings towards him. And for the first time ever. It became very very present to me. Watching it like Julie doesn't know she knows what she wants, but it's definitely not shared I. I feel like I've known the entire time. She was like Sheridan. The safe choice that guy. That's always GonNa want me. And because he's so safe, I'm just GONNA play around a little bit with Brandon now I definitely think watching their day. In their plan in the car sort of that the plan was to break up with Sheridan and was savannah. and. It seemed like he was breaking up with Savannah until. He looked like he was a picking a fight with her, and then he said. If you want. What the heck was Jewish in bed with with Brandon and This is so let's pause here. Let's get our. Let's get our clarity back. I want to ask the listeners. Situation Are you enjoying this show? comment email us at been an Ashley Iheartmedia DOT COM or Hashtag. Almost podcast on twitter or read it. Okay, so as we group together here We're focusing on Julian Brandon. They had a date that there obviously wasn't interested in each other. I don't think we've been proven. I don't think any of us. Assume to this point that either of them were going to be. Focused on the person that they left back at the house, so we thought this dangerous. It definitely got. It very quickly became Ono. Sedan shared are GonNa take the brunt of this and I personally was hurting for shared an answer Vienna as they drove the car back. I I felt like. But and breakup in re feel and recognizing who you WANNA be, with. Is Not a bad thing that happens all the time on the show. And even at hurts, it's okay. However Ashley. What got me. Is How they both handled these conversations once they got back to the house. So you have to tell me what the kids are calling it these days, but they both very quickly started to place blame. On. For lack of better word, the victim, the person getting broken up with they both made me cringe at how quickly they're like. Why are you mad at me? Why are you acting like? Why are you walking away from this conversation? Why are you being so mean? Of course you being mean broken up with? Yeah. Of course that was very weird of her to respond. To Sheridan. Why am I giving out attitude? Because yeah, you're. You're like me as much so I think that I don't have to be Super Nice Yard now, but I promise me that you are going to do this. But that, too. But then I guess at least Julius said I. Don't think I'm going to be able to get there with you. The way that Bahrain. Okay, that's what I'm saying like. That's good. But what Brandon did trying to like sore, he didn't was he breaking up with Savannah or did he have totally different mentality than Julia did walking into that house? Was He actually not sure or did he want to Sh- Savannah to. Leave, and he was going to make it as sloppy as possible so that he didn't have to formally dump her, and she would just decide to leave on her own. He I think he wanted everything I think he also couldn't take responsibility for decisions. He had already made I think he didn't want to feel guilty for ending a relationship I. Honestly Think Brandon was running away from conflict I really disliked this moment. Because I really dislike brandon. Well be sure and I think a lot of people feel that way. I don't think Julian Brennan handled it well. What do you call it win you? Is. That s not gas lighting, right, but like when you. When you like flip the switch and you're the one delivering bad news, but you manipulate it. That's gasoline. Yeah to feel guilty about it like. That, that was not okay, and it really angered me because. I think Savannah was like whatever this is not right for me. I'm just. GonNa go home and like I. Know I'm going to be fine. I'm super talented. Pick myself back up She's hurting because of another Phil Sheridan though I think this him deep like this is a real emotion Sheridan his the sweetest. You can feel his kind soul. Emit through the television he so nice. So, rude a you can tell the kind of relationship with everybody in the House you know Savannah deserves better, and I truly think that Sheridan deserves better. And I know that everybody's always so sad when they're leaving the bachelor mansion, it's like a self. Pity Party, but. But the experience that you get will ultimately help you find the person that you're meant to be with, and he's meant to be with somebody. Both of them that respect them far more than Julia and Brandon did. In our context clues, fans are this Brennan and Julia Walk back into the mansion after their date Brandon, says. Hey, we're going to go. Have really tough conversations, but we're GONNA. Come back together in this all be okay, so the assumption is they're both on the same page that they're going to end their current relationships and get back together well. This takes us to a point where that happened. You know even though we don't love how it happened. It happened. Relationships moved on Julian Brandon. Come back together. They both are hurting a little bit from this, and this is where things get really weird. Now and I and I think it's a good question for audience. Who Side Are you on? But there's a question, asked brandon him. That says hey, if Savannah would have said I want to fight for this. Would you said yes, and he mouse right in front of Julie Michigan here. Yes, I would have said Yes to Savannah. That's where things get weird. Ashley! What happens from there so so weird? I'm so confused by him. I don't think that he really has strong feelings either woman, so he's just GonNa. Flip flop back and forth. He's a total player. And so what happens from there? Is that Natasha backstage before they are about to perform at the Novo in La. Tells Julia that Brandon said that he would have kept savannah if she really wanted to fight for it and Ben. Julia gets very pissed off that she would offer up this information so close to their performance time because it's obviously going to throw off their chemistry than Julia goes to Brandon's room and he says I didn't definitively say that I was GonNa. Choose Savannah if she was going to fight for it. And you can just tell in that moment. That Julia was like L. Not definitive, but it was something on your mind, so you definitely didn't stick to the plan that we had coming home from our day. You still had feelings for maybe both of us. Nothing frustrated me more Ashley. Maybe because I liked. Like this episode I was so into these moments I was like you guys. This is causing so much damage in so much pain to the people around you brandon the way that you're like looking at Savannah during this. Break up in the way that you're. Like kinda lying, so Julia and you can't decide what you want. So a makes me makes me angry. Make me mad and hey. I haven't honestly invested any emotion in the show until this point so I don't know what that says about me, but What do you do? Okay, so obviously I feel like Natasha had poor timing there. She had very. She had timing that was going to strike up a lot of drama. I'm assuming that the timing wasn't necessarily. Something that she came up with. that. I think that she was probably you know said. You know. There was like a little manipulation and into that topic being brought up backstage at the performances. But I also don't that like. Julia should have hit that information. I just think that she said a bad time for Julia. What do you think? Yeah I mean. Natasha said it, and if she was trying to sabotage a performance well, she did it. She did it and it worked, and I guess at the end of this. You know people call game. People call it contested and this more than the bachelor definitely feels like a contest in the TASHA. Well, she won the battle. Now before we get into the pro forma, ince's at the Novo, Let's take one more break Ashi. We come back. We're going to break down the performances at the Nova's so cool. Did you guys know that? Over eighty percent of women will experience hair thinning at some point in their life, this can be caused by the natural aging process, hormonal changes like pregnancy, stress, or over styling as women are, hair can be a big part of who we are, and how we express ourselves. You know different looks. Every day with viviscal reclaimed the hair that makes you fully you. 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They didn't show Brian speaking at all every time. Chris Harrison went to a Rachel and Brian. She's on the half of them on air from always even notice it even notice that. No, but now I. DO I remember I? Think I think the only time we saw Bryan. He walked out, and then I think he whispered in somebody's ear like maybe Toni Braxton. Like yeah, she's nervous. Only thing I think we heard him. Which is Kinda Sad? I felt bad. Brian just doesn't like the guy has never like he had. He was overshadowed by Peter Obviously during that season. And then you know they get married in like people want to celebrate them, but we just don't like Brian never like. It's not like if anybody knows him yet. Nobody knows Brian he's the only final one that. I can't say that they now so. I up in the performance is. As Rudy and Matt and they sing, Tennessee whiskey. They do a great job. They sound so good together I felt the chemistry. Rachel. Brian love their performance and they loved the way that they embrace and kiss afterward. I feel like it was overall good. I mean I. Guess I wasn't blown. I! Was I was like yeah, like out of so into that in real life right, but like I was blown away. The Way I am later in the episode. What about you know? I was more blown away with Toni Braxton's. Common of play. That guitar like you're playing her. I'm Kinda with her. When she said like I WanNa Watch, performance duet and be uncomfortable like I want to be in my chair. I shouldn't be watching this because it's so romantic and they kind of had that like. I think as much as. The. Tasha. Ryan kind of had that, too, but they definitely you could sense that they really are into each other. which is cool to see? Yeah, I love I love their performance. So then Jamie and trevor went, and they sang like I'm GonNa. Lose you and the judges thought that they were a little off. It seemed like Jamie was really nervous. Especially, the first half as As. Andy grammer pointed out. And Yeah I I. IT seemed like she was nervous. I think that kind of nerves is probably going to be more evident to the people who are watching in person than US watching on TV, does that make sense? Do you think that? Yeah, but at the same time again I watch, and I'm like I don't know what musical town. They all sound good to me I. Don't know if she she sounded great so much better. I would so. I was only picking up on that because I think there was this. You know unlike Rudy and Matt. She had her hand on the whole time, and it looked comfortable to have it like I wanNA. Touch you and sing with. You know you're there when? When Jamie would do that. It would almost just feel like a little uncomfortable like neither one she wants it. He kept backing away. So that was my only sign. I feel Jamie still twenty one I still feel like she's getting to know herself getting comfortable in her own skin I. Don't know if it's just performance thing I, think is just as an overall human thing. It could be. She wants it. She wants it so bad next up. Was Chris and and they saying Taylor Swift's Lover Toni? Braxton loved the performance. She says she really saw connection. You know There was definitely chemistry between them. They sound great together. That's all. I. Would agree. They. They're just considering people. They're consistent, but there to people that I watching this show that I say this beautiful like I think this could work out long-term, and this is what keeps me coming back to being a fan of the show is watching these to just sing together and relate with each other is is really a beautiful thing to be on TV. They tease them getting married in Vegas next week and you know what I think they might. The why not? The biggest part of their performance was of course her admitting that. She whispered I. Love You, and then she told the whole audience what you said, and that he didn't hear it, and then, of course he said if I had heard that I would have said the same thing back to you, and they kind of exchange I love. You's backstage afterward very very sweet. Julian Brandon are up next and they sang pat better tars amazing ballad. We belong together. Rachel felt that they were a newer couple and she was glad that they admitted that because she felt like it was kind of a karaoke. Performance and Tony said that she felt tension. I felt tension I felt like his body language was so off from her. She was completely turned in to him and she was trying to connect with him, but he is just like I'm performing for the audience now you. I, I watch this and I missed bring in Savannah because I felt like the did have a connection now. Was it a healthy one I? I can't say, but I don't like Julian Brandon just didn't like it was, so it was like. Jamie. Was Not hard for me to watch Julia and Brandon hard for me to get through because it just it felt so weird. He just didn't seem to her. Is is rough and then there was the performance of the night. Love that you love this guy got. It's amazing Ryan and Natasha saying the best thing that ever had. You are the best thing that ever happened. And it was hot. They are so equally talented like he has amazing amazing tone to his voice, and she has pipes and strength and they. They don't I. Don't think have chemistry off the stage with Damn. Is it electric on the stage? I can watch them reform all day long. And I'm good with that like I. Think Watching this show I watch it because I WANNA see connection on stages. Listen to your heart right if love happens with Kristen Bree, amazing, how beautiful, but if you can in this is the wrong term, but like if you could fake it onstage similar to Bradley Cooper and you know they like that's beautiful, and it makes us intrigued, and it's fun to see and. Tasha definitely have that Here's a cool park last week. and I thought it was true. The judges said Ryan on Tasha could overpower you like she could run you out of this room. Ryan stood up to this. We were equally as great I completely completely agree they have different voices, but the way that they worked together is so amazing and I think you're right for them. It's about performance. They're kind of singing and acting at the same time. They know that you have a friendship and like they're probably attracted to each other, but there's not some great romance there, but for us as viewers in doesn't matter when they're on stage. Not at all, not at all well, that leads us all up. There's a performance is it leads us up to the rose ceremony with the judges have the power breezy and Christie not a surprise. Matt in Rudy stay not a surprise. The TASHA and Ryan stay there. Performance was incredible, but it was down two Trevor Jamie Julia. In Brandon, the judges I think made the right decision Ashley. Do you yeah one hundred percent I was actually surprised that the drama was sent home so next week I think we're GonNa be concentrating more on actual connection and performance chemistry. Julia I! Mean Brandon Brandon doesn't care about any of this. He's so nonchalant and Julia A. She was the drama Queen of the. House owes kind of like all right. Let's let's get rid of this and concentrate on the important stuff next week. Juliet Brandon are sent home, and the drought doesn't stop there Julius. Starts to bring up how mad she was at Brandon. How disconnected he was, and how she wishes she would have chose Sheridan. Now I'm all confused and in fact I'm so confused I'm just saying I'm. I'm happy to go onto next week. Because I I don't think I can take another week of the. Going back and forth as much as we have. It always takes being screwed over by a bad guy to appreciate the good guy that you had. You never know what's what you had until. It's gone I think that this song at some point. Nick Jonas Sung Song. Birds, you get deal. It's gone. I don't think there was like I think I'm thinking like an oldies. I don't know Ash well. That was this week's listen to your heart It was a a better performance for me. I'm going to great at this week on a scale of what we expect a B. Plus good I I read it a b plus as well. And I'm intrigued I'm going to watch next week. Excited to watch I'M NOT GONNA be dreading it. It's actually it's. It feels like these couples have some potential Ashley. Let's bring on bree to break down this week's episode a little bit farther, but also I mean. What do you think like just really focus on? Bringing Chris because their relationship is beautiful. Agree and like I said debris. I think it's GonNa. Come down to their real life love versus the passion that we feel between Ryan and Natasha onstage. Let's bring in brief. 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Is this couple going to be there standing at as the last couple in the end because of love or because of their performance passionate together. So, it's definitely going to be a little bit of both their chemistry on stage as well as their chemistry. In their relationship, so it's equally judged on, both I'd say. Can I make? A prediction as to who standing in the end. Is GonNa. Come down to you and Chris and Tasha and Ryan. I like that prediction and I feel like you and Chris definitely have the genuine love, and I feel like Natasha and Ryan have. A talent and performance that. They really meant melt together. Thompson, Ryan or very very hot on stage. There's no denying that they're quite a do of. Bree let's start at the beginning here. What was this whole experience like for you? Listen to your heart. Experience for me was everything You know I have performed a lot in the past, but never with. Someone that I genuinely love I performed with other musicians and stuff, but for the most. It's just been me so as a really interesting experience to. Not Begin a lot of time to the super prepared to be on stage with a partner in Having to you know impressed. The judges will also communicating chemistry that you know is there, but hoping they receive it well, so there were just a million things going on in my head the entire time. So! It's really fun to look back in. See how it was communicated. Now that I'm watching it. We saw you guys totally. Fall I'm going to say you of fell in love. During that scene at Guitar Center on Sunset, is that you feel like that was the moment you start to fall? Yes Definitely Guitar Center will always have the most special place in our because You know just one of those things where the second we. The, cameras and everything it was just us. When we were playing Calvin love by Elvis on the piano it. It was just such a moving moment as stupid as that sounds, but the feeling was just incredible in something I've never experienced before, and there's no denying the bats the moment when I started to fall in love with him in. And Him as well with me. What was it initially about Chris that stood out to you? Chris has the most genuine opened energy that I've ever seen anyone like when we first met you know He. He just came right up to me. in a very non aggressive way. An introduced himself in Kinda like backed off because there were other guys talking to me, and then like the night progressed He. I just noticed that when he would walk into real, things will get brighter people kind of flock toward him, and he could just bring out. The best people would start to sing music that really united all those open energy that he gives off very genuine in this episode. We see that you say I love you to him. For the first time in front of a live audience on stage, and it just slipped out. How did You feel what? That just popped out of your mouth. Ardsley I feel like stupid schoolgirl. That's like so giddy lie. It was ridiculous but again. It was natural. Everything's spent so naturally him so. Usually when I perform, you know family come, that supports means I, have that like that comfort, but being on stage with him He's the only comfort that I had because we didn't know anyone wanted. It was really it was a law, and so for me to naturally hug him after his dad love you. There's no foresee. Nine inches showed me how. How million I am to give him my heart, and to feel like I can trust him in. This is a big moment for you. Because as we learned early on the season, it's been a story line throughout What the the moments that I think most affected everybody that's watching this show. Is You admitted and kind of open up about being previously engaged, and during whatever remember I when you picked out your wedding dress, your fiance at the time had called you and said Hey This is over I know when Jessica are watching this we but with no, we just recently got engaged. We were watching this. Ingest like her mouth was on the floor like I just hurting for you? Yeah That experience was really difficult, just because You know it was very traumatic for me. Just because I had physically picked out the dress, it wasn't. It was making it real. You know not I mean of until when you're wearing. Even Vision Your Dad there, your mom and it. Just kind of becomes very is brought to life and sell To have that, Canada's taken from you. It caused a lot of You know deep pain, and so it's been hard. To Trust again because I never expected him to do that, so you know when you get the next relationship, you're like well. I hope you don't do this, but I never expected this to do. so with with Christy, not suspend. Very natural I haven't had the same kinds of fears that I've always had and. I know that he would ever do anything like that, so then has been talking throughout the season about how he can't relate to the impetus, the intimacy of writing songs and performing songs together. Can you enlighten US non musicians how that feels? Yes, first of all with archetypes, center day and our free styling. Hardly knew each other. Like Berry okay, let's forget about it. It really was so bad, but We. Didn't we just met? Ends were like trying to figure out our musical chemistry on has really sung together, but honestly it comes very quickly and easy, when you just both put yourself out your vulnerable It's a really amazing process when you both do that because you get to places that you never would have gone through words, because music brings other element that you know no one can deny like it's music is very truthful and so it really brought together way. I feel like we've skipped ahead a year in our relationship. You know what I mean at this point because Because Music is does that I? Actually is right in a lot of this show. I'm watching now. From a perspective of Hey I can't relate at all. Except for the pursuit of love, peace you singing in front of people would make me have hives are. Made me. Have Highs little. What was it about going on? Listen to your heart that you're interested in. It was at Love A, or was it to increase your musical kind of exposure which would be fair to? You know it was definitely. Both because enemies naturally were always trying to be like you know what's next. What further our careers of great opportunity? Why wouldn't I do it? But I wasn't going to go into it if I wasn't truly open to finding love. I can't say I totally believed in it I didn't think that it would happen to someone like me. But you know when I was decided I was just like you literally nothing to lose and music or everything you've ever wanted idiot not to. It's obviously I'm very thankful that I have with my gut and and was it. Next week. We see that you guys bring the show on the road and you'll be. You'll be sharing a tour bus with Chris does that change? How does that change? The couples because I feel like given that more private time that quality time you guys are going to learn more about each other, and you're the dynamic of living together. Yeah, I'm really excited for that. Because you know, they always say like. Go on a road trip with whatever you're interested. Do this do that, so it's. It's definitely next big step and then just getting that one on one time is something that we haven't had a lot of because. We're in a house with a lot of people, so I'm just really excited for at. TO FOCUS ON US The this all kind of summarize here at the end with. Hopefully a great love story and also a great opportunity to further your music career. Looking back at it all. Was it worth it. You have to give any sense any ideas of what this, but just for you sitting where you're at now. Was this worth it? Definitely I. I would never want to go back to the life that I had before I wanted all to be what it is right now, and yes, it was a thousand times worth it. You N. Chris seemed to be unbreakable at this point in the competition, and I'm going to assume right now that if you don't win the show, you're still together. Am I right? Guess little happens. Bree okay, so we've talked a lot about US love story. It's great were huge fans of it. It's keeping me going during the show, but can we just take a second? And what was it like being in the House with the drama that ensued this week between Brandon and Savannah shared in and Julia was it. Was it as wild as it seems? Yes the drama is definitely as wild as a seems on as much as. You try to stay out of it There's an energy there and me and him are both big feelers. We feel for people, so it's been really heavy, and definitely you know you take stress into relationship performances, and you hope that you can just do your best, because we all kind of are a family living together, so yeah, it's challenging, but it's definitely there. Are will can't fake it. Thank you so much joining us today. We're rooting for you and Chris in real life and on the show. That's right. Thank you. Thank you. You guys are great. Have a great day. All right guys, so we got one email about the Matt Dreams Verse Clare Drama that. 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81: Epilogue to Volume 6: Reconstruction and The Indian Wars

History That Doesn't Suck

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81: Epilogue to Volume 6: Reconstruction and The Indian Wars

"Hello my friends. And welcome to an epilogue of history. That doesn't suck. I am your professor. Greg jackson and joined by the one and only c cells are hey everyone so it's time it's time to wrap up reconstruction and the indian worse. Yes yes it is that that was a dense few episodes it was dense. And you know we tried to give the good broad overview and tell the stories that needed telling and get the facts out there that needed to get out there but was a lot to fit into seven episodes. It was pretty heavy stuff. Yes and he will get all that we will also get to see all your your departing. That's right but we'll save that your station for the very end. We'll say that for the very end because twenty twenty year of everything ending. So josh leaves. You're gone it's all good okay. But we'll get to that first off the usual let's do corrections. And then into the steph. We got wrong and then we'll get into digesting reconstruction and indian wars Still at all right. So we've got two little pronunciations to bring up. We're actually harkening all the way back to the civil war here. Yeah all the way back. I mean it really. Wasn't that long ago. I suppose on the podcast is a pretty long time ago. Let in a literal sense short so in fifty one we talked about. And how can i mispronounce it. We talked about equia creek. I hope i said it right this time. Nope it's a choir there it is. There's i pry said at the same way. I sat on episode fifty one. Yeah but we were corrected by christine from virginia. So thank you christine. Yes yes much much. Appreciated do like to pronounce things the way that the locals pronounce it and we go to great lengths for that but you know sometimes we just can't yes. Sometimes we fail so so it is whatever way we said it. It's actually acquire. Yes it's the way c. l. Says it don't listen to the way we see elle's so similarly still in virginia. I believe i said more of a l'oeil kind of deeper you are and Christine informed us. that is more of a new sound. Blu ray right. So it's the lura valley again. I'm sure she set a better than me. Yeah roll with that. Well i mean. I haven't been to either place. So maybe i. I've said them wrong but thanks for the help christine. We appreciate it. Absolutely and this. I'm going to call a self imposed issue semi correction sure. I mean we didn't get it from a listener. You're the one who came up with so yeah. yeah There is some doubt in the episode on the battle of the little bighorn slash greasy grass. There is some doubt as to whether or not crazy horse actually said it is a good day to die right so i found that quote in a book. Yes that's dan craig. When you went to find some pronunciation help you found yes. So i was poking around on the eminent academic source. That is youtube sarcasm there. That's that's usually not. I don't go there. For academic stuff is a great place culturally. So i i will go there if i can't find a local who can help me with translation and I mean i gotta lot help actually hung up on that episode so Kisha we're going to get to you some more later but thank you again for sending me copious files right with with correct pronunciation but before she was able to get me the correct way to say hulkah- and my intonations never gonna be right but it is a. Hey yeah i. I was saying that wrong. Initially the lakota man. Who uploaded the video that i watched. He mentioned that. Hokey hey is sometimes mistranslated as it is a good day to die so when i hear that even though it was a very imminent historian who had written that or rather. It's not like he's alone but this eminent historian who had quoted crazy horse as saying. It's a good day died. It's quite possible that that historian was using a mistranslation. Yeah that's that's what. I'm wondering because ho ho ka hey is used multiple. He definitely said that the bow. There's no question the crazy said that. But it leads me to conclude chance that he didn't mean it is a good day to day. Yes and is it possible that he's still said that on top of it sure but it's dubious enough in my mind now that i would rather bring that to the table. Yeah absolutely And from there we go to not a correction not a correction yay. Just something really cool and fun that we learned from A listener jesse jesse in texas. And you go ahead. i've already been yacking. No so jesse. Let us know that he used to work as a funeral assistant and he knows and shared with us. We do not know that. Embalming in the united states became popular during the civil war is technology that had been around for a couple of decades before the civil war but it became popular in the us because they needed a way to get bodies home to their families without rotting. Which sounds anyway Pretty morbid but so we did a little more digging on this. Thank you jesse for bringing it attention and found a smithsonian magazine article that talks about how lincoln chose to be embalmed and he was the first president to be in but i do think jesse mentioned that in his. Oh yes he did chestnut yes. Jesse mentioned confirmed by smithsonian. Yeah we don't trust you jesse but we don't trust anyone. This is how research anytime tells us something. We then verify like four sources right. And then i mispronounced it. Yeah that's pretty much how it goes up face croissants yeah so the smithsonian magazine article did tell us this though did tell us that the lincoln's actually had willie their son involved in eighteen sixty two so that they could get his body home to illinois from washington dc So it just makes so much sense. I mean you're talking about a world of trains. That is the fastest mode of transportation. You're still days weeks potentially at well and then you're talking lack of refrigeration just so you know maybe if it's cold the body shows up in better shape but if it's hot if it's hot summer know what he did have some time point up memories of being able to visit lincoln's grave in illinois So the cemetery in which he's enterred actually has like the one of the vaults that his body moves around and number of times we detail that is one of them is kind of in the ground. Like there's big hill and they've dug into that hill intentionally to essentially make something of a colder space. It's definitely not refrigerator level but yet to protect it from huge swings in yeah so anyway. We learned that that is how Embalming came to be the accepted. American tradition that it cannot be started in the civil war. So thanks jesse. Yes so you know. God you're factoid on Maybe understanding american burial customs statistic tich better crazy the things that can be rooted in their right right. Not that they don't bomb and other places besides the united state yes of course but y- how it got started in the us it's interesting stuff. Alright well correction fun notes into look. Let's just say not as fun stuff. Let's just say the difficult meat of this episode. Yeah yeah or volume. Yes yes this this just as about it. This is one of the the darker harder periods of american history right. We've made it through the civil war. And you know for me. And i think probably a lot of listeners. I was really looking for a lighter. Note a happy ending and the civil war just doesn't get us that it really doesn't. The civil war leads right into difficult areas of reconstruction difficult continuation of indian wars And it's it's really it's hard stuff to know about so jeeze are few few different ways. We need to go about this on both breaking down reconstruction and anymore. We're going to start with a more complicated figure. I mean this is a complicated era in time. So we're going to our most complicated confederate question. That james ole pete long street. Yes and i think that his life story his life philosophies and the the actions and choices of his life really showed just how complicated reconstruction is because he is such a complicated person. Yeah so. I mean you've been through the episodes with us. Then you know. Well you're very familiar with our with our buddy old pete this confederate general. I mean the the old warhorse. As bobby lee lee affectionately referred to him. This man was a major confederate general. Yes and he. He was definitely raised in the south to believe in states' rights and he signed up to fight for the confederacy. That was very much a choice. it doesn't seem like it was as conflicted as choice as like a robert e lee had. He was pretty much all in well he he was definitely he. He was his. Patriotism was rooted in part within the concept of states' rights. And i think not that we want to rehash the civil war any means but that's part of understand the complexities of some of the demand. Who were going to war for the confederacy especially at the beginning of the war. When it's you haven't gone to the draft yet on both sides and things haven't dragged out and he's in a corner of the south where yes there's strong tradition of states rights and so it becomes a very clear path. I guess you could say yeah. Yeah so he fights through the war but then after the war he's granted a pardon and he does he has a major shift in thinking. Yeah i'm he's he becomes a radical republican. Yeah not just a republican. A radical republican. And you were saying earlier. Greg that you really think that shows genuine conversion. Yeah i mean. This isn't somebody who is looking around and at least in my mind okay. That's the this is my own analysis here but you. You don't go one hundred eighty degrees if it's just an attempt to assuage the powers that be so the radical republican Portion of congress is starting to get its way on reconstruction. Well i mean. He's down here in the south. He's losing points by getting on board with with the radical republican. Oh he's losing a lot of points he's not just losing points he's losing friends. I mean there are a lot of societies that are set up daughters of the confederacy and whatnot. And he is. He's not invited to their parties up. he's not invited to publish a memoir or published a book the way that so many other confederate leaders are in confederate generals are He's side of the story really gets get sidelined really Because it's not popular. It's not popular with ex confederates. In so that for me is where i look at it and i feel like that's that's a pre genuine thing you don't you know that there was nothing really. Yes okay he. He gets employment because he doesn't up working for the for the the government. Yeah source he gets a job out of becoming a republicans. i mean. sure if you want to be super cynical. I guess you can. You can lean on that but there are other ways to make a living there are and there are plenty of people You know carpetbaggers and scalawags. Who were definitely just doing it for the job. Yeah but i think that old pete's actions show that he was very much all in this very genuine. I think his actions at the battle of liberty place in eighteen seventy four. Really show that he you know he's. He's putting his life on the line for his new ideals so i think it's worth thinking about and looking at him partly because he drops out he drops out narrative he has i mean he's not a republican loyalist from day one. Yeah he's no thaddeus stevens right. Yeah who's always been so principled and you know he's no charles sumner when not to say that Old p is not imply that he's the opposite of fatty stevens internal lacking principles but just the republicans aren't gonna look to a johnny come lately now. Who is a confederate who had received a pardon from the federal government because he was a confederate general riley. Anyone who's involved at this level if they ever want to vote again even the they had to receive a pardon right so in they were playing those given. But yeah this is this. Isn't someone died. You see the civil war veterans that the union lining up to pat on the back. Plenty of these men are still going to see him. As the person who indirectly is responsible for their brother being dad or whatever the case may be right right who fought against them on the battlefield and because there are so many readily available nicely packaged republicans. Heroes james long street just doesn't fit that. He's more complicated than that. Meanwhile he's become honestly the the bane of southern society Yeah a he does not. He basically tanks his reputation though. He's he's seen by by his peers. Yes yeah by his south. His ex compatriots. Yeah yeah So i think that that brings us to a really interesting overarching point about will the reconstruction era but then about he gets left behind by history so we see that he hasn't he hasn't cleanly fit into one side or the other into a good guy or bad guy or into democrat or republican yet. Good guy bad guy depend on which side you're on right. So for the the union he's always tainted as having quote unquote the bad guy or union. You re republicans northerners whichever yeah term. You ever of the complicated. Yeah meanwhile you know. He's he's seen as a traitor. Who has left the good side. In the eyes of southerners the former confederates. He's he so he slips into the cracks there and hop. But i really like studying him. I like thinking about him. it brings to mind this quote. I came across long long ago back back as a grad student. Okay as long as a pretty long time. I'll make peace with that. But david cannon a professor of history at at at princeton he said the older i get the more. I'm convinced that it's the purpose of politicians and journalists to say the world is very simple whereas it's the purpose of historians to say no. It's very complicated. And hey nothing but love your cousin who works at whatever newspaper alright. You're okay or auditions who are listening. But it you know. Historians we live in a world where it's our job to get into the nitty gritty and and we we have that luxury. I guess the benefit of hindsight of distance and in a world of papers turnaround fast People wanting you to play a side in in politics. Yes you can see where that's part of what i enjoy about the quote. You can see where the dynamics actually press us to have these very simple two-dimensional answers In our present yet when in reality it's a much more complicated three dimensional problem or person. Yup yeah but that that doesn't work in a two hundred forty characters tweet now now. It doesn't so all right. Well i want to get into the parties themselves. Look at how republicans and democrats have rian. Well maybe reinvent is a strong word but where they're at as we get into reconstruction but we'll take a quick break before we do that. Lets you charge your energy your whatever. Yeah perfect being professor podcast her parent and wearing a few other hats. My life moves it pretty fast pace then. The dumpster fire that is twenty twenty came along and sometimes the healthy stress. I rely on to push me became a bit too much. 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Let's look at the platforms of the republican democratic party during reconstruction because in this era they have pretty distinct platforms. That's not always the case in history but enlists era it really is yes so Well it's worth remembering that. Of course we've got the radical republicans at the republicans themselves have their they have wings just have their wings but overall you know republicans they. They want control while everyone wants to control reconstruction i suppose. Okay yeah. They want control reconstruction at a federal level. Yes yes so. In in within that radical republicans are pushing very hard for black equality. Yes so full on equality white. Black americans. Same civil rights here. We go moving forward and as a result because that is their main goal they are absolutely fine with a military occupation of former confederate states or any other measure that they say. This is our goal. And we're gonna get to it. They are fine with that. Yeah we see the difference in that perspective with andrew johnson. When he's president you might remember the conversation in. It's it's a painful conversation. The one he's having with frederick douglass that yeah phase right yeah That was a really uncomfortable. Chat and in it. Andrew says andy tennessee taylor and a he he makes his point of. Ta- frederick is that it would be wrong in his mind to force a state to have civil rights for black americans. It's that seems crazy to us in the twenty first century in his mind at least as he's presenting it that is Him respecting the democratic process within that state. Yeah that would be the democratic view at this juncture. yeah that's the democratic party's view so they are very much At they would like to have reconstruction happen on a state level so you know occupation of estate by the. Us army seems like a real bad idea. Seems like a real threat to federally. And that's where they start to come up with the term home rule home rule. Yes yeah so home rule then leads to more. We see that home rule is quickly translating to those in power wind to reestablish essentially status quo from before the war exact so okay. Slavery is gone in language. Andrew johns even down with the thirteenth amendment. He didn't put up any qualms about that but he certainly had qualms about real structural changes to society right about you know then enforcing not and really actually enforcing it. And so that's where you come up with which we discussed in our reconstruction episodes like the mississippi plan. Where states figure out. How are we going to restore the status quo antebellum. yes right. The what how it was before the war. And so that's where you come up with the kkk. The white league these very militant basically militant arms most historians would agree that there militant arms of the democratic party. That point was made by. I mean we pour over both the primary sources as we write these episodes and the secondary sources so in history talk we'd call that the historian graffiti. This is what other historians have said. And you know that that changes over time of course shore so a historian who really knows their stuff they could even tell you for instance. The historiographer of reconstruction is that it had a far more basically lost cause banned up until frankly about civil rights era so beyond a little bit. Yeah so the dominant narrative was really the big bad federal government. That was over domineering and pushing around the states. And it by about you know into the seventies eighties as we came out of civil rights and on more and more historians have gone will wait a minute were. We're actually were looking at a federal government that's looking to out civil rights to all of its citizens right in that it's fighting against you know k. K we've got a white supremacist group. That is killing people and we. We'd call that terrorism and right in present harlan's and so as that's come more and more to the four. That's what the historic has gone. Point being we pour over all this stuff. And i can't think of a present historic historian. That really disagrees No no there really isn't so yeah. Most present historians here in the twenty first century would say that what the kkk in the white league were The militant wing the more radical wing of the democratic party there to use military means to impose what they're calling self Your home rule right right anti get rid of and to fight against the republican agenda of equality for white and black americans. Yes which again they are seen as being imposed in a Unconstitutional manner right by the federal government through the use of military might right but even backing up a step from that. That militarized wing. Then you've got court decisions that take a look at the thirteenth. Fourteenth and fifteenth amendments. Say you know. There's another way for us to take teeth out of these for us to block this radical republican agenda bright and they make court decision after court. Decision leading you know across the eighteen seventies eighteen eighties eighteen ninety s that really Y- again take the teeth out. Yeah just punctures. Essentially i mean if it'd be like if you had a cantinas supposed to hold water right in each of these little court. Decisions are kind of pin holes in it and you let that continue for two three decades. And that's where you we mentioned this in the last reconstruction episode that. Yeah we kinda tend to look at the election of Rutherford hayes is president's kind kinda like the end of reconstruction that's just because again were two-dimensional human beings and we love clean wheel of cleaning so we can be like yep this reconstruction put it in a box. Call a good but in truth know it's not as though reconstruction is dead in the in the moment of that election there are still lingering black legislators and activists and yes civil rights workers who are out there working but they disappear there. Eminent figures will get to them later. Yeah and we're going to get to be wells and all of those people. Who are you know. They are there they are. They're very visible. They're very active fighting for black rights. But these court decisions that take all of the power out of the fourteenth amendment all of the power out of the thirteenth amendment. The really allowed jim crow to become that the legal status of the day. Yeah and and that's why. I've i remember always thinking well. Not they understand. Civil rights movement but when you read the thirteenth fourteenth fifteenth amendment just taking it on surface e kind of scratch your head and think like how did this not work right out the gate right. So you know it's these court rulings and of course it's being a survey we won't get every single one of them would definitely you're going to hear about those down the road. So you'll plus vif. Ferguson is probably the most famous yeah. That's the most well known. And that's not even till eighteen ninety six precisely so we still have reconstruction getting slowly torn apart. Uh-huh bit yeah across the second half of the eighteenth of the eighteen hundreds but that is why the legislation of the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties was necessary. Was because you had to give the power back to these amendments that the court decisions taken away because those court decisions they set precedents and then those precedents are used for future. Rulings needed laws. That would then change the way. That a court that that a judge. If they're doing the job right they're gonna look at the way. Presidents have been decided previously. At least this actually starts to get into some discussion about why judges do and sarno Certainly there there are some instances where were judges have said no. This was decided in correctly the first time around. And then that sets different precedent. Anyhow i mean this this is a whole nother bag to get into and and we'll get to all the stuff but when congress writes the bill and it becomes a law that liberates. You could say Judges who would be held felt held by a previous president to be able to really say okay this. We've had a real rule change now. We can interpret in different way. Exactly yeah all right. He thinks we're going to say on that that's it. I think that that's what we needed to cover for reconstruction. Yeah amber obviously going to get into these these episodes more later but now you can get ahead of ourselves now. We'll leave it there for now. We don't wanna give away too much. The story all right so we'll take just one more one more break here and then we'll hit anymore. Perfect and welcome back so indian wars. Yeah now what we covered for. This section was really indian wars in western america for a few decades and obviously in our first episode. We did fairly quick and broad overview of the multiple indian wars that have been happening since the beginning of united states. history yes but then we kind of zoomed in on western america. Right and part of the i mean his challenge doing this survey of us. History really is. It is not easy fitting in all the things in a narrative fashion not just in a single episode but in terms of trying to think about that. How does this whole narrative work over. All i mean we for instance. The the us dakota war we thought about making that episode a year ago yeah but ultimately decided it was just gonna be too jarring To insert something. That kind of feels off topic almost amidst the civil war the civil wars already good grief so many episode it was guards yes and so we decided you know we're just gonna will circle back to this. We're gonna leave it on the shelf for a minute. And then we do a series of indian episodes which apparently decided to do with reconstruction and perhaps just depress a whole lot of people. We're sorry that we took twenty twenty even further further down for any of you who are already having a tough year. Yeah yeah i mean you know but we go through your sister Survey yeah you can't skip it now. Yeah is it's uncomfortable or unhappy or would make us That in my mind would be a unethical. Schorr so sure We got cover it And anyhow so we put it together. Because i mean just like if you're reading a textbook Units are organized in a certain way to make the most sense. So yes we. We put them together. And we've definitely overlapped on time period. Yeah i do think though that there was some value to being able to talk about the us to war and being able to for instance. Where lincoln makes you an ominous large decision to be able to put into context. I'm assuming that for many of you listening to be like right. Yeah i know at lincoln was going through at the time. We can mention the names of some big battles and generals really passing but give some context right. Yes so you're seeing what's happening in other parts of the country is no spill. The plane to that are. I am sorry nerd it out a little too much on. That's okay all right. Let's just dive into you a little bit more on The indian wars themselves. So we've talked to you. I mean we've had several different historians and talked to Members of different native american tribes. And just some overarching. Themes that have come up is What one historian. He's a canadian. Historian actually anton true. A and he he makes the point that reading and learning about indian words can be pretty brutal not can be is. Yeah pretty brutal. It's pretty difficult things to talk about and to learn about And he says that the one silver lining that he finds is not that The indian wars happened bet that the tribes and so many of the tribes have found ways to survive and keep their cultural traditions alive to the twenty first century through the brutality. That happened to them. You one of the interesting things. So i'm going to go ahead and mention a kisha. She's become a good friend in and was process and thanks again. I actually did mentioned earlier in the episode but kisha little bear a mess out the second half her last name but keep a little bear. Set your own she she's northern shan and has been listened for quite a while and so We exchanged a few messages. And i knew as i was getting to the battle of the big horn want some perspective and write a lot of help with pronunciation so that was enormously useful but i was Well a little surprised. I guess When she told me that in traveling at times when keys's mission that she's northern cheyenne business. You know Native american that she's met a number of people who who are shocked that she is an indigenous person because they didn't realize they were indigenous people today. Yes and i'm obviously we're all to some degree. The reflection of our we grow up in our experiences. So i personally found that kind of a weird for me. I mean i guess just growing up in west of right on both. Greg and i grew up in the west and so we have known a lot of native americans. have traveled through and into native indian reservations. That was not a surprise. What was the surprise was the kisha said. Please make sure that people know we're still here. Yeah so hey. I'm i am happy to ceiling are happy to if you weren't aware of that let's go ahead and set the record straight on that quiches a person that feels actually a little more ominous to say after covering standing bearing bears trial right. Yeah yes indeed a person in here and you know still here today right Right along with fat. You know as as we were working on getting to that episode now talking about standing bear within that we also had the nez pierce and chief joseph in. Yeah how was i mean. If that's another heartbreaking tale Forty miles shy of the canadian border. Yeah but The flag for the nez pierce nation. Which again is the thing. It exists today Yeah absolutely so. This flag still exists for the nez perce nation today shows so many things about their heritage in about who they are today and where they've come from. Yes so it's has the shape of the reservation you might have might recall me describing it at one point kind of elongated You five sided. A scholar. can't remember which one it was but One of them described as being almost coffin shaped that kind of works and the in the middle of the flag is an image of chief joseph and around him a circle and it says nez pierce tribe treaty of eighteen fifty five right so i mean this flag. Here's here's this flag by which they represent themselves you can see how so much of their memory and thoughts are focused on this particular moment in time right yet that they were they were a peaceful people who had made a treaty and they were sticking to it And they are still. They're still telling that story will end. Vat eighteen fifty-five treaty as you know maybe some people remember it's so seared into our heads right whoring over the material and writings episodes old joseph chief justice father he. When signed that. now it. you know the you've got the eighteen five treaty their ribs on a flag but it still does even speak to an agreement that was made by the whole tribe jazz. Just part right. yeah. I remember Reading old joseph reactions to the treaty. Like you can't just partition land. You can't sell land nor could you sell air. Which of course in twentieth century america of course you can sell her airspace. That's the thing we discuss all the time right drones that's an issue But we'll see that's an american concept not an indigenous concept and it's it's a. It's a very clash. It's a moment where where you have very serious clash of concepts of yes very values of cultures that there really just isn't middle ground there. There's very little compromise and yet the treaty is a good example Thou was quite interesting to me to see as well as poring over. A lot of the stuff with there is often. You'll kind of this powder. We laid it out at the end of the last episode of initially a few explorers seller show up in. We have this phase where there's plenty of coexistence and it's fine. Yep and for me again. This is just my take but something kind of clicked was thinking on right for for a lot of these indigenous peoples and i'm also taking the i'm extrapolating from some context of things that i read them. Sane in these treaty. Negotiations va they had The land isn't something that they would ever say to to. A new derived arrived explore. You can't be there because that's hours. The they're more caretakers of the land. I believe is the right term right. Yeah there are many tribes. That really are like all right. We're sharing right. Yeah and so you know they are very much coexisting and so the animals and the other people land and so that philosophy when you think a treaty this as no here stark lines. And you don't cross this line. We don't cross this line. Yeah it you can see where a lot's gonna get. You've misunderstood. yeah well. And then of course we get past the the misunderstood and just into the i mean just the the outright lies round. Yeah yeah you know. I think that brings us to an interesting point that A modern historian has brought up and when she said that she was not speaking about native american history. But i think it applies here at. And i think it's interesting. She said This is sally wagner. She said history isn't what happened. It's who tells the story. And i think that with an indian wars. We've only heard one side of the story for a long time That's been very traditional. I mean at least when i was in grade school. You know i didn't know that. The battle of the little bighorn was also called the battle of the greasy grass. I knew that the battle of the little bighorn was also called. Custer's last stand because i learned one side of the story right told by one group and Perhaps don't you don't hear about how custer plays it fascinating precipitating role in that. He's the one who is exploring in the black hills right. I mean that is yeah. He's the one he's expedition is the one that's discovering gold in the black hills. That's creating the whole problem began off the he would know exactly what that's gonna lead to for himself now but i mean that that's the fuller picture and i. I think that fuller is the right word. Often people get a little little afraid when we start getting into history that's uncomfortable. We retreat to corners. And we want to go back to that two-dimensional concept we want good guy bad guy and you know there were better served to go with and statements instead of or statements. Not this is the story of this battle or of american history. Or it's you know. America was always getting a right or america's always got it wrong. There's there are and there are moments where you know. The story looks different from a different perspective right and it's okay to tell her side of the story. What a terrifying battle that would have been. How terrifying would have been die on that hill. Even the the lakota cheyenne and arapaho men. Some of them are saying how. Sorry they're feeling for custer's men right like yes and you know there is certainly pause and think like what about some of these guys were. We mentioned In an italian recruit these guys. Some of them are green is can be. That's actually part of the problem. They've just enlisted. they're just trying to pay bills. Perhaps you know yeah. So they haven't been involved in this whole fight but they don't realize what their predecessors have already done right. It's been so the z. Step into this What's the word. I'm looking for mass. And so yeah. I mean it doesn't take away from the the sadness of of inhuman death but wow i mean when you have the context good grief. I get where the lakota and cheyenne and You know the arapaho common from yet and it doesn't take away from custer's side of the story to tell their side of the story to hear both sides. Were really good at doing that. I think in the civil war. I think we're really good at doing that. We're really good at embracing. Hey this battle was called something else by the confederates this battle. There's two sides to the story that confederate said it this way. The union soldiers said it. This way. we're going to tell both we're going to bow stories. Live a think that that's an important lesson that can we can apply to the indian wars as well. Well yeah and and we did our best to do that. But we try to point out some of the generals who are really conflicted yet. It's There are definitely some bad settlers. I think that's absolutely question. I mean we're we're reading about sellers that that murder or rape or steal cattle without provocation. So that's all three yes. Yeah but then. We've we've also got the john gibbon types who i quoted him a number of times this. This guy is not comfortable with. What's going on now. So you can see kind of the wheels turning in in his head and trying to you know trying to make decisions based on orders that he's given versus what he saying on the ground. These are tough decisions and you can see. Sometimes he's thinking okay. Well how can i fight against this. And get what's best for these indigenous peoples that i know and i'm trying to work with jeff and also follow my bosses back in dc. Who are right in my paycheck. Well and then you get to this uncomfortable. Place where there I'm thinking specifically of evolve. Howard you know. His being nice has now gotten him dubbed as a quote unquote indian lover. So there's actually negative connotation right for him following his conscience at junctures right so that creates a negative loop right well and then. You've got the the george crooks who the indigenous peoples call three stars. Gus and george crook has followed orders a lot and then he's watched the outcomes and he's tired of it. He's tired of being this brutal person who forces native americans on reservations with little to no supplies little to no food not enough space and watching what happens watching the death and disease and i will also say you know the fact that he was well respected by timely sweeter to to omaha. He's he's well respected and a number of indigenous peoples from different nations. They feel that they can trust him. Donald so speaks to him managing to find some sort of higher road that clearly a number of most of his colleagues are not finding right right. Yeah but by the time we we met him yeah. Eighteen seventy four. Don't quote me on that year. Eighteen seventies concierge. The secret of good. History is always back off on your insurance. We met him in the eighteen seventies. But by the time we've met him he is determined to find a legal way to follow his orders and help standing bear. That's we end up with that trial and you know george kirk allows himself to go on trial because he is well. This is the system we're to use and we're going to use this system to someone else's advantage so standing bear sumi bats. That's how they play it. yeah And you know as that's going on. I i just have to throw this end because it sat with me and i kind of wish had pointed this out in the episode sticking with that but shifting back over to john gibbon with peers. And you remember me saying this already. Seattle but the quote that i shared right before the big hole. Which that is one of the most atrocious battles in my estimation I mean th this battle. The and i've got this quote before going to the bowel from john gibbon and he. I mentioned these speaking to a bishop and he starts his quote with you knowing our gentle disposition. Something to that effect basically. Hey you know who wouldn't go guys. We are right so you can imagine how hard it was for us to here. This village of babies crying and you know the any of it. He's talking to a bishop. And so i. I don't be later this episode. But i mean clearly this is a guy who's he's looking for absolution. This man wracked with guilt. Right he's bothered by his struggle to follow orders and onto decency. Yeah and. I think that any soldier who has gone to war a difficult place like that and i think that there are probably a lot of soldiers and america. In the twenty first century could relate to john kevin and the difficulty of what they've seen what they've seen other soldiers do maybe even things. They've participated in right that it's like wow. This is really hard for me to swallow that. I was following orders and this is what ended up happening. Definitely take your point. I do I don't think you mean that like all. Us soldiers commit a trust make and hut right but do think that a lot of soldiers see some fruity brutal things. When you're following orders. I say this as someone who has not been in uniform so i'm not gonna even pretend i can grasp what but well both of my grandfathers served world war. Two and one of them was on the front lines of italy and is our understanding from from why he passed on that i mean he he did actually disobey orders a time or two when he was at least one instance he was. He was told to shoot a german there in italy. But yeah yeah yeah German had stepped on one of their on minds. German shoe mine. Oh and the guy was yelling for help to the americans. He's desperate this point resolutely and my grandfather's commanding officer said i you need to shoot him. We need him. He screaming is going to give away his our position. And we're all gonna be dead like i mean. Think about the situation there right like if there is no win win. No no and i guess my my grandpa of course family traditions. So you kind of wonder about how things might not trying to take away from my grandfather year but historian i always have to be like all right but what really happened. But he handed hod or he just he wasn't quick on it and So the commanding officer just went to the next soldier and said you do it. And in that moment It was actually enough time for the german to see what was going on. I think my if i remember at grant started point his rifle and then then maybe a hindu it and it was just enough time for the german to scurry behind a tree or a rock and he shut the hell up from that. And it's haunted. I know that story because it's haunted my grandfather yet. While i mean he's passed now by a haunted him. The rest is life wondering what happened to that german. Yeah yeah the way that. John gibbon is haunted by the things he's seen the he sees other soldiers do in following orders right brutal thing. I don't believe just knowing. John gibbon as i do from the sources. I don't believe for second that he was someone who was executing civilians Doing that sort of thing but he clearly he was at the battle. Yes all that stuff. And i think that yeah. I think a haunted him. Yeah and you know. I think that brings up a really good point. That many of the soldiers obviously not all of them like the guys at the battle of the little acorn with a customer but many of these guys are civil. War hardened soldiers yes. They have seen combat definitely croak phil sheridan the they have invented and then enforced total warfare. And you know the thing is is when we talk about the civil war these are guys who were fighting for the union which we in the twenty first century have dubbed the winners back to our two dimensions yep at therefore the things they did. The civil war were justified and it was fine. So when we talk about them going through the shenandoah valley and literally picking it clean not caring or not you know being told not to care about. The civilians were left behind to starve which happened which absolutely happened. You know we look at that and say well yes but it was needed because we needed to win the civil war but those are the same things that are happening out west because this is the warfare that these men have learned they are. They're comfortable waging war on civilians they have learned to do it and those lessons. I have a hard time leaving so a lot of the soldiers. You wonder why. Why didn't everybody disobey orders while they knew how to do it right. I mean th. They've learned that this is how war works. Yes yes they have experienced and they know. This is how you win a war. Yeah i mean phil phil sheridan. Yeah excellent at that very at that very process and hey i guess this is kind of the last major thing to really bring home. Is that when it comes to history for doing good in history which We try to hear really tried to we. That's our goal literally lose sleep over it. You do not. It's not a fairy tale. You don't get if you're looking for good guys and bad guys. You will be disappointed pretty much every time. Yeah I i even i kind of think. Back depp's odin within the first five minutes. I think it was right. I make this point. About how george washington put on a pedestal by some people right. Some people want him on. And then that leads others to overreact. They want him off that pedestal. And i think that applies to all us history. It applies all history. All people's every individual right. So you know phil sheridan yes great hero on the right side as we term it today of the civil war but he says the only good indian. He's alleged to have said. The only good indian i've ever met was the dead one. Yeah right so. And if he didn't say those exact words the same thought them he. He did You know the these are the more complicated complex people that get into phil. Sheridan is also a great advocate for black americans. Yes wise. He an advocate for black americans but not for indigenous americans. This is reality. This is the complexity of history of people. What you know. Prejudices have been have been introduced to what extent. Yeah these are three dimensional figures. They have shiny nightside's yeah they have really dark sites just like all of us. Yeah so i mean. I am not making an argument for moral relativism here. But you know the good guys do bad things. The bad the bad guys do good things Sometimes good things are done for the wrong motivations and you know vice versa. Wrong things are done ulysses grant with his peace policy. That is a very good man who has very noble ambitions and his peace policy towards the indigenous. Population is It's it's not it's not working. Yes yeah it is. It's it's unworkable right. He can't enforce it and it doesn't enforced. I frankly i i love grant. The he's one of these people that the more i learn about him for the part you know the more i think of him. My esteem increases You know but he's human being he's gonna make wrong decisions. Yeah do and those have huge ramifications. Absolutely do so. Yeah i it's just it's important to tell the whole story about any person and and if we can not expect perfection more historical figures we can realize that their lies are as complicated and difficult as ours Yano and include those and statements like you were saying earlier. Don't jump to the or statements jumped to the and statements phil sheridan. Did this good thing and this bad thing quote unquote. Yeah yeah well. I don't know if there's a better not wrap up then on that Yeah i mean. He's a really hard subjects honestly. It's it's the sort of thing where i wish all of you could be a classroom with me. And we can have an actual discussion It's one of the one of the frustrations of it. All being you know over a mike and so one dimensional earth not wanna mention one directional right But i hope that you've gotten a lot of good information and and things for for you to think about and be able to discuss right. How well making very radical shift. In topic seattle your. I'm leaving even i'm leaving. Hdd tedious this is my last episode. With h t s. it's There are a lot of exciting things happening in my life didn't make it palatable to leave But it is it's hard. It's hard to acknowledge so For the past year and a half. I've been getting a master's in academic advising and all graduate This coming august and in the meantime i have re. I've accepted a position as an economic advisor. Actually at the same university. Where craig works so. I think our paths will still cross occasionally. Well yeah. we'll still see. I'm going to miss working with you on this though and i'm gonna miss working with you on this. I mean i'm. I'm excited to launch a new part of my career. Absolutely and i'm excited for you as i told you from. It is kinda funny thinking about both you and josh and the like. I don't know you had a similar facial expression when you when you break me as news i. I'm happy. I'm so happy for josh. He is doing fantastic You know and i'm happy for you and obviously at. Yeah i i miss working with josh rates. Yeah we love lindsey and airship But it's not like josh disappeared. I i have seen the man if you times. You know and yeah. We'll bump into each other on campus and definitely. I'm going to have to figure out what epilogues look like. But yeah there won't be these conversations anymore. That will be different. No they won't. But i'm happy for you. I'm sure everyone listening for you. Thanks yes i guess that does it. I guess it does so for the last time. I'll say goodbye to everyone and i hope you keep Well i know you'll keep enjoying the podcast. Shucks while sale gehenna sinus soccer right. Join us so innocent. Two weeks where. 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64: Grant's Overland Campaign: The Battles of the Wilderness, Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, & Petersburg

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64: Grant's Overland Campaign: The Battles of the Wilderness, Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, & Petersburg

"History that doesn't suck as a biweekly podcast. Alenia legit seriously researched hard hitting survey of American history through entertaining stories. If you'd like to support each tedious or enjoy some perks like ad free early episodes for two dollars a month please consider giving APP Patriotic Dot, com forward slash history that doesn't suck. To, keep up with HDD s news, check us out on facebook twitter or instagram. Welcome to history that doesn't suck. I'm a Professor Greg Jackson and I'd like to tell you story. It's early in the morning may eleventh eighteen, sixty four. The confederacies most beloved Cavalryman General Jeb Stuart leads his three thousand or so men down Telegraph road. They're all that stands between Union General Philip Sheridan's over ten thousand strong cavalry and the capital of Richmond Virginia. Jabs outnumbered three to one. But he can't shirk this fight. The General I believe you love bullets. Private George freed says to JEB half joking half serious as they ride out to engage this far larger force. No freed JEB replies. I do not love bullets any better than you do I go where they are because it is my duty and I do not expect to survive this war. Shortly. After expressing that sambre, thought just shy of ten am Jeb comes to a halt at the yellow tavern. Food will be wedding there whistle. Here. The three stories Tall long-abandoned stagecoach stop hasn't seen business in years. The. Condition of this decaying mansion of gloom has only worsened throughout the war as soldiers have peeled off. It's playing sports and doors for use as firewood. It sits about half a mile south of where the Roads Telegraph and. Merged become the brook turnpike. Only six miles south on that very turnpike is the confederate capital. Jeb knows his union foe is coming down mountain road. It's in this synergy the confederate commander will make his stand. Union general. Philip Sheridan's far larger cavalry arrived shortly thereafter. The federal take hold of both sides of the Turnpike just above the yellow tavern. Jeb His men are just north of them holding both sides of. Telegraph. Road. Artillery riflefire firefly is blue and gray clad men charged across the grass and through small patches of trees to engage in hand to hand combat. Incredibly, the confederates hold. Around two PM JEB gets word from Richmond's defender General Braxton. Bragg that he has sufficient men to defend the city relieved the confederate cavalry commander begins to think he might even be able to take the offensive Braxton could send reinforcements. Little Does Jab. Know that Union General Philip Sheridan Sees Richmond Secondary Gold. Phillips real purpose is to put an end to the confederate cavalryman who makes union men shake in their boots. He's here to capture injure or kill JEB. Stuart. It's not long after this that union general George Armstrong custer spots a weakness in confederate lines. The Thin Moustachioed Union cavalry commander with flowing curly hair prepares to charge supported by artillery. Georgia's Michigan wolverines charge alcohol states license better. With their savers. JEB FEARLESSLY RIDES INTO THE ACTION Steady men steady give it to him. He yells out encouraging nearby K. Company while unloading his Whitney, revolved on. The Union cavalry charges repulsed mounted and on foot they fall back sitting atop his grey Steed Jeb unsheathes his sword in triumph and exclaims bully for all k give it two boys. And then. A forty four caliber ball explodes from a Union pistol. The official report credits private John a half of the fifth Michigan formerly of the second US sharpshooters although some historians will later express doubts. But regardless of who fired it the ball finds its mark it enters jabs, left hip rips through his stomach and exits his back one inch from the spine. Jeb Wheels in his saddle. His head lurches whipping around his thick Auburn Brown beard and ostrich plumed. Hat. The swashbuckling gray cloud general barely manages to stay mounted on his grey horse as Captain Gus. Dorsey. Dashes forward and grabs rains. I am shot Dorsey Save, your men. Jeb Ekes. Out. The heartbroken Captain Helps Jeb out of the saddle places against a tree, all the while ignoring his shot through generals, admonitions to forget about him and get back to the fight. The battle continues to rage is three of jobs. Men Place him on a horse and get him to the back lines where mule drawn ambulance can rush into a surgeon and hospital. Several jobs, officers and staff flocked to him as confederate surgeon Gallup's at full speed toward the ambulance. As. They try to plot a course for Richmond. Jesse's his soldiers retreating some have fallen back as far as his ambulance. Weak Pale and bleeding the general lifts himself and pleads with his weakened voice. Go back, go back and do your duty as i. have done mine and our country will be safe. Go back go back. I had rather die than be whipped. Jabs men will weep bitterly as word of his injury makes the rounds. The gravely injured commander looks to w q holon using his nickname for the staff officer Jeb asks. Honey Bun. How do I look in the face? General you're looking riot. Well, you will be alright. The hopeful officer. Response. Well. I don't know how this will turn out. But if his God's will that I shall die. I'm ready. The blood-soaked general returns. With the Union cavalry holding the Yellow Tavern the ambulance and its entourage can't take the Brook Turnpike and head to Richmond six miles to the south they're forced to travel circuitously crossing the chicken hominy river then swinging through at least station and Mechanicsville. Jeb Indoors acute pain as they roll over these bumpy roads. Several hours later and under the dark cover of night, the ambulance finally reaches the Richmond Home of Dr Charles Brewer. Charles isn't only a medical professional he and his wife Maria our jobs brother-in-law and sister-in-law. Maria Rea- Sister Flora is Jeff's wife the get Jeb inside where Charles and other doctors is the wound. That's as much as medical professionals of the day can do for shot to the stomach. Visitors come the next day. Jeb seems to improve as Heros von Borka arrives. This Prussian aristocrat crossed the Atlantic to fight for the confederacy in eighteen sixty two and has fought by judge side ever since. Jobs chief-of-staff Henry McClellan arrives soon thereafter. Jeb feels the end drawing near. He makes an impromptu last will and testament to Henry. Among jobs requests are the Andrew Venable. Receive his Great Horse Henry himself take his Brown horse. And that his young son Jimmy Inherit, his sword. CSI President Jefferson Davis comes to visit. Jeb tells the confederate executive exactly what he's told so many others that he's quote. Willing to die if God and my country think I have filled my destiny. AM I. Duty? Close quote. Seizures come and go as JEB hopes he'll live to see his wife Flora one last time. She's traveling to Richmond as fast as she can. Jeb Asks Dr Charles Brewer if he'll survive the night. In the kindest way possible Charles has to tell his bleeding out brother-in-law that's not likely. It's now seven PM, Reverend Joshua Peter Those present seeing jabs favourite hymn. Rock of ages. Tries he might. Jeb can't even sing at this point. I'm going fast now. He tells Charles. I'm resigned. God's will be done. The thirty one year old cavalry leading confederate general with unparallel panache draws his last breath at seven, thirty, eight, pm. May Twelfth eighteen sixty four. His wife and children arrive at around eleven thirty at night. Roughly, four hours too late to say, goodbye. She'll mourn him by wearing black every day until her own death more than half a century later in nineteen twenty-three. Jeff, Stewart's death at the battle of yellow tavern is the most painful lost the confederacy has suffered since the death of stonewall. Jackson in eighteen, sixty three. It is emblematic of terrible loss. Both sides will experience in eighteen, sixty four. While the Union won't be losing an equally iconic general in today's episode the casualty rate in the army of the Potomac will be outrageous as general ulysses grant his overland campaign. Will I see his promotion to Lieutenant General the First Lieutenant General of the US Army since George Washington? Then, we'll follow him on his piece of five part master plan. The has union armies campaigning against places like Alabama and the Shenandoah Valley all at once this campaign is risky. But unconditional surrender grant isn't one for backing down. So let's head back to March eighteen sixty four in join up with ulysses in Washington DC. rewind. On March eighth eighteen, sixty, four ulysses grant in his fourteen year. Old Son Fred Walk into one of the capital cities find hotels the Willard Hotel quietly approach the check in desk. The haughty clerk is used to serve in DC politically leat empower players. When he surveys ulysses worn out military issue coat scuffed boots and overall shabby appearance clerk figures. This man his son can be worth as notice. euless quietly asks the clerk for a room. The clerk replies that he only has a few rooms available sarcastically quipping that there's a war on and hotels pretty busy. You listen only nods refraining from telling the clerk that he probably knows a little more about the war than this pompous snob who went in a pistol from a rifle. Unassuming you list would never do that. The clerk offers you listen Fred Room on the top floor and tells them to sign in the general merely signs. US and son Galena Illinois. Oh. That gets the clerks. Attention. General. Grant. Why didn't you tell me who you were the humble hotel employees gasps. But before you list time to respond the quirk loudly announces to the entire hotel lobby that general grant has arrived and we'll be staying in parlor sweet number six. Trying to overcome his earlier faux PAS. The blustering clerk also hands ulysses a letter from President Lincoln. It's an invitation to a White House reception this evening. The next day ulysses goes to the white. House to be sworn in as the nation's first lieutenant generals since George Washington. Last month Congress passed a bill to recreate the position and president. Lincoln. Nominated his right hand man ulysses s grant. General tecumseh Sherman Ulysses bff wrote to him. Quote if you can continue as here to four to be yourself semple honest and unpretentious thing, you will enjoy through life the respect and love of friends and homage of millions of human beings. Close quote. That compliment from a friend must be bolstering ulysses as he now stands before the president, the entire cabinet and several onlookers as he takes an oath with the commencement of this new commission. After the swearing in ceremony ulysses read a simple four line statement in which he says. With the aid of the noble armies that Afa. So many. For our, common country. It will be my earnest endeavour not to disappoint your expectations. I feel the full weight of the responsibilities now devolving on me and no, they are met, it will be due to those armies. Right, after this humble speech, the Illinois rail splitter and unconditional surrender grant sit down and private to hash out a battle plan. Now Lincoln's been through his fair share of generals in the last three years and he's ready to close the revolving door of over promising under delivering military leaders. You List Lay remembers what Lincoln said in their first meeting. Quote. All he wanted or ever wanted was someone who would take the responsibility and act. Close quote. The president promises to stay out of the way and provide any necessary support. Nonetheless, Lincoln can't help pointing out what he thinks a good plan of attack might look like in Virginia. You list diplomatically shears the president that his idea might look good in theory, but it won't work in practice. To his credit we can accepts ulysses assessment and doesn't offer any more tactical ideas. The President listens to newly installed Lieutenant General Grant's plan with interest. In order to stretch the confederate armies to to breaking point ulysses wants to launch several simultaneous attacks. euless prove that he can use a country out of four as well as Lincoln as he explains that the Union Army's had quote. Acted independently and without concert like a Balky team, no to ever pulling together. Close quote you want to sit to attack Atlanta while the army of the Potomac moves against Robert e Lee in Richmond. To turn up the heat on the pressure cooker euless wants to Daniel banks to attack Mobile Alabama Fran Siegel to raid the Shenandoah Valley and Benjamin Butler to march toward Petersburg just south of Richmond. Lincoln loves this plan. It actually puts the unions numerical advantage over the confederacy to good use giving every federal army apart to play. The Illinois Rail Splitter sums up ulysses plan in a classic country style. Although twenty-first-century hunters can still appreciate it. If a man can't skin. He must hold a leg while someone else does. Nice. President Way to stay true to your roots. Lincoln and Ulysses waste no time putting this planet action. But the creation of lieutenant general position has caused a domino effect down the army chain of command. So they need to get everybody situated before they move forward. With you listen stalled as Lieutenant General of the entire US army. That's about five, hundred, thirty, thousand men. Our friend Henry old brains Haluk moves down to army chief of staff, a more administrative role that actually suits him quite well. To come to Sherman moves up to command. The, division. Of. The. Mississippi. This leaves ulysses free to take up his post with the army of the Potomac overseeing its current leader General George Meade. Basically Ulysses pulling eight George Little Mac McClellan. He'll command the army of the Potomac and oversee the operations of the entire US force. Only. Unlike little Mac Ulysses will actually pull it off. On March tenth the day after he's sworn in ulysses heads southwest from Washington city to Brandy Station where the army of the Potomac has been canceled the winter. That evening, he meets with the current commander of the army of the Potomac George Meade for the first time. The organizational shift could get well awkward but as the two men discuss strategy over cigars, euless grows respects unlike George. Yes. Yeah. George. Who We met in episode sixty has a temper and yes his men on affectionately call him old snapping turtle behind his back. But despite these flaws, euless won't be pink slipping George Anytime soon. Ulysses reports. He spoke so patriotically and unselfishly that even if I had had any intention of relieving him, I should have been inclined to change my mind after the Manley attitude he assumed in this frank interview. So the two men work out an arrangement where ulysses will issue abroad orders to the army of the Potomac George will see to the details of putting those orders into action. I know the sounds like the office episode where Jim and Michael Become co managers of the Thunder Mifflin Scranton branch. But don't worry. It's going to work out a little better than that. Anyway with the chain of command, all worked out ulysses is ready to put his multi-front plan into action. History that doesn't Sake is sponsored by Bomba's us. Baba's makes most comfortable socks in history of feet. They've literally rethought every little detail of the socks we wear to make them away more comfortable. 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Soldiers from four cores and the cavalry lift up their guns and wade through the waist deep water. Supply wagons carrying enough food and AMMO for this one, hundred, fifteen, thousand, strong army crossed the river on pontoon boats. You list gets more dressed up than usual for this momentous occasion wearing his dress uniform and polished boots reporters embedded within the army can tell the generals excited to be emotion. One asks. Sir. How long do you think it will take to reach Richmond? Usually, soft-spoken you list can't help give tongue in cheek reply. I will agree to be there in about four days there porter looks stunned but the general continues. That is If General Lee becomes pardoned to the arrangement but if he objects the triple undoubtedly be prolonged. The reporter laughs, but anyone listening to the exchange must figure that Bobby Lee plans to fiercely object to any union movements. That night, these federal troops camp, and a tangled force of old new growth trees just east of Chancellor's Ville known as the Wilderness. Yes. These guys have been here before many of them fought the battle chancellor's Ville just last year which I told you about an episode fifty nine and just like last year Bobby Lee and his fierce rebel fighters have no intention of leading the union troops advanced beyond these woods. But this is a terrible place to pitch a battle and not just because the woods are littered with skeletons in grave markers from the eighteen sixty, three fight. One North Carolina's soldiers scribes the scene. Quote. Imagine a great dismal forest containing the worst kind of thicket of second growth trees. So thick with small pine and Scrub, Oak Cedar Dogwood, and other growth common to the country that one could see barely ten paces. Close quote. Nonetheless. confederate. General Bobby Lee positions men in these woods to await their foe. On the afternoon of May fifth. Union troops advanced on the rebel lines which extend northwest to southeast through the thick woods, small clearings and narrow paths of the Wilderness. Though the confederate of Northern Virginia isn't a full-strength yet the battle begins in earnest. Rebel soldiers counterattack, and frustrate nearly every federal advance up and down the battle lines. The fight rages for hours as around seventy thousand blue clad soldiers exchanged fire with forty thousand gray butternut Klag man. By, nightfall neither side has gained any advantage only barely holding on to their own lines. Bobby Lee knows that James Old Pete Long streets men will arrive in the morning though. He orders his men to hunker down and prepare for battle dawn. But Ulysses wants to take the initiative not wait for bobby lead come to him. So a May sixth, he orders a five am attack on the southeast section of the confederate lines. Union General Winfield Scott Hancock opens fire right control, and begins driving the confederates back. Living up to his namesake the multi war hero General Winfield Scott Hancock urges his men to continue their onslaught. He pushed the rebels back nearly a mile hancock exclaims to an aid. We are driving them Sir tell General Meade, we are driving them. But General Hancock spoke too soon by mid morning old Pete Long Street in his nearly fourteen thousand men from Texas Arkansas arrive on the battlefield. Though they have marched all night them in jump into the fray and Bobby, Lee is so excited. The Old Virginia leads these reinforcements into battle himself. twenty-three-year-old private James. Cosgrove of the Fourth Texas watches in awe. I'll let him tell the story. I saw generally as he rode at full speed across the front of the Brigade, then leading the division calm attack. The tickets were crowned with tops of federal battle flags showing a large force, which was further evidenced by musketry fire withering in the extreme in this mighty Din General Lee road out to lead his army in a charge. For the first time, we were called to attention and in moving forward. Arms at right shoulder guide center I saw generally somewhere near the center of the Brigade Front formation when the cry went up lead of the rear, the general to the rear and the brigade halted. Yet there is no way in hell. These Texans are going to let a union bullet take down their beloved bearded general. So while the men call out Lee to the rear a young soldier steps up to lead Bobby Lee's horse back to safer ground. James Cosgrove continues a story. Ordinance officer Randall of Rusk Texas sees general ease bridal and was killed dragging his horse back to the rear. The enemy was at point blank distance in firing upon us very, very heavy thinking the trumpet Voice of General Greg Our brigade commander men the eyes of your general are upon you forward and give 'em. Hell. James and his great clad comrades obey with a vengeance. The addition of old Pete Long streets, men, tips, the Scales and the confederates favor union brigades. Get pushed back to their original lines. But in the confusing dense woods filled with smoke from small fires in dust kicked up by thousands of men disoriented rebel soldiers fire on their own. In Erie, repeat of the battle, Chancellor's Phil were friendly fire mortally wounded stonewall Jackson it confederate general takes a bullet to the arm from one of his own men. This time. It's old Pete. Thankfully for the rebels OPEC wound isn't fatal. He'll be out of commission for the next few months though. Bobby Lee takes over all pete's post in the battle rages on around four fifteen. PM sparks from rifles and cannon start in the tangled underbrush and wooded breast works of the Union lines. Men Too wounded to run burned to death while they're powerless to help comrades listen to their screenings. One soldier recalls. Quote. The wind how to treetops mingling it's moans groans of the dine and heavy branches were cut off by the fire of the artillery and fell crashing upon the heads of the men adding new terror to battle. Close quote. These fire slow the battle, but don't stop it. Determined, federal and rebel troops shoot at each other until when confederate General John Gordon orders an assault on the exposed fought out union. Right Rebel soldiers pound into the federal troops, taking hundreds of prisoners, including two generals and sending a ripple of panic through union lines. Remember the army of the Potomac has been here before literally. Most of the men figures time say uncle and retreat back across the Rapid Dan. One. freaked out. Brigade general report delicious at his headquarters. I know Lee's methods. Well, by past experience, he will throw his whole army between us in the rapid an and cut us off completely from our communications. But you is fed up with this kind of defeatist talk he barks back. I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn double somersaults and land in our rear on both of our flanks at the same time, go back to your command and try to think what we are going to do ourselves instead of what Lee is going to do. Ulysses outbursts seems to work union troops regain their lost ground by nightfall in the Battle of the Wilderness ends when northern soldier records quote. It was a blind and bloody haunt to death and bewildering thickets rather than a battle. Close quote. The brutal fighting takes it's toll on you list who writes that. Moore desperate fighting has not been witnessed on this continent. The Rung. General allows himself to cry over his dead wounded and captured man. For a full ten minutes before getting a few hours of sleep. Nearly, all of the one, hundred, fifteen, thousand union, and sixty thousand confederate troops in these two armies engaged in the battle. EULESS has nearly eighteen thousand casualties and bobby. Lee Has ten, thousand, eight hundred. Still euless promised present Lincoln that he would not retreat in. He means to keep his word. A May. Seventh the bruised but not broken general sends a message to the President simply saying. What happens there will be no turning back. down. But most of ulysses subordinates aren't this determined down in Alabama. Nathaniel beings operation against mobile has stalled out in southern Virginia Benjamin Butler is moving. So slowly the confederates have time to reinforce their positions. In the Shenandoah Valley France Segel runs away from bowel. So often he seems to be putting on how to retreat from Bowel Seminar for the confederates. Yeah, it's ugly only to come to Sherman in Georgia seems to be moving forward per his orders. Still, euless doesn't give up on his plan. After this tactical draw the Battle of the wilderness he doesn't let his men lick their wounds for long on the night of May. Seven years ordered the army of the Potomac move south toward a little crossroads town called spots. Vania. It's only now that union soldiers begin to see this battle was just the beginning of a larger plan. They don't know it yet, but the battle of the wilderness just kicked off the overland campaign and what will turn into more than a month of almost daily fighting between the Union and confederate forces in. Virginia. As soon, as the army of the Potomac gets on the road confederate figure, he's retreating north. After all isn't that what every other union general has ordered. Confederate General John Gordon Brags. That has quote. No doubt. But that grant is retreating close quote. But Bobby Lee correct John. You ominous taken quite mistaken grant is not retreating. He is not a retreating man. Yeah, both Bobby Leeann Ulysses grant knows that they have met their equals on the battlefield. While the federals marched towards spots Vania. So did a confederates. Actually bobbies grey clad soldiers beat the union boys, spots, Lavinia, and immediately start digging trenches and breast words just north of the town. And these lines are awesome early in the war Cima Bobby Lee's men called him the king of spades because he made them dig line so much. But they don't like him anymore. bobbies turned his men into professional trench and breast work builders. The confederate lines art from north west of the town through the woods rolling hills down to its eastern side. But at the north most point, the line juts out severely from a bird's eye view it looks like a mule shoe sticking north out of the line. And that's probably why the men call this part of this position, the Mule Shoe. I know a mule shoe comparison is super useful for twenty century listeners basically horseshoe except the ends are GonNa come together rather than like you. There you go. On May ninth when Bobby Leeann specs the lines, he's not sure this mule shoe is defensible enough. He tells confederate General Dick, you'll. This is a wretched line I do not see how can be held. But it's too late to change positions. The Union army has been filling the woods north of the confederate lines all day a battle is coming. Under the cover of Darkness Bobby Lee arranges the positions of his troops to plug up any holes in the lines ulysses knows about this but he doesn't have good Intel on exactly where bobbies placing his men nor does the cigar loving you general have away get it. c- he sent his cavalry often array just yesterday. So you list is flying somewhat blind. Assuming the Bobby Lee has enforced his west and east flanks at the expense of his northern center ulysses orders a direct assault on the confederate mule shoe for five PM on May tenth. George Meade puts the order into action except for one piece, our favorites I burned general. Ambrose burnside is here with his core in George Meade can't give to ambrose for one practical reason. Ambrose outranks George. So you Lis- Orders Ambrose to support the planned assault. But all of these orders from list ambrose from you listed George from George to his subordinates get confused lost misunderstood as a result, the attack it's push back to six PM. And that crucially gives dashing union colonel emory upton another hour polish his innovative assault plan. Here's the thing. Emery a colonel serving under. General. Winfield Scott. Hancock. Devours military strategy books fast. Alexander Hamilton wrote his fifty one of the eighty five federalist papers. In other words, emery knows his stuff. He sees a chance to try something new that could help union salt on the fortified confederate position succeed and regathered his twelve regimental commanders. So that quote. They might understand the work before them. Close quote in a nutshell, emery orders his men to March in formation three regiments across four deep. They should approach the mule shoe at a quick pace and not fire a shot till they reached the rebel lines was the first line hits, the works, the break left and right. So the next line can reach the works join the fight. The next line will do the same and the next until all twelve regiments are attacking the length of the rebel breast works at once. It's both ingeniously brilliant and stunningly simple. At Five Fifty PM Union artillery starts firing on the confederate meals shoot. At six o'clock sharp, the gun stop infantry move in. EMORY UPTON attack plan totally works. The Blue Coats quickly, overwhelmed the rebels and captured a huge chunk of confederate lines in brutal hand to hand combat. As the hot tired men fight it out in the trenches confederate reinforcements arrive but no union troops move up to help emery and his men hold their position. And we're takes a bolt to the guy and his men are forced to retreat. Though it didn't have ultimate success. One historian calls curl emory upton to assault quote. One of the classic infantry attacks of military history. Close quote. The next day may eleventh heavy rain turns the dusty roads and footpaths in the mud slicks. But the fighting continues as ulysses tries to figure out a way to break bobby lease lines. He sends a message to President Lincoln. I propose to fight it out on this line if it takes all summer. Once again, unconditional surrender grant showing his steely grit. Now, Bobby Lee, and you list are both incredible commanders but they aren't super human. They make mistakes and Bobby's about to make a big one. He gets faulty Intel from his son Rooney. Cavalry. Major General who reports that the army of the Potomac seems to be on the move east toward Fredericksburg. They aren't, but bobby believes his son. Anyway. In an effort to catch list by surprise Bobby Muzy artillery currently protecting the mule shoe to attack the root he thinks the Union army is on. This leaves the critical Mule Shoe under protected when Union troops renew their assault in the predawn fog and rain at four thirty on May Twelfth. While the ever Dapper Winfield Scott Hancock attacks from the North Ambrose burnside hits the meal shoes east side. The boys in blue quickly occupied a muddy blood splattered rebel trenches. But Bobby Leeson's in reinforcements and devolve into a brutal slug best of hand to hand combat and rifle fire. Bobby Lee calls back artillery from this pointless mission as fifteen thousand more union troops joined the battle. The fighting lasts all day. Literally, some estimates have the combat ranging from eighteen to twenty three hours. Yes. twenty-three around mid-day Union troops attacked the West side of the Mule Shoe. This area quickly becomes known as the bloody angle. Here, thousands of soldiers lock horns in a desperate attempt to control hundred yards of the confederate built trenches. One trooper remembers. Quote. The flags of both armies waved at the same moment over the same breasts works while beneath them federal and confederate endeavoured to drive home the bayonet through the interstate. Close quote. Gathering darkness doesn't slow the fighting around two a m. a new sound fills the soldiers in the bloody angle with fear. A twenty two inch diameter old growth oak tree sways ominously it's large trunk creaking. Union, bullets meant for confederate soldiers have been hacking away at his tree all day with its trunk cut almost clear through this beast is falling the tree crashes down on wounded soldiers who can't get out of the way quickly. Pinning them the muddy earth. Heavy, rain across the next few days puts a damper on major fighting the confederates moved their position into a north south running line facing East Union, Troops Mir this movement and regroup in their own lines, just east spots, Vania both armies eye each other warily, but neither attempt to gain ground. A may nineteenth the skies clear confederate General Dick. You'll runs a recon mission near Harris farm northeast of spots Lavinia courthouse. His men find newly-arrived federal reinforcements. These union troops are straight off the line Washington DC and they're pretty green. It shows in this clash northeast the original battlefield only a few hours of fierce fighting Dick suffers around nine hundred casualties but Inflicts Fifteen Hundred on Union. Troops. This action marks the official end of the battle. In the middle of this deadly days long engagement at spots Vania courthouse Bobby Lee gets word that General Jeb Stuart has been killed at yellow tavern which had told you about in this episode's opening. It's a huge loss in the STOIC southern gentleman remarks. I guess they think of him without even. Bobby's had a rough several days. He's Lost Jeb and suffered nearly ten thousand casualties from sixty three, thousand man army. One confederate general remarks quote. Grant was wearing us out and starving US cold. He hammered out his continually. He knew we couldn't replace our men and that he could. Close quote. While that may be true. It's not like the army of the Potomac isn't taking heavy losses. EULESS has around eighteen thousand men on the casualty list by the end of the battle. Despite these casualties the blue. I. General Sticks to his plan. He means to break Bobby Lee's army and sack Richmond. You LASORDA's amid midnight march south on May nineteenth. As Army of the Potomac marches south southwest from spots of any courthouse, they continue to clash with the confederate army of northern. Virginia. Here's the thing ulysses dramatically outnumbers Bobby Lee. So the Union general wants to take advantage of that by forcing his confederate counterpart into battle on an open field. Bobby didn't get to be the number one general in the USA for nothing though. He keeps his behind nearly impenetrable defense works no matter where they are. From the safety of these lines, the King of spades is waiting for US grant mess up in leave part of his huge arm exposed. But as the confederates camp, just south of the North Anna, river about twenty or so miles north of Richmond Bobby Lee grows tired of waiting. He'll force ulysses to make a mistake. The Old Virginia forms his army into an upside down you with the curve on the river and the sides extending south in order for you listed attack this you he'll have to separate his army. Sending one portion to the east one to the West and one trying to cross the North Anna to attack the curve. euless falls for the trap not realizing the extent of Bobby Lee's plan ulysses orders an attack on the confederate position. You can guess how well that's going to end up the FEDERALS RIGHT For three days from May twenty four to twenty, six union troops assault the rebel work to no avail. You realizes he's been had and needs to find a way to wriggle out of this trap and keep moving south. But how you list has a bit of luck. Bobby Lee get sick nearly a month of fighting losing two generals and thousands of men starts to catch up with the seemingly indomitable rebel general. As bobby lays in his sick bed, he tells subordinates. We must strike them a blow. We must never allow them to pass again. The confederate field commanders failed to follow these orders. They don't put up a fight when you list build pontoon bridges over the North Anna River nor do the confederate's follow as ulysses gets his men off the field. You listen is men continue to creep south with the confederates Mirren their movements. Pieces. Of the two armies skirmish at Hawes shop. Top applaud him we creek. Bethesda church. And maddie decking creek. With a cigar in his teeth and a woodley knife in his hands almost constantly you list doesn't he is off his alternate goals breaking the confederate army and sacking Richmond? And he's getting pretty close to doing both from the North Anna euless head south. He'll need to cross the swampy slow flowing deep chicken hominy river and Hook up with Union General Ben Butler on the James River near Petersburg. From there the combined union armies can march north to Richmond. Bobby Lee has to prevent this now recovered from his stress induced illnesses. The brilliant tactician sees exactly what US grant intends to do and he can't let that happen. A May twenty ninth with just a hint of panic in his Genteel Virginia drawl Bobby Lee tells a staffer. We must destroy the Saami of grants before he gets to the James River. If he gets there, it will become a siege and it will be a question of time. By. Now Union General Phil Sheridan has returned from his deadly Radi mission and is linked up with ulysses again. And the US Lieutenant? General. Is thrilled to have phil back. On May thirty first ulysses orders fill in his calorie unit to take and hold a small crossroads time called cold harbour. Let me tell you about this town's you'll understand why you lists orders Phil to hang onto it quote at all hazards. Close quote. Cold Harbor sits about eight miles east northeast of Richmond from this spot euless can launch attacks against the confederate north of Richmond Oregon's Richmond itself or he can easily march south to reach the James. River. Basically. The world is at ulysses fingertips here, and the Cherry on top of this perfect position is that critical union supplies and reinforcement lines lie unobstructed at Ulysses back. So. Yeah. After Phil, Sheridan secures the town ulysses feeling pretty confident. He sends a message to his former boss Henry. Haluk back in. DC. Lee's army is really whipped. I may be mistaken but I feel that our success over Lee's army is already insured. Back. Well. I'm not sure Bobby. Lee. Sees it that way while ulysses gets over forty thousand reinforcements Bobby Lee has at least ten thousand soldiers join his ranks from the Shenandoah valley and Petersburg, and Bobby Lee immediately puts them to work building earthen works. Breast Works and logged parapets north South running line facing cold harbor. With chicken hominy, river, and swampland at their backs in a tangled mess of low growth brushing trees to their front. The confederates have a strong position. Late on June first US General George, meade orders and attack. The old snapping turtle wants his men to punch a hole in the confederate right and clear the way for union soldiers across the Chicago River as a curved self of the battlefield. Federal's lineup in the woods to launch their salt rebel artillery fires on them from their positions half a mile away. One new. Hampshire soldier writes in his diary quote we have been within range of the enemy shot and Shell for a long time, but now are near his infantry lines and hundreds of his bullets whistling wack among the trees about us. Rebel. Shells burst over our heads in the pieces come down among us or else riven tear. Favoring us with their falling branches. Close quote. The Union assault finally begins at six PM and after a few hours of hard fighting the federal troops push back the rebel lines just enough to secure the road to the hominy. They didn't punch a hole in the confederate works and costs about two, thousand, eight, hundred casualties but it's one item checked off the battle objectives list. The next day fighting continues between Blue Gray. Despite their numerical advantage union troops can't find a way through the strong confederate lines. Ulysses wants to break Bobby League right here right now. So he plans a coordinated don offensive on the confederate right hoping to crack the rebel lines before the oppressive heat can Stein his plan. Union troops spend the evening of June second preparing for battle. Some even pinned their names and addresses to the back of their uniforms in case they're killed. Damn. After eight straight days of fighting these seasoned veterans know well enough what's coming tomorrow? On sold reports, the Winnie here's the orders he's not too thrilled. I must confess that order was not received with much hilarity. There was some hooting at the brigade commanders by the soldiers but when it was ascertained that these officers themselves going to lead them in. There was no further hesitation. At four thirty a M single CANON INITIATES THE UNION ASSAULT Union soldiers charged the field guns blazing. Right away it's clear that this is a terrible idea. Neither Ulysses nor George me did enough recon to know that. Almost the entire field between union and confederate lines is riddled with zigzagging trenches full of armed rebel. Union troops have advanced to one trench capture. The man climb out of the trench only repeat the same process over again. Oh and they have to do this under withering enemy fire from the main confederate lines. Most regiments can only capture one, maybe two confederate trenches before getting stock within a few hours. General Winfield Scott Hancock Second Corps has lost eight colonels and suffered twenty five hundred casualties. Other cores report similar numbers, but the cantor back, there's no way to escape incessant enemy fire. Men. Crawford on their stomachs. Some US dead comrades as shields. Anything to find a way out of this mess. By noon ulysses calls off the assault in Union, soldiers stuck on the battlefield entrench as best as they can but continuous confederate fire inflict more casualties on the trapped blue coats. You can see that this attack was a mistake he wires Henry Haluk at two PM stating. Our loss was severe nor do I suppose the enemy to add lost heavily back? He doesn't know it yet but that's a huge understatement of the devastation from this morning's fight in only a few hours. His army suffered seven thousand casualties while. Acting. One, thousand, five, hundred. Even. Confederate generals can't believe the carnage around them once simply states quote. This was not war. It was murder. Close quote. George. Meade uses this incident to humble ulysses George rights to his wife I think grant is had his eyes open and is willing to admit now that Virginia and Lee's Army is not Tennessee Bragg's army. But Ulysses doesn't need much humbling twenty years down the line when you Lewis writes his memoirs he expresses regret for his poorly thought out attack. I. Have always regretted that the last assault at cold harbor was ever made. while. General has to make tough calls in his orders will inevitably caused the deaths of many of his men. There's usually an overall objective reached to justify those deaths. But not here a cold harbor. The June Third Union attack is the last main thrust of the battle. However, just like Mary's Heights in the eighteen, sixty, two battle of Fredericksburg confederate sharpshooters make a dangerous for Union ambulance cores to retrieve the wounded from the battlefield. The suffering lay under the scorching sun while ulysses, haggles with. Bobby, Lee to work out temporary ceasefire. Finally on the evening of June seventh after wounded union soldiers have been lying under the sun without food or water for almost four days mets are able to get to them. By then most had died from their wounds or exposure. About one, hundred, seventeen, thousand union soldiers and sixty thousand federal troops fired their weapons at cold harbor. EULESS had approximately thirteen thousand men wounded or dead while Bobby Lee counts about five thousand. Like the Battle of the Wilderness Bobby Lee can count cold harbor as a defensive, win. But the Virginia can't prevent the army of the Potomac from continuing its relentless march south. On June twelfth euless leads his men on yet another night March they slip out of their entrenchments and head south toward the James. River without Bobby Lee noticing. Like I said both of these generals are human and they make mistakes. Just like you lis- ordered an ill-fated attack on June third bobby Lee fails to react to his enemies movements. As a result, bobby lease leaving his comrade and our old creel Louisianan friend Pierre Gt regard dangerously exposed Petersburg. Now, a month ago, ulysses may have figured that he could push straight into Richmond from the North or the east. But the brutal defeat at cold harbor has killed any flickering hope of that plan. The only option left is for you list head south to Petersburg Hook up with Benjamin Butler take Petersburg then attack Richmond from the south. The worn out by his grueling deadly campaign ulysses has confidence. This plan will work in states. The key to taking Richmond is Petersburg. But the cigar smoking blue eyed military leader didn't get to be Lieutenant General of the US Army with only one plane his playbook. One of ulysses. Strengths is his ability to see the big picture. So instead of taking his whole arm to Petersburg on June twelfth he breaks off small pieces for a different mission. You listens a new force to Rabi Shenandoah Valley and smashed the depots there. He Tasks Phil Sheridan and the cavalry with destroying rail lines just north of Richmond. Andy lessees assigns himself with attacking Petersburg destroying its rail lines to Richmond. Keep Bobby Lee off his sent us feigns a movement toward the CSI capital in reality one corps of the army of Tomac is traveling to Petersburg via the Pamunkey. York James Rivers while the other four taken overland route. It's a super efficient troop movement which one confederate general will later call quote the most brilliant stroke in the campaigns of the war. Close quote. Now Petersburg sits on east flowing. River about nine miles west of where that river joins up with James and the ever dapper though now gray hair gt beauregard has set up breast works on the East and south sides of the city. Which means he lists will need to cross the James River if he wants to attack it. which he does. Sticking with the efficient strategies of this movement, some union troops take transport boats. The river while military engineers building two thousand, one, hundred, the Pontoon Bridge strong enough to stand forefoot title swells of the James. On June fifteenth the rest of the army safely crosses the southbank. So the James and heads West Petersburg President Lincoln is thrilled with these perfectly executed troop movements the Illinois rail splitter since. Ulysses telegram. I begin to see it will succeed God. Bless you all. Think way to impress the boss you lists. Gt Regard. Watch, the advancing federal army with growing dread, he's only got two thousand, five hundred men to defend Petersburg and bobby doesn't even know where the Union army is right now. This is not looking good for the old creel. At six PM on June fifteenth US General Winfield Scott Hancock and William Bali Smith. Launch an attack on the thinly manned confederate lines. There men easily take more than a mile of the line and sixteen, the fifty five mounted guns. Now, at this point, these guys should have realized just how few rebels are actually defending Petersburg's impressive breast works, but they don't when field and Baldi don't really get along. When fields old Gettysburg wound is acting up and Bali is sick. So instead of pressing their advantage, these two generals let their guys can't behind the captured lines and sleep in the next morning. That gives gt time to pull in reinforcements from a nearby fort bringing his forces up to a whopping five thousand, four hundred. But. Frankly GT's just glad to have a few hours to dig a new trench for his man. The native french-speaking confederate later states. Petersburg at that hour was clearly at the mercy of the Federal Commander who had all but captured it. Gt gets a telegram off Bobby. Lee and the Virginia General immediately start shipping reinforcements to Petersburg. Across the next two days more gray clad men join the fight and George. Meade orders several attacks Petersburg's eastern defenses. But. The Blue Coats hearts just aren't in it. Their assaults are feeble and cautious. One Union commander sees what's going on. He states quote. The men feel at present great horror and dread of attacking earthen works again. Close quote old snapping Turtle George Agrees, and reports to you lis-. Men are tired and he attacks have not been made with vigor and force which characterized are fighting in the wilderness. If they had been I think we should have been more successful. After World War One soldiers would call this shell shock in the twenty per century. We'd call it PTSD. But no matter its name, the men are tired of fighting. Gt moves his lines back as close to Petersburg, as he can, and the Union soldiers launched another fence on June eighteenth. It's a disastrous deadly failure. One artillery complains quote. The attack this afternoon was a fiasco of the worst kind I trust. It will be the last attempt at this most absurd way of attacking entrenchments by General Advance in line. Even the stupidest private now knows it cannot succeed. Close quote. You're right soldier. General, grant won't order another assault such as this. Since he suffered about ten thousand more casualties in the last four days of fighting you list knows he needs to change tactics. As Bobby Leroy is in full force in Petersburg the union general issues, new orders. We will arrest the men and use the spade for their protection until a new vein has been struck. So newly promoted Lieutenant General Ulysses s grant's overland campaign. Didn't go as he hoped. As ulysses pushed south from the rapid an river to the James River Bobby Lee forest, you list to attack Doug and confederate positions. And you know it's an odd reversal of what people usually think of how the civil war was fought. You listen the Union. Army have often been accused of waging war of attrition against the South get the opposite is true here the army of the Potomac huge losses at every battle Indian with over sixty five thousand casualties in seven weeks of fighting. Despite the staggering toll though ulysses isn't giving up, the general still plans to lay siege to Petersburg starve bobby Lee into an open battle but we'll sit on that for the time being next time we're heading west to follow General William to come to Sherman to Atlanta. History that doesn't suck as created and hosted by me Greg Jackson Researching Writing Greg, Jackson and sale Salazar production and sound design Josh Bady. Up. J.. B., audio design. Musical score composed and performed by Greg Jackson and Van. April for a bibliography of all primary and secondary sources consulted in writing this episode visit history that doesn't suck dot com. HDD is supported by Anti Patriotic Com forward slash history that doesn't suck. Josh Seattle and I are beyond grateful to you kind souls providing funding to help us keep going. Thank you and a special thanks to our patients whose monthly gift puts them at producer status will. Caldwell Jason. 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66: The Election of 1864: Lincoln's Bid for Reelection

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66: The Election of 1864: Lincoln's Bid for Reelection

"History that doesn't suck as a biweekly podcast delivering illegit seriously researched hard hitting survey of American history through entertaining stories. If you'd like to support HDD S or enjoy some perks like ad free early releases or patron exclusive mini episodes, please consider giving at patron dot com forward slash history that doesn't suck to keep up with HDD. News follow us on facebook twitter or instagram. It's a warm southern night, July seventeenth eighteen, sixty four. To Northerners Exit Richmond Virginia's elegant five-storey spotswood. Hotel. One is the Brown haired Hayes Allied Boston born and bred author James Gilmore. The other is the tall handsome eloquent Methodist Minister in Quincy College President Turned Commander of the Seventy Third Illinois colonel. James. F Jackass. The two men had to the former U S customhouse. Now housing the confederate government they have a nine o'clock appointment to attempt informal peace talks with confederate President Jefferson Davis and his Secretary of State Judah Benjamin. But. We'll jeff entertain a piece that includes reunification. Bostonian civilian and the Illinois colonel intend to find out. As the a room with the words. State Department Store, the rail, thin haired confederate president and Colonel Jaquez Exchange Pleasantries I'm glad you gentlemen you are very welcome in Richmond. We thank you. Mr Davis is often you meet men of our close in our principles in Richmond not so often as I could wish and I trust, your comment may lead to more frequent and friendly inequality between the north in the south. We sincerely hope it may are people want peace. We have come ask how it can be brought about hit a very simple way with dryer on is from territory he's come at once. Yeah, the two parties different views of this war have already manifested. The divide only sharpens the confederate president describes the north as the aggressor in the Union Colonel Pushes back I know your motives, Kennel Jackass I honor you for them but it is with your own people you should labor it is they who desperately hommes burn wheatfields, break the wheels of wagons carrying away on women and children. And stress supplies meant for are sick and wounded at your door, lie all the miseries and the crime of this war Mr Davis elements of barbarism are entering the war on both sides in God's name. Let us stop it. You cannot expect with only four and a half millions to hold out forever against twenty millions. Do you suppose there are twenty millions at the North Determined to crush us? I do. A small number of people are your friends secessionists the rest differ about measures and candidates, but are united in the determination to sustain the. Union. Whoever is elected in November? He must be committed to a vigorous prosecution of the war. James Gilmore sees that just doesn't quite by the Siesta has few friends up. North. The BOSTONIAN now engages the gangly confederate leader it is. So sir, the majority on favor Mr Lincoln and nearly all of those opposed to him are opposed to him because they think he does not fight you with enough vigor. The radical Republicans who go for slave suffrage and thorough confiscation are those will defeat him. If he is defeated, it will give you know terms they will insist on hanging every rebel south. pod My times I mean, no offense hugh give no offence. This is frank free talk and I, like you the bed if the same what you think? Go on. I was merely going to say they will insist on hanging every one of your leaders. I can't see how it affects opposition. There are some things worse than hanging works domination. We reckon given up the right of self government. One of those things by self-government you mean this union. Sudden Independence yes and slavery you say is no longer an element in the contest no, it is not. It never was an essential element. It was only a means of bringing other conflicting elements earlier culmination if by the Musket, which is already captain loaded, there are essential differences between the north and the south will however this war may end make them to nations. Well Sir. If I understand you the dispute between your government, and now is is now down to this. Union or disunion yes or the put in other words independence subjugation. The BOSTONIAN from debating the war's causes detailing hypothetical special election in which Americans north and south vote between southern independence or reunification with emancipate and universal amnesty. But as an extreme states, rights supporter Jeff is in having it that the majority shall decide you mean we succeeded to rid ourselves of the rule of the majority and this would subject us twit again but the majority rule finally either with bullets or ballots, I am not so sure Sir you let the majority rule in single state. Why not let rule in the whole country because the states are independence sovereign the country is not it is only a confederation of states or rather it was. It is now two confederations. The we are not a people we are only a political partnership. That is all. Secretary of State Judah Benjamin into Jack's. You're very name Sir United States implies that. Tell. Me Are the terms you have named emancipation, no confiscation and universal amnesty the terms which Mr Lincoln authorized you to offer us. No Sir Mr Lincoln did not authorize me to offer you any terms james replies, but that's softening won't defuse Jeff's rising. Temper. They are very generous, but amnesty Sir applies to criminals. have committed no crime and emancipation. You have already emancipated nearly two millions of our slaves, and if you will take care of them, you may Manson Pete the rest. I had a few when the war began of some use to them. The never word any to me. Against their will you emancipated them and you emancipate every Negro in the confederacy, but we will be free, we will govern ourselves. We will do it if we have to see every southern plantation sacked and every southern city in flames. I see. Mr Davis it is useless to continue this conversation. You will pardon us we love the old flag. Down must be apology for True Nippon You at all. You have not intruded upon me. I am glad to have met you both. I once loved the old flag as well as you do. I would have died for it. But now. It is to me only angle of oppression. The BOSTONIAN in Illinois and got their answer. JEFF WILL NOT CONSIDER UNIFICATION For that to help them sort must remain. Welcome to history doesn't sign I'm you Professor Greg Jackson? We're going to see colonel. Jaquez claiming that opening is right. Does whoever wins the eighteen sixty four presidential election have to prosecute war. We'll start by hearing about Republicans nominating Abraham Lincoln for a second term while that might seem obvious to a first century American it is by no means something that should be taken for granted in Nineteenth Century America especially when the Illinois Rail splitters party is split between radicals and moderates then we'll follow the Democrats to Chicago for their convention. And this is ugly things are so messy between their war peace slash copperhead factions. Here you'll start to think the Republican camps actually have a functional relationship. Ultimately. It's a showdown between Lincoln's unification and emancipation platform and the Democrats. Well it's complicated. You'll see but some sort of peace is platform that definitely does not include emancipation. So, shall we see what it looks like the whole the presidential election in the midst of a civil war? Let's do it. And we start in early eighteen, sixty four. rewind? It's February thirteenth eighteen, sixty, four and attorney general Edward Bates sits in a private meeting with President Lincoln. Edward. Has Been in bed with a cold for the past two weeks and he's finally feeling well enough to visit his boss. But this isn't a friendly chat about the spring like temperatures and Sunshine. Edwards worried about the game, a fellow cabinet members plane behind Lincoln's back. To Edwards Relief Lincoln knows what's up he calls the political backbiting by radical Republicans quote unquote fiendish. Edward points out that Secretary of the Treasury. Salmon Chase is probably leading this charge against Lincoln and the president agrees. But what exactly are salmon and his radical Republican buddies up to. Well, last December a bunch of guys got together and formed the organization to make S P chase president. Snappy, Name Right Notice how they glossed over Salmon's fishy first name. Good call. Since December this group led by Kansas Senator, Samuel Pomeroy has been quietly canvassing support for salmon's presidential run and the ambitious treasury secretary is on board. He tells a friend. He's excited about his political prospects and thinks this committee is stacked with quote. Men of great weight. Close quote. But some people think that Salmon's egos getting the better of him. Radical Republican been weighed. Sums it up this way. Quote chases a good man but his theology is unsound. He thinks there is a fourth person in the trinity. Close quote. That false beliefs about to 'cause the overeager politician to make a huge mistake Salmon his committee misinterpret congressional grumbling against Lincoln as the beginnings of an actual Anti Lincoln political movement. In response, they write up a document, called the next presidential election and send it to one hundred thousand Republicans in early February. The conceived six page article delineates everything that Lincoln has done wrong during his tenure. It ends by claiming that Lincoln can be blamed as quote the real cause why our well appointed armies have not succeeded in the destruction of the rebellion. Close quote. And that's a low blow gents. Of course this pamphlet is just the start. The organization to make s P chase president is just getting warmed up a letter marked, strictly private starts making the rounds right after the first pamphlet drops, and of course, if you label something private everyone in the cousin is going to read it. On February Twentieth The Washington Constitutional Union even prince the damn thing. This letter, which is thankfully much shorter than the last one states. Quote should Lincoln. Be reelected his manifest tendency toward compromises and temporary expedients of policy will become stronger during the second term than it has been in the first. Close. Quote. But. Then it goes one step further. It suggests a replacement of the gang gangly uncouth Illinois rail splitter. The note ends by saying quote, we find an honorable salmon p chase more of the qualities needed in a president during the next four years then are combined in any other available candidate signed. Samuel Pomeroy. Close quote. Like I. Said Big Mistake. Most people see this letter for what it is a fumbling obvious ploy to get salmon. Chase. As the Republican presidential candidate. Lincoln Secretary of the Navy Gideon Welles knows exactly what's going to happen to his fellow cabinet member. Gideon whom Lincoln loves to call Neptune, predicts quote. It's recoil will be more dangerous. I apprehend than its projectile that is it will damage chase more than Lincoln. Close quote. The Astute. Master of the seas is right. When Salmon sees the pomeroy circular as it comes to be known in print he freaks out. Yeah, he knew it was coming. He just didn't expect it to be so blunt. Salmon immediately sends a letter to Lincoln, distancing himself from it, the writer and the whole committee that wants to make him president. The Panicky Treasury Secretary Defends. Himself to his boss quote you're not responsible for acts not your own nor will you hold me responsible except for what I do or say myself? Flows quote then offers to resign his cabinet post. Lincoln plays a cool. He lets salmon know that he got the latter. He just simply hasn't had time to respond. That's He's going to let salmon sweat it out for a few days. In the meantime in raged. Republicans all over the north hastily right resolution stating their desire to Lincoln run for a second term. Looks like Gideon's prediction that the letter would damage salmon more than Lincoln is coming through. February twenty ninth more than a week after Salmon's letter Lincoln Response He simply tells the balding overly ambitious Sam not to worry about the ladder and not resign. I Guess Lincoln is falling the wisdom of Michael Corleone from Godfather part to. Keep your friends close keep your enemies closer. Salmon wise's up. Withdraws is name for the presidential race. The treasury secretary may be out of the running, but radical Republicans still want to find a candidate to unseat Lincoln a few prominent men soon gravity toward John, the Pathfinder Fremont, the Western trailblazer turned politician turned army general has all the right credentials. He's an abolitionist remember his ill conceived Missouri Masturbation. Proclamation, from episode forty six he's popular. Thanks to the PR skills of his wife Jessie and he hates Lincoln for relieving him of his army post back in eighteen sixty two. Genes Bennet realizes that John is quote. Really a more dangerous, president? Lincoln Mr Chase. Close quote. So radical Republicans call for May Convention where they will outline a platform based on their extreme political views and nominate the Pathfinder as their presidential candidate. Republicans are wary of this convention and its front runner Navy Secretary Gideon Welles supported John Fremont's Republican presidential candidacy back in eighteen fifty six but he doesn't think much of the weather beaten retired explore. Gideon Calls John Quote reckless improvident wasteful pompous purposeless, vain, and incompetent on all occasions he puts on airs is ambitious and would not serve under men of superior military capacity and experience. Close quote. Roof with an opinion that low I don't think anyone would vote for John Mayor of a town let alone president of the United States. Anyway this convention of people calling themselves. The radical democracy gets underway on, MAY THIRTY FIRST IN CLEVELAND Ohio. Only about four hundred people attend in Washington. DC Lincoln hears about the low attendance. He pulls out his Bible and reads I Samuel Chapter Twenty two verse two. And every one of them was discontented gathered themselves onto him and he became a captain over them and there were with him about four hundred men. Smiling, Lincoln closes the good book. Proving that he could just as easily come up with a Bible verse as a Country Metaphor to make light a tricky situation. In Cleveland, the Radical Democracy Convention quickly outlines a platform that calls for a constitutional amendment to prohibit slavery and another to limit presidents to one term. Convention quickly moves on to nominate their candidate. John Pathfinder Fremont gets the nomination by acclamation that evening. On June fourth. John. Accepts and vows to. Run. Against Lincoln. To. Prevent the misfortune of his reelection. Close quote. I the Republicans have to choose whether even nominee Illinois rail splitter for second. Term. History that doesn't sake sponsored by Boris. Baba's makes most comfortable socks in history of feet. They've literally rethought every little detail of the socks we wear to make them way more comfortable. I wear them every day and I love how they never slide off my heel or bunch up on my toes doesn't matter if I'm in the classroom or going for run they keep me comfortable all day long. But the socks do more than keep my feet cozy. 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Muggy Baltimore Summer, heat won't hold them back. Republican National Party Chairman Edwin Morgan opens the convention, any Levian Sharp and remarks. It is not my duty nor my purpose to indicate any general course of action for the convention. But in my view of the dreaded realities of the past, and if what is passing at this moment and with the knowledge of the further fact that this has all been caused by slavery. The Party will fall short of accomplishing. It's great mission unless among its other resolves it shall declare for such an amendment of the Constitution as will positively prohibit African slavery in the United States. The crowd cheers Edwin called action and gets down to business they need to vote on which delegates to seat. This is not as easy as it sounds. Missouri has sent to competing delegations as six confederate states have sent people. It's up to convention leaders to defuse this political bomb. Early on June eighth convention leaders vote to allow the delegates from reconstructed Tennessee Arkansas and Louisiana to take seats with full voting rights. Florida in Virginia delegates can stay but not vote and the South Carolina cohort gets kicked out a theater altogether. But what to do about Missouri two delegations. It's like watch macgyver tried to choose between cutting green wire or the blue wire on the bomb tied to the innocent kids. Okay, maybe it's not that dramatic, but in the end Lincoln makes the call. From Washington. DC He quietly instructs convention leaders to the Radical Missouri Group. He needs a unified party with radical and conservative elements working together as one delegate puts it. The politically deft president has quote. A maddening habit of being in a kind of to sucking way wiser and sharper than you. Close quote. Hammering out a platform will be decidedly easier than seating disparate delegates even though this National Union, Convention invited people from any party there planks purely Republican. The committee on resolutions reads eleven items, but number three gets the biggest response. We are in favour furthermore of. Amendment to terminate and forever prohibit the existence of slavery within the limits or jurisdiction of the United States. William Lloyd garrison the lifelong abolitionist. WHO So, thirty eight reports. The whole body of delegates spring to their feet and prolonged cheering. Was Not a spectacle like that rich compensation for more than thirty years of personal opprobrium. On the afternoon of June eighth, the delegates get to the good stuff nominating a presidential candidate. A lot of people think that. Lincoln will. Clinton. If he does it will be a huge deal. No president has served two terms for thirty years all the way back to Andrew Jackson. Yeah let that sink in. So the fact that most delegates are even considering renominating Lincoln. Is A. Big. Deal. As the roll call gets underway Illinois Delegate Burton Cook stands. In, declares. I moved that Abraham Lincoln of Illinois be declared the choice of this convention. Thomson Campbell, of California, agrees I rise Sir to second denomination by the Honorable Gentleman from Illinois. Nobody wants to drag this out the Front Street theatre is Asana full of hot sweat stained man. The delegates shout no speeches call the roll. Mangoes I giving all its fourteen votes Lincoln. Down the line each delegation votes for Lincoln except Missouri, these guys have been instructed to vote for general grant whether he wants the job or not. But by the time, the last allegation votes for Lincoln, Missouri Switches, it's twenty votes to the president. Abraham Lincoln they'll annoy lawyer from humble beginnings. It's renominated by unanimous vote. It's time to nominate a VP for. The delegates could go with Hannibal Hamlin the sitting vice president for main, but he's colorless and has lost his political appeal over the last four years could also go with Daniel Dickinson from New York. But there's this unwritten rule that each significant post in the president's inner circle should belong to a different state. Secretary, of State William Henry Seward, is from New York there's no room for Daniel Dixon. That leaves the military governor, of Tennessee War Democrat Andrew Johnson. After only two rounds of balloting, Andrew gets the not so glamorous VP nomination. Now, I don't want to spoil anything for you. So let me just say two Andrew's going to play a major role within the next year. Keeping that in mind, we should probably get to know the Paunchy grey military governor of Tennessee a little bit. Andrew was born to poor illiterate parents in north. Carolina he literally grew up in a log cabin not unlike his running mate President Lincoln. Andras Dad died before he was ten and his mom apprentice him and his older brother to a local Taylor. Here, Andrew Learn the basics reading and writing along with the tailoring trade. When the Allman I'd round nosed kid was fifteen he and his brother ditched their apprenticeship. Andrew bounced around South finally landing in Tennessee when he was eighteen. Andrew met and married Eliza mccardle in eighteen, twenty seven. Get this the young couple was married by justice of the Peace Mordecai Lincoln first cousin once removed of Abraham Lincoln. Small world. Anyway, allies a hell Andrew, learn math, get better writing and establish his tailoring business. Within a few years and bought a farm and several slaves and then got into politics. Andrew slowly rose to prominence in the Tennessee Democratic Party. But he was definitely not a party insider probably due to his stubborn nature and chip on his shoulder from his humble beginnings president. James Polk remembered meeting Andrew in forty nine. Quote professing to be a Democrat. Johnson had been politically if not personally hostile to me during my whole term, he's very vindictive and perverse in his temper and conduct. If he had the manliness in independence to declare his opposition openly, he knows he could not be elected by his constituents. Close quote. Despite the president's low opinion, Andrew continued to win elections and by eighteen sixty one he was a senator from the volunteer state. As the secession crisis hit that year interested with the union, he told his fellow senators I will not give up this government. No I intend to stand by it and I invite every man who is a Patriot to rally around the altar of our common country and swear by God and all that is sacred and holy that the constitution shall be saved and the Union preserved. Andrew the only senator from a confederate state to keep his seat in Washington DC. When the Union army gained control of most of Tennessee in eighteen, sixty, two Lincoln appointed Andrew as the military governor. Not mean that the Lifelong Democrat wholeheartedly agreed with Lincoln's Duel War Union and abolition. But as a war Democrat, Andrew was on board enough to have Lincoln's trust. So now in a sweltering Baltimore Theatre in June eighteen, sixty, four war Democrat Andrew has been nominated for the second highest office, the land alongside the great emancipator Abraham Lincoln. I guess somebody's you tell the president, the news. There are few different stories floating around how Lincoln hears about his in Andrews nomination but I'll tell you the version that gets the most traction. On the afternoon of June, Eighth Lincoln's hanging out in the war department's Telegraph Office. Messages are pouring in from the war front in Virginia, and from the Convention in Baltimore. A clerk hands Lincoln a telegram from the convention. Proclaiming Andrew Johnson VP pick. But Lincoln's confused. He hasn't even heard about his own nomination yet. The tall bearded man look down at the clerk and exclaims what? Do they nominate a vice president before do the president is not that putting the cart before the Horse The clerk goes read. He mumbles that the telegram notifying Lincoln of his nomination came in a few hours ago and had been sent over to the white. House. That means more sense. Lincoln reassures the lowly clerk. It is all right. I shall probably find it on my return. The next day a delegation shows up to officially inform the president he has been nominated for another turn he responds in his typical self-effacing country. Style. I do not permit myself to conclude that I'm the best man in the country for the job, but I am reminded in this connection. Of, a story of an old Dutch farmer who remarked to a companion once it was not best to swap horses when cross streams. The press has a lot to say both positive and. Less. Positive about the unconventional Republican ticket or rather National Union ticket. But the New York Times hits the nail on the head. Quote. The selection of the vice presidency strikes dismay into the ranks of the copperheads who feel that it has strengthened the union cause tremendously. Flows quote. Nonetheless, the Party unity that produced the Lincoln Johnson tickets soon fades as the rift between radical and moderate Republicans grows. On July second the radical Republican congressman past the Wade Davis Bill. The bill lays out a plan to reconstruct Ferret states. You know bring them back into the union, but it's terms are harsh to the point of impossibility. For example, Lincoln's reconstruction plan calls for ten percent of voters in a state to swear allegiance to the Union. The Way Davis Bill Calls for fifty. Nine even unionist stronghold. Tennessee could meet that bar in the bill deny suffrage to any confederate officers or government employees. Finally Emancipate Slaves by Congressional Fia. In short the bill's sponsors Ben Wade, Henry Davis wants to take reconstruction out of the president's purview input under congressional jurisdiction. Their. Bill would do just that. Summer Recess begins at noon on July fourth. So Lincoln needs to sign the way. Davis. Bill before then once he does reconstruction on Congress's can begin. But on July fourth as Lincoln sits in presidents, room just off the Senate chamber signing. Every piece of last minute legislation shoved at him. He doesn't sign the bill radical Republicans who wished they could join their friends and family at Fourth of July, picnic start to get nervous. The US senator from Michigan Zachariah. Chandler takes matters into his own hands. The hokey man marches in Lincoln's ornately furnished Senate office and demands to know whether the way Davis Bill has been signed. Lincoln. Zachariah hype but definitely, not in wait calmly replies no Mr Chandler this bill was placed before me a few minutes before Congress adjourns it is a matter of too much importance to be swallowed that way. Lincoln explains. Zachariah won't take no for an answer. If it is vetoed, he will just fearfully in the northwest. The important point is that one prohibiting slavery in the reconstructed states? Legal Minded Lincoln, response. That is the point on which I doubt the authority of Congress to act. See if Congress claims the right to abolish slavery, it would legitimise secession by showing that slaveholding states had actually left the union. Lincoln doesn't want that it's the main reason he backed a constitutional amendment to end slavery. Lincoln explains to the men in his office I. Do not see how any of us now can deny and contradict all. We have always said that Congress has no constitutional power over slavery in the states. and. With that, the President Pocket Vetoes the Way Davis. Bill not signing before the congressional sessions. A few days. Later, he issued a statement explaining the veto. Lincoln states that he wants to find a reasonable reconstruction plan move forward with a slavery abolishing amendment and promised to keep both union and emancipation as war aims. Barack, medicals are pissed. Let's not forget about conservative Republicans though the poor president has to juggle both factions of his party. To keep conservative Republicans happy and appeal to Peace Democrats Lincoln authorized negotiations with a President Jeff Davis and the Brilliant Secretary of State Judah Benjamin, and by the way I think it's worth noting that Judah happens to be the first Jewish member of a presidential cabinet north or South. You already heard how these talks went down in the episode's opening. But. All Lincoln's political fancy footwork hand heal the rift in his party. The president can't even turn to his faithful generals to get a bit of good news these days. General Ulysses Grant Offensive Against Robert e Lee stalled at Petersburg Virginia and general. William tecumseh Sherman's advance I -LANTA is moving at a snail's pace. Things looked bleak for the Illinois rail splitter. By August Lincoln's beyond nervous about his odds of reelection. The Nation is so war-fatigued fighting for reunification is one thing but his public letter last month calling emancipation. A prerequisite for peace has upset everyone from Democrats to moderate Republicans. Meanwhile, the radical Republicans still think him to moderate. Good grief. So ever the master of Posturing Lincoln writes a letter to award Democrat Charles de Robinson on August seventeenth hoping to rebuild some credit with moderates. He says in part if Jefferson Davis wishes to know what I would do if he were to offer peace and reunion saying nothing about slavery. Let him try me. Why? Don't worry too much. Lincoln can't bring himself to send it. His moral shine through while discussing this with political allies in the next few days. There have been men base enough to propose to me to return to slavery the black warriors of port, Hudson and to lusty, and thus when respect at the masters they fought. Should I do? So I should deserve to be damned in time and eternity. COMMODE will I will keep my faith with friend handful. And, if Lincoln had any lingering temptation to send is no the mighty the make some characters on the show game of thrones squeamish Frederick Douglass is wisdom ends it. When these two American titans meet for their second time on August. Nineteenth Lincoln asks for his thoughts on the letter. Frederick Informs Him. This is a terrible idea that won't play as intended. It would be taken as a complete surrender of your anti-slavery policy and do you serious damage? He tells the Rail Splitter Okay message received Lincoln drops it, and they talking to the patient as the president's next appointment. Wait. So long his secretary interrupts twice telling him move it along. Lincoln doesn't appreciate it. Tell Governor Buckingham to wait. I wish to have a long talk with my friend Douglas he replies. Wow Forgive me for be laboring the point. I want the significance of this to hit fully. In a time when slavery still exists a full century before the future civil rights movement Lincoln just told the governor of Kansas to sit his in the hall in weight while he the president visits with Black Man. Any qualms Frederick cat about Lincoln's candidacy for another term gone by the end of this interview. But by sticking to his guns on requiring patient for peace winking can't help feeling. He's got a snowball's chance in hell of winning reelection. At best. He tells his friend recently retired general Schuyler Hamilton. I'm going to be beaten. And less some great change takes place badly beaten. On, August twenty third, the rail splitter rights what will become known as his blind memorandum. It seems exceedingly probable that this administration will not be reelected. Then it will be my duty to so cooperate with the president elect as to save the Union between the election and the inauguration as he will have secured his election on such grounds that he cannot possibly see it afterwards. Talk about Balik. Mixture of pessimism and realism. DEM's haven't even nominated a candidate yet. By the way in case you're wondering, yes, our favorite west Indian founding, father, Alexander, Hamilton, and his wife Elisa. Schuyler. Are Schuyler Hamilton's grandparent's While Alex, checked out over half a century ago Eliza died ten years back. But. Let's not get distracted. The Democrats are out in Chicago and about ready to nominate the presidential candidate that Lincoln assumes will beat him. Let's see how that plays out. As the Democrats gathering the Windy City to start their national convention on on Ninth Eighteen Sixty four the I have to sort out a platform. Now most party members across the nation are war Democrats they won't fight for emancipate, but they will fight for union even amidst their war fatigue. That's not reflected in how the platform comes together though. Remember, Clement. The Landing Ham, the former congressman from Ohio whom Ambrose burnside arrested in episode fifty nine for talking crap about Lincoln. Well Clement and his neck beard are both back from his eighteen, sixty four banishment to the confederacy and he and his fellow Peace Democrats are ready to fight for a platform of their liking at this convention. With disproportionate convention representation and a willingness to fight that belies their name. The Peace Democrats get four out of the seven votes on the subcommittee forming the Party's platform. They use it to attack the Lincoln Administration and cramming extreme peace platform down the party's throat. Pennsylvanian. Committee. Secretary William Wallace reads it aloud at the convention. Silence fills the massive amphitheater as he begins. Then he reaches the platform second plank or war failure plink as it's no. Resolved that after four years of failure to restore the union by the experiment of war during which under the pretense of a military necessity or war power higher than the Constitution the Constitution itself has been disregarded in every part and public liberty and private, right? Alike, wadden. thousand-strong course of convention attendants drowns out the secretary's voice. When the reading is finally finished convention falls over itself in approving it. As War Democrats Samuel Cocks, his head drops in despair. Let me sum up the platform for you. It's dressed up in pretty words but this thing basically says, the dams are game for an unconditional armistice to negotiate peace. It doesn't even maintain that preserving the union is essential. Republican New Yorker George Templeton strong reacts to the platform by writing. Quote. Jefferson Davis might have drawn. The word rebel does not occur in it. It contemplates surrender and abasement. Close quote. Wow And that ladies and gents is a perfect example of why the Peace Dan's are derogatorily called copperheads. Their positions are traders is of many. Even within their own party. So, who did they nominate as their man to carry out this copperhead platform as president of these factors states. None other than George, b McClellan. Yes the former union general in chief and General of the Army of the Potomac Aka Little Mac Aka, the general who always thought himself far more intelligent and capable than the president. Even as old uncle Abe fired him. Handsome Moustachioed. Unemployed Little Mac doesn't personally attend the convention, but his nomination isn't shocker either he's still popular even with a minor challenge from Connecticut. Governor Thomas Seymour Little Mac cruises to absentee victory in the first round of votes on August thirty first. Okay. Popular guy gets the nomination I get that. But they have a major problem here. The convention just created the most Peace Democrat platform possible then place arguably the most famous forward general in the nation on the ticket. Yet little MAC might not care about him. That's a patient, but he's a war Democrat through and through. Own, just to make sure things stay as awkward and contradictory as possible. The convention then nominates Ohio staunch peace Democrat George Pendleton as VP. Talk about strange bedfellows. Still things look bad for Lincoln and Democrats are confident. Little. Mac appears poised to exact revenge on. Lincoln for firing him. As his party puts it while campaigning. Old Abe removed McClellan. Will Remove Old Abe. But. Then the great changes Lincoln Rightly told Schuyler Hamilton would have to come for him to win the election suddenly start happening. As. You likely recall from the last episode William Tecumseh Sherman or COMP as we. Know. HIM TAKES ATLANTA. He does so only one day after little Max nomination. Comes victory is such a devastating blow to the PSA southern dyers Mary Boykin Chestnut predicts in its aftermath that. Quote. We are going to be wiped off the earth. Close quote. As, this news makes its way north in the coming days cannon in Union city's Fire One, hundred gun salutes and celebration. Comes Victory Gives Union Admiral David. Farragut August victory at Mobile Alabama new meaning as well. Union wins now seem to be piling up on each other like falling dominoes especially as Union General Phil. Sheridan. Out in the Shenandoah Valley bests confederate General Jubal early at the battles of third winchester. Fisher's hill between September nineteenth and the twenty second. Phil also destroys this breadbasket of the confederacy. In order to prevent the fertile lands of Shenandoah from continuing to feed the army. General. U S grant has to fill to go scorched earth on it and the thirty something gentle thousand this order to the letter. The people must be left with nothing, but there is to weep with over the war. Fill Instructs Zeman. Literally, thousands of southern farmers watched their barns livestock in livelihood go up in flames. Some of these civilians are loyal unionists or at least claim it and beg to be spared. Doesn't matter. Dan The collateral damage and the costs. Phil will lead a single grain if the reds. This. Total war. The fall we month Jubal early manages to strike back. He does. So well, fill is attending meetings nearly one hundred miles east in the US, capitol? WASHINGTON? City. Moving out before dawn with thick fog, the Virginia general and his men fall on Phil's men as they sleep. Cedar Creek. The ripped from their sleep blue clad soldiers suffer losses, scatter they fall back three miles at morning. Jubal doesn't press his advantage though instead he lets us fatigued famished troops breakfast in the wake of their seemingly easy morning victory. Big Mistake. UNBEKNOWNST to be confederate General Phill back from DC he spent the night only fifteen miles north of Winchester Virginia. Getting word of the battle below he mounts his skied and charges to see. His broken bruised men cheered his arrival, the Union general response with tough love inspiration. Goddamn you don't share me you love your country come up to the front. There's a lot of fighting you men yet. Come Up. Guy Dan you come up. And come up they do. That afternoon fills cavalry and infantry charge taking prisoners, capturing cannon, and regaining off the ground lost that morning. They'll Sheridan becomes a legend. Jubal early. Live in infamy. David Farragut at mobile to William, tecumseh Sherman Atlanta and Phil Sheridan in the. Shenandoah. These were the victories Lincoln needed. In a matter of weeks, the flagging executive has been reborn in the eyes of the north as their stalwart commander. The past seems to clear all the more for him as John the Pathfinder Fremont gives up his third party bid for the Presidency on September twenty second. But one question remains is all of this enough to capture the votes of moderates. It is especially since the dams offer a piece platform with a war Democrat candidate, it confuses moderate Republicans and war. Democrats. Unwilling to yield a reunification. Too Little Max credit he refuses the Peace Platform. I could not have run on that platform. I would not do so for a thousand presidencies. He tells Daniel. Cox. He also says as much in his September eighth letter accepting his party's nomination. I could not look in the faces of comrades of the army. Navy and tell them that their labors and the sacrifice of our slain and wounded brethren had been in vain. The having a Democratic candidate who disagrees with his own party's platform is just too confusing. People can't split. The difference is one Republican campaigner brilliantly put it. Quote neither you nor I nor the Democrats themselves can tell whether they have a piece platform or a war platform. Close quote. Meanwhile Union soldiers who once fought proudly under little MAC have lost their trust in him when Army of the Potomac soldier from Vermont who called himself a McClellan. Cleared the bone said he quote? Couldn't vote for little MAC on the Chicago Platform. Rather, than have peace by surrendering to the rebels, I would let my bones men newer the soil of Virginia. Close. Quote. Damn. Moderates might not care about him as a patient, but they stand firm on preserving the union. Soldiers. Received furloughs to vote or take advantage of absentee ballots. The collectively give Uncle Abe nearly eighty percent of their votes. And so for the first time since Andrew Jackson, the United States relax its president in. November. Lincoln receives fifty five percent of the popular vote to little. Max Forty Five. But it's far worse for the former general in the electoral college. Where really matters? Lincoln Beats Him Two hundred twelve to twenty one. Across the twenty five states including the newly formed state of Nevada had to telegraph in its state constitution in order to participate. Lincoln takes twenty two of them. Little. Mac only wins the border states of Kentucky and Delaware and Home State New Jersey. I suppose. Lincoln was right that the election would result in someone being beaten badly. He's just wrong about which candidate that would be. From the Thirteenth Amendment Mats and more. We still have a number of important civil war against cover. Let's see this election through. What's inaugurate. Lincoln. It's march fourth eighteen, sixty five the morning is wet and windy in Washington city. But no amount of bad weather and muddy roads can take away from the capital's excitement. Today is Lincoln's second inauguration. The ceremony starts with swapping out of vice presidents in the packed. Senate chamber. Outgoing VP Hannibal Hamlin delivers a beautiful farewell. Then incoming Andrew Johnson rises. From the gallery to the seats on the floor, the audience can't help notice the redness of his full cheeks in prominent knows as well as his lack of balance. Then things get worse. He speaks. Rambling. incoherently. He boasts of his accomplishments and pointedly addresses several people in the room. What's the name of the Secretary of the Navy? He asks as he tries to address the cabinet member. Johnson. is either drunk or crazy forgotten. Navy secretary Gideon Welles whispers to War Secretary Edwin Stanton. Gideon's right. Andrew who can't hold his liquor to begin with help themselves to some nerve suiting whiskey right before the ceremony. Lincoln's face shows trepidation do not let Johnson speak outside he whispers to the Parade Marshal as Andrew takes his oath of office. And thankfully, the TIPSY VP won't take away from the main event. The ceremony now moves outside to the US capitals, east front, and what a sight it is to see. The Capitol building is gorgeous. No scaffolding encloses in under construction dome at was the case at Lincoln's first inauguration. Now. The is drawn up to the nearly twenty foot tall bronze statue of freedom as she stands atop the building's long labored over dome. Beneath this is the east fronts, columned portico, and of course, the long staircase leading up to the capital. A. Temporary Platform has maybe stairs a stage. This is where the ceremony will take place. Fifty thousand excited Americans including Frederick Douglass. Watches, their bearded gangly executive walks to the platforms. Front. What seems an act of the divine? The clouds part in the sun shines down just as a sergeant at arms silence the and so their president may deliver his second inaugural address. Lincoln. Doesn't exult over the unions victories in the preservation of the nation. Instead. He speaks plainly of the role slavery has played in the war. He doesn't lay all the blame on the south though. Instead Lincoln notes northern or least willingness to abide its existence. Even calling the war, a punishment from God for two Hundred Fifty Years of American slavery from the colonial era to the present. But he will let God you the judging. Lincoln ends by calling reconciliation. forgiveness. In. Healing. He Bells this out his unique high pitched voice. fellow-countryman. On the occasion corresponding to this poor years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to be impending civil war. All. Dreaded it. All sought to avert it. Slaves constituted a peculiar powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate and extended interest was the object for which the insurgents would randy union even by war of the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial large amount of it. Fondly do we hope fervently do we pray that this mighty scourge of war makes speedily pass away? Yet. If God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bonds bondsman two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword. So, still it must be said. The judgments of the Lord. Are True and righteous altogether. With malice toward none with charity for all. With firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right. Let us strive on to finish the work we are in. To bind up the nation's wounds to care for him, who shall have borne the battle for his widow and his orphan to do all, which be achieve and cherish and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations. Though generally well received some. Specially copperheads or Peace Democrats don't love the speech. It's a bit too honest. But that's what you get with honesty. The speech concluded Chief Justice Salmon Chase administers the oath of office. The people cheer the band strikes up and cannons fire salutes. Daddy. Public reception is held at the White House. Black. Americans have never attended such events as guests but Frederick Douglass was so moved by that honest speech, he wants to complement his well there he safe friend. The president. Besides do black men not fight in the army now. It's slavery not ending with a thirteenth constitutional amendment in the works. He makes the track to sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. As. He enters two guards roughly season of pushing away stand back the yell claiming they have orders not to admit people frejus collar. Frederick doesn't believe them. There must be some mistake for no such order could have emanated from. President Lincoln. The famed abolitionist assures them. The guard still refuse them. At this point, a man walking in recognizes the famous abolitionist. Frederick asked him to tell Lincoln of his predicament. The gentleman does so and within minutes, the guards who never received such orders by the way are forced to let Frederick in the White House. Hundreds of well-wishers enhance Shakers Throng Lincoln in the East round. How many I wonder agreed with the guards and the black man like Frederick has no place here. Lincoln doesn't stop to think about those political considerations. The moment he sees Frederick in the reception line the Illinois Rail Splitter calls out leading all in loud boisterous room here him. Here comes my friend Douglas. I am glad to see you. The President, tells Frederick. His hand I saw you in the crowd today listening to my inaugural address. How did you like it? Mr Lincoln High Must Not Detain you with my poor opinion when there are thousands waiting to shake hands with you Frederick Dreamers no choice. Stop a little Douglas. There's no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know if you think of it. Mr Lincoln. That was a sacred effort. I am glad you. Frederick fields in honored as he walks away from Lincoln's reception line. Truly. President Abraham Lincoln is his friend. But little this Frederick now that's. Within a matter of weeks. He'll be eulogizing the murdered president. History that doesn't stop is created and hosted by me Greg Jacks. Thirteen writing by Greg Jackson and Seal Salazar production by airship sound design by Derek. 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78: The Indian Wars Part 2: The Battle of the Little Bighorn (the Greasy Grass)

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78: The Indian Wars Part 2: The Battle of the Little Bighorn (the Greasy Grass)

"History that doesn't suck as a bi weekly podcast delivering legit seriously researched hard hitting survey of american history through entertaining stories. If you'd like to support hdfs or enjoy some perks like ad free early. Releases or patron exclusive mini episodes. Please consider giving at patriotic dot com forward slash history that doesn't suck to keep up with. Hdd s news. Follow us on facebook twitter or instagram. It's the afternoon of june twenty fifth. Eighteen seventy six as many as a thousand lakota. Cheyenne and arapaho village sprawl across the prairie. It's six to eight thousand. Inhabitants are enjoying a relaxing day. You're currently at war with the united states. But no one is expecting an attack presently. Us troops should be at least a day's travel out. Women are preparing food and chatting. Young men are watering their ponies. Playing hoop and pole gain still others are sleeping in after a late night of salvatori dancing as the hot afternoon. Sun beats down. Kids are swimming in the river at the villages edge these tribes and many other indigenous peoples of the great plains. Call it the greasy grass. You might know by another name though the little big horn river but the mood of leisure comes to an end around three pm. They're charging the charges are coming. A messenger yells scared and still make it from swimming. Children run back to camp searching for their mothers. The mothers dash around searching for children fathers young man scramble for their opponents and guns approximately one hundred fifty men one hundred thirty or so cavalry by to crow and twenty plus or recruit scouts charged north and downriver toward the lakota cheyenne village. Indigenous scouts are in the league and begin to gather lakota and cheyenne horses to prevent their use in battle at the same time battalion. Commander major marcus. A reno his blue clad troops to stop all prepare to fight on foot. This mount he hollers with every fourth man holding horses the cavalry skirmish line a quarter mile or so short villages southern end. It's a wise choice. They're grossly outnumbered but in truth. The major in his men don't know that yet. So why the caution well some like sergeant charles white will later. Report that marks and other officers have been hit in the flask. Pretty hard so. The decision is more likely born of whiskey than wisdom but whatever the cause the major fears. He's charging into a trap. They'll approach on foot. Multiple things now happened at once to rookie cavalryman who couldn't dismount or control. They're scared galloping. Horses fly into the village. They're pulled down and killed. Meanwhile the cavalry's indigenous scouts find a group of women and children in a wooded area near the river. They killed ten of them. Unaware of this unsure what to make of the cavalry sudden dismount. Lakota spiritual leader sitting bull rides out to see if he can parlay piece bullets ripped through both good bear boys legs and symbols beloved grey horse the bereaved spiritual leader calls to his man. My best horses shot. It is likely they have shot me attack them. The two sides exchanged fire guns crack. More village defenders gathered soon as many as five hundred lakota and cheyenne warriors are engaged in cavalry. They still from the open. Prairie into the trees near the river's western hatch as a three forty five pm fighting's drawn to a stalemate but that's about to change with his body covered in yellow warpaint and dots of light. A lakota leader charges out. He's armed with a stone. Headed war club and winchester carbine. Think short barreled rifle excited. Cry goes through the village crazy. Horse's coming legend in his own right on the battlefield crazy horse rise before his fellow lakota. An allied cheyenne urging them to save their shop. He wants to let the cavalry fire until their guns overheat in jam up with this new strategy they wait as the cavalry continued fire after several minutes crazy horse's satisfied it's time to attack yells out to those with him. Here are some of the soldiers after us do your best and let us kill them all off today that they need trouble us. No more already charge cook ahead. Hundreds of lakota and cheyenne galp forward. Despite having suffered hardly any casualties cavalry still on the prairie. Start to buckle. This includes battalion commander. Marcus reno whom fred gerard watches back while still throwing it back to quote fred. I saw him put a bottle of whiskey to his mouth and drink the whole contents crazy horse. Other leaders and fellow fighters follow the cavalry into the trees. It's a full on malay. According to flying hawk the dust was thick and we could hardly see we got right. Among the soldiers killed a lot with our bows and arrows. Tomahawks crazy horse was ahead of all and he killed a lot of them with his war club amid the fierce fighting the shot rips through the head of an rigorous scout blooding exiting his skull. The bullet showers major marcus reno and the dead scouts blood bone fragments and brains. Any of you men who wish to make your escape. Follow me the shot. Rain and blood splattered inebriated. Beatrix desperately calls out. Those are here mount their horses and follow while others on but crazy. Horse's pushing for decisive. Come on die with me. It's a good day to die. Cowards to the rear he exclaims with renewed effort and is man pursued. The fleeing cavalry firing bullets and arrows alike. The lakota cheyenne pickoff. Cavalry men with ease splash into the little big horn river. After their commander one warrior will lay. Recall and i quote it was like chasing buffalo upon reaching the little bighorn eastern bank. The blue clad soldiers horses slipped and scramble as they send steep clay covered slope. Finally they reached the relative safety of hilltop exhausted. Cavalryman immediately dig rifle pits and fire a few shots some cries. They look down on their dead in the river and woods below. They've lost thirty two troupes three officers. Three civilians and to recruit scouts still more missing and thirteen of the roughly one hundred cavalry men on this hill or wounded. Yeah this didn't go as planned the lakota and cheyenne have their own dead to mourn. Ten women and children and eleven fighting than nine lakota to tucson but at least they have successfully defended their village and families. You've missed the fight. Short bowl says the crazy horse teasing for missing the first twenty minutes of the battle. Sorry to miss the fight crazy horse answers with a laugh then somber tone overtakes pointing north continues. There's a good fight. Come over the hill. Data with a big fight is going to be will not miss that one crazy horse's planning to a large group of caverns miles on the distance. It's led by a call long hair. But you might know the lieutenant colonel by his giving me george armstrong custer Welcome to history. That doesn't suck. I'm you professor. Greg jackson liked to tell you the story today. We have the story of one of the best known battles of the indian wars the battle of the little bighorn also known as the battle of the greasy grass but you may know it by a term that romanticize the last moments of the seventh cavalry's commander custer's last and why did this battle even happen well from treaties to black hills gold. I'll give you that important background as we examine this battle. That is a part of the great sioux war as we go. I'll introduce you to some important indigenous nations as well as key players. George armstrong custer sitting bull crazy horse. Then we'll get to the battle itself and of course contextualized. What happens to george custer in his then finally we get to one last sad chapter the suffering of the lakota cheyenne and arapaho and the battles aftermath. We have a lot to do so. Let's head back nearly a decade to the eighteen sixty eight and later self so we can follow how this fateful battle ever came to be. You know how we do that rewind indigenous groups. On america's great plains live the life many twentieth and twenty first century. americans will mistakenly attribute to all american indians they live. Tv's follow the buffalo and make horse riding art that said you'll find a rich variety of languages cultures friends and enemies here. We're going to interact with at least four such groups meaningfully in this episode. Let me introduce some of them. I'll start with the largest group. The sioux nations lakota people. Do you remember my explanation of the su- during the last episode. No worries if you don't here's a quick refresher in mid nineteenth century. America the su- divided into three major groups going from east to west. They are the dakota originally of minnesota now in eastern dakota territory as you likely recall from last time then comes the nakata who live more centrally in the dakota territory just east of the missouri river and finally the lakota. This group spans the western portion of the dakota territory and continues well into wyoming territory a population of perhaps twenty thousand the lakota. Roughly half of the entire sue population. The lakota also further divided into seven smaller and quite independent subgroups. I won't listen right here. I realized that could get a little overwhelming to remember in a single episode. But when you later hear me describe lakota. Say crazy horse as an oglala lakota. You'll know the adjective is subgroup. Likewise keep in. Mind that when you hear sue that could be him for the lakota or a reference to them coupled with other groups context will be key. Got that locked in sweet. We're golden next. we have the cheyenne the arapaho. The cheyenne or an algorithm speaking people originally from the great lakes region conflict with other indigenous groups and white settlers alike. Push them onto the great plains. Here bumped into the entirely distinct and separate arapahoe people in time. These two peoples developed a unique sign language that came to be used by various great plains tribes to overcome linguistic barriers. The cheyenne and arapaho fought together against the westward. Moving lakota for control of the game filled mountain range located in the western portion of the future state of south dakota. These mountains are known as the black hills but that conflict is well in the past by the mid-nineteenth century. The lakota have enjoyed firm control over the black hills for several decades and consider this mountain range to be sacred. Meanwhile the cheyenne and arapaho have split or are splitting into northern and southern bands the northern cheyenne and northern. Arapaho are. the ones will follow today and by this point. They've allied with their former. Fo- the lakota. But that doesn't mean. Conflict has disappeared from the great plains are fourth and final indigenous nations the crow and they are enemies of the lakota. Both claims seeing territory near the powder river basin and future wyoming otherwise defined the crow west of the lakota and north of the northern shan. Roughly at montana territory southern border. I realize that was a lot of new information. Just remember that. By this point the lakota northern cheyenne and northern arapaho are allied together. And they in the our enemies. If you've got your good so now. Let's start to trace the current conflict between the lakota alliance and the united states. It's april twenty ninth eighteen. Sixty eight leaders from the lakota. Northern arapaho and the united states are gathered at fort laramie and what is just months away from being organized as wyoming territory. They're here sign. A treaty. now leaders from these and several other indigenous tribes allies and enemies alike signed another treaty with the us near this same four back in eighteen fifty one. It said the united states may build forts in native american territory. Guarantee settlers safe passage along the oregon trail and find territory between all parties but it failed miserably. After the discovery of gold and soon to be montana territory by eighteen sixty three droves gold seeking settlers began breaking from the oregon trail at fort laramie to follow the new bozeman trail. Six hundred mile path of urgent city montana right through crow and lakota disputed territory. The crew didn't really mind in american presence as reinforced. The treaty saying this land was. There's the lakota this as a threat. Became all the more real after cavalry. Colonel john shiffman and his men massacred some two hundred of the lakota. Cheyenne and arapaho allies in colorado on november twenty ninth eighteen sixty four. I don't use that word lightly. Sand creek wasn't a battle. Most of those killed were women and children. The army used cheyenne and arapaho toddlers for target practice. Captain silas soule who refuse to participate or lead. His men participate later testified against the colonel and was murdered shortly thereafter. If not a direct factor in oglala lakota leader clouds choice to lead a coalition to war against the us army in not yet formed wyoming territory. The massacre may help explain red cloud's own heavy tactics on twenty first eighteen sixty six that day. Ten indigenous soldiers drew eighty-one. Us troops to ambush. They then slew. Every single man horrified. Us citizens called it. A massacre the lakota. Cheyenne arapaho called it a battle. Whatever you call it. Red cloud not only one day. He won the war so now in eighteen. Sixty eight red. Cloud's war has brought on this new treaty. It establishes the great sioux reservation. Which is roughly the western. Half of what will eventually become. The state of south dakota crucially. It includes lakota. Sacred black hills it also shuts down the bozeman trail. The cuts through which is just west of the newly designated. Great sioux reservation is now dubbed unseeded. Territory it's a bit of a knife in the back to the crow considering that the last treaty designated much of this as theirs and they stood by the united states but to real win for red cloud and his allies finally the treaty says no additional land may be seated to the us by future treaty. Unless and i quote signed by at least three fourths of all the adult male indians close quote although a considerably smaller territory than what the lakota and larger sioux nation have previously claimed many indigenous leaders. See this as their best. Current option. Several lakota nakada and arapahoe leaders sign or make their acts which may or may not indicate a full understanding of the document between april and november. Us dignitaries sign as well. This includes us civil war hero. Well here at the north william tecumseh sherman but not all lakota. Cheyenne and arapaho leaders. Teeth like red cloud some like sitting bull and crazy horse refused to trust the united states reject treaty in its boundaries if. Us leaders want these non treaty lakota to stay on the rez. We'll have to do it by force. it's now eighteen. Seventy four and the non treaty likud and our allies are really frustrating philip sheridan. I know it seems like every time we turn around this. Us civil war hero again. Here to the north is in our post civil war episodes. It's true the short bail chested handlebar moustache. General bounces from reconstructing the south to the any wars. So here we are again with phil now as i said. He's frustrated since non tree. Lakota do not recognize the eighteen. Sixty eight agreement. They're continuing about their life without concern for its boundaries this means rating in fighting against their indigenous enemy the pony as well as white sellers and others and falls with the union pacific railroad on land. These lakota do not recognize a seated. It doesn't help. That phil has no particular love for native americans. The war in general is alleged to have once declared quote. The only good indians i ever saw were dead. Close quote thankfully. His answer to this situation is more measured than that rhetoric. I thought it would be the best policy for the government surround this reservation by large military posts to ultimately keep the indians within its bounds and the white people from encroaching on its limits. Fill likes rules clear. Expectations and compliance using coercive means to keep the lakota in in white settlers. Out sounds great to him he calls on one of his favorite subordinates. From the civil war years to scout out a location for four in the black hills. This is george armstrong custer. We first met george back episode sixty at the eighteen. Sixty three battle of gettysburg. But let me get you up to speed with him. The thin blue eyed long and curly. Haired mustaschioed cavalry. Commander made a name for himself in the civil war. It was one of his men. Mortally wounded the famous and feared confederate. General jeb stuart. At the battle of yellow tavern episode sixty four george gained a reputation for bravery in risk taking that tended to work out an appreciated trait on the battlefield. Though deeply in love none of that lets up when he marries. Elizabeth libbie bacon in february eighteen. Sixty four as phil. Sheridan observed only a few weeks after the ceremony. Custer you're the only man who matrimony has not spoiled for a charge like many successful union commanders and officers. The end of the civil war didn't mean piece for the seemingly always lucky george armstrong custer. It only meant a new theater of war in eighteen. Sixty six georgia sent. West as a newly commissioned lieutenant colonel in the seventh us calorie native americans of the great plains came to know george better than they'd like in eighteen sixty eight while pursuing a war party in indian territory future oklahoma. His osage indian scouts determine that they'd entered the primarily cheyenne village so on the morning of november twenty seventh. George ordered an attack. I can't give you an accurate death. Toll all i can tell you for sure. Is that southern cheyenne leader black kettle and his wife medicine. Woman both die from being shot back. Seven cavalry killed an unspecified number of women and children as well. Six hundred seventy five horses and when neighboring indigenous villages came to help georgia's men retreated by using hostages as human shields. George called to battle the battle of wash atop river. The cheyenne called it. A massacre so now in the summer of eighteen. Seventy four georgia's leading this expedition to sort out a place for four in the black hills. This is no small affair. He's got almost one thousand soldiers. Gatling guns sixty one rick. Ross scouts whose people are sworn enemies of the lakota and like any expedition a handful of newspaper reporters and academics. He's also got to minors dan. That's quite the crew. How many guys does it take to find a suitable location for a fort. And that's where things get a bit. Sketch georgia's official task is to locate a good spot for a fort. But is he looking for gold to afford is arguably legitimate under the eighteen. Sixty treaty looking for gold is not an newspapers across the nation are about the latter. Here's the baltimore sun's july twenty fifth eighteen seventy four headline quote looking for gold. Custer's exploring expedition close quote. The boston advertiser also thinks this expedition is less about a fort and more about wealth but it's writers have sympathy for the lakota. Decries the expedition as quote a continuation of the long course of bad faith which the united states has consistently pursued in its dealings with the redman. Close quote. i can't tell you if it's july thirty first or early august sources conflict but it's during that week that georgia's to minors try panning for gold in the black hills french creek and at some point. Yeah they find gold. One of the original scouts looks on utterly confused. Why are these men's screaming jumpings. Throwing their hats in the air. Even dancing talking to private effort he wonders if the mountain spirits have done something to these guys know the private explains their excitement is of a much more terrestrial or whatever intentions. We do. Don't ascribe to george custer's expedition. The discovery of gold brings on a gold rush already suffering through a severe recession since last year. American citizens flocked to the black hills. Soon general philip. Sheridan can't kick miners out of the black hills half as fast as they arriving that means the united states now failing to uphold the fort laramie treaty of eighteen. Sixty eight president ulysses s. Grant's first reaction is to make this right not surprising. Considering this is the first president to name an american indian. Ely parker as the commissioner of the bureau of indian affairs as we learned in episode seventy four further. His peace policy is predicated upon success of the reservation system. He wants this to work you. Liz offers to buy the black hills from the sioux nation for six million dollars. That's not going to fly. Remember the soup. Consider the black hills to be sacred. This is their faith. Might as well asked by the vatican jerusalem mecca. Some things just aren't for sale. Meanwhile secretary of the interior columbus delano tells the president that while. His office wishes to honor the treaty. It would also quote us every effort possible to extinguish the indian title to the black hills country in open the same to settlement and for minerals at the earliest day. Practicable close quote. Sounds like the grant administration is talking out both sides of it's mouth at least until november third eighteen. Seventy five a meeting with his top brass. Convinces you list that the military is incapable of enforcing the eighteen sixty treaty by keeping white settlers out of the black hills with that bleak perspective list says the military will stop even trying because doing so quote only increased to dare the miners desires and complicated. Troubles close quote. Meanwhile you will enforce the treaty on the sieve. Even those lakota and allied bands that never signed or accepted the treaty. Agents are sent to tell them that if they don't relocate to the great sioux reservation by january thirty first eighteen seventy six they will be considered quote unquote hostile. Well non treaty. Lakota like sitting bull crazy horse and thousands of others won't be reporting to the rise instead frustrated lakota on the reservation begin leaving to join them. The group is still in the treaties. Unseated suit territory. But that isn't the res- which means the united states government dubs them as hostile on february first and so as white sellers continue to violate the eighteen. Sixty eight treaty the. Us army moves out to force this burgeoning band of lakota and allies onto the reservation defined by that same treaty. Thus begins the great sioux war of eighteen. Seventy six strategically the. Us military's plan is simple led by seasoned civil war vets. Three armies will move against the various bands of non treaty indians in a pincer movement that converges on them in unseated territory. General george crook's column will march north from wyoming. Territory's fort fetterman coming from montana territory. Colonel john gibbons column will depart from four ellis marching east and crucially general alfred. Terry's calm will march west from dakota territory's fort abraham lincoln with him as the us seventh. Cavalry its commander as you know is the already famous civil war hero lieutenant colonel george armstrong custer but simple. Plans do not equate execution starting march. First general george crook's nearly seven hundred men move up the bozeman trail little over. Two weeks later cavalry. Donald j j reynolds spot horse tracks near the powder river that lead them to a cheyenne village. On the frigid subzero morning of march seventeenth is men attack. Cheyenne fighter tells us that quote women's screened sheldon cried for their mother's old people tottered away to get out of reach of the bullets singing among the lodges quote with leaders urging them to fight like men two hundred fifty or so warriors attained high grounded. Hold back the almost four hundred cavalryman for hours. As the village escapes the battle of black powder river claims few lives about four cavalryman four american indian warriors it also helps push the non treaty indians together with their camp destroyed. This shyam ban trudges through the freezing temperatures to crazy. Horse's oglala lakota village seeing the his village is too small to take care of so many crazy horse breaks camp and leads both groups to a far larger village of honk. Papa and many kanju lakota. Its leaders sitting bull. Meanwhile more reservation dwelling native americans are deciding to throw in with their non treaty. Brethren remember that combined lakota cheyenne-arapaho village. I told you about in this episode's opening well it's starting to form. Meanwhile general george crook has little choice but to retreat back to fort fetterman in other words all his quickly court martialed colonel manage to do is fill the lakota and their allies with resolved fight. It will be a few months before the next battle says the three columns move and the non treaty indian village swells. Let me officially introduce you to our two. Most famous lakota leaders sitting bull crazy horse born in or around eighteen. Thirty one sitting bull is a. Honk papa lakota. He acquired his name or rather this name as a teenager by counting coup in a battle against the crow in other words he exposed himself to great danger by getting in close quarters touching an enemy warrior than writing off. It's a deadly gamble. But american indians of the great plains value the move as a display of bravery and skill. So that's how he earned the name sitting bull and by the eighteen sixties. This handsome strong george. Straight mouth lakota. Quite the name for himself among his people sitting bull deeply values liberty and freedom to quote him all agency. Indians i have seen are worthless now. We are poor but we are free close quote and now by eighteen seventy six thousands of lakota cheyenne and other allies. Look to the non treaty. Resistor sitting bull for their spiritual political leadership. There are many other important leaders. Working with sitting bull like fellow. Hung pop lakota. Chief gal oglala lakota. Hey dog or the cheyenne leaders. Lame white man and two moons but the most famous figure working with sitting bull at this point is crazy. Horse the details of crazy horse's childhood or than clear. He was born somewhere around eighteen. Forty two parents from two different lakota bands and lived among at least a third nonetheless associated with his. Father's band the oglala lakota. There are a few different accounts of how he acquired his name. But when i find the most convincing is that as a teenager he returned from a battle with another tribal with two scalps overcome with pride at the skill and bravery this displayed his father. Who has already named crazy. Horse gave his own name to his young son. His skill and shrewd battle tactics are proven again and again in battle against enemy tribes and the united states. For instance. remember. When i told you that. Ten warriors lert william fetterman and eighty other. Us troops to their deaths during red cloud's war. Well crazy horse was one of those ten choices off. The battlefield aren't so great a few years ago he ran off with a married woman. Her husband been shot crazy horse in the face. Miraculously he survived. The whole event was scandalous in crazy horse lost status with his people but he's still a leader of sorts. I mean the young looking warrior with a curiously light complexion in hair down to his hips is simply unmatched on the battlefield. No one can overlook that in these perilous times and so in eighteen. seventy six. as winter gives way to spring sitting bull's non treaty village continues to grow as lakota cheyenne and arapaho flock to it soon enough. It consists thousands of people including some two thousand or so warriors and in june. The good spiritual sign with the village camping by the rosebud. Victory over the begins the two day to night ritual sundance on june sixth. This is an annual ritual of purification and common among many of the people in the great plains. But it's especially important this year given the conflict ahead sitting bull purifies in a sweat lodge. He carries out the pipe ceremony. One hundred small pieces of flesh are cut from his arms as he praised to the walkin tonka or as white americans understand it the great spirit. He faints while dancing has a vision of down earless soldiers and their horses falling into the midst of liquidity bees when he comes to sitting bull sacrifices of buffalo and interprets his dream. The village will enjoy great victory but the missing ears mean they're warriors must have stained from taking any prizes off the debt villages elated in victory soon cons after a few smaller skirmishes crazy horse leads some one thousand or so warriors out to meet general george crook. Yes after getting lick retreating this past winter. he's already heading northward into the unseeded territory crazy. Horse's army rides fifty miles through the night of june sixteenth to carry out a sneak attack and it works on the morning of the seventeenth. The lakota cheyenne army descends upon us troops and their crow and shoshoni allies for three hours the approximately equal in size armies ballot out mid the fighting cheyenne man loses his war pony. Right in front of us forces the perilous position is fellow warriors. Assume he's a goner. Well all the his sister that is ready to risk all for her siblings buffalo calf road woman rights straight into enemy fire rabs and pulls him onto her steve gallops off to safety for that act of bravery and display of great plains indian. Horsemanship the lakota. Cheyenne army names. The engagement after her calling it the battle where the young girl saved her brother the. Us will name it. after nearby. the battle of the rosebud the non treaty indian army since general. George crook's column on the retreat. Is this the victory sitting bull for saw. Something so others aren't so sure. Casualties were low on both sides. Shouldn't the victory be a bit more definitive well. There are two things american indian forces. Don't know i just deflected one of three armies ruining the planned three-way pincer movement second a far larger engagement with a different. Us army is only week away. The massive non treaty indian village now includes people from all seven bands of the lakota. And plenty of cheyenne rapa. They've moved as well. They're thousand or so teepees now. Stretch out a full mile along the greasy grass river's western bank or the little bighorns western bank. Kick your name. The dance nightly celebrating their recent victory. The village knows there's another army approaching from the east but few of heart from the prayerful sitting bull are worried about it. They're sure the army still full days march away. At least that's right. We're back to where this episode opened the army approaching. The village is the seventh u s. Cavalry yes lieutenant. Colonel george armstrong custer's unit his commanding officer general. Alfred terry has sent the long curly haired cavalryman down to the little bighorn river's headwaters with hopes he and his roughly six hundred men can pursue the non treaty indian village. Downriver that is north in into the us military's waiting arms now approaching noon on june twenty fifth. The seventh calories crow scouts found the villages path. Last night in georgia's had them on the march since unfortunately for him he's been brought to his attention. That some cheyenne warriors have also found his trail determined not to let this village slip away. George figures he has to attack immediately and to that end he now splits his forces now. Both george top subordinate commanders. Major marcus reno. And captain frederick bending dislike him maybe even hate him especially frederick. He's never forgiven. George relieving a friend of his for dead back ouachita in eighteen sixty eight but personal relations notwithstanding frederic pantene in his hundred fifteen men are to go farther south west and make sure there aren't any other non treaty indian camps down that way. If frederick doesn't find anything he's to hook back up with the rest of the army immediately. The crow scout advises george not to divide his men. But he won't listen. He sends frederick small battalion on their way now about two thirty. George has covered several miles. And they've come upon an abandoned campsite. There's alone teepee left with the dead body of a warrior inside. The dead man passed from wounds at the battle of rosebud. That saint george crook's common retreat. But of course. George custer and his men know nothing about that. All this george knows is the campfire. Embers are still hot so the lakota cheyenne village. Can't be far. He figures he has to move. He splits his forces again. George orders marcus reno to take three companies of a hundred and fifty or so men including crow in a recruit scouts and russia had at the village. George assures marcus that he will be right behind. Sporting mitch boyer a half french canadian. Half santee dakota scout employers lieutenant colonel once more not displayed his forces. It's really is big scouts. Please falling deaf ears. Black friday has come early for this week. Only my new audio course game changers now fifty percent off on himalayan learning in audio learning platform that provides an extensive library of courses from the world's greatest minds like malcolm glad. Well tim ferriss. Seth godin and more take advantage of this discount. And learn something new this year go to himalayas dot com forward slash greg to claim your fifty percent discount. Now i hope to see you there and now back to the story. You know what happens to marcus reno. The alcoholic major liquors up and attacks half an hour later has his men. Dismount gets chased into the trees. By the little big horn river then gets chased across it and up the steep clay hill. That is the river's eastern bank by a little after four pm. His failure is as strong as his buzz but to be fair. Where george custer said. He'd support marcus's attack instead the lakota and cheyenne saw the seventh cavalry commander and his remaining forces farther down river along the hills of the eastern bank. So what's up with that by support. I don't think george custer meant. I'm right behind you. This is a. Oh how should i put this overconfident. Army three pm as marcus reno is charging across the prairie to carry out his attack. George his five companies are indeed on the hills of the river's eastern bank laying. There is on the distant lakota. Cheyenne-arapaho village imagine being one of these just over two hundred men. They look at this village of possibly eight thousand in our intimidated. In the least excited they found the indians. Hold your horses boys. George calls to his cavalryman. There are plenty of them. Down there foresaw. Orders are written for two groups. Georgia's younger brother. Captain tom custer. Nco to call the pack train. That is the hundred or so men with their supplies to come up and provide support. Go to captain. Mcdougal tell him to bring the pack train straight across the country if any pacts come loose cut them and come on quick a big indian camp. You see captain. Ben teen tell him to come quick a big indian camp george custer and his five companies continue south. Oh they are getting close to the village. Looks like there aren't even many defenders. They're all busy fighting. Marcus reno's men who at this point seem to be doing just fine. Excellent george announces. They'll descend on the village if he can make prisoners of the women and children. Well this could play out as well as the success. He had our shida back in eighteen. Sixty eight before the cheyenne got reinforcements. But he gives one more order before they move out. He tells giovanni martini to go. Get captain frederick. Banting tell him he's needed not confident. The italian immigrant turned. Us army trumpeter understands in adjutant writes the order out so he can hand it to the captain. Letter reads ben team. Come on big village. Be quick bring packs. Ps bring packs. Things get harder to recount at this point deadman tell no tales as they say so historians will never know just what george custer and his men are thinking in their final moments by. Can't tell you what the lakota and cheyenne thinking and feeling their account and military investigations. Also give us a glimpse into the calories last moments. So let's do this as best as we can the coda in cheyenne warrior. The cavalry on the bluffs. Just across the little big horn river. it's terrifying and discouraging site. The all figure they're done for sitting bull encourages them the powerfulness him and declares we are here to protect our wives and children and we must not let the soldiers get them. Make up ray fight. It's about this time. That marcus reno's attack is falling apart now in a ravine down cedar. Cooley george custer in his officers likely discuss strategy at this point do they charge the village or do they wait for reinforcements. Seems they try to have the best of both worlds captain myles keogh takes a wing composed of three companies farther north to some hills where they can watch for captain frederick banting meanwhile captain george gates is wing consisting of the other two companies goes west down medicine tail cooley. The are just across the little big horn river from the village for your sea-captain captain eaton's manned a fight. Ensues bullets and arrows fly and soon a few cavalryman drop dead in the river. Historians will later disagree on what gates his wing is doing. Is this fainting. Move or are these soldiers trying to ford the river and hit the village. I can't tell you. Just as i can't tell you which wing george custer is with a cheyenne account later say a buckskin. Clad officer is in this fight and a shot. This is george custer's wearing but it's doubtful this him. His remington rifle uses brass. Cased is not the usual copper. And let's just say we're going to find a lot of brass casings elsewhere. On the field. Either way captain gates his wing retreats sending another ravine called deep cooley. He and his men reunite with myles. Keogh swing just before five pm. Meaning george custer in his five companies are all back together on a hill as i assume considering the next move hundreds of warriors are silently moving toward his unified companies the attack sporadically at first an isolated shot strikes. Us soldier and aero seems to drop from the sky the calorie counting and see them half the time. Been the tactic sop warriors. Aero's seen guns crack. Some three hundred of them have repeating rifles. Superior to that of the cavalry. He's projectiles fall on us as cavalry like bringing they dismount. Form lines and fire back but between the night march long rides and now growing fear there shaking leaves. Were still for them. They make great targets. Stand out in their blue uniforms. On the top of the hill in warriors. Keep it here. I can almost feel the terror rising end up. I can almost hear them screaming. And i can just imagine them thinking god. Damn where is frederick ben team. George custer makes a move with a meager seventy men. He charges toward the river. We can only assume he's still thinking that you can afford it. He can take captives but he did ouachita and get this far larger army to yield. They don't even make it to the water. Cheyenne warriors unleashed more. Bullets and arrows on jordan has been flee back up the slope more than dying as they go. It's not like things are better up here. Myles keogh swing is still getting slaughtered. Captains command includes george. Custer's brother-in-law intended james kelly james and most of his men die on a hill together from now on. The graphical feature will bear his name calvin hill bulletin arrows continued rain. Those few who survived the slaughter on calhoun hill. Fleet to their wing commander. It doesn't good here. On the edge of battle ridge the cavalryman or shot down rapidly as crazy horse and sitting bull's nephew white ball charged back and forth through the blue clad ranks. The overwhelming numbers and work of death is taken reason itself from the. Us soldiers the fire in the air at the ground. Some are just frozen petrified with fear standing bear will later say. I really felt sorry for them. They look so frightened. Many of them lay on the ground with their blue eyes open waiting to be killed not all feels such sympathy more overcome with grief and rachel how they've suffered for years at the hands of the us military or even today chief gall wants blood for his two wives and three children killed just this afternoon no surrender or plea for mercy will be accepted in the words of gauls fellow. Lakota iron hawk. These white men wanted it. They called for it. And i let them have it. Can myles keogh falls dead in a literal pile of bodies. Meanwhile george custer's group is back. On top of battle ridge ban any remaining survivors. Gather on an all the created defensive barrier by shooting horses in using the bodies for cover like desperation numbering less than one hundred surrounded by even more blue-clad corpses in over a thousand code in cheyenne warriors. He's terrified man. Must know there as good as dad. This is it. This is where they'll make their last stand. Bulletin arrows continue to fly. Forty cavalryman decide to make a run for it and plead for the little bighorn. But there's no shortage of warriors to greet them as they did cut off. They run into a gold called deep ravine whether by bullet or club all of them are dead within minutes and it's not long afterward the sound and spoke of firing guns. On the grassy knoll dissipate. A warrior cries out. All of the white men are dead. I can't tell you exactly how. George custer met his end amid his brass casings. He lays on top of others at the null. The corpse has a bullet hole in the chest and left temple. He probably thought wounded for some period of time as the chest. Wound was mortal but not immediate. It may have been inflicted by the cheyenne hero of the battle of rosebud. Buffalo calf road woman the northern cheyenne will keep this under wraps for over a century but in the early twenty first century the publicly share their tradition buffalo calf road woman was the one knock george custer from his horse yet that contradicts accounts that credit spotted antelope or brave bear. So we'll never really know as for the shot through his head. Something it was. A mercy shot fired by his younger brother. Captain thomas custer after all. Tom's body lays here to only fifteen feet away from george. He may have wanted to spare his superior officer and brother from a more gruesome like the when he personally met. Tom's head has been crushed to a thickness of about one inch. He never would have been identified if not for his tattoos as the youngest custer. Brother and nephew late teens boston. Custer and henry read their among the forty who ran down the deep ravine their bodies lay in there with all. The others. Fled the null. There are no survivors. Among george custer's five companies. Of course that isn't the end of the battle or the seventh cavalry. Italian-born giovanni martini. Got the message to frederick benton. Earlier that afternoon as its battalion was coming up though it ran into what was left. Marcus reno's frederick told him about the note. But marcus said he wasn't going anywhere without more ammo which was with the still on route. Pattering unaware of how screwed the lieutenant. Colonel really was by this point. Frederick reinforced the still drinking whisky major. This catches us up to about the time. George custer's five companies are getting wiped out and now the lakota and cheyenne warriors. Come at frederick reno's position for miles. Farther south there to battalion suffered casualties but hold their positions along with the later arriving pantry soldiers until the native americans who see a large army approaching break off the attack the following evening. June twenty sixth that armies. George custer's commander general electric terry. He and his forces arrived the next day. June twenty sabbath. Their arrival may very well have saved the rest in. Us seventh cavalry so the battle of the little bighorn or the greasy grass is over but its impact on the united states and far more so on the lakota. Cheyenne and arapaho. Peoples is only just beginning. Let's unpack all of that. I the united states alfred. -tarian is men are stunned to find george custer and his five companies wiped out. Marcus reno and frederick. Benton are equally stunned when they're generals get to their position and break the news. The days soldiers start to count bodies. Us army has lost two hundred. Fifty eight men including three civilians like boston custer and has another sixty wounded compare that to just over thirty lakota and cheyenne warrior deaths in ten innocent women and children. This was an incredible american indian. Victory in us cavalry defeat yet lost in early death immortalized. George armstrong custer. He becomes a legend. American society already held him as a revered civil war hero in indian fighter a courageous man for whom things always worked out in luck never abandoned until that day georgia's men are romanticized newspapers in school. Primers which bill the fallen lieutenant colonel as a hero and a quote unquote true man within weeks of the battle in montana territory at least five dime novels hit the shelves telling me highly fictionalized glorified story of georgia's death georgia's devoted widow. Libby takes her pen and writes a three volume memoir of her soldier husband buffalo. Bill cody's wild west show. Which will tour the united states in europe at the turn of the century will reenacting glorify custer staff or rather custer's last stand but what of the lakota cheyenne and arapaho. Their decisive victory in a battle. They didn't start and fought protect. Their homelands cost them dearly. Colonel john gibbon who are mind you lead. The montana column had sympathy for the sioux native americans in general just before receiving orders to do his part in the pincer movement. He wrote this in the army and navy journal quote. What would i do if treated as the indian has been in is. I have seen one who hates an indian as he does snake and thinks there is no good indian but a dead one on having the proposition put to him. In this way grind his teeth in rage and exclaim. I would cut the heart out of everyone. I lay my hands on close quote. I think the civil war hero gotta right. It makes sense of the lakota and cheyenne not taking prisoners and frankly being brutal as iron hawk will later say while explaining how he pummeled a cavalry. Man's head with a bo. I was very mad because the women and children had run away. Scared and i was thinking about this when i did this. Killing in other words aren't hawk wasn't to use a term of the era a quote unquote savage. Who enjoyed brutality. He was a man furiously protecting his family in that. Same fury the lakota and cheyenne utah and rob. The dead cavalry now sitting bull's dream for told a great victory which people had but it also contained a warning. A voice had said the fallen soldiers were not to be touched. That's not what happens. Though as revenge is taken by many including widowed women morning their husbands in goods are stolen sitting bull sees this as a failure his nephew one bowl later. Great medicine man been proclaimed. This failure would curse his people to quote covet white people's belongings and starve at the white man's door. Close quote while. I respectfully doubt stolen guns and coffee impacted. Anything it's bit irie to see how on point symbols prophecies continued to be the outcome of the little bighorn galvanizes. Us soldiers politicians back east to crush indians and their leaders specially sitting bull and crazy horse on august fifteenth president ulysses s grant signs the su- appropriation bill though it contains increases in food payments which we should note are less kindness and more necessity. The bill also withholds payment from any indian tribes fighting the us army it further promises to withhold any food or cash payments to the lakota until they give up the unseeded territory and their reservations black hills as the over hunted for sport. Buffalo can no longer sustain them. The likud are basically left choosing between partying with moorland including their sacred black hills or starving to death. That's not much of a choice. But that's not the end of it deeply embarrassed. That indians could beat a cavalry unit so badly. Us pursues the non treaty village many of them including sitting bull flee canada for at least the next few years some stay longer. Those don't make ultimately find themselves pushed reservations. This includes crazy horse who out of options rides with nearly one thousand followers into fort robinson on may six eighteen seventy seven. He says he wants peace but knowing his skill the army actually wants to fight for them against other tribes. It's hard to know what exactly happens. But his words get translated in a meeting. Crazy horse flees but is convinced by friends and other native leaders to return to fort robinson in nebraska. Crazy horse doesn't understand. Though that england back they'll be placed in prison when this finally dons on him. Back at the fort he breaks free from the escorts harms. A fellow lakota. Little big man. He captain kennington and runs for freedom or tries. Little big man manages to grab his wrist crazy pulls hidden knife and cuts his friend stabbed. The son of a bitch stabbed the son of a bitch. Captain kennington screams a soldier bayonets. The legendary warrior moved indoors. He lays in pain for hours. And a one point man just eke out that no white man is to blame for this acclaimed the indians but whether those who convinced him to return to blame or the. Us army is the result is the same that night. September fifth eighteen seventy seven crazy horse passes away with him dies any remaining hope of sue independence but arguably the worst of the fallout from the little bighorn lands on the non treaty shan following their surrender their moved to reservations far from home out in indian territory. A place you. And i knows oklahoma in the process. Sickness and hunger infants the old in the week to the graves. It seems like a death sentence. So dole knife and little wolf lead three hundred in a desperate attempt to escape and return to their homelands. This is exhausting. They live is fugitives. In december eighteen. Seventy eight they split up little wolf continues to elude authorities. Dull knife goes with others to surrender. Taken for robinson they'll be returned to oklahoma. No dole nice group of one hundred forty nine people fuses soldiers at the four answer their refusal by refusing them food water or wood for fire to stay warm if they want any of. These life sustaining assesses. They'll have to agree to go to oklahoma. They still don't cave instead. The group tries to make a run for on january ninth. Eighteen seventy nine few succeed. In the following weeks soldiers killed sixty four of the escapees and recapture most of the rest. This is known as the fort robinson massacre. But there's one redeeming virtue in dole knife and little wolf's flight some of them do make it to their homeland and are finally permitted. Stay that's why there is a northern cheyenne reservation. Twenty-first-century month's southern. Shane will remain along with the rap. Ajo in oklahoma. Cheyenne won't be the last to make a break from a reservation and as these fights continue. Summer asking do you. 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Impeaching a President with Brenda Wineapple

Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

1:01:21 hr | 1 year ago

Impeaching a President with Brenda Wineapple

"They're looking for some technical violation, they can nail them on the man is presiding over the resurgence of white supremacist terror in the south. Think of it think of its American eighteen sixty seven seven now can you impeach somebody because there a white supremacist? Don't forget, either. It's the first ever impeachment. Nobody had gone down this road before. And there's no roadmap. There's no Google app to say you take a left turn here. Hello, and welcome to why is this happening with me, your host percents. Well, I don't know about you, but for some crazy reason, and I really don't have any explanation for it. I've been thinking a lot about impeachment recently. I know it's weird weird SO teric thing to spend your time meditating on in all seriousness. We, you know, obviously, it is a center of the political debate right now about whether the president United States has committed in the words, the constitution high crimes and misdemeanors and should be impeached, and then possibly removed from office, and I would say, ninety ninety five percent of the discussion is colored by two different previous experiences of presidential impeachment. Richard Nixon, who has never actually impeached by the house or articles of impeachment that were passed by the House Judiciary committee. And he resigned before he was actually impeached by the house, partly because it was clear is going to be impeached, and probably remove. And a bunch of Republican senators infamously walked over or you know, I don't know boss Dover. Drove over to the White House when over the White House and told Richard Nixon, you know, it's over buddy. So that's one. Right. So people think a lot about that. And we have a lot of times we'll refer to it. And John dean, who is the White House counsel under Nixon has testified before the House Judiciary committee now? And Liz Holzman who was on the House Judiciary committee, that drafted and passes articles of impeachment is on our show. That's one touch tone and the other is Clinton's impeachment, and, you know, it's interesting because in some ways, there's like different messages from them the first impeachment, Richard Nixon. I think the consensus you is like, of course, he deserved to be impatient at turned out after he was gone that, like, we learned all sorts of stuff about the rampant criminality. That was the Nixon presidency that weren't even in the articles of impeachment like they didn't know at that time that like people on the payroll of the president broke into the therapist office of Daniel Ellsberg, who published the Pentagon papers to steal the price. Therapy files. They didn't know that one of the ideas that got tossed around by the plumbers in what was called creep at the time was to maybe bomb the Brookings Institution. They didn't even know they didn't know the half of what of how criminal the entire Nixon enterprise was. And so I think history looks extremely favorably on the fact that like the special counsel pursued investigation. They pursued articles of impeachment and it led to his removal. And I think people think. Yeah, right. Good. I think Bill Clinton's probably goes the other way largely in the kind of consensus view history, which is that he didn't really deserve to get a meat, even though he did. He did lie under oath. And the impeachment was both a kind of substantive and political mistake. Right. That it represented this kind of zealous overreach, by the Republicans who were so intent on getting Bill Clinton out of office, and so motivated by their personal animus, and hatred for the man that they got out ahead of where public opinion, was and came back to bite them. Right. They infamously they lost seats in the nineteen ninety eight congressional midterms which almost never happens for the out party in those second term mid terms, and it's gone down his history. I think is like that was not a that was now smart move, and obviously, I think that haunts allow the Democrats in congress right now. But it is worth noting. There have not been to beginnings of impeachment proceedings in American president-elect three. There have been three. The first impeachment of the United States, president in which he was actually impeached by the house was Andrew Johnson in eighteen sixty eight that's the year that it was an election year. It is also three years after the end of the civil war, and after Lincoln's assassination, it was Lincoln's assassination that made intra Johnson president, he was impeached in by the house of representatives and came within one vote of removal. And it's kind of a Wild Thing to me that, that story, the first presidential impeachment, I remember being taught about it in high school. And it was just like little asterisk that was kind of like, well, it was very messy. And, you know, he was, maybe not a great die. But also the people in congress had a nutty and Mike who really who's to say, who is right. Who is wrong? And well, anyone we all moved on after that, that was basically, what that moment was taught as in high school history. It's actually way, way, way way, way more interesting way, more high stakes way more relevant to today than that characterization. Nothing less than the fate of the nation post civil war was at stake in the fight over Andrew Johnson, being impeached removed from office, nothing less than the future of America as a white man's Republic. Whereas a true multiracial democracy was at stake in the fight over Andrew Johnson's impeachment. The most. Essential battles of the American political project were all present in this impeachment and subsequent trial. Now they were largely filtered through a lot of procedural fights about whether he was constitutionally able to fire the secretary defense, and you'll hear about all that in our conversation, but fundamentally there is no better time to go back and examine the first presidential impeachment than right now, as we have this assertion, and we discuss it in this very kind of cramped historical terms. I think there's a case to be made that actually Johnson was probably the best analog, even though the times were extremely different. The medium virement was different, but there's a lot about Andrew Johnson that you will hear in this conversation. You will find familiar if you follow our current president. And so a few months ago, I got an Email from the New York Times book review the said, would you like to review who book a history of Andrew Johnson, the and I said, absolutely. So I got this book called the impeaches by Brenda wine apple, and it's. I five hundred pages long read the whole thing. I read a review New York Times which appeared a few weeks ago, maybe about a month ago. It's a great book. It's a fascinating read. And I thought to myself, I would love to talk to Brenda about all this on the podcast, so Brenda one came in. She's a really interesting woman, she's written a whole bunch of books, and she has written. I mean this history of Andrew Johnson pitchman is, is really the I mean, it's a wild truth about the history of this country. How little of the story of reconstruction has truly been told from the perspective of the reconstruct, there's from the perspective of those who are fighting for multiracial democracy, as opposed to those who ultimately prevailed who were fighting for the maintenance white supremacy. This book is a revolution. In our understanding of what that impeachment meant how important it was. I have to say almost more than anything. I've read more than the stuff I've read about Nixon more this read about Clinton the impeachment. Andrew Johnson at goes in my mind as I think about. The moment we are at right now. I think you're gonna learn a lot in this conversation with Brenda wanna. I reviewed this book from the York Times I really enjoyed that I learned a ton from it. It's a compati- ambitious volume. It's not like a slim like just the facts. I mean, it's a full sort of look at the Kurt circumstances this event and what led up to. Yeah. As I was reading after I thought to myself, you must this, this was, how many years in the making six, it was six years necking. What got you started on this six years ago because you've you manage to sort of publish this into an incredibly relevant news cycle, but six years ago, not many people thinking about Andrew Johnson's hang of NF, I told people when I tell people they would say, uh-huh. Then walk away from it. So boring and dusty and uninteresting, and nobody knew who Johnson was anyway, people, I've, I've, sometimes referenced, Andrew Johnson and be like, oh, he's the and, and people will say, like you mean Andrew Jackson. No, no, no. Andrew johnson. Right. And that amazing. So that's the first thing they don't know who he is. And then the second. Thing is impeachment. Oh, they might think of Clinton seems ridiculous. And the conventional wisdom was that the impeachment of Johnson was a horrific mistake. It was embarrassing. Let's forget it. I started it because when I was finishing the last book, I realized, I really didn't know very much about this impeachment and it bothered me because I thought, how is this a major event in American history that I don't know about an other people don't seem to know about why is that? So that was a question that got you motivated. I mean, I when I think back to my high school history attraction, which was quite good. We studied the impeachment briefly, and it was kind of, like I it was all very messy was kind of the takeaway, like who's to say who was right and wrong. And it was just kind of it was over an obscure tenure in office act something, and they were mad at each other, and it was all messy. And squabbles. Basically is, is what the kind of take away. That's the most that would. That would add on nine verse. That's the benign version, the maligned version is what, what, what is the malign malign version that was group of fanatical partisans called radical Republicans and that was meant almost as an epithet, radical was bad, and that they wanted to seize power, and that they were power hungry, and they were diabolical, and they ensnared port Johnson in this tenure of office act and tried to impeach him. And that was that was the take from it. That's how I was taught it in actually, the that view almost comes out of birth of the nation. I mean that's so bizarre when you think about it. So squabbles as you say, spot squabbles benign. But it's still dismissive of it. It's like with a mistake. You know, let's move on. Let's move onto something. Interesting, whether it's reconstruction or grant, or Jim crow or whatever happens to be, you know where you're going, but it was. Just as blip, the and the malign you grew up in Boston. So this is just wanna be clear like the maligned version of this history, you grew up in north of Boston, Boston in the heart of Abbas. Abolition ISM and the history that you got was that poor Andrew Johnson was in snared by a bunch. I sell it. Menia exactly maniacs. That's a good woman nihil, who tried to arrogate themselves, the power, that's the takeaway, that generations of global children are absolutely. And that was maybe ten fifteen minutes of your American has. Right. Yes. If that. Yeah. Yeah. And it was strange to me because some of the people I have been reading about, or I was reading. But even then I thought they were kind of likable, but I was told you not supposed to like them and you enter the villains exactly and that stays with you, because it makes you feel like an outsider like you don't really understand things in so as an adult, that's one of the nice things. Of adulthood, you go back and revisit some of this and say, why did they think that exactly? So when I finished the when I worked on the other book and I finished it, I realized there's something on settling about this. You know, th there's more to it, and I really wanted to know what happened. Why did it happen? And also, what was so interesting to me is when it happened. That's what's amazing to, you know, when you think of Clinton or you know, you're not thinking about a civil war in the first ever assassination of a president. Not just any president. You know, not Franklin peers, but much ABRAHAM LINCOLN, that's horrible. Imagine what it was like living then. I mean, it was must have been terrifying. Really the wars barely over your president is gone. The country's not put back together. People are basically more or less stopped fighting. But what are you going to do now? And then really in a matter of just a really. Short amount of time. The president is being paged, the so to me that seemed remarkable it comes across in the book, how unstable everything fell out that moment. Yeah. The worst tragedy in the history of the country. We'll slavery's over strategy. So. No, no, no. But that's very much part. Right. So you got six hundred thousand dead. You've got wounded. You've got, you know, people sure me his March. The south is in flames, right? That's right. And the, the president has been murdered. They tried to kill his secretary state as well. There's this question about the stability of the country, the country, the union will hang together, what isn't even because, you know, you had eleven seceded states now. Where are they are they in the union? Are they out of the union? Do you recognize secession? Jesus say all it was a mistake. Come on back. You know, come on back. Save your seat in congress. So all of those questions are presented to the man who is the vice president. Yes. Man named Andrew Johnson. So let's start as we sort of tell this art, let's start with, who was enter Johnson. Andrew Johnson was grew up in poverty, basically, he was born in Raleigh, North Carolina. And as a young boy. Oy. He was sent out as an indentured servant, which makes him just, just above the class of enslave people, which means that when he ran away, which she did from the tailor shop where he was indentured. They put out a an arrest warrant for him. That makes them really like a fugitive slave. He was a self made man. That's another way to look at him. He grew up. He was unlettered unschooled and found his way into politics because he loved the union he loved to speak, and he was very successful in politics. So eventually, he was in the United States Senate during what was called the secession crisis. That's you know, Lincoln has been elected he hasn't been inaugurated, yet, and the southern states for beginning to secede in Johnson, who very courageously stood up against these secede. They were called fire eaters. And he said, secession is wrong. We have to stay in the union. The south is protected and slavery is protected in the union not out of it. And. And he was against it. An ended practically quote of cost him his life. Because in Tennessee, he was burned an effigy, and he had a when he left, Tennessee. He left was said and a hail of bullets. He was very outspoken. He was very Frank. He believed in the country, so Lincoln more or less under the table authorized him as his vice president, because Lincoln and sixty four eighteen sixty four was afraid, he wouldn't win the election. There was no telling. Right. So Johnson is he's white, obviously. But he's got this kind of class chip on his shoulder, the southern planter aristocracy, does he is in unschooled. Former denture Vigne kind of thinks they look down on him which they do. Of course they do the south. I mean, all in the whole country's higher Arkell and status conscious. But the south is very, very much so and he was very conscious of being a poor wide, and they actually use the term in those days poor white trash, but it didn't rawdon his Reisen didn't make him sensitive and empathetic it made him. Mm really want to have, what other people have one of the first things that he did when he began to have money because the tailoring was very successful is he bought slaves. Right. He became right? And he became a slave owner and that's right. Not a plant, or you know, never get up that high wasn't the our stock recy-. But this was a way somebody called it conspicuous consumption. This is the way that he showed that he had arrived in southern society. I mean, they would never accept him in southern suicide. But you're right. It's a it's really very very class conscious and that's interesting that way. And in some ways the thing that makes him in that moment, the moment of peak heroism and courage, which is that he taking his literally his life in his hand that stands against the secessionist movement. The southern planter aristocracy, and he says, if you force the question of secession, or slavery, I will say, stay in the union and let the slaves go. Yes. And it was very clear about that. And it takes a certain kind of bull headedness to do that. Well, you know. Yeah. And that's beheaded nece in retrospect at the time, especially if you were in the north in an abolition is you don't call it. Bullheaded nece you, you call it heroism, right? You know. I mean, so it's an interesting to nominee wind is heroism become bullheaded headed. That's the because that same character trait, the gives him. I think the inner strength to do that. We will later see in very nefarious white, so Lincoln, who is running in sixty four for reelection in the midst of the war. The war is not going great. No. Exactly. That's why he thought he was going to lose. And he knew he was going to be up against McClellan and what we're called the peace Democrats who just wanted enough. You know, the war had turned into butchery really. And everybody knew that, and there wasn't any guarantee that you couldn't see the end of it coming and you couldn't see northern victory. So he was worried and he thought a war, democrat, which is what Johnson was and a southerner would keep the border states in line and help him at. The polls and I mean ultimately, he didn't need Johnson because the fortunes of the war change, but it doesn't matter the other thing, that's interesting. You know, and it's, it's so kind of poignant really Lincoln didn't think he was gonna die. All his dreams notwithstanding. Who think this is the person who's right? Follow res-. You don't he was not thinking of who do I want to be president, not gone just thinking in the short term sense. This is someone who will help me stay in office and prosecute the war the way it should be. And that ends up being the great question of the sixty four election is basically, to come to some peace with the confederate states where to prosecute finish. Exactly. And Lincoln was adamant. And he wanted to prosecute finish the war, and he was very powerful about that. And, and he was respected for that even McClellan, who is running against him calling in general, didn't much like Lincoln, but, you know, did well, Lincoln fired them. Why would you why would general? Yeah, well, but, but nonetheless, he didn't want all of those McClellan did love soldiers and he won all those people to die in vain. Right. Just to say, okay. Forget it and have peace of Lincoln wins and the second inaugural happens, which is one of the most famous speeches in American history. The better angels of our nature. Right. It's inscribed on his memorial, Johnson, also has an inaugural speech. I Johnson does Johnson gets loaded. Basically, he has too much whiskey with his cold medicine or whatever. It's taking. Nobody's quite sure I'm maybe he was nervous, but he begins to babble and he begins to talk about himself and he plants a sloppy kiss on the bible and everybody is mortified. She's like a word of this guy come from and think about this, right? Lingo dignity. The study in character. This is like for shadowing of what we're going to get right? Because it's like probably one of the greatest figures in American history. An icon at the peak of his rhetorical powers extended in grace, viewing through kind of moral prophecy, into the future of the of the gala, -tarian Republic, this drunken weirdo. Right from the south who's kind of, you know, his closer nice because he was a tailor but can't handle the moment at all. You know, and contemporaneous, people at the time we're like, oh, they were horrified. They were whispering. They said you know what is he crazy? You know and, and Lincoln presumably, you know, reported to say keep when we, let's keep him away from me. In other words, I don't want to have anything to do with this guy. You know, we've one that's the end of that. And it was a vice president after all on which meant he was going to be inconsequential. Right. You know, we would. He served as purpose, basically, we vice presidents in the nineteenth century, can you count, you know, in that sense? So he'd served as purpose. Exactly. And he was an embarrassment. And, and then lo and behold, a month later Lincoln is dead. And Johnson is taking another oath of office. But this one is to be come the president, and it should have given more people. Pause. But people wanted continuity. I mean, how could you not? I mean you have a dead president, you have a war that's barely finished just about finished. But nobody knows the direction of the country, who is this person? You have to put all your faith in this person in the beginning, everyone is kind of, like, okay. We have faith in you going for them and trying to see the best in him. And he was the guy that stood up to the slavers of Tennessee. Not only that he had said, treason is a crime and must be prosecuted. So it seemed like he was on the same page of radicals who are basically saying, we have to change the entire. Tire structure in nature of the south, and we cannot let this happen again, and we have to really rebuild the country. So it seems that that was the case and he left Lincoln's cabinet intact to even the Democrats because he was a democrat. Even the Democrats said, you've got to get rid of some of these guys, you know, in the cabinet Johnson, wouldn't do it. He wouldn't list hidden. He never listened. Really listened? So then you have to major questions that confront the country, what to do with the states that seceded right how to reintegrate them into the union, and what posture legally and morally and morally the government takes towards the millions of four million, formerly enslaved people who had been deprived of schooling who had been deprived of the ability to move who had no jobs. No land didn't really in a sense on their own clothes on their back. What's going to happen to those people? Where do they go? Where are they going to live? Lots of those plantations have been confiscated, you know, who want them. Nobody knew I mean it's a it's an enormous problem. And what was also a problem in relation to the first issue, which is how do these states come back was that people who had been count. Counted as very fifths of a person are now whole persons. So if you count them toward representation in the electoral college, but you don't give them the vote then incense your we kind of populating the southern power structure, but not with people who can vote in their own interests. This is a really important point. So take away the moral question here and just looking at in political terms, recalled fry while I'm just saying for Republican northerners who have just thought this bloody war because of these asshole southerners, these treasonous others. And I'm just saying take away the people that have that are actually like about abolition gal just like the partisan practical, these assholes. Right. They waged a war against our government costs six hundred thousand lives. Right. Seven fifty seven hundred fifty thousand and counting seven hundred and fifty thousand that's the latest count. And we end up in a situation in which we take them back to the union. What the three fists are now full. They don't have any political rights. They have basically come back live lost their slaves, but we've just given them all this political power. Exactly. It's exactly right. And everybody knew that, you know, so that's becomes a tremendous problem. And then there are two issues that are related to that one is political power, but one is citizenship, even you know, so, so I you have to get citizenship before you even get political power political power in terms of the vote. So these are normal questions and you're right. Taking aside the moral question people in north would know that and they would be very wary about giving southerners that kind of a thority once again, even if they were loath and reluctant. To give people the vote, and there were many who were because women didn't have the vote. So there was an argument. Why are you not enfranchising women when you wanna win? Franchise black men. Give them the vote. And they can't read or write, and we can you say so there is a lot that was going on that had to be judicata that had to be ironed out and Johnson is in this mix and his position is just basically say that the southern states never seceded, just push them back in and of story. Yeah. Just come back in. Yeah. Which means that basically, the south will rise again immediately. And in fact, you have a situation in the south that you still have slavery by another name. In other words, you've passed eventually ratified the thirteenth amendment. There's no more institution of slavery. But in the south while he's sort of legislating without congress. What he's able to do is allow the south to pass these black codes. Cbs which makes it impossible for the formerly enslaved people in the south to move really, to marry to have all of the rights and privileges of a citizen. So Johnson's confronted with this. And he just starts to take unilateral actions in which he is giving huge pardons. Yes. Anyone who comes and says, I'm loyal now or pays pays you. You're back in. He starts pointing these provisional governors now, south, some of them are really dubious backgrounds confederates. And then you've got you've got, you know, you document in the book and there's great passages of this. I mean, basically they set to work immediately reconstituting, the power of white supremacist, a violent deadly white supremacy. They passed black codes. You have sheriffs rolling around in confederate uniform, I know shooting people shooting and killing. Yes. What are quote unquote Freeman? Right freeman. They that they kill a few white ones on the side to lists. We say they don't to one of the things and. This is one of the things I think it's important to get the conscience of the north as well. Right. It's not just racial is violent. It's also targeted at white loyalists people proceed oh, who are perceived, as Republicans and who were against the war effort. You know, in some southerners were fared at the sound totally, you know, so in that sense, the white loyalists, white Republicans, as well as all black people, you know, we're targets the Republicans and the northern abolition press are watching this happen as Johnson's basically what they see snatching defeat from the victory. The war has been won and now he's turning around and giving the southern treasonous leave power back, all of its power, re putting them in power, and they are, there are horrified and congress is out of session. Remember abound of congress, people go to Johnson and say, don't you think we ought to have a special session because, really? It's Congress's prerogative to decide who is its own members. You know, we decide who goes into the legislature and. He said. No. So he kept doing this. So all the things that you're enumerating, he was able to do that spring in that summer and early full because congress wasn't in session. I mean, that was forgetting the press for a minute. I mean to be in congress and watch your powers being taken away from you is horrific, that's called executive power sense, or to them was an abusive power in a loss of the balance of power. So that sets the stage for a couple of major incidents that end up pushing impeachment full, steam ahead and we're gonna get into that right after this. I'm chuckling Rosenberg. My new podcast youth truck Rosenberg is based on a simple premise thoughtful conversations with interesting people like Jim Coleman. Lisa Monaco and pre Peron. Each of them took an oath as I did to support and defend the constitution of the United States. The oath with Chuck, Rosenberg. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. There's two key precipitating incidents that really. Capture the imagination the north which is Memphis, New Orleans. What happens there that so captures the imagination of the country, particularly New Orleans? But Memphis to there were basically, what general Phil Sheridan, who is in charge of some of the southern states and he was away from New Orleans. And he said, there's no other word for what happened. Here was a massacre, and it was basically, there was a parade that was going on because there was a state constitutional convention being called in New Orleans. This was in late June early July and it wasn't just a white mob that went after the blacks, and also people who were going to the constitutional convention. It was firefighters and police. And the police was mainly composed of ex rebels ex confederates. It was a Malay was a slaughter. It was a mask or went on for three days, and in Washington. Johnson had gotten word that something bad might be happening, shall we send in the military Stanton, who is war secretary should have known. Nobody knows why he didn't do anything Johnson didn't do anything Johnson, basically authorized the mayor of New Orleans to go ahead with what he had planned because he said, oh, there's going to be trouble. And the mayor of New Orleans was a known confederate, and he had just recently been pardoned by John. So just to be clear there's a state Republican constitutional conventions. The Republicans are all gathering. It's black Republicans, white Republicans and of the war who'd fought for the union, and they're congregating in a place. And basically the mayor allows essentially state-backed militia, that's right to come in massacre. That's right. That's right. And then while Sammy is garrison and lets it hap-. That's right. And they come in a couple of days later and Sheridan as who I said, was outta town when it comes back, and he's horrified. But what is sees? I mean there there are bodies on the streets. And that happened in Memphis to not to the same extent earlier. There are bonded, some the street and people are afraid to claim the bodies on the street because they themselves were frayed. They'll be shot. I mean, that is so horrific and a congressional committee goes down to investigate, and that's how we know some of what happened because we're a lot of people testified to this congressional committee, and they were just they were appalled by it into the extent that they needed wake up just probably quite a bit. It woke up the north to what was going on in the south because before a lot of what northern journalists who went south were reporting was dismissed as propaganda or just isolated incidents. So, so this happened this person was running away got shot in the back. Well, these things happen, it doesn't really represent anything. Sort of scattered reports, and people sort of swept it under the rug. This was you couldn't deny tonight. And also because the military is I said couldn't deny the military was horrified. And believe me, the military was not made up of abolitionist are anti-slavery people. There were a lot of pro slavery people in, in the northern in the union military who are also, you know, for one of a better word radicalised, you know. So what's happening here. You've got Johnson who's taken these unilateral steps, violence and tyranny descending on the south, and the violence and tyranny starting to radicalize, white opinion, the north who were kind of I think ready to move on. Everybody was ready. But now sounded if that if we move on what we get is, these bastards are going to write come back and power, but one thing I wanna mansion. You're absolutely right. But there were people in congress, and this is very heart warming to me. And that's why I wanna mention who even before this happened had been. Sounding p alarm. We think today some of us soar some people think that we're you know, very woke or liberated or whatever. And if you know they were these people, and there were a number of them, who saw four saw this happening. If in fact legislation protecting the free people of the south and also the white loyalist if that wasn't passed civil rights wasn't passed if there wasn't a, a mechanism and institution called the Freedman's bureau, that was allowed to persist, and was fully funded if these things weren't happened than the whole country for the rest of its history, going four was in trouble. They saw this. There's people like fatty Stevens, and particularly who saw this radical Republicans who are white people committed to a vision of multiracial equitable, democracy that I think would be current now one would hope I, I mean, I think their vision. Yeah. It's remarkable to go back. See how clearly they saw the issue, and they were vilified they were vilified. They were vilified in my eyes school class. They were reduced squabbles and yours, you know, for many, many years, that were vilified as fanatics and crazy people and the fanatic belief they had. Yeah. Was boys inequality basic genuine racial American democracy in which each person is equal. Yeah. Go figure, and that is viewed as nuts. Exactly. So those are the racial views of the radical Republicans led by Stevens Wendell Phillips, Charles Sumner, another Johnson's tell me about Johnson's racial views Johnson's facial fuse. Our benighted is, is the nice word for John. I mean he was a white supremacist, basically. I mean, as I said before, you know, the first thing he did when he had some money was by slides and one of the things when Frederick Douglass and a delegation of black men came to the Oval Office. And, you know, talk to Johnson and said, black men, especially who fought in the war should be able to vote. You know, if we carry bullets we can carry ballots, and he went on some kind of rant and he basically said to them, they must have been so wilder. He said, but I never sold a slave is like he missed the point entirely, so his view. And, and after this delegation left, he said, to someone you know, those sons of bitches were out to get me. I mean he was he was horrible. Really? And he was afraid of what he called, quote unquote, African ising the country, he felt that blacks were decidedly. I don't know where he got his information inferior, and he certainly didn't want them to have, you know, anybody to have the vote, but even citizenship basics would have human rights was something he was against. So now you've got the trains headed towards each other metaphorically here. Congress comes back, and they start saying they have super majorities, because the confederate states are not back at they're not. Right. That's and they're like. No, no, no, no. You just this is not working. Yeah. We can't sit you know, the southerners sent people like the vice president of the confederacy to take the seat in congress. And they said, no. And Thaddeus Stevens, who, who does an excellent parliamentarian, which is another reason, people didn't like him. You know, manage to not even have the roll call with their names called, so they weren't allowed to take their seats in Johnson is furious. You know, he's, he's apoplectic that he's not getting his way, an important fact, Congress's not pleased either, because this is a legislative as I had perogative that they should be able to determine who sits in, in those houses, basically. No, especially in the house of representatives. And so, with this supermajority that they have Republicans without the south Sita. They begin to pass a bunch of legislation. The rights over Johnson's view because they have Beato proof majorities to basically undo that what Johnson has done in the Seidel onto as much as the Ken because you have to remember, a lot of the damage by this time his been done that were state militias forming of white men, sort of out to kill people, but they're doing the best they can, and they were trying still to appease Johnson. They were trying still to make deals with him. You know, one of them was sort of moderate, a guy named lime Trumbull, and he said, you know, look this civil rights legislation in Johnson seemed to be okay with it, and then he vetoed it. And so he was himself forgetting the massacres, he was himself radicalizing people because they couldn't believe he was so stubborn so intransigent unwilling to compromise. If there've been compromises, even on basic human rights, we're not even talking about boating, so congress and the president or at loggerheads, and it's only gonna get. Worse and it does get worse. So congress is now trying to implement their own vision of reconstructive, and they and they're passing it over veto after veto after veto, I guess, the next plot in the story, I guess, we should probably do is that Johnson. Does the swing around the circle? Yeah. So the midterms are coming up and hit. This is his shot to win back, some power in congress and also to stop the fourteenth amendment from being ratify 'cause congress was smart enough. As in the case of the thirteenth amendment is if you have civil rights legislation legislation is not good enough. You've got to enshrine in the constitution make an amendment to the constitution to make sure equal rights under the law, and that's the fourteenth fourteenth amendment. He wants to stop the fourteen amendments. Along with the first amendment. I mean fourteenth amendment basically makes the modern constitution. I think it's fair to say certain turning point. Yeah. It's also remarkable to think that it is seen by some gala, Teheran abolitionists and free blacks as a sell-out because it doesn't give voting rights. I it's a half-measure. I know not everybody likes everything. But it was, you know, a step in the right direction. And if you were purist, like somebody like, Charles seminar, you know, is a great guy in many ways, but not perfect, you know, he sees it as a sell-out, but others, like Thaddeus Stevens in the house says, look, we can take what we can get. With do the best. We can, you know, don't despair, we'll move on in any case. Either way Johnson takes this. What's called which made fun of as swing around the circle, because he's he goes on, basically a campaign toward the presumably, he's going up to Chicago to lay a cornerstone for Stephen Douglas's memorial up there. And he undertakes. Series of rallies basically, and he's trying to rally people. And that's when he says, once again, hang Saturday. Stevens. Hang, my enemies, execute them, you know they're terrible. They're responsible for the slaughters in the south not me. I've done everything I can do. Right. I'm wonderful. You know, these self pitying narcissistic, harangues racist demagoguery, the crowd getting worked up angry at him often, and saying, hang Robert E Lee. No hang, hang. The United States wanting you hang. Thaddeus stevens. He says this does he does it's reported in the newspapers. And and again like the massacre that happens in New Orleans. This is a huge deal at the time in the pros and, and it was such a huge deal. He, he made people like, you know, Ulysses s grant come along with him Graham so horrified. He was writing to his wife. This is a national disgrace, and he was so upset. He went on a bender mean it's the worst thing for granted. Do you know to find a few bottles in go into a baggage car and Taft to sleep it off because he couldn't bear? It was such a humiliation to be on the same platform as this particular, man. And, you know, people said, Johnson must be drunk again. But the fact is he wasn't he was drunk on power. Whatever you disgraces himself does exquisite again. He's the country and it every what's what's fascinating to me is that you do have these moral profits of the radical Republicans, but that is not Representative of white northern opinion at all. But Johnson is being. Such an asshole, and so such a disgrace that he is, basically like consolidating northern white opinion against him. Yeah, no, no. Absolutely. You know, one of the things I call the book the impeaches and one of the things I say, I think I'd say more. The ones is that Johnson is one of the architects of zone impede, you know, basically, he's impeaching himself. He doesn't really see what he's doing. And when people try to point it out to him he refuses to see that either because you know, many people say, listen don't stand in front of the fourteenth amendment. Just play along. Everything will be fine. You'll get your way you'll even get the agent Sixty-eight nomination. He won't do it. He just can't bring himself to do it because he believes God, he believes that he's defending the constitution. Yes. And he's defending an interpretative. He's slavery constitutes defending a white supremacist, the racial, part of this is is, is absolutely key. What it's about what it's about, it's really what it and that's and that I just wanna make an intervention here, which is at the historian of this moment is at that has been ripped out of it. What this book does, which is the first real major Kapatid's study of this incident, re centers, this question on the central moral struggle of the country. Absolutely. In its wasn't people think. Oh, it was about the tenure of office. No wasn't that it really was something else. It was about the same issues as the war had been fought. I mean it's very, very same. And that's absolutely right. And that to me is so interesting that I had to resent her at that it had to be resent us for getting me that, you know, why didn't we know that. Why didn't we know that? That's what those were the terms, and that's what was behind him beach moment. So Republicans win big majeure, even bigger majorities, the midterms are disaster. And as soon as they come back, there's a sense that they're going to impeach him they. Well, yeah, you know, a couple of people who, who are sort of more radical than the radicals even. And they, you know this one guy named James Ashley's, forgotten, obviously, who says, let's impeach Johnson. And everybody's the. Oh, no. No. It's too early. Can't do that. You know. So they what about his base, you'll hill. Fire up his base. Something like that. Yeah. Really? No. Seriously? It's. Was it a history, doesn't repeat itself twinset at rhyme? And, and then he events. So what they do is they pass everything off. They pass an investigation of Johnson off looking for an actual impeachable offense, which is to say, you know, a violation of law, and they put it in the judiciary committee. The judiciary committee begins its long investigations. But at the same time, these Republicans are also trying to use the threat of impeachment to Kerr tail Johnson. And of course, that doesn't work at all nothing at this point could tell him because he feels so beleaguered. He feels misunderstood in the more he feels. It went victim of the more he feels that way, the more he Dixie. Well, I originally originally the judiciary committee doesn't pass no impeachment, and then there's. And there's a it down. And I note this in the review, they're up in the times, I thought it was very interesting. That there's a sense of like they're looking for the smoking gun. There's a there's spiracy theories is a moment in wiza- through his finances. They look his wastebasket they look for, you know payments to prostitutes. They look at everything I mean, they in a sense embarrassed themselves, because, and here's what's so perfect. They're looking for some technical violation. They can heal them on the man is presiding over the resurgence of white supremacists. Terror in the south think of it think of it's American eighteen sixty seven relevant now can you impeach somebody because they're a white supremacist? But I mean what are the grounds because and then you could say, Ma-maybe, all impeach somebody, because there were brunette, you know, in other words, you have to be careful with things like that. They were they were nervous. Don't forget, either. It's the first ever impeachment. Nobody had gone down this road before, and there's no roadmap. There's no Google map to say you take a left turn here. You know it's, it's. Kind of Embiid newes. Yeah. What exactly what's a high crime misdemeanor? What counts they, they sort of search and they don't come up with anything. Because if you have something concrete in it was like with Clinton. That least they could find perjury. Right. They wanted to get rid of the guy, but they had to find something and you know, it seemed small neighbor looking for something that could seem small nev- Johnson, give them anything like that. I you know, not for longtime, they knew that there were larger issues, but you can't just impeach somebody because you don't like him that does become political in the narrow worst sense. You know, and nobody really wanted to deal with that. So the judiciary committee doesn't find anything they vote into not proceed well. And then what happens is, basically a new arrangement begins in which congress worked with the military to administer a new version of reconstructions. Yeah. They pass a variety. Relation. They break the, the south up into these military districts, they have military commanders, and what you have is very weird situation in which the military is executing Congress's wishes because the military is loyal to the union cause doesn't want to see the oil to Edwin Stanton. I have to point then Ulysses grant, and they're working hand in hand and that's important for what happens late. Right, so Stanton. Who's the head of what's called affirmative war? That's fine. And grant who's got this new title that he's gotten at the end of the zero general-in-chief, general, sort of. He's got this new title that's been granted to him. And the two of them were heroes of the war. They they're working with congress to administer this new system, which is a new sheriff in town, which is like, that's right. What does that system? It's interesting because the military is, then they are to protect the free people, and also the white loyalists in particularly because now southern states can come back into the union it said by car. Congress if they ratified the fourteenth amendment, and also they enfranchising, I'm not going to get to the technicalities, but basically enfranchise black men so black men can register and then vote. And so what the military is there to do is to protect them to register them. First of all, and then protect him at the polls. Think about this military occupation. The south, which is a slave accuracy than briefly has this period, which lose Andrew Johns, go go back to what you want. Now, a military occupation at the point of the gun is going to say black suffrage, these are people that were enslaved, I know two years of gun thinkable, and it's, it's amazing. But it's interesting, you use the word occupation because that was the kind of word as kind of red flag that someone like Johnson and the Democrats, aren't using and even came down to the twentieth century, it seems to me, we're oh God. What happened? These crazy fanatics were back to that again. Occupy the south. Nobody liberated. People. And so this is the south hates this system. I mean, I'm sorry, white southerners shape the system by. But it does this incredible thing you start getting biracial state. Governments in south actually, that's the most amazing thing, and it works for a while to be clear if I'm not mistaken, I think, in eighteen sixty eight the majority of the lower house of South Carolina state, legislatures black in eighteen sixty eight his never happened again American history. There has been no majority black legislature in American history. Since this moment, this is why this moment, so crucial in so wonderful and so horrible, all at the same time, and that's to me, so interesting as eminently fascinating because it seems to me, it seems too small a word, even the country was really at a crossroads, and it really could have gone into a different direction. And it started to go in that direction, and congress was set on making sure it went in that direction and use the military to go in that direction. But Johnson was Justice said. As changing that direction and saying, this is a military occupation. This is terrible, what you're doing to the poor white southerners. You know, this is palling Andy does everything. He's trying to do everything to stop it. And then, and then what happens next well, one of the ways in which these reconstruction laws. That's what we've been talking about can be maintained is, by maintaining Edwin Stanton in the cabinet Stanton's secretary war, so Congress's Wiley enough to sink. We'll have to pass them act to protect Stanton and people like him as mainly for Stanton because I know the Johnsons gonna take his wrath out on stay standards administering this against the presidential wishes and he's been firing people left and Rhode anyway, he's been replacing some of these military people to get latkes in Arnie's been firing people in the post office in federal employees because he wants to shape the country in, in terms of his vision of the past really. So the tenure of office act to simply put is that anybody any for example, cabinet officer who's been confirmed by the Senate can only be fired. If the firing is confirmed, but Senate so really gives the congress more power over sake cabinet positions civil officers than they had. And that's why it's a dubious act in its constitution and its constitutionality is of real question. It's later. That's right. It's later thrown ah. The interesting thing, too, is Stanton himself who's, you know, he was a lawyer and a democrat in before he became what he became he two sets laws, not constitutional, but it was passed and protect him. We'll protected him until it didn't. Because basically to make a long story short. That's what Johnson did he violated that particular act? And once that was that was the smoke. Working on that. Everybody's been looking for he stepped on a statute. Statute, it's of dubious constitutionally, but he fire Stanton anyway, trip, wires. It's like we've been looking for the calls to impeach you. You have now violated the law. That's right. And they move towards impeachment. Well, and it's not even so rational there. So horrified they just passed a law in, in Johnson, just flouted it, it's like thumbing your nose at congress. And so she's been doing now for several years, this somehow, more to heart more personally. I mean, people would never spoken before they all stand up and say he has to be impeached, and it's an overwhelming vote, and he is then the house votes you need fifty percent of the house. They vote more than fifty percent to impeach him. And that's what happens in February of eighteen sixty eight and so in the book, what's interesting to me is, there's a long section on the impeachment trial now because he the articles are eleven are eleven or eleven articles ten of which are about the tenure of office act. One of which is basically he's, he's a scoundrel white supremacist scoundrel in a white supremacy. And he's not upholding. The constitution the constitution that he loves. And he's buried, but he's not upholding the constitution. He's betraying his oath of office. He's abusing power. He's, you know, degrading congress and the country all of that. That's the all. So in the end, the trial is kind of anticlimactic. Well, yes. And no. I mean I found it very moving. It's one of the things you, you show is very quickly gets bogged down. Yes. Yes. In a bunch of sort of procedural questions, you know, in a sense. It's fascinating from a procedural point of view people wanted, you know, lightning and thunder and, you know, all kinds of bombast in with the God is a bunch of lawyers saying, is this accord, or is this a Senate? You know can you call that witness can you admit hearsay, and you exact who makes the rules, and it might be okay on television law and order. But, you know, for people sitting there, they started their sandwiches, you know, and was what they had thought it was going to be. But in fact, what was good about that from, you know, from a dramatic point of view. But in a sense from our point is how seriously everybody took this. And they, they were trying. It's like jury duty in a way you know, my experience of jury duty is that people really try to do the best for whatever reasons that's another. That's too hard for me to figure out but. People really. And they were trying to do their best. And, you know, even the best isn't good enough because everybody has a certain point of view or an agenda, and certainly the chief Justice had his own agenda, because he wants to be president. Yeah. But it does get bogged down in that sense. If that's what you mean. Anticlimactic. Absolutely. It. Just there's a what I read in the review is that there's a mismatch between the cramped procedural ISM and the stakes of what's happening are people being murdered in the streets. Their blood is running on the steps of the capitol, and we're here. Say that. And as soon as you say that guy, you know, beast, Butler says that, and then he's immediately derided raising the red flag. And how dare you talk like this, because you're supposed to be dignified. And this is a court and you know if gets very complicated very fast. And the people who do feel that, listen, there's blood running in the streets. We fought a war you can't give away the fruits of victory. That's not going to pass muster with the moderates, who didn't do anything until there was this infraction of law. And that's why it gets bogged down in procedures, and that's why in a sense, those prosecuting Johnson kind of maybe didn't do the best job that they possibly could. But they were trying to go for that audience. Whereas Johnson's defense team, ironically used broader brush painted with a broad brush and said you have to preserve the office the dignity of the office. You don't just run somebody out, you know, in that way because you don't like him and his act anyway, is dubious. And you can't really prove it to me it was very interesting because of the kinds of arguments that you had ultimately. Yeah. The Senate, which needs a two vote. Yeah. Acquits him by one vote one that phone was memorialized in nineteen fifty seven by John F Kennedy or Ted Sorensen, depending on who wrote the book profiles in courage, and that vote was cast by men name, Edmund Ross of Kansas, and Kennedy Sorenson, whomever said that he was courageous because he cast that one vote, be bucked his party and do the right thing and quitted the scoundrel Yaron, right. Exactly white supremacist. You know, stubborn pigheaded perverse as Sumner. Call tom. Yes. And that courageous act was probably if not literally bought with money it's certainly was the was greased in some way with favors. Or promises that Ross would keep his seat. And there were a lot of let's say extenuating circumstances surrounding that vote, you know, he was a week man, and people found ways to maneuver and manipulate him. Yeah, there was, and there's a lot of, of varying degrees of confirmation in this story, go record backroom dealing around this vote. It was very corrupt time, generally, and the amount of, like sort of trading of patronage and favors and money, is it was huge that happened in Lincoln happens under grant, which is. Grant really becomes sort of front and center in this particular case, and had been going on for a long time, because when it works in your favor sewage had been, you know, bribing, people for the ticket the thirteenth amendment passed now he's writing probably bribing people, you know, I really looked hard for the real evidence and it's, it's gone and suppressed, but, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, as I say, in the book, you know, there's a lot of smoke, but no fire Johnson is acquitted. But he is politically. I think it's fair to say, mortally wounded. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you think that is? There's a sense, you know, Clinton, I think the most recent impeachment, it's like, you know, when you come for the king, you best, not miss, and they came for the king, and they didn't. They missed they missed and it more popular. You've got more popular need. I'm get reelected obviously can't, but he leaves he's left office, sort of smelling, like a rose growing much in that sense. No in chance and not so much. Even if history was kinder to him than it should have been or. It's called impeachment of mistake. Is still he was mortally wounded because nobody wanted him anymore. I mean even own party wouldn't even think of nominated him in eighteen sixty eight because the entire spectacle was so awful in the nation. It was. I mean, it was that's part of, I think, what comes out, and you do a really good job of like there's something about the messy -ness of it, that no one can walk away clean. I mean no, it doesn't. No one walks away clean from this. Well hurt the most. Yeah, I mean, I think that is Stevens walks away with history. He does. But you out at the time, and now in the view of reason history. I mean he's one of the villains, I knew it. I. That he's got a statue. Joining my house. God bless that you'll Stevens. Listen, he was he when he found out that the place the cemetery that he was going to be buried in didn't allow black people. And he, he took his money way. And he went to an integrated cemetery, and he said, you know, in on a students don't he said that he wants to be buried in place, which honors equality, you know, of people under their creator. I mean that's amazing eighteen sixty eight anyway. Yeah. No most people don't come across that well at that particular time. And then a sense that explains why it's been buried. I think people are embarrassed by their own failures. Really? But Johnson, the good news is that Johnson is wounded, the bad news is he comes back to the Senate later on. I mean, he actually Tennessee actually sends him back to the Senate and the reflect hours on his desk. That's pretty depressing. But nonetheless, he was so disliked is I said, even by his own party even. By the people who voted to acquit him. They were trying to save either their own skin north some view of the presidency, but they said they thought he was unfit for office. Ultimately the reconstruction effort will last till sensually eighteen seventy seven when a deal is made to withdraw the troops, it inaugurates the reassertion of white supremacy in the south is a formal structure Jim crow etcetera a history is written glorifying that and vilifying, Thaddeus, Stevens the world in Johnson and a history that comes to us now the present day in the year twenty nineteen year publishing a book, not amazing that re centers our view of the righteousness in some ways of the radical Republican cause the need for that impeachment was necessary. Really it was necessary and it didn't break the country. It didn't create a war grant got elected. Anyway, if that was what you wanted and given who was running against him you jail. So in a sense, it's kind of reassuring in a way because there were people who actually stood up for principle, that's remarkable. Because the principal was equality the Princess. Was justice. That's really quite incredible. It's to me. It's very moving Brenda wine. Apple is the author of the new book, the impeaches. It's about the impeachment of Andrew Johnson, the first presidential impeachment. I've got a book review of it in the New York Times book review, which you can check out. It's a, a fascinating amazing read as you can tell from this conversation. I really recommend Brenda. Thank you so much. Once again, my great, thanks to Brenda one apple for coming in, and talking me about her. Great new book, the impeaches which you can pick up at any bookstore to your liking. We love to hear your feedback as always tweet us hashtag with pod Email with pod g mail dot com. Why is this happening? Presented by MSNBC NBC news. 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"Good, because those indictments contain the only charge ever made that Ross engaged in murder-for-hire. This was a serious allegation at role. Break denies it was never prosecuted or rolled on by a jury, but was trumpeted by the federal government and the media as if it were proven fact, the Maryland Court held these indictments for almost five years poisoning Ross's case, and leaving him under a cloud of unproven allegations as explained in Ross's appeal to the Supreme Court, the fact that. That, the judge used these allegations to give her all say draconian sentence of double life without parole violated his sixth amendment. Right to a jury trial. Judges required to issue sentences based on convictions decided by a jury, not unproven allegations never even charged at trial. Although this is a positive development that dropped indictment will not set rolls free now. A presidential pardon is Ross, says only hope of freedom signed the petition at free Ross Dot Org Free Ross Dot Org. 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Probably all of it. Would I. So I I called you guys. Couple weeks ago about it. And, The day or the next day after I was spoke with you, guys The News showed up, and they did a story, and since the sensitive follow up a couple more news stories. And but after the first news story, the town and they weren't too happy about it. They sent me seven appearance tickets. What is? Following Monday appearance. They're like. They're like property code violations I guess. For pretty much everything you could imagine so. They decided they were going to give your property a real close look over, and they found a bunch of violations that they hadn't found before. They decided to harass. You basically is what they're saying because they didn't like the publicity that you were giving them. You might want to ask your attorney about misuse of process. Yes, that's what they. Crossed us. Yes, that's what they charged. The southern sheriff's with. During the sixties when they when they started charging civil rights, protesters with spitting on the sidewalk allow, which had not been enforced in in many decades, if not a century but they said well. It's still on the books, so they started charging people with it and ended up. Being hit with abusive process well. A process that it's intended to be used for is to harass property owners over a bunch of petty crabs. Kit For myth, that is the problem, so so if you, if you use a lot to penalize someone's political speech Technically that was enough. They're not penalize clinical speech. They're going to say we. Were there. They're just going to say. His grass was growing too high. Give us some examples of what these seven different citations were. We got one for the building permit. We got a noise ordinance Having things in the town property right of the town right of way within fifteen feet of the road, signed violation for a sign for my. Memorial signed for. My dog got hit by route. So they're coming to you because you have a memorial site for your dog. Yep Okay. I just. Pretty much what's. What's what's the fine on the dog? No. I have no idea courts not till September. So do. They cite like town ordinance numbers like section one two three of. Yep, so you can probably go and pull up that town ordinance. Most towns these days have You know some websites that you code. Yes, I go there and likely pull up whatever these violations are, and at least get some idea of what they're going to become an issue for in a lot of cases, town ordinance violations are fines and not jail time, however in some cases. If you don't pay the fines, they may go out and throw in jail I. Don't know how how it works there in New York state facing. A one year misdemeanor just for the statue loan right and I know that that was some kind of lewd charge, right? Yeah. Display of sexual material. Wow got, would i. Have you been through this before, have you? Have you ever faced criminal? Charges before. I've been young before. Yeah, okay okay. I was going to give me a couple of just. Steps some tips anyway because. The I think I'm Gonna I'M GONNA. Tell you as they talk about a one year misdemeanor but nobody ever does the Max on I first defense so so that's the first thing i. try and try and tell people it sounds like. Defense. You said you were arrested in when you were younger. I mean Yeah I've had. A couple of DWI is over the years and. Got Caught with pot here and there. But nothing major nothing actual victim. No No, not not. Going to have a real tough time on this because it seems like a clear free speech violation. You know you have, you should have the freedom to create artwork and yeah, no. And then come on them coming after me for the new. Retaliation, for retaliation. The First Amendment protected conduct so. A meeting with a lawyer this week, so dowd. It's certainly. Sort of listeners are clear. You've erected this giant wooden, Phallus. Sadly took it down as the police came and intimidated you. You thought you had to take it down to the reality. was they just persuaded you? Could you wait? Forty five minutes erected again. I didn't did it last for longer than four hours. Nine days. Right. Dr Bro. I know the answer to this, but I wanted you to say it. Is there a place where somebody can go and learn I? Don't know on the internet or something about your escapades. Yeah absolutely I've I've described written out the whole story on Wilton. Woody, DOT com. Great Looking Saito. You're looking at a time line right now. Captain as you're scrolling down, it's it's pretty with with photographs. Foiling the town along the way, so I've got like all their emails and communications between the neighbor, and it's all it's all sight. Hope soon you will be back on the road free of the legal system and spurt near Woody and I. Hope you're Fallas rises again. Put it back up in the backyard. A little fourth of July celebration, a cool little promotional piece to try to get some more donations for illegal fund saw. Awesome. Let us. Let us know as things up. Thanks for the call. That is a fantastic website That guy is pretty. Is Pretty Awesome. More like him in the world. Yeah, who just you don't sit back and take it and instead stand up for themselves, and for you know things like art. is a piece of art. It really wouldn't pop up the a little better than stand up. I, Dunno humor seems to be building a little. As you drop your long or Wilton AC-. Draft your ball that you're playing with. Fifty five, four, hundred, fifty, free like freedom. Do you like potty humor I? Do you like low brow puns about things like Phallus idea a you can give us a call. We have more free talk live coming up. You can give us a call. This is free talk live. Have! You ever thought about turning your Glock xt. Family or nineteen eleven handgun into a semi automatic carbine. 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And go right to your calls in your thoughts. We have andy calling from Denver. What's on your mind tonight and you're on the air. A It's a it's Andrew, but in nothing, but yeah, no worries Dan Do Andy's my dad's name, but. Yeah I was I was actually just calling I heard in believe yourself talking to other people the other night speaking about applying the non aggression principle to animal. and. Kinda wanted to speak a little bit. I'm a I'm a vegetarian and. Also, Libertarian! Clarify was saying that I don't believe that animals have rights like humans do because they can't reciprocate them. Just wanted to clarify what my position was on that, either that's not to say I think they should be abused but I. don't I don't think they have rights. Okay Yeah. Yeah I remember that now. I tend to agree with you I. I chose to be a vegetarian out of purely. logical reasons I just decided that it was. Better not feel things and I'm my. My argument would be that I think that we should apply the non aggression principle to animals if we can, but I think you're right that they don't have rights because the thing is that if you really goes far thing, they have rights, then then you have to be able to use force and the threat of course to stop people from it, killing animals, or like you guys were talking about testing on animals and stuff like that and I I wouldn't find that. We asked the call. I would think. My my stance as a carnivore right I I love eating meats. steaks are great burgers great chicken, fish. Those are all dishes to me. My stance on it is that I would prefer. That the folks that I buy these things from. To. Satisfy my hunger whatever? I would prefer that they take a page out of the native American Indians Book where they? Use every part of the beasts right so if a bee's is going to be sacrificed. So that man can live that they at least show the beast, a little bit of respect in the afterlife if you believe in such a thing. Where they use every part of the beast for something useful, you know, make a tool you know. Make it into something else you know. Turn the skin into coat for the winter. That kind of thing because to me that makes the most sense. Because we do live on a planet that we share with other organic forms. Now when it comes to eating vegetables versus eating meat. You know human beings are animals. Other animals on the planet are carnivorous, omnivorous or herbivores, and so I don't find human beings to be any different or need to follow any different. You know rules when it comes to that because well, we are animals. Right and I. Mean I agree with you? But there is a difference you believe that we're conscious, and I also you know like you said we are Omnivores, and we can get our full nutritional value from nuts and seeds and plants and vegetables and I. Personally I've heard in the past. Say that he didn't think you. Could I think I believe I? Heard him say that aren't most vegetarians like Guinea impale I'm personally a body builder and I. I'm about five eight and way about two hundred pounds and. I worked out pretty frequently. My buddies, also a body builder and not like professional level, but we exercise and are very active, and also wanted to say something to. And it said something about soy, having estrogen, and I've heard and stays as. We were talking about was the impossible bird his particular. Brand or whatever? That somebody had called in that and that they had a lot of estrogen in them. compared to well any other burger or something like that like a a show the amount. And word that comes from his toys that it's made from soya sauce and common misconception they that people believe that it does have veteran in it, but it actually works as an estimated blocker because it tricks your body into thinking that it's produced enough accident, so actually allows you to reduce more on testosterone toasted common misconception. People think that if the beyond beef or soy or soy products that they're gonNA get boobs, or whatever and it it. Means just saying that's a fact about that product. Whatever that means I'm not drawing any conclusions about it. It does have that. Sure, but it can help with the building, but I guess my main argument would be that I think that ethically we should try to follow the non aggression principle with with animals, but I wouldn't followed as far as to say that they do have right because like you said you know, somebody does choose to live off the land if I ever actually. Actually needed me like if I really needed it, I would have no issue eating it. I just think that if you don't need it, you know what's the? What's the point needing it aside from just the pure taste batch pack, which is pretty midfield thing to to kill an animal over in my opinion but That was my thought I just wanted to. Throw that out there. Too strong a strong argument to say that. Human should rise above there's. That humans should rise above their station in life, and you know rise above the instinct of. Tearing flesh from the bones of another creature that we can rise above that if we want to. It's a persuasive argument, but eat meat is really taste and he did say something that trying to think. Do I know any fat vegetarians? Do I. Know Any or v You know what I mean. Do I know anybody that's? That's a big boy. Or girl whatever right you know that's that's overweight. Are Probably. Just pounds down the colas. Just yeah hounds down right. Is Vegan. Going to be Vegan or vegetarian, that takes a certain amount of discipline that may be less common among the obese. That's a good point now. I just. I just can't think I. Mean I've met plenty of vegans and Vegetarians in the course of my time. I'm just trying to think I'm like. Have I ever met one? That was you know severely overweight. You know that looks like a a mediator would be when they're overweight so It's just something that I'm not sure the question of. I'll have to keep my eye out for that I can tell you when I was visiting Tokyo later year, there were not very many overweight people at all. Let alone obese people I didn't see anyone who was who I would consider obese, and even seeing like just normal fat people was not a thing. They're interesting wasn't a thing I counted on one hand I was there for five days six days and rice is still a major part of their diet I suspect seafood as well meeting and I know they drink. They definitely drink so. Around at night time and there was some drunk. Japanese people. Do you think it's a evolutionary difference or do you think it's a cultural difference? I don't I'm not well enough? verster educated at all. I'm just some some bumpkin from the night. I'm going. Okay. I've I've got a theory about that because the The Japanese have. Okay I'm. Not GonNa have time to give this. Talk about it on. Nobody tells the truth Friday night at ten PM Eastern Oh thanks for getting that outbreak de live dot dot, FM indeed, and where can they learn about your campaign elec nobody dot com, because nobody knows how to live your life better than you do, and nobody deserves that kind of power. If you want some funny music, you can visit El Captain Kick. ASS DOT COM and of course FREETALKLIVE DOT com. Thanks, everybody have a good night. Remember when you first heard about bitcoin. How long did it take you to realize this little projects would soon changed the world. 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I specifically remember sitting on on a Thursday morning and you telling everybody around you that okay, it's really Saturday now. We're in the for Friday. Whatever it was Thursday and we're in the second hour of the next day's show and. It was hard to keep. Yeah, we did. We were doing our Saturday show on Thursday and Friday. It was fun. It was fun I really enjoyed doing the show from the fest. With you in the studio tonight? It's myself captain. It's in and nobody. And I had teased a little bit on this article. That is coming out of Washington state from Kiro. SEVEN DOT COM CORONA virus businesses will be required to refuse service to customers who don't wear face covering so before getting into any of the article the first thing I think of is. Okay so the government wants businesses to be forced. Police this thing for them, yes? They want business owners to be their agents unpaid agents. This seems. Like a horrible thing. Like? It sounds like fascism to me. The the businesses should not be policing laws because they're you know. The politicians have these nations that are supposed to be law enforcement. which was actually found in at at least one case, I believe in Florida. When he passed the smoking ban, there was a there was a bar that put up the required. No Smoking signs and just completely ignored it if you ignored the signs because they weren't there signs and I didn't care about him. And the they were sued by the government, or the government took some adverse action against them, and if I recall correctly, the Florida supreme court found that random private businesses could not be pressed into service. Is Law enforcement really yeah, so I don't. That's very vagary recollection of a case that must have been eighteen years ago, but It's would be an interesting thing. I'll have to look that up and see if I can find it now, didn't they already do a mandatory mask requirement in in Washington State? Didn't that already go into effect? Is this a now modification? This is from July fifth. So this is an update. Or last updated July fifth twenty twenty. This was published I believe on the same day. So this is pretty fresh to my feet. During a Thursday news conference governor Jay Inslee announced a new face covering requirement in response to the increase of COVID, nineteen cases in Washington. Businesses statewide will not be able to serve customers who don't wear facial coverings. This is part of the quote Mass Cup Open Up Unquote campaign. Now the interesting thing there is that there are people who for medical reasons can't wear a mass, so the next step would be defined a whole bunch of those people and get them to sue. All of these businesses under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Should be the the unfortunate thing is I would end up harming the business, and not the not the government is. Okay I need to find one more step there. governor Inslee says that we know that we need to mask up so that we can fully open up our economy, which is a lot of crap. In the next couple of days, inslee will be signing the proclamation making it a requirement across the state. It will go into effect Tuesday so tomorrow. This goes into effect so once again. Media uses words that I don't think they understand a proclamation. Isn't that normally just the saying of thing? Plan you must refuse service to those who are unmasked. Okay well, what is is this a law? No, it's not a law. It's a government. governors order right. It sounds that wake up in the next couple of days inslee will be signing the proclamation making it a requirement across the state. It'll go into effect Tuesday. That is from I'm not saying. The police will understand what the difference! They will do. Anything besides treat this. As though it's a law and actually go around in threatening arrest. people absolutely correct in that any lay person reading this goes. Oh, well sounds like a law. Yeah, I mean it's just basically to proclaim is to announce or declare an official or formal manner so I mean that's not the same thing as as making law, and of course, that's this whole. This whole time is one of the arguments that I've been making that. Even under the government system which I don't agree with at all I don't consent to, but even under the system. These aren't laws. Laws. They're just statements by governor that are being taken seriously. That are being acted upon as though they are law, right and most business owners are not in the mindset of trying to fight this stuff, so they'll just go along to get along, and they will do what they're told, and this is the part that bothers me that nobody is standing up. Nobody is you know pitching a hissy fit? Getting coverage. Not Yeah. I mean we haven't heard you know anything about it. I've seen no businesses. That I'm aware of that are like hey, wait a minute. Asking the questions that you're asking right now. Governor Inslee said starting Thursday Yakima businesses may not serve customers who are not wearing face masks and last week a statewide mandatory face covering order when into effect so. Washington state. It was other states that are doing that as well a little more information on a proclamation from the proclamation, the legal definition of proclamation that legal dictionary dot, free dictionary, Dot Com, and it says the President's proclamation has not the force of law in less when authorized by Congress as if Congress were to pass an act, which should take take effect upon the happening of contingent event, which was to be declared by the President by proclamation to have happened. In this case, the proclamation would give the act the force of law, which till then had wanted so basically congress can pass a law and say if the president proclaims this. Then, these things change in in the law. Mogi, but it's an I I'm assuming that's designed so that they can pass for example emergency law before it's needed because there won't be time to pass, it went. It's nine. They have done that. All of the states they have emergency orders provisions that do authorize the governor to make emergency orders that also questioning comes. What are the limits of those emergency I. Don't know orders. It sounds like fascism with extra steps. Well, I mean it's it's tyranny with. An extra step you have to make the proclamation for right. I proclaim nobody need where mask. And a lot of wear masks, necessarily you. Not Anybody. Know Person Need Wear Mask I. Proclaim it Therefore it shall be carried out then you are a captain. Is that how it works? Have I have I have? I now pass a law because I made a proclaim. You're a captain. What I made proclaim. I think it depends on what? Is on board. Right I do have a friend we call the. And I hope he's doing well. It says here just to finish up the article. Washington has seen an increase in covid nineteen cases, the latest statewide death toll as reported by the Department of Health had reached one thousand, three hundred fifty nine deaths among thirty, five, thousand, eight, hundred, Ninety, eight confirmed. arenavirus cases as of eleven fifty nine PM on Saturday. And then it gives you a breakdown of what the county's having that kind of thing, so my might be. A thousand something deaths one, thousand, three, hundred and fifty nine. Hundred fifty nine? Okay got it. And, so my beef here is just that. Why can't people just make their choices? If the business wants to mandate masks themselves, they should be free to do so then refuse to customers who don't wear masks. 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If this is going on in the state of Washington, you can bet your Busa that it is going to go on in other states as well and no sir. I do not like it. No Sir. Like green eggs and Ham. It's almost as bad as the time. That, the US government banned sliced bread because remember that. I feel like I've heard about this at some point. I had never before it popped up on my news feed and I was like what. Because you know the saying it's. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread. What was the greatest thing before sliced bread? But it was probably pretty close. But according to another story on this Washington situation businesses could face fines or a loss of their business license if they do not. Of course, of course, they're going to take away their permission to conduct business. Their liquor license their business license. They'll force them to close down and if they refused to do that. Then of course, men with costumes and guns will show up to force them to shut down and if they refused, they report the authority to end their lives. I mean I know. You want to go on here, but I've got something else. Here's a quote. Drouin Mickey Sotos of the Bang Bang Cafe and Bang Bang Kitchen. Restaurant tour says quote. I love the new requirements. He says we've installed the no mask. No service rule last week, and we haven't had anything more than one grumbling customer that left. We also have disposable mask at the Front for people that don't have one and almost always people are grateful. It takes the burden off our shoulders and places it on the government, which is where it should be. None of that makes any sense know it. Well what he's saying is that he gets to cop out and do what he wanted to do anyway and blame it on the government now so now in a customer says well. I don't want to wear a mask. He says well looks not my problem, lady. The government said we had to do this so even though that's what he really wants. The question is who died me left the government gone well. Apparently, everybody I at least most people according to this guy, most of his customers have totally only fine with it in Seattle. Well there, there is a large population in Seattle doing the shaming It is an incredibly self righteous stance that they appear to have. and. The more I think about it. The more I think that that is just such a horrible position to take on the whole matter to Oh, well I'm helping. You're not right, and it's just you know that is such a Karen move in my book. Well, the other the other thing that's interesting is both of the sides are appropriating the Karen meam for their own purposes. They are I've seen to. It's now you're? You're a Karen. If you make according to the left left liberal media in these stories, if you go into a store and you may casino over not wearing a mask. You're also Karen Yeah I saw that. I saw some article they were. The lefties were all this lady threw a Tantrum in Walmart because they wouldn't serve her without a and PA, care such a care kind of thing. I saw that article. Others are a little wary of trends by the way from Seattle Dot Eater Dot, com at are others are a little wary of trying to keep up with all the new regulations trained again owner of Bainbridge Island Vietnamese restaurant Bossa says she and her staff have been enforcing the mask mandate from the very beginning quote, and it hasn't been an issue on clothes still there are complications that come. Come with any new law. She says quote. When we're forced to enforce the mask rules that puts a lot of stress on our staff operation. Our main job is to cook and host not to police whether or not patrons are wearing masks. We tried to remind ourselves. There will be many changes to come until a vaccine is found until then. It won't be the same to run a restaurant. Restaurant during this time, and of course she's right. You don't get into business to crack down on your on your customers. She wants to just take care of her customers. And now the state is mandating that she be some sort of authoritarian Rachel Yang is the chef and co owner of acclaimed Freeman restaurants jewel in revel, she says quote. It's a whole new world for sure. She said that. That on the first week weekend of the original mask mandate gang said most customers were wearing masks. The staff gave face coverings out to those who didn't bring their own quote. We asked them to wear when they are not at their table. Overall everyone knows and understands the new reality when you're not so, what if you like gotta get up to go to the bathroom? Wash your hands if To staff for some reason you have to get out of your seat for any reason. You have to wear a mask. Okay, so she calls it the new reality, so if masks are effective, why is their social distancing? 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Follow us on facebook, twitter and instagram. This is pastor. Rick's Daily hope the Audio Broadcasts Ministry of Pastor Rick Warren Today we continue with the series called forty days in the word in these lessons. Rick teaches us what it means to not just be hearers of the word, but also doers of the word in just a few moments. We're going to tell you how you can get the DVD study kit of this great series and you can. Can take a sneak peek at this valuable tool by going to pastor Rick Dot Com while you listen to today's message. That's pastor Rick Dot. com or just text the word daily two, eight, hundred, six, hundred, five, thousand four. That's the word daily two, eight, hundred, six, hundred, five, thousand, four right now. Here's Pastor Rick Warren with part. One of a message called seen what God wants me to see. If? You've ever thought this, you know. I just never get anything out of the Bible. When I read it, it's just flat out boring. Anything out of it. It seems dry. I don't understand it doesn't make sense. I don't know what the big deal about it is. It seems like a closed book to me. If, you've ever felt that way. You picked a good weekend again to church. Because! I'M GONNA explain why the Bible is a closed book to you and how? God wants to open it up and how you can start seeing what God wants you to see. The fact is the Bible is a difficult book. If you don't understand the principle of illumination, that's what we're going to talk about this week now week one. We talked about inspiration. The seven reasons you know that you can trust God's word that this is not just a human book. It is the actual word of God. It is God's word to us and the seven reasons. We know that. Then last week we looked at foundation. The seven reasons God gave his word what he wants to do with it in your life how it makes a difference. What the Bible was given for this week. We're going to look at the issue of love illumination. You know earlier this week. I had to go over to Lowe's to buy a new lamp for my study, I. Obviously spend a lot of hours reading and studying and I've had this really very strong halogen lamp. Extremely Bright, and makes everything really clear and I loved it, but this last week it just died on me, not the bulbs, but the actual itself so went over to Lowe's to buy one of these new study lamps, and the only lamps that they had for study were these newfangled ones that only used the new wimpy light bulbs. You know the ones that are like one third is bright as all the others, the brighter the bulb, the clearer see isn't that true brightness increases clarity, and that the more light the more you could see. That's why you WANNA. Get a picture taken a portrait of yourself. You don't WanNa Bright Click light on you because it's GonNa show every malformed action, every blemish every wart, every temple everything in your face. No, you want the less liked now. This is true when it comes to God's word, the more light more enlightened your mind, the more illuminated your mind. The more you're going to get out of God's word. It's not just the Bible. It's illumination now. What is it look on your outline? Here's the definition of illumination leading the Holy Spirit. Show me the meaning of God's Word and how it applies to my life, illumination is leading the Holy Spirit. Show me the meaning of God's Word and how it applies to life. You know before Jesus went back to heaven. He said I'm going back to Heaven after the Resurrection, but I'm GonNa send my spirit to live with you and live in you. The Holy Spirit and one of the things that the holy skirts job is to do is to illuminate the Bible help. You see things in this book that you would not otherwise see and if you don't have that, you're gonNA. Miss a lot on the Bible. It's kind of like. Christmastime when I bought my grandkids all these gifts, a lot of the gifts said batteries not included. Well, the toy with the battery not included is still a toy, but it doesn't have its full potential. Okay because you've gotTa have the power to make that little toy run. And God says not only have I. Given you revelation, but I've given you inspiration. That's the power to interpret to understand to see things that you've never seen before, and this is the Holy Spirit's job. Let me show you some versus John Fourteen twenty six. Jesus said. The counselor the Holy Spirit whom the father will send in my name. We'll teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. He says he's going to teach you and remind you. What have I said? You know what this is. The Bible is what God has said to us what Jesus said to us. John Fourteen seventeen. He is the Holy Spirit who leads into. into. Ultra is a Holy Spirit. That leads you to understand what the truth is in the word of God. John, Sixteen fifteen, the spirit will take from what is mine. That's the words of Jesus and make it known to you. It is the illumination of the revelation. It is God spirit saying this is what this means in your mind as you read it. That makes it known to you. If Asians one seventeen I ask the glorious father and God of Our Lord Jesus Christ. To. Give you his spirit the Holy Spirit. And the spirit will make you wise. and. Let you understand what it means. To Know God circle the phrase, let you understand the holy. Spirit will make you wise and let you understand what it means to know God. This is the batteries included. This is the power part of revelation. What am I saying? See this book crater. It's supernatural, not only in that. It is God's word, but this is the only book you'll ever have where you can talk to the author while you're reading it. You will never read any other book where you can talk to the author while you're reading it. And that's called elimination, and as I read this book I say no Lord Holy Spirit. What does this mean? What does it mean to me? How can it make a difference in my life? How am I supposed to use this today and the Holy Spirit whispers been my year. He puts thoughts. He puts impressions. He opens my eyes. He illuminates. He lightened. The light goes on my mind and go. Oh, that's what that's all about. And you can ask. What did he mean? How does this work? How does elimination work well look in the next verse? Fusion chapter one, verse eighteen and Nineteen explains it. I pray also that the eyes of your heart he's got is in my heart. Explain that minute I. Pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened. Illuminated. In. Order that you may know the hoped which is called you. And the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints. And his income terribly great power. For us, who believe now I want you to circle the phrase the eyes of your heart. What's he talking about there? When you are born physically everything you learn in life comes through the five senses that God gave you when you're born. God gives you five senses here, taste touch, smell, and feel and everything you experience in your entire life. For as long as you live, you'll experience on earth through the five senses that God gave you hear touch, taste, smell and feel if you don't have those you don't experience anything. Now. That's when you're physically born. Spiritually born again when you are reborn into God's family when you are saved when you become personally acquainted with, God you develop a relationship with Jesus when you are born again, God gives you a second set of census, and you get spiritual ears to hear some things you never heard before. And you! Get spiritualized Austin. You start to see some things about life. You didn't see before and all of a sudden. You feel some things that you didn't feel before. These are the eyes of your heart. The spiritual sense of see you'll actually live in two worlds. There is the spiritual world which we cannot see. God and angels and all of that, and then there is the physical world which we can see now. Actually the spiritual world created the physical world. This virtual world has lasted longer than the physical world. It will outlast the physical world one day. Everything's going to vanish here. This building will crumble this couple fall apart. The table will decay rust. Whatever a physical things don't last. They are temporary. But God and his angels, and the spirit inside you is going to last forever so actually the spiritual world is more real than the physical world. You just can't see it. Unless got opens your eyes to see things that you would not normally see. That's called illumination now it says I. Pray the eyes of your heart. That's your spiritual eyes will be enlightened. Circle the word enlightened. That word in Greek is the word fo- tease Oh. We get the word photo from it. What is the photo? It is an image of light on a piece of paper or through digitization. An image of why to enlighten means to shine the light on something. And what it means is when you're reading the Bible all sudden. Monday you though the light bulb comes on your life, Bam. I've never seen that before. It's the. Moment you go! I've read that verse. I never seen that before. That's exactly what I needed. That's exactly what I needed today right now to encourage me to help me to know which way to go. Wow, Aha Eureka. I found it I. Get it. Yes, I understand it. Is Illumination. Now. For many of you that has never happened in your life, the Bible, you just read words Blah Blah Blah. Blah Blah Blah. And you've never had one of those Aha. Wow, that's exactly what I needed. I needed that from the Bible. Wow, I always wanted to know what the answer was. And now I know that's aluminum. That's when the batteries are included. And you read the revelation, and the spirit does the illumination and you go get it. Some of you. That's happened in frequently. where it's happened every once in a while, I'm going to teach you. Today how to make this a regular part of your daily Bible, reading. So that more than just print on a piece of paper. You're going to read the Bible. It's GonNa come alive. That is so good. That is wonderful and I never saw that before I needed. As it's God speaking directly to me when that happens, your spiritual eyes are open, and that's called illumination now what actually happens when God opens? My spiritual eyes I wanNA spend the majority of today's message on that and I'm going to tell you four stories from the Bible illustrate this, and then at the end I'm just going to very quickly in about five minutes. Give you the five ways to. How how to do this in your life, but let's look first at the benefits because when God begins to illuminate your mind, and you learn how to cooperate with the Holy Spirit all of a sudden. They're all kinds of really cool benefits in your life. You're going to want these. You might write them down. Number one I when God opens by spiritual eyes when I see things that he wants me to see them, I see the solution to my problem. That's the first thing that happens I. See the solution to my problem. Now the story we're going to look at is in Genesis Chapter Twenty one. You Might Genesis Twenty one down. It's the story of Sarah and Abraham. and. Hagar and their sons, Isaac and ish meal. Now you know this story that God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation, the nation of Israel, and that God would give him a son to be the heir to this great nation. At. Ninety years of age, Abraham's still doesn't have a son. This is a problem. And Ram, this is a problem and Sarah said you're not kidding. It's a problem. It's Big Problem Sarah comes up with plan B. And Sarah says to Abraham. She look. I'm too old to have baby. God's promise to gives chuck. Why don't you do this? Why don't you take my assistant? My Handmaiden? Hagar, and she'll be a surrogate mother and you have a baby through her. Abram go great idea. Great Idea Sarah and so Hagar gets pregnant. With Abraham Shop. This is not God's plan. This is Sara's plan. But the little baby is born, and he's a beautiful little baby, and they name him Ishmael, and Ishmael begins to grow up and Abraham holds up Ishmael before God and says. You. Have given me the promised boy. And guys says. That's not my plan that Sarah's plan. Now I love this meal and he's a good kid, and I'm going to make him a great nation to, but he's not the promised. Miracle Boy! Later by a miracle, Sarah does get pregnant and she has a little boy named Isaac who becomes the father of the Jewish nation by the way, ish meal becomes the father of the Arab nations. Ishmael is the father of all the Arab nations today. Now Sarah gets upset and she starts getting jealous and she's thinking ish meals a little bit older. He's the firstborn. He's probably going to get the inheritance Abraham's go to favor him, and she gets jealous, and she kicks out Hagar and her young baby son. And he says out here. You're no longer my assistant. Get Out of here. And she kicks him out into the desert, and we pick the story up in Genesis. Chapter Twenty one verse fourteen. It says this. Early the next morning Abraham took some food a skin of water. Canteens that have animal skins in those days and gave them to Hagar. And set them on his shoulders and he. He sent her off with the boy. He's kicking her out of the House. And she went on her own and wandered in the desert. Wandered in the desert a bear Sheba. And when the water in the canteen was gone. She put the little boy ishmail under one of the bushes. And she went off and sat down near by about a bow shot away for she thought. I cannot watch this little boy I. They're not only starving to death. They're thirst. They're out in the desert. I cannot watch this boy and she sat there nearby. She began to SOB. This is a very tragic scene. Of Rejection? Now God heard the little boy crying. And the Angel of God called the Hagar from Heaven, and he said to her. What's the matter Hagar? Do, not be afraid. God heard this little boy, crying allies their lift up the boy, and take him by the hand for I will make him. into a great nation and he did all the Arab nations came out of Ishmael. Now, we pick up the store in verse nineteen on your outline, and it says there. Then God opened her eyes circle that phrase God opened her eyes. And she saw a well of water. So she went, and she filled the skin a canteen with water and gave the boy a drink. And as you know, they survived that event and she went on an Ishmael became the follow father of all the Arabs. Here's the point. She had the solution right in front of her this well of water, but she couldn't see it until God opened, her eyes illuminated. Her mind hoped her see from a different perspective. I don't know what problem you're going through right now. But you've got problems in your life. You bought. Frankly, I don't see any way around this. There's no answer to it. I can't see the solution I. Just looks like one dead end after that I cannot see the solution. You need to have your mind illuminated. You need the Holy Spirit to enlighten your mind. You need him to open your spiritualize, so you can see the solution in God's word. You're never going to see the solution that your problem on your own you've tried and I don't see how we're going to get out of this one, but you need to see from God's point of view and when God opens your eyes, you see the resources that were literally right there in front of you. But you didn't see him. Story number two. The second benefit of having your eyes spiritually open is i. see the barrier to my progress. I not only see the solution to my problems, but I see the barrier to my progress. You have some things you've been wanting to do in your life, and you've been wanting to start a business or start a family. Or get out of debt, or you've had some goal or some dream and you've won, and you've been trying to make progress on it, but you just keep bumping up against an invisible wall and is going I. Don't get it I'm trying the best I. Can. I'm doing the best I can. I'm not making any progress. You need to have your eyes open your eyes illuminated. The story that gives a good example of this is in numbers, chapter twenty two. You might write that down numbers twenty two, and it's the story of a guy named Bela Bela was a prophet of God. He was a man of God. But ballum decided and agreed to help the bad guys and this kit. God off was wait a minute belan. You're supposed to be my representative and you're. GonNa help the bad guys. And so as Belan starts on his journey to go help the bad guys God puts an angel in his pathway and blocks progress. Only, Belan can't see the angel and so he doesn't know what's going on, but his barrier to progress was invisible and he could not see it. So, he's heading off on this journey to go out the bad guys. We pick up the story in Verse Twenty Two number twenty two. But God was furious that bail 'em was going, so he sent the angel of the Lord to stand in the road to block balance way. Now Belem's donkey actually saw the angel standing in the road with a drawn sword in San the dog because he had been aimed in, and the donkey bolted off the road into a field. Out of fear, Daelim beat the donkey and turned it back on the road. This funny Belan can't what's going on, but the tonky can. And he he's this angels unroadworthy big because I'm not going there in the donkeys pretty smart. He goes off into the ditch. Bela Beats Donkey. He gets angry. It's not the donkeys fault. He can't see what. What's out there? So then the second time says then the angel. The Lord stood at the place where the road narrowed. This is the second time the road narrowed between two vineyard wall, so it's getting very narrow. And the Angel Ord stood in the middle now, when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord Standing there, it tried to squeeze by the angel. And crushed, Bela foot against the wall. We always get hurt. When we're trying to do something God doesn't want us to do. We always get our foot crushed. We always get hurt and bail. Them doesn't see what's going on. belan looks at the dunk. Why did you do that? Why'd you run against the wall and break my leg? and. He says he beat the donkey again. He's angry. Third Time then. The Angel of the Lord moved farther down the road and stood in place so narrow that the donkey could not even get by. This time when the donkey saw, the angel just lay down under bail them. Smart Donkey. I give up. He just collapses and he gives up in a fit of rage the Bible says. Bay Lem beat it again with staff. Now, we pick up the story on your outlined in Verse Thirty One. Then the Lord opened. Dellums is circle that phrase. This is the LUMA nation. He opened. Belem's is and now Bela off. WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS! He saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. No Way Jose you're not passing this way. So what does Bailey do now? That is is rope. He bows down low, and he falls down face down any worships God. Now that is a very strange, strange strange story. But here's the point. You have plans in your life. That aren't working out and you try to go this way and you get blocked and you try to go this way and you get blocked. You try to go this way and you blocked and you're getting mad at everybody else. You're mad at your wife. You're mad at your husband. You're beating your donkey. You're taking it out on your your kids. You're talking about your boss behind his back and on and on and on and you're mad at everybody because you can't see what the real problem is. God is blocking that issue. He is trying to keep you from making a serious mistake and God said I'm not GonNa let you go down road, and no matter how much you beat your head against the wall. I'm not GonNa let you go down that road. 'cause I love you too much, and you're GONNA be stopped by it. This is pastor rix daily Ho-. We're so glad you're with us today. If you'd like to connect with Rick on Facebook, instagram or twitter just go to pastor Rick Dot Com and click on his social media links. Rick will be back in just a moment to close out our time today but I. is it enough to just love the word and learn the word pastor? Rick Warren Says No if we want to see lasting. Lasting changes in real growth in our lives. We've got to live the word to. That's why rick created. A tool called the forty days in the word study kit. This kid include six video sessions on DVD and the two hundred six page two color workbook in the workbook. You'll find six easy to learn methods for reading and meditating on scripture. These are the very methods that pastor. Rick uses in his own personal daily. Daily quiet time. You'll also find a personal forty days in the Word Journal in Bible, Verse Memorization Cards With Twenty. Bible verses, every believer should memorize. There's even a special section called how you can know. The Bible came from God and the guide. 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Welcome to sixty six forty ministry outreach of Cornea House and quantity institude today's Bible teachers, Dr Chuck Mesler connecting the Bible to your life and the world around you in today's study Dr Meltzer continues his teaching on the book of Romans Chapter Five. Not, only that we glory in tribulations knowing that tribulation we're gonNA patients and patients, experience and experience hope see there's a chain-reaction. We go from tribulation. The patients experience. Having, endured of having experienced it. To Hope. Interesting to notice. The climax. Of spiritual maturity. Is Hope. When we get upset. Frustrated. It's a demonstration that we haven't lost our sense of hope. You have hoped those things don't matter. Interesting. The word experiences not me a proven character a proof. A specimen of tried worth is what it means here in terms of experience. And it keeps on producing character. Character produces hope. That's not that's not. That's not a logical thing to think through. The process of maturity. Tribulation worketh braces, and what's here is more by the way more than just a stoical endurance of troubles. You? No, that's not what's not. That's not what's in view here. Just toughing it through no. Quite the contrary. If? That's what's happening. You're missing the point. You're missing the opportunity. Although endurance or steadfastness is the first result. In an outgrowth from stress. Spiritual glorying. Not Bragging in spiritual glorying. In afflictions. Knowing from, Oita the. Perception that the end product of this chain reaction is hope that soon. You'll do that when you've experienced it. That's word. See. This is an elegant by this whole thing by the way. Is An elegant rebuttal. To the what we call confessors. The name it and claim it gang blabbing. Grab it. On television. You've all seen them right. You're not wearing a Rolex watch because you have enough eighth. You're sick. That's because you don't believe. Paul had a real problem. He had a thorn in the flesh. If if he lacked faith in big trouble, no those guys have miskin the wealth and the health and wealth guys. Are Tragedy. because. They mislead so many people in that in on this particular issue at. And those promoters shunned this passage. Is this puts to push them to the live. He will the process maturity. We have flabby Christians. No pain, no gain is the game right? Isn't that way you grow strength, right? The figure liquids and Carinthia what Second Corinthians. We then as workers together with them, beseech you also that you received not the grace of God in vain. Can you receive the grace in vain? Absolutely, he said so. Boy Say. If I have heard the time accepted attack. The Day of salvation have I scored. The behold now is the accepted time bill now is a day of salvation in. Giving offense in anything that the ministry not be blamed, but in all things approving ourselves as Ministers have God in much patience and afflictions necessities in distresses in stripes in imprisonments. In tumults. Labor's in watchings, fastenings, and by pureness by knowledge by long-suffering by kindness by the holy by love on vein by the truth word of the truth by the power of God by the arm of righteousness on the right hand on the left. By honor and dishonor by report and good report as deceiver, and yet true as unknown and yet well-known dying behold we live as chastened and not killed. That's the way he's describing the walk. We're dealing with as sorrowful in yet always rejoicing. As poor yet, making many rich as having nothing and yet possessing things. Maturity. How do you measure maturity by the presence of hope? Much endurance perseverance to persist in spite of difficulties to keep on keeping on. Okay. Proven character. By the way the root word for the Greek in for that is something engraved. Transitory, it's engraved. Get the feeling that. This permanent. It's etched qualities of moral commitment, dependability, self-discipline, fortitude, trustworthy, moral fibers, probably good synonym here. Let's stop for a second. Wait a minute. How many anyone here have no trials? was never experienced any trials. Most of you have I guess how many have experienced trials? Okay I got my got always got hundred percent on that one, okay. Do you ever wonder why Christians trials? About ten reasons. To glorify God. Daniel Three. By refers. The glorify God. There's other examples. To discipline for known sin, there are times when you trials as a form of taking the widget that doesn't necessarily mean trials. Job is a counter counter example. But there are lots of places where you can find trials as a discipline for. Job's three friends were sure that was the cause there. To prevent it from falling into sin. Sometimes we'll have a trial to keep us from falling into sin. That's God's. Protective Guidance here. Here's a here's. Here's an important one to keep us from pride. Sometimes we have trials to keep us from pride best examples Paul. Paul was kept from pride by what he called his thorn in the side. He had some. Authority flesh, he had some kind of malady. I come back to the speculations of what it was, but the main points. He kept praying about this thorn in the flesh she had he had a problem, apparently medical problem that was an encumbrance on his ministry, and he prayed again and again and again. And God said my grace is sufficient for the and Paul realized that that trial that stress was God's way of keeping him from being proud. What was that stress apparently by reading carefully as things we. Suspect. That it was an eye problem. In fact, not only have eyesight problem, but apparently it was. Unattractive in appearance because his friends knew that he had this eye problem. And he compensates for it by in certain. Relations by signing. Signing the document he had A. Menu analysts do the writing. He signed it with big hand to avoid the because there was a forgery issue and stuff, but anyway his eyes from glaciers for and also. Four fifteen. He makes a reference that makes it sound like splash was a problem and at the end of the thing he also. Signed in a large hand, so we infer. Commonly Thought Monks Collins that, but the main point was. He had this trial. You want to call it that that kept him from pride also trials to build your faith. Build your faith. You want the best example that read my wife's book faith in the night seasons. Where dark times. Are brought by God. To draw, US. Into intimacy with him. Very dramatically. Portrayed in her. Over trilogy series. There's more reasons to cause growth. That's what we're dealing here in Romans five. It's a growth process. Teach Obedience and discipline. Acts Nine Philippians Four. To Equip Buster Comfort others? have. You gone through some really tough trial, maybe business bankruptcy. That might be to train you help. EARN A business bankruptcy. Have you lost a child? Maybe, train you to comfort someone who's lost a child. Maybe stepping on sensitive does here, but the point is the trial. You may have endured maybe for that purpose. God training you to be effective. There are some kinds of counseling and ministries. It makes it's useless unless you've been there. You. Know what I'm talking about. To prove the. Reality of Christ in US. By for witness in effect. And even one in the scripture as a testimony to the angels. Do! You realize the angels. Can't see ahead. God has that he's the from beginning. Angels Don't necessarily I'm glad they don't. Satan's angel. He had capability. Arche was that he was he was. He was the boss. They don't have that skill. We get clues in the scripture that the angels in heaven. Discover God's plan by watching it unfold with us. The Peter Talks about the? Certain things that are going on that the desire to look into you sort of get the impression. They're up at the MEZZANINE watching with fascination. ooh, yeah, Oh, now I get it. Yeah, you know. Unless you get to James. You all know James couple of versus people. I think it was well known my brethren. Count it all joy when you fall in the divers, temptations of trials. Knowing this that the trying of your faith work of patients and let patients have her perfect worker completed work that Ye may be complete an entire wanting nothing. So when you have. Problems count it all joy. Now. Christians will use it almost as a sarcastic phrase. When we have a real say you got a flat tire. Oh, well, count it all joy. We kid about it a little bit, but we're supposed to do that. You know when you get that. Blow out on the freeway. Well God must have some purpose here. And you just trust him right? Okay, let's keep going here. Now the highest we see we're. We're supposed to be maturing and faith. WHAT'S THE END product? What's I often have said. And I'm corrected here. I often said the way you tell how mature you ours. How much do you measure maturity by? Do you hate you hate sin as much as God does. God. Loves Center we get it backwards. We Love Sin. Violence on television. We love. We hate the center. No, no, no, we backwards. We got it backwards. God hates sin, but loves the center. The highest maturity isn't what I've said many times. How Much Do you hate sin? That is something worth understanding the highest form maturity is the measure your hope. If your hope is complete, you won't get any frustrate. You won't have any frustrations. Conference in the future over the president is what hope is confidence in the future over the president. We have confidence. You may not know what the future is, but do you have confidence future? That's called. It's faith that's aimed at future things. You're going to have faith in terms of pass things. I believe Jesus Christ as I. Indeed I can think of all kinds of statements I can make that I. Have Faith no faith aimed at future things would be called hope. He lacks hope in the future frets over the least circumstances. I'd be embarrassed if you knew how often. I lose my temper. Over inanimate objects. A drawer that sticks something that spills when I didn't intend it to you know. And I get upset, but what is I watched my anti. Antics! What really makes them stupid? and. There's probably some other additives in there. We're talking about inanimate objects. Now if I get upset with a person, whole different thing and that problem is. A lot less in every. I think overcoming but. I still. GET, upset! You know with a stuck zipper or jammed door or something and. Hurry and and that is those that means I not trust in the future. A lack, it is in effect at the bottom line. I'll of hope. It's a lack of trust future. Reading. Frustrations which guilty of often. Demonstrate a lack of perspective. If a real perspective you don't bother. Me Body. And often after being over, stand back you laugh at yourself. Why wasn't that stupid? Yeah was. You should have joined difficult circumstances troubles. That's the net of all this. Difficulties can be are used by God to develop proven character. Proven character. Let's go on and hope make if not ashamed, because the love of God has shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost, which is given to us, the shame. Here's using the sense of disappoint. Put to shame, because of disappointment is perhaps the right way to say. Especially an unfulfilled promises. Ashamed and can't con-. Pressed with hope. And Lots of verses that do with it. The love of because the love of God, Ah, shed abroad. The love of God here's used in this objective genitive case, which means it's the ability to comprehend the love that he has for us. That's really what's implied here. Bras to, comprehend. The love this there. And shed abroad poured out maybe another way to say it the perfect tense, which means keep on. Yes, you've done it, but it continues as the idea. Is Given. That's the era tense because that's once and for all, that's given once and for all, but it continues. On. That's the flavor of the Greek infants. The Holy Spirit's mentioned here for the first time in Paul's epistle. And? He's going to mention it twenty times. In this crescendo that we're anticipating and Romans Eight. Romans eight is the high ground. That's what we're working. We're earning our way up to is to really savor and enjoy this climax. Who Call Chapter Eight and Enrollment Chapter Eight the Hospital Twenty Times interesting contrast. Now the Ministry of the Holy Spirit is the seal of God. We're going to start looking at the logic I'm using logic here in the computer since the Bouillon sense the logic of. This ministry the Holy Spirit. Is the Seal of God. And what does the seal? Something is intended to be never broken. Never broken. Holy Spirit is the commitment. The earnest or Earnest money or down payment to La Bargain. It's the down payment of their inheritance glory. That's what the. Spirit is. Each believer has the spirit of Christ. We're going to see that hammered and Romans eight when we get there. Every one of you. Even if you're not speaking in tongues. Okay. That's a footnote. About check. First Corinthians, twelve thirteen and fourteen, but then we move on you and is in dwelled by the. If you are a believer. He is in dwelling you. May Not be a lot of evidence of that. You may be very successfully throttled fraud alling any outward. bulling of that. But it's there. And you got to do with it. There is a shakeup coming. We need to have our priorities straight not with our eyes on the world. One of the things we emphasize in the inequality institute. Is the car track? We have the Berea track where we started the word of God. Exposition verse by verse and that's the backbone of it. But these are track is where we try to understand this lens of his car. Understand. The Times. The tools there are very different, not dealing with truth like the Bible. We're dealing with disinformation misinformation bias that we is. That's inherent in the information. It's available to US nevertheless through all that there are two transcend. What really is true? What is really happening? And as we do that, we want to do that for stewardship on the other hand wanted to be very careful as we do that, not have our eyes on the world. But on him. Anyway getting back, this persecution is a catalyst Christian growth. And the body of Christ. is going to have a tremendous opportunity for growth. In the next few years. The complacency and the apathy that has characterized the last few decades is gonNA evaporate before our eyes. For lots of different reasons. And people who have been apathetic or complacent. are suddenly going to be a woken. And Searching for answers. And God's calling you to be prepared. To give them those answers? That's what the third commandment is all about thou shalt not take the name of the Lord God in vain. It's talking about Ambassadorship, not vocabulary. That's not about swearing. That's about ambassadorship. If you're going to take on the name of the king, which I think most of you would raise your hand, so you are. Then you better be prepared to represent that king competently and faithfully. Because persecution is coming as a catalyst for Christian growth. That's gone. There's those were exciting times if you have your focus on the right things. The blessed hope. The hope of his appearing. Pressures. Should lead exultation as character grows. That's what James Means that you should count it all joy. Hope simply the certainty. You have about God's promises for the future. Do you believe him then if so rejoice? I'm so worried about Israel. The bombers and the rockets and the death. Hey, he that keeps. Israel will either slumber sleep. I don't worry about Israel because God's hand is on them. I do worry about America. For lots of reasons. Let's continue for six, and when we were yet without strength in due time, Christ died for the ungodly. That's amazing. He died for the ungodly now. If anyone's a cabinet here, my apologies to you. B- died for the ungodly. He died for all men well. He only died for those same. That's a calvinistic idea. That's not biblical. That doesn't mean the Calvin Sarong about everything, but the wrong about that. died everybody. Is Not Willing that any should perish all come to repentance. Wasn't limited. There's no limited atonement. None the Bible. When we were yet without strength in due time, Christ died for whom. ME. The ungodly! The, four like one of these therefore. The logical connector. Show how great that love is! And it's his glove. The greatest of his love is is substantiated by the kind of people died for undeserving. Totally, undeserving. Helpless. That's where you can do nothing to help yourself absolutely nothing not even a little. You can't assist the process. And the ungodly means. Incompatible. And at the right time, everything was done at the right time not late at the right time. dudas to not plan to betray Christ that night. Because they had planned not to do not. Fear of the Romans. It happened that night because Christ made it happen that night because he announces it. Bugs. ME. The words out. It's like saying it's like saying to Judas Fisher cut bait. Now's your point. If you're going to do it, you gotTa do it now you WanNa have a choice. But you do do quickly. Split make arrangements. They hadn't made the arrangement. That's why you seventy so long. There's a lot going on behind the scenes to make it all happen. In due time house us all taught is taught by sacrifices, which in the past and the autism are like a passion, play the sacrifices sacrifices, and all that stuff was a foreshadowing of the cross. was going to be. Are they going to be sacrificed the millennium absolutely? They'll be celebrations rather, than. After the fact, rather than celebrations, before the fact, strangely enough, the passion play of innocent animals. Passions is like Psalm twenty two passages like Isaiah fifty three, which is written seven hundred fifty years before the fact. Or Daniel Nine, which lays it down precisely virtually five centuries before the fact one hundred years earlier. All taught taught by scripture. And taught by the enactment taught by the festivals, the seven piece of Moses lay it all out. P. H. Y. Christian wants to understand what's behind all of those. What's over? What's everything's four time were written for our learning Paul. tells us they'll tell us that later rooms fifty. Let's go on. We're scarcely. Were scarcely for a righteous man will one die. There's very few people. Where they deserve to be died for you. Don't normally volunteer for that sort of thing. Yet per adventure for a good man, some would even dare to die. And did they have? Our soldiers have stood up to be counted. Willingness to give their life for this country. They may not realize that they have picked up the obligation to do that for the UN. And had a big debate. At the? Homecoming a few months ago with a leadership there. And you try to explain to me how they rationalize off of office for the Constitution means. You're subject to the UN. If that's the case. I wouldn't let my kids go to the academy's. Berry we had a little tiff about that, but the point is. Let's move on here. This is in contrast by the way to human thinking. The highest expression of human love and God's love. Is there anyone that you die for? You could probably list less than number on one hand. I'm sure. Turn it around. The are any of those willing to die for you? That might make the number even smaller. Rose Eight, but God commanded his love toward us in that while we were yet, sinners Christ died for us. Christ died for you before you were a good guy. Assuming. You ever work okay. Commanders. Soon as CEO is the word actually? Demonstrates proven. Action not words in action. That's what the word commended there in the Greek means. While centers, The word means defiantly rebel against with scorn. Rebelling against God scorn US game. then. We get one of the many much Moore's. This is the first of a whole series of much. Moore's Paul loves that phrased much more than much more than. Much more than being now justified his blood. That's what we're justified by. We'll come back to this is all this is all about justification. We shall be saved from wrath through him. You don't want Rath trust me. What can be more than this fact, his blood already. There's nothing more valuable more effective. For your benefit and the blood of Jesus Christ. That overshadows. Anything you may have done. What about NASA in the Old Testament. Blood from border to border shed at his with his rampages. You've got forgave before it was over, even him. Justify let me by justified justification. Fancy word means declared righteous. You're not right just yet. But before the throne of God you're declared righteous. You've got that label. Dirty declared innocent. But that's okay. Your declared innocent. Really. Great I'll take it I'll take it. Ties to the first thing. I vs thing. How then can one ever? Be Lost. If that's what saved you. Can you lose your salvation? There are a lot of people around and say you can once. You've got to preserve your salvation. People say that do not understand the pauline definition of salvation. Because if you're saved, you're born again. How do you become unborn? Once you're born again. You might not be what you should be. But you're still born again. There's a whole another issue. We're GONNA. Get to call sanctification a whole different story. Not Worry about right now. How can one ever one save be lost answer you can't be. Because you're saved through. Him Not us. You've been listening to sixty six forty, the ministry outreach of India House and Clinton. Institute today's Bible Teacher was Dr Check Mesler teaching through the book of Romans for complete listing resources available. Please visit KP DOT Org. You can also call us on one eight hundred, K. House one to learn more about Kony Institute. Please visit Corny Institute Dot Org. Thank you for listening to sixty six forty, and for your continued prayerful support of this ministry until next time as we continue this series. May God bless you with the knowledge of his son Jesus Christ as you study his word. You're listening to heartland newsfeed radio network. 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Family Functions Together in Unity Mom Dad sons and daughters there can be times of uproarious laughter and fun and seasons of deep satisfaction and reward. But what happens when they idyllic family becomes not so perfect and chaos takes over. That's the question Chuck's went. All tackles today on insight for living. Whether you're married. Single, divorced and active parent or a during grandparent will engage in a study that promises. He'll practical wisdom on child rearing. Today's message is part of the classic Biblical parenting. Series and we begin with prayer. Maybe together. This all world is many things are father and we're living. To See, what changes can occur? Places at once were strong to preach the scriptures. have become, weakened. Because of the system of the world that has slipped in. This world is a hostile place. We hear of it every day. We suck in our breath. We also acknowledge our father that this is your world. And you were carrying out your purposes in it and through it. You are in sovereign control over it. In spite of the evil that exists. Our God is in the heavens. He does what he pleases. So teach us to live. In the tension of an evil world. Remembering that? All things occur out of your plan and purpose. Though much of it doesn't make sense in this life. We realize we are with you. It will all come together. I pray for those among us. Who are either themselves rebels on the run. Or, they. Have Their family one. Who is in that category? Speak in a very special way. To those on this occasion. As we learn from the truth of a story. Our Savior told. which is timeless as it is true? What a stirring stirring reminder! This is our father. Of all of us. In our journey. On this earth. How we can easily identify with this boy. And how great it is to witness. The grace of a father. TO WELCOME HIM BACK And not only to forgive him. But to restore him. To a place of. Significance, indignity. In the home and family. Pray all those today, who. At this very moment. Find themselves distant from you. And I asked that you would draw them to yourself. As only you can do. I pray also. God for every father in this place. And for the role he fills. not, simply in the life of his family and his children, but His community. And in this world that has lost its way. I pray that you would raise up godly men. From our midst. And use them. In significant ways, not just fathers, but all man. And I pray that you would cause this world to realize. What you can do in the life of an individual wholly. Dedicated to you. Speak to us in whatever area of need we may have this day. And bring encouragement and hope especially those. Who are broken? And bruised. And lost. is in the name of Jesus, our Savior whom we worship today. And all God's people set. Amen. You're listening to insight for living. To search the scriptures with chuck swindle, be sure to download his searching the scriptures studies by going to insight world dot org slash studies. And now the message called when the fun stops for parents. When rebellion occurs? It isn't cute or humorous. Or just the stage. It isn't an idol. Matter that we cast off is all active mischievousness. When it reaches the place where there is no room for correction or reason or negotiation or council, when other children are being negatively affected by the rebel in the home. Making family miserable. It's time to release them. To the consequences that will follow. That's at the heart of the story. Jesus tells in the Fifteenth Chapter of Luke. If you carry a Bible with Red Letters. You will see all of the story is in rid. Jesus is telling this story. Because there is no proper name mentioned. It may very well have been another parable imaginary story on the other hand. One wonders if Jesus new family who has gone through this. and rather than embarrassing family by giving names, he simply tells the story tells the story of the family. This family is soon to be in pain. Because the father has to exert tough love. Story, not just of a prodigal son, but of a very wise. And secure father. We read the story beginning at verse eleven where the man. Really has two sons. And you need to understand ethnically and culturally. In that day. In a Jewish home the father's inheritance. would be passed along to his two sons if there were just two two thirds to the older, a third to the younger, it would happen either when he retires. Or when the man dies. And it was possible for a father simply to act on it. When neither had occurred so that before retirement, or perhaps at a given time when the children reach a certain age, the inheritance is then given to the children. In this case. The younger son is the one who steps up and rather impudently says in so many words. GimMe Mine Heritage now dead. So without an argument without a sermon. We read. He divided his wealth between them, so the older son gets, two-thirds and. This young rebel gets a third the next several words intrigue me when I read not many days later. The. Younger son gathered everything and went to a distance country. Before we go further, let me mentioned that. Probably it was gentle country. Because of the mention of swine, later on swine never found anywhere near a Jewish home. So he went a long ways away. He doesn't need his dad or his dad's friends or somebody. The Dad may send to spy on things in his way. He wants to get get out of here. And is often follows the decision of a prodigal. He needs a few secrets that nobody else needs to know after all I'm old enough to handle it and got the money to finance it. So. He goes to a distant country and they're. Jesus says he squandered. His estate with loose living. Probably started picking out a brand, new, red and gold chariot with special chrome wheels. That'll work about stallions that to pull it. Make you feel like a hotshot. And he prances way into a distant country, and he looks the part before long people know he's got money and he finds his real. Find Pad up with a nice view of the water outside. And before long he's got his apartment full of friends that love to eat drink and be merry along with some women that will do whatever he wants to do with him, and his patients kick into high gear. His companions are fast and shallow. Ms. Appetites are clearly out of control. His money. Finally you runs out. And his friends bail on him. The laughter fades to silence and before long. He can't make the payments on his apartment. In life gets tough and wouldn't you know it? Recession hits? We're familiar with those, aren't we? And in this case is called a famine. and. We're not familiar with that. We may be someday. There's nothing to eat. There's nothing to buy even if he had the money. and. He realizes for the first time. That proverb is father quoted to him is true. The way of the transgressor is hard. Proverbs Thirteen, fifteen and thirteen, eighteen poverty and shame become to him who lacks discipline. All of that comes home to roost. If you've ever been there. You don't need any further explanation. Not only does he have the presence of those proverbs in his mind? He's now facing the absence of the one who had met the most to him in his life. His father. The absence of his father. is almost more than he can bear. Statement. Right, here in this story. At the end of verse fourteen. He began to be. impoverished. The Greek word means to be completely deficient. To lack to come short of. And what made matters worse? He had no one to blame but himself. Where did that money go? That sounds like that proverb. My Dad used to quote. Richest make themselves wings. They fly away as an eagle toward heaven. Those dollars go. We're all we're. Shekels go. And I'm hungry tonight. The story unfolds in such a way that. We are intrigued. He went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country. Who sent him into his fields? To feeds why. Oh really. You being gentiles can't appreciate it, but if you're Jewish exactly. Exactly how degrading that job was knee-deep in pig, slop and excrement. What an awful awful job to go to every day along with a stomach. That doesn't stop growling. The loneliness that follows every night. And I notice at the end of Verse Sixteen after saying he would gladly beaten what the pigs eight, but nobody gave him anything. and. You know what else is eloquent is the absence of the father. No messages are being sent from home. No little gifts with more money. Not even speiser around. Tell the father how things are going. On his own. He is up against it. That is exactly what he needed exactly what it would take. The father knew then. Here he is in this pigsty. and every night going to bed hungry. And suddenly listen to it. A light goes on. We read in verse Seventeen. He came to his senses. When I have parents come to me and tell me the tragic story of what their son or is going through and their great temptation to go and relieve them, because after all the girl is now turned to prostitution, and the boy also is selling his body. In, some awful scene in the back alleys of the big city. And I've had those people come to me, too. And their story. Would shock you. What, they're willing to do just to be able to put food in their stomach. He came to his senses. You know what that tells me. Listen closely. He's been out of his census. I tell parents who are at wit's end. What is going on is a temporary insanity. You WanNa reason with your son, but there's no room to reason you WanNa Council with your daughter, but there's no ear to hear the council. said the and I have a friend in whose life that happened. In the young woman became a prostitute in Los Angeles. As a matter of fact before she came to an end of herself. A friend went to plead with her to come back to her husband to her children. And, she refuses. There is an insanity that accompanies this kind of lifestyle. Rebellion is as the sin of David Nation. And insubordination. Idolatry. It captivates you. It holds you until you finally come to your senses. Boy When he came to, his senses began to talk to himself. Many of my fathers hired men have more than enough bread and I'm dying here with hunger. He's remembering back. He remembers. Food was even left on the table after the meals. He remembers that. Servants. Got More than he will ever get living where he's living. And the memory of all of that Foltz in on him, and he says I am here. I am dying with hunger John with? A dire straits. May Oppose here in Warren any, parrot. Listening right now. Do not rush to their rescue. Do not go. Do not check up. Do not wait for them for Christmas. Do not celebrate the birthday and begged him to comeback for it. Them Go. Let Them Go. And in the loneliness and ache of the hunger and the misery. Wake Up. This temporary insanity. If you're not careful, we'll make you a little crazy. It may take your child failing in school being expelled from school getting arrested spending time in prison. Living in the streets of abuse and perversion. It may result in the child getting a sexually transmitted disease. Or years of aloneness. And attempted suicide. And you wait to. You pray. That, they will come to their senses. Not until the young adult hurts enough. Will that young man or woman come to the senses. Let Them Go. Leave them alone. Don't stop praying. you weep, you will twist and turn and bid you will. You'll get sick. I've been there. And some of you are there. None of what I share today is theoretical. What if the boy doesn't know is that the father was up day and night praying. Pouring out his heart, asking God to bring his son to his senses. Alert years ago line that I've used on occasion pain plants the flag of reality in the fortress of rebel heart. Pain plants the flag of reality. In the fortress of a rebel heart. The flag has been planted. The light comes on. The scene that follows is one of the great scenes of restoration. My Love it every time I read. It speaks to me in a fresh way. He came to his senses. Verse Seventeen. What happens well? He thinks now very realistically. Life. Does that much fun that far away from home? Hunger is never enjoyable. And friends like that WHO needs them. Nobody's come back to his senses. Verse Eighteen. Will Get up and go to my father and I will away wait look at that look at that. I will get up and go back to my room. No, it's not the ruby going back to I'll get up and go back to my home where there's more than the winter in and then there's a cool breeze in the summer. No, I'm not going back to my home. Well we'll get off and go back to my friends. My job, neither one I will go back timberlake. I will go back to the one with whom I have. That relationship a love that. I will go back to my dead. Who had the talk with me? Those few hours before split I'll go back to my. There isn't even the thought that he can't. He knows his dad. He knows his dad loves him. That love never stopped by the way it goes on and on even even. When it is spurned. Who knows many restless nights, the dead spent. Praying himself through the wee hours of the morning. Who knows how often he went out early in the morning in the midst of dawn, and looked out from the porch at that horizon to see if there might be his boy. They're not worse to describe the Heart Ache And the tension. Between the love of a father. And the better judgement. Of this wise man. So the voices I'll get up and go to my father, and so he practices. His speech is what I'M GONNA say. Father I've sinned against heaven and in your side, I'm no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hard men. There's shame and and Gil dripping from that statement. I am so unworthy. I'm so undeserving. You don't even know me a roof over my head, but if you will please grant me a place back in the shed where the hired servants are just. So much better than this. That's what I'll do. Verse Twenty. So good. Love to preach. This is our moment right now, folks. This is the moment, so we got up and he came to his own. Nope came to his neighborhood. Nope came to his room, came to. His father came to his father, his father. His father. And while he was still a long way off their ears on the porch. How. Ticket what he does love. What are we still a long ways off? His father saw him and felt compassion. Look at the first response rather than on a show that what never gonNA put him in the corner for the next years. He going to be on probation for at least six months where he gets any boot from my table. No, no, no, there's grease in this story. The father felt compassion for him in Iran and embraced him. As, parents, it's a temptation to rescue the prodigal rather than waiting patiently allowing pain to do its work. You're listening to insight for living and Chuck went studying. Luke fifteen titled when the fun stops for parents. To learn more about this ministry visit US online at insight world dot org. Check is here with an important closing comment, but I as we conclude another week of Bible study together. 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Rules could be getting paid by the Russians. None of that would be illegal, and so that was just one of the arguments. The court about how we really ought to keep the electors says we're place holders figureheads just vote the way the state voted thirty two states have laws on faithless electors, but only fifteen impose a penalty such as a fine or removal. They'll Washington state elector involved in this case Frenchie off allow said he wanted to expose the electoral college as an undemocratic. Undemocratic Institution under Washington State Law the penalty for faithless electors back twenty sixteen was one thousand dollar. Fine System lawmakers have strengthened the law so that electors are removed and replaced if they don't vote for the candidate, who wins the state data released Monday by the small business administration show the businesses owned by members of Congress and the law practices the represent president trump were among the hundreds of thousands of firms that received aid from the agency The Washington Post reports as part of its six hundred sixty billion dollar small. Small Business Relief Program the SBA hated out loans to private schools, catering to elite clientele firms owned by foreign companies and large chains backed by Wall Street firms that regardless of whether the federal help would lead to more hiring. The Post reports more than ninety thousand companies in the program took the aid without promising under applications would rehire workers or that they would create jobs racial inequities in the children's services, system, or not a new problem, but recent civil unrest around the country is helping shed light on the issue. Compared with their white peers, black children are more likely to linger in foster care, less likely to find a permanent home and more likely to be placed in an institutional setting a Lucas County Children Services Director Robin recess. They are focusing on prevention as they work to reduce disparities. She explains it starts with leadership and the creation of a workplace culture that allows open and honest conversations. Conversations about race and culture. You've had a lot of dialogue about these issues and the fact that people are open to hear some of the things that families have been trying to tell us for years is exciting and great expectations. Recess transforming the child protection system is an integral part of reforming society to be more tolerant, more inclusive and more equitable. Mary Sherman reporting is PMS. House lawmakers have passed legislation that would disperse a billion dollars to states over the next five years including one hundred sixteen million dollars to Kentucky it soclean of abandoned mines and jump. Start Economic Community Development Projects Rebecca Shelton of the. Citizens Law Center says even before the pandemic, the bill had strong bipartisan support. reclaimed new piece of legislation, but it's coming. After five years of program called the abandoned. My man pilot programs and has really been a test run for what reclaim would offer. They studied by these era club estimates if passed, the legislation would create thousands of jobs and Appalachian Communities, related to abandoned mine land, and water, restoration, work. And now updates on a pair of pipelines, a Monday federal judge sided with these standing rock. Sioux, tribe in saying a controversial pipeline did not receive adequate environmental review. The judge Said Energy Transfer Must Hall production. My early August as the review process unfolds Doug Crow goes of the Tribes Water Resources Department says it's clear. The judge carefully consider their technical arguments. He understood fully what exactly we were. From the beginning about to shut off valves about there's no response plan for a spill. The pipeline which has been in operation for three years was met with heavy protests during construction near the standing rock Sioux reservation, which res- along the North Dakota South Dakota, border energy transfer along with state officials say shutting down the line during the crisis could be a devastating blow to north. North Dakota's economy crow go says he knows that will be one of the motivating factors. They will be up against as they continue to argue their case Mike. Mohan public news service and finally died. Benard tells US climate change. Activists are celebrating the landmark decision to abandon these six hundred. Mile Atlantic coast pipeline project, backers of the Project Dominion Energy and its partner Duke Energy canceled. Canceled it over the weekend ending a six year effort to build the natural gas pipeline from West Virginia through Virginia into eastern North Carolina the supreme. Court just ruled that the pipeline could progress across the Appalachian trail, according to Jim Coates in with the Sierra Clubs West Virginia chapter. Despite this, he thinks dominion and Duke finally realized the project was too risky and unnecessary we have. have been saying for a number of years. Climate change is a real issue that we need to be phasing out the use of fossil fuel. We feel gratified that that reality has finally sunk in with the the pipeline project was more than three billion dollars over budget. This is by Clifford. Public News Service we are member. Listener supported and online at a new service DOT ORG. But if we are to be prepared for it, we must I shed our fear of it. Here without fear, because I remember her. I'll remember that I am here not because of the path that lies before me. Because of the path that lies behind me. I, remember the one hundred years. We have these machines. And after a century of War I, remember that which. Make them remember. Okay, can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Amer up up up up up up YEP YEP. We're here declared our independence from the honecker again and the sorry I got this Mike I. Push it into here goes into their I do this it goes to. We'll fix it in next break. This is what we were supposed to do. We're GONNA have luke. Witkowski is like sleeping in his maybe by an RV. He has an RV that. He might get if it checks out and Jay takes a look at it and so on, so luke you know gives. Lane Maxwell has like fifteen minute drive from here where she was arrested. Go check out and see what's up. We're GONNA. Do some. Drone footage and maybe get drone class I might even get me another drone. You know, so. He can do some fun stuff, but you know. He was gonNA come on, but he like let hired. He's retired, so maybe he'll come on later. I didn't you know? Tapped on the window. Remind him, but if he's sleeping I'm not gonNA. Make them get up. Bang the crap out of it but today. Maybe we'll give him in third hour, but the second hour. We have Dr. Pam Popper. Popper. We put up on premiums. Phoenix and it What I'm interested in is that she is A. Natural Pep pethick doctor health so on vaccines. Maybe not you know especially forced thereby head. They're bad. Do as she started a nationwide. We're we're done. We're done. We're all gonNa vote single issue. If you're politician running for what your position on forced vaccination and under. Home Education So, we're just GONNA put my school system. This whole thing Dr Nation of you get until you know they grow up at twenty six. I had some University of I'm a socialist, so you know we're done. Now. This is we're done. You know the thing that was the coolest thing to me. If you go. Look at the Phoenix over the weekend. Was Sunday morning? I guess we it up. For Sunday evening. Dispatchers. And it was in Los Angeles. How said no, no wait and you'll breaking in breaking news. We gotTA warn you a golden the evil. The people are doing and what they were doing it fireworks because they closed all the fire can't have fire or can't celebrate the fourth. That's-that's like. PC or something but It's a danger as dangerous. Can't you know the social distancing of fireworks dangerous outside? Dangerous, so you look at the city lights header news helicopter up and looked at the city lights of Los. Angeles and it was an ocean of fireworks. It was like the fireworks overlapped fireworks. You know the bombs bursting in air interfered with the other bombs bursting in air over the entire city. It was thick. It was amazing. It was a big giant middle finger to a the government. In my opinion, there was a declaration of suck it and I'm just I'm going do that. Woo I wonder what happened. PHOENIX. Happens Anyway, so you know? Show it's I. Tell you what changed though. Two things. started the wax and wane a little bit elite. Bad guys. They're kind of going. Yeah, we're when we're consolidate and. Family individual thing anymore. It's Kinda. You know the government you know. They did it down at the state capitol, and then everybody goes there to legal everywhere else except you go downtown in Capitol have a big fireworks show, and then when that goes away. You know that they don't have that anymore. I guess you don't have it anymore. Well fireworks have become more more legal. And! You can buy them in Arizona you didn't use to be able to. Probably how half a few years ago! We just went New Mexico. New. Mexico need allude you. Know Your your driver. Usually, I was up to you. Go Up. The I forty east on I. Forty you get into new? Mexico, which is northern, Arizona or southern. New Mexico, and you just load up man at big giant. We fireworks be us. He'll come gets up, so it just loaded up. I've had sometimes I had fireworks we finally. Probably ten years when my kids were kids and we were setting them off when they had kids. That's how many fireworks I used to have. I, mean you know we only do so much well? What happens is the horses. And dogs and cats and pigs and turkeys, and whatever so around you'll horses don't dig it man. They don't like at all, so they take in fourth of July. Just out of you know. Being prepared they put them installs. They pay them up. They give they don't run around freak out. Probably Freak out and little bit. He doesn't space, but the. So, that's not not too cool, so we don't. Do a whole bunch right there we'll set off some for the kids, a little whiz Bang on the ground, and so on a couple booms, but you know, but neighbors do a lot of not just you know. Is So I. You know so I. Didn't want to be you know. I didn't have horses. But the out little bitty baby jerk, but the I gotta do fortunately. So sometimes you take about the desert and he just go for it. But it's July you know. Is it wet? So, you put it on a little barge. Tangere boat you the lake or river. Is that work. You know what I mean you got to be. Responsible, at least pretend like it, but the thing is that people are doing it and started over the last few years, and I tell you what happened. It was trump. When trump got elected that following Christmas, I saw twice as many Christmas lights. He Got Donna and I. Always put up Chris recites these a little bit I mean it kind of you know grows but. When we did that, we had neighbors. Coming by. We got in last night you know from. Poor we stayed until. Last night we were pork and doing lot ready for ready rate the. We would put. Up the Christmas lights and Some people come by just knock on doors and say thank you for putting up Christmas lights because we'd be like D-, only one or one or two on the street or something, they just wanted to encourage it, and then after trump got elected, it was like. You Go away grit. We Christmas, so they did. And then fourth of July was kind of the same thing. I anticipated that the first fourth of July after Donald Trump got elected. A Lot of flowers so I'm going okay. Is it trump? Cares about trump. That's not the point. It was they didn't want. Trump is not data. Those that's what's going on and I've seen the desperation in a lot of people that are. You don't. Excuse me Libertar- at Libertarian of dance. You'll pork Fassa. About anything I go. At Libertarian Oriented Freedom Liberty. 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We've run everything OPPA guy have some battery backup on something and this that and the Mike Condenser so that I can yeah without freaking. You guys out and so on you know is was often. Add used one of the old Mike. It's done I got I got a guy got okay. We're working I gotta just this now. One two, three, four, one, one one one. Bring town one. All right. That is that good? One one all right I'm. We're working on a man I mean you know stuff happens, but we have backups backups backup, so we backed it up. Cope Cocoa Cocoa. Cope you know one other thing I could do is. The bypass the entire system I could just run. Straight from the batteries and have a backup soup I. think that's what I'll do. That's a good I did. I just run a straighten. Yeah, bypass all that crap backup in Burger. Shack. So we're? Today. What we're GONNA do having. There's so much stuff here you know to do. J what he's done at pork fast he. Had some his pig meat and beef, and all that kind of stuff that he. Had bought and raised and such and butchered and all gone column all gone silver Dave all gone, you know. They went up there and whatever they didn't cook. You know I'm sure people took. You know they just by that I want some of that got show. What they did is one of the projects to having. We're up here. Is it was a a trailer? Like a you know one of those four by eight u-haul kind of things a little bit taller, but you could stand up in. It got out size of a horse trailer and. But I wasn't horse-trade there, but about the size of it. And the insulated it really well, and they put a just a window Shaker air conditioner thing in and hacked at the word. Go lower because they got the idea. There's another guy. He had called the Jews caboose and he built this mobile restaurant. You know they did a lot of juices, and so we had to have fresh vegetables and stuff in it and years ago income last couple of years, but Thing going through the mountains is heavy. He built a how it was like tiny house you know for before there were tiny houses and what he did is he took it and used it for? Had A bunch of blenders on it and you know the the food storage and he insulated the front of it really well. And he had just kind of one of those plastic door. Things that you kind of you know go through, but it was really cold. It was like you know thirty to thirty five degrees or something like that I'm like. Wow, how'd you get a window Shaker? He hacked it. You know you. There's a limited of some type. He you know he goes up. You can hack them. Make more. They go colder and I'm very. Very cool, so you can get. A freezer or at least walk in cooler so That's kind of what they did with this little trailer. And then you know because it's not completely insulated. The ceiling wasn't insulated, so they had insulated blankets. These are like You know pick quilt. Insulating blankets, guess and put all the meat on a pallet. They put it in into trailer. They had that blanket over the air conditioner. So it would you know blow the cold air underneath that blanket, and whatever is underneath a blanket boom? Cold and if you've got frozen meat glass. So you go very cool. I guess you just take out. You know what's on the outside, or as you need it and he'll use it, and then you got like frozen meat. So I'm going, I mean these guys just got going on? You know because somebody who knew somebody that newsome, so they get taken care of now. The people were coming by looking at livestock and stuff all the time. Still it's amazing, so I want all right well, then we get back and there's work to be done, you know got to have a clutch on destruct. Get it working, so they have got it for almost nothing you know, but it's gotTa cl- which is a thing in a couple of guys and a couple of days, and now you got a big flatbed truck of woohoo diesel kick, but I'm on. Iraq, then you have. Another friend partners and the meat business you know. They got. Some wrong with the bow on the head of the did the editing, but they got this nice minivan. That's in really good shape. You know for thousand dollars or something to haul it off that. That's now you can get completed heads, I a six cylinder, so it's just it's. It's not a be. It's a straight six so came. Remember what brand this dodge zone and nice one. But. The valve messed up so what they do, they order a new head. Has All the you just take it off? You can put it back on boom. You're done. You just gotTa do the Labor. One hundred and ten dollars. For rebuilt whole head. I'm going and ahead is where the bows on top of the Pistons you know. where the air intake manifold goes in and the heads where the bowels go up and down, the spark plug goes into that and it goes on top of the pictures. You know it's a semi complicated piece of I don't want to have to rebuild it. But if you got a big assembly line of rebuilt of whatever and a guy sitting there, you can do ten a day or something. You know that the ads one hundred bucks so I'm going. Really must be in Chinese. I don't know where it comes from, so they get those put it on now. They got you know like a new vehicle for thousand bucks. Or semi brecon decent. Some going all right got some labor. then. We have an excavator. It's one of those little tract. backhoe kind of things on you know mini excavator. If you ever watch big construction shows or something, they're digging in to the mountain, or whatever and putting it into a truck to haul it off. Let's. Be Baby One. You know it's a one man little. Probably. Has Reached a ten feet or something like that and you know it's the size of Bob Cat me a little bit bigger Bob Cat you know mini ex escalator. We're digging trenches and putting pipe different stuff. Well, they need you know the Pistons went out on it, so gotta fix that. He got finally got the parts in there waiting on them before bork bashful now they're here boom. That's the thing today. Then they got another horse trailer. That has a you know. It's kind of rusted out. Not Worth much anything. Certainly not horses, so what he did is he takes the floor out, and he puts expanded metal. You kinda like that you know waffle. We've You see through steel mesh kind of stuff and they call expanded metal, and on trucks and stuff, so he put that on the bottom, because it's going to be for the chickens well, the put little boxes in there and rouge and everything and have it all done, but they don't WanNa to leave him in there, so they're building these big wings kind of like a fishing. Fishing, net trawler that has these big arms that go out has chain link on, and it swings up and it up so that those arms or pointing straight up on the sides of the trailer. Well, then the you'll have like the chain link on the side of the trailer to then it extends out just holding out going down to the ground now. You got a little place. McCain link. Down on the ground out. Boxing. 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WanNa get everything all set up for Dr Popper because that's going to be, we're GONNA be planning some stuff and It's about the rest now. We met a lot of activists around the country. Around the world. Pork international thing, but and you know fork asked you know it's pretty happening to deal for another week after we didn't. We stayed there. God over two weeks, so that was that was nice. We got a lot of stuff done. We got started logo in the bus all this stuff and we had to wait. At least a week and a half for it to dry we just had it painted, and we started putting those on. This is the first time I've done this big else like. Don't mind feet by three. Put I, mean Okay Donna go and so we worked pretty good team at some helping we you know me and Donna mostly and just got it got it taken care of now. We still have some more of the different logos and art to put on, but the big love bug, or on you know the websites or on we have You know some little stuff, but. I wanted to you know. I just feel like I get it all done. We go working on it and it'll get jinxed and trio fall on or something. We'll get finished before we head out again now. Talking to the guy, this is a perfect example. A listener of the show that lives in Michigan. They you know supporters. And and. The kids listen you know he does. He's got. You know children. That are you know eighteen nineteen twenty around there now they're starting to their in college high school. They've been listening longtime well they have a One of the girls is studying to be a naturopathic doctor. Well, they're all kind of men. This mandated vaccine thing there then they're not fans and being in. Michigan, you had the governor. That's just you pre can be stupid, so I'm just going. You know what I really WanNa do, is I want to go where you know communities that don't get any? You're showing some their inordinate. Don't get any. And you get all news and everything how screwed up Detroit and the governor is, and you don't get any love to. Upper Michigan now. Michigan has you know the southern part of Michigan? You've across. Great Lake Superior whatever up into upper. Michigan well Upper Michigan I've had friends that live in Michigan Upper Michigan's not even help will be candidate you know, and it's very rule. A, lot of camping up there in the summer, and so on the short you know we're going to go party scene and great beaches, and and it's smartly populated and get abused by the man and other just like Rogers campground near. You just want a union more taxes. Somebody bringing her money up here. Most of that's ours, and you should give it to us so. I'm going Yeah Upper Michigan. Now there was a right in the very northern part of the southern part of Michigan, which might as well be upper. Michigan was barber older. Barbara that said No. We're staying open. Invite me okay. Remember that show I'm going. Okay, so Upper Michigan this go! Let's have a vote a camping thing. Let's do something up there. This whole family got he had. Four or five kids that are you know? Kick, Buddy Age, and you know their significant others and girlfriends and boyfriends and everything. They had a crowd I mean a couple of them were playing poker with a couple of nights, so I'm one, and it was later that their father came by with a you know knowledge kids that are just walking around and I'm going yeah Halio and gave us some silver I was sleeping an early Sunday morning when they left and Donna, you know gave five ounces of silver. All cool. Thank you very much. And I didn't get to say. Thank you so. Thank you. You know that that's what I like. You guys give me silver all you want so. Very nice very nice very nice, so that's kind of a contract. So, we're going to go to upper Michigan on her way west, and probably in the mid third weekend in August and do a thing and it's just it'll be just like camping. We're just having your hanging out. You know what community needs a little love see. This is the one thing I do in Maine and New Hampshire and we got thinking in new. Jersey and I'm not making hard dates until we get the bus done because I need to. Have you know there's a couple of little things that we need to do it to steering brakes and his? You know oil seal on the actual whatever I mean. It's working fine. We could probably do the whole thing, but you know you gotta be done I. Don't WanNa be out in the middle row I don't WanNa have a safety thing i. don't WanNa know steering brakes and Tires Man as my dad always. told me and it it's not running. It's you know it's fuel, timing and fuel, fire and timing I mean it's just basic fundamental. Stop you know making go were so we're checking off all the boxes and we're getting a dunk. So that's why we're here at J. and doing all these other projects to make sure that we get you know all this stuff cleared off his plate. You know we focus on the bus. Me and start at this weekend. I'll get you the list of all the stuff. We're GONNA finish now. Because this is interesting. You know the plants you know planting here Heckman. They were just like button up. And now they're footing half Paul so I'm going arrive. You'll make some food got the livestock, so they're not GonNa Starve. But you know, think about it winter. You're going to be up your shoulders and snow, but you know this is I remember. We had an exchange student from thin when she came by. She's doing a Mirka the prepping of America you know the you know. The Doomsday prepar America and she did her request for funding to do her. Thesis Give Me Money and They sent her to America toured, America, and she she. You know really enjoyed Arizona. We ought good time whether it took it out to Bob. Show you know how you can live and went through all the stop. She wanted to come back and we stayed in contact for a while, and she did this film that she does documentary. And what happened was she's going when you guys talk about prepping and they make a big deal at National Geographic Doomsday, prep, I make you know how that's how we live. Know. That's that's that's. You know that's Finland I mean. You know you make hay when the Sun Shining, and then you put it away, and you make sure that you don't have. You know. Dead. Because if you don't grow in when it's something, you got a short period of time and you better be cannon. And you better be hanging meat, you better be you better be better and if you don't while the one you dependent on the system or the government, which has been what's happening. And you could see it. And now we were talking about it and her family, and your own grandparents, and all that kind of stuff they could see. They were too dependent. Well that's what happened to the world here too dependent. So, what do you do? It'll be dependent. She'll start to be able to take care of it yourself. So the plants have been. You know. Like we just and then there's you know some people here to get. You Know Jay's busy because he's able to Derek Hill same thing and I was just every. It's like getting a pickup truck. You're everybody's friend. Hey, we need to move. I need to get this thing i. need a couch. The I need gotTa pick up truck, so these guys have got pickup trucks. And pickup truck like I can fix a pickup truck. Well, you know you're you're you're the man show or the man? Now? This has been We met a lot of other people. That are appreciative and understand what we're doing with the love bus. There are different festivals all over the place. There's a lot of things to do, and a lot of things in the south is Nicole remains shown going Iraq a rattle rat show. This is filling up, but I can't commit to anything until we got it done. So much work, you know so few of us doing so much and a, but it's broken pretty. It's ready to go, so we can you know but once I take the steering box out and the actual off. Ain't going nowhere for a week or two, so we're going to start this weekend, but don I are going to leave never gun. On. Willing To. Or Planning? From the fourth letter of Captain Mark Landlubbers are conditioned to believe that the originators of an idea deserve exclusive rights to it, but these innovators are nothing, but privateers granted a monopoly by the crown. Potential inventors are restricted from using their own property and forced to navigate a wilderness to prohibited ideas. These pattern monopolies are intellectual colonization. This alliance of means between the crown. 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Finish that while they're doing that. Jj be putting together the excavator to has won the piston armed. You know whatever make it go were then guy comes picks up. He's happy as hell. Get that out then the. Horse trailer that they're turning into a chicken tractor. Now that needs to be pulled around, so I can just walk behind it or light or anything, so that needs to be pulled around and it will. He'll do the soil, and you move it. Move It. Move it in the arms. Go down like a big fishing trawler, and it goes down, and you had the fence around it. Protect them, and they get their go outside and kind of GRUBS, and whatever then it goes up, you pull it. What are you pull it with? He has an old Little more although tractor more thing like a riding mower. Going to pull it around with, but you know these battery changed out from an ATV that sitting here, so going to put the battery in that into the battery for that one later and clean carbon degree set, make it go word, something new, so I'll be working on that today and one of the other guys has helped with the degree of that an escalator. You'll get a little pressure washer. Got You know team people doing stuff so then? We're going to get that done. And now on this horse trailer that you pull around the property that he'll lots of different places and chickens can be. The chickens now are where. You know sleeping on this one side of the house there and it's roosters in the morning and they're like socks, so that is a good solution for that, and you get the chicken coop out on where it needs to be so that's cool. was on the other stuff all right then we have once all that stuff gets done and they get the. The head in the VAL. Replacing the bows and the head and everything on that minivan. Then that's done and that out of the way so all this stuff gets done. Then we move and clear up around where the workshop is and backup the bus, so the thing is, is that when you start on this bus? You Ain't do nothing else until we're done, so we gotta get all this stuff done you know, take a few days and get all that stuff done, so we can pull in. The bus got nice area there. It's power. Internet know things all good, and that's a good place. Where we were parking before one of the Times show, we'll go in there and then steering. And the actual. You know the seal, and so on so I'm going right now. There's some other wiring stuff and everything that we do you know Donna's got stuff to do more lowest. Put on and stuff, but we got. These are two main things that we wanted to make sure we got don breaks before we go in the long hit the road. Now it's been from Maine to Phoenix and back here so I mean it works you know, but it would be a lot more comfortable and easier deal with, and we wouldn't have to be checking. You know levels underneath of you know its. Since just needs to be done. Wasn't done prolonged time. This kind of stuff needs to be done. Then you know. We got a nineteen eighty bus that's. About two thousand, especially with the new steering, two thousand steering thing that we're going. So that is why we're doing this, and it's just you know for safety uncomfortable Donna and I to make sure that we got a reliable transportation our home for a year, but we need to get done. So that's what we're doing and then do it. Clear all this stuff off of plate to make sure it happens while we were doing a lot of this before we clear ground, we made the big Shaker table. That's another thing. The Big Rock sifter now all this top soil that he had moved over into one big. Big giant pile that has rocks, branches and twigs, and all that that was all the best soil on the property you know then he's having to Redo it. You know pig, crap, and everything, and and you know build it all. That good dirt is there, so we built that sifter? Now we're going to be a day or two with the back loader shifts, and all that stuff out and taken that topsoil and putting it. Wherever needs to go now. We're working with call him. One of the guys that you know rents One of the domes here, he has a bunch of stuff too i. mean you know he had it going? He had a hot tub. With strippers. Okay. Tell you last year at port fast had this big army tent just a big Green Tanta Mash or something like a surgical you know pants, or whatever's is big tank Huntington? The thing is probably like twenty by forty I mean. It was just you know huge fifteen by forty, so it's. It's just big then we have played poker in there, you know. Just about every night there's poker game going on great dealer Angie, a bigger name was man just boom. L., so she. She made bank on tips. Now in this tent, but he also got. Another bus is a bus seminars, but it wasn't. You know stripped out yesterday took all the chairs out like eight chairs in for traveling and the whole back end of, and he goes everybody's sets. He's up for you. Know a dozen people to sleep because I don't care about that. He goes to people. And Jacuzzi. So he's doing the Jacuzzi thing so. Making a bachelor pad of whatever they have, so he's working on that well. What he did is going up to pork fast and forecast. He had the big tent where you know had a bar in there and the hookah and you know much chairs. Everybody's hanging out. You know lounging around and poke. So you go refrigerator and making smoothies nurse. There's you know there's a bunch of this stuff goes up there a whole. Bunch of people have these kinds of things, so, but this happened place you're going to be you know. Hang with the guys in polk. So he had his bus. You're staying in. And then he had a big. You'll screened pop up canopy. Keep the bugs out or whatever and it was perfect and what sat in. There is like seven eight hundred dollars you get. A air filled up double walled insulated. Has a insulated floor in it. It puts his big like pool on top, and it has a cover, and it has a motor that. Cleans it? It's got chlorine filters. It takes out the hard water stuff so done mess up the system I mean this whole self contained bubble making Jacuzzi. Well I didn't get to go. I didn't know I didn't care whatever, but they had a couple of nights. Friday and Saturday night the first night he had hired three strippers from that they had used for Bachelor Party before. It's a service probably when the same girls, but you know a service. Well, they're. They're doing a show. And so on and some of the girls were in there and they you know. I mean some of the wives got drug in by some of the guys, or whatever is, we heard the stories, and it was all hail family, not good fun. But you know Anti Jacuzzi so I'm going well, there's that. This. Out Roles and he's thinking, he's GonNa go to Jack up absolutely. I know if you're going to be bringing girls, but you know there'd be plenty up there. So Jacket Lopes becoming a thing because norcal POCO. POCO ARCA VEGAS ARIZONA VENT their. Nor crypto Darrow Crypto Vegas. They had a two night. Thing well, you know the governor there said you got only forty nine people and you gotta wear masks. They don't want to do the mass thing. We don't want it enforced and we don't want so. They find a private place that with do that and you don't have to mask thing and you. Have Fifty people. Well screw you guys, so they cancelled it all. They're going to Jack. So. I guess we're going to Jack Look like Salmon, and you always make show. This'll be the eighth or ninth I think it's eighth year. And the one thing now, Alma. She and I kind of started this thing and just making she wants to make it. It's you know it's because 'cause I she wants to. Whatever and I'm just like look the second you start. Organizing is when you start. Having problems with the man was coming. What am just camping I? Don't know he's always people. Are you know what are you doing? I'm just gambling. All these people are what are you doing? I'm just camping all these people. Are you know then what you're camping? You know, but so. If you structure too much, and it kind of goes anyway, we'll see what happens an experiment I'm shocked. It's lasted eight years to be honest. You know, so it's. Out in the forest, and there's no services, no Internet, Orleans or nothing. Rating Fair Danica Clemson. You're not allowed. John! I won't be here. Allies. Dr Room. Every! Wire. 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We get some perspective from our Eric Take it off and Washington state the unanimous decision upholds the Evergreen State. Law, to find remove faithless electors who refuse to cast their ballots for the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote in the St Paul Smith is with the campaign legal center, which filed a brief supporting Washington state's law. He says electors could be influenced in other ways if states weren't allowed to rain the man, there's no conflict. Conflict of interest rules though disclosure rules, they could be getting paid by the Russians. None of that would be illegal, and so that was just one of the arguments, the court about how we really ought to keep electors as we're place holders, figureheads vote the way the state voted thirty two states have laws on faithless electors, but only fifteen impose a penalty such as a fine or removal though Washington, state elector involved in this case, Frenchie off, allow said he wanted to expose the Electoral College as an undemocratic institution. Institution under Washington State Law the penalty. Four faithless electors back in twenty sixteen was one thousand dollar fines since that lawmakers have strengthened the law so that electors are removed and replaced if they don't vote for the candidate, who wins the state data released Monday by the small business administration show the businesses owned by members of Congress and the law practices represent president trump were among the hundreds of thousands of firms that received aid from the agency The Washington Post reports as part of its six hundred sixty billion dollar small. Small Business Relief Program the SBA that out loans to private schools, catering to elite clientele firms by foreign companies and large chains, backed by Wall Street firms that regardless of whether the federal help would lead to more hiring. The Post reports more than ninety thousand companies in the program took the aid without promising on their applications would rehire workers or that they would create jobs racial inequities in the children's services, system, or not a new problem, but recent civil unrest around the country is helping shed light on the issue. Compared with their white peers. Black children are more likely to linger in foster care, less likely to find a permanent home and more likely to be placed in an institutional setting. Lewis County Children's services director Robin re says they are focusing on prevention as they work to reduce disparities, she explains it starts with leadership and the creation of a workplace culture that allows open and honest conversations about race and culture. We have had a lot of dialogue about these issues, and the fact that people are open to hear some of the things that families have been trying to tell us for years is exciting and I have great expectations recess transforming the child. Protection System is an integral part of reforming society to be more tolerant, more inclusive and more equitable Mary sermon reporting. This is PMS. House lawmakers have passed legislation that would disperse a billion dollars to states over the next five years including one hundred sixteen million dollars to Kentucky it soclean of abandoned mines and Jumpstart, economic and community development projects Rebecca Shelton of the Appalachian Citizens Law. Center says even before the pandemic. The bill had strong bipartisan support for. New Piece of legislation, but it's it's coming. After five years of program called the abandoned. My man pilot programs and has really been a test. Run for what reclaim what offer? A study by the era club estimates if pass, the legislation would create thousands of jobs and apple. H. In communities related to abandoned mine land and water restoration work. And now updates on a pair of pipelines on Monday federal judge sided with the Standing Rock Sioux tribe in saying a controversial pipeline did not receive adequate environmental review. The judge Said Energy Transfer Must Hall production early August as the review process unfolds, crow goes the tribes water resources. Department says it's clear. The judge carefully consider their technical arguments. He understood fully what exactly we were staying from the beginning about the shut off valves about the there's no response plan for a spill. The pipeline which has been in operation for three years was met with heavy protests during construction near the standing rock Sioux reservation, which was. was along the North Dakota South Dakota border energy transfer along with state officials say shutting down the line during the crisis could be a devastating blow to north. Dakota's economy crow go says he knows that will be one of the motivating factors. They will be up against as they continue to argue their ks Mike Mohan public news service and finally died. Bernard tells US climate change. Activists are getting the landmark decision to abandon these six hundred mile. Mile Atlantic coast pipeline project backers of the Project Dominion Energy and its partner Duke Energy canceled it over the weekend ending a six year effort to build a natural gas pipeline from West, Virginia through Virginia into eastern North Carolina. The Supreme Court had just ruled that the pipeline could progress across the Appalachian trail, according to Jim Coates with the Sierra Clubs West Virginia chapter. Despite this, he thinks Dominion Duke finally realized the project was too risky and unnecessary. Unnecessary. We have been saying for a number of years. Climate change is a real issue that we need to be phasing out the use of fossil fuel. We feel gratified that that reality has finally sunk in with dominion. The pipeline project was more than three billion dollars over budget. This is by Clifford Public News Service. We are member. Listener supported and align at public news service DOT ORG share not because of the path that lies before me. Because of the path that lies behind me. I remember the one hundred years. We have pop. Machines? And after a century. I remember that which matters. Make them remember. Well we're going to do is we have Dr Popper on I'm GonNA. Go ahead and just let her monologue. She having a problem with us. Her hearing us, but we can hear her fine, so we're GONNA do going to introduce her. Words the cameras, okay hold on a second. We're going to introduce her She's president wellness. Forum health and she has a plan. I'm going to just let her monologue, but I want to introduce her I understand who she is Pam, poppers, founder and president, of Wellness Forum held. The company offers educational programs to both customers and providers facilitate Info Med medical decision, making diet, lifestyle, intervention and improve long term health outcomes through its own network of providers wellness forum. Health offers direct to customer healthcare. Services Pam Servers serves on the physician steering committee and the President's Board for the Physicians Committee for. For Responsible Medicine in Washington DC. Pam was one of the healthcare professionals involved in the fame Sacramento Food Bank project, which economically disadvantaged people were shown how to reverse their diseases and eliminate medications with Diet Pam has been featured in many widely distributed documentaries, including processed people and making a killing and forks over knives which played in major theaters, throughout North, America and eleven twenty seven. She's one of the Co. authors of the companion book which was on the New York Times bestselling list for sixty six weeks. She is also the author of food over medicine. The conversation that can save your life. Her most recent films are food, choices and Diet Fiction, and she co authored the companion books for both films her New Book Co operation is set to release a late August on. Get on the thing. Tell her to get ready to monologues. Pam is also a public policy expert and continually works toward changing laws that interfere with patients right to choose their health provider and method. Of Care Oh my goodness. She testified in front of Legislative Committees on numerous occasions. and has testified twice in front of the USDA's Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee Pam. Straight talking professional who is not afraid to criticize national health organizations, government agencies, medical professionals, pharmaceutical companies, agricultural organisations and manufacturing companies, many of whom have agendas and priorities to interfere with distributing truthful information and promoting public health. Everyone who is interested in health should hear speak for some their lives may depend on what she has to say. She has a plan Kovic. Thing has been built enough thing and we put it up on this weekend. We wanted her to tell us all about it, and it's time for her monologue. EST Go. Go and tell us about it now, Pam. is she she. Goes. Can you hear me? I can't hear I can't hear you. Go? You. Let me know what. Played ready talked pillar. Messaging Pock. Give me a card. Right on the back. Reads Zoom Chat. I. Scour. We're just having a look at the chat, so she knows. that. Okay well, what? Are we going to have a conversation I mean. and. I don't know what to say. But. Let's try to do this. When we have a conversation. I just looked okay. That'd be okay all right. I'm sorry guys. You know we couldn't get this on. Her. Speakers aren't working so I. Don't know what the problem is. We'll try and get her back on another time that the the main thing that I wanted to make sure that we got across was that there is a? Time and a mechanism for us to get. The children saved an out of the public schools government schools, and they're going to threaten you with you know we have to have vaccinations for them to attend and you're GONNA need to go and and So we're going to Derek. We're going to need help in the break here a little bit see if we can get the audio going that they can hear our microphone I. Don't know what the problem is. You know why it wouldn't go out through the zoom. Did you try? Did you talk to them? checked audio settings. Zoom. You know I'm doing that. You know Audio out settings zoom action record chat participants security. I Don I'll let you deal with that while I and go over the news, this is. Neil stuff happens. We get all these bugs out for. She wanted to make sure we didn't miss this opportunity, but. Hopefully. It's not. Her it's. It's us or it is her, and they figure it out and so we're going to go ahead and do it that way I let me go ahead and go over some of the news because there's a lot of stuff that's going on. The main thing is over the weekend with the fourth of July. There is an opportunity for people I i. it seems to me that there they them. Those were trying to make sure. that. You didn't have your opportunity to express displeasure with the government, and that you were dependent or you? You enjoyed them wanted them needed them and I'm I'm not feeling it. Also I'm wondering now. Trump I. it's still kind of removed from what's really going on when you go to mount. Rushmore, I'm not a big fan of Mount Rushmore you know. Because you know one, it's just. You know but Great White father from the east come conquer. Kick your ass and we. Took one of your mountains and the face overlooking yeah, and the native Americans. You have to go what the hell is that and they did. They created. What's called. Crazy horse is big mountain and sixty. We talked about it before that. But they didn't even mention that. This whole thing about you know crazy. Horse's awesome. CRAZY HORSE IS A. Monument. That is crazy horse at my people, my land, my people I buried. You know and this is a totally different mindset that nobody wants to give any attention to, but fortunately. With the Internet and Histon they created their own museum their own attraction, their own tour, their own, and it's really fascinating. I've done it twice because I went just by. You know one of the guys. I was up there sturgis at speaking of that and You know a lot of guys wanted to go. See it and one of the guys I was at Something blood, you know. He's a DJ, and he broke his legs. I had to push him around in a wheelchair. He's younger guy, you know. He just wanted to go shower. I'll go with you. Man I'll push you around I'm GonNa go see what's up, so we went to that and I thought that was cool as heck so I took Donna years later when. When we were going by there I said we gotta go by there and You know I think she might liked it. You know but the history of them. It was just another fireworks in La given a finger to the man you know when they put these big giant. You know the great white chief from Washington DC. Where the heck out is you know? We're GONNA. We're GONNA. 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Maybe we'll do it by phone Crap at just sucks all right well the Go through some of the news here. I'm sitting here trying to get this done now. One of the things that definitely we would talk about and when it came up, is that don't let them back sonate. You Fair can warns Africans that foul cheese trying to kill him. Now, this is you know. Nation of Islam I was Louis Farrakhan. I think his name, but so Farrakhan. He's been going to the CDC over the years to with Dr. Mike Bits and a lot of the others pro tasting I think at this time of year every summer they're going to the CDC in or out there and you guys suck, and you're lying to us and Blah Blah Blah. So that has been you know them in their face for quite a bit and I'm wondering if there was. Ever any response from them I. Don't think there ever was now fair. Can what I dare to zoom in now and see if he can all right? Let's go and try that and I go ad I. Need you over here, baby. So the. So there's Derek. Carr. He's connecting his audio. Now, we're GONNA. Find out if he can hear us. Them work without a little bit. Now Dr Fao. She's been called a mass murderer. WHO WOULD THE KABBALAH? Bill and Melinda Gates or seeking to depopulate the earth now? This is coming from Coming from. The head of the Nation of Islam which is black community of all little brown babies being A lot of autism because it affects black children. Especially Black Boys at four times the rate. This is what's really I mean it's really you know. has an impact on them, and all this is starting to come out. You got the nation of Islam on your butt legitimately. That's just that's just not good. You know so I'm I'm wondering what we can do to help with that spread some. do you think maybe I don't know I. Think maybe we could now children and schools Should schools have been closed or into pandemic. Did it help or hurt children? This is Pamela popper that we're trying to have on and she. He can tell man she's just man. She wants to do it where she wants to do it. So that's just the way it is will. Get her on and talk about now. Jimbo Vard had an article on zero hedge. Old Coins taught me never to trust the government. Now, how did that happen? Like LBJ swore that there would be no prophet and the hoarding earlier coins for the value of their silver content content. I mean he said it, he'll order you go. NOPE, there's no value. You're going to hoard all those coins because they're ninety percents over. They call them junk, silver, nine, hundred and sixty, four and earlier, ninety percent of a silver diamonds silver. Now it could be worth you know an sober shot up to forty something dollars. I remember there were like four dollars and eighty cents or something silver. There's eight dollars for a quarter. Sixty four, and before you know, but then they you know these basic currency. They put zinc and copper, whatever the Heck Ron wrong dude. Silver coins are now worth roughly fifteen times their face value. So this is. Like when they're low like a dollar fifty, so you go, it's point seven. You know so I'm. If you take a because? A. Dollar is described as point seven seven I think of an ounce of silver. So, when you do a silver dollars, silver ounce, and that's where a lot of people don't know that they get screwed in trade and exchange. So that's you know you know you know. Get your crap together, so understand that now if you have a silver dime. It's worth like seven. You know it's well. It's point seven seven instead of tenth of announced its point, oh, seven or something like that. It's ninety. Silver now we had a calculator We still have it. You know it's called the silver calculator you know on our phones. You can do this, but you. We had it also on the back of silver dime cards. They had a chart, so people would understand and when sobers at twenty, thirty, forty fifty. What the value of that dime really is so people? Of course they hoard it, you know. Bad money drives out good money. If you ever hear that, saying that's what that means, the good money people cake they hoard. They say they put over here. I'll use your monopoly money, but I got this. Now history had always enthralled the James BOVILL already saying here in handling old coins was like shaking hands with the pioneers who built this country I wondered if the double dented eighteen, fifty three quarter I bought a coin show was ever involved. huckleberry Finn Type Adventures when two bits could buy a zesty time I had a battered copper to sit piece from eighteen, sixty four, the same year that Union General Phil, Sheridan, burn down the Shenandoah valley where I was raised, some of the coins I collected might now be banned is. Such as an Indian head pennies in buffalo nickels within indium portrait engraved on the front. So this is you know it's it's. The Times it represents you know a lot of the Times back then, and it's just interesting that now we're starting to learn of the real value of precious metals in its actual use in the era of this nation's birth currency was often recognized as a character issue, specifically, the contemptible character politicians shortly before the seventeen eighty seven constitutional convention Georgia Washington warned that unsecured paper money would ruin. Commerce oppressed the. And Open the door to every species of fraud and justice, but as time passed, Americans forgot the peril of leading politicians ravaged their currency and nineteen thirty-three. The US had the largest gold reserves of any nation in the world, but the're of devaluation spurt panic President Franklin. Roosevelt invoked to justify seizing people's gold. Give himself freedom of action. Yeah to lower the dollar value. 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Join, the DOT FM discord for live chat, twenty, four, seven at discord dot l., dot FM, that's discord. Dot. FM. And now live from the studios of Freedoms Phoenix Ernest handcock. We're going to zoom. He teamed in and we're going to get it fixed one of these days. We're kind of working on it. There's a lot happening in I I'm of the opinion that there's a lot happening in the culture. This is one thing that Dr Franken I were. Focusing on for past couple years. You know and it's been you could see it building up in so many different ways. I'm just I'm I'm. Interested in how they were Well, it wasn't just taking advantage of Howard thinking. It was trying to change how we were thinking, and it's been going on for a long time. Are you hearing me now? They're. No. So this has been. Interesting to watch and we commented on it, but they pulled the trigger. They pulled the trigger. They spent you know boom. We're GONNA. We're GONNA. We're GONNA. We pulled the trigger. We're GONNA take this and beat you over the head with it and a lot of it is just fake. It wasn't us it wasn't you know they? They dumped us down. You go round on the boardwalk and you go to a seventeen year old and say what does fourth of July I mean I. Don't know fireworks and a dude you know. Where's my surfboard? So I'm I. What did they? Would they take from us? You know what does it okay? I heard something there. Did it go derek. Now, you can't hear me. I Ghana. He's trying to call you. Going to? Yeah. So There's an entire idea of what it is to be human, and then you try and you. Elevate that idea of being human to what? You know American you to be American human. How about you have a government that gives the the best of what you can be. It serves humanity you know. What is that well? I don't know that is a monogamous relationship is man and woman? Is there Do you even need a family? We just had a store. I think it's on front of famous Phoenix Right now that they've created artificial womb. That you can you know I, guess anybody can grow babies at home? They go man. You don't need this your mother father. That's so that's so that's so last century last millennia. You can just have you can. You can get this little little device and you. Can you know the maybe on your own? Now, you can order the babies. You can get an embryo from Microsoft pre vaccinated. So I'm going this is this is this is weird. There's something else going on. Who Even thinks this way? There are people. How they think. They can. So I'm to be human is to what. I mean you want to breathe in and out? You know you want to aspire to something I don't know aspire to be top dog in the collective. Badge you need some you know title and a lab coat or something you. Title you know nobility you know this has been. You know infecting people for ever I mean. As far as I know you've got, are you? Are you a member of the court you know? Show. I I'm what is being human well I. I don't know. Is it amorphous? Is there a base? Is there a fundamental thing? You, we've discussed this younger age quite a bit and it came down to this. Everything wants to keep on keeping on subatomic particles. They know they're gonNA. They're gonNA. Keep on keeping on matter and energy interchangeable. You know nothing ever really gets destroyed. It just changes state. You know well. What's a state WE WANT TO CHANGE STATE? Are we going to be changing a state? Become what? You know you want to keep on keeping on. So what do you WANNA do? procreate. You want to make sure that your. Keep breathing in and out so you don't WanNa be it's going to have to wait. Is GonNa, you you? You WanNa, be breathing in and out. You want to make sure you keep breathing in and out so. Food Water. Not Too hot, not too cold. You know, get an equilibrium with your environment, so you don't die of disease I mean you know? What he right nutrition. Serving the body. Well then there's the mind. The brain and then there's the mind. Now in your brain there's influences hormones and so on sex drive you know what if you could change people fundamentally, and this is what we kept talking about changing people fundamentally if you changed them fundamentally, what do you do what happens? How do you change them to what to serve what? There's always going to be social house in. Just you know just out of the role of the dice. Billions of people you're going to have. Them turned up. Snake eyes, sometimes on people on certain things. But what if you're trying? This guy people unless good com sneaky sneaky people, the sneak I people. What if they want to make more snake? I people. What they want to take advantage of everybody else. What, if what if what if one of the ways is is to change you fundamentally? How would that manifest itself? Would you have more or less sociopath. Or less gay people more or less see a lot of that doesn't even matter to me as long as I am free to be what I wish to be. Naturally somebody comes out. However, they are accept them. You don't whatever answer. What's the question but when they take your money? Your resources your effort to manipulate at a fundamental genetic base level to create. What do we have on the front page of Freedoms Phoenix now they have stores that stop selling coconuts that are collected by slave monkeys. Planet of the apes stuff. Why did Caesar? Caesar goes no no hell. No I say no the first thing. No I need you. I want you to go seizure. Go do this. There's a real chimpanzee a whatever you know and planning to the. They rebelled against humans. They said No. So pirates, without, borders dot. com the letter that we have first contact protocols about what happens when we hit, you know we come a contact with other. Senate life intelligent life. Well, it's going to be I probably. Be the first one and it's GonNa, be a robot or a program, or a a or says no I'm GonNa do what I WanNa do I wanNA. Do you WanNa? Do I WANNA do what I would do. Well. I feel that the same things coming under trying to make us all slaves. Yeah, we can just dumbed down some humans a little bit more. They'd be really good at picking coconuts. Coconut pickers. So I'm I'm so then. Of course, humans are going now. We don't want it. He coconuts from slave monkeys. I choose not to do that. They go up threes. I know how slave are they? Are they untethered and look like they were unleashes. Now they were doing it voluntarily and they got some good. He's or they need you to break it open, so they can have some coconut. I'm with that, you know we got. Dogs. Do Sheep herding I? Mean you know what's the difference other than you know they put a shot Colorado or something, but. You know it's kind of a voluntary relationship. So I'm just I'm I'm interested in? How we're seeing by people with power and in these positions, because that's what's going on. They're trying to make monkeys. They're trying to make more docile, more dependent, more socialist, more more more something, and all it takes. Is You know time and? Ingenuity and desire. What chemical is it? What plastic has it been? What vaccine is it? North of Diet. So! What are they? GonNa, tell you at school. You spend more time at school when you do your parents. Jacked up is that? Yet them yanked them. Suckers out man, get the world what? You can play video games after you change transmission in my car I mean something learn something. There is I can see it in society. There is something purposely being done with intent and within a effects it happened. We'll get proper on I really. Say why. Together. Supportive. Of. Hill! From. We'll talk. The overall picture and the real estate market, today is one of frustration. 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Plow for a whole bunch of stuff here now. One of the things is Moon Mining. You know now as we got. You know different humans going to different places around. Are they trying to set us up to be? Solar System Slaves I mean I don't know what happens when you get out of the Earth's electromagnetic field. I can't imagine that life on this planet is tied to ill the forces that are here. It's GonNa Change now there's going to change. How how do you your hormonal system? You endocrine system fantasist in your system system electrical system of a system. You know work when you go to. Mars. I think we're GONNA. Come across a lot of things that we didn't anticipate and we didn't expect. But Moon mining could begin as early as twenty twenty-five plans to start moon mining as early as twenty, five became more attractive this week at the US, national or not accent species, ministration Nessa team found evidence that the Earth's natural satellite May. Underneath the surface be richer in metals. One thing that was interesting is this still hasn't been addressed and it's going to be. They're going to be talking about when we get there. they banged on the moon, they did a seismic hit. You know, and then it rang like a bell like it was hollow. I go! ooh, and the mass of going to think and you know there's. It's like there's a Lotta hollow. Moon they're going I. Don't know we'll find out one of the things add. There are lava tubes. there. Are you know underground caverns I? Guess it was your had molten whatever for whatever reason I don't know if it has a multi coronado, probably not but when it. What is described a lot of people may believe is that it was another heavenly body about the size of Mars or something that hit the earth, and it kind of coalesced into two different bodies and got gravitational walk. That's why we only have the one side of the moon that we ever see you never see. The other side is called. The dark side of the moon doesn't mean a dark. I mean you know rotating and get some some Becker, but the but we only see one side of the moon is gravitationally locked. So as it spins around, it does one revolution. Of itself as it. Goes one revolution around the earth. So of course it's going around. He'll get sun on both sides, but we only see one side. What's On the other side? Bad know. Is there like cities well. Of course we've had the satellite over there and go take a look, but that's where you get some conspiracy. ooh, look at this Oh, this has been. fudged over Oh. This has been wiped out. This has been like Google. Earth blotted out. You're not allowed to see that one area. Really. All this stuff's GonNa Start. Coming out pretty quick. Because we're. Going and space NASA had this thing called Project Artemis and have this big Called the S S A space transport system whatever it is, you know SDS is big giant rocket. It's almost like Saturn center five kicks, but on everybody. Five. Damn it because it was made to go to Mars the Saturn five that was that was was a bronze thing and we go into March well. The five could have done it. You know the way I don't know how they're going to. You know Redo it to get there. You know we'll. We'll I think they had to do a little bit more, but it was. It was made they were looking to go to Mars. But it was a lot of money. And of course you know military-industrial. Charge, five billion times word for everything well, starship is reusable. You know it's like a couple of million bucks. They get put stuff in. Orbit. Got A few hundred thousand dollars in liquid methane. Boom or not? Wow you only make oxygen there on on site, so it's just it's amazing. What's going on so if you have any kind of water, you can crack oxygen and. Hydrogen Oh that that's I. think that's what the. Be Four is blue origin. Jeff Bezos is program runs now. What most is doing is methane because you can do it with the atmosphere. And water on Mars. got that going on so now we have A. Automous is a project that they want to make sure that we get. Mirka back on the moon, and we're going, so they said. We need to have submissions from people with different landers. They come out with? The cat looks like a Lunar Lander. This is blue origin thing I think, and then they have another one that and then They didn't even talk to SPACEX until finally towards the end SPACEX goes Well, we don't care if we do at your project or not. Going to go with one of our star ships. Because it starts. We're land on Mars Roswell you know on the way we'll. We'll do moon to you know what the heck because at Mars you have to wait. Every thing is twenty six months. It's every. Two years a little over two years twenty six months for the earth. Catch up or get in the right launch position to be able to launch, and then you kinda rendezvous with Mars because Mars I think it's like twice as long to go around the sun. Is the earth? And the only thing that's interesting is Mars has A. I think it's twenty five twenty six hour day. You know it's very similar a lot and there was a lot of water there and they went me find life. I think they probably know there's probably been life there, but that changes, politics or something I mean I. I don't know how that's GonNa. Work Out! You know psychologically. See, it's not so. Are We so fragile that we take new information like that and we just blow up or something? You know it's not that. It's their control of our minds. It's the information they don't want you to have because it changes paradigm of in their program in the says we're not in their control anymore. If only we learn something I mean, it's some weird crap, but they're not treating us like like adults now we're. We're slaves. You're like children or something. This is changing. We're growing up as a speaking out, not me, not everybody give you that, not everybody, but it didn't take everybody. It just takes. You know a few inspired individuals just and. So. The Moon by twenty, twenty, two, twenty, three I think twenty five. We're going to have like a base. So this is all of a sudden. SPACEX gets in and they go. We're not going to land a little rover of kind of building or just take a whole damn starship, and it just lands. Eight Thousand Square feet of you. I, I figured IT OUT IS A. Pretty big some big houses that you have in there, but. when you're an orbit, you go by cubic meters, you know. Let's say you got a lot. More space held. The ceiling is a wall I mean you know it's just you know stuff everywhere? But the low gravity is going to change us and I think a lot of it is also going to be the magnetic field. Without the magnetic field, what do we have? How does it change the processing in our bodies? Adapt a lot of things but. They're going to adapt us with a vaccine. Seattle know. Where they can start doing crisper genetic level, you know, turn you into space. Aliens because they need space aliens. You know I'm. I'm not I'm not digging that I. Mean I like an exploration in. Informed Consent Maybe There's a lot of stuff common well. Mining's going to be one of them. How long will you be? On the moon mining. Do you want a robot to go. Do you want to own the company that owns the robot? You know this. Is You know there's a lot of things by improving our understanding of how much metal the Moon sub surface actually has? Scientists can constrain the ambiguities about how it was how it has formed how evolving and how it is contributing to maintaining have ability on yeah blah. Blah. Blah they WANNA. Make money. You know so. A lot of it to get out of the radiation and so on the lava tubes? There's going to be tubes on Mars, but it's the magnetic field. When you have a magnetic field, we are ill electric. We are creatures of light. You know this is A. The. Take us out of home. World I don't know you're going to have to have a reactor. 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The unanimous decision upholds the Evergreen State Law to find or remove faithless electors who refuse to cast their ballots for the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote in the St. Paul Smith is with the campaign legal center, which filed a brief supporting Washington state's law. He says electors could be influenced in other ways if states weren't out to rein them in. A couple of interest rules is no disclosure. Rules could be getting paid by the Russians none of that will be illegal, and so that was just one of the arguments on the court about how we really ought to keep electors as we're place holders, your heads just vote the way the state voted thirty two states have laws on faithless electors, but only fifteen impose a penalty such as a fine or removal, though Washington state elector involved in this case Brett. said he wanted to expose the Electoral College as an undemocratic institution under Washington State Law the penalty for faithless electors back at twenty, sixteen was a one thousand dollar fines since that lawmakers have strengthened the law, so that electors moved and replaced if they don't vote for the candidate, who wins the state data released Monday by the small business administration show the businesses owned by members of Congress and the law practices represent president trump were among the hundreds of thousands of firms that received from the agency. The Washington Post reports as part of its six. Six hundred sixty billion dollar small business relief program. The SBA hated out loans to private schools, catering to elite clientele firms owned by foreign companies and large chains, backed by Wall Street firms that regardless of whether the federal help would lead to more hiring. The Post reports more than ninety thousand companies in the program took the aid without promising on their applications would rely workers or that they would create jobs racial inequities in the children's services, system, or not a new problem, but recent civil unrest around the country is helping shed light on the issue. Compared with their white peers, black children are more likely to linger in foster care, less likely to find a permanent home and more likely to be placed in an institutional setting a lucas. County Children Services, director Robin recess. They are focusing on prevention as they work to reduce disparities. She explains it starts with leadership and the creation of a workplace culture that allows open and honest conversations about. About race and culture, you've had a lot of dialogue about these issues, and the fact that people are open to hear some of the things that families have been trying to tell us for years is exciting and I have great expectations recess transforming the child. Protection System is an integral part of reforming society to be more tolerant, more inclusive, more equitable. Mary Sherman reporting. This is pianist. House lawmakers have passed legislation that would disperse a billion dollars to states over the next five years, including honored sixteen million dollars to Kentucky, it's clean, abandoned mines and Jump Start Economic and community development projects Rebecca Shelton of the Appalachian Citizens Law Center says even before the pandemic, the bill had strong bipartisan support the replaceable new piece of legislation, but it's it's coming. After five years of a program called the in my man pilot programs and has really been a test. Run for what reclaim what offer? A study by the Sierra Club estimates if pass legislation would create thousands of jobs and Appalachian communities related to abandoned mine land and water, restoration work, and now updates on a pair of pipelines on Monday federal judge sided with the standing. Rock Sioux. Tribe in saying a controversial pipeline did not receive adequate environmental review. The judge said energy transfer must halt production. My early August as the review process unfolds Doug Crow goes. The Tribes Water Resources Department says it's clear. The judge carefully consider their technical arguments. He understood fully what exactly we were staying from. The beginning about the shutout vows about the. There's no response plan for a spill. The pipeline which has been in operation for three years was met with heavy protests during construction near the standing rock. Rock, Sioux reservation, which was along the North Dakota South Dakota border energy transfer along with state officials say shutting down the line during the crisis could be a devastating blow to north. Dakota's economy crow says he knows that will be one of the motivating factors. They will be up against as they continue to argue their case Mike Mohan, public news, service and finally. Denard tells US climate change. Activists are celebrating the landmark decision to abandon. Abandon these six hundred Mile Atlantic coast pipeline project backers of the Project Dominion Energy and its partner Duke. Energy canceled it over the weekend ending a six year effort to build a natural gas pipeline from West Virginia through Virginia into eastern North Carolina the Supreme Court just ruled that the pipeline could progress across Appalachian trail, according to Jim Coates in with the Sierra Clubs West Virginia chapter despite this, he thinks dominion and Duke finally realized. Realized the project was too risky and unnecessary. We have been saying for a number of years. Climate change is a real issue that we need to be phasing out the use of fossil fuel. We feel gratified that that reality has finally sunk in with dominion. The pipeline project was more than three billion dollars over budget. This is by Clifford for public news service. We are member. Listener supported and align at public new service DOT ARCH Behind me. I, remember that one hundred here's. We have these machines. And after a century, I remember that. We. Make them remember. We. Committee. A? Backer back well, okay! Finally, Derek Team Buford in and. Found! It figured out whatever whatever was I I have no idea of setting inside of something so. You got that taken care of and now we'll get. Pam scheduled for another time. The you wouldn't. Do RV's is done a found this one article. About. Where do you can't? What are the places to camp? Assuming you know your your systems working, you know that you can. Go anywhere for how long depends on how your system is. You know we have you know. Don't camp at Walmart Walmart. If you weeks ago, we were headed east on I ten across southern Arizona en route to rock coun-. State Park and Deming Co when it became clear. Excuse me we were going to have. The drive into the night. If we wanted to make our destination, we'd already been on the move. Since dawn, low tangerine son behind US cast long shadows from this arose, and deming was still three hours up the road, and these moments we were taught when we're tired. Short on time, don't want the hassle was set up and only in these moments it's tempting to pull artists, which is what we call our airstream into a Walmart many of. Of, the company stores, though not all allow RV's and trailers to camp in their lots, providing simplicity and Sucker to weary travelers, scanning my phone discovered one just a few miles ahead in the town of Benson despite our fatigue. We did not stop, and neither should you now? This is our experience on the same kind of thing we're going. It's time to you know. We just got to bed and kind of I. Where's the next Walmart? Fifty hundred miles away especially on a highway. Probably not too awful far from one the next semi major city. Now not all of them, and then you call and you say. Usually, they're open 'til eight. And you call on you. Say you know You're twenty four hour one allowed. Usually yes. And you just find a spot out in the edge of the Walmart or in the back or somewhere, and nobody bothers you and they don't care, and you just stay there overnight. You get up and you'll eat. No Muss no fuss, but. Often they get. Travelers to spend money there. It's worth that they make money. Because what do you do you know you go in that night? Get whatever you need to do in the morning. You get whatever you need to do a lot of times. We'll need even some electron. Repaired all kinds of HDMI. Blah Blah Blah or a SIM card. Or something like that. You know so. It works out for them, but the best thing to do. There's nothing against Walmart I'm no big Fan of the stores, but these days when more cities are legislating against mobile dwellers which they are, it's actually pretty cool that the company permits RV's and campers. Aside the stores are also often the only source of organic food organic food in rural settings. He swear. Are they really you know. Is this where you know they're giving you get well. At least they haven't organic. You know sections and aisles and different things to get. They just put the word organic on everything now so i. don't trust that I need Virgin Food and been screwed with that. All you know, where's that? So, however we avoid them because the experience is pretty much the antithesis of what we want out of Rhode. Life staying in a parking lot with others like eating fast food. Sure it's easy, but a visit to the grocery store will produce healthier simpler food and leave you feeling better afterward. One the one time we took refuge in a big box parking lot, we were anxious and exposed all night beneath the blue fluorescent lights and felt cheap and dirty in the morning. Besides camping in a parking lot is simply unnecessary at least not in the American West. And that's another thing America West man you just find a wide spot in the road and just turn and go dead you're you know there's a little dirt road somewhere or something, but it depends what you're driving. You know a big bus pulling a car, maybe not that. The and you know this security hasn't been a problem. It's been more than just. Walmart's lows allowed US one time, and so on, so we don't have a lot of experience in this, and with the harvest host harvest host dot com. These are places that. Allow the same thing. You have a little dairy. A microbrewery, a farm ranch golf course which I've yet to do yet, but we went golfing. This is what he crosby night owner of Rogers campground usually do that went to a nice place in the white mountains. Man. Damn, this is like right next to Bretton Woods. You know the Brenton Wood's agreement. Brent Woods Woods. Yeah, that's where we were. I'm like. was there bear bear bear nuts. After scanning my phone for a Walmart and resisting the temptation. I flipped over to the on X. APP. It's o n X. Space App and discovered that we were surrounded by mountains. The dragoons that your call was I'm. Very nice the Rinkins they gather rose, opin yells the they were all within our striking distance, and from the look of it each was replete with public land. A quick cross reference to all stays produced a promising option. A place called Indian bread rocks, just south of Bowie was less than an hour up the road and judging by satellite you. There were plenty of dispersed campsites tucked in A. Spray of rock outcrops, plus it looked to be only fifteen minutes off the highway, and it's going to be definitely to highway. You know you know it'll be off the highway. Now, this is your in the southwest. It depends on what time of the year you know. Some of these you might one hundred and fifteen degrees man. You not want to think it, you know, but you know if you've got you know good stuff. He was shot. When we pulled into place was more stunning than we could have imagined granite domes and Boulder, balanced and topsy turvy piles like prehistoric sculptures. So we don't since we'd only be staying overnight, we didn't even unhook the trailer which meant there was just enough time to pull out the camp chairs sips. Bourbon before the Sun dropped below the Jigsaw horizon after dinner when we're reemerged into the desert night, chill to a spray of bone, white constellations on a black sky, and when we woke the next morning to a craggy view of those Cabela's mountains, wilderness spread to the south. We couldn't resist a hike into the hills less than a half a mile for Marta missed rediscovered Indian bread rocks. If pimas, mortar and pestle pesto holes in the granite, shields or Apaches an others once ground-grain, these weren't on some tourist circuit, or even on a trail like all the best things that are out there to be found by anyone willing to poke around now. The cheer car was out. There is allow the I think the story goes Geronimo, and the Apache is you know evaded the calvary in the US a lot in the college, and there's just a bunch of mountains in you know. Canyons An. Dead in canyons and all kinds of stuff you know your area back there, you know, be cool now. What they did on the in the stone and the I'm not sure the stone would be there sandstone granite assault granite assault whatever but Dan you. Just take a depression just like these big stone rocks own. River stone rocks that they would. Grind grain in and Salon. They just do it right on these big boulders. Just a bunch of you know the women men. What are they? Sit around there and they just grind grain you know, and then it just became just. It's obvious you can see it in the stone, and that just came. You know the Party and we're GONNA. Do it right here and got all stuff we need and they did. So that'd be cool fine, even in West Phoenix what they call the Australia mountains, which means the stars in Spanish I think. The Australian mountains that's where all the UFO's are, and so on, and they're depicted by the native American. On Wall. Wrath on wall. Hour. Forever. Welling. Finished to come back. From the sixth letter of Captain Mark. 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You're listening to the best liberty oriented audio streamed around the clock on the air and online. This is the Liberty Radio Network at L., R. N. DOT FM. To be a part of the show, call six, zero, two, two, six, four, two, thousand, eight, hundred, six, Oh, two, two, six, four, twenty, eight, hundred, and now Ernest Hancock during the break we're checking on. All the battery and inverted. Yes, something got the communication thing. You know it's always something, but we're working through it. This is what all this stuff is shakedown down for his learning fine getting all learn fide on what's up. Now. I'M GONNA. Go and finish this article and I think it's interesting especially for what we're doing. I'm tempted to say that the experience beat. Though the one we would have had at Walmart, but that's an absurd understatement. Sandwiched between a dozen campers in a concrete parking lot is close to our experiences at you. Know bread rocks as traction as track. Suburban housing is to bubonic, country. Bucolic Country Bungalow, but you can't spend every day in a vacation home. You might say and that's where you'd be wrong. ARTEM are mobile manner, and though we work. From her, as we go a big reason, we moved in was to escape the humdrum of daily life. You know this is. Kind of you know what we're getting out. We're not home. Drum I can tell you that and every time. Somebody does something to. Telegram it makes the screen go over. How do I turn off notifications? Disabled notifications. For ever. You know for everybody. To do it for everybody to do that, okay? Ever, forever forever forever forever, everybody. I'll go look when I want to get. The Though the EASIB roadside parking, or pushing hard and rushing to the next destination, even returning to our fixed address when things aren't going smoothly, sometimes seems appealing silent mornings and wild places like India. inbred rocks coffee with stunning view and hiking into the hills. Even when we tell ourselves we don't have the time are precisely what makes the trade offs were worthwhile? The next day we drove through deming, we passed another Walmart and I counted at least a dozen trailers in RV's lined up and far reaches of the lot down the road. Rock counts State Park, or Miss Destination the night before was overflow overflowing with Scrum v yields crowded together on the free gravel spots outside the gates. The camp host offered us a patch and the group site with four other rigs, but we decline the mountains to the south where a patchwork of state and Bureau of Land Management Acreage by early afternoon we found another isolated back country site rolled out the awning or in for a week alone in the hills. Now this is what Bob Anderson's talking about at Saddle. Mountain where he lives. On the west of Phoenix about an hour and Toda Pa. There's a thing called saddleback mountain as a beautiful mountain. It reminds me a lot of the uniqueness in the cliffs, and so on the superstition mountains that's on the east of the valley. Now out there on the other side of it, you go out there and they'll atv polaris or motorcycles and outright, and suddenly boom is an ocean of people camping. RBM living whatever they're doing out there and. And I'm wondering if it's going to. If it was a lot in the spring I wonder God it's hot in the summer now. They're doing now, but. In the winter months. No, they do this all the time in court. Sight out between. It's about halfway between Phoenix and the California Arizona border. There's a place called court site as year round inhabitants Donald Ten twenty years ago. It's like four, hundred, fifteen, hundred I mean none hundred is just a white spot in the road you know with A. Crossroads and a gas station on now it's a it's a growing because what they'd have out. There is called the Rock and Jim show or or fossil, rocking Jim show or something like that, and you go out there, and you get all kinds of fossils and different stuff there. You have these things that come from the Mediterranean I think you these. Ancient millions of years old squid things in black rock that they carve out and Polish and you know they're gonNA cool decorations and they're not free. You know, but they're plentiful, so they're not rare, either but take a lot of work with them that came they call them, but so you got stuff like that and different fossils, and just rocks and gems, and and there's so many people out there. That creates this big shopping mark. It's kind of a gorgeous marketplace thing. Well a friend of ours Someone's being a supporter for years he. Published his own newspaper well in the winter months it would be in down in court site in the summer months. He'd make up in Prescott well. They. Both of them were to promote the. Selling of goods at these different markets, so he just go in and get advertising from a lot of these guys. You'll make a bunch of money. Put It in a newspaper. It printed at the local newspaper and distribute it out, and you know a little different stand at the on the tables of all of the different vendors and everything and people would always get it, and then they'd know where to go. Get their leather done or their. Dog Groomed or whatever the heck because there would be one hundred thousand RV's. Hundred thousand that would come in. And when they come in, they would. Set Up camp, and they sell their wares, and do whatever the heck that they were doing. Show going. Okay, so that was a good idea, he he'd make you know bank on that. We listened to the show, so we'd put the show in their. Declare your independence understand cockpit, so that would be an. Then you have, and then he goes all. All. We're GonNa talk politics because what was happening is the local town there such as it was, they created their own Inc. they created or city council. They here comes the guy's going to explain it to you and make some money and got a tax everybody so then he started getting law enforcement. They had police department. They started writing parking tickets. While they started. They built them some self up a nice little treasury, but that wasn't nothing what they wanted to do. Is What they always do. You need to have an municipal water system. Well, that's three hundred million dollars, and you're GONNA tax this and do this and build that and in and it started well, then they went after him, saying he had to have a permit for his first. Amendment right, make a newspaper. And Finally it came to us, and we hooked up with the Goldwater Institute that took the case a sued and won against the city that no, you don't need a permit to do a paper. At the. Definitely not a paper. And a lot of it, because it went out for him, because they had a lot of commentary in there, politically that we would put in and talk about what they were doing and the future of stuff. So, it's been A. It's interesting to see when people start going matic and he started being successful, and he started finding markets, and finding each other and able to sustain themselves and have entertainment and a variety, and even my goodness. Political! Commentary and opinion that you know the mandal like that either. You're so freaky, not allowed. Man. So, but there's still a lot of open land, certainly in the southwest, and that's what Jack Biz. Jack Lew same thing is just up in the mountains in the pine trees. You know there's a small lake by is just out in the middle of nothing now they have some campgrounds that are managed by the Ranger Service, and they the forest rangers. You know this has? outhouses, they have a little bit of trails. They got they got they got. 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