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"phil schiller" Discussed on AppleInsider Podcast
"Great monitor comes with it. Apple's decisions around this update just. Screams there's something else coming because again, they they changed the naming scheme for. No real good reason other than to bring it in line with the rest of their naming right you get a thirteen inch macbook pro life or a twenty-seven Mac. Now, instead of the five K.. So right moving away from resolution two inches maybe they want to acknowledge that the next generation maybe there's a redesigned big screens they want you to see that in the naming scheme instead of just being another. Five K. Yeah, you know it's interesting to if you go to the apple store APP on your iphone or Ipad you know they're really pushing the new twenty seven inch Mac is really being the new product. They're not even saying that twenty one and a half inches necessarily new. There's just the new tag on the twenty seven inch and honestly it's kind of. Hard to find the I mac pro until you really scroll down and go down to the the more options. So anyway, if you were in the markets, you know, Tim, Cook said we have Intel MACs coming down the line even after their apple silicon announcement ww DC and it looks like this at least one of them maybe this is the last. Intel. Mac. Coming out this year, but it's they're available. So check out all the links. Again, we have that comparison to the twenty, twenty verse Twenty Nineteen I'm Mac that's a good comparison year-over-year and the comparison of the five thousand dollar twenty seven inch compared to the five thousand dollar I mac pro twenty, seven inch. So check out those articles the links are in show. Notes and on apple insider dot com another big news that came out this past week was Phil Schiller. It was announced that he is going to become an apple fellow and Greg. Joswiak will actually be promoted to senior vice president of marketing. Now, maybe in a moment, you could tell me exactly what the term fellow means. In this regard, they're saying Phil Schiller. Is still going to be over the APP store at least overseeing the the APP store operations and things like that. But a jaws or Greg Joswiak will be over of the marketing. Schiller, was over for longtime. You have some other fellows listed previous apple fellows even I didn't realize that Steve Wozniak was listed as an apple fellow but for Steve I don't think. Apple Fellow really has any kind of meaning in a sense of running of operations in the company I don't think Steve Wozniak involved with that, but it seems Phil Schiller is and you know feel Schiller's words were you know he turned sixty this year and this was a planned change in a career in lifestyle and he wants to spend more time with. Family friends and doing other things. So you know it seems like a very amicable planned thing for a while but do you know any more about that term apple fellow? Well, this is all new to me and I. It's strange to be such a person like invested an apple and have seen a lot of the history and looked at some of the writings. And the about the early days, and this is the first time. I've ever seen this term right a little bit of searching I found a description online. An apple fellow is a person who's been recognized by apple for their extraordinary technical details or leadership and contributions to personal computing while at the company. So like Steve, Wozniak obviously being a CO founder and now. Moving onto Phil. Schiller having been there for ages as this s VP, the term doesn't seem to have any special meaning at doesn't offer any specific like thing other than they're given a part of the company as a bonus unless I guess they already hold it outside of that the what they get out of it or what? Responsibilities. They have is dependent on the person. So obviously feel Schiller is going to retain a hold of the APP store and Apple Events of as oversight, but everything is moving to Greg Joswiak. Interesting move. I saw a picture kind of going around and it was I don't know how many years ago but it had Steve Jobs Phil Schiller Scott forstall was in the picture and it was basically all these apple executives and the only one that is still an executive as of this announcement is Eddy. Cue from the time of Steve. Jobs, and so he's he's the last one from that picture that we've kind of seen around I'll put it in the show notes. So people can take a look at that, but you also had found or you listed some of the other apple. And effort some of these names but any points of interest there these names sound familiar no I've heard of Bill Atkinson. Yeah. But like yeah rich page apparently, he was around for graphic development a Guy Kawasaki Hughes Marketing Specialist I. Guess He might have been behind that nineteen eighty-four at a little bit. There's no through line or connection and. All these people seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth since leaving apple. So some of them running their companies or just living in the money that they've earned from being a part of the company but Phil Schiller seems to be the only apple fellow that is at the company with an active role. It brings the question what about Johnny I've and why's this role avoided him? and. That's you know he went in Jive left he announced he was going to be starting that design firm in the UK I forget exactly the name was going to be love from I. think that's right. Yes love from and honestly I have not heard a single thing about his new endeavors that company or anything coming out of there. So I'm not sure exactly what what he's doing. He's trapped in the white room still that's right. Sharing the room you know it's kind of funny when at WDC when they announced a macos big sewer and all the design changes, they were really trying to mimic those kind of voiceovers. Johnny I've used to do as they showed all design cheese and stuff and I was like you know what? Find. A different way to do that. Now that you've you've played that card for a long time, it can you can do a different. It's okay. So some other news that came out about the iphone twelve and I was fourteen, the iphone twelve this is actually something that came out Thursday. It's a rumor it's a supposed-. Picture of the new iphone twelve old led screen, and typically when we come close to the announcements in September, we'll see leaks like this of screen sizes or body cases, and so we'll put a link in shown on that but you know it looks like it could be the new iphone. Twelve screen. Some people noted that this photo think when you're talking about has the same notch size, the same face ID components as the current models. So maybe that smaller notch rumor isn't coming up to snuff. Also in regards to Iowa's fourteen. This was already announced that W WDC or we've covered it, but that apple is going to allow Third Party apps for web browsing and email to be set as the default APPs. So come Iowa's fourteen you'll be able to set say g mail or outlook as the default email application. What that means practically is if you were browsing the web and you click a button that's Auto populates an email I assume it could mean that it can pull up g mail. Now, instead of the stock mail APP, which is what comes up by default whenever you click an email like that, and also that you can set a web browser as defaults and apple has kind of laid out very specific terms for these different APPS, if they want to be eligible for being set. As the default, they have to meet a lot of different requirements. Again, they're all there in the article, but you know back to the different APP store policies in upset or kind of shown or developers that are kind of showing favoritism. It'll be interesting if they make Google abide by all the same stipulations and rules that they make hay, dot com or spark email APP and all that. Just. Different things that you know they can't be doing any kind of tracking behind the scenes for third party web browsers. It has to function like when a user clicks a link has to bring them to the page they're expecting and not go to something else probably like splash screen or advertisement I for web browsers there has to be away for the user to enter a url upon the. APP launch so you can't like hide the address bar think behind a bunch of other screens. So again, it'd be interesting to see if any APPS get denied that ability to be set as default for third party or if there's kind of favoritism shown, it's just funny to watch this wall slowly erode between official, apple APPS and third party APPS I mean if you look back at started with. Your L. Schemes Apple Saying, Oh, well, if you want to integrate an APP that links outward to a different APP, well, you can do that yourself. So if you're Google G. Mail and you want to open chrome, well, email can do that by default but you know as soon as you leave that APP and go anywhere else you click a link, it's GonNa, open safari and it seems apples finally..
"phil schiller" Discussed on AppleInsider Podcast
"The Apple Insider Podcast, Zero Stephen Rowe Bliss joining me this week is West Hilliard. Thanks for joining me. Wis.. Hey. Settling into your set up over there I saw you tweeting pictures of your your new. I guess desk areas, which again, well the first one you might have seen as my desk I, brought from Virginia most recently I tweeted a picture of me getting many setup for the first time in about a month trying to hide it in a corner of my living room. That's right. That's right the Mac mini and you know we were kind of having a little discussion on twitter the last week about trying to use a MAC as a secondary display, I'm going to do a call out all of our listeners. If you know how to do this you had recommended dewitt display and I've now tried Luna display and do at display and actually have the display. And it works wirelessly I. What I'm trying to do is use my sixteen inch macbook pro and have a secondary display being my back twenty fifteen retina four K., I'm I'm trying to use the I, Mak display and do a display and Luna display will work wirelessly but they do not work wired their little laggy when you use it wirelessly both of those products trying to use a wired and I've not found a solution. So listeners out there if you never way to hard wire and use an I, MAC as a secondary display out would love to. Hear a tweet at me at Stephen Wroblewski, and I'd love to hear it. But there's that and also if you did not catch it, there was a special episode of the podcast got released earlier this week. This past Monday, actually had developer founder and CEO of Rogue Amoeba Software Polka Fossas he was on the show and he did interview with US talking about APP store policies, his experience with the MAC APP, store some of the struggles and how he feels about the percentage share and all that stuff that came out during the antitrust hearing as well. So. If you haven't listened that episode, it's in the feed. It was actually episode three hundred didn't even realize be sure to check that episode out as well. Well, we have a ton of news this week. Let's jump into it. First of all, the I max got a refresh and has saw John, prosser. He's always on that twitter. He's being active and you know he had predicted this. I think that happen Tuesday that the I'm ex refreshed yes. Tuesday around noon actually very random time. Right. So he tweeted out bad morning saying I'm axel dropping today it was twenty minutes before the Max launch he beat it by about the amount of time it takes around an article about it. So okay. Yeah we were racing against him. Because they beat about twenty minutes but you know unfortunately this was I didn't really have this in the nose to talk about. But John Prosser, you know he has the Youtube Channel I think it's front page tech. Unfortunately, his account was actually hacked has google account and his entire Youtube channel and all of his videos were completely deleted His channel just disappeared didn't have access to it even tweeting back and forth with Youtube about trying to get a recovered but as far as I could. Tell up to this point they have not restored or a we don't know if they'll be able to all the videos from that channel. So cautionary tale over say about Brasler we feel for you on that man and hopefully you can get it resolved and you can get those videos back. I don't even know if that's the thing that youtube can do if you do you know of any case of someone having a channel or video deleted and Youtube restoring it for them. This is. Happening to quite a lot of channels doesn't seem to be anything to high reaching or anything like that. But combined together it's reach you know over one hundred, thousand people these hacks they always display some weird qr codes trying to get you send them bitcoin. And they yeah like you said, they went in and deleted all of his videos. Now, the pages gone, it seems that Youtube as a reaction to the hack removed it from being live until they could figure things out I've never heard of like the after effects of such a hack like what Youtube is going to do to try and fix this if it's fixable or there's backups, right so we'll. We'll see yeah, he's been tweeting about pretty consistently really trying to youtube to move on it so but we're willing. To Jump Rosser and you can check him out go to the apple insider dot com article, the podcasts article, and we'll put a link to him. So you could follow his tweets but the reason why we got to that is because he beat the I, Mac launch by twenty minutes but apple refreshed there. I'm Mac line both the twenty one and a half inch, twenty, seven inch and the I mac pro there was not a redesign basically, what happened is the twenty one and a half inch and twenty seven inch. The fusion drive as far as I could tell his now gone even from the base models. I don't think it's it's an option anymore, the twenty one and a half inch I'm Mac. Can Be configured with a one terabyte fusion drive at the highest end it that's the only one. Okay ride and so the twenty-seven Mac and now is an SSD storage on all levels starts out with two hundred and fifty, six Gigabyte SSD, and you can upgrade that all the way up to eight terabytes now, which is a higher ceiling for storage than it was previously. So again, no design refresh but it got respect bump and now has until ten generation processors and you can spit. Out a little more and what's interesting is the I MAC pro. I. Don't even know if we're considering this a model refresh I'm not sure if it'll even be like a twenty twenty model, but basically the base model for five thousand dollars is now the ten core Intel chip as opposed to the eight core I believe that was most interesting is we actually have a comparison article and they'll be Lincoln shouts encourage you to check it out. We compare the new a refresh twenty, seven, inch regular. I'm Mac speaking it up to five thousand dollars matching it with the I mac pro based model. So you're looking at the same cost and honestly the regular twenty, seven inch. More appealing product the biggest differences you know the Amec froze using entails w chips and the twenty seven inch Mac non-pro is you can pick it up to the Intel I nine. So it is a different processor, but for the same price, you actually both get thirty two gigabytes of Ram and both machines decent video card and has also features that the new twenty, seven inch, Mac. Has the I mac pro does not like there's a new nanno texture glass option on the twenty seven inch, and it comes with a true tone display and the facetime cameras also been updated to ten eighty P. so thought interesting you know upgrade on the twenty seven inch models and almost starting to obviate the need for an I mac pro we think about that there's a couple. Of Weird things here. So first of all the I mak pros old enough that still can't run full six, a prototype xt are and I think the rat, the ten core processors are getting in this still can't do that. So that's a very weird emission they the pro amac can't run the prototype lakes Dr of right and on top of that, the I'm pro has a completely. Redesigned, internal space for cooling because of the system architecture and there and the higher power graphics cards but It. Seems that the twenty seven inch i Mac apple just released still has the same internal design we we haven't confirmed that, but it seems to be the case. So the question is is what exactly makes the MAC pro, a pro machine, the space gray color I mean. Absolutely. At the end of the day it seems that apple's. Moving away from the line. But this is also a greater sign of what's to come with the apple silicon transition. That is true I wonder. Yeah. When apple silicon comes the desktops fail I, Mac pro will slip into the night, which would be very strange i. mean they have a twenty seventeen version of the Mac pro and maybe not another one which is pretty curious but the new twenty, seven inch. If you SPEC that out again, you can get up to eight terabytes of SSD storage on the regular twenty seven inch Mac. You can get up to one hundred and twenty eight gigabytes of Ram and again you have several video card options I mean that twenty seven inch can really get beefed up if you're wanting an I mac, I would almost say you really look at that before the pro because you can actually be saved money and have a really powerful machine plus you can get that Nano textured glass, which is interesting on an Amac but I know this doesn't tempt you because your your ipad Guy Right it's just it's just strange because i. is a great machine. If I didn't have a Mac mini, you'd probably be an Amac is my next choice just because it's you know all in one..
Phil Schiller Moving on to Become 'Apple Fellow'
"Talk about retired Phil he's just he's got a glow about him. Phil Schiller has decided to call it quits at apple and I can't say that I'm surprised he hasn't really been front and center for a while and seeing how they had steve jobs transition and Johnny. I have now transitioned out of their roles. This seems to be the game plan. You just stop showing up on stage appearing in the. People kind of forget about you but you're still there you still doing your job they quietly transition you out of your role, and then they quietly announced that they're leaving and they become an apple fellow, which is what happened to Phil. Schiller. He's now an apple fellow you WanNa take this story here. Lewis, I'm not like sure when the whole thing. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So he a fill is going to continue to report directly to apple CEO Tim Cook in the new position as apple fellow, and he's going to continue leading the APP store and Apple Events Greg Jaaz Joswiak is fronts Joswiak I like that name as Joswiak Josh. It's actually very bizarre. Isn't it? That would go from Wozniak Joswiak? It's almost like a a word jumble. Quite odd. Anyway, Jaaz is going to take over a shortage previous role over the years. You know he's had a lot to do it apple and he's been there for like you think what? You say eighty seven he's like he's been there since eighty seven checkout this quotes. been a dream come true for me to work apple and so many products I love all these great friends, Steve? Tim. and Sony More I. I started Apple when I was twenty seven. Wow this year I turned sixty. That's a long time to be at the same. So, what is I? Guess that's thirty three years I. Guess It is Chess Wild. Yeah. And what did he say? He said I'll keep working here as long as they will have me I bleed six colors but I also want to make some time in the years ahead from my family friends and a few personal projects I care deeply about. Some people were saying that last statement personal projects. I. Care Deeply about. It's an interesting time to say that because right after he said that. John Processors Youtube Account was hacked. Right. I'm sure that a coincidence. Alert. Blocked John Browser on twitter and finally he's likes. Just a project in mind crack. And he just started typing loudly with two. He only uses two fingers. It's two index fingers, right? Because he's owed sees old school. But he was sitting there looking down to this keyboard looking back up at the screen and he just John Prosser got what was coming coming to him. Took a write down what a bitcoin scam.
"phil schiller" Discussed on MacBreak Weekly
"I would I be thrown out of this club? If I said, I, think that there's GonNa be another Intel Mac before they stopped making them. But you'd surprise me why I I I don't know why. But I just have a feeling. We're GONNA see another new. Road it be sixteen inch macbook, pro. Generation. There we go. I would be I would i. would like that that would actually make sense because it'll be a year before the apple silicon sixteen inch probably, right right. Just, I thought we were getting earlier I. Didn't I didn't go all out on the last one 'cause helping you get it earlier. We didn't these are incremental upgrades soda to existing machines and sixteen inch backward pro would-be an incremental upgrade to be tenth generation until. Honestly I am so happy with my to or what is it two or three year old MAC pro. I, see I have no pressure upgrade that. You shouldn't yeah I don't need to but I do I do believe. There will be Komo next year or what is the opposite of foam? Oh. Shucks I didn't miss out. chaumont. Glad I waited. When you see the new i Mac with fins and glitter ball, you're GONNA go crap. I love that. What I'll give you a couple of things face ide-. Right that's why it's not on this. Who Cares okay? It's How many times do I How many times logging onto on a desktop once in the morning and that's about it. I. Wouldn't. Say. I walked by my watch goes we unlocked your computer. I do like that. You're right. If you haven't Apple Watch, you don't need anything else. I would like it anyway though 'cause they don't need the little. Walking by by. Scientists. Unlocking. Think of all the Times you reauthenticate. You wouldn't have to yet. For purchases you. Okay. That's good point. I I need to face ID on my? I. Mac. Touch ID on Miami I think it would be well worth it. I. Wonder If. To. So my understanding is that it makes the keyboard too extensive because you have to have basically Apple Watch inside, and now the T- to chip is even more the original tea one chip they're going to go straight. Yeah and the T to tip is the IPHONE. Yes Oh. No one I say they saw the magic keyboard hundred bucks but we complained and I think the the magic keyboard was like four hundred bucks because it has done display in it because they and the reason is a displays. 'CAUSE THEY WANNA show you the actual number and nobody can do fraud you by displaying a bogus number next to the. anyways, the thing I think they'll find enough. Surface features to make you feel like boy I. bought the I bought the cube. Bought the last Emoji with face idea on the on the Leo that's the only thing holding back. If it had me Moji, they would sell It's true. It could that mammography. But I, but I do agree hundred percent it's not just the certainly only my looking for a painting, a huge speed performance by also looking forward to apple. Dropping, handcuffs and saying, here's the things that we can do. That can be enabled by hard work and a desktop that would just like all the stuff we could. We're able to do just because it seemed like a good idea or because of or because We're not bottlenecked by by hardware constraints If we can put everything on our own custom chip, the idea of having even higher refresh rates having I maxed that Lafayette feel even more liquid than they do right now that would be interesting. He's will be out of the box that's the main point. And so you're buying something in the box right now but because we're all in the box we go. Yeah that's great. Yeah, if that's how you buy a windows pc because. Well, because they're going to stay in the box for a long. Time but there's going to be a new kind of thing. Next year you're gonNA wish you had. No but his lawyers said like for for people who are like Alex or like me when I edit my I, I cannot afford any problems. I cannot afford any revie boards that cannot afford any software incompatibility. No Fun issues to de bug. And so like buying this now and holding it, 'cause pros like they pay off their machines with gigs with clients and stuff. So getting this now holding for two years feel like it's a very, very safe bet. Yeah I. Can I say something that might be somewhat shocking? We'll maybe not coming from me but this is this the the announcement of apple silicon really upended my hardware buying plans for the next year I pretty I my decision had been that I've got fifteen hundred dollars close two thousand dollars set aside for a brand new Mac mini with whatever the thing is at the by. The, end of this year, if there's apple silicon, don't know what I'll do then but it will change that and now I'm thinking that because the again the form factor that I need a desktop Mac is traditionally a Mac mini were probably not going to get that this year we might get a lawyer, a thirteen inch, macbook pro this year instead now my thinking is. I'm BR. I'm broadening my thinking to okay. Well, why do you need a big desktop a powerful desktop? Mac it comes down to things like again being able to stream stream in high definition like this like we're doing right now the idea that in next year so I might want to try to play with four K. video editing photoshop things are really really high performance. Premiere dreer effects. And the and I'm starting to think well, what if we took like the money that we some of maybe half of the money three quarters, the money we put aside for May. This year we build a PC that is high performance, but that is tailored to exactly the sort of stuff that I want high-performance do make that the boring sort of like boiler in the basement that just gets the job done for high performance stuff. But then when I see a apple silicon MAC mini come out next year I will buy that for all. The Max stuff, all the stuff that involves like me actually doing my creative work on my writing and all my communicating and stuff like that or even God forbid actually buying a macbook pro the end of this year knowing that I can still I can be able to split my bets amongst multiple machines. That's that's how revolutionary this idea is i. don't foresee a future a future without having apple silicon on my desktop, and now I'm starting to think about what what, what is precluding me from wanting to buy a new macbook pro for. Precluding me from wanting to buy a Mac mini this year or in the next next like two quarters and there's a that's just an indication of how much disrupts in a positive way. The buying decision for people who still love who still want to continue to carry Max through forward here how do you like my outfit? Not to change the subject. Retired. Black. Jacket, but the rest.
"phil schiller" Discussed on MacBreak Weekly
"Rene said through his proxy Laurie. Say that. If you keep waiting and waiting and waiting because you know a new new thing's GonNa come up you're never gonNa have it and then the next year you're going to lose all the benefits of having a machine that is one year old as opposed to the eight year old Mac that you're that you're trying to replace it with. So it's going to be a false economy. I think I've mentioned this before, but there's also the average consumer that that you you want to think about too. There are lots and lots of people that don't give a flying F. about what ship is in their computer they just WANNA computer they're not gonNA care whether it's silicon or Intel. So this is the latest most updated version of an AMAC for those people for people who aren't waiting for the the new big changes. They just need a new computer they don't even know what Intel versus arm versus. Apple. In a months when the new I mak with fins comes out. They're gonNA feel ready left bond though you're right. They're not looking at the inside but I promise you. The apple silicon Max will look very different and we'll have features it will make you want them. In independent of silicon. But, there's GonNa be a lot of people who they don't care about that kind of stuff. You know there's there's so many people in this world who just need extra work and trying. Buying. Max. Those those are still buying windows for reason, no one understands your. Though even Paul in partial on that. But with you know like apple, the iphone became so popular that people are now buying whatever they can afford. It has nothing to do with whether it's the most recent one. They're just buying the iphone they can afford because it got so popular. In a way nobody's buying. Way Apple is apple trying to position itself as being the company where if you just need a computer, we've got one for you. We've got the most recent one with the most. Know. If you? You're going to buy a five hundred dollar windows machine. Know anybody. First of all nobody's buying desktop computers, the people are buying. Here's her businesses who are buying windows are not buying Max and professionals who know better. I have to think there's a very scant market for this six kittens especially right now. Back to school but even there aren't they buying laptops. Why would you buy this in front of House was not anymore in the front of House anymore. Marketing, a marketing, a positioning for apple that they're. They're trying to capitalize on the fact that they just launched a new. Mac. So these students are going back to school at home. A desktop, all these children, these parents with children and their they've got to get them up to speed. With, whatever's there? You know it's not cheap, but it's the latest. So you know there's Also the last time. It's GonNa feel. So out of date next year I can absolutely promise you having bought an apple cube on the very last day. You combine it Apple Cube I know what these people are headed for it. They may not know there is another group. Actually, there's the hedge funds the people who think apple silicon is going to be a massive flop. Who may say yell last chance to get Mac Os until the last great. Mac. There is a small but finite chance that will happen to write. This is the last good Mac. I would I don't think that's going to happen but I don't either the when we talk about the certain, you're also talking about what if? Again what if you need you? You you you like the form factor, you need a new one how much you willing to bet that apple is definitely going to have one this year like they're the common wisdom with quotes around it is that will have an iphone event. Then a desktop event let me maybe a month after that, and there's no guarantee that they're going to say and we're and these new the first generation apple silicon Max are going to be your are available for order today they might say here it is we're going to. Be announcing ship date when we are ready to ship it or or they'll announce an apple silicon. Mac. That is not the Mac that you want for me I mean my in my circumstance the only apple, the only apple. Mac Silicon macklin interested in is a Mac mini because the I mac doesn't work for me. The Mac pro is almost certainly going to be priced out of my out of my reason ability range and I could be waiting upwards of a year for a for a Mac, mini version of apple sold can. People. Everton when I tweeted about this. Oh, well, apples shipping shipping apple silicon Mac mini right now developers no, they're not they're shipping. Shipping at developer like testbed that they that people can borrow for a few months but they have to send back to apple. There's no promise that that's actually ship any time this year. So the question is just like Lori was saying, how long do you want to wait hoping that to not knowing exactly what apple is going to ship you the Mitch the machine, the Act actually want. So, there's a lot of people if you need an I MAC, and if you've been holding offer like for eight years and remember that one of the advantages and the the boat anchors of being an apple user is that you're not forced, you're not forced to the due to incompetence of hardware to upgrade before the thing just absolutely collapses like the. Blues Mobile at the end of the movie this things can go over, keep going and going and going and going, and you wind up with an eight year old machine that suddenly can't stream four K. video the way you want to, and now is the time you absolutely need up raid as opposed to maybe I could make an upgrade maybe I can't so. There are a lot of there's a lot of uncertainties I. think it's going to be a success, but you don't know when the machine that you want. The one you need is going to be shipping with apple slogan. Sounds like notebooks this fall anyway not. Yeah, thirteen inch books, pro I I. Honestly I'm telling You folks listen to Leo. He's done this before I've been around the block. If you can wait till next year, I would strongly suggest wait until next year. If you can't win if you student going off your freshman college and you don't, you don't have anything to us, okay. But boy I'd wait..
"phil schiller" Discussed on MacBreak Weekly
"That was the press release yesterday. Capital that all this stuff was ready and see the apple logo come across the notification center I'm like it's go time. It's it's Oprah's club. Empress Book. Club everybody. So now that was yesterday today we get new I'm Max, but don't get your hopes up these or not apple silicon. In fact, this is almost certainly exactly what apple's referring to when they said we still have some Intel MACs in the pipeline here. They are ladies gentlemen your last until macintoshes. They are the same design. They basically just put ten th generation Intel chips in them. Is that right? You already have done your good. You've already done a video on youtube about this. Yeah. So the It's basically what they did with the thirteen inch macbook pro and that is they took the same chassis, the updated the silicon to the latest Intel generation which. Is just more cores on the same process node. We all know that story by latest AMD graphics but also because the density and the pricing has changed on memory storage, you can go to one, hundred, twenty, eight Ramp on by the way I would suggest that. Because I have sixty four gigs of Ram my I'm pro and I still am able to re booted just by leaving photos open. So get one, hundred, twenty, eight kids maybe. Logic especially logic your heart limited for the number of instruments based on the quantity of Brown's. That's. Like you've been salivating for this basically sixty four seems ridiculous. Except that, there must be a memory leak and photos because if I leave it open invariably, I'll come back to a rebooted Macintosh. I'm so glad they got rid of that stupid fusion drive this was. Still in the is still A. Twenty one. Yeah. Yeah. But most SSD's thank God. This about like the minimum being two, fifty, six, that's like. I've got more, I've got more stores. It's it seems like you're shooting amount of storage. Yeah. That's like the that's like. It seems like it's their like the Cadillac that says, Oh, we can get one without a radio without air conditioning and it's in this ugly color. But for twenty dollars more, you can get the executive at since only. One. That's exactly why. That's it. There's a that's a well-known You know the people Freakonomics, folks what do they call that social behavioral? Be It's a marketing tactic the walls. That's why the Wall Street Journal has a subscription level. You will never ever in a million years because it makes no sense it costs more just to get the paper then they get the paper plus digital. And because they know, no, one's going to buy that one. That's the bottom line. So microwave, right happy one that always breaks you never WANNA buy. There's the normal one, and then there's a normal one that just made out more expensive parts I do have to they offer that to fifty six kick storage across the entire twenty, one inch line. So maybe it isn't completely the crappy version. The usual story you hear about that is that it is intended for people who are almost entirely on external storage and all they really want is is is to boot up the machine and WANNA pay Apple. They also offer an eight gig Ram. Configuration for the. Saints. I honestly think it's so that. They WanNa get you loosened up a little bit come on just spend a little more come on just get that low price on. Once you start doing the bill to order it's hard to stop. But makes the lowest price one just speaking to the marketing that you're talking about. It makes the lowest price when seem low where you go oh, you know what? It's only seventeen ninety nine I can do that, and then you know you're looking at the specs and you're little lemon to get a little more ram and then it jumps up but you you jumped in to the pool because you saw seventy nine you know yeah, they did. They upgrade the I mac pro I don't think so yes, they did. I mean. Basically now now that the regular base Mac nothing is about as powerful as last year's I MAC pro. Boosted the lower the cheapest by in for the I mac pro to make it as powerful as the most PA- little bit more powerful, most powerful I mak. So make make it more a transition between Iraq and then actually a jump to the lowest Mac pro in terms of performance. Then up from there, the pros started at five thousand but now you get a W. Tencor tencor. That's the same isn't it or? No? You guys eight before it was. Okay Gigs of Ram. The was gotten that terabyte storage. That's maybe so okay I. Get it. So they're just they're not. They're not putting newer chips in the I MAC pro only in the I mac. Two. Zero? Ten. Yang Yeah Yeah points. Could Lord it's about updating. Glad they're abandoning. Until at this point it just it's just depressing over there. So Tense Guy Generation let's let's. Let's just see how much just see how much you'd pay I did that it's amazingly. Hydraulic. I hide your wallet. So just the base model twenty seven Inch Five K. is twenty, two, ninety, nine to we WANNA get. Nano texture glass yeah. We disagree on this is just such high maintenance it looks gorgeous but you have to use special. Yeah, and I know I would never do that and why do you like it? Because it's got little bumps on it that I've been wanting to touch for the less. West right it is. It's. It's gorgeous. I've I've seen it on the pro display and it's really beautiful. It really does look. So I I love the idea of a matte screen, but I don't love the execution of most matte screens. They kinda look like there's a film gasoline over the front of them and with the the Nanno texture on on the the x pro definitely does not have that. So presumably, this this screen would be the same it would be clear and Chris, but also Matte Laurie sold me sorry Rene. Going to spend five hundred dollars. Out again that she got yelled at by Phil Schiller trying to touch. Permission it's hard not to get an I nine in this one, ten cores. Nice. Again, don't know how that compares to Zeon W tencor. It's faster in its single chip clock speed Max clock speeds three point six, Gigahertz five Gigahertz Ram. That's where we're going to go crazy look at that twenty six, hundred bucks you're more than doubling it if you just go to one, hundred, twenty, eight, gigs, Ram. By itself..
"phil schiller" Discussed on MacBreak Weekly
"Let me let me fill you in on Greg Joswiak who is now the apple s vp for worldwide marketing got his start. Early he got a degree in the Bachelor of science in Computer Science in nineteen, eighty six and even then they said. His nickname jaws was a combination of Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak he was destined to join apple joined apple in eighty, six, two years after the Macintosh launched in Apple's newly newly-formed, Support Organization for the MAC. So he has his roots deep in the Mac was running that group within two years Then he led calms for the Apple Developers Groups. So his good relationship with developers, I always like to see that. That's a very important thing at apple to understand the users, but also understand kind of the second most important group. Reports into him. Now I mean, that's a big part of the marketing organizations worldwide developer relations right in nineteen, ninety, seven, he led product marketing for new powerbook line eventually, all pop portable products eventually, all hardware products including in two, thousand, one, the Ipod, and then. Of course, the IPHONE and the IPAD. So he really has been in a marketing role kind of. Product marketing role forever and ever, and they're very different than a lot of marketing people because I my job when I was in product marketing, a lot of people talk to sales people who would just tell you whatever you wanted to hear like please by my widget, it will do any. Oh, you want it to pour coffee does that you want it to fly a plane that does that by my widget and if we've talked to fill or jaws, they will explain the silicon they'll explain the memory substructure they will explain the manufacturing process they'll explain how the software and they are mostly engineers very very. Very. Bright in a way. This met my opinions and upgrade 'cause jaws really isn't engineer Phil Schiller BS was biology I think Phil was more Classic Marketing Guy, who loved the product loved the engineering. Jaws. Is An engineer from from the way back classically. Educated. GM. Exactly I mean that's a that's a you work at apple that at such a high level that that that's much better on a resume. Then we don't have a degree in engineering, but I was a senior executive. Fire. But I underscore what said about John I haven't I haven't had I only have one briefing with Phil had many withdraws and he's not only I've and I've also had those briefings with like marketing executives gets where there is this. There is the script where we're trying to implant these phrases in your head There's times when with when I when I had a briefing and I saw like draws In the room. It's like Oh this is great. We can just have like a forty five minute conversation about like every single note that I have and everything that I don't understand about technology or anything that was unclear and even if it's something, he can't talk about he will figure out what I'm really trying to ask and find a way to get. It was always a very, very deep conversation so. I'm very very he. He's. He's on that list of a of apple people where I've known them for so long and have had such good times with them that like I can't. Retire so we can hang out and become actual friends because we have to I can. I can't ask you like out for a drink at a trade show because that would be wrong a soap. Has Been at apple one year longer than Phil Schiller but he's. Not much younger than Phil Schiller, which is kind of interesting Phil turned sixty this year. So it's kind of you know apple doesn't say stepping down. They the press release sounded like he was stepping up. But really he's stepping down right? He's semi retiring sideways sideways he's. He's. He's sees these no longer over clocking his CPU. The quote from the quote from the statement is I I started apple when I was twenty seven. This year I turn sixty. It's time for some planned changes in my life as somebody in his sixties I understand. That usually means taking a little more time to enjoy life You know he's been there a long long time and he's done a lot of things. He's probably worked as you say a really really hard but boy, you really have to say that with the exception of Tim Cook there have been some massive changes Johnny I've is gone. Angela has gone Steve Dowling has gone. We dealt more with dowling perhaps. Than the general public because he was their internal PR guy and then Phil Schiller who is absolutely the figurehead second only to Steve Jobs of for this company for a long long though because it's because they're executives stays along that. When they change, it's a bit like you like you watch a lot of events at a lot of technology events and it's different people every couple of years and the people you deal with are different almost continuously like especially another company absolutely the CMO chess. Such a big thing happened. The been there for thirty years yeah. So Chris Espinosa. who was like one of the original Mac guys tweeted congratulations on being promoted to apple fellow joining here the other apple fellows and this will give you some idea of where in the Pantheon fillers ending up Steve Wozniak Rod Holt who is a engineer on Apple Two alcorn same bill. Atkinson who designed quick-draw was very involved in the design of the early. Macintosh. Steve Caps and other Macintosh engineer rich page Gersh Ron's to do Gary Stark. Weather Alan Kay who is As close to a God and personal computing as you can get Don, norman and Guy Kawasaki, those of the Apple Fellows Ladies and gentlemen legends so many I. Hope I. Hope they have. An embroidered smoking jacket. Orange like what is it green? Jacket. A nice color anyway six dollars. Might be. Yeah, and the other thing about Phil. We always knew is his hobbies. He was. You know he's great photographer right? They always showed off his time. he was a scuba diver He his I didn't know car aficionado cars. Rum's huge was. In. Marine. Late in Iraq very briefly a progressive rock prog rock fan all his twitter bio. So he's not going to be. Sitting, on the roof having lunch. Both vessels? Interesting about the longevity of the executive careers at apple because my experience with people who are working at that kind of a level I'm talking about like mentally is that they get very very restless after time where at some point they They do they did everything that they wanted to achieve at certain company? They are the really envious in terms of what they've accomplished, but then they're like, but I really really want to be the really really want to be the first people the first one to photograph this presumed to be extinct species of bird, and then suddenly that's all they want to or. Not WanNa make movies now or I want to I, want to be a phone truly become a therapist as opposed to I want to tide some of my money in a in creative ways. It's it's always been very interesting to me that people who tend to people who get to apple ten at that level tend to stay at apple again, they have these ten, twenty, thirty year careers seems like you know it's like it's like being the the first the the number one that on the enterprise you're not gonNA dynamite we'll take we'll blow reicher out of that seat and you wonder how long it's GonNa take for other people to advance up. So. That's just one of. A dozen big stories today. Already the other big story that happened this morning and I got the press release on my I have bought that follows the apples pr. And there's No for book club. Oprah's book club is also in that..
"phil schiller" Discussed on MacBreak Weekly
"Laura. Gill I would like to join the fellowship of the ring. please. She's also a fellow ship. Of the ring. Actually, all that comes from an announcement. Early, this morning that Phil Schiller is moving upstairs fill of course, who was in charge of marketing and apple for how long. Ever. Twenty-seventh. It was with Apple for twenty seven. He's he's he's been in marketing for twenty seven years is head of marketing for I want to say fourteen, Fifteen I. I see. So long that I can't remember who is predecessor was he? A fixture there you think you think about a Mount Rushmore of apple meaning that these are the four or five people that you see at every single keynote that represent like the face of apple who know all of the stories deep deep deep back into the Steve Jobs era who also are part of the brain trust that factor all the decisions when the fact that he has marketing and title implies that he's choosing colors for posters. No, he is like deep deep deep like waist-deep and every single decision reruns about. Exactly. Has the S in biology from Boston College, he was at macro media and San Francisco. Yes. Vp I didn't realize that people product marketing. We must have just you know bay almost crossed paths at that point at apple he has been pretty much as you say, any part of every major apple announcement of the past decade and a half. Worked on the format formation and marketing of I MAC macbook macbook pro ipod MAC OS. He's credited with coming up with the idea for the click wheel interface on the original ipod. He worked as a support supporting role best best supporting actor to Steve Jobs famous keynotes for both the IPHONE and the IPADS. In fact, wife I won the what. He's turned off your laptops. Remember, he hit a jumper something with the with the laptop while Steve. was trying to be a signal like some of those are just so classic like a rerun. He he wouldn't jobs is on medical leave. He gave several teenagers, keynotes, himself including apples, apples last keynote at macworld two, thousand, nine, the WWE DC keynote in two, thousand nine. He announced the macbook pro line, update the three GS new versions of life and I worked, but he's best known for one word. Courage. And not innovating anymore. My Ass. Both of which didn't age well. No but I mean like they're the memories that we live with Leo. Unfortunately you get kind of painted with that brush, he is still at Apple, he will be an apple. What does that even mean? Oh thank goodness Leo because. I actually lifted a PDF. Nice. Still couldn't figure out how that relates to what Phil Schiller we'll be doing it apple. Yeah. There's no title between Senior Vice President like apple doesn't have presidents they don't have anything else. They have a very. eneg matic structure and he's basically going to keep control. So he just kept getting more and more things. If we've noticed over time like Steve Dowling hasn't been replaced you know his job is just being done by others Angela errands wasn't replaced. Her job is just being done by. Some people are not at apple anymore. No as this troupe in. Silicon Valley where they go up to the roof and they just hang out and have lunch because they don't. Know. Why they promoted jaws to begin with and now he's GonNa. He's GonNa keep APP store he's going to keep the events because the events are going to be a challenge the next year it's still and jaws is going do all the marketing guests. So that's the second half of this announcement is that the very highly respected Greg Joswiak often called jaws. He. Was will now be senior vice president of worldwide marketing effectively taking Schiller's post. So Phil will continue. This is the quote from the apple press release continued to lead the APP store and Apple Events. Does that mean he's going to lead events or he's going I mean what does that mean? To remains to be seen. But another thing that should be pointed out is that other a google and other companies when we when we find when there's announcements about well, the the senior executive has decided that he wants to pursue lots and lots of additional goals until I in addition to is wonderful twenty or thirty year career, and so he's being elevated to a position that is kind of vague and undefined that often means that they lost. Their product launch. Failed and they're being knows out or there is another reason why they are. He's being offered a we want we can't you're you're too big for us to fire you. So let's just give you an opportunity to fade out gracefully. This is absolutely not that sort of thing. So basically it. Remains to be seen what it means but. I bet it means that he's still in the meetings. He's still part of the email list. He's still part of the slack. Channel As far as November has jaws is living is you have these amazing people like you? Cayenne grants who's just been promoted to vice president of iphone product marketing and where where do they go? They're all working at apple but they just don't have titles and Phil's been working there a long time he's got. He's got money forever and his family sometimes wants to spend more time with him and the money. How these things we'll see we'll just see my guess is he'll still have some stage time but how much operational role is another matters was mansfield right and we happen to Mansfield. Though because nobody could do Bob Mansfield job. Well. So are you saying that jaws will start an ill-conceived? Apple hot? Tub. The amount of aluminum expensive for anyone else to sign for definitely sign off on and then filled will come to come back and say you fix our outdoor party..
"phil schiller" Discussed on Daily Tech News Show
"You may see headlines about this. I'm going to mention it apple told the verge directly. There are no toxic present for apple to acquire tiktok and it has no plans to pursue such a deal. The statement came in response to axios report that sources outside of Apple had told axios that apple was interested Apple says, no, we're not. Microsoft announced it will launch project x cloud on September fifteenth on android Devices Project X clad will be bundled as part of the xbox game pass ultimate subscription that cost you fifteen bucks a month with more than one hundred games available on android tablets and phones apples. Phil Schiller is stepping down as marketing chief taking on the role of apple fellow he will remain in charge of the APP store and Apple, events, and continue to report to CEO Tim. Cook Greg. Joswiak. Jaaz will take over as VP of worldwide marketing for Apple. President of the United States withdrew his renomination of Republican FCC Commissioner Michael O'Reilly. Monday Riley had been submitted for renomination in March and was awaiting Senate approval. A Riley recently spoke out against efforts to limit protections offered to social media companies by section thirty safe harbour. The president has petitioned the FCC to reinterpret those protections O'Reilly clarified that his critiques are not directed at the president, but it doesn't look like he's going to be an FCC. Commissioner. Google is finally in the last stage of shutting down Google play music poor little out. Youtube Music is now the replacement you can move all your stuff over there. Last month Google enabled a really easy ability to Migrate Your Library from play music to Youtube. Later, this month Google will shut off music manager. The way you upload and download stuff and purchases streaming will shut down in October and then Google music and the APP and website will go away in October as well in December any music left in your account will be deleted. So if you want to use the Google data transfer service, you have until December to get it out that way. But after December, it's GonNa be just gone from your account. And twitter alerted investors that the Federal Trade Commission might find it up to two hundred and fifty million dollars for violation of a twenty eleven consent decree between twenty thirteen and two thousand nineteen twitter says an error caused it to target ads based on phone numbers and email addresses provided for safety and security purposes. The FTC is saying we don't care if it's an error I think we're going to find you anyway. All right..
Phil Schiller advances to Apple Fellow
"Super late breaking news here. Phil, Schiller is stepping down as apple senior vice president of worldwide marketing to be replaced by his deputy Greg Joswiak quoting CNBC, Schiller will continue to work at apple as an apple fellow the company said and will continue his role as the boss of Apple's APP store and company. Events Schiller will also continue to report to apple. CEO Tim. Cook Schiller has worked at apple since nineteen, eighty seven I'll keep. Working here, as long as they'll have me, I bleed six colors, but I also want to make some time in the years ahead for my family friends and a few personal projects I care deeply about Schiller said in a statement Schiller's departure from his formal role on Apple's leadership team comes following several other notable departures over the last couple of years including head of design Johnny. I've PR, boss Steve Dowling and retail boss Angela errands. But apple also made an addition to its exact team in that same time period with John John Andrea the head of artificial intelligence and quote.
Big tech CEOs testify before Congress
"So, this hearing just going to say it, it was six hours of chaos. So. So many things like individual moments of pure chaos happened this hearing. But because every member of Congress was only given five minutes to ask the questions in and they moved on, no one could process the moments of cash. So here are some things that happened during this hearing. Jeff. bezos just started eating nuts on his call. That was just a thing that you started snacking for the first ninety minutes. It appears that basis had tech issues was operating in some kind of delay. So we didn't hear from him. They just answer any questions and they'd take a ten minute break Jeff. bezos could fix his computer. Amazing. Jim Jordan, who McKenna pointed out. On the show last week is always sort of chaos element. Try to talk over several members of Congress got yelled to put his mass back on floated. Just elaborate conspiracy theories. was when I say was chaos I. Don't know if there's any other way to describe it. I. Think that led a lot of people to think the hearing itself didn't accomplish its goals, but I think in many ways it did. But Kennedy you WanNa Kinda go through what the committee was trying to accomplish the themes they were pointed at in. How hearing played out, right. So okay. First off. Harkening back to last week I mentioned Jim. Jordan's mountain dew obsession. Definitely drink a handful those throughout the hearing I took notes in screen shots. So, I, called it. But regardless of their pores soda choices, there were a lot of lawmakers who definitely did their homework and I think that was really apparent throughout the entire hearing and when I look at. The picture that they tried to paint I think that became really clear in chairman Sicily's opening statements. So this is the guy who liked. And spearheaded the entire investigation from the beginning, and in those opening statements, he pointed out that yeah Apple Amazon Google facebook. There are different in a lot of ways and they exhibit anticompetitive behaviors potentially allegedly and a lot of different ways. But what they tried to pull together and was a story, and it's really hard to tell a story and five minute fragments. But what happened yesterday was Sicily. Ni, and a lot of the Democrats on the Committee wanted to point out that these companies they become bottlenecks for distribution whether that's information or just like APP stores marketplace's they control what gets distributed in how what was really key to the investigation was how? How they survey competitors. If you have so much control dominance over a market or a specific part of the tech industry, you have a lot of insight into your competitors and you can do a lot of dangerous things with that, and then lastly, after that dominance has gained, it's how they abuse it. Right? How they abuse it to make harder for small businesses in competitors and I think that's exactly what Cellini pointed out in the beginning and I think they did a poor job that storytelling throughout the process. But I think that's also our job. Right is to pull that evidence together and tell that story for them in a way that isn't like. Yes, no yelling at CEOS and like stopping them and I think by getting that in the evidentiary record doing all this questioning, I think they really did achieve their goal in the end. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that happened sort of next to the hearing was that they released a bunch of documents from these one point, three, million documents of clutch. Over the past year, they released pretty targeted selection documents for every company showing some of this stuff, Casey, I wrote a story about. facebook. INSTAGRAM. My I'm going to frame this email or mark Zuckerberg. Literally one sentence, no period. The Andrew says I need to figure out. I'M GONNA buy instagram like I would love to just be in a place were sending that email like super casually like I got this thing to figure out and it's not like am I gonNa buy the model of the car. It's like instagram. I've been thinking of the text messages where so and so says that Mark Zuckerberg's didn't go destroy mode on instagram ever since they got that up. Case she this to Kevin and right that text was. Yes. Well, it was Kevin. System was talking to an investor and Kevin said to the investor. If we don't sell well, mark, go into destroy mode on us and the investor side probably. Of course, stray casual. So there's just a lot of documents and I think one of the functions of hearing was to get those documents into the official congressional record to make the CEO's account for them. That did not seem very successful to me. Is like a takeaway people should have from this hearing, right? No. I think a lot of people that go into these hearings are expecting like these big Gotcha moments and expecting like a lot of news and all this stuff. But it really, it wasn't oversight hearing. You know it wasn't. They didn't come. They came at this like in a report last earlier this week that they came out at as investigators. They didn't come at it to make a big show horse and pony show out of it, and yet I think the CEO's didn't. The record well enough to the extent that they could have. But there was definitely, I was expecting them to do a lot less evasion and I expected a lot less room probation with the documents, but it's just the process of a Congressional hearing. It's. It's hard to do that in a congressional hearing. But if you put those documents out there, you get the CEO's on the record a little bit who does excite this excites the FTC. J, and that's who can take this next and then it's also congress. You know they can't break up a tech company, but they can regulate going forward and it's those three key themes that I pointed out earlier that they could regulate. You know what I mean. They could legislate to forbid companies from surveying competitors and things like that, and that's where this goes. So the format of the hearing, every member and five minute chunks, it seemed very clear that the Democrats had some sort of coordinated evidentiary strategy, they would start and. And they would say, I, want to read this email to you. What did you mean by this email and then Jeff bezos would say something like I have. No idea is on works. I. Was real pattern that developed was basis really not doing or claiming he definitely knows claiming not really no way Wayne is under the thing they did or they would ask sooner Pichai about the very granular add deal google made by an ad product, and soon I, would say I'll get back to you, which is basically all responses. So the Democrats seemed like they were coordinated to move through their documents. The Republicans seem to be doing something else that also seem coordinated intentional, but what was their focus because that seemed clear split my takeaway from Jim Jordan who? We got into earlier, he he was interviewing. As if they were all Jack Dorsey. And as we talked about like, yeah, he invited Jack Dorsey to testify, but he doesn't sit on the antidote subcommittees. Anything. He says, it just doesn't matter. So it sounded to me as if he prepared questions Jack Dorsey and then it was like, oh, he's not coming I'll ask Tim Cook the same questions. Another completely crazy moment that happened just seen by and five minute chunks is that. Represented Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin Dear Sweet Wisconsin. Definitely. Asked Mark Zuckerberg why the Donald Junior was banned from twitter and mark. Zuckerberg was happening on twitter facebook and there was just like a moment of confused silence, and then he tried to move on and that just sort of floated by in the river of chaos to tell you how much chaos there was kneeling. When you started to tell that story, I thought you were going to tell the story about when Jim Jordan asked him cook if the famous one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, Apple Super Bowl, AD was actually about twenty twenty cancel culture, which is another thing that really happened. I think that's out of context. He didn't ask him. He said clearly, this is. That's definitely what Steve Jobs was thinking IBM is canceled culture and Apple's going to break it with hammer and Jeff. Bezos said that social media is a nuance destruction machine and all this crazy stuff from that. It was a wild will that that particular question when Jim Jordan asked, do you support the cancel culture mov, you could see the CEOS like. 'cause they went in order. He asks them all in order. So First Tim Cook just like basically muttered nothing. Here's like I don't. I support speech whatever. The iphone a keyboard like that was his answer. Sooner per child also, just like muttered, right? He's like Google has always supported free expression Zuckerberg like saw the opportunity and took it and the forces of liberalism I rising I, and then basis was like I cannot. I cannot do in like went for it, and that was just totally insane moment. But it also seems like the Republicans were intentional to try to create their own moments where they were yelling at CEOS about bias on platforms is obviously something cover a. At. You were paying a lot of attention that case you're paying a lot of attention to it. Do you think that was effective in creating because you know there's like a parallel conservative Universe Jim? Jordan was on Tucker. Carlson. Last night like was that effective or d think that the CEO's were able to sort of tamp down on interesting the Tucker Carlson pointed out that Google and other companies are all big donors to Jim Jordan another folks. So that is a weird side, but I think it was actually besides the moment where they mixed up twitter with facebook I. Think this was much more effective off. Off Topic yelling about technology than we usually see like are genuinely issues that like they are upset about that, they could point to largely around like cove nineteen misinformation and they could at least like pick those topics and stick to them rather than kind of asking vague questions about like, why is my phone listening to me? Well, they're definitely asked questions about why are my campaign emails getting filtered by G mail? Yes. I should. I should mention that they have really and they have all of these cases where they ask about extremely specific one off incidents that anyone who has used social media knows happens constantly. And, then turn them into a sinister pattern. But I think they managed to come off as sounding more like they understood what they were talking about the unusual. I think that was a real theme of the hearing, Casey. What did you think of this sort of bias side show that occurred? Well, I mean the the idea that conservative voices are being suppressed is foundational to the conservative movement and is behind the rise of conservative talk radio. It was behind the rise of Fox News. Now that social media exists, we have seen it in this new form, but it is sort of being presented as extra, sinister and worthy of. Some sort of legislative intervention what frustrates me about it is that much more than newspapers or or cable news like Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey. These people benefit hugely from having all possible voices on their platform. None of them is incentivized to drive conservatives off their platform. What they are incentivized to do is have rules that make the place safe and welcoming. So that people want to hang out there and so to the extent that there are issues on the platform, they've largely come because these platforms have rules. And you know you would think that a bunch of free marketeers would realize that the alternative to the system that they're so mad about would be creating a new system, but they don't seem at all interested in doing that. So I just sort of dismissed all of them as charlatans I actually thought it was interesting that the opposite track came up, which was the Stop Hey for profit campaign I kind of wasn't expecting that. The representative Raskin I believe asked facebook. Basically, why aren't you kicking more hate speech off. I forget who else asked like look is the point that you're so big. You don't care about advertiser boycotts I. Mean, you know it will here. Here is a fact that the number one complaint that facebook gets from its users, the thing that users. About. FACEBOOK is that it removes too much content and so if you're running the place, you do have to take these complaints seriously in a way. Right? It might not be you know that you shadow band conservative whatever that even means on social network in twenty twenty. But the fact that you're removing content is really upsetting people. So you can't dismiss that idea entirely, but I still don't feel like we're having that intellectually honest conversation about it. So this was definitely I feel like you can connect the you control distribution. We're GONNA show the abuses of power narrative. We got other. Democrats. With the you control distribution. You're banning conservatives right like I. Think what's Sensenbrenner Again, cups and conservatives are consumers to is that people don't realize that like fifty percent of the population in many ways. But facebook has like famous conservatives working its highest levels Kevin. We last week, we're talking about Kevin Roose keeps sharing the list. List of the most engaged content from crowd tangle. It's all conservative content, and that's so problematic for facebook that they're. They're pushing back with other metrics and graphs of their own, making the facts just aren't there, but it doesn't seem to be convincing. Brett Kevin is being asked to recuse himself from facebook case because he's like best friends with facebook I, AP I wrote a column almost two years ago. Now, arguing that conservatives were trying to redefine. Any conservative identified person having any unwanted outcome on a social network, right? So bias is your name was higher than mine in search results. Bias is used suggested that I follow a Democrat and not a Republican right, and if you take action on your policies that apply to everyone against me a conservative that is biased against conservatives, right. So and by the way I have to say this has been hugely successful because we've talked about it. How many minutes now and the longer that these discussions. Discussions. Go on. They just sort of refi people's minds. The idea that there really is a vast conspiracy to silence conservative speech because he's networks are so big millions of conservatives are having experiences like this every day, and now there is an ideology that is basically a religion for them to attach to, which is although Silicon Valley liberals are out to get. Reason I wanted to talk about the conservative side show, which in many ways was a circus is it feels like the notion that we should be punitive to the companies or mad at the company's. Bipartisan, right we were. We were not looking at a hearing where the Democrats were on the attack. Republicans are saying we love. Apple. We're looking at hearing where they were. Everyone was mad. There are a couple of exceptions to that. There were a couple of I think sensenbrenner and a few other folks were like look we want to be clear. Big is not bad. We just WANNA make sure we're not punishing you for your success, but you were like almost entirely, right? Yeah. I. Mean I. think that's it's important to. To capture that mood like Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg, Tim, Cook soon. Darpa, try they usually get to finish whatever sentence they start saying. Right. They're not used to being interrupted. Their thoughts are usually like you know they get to live in complete sentences and people take them seriously here in five in intervals, they were interrupted almost every time they started speaking to be told that they were wrong that they were filibuster at one point Sicily said stop thinking is for the questions. We can just assume they're all good questions. They. Were getting yelled at and they're going yell that about a variety of things that were pretty specific. So you kind of in your kind of structure here. The first one was controlling distribution. What did you hear as a hearing went on the indicated to that? The committee had a case here? I think the apple's APP store is one thing you know charging thirty percent cuts on certain things is just controlling an APP store. It's the same thing with Amazon's marketplace. They can inherently in control what gets placed and what gets sold and you know if they want to play with search results on Amazon, they can do that, and then on facebook and Google, it's not just like products and software that's information. And it could be information when it's like Google. Google. Stealing yelps, texture views right in putting those in its little info boxes in search queries in facebook if facebook is just like an. Mation, distribution platform and. It can decide Algorithm Mickley. Knowingly. What people get to see this bution was very keen to the committee's hearing yesterday and they pointed out different aspects in which you know each company exhibited that kind of behavior. So the one that will you bring up apple? We wrote about this, say there's much emails. Apples document production is just one hundred and thirty pages of unrelated emails and whatever order see it's like scan through it. So there's a lot of little stories in there. There's one about right to repair and apple realizing it needed to repair. By watching PR people operate by reading their emails journalists. Very entertaining. They're like we had a break like here's our strategy. Here's we're GONNA. That's all in there. You can look at it, but there's a lot about the APP store itself and how they're going to use the mechanics of the APP store to control their platform, and it started at the beginning like the first emails in this production from twenty, ten there. From Phil, Schiller Steve Jobs saying, are we GONNA? Let Amazon Sell Books in the kindle store. Store, it felt like I saw an Amazon ad was hard to watch this hard to watch this ad where a person's reading a book on an iphone in the kindle APP in the pick up an android phone keep reading. He's like literally like it was hard to watch like Schiller's at home like pain what a customer is having an experience that good it really just. Heart and so he's like it was hard to watch. You fours Steve Jobs. They're like we gotta shut it down jobs is the bookstore will be the only bookstore on the APP. Store. That's the way it's going to be everyone's gotta used to it. We know that restricting payments will hurt other things, but that's what we're doing and they started there in two thousand ten and they pulled it out, and then that ladders up into everything that we've seen with, hey, ladders up into the analysis group showing up to. Apple, can pay them to say that there's independent study has revealed. Everybody has a thirty percent cut. It has landed up into Tim Cook, forwarding. He gets a letters from developers that are in this direction. It's like apples breaking my heart and he just like Ford's it. Tim, Cook forwards that email to filter credit eighty, just as thoughts like amazing like they are constantly thinking about the APP store as a mechanism of control for the platform in the leverage and other deals. So the other one was apple is this Amazon one which I have very mixed feelings on saying that this is bad or legal I'm curious for all of your thoughts famously. Did, not have the prime video APP on the Apple TV and all these other places apple, Amazon came to a deal. There's an entire presentation in this production like the slide deck of how the deal is going to work. Apple got to be the preferred seller of its own product. So third parties cancel. Apple. Products, Amazon pages, they got. They have a custom by flow. They've custom product pages, all the stuff in return. Amazon got a lower commission on the APP store and gets to Selatan products which no. No like you can rent a movie from the Amazon APP on the Apple TV, no one else gets to it in one world. This is just pure platform collision, right? Apple cut VIP deal for big companies because it wanted something and you could say this is legal in another world. It's like this is how deals work apple something valuable. Amazon s something valuable and they came to a conclusion wherever made more money and quite frankly the consumer experience platform has got better. How do you read that? Casey? That is good and fair analysis of it. I. Think I did read slightly more scandalous. Tones into it in part because apple would never acknowledge that some developers are more important to it than others even though if you assume that that's true, I think maybe one of the things that's frustrating about it is there is no transparency accountability around which developers get sweetheart deals is that once you hit a certain threshold of revenue will cut your price. Why couldn't they extend that deal to everyone right? Or is it just if we withhold something that seems particularly valuable, we can eventually drag you to the table. Table, which is sort of what seems like happened here. I think in all cases, what I'm always looking for is the accountability, right like and some sense of of equitable treatment of developers and I understand the guys are always going to get the best treatment, but it can that be publicly visible. Can it be acknowledged and there'd be routes for others to achieve that same level of success and treatment, and that I'll just seems missing here. Did you buy Tim Co? He said it twice. It was obviously A. Glimmer, of sympathy for all four CEOS. There is a lot of reporting that they had spent months preparing for this hearing like being grilled there, they'd hire outside law firms. They. Practiced they all clearly had soundbites memorized in none of them. Got To say him because it kept getting interrupted. Tim Cook had this one where he is like if we're the gatekeepers, the gates are open wider than ever. We've gone from five hundred. APPS to one point seven, he said like. A whole speech. and. The thing is there's fierce competition for developers. They don't like our store can do for android the windows. For xbox and PS. Four. Which I was like the idea that adobe is going to be like we don't want to be on the IPAD. Here's PS. Four Photoshop is insanity to me. I'm going to build a spreadsheet. APP. For the five. That's how frustrated with Tim Cook. To that ring. True to you I. Mean, there's no, it does not ring true. There is a, there is a duopoly. In the United States when it comes to smartphones, iphones have majority share in the United States and you can't say, well, you know there's there's a rogue fork of android in Malaysia that you could go develop for if you really wanted to and have that come across as a credible argument to Americans. Right it is. Natural for any monopolist to spend most of its time, arguing that it is much smaller and much less consequential as as you think it is and they're essentially always asking you to ignore what is in front of your face, which is that they are the giant. They are in control. What they say goes, and it doesn't matter which small businesses get hurt along the. The. Way I would point out that the contact and we're gonNA talk about earnings eventually. But the context for that is apple had its biggest third quarter ever this month, their revenues went up eleven percent year over year, they're making obviously making billions of dollars in their services revenue, which is a lot of the narrative around the APP stores increasing that services line. Also went up. I think it was thirteen billion. So you're right. They're very big in their earnings the day after the hearing did nothing. To reduce that impression. I want to switch to Amazon a little bit McKenna. You really focused Amazon was basis first time up there. They came at him a lot about marketplace. How did you think that went I think it went pretty good. I. Think. John Paul specifically was just like killer her questions with breakout star. Yeah. She was just like killer and she's the representative for. SEATTLE. So this is where Amazon is right. So she just like killed it and. And I think there were a couple of instances in the documents and in questioning yesterday that really pulled important things out there was like testimony from one bookseller who was like, yeah. We just can't sell a category of books and we don't know why Amazon doesn't let us do that just like testimony like that or even when it comes to like acquisitions, the ring acquisition especially, I wrote about that today through the documents and how. They said, this is for market position. This is a for technology, your talent or anything. We just bought this and that's something that base said again, yesterday he was just very clear. It's like, yeah, we do buy things market position, which is like so insane just here like the richest person in the world. But like, yeah, we're buying market position. It's just what happens. That's another one I have mixed feelings right, and by the way, people should read McKenna story because those documents have just a very funny breakdown like the pros and cons of buying. Buying ring in many of the cons like what if this turns into nest, which if you're just the verge cast listeners like it's just like the Keyword Bingo, but it's fine to say, we're buying market position like this isn't the best product out there, but it's the category of video. doorbells is not huge, right? So to by the the market leader in video doorbells is maybe the most rational use of the money. What is the problem that you think the committee was trying to show an address sense of we're just going to market position. Pointing out, they can just do whatever they want and how casual it is, and there really isn't. It's really funny to read an email like that, and we could buy it or we could just copy it or are. We could just watch. You know that was one of the emails that base from someone. Those are just three options you know and it's like just pick and choose you know. Pointed out like a lot. Just that email itself really pointed out just how easy it is for them. They used a lot of that time history to talk about copycat behaviors and to talk about just like you know buying up competitors and it just seeing that all in one little e mail having to do with the ring was like really i. think it was really kind of I opening and especially like useful for the committee. So Amazon got hit a lot for the data collection side of it of copying competitors. bezos did not seem to have great answers there. Right. So that's the. The thing they got in trouble with this. There is that Wall Street. Journal article from like April where employees were literally like, yeah. We dip into data and we use that to guide our own private label products and everybody was like Whoa and Amazon basins. Yesterday said, well, we do have a policy that bans that but giant pointed out yesterday. It's like, okay. So what's your enforcement look like you can have the policy, but like if you don't enforce it, then it's like meaningless. And then yesterday I. Think Paul was like, can you give me a yes or no answer? Do you dip into data and he's like I can't I can't give you. Yes or no, and we're just like we're looking into it. The story had anonymous sources. So that isn't very helpful to us. You know what I mean. So that was one of the main things and that Wall Street Journal article and I think it's the same kind of examples in the committee's documents. They point out specific examples like car trunk, organizers of all things. It's like weird little products like Amazon's like this is a little hot. Maybe we should do that. So I, I think. I, think they made a good case yesterday. Yesterday on that. Yeah. I mean bezos brought up that Wall Street Journal, Article himself twice, and he was like, well, your policy against it. But I can't guarantee never happened. Then there is a strange just didn't come across clear I. Think I know what the committee was trying to get at their like US aggregate seller data when there's only three sellers and then only to sellers? Yes, I. Think what they're getting at is when you're down to the aggregate data of two companies, you heard effectively looking at individual data. What is the problem? They're like the I get what you're doing. You're just reducing the denominator to get to one, but like it, why is that particular problem? Right? Well, none of these. Dipping into individual seller data and looking at aggregate data. That's not a legal. There is no law. This is all voluntary of Amazon. So they have a voluntary policy where like we can't do individual seller data, but they say nothing against aggregate and aggregate what you're getting at eight. Here you is. Does the same thing if it's just like some goofy little product they. They bring up pop stock. It's all the time before pop tops in a moment. Right? There's only like one pop. So company like you know pop soggy, it was kind of an innovative product. It's like well, if there's only two of them and use the aggregate data, you you you have everything you need to know you know about that product line looking aggregate. If that's what you decide to qualify as do you as you're looking through the other Amazon documents and other stuff. So anything jump out at you is something the committee was trying to prove or get at. The questioning seemed very focused on. Like are you using the state at a copy products? Are you buying things? You shouldn't buy. There's one question which I did not understand why came up about DMC. Take downs on twitch and Jeff as just had this look of panic in his eyes. He's like I don't know man I bought Wedge because my kids want to. Do something like that was like the side show stuff, but the real focus here, it just seemed like it was definitely in the marketplace, right? Amazon, everyone came at Amazon for the marketplace. That's what everybody knows him as like they have all these little sides. They got rain. They got Alexa Alexa was one thing too. That was kind of interesting. It's like. Are you buying things like ring to put Alexa into and dislike expand your like Titan Ism as like an Internet Internet connected home. Thing and make that more closed off and walled gardening. That was one thing. But no, it was just focusing on how much power they have to kind of change. What happens in the marketplace to kind of decide what companies in what products are able to come up on the first page of results. You know that's also something that they dug into Google and in something that one of those like themes that kind of ties everything together. We should say they all spend a lot of time talking about counterfeit goods, and why is it Amazon removed? Fake stuff from the platform and how much is it profiting off of you know selling pick rolexes? Is it surprising? The whole foods didn't show up at all they're. Like that is a really massive thing. Amazon owns that. Is it moving into a huge new product category? I think whole foods is not an online marketplace, which was the title of the hearing, not that that restricted anybody from doing anything except that, one of the things Amazon says is we have lots of competition from offline marketplaces, right? Brought up kroger a lot I mean, this is the case he's point. They all made. It seem like they were beset at any moment. They could be crushed by the likes of stop and Shop Right? Like I think the point though was really on the. Digital. Experience Consumers have and like I, don't know Ho-. Foods fits. Into that narrative, especially, because it is itself not dominant like they bought it because you needed to grow in their. Good at that at my question for you on the Amazon stuff was when you think about, we talk about two thirty a lot right like you and I in particular spent a lot time to thirty, which regulates with the platform can do with content. There's not really an equivalent of two thirty for goods on store. Right like there's some case is out there saying like you're liable for what what happens on your online store page, but Amazon doesn't have that like second order of like Messi nece around it that twitter and facebook to with two thirty, I. Mean, it gets invoked a lot for marketplace's, but it's way messier. Well, I just wanted to like this question at counterfeits question about ranking the store like they are even more free than any twitter is to to sort tweets algorithm. Algorithm clear to modern like it just their store. Do you think that they're like that Algorithm transparency? Your wire things ranked. Did you catch a sense that that's where the regulation is GonNa go. So much of the conversation around Amazon really felt like it was individuals sellers being wronged for reasons of Amazon being unresponsive or stealing. It's data. So I don't know it didn't. It didn't seem like a really big focus of the hearing, but it is a huge deal. Yeah. The, digital marketplace frame of this, which is where we have talked to. Cellini. That's where he's going right like facebook and Google very digital. They have like they don't do physical goods. Really. Apple is the APP store. It's all digital goods. Amazon is the one where it's. Front to a lot of physical things, and that is the only place where I can see this regulation needing to make some sort of like major meaningful distinction in I. Didn't see it in the hearing, but I was curious of you caught a glimmer of it. I'm not positive that they have to make a huge distinction there like depending on what they come up with because. So much of this is about their companies and whatever product they produced. The issue is more or less whether or not they're being surveilled and unfairly by targeted and crushed by that data surveillance. All right. We have gone for forty minutes. We should take a quick break. I said I wasn't going to go by company and it happens. So we should come back and talk with facebook Ango. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. When I say utopia what comes to mind. Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the perfect social body. Every Body Matt Place. Everybody happy now while the peacock original series, brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. A concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. I introduced the theory five hundred years ago. 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Yeah. But you said something to me yesterday was interesting, which is everyone else's problems are forward looking and it feels like facebook's problems are actually in the past break for people explain what you mean. Yeah. So when Congress is looking at any trust with respect to these four companies for three of them, it's It's sort of about the marketplaces that their operating right now with facebook, the question is much more about should we have allowed it to buy serum? Should we have allowed it to buy WHATSAPP and most of the antitrust conversation that was around facebook yesterday was all about that. What did Mark Zuckerberg know about Instagram, and when did he know it? We wrote a story based on some documents that the house released yesterday. In which facebook has clearly identified instagram as a competitor. In at least some ways and wants to go after it and knock it off the table, and so that's kind of where the focuses their facebook and Burke did get a lot of other questions yesterday, but it tended to be much more about content moderation and things that don't have a lot to do with antitrust. So there was weird section where they asked the face. Face Research APP in the novel, Vpn? Any kind of got lost well, explain what happened and I'm curious reactions. Yeah. So facebook has a bunch of nifty tech tools to figure out what's trending which APPs or the kids using, and so that can essentially have an early warning system if it needs to consider acquiring something or more likely in these days, go out clone it. and. So Zuckerberg was asked about the way that the company uses these systems and if they are anti competitive I, think you know traditional antitrust law probably would not say copying an APP feature is anti competitive, but could lobby written in the future about it shirt I. Think the one that caught me was I mean, this is what I'm. McKenna's points from earlier is like one of the themes here is, are you so dominant that you can collect data that's unfair and then use that to crush or killer competitors, and definitely bought the Inaba VPN to do it. That's true. Now, when I've asked executives at facebook about this, what they'll say is they don't get surprised anymore. When you have three point, one billion people using your apps around the world. You know what links they're sharing, you know what they're talking about. And so you're not going to need some kind of specialized tool to know that WHATSAPP is really taking off. Right. So they would argue that, yes, these tools were useful to them, but you know at their scale, they know what's popular now, which doesn't really seem like addresses, the problem is reached. The fact that we're so big that we're all knowing is maybe not the defense that they sometimes presented as so here's what I didn't get. I thought, Zuckerberg I want to the instagram. What's about who's issues, but on the facebook research front, the data front, they him about this APP facebook research, which you were giving to teens. They were deploying with an enterprise certificate that story broke apple revoke the certificate, and all of facebook's internal APPs went dark, and this is a scandal story after story about it, they went on for two days. So I can I, don't recall that APP? Just how he you know, he remembers the day that all facebook's internal APPS went down and people couldn't go to the cafeteria. I would agree I found that answer. Extremely, ed? Persuasive. that. Do you think that was like actually strategic for him to be like, I, don't know and then come back later and correct the record I do remember when that happened I. Mean. I really don't know I mean also you know during a six hour hearing, it's also possible that you just you get flustered or you miss here something or or something because. Yeah. As as you say, I'm sure he remembers the day that apple turned off their internal APPS I mean. Honestly. Seems like an opportunity to talk about apple's market power, and the fact that you know a day of work canceled at facebook because apple got mad. But I think most of the CEO's didn't go into yesterday a wanted to pick fights with each other. It was kind of sad that they didn't. I was Kinda hoping that Tim Cook take a shot at soccer burger. Point that the other two APP platforms I was expecting it. It was there. It was. There was all there. So cellini ended and he ended the whole meeting with closing statement. He said, some of these companies didn't get broken out. They all need to get regulated in the off too much power that some of them I. don't these breaking up apple. What sort of break. Right like. The division get sent into the corner thing about what it's done. Right. Does should spin out the finder team I've always wanted to. A clean is always that they want to. They want the APP store to be separate from the IPHONE. Basically, that's the thing I always hear. Can't break I. Think you can write some strong regulations but not playing you're on store, right. But like Elizabeth Warren's point was it's cleaner if it's two companies, but it's still a gigantic remedy that I don't think there's a lot of like like consumer or public opinion is going to walk into an Apple Cup I think you'll radio at marketplace. It seems very clear that we says some of them she broken up he is talking about facebook. I have a twenty percent conference level. He might be talking with Google and Youtube as well. But if he's going to say some of the need to get broken up like it's facebook, did you hear anything yesterday that supported that conclusion or Saudi stocks I? MEAN HE I don't remember which Republican it was, but he was like the Obama FTC looked at this and they said it was minding love. Obama. Right. Like. Why would we go back in time to relook at I? Mean, there is a belief and I mean. Somebody who thinks there could be a lot of benefit in instagram and WHATSAPP being different companies from facebook. And the reason you ask. So many questions about that acquisition as you're making the case that it never should have been approved in the first place, and so now you need to remedy it. So that was actually like the entire thrust of the argument against facebook yesterday. I think, you could probably make just as good a case that Amazon after spin out aws, but lawmakers chose not to make that case. Yeah. I think that also gets into. Politics of the acquisition of the time. To his credit is like nobody knew instagram would actually be a success like we made it a success. It didn't happen by itself. I, don't know if the lawmakers. By award, these guys said, but I don't know that he actually made that case very persuasively. and. Who knows I mean? That's like anything could have happened. Right? Cram could've stayed independent and rapidly grown and overtaken facebook like that's something that could have happened. It could have kind settled into a middle zone like snapchat or twitter seems more likely to me although I think probably would have been bigger than those two but. You're never going to know I mean it is true that facebook gave Mike and Kevin it instagram enormous resources. A lot of the reasons why Mike and Kevin sold was because running tiny startup that's blowing up is absolutely exhausting Mike. Krieger. was dragging his laptop all around San. Francisco. Because the servers were melting at all times of the day whenever Justin Bieber. Posted like the site stopped working and they really we need help. Finding a person who can quickly fix this? So we don't have to like that is the reason that they were entertaining these offers and wanted to sell it. So that is also thing that happened. Do you think that that same kind of argument or approach can apply to what's up? What's up basically did not come up yesterday and all the focus on Instagram, but that's the other one, right? Yeah, and we know weirdly a lot less about that acquisition I. Think it's because people in America just have so much less love for what's APP generally. That, it's never seemed as important. What happened to WHATSAPP as what happens to instagram even though WHATSAPP, is used, you know way more, it probably has way more engagement even than instagram does so I don't know why that didn't come up as often. We know there was a competitive bidding war for that as well. Goule. Wanted it as well. You know Mark Zuckerberg made them an offer, they can't refuse. Do you think everyday Google's we should've spent more money on what's whatsapp like this could have been solved. Should have, but Google has been placed under an ancient curse that prevents them from ever making the right decision about any social product. So it was doomed never to happen. It's fun looking through the documents and watching them casually say they should buy facebook dot com. Yeah, that. Point. That is how they talk like the window into these executives just casually being like we should just this thing or maybe not, or we should just copied ourselves and kill it before it gets any traction like it's repeated over and over again last facebook question. This one is like harder to parse because I. There's a chance, it's October is just joking around but. But. He's in many of these emails. He's like the thing about startups, as you can always buy them, which I think the committee thinks is a smoking gun, right? Like facebook's entire plan is to buy the competition to get the data from wherever they get it to say, oh, man, this apps popping, we just buy it and kill it before it competes with us. I. Think he actually said at one point. That's a joke. Yes, he did and I believe that you know it was two thousand, twelve, right? He was probably still in his mid twenties. At that point, the company was a lot smaller like people were joking around like there's more loose talk when companies are younger and I do think. It was it was part of that. I think the more interesting question becomes. Let's say facebook is telling the truth about everything. Let's say they thought it was going to be a successful acquisition, but they never knew it was gonna big as it became today and they invested in it and it got super big. Okay. Well, now, it's as big as it is. Should they be allowed to keep? Keep it or should they be forced to spend it out and if you're GONNA force them to spin it out. What's the argument that you'RE GONNA. Make about why one question that I have a lot is clearly the referral they're gonNa make, and it seems like if you don't have some other reason, we've heard hints that there's some other reason, the FTC scrutinize this that will eventually be revealed. But what you're saying is the antitrust standard at the time, the Consumer Hartman stand, which is still our standard. Says, you have to prove prices will go up both products for free. You're screwed. Right? There's nothing to review because you're not gonNA prove prove that free products are gonNA get more expensive. I think it's pretty unfair if you change the standard and you go back in time and say you missed that standard. So I think there has to be something else there. Well, what was the standard by which at and T. was broken up? Right? Like presumably at and T. didn't used to be that big, and then it just got really big and then they broke it up at least. That's the thumbnail understanding I have of that break-up. Well, yeah. But then reformed itself. Right. But because of lax antitrust regulation, right? Like it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomenon that all those APPS got back to the other or was that just sort of like inattention to capitalism It's like in the seventies and eighties. This is Tim moves book the cursive bigness in the seventies and eighties Robert Bork I can't talk about Robert on this podcast. Are we doing this right now. Robert was very influential judge Appellate Judge Federal Appellate? Judge. And basically moved the antitrust law to the consumer harm standard as part of a movement called and economics. A whole thing Robert. Bork. Mostly famous because he was not appointed. He was nominated Supreme Court by Reagan but they leaked video tape rental history, and then he didn't get nominated and that is where the expression getting bork's comes from. This is all true Netflix's still has to abide by videotape data privacy act is a whole. This is all true when facebook and Netflix had some partners, Nansen? Partnership. To. Automatically share your net flicks, watch history to facebook. They're like pending the change of this law which we are working on Robert Bork. He haunts us all. I'm sorry, I can't believe this much. Yeah I. think that's just like the law changed in the in the seventies and eighties, the standard change. The conversation right now is a very much about changing it back months and months ago, pre pandemic, we had an economist from I. Think it was Nyu Thomas Philippon came on the show, and he was like look you have this natural ab test going on in the world where the European Union when it formed was like, how do we get an economy like America's? So, we'll just take their competition policies pretty good, and at the same time we changed consumer harm standard. So everything you're seeing the EU is basically our old competition antitrust standard in. You can see how active they are in everything. Here's a new consumer welfare standard. Whether you believe, this is actually a functional Ab test given. The state of both governments is up for debate, but that was his point I thought. It was spare can say.
Organizations pen letter to Apple calling on an end to censorship in China
"You think now's a good time to bug apple about authoritarian policies in China the coalition of civil political and human rights groups seem to think it's as good a time as any. That's how I more describes the group of groups that's written the apple urging the company to stop enabling censorship and surveillance in China writing directly to apple senior VP a worldwide marketing Phil Schiller groups such as Tibet Action Institute. Free Tibet keep Taiwan free and some of US say we are writing to express our serious concerns over. Apple's confirmed removal of applications from the IOS APPS store in China including one thousand plus be peons and news apps like the New York Times and quartz as well as the transfer of apple users. I cloud data to a Chinese state run telecom company. Many of our organizations have submitted letters to CEO. Tim Cook Raising. These concerns. Have yet to receive any response given that apple's removal of VPN's and news APPs sets a blatant an unethical double standard for the Chinese APP store. We are now bringing our serious concerns directly to you. The head of the APP store pointing out. That apple has said that privacy is a fundamental human right. The letter goes on to say in reality. Apple's actions demonstrate that privacy is only a right for certain people since apple removed. Vpn's from the APP store. I O s users in China have been left unable to easily protect their internet. Communications from pervasive surveillance. Apples closed APP store ecosystem forces users who want to install band applications to jailbreak their devices and give up the security measures that make apple devices unique. Additionally since relocating China's Apple II cloud data the mainland China apple is further ensured that hundreds of millions of people are forced to choose between allowing their data to be obtained without effective due process or forgoing the online storage and backup measures. Your company has diligently developed. The group knows that apple is doing what it's required to do by authorities in China. Still they'd like a bit more clarity on that and for apple to maybe give a little pushback when it can. When removing OB- studio alleged violations of local law the group asked that apple one pressure governments to be specific transparent and consistent in their requirements to provide APP developers and the general public with written documentation of the specific law violated and three specified the Authority calling for the APPS removal. They've also asked for a meeting. Schoeller to discuss matters further
State of the iPad
"The IPAD. This is one of the shows when we put that on the list. I was thinking this is one that is going to be an emotional journey for me because I am a particular fan of the IPAD and it has taken me ups and downs. It's been a very emotional apple product for me But I thought before we got into the details of worthy IPAD is today. I thought it'd be fun to spend a little bit of time. Just kind of talking about how the IPAD came to be and kind of the genesis of the product. I think that helps inform what has happened in. Maybe where it's going and the The the story is I mean the the Walter Isaacson Steve Jobs biography. There's a lot of people that have a lot of problems with that book. But he does a good job documenting some of the apple products and how they came to be one of the interesting stories. He tells them the book is how seems wife? Convinced him to go to dinner with somebody from Microsoft and the guy couldn't stop blathering on about the windows tablet system and Steve got so mad that he went back to apple said. Okay then we can make one to and You know I'm kind of summarizing but that that's really we're apples started thinking about the touch operating system and the very first iphone was not an iphone. It was an IPAD. Even though it probably didn't have that name at the time it was you know what if we had a small screen not iphone screen but like an ipad size screen and we put a touch operating system on it and they started playing with that and very quickly realized that no way to second? This technology is good enough. We could make a phone out of it. They they kind of abandoned or put on the shelf. The tablet plans and went all in on the product. That eventually became the iphone So the the IPAD started before the iphone but didn't get finished until after they kind of got the iphone into the market and was an established product. But from the outside. I can tell you I was very excited about apple making a tablet for very long time. It had been rumored for ever just like the phone hat right if you go back to two thousand five or so people talking about apple's going to do a phone is going to be based on the IPOD and of course they're remorse with click wheel. Yeah boo-boy and there were a lot of rumors about the tablet as well and there were during that time frame. That guy talked about and wrote about wanting it to run MAC software and clear in hindsight. That wasn't where they were ever going to go and didn't make much sense. But the the iphone kind of laying the the way for the IPAD. I think apple did things in the right order. I remember multiple trips for some reason. There's one bridge on the The freeway to the Orange County airport and I would fly up there for macworld every year and for some reason I drive onto that bridge every time and think about is this year. We're going to get the tablet and to this day. I still think about the IPAD traffic bridge. Now your brain makes these connections but and there were all these ways. The thing about like you said is going to be like a Mac that would make sense because a lot of the original windows tablets were windows computers and they had fans and they had they were big and they ran windows computing platform with a pin. So naturally you would think apple would go that direction but as the iphone took root and became bigger. I think a lot a lot of folks thought. Well you know a touch interface. Kind of big iphone is what they're going to do but are they going to do and nobody knew how big the screen size was gonna be. Nobody knew how much they're going to. You know. Keep it just like the iphone versus stray from the IPHONE. Give it a separate operating system and all this stuff was hypothetic- hypothetical and It was great kind of fun figuring out what it would be and speculating about it. Just you know one of the fun things about liking apple stuff sometimes is trying to figure out you know like now. We're talking about what these glasses going to be like. It was the same thing but I think it was more fun. Talking about. The tablet is a tablet. Is something that a lot of people actually wanted. I'm not sure the glasses are is going to be as popular so we had all these thoughts and and I remember one of the thoughts. We thought about was price. If there was a lot of rumors I think including in the Wall Street Journal that this was going to cost nine ninety nine and at the time that you could get a Mac book for I think eleven or twelve ninety nine so phallic yeah. This'll be a little bit less than a laptop and I think I think a lot of people going into the event really thought nine was gonna be it I would. I would have expected that to be the price you know. In in hindsight that was half the price. That was one of the big deal. I mean one of the biggest announcements of the IPAD was the price point. It was four ninety nine. Yeah there's this great bit in the keynote and I'm GonNa put in the notes. I recently rewatch the IPAD. Keynote into like a commentary. Track if you haven't seen that on my youtube channel it'll be available for you and there's this great line that we wanna make our best technology available for everybody and bigger wrong for nine still a lot of money for a lot of people but it is way more attainable. The nine ninety nine and it really made the. I've had seemed like something that anyone could attain for not that much money compared to a laptop which is really cool. I guess I love to technology when it's new. Come come out where you know price. It's pretty accessible. I remember someone telling me that was at the event that at the time they said. How can apple make this for four ninety nine four ninety nine? And how can they sell this and make money off of it and the apple executives appointed Tim Cook in the audience and said because of that guy that's whites for ninety nine and so that was like one of the first time Tim Cook became real prevalent to mind for me in terms of his relationship to what he's doing for apple so it is an interesting product. The other thing that's interesting about the four nine thousand nine price was a lot of us going in wanted more from the IPAD than a big iphone. I mean I did. I mean you wanted a Mac right. You wanted to run keyboard master on your IPAD so That I think that was a fair position. I mean obviously it's not the direction they went what they did was they made a big iphone or maybe even more apt a big ipod touch and it really had the same icon grid. It did not stray the answer the question earlier the original ipad did not stray at all very far from the iphone And I think that four ninety nine price for a lot of us myself included kind of distracted me from the fact that it wasn't as powerful as I would have liked it to have been. There is clear may even to this day right. There's clear. Dna shared between the IPHONE and IPAD in his early days. Yes the interface was redone. They talk a lot about that. And that keynote we went into all of our APPS and crater these new you is to take advantage of the nine point seven screen but the IPAD didn't do anything markedly different than what the iphone could do as terms of functionality. It kind of was a big phone that that changed over time. I think that's pretty different now. But in those early days that was criticism that was often hurled at the IPAD. And it wasn't completely unfounded. However apple did realize that we've got a bigger screen. So what can we do with it? And they spent a significant portion of the the product announcement keynote talking about productivity up specifically. All the I work apps came over and interesting ways I mean I. I would argue to this day. Some of the design paradigm they brought to the IPAD with those original are better than a lot of the third party. Apps to this day in terms of trying to adopt it as will would if we put a spreadsheet on a tablet. You know what would different what would be different. How would we change the input mechanism etcetera? And so so they did try to answer the question with the launch. But you know I I in insight. There was a long ways to go in that introduction Phil Schiller calls numbers the spreadsheet. That's cool and fun to use thing. Okay Okay Phil Schiller but I think it was important that they started with I work. I live came with the IPAD two year later. They were building the case. You can do work on. This is going to good for email and web browsing and looking at your photos but if you need to write a document or you need to work on a presentation which. I still think he didn't on the IPAD is. It's so much fun to use as much fun to put sides together that way they were building. That story at the IPAD was a creation
Apple redesigned the MacBook keyboard
"The Daily Chart Wednesday November thirteenth. I'm rugged chain and I'm Scott Stein. Today's talking back book keyboards. Apple's yet another another proud up. Its sleeve announcing a sixteen inch macbook pro the notebook which starts at twenty three ninety nine actually replaces the fifteen inch version and most notably it comes with a redesigned keyboard or using scissors switches. which apple is hoping? We'll address the criticism. It God for. It's more shallow butterflies which is Scott before we get down to the macbook pro sixteen. Let's breakdown this whole controversy. What why is everyone talking about these keyboards yet? I've got the macbook Pro Sixteen right here. apple introduced butterflies which is with the twelve inch Mac Book and and these keys which were flatter meant to compress that the the key travel to fit into thinner laptops and supposedly be more reliable and better had a totally different feel that. Turn people off but more than that. They've had a lot of failure probably just A lot of record complaints apple extended its replacement program Eh Phil Schiller admitted that they've been addressing these issues So not great at everything for repeated keys to getting stuck under them to try to change the membrane so so now what happens. Well the MAC book pro has a new keyboard. And it's a throwback keyboard. This is the this is the magic keyboard that was on Amax. Wry wit should the standalone keyboard keyboards. It's been around for a while and he's a good keyboard This has been incorporated or were adjusted in engineered into this Sixteen sixteen inch pro which I guess based on gleaning from from Schiller's comments this is for you know meant for what pros had requested and I think everyone's been requesting but the question of when this actually makes it in other laptops is unclear. It sounds like it will need extra engineering work And I'm not sure sure with that timeframe would be when I talked to Schiller. I mean He. He's made clear that right now. They sort of see it as parallel pads still working on making the butterfly keyboard which is on his third generation. Now better by the same time. Now that they've got this scissor version You know he sees it as a pro tear featuring now I really do hope it trickles down to some of the lower end matt books though yeah. I don't think it's a protein feature. I think it's an improved keyboard. I think this is This feels like my favorite one. It's a happy medium where it's it's still for those Xuejuan. A Lotta key travel. It's not as much as the older Mac. Books Right like the older older maqbool. Yep But Compared to got fifteen ensuring the sixteen inch using them side by side ride I work on the macbook air with a butterfly one if feels like it more satisfying and also. Apparently the keys can be removed. The key caps Kemira nice so maybe that means better repairability. We don't really know that. Yeah a little bit more space between the keys more space between the keys and the touch bars. Well Yup doc zone were space. There smells and physical escape key right. Which apple was very happy about that? You know the existence of an escape key. I've never seen everyone more excited about that. But it is back yet which is helpful. There's a more discreet touch power button. The touch bars smaller the touch bars mandatory mandatory. Yes which okay yeah. I'm not wild about bar. The other subtle thing the Arrow keys it's inverted T as opposed to the content of a boxy formation that the books apples and I can go back to feeling for it again feels a little more No look intuitive which is not the way I feel about touch bar. This promise touch part of me is that you can't feel
"phil schiller" Discussed on News Radio 690 KTSM
"NBC news radio I'm Phil Schiller is it in trump is firing more barbs at Michigan democratic congresswoman receded to leave there's no way she stands for the values of the people of Michigan but I watch here this morning she's vicious during a DC speech today trump described her as like a crazed lunatic trump also said she is not the same person the president started attacking to leave in three other minority Democrats more than a week ago he said they should go back to where they came from all four are US citizens three of the four were born in the US the Senate will be voting today to extend funding for the nine eleven victim compensation fund the bill that was recently approved by the house extends funding for seventy years the measure got a big push from New York firefighters police and former daily show host Jon Stewart president trump is expected to sign the bill the Senate will also consider the issue of legal marijuana sales and banking senators discussed regulating banks ability to provide services to businesses that sell marijuana in states where it has been legalized since the drugs currently illegal at the federal level banks are not allowed to provide those services senators Jeff Merkley of Oregon and Cory Gardner of Colorado aim to bring a version of the secure and fair enforcement banking act to the floor to address this issue of version has already passed in the house Mar Gasper is the nation's new defense secretary Texas Republican senator Ted Cruz announced the final vote in the Senate the ETS are ninety then the Nasr eight the nomination is confirmed as per as an army vet and was secretary of the army when president trump tapped him to run the Pentagon he is the first Senate confirmed the defense chiefs in secretary James Mattis resigned late last year acting defense secretary Patrick Shanahan recently resigned to deal with some personal issues you're listening to the latest from NBC news radio Attorney General William Barr says the U. S. is vulnerable to growing cyber threats we've become dependent on a vast and expanding.
"phil schiller" Discussed on News & Talk 1380 WAOK
"I'm Phil Schiller president trump is offering is congradulations to Benjamin Netanyahu on becoming the longest serving prime minister in the history of Israel on Twitter today trump said under Netanyahu's leadership Israel has become a technology powerhouse in a world class economy the president added Netanyahu as let Israel with a commitment to the value of democracy freedom and equal opportunity that both our nations cherish and share Netanyahu first served as prime minister of Israel from nineteen ninety six to ninety nine his second stint as PM began in oh nine president trump does not believe the four freshmen Congress women are capable of loving our country that's a quote in a tweet this morning the president said they should apologize to America and Israel for the horrible that he full things they have said trump added they are destroying the Democratic Party but our weekend in secure people who can never destroy our great nation these comments come after president trump last week said those for freshman house Democrats should go back to the crime infested places from which they came the Federal Trade Commission is reaching a settlement with Google over violating the privacy rights of children the investigation found that Google violated not only the laws but also failed to protect children when improperly collecting their data on the video sharing site The Washington Post reports the tech giant is expected to pay a multi million dollar fine but details were not announced the settlement must be approved by the department of justice before it becomes official Brian shook NBC news radio democratic presidential candidates are calling for the governor of Puerto Rico to resign the streets of San Juan have been filled with protesters since chat messages were leaked to that contain offensive comments from governor Ricardo wrist seo some democratic hopefuls are expressing solidarity with protesters and are calling on a sale to step down congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii is importer Rico to show support for the protesters you're listening.
"phil schiller" Discussed on Accidental Tech Podcast
"So WW DC has been announced it is time, ladies and gentlemen, as per usual. I've thrown my hat in the ring for the lottery, John what did you do? Sam's. Here's all I'm glad it was the dates. We all thought it was going to be and I entered the lottery, your luck been going on a lottery system every year, except the last one Mosconi, I've been extraordinarily lucky, and I am very very thankful for it. Here's hoping that the WDC gods treat me well again this year. We'll see what happens. Yeah. I think I'm like whatever on lorries bring on like five for five or something I've gotten it every single time, and I would love that streak to continue. But. You know, like, I I think about this every year we into lottery not that. We're a super special people. But I asked myself are we not press, which is like a reference that neither one of you. Yeah. It seems like a thing that could possibly happen. Maybe we should just ask Phil. Can we get some press passes? Sure. I mean, it's still don't but getting is pretty easy. You just use my name and Pasco to the door. You'll get right in see how easy that was. We should have done years ago. What's the passcode, courage? So we'd like to introduce Apple's senior vice president of robot marketing, Phil Schiller. Thank you so much for being here. Phil sure thanks for letting me bargin on the on the podcast and talk about WW. See? All right. So so there's there's a lot going around going on around apple as usual, and we will get to the rest of it later. I promise Phil has been generous enough with this time to come here today to talk about WW, so that will be the focus of our conversation. And I got to say like WDC to me this is like the Super Bowl for apple fans. It's to me it's the biggest event of the year. Because like, it isn't usually very hardware, focus. It's really more about the software and hardware is exciting. Especially exciting in the moment. But software, ultimately matters more and WBZ is so fun to me because we get to see what the whole next year of software will bring to all of our devices and for developers..
Apple's SVP Phil Schiller hypes 2019 WWDC in rare podcast appearance
"So we'd like to introduce Apple's senior vice president of robot marketing, Phil Schiller. Thank you so much for being here. Phil sure thanks for letting me bargin on the on the podcast and talk about WW. See? All right. So so there's there's a lot going around going on around apple as usual, and we will get to the rest of it later. I promise Phil has been generous enough with this time to come here today to talk about WW, so that will be the focus of our conversation. And I got to say like WDC to me this is like the Super Bowl for apple fans. It's to me it's the biggest event of the year. Because like, it isn't usually very hardware, focus. It's really more about the software and hardware is exciting. Especially exciting in the moment. But software, ultimately matters more and WBZ is so fun to me because we get to see what the whole next year of software will bring to all of our devices and for developers.
"phil schiller" Discussed on Mac Power Users
"I've always always had it in the back of my head that wouldn't it? Be neat to get somebody like Phil Schiller seems like he'd be good. I I'm not shy person. But I'm also. Reserved in certain ways. And so the idea of asking something like that is very I don't like to ask for anything. I don't I don't like to ask permission because I don't want to be told. No, right. So that's probably why I wanted to work for myself rather than work for another publication. I don't wanna ask can I can I write a feature about blank. I just want to write it. But I thought you know, what I I don't know. I don't know. What got me? I it's you know, I thought you know, what I'll ask Dowling so emailed Steve Dowling and said, hey, you know, it was like maybe like a week and a half before WBZ, I ten days before WW DC. I said, hey, here's something I've been thinking about you told me, maybe it's a crazy idea. I do this live show every year w w d c what do you think about? Having Phil Schiller as my guest this year. You know, it would take about an hour. You know, the audience, you know, as I sent him like a linked to like the last year's show on video. An Email back like an hour later. And I spent that our like, oh my God. What the hell did? I just do. He wrote an just sent me an Email, and he said, that's not a crazy idea at all. Let's talk tomorrow. And you know, and he you know, and the next day we talked on the phone, and he said, yeah, I talked to fill. It is great idea. Let's do it. You know, what do you need from us? And you know, it couldn't have been easy enter from there couldn't have been easier. I was like jeeze maybe I should ask for more. I really is a sort of an era. I'm you know, I I was already forty one years old. You know, it's like I should have learned some lessons like that in life. But you know, it so many so much the older I get the more. I find more and more that some of the best advice in life are the most common bits of advice you ever hear like it doesn't hurt to ask is actually fantastic advice. But it's I mean, necessarily, so you're right. It, you know. Am not going to deny it. It's a big part of the WW DC week. Right. People. Can't wait to get these tickets. They sell out in a minute. It is a fantastic venue now, and San Jose, the videos are of our super-popular people like it and honest to God it almost didn't happen. Like there's there is a an alternate universe. Where, you know, a butterfly flapping swings in China and twenty thirteen leads to me in two thousand fourteen not quite having the nerve to ask to see. Phil Schiller would want to do the show. There's some universe. Where that you know, it was me and John mullets up there that that year. Well, you know, what I'll tell you what I Meyer about you on that is I feel like in some ways every year. I see you get up on stage with some apple executive, and I feel like putting myself near shoes at feels like it could be a no win situation. It's like if you aren't a if you're too aggressive with them. They just won't answer questions and they'll never come back. We won't get any information out of them. If you're too soft within over Bill say there's Gruber being an apple fan. Boy, you know. But it seems like every year you manage to kind of walk the line and get them to say things that I don't think they intended to say. But also, you know, get them to come back the next year part of it is having the right? The right. People like everybody, you know, the thing I get all over and over again is wouldn't it be great? If you get Tim cook. I'm not gonna say, I would I wouldn't say, no. But I think that would be I think that would be really tough because I feel like he is really really hard to knock off message. I I've never seen him knocked off message. I mean, he's really good at his thing. He is really good at it..
"phil schiller" Discussed on The MacCast
"Pre-sales happened last Friday. They are shipping out this Friday and Phil Schiller is doing the rounds talking about the iphone and he did an interview with n. gadget and they asked him, you know, what does the arstan for an iphone, ten har- and he just come in saying, you know, the letters that apple uses for its products, never stand for anything specific. A lot of people want to read into those letters, but they're saying, no, not really anything specific. So he did comment that like he likes sports cars and s and are often, or they're to mean kind of the performance more sporty cars in. Definitely. I think the iphone ten are with its bright colors in great features kind of fits that description. So that made a lot of sense for him to make comments on that. He also did comment on. On the screen issue, pixels per inch issue. And I don't even really think this is an issue, but you know, many people denoting, hey, the iphone ten are screen doesn't have a true ten eighty p display. It does have the same pixels per inch that the iphone four has had, but I will also point out that it's the same pixels per inch that every iphone since the iphone four has all the way through up to and including the iphone eight. So that form factor always three hundred twenty six p p. I, that's the thing from the very beginning that apple coined retina, meaning you can't discern the individual pixels. And Phil Schiller's point there was that if you quote quote, if you can't see the pixels at some point, the numbers don't mean anything. They're fairly arbitrary and he added. I think the only way to judge display is to look at it and I have to say, I don't think he's wrong. You know, you need to go see. That thing in person before you really judge it. I think most people are going to be very happy with that display. Most people aren't getting bogged down in the pixels per inch other than maybe tech analysts and really nerdy folks and people who really care about this stuff. And for those folks, the iphone ten are is not your phone because you're buying the premium phone. You're buying the ten s or the ten s max. And before those of you who are thinking about the start to write in and say, oh, you know, it's not HD are it's not ten eighty p and there's cheaper, Android phones that have that. I get it. I totally understand that again. I think you're the market that cares about that stuff. And really at the end of the day, we're talking about a phone screen. Do you really need HDR ten eighty p four k. on a teeny tiny phone screen. I don't think that's the experience you're looking for. If that's what you care about. Get a really nice. Oh, led display for your living room. You know. Let's get sixty five seventy inches a big bright display. That looks awesome for watching films. If if you're concerned about the quality on your teeny tiny, iphone screen for video. Yeah, I don't know. I know there's a lot of people out there that watch YouTube stuff and you can get in four k. and you can get it in HD are now, but I just don't think the average person is really going to be able to tell the difference. So think a lot of people are making a big thing of nothing. Now I will tell you one thing that's been bothering me with a lot of analysts and reports and and people were talking about the iphone ten are is them using this term quote, affordable or saying you're getting a premium phone at a not premium price..
"phil schiller" Discussed on Connected
"No. What happened to it a loss. Dagga whenever gonna it whenever gonna sit that is my my bowl prediction app. How will never exist? Yes, it is completely something horrific happened. I think a lot of things caught on fire is what I think happened because that really feels like the like what would happen to mean that this product will go from getting significant time to never appearing. And I think stuff was overheat and like it was just a technical disaster is what they had on ends. And I think we're gonna see that right now. Like I think it's it's dead instead. So we should talk about that a little bit. It is still on the website only on the air pods page. I spent a lot of people out that pods page is outdated in a bunch of ways like it's there's a lot of products on that page like old apple watches, and I phoned sevens. And yeah, it's like there's that page could do with some some TLC because I think there was there. Like they've held off on an epic update because of this because of this. So here's the deal, you promised a prize. So what are you getting yourself in me and not Federico. I don't know. See that's how it works year to are the co founders really just you just assign points to each other. You talking about, you'll you talking system is rigged against madness. What are you talking about. Like this. We did stop from conspiracy against. I just texted Phil Schiller. Hey, man. I need you to hold off on this because I want you to around the company in the side how to assign point. You are the one who wanted a prize in the first place really discussing prize because you did a trophy. Apprise, which I still I have nothing. I have nothing for a prize, but look Federico. You did a good job. You got fifty percent of your stuff. Right. Didn't get as many things correct. Even it's more like I would say it's more like sixty percents because really I work is doesn't really Utah six things. Three of them were right. I know what you want from me. I work and I work update for Islas twelve. What would it even include? Like what is new? And I was twelve that would support. You wouldn't understand you don't use US. Yeah. What are they gonna? Do they gonna shortcuts. The MAC, hey, hey, Siri at a row to my table do on the budget. Suport touch screens going in an direction. I didn't expect by out of the why we're in this situation. We're in the situation because migrating needs to be higher. It's fifty percent. It's lik six sixty percents because the things I got wrong are like accessories to the. He got sixty percent. You got sixty percent Stephens like seventy five or eighty one boys boys. All right. Okay. I'm I'm gonna share before you got none of Stephen. You got eighty percents of stuff ferry got sixty percent. I got the works. End it we're done. There's probably going to be an episode next week, but if there's not, then we love you. I've quit quit. If you want to read some links articles, we've linked to some reason. You haven't seen pictures of the new iphone. They'll be linked in there to relay.
"There was a surge in the number of families illegally crossing into the US from Mexico last month families account for a significant number of those apprehended at the US border and last month, the number of families arrested increased by thirty eight percent compared to July. They blame the surge on a court order, which prevents children from being separated from their families for more than twenty days. The overall number of people stopped or arrested at the border last month was nearly forty seven thousand if it's September. It must mean new iphones apple unveiled its new products, including a watch that. Text heart problems and its biggest phone ever vice president Phil Schiller. Once you call a phone that bigger than plus size, or we call it di- phone tennis max this year, apple became the first publicly traded company to hit a market value of one trillion dollars.
Apple announces 3 new iPhones, a new watch
"Holly flung CBS apple unveiling a new line of iphones today during its annual big September events KCBS is Mike HOGAN says upgrades were also announced for a host of apple products. Three new iphones were unveiled apple senior. Vice president Phil Schiller, including the iphone ten s the iphone ten s is not just one. But two sizes of display the five point eight inch in a new six point five inch super retina display. This is the biggest display ever on an iphone. It isn't all that display as well. Three point three million pixels four hundred and fifty eight pixels per inch. Again, apple chief operating officer. Jeff Williams unveiled the new fourth generation apple watch it has a larger display and curved corners. The speaker has also been completely redesigned. It's fifty percent louder which is great for phone calls and walkie-talkie or Syria. Request. You just won't believe the sound you get out of such a small device. The new watch starts at three. Ninety nine four ninety nine with the new iphone ten s is priced at nine ninety nine ten ninety nine for the ten s max and seven forty nine for the budget version, ten are
What to expect from the 2018 iPhone
"Out of the supply chain came the to me on surprising news that the iphone ten. The one we know from last year was going to be stopped in production and right. The idea is it's just that come the end of September. When the new iphones are out, you'll be able to find these two new iphone x. s you know models? There's going to be a new, which we can talk about an a bit unlinked by nine to five, MAC, six point, five inch or six point one inch. I'm sorry diagonal about seemingly halfway between the two sizes of the iphone ten s. With an l. CD screen by with the iphone ten basic form factor of no home button and a front facing a sensor array, aka notch in a corner to corner round wreck. You know, design cetera, replay, the twenty thirteen playbook where they end of life, the iphone five and replaced it with the five s and the five. See exactly it is that's their strategy, but it was grossly, I believe, willfully misinterpreted. It sound like they're gonna come to your house and steal your. You're right, and that they were abandoning the basic right. It was being killed, right? It's it's a failure at being killed, but that that leaked from the supply chain, I believe it's unsurprising given the nature of the iphone ten, but it's not just going to hang around at a lower price point as too expensive to make. And if you look at it the well, I mean like the led screen, Samsung charges a fortune for those screens. And if you wanna price it down at a normal iphone level, a saving some money and going LCD, and a few other and aluminum, I think is a really good strategy. But we knew that, you know, I say new knowing that we didn't know no the way that, like, let's say, Tim cook. Right. Jeff Williams knows. You know, Phil Schiller knows Johnny might have a clue yet, right? Johnny might have a clue. To what is really coming, but we on the outside following rumors could be could reasonably wager a very large sum of money that they were coming out. They were doing away with the iphone last year's iphone, ten, replacing it with an updated exact same size. Five point h diag five point, eight inch diagonal. Oh, lead. A big brother plus sized. If you will six point five inch version of the same design. And the gold quote, unquote, gold stainless steel ram was also leaked, and I believe in this was something that was remembered for the original iphone ten. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. It was rumored I think even put it through FCC clearance that gold version. And there was a bunch of stories that either because you can't analyze stainless steel the way you can aluminum. That's why the apple watch has a deal, see diamond like carbon coating, and that's a form of April coding and you can. You can April code in gold, but it's trickier. And some people are saying it just took too long to do it or didn't look up to apple standards. But traditionally apple has saved the new colors for the s years where the design is the same. But they want to, you know, humans, we'll treat a new color like and new design anyway. So it gets a lot more attention if they if they have the new design, the new colors. Yeah, I can't help, but think that that must've played part of it that maybe it was the trickier curler. Maybe they kinda were thinking about doing it last year, but I can't help it think. That maybe it was also strategy because they obviously knew. I mean, the pipeline is at least two years long on I phones. And so at some point when they were completely finalizing the exact plans for the iphone ten, they already knew that the next year's phones at this at to replace it would be the tennis in these two sizes and strategically I can't help, but think that they might have wanted to hold gold for that so that there would be a version of it that was instantly recognizable as brand new? Yeah, because people want other people to know they have the new iphone. We're kind of vein that way. It definitely drives sales for some people who are thinking that. And then I think the other factor is is advertising that it gives them a an iphone ten s to photograph and put on billboards and put in commercials and put in full-page magazine ads
"phil schiller" Discussed on Upgrade
"How do you price them? And those are hard decisions too. So this is not. I mean, I find it fascinating. Obviously, you and I find it fascinating because we talk about it all the time. 'cause we all civilian. The weeds. I said, I was going to blow through this. We haven't even gone post the iphone. Yeah, what's great about it is there is no, as far as I can tell there is no right clear right answer here. You got to kind of close one eye and throw a dart like your best shot. Take your best shot and see what happens. And Phil Schiller and his people have done that. And we will know in a couple of weeks what they chose, but it's fascinating to think about all their options and what a hard decision it is in a lot of ways. So more from the report, the apple watches going edge to edge and we'll be compatible with existing straps. I'm excited about this idea because this is what I wanted to see, right? Some visual designs, some hardware change to the apple watches design. I'm keen to see what that actually ends up resulting in. Right. Is the screen. Giga is it just bigger or thinner? Thick. A, what is it look like? So I'm pleased to see that gonna finally make a change to design if the apple watch it will be different, right? Like if you just make the screen bigger, you can still keep the the overall design the same, but making the screen big that is a consumer focused design change. The sign changes have been for that benefit and making thick. Oh, but one I'm going to say is that it's a an invisible design change because if you're removing the black edges under the glass, the glass will still be the same. Right? So you get a us a benefactor of is one way more pixels on that screen. Sure, that's, that's that is the lightest of hardware redesigns, but yes, good. But in the meantime, we're about about the pros and world in small vessels, right? So they can be benefits to it. If feels like a strange thing with the apple watch because she's say, think people saying, oh, I really wanna bigger screen, but. But at least it is a USA focus design change like which I am interested to see. I'm keen to see if what else this could manifest in. But yeah, compatible of existing shrimps as big thing. Apple need to keep that on that train for for a long time. I think that is going to be something that when they do change will really upset a lot of people, so they need to try to stay away from that as much as they possibly can. I think. New. I pep pros so to I pep pros. One is around eleven inches. One is around twelve point, nine inches according to gum and woo. Now, this is interesting to me because what this says is you take two current. I'm peppers on the smaller one is seems like they keeping the physical size the same, an expanding the screen size again. Right? They did that the first time most of the same size, right? That actual physical size but made the screen big and that seems doing it again. It can screen big, but keeping the physical size probably around the same. And then with the lodger ipad pro is seems like what they're doing is keeping the screen size the same, but making physically smaller with the action. Very interesting choice there. I think the me they all the to exact choices I want, but it's interesting that they went that way. Yeah, I think it makes sense to me. They're trying to differentiate the ipad pro from the other ipad more. Your productivity comes with more screen space. So pushing the smaller model up and then the twelve point nine. All right, that's enough screen space. Let's get it smaller because the problem as you and I both know the problem with the pet twelve point nine is it's too big to the screen is beautiful, but it's too big too heavy. It's unwieldy because of the surface area that screen. So get the Bengals down. That's going to be great. That's gonna make that that even greater. And if you think they sound close won't. That's the same. Basically the same difference between two laptops like fifteen, eleven thirteen effectively the same MAC book air. There was eleven thirteen. It's not that far off from that..
"phil schiller" Discussed on The Talk Show
"Name it was a it was a weird time but it but ten years ago is when the when the swede solution of the you're gonna write web apps or the iphone finally kinda came down and they said no no no we're going to do an app store here's how it's going to work and talk about a huge milestone and it was a it was i don't know why it stands out to me but it was an interesting event because uh it was jaws wasn't steve jobs and it wasn't phil schiller was greg jobs we act right are my boat act khan i am i wrong annette or you did alive blog yeah he should heights of look on meech it's jobs it's jobs and schiller oh i am the night before stall uh they got us maybe it was jaws who did it now i must be miss remember it with one of the year's worth steve was was ill it was one of your additives ill it's ten it's a 100 one am on march six two thousand eight my life blogs says fill show i think steve said phil and scott forestall will do the heavy lifting the and so was phil and scott who dim all of it and that makes that makes sense for the first one that actually does make sense especially forestalls involvement i i i loved craig's put i will put it in a show notes i love craig's right up and the thing that it's so mindblowing to me that there was this really active developer community before the sdk came out entirely through jail breaking and through backwards engineered access to the ap is that apple you know the private ap is that apple had used to read all the apps there on.
"phil schiller" Discussed on Triangulation
"More in their interest suggests to stay shut to stay quiet so that they could i dunno i you know i don't know i it's it's really are to speculate it really does in hindsight feel like they may be word leading me on a little bit toward and they never really had any intention of of doing anything on than just kind of wanted to keep me in in good graces for the time but you know that's that's their prerogative i wasn't sitting around waiting to see if i could get an interview with phil schiller to you know to complete the book i really think that history is best told by the people who were there at the time in the trenches um you're making this thing happen and fortunately i was able to speak to dozens of those people which is a significant portion of the key players of of the of the iphone project so fortunately i was able to i was able to do it on what i've liked or been interested in hearing on current day apples perspective absolutely out of love to include that but such as it is they decided not to not to cooperate so i i ended up with what i got are happy with while any about spin regaining at times in the mossy journal in the guardian in so many places and one thing that i haven't read i which i about the book is that you're you're not a gadget guy like you're not you haven't been reviewing apple products forever which in some ways makes you a a very different kind of apple writer i think apple journalists are it's.