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155: Memoirs of a Britpop Machiavelli, Eltons Rocketman, Richard Hawley

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155: Memoirs of a Britpop Machiavelli, Eltons Rocketman, Richard Hawley

"The Starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. Let's you go tickling the ivories. He just saved by bundling home and auto progressive gonna finally by ring for that gal of yours Ugo, send my condolences. This next one freed, there's. In my all, thank you. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Discounts on available in all states or situations. Hello, welcome back to big mouth. The pop culture podcast with marginally better sound quality than spice skills, reunion tool. I g Harrison joining me as usual, Sean patent carefree and confident Mel, c to my desperate anxious. Geri halliwell. Hello, sean. How are you? Did you have a pleasant day weekends pleasant spent listening to Tyler the creator, mainly really goping at town amazing? He's just become the best server as we may discuss late. We may discuss later might everybody has called weekend was going to all points east in London's Victoria Park to see variety when promise Creamer, a Bobby Gillespie decided he was gonna do birthday dedication to his wife, and he goes, this one's view. Babe love your this swastika. Peaceful. On the, the audience will give going, particularly Parisot, your syphilis. It doesn't really go very well. Maybe she maybe she likes his probably their song anyway on this week show. We're going to be looking at rocket man, the Elton John bio pic, starring Taryn edging. It's been praised as sensory overload. They're really puts you in the tortured brain of the future, sir Elton, but the height of his fame and in the depths of his ice cream cockles cocaine misery, but it's also been described as a bit of a hatchet job on said, Elton enemies. What did we think about it? And also, you're listening to the eight thousand by Monday, Royal turn Sheffield shaven Richard Hawley, how has middle-aged treating the most pendulous quip in the west riding of Yorkshire and what is he saying about our stage of life? Also, we have a very special guest this week in the nineteen ninety s Phil savage round. The polit bureau of pop as pay off some of the defining bands of the era, pulp suede last year, the verve, the authors, savage, and best, which around this John best had them all as well as other more of their timeout, dislike menswear powder shampoo, space, dope, star and ultra sound. Phil knows where the bodies buried having met at several of them himself. It's all in his memoir lunch with the wild fronts as which is out now. Hello, Phil savage big mouth. How you doing? I very well liked. It's again after two long, we're gonna talk about the book in some diesel in a minute. But writing the book is often the, the death of being a payoff. Once you finally specimens, right? Did you have any qualms about? Say it comes up in trying to stop being the pale into it. Yes. So writing about my stop to mind vision in that direction is every time you meet declined the book and go, you do realize all of this will come out around talking about. Without giving the ending away. It does kind of finish with disengaging from us, it just as it sends the enemy using market research to find out what they should cover swayed. All not in, in a kind of giving the ending. Telling. It's a game of thrones. We sort of know how it's going to end. But we need to know why that way. And do you think not business that you were so adept kind of creating story as that sort of died or is it just moved to a little place for? Well, we certainly my theory, the internet marketing of killed. We oughta P R I think start the book with an anecdote where used to look after Bank, the twenty fifth of may who will kind of like Poppel, the goal is to pretend we're rights, all their gigs. And so tell the maker to call an outrage promoter in Newcastle. And they call them and defend. There's times live in Newcastle with a perfect accent. So yet, lose riots last night, so they bring the story. So I realized then you create stories. You can't do that anymore because over c- people check their facts. To right here on new band, and say we playing this record. They weren't really be listening to you. We look at the Facebook profile of the bound seen as the demographic of the profile of this. And that's not quite right. Limping check any facts, the death of Jerry. Yeah. Absolutely. Agree with this. We're gonna get into detail on lunch with wealth. Frontiers, including white gold lunch with the well frontiers after these short reminders, Michelle remember, you can every edition of big mouth day early by supporting us with a few quid on the crowd funding platform patron. We're asking for the mid price of a pint, just five pounds a month. And we'll send you each episode of the show as soon as it's ready, you'll get the extra bit to exclusive to our patching backers this week, Phil is going to stick around, and we are going to confess to our personal best and worst moments in the glory, days and Britpop. Such patchy and big mouth to find out more. Also, don't forget Andrews full night of new order, frontier Pence, audio boss, spirit land in London's kings cross next Thursday. June sixth. He's doing a spirit and legends session featuring the best witnessed a most obscure of the monk union glue merchants, turn ravers. And we are promised. It will be heavy on the Jillian very heavy Julius. Yes. Admission is free. It's eight PM to what miam- at spirit land granny square kings Thursday, sick of June. It's going to be like the hacienda, but miles better. Thank Sean now, remember those days, the nineteenth when every skinny layabout in the land moves accounting town to catch points in the good mixer on almost certainly become a pasta because it was also easy back then former music Bill Phillips, which is captured a large slice of those heady days in his book, the frontiers before we talk about it. Let's get in the mood with some Representative June's get almost blouse on his Alaska with connection swayed with mental Mickey and pulled with this hardcore. Oh, how I miss being relevant fill the book is extremely funny, as well as quite sad for the passing of an era. It's like PG route houses at fallen through time horrible to Chamisa. Hang around in the bull and gate. What made you want to write it? Did you feel purge of need? Just pick up. You've already started calling me, full music. Actually, what not writing that let you start? Well, I have written my whole life was tried to, you know, novel as most people have an piece it out and of Britain Bogra's and sleeve notes, and about three years ago, I told the ligaments in my left knee, because I run every day, and I couldn't run anymore or walk. So vice disembarking. So I shared some stories to somebody, and they said, these are great social today agent. He said, if you got any more, I said, yes. Lied about. You know, gone for a whole book, and then the kind of exist is kind of like stories in their own. Right. Which you can dip in and out over the I advise you not to do that kind of they scoot ahead as well into grab from the future. Been dragged by every every chapter starts quarterly after the last one started. But as my motivation, I guess, just had to do it really tell that needed to be told de filled it, the nineties, get the ju- they tend to get buried onto these kind of awful guitar revival tools, and they forget, the, you know, the exciting all way, a dog man star different class, doger's quasi, intelligent, and also very conveyed cut loose and and drowsiness as well. It wasn't just like fat bloke, trying to be, I think it become less on Georgian away. Surived from all over, and I don't think Ted Cutler said the other day that when they when they started releasing records as a competitive sport, which I think is kind of true before that it was kind of innocent all the bounds sitting round syndrome. Was talking to each other journeys rim bonds as well. And I was same age come along and kind of made it more the rival this weight. Berl had for instance, folk childish, I can just in connection cetera and father Buddha went away to America for for tool and bartend became backs wave on the cover of the enemy. And they didn't know how that happened because when they left labor, nothing so this, that was kind of, but that was kind of like some very innocent about that. And then when oasis arrived, the rivalry was blur, was really serious nasty you know this horrible things about you shoulda. So I felt kind of changed a bit. Then for me, it does make me realize that that leads into it because you had no good at football no good at fighting and then music, it's ten into football. He competitive, but I also think that the waste is rival made bands like Sweden blurred change. I think swayed quite a feat, and blur work. Not quite a they became because the white. All those bands thought maybe we're being discarded, because we're slightly to well, I don't know. I'm Domino's brat hair often dot spankings off. Damon start writing about around in a park. The book is, it's an entertainment and its own, right? Most of the many of the really anything's not to do with music. It's all you growing up in prep, nausea. With won't kids was Tom bike, to tell me. Oh, yeah. Used comes to school. Gates time with these very long scarf. Yeah. Did you and the kids? Yeah. It was exactly. Yeah. Exactly like it would be now if just in was data at school as me. Well, I was really taken by your dad, and his slightly Hilton his inability to case Hedren, you'll terrible punchy pop music particularly his phrases. Like, yes, when. Somebody somebody like COPA vile grind. I haven't got time for experiment, but not very gentle, my dad. So that was when I e came to London from Nottingham, and it just popped into visit me and sit around and look around on my Ponzi, flat with my friends it was it was made of Cup of. Oh, great. That's a very punchy form of. About you accidentally fall into music, and you end up doing g g Alan Kay memories of noted Scotland, logical rock and roll g Jalen. Well, thankfully, I never met his brother came to the door of the PR of his working, but it could have been because he had very badly put on bed. I. I think it was officer burnt all the records in the back garden untold, everybody don't think he found out about it always that was because of the time, I didn't know I thought he was just like Frank Zappa figure who just know, comically, eight sheet on stage was instead, of course, he was, you know, advocated violence and rape. And I didn't realize that until I looked at the lyric. She that's why till the records in the garden. That's what I call the pale and you moved onto virgin records doing sort of strange entities. Bounds like it bites and Wendy and Lisa. We did have quite a nice little moment with ROY orbison. Yes. Some people say that cry reason that chapter I mean, I cried no one is writing. But at the time when I was representing him because he obviously died, you know, you know. What was looking after him and his wife in manager, Barbara flown to America and so I-? She's a good bye to him, and then east eight around meeting will press and stuff. And then he flew by his mum and he had heart stuck in his mother's arms. And I remember thinking ice will ROY closer to his death and his beloved wife that somehow wrong and identifies him an easy thought, but it really crossed my mind at the time and I was really upset. And that's also wanna noticed when I went to records later that morning because it was Nelson the radio early in the morning and Pretty Woman on the radio and I'm going to get in the office because of flowers everywhere, and it was called straight to emergency meeting, and someone said, well, of course, this might be good for record sales. And I just thought like three hours ago you didn't know who's dead, and we do sell the record and that really me off. Royal. Much like a full of gentlemen, pre Roxanne very Texan. Let me smokes mobile read and had long long how opponents all time. I kept saying we came out the shower in the towel. Coming to Minoso. So nervous free hours early for the first interview was organizing around the square for three hours and the ninth into Nick Kent, and there's a part of that story is, is me, trying to tell Nick, Royal Persson wants these biography and trans tractor Nick and yeah. At savage and pests the pay our empire in John Batchelor. Together was definitely a power in the land and lots of listeners will have an inkling of how close relationships between music and the weekly president could you actually strong all Connor journalistic, over about out of the Blake, obviously not people showing me what it means. Strong-armed anybody I'm kind of person I think it can be a bit clever about it. I mean there's a story in the book about, you know, be cute. I guess. Sweitzer a single animal nitrate, which I thought was a real game changer. And because I'd seen them play live so many times really wanted to have an effect. So I sell type took a cassette copy of that to velvet. Kushner, we'd had rain on in our office, and then bite into the enemy with a note that said, another great disappointment. They would appreciate the army. I mean somebody Streep to vote on this, but you know that to be something tells you the enemy found somewhere and got single of the week. So you'll be cute about it without strong arming somebody, and then once you got a reputation people listened to, to your opinion more, which is why I hate the internet. And that's why you know, I say Alaska formed in our office, because I said, well, you beautiful, you're rich, you surrounded by beautiful people. You got Damon years ago would Bratton about ideally and then before they really recall there was a demo going around in our office with a couple of trucks on an melody maker, rang up and said, we wanted to feature on elastic, and I said, well, you do a piece on them. You can't become on the cover, and then I heard one of the phone to his chest. And chefs Cossio Phil savage turning down the cover for less ticker. And then he came back and said, yeah, we'll do then, and then they put them on the cover just to piss me off. And, you know, just as if that was, but I knew exactly what I was doing. You know, they cover them. Sure. Because I was being cute. So it was the best kill you pulled off. Don't you dare say select gosh? Well, that was pre specialized suppose, well, I'm going to say this let one. Because I know you, you. Involved in that. Only at the magazine. I never claimed to Britpop claim to have invented. The difference for all young listeners. This is one. We put brat on the cover of select with Union, Jack in the background news heading big feature that had denim and saints CNN the terrorism, pull handful of all people in, there is the new world of three hour five of those bands were savaged by spines. So this case, but for me, pope been in enemy melody makeup like several times a year. They couldn't they weren't important enough apparently to be in a magazine featured a magazine, the only way to get them in. There was to lump them in with other bands, new bonds. So they were in features, so that the people at selected loved pope could actually justify getting them in the magazine, the first place, the other thing that we've same time was the it just puts weight on the front cover and month before with the headline will inside. It said that discography in to in full with two singles. And that was the lowest setting copy of q ever, which I was very proud of the time. And so they took an challenge, but it's let be seen to follow them because that was an old man's title. So how can we do swayed fault? The editor. Movement. So this is all as you on here. Wasn't really? Some might say a person might say that those groups were already part of thing, and you're facilitating we can have that heated debate. Amongst the things that you also handling all four AD Benz and the farm and interesting. Combination find that bans would civil into each other in the office, and they would be could never really handle the farm. I mean, you know, there was just. No. I mean. The single was great, but they were they lived in our little world. You know. And I got on top of the pops them every week for five weeks on goners house vives, surely just to the piss out the whole time behind my back. But did they come in the office yet and four? I bans mysterious believe it or not. Behind a lot of goals. Exactly. What do you think is the what was the remote what you thought we've really have got away with murder on something? Hey, we really have made something famous well, they're up to Lutely Kula shaker. Even though Melissa looked often in the office and did a great job when I heard them and I knew that the heritage of spin and his dad at ceremonies. His mom was granted is, and I, I will always going to happen is going to happen. So if we don't do them, somebody else will do them. So do them, but I personally hated them contrived and just Philby fish that you can do it, and I'll just stunned around, but I remember being team the puck and he's mentioned the book as well whether playing in a field of walking on with paulie and plus they look Cusack over their hands management, I shall never see them. I never see them. You also have to handle the Bernard Butler, leaving stroke being invited to leave suede women just as Doug monster. They're big they're big sort of reached longevity in the Grenville. Stephen having an I remember, having to deal with you in states of mild panic, as you sort of keeping keeping very clear. Important to the time. I wasn't my lowest moment in Brit, pop even will postal, then that's that was really strange moment oversee. And that was again, this, this is all in the book, but that's when I'm Bret with panicking because you know Bernard burns brilliant, you know. You know, partnership together MandA the pressure was off Britain away. But now the pressure was back on yet. Another guitarist it could be all over the dream was over was concerned. So the best way to do that is to just put completely don't put a cover on it. But you just think if not the most important thing in the world in. No in that little world. It was pretty massive. So you've got to make sure everybody knows a track on the record burnt implant, a toll. And then they found new guitarist in the same way that they found Bernard in, you know, in melody maker. It was sixteen. So all these positives and people forget the father, but it was an incredible guitarist multiple been over. It was the most onto work with of all the people. Well, I really enjoyed working with brat because it was mistake. And obviously everything everything you did ended up on a cover. There was also pressure all time, but that was an awesome Sweitzer music. I loved so much as well. But I think I am mills pope overly pope because so many great MoMA. That's you know, realizing one point I thought it was just us in us in the officer light them, or he's magazines light them. And once you let them go even though you're not doing yourself. They become brilliant on their own. You can't take joy in really. Is there a band that represented the thought should have made it never did? If if you if you say the older son, didn't make it was. I guess they didn't because they're are money went to let them, but twenty-seven simply but their first four singles are the stunning and obviously, you know, he's been called the most unlikely from mine in pop because of his hefty nature, etc. But their songwriting is incredible. And I still listed as sons now, you know, it's like, you know, indi hawk wind Papa something, did you think as well? I think of poppas of before the tabloids. And after the tabloids tablets seized on the pop away system blast how difficult at that make your job. And how different did it make the job sudden proper papers. I couldn't handle it because I was meant to be speaking to they were the enemy for me. And the only thing that stolen later and kief Ellen said to me, we're going to be in every day, keep your enemies close. He said. Okay. Well, if that's well, I'm Joshua do. I'll do it then. But before that when the thing went over to the tabloids couldn't deal with two outta void phone calls, and it was one situation where I think he might be Matthew, right? The revotes me in the paper about Jarvis. I think it was, and then I didn't. Unexpected a call from the and it didn't call. And then the next again, and I didn't call and the next day saying, seventy best must be the worst PR company in Britain under this point. I could Hundley but being going, this is really bad. And how fail because he's affecting everybody because I didn't want to deal with these people and bring him inside. All right. Matthew and they went to the phone call because they're gonna win in the end those power than. It's depressing feature of like that kind of thing. Basically swamps everything good. Won't one thread voting is your sort of very ahead of the game fondness for non genetic affirming dress and self presentation. True. Do you think Brian Bader, Lil of that? I don't know the head of the game. Do being face photo wounds with Brett and on the makeup artists said to all your quite feminine. And he says. About pill. Story. And so it was also migrants in the book where my gender was confused and it makes, you know comedy moments at cetera with curious coming in, and then just thinking, Melissa or something, and I encourage that. And it was fun. So I was heading my time they go. Yeah. Invented. Do you think I mean, I one of the reasons that obviously, I love the whole Britpop thing because I was having a great time magazine, that was doing really well Alacon of music, success, Phil saying, Oatley, and as much as hate this, the got between popstar Genesis actually the finished I've ever seen it where we're going to the same things. As well because the. Yeah. One of the reasons it looks even more in retrospect, is that like things like that just happen that you can't have a little incubated seen teams of people protecting other people from finding out the truth, when the truth is not as bad as people think. Offer time. Yeah. Never explain what's called lunch with the well from his. Reveal live. Okay. Well, I didn't wanna call it, my life in Brit, pop, because that's pathetic. And that's what won headlines in the papers of. So it's called that because my very first, I version records in June nine nine hundred eighty eight. What was the first person in office because I was completely nervous about the whole thing, I'm Dari, which is empty puffing. The words lunch with the ball frontiers of a what does that mean? That must mean lunch in the welfare as that must be a pub, and of course, a waited till the head press Kim and said, what this means, and she said, well the that's abound called the ball frontiers. You got to go to an Ethiopian restaurant at lunchtime. And an I go there, meet this band. They come on a taxi to pick me up on its market, Pronin from Adam alums, who always had a band album kings, the while frontier. And so goes the restaurant come back their rubbish ban. They get dropped within six weeks. And then I kind of I thought, what I was thinking about that title in my head for a long, long time. If I was a member that will be the title, but what it was too obscure. So anybody was writing googling while frontiers. Find out even in market prone is already big web presence at cetera catalogs. Every moment was waking life. There's nothing about the wall frontiers anywhere. So there'd been a bus from history so anymore. Yes. Well, I it's the stalls and buzz. Rip up and you Harrison. So. Very good entertaining, read blocks of cocaine. That's we need to work out who the luck of cocaine belongs anyway, before we move on his Phil's favourite track from that this is swayed on the chemistry between us. Probably, we've looked to move on broke it man is the much heralded Elton John movie and a second entry into the rock mega biopic genre for director, Tex Fletcher from out of press gang who's finished off human rhapsody after Bryan singer was fired Taryn editon plays, the piano punch from Pinner in a selection audacious head, get an statement spectacles, which should Madden is his manager and lover John Reid and Jamie bell is surprisingly swaggering as Bernie to open, but does the movie play fast and loose with events, probably, it's a movie. Let sabotage. Two. How do you in my head? It was on their tool note that to get out at silly little. Fun. See what did you say? Name was again. Is. Fat boy from nowhere. Get to be a soul man. Got to kill the person you were born to be in order to become the person you wanna be. I'm thinking is changing my name to Elson? But that's. So how does it feel to be a stop? The last singer while we can. I leaving arrange one of this is going is accusing of being alone forever. He wanted to sing with the spire failure. See pay to see Nelson. Do you even care? How much pressure on the I'll still be going to my twenty percent all left. You've killed yourself. Trying to be more wondering. He would never ordinary. And dry on the night. Broke it mind. The Elton John story currently tearing up a cinema near you fill savage. You went to the weekend with your kids. I believe are. No. That's what I said, an advanced course I turned up with the Senate to find out the twelve year old and nine year old, you know, it's allowed in so that's gonna see secret life of pets, too. And then, of course fuss for twenty four hours later to did say, on my own, and I hate musicals I must admit, but I love this film, and I work out that the, the history of while this to the cinema, whether there is a stage musical somewhere, I call rocket, man, this come because it looked exactly like a stage musical on screen, and it may come cinema. You know, I run out just wanted to cancel concerts, Charlie one of those things. That's why. But I loved it. And then as I hate musical. So it's the brilliant. You know, you can have quite join. It doesn't matter. He sought overweight, which I think, is important, you know, being still dance and I thought you have John Reid character. I mean, God knows Molly. Molly. Taupin comes over the lovely isn't this the least film use of a major, you Elton John fund my sister's voting tone, as a child, so I, I always kind of love, don't John. Yes heard he can be bit precious apparently. But yeah I'm big fan. I don't know how you could not like his music. Really? So this is all excess and pump isn't it to people in your trade envy? Those glory, days, this is brick pop light playschool, seventies was just very. Possibly. Yes, I did come out and a life, you know. And he really did why could have done with huge pints vodka for breakfast. It's kind of those, the drug seems kind of almost, you know, even that kind of fantasized today, we don't see section with coping pasta, the callin realistic, but there is something very wolf of Wall Street about it as well. I think. Under did you make of this? Well. Fun, should we all lissi not found out? There's a handful of anybody's been in the business of Foti is going to be some songs you'd going to jail. But generally speaking, I find Elton really, really hard to listen to. I really comes on people can really sing Elton get really sing. And that's thirty. I love this also. Yeah. I really, really loved it. I thought it was so just otaly joyful ludicrous. Over the top understood its own ludicrousness overtop over the top nece, which is pure. It was the best side of what you want to start like Elton John's obey. The frame is really interesting because it's told in flashback from an AA meeting, which this is hardly a spoiler Elton tens up literally dressed, as a flamboyant sequent devil with homes and demon wings, and as the film progresses. He pulls bits of the custody off himself, and it sees literally stripping back the Elton of himself defined the real Elton inside. He's all on the fact that it's all presented in the context of, of fantasy sequences, little reg eight about nine keeps appearing talking. Great. Yeah. There's a moment where you think you've seen the last thing all more of, but he keeps popping up again, crucial moment, such as the famous, Joe pick in the swing to kill yourself moment. Well documents thinking magazine how this story about how jewelry did flown everybody for Elton's birthday to celebrate Elton tending the ripe old age of twenty four Elton's for hours that rugs out. Having eaten about lavallee shouting, I'm going to die. So info, this is rented fairly faithfully, and is it appears for a little Regine that I thought it was amazing that you did manage to look enough like Elton book, mo-, mostly he kind of conveys combination of energy and total turmoil. Let sort of absolute self-confidence self-loathing at the same time. And that kind of tragic neediness that, that drives the whole thing I was completely over, I won't the cinema. I must admit feeding stone cold I I'd seen. I the characterization was victimizing difficult life bit of tuft, dad. I mean his parents very much. I know new wants to that has a bit of a drink drugs problem and then becomes a guy and I didn't see anything else and now while having read those Mike bats pieces and other members of the record industry who knew the management and him at time, he, he does come across enormously, heroic. Can I felt that it wasn't the wasn't a story that there's also a complete disconnect in this mine is playing to hundreds of thousands of people and we don't get an experience of what that's like and how he connects with people through the music, also AM meetings. We don't get anyone else's story. We don't get an idea of him in interacting. One, it's just the solipsism then just put me off. Does anyone else feel? It was the only thing I didn't difficulty if for my four point nine nine review five, the only thing I didn't like was the end when this bio pics, wasn't known. And they say this is this is them now as well. They did. Yeah. Pages of these Belton now with his husband to twenty five years who hasn't done drugs. Just pictures on the screen. We know with all these loveliest of elm is called his great and he's raised Hoffa billion pounds raids et cetera. I know show, whether we need to know that on another films produced by David furnish. I could detect the hundred furnish. Too many real with all those things. The end didn't quite I didn't need that maybe on know everybody knows what John is doing. Right about the ending the ending is quite abrupt isn't it only finish? We, we end up with. I'm Clayton now on his the I'm still standing video of the really detect one of my favorites. Patched into the video, but it does end in a slightly Allen podgy needless to say how the last laugh thing, the, the crew it has been criticized but giving a pretty cruel treatment to dick James music publisher, who apart he was very nurturing, the father lead shop. He fell out without. Muscle just wish. By show favorite Stephen, we love. But apparently, we don't in the there was a bit of a case of a royalties never forgave him. And it does make you wonder how much Elton Grimm's going on there saying with the press. It's not reality is a fantasy musical base around Elton, John, but I still feel it's the Mimi, there's no context about other music was going on time watching it from Bowie all that stuff. I wanted some other people in the grudge against everybody, the, the grids against anybody. He doesn't know anymore doesn't want to do them. Bernie Taupin comes over the great not relationship is really fantastic and the logic that it's basically platonic love story with banning Elton. The best and, and sometimes exceeding sometimes failing, it's pretty harsh themselves though, but he literally does I started being account in nineteen seventy four never stopped. It was just honest. Isn't it? Next to we're going to see from Dexter Fletcher. Do you think Smith's my? This is vastly superior. Bohemian obviously, it's a bit of Filton shifts. Brian singer and made some Dexter flex that you began making, but. Faye is giving Brian Singa given. Needless to say, I had the last laugh for me on his much mobilization with that style of doing movie that you can pack an I didn't see by upstate because I've never liked Queen me. Neither any let's say for this show, it's kind of it's impressive, but it's kind of hollow, in that the real characters Freddie, Freddie. But then missing theme. Deafness people busting into song. I thought that was wonderful and could have been made slightly more weird point to it wasn't expecting. Yeah. Rookie Mong to be as it was, which was kind of dog, but I think that's tastic technique, and it would be great if applied to say the Smiths, which is you can use a musical number to kind of be like montage new water amounts of one of the sequences manages to get Elton moving from moderate start to enormous stardom from the UK America. What see his star is commencing the use of cocaine and a whole lot of other things into two minutes. Song musical thin. That's a really great way of packet, a huge amount of detail in out all weekend. This is not a not popular film. This is them in jail is John Reid is stroking, the commenced the relationship, which will end in old. Surprisingly John Reid. Stroking, the back of Elton's had these discussing combination, business and robots. And he just sort of pulls a couple of has out. It's just reference. The fact alums going bull. Yes. Cute. Isn't it yet? Yeah. Compared with the brutality in the horrible nece, the of, of the John Reid Caracciolo bars. What am I five tracks his Benny and the jets when he was really know his worst cocaine habit? Basically, it was just absurd, but absolutely fantastic. So that I'll do that in the movie. Yeah. Fell he would you like to Dexter Fletcher. Tackled next to he's not his, his motorcycle around my book your book. I think he could do. So essentially have actually, you know, the jemmy belly plays Benny Tolkien could probably pull off a decent philosophic Jin zone about me, Andrew, especially on the desk. It will be David I dunno less dust. The problem are real people in the ball. It could be anything that Stephen grandpa he he'd be Stephen Graham's all. Let's move on to the present day, a bit more music, usually I'll get to choose achieve when they come in this week. So does Shawn Shawn what if he goes what it's all about? I've got earthquake my Tyler the creator, the best pop star on the planet at the moment. Wisey the best. It was always really good. And he was of odd future, but he's a tough hip hop guy. I mean I it's, it's, it's gritty it's quite scare. He used to be this. You know, you really want to bump into him, doc Hollywood. I wouldn't because I'm quite Faye. But suddenly he came out. It took them a long time to come out as gay, and with that over the last few years, and this sort of celebrate his found this love of melody, he's made a soul record and the soul record is incredible. He dumped apparently will Smith's som- Dayton's, and now he's gone on whole week and he wasn't white suit, and he's got white DM's, and he's gonna mutt. The album is beautiful. It's full of this heartbreak. Suddenly this all this motion is pouring out. He's what Sloan, she's what with all of them, and it's a Mara, I'm slightly obsessed with Tyler crater now. I really I'm so of Mike is from the album and listen to it. It's just great burst. Get what you just told me. Interesting extraordinary mazing amazing artist. Let's quake. Quake by Tyler, comma, the creator. Finally, it's not twenty years is Richard. Holy packed in playing. Gets off the long, pigs vividly. Remember Phil savage, sending me solo album. I'm wondering what was the point of fact, smoke in teddy boy, nineteen ninety nine holiest? What am I favor answers to these me on the Monday, ROY orbison thing that was joking about Elliott, although he still has the same sensitivity and the ten thirty PM in the labor told voice going in the first place along the way he's written pajamas caucus, Tony Christie and Lisa Marie Presley he's been kind of father figure, the monkeys, if only they'd listen to closely and he's written the music present musical about his hometown, Sheffield further is eight thousand of high end ballads. I'm going to see what we think of them after this truck balloon. This. Across. The high end ballot alone used to work with. Holy did you always know he had it in that he had this, this sensitive side that would come out. I'm trying to think by that was very early. And I remember Richard really being in the long, pigs. Yeah. And then impose. Yeah. And I remember Richard always stunning up for the name long. Pigs even though I hasten terrible terrible name actually thinking killed that bound. Crispin get rid of name. But Richard stuck to his guns. So he's, you know, his own opinions. So that was good. I mean, nothing leverage at all is voice. His life is almost the anti Joan is nearly. She shuns the limelight. And you know it's not about these close, and it's about music, and that's it. And that's fine. But I mean this, there's a great truck truck in this what is is there a pill? That's my favorite track, because I've always wanted to be a pill to make you forget about everything. That's why I say. It's anyway, it's an enormously kind of a big wedding cake, sort of grandia ballot thing, and the pilling question is not, let's this pill and go mental of Saturday nights. It's like please make my middle-age woes go away. But I think that's what he's really good. I mean, this is one of the few artists able to, like ten my dad owns eight because it connects with fifties rock and roll, and sixties all that kind of thing lately, he's been, I mean, this is kind of a return to writing tight little songs that, you know, two minutes and fifty one because he's been on a economy in Sinclair, style herb and psychedelia thing with stunning sky's edge old, big long songs and ground. So to splurges of guitar, and this one's back to those problems, but logic songs. Well, do you think of Sean? You'll holy along. See I'm not really a wholly aficionado. He's one of those people that own in the background, kind of Alabama we but obviously it he does. He does it spent like he's not going to just suddenly jump out and do something different. I liked it, but I only light, it doors is a beautiful song, which is the last song. I really enjoyed that. But a lot of them seem very similar. Very similar tempo is all in the same sort of range, so it can drift in and out a bit. Even forget, you're listening to is one of those mind in, but is not dumbing in truck models. Register which is well, which are presumed vice children, but might be a little. Mambi apparently. And this is I discovered this by top research by reading the press release. And apparently, it's about friends of the songs been kicking around since about two thousand seven. It's about friends of his dad, who died in two thousand seventeen you run into again. And so they've like trying to think about his dad, throughs downs. Mates housing does made him fail. Because he was really close to his father and his father was part of will on the roads in music. And that sort of thing of them, you know, all the bits of life that maybe don't really pay close attention that perhaps, you should pay closer attention because they're going to be gone quickly, what I find really. I mean, say in shawny bit background, I wonder whether you had to be a blow as really because his music, does get me probably where I live. It's like it reminds me at the moment that he's play when I was a kid that sort of mixture of radio to family favorites thing, even be sort of pre rock and roll music with big grand, ballads, Sundays at the palladium hole. He would often play full of big velvet curtains disappear. Record reminds me of, you know, when he was trying to. I mean obviously, I'm a massive fan and then to join the eighties, he was trying to become a bit more rock n roll while child stuff. Riches voice reminds, we've eighties, I think, really divine comedy in there somewhere. It's a it's a bit slow you know, obviously the kind of inspirations of radiation, rock and roll. It's, it's putting Holly even go with me on this one. I think there's been a max Bygrave. King of cheese and it was terrible. Terrible musical was grains voice. What about entertainment? I love Gordon Lightfoot. And I can see what he's trying to do. But yes, maybe it just misses the, the Sean would also definitely he, he made a record with Tony Christie, Tony Christie's one of those British made light into into more than something society. And I think he's an he's also joking about ROY orbison, he kind of as a reincarnation someone else's stopped me from this. This is basically a MARCY record without says Morrissey run without Morrissey. It's everything that made Moore's he's music. Good before MARCY himself became so personally repellents and you've got that. So a fifties feel you've got beautiful like nimble expressive guitar playing and the occasional bunion Raka, you feel you've been transposed into of neglected Britain. Scanning here, this the self hatred is the edge that Morrissey has from the early records. I don't get here. I get lots of smooth over. I know he's thinking about heartbreaking complicated things, but it is very smooth sounding irrespective Motors current actually, I'm tired of self loathing that drives it because the cones is agent like mellow. No. You just full two pieces in different ways. I should've been manager. Yeah. Not truck. You mentioned Dole's. You've opened up the doors of your mind raw the cosmic for shop. Again, it doesn't sound. It's very men dealing with feelings, which is a big difficult thing on his grimace. Do you have like this? I think he would. Yes. Yeah. Probably would be to wearing dressing gowns around the shallow. But I think little voice. Tracks. Yes. Roy orbison died, very young. Fifty fifty two fifty two. Actually, my thought he was a radio man. And that's quite scary, then fifty was fifty two. No. I just described earlier in the show. They smoked the heads off. You know, triple heart bypass ten years before. So an smoked like chimneys wasn't it? Anyway, I like the rigid. Holy album and I commend it to the listless from. It's time for another June. This time, it's Joyce fell. Well, it's funny, you should say that because obviously, I knew Chuck, I wanted to play, and then realize now you want me to know something about the band. Fat white family feet. Remind me of the happy Mondays if that'd be we're recording music now scuzzy rock and I think, mainly because it uses a Caucasian in it, and I can't think of any of the songs that do that really. They've, obviously a member of the Bank cord white. So as a member called Mr. fat as well. Don't know to be really but yeah, I really like track. So I hope you do too funky old savage imperative Dolan them. Well, that's funny because I was just thinking yesterday that this is what a made up because towards the end of the Brit pop thing when I got bored, I made up with punts pond life and them in Ponce spit up for for sexual differences. Am but they were campaign the upon life. I'm just splits up because you're boring specs up because journeys remember going, we, we've written something in the gossip about them. But can we ever music now? So I thought this is getting ridiculous. Fat white family, like a made up salvaging best bound state amazing his feet to buy fat white family. Coming to the end of the show, which means closing time Chata, what will, I guess be discussing over the ball of Mets Will Smith off ice on the steps of the good makes it with any from elastic, or Johnny from men's show. Your closing time shots this week. I went to see favorite of mine lake heyday forty seven last week. Have I Britain ever, she didn't realize it was incredible? It was in London's trendy hawks. And in the end the fifteen people vogue ING up. It very, very wonderful. But I got I'm getting to that age. I'm thinking, I'm, I'm the granny on the ground down the front. And it made me think where rave Guan. Now. Do you remember when used to go places and there's always an eight year old with plastic flowers and she's going to be there from the start to the finish of the evening, probably not take lots of drugs? But from indicates to proper raves and warehouse things in Clapham. You'd see the rave grannies. I mean, presumably some of them may have died sorry to say that. Listen attrition lifestyle news, generation of rave rave, grungy dot com. I mean here we could go, you know, started people together, the social media, something like that. And big swell, because where are you when you are getting a little bit older? Everybody's eighteen gig. It some difficult. But yeah, I support group may be people at me. We frequently did what I was doing mixed, Mark. We would often do the feature about old clamours. Let's meet some old clover. He's fifty years old. Credible. Mazing thing he may well die old age in the middle of appearance. So you are actually, I was that guy. Yeah. It's happened to us. Now if what if I could be controversial and do the same closing time. Twist, which is I think now they have raves administers sound where the people doing aerobics the entire time to music with no drugs, alcohol out. That's really interesting. And I also that many rave granny's, if they exist is since lot different way. I know some people who took a lot of drugs in the nineties. I went to a beef or a lot and now go to be park and, and just basically pump to music on their own, and that's their way of getting that dumps stick. So I think that's where of gun so already saying that what we thought raving was the point in the central tenets of the whole the whole carry on. But actually raving was just one way of doing the thing that you needed to do, which is overload, your body and get a bit of a sweats or do some aerobics. That's right. Music didn't didn't take over America for quite some time because XY was so expensive fifty credit topples experiences. How do you take part in the collective experience when you get older and everyone's younger because you get that euphoria with, you know, you'd have the water and all that sort of thing, but you still need to go out and get that little transcend freely. I think yoga raves and breakfast, reasonably says your disgrace they should coming to all my closing Jutta is an amazing threat on, on the Twitter by TV companies writer. Amanda debates teen titans. Go Batman, seventy seven. And she just asked what's cool family history. That, you know, just following this. I'm the stiffler came out will blow your mind everything from the woman who described had had grandmother was going to hospital to give birth to model the car packed up, and that great grandmother, tried to flag down to the hospital, and they were given a lift to the hospital by young couple of cold, and Bonnie and CLYDE to putting CLYDE of they'll the reason the. Family exist at all Bonnie, and CLYDE took hospital all the other guy, I mean, all those America's woman's followings, American, m the guy, whose grandfather, great grandfather of the hat, dago up the body of his, great, grandma and transported across America because he notice a hold onto his ranch, you had to have a wife on the property. Carrie? What somebody else said that they were related to Joel Robert point set diplomat. Well-traveled on the first US minister of Mexico after whom the point sets is named. And then she posted a picture of him, and he's a dead sp- Joe Stroman, Joe store was the first US Mexico invented the points. So I have my own my own family Clinton. My NAN east to work in the prince with George Harrison's, mom, and Georgia's mama's was an object of pity for a look ELLs on the lungs. So awful head. You'll just joined a group and they've gone to Germany, definitely going to become a drug addict and die. And they thought it was the worst thing that ever happened until judge came back from Hamburg Cuban heel boot full of five pound notes. And after that all goes on the Georgia's the best one in the. He was. So I added that was beaten I'm gonna put it on Facebook page, and all social media, you can add your own because it needs more of a UK by on this. I loved, which was minor details that getting bigger and bigger about people's families, for instance, that would say, why are you going to buy trousers? We've got plenty of. No, my favorite expressions just fill lexical Ming in the book on a world tour, and then counsel dates like element, exactly voted council today entirely entertaining read lunch with wealth and says available in bookshops you right now and fills gonna stick around with the extra bits. Choose our personal highs and lows, the Britpop era patriot people, the expert will be with you soon. Thanks for listening. 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No Player Is Worth What Theyre Getting Paid. Its The Market.

The GM Shuffle

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No Player Is Worth What Theyre Getting Paid. Its The Market.

"And GM shuffle is back. It's avian Lombardi rate of breakdown all that you need to know in the world the NFL, but also how about the NBA last night. I we're gonna talk about Kevin Durant. Israel's achilles Mike. Just give us your first thought, which is the fact. Why don't these bloody games? Start earlier man, I can't stay awake. It's hard. Like I got to take a nap in game. I mean it's embarrassing. I it's really hard. How do you do it? Like I have all good intentions to, like I get there. I'm ready to go. I'm wired in. I got Mark Jackson for ten minutes before the game, which is tough to take as it is right? What do you think of his outfit last God like seriously no mirrors available for the game? There's two things when you grow up a beach town you like when you go, the beach remember that Miller lite commercial where you like the guy was sitting on the beach, and he hit his beer, and the girl would walk past them again. Well, there's, you want that element when you go the beach. But then the also wanted like you ask, like you deserve a ticket. Like how many times had did you look in the mirror before you came to the beach? Like seriously like there should be like a beach enforce. I'm giving you a ticket for that bathing suit today. If we have beach tags, the beach they should have beach tickets. Right. This nobody that got to tell them like I don't think it works. Sure. Look tonight. Yeah. But I mean like last night, I mean, I feel badly for Kevin Durant. Like I don't understand how people think he had pulled calf and he tours achilles because of it like I think achilles tear just because they town, right? I don't think it had anything to do with the calf. I think it's just called age right? Wherein tear on your body, now it'll come back stronger than it ever did before, but it's still going to be a problem. It's could be interesting to see who's. Got the balls to max him out and no one. That's you know what I mean? Who's got it right? The first year. You got nothing you got nothing. No. You could just write it off. I mean, basically he's gonna sit next to you. Like I mean, not takes balls. Right. It'll be the Knicks they'll give two hundred million dollars. No problem back, but whenever let's dive as a minute felt so we'll get back to Durant in the second and related to the NFL. But first and foremost, the jets hiring eagles Joe Douglas as their new GM. This was the guy who had been rumored to be the choice. And you had said it was going to happen, because he was a little bit, not in the out to Philadelphia kinda wanted to change questions is some of the names being mentioned, Phil savage, chat Alexander, the rumored names could join them and also Todd. Mcshay, my old, buddy from his speech and could be in the make Todd and him were college roommates Richmond. So, you know, I think I think that whole look Todd can't sit at the big boys table on draft day on Thursday night. I mean he's like rubber thanksgiving where you gotta sit at the little kids table. Well, target the kids table, thanksgiving dinner. I mean that's not fair to tie. Ties work at his ass off. Mel's up there. You know. So I get see. We're Todd would say you know what? I wanna get with guys got a six year contract. You know, maybe it's time for me to just break away from this. I can't seem to Sirte the Todd, I can't get past you know. You know, Mel every time I turn around ties with almost think Siamese twins like never not together, right? So I think if he has a chance to go with Joe. I would suspect it. I mean, savage fills always going to fill was in Baltimore with Joe. That's where he started out. I'm sure Phil hired Joe. So I think Phil would like nothing more than to be an area scout. Live in mobile Alabama cover the southeast conference. Get to go to a bunch of different games. I think that would make Phil happy at this point. I mean he left a senior bowl, because he wanted to do more things he wanted to go run that XFL tea or whatever that poli league team was he wanted to do that. But for the most part, I think he'd be content to just like working area and do that. I mean look, I tell you one thing I give Joe Douglas for have you seen the have you seen. He's got incredible press, like he gets incredible press. I mean he's never made a pick, but he gets credible press my hats off to them. I really think it goes back to earth Dacosta school. I think if Joe Biden, we're smart, he hierarchy Costas campaign manager he'd win the he win the he wouldn't easily. But. Joe Biden needs prone to gaffes all the time. He'll make a gap. I don't care. I don't care the PR that comes out of those guys in Baltimore is fricken remarkable hits remarkable. Like they went to a school like look, I'm not saying, Joe Douglas's and very good. And I'm not jealous or they just say, they get incredible PR like the one thing I've learned in life. If you don't make a mistake as an area scout. You'd never learned anything like you can't do anything and I think I remember one time I wrote about the book where guys omitting taking credit for all these players. I was at UNLV last week. I got a picture Randall cutting him in this guy was telling me, how rental Cunningham was the disaster. We should never picked them and seven years later, he writes me a letter saying, you know what I was the reason why we picked around him. Okay. Really brutal? Seriously? I mean, come on what can you tell you about chat Alexander? He's also on the names that could be part of Joe Douglas, and the I think it's going to go back to that Baltimore days, it's going to be interesting. I think Joe is he was brought up in the Baltimore system, which that. Baltimore system has ties in the winglets system. Now Ozzy modified it when Ozzy was first with us when he came up stairs when he was a player? He came up stairs. And he worked as a special system, whatever he was, but he learned the New England Patriots system. He learned the Cleveland Browns scouting mountain, and then he, and savage when they went to Baltimore rebel check, and I got fired and they all went to Baltimore. They kind of kept that emplaced utilized that savage is more of the grading system of tell me the round. So he's an old school scout. So I think all those guys that are in that integrated in that system, I think done it. Now, when when Douglas went to Philadelphia that system kinda was in place there, because of a guy named Ed manna, which who's now an agent at CA used to be there. He kind of put it in, and I think, Joe attitu- it, so they're system based, and I think any guy that understands the system, I think we'll go with them other personal decisions after firing. Their GM Brian gain. We're the Texans go from here. What did you make this decision? Well, I think this, I think when you look at this, it's pretty. Clear. I think it came down to, you know, they hired guy named Jackie's to be who was with us in New England Jackson a really a very good team builder. And Jack is a minister he has a fellow he has he has a church and he also understands football. And so he kinda got after the patriot thing his contract was up. He never was at the end at the patriots. He got full-time but I was there, he would come into or three days a week and then leave he got this gig. He had about four or five job interviews around the league. You know, Miami because Brian Flora's Houston. He got this job. Now, the dynamic is when he got the job in Houston, he reports to count McNair, Billy O'Brian reports to comic now. So those two guys report to the owner to me, this seems really like they wanna hire Nick Cesario now whether they can or not the last time when Nick was when they wanted to talk to Nick before that the patriots were in the playoffs, and there was the basically said, no now all they have. To do is prove that Nick will have control of the fifty three and they can't deny it. Now Nicot say he doesn't want to do it, but my sense of this is the way they've done this. They interviewed Ray farm or the interviewed Martin Mayhew. So they took care of the Rooney rule, initially. So now it tells me that they're ready and prime to hire Nick, if they want to do that, and I wouldn't be surprised if it took the job. I think at I think there's always a time where you have to change and New England Scott Monty and they've got Dave Ziglar. They're both two guys who have worked really hard for bell check. I think both guys will do a really good job if Nick were to leave. I think they've got pieces in place. But I think the dynamic in Houston is interesting. I think that Easterby has really become a power broker down there. I think he's in charge of a lot of things and reports to count McNair, who, by the way is very spiritual self. So I'm sure they get along really, well interesting development. Sara Houston meantime on the field. Minnesota Vikings to coward Allston statement hat and Minnesota, excuse me, the pearly signing a four year. -ext. Attention. I signed this deal the Sammy the Vikings being the three day mandatory minicamp. So the deal Mike thirty six million dollars of four years, the new deal expect to lower is cap it of seven point six two five, which would help the Vikings their current salary cap situation. They had less than one point three million caps, as prior to negotiate the terms of the deal. So how does this acquaint for both for Rudolph and from the team through something with Rudolf because they weren't going to be able to afford their rookies if they didn't do something had to create some kind of capital. Now, this really affects the team in two thousand twenty I mean, this is really they'll fit them in they basically with her saying, we want to keep this team together, and we'll deal with two thousand twenty when we get there when they get the two thousand twenty you know, they're already at one hundred eighty eight million dollars of the cap. So they're already kind of bustled up there. They've got they're going to have Kirk cousins will be thirty one million Stefan digs on account it fourteen and a half million Daniel hunters at fourteen. I mean, they're going to have three six nine. They're going to have eleven players, not counting. Not counting. Rudolph over ten million dollars. Now Everson Griffen can come off their cap so they could get rid of him. Joe Joe Linval. He said, thirteen point three on the cap. So, you know, they've got an expensive team then owner has put money where it is. But what they did here with this contract is basically they said, look, we Maoz will extend them will go to buy this thing out. It'll be cousins last year of the deal, we're going to give this team a chance to run and we'll see where we are. If if in two years, they don't do it. They're going to start all over again. Right. So like you said it could be there to twenty twenty three but that's guaranteed depending things the Vikings. Yeah. No. I mean, look, they gotta make decision. I mean this cousins, he's thirty one million it two thousand twenty the next two years. It's what it's all about. I mean it's really all about Minnesota Minnesota has to put it together for the next two years if they don't that I think it's going to be problematic for them, but they have to put it together, the next two years at not, I think it'll be tough because they're everything on the fact that cousins is going to be able to lead them down the problem. Slanted? Look they kept their team together their wives much better. And like I said, Gary kubiak comes in there. I think that makes down and cook, much better. I think it makes office much better. And if they play from infront, which is what kubiak specialty is to build that lead with Mike Zimmer third down defense. This is going to be a really hard team to play and talk when a guy you believe in the eagles that with Carson Wentz, one hundred twenty million dollar extension, including one hundred seven point nine million guaranteed. That's sixty six million due at signing that can escalate to one hundred and forty four million the total. The now six years for one fifty four can go to a max of one seventy those seem like big numbers. But honestly, like a science is going to give that minded Nick foles. It's not like there's another franchise quarterback lurking. He's their guy. I know injuries have been a concern for couple of years, but when he's been affective he's been tremendous to me, it seems like a no brainer all the way around. It said no brainer for me. I mean, I look, the, the one that you've got to accept the fact that it's going to get more and more expensive. And when you can nip it right now and you can cut your law. Losses. This is what happens. So many times I would walk into Modell's office and say, hey, it's going to cost us X amount. The sign this all never sign that player for that much, of course, naturally signs them for twice as much because you negotiate against yourself, right? You go shit against yourself. You sit there and say he's not worth that. Well, he's not worth it to be honest with, you know, players worth what they're getting paid. It's the market. Once you accept it that it's the market you gotta get past it. You know. And so you realize that it's only gonna go up you end up negotiating against yourself. I mean I talked to a bunch of basketball guys lately, and they were talking about how Bill walkie Buxton wanna sign this player or Jason Kidd, was talking about how he thought would it needed a sign this player? And of course, the bucks ownership said now. No, we're not. It's too much. Now they want to sign up right? It's like that's initial reaction is so hard. I think the eagles are smart to be progressive. They sign wins. I think the interesting ones going to be really is what do the Rams do with golf. They're going to sign off. There's no doubt. They're going to sign off. But what do they pay Goff? And before we read on PF t-, what it's worth, right? We're going to see some one of the guys will come out and say Jared Goff decide a six year, two hundred million the highest paid time outlets analyze the contract. Let's see, really what's it? And let's see if it's year to year where it's truly guaranteed deal for four if it's a guaranteed for three, I think, Goth get signed. But I think there's going to be triggers in that deal where the Rams could get out, if they had to could be interesting. See he does, especially this season after spa. It was so bright a season ago. And now we go back to our Kevin Durant topic off the topic, but we'll make it relented the NFL in this instance Mike, so you're playing a superstar player less than one hundred percent elimination game. So he's going on the free agent market. Bad injury understand the NBA NFL, two different rhythms. But honestly, if you were the GM the warriors last night's a must-win game it's an elimination game you could lose rent the off season. How tricky is that to let the guy play versus not? I mean last op. Officers the worst case scenario and then he played was affected and Kelly's, but I think your point is clear, which is that it was a calf injury, which was much worse than any of us realize the achilles isn't related to that. But, but bomber he wasn't hundred percent and that's when freak injuries occur. No doubt. And I think that look the one thing you, you have to do is no matter what the level of the game is if the trainer says the kid is going to get hurt for you. Can't play the guy you got to back them off. I don't get that sense. I got the sense before the game when when Mark Jackson was doing silicon for that bad suit that it was really about, you know, that Durant told them when he was going to play, like, I think a lot of people thought Durant was gonna play in game four I wasn't sure I think this is one of those where look, I think, move this thing forward, who pays them the money who risked it for now. You know, it'll be a two year deal, because I'm going to pay you a lot of money for one year. Why rehab you? And then I'm gonna you're gonna come back. So I can't imagine some is going to give him a five-year max deal. But just hypothetic. Weekly say you're the Lakers, assign them an offer a two year deal knowing you're going to get them in the second year. And what are you getting? I mean, I think when you watch boogie cousins and you see he's coming off the achilles. What he looks like how does he play? I mean watching Durant last night in warm ups during the, the game starts at nine but we don't tip off till nine ten like do we really need to go? Ten extra minutes. Watch Shelby toe and Jalen, we've just watched them for a half hour. Right. Like, can't we just tip it off at nine zero one? I mean much. I love the I love. Oh canada. I can listen to that national anthem all the time. But I mean, do I really have to seriously like shouldn't have be all done before the pageantry except when you look at eleven fifty when you're going to bed and sixty percent of the population lives east of Chicago? You people people descend, look just go to YouTube at the end of the night. I mean, I do it, but I go to YouTube today, you can go to YouTube, you type in raptors warriors, and you can watch every made basket on YouTube. Now. What's wrong with that? You know, it's a lot more economical or do what you do take a nap during the game deals, Baca third quarter. Like I can't, you know. You know, it's funny, you know, your old, but I was a kid I went over this gym, and one of my buddies filled out his father was joined the gym, and they put down his goal. And so instead of the father, putting the goal that the sun put in his goal is to stay awake past eight thirty man we left our asses off. That's actually my goal now is to stay awake past eight thirty. It's a win. In terms of non NFL stories of the serious story involving the Red Sox legend David Ortiz, he was stable after a shooting in the Dominican Republic. This we stunning Mike working on change up our baseball show, and design we were just astonished but wait poppy got shot by in the back at nearly point blank range. This was Sunday night. The good news is stable condition. They flew the Dominican Republic to Boston now. But you talk about a larger than life personality beloved in baseball. I mean president Brock Obama's tweeting, Adam. I mean this was this was a scary woman. You hear poppy was shot. Yeah. No. I mean that's really and something's going on at the Dominican Republic. I mean something's happening. I don't understand it like something's going on there. And I you got to be concerned about that. And thankfully, he's okay. But you hear somebody get shot in the back and they're not paralyzed, how lucky are you? Yeah. I mean, God, you know, count your lucky stars. I think the other topic that has been Beatty around that, you know that we haven't talked about on this show that I've been keeping track. I'm going. Next week on Thursday. It'll be forty nine days since it came out, but the tyreek hill thing. Yeah. You know, now, we're hearing that the investigation is closed that they've concluded that the young child was arm wasn't broken by either parent. But yet he had Welson bruises on his body, and he's in protective custody. So I it's going to be fascinating to see what actually the league does with this one. We know he came into league with Noah suspension, you know, we don't cracks me up is people actually get mad at me on Twitter for counting like this child involved in this, right? Like, can't you separate your fandom to the welfare of a kid kids, still not back with either parent nowadays. The parents have split up, but I'm going to be fascinated to see where a league that deemed pumping up footballs as horrendous crime, which was never proven, by the way. To child abuse case, which is still ongoing. I mean, the civil they're still looking into it. I wonder how the league's going to handle this. I really do. Yeah, you're right. And it's been a continuing saga just a bad. Look, it goes back to the Chris Roger Goodell as they didn't act swiftly noth-. And in so doing, even when he does the punishments are non binary just doesn't make sense, when you add it all up. No. And people say, well, you don't talk about the Robert Kraft. Look, the Robert Kraft, there's a due process with that, right. I'm not suggesting that there's not. Okay. And I'm I'm suggesting whatever happens. However, what this is we know a child is with this parent, and somebody at we know that this guy entered the National Football League without having to serve one day suspension for being thrown out of Oklahoma state to me, I think that, that should give the Commissioner enough to say, wait a minute. Hold on. There's something here and then we've kind of forgotten about that video that audio tape. How do you forget that, that was Pergola, chilling parts of it right here, then go, my God? How can this guy behavior like that? And then we suspended Adrian Peterson got suspended for spanking his child, which, you know, I mean, there's precedent here. So I just think this is going to be interesting. I think this whole notion that they're not investigated doesn't mean that there's something didn't happen. Yeah, I knew right. We're just going to wait and move. When this comes up a day, free nine that's crazy to me when you the fact that you mentioned it's been that long. Speaking of players checkered pass and pass it like to forget toning. That'd be Johnny Menzel these interested in playing for Houston. The XFL the free agent quarterback saying he wanna play for the Houston team because you could plan his home state be reunited with coach June Jones, he discussed the XFL possibilities of multiple reporters. Also, by the way, Mike, Mikey went to John Menzel for a little bit. He's trying for four or five days just didn't fit rights. He's back to being Johnny again. Not quite Johnny football. What do you think if you're the XFL, if you're Houston Manziel shot? I mean look, I think that's what the lease selling itself on the fact that they can develop quarterbacks. I mean look at the -troit's backup quarterback situation. They cut Connor. Yesterday. They signed David fells, who's bounced around the league numerous times from San Jose State, and they have Tom savage. I mean, there's a dire need. There's a huge void for backup quarterbacks being developed, and I think that if you're that league and you've got funding by the, the owner of the league, which is only one man, you know, there's Vince McMahon, I think you take a chance. And if the kids, just pisses down his leg does something that's inappropriate, you get rid of them. I mean, look, you know, he's entitled to a another chance. I mean he went up to Canada. I'm not saying he played well up there, but you take a look at them and see what is this league needs somebody now he's going to have to prove it over and over again, because nobody's going to touch him, if he doesn't Baumlin, maybe it gives you a bit of sizzle, and like you said, it's a risk for war rights, low risk where you're not expecting much. See, they actually gives you something congratulations. Those back, even better. I mean, they're going to have to find quarterback something Garrett Gilkey was in that the league and hell he can't even hold a job in the NFL. They're going to have to find quarterbacks. Do it now. Garrett Gilkey played for June Jones at SMU. So we'll see what hap-. I mean, he was the kid came in the Texas game. You know, when Texas when when the US was playing a fill in I think for he filled in for my man, and now I think he filled in for my man in Colt McCoy McCoy got hurt in that game. And then he came in and filled in McCoy at the Redskin got hurt. Isn't that like one sentence? You say Colt McCoy got hurt ever say that. It's evergreen, meaning use it any exactly those, those are the topics GM shuffled shift or what we've been doing here, as far as divisions. We turn our attention towards AFC west going over under peon. Peon curves of these Super Bowl odds. So we start Mike with the chiefs. They are six to overall to win it all three to one to win the division and the over under which is what you would like to focus on ten and a half your boy, patch homes back again. Ready to throw forty plus touchdowns when other MVP Andy Reid offense ten and a half you taking the over under. No, I'm leaning here. Like I think what you have to do. If you're if you're an analyst here is you have to say hills gonna miss some games. So I'm going to I think they get to ten. I don't think they get to ten and a half. So I mean for you to make money. You've gotta sit there and say they're not going to be eleven win team. I don't see him as an eleven win team. I think because they're going to have to I mean hill. I think he's gotta get suspended right? I mean he's gonna have to now have they improved on defense. I haven't seen it we're going to have to see whether they've improved because the one thing I do know about St. spike Knowle's defense. They talk about all the blitz it, they'll be some free access touchdowns, because they're gonna make some mental mistakes defensively, I can promise you that. I know they got the Honey badger back there to shifted around say, okay, he can make the right calls. But to me, no running back, if they lose hill, all the burdens on Sammy Watkins Mahomes is gray that defense still isn't a problem. I say they ten win team out. Tyreek hill doesn't get suspended. The I do think they went eleven. How about the charges sixteen to one win at all? Eight twenty win. The division over under it nine and a half. How much Philip rivers have left as he's eyeing forty dot quite yet there. But charges or anything I love this over I love this one over. I love love the defense. Yeah. I, I think the defense is good. I think it'll be stronger this year, if they could keep both on the field the whole time. I mean him and Melvin Ingram or problem the block their corner situation. I think has gotten better and look there are good football team. Their offensive line has to get better. But I think they will I like them. They don't have any bonehead plays what they went twelve games last year. So you're asking a team to take a three game to game step back. I think they get to. Wins. I do. I do think they get the ten wins. It's crazy. Lassitude twelve wins. And you go either gonna get the once the five seat of his so. In those twelve wins, you could have easily said they could have won a couple of those games if they just managed the game. Right. I think the fascinate makes the chargers team over is there so damn good on the road. They stink at home because they don't have a home field, but they're really good on the road. They developmental toughness that way. Yeah. It's like you're in LA. And nobody even cares Rams. Whatever, like nobody charges goes have the raiders have more fans than there when they play speaking of the Broncos forty two one to win the AFC eighty to one to win it all over under here of seven. So this really this question, like, how much do you believe in show, flack how much more does he have left? Now's the Broncos quarterback. John Elway tries a different guy Anderson. I think if they don't win eight games. I think they're all going to be disappointed. I think the reason I like the over here is, I think Vic Fangio will coach them. I think they'll be a five hundred team. I defensive coordinator of the bears. Now, he's the guy I think they'll make them. I think they'll run the ball. I think they'll play concert. Flacco won't throw many dropback passes. I think they'll throw the ball down the field. Are they trying to make big plays run the ball and the women defense? I, I like him. I don't like them. I don't like him an eighty to one but I like him to win games. I think there are Nate Nate team. So they're five hundred. Here's a question. We've all been waiting for your Oakland Raiders, eighty to one to win it all forty two one AFC fourteen to one to win the division and six wins over under. I mean, if you are a raider fan and you spent all this money you gotta think you're winning more than six games, don't you? Absolutely. You can't tell me it's not talent. Right. I mean I can't I can't sit here and say to you. Well, you know, I mean when you start to receivers that at a right tackle, you know they've got running backs. I mean, they've got all this conglomeration of people, I mean at some point, don't you think they should at least win nine games like they can't cry. They can't cry poor anymore. They take a guy the fourth pick overall in the draft, who nobody had going there because they wanted to pick him. I mean, to me, I think the way they built this team. You're saying. Hey, there, forty two one to win the west fourteen to one to win the division. I mean think about that. They're fourteen to one to win the division and they have the same odds as, as Denver does to win the AFC. That's pretty crazy. So bottom line is if you're a raiders death big in the over. Do you think the over, then I seventy seven at night. I if the raiders don't win eight games, you got to me if the raiders win. Eight games, you say, wait a minute, what's Gruden doing coaching now because the because look at all these players right, everybody now, I think it's a conglomerate, I think it could self struck easily because I think of Tonio Brown even if they win if he has to catches, you know, and they win he might be pissed off. I mean, the Vegas is saying to us with these odds that they're clearly there, clearly not sold on on this coming together as a unified group. And I think what they're also saying here is look at this Derek Carr, they're not sold on and are not sold on Joe. Flacco, right? We're skipping fan. Breakout kickers. Right. We don't really care about actually, I think it's fascinating. Did you see where the bears are having their what they call it their lambo moment, where there were there bring everybody out in the organization to test tastic, right? What a great idea, right? I mean, they're trying to put so much pressure on the kicker to see if he can kick it. But at the end of the day, like like, is that really like I think it's more about you miss kit. And this kick is either you're gonna. You know, when you got misses a kick, like you say to yourself, well, you know, the next we're going to get one more chance. That's a lot of pressure for a week. That's on your ass. Right. And then you go lineup. Like we had matched over when he first started when Bella check came to Cleveland match Stover was a draft pick. I think he was a twelfth round or a late draft pick of the giants. And they stash them on I are they pretended he was hurt. And so then plan B came into effect so we signed him the great Jim Steiner the agent of the stars. We signed him. And we brought him in and he had great leg and Bill love them. Everything was good. Well, the first couple of games he was, like, not so good. You know. And I'm like, I don't know about Bill, you. Sure about should we bring so we change long snappers to Brian kitchen? Third game of the year missed a big kick. And we could have had a chance to pull it out and we didn't. So we go the fourth game. And now we gotta play Cincinnati at home. And he's gotta make the kick. And this is a classic Art Modell. You know, art Modell's theory of kicking if we make this kick. I'll give you everybody organization gets a ten year contract extension. If we miss it, everybody's fired. I mean that's how dramatically. That's how nothing all right. So Stover drills it. And then from there, he was there, there was never a moment. But I think when you simulate that moment like that moment of a week of pressure, not just a moment of pressure. Like there has to be consequential pressure on you to perform. And that's what I'm worried about like to me. I don't know if anybody's going to feel good about the bears kicker until playoff time. It was incredible. Like, what I think back what happened giving eagles. I mean that was just it was unreal. The drama like you said inherent and that bears team Fiqh Fancher defense. I mean it's you're right. It definitely has reprecussions, if they all come out and they watch it. They're not. I think it has to be that ongoing residual pressure of the week of going. Home and your girlfriend or your wife say how you doing. And you know, you're in the tank like that's where it on. You, you know, it's like, like, if you ever listen to Mickelson, or some of those golfers that play, you know why they just let it go right? And if the kicker, let's go, maybe you got a good one. I don't know. I, I have a feeling the bears have to go with a veteran kicker. Like if I were the bears, I would find the best short range kicker that I possibly could. And then just say screwed on fourth. I'm not trying to any long field goals. I'll put the ball in the great Mitchell Trubisky hands with scare the shit out. That I that I see more on just gonna kick forty yards and under hit those kicks and we're fine. You know, we should there should be like a site like the dumbest tweets of the day. Right. Right. Like I read a tweet one time by somebody said has Mitchell Trubisky become the best quarterback in the NFC north, like, are these people blind. They're just looking for clicks, Mike just stupidity looking for. It's like what Howard Stern you'd ever. This is one of my favorite Howard, Stern stores, Howard Stern when the pope was coming to Manhattan Howard Stern sent baba buoy out on the street and started asking people. Do you think it's fair that mayor Bloomberg's asking all the Jews to leave Manhattan, because the pope's coming and people answer the question? People ask the question. Well, you know what it really is? It's ridiculous. I never liked Bloomberg. I anyway, meanwhile, Bloomberg Jewish. She's not leaving town. They never put two together. It's true menace, what we're at fell topic. Your articles about possible space, the NFL. So in terms of cities, that are viable possible cities, my hometown of Toronto. You got Chicago baby a second team. Saint Louis team back Portland. San diego. Oakland, Montreal Oklahoma City any of these teams jump out to you, Mike. There should be an NFL city there. I was talking to some of the other day. And I think that because I went to speak to you and Lovie, their coaches, and I was in Vegas, and I was just like the first of all the raiders stadium's going to be incredible. And LV has incredible facilities. If people say, yes, but it's, how do you send kids the UNLV the strip so damn expensive? They can't know college kid can go hang out on the strip. You're not going to some strip club in Vegas. If you're in college, you can't afford to pay the covering it in the goddamn place. So. You know, and so anyway, so I think to me, you know, Vegas was a gold mine that the raiders just really figured it out the one that I have a hard time is like I don't understand London. Like we can get the London quickly like I would go to London, I think London's should be one of those before. Montreal, I think Toronto. But I think it's gotta be buffalo, is that market big enough to handle teams Toronto and buffalo San Diego deserves? It'll do they deserve. Another team. Oakland. I don't see that happening because of the bay area Portland would be an interesting team sitting Peterson. Portland. Seattle gonna rivalry there you get fancier, vague. Coober coming down. I mean Portland emerging power in Oklahoma City, little small college town. Right. Don't you think that like the Sooners? You know I'm gonna go to Vancouver this week, I have to speak in Vancouver which I'm Jack for I never been Vancouver before. But I would think to me that, that northwest Portland, like some really die hard fans there. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that could be a place or I would go to London, I think there should be a team in London. Jacksonville has fans. But seriously when you look at this, like I was when I was last week, I had somebody from Australian rules football spend time with me, and, and it was amazing. How, how popular that sport is like you could see the passionate is European countries have and pro football. I would definitely think about. Yeah, it'd be interesting and you right in terms of travel now five hours like traveling in the right away. You're playing acclimated to it. It's it would be a challenge shifts in the west coast teams. But. We'll see what happens last topic, your for you. I'm related to football, Mike. The sopranos June tenth two thousand seven that's right. This past Monday was the anniversary of the twelve year anniversary of the season finale, which I had to go back and rewatch the final episode all the different clothes and stuff. So Tony soprano's houses for self three point four million. Apparently, it's while price a lot of houses of similar style in the area are going between one point five and two million. But the owners listen, I mean Tony soprano was here, three point four million. They said all the stories Mike Baynes that go there and they've by the Newark star-ledger, and they just put it on the on the driveway. Dick fincher wearing a bathrobe. I would do that. Absolutely bottom lines where were you where were you in the finale happened? Do you remember what your reaction was Oakland, California million? I read a party with a guy named Joey, the toast nicknamed Joey the toes because he loved the drink to kill and everytime. He drank to kill. He wanted to make a toast, my dear friend, Pat Nolan and his wife. We were all there. And when it went black, everybody thought the TV when I'm still perplexed. I count still this at the time I was angry with God, come on. Like it's a cop out. We don't know what happens. But now in retrospect, it's brilliant, because chased left open to interpretation, which was gutsy. I mean it seems like everything in my life, never gets explained. Like I can't figure out what American pie means. I don't I don't know who killed. I got no ending on the sopranos like these things are starting up, but I'm getting older, and I'm not answering any like, I'm not at least Carly Simon told me what you're so vain was about, thanks for very much. But I mean like I'm getting old here. I gotta get some of this shit answered before the bottom line. And they me dies or he's alive. Not thinking. Goes on. And I think in your mind, he's either because it's all it. Only ends too many ways. He's in jail, or it gets killed. It never it's never happily ever after. It's not like he's kissing Carmella watching like millionaire, watching the grand kids run around the back yard ain't happening for him. And we go to Holstein's, we'll practice parallel parking metal. Yeah. We just park properly. Now you're my movie buff. So what have you seen the John movie? I haven't yet. Rocket man. Got really good reviews though. You wanna go see that gotten great reviews to I'm dying to see blinded by the light about this Pakistani and kid who falls in love with spring one grow. I wish I wrote that. I know grinder Chad is to direct your sheet at Bennett like Beckham and it played it Sunday. It's my buddy Ben line Science Fantastic. It's coming out this month. Oh, I can't wait for that. I can't wait. They're supposed to when does the does the Tarantino, July twenty seven once upon a time in Hollywood. And when does your podcast come out Sinophile debuts this week? So go ahead. I know you will support me give it a re tweak it some. I'm gonna love it to death. You know speed Springsteen, new album out, I'm no. You're going to be all over that. The July fourteenth comes out and then that which, which is even better tour. So hopefully, you know there's this just to see him. Again, is just all so I go backstage and get stiffed again, but I'll do it. You know, I don't mind I'll do it for Monica right over here. Material from Bruce, seventy years. Fifty nine years old still going. It's amazing. I'm blowing great stuff GM shoplift. Zoe subscriber of you? Thanks guys.

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One-On-One with Eric DeCosta | Wednesday Mailbag

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One-On-One with Eric DeCosta | Wednesday Mailbag

"All right well. This is the second one we've done of these and last week we had a coach. Sean mcvay from the Rams in and you know I wanted to bring in guys who have known for Awhile. Who I've got a lot of respect for I. Think can give people kind of a lot of a really good idea of how you get the highest level of professional football and so this week. We're bringing in a guy. Who's I like Eric. I think I could probably. Like you live close enough to. You grew up close enough to where I live right now where I. I can't walk there, but I could probably ride a bike there and I think like every time we every time we drive from where my house is in Massachusetts to where my inlaws live, we drive right through Taunton Massachusetts which is where Eric Causes from. Bring them in now. That's Ravens GM Eric Decosta Eric Welcome in. The Albert happen to do this and. I'm happy to spend some time with you today. All right, so let's start here. Did a little background working. I actually didn't know this about you, but I read somewhere that you actually wanted to be GM from the time you were six years old, which seems really really young you know and I know a lot of a lot of guys. Drink grew up dreaming about being a player dream about being a coach. What do you think it was like at a young age that made you they made you gravitate towards being a general manager. Well I just was always fascinated by how teams were built, and so for me, know growing up in Massachusetts as a big baseball fan red sox. patriots. To a degree in the Celtics and there was some great teams you know in the late seventies in the eighties, you know then I just really. It was always just fascinated by different personalities and different skill sets, and how they all blend together to build stopping that special and and I was just you know and I think about specifically those Celtics teams. You know the different personalities of those teams and moves that they made in the players that they add in all those types of things that have just so always intrigued by hotter somebody do that. All these moving parts salary component, the ability personalities, and how they all play together to Kinda build something that transcends, and so I don't know I just and I always love you know the scouting aspect. I always loved studying statistics. There was always into. Baseball football cards I. Still I still have my collection. Of Cards and I would study the backs of the car, and where the guys go to college. Where do they play in the minor leagues? You know. How many touchdowns did they have? How many home runs? What was their batting average? Those types of things you know And and I remember like just even you know. We used to talk it in Rhode. Island to watch the red sox play and I remember being there with my dad one time. and. There was a family sitting next to us. And The guy says know that. See that guy over there third base. And said he goes. That guy is gonNA. Be Great player someday, but he's older and just planning for a few years, but he's an amazing hitter and his name was Wade. Boggs. And and I just watched him, and I watched his style. I watched how we stood play And I'm like man. This guy is incredible, but he had been just languishing into target for a couple years, even though it was batting, three, thirty, three, forty, three, fifty, three sixty, because he wasn't a power hitter. but I love studying guys like that and the what makes them special quality to they have that might not necessarily stand out to the casual fan, but what makes them really good? And how does the guy that fit in with your roster based on his skill set? So that type of really meant a lot to me and I always felt like if I wasn't in good enough to play as a professional player, and I played sports I mean it wasn't. I wasn't just a stats guy I played baseball throughout my life I played baseball and football. I played football in college, but I was always pretty realistic that I wasn't going to be a professional player, but what would I want to do and that was to work in sports. And so for me, the the thrill wasn't necessarily kosher players. It was building. The team at the player could coach and so that was my mission. Did you. Do you think you watch sports different than like a lot of kids did like? Do you think that like I mean I? Don't know if there was you mentioned being sitting there like in pawtucket and watching watching Wade boggs like. Do you think like you kind of maybe looked at sports, a little differently digestive sports, a little bit differently than a normal kid would. Really kind of intrigued in the style of the player. What made him a good player? What were the quality that really made him stand out as a player Was it something physical? Was it something intangible was at his court vision, maybe as a basketball player was billion attract the deep ball as a wide receiver. You know what are the qualities that stood out about the guy you know. Did he have an arm like Dwight Evans Dot in the? The outfield control the ball from base. If the you know the off the wall back home plate on the air and the fly, you know. Was it a guy like Jim Rice? Who is a dead pull hitter? But he a lot of double play it into devil place, you know. I was always interested in the style of the player and what his skills were, and how they kind of added to the value of the team in general Those are things that you know those things that sort of resonated with me the intelligence of the plan. Appreciated the intelligence of the player or like I grew up a cowboys fan. As well you know and Emmett Smith. You never took a hit never a big hit. He always had ability to sort of slide, and never really even know maybe the biggest or the fastest guy. He never took a direct hit, and he was able to preserve his gear so long. So those are the things I appreciate about players in those are the things I appreciate about players now. Do you think like. A lot of baseball players there you think twelve year old Eric Decosta would've seen himself as a baseball GM and not a football jim. I always thought I can do both I kind of thought that I would be you know 'cause I love baseball, man I just I did and and you grown up in New England I think sometimes people have more of an appreciation for baseball than in other parts of the country and and I just man I love the Red Sox. Probably Sport early on in my life that I was best at. Until I couldn't hit a curve ball anymore. but I was a Catcher I. always appreciated the mental aspect baseball, the strategy aspect of baseball and I love the fact that the catcher was so involved in every single play every single moment of the game. And I, so that was an awesome. You know position for me to play and I and I was inside Linebacker in college and I love that, too that the inside linebacker was setting the front and making the call, and all that and it was really involved in all the day to day motions of the play, and all the various things and so You know I I. Love Baseball the Strategy Aspect of it. I loved the idea of The manager and I don't know I. Just I like the beauty of baseball and I. Love the Red Sox and I just lived and die every single. Game. With the Red Sox as a kid and I never got a chance to watch the whole game. But I'd come down the morning I hold day was based on the Red Sox. Won or lost in night before you know, I ask my mom or dad, how the Red Sox to in my whole mental framework for the rest of the day was just based on that. So, you probably like, pick up. You'd have the globe. I would I would i? Would I tell us people in it interesting because I? Work with with With one of his sons with. And now I work with and now his. His grandson Patrick Mcdonough works for me, but so we'll mcdonagh's column for man. was was just the holy grail it was was As was you know some of the other writers and they had amazing writers Peter Gammons. I mean it was a galaxy of stars who wrote for the globe. I would get that paper after my dad was finished with the sports page and I would lied on the carpet, and I was spread it out on the carpet, and I would go vour the Boston Globe sports page from the first page to the back page and I would read. Every article and I study every box score as much as I could and I don't know it was a special thing being a kid in Boston in the eighties. Where those teams it was. You consume sports differently. You know channel thirty eight. You know the Red Sox, always on. You Know Jeremy. About thirty eight was the Bruins in the Red Sox, and then the Celtics opponent south around twenty five. I think at twenty. Five twenty five yeah. gave. Different, you know as a kid you know, so you played sports and you watch sports on TV every night. You know is a way for our family to get together. My Dad and I would watch baseball. We would watch football on the weekends every game he could and and that was an awesome thing. Yeah, I always tell people like you know we'll. mcdonagh's like the reason. I got. A. Teenager he he like I actually got to meet him and sit down talk with them and. I've told Terry this. He's the reason. I became a sportswriter in the first place. So like for you like was. Were you a better football player than baseball? Because he play football, I call for everybody know Colby's in the Nasdaq and people who are from where we're from. It's sort of like the it's considered like the little live. They're like really high academic small schools. Were you, do you have a choice on what you wanted to play in college between football and baseball or football, just a sport that you were good enough to play in college. Hard I think sometimes playing Baseball and football because of the requirements right. It's and as I around my junior year high school Nash Playing Football and baseball. And I was probably better I didn't get a chance to play a lot of organized football when I was younger. Because I was a big kid. I'm not now but I. I was a big kid so. As grade. I was about five foot, nine, hundred seventy five pounds, and when I graduated from high school. About five ten, a hundred and eighty pounds. So. I ended up, you know. Probably my junior year high school senior. High School. I was a fullback and defensive end I was always catcher in baseball, but I. Just I love I love football. I loved I love that aspect that my team was great. My high school teams are really really good. In Eighty seven eight. We had really strong teams in Taunton in, so I started to gravitate towards book on into I. Lifted I started lifting lifting lifting lifting and got more bulky, and you know I have to get bigger and bigger and bigger in that necessarily wasn't really conducive to phone throwing a baseball and all that type of stuff, so my goal was to to was the play Football College, and I was getting recruited by a lot of different schools. The challenge that I faced was. A you know a lot of a lot of coaches, I think I was a really big football player, but when they would see me, I was just small and I wasn't going to be a cornerback or anything like that. wasn't fast enough, so. You know there were schools recruiting me back then holy, cross, a really good program back in that in that time. Brown included me a lot of the Nasdaq. Schools Middlebury Williams Colby toss. And I I really loved. The coaching staff at Colby and they were flexible. You know they thought maybe I was GONNA play fullback in then. when I got there, they WANNA. Try Safe. You I'd never back titled Before You know. I was always more of an attacking defense layer, so then and I wasn't big enough to play any kind of like a defensive end. Say So. Why play his linebacker? So my freshman year extra plants linebacker. and. I had never played that before, but I think my personality and my skill set. Match pretty well with with that and and I was fortunate enough to to play that position and play a lot as a freshman I started playing more and more, and then at the sophomore started started has a sophomore and It was an awesome experience I loved it I loved Colby and my mate. And I set that you love for the game, so you know obviously I have my career goals. I was an English Major. In College and actually had another major in classics, which I studying Greek and Latin. But. I always wanted to work in football. You know so. I was blessed because my senior year. We found talking to my coaches were mentors for me? and. We talked about coaching getting in as a coach with the idea that I would maybe Scott Someday, but getting in and getting coaching background, so we had a relationship with the head coach at Trinity at the time, who was a legendary coach, named Don Miller ru at once so many games and he was just a coach that just I always really admired having played against teams. and so I was able to j. a job which is like a bottom level. Graduate assistant the lowest of the low, but I've got a job. At Trinity, and I started coaching here in Nineteen, Ninety four, and my first coach wide receivers. She was challenging because I never played receiver, but it gave me a really good perspective on how an offense works, and then my second season I coach the defensive line, and then my third season. My coach inside linebackers Before I came to Baltimore to work working scouting with Ati. Did you think you did? was there any part of you like that? During those three years? Where you're like? Maybe I don't be a gym maybe I WANNA. Be a coach. Always think about that I mean for me. It was like opportunities and what could I do? Yeah, wanted to work in football. I wanted to build. But you know there's so many amazing coaches like when you get into coaching at any level like I thought, some of the best coaches had ever seen. Guys that coast you'd be football right and they don't get a chance like they don't get a chance to maybe coach. In the NFL you know it's. It's so hard like if you play at Colby. It's really really hard. To become a coach in the NFL right you know if you grow up in in in Vermont or New Hampshire Massachusetts. It's really really really really hard like many chip Kelly. New Hampshire. You know and just kind of built his career over time and just building building going. It's very very easy to lose patience and get out of the profession. For me! What happened was I'll tell you. I was I was coaching et trinity. And I was in a bar on campus called the TAP. And I met this guy. At least I just finished an internship in scouting. With the The Washington redskins. And it was like a lightning bolt. Just Kinda hit me and I ran back to my apartment over there in Cranston street in Hartford. And I started working on my resume, and I set my resume out to every president. Every head coach every GM. In the NFL and I just listened. Just give me a chance. I'll work for free. I'll pay my way. I just need an opportunity. And, fortunately you know I, had a couple I got response back from basically everybody I still have the letters. Why do you keep them? Well at the time. I kept him because they will cool. Yeah, because they had a letterhead and all that yeah. I'll tell you and I'm not in my office now at. At Work But In my office at work. I've got a letter Ron woolfe. From Nine, hundred and ninety four. and. He's basically saying you know I. Don't have a job for you and this is Ron woolfe. I mean that guy is elated. Of all time guy that I always really just admired and had the chance to meet, and was one of the most special days in my life, when I met him in Annapolis at a navy game, but anyway I had a letter from Ron Woolfe Wolfson. Hey I. Don't have a job for you, but good luck. And You Know Nineteen, ninety four, and then fast forward. Two Thousand Nineteen. I just get name GM. Get a letter in the mail from Wolf. Congratulating me. and. Number One. It's just cool, so we put it together. Side by side in your office. In my office, but the. Best part about it. Is. The signature matches perfectly. Does? So, he signed my letter. Twenty five years right? Yeah, always wonder you know can get him injection ladder you that they really sided who signed? Up whatever it is. The fact that Ron woolfe actually took time to sign my letter back to nineteen ninety four. That's Kinda cool. You know so the side by side as a reminder for me. What you can do. If you put your mind to it and how your life can change, how with an opportunity just a small opportunity? You can basically make your life whatever you want to be and and so that was Kinda. Cool, so I have all. Those I've got one joys. Young I've got one from Bill Bell. Jack I've got a cool one from guy from the raiders, it wasn't Al Davis, but it was like his right hand met at Loka. Sal was his name topped about the privilege of working for the raiders. in typical raiders bravado. but yeah I still have mall in the office I still keep them on I. Show them the people sometimes. When I mean of young people I'll pull them out and just say hey, listen. Don't get discouraged because you can do it. And this is proof that you can do it and you know you try to you. Try to show these kind of things I think sometimes something like that means more of a young person that anything you can say, you know about being resistant in resilient and really chasing your dreams and and so I thought that'd be a good thing to do. Do you so like? How did the first internship habit because it was with the Redskins, so it was just a coincidence that it was the same. Team is the guy he he met in the bar. It was but back to. Another guy that helped me a lot in my career and that's. Thomas Charley casserly and so Charlie and I don't know if this is something that was started. Before, Charlie with bobby bathroom I'm not really sure, but you know. Charlie started off with the Redskins as an intern. Is a great story about him like staying in a Ymca someplace and you know. So. They had the redskins. Had Internship Program Scouting where they would hire like six people a year. And it was. They were all guys like myself and They had the most. Probably the you know, the strongest program internship program. And so I applied. And and I got a call back from Scott Cohen. Who had been a part of that program as well and was not working fulltime for the Redskins as coordinator and scouting and He offered me a job. and it was it was like amazing. It was a life changing thing for me. And I am so the at Trinity and finishing up. ninety four. And You know. It's the spring of ninety. Five and style offers me this job and it's going to be my last season at Trinity, in September but I got a chance to go and work for the Redskin I. was I think I was doing late June? And we actually it was our first training camp. We we didn't they didn't go to. Carlisle year went to Frostburg state. And so I showed up. I drove down. And Like eight weeks, and it was amazing, and that was the year. you know north. Turner was the head coach that was the first training camp. Of Heath. Shuler was the first round. Pick that year. We had on staff. We had Camp Cameron we, Russ Grimm. coach Hannifin who is an amazing offensive line coach like legendary offensive line coach Ray Horton, was on staff I think he was like Assistant DB's coach. made a name for himself as an awesome defensive coordinator. it was an awesome staff man. I was working with some legends and coaching. And so I did some coaching stuff with these guys and help them with the day to day operations into to from scouting. And I remember like three weeks before I was done. Scott, call me in. and Said Hey. Charlie wants you to do a project for him. And it had to do with offense Lineman we had camped at year, and so I spent like twenty five hours a day on this project for Charlie and I felt like it'd be my opportunity to to show them what I can do because no fewer with five or six or seven intern. Man You guys just hoping for a chance. Right anything. STAND OUT! And you're probably competing against each other a little bit. It was a little bit of a competition. They gave me this challenge and I was a little bit older than some of the other interns. It called him for me like when I think about it was like I, got that internship and I knew nobody in the organization and a lot of the other people that were in turn, had kind of a connection to the organization, but I was a little bit older and I had to coach. Might have had a little bit of an advantage, but I just project and ran with it. And when I was done. On, never forget Shirley. Call me, and and he had never really spoken one on one I was nervous. This shit I shouldn't say that, but I was really nervous. and. He said Hey, you got a good job and the you know the might be an opportunity for you down the road here but I think he did a really really good job and I appreciate. You know what how you did it. How you approach to job every single day and I felt really good about it. I felt really good about it and then. I'll never forget like Scott called me. Like a month before the combine. Any, he said Hey, you know. At Trinity. And he said I want you to come out to the combine with us and work with us at the combine. And it sounded amazing like. I wanted to do it so badly. But I I had a commitment and I. Don't remember what it was, but I couldn't do it, I couldn't. I couldn't I couldn't navigate it I. couldn't do it had a commitment out of it, so I felt like it was my one chance, and I was like man. I can't do it and I felt like I blew an opportunity. Big Time. But I remember that year like a like a month later maybe or like. It was maybe like late March early April. I got a phone call from Scott. And Scott he said to me. Hey, I, got your name from Scott Calling. And I WANNA. Talk to you about a job in player personnel. With, with my team and I wasn't sure like it was Kinda weird like I, didn't know all Amex of Cleveland, going Baltimore and all that kind of stuff. had even moved yet. We could. They actually like picked up and move the team yet or is that? I don't think the team. The team was in Baltimore yet. Yeah, but it was announced or whatever it was gonna be something like that it was. So. I had actually applied to law school because I was like finishing my third year at Trinity I didn't know exactly what I was going to do. As I've always been a big believer in education I figured like a lot angry. At least help me I was gonNA coach at Trinity, but is going to at night, so Yukon was actually the only school that I applied to. And I took the l sat on a whim. I just drove I rode my bike actually the. University of Hartford. took the else at over there and applied. And I had the chance to go to Baltimore So An interview so I. I never forget. This is so cool because. I never really been on a plane like three times in my life. At that point, you know. We went down and Orlando with kids with my family. And I went on Spring Break College. That was the second time. In the third time I ever was on a plane was when I flew from Hartford. Down to Baltimore, my interview in May of that year, one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety six. And? It was cool. It was so different. We had no email the only thing back then. There was a tactic came. And I opened up the Fedex and it had an actual airplane ticket in Hillsdale tickets here. It was so cool. I came down to Baltimore Joyce called keenest. Pick me up at the airport. Who Works with me now they're my best friends in the whole world. And I came here. And one of the one of the things I. Think about it was so when I was. At Trinity in one. Thousand Nine hundred ninety four. We interviewed a guy for job and he was gonNA be my roommate. We lived on campus and I have played against his kid. and he went to Wesley and his name was Eric. Mangini is so we often men Genia job. At Trinity in he took it. Used to be was from Connecticut and. Both Hi Buffy High and you know I think. He was fired up. Take job. He was GonNa Coach the defensive line. Maybe it was the offense remember, but he was going to take it, but he had had an opportunity to do an internship with Cleveland Brown. Right and I think it was the equipment room. Maybe maybe it was pr I'm not really sure what it was. But he say I'll see you guys when training camp starts. Never showed up. Because? He got a chance to stay in Cleveland. Just anyone would do that I. Mean Nfl sure the Nasdaq, so he stayed. So when I came down to Baltimore to interview. What are? These Eric Mangini? What reunited again, you know. We played against each other. He almost work for me at trinity in involved while he was the assistant offensive line coach with Kirk Ferrets. People probably would be surprised to know. That bunny was and I think he was and. So, we work together. was guy interview with Ozzy and with Phil Savage and Scott the Oli and a bunch of other people. And You know they were? It's interesting I didn't even know this. Until recently. I knew that less need was one of the other candidates for the job that year and Lester took the job Jacksonville. Right Legrand Hill who somehow But the other guy. That I think they offered the job to before because I was a third choice wasn't even the first, I must have bombed the interview. Nobody else, but the other guy that they interviewed who I think they were interested in hiring was Paul, deeper, Desta. You know a lot of people know from moneyball but you. Know now he's he's worked for the Cleveland Browns at an executive vice president, for the Cleveland, Browns, and I think. Paul had been working in Baltimore. Maybe maybe for the stallions or something I'm not really sure. you know he was a football player. I believe at Harvard and. So they offered him a job, but he had a chance to go to the Indians. And so because because Scott the. Mark Shapiro were friends. So anyways, I was the third choice. My job. Baltimore back then was a really cool place. We weren't very good, but we have some amazing people working in the building. You know and it was a galaxy of stars. You know we had Jim Schwartz. Yet Eric Mangini, we had Marvin Lewis. Reactor experience we had Pat Hill. you know there's so many? People working there. Scott the Oley. Bill savage both GM George Kookiness GM. Did your any idea? Did you have any idea how good the people around 'cause I? You I mcveigh this same question about the redskins staff fourth. Meighan Kyle Shanahan and Asked him the same question. I think it's interesting. Did you guys know how good the group was there? Then, or is that just something as a young kid in his twenties? You just sort of okay. I'm in the NFL I'm just trying to figure it out. I was just trying to survive. You know. I was trying to learn, and I would try to survive, and I was trying not to screw up. I didn't want to call attention to myself. I was used to evaluate myself and. You know people would say. They were five of me in the building and I thought that was a good day. It'd be like man. You're all over the place and you know back then we were small. We didn't bring a lot of people from Cleveland. we had a small organization and I was the one Guy Scott and I was the one player per personnel assists, and now we got by right back then it was just me. And so. I worked very closely with Phil savage very closely Scott. you know I was blessed? That Ozzy! Gave me an opportunity and gave me a chance to learn from him worse so different I just said this recently. You know I'm a small white guy. From Northeast liberal arts education. the African American Hall of Fame Player big, Guy played it Alabama totally totally totally different. But he gave me an opportunity, and he gave me a chance, and he didn't he didn't. Grade me or evaluate me based on himself. He was objective gave me a chance, and he trained me every single day. Homey and we look at players together. You tell me what to look for. You'd give me more and more opportunities. Give opportunities to hang out with them. to washed, evaluate to learn any game chance to grow and then. That's one of my goals. You know that I can do that. For other men and women It'd be as be as kind, and it's humble is ozzy was with me? So. It's an awesome place to work back then I mean. What was your job like when you like in ninety? Ninety six. And that was like like. I've seen like the old NFL films. I was watching something where like it was literally like I. Think Think you guys were wearing white helmets like we did. We have white helmets and we are stationary. was just white. It had a white helmet. Is Baltimore Football Club? Who you know when you told people that you work for the Raymond's people thought was Canadian League football team. you know especially where we had Baltimore stallions. But back then. We would try to turn the roster as much as possible and we were doing workouts every single day. We signed so many guys. And when you sign a guy, you you, you spend a lot of time with physicals. So I spent so much time. Taking players. To Get physicals picking players up at the airport. And we would like the original island of misfit toys every we would bring in these players anywhere. Anybody that we had a chance to help our team. We bring them in, so we did and you know we. COACHING STAFF I spent as much time working with the coach, and he says I probably working in scouting, because we were so understaffed and but that help like. Do you think like? As a young kid and it sounds like your job. Maybe that first job he had before he became an area scout was just sort of maybe correct me. If I'm wrong, it sounds like the way you're describing sort of fill in with. Whatever's needed right well. Yeah, yeah, so do you think like the fact that you weren't a place that forced you to do? A lot of different things like helped? Maybe accelerate your development as a scout. The biggest thing it did for me, Albert was enforced me to. Build! Relationships strong relationships with people. And You know I I say this a lot. You know and you can't do it alone. You gotTa have mentors. You Got Avenue relationships. You can't be looking at phone all the time. We're in a cubicle walking down the street texting somebody you gotTa have face to face and so back then you know I. I developed amazing. Relationships that to this day. Mean as much to me of anything and so guy like Kirk. Parents who was an incredible friend and mentor to me. you know we were? We would run together with Ozzy at lunchtime. Marvin Lewis Talk to him all the time. You know even when he was a coach for the Bangles, which is challenging. Marvin Lewis has helped me as much as anybody he's. An amazing person in a great friend, my relationship with coach Marchibroda. was unbelievable and I mean I could tell you so many stories about coach, but. You know he'd be on me. To help him, you know. I drove him to a funeral in buffalo one time for. College teammates. L., I drove him at the at the at the West, when it was out in San Francisco and Palo, Alto and took them the pebble beach. It'd be just drove around because he wanted to see it. It just being able to listen to him. Talk about the Gade or talk about football hours and hours and hours hours to be able to run with coach parents every day at lunch and talk about offense alignment that he coached while Williams, Orlando Brown what made those guy, Special Tony Jones. You know his his his his stories about. About Joe Moore who was a legendary office? The line coach Marvin Lewis talking about the steelers. You know players that he'd Coast Lamont Kirkland guys like that. You know you know what you had to be like. Play for the steelers in the three four defense, those kind of things personnel all those kind of things. That developed me as much as anything I. Did individually as much anything I did watch him. Players Scout players. It's those relationships that developed me as much gnashing out, so it's almost like you saw like maybe like A. Somebody else like somebody might see like. Oh well, I don't really want to do this I. Don't really want do that or I got to drive this guy here. You kind of view them as little opportunities right like. A little opportunity to get to know this guy. This is a little opportunity to pick something up from this. Or understand this a little bit better. It was like almost like what you see is like the like. What a lot of people would see is like. Oh, I'm just paying my dues. You actually saw those those little things as opportunities. Yeah, you know I think my staff now they hear me say this all the time, but. You've got to be willing to exploit any opportunity that you see that's the game. Everybody is operating under the same rules, but how you gain an advantage, and so and so for me. I always felt like I was never the biggest kid I was never the fastest kid I was never the smartest kid. But if you gave me enough time. And I had a good understanding of what it was gonNA take to win. I'd figure out a way to game the system. And I've learned that one way to do that in any walk of life any industry. If. To be a good listener. Asking questions for relationships. To Be Nice. And to stay in touch with people into to appreciate the fact that you don't know everything in the having a growth mindset, which is basically understanding that you're not where you need to be. In there are a lot of ways to get there, and you have to work relentlessly to get to that point. And I think a lot of young people. Unfortunately nowadays, they don't necessarily approach their day that growth mindset, but I think there's so many really smart people out there that are willing to help you. You've got to be willing to accept that help, and if you do that, you'll get way much more back than you put into it. You go from so all right, so you start with that like in your. You know going out for the jogs and you're driving Marchibroda into the. Buffalo all this different stuff you're doing and now you kinda like I would think like the big break for us becoming an area scout right now you've got real responsibility and like you're sort of in charge of this little world. Of all these colleges that you're, you're responsible for all that. How big a step was that in like how because it seems like from there? It was just sort of like now now now you've got some momentum so like am I, right to say like becoming the area scout of the Midwest for the Ravens was kind of your big breakthrough in then, how what do you think the key was to sort of taking that as a positive momentum and turning it into the next job? Well, I think that they made me the mid west out, but it was kind of reluctant reluctantly an obvious part because. I think that he really valued me in the office and he wanted to be in the office, so I got a chance to do the Midwest, but I didn't have to live in the mid West. By the way for people who don't know like a lot of times, the area scout will actually live in the area, but you stayed I stayed in Baltimore because you wanted me in the office when I wasn't on the road which again. I looked at as a huge opportunity. So I would leave. I would leave in like August. Whatever it was and I would drive my car and hit hit the schools in Pennsylvania and then hidden Ohio and then you could go a couple of different ways you can go up into. Michigan go down South in Kentucky whatever it was, but I wouldn't do a huge loop and I would end up. I had about seventeen states that would do a huge loop and then by thanksgiving. I was finished up back in Baltimore and that would fly back periodically I'd fly back like two or three weeks. After. which my car out there, that's not typically the way that. An Area Scott Do. It probably wasn't the best way. In terms of. You know sometimes getting information. Because if you living out there in your area, sometimes, it's easy to get information from the various schools, but it was awesome for me because I lived in Baltimore and I still felt a strong attachment to the team. The time scenario scout can feel a little little bit detached from the club because it's really not in the office unless you get the draft time. but for me. You know I had seventy states. And I got a chance to do so many evaluations. And and I've always loved the aspect of evaluating players from watching the tape in grading what you see, and and really honing in the makeup of the player what motivate player in all those different things. And and I took a lot of pride in that, and and fortunately I take some my training at Colby as an English major help because really as a scout. Your primary focus is to to evaluate the player, but then be able to express what it is that you see. Some guys have an unbelievable ability to evaluate a play. They can't communicate the evaluation session makers, but for me as an English Major. That was easy to do and and so I did that. Starting in ninety seven. And I did that, too two thousand All two. Zero three. So you want soup. Guys won a super bowl in there to resume. We did yeah we did and it was cool. And you know Feel savage did an amazing job as skying director, and I worked very closely with bill We had a really good staff guys. George Kookiness Vince newsome. Terry mcdonagh you know we. We had a talented group scouts back then. In it filled an awesome job and and I learned so much from Phil I learned so much from odd. Scott left after the nineteen sixties and. To go work for the jets. Right! but Lonzo by cow was in scout that was influential, demeaning early days. Ron Marciniak. WHO's legend in the scouting business? Who passed away this past year? It was a mentor for me. As well Ernie plank was an old school scout who was invaluable to me, and then we had some office. Guy Tj McRae. Who's WHO's a really really good evaluator? An executive, a joy, tease, young guy. With me. Challenge Sanders WHO's working for the jets now Joe Douglas I was fortunate enough to train Joe D at an office guy when he started. He will. Remember in hardened. The Turkey. He was the Turk, so but yeah. Being a Scott was great. I did that through the nineteen two thousand two season, and then I became the college guiding director two thousand three. Year that we drafted. And how Bowler and Mussa Smith Jerry Johnson Tony Passos all those guys. I was my first year as a Scouting Director College Director Phil got promoted to the Director of player personnel and then Starting in two thousand five. Left at that point, become the GM the browns. And that was really when I start the truly run the scouting meetings in two thousand five. Which you know I've done pretty much since the thousand five run the draft. Probably, what would I most involved with day to day? Even now as a general managers is the draft process and the meetings and try to evaluate every single player in the draft that we're interested in my roles have changed i. mean I got some promotions and along the way you know? George left to become GM Cleveland and two thousand nine I became director of player personnel, and then assistant GM along the way I think two thousand eleven maybe in an GM last year. was there a player that you found as an area scout? That was the particularly proud of give. Some insight into how that happens. Is there one that you can think of or even? When were a college scouting director? Is there one that sort of sticks out is like? You know I mean a find. A. Guy That I was proud of was was Tony Weaver Anthony Weaver, that defensive tackle defensive end at Notre Dame. And You know he had a great makeup. And he really fit our defense now. What was interesting? About Tony he was he was two thousand two traffic. and. Mike and Mike Nolan was defensive coordinator at that time Mike was. One of the smartest defensive coaches and he knew the defense I mean he knew fourth. We knew free voicemail guys. He's an excellent, excellent excellent evaluator. And what I remember and Mike would stay now. I think he didn't like. Tony reba coming out and sometimes coaches and scouts. Butt heads about players. and he didn't think that Tony was that. Good of a play was going to be that big of a player. And and so I pick that year was a guy named Reid. was the twenty six I think he was twenty. Six might have been twenty four I, think whatever was he was the lowest rated player still available when we picked in the first round. And we took it. And then we took Tony Weaver and I think I don't think mike was fired up about. But I remember walking off the field minicamp with Mike. And he said Hey Those two guys. They're going to be sensational force. And I think about that. because. We had sort of like broken up the team like our defense in two thousand and was. Was Awesome Right. You let a Lotta players go. You know cap, casualties and stuff. Following the two thousand and one season. And so two thousand two was kind of lean year! And the two thousand three. We had very low expectations. But we both at defense back up again very quickly, and Tony was a big part of that defense, and he ended up being really good, and Mike was like man. You guys know that pick and it. Music agreements that good scheme fit for us, and you played really really really hard. He had a great career, and now he's coach and he's an awesome job as coach. He's just got a great makeup. Great personalities, physical tough player and I thought that was that was. Was that knowing the player then because I mentioned building relationships like? Area Scouts especially a lot of times. The job is like you're almost like half. Half your jobs almost like you're. You know what I mean like you need to know people on the ground, and you need to be able to kind of get a Gig Gig good and forget good reliable information out of these programs so I'm assuming that was part of it. What weaver. Yes. That's what really. Makes a great area Scout. I mean anybody can watch tape, and it's the catch. Abolish got run really fast or see a guy. Break a tackle whatever that might be you know I mean. Societies literature with. Excellent, WanNa be scouts I mean that's what we do for a living. I do it. I watched players now the sports. This guy is not any good of this guy's really good. You know we're all critics but I. think what really makes scout is the termination that dogged determination. To find out. WHO This person is. And that about a lot of leg work that involves You know building relationships with people and and that's challenging I mean. That was always something as an area scout. That I found one of the most challenging parts of the job was. was was reaching out to people I'm a little bit of an introvert in a little bit more shy and public I'm not going to be the type person that just you know. you know. We do personality, testing and and You know that tight be personality. It'd be like a guy that has like a salesman mentality. You Know Gregarious talked a lot of people. That's not me. A lot of the best area. Scouts are able to walk into a room. And Talk to somebody that they don't know very well. Introduce themselves relationships. Get Information so for me. That was always a challenge I had to force myself to do that. Sitting in the Tate Room and watch them twelve hours. A day came easy to me. You know Steph in the player. Strengths and weaknesses as a player came easy to me, but what makes them great area scout is all the information that they can get. Get to supplement that evaluation so that when I listen to them, talk about the player I can picture the play as a player, but also picture the player as a person off the field motivations desires you know, durability with the coaches will say about him ability to learn off character on feel character, those types of things. You can't get a lot of times by watching the tape, but that's really where the secrets office. and. It's like yeah. I mean that way your jobs like I guess not that much different than our job. You Know Hispanic building relationships, and being able to kind of it's getting good reliable information getting people to trust you and all that. Eric, you had a lot opportunities you know and I think like you started to get on the GM list's. I mean maybe over a decade before you wind up becoming the GM of the Ravens. Did you ever come close to leaving like because I know? You've been routed there and everything else. Did you like it. was there ever one or two? That like you really gave you pause? You're like. I really got to think about this. I mean yeah, you do think about him. You have because you just especially as you start getting older like it was easy. You know it was easy when I was like thirty, eight, thirty, seven, thirty, six, whatever it was. To not think about it so much because you're still young man and you realize. Fortunately I was able to realize that. The grass is not always greener and I looked at chose experiences in Cleveland Georgia experiences and Cleveland and other people. I wanted to make sure that I can learn. Everything I could to succeed. But I think that as you get a little bit older, and you start to see some of your peers taking jobs, and you know that these clubs WanNa hire you. It could be a little tough but I think for me. A couple of things factored in number one. My wife lacy is from the area. She grew up here. Her family's here and this is a business in Scouting and coaching. It's a twenty four hour seven day a week job so having family close by that. My wife could rely on. I felt like that would make me better. That would make me better at my job going. She had so much support number two. My relationship with Ozzy. And his willingness. Always extend. So much help. To me to succeed advice our friendship that developed. To me that that was a a valuable valuable valuable thing, and then the third thing I think was Steve Bisciotti. Our owner And his trusted me in space and me do my job and our relationship. You Know Stephen I. Probably you're in a Lotta ways very much like even share the same birthday and we've always had a strong relationship and we can fight and argue. But. We've always. You know we always had a good relationship I know he trusts me and and I always really trust him. I knew at some point, probably a two thousand seven. That in a perfect world. He wanted me to be as general manager. Someday you don't And it wasn't until about maybe two thousand ten. That I think it was two thousand ten. That I started getting like opportunities every single year and I two thousand ten was was Seattle. And and You know I was intrigued by that Opportunity Young. And You. Know obviously the organization, but Seattle. Cool town I'm kind of an urban guy and a lot of ways and someway here But I think when it when it came down to it, and that was when the John Snyder and p Carroll But I think when when it really came down to it, all I wanted was really just. I wanted assurances. I wanted to reassurance from Steve that I was still the guy you know and and I always felt like Steve wanted me. That I wanted the Ravens, and that's wasn't. My mindset was going to be, and we would talk every year. We I would say you still feel the same way. I still feel the same way. two thousand eleven, and maybe they're like four or five teams it. Bible really wanted to maximize my value professionally. Two thousand eleven. I probably could have done that. You know There were some teams five teams, and it's been a forty eight hours. All. Wanted to interview me. It was like a feeding frenzy, but again and it was hard and you know. I was getting information, a lot of people talking to a lot of people, people think I was crazy. He probably still do that. People tell me man you crazy staying, Baltimore. But I don't know I. I always Admire Albert. You'll appreciate this like when I think about the the asking or the teams that I really admired over the years. There are a lot of them that stay with one team their whole career the Larry Bird's your world. Call you stransky think the way that I grew up. You know when I think about a guy like. You Know Ray Bork. or You Know Jim Rice. Guys like that. I just think there's a beauty sometimes when you could stay one place, you know the whole time your whole career and so for me. I grew up as raven start at the bottom, and then there was me. And I just feel like in a perfect world. If I could stay, do it replace Ozzy. Alleged I mean my greatest friend and mentor in this business. If I do that that they would be beauty, and I know he wanted me to. We talk all the time he would say. Eric I wanted to stay. It was stated be become his successor. But he was like man. I want to stay and I knew Steve One of these day. My wife wanted me to stay. So you know what I stayed. The other aspect of it was a lot of guys will say that their biggest challenge when they leave is. They have to start over with all these new people. And I thought if I'm going to really maximize my chances to succeed. Let me do that with George. Co keenest enjoy horror, teas, and PAT, Moriarty and Kevin Burn and you know. Our trainer at the time Mark Smith Bill Tests, running Edmund trainer. Now John Hough, our coaches the best in the business. Let me do it with these people who I know rather than. Go someplace else and have to learn all these people's personalities and skill sets. Let me do it with people that I. Know and trust. You think like. If I told you though in two thousand ten or eleven, it's GonNa take another eight or nine years. You think you might have looked at differently back then because I think and I remember there being rumors that could ozzy go be the Alabama the. There were like you know. I'm sure you. There was some grey area than when it was guy. Do. You think back then like and I know this is kind of hypothetical. You'll never have to really confront this, but like I mean it just sort of played out the way it played out, but do you think if you've been told back then? That would have taken eight or nine years. You would have done it. I think it's it's it's. It's been hard for me. Crimes. But. I I tried to be patient. I'm not a patient person, but I tried to be patient and wait it out. There were probably times when I would. I would be frustrated maybe once. But again the relationships the joys that I would have gone to the office every day worked with my best friends I mean obviously Steve has done a great job. Taking care of my family and and I knew that the future was going to happen. At some point, it took a long time, but That's kind of been. Maybe the story of my my life. You know like the best things that I've ever happened me. They don't ever happen right away. They take time. You know. You always want what the things to happen so quickly in. That's never really been my story. It's always been work and work and work and patience in first appearance. It just kind of opens up for me, so yeah, there were times man I. Think about it. There were times when I get frustrated. Maybe a little bit, but we will winning. You know John and he just did such a masterful job. Especially like in two thousand ten. two thousand eleven two thousand twelve. And I learned so much news an opportunity for me to let so much that I didn't know and You know I love working with our scouting staff. I had a lot of autonomy in the department. Do what I wanted to do the day to day. Certainly Autumn is making a found decision on players, but he gave me tremendous latitude. To get to that point. However, I wanted to get to that point. And so you get frustrated. Of course you would and then when you'd see your peers guys. That started later than you or whatever and you knew you could have that opportunity. Maybe if you wanted it, they were times. Never get frustrating for sure and I think but but I think that. GM's. Around the League they respected me in the end. That's what you want. You want to just have respect. I was respected and You know it all. It all worked out. Fortunately am happy and I'm blessed, and you know the best part about it. I think. Is that the names of all the same into building? And even Ozzy's still with me every day and we work closely together every single day and It's been a perfect storm for me, and it's been really really enjoyable. What kind of advantage as far as doing the job you're in now? Do you think it gave you that like you did have like I've heard a lot of GM say like all right like you get a job. It's like now and all this. Stuff's crossing your desk. You never saw before. In a lot of guys jump around from organization to organization so I. I think you'd agree that. Your passes like atypical. It's not what the normal path to becoming GM is I mean for one. You've never been fired right? which is like amazing like most guys get fired when they're young and something happens, and it's not always their fault, but generally something like that happens like. How do you made you better at your job that you didn't go into like the? You're sort of eased into it. You know what I mean like that. Maybe Ozzie could kind of gradually give you more and more rather than being a guy who, maybe it was like a director of player personnel or a college pro director somewhere just jumping into new new job somewhere else and having to learn everything on the fly. Yay. That's a gift. You know, and not he had that ability as a as leader and as a manager. he he just. He gave me opportunities. So many. Even when I wasn't even qualify for that opportunity would extend himself and give me access to sit in a meeting. You know even back to like. Two thousand two thousand one. He, put me in charge of trades in the draft room. And here I am now. You know I'm thirty years old. I've only been league five years I've only been three years and he says Eric. I want you to handle the trades, which is a very important job during the draft. And he put me in charge of that. And and I mean that had tremendous impact on my career dealing in that room, the head coach in the owner and general manager, it wouldn't have fallen rings. They're calling me. And I have to stay off. This is good trade. We should do this trade, or we should not do this trade or whatever it is. back then. We didn't even use Jimmy Johnson chart yet. We were doing our own deal. which is basically just being aware of all the other trades they've ever happened. In Fair value. That's a gift you know. Ozzie did that in any any constantly allow me to. Succeeding grow and challenge myself and and I and I'm blessed that I got a chance to see the evolution of the Ravens from that white helmet. To where we are now with you know to super bowls and I don't know how many playoff appearances is thirteen, twelve, thirteen, thousand and twenty four years Divisional Tiles, AFC title Afc Championship Games whatever it might be all the all the great players. Over the years at Ati drafted and that we've been around Pogo Hall of famers players like that. I've been blessed to see the the organization. The friend grow as it has. The part of that, and so when that happens, then you start to see the development of what we call culture in what that looks like the culture of the organization. And that resonates with me. F! You're like I grew up in that culture. It's like a small child and you grow up in a family. You're still invested in it, too, because you were there. Like you were there when nothing exist meal, you're there before the logo existed so like that's probably that part of it I. Think is like amazingly meaningful right because you saw the whole thing thing. Here by the, you can't buy that institutional knowledge. Right you just. You can't buy that. And and so here! I am now thirty. Years Old. Thirty one years old, thirty two years old and I'm in coach. Bellies Office. And he's talking to me about the draft or the players he's looking for. and. With that worth. You know what does that work never builds up and builds up like coins in jar, and eventually you get to the point where the jars full. Yeah and so just those experiences. Meant the world to me and still do being with one club you know I've never been fired I probably won't be fired some day, I my wife's wanted to find a few times. but I i. just appreciate this place. the history of the Ravens what it means. I think I'm you know? I'm more than one hundred percent invested in the Baltimore Ravens. Franchise in this community, and I love Baltimore I. Mean I'm a Boston Guy Thune for. You'll never find someone more Boston. They but this is my home. And I I think some pass people in Boston. Don't want to hear that, but in my love, for for Boston is strong strong as ever I mean I'm going up tomorrow. If you've tried, but but Baltimore is homeless. Community our fan base. I love that, and so for me, that's really the sizzle. The says the wasn't going somewhere to be. You know one of the highest GM's in the league the sizzle for me. was finishing what I started, and if I can work my whole career here as a member of this franchise and I'll be blessed. I got three things, and we'll get Outta here just on where you are right now the first thing. How important is your relationship with John Harbaugh. A lot about that and I mean. I think that that's probably taken down. More football operations than anything in the time I've been covering the league. At least when that there's there's issues there like. How do you view your relationship with John, Harbaugh, and the importance of it within the building. Well, the word I would use his paramount. you know before I became GM I. Think there are some people that put some stuff out there that John butted heads. And that's that's treachery and poison and subterfuge. which is another good word. But you know John and I have always had a strong relationship. I think we're both stubborn, and sometimes we're both sort confrontational and. We're both emotional. And and that's a different that I have versus Ozzy. WHO's not outwardly emotional person? I'm more emotional. But I think John and I. We work extremely wealthy. Get it because. We both have. A passion to. Be the very best. And we'll be aggressive in our pursuit of being the very best and you know we'll probably butt heads and fight. Sometimes they may not always agree with me. But he knows I care as much as he does and I know he cares as much as I do. And I appreciate his perspective on things in his opinion on things His role as a as a husband as a father as a family man. What's and the Ham resonates with me and we're neighbors. I mean literally enlist hundred fifty yards over there. He's got a big house than I do, but I see that's. Right yeah, but but I think John. We spend time together every day in the office and I think we're we are aligned in our vision for the team. I look at my job as a service job I'm here to serve him as best as I can provide him with the best players that I can provide a framework so that he can be successful in his job coach of the team, and if he can sixteen in his job with our players and were probably pretty team. So we work well together. We communicate daily We really do discuss every important decision that either he makes I make. we included other people in those decisions is the is coordinators. Guys on my staff Pat George Joe Those Kinda guys. and we collaborate on all these important decisions in most, and then you know what if he has to make tough call I trust him to make tough call and I know this to. If I have to make tough call, he'll say to me Eric. You gotTA. Do you think is right? And he trust me and do that, and so the synergy is there. I was blessed to see ozzy with coach. Marchibroda Ahi was coach Belic, and then Ozzie which coach Harbaugh, and so I know what it can look like when it's done well, and my goal is to make sure it's always done well in Baltimore. Okay number to. You I think a Lotta Times. You draft a player and it can impact the way. Maybe you and I've just heard this from different guys. That can impact the way you look at things. Did the evaluation and drafting of Lamar Jackson in two thousand eighteen change the way you look at scouting in any way, look at football in any way because I think I don't know. Maybe Lamar isn't a first round pick twenty five years ago. So did the whole process going through that and finding Lamar, and then winding up, pulling the trigger and drafting Lamar and then seeing him developed the last two years. Has It changed anything for you as an evaluator? Well I think. You know specifically to Lamar, you know. There are certain people I give. A lot of credit to in their evaluation of the Marin is his strength and You know I think. There, there've been Mardi morning way. Are Scouting Staff. They saw some some real strengths game some milk. Freakish ability some things that he did extremely well and look at listen. Every player is different and all players I don't care who they are. They have strengths and weaknesses. But I think that some of the guys that I mentioned some of our scouting staff. They were able to really figure out what the market really do well. And then the challenge was. Once we got 'em. How could we build around him? To? met his drinks. You know. How can we build an offense around the Lamar utilizing those rare qualities that he had understanding that he's going to continue to get better and better and better and better. You. Know it took. It took some some courage to do that. But and we made some decisions with other players on the that we felt were either grin fits and not good fits whatever that might be. A WE KINDA had and I. It here's where I really give Roman. A tremendous amount of credit because Greg. Was did a great job of explaining what he wanted. This thing that look like what type suppliers were important to us. where we needed help. Look like what was important how we could get better. What were the moves had to make so a lot of moves to be made. We really made around Mar- I think if there's if there's one thing that I learned From the Lamar thing is that. Know. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to fail in this business because most of the time you're gonNA. Fail Anyway. I, mean you only GonNa win? Want one team's GonNa win. Everybody else is GonNa feel like a failure. We go to the senior bowl every year. I see. Sturdy other teams. That have just as miserable as I am. We don't win the other two teams. They're going to be playing in the super bowl, but everybody else miserable, so don't be afraid to fail. It had been it would have been pretty easy to not trade back in the first round to take a chance on the Mar-. But. Don't be afraid. I think sometimes. We, think risk management. is is really being a good thing and sometimes risk management it can. Still it can stunt your progress at your growth So. I mean we were very very fortunate that we got Lamar and as good as his talent is. When he has up here is even better, but he hasn't. Here is even better and that drives him every day to be the very best you can be. He might be. A nine out of ten or eight out of ten. Ten out of ten is an athlete, but as a quarterback. When he came in, maybe he was an eight or nine out of ten. This up here in this in here. That makes him an eleven out of ten. And it drives him, and that's really what him the bay best he can be so. How'd you find out by Luke? How did you find? How'd you figure out that that part was somebody that was key to figuring out? What's up here and what's in there? With him. Good drafts or is that some of the really outing? Guarding talking to people talking to people that he worked with day to day coaches deming people. The interview process our coaches spending time with him. Little things that you observe were Catholic type things that you see. You know It's it's it's it's it's everything. It's not one thing. It's all these little data points at all kinds of work together as a mosaic that we use that we look at, and it's just it's everything and you're never one hundred percent, and we make a lot of mistakes we do. We make mistakes It's a hard profession that we're not as good as we need to be, but. But. We were not afraid in this instance to go back in and take him and credit goes to Avi The credit goes to John and and the coaching staff. And a lot of credit really does it just goes to Lomar because what he does is the right thing. He's usually doing the right things. Works extremely hard and You know he cares more than anybody else. That's what you want and the quarterback. That's what you want. A leader. A place beat off and so it's it the ideal situation for us. Ok third thing then I think you guys have always prided yourselves on being sort of an innovative forward thinking organization I also know Eric. You're not afraid to look outside of football. And, look at you, know like other sports and so I. I just wonder like what you feel it. The key is for for you guys as an organization, and maybe you now as a general manager at just sort of staying ahead of the curve, you know obviously the NFL everybody people you know team has success, but one thing and you know the next year. A half dozen teams are doing that right like what's the key for you in trying to keep your organization ahead of all that? Well I i. think that's where I come in. Really Yeah I'll be the one thing that I think I'm probably pretty good at the other, a better scouts than me. A better salary cap people. There's people that know more about the game than I do. But I think I have a relentless desire to learn and grow and challenging in motivate, and do things think outside the box and press envelope and you know. How can we get better? How can we get an edge I'm always talking about edge. Outta, we gain value. How do we get an edge? That consumes me in, so we'll continue to do that, you know we talked to people and all industries sport sports teams franchises talked people in the military re talking to people in Business and finance analytic. Whatever that might be you know trying to always find little things that we can steal little things that we can pill for that. We can use that. We can tweet to help the Ravens be the best. We can be and honestly like if you don't have that mindset, and you're probably not a good fit for the Baltimore Ravens Working Scouting and coaching on your organization. That's one thing that's non negotiable. Challenge ourselves every day best as we can. To learn and and keep the open minded consider new ways of doing things with the idea that we have to gain an edge because he's other teams. They're trying to each arrests every single day. And so you've gotta get creative and be aggressive. You can't keep doing the same thing every single year. I think John Ryan Dick ask. President were very united in Alliance on that front and I. Think to so to me. That's something that is important. It's critical as part of the most critical thing we know we're GonNa make mistakes, but let's be aggressive when we make him. And if and if you fail with something, guess what. Another opportunity out there. Let's find it and go after it. Is there a good booker like documentary or something like that that you could recommend like as far as it's been helpful for you anything recent or do you want to keep that to yourself? Good stuff out there. You know there's a lot of good stuff I read a lot You Know I. Just I just read a good book. Think like a rocket scientist. Maximum awesome book You know See Stories is a great book You know there's there's a lot of good stuff out there and you. Just you know I just. I just finished the the new. Book it's not new, but you know talking to strangers that that book is is is really really cool, and you can get a lot of really cool stuff. Scouting in there I think blink was a book when it came out. another Malcolm grab while book that that that really affect the way that I think about things. I love that book but yeah I'm I'm I'm a reader? I I do a lot of that I watch documentaries. I'm into a lot of the military type stuff, not history. There's just so much out there that we can use in different ways to either make ourselves better or make the organization at whole better, so I I think people should spend more time reading Reading things in than than watching movies and TV series I mean this stuff out there too and I regard, but if you really want to challenge yourself, I think you need to go out and find people that are successful. In different ways study what they do and find out what's relevant to you in start doing some of that whether it's. Tim Ferriss of the world or the Ryan Holidays of the world I mean they were really smart people out there. Who can help you beat the very best you can be. All right. So, what are you telling the? Same as like a I year twenty-three-year-old Grad assistant at Trinity Listening Right now, and he's hoping to run into somebody like you in a bar like you were all those years ago. Like what are you telling him if he says like, give me one piece of advice. What is it? Off Questions. Building relationships. use punctuation when you text. The appreciative. seek out advice. And learn how to communicate with people one on one. Pick up the phone and call somebody. Meet individually. You know one on one face time. Learn how to communicate ideas effectively in front of people. You know I mean as a scout if you really want to be a scout or coach for that matter. You're not living in a in a in a world of the Internet. In face to face world where you're going to be asked to describe. A player or you're going to be asked to Concept to a room full players. So if you're not comfortable doing that type of stuff, you probably not going to succeed. So evaluating is one thing. You know the world is learned litter with good evaluators. But. Then how do you take that evaluation? Make it easy for someone like me. Understand. What's important like within analytics? I know analytics is a great big field right now. There are some amazingly intelligent analysts out there in the field sports analytics. A lot of guys that can code a lot of guys who can write algorithms program and do all these things. But that's not. That's not the key. The key is taking that information. And dumbing it down for an idiot like me. In a way that you're speaking to a child so that I can understand all these super complex things and make decision the best people, the best women and men out there. That's what they can do. Suing job. Yeah so interesting you say that because I said that about you guys last year I was like I remember talking about three tight ends, and bringing in you know mark. Ingram combat like trying to put small players in the field against you. Remember, saying that to somebody like the best thing about the way the ravens have built is that I could explain it to a ten year old and I thought I it just hit me one and I I remember going through it and everything that you guys had done to sort of build the offense around the Mar. It's like you could explain it to a ten year old and to me. That tells me that everything you're doing is pretty common sense. Well I think nowadays Albert I think simplicity is is actually sophisticated in some way you know. You know. Think You know there's some there's some awesome books that have been written about apple and Steve Jobs and. I think that the idea of simplicity is still important that company in the way that they. Build their products the way they package products and if they can use really complicated things making them that that people can just. Appreciate the beauty of simplicity, and I think that's what we try to take these complicated things. It's still a game that kids play football. It's not make it. Too complicated. That's not take ourselves too seriously. there's a lot out there, but we still want to always drive towards making it as simple as possible so that the most amount of people can understand exactly what it is that you want him to understand. All Right? That's Eric, Decosta. He's gone from being the kid with the Boston Globe. Sports, section. Spread out all over his parents living room to to now being the Ravens General Manager Eric, I could. I could go for another few hours with the NFL. There's I. really appreciate you coming out.

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Joe Douglas joins Boomer & Gio

"If we are live from the travelling investors bank studio at jets camp jets training camp twenty and nineteen and just saw ira in staten island and <hes> seventy seventy five guys just like ira in staten island who were hanging out. She's like a jet fan fest over here and if you if you step out there i got a few and you're gonna zayn seven million autographs. <hes> a good thing is is that practice starts very shortly right and <hes> the better news is joe douglas h. o. Our brand new jets g._m. Joe douglas is with us. We are live right now so <hes> put that off line mouth to bed verse here. I got his mike up <hes> so <hes> so far has this jump into a situation where <hes> the roster is is what it is. You weren't a part of the draft report of free agency but now this is your team. What's that like. I mean it's been great <hes> starting week ten yesterday so <hes> it's where you get here the last the last week oh t._a.'s and you're all fired up and everyone was like i'm out for vacation so <hes> now it's been good <hes> that that gave me the opportunity to spend some time with people around all the building get to know them and <hes> a lot of good people here so just fired up. How is your staff coming together staff coming together yeah. We're we're very fortunate to get some really good people so able to <hes> higher wreck so again from the indianapolis colts and <hes> someone that i've known for a long time <hes> unbelievable evaluator and a better person able to get chat alexander from the ravens just a phenomenal guys well so and then phil savage used to receive liberal so you couldn't be more excited also with the ravens as well so he's been around and he's going to be a good sounding board. I'm sure for you. This is your first foray into this. I mean you've been around some really good. General managers aggressive gentleman's like howie roseman down philadelphia. So what what do you take from those guys when you come to a job like this and now all of a sudden. Did you become the man making those decisions. You know i mean i could talk for hours about guys like ozzie and people like howie roseman but <hes> just just the consistency that ozzie newsome brought every day. What a great leader man. He is and <hes> you know just his his his ability has his ability to communicate indicate manage people unbelievable decision maker and then with how we i mean a smart as there is in this business aggressive mindset and just unbelievable billy to manage cap. You know when i see you bring in a guy like ryan kalil. The first thing that i think of is that would be something that howie roseman komo with do bike he would go out there and try to find the guy bring a guy in here. That's going to make a difference or a difference plus. Your your background is offensive laurie you look at you. You're an offense pennsylania. That's exactly right but you know that that to me. Tells me that you do take what how he taught you. Maybe what pays taught you maybe what ozzie newsome use them talk to route and you're actually going to start putting that into effect here right. Is that a hard thing for you to do is pick up the phone and say we want you here. Ryan and we're going to pay are you. This kind of money and this is what the deal is. No actually it wasn't a hard thing. It was actually brought probably easiest conversation. I've had <hes> and like you said i mean with those three agree with those three guys with ryan ozzie and how <hes> it all starts up front in <hes> you know i mean playing offense line basically all through college and <hes> growing growing up you know <hes> it starts with the offensive line so that that's sensitive bone mentality your team and when you can navigate offense wine led by great people so <hes> it it's a no-brainer and so when when the word came available that hey you know ri- might have interested in coming here you can't you can't express how exciting that is that a guy who's a five time pro bowler. <hes> two time first team pro great leader on unbelievable player in person wants to be here you know and it's just it's an easy decision to make you just work out the details of how you get this done and and <hes> like i said when we first got here just <hes> you know when i dress a team i mean we we all we all could have been anywhere <hes> but we all chose to be here right here right right now and so the excitement levels high and when good people and good players wanna be here i mean that's that's really exciting talking to jets general manager joe douglas on the fan n._c._i._s. sports network. How about the decision to come here and that that whole process. How difficult was it for you to leave. What was a great situation knowing that that that this was it. This was the the place talk me through that that time period where you're making a decision you're talking to your colleagues and peers in your family. What was that like for you. You know that was those a not an easy decision to leave to leave a place in philly that that's that's firing on all cylinders right now and a great ownership <hes> great great head coach in doug peterson and <hes> you're really deep team and was able to do a lot of great things there so <hes> when you get the call one you're flattered to be part of the <hes> the search <hes> to you having having a relationship with someone in the building already <hes> like adam right yeah yeah so having spent time of the year with a adamant chicago having a comfort level with him says a person him as a coach and then you just kind of do some research on the team in the organization and you when you get in the building and you meet with christopher johnson when you when you meet with people in the building building. You realize how good how how genuine authentic people are in this building. How <hes> there's there's so many good people. They genuinely want to win. They <hes> <hes> they're. They're willing to do whatever it takes to win and you felt the excitement and <hes> just i can't tell you how great it was spend that time because you have a perception of what the jets were before you got to know everybody. I think everyone has a perception on every team. <hes> you know i i i the jets have success <hes> when rex came from baltimore and so i knew that it was a terrific fan base and i knew that there was a ownership that wanted to win terribly so <hes> i had the perception. One of the jets has just just being a team that constantly wants to compete and <hes> i've seen them have success within the last ten years so <hes> i it just it just was a good fit and the new york media side of things and being the guy front and center. Is this something you've thought about because you know when you're a guy who's in a front office. That's that's the highly thought of. It's a lot easier to deal with in philadelphia is one of those towns but you didn't have to meet with the media. You need to do a lot of that stuff. So you know now you're you're here in new york as the be guy did that did that cross your mind you know even though i wasn't out as much as i was exposed to the media and feeling philly media stuff and <hes> is that that was that was kind of a good <hes> you know foray into the <hes> dealing with the media so <hes> you know right now it's been it's been great but look i mean you you gotta you. You have to have a certain level of <hes> of mental psychological toughness to be able to work in this profession not only in my profession but these guys on the field. I mean they're facing adversity weekly daily so <hes> yeah i mean you you you prepare <hes>. We've got a great group of guys in the building that at the give me prepared every week for whenever i have to get in front of you guys and so it's been it's been great. I've never heard pets alignment talk this much. <hes> we're talking to jets g._m. Joe douglas she'd been here for ten weeks as you said so. Take take the jet fan through exactly what the g._m. Role is right now as as you're in the middle of training camp and you're obviously assessing your own team talking to your coach and all that other stuff. What are you guys doing within your office as this is going on yes so that's great. <hes> we get back. We came back early. <hes> some of us never left for the summer but we <hes> we came back scouts. All of our air scouts came in <hes> about a week before camp started and so with with us not having the ability to <hes> introduce new guys so the so the area scouts is important for them to come in early for us to spend time together for us to go over the new grading scale for us to <hes> really really hit so we're going to be able to hit the ground running. When we get back together in december go to set the initial draft board so that was the first week was just getting getting our area scouts in <hes> speaking the same language and then we come out here for the first week and a half and we we evaluate the team and so it's important for for our area scouts when they go out on the road that they have baseline of what they're comparing college gods too and so they they come out here on a daily basis they evaluate our team and we get together as a group we go over the entire team we sit in personal meetings with the coaches <hes> adam uh-huh sits in our personal meeting and so basically everyone speaking the same language everyone on the same page and so the scouts at the road last a week they're out in training camps now and they do a phenomenal job there visiting other training camps as well. They're going out to other college train college training. They have not not pro-trade. What about the pro side of things and how like you could fix a problem that you may see happening. You know i don't know where that problem may lie on your team but when cut down days calm and all that that other stuff you guys are scouring those things well right so that obviously that process started once the first week games have come in on video and so you know we have we have our processes in place we put dr but are short board shortlist together our work together so we've <hes> we've stacked at that board initially for the gaza currently on the street and then <hes> now. We're just grounded the tape. That's come in for this week so we'll get together as a pro pro scouting staff and <hes> you know we we have our processes in place <hes> we'll have our our claim board ready. I was just gonna say heck. You're you're kicker just retired in the middle of this whole thing right so you guys are now obviously have to be scouring the wires and everything else adjusted improvise we we we had some guys come in for workout saturday and so <hes> you know it's it's constantly. Our listeners going to constantly evolve. You know you got to be flexible and fluid and you gotta be able to just improvise and you know we're. We're going to be ready when we need to fill a hole. It's got to be an interesting thing to have so many new players on the roster. You're the new general manager but you're not the guy who who brought most of them here so you're here with a bunch of new guys. You're the new guy as well but you don't have a connection yet really so. How do i mean when you come in. You look off-season that that just happened that you aren't the author of <hes>. How does how does that work. How does that field as your roster yet. It's odd. I mean the timing timing of it. All was odd right like i said you get here and hey everybody and everyone's gone vacation so <hes> the timing that was odd but you g._o. You said the right word connection shen and that's what that's what i've really tried to kind of make a connection with the people that i don't know obviously had a relationship with some of the guys on staff here from chicago or other places brought in brought in some new people on staff that i talked about but also making connection with these guys you know getting to know some of these players and building relationships with these guys just kinda in seeing what makes them check and you know <hes> their personnel getting into their personalities and meeting their families out of camp. It's been great so <hes> look. I mean the fact that whether or not i chosen to be here. I mean that's irrelevant. I mean i'm excited that these guys are all out here competing every day and laying on the line every every day and it's been fun to it's been fun to see it's fun to see the energy and the competition level of practice and getting to know these guys in need and their families out here. It's been good but i was gonna say about. How about your responsibilities now because your responsibilities are different than what your your decision maker her guy that obviously has impact so when you walk around. It's a little bit different. You know. They know that you're out there. So you have to adjust to that as well. I would imagine that's a different kind of feeling for yourself right yeah but it's a little different but you know i can only be me and i'm i'm. I'm not one of these <hes>. I'm not one of these general managers. That's going to walk players and not not talk to them or i i. Have i have to build a relationship. I have to know these guys and look at the end of the day. We know this is a business. We know it's a ninety man roster right now you know we've got to we've got to find the best sixty three in fifty three plus ten practice squad so they know it's a business and but that doesn't mean you can't have a great relationship with so. I'm going to name a couple of players. You tell me if mccaghren overpaid edema run to joe. It's you're talking to you from me. Y'all be going there.

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Most Underrated Picks

First Draft

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Most Underrated Picks

"Welcome to the first draft. It's the post draft addition Robbie's Lee missing our buddy todd mcshay. We're wishing you the best todd but I still got Mel Kiper here. Mel made it through the draft. Still at home. I think I think low key one of your favorite drafts for that reason but I put words in your mouth but We are going to go through. Mel's most underrated picks for all thirty two teams. You've read his grades Gazillion of you. Read those grades. You've seen him do sportscenter. Specials I wanNA I WANNA just pick out for each team mel that maybe as maybe he's going to be better than people think it's GonNa fly a little bit under the radar we're GONNA go. Division by Division will start in the east with our old favorite the New England patriots. Give me an underrated pick for the Patriots. This year Kuyper underrated pick for the Patriots will probably be Michael on when new the Guard for Michigan. Who Really I thought played. Well I thought you know when you look at Ben Bredesen's got more publicity on who was arguably as good. If not better times and I think he would be for the sixth around one hundred and eighty second pick for an offensive line also had just inherent but on when who from Michigan I think is a guy of the late around Pixel would keep a close eye on nothing can be a startup. It'll be a really good backup and was forced and there. I think you can more than his own. This kid I thought had some really good tape. The three games I watched them in and I thought he might be going in the fourth round so I if the worst fifth he went the sex say. Pick one eighty two so. I'll go the guard from Michigan in round six to New England. I'll tell you. What now Dante Scar Nike obviously retired and maybe their guards are arguably the strength of this team. But with Joe Thune. He's future up in the air there. Jack Mason's obviously a great player I mean you know when the strength of your team and you don't necessarily know who your backup is you can really quickly become a liability the second somebody gets down so I think you're right there. They've they've made a Lotta Hay with mid and late around picks on that offensive line for years. The clearly wouldn't surprise me to see See them pull this off but one follow up. Now what do you think about Anfernee Jennings I? I don't think the rob link of compass is perfect. But he's a smart stay at home edge defender. It seems like that could be a guy that really thrives under belichick. Yeah I think he will and I think obviously this connection with bellwether chicken saving every year. You see an Alabama player come into the fold it seems like and Genesis have smart. He's very instinctive. He plays within the scheme very well. And that's why you see a lot of times not necessarily disrupting every player. We had signed his role in every play. The role he beat diagnosis screen passes can see him sift through trash and get to the ball carrier. He's a very slippery player very smart player and whatever he's asked do within the framework of that defense he did so. He wasn't always flashy when he needed to be. And we need to get a sack you could of. But he's an all around player. Who was really good. Third Round Pick for New England. All right now we're GONNA go in order of standings to there there we have it off two thousand nineteen the buffalo bills of the second team from these we're GONNA hit Made some made some notable picks and certainly Some is you've talked about throughout the year from Pineda from Iowa Zach. Boss is a later round. Get who here sticks out as maybe an underrated pick moss in the third round? I was GONNA go to Isaiah Hodgin the sixth wide receiver Morgan State whose father played the NFL. He's I I'll go. Isaiah Hodges but to go a little earlier. The third round for Moss pick eighty six. We thought he was a second. He certainly has all the production. He's got the versatility in the third round last year. They got Devon single -Tario Florida Atlantic. Really good rookie year. He was a key element in that offense for Josh Allen. Roy was a key to them getting as far as they got. I think he will be a really good one. Two Punch Single Terry and I think Isaiah Hodgin gives them that length wide receiver. The Josh likes. Throw it up and let him go get it. Obviously Gabriel Day was. I'd Say I'd highlight the sixth round. Pick Hodges but I do think moss in the third round was a steel by about road round. I thought he should have gone in the second round. Yeah I'll tell you what to I mentioned it After the picked happen and we were talking amongst ourselves but Mawson single. Terry you know kind of overnight if if you just healthy upside and everything. That's that's a really nice young tandem and on those nice cheap third round contracts that they haven't played here for a few years. You really liked the look backfield. And they definitely subscribe to the Mel Kiper motto. Which is you can get a good running back in the second or third you can get a starter and they might have done that but they really kind of have a little bit of a thunder and lightning element there now. Let's look at the. Let's look at the New York jets. Who I you know I think overall based on your grades had a pretty good draft did did I could pick out a Lotta guys. I thought Joe Joe Douglas. That are really good job Phil Savage. That helps out there as well. Our good friend Phil and I think when you look at what they were able to do help darnold but also improve the defense and they're not getting a future starter a starting quarterback Morgan. But they're getting a guy to do but not to go through their draft. This highlight one guy. I think Cameron Clark. I like what he did against Clemson when you play against an elite team does a kid from Chart A CHARLOTTE. Hold his own he did. I Love Cameron Clark. In the fourth round they can be a guy with becton will help that line and just go woman. Punters would big legs and can boom the football. I brought shame lecture when he was drafted. I think I think the man is going to have a long career. Ican like Sam Cooke in Baltimore. I think Bradman's GonNa have a similar career to that and I think he's a heck of a guy sixth-round but Cameron Clark in the fourth will help that offensive line. Nba Guy. I think can develop maybe not your one transition but certainly by your to mel one of my favorite parts of the drafts is it's every year it's in about the sixth round. Maybe we'll get one in the fifth or maybe the jags thrust one in the third. It's you're getting a little tired. It's like come on Lincoln. We can eat. And then somebody takes your number one ranked ponder. Us pound the accelerator. They got you know Brian Rider. Seth Markman these of this amazing team. They got like Nineteen Great Brayden. Man Highlights ready to go and it just gases. He right up fossil. Just Yup it's true of even thunder remember with weaver. Detroit lions and and of course Leffler. The punters are a key element but he can flip that field. You think you got them pinned in their own territory guy. It's a sixty yard punt so again. A great man especially with the wind away at swirls in New York at the meadowlands and all that kind of leg will be a real key. That football thing. I'll tell you what a guy who will draft punters earlier. The most is bill belichick and we know he knows what. He's talking about subscribes to that. Bill parcells hidden yards theory You know it it does add up if you watch titans patriots in the wildcard game. And you told me you wouldn't draft a punter in the sixth round. I I would question it all right. Let's jump to the Miami. Dolphins Mel That a lot of picks who stands out of somebody's maybe flying a bit under the radar. Well Malcolm Perry. I had a chance to watch him on the banks of the Sovereign River of the Naval Academy and Yeah what a great player. He was a quarterback. Now Keenan Reynolds didn't make it with Baltimore drafted him. He wasn't able to do it now. Compare is guy would super-quick feet. He can be in the running back scenario. You can use their own jet sweeps and reverses and wide receiver screens bubble screens. You can get him in the slot you can put him in the return game. I wouldn't be surprised if Malcolm Perry carpet niche and my Auntie to help out to be an integral part is a versatile guy who situation guy special teams as well. I'll get out. I Hate I hope not comparing makes it and I think if he does you'll get contributions both on offense and special teams from him. Call me crazy if in the Malcolm Perry if you've watched enough navy football. The dude is electric. If in two years after you're on the practice water returning some kicks somebody goes down and Malcolm Perry runs out there and plays nickel corner. I wouldn't be surprised. He's that level of an athlete. Yup All right now. Your top graded draft Baltimore Ravens. Just pile it up this year even with a arguably a super bowl level roster. Who's flying under the radar amongst so many picks? I'll give you a two. Because they got an as I think. I can't hold an eighth grade with best grade in the NFL. One player TYREE PHILLIPS TACKLE AT MISSISSIPPI STATE. That got him in the end of the Third Round One oh six he is a Colegio similarly type guys got incredibly long arms fierce. Pass a block on a run blocker. He can hold it. Morton held his own pass protection. But he's a destructive fierce. Drive block a run blocker like assembly brings that defensive mentality and that incredibly long arms engulfs the defensive. Lineman I saw go. Tari Phillips has a garden they need that with Yonder retiring and James prochet. I've been talking about him a lot. He got traded into the sixth round with Minnesota pick to a one to get the receiver from smu ton of production. What's going to be a key for him? As first and second year is going to be those punt kick return skills. That'll be a big plus football team. That's why I'm amazed like you say you go back to the packers taking a receiver. Here's a team. That already had Devon Rene they trade back into the sixth round and get James Prochet slip through the cracks and got into sex round. When I thought he'd gone the fourth or fifth round. So I'll go with with Phillips and prochet is two guys that are definitely flying under radar with Baltimore's draft. Yeah they they really stacked it up. Pittsburgh steelers. You have a chance to mention another Charlotte Forty niner here Mao Iowa. Alexai Smith He's a former Walker one. He's got that edge place ship. He's a steeler kind of player. They got a really good one and Alex Smith. No doubt about it. I mean that guy. Yeah he plays hard say he's really athletic. These got you can close quickly. Nobody out workum of. That's the key I think for him developing. I'll even throw Kevin Dotson. There is a guy wasn't even invited to combine that overlooked completely but Robert Hutton roof people's eyes Louisiana. Lafayette the second round the Miami. Here's Dotson and a fourth straight ahead guys a phone a phone booth guy Pass protection he's going to have to work but another guy we talk about. It can move people off the ball and I think Robert Hunt got the people to the tape not at the combine. We didn't think many of those guys would get drafted because not having pro days but I think with highsmith dots and they got help on. The line got themselves on a pass. Rusher Alex Smith. All right we're going to the Cleveland Browns and I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Steal on off the top. I thought Nick Harris was a bit of a steel late Just because it's like I love. I love it when teams draft centers in this range because it's not unlike what the Patriots did guards you get starters in this area they obviously have DC treasure there but maybe future star who else you got here is under the radar. Well I'M GONNA go with Harrison. Brian's why would they draft the tight end when they already have hooper coming in and joke all the guys they have? I think it was just too hard to pass up. I was a little surprised. Some of those tight ends when a little earlier. Joseph d'Ivoire even went ahead of him the Green Bay on I think to get Harrison Bryant in the fourth round. Pick but I'M GONNA go to one of Todd's favourite todd like Donovan People's Jones a lot more than I did. I didn't have a high grade on Donovan. People's Jones but six around Verka with a forty four vertical has got length. I thought he's got to fight for the ball more. He's got to give quicker out of his cuts out of his break. He's gotTa be shake that underachiever label. I mean Ronnie Bell Out Produced Eko Collins. Other guys were just out produced some shape. Patterson wasn't a bad quarterback Donovan. People don't should have been more. Productive should have been more dominant. He wasn't you dropped to the sixth round. Hopefully the light goes on with a kid with an awful lot of talent but never really thought the maximize that ability with Michigan. But the pick one eighty seven Yeah even if he doesn't make it it's worth pick at at in the sixth round and take a kid with all those skills that Jones has. Yeah no I mean people's Jones I mean let's just little diversion here but you see these guys go off the board in the sixth round people's Jones again. I think he said ran four. Four eight forty five inch vertical. Six to think he's about to twelve to fourteen. We saw Desmond Patent from Washington state. Go also in the six round this guy. Six three to twenty four ran like four or five two jumps. My my point is is. It's incredible the level of athletes that you're seeing that position down that far in the draft. And I just keep thinking back to the fact that you're watching Alabama play football. Now you're watching. Lsu PLAY FOOTBALL THOSE GAMES. That could end nine. Six five years ago are turning into shootouts and the level of athlete at wide receiver. You know and they're going to three and four widen eighty percent of SEC game smell. It's really an incredible time at one point. I WANNA make bill. Polian had stressed this every time we were in a meeting with bill and talking about how you build and and put together a team and he said when you get into the seventh round of the draft. Don't take the overachievers take the underachievers with great skill. Great Talon and try to hope that the light goes on and you can coach them up because there's a lot to work with their okay. Some guys just over achieving in in college and they put up numbers. But they're just they're just basically stalemated the NFL. There's good as are going to get level off. They're not gonNA get any better no matter. How much coaching he really thought that taking guys like people's Jones in any players and we'll talk about highlight some of them today. That have tons of talent. But we're in the sixth seventh round because they were just like a classic underachiever. Okay those kind of guys are worth rolling the dice within the later rounds of the draft according to Bill O. In and that certainly is why is a hall of fame? Gm yeah bills. The thing or two about drafts wide receivers and other players to we were talking about that. You know anniversaries of the Ricky Williams Straight and I keep thinking back to the fact that everybody thought bill is GonNa Take Ricky Williams. Because of course and he takes Edgerrin. James Out of Miami and Indiana Indianapolis fans were mad. You can hear the boos and a hall of Famer now. So what are you doing? Most of the time Blake you say when you think about what Bill. Even taking peyton manning over Ryan Leaf wasn't a slam dunk in terms of fifty percent of the league. Like leafs so gone ahead of me when you were up there at the top and you gotTa make those tough calls. You got everybody sitting there. Chris is not like you how to fall on your lap and et native easy because the two other guys are gone. And you take Ben Rothlisberger say if the rivers and Manninger GonNa make that first eck and you gotta take either leaf or manning and you take manning then you've gotTa Take Williams and James and you say okay the Edgerrin James. That's when you talk about the personnel evaluators to make that call when everybody else is sitting waiting to see what you're GonNa do. And the obvious looks obvious for a reason and you go against the grain and you get people wondering and questioning and those players. Turn out to be great. That's what separates the hall of fame. Gm's from the guys who are just going with the flow. Yeah he's he's a legend no doubt and hall of Famer to all right Kuyper Cincinnati. It was God. Bless these guys because they never even really got into the thing like this picks for sale and it never was. They got their guy Then they get t higgins which is kind of an Aj Green. Junior probably is obviously not at the age as athletic traits is a number four. Pick but beyond that. Who Sticks out here who's going to break through early on the first pick in every round really. Joan Williams any play last year at three first traffic. Job Borough Joan Williams Higgins. Who's the first back in the second round? Every one of these picks was around earlier really. So I'll go Marcus Bailey. Linebacker at Purdue Daniel Jeremiah said on the draft that he had a second round raid one just talent forget the injury but wasn't for the injury would have been made his second round caliber player item in the third as far as not goes but we were both thinking early. Eat within the first two days. That Marcus Bailey. Should come off the board if he can stay healthy and eliminate some of those durability concerns. He had a couple of injuries at purdue when he was on the field he was flying around a field making plays. It's the Ron and coverage. He's a kid who plays hard break attitude great approach. I'll say Marcus Bailey. Get who you gotta get has of a second or third rounder knowing drops because of injuries if he can stay healthy and some guys are hurting college. You'll never get them hurting the NFL. Some guys are never heard college you get into the NFL and they can't stay on the field. So let's hope that Marcus Bailey's on the field because I think he will be a great seventh round pick for the Bengals of the Houston Texans we jump into the AFC south. They're first round pick obviously spoken for Laremy Tunsil guy can play and they they they believe it because they gave a pile of money to reinforce the point as this draft was going on now who else your sticks out as somebody who may be a little bit under the radar and by the way I can definitely start to feel old because I remember Andy Heck getting drafted and they got Charlie hack yet? He did The Andy Heck Rutta. It was on a national championship team in Notre Dame other SURATA LOU. Holtz all those guys. There were there with that team with Tony. Rice the quarterback but I think he'll is Ahah Coulter's allied REC- rat a Rhode Island. The rams actually had two other players both scientists free agents the offensive Lineman Kyle Murphy Guard center and also Aaron Parker Wide Receiver. Who's a cousin of Isaiah Coulter so Isaiah? Coulter had a great game against Virginia. Tech proved what he could do there. He's got length. He's got run after catch abilities the little raw but in coming out of Rhode Island. We'll take him a little bit of time to transition but I think as a putting measure fifth receiver right now on that team leading developed learn. I think is eight colon. Two three years could be a factor for the Shawn Watson catching the football and that offense. I think this is a this is kind of a hidden interesting draft Some of the kind of depends on how you feel about Christian Fulton. Some of the Kinda depends on if you think that there's upside like actual backup upside and a guy like coal McDonald. I don't know I'm trying to remember who on the broadcast to your big sleeper. And this one was. Now I'll say this about their third round. Pick Darren Evans now. You have thunder and lightning you've got Derrick Henry is thunder and you got Danton Evans's lightning and he can fly and he gets that whole and he can go the distance so your defense gets a little tired tired of hitting Derrick Henry and all of a sudden there's Darren Evans flying by and you can't get the right angle on this guy. That's that's the one two punch people want. They want the Big Guy. They want to the guy who has gained breaking ability. And that's what they're gonNA have now but I'll go to col- McDonald. Mcdonald's got armed conflict. It around he was. You know when you're talking about ward and the guys catching the ball and that offense Joe Joe Ward was one of those little receiver. Cedric Bird was the other and hit him in stride. We talked about. That's one thing Jacobson's gotta work on the underneath rose given receivers a chance at immense stride. Let them run. Coleman Donald did that very effectively and I think there's a lot to work with. They're still some mechanical. Things are working through but arm talent and all the throws he made it Hawaii other very the very throws. He made the diversity of the throws. He had a make. I'll say coal McDonald's round I wouldn't mind developing a quarterback with the Khan of armed he has and the experience only comes at early still made all out of throws and I think he's Kinda guy as a seventh-round ticket to twenty four Made an awful lot of sense. Yeah you know what I also like John Robinson. These guys didn't fall into the trap of thinking. Oh yeah we got our quarterback for the next ten years you know. Tannehill thirty one. He's going thirty two. He had a great season but even play the full season. He's been nicked up in the past. He's had the shoulder so they weren't you know they weren't just buying into the idea that this is a perfect scenario. They they think they have their guy. But as you and todd always likes to say you've got a quarterback you think is actually something in the six or seven. Go get him. Yup backup that. You're not paying anything for four or five years and I agree. I thought that was a pretty smart pick For the Tennessee. Titans a lot of good things over the last year all right. Let's round out the oats using. We're not out of the JAGS. Where at the Colts Indianapolis Colts? Who STANDS OUT? Here is an under the radar. I'M GONNA go. I'll let you have Washington state's desmond patent and you can enlighten us an educated on Desmond. Pat. You've was studying everything. Washington states gains with desma. But I'M GONNA I'll go to these delicacies these diminutive dynamos will both sides and Isaiah Rogers at Umass in the six round. He's got that Knack Chris. He had eleven career interceptions. He'll get up there. Oh pressure he's got really good instincts. He locates the ball very effectively. Dan Field he's got returnability as well. He's an outstanding return man so I think in the special teams in return game as a dime back. Initially that extra debate is as Rogers could maybe sneak on the field so I I wouldn't bet against the kid who who who gets the job done at the level he did both on special teams and intercepting passes you know Mel one thing that it Kinda cracked me up as this draft happened. I look back you know. They've got some they've got some receivers. They're in T. Y. Hilton Paris Campbell. Zach Pasco obviously stands up. None of those guys are GonNa go win. You a big jump ball no offense to any of them and they know who they have a quarterback and you know Philip rivers occasionally is gonNA take those shots. He he likes to throw to. The chargers outfitted him with some big receivers. A strong hand tight end over the years in gates and then Hunter Henry and they seem very conscious of who their quarterback was when they go get Michael Pittman six four to twenty plus guy who will fight through contact and when you jump balls and Desmond Patent again a flier maybe more of a special teams early on but again six three to twenty strongest catch point. We'll go get it for you. You you just get the sense. I kind of laughed. They know Phil's going to throw up a couple of them and say do your best fellows no question. They had one of the top drafts. They really did throat. The forest buckner in which we did and even L. of navy. The future starting quarterback possibly and Jacobson who can sit watch and learn behind Philip. That was a very Baltimore and Indianapolis were right. There at the top in terms of the best is a lot of picks where he said. Yeah that makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah now about the jags. I'm just looking through a lot of picks and I do think when you look back on this draft somehow some way Ben Barch from Saint John's in Minnesota in round four is going to be a factor on that line. Now we're GONNA be tackle or guard is a former tight end. Two years at left tackle short arms. I mean that's short super show but not quite the arm length. You would want but not super short arms. But you'd like his arms to be a little longer but as guard could maybe be a backup tackle. We've seen guys with his arm length. Make it I think Ben Barch from Saint John's in Minnesota is going to be a factor on that line within the next two years. Yeah he's an interesting one and I and you know he's not under the radar. It's going to be really interesting to see what they do. Kayla von Chase on out there just based on kind of like how they're going to line up It's interesting you look at this draft and I think it kind of flew under the radar. You and I like this expression I don't know. Who's a star here? But they gotTa Lotta guys. Shave can stay healthy chase. Sean can stay healthy You know he's had a couple of years of injuries but they did get. Some of those guys can become big timers you know. And and that's the that's what they're hoping for. They're with all the strength in numbers. The Jacksonville has yeah. I if you're not familiar with Scouting parlance we also do this in baseball. But I think I'm I'm saying Kuyper and I invented it and todd came along for the ride. You got guys capital G. Y. And you got a Lotta guys in the middle of the pack. They got a lot of guys mel they might have. They might have some guys here. We'll see Kansas City chiefs drafting after a super bowl title. We're willing to break the code. the Kuyper code and go with a running back but they did it right on the edge around once. You'RE NOT GONNA get them too much for that. Who else here sticks on a super bowl champion team? You know I think a key guy. And he's a certainly not under. The radar is really gay. Junior and you think gets a second. I must say second. Pick the second round guy. Because I thought he'd be a third or fourth at eight. They had that history of taking guys who need to be focused and really need to stay on a theon and find a way to put all that stuff that Mrs they didn't have a lot of starts but he's a talented kid and he's a gifted because about speed that a football toughness athleticism strength. He's got all all the physical athletic qualities you want. Willie gay junior has and I think when you look at at what they need and SPAG. Noah's defense in terms of coverage in the Delaware the linebackers needing to play various roles. Not just going to ask the quarterback but basically being able to tackle and space and cover. I think he's going to be a nice addition. They got the key guys. They may have taken them around earlier than people thought but at the end of the day he's a you know if he can find a way to play sixteen games and vengeance stay focused on the on the job at hand. I'm Jay can be a a nice Candy Cheese Denver broncos probably had one of the earlier surprises in the draft. Most people did not have Henry. Rugs his teammate. Coming off the board before John. Elway said Oh Jerry Judy sitting there okay Not a tough pick for that beyond that way. Already see some hidden value. Well you know what they did. Denver led the league this year in hit or miss picks guys if be big hits or big Mrs Kay. Jay Kamler fee doesn't become more consistent. Michael Judea who in play as well as he tested Lord Cushion Berry at Lsu at Games where you look like fifth round Second Alberto from Missouri. The yeah you gotTa shake that underachiever label but late. I'M GONNA go to a guy who's not in that category to me is Justin Stran- ad from wake forest. He had the biceps injury midway through prior to that he was really on everybody's radar. He's an excellent guy in coverage he tackles well in space. Wasn't able to be a big sack guy but he has a chance to help you from inside linebacker perspective there. I think the only had one injury now he's injury-prone so just insurance runs. Well athletic gets through traffic very well. Yeltsin getting caught up with blocks stays on his feet I think Derek Cusco the pass rusher. North Dakota State has almost MR relevant Could be a factor as well because he's got some talent as a Combo guy so an extra added. Fusco will help them on that. Second Line of Defense. It's your boys. Gruden out. There they went. They surprised US earlier. By the given a porn one out for Al Davis and taken to the four twos forty guy with the first pick henry rugs which hey those tyreek hill twice you. You can't blame them for coveting a guy like that and then of course they're going to draft a bunch of Clemson Tigers maybe in Ohio state buckeye maybe a crimson tide player too. But who else down the line here? I John Simpson's sticks out to me. I think I can start. But who else maybe. Well I think when you look at Mick Robertson Jose kind of that that slot corner who had so many interceptions and was so. Just just jump out at you when you watch. Louisiana Tech Play. He was the guy that has great ball skills. He's glued to the receiver quick feet wholesale in order for GOP. For Jon Gruden. You gotta be a Gruden Grinder and tackle and he does. Yeah I'll definitely go meek Robertson from Louisiana Tech they think they have their starter opposite Trayvon Molin and Damon are net. So now you've got the second round pick last year and Mullen. You got our net the first round pick this year. Now you add in a Meek Roberson as your slot winner. I make that to me and like I said I felt about limbo junior. I was GONNA get into what he can do. I like him. And I like Edwards third round receivers but a Meek Roberson is a guy in round four. I think we'll help them right away. Rookie as a guy that in with our net and Roberts are GonNa have to rookie contributors and a second year guy in mullins. This is a team that they can gruden building and the talent level keeps getting better and better each year. I was laughing because I think Robertson. Soon after he was taken said that they just got the best corner in the draft that was his and I was like I remember meetings where the certain guys that grew no pound the table for the corners will tackle yes and corners who think that like it seems like the perfect guy for John Steamy Melbourne. La chargers. I didn't call it San Diego for the first time in a while. I'm getting better. La Charges WHO's our sleeper. Jay Hill is a seventh rounder. And Joe read even in the fifth round out of Virginia. Receivers that you get late read at a really productive year for Virginia and Hill as a slot receiver. That's experienced that. All he did was just go about his business. Workmanlike Way and catch the ball and they're not slashing. He'll aren't flashy but they will be. I think for Justin Herbert. Who's The quarterback coming in? Tyrod Taylor is a quarterback now before you know it. It's going to be Justin Herbert's team and hope road with these two. They'll grow with him. Help grow with them read and Hill and they got one fifth and one in the seventh. I Love Joshua Kelly their fourth round pick out of UCLA. The running back to to receivers late in the draft will both help Justin Herbert and they're not. They're not going to be ones or twos. Maybe hills slot receiver but for debt than I think. For the fact that these guys are professional receivers away. They go about their business in the kind of production they had. I like those two guys were. They got him in the draft. And I tell you what we I mentioned it earlier but it is no party right now. If you're twenty nine thirty thirty one year old wide receiver in some of these teams. They didn't take one in the first four rounds. And you're like oh feeling pretty good and then some of these guys are GonNa Short the camp and you're going to be like who are these dudes again in the fifth and sixth round. These guys can play. It's unbelievable some of the depth that this position all right the eagles they obviously had arguably the biggest talker in the entire draft going. The old any reroute taken. They got a quarterback in hand. They were still unwilling to roll the die on earlier with. Jalen hurts that kind of dominated the conversation around Philly in the papers and the blogs and all that but tell somebody else. They got that they might be forgetting about is pretty good. Casey to hills out of Stanford who tested great at the combine rain you go back and watch them. He created havoc. I mean He. He was definitely a difference maker getting after the quarterback at a number of games. He just gives you everything he has. You mentioned earlier. Rob Nick Name. Come out of purdue like a fifth round pick whatever. He was just the guy who gave everything he had to hill. We'll do that as well for David. Shaw consistent basis at Stanford. You could make an argument. He was best defensive player this year. The guy's got more publicity but play Jamie game out. He was a guy off the edge teams had figure a way to try to stop and contain. They really didn't and then he tested really well so picked to thirty three round seven. I'll go casey to Hill Dallas Cowboys Mel again. A team that had some other needs. But when CD lamb sitting there jerry on is gazillion dollar yacht. You gotta get one of those out of the Chesapeake by the way Jerry on his yacht says you know what forget it. I'M GONNA take. Cd Lamb. I like my wide receiver core. But they made some sneaky other picks down the board that I think maybe got lost a little bit too. Yeah Reggie Robinson the second really good year and when I talked to people before the draft like three four five weeks before it is in gem up the board a little bit. He's going to go higher than people think he's an under the radar really good young corner and I also say Bradley and I- Bradley Anaya. We ran four eight nine four nine. Some people adamant to combine. But he was a guy. Got here for the quarterback. You saw what he did with. Austin Jackson went in the first round of the Dolphins Bradley. An is got sack production Bradley. I is a Guy Cliff. Divers all of these. He just goes out there and then fifth around to get a guy with that kind of ability that he showed at Utah. Against Pretty good competition. We can week out. I'll take a guy like that goes against the grain and the ramp. You're in fifth ramp here and I thought he could go in the third round even despite that for eight nine every all the Charles suggs then run. Well either for I'm not saying it's GonNa be Terrell suggs Terrell suggs. Then run great for the clock. There's other guys so you can find guys purnell. Mcphee and Matthew Judah Zone Area Smith Rawal. Eight round picks it up Baltimore. Ravens became really good. Pass rushers and I think Bradley. I can overcome whatever people knocked the speed. The forty speed plays faster now. That four eight nine. Four nine bit hurt him. But I wouldn't bet against his kid making that team and being a guy could be a situational pass rusher New York giants. I'M GONNA go ahead and steal your guy because I love eighty six inch arms and Matt parents got him out of Yukon. GimMe a tackle. Who's got arm? So long that he can stand and dunk a basketball without jumping and I might reach for him. So that's my guy who's your. Who's your under the radar pick on the giants? He's GonNa turn into something. Well I've Darnay homes as a slot corner. We talked about it. There's a lot of these guys this year that were considered slot corners a Meek Robertson. Being one Joe Cya Scott Michigan State in another certainly Darnay homes at a really good year so I think Darnay homes is a guy that really keep an eye on an F. Fourth Got Xavier mckinney. The safety and the leader all of a sudden darnay coming in. I think that's a really good pick and really helps that secondary like I said in that role. I think he will be. The guys. Rookie can contribute to that secondary Washington redskins again like the bengals. We kinda knew what was happening at the top. They didn't move. They got their Guy Chase Yang Receiver out liberty who I think is I know it was on a USO somebody. You've talked up throughout the year. I just like saying his name Antonio Gandhi Golden. Is He your sleeper here? Yeah yes and I think it's six four to twenty three run that fast. You're on four six when you're six four to twenty three and that's not a bad time. I don't know what what I don't know what world people live when I say four six a slow six four to twenty. Three's he's not you know. Five eleven seventy five running four six. He's six four twenty-three with length and you he's a smart kid. He's got really good football. Iq when the ball wasn't thrown properly was inaccurate. He would become a defensive back to just break dig- on up that's what he did. So I mean this kid. You talk about catch radius. Throw it up red zone Antonio Gibson I think it was a good third round pick can be a fan of a running back receiver. You can use him in a Lotta ways kick return game but for you mentioned Dwayne askins throw it up and Antonio Gan that again he golden nine times out of ten. We'll make tough catch so here. We might not get great separation. Obviously he's GonNa have to work on that but I wouldn't bet against his kid. Being attributed to this offense Green Bay packers had obviously and arguably the most discussed. Nfl draft was. Obviously they moved up for Jordan Lov. I think people forget today. Aaron Rodgers is thirty six. I'm thirty but putting that aside there was some thought that because they draft the wide receiver. They didn't help. Rogers you've mentioned in this draft. It's it's a little bit perplexing. Why wouldn't take wide receiver but they did get some tight ends mel. That could be kind of interesting side to Guar. Hadn't third round a safety defensive end. The seventh randy couldn't get one receiver and we wouldn't even be having this discussion about the packers not one but your side to Guevara does have talent Ibiza. Kanada Cincinnati bearcat program is going to be Travis Kelsey but he could be a guy that I think helps. Aaron Rodgers Jordan was not the way probably four or five years to be the quarterback here because i Aaron is GonNa have a chip. Now he's GonNa say hey. You draft a quarterback. You'RE GONNA have to wait before taking my job. So this could motivate Aaron Rodgers. Even more problem is they should have gotten a Mercedes and that would not only help that. Aaron Rodgers would help that devante Adams because it's been devante atoms and nobody. He's the only one at wide receiver. There was a forty eight reception gap between the atoms and the number two wide receiver. Any miss four games with injury. What does that tell you? And you come into a draft with great wide receivers the strength of the drafting. You don't take one but aside the Guar could could say right away but I think we'll be a factor a tight end with his skill level. Minnesota Vikings have one of your top grades this year again. I'll go back to the action. They got a lot of guys here. Obviously some people know the Justin. Jefferson saw him obviously a lot on the big stage. Jeff glad me kind of under the radar really good football player but now that was really just the tip. I mean there was. I'm looking at the board here. Six seven eight guys here like could be a player among them who stands out as kind of an under the radar. Stud you know I think when you look at this draft. Kyle Hinton the guard from Washburn. I make this team. I was surprised he dropped to the seventh round. He was under the radar. Small College Lineman. We're really has some some ability but I'll go to a guy that I think when you think about you know guys that just give you everything they have. James Lynch Baylor is a guy. I was surprised that ruling take him because he was such a key element. I did take a brave fan. Roy of the Baylor Defensive Lineman Matt Rule did but James Lynch goes to the Vikings Chris. Spielman gets themselves. The Guy who's a I compared to the Dean Lowery Dean lowery came out of North. Western's really nice start was career with the with the Green Bay packers. I think you can see James. Lynch do the same thing and just a little note on K. J. Osborne Buffalo Bulls transferred to Miami Wide Receiver in the return Game Punt Kick Return Game Caja. Osborne's going to be a factor so you may have wide receiver. Maybe but definitely on special teams that returnability I think is what pushed him up into route. Bears got a couple of players at the top. I thought you know considering Leo Mac is still a part of this draft but coal climate believes your top rank tight end mel and then they also get. I think just Jimmy Johnson's of really good football player. You just feel like he's going to have a long career in the NFL. Maybe that's that's me. I'm not I'm not the expert like you but Jalen Johnson a pretty good player. It's a couple of interesting names beyond that though. Yeah there are and I think the go to jail and Johnston only reason he didn't go in the first round was because of the shoulder injury. That's it was the shoulder only and with not having normal draft process with the medical re checks that hurt him but we would have had a normal process had gone twenty to twenty five twenty definitely a before thirty two. But I'll go Travis gipson the kid out of Tulsa. He's got some pass. Rush ability showed that they can move him around and you can be up. He can be down. He could be fulfilling roles in that front seven and I think as a guy. You've just putting your ears go. After the quarterback he showed natural pass rush ability. He was a guy got after the quarterback he has the ability to chase and catch. Some guys can chase can't cut you can chase and catch. He'll give everything dive out there to try to get the ankle. Trebek Gibson will be a factor on that defense with his pass rush potential Detroit. Lions drafted a whole bunch of Buckeyes. Couple of a milk could start pretty early. No this was kind of an interesting draft. I thought they actually did a pretty good job. I mean they're not you're not GonNa hit home runs everywhere but they. This felt like a decent needs drafts. Knowledge guys are going to start but the lions got some guys where you can see if you're just going down their depth chart ways for these guys to contribute in rotations or back up primary starters pretty quickly it was interesting interesting draft Bob Quinn those pretty good draft overall. I think when you really look at it and you size it up against the rest of the division you size up against the rest of the League in terms of where this draft ranked pretty solid draft overall. I thought they could when you look at where they ranked with a B grade could even maybe a B. Plus bb plus. But I think when you look at the guys that were two steals or the the radar Quintas Safest when you hear Jeff Okuda say toughest receive at face all year. Safest Battle Zsa. He's got the ability ran a lot faster than they did at the combine when he had a chance. Obviously in preparation for the draft. He's these more of mid four five guy probably but quick decay understands how to get that positioning winnings in traffic and contest that situation and I think Logan Steinberg the guard from Kentucky just gets after highly competitive player they think improve the Interior that offensive line with Jackson and Stemberg. Which Will Roy Help Matthew Stafford but I see this as a guy but your third receiving option fourth receiving option. I would expect them to have a chance to contribute right away as a rookie and I thought he was a really good fifth round pick. You know he'll be interesting too because he has a seriously physical dude if if you told him to put on number twenty five you'd think you were talking to a of a physical safety So it'll be interesting to see if he's an ace on special teams too not not not. Everybody has those instincts but you know It'll be interesting he is. He is a jacked up wide receiver looking at the New Orleans. Saints the name that stuck out late Tommy Stevens it's hard not to write. Because he's going to Sean Payton. He can do some different things. That was one of them. What else did you see here? The kind of flew under the radar. Well not a lot to choose from Chris with four hundred bucks this. This is definitely a quality over quantity drafts for uh Sean Payton and for a for Mickey loomis. I think you look at at Adam. Trautmann Adam Trautmann's a tight end at a date and they say well you know Obi toppings coming into the NBA draft as the top ten top five guy elite player the most entertaining college basketball players. You never want to watch out of Aden was. Ob Top and shame. They didn't have a chance to have the tournament. Jon Gruden Dayton Flyer as well but Adam Trautmann was a quarterback turned tight end and he made some spectacular catches no transitioning from Dayton to the. Nfl may take a little time. But I think the whether it's drew brees is going to be a big factor with him or whoever is going to be in terms of the quarterback whether it's taste some hill who is a big factor there or it's Jameis Winston? We don't know what it's going to be Tommy. Stevens is an athlete. Tommy Steve Stevens came as Dole threat quarterback and can run. I think maybe even make him into an H. Back move tight. And certainly there quarterbacks with great legs and great ability from a mobility running standpoint they like but I think the third round Pick Adam Trautmann at some point over the next two years is gonNA really transition into this league learn obviously as a rookie and then be a factor in that pass offense because he can catch the ball and he's got the ability to extend. He's very competitive like say. A former quarterback turned tight end. Who really put together a heck of a couple of seasons Dayton Atlanta falcons positive a little bit in the first round with. Hdl Good player. You just thought it was a bit of a reach that spot but they did some interesting things later on and also save this one. I also thought they added at least one interesting name as an undrafted free agent but down the board who stands out to you. Well I think when you look at. Aj draw just go to him. Because I don't want to act like we're bashing the pig if he'd been picking up twenty four twenty four. Nobody would have had an argument. So you traded down from Sixteen H Eight. Terrell got beat up for that Chihuahua shakes game the LSU game if you go back tomorrow chase just made contested catches will happen as Terrell. Look back from the football. He was blanketing chase when a couple of them but he just didn't locate the ball. So that's going to determine their draft but I think when you look at the draft overall I think Mac Hennessy from temp wiped them as a center is the ability to be that center guard. And he's very athletic. Kid I think Matt Hennessy. Help that line lie number when they went to the super bowl that line the only offensive line and the NFL. It was intact from the first game to the last game which was a super bowl game. They should want against New England now. Offensive Line never ever had to move anybody in as the starter so there the entire way. Then you see some injuries amid some things happen. And after that Matt Hennessy's got to be a key elvin not only this year coming up but I think moving forward that center who'd be a guard but I liked the Matt Hennessy. Athletic could go in the second round and Mel. I'll just throw a one on drafted free agent. That's kind of interesting. If you just look at their depth chart there jared pinkney out of Out of kind of an interesting just because pain. I is there but after that you know. There's a chance to stick with this team. So it jared. He's an interesting guy. Because I thought Ryan into the year he'd be a second third round pick and all of a sudden you know. They got a change with coordinators. They don't get him the ball games. Because nobody even looked at. Jared Pinkney the quarterback. He's sitting there right and the hook zone when a third and seven wide open. And they're throwing an incomplete pass out to the kids. How can you not get the cock goes back for senior year? Ads as collage lipscomb Gibson would went undrafted. And nobody's looking for him. I mean how can you have that happen at Vanderbilt? And then he ran a four nine six at the combine and based on the drop in production both from receiving reception standpoint and touch stand standpoint dramatically dropped. He's sitting there saying. Why did I not come? Why not leave after the two thousand eighteen season? Why why did I go back for two thousand nineteen because he went from a third round pick to a free agent and and I don't think what he didn't now the four nine six you gotta blame for that but what happened during the year? I blame the coordinator and a quarterback. Because if you're not gonNA look at Jared Pinkney and throw him the ball eight to ten times again. You've got a problem. Yeah I don't know what it is a. There's just been some programs over the years and sometimes it's the quarterback they don't utilize tied ends well in the college game and it's just fascinating. I I won't get into it but I mean that that is a position where you just never know you know one of the greatest tight ends of all time Antonio Gates Played Zero College snap so you never know at that position. We've seen guys try to do it from basketball and try to stick but Pinkney just an interesting one to me because the guy can play run well but again as you said. I was thinking earlier in the year. Second Third Round Pick so when I saw him as an undrafted free agent like you can meet that. Get in get drafted but you cited the stats. I mean they never threw. The ball is way so good luck to him obviously Carolina Panthers Mel Derrick Brown at the top. You love it. Jeremy Chin is definitely one of your guys. They get him. He's going to be a really interesting. You know play. We'll see how they use them beyond that. Who's a sleeper here? Wanted Shinnecock also helped matter corner but I think to that length. Russians got the great length. Stanley Thomas Oliver from Florida international has that length as well attested pretty. Well a good year. I think he's a kind of guy. In the seventh round quarterbacks with skills and length make sense late and I would think and obviously brave you on Roy. Nobody knows more about Brady. On Roy Than Matt Rule does he takes them into six ran out of Baylor. St Louis Thomas all over the corner out of Florida. International would not surprise me at all if he made that football team. Tampa Bay box. Get the Kirk Farren Special. The physical Freak Tristan works in the first round. Good Luck Kid. You got a Garter forty-three-year-old quarterback who after that mall stands out as a sleeper in this Tampa Bay Bucks class you sean. Vaughan didn't get any help. Vanderbilt offense was just not getting it done and it was keeping my all. These guys went back. You may remember jared Pinkney collegiate lipscomb the to receiver tight end and also running back he formally Illinois goes the vanderbilt two years ago when they had Shurmur quarterback Shurmur Pat Shurmur son. Who was a good college quarterback right? They were able to run the ball and throw the ball and do a lot of things and be an interesting football team. He's Sean blown out of a heck of a year. He runs hard. He's got a little enough wiggle and change the direction. I think he will be a nice pick there for them in the third round because like I said his stats. Were down for what it was two years ago. That had nothing to do with him. More to do with the town around San Francisco Forty niners. They obviously get the two first round picks an extra one. Giovane kinloch comes over after the trip with the colts is there. Is there a sleeper down here? I'll give a special shout out to the UNDRAFTED. Free Agent Matt Fink out of Notre Dame. But who else has a chance to stick mail into a bigger role? I think you look at the too late round picks Charlie Werner and John Jennings or kind of tied together a little bit because they're both. Sec guys both were guys that have good hands. Werner can block as well There was some things to like about him at Georgia as a backup tight end. Probably Obviously Joe and George kills the main entity there but I think he can help out special teams wise and certainly can block give you a nice backup role for him. John Jennings guy contested catches quicker than he is fast and I forget the forty time. He plays quicker. It's got the size and the length with his ability and how hard which a hard worker great character kitty is. I wouldn't bet against Werner in Jennings being guys on offense that That GAROPPOLO's so I'll go with the sixth and seventh round. Pick for the forty niners. Seattle seahawks perplexed a lot of their fans early on. I take an guy you really liked Jordan Brooks. It's not the knock on the player though I know you have him greater than higher than some it was the question of. Where's our pass rusher? And I don't know if the board value really lined up and obviously really like Jordan Brooks but they did get the pass rushers later at least some raw material to work with. And then man I keep I keep looking at Damian Lewis and thinking this guy is going to be a dude for them there and they got him in the third round. Who Else Mel kind of stands out here? I Dj Dallas a running back former wide receiver. He had runs over forty yards several of those people under looking at forty time again. It doesn't matter for running back. Its quickness and he showed even though some game breaking ability so I think he and Freddy Swain Freddie Swain can also help in the return game I think. And maybe he's a fourth fifth receive but I think DJ Dallas in round four those running backs. We always say that we're the have they been there while I think Dallas is going to be a guy again now. You think about the quarterback situation at Miami. Wasn't that strong. The Eric things there now the transfer from Houston. So we'll see what he can do this year under center but quarterback was big issue that affected the running game. Because obviously stacked on scrimmage but he's still had production now DJ DALLAS. Didn't I like the way the kid run so I'll go. Dallas in the fourth round. The Seattle is a guy to keep an island. Two teams left. We're into the west the LA rams throw. Lewis is an interesting name. Could plug in right away. Who else is asleep or for the rams you know I look at this offensive line. They didn't get any TREMAINE anchorman. Seventh and eighth remain anchor. Play tackle will kick inside the guard. He's gotTa make this danger. That was a shocker. The drafting offensive lineman. It's all the two hundred fiftieth pick which remain anchor. We played on a team play for the National Championship and won one a couple of years ago. One before so it's just been an all the big games. He was tackle with his lack of length. And obviously he's going to be a guard but I wouldn't bet against the team I feel you're not draft anybody else. But other the other guys like Bryson Hopkins the tight. End Out of out of Purdue Brad Hopkins Son Brad Hopkins was a great Packwood Illinois. First Round pick had a great career in the NFL. I think you look at Bryson Hopkins. He can just be more consistent. He can stretch the metal. He's a big target. He's Athletic. He's got length but he dropped some catchable ball. So you can't have the drops and be a fourth round. Pick that's contributing. He's got eliminate the drops be more consistent but certainly like I say he can stretch the middle if he is a guy who becomes more of a consistent performer out there. By the way you mentioned this but camakers are running back who they drafted out of Florida state. It was you know he he didn't have you didn't have the juice early in the season but as as the draft process war on his name. Cape coming up and I'll tell you what it's rarely mentioned rookies that that have actual fantasy value but this running back jumped up. Chart is not completely settled. I mean they took this guy for a reason. Broked Alvin Cooks Rookie rushing record at Florida state. He is as we like to say a guy so keep an eye on camakers. No he yet. A lot of juice in it and people were talking about it when he went to earn every into real estate. That offensive line obviously not offensive general issues and Cam former quarterback in high school. Everybody wanted to big-time production. Early on and say he's got balanced is quick. He's tough he can sneak through a little cracks. And then you don't know how he comes out the other end and still running so I I do like him. Keep working on his skills catching the football. Keep working on that but as a pure runner yeah he can get the job done. Yeah it's it's a weird time when we're talking about really good Florida state. Seminole players who are pretty anonymous camakers actually fit the bill so says a lot about the program not allowed about can all right last team on the board Arizona Cardinals. Isaiah Simmons sitting there. So that's where you rip up your needs play and you just say we're drafting Isaiah. Simmons who else you're mel I I know I got one. I like when you draft running backs late. Who Don't fumble. So gimme E-e-e-e-no Benjamin who else you got. Well I will say this but for not taking a judge Rick Wills and taking Isaiah Simmons or not taking whoever it was you think could have should have been the pack trust in worse or whoever MCI back then any of those guys Isaiah Simmons in the first then you come back with. Josh Jones in the third. That was fortunate to see Josh Jones or could have been in the late first early. Second I don't think anybody would have argued and called it a reach. Get Him at pick seventy two so. They were fortunate. You Get Simmons and you get to tackle because they need help. Kyle was sacked with forty eight times that he was sacked. Once every four dropbox. They had to get better there. Jones is going to be a key guy. But I'll go with you wanNA know Benjamin He learned that spin move from Ladainian. Tomlinson he can as quick little jitterbug catches the ball. You got a ton of catches out of the Backfield. Another guy that you look at you say boy seventh round. Yeah I mean this is a guy. It's a steal because there's no way he's not the cliff. Kingsbury is not going to say. I can utilize this guy in my offense. Benjamin is is a really good football player. And he's versatile like I said he he's tough. I gotTA frustrate defenders says. It's hard to get a clean shot at. You just can't do it so I'm with you on Benjamin in the south around now we just bank through thirty two teams not that about an hour and ten minutes and then you don't have to talk me for like a week or something. This is great. Yeah Hey somebody's undrafted free as you mentioned them Chris. Check out some of those guys. These guys that normally would have been the fifth. Sixth seventh round picks some of these guys. The non combine guys. We said we'll be hurt by the process. Some of these guys were but Some of these teams were able to pick up. I think maybe an extra two or three guys maybe. Somebody's teams to three guys. Extra should have been maybe draft choices. That weren't so check out all the teams and who they took his undrafted free agents. And you'll find some players. Yeah that's amazing. Male people tend to forget that about twenty percent of the NFL fifteen to twenty percent depending on the year. It is these drafted players. And you know you came up doing this when the the draft was a lot more rounds and by shortening the draft. You made it a little bit better for these guys. It's a little bit more efficient. You can say you know what I'm qb three on this team As a free agent whereas if a team draftsman I just might have to go through. This process get caught and then start all over the place so undrafted free agents. I mean Gosh it's it's it's a lot of the NFL it's it's a lot of honestly what's fascinating is a lot of the best teams in the NFL because they carry some big contracts. Maybe big quarterback conference they're loaded with undrafted free agent so yeah it's definitely something to check out. Check out the depth charts. Have some fun. Those names like the Jared Pinkney that we talk about these guys stick left and right every single year. Just a little note for future stuff we're GONNA be doing on the next Tuesday on. Espn DOT COM ON ESPN television. I will have next year's first. Big Board Top twenty five big board for next year's two thousand and twenty one draft that will also have up the top five players at each position going into twenty twenty one and that will all be up on. Espn got dot com next Tuesday rain in the morning. Because I'm going to be going up. I probably at eight o'clock Greenie so all day Tuesday. We'll be talking twenty twenty one draft on. Espn DOT COM. That will be up early morning. Tuesday and I'm sure we'll do a podcast about that as well. Chris you never really escape now. Baronne we're onto. We're onto Clemson and Ohio state quarterback all right. Well we miss you. Tom mcshea Chris Bell and Mel. That's first draft for this week and as Mel just mentioned we'll get after it soon enough. It never really.

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DJ's Updated Top 50 Prospects & Traits Bill Belichick Looks for in Defensive Players

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

27:38 min | 8 months ago

DJ's Updated Top 50 Prospects & Traits Bill Belichick Looks for in Defensive Players

"And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and bookie brooks. What's up everybody off in a move the sticks? Dj Bucky here buck. How you doing man business ever? You put out some Really good content twitter and some stuff that you're putting on the web. So some of that has been kinda reacting to the aggregate tweets that you put out there. But I'm excited to talk about some of this phone apart. You know it was pretty cool. I and we'll get to that. I found a document. My wife have been doing some cleaning in. She found some old files. One of them was a folder called Scout School. Which when I was with the Baltimore Ravens Phil Savage had had put this into place where every scout would have to make a presentation to the staff training camp. In one of those presentations. We had somebody on our staff who had been with the browns You know all the way back to the early belichick years and Belichick had made a presentation to the staff on what they were looking for. Players in these are the typed up notes from that that discussion from February Thirteenth Nineteen ninety-one and they gave us Those handouts and this was probably back in two thousand four so when they gave us These so I found it in a of the stuff that he said in here still holds true today which was fascinating in in in the last twenty four hours after I posted this one of the top receivers in the NFL. Shot me a direct message and said Man It's amazing. How all this stuff is still true. Today this morning book. I had somebody say their owner On a conference call brought up what was said in in this. Packet it with their staff so I mean there's a lot of people that got a kick out of that thing. Yeah well it matters. I mean like Dj. We're talking about things that can stand the test of time and there's value experience and Bill Belichick said a ton of experience. He seemed a game A variety of decades. And there's some things that are. Common denominators debt will never go away. And I think what you highlighted in what you pointed out when discussing the offensive prospects. I think all that stuff matters. And if you look at the way the game plays out like it may have some ebbs and flows in terms of style of play from some outliers but typically the teams that went are two teams. That are kind of built like that. Packet describe Big Physical The ability to run the ball. When you need to run it quarterback that makes big decisions that can make plays when he's called upon And then having the variety of players to be able to depend on like those teams are always in the conversation. You may not win the championship each and every year. But you're always in the conversation you'll always under consideration no doubt and if you if you want to check that out just go on my on my twitter page sticks you can find it. I tweeted out the offense what we're GONNA do today on the podcast I did want to give away all the goodies on on twitter. So we're going to do the defense. We'll talk about what he mentioned what he looked for on the defensive side of the ball and see how that holds up today. So that's going to be a fun discussion. But before we get their book I do have updated top fifty of your chance to pull it up at all. There's not really not that much movement I can kind of go through some of the highlights. Here just get your thoughts on them but You know to. I mentioned after seeing that video the other day put too much stock into it but man. He looks like he's progressed quite well. It gave me a little bit of courage. Some of that Maybe twitter courage. We say because we saw that video posted on twitter and I moved them up one spot to number six on my list. He's still my number two quarterback but moved him up a little bit other movement inside the top ten. Jed Wills we talked about this You know going back to kind of where you were at the beginning. Jerick wills is now my tenth player. He moved up two spots. And that's about where he began the process book. I think I had eight or nine. So he's he's right back up there to number ten at some point time you get to this point in the process and you say hey. Let's not over. Think this thing what you thought initially was probably right. Dj We had a conversation. Probably on the phone about like how. Everything kind of goes back to First Impressions and after this long journey we kind of get back to where we started and I think the big thing with the guys that you mentioned is just kind of knowing who they are and seeing them play at a high level consistently over time is easy to fall back in love with those guys and I think judge wheels is a perfect example. He's really solid. He's been solid throughout his career. He's been saw that when you watched a tape and I think there's some conference in value to just take really good players and I think at the end of the day when we look at his draft in four or five years those players that we thought were just solid blue chip players. They'll kind of stand the test of time and I think digit wheels is GonNa be one of those guys. Yeah I agree in we get to eleven through twenty really not a lot of change Nobody move in more than one spot except for one guy in that is at number eighteen. Kenneth Murray moves up four spots for me the linebacker from Oklahoma and people wonder how can you move up during this time of year while some of its watching more tape the other part of it buck is when I've talked to the teams that have met with him and I have continued to have dialogue with people at Oklahoma? This kid's character in just the way. He handles himself as a pro and so to me I. I saw the ceiling with him. You know could you see the speed now? I didn't think I thought wise. He was good. Not Great but you get to the point in the process where you get more comfortable with the person in the kid and I'm like these are the kind of guys you bet on. And so I'm I'm in on Kenneth Murray. He's up four spots number eighteen for me. Good kid great leader. I think what's important when you look at a player like him year? We talk the the ability to hit running cover his ability to blitz his ability to match up with running back to all their stuff but the leadership stuff really matters The challenges that he's had to overcome at home. I think listen to May have ruled in rural talking about football versity and see how people deal with Decca Diversity in in how they respond and how they handle it how it kinda shapes and reveals their character. I'm more willing to buy into the kid. And I think the kid has to Reich on stuff to be successful we get to we get to the twenty one through thirty in. There's a little bit of movement. Here in mckinney goes down four spots so basically kept the list clean swapped him with Kenneth Murray so they just swap spots there kind of kept a little bit cleaner. Xavier mckinney still. The top safety for me. There's not there's no elite trait buck. He's just really solid. He's a good force player. He's got a good instincts is a great tackler again. Another character person but not didn't have those elite traits to me that I would say okay. I stand on the table. This is a top twenty pick. I have missed my twenty-second guy yet. It's funny with with Xavier. Right like Xavier strikes me as a player. But I don't know like I don't know the impact player he is. You know He solid but I don't know it leaves me wanting more at me. I don't know if it's necessarily fair to him. But when you think about like the top safety in a draft laws you think about a first round pick you think about what is he going to add to the deficit when I look at him? I see someone who can come in and be a solid starter. But I don't necessarily see a dynamic player. I don't see a game changer. So I don't know how excited with doozy acid in the first round to run the corridor to say that this is going to be my safety. He's GonNa Change Defense for the next five years. Yeah and that's a challenge and that's why you have some other guys that are behind him. That have a higher ceiling. I think he's going to be a good player. I think you're not going to miss on him. He kind of goes back to the whole doubles thing right. If you just WanNa hit a double Xavier. Mckinney's a double. You're not gonNA miss on him. He's GonNa Start for your team for the next eight years. Nba Good player. I don't know if he's going to be a dynamic player but I agree with. You is going to be a real solid good player. So that's where I have him. Another move over in this range brandon. I kind of wanted to go back to where I initially was on him. He goes up three spots number. Twenty four I just believe in. I believe in this kid man and the way he plays. He's a Red Star type player. You know I don't have. We talked to them. But I don't have as much information on him off the field. I enjoyed our conversation with him at the senior bowl but the way he plays the aggressiveness competitiveness. Those are the guys at the end of the day. That's the guys I want to have my name on. And that's why I moved him back up three spots at twenty four. I understand in in like we talked about the process right. We talked about the process. Is I just trying to get guys in the right neighborhood? Nash trying to kind of put them in the right house. And that's where we're at and there's some things like the guys that are really at the top of the board should be difference makers game changers guys that you can see the impact immediately when they walk into the field. And I think we're at the point. Now where we Kinda et borderline stage debord stage where we may get star solid starters but we don't know if these guys are necessarily going to pop and so understanding understand why he made a move. Yeah you kind of see the theme here as we go. Thirty one to forty The big mover there in that group is going to be Zach. Bon ANZAC bongos up. Five spots he's up to number thirty three and this is I think I had them in this neighborhood at one point time you kind of find his way back up there but again it's when you get to this point in the process book and say okay. This is close to being finalized. These are the guys that I'm stamping my approval on and I want to go with the guys that play extremely hard in our competitive Zach bond can rush. He can cover a little bit can do a lot of different things but more than anything else. Bucket just plays so dang hard those guys I want to bet on. Yeah man like People don't understand this but like hustle matters to me when I'm looking at the tape. Do you run to the ball. Do you finish. Do you do too little stuff That are considered to be kind of championship caliber effort when Look Zach bond his versatility and all this stuff absolutely love but I love the way that he plays to effort. Eddie expands how he finishes all those other things and so If I'm buying into somebody I want to buy into some Warren desk going to be what I call one hundred percent effort guy. A guy is gonNA play from snapped a whistle. He's GonNa make the place are to be made he's known lineup in the Rice Bates place. He's GonNa do the little things. Exact bond does all of that and I was even more impressed with him. After washing the senior bowl new out of his element comes in it. Just kinda makes plays just a steady eighty player. Yep that's him describe him and I think you'll see him go. Probably Twenty five to thirty five is my guess Jimmy Chen. He goes up five spots to forty. Three we've talked plenty about him. The safety slash linebacker some people view as a will. I think he can play down there in that role from southern Illinois He's up to number forty three. But there's two new additions and I finally did it book. I feel like we've been talking about this forever but forty-nine is Lloyd cushenberry. Who's a good player in wanted to get him in there? He goes in forty nine and then finally number fifty. I made the plunge. I slept like a baby last night after turning this in book because I put Jalen hurts in at number fifty. Yeah he has been a guy that he's such a polarizing prospect particularly on twitter The reaction that you get When you do things or your flowery in your evaluation of him is funny but I think. Dj We we've seen it we we've been around the game longtime and we've seen these players kind of find a way to Lasting carve out nice careers jalen hurts is productive. Daily hurts is smart. He's tough he's competitive. He's performed well on a big stage for two different teams. He's a winner. He's led his team to the winter circle to different teams and so we can nitpick in and talk about like ours. She would throw it a little better. He could do this a little better but at the end of the day like the total of everything that he brings to the table is one that. I just think you're GONNA have a tough time. Convincing coaches and scouts did he's not gonNA make it and we've talked about He's GonNa go day to would not be surprised if at the bottom of the first maybe his name call. I think he's really really solid player in the fact that he handled the to a situation with the way that he handled it. I think is just another feather in his cap and I find it fun. I mean a lot of people are like no guy's going in the fourth round. You're crazy am I. I don't know man. I think it only takes one team and I'll I'll read you. The end of my my summary. Here book overall hurts must continue to improve in the passing game but I'm going to bet on his eventual success to his playmaking skills and overall competitiveness. Kids wired the right way He's won a lot of football games. He can make plays a tweet this out the other day when I think might even talked about podcasts. Which was man. You're going to be under pressure in the NFL. That's that it's a pressure league. So how do you play under pressure? When you've got free rushers when you've got to be able to to think quick and make things happen now. You need to do one or two things you need to be able to identify it and attack or you or you better be athletic enough to escape and while. I think jalen still going to take some time to get comfortable being able to identify an attack and I think right away book. He's going to be able to escape and create in when you look at some of these quarterbacks draft class. They can't do either. I can hang my hat on the fact I know. For a fact this kid can escape and create. And make some place yeah. I think the escape decorating port is big but DJ. I wanted to go back and just think about what we saw from him. At the senior bowl we saw take a butt kicking in the senior bowl where he was getting drilled in hit and hit over and over again because they were having a tough time blocking them upfront and didn't flinch and for all the trays that we can talk about the quarterback. Your quarterback has to be a tough guy He has to be tough enough to be able to weather the storm and not change and I think for Jalen hurts. He doesn't change after he gets tapped around. And that toughness to me is probably an underrated quality that we demand from quarterbacks. But it's one of the things that he has that leads me to believe that he's going to be successful all right. Let's let's let's put a button on that. They're from the top fifty. 'cause I want to spell check thing in that time we have left and just talk talk through some stuff? He talked about on defense again. This is nineteen ninety one So Buck I'm going to go through and read you. What he said on the defensive line As well as kind of the overall thing so at the very top it says defense Defend the middle of the field. I not allow offense to run or pass inside pressure on the QB up the middle force them to go outside. Make sure you have a third down cover. Linebacker sixty beat matchup on the metcalfe's of the world etc. That's the first the first thing right there at the top of the list and I thought man in offense. He talked about being able to attack in the middle of the field and on Defense. He talks about closing the middle of the field. Yeah communists so funny like in common denominator like when I was a player in Jacksonville Dixie Ron who gray player play. He talked about. It's the same for everybody in every sport. You gotta be strong down to middle. So you're thinking about in baseball pitcher catcher middle infantile middle infielders into center fielder basketball point guard. Senate used to be the way that you win in football this right down the pipe you defile. 'cause your Mike Linebacker you safety you gotta be able to have smart guys that enforces. You have to push us to the edges. And that's where you put your speed. It hasn't changed. Dj never changes like the way that you win in the national. Football League has been the same. And it's been consistent from the sixties seventies eighties nineties to thousands. You have to be you have to control the middle of the feel and you have to be able to dictate where the ball goes on defense and on offense. She got attacked them. Right down the middle because it makes life easy for the quarterback and everybody else. I'm GonNa read. What he said about the D- D line. Dt's says t's and then D. ends. And then I'm GonNa give you the his all defensive line notes here so Dealing tear or nt inside guys need explosive quickness and can play well in a fairly confined space explode power quickness leverage if he's big and has explosive quickness. It's what you want for. Eight speed is not the main ingredient in size can be two seventy five an up if he has. The other ingredients need a big strong guy that you can bring in when you have to go across from the checks in the Muna's that's thinking back to that era defense events all around player big strong and can run. These are the hardest guys to find would rather have the big strong guy than the faster guy to stop the run I and can substitute in for the pass rush So that's kind of what he said about the D- line there bucking. I'm GonNa give you the the four things he says right underneath that number one you cannot get knocked off the line number two size over speed at defensive end interesting number three pressure up the middle for the QB can cause more problems than guys running around the corner and number four framed growth. Potential are very important while it is still a lot to unpack in that right. And I'm I'm I'm packet Using two different examples as we to Carolina Panthers into Super Bowl thirty eight and we lost to the Patriots on our Panthers team at D. Tackle we had Brenston buckner and Kris Jenkins who was playing at an all pro level time. Mike linebacker was Dan. Morgan into safety was Mike minner. All were blue players at that time but because Upfront Kris Jenkins could absolutely dominate. At the point of attack it may life easy and then when you talk about the INS at end. We had Julius Peppers Mike Rucker. Julius peppers was As he described him he was big. He was fast he was physical. He was doubt against a run but he also could get to the passer but Julius peppers in Kris Jenkins were the two most important pieces to that defense. And that is why we dominated Kris Jenkins ability to routinely put the gored in. The lap of the quarterback disrupted and destroyed the timing of the passing game. And then would you list peppers capable of not only stacking the line of scrimmage on the edge but also get to the quarterback it just made the defense nearly impossible to deal with and we played with two undrafted free agent corners. terry cousins and Reggie Howard and went to the Super Bowl so everything. He talks about a front. Those guys being disruptive they absolutely set the foundation of the defense. And if you're good up front you have a chance. Yeah I thought it was fascinating to about just the size on the edge versus speed. You think about power rushers versus speed. Russia's he acts like the power guy because he could set the edge as well We get to linebackers and we'd go through this one quick because I want to get to these. Db's buck but outside linebackers. Big Rangy Guy who can run if you can get them. They're usually the first round picks but settle for guys who can stay on the line long arms. Quick Hands. The six two outside. Linebackers are hard to like even if they can run up field. They're small with no range outside. Linebackers needs size speed and athletic ability inside. Linebackers has to be able to play in close quarters instinctive explosive tacklers. Who can face up and knock guys back Can play zone defense and not be putting a man to man situation so that's a little bit of a difference there. Nowadays Good Blitzer is must be football. Smart don't need. Great Intelligence need instincts quickness and aggressiveness and leverage in explosive power. So those the linebackers Well we have an example. Every day we walk in NFL network. They're outside linebacker. Willie mcginest as long as you can find and then when you look at Mike. Variable standing on the sideline the length stands out. So they're also linebackers are like death and then when you go to the linebackers and you think about the success that he had we tedy Bruschi Powerpack great instincts Plays faster than maybe he tests because instinctively he is able to play one step ahead of the offense. And then I think the common denominator in everything that you read that you're reading physicality toughness knocking people back There's a style of play. That kind of comes out in listening to you. Read come at that report. You're know that you can visualize how he wants his defense to play and I think the personnel evaluations match the philosophy that he's also put out there. I WanNa read buck great points. I WanNa read the safeties in the corners and then some overall things. I want you to touch on the overall things here. With the time we have left Safeties tacklers especially at the safety spot. And you want to be at least two hundred pounds speed four five two four six range need range of the two deep safeties You don't you do not need. Mental giants is what he said here. So you got to be more instinctive but you need size speed guy have to be able to cover man to man the two hundred pounds four seven five tough-guy cannot play for us. Guy Has to be able to play the pass. The traditional strong safety guy versus run is not what we need former corners moved inside to safety might be ideal if they have size ball skills and judgment are essential more so than pure speeding athleticism corner. Tackle enforced guys. You need one pure cover corner five ten ranging up cannot put guys on the field who cannot tackle size becomes a factor small cover corner guys that liability intelligence on defense is not a great factor. So those were. There's a lot to unpack there with that book but I WANNA get to this last point here because he says. Db's have to work well together like an offensive line need a sense of teamwork and unselfishness and I was talking to a coach the other day about this list and he brought up a great point he said I said I so agree with that. Cohesiveness of the entire secondary the trust understanding what some guy might be a little bit Weak in one area so on a particular covered you can kind of cover him up in that area. You know knowing each other so well all that communication he said think about we have so many coaches now that most teams have a safeties. Room Anna Corners Room. These guys don't even meet altogether as one group and he said he thought that was. That was a big mistake when you look at how if you compare it to an offensive line. That's not doing it the right way yet. Dj There's there's a lot of impact so A couple of things that stood out to me about what he said There's a reason why we're excited a little bit about the DB class at corner because there were so many six foot two hundred pound guys those kind of the guys. That coaches prefer. Because they're long they can match it with the big body receivers and if they're tough enough to tackle those gas can stay on the field when he talks about safety's Long ago I had a coach. Tell me that the ideal secondary would feature one safety and three corners and that third corner is basically. You're strong safety. So he can come down and the tie it in but also is tough enough to be a factor in the run game because you hear the the steady Commentary on tackling and then the cohesiveness of the secondary part of the reason why the Legion of boom was so successful. Those guys play together for a while. Kam Chancellor Earl Thomas Richard Sherman Brandon browner and even by Metro. They were together. Three four five years. And what happens? Is You begin to have a level of trust that enables you to cover up for each other. If I'm Richard Sherman and I see something I can tell Earl Thomas. I'll make a play. Cover me up in case. I get beat desks. Why Matters Yeah. I think that's a great point. I think it's a huge deal the last thing that I'll get to as we kind of wrap this this show up book. Here's his five problems. Five potential problems with the defense number one on the list is tackling poor tackling number. Two selfishness think about that number three. You need size. Big Physical strong is number four. You need competitiveness guys at play hard for sixty minutes and I love this note right here. What does a guy do on the PAT and number five is need symmetry defense? So it all works together. But I want to go back to number four because I was talking to somebody yesterday. And he's actually going to do this assignment for. He's going to have somebody in their personnel department. Put this together. What if you went through and you which you can do through the video right now for every defensive player in the draft it would take a while right but you have you had a bunch interns you could divvy it up and signed up and say okay and maybe it's more for next year when you have more time to go into combine meeting and say okay? You're a corner we watched you're on field for sixty this year and we gave you an F. for your effort or or we watched you on sixty. Psat's now chances you're going to block the kicker probably less than one percent but man you played that play like you like the world depended on. You know you're in a player that I think there's something you can glean from that as crazy as that sounds. I do think that does speak to a little bit of your overall professionalism and competitiveness year. Dj speaks to that but it also speaks did this so if you go back and look at Bella check and bill parcells. They use starters special teams and so they're punt team comprised mostly. They're starting defense. And so what you want. You guess who took pride in in college so you don't have to reteach them in the pros and when it comes to the effort on. Pat's is your ability to bounce back. Say you the quantity gave up a fifty yard bomb. Are you still stuck in that last play or are you able to flush it and move on to the next play? 'cause next played may be a become to a block. And that's the difference in the game so as much as we talk about the performance it shares on your mental your mentality. Are you tough enough to endure? Would you give up? A plane bounced back and then also the professionalism that you speak to do you play hard. Do you play hurt each and every play because the one thing that coaches don't want to have to do. I don't WanNa have to coach effort. I want to spend the bulk of my time. Dilawar technique the effort. You have to bring on your own. Do you take pride in your effort. So yeah there's a lot to unpack in that statement now again. I think it goes to the details of of Bill Belichick and why he's been as successful as he's been because every single detail matters and he's proven that throughout his hall of Fame Coaching Career. all right buck. That's GonNa do it for us on this episode here. I do want to everybody know We have the Justin Herbert three sixty episode. That's GONNA launch here. You're going to see that in video form That's coming Thursday two. Pm Eastern time you can watch the move the sticks video show on NFL dot com and then also we'll have that audio released as well So beyond the lookout for that it's It's it's really really one of our our standard pieces of content here that that we do each and every year the three sixty series. So I think you'll enjoy The boat the video show as well as the Herbert three sixty Audio so That's going to do it for us today. I want to thank you guys so much for listening Stay SAFE OUT THERE. And we'll see you next time right here on. Move the sticks.

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Tom Brady Working Out with Bucs + Tips for Scouting Live Games

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

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Tom Brady Working Out with Bucs + Tips for Scouting Live Games

"And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bookie Brooks. What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. Dj Bucky back here Balk. How're you doing Ma'am Man I'm good? How's everything how's everything? Everything's good man. Got a little pillow walk into the morning. I've turned into that old man who gets the walk in the morning. That's for sure thing that I get in and then in the evening I always have my little hit workout and trying to get to know so you don't join a miniature two days. I've been a war. I don't know if I can count. The walking in the morning is today but I get like my wife and I we get like four or five miles. Every morning. We know wave to the people in the neighborhood. It's like A scene out of a movie. I don't know if you saw the thing like I know we didn't have this thing but moisture Janda. I don't know if you saw the article. How he's lost like a ton of weight he's also sixty five thousand three months and part of his routine is He does like a pillow time by forty five minutes in the morning but then he and his wife going these five and six mile walks each day and he's gone to this radical where he's cut his calories way down really unbelievable but if you get a chance to check the story I read. It was crazy but were you there when you're drafted him. Yup that was That was one of our favorite picks that draft. We took Ben Grubbs in the first round and we had incredibly high grades on Janda. He was sticking out like a sore thumb so We took him in the third and kind of the rest is history. Ben GRUBBS had a good career. Made some pro bowls made a lot of money but marcy on the first ballot hall of Famer more than likely the best guard of his generation but there was there was there was a play with him against Iowa state. You can go on Youtube and you can find it on a reverse. He has appeal back block in that game. That's vicious as a block. I've ever seen from from a college kid but we loved him. The whole room loved him. He was like the scouts favorite. So it was one of those deals like we are took an interior linemen. But this dude we gotta take him. I think the funny thing in Rena Bet. I just wondered about the routine. They talked about like the discipline routine. He has in terms of preparing himself and getting his body ready. And how like? He had the same truck forever. How he had the same cleese did he. Unindo probowl to stay in this how. He's a very meticulous planner when it comes to getting themselves ready to play in anything that he does and so. I just wanted with you being in the room. Did he have that same reputation? Coming out of Iowa's that's something that they talk about because we hear stories background and desktop did the background match up to how he actually presented himself when he showed up on campus. Just no nonsense. Pro's pro and was like that when he came in I wanna say he actually played some tackle forced early on to my plates and right tackle before kicking inside. But just wasn't long. You know you can see the pictures in that article. You can see him kind of with his shirt off as a player like nothing gonNA stand out about and physically but just he was so technically sound coming out Iowa which a lot of those guys are and he was so strong so he he had a great career. Kind of our enforcer. I also think it goes along the lines of when you when you are young player. And you practising against Kelly Gregg who was a wrestler leveraged player you practicing into loading Nada every day like that. Those guys made each other better. I mean those are wars in practice with those with those guys not is funny. Because we've talked about it to competitiveness in iron sharpens iron. And when you have a good team man you talk about accelerating development of some of your young players provided they had the ripe mindset it absolutely helps to go against good players each and every day because if you competitive and if you're going to raise your game because you don't want to be embarrassed daily basis no doubt we've got we've got a fun show buck today. We're going to have an interview which I think people might think this is odd when they hear say who. This person is but trust me. You're GONNA love this. We're GONNA give you a little snippet today. We're going to give you a little more on the television show which is going to be Thursday nights six. Pm Eastern you can find the move the sticks TV show and NFL network. And then we'll give you the entire interview on the Friday audio podcast but the guest. Is John Smoltz Hall of Fame Pitcher for the Atlanta braves but we want a lot of different areas with him in. This interview is a fantastic interview man. I'm so happy that we were able to get the hall of Famer on his insight into the competitive mindset The similarities between quarterbacks and starting pitchers to culture that he created with the Atlanta braves when they went onto win fourteenth street division titles. And how Bobby Cox and the leaders kind of thing going Man It was just really really insightful. I think over the next few podcasts that our listeners really get a lot out of listening to him and how prepared and how winters stay on top yeah. It doesn't matter when you're talking about team building you're talking about winters hall of famers. There's a lot you can learn not only from your own sport but from other sports and I feel like we learned a lot from John. Smoltz in this conversation So we'RE GONNA AGAIN. You see the little more this on the TV. Show six PM on Thursday the entire of the entire interview on Friday. But I want to give you a little taste right now because John smoltz has got an interesting friend group. Let's put it that way. He's not hanging out with the same people were hanging out with but we asked him about the documentary that just wrapped up on the last dance on the Chicago Bulls. Michael Jordan wanted to see if he watched it and he had some interesting insight. Have you chance to to watch the documentary on the Bulls John? Love to know. Just your takeaway. After watching that dynasty on television after having been a part of a dynasty in baseball have I watched it was outstanding. I've got a chance to play with Michael Jordan and golf quite a bit along with tiger woods the most competitive most fierce athletes in in the history of of sports and I understood real quickly. What makes them tick? It's an inner desire to be the best at no? They're gonNA make the shot hit the shot and if they don't get right back on the saddle again do it again. I think that dominant shows of what what Michael went through. When you're trying to become a champion similar to what we went through. We were terrible then. We had to learn how to win that we had to bring is in. That taught us how to win that. We had to finally clinch something win. Something and you know. We thought we were going to run off four or five ourselves. But what Michael and the Bulls are able to do. It just transforms sports in a way where. I don't know that we'll ever see another guy like him. Sometimes you know as a leader you're going to bear a lot of Opinions about yourself even though they may not be flattery. But if you got a chance to lead your team and make everybody around you better. That is ultimately the goal of of a true competitor. That wants to win championships. It buck that was that was awesome and first of all can you imagine I'd love to be caddy on a golf course when you like who? Who's playing today? We got account. Is that account bill showing up today. I don't know that marketing guys a real jerk. I hope you don't have to caddy for him. Who Do you got? Oh I've got John smoltz Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan oriented doesn't suck yeah. I think it was fascinating listening to him. But I think what we're seeing is that The ultimate competitors all wired kind of the same way like everything is a competition and it leaves Not only the playing field but extends into all aspects of their respective lies. And when you have an opportunity to have tiger woods Michael Jordan. John smoltz three guys who insanely competitive. They're playing golf and doing things that they like to do. An competing You just get a sense of what it takes to be one of those elite level competitors and for jazz most to Kinda share those stories. is outstanding now again. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Here you're going to enjoy the rest of this interview. I promise you but some other things you want to cover today buck in give you a little heads up here and talk a little bit about what's going on with Tom Brady What he's got going on down there in Tampa found fascinating. There's a there's an interesting little clip that especially considering what we've been talking about about multi sports about about Tiger Woods about Lebron James. You know flirting with football. Maybe a little more serious than we ever thought according to him and something they posted on uninterrupted the other day. We're going to get into that. And then at the end I want to give you a little a little tutorial here from my buddy phil savage. Who was my scouting mentor. Who's now working with Joe? Douglas jets but was the very end the Scouting Department for the Baltimore Ravens as a personnel director. And then was the general manager of the Cleveland Browns. As good a scout is is. I've ever been around somebody that really taught all of us in Baltimore. During those years I found some notes from Phil going back to two thousand three at a Scout School we had in Baltimore and it was about how you scout a live game practice. So I think you'll get a kick out of that of just Kinda the checklist and what to go through on that notice. Funny Because Scout Schools. In how envited they are when you're young scout and still learning business or even when you inexperienced out. Sometimes it gives you an opportunity to kind of like. Just sharpen your your tool kit and understand. Exactly what is necessary to see players for what they are to be able to project him accurately and those things and so i. I can't wait to kind of hear what you get. It's fun we'll get to that there at the end of the show but I do want to get to something. I know you're intrigued about as well. Which was this little nugget coming out about. Lebron James Legitimately flirting with football potentially joining the Dallas cowboys. Leave his favorite team. So our buddy. Td who was the original producer of the move. The sticks podcast now over at uninterrupted. He's kind of the one who put that whole show together with the brand talking about football but I before we get your opinion on that but we can roll back some sound we had from an earlier conversation with Urban Meyer. Not The one last week but when we had previously with him about Lebron James the football player. You know it's ironic. I did recruit Lebron James. I was at Notre Dame receiver coach and and he was a sophomore football player coach at the Saint. Vincent Saint Mary's good friend and he said what do you think of this guy's like? Oh my gosh and so I went off scholarship and they started laughing at me. Said he's not gonNA play. You don't know who that is due. And I said no and he said US Lebron James I go. Who's Lebron James? Lebron is still the broader members. We still talk about by the way he would anywhere from November of two thousand Nineteen Buck talking about recruiting Lebron James there with Urban Meyer. Would you take away from that How would that have gone? We saw Michael Jordan Flirt and actually play baseball. What would that look like with Lebron playing football? The funny thing with the Bron James When they're talking about him participant overtime a two thousand and nine. So this is when Lebron James Is Young. Still kind of in the mix you might have been what twenty four around the time and so will compare it like this. Lebron James was six eight hundred pounds of Brian. James at a forty four inch vertical. I think if we kind of stretched it out and it Kinda translated it so that probably put him in that four five two four six five range in terms of how fast he would run will in with Tony Gonzalez and watching Antonio Gates. He is probably a better athlete than both of those guys Tony Gonzalez have football experience. Making the move over. It's a national have says Antonio Gates had a little bit in high school but didn't necessarily play in college. Lebron was a two time state all state wide receiver in high school. He has experienced. He scored touchdowns he was a legitimate player. I think is fairly reasonable. Incredible to say that you can see him having the kind of success that they had if given those opportunities to develop and really play the game and develop the game as a catacombs over from the hardwood to the Gridiron of late in his career late in the development stage. I think to me you talk about tight end and I you know look. He's so physically strong and I think he got up to like two hundred seventy pounds. I mean this is. This is six eight two hundred and seventy pound guy that is literally the greatest athlete on Planet Earth. And so I'm sitting there going to tighten like man. I'd be tempted to say you play. Julius peppers you around Julius Peppers yes the panthers tempted to say Dude. I'm aligned you up and a technique wide let you fly. Somebody try and deal with that. I think that we put him in his natural position because you play wide receiver and high school. You think about him being tied in I. Just I'm in the process of doing a top five at titans. And so when I look at the titans debt we were raving about George. Kindle is Travis Kelsey and IRS. I'm not saying he's as as those guys. But the next guys that come after that. How about Lebron James Versus Jerry? Cook or Lebron James Versus Darren Wallet. I think you can make a reasonable stretch and say you know if we're saying that a top five tight ends in the game are these guys you could slide him. In based on his athleticism his hand eye coordination the the overall ability to post up guys and play with body positioning. You can see him being at the worst a red zone threat because just think about the jump that Jimmy Graham made from being. I mean a marginal basketball player at Miami does not being disrespectful to his basketball exploits to be in a third round. Pick to being a guy who doing a time in his career was in. That conversation would be one of the best tight ends. I think you could take a better basketball player with better athleticism and say that Lebron James could be a high in player in the national football. I just look at Antonio Gates who I think will go down as one of the you know what three or four best tight ends in. Nfl history like he's in that conversation top three or four tight end. I saw Antonio Gates Play Basketball in college like I went and watched and they played in San Diego in a regional. I think it's Indiana one year. I went down there and watched him. I mean he was and he was a really good basketball player. He was not Lebron. James Man this is the best basketball player on the planet the Best Athlete on the planet. I just I don't I don't feel like it's some hot. Take to say he could have been the best tight in the NFL. I think without question he could have been the best tight end in the NFL. Without question. And I'm saying this heaven not only played with Tony Gonzales on the football fuel but playing basketball with Tony Gonzalez. Who was a really good basketball player? But Tony Tony's not Lebron James. Toney was the same athlete. Tony was a six four post guy who could play with physicality and toughness and all that and he had opportunities to play soccer league with. I think the Miami Heat back when we were in Kansas City and does things. We're talking about a high end basketball player one of the best basketball players that we've seen who has legitimate football experience with a full body in a body and I just think it I mean look without stretching. It is reasonable to say that look. He could have been one of the best ideas to play. He could have been someone that if he played from day one. He may end up being a goal. Djekic guy in football as well because when I look at Antonio Gays and Tony Gonzalez the success that they had using their basketball backgrounds to succeed on the football field. I think Lebron James could at least do what they did based on his background his athleticism and has no and I can tell you right now. You were blocked better than Jimmy. Graham having never seen Lebron attempt to block he. Will you been a better blocker than Jimmy? Graham feel confident saying that. Yeah but I mean thinking about what Jimmy. Graham was able to come very early get paid. He gets paid every year the number of touchdowns all the stuff that he scored. When he's with the New Orleans saints playing at a high level and the way teams are using titans. Now the tight end is really Italian. He's a flex wide receiver supersize wide dot playing space. Lebron James Could Duda and have success. Yeah I thought it was kind of a fun story so against shout out to our buddy. Td for put that thing together over at uninterrupted nice job. There gave us something to talk about art before. I get to these These scouting notes and scouting live games. Book I don't know if you saw this Just kind of came out a few minutes ago but the report about Tom Brady. Who is working out at Berkley? Prep who I actually is the high school where we've been there for the east-west practices. I think that's one of the high schools they used to practice at. I want to say it's the same high school Nelson Aguilar went to by the way went from from Tampa Tampa high-school out to USC and a now in the national football league from the Eagles to the raiders. But he's there Tom Brady is there. He's not alone. He has got the majority of the skill players for the Tampa Bay. Bucks there in helmets. Tom Is in full shoulder pads in his Orange Jersey with the bucks and they are out there going through the paces going through routes throwing the football around and to me. I would love you to talk on this because you have the experience on the playing side as well as the personnel side. But these guys who go home and have their groups that they work out with. I see drew brees. I would see drew brees down Diego. My son would work out. Andrew would be out there throwing Zakar two different guys and then eventually the saints guys come out there and throw them but there's a difference between trying to stay sharp and get some throws in run. Some routes get some work in verses. Having your guys out there working on timing anticipation getting a feel for them. That's a whole different level that Tom Brady's got the bucks right now. Let's be honest the Tampa Bay buccaneers having. Ota's with your skill. Gus when a few weeks ago Tom Brady gathered playbook from buying left. Which after you went to the wrong house. Tom Brady soaked in the playbook. He's now working with his teammates to make sure that they are on the same page and running routes understanding. Exactly how he likes to. He is getting into on where his guys like the catch the ball. They're understanding the nuances of this office. Whether they're teaching him or he's teaching them. And what you're hoping and what you may see is the Tampa. Bay buccaneers. Hit the ground running when they get together and I think the big investment for the Tampa Bay buccaneers was not necessarily in Tom Brady skillset but his mind and the culture did he brings as kind of like the ultimate leader of a team. Tom Brady is raising the level of expectation. He's raising the standard of performance to standard of preparation. Those are things that Bruce. Arians can't even do because ultimately the best teams are led by their best players. Tom Brady's the best player. We'll say the best player on the team. The hardest worker. He is getting guys to work to his level. I think ultimately the Tempe buccaneers are going to benefit from it. Yeah and you think about. I mean I think drew brees has been what he's been in New Orleans. Fourteen fifteen years running that offense you look at Matt Ryan. He's got have been in Atlanta for about twelve years with the same guys him. And Julio Been Together for a long time so I know Carolina about previously. I mean that's a whole turnover there with all new players. You Know New coaching staff. But if you're Tom Brady is competitive as he is. And you know you've got drew brees you've got Matt Ryan that division and those guys the familiarity. They have with one another with a coaching staff. As well as the players like you're playing catchup than to sit back on zoom calls. I don't think Tom Brady's wired that way to say okay. This is what I gotta do. I gotTA do. I'll just be patient. Sit and wait. Ni- that ain't him? No nothing for Tom Brady as he looks around. He looks super competitive. He obviously looked landscape quarterback landscape in the division. He understands what Matt Ryan has. He understands drew brees. He also understand the point that you brought it was really good the stability and continuity there those guys have in being in their systems so the only way he can close the gap. I have to out worked in Tom. Brady is we have to work them to get on the same page. We have to develop years. Maybe a decade worth of chemistry and continuity. We gotta do it this off season and regardless of whether everyone else is virtual ota in or doing auditor things individually. We have to get together and work. I got my hat to him. I tip my hat to those other guys for understanding what is expected with. Tom Brady on board and I think it's going to be interesting to watch the Tampa. Bay buccaneers now. I was looking at those pictures. And one of the guys who's kind of forgotten in there was OJ. Howard and I know there was talk about O. J. Our potentially getting traded now they brought in Rob Gronkowski. They've got camera break buck. The more I think about this with this team forward in a way to kind of protect Tom Brady both physically and then to just kinda save him and get him through the season as somebody. Who's getting a little bit older a lot older? I should say man. I think about twelve and thirteen personnel. I know you've got the big wide receivers but it'd be playing with a lot of two tight ends and I'd be sprinkled. Some three tight end looks as well. You know it was funny about this so I wrote about this maybe last week or two weeks ago the Tampa Bay buccaneers and Bruce Arians. Last year they only ran twelve personnel. In about twenty percent dish snaps. Which is ridiculously low considering the head. Oj How it and camera and break when you add in Rob Gronkowski. There's no reason why this team should operate about fifty percent of the time in twelve personnel. When you look at their roster they don't have a natural slot receiver so rather than put what I would say is inferior player on the field. Put your best players on the Field Russell? Best players should probably be two receivers Goblin Evans and then to any combination of those tight ends Gronkowski Howard cousy break How whatever they combination is. That's the combination that should be on the field the majority of the time and also by putting the titans on the field. It gives Tom Brady. The advantage of being able to utilize what I would call the running game and got I wish I had to I had the stats but James. Wisden off play at all. It was off the charts off the he only had two interceptions of his thirty interceptions. Only two of those play action. WanNa say yeah. Maybe Fourteen touchdowns offer play action and complete about sixty percent of the passes. Well I mean I'm not a metal. Well Yeah If. I'm Tom Brady like what they should be doing. Tom Brady the are going to open up. Is going to make it easier for everyone to have these explosive plays. That's the way I think. The Tampa buccaneers you. Play and this without a dominant running back behind him. Use the threat of the play action in the running game to create these big play opportunities. Yeah I agree with you. It's GonNa be fun man. It's GonNa be a fun division. I think we've both been talking so much about the NFC west About how intrigued. We are with how that divisions GONNA shape out but this is right there with it. I mean when you look at the NFC south and how this race is going to go down with the veteran. Quarterbacks got to Kinda rebuild taking place in Carolina but I would say man I feels like the other three teams in that division. Are All chips in like? This is our time. Our window is shrinking. We need to win right now. Yeah I mean I think is right now you have Tampa Bay. Who made the major investment getting? Tom Brady you have the NFL who have eleven first rounders but Cincinnati in their starting lineup. And you have New Orleans bring him back drew brees in his normal Kasa characters but added Emmanuel Sanders to the mix looming fireworks all over the place in the NFC south. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. WanNa get the plane no art. I want to get to this Scouting live games practices. Again this is from my my mentor. Buddy Phil Savage. Whose as detailed as it gets when it comes to scouts his mentor a lot of A lot of the top evaluators in the NFL. Several general managers really learned under Phil Savage. And so this is this is from again from two thousand three from a scout. School used to do this with the Baltimore Ravens. Every Scout Would have to make a presentation to the Group. We all get handouts. Take notes and it was something where we kind of learn from one another grow so this was believe this is Phil's report or his presentation from two thousand three so talk about going to games. I Okay Buck. You're going to go to a game and you're going to go scouting game. So this is something. If you're an aspiring scout or someone that's interested in this we talk about getting on which is free Nfl DOT COM slash game pass. You can watch the NFL TAPE. The all twenty to learn that way. Well there's also opportunity for you to go to Games when college games opened back up and you WANNA go chance. Get a chance to go watch them. You can go on your own little scouting trip here. So here's what you need to do the gear. This is what you need to bring Start with your your your credential and your parking pass. Hopefully you've got a press credential. It scouts were able to get those press credentials binoculars radio. Because you'll put your radio input your ear but in and you can listen to the radio. Call 'cause you'll learn some things. They have insight into that team having been around them all the time. You'll get some background information on some players that you can jot down a couple of notes while you're listening to the radio call watching the game. Stop Watch which you can use for. Touched a tow hang time for the specialists. Got To have your notepad. Obviously this is back in two thousand three. Said you had to bring a quarter because if you can't write down if you go down on the field and you can't write anything down. You could at least record voice memos because of the rain obviously everybody has it on their phone now. So it's a lot easier Pens pencils or pens. And then you'd have the your list of players that you're scouting for your team if you're west area scout in. Let's say Ohio states plan? Usc You're responsible for the USC players. So you would have your list of the USC prospects but then you would also have the the prospects were on the other team because once you've finished the fall once you got the crosschecks buck you would get assigned teams that you would have seen outside your area so you'd have at least your body types and you have a little bit of look at some of those guys is funny in in looking at this list making notes the one area where. I really struggled. Dj I never could use binoculars when was scouting life. Whatever reason it never really was a thing that I was really comfortable like whatever I kinda like to see the entire feel. The radio makes sense. Because I've learned I even ally watching TV copy of games because you know when I know being on this side. There's a production meeting. In a production meeting coaches give the TV analysts of insight that gives them perspective on what they say. During the telecast so I like hearing that stop watch the special teams stuff being able to do it? The no pet. It's funny that you bring him to know pet. Because if you have a number of players I would have almost like a design flip cord where if I have six guys on. Us's offense to watch why receiver running back office of line. I would have them in little boxes so rather than having to make individuals all over the place. It's all right there. I can quickly make a little note or nugget and the recorder. The recorded is a game changer. On your phone because when you use a recorder your is never have to leave the field. I had old scout. Tell me that very early a think about using your voice recorder so you're is never need to leave. You can always look at what's going on and just make those and when you get back to your hotel room. Then you can kind of transcribe the notes from your memo to the notebook. No doubt that's a great call on on using the recorder. And you get back. You've got plenty of time in hotel room to knock that stuff out all right pre-game arrival time. WanNa get there about two hours before kickoff. Get a chance to visit with coaches Sometimes you can visit with them the night before. If you're the away team you can find out. Sometimes you find out what hotel. They're staying at that hotel or just just get over there. No they might have a little bit of a window there to meet with you. You get a chance to visit with maybe a way the night before the game visit with some of the home coaches on the field actually coached can be very relaxed before the players. Come Out in the field. You can get some good information. There The depth charts any add. On's you're looking for any senior starters. So if they're going to be draft eligible obviously the seniors are all draft eligible so any senior starter even if he wasn't given to you as a prospect. You're power five school in. You're starting you're going to be responsible to put in a report on player so keep an eye on that. You can read through the press release for any additional information. They might have their go down to the field before the game buck and as a players come out we'd be doing we'd body type them so you'd look at their their bodies. What do they look like? So you can describe it in your report and I always did it really. You can get descriptive with the terms. But then I did a number system where I just did. We use the three through seven. Which was five is average. Six above average seven has excellent four below average three poor so really just a three to seven scale that we used and I think it was three to seven. Just because you five was just an average you know so you can have that as an average I would. I'd give their lower body a grade. Upper Body agreed and then overall so body type of guy was a seven seven seven body type like he was it would pristine beautiful body type but you get down the field because you gotta get a chance to look at these guys because you can't see that on the tape you might see a guy's just he doesn't. He doesn't carry weight well or somebody looks a little bit better than you thought. Then you're looking at specific skills. Quarterbacks you might be watching team especially with the college game now where you see so many bubble screens and you don't get a chance to see him really power the ball. Some of these whole shots warm ups. Usually they'll run through such a variety of routes you get a chance to watch quarterback's throw live. You get a chance to see what kind of juice kind of loss they can generate as well as how accurate they are. On some of those infill wrote down here it's taking a snapshot it's not the be all end all in terms of evaluation and warm up but you get a feel you can go down there and watch. Db's go through their changed direction. Drills you get a feel as he. Lucy fluid is tight. You can get some things out of that warm up. Yes for the impact where there One thing and I think all scouts should understand this. If there's a top quarterback in your area you have to see him live. It is mandatory. That you go see him that you go watch him play in a game. The reason why you want to get a chance to see him play live. Is You want to do a skills assessment. You want to get a feel for the velocity ONA's throws what throws he makes some of that. Is You get from watching them? In Pre Achim Heathrow depot. Can you throw things that he may not throw in the game? You also want to see how you interact with his teammates. I WanNa get a sense of what is pre game routine. Like having been around great quarterbacks they all are very meticulous in detail about how they go about getting themselves ready to play so I want to check that out when you talk about like. Db's and other guys. I just got to see to see how guys go through their work in pre-game Db'S I wanna see how fluid and quick are they tight with when it comes to their backpedal change direction when they move around Do they approach pre game with a level of seriousness? Or are they kind of Joe? Cool where everything is kind of too cool for school. They don't really pay attention and they're GONNA turn it on on Game Day. It doesn't really mean a lot but for me as I'm trying to really learn the player. I'm just kind of note everything that they do trying to get a feel for okay. Came out. Gal was early. He was the first one on the field. I saw him go through this very intricate routine to get ready to play and play well for me. It it okay. His preparation really really carries over. And I just kind of want to know everything that I can get from him based on how he goes about his process to me. You can learn. There's things to learn. Everything is an opportunity which again I'll get. I'll get off the soapbox here but just real quick buck. That's why I don't understand when people say I'm not going to produce because we're just going to do a private workout with him. Well if I'm getting ready to spend millions of dollars on a player any extra exposure I can get to them in their environment especially around their teammates to study him and see how he acts with those guys. I'm going to take advantage of it. I'M GONNA get my private workout as well so we can see how he does in our system and what we would ask him to do. But why would you turn down a free opportunity to be around these guys? I read a leadership book and it talked about the hiring process and it was studying different companies and our what this book was but it talked about the success rate of of guys sticking in not having to replace them in a in a short period of time was directly correlated to how many how many points of contact they had with them before they hired him. So you get you get to know somebody better think about just like any relationship you'd be around somebody twelve times instead of two times. You're GONNA know what you're getting. It's funny I have a great story about that years ago. Going to produce Lsu. This win. Jamal. Adams was only a freshman but I knew from the Nike tour. Whatever and there was a top corner there was coming out that year and being able to not only watch him but to ask them all. What do you know about this Guy coach? He's not he's not to one and he was talking about a player who ultimately was drafted around the second round but never really played at it was out the League shortly thereafter. And so not only. Do you WanNa go to see guys every opportunity but you wanna be able to see how their teammates interact with them and maybe they can give you some more Intel and background on what the plan is and what it could be when you bring him in. No doubt this is again this this last notes thinking again now. This is two thousand three. During this time frame a lot of times you would go watch tape at the school on a player and then you would go to a live game. Well that live game tape. You might not get access to that tape for five weeks like there would be that type of a lag before that would get into the system so there was more importance on getting this information. Because you couldn't get the tape right away now. I think a little bit of that's changed some of the importance. I think now going to live games to me is more about seeing guys how they move seeing them in their environment getting information. I think that's was more of the more what we get out of it right now but think back to that time. Phil broke down from the first half of the second half in the first half. Get a general feel for the game looking for one on one match ups by down in distance. So if it's first and ten you might watch the interior offensive linemen because you you're gonna see how they do could be rundown there You get in third nate. You could focus your attention more on the corner wide receiver matchup. What those guys are doing. Second half that have time. This was always helpful for me. I would have my notes so I'd have have eight prospects at a school and you get to halftime. I would look and see okay man. I've got a lot of information. I feel pretty good about how this guy moves and how they use him and what they do with him but this other guy man. I don't have anything on him. So you fill in the gaps in the second half for guys. You didn't get a chance to get a good feel for in the first half as you go through that then. The Post Game Listen to the press conference with the top players after a tough loss after big win you get a little bit of a feel for their personality and then kind of look over the stats and then off you go. But that was kind of the The way you would scout a live live game but but again I think now with the ability to get to the tape right away be able to sort the tape. The other thing used to have to do what you have to find out where these guys were on special teams. 'cause you don't WanNa have to go climbing through all the special teams tape and be like this guy. Play on teams are not. That could take a long time. It's a needle in a haystack. Trying to find some of these guys. Now with the technology I can type in the player's name into the computer punt kickoff return boom. It'll populate just the snaps he played in those situations so it's a lot easier now is a lot easier I'm go back to a couple of things that point which made the one matchups are absolutely critical and a lot of times when I'm picking a game I'm picking a game with those matchups in mind so if I am going to see Let's just say like trouble Lawrence next year? I WANNA see Trevor Owners play against the best defense did I can see in that area. Whoever that is I want to see him play in the best game so I could see him play against the best. Because I WANNA see how he reacts in response to either a high em- pass rusher whatever that is? I also want to dig down and see how to guys bounce back from poor place. I worry a little bit how they play but more. So I'm looking for a West Ev. Resilient moment what did it look like if a my top corner gives up a big play early in the game. How does he play the rest of the game? If he's been a god that has always been a bumper run corner. Does he. Back off in play off covers the rest of the game because he gave up one or does he go right back and do exactly what he's done and all of those games. I just think when you go to games there's so much that you can find in gleaned from watching guys play in person that I don't know why guys were turned onto opportunity to go to a game where you can really feel and sense. How play is. Does he leave an impact on the game? Yeah I mean there's a lot you can gain from that in terms of the personality of the player it's not just the performance but his personality you that comes out when you're around him in that live game setting at the practice but his real quick here. You're looking at the body types which we talked about. Do the same thing to practice. Work Habits Attitude Coach Ability. Those things you can pick up on the practice field critical factors in position specific things that you might not have seen in the tapes. Now let me give you. An example of how analytics can work together with traditional scouting so we can look at a player like Josh Kelley Joshua. Kelly run back from Ucla who got picked by the chargers now. We saw Josh Kelley at the senior bowl. Do a really nice job in in one on ones in passing in pass protection as well as running routes we didn't see him do a Lotta that at UCLA. Let's let's say he gets nicked up and doesn't play in the senior bowl you can be in the in the draft right and you have your analytics people and you ever scouts and you can have analytics. People which to me is a great. It's a great opportunity for them to say. Hey Red flag. This kid does not have a lot of catch. Production are running backs be productive in the passing game or they lose a tremendous amount of value and then the Scout. Who was in? The school can say listen. I went to the school. I talked to the coaches. They had such a heavy workload on him. They wanted to give him a breather. But I've seen this kid practice over the last three years and in practice I've seen him in one once pass block. I've seen him in one on ones run routes. This kid has natural hands. He can separate. He's got a good feel for it. You didn't see it. Show up in games because they didn't ask them to do it but he can do that. Just as the same. You can look at a corner and say man he doesn't. I don't know if this guy can play. The ball doesn't get challenged much yet big reputation that the other corner stinks so he gets all the action. I don't know if this guy can play the ball for the scalp can say. I watched him one one on once every multiple times over his career. This guy can find the ball. Maybe this guy can't find him. Play the ball but that's how to meet analytics and scouting can kinda work together. Yeah they can't work together like that and I've always believed that the front office that is able to milled hyon analytics with great film. Study Years Great. What I call scouts. They'll be the ones that go to the next level because all an do they give you information they provide information. And then if you have a scout who can provide context. Didn't you paint the total picture? It is also important what you're talking about the area Scout. The area scout has the obligation to make sure that he not only knows the classes coming out but then he begins to understand. Who's coming down the pipeline? So when you talk about maybe Josh Kelley. Just Kelly isn't really a great example but let's say just Kelly was Agata spent his entire career at UCLA. If I've gone to that school and I've seen him start. I notice him into practice field. I now have three years of Intel on a obscene. This guy progress each and every year when I got there he couldn't really catchable will but I've seen him from his software to his junior year. Really improve and when you watch him in practice he catches the ball with the wide receivers off the just machine. You can give that context that that just adds more flavor to the report and the evaluation and again last thing I would add on that is. It's another example. Too of how relationships can be so advantageous in the personnel community. Because I can give you an example cash. I want to say it was brocker it might have been brokers or maybe it was one of those. One of those defensive tackles who did not have a ton of sack production right so I believe it would have been brocker somebody else. But he came off the field and a lot of sub situations because they had a good group and so he didn't get an opportunity to Russia's much well defensive. Line coach had a great relationship with the Defensive Line Coach of the college so they gave us access to watch all of his one on one. Pass rush for like the whole season at that school. So we got a chance to watch REP AFTER REP AFTER REP of this guy rushing the passer. Okay this guy's got some tools. He needs to be cleaned up a little bit. But there's there's something there and again I don't remember this was brokers or somebody else but it was. It was a defensive Lineman who didn't have a lot of production and didn't have a lot of opportunity but when you have that relationship to get that access to that information again analytics ask the right questions that would lead you to the right questions. And then it's about the scouting side being able to provide the right answers. And that's how you can get to a good evaluation man. That's what it is. It's using everyone in the building to come to the right thing and so it's not analytics versus traditional scouting. Is that plus this traditional scouting. That's how you get the best answer so you should use it and there's a way to use it. I think we just have to be forward thinking when it comes to it at no doubt that was fun. We got to nerd out a little bit there. I don't know I know a lot of people are interested in this county and several other people. 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Surf & Turf: Former Jets and Ravens Pro Bowl Linebacker Bart Scott

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Surf & Turf: Former Jets and Ravens Pro Bowl Linebacker Bart Scott

"Surfed podcasts week five. We got Super Bowl champion. Willie Cologne what's going on. I'm Steven Che Bart Scott on the show today. This was the first Mr K. await. Mr Mr can't wait. This is the first interview that we actually tape for the show. Yeah we're holding it intentionally. Kept it on the shelf because we were waiting for this week in particular reason being it is Ravens steelers over there. Will you obviously played for the steelers. Yep for a good portion of your Bart. Scott also played for the Ravens for a good portion of his career. This was at at the absolute height of that rivalry going to rehash a lot of those stories a lot of really great lot. Feelings are exposed to a lot of feeling inside inside stories which are great. We'll get to that a little bit. I WanNa talk about a few things that are timely with the. NFL first off was timely with the robber. Oh yeah yeah this is. There's a big. AFC North Week in terms of topics. Let's go into vaunt has perfect. He's no longer with the bengals currently in Oakland Raider. He can't change his stripes. CBS suspended for the rest of the year for helmet-to-helmet hit on T- on colts tight end Jack Doyle Willie. What's your take on this. Is that too much. You know it's tough because as we highlight it is rivalry week right and you talk about the AFC championship purpose steelers Ravens what entity gay what hit into that right the Ryan Clark and Ryan Smith. You're here and you talk about what the culture is now to compare in comparison to what it was back in two different games. the problem of aren't perfect is he. He's a bit of the hothead. He's a guy who who if you just take away all I think he just had a total. I'm looking up right now. I think he's had a total of thirteen suspensions and fines and seven seasons with the Bengals so this guy's been he's been on a hit list for a while so you know it's one of the things you say well. The guys overly aggressive. He has to learn new. NFL NFL is his shown a pattern that he just doesn't give he hasn't altered game. One thing I try to do as a ball player is not not kind ought to be the old man on the porch like back in my day. We were out to do this and and and really try to take on the mindset. Well things have changed because I have seen gene the effects of ballplayers who do suffer from head trauma who do suffer from things that the League the game has given them over over of course of their career so I think what he's done is. Is You know a lot of people well is. It Fair is fair because he's been worn. He's been reprimanded he's. He's been putting a position where you know. Leaving Cincinnati was probably the best thing for him. He goes okay. He's named team captain by the way which the wild you know and so he was a guide Gruden one at that and you listen you know Gruden. You know the old time buck. She knew John Lynch. Was You know what Sap Brooks those guys are. All hard hits put that time during they played it was a different game that hit that perfect late on doyle. That's he gets probably a building star for that for being intimidated for being you know Leinna smackdown he's probably he's probably getting a couple taps on his helmet for Leeann that type of hip. That's not today's. NFL and I think what's it's important to really understand. Is that now the guys now guys are starting to look at those types of saying you know what we have to start changing ourselves. You see guys are starting to understand man we can play his game on at a physical level but we have to be smart about it and it was unnecessary what doesn't help his him running off the field smiling yeah because it seems like he comes off very dismissive in as as to say like he doesn't like whatever I can. This is nothing no empathy toward Iraq the guy here so it's it's it's trouble in that regard and then you also get this a lot of his actions or so-called immaturity stems from his days in Arizona Estate. He was a knucklehead in Arizona State and then when he got to Cincinnati when he got to Marvin Lewis Marv was a guy who was known. If we kinda turned bad apple into good good apples. Excuse me that didn't happen I think he tried to help Lante I thought he tried to really make him a better person the ultimately it didn't happen. I think a lot of people remember him. From the big hit he had on Tonio Brandon game. How a dream that was he pretty much line. Abo uh-huh yeah and took him right out Yup does in this is tough so you have John Running who's in charge of giving out far Susan Charge of player misconduct on and on and on Jon Runyan scumbag Yeah Yeah I grew up watching Jon Runyan and Michael Strahan Battles. Jon Runyan was a known lyman. I'm in that would clean up after clean you up around the power and so for him to say wow. This is too much for me saying something so oh I don't know 'cause I and it's tough to myself in the mirror. I WanNa die like that guy who did ship stuff dirty stuff to get in my opponent's head but I never my my intent was never to injure somebody or to take him. You know to take money out of pocket because when you can't play you can't make money yeah so it's quite a juxtaposition with our episode this week being with Bart Scott and you know there are a lot of talks about knocking guys out and you know that type of helmet to helmet type hits and then we opened the show with with Ventas perfect beings suspended for the rest of the season for a Hamilton talking about the individual hit. I mean it's so agree just Jack Doyle when he catches the ball. All is on a knee. There's someone about to wrap them up. Vertex three steps and then just eating like lowers the boom helmet helmet leading with the head. You know there's no place place for that. In today's game may be again to your point. If this were ten years ago that might be a different case but the reality of it is he was just not made for this era so he suspended for the rest of the year. I applaud the NFL and John Running for this decision. Yeah there's so many times you know. A guy can be given a second chance this guy it clearly hasn't learned any lessons from any of his disciplines on fines and suspensions. Get him out of here. The League is better for it really would have to ask you. Is You know we just put got a clip. A few days ago for National Pancake Day correct you take out von deserving slightly after whistle and then you kind of like really try to bury him into the ground yeah like a shark attack in the seal. What was it like playing against volunteers perfect and the did you guys have anything extra for always aware where number fifty fifty five well most guys who take on a percent of being the bad ass or enforce over the guy who talks a lot of shit unless I pay one of the biggest trash talkers in football enjoy porter nobody talk more. Shit Joe Joey Porter. I happen to play against Bart Scott. He talked a lot of Shit Heinz. We talk trash. You know I played with guys who part of the game was talking Shit. I didn't know Vantera perfect at the time when I played them. I knew of them like I said I have watched them in Arizona State. I'm a football guy so I watch in North Dakota state. Play sure you know eastern with Wisconsin. I don't carry long football's on so I haven't been watching the game and he if you take take away all the the nonsense that surround him. He's really good ball player. He's got a place on the ceremonies physical. He makes big turn tackles. He can cover space. I really like him. from a ball player standpoint. I would want him on my team but I want a guy who will play smart. That's that's guy one but fast forward ahead when I played leading in some real chippy talking nonsense and after a while I just got tired of his mouth and that's what led me to pretty much slam them on a floor in China got it. You know dog walking a couple of yards. A lot of what I'm talking about. Now was to culture you know you talk shit somebody was going to meet the Middle Rain to bang it out which you right that was just the AFC north so bengals steelers steelers and ravens it was kind of a Macho Macho thuggery type division and we pride ourselves on running ebel being physical making you tap that was kind of just a running theme around a division but Varney perfect he. I was just one of those guys you Kinda like I said into in time I did something dirty. My intention was never to hurt somebody intentionally but he the way he played the game you question that that within you question of in if you go back to even Osama and tackle on leaving leaving bell well leave your on ends up tearing his ACL and then you see the hit on Burger then you see the hit on a beat you know those type of things and where you say you know what that's not again does not. I grew up in kind of a more blue collar rough and tumble grill gritty type game. He's doing something he's trying to not guys physically out the game and we're not talking about by. Doing you know making a big hit. We're talking about doing something extra you tear. Aco Man. That's a year you step on. Somebody's clavicle or you try to break. Somebody's somebody shoulder. That's year your livelihood wrecked and so that's when you say you know what that ain't it. if you're trying to try to make it dirty you're making it now. We may have to go to the park Parkland. I'll have to you know I'm GonNa have to come out of stands and we have to find you near the bus so it's it's strange man and you know this guy in two thousand eighteen at had had suspended four games. PD's he had another legal hit two thousand seven he was suspended three games in two thousand and two thousand seventeen and another one in two thousand sixteen so this guy just doesn't get it and I don't know I've I've got who lost a lot of money for things I did on the field but I try to be smart about it and also I had a rough time. Stephen Shave TV timeout. We stayed on the sideline about to run onto the field. I get a huddle the referee standing there and turnaround kind of looking at packages defense packages run early if it's nicoderm whatever the REF looks right Amigos. I'm watching you fucking sixty six. You make one more you do one something. That's your ass said Damn. I haven't even done anything yeah he was a he's a we. We we know about you and so I was like wow so the whole game I laughed it off and it didn't stop me at all but it just let me know that all eyes on you all is birth. There's no way he could've thought he got OUTTA. Wave that hit so if you're if you're going to be dismissive and willingly doing things to hurt guys at target guys. We just can't have you out there 'cause you're. You're intent a as this e this hurtful evil so yeah moving on but staying within the division we had another big hit this week kind of not in Donovan is perfect or normal tackle type way ravens cornerback. Marlin Humphry took down Odell Beckham junior in kind of a big show asked choke choke slam dancing around and proceeded to choke him while he was on the ground the problem with us a there is no flag there was a raft three feet away looking at this and see the browns were actually the ones that got flag thrown on them after the play for you know inciting kind of bigger scrum drum. Willie as a former player did any of your former teammates or anyone got taken out and you kind of had to jump in and were were flags eggs thrown as a result of that. How would you react if you were Odell Beckham teammate. I would've spirit home. Freeze all yeah a hundred percent but that but that goes back to my days against Baltimore two more I mean there is I mean people. I mean I remember seeing Ray. Lewis in Heinz lockup enables trying to slam each other real quick so that would have started a scuffle awful so I I was used to that. I think this what happened in particular during this play this happened during the third quarter right and I think before I think Beckham right hand item or there's something chippy tour humphries the kind of sparked it. Excuse me for me. There's always two sides of the story. It looks you know I don't know what ob LBJ did but he did something to get that type of reaction right so we can all get mad that'll be. Jay is getting choked out now. He you know nobody was there to save it. The REF Kinda just overlooked all of it but that ref and I'm just going to throw it out there and I could be totally wrong. He probably watched those to go at it all game. It was like you know what okay you know. They're just being guys. Don't mean but on the flip side of that if if you really look at it the what's more alarming. Is that not one oh. BJ's teammates came over because there's a there's a common run a a little known law football awkward you fight with one you fight with all of us. I know I took office locker room. I know that was the culture with the steelers. If you see one of us in a scrap doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're a special teams player to got damn you serving US waffles in the morning. If one fight where all fight we get flat flat together and we get labeled on discipline and we'll get to slap on the wrist but the other team will know you got hell coming at you. If you try to start that shit with US nobody came. Oj Side so which leads me to believe Dat at some point if I'm Jay when I get up I'm talking about. I'm looking at my five line that one. You came over now one that tire during a play that now one of 'em could this push this guy off me. I'm getting I'm getting choked on national television so that's more alarming to me because no matter how much I feel about a guy I'm gonNA once. He wears if he's wearing the same color he wears a helmet. He's now my brother and if you motherfucker meet nobody had that attitude and so I thought that was that was something that made me go How much do they really like oh. BJ How much how much are they how much they really binding it'll be Jay because you didn't get a lot of catches the Sunday he did not. I think he had one we had one baker hasn't been playing. Well Yeah so you know it just makes you look behind the curtain a little tighter because I tell you what let somebody less than my job born hines or or Mike Wallis or been or he would have five dogs on his neck by that one guy if I'm Freddie Kitchens. I'm closing the door. You're at the Office Amino. Might listen guys get you know we're struggling with trying to make it work we we. We've made shoot off more than you know. We bit off more than we can too but we gotTA. We gotTA finish out there. We've got to protect each other to see one guy first of all. We're not talking about the second-string receiver what's. Ob fucking Jay now. One Guy helps them out. Yeah I mean that very interesting insight thought that I would not have thought about honestly very interesting tears perspective on on that now. We're going to get into our interview with Bart. Scott but I this interview is presented by Ernest. 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Did you have a draft part of the were you expecting three draft. I mean you you be put up some good numbers in college. I didn't want none of that. I didn't expect anything and you know Ozzy's. A Crook Ozzie Ozzie stalked me for nothing man but he gave me opportunity that was more than I can say about thirty one other teams. You know L. Late in late in the process. Kansas City chiefs came through and you're they actually offer me a at that time when you only got a five hundred dollars signing bonus opposed to fifteen thousand about signing bonus you know that was that was a real decision. I had to make early in life. I've always been able to be able to see the long game and not worry about like the short time gratification gratification of of getting a fifteen thousand dollar signing bonus but then I gotta live in Kansas City right and I was already going to school in the Mid West. I knew what that was all about. I mean you'd think Saint Louis this is. This is a Shithole. What do you think Kansas City was going to be. Well not okay. I love scans in all your emails and the potty mouth polk but he does bark because right now. I think people don't understand so it's it's easy so you're talking about getting drafted in late round dinners guys who are undrafted like yourself. we know the fact that when you step into training camp forty-six added a forty eight already filled already. There's are a I mean starters. The starters backups backups. You're really behind behind the eight ball you walk on your walking on but in the League is different because I was Germany Lynn but people don't understand you go from really being a bitch boy a holding the bags. You don't voice tells me a comb yeah. That's that's what they're hiring you four tackle dummy right how was because. I think people need need to hear the mindset mindset. Yeah you need to have to step into that position. Knowing what it is from the door absolutely are going in. I knew that the odds were against me stacked against me. Those funny funny because what happens is when you get when you go to rookie camp you get off the plane and they keep a bus there at the airport and they wait for everybody flights to come and that's like at the time were guys are measuring guys up and remember. I was in the same draft class as as every get their aries there. You'll be ill. Some other guys is there were highly touted. The Ravens had all these compensatory picks because you know they lost a lot of people in their expansion draft couple years before they lost you know Ozzy special yeah yeah so they say they lost offset Sam Adams and and they lost Shannon Sharpe and all that stuff I believe sharper went down to Texas in expansion draft all that stuff so it was a bunch of draft picks and you Kinda plug them in already and the fortunate anything in a reason why I picked the ravens opposed to the Kansas City chiefs is that because they were purged because art modell went all in to win a championship. He wanted to win a championship before he died so he wanted in two thousand and they back to the playoffs in two thousand one but they were so far salary cap that I knew I'll have more opportunities and oddly enough when I got there. Ray Lewis was was in a whole dot contract because he was twenty six at the time to me seemed like he had been league forever but came up the Super Bowl. MVP and he was trying to get paid and all that stuffs that created an opportunity to door but to go back to originally what I was talking about getting on the bus you get on the bus you see all these guys all puffed up on mountain dew all jacked up creating doubt they went to all these you know premier training facilities and I had to train at my school because I didn't know if I was going to have to go get a job or all five and it's funny because I'm looking at these guys is in the mindset is listen Bro. Understand that you went to Miami. I understand that you went the Michigan but guess what that University King Save Yo ass right now. we all equal now so you can you can look at me. Have you want to say I went to Southern Illinois. I didn't play with no. All Americans have three draft picks on my on my defensive line add to do that. You do make chicken salad out of chicken. Schick so I'm more than you think I am and we go see when it comes down to man for man because somebody's GonNa go home disappointed me because of your universe and I never heard your name Zachary yeah but it but it's GonNa be you and we'll find out because what happens is. We put these pads on. We all the same and I'm willing to go further than you willing to go. You know so you know going into camp. It was funny man because nobody knew anything about me and it's the whole story. Joe Ortiz always tells because they found me in the middle of nowhere. They didn't WanNa work. The out who's Scout Joe Ortiz was he was the scout right underneath Phil savage who was the head of college scouting who went on later to become general manager for the Cleveland Browns A got. A lot of people don't know is the reason he became general manager. The Cleveland Browns is probably because he found me and like a like it was like waterboy field of dreams right because house where because you know when it started with this guy named T. J. mccray and he asked the Chicago bears because back in the day they used to share air scouting right because we're not video and couldn't get good film because you know teams that have poor teams really didn't have quality at that time. VHS tapes so so they were share like scouting data because Chicago was not that far from only actually two hours because this was the time when soldier field was being renovated church and they were down in Champagne so Chicago told the raves that was nothing to look at well and he said you'll let me get the tape anyway and and you know that that put a whole nother chip Mushota 'cause they told me how can we talk radio story yeah so it was like you know like they said look at but I I say let me see the tape for myself and evaluated anyway you know so is one thing for you not the lack of care but it's another thing to kill his dreams and his opportunities for somebody that made like him yeah. I mean but you know it's a it's a shady. It's a Saturday in a savage world you know so. I went there and and really I I was the only one there like I was the only one of my team even qualify to even look at me and the only reason they stopped to see is because Tj was like hey stop. I got this kid. Lloyd always think you want to look at them and they stopped there on their way to set paying to go to the University of Illinois the U. of I and I I went down. I ran a four or five one like thirty nine inch vertical you know and I I jumped like a eleven to like like they tried to straight up break me and my coach told me before you say listen. If you run a four seven bark just walk out. It's over your dreams. Oh wait go get a job. I've been there Dabuma to me off when I when I remember you bankrupted their whole organization no but I I get that feeling you brought when you made me think about it because I had I visited damn near thirty two teams. I just was on a plane every damn we shake hands in and out the door type situation. I worked for four teams on a Monday. My Pro Day was on Thursday so the teams that didn't WanNa. Come to my pro date. It was like a we work with you on Monday. It was the bengals the bengals the car news tools may have showed up and I think maybe Green Bay and you talk about break. You try to break me was I was crazy. After that I had want steel. Doc was coach at the time for the Eagles Ter- and he tried to break me to go and then Thursday is the pro day which I wanna jump at thirty seven. I WANNA adventure. I WANNA do up to twenty five times. I'm shot like I'm side and all these guys only scouts at the time we understand it was me Margaret from Saints Stephen Bone so we were kind of like the Golden Year of a small school of schools and I can remember like just couldn't turn engine broken laser shot. You nervous service. You don't know how your turn up in your head. You think you run a fast and you look. I mean they. Cauca calendar is bad. You know it's bad but you just gotTa go do it so oh. I remember saying to myself. There has to be a limit on how they work these kids because they really they seen enough taste of abuse. The crazy thing thing is at least you had a team to kind of like. Come on you. GotTa go. It was just me to a field empty stadium. Nobody do enjoy not he smile and I'm looking at it but this book is about you know what I mean like. He bit asshole. They dislike put it down. They won't tell you shit. We'll tell you number nothing because they don't want you to go music for somebody else. Oh we also. I mean three hours. Do work me out Geez. Take no water this go right. Just break me yeah. I would not break now. I was so fucked in this. I don't even remember my senior year. All I know is I had to go to class. I got a report car that was so tunnel vision man so so motivated to show all the people that told me I couldn't do something to make sure that they can put their fucking foot in their mouth so like so when I get there and I finished and I'm like man. You'll like you know how do he's like. He's like man. I'm GonNa tell you this. He's like I don't want to come here and I thought like it was a total waste of time. Only reason I came here because I was on my way to you by Namie. He was like man. You just put the best workout of had since draw bell. He was like combine. My number numbers numbers would have been better than almost anybody. I worked out so he went back to Baltimore. 8-o Phil Savage feels funny because Phil Savage tells this story Foolish Shit but Phil Savage tells the story because Phil Savage was the president or or for the senior bowl cups senior bowl so so he still it kind of tells a story every year as to start telling this story every year to every rookie coming into hey you can be the next Barscott and he was like listening. I I didn't know they discussed among each other not to tell anybody what my numbers were and I was like their little secret so in Baltimore papers. It's like this whole article. Article is line of articles about me being a little secret and I didn't play immediately for it but you know I ended up turning out to be a pretty good player so phil savage got promoted voted off of me. TJ mccray who found me was original scowl. He became the head of scouting for for Cleveland and Joe got promoted as well and the guy from Chicago fucking fired because they were like how can you miss this guy. He's right in our backyard so I I like to think I rewarded awarded people that took a chance on me and I thought the person that tried to fuck me. Damn that is a story I love. That's crazy so the first few years in with the Ravens you know you're kind and I'm a special teams ace silverback James Harrison the exact we fuck awards man yeah we was clipping shit out each other yeah with the you know you just kind of alluding to that the steelers ravens rivalry kind of you two were both in it during the height of it yeah. I got a little earlier this season war hero about we're we're fully vested. I start my first couple of years so it's great point. I didn't see maybe a year to best in it before. my first or star was like two thousand six on Monday night football and Halloween that was my first career start ever was against Pittsburgh against the Pittsburgh Bursts tillers and like ray her Louis Hamstring in a paper. All Week was like how to fuck the ravens run gain. Apo- Fast Williams like who the hell is Bart Scott and Tommy POW. We'd like to Barbecue Chicken all day you know in Monday night football so my first start is in Monday night football at hinds fall in Heinz field on Halloween fucking ravens and got down Stiller's and you know what they thought they were going to break. Rex created his defense called hall defense. There was only option defense and I was off the ball like ten and ten in yards and we had like two guys in front of me then the defensive line and they were slant and the other gods came automatic bliss which allowed me to be free scape gripper and I ended up probably having like twelve tackles like a pick in quarterback hits and they're like who the fuck that was the way I got my opportunities because when you're undrafted free agent a young guy you're only going to get a couple. You only reason I got to start because ray was hate. No My ass before so like God you guys linebacker got punished by God for being a hater so the week before I'm sitting there and Ray twitches his hamstring and it's like okay you go get your first start. I'm like Haley called you that no helmet giveaway he does so. I did a bar. You'll get your first star in the playing against Chicago bears. The Tom Jones led Chicago Bashar an here and I'm and I'm sitting sitting there talking to call. My mom like mom. Listen can go. Tom Don't tell nobody of course he told every fucking but don't tell nobody. I think I'm getting my first start like just tone in washed washed game. I'm GONNA give them a first start so she like baby says he tells everybody all week. Shannon's on TV now because he's retired. You Got Rod Robert Woodson. That's doing television retire. All weekday gas reopen the meat of Bush sugar. GonNa play Blah Blah Blah. Blah Ray doesn't practice the entire week right so I get on a second bus. I'm excited I fucking seeks locked and loaded like I've been practicing it all. We got AUTODROMO Automo- my shit right. GotTa say they've rates on the bus sits down next to me. Hey man what's up my children thinking about words courage. I think I'm a co two day. Look Joe. This is on the last bus. Yes yeah the last buses early but just the last bus all day unlike pre game meal gas card this talk today. So what am I going to say. I'm like really awesome so we sitting there there. They don't even have the tape on his path but they brought him but ain't nothing his locker and even decided nobody thinking. GonNa play all of us. Of course you say you'RE GONNA play. Don't play Mike Reiss. Oh Shit on Thomas Jones's a rainy muddy day. You know Chicago high address everybody a stretch or pitch to the right side good. Oh right shoulder pot Li Mao. I'll sit down goals fraser. Put that damn after he got the ball Adam. Thank you Jesus thank you. Jesus following weakness got my first dark. Israelis behavior one of my favorite Bar Bar Scott so my my so two thousand six's my rookie we go to Baltimore but as you understand by this time the steelers have won their super bowl two thousand five Detroit Choi Buses last game is to be exact so as a guy coming in Pittsburgh. When you get drafted onto a super bowl team it's almost like do you want to just everywhere you go the law of the hype? Everybody's like steeler steeler steelers so we go to Baltimore. I'm not very familiar with this deal of Baltimore. I've yeah I understand what the people tell me. I'm straight out of the Bronx New York. I grew up in New York. Jets jets giants my mother's only Pittsburgh Fan and my whole house will google first game. We go to Baltimore. I think it's like a fall day. At this time my office a line is Marvel. Smith Alan Fanta Jeff Harding's harding's and a young Mac starts running back Willie Parker. I've been in a meeting room. I know the game plan. I'm not dressed with his game by the way so it's not like I'm coming out there to do anything. I'm I'm pretty much. I'm a fan at this point. Just has to be standing on his shirt. Baltimore comes now and it's like I can't I can't I can't really elaborate. Hey how intense does fucking intro is. It's almost like a Mad Max Times two times. It's it's the most insane at Eh. I came to Hofstra. Our budget was it's. It's only like your parents harbors. I've never seen nothing like this and I can remember you talk about intensity. I can remember so jeff. Harding's had a bad back bad knees so I can remember he goes Willie. Maybe a rookie does I'm Mormon up. Hold these footballs so I'm like okay. I'm in my sweat holding these footballs. He's he's in a separate. So if you've got any away from us like everybody gets dressed and it's like always a bunch of random empty lockers. He's doing yoga stretches. He's full off sweat in he's hiking football's as hard as he can into the fuck in his random empty locker and it's just me and him. What is he doing like. There's going to be taking this NATTA. He just gave me a ball commutable move and he's. It sounds like if somebody's doing that so anyway game starts. I can tell team long enough to tell by different moods at a team. It was like suiting up and heading into a battle that you know some tell me. Your boys aren't coming back from. I can't explain it like the look in their eyes Veran. Yes it was like every like I've been around enough. Guys embark till you. There's is enough guys who can go from Gangsta the girl right. I played them with a lot of gangs reporter. Hampton all these guys straight killers imaz but to see it was a stillness stillness like they knew somebody's not walking off the field to be exact that happened. Be The day where I've seen prior to one of the hardest hits I've ever seen from this man right here. We're on the sideline. A slide protection been quarterback and so pretty barking explained the defense the a little better than me so I think it's like it's it's sixty two you protection for us. It's NBA Mona fern side. If there's a guy in the B. gap the right tackle slide down to the running back. You take the man on the line of scrimmage right well. He comes uh-huh Lovely Bart Scott. This is the plow I I'm staying as I'm standing right here. Break the huddle big. Mac Starches at right tackle. He has immediate threatened to beget that gives a tap that he sliding down. It's called gap call years. I'm giving a gap call so really has at this point no that he's taking the last man on scrimmage two hundred five pound Louis Park Earth yes as well about a time when Max you gotTa stay in Baltimore. Baltimore Stadium is loud. It's hostile we already in silent count so everybody is glued in and try to see the keys. Max gives us tap willy doesn't see tap tap because he's looking at the other side of the field where Max was looking so he. They're both looking this way. They don't see bar and I'm saying to myself big. MACs does this see. I don't think really sees it so they're pros but the hell right Max once once again give the tap he slides down. I'm looking at Willie Parker. He goes the opposite way. It is absolute highway highway two bins face. It's a highway and I can remember it was like it's almost like ricky and boys in the hood. They we know then gets absolutely absolutely decapitated by borrow and for the first time I've ever seen in my whole career that somebody may have died. I almost died and Bart gets up and he's the only like a dog biting attire right and Ben isn't the first time I've ever seen also stamp somebody up and like a puppet on he was cooked and I was like this is different. It was different because not only did tizzy and intensity that preparation but at this fact you could tell to every player on that team from both. Oh sized by the way was literally looking for blood. It wasn't like because nowadays guys will hold up guys a role. They gotta do this was like if I got a shot. I'm not gonNA KNOCK DOC motherfucker like a Pinata. I'm not the stuffing out and so from then on I was birth to a a rivalry. Will you now realize fuck Detroit Green Bay. Whoever different this is like trips this is this is some light? If I see you on the street there still may be some smoke from the heated intensity and passion so I credit Barscott probably from MEC- and one of the top five one of the hardest it's I've ever seen on football and the respect was okay as Pittsburgh Week and you knew we used to call the double Chinstrap Day. Let's discuss for no no no no pushy. Listen don't come out this motherfucker. Tahoe auto accident because like an introduction was like when I was on the style album just james trapped plex go bursts like fucking God into scrap on the sideline like what the fucking got myself into a full fist fight straight up I fly so james trapped after the play tackle plex plex gets up in his face he slams lamps places cold big jumps in airline. Bruce Lee with his cleats all lands on his chest. PLASCO GETS UP PUNCHES THEM SCOOPS THEM. They get ojected. They're fighting up the tunnel. You know what I mean. I'm like what the fuck you know. It's like it's like every day. You knew all shit watch off behind because is going to take a pill back somebody looking for somebody killed. Airdrie one year they insult to injury. I think he was returning a punt James Harrison talk about three but it was like we have this thing is when we knew in Pittsburgh came that you're gonna be sore for the next three days and it wasn't no such things like we didn't. We didn't practicing pass after we play Pittsburgh because we everybody had to heal up. Yeah I mean the the funniest one was which fullback I. I gotTa tell this story so this is I think we have the throwback jerseys on now now and this is probably my second third league bar. If you've ever any play contested bart shut the fuck up like he just he's. GonNa talk to you from Nipple Cool pre-game warmup so Baltimore used to do and I hated it and I thought it was so fucking stupid. Would they just love to do it. They will come out with their shirts rolled up to the top happening right with. LBJ everywhere vastly no bullshit. We'll matter how cold how cold it was just loads vastly into the arms. They all know what bodybuilders builds running along the field right and then they're talking. They're tall bars at the dam fifty talking shit this coming from Joey Porter's former teammate right yeah yeah. Let's see Joey. He was only one that was kind of. Doing that didn't have a six pack. He was nobody like these. All these guys look ripped up but the all arms are ripped all talk and should they look like a pack of dogs when we walked onto the field and so barr is talking the whole Goddamn game and we had a fullback by the name of Dan Kreider whose whose party most blue-collar hard-working some bitch. I've ever met didn't say a Whole Lot Virgina John Colin yes who didn't say just produce bald his ass off the office office coordinator at the time was Ken whisenhunt loved him. Everybody'll Russ Grimm was my office along coach. Love Anyway fast forward. Bart's Talk Your Shit. All I see is Dan like go. You know what I'm GonNa. Shut him up and then talk. Dan Doesn't talk. He doesn't know what to the Sinai daughter time out. So so what happened was like it's four minute offense. We clearly lose a game. It was always up to the winning in Heinz field like the book and goals to Christmas Pass Weird Shit ever happen. I remember fucking Ryan Clark and Willis mcgahee knock each other so so I'm I'm going on silent. This is like how to respect for Tom. Tomlin so DASS Talkin can shit is like four minute offense. Everybody knows that run the ball run o'clock. I'll put whatever so go to silent on a TV time and my math fuck you Dan. I'll knock your punk okay. I saw you always talking. They're shipped. Fuck you so like the play before I had tackle Willie. Willie may go get you killed. This is really focused. Suck sucks so he pops off book you mother Fucker like he goes to the satellite. TV time off so I go over there to their sideline all teams somewhere else is so Tomlin homeless sitting there and I'm like man fuck you so we arguing and Thomas Lives a coach. Hey I'm like put this forgetting. Betcha Nakas punk ass talking aww Shit just like he looked like you want fuck. Yeah I WANNA go. Tom had his hands cross. He's like Gogi today. So this is my fucking rent out there with this shit up you know. I mean she'll like that then. I'll let really finish for so gets gets in home use MANAKA's asa drop. It was pretty much eyeso- dive and I I'm base blocking on the frontside and God Damn Bart. It sounded like I'll never forget this sound. It sounded like a car running into a brick built. It was and so the place we all stand up and bars. I told you I told you I was. GonNa Knock your punk ass out. I told you go get him to all data. You put them in a body bag. He's screaming screaming. Screaming dance stands up and I've never seen this his eyes rolling around his head like a like a lunatic he he you just can't figure it out so he's trying to staggers back to the to the huddle and we're getting ready to go to play. I think it was going to switch Dan out and dams like no no no. I'm staying out I'm staying in on Fine Vanik. It looks at them and I look at them. Oh no you ain't unite even like his is a copper he can hit his is together. We gotta get him Outta here and the first time I've ever seen Dan is walking off the field and his legs go spaghetti bar. I told you the whole time up to the sideline. Talk Shit those sit another one out here going to happen again. He actually fell out and they had to go to TV time because he had to stop and take a knee so this was an organized denies Oklahoma drill. There's Mike Tomlin sanction shop. You Ball. Put that point on I bought I've been Pittsburgh a couple of times after that financial literacy program also Fall Company. I used to work with and you know he'll come in. He'll he saw me 'cause some of the guys there thought I was full of. Shit you know you are you getting a corporate world and you tell them what you the main thing. I want both ways to school uphill acerbic fucking lie funny because they came back remember. They did that special on us when we're talking about about the rivalry and they interview both sides you know maybe we is war man. I I wanted to fight fair. Does he not fuck Ed Reed as outbound outside but Jerry Johnson finally got him back a couple years later. It was like one of those things like has had memories yeah because the craziest thing that happened. I always had this thing where like the veterans you would pay Brookies for like certain things that they do so like on Friday. They will come with lists like okay. This is how much money he may forget a knockdown. You Knock Somebody Donald Special because what we WANNA do in Baltimore. Is We understood that it wasn't a glamorous job to be like a role player. There and you don't really get paid that much money so we will have a pot in our pot. It wasn't like some bountygate pilot that but it was clarified yeah Stephen Ears to talk show. Did it bountygate band light. I tire exactly nobody's buying the Jersey with gutter so so so if you've got a tackle inside the twenty first kickoff there was like two thousand thousand dollars and then every time you got one there at the words it was a thousand dollars and if you took a kickoff back home like a kickoff back on special teams you so you would get the the person who returned to get thousand everybody else on that was on the field. Get five hundred dollars right so we had this player called on Nakimora. Forget knock his first name. Hey y'all had a guy from Cincinnati to because he will dry yeah so yeah so Monday night football. We like Yo call them angry man yeah so we like. We like two thousand dollars man. I could kick off inside of twenty. I say knock. Yo if you not somebody else game and I play. I got two grand for right. Put It on his head. Come Down He. He does swipe techniques like I play. We run out there on the defense. Get started like book carries whoever whoever to do this from from Cincinnati these name was Andrea for a carries his ass out on a stretcher. He broke his back so he knocks but turns out the he was his roommate in college but that's what I'm saying. I ain't no brothers one. I know frizzy. Ingeborg fuck breaks his back. We come back. We we played in later in the season. I play the game. They said. This is not kids. Ask So it's like one of those things but you kept the fucking ledger about what happened and who's on fucking list where we had to stay red. Dot and I'm sure they have some shit to getting this today and they we had the same thing so you you always on age man. You'd never stood around Paul's. Y'All got the big ass fight but cleanup standards apologize cleanup Louis Up Yeah Hello Dave Punchy Butts kicked out the game. I want to ask you does bark. Do you and I know we're talking. We're going back and forth between steelers lose in in in culture of Baltimore but for those who didn't who don't know Baltimore because when you talk about Baltimore just our defense. That's what but it was more to that team. There's a lot that happened. During during the glory years for everybody doesn't Know Baltimore and only knows the defense yeah hockey you explain to culture of Baltimore during that time as a whole brotherhood insulation ship everything and I'm sure it's just like the distillers organization because the the reason arriver soul intense because we're built the same way in the same type of players right so for every case he happened. You had you had you're. You're killing Asia right for for every Larry Foot. You have myself for every ill joy porter fair Mary. You had a ray Lewis for every Paula Milo you had to add reach or the only thing we never really got he turns into that later was a Ben Rothlisberger which flacco won won the Super Super Bowl so he became that you'd think about you know Todd Heap. You gotta look at Heath Miller so it's like we were. We were splitting image. Every tell in the culture also was like any mean necessary for my brother and everybody came in. There were first round draft picks. You know you WanNa talk about Ed Reed. He was who's going to be in stride this weekend. He was a twentieth pick. He was in the twenties. You think about Eric. He wasn't a the number one pick. Jonathan Ogden was the number one pick that year right so you think think about Max starks you think about a fanta. They were built the same way with quality guys who are willing to sacrifice the individual goals for the team goes and it is all about sacrifice knows what wasn't about being a big guy being the biggest guy and I know ray got a lotta shy when he left. He says we'll got to shy but he waited his Turkish. It shine stop you the shot because let's talk about that. I I think that's important so you plan. What Ray Lewis Tesol every even deadliest Thomas. He got the bag when he trades. I mean you you use a US where the hit squad Peterborough Ware Peterborough where to hold guys Trevor Pryce. No you left. Did you leave Baltimore because you felt like you needed to shine that you feel like you media. I mean that was part of maybe finding my voice right showing that hey I can take what I've learned here and I can take this and imported in New York and because the contract with the same for the Ravens in jet it was just is he had a little bit different as far as a skilled deprivation but pretty much was both like forty six forty eight million dollars. You want to Retire Arabia. Instead of I mean I thought at that point it was I let the Ravens because my love for Rex Ryan right remember at it is time hardball was just there for one year and every every player's personal not being was upset and angry that rex get opportunity become the head coach you know sometimes it's now's the whole lock down with it was it was a couple of mutinies like the first year harbor day you know we went to the AFC championship against you guys lawsuit for the third time all the time which is better knows for Antonio Hall all going out of the end zone possession catching the ball coming out also playing across your the plan never had possession and that was the last play the game. I think the difference but if it okay so we all WanNa rex get the head coach but you understand saying how hard it is because sometimes you've been around a coach for a long time. He may have started a certain way so it's hard for ownership and sometimes some of the players to see him in a in a in a position of power. We see this a lot when you see guys come interim coaches and like it. They thought that maybe rex couldn't have the discipline the plan to discipline Ray because he he was defensive line coach then he was defense coordinator and so they pass they pass on him. Jason Gary passed on job. Wow well he. He passed on the job and went back to Dallas to become a coordinator on any way became a hit goes later and we were all upset so a lot of times. It was like all out fuck you. Harpo is seen as an out of the box higher that time suspect anything before and he came in preaching Tonette. Hey in in in Philadelphia we used to do this. We like I remember him saying that guy stand up like excuse me what we will do anything right right. The Eagles defended fucking Baltimore. Yeah we all need no help from nobody we standard always Pittsburgh number. One defense bought when defense likes hitting the books. We wrote the book that hold a Niba stack them up for a free safety and bliss and we did that. We like Dolphins Booth Joe Fuck that he might be able to make our roster taking their reach spot took. You're talking about yeah so like I've seen a couple of times he almost it was almost a couple of fights light innocent mutinies while encamped but anyway but that was just because of the love of wrecks so even though we had a great season. I was like I know more about rex rex and do about this harbaugh guy and you know when you know bill was can't cream puff and Crema days call it. It's called the can't cream puff because the when you went in there with like if you went there for if you're in your second year the second camp you can go home and stay in your house over really yeah. This is the ravens coach Brian Billick coach coach yeah so it was they call it cream puff damn he would say yeah so we had this thing other than like the Eagles and the Patriots at the time. Nobody had one more like like games than US November December because that that was part of his plan. He never beat us up so like what a horrible harbaugh came in and wanted to be the opposite. Go Get your legs giving you lakes. I'll give them back to you like you gain. You'll know by lake. Take them back. Mondays might be they. They might you know what I'm saying so so it was it was always attention back and forth that way and so called some attention no no not me at all I mean I still I was like you know. I used to remain the foot soldier yeah because you know I got a second contract. So my second contract was like a three year deal you know because that's what I ah star playing so like I went to the pro bowl like my first year as a full star that year I got via had ten lights out to you that ten years since I remember it was like for me. I was just like well. Whatever 'cause I came from a d one AA man. We've had three days so like I say I'm here. You couldn't break me. I mean I had three today's like a toilet as saying so like you know like other guys. I really was choice. Smith funny because Troy was a rookie and choice Memphis state yeah yeah he was supposed to be the starter that year and you know he got sick with some type of intestinal like illness and lost twenty eighty pounds wow so he miss. He missed his small to begin with well. He was built like Russell Wilson Yeah but you know he's he lost weight. He never recovered and that kind of ended his opportunity to get an opportunity. Tony so I came to New York because like rex was like talking like less brain is thug stuff up to to to to to the jets to be honest. I didn't even remember anything about the nude to have Brett Farr two year before panic ahead went. There and I didn't even know Kris Jenkins one see. I didn't know who joins us from Jason Taylor Dole Jason income onto like my Second Yorker so like I don't know who Leon Walker wasn't who Thomas Jones was. I didn't know Calvin pace because he was in Arizona but you know the jets have been kind making moves but I read strictly on rex line faith. I didn't even know who the fuck will. I never heard of derail rivas. Nobody knew shit about the Puck by that time. Nobody knew shit. I carry roles. I know when I got here. Okay these guys that have been doing things in this division. I mean because I was all about about the thug life you know what I mean to date. You Know People WanNa talk about Oh you. You'd be always hating on for on the Patriots. Don't even fuck about the Patriots. Man uh-huh hated these motherfucking. Even when I was with the jets the still has kept me from super. Bowl three times facts three consecutive. AFC Championship happy instead of the two of them was these motherfuckers fourth and one or first and goal from no fucking one and you give the ball. You'll get a ball to got down. I'm fat ass Sean Green. Lt All and you're trying to older ball. That's what hurt me. That never got a chance to actually go there but it was these flexible when people they would like to say. Oh you hate the Patriots hater. No I can give to fly fuck what no real shit going on one or by getting cleaned up the Patriots out scheme. Ain't nobody knocking you. Knock your Dick Stiff and it'll by fucking peeling back on you. Ain't nobody fucking spearing hines. Ward fucking trying to cut you from behind it. I'd get to fly pucks about. I tell them all the time. It was a Lotta this whole places Patriot bill you see by the fucking colors I was like I've never felt cheated walking off the field playing a patriots you play Baltimore Norman. I can remember having anxiety like I can't. I can't explain like Wednesday Thursday Friday. I had the worst for the year because I knew it was gonna be a gut. Let's check check. Check your manhood. That's at least twice a year or two and right but it's it's different different types of Tennessee where it's like okay what defense go make the big play. Yes set up the all fan who gonNA get fucked up process. Am I going to get fucked up on national TV. It's one thing for bill belichick scheme. You like reverse paths. You didn't know the four makes is nothing wrong. Step on your chest and put his taking your I. I stop in your boy Carla. Why did you gotTa take the fucking Joanne out man. You're Mama's like they my son. That's a different type of respect is one thing it'd be beat mentally. It's another thing to be physically. Tell people. It's like watching fucking mayweather. I pay and against the pages all the alcs Game Day. Newark get jabbed to death like fight nashes watching fucking Diego Corrales. It has some of your you know like both sides. We'll get knocked down yeah and it's like who'd have the balls to get back up to Maine so you buy and it didn't matter Adam big big lead early in the first coordinate ship meals you know Lee was say three three behest I mean they do the whole thing about how like most of the Games were won like by one or two points like that's a totally different fucking philly man so when I came up with the with the with the Patriots for me it was like I felt cheated because us. I have a need contact Avenida violence. That's why the Ravens was a person perfect team for me. I mean if I could say that would ever want to play for the team. It would have been a steelers because to be on the other side of that. One have a quarterback that you feel like if you fuck up. He pulls a rabbit out his ask me something. I never felt because I got Sanchez. He was young got FLACCO. He was young so I always felt like I wonder what it would have been like to be with a League quarterback and have a thug defense like I'd never wanted to go to the colts and then one because I never wanted to be the liability like it's one thing and people say whatever you want you. You want to win a certain way. I don't WanNa win by being older part. We just need you guys not to be worse today. To fuck wants to be data. We do want to beat him up fucking that you step out there and we used to call it. The bird flu bird flu and it was like okay. This is on the injury report questionable probable book this Motherfucker Game Plan Notice. Ain't shit because you knew if it was if you had a little thing it was going to be broke. Were if you had a headache migraine. You want that responsibility. I wanted to respect you stepped on that fucking field you tell people that you play for the Ravens. You tell you you play for the steelers. I don't give a fuck if the team won a million fucking sue is a different level respect. They know that you like like that's a bad mother. Fuck look like yeah whatever you guys ever guys can play football and they get the respect because they're talented. It's another thing for more. What type do you are you a football claire but this a man's man right here if you crack that line of you could be respected and that lineup fuego walk them streets where it at uniform for a long time? Maybe your mother fucking thought the best compliment I've ever received was from the guys I play the steel curtain when he watch you play can say Willie if he was on my team. If you around my time I know you'll be playing we use words Clinton Montana and author at coast and embarks right when people the reason why people go back to the robbery oil current current state in which we played is because the consumer had an appreciation for the appetite for blood and I think it it was highlighted during videos it was highlighted during interviews it was highlighted during everything we did because NFL at the time was that you have see before you have see he became popular and to watch a UFC back day. You had to go to the dark web yeah so have you weren't about that dark web life ner it was the NFL so I totally understand why you say to yourself you know I I come from Baghdad. I'm not worried about the mean streets of Cleveland Streets of Newark New Jersey. I'm from Baghdad to different types Duggan. Yeah I think when you got the jets answer this question too when you got to the jets in particular towards the back of the career allow people who say after the year you guys lost us an AFC championship that broke Rex Ryan's career not broke the jets. Is that true false. I I don't think so because remember the next year we were eight and seven we win one game playoffs. That's been San Antonio in San Antonio which means I mean he he he got into an argument said Tony you play with him. Yes I had he was a talented player. Nobody cared more than San Antonio about the win. He'll put it all out there on the line but he had got a bad way of communicating because he couldn't articulate where really what his what his heart was saying he couldn't and that's a lot of players. Great fucking stayed at a lot of players the deal with that and the problem with that is they get labeled as undisciplined troublemakers labeled as somebody they can. Tony was right well the twentieth problem what bars trying to also elaborate is when you care that much about winning sometimes your emotions become. I say you know what I want the ball because Xyz Xyz this is what I see. You're saying instead of saying. I need to ball 'cause. They can't stop hold. You don't WanNa hear that. It's two different type of commerce. Antonio was a guy that would be up clapping. He was only offensive player when the defense was up. You'd let him walk my defense. He's more flexibility he over there clap in. I mean he wasn't that like they put their purposely put his locker next to me and he was sitting next to me in an immediate because remember the year before he won like four game for last minute like take a slave in one we got him. We got him in trade and this New York. Media Savvy is different so come from Pittsburgh. You know coming old. I don't who your head like. When I was in Baltimore. We have one asshole reporter and we got to but the ruins of the mafia's so they really care a lot of stories printed but like you see how it happens at New York athletes what happens man like the Yankees are probably like one of the greatest dynasties the last two years have been spectacular. I mean they lose to red. SOX is like the puck and skies fuck is bolt on like we'll go run away with the division back so so so San Antonio couldn't handle the questions every day and one caution came out he was talking about like you. Bob Getting Open Down Phillies. I would offense law got a block. Better and bone here comes division. I knew that he didn't mean it like that right right right like hey. We can get some more explosive plays. If we established a run we can get the eighth man in the box and then you know we get to play action going then it'd be able to get some more stuff Donna Phil but but because we can't run the ball right now so foresaw train train the media. What are they do? They go to brand more fucking grout. You know what I mean. He response go back so then when you get to the AFC you get to the the Miami game. Attention was this again. This is two thousand eleven occur and that's when I came out and they almost got into fighting ends on a winning drive. All we had to do is get a bill in the playoffs. I did not know yeah. Any Day is getting into fighting. They had be restrained time. I'll ask we're trying to fuck a win. The game the same mother fucker like Hey y'all of scranton I shouldn't have the right and that's when they thought wrecks the REX issue was that he was loyal to a fault. I say that all the time and that he loved to Har and that he would put total trust in his assistant and total trust in his coaches and that was his problem that he didn't have enough asshole in now. I know you seem. Let's go get a fucking snacky looks like this tough guy but he's a fucking. He's a fucking teddy bear right right so he can make tough decisions and be tough when it comes to that it's like when you look at somebody who this killer fucking when it comes to his kids that's Kinda. How REX is either killer flood bill bill for fucking snack but then like one is coaches. Hey man cool man you got you can do better map Alevi. Come on you can do it he and that which is probably he wasn't cutthroat enough with coaching staff to a couple of friends weeks was around all his boy you. WanNa give his friends with these tea was comparable coach but like weeks was the guy got. There really wasn't adding much but he was his best friend so he's a writer dot lawyer like you might. WanNa make any higher rob that was like the Qissa death because one you you have over your brother who got the Davinci Code like you got and he thinks he's Justin Tidal. He knows as much as you know and you're the boss and then it's like a it's like a lack of WHO's who's in chart so when he got a second opportunity. I believe it was too early. It's too early what the Buffalo within the division same thing that Gheysens risking can the fact that you don't learn less than sometimes when you get another opportunity because what was what was the punishment for you not learning right. You still got another job. He actually you gotta race so like cases in in in in tricky territory. The only difference is he has a young quarterback that can say the day that can raise a lot of the issues that he had. I don't even know who the quarterback was fitzpatrick down there. WHO's a quarterback when he was in Buffalo. I don't even fucking manual. He's a manual can have fucking the fighters chairs. Fighters Chat so you know rex was loyal to a fault now. Desire is dollar yeah tyrod. That was awesome. His downfall is so mean Steve did did. I want to keep you too long because I know you get Outta here we talk about the life of NFL player right in me and you. I know for a fact share the same appetite appetite for the nightlife. I think a big problem with called officially quit sixteen. I I kinda was in that pool of a a lot of young guys. Don't talk to other young guys his jealousy. There's this it's a me culture said we culture. I went through out to you so Thursday tonight for the ballplayers stealers rather tonight we got together. We will meet at key. Christie Criss key Malta's House on South Eight. Am to uh-huh Chemo we would watch film. Play cards have strippers over have the hose over drink and have a day this is on Thursday night yeah Friday. They wake up and not mercer practice recover recover pretty much from nine all day. We got we got. We got after Friday's Sunday kick-ass. You guys can't do that. Yeah you did it. I know I did talk about why and what did you do those nights. Well mine's was it was called Monday night at Barks and it was my way of kind of blend in the offense and defense wind black young and old altogether was Monday night at bar so it was at my house wife never came aim down was all good we watch Monday night football shoe pool shoot bullshit because we did on Monday night because Tuesday's off day yeah so like you can recover from all the damage judicial and also it created a excuse for the Mary guides because they had the balls to tell me why pay with the fellows. We bought to go half fun. I'll see y'all. We all ask tomorrow so it was like. Oh they can tell their wives that it was mandatory to Hazeltine buildings. Shit like this year so we watch Monday night football you know and after Monday night football football we walk upstairs and I got to party buses. They're ready for us and it's time to hit the city so we hit the city. We had to strip club hit the club. DO WHATEVER WE WANNA. Do you know guys at didn't WanNa go that. I didn't have to ensuring that. We can do the wrong thing and the right way to go out. You can drink got worry about getting eighteen. Yeah you gotTA worry about. Oh by getting a dwi you gotta wear by. Nobody fight because we have player. Protects man just had a security what they as an ain't got. Nobody gotta be no no snow hill hero and things like that but also like you learn about a lot about people why they are the way they are if you spend real time with each other and you have to spend time away from from the feeling it can't be about football and it had nothing to do about football but you learn about why people are certain ways what have childhood you learn certain things what their triggers is are. You shouldn't pull away. You can't wait shooting dice while he drinking taking shots you. We got what I'm saying so for me. It was Monday night at Bart. Art and that's kind of some of the advice because sometimes I'm a mentor Jamal. We talk and and and that's kind of what I told him you know what I mean. That's what I told avery and that's what I told. Cj a lack of leadership lack of brotherhood and it's not their fault to yes this the cultural generation type of thing right because now they've person doing is they going today date and they spent so much time on social media and in their phones hold on their devices that they don't have communication skills so I man Willie like you don't matter I ran into you today. I didn't go fuck instantly. Got On your ass. Fuck it and you'll know me from Shit. You could have been crazy as our signature up your ass like all good. That's okay man here. Here's some ice after the where I would give isis saying but like because of the generation like they don't know how to sit in a Roman payable to work a room. They don't know how to talk to each other. They know how to open conversation so like what happens is when they leave they leave and they don't spend time see. US wease hang around. We stayed in the building we can't we can't we gamble like we like algorithms. How's the Ravens. We can come to the building anytime it was open to our guys used to take girls like bringing girls hot capable. Hey bring your whole in a hotel like Joe. Man- fun electrify say y'all got raped or something. You can't do shit like building. Come down the GO-TO after cheating. Go Wash your dig before for they go home. She'll make sure get quick. Wash facility yeah you. No you go you go. You Go. Put your workout clothes because his he's come spots on initiating. Make sure you plug it like it's like it was like throwing. Initially it'll go tips left bags like it's like John. Wick and shit like cleaning anyway but that was the culture like we sit around gamble with each other guys. That was always around so you always talking football and then you. It's like that nonverbal communication because I know you so well. No you better so that's how a rican come down a meal China. Whatever whatever signal he just make up some shit all right. Well it breaks what the fuck was. Jealous Laso told me to take the third that's a great point because we had that same relationship and in particularly office line with the steelers running back someone to hang out with his receivers wanted to hang would've been was always in and out but he was there when he when he couldn't be there and I try and I try to a lot of young guys and I bled you said is communication communication. I know for fat and verbal. If I'm you can put me in a bar right now. I know what my right guard sounds like a mix of ten thousand. I just know I know his voice on. Those cates annoy talks about what he looks like. I could be could be in a fucking train station. Ben and say say some. I can detect because we've been around each other like yeah. You know the pit in his voice how pissed off his yeah. I'll she de. That's just that's also how the Brotherhood has built also how bar snout online when he tells you when you're in a game. You don't have time to talk. I know everybody it gets caught up in the peyton Manning Omaha Shit when I tell you so much of the game as non verbal then I can tell you so much time because Baltimore Housh it was so novel because we were twins kids they knew was I remember one time. I was pulling and after he was Hamill Ray was real fat answers about the pool and I'm leaving at my knowing. How am I thought I can't move because Golf Sides Pool. They're sitting in a whole me. Kelly getting block back because he's pulling in. The center has a blog back. Kill your going to hell the hold on hold waiting for me and I'm just like Oh God load up bank and I'm like how did you know his laugh. Your fat ass was leaving so those those type of things. If you know what you're going August great opponent it like the Baltimore Ravens embar sky. You see him ray and you've seen all these guys. You have to build something outside of the game because it's so intense chemistry is so live live in a communication to the point where you're doing things just off repetition. You know what to go. You know what when you hear play. You just know how to react in a row so I I told you but I had I wanted to. I wanted you to say that because I think some people only highlight people going to listen to this and say well. They were drinking dude all this stuff but they don't know the the silver. The line is that is we were brothers doing the same thing same thing how many calls my wife understood like if a teammate car baby. I gotta go. God Damn out the baby. I gotta go just you you trip and I got my day fighting what they wives girlfriends. I go get him. They stay the night at my house and I mean or like my wife's counseling. Their wives lives about you know whatever they're going through. It was that type of stuff man like it wasn't just that it was the real family stuff still railleuse. Well you know me ray because because ray was dash caution I mean I was with Ray last week at his cat. You asked me to a financial literacy program with that. Ray was remember as older than me so oh like the older. Maybe it'd be Fanta like for me. It was family so so race so so ray six years older than me. Oh Wow so like he's like all due to me. You know what I mean like. The people that I like what's communique was like Terrell at Hartwell like those guys that helps vacationing with like ray was hanging with Shannon because dues in the forty fifties. I'm settling broke post career like like Diaz my guy but I don't hang with Diaz fucking fifty fifty euro we still tight and ran to Alan Rijkaard full backing Iran into like Corey Fuller Mc fool you but like those guys will older so the guys that I kinda still like Rockwood Erhard. Well daily is Thomas because those are the gods says closer my age and then plus they were so so super so big superstars. I got there yobs hanging with the broke out because I couldn't afford you can't afford that yeah. Yeah I gotta check in savings yet. Lanes financial obviously played some great defenses the two thousand six Ravens Defense divisively with to me the best of your group to me a and because we didn't win the Super Bowl to me I will put that defense up with the top five defense in NFL NFL history yeah. I mean you guys average. I think under toll point nine points a game allowed which is crappy eighty-five bears like I think that has better muscle you that that was a special year was pretty nasty. We I think that defense if we want super bowl woulda went down as a better defense in the two thousand thousand defense the number two thousand defense was that Sayi- the numbers are close. Are we have sixty one sacks willie cigarette cigarette. We led the League in every category and it wasn't even close now. The year rex came out with the Niba self when we were moving around and nobody knew who was who in a daily was playing corner. Yeah we called hold it. Can we call this guy so he was playing corner and then the league finally caught up to an old bar. Steve Blazey no matter where all right March we always said days is the the blessed Reno Ray fucking going in the holidays the fucking we called them the Jack like the joker whole guy fucking hold and trevor that a defense. I hate that that defense doesn't get remembered more red. I mean because look at someone to dominant defense. It was a different kind of dominant because I feel like when when you dominant in three four is more confusion than four three like a four three two four three two thousand ravens and the Tampa Bay buccaneers two two thousand two they were they were was lineup and beat the Shit Outta. You can bend don't break you can you can you can see everything they see. Everything coming. Ours is way more sophisticated that it was moving around like when he talks about that head on harding the reason Willie was looking over there because that's where I was and we knew that wants to center put put his head between his legs he Bliley snap and we had time to get to the other side Adele yes touch starch but he really was dropped her but starks had to respect him because he was going to be yep and see so after like on a genius level. Dow One because remember that's the year that the colts won the Super Bowl and you guys nesper points. Thank thank fifteen points. Chris and I think a hundred and forty two total yards no touchdowns and that was the only time ever in my life where I said fucking liar because he said we don't give touchdown the paint manny we can't lose fucking loss with three fucking fucking fuck advantage fucking vegetarian but you played a lot of great players on the on the Ravens go Jonathan Ogden on offense all the guys on defense add Ray Lewis. You mentioned all of them. you had rediscovered prime. Who's the best player that you've played with. Every Ed Reed not even close really every the best player I've ever seen now you you gotta understand what people hearing you say right now. You've played Ray Lewis. You've played next to a young derail ruse. When he was the Batson his parents island inaugural. Oh tails vitamin. What are the best top five greatest left tackle. I I'll stopped. I'll say he's one of the best football players I've ever seen top ten for me. I say Willie Roaf giant Auden and you can take your pick Waltz Jones and five though was on John but I think John was a little bit better than Yugo Moon. You'll see why Edry never seen. Oh Shit like that. Man and people people talk about like never seen anybody like play gangs in Bay. Peyton manning play gangs in Bait. Tom Brady like he baited the greatest players in food with as little bullshit speed turn like I know Paula all of my leukemia. After different type of dominance by Paula Milo was like a Tasmanian Devil. I was a strong safety wise every was like more of a free safety. Centerfield as he has some injuries wasn't as dominant as a tackler as it used to be but when I watch Paul Malo I saw a lot of shit that he took from Erie. We oughta hang around the line then going back and closed the half of the field. That's airy every we've been three point stance like he blitz off the air bounced back but people also forget about the touchdowns. He had EH returning punts. They forget about him. Being on a pump block team and well fuck is speed putting us like coming into muddle huddle with keeping offense running out and putting because like airy was blocking fucking kicks in you know what I mean so he was dominant and you know if you didn't see him in his early days. You don't realize how dominant he was. uh-huh anytime you need a big play you talk about you know the hundred six yard interception return against the Eagles then he did the same shit hundred or fi bye against like Cleveland these all like with the ball or like the five yard line win the game main so like I just never seen no shit like that never seen somebody hey bart take the fucking coastal coles the middle to fill and okay he jumps the fuck in three receive jumps to fucking slant in the wildcard the game against the pussycat against Chad Pennington filter game because he switches off the with me and he's supposed to be the fucking third player. He's jumping at three steps. Just fucking slack because it's film study crazy. I mean monster. I WANNA say this. me. Embar didn't really get close to I. I mean we always rivals always respected. Wright played yet. We never played together but I tell you listening to him. Talk Right now being around them probably with the most loyal honest honest as you can tell but one of the most religious people you'll ever meet and it was not only to play against you play against you but as honors on it to watch you grow because you've done a great job and I don't think enough fucking credit and I'll tell anybody how hard you work in the media game. I did the jets Esam. Why just is pre game this year? Now only was he dressed in an is but if you prepared as if he was doing the whole show himself and I thought it was a testament to the type of ballplayer. Uso has been honored pleasure. My brother likewise man respect goes both ways. You know I remember Bernard Hopkins told me was made Laszlo's as long as long as it was born and you know me and your hair because we real input into work and I think that's something that you know we are trying to steal my kids and that's something that that's how race I mean if it takes you ten hours guest do what it takes somebody else to do. It should matter loans. You get what you need at a life in that's just the way I go see you grinding brother. I see you doing your thing man and much respect whenever you need me back man. I bring you better Hawaiian shirt because that was bent. Wash maybe about ten times colors and shit our work. We find your during football season football season. Maybe you're doing a little bleacher. Dole little fan doing a little jet life. what's the show up to just show up how she's also handle to give him so uh-huh Damn. I don't even the Real Bart Scott and I think is sky fifty seven on twitter but I never owned that but I'm GonNa. Do you a better job. If I only pop there was some pop-ups by talking shit equal opportunities asshole. I don't care if he twelve or ten. You'RE GONNA learn the listeners the serpent turf pod tweets. Shit at Bart Scott Yeah getting as mentioned be about that. Actually I remember I went to somebody one time. They dad probably puffing like dude. He's twelve God damn. He needed respect. Is that all right thanks. Sonny awesome great interview with Bart Scott Willie. My favorite story was him knocking out. Dan Kreider not flow back here full fullback and just kind of sanctioning that with Mike Tomlin which is outrageous Mike Tomlin blinky yeah. It was a you know if you might call out. He'll get you like you want some of that either say yea or Nay. Most of you didn't say nay sometimes they are out there yeah but really great stories such an interesting insight especially going into steelers ravens week which is always a big game regards. This is a this is a very much a throw the record tuck out the window and these two teams. I mean it's going to be a slugfest yeah. I think it's you know it's fun talking to Bart about it because we both entrenched in the river. It's it's you know. The robbery isn't the same just isn't I mean you can't play the way we played. Have you know maybe they intensity. You know it's funny because if you watch a lot of talk about the college football is right. There's always robbery. That's all you better watch out Ohio State Michigan. It's nothing like he used to be. It does not times have changed. The culture has changed. The characters have changed. crises flagpoles. DENVER ONLY BEEN BILL Dillon in dealing with Tommy John you know so it's just a different different atmosphere what I do appreciate it. When people bring it up is that they go back to the time in which we play that it that people do did appreciate the Kinda bloodless. this these two teams who absolutely you know if you took a if you took a plane we're only an hour twenty five minutes away from each other and so listening to got to Bart's. I think response onto kind of his side of the story it does put you in a in does bring me back for the most part back in time and say you know what it almost seems unreal like was was that really me out there by sometime the more we talk about it. It's hard to believe that I was a part of that. that I I lived in such time I was able to be part of something that was just so bigger than me and I'll the whole situation was that I didn't I did my job. The whole situation was beating the Ravens three times James Yes. That was your Super Bowl simple year. You're talking about going the AFC championship and even Ryan Clark said that game before or we go to Tampa to beat the cardinals in a super bowl. The Super Bowl felt like we we played a super bowl re already against the Ravens. I mean you. I was exhausted man like I. I was was exhausted emotionally. Physically I was numb. I was hurting the city's on fire. Everybody's excited and I just wanted ice and I wanted a beer. 'cause it was such a physical match up and it was just it was just will too powerful pride. talking about pride power will fight grit guts everything you had and I said this at a at a comment with somebody had interviewed me a while back about this and and and I and I and sometimes I try I try to be careful when I talk about football war and battle because I never wanted to be that got but when I tell you I'm only using this metaphor because I really felt this way when I looked at loading not in the AFC championship game that and I I'm seeing it as I'm talking to you. We both looked at each other like fuck it like we were going to empty the clip on whatever we had because both teams contradict up. Both teams knew there. There was secret was out the bag right. You know we were going to run ball. They were gonNA run the ball. You know their defense players tough. They were you know vice versa so it was real. It just felt real. It was real intense. I remember having anxiety. I remember not being able to sleep that week. I remember being grouchy fucking week. Because I was just biting at the bit I just wanted to play and get it over over with so all that is real and it was good have twelve to see and to hear bar felt the same thing how important that game that wasn't wasn't to him as it was to me and US yeah this for steelers. It was just so interesting to get his perspective. You know obviously on the black L. side but his being on the ravens side just kind of their culture culture kind of that defense went through when rex left and John Harbaugh took over and just kind of the mutiny almost. I was shocked to hear that I didn't. I didn't see why I'd never heard I've never heard that story so that was new to me when he said I kind of said wow because is harbaugh is one of those guys who you kind of forget. That bill was there. Yeah you kind of say okay. You know we but he you'd never respected. There was pushback you know so. I think for raving fans. I'm I'm wondering if they knew that yeah so. I was also interested to hear how he said that Billick Ilich Gran what was notoriously called. Cam Cream puff whereas you've talked about your training camp. I mean our first show with you and Ryan Clark has talked about what a hard hitting training camp. It was the job and you know on the other side of the coin. You got the Ravens who under billick would just be at their house a couple of days. After after you know the first practice yeah training camp for me. Especially during that time was it was physical because it had to be because just because of the reputation we had as a team on the organization you know when we when we take we traveled to the West Coast and we were planning Arizona's San Francisco or even who's in Oakland people in at the hotel will be like man they would never talk about the steelers others like a finesse or you know tricky or cool they always talked about us like we all had at least ten years prison sentence like we were all gaces and thought they had two week so we kind of lived up to that but I think the brand of football and wished I would. I was kind of handed over to us and we talked about the steel curtain mean Joe Greene. Those guys is Jack Lambert. Those guys were nice guys. Mean Joe Greene is I think seventy five results. He's old man. He's still talking me. You know what I mean. So that that kind of culture we was birth into so we always excuse me every year tried to really really embody that and so car had it and then when my Tommy got there he wasn't dropping the torch and so it was all about as being the most physical outfit and and make another team give up and really a preview overall with or actually a really look back with Bart. Scott going into steelers ravens week. I'm sure it will be high intensity matchup as always even you know in this new. NFL We're looking forward to that but for Stephen Che Clone. This has been surf and turf. Thank you for being with us. See you next week and.

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RTCD #180: Senior Bowl Recap

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

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RTCD #180: Senior Bowl Recap

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Check him out on Twitter at f Duffy three has all kinds of stuff, podcasts and columns and videos does a terrific job. And he was just at the senior bowl for a week. We of course are always presented by online. Dot AG. Use the promo code podcast one. You can get that awesome. Fifty percent. Welcome bonus. Which is terrific. Fifty percent. Welcome bonus. Whilst you're gonna get something better than that. The answer is nowhere podcast. One is the code bet. Online dot AG, I'm Ross Tucker. Former NFL offensive lineman at Ross Tucker NFL on Twitter, and friend. You were at the senior bowl. I know there were some weather issues. But just in general how was the week? How was organized now that Phil savage has moved on. And how everything come out? I thought it was a really a good week. Yeah. Jim Nagy and his crew did an excellent job. I thought of structuring out the week. It was a very efficient process from start to finish. I got down there Monday. We spoke for the podcast Tuesday morning. And I was getting ready to head over to weigh ins weigh ins were very efficient right afterwards. You had a media Vel -bility was about to our. Hours and change with all the players involved at the game. You know? So it was I talked with probably, you know, twenty thirty guys one on one down there at the media day. And then yeah, we had a couple of days of practice. Obviously Wednesday was a bit of a washout as as the listeners may have heard but did get a chance to get in and watch all the film from Wednesday's practice. So didn't miss anything there from that standpoint. Then Thursday was perfectly fine. They had the full pads on they went pretty competitive there on Thursday. So I thought that the week overall was very efficient. I thought Jim Nagy and his crew in year one on the job didn't outstanding job throughout the course of the week dealing with everything that they had to deal with. But overall really really happy with how the week turned out. Love it. I want to get your thoughts. Because obviously I thought going into the week. And then when you gotta chance to see him, and this is going to be enlarge part based on the practices because that's what you know. You guys are really looking at you can put them in specific situations. And I guess I just want to get your thoughts. Maybe on a guy or two that release out to you, positively. If there are guys that you still have questions about you can chime in on those guys as well. Let's start though with the quarterbacks and anybody that really, I guess the most interesting people friend would be people that. Either performed a lot better or worse than whatever your expectations were for them coming in. Yeah. I think that's really the way that this goes, right? And I think it's almost from a media standpoint kind of a microcosm of what NFL teams go through to. I think that there are a lot of analogies that you can make to that. Because you know, we're now getting a chance to talk with these guys one on one at some of our opinions may start to be swayed. You know, you go up and you hear drew lock talk at the podium. You're like man like this guy. Just compose himself the right way. He's just got that oral out of you might talk to an offensive line. I know I talked with Titus Howard. We'll talk about them in a little bit the assets tackle from Alabama state. I thought you know, look, he's got starting traits. But he does have a little bit of a ways to go really liked what I saw on film. But you know, I think that there's some development new there you talk to on the you're around and you're like man like this guy. This guy's got his stuff together. I have a lot of faith that he's going to be able to improve and get better. Once he gets the NFL. He just comes off very very well. And I. That's what happens with from the media standpoint across the board. And so, you know, you get down there, and you people around Daniel Jones people around drew lock, and you start to get a sense. All right. This is why the NFL is so high on these guys. Yeah. The physical tools are there in different ways with Jones and locked. But you know, I think that that's really the thing that kind of sets guys apart and to me the guy that really stood out to you. It was a guy that I was anxious to see coming down here in person. I want to see how he would throw it in that. And that was this is Jared Ston from Auburn every day on practice in practice. He made a throw that's made you go. All right. This guy's got legit arm talent. I believe he won practice player of the week at the quarterback position down there over the other seven guys, you know, the numbers in the game. I think he was four for five passing for thirty. Just I watched film from the game yet, but hope to the next few days. I think when you look at stood them. This was an area where you want to see how he's gonna shine away from that Auburn Auburn offense. How's it going to do away from that system? And look from an arm talent standpoint, there weren't really questions about it. But it was. Good to see him go down there and sling at the way, they did. I was I was pretty impressed with them in person. Love it. Anybody else at the quarterbacks powder? Should we move on running backs? Now, I look one guy Tyree Jackson Ross. I mean, you saw them in person. But this guy he is a large human being like legit six seven came at six seven flat two hundred forty nine pounds freakishly long arms and hands. And then this guy can this guy can throw it really really easily. Not surprising at all to see him throw at the way, these pretty athletic kid for his size is well, I know he's through a couple touchdowns in the game. But overall through the practice look a little bit up and down the from an accuracy standpoint. I think that he has a, you know, he had his moments, but certainly had some throws. He liked to have back. But I think you're kind of caught off guard just by how big the kid is especially you know, you line them up. You know, next a will Greer and Gardner Minhsiu and Jarret stidham all three of those guys a little bit on the under-sized area the spectrum and then you've got tie Jackson. Is the complete opposite way? He's a really really big kid with a big arm. Let's get to the running backs. And yes, I saw that when I was at UB to do their game. He's Hugh it was five nine starred as a ninth grader high school quarterback at five nine imagine having him at find that be like, you know, what we just we need to six two quarterback. He's just never going to be big enough. Yeah. Seven aren't running backs who stood out to your running backs or the three guys that stood out to me. Most all came from the north squad, and that's Dexter Williams from Notre Dame Karen Higdon from Michigan. Tony Pollard from Memphis and all three for different reasons. And all three I thought they kinda showed exactly the same guys that I thought they were on tape. You know, Tony Pollard. Yeah. Showed some ability after the catch. He's got some juice. He's got the ability to line up in a different number of different spots and win. He had a couple of drops which also happened on film. That's why he wasn't a fulltime receiver at Memphis. But you're taking this kid because he's a pretty good athlete, and he's also a hell of a kick returner. And I think that that's an area where you're gonna look at him and say, okay, this is how he can help us moving forward. Karen higdon? He's not the sexiest guy when you see him in person. He's a little bit under size in terms of measurable standpoint. He's pretty racked up. But in terms of, you know, height and weight, and then you know, arm length at hand size. Not really not really physically imposing. But you know, you just was awesome. Pass protection drills. That are really good job in those Nassan area where running back really stand out during the week of practice. You know, you'll see these big runs and Dexter Williams who want practice player of the week at the running back spot at the game. He busts off a lot of big runs. And you saw that speed Mike again, he was a big play back at Notre Dame so expected to see that. But to me, I I was I was most impressed with Hignett especially in pass, bro. I like it. Nestle people were were saying west hills. But you didn't you're not giving west hills the D too slippery rock guy. And he love all he he's he's I haven't studied him yet. But you know, so this is all going off what I saw f- from an in person. I mean, he's high cut. He's a big kidney any moves pretty well. I'm excited to kind of dig deeper into them. We'll see if he's going to be at the combine if I get to them before then. But certainly I thought of the south squad. He he did catch my eye for sure. Let's get to the wide receivers. What do you got for me? Well, a few guys really Sit Aye deebo Samuel 'test. I mean, whoever decided that they were gonna cover them that day. I mean, he may he made mincemeat of Iraqi Sandra early struggled with them in one on ones Lonnie Johnson. And he went back and forth on Thursdays practices. Well, I love DiBa was you know, for my money was the best player down there in terms of how they performed a practice. So to me I thought he was one of the best players from the week. But then there were a couple of other guys Ross that really stood out just for slightly different reasons. I think Terry McLaren from Ohio State really kind of solidified himself as a mid round selection. You know, he's he's not going to allow you in terms of his production. The numbers I would say a lot of mouths defeat in that state offense. But you know, you're talking about all week long who showed the lady to get off press. Coverage create separation as a route runner win at the catch point. He's a great kid a very very impressive human being. And then also was a core. Four special teams guy for the Buckeye. So you're checking a lot of boxes. Is there with him? And you might not be looking at Terry. Mclaren and saying okay, he's going to be a number one number two receiver for us. But if you need it number three number four receiver guy, you know, you feel rock-solid that he can come in and be a solid option for you. And also just be a great locker room guy. That's going to be tire. Mclaren, and I think that he showed that he might have even some upside to be even a little bit more than that outside of that one guy that I was really really impressed with and I I didn't watch him until the weekend before the game because he was a late addition was penny heart the redshirt junior from Georgia state explosive. Remind me a lot of ways Taylor Gabriel on film. Just in terms of how they're built in the way that he moves and that carried through he was one of the best route runners down there created instant separation with his separation quickness and just the twitch that he showed at the top of routes really really impressive his ability to create separation one on ones. I thought he was one of the stars of the week Jacoby Myers from NC state was better than I expected. He would be made some plays in the open field each and every day. You look and say, oh, it was great catch. Who's that? Oh. Gobi Myers again each and every day and then tire Brady for Marshall. I thought did a nice job as well. Just looked so smooth for a guy. That's that big. I was pretty impressed. I honestly a lot of the receivers that were down there. David sills had his moments. Travis Fogel had his moments from Old Dominion Keelan. Dos had his moment. So a lot of those guys. I thought really had a good week of practice. Okay, symptom. Are you do you mention Terry Brady and Tyree jacks? And just because you know, I called their games, and you, and you you're trying to make sure you have my attention. Well, I told you about Tyree bravery went I'm a big fan. I watched him over the summer, and I really liked what I saw from him a year ago. I I like Tyree Brady lot. Let's get to the let's get to the tight ends. I'm very curious to see what you thought of a tight end who plays for one of my old coaches. Roger Hughes was my coach my senior year at Princeton. He is now at Stetson, and it sounded like that that Donald Parham kids just a giant. I there just aren't a lot of guys in the NFL. They just built like him. I mean, he's he's six eight and three eighths, but he's two hundred and forty pounds. Like, he's got rail thin ankles rail thin arms like a long long neck. I to me like you. You look at it. And you're saying like in Philly, we had a funny MoMA before he went over to the cardinals is kind of like a college receiver that you know, he wasn't even that being in that skinny like there, there just aren't a lot of examples of guys that look like that that are successful in the NFL. Now that doesn't mean that part doesn't have a shot. But I think when you look at them you say, okay, what what does he do best? Well, he can he can get down the same pretty well. I think he moves well straight line. He's got some fluidity tool that you know, he's trying to get on top of a press defender he can do that. He is a little bit stiff ending and not in not a breaks. He didn't run a full route tree at stats in. So you know, he's going to have to come along there with his route running and anytime he had to do anything outside of his catch radius. I thought he struggled, but he posted ridiculous production at St.. That's the obviously at his size and his length is believed to go up and win. You know, there's some impressive moments there for him. So we'll see with Donald Parma. I I'm very interested to see how whole test later on in the process, and then a couple of guys that really stood out to me. I was a big fan of Josh Oliver from San Jose State coming into the week. He wasn't as he didn't have a bad week. But he wasn't the guy that really stood out mean foster Moreau from LSU Andrew sample from Washington Trevan, west go practice a lot as a fullback as well. From West Virginia all three of those guys did a nice job with the route running they raped a win down the field and foster Monroe made some nice catches on deep corner outs throughout the course of the week. I was impressed with all three of those guys in terms of being the total package. Now, they're not match up weapons at the next level in terms of their ability to play in space. But if you're looking for guys that can win at the point of attack and also be solid receivers. I think all three of those guys show that they can fill that role. Okay. Let's get to the offense of lime. And I've been very curious. I actually watched NFL network's coverage eight to nine pm. AM eastern with Charles Davis. Daniel Jeremiah, Andrew Sicilian. Oh, I watched that pretty much every night. I think Tuesday Wednesday Thursday nights. I watched their recap, and they did show a lot of one on one. So I have some thoughts on these guys. But I wanted to get yours. I and you actually saw every rep and not just what you know. TV happened to show me. Yeah. The other three guys that to me were most oppressive just going on once where Chuck woma Dogo from USC Andre Dillard from Washington state and Titus Howard Valla. Bama state. Those are the three guys to me just in purely off one on ones that were most impressive now when you got to things like inside, Ron and the team periods. Some of those other guys start to stand out as well, you know, Giovane Patterson from ole miss looked really athletic as a puller Nate Davis from Charlotte. I was really impressed with I liked him on film, LA I thought guard bradberry did a much better job in team and inside run than he did in one on ones. Chris Lindstrom from Boston. God's really had his moments in both drills. Kayla mcgarry from washing. I thought looked really good at times Elkton Jenkins from Mississippi State. I mean, it was coming down Ross if you're asked me a week ago right now, what are the three best position groups? It would have been hard pressed say offensive line wasn't one or two along with safeties. Like, I was really excited to see these offensive lineman take part in practice down there. And I don't think any of them really kind of made me sour on that group as a whole. I thought overall it was a really really good group of offense of lamb who was that that stood out to you. Well, I thought it Dauga moves. Well, I I was impressed with kind of how he how fluid he is with his movement. And I just liked the looks of bradberry and his athleticism. I also liked. I'm intrigued by Titus Howard. And I'm gonna physicality that he shows specially coming from a small school. You know, they only showed us what they showed us. Right. So it seemed like they showed a lot of Adoga a lot of bradberry. A lot of Lindstrom. Getting bull rushed by his buddy, the on the D line from Boston College, which was kind of funny like over and over again, it seemed like those guys when against each other talking about Zack Allen, of course, you know, what to friend. I saw some positive things from Dalton reisner. I saw some positive things in one on one pass pro I thought from some of the stuff they showed better than I thought when when when you and I watched tape over the summer, he's. You know, the big thing with him is that he is just so strong. Like, he he's got a vice grip with his when he's got his hands on your. He is not letting go there are some athletic limitations there. I think he's got some issues with power strength. He could take on contact and not give up ground. I want do wonder if he's going to consistently be able to drive guys off the ball at the next level. But certainly had his moments from what I heard from the game. The also had his moments as well against guys like Montas sweat. So I'm trying to see to go back and watch the film from the game of Dalton reisner. I agree. Let's get to the D line. We'll start with the edge guys who showed up on the edge. I saw Montas sweat that looks like a pretty much freak anybody else. Yeah. You sweat and he had his moments. He was dealing with. I think I heard it was a thumb injury or something like that mid week during practices kind of in and out. But certainly he would you would say like turn to somebody next to and say, all right. Well, where's Montas sweat? And then you see a reference out. There's my way you see the -bility to close on the football ability to win at the top of the arc is a pass rusher. And he was one of the winners of the way ends I thought with how he looked come across the stage. So I think when you look at Montas wet. Yeah. Certainly a guy that stood out over the course of the week near the guy that that I hadn't had a chance to study. But I studied his teammate and Ben Bana goo from TCU, and this is L J Collier. I watched them from just kind of the the, you know on the outside. You know, watching him, you know, he just kind of stood out watching his teammate and watching TCU and other games. But this could stood out every single day. Very very active lineup on the left side. The right side inside outside. I'm I actually talked with the dog after practice one day Tacoma dog with the the USC tackle. And I said, you know, who's who's the best defensive lineman on the other side. And he said, it's Collier Cairo's the guy who he singled out. And I think that was rightfully so this was that towards the end of the week Collier was my pick for desens- of lime practice player of the week. I was most impressed with how that could perform. But a number of other guys. I thought were really good. You know, Charles, oh men who from Texas had his moments. I know he had his moments in the game as well. You know with the ability to corner, I'm pretty impressed with that kid in terms of how he moves and then paired with how he's built but other edge guys the oceans immunise from Old Dominion. I thought had some nice plays in one on one. I thought he had a few nice reps Jonathan Ledbetter. I thought looked really good in the run drills and inside run nine hundred seven some of the team periods. I thought he did a good job at the point of attack as well. So those are the guys I would probably single out most off the edge. How about the inside guys? Yeah. To me. I just talked about Ledbetter, and what he did in the run periods is as above was really really good nine on seven or go back on film. And you see what that can look like I thought he was really good in those areas. Renault ran from Arizona state. And you know, I think caught a lot of people's I allowed people would have picked him as one of the practice players of the week was really really good Tuesday. I mean, he was unblock -able on Tuesday's practice when they went inside Wednesday. It seemed like the north offensive line kinda got a hold of his tricks and what he was trying to do. And they did a nice job of trying to counter what he was putting on the table on Wednesday. He rounded back into form a little bit of Thursday, but you know, Renault Reynoso guy wins that first step. That's what his whole game is about. Yes. So if you can get you off the snap. I think that's really what you know in his wheelhouse. After that he still have to has to kind of develop that pass rush plan. Be more little little more consistent with his hand Houston with his motor and things like that. But very very. Player from a tool standpoint. But look there are a few guys mean Colin Saunders from western Illinois, kind of that one of the darlings of the week. You know, he was an outstanding interview. A lot of the media really kind of fell in love with them Tuesday at launch and that carried through into practice. He made some plays in team periods. Made some plays in one on ones short Squatty. He's athlete, but you know, a guy that I think has has caught a lot of people's I so we'll see what happens with counselors moving forward. John Kaminsky was one of the winters away by far was blown people away at the press conference as well. This is the small school kid from Charleston and converted quarterback. He got on campus. I think like to fifteen, but he came in a way in last week to eighty so a guy who's completely transformed his body into an NFL prospect as a defensive line and only three sacks last year that a worry people little bit coming from a smaller school, you know, where he was bigger faster stronger than everybody. But John Kaminsky, I thought really stood out over the course of the week and the Dalen MAC from taxation that man, I mean, he. You know, you had a good week two weeks ago at the shrine game comes back this week with the senior bowl this past week and had another strong week of practice. We'll see you know, he's a guy that slash early in his career is as we've talked about. I mean, you saw him in person for his first college game where he toured up against hours on a state was good as a freshman, and then just kind of teetered off his sophomore junior year. And then turn it back on as a senior. So you know, we'll we'll see how how the traff process continues to unfold for that kid. Let's get to the linebackers who jumped out to you in the linebacker drills. Yeah. A couple of guys really really to me. It was the two Notre Dame kids into van Coney and drew tranquil both guys. I thought looked at letting they look good in nine on sevens. They did a really nice job getting downhill and tarot Hanks for a lot of the same reasons. The the kid from New Mexico state for your starter there converted high school safety who made the shift downhill to play Moore's linebackers kids yoked up a little bit max outlets frame which little bit of a concern considering the fact he's about to thirty five, but a guy who I really liked on film. He's really aggressive. There were times we looked a little bit indecisive and team periods. In terms of what he was seeing. But overall, I was pretty impressed with Terrel Hanks for in Mexico state. I thought he had one of the better weeks of tractive in terms of anybody else. I would probably throw Germain Pratt and their from NC state and other guy big physical another converted safety doesn't move like a converted safety necessarily, but you like his size and his physicality downhill. Let's get to the Cornerbacks. What do you got in the corners? So I think when you look at this corner group, it, you know, there was probably the group that I was you know, least excited about entering the week. Hey, look for good reason. There wasn't a lot of proven guys down there. I mean, they they moved Sheldon Sheldrick red wine from safety at Miami play at corner, just because you know, the lack of bodies, but overall I thought they compete pretty well, you know, a couple of guys for the south squad. Rocky sin and Lonnie Johnson. I thought had a really good week of practice. You know, rock battled with deebo Samuel one wants deebo got the best of them more often than not when they're in those one on one periods. But when they went to team Jiro team periods rock kind of fought back a little bit. And you saw them get a couple of pass. Breakup, not just against IBO but against bigger receivers. Like Anthony Johnson as well. I thought rocky San had a solid week of practice. Lonnie Johnson, man. This kid is put together. I mean, he's like six two. He's got really long arms is over two hundred five pounds. I mean, he's got legit size for the cornerback spot and moves pretty well. He's got. Deleted to disrupt early in the doubt. I was pretty impressed with Lonnie Johnson from the south squad. And then on the north side say Jordan Brown from South Dakota state had a good week of practice. I was pretty impressed with him on film leading into the week. So was excited to see what he would look like he had his moments throughout the course of the practice to me, though, the corner on the on the north side that I thought had the probably the most consistent week was Corey Ballantyne from Washburn really competitive, and once they're really nice job making plays at all three levels of the field more. There was downhill in their intermediate area or down the field. You know was able to find the football Corey bounty and had a nice week of practice. And the last thing I would throw a mon- Marshall in their from USC as well. Because Amman Marshall I I didn't think too highly of them coming into the week. But every day, he he would make you know. That's that's a nice play there by Amman Marshall, go back on film and watch. And you see, you know, the guys got the the hip pocket, you know, she those instincts of four year starter in the Pac twelve I mean, you know, that's gotta count for something. And he came down here. You know? You know, and showed the to make plays on the football Marshall had a pretty solid we could practice after being a late addition to the game. I like it. And I'm with you. Fran. Not just because he's a temple guy from what I saw on the one on ones. I really thought Rocky's in looks pretty darn good. I mean, what a story to for him transferring to temple from Presbyterian, very, very cool almost as cool as bed online Stott AG. It's the final week of the NFL season. Biggest game of the year just days away. Rams patriots in Atlanta for the Super Bowl this Sunday. If you haven't been on a game yet this year, you know, you wanna bet on some of these prop bets, you know, you want to bet on the Super Bowl for when you're with your buddies or whoever watching the game sign up today for a free account at bed. Online dot AG used the promo code podcast one. You get a fifty percent. Sign up bonus. Yeah. Fifty per cent. Sign up bonus. If you missed out on jumping on the NFL action before you still have one game left, promo code podcast, one at bell, online dot AG get in on this. How about the safeties friend? I know you were kind of excited about them coming into the week. Yes. Or no Jonathan Haber. And we found that out a right after I got a phone guys last week that he would miss. He apparently got slagged during the the medical during the physical heading into the week. So he could not partake in practice, but want someone who I thought was solid from Virginia. I thought Mike Edwards from Kentucky on this that kind of situation that kind of atmosphere is built for guy like Mike Edwards. You know, not a lot of live contact. So you know at his size. He's able to just kind of show off his athleticism his ability to play in space playing coverage. He had a couple nice place playing in the slot in one on ones ending team drills. So I thought Mike Edwards from Kentucky had a solid week. But the guy that obviously a lot of. People are really high on. Now is this your Adderley from Delaware converted corner. Made the move to safety had some nice plays in coverage. He played one on ones. He got card up a little bit at times. You'll penny heart got the best of a couple one drills. But overall, I thought nausea radically showed off pretty well. I looked pretty good at the way in came in. Well, so you know, when you look at that group overall, I I was pretty impressed with that safety to me from top to bottom. Probably the best group of players at senior bowl over all. Well, you know, I always root for the FCS guys. So that's cool to hear about necessarily very cool to hear and that'll do it, by the way. Nice little senior bowl recap. Very very cool. What's on the docket over the next few weeks before you know, it'll be the combine. Here before we know it will be to combine. So I'm pulling up our schedule here. I think we'll probably do is. 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Middlekauff - 3 & Out - 18 game NFL season inevitable; Beer chugging phenomenon; NFL and AAF GM Phil Savage goes inside the AAF collapse

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Middlekauff - 3 & Out - 18 game NFL season inevitable; Beer chugging phenomenon; NFL and AAF GM Phil Savage goes inside the AAF collapse

"The maybe it's who you up next to this morning. Maybe it's what you had for dinner last night. Oh, how you getting to work right now? It's invisible but AI is already making decisions for us on sleep. Walkers were speaking with the smartest people in the world and taking you inside the headquarters of Facebook, the NYPD and a secret lab at Google to find out what the revolution will mean for us. Listen subscribed to sleep walkers, apple podcasts, on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. What's going on everybody gone? Middle cop out podcast back at it again. Got a big show coming up a couple of things to touch on the scene around the league some Roger Goodell said, some I'd notice going viral on, on Twitter had a long conversation today with a good friend of mine worked with them for year and Philly. We've stayed close ever since been general manager in the league was GM of the af ran the senior bowl for a long time, and was the color analyst for Alabama for about eight years. Got to start working with Bill Belichick work for Nick Sabin. My guy feel savage who just awesome. Just a just has tons of nuggets knowledge of football means bent. You worked for the best and we worked for bell, Jack in Sabin than he was GM for excuse me, assistant GM forever under Ozzie, Newsome then became a GM in the NFL with the Cleveland Browns, but and the middlekauff mailbag will probably push. Off because the interview was kinda long 'til later this week. But my DM's are always wide open at John middlekauff slide up in those DM's on Instagram. You can also hit me up on Twitter, easiest way to get hold of me, but I answer questions on here from Instagram at John middlekauff, but I want to start with something I saw Roger Goodell said that ultimately four preseason games may not be necessary. And I know Collins big on this, and I'm a big believer in this, that the, the NFL. You know, baseball the baseball draft's going on right now in my Twitter. Timeline was full of people. Jeff passan who covers baseball for ESPN was tipping. The picks I wouldn't even call it tippy in the picks because most people are not watching 'em obe- network, the I mean I was. The, the ratings aren't going to be huge like tipping, the picks, welcome two thousand nineteen. And of course of bunch of baseball media members are furious. You know it's hurting the sanctity of the sport. Like, hey, guys get with two thousand nineteen the market, dictates it you ever heard of this thing called Twitter. We wanna know the damn picks immediately. I love it baseball. You know. They, they don't do well with change basketball. Sometimes is the opposite. Probably of baseball and changes too fast like change the basketball, Adam silver said today, they're going to get rid of the word owner for actual owners the guys that own the team. The owners there are a little probably overaggressive football. You're gonna take criticism anytime you change no matter what. But both probably somewhere in the middle. They do a good job of just constantly adapting one thing in people have been on this for probably the last five or six years, the preseason is a disaster and the hard part about football is like you can't really have acid if. It's why it's in basketball you can play all off season. You can play pick up five on five games and might not be an NBA game. But if you get ten NBA players, you can play the sport in baseball. You can like simulate ABC's against a professional pitcher in football. I'm going to if you're listening to this. I'm probably at nine or practice on Tuesday the practices in the ops season are absolutely nothing like the sport because you're not ensure pants. So you're not hitting. That's an essential element. So you can't really fake. And then the problem with football in the preseason is in rightfully so. People are so scared to play their starters. I mean Sean McVay, I think has been probably the most aggressive last couple years has punted on the preseason has waived away flag. Does that even play anyone doesn't even dress them does not even dress them? And it's worked out pretty well for him Roger Goodell's kind of knowledge. This is not working out. Let me read his quotes, I feel that we should be. Doing what we should be doing is the highest quality. And I'm not sure the preseason games meet that level right now. Yeah. No shit Raj. I'm not sure talking with coaches at the four preseason games necessary anymore to get ready for the regular season to evaluate and develop players. They're only there other ways of doing that. Now, I disagree, they're a little bit. The only way that you can eat Baillieu. Wait. You know the guy from sixty to ninety on your roster is preseason games. 'cause you, you can't evaluate that much I guess in training camp. He can't a little but you're not doing eleven on eleven scrimmage. I would imagine a lot of teams don't even do goal line drills like pay ones verse once red zone. Drills goal line drills like not a lot of teams are doing that. So it really there isn't much place. Yeah, I know. Beckham's good or Patrick Mahomes is good or Julian Ataman good. But I don't know like my seventh round pick relatives in my practice squad guy from the previous year. There's not that much time evaluate them, but let's call it what it is. NFL Roger Goodell built really care about that. They have to get rid of these preseason games to me. I'd probably just do two. Now the curveball in all this is the next CBA the players because of the explosion. In probably the, the bubble that's about to burst. In baseball in basketball, the amount, those guys were going to get paid football players kind of pissed off because they go, why don't we get more guaranteed money? And I say it all the time fans benefit from the lack of guaranteed money. Can you imagine if an NFL team had signed a contract, like Chris Paul it had him on the books for three more years at one hundred twenty million dollars total, a guy that they would cut right now? They could it would hinder hurt the NFL if you had to guaranteed money, one players once they get over thirty just get old so fast, any moment you snap a finger. A guy can be terrible into injuries are just a huge element to the sport. I mean they just play a huge role because it's very violent game. But I do think. We're going to be arguments, we want more guaranteed money. And the one thing that riders going to be able to say back. Well, we play more games. You guys want more money and it's clearly kind of been an elephant in the room with the owners with the Commissioner the eighteen game schedule. Now you could argue that sixteen is probably enough. I personally don't need more. I'd be fine with just two preseason games than start the season. But if the players were adamant, and they never have been before because they always crack because they never stand United. Well, enough now in fairness to them, it's hard by unlike the NBA which has twelve players roster even baseball has half as many people a roster as football. There are so many players. So the spectrum of super rich and super low income guys, again is all relative is really high. There are a lot more low income guys than the super-rich low income guys kind of need to work in the super. Rich guys was called what it is like Brady doesn't carry carries wants to play. He wants his money. So it's kind of a tough, happy medium. But I would imagine just seeing the way the NFL's operated over the years for preseason games probably on his last leg the next CBA the four preseason games will be by to me. Now, the question will be I think the NFL will be open to doing some more money stuff with the player contracts, but eighteen games and that could be a defining moment of Roger Goodell. And if you've all fall Roger Goodell's career to me, his defining attribute is money comes first. So if we lose two preseason games I'd honestly be shocked if they don't add to more regular season games. Okay. There's a phenomenon this engulfed social media and I I love it. Now full disclosure, I was never a great beer. Juggler wasn't my go-to? But this thing that David are started kind of exposed, a-rod yours, and then for Matt Stafford to Mahomes to Trubisky to Josh Allen softball game, and I think it kind of symbolizes something about the NFL, and there's a reason that for multiple reasons that the NFL dominates in terms of interest, one, I say it all the time. Just the nature of the sport, you'll only play once a week, but I'm actually from other podcasts interviewing Mike, mcglinchey this week and he went viral for some similar. He basically went to a San Jose Sharks hockey game with all the up of linemen pulled the jersey over his face, and they basically water. Her boarded him with beer. Funny. It's just kind of resonates with the fans because a lot of the fans are just beer-drinking fun loving normal humans. And I think one thing with the NBA and I kind of have a theory right now. Why the NBA ratings are down the sport feels very elitist is players. Make an astronomical amount of money. Many of them talked down to the fans. The league feels like super progressive in a little out of touch almost a little extreme. I say all the time, most fans are not extreme left are not extreme, right? Most humans or somewhere in the middle, and they don't really enjoy talking about politics. Just talk about sports and hanging out and being fun. What do the best NBA players right now drink LeBron James, always drink wine? I, I got new for you. I can't remember the last time unless I'm going to like a nice dinner. You wanna come over and crack open a bottle of wine. Like there's a reason that Trubisky Josh Allen Mahomes like all the stuff is going viral because it's pretty relatable most people can relate to just slam some beers. It's fun. And I say it all the time about the NFL like the NBA the warriors in my backyard. Even their team is somewhat of an outlier none of the none of their core guys beside Durant was a top one or two pick, but it's not like they have a bunch of undrafted free agents. The craziest draft pick was dream on green. I think he was like a third pick of the second round. It was an all American college at Michigan state. Steph top seven pick clay eleven. Andrea dolla top ten pick. So. Yeah. I mean they don't have any number one overall picks, but they're picks still top ten guys in the NFL look at the amount of patriots, that are undrafted free agents or seven rounders or six rounders, look, the amount of NFL players that are six, seven undrafted free agents. They're not guaranteed anything that, like most of us in normal walks of life have to earn our first paycheck at any moment. It can be cut off and taking taking away. You notice a lot of first rounders, eventually kinda get exposed in the NFL because it's about more things than just talent just like all of our jobs. Are, you know, I sell advertisement for my podcast? I gotta be pretty aggressive. I'm working on a NFL hall of Famer to get him on the podcast. Took me like three text message just to get him respond. I gotta be relentless. I just keep wearing them out. He finally responded for the first time today in basically, all he said, was I'm super busy right now, maybe a little. Later. But I just gotta keep going is, basically like, I'm a sales guy. That's my lead. Most of you guys relate like in the NFL nothing is guaranteed as you listen to this Niners practice. There are several veterans on this team now. The Niners are probably bad example, but all over the NFL right now guys are kind of on edge. They know they have first second third round picks. Breathing down their neck. They know they might have that second or third year practice squad guy that dams guy looks pretty good coaches are kind of liking this guy. It's a competitive competitive environment. Now the NBA and major league baseball is too. But once you sign these contractor kind of, on scholarship where the NFL does a couple of things one, the sport, the competition is much more like a real job. But you get fired at any moment. Most of us are out, will employee's. We're not. We don't have a seven year guaranteed deal. We relate to the players and the players are just kinda normal. Most of them were kind of blue blue-collar. Why? Because the name. Of the sport has them getting yelled at all the time. So there's a humility that comes with it. Now, I'm not saying there aren't super cocky, guys, there are assholes in the sport shirt there, there's that any company in any walk life. But for the most part, and having spent a lot of time around him coaches included people kind of normal now coaches are a little nutty because if you're going to be a coach, you've got to be a little crazy, but they're pretty normal. They can relate to people, you know, people business where I think the NBA is kind of got away from that LeBron sipping wine in his huge mansion. Michael Jordan, while he was elite. He kind of had relatable, qualities loved to smoke cigars love to drink loved to gamble. You know most people love to golf, you know, love to his life was pretty basic most of our lives pretty basic. And I think these quarterbacks in, you know, think piece is coming out from just some crazy journalist that, like, we gotta stop all these players from chugging beers. It is a bad look. And then seven people will read it because no one reads newspapers. The USA today or whoever what columnists would ride it, but that's common. But I love it. It's so genius, and it's kinda cool. How it organically happened kind of, at the, you know, era Rogers, the reason is gonna start it. He's taken some shit, and I've said over and over, I think he's going to need to redeem himself in a locker room with some of the guys, maybe just when they're going to summer break. Maybe just bring in like a twelve pack of course light, and they all can slam them. Maybe shot on him, but he's going to have to do something. But, but I think this, this is pretty cool, and it's just sometimes you can't this is just I think you're going to see it all summer long when these guys go on fourth of July stuff. They'll be tweeted out, and it makes them very, very relatable. I it's very good for the sport because it goes, I I've done that before in college to those guys. Fun. What's the first thing you say when you meet when you meet someone Fame's, like was he cool how the act you'd be like? Yeah. Like to have a beer with that guy, you know, it'd be like MS Stafford. I'd like to slam a beer with that guy. I like to sit at a bar with that guy. And that's what the NFL has lot of they always have, and they definitely do right now. That's why the sport I mean, an element to why the sport is just so damn popular. The players relatable and Danny Shapiro, my new podcast family secrets, just wrapped up its first season, and it's filled with stories about the secrets that are kept from us secrets that we keep from others and the secrets, we keep from ourselves if you've been waiting for the right time to binge them all now's your chance. Check out the episodes among with bonus interviews and stories and keep an ear out for the next season in August. You can find out more at family secrets podcast dot com and you can listen and subscribe at apple podcasts for on the iheartradio app or. Wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay. Well, let's get to my next guest former general manager former senior bowl director, former now Bama color radio analyst, and former general manager. We're going to dive into this of the af Zona team. We're going to talk about that, and my, my friend, most importantly, Phil savage. What's up Phil? I well, my friend. Yeah. Too many formers there, I need some current stuff. And of course, I'm still doing a lot of work for Sirius XM radio. But yeah, with the demise of the alliance of American football at least a month earlier than any of us could've ever -ticipant it'd I'm between sinus right now is the way on. Let's, let's start with the af because, you know, from the outside, John middlekauff sits in northern California. And I think a lot of people that fall, you on social media and have heard your name over the years, they'd go once you left the NFL, and you did that Alabama radio, and he ran the senior bowl and felt like you brought in the recent senior bowl it just became a little bit more a bigger event last five or six years when the news came that Phil savage was leaving the senior bowl to run a team. I, I know I was a little shocked was that how that decision even take place in materialize. Well, what really happened is the twenty eighteen senior bowl Bill Polian in one of the co founders of the alliance with covering the event for ESPN. And while he was on the ground in January. He reached out to me and said, hey, you know, I'd like you to be one of the GM's of, of one of our eighteen in this new league that I'm going to be a part of. And I said, we'll do I have to interview four and he said, no? You know you don't. And so a hall of fame executive who offers you job like that. It makes you sit up straight. And so several weeks pass we got into the spring, and as it turned out, he had also talked to Rick new highs about being a coach in the league recognized worked at UCLA together years ago in nineteen ninety stayed in touch with each other, we obviously both worked for siriusxm. And so, I tell Bill, hey, I'll do it. If Rick is the cubs and Rick is telling Bill that, hey, I'll do it. It's still sad. Manages, the GM. So it was really a good match. And I felt like that, you know, in the springtime, I definitely wanted to do it. The question would be is there. Was there a possibility to try to do both? In other words, do the senior bowl in the fall and in January and then shift gears and go the alliance. And, you know, I felt like that there was a possibility that, that can happen. But in reality, it just was not going to work with the leadership, quite frankly at the senior bowl. And so, when the fork in the road presented itself, I, I felt like, you know, I feel like that, that my work in mobile, which is my hometown felt like we kinda maxed it out from where it was when I got there, we'd had the number one pick in the draft and Baker Mayfield. We'd had Josh Allen go seventh over all the quarterback from Wyoming. You know, different times we had ten first rounders, one year, we had, you know, over ninety players drafted one you several years. And, you know, the sponsors and all those things were in good shape. And I just felt like that, you know, maybe this would be the time to, to, to make a move like this. And look, I wouldn't have done it just for anybody. But when the idea became that, first of all, it was built poll in, and then Secondly, it was going to be with Rick. I'm like, you know, I should do this. Again. My wife was open to it. And so at that time, we didn't even know which team it was going to be. We just knew it would be out, west and so awesome. It -ly we landed in Phoenix, which Rick's hometown. And I have absolutely zero regrets about making the move because it gave me a chance to be GM again. A but be it just was an unbelievable. Experience to actually build not only team but helped put together an entire league and that was something that we had a lot of fun doing. Yeah, there were some twists and turns along the way, but it was one of the most enjoyable football jobs. I've had and. From from pure football sense. It, it was really well done, unfortunately, the business side of things unbeknown to Bill Polian, and all of us that were on the football side. It clearly was was never in a in a solid foundation of financial situation to sustain itself. And it all came crashing to an end on April the second, well, that's pretty crazy just from a football sense. Like you said, you got hall of fame guy as kind of the overlord of everything all the coaches in GM's, which are football people first before business, obviously believed in it. And then that opening weekend's pretty cool. One of television ratings were, you know, high, and then it was clear that we're going to be a bunch of guys we're going to get some NFL shots. And then I remember the first time that maybe a story came out the league was in financial trouble, and then they had to go get the second guy from the Carolina Panthers. Whoever the hockey guy was is that when you first start getting a little nervous or do you even think that wasn't even a big deal when that happened? Really, there were two different steps. We had many camps in December, and between the week the week after Christmas and before new year. It seemed like there's about a three day period where things kind of went dark, and there were some rumors that hey wait a minute. Some hotels weren't pay this that and the other. But then we also up in training camp for in San Antonio on January third, and it was all systems go. And so it was not really a thought for any of us throughout the month of January, we got into February and after the first game, the first payroll was going to be due for the players and it was explained to us that there was just a change in the payroll company that had nothing to do with the actual finances. And, you know, we all of us destruct our shoulders and felt like okay that's the deal will then simultaneous to that is when we find out we're getting a new investor who would actually have decision making. Authority over Bill polling, and Charlie ever saw who was the two co founders, and I think that was probably the, the key moment where everybody was like, okay, we've been putting all this together under the two co founders. Now, this is a little bit of a variable in, in the middle of this, and, and really from that time on there were some different little rumors along the way. But again, John never to a point where you felt like we wouldn't at least finish the season. Do you think that guys like yourself new Heisel on a bunch of people who have the league would've gotten volved, obviously, polling was important, but Charlie ever saw who you know, I don't think most people know, but they know that last name and the older people that name mean something because the power of his father, dick Ebersol. His name had been Charlie middlekauff. You know, would you have been as comfortable getting the league or did you just place, a lot of I don't know. Maybe blind tr. Trust. Because of how powerful the guy's name was. Yeah. I think it really because the name recognition was with Bill poll in, and then obviously, Charlie and the connections his dad and family had television networks. And just again, you know going back to all the combines that we did last summer and then the quarterback Cam, which was a quarterback combine in, in the fall. And I'm not what about you? I want, I want your guys quarterback draft on CBS sports lesser. Yeah. In Las Vegas. I mean, all of that felt is real is anything that I've ever done in football? I mean, it was never a thought that okay? This is a this is really thinking ship because really all along. They were there were different times, where questions were asked. And evidently, it was always said, oh, no. We're good for at least three years, financially viable. This is all great news. And, you know, our job was to come in and put the football piece of together, and unfortunately. In this situation, there pantley wasn't enough checks and balances to make sure that the other side of it was really going in the right direction. But again from, you know, our players, especially with the hot shots and I can't speak for all eighteen. But I know for our team. We had a really unique situation in Glendale. We, we had a building at a place called Thunderbird school of global management that just recently been purchased by small college called Arizona Christian university. So they were basically renovating the campus grounds for next fall. And we were the only ones on that campus. We had our building which was as good a football building, as you would ever see as far as meeting rooms, you know, Xhosa video training area, all that dining hall and our players stayed on campus. Then we've practiced at the cardinal stadium state farm stadium. There's some practice. Feels outside of that silly. We dressed in practice there. And then our games at sun devil stadium which they did a, you know, a beautiful job on the fields and they welcomed us with, with open arms. So from our standpoint, I think our players would say, man, you know this is this close to the NFL I could possibly be without being in the league. So we took a lot of pride in terms of the, the work that was done behind the scenes to put all that together. And of course I'd gone to, to the valley, gone out to Phoenix, maybe three or four times, you know, in August and September I was going out there about once a month to try and identify, and then help us get situated in terms of facilities, which was probably the biggest challenge of all of it, in terms of finding a place to me. Eat dress and practice. You know, you wouldn't think of it, but, but that's probably the toughest thing about trying to get a leak started. When, when did you find out it was over and. Have you ever had any contact cents with Charlie? We had a weekly conference call every Tuesday. And I mean it was like clockwork, twelve o'clock central one o'clock eastern ten o'clock Pacific every Tuesday starting really the middle of last may, and I would tell you, John, that if you could've eavesdropped on those conversations you said man, this thing is totally legit because it was player personnel player personnel rules game rules, officiating medical scenarios. I mean, anything that you could think of that you would have to be on top of to put a league together. It was discussed in those calls and just a lot of really competent, professional people, and so on April the second which was our, our Tuesday, and our regular conference, call there was obviously reports overnight on Monday night, that maybe this thing was coming to close. And that's when Bill told us all in that conference. Call that we were to see operations immediately. And, you know, a couple of teams were practising that day because they had Saturday, a Saturday game. And so they actually had to physically go out and stop the practice. Well, and I know the the San Antonio team Mike Riley head coach. There's a good friend of mine. He told me afterwards that he said, Phil, we were on the field practicing and twenty minutes later, our guys were walking out of there with garbage bags full of stuff. I said it ended in twenty minutes for us now, our situation, we were not in practice that day because we had a Sunday game coming up. So our players were all and through the social media team works out. We were able to communicate with forty nine of our fifty two three of our guys had gone home for family situation. So forty nine of our players made it back and, you know, we had a meeting and talk through, and walk through everything. And some of the nightmare stories that you heard about other teams like guys getting kicked out of the hotel and getting charged for so that didn't happen with thank goodness. So our guys had somewhat of a smooth transition. They were allowed to stay in that dorm. You know, for several more days, I think even a couple of guys stay for a week or ten days afterwards, until they could figure out where they were going to go. I mean, you know, that goes the, the one negative story that one's gonna go viral, not, not the positive ones, but you know, being out here in the bay area, I got involved in a startup several years ago. Oh, that, you know, kind of went belly up just all of a sudden it just ends. I'll be the first say, honestly, you've been doing this longer than me, but I think it sucks. But it's it's an incredible experience. You really can't get it anywhere else. You know, just. No. Now, you couldn't. And like say I have no regrets about doing it. Because, you know again, it was a lot of fun with, with Rick as our head coach. We had a really good stack. Nick Alli ODI came from Oregon. Yeah. Seven really good coach on the staff. Our players the thing that I've found John, that was refreshing about it is that every person involved, essentially, the coaches staff, the players all of us had been fired cut traded told you weren't good enough whatever everybody had been through the wringer in football. And so now it was just really about your law and passion for the sport and knowing that, okay. This is an opportunity to do something that I really enjoy doing and I thought our players were were hung hungry. I thought they were humble and it was refreshing to be around guys that really were playing. I mean, look, seventy grand is a lot of money for ten weeks, but it's not in a cell money. And so those guys decided to to, you know put their hat in the ring, and, and try to play. They were doing it because they, they really love the game. And they felt like okay this is a way for me to to make a living. So. So there's a lot of good ideas that came from the league and obviously, the XFL is gonna try to take their shot at it next spring. I don't know if a spring league is the right approach or maybe you try to run run it simultaneous to the NFL is almost like a true, minor league system where players could get called up. And those sorts of things you know, the idea of the alliance was to do it as spring league. That's what the XFL is going to do. But I I'm not sure that, that, that is really the right approach. I'm almost of the mind that doing it in the fall simultaneous to all the other football might be the best the best way to, to approach Tom. Chelsea handler. And I'm launching a brand new podcast with iheartradio called life will be the death of me. And I'm gonna talk to all these different people, my BFF Mary McCormack. That's what we should call. My book tour the apology for great idea. Sorry every. On this whole podcast should be called. It should be called with the orange because of the orange theme of the book Archie. Glad I went to therapy. Life would be the death of me with Chelsea handler. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. I mean you've been around football now at the highest level since you got hired in the NFL win in the early nineties with bell check and up through this year, you know, the af to save into still close with a bunch of people in the NFL. It does feel like the, the business of the NFL. I mean, I'm someone that also worked in the NFL, but now I make a living just talking about it. And because there's so many crazy salacious stories, I'm able to do well, and nobody will care. Do you think the I don't know how to put this, but, like the expansion of media and the business element of football has has impacted or change the sport or it's still football football. And it's just extra noise that the good coaches are able to kind of, you know, cancel out. Well, I just think that the popularity of sport it's gotten to the point where, you know, a lot of people wanna play a lot of people wanna coach. A lot of people wanna scout. I mean John when I went into Browns in nineteen ninety one. I think we had like twelve coaches and maybe six scouts. Now, you look at the NFL like Tampa Bay this year. They've got twenty eight coaches on their roster. How many how many have and, you know, in college, I mean you have ten official coaches, but then you have really many analysts almost as you want. And so the explosion of people you know that are in the game connected to the game. And obviously the dollars that are available out there. I think that's probably part of the motivation for people wanting to get into it. I mean look, when I started almost thirty years ago you got into because you love the sport. And you want to coach or you wanna scout or whatever it's going to be and. You know you serve as a grad assistant for a number of years, and you don't make a lot of money for about six, seven years and till finally, you know, you get a real opportunity, and now with the fast track that, that people are on not only players, but coaches and scouts look this fear, you know, just look at the hiring cycle of the coaches this year, you know, I, I would say that twenty years ago, you know, you couldn't have gone from being a one year coordinator to being head coach. Now, there have been exceptions. I mean, Andy Reid never officially call plays in Green Bay before he became the coach at Philadelphia. But you know what I'm saying everything now happen, so much faster? You know you draft the rookie quarterback in days gone by you could red shirt or sitting for a year. No worries. Now, if the guy sits for four weeks, that seems like a, you know, ten years is anxious, his people are about getting quarterbacks on the field. Do you think? 'cause you you've been around Bella check and saving. And I've read your book on, you know, talk a lot about saving any bell check and just reading the bell checkbook. I can one hundred percent say both those two individuals. They both make combined probably twenty twenty five million dollars between their salaries but they did not get into football for the money they got into it because they love football. It does feel like a lot of coaches now, in like you say the same thing about assistant coaches just young coaches in general and scouts are in it, maybe for the wrong reasons or do you still think a lot of guys coaching because they liked coaching. I mean you've seen it. You've seen a ton of coaches, come through savings operation the last five six years. You think that's impacted at all the money in the sport. John, I have to think that it does. I mean look, I, I wanna say that the purity of it is still there. You know, people finish up playing and they decide they want to go into coaching or go into scout. I mean, you look in, in twenty five years ago, most of your scouts were former coaches, you know, they had already time in the NFL and then they would bump over to another side of the building nowadays. You know, these twenty somethings they're starting off with the idea that they're going to go into scouting. So that's a lot different now than it was back then. But I would have to say that the dollars probably are more attractive, and if attracted more people to the to the game, and I'm not I would even restrict it to, to football. I mean, I would yeah for sure four one hundred percent when you consider the amount of coverage that it gets it so visible to just the average person. And then when you when you dig into the dollars. I think that, you know, obviously people are, are drawn to it for that reason, but you're right about Bill Bella check, Nick saving. I think certainly there's gotta be some piece of pride to say, okay, nobody makes more money than I do as a coach, but I don't think that either one has ever focused on what they were making. I think at a certain point they turned it over to the Representative and those guys kind of handle that forum. And, you know, the rest of like I say, if you Bill Bill check in the middle of South Dakota at a high school and said, hey, you're gonna coach the long snappers and special teams, he do it better than any coach in the country, for whatever the salary was, if you took Nick saving and said, hey, we're going to, you know, pay you a hundred grand to be the defense tobacco to Duquesne you know, she would go there and do it better than anybody at that level. I'm sure because that's, that's just their makeup. That's who they are. Who do you think? Football more knicker Bill. While you know, I think that. I think golly, I, I guess how I would separate it. I think Bill may have more appreciation for the history of the sport because of his father and just the fact that, you know, just grew up around it at a young age. It's all these really ever known. And I think that he has such respect for the game, I would say with Nick Sabin, it wouldn't have mattered had each in basketball, or hockey or another sport his competitive nature is really the driving force but behind his success. And so I don't think he's really worried about history. Not worried about the future worried about today in trying to win whatever game is going on that particular day. Of course, I wrote that book forcing goal every day. And that's, that's the sense you have when you're there, everybody has a job to do, and they're expected to be on point, every single day, other than you know. Few weeks vacation that they get over the course of a year. Would you say Bill Nick might be the most intense football coach, would you say bills, the smartest when you factor in the total package? I mean you saw. You saw it from the ground floor, when no one really knew. I mean, the people knew he was because he had been a coordinator for parcels as a first time head coach. And it seems like you guys still talk about to this day. It was cleared. This guy was on a different level. Yeah. I would say for both of them, you know, the football intellect is there. Secondly, the, the incredible work ethic is there. And then Thirdly, they both have really adjusted with the times. I mean you look at the coaches ages. I mean, it's, it's Bill bell check Nick Savin Pete Carroll. There's a handful of guys in their sixties, but it's a young man sport. Yeah. Sure. And, you know, I would say that, you know, one of the differences between them is obviously, you know, Nick is like a rolling thunder storm. You know, he's gonna come through, and it's going to be high winds and thunder and a lot of lightning, and then it'll be over, you know, whereas Bill, you know, he he's more reserved. But, you know, his his ability to say something sarcastic way believe me get the point across in much the same matter as, as same manner is if you say, get you out my next saving. I mean, totally different approaches, but, you know. Both of them have a way of motivating their people. And, you know, they it just really goes down back to their to their personality. I mean, I'm always thought coach Bela check was somewhat of shot person in reality and somewhat. You know, more reserved. Whereas, you know, we're Nick is also very shy an introvert you know, in small small groups, but in front of a large crowd. I mean, he can command you know, the fifteen hundred person audience where they take in every word that he says, so it's interesting, the contrast between the two but, like I say at the very beginning to three things football intellect to work ethic. And then the adaptability to me. That's really what separates those two from everybody. Yeah, for sure. I mean it was crazy about savings team coming back this year as you say, you know that you have front row seat for the majority of tenure has been defined by defense. Well, it does feel like this year. He is best. Quarterback it over this run coming back into a and Jerry, Judy. I mean for a start with Jerry Julia. I mean how good is this kid is he obviously if the top two guys would be Julio in Amari, I guess, Calvin Ridley thrown his hat in the race. Pretty damn good to the is this guy that level. I mean a top five pick in this upcoming draft because that's where I kind of the buzz. Yeah. John Jerry is, you know, he's a slippery when wet kind of player out in space. I mean he is he's quick. He's fast. He's is jolly catches. The ball. He's got really good instincts. The understands how to, you know, get open and stay open if I were rating them. I mean look, this is just kind of a blind dart throw. But my respect for Julio Jones is way up there because I saw Julio as a ninth grader when he came an eighth grader actually when he came to my football camp down here in south Alabama. You know, he's a female like six one hundred ninety pounds as an eighth grader, most every kid there. You know, he lived up to the high every stock whether it's been from high school to college college, the NFL, and that is hard to do really. And, and I think Amari Cooper to me has been the second best receiver that Bama, produce even though he went a couple of spots higher than Julio. But you know that's the year two. Year traff. Yeah. Value saying I thought Calvin really was a nice player, obviously went the first round but it was at the bottom end of the first round to Atlanta. I thought that was probably about the right spot. And with Jerry Judy, I would I would say that, if he plays as well as capable of this year, he, he would have a chance to be up there with Amari Cooper. I'm not gonna put him in the Julio category. 'cause Julio's freakish height weight speed prospects and, you know, judy's probably gonna check in like six one hundred ninety in that range. So he's just really really skilled. But he's he's an excellent player. There's no two ways about it. What about the quarterback? I mean to see a legitimate number one overall guy. You know, John, I think you just take two for what he is. Which is a guy that's got very good is, he's got a quick relly and be has mobility. There's no reason to think that he wouldn't be a top tick with this caveat. He has not really stayed healthy. The whole time he's been I'll Obama. He arrived as a mid year, broke his hand, you know, ended up backing up. Jalen hurts for that, for the fall, then got in obviously and help Bama win the national championship at the end. Then all the height last year. You know, same thing had another little injury in the screen then got into the season had an ankle in new and really wasn't the same player in November and December that he was in September and October. And you know, to me, that's something that you have to assess ruggedness durability, you're talking about sixteen to twenty weeks in the NFL. I mean it is a tough year in that league. And does he have the lower body -bility? I mean on the hook. He does. I mean you know, he legged he measured in this spring, a shade over six. Feet and then two hundred and thirty pounds. So I think he was up about ten pounds from where he was last season. So I don't know if he's tried to gain the weight, you're get himself a little bit more girth. I don't know that, but I mean, look, if a team is drafted number one, and they run sort of a west coast, you know quick rhythm passing game. Then I, I don't see how he would be you would pass if the team is more of a play action pass, you know, one of the guy in the pocket and throw from the apex of his raw then maybe he wouldn't be the choice in team would, you know, look at a Justin herb, or somebody else. But I mean to is gonna be he's gonna be dissect this year than probably any quarterback, we've seen come come through in a while, I would agree. There you told me some awhile back when JIMBO had Florida state humming. You said he recruits an SEC player, but he plays an ACC schedule. And now that Florida state's falling. Off. Clemson just picked it up and ran within pry better. They're kind of doing the same. I mean you saw the draft. They're pumping out, Alabama level players, and hell, they just beat Alabama now was a little freaky, because they had all these guys come back that usually would have gone pro, but you live in Alabama. I mean, you know this program, well you think they've caught him? Do you think it was just kind of an outlier season? I know they beat him before, but that game was a coin flip game were were last year was a blow out. Do you think you know? And I think the big question is one day savings gonna retire. Dabbagh Sweeney played it Alabama. But are we sure that would you wanna fall, Nick Sabin when you say Clemson and make huge cash and guarantee easier road to the playoffs every year? I just you know, as Clemson, would you say it's kind of Dalla Bama in. Do you picture of dabble leaving Clemson when it's all said and done to replace Nick whenever retires? Yeah. John Lott to discuss their this spring, when Clemson extended Daboh and made him a nine million dollar year coach I thought the way they structured that deal really put a put it put him in a situation where now he doesn't have to explain to anybody. What he's doing. He can stay at Clemson from now until the end of the deal, or after about six years, or so once that by out goes down, then he probably would have the option to go back. And, and what I'm saying is, I think it bought that new contract extension by him. Enough time for Alabama to see what they're gonna do you know, in other words, Nick Sabin, going to be done in the next year to, or is he really going to go another six or seven years? But my, my point of it is that I think there's enough time in there that if Nick save and did step away. Somebody else could go in there. And then. You could see Daboh come back. I don't think there's a snowball chance in heydays that he follows Nick saving directly at Alabama and he may never come back, Alabama. I mean look, he's going to. He's built his own program. He's put his own name on it. He's beloved there. And you know it's nice to be wanted. And as long as he stays at Clemson and keeps winning hill. Always be wanted, and he'll be seen as you know, kinda like the number one choice to come back to Bama. Whereas, you know, if you actually come back and then it doesn't go as well. You, you know, you tarnish your legacy bit, but I'll say this. I think the name to keep an eye on for Alabama, as we move into the future is, is actually Freddie kitchens. The new coach of the Browns. And the reason I say that if you look at the history of Bama when, when coach Paul bear, Bryant retired, and then unfortunately, passed away, who did they go get they went and got rape Perkins from the New York Giants. Then after Bill curry followed Ray Perkins, and they were looking for a coach, who did they go get they went and got gene stallings from the Zona cardinals. And so, and then. You know, the most recent coaching change. They've got Mike Shulan place. He's not doing well. Who do they go gets got Nick Sabin from the Miami Dolphins? So that's three coaches in a row who had some degree of success over the years that came directly from the NFL, and I think, you know, who knows how pretty kitchens gonna do the expectations are very high. They may go on and win the Super Bowl and if they do maybe he'll stay up there forever. But I do think that he'll be one of the one of the top two or three names, regardless if that job, where to open in the next couple years, or eight years from now, I think he'll be on that list, that would that'd be pretty crazy. You. You've been the Cleveland before. I mean that's the hype on that team right now feels a little over zealous, given that they were think Baker mayfield's record last year was one in five against winning teams that town. I mean, if they don't start, what happens fill the Brown start one and two wouldn't people start freak. Out immediately. I mean, the expectations of them making the playoffs when they just haven't gone in recent memory just seem a little out of whack. Yeah. The last winning season John was in two thousand seven when I when I was still the GM and Romeo Cornell was the head coach. Now we flopped, you know the following year. No wait. But since then they've haven't even had a winning season. You know most of the time people do things in stages. And so he would think that the next day is really for the Browns would be to get to five hundred or nine and seven and really contend for playoff berths. And I think looking that division we sat divisions taking a step back. I think I had and relics relative to what it's been in years past. I mean, I remember one time to one of the writers there in Cleveland, you know years ago, I'm like, you know, the truth of it is the Browns are fighting for third place with Cincinnati, as long as flacco is in Baltimore with that be fence. And then Big Ben is in Pittsburgh with that defense. And they that might be another decade. I'm like exactly. And you know what? It's been a. Decade before. Now, there's some cracks in that division where maybe the door opens a little further for Cleveland to get into the mix. Well fill. I'll let you run. You know, you just just a man with many talents. You've done at all. You know, not most people only done one thing you have about eight million things on your resume. You want you to call a game. They want you to run a senior bowl, they want you to run a team. I mean, what can't you do as my question? Well, I'll tell you this, John, as you know, in the NFL when you're GM, if you get fired the likelihood of you getting a second opportunity, or, or few and far between and they're a few out there, John. Why do you think why do you think that is you've always told me that? And it's true. Do you have a day Riyan in New York? And I think, you know, really there's a couple reasons for a lot of times now when GM openings occur, the teams will promote someone from within like this year, Miami, it was Chris Greer who's already on the scene there involving Moore. It was there a cost taking over for Ozzie Newsome they, so there's some familiarity with an in house candidate. Plus, typically, it doesn't cost as much to promote somebody from within as it does to go get a stranger from outside the organization. And then I think the other thing, too is once you're a GM your records going to travel with you, and it's hard to sell GM, who has a losing record. To your city to your fan base maybe even to your own organization. When in reality, we see it happen with coaches all the time coaches, get recycled, you know, each and every year. And so for whatever reason in the GM world, that doesn't happen. And where I was going with that story is that in two thousand nine of that spring after I got fired from the Browns, I told my wife that I just, I don't know what could happen, but I really don't think it's a reality that I could get another shot, at least right now. And I said, I'm gonna try to expand my resume and a lot of different direction so that if one thing's rise up would just keep right on going with something else. And I never imagined that, you know, ten years would pass, and I would have had the opportunity to do some of the things that I've been able to, to do whether, you know, work for US PIN on the inside or show. Or call the Alabama games as the color analyst. I mean those are. All saying that, that I love to do working for Sirius XM has been, you know, just a an absolute joy to be able to talk about college and pro football, you know, year round. So all of those kinds of things have have been fun. And hopefully hopefully people think I've been decent at it. I enjoyed you Phil. That's I say that say that this is Nick Sabin miss. You does he text you every once in a while wonder when coming home or? He moved on. Harley he moves on. He moves onto the next the next and the next battle the next competition, the next the next thing that's on the radar, and, you know, like I say earlier, he he's got an amazing ability to segment saying, over the course of a calendar year, and as long as those things remain in the proper order, he's gonna be he's gonna be on with most everything he does. But, you know, Clinton I mean we'll see how Clinton is this year? They lost a lot of talent. They still have arguably the best quarterback in college and Trevor Lawrence and you're right though. In terms of them accumulating, SEC talent playing ACC schedule. They may not have to be, you know quite at their peak throughout the regular season. Like say Georgia Alabama or an Auburn would have to be LSU. Maybe my, my gym is also a hotel and the today, there was a guy sitting in a hotel, an Auburn. Polo. And so I'm waiting for a coffee and I'm kind of eased dropping and I hear him say he's on the phone talking about offers. And I was like, wow, I bet that's a football coach out here. Spring recruiting daily sows right down the street and it's just crazy. To me in these Auburn, Alabama, I know Oklahoma obviously jor all the big schools they it's not just in their backyard. I mean, they're going all over the country to find players, they just because there's no expense, that's in their way. So I would imagine it was Auburn football out here looking at football players. Yeah, there's no no expand. And then the other thing is on the other side of it that the players in their family. They're more familiar with teams and programs on the other side of the country than they've ever been before. I know because television because social media, and, you know, obviously, these coaches move around a lot. So sometimes Gago from the east coast to the west coast, or the opposite direction, and, you know, he'll bring a pocket full of players with. Because if the relationships that he built that his previous school, so yeah, everything's wide open now in, in that regard. And I wanna say this past year for Bama, now, this is quite a departure from the seventies and eighties. But I wanna say this year like they're starting twenty two it's like fifteen sixteen of their starters were from out of out of state aid. They definitely have subscribed to, to the, the idea of national recruiting, but I will say this when, when you say that when, when you get to the iron bowl, one of the concerns that Nick savings, always had is that when Alabama gets to that Auburn game those, though the kids now don't realize what a huge rivalry it is. They think LSU's the team they have to be and the truth of it is, is that the iron bowl means more to more people in this country than any other game but sometimes these players come from other parts of the country, and they don't grasp that until they get into well because as. A California guy. If you ask me, I mean, I know the iron bowl of big deal. But what's the Alabama biggest game every year I back well LSU, you know, always the you know, five o'clock game on ESPN is, is a big deal. You know, it always feels the biggest because it usually has national championship implications to not that the honorable the iron bowl doesn't, but the LSU game, maybe a little more sexy, at least for us outsiders. Feels like yeah. You know, LSU, obviously, for a good stretch of time there has been, you know the game. In other words, the winner that game had a chance to go onto the BCS. Yeah. Four perhaps title game, which would lead to the playoff. So that's kinda first big hurdle for both schools. And then, you know, for Alabama when they if they clear LSU then attention turns to Auburn, but it is kind of an interesting dynamic the way that college recruiting how much it's changed. And I said this John, I know you wanna wrap up, but, you know, while Nick savings gonna go down as maybe the greatest college coats in history of the sport. His his most influential contribution to the sport is has nothing to do with exit of it has all to do with the recruiting of Jimmy's in Joe's, and we look at it when he came to Ella. Bama, nobody else had player personnel department. Now, they do now they have literally staff or student assistance. Grad assistants analysts people that are signed to those ten coaches to help put these recruiting classes together via the evaluations via the communication, and they just now every major school in the country has a player personnel departments matter of fact last week, I've been hosting a scout school for each of the last six years, and we had kids come in from his far away, as Oregon and UC Davis to closest to lane and Florida and South Carolina, and Alabama and all those people that came to the school last week, they would not even been they wouldn't even have had a job, you know, ten twelve years ago, but now with the advent of player personnel department in college, there's just a huge amount of people that are involved in terms of the evaluations, and then the recruitment of these. Of these high school players was funny. I had drew hill on from Oklahoma that I used to work with Fresno state. I think you know, him he now is, you know, he came there with Bob stoops. And then he's stay with Lincoln, and he has multiple people that work under him. He's only in charge of recruiting him in Lincoln, just deal with the eighty five scholarships. He's basically axes like I guess the head coach is the GM, but he's like the assistant GM just in charge of every offer. They make every every coach that goes out spring recruiting. Like you said, I mean the he save in and he wants interviewed with saving I made completely change the game and every single major program that has, you know, trying to win a national championship has basically copied them and rightfully so. Yeah. I mean, it it's fascinating in a lot of the guys that, you know, have gotten their started ala Bama, and then, you know, spun off from there to other colleges, but I'm really this is totally different subject. But this little scouts where we started five years ago. And, you know, just in the last five years, we've had sixteen attend east come through that are now scattered across twelve different NFL teams. So, you know, guy came in here with the hopes that, hey, I'm in college, but I also want to jump to the NFL and sixteen of them have been able to do that over the last five years. So it, it seems to be a program that works, especially for the ones that try to apply, you know what we teach them. Why get this all the time? And I know you probably get a ten times more than me. How do I get into football? How do I get into football? And I got it as a graduate assistant on the recruiting side. I know you did on the coaching side. But now there are so many opportunities while these guys at major programs. If you're just a stew. Student these programs. You just you go in there and cut tape that they have opportunities you just need to go in and ask now, may not pay off the bat, but it will lead to other things because there's never been more jobs in college football on the recruiting side, which is basically scouting. And then that always kind of the is the bridge that leads you to the NFL. I mean, that's kind of the, the catalysts, that most people in the NFL started in college in some form or fashion. Yeah. John, we had twenty participants and I would say a third of them, maybe even half just cycling through it in my head real quick. They are all undergrad. Well, in other words, they can walk in there with, you know, there's programs shirt on, but their undergrads already working towards a career in player personnel. So these, these guys are, you know, jumping on that horse very early which is so, so different than it used to be because in the old day, you had to at least some time in coaching before you even thought about going into scouting. And now people can start off in scouting without ever coaching down. So the opportunities are definitely there will thanks again fill in. I guess you're probably headed to dinner enjoy dinner. John, I am a wife got a big project. She started an arts and music festival, and workshop, and it's all this week. It's actually been over the last ten days, so she has a world class singers, and actors actresses from New York and across the country that have descended to lower outlay Bama, and they're going to have a number shows this week. So I'm gonna get changed and go do that. But man, I'm happy and proud of everything. You've done it. It's just been fun to watch you develop this media profession that you have, and obviously grow your company as much as you have, they still really appreciate it, and any first round draft picks, and the musicians or some seconds or thirds or. I tell you what. Now, some of these people, I mean, this is legit talent. Yeah. It'll bring it here. It'll bring a tear to your you've been a Broadway show. I'm sure like if you go to really good one and they, they are like, really, you know, really gifted it's just amazing some of the, the talent that the people have. So I had my what they do. It's, it's not my world, but I definitely recognize their ability. Good night. Feel talkie soon. Okay. John thank free shit. Appreciate it. We'll hope you guys enjoyed that and told a little white lie there had never been to a Broadway show. But you know you just gotta go with the flow. Sometimes be back on Friday. Middlekauff mailbag questions at John middlekauff on Instagram. Get up in there. 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News Roundup - PS5 games to be shown next week

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News Roundup - PS5 games to be shown next week

"Welcome back to this week in video games. And this is the news. Roundup giving you all the latest videogame news. You need to know in just minutes if you find this useful. Then the like Shan subscribe on Youtube and favorite podcast APP link to them below in the description or the show notes. Friday twenty ninth of May Twenty Twenty. Let's get into the news. I in the new. Sony will show playstation five games next week. This is by Tom. Phillips Bureau Gamer. Sunny will reveal multiple playstation five. Kms Takes Week on Thursday fourth of June Vara stream on twitch and Youtube presentation will ask her and our debut at nine. Pm UK Time Ryan on the playstation blog company. Boss Jim Ryan. He's to focus for the. Ps Five software lineup. Shed technical specifications and show new Jones wireless controller but what is launch without Games Ryan Rope? That's why I'm excited to share that. We will soon be giving you a first look at the Games. 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Jim Nagy (Part 1)

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

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Jim Nagy (Part 1)

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By the way. Speaking of me just finished, a very media conversation with Jim Nagy from the senior bowl today will be part one next week, we'll have part, two part, one is really all about his career in scouting, how he got a job how he moved up the ranks the two organizations. He and I were with at the same time everything that went in to Jim getting the where he is now. And then part two next week, we will really, really dive into the senior bowl itself, what it means. Why it's so important. What the time line is what's next Ford, if you love the. College draft you love this scouting process. Well, you're listening to the right podcast, number one, and number two, you'll really enjoy both aspects of the conversation with Jim Nagy from the senior bowl. Here's part one well as promised extremely excited about today's guests a guy that I guess I kind of knew since my rookie year and two thousand one I think he might be the only person I was ever a member of Turgen ization with in the scouting part of it. At least it's kind of funny, we never really talked about it, and really ever only had a couple of conversations, but he is now the executive director of the senior bowl does a terrific job there. I mean, the senior bowl has just taken off and he didn't outstanding job this past year and was a scout for almost twenty years before that he is Jim Nagy, Jim, what's up man? Iran. Sorry about, hey, I gotta start with this because I go over this all over this all the time with matinee being from where I'm from in Pennsylvania. Nagy nagy. What are we going with? I go Nagy because it's easier you know, I'm not one of the I could go the other man. Really? Honestly, it whatever whatever's give you I'm fine. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna split hairs over it. I'm good. It's funny, because that's been like a major issue in Chicago, where half. The people say, Nagy half the people say Nagee, and I guess Matt told people it's actually like, hey, like Nagy. So it's actually even if it's even harder. It's in between. Well, if you go back to the motherland in Hungary, it's pronounced nudge. So, yeah, it's kind of obscure name here in the United States, but it's actually Smith. If you go over to Hungary, it's the most common surname over there. So. Yeah, we'll, we'll go, what whatever works raw down. All right. So I wanna start Jim we're gonna make this a two parter because I wanna to do a whole episode just on the senior bowl and what an event and business. That's become. But I, I wanted to kind of give people your background. I know a lot of it and actually looked up some of it, but I prefer to let my guest kind of tell the story of where you grew up. You know what did you play and kind of how did you how did you into this business? Yeah. Well, we got a little time. Usually doesn't fit radio show. It's doing podcast. No, I grew up in northern Michigan and a place called traverse city you know, people like that's how I got into scouting, and I tell him really in the NFL, the only advantage that I had with that, I knew and I wanted to do from the time out about six or seven years, old, honestly, grew up around the game of football, and my dad was a coach then what he's stepped away from teaching and coaching we moved to a new town and just by chance there, the kid who I became best friends with his dad was the varsity coach at that school. So just, you know, grew up, you know, two days and, you know, being the equipment manager when I was in elementary school, and running water bottles out at time out and all that stuff that just grew up around the game and then grew up playing it. You know, played a lot of baseball and basketball in high school as well. And when I got done with high school, my only opportunities. To keep playing with with small school football division two division three. So this was pre internet. You couldn't just get on and Google, you know how to become an NFL scouts. So I had no clue. It was just, you know, I idea what I was doing. And I got waitlisted at the university of Michigan. So I was really planning to go play division three football. And once I got into Michigan, I figured, oh, well, that's how people must do it. They must work for, you know, a big, big powerhouse football program or something like that. I really again, just had no idea. And then I went to Michigan for, for four years. My last two I went down and volunteered. And the Atlantic department did a lot with the football team did some stuff on the weekends with the basketball team networks would come into town to make a little money. And then I get sent out resumes and cover letters, really. And back then there was no internships, and the scouting side of things and your only your only way to get your foot in the door was through the. Office. So then out resumes and cover letters to all the PR department through on the league got rejection, letters back from all of them, and except for the Packers and the Packers called and, and brought me over there for training camp. And it was the year. They won the Super Bowl in ninety six and at the end of camp they needed they needed extra help for the year. So they asked me to stay on. And really that was the it was an unbelievable year and all I did was whenever I was done with, with my PR responsibilities for the day. If I've got a break in the day, I would go up to the scouting department, and, you know, bother John Schneider, and Reggie McKenzie to sit and watch tape with those guys and there was five future GM's on that staff. So it was just one of those right place, right time, meet the right people type of thing. And, you know, when you when you broke in not out of Princeton in Washington, that year that was my first year on the road is a scout. John Schneider had been hired to be the right hand guy for mardi Schottenheimer. And in John. Annette control to, you know, put together personnel staff to he hired me to scout the west coast that year. So that was my first year in the league that is awesome. So you know what? I really resonate with that story Jim because my dad's five nine one hundred seventy pounds. And so I actually kinda grew up thinking that I wanted to be like a broadcaster or a like a writer for Sports Illustrated. So if I hadn't gotten, you know, as big as I got and had the opportunities that I had, you know, I can absolutely see myself having to make the decision between playing division three football or basketball or going the like a Syracuse New house school or something like that, for the broadcasting part of it that would be really difficult. I mean, think about your background, your dad, how much like you love football. And you basically voluntarily stopped playing early or prematurely. I would imagine they had to be a pretty a pretty difficult decision because I can just picture myself having to make that same decision. Yeah, it was Ross. It was hard. You know my, my freshman year at Michigan, I barely I, I went to like a game or two. I had a hard time just going and watching guys that I you know, went to camp with the summer before, you know, and they're out there they're out there still playing. I couldn't bring myself to do it. So, yeah, it was it was hard, you know, and I would more often more often than not, I would I would go see my buddies that we're playing around the state of Michigan at other levels of football and just go watch those guys play. But yeah, it was hard. But just like anything, I knew I wanted to get to, and I thought I was doing the right thing. You know, I really did in hindsight. You know, if I would've known there, the, the NFL absolutely littered with guys that played D to indeed three football. You know, I was in New England for a long time with Nick Caserio and Josh Daniels and Josh mcdaniels those guys were teammates at John Carroll. You know, had had I known I could have went that route and got former years the plan and those memories that would have been awesome. But I've no regrets. Everything worked out everything worked out the way, I dreamed it. Would I got it the NFL and had a good almost two decades, and it was it was an awesome Braun but yeah, it was it was hard at the time being eighteen and just knowing you're done, and that's, that's the hard thing about football, and you can, you know, basketball, you can play pick up hoops somewhere. You know you can get into into an adult baseball league somewhere. But when you take off the pats, it's over, you know, and, and, you know the, the truly blessed they're the ones can take them off, you know on their own own accord. That's the tough part when you're kind of forced to take them off. But yeah, it would have been fun to play a little more. But I kind of felt like I had to do what I do so. And obviously it worked out, and you made a great decision. I, I wanna get to it's funny. How often I talked to somebody who has a job in sports that they have a similar story to you about writing a letter to every team, you know, to try to get in, and then you were these. You were in public relations or media relations public relations for that one year yet. So what it, what it John Schneider? And Reggie McKenzie think when the public relations guy was in their office all the time. I don't know. I mean, I, I, I think John appreciated it because you know he had a similar path to. I mean he played division three ball over at Saint Thomas in Minnesota. And just grew up a lifelong Packers fan. You know, he's from Green Bay and doing he came when he graduated college. She basically, you know, stocked out, Ron woolfe in the parking lot of lambofield. And you know, you know, begged him for a job to work for free. So I think he under I think he appreciated where I was coming from because I was just, you know, I, I did what I had to do to get my foot in the door. You know. And then once I, I had in there, I was, I was focused on what I wanted to do. So I don't know that those guys and they're, they're probably annoyed by me. I tried to do it the right way. But I'm sure they were times there were like, what's this PR young PR kid doing up here? I don't know John and I'm talking about that long time. So I guess my other question there is you go to the Redskins. And Marty Schottenheimer is given total control your organization, he hires John Schneider. Who I don't even know how old he wasn't two thousand one but he looked young. I mean really he was wanting nine twenty nine years old twenty nine basically. I mean he really was the GM. I know Marty had alternate say, but he's neither was really running the show so you get the job. You're so excited you get this opportunity and that year we start out Owen five. We go on win the next five to get to five and five we finish eight and, you know, Dan Snyder fires. Marty Schottenheimer at the end of the year, which really set the franchise back for years when he brought in Spurrier, then when did you did you leave on your own accord, or were you let go in that whole? Team change. Yeah, that's a that's another. That's another twist. Yeah. I would tell people Ross that team like you mentioned, we started Owen five and then turned her own at five and five, and I remember Chris Samuels, Stephen Davis were on the cover of Sports Illustrated after that bit win. And we're the first team in NFL history to do that. Dr toe, and five and go five and five, but I honestly felt like Marty Schottenheimer should have won coach of the year that year considering the you know what we were playing with what the roster looked like. And as young as we were in, you know, just trying to get things turned it instead he gets a pink slip. So just that's kind of that's the Redskins in a in a nutshell, though over the last twenty five years. I I really felt like mardi was going to get that team turned around really quickly. But yeah, so what what they wanted me to do the new regime that got brought it. And they wanted me to I just moved my fiance out to the west coast. We're living in Arizona doing the west coast and you know didn't even didn't even. Have a ring on her finger when we moved, and they wanted me to move to Washington and work in how they I don't know if they felt like I was ready to be on the road. I was twenty six years old. You know, maybe I wasn't you know in hindsight him. It's a grind and, you know, but they wanted me to move in house, and, and work in Washington. And I said, well, I just moved it's girl a year ago. She's now, my wife of, of sixteen years. But is there any way that I can, you know, look for something else that would keep me on the west coast and then God that how I didn't know a lot of people around the league? But I I call Jason light from is working at the patriots at the time the GM and the buccaneers now. And just calling the people that I knew, and see if they had anything open and thank God Jason. Yeah. We actually have a west coast opening being go down and talk to Scott, the elderly, and he calls back. Five minutes later. He's like, yes. Got like to bring in for an interview and when out there a couple of days later and got that job. So I didn't I didn't have to. To, to DC able to stay out in Phoenix and due west coast for the patriots. That's awesome. So what's interesting to me about that? Jim is Crimea from wrong. But the patriots typically like to hire guys with no experience. Right. They don't they almost don't want you to have worked for another organization because they want you to teach they want to teach you their ways rather than whatever was in your head from Green Bay in Washington, my off on that or is that kind of that kind of accurate. Yeah. I think that we're it's gotten to roster. Sure with with that game they like to promote from within. But that was you're talking about two thousand going into the two thousand two, then that was truly at the, you know, the inception of, of what got in go spellcheck where we're building out there in New England now like current day. I don't think they would go that route, they'd probably have someone in the pipeline. And again but again going back that far that was right about the time where teams. Started to hire scouting assistance and have have like intern type positions in scouting. So I don't even know if they had one in the hopper. You know, ready for that role in how so you know, the lucky thing for me with that one against this white place, right time? It's one of those things that, that, you know, maybe some young people can learn from, they had a I was living out, west still working for the Redskins that's spring. And there was a pro workout for a wide receiver from candidate Martinho Richter, and it was up in Salt Lake in, because I was on the west coast. It was cheaper to fly me up from Phoenix, and send someone from DC. So I go up to that workout. And you know, I'm just like any young guy. I'm just looking to do anything. I'm doing his height of doing his weight. I'm you know, you know measuring off the forty I'm doing basically doing my best to help run this pro day. And I was real Scott bueller. He happened to be at that workout there that day and he just took a mental note if this young guy from the Redskins. Going around trying to get stuff done. And so when Jason light, walk down the hallway and said, hey, I've got a guy that, you know, looking for our west coast job, he said, who is it? And Jason said Jim Nagy and Scott like, Yup. I remember that guy from the, the Mark Boal Richter pro day. Let's bring him in. So it was I was really lucky. That's got there that day or he wouldn't have known who I was. So it's just is one of those things you never know who's watching you. When you when you're in the NFL, you can always make a good impression. That is unbelievable. You know what I remember the most about you, Jim? You probably don't remember this conversation. But I'll never forget you because I remember so I came into England and five and then they had some injuries. They signed me, and then oh, six I resigned there and I can't remember who it was. Oh, five. I wanna say it was the spring of. Oh, six probably before the draft. And you were probably in town for draft meetings. And yeah you were in the cafeteria. The patriots cafeteria, and so was I and we kind of looked at each other, and I knew you look familiar, but I didn't really remember your name players don't interact with scouts very much certainly not college outs. But I think maybe you recognize me or something. So I knew I recognize you. I just know your name, so we started talking and do you remember what you introduced me to that. I never heard of before. I do. Remember our conversation by don't remember that. I do I do remember running into you. But I don't remember what you're what you're what you bring it up. Now you were the first person that ever told me about pro football talk dot com. Really? Yeah. We were talking about something, and I was just getting my information from KF L. And we might have been talking about something about the Redskins or the draft or whatever. And you said where do you get your information from mice fell? And I said an and you said, have you ever looked at pro football talk dot com. I said, no, I never heard of it. And you said you should check it out, and I remember you saying that I hear that there are some owners that, that's the first thing they read when they wake up in the morning. And I remember thinking. Wow. Okay. So I started reading pro football talk, Dan. And obviously never stopped. It's become a behemoth and really big deal. But I remember you're that I never heard of it. So you mentioned it to me. That's funny, brought up. K F L that used to be an awesome sight as well. I go to that every day. But you've got unbelievable memory Ross. That's, that's incredible. Yeah. My wife would disagree, but yeah, I do. I don't know why. But I always remember, you, you tell me that. All right. So so then you work with a bunch of different teams. For eighteen years now you're with the senior bowl and I'll get into part two next week, specifically the senior bowl stuff, but the one thing I did want to ask you in part one, which is more about you is why, why the senior bowl why why this job and why this job now. It was just way too good of an opportunity to, to. We vetted mobile my family spending mobile for twelve years now. And you know mobile in the home of the senior bowl. So the job comes open last may and my phone just start. Slow enough. I was actually out on a jog and a buddy of mine who who works for the dolphins text me, like, are you going after this thing? And you know, get thrown around, like what is he talking about? So I call him. He's like, he's like getting the senior bowl job just came open. So, you know, I, I had a talk with my wife and, and I said, you know, are we going for this thing and she's like you're darn right? We're, we're going for this thing. So I call John Schneider, who's, you know, my Boston Seattle, and I it was the it was an easy conversation because, you know, first and foremost, I consider John, good friend, and he totally understood, and he, you know, he loves my wife and kids, and we're we're very quotes, and Jimmy, you gotta go for that. Who do I need to who do I need to call? So, you know, I'd say, John, I just I don't wanna be, you know, going back to when, when I started scouting Ross, there was the professions gotten much younger over the years. Used to go to schools when I was a twenty six year old first year scout, you'd go into a school, and there'd be a seventy five year old guy in the room and a sixty eight year old guy in the room. And, you know, I used to ask those guys all the time like what do you have any regrets is there is there anything looking back on your career, you regret and to a man in one once one form or another? They would talk about family time and, you know, just be present being president, for your, your wife and kids when you were home and, you know, all the stuff you miss, and if there's ever a chance for you to, you know, get home and be home for something you have to do it, even if it's making a sacrifice of a long drive. So the family thing always really resonated. And, and, you know, I always took that to heart, and I've got a son who's starting to play high school sports now and you just miss a ton. You know, it's a great profession. I loved what I did all those years, but it's really it's really hard. It's hard on a family. And so to have an opportunity where I could still do. What I love to do, which is evaluate players, you know, and really get a chance to build build rosters. You know, and was in, but stay in mobile and not travel as much. It was too good. So I, I saw Jonathan John, I have to go for this thing. If I'm not there guy, I can live with that. But it but, you know, I at least have to go for this thing, so he was great. And the ball got rolling, then I'd some good help from Ozzie Newsome and some other people in the league that are close to the people here in mobile there that, you know, run the senior bowl. So, yeah, that's, that's kind of it was really family decision. And, and I feel really lucky that it worked out. Well, you're doing an awesome job, the social media stuff obviously what happened with the game last year. You're you're doing an incredible job and absolutely should be commended for that. I guess the one, quote, I saw from you which I thought was interesting is that, you know, if you ever want to be a GM, you know, having to run an organization and have a budget and everything that goes into that are really skills that you don't learn if you're a scout on the road, and I thought that was really interesting because I, I know from my experience, you know, I see GM's get jobs that really aren't ready for the media part of it, or really, frankly, I, I see him. And I see what I think our major mistakes on the financial part of it. They can evaluate guys. But I just don't think that they know the money part of it, that, well, at least some of the contracts, I see then give out to people, and so on some level, you're at least gain, the experience of actually running a pretty big operation. Yeah. You know, I would during the transition when I was coming in here. Someone did an article with Phil savage, my predecessor and film made the comment that he wished. He had this senior bowl job prior to getting his GM job in Cleveland, because he felt like he would have been a lot more prepared and better at it. And you know now that I've been in this role for a year. I mean, I, I would not not that I ever had GM job to compare it to you. But I can see where this job is so beneficial to get not comparing to NFL GM job in the stresses that come along with that. But like you said, you know, in terms of, you know, managing people and handling a budget in the media, and the public speaking, and everything that's involved with, with this job, down here in mobile. You don't get any of that when you're in the NFL, because to me, you know, anything short of that GM chair, they can pay you more money or give you a fancier title. But, you know, you're at the end of the day, you're, you're, you're an evaluator you know. And I've had. Friends get GM jobs that, you know, I've seen them really struggle with the media part of it even on radio. You know, even being able to get on and do radio interviews. They've struggled with because you're never put out there. You never put in front of a camera. You're not used to it. Not that they can't do it, but you're kind of thrown to the wolves. So, so, yeah, I mean this this job's been great preparation for anything that may happen in the future. But I I'm truly loving what I'm doing down here because again, there's, you know, some days, I wish it was more football. I mean I haven't seen a player watch taping about two weeks. So I mean there's there's you can go to long stretches out doing what you really love to do, but it is it is great preparation. And you know, in frankly, I was getting a little rough scouting. Anyway. You know, you've been at schools all the time and being on the road. I mean it was like I said, it's a real grind. So this has been this has been great experience. I've had I've had a blast with it. That was awesome. I'm already fired Bharti thought of another question. Ask him. Part two that I did when we were doing I was like, oh, I should've asked part one, so I started part two with one more question regarding whether or not becoming a GM in the NFL is really a meritocracy. You're not you're gonna wanna listen to par to hear his answer to that. And frankly my answer to that. You also weren't gonna want to go to bed online dot AG, if you haven't already, you could just use the glorious promo code podcast. One ending that gives you fifty percent for free is glorious and I love it. And that's where we're at with the promo code podcast. One, boom podcast, one at Beddoe online dot AG v place to be, but online dot AG podcast, one make baseball more interesting or start placing your college football bets. Go ahead and do it. I think we're done. Here gets kicked world tapped out. 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Hour 2

Dari and Mel

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"Attention. I have a president's day pro tip. Go to Dell dot com slash business. Deals to get deals on Dell business computers with eighth gen Intel core processors, plus free shipping. Call seven seven by Dell to talk to Bill small business, technology advisers and get personalized help finding V best tech at president's day prices. Thank you for downloading the Dorian Mel podcast. Find us in radius at apple podcasts and tune into the show every Saturday morning at nine eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app Doria male. Oh, and so fun to have you with us Dorian male ESPN radio taking it to noon eastern time. There is football tonight. Will you watch are you in the least bit even intrigued perhaps with the alliance? That starts tonight. Eight teams some names you'll recognize we'll get into this a little bit coming up in fifteen minutes Wednesday was national signing day. Yes. There's the early signing period. Did you pay attention to Wednesday? What should you know? In the mel's big board of wide receivers. That's all all of that is coming up this hour in life and everything else. Big board. Always of I always think holiday hits. Yeah. Yeah. I do too. I always comes to mind that the most of holiday hits wide receivers. Just doesn't sound right. Nuts. Rousting? That's the big holiday hit your that December. But right now think about the NBA all the deadlines tough. What's going to happen in free agency? You hear all the names out there? Who's got what draft picks coming up you start taking? Okay, especially if the warriors start breaking up, but just for the sake of this hot list, we're getting them out of there. No, forget the warriors. Every NBA franchise for the sake of this is at zero championships right now all time nobody's ever one one. And you gotta get the warriors out of the equation. What for no, no, no, no, what franchise Mikey will be the next to win multiple championships. It is. What is your hurry? Mikey. Man. I was slow last week. I'm trying to make up for last week. Okay. Got you out at outsider mic, by the way. As if you didn't know that. All right. So here we go. This was a fun heartless to put together. This was Mike as idea and a brilliant one at that. Brian. All right number three on your list of franchises. Not name. The warriors. That'll be the next to win multiple titles. Go I'm going to go to the Knicks it three Doria. I could've put them higher. I'm not a wait and reserve judgment. And not go too crazy. I have the cap space to pay to max players this summer with the worst record in the league could add the number one pick. But they may not have the number one picks. We don't know if they're gonna get signed Williamson RJ Barrett. We don't know that yet if they do that would hope them that's a quick turnaround. If you can do that, they're one of the teams, obviously, they trade Anthony Davis would he consider resigning with he says he would. So that's a positive could happen. You could take us the first overall pick. If you get it parlay that was something to trade for Davis. You're not gonna lure elite free agents to sign on the dotted line this summer necessarily just cubs. You have the worst record as as far from giving. You'll get the first pictures too many question marks about getting those guys that you may want. But they don't want to go there and the number one picks not guaranteed. So until those things. Fall into place. I'm not gonna put him at one or two. But if they do fall into the place, it'll be great for them in great for Knicks fan. I'll put them at three. Yeah. Man. I like the Knicks. I had him on the list. I told you I had ten teams on the list. I got a third of the league in at least listed there. And yes, if K D And kyri happened you have to look out for them. I didn't put him in my three I put the Lakers at three, and it's because of LeBron and it's ridiculous. If we don't put the Lakers in this conversation, you assume that he will be able to pull big time free agents. I don't know if they're gonna make the deal. I don't know if they're going to beat Boston out for that AD may would prefer the Lakers. I think to Boston at least right now. But it seldom is going to be up to the pelicans, and what they wanna do here. But yes, LeBron will get some guys his way there's still a lot of young talent. I like on that team. I'll go Lakers number three on our hot years. This LeBron plan I house we're talking about that with Mike. Yeah. He's thirty four now splayed forever. He's played always. Extra games and the NBA playoffs. So mean, two more years. So for us to thirty six thirty seven will the guy he's going to be the key guy for the next. I think he could be the key. I for the next four or five years with a little bit of what we call it load management. Like we saw the other little Tom Brady show. Well, I mean if anybody is. Number two who you got. I'm gonna go Boston re-signed kyri obviously land in Davison a trade convinced him to resign. And then you've got potential multiple titles. But they're both big ifs. That's why I put him a two not one their biggest we don't know kyri. We don't know what's going to happen there. And we don't know if they can get Anthony Davis athletes for the Knicks. Yeah. The worst record that doesn't guarantee you the number one pick. That's why I put the Knicks at three. There's nothing guaranteed there. We don't know if they can lower free agent. So question marks there question marks with the Celtics. That's why instead of being at one. The Knicks are at three in the Celtics are too. I agree. I got Boston at two as well. I think a lot of it hinges on keeping kyri though. I really think they need to. I lot of it hinges on keeping cut because without Kyrie. It's a less desirable destination for a D, although automatically he doesn't have the say here. The pelicans. The pelicans have the say now Boston may say look without an assurance from AD that he'll sign beyond next year. We don't want to make the trade and they pull out. I don't know if that ends up happening or do you take the risk and the chance that Toronto has taken with Kawhi that we don't know if that's going to work out yet that Oklahoma City took it Paul George that did work out yet. You just say we're gonna hear to sell you, man. We'll see. But I do have the Celtics. They're they've got a minimum of two first round picks in this draft kyri, especially if eighty goes there. Hayward Tatum tons of young talent. So yes, Boston to again. It's our hot list. What we're doing warriors are not eligible for the hot list. Everybody's zero titles. What franchise will be the next to win two. That's our hot list. You went New York. Three Boston too. I went Lakers three Boston too. I bet we agree on number one. Who is it? They made the trade for Tobias Harris. It's the Sixers ending. Ask the beat Dr Tobias Harris, he talked about a guy who's greatly improved. The last two years in terms of shooting the ball with range shooting with rain fibers first six seasons in the league. Thirty five percent less than thirty five percent from the three point line. Each of the last two years he shot over forty percent from that range, the bias Harrison's, a nice piece. They added talking about Embiid Simmons Butler Radic now Sixers can get harassed Butler and re-sign in the offseason. Then all of a sudden, you have the nucleus capable winning, multiple NBA titles keys. Always always. And we always talk about Dr. It's the thing. It's given key team chemistry. What would be if that clicks in and kicks in with that group of talent that nucleus talent? If all those things happen. The Sixers are the guarantee team to have a chance to win multiple titles over the next few years. No question. I mean, they're I who knows if it'll won't probably I wouldn't think it would come this year. But, but who knows I mean, there are they do they got to I and three seconds. I mean, it's. In this draft alone to I and three seconds to find ways to to find the right pieces to put around the core. You already have no question. We got Philly there. All right. I'm going to rip through the other teams. I had real quick. And then you tell me who else you considered, but Celtics are on the list sixes are on the list. I put Milwaukee only really because it Jaanus. There's a lot of roster question marks. We talked about with Bobby marks around them in this off season. So I didn't give them real serious consideration. I had the Knicks on the in the conversation Lakers. I used thunder PG and Russ won't be there forever. They're very dependent on the draft nuggets. I considered them. I think the great duo to start with when you're looking at Murray and Yokich who is one of my favorite players clippers ton of draft picks desirable city. It's one of the cities that eighty has been mentioned to and would sign an extension to according to his agent again draft picks to work around him or draft picks to trading for pieces around him. I could see. K D And AD in L A next year, potentially with the clippers. So let's see the rockets are they ever gonna defend well enough. So the James harden show, and then Mike, a our producer said, wow. Neither has the Mavericks considered him. Don't trust porzingus health. Love Luca dodge, just I think there's more question marks than certainties around Dallas. Yeah. I had Dallas as one of my possibilities. My fourth team was the clippers and they opened up room for that to max contracts, they're targeting Leonard there in the mix for Davis, Milwaukee is well, but I was right there with Dallas the clippers Milwaukee there's where my next three Lakers. I was down the line on Mike, and I had a little conversation. I consulted with Mikey. And he said Nadal on the Lakers because LeBron's age side them down to fifth, but I think the clippers I would go clippers and Dallas and Milwaukee probably six that would have been my top sexy Lakers at seven just some. So intrigued by how the bucks Bill that roster next year there. Going to look they built a new arena. They've never been better as I know they wanna title in the seventies. Whatever I'm not talking about Paul presi bucks. I'm talking about these books. They've never been in a better situation in the last forty plus years, but they're going to have to spend money and go into the cab. And if they're willing to do that, then look out Milwaukee Boston and Philly and east and going back to the Lakers. Do you think Anthony Davis is a Laker next year? It works. I stayed to you say because because there's some semblance of assurance that he'll sign a long term deal there that would be my front runner. Still would be the Lakers. Yeah. You you put over the next few years because obviously LeBron's still got two to three to four great. I'd say three to four great years last you put LeBron with Anthony Davis. Now, that's a windows closed. That's why I say Dr their their titles would have to come in my opinion over the next two three four years as opposed to down the line when the broad is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tailing off. And it's it's not the same. Lebron? So the Lakers are, you know, I think you put them higher for that reason, you expect them you expect them obviously to get Davis. Think about this. If LeBron in three or four years. Is at eighty percent. Seventy percent of what he is. Now, he's still a top five player in the NBA. Like, he's still a guy who can lead you to championships with pieces around him. That's that's why windows the windows getting the win rate. Here is small it three to four years. Football tonight professional football tonight. What you need to know. I wanna know Mel or you going to watch it. 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Did this surprise you at all Bob stoops takes a job in the XFL with the Dallas franchise now, they XFL doesn't start until next year next spring is when the XFL starts. It looks to be one of two new leagues that starts. Then it's the by far the best known of it. It's the revamped version of the league that played and failed in two thousand one. But Bob stoops not a shock that he's coaching. Again. Let's go back to January fifth man when you and I had Bob on our show. The miss it. Bob. And do you anticipate you're so young the -ticipant coaching again? You know, who knows it wasn't my intention whatsoever. You know, when I stepped out that I would go back. Do I miss it? Oh, yeah. It's you know, it's it's your what you've done your whole life. You know, you miss those the excitement of it just before the game. When you you know, you don't know what the outcome is gonna be. That's the maybe that may be the most exciting part of all of it. And then, you know, you miss the camaraderie, you miss that gang of guys you around every single day. You know, you got a hundred players you've got twenty systems and people around to support staff helping you trying to win, and, you know, and then you go from that to all of a sudden being alone. Most of the time, you know. So it's you know, it's different. So there's a there's a big adjustment. And, but I knew that, you know, I I was aware that was going to be the case, you know. So so we'll see where it goes. But again, it's not what I was looking to do not not, you know, wasn't mind tension whatsoever to coaching in, but the door might be open a little more now anyway than it was a couple. Years ago fair to say that I'm not gonna say that. Because that's what's going to be then printed everywhere. Well, it was it was open, and you and I are soon as we got done with that interview. When we went to break, you me, Mike, Mike everybody in the everybody said he's coaching again. He's coaching soon. Just didn't see this one coming right? No. No, no. What did you think? When you heard Bob stoops to the XFO, I was not shocked because we did think he would coach again, you could tell hearing it. He really missed coaching. The XFL. Evidently, it was Oliver lock who was a an instrumental part of getting him to do this you. It's heard the same thing. Dari that Oliver luck played a part in this. Right. And it was somebody else you were talking about as well. Yeah. I mean, Oliver luck played a part in it. But you know, it's the the XFL like it was eighteen years ago is run by. WWE and Vince McMahon and. If you know WWE, and I don't at all, okay. But I know Jim Ross, and I know Jim Ross because I'll occasionally go back and forth and communicating with Jim Ross who is a longtime announcer for WWE. And every wrestling person knows who is Jim Ross is an Oklahoma. And he's an enormous Oklahoma fan and became very good friends with Bob stoops over a number of years will Jim Ross put Bob stoops in touch with Vince McMahon and spoke very highly events in Bob says, and I read this I think in in an article in the Atlantic and Bob was like I heard the idea nothing. No, no, no, no, no. This isn't it? But you know, what? Like Bob stoops has sons the Plato you at least one of them, Drake. I'm not sure if there's other one does he's very tight with oh, you still part of the athletic department. Norman in Dallas or three hours apart. So and in the fall, he's not coaching. So this is he gets to do the thing in the fall he gets to coach now in the winter. He's always I believe had an inch to just see what it's like coaching outside college. And now he gets it, and it's the right fit. And he's heard great things about working with Vince McMahon. And and it's in Dallas, and it's close. And so why not and I think it's more of just a, hey, let's see what happens type thing and Oliver just say father of Andrew luck. Yeah. Or quarterback West Virginia NFL runs the XFL. So Oliver luck. I think had influenced there obviously with Bob stoops for him with their counting Dari a couple of things local fans gravitating to players from schools Arezzo team run hotshots run by Phil savage. Coach by new Heisel, bringing former Arizona state players like we'll see this differently. Be right. So this this alliance of American football is looking for that. And the big time names of. Coaches even assistance former players, Jim Jeffcoat, others Owen. Look at the Harrison. They got new Heisel Hugh freeze is the offense coordinator. I'll give you ody's the defense. According great defensive coordinator. Charles are buckle. Charles had tried was a tight end coach with Arizona. That's right. Jay, Jennifer, king wide receiver coach with Arizona. Okay. You go to other coaches you see down the line here. Mike single Terry Dennis Thurman as defensive coordinator, you got Steve Spurrier in Orlando Orlando in San Diego. Dennis Erickson, coaching Salt Lake. The Ike Reilly coaching San Antonio. And they're counting on gambling the betting aspect that. That people will bet on these games that there will be gambling. And there will be that interest from the fans to have a reason to watch beyond names that frankly you look through the roster star. There's not a lot of guys I see some young players. I wanna see how they do not long ago. Aac Rwasa was playing at Iowa not long ago, you add your Trevor Knight. Playing and then college football and Murray's the quarterback. Burn. Everybody would see the former second round pick the jets. Can he kind of change some things, you know, in his Liber can he develop into a guy the NFL has some some interest in down the road? Some from an intrigue standpoint, those are some guys the file Trent Richardson was a bust in the NFL. We know that he's played for the Birmingham team Matto teams yet Matt Simms. Arizona Atlanta Birmingham. Memphis, Orlando Salt Lake San Antonio, San Diego. The af alliance of American football starts tonight ten weeks so ten games each for eight teams four games a weekend. You I wanna hear if you're gonna watch it. We're going to get that just a minute. Also, your big board of wide receivers. That's straight ahead. Dorian male ESPN radio ESPN app. Attention everyone. I have a president's day. Protect you need to go to Dell dot com slash business deals right now because Dell's president's day sale is live as we speak, and it's monumental get deals on Dell business computers with Jen. Intel core processors and business tech plus doorbusters up to forty five. Sent off. 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We greatly. That's great. All right. Real quick. You gotta watch this. Eight f. Yes, I am. You are going to watch it tonight. You're gonna walk a couple of these. I don't like to start. I don't like having no kickoffs. But I get kind of a head of what the NFL may do down the road. I hate no PAT's. I don't get that. They're forcing everybody to go for two. It takes the two out the intrigue of the two because the decision to go for to make that a focal point when you eliminate the the and you say you gotta go for two. It's just another play. I I don't get that what the team a lot of missed this year in the NFL MU couple years move it back the way the NFL did and it's not on automatic. And it it makes them straight bring strategy to the game. I don't like that. But I think the said hackenberg or some of these other guys hackenberg with Memphis, and we wanna see we're a couple of good friends of ours. Bill polian. Good friend of mine runs the league. Phil savage. Good friend of mine runs. The Arizona team. The. The hotshots there. The favourite Dari in Vegas. The arizona. Hotshot led by our good friends. Bill savage and Rick new highs. Another good friend of mine are the favorites in Vegas to win the alliance of American football championship love it. I love it. All right. So you're in. I don't know if I'm going to be in that. So you have to go for two. Does it hound us to or does it count as one like cinching too? Yeah. So, you know, that's one of those things is you know, what that reminds me of like watching like six and seven and eight year old football. You know, the scores are like eight six or or, you know, fifteen. Eliminate that. I mean, it's not easy to make a PAT. It's not automatic. That's football. It's what we're at the. I don't like taking what we ROY is traditional football out of it. I get the kick off. I get that the injury. And they're kind of go head. They're trying to be a head of the curve there. But I don't know why you don't leave the PAT in and make it a decision then when you go for to you focus on you gave up the one. Now, you're going for two it's a strategic thing where you can second guess a decision. Okay. Now, you're saying automatically beans. It's just another play. That's all it is just another play it really defeats the purpose. I think that was a bad decision. All right. All right. I do like the no kick us. I do. I think I think the NFL will be there. And if you start out on the twenty five yard on the twenty five. Yeah. Timeouts. I think I love it. They say less fewer timeouts. Fewer timeouts fewer time away from the action. The uniforms the helmets the cau- love that stuff. Hey, look and how they go. And we'll see if you watch a week like the XFL was great ratings for the first week. And then nothing so is it one in done is at five minutes in the sun one week in the sun. Can they sustain it through the draft season with with the March madness and spring training and the draft and baseball and everything else is going spring practice in college football? Can they sustain throughout the season a higher or decent rating? I should say Dorian mill ESPN radio ESPN app. I'll check it out tonight. I'm going to have basketball on I love the thunder game on. And I. SEC basketball for the SEC. Now, we'll probably throw the alliance one of the games up on one of the TV. We'll just see what did you see? I don't care. I want to see if people are there people go if the local markets even care, and then really the thing will be like do they go on the second home game? You know, like you go check it out the first time, then is it worth your time and money to come back. We'll find out we'll find out together Wednesday was national signing day. I am like I cover it. We did stuff all day on the SEC network. I used to do it all day on ESPN you I'm not a recruiting guy. I do not follow it over the course of the year. I will worry about these guys. Once they start making an impact on the football field. The idea of decommit of decommissioning like I don't I just don't like it. I don't care for. It. Doesn't doesn't do a thing for me? I'll fake it on the air. I don't mind saying I don't understand why this is like the giraffe for college. I know man, these guys rabid immediate impacts you wrestle it's football. I don't know how you know. Most of my buddies grown up in Oklahoma, most of them love it. I get it. Like, I know it's popular. Pop huge impact. I just don't care about it that much. That's completely baffling. Why just like, okay? Let's let's see. I I am curious two or three years from now. How many of the names I spent my entire Wednesday saying, right? Will I be saying a lot of them? And that'd be great. That'd be great. I'll tell you. What was a couple alarming thing. I don't know if you that this had happened. Are there was a law? Roaming, for me is the Pac twelve there are against gotta be argon got beat to the Pac twelve with Clemson is to the xactly. Right. They got Darrien Dr because argon had to six best class. According to the PIN rankings, right? Yeah. They were ranked pretty high in terms of that everybody else Dan ally, yet USC twenty Stanford at twenty one Arizona state Herm Edwards. Great job gun into twenty-six. Herm got two quarterbacks got Jaden Daniels who was the best dole threat going on the better dole threat quarterbacks forty fourth best player Joe Yellen. When the better pocket passers sixty third quarter kennison win Florida state's wake. That's a joke going on over there. The Florida state was another warm. I think they had like the nineteenth best glass, but the the the number one recruit, a Florida state warrant a state. The Seminoles was the ninety third best player on ESPN three hundred Clemson wins the national title their best player was ranked thirty fourth and they had the ninth tenth best. Couple other things star. If you're the SEC's dominance, a dominate first round moxie dominate the top twenty five big board, and they dominate recruiting again tw-. I went to the top fifty players twenty eight from the SEC and six big twelve three pack twelve three ACC you add up the other four conferences, right? You get to sixteen nineteen you get to twenty two at twenty eight. So the other four combined. Do you got twenty eight and you're one conference or the of the four of the five star recruits got nine of the fourteen top ten players got seven to ten. They completely destroyed. The SEC. Every other conference thirteen of their fourteen teams. Vandy X is out thirteen SEC teams finished in the top thirty five of the national rankings by team. According to ESPN, remarkable Ridikot Florida, by the way, Tom Luga Bill, a national director of recruiting big on what Dan Mullen was able to do with his second. But really his first full recruiting class for the Gators Florida proved something that even though the recruiting process is very celebrated right now, it's still a marathon not a sprint. I remember Florida fans reaching out to me in the fall all concern because they didn't have enough four guys in the work and high profile guys you hire Dan Mullen, who you could make the argument has been the best evaluator and developer of talent. Maybe in the last ten years of college football Mississippi State, 'cause you're not getting the ready made guy. That's true. You're having to project you're having to look for and then you gotta develop them. And I'm and I tell Florida fans put your faith in the guy that you just hired because of that. If he's identifying something I think, he's. Got enough equity in stock that he might know what he's talking about. And then boom, they have killer first signing period, they end up getting too big time players one's a corner at a huge need position in Cairo helium, and they get him today. So they really close to that area areas from Freddie and Fitz. Simons Florida had a remarkable day Florida state, by the way, train wreck city. I don't know how they're at nineteen. They must have had really highly rated guys at other positions because this is the second recruiting class on a row. There's no quarterback they booted the Andre Francois from the team. I don't know who Blackman I guess, I don't know who's gonna play quarterback for them. They have zero zero depth. It seems chaotic in Tallahassee right now the quarterback that was supposed to go there. Mel is from right around where I am sun Valley High School in Monroe North Carolina slash Indian trail, right where we to live right outside just east to Charlotte. Sam Howell is his name. And he was a late commitment from Florida state longtime come it late. D commitment from Florida state before the early signing period. And you know, he signed with Mack Brown at UNC. So he stayed in state. He's going to couple of hours away to go play at you and see for MAC like it is just brutal. What's going on right now in Tallahassee and real quick? From TM ranking standpoint, Tennessee up at eleven great job hair. Jeremy Pruitt stunning really remarkable job. Ohio state. You knew it'd be a little tough as relationship building that needs to be done. And they didn't have that in Bryant day taking over Ohio State at sixteen the Brassica Scott frost, you gotta be happy as a corn husker fan there at eighteen for team that struggled to get to with four wins the at eighteen and Arkansas in the top twenty five at twenty three Purdue and at twenty five and her med words at Arizona state in at twenty six there was some those Bronco men than all these BYU goes to Virginia. They're at forty Virginia's at forty BYU's at seventy less miles at Kansas, sixty seven even though you're the bottom of the conference, sixty seven's not bad others. You know, I awoke occurrence develops players. Like, no other that I would programs always been developing players over the years. Are at thirty six Kentucky at thirty five Baylor at thirty four. So and UCLA surprise me. There are UCLA. Yeah. That's a problem. Fifty to one one head over UCLA, Illinois UCLA got some work to do. Here's one more piece of that real quick when you look at the national rankings, and I'm very very closely watching three four five three four and five are three programs from two different leagues that live in one state that live on kids from one state am three Oklahoma four Texas five those battles for the kids from Texas are just absolute fire right now. Like that. I mean, those three coaches and JIMBO and Lincoln Riley, Tom Herman are are sitting these living rooms of the top kids from Texas, and there are so many it is an incredible three team battle right now with all due respect to Texas Tech or TCU or Baylor or Houston or Oklahoma state or any of those other schools that will that need and have to live in the state of Texas for kids. Am oh, you and Texas are owning owning that state right now and. To sit at three or four and five when it was all said and done. It's just that's just that's what it's going to look like for the next several years. Yeah. If you're wrote Ryan day, if you're Ryan day, and you know, you're sixteen and Haskins has gone tell transferred its Justin feels Justin field to his right there. But Trevor Lawrence last year's the top guy coming out moves on. He's got to be the difference maker Michigan's at eight you're at sixteen. It's time for Michigan to start getting it done as well. And take advantage of the situation. Erin where Ohio State stand a little bit. But if Justin field to spectacular they can overcome this class being not as good as passed classes with urban Meyer, and he is eligible immediately. The NC double has ruled and rightfully so straight ahead mel's big board of wide receivers Dorian male ESPN radio ESPN app. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting I've teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. 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They'll say, okay. Who who? Dislike I love playoff. Okay. Good. That's still ally. But that's good. Not okay. Fine. Good. The three on three is ridiculously fun. I'm just going to say that you get breakaways one on one. It's all over the place trying enough fine. Let's go big. Yes. No typing. He is the most fascinating intriguing player in the history of the NFL draft. He's got the answers who you should take who you shouldn't take strappy Mel kiper junior. Latest Mel kiper junior NFL draft board. Big board of wide receiver when he goes five to one dollars go. Well, I would say that. But then you usually start like thirty five to one and you list off more than. No, no, no. No. No. No, no. Let's go five to one really knew. Why break tradition? I got a couple of five eight five if you're feeling free. You always do. That's why it's easier to start at five. All right, if repealing frisky and you want to start at one that your calls that we'll go five five eight five be I'll go first Harry McLaren wide receiver Ohio State, five eight depot, Samuel wide receiver, South Carolina. It's it's real wide receivers. I'll stop saying wide receiver and it but not her father. Paris Campbell, Ohio State, so to buckeyes McLaren who has fast explosive at the great senior bowl Paris Campbell. Who was steady showed great improvement. I thought over the last two seasons. I those two kind of I for that fifth spot along with deebo who had a great senior bowl week, you know, deebo Samuel very, well, Dr of deebo. Yeah. So those are the three guys in contention for the fifth spot to buckeyes and a game. Cock, but ultimately Peres Campbell got your fist fund. Yes. He hears. There's no little letter next to his name. Okay. Right. How about your number four receiver on the big board? Well, we said Herm Edwards friend Herm Edwards got two quarterbacks, but they won't have Nikial Harry to throw to and he'll Harry an inviting target six four change. He's not a guy. I think we're going to be at the combine. Sorry, I don't know about a straight line speed. It'll be interesting to see, but he's more of an all schon Jeffery alshon, Jeffery tight that big body guy that power forward type who's going to be in a lot of contested situations. Like Jeffrey he made big plays down the fee. Field. He's adept at securing the grab in very tight coverage as I said, so all those things played if he runs a little better than expected in terms of forty he could sneak into the late first round, but I'll say for Campbell Samuel McLaren. They're all seconds. I'll say to kill Harry late first early second. All right. So we're clearly into the first round at this point as we move forward number three wide receiver de que Metcalf. Ohio's ole miss, and they'll get all the buckeyes. We've got a couple rebels from old missing here, but we'll start with decay Metcalf. Mcshea got him going to the Baltimore Ravens? And the first round. I believed that is at pick number twenty two I had AJ Brown going there. So he believed agreed to old miss players K Metcalf. Yeah. You think about the bloodlines with his father you think about being six four to thirty six three six four to thirty matchup problem coming off the injuries average over twenty one yards. Catch a he's a guy who gives you that big playability. I didn't see him always dominate and take over and then they had other options and Todd. Reference the Alabama game as one it really got his attention. Yeah. Yeah. I think if he tests well, if he's a guy that people looked at it and say, hey, we can roll the dice on this third year sophomore that he's got big time potential once he puts it all together. He could go certainly in that mid to late first round area de que Metcalf. Number three ole miss how about number two number twos. And other ole miss I reference the two buckeyes to rebels AJ Brown. AJ Brown has the hands. He's got that Jarvis Landry type size. He's more of a slot guy run after the catch ability. You gotta like a little more attention to detail. I think you look at him becoming like say that guy similar Landry with a second round pick at LSU the same. Your Odell Beckham went top fifteen in the first round. I think AJ Brown is in the first round mix. I don't think Todd had him in the first I did. So I think we're all safe. But I think mid to late first round the pending all workouts for both medcalf and AJ Brown. All right number one receiver on the big board today. NFL? You don't have to be six three to thirty. You not to be six foot two five you can be five nine and change about a one sixty five to one seventy as its marquees Hollywood Brown out of Oklahoma heat the fines of big play guy. I mean, so many plays down the field for Mayfield and Murray can take a short pass and turned into a sixty yard touchdown. I think you're going to look at a guy who's going to be the first receiver off the board. I think he goes somewhere Dari between fifteen and twenty five maybe top twelve if he tests off the charts. I'll go marquees Hollywood Brown Oklahoma cut number one wide receiver in love at that speed. All they missed that speed and the Orange Bowl against Alabama. All right, Mark. He's Brown AJ Brown or relation de came Metcalf. Nikiel Harry Peres Campbell. Honorable mention number five five d MO Samuel five. Be Terry MacLaurin your wide receiver big board. Perhaps somebody will have a question about that more something else. Drafter late it. I know. This the is gonna start ringing off the hook. Because I'm gonna tell you you need to call for ask Mel next eight eight eight say ESPN your questions for him CSPAN radio suck -nology truth. Brought to you by. Truth. 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BGN Radio #60: Special Guest Mike Garafolo

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BGN Radio #60: Special Guest Mike Garafolo

"Borderlands is back shoot and loot your way through mayhem field adventure. And borderlands three blasts through new worlds and enemies as one of the four new playable volt owners each with deep skill trees abilities and customization play solo or with your friends to take on insane enemies score loads of loot and save the galaxy from fanatical threat. Mayhem is coming September. Thirteenth on PC Xbox One and PS four preorder now to receive the gold weapon skins pack at borderlands dot com. You're listening to BGN radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles on test with John Stolnis in randomly gal Hello bleeding? Green nation and welcome back to another edition of BGN radio. This is episode number sixty. I'm John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis. We got a special episode of the podcast today. Brennan league outon g of course, is on vacation enjoying the dead period here during the eagles season but we have a special guest joining the podcast this week. So without any further ado, why don't we get you to that interview right now? And joining me is Mike garafolo. Fantastic reporter for the NFL network. If you listen to this podcast, you probably already follow Mike on Twitter. But if you don't it's at Mike garafolo Mike. Thanks so much for coming on BGN radio man. How you doing? You got a reunion of sorts for us. We go way back now. The folks we do go way back. Mike. And I were both producers at WIP back in the late nineties early two thousand. Thousands, and I think you are you're one of the guys always did like the onsite production. And I was the guy stuck in the studio. You know, we're you stringing for the for the AP at that time is that what you were doing. Also in addition radio stuff, not yet didn't start that feel about two thousand two. I did everything I was doing eagles. I was doing Phillies. I was doing college flyers. Little Sixers a lot of Sixers accent. So that was way back in the days of Alan Iverson. Yeah, yeah. The step over. Yeah. Yeah. And it was early part of mcnabb's to rear, which was always a great learning experience, because I saw how the rest of how he treated the rest of the media the rest of the me. I mean he he came in, and you know, we all we all know how it started for him with the booze on draft day. He kinda and I, I saw, you know, there's different side of Donovan. And I thought you know that guys you don't gotta play full engaging sizing. But he just never shows the media. And sure enough years later, we're working together at Fox Sports one when that network launched and, you know, got to spend some time and have some fun with him and, and get to know. Him. Well, and see that there is that side of him. So it's the trip of the media world is sometimes an interesting. Yes. Sounds like I know it's the perception of big Navid. Philadelphia's something very different. That's a shame that it started off that way because I mean, it didn't have to it just, it's a it's unfair. It's just seemed to color his entire time in Philadelphia and fans still have a hard time with him. And obviously, I you know, I, I do respect Donovan, and this is that he doesn't go out of his way to ingratiate himself with anybody tells you what he thinks, and if you don't like it, you know, tell you, it'll tell you. It's how thanks so. I, I do respect that with him. Yeah. Let's talk some eagles here in two thousand nineteen here, Mike. And obviously we're feeling good about where the team is at heading into training camp. Looks like we've got a pretty talented team on our hands here. And a lot of people are wondering whether or not this team's more talented than the one that won the Super Bowl in two thousand seventeen before the season. That year Peterson said he thought it was more talented than the Green Bay team. He was on that one at all. When you look at these two rosters do you think the nineteen team is more talented than two thousand seventeen? That's a tough call. They more talented. I mean, there's just he's I think I think that they are from the because I think the quarterbacks didn't even better. I really do. And I know it's a high bar. I mean that's my radio a couple of weeks ago and Philly and Anthony Gargano another one of our former co workers. And the question that they asked me, was, what's the real Wentz, is it the twenty seventeen winter? The twenty eighteen win with, with the implication, being that the twenty eighteen Wentz, you know, took a step backward. But when you hit the number here for for, for a down year, quote, I've got the air quotes up. Yeah, pretty good for a down year, but we know what it is. It's the it's the eye test. And he was just he every time I talked to him about what was happening in twenty seventeen and where he wants to get he's talking about that. That flow that just the way it was flowing. It was just this natural wasn't over thinking things. It was just it's happening for them. And I think that what I'm saying in the spring. A little bit more of that now. So you think you'd think with the added experience on, on his part and maybe playing a little smarter. I mean that's going to be a huge part of it the that you can have him actually be elevated from where he was in twenty seventeen because that's the other thing the rest of the league since then offensively, I mean, it's some of the numbers and the completion percentage is that we're seeing in large part because of the rules and the emphasis that trying to help the, the offense and some of the steams, it's like last year. Yeah, those numbers were great. But everybody's numbers were great match why we were sitting there saying, okay, he wasn't where he was even if some of the numbers, were bet. So I just I think you could see the best that you've ever seen from him better than twenty seventeen and in the NFL when it starts that way start at the quarterback position like that, that, that, that the better team. Well, I think that kind of answers, one of the other questions I was going to ask you is about the extension. I mean, there's a lot of people who thought the eagles should've waited take a wait and see approach to see how he's going to play. This year. Whether he's going to get hurt we we know he's he's missed the end of the last two seasons with injuries. And he's got the fifth year rookie deal that they could have waited another year before doing a contract extension. But there are negatives to waiting as well. So when you look at the deal as it was as it's finished up. Do you feel like one side made out better than the other? No. And I listen I, I like Joe banner on Twitter. I like what he does. I'm not I don't wanna sit here knock Joe or, or, you know, Andrew Branson, other guy that I respect you Cory Cory tended to have the more, you know, hey, I was in that world as an agent I had to talk to the players about the concerns on both sides, and he seems to have a little bit more of an understanding of sometimes you've got to do a deal whereas some, some other guys will sit there and, and trying to send them the vacuum and say, oh, boy, how could how could went is people do this, you'll wrote down and take it number. That's going to be well, because of a number of reasons not the least of which is that he ended his season injured the last two years. And to. Get now one hundred million dollars, plus guaranteed when you know what Carson Wentz wants to get out of life, not just football out of life and the things that he would love to do with his money and for other people and be more than just they football player. Okay. So now if I can tell that guy, we're going to guarantee you on top of what you've already made, which is already good money. Here's another hundred million dollars. It's gonna be injury guaranteed. Because you know, everybody says all the injury guarantee. No real guaranteed, not fully guaranteed. Yeah. It's not until it is, you're out Smith. Yeah. You need it, and all of a sudden, you're getting what you, you hope you didn't get when you sign the contract, which is the protection against they devastating injury. So, you know, I understand these things. And I understand that the team is sitting there saying, look, we're gonna make a, a little bit of a, a play here a little bit of a gamble. A little bit of a we're gonna we're gonna potentially be on the hook for a lot of money if something should happen to him physically. But if we're right. If we hit on this boy, we're set up now. Because we got ahead of this one, which the eagles since the days of Joe banner have beloved to do see that's what he's looking at it saying, these guys are following in my philosophy. And I know I was smarter than everybody before everybody figured out what you need to do to manage the salary cap. So here's this team doing it now following in the footsteps that, that, that I had, when I was running the team I, so I get where he's coming from. But I I just one side or the other make out. No. And I don't want to sit here in a couple of years. If Carson Wentz is the MVP of the league, and they win another Super Bowl and they're successful year in year out and say, boy he made a mistake. No, he didn't. 'cause he's getting it. Another bite at the apple. And he did what was right for him right now. Absolutely. I think that's exactly where a lot of us who we do the podcasting, you know would would come down come down on it as well. But, you know, I guess this kind of also moves into the Dak Prescott conversation, and obviously, because it's the Cowboys eagles fans are looking at that situation, really closely and his agent wants to obviously, get more. Than what Carson Wentz got. We're talking thirty three thirty four million dollars, something like that. Which sounds like an insane amount of money, but you also have to wonder you know, if the Cowboys don't give back what he wants what's the alternative? What do they do, if they don't give back Prescott that money, where's your reporting? What are you what are you hearing about where the Cowboys are with Dak Prescott and an extension with him? Listen, they may love back. They do. And I'm going to sit here and say boy. Well he's not Jared Goff for Carson Wentz. You know, one of these other guys who put it this way when, when you when you play the Cowboys and you talk to defensive coaches, they want the game on decks shoulders. They may want to stop the running game. And they wanna make him throw from third logs. Okay. So, you know, if we're going to sit there from the outset and assess it and say, this guy isn't as good of a quarterback, or the kind of quarterback that you want to pay the same amount of money as Weber, right? Pan guy. The Cowboys are going to be in a different situation because they've got it back there guy. And they've got a profess how confident they are, and they probably feel a little bit better about him than other people do look in from the outside because that's the way it tends to be in this league when you are starving for quarterback. Like a lot of teams. Are you get yourself one that while he may not fit the prototype? You can get you in position to win some football game. So. So be alternative to that is to basically go down the road of, we're eventually going to have another quarterback. I mean there's just they're they're in a tough spot. They're going to pay him way, more money than people think he's worth. It's going to be opposite from the Wednesday. Oh, they're going to say. Boy, look at Dak Prescott made out on the Dallas Cowboys but it's, it's just there's no you can't put one toe in when it comes to the quarterback. And especially if the guy who's a homegrown, and he's coming up on the last year of his deal and you're going to have to play the franchise tag game. If you wanna go that route, what you don't want to do, so I'm sure they'd like to pay him in the high twenties. But I also know who is agent is it's time France, who represented Aaron Donald and a number of other guys who is not afraid to make himself the bad guy and to maximize his leverage as much as possible. So all this talk of, like, oh, it was gonna get down. I I've been saying it was not going to get done in the spring. I think we're talking into training camp if not close. To the start of the season, and look the leverage that the Cowboys have is they can sit there and say, well that doesn't wanna play for two million or whatever the number is this year he wants to play for. He wants to pick up fifty million sixty million whatever the check is gonna wind up being for this upcoming season. So at least they've got a little bit of leverage on the on their end as they get closer to the start of the season to think you gets done. I would, I would think that both sides be smart enough to realize it used to get done. But it's a tough spot for Dallas. I think, well, let's look at where the eagles are in the NFC, because our when we opened up this interview we talked about whether or not this more talented, team, the two thousand seventeen but that doesn't really matter what matters is where they are talent wise compared to the rest of the team in their own cutting teams in their own conference. And of course you need some lucky. I need a favorable schedule. There's lots that go into it injuries and all that. But if you're looking at the roster's right now, if you're looking at the teams and the talent assembled in the NFC how many teams which teams do you think are ahead of the eagles if any other? Here you go. See a couple of teams come back a little bit. Here. I mean, I'm looking for the Rams stick to kind of come back, at least situation of steps, I think, in a lot of places that people aren't seeing right now. I could see the Rams coming back. There is a little bit. I could see Chicago Bears winding back a little bit. And some people making Trubisky. Do some things and seeing what he is talking to one of my colleagues out of our NFL media summit the last couple of days. I said, boy, you know what would it be interesting? If the narrative a year from now is can we believe that Mitch Trubisky is the guy because it's amazing how fast anymore? And maybe it's because of the rules and everybody's offense gets meeting. How fast we are to say, oh, that guys here. He's arrived. He's their guy. They've got their quarter Sam darnold. I mean Sam darnold showed you a little bit late last year. I can't believe the number of people are talking like, oh, he's arrive. No, I gotta see I still have to see more. I'm not saying he's not going to. But you, you gotta give me more than once they surround him with talent. Okay. Let's see now because now how much are you gonna put on his shoulders? How much of defense is gonna realize, so I think I think Trubisky could wind up being a guy that, that we have some questions about going forward. So you know I let's start with the division. I could see Dallas settling back a little bit. I don't believe in what Washington is doing in large part because they may wind up starting Haskins. And he is not ready to play. So you've got eagles giants at this point. And I don't believe in that team. So I think you're, I think you're sitting you feel really good about your chances of winning NFC east again. So we'll start like that air elsewhere. You've got the questions that I talked about. I don't know what you're gonna wind up getting from the Green Bay Packers with Mettler four is the new coach Minnesota still got a ton of talent. You know they're going to compete. I think those guys could potentially finally capitalize on what we thought they were going to do the last couple of years. And I'd watch out for Atlanta, Atlanta could come back and give you a little bit out of the NFC. South, and here's the t-. Okay. Yeah, here's the team that I'm sitting there and saying it's going to come back this year and be in the mix Carolina Panthers team. Now. Listen, I say that not knowing what the heck's going all candidate shoulder. But you would think you would think it's going to get good enough after the surgery and after the confidence that you're hearing is he starts the fro-? I don't think you're ever going to see the guy who it didn't matter where his speak, where mechanics were horrible. He's throwing the lasers the year that he took them the Super Bowl that guy's probably gone. But you could see guy that gets back and get healthy the ball's not dying and all of a sudden now with Christian McCaffrey and their running game and their defense and their coaching staff. I got the team that really could jump up and be competitive with you. I totally agree with you on your Rams take, I tweeted something out a couple of days ago, and I mentioned you're on the podcast. I you look at the history of Super Bowl losing teams that are not the patriots. And they, they struggle the next year. Sometimes they make the playoffs, but they they're kind of one and done. But the girly situation in the Super Bowl loser hangover, the history of all that I agree. I think it's. Yeah. I don't think I don't think they make the playoffs. And if you take out the patriots in the year's day off the Super Bowl, I it goes, if you more, right? Yeah. You look at some of the other teams that that we're not able to win a super much tough thing to do. And especially the way it was so humbling. You know, the way that way they lie flying off and, and Sean mccan McVeigh, who is incredibly smart coach. We all know that, but certainly didn't look at that day. And I know he's taking himself for how he approached that game. And some of the things he was saying going in about how you don't want to do too much and try and outsmart yourself and chase ghosts. You know, whereas you start to think of what the patriots could do so you try and get an answer for everything. And the next thing you know, you've got too much. I learned a lot of lessons from that, that he one day, we'll have to use as he returns to the Super Bowl. At some point. I just don't think it's going to be this upcoming season. And then the girls situation, you know, the way that you've got a, a running back who. And we were out at the NFL media summit, and we had this whole presentation on, on the and the Rams, new stadium the new Hollywood park stadium and kicking myself, we sure God drill to see the stadium. I mean, you know, if you've got a guy who's got an arthritic knee, and you gotta do you did last year as far as managing him and the numbers in the contract aren't going down. And he's got a lot of money going forward. At what point are they going to have to make some tough decisions on Todd Gurley? The good question where does take a quick break here, Mike. When we come back more with Mike garafolo here on radio. Hi, this is Jim in. This is backs check out our podcast, the step over Willoughby Belarus podcast network for all of your Sixers needs layer analysis game breakdowns with a cool Senate headband and more subscribed liberty Bowers podcast feed, an I tune Stitcher Spotify or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. And we're back with Mike garafolo from the NFL network here on radio couple more questions and then we'll let you go, Mike. So, Malcolm Jenkins was back at mini camp. There was some talk that he would not come back to many minicamp without a new deal somewhere, guaranteed money. Something like that. What are you hearing about where things stand with Malcolm in the team where everybody that I spoke to was like he was never getting anything. They were never going to give them anything and they're confident that it's not going to get the Eitel. I'm not there. I still think that there's a especially with this team, especially with how he rose the knowing that, you know, if, if you show up like Jason Peters has done in the past eventually, you get something done. So I could see something early in training camp. Is it going to be with Malcolm has mind? No, I don't believe that. But I do believe that there is some kind of compromise as far as guaranteeing the money, moving money up from future years, which we've seen teams doing the situation so they can basically claim. Well, we didn't have any money to the contract. We just moved it up. I just eagles have done it. For way too many players guys that have been integral pieces of what they have done the last couple of years guys that have done things the right way. I just Clinton imagine that they are Maron can't sit there and say, hi Malcolm, we can do X keys gonna be he ended age, and they're going to have to be reasonable with what they what they expect what they want, and what they will take as a as a token of appreciation for what he's done the last couple of years. So I still think you could see something get done maybe early. Can't middle of camp. Sometime before the starting to seize. We saw the eagles win Joe Douglas left. They're able to keep most of the guys that they had in the front office. A lot of their their scouts that a lot of people thought we're going to go with Joe Douglas to the jets are staying in Philadelphia. They got promotions. And you know how he Roseman finally gives himself the GM title that everybody knew he already was essentially doing that job. But with Joe Douglas leaving the eagles and moving on to New York. How big a loss is that for the eagles? It's the big one. And that's not to say that Joe is gonna go with the jets, and like the world on fire because not, not knocking. And I'm just saying it's different job. Okay. 'cause now you're now, you're now you're the time that you had to scout and to watch tape, shrinks and out the different job. Now, you've got to trust more people around you, which is, by the way, tough to do and, and a lot of times they're not your guys yet. But Joe's done a pretty good job, Phil savage, coming in Rex HOGAN, some of these other guys his front office will will will take shape over the next couple of years. But I think he feels comfortable with some of the guys run it. But that was that was a strength being able to figure out how the pieces work together, not just from a talent standpoint. I thought the eagles did really good job of understanding chemistry and on field chemistry locker room chemistry, the last couple of years Douglas's, a big part of that. I mean he's he grew up in a place where in Baltimore where they understood culture, and the understood fit in and all these things. So I think they did a great job of man. Matching that the last couple of years, so you could sit there and say, why Andy why del who's jumping up into basically Joe spot and taking it easy easy. Young promising guy that can spot talent all these things. Okay, great. But now, his opinions going to be the, the one that matters most and the one that sways how he Roseman who who trust his guys. Can they make sure that everything fits the right way? It's not just a matter of spotting talent. It's it's a big spot. So it's a loss. There's no question about that. We sell see how how something's other guys pick up the pieces and do the job last thing for you here Mike before I let you go. The Panthers made news here on Thursday. They hired their first director of football analytics, a twenty seven year old guy from MIT footballs. Been kind of a little bit slower than say, like baseball and basketball to kind of move into the world of analytics, but the eagles have kind of been on the forefront of this for a while. And I'm wondering if you think that teams are going to try and start poaching some of the eagles lyrics guys as they go about filling in this particular area, their teams. Yeah. I mean listen to more dog talks about. They're, they're forced down percentages, and these other things. In these other pieces of information that have allowed them to be more aggressive. I mean some of us would sit at home and say it went out the numbers. Hey, you gotta go for this right here while the eagles, once they see the numbers of the paper, it allows them to be aggressive and allow them to make those decisions. I mean, that's the biggest part of analytic for the NFL. And 'cause when you say that they're slower than some other leagues. It's so much easier to assess the situation numerically when it's a guy standing alone at the plate by himself, and not relying on somebody else to do their job that, by the way, nobody except the coaches and the players involved know what the heck the assignments aren't who's really screwing up. And sometimes those guys, don't even agree on who screwing up because it's, it's just, you know, I it's eleven guys trying to work together. And sometimes the way it looks to coach from aside, isn't how the player experienced it. So I think I think you're gonna see a little bit more of the the the the analytics. Part being the stuff that Doug Peterson has talked about situationally that's where teams are going to do a little bit more of that. And try and copy with the eagles, down two point conversion you know, he's aggressive or in, in some people's cases, kind of dumbed. And then once you sit down you hear the explanation for it, you go. Well, that makes sense. It makes complete sense and, and, and yeah, if you miss it now, you gotta go again, the next time you score a touchdown to make sure that you just tie the game instead of just kicking extra points of the game or whatever. Right. When you listen to it, you go makes complete sense, I know if it makes sense to me as an observer other teams are saying, well, hey, we should be doing that. Absolutely. And yeah. I mean jeez. The eagles won a Super Bowl doing a lot of this stuff so makes sense. The teams would follow what the eagles are doing, and we should all Girt, our loins for the equal staff getting coached here at some point. Listen, if you don't follow Mike on Twitter. Do it at Mike garafolo fantastic reporter for the NFL network and Mike. You podcast as well. Don't you? Oh, yeah. Rep sheeting trends, Ian Rapoport. Gets his name on it. I'm just one of the friends. We're on hiatus right now. 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RTCD #170:  Week 13 College Football Preview

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

34:42 min | 3 years ago

RTCD #170: Week 13 College Football Preview

"Four cell phone code one strike and listen to Russ stuck in Philadelphia Eagles film junkie. Fran. Duffy breakdown the top college prospects on another tasty edition of the college draft. Yes. Daddy, soda time. And it is the college draft podcast. And this is insane. Because we are going into week thirteen the twelve game for almost every team. Not all but almost every team and it's rivalry weekend. It's really the end of the season for the most part next week. We'll have conference championship games. Army navy then we will get into both. I'm trying to get sad to be honest with you because we know how many months we have of no football hard to believe here. We are at week thirteen when I say we I mean Fran Duffy at FTSE three does such a terrific job as the film. Delfi eagles video scouting guru. Really enjoy hearing his thoughts on the best college players each and every week what he saw from the week that was who we need to watch out for in the week. That will be I'm Ross Tucker at Rostock Renna fell former NFL ofensive Lyman, you can of course, always check me out on Twitter and Instagram at Ross, Tucker NFL or on Facebook Facebook dot com slash Ross. Tucker and fell France. Let's get into it. Let's start with just some of your quick reactions to last week's games. What did you watch and what stood out here? Yeah. You know, it was kind of build as a boring weak of house football. But you and I both know Ross there's no such thing as a boring weak of college football. So there were a couple of games that I was kinda tuned into you. Gotta love what Washington state and Mike Leach have done this year. In Gardner Minhsiu the quarterback. There has got to be one of the best stories in college football. He set a school record was seven touchdowns on Saturday night. If they went on Friday night against Washington and the apple Cup. We'll move onto the Pac twelve title against Utah. I'm not sure that anybody would have predicted that championship game back in the preseason. You look in the big twelve. Yeah. Texas got a big win against Iowa State twenty four ten I've got questions about Sam etlinger as far as being a pro prospect. I haven't studied him yet. But that's just the sense watching him on TV. But those receivers for the longhorns really appear to be pretty impressive Colin Johnson's a big body kid looks pretty savvy as a rat run or watching on TV and then little Jordan Humphry. You know, he's he brings them some juice as well on the outside. And then, you know, I'm always a big fan of of upsets in college football. I got admit I was kind of pulling for Maryland there in the noon games on Saturday afternoon. I turned that game on in the fourth quarter. And after Ohio State had to fight tooth and nail. So that touchdown to open overtime Maryland comes back like score on the first play. And I got to say, I know it's easy to say this point, you know, to Heinz. Being twenty twenty but I would have kicked their forced Ohio State at try and score. Again. I don't know how you saw about it. But they end up failing on the two point conversion the play call. There was great the receiver was wide open the back of quarterback just missed him and the types fall. But with how easy the turps made. It seem overtime like I almost say like, let's make a high stake. Do it again just kind of up the stress level and there's on there. And but it was a good day college football. Yemen. I had a chance to see Miami play Virginia Tech in person. And that was watching a lot of that Ohio State Maryland game on TV before my game. And first of all it was great to be at lane stadium down in Blacksburg incredible environment when the hokies enter the field, they say, it's even more intense for a night game. But just the whole crowd jumping up and down really really something truly cool and unique, and I can see why people love being a part of it. But during the actual game, man. It was the Miami defense that stole the show. We'll say this. There's a kid I want you to keep an eye on redshirt sophomore wide receiver. I probably mentioned this after the Florida state game for Virginia. Tech name Damon Hazelton that he'll be a name to watch going into next year. But was to me from this game friend. I mean, Miami has pros everywhere. On defense everywhere. I mean, it was you know, Joe Jackson at one end. He's a junior Jonathan Garvan who they tell me they think he'll be a first round pick the sophomore D end on the other side, Gerald Willis number nine, obviously having an unbelievable year as defensive tackle the linebacker trio is very good. Was thoroughly impressed by shack quarter min his range and interception almost took back to the house. But I think what's out to me almost more than any of that friend was actually Miami's DB's. I mean, really, you know, they're very hyped up. Jakulan johnson. Michael Jackson, two of the fourteen semi finalists for the Thorpe. Award. Jackson has not had as good of a senior year as he did last year. But he's still has impressive size made a number of really nice plays in the ball to Kwan Johnson was everywhere and Frank. Between him wearing number four and Jeff Thomas on offense for the hurricanes wearing number four. They've got some explosive play makers Sheldrick wed Ryan red wine made some play. He's a junior that's played. Well, and they get a little corner trade in bandy number two. Only a sophomore he made all kinds of plays in this game and really has all year. So I was impressed for sure by the Miami defense. I would imagine a good chunk of those guys are going to play on Sundays. We'll see how many get drafted. We'll see how many stick, but Virginia Tech has seven guys. Fran from last year's defense that our own fell rosters right now seven, and that's one of the reasons why they're just frankly, not as good I think Miami has the potential to a year from now us be saying that they've got five or six guys with Jackson. And Johnson and Willis and we'll see if Jackson the D N goes pro and quartered on. We'll see what happens some of these juniors. But they have a lot of future pros that I'm guessing are locked in in part because of omega six cognitive boost cognitive boost is the boost you need to get their look, it's not about ten cups of coffee. It's not about crushing coffee or five hour energy. At least give something like this try that has alpha and omega omega threes. You've heard all about them critical to brain health it. They also have alpha-gpc in him. It's all about years of clinical research, and you know, how I feel about stuff like this. The key is the two powerhouse ingredients, but the sixty day money back guarantee. So they're giving you a chance to get it for sixty percent off a one month. Supply when you go to Olmecs boost dot com slash draft today to get that sixty percent off so omega six boost dot com slash draft. That gets you the sixty percent off. And then you get to sixty day money back guarantee. O M A X B O S T dot com slash draft. So I also wanted to get into with you some of these other games. But also, we we gotta get into some of the senior bowl acceptances. We've got some guys that are starting to accept them. So again, I saw on the opener against Penn State. Jalen more from apps state is first up the running back. Yeah. He's five ten two hundred and ten pounds. And I watched him his junior season. When I watched them, I saw an explosive athlete, and he's got straight line speed the burn. He's got the ability to pick up chunks of yardage in a hurry. I think he's got solid vision overall as a runner, and I think he can be an effective one cut guy on. Outside zone scheme to the next level. He runs behind his pads, you rarely gets knocked backwards. He packs a little bit more punch than I thought when I first turn the tape on. Honestly, any of the big concerns? I do have are really I guess it would start with the ability to make that first man miss from what I saw from him as a junior. He did struggle to do that he's strong. But too often he would go down on first contact. I think he'll be that type of back Ross, honestly for people that are, you know, fancy football people right now, you know, he's going to be a product of scheme and usage and line play the next law. I think if he lands in a position where there's opportunity I think he will be an intriguing player, but I'm not sure that he's going to be. He's quite talented enough to be a primary back. I think he's not quite dynamic enough to be a satellite player. He's he's an intriguing player. I like the way that he plays keep in mind too that he just missed he missed time as a junior last year and he missed most of this season with an injury as well. I think it was a foot issue so medically. There's some concern there as well. He's got a lot that he can prove he can come back healthy for this game. It's just a matter of if that's going to happen in late January. How 'bout LSU tied in foster Moreau? Yeah. He's one of my favorite tight ends that I studied so far, you know, he's six four he's over to fifties. Got long arms. He's not going to be a certify pass catching threat. I think he's a marginal athlete, but he's got reliable hands. Each is not a mismatch guy in space, but the area where I think he really offers. The most value is as a blocker. He's really really competitive is used in a lot of different ways throughout his career as a blocker. He works hard to finish. And everything that he does if he can just get better route runner, I think there's some starting potential there at the end of the day. I do think he's probably more of a solid backup quick note on him to I talked with his former quarterback Danny at link back at the combine last year. It was just asking you who who are the guys down the road, and he really hyped up borrow to me as a guy on that LSU roster that would transition well to the NFL, and I think he was spot on without assessment. I really like Morrell I think he's definitely gonna to leak. What about? Guy. No you like you've talked about as well Kentucky. Josh allen. Yeah. Honestly, he's one of the most improved players in college football this year. I remember watching him early in the summer because remember he was getting like top half of the first round buzzing mock Trask back in like may and June watch this kid, and I came away. Just I was left wanting. Yeah, I saw skinny edge guy was kind of a jack-of-all-trades master of none. He would drop back in coverage and look pretty fluid moving a reverse. He would stretch a set a strong edge in the run game. He used his hands while at the point of attack. He'd get after a quarterback, but he wasn't really polish with anything. He did. And he lacked the power to collapse the pocket consistently. He was like two thirty playing as a junior last year fast forward. Now, a few months he packed over twenty pounds of muscle this offseason. So he's up a little bit over to fifty. He's also little bit more refined with his hands as a pass rusher. So you're talking about a kid now who's six three six four. He's over to fifty. I like his get off you can win with speed. But he can also win with power now as well that extra weight gives them a little bit more pop on contact push the pocket. His rush skill. I think is still a little bit of a work in progress. But the tools are there. And I thought one thing that Scott's and evaluators are going to love as well, especially the old school guys are that a lot of this production. This year is coming in crunch time late and gains when his defense needs a big play. He's coming up with a sack or a sack fumble and giving the ball back to his offense for a guy who racked up last year. Six of his seven sacks in the first half of the season. And just really fell off down the stretch last year. It seems like they put more of a priority on him on finishing this off season. And that's shown up Allen has really helped himself. I would think he's right up there with guys like quitting Williams. I've really just kind of improved their stock from twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen and I think he's got the to further do that down in mobile. I'm really really excited to see him in person because he's a guy who plays as a three four outside linebacker. I think a lot of teams are going to say that. Yeah, he can do that. But also he can be. That premier pass rusher from three point stance. Actually, like a more is a pass rusher with his hand in dirt. But certainly has the ability to move in reverse a linebacker as well. So he's just a very very intriguing player that you know, if you would ask me two months ago is he going to go in the first round. I would say no, I really don't see it. Now. I think there's a pretty good chance based off what I've seen so far in two thousand eighteen what about Texas Charles Amon who? Yeah. Different kind of guy for sure I mean, this is a big bodied kid. He's over six five. He's just under two hundred and eighty pounds. He's got a freak show. Wingspan? I have to key in a little bit more on his senior film. But this is a big strong powerful kid. He does he does not win with athleticism off the edge. But he can certainly play the rod, and he could certainly collapse the pocket I like him best as defensive end to can play the run on early downs. And then I think down the road maybe offer a little bit of of pass rush value from the inside he's a high floor player to me. It doesn't have a really high ceiling. But I bet a lot of teams view him as a potential started. Because he fits. A lot of teams look for physically on the edge. I liked the way he plays. And he's he's shown up every time. I've watched Texas this year as well. What about some smaller school guys that are getting Old Dominion ocean? Say his last name is his last name because the minis za minis Charleston, West Virginia D line, John Kamensky, New Mexico state linebacker, Terrel Hanks. Yeah. Yeah. In the senior bowl is always good it on earth thing. Some of those guys. Phil savage or now, Jim Nagy. They they've got a great network of scouts around the league. And they talked to those guys and say, hey, who do you want to see on the big stage who do you wanna see down there? And so they're able to find some of these small school guys and Zimin as is really been on the radar since the spring. I think when you talk about Old Dominion quietly put guys into the league over the last couple of years. So there's been some buzz about him. And when you talk about pass rush plan. I think this kid's got a pretty good one. He uses his hands. Pretty well. He mixes in a lot of different pass rush. Moves he flashes. That ability win with power. He is a little bit stiff, and he doesn't have the greatest first step. So the upside is a bit of a question, Mark. But he's been productive. I think he's going to stick in the league. I am excited to watch them on film from this year. And then you talk about the Charleston, West Virginia, kid, John Kaminsky. I knew nothing about this kid before he was announced with a senior bowl. So I made it a point to go and watch him as soon as he was announced. And here's all you need to know he showed up on campus as a two hundred and eighteen pound option quarterback out of small town, Ohio. Five years later here today. He's six foot five two hundred and eighty five pound defensive end in their three four scheme. He lines up everywhere on that d- line. He's been crazy productive throughout his career. He plays with a really high motor. And he's got the strength to hold up pretty well at the point of attack. As is typically the case with any small school guy with Kaminski it's going to come down to how he's going to show up and make sure you kinda show that you belong. He dominated his level of competition. He stands out as soon as you turn the tape on each just bigger and faster than everybody else with of the two level, which is what you need to see. Now, it's going to be all about. How's it gonna look what he's taking on an offensive lineman from Alabama or Wisconsin? Or Clemson or Mississippi State that's going to be the question last year the kid from Ford. Hey state Nathan shepherd. He really stood out down at the senior bowl. And that helped him put them in day two of the draft. We'll see if Kaminsky can do the same in January. But I think that the tools are there for an intriguing player. And then you mentioned tarot Hanks from New Mexico state. I I like to skip back in the summer. We talked about him when we did our preview of the top. Spects outside of the power five because I watched his junior film. I liked him. I saw athletic kid. He can line up wherever you need a linebacker to up and he can make plays from sideline to sideline. I think he's built for today's NFL from a physical standpoint. My biggest concern, honestly, outside of the fact that he's only thirty was that. I don't think he always took great angle. So the football, and he did find himself out of position a little more than I would have liked. But overall, he's athlete. He's explosive. He's physical. There's a lot there to work with. I think he's got three potential in the NFL. Finally, what about Houston cornerback is Ahah Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. I mean this kid I watched him over the weekend for the first time. He's a pretty intriguing kid. I actually talked to his defensive coordinator over the course of the summer marked off Rio. And I talked a lot about Oliver. And you got a sense of what was off the field. And just ask them. You know, hey, who are you excited about Johnson is one of the first players? He brought up. He's got impressive size. He's six to two hundred pounds got long arms. He's got the speed to recover. Vertically? Make plays down the field. He's a former lied out there in Houston. So not only can he go up and play the ball. But I was particularly impressed with his feel for route concepts down the field and deep zone coverage as well. Now, I do think he's a little bit. Stiff has changed direction. Skills are a little bit of a question. Mark for me. I washed three games. I'm not quite sure how much of that is physical. How much of it is mental and just trusting what he's seeing says he's still adjusting to play in the corner spot. But you know, big long kids with boss skills. We say this all time whereas with corners, if you're tall and your long, and you've got boss kills and you can run typically those guys don't fall too, far even. If there really raw. So I could see a team seeing him as a day to pick even though he may not quite be ready to play right away. The traits are there to the point where if he has a really really good week. I bet he could start hearing from top fifty buzz. Like, I really I really do think that then again, he could go down there and go the other way too. So I think this is a really really big week for him. When it's all said and done, let's get to some other invites you can just rattle off. And then we'll get into some of the other news around college football. Yeah. You know, the Penn State quarterback trace McSorley, he reportedly got an invite nor wet northwestern quarterback Clayton Thorson gotten invite. I think probably got better tools McSorley, certainly has been the better college player over the course of his career. So it'll be interesting to see those two guys side by side. I'm assuming that they would both be on the north squad. Umass wide receiver. Andy Isabela got invited. Not an official acceptance yet. Do this kid is intriguing man. I just why we talked about him last week in the matchup for Georgia. He was really productive. And again, like sixteen catches against Georgia this week, but Isabelle as an intriguing guy. Oh, man. I mean, he's quick. He's explosive. He tracks the ball. Well in the air. I think he's got some savvy to them as a route runner. He's small that's going to be the big question is size is going to be a concern. And I do think, you know, his hands. There are a lot of double catches on film. So that's going to be the one interesting thing seeing him in person obvious to see the official measurements of his hands. When they do come in at the senior bowl because look hand size. We said it's all the time when it comes to measurable. It's not an issue until it's an issue. And I do think that there are some times where he can be a little bit questionable at the catch points. So something interesting to watch their with Isabelle offensive, line wise. There's a small school kid Titus Howard from Alabama state that I haven't dug into yet. But I've heard some good things there. Kansas state's Dalton Richner you. And I both watched him over the summer, we weren't as hired him as others. But he he's still being mentioned in first rounds of mock draft, which I still not quite sure that I see northern Illinois MAC Scharping as well. He had a couple of big time games this year against Florida state and some other big time schools so interesting to see that some of that matchup off the edge Michigan's. We've talked a lot about him Carl Granderson from Wyoming has a pretty good first step, and it has the ability to bend. The you talked about Miami, D tackle, Gerald Willis earlier. He got invited to the game. I'm sure he'll be down there. That'll be a big opportunity for him both on and off the field and then the two corners. We just talked about a couple of weeks ago temples Rocky's in the transfer from Presbyterian, and then Penn State's Amani or awas the first year starter there for the line. So we're seeing a lot of invites role in I heard about the Delaware safety, nausea, Adderley that a he just accepted, actually just recently. So I watched that kid late in the summer early in the fall and based off his junior fill. This is a Philly kid. I was pretty intrigued with what? So I've gotten word that some scouts were really high on him. This is a kid who's built like a corner. He started his career at the blue hands as a corner. So he's got that skill set. He's still young only be a twenty year old rookie, but he's athletic. He reads routes well from the secondary's a four year starter. I can't wait to watch them this year and get a better sense of how he saw things from the safety spot. And how he ran the alley. I thought that they were starting traits there with that kid so zero from Delaware as well as a guy to watch he's going to be down there in mobile. So there's a couple other topics. We need to bring up for in an I thought one of the most interesting things that happen in college football from draft perspective last week was Thursday night. When Ed Oliver and major Applewhite got into a little tiff on the sideline over him wearing a jacket that suppose the only for guys that are playing in the game. Major Applewhite kind of try to tug it off of them and Oliver supposed left the stadium at halftime curious to get your thoughts friend. Well, you know, it's it's funny because I mentioned earlier that I talked with Mark dantonio the defense coordinator that I was an interview we did over on the journey of the draft podcast back in the summer and everything I've read and everything from talking with the with coach about him is that you know, he's a blue collar kitties kitties, a really hard worker. So this this occurrence. Honestly, kind of caught me off guard. I wasn't really expecting something like this, and I caught up on on Friday morning and just kind of took all that it. I don't I don't know what your overall thoughts are looks like he's obviously competitive, and I there's there's a lot of details that we're not going to know because we don't know how healthy at Oliver is. Or isn't. We know Houston hasn't had quite the season that they expected it's late in the year. Does he want to go out and risk of self is if he's not one hundred percent healthy? Then again, it was also like fifty degrees. Like, do you need the big jacket? Like, I don't know. It's. It's an interesting situation. I get what mitt where it major Applewhite's coming from. Because you don't want to try and say that this kid's above everybody else. If you're telling everybody else on the sideline not to wear that jacket. Why should never be able to wear the jacket? It's it's a tough situation. I I don't know what your overall what was the first thing that went through your mind when you first saw it thought it was a real bad look for both of them. That should not be handled on the sideline like that. Thought may drop a white trying to tug it off was a really bad. Look them. Them going at each other is a bad. Look, I don't know how that helps major Applewhite with recruiting when the best player may be like in school history. You're kind of embarrassing on national television. That's very smart. I mean handle it at halftime. I thought would have been much better way to go about it, you know, behind closed doors, and Fred Oliver, you know, I don't know enough to know about what the rules are what he was told. But here what anybody says, it's a lot more in my guests about the fact that he wasn't playing then the jacket. I don't care what major Applewhite says, my guess is. It was a lot about the fact that Ed Oliver's now playing, and I think the fact that he left the stadium is probably not a good look now. I also think you know, he's handling it a little differently. I don't know if he'll play again this year. I tend to doubt it, and it almost feels like it'd be better cleaner. Whatever if you. Did the Nick Bosa and just made it known? You know, it's like where he's seen on the field before the game. Throwing around the football jumping around having fun. He's got the knee injury. Just not it's not a great look for him right now. We know that was Mike MacIntyre fired. Or just report that he's going to be. I think it might be reports I have to look at. I know I saw the news go across the ticker like a million times on Sunday. So. It seems like that's what's going to happen. And if that's the case the one guy to keep an eye on would be the quarterback, Stephen Montesquieu's, a junior talented kid. I haven't studied them yet. But I've heard a lot of good things. I know our buddy Greg Cosell was really intrigued by Montas studying over the summer. So he's a name to watch. They've got a couple of guys on defense that are younger as well to keep an eye on the potential guys declare but Montas will be the big name. Any other guys got chance to study recently? Yeah. The one guy that I really feel like I need to bring up before we get into matchups this week is Washington state's left tackle, Andre Dillard. Look, I did it a couple of weeks ago where I went through his film. I was really really impressed. He's a three year starter on the blindside athletically. I was just so impressed with how under control he was. I like his feet I like balance he's a natural need bender. He's never on the ground. He's used to playing on an island there as well. Because of those wide splits in that air raid offense with Mike Leach up front. He sees things. Really quickly impasse, bro. I love the how uses his hands in the passing game. He's got a heavy punch. When he gets his hands on defenders usually the battles over the questions with him. I think or that he can play a little bit straight legged at times a little bit high part of that is that they never have him. Just put his hand in flag football. So some people are going to questionably to play out of a three point stance, which whatever it is. You know, some guys that turns some people off, but depending on the scheme they on the coach that could be an issue in the run game. I think he can be. A little bit slot with his hands as well. He's not really like a true glassy eater kind of Mahler in the run game. So that may rub people the wrong way. But I really really liked the kid. I he I think he's going to be a good starter at the left tackle or guard. I could see some people like him inside. But this is this is a good player. I think he's a first second round type of town. Well, there's going to be a lot of first second round type of talent on display Thursday Friday Saturday, it'll be a veritable Schwarz's board of college football rivalry games. Having a chance to play in a bunch of ivory games in my life. Man. There really is nothing. Like, let's go head to head. And by the way, you can bet on all of these rivalry games over at bed online dot AG using the promo code podcast one. So I've told you guys about it before if you haven't done it yet. Now's a good time. You get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. When you use that code podcast one over at bed, online dot AG. Huge college football weekend fell NBA NHL, whatever it is that tickles your fancy and that way, you get at least an account number. So if in when a win the podcast one sports that challenge again, you can be one of the people that get one hundred dollars credited in your bed online Dutt AG account. So what do we got friend? I mean, we got Thursday night. Ole miss Mississippi State in the bowl. We got the civil war Friday night. Oregon Oregon state the apple Cup, Washington Washington. Stay iron bowl, Alabama, Auburn Michigan. Ohio State, Clemson, South Carolina, Notre Dame, USC Florida. Florida state Stanford UCLA unbelievable. Three days of college football. What are the specific individual matchups? You look in it. He L let's just start with a couple of quarterbacks. I think you look at the iron bowl certainly jarred stood him. This is John enormous test for him against his Alabama defense. We know how that group is just chock full of talent. So if stood them does declare I guarantee you one of the first games that evaluators will be watching. We'll be this game. And just seeing how he reacts to that pro style defense with just so much blue chip talent at all three levels. You look down at the bowl with ole miss Mississippi State on Thursday night. Jordan, Tom who was a senior quarterback. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about really wasn't a full time starter and told this did start a handful. Games over the course of his career when shape Patterson was out of the lineup. But Jordan, Tom was been very very productive this year. Obviously a talented receiving corps their four ole miss so take on Mississippi State, and that defense, you know, we talked about all those guys at all three levels, sweat and Simmons and Peters Jonathan Abram. And all those guys, you know, Leo Lewis, and it's a good defense. Orissa state. So big test Africa Orden, Tom. What about what else do we have in terms of quarterbacks versus tub defenses? Yeah. I think you you look around the of Michigan quarterback shape passionate. He's got a big test here against us Ohio State defense that seems down but certainly could still get after defensive line chase young Draymond Jones. And all those guys up front will be a big test. Then you look at running backs against linebackers Damian Harris who I think was out with a concussion on Monday. Monday's practice. We'll see if he's able to go Saturday against the Auburn, you know, that that second level that Auburn defense that defensive line is very good. But they've got to seniors at the second level of Daryl Williams and desha Davis. Davis a little bit of a throwback. Dr Williams more built for today's game. And that he can kind of play space a little bit better. But both those guys are good against the run. So keep an eye out for those guys against Damien Harrison the Alabama run game out in space with these receivers and tight ends. He looked a little Egbo AJ Brown DeMarcus. You know, that's one of the best receiving course. In college football going up against that secondary. Mississippi State, you know, Jamal Peterson a big corner. He's a senior he's draft eligible guy who some people feel that could be a press guy. Some people feel could be a safety and the Jonathan Abram is one of my favorite safeties in the country. I mean, the guy has got a really explosive mover. He's physical. He's a dog out there in terms of playing against the run and also playing in space. He's a guy. I would absolutely keep your eye on in this Thursday night game. And then Louisville taken on Kentucky and other one. Look Louisville's obviously doubt between trio's out. But they do have some talent there. Jalen smith. Probably the best senior on the roster in terms of NFL potential big bodied receiver playing out in space against this Kentucky secondary. Where you've got Derek Beatty. You've got Lonnie Johnson. Mike Edwards in the slots or wherever Jalen Smith lines up. He's going to face a next level defensive back. So big test there for Jalen Smith and then down in the trenches. I know how much you love these guys up front Thursday night. You've got ole miss left tackle, Greg little some people feel is a I. Round pick in this draft. Technumn Montessori wet another guy. Some people feel is a first round pick. So you got a great matchup their sweat does lineup on both defensive defensive end spots. So sometimes we'll get matched up against little. Sometimes he won't when those to do go at it. That'll be a really fun match up to watch South Carolina. Clemson, South Carolina line. You know, having watched them closely. It's a pretty impressive group for especially for a college offensive line. Dennis daily is a guy at the left tackle spot. Second year star big bodied kid when he gets his hands on you. I think he could be really he can be really tough to get by question. Whether or not his feet are quite good enough to last at left tackle, the NFL. But we'll see I do what I've seen from him. Zach Bailey just a tough physical guard. He does have some tackle experiences while I do like him better on the inside going up against this Clemson defensive line, Christian Wilkins, and Dexter Larence and Cleland feral in Austin, Bryan, Albert Huggins and all those guys up front for Clemson. And it's going to be a really good match up there something to keep an eye on as well. And then I'll have state Michigan. Chase winner. We'll see if he's able to go in this game. He's been out of the lineup. So far this week. We'll see if he's able to go for Sean Gary did make his return this past week or I think he actually came back online a couple of weeks ago but had a few big plays in this Maryland game. So he certainly will be in their Ohio state's got a right tackle Isaiah prince that some scouts are really really high on. I think he had gotten some top fifty type of grades over. The course of the summer. I'm not quite sure I see him there. But he is a big bodied kid. He's got some length to him has been three or start a four your started there for the buckeyes. So keep an eye on that matchup Isaiah prince against Michigan deans in that Florida. Florida state game Martinez Ivy another big bodied left tackle guy. Who's got the ability to play inside at guard as well. But just great size. Rare linked for the position going up against Florida state Brian burns, who is one of the more explosive pass rushers when the more flexible pass rushers in the country. So another interesting match up to watch their in that rivalry. Game. Yup. Looking forward to that one for sure it's interesting to me that I've Ian Mitch Hiatt Clemson were the top two ranked offense of tackles in the in high school when they played in the army bowl, and they both are going to end up playing for years. They both have now won red-shirted. But now the one left score the either which usually when the guys, you know, the top two tackles one of them ends up leaving squirrelly so set something that's interesting to note, you can always catch friend all of his stuff at f- defeat three on Twitter. That's the key or Google friend all kinds of stuff for you over at Philadelphia Eagles that come. Of course, tomorrow is a huge day at RT media with even money podcast with our beds fantasy feasts podcasts. I got a big win last night. Thanks to Brandin cooks. Put me over the edge on my fantasy league. Evan civil always hooks me up from road a world on the Fancy Feast pod. Cast. 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Fireside Chats #11: So You Wanna Be a GM w/Dan Hatman

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Fireside Chats #11: So You Wanna Be a GM w/Dan Hatman

"Borderlands is back shoot and loot your way through mayhem field adventure. And borderlands three blasts through new worlds and enemies as one of the four new playable volt owners each with deep skill trees abilities and customization play solo or with your friends to take on insane enemies score loads of loot and save the galaxy from fanatical threat. Mayhem is coming September. Thirteenth on PC Xbox One and PS four preorder now to receive the gold weapon skins pack at Borland's dot com. Welcome into fireside chats. This episode eleven brought to you by the folks at SP nation and bleed ingred nation. I'm your host Michael kissed. You can find me on Twitter at Michael guest. NFL K, I S T this show fireside chats was created simply because I wanted to show where I had an excuse to talk with leading minds in the industry. Whether former players like trae Thomas, and Eric Crocker or with leading eight olitical minds like that. Manage Cherian of sports info solutions are Frank free. Go of edgy analytics with those from the scouting world like Cal crabs of the draft network and Dan, hadn't of the scouting academy and, and hopefully that excuse has the added benefit of presenting you gentle listener with some indepth information about the game you love that you wouldn't have come across otherwise with that in mind when the Joe Douglas news dropped which had him moving on from the eagles. I figured it'd be a perfect time to talk again with Dan Hatton. Because as I was researching information for a BG radio show with Brandon league. Out and Benjamin. So lack, I was reading, Hatton, his college thesis, which was about general manager. So that's our guests for today happened has a background in the league. He's been a great mentor to me, and I couldn't be happier to have an excuse to talk with him about this topic. And before we kick it over to that one quick note we recorded this chat on Tuesday. And as of today as I record this intro, which is Thursday, the newest information, we have regarding the possible moves in the eagles front office comes from Adam Kaplan, who tweeted, quote, expectation around, NFL, is that eagles will promote Andy YTL to vice president of player personnel. Previously held by Joe Douglas unquote. So keep that nugget in mind, while listening and most importantly, enjoyed the show, Dan, you're the first repeat guests on fireside chats, that is quite an honor, how you doing, brother? While I was unaware of that very, very thankful prestigious honor to say the least that's gonna go up there, next to the Super Bowl ring, very, very excited about that will do. So you have been on June before that was fireside chats, number ten, we talked about the failed dream team experiments or really fun romp of his show. But seriously, there's a lotta great permission in there. And Dan, I will ask you just to give a quick rundown of who you are your background and what you're up to now a broken the NFL with the New York Giants was a pro scouting intern while I was still in college in the summertime and then after I graduated they had come back down full year opportunity. After that, talk to people in the organization about had move up the ladder. They all recommended go. Get smarter. Go have some kind of degree or something you can demonstrate ins mentality, so I went off into UMass. I got my MBA coach D line in special teams there from there. I hooked on with the jets up until the lockout and then that changed all the contract stuff. And then post lockout, I went to go work for the Philadelphia Eagles, and then in twenty thirteen actually started a. She called dynamic sports solutions built the software to help teens value players off of that started up the scouting academy, which is where I met now. And so now we run an online educational opportunity for those that wanna learn about football valuation. I have been to the guy academy myself. I would highly recommend if you wanna learn more about the game of a barn, it's not just if you wanna get into scouting, if you wanna get into media, if you win appreciate the game that you love a little bit more than that's for you. So let's move on from that. We're gonna talk about the obvious news. We all know the news with Joe Douglas leaving the Philadelphia Eagles to become the general manager of the New York Jets. So he don't have to obsess over the specifics in that manner. But for Douglas this is an accumulation of a long history in the NFL. He started out in the NFL with the Baltimore Ravens in two thousand as part of their twenty twenty club, his next sixteen years were spent with Baltimore working under guys like Ozzie Newsome, Phil savage, and by twenty twelve he became their national scout. But Dan before we move on with the rest of his career. What led us to this point? Can you kind of shed some light on the phrase twenty twenty and what it would have meant at the time and the purpose for it? It's still relatively accurate in terms of what those numbers stand for the first number was the age people in their twenties. Trending closer to twenty thirty and then the second number referred to compensation twenty thousand dollars no benefits. And if you could survive those years may night, I'd internship pay. Seventeen one internship paid eighteen for a full year's work with no benny's of you can survive those things, then you have your chance to get into those fulltime opportunities which is where he slid into that northeast job literally being the person who's getting all the colleges in the northeast part of the country, usually bracketed somewhere with Pennsylvania Maryland than you pass the voter midwest scout or your mid Atlantic scout. Some teams will go down Virginia with northeast. Because as many schools are up in that neck of the woods. Not necessarily as robust of talent footprint in Massachusetts, Rhode Island is risen, Florida, Georgia. So he's moved from that twenty twenty scout than than he goes up the ladder, and eventually becomes a GM. And I was reading your college thesis on this, and you had a quote from Pat kirwin in there, where you can list things of what a general manager is responsible for and working through your thesis as for as like going in detail with what they have control of what they have to manage all of that stuff. Can you kind of give an overview of what it is to be general manager in the NFL today? I think the best way to try to isolate this is when you are underneath that job typically with a title like vice president or director of player personnel. You are watching football players either live or on film, somewhere in the neighborhood eighty percent of your time that you're working you slide in general manager chair, you're lucky if you can get that number to thirty percent of your time that is trying to identify the fact that you typically move away from pl-. Player vows into actual management of everything that relates to a front office. So you are going to oversee the scouting department coaching department. Your video department Olympics department your medical department. Your doctors, your trainers, your staff, all those people underneath the purview of this particular, title, some people ends up being more of a vice president football operations type some people get general manager, some we have both but long story short, if you're if you're overseeing that tire piece your overseeing that entire piece. So if your third trainer leaves for another job your working to find a new trainer. If your assistant video director gets a D Y you gotta deal with that. You're the person who gets the call at three in the morning when something bad happens. You're the person they come complained to when they don't feel like their contract, is what they want or the tasks and responsibilities. Afforded to them, aren't what they aspire to. So you move from player identification evaluation into everything into it's, it's a massive leap in terms of that. How that goes in when you talk to people that have made that leap a common thread through all of it is just you don't know until you're there. I mean, these are people that sat in the GM's office in had conversations about roster management strategy in had copious amounts of non public information at their hands in those people, the number two, or in some cases, maybe number three people in organization are still very willing to admit that when they took that jump to the next level the number of things that they had to do in the number of things they were unprepared to do Grech Ponente. What challenges do you face as a general manager when you walk into a job? And this is special to Joe Douglas, but like after the draft after the free agent process, basically. What can Douglas hope to achieve after those major waves of changes have already been made for him for this year? What, what is his job entail, which if I interviewed her college thesis correctly is pretty much everything. But what, what can he do at this point to help this year? What can I do to kind of set himself up to the future evaluate your scouting staff evaluate your coaching staff? Those are two pieces that you can get into their neither one are going to change for twenty nineteen campaign that much in most likely, but the first met you can change come end of December January sliding the twenty twenty will be in those particular areas. If you need to Ryan, again, the valuation doesn't necessarily require a move, but you need to know what you've got you need to know your personnel. I think the, the best way to say that the easiest thing that front office dies is great great a player now, I'm not saying that it's grading player is easy. I'm not saying that every team does it accurately. But the easiest thing that a team does is great. Players so watching players practice watching players working games working towards your fifty three. He's gonna most likely have forty six to forty eight of that fifty three are on the roster. Right now be a chance to trade, her claim a few guys at the cut down. So the week one rosters pretty much already at Florin park right now. So is not going to be a whole lot that's going to change for the week one roster. You can continue to improve at pieces that can work a future or a lot of that haze in the barn. So in my opinion, the biggest thing that he can do is look at all those resources, he's gonna have to lean on again. I talk about that jump from eighty percent of film, the thirty percent that means you are delegating or outsourcing. Right. All the rest of that work and all those feedback. Loops have to come up to you. You need to make sure that that information flow is coming through people that you trust to give you accurate unbiased information in a way that you're able to consume it make decisions from it. So he needs. To figure that out. My guess is part of the reason it took a little while was making sure that there was gonna be budget and resource available so that he can bring in key staff right now. Now, typically, when a GM tired in January, they bring in, like one person right away from any team to use what we see, I wouldn't be surprised if there's five six seven people Joe's able to bring in the next week or two to make sure that he's got the best chance have the people on board. The one benefit of being hired now. Is that he's got eleven months to work his first draft, not three you alluded to the amount of convincing that it took Douglas fir take the job. This was a bit of a longer process. If what we're seeing from the media's to believe that it took a lot for the jets to finally get a guest from Douglas so something noted on a show this week was how the general manager position is quite often. One strike and you're done gamble. And of course, I was citing your thoughts on the matter. From the inside the pylon article where you tracked general manager candidates. So along with the wreck. Concerns of money talent stability, perceived short term job stability, even though we can argue that really never exist. But there's also the fact that if you with on this opportunity if you with on this job, that's possibly decades worth of time and effort in sweat, and tears, to reach the mountaintop only to be undone because something somewhere went wrong on the field or on the sidelines and the results weren't great. How much do you think a guy like Douglas had to weigh that opportunity? I that risk in the situation with the jets, I pray that he did for his sake. And I hope that every candidate does again. You mentioned. I'm I don't know how to say this, but you get one shot and by going into year three your owners going to have an impression on if this is someone that we feel comfortable with for years, three four five, his most GM deals using that five or six year range that owners gonna know going into year, three lake Mike confident in how this is going thus far like we're showing signs of progress, you don't get a GM job other than know. Ozzie Newsome retiring Erica Kasich. It's a chance to run the shop usually when you get a jam job because team stunk. So you're taking over some was not championship caliber, and the goal is to. Well, we assume the goal is to move to championship caliber, you're going into that situation, which is, again, gonna be one. That's a rough to say the least in you get a very short window of. There's this again, this assumption of these things can be turned around overnight. Again, someone will say Seattle or something else. And how fast they got the turn around. And what have you in that becomes the model in that becomes the expectation? So if you can't turn it around that fast. You clearly must not know what you're doing. And I look at all these say, okay, so in age of, of data in football in an outliers an outlier in a lot of these cases, one team turning around Paul Allen did bring in John Schneider Pete Caroline. And they have worked well together. And they did find Russell Wilson and there were elements of skill and luck involved in all of those things in the undercurrent was a very, very competent support of financially robust owner in Paul Allen, who could let those things go it wanted to see a competitive team fielded. I don't know if that's a constant across all NFL ownership. And so, again, if you're GM candidate weighing these things if I step back and look at it, how many ownership groups do we have objective evidence to suggest that they are honestly interested in Super Bowl championship. And that would be something I would way you know, I'm, I'm not convinced. We're in double digits in true, honest to goodness. Not would be excited about having one not the it'd be cool to have a trophy on their mantle place. But honestly, every decision they make is oriented towards winning that versus is oriented towards making money, and those are interesting conversations. I, I would imagine agents should be having with their candidates in these situations. So you mentioned financially robust, why would the jets be held up with the money on the contract from the media's telling us again, but you could make the argument in some have like these are capped situations. I can pay say offense of line coach, like Dante, scar Nikki of the patriots or Jeff stoutly of the eagles, whatever it takes to ensure that I have a top -sition coach on my staff. Just like I can pay general manager on cap money to guide light organization through the treacherous NFL waters. Like, what is the sticking point there with the financial aspect of will as Amy Trask is talked about many, many times liquid cash on ownership, levels, not constant from Tina team? So we all. Oftentimes, look at Forbes ranking of what an organizations worth hopefully everybody understands that it's only worth that, if you sell it, just because it's worth two billion doesn't mean you have two billion a liquid asset only get billion if you give up that asset, you know, again thing about every stock you put into the market like it's out there it's worth something. But until you cash it in, you don't have any money the actual cash on hand owner by owners, definitely a different deal. And I'm not convinced that ownership once a third competitive market for salaries. They already negotiate with the players union the VA and I wanna say if member creek, the players fifty one percent of that I think it's fifty one forty nine in one direction. So anyway, basically fifty fifty split on the net. You know, the money's coming in. And then as you mention the coaching salaries have become a competitive market, particularly to compete with the college side as well. So you're in potentially millions of dollars for coordinators. Even assistant coaches are really high six figures, if not into seven figures, ownership doesn't one another competitive market. Yeah. The GM might make a million and a half dollars a year for most clubs. And if he gets extended might make into threes, if you're Bill Belichick, you know, you got that kind of street cred. You can make more than that. But three million dollars at this level is a the reported our salary for Joe. Douglas is a double what typically first time GM makes talked about you only get one shot at this. So most ams are making dinner on that million and a half range from what's become public underneath that. Yeah. You definitely have some people that are making six figures, but typically in the like hundred fifty to two hundred range, maybe a few people have some leverage in can get up past that, but yet not really bust robust market. And I don't think they want it to be Lester because the prices will just keep going up and up for everyone really. When we come back here on fireside chats, we'll get into how the Joe Douglas. Relation may impact the eagles. That's up next right after this. What if all you're breaking news alerts had voice, what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos, groom everyday my team, and I take one essential new story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes perfect for your ride home subscribed today, explained on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. And we are back here on fireside chats brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding, green Asian, Michael kissed here with Dan had been of the scouting academy. Now let's talk about how this Joe Douglas thing impacts the eagles for the eagles. They have a ton of front office members on staff that have connections with Douglas. You've got the wide -als or the weeds, whoever that is that the might pronouncing that terribly wide. I believe it's the wheedle. I could be wrong. We'll go with the weeds in the arts and alternate throughout probably. So the weeds there's McCray. There's Cunningham at cetera everyone. We talked about these guys on BG radio episode fifty eight and Dan. I know you're familiar with them in the various roles that they hold, as we record this on Tuesday. June eleventh, we have yet to see any big moves from Douglas. But would you anticipate an exodus out of Philadelphia? Yes, again, we look at this staff, and how he Roseman has final say. And so, again, I wanna acknowledge that he worked in concert that, that partnership made this whole thing work, instead of it being friction relationship is a very supportive, one on both sides. But I'm always struck by this. Right. So. Right. Or, or in here, we're talking about the eagles and people. Ask me. Hey, what are they thinking here? What are they thinking? They're what are you hearing building? It's strange to me because it wasn't that many years ago, I was there, I, I left right as chip Kelly was coming on board. So it wasn't that many years ago. Looking at the list of people in the front office. The people that were there when I was there, Howie Roseman, ri-, Allah, Calloway, Anthony, patch, Alan walking, and then we can move over to football, Admiral Jake Rosenberg in Tom Donahoe, senior visor. But again, there's like four core, day-to-day people on the scouting side of it Jake has a very key role, not necessarily valuation piece, but that's four people of staff of twenty five yeah. The vast vast majority. These people were brought in via Joe Douglas, if Joe's relationships help set the table for these people coming in you mention, you know, the weeds you mentioned McCray, Cunningham says most direct ties to Baltimore. He went out and found a patch not found, but a brought in a Patrick Stewart from New England John Hyman event with buffalo. It will talk about this. It's like the all star team. We will the scouting community talk like he went out swinging for the fences on all this. This was not a will bring in any random twenty three. Year old who worked down the road at temple, and then two years later as long as isn't script the coffee order will promote him to scout. He went out find people that had ten plus years in, in real credibility in the space and Jeffrey Laurie being the kind of owner he is was like, okay. Sure. I'll I will put resources behind that. If you think it's in the best interest club. Gotta give Jeffrey huge props for that. Because again, a Ben in buildings of definitely heard about buildings that would never ever happen like you wanna pay that guy. What can we get some other guy to do that job for like half of that? Right. And then it becomes the difference between you have the vision of recognizing box checker versus a difference maker, like you get someone to check every box, probably for less than fifty thousand dollars a year. Yeah. But you're getting based on information that literally every other team can get. You're not gaining any competitive advantage through your evaluation processes in his analytical as that organization is. In how open to those insights, they are. They have the most robust compensated deep bench film evaluation staff of any team in the league now. So we talk about these things, like I am happy to give credit where Credit's due to Alec in his staff and everything that they filter up to how in the decision make like it's awesome stuff. But this isn't like they're bare bones in their film events can biggest most robust years of experience or up their compensation's up there. Like they just invest in everything the beauty of it. They're not investing in one thing, they're investing in everything, if you can demonstrate the value in it can create a competitive advantage for Laurie no matter how big or small he will invest in it. That's everything I've heard from about that organization, including from yourself is, is saying that coming back to your original question, like is there, going to be some sort of excess, I have to imagine how he, he sees things out on the chess board. Right. So I can't imagine the idea of Joe Douglas leaving came of as a surprise. Ten days ago, especially when they hired Andrew berry. Everybody had that thought when they brought in berry was okay. So this is the guy to lead them. When Joe leaves typ- that's been the thought process for a while, and then it just it just a head count. You know how many people in what was the handshake deal on which people can leave 'cause if they're there right now they have a contract write their names on the website. They have a contract right now and Albert posted. I wanna say yesterday the actual rules on the anti-tampering rules, which play into which staff. Can you go talk to? So there is no rule that mandates that. How we has to let anybody under contract leave for another job. Unless they're getting final say which what Joe's getting with New York, everybody else he could sit on until their contracts up if they are allowed to leave and again, the, the unwritten rules, generally speaking like if the person's going for genera- genuine advancement. In their career end you, you know, you feel like you can replace that you'll let them go. So, like, for instance, a quick scenario on that. Let's say they promote Andrew berry in an Andy YTL has, has a opportunity for promotion in New York. They would generally let that allow that to happen. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And so I've said publicly like I'd actually be surprised if the weeds, don't go, and Ian is brother. Casey was or player personnel coordinator IB surprised. They don't go those like the first two people. Joe brought in. Yeah. When he got there, I would be surprised if TJ McCray doesn't go based on the way things are because you still have like she still have such a deep bench of people. If you were to lose those people, you still have berry, you still have Tom Donahue. You still have Alec Alabi your college departments still have Anthony patch. You know you just promoted Brandon Brown, the director after losing staff to Oakland and you just hired screwed or at a Miami. Like they're good. I the way my count goes. If they were to lose four staff without hiring a single person they would be on par with the average size in scope of other staffs in the league they obviously build that back up to. They wanna stay above that line. At if I am interpreting that correctly. Yeah. My, my read on it is, if they find someone that's available to them that they think is an upgrade like they're going for it now. They might not make any change. They could you know, they let three people go pick a number three people go. I don't intimidate them adding right away. Because again, if you look at every website if they're on the website, they got a contract. You'll be else has to let anybody go to Philly either. That's true. But we could look at people that are ought not under contract staff. They're out on the street working for the senior bowl working for the XFL. Whatever the case may be if they with somebody there that was value otherwise they could roll through the twenty nineteen campaign with enough staff. The cover all their bases at a high level. And then look at the market come January through may of next year and continue to build a department again. The assumption is of underneath Andrew berry of what, how in Andrews vision is of the staff under their direction for the years to come. Yeah. So you're gonna echoing the same thought that I saw from Daniel, Jeremiah on the timeliness while somebody add Daniel Jeremiah's, yet, come to Philly in Jeremiah was like, look. He's got how he's got the deepest best bench of scouts in the league's was good to hear you echoes thoughts as well. Yeah. See much there, Dan. Can you shed some light on something for me? I'm gonna move away from you know, the specific Joe Douglas situation. But it still is kind of tied in can you shed some light on, on something that's been very confusing for many and that's going to get some shatter until Joe Douglas makes his decision. And that's the recent uptick in interest regarding media personalities and the hiring of them to prominent front office positions. With the obvious example, being Mike Mayock become the journal. Manager of the Oakland Raiders Todd mcshay has been rumored to be one of the guys that Joe Douglas may bring in with the New York Jets is this because their relationships and on kind of getting this from your college thesis, I was reading it. I had this LOP may be this is beneficial for them. But a media personalities relationship with the agents that community of agents for the players because I remember that being a considered a plus for win example, like Phil Emery got the general manager gig with the bears back in two thousand twelve and yet his run as college scouting director an area scout that led him to having wide network of contacts with agents, which is valuable is that one of the bigger pluses when it comes to considering media personalities like why is this happening? I think we're running into a series of for lack of a better term coincidences that were starting to look at in a sume trend two. So it starts with John Lynch, right up to me. It's not like they were looking at media personalities. They went through a robust. Search jed York was very clear on, like I want a GM and a coach that believe in each other and the Mike Shanahan connection was the common thread that pull those guys together. And that was where the decision was made. You know, again, there was a lot of fear in the community on the Oakland opportunity because everyone knows that Jon Gruden shop like you're not. You're not going to run a shop. You're not really going to get to run things the way you wanna run them it, it's John shop. And so there were variety of people that were not interested in going out there. They want, you know, if you're going to take that, right? If you're going to get that title wanted to be your, your shot. Right. And so I know that those two have come up a lot in terms. Okay. We'll now are tipping towards a trend in Louis Riddick interview for a couple of jobs, but he was the director of pro personnel for two different team before he went. Yeah. I don't consider him in that bucket because he has that background. You know. In. So this would be akin to, you know, if Bill Polian for some reason came out of retirement got a GM job anybody talking about him media personality. None of that. He was a former general manager, who happen to go into media Riddick Riddick just happens to be really good at talking on camera. He does have that, that going for him. But so the two Joe Douglas that keep coming up Daniel, Jeremiah who very publicly announced yesterday's very comfortable with his position if I'll network and he'll be staying there. But those guys came up is twenty twenty two in Baltimore, you know, and that's just those shared experiences just run the people that you grew up in instrumental time in your life that you had those conversations about about how, hey when we when we get there, we want to run this way type people, you're not usually having those with your boss. Right. Usually having those with your peers, those relationships are strong and that actually extends over Todd. Mcshay played together at Richmond. It's not like like who you know, I've been listening Todd mcshay for ten years, and I think he's smarter than everybody ever met in the NFL. They play together at Richmond. Like they sit in the locker room and get those shared experience those relationships run deep now. So all of this is the say that I don't intimidate sitting here, wherever this conversation, five years from now. I don't think. We're staring at this thing. There's a massive run on media personalities in football. I think got condensed into a tight space and I wrote about this in my thesis guys, it came from cap background where the hot GM thing for two cycles, and that was it and it wasn't a trend. It was there was some people at that time that done a good job to position themselves earned opportunities in, in went forward with it. Some were successful in some work, but it didn't become a long term trend of cap guys getting that job. So I don't necessarily see this as a time where the media guys are going to get a consistent run on these jobs. I think that there's been these deeper relationships that have predated media exposure that have been difference makers here. So when I'm getting from this, I guess I'm a media personality is that I still have a chance. That's what I that's what I gotta do have a personal question on that though, see seeing as we know each other well enough, you've provided feedback. Oh my valuations wells with Scotty academy guided me in the right direction on other coaching sessions. We've also worked on the inside the. Pylon drac together saying as a merging media personality. And I'm ignoring everything that you just said, if you were to recommend me for position with the Philadelphia Eagles, what would it be? And why is it? None of them. Built in that. I'm listening, none of that. So true, true media in he's there you had your head your question. We're gonna get our headline out of this thing. Yup. Yeah. You know, I would I would happily recommend you for scouting assistant position put in the twenty twenty club in, you know, see where it goes from there to me, it's I mentioned this before actually mentioned this to a tummy call who interviewed me for a PC was writing on this similar subject. Where do I see the people that are doing this work in a public space in terms of the team setting, I work with and our friends with plenty of people that are doing this. I have respect for the valuations of plenty of people that are doing this in public forum, but I go back to the easiest thing to do in the whole business. Watch players and everything after that gets harder, including the logistics of watching players when you're doing it for a team like, if I want to sit down today in the comfort of my own home, which is where I'm at presently. And I wanna watch the top player in college football. And write a report on put it on website. I do that. I do that right now. And I can do that under with no constraints. And again, whatever time if I wanna take a break and go play with my kid or use the bathroom or whatever else. That's cool. That's not how it works days with teams Ida grade twelve guys in day incisions to make now. We gotta get got. Yeah. Or you're going to be at some school. You've only got three hours to watch film in your room, seven other scouts in someone else's running the remote a little dose of that at the, the senior bowl with excess film room. That's happened for someone to sit down in under no constraints. Come up with one accurate report is an awesome skill set to enhance for someone sit down under constraints. With ten accurate reports is a different deal in. So it just a scale ability thing in it. It's not insurmountable. Other people to do it known these guys were born with that they all had a learn how to do that. So I do think that, that's something that other people can learn. I just I like to set it up, as, again, you're gonna take jumps from these worlds so day, one of the class. Right. They wanna catch. Chambliss yet. So I put this article in front, everybody day, one of the class about elevating yourself from world world in it. So high school player that has to elevate themselves play the college level in the college players elevate themselves play professional level in our world. Right. That terms selected by that authored represent that. It's not a linear progression issue jumping entirely different world than you have to master that world. Okay. This is not dissimilar from where I sit right now. It's yeah, I've seen people of all backgrounds, make the jump from world to world, but being good at the evil world does not make you a good scout in the context of how that jobs presently constructed if they redo ring, and they just have people, you know, teams go to one hundred scouts all working virtually all grading ten players week in the comfort of their own home didn't get, I think there's all bunch of people that can have a job but the way they're doing it right now. I know that pipeline is not a linear progression. Ten people in a day would literally kill may. I think the vetting process would be very messy for me. So I appreciate if you didn't put my name out there, I like to stay withdraw that from consideration. I appreciate that, Dan, Dan. That's all I got as far as the questions for you today. It was absolute pleasure. Once again, getting to sit down with you, which remind the listeners where they can find you. They can find your word. Oh, well, I'm usually pontificating about something on Twitter, seeing find me Dan underscore happened there. And then you'll find the academy at the scout academy way more educational over on that side of thanks trying to put out there for you guys to enjoy. Then if you have any questions you can Email me directly at director at scouting academy dot com. I'm happy to help in any way that I can thank you so much driven by them. All these Ravin. Gene.

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Alabama-Clemson Recap, Charles Davis Interview

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

34:14 min | 2 years ago

Alabama-Clemson Recap, Charles Davis Interview

"And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks what's up everybody. DJ Bucky here on move the sticks. And the college football season has come to a close and buck that was a fireworks show for a Finnish. Yeah. Unbelievable. But this is exactly what you want to see you want to see the two best teams you want to see the best players play their best, and I won't say the Alabama played their best game. But man, I was thoroughly entertained by watching a bunch of guys that we know we will see on Sundays lot NFL players on that field. And I don't want to bury the lead. Here had a one game lead coming into the picks book. All you gotta do is finish you just gotta finish. And I picked Alabama went with Nick Sabin. And and thanks a lot Nick he them. And now we've got can't win for the nine hundred year in a row. Unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, it's just kind of a believable. Go ahead. You ask your head co-head jump on there. You can jump on there and patch yourself on the back there. But you want again you and sell shared the title. Good. It feels good to be a co champion one outright the first two years this year. I co champ would Solly we kind of do a little Nebraska Michigan. I'll say he's Michigan. I'm Nebraska because we know who would have won that game tonight. Ninety seven and overall. It's cool. You know, it's Clemson two and three years, and I'll say this even though I picked Clemson to win that game. None of us all twenty eight point just but up that was that was the supplies for tell the truth. Can't tell the truth. Because no matter who I picked you had to pick the opposite to have a chance to win. If you didn't have to would you have picked Clemson to win the game. Of course, you're full of it. You would have picked Alabama, of course, and writing I Clinton a buck. This was the thought first of all we'll get to the players here in a second. But this was overwriting thought I had we talked about this a little bit off air, man. I'm just watching and I know they're winning. So that a two different. But watching how happy and how much fun and just you want your kid, and you wanna go spend three or four years someplace in watching Clemson and saying, okay, we can play the highest level, and I can have all that fun or go to Alabama where even when you win. It's just it's just tense. I mean, I think what Phil Phil savage is book was what fourth and goal every day. That's the mindset their Alabama. Now, they've they've produced a lot of great NFL players as a young as a seventeen year old kid. You gotta go spend the next three years. And you know, you're going to win it either place. Why would you ever album over? Clemson. That's my question. You know, the funny thing I kind of break this up, and I think he can be broken down into three s fun family and future. You go to clips, and you're gonna have a lot of fun. They're gonna treat you like family and your future is going to be an opportunity to play into prose because you're surrounded by great do's, and they have quite a pipeline. I don't know why you wouldn't want to go to Clemson the way they have it rolling now. And from scouting standpoint. Like, I made this note observation when I looked at them on the field with Alabama. I I believe like there's only handful of teams that are what we call like those premier programs that have the elite guys where scouts are kind of the flocking to wash them. But when I look at Clemson, and I'm looking at the way, they're built I'll feel like in watching that game. They had more explosive athletes in Alabama, and it sounded crazy. To say that out loud. But I felt like Clemson was faster there were more athletic than Alabama. And I think it showed up and some of those plays that they made on the outside. There were kind of scramble tosses that turned into touchdowns the team speed for Clemson to me was a little overwhelming. And it's red that you see that. When you see an Alabama team play, the so you said this you brought up this point. You said there's five teams in college football now, Clemson, Georgia. Bama, Ohio State and Oklahoma. If I'm if I'm I got those right? Maybe LSU you can throw in there. But that's about it though. Yeah. The Irish level on. In terms of in terms of like NFL like like they look like an NFL team when they walk onto the field. Like in terms of the way, their size of stash that what you can take like you're talking about to me. I would say Notre Dame and Oklahoma might both be it might be fun nuts, really a natural. And I know everybody said Oklahoma Georgia, I get that. But I just don't know if they're going to be able to navigate those teams you'd have to navigate because Oklahoma's a lopsided team and really Notre Dame somewhat of a lopsided team more defense than offense. I look at what Clemson and Alabama can do offensively and defensively. I look at what Ohio State and Georgia could do offensively. And defensively. I think those are the four teams have a chance to be excellent. And with loaded with NFL dudes on the line of scrimmage on both sides. And then had the skill talent as well. It might even just be fourteen. Buck. Yeah. I mean, you very well. Maybe right on that. You know, like when you when you think about when we used to go on the road and scout. And we love to go to certain schools, and you stand on the field, and you just spend your time. Wow. I think that is a net. Brought me to another thing that I I looked at. And I say like the team building lesson that I would take from Clemson quarterback office of skill players in D Langas goes because those areas to me this showed up in that game quarterback is elite even though he's a true freshman their skill gas are explosive they're letting and they're big big fast and physical which which will and then on the defensive line. They can just hit you ways and ways of guys I think if you go into Bill a premier program being in college or in the pros, I don't think you can go wrong using that kind of model. So my my formula had told you about the the history of the playoff was if you if you look at the games every single one of our one by the team with the better. Offensive line. Now, Quinton Williams is is I think is the best defense alignment in that game last night. And they've got roquan Davis have got some good players. But I think maybe the collection of talent for Clemson. You could make a case that collection of their defensive line was even was even better than Alabama's. Yeah. I mean, I think so I think out Dexter Lawrence. Yeah. I think the difference. And I came into this thinking that without Dexter. Clemson would be exposed in terms of the inability, and they couldn't really stop the Roman. Alabama rented the turnovers were problematic in big issue. But the F lettuces of Christian Wilkins and some of the other guys in terms of being able to run and chase things down. They were able to Russian. Yeah. Thomas create pressure in and do some things that we really haven't seen people do against Alabama. We see in Georgia, whatever. But I just believe with Clemson and with Alabama Georgia, Ohio State, and maybe like those teams have the collection of elite athletes and players to. To kind of set themselves apart from the rest of the college football world thoughts on the quarterback there in Trevor Lawrence, man. Look, he's everything that we thought he would be obviously you and I had opportunity to watch him couple summers ago when he was in the elite eleven the opening he and Justin feels and I know that this conversation for the next year. So was going to be all about Trevor Lawrence. But I'm just going to urge people don't forget about Justin feels because there are a lot of people that were there. There were two that Justin feels is on par and maybe even better than Trevor Lawrence. We may have to wait a year. So to see him at Ohio State, but I think in what is draft last two Huby twenty twenty one twenty one. Yeah, potentially. We will talk about those two guys being joined at hip. I just think now the way that kids are throwing the ball more in highschool the way, they're playing football year round seven seven and the like we're getting a more developed quarterback than we've ever seen. And I think Trevor Lawrence's ability. To play on a big stage to win a national championship. As a true. Freshman speaks to how the game has changed over the last decade when it comes to development of the young players, and you mentioned seeing these guys highschoolers up there at the opening and Trevor Lawrence. I mean, he was he was outstanding up their book. But I I left that weekend just watching for two days and watch these guys at seven on seven. I not you're not playing with pads on I I left there thinking that Justin feels even better. I mean, that's got to get you fired up. If you're Ohio State to know, you've got that level of talent coming in your direction. I don't think he lost a seven on seven game tournament. Is you know, they're up there playing game after game after game. I don't think Justin feels lost one up. There was throwing it all over the place in can move around. I both these kids are special we've seen it. Now. Trevor Lawrence, I think we'll have states going to see it here pretty quick with this kid to. Oh, absolutely. I think we are going to see it. I think the way that the game has changed in these guys being better prepared to be able to step on the field right away and play is a game changer. And you know, like is funny. We always talk about coaching in Xs and os and the like, but man, I had a coach told me this the other day when I was talking to him on the phone. He said you will never find a hall of fame coach who hasn't coached hall of fame players, meaning that when you want to win national titles, and you want to be a program that fancies himself as the elite, you bet acquire elite players, and I think the difference between the haves and the have not strictly comes down to the personnel. And I know we want to transition here to your conversation that you had with Charles Davis yesterday bought before we get to that. I'm like to hit you with breaking news on here. But we did it on the last time, I guess you will guessing lower. So I've got some more for you here. Because now it's being reported by our in Rappaport that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are focused on hiring Aaron cardinals former Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians as their new coach, the interest is mutual negotiations are likely to begin soon in the words of Ian. Here we go. I mean, but I think that's actually a perfect fit it. Here's why believe is a perfect fit for aeriens tourists going. They need to get James going. A lot of the comparisons day. We have for James coming out. Big Ben Rothlisberger who wanted to formative guys around Big Ben Rothlisberger. It was Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians was also around Andrew luck. He is develop quarterbacks particularly dropback quarterbacks in vertical passing game. He does a great job with that. When he looks at the Tampa Bay job offensively. They have weapons already on the outside. They have a playmaker. And Mike Evans have two tight ends in OJ Howard and Cameron break to have another guy that is emerging who's the other little young receiver of state God Pissy Godwin. So they have weapons they just need to get the defense going. And if he comes with who I think he's coming with entries bowls. I just liked the way this situation plays out. And who knows if they can ever get anybody. Can run the ball do some of the things that you'd like to do with the running game. Why can't they just jump back into the mix because this is a team that we've talked about being on the come. I think Bruce as is the right coach effort Jaamus. I think you need a grizzled heart head coach to get into finally play the way that we think that he could play. Our let me ask you a question here there was there was a coach at Arizona named Bruce Arians that had a young rookie running back at a northern Iowa who named David Johnson. If I recall buck, I think he played pretty well in that system. I'm trying to think of somebody maybe with similar skill set that might be agent. Oh, you thinking thinking this guy last year fresh legs Bill going to Tampa say tax. See that could you see that marriage taking place. You know, he does have a way with players that I fit different personalities like he would be a nice fit Kesse ball out the backfield because there's different under the jets. Everybody's kind of said bell end up being jet. I'm telling you I wouldn't sleep on Tampa. Oh, I think I think depending on the coach I think Bruce Arians, I think Bruce Arians. Look he took Honey badge in. They've had a bunch of different personalities in Arizona. He was able to kind of manage the locker room and controlling and get those guys to play the right style. And one thing that we know Bruce Arians like he loves good players, and he'll find a way to put play makes in a situation to make place that would be a really really good fit. So there you go. That's we'll see if that gets done here might be done by the time. You're listening to this. We'll see what happens with the rest of these coaching openings, though, be fascinating to watch. All right. Let's get to your conversation. You had with our good, buddy. Charles davis. There's nobody better in the business. He will be on the call for the eagles and the saints this Sunday, and you had a chance to catch up with them. Just the other day. It is always a good time. When I get to bring on man. I mean, this guy we go way back Charles Davis. A FOX analyst you're actually doing the FOX for forty game. This Sunday the New Orleans Saints in the Philadelphia Eagles CD so much to talk to you about especially when it comes to the league. But how you doing? I'm doing great Bucky. It's always a pleasure to talk with you. And you're right. We go way back the only way never covered you if we played against each other. So I was glad that I missed that timeframe that worked out better for me. We get the chance to interact this way this way. I can I got a chance to try to keep up the way what they play. Play you play modest. But one thing that I do know you always keep up with what's going on in the league and coming off that first weekend Welker weekend of games. A couple of things stood out to me defense is standing out because they're keeping points down. And then quarterback experienced really, really matters. What did you see when you look at last weekend's games? Well, I'm gonna get can I stay with what you brought up. I because I think you an IRA of similar mindset right now when season was going on obviously explore offenses were exploding like crazy. And that's all we talked about. Right. And and I think our Nate. Dear was the Rams chief game, right? That Monday night game and everybody in the leaves. Oh, my God these defenses have no shot anymore. And then I thought, and I don't know what you thought I'm eager to get get your you get what you what you believe about this. I thought that the defense is get back into the game in the New Orleans. Dallas Thursday night game. You have thirteen. Ten I thought that that you know, the pendulum swinging so far offense eternally. And then when Dallas did what they did to hold New Orleans to ten even though Dallas didn't even score in the second half and won the ball game. And then we start seeing more and more of those games. And you've been around the league you played in the league. You you've been a scout. In the league. Isn't it? Interesting every year when we get to play off time. I don't care. What sport we're talking about defense kicks in right hockey scoring goes down in the playoff basketball scoring goes down in the playoffs. I think football scoring is no different because people scout you to with an inch of your life. You know, every possession is so critical. I think people take extra time that takes a little bit of time on the clock out of the game right on down the line. And then to your point about the quarterbacking. I talked in the last two three weeks. I talked to different general managers at one player personnel director in the league Indus. Pendant of each other. I asked him all the same question. What scares you most about your team heading into the playoffs? Or what scares you the most? When you get into the playoffs, and they all said the same thing number one. What's our health? Which is you know is paramount. But number two who's playing quarterback for the other team. He because that's where it all begins and ends for them. And all of them said the same thing. I don't care how good the young quarterbacks. Are if it's a veteran who's a good player. He scares me more playoff time until the young kid proves himself. And so that's what my homes has to go through this year. Right. Goth got caught in it last year. Didn't he Bucky? Yup. I mean that that first game. It wasn't all on him. I felt like the Rams is the team looked up and went whoa. Whoa. Whoa. What is this and Atlanta had been there and got them? So I just wanted to kind of stay with your vein 'cause I thought it was very important. And you and I are sharing a similar thoughts. You know, as you say that like, you're absolute. Absolutely right as the tipping point being the Cowboys because I've always been a believer. And I've talked to many coaches who believe this the real football stores after thanksgiving. You probably hit about the ninth or tenth game of the season. Dependencies are beginning to kind of show themselves and defensive coordinators. We can talk about offensive wizardry and gurus defensive coordinators of smart. They've made a judgment and then to your second point about the quarterbacks. I absolutely believe that the experience matters in the playoffs. You have been around the game long enough you've called playoff games. It's a little different in the playoffs into into regular season. Things happened a little faster. It's a little more physical and the consequences of poor decisions matter more experienced quarterbacks understand it, and they kind of settle in young quarterbacks. It takes about a half for them to kinda get into that that mind frame. And I think the game that you're calling where we have now Nick foles taking on the New Orleans Saints. What can we make about the Nick foles phenomenon you really? It is one of the better things that we've seen in a while in terms of all of us trying to analyze what does it truly mean? Because I don't know that there's one answer that solves it all and with Nick foles, if certainly appears to me that the smaller doses in the play offs of Nick foles are different than when you get the full dose of nickels nickels and what I mean by that is he had the one great year with Philadelphia twenty seven touchdown to interception. And you know, the irony is if I'm using the word ironic correctly. I hope I am guess guess we lost two in the playoffs that year who's raising the saints and at home. Chip Kelly's offense. And you remember he had that incredible year. He set the record. He did all the things that he did. But remember the other opportunities Nick foles had to be a starter in the league. Yeah. You didn't walk away saying that's my quarterback for the next five to ten years. Did you you always like, okay? Who else do we have? And even the start of this year the sense. I get I don't know what you what you heard. But what I got out of Philadelphia's that they own they were kinda hoping they could go a little bit longer before they brought Carson Wentz back. Yeah. Yeah. And it got to the point where did where they felt like they kind of had to bring him back. Didn't they? And here we are again the second year in a row over fold has turned it around. And there's Carson Wentz onto smile on the sideline at the be thinking to himself again a second year like this. And and off we go but his experience in the playoffs helped him this year. Breeze of obviously has experiences won the Super Bowl. I thought to your point that yesterday in that yesterday. But on Sunday we saw what your point was about young quarterbacks old quarterback. It'd be better quarterback Philip rivers. Lamar Jackson it kinda show. It showed up that day. Didn't it when the mar- finally got his legs under he played pretty well down the stretch. But throughout Philip rivers did enough could make things go. Well, and never made the big mistake against a very good defense. No interceptions. No turnovers that was huge in. Chargers win. You know, that that is the big thing is nuts. Necessarily that you have to win the game. You can't go lose the game. And you brought up the Nick foles. Carson Wentz debate is one thing that I'm wondering if this continues to play out is it better have the winning quarterback in a Nick foles or the franchise quarterback Carson Wentz because we could be looking at a situation where Nick foles goes to the championship game or even to a Super Bowl. We have seen him win. When we said that the competition and the pressure is at his peak. You have never seen Carson wins. Do that. How do you hitch who do you hit your wagon to even though we know that Carson Wentz is a better player? This other guy has been a winner. And he knows interesting about that Bucky is that if we if you and I are having this conversation last year, I'm not going to speak for you. I'll throw mine out there and you follow if that's okay. I would've said unequivocally give me went. That's my franchise quarterback. He was. Playing at a an all pro level MVP level when he got hurt last year. And I don't care how well full plays in shorts short stint. Even if we win a Super Bowl. And they did I want wins for the long haul. I've invested in him. He's a better player overall. And I've seen foles ride the rollercoaster. Now, we're doing two years in a row. Let's say we do what you said. And and they get they get, you know, the possibility that they get to the Super Bowl heck win it whatever just getting there will be more than enough which way do you go because one of the things I just looked up and I just had it sent to me. And it was very interesting to put it mildly. Okay. You gotta love this one. Nick foles. Right in this season now with Carson with with excuse me with alshon Jeffery because you can see the connection is there. I believe he is like twenty three of twenty seven throwing alshon Jeffery down the stretch in the season. And I don't think that we ever saw went and Jeffrey make that same connection. We saw Winston earth yet. But not Winston Jeffrey. So it's a very interesting deal. How certain quarterback certain receivers get together, they find it. And they do it. I still think in the long haul. I my money is on Carson Wentz. But your locker room may very well fake guys. We've got a two Super Bowls. You know, how can how can we replace it? And that's where it's going to be very interesting yet is very fascinating off-season the other side, the New Orleans Saints don't have that kind of situation with drew Brees. But what is interesting you didn't older quarterback? They in the postseason. Everyone is ready to come to punch their ticket to the Super Bowl because they're playing at home. What are some of the issues that you see when you've been able to study to New Orleans Saints? Well, I think they've got to get make sure they're off offense of line healthy lucky 'cause down the stretch. I thought I thought during the middle of the season I had them at Cincinnati. And I thought their offensive line was functioning the best in in pro football, Armstead left tackle, ramczyk it, right? Tackle you could lead Pete inside at left guard. You know, you get oh, God pufus anarchy Unger. Max older, you think that the pivot, you know, they were they were strong warford plan right guard. And you know, he just moves people especially in the run game. And they were functioning so. Well. But they've taken some dings down the stretch and had to you know, be a little bit makeshift. If they've got all their guys up in healthy that'll be huge for breeze because then you can do whatever you want offense of -ly, you know, 'cause Ingram they got going about midseason Cincinnati game. Camaro, you know, what he does scares the heck out of people the other part I with throw in there is as you pointed out defensive coordinators are going to do their best to take away. What you do really? Well, so he's gonna step up when they go ahead and double and triple Mike Thomas who's going to be the other receivers that make it happen. They draft trae Kwan Smith out of UCF. I don't know that he caught thirty balls all year. You know, Keith Kirkwood was an contracted free agent. They they activated midseason he's actually played fairly well for them. But if he going to be the guy to take the pressure off, you know, who who's going to be that other receiver to help out Mike Thomas, so that he doesn't have everyone rotating him and breeze. Having to throw into double in trip. Coverage. Yeah. It's a fascinating game. It's one wonder wise is also a little incentive motivation to eagles players are saying that the saints ran up to score the last meeting, and so it should be. It should be something that is fun to watch one thing that we will watch obviously as we continue to move down to roading and fast forward to the common and the draft, and we'll work together obviously own path to the draft quarterbacks in this class. And we just got the announcement recently Dwayne Haskins the quarterback from Ohio State is foregoing his last season to enter the league. Have you had it opportunity look at Ohio State, standout? And what are your thoughts? Bucky? I think he's the best looking pro prospect coming out this year of the quarterback position. I was waiting for his official announcement because you know, we work at NFL network. We gotta be very careful about underclass. But now that he's made the announcement in announces attention. I think we're okay to actually talk about it. Right. Yep. So I think he's the best looking pro prospect. And I thought that when I watched during the season, you know, he is a black quarterback. And the only reason I bring that up is we often get the official as soon as you hear your black quarterback. The next thing you read in analysis, boys. He asked let it he. Well, he's an athlete, but he his legs are the least amount lease things going to scare you. But he moves well with pocket presence. He can climb the pocket. Well, he slides well in the pocket, he does all of those things, but he's going to beat you with his, arm and his mind. I before he beat you with his legs. He looks like the prototypical old school NFL quarterback. But you have to look at the prism of two thousand eighteen meaning most of his games from gun right in the old days. We about under center this. Well, a lot of the proteins a plan from gun. So it's not the same issue. It was before the Bucky to me he steps. Back there. He stands in that pocket. He makes his movement from that pocket. He read the surveys, he scanned. He goes through his progressions all the terms you want. And then he is accurate throwing the football. I mean that balls in the places supposed to be not just hitting a receiver. You know people. Forget Tim Tiba was like a sixty five percent thrower in college. But you can tell people better than I can the windows are wide open in college because receivers are usually better. Yep. And the defensive backs that they're playing against in the NFL that flattens out. So you're accuracy really comes into play this kid. I think is is that guy to me he ascends the top of that quarterback class. And the giants were sitting there at number six. They may have to make a move up to make sure no one else jumps up there. Because to me. He's a perfect fit is alive. Manning's era parent draft him. He doesn't have to play next year you play manning one more year memories of redshirt sophomore. And then. Can go ahead and take over because I think the other guys whoever you wanna bring up there's some good prospects in there. But to me Haskins looks like the number one guy as I'm starting this process. A completely agree nothing. If anyone watched him perform the Rose Bowl you saw him get off to a hot start. You can see him. Check all the boxes in terms of size on talent poise pocket presence ability to really use all of the field. I think the biggest thing that he is going to have to overcome is going to be the lack of experience when people talk about it being a one year starter. Obviously we saw Mr. Bisky go number two overall couple of seasons ago with only thirteen collegiate starts it'd be a similar conversation when we began to come to dig into Haskins. But the thing that we do know he is certainly talented with our STAN. No doubt. And you're right about that with the Trubisky comparison because one year starter what really impressed me about half Skains, even though he was it one year starter. Do you remember two years ago? The Michigan game you hit a chance to jump in. And he had to jump in 'cause AT Barrett with her kids showed me a lot that day because you know, without rivalries like, and, you know, the weight of the world that's on you and state Michigan game and this kid came in and handled it, and I thought Hm who is this guy. And remember he beat out Joe borough who just threw for three ninety four and four again. Yes, it was a very talented very fast football team, and I didn't expect out of borough. I don't know about you. But expect ever to see him go three ninety four and four minutes, but still that's who has to beat down borough transferred. LSU hate Martell when not prospects in the nation is at Ohio State. And they gave him a couple of gimmick. Plays a game. But he was never close to be not Haskins this kid's talented and the real deal. And I just don't know if we can stick to the Bill Parcells, you know, twenty six starts three starter. I don't know. We can stay there anymore because the game's not like that. Yeah. The the game is certainly changed and speaking of change cliff Kingsbury, former head coach of Texas Tech the current office coordinator for USC is being interviewed by a couple of teams as a potential hit coach. What are your thoughts on him? Especially after he failed at Texas Tech in the big will. Yeah, you know, Bucky it feels to me forces the wrong word, but it feels to me like those who are hipped on getting the next offensive genius feel like I can plug in a head coach in surround him with the other people as long as I'm getting that often to vacuuming it'd be much more comfortable with with clip Kingsbury as. In OC in the NFL as opposed to being a head coach only because he's going to walk through that door. And remember he's not walking in and talking eighteen to twenty two year olds you were in those locker rooms that person walks through that door matters, doesn't it? You know, we we act like it's just the video game Madden and Kenny draw plays. He's got a command the locker room and command respect both sides of the ball guys. From twenty two years old all the way to forty It's got it's gotta be the deal. And I just don't know that I it again, it feels like, hey, we can do it with. He's offense of guy we can make this thing work. I don't know if it's the best situation 'cause I hear that about all these college coaches in some of them can make the jump some of them. It feels like I'm just trading for the offense like Lincoln, Riley it Oklahoma. I think Lincoln Riley made the best movie could make which state Oklahoma absolute down the road could very well be an NFL coach, I think at this stage of his career he was smart enough to know himself and stay Pat FitzGerald a defensive guy. Maybe he could command it. I think that, you know, overall, probably, but I think he's a college coach through and through. Yeah. I think he understood that about himself, and he stayed others may wanna make that mistake if you're clip kings brain someone offered you a job. Why would you say, no? But to me offensively. I would want him head coach. I'd be skeptical about that at this stage. Yeah, I think is fascinated this off season is going to be just so interesting to watch from head coach coaches going forward to what we see when a twenty nineteen class reveals itself and the east-west at the senior bowl at the combine it into the draft. I can't wait to do more and more stuff with you. Thanks so much for coming on. And joining us today CD. Hey, thanks for having me Bucky. I can't wait to do the same to pick in your brain is always on the learn these guys trying to get right? But it's always fun to get started on that process. Isn't it? It's going to be a heck of a process as we get foc get closer closer to draft in Nashville. A will thank somebody CD. Thank you bucket. You take care. Oh, there you have it the great Charles Davis buck. I hate that. I couldn't couldn't be there for that conversation. We went a little bit long on the on the aftermath. So when able to generate I love CD, he is the best in definitely appreciate him taking some time and always offer some interesting insight there. Amen love having that conversation. He knows so much about so many different things as I don't cliff Kingsbury to me was remarkable. And fascinating. And then the breakdown on the games. I just can't wait to see how all of this stuff plays out division around weekend. The continuing hiring psycho when it comes to the coaches just a lot to process and take in but CD all on it. He's the best. So appreciate him taking some time for its here on move, the sticks. That's going to do it for us today. Thank you so much for listening for we've got some of those some new reviews on their on apple podcast. Appreciate you guys. 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I find a way to get a conversation with Andrew Brandt because I have to because he is not only longtime Green Bay Packers vice president player finance now. He's back in the agent game as an expert in the business of pro football which is why has the business of sports podcasts, which as always a highly recommend that you guys, check out and dry wanna start this week with the Houston Texans when we last spoke on Friday, you know, the tampering charges were still going on. Well, here we are on Wednesday and it's kind of a weird situation because the Texans agreed to stop pursuing Nick Caserio and in exchange the patriots dropped their tampering charges. There are reports that Caserio wants out there reports at the Texans. I might even go with Bill O'Brien and his Jack Easterby as co interim GM's. I mean this is one of the craziest situations. I've seen in a while. Yeah. Day, Ross, this is something that's going to linger for awhile. And you know, with all these moves at this time of year, we talked about McTaggart, and then the jets couple of weeks ago. It was always the back story. You know, right. There's always some kind of back story and often, it's miscommunication lack of communication lack of trust between the powerbrokers and we talked about last week. How Bill Brian at one the power struggle there. And you mentioned this mysterious Easter be, but there seems to be even more intrigues. You talked about what we didn't talk about last time. And you didn't even mention in the in the question. Discrimination Clinton's and listen, this is an organization that was under fire with the inmates running the asylum comment from Mr. McNair years ago couple of years ago, and it's a very sensitive matter. When we talk about some racial discrimination claims a lawsuit being filed an employee there against Brian gain, who's now departed. But of course, whatever he did was under the watch of the Texans who was employed by at the time. So these are all lingering questions that, as you know, there will be lawyers. This is going to take a long time to sort out. Does gain get his money does O'Brien. Get the power wants. What about no GM? How's it going to work? So I think we're left with more questions than answers because the continuing to Bree that's coming out of this includes. Age. Discrimination includes Bill O'Brien's power play. No GM coming out of it was something that I think we'll be talking about for a while. Well, and it's funny that you say that Andrew because I look at it. And thank you know, here we have a head coach in Bill O'Brien, who has basically run off or gotten rid of his second GM now. I mean he's the one reason why Rick Smith is no longer there and Houston. He wanted Brian gain. He got Brian gain after a year he moves on from Brian gain ostensibly because they wanted to get Nick Caserio who now they can't get. And now you've got these two guys that might be interim GM's for the season. I mean, I feel like actually Andrew, if this were the jets or the Browns and maybe the Texans get a little bit of credit because they've had more success on the field. But I feel like if this were the jets are the Browns, this should be like, all anybody would be talking about. Yeah. And the other part of this, as you just mentioned, the Caserio part, if we take this to the New England part of things, wow. You know, this is a report again, it's a report, but someone unhappy and wanting out of the Bill Bill check empire of the of the fame New England Patriots with all their success. And then how does this. Resolve is this going to linger all year where we have a GM that doesn't wanna be there and a team that's still wants him down in Texas. So, yeah, I mean, I think this one. I don't know. I mean, are we going to going to be talking in September where the Texans still don't have GM and Nicosia rose still running the patriots? Once we heard about some friction points here in June. You're right. You know, that, that there will be that'd be lawyers. They'll be a lot of d'etre tests coming out of this situation. I think well, and that's, that's brings up a whole other question which is if you're the patriots, and Nick Caserio has been there, since I think, two thousand and two, maybe two thousand three I think it's kind of weird, especially on the personnel side that they would want to keep him, you know, if he wants to leave as the reports indicate and really if the tech center just keeping the seat one forum in through with these two guys on an interim basis. I mean if you're the patriots, you know, how do you feel like he's going to be working for you? How much do you think mitt Caserio 's really going to be doing for you, and how much is he kind of prepping and getting ready for the job you're going to take what the Texans? And then there's something else would even haven't talked about -posedly. Texans, contact Caserio not knowing about a clause in his contract that they couldn't contact. Well, okay, we can laugh at the Texans for not knowing or for overstepping the bounds. But one about Caserio. Or his lawyer or his agent is he listening to the Texans knowing they can't hire him based on his contract. I don't you know there's so much about this that everyone kind of laughs at the teams beyond the patriots because the patriots are the patriots. But wait a minute. It's it takes two to Tango, if we're sort of bemoaning the Texans for look at this. They don't even know about the contract. They can't even higher Caserio and cow. Mcnair talks about craft all good. Sorry, no problem. No harm. No foul. But wait, I'm Nick Caserio and his agent know about the contract. So why aren't they telling the Texans don't even make a call? So you know, every time you something, I'm like, oh, yeah. And there's that so yeah there's a whole thirty for thirty about this. That's, that's we don't know about yet. And even the that clause. I'm not familiar with it. He's not the GM with the patriots. He does not have final say over the roster. Bella check, does the Texas would give that to him what whatever clause there isn't his contract. I'm not even familiar with that, and that it can't be customary because I've never heard this happening before me. It's well and. Listen. We all know something different about the patriots. They're the only team run by coach in terms of personnel side, and that in itself makes these clauses probably a little different than other people. So I think we're going to find out more and. I'm aware. I'm like you, if you if you go from someplace, you don't have final say to place you do have final say what's wrong with that? But it sounds like he's even prevented from doing that. I don't get it. Let's stay in the AFC south Andrew because a couple of things came up recently with the Jacksonville Jaguars and I wrote about him, you know, for my column at the athletes this week. It's kind of crazy. I mean, you've got everything that happened with them last year with the on field suspensions the all field arrests all that stuff. And now you're in a situation where this is supposed to be the dead time of year. And you've got telvision Smith who put on Instagram that he's taking the year off, but reportedly didn't talk to the team posting on Instagram that the team find a mediate dollars for skipping minicamp, and then Leonard fournette and Jalen Ramsey. Both of whom have been Kyle. In the doghouse with Coughlan and Marrone, a couple of times posting a video in which Ramsey says, you know, I'm going to ask for an ungodly amount. You're not gonna get a discount me. Now, I guess, I want you to reaction a boat those things it just seems like a weird culture there. And maybe start with the television Smith thing where he posted on his. He's not playing this year but still hasn't talked with the team. And I think that's probably why they find them as much as anything. We think of the Jaguars we think just like top down. With Philip Brian, we think of top down with Tom Coughlin. He is the ultimate law and order by the book disciplined GM, but we haven't seen that with Leonard fournette, and now Jalen Ramsey some, not sure what's going on those two players, obviously have a lot of leverage because of their talent, the Taliban Smith thing, I guess you give it a little more leeway because they have to dot their is cross their t's, make sure that it's in paper, the lawyers telling them documented if you're gonna find them, just in case, so I guess, I give them a bit of a pass, that might be more legal oriented than sort of doing something out of the norm. But I just don't get what's going on Jacksonville. It seems like despite having this law and order tresident things are a little out of out of sorts down there. That was my point Andrew. It's like if you hire Tom Coughlin and Doug Marrone. You're hiring them for discipline. If it appear. Ears to be the least disciplined team in the NFL, then what? What? What good are they? Why do you even have them? Yeah. I guess we'll go back to my comment. My Twitter ISM, which is greater talent equals greater tolerance. Can you imagine? If this was a down the line player doing this in the Jacksonville Jaguars system with Tom Coughlin he'd be gone in a heartbeat. But I don't know it seems like the players we mentioned, and of course, Tobin Smith is a good player, not even talking to them about his decision, which seems very odd. But that's where we are with the Jaguars and it'll be interesting to see what goes on with the, you know, the new team with Nick foles, and he seems like quite a missing piece that they could be successful with. Yet last question I had for you. Andrew, Josh mccown retired and got all kinds of kudos and deservedly. So clue guy, you know, at journeyman everybody loved them, you know what are you? What's your experience with guys that is wanted in the locker room or in meeting rooms for whatever reason more so than just the skills they brought onto the field? Did you ever have a problem with that? Or did you understand it now? I got it. I mean they're glue guys kind of an overused phrase, but just someone to hold things together. You know, when I think of Josh mccown player like that, I think of now a Super Bowl winning coach who's right where we are in the Philadelphia region, Doug Peterson, you know, he was that guy. Everyone knows Brett farve could be a little bit. Crazy. And from three years we had him in Aaron Rodgers kinda the new guy that's going to be the replacement of southern the southern Mississippi and you have California cool. And and there are glue guy in that locker in that quarterback room was Doug Peterson. And you kinda need that. And sometimes they have value beyond talent and everything. Like you said, the kudos are a real for Josh mccown. Just just you talked to anyone. And they're just they're glowing about him and what he did for Sam darnold. And as I note on Twitter fifty million over ten seasons. 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I Russell start today with something you touchdown with Andrew. It's Josh mccown he's retiring after seventeen years and ten teams in the NFL. You know, funny Bri, this would be this is like a good topic for tuck heads because this was a topic that I talked about on my radio show. So the cool thing about the radio show is that you have the interaction, right? You know, like it's, it's live so people can call in people can tweet at you. While you're on the air and you can respond to it. That's kind of what's cool about about tuck kids. But anyway, we were going over and you can check my Twitter timeline at Ross Tucker NFL for the mentions for this kind of cool to go over people's, favourite journeyman, you know, other than me, of course, but people's favourite journeyman mainly journeyman quarterbacks. Of course. Mine is Ryan Patrick, but mccown's up there to love mccown as a guy. As a player love the career that he had and. Yeah. I think kudos to him for a great career retiring. And he's already getting a gig with ESPN which is great. I actually thought Josh get into coaching, and maybe he still will, but I think maybe all his kids are still in school. He wants to he wants to do this. Jeez. Smell the quarterback needs. Aclu's Matthew Stafford played last season with a fracture in his back. And how about the other quarterback news of Dangel Jones giants rookie was booed at a Yankees game on Monday night. Right. So I wish the Matthew Stafford news came out before we talked to Dr Chow on Monday. Hopefully, you guys get a chance to listen to what Dr Chow had to say on Monday about Todd Gurley Sony Michelle and even Carson Wentz is back. You know, I did see Dr Chow tweeted that this is likely at transverse process thing for Stafford. And that's you know, romo's had other guys have had that maybe they missed one game Stafford I don't think missed any but there's no like concern about spinal cord and there's no real. I guess long-term concerns where you can have a fracture of something in your back and still be able to play pro football. But that doesn't mean it didn't affect him or bother him. I don't know how it couldn't right? I mean, the fact that they knew about it means it was giving him some discomfort, and that makes it hard like it pro football's hard and you add into the fact when you've got discomfort it makes it even harder especially as a quarterback throwing the ball as for the Daniel Jones thing that, that really is pathetic by giants fans or Yankees fans or whatever it really is. I mean he's twenty two years old. He's yet to play a snap. If you wanna boo Gettleman or Shurmur, because you didn't like the pick then go for it. But tabu the kid himself is pathetic and not only that, I mean, are you really a giants fan? I mean you're booing the guy that your future franchise quarterback. You're booing him before he plays it down. So you're really booing him based on. I think these people give draft analysts too much credit like I love the draft and I love Daniel, Jeremiah and Mayock when he was doing it. And Fran Duffy, and I love the guys we bring on the cows draft podcast. But man you're putting way too much stock in those guys to feel that strongly that you're booming agai before you've ever actually seen him play just based on your perception of how good he is based on what other people have said I mean think about that. That's like looney tunes humor. Watching the video of giants fans booing Phil Simms. Would he got drafted that is so funny that you say that Bri, 'cause I literally just ended my radio show? So, you know, my Sirius XM show typically how society you guys know how this works. My, my radio show, typically ends at seven, and that's usually when Brian and I record the podcast. So it is seven ten AM eastern right now. The last thing I said, on the radio literally ten minutes ago, pry was somebody tweeted me and said the giants fans booed Phil Simms. And then he became their heroes. So that shows how much they know I didn't even know that that was a little before my time. I didn't know that giants fans booed Phil Simms. But some guy tweeted me, and let me know that. And now, you're now, you're telling me that, that is the case. I didn't even know if it was true or not, it is, she should watch it on finding on YouTube. You'll find. The clip? That's funny. Why no eagles fans booed the crap out of McNabb and all he is, is the most important player in franchise history. But today Santa Claus. Yeah. People say all the time, but that's I don't even remember exactly what happened there. But I know they booed McNabb who literally is the most important player in franchise history. When you think about the, the unprecedented success that they had during his run. All right. Moving on and I'll stay in New York for a little bit talk about the jets and their impressive front office at their building. I'll stock the Packers claiming tight end. Michael Roberts off waivers from the lions and former bears coach John FOX said that. The bears had the worst off season in the NFL. Why certainly think people would would probably say that the giants had a worse off season than the bears, but I can see where, you know, people John FOX's say that, about the bears because you need to have a kicker, and they don't have one right now. So I can understand that part of it, it is just kind of comical, as many people pointed out, because John FOX is the one that cut Robbie gold in the first place. And if he had never done that, then the bears wouldn't be in this position in the first place. So it's kind of comical that John FOX the one that said that, but I can separate the two. I mean he made a bad move with Robbie gold. But he's asked who had the worst off season. And he thinks that so far, it's, you know, the bears that they haven't been able to fix the mistake that he really made. So. All right. I can I can separate. Those two, then you've got Michael, Robert. I don't know why that, that trade didn't go through with the patriots. But now he's a Packer. I mean that's why I laugh sometimes about, you know, when people talk about loyalty or whatever, and pro sports, the guy was a lion. Then he was a patriot now. He's a Packer in two days in two days. Me think about that. Right. Then you got Jo Douglas, who's going to be hiring Phil savage, whose former Browns GM who cut me at one point that, that was a poor decision by Phil, but that's the decision that he made. He also is hiring Rex HOGAN as his assistant GM, who was with the colts, as VP player personnel chat Alexander as director of player personnel, who was with the raven. So looks like a pretty good front office that Joe Douglas is putting together, which is a great sign for this. 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That is from he signs it snit lock. Do you understand why he signed it snow? Look. No, I don't know what happened there. But the guy's name is John Collins Collins spelled backwards snit lock. Oh, good, pry. That's a weird thing. I mean maybe people call him that. I don't know thirty ninth inning versity. That's amazing. John love it used the code football clicking on the radio icon in the upper right over at one hundred flowers. Nice work, Johnny boy. All right. So obviously, I would not really go in the journeyman hall of fame. There is no journeyman hall of fame. I don't think I'd go in there guys offense of Lyman did more journeying started more games played longer than I did it is funny though. Kurt Warner tweeted me last night, and said, what qualifies as a journeyman, and I want to say, like you don't Super Bowl MVP hall of Famer, you're no longer a journeyman, although he kind of is Packers Rams, you know, arena, league NFL Europe. You know, giants cardinals he kind of is juryman but it's almost like. Like some of these guys have people say are journeymen like rich Gannon or Jeff Garcia, or Vinny testaverde's Mark, Brunell. I dunno. It's like if you've ever had a franchise kind of give you the keys to the car. I feel like you're not a journeyman and Vinnie had a couple of franchises, do that in Tampa and New York, you know, you know, Jeff Garcia had that from the Niners Brunell was the man in Jacksonville. I mean, if you're ever, the man somewhere, I don't know if you're a journeyman, so it's funny. That, that's the funny timing on the Email question, John. We're talking about Josh mccown. As for your other questions. It would definitely be a bear a bills helmet. Definitely be a Bill to helmet doesn't really work that way. But if, if I if it did, it would definitely be a bills helmet for me. Just because I played the most there. And, you know, feel like I was the most the part of that team of the five that I was with. What do you mean? It doesn't work that way. You don't you don't have like a teams helmet up there on the podium with you. It's not like. It's not like baseball baseball where you have to pick what team, you're retiring as NFL is just a bust. There is no team. But there's no like hat that you're wearing your whenever. You don't have to go in as a member of a certain team, which I know in baseball is a big deal. And the NFL it doesn't there. That doesn't exist. Three people that I would have up there for my professional success, excluding friends and family. Well, that's a really good question. And I would say. Bob Wolfram my high school football coach for sure. I would say Frankford uchi my coach with the Cowboys and the Buffalo Bills. Offensive line coach and friend, those two for sure. Third one. Probably he has passed now. But probably Tony's Baranyo. 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Middlekauff: Black Monday coach firings; Mayock and Gruden; Mike Zimmer living in the past; Notre Dame a CFB Playoff fraud; NFL Playoff preview

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

51:37 min | 2 years ago

Middlekauff: Black Monday coach firings; Mayock and Gruden; Mike Zimmer living in the past; Notre Dame a CFB Playoff fraud; NFL Playoff preview

"And. Okay. What is going on John little cough renowned podcast reporting live late afternoon as I record this on a Monday also known around NFL circles as black Monday people been getting fired left. And right. I woke up this morning to the news of Mike Mayock being hired. Tons of thoughts here on black Monday on the coaches and just on everything going on. I'm gonna dive into that in one second also going to dive into Mike Zimmer looks like I was on the right side of history. Went on ran a couple of weeks ago about firing John D Filipo. It turns out the dinosaur. Kind of poked his his ugly head again yesterday in Matt Nagy in Vic Fangio and Khalil Mack. Intimacy took them to the woodshed obviously playoffs. We have the matchups Brady. I think you can't get much. Better. Just top to bottom of the games. We have on Saturday and Sunday all dive into some my thoughts their college football playoffs had some big takeaways. What what a what an awesome day in theory and then the actual game start. But you know, if you were gambling, and you fold my advice, I had Notre Dame getting rolled had Oklahoma keeping it within the fourteen points. I'm trying to make money here. And then I'm going to do a little game called word association. I'm gonna go through every team on both conferences the one through six seeds in the playoffs. And just the first word that comes to my mind kind of little radio e type segment, but it just trying to mix it up a little bit. And then we'll end with the middlekauff mail bag. You can always get in the middlekauff mailbag to slide up into my DM's at John middlekauff on Instagram. Try to do it for the kids here on Instagram slide up into my DM's, but let me start with something black Monday happen. And what did we see? All the coaches got fired. But none of the GM's got fired. I know Mike Mayock was just introduced a couple of thoughts on that here in a second. But Reggie McKenzie had been fired for a long time among our plus. But you look at the jets you look at the cardinals you'll go the buccaneers, obviously the Browns the Packers Jim safe. I started thinking why do coaches get fired, but general managers don't like think about that? All these coaches are fired. A none of the gentleman's lose their job. When you looked at the New York Jets, Mike mcalinden who hired Todd Bowles they came in at the same time built a roster that Jamal Adams yesterday, basically called the entire roster. I don't think he was including Sam darnold, but every other player on the team gutless heartless said we have no dogs. Steve kind the general manager for the. Arizona Cardinals started the season off first off he hired Wilks in one of the big stories when he hired Steve Wilks was they had like met over the offseason the previous year when they were on vacation in like the Gulf of Mexico or something they met on a beach. Both worked in the NFL start talking had a friendship, and that's how it all started. He got a DUI in the summer this off season. I guess it's still two thousand eighteen on the fourth of July. I'm recording this on New Year's Eve, if you a DUI on the fourth of July or on New Year's Eve, two things, you're either alcoholic or your idiot. Worst case you're combination of the two. So if you're a multimillionaire, and you get a D wide he had a bad DUI and people like what do you mean a bed? Do you? I hope you is all now you can put context things in bad things in the context. Not all DUI's created equal when you blow like three o on fourth of July. That's an awful DUI. When you go point. Oh, wait on Wednesday afternoon after a work meeting. Yeah. I mean, it's a bad decision. But I look at it a little differently. They kept his job. He hired Wilks that he fired him and got to keep his job. John Elway who is basically the pseudo owner in Denver said he made this decision by starting this morning by looking in the mirror was like. John the guy you saw the mirror was Vance Joseph because that's fired. But why do coaches get fired? Well, one I think general managers a little rig. Now, I coaches make a lot more just to put it in context. I think most of us know give or take what coaches make, you know, first time coaches make between four and five and the higher level coaches. Now make between eight to ten I think pe- Carroll's extension was eleven million dollars coaches make a shitload of money gentleman. A highly John Lynch who because he had leverage was one of the highest pay general managers in the league makes four million dollars makes Todd might be a little less, but makes a lot of money. That's a high pay general manager a good GM salaries between two and three million. So I don't make as much so on the line item for the owner there, you don't it's easier to replace now all these guys were necessarily easy to replace because the cap and the new CBA with not necessarily a cap, but the CBA which pays all these team. Teams at the start of the or throughout the season like two hundred and fifty plus million dollars makes this somewhat couch change, you know, like the chain find in your car for owners now so eating ten million dollars to pay coach is not bad difficult. The other thing with the general manager I can kind of quantify who you draft who you didn't draft. But I can always push it off in unquantifiable things like that coach didn't use my player correctly that coach wasn't running the right scheme that coach doesn't know what he's doing that coach is idiot. Well, Steve kind for example, who does he sit next to during the game. The owner who allowed general manager sit next to during the game. The owner what language do they speak a similar language because what do general managers talk about how much money this player will cost how much money this assistant coach will cost how much draft cap. They'd have to use to trade up to get this talk, similar languages. Most owners come from a business background. They talk like spreadsheets. Now, I've talked to a couple owners they have normal conversations. But you know, what? I mean, they think in business terms. Well, general managers are kind of the the guy in the middle of the can speak. The coaches Lang the good ones can speak the coaching language, but can also speak the cap money language, which most owner speak. So they have an inside track. Speaking of the owners where it's somewhat of a rig deal like they have a different relationship with the owner, and the owner also they don't have much in common with the head coach. It's why went ahead coach can't speak their language like Andy Reid. He can talk money and draft value, and he's just easy to get along with. He has great relationships with owners, clearly Mike Tomlin is a pretty guide pretty easy guy to have conversations with what is Bill Belichick. Do he can speak Robert Kraft languages when you see some of these? Coaches. The just have no chance from the jump. Vance. Joseph working for John Elway is not easy. He's basically like Al Davis junior. But it doesn't own the team. But he's unfirable. He's NFL royalties. The most famous athlete in the history of state like that's not an easy job like working for John Dorsey that clearly has the owners ear that has a huge ego is not easy to work for so, but all these gentleman's keep their jobs. So when we talk about what job is the best opening is the Jess job. Good opening. Well, I know Chris Johnson said the owner or excuse me, the new head coach will answer to me. But is Mike mccaddon picking the players like who's the guy deciding who are going to draft who are gonna sign him free agency. I know that guy is in Cleveland John Dorsey, I know that guys in Denver. John Elway Jason lights stayed in Tampa Bay these guys aren't leaving. So you don't get to you know, what's Parcells famous, quote, you want me to cook the dinner, but I don't get to pick the groceries. And that's the problem. Now one thing if Bella check. Poor sales or hell even Elway. I've always defended Elway, but that's not an easy situation. Especially when you know that like that guy that guy could fire you like Mike mcalinden, essentially fired Todd Bowles Kaime fired Wilks like you're working for this guy. But he does on the team, but he's a made man in the mob. It's pretty crazy now. Here's another thing. I don't feel bad for these coaches that lost jobs. Most people listening are at will employs you get fired at any time in even if you make a lot of money, they might not oh, you anything where these coaches like Steve Wilks like got screwed. No. He didn't he he's he's a top one percent of a one percenter. He made four or five million dollars this year. And he's owed twelve fifteen million dollars the next three year. He does not have to work to get paid that much money thinking any other job like it's incredible incredible opportunity. Those guys take those jobs to change their life. Whether it works doesn't. And here's the other thing if I want to counter to my argument about general managers that it's kind of rigged, and they're got the owners ear, and they never get fired. When you do get fired as a GM, you you as a wise man once told me, aka, Phil savage. Former Cleveland Browns general manager who waited a long time those Ozzie Newsome right hand man won the Super Bowl in Baltimore. Turn down gentleman jobs. Got his one shot. Never got another one. Never got another one. You only get one shot. Like Vance Joseph goes to wherever team and they have a good defense next couple years. He get another shot. Adam gates. He's gonna get another shot you hell he might get another shot this year. I actually think Adam gates would make a lot of Cincinnati Zona gentleman's. Don't get they get one. They get make me less money. They get what they get one job. Now, they get two or three coaches. I mean, there's going to be Steve third. Coach mcalinden second Jason Jason lights third. I mean, generators get a lot of coaches, but it's not a fair fight in. You you understand where the infighting comes? It's like any job if you're working with someone and you are two or the most important people in the company, but one of those people is directly in the guy that owns the company's ear all the time. They have a better relationship, you're gonna feel somewhat inferior the relationship is going to be tense. That's why a lot. Of these GM coaching relationships are very fake coaches are idiots. They know where you sit during the game. They know that when you're not around how you're telling the owner how he's Nydia how you can upgrade how they can get a better. Coach house assistant coaches are very good. How he doesn't understand the cap doesn't get value? So I don't ever be shocked when you see the crazy infighting because it's kind of a rig deal from the beginning. The the coaches on these teams are always at a disadvantage when it comes to the hiring and firing cycle because the general manager is in the owners ear not gonna spend too much time on this. But it is pretty interesting just because this is the all the all television slash media gentleman's or coach combination. I didn't give it enough credence and take it seriously enough on Sunday when it was reported that Mike Mayock interviewed for the raiders I should've because Jon Gruden like why wouldn't they hire MicMac? I'm like other hire more people and then boom announced this morning. Mike Mayock tired before I recorded this podcast. I watched the press conference. What happened pretty fast? My takeaway, simply this I have zero doubts of mayo. His ability to work his ability to grind the tape. His ability to understand what good and bad players. Are that will be the least of his worries? Also, he is a type a alpha bona China shop he'll fit perfectly with Jon Gruden Jon Gruden is going ninety miles an hour twenty four seven three sixty five Meo is that type guy both will football. They care you talk to people that work with Jon Gruden coaches that live breathe and sleep football. They go hill. Make you think you don't like football enough because he likes it so much. I think Gruden is basically the same guy excuse me may because the same guy the thing. I question is are they to similar what John really needs is like a Howie Roseman Parague Mirafiori the way Bella check thinks open minded with value being able to wheel and deal understanding that we don't need to take this. Guy in the second round. We get them in the fourth round is Mike that guy. I'm not sure from following his career and watching him like everyone listening to this podcast watch MAC for years on television. He knows good players. He's going to like some guys that he shouldn't like it happens to us all, but will he go, you know, what? And this is just the ability and the experience you gain when you work in the NFL for a long time. We don't need to get this guy in the second round. We draft him in the fourth round. We don't need to pay this guy seven million because we can get these two other guys at three million pop and get to players for the price of one just things that experience in this league of the day. I remember when I first started working the NFL. I was basically the equivalent like how you Rosen secretary just constantly print now boards just doing everything under the sun. And it was so overwhelming. Now, I come from college football. Mike Mayock knows fifty times more has experience of all the players in the NFL. But the. Difference is my second year in the league. I two good idea of all the guys on all the practice. Squads their strengths and weaknesses. Fringe guys on our division, the division opponents things that if you just worked in the league like Bill Belichick. Andy Reid bike Tomlin. They've evaluated every player coming out of the draft. They've also evaluated. The majority of the league in the leak in their feel for players is just different because guys do change or your perception of them is either validated. Or you have to adapt. Once they play like, Mike super locked end all that. And he even admitted no that's something that he's going to need help with. So to me. Whoever is pro director is hiring guys to help out. Just text on the buddy in the league who had a good tax. He's like I'm fascinated to see who was number two is his number two better be a guy with a lot of experience. It doesn't necessarily have to be like a seventy year old guy. But like someone that's been the league for a decade. Plus because the longer in the league just the daily minute of. Who's working out for who? Who's on what practice squads what certain teams like, what's the mindset of these three GM's and Mike even talked about in his press conference. He already thought like that. Because the way any did you talk like that? But it's different when you live and it's all day every day. And I think the transition you offer Gruden was difficult like Khalil Mack in combat and that piss Jonah, well, John it's two thousand eighteen Khalil Mack had ninety million dollars in the line. He has an agent just like you have an agent you wanna talk to him 'cause agent until the deals done. That's now twenty years ago. Yeah. Coach has got mad at that ship. Not anymore. The games change and say this like the other question, Mike. Mike, clearly smart guy in everyone in football that I know that I respect and it just turns out must be in the league they're all playing in the playoffs. So I happen to know a lot of high level people. They all like they'll rave about. I've met him a couple of times. Mike an impressive guide that if you watch them on TV for ten minutes he knows what he's talking about. But he's sixty he's ever worked in the NFL. Now, he talked about I saw him on the NFL network saying like, it's I haven't had butterflies like this a long time. There is something reinvigorating about new challenges for any human anytime. You get a new town in life. It can wake you up it can inspire you. But there's just gonna be stuff, and he just doesn't know. And I think that's going to be somewhat of a challenge. But I actually think it'll be healthy in the one thing's clear that I know people that have been working with Mike that have been around. Mike, Mike is a big ego. Mike gonna walk into this building in view himself as every bit of the equals, John and that and that aspect for Gruden if he's ever going. To have a chance to exceed he needed a big ego guy. They can look at them. Like, no, John. I disagree with you in a in a healthy way. And for that. I know people think I'm a raider hater, I actually find the higher, obviously interesting. But I do think there is a chance for succeed. Hey, let's let's touch on a guy that I went in on a couple of weeks ago when he fire John D Filipo, and I basically said for those that didn't listen, I would imagine a decent amount of you did that I called Mike Zimmer dinosaur said he was living in the past. And yesterday he was taken to the woodshed by Matt Nagy in Victorian GIO Matt Nagy and innovative young offense of coach that didn't even necessarily need to win the game. The Vikings had to win the bears beat them knocked them out of the playoffs. And I heard I'll give credit where credit is due. Kevin Clark friend of the show friend of mine a metal couple times through Twitter on the ringer. And he and he claimed on his podcast, and I agree that this. Vikings team in the new era post, you know, the two thousand eleven CVA moving forward is probably the biggest flop of of any team over that six seven year period. When you factor in how good their roster was on paper. They'd had previous success of the playoffs multiple times, given how much money they bought the quarterback for then not making the playoffs is is a all-time disaster. And I think Mike Zimmer deserves a majority of the blame was not. I I am lucky that through social media in Twitter. I got to meet Colin coward, develop a friendship, and then he asked me to do this. But the reason that I'm even doing this is because Colin coward who made his name in radio. Well before anything was streamed well before radio shows on television talked into a Mike that's how Colin coward became huge. And then he became over the last ten years, the biggest voice. Voice in sports, talk radio. What did he do? Did. He just just gonna keep doing the same old thing. No he expanded. Hell he changed networks. Two years ago. Went to FOX his podcast group. He created a podcast network. He does shows like he did a show. He did his radio show on television. He even does a Saturday podcast the majority of the year during the fall, it's the gambling lines with RJ bell during the offseason. He interviews. Interesting people. He's just always open mind, no different than coaches, Bella always willing open minded to do anything new. I can't stand people just hold onto something even when it's working and refuse to change. Like, I say this all the time about chip Kelly. Everyone tells me how smart is icy stubborn guy it's unwilling to change wherever adapt. So you can be intellectually, really brilliant. But if you're stubborn and you're never willing to even contemplate or ever willing. To do anything to Mick something up and be introspective and change and get with the times. I think that reflects on your intelligence I've worked in the radio business. It's clear where we're headed. No one under forty hops in a car. It doesn't immediately connect their phone all the new cars over the last several years or wifi compatible with your phone everything is streaming. So I call into such big numbers on his bod- cast every that's that's where the breads gonna be buttered here moving forward. Like I've been in radio at I've been now doing stuff like this this it's clear where this headed radio old school radio to me is like newspapers fifteen years ago. Like are they going to be dead and fifteen years now, but is it going to dramatically change one thousand percent and no different than football over the last several years. It's never become more important to have a innovative forward thinking and aggress. Passing game the rules or on your side. I liked bike Zimmer. He's my type guy in theory. But when he just hammers the table. Pound the table like we do for players draft meeting, no different than when you're trying to set the tone for your organization. I want to run the ball more. You take a Debretts and you go, Mike. It's never been easier. To throw the ball. We have to star receivers. We have a quarterback that now makes thirty plus million dollars. We drafted a running back two years ago in the second round that could have been a first round pick the can really catch the football. And we don't have a good blocking offense of line. Throw the football yet. He was adamant we we've fire John D flip. Oh, we gotta run the ball. Run the ball run the ball. So he goes in the biggest game of the year. We tried to run the ball. Yanked gonna run it. On Khalil Mack on Keam Hicks on roquan Smith on Danny trevathan on Leonard Floyd. Those guys are going to kick your ass. And then they're going to kick your ass some more Mike Zimmer living like a Dan dinosaur thinking that it's still nineteen Ninety-six deserve to get his ass kicked. If you're listening to this on Tuesday two days ago, it was his own. Fault for the archaic thinking refuse to think outside the box refused to admit and embrace. What is working in today's environment at home to lose that game embarrassing? I think you could justify firing Mike Zimmer right now, you know, I got to give a little credit where credit is due. I did not like their draft pick. Anyone that listen to the show knows that I am not big on running backs really high in the draft. I'm definitely not big on guard really high, but I'll take my hat occurs valor. And Andrew luck. And the colts organization to me this year was a muscle flex for two people one. I would say, you know, typically GM's don't get crazy buzz like over a period of two or three years and become the next Kyle Shanahan. Kyle kind of became an Atlanta. Adam gays was actually that guy before Miami hired him. You know, Pat Shurmur had a lot of buzz a couple years ago or. Just last year. Now, the giants head coach it's harder for GM's because we don't quite feel if you're not the assistant GM or the player personnel guy, or the college director is hard tell what you're really doing. But everyone that falls the NFL at heard the name, Chris Bala. I personally have never met him. I'm friends in no people with the chiefs that swear by them. I know Matt Nagy loves them vs loves them. Coterie love them. They all spoke highly of. But until you really know what a guy is doing. It's hard to quite quantify with a quarterback. It's pretty it's pretty easy. Right. It's black and white. I I never understood the Andrew luck haters. And maybe it's just as simple as in life. People resent greatness. Like, the dude was great in college. He gets rafted number one Ryan Grigson who I've worked with which was laughable when he was hired as the GM arguably go down as the worst general manager in NFL history. Almost ruined this great player. He took that team. He took Ryan Grim into the playoffs. Three times. Chuck pagano. Who somehow getting interviews? I wouldn't hire. Chuck Pagano is my head coach with a ten foot pole. But you know, Chuck pagawa was head coach Andrew luck overcame at all then this year with the help of Chris Ballard because I tip my hat to Chris Ballard, and maybe I. Should've thought about like the way I looked at the way they're draft had kind of the way they approached it you had to protect Andhra. I kind of get it. Now, maybe I shouldn't have been so stubborn like you can have you know, kind of hard hard set and concrete rules in life. But sometimes you have to be flexible too. You know, I wouldn't take running backs in the first round but saquon Barkley Zeke Elliott's I do get it that when you look at what Andrew luck accomplish this year with the help of Ballard and even. Josh mcdaniels left. Chris Ballard at the alter it still to this day. And we may never see anything quite like it again is one of the craziest things we ever seen in sports the end up with Frank rich. They start one in five Andrew early on. You know, as it should of hadn't played in a year and a half. He was coming off multiple shoulder. Injuries looks rusty. But for them to finish. What are they ten and six the sixty they're playing the Texans which they're getting two and a half points. I love the colts in this game for them to do what they did. It really is might be the best feel good story of the NFL in just speaks to Andrew luck greatness speaks to Chris Ballard and how good he is GM how the hype all those years about this guy this number two with the bears. And then the chiefs was justified. This guy was that good. And I think the combination of the two of them. And then you gotta get the coach some credit to I think there I saw they shot in to the to the lock. Ker room on CBS Frank right said we're only the second team in NFL history to start one of the make the playoffs. Then I was in the car today. I heard on the radio there the third team. So I'm not sure if it's the second or the third team. But clearly, it's an incredible accomplishment to start one and five and make the playoffs. That's not normal. You know last year the charter started Owen four finish nine and seven one game out. And they were clearly one of the hotter teams in the NFL. But this guy I think luck through thirty nine touchdowns this year. He does throw some bad picks picks never bother me. Like you watch him. He clearly is one of the most talented young quarterback. He's not that young anymore. But this is the fourth time he's gone to the playoffs. Three with Grigson. Who is just the worst general manager of all time the fourth coming back from shoulder injuries. After a one in five star with the head coach wasn't even supposed to be their head coach like this guy. I mean, how many more looking at a. Sure fire hole. Famer one of the great players we've ever seen. We're also looking at one of the more dynamic general managers. We've seen in recent memory crust the last couple drafts. He's done a great job because you have luck. You can take some flyers on guys and you're gonna hit Eric Brown. Boom stud now those two running backs. They have MAC and hind. Pretty good homes. Good if they get one more wide receiver to go with him. They're going to be in good shape their defenses. Good. Hopefully, they don't lose overflows. Also, give them credit. They hire before loose before they hired mcdaniels because the told them to and it turns out that guys. Just good. They got a good thing going. They went Allott, and they feel a lot different this time around than they did Andrew luck. First couple years when they were making the playoffs. They have a capable GM. Andrew just better now than it was back, then he's just smarter just more experienced, and they have a head coach that I still don't know that much about beside. Clearly, this guy's pretty solid and knows offense. Like Chuck gone. I didn't even know what he did their defenses were ten. Terrible. I know he knows nothing about office. And he clearly was awful a gay management. I know Frank. He's smart. He knows offense. He calls. The place is brings more to the table. You know, he brings a lot more to the table so hat tip to the colts. I don't know if Chris Bowers going to win general manager of the year. I don't know if lock not going to the MVP this year, he's going to get at one of these years because he's an MVP caliber player and just in just an incredible story of a slow start in incredible finish. And I'll tell you this. Because it's kind of lining up if they were to upset the Texans that means they would get the chiefs in the second round. That's that would be a tough first round the first game for the chiefs. Andrew luck. This this team. I think they could make a legitimate run in the AFC. Okay. Let's really quick wants meant too much time. It's crazy because Monday in the NFL black Monday, the playoff picture and everything kind of overshadows and clouds. We forget that the playoffs just happen on Saturday. And let's call it. What it is is a little bit of a dud. I thought the Clemson game actually looked worse than I even thought. And I thought Notre Dame had no chance they didn't belong. They have way too many over. You cannot have overachievers on your team and hang with Clemson rally. Bam or hell even Georgia or hell LSU. Like, do you understand the blue chippers that are playing in the south in those three or four league, obviously bama's in his own little world. And then Clemson LSU in Georgia like the level of talent. Which those teams have. I mean, Notre Dame's rolling out safety looks like a stiff in space couldn't cover any sort of NFL type receiver, and they just got work. They did not belong speedwise. And here's the thing. I don't ever wanna hear their argument anymore like you need to recruit and get better players because you do not belong with Ohio State with Bama with Georgia with Clemson like you're not in the same conversation. Same thing for the Pac twelve like, I don't want to hear your arguments anymore from now on it's clear I test when Georgia's a bad ass squad. They belong in when LSU wins one gay or loses one game. And they lose Alabama. They belong in Ohio State. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt moving forward over Notre Dame. They're dead to me. They don't they've proven their worth. And it ain't good enough. You not belong on the big stage. Now with the big boys. Like you've gotten your chance. Now twice in the last five or six years in you've got Ma. Ali waft. You got embarrassed. They ran circles around you like the dreams of the overachiever like give me the tough guy in two thousand eighteen in college football with Bama with Ohio State with Clemson. They will pull down their pants and take a gigantic poop right on your face. And that's what Clemson did it Notre Dame? They looked at him and said, you do not belong on the field us, and they didn't. Not in close like that quarterback. What was that in book story? And I guess he's better than wimbush the guy they had. That guy would start at Georgia at Bama at Clemson at Ohio State, come on. And then the other game I'll say this. He looked small and I'm starting to change my tune a little bit just his height would be somewhat of a deterrent for me. If I was Mike Mayock or just anyone thinking about drafting Kyla Murray as my quarterback. But one thing was clear as I just said about Notre Dame. They didn't belong on the field speed-wise. I'll tell you who belonged. I'll tell you the best athlete of the weekend. Was it was kinda Murray? He was running at a different speed. Now, if he's not a quarterback, I know for damn sure what he is. And that's an elite NFL athlete. Get the ball. Whether that's a hybrid running back receiver like Tabin Austin meets, you know, saquon Barkley meets Julian Ataman, don't even know what his position is. I don't even know if he can catch. But if you can catch he's a first round NFL player. He was. Remarkable just in terms of his play speed relative to the the Alabama team, which is clearly one of the fastest teams year in your out there size. And speed is remarkable. And he was flying around. It was is opening how facet is he is special. Now can't he play quarterback. Probably not. It'd be really hard because he clearly is really short, you know, but with the ball in his hands against other elite players, he is the elitist. You know, he's the best elitist isn't even the work. He's just he's on a different level. Speed was like you watch them you go. That's what Lee NFL speed looks like like again, if he can catch why couldn't he be elite receiver in the NFL level. I mean, look at the guys that are playing in the NFL. Small size wise. Now, I'm not saying he's Antonio Brown or anything. But what if he does a ball skills? Why wouldn't he plays outfield in like so he tracks the ball naturally as an outfielder? I would imagine I'm guessing he's got at least adequate hands maybe above average. If he does he's a first round player as an athlete, just as an athlete. So even if we've come to the conclusion, and I think it's you over react just like you can go both ways, but you typically overreact to one game positively or negatively with one player. So I'm not trying to overreact and say he can't play quarterback though, that was my first reaction. But my other reaction was he has one thousand percent and NFL player. One thousand percent has the chance to be dynamic NFL player. One thousand percent has a chance to be like a Pro Bowl offense of weapon. I don't even think that's arguable. I mean, I think Nick Sabin will tell you that. He's never played a player that fast. It was I opening how special this kid speed is. And I hope selfishly I wouldn't mind I'm doing both. But I wouldn't mind him given football try, even if it means guess chains positions. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a little exercise here. I wrote down both conferences the one through six seat in the playoffs. And I just did a little word association. I wrote one chiefs in the first thing I thought of couple of these. I'm not a word Smith here. So not an English. Major might be two words. But I tried to get one word the first thing I thought about heading into the playoffs clearly the chiefs patriots saints Rams advise, but I want one through six one through six we'll start with the AFC the first word that came to my mind because I think this is Ben one of the better NFL and start to finish. I think this is open of a playoff. Just it's often said you just. Wanna get into the dance? Anything can happen. I think that's never been more true this year. So I think this is as good maybe not top to bottom as playoff field. But I do think because they're at the top are the saints. The best team, you know, the chiefs are pretty flawed once but they are incredible on offense. Any of these teams, you know, just looking at it. I don't know. I mean, I would be the Moshe ach probably if the ravens won the SuperBowl, maybe Houston, but I could see the chiefs doing I can see the patriots doing the chargers. See the colts. Saints Rams bears. Dallas Seattle Philly Cialis winning. So let's let's start at the top chiefs number one. When I've thought just how I think about their season. How think about them going into the playoffs? The first word that came to my mind was innovative. I mean first year Patrick Mahomes starting what they do on offense affluent incredible, no coordinator, consistently adapt. His offense better to his personnel. No. Coordinator in. That's obviously Andy has been more open minded, and it's clearly taught his assistance you see Doug Peterson. You see Matt Nagy who playing each other to think like that too. And when I think the Kansas City Chiefs, and I think their offense wise think about their team, I think innovation. They operate like a startup, you know, like they've proven nothing always willing to try things. And it's really paid off this year, the patriots champions. I this is not a very good patriot team relative to other teams, I think they lack the high end talent their best player beside Brady gronkowski is a shell of himself from what he's been at its peak but hundred Pence once had a a line when the giants won their second world championship that he played on. Obviously they wanted ten twelve and fourteen and he gave a speech in two thousand fourteen when they made the playoffs to kind of a pre game speech doesn't usually happen in baseball. And the word he used was championship blood. Any looked at everyone in the room. He said, that's what's in here. The giants had no business winning that the ruled series, but they got that championship blood. And that's what you have your patriot. You had that championship blood that? Championship DNA. You can say what you want. They're not as talented not as explosive. All that stuff is true. I know this. I don't wanna play bell check and Brady in a winner. Go home game not in Foxborough. Not in my home building. I don't wanna play them. The Houston Texans. This is were my limited vocabulary came in. So this is two words use slash. So it's one top heavy. They have some blue chip players Hopkins. Elite watt clowney elite Watson baller, but I can't name Honey badger still really damn good. They're often the lines terrible. Lamar Miller is just a guy who's our second wide receiver who else they really have on defense. But they're top heavy elite players are so good all pro clowney and watt or dominant players. The Honey badger is still a elite versatile player to Shawn Watson is just special in the Andrey Hopkins. Arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL. So if you are going to be top heavy I want to be top heavy with that talent. Now kid they beat the patriots the patriots of own them. So if they were to beat Indy, I don't feel great about them going to New England, but I wouldn't necessarily count. Them out. The ravens a little flukey. I added a little but just fluky because they have a great defense defense as a unit is excellent. But they run a high school offense Lamar Jackson complete anywhere between twelve and fifteen Balza game. I'll tell you this in the NFL in the playoffs when it's third and seven everyone knows you're throwing you better be able to complete a pass. You can't run the triple option. You can't ask your quarterback to run for. You gotta go four five wide, and you got to complete a pass. I know that Mahomes can do it. I know that Brady can do it. I know that Watson can do it. I know that rivers can do it. And I know that Andrew can do it can Lamar Jackson. I'm betting against it. It's why lock of the of the whole weekend is the chargers beating the ravens the chargers again, not a wordsmith. So I had to use to hordes don't trust. How can you? This is a big game for Philip rivers. You can't lose to Lamar Jackson. It can't happen. You don't have to win the Super Bowl. But you had a great year. You gotta win a playoff game. Especially when you're playing a rookie quarterback there. Runs a school offense. So so you gotta find a way to win. But the end of the day the chargers still are the chargers, and I just don't trust them. I just really that simple though. By lock of the week is the chargers, I plan on putting a large amount of money on them, plus two and a half that doesn't mean I feel great about it. The colts ascending. I don't know if this their year, it's probably not. But I know album Breyer said on Collins radio show, the thought they had a chance to be a potential dynasty. I can't disagree. Andrew lock is a once in a generation quarterback. I mean, he's a manning. He's a far young Montana. Like, he's a all kind. Great. If you can't see it. I can't help you maybe start watching the WNBA or something. They're defense is really good. I talked about earlier there. Gm's really good. There are team on the come. And I'd be shocked next year. If they're not a one to see somewhere in there. They were going to be really good next year. Imagine when they don't start one in five. What are they gonna go twelve and four thirteen and three like to me them in the chief? So the aero points straight up at the sky. Let's go to the NFC the saints home field. And you're like, of course, they have home-field we'll for them it matters planet like they're just it's hard for me to see them losing. I just think they are going to go to I don't know who's. Going to sue by the AFC, you know, the chiefs. They haven't won a playoff games like Joe Montana at at Arrowhead patriots or flaw. The Texans are weird. The ravens is hard. I don't know. I'm pretty confident the saints are going to win their two home games. They're going to get the Cowboys probably in the second round. It's going to be redemption pretty easy to bulletin board. Material bet team beat them earlier in the season. And then they probably get the, you know, the bears the ramps in that NFC championship game. I think they win. There is not losing home. So I just when I think I could have. Substituted dome for home field like it just places. Not they ain't losing their the Rams this crazy because I thought they were the best team in the league a month ago. But when I when you say the Rams the first thing, I think of a soft. I just I have a hard time. Honestly, I don't think the bears win this game, which is going to be tough against philli. I think the bears go to LA and beat him. And it's just because they're just soft Aaron Donald not soft Todd Gurley not soft. But he's injured. Now he's gonna play in that game. You would imagine. I mean, I think there was a report today he's gonna play, but he's not one hundred percent now Aaron Donald bad ass. But the rest of their defense is not very good their linebackers are average at best. They do not cover very well. So of Aaron Donald doesn't get you multiple sacks. You're in trouble. The Namba consumes a good big body. He doesn't do that much. So I don't know, man. I just in this. Word. I have for the bears. Why think that they're going to win? They're going to be eagles. And I go to L A and beat them. They're tough. When I think the bears, I just think tough, and listen is not matter nearly as much as it used to. But what they do on defense. Does matter. They can rush the shit out of the passer MAC Floyd Hicks. They can bring it both their linebackers can bliss those two linebackers can cover sideline to sideline. So even if you're running outside those guys can track them down, and then they can cover, and I would imagine Jackson's gonna come back. They DVD's make place. They lead the league in turnovers. Just this Fangio's his two point over what he had with Willis Bowman all those guys in San Francisco. He's got it kinda Gannon Chicago. They are bad ass defense. The ravens are fantastic unit. To me, the bears are just elite players and unit. They're they're the best version of what the ravens just because they don't really have. Have as many of the blue chippers. They just play. Well, a group the bears were the best of both worlds. They play great as a unit, and then they just have all pro level players. Like, I'm telling you roquan Smith, not a Pro Bowl or anything. The guy's gonna be the best linebacker in the league. You once key cleaned Bobby Wagner, get a little over like in three years. Roquan Smith will be the best middle linebacker Lee. Dallas speed man. They are they are elite speed on defense the front. They can really rush the passer, both the linebackers, and Sean Lee, you got Vander s Jalen Smith, and Sean Lee if Sean Lee hamstring can be ripping anytime, and then all their DB's they can fly their defensive team speed, especially at home is suffocating, and they are playing Russell Wilson whose mobile, but I think those guys chasing after Russell. Everyone's picking it feels like Seattle Dallas in this game. I liked Dallas pretty comfortable. Seattle you gotta tip your hat to them. This was the first thing, I think of is culture that this was a culture year for them to have this much turnover beside Russell in beside Pete and John Schneider. Those three guys dictate the culture on the team their owner died all their star players long gone. Even Earl Thomas, I read a stat on Twitter led the team in interceptions. I mean play like three aims brokers lake led the team in interceptions. So just an incredible culture season for the Seattle Seahawks. And then Philly the first thing I think of is just one word it's false. I mean, Nick foles clearly last year tears ACL comes in they rattle often win the Super Bowl. This one of the more. Incredible couple months fans we've ever seen in NFL history. Then this year he starts the opening game on Thursday night against the Atlanta Falcons. Who at the time they had a bunch of injuries. But that team that the Atlanta rolled out week one was a playoff team, he beats them. So he's one though Carson gets hurt. Again. He starts the next week he loses. So he's one in one. Then Carson gets hurt. He started the last three games. He's won all three of them. So he's he won this year. Four of the five games. He started three of them thing about this three of them. And you could technically say because I know it was week one. But then one week one they never would have been in this position. But the last three games they had to win just to stay alive. They went nine seven. They were six and seven three weeks ago. Six and seven they needed the help from dinosaurs Zimmer, but you gotta just tip your hat to Nick foles beat the Rams beat the Texans playoff teams. Are those are two big time winds, and I watched it wasn't a great win. But they came in. We're up pretty easily the yanked out because he could bruises rips. But man, Nick foles what a story what an incredible twelve month run that the guys on. It's it's fun to watch sportsman. Okay. Let's do a couple quick middlekauff mailbags. As you know, I send you off until you're into your New Year's hangover. You are probably hung over listening to this. And I'll be back on Friday with a little playoff preview. But what's up John recent listener to the podcast? I love your takes big Vikings fan. Why wasn't a deep Lippo hater? He definitely wasn't getting it done. That said if the Vikings went out, maybe even steal a playoff dub does Kevin Stansky gets serious looks to fill the head coaching vacancy this offseason for another team. Well, this was obviously before the last weekend's game. I did see that Stansky is going to interview for head coach. I don't think he's going to get an opportunity to become a head coach. I would imagine he'll be the oh see with Minnesota Vikings next year that assumes. And I still don't think one hundred percent Lockton stone that Zimmer is back because like I said earlier, it's one of the biggest letdown seasons in recent memory, and sports, you know, it happens sometimes like with the Yankees and Red Sox when they like miss the playoffs when they're spending a lot of money. See sometimes baseball in football. Every once in a while a team that you just look at one hundred percent Locke should be a playoff team. They have a roster this just stacked then they ch. Know just destroy a ceiling of guaranteeing every penny contract to a quarterback that had never wanna play off game. Who was pretty good? We thought who solid even if you're not the biggest cousins guy, I think he'd have to admit like, you know, he's pretty good. But eighty four million dollars. They spent eighty four million dollars on a quarterback, and I get their line sucked. But if I'm gonna spend eighty four million dollars on a quarterback. I don't care if my life sucks we should still make the playoffs and they didn't make the playoffs. So I am not discounting the chance in the potential opportunity for Zimmer getting fired. Big listener to the podcast from an from a former NFL scout someone who's trying to pursue a job with an NFL team. What advice do you have when trying to get into working for a team? I would like to work in the equipment and or logistic side of the team. I can only speak from scouting standpoint. You know, I just I worked in college football. I always think the college football is the best stepping stone to get into the NFL for coaches for personnel. People for anyone. And so I'd always recommend going that route, you know, try to work if you wanna work with logistics. You know, try to get involved with athletic department or a football program wherever you may live the try to help you know, that team travel schedule. I don't know that would be my advice try to work for a college team. And that's usually a good kind of stepping stone to to get to the pros question for the pot. Couldn't Kyle try football for two or three years. And if it went poorly, then go pursue baseball one thousand percent on a mutt. Poor poor man's version. Like what we've seen Tibo do draft in the first round failed in the NFL. And then tried baseball. I think American be the much better version of that the difference is like he probably is not gonna to play quarterback he'd have to play other positions. So would he play wide receiver for a couple of years if he plays wide receiver and he can catch he will not fail? Like we've seen. How talented this guy is he will play. They'll give them end. Arounds? They'll snap the ball directly. They'll do a lot of shit for this guy. So I. If he went to the NFL unlike Tibo who could not play quarterback, I kind of can do so many other things that I think he would he won't fail. Now. I could see him maybe realizing I don't wanna not play quarterback. I wanna play other position. So I go I try and then I ended up doing something else. So yeah, I definitely think that would be in the cards. Well, watching the end of this Utah north western game, Pat FitzGerald who just actually they were down pretty big. I think twenty two three to Utah and came back to win this game. I think that's a guy to watch seriously for the next head coach of the Green Bay Packers. I think that that would one hundred percent being play next head coach the Green Bay Packers. I'm saying fifty fifty right now, Pat FitzGerald, thanks again for everyone for listening to nineteen is here super excited and just thanks. Thanks for everyone. That's been listening to this. Whether you've you've been here nine months or have long we've been going or you just got kind of in the mix last. Month to during football season. This has been a fun ride. We plan on making an even bigger two thousand nineteen so thanks again for everything. Thanks for listening. Three now podcast all rents some Freiburg.

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3 and Out - Gruden Props; Chargers' Problems; 'Bama/LSU; NFL Week 10 Preview; Mailbag

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3 and Out - Gruden Props; Chargers' Problems; 'Bama/LSU; NFL Week 10 Preview; Mailbag

"When it comes to sports history doesn't change? Or does it come find out on the special teams podcast which is now available on Jason Smith and Mike Harmon together Jason. I are looking back at the most compelling teams in sports history why we rooted for them or against them as they achieved their title of best of the best. Aw do remember the big moments and maybe become aware of some. You didn't know each episode features a different team and we just know you're gonNA love it checkout special teams right now on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts and what is going on everybody John Middlekauff renowned podcast back At it again fresh off this Thursday night football game one. Last Games of the Coliseum having spent many nights this many games over the last decade at the Oakland Coliseum special place cool place especially at night game that place is it's got a it's got a legit edge to it it really does and when the team playing well listen I would dive into Gruden here in a second but I'll take my hat to them. I I I was as big of a critic as you can find. And he's shut me up. He shot a lot of people up. There are five and four. And they're just good. I mean they have a good office. Their defense isn't good but they they make some key stops and tonight rivers throwing a ball all over the place. What do you mean rivers? I I don't know what was going on. We'll dive into the chargers who were just the Dean Spanos. Who's you got teams leak in that? He should move to London. I have a theory on that. We'll dive into Bam. Lsu some thoughts on those games or just is that game ruin game of the weekend probably Bam LSU Twelve Thirty Pacific Standard Time twelve thirty CBS. And then and then all the Games on Sunday do that every Friday podcast just a couple of minutes on each game not a great slate but you know a couple of interesting games KINDA CRAZY ATLANTA NEW ORLEANS. Thirteen point quaint. Thirteen and a half point spread that used to be one of the bill rivalries in the NFL. Thirteen point spread. I mean that's insane and then the middlekauff mail bag always always at John. Middlekauff is my instagram handle. Slide up into those. DM's and then I interact with you and answer your questions here on the podcast blitz. With gruden listen listen. He took a lot of shit you know. It was crazy when he signed the ten year. One hundred million dollar contract people thought it was nuts and rightfully so was nuts guy in coast and ten years then everything that happened early early on it. Felt like they didn't quite have a plan and I still stand by. I don't think they quite had a plan. He had a plan to start over but then he acquired Antonio Brown but I will. I'll give them credit now. They made him basically plead in begged. Get cut but the moment they cut him. They freed themselves now. I didn't the moment. They cut them from a football perspective. He's pretty good player. At least he was who knows what he's like now but I thought they were gonNA suck. I really did. Their defensive roster was terrible they were going to be so dependent on Antonio Brown the biggest reason they gave Jon Gruden all the while. They gave it to him for several reasons. One when they're moving and they're going to the entertainment capital of the world and John Gruden's a Rockstar. He he is. He's he was called what it is the bigger rockstar than he. He is a coach at least until this last month when he established. He's a pretty damn good coach. You know you gotTa give credit. And that was the number one reason he he's a he. He moves the needle and the other thing was coach. Offense in the quarterback a quarterback that they have for twenty five million dollars a year under contract the next several years and he's resurrected correct Derek's career he has derek playing very very well in directors. Were a lot of credit. He's playing very very well. He drafted a first round running back which I thought was kind of nuts. I thought they could have got him in the second round regardless where they took him. He's one of the best non quarterbacks in football right now. Josh Jacobs the offensive rookie of the year. I think he's a pro bowler. He has changed the franchise. He's Mr dependable. You can throw it to him. You can handle the ball. He had the game winning touchdown tonight he just bad ass I mean he's a certified. Ask Ask kicker and then listen. This is the most raider player of recent memory. They took a drug addict who finally got cleaned six six months ago and tournament to a pro bowl tight end in Darren waller so grooten. That's GRUDEN's guy. He wanted him. So that's impressive. GRUND has had a very very very impressive season. There is. There's no way around because five and four in the tie-breaker over the colts and we'll see how how long have if Kobe's our player Jacoby is not the same. They are not there in the playoff. Mix Charges You bye-bye you're done. But the raiders played with more effort than you They're just. They had a bunch of penalties night but some of them the referees I mean Jeez Louise Can we not throw a flag on every single play just as as a viewer as a player as Co.. It's just ridiculous it's over. The top drives me nuts. Drives everyone nuts but the writer found a way with all the penalties would just monotonous and weirdness happening and even at the end of the game. They're they're kicker missed an extra point so rivers with three timeouts minute left could have just got them and field goal. Range cut a lost the game. But the raiders deserve to win this game and they deserve a ton of credit. They really do. I had them pay for about four and twelve and I'd say right now. Eight hundred eight. I mean depending. They lost multiple defensive players last. Drive if those guys aren't seriously injured I don't think nine and seven is out of the question. They go nine seven. They might be a playoff team. which would be an incredible accomplishment? I it really would. The chargers on the other hand embarrassment their owner owner. As I was told this week I I wrote an article on the Athletic Bay area about the raiders. Being in better position big picture than the chargers and two of my main reasons. One the quarterback Derek has just under contract for several years moving forward. Philip rivers free agent at the end of this year. And as you saw tonight he's not quite the same guy. He he had twelve touchdowns in seven sections coming into this game. He threw three. Tonight's we've got ten interceptions on the season. He's just kinda throwing yellow passes way too much any always kind of has but they're not as accurate as they once were but the bigger issue. I like the raiders more than the chargers. Moving forward is the Raiders of coaching stability. Early John Gruden's on year one and a half of a ten year contract. Anthony Lynn is the is the lowest paid coach in the NFL. Isn't it pretty true statement. You get what you pay for in life whether it's home whether it's a car whether it's a pair of shoes whether it's football coach when you're paying your football coach in the the NFL three and a half to four million dollars a year and you expect him to go toe to toe with a ten million dollar coach. Andy makes money in this division. You GotTa play the Harbaugh you gotta play the Ballad Valujet's and you have a playoff level roster. How can anyone be shocked when you lose again? You get what you pay for and Dean spanos loves his savings account more more than anything else I think someone needs to get to Dean and be like was. I've never died but I've had many people. Tell me that when you die that the bank doesn't doesn't fall the hearst with all the cash that you have in the bank you don't get to take that to your tier deathbed Indian. You're getting two hundred and fifty two hundred sixty two hundred seventy million dollars from the league every year. How about how? `Bout you hire him. Eight million coach and give yourself a team. That has Bosa Ingram. Melvin Gordon Eck Ler Mike Williams Keenan Alan rivers. Casey were Kevin King like you got a ton of good players the the young pass rusher from USC. I can't say his name number. Forty forty two good player like how about you go higher capable coach. F- I mean for once. Can you do that or do you just always want to be the team. That's you know. Seven and nine and easily could have been eleven and five if you just had a guy that knew he was doing. It's the same story it just we just rotate over an over and over and never changes and I it starts at the top now. Listen I don't think Mark Davis a very good owner but he gave Jon Gruden two hundred million dollars and he he basically just said you do it. All you think. Mark Davis has one hundred million dollars takes huge lines of credit to pay players to pay his coach. Dean spanos actually has is money in the bank and he refuses to give it to anybody in the team always loses and everyone's always shocked and tonight I mean the reason rivers throwing picks but the big picture they're always in the same predicament. For Reason. They have a Lopate head coach. Who's going to get fired at the end of this year when they missed the playoffs? They're not take an anthony. Lynn next year to move into the building in my theory going into this game was when the story leaked about the raider or I mean the chargers moving to London. I thought you know. Maybe the raiders leak. This story a little old school. L. Davis move to create turmoil and chaos with the chargers because it became a huge story Dean Spanos went on record. Dropped a couple F bombs Thom Tillis go had to address the team. I mean it was a serious story and I had a couple of people in the league like yeah. I don't think it's that. Ah and I haven't been around the raiders. They actually were very close with dean. Remember they almost moved to. La With Dean so my theory. Even when I had in my head I kinda poke some holes into it. I'm like yeah. Yeah I just been around Mark Davis. I don't think he's a bad. I don't think he'd do that. I don't even think gruden thinks about crap like that and I had a couple of people say that. Yeah I think it was the rams rams that leaked that and I was like that makes sense you know why because the rams the chargers out of their building they can't stand Dean Spanos and his organization sation. They are an anchor on the operation. That is going to be this palace that is Los Angeles and look at the squad that he's operating. Despite having all this talent thom tillis comes. Who's done a good job? He's picked a ton of good players over the years. Now that rivers diminishing a little bit Y- their offensive line's pretty bad russell. Kun Got hurt tonight in the backup left tackle. Jeez Louise not a very good player but starts at the top and as long as these spanos owns this organization. They'll just be a middling you know maybe one year they'll win. Eleven games make the playoffs playoffs. Next year they'll go seven and nine. Who knows I mean what's rivers as his career comes to an end? Who knows they can find another quarterback but I I really do blame Dean Spanos it? 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Every Tuesday subscribe to the women. Now on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast breath well. I don't really talk much college football on this show. Not because I don't love it I mean. I watched it all day on Saturdays really all season but for the most part you know in Collin Talks about this a lot it's become very regional in. It's obviously dominates in the south for interest and it's big big in the big ten but for the most part you know a lot of us if you live on the west coast. You live on the northeast. You're not as locked in it's become very regional but I love it and for the first time this season we have a really really big game and yeah I live in northern California. And I can't freaking wait for Bama Lsu. I haven't missed Obama. Lsu Game in ten years. And I've been reading a lot of stuff about the game and and you know obviously. There are some big injuries to a game time decision but nine years ago I think in two thousand eleven when they played in that nine six epic national Championship game or I guess it was regular season game. Those nine six and they played again the national championship and Alabama kind of kick their ass. That it was a defensive of battle it was old school. SEC ground and pound will now you have two teams that dominate through there and before we dive into kind out of the match up. which I think's really cool is one of the best parts about sports and I I'd say any public job but specifically sports arts because my job what do I really get credit for how many people listen million people listen? Well what's the Goldman two million people. When does it ever end? There's some finite number that I'm going to win or lose how much revenue I draw. I mean you guys all we all have scoreboards like how much revenue do. We double when q one q two but it's a little different sports because you work all week for a specific game. Now I think we can all probably relate if you're working for a specific client and you land a big deal that's a pretty big and that feels pretty good. I've had that happen. I'm sure many people listening have had that happen. You know I think we get that a little bit in school when you study for tests do well but I think the reason if you're listening to this you love football because you want your team to win when you played whether you played in high school whether you played in College College you tried to win. It's that there's a scoreboard and because of the public job and really sports has become. I don't WanNa say a like E. News. But there's an element of the way we talk about coaches and the way we talk about players being fired. This guy socks. This guy's not good. This guy didn't deserve to get the job. That's part part of the reason this stuff so popular. Hell I make my living off doing that. And I would have been the first to raise my hand of Shit. Talk About Eddie Oh I was like no way. USC let's see can hire them. I never thought he was a clown because I know people that have worked with them the he worked his ass off in recruiting a really good defensive line coach but that was pretty insane. That he who's GonNa become the head coach at Lsu. I'm wrong. He's been fantastic. He's been awesome and the best part about sports. Whether you're a player coach and people think you suck and people talk about you you can shut them up because you're like well. He's got a good well. He's not that no you just win and no one can say a damn. AM thing unless you're Kevin Durant and you just continue to go on twitter and everyone calls you a snake like Kevin you want you want to championships do finals. MVP's hat tip to you. No one can ever say shit and if they do just come back championships video. He wins this weekend. I think they've already beaten. Multiple rank teams obviously taken down Texas beaten Florida. They're good you know. LSU's no Joe. They have the best quarterback since they've had jamarcus Russell they're scoring points at a rate for for this program. That is not normal but I think the big winner in this whole thing. Is that Oprah who is absolutely perfect for Lsu. I can't understand what he's saying. That many any of you can't understand what he's saying but I know two things one. He's been winning. And he's one of the best if not the best recruiters in the country at a school that recruits itself. But he's got all. The chips are in the middle table this week. Because you'd go. Sabin probably has his best quarterback over there into a tong below but he's injured gametime decision. I think it's fair to say he's going to play but he's not going to be one hundred percent but this saving team is not anywhere near as good as the previous saving teams. They're really built much more like a modern day. NFL team defense. Kind of you know. Bend but don't break and score a ton of points through the air. Their running game is nowhere. Where near what it was and the Derrick Henry Mark Ingram Trent Richardson type days? It is three elite wide receivers. Jerry Judy is going to be a top up. Six seven pick henry rugs. I got people to tell me that. They think he'll be a top twenty. Pick in devante Smith Stud I mean. They got three wide receivers. They're going to go in the top fifty and a quarterback that might go number one overall but Lsu is someone told me this week in the League they actually match up pretty well because there are three best players on defense or arguably the three DB's they got three legit corners like they can cover Lsu for the first time has a quarterback that should be able to score points against Alabama. Because you watch the last several for years I can't score any points the over under in this game if you would said if I just did some research I didn't do on necessarily what the over under Ben last five or six games. When these two teams played my guess would be somewhere in the mid forties again educated? Guess it's sixty three on Sunday. Sixty three Eh. That's pretty that's and that shows you that these two teams offense oriented. I think they're both in the top five in scoring and passing yards. That's how they win. Sabin has nothing left to prove. He could win five morning like he he just is what he is. He's arguably the greatest college football coach ever one. Countless National Championships Produce Countless first rounders had has have had one of the great tenure stretches. We've ever seen not Addison College athletics. Athletics he has single handily. Kick the crap out of everyone. It's been awesome to watch. I became kind of an Alabama fan to be honest with you but I can't lie. I'm room for radio and I'm someone that blasted video when he was like. Oh you can't give the job. LSU Hired Eddie. I thought they were nuts. What's he shot me up and I think sometimes I enjoy that? I don't mind if I'm the guy that got shut up or the person that supports the person that ultimately shut up that's really cool in a day and age. When everyone has an opinion everyone's tweeting out or facebook in about what's right and what's wrong? WHO's good news? Bad add still scoreboard in football basketball and baseball and in all sports someone wins someone loses and yeah he took over. LSU Hugh and they're historically really talented. Let's not act like they were winning. Eleven twelve games a year when he took over like they were kind of in shambles. Less miles had hit a tipping point if they they weren't good anymore their quarterback and their offense was a joke will eddie. Oh went to the New Orleans Saints. which were he worked for a couple of years and he hired this thirty year old? Oh guy named Joe Brady. He's technically not the offensive coordinator but he's the wide receiver coach in passing game coordinator. A young guy came from Sean Payton and obviously Audio's defensive coordinator. I think Dave Aranda is really really good but were they kind of hang their hat on their defensive coordinator. He is David Random. I got coaching staff. Pulled up right now joe. Brady's thirty years old who was basically an analyst or quality. Control Guy for Sean Payton. But UH Eddie does change this guy's life and he's obviously changed. LSU's lives but this guy is going to get offense coordinator opportunities all around the country. Probably probably after this year he wins this game to me. He's a one hundred percent lock offensive coordinator next year because the one thing that unique about being a younger guy. I sometimes on one of these. Staffs for Sean Payton or Andy Reid or your defensive guy for Pete Carroll the amount of knowledge because of the amount of work you do for that coach if you're on their side of the ball is pretty stupid. I would imagine Joe Brady doctor would be like yeah I was. I was essentially the Sean Payton Secretary. Football Secretary whatever he needed scheme. Wise cut ups wise. I was in charge of it. I mean all the game plan meetings with them. I got a front row seat at this this genius. And that's what Sean Payton is. He's an offensive genius and this guy clearly soaked it up turns out. He's a good coach as well and he has helped Joe Bureau and this passing in game two heights that I think all of us would always be like God. How did they do not win the National Championship? Look back. They had Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry and they couldn't pass ask well. They finally have a quarterback and I'm ruined for Lsu in this game there are six point. Underdog I think it would be an incredible story about Ed overrun. Who Listen? I wasn't alone. I would imagine. Many people listen laughed when he got the job but it turns out he was the perfect man for the job and even if he loses this this game that there is no shame in losing saving if he loses close in this game to me they will probably be the fourteen in Lsu with one loss. That's close loss on the road. Alabama who Shirley would then go undefeated would be in a pretty good position. Still make the playoffs. I think we have to give the guy some respect for even putting his team in this position hiring the right staff always been a relentless recruiter in just is there anything cooler than when. LSU's going to football. I mean we've seen Bama Hammarby good of football now for a decade. I think it's cool when there are other teams that conference especially this program. That is good because you know. They're a bunch of pros the the team and the fan base of so swag doubt I'm ruined for LSU The Sunday but it'd be a nice little change up and it would be it. It would be a pretty cool moment. Radio what's up everyone. I'm willful in senior writer and producer for thrillers with some amazing Podcast News. We just launched our very first podcast thrill US best and the rest every week. You can hear me and my amazingly talented colleagues talk about the best of the best food drink travel and entertainment like what's the best city tomorrow up in. What's the best thing to order a Taco Bell? What's the Best Pixar movie? Listen to thrill US best and the rest you get an inside look at how we make our list rank or ranks and figure out what's the best of the best in the things that really matter. Consider this your escape from the cold cold tune in on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever podcast okay. Let's dive into the Games weekend. We actually I think have sixteen byes. There aren't when I write down all all the Games aren't as many as typically there are now part of that. Is I guess. We got a game on Monday game on Thursday. But that's always the case when you got you know you're missing three extra games or at least two extra games. That's you know. Kind of sucks but also not easier makes for a quicker segment. That's for sure bills at the browns bills. Getting two and a half points at Cleveland. Well I don't see in any world how how you could be confident about Freddie Kitchens and Baker Mayfield who were both. Let's call it what it is in shambles against Sean McDermott in this bills defense. which for the the most part has been pretty dominant all season long like just that match up in a vacuum is awful? Then when you factor in the browns are two and six Coming off a game where they got thoroughly outplayed by the Denver broncos coming home where the fans are GonNa be a little restless I this tough spot for Cleveland Man. I liked the bills. Plus two and a half. Cleveland went lose this game. I mean we're talking about a four or five win season maybe three wins. I mean maybe just. The wheels fall off Freddie Kitchens Freddie my kitchen is on fire is just a shambles and I say this to people all the time because the the AFC playoff picture there's a little more open obviously than the NFC of just the bills are going to win ten games and they're going to be a playoff team. I feel confident right now. Even before this game calling the bills playoff lock doc. Now part of that is there in the AFC. But do you feel good about the Cleveland. Browns playing a playoff lock even if it isn't AFC team. I don't so I I think. The browns two and seven. You guys stink cards at Tampa cards getting four and a half Jamus Watch that game against Seattle. He was actually pretty good. He's one of those weird players that can be one of the worst players in the League one series and then be one of the best players in the League for another series. Part of that is Mike Evans. He's a stud. Ronald Jones has been much better. Chris Godwin's really good. They just have a lot of weapons. I don't think the offense excuse me. The cards defense is very good. Cardinals haven't played since last Thursday. So they're getting a little extra time Tampa played in Seattle. So that's a long trip home. I I'M GONNA TAKE TAMPA I I. I just think they have a lot better players. I think it's just I like Tampa minus four and a half in this game giants at the jets. WHO's watching this game? I mean you talk about a game. Couldn't mean much less being in the capital the biggest media market in America and you have two teams were the jets one and seven and the giant two and six. So I mean they're combined basically just is competition who's GONNA draft higher potentially be the number one overall pick well probably be Cincinnati but God these teams terrible they really are these teams suck who were thought. I feel bad for saquon Barkley. I don't feel as is bad for Sam darnold anymore. You know the motto incident and he's just been terrible He just got to pick it up. He's got to play better you know. He's got to stop doing James Type. Thanks because if you start getting compared to James We got a pretty big red flag. The winner of this game is kind of irrelevant. I would say if the jets lose this game. Are we talking about like a two thousand fourteen season. You'RE GONNA go two and fourteen the first year as a head coach I get you guys stink but two thousand fourteen. That's Jim Thompson I always say one. Five and eleven falcons at the saints. This this single number. I guess not a double digit number should be the biggest indictment. Why Dan Quinn should be? He really does his duties immediately. When the season's over this used to be one of the better rivalries in the NFL for the last decade? They've been pretty good the saints. Obviously you've been really good and they just. They've had a good rivalry there. Thirteen and a half point. Underdog coming off a bye. Let me repeat that there are thirteen and a half point. Underdog coming off a bye. I watched earlier this week getting ready for the Monday night. SEATTLE FORTY NINERS GAME ATLANTA AGAINST SEATTLE. I mean their defense like do they even practice. They know what's going on because they definitely have weapons on offense Julio's still one of the best players in the League Calvin Religious Dud match shop through four hundred fifty yards against Seattle. It was their defense is just hideous. I mean it's it's a joke I don't get it Dan. Quinn your defense coordinator. I don't necessarily love the saints in the number in the sense just because Atlantic and score Khawla points. But that's you're basically two touchdown a two touchdown underdog to rival. That's wild the saints are clearly one of the best teams the league so it's not shocking but man things change fast Atlanta like saints to win that Game Ravens as Cincy. I don't know what to say the the ravens the I guess the only red flag on this game is the Ravens played one of the best games. They've played in five years against the Patriots on national television. Lamar was was unreal. We're all humans so when when the ravens players are sitting down there how do they take Cincinnati. Seriously I get. How coaches do it? They manipulated nip related in their mind. Any team can beat anyone on a given Sunday. That's true except when you play the bengals. I don't think they can beat any team now unless the ravens just do not even attempt the practice or try. And I'm talking to the coaches well. I'm talking about the players. I think Lamar's not really wired like that which is a good thing. Planet opponent like Cincinnati the crowd and will probably be half empty in Cincinnati at expect the Ravens to win but I kinda like the Bengals plus ten and a half. I wouldn't even vet the game panthers at the packers. This would be a game. If you're on the McCaffrey train for MVP if he goes for one fifty and they win this game at Lambeau. I don't think he'll end up winning the MVP is probably going to go to Watson. Or go to go to Russell Wilson but McCaffrey can throw his hat in the ring and have legitimate shot to be like come on guys I. I'm one of the best players in this game easily. One of the best non quarterbacks in this game I don't even think that's arguable at this point but the packers who just got their ass kicked against the chargers did not play well at all Bosa and Ingram kick their ass. You'd expect them to come back. I said this when the panthers came to San Francisco if the forty niners are a real defense you kick kyle ass. And that's what the forty niners did they kicked woke them. Now at the packers are a legitimate one or two seat I think at the end of the day is probably going to go to the saints and the niners but packers are seven and two right in this thing. You Work Kyle Allen. I've had multiple coaches telling me Mike Pence one of the better defensive coordinators in the league this type of game where you just come in Lambo College you get destroyed now and McCaffrey. You should have two people. Follow him wherever he goes. But this to me should be a packers defensive game against cal Allen were they make him look like a scrub lions lions at the bears minus two and a half. The bears are minus two. And a half you get three points for being home team that shows you vegas doesn't think Chicago very good and right. Now they're not. Their offense is atrocious. Their defense has not played situationally very well. They've had a huge drop off from Vic Fangio to Chuck Pagano Oh has been massive has been has been very very big. I love the guy. He's one of my favorite players in recent memory but clue maximum plan. I'm very well. His effort is very hit or Miss Right. Now they're paying them ninety million dollars the highest paid player in in NFL history defensive player to dominate to who dominate and. Remember years ago. And I've talked about this before. I guess it was last year bill. Belichick was offended by the Lawrence. Taylor talk you should have been because Lawrence Taylor Taylor plays balls off and right now Khalil's kind of going through the motions. It's for guy who standards are super high. It's borderline kind of embarrassing and that's where fangio would not allow it despite Gano allowing it. You're coaching or allowing it to happen. The lions offense is one of the more entertaining offense in the league. Stafford having a career year the Hopkinson Guy. They draft in the top ten. The tight ends a Stud Jones and get and in Golladay players like they can throw the ball all over the yard. I this this is a scary matchup for the bears. Man there in desperation mode. Nagy and Mitch are desperate for a win facing the lions team. Who is just is just a weird urge shitty team because they're going to win five or six games when the dust settles the end of the year but they're going to have one of the best offenses in the League dolphins at the Colts Unlike Cincinnati? It's a little easier to take Miami seriously just because on tape they do play. Really hard. indies coming off a pretty devastating loss at Pittsburgh. Berg question now has Jacoby is gonNA play this week. Even if he doesn't play how long the out if he does play. Willie look the same. Is that knee injury going to be something that lingers lingers because he's a much better player than Brian Hoyer so I if indies gotta start. Brian Hoyer for several weeks in a row their playoff position and starts being somewhat in question. They get knocked out of the playoff. Mix Fast you lose. A couple of games Houston separates themselves. Give some of these teams like the the chargers the raiders. They don't go away both. Those teams have beat Indy. A I would expect any to win this game but if you gotTa Start Brian Hoyer man this. This Miami team is not quitting like the bengals and the redskins and even the jets who play lifeless that has not been the dolphin style. This is a weird spot for indie. Where you kind of want overlooking opponent? But you're not quite good enough to overlooking opponent and we've seen India when they play down to their competition they can lose when they play way up to their competition. They are good but when they play down anyone can beat them ravens or excuse me Ravens Rams at the steelers rams coming off a by I would imagine Jalen Ramsey chases around Juju a steelers. Listen they're four and four. They're in this thing. You know there are only only two games back right now. The Ravens if they win this game and they're five and four and they've beaten back to back weeks the colts and the rams are GonNa be feeling pretty good about themselves. The Rams win this weekend can they'll become an off a bye B.. Six three. They'll feel were healthy. We traded for Jalen Ramsey. Let's make a run at this thing. Let's make a freak and run depending on what happens on Monday night football. If somehow the San Francisco for slip up and Seattle were to beat them they go well the niners gotta loss and they're still gonNA play the they still gotta play us again. They have to play New Orleans. They gotTA play Green Bay. They gotTA play the Ravens. I gotTA play Seattle again in Seattle. The things on like donkey Kong baby. If the steelers win you know. Just just like I talked about their culture. The nine seven written all over them. I would lean the rams in this game but some about Mike Tomlin some about without playing in Pittsburgh something about this team had a little life I I am not going to bury the steelers by any means game of the day Vikings Cowboys. He's starting with the Vikings. I want to say rush them back but they tried to get feeling back on the field and his hamstring pulled again and as of recording this. He hasn't practice actus yet this week. So that's a problem when their offense is really dominant. They have to wide receiver. You can't double team. Dick's you're GonNa Double Team Dick's okay. I'll throw Phelan every every play. You're going to stack the box okay. I'll throw it to those guys you're GONNA play coverage I'll slam you a Delvin Cook when you miss one of those three guys. It becomes a problem when they have all all three of those guys on the field. Dalvin Cook Adam feeling and digs kirk. Cousins looks like a stunt when he's missing one. He looks a little more pedestrian and this is in Dallas. Pretty big swing game for the cowboys. Eagles already lost Vikings. So if you beat the Vikings you're in pretty good shape. You just had a pretty easy win on Monday night. Football Vandereycken was limited in practice. But even Vandross can't go one of the cowboys biggest luxuries right now is sean leaves their backup. So if Sean Lee. ISP You're starting middle linebacker right next to Jalen Smith. You're in pretty good shape. I'm fascinated and fired up to watch this game. I just have a hard time thing in the vikings can win without feeling. You're telling me Kirk cousins is going to play well enough against that Dallas Defense on Sunday night football I just closed my eyes and say that out loud and have a hard time envisioning that kirk cousins is GonNa play well Sunday night football just disclosure is and say that they're like Oh what am I talking about. Because he won't because he never does so I I I like the cowboys in this game. I her radio brings you some of the biggest podcasts of all time like stuff you should know and stuff you missed in history class plus the hottest podcast of the last year like like the Ron Burgundy podcast disgrace link and monster the Zodiac killer. 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I know you asked about the Moore but another good example went one and when you watch Jalen hurts I think he's helped himself out a lot but he has years of tape of being really really inaccurate. I also think you see. He's is not quite the runner. Like when you watch. Kyle Lamar there are a little more explosive. Little Faster Jalen is a little more like a true running back a little slower but much more physical. I mean still really really good player. I could not draft. Jalen hurts of the first round. I probably couldn't again. Maybe I'm jaded because of Alabama and you talk to people that go through Oklahoma Homa that maybe they think differently. I will be stunned if he goes in the in the first round absolutely stunned while the front office okay. I have a question about the panthers while the Front Office has to decide what to do between Cam in Cal Allen. McCaffrey has become the best running back league. I feel you like the need to get this quarterback situation figure out before they waste. CMC's talent do you think they should move on from Cam enroll with Alan or try to draft a quarterback in the near future. I liked the idea of drafting someone. Because CAM is too injury prone and now that Allan seems like he can't be more than just a game manager. Well the good part about I think camps on all right so this season's done you have the rest of this year and you play the packers this weekend. Right you play the packers this weekend. which is a big game? Talk about talked about that L. O.. Earlier you can find out this year. What just play this year out if you get ten and six and can make a wildcard then Kyle Allen has done enough to be your quarterback next year if you end up going eight nate and he kind of shifts the bad against the packers like he did against the niners and then again when you play the saints the draft a guy and if memory serves me correct didn't they draft will greer this year like the fourth or third round but yeah I guess they could be in the market again for sure you could always you can always trade cam? Maybe maybe get another pick. You know maybe get a second round pack or something and use it on a player but but I think as you sit here November seventh. You have two more months of a trial run Ronald Kyle Allen. But like you said you you not only have Christian McCaffrey you got. Dj More like you have some other players on offense Samuel you can be an explosive offense. 'cause Christian is so Special Greg Olsen still playing. Well the defense is still solid. Luke still one of the best players in the league that yeah I mean. I think it's not just much about Christian. McCaffrey has just. You need a quarterback to win this league. And if Kyle's good enough to just have you compete for the play offs. Could you just add more guys to go along along with him and have an even better team with him. I think you have options. And that's as long as Alan keep playing solid football. He leaves the options open for you. But he v. ever starts playing terrible considering like like he ultimately becomes who most people thought it was going to be just an undrafted free agent. You know start playing poorly then you just move on. That's probably the worst case scenario. I'm unfortunately a diehard bears fan. I was wondering what your thoughts are on the future of Ryan Pace should he be fired for one of the biggest whiffs in. NFL history that even a casual fan like myself saw coming. I know it's a huge mistake at the most important position but I think he's done a great job building. The rest of the team outside of trubisky should the city of Chicago. Give him a second chance. I think one hundred percent. I don't know Ryan Pace. I know people obviously that. No they like them a lot. I've heard he's a super high character. Great human being and like you said minus the quarterback that roster is really really good like you put us top fifteen quarterback back on that roster. You'd be a playoff team. I think we can all admit that right now. You have a bottom five quarterback in your awful now. The defense has played as well but the roster talent is there you you get whiffs in football now. I think that he has to come out at the end of the season. Basically raise his hand and admit I whiffed you have to be candid with your failure. If he tries to hide from it or run from it were pretend like it doesn't happen and not move on from Mitch. I got no problem with Chicago screaming for him to be fired. I think he deserves more time. He's getting he's GonNa get more time but he has asked to admit his wrong and cut. Mitch Trubisky you cannot roll back next year with medieval does the backup. He's not a backup quarterback. You just keep Jason Jason. Go sign some other Cam Newton. Andy Dalton whoever. Your upgrade is Philip rivers whoever you can get because whoever can get is going to be better than Mitch but you got to move on from Mitch Catch and I think everyone will acknowledge listen. You took a swing you missed. It stings a little Shawn Watson but you can't cry over spilled milk. It's water under the bridge. Let's move on and let's go find our quarterback because you got all these guys on our contract come back next year and the team should be pretty talented. So Yeah I do not think you should be fired. But the the absolute key is to admit that he whiffed and we've seen time and time again. The general managers coaches humans in general. It doesn't even have to be a sports can be stubborn man and this is a very public job. So you cut Mitch Trubisky. You are admitting to the world that you whiffed even now we all know you did. I think that's easier for us on the outside is tell you to do than it actually is for people to do a big sports fan. But I'm a true a student of the game especially with football coach High School for a few years and I studied film with Nfl Game Pass in college football film. Like I currently have a cushy forty six thousand dollar job in Nashville Asheville but I loved move back into coaching scouting. Maybe this is a personal one. I was supposed to read but I was reading it. You have any tips for me. Currently what are some steps. I can get back into do the industry. I feel like I was put on this earth to do. What is a realistic option for me? And what type of pay is in the industry pay. Well I mean I. I always recommend recommend when people ask. How do you get into scouting in college football? And you've already coached in highschool. Try to get involved in college. You know whether it's just an a you know sometimes the socks you gotta be an unpaid assistant just to get your foot in the door. If you can ever get your foot in the door you'll have a chance to be seen by people and I'd say the most powerful thing about the professional football in in college indefinitely the pros if you get your foot in the door with a team. I just got my foot in the door with the two thousand ten eagles what turns out Brett. Vh was there. Louis Riddick was is there Phillips Phil. Savage was how Rosiere Andy. Reid was. Air Sean McDermott. Was There Matt. Nagy was there. Doug Peterson was there. I didn't know any of those guys who Andy Reid was. I know the rest of them and you just never know same thing with college football when I got involved in college football I had guys like Doug Nussmeier now. The tight end coach at at for the cowboys cowboys. who was on our staff? We had several players that played in the league. We have some players now that are coaching around college football. You just it's a powerful sport because it's like ah it's like a spider web that spreads so quickly in a so many connections and you can always connect back to the one part of the web where you started and you just gotta get your foot in the door so if you really wanNA coach Just do whatever you have to do to get your National Tennessee. Go you know vanderbilt. They they fired Derek Mason. Whoever they bring in the next coach go down to the football office in February? And I want in. I'll do whatever you need to do in just say no. Just come back the next day. Sam Won't take no for an answer. I'm serious I mean I. I've done stuff like that before it. It doesn't always work but sometimes that might lead to something else the problem with the Jaguars going to London. That every away game would be a major way game. Imagine going from London to Dallas and back eleven hour flight rough. There's a reason there's a bye week before teams that travel. It'd be brutal. I agree when when I gave my My theory of moving the Jags the London. It's their holes in the theory and there are holes in my plan of having a team being over there fulltime because the travel as deep. What about when you know if the Jaguars let's say they moved to London and they're in the AFC East what about when the AFC east plays the NFC west and yeah you get to home games but you also gotta play between the four of them? The cardinals Seattle Title L. A. And San Francisco. There's no there's no disputing the travel would be a mother. But it's pretty clear that the league's sniffing around over there so I'm just trying trying to get ahead of it. I'm not saying there aren't holes. In the theory I fully understand time travel and how far six hours from New York like you said seven and a half price from Dallas rate from Dallas Eleven. Maybe eleven thousand eleven both ways. I don't know I've never been to London. Venice main long way away so I get that but I think we're headed that way I really do or or maybe we're headed to a place where we just do a London game for like eight straight weeks and we just rotate podcast. Founding through the heard thing on the weekly we're okay. Thanks Bro is Baker's career salvageable at this point. Yeah I I mean come on guys. It's your one and a half. I understand that he has been a skilled accurate passer for most of his career. But I just can't imagine someone who appears to have such little self-awareness struggles with maturity and stuck to this. I'm Baker and I won't change mentality appears to be a recipe for disaster. But maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. I don't even even think that's arguable. Right now baker his his at arrogance probably the wrong word but his stubbornness with this is my. The highway is killing him and listen. If you're listening you're over thirty years old just turned thirty five ten years ago when I was twenty five. I've actually pried more arrogant cocky. Now I was much more. I was more immature than but I was much more willing to keep my mouth shut. Not and I think it's just kind of you are kind of who you are and in fairness to him. His cockiness was created and there was substance substance behind it. He went Oklahoma. He earned a scholarship. He was a three year starter. They went to the playoffs twice. He was the number one pick in the draft. Everyone one in Cleveland. Lebron left got on their knees in basically gave this guy. You please save us. You know I mean they treated this Guy King so he he thinks the way he acts is right right. It's like if if you do something wrong when you're a little kid and no one tells you that it's wrong. You don't know the difference I. It's like when a dog choose your shoe until you get mad at your dog. scold your dog when they're young for doing that. They don't know that they just chewing because they're chewing doing the chew right and some dogs. You can yell at them all you want. They're still going to the shoe so there's a chance that Baker Mayfield's mentality may never change but it's definitely going to take some legit failure. I think for him to change he just he's makes too much money he's he's never really taken heat up until until this year now maybe the heat in the pressure will get to them. But I don't know I I. I'm pretty concerned. I got a pretty big red flag on Baker Mayfield. So I'm a bears fan. Who feels like his parents are going through a divorce Mitch? Nagy could be not worse. Matt could be a match for each other. Mitch would benefit greatly from being an offense events like the forty niners ravens or the seahawks days when they were play calling in a run heavy quarterback that doesn't have to think much is a possible reasonable nagy to transform the offense to be more like. Kyle's I side Note Watson or mahomes would be sweet with Nagy I think I would hate Mitch. Trubisky I think Kyle would despise Mitch. trubisky Mr Bisky is on an accurate accurate quarterback. He has no clue where the ball's going on. Kyle's plays on the play action stuff. I Agree Matt needs to run some more under center stuff with Mitch but just because you go under center you turn your back on the play action you turn around you eventually get hit somebody in Mitch has guys open every game. He's air mailing them by thirty feet. I think kyle would want to strangle them. I get in theory. You think. Well Kyle every offense yeah. He deals with a lot of accurate. Passers and Mitch has been very very inaccurate of late. I'm telling you Jimmy Garoppolo is driving cal. Nuts Cao Cao would cut mitch trubisky like three weeks ago. Sport Management Student at the University of Cincinnati would love to get into football for an office. What should I do to try? Try to get in with the bengals. Well you know. Here's the positive. I think they got two scalps so the the scouting department. It is thin. I in all sincerity. I would just show up at the office and just ask to talk with I think Dick Tobin is their general manager or Mike Brown show up. I mean it's crazy as as you show up and say I want in volunteer. I have worked at the sports management. I'll will do whatever it takes. Get your coffee all do whatever you need me to do. It doesn't matter where you want me to like carry the footballs out the practice practice. You want me to log in the hit tapes. Whatever you need me to do I'll do now? You might have to say I'll do it for free but then might be your in May. Yeah you gotTa be careful with Mike Brown. He might let you work for free for a while but I would. I would highly recommend just showing up someone in business told me that a long time ago and for the most part in the jobs I have. I never had to do that. Until on my other podcasts. When I had to start selling aunts and I work with Matt Agency so a lot of them is not in person but I've I scored some deals just from showing up and just telling you and I know a lot of stories of people that got into football by just knocking on the door knocking on the coach's door or knocking on the door sending letters I I would say like that's a little old school sending letters? I don't know if that works as much anymore and sending emails we all know how. How many spam emails you get? I think you're better off just showing up and just just relentlessly showing up. That would that would be my advice. Don't be a stocker though. But toed the line get right there on the fence of like is this Guy Docker or is this guy desperate for a job and people appreciate that stuff they really do especially the football world. These people are nuts and they just want people that are committed. And we'll do whatever takes if you show them. You'll do whatever it takes to show up every day till you can speak to someone and then you get your shot throw your haymaker not literally at the guy but just your best. Wherever you got whatever pitches you got thrown if you ever get a chance to doc to somebody but that would be my advice? Pre everyone listening. been a fun week looking forward to Lsu Alabama. That's that game's going to be sweet. Who would have thought? The raiders are five and four but but but here we are Three now podcast. All your friends audios have a great weekend so you When it comes to sports history doesn't change or or does it come find out

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