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Are Trump press conferences really political rallies in disguise? Phil Rucker, Shannon Pettypiece and Ian Bremmer

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Are Trump press conferences really political rallies in disguise? Phil Rucker, Shannon Pettypiece and Ian Bremmer

"From Washington SORTA call it Arlington Chuck. Todd this is Chuck Todd Calf. As of the time recorded this podcast. Nearly thirteen thousand Americans have died of ours in this country and our cultures evolved to try to fight the virus the political narratives of evolved as well. The question is is the president involved with it to people. Keep a close eye on all the moves inside the West one. They'll record White House. Bureau chief for The Washington Post in Shannon Petty Senior White House reporter for NBC News Digital and later ready to take a look into the crystal ball to answer. What is the new normal for the world after cove nineteen global political scientists and president of Eurasia Group in? Bremmer will discuss how this will affect everything from authoritarian regimes to America's role in the world. But I the White House response to the Corona Virus Shannon and Phil back to the podcast and I and I think I'm GonNa ask you the question that I get asked every day. Some former another and you may know what it is is. I'm sure you both get asked the same question. Which is what is it with the president at these briefings. And why do people in the media keep covering it since the U. People is we people Shed and I'll start with you You know these briefings are vague Make your case as to why the Americans should. I think there is a lot of information in these at doesn't necessarily come from the president. Actually I would say the information. He's often does it. Come from the president but I think Dr Burks and Dr Doughty have given Yo severely tremendous insights into what the scientific community is thinking about where this infection going. How BEST TO PROTECT OURSELVES And you know a essentially what cautions everyday Americans should be taken and given some some warnings there so I think there is. There is big value from that perspective. But I from the president's time on the podium these have as many people have observed serve become a substitute for a campaign rally and his opportunity to get out there invent to attack his perceived enemies of the moment And to try and get his message and his spin on the message. Directly to people circumventing what is being reported in the rest of the news media outside of Fox News so I think it is a fair criticism that these do at times turned into a political rally. But I also think the difficult balance because like I said there is real information that actually comes from the scientists involved in this and I just as a regular person feel like I have watched these and it has changed my views about how I should be protecting myself whether I should be traveling whether I going to the grocery store or wearing a mask and those sort of things Phil Rucker Do you believe you know it's interesting. You could cover these. If this were the nineteenth century you could simply ignore all the silly parts of it and just write about the information. If you knew your audience hadn't seen the briefing. You wouldn't feel like you were leaving anything out. I feel as if because we know these are televised. We feel it's necessary to cover the hijacks. Yeah I think that's right. Shaq intercept performance our quality to what the president's trying to do here. He has been under siege for months now because of his slow acknowledgement of the threat of Corona Virus. And and the time it took the administration to really take it seriously and so in turn what he's done with these briefings. It's to try to prevent image of command and control if you just have the briefing on Mute You see the president with numbers on a screen behind him that show. How many masks ventilators or whatever they're sending to stakes and then you see all these people that he's flanked by. Sometimes their uniforms members of the military sometimes the surgeon. General's there sometimes. It's the doctor's always vice. President pence is right over his shoulder. with a sign of acknowledgment and support in his body language and I think for trump. He is trying to use these briefings as an opportunity to present an image of command that doesn't necessarily align with the facts on the ground at how administration's handling it which is troubled Shannon. I WANNA go back because it's a great question that US last week. It was the way you worded it and it was funny. He didn't jump down your throat and normally he would on this issue and if the issue of testing right the biggest single you know error in our response has been the testing bockel. And you simply ask you promise. Twenty seven million tests just asking winter. We expect the other twenty six million and he. He fumbled the bed. 'cause he tries to drown us in number sometimes but it does seem as if he's behaving this way because he knows he messed up and trying to recover sort of like gum. You're walking down the sidewalk in front of the cool kids and you trip and stumble a little bit then you have to dust yourself off and start walking cooler like ever did before. Pretend nothing happened. That's sometimes how I kind of feel like he is walking out here trying to act like every you know yes I just stumbled but everything's fine now and maybe blame someone else. They'd say who put that there. How did I trip over that? Maybe somebody else? He's always gotTa Blake Sidewalk there. That's a terrible idea right. And and that's part of these briefings to is laying the groundwork for who to blame the. Who was the latest blame? Victim the governors. The Governor of Michigan was the want to be blamed over that of course Biden. The Obama Administration always gets the blame So you testing. He blame that on it. You know a a and again. It's not actually accurately says terrible faulty broken system. It's just a system created for something else for different type of disease outbreak. Don't even now. Yeah that never. He keeps saying that in. It's like what are you talking about right. It was essentially a testing system that was designed for something like A. You know a Bulla outbreak or not something that would be so widespread that you would need these sort of rapid quick response rates but they still really haven't been able to answer the question of testing and while that hindered our ability to get started. It is gonNA hinder our ability to get out of this because if we want to reopen the economy and get people back to work we have to be able to test everyone so we can quickly identify someone who wants the cases dropped down. We can identify a new case. All the contract tastes Contract tracing to quarantine people again and stop this from getting out of control and I still don't think we have a an actual answer to that question and they've created so much confusion around it I don't know if that's unintentional. Because it is just a confusing topic or if it's intentional. Because they're trying to cover up the fact that there are still huge testing whole occurring Phil Rucker in the same briefing. Where he he seemed to want to blame the WTO. It was amazing to me what he doesn't know he didn't know anything about the Peter Navarro memo and read it He didn't know any couldn't any idea. Why is it that it could be working class? African Americans could be hit harder by. This just has no idea how that could be. He had no idea what happened with Secretary of Navy. The Acting Secretary of Navy didn't know anything about that. It's a crutch obviously when he doesn't want to comment on something or he doesn't like the facts and he doesn't have an alternative explanation. His answer is I don't know anything about and chuck. We've seen that time and again right. He he knows nothing about Paul Manafort campaign chairman when when Manafort was arrested. We've seen this all the time from him. And what was so striking to just hone in on that. Navarro memo is it was dated near the end of January beginning. January third trump was getting information in his presidential daily brief About Corona virus about the dangerous about the outbreak in China that human level. What what did he ever say he was listening? Now just because somebody was briefing. Him doesn't mean he was listening yet. He tunes this out and he doesn't have much appreciation for the expertise of people in the government. People like Dr Fao. She and others but in all rounds of government and the intelligence community and the national security apparatus. We've seen this over three years of his presidency where he thinks he's the expert. He thinks he knows best and tunes out. Whatever people are telling him so I guess the question is whether I don't think this helps him. I think every day I think this is one of those moments where he thinks Shannon that the hijinks and the entertainment quality of what he brings this job still hold during a pandemic and I just think fit the hijinks that I don't know we'll I'll be curious. I don't know if the country has the same patients when suddenly they're like. Where's My job? Why am I trapped in my house? Repels going on here. Why do you keep bloviating over here? Member Mike Francesa rant. You know it's like way you know. It's like yeah. Here's a guy who was like trump voters. I what the hell's up by pillow guy went up there. Just telling you what the Hell's going on you know. Yeah I mean. We're all probably quite cynical at this point I feel like though if you liked trump before this you watch these and you're you think he is a commander in chief in charge of the country. You think he's doing the best he can. Of course this is not going to be perfect. We've never seen anything like this. You Know He. He did what he could with China if you liked him before you're going to give them the benefit of doubt here if you didn't like them before you're GonNa Watch this and thank keys. A bloviating Idiot whatever your perception of him before was and you can't believe what's happening and that he's caused the death of tens of thousands of people in this is all his fault. I think we just play to a draw again like we've seen in past crises of his presidency like we saw an impeachment people's opinions are so set on him and they've been so set for three or four years now and while it seemed like he got a little bit of a bumped in polling initially as may be about two weeks ago with his approval rating going up a little bit among Democrats little bit among Republicans. From what I've seen the past week. It looks like everything's leveled off. And we're back to the forty seven percent. Forty seven percent country with this group this group of UNICORNS IN THE MIDDLE. Who can't make up their mind or somewhere like a needle in the haystack of voters. That are somehow at this point and yet Phil Rucker. It was actually such an unforced air politically I look at the the. I look at all of this. You know look this. Donald Trump's entire political career. The last five years to me is a hallmark up. He never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. The fact of the matter is is that a whole bunch of governors who are all going to put down their rhetorical arms right. Now they need you know. The whole country needs the president to succeed even though people that don't like and yet instead of using that opportunity to be to show like even the tiniest ability I mean just shows you how broken he is. Psychologically sometimes because he can't even show the smallest mark of humility and Elvis or you know sort of be an American I. He continues to be a politician. I that's right Shaq. It would be so easy for him to just say look we were. We were slow out of the gate. Everyone was slow out of the gate. Who knew this was going to happen? But we're doing everything to fix it now and to be magnanimous and to work with these governors and not to cast about for blame and to just get the job done. It's not that hard to try to put people in place to do this now. Forget about what happened in the past disco forward but instead he is. He's looking for people to attack. He's attacking governors. Who SPEAK OUT ABOUT HIM? And it's this partisan sort of personal show up there Instead of being the president all Americans Hey Shannon one of the things that I think that I feel like we haven't made a bigger point of and maybe it's maybe it's just a sidebar note. That's worth discussing. But the you know the the one person in America whose life has been. The least changed is the presence. And I've I've wondered like how little he can but like every even people on his own staff have had their lives impact because they don't live in the building he lives in the building he has has. He doesn't actually have become some of what's happening. Well I will say. There were a number of mar-a-lago trips. We were anticipating that. We have not taken. There were a lot of campaign rallies we were doing about one week on average so firm is not getting the campaign rallies that he used to get But yet I mean that's I think that's always been a There's always obviously been this empathy gap with him in. How does he empathize with someone? Who has both people in the family have lost their job? And you know unemployment is not gonNA cover the bills or had you do empathize with someone who's caring for a sick family member who's been sick for two weeks now. Who is waking up in the middle of the night to check on them to make sure they're still breathing. He has always struggled to empathize with people On a lot of fronts and I think that all presidents probably have difficulty connecting with the average person once. They've been there but I don't think he ever really could act the average person and I think that's always lead to this this struggle we've seen in that in moments of crisis for him to be that consoler in Chief. Cliche that we always use. While we're in the middle of this little breaking news with Bernie Sanders bowing to reality here. Suspending his campaign the day after the Wisconsin primary even though we don't know the actual results yet we're not gonNA know those but before I get to the to the whatever left whatever fall-outs left of that I think that's just feels like A. Oh so he conceded type of thing and then and we move on. There was an oh by the way story in the White House this weekend. That is the White House. Shakeup at new chief-of-staff new press secretary the more things change. Though I assume Phil Rucker the most more things will stay the same. Seems that way. Check look. You can change the people in these jobs but every day president trump is going to be his own chief of staff and his own press secretary and his own lawyer and his own adviser. And we've seen this from day one He's brought in Mark Meadows of a political loyalists in a much more sort of campaign minded person to be his chief of staff in the changes that he's making already in the communications and press operations seem geared towards getting ready for the general election campaign against Biden. bringing press secretary. Who's going to be an on air television defender and spokesperson not really deal at the press necessarily in. Just get kind of a war room operation inside the White House. It's the president becomes fixated on the Campaign Shannon The task force the tension that is clearly starts to bubble up. Whether it's the odd roles. Peter Navarro is playing Or the the president deciding to play Doctor. At times you can see the pain to faces about. Jason Burks. Does this task force state attack for the through the summer or do we think this tension that bubbled is just GonNa get worse as they try to reopen country. Yeah I I don't know that that's that's a good point that we're gonNA come to a the president's patients is GonNa wear off and obviously his patients was starting to wear off You know at the beginning of the month when he was talking about or even before the beginning of the month when he was talking about reopening the country by Easter and the scientists had an intervention. Rained him back in. I mean there's been a number of these moments where his staff not even just the scientists but other staff who get it have had to hold an intervention and rain him back in? So how many times can that be done? And like we have seen through everything in this administration. Those people can only hold back the reins on this president so much before. He is just going to do it his way and say you know. Throw it away. I'm doing I'm following my gut on following my instinct. I'm pulling out of the Paris climate accord I'm putting those tariffs on whatever the drastic thing. He was contemplated at the moment was he does it now. We've got maybe three or four months laughed can they? Maybe they can hold the reins on that long. You know eight or nine months Definitely not but I think Especially though as we really get in to the point where he's got a ramp up his campaign and his reelection his focus is going to start to shift there and he's GonNa Start to lose attention in this area and that's where you're going to see the patients where out that's probably where it's going to be. That's that's what I'm thinking of. Quick Phil Rucker Peter. Navarro leaking a memo that. He warned about a pandemic in January. I I'm saying he did. I don't know that he did it but it was conveniently time just when he was taking it. Taking a press beating on the Chin over clashing with Bausch and Lo and behold here comes here comes this memo but it felt like one of those moments where he was trying to brandish his own resume he did the pre he ended up damaging the president at the same time. What's more likely with this memo that? This memo was written circulated among mid level staff and blocked from the president or it did get to them and they're just choosing Amnesia. You know it's a good question and I don't actually know the answer but my gut says they blocked it from getting the president first of all the president doesn't actually read a lot of memos He doesn't Rita's daily briefing from the intelligence community. He prefers to be briefed orally. So the idea that they would present a multi paves document to him and he would read. It doesn't really align with reality there but Navarro is known inside the White House. It's as someone always sounding the alarm especially on China. You know a lot of people inside the administration. Don't respect him. They think he's the kind of dangerous and causing trouble all the time. And so there certainly is a scenario where It was kept from getting the president. Because they didn't want the president to overreact about China in the middle of You know what have been pretty tense trade negotiations with that country Yeah he is. He is one of the most interesting characters to cover. White House Mr Navarro is he. Not Yes and. I would second what Phil said when my colleagues and I started asking around about this memo People said to US lesson. Peter Navarro is always going around with Psalm. Memo's Chai he's China chicken little right right whether it's something China's comet et cetera. And it was just like. Yeah yeah whatever. Almost of a boy who cried wolf type of thing but of course Peter Navarro. You know to your point that all of a sudden he's supposed to supposed to look like this hero. Who saw it coming? He was in January. It was not a big secret anymore that there was something big happening out there. China shut down an entire city of like eight million people. I think it was That that's something kind of crazy going on so it was on the front page of the New York Times all the time. I'm sure what she imposed as well It wasn't a secret that only Peter Navarro knew about at that level well. I'd said that we were going to dive a little bit into the Bernie thing. But I really don't think there's a lot of impact from Bernie getting out except for one thing the fact that he's out now and not at the convention and there's not drama to this is that I think it Phil Rucker. I'm curious I just think it makes it that much harder for trump to exploit you know angry Bernie supporters when it sort of fizzles as early as quickly as this campaign now looks at. This is if it did exactly and it's fizzled Much faster than than the sanders campaign did in two thousand sixteen. For example in. It'll trump will not be able to make the argument that The nomination was stolen from thorny standards because standards just didn't have the votes to back up his case. He was clearly losing to Joe Biden. It's probably helpful to the Democrats that they're become consolidation now than than in the summertime although there's a real challenge here for Biden to inject himself into the new cycled to get out there when trump is dominating every day and we're in the middle of the pandemic people don't WanNa hear about your college affordability plans or or any of the other plans at the my I is. He doesn't need to grow avenue. Nobody wants to hear about it right now. So he should. He should take it except that I do think the one thing to watch for now is how strongly Bernie threw his support behind Biden. And how much help he gives the Biden campaign because that was the complaint the Clinton campaign has had is that he never really gave a full throated endorsement to Clinton and he never really helps them the way they wanted to help. He didn't do the surrogate events they wanted him to do. He did the ones he wanted to do. He had his message not their message so to see if he really becomes a partner to buy an RV continues being Bernie and going off and doing Bernie thing and not actively working against Biden of course in any way our guys. I'm GONNA pause it. There fell and Shannon. Thanks for Working from home. I guess we're all doing that base days. I hope you're staying safe and healthy fan and you have to you go out in public every once in a while. Those briefings your yeah. We have a week in the White House and then two weeks and then a week Mac. Yes so I'm in my I'm in my quarantine phase one gene week. All right yes life. Stop Streep careful guys. Thanks very much. Thanks to after your report danger. We'll be right back with enbrel after quickly. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'LL BE TALKING WITH JOHN. Berry author of the book the Great Influenza about the last Global Pandemic. We analyzed what cities did in nineteen eighteen and found that those cities which into remained early at a much better experience at the very least in terms of flattening the curb if the intervening too late the viruses already widely disseminated in your community and no intervention is GonNa have any effect if the enemy is already inside the home. It doesn't do you any good to lock the door. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Welcome back to the chuck. Todd cast joining me now as I said at the top is even better. He is basically a global political scientists as description. It works for me. Chuck you know Yeah Global. Put Your your chairman of the Eurasia Group which means you only worry about countries in Europe and Asia Right. I wish it meant that when I started it back in ninety eight now. A pretty global now and And and I think corona virus making us global even though you wouldn't know that from the headlines for well fair no let me start our conversation off with this quote from the former Prime Minister of Sweden Carl Bilt. He tweeted this at April first and I wanted to make a big deal out of it on Sunday. We just didn't have enough time. This is the first GRADE CRISIS OF THE POST. American world he tweets the UN Security Council is nowhere to be seen. G Twenty is in the hands of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and the White House is trumpeted America. First and everyone alone for years only the virus is globalised. I found the tweet into be it sort of finally said what I was waiting for. Somebody said like this is the first major international emergency where America's not in the lead if anything we're behind that's right it's really right. I mean you know there's so much focus in the United States about what trump did or didn't do to respond here domestically but the real problem in the one that's GonNa stick with us for a much longer. Period of time is the fact that outside the US. America is nowhere to be seen in responding to this crisis and think of how incredibly different that is from two thousand two thousand nine or nine eleven. When not only did we have a rally around the flag effect? Domestically I mean you know Bush after nine eleven was ninety. Two percent approval trump. Today's forty six literally half that right and that's after a bomb but the transatlantic alliance is not coming together. The Chinese certainly are not following the Americans arguably the Chinese out in front even though they're responsible for the cover up the initial outbreak there. Us is nowhere on the global stage. In fact you've got trump saying he's thinking about defunding the World Health Organization which one organization that's actually charged to fight a pandemic and now I've just seen we're we're getting involved. I saw that we WANNA stand in the way of the IMF loaning money Iran under a pandemic and it the entire handling of Iran. Here I look. There's part of me that understands the desire that says maybe the Iranian people will finally see what. It's like to have a horrendous regime. You know this is the price you pay but is that the American way the American ways that the humanitarian way is the one that said you know we really have a problem with your regime but We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Put that on pause while we figure out this virus. Yeah I mean I worry that the support for what the American way is in what we stand for inside. The United States has been eroding for such a long time for so much money that was spent in blood and lives lost on in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. For so many Americans that feel like we've taken care of them at home and that inequality is only going to grow dramatically. On the back of this corona virus the level of support for any kind of humanitarian aid for any kind of. Us leadership outside. America is so much thinner than it used to be. And I don't know I mean even if you had Biden President Bernie Sanders is president. I think diplomacy would be more effective. But it's not clear to me that the Americans would be doing that much more when you see. The healthcare system at home might not be adequate to standing up for the ICU's and the medical personnel that are required to ensure that we don't have triage like they did in northern Italy now. This is the conundrum that I think we're in is that. This virus has exposed a lot of societal problems that we have to deal with domestically. Yeah and yet It's also going to reveal a lot of problems around the world that would demand our leadership but maybe too inward looking up to see it. I mean what we need to do clearly is that when there is the real shortfall. And it's not it's not here yet. I mean we we have. We've stopped our economy Europeans of stop their economy. We have the money to ensure that we get through the next three months and without implosion but the developing world. Which doesn't have the health care that we do. They don't have the ability to social distance when you've got large percentage of the population without sanitation and in shared quarters and the rest and they can't afford to stop their economies. They're gonNA need the kind of ten percent of GDP relief that we've given ourselves in America and they're not gonNa have nothing close so the question is in the summer when the IMF is out of money and everyone's looking to the United States to avoid the next series of emerging market crises. I mean economies crumbling much worse than what we're seeing in Iran right now because a much larger group of countries that matter more economically a lot more people and countries were friendly and well disposed to. What do we do? Do we stand up at that point or do we let them fall. And and I I I'm not. I'm not sure that we want to know the answer to that truck but we are going to find it out. We're GONNA find out before the election. Well that's the the the other the other thing that's interesting. You think it's going to happen that fast. I mean obviously in the initial IMF thing. I agree with that but I guess the larger question I have is is. What is the world's going to look like after the pandemic because it feels like there's going to be a major shifts and let's go by continent here I want to start with? Europe is the EU exist in its current form in a decade. It probably does. I'm much less comfortable making that call than I was even six months ago. I mean the potential for an economic crisis in Italy which has been the worst hit so far by corona virus. They're all so the country that has been most susceptible among the larger economies to nationalist anti-establishment governance the most Popular Party in Italy. Right now is the lega the league and Salvini the former deputy. Pm WHO's not in power right now but probably will and if he takes over this country when the economy's freefall in the Europeans aren't doing very much for him a call to leave Europe would be serious and I don't know how you deal with it. I know that Hungary with with Orban's Victoria von leading took took the advantage of this crisis. Didn't let it go to waste as rahm Emanuel would say yup and instead he He basically dissolved parliament. He rid himself of rule of law and he allowed him to jail using some incredibly forceful new laws again. Anti free speech laws for up to five years anyone that he considers to be hostile on a political opponent and not only is Europe too busy to censure him but the Polish government you need unanimity the Polish government's going to support Hungary. So I mean what? Europe stands for the idea that they have common values rule of law and independent judiciary that care about civil society. You can't say that about Europe today. Never mind the lack of open borders. I mean all the borders in Europe right now at least to close all right so there's Europe a- border bordering on it's A. It's certainly their crippled right now. China's standing has been damaged. I guess the question I have for you is for. How long and is this new? I guess renewed rivalry between the United States and China is really what's going to define global affairs for the next decade. The important thing is that the Chinese economy is almost back to running. Its supply chain right now. You know we've been assessing things like traffic patterns satellite imagery talking to a lot of CEOS that have supply chain on the ground there there at about seventy percent right now and they'll probably be at full functioning by May in other words while the Americans and Europeans are still stopped. The Chinese are going to be able to become the factory for the world again and that combined with the extraordinary technologically empowered surveillance state that the Chinese have which if I allow them to shut down You know ensure one hundred percent compliance on social distancing in the workplace on public transportation in restaurants and if they see additional outbreaks they don't tell us about the cases but they know about them and they closed things back down so the ability of the Chinese government handle this pandemic after they lied about it after their initial cover up and and actually get their economy back to functioning again get their people back to functioning again as the society used to really as well beyond what we could imagine in any democracy and that combined with the fact you know you were just talking to me about how the Americans you can't really see us doing the humanitarian aid. We used to but the Chinese even though they're not doing nearly what the Americans would have historically they're the only country doing much of anything right now and since they're the ones with the medical supply chain that we all need and they're the ones with the excess medical personnel that we all need even a little bit. I mean if if it's carrot and stick internationally and trump is all about stick. I mean I I'll grant you that. The Chinese carrot isn't very big and is maybe a little rotten but it's the only carrot on offer and if you're an American ally in in Europe that is trying to get through this crisis and you desperately need masks and testing kits. You desperately need medical personnel. If you're an emerging market that's GONNA face true disillusion of your economy over the next three to six months. You're really going to appreciate the fact that the Chinese are offering you anything so I think China's GonNa come out of this actually looking a lot stronger in their relations with a Lotta countries around the world. And I'm not sure we're ready for that. Only is that only because of our reputation is only because they look good compared to us. We'll certainly that kind of matters. I mean in the sense that are real the wheel the reason we beat the Soviets yet we spent them into the ground militarily but the Soviet people didn't believe in their model anymore and they believed in the American model. They thought that we lead. By EXAMPLE THEY WANNA to system looked more like our system and I gotTa tell you chuck you know I. I don't believe there's any moral equivalence between the US and communist China. Not at all. But I'm an American. If I look at other countries around the world and their citizens and particularly their citizens that feel like their own leaders have lost legitimacy their own governments have failed them in you and I know there's a larger and larger group of those people now and will be in the next few years. They're starting to look at the Chinese model as more attractive. They're starting to say. Why are we following the United States of American? You're going to see it. In Southeast Asia certainly seat in sub Saharan Africa. You'll see it in east southern Europe the poorer countries that have less strong institutions. And you'll even start seeing it in South America. I think that really matters well in my little tour here. I want to go to our hemisphere because there's two leaders in particular that I'm curious about I feel like one of them isn't going to survive this crisis it's Anglo in Mexico and Bolles Bolsonaro in Brazil. They're both sort of. It's so funny. Both two sides of the same coin in some ways one from the right one from the left but both authoritarian in their own way. You know you're the first person that's brought this up to me and it's it's exactly on point because they are the two leaders that have been most opposed to just basic medical science in their policy response you would think that trump would occupy the pole position there. He really doesn't I mean he's just narcissists all about him but actually the true failings have been Mexico and Brazil and the popularity of both of these leaders while trump's has gone up a little bit they've been in the toilet and both of another Brazilian economy was doing pretty well beforehand and they've just been through this impeachment and horrible set of corruption cases. With all of these ministers and presidents caught up in it for years so they don't want to impeach Bolsonaro but he's in a lot of trouble and he is going to lose a lot of his support base. He's certainly losing a reformist coalition that he had built allowing him to try to move the country forward economically. And you know. He almost fired his Health Minister. The the doctor foul she of. Brazil who was by far the most popular political character in Brazil right now because he's calm and he's speaking with authority of course. Bolsonaro can't handle anybody more popular than him so he was going to let them go and he had to back away from it because the social media outcry was huge and his own presidential administrators. Told him. Don't do it but he's angry. He's itching for a fight and he wants to restart the economy and this is GonNa kill lots of Brazilians. So it's it's a big problem and in Mexico. It's a similar kind of thing. It's very arrogant leader. That only sees it his way or the highway the private sector in the US. Ceo's have come out in support of trump even if they don't all like them they're saying in the Rose Garden and we want to help in Mexico. The leaders of the corporate community saying this guy has no plan. He has no authority. It's really bad so in a crisis we've got red versus blue state. These countries are incredibly dysfunctional at the ground level without the hospitals that we have without the economy's we have and the governments are not taking a leadership role to respond to the worst crisis. They've seen in generations. It's really going to hurt. And it also means that what's GONNA we're not gonna be immune from that. Yeah and we're not going to be immune from our hemisphere right in Mexico. I mean some of that is going to come back to the United States. And we're going to keep those guys closed off in terms of travel for a long time. Not just a few months. You could be talking until we have an effective vaccine right well. Certainly if trump's president shirley no I do think no matter crew until we. He does see an opportunity. Here that's right that's absolutely right but I but I also think just around the world developing versus developed world if they're doing her immunity and they can't stop and they can't test this virus then we're just not going to let people travel final. Stop on my little tour here is. Our friend is our friends in Russia. Because I'm curious two things one since we are living in a pandemic world. We're going to have a corona virus election I'm not saying we aren't GonNa have outside people trying to agitate but is it. I feel like that's on the back burner. Maybe it shouldn't be maybe that the the concern over hacking of the Russians should be something that's more front burner but the second is Putin was in the middle of rewriting constitution and starting to lay that. Groundwork does this disrupt at all. It did disrupt it. He's had to push it back. I mean we know that if he has a referendum. He's going to win it because there's no democracy in Russia but they did have to push it back. He wasn't taking the virus very seriously his mayor of Russia of Jimmy. His mayor Moscow. Twelve million people Actually has taken more of a leadership role in shutting that he's been very aggressive and of course the other thing if you WanNa talk Russia's the fact that oil prices are in the twenties and that's because of a fight between the Russians and the Saudis The Russians need forty plus to balance their budget. This is really going to hurt and fiscal austerity had been where Putin was going. He can't do that right now. This economy is not very strong right. I mean it's it's smaller than the Canadian economy. It doesn't hold a candle to the US so on the one hand Russia's in a much weaker position and needs to find a way to come to a deal with the Saudis and the Americans so they can get oil prices back out of the floor right. I mean they can't they can't have the the storage units for oil overwhelmed and how functionally value in their top commodity. They've gotta find a way to come to a deal but they're also angry and Putin wants to blame someone he's GonNa blame the Americans and the ability of Russia to cause trouble in an election. I mean you've seen Wisconsin You you've seen what trump is saying about not wanting to allow a mail in ballots because it's bad for the Republicans. I mean this election in the United States. I think we'll be determined more by the courts than it will be by the voters. I honestly believe that and And certainly when the Russian see that they're going to see that there is an opportunity for them to cause a lot of mischief even without spending a lot of money yeah. I'm very concerned that a close election is going to be accepted yet and perhaps even blow is. It doesn't get fully accepted by a large chunk of America's this election was rigged in so many different ways. And you already see it coming. No you you do Final final question is as we know. This economy is GONNA real for a while. I think I part of me thinks he'll be more layoffs in twenty twenty one this year be as as major corporations who got it through now will suddenly see cost savings in how they did it but Which tells me I think we're this is a two three. Maybe four year recession in some form. But what what what? What are you warning people about? I mean I think the recession itself is more in terms of actual contraction of the economy is less than a year and that's because of the immense amount of money that will be put in to ensure it doesn't go farther But that of course probably means you've got a deficit of twenty percent of GDP this year and that's a problem right and then the corporates. I assure you almost every major multinational corporation is gonna find ways to work more efficiently with fewer people and this fourth industrial revolution is gonNA feel like a post industrial revolution for many many members of the working middle class in the US. And I don't know how I know how we get through the next six months we can throw money at it. We can make sure that people have relief but for the next two three years what we do. For ten percent of the American population that feels like additional ten percent. That feels like they have nothing functional to contribute I. I don't know the answer to that Chuck and I. I don't know that Biden or trump have the answer to that I- Adrienne had the answer. Universal basic income. Spain's doing Spain is doing it spans. Doing it's it's very expensive but you know and I'm not sure it's best way at the problem but I don't really. The problem is going to have to be addressed in ways that well beyond any fixes. That people are thinking about right now. I can already here as of selling at the tech dividend the pandemic dividend. And we can come up with some interesting in Bremmer President of the Eurasia Group. Self Self distancing in New York City. Stay healthy and safe my fred. Avoid People Chuck good to talk to you people. Yeah that's for sure. Void people ingredients books. You'll always learn something thanks again. You've been listening to the chuck. Todd Castro meet the press. Today's episode was produced by Justice Green and Matt Rivera. John Reece's our executive producer. Steve Look ties. The head of PODCAST FOR NBC News. Our music composed by spoke media. You can meet the press daily on MSNBC every day at five the big show. Every Sunday morning I'm doing a special hour of MSNBC at one o'clock ten am on the West Coast is well so thanks for listening. Thanks FOR WATCHING. Stay safe social distance. Remember if we get through the hard stuff now we football season in September. 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October 7, 2019

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October 7, 2019

"Send and I'm Jake Sherbourne we're taking the week off with the seasons book so you'll be hearing a lot about the Washington Post Phil Rucker and Carol lay eggs long awaited and much buzzed about book about Monday Morning Anna Palmer and welcome to your politico playbook audio breathing stay tuned after the show for a message from the coalition against socialized medicine and crippling taxes Pelosi's healthcare takeover is bad for patients innovation and America on Syria The Times reports that trump's decision to pull out troops goes against recommendations from top officials at the Pentagon and the State Department the asylum seekers and police the border he told his colleagues he wanted the Democrats to quote feel the pain the post is reporting that Attorney General Pelosi and other liberals in Congress say they want to lower drug costs but their plans are nothing more than a down payment on their socialized medicine scheme a government over of our entire healthcare system taking power and control away from patients and their doctors and giving it to bureaucrats price controls access restrictions for patients ars review of the Russia investigation has won him the president's favor but others believe he's chasing conspiracy theories here's the latest on impeachment. Peter Baker long hostage and now they were all stuck demanding a ransom that everybody knew would never be paid how are they going to get out of this also juicy the book reveals in February and Times contacted ten former White House chief of staff saying they could not recall a situation where the White House were accepted political help from other countries are Torian how Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao but vastly more with officials from Kentucky which her husband represents than any other state twenty five percent of House meetings in her first fourteen months as transportation secretary with Kentucky Inns the AP has the latest on US troops starting to pull out from Turkey's Border President Donald Trump has a title cover and release date the title is a very stable genius it will come out January twenty first and will be published by Penguin Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Mike Sunday the president will have lunch with Mike pompeo in participate in the briefing was senior military leaders at six PM in the Cabinet Room Trumpet First Lady Melania trump will host to social dinner with me using he's not much of an expert at all the antidote ends with this okay. Kushner's quietly so we've wasted the last two years Stephen Miller looked stunned trumpet taking the not leaders in their spouses in the blue room at seven fifteen subscribe to playbook politico dot com slash playbook this episode is sponsored by the coalition against socialized medicine ocean poses a Supreme Court look ahead on how the courts controversial docket will test chief justice John Roberts efforts to keep the court out of politics and partisan battles here's it's on tap for trump's here's new book border wars is out Tuesday includes his very juicy in telling anecdote about Jared Kushner the president's son-in-law and self styled immigration expert realize march of this year Miller or US CIS to quote surge all non-essential staff to the border to help with credible fear interviews to vet colleague Alex Status Reporting that Mike Pence's Hetty out on the trail with the national tour of Congressional district represented by Democrat supporting impeachment politicos up with the.

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August 5, 2019

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August 5, 2019

"Good monday morning. I'm jake sherman and welcome to your political playbook audio briefing sponsored by b._p. And i'm anna palmer the new york times scooped that a fourth texas texas republican representative kenny martin is expected to announce his plan to retire in twenty twenty rather than face relection in a state that is becoming more competitive in two thousand eighteen. He won his seat by only three points as of now eleven house. Republicans are retiring. We're seeking another office in twenty twenty. Only three three house democrats have said they won't run again. A democratic source told us yesterday gino ortiz jones representative will hurt democratic opponent raised one eight hundred thousand dollars in the twenty four hours after her retirement the latest in the shootings in texas and ohio the washington post front page banner headline is two cities thirteen hours twenty nine and deaths. The dayton daily news is reporting. The man who killed nine people in dayton. Oregon district was kicked out of high school for making a list of girls he wanted to kill. Police said they still haven't identified a motive motive for sunday shooting p._a._p. Is up the piece about the victims of the shooting including a mom who died protecting her baby from thirty thousand feet the washington post. Phil rucker has a look look at how trump's anti immigrant rhetoric is looming over the el paso shooting with the president regularly railing about the latino migration as an invasion of our country entry. He writes after yet another mass slaying the question surrounding the president is no longer whether he will respond as other presidents once did but whether his words contributed to the carnage the new york times notes the shooter wrote that his views predate trump as if anticipating the political debate that would follow the the shooting the times writes but if mr trump did not originally inspire the gunman he has brought into the mainstream polarizing ideas and people once consigned to the the fringes of american society eric radnor tweeted beta will work was on his way to his car and was asked if there's anything trump could do to make this better he said. What do you think you know the shit he's been saying he's been calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. I don't know members of the press what the fuck meanwhile mark poodle and david ciders report that the shootings shook up the presidential primary elevating lower tier candidates in marrying the issues of immigration racism and gun control on the campaign trail the post notes republicans are struggling to respond. Joe biden was in san diego last night. Per the poor report biden almost immediately spoke of the two recent mass shootings el paso and dayton ohio at first i referring to them as the tragic events in houston today and also in michigan the day before but later correcting himself meanwhile in kentucky mitch mcconnell fractured his shoulder on sunday and is now recovering at home according to a spokesman and here's what's on tap for monday. The president will deliver remarks the diplomatic reception room at ten a._m. You will have lunch at twelve thirty. Pm with vice president. Mike pence in the private dining room subscribe to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook.

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Carol Leonnig and Phil Rucker: Trump doesn't care if he lies, and his supporters don't, either

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Carol Leonnig and Phil Rucker: Trump doesn't care if he lies, and his supporters don't, either

"This episode is brought you by season two of business school a podcast by synchrony. This brand new season business school is hosted by Business Co founder and investor Surroi Dharavi who meets with eight entrepreneurs have pushed past their startup days to new levels of success. Now is the perfect time to dive in with all eight episodes available for download in time to provide new insights strategies for a brand new year download and subscribe to season two of business school. Wherever you get your podcast hi? I'm Megan Canadian. And I produced Nice try from curbed a podcast about utopia a place that is perfect and does not exist. Hosted stood by Avery trauman. The season starts in Jamestown with the first permanent English settlement in North America and ends in the fictional her land a world with no men in incite nice try has been recommended as a must-listen by the New York Times The New Yorker esquire vulture time and more apple podcast. I even named it one of the top podcast of twenty nine thousand nine but don't just take their word for it. Check it out for yourself. The entire season is available. Now find out more and binging NJ on apple podcast spotify or your favorite podcast APP. Cayenne Cara Swisher editor at large of Rico. You they know me as someone who knows everything about every type of building horses are kept in other words. I'm a very stable genius. Oh my God Eric is the worst but in my spare time I'm just a reporter and you're listening to areco decode a podcast about power change in the people you need to know around tech and well beyond were part of the Vox media podcast network. Today in the red chairs are two of my favorite reporters. Carol Lennick and Phil Rucker to reporters from the Washington Post. Carol is the National Investigative Reporter and fill. Is the White House Bureau chief there. Also the author of a new book called a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. You have heard of it. This is like the hottest book right now in politics. Carol and Phil Welcome to recode decode. Thanks for having us. We're going to talk about a lot of things including like talking about your book but things have moved swiftly. Since you wrote your book volume six remember what was that like Winston Churchill series like this is going to go on. We'll be the row over generations. Yeah exactly so. Let's talk a little bit about what you guys do. I want to go into You know I worked at the Washington. Post is a young thing I Love I love the paper. I have a lot of affection for it. Talk about how you got to to this book. Both your backgrounds is very briefly caroline. You start. I've been there since two thousand Phil maybe five years. After me arrived we love the paper. We feel like we stand in the shadow of giants in some way right Bob Woodward Carl Bernstein Amazing Amazing Authors and Writers but in terms of your question about this book we started covering the trump presidency. The minute it began fill even before me because he was covering the campaign. So you're on the campaign and and we. We felt like it was like bullets. Ricocheting pastor faces every day. The first shocking thing that you would write in the morning would be replaced by the shocking thing in the afternoon. And you'd forget the next day what you wrote Two days ago that will also stunned floored you right so we wanted to hit the pause button and say let's take a step back and figure bureau out what's going on behind the scenes and what should we make of this presidency. Is there any method to the madness that we're watching right now. This is an age old Washington especially Washington Russian. Post reporter thing is to write these pieces about what went on in the room at. We'll get to jumble then a second In the room where it happened. This is sort of an age old thing. So how did you think about this in that way or is that this is a very unique situation. A very unique situation. You know we saw this as as a different project than just filling in the holes in and bringing together the color we thought we are living history and we needed to go back and really understand what happened and also what the consequences are for the country and what we found in these he's interviews. We did more than two hundred of them. By the way with people who served trump at his side in the Oval Office is that it's so much worse than we realized in real time and there are people who refused fused to tell their truth in what they experienced in real time to us for the paper who went for the benefit of a history book decided to share their stories and We we feel like that's a that's a unique contribution. This book makes because this is such a historic period and so much has said about that real time because often these books are done after workers in what happened the war whatever. There's been so many of them. You know. Goes back to voice on the bus. There's all kinds of these in real time thing and obviously the book about the McCain campaign like there's there's so many how did you approach this as your your Daily News reporters while you're doing this right correct we were we. Didn't we took leave. We didn't get a lot of leave because you know who wants to let go of any other reporters during this unprecedented presidency We got a little bit Aleve and we took it. It was generous in at least in this setting and and the way we approached it really was okay we could tell you everything about the presidency and everything that happened but we really wanted to do a portrait of Donald Trump. The more and more we reported the more people that broke their silence to tell us what happened in the room. We started to see Donald Trump. Really feel what motivates him. What has northstar is and what these interviewees told us? These sources told us over and over again is they were distraught. Not just by the impulsivity of the president But also the way in which his interests his self image burnishing it was the Northstar. It was the decider in the room. It was the central reason season. He made his decisions about him. What about from your perspective? You know I the most important thing for donald trump from the moment. He swore an oath to the Constitution and took office office was the perpetuation of his own power and crises. The chaos that we see in the White House every day is all because he's scrambling to survive he scrambling to win the news cycle. He scrambling into Escaped from the Muller investigation without any consequences which he did he scrambling to escape from a six month impeachment proceeding Acquitted which which which happened this week. And you know I. It's all about maintaining his grip and and promoting his self image and he he pushes all the buttons in in the federal bureaucracy to that end. And if you're a cabinet secretary or a senior official in the bureaucracy. And you're not working to perpetuate his power and burnish his image than you're out all right talk about this because there's been a lot of trump books there's been at least a half a dozen clean from insiders people who were there one of his assistants did it All kinds of people have written these books and they have shades of this and obviously Michael Wolff wrote the first one which had shades of this? How did you WANNA approach it? So we're different because I think we're some reason yearbook is really resonated. Either because you're such good reporters or whatever but a lot of people have the sense of this is what's going on. How did you want to approach this again? We really wanted to tell history. In real time we were experiencing something we'd never had before and we all remember that Donald Trump's Mo again about burnishing his self image when we started to actually go back and reach out to these people who wouldn't talk to us in real time for certain stories when we spoke to them. We realized here's the material we've got it so much more dramatic and rich even scenes. We've reported like how he handled handled the fake statement about the trump tower meeting. You know how he manipulated the press to think that this meeting the trump tower with a Russian Lawyer was really just about the campaign. We thought we knew all about that. But actually there was a ton more life people the lawyers who were involved in that We're losing their minds signs and screaming at each other like here. We are stuck. It was that kind of you. Don't know what you have until you do the reporting and we had when we did the reporting was a deeper understanding standing and much more detail about every moment we thought we knew well the heart. This is pernicious lying pernicious. Now I have a small experience with with a bunch of silicon Imbali companies. Who just lie to you right out front? And I assume lies from the beginning and lot in certain people cover This is sort of. It's unprecedented because I do think politicians have lied forever. They have kind of shaded. But this is a whole new level of So-so Phil talk a little bit about. How did you get people you're doing when you're writing writing it and you're writing it very quickly for the newspaper and it's not the full story it's never the full story? Because I know you make trades and you make little moments every reporter. Does that you know carols laughing but it's true like they argue the point with correctly how it works so but when you're when you're doing it how did you convince them to talk to to this book. What was the that you owe it to history or this liar is going to keep going? Or what's the. What was this? The cell it was really. You owe a history We are serious. Reporters were young serious book. This is going to be the comprehensive story. We're not looking to do an account based on five or six key. Sources who are narrators raiders. We want everyone's perspective. And if you don't come talk to us and tell us what you saw tell us your truth you're GonNa be left out and we're not gonNa have your side of the story and that compelling argument for people the pull for history was the most important for some of the senior most people some of whom felt like they didn't want to tell these stories. They didn't write their own books. They feel obliged and duty bound not to speak out about president while he's still in office They feared retribution from the president. But they we did so once they realized this was this complete history and caroline. I found in fact checking process at the end of our of our book. We would go to sources who did not agree to cooperate. Great with the book to just verify. Did you say this in this room. And all of a sudden they become a new source and start right spilling a lot of other information that we didn't even know about so. It was a gradual agile process with a lot of fruit at the end. And here I want to add something about that because he said that beautifully but I would add your question about lying many of these sources. MRS which I found so striking said yeah. Of course the president lies he lies every day but one thing they also revealed. Was this idea that his lies are about winning that moment and sometimes he doesn't know he's lying he's just saying to them. Hey when they confront him and say hey Mr President. That's not how it happened. He says well yeah. Yeah yeah but I I mean the big picture. Let's focus on the big picture picture Guy Right but other times. He wanted to win the moment he and he didn't care about three weeks later. Down the line when it came out. For example again. The trump tower thing he was warned slain that story for business so yeah so. He's at the g seven in Germany the on the sidelines when a New York Times reporter is learning that there was this meeting Don Jr. with a Russian lawyer during the campaign at trump tower. It's the first time that there would have been a meeting between Russians and trump's own family and including his son-in-law Jared Kushner as they're about to publish and they're seeking White House comment the president decides he is going to tell the New York Times what his son is going to say. He's going to issue the statement essentially on his son's behalf and he manipulates this story. So that it's misleading. It's not about the campaign. It was about adoptions and he he basically makes his son issue the statement statement. He's warned by his attorneys. There are emails that are gonNA come out and Congress in the next several weeks to months that show. That's BS right. Don't put it that that way but as one person said to us that's an eternity. Donald trump he wants to win today. He doesn't care about the fall or the late summer. He wants to win this moment right so we just did it he just well. It's like hello. He lied essentially like E. Everything is is an opportunity not to tell the truth or maybe tell the truth or whatever works in the second one he doesn't care and and you know what his supporters don't care either The Washington Post fact checker. has this running tally from the president's statements over sixteen thousand now it is an extraordinary Mary number and the pace is increasing. Which means he's lying even more now than he did? In the first year the presidency and yet the tens of millions of people who are part of Magi nation and go to his rallies and are going to vote for him in November could care less if he's telling you why it is because all parts all politicians lie. So what's the difference at least stike after. But he's Mike after essentially yeah and he's my champion and he's taken it to the to the man so to speak and in Washington swamp and they view him as advancing their cause whether he likes. Yeah I mean he's an sob but he's my sob fighting for them. And and lots of times when we you know at the post talk to his supporters and say but you know you actually tried to fight against Obamacare that protected you if you had pre existing listing conditions you know some people would argue his State of the Union address where he talks about that a lot. The other night was full of exaggerations and lies When you ask voters like well what do you think they're like? Yeah but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter He's he's such a great guy he's really. He's finally saying what I believe and we need someone to do that. All right so getting back to the reporting of the book so you here you are getting all these people to talk to you. Were you surprised during the process feels what feels like. It's written like that. Like what like thank. No actually yeah I mean there are so many moments that were surprising to fill in to me example. I mean the the president didn't know so literally turned to his chief of staff on his first trip to Asia stops off in a why is about to go visit the memorial essentially to make had a big story. Yeah at Pearl Harbor. And he turns his chief of staff and says John What what's his Pearl Harbor. What's this all about? He knows there was a battle at Pearl Harbor. But he doesn't know it's this this incredibly historic moment that propels us into World War Two and That lack is in curious that yeah some people as as narrowly educated. Some of his aides told us he's dangerously misinformed but he also just doesn't take briefings so But here he is in that setting other things that shocked us. I mean just how upset his senior aides were and how worried they are and how lucky they feel. We haven't had a real crisis racists. They I've heard that a lot from people inside the White House. I don't cover the windows but I'm surprised by how much people who've been there say to me and I don't even like I covered. I'm like hi I cover tech heck but keep vomiting up your information It is out of worry if I'm not here something bad's going to happen It's a really interesting thing and yet nothing bad. Has Things bad about these like today alone. Three to their drilling and all the stay in the national parks that nine eleven or a major world altering event that he has to respond to and deal with and it's one of the reasons why John Kelly stayed in that job the most miserable job in any presidency but especially this one to be. Yeah she for staff at the White House and he stayed for so long because he saw himself as protecting the country from a president whose decisions are made. Rashly and impulsively we. So that's kind of an issue with people that were inside because the people who talked to you on some levels I've had discussions with many of these people and I'm like well. Then say something like if you see something say something and now they talk to you guys but again. It doesn't have the same if it's on the record like John. Kelly is a good example. mcmasters another good example. People who have issues who are quietly leaking the John Bolton and we'll get to him in the next section quietly leaking these things out. But it's in that sneaky Washington way that doesn't have any effect anymore. We're not identifying sources. Mrs Yes want to stress that but the people who did speak to US I mean. They revealed a lot about their motivations. I think very honest with us about. Why was this issue of history tree that Phil described? Look you're GONNA get it. You're going to get it right so I want to be part of you getting it right number. Two the reason they WANNA be anonymous. They see the president's power to come after anyone who speaks truth to him they see his ability to humiliate and tarnished reputation to ruin. Someone's John's resume forever. People who went to work for this president who cannot get a job because they went to work for them so imagine if they went to work for him and he's coming after them who who is going to hire you there. There's a lot of anxiety about that. I I also found it interesting. There are people that are much lower down the chain who who agreed to speak to two US Anonymously and would normally run like crazy from reporters. It's not. They're not their thing. But in national security and intelligence world's they're agreeing to talk talk to us because it's so upsetting right because they don't because they have these jobs that are that they do you know that they have a lot of regard for that they think is important to keep having kept the peace over the years years and this is a system that tends to work despite patriots. Yeah so when you are doing this when you're writing this book. What was your dealings with the trump administration on this going back to them? Well we got a loaded thing. There was the Dono Pearl Harbor. There were there. Were like six or seven things that are just appall and you're talking specifically about the representative has ended the president. Well you know. We wanted to interview the president himself at all of this. He initially agreed to do an interview. Actually I spoke to him on the phone and he said come on and you guys are serious reporters. It's going to be a serious book. I want a book like this done. I'd be happy to talk to you. And he Pulled back that agreement because the hostility estimate between him and the Washington Post and the press corps writ large had gotten so extreme like so in the final months of our reporting. We probably weren't going to interview the president but we wanted to get his perspective on things we wanted to fact check everything in the book involving him. We tried to do that with the White House. We gave them more than a month to get back to us with substantive wanted answers to the episodes that we recounted and his spokespeople in the White House were unable to provide any substantive answers why We're not sure but the truth is they. They did not engage the way a normal functioning oppress operation. Wouldn't they thought they would meeting. Oh we wanted thank you. We wanted to give them a good faith chance to do this but we did verify everything in the book with everybody else. And if somebody's in the book they had a chance camps to To corroborate or to correct or to ten on tests or deny the quotes that are in there and the scenes that are in there all right so when you were doing this and ca explain why you call it a very stateful genius you know. A lot of people take issue with suspicious the president. Hey we have heard the president restarted. Well exactly word. Go fish whatever you'd have to say it and I felt strongly like let's use his own words. We came to this title saying it was good but also could be great migrate Unmatched Wisdom Genus. We we felt it was important for doing a portrait of the man. Lots of people write about this guy. How many thousands of people write about Donald Trump? Whether it's in a book or a newspaper reporting every day people are writing about Donald Trump. But if we're GONNA do a portrait of him let's use his description of himself. We wanted to stress test this definition with the people who know him best standard. His shoulder advise him on the decisions visions of war peace domestic prosperity You know the the border and they didn't in large measure believe he was stable and they did not in large measure. Believe he was a genius. However you know in stress testing it in holding that mirror up to Donald Trump we did find some people and some characteristics that show? He's a genius in some ways. He hot mess. He's a hot mess. taught us he's also a master marketer. Look at look at his success. This is a man is just as we've described who triumphed over a criminal investigation that found substantial evidence. He obstructed a criminal probe. Most people go to jail for that. He triumphed over or a impeachment process. Rapidly uncovering facts that showed he tried to engage a foreign power in investigating an American citizen. he triumphed in is has been acquitted and he and his supporters Lovin well except you look at his history. That's what he's GonNa History. This has been this has been a history of a person gets out of scrapes either. Because he was a rich kid or he's just brazen casinos. They're all wet but bottom up he left With all of his pockets full and all of his partners were in debt. He wants to handle that. Some paid. How many bankruptcies yeah but it works not to pay people it works? I see that's the issue is like everyone's like I can't believe it one the things. I'm fascinated by if you know this about me. But I've watched every episode of the apprentice. So I get this whole thing. He's not stupid everyone's like stupid. I'm like no he's not like no. No it's something episode so every episode I. I know how this is going to come for him. The ratings were down. That's what happened. In the apprentice. The stories get ever shittier and the narrative suck and then you get tired of them. That's what happens just saying maybe the next epilogue epilepsy may be just fine. You know and he'll be he'll be laughing all the way the bank but when we get back around and talk about what. It's like to work in the Washington Post where we're GONNA go from here with your book because like nine hundred things have happened since your but your book is now in case you're interested and how you deal with this onslaught onslaught of constant Twitching we'll talk about twitter and a bunch of other things when we get back. We're here with Carol and Phil Rucker From The Washington Post. Their new book is called a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing America. We're going to take a quick break. Now we'll be back after this. This episode is brought to you by season. 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PODCAST we're here with Carol Lennick and Phil Rucker from the Washington. Post book is called a very stable genius which cracks me up so talk a little bit about working at the Washington Post right now this this enemy of the people which is a little bit of a game and not a game. That's going on what's that like. I worked there every not everybody. Nixon did not like the Washington was I was not there during that period. But this is something different. Yeah and your own by Jeff Bezos. Who is constantly attacked by the president? I assume you don't know him. I do talk about what it's like covering the White House with this. So you have all this sort of thing you've got the post being very aggressive a lot more Stability in terms of the business of the post being owned by the world's richest man. Talk a little bit about this. Like what's it like covering the White House. Do you cover the previous White House. You didn't get the Obama White House well For The Washington Post. It's very different covering the trump White House or the Washington Post during the trump campaign Washington Post reporters were were kicked off the campaign. We were not able to have credentials to cover his rallies so hostility existed before he even became president but it's a really challenging time and the most important thing we have is a is a really strong leader her in Marty Baron who sets the tone for all of us and he says that we should think of covering the trump administration not as being at war but being at work. We're doing our jobs. We're trying to get answers to our questions questions. Were trying to shine a light where darkness you may have heard of her slogans. Democracy is in the darkness. But it's not a joke. I mean it's really Serious work and it can get really ugly The president has called Carol All you loser way. Both are carols also low-life lightweight nasty like and it's ugly. We get threats. We have had to increase security for reporters at the post We've had to be careful about where we go in public and what we do. But we've become so much more committed to the work and I think everyone we work with at the White House team. Ashley Parker Josh Doc- lots of tremendous reporters This just motivates us to to dig deeper and really hold the people in power accountable and what about for you before we start your dirt digger you just certain investigative reporter. I mean right. Now it's like out on. It's not even you don't even have to investigate. It's literally on the ground like look it's done. They're dead body. Oh Wow look at that. Investigative team and it is a fast moving investigative team. You usually spend several weeks or months really digging into a subject and trying to reveal reveal. What's behind the curtain and in the trump presidency? It's much more challenging job because you're revealing. What's behind the curtain? Every forty five five minutes. It feels like it's a It's they're not hiding. There's that there's a so they're hiding. There's something else that the president does which it makes our job slightly. I mean it's challenging but it makes it easier. He encourages factionalization inside his White House. And so the factions that are fighting with each other. Whether it's the Jovanka that's good certified or the man inside. Or The you know the Don mcgann White House counsel now pets at Bologna weather. Whatever those variable factions are no? It's the Sopranos here. Yeah totally like and again. Not Alycia naming sources. I'm just saying those factions are all and their aides and their deputies. They're all styling. Let me tell you how it really is and Sometimes they review. Of course. We're GONNA check the facts and vet them and make sure we're not being spun then sometime their facts are pretty darn good and it hurts the their rival. And you know what's funny is in the book we see. How president trump is almost clapping on the sidelines when everyone is in a Shakespearean way biting fighting for his affection and admiration? That amazing cabinet meeting where you know. People are fawning over and falling over themselves to try to tell him he is the most stable genius they've ever met And when you're coming how is that different. Besides being the un-safety you have relationships with these people though even though they're being very angry I am certain. They're calling you all the time and they're intrigued. Because I had this at Uber in any you any number of companies I covered. They were like carries the worst. And then get on the phone like kind of thing like how do you think I got my ovation. And it's not just the staff who are that way. The president is it an selfish that way he'll attack personally hill attack the Washington and then I'm on Air Force One in the pool one day and he comes back to tease me about my chocolate cake and trying to take the kick off my plate which he did but he loves interacting registered. Doesn't he loves Maggie Haberman. Oh she's a really tough report. I never never talked. But he's obsessed with her talk to her all the time but he says he never does any seats her approval and the other reporters as well So there's a bit of a hypocrisy. There cancelled his Washington Post subscription. Except he held up the Washington Post. Today right that's really fun. That was fun. I didn't realize it was You you were playing to him by putting it like that. So what is it like then now to report because you're sort of one of the things I literally poured the trump administration but one of the things it does pull the curtain back on this ridiculous system because so many other white houses have been so organized and righteous. But there's a a lot of stuff that was going on it. was you know what I mean. Just bad and they now they can be like righteous about it and everything else but some of the things that he points out. I can't believe I'm coming coming is like this is why it's appealing to people because everybody knows like we get into a war that maybe we shouldn't have gone into this. These Defense Department people then move into the defense industry industry. There's all Washington is operated in a certain way And then when you get someone who's just corrupt by nature coming in and just being corrupted sort of it's not refreshing. It's just it's just like okay. It's like this whole system sucks. I think when you're talking I was thinking about the examples of you. Know we all think a president should not steer a contract to a particular vendor and yet in this administration. There's some evidence that tried to steer this wall all contractors company and he was out in open tweeting about how great they were. It wasn't like some sort of cover of darkness Another example is that that sort of bizarre czar event where a Montana tiny white fish company ends up being in charge of the electrical rebuild re grid of Puerto Rico after the hurricane it it happens to be in the area of a cabinet member in the in his zone and a friend of his. It just sort of amazing the way in which this kind of Corrupting opting of what should be a fair system. That is the best buy and the best deal for taxpayers. Doesn't really work that way. It happens all the time. And then when you're actually covering it ah you written. This book is a book. That can't add more stuff to it. You know you can add more to a digital copy presumably but what is writing a book like this mean anymore because since yes I want to talk about some things that are happening now but since you wrote the book there's been like nine more chapters written like how nineteen nineteen. We'll talk about that like what. WHOA how do you? How are you approaching this book? Well there's not a second book in the works at the moment. I think we would both collapse if we tried to. That right now But you know we we see this this book a very stable genius. That's the story of this time period and right at the moment when the impeachment inquiry begins and it doesn't include the things that have happened in the last couple of months by nature of the publishing schedule but it is such a template for what we've been witnessing just the last few weeks the Senate trial all of the the actions and behavior and conduct that we've seen from the president It fits a pattern does talk about the past because you have them in this book and one of the one of the patterns. I notice all the time with people. today was around around the the not letting New York people get through unclear. Or whatever the hell I have one of those things And and everyone's like I can't believe this and I finally was like. Why can't you believe it? It happens all the time every day. Hey does something appalling and you can't believe because last week this let's talk about the patterns that are here that are now what's happening now and then we'll talk about where it's going but right now if you were writing the doc what areas would you focus on. Well I think one of the most important ones is. We've we've hit on a little bit and then move on. But it's that perpetuation of his power the burnishing of commission. That's number one. Every day way example right the other two is the vindictiveness. Like I will punish I will go after those. Who Question in or threaten or council you know initially care at the beginning? We all saw this but we didn't realize the depth to which it was true in. We learned it in our reporting there. Were all these senior advisors who came in with hopes high hopes and they were going to guide this apprentice this novice and help achieve a conservative agenda surely but but also advise in those guardrails are gone so each time he wins each time he jumps a hurdle he gets bolder and bolder and bolder. Still Another important sort of theme in this is the attack dog feature of the president which is if an and I I guess five referenced system ready but this attack dog of like I will be a fighter for you and everyone. You don't like I will go after them right Another way in which forgive me but this goes to a question you ask Phil a minute ago about the the way. Our book foreshadows the future yesterday when Mitt Romney started talking about being judged by history wanting his children and his grandchildren till it be able to see that he'd made this decision. He is literally league. Almost the person we're talking about in our epilogue a person who Mr Hogan who in Nixon's Watergate investigation realizes what the President President has done and decides. This is the one way in which I will be judged by history how I decide about President Nixon's behavior and I am going to be the Republican lookin. WHO Says No? And that's what Romney did talk about that. Because he went he went after him and he said that in fact Mitt Romney said in his speech he goes. If you think I want these consequences says you gotta be crazy. I know exactly what ugliness is coming at me But I have I. I'm speaking to a higher power both history and religion like and his God and so I think that was fascinating fascinating but he did talk about it rather explicitly about that. It's coming he did and we should keep in mind. That trump has gone after Romney and really ugly ways before I says he walks like a penguin Total loser for losing the two thousand twelve election this could be a new level of vitriol. Donald trump junior a tweeted that romney should be expelled from the rights. The party which is a ridiculous statement. It's not it's not up to any presidential you can't say it but that man's a move we can't say it's not chocolate deciding the Republican party but trump at the national prayer breakfast Made an attack on Romney that was just really jarring he. He was sitting right there. He you did. And he questioned Romney's faith and then later in the day in East Room of the White House he said Romney uses his religion as a crutch a political catch. Romney is one of the tasteful men in politics takeover talks about it the former leader might heard about is afraid to talk about it because he had political consequences at the time he was right. Yeah you know Mormon with Republican Evangelical Evangelos But he's Amana faith that guided this decision and I think Romney would probably argue. Trump is not Amana faith. Away from me is yeah kind kind of make the hair go up on the back of your neck to think that somebody could Republican Democrat Independent. They know who Romney is. You can't say that faith isn't the genuine in that in that claim. So what's happening behind the scenes with others one. I think the the parts that is interesting because you did get a lot of people to talk to two hundred people talking to you. These are the enablers who do not talk publicly one or just let it go and move along and I think it's one of Donald. Trump's strings is understanding that people break apart really quickly if you break them apart like if they grouped together it would be a different situation But you know look what happened with the with me to. Finally when everyone talked together they were able to talk together. But nobody does that here. It's like they grouped together in sort of fear and loathing. And you guys have written about any josh dossier wrote a piece about this. Why is that happening? What is it just I just I want to be? You know Senator Lindsey Graham or what is it. I think there's a really simple answer for that. which is trump's approval rating among Republican voters? All all the other Republican elected officials live in fear of the eighty to ninety percent of Republican voters. Who strongly approve of the president's performance in office and they're afraid that trump is going to turn his venom on them and turn supporters on them and then they're going to become a former former senator Bob corker former Senator Jeff Flake? Those guys don't are not in office anymore and probably could not win elections in their home states because they got crosswise with this president. And that's why so many of these senators voted to acquit president trump. Even they know that the evidence was not even in dispute even though some of them said publicly what the president did was wrong still acquitted him. It was an interesting little tango so he didn't do anything he did was wrong but I'm going to vote to acquit him. It was it was. So you've gotta be kidding right exactly but what do you think the enabling income from what is this is an president. There was enabling under Ronald Reagan. You've seen it everywhere you look. But they broke from Nixon eventually they broke people. Have the level of enabling. I've never seen it almost caught like it can't be that much fear he's really of course he can switch the light honor off on whether or not. You're going to get your next term. I think think Phil's exactly right and also I mean again. The the venom he can unleash On twitter against any member who comes at him. Think of all the a cute little nicknames. He's gotten for people shifted shift and he comments on people's way and then it's pretty vicious Whenever you are somebody who's on the other aside I I will say there have been a couple of profiles of encourage if people view it this way? of people who stood up to the president. I'm sometimes in private and sometimes in public in private You know he's not a perfect hero. There are no perfect heroes in this book but REX Tillerson stood up and said you're wrong Mr President when right hand hat that was explained that seeing what happens so in July twenty seventeen which is very early and seems like ancient history now but we learned a lot knew about it President trump is brought to the tank. A sort of sacred space in the Pentagon where decisions of war are made and the Joint Chiefs The REX Tillerson Secretary of state. General Mattis Secretary Tori Defense and Gary Cohn National Economic Advisor. Want to have kind of like a tutelage if you will Without making him feel patronised they want to explain. Explain to the president like why we have bases where we have them. Yeah why troops are for primer on. US Yeah like they're always fighting with them about these things and they're thinking of themselves. We just need a shared basic understanding shared language so he understands why we all can sleep safe and near and dear at night. These things keep America safe and Unfortunately silently the schoolhouse rock goes terribly awry. Because as the president is hearing these descriptions Dale on uh-huh I loved it to The president just bellowing at them and Co as as others have reported He's telling them that their You you know this is a loser. War they're losers but what we didn't know is he started to call them. DOPES and babies a woman started to cry in the room. People Start Shuffling their our papers there so they want to will themselves out of this room. Jim Mattis has his head bowed. He's he's speechless. No one's talking vice. President pence is is described. As a wax figure of those. You know know that but he was creating silicon valley part westworld character that didn't work out and Glad that for everybody somebody said you know. I learned everything I needed to learn about the vice president. Then he has a son in the military and and he was willing willing to listen to this and finally after calling them dopson babies. The President says the worst curse word he can say. I wouldn't go to war with you. People and REX Tillerson Can't take it anymore. According according to people in the room he's looking at waiting for Mattis to bark back. maddest won't do it Tillerson stands up and says that's wrong Mr President. You're wrong people don't put on a uniform. Make a buck. We're not trying to make money by charging the Koreans for our base there. This is about safety for America's jarring seen so jarring and so emotionally scarring for people in you know said why didn't anyone say anything. May I ask the the impression that that many she had was that as flag officers nobody could speak back to their commander. In chief and Tillerson didn't have that kind of responsibility. He wasn't in that chain of what about the others. Why why is there not talk back the clapback the fear You know it. It's still the fair. It's still the fear you know. Certainly the the uniform members versus Carol was saying I felt like duty-bound to follow the chain of command. There were all sorts of civilians in their room. Looking for example Mattis who in that role was a civilian in defense secretary even though he's a former marine general Who wouldn't confront the president you know? They feel like he's been elected by the American people He's rightfully Holding this office even though we all know he lost Hillary Clinton popular vote by three million votes but He Won Electoral College. He's he's in that Office for a reason and may feel like they need to honor him as long as it's within the bounds of the law. And why is that because it's the office that's the excuse as the office. They use the excuse that it's the office and you know they okay. The I think purposefully sometimes we'll be blind to other factors other factors meaning all the all the ways that trump himself Violates these norms ends or Desecrates the office in any number of of ways on any given day. There's another seen like this in the book too though I'm thinking about it as fills talking is it. Because he he's making me remember it. Kirsten Nielsen is getting rimmed out. But resident in a cabinet. Meeting screamed at by him dress down again. Dan Pence does nothing jared Kushner. She's getting yelled at because he wants to. He's talking about shutting down the border literally closing it. He's like Mr President. You know under our laws. That's it's not legal. People are allowed to cross. The border asked for asylum and then we will decide whether or not they properly can stay and he's like what do you think jeff and he's mad added Jeff sessions says Yep. I think you're right Mr President. I think we should shut down the bags right and I'm thinking Was We're learning the details of this conversation. This is the the the highest officer of law enforcement in our country. The Attorney General. And he's saying sure we can do this illegal thing. Jared Kushner in this scene takes his fingers across. This is neck to Kirstin as if to say quit it stop talking. This is not a winner. She's trying to explain the lot of the president. Nobody's giving her cover. Yeah Yeah but she's been. I mean she by doing that. She became a much reviled. Figure this stuff she does she gets all just hold the bag of crap that he had her totally. We all know what an abusive manager. Donald Trump can be learned in this reporting for the book that he's he's even more abusive than we imagined. And it comes out with Kirstin Nielsen. he he would call her late at night after watching Lou Dobbs episode on Fox business to tell her lose got this great idea for immigration. I want it done. Of course lose. Ideas are not not always legal and usually don't work anyhow so she would sort of entertain that request from the president. He would call again at five in the morning to wake her up on purpose and ask why it had gotten done and she'd have to tell him. You know Sir that the staff at the department our sleeping. The we can't get that done by the way it's not legal. He would attack her for her looks he would. I'd say she's too short at five to four two shorts to be ineffective Homeland Security Secretary. Just didn't have the look that he wanted for somebody securing the border order Well we're GONNA talk about when we get back why this works because it's it's really fascinating that it does an and also how he uses twitter and we'll get a little bit into tech because I think this is part of what's happening and this is It's a really interesting phenomena. You know. He really is the troll in chief which is kind of interesting thing when we get back when we talking with Carol Leonard and Phil Rucker From The Washington Post. Their new new book called a very stateful genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. If you enjoy hearing the most important leaders of tech and business in the hot seat beat you should check out. Our podcast switched on pop where we take the most iconic pop axe to task. I'm musicologists nate. Sloan and I'm songwriter. Charlie harding waiting on switched on pop. 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It's been going on a long time talking about the use of twitter because you're talking about attacking me personally the personal stuff. I know no it hearts people but like that's what he does like. Who Care do you? Did you care when you were calling losers were you like. Oh No. Are you calling me a loser when you call the stone cold losers. I thought all we've really arrive. Yeah and maybe we moved up from nasty lightweight and low-life. Yes the truth is though we don't want to be attacked by the president. We don't want to be a part of this story. I mean we don't get our feelings hurt. We've got thick skin. We're grownups for doing our jobs We pick up the next day and keep going. But we'd rather not be in the middle of the fray with you but you're gonna like what intimates inevitable. It's really interesting because preferable of course but he's going to do it like and what's the difference one's GonNa remember the last one he did like at this point. It's kind of losing. Its likes team in terms of like what I find interesting. Is someone like Jeff Bezos and he did get hurt on this Defense Department and we'll see how that turns out because Jeff is suing and Jeff is not a shrinking violet in dealing with people And I can tell you. Trump scotus handful with a guy like that having watched his career. But when you think about the pushing back of it when you have these names happening all the time when he uses twitter in this way. How do you think it's change political discourse because everybody's on twitter? Now you have Margaret Room is. WHO's a shitty twitter person by the way he's terrible at it and you? Yeah sorry. Just he's so bad it's so painful Milligrams real bad but some of them are good. Some of the some of the Republicans are quite good at it and trump is great at it even though he's awful he's great at it talk about this phenomenon politics now because now all the news seeing governing was done through their around There there was a couple of times. He issued executive orders twitter. Yeah or or or for example when he announces that John. Kelly is his new chief of staff while John. Kelly is in the air and hasn't been notified right or rather. Hasn't told the president affirmatively. Okay I'll take the job right another thing. We learned in the book right. He uses twitter as a weapon. Then as a marketing tool and as a as a hiring almost like command performance hiring. I remember this one scene. We reported out that had to do with Chris Christie I e you know He. He was worn by his wife. You'd better get in there and talk to him. He might announce on twitter that he hired you without being which is indeed what happened ultimately to John Kelly. I think one thing. That's what we keep hearing from people whether they're Republican or Democrat we've interviewed experts in presidencies historians stories This is lowering the bar of what a president Should and could do when you have this kind of nasty language. What are we teaching Children what are we teaching Other politicians or budding politicians about the way in which we have a civil discourse most presidents haven't gone into this sort of Ad Haman Way of speaking to their rivals in this way another thing truly think it has that he's going to have to. I think not. Everyone can do this. I think there's very few politicians that actually can do this well. I don't think it will because I think we'll see we'll try. Yeah and I think one of the reasons why trump can do it so well as he has no. Oh Shame He's the only person in politics who has no shame and is not afraid of what people are GonNa think of what he says or does he'll just do it again the next day and so he's able to tweet his thoughts in that moment without the calculations that other political figures do I covered the Mitt Romney campaign twenty twelve and for Mitt Romney to issue a tweet the campaign and had to be reviewed by like yeah does communication. Staffers was like that until recently. Now she's good. She's all better now. That's good yeah. She's got a nice ace Ventura for every now and the comma. Harris is good. There's a couple of people who are quite good and you can tell them as it hasn't worked out. Well I mean for example you said Romney has it reviewed by multiple trump. Doesn't obviously and people WANNA take people who work for him. Want to take that away from one morning in January twenty eighteen. He's he's sitting in the residence in the executive time and Explain executive time. It's pretty much all stays watching TV. Yeah a lot of hours in the morning hate watching TV and watching six other other shows and calling friends and saying Oh my God Lou. That's really interesting or Sean. Hannity interesting lovable. Well one day. He's literally governing by tweet because Judge Napolitano a fixture on Fox and friends is Talking about the reauthorization of a foreign surveillance act a piece of that act. That is important to catch terrorists plotting abroad. It was a piece of a law that needs reauthorization. Shen from Congress and the White House was behalf behind that reauthorization the president and his whole team but when the president saw judge Napolitano talking about it. And saying I don't I know why the president would support a law that may have been used to wiretap him and survey survey all his campaign. The president is on fire and he tweets his concerned learned about this law. Maybe we shouldn't do this. The two things have nothing to do with each other and right and that starts a several hours of chaos again at the White House where John Kelly chief-of-staff has to bring in the Intel chiefs and has to have weighed When forgive me Tom? bossert issue corrective tweet because they actually want at this law and it has nothing to do with the warrants that are used to survey people in America. So what's it like covering government fell when you have this happening when things he's come out that you you know you I'm assuming like any other reporter you have your sources. You talked to them. Things go as planned and then this happens and they don't have control of that either. They don't know what's going to happened. The amazing thing is is we as reporters are finding out about it at the same time as as the White House staff. It's just an incredible sense of chaos and dysfunction and when these moments happen I mean we of course have twitter alerts for trump and lately. He's been manic with the tweets about impeachment and Pelosi and all that But you know we just we react to cover it and try to figure out like what the hell is that what is going on here. What motivated it? Why did he do it? Usually easy to figure out. 'cause you just play back the tape Fox Fox and friends and see what somebody said earlier that morning but a lot of times it's more complex and the tweets are never fully transparent. See what he's saying Tang and it's clearly in his voice oftentimes with a lot of typos grammatical errors by the way But but there's more to the story and there's more Reporting that we have to do to finance announced his alter ego and that right is the alter ego on the tweets. But I think the ones in the morning are oftentimes just from trump himself on the phone. And that's actually where a lot Outta the spelling errors come through. You know the guy who calls himself a very stable genius has a lot of issues between there and there and there and were and with Council Council pitch spellings so when you have that what happens now to the president. Where do you see it going? I if you were going to be writing this now where are we gonna go. Oh from here. It's like it's or is it just this endless reality show that never ends. It's hard to imagine it but I I I do. Think that our foreshadowing Based on the trajectory not that we learned in the book and and traced is just going to be more emboldened You know the state of the Union. He read this speech that was carefully. Crafted rafted reality TV. Show lots of little surprising a little goody for everybody to show that he's an inclusive president but when he got off script today the state of the Union he really wanted to give was. I'm coming for you every single one of you. That all you Democrats who tried to hem in to impeach me the one on Republicans who voted to convict I'm GonNa get you right so I think that's what he wanted in bold and and so I just think more more bold dramatic matic challenges to what we've you as the norms the pillars of our democracy. He's going to question and sometimes it's okay to question some of these yeah sexual chemistry. I understand why he questions. But it's more worrisome when he starts questioning vindictiveness yes versus. Why are we doing this? The independence of our three branches of government. I shouldn't all be in lockstep supporting a potentially solid cystic precedent right. And so. Where do you think it's going I think Carol's I? I agree with Carol about the president becoming more you know but followed it from the train And it was remarkable because it wasn't just the grievances in the enemies but the language he used he called people evil. He suggested that Faithful people don't really pray and and don't have faith he. He reenacted by the way the text messages between Peter Struck and Lisa page from the East Room of the White House. which is one of the most sacred Presidential venues in our history I think he's going to be unbounded unshackled and do whatever you please consequential you guys issues like unbound unshackled more than you think. He's pretty much been unshackled the whole time time like what. It's just slightly more crazy unless people people in his way I think it's just not less resistance internally. Has People around him. Who Don't question this? I've worked for a crazy person. I worked for John McLaughlin. Many years ago remember him crazy dead now good like I don't know what else to say but he was A. He was hit very similar narcissistic personality disorder. Doing crazy things to people ultimately certainly a sexual harasser all kinds of stuff and it was really interesting to watch because I was not a Republican. I just happened to be there just as twenty two years old and so I didn't have you no. I didn't want to become successful in Republican politics later in the people there did because he had quite a lot of purview and what was interesting is how much they put up with at the time I was fascinated by. Ah I would talk back to them and say no no. This is not going to happen. Even at twenty two and what was really interesting is that there was no one to stop them and they were always like like this and they just became more so they'd be more successful. I guess at it and so I think this is exactly what he's like and not any different may be slightly crazier possibly some mental degeneration going on or exhaustion of office. I don't know But what happens then. How do you cover this then and not say this guy is stone stone cold crazy or something like that while we can't him? We're not experts on mental health and psychological fitness. But we can watch how how he's stressing these institutions now. He's testing them and when he first came into office there was a feeling that okay the legislative branch will hold him accountable and okay okay. The Democrats won the house in two thousand eighteen so suddenly that guardrail is in place. Well that's gone. There was a sense that the Justice Department would be independent from the White House. House would investigate these things properly. That seems to be gone. This Attorney General Bill Bar. WHO's very much following? Trump's orders and trying to protect him politically and and there aren't a lot of institutions. That are standing. Judiciary is one clearly and the courts have blocked a number of things That are considered illegal that the president and his administration situation of tried to do the free press is bringing a lot of this delight and serving a critical function At the moment we've watched over three years these institutions start to erode road. Another five years. I don't know what it's going to look like But our role in all of it is to just chronicle it in question it and bring it to light as best. We Canon quickly as we can. Tell me how it's changed being reported because like you're all on twitter. You're I've always said I thought that one's corrupt this one's like people like cover tech like the house was terrible. Lubar guy is like sociopath. Whatever I like I like when you once you do reporting you can sort of make that? I'm part of a change in reporting where we actually actually tell people we actually think. How does it change his political reporters because there is this sort of Washington political reporter who has been the typical one? Like you all who just were just here to cover the news. Ma'am and then there's this whole new class of political reporters who are just gloves off like and it's a really and then there's all these pundits running around. Where was that going the political because it used used to be much more point? I don't like the blurry -ness of it at all. I I understand where you want to say. I'm calling this what I want to call it but I feel really strongly that the old school way it should be the new way about reporting we tell you the facts you make the decisions the same as what the book you know. We do some analysis us and we we have some through lines and themes that we see but they're based on factual they don't reform right. But but for example you know either call your civil and opinion person or call yourself reporter. There shouldn't be a lot of middle ground we don't need to sex defy are reporting to get people to see it and to know what's going on and make their own conclusion of one thing. We're asked a lot about is like why do you call The president a liar. We were asked about this the other night and I feel as just fill Phil. We're going to use the word lie really carefully data the Washington. It was a big argument with someone there. A high ranking person when he was lying. I'm like it's ally lie. Well we're going to say he fabricates and I was like it's a lot like why not just use the word and he said it's a loaded word. I'm like it's not a loaded word. I think we can say lie when we know right. It's intentional. So for example we didn't know in real time that he was actively lying he knew in the trump tower Don Jr. moment now we know he intentionally lied lied. He was warned that information was inaccurate and he spun it but we just need to be careful about that. I I think we should stay on our lines. It does that. Make it so someone like that wins. 'CAUSE that those people win when you when you have those standards it's really interesting problem When in fact you know better in owed I well? I think just showing people is what we need to do. I actually in terms of winning or losing. We don't think about reporting that way but I will say one thing I worry about is how often when we are chasing the shiny ball. Toss us up in the air each day. Distraction and we we should be digging deeper than just his tweets we of course it's our duty he to cover what he's saying. He's the president of the United States. But there's a lot more going on. What do you think that the shiny ball thing is really a problem? And he's great at it. It's every day it's a new thing that you have to like and and you've forgotten the past six things. It's a huge problem and challenge in our reporting and it's been this way by the way from the very beginning this campaign and we've had to do at the post is it's actually double the team of people covering the president because we feel like we can't ignore how many people do have covering present right. We have seven fulltime White House. Reporters and family have and on top of that. We have breaking news team of three reporters who mostly right about. And that's the president's things early in the morning or late at night when he's tweeting things and then the whole investigative team which is another Component but you know we try to do it all. We've we've decided at the post and the Times has made the same decision to that. We can't ignore when the president says something something outlandish or attack somebody or something of value. He's the president of the United States. What he says on twitter is a statement on our sea of from our country From the leader of our country and should be covered. But we also can't let that get in the way of real digging and reporting so. There's a a assessment priorities. Ladies every day in the newsroom and a lot of the reporters covering the president are assigned to basically ignore the the shiny balls focus on the deeper reporting and enterprise pulled pulled into that world of twitter though. I mean look you just had a controversy at the post with Felicia is so miss Around some as around a Kobe Bryant this was. She doesn't cover Kobe Brighton. Right and just all she did was tweet a A story about his history which is an you know gayle king getting killed at any for just asking question about this history was saying it's inappropriate right now. They do so. It's nobody's business decide. What's appropriate when it is? I can see why people's feelings would be hurt. But I you know I. It's it's a pressure on reporters. When you have a president who's using these tools and beautifully and brazenly to be covering it and not being able to To clapback well. There's no reason for us to cut back on that particular the controversy. I would just say that. It's incredibly important that everybody who works at the Washington Post or for any organization that they're tweeting and social the media presence honors and respects and is true to the mission of what we do every day which is report without fear or favor. Now you know people have have different opinions about when we tweet about someone who just died. WHO's viewed in a lionised way? But I've think it's must be incredibly difficult for for for example Marty Baron. The Post editor executive editor to feel responsible for the tweets and INSTAGRAM's and facebook post of eight hundred and fifty professionals really tricky situation and honestly in this chasm in our country which is almost nearing civil war proportions. One inside thinks Oh. There's the evidence that that person that reporter is is a Yapper or oh. There's the evidence that that reporters in the tank for you know the trumps We just have to be so careful so priestly and it's hard to do. It's hard to do. Yeah what about you. I agree with what Carol just said. And and you know we have We're fortunate to have a big platform on twitter to share our reporting and our news information. And you know that Ah that brings. Its own pressures to like I. I'm very careful about what I tweet about expressing opinions in in the heat of the moment when trump does something and and I always lean towards sharing fact and sharing analysis that gives followers. Something that they wouldn't get otherwise without sort of letting it all out there or without saying threatening personal because we're speaking on behalf of the Washington Post people follow us because we're Washington Post reporters knock because like I'm a Super Ham. Cool Guy Right uh-huh you. You must have to go out to the woods and start screaming. That's okay last question for both of you gotta go Prediction besides besides embolden and please do. Because he's stone call. Okay no but you know what I mean. I love those like now now. He'll really take the gloves. There's been no hello. There have been no. What club are you talking about? CONTINUES TO LOUDER JAZZ hands. But Wha what is the prediction for this election coming boy. Hey by the way in case you're injured that's my landside jazz hands. If you understand jazz hands you understand. Donald Trump having watched all the apprentices. One thing Philon I feel about predicting is that. It's a bad idea but we will say also election election producing you know. It's not a very good day or week or month or year for Democrats and why didn't help but when you look at Donald Trump look at the way he electrifies his his base he can get them riled up excited chanting whatever words he's chanting whether they're factual or not and you don't really feel the same kind of thing on the democratic side so well behaved and he's an he's incumbents commits who already has a huge advantage without electricity. He's got that's the genius that's the that's the special sauce. It's going to be hard to be you know. I don't know how this will turn. He certainly is beatable historically unpopular president and yet talking the Democrats top people in the party. The last few days there is reeling Zaidi and concern That he is is in a very strong political position right now coming out of impeachment and his approval rating is up and he's going to be difficult for the Democrats to beat but they can do it and they haven't haven't Suzy Azam because there are so many people in this country especially young especially Brown especially women who are repulsed by this president and want this period in our history to be over. Are you going to keep covering the ones. Oh boy I don't you know I don't think we can ever not cover donald trump in some capacity of our lives. Yeah so you're going to keep covering them probably. What if he doesn't win? What's what's that next day like? Besides the tweet. It's a huge change. But he's not going to go away right he's not going to be the president that goes up in Marine One off to his ranch and we never hear from him for another year and memoir comes up he's going to he might be acting as shadow auto president trump tower lago. Where his now? He's now the official resident of Florida. Yeah so I don't know but he's going to be in our lives until until he's no longer in our lives. Okay what about you to be continued. I don't know how much material so I mean many people ask us. We're GONNA write another book and I think I'm just going to say okay. We'll see yeah. Oh you got to come on. Come on you've got such good stuff. I mean really. There's been so many books but this one was full of juicy details quite good digger digger. Thank you thank you so much for being here. This is an amazing book. It's called a very stable. Genius is by Carol Leonard and Phil Rucker From The Washington Post stone cold losers both Thank you so much for coming on the show. 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Our country is facing to mark the signing of a new agreement between Israel the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain yet by days and the focus was very much right back to the president's approach to the pandemic that has taken more than one hundred ninety. Six thousand American lives infected over six point six million Americans in what may have been the toughest questioning of this president yet donald trump tonight took questions from undecided voters at a town hall anchor by George. Stephanopoulos ABC. News, it was held in Philadelphia having limited his media exposure to largely friendly outlets limited exposure period to the American people. The president. Seemed to be clearly taken aback by the sharp questions and some of the follow ups in some cases indeed. One of the first questions concerned trump's comments to veteran journalist Bob Woodward about the risks of the virus. I wanted to I wanted to always play it down I still like playing down. Yes. Because I don't want to create a panic. Here's what the president was asked about that tonight. People it's the president's responsibility to protect America. Why would you downplay a pandemic? That is known to disproportionately harm for low income families and minority communities. Yeah. Well, I didn't down it I actually in many ways I played in terms of action my accent was very strong. Necklace what I did was a with China, I put a ban on with Europe, I put a ban on so we saved a lot of lives when we did that. That right. There is in direct contrast to what the president was saying about his comments to Bob Woodward just last week. By saying I now played. Virus. In order to. Well I think if you said in order to reduce panic perhaps it so I want people to be frightened I, don't want to create panic. As you say that I want to show a communist. I'm the leader of the country. I can't be jumping up and down and scaring people I. Don't WanNa scare people I want people to panic. And that's exactly what I did. The American. People and why should we trust what you have to town terrible question and the phraseology didn't lie what I said is we have to become we can't be panicked and what I said to Woodward was actually good Sitcom we need com- Panic. Tonight more of Bob. Woodward's recorded conversations with trump about the pandemic have been made public CNN tonight air new excerpts of those phone calls including one in July when the president grew defensive over criticism of his response to the virus. All. My life outweigh the most. Kyoto things that we got a hundred and five days. Let the all turns out I think it's GonNa. Okay. Today at. One working with the virus because it came and. Hear, anybody else that you got it. You got it. The country's got it in the world's got but you're in charge of this country and you know when we got than any other country gift about better than any other country at handling it, and it's a bigger more diverse more difficult country and we've done better than the other than with the press I don't. I done a great job with the. I can't do a good job because it's fake. Anything but why GUCA. People. And you walk, right? Okay. Our view. Things back. The president was asked about the Woodward book this morning during a lengthy live phone conversation on Fox and friends. Actually got to read last night I read it very quickly and that was very boring. NOT SUGGEST MR president that same boring book on it. Okay fine. Trump's opponent. Joe Biden was campaigning in Florida today and once again attacked trump for his approach to the pandemic. This is totally ignore. Look what he did. This president knew he knew the danger he knew how deadly this pandemic was and he denied it. He didn't. He didn't say a word to the American people about it. So this it's been near criminal the way he's handled this it's absolutely bizarre. All of this taking place, of course, against a new report of escalating tensions between trump administration officials and the government scientists still struggling to contain this virus. Tonight Politico is reporting Health Secretary Alex as our has been battling the FDA Commissioner Dr Steven Hahn over Kovic tests writing quote the fight over lab developed tests has driven a wedge between the agency and the health department and some points. The dispute was so intense that boiled over into screaming matches between as our and Han, and there are reports. Assistant Health. Secretary Michael Caputo has now apologized after posting an online rant accusing federal scientists working in the pandemic section of sedition while warning of possible coming violence from left wing hit squads he is said to be considering taking Aleve for his health finally back to the big celebration earlier today on the South, lawn the Middle East signing ceremony was just the latest White House event with standard close together pre pandemic seating. Little if any mask wearing among senior officials jared Kushner was asked why that is. We've been holding our rallies outdoors by and large. We had one where several outdoor venues were were forbidden to us by the governor. So that one was forced to go indoors. People have a first amendment rights and make mass. And, we ask people to follow guidance and we also tell people who think they're high risk for the disease to stay home. But again, at the end of the day in America, we still have to figure out how to live our lives. We're not gonNA lock ourselves in our home because of the pandemic. Without delay, let's get to our leadoff discussion on a busy Tuesday night Phil Rucker Pulitzer, prize. Winning White House Bureau chief for The Washington Post. He is co author along with Carol Lending of the bestseller a very stable genius Kimberly Atkins veteran a WBZ and the Boston Herald now a member of the Boston, Globe editorial board and Jeremy Bass former chief of staff at the CIA. And the Pentagon former chief counsel to house Intel good evening, and welcome to you all fell. I'd like to begin with you forty nine days to go until the election the candidate Mr trump that you saw tonight was he in debate shape and debate ready or did his performance on the ABC News townhall show a guy who's been limited to friendly audiences and no time limits. Brian to be perfectly frank that performance tonight by the President ABC townhall should sent shudders and shockwaves through the Republican. Party of first debate is fourteen days away to Tuesdays from now, and this is a president who's clearly not ready for that debate is answers especially on the corona virus the number one topic for many voters were circuitous. They were curious. They were sort of all over the map at one point he was even challenging the science. Behind mass usage and claimed that some people don't think masks were and George Stephanopoulos pressed him on it. who those people are. The president said waiters at restaurant. It was a very strange answer. He was clearly on the defensive taking questions from. Some of the voters in the audience and it was so striking and rare to see a real people, real Americans confronting the President with challenging questions with urgent questions and having the backbone and wherewithal to follow up with him and when the president tried to interrupt him as happened with one woman. Professor she said no Sir Please let me answer ask my question I. It was really a sight to see an assigned. This is a president who's who's rather rusty after. So many months of really talk to a very friendly interviewers like judge Deneen over the weekend and Fox and friends this morning and not really putting himself out there I in a grueling way to prepare for these debates. Kim Indeed. coming off fills answer. You've watched this guy a longtime yourself. How does he seem to process the fact that we can hear him on the tapes with Bob Woodward talk about downplaying the virus we can see him on those very days publicly diminish and downplay the danger of the virus to the public. And tonight what he saw was the voters also can see him and hear him as well in that clip that you played with the young woman she herself was fat checking the president in real time saying that he did indeed say he wanted to downplay the virus you you pointed Phil pointed out of the professor who insisted that she be able to ask a question this president is used to shouting. Down insulting members of the press when he does do a press conferences and otherwise seeking out you know media that is that is beneficial to him but he seemed off you know to really be off his step when dealing with actual voters even at one point confusing a woman talking about the death of her mother in asking a question about immigration and thought it was a question about covid. And so yes, with two weeks away before these debates with forty some days before this election his campaign really should hope that he can be able to answer questions directly particularly questions when he's asked about the corona virus because he himself said that it was the biggest obstacle that he's faced but he said he's done nothing wrong and clearly in the minds of voters several these questions were about the virus itself in the federal. Response. And clearly in the minds of these voters, that is not how they see it. Jeremy Bash to your. Area of expertise it is a skeptical age and so today's Middle East accord agreed to on the White House lawn tell us the meaning and impact what's in it? How does this differ from the last one of our these lasting agreements and who anyone do they leave out? I think these are very significant. I mean after all, you had to Arab nations to Gulf countries signing a historic peace agreement with Israel. This is no doubt in important accomplishment towards Middle East diplomacy normalization, notably Peace Now. Of course, the missing aspect of it is what will be of the Israeli Palestinian track that was not addressed today in some respects I think the Arab nations can. Claim that they might make peace more likely because Israel had to stop its annexation plans and that could potentially bring the Palestinians back hail. But this was no doubt an important significant day not unlike the day of the three way handshake between begging Sadat in Carter the nineteen seventies in the day that King Hussein came to the White House. To sign a peace treaty with Israel in nineteen. Ninety four. Phil Rucker Jared Kushner raised the fact today that he has tapes of his end of the Woodward interview you've spoken to Woodward to quote from you in the Washington Post Woodward added I'm quite interested when jared says he has tapes I have tapes I taped him with his permission I suspect he was taping me he did noggin extend that courtesy to me that he was taping the conversation. Fill is this a case of someone trying to get out of? Of something uncomfortable in the interview. I think that's right. Bryant. Bob Woodward quotes Jared Kushner and his book rage as saying that the most dangerous thing to the president and I'm paraphrasing here the most dangerous thing that President are the idiots and that he had gotten rid of them and Woodward writes that that was a reference to Defense Secretary James Mattis Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and economic advisor Gary Cohn. When Jared Kushner was pressed this morning on the today show by Savannah Guthrie to explain that comment. Kushner claimed that those are not the people he was referring to that he was speaking instead about staffers on trump's two, thousand, sixteen campaign and so a couple of hours later. I. Had the opportunity to interview Bob Woodward for Washington Post Live and asked him to respond. To, Kushner there and Woodward said Dona, know, these were not campaign staffers that Kushner was talking about. He was very clearly talking about members of the administration and those three in particular of course, recorded those conversations as he did all eighteen conversations, the ad with President trump and you know we'll see if he releases that audio or if jared releases audio but clearly, this is a case of Kushner trying to back away from a comment that he made to Woodward and was quoted in the book as as being derivative in regards to matters, tillerson and comb. He can't one of the questions tonight a civilian was so direct and persistent and effective. I've already heard suggestions tonight the where he really belongs in the White House Press Room I wanNA play for you a portion of the exchange where he pressed the President We need to see. Because you say again, we need to see when was that great that pushes us back to a time in which we cannot identify with such greatness and I mean you said everything else about choke in and everything else but you've yet to address Inigo. Has a race problem in America. So if you go well I hope is not a risk problem I can tell you there's done with as I. Have Great respect for all races for everybody this country is great because of it. Cam your take on that exchange. The president was given repeated opportunities by this questioner and by George Stephanopoulos to address race problems in the United States be related to criminal justice and more broadly, and each time he refused to saying even saying just there that he doesn't have a problem with that, he does he hopes that there isn't a race problem. All he would do was defend police officers. He sees this as a binary choice between acknowledging the racism that exists in not just the criminal justice system but in all systems in the United States and supporting police as an either or proposition, you can't do both. And that is his view of this. He did not display any sort of empathy or understanding of the fear that black Americans do have of this idea that make America great. Again as some sort of throwback to a time where race problems were even more fraught than they are today and so it was just an example of this president's view that there isn't race problems his lack of understanding about it, and that voter was able to really demonstrate that very well. Jeremy Bash I know you first and foremost as a patriot and so it was a gut punch for a lot of people today one we read about the Pew. Poll. About how far esteem has fallen regarding the United States vis-a-vis our leader, the confidence indication as there on the far right for trump of the US. He ranks below she below Putin and forget about the numbers being put up on the board by leaders like mccrone and Merckel. How do we ever get this back in a nation where we are fond of calling ourselves from children's earliest memories and history books in school the leaders of the free world. Brian this poll looking at people's attitudes. Thirteen countries showed that The view of the United States is at an all time low and it's because of the way. Donald Trump conducts himself as president. It's also because of the way he is failed in his leadership on Covid just to come back to the Stephanopoulos townhall tonight Brian, and the most important quote from the president tonight was that he said that that if we don't have. A vaccine maybe we'll just go to a heard. He said mentality I think he meant herd immunity but even forgetting the Flab, a herd immunity strategy would leave to three million people in our country dead. So the idea that is actually on the table by the president as an option, the vaccine strategy doesn't work out is incredibly alarming shows you just how failed his leadership has been on covert and why that's reflected in this pupil tonight. Indeed I'm reminded the president's last words in that town hall tonight this was the quote we made a lot of people look good. He went on to say they didn't all deserve to look good he was talking about. Pushing supplies of P. E. Two governors who don't agree with him politically. But that was his closing quote that during covert, we made a lot of people look good our thanks to our big three for starting us off tonight Phil Rucker, Kimberly Atkins Jeremy Bash coming up for us after our first break six months ago today schools, restaurants, Las Vegas. Casinos were all shutting down because of Corona virus. We'll get an update from the medical frontlines on where this battle stands half a year later now and later chilling allegations about an ice detention center in Georgia and the medical treatments possibly going on inside all of us the eleventh hours just getting underway on this Tuesday. Almost one, hundred, ninety, six, thousand, Americans died from Corona virus and the president sets an example for the American public. Don't you think to save lives he should be doing more as an example. Yes. So what we've seen now is I think mortalities at about thirty percent on a daily basis of what it was at its peak in America today or danger. I, think the number about seven hundred this week, which is. Down something. Americans a day. And at the end of the day, we're doing everything possible. That last bit is simply untrue. It is clear about the numbers alone. The federal government is hardly doing everything possible not even close that all started with jared Kushner being asked about the LASCA lack of mask-wearing today's White House event for the record another nine hundred, eighty, six, American lives were lost in just these past twenty, four hours because of the ongoing pandemic, you heard Kushner attempt to relitigate the death toll there back with us tonight, Dr Steven Sample as an Er doc at Memorial Hospital and Healthcare Center out. Jasper. INDIANA. Doctor. Before you can say a word I'm going to play a little bit for you of tonight's townhall on ABC News. We'll discuss on the other side. It is going to disappear. It's going to disappear. Don't take, action crack. Oh I still say it it's going to disappear George was probably going to go away now a lot faster because of the vaccine, it would go away without the vaccine George but it's going to go a lot faster with away without the vaccine sure over a period of time. Sure with time because any deaths and you'll develop, you'll developed hurt like a herd mentality it's going to be it's going to be heard developed. Doctor First of all, how's that herd mentality doing out in Indiana but seriously, can you inject some science and or medicine here? Brian Ban I am tired. I'm so tired of this. So I know he slipped up I, know he meant herd immunity. But the herd mentality of his acolytes is looks in a heap this virus around longer. It's why we are where we are is coming from the top down. And we are just living every single day with the results of his herd mentality you know. The vaccine is going to be great, but this administration has done so much to undermine the public confidence in our system in our a-political scientific systems are CDC who that even if we have a perfect back seen I, don't know who's GonNa get it. People are just. They don't know what to believe. Indeed on that very point, there's new polling about the decreasing percentage of people who say they will get it and I don't know if someone thinks were stupid the president said today promising it'll be ready It'll be developed between four and eight weeks from now. I happen to notice the election is ten weeks from now if you don't have to be a scientist to get the whiff of a product that is being rushed to market for political reasons, it would be a tragedy if people were scared of the vaccine and would leave us in exactly the same situation. Correct. I mean you're exactly right. I mean, even suspicions and other medical professionals are questioning this now because we don't know what is going on, we know that they're liberal on the CDC in the FBI. And we certainly never seen a vaccine comes back. Now we've never been faced with an a situation like this and certainly thought million really smart people working on list but. We've got to do this the right way or people are gonNA trusted. Even on the medical side, right? Absolutely and if the University of Washington projections come anywhere close to true Dr, we're talking about a death rate closer to three thousand souls per week between now and the first of the year. Is Matt's right. It's it's we're going to nine eleven every three days right now. And Jared Kushner's on TV trying to minimize it. Suggests Jared Kushner, spend less time as plastic surgeons office and I would suggest that he go visited covert war because clearly jared Kushner has never seen the horror and the helplessness that we feel we watch somebody gas for their last breath it is the most horrifying thing that you can imagine. Dr Steven Sample thank you for agreeing to check in with us from time to time. Especially when there's news, we need a medical reaction to greatly appreciate it coming up for US Joe. Biden back on the road at a critical state will ask James Carvel how he's doing how the Democratic effort is doing against all this when we come back. Carla. Hall found her success as a two time finalist on top chef and is a TV personality, GM and Netflix's crazy delicious. But the biggest moments in Carla's life have come when she decided to face adversity head on her motto say Yes to everything life throws your way. In. 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Every Tuesday just search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. was there a moment in all of this last two months where you said to yourself? You know you're waking up or you? Know whatever you're doing and you say. This is the leadership test of lifetime. No, no I think it might be but I don't think that I. All I WanNa do is get herself narrow many people that said that. Hit your now work at President who? I to you. Many people have said well. Back with us again tonight to talk about everything we have covered thus far the sometimes region, but always entertaining James Carville veteran democratic strategist who rose to national fame with the Clinton presidential effort and his Co host of the twenty twenty politics war room broadcast. So James. If you're counseling the opponent Mr. Biden. If you saw tonight's ABC News townhall if you've heard any or all of the recordings between Woodward and this president. How do you counsel Joe Biden to run against this guy and is he in debate shape? So get Michael Bumper put up five, hundred, million dollars in run actual town hall foundation. So everybody could see it. Is Inability to react on empathize with people if something staggering in everybody's trying to wonder why did they do this desperate? Because he knows he's GonNa lose it when he losers Pica Bryan Muffin and he's gone jail. And he knows that. So why would he exposed himself to a format that is completely ill suited to him. It was quite remarkable and you know having to work. For Bill, Clinton is probably the best run on one politician ever live. To watch him. We accident would people is just stunning and is dismissive is of of ordinary people is really studying. It you know maybe to forty two percent data with him stay but boy do absorb any good beyond that tonight I. Didn't see it in any way shape or call. I was thinking about that tonight James Two aspects number one tonight afforded interaction with people that despite the fact that that people were an extremists, some campaigns would cherish that moment for that Opportunity for interaction that's number one, number two this president hasn't had a time limit imposed on speaking since the last time he debated and to put it politely he is used to going on a bit. Yes Chris desperate in it. He's gotten worse because if the election. Gets closer he understands what he's faced with S it. He knows what the Manhattan do any nosing arbitrage he knows what the gentleman report on the structure of. Justice. And he's just swinging wildly he's also disjointed as you turn talking tomorrow to about the herd mentality of course, I. Love that Dr Javy in. Christian plastic surgery and guys got a career in politics I'll tell you. But he's he's up against the clock in Vice. President Biden just sticks to the fundamentals talks about grazer mental ways talks about bringing prescription drug costs. Now talks about expanding infrastructure talks about healthcare costs A. Failed Kobe response to things that people live in every day we up huge unemployment has country with huge under People are really hurting out there and I think think Biden needs to double down on the very fundamental issues that people are looking for that will appeal to democratic base in by the way, it will have a lot of appeal today's role boulders in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin, and Minnesota Farda. Shock on North Carolina, all over the country so. Great Opportunity here for Vice President Biden expand his lead but he's got to do it by doing the basics fundamentals. I think Bernie Sanders was exactly right. He's got to focus on these issues and I'm hardly Malia Barney Bourbon I completely is advice to the Biden campaign. Led Me Slip a break in here James and on the other side when we resume our conversation will ask James his advice for Biden to run against this president in this post post truth Eero will show an example when we come back By the way a lot of people don't want to wear masks are a lot of people think the masks are not good and there are a lot of people that as an example, those people who I'll tell you who those people are waiters they come over and they serve you they have a mask and I saw it the other day where they were serving me and they're playing with a mask. I'm not blaming that I'm just saying what happens they're playing with the mask, and so the mask is over and they're touching it and put, and then they're touching the plate that can't be good. That was from tonight's townhall James. Carville remains with US James Please, give me your reaction to a president who is not just not advocating the wearing of masks and a pandemic with projections that we could save forty to sixty thousand lives. He is sowing doubt about masks in the middle of a pandemic. Is this a president debt attacks palm soldiers that this is a president that imply Gano twenty, one, thousand, two, hundred, and fourteen times. This is the president. Debt denies any responsibility for the greatest public health crisis who had this country for one hundred years? Very, little that heating due to astonish me harsh. Apprise me. But what already thought about tonight was is inability to relate to a human being in why would they put him in a situation like that where you know Boettger when other votes treated cruelly a in it's one thing if you want to treat the Speaker Pelosi of ice president by broke their politicians have big people. I, mean the first rule you learn in politics since you don't, you don't dismiss ordinary people and that's exactly what he does. It's very little. He could say surprise me. In a new. Doctor Cleveland on May not think they public health experts suggest exasperated they can't bleed what they're going through. And it's tragic but we're just GONNA have more this and we're going to see it in a debate today ended up campaign. It's not gonNA. Stop. The stop being he is and he's very unskilled politician news incapable of truth. At. Bottom line where we all? James Indeed it's getting uglier. The president re tweeted something. We're not going to give airtime to here. Tonight it's a Cuban on. Conspiracy Theory that Joe Biden is child molester course. On you believe all prominent Democrats and anyone connected to the entertainment industry as a child molester. Well, my friend Wolf Blitzer. Took this question to jared Kushner this afternoon wolf was angry about this. You could tell I'm going to play that exchange. We'll discuss it on the other side. Very disturbed earlier today when I saw the president re tweet was eighty million plus followers very, very disturbing ugly message accusing the Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden of actually being a pedophile, is that appropriate to give publicity to a really disgusting accusation like that I will relate him your concern and again I think one thing about this president, he's very transparent president he. Know he he lets people know what he's thinking. James all that was missing from his expressionless answer was the right answer and that is, of course no one believes. Joe Biden is a child Molester Patta file, but this instead is what we have. Well I mean look down Abasement Bake helpless children are locked US I. Mean It. It's. going. Jared Kushner just. Trump. He knows he's gone to generated by the way I used to I used to represent the jalen Baton Rouge and ship. Sheriff's Office. Jared is McConnell do well in jail I. Promise you. It's not the prospect is not going to be good and they're just desperate people. They're clinging onto Cunanan clinging onto some of the craziest conspiracy theories that you can imagine and I don't think they have much of the place to go in this a really down and you're going to see this during the debates you're GonNa see this be hand it's going to increase the they're going to start every kind of rumor that they can and I think we just have beheaded. By Biden. And everybody's got to be calm. Go studious and let the American people. See It is I bury optimistic that we're GONNA. Have a good election. We just gotTa stay focused on the issues and stay focused on people's lives and let him. It'd be cool. Whatever crazy stuff they come up with no here. This is the world we've been handed in the year twenty twenty James Carville grateful as always. Thank you very much for joining us tonight open and. That's for sure coming up after this break a new week, and there's now another whistle blower. Only this case is very different from the others. If this allegation is true, the horrifying abuse at an ice detention facility could rival other historic atrocities. One of our reporters tracking this story joins us to talk about it right after this. We are following some horrible allegations out of an ICE detention center in Georgia nurse at that facility and lawyers representing clients their claim that immigrant women are telling them. They are routinely being sent to gynecologist who performed unnecessary procedures including hysterectomy hysterectomies forced sterilizations the nurse Don Wildman has filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security earlier today Ms Wooden spoke to our own jacobs sober. Often warning what she has to say here in addition to this story itself is disturbing. You're quoting the complaint of saying that's his specialty. He's the uterus collector. Is that people refer to this doctor? That's how the detainees referred to this physician. Him is I had detained into s she said, well, what is he doing? Miss wooten collecting Alibi uteruses. And I just looked at her puzzle. Because I didn't have. The private company that runs detention facility released a statement that reads in part and we quote Lesao, corrections has a strict zero tolerance policy for any kind of inappropriate behavior in our facilities and takes all allegations of mistreatment. Seriously, our company strongly refutes these allegations and any implications of misconduct at the I. CDC that Detention Facility and a statement immigration and customs enforcement ice says, the accusations will be fully investigated. That's a quote they denied. Detainees are being used for experimental medical procedures. Adding quote I says, mission is to protect the homeland. And to swiftly and quickly remove people from the country. The health welfare and safety of ice detainees is one of the agency's highest priorities. Any assertion or claim to the contrary is false and intentionally misleading is also said, since two thousand, eighteen, two individuals from the facility were referred to doctors for hysterectomies. Now, NBC News, National Security, and justice correspondent Julia Ainsley has been following this story and joins US tonight Julia give us the benefit of your reporting talking to these women directly and trying to reach one of the attorneys in this case. So Brian, what we can tell you is that we have spoken to four attorneys who say that their clients who were in the Irwin County detention center in Georgia were sent to this doctor. His name is Mahindra Amine. That is the doctor that these lawyers each individually identified without us prompting his name we reached out to him and I've deficit. Someone picked up the phone like I'd be making an appointment as soon as I identified myself as a reporter. They hung up I was not able to get through to get a response from him because his lawyers told us that their clients that detainees said that they thought that he was unnecessarily harsh one had a client who reported bruising one had to clients who reported hysterectomies they found out later that they did not need that he told them that they had a cancerous condition that needed to be taken care of the agreed to the hysterectomy only to find out later that was not the case that they did not have to go that far with that procedure. But now here is what Dr Amine told buzzfeed again. NBC. News has not yet talk to this doctor, but he did say that. His lawyer said, the doctor is a highly respected physician who dedicated his adult life to treating the high risk underserved population in rural Georgia, and they believe that this allegations that started with the Whistle Blower Jacob spoke to that they believe that after they investigate allegations that Dr. I mean will be cleared of any wrongdoing and I will say all of these are allegations right now none of this has been presented in a court of Law Don wooten sent that complaint to the Inspector General of D. H. S. They will do their digging. She did not name names she did not even named this. Doctor she did not give dates. It was only from US speaking to lawyers with clients in this facility. Did we learn more of the story we've also learned that this doctor is someone who they send detainees to outside of the facility. He's not actually working in side for ice. One other detail though Brian that I did learn about this doctor is that in two thousand, fifteen, he and other doctors had to settle and pay over five hundred thousand dollars in civil penalties for Medicaid and Medicare fraud with the Justice Department that settlement and twenty, five hundred. So we're learning more but right now he's denying. What a potentially explosive and obviously potentially very hurtful story Julia Ainsley. Thank you. We will stay on this story with your help coming up a late live updates on the danger that millions are facing as we go on into the late night. Higher wanted joy Reid I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the readout every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest news makers about the most pressing issues of our time like, Joe Biden the words of president matter and so as President United States. The first thing I'm GonNa, do stand up and talk sense be honest with the American people level with them Atlanta mayor. Keisha. Land's bottom. We need as many voices as we can had as. Possible sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions to follow the science and the data. Senator Comma Harris, we send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflaged uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the readout that's R. E. I d. Oh ut one word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing free. Thanks for listening. Last thing before we go tonight, an update on Hurricane Sally while it has hardly moved other than swirling over these past few hours it has changed and while it's hardly the worst hurricane they've seen in the Gulf, they've seen worse this year. In fact, it's the duration and the precipitation that make this unique. There is good news for certain folks New Orleans is out of the warning area they. May just get light showers from this, but there's bad news for other folks from mobile depends at Cola from Pascagoula at Gulf shores Orange Beach in some places. In fact, thirty thirty inches of rain is a possibility. You'll see what I mean here shortly tonight, our own Ali. Chelsea is in Orange Beach. Alabama directly on the Gulf coast where the storm is knocking on the door. Hello my friend. Ryan good evening from from Alabama this store at the top of the hour. The storm was sixty miles due south of me moving at two miles per hour, which means it's about fifty miles out right now I have never in fifty years of current. Covering Hurricanes Been Eight ten twelve hours away from landfall and seeing this kind of precipitation and this kind of wind storm. That's almost sixty miles out. It's been raining since after noon here. So this is gonNA suffer up all the ground around here that even if we get ninety miles an hour in terms of wind at that point, you could push polls down he could push trees down. So it's going to become quite dangerous a lot of flooding already this is expected to make landfall. There are some estimates at about eight am eastern time the mass suggests. Unless it speeds up a little bit the look at these kinds of which could you imagine this blowing for the next eight or ten hours and the destruction that this can. cause. It's probably going to landfall as of the latest estimate several miles west of here we're between mobile and Fed Sakala. We're right here on the beach and everybody is bracing for the storm to commit most people who have evacuated. Who can't evacuate have evacuated of the gas stations in the area are now out of gas or certainly no chance of getting out now if you haven't done so so everybody right now in this area is hunkering down forget as you said, not going to be the biggest of storms certainly, not even the biggest this region is seen, but it is GonNa be soaked and these wins again, eight hours out nine hours out are still remarkably high, right? All right thank you very much for your live report. I hope you and the crew are safe I. Hope you and the crew can dry out at least between now and tomorrow's landfall, and let's not forget this storm has flooding potential as it moves inland up toward Atlanta Georgia and through the Carolinas Alley Belch er thanks for that. It is indeed a blessing. This storm does not have winds and rain in equal measure. This will cause trouble for enough people. And on top of the suffering out west and the rampaging wildfires, please spare a thought for those Americans who are on the run tonight forced into shelters in the middle of a pandemic, and this is going to be another long night along portions of the Gulf. Coast like Orange Beach Alabama that's going to be our broadcast. This Tuesday night. Thank you for spending this time with us on behalf of all my colleagues up the networks of NBC News Good Night. Hey everyone it's for mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America. The return of school during the coronavirus pandemic has given rise to all kinds of new rules and new consequences for not following them this week on into America I talk to one expert who says this new approach to discipline won't fall on all kids equally plus a look at it. They're euro program in Eugene Oregon that. is becoming a model for police reform across the country cahoots yet that's the real name works with the local police department to make sure that mental health experts not officers are the first responders to some emergencies end as fires blazed across. California local governments are realizing they have a lot to learn from native tribes, Margo Robbins of the Iraq Dr Explains How to safely region whose fire to the natural ecosystem. Could help prevent the devastation. We've been seeing these past few weeks out will join us for these conversations new episodes, drop every Monday Wednesday and Thursday search for into. America wherever you're listening right now and subscribe.

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April 24, 2020

POLITICO Playbook Audio Briefing

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April 24, 2020

"Today's playbook audio briefing is presented by Pharma Friday morning. I'm Anna Palmer and welcomed your politico playbook audio briefing and I'm Jay Sherman. I'm just here to present ideas as what Donald Trump said to Phil Rucker of the Washington Post when Phil posited quite accurately that people are tuning into White House briefings because they want to get information and guidance about what to do. They're not looking for rumors. In the corona virus briefing to those ideas were injecting disinfected to our lungs and trying to kill the corona virus with ultra-violet Lights The New York Times reports that trump has long pinned his hopes on the power of sunlight to defeat the corona virus. And they right. He's eagerly theorizing dangerously in the view of some experts about the hours of sunlight ultraviolet light in household disinfectants to kill the corona virus. And we've got news. President trump is expected to sign the nearly half trillion dollar corona buyers. Bill later today but at the White House Psychic Energy has shifted to the next package and with the administration can do in the middle of this pandemic to try to jumpstart the economy. You don't have to pay much attention to what the President says about what he wanted. This bill since Congress and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin just got nearly three trillion dollars in spending done without any meaningful engagement from him. The administration is focused on three broad planks. According to a source familiar with the planning some sort of infrastructure measure a tax break of some variety and policies that would help bring manufacturing back from China. Republicans both on Capitol Hill and in the White House view aid to state and local governments as leverage point to achieve their policy goals on infrastructure. Gone are the plan for two trillion dollar bill. It's not feasible at the moment but the White House is still interested in a somewhat narrow bill to boost five G. cellular technology and broadband access. This is a potential area of bipartisanship on tax cuts administration is still interested in the payroll tax cut but understands it would be very heavy lift to get it through. Congress one idea the administration has is to delay the collection of payroll taxes administratively and then have congress. Try to do something about it. In the lame duck session and Non China whatever the administration support life include policies to begin inching away from the country. The White House may come out to support one hundred percent expensing if companies bring back the manufacturing of PPE drugs and other critical infrastructure from China. There's also talk trying to lower the corporate tax rate for companies that bring back the manufacturing of generic drugs. The broad overall goal is the administration wants to bring the supply chain for critical infrastructure back from China the administration and Congressional Republicans. Say THEY BELIEVE. They have weeks until they need to begin. Serious Negotiations Bloomberg. News is reporting. The administration is considering taking a financial stake in some oil companies in exchange for loans. The program would be run out of the Fed. The Post also has a look at how trump is considering leveraging alone to force changes at the Postal Service Joe Biden during a fundraiser According to the pool report said Mark My words I think he is going to try to kick back the election. Somehow come up with some rationale white can't be held imagined threatening not to fund the post office now. What in God's name is that about other than trying to let the word out that he's going to do all he can to make it very hard for people to vote. That's the only way. He thinks he can possibly win. The Post has the story governors in states like Georgia and Utah blindsiding frontline staff with abrupt reopening while John Bresnahan and Sarah Fares have a scene setter looking at how house. Republicans didn't wear masks during the vote on the House floor. Yesterday and the culture wars are playing out throughout America over. The Corona virus are also playing out in the House Chamber as that is reporting that trump's poor polling numbers are triggering. Gop alarms about the November election. But instead of focusing on trump's numbers his campaign wants to go scorched earth against Joe Biden hitting him on his relationship with China but our colleagues. Marc Caputo Meredith McGrath. And Anita Kumar Note. That trump actually does tens of millions of dollars the Bank of China and the loan is due soon and the post is reporting that Biden strength with older voters could trump. Cnn is reporting an S. U. Wants Rick Bright to testify before her panel about his removal. Here's his on Taffer. Trump's Friday the president will participate in the signing ceremony for the new corona virus stimulus. Bill at noon he'll receive a NASA COVA briefing at two thirty in the Cabinet Room. The Corona Virus Task Force will hold a briefing at five. Pm subscribed the playbook at politico dot com slash playbook while you do your part to beat grown virus. America's biopharmaceutical companies are busy doing. There's there testing existing medicines developing new treatments and vaccines and collaborating with the CDC FDA and NIH. They're working with doctors and hospitals on over two hundred and thirty five clinical trials and up production to ensure these medicines are available. Get the latest updates at Pharma dot org slash Corona virus because scientists? How we get back to normal.

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Day 1,278: Trump goes without a mask hours after calling wearing one 'patriotic'

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,278: Trump goes without a mask hours after calling wearing one 'patriotic'

"Well once again day twelve, hundred, seventy, eight of the trump administration one hundred six days to go until the presidential election. Tonight we are learning Donald, trump plans to send federal law enforcement to Chicago in the coming days. That's according to the New York Times over the past few days. We've seen these militarized anonymous feds arresting protesters in Portland Oregon. We'll have much more on this story later. Including trump's plans for other cities, trump is also making political calculations and shifting his corona. Corona virus strategy six months now after the virus was first diagnosed in our country, and as the nation continues to shatter records for daily outbreaks, the pandemic has now taken over one hundred, forty, one thousand lives, and as the New York Times reports it quote amid mounting alarm at a huge portion of our country Mr Trump has at times appeared to inhabit. Universe today trump announced that he is bringing back the daily Corona virus task force briefings. He suggested the key to the event which he stopped doing after his last disastrous outing was the ratings. We had very successful briefings I was knowing them and We had a lot of people watching record. Watching a lot of the country is doing well. A lot of people don't say. But? We have had this big flare up in Florida Texas couple of other places. And so I think what we're going to do is get involved, and we'll start doing briefings whether it's this afternoon or tomorrow. Probably tomorrow and I'll do briefings. White House Press Secretary Kaley. mcenaney indeed confirms the briefings will resume tomorrow. What we don't know is whether we will get to hear from task. Force member Dr Anthony Fauci. Who has been relegated to advising our country on podcast and zoom interviews amid White House efforts to discredit him. If they start the briefings. I would imagine I'm going to be part of it at least at them. The other question will these new briefings be anything like the old which? I look at it I it as a in a sense of wartime president, Americans were scared. Say that you're a terrible reporter. Problem is with some people. No matter Waikiki if it's never enough. It's never enough. I want them to be appreciative. Did you know his number one on facebook? And the I found out number one face those very nice. We continue to study the effectiveness of hydroxy, chloroquine and say what do you have to lose? I'll say what do you have to lose? Take it when somebody is the president of the United States the authority is total and then see the disinfectant. Knocks it out in a minute? One Minute and is there a way? We can do something like that. By. Injection inside or. Or almost a cleaning? As, you may recall. That's when the briefings ended after his comments about. Disinfectants and UV light inside the human body, the president who is a longtime personal mask denier, and who has further politicise the issue of mask wearing ever since the CDC, recommended masks back on April third tweeted out a photo of himself today with the on ironic caption. Many people say that it is patriotic to wear a face mask can't socially distance there is nobody more patriotic than me. Your favorite president again vastly different from what we heard. Trump say just a few months ago when mask wearing was recommended at a task force briefing. Sitting in the Oval Office. Beyond that Beautiful Resolute Desk. The Great Resolute Desk I think wearing a face mask. As I great. Presidents Prime Ministers, dictators kings Queens. Somehow. I don't see it for myself. Trump still opposes a national mask mandate. However this morning we also heard his surgeon general Jerome Adams making an emotional appeal for masks, and he made it directly to viewers of Fox News. AM, pleading with your viewers. I'm begging you. Please understand that we not trying to take away your freedoms. When we say where face covering, we're not trying to take away your ability to go out when we say keep restaurant capacity under fifty percent. We're saying if we do these things, we can actually open and stay open. Despite, all of that was during an interview on Fox News Sunday, that trump continued to downplay the threat from this latest surge while evading any responsibility for managing the crisis. We tested have as much as numbers would be down. Many of those cases are young people that would heal in today. They have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. Many of them don't forget I. Guess It's like ninety nine point. Seven percent people are going to get better and in many cases. They're going to get better very quickly. It came from China. They should never let it escape. They should've never let it out, but it is what it is. Actually you know I said it's going to disappear. I'll say it again, but it's going to. Credit I'll be right. Meanwhile. There are promising developments in the search for a vaccine Oxford says it has developed a covert nineteen back seen that is safe and induces an immune reaction. The US government pledged up to one point two billion dollars toward the Oxford effort secured a promise of three hundred million doses by October, the vaccine could move to the next stage of testing within weeks. That development coming as Florida remains. Remains the center of the surge, confirming more than ten thousand new cases of Covid, nineteen, bringing the state's total to over three hundred sixteen, thousand state's largest teacher's Union is now suing governor and ardent trump supporter Ron disentis over his administration's push to fully re-open all public schools next month, even with the relentless spike in cases there and this afternoon. The governor was the target of Hecklers in Orlando. Infected! Ten you. Walk. And it went about like that for governor. In Florida with that, let's welcome in our three leadoff guests on a Monday night without the shouting Phil Rucker Pulitzer Prize, winning White House Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with Carolina The bestselling book, a very stable Genius Shannon, petty piece, a veteran journalist and senior White House reporter for us at NBC News, digital and Dr More Outdoor Clinical Assistant Professor at Arizona, universities, College of Medicine and Phoenix. He also has expertise and how racial inequality and income. Income inequality affect our health and longevity with that good evening and welcome to you. All Shannon I'd like to begin with you. Are we being led to believe that reviving these briefings is not a matter of public health and has more to do with the president's standing our friend to Lou all the RENITA over at Phil Rutgers Newspaper Tonight has a headline that mentions and attempt to revive the re election campaign are these campaign events that touch on public health. Will advisors at least a week or two ago were saying to me that they thought was the best public health approach would be to have the president on the sidelines into lead the messaging to the doctors in the health officials who are more trusted by the public in can deliver a video. More factual assessment of the situation to the public in was supposed to be the strategy president focused on the economy. Stay on the sidelines for the most part Lee Messing up to the doctors in the medical professionals. There has been a counter argument to that though within the White House, Kellyanne, Conway Quite public on, Friday saying that she believes the president needs to be out there that the public wants to hear from him, and she very pointedly said that his approval ratings in full numbers have gone down since he stopped these briefings now a lot of things have happened as well since he stopped these briefings like this enormous surge. We're seeing in Texas in California Florida and other places in the. Massive unrest from these protests have also occurred into the contributed to his numbers, but she was attributed to the end of these breezy, so her and several other people I'm told in the West Wing have been pushing the president to be start talking publicly about Rona virus again because it is hurting his approval of course it. Does stand reason that the president should be talking about the number one issue in the country that is killing thousands of people week up, but from a public health perspective. Yes, the advice had been the pullback on the president and leave it to the experts to deliver the message. Okay, Doctor, it falls to you to give us what we're not getting from the White House and to put the public in public health. Start with locally. How dire is the situation in your state of Arizona tonight? By thanks for having me back, you know since the time I was last on with you are positively. Rate is still the highest in the country, not to quote the president, but if you do feel tests, you'll have fewer cases. And some of that is indeed reflected in the numbers, but if you look at the percent of tests that come back positive, there are still the highest in the country which means is very widespread in the community so much so that there are multiple doctors now getting sick I was supposed to be off the next couple of days, but I'm covering for a colleague who just contracted covid? Just thirty minutes ago I, speaking to my best friend, Phoenix was a urologist. He has multiple colleagues who are not just sick with Kobe, but hospitalized. You've got surgeons were hospitalized with Kobe. So as you can imagine, we've got the best PPA. Rock right where doctors and even we can get sick so as you can imagine. It's very widespread in a community. And it's concerning which way it's headed. Doctor I insist we are optimistic people by nature. But how high should we let our hopes get about this report of a vaccine? My incorrect that the the average time for a vaccine roll out. That's considered fast in the modern era is closer to four years than a couple of months. At least four years I would say usually takes multiple years to get a vaccine out and listen. We're all optimistic I'm a researcher like to see what the data show and and I'm glad people are working on it, but a vaccine isn't a cure. All as you know, and as your viewers know, we have a flu shots as well, but that doesn't mean people don't still get the flu. Vaccine quickly I'm glad we're working on it but at the same time it's not foolproof. people can still probably get sick and I don't want. People so focused on the treatment without thinking about prevention. Remember the best treatment for Kobe is just not getting it and we actually have a blockbuster drug for that. Believe it or not. It's called masks, but not perfect, but they're. They're extremely effective way better than any drug. We have A. we just need to use it i. mean if the President's GonNa. Talk about how it's patriotic. Listen a couple of days ago I said after nine eleven. We put up flags. We all had him pinned to our jackets. We'll have them in our houses. As a show of solidarity flat, probably save many lives directly masks. said the very least people as a sign of solidarity. Even if you don't believe they don't worry if you'll believe, they work which they do at least a sign of solidarity, please mask. Well, put Dr That's exactly why we needed to hear from you again right about now. Hey Phil Rucker. Is there any reporting that? We're going to hear any expertise at this? Briefing tomorrow because one assumes looking at past practice that we're going to hear Mike Pence. Thank Donald Trump for his leadership. What we hear that a lot. Brian, but there's no clarity yet from the White House about what the stagecraft will be like tomorrow at the first of what we assume our GONNA be regular of re things featuring the president, it has been bill old just in the last few minutes, the daily scheduled at the White House put out as a news conference by the president as opposed to a daily Corona virus briefing, which is what they were called before now remember these briefings all through this spring, polluted Dr. Dr Deborah burks white. House Corona Virus Coordinator oftentimes the CDC Director. was there the FDA administrator as well? But. It's unclear whether tomorrow we're going to only see the president or whether we're going to see the full array of government experts, and I would pay close attention to doctor actually because the last few weeks there been a great deal of tension between him and the White House and the president himself in a number of public appearances including Chris Wallace interview on Fox News Sunday was critical of Dr Factually and pointed out instances where he thought Dr Patchy had poor judgment than what's wrong, so it'll be interesting to see whether out she is invited to the lectern, joined the president tomorrow, or frankly in any of these future, ask first briefing. Doctor I got another one for you. I'm going to play you some audio. This is Mike Parson the governor of the State of Missouri. We'll talk about his comments when it's over. These kids have got to get back to school. There are the lowest risk possible, and if they do get covert nineteen, which they will, and they will when they go to school, they're not going to the hospitals. They're not going to have to set and doctors officer days. To go home and they're going to get over it. Dr No. One needs to remind you kids go home. Parents and sometimes grandparents are home. Kids interact with teachers who go home to their own family members. What is the governor talking about here? What could he possibly be advising as a human cost to return to school? which everyone desperately needs and once? I was hoping you wouldn't ask him about the governor, because really riles me up. Listen these kids don't live in a bubble V. They go to school. They don't teach themselves. Teachers have to teach them, and they go home and live with the parents, and actually I think a lot of forgetting that a lot of people are actually impoverished to believe it or not in the United States of America and they live in multi generation. All in one small house, so they come home. The kids will come home, and even if they will get necessarily very sick, and it's true out grant that kids on average don't get super sick there definitely carriers anybody who's had a kit knows that kids past diseases to their siblings parents not about grandparents who are getting it imagine how sick they will get in the state of Arizona, the elderly, if the contract cova a twelve percent mortality I. Don't you bought you? Brian but if I tell you about twelve percent chance of dying. I don't think you'd be happy with that. And so there are ways of doing school safely distancing in classrooms. If you have extra buses for the kids, if you can protect the family members, a lot of that requires funding. I know it's a crazy thought, but we need to find education in Arizona right now. We Ain't fifty first for teacher student ratios and teach funding the only fifty states in our country evenings so in DC, we still rank last miraculously going to somehow come up with funding to be able to have students pistons and be able to keep them away from the elderly grandparents. I just have a little bit skeptical Ms. One is mildly I can put it. Shannon. The Doctors Passion reminds me of a question. I want to you. A headline I had to read twice. Is there truly still an effort to cut funding for testing in the next, relief bill. Well, that was something. The administration has discussed now. oftentimes there are things that are threatened or the the White House tries to put out there to be able to use leverage or bargaining chip to other things that they want A. We know the main priorities at the white. House wants to see this next stimulus bill is a payroll tax deduction. They are wavering whether or not they want to extend the six hundred dollar, unemployment, benefit or some other benefit because they think he blocked. of is to go back to work if they're getting. Getting six hundred dollar, the WHO mental unemployment payment and they want, liability, protection or business, so they can't get sued if someone elections. They got corona virus while they were there on the testing front. Yes, administration officials had been telling members of Congress that it was a big question about how much if any money they wanted to see, additionally put a towards testing, enforcing ministration has also the president directly has threatened to all money from schools of coursework grapple with all his additional costs, talking about pulling money rather than giving money to schools. If, they don't reopen involve. is going to be an ugly battle on the hill over the next couple weeks. This is going to be a real heavy last. It I mean they're going to have to get there. Somehow because the country needs this but I think this is going to be one of the more challenging things we see Congress. Take on maybe this term. Phil Rucker here's Ari Fleischer of forty-three White House press secretary fame tonight on Fox News. Until he gets a handle on cove it. It's GonNa be very hard for him to define Joe. Biden sorry to say it. So Phil we go into tomorrow. Is it possible that the president read the weekend pieces in your newspaper? The New York Times where Republicans are starting to stick their heads up to see if it's safe if they're going to be God, forbid tweeted about, and they're starting to ask for more information. Public Health more briefings. Is it possible the president assumed that meant they wanted him. That's entirely possible. Look, the president views himself as his own best advocate, his own best communicator strategists, you name it lawyer and he knows he's in trouble. He knows he's behind any old. He's losing a needs to do something, but try to turn this campaign around, and so he's going to try to do it himself. He can't imagine having somebody else up there at electron doing it for him. It's gotta be his own show. Dr Morteza actor. Thank you for your passion. Phil Rucker Shannon Petty, peace, thank you for your reporting. We greatly appreciate it tonight. GANG COMING UP FOR US ten thousand new corona virus cases a day. Suddenly, the State of Texas is in big trouble. We'll talk to a former US Army Cova. Planner who confirms indeed the Lone Star State is in trouble and later militarized camouflaged anonymous, seemingly unaccountable, and they're feds on the streets, of Portland, Oregon and there may be more on the way to a city near you. All of it as the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this Monday night as we start a new week. Hey It's Chris as this week of my podcast. Wise is happening. I'll be talking with political campaign veteran, Luke, as also my brother about what it's like to be running campaigns. In this moment there's a frustration out there with the American electorate and just American general like things are not going well, and the response to them is underwhelming so I think there's a predisposition to being like. Why is this also Har-? Why are these things not working the way they should be working, and that's only compounded over the last few years for some of them. It's like they lost their job. In the great recession, they lost their pension. Pension and like these people that quote unquote played by the rules, they just got screwed on the mortgage job screwed on their pension. I voted for this guy, and my life didn't material change all that much I think people are just frustrated with the system of not addressing the needs that this week on wise is happening search for wisest happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe introducing peacock, the new free streaming service NBC Universal. It's hit movies. Current shows live sports, trending bits and timeless hits, and that's why you can't not watch Wasser free upgrade from one stream now at peacock tv.com law and order svu streaming now. In the Great State of Texas Navy. Medical teams are now being deployed to try to help hospital struggling with the surgeon cases. We know enough by now to know this happens. We've seen it before. We turned to the military when civilians including doctors and nurses become overwhelmed. Over the past several days, Texas has reported about ten thousand new confirmed cases a day. Our next guest served as Cova nineteen crisis planner for the army as part of the Northern Command the now retired. Lieutenant Colonel Chris Alexander Warns this health crisis coupled with another natural disaster could be devastating for states like Texas writing quote. A hurricane in the middle of a pandemic was very much on. On our minds at North Com, we started calling at the Cova Cain, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is calling for an above average Atlantic, hurricane season this year with a possibility of nineteen named storms. Let's hope they're wrong for more. We welcome to the broadcast. The aforementioned Chris Alexander retired, US Army, lieutenant colonel is now a contributor as you might have seen their to the daily beast. Thank you very much for coming on. Let's talk about this. Potentially toxic brew a way, imperfect storm of a hurricane in the middle of Corona virus based on what we know happens during hurricanes last minute evacuations, shelters and volunteers and paid first responders all coming together. Yeah well, thank thanks for having me and thanks for giving the opportunity to talk about this issue and really I mean it is. It's kind is the worst case scenario the that we would have a hurricane in the middle of the pandemic, and we had hoped assumption was that the near the curve in the case be flattened as we entered her in the hurricane season, and that's not been the case, so what what we saw was. There's a lot of vulnerability and how our response system works, and if you look at the two thousand seventeen hurricane season when we got a one two punch, you know from Harvey and Irma in almost two hundred billion dollars in damage. That's be something would stretch the system. And we're really concerned. One of the things we're really concerned about. Was the volunteer community and they do amazing things. So you know they, they feed people that shelter people take care of people, and they do out of the kindness of their hearts, but if you talk to the volunteer organizations at the national level. You know. They are their demographics. The most vulnerable demographics most of them are in their sixty S, and those are the PTR precisely the people. That are most at risk for Cogan, so it could be a real problem. And if you look at places like South Texas and are really having A. Big problems and you know it might be really hard to recover from Hurricane. And Lieutenant Colonel Thank you for mentioning the first responders, and what happens during these storms as you were talking, we were looking at some very familiar. Pictures think about a shelter. Let's say a poor folks live. In a submerged area, the virus loves people in close proximity on the floor on cots. Sharing the same airspace think about active duty military who need to respond the virus loves their living conditions they live and work in close proximity and even worse, the guard and ready reserve. They do all of that before going back home to their lives and families. Yeah I mean in, it's not like it's not like the emergency response. Community in the disaster prepares. Community hasn't been thinking about this, so I I've heard from colleagues in Texas. In his, they planned a dave amended. Their plans have exercised in and I'll tell you I think. Texas is really set up as a kind of a second to non. Asian but you know precisely what you described I mean if you're evacuating. A large metropolitan area like Houston or a geographically isolated area like the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, it's GonNa. Be Hard to have shelters that aren't exactly what you're talking about. Highschool gems convention centers where people are in close proximity to one another, and if you you know you, bring you know response elements from inland You know there's a chance that they could bring it back home and what I wrote about my article. Let's say you deploy. On active duty force from somewhere like for Carson. You know and and I am in the middle of moving from Colorado Springs where I was stationed on taxes and. If you look at it, you bring him here. You know Colorado's doing pretty well, but if you had to send people into a hurricane zone were the spread is pretty big and brought them back home. There's a risk and it could be mitigated in the north thinks about things like that of them bringing it back home than causing spikes elsewhere in the country. None of US happen vacuum. Just because it's you're not in a hurricanes own doesn't mean it doesn't affect you because there's a chance that responders and volunteers and soldiers and and. People could come from over and then come home. Sincere thanks for years of service and sincere thanks for ringing the bell and writing the article you did, and for coming on our broadcast retired Lieutenant Colonel Chris Alexander. Thank you very much coming up our friend. Steve Schmidt calls them. Federal stormtroopers and Jack booted thugs. The president's suggests the militarize show of force in Portland Oregon could be coming soon near you a former four-star. US Army general on what some local lawmakers warn is unwarranted military invasion by these guys when we come back. More federal law enforcement that I can tell you portland. They've done a fantastic job. They've been there three days. and. They really have done a fantastic job in a very short period of time, no problem. They grab a lot of people in jail. They leaders these are America's. These are not protestors. The police are afraid to do anything I'm going to do something that I can tell you because we're not going to New York and Chicago Philadelphia Detroit. And Baltimore. And all of these Oakland is a mess. We're not GonNa let this happen in our country all run by Liberal Democrats. So there was the president today threatening to send federal law enforcement to more cities to deal with black slide at black lives matter protests and make no mistake here. We say federal law enforcement. That's the polite term. We mean militarized, anonymous, apparently autonomous camouflaged pseudo secret police in unmarked vehicles. This is a new thing for our country. Certainly a new look on our streets Chicago Tribune Reporting Today Department of Homeland Security. Making plans to deploy some one hundred fifty agents in quotes to Chicago this week with the scope of duty unknown. The mayor said they are. Are Not welcomed the move comes in the wake of another violent weekend. In Portland, unidentified federal agents clashed with protesters among them. We want to show you this navy veteran Chris David. He was drawn to the protests by the disturbing images he'd seen on TV. That's him there wearing a white sweatshirt approaching federal agents in an effort to talk to them about their role. Instead he is beaten with a baton by a fellow citizen, unmarked of course, and then doused at point blank range with pepper spray. He talked about his experience on this very network tonight. Thing that was so upsetting was that there didn't seem to be any recognition. That has a veteran. I was going to be listened to were treated any differently than anybody else, and that sort of makes sense. Because if they're going to gas MOMS, they're going to beat up Basque. Portland's mayor is demanding. The federal authorities be removed from his city back with us again tonight I, retired four-star US Army General Barry McCaffrey decorated combat veteran of Vietnam and former battlefield commander in the Persian Gulf former head of southern command where they were allowed to wear cammo former US, drug czar general I gotta read this from General Honore. Russel Honore makes this tweeted this late last week. Make note we need to forbid police on federal agents from using military uniforms. The KOMO uniforms are meant to blended the terrain. They WANNA be. Warriors should be in full police uniforms the. Warriors forgiving should be in full police uniforms with names and badge numbers. This secret police S is misuse, says the Department of Homeland Security General I've been waiting to talk to you because if we saw this in the Chile of Gustavo Pinochet we think well. It's a military junta jumping out of an unmarked van in the streets of city. This is the United States of America first of all. What's with the CAMMO second of all? What's their chain of command? Do you think? Well, look, this is troubling situation There's no question. Portland been in chaos for almost two months now, and by the way, the state of Oregon has sixty seven hundred law enforcement officers. Eight thousand, some odd National Guard, so they've got adequate manpower and Resources, daily problems, but as you know. Brian, our Constitution essentially has the overwhelming majority of criminal law enforcement at state, county municipal level an asset to their to do that and I think what we're seeing now is Mr Trump has taken the Department of Homeland. Security with his fifth director, an acting director and has created a national police there turning it into a ministry of the currier. Frank Gendarmerie or deploying people in camouflage uniforms instead of in. Big numbers and it's not just to protect federal property. So we got to step back and think about this. You know that was. Department home security. Two hundred forty thousand people, gigantic agency was formed primarily for natural disasters and Andy. Terrorism not to conduct any criminal operations industry American city so this outrage. Year former Persian Gulf colleague retired general Mark Mark Hurtling has written a piece today about why when they were trading up police in places like Iraq, they didn't want them wearing camouflage and I know it goes against a military standards on all that ear used to to have just the word police, no markings, no badging, no identification, no names. will if I have craned governor time I've heard. Troops apply to this group. What we better to disparate? Of Federal law enforcement officers I don't believe they're adequately trained as a group to conduct a protective measures on federal property. Never mind anti riot duties. But mark early makes a good point. When we're advising foreign governments, we tell them do not create an internal police force that either looks like a secret police violates the rights of its citizens or looks like an on army, though they're just absolutely no reason to have these very intimidating Marshall present on the streets never mind one that doesn't appear to be responsive to the governor, the mayor and the local police force should not way America works. How about a navy veteran in a Hoodie, unarmed getting whacked by fellow citizen and pepper sprayed for approaching the police line. Well. There is no adequate chain of command, no sense of federal law, but if you're an FBI agent, people are civil. They're law-abiding. Their investigators of the federal marshals service is a general statement is charged with guarding courthouses normally. They're very professional on fourth majority I don't know where these people are coming from. It's a SWAT team for. Cautioned Border Protection sometimes, apparently, it's been bureau of Prisons. No Patches. No markings on their uniforms. Congress has gotta get a control on this I oppose Department of Homeland Security when it was first. Being set up. It was an organizational fix too bad leadership problem. Now is put together and it's starting to act like a national police force. This is not what the American people want. They want law enforcement to obey the elected sheriff, the police chief and the state police under control the governor. Strong words we will remember an apply to our coverage, and when we next have you on, let's talk about your idea for renaming army bases around this country retired four-star. General Barry McCaffrey. Thank you very much for having. Send tonight general coming up for us. This year has been a tough one each day as difficult as the one before for just about all of us in a moment, a Pulitzer Prize winner from the New York Times here to tell us that just might actually be a good thing. He'll explained. Only one thing he has in mind. How does he win reelection and it doesn't matter how many people get covert and or die from Cova. Joe Biden with our own joy. Reid tonight is she debuted her new broadcast talking about the president's priorities. Grapples with a confluence of crises. And yet in his latest New York Times, column our friend Nicholas. KRISTOF writes this quote. Perhaps today's national pain, fear and loss can also be a source of hope we may be so desperate our failures so manifest our grief so raw that the US can once more as during the great depression embrace long-needed changes that would have been impossible in cheerier times back with us again tonight. Nicholas Kristof, author. Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the New York Times Nick. Thanks so much for coming on and thank you for writing this and at least trying to get out there and make good news allowable. I'm going to sit back and have you talk about what good and how good can come of this? Sure well I mean it's obviously incongruous to talk about how when we see one hundred and forty thousand people dead from the coronavirus. We saved this level of of racial equity. We see the economy in this situation only one of six American, says he, or she is proud of the country, but in many ways it is precisely because things are so mad offensively off the rails. That does I think an opportunity to help. Fix some of the problems that we've addressed and I think that you know if the Great Depression had been merely a recession. Recession then FDR might not have been elected. He might not have carried. The Senate might flip the Senate in nineteen, thirty two. We might not have had a great deal. And in this case I think because president trump has so discredited the whole GOP has so discredited the conservative approach to so many of these policy issues that we may finally have a chance to move a little more on the track of Canada Europe, and and get things like a national health care plan like paid sick leave of Leica program to address child, poverty, and so on. It wasn't that long ago. You wrote that this president should wear a mask to show patriotism, so we thought of you today. When he tweeted the picture of him in a mass taken at Walter Reed with the on ironic caption about how it shows patriotism, I was stunned at the kind of. comically normalized. Coverage in most of the news media tonight. Who have yet to find a way? To change kind of boilerplate, here's how we've always covered presidents and spoken about them false equivalent coverage, but that aside. Your reaction to what you saw from him today. One of the things we've learned from public health over the decades from AIDS from TV from the flu is the importance of Communications and ordnance of Communications and of president, modeling behavior, and of course president trump precisely modeled the wrong behavior resisting masks, so it is great that he is of belatedly doing this now, and encouraging his followers to wear masks, but I just think how many lives could have been saved if he had done this you know back in March or even early April and but you know that too I. Think is an element of the degree to which. He is seen as the emperor has no clothes and I think that and hope that that will. Come to pass in. We will see the results of that. In in November in ways will create a mandate for far-reaching change to address not just covid, but so many of the other issues that have left the US off-track. Nick, KRISTOF, Oprah offering hope to the subjects of the unclothed emperor, as it were nick. Thank you always a pleasure to have you stop by our broadcast. Thanks for having US in coming up for us the fatal attack in the dark of night on the family of a federal judge in this country and the motion disturbed lawyer. Believed to be the government, it is an extraordinary story. We'll have it for you when we come back. There are just under eighteen hundred federal judges in our country. They're important powerful members of our society there appointed to the bench for life last night, a gunman dressed as delivery man went to the home of a federal judge in a residential neighborhood in New Jersey and started firing killing the Judges College Age, son, critically wounding her husband. The judge was fine today. That's suspected gunman was found dead of a suspected suicide. Our report on all of it tonight from NBC News Correspondent Domes? They are legal power couple federal judge, Esther Solace and her criminal defense attorney husband, Mark Andrew, their domestic life, shattered late Sunday afternoon law enforcement sources say a gunman dressed deliveryman man shot mark. He answered the door, and then killed their only child Daniel as he tried to help his father such people. Always so proud of their son Daniel a twenty year old student at Catholic University wanted to follow in his parents. Footsteps Salis Trailblazer new. Jersey's first Latina US District Court judge nominated in two thousand ten by then President Barack Obama this family was tight family. There's just close luffing doting parents presiding over the fraud trial of real housewives star, Teresa giudice and her husband Joe and a lawsuit brought against Bank for failing to monitor high risk clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein her husband a well known figure in their town of North. Brunswick says Mayor Mac Womack didn't mark have enemies marks a criminal defense attorney, and before that he was a prosecutor at the Essex County. Prosecutor's office and I don't think you can be at prosecutor in do your job, and at least not have some people who don't like you this shocking crime taking another bizarre turn today more than sixty miles from here in rural New York their law. Enforcement officials say they found the body of the suspect attorney. Roy Den Hollander dead of an apparent self, inflicted gunshot Hollander a New York lawyer, well known for its anti-feminist agenda ON MSNBC in two thousand ten, discussing his lawsuit, challenging the legality of ladies nights bar. For Free, we however had to pay twenty dollars calling Salis in his book, a lazy and Incompetent Latina judge appointed by Obama. He is also a suspect in the shooting of a California lawyer July eleventh the judges family now in mourning her son dead, and her husband hospitalized, recovering from gunshot, wounds and Thompson NBC News North Brunswick New Jersey. And coming up for US WHAT BLEED! People of a certain age were watching fifty one years ago tonight when we come right back. Not long after he tweeted out, that masks were patriotic. We got this video that trump's hotel in Washington you see him with a bunch of luminaries. There's meadows and Rudy and Lindsey. No masks, no problem. The president, socializing his aides socializing at this gathering tonight in DC so that happened. The last thing before we go tonight. If you're not on twitter, bless you real good. You're probably live longer than the rest of us, but if you are on twitter, there is a good place a quiet place to learn and remember, and it's the twitter feed of the always elegant historian and Michael Beschloss who every day publishes archival photographs of historic people, places and things usually key to that day that day's newsmakers, anniversaries and today that meant one thing. The fifty first anniversary of the Apollo eleven moon landing, which we will remember here using just the photos. Our friend Michael has posted and on that night over a half. Half Century ago, our nation was great. We were the wonder and envy of the world. People really did gather in places like central park to watch the grainy black and white TV pictures on big screens. The New York Times headline really was bigger than any other in our lifetime. How about the big smile on the taciturn unflappable man from Ohio Neil Armstrong? That's what joy looks like when you've been up for a couple of days, and you're just back inside from the first moonwalk. Michael shows US Nixon's phone call to the Moon from the Oval Office even the period Green Desk phone from the Oval Office that Nixon used. The world really did feel as one on that night. Everyone watching us where we had gone. Several people remarked today. We can't fly to Europe these days. The Bahamas won't accept Americans because they're smart. Enough to live in paradise after all know, go into. The Moon seems like the impossible dream on this particular. July night in the year twenty twenty. We let our guard down. We didn't choose greatness this time in plain English. We can't go anywhere and we are stuck here with each other until we figure a way out of this, but fifty one years ago tonight it was different. That is our Monday broadcast as we start yet another new week together. Thank you so very much for being here with us. 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"Good afternoon from New York. I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd cast today. The Senate continues. Its impeachment hearings. We're GONNA have opening. Statements finally getting underway to house impeachment managers essentially with about seven eight hours per day for the next three days telling their stories of what they believe. The president did illegally and why they believe he should be ousted from office but in the business. I'm calling this. PODCAST is what we call a little bit of counter programming You might remember. There's this thing called. The Iowa caucuses. They are less than two weeks away. So we're going all in on on Iowa if you want impeachment news. That's my buddy Kornacki. He's got a wonderful article to podcasts. Go listen to it if you want Iowa listen to this one my guest Jeff Link. He's he's doing something unusual this year. He's not working. For a presidential candidates a longtime democratic strategist and Iowa and he is actually fronting a a nonprofit if it group that is trying to bring attention to rural America. It's called focus on rural America. They did some polling to the most recent poll that is out there. Jeff Link knows a lot about first first and second choice while that matters and he believes his poll later in the show. I'll be joined by Phil Rucker in Carolina there the authors of the new book. That's gotten the president's attention it's called a very stable. Genius Richly reported well source book with a lot of new detail about the president's behavior office. And what those around him did or did did not do but first jeff link. I think he's a little hesitant. Probably being so public on here I think he thinks his poll slightly better than than and sellers. But find out out we're GONNA find out well and gets high grades. There's no doubt about it. That's right. You're a new student. Good luck excellent. We'll check thanks. It's really good to be with Hugh and We're looking forward to having you out or you hide out I I. I'm hoping to be there more than just a night. it is it is All of that's up in the air for all of us Me and I'm going to have a team of people there. I'm a lot of it. Depends on where we are in the Senate trial and where duty calls on on that front. But it's It's let me ask you this. How far less than two weeks away? How much has the impeachment trial trial? been like a wet blanket on Iowa I. I don't think it's been that much of a wet blanket. I I I honestly don't think people are tracking the impeachment impeachment. Trial Minute by minute. I people here. No it's going on but You know honestly whether below zero the last three days. That was more of of a topic of conversation than the impeachment trial largely. Because I think people believe McConnell has put the fix in on this and it's just a matter of how long it's it's GonNa take before McConnell does what he wants to do anyway It's unfortunate for the senators that that are stuck in DC and are able to campaign out here in New Hampshire But I I don't think people are really kind of on the edge of their seats with this one all right Not You and I have. I've I've been a source on multiple caucuses I we've been through four or five of these competitive Democratic caucuses in one way or the other Compare this one to eight four in two thousand and sort of you know I. I think this feels more like oh four than any of the others in in sort of the last couple of decades. But you tell me Yeah I swell and I'm old enough to remember eight. I started Working on the first Joe Biden for president right about eight hundred eighty eight or eighty four very similar so yes. I'm glad you brought up eighty. Yeah I think bigger field so I think it feels like Like eight in. Oh four in in eight. There were a lot of candidates but essentially at this point. It was all about Obama Obama and Clinton and Edwards. Let's not forget it was a genuine three way race. Yes it was. It was but this is different because you know we have Ford five way race. You think there's four four different potential winter or not and I do I think it is just as plausible for any of the top four to win and as it is for any of the top four to get fourth. How about fifth and is in his at behind? uncommitted or behind me Well you know we. We asked in our poll whether if your first choice was not viable meaning not at fifteen percent of the people that attend your precinct What will you do will you Caucus for somebody else we go uncommitted stay uncommitted or will you go home and Seventeen percent said they would stay uncommitted committed and that means that we could have a number of precincts that elect a delegate to the county convention as uncommitted. Well it's not the uncommitted as one one before people forget Jimmy never won the Ivankov. That's right. He finished second right He did what the new rules on. UNCOMMITTED I WANNA fill people in unlike previous years. You could sit on committed when you got to your precinct. And if they even whether whether the uncommitted grouping made threshold of fifteen percent or not and you could still leave it this time. The rules indicate that uncommitted treated like a candidate. And if you hit fifteen thresholds been made and you can't lose support. Yeah Yeah it's it's a big change And I- in any group. If you're if you're with a candidate who's viable you can't move and you know in the past If you were say you were with the with the candidate with the most people in your caucus sometimes you would send Some of your group Group To another campaign so that they could get a delegate Right to keep your your opponent the most dangerous opponent from getting the extra trudell at you. You send people to somebody else and that sort of gamesmanship is gonNA be Either more limited or it's going to be a little trickier to execute cute. Let me. Let's go through things a little bit here. The top four candidates who's who of those four who's got the the the least amount of statewide coverage if you get my drift right. I my guess. Is that both Bernie and Biden have wide support support. Meaning they'll probably be make threshold in the most precincts. Is that a fair assessment. Or Am I over looking Warren here. A little bit I think Nick Warren probably makes threshold in in most precincts as well and Pete is a little uneven I gotta I I think all four make threshold in a lot of places you know. There's you think that fifteen is a hard floor even for Warren I look. I'll be honest I have. It feels like warns bleeding support. Well but remember. She had the strongest organization the earliest they have been everywhere. They have strong relationships. CBS throughout the state with their precinct captains and with their organization. So I remember being told that about Dick Gephardt two thousand four. How did that work out? Well I I would. I would put the Warren Organization up against the Gephardt Organization in. Oh four Any Day of the week They they really have done a nice job. And you gotTa give them credit had it for that And so I think that's that's kind of sustained her even though she was down in our poll from where she was in September. She's still in second place she's she's still above viability I think I think she's GonNa be a factor Amy Yang Star. Yup I assume amy has basically her strength is probably I assume north. You know the closer to Minnesota a stronger she gets. I think so and I think she'll do pretty well in western Iowa. Okay spent more time there than most right. She's done the floods she she made. Yeah upstairs she she made a big deal out of being. Hey this is like the iron range. Yeah that's right. And she did the ninety nine counties so she's she's been everywhere where although she hit like twenty seven counties in two or three days in December so everybody knows that trick. Yeah okay that graphic but I I gotta tell you I was. I was having coffee with somebody. This morning. who is expected to be a warrant supporter in she said. Yep I think I'M GONNA end up with with closure I think I think club could Have a good night on On Caucus night to mourn register endorsement. You know newspaper. Endorsements mean less and less all the time per democratic primary voters in certain communities still care about certain newspaper endorsements and is that still the case with the register You know the registers GonNa have an impact in centralized. I think it state-wide imprimature is is not what it once was. I mean you know back in the eighty eight cycle or Ninety two or two thousand I think thank statewide. It had more of an impact didn't really help Edwards and four. I mean Edwards basically went from fifth to second and I think it was a surprise. Yeah when when it's when it's news I don't think they're going to endorse two candidates. I bet they pick one But I think It'll be interesting to see I. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick KLOBUCHAR or if they pick budget I had somebody. That's what I keep hearing is that it's down to those two somebody tell me that it really depends ultimately what the editorial page team thinks their mandate is meaning. Are they there to protect Iowa's place in the process. And if that's that's the case that's one type of candidate and if they're there to represent mid Westerners then that's perhaps another rationale for who they pick pick like it of it as someone said to me who's been through the process with the editorial going through the interview it's clear saving preserving Iowa's status as an important first state matters a lot to the editorial board and that will have some impact on who they pick. Well it'll be interesting to see what their rationale is You know I think the register editorial board will be in a similar position to a lot of Iowans right now. And that is the really conflicted. what we saw in our poll Five or six candidates. Seven candidates have extremely high favorables You Know Net plus sixty plus sixty five The Iowans like this field and I think that's part the reason why they're having such a hard time settling on a candidate. is because that they're satisfied with the field they like what what Each of these candidates is saying A and and how they're representing themselves and I think that's why the reason that they're satisfied with the field or they like all these candidates but they haven't been convinced either one any the Mar- the are the answer to be trump. Well certainly the the premium is is if someone could look in the mirror and say oh well this is the candidate that can beat trump in November. That candidate would win by twenty points And and we don't know exactly. Who is the best candidate wanted to take on trump? But I do I mean you cannot have favorables that are plus sixty for everybody and say that they're not satisfied with this field. That's a fair are point. So Bernie and Biden are feuding now over or having what I would call an old fashioned Democratic primary fight Manufactured action debate about social security benefit. Right I mean. I'm sorry I've just like my God nineteen ninety-two Call Bill. Clinton Paul Songas went there debate topic back. I look to me as a reminder that even though people thought Bernie and Warren shared supporters. I had plenty of people. Always tell me maintenant. In and out Bernie and Biden share more first and second and always have because of their because of the older more traditional Democratic voters that I don't know about that I think I just think the sanders base is so much younger longer than the Biden base That's why don't think there's as much overlap. He's looking for somebody because it's his numbers went down the day Biden got in because there was a whole bunch which of older Democrats who had just were sitting in burning that. That's the that's that's one explanation. I've got yeah I don't know I don't know about that. I mean you know the interesting. The thing is I I think Biden will be strong. You know throughout the rural parts of the state but remember Bernie one almost all of Western Iowa in two thousand sixteen In part because he advertised in that Omaha media market and Secretary Clinton did not But it was remarkable. How many any western Iowa states Bernie Sanders one in twenty sixty over performed in all rural but that was the same way hillary over performed in rural Markets Against Obama. I wonder if we're over reading that a little bit. I mean Bernie Bernie seemed to benefit from the same thing Hillary benefited from from an OA against Obama. No well it benefited in terms of running against the establishment. Well a little in that. Look when Obama became the front runner and all of a sudden Hillary's winning the West Virginia Primary and the Kentucky Primary and doing well in an Arkansas. Right See Z.. And my point is is that when Hillary started becoming the front runner all of a sudden. It's Bernie over performing in West Virginia and again sake and doing well in. Your Idaho caucuses caucuses and things like that. And I guess the question I have is. What was Bernie's western Iowa support for years ago was an anti? Hillary was a pro burning. I think it was a combination. I that's that's why he was at forty eight four years ago and he said twenty four twenty five or twenty something in that range now I think half of his support support our is just ardent Bernie fans and about half of his support last time was anti Hillary. So what do you make of this fight over. Social Security is just just Bernie looking for a way to to to just try to kill Biden. Now well I think he doesn't WanNa have a fight with Warren I. I don't think that helped him in the debate. That certainly in our poll It it didn't really help him or Senator Warren in that debate So I think he wanted to sort of turn the page and talk about something different Better in a fight with Biden and try to see if the warned stuff fades. Yeah and I think just kinda reestablish that that he's GonNa take on the establishment and Biden represents the establishment right. Now I I told you. Six months ago and in the final ten days the following was gonNA take place for Joe Biden. Two of his top four opponents would be taken off the trail and the president of the United States would get himself impeached in his obsession with trying to prevent Biden from getting the nomination and we are now in the middle of set impeachment. His opponents are off the trail. If Biden camp finished first or second Ioannou does he deserves the nomination. Well L. I think he's in a strong position and we were talking about this as as badly as trump wants to To Take Biden out wrote and obviously he went to great lengths with the with the president of Ukraine and in a variety of other ways To to try and dig up dirt on on Biden Obviously that's that's the subject of this whole impeachment I think everything that he's done to try and take down. Biden has built Biden up. I think what trump is doing is reminding Democrats that trump is most concerned about biden. And that is why Biden has been remarkably Tripoli resilient throughout this entire year again. We talked about this before people are trying to figure out who is the best candidate to take on. Trump and trump is telling Bellingham Biden. Because I don't want to run against this guy Even the doesn't that benefit them more though you know at the start of this podcast you said something. Well if voters could could know for sure who who was the best candidate to go to beat trump that candidate would win by twenty. Donald Trump is is shouting from the rooftops. I don't want to face Joe Biden. and He's not up by twenty. Why is that well? You never know when to believe trump like every day is a is a trail of lies like my rule on trump is. Don't listen to what he says watch what he does. His actions have been paranoia paranoid over Biden. Yeah he seems very paranoid over Biden. Here's the last Point on on Biden In trump. You know who knows what his motivation was for taking action against the Irani General But we we did ask Iowans you know now which of the candidates regardless of who you're supporting which of the candidates is best equipped to handle the US relations with Iran and other global hot spots and Biden was chosen by forty six percent of caucus tenders. The next closest was fourteen and I just think that's a huge advantage for Biden and puts him in that that's why I think he's in a strong position here in the final We can have people got twelve hundred people to show in Cedar rapids last night. You impressed yes. Yeah the crowd sees generating are pretty remarkable. I think getting a thousand people in town like Takura is even more impressive than twelve hundred cedar rapids. But you know to to get crowds. That size is that there's something there and you can't discount in the buttigieg organization I would say Rivals the Warren Organization. Most of the young. It's most they've got probably more Obama veterans than anybody right in fairness seems like it. Yeah Yeah And he's going to be really strong in the suburbs and I think the suburbs are continuing to be more important in terms of delegate allocation than they've ever been. Do you think soft suburban Democrats are GONNA show up this time because they don't come to the caucuses right right Well but as you know the the delegate allocation is set two years in advance based on the the Democratic primary for Governor Governor and they see they came out for Fred Hubble And so they're they're going to have a more weight than they've had in previous caucuses Regardless artless how many people show up on on caucus night just because of the way the delegate allocation works now. Of course we haven't talked about the fact that that I I I would Democrat Party and even I you know why because I'm the one who has to explain this to the to the audience when five hundred two different people claim victory in Iowa or three different people three. Look I was GONNA ask the question this way. Would it be a bigger upset if the same person leads both categories. I mean I this point. I think I'll be shocked if there isn't one person who had more people show up and one person who won more delegates well because of this rule change that we talked about before where you can't move if if you're viable yeah I think that the raw number on realignment and the state delegate equivalent will be the same the order will be you think the order will be the correct. Yes I there could be reminded Wayne or two but within reason yes and I think there could be a discrepancy between the initial raw vote and and the final results just based on the process but You know because Biden may not be ahead in the initial raw vote. But he's he's the number one second second choice according to our poll so if he gets more people to to come to his side after their candidates not viable on that first division of you know that that could be a discrepancy. But I don't expect a discrepancy between the second raw vote and the state delegate equivalent before he dropped out. I know. The booker team was in talks with both Yang and club in some form or another potential alliances. Things like that. Although they were less inclined to work with Clarkson's at the time they saw each other is in each other's way more so but at least a Yang conversation was being had What are you here? What's the likelihood of some sort of gamesmanship and I throw naming amy and Yang because the two of them are going to be the ones that are going to be probably sitting at your eight to twelve percent? You know and they could in different times help each other if it's is necessary. Do you buy that or does a Yang and Biden do business together or something like that. Well you know those are always great the theories but my experience like in a caucus on Monday night is people are pretty independent thinkers and You know you can say well. The campaign really wants you to join up with the Yang Group if if you're in the club. Hr Group but you know these people have a mind of their own and and maybe they were really committed to closure but maybe they really like Pete Buttigieg as their second choice. or Joe Biden I just think it's hard to pull those things off Maybe the campaign staffs will reach an agreement but execution on caucus night gets really really challenging people to judge will we say he was more dean or Obama when the caucuses are over. That's a good question I construction. I'm being a Simpleton Simpleton listeners I think he's more Obama Than Dean by a lot I had somebody say to me he's benefit. He's doing well with older voters. Because he's what older. Voters want millennials to be because his shirts tucked in shirts tucked in and comes as hair. You know well my every day. No hipster beards. You know my Sister and brother-in-law are in their seventies and they pay attention attention a little bit You know they're not junkies on this stuff And I said to them a month or so ago I said who do you guys like you. Who are you going to caucus for and my brother-in-law says I like the young guy and it's what my my mother who's who's a little deeper young man? Yeah yeah she goes. All the older people screwed it up. Let's let the next generation do it. Well and that. Actually their theory was a little different. They said look we're in our seventies as we have no business being president United States. We want somebody younger. That's interesting but it has to be frustrating to the crowd that they don't do well with younger voters. Well I mean look the the Iowa Caucus attender skews older. So you know if you have to pick a group. I I'd rather have older supporters supporters than younger supporters. At least in Iowa Before I let you go and hopefully I'll be out in Iowa long enough for I'll make you do to make you do some actual television but there you go let me ask you this. Am I going to care about Iowa November. How competitive? How's it going going to be? Yeah I I think so You know what makes it competitive. Why is it going to be a lean red state? Come election tonight in your mind. Well there's a couple reasons in in granted I understand that Iowa Went for trump by nine percentage points. I I know that Texas was closer than Iowa ecksteen one of my favorite reminders. Yeah it was a wipeout here but number one. I think these candidates the you know have have brought hundreds of staff people to every corner of the state and they have energized Democrats around the state like we haven't seen for a long long time and I think that carries over into the fall a number two. You know while trump has signed this this trade deal He continues to choose oil companies over Ethanol producers and corn growers. It's having a huge impact like ethanol plants or closing all all over the Midwest and here in Iowa had has it had an impact on his base yet. Because I I've seen the numbers it's one of those things that you're like when is when is reality. Going going to have an impact on his base on this issue. Well I I was. I was talking to a Republican friend of mine about this last night. And you know he was citing statistics about how how farmers are still sticking with with trump and I said well look if you're registered Republican and a farmer you're going to stick with trump if you're a registered Democrat and in a farmer you're probably not for trump in the real question is are you know are there a few of these independents Who are the ones that swing back and forth? I mean remember We have have about a one point. Five million people that vote in the in the general election we had about one hundred and fifty thousand people that voted for Obama twice and trump once That hundred and fifty thousand is the is the group that really matters and and I think they're open I think they were late. deciders in two thousand sixteen eighteen. I think they felt like they Were not given good options. They had they had two bad choices for president. They weren't drawn to trump. They were forced to trump. And if if we if we are not condescending towards them if we lift them up and we listened to them and say hey look Trump promised to change Washington in In all he did was changed the occupants in in the in the different jobs in Washington. And it's still working for the wealthy. It's still working for the big in companies And while the stock market's doing great are are your wages going up. You know. There is a message that we can deliver in a place like Iowa in Wisconsin Wisconsin and Minnesota and Michigan That can get us back on track. Final final prediction for you raw turnout on caucus night for for the Democrats. The record was oh wait. I believe to thirty nine. Yeah Right. That's the number My set the over under two fifty. You'RE GONNA take the over under okay so you think it's going to be right around the Oh eight number I do. I think it'll be just under. Oh eight but pretty close. Why don't we just call it a firehouse primary at this point? We're getting because I know our friends in New Hampshire don't like any any kind of hint whatever we can't even use lake. It's hard for us to use paper without. I'm more concerned about who's going to carry the caucus to bliss Georgia. No I'm kidding carrying what you guys have a caucus and to bliss if I pronounced that correctly Oh yeah that's the Dixville Notch. The first results are coming in uh-huh Americans abroad. It's sweep for sanders brother. Thanks for having me on. This is great. I I hope I don't know what I what I want to get out to Iowa. I kind of wish we could put one of these two things in suspended animation either. The impeachment trial Iowa's so that we can join me cover for them both correctly house. Well I have good news for you. It was zero for about three or four days in a row here. But it's a Balmy thirty four today and it's supposed to stay this way for four four or five days so who knows even bought extra chapstick. Jeff Blake Buddy all right. Thanks Chuck Kentucky Pause here for quick break. You're listening to chuck todd cast from the Bronx. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with sports. Writer Coward Bryant and talk about the Astros cheating scandal which is wild. Why Colin Kaepernick still isn't playing in the NFL? And the intersection of race and Sports in Donald Trump's America. That's that's this week. I'm why is this happening available now. Wherever you're listening to this podcast? I'm joined now by two the best people to understand what is happening in this White House. It's The Washington Post White House Bureau chief. Philip Rucker National Investigative Report Carolina. Their book is a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. It's out mouth has reporting for about two hundred sources close to this administration and and it reads like How do I put this? I feel like I had to relive the last three years And it was almost in machine gun rapid fire and it was a reminder of how much is conditioned. Walked me through the anxiety that you had six months ago. When you're I know you're you're supposed to be done really close to done and you know impeachments going to have it? Come on I want to know. How much panic did you have? What do we do about this? You know check the impeachment inquiry in the House got going just as we were finishing our final draft but I going back and forth with our editor. We wrote an epilogue about impeachment that we think holds up pretty well today but we did have thought about g should we. Did you think about waiting wing shortage. Yeah and we just realized you know what we have so much rich material enrich reporting from these three years. Now's the time to tell the story. We can't wait another year We wanted to share with the public. What we learned already and I think the themes and patterns in the book are so resonant right now because it's the same stuff that the lawmakers are talking about any emory but had to be like what are we doing this but we were on pins and needles shore to see what was going to happen in the fourth year of this presidency but in a way in a weird way? Many of the scenes deeply reported and found out new sort of draw dropping. Retail's about many of the scenes that we were learning these things. They presaged where we are now. The president views himself as the best decision maker but he also really basically puts himself I according to his aides. He's not going every morning morning. Hey how can this help the country according to these senior advisors. He's like how does it help me and what what better example of. How does it help me than his July? Twenty fifth call with the Ukraine president. Sandra Hey can you do a favor and it's really a favor for him. You know what's striking here. I spent a lot of time looking at him before he became president. Every story is the same. Every story is the same. The people are different but his behaviors. The same it's about him It's about the matter what he said before. It's what matters is what he says right now whether it's a negotiation for in Atlantic City or with Zoe let's go you're exactly right. And there's a little snippet in the book about a flashback. Relate to and trump was a redesigning plaza hotel in New York. He's a real estate. Mogul bought the hotel. Wanted all the bathrooms redone and he goes into a rage With one of his executives from the trump organization about the tile he thought the tile cheap deep who he he says who the hell pick out this tile and she of course said Donald. You're the one who picked this tile and approved that but it was the same kind of rage the same kind of white in the face face And language that he would use against Jeff sessions as attorney general the same behavior in the White House but just last week Carol. He supposedly raged against as our secretary. Sr Why am I so popular on healthcare. If it really reminds me absolutely it was. It's your fault it's always somebody Elsa. By the way that's another anecdote would have been in here. Had It happened six months ago. But there's of a moment that presages that to chuck I mean the moment when he is raging raging about how in the World John Kelly my chief of staff. Could you have embarrassed me and made this terrible decision about me. Not going to this war memorial. Oh morial in honor of fallen American soldiers in France in Paris. Actually the president is the person who decided not to go to it. He didn't feel like going. It was rainy John on Kelly told him. Look if you don't WanNa go here's what we can do. But when the images came out and John Kelly is standing there and looking presidential and trump is getting criticized. It's all John Kelly spot. It's always somebody else's fault and and it was this way on day one of the administration and it's that way now Trump does not accept blame for His own failings and struggles and is looking to to blame others. And that's why there's been so much turmoil in the administration so many advisors coming and going up and down and and the rise and fall of their fortunes. What kind of debate did you have on the title of this book and I say it because I read it as a snarky title? I know the tweet we we know what it is. It comes across snarky word. It defines the book for people before they open it. I think you know Phil and I both came to this title almost at the same exact moment. We wanted to use the president's words and take that mirror back on him and and stress test. This definition he gives himself are reporting. porting is anything but snarky. We know. That's what I buy point. The title is a little snarky. I would disagree but mostly it's because what we're trying to do is show the mirror her and we show the mirror through more than two hundred people who've spoken to us and worked at his shoulder day in and day day out. They don't agree that he's a stable genius. Some of them are frightened by him. Some of them describe a cabinet. That's constantly playing whack-a-mole trying to knock down bad ideas ideas that are dangerous for the country security we just had to hold that mirror up and If people WANNA take it that way they can. But that is not I would add some of the People around the president say he has genius qualities the even though they don't view him as a very stable genius in his own words but his ability to communicate with us with the public ability to understand what his political base greater to wish him. I don't know if I would go genius. There's an intuition that he had he connects. We gotTA give him credit. I'm glad fill added that we've got to give the Guy Credit. For what a master he is. I I remember reporting this one scene with Phil where it was about. The moment Don mcgann who became White House counsel is asked to go see this candidate. Donald Trump of course everybody knows who Donald Donald Trump is the guy from New York. The Guy Bills Hotels but he goes to see him thinking very suspiciously. This guy can't really be all that but when he sees him with white white middle class working class voters angry about the country leaving behind the disdain. They feel for politicians. He sees a rawness that really works and it still works for Donald Trump today. Look that's something. He learned from his father and how to market to those folks. They were trying to the people. He appeals to or the people that his father was selling homestore. Yeah Yeah people rich as I mean he he learned in that sense he learned to talk to these working class. Blue Collar rising middle-class folks working middle class from his dad sunlen apartment. Yeah that's a really smart point check in it and it's The court his political appeal. It's the reason why he can go so into you know. These parts of Pennsylvania needs pockets of Michigan and really connect With working class voters and and upset the Democrats as he did in two thousand sixteen. This this book includes so many anecdotes that are clearly from people that have worked for him or currently work form. How does he staff a cabinet in a second term? Have you guys. I have to say that was like I cannot second question. Is You know first of all it. It's amazing to me how there's basically half half of the cabinets unfilled in some form if you count the top three at H. Agency. We're probably at some sort of thirty to fifty percent are in some form of acting nominated or some form some of that and we destroyed our shoulders now about this but how does he handle a second term with the APP just personnel. I would I see where you're going and I. They have the same questions sometimes. Especially because all of the volume of people who he has driven out or have thrown up their hands in resignation like General Mattis and he didn't have the best and the brightest applying in the first place. Think about think about some of the people he has drawn to his side former attorney general. WHO has an agenda and a philosophy about a unlimited executive authority and people who want judges that are conservative Who are going to clamp down on a woman's right to choose who are going to make sure that religion is respected even in public settings In government settings there people with philosophy and they view this train in as a train they should jump on because they can get some of this executed under Donald Trump. What's the most startling? What would you say is your most startling anecdote in here? That has gotten the least amount of attention. 'CAUSE effing Moron is one. We've all been through when you have a bunch of great new Dell Tillerson Mattis and all that stuff a through line through the book is Muller Investigation and the Russia pro and we've done a really deep reporting taking you inside the room with the President's interactions with his lawyers and with lawyers who he tried to to hire and and failed to hire. There's one scene where he's interviewing a lawyer. He was really drawn to an excited about having on his team and told him you know what If I smell that jail L. Stale smell. I'll give you a call meaning if I think I'm going to go to jail I'll give you a call. Wow and then all the way up through the fight that Bill Barr had with Robert Muller at the end remember remember bar put out that summary of conclusions about the report. Will we take you into the room literally on the phone line. When bar is talking to Muller Muller is telling embar how disappointed he is with with the letter the summary that barred put out and how much he thinks he had failed To to accurately convey this report and concerns he had about the media narrative that was taking form about the Muller investigation that the the detail of that conversation that dialogue has never been a reported until now. I think that those are great examples. I think another one is An it's unfortunately repeated several times which is just the way? He ridicules and derides the people who work for him and who have been the most loyal one that's never been reported before is the way in which he would literally mock His National National Security Adviser H. R.. McMaster when he walked into the room the guy would walk in the room. He did this he would do everything he could to advise him and give him all the options when when other people were trying to stop him from having options and when he walked in the room trump would puff up his chest and say I'm general McMaster here to give you your briefing Sir and people who are watching. This were felt a well of pity for a general active general. This was this is why it was frankly it was. It was probably a mistake to name an active channel to national security adviser and an expert and intellectual expert. But at the end of the day when you're active active duty you have to sleuth manner chief chief absolutely does the president. I think I have my own views on this but do you think the president knows most people around him. Don't WANNA come and don't respect him but they suck up to them anyway so interesting I think he knows to some degree degree but I don't think he allows himself to fully acknowledge it and they don't just suck up to him. They find so many ways to praise him they they go out on public and say whatever he wants them to say whether it's true or not and I don't think he fully understands and appreciates the extent to which He's as the subject of ridicule. Sometimes but I do think he he I get the sense. Carol that he gets a kick out of the fact that he's made these people suck up tone and he because they don't want to know. This is chuck. Your questions are a really good and I feel totally ill prepared because I'm not a mental health health professional I would say stuff. I wrote the good anything that could I would. I would fail a lot of people around him. And we're not the experts at the people around him feel that is his narcissism. His sense of ego is so strong that those things may be walled off. It's it might be it it it might be. I mean I think about some conversations I've had with them in you in. You're just it's on one hand. It's very lucid. And aware of people around him. But there's also Izzo Paranoia. I think Phil Right that he always he both assumes everybody has to suck up to him and maybe they will turn on him and he's gotTa be careful that's right eight But I think you were also onto something when you said he gets a kick out of seeing these people go out. He likes bow. Before I think of Superman to I you know what I mean. It's sort of like he's like Ada. Ito's you don't like me. Respect me but Geno Kelly. You've gotta salute me. Yeah man wants him to get on your show and say whatever descript gives them and he loves it. He's the president and can make them do that. Hey you know what about this moment with the archives. You've gotTA wonder who at the National Archives was so afraid of Donald trump that they were willing to toss they're they're important. I Dunno pillar and legacy as keeper of history. The National Weather Service in Birmingham. But but that's why we pause here quick break. You're listening to Chuck Todd cash from me. We are back. How would you assess the relationship with Mike Pence? We don't know Fillon I how they feel about one another but what we know is from being inside the room with these senior aides who spoke to us and broke their silence for the first time to to tell us about it that they view pence almost as a wax figure in many of these settings silence nodding enabling and very very very rarely saying anything that would counter the president's wishes or wants and Pepsi's Advisors as irs will say look. The vice president keeps his counsel to the President Private. He doesn't speak up to the president these meetings but he does tell the president things One on one and offers advice one on one. But there's there's not a lot of evidence of that and in our reporting we almost never came across a moment where pence challenged the president accident or or even tried to steer him in a different direction. That usually fell to the other advisers. The John Kelly's the gym Madison's the REX Tillerson's to to steer the president to a different course. It was the last time you saw Karen Pence Donald Trump in the same room. And how often does that occur. Well we see it. From time to time at these rallies including the kickoff knock down in Orlando several months back but very rare and she's almost never and White House events. I think it's one of the extraordinarily under reported stories Our next book. Look there's been some anecdotes about her her feelings about Tim Alberta and so did they A A book by an Indianapolis Star reporter about my Benson and that that that she is never fully been his on board with him on with the president on characterize take it certainly the implication whether that's true or not she's never said on the record it's interesting because there seemed to be a couple spouses with concerns like that you know we didn't interview her but we heard a lot of stories about rex. TILLERSON's wife having a lot of pause about the way the president was behaving a lot of concern about what. Where was this taking her husband exactly in reading? We had an interesting conversation among some staffers. After reading. All tillerson parts of this book. And there's a clear to me like Tillerson has a lot of maybe the second thoughts whatever it is about this decision. He made to join the cabinet but the president ironically probably made a mistake in not picking Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney probably would have been somebody somebody who would have saluted the flag and kept his mouth shut even if he didn't like it probably would resign with Madison it type of thing But wouldn't it. You might not have been as vocal pushing back as as tillerson clearly seemed to be. That's an interesting point. I think that's right because Romney wanted the job. One of the Joe and he he wanted the stature. He wanted to do something to to be a part of that. The political debate here and do something for the country and I think you would have It kept doing it. I mean he didn't get the job but actually trump would have had a more a more malleable not the word. I'm looking for a more a secretary of state. That would have not agitated. Privately as real test for Romney would have been in that travel ban the first days of the administration whether to resign them or or not. That would have particularly problematic for a lot of moment. It was if Hillary Clinton had read this book and then run against him. What do you think she'd have done differently? I think she would learn from Fillon. I I say so. Boldly the patterns of this president and also some his his strengths and his vulnerabilities. If you're going to war against someone what you're going to learn from this book is what makes them tick. What motivates him and where he falls falls down where he falls down? According again to hundreds of sources who worked for him is that he is not interested. Did in taking a new information not curious about our history and she coulda pointed that out. are you. Are you patriot. If you don't know what happened at Pearl Harbor Harbor. Do you understand the rule of law if you can't read the constitution and don't care to read it before you become president. Those are the kinds of things she could have asked. What's the what have you learned about our our place in this ecosystem in Washington as the press and the way he is tried tried to make us turn us into partisan a partisan entity he has tried to turn our two party system and almost three party system where the press is a third party and opposition party to him and he's done it quite effectively? Actually he's done it. I mean there's an intensity af hate towards the the free press That we've never seen. I mean look at my cycle. Thinks he did. The fact is is a successful way to raise money which is the dehumanizing character assassinate any journalists there is yeah and that was striking MC sally with Maharaja who's totally respected from both parties on Capitol Hill. It was disingenuous because question is asked. was that even a radio. A radio host that I do regularly do hits with on Fridays to promote the press in Phoenix area. Said I don't know anything about men whose politics but I would have asked the same question and he's empathetic to the president side. There was nothing wrong with that question so even he was like wondering. What was the motivation? Ovation behind that. But to me it's about how how easy it is to exploit media hatred on the right right now. Yeah it's so easy because trump has laid that foundation and and we see it every day at the White House of course the way he talks back to reporters. There's a scene here where Abby Philip from CNN. is at at the Marine One before Marine One takes off and asks him a very basic news of David Westin about Matt Whitaker than the Acting Attorney General and trump just snaps at her her and says. US stupid questions. I watch you all the time stupid questions. Stupid question if there's just so much denim From the president towards the press. And you know we're not at at war with him. We're trying to do our work and trying to you. Know Unearth Truth and bring light to what's happening in the country as as you are too and it it makes our Ajayi difficult. What's it what kind of tolls taken on you care as I'd take a one on me I'll just I I find it really troubling from the standpoint that We're all working our tails off. This new cycle is like one I've never seen and I've been a reporter for two and a half decades without dating myself too much and I I you know I have a family so to all my colleagues or they have friends and loved ones people they wanna see. We're not doing that. We're losing that quality time with those people and we are getting epithets hurled at us for trying to bring facts to the public eye. I yearn for for this day when we can communicate with those people who are hurling epithets and show them what we do. Come see it because all we're doing is rigorously getting facts Enjoy it congrats that you got this done. Thanks Charlotte Caroline thanks. Thank you been listening to the chuck. Todd cast from meet the press. Today's episode was produced by just Scream Ryan. Braun Matt Rivera's our senior producer for digital and genres our producer Steve Alexa the head of podcast for NBC News and the music composed by spoke media. I'm Chuck Todd. 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Day 1,355: Trump returns to White House infected with COVID-19

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Day 1,355: Trump returns to White House infected with COVID-19

"The one time leader of the free world has stepped off the international stage just as we face the biggest shared challenge of our lifetime. At the Financial Times are journalists are following America's response to the pandemic and its role in the global community. We'll November's election bring more domestic focus or will America lead the World Recovery Make decisions that make a difference with the Financial Times. Read More F.. T. Dot com slash new agenda. Ten good evening once again day thirteen, hundred, fifty, five of the trump administration twenty, nine days to go until our presidential election just two days until the first and only vice presidential debate donald trump now under treatment for the deadly corona virus and contagious with it tonight checked himself out of Walter Reed Hospital the leader of the nation that leads the world in Corona virus debts walked out of the brass front doors of Walter. Reed for the greatest possible effect, he could not have liked either of the questions yelled at him by a reporter. President. How many soffer? How many of your stock were fed? Thank you very much. That's how that went and then after the helicopter ride to the White House released on twitter as a video accompanied by the stolen theme music from the avengers trump walked up the stairs for the kind of balcony flourish. We used to see on overseas newsreels. His First Act was to remove his mask. He was richly rewarded for the spectacle when Sean. Hannity said tonight took him to comparing him to FDR and Churchill. He went inside only the later returned to the doorway to record a campaign video including a message contrary to the advice of every public health professional. I learned so much about coronavirus. and. One thing that's for certain. Don't let it dominate you. Don't be afraid of it. You're going to be we have the best medical equipment. We have the best medicines all developed recently, and you're going to beat it and I went I didn't feel so good. And two days ago I could have left two days ago two days ago i. felt great like better than I have in a long time stood out front I lead. Nobody that's a leader would not do what I did. And I know there's a risk there's a danger but that's okay and I'm better and maybe I'm immune I don't know. But don't let it dominate. You lives vaccines coming momentarily. Earlier this afternoon White House Physician Sean Conley a US Navy commander was asked why trump who was symptomatic for the virus was leaving Walter Reed after just a few days. Though he may not entirely be out of the woods yet. The team and I agree that all our evaluations most importantly is clinical status support the president's safe return home. There's nothing that's being done upstairs here that we can't safely. Conduct down home we all remain cautiously optimistic. And on guard. Because, we're at a bid of unchartered territory if we can get through to Monday with him remaining the same or improving better yet. Then, we will all take that final deep. Sigh of relief. Remember he had his last negative. I don't WanNa go backwards. Inflammation long at all. So we we've done routine standard imaging. I'm just not at liberty discuss there are hip rules and regulations that restrict me in sharing certain things. Commander Conley said trump will continue to receive powerful metaphor Medicare while in the White House including Rendez severe and experimental antibody cocktail and steroid. The president is supposed to quarantine and the residents portion of the White House and those who come in contact with him are supposed to wear P.. P.. During, a town meeting on this network earlier tonight, former vice president biden weighed in on trump's illness and his decision to leave the hospital today. I would hope that the president having gone through what he went through and I'm glad he seems to be coming along pretty well. Would Communicate the right lesson the American people masks matter when you hear that this president. was infected with covid nineteen. Were you surprised? Quite. Frankly I wasn't surprised look. Anybody who contracts the virus. My essentially saying. Mass don't matter social scene doesn't matter. I think is is responsible for what happens. As we mentioned the administration is now dealing with something of a cluster of staffers. Now, testing positive including press secretary, Kaley mcenaney you briefed reporters just yesterday without a mask to of her deputies in the press office also testing positive at least eleven people tied to the president have contracted the virus in recent days three Republican senators also infected. So as the head of the president's political party. And the head of his presidential campaign several attended the Rose Garden announcement for Supreme Court nominee judge. Amy Conybeare at nine days ago. Wall Street Journal reports trump decided not to reveal his first positive test result last day. As he awaited the results of a second that would mean he got the initial result before his interview with Sean Hannity. When he confirmed senior aide whole Hicks was indeed positive. She did test positive. I just heard about this just went out with a test I'll see because we spend a lotta time and first lady just went out with a test also. So whether we quarantine or whether we have it. I know. The Wall Street Journal further reports quote as the virus spread among the people closest to him Mr. Trump also asked one advisor not to disclose results of their own positive test. Don't tell anyone, MR trump set. Today we also learned the Centers for disease. Control has yet again updated. Its website to indicate that airborne transmission appears to play a role in the corona virus spread. One more item here, political reports that the commission on presidential debates has agreed that plexiglass can be used to separate Mike Pence and comma harassed during Wednesday's vice presidential debate in salt. Lake City, additionally, the two candidates will be thirteen feet apart. It's a lot. It brings us to our leadoff discussion on a Monday night with three of our returning Veterans Phil Rucker, Pulitzer Prize winning White House Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with Carol Lenna the post of the longtime bestseller a very stable genius Mara Gaye a member of the New York. Times editorial board former New York City Hall Bureau Chief for The Wall Street Journal also happens to be a corona virus survivor and Dr Haber deleon. Infectious Disease Physician and the medical director of the Special Pathogens Unit. At Bu School of Medicine, she worked with the WHO back when we were a member nation during the west African, Ebola epidemic and as among our medical contributors and indeed doctor I'd like to begin with you the taking off the mask as his first official act on white. House grounds was very on brand for a president who's been a corona virus denier since the start, what did you see when you looked at this man forget president but what did you see when you looked at this patient who had ascended the stairway? Ryan. I think that the concern that all of us have is it's important to remember the president's still under treatment. He's left the hospital, but he's continuing the rim dust of the money goes back to the white. House is under the care of physician and so we're looking. At a person who's suffering with covid nineteen like millions who've been infected. The one thing that worried me though is is the is the video and and the president saying do not fear the fires and Brian I thought about the fact of did he when he walked back, did you see the twenty thousand chairs relate out outside the White House to represent the two hundred, ten thousand people that have died of this pandemic in this country? He does he know that four, hundred, ten, four, thousand, four, hundred, ten, thousand people are already hospitalized in this country as he note that. There were times during this pandemic that when I was part of the care of a patient, they had multiple other medical medical other family members that were admitted medical care. Does he know how tired and exhausted the healthcare workers in country are when they look at the fact that are cases are going up again and they fear about the hospitalizations that are starting to follow does he know that because if he did, he wouldn't say don't be afraid of his of this virus given how different his experience has been in the Type Care how quickly he's got an access to testing the best care in the world, and he wouldn't say that in the only because it's such a juxtaposition to the reality of this pandemic and the only thing closest historically that I could think of that is so disconnected from reality is what Murray and met set when she said, let them eat cake. Doctor I know you do medicine and not politics by trade this President says very little by accident but clearly took great pains to say in that video maybe I'm immune. Maybe not I am guessing we'll hear that a lot is year theory speculate on this that he's putting it out for the first time to maybe inoculate you'll forgive the phrase may be Prequel to cover him for going out and being among people in the foreseeable future. Well even if he's immune. He still contagious to others. He hasn't yet generally what we know that it takes time for antibodies to build those part of what protects you of your immune system protecting from from the affection. The future that takes time it takes about a week two weeks for us to get a full load of those antibodies. The. From the CDC guidelines that anybody who is infected, who has symptoms ten days onwards from the onset of their symptoms as Dr Out, you said earlier, this evening are contiguous to other their infective to others around them, and so he still remains a not just not just do we have to worry about his care, but we not have to worry about potentially protecting all the White House staffers and everyone else in that building was around him ensure that they did not get infected from him. Phil Rucker this was a straight up television production late today and tonight the president all this flourish and during a White House diminished by wait for it. The Corona virus can you shed some light on the decision to? Leave Walter Reed and go back to the White House. Well Brian are reporting suggests that that decision was made by the president. It was something he wanted to do. He was telling allies and advisers earlier today this morning. I have to get out of here. That would the focus depressant use she wanted to be back in the white. House he wanted to try to signally American people that he was healthy that he was strong. He was in charge and once he proposed leading to be discharged his medical doctors agreed with him and allowed him to do that they of course are going to be continuing their treatments at the White House and the president. Said no way fully healthier fully recover according to his doctors. Nonetheless, he got the image that he wanted a of him walking down their sex landing in the helicopter and going up to the Truman Balcony I. It's literally a an pain television production I'm sure we're GONNA be seeing these images in the future because my colleague, Josh Doc- and Ashley Parker and I reported today that the president has been consumed while in his hospital room. With planning for his reelection campaign and thinking of ways that he can use his experience with the coronavirus, his diagnosis, and it's time in the hospital. For maximum political gain how can he have the most sort of dramatic? Comeback to the campaign trail and what we saw tonight within walking back to the White House with it beginning. Of Summer that drama that this reality television producer at wants to present the American Eagle before the election. Mara a are frequent guest of ours Tim O'Brien from Bloomberg, put out a chilling reminder and it's a time line of how early trump is in this virus. This is as he puts it a humbling Herman Cain Corona Virus Time Line. June. twenty-fourth Herman. Cain, attended that trump rally without a mask July. Second Test Positive July tenth says he's improving July fifteenth says his doctor seem. Happy. July twenty seventh says he's really getting better. He was dead by the last day. July thirtieth. Mara what was your first symptom? When was your last and how does it feel to hear the president say don't be scared of this thing don't let it take over your lives. Authors Fall I am very happy to hear that the president is it seems during to feel better I do wish him well. I've prayed for him the same way that I've prayed for. All those who come down with a corona virus, and there are hundreds of thousands of people who are still fighting this right now and unfortunately tonight Brian Thousands you may not make it. While the president's recovering, you know my first symptom was April seventeenth. And I got a little bit of a fever and then the next day it felt like was tar in my chest. I still have some gems six months later I'm doing much better on the road to what my doctor is. Thing will be full recovery I'm able to run again I have been working, of course obviously. I just took up yoga and I'm just starting to feel six months later a more and more like myself stronger every day it has been a the. Fight of my life. And I have to say that for those of us who have family members or friends who have died of covid or who ourselves have been struggling fighting to regain our health every single day the past forty, eight hours. The past few days have been extremely triggering not just to see the blow by blow of the President's health reported or not reported as the case may be but to see the the actual disdain and disrespect that this president has or the two, hundred, ten, thousand Americans who have lost their lives to preventable disease that he did nothing to protect us from. Has Been. Extremely emotional for many of us and I also you know in that vein I, I think that moving forward, there are a lot of Americans probably millions of Americans who've been touched by this virus. In some way, they're going to be extremely powerful political constituency. Moving forward and I just don't see even more broadly how the president thinks that the spectacle. The game show like spectacle that he's engaging in is going to win more Americans to his 'cause. I think most people are disgusted and I think that the increasingly small number. In, the President's orbit are acting much like a deaf call. Dr Padillia as no one need remind you the steroids to name one medication. The president's on can give a false sense of strength can give an altered mental state I heard. It said today that he should be coming off this round of steroids now that he's home, let's go ahead and assume best case presidents bedroom on the. Floor of the White House is converted to a day facto hospital room that he'll be monitored all the time. What should his docs look for now that he's home but only in like what day four as a patient? One of the things that we already know is that the reason that stories were given is because it sounds like his immune system is overreacting, which is why stairs given in cases of covid nineteen. When you see the diseases getting severe enough where the system is now making in adoptive way the things that they'll look at our his bloodwork, they'll look at it inflammatory markers to make sure that that inflammation is coming down they will make sure that they follow clinically to make sure his oxygen levels at any the imaging that they do. That might give them a sense of whether the disease is progressing or not, but the other part that he got a couple of experimental medications. We. Have a lot of experience with now at this point but regeneration, this is one of the first times at seven received well, probably the first time for Kogo that someone's receive free together and so understanding how that plays out the lead follow that as well. And your point is right. There is experience that people do really well once you start stories because they physically feel better and then once you know those are paper and off or or the numbers look good, you'll remove that there's no guarantee things they stay that way this disease has been pretty unpredictable. Phil Rucker among your other jobs is bureau chief of The Washington Post White House correspondents. How do White House correspondents were with your news organization and others feel about working inside this White House right now Now. Well. Bryan scary place to work in a lot of journalists. For NBC and Washington, Post and so many other news organizations to put their lives in danger in pursuit of the truth and of the story and they usually do so in war zones. Or you know reporting North Korea or recording in in some of the world's deadliest hot spots but the White House at this moment. Is One of those hot spots. Going to the White House and Swiping in their press patches are putting their lives at risk to tell their story. That's not how it should be about the talent is because of the recklessness of. Some of the White House officials, it was just last week when Keighley mcenaney the press secretary held a press briefing with mass she she never wears him asking trying to press briefing the weekend she briefed reporters. outdoors. But again, without her mass at a tested positive for the coronavirus and so they're just not taking the best health practices around reporters and are not only putting their own lives in danger as we're seeing with all of the positive cases that are coming out of the staff but they're putting the lives of the reporters dangerous while and serious concern. Mara as I said, the president's dramatic helicopter arrival dramatic removal of the mask was richly rewarded by Sean Hannity, who promptly tonight compared him to FDR and Churchill clearly aimed at the base. What's your guests as to general voter reaction of just these last twenty four hours. I think that most Americans however, they've been touched by this pandemic whether they lost their job whether they're struggling with childcare or whether they themselves or someone they love has his gun ill. Most Americans know that this behavior is extremely reckless in disrespectful. I also have concerns tonight at not just for the White House press corps some of whom are my close friends but also for the Staff the chefs in the cooks, valets, butlers in this White House and when I think about them, we know that they won't be helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital and whisked away to have a team to look after them. When I walked into the hospital on April seventeenth a doctor looked at me through her mask and said I wish there was something I could do for you and sent me home. told me that if oxygen dropped below a certain amount, I needed to make my way back to an ER. And most Americans have not had experienced president has I'm glad he's getting good help every American deserves that. But I just I just think that this is. Extremely, record behavior. Thanks to our starting three for taking our questions tonight and starting off our coverage. Phil Rucker Mara Gaye Dr Knee Padillia greatly appreciate it coming up the President returns to what is in Effect Day Corona virus hotspot known elsewhere as People's house where there is great unease among those few remaining on the job during an outbreak of corona virus will as two political veterans about the fallout from this medical drama there, and later the president tells Americans further not to fear at nineteen. He's telling us to get back out there an open society backup. We'll run that notion passed a noted infectious disease expert. All of it as the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this back to work Monday night. 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But of course, that starts at the very top with US tonight. Steve Schmidt longtime political strategist who led the McCain Oh eight effort has since left the party he was among the founders of the Lincoln project dedicated to the defeat of Donald, trump and trumpism and Robert Gibbs former Obama campaign senior adviser, and White House press secretary under president. Obama gentlemen welcome to you both we. As often as we talk, we could call this segment. Does he think we're stupid and rubber had like to begin with you? The President says don't be afraid of it. You're going to beat it. That's not church Chilean it's wrong and it's anti science and we hope the people who hear that message have better sense than that message but talk about the danger of that message delivered from the White House balcony. Will Run I think everyone hoped that when the president caught this terrible virus that it would help him more greatly understand what he'd been missing for months and months, and yet we have somebody who rushed out of the hospital who endangered secret service and marine. Helicopter pilots. Who walked into the White House tonight actively shedding a terribly contagious virus and the first thing he did when he got there was take off his mask and everything about what the president has been doing for the past six to seven months in everything has been doing in the past three days is anathema to what anybody should be doing to keep themselves safe and out of harm's so I do hope that anybody that's out there listening is is wearing a mask when they go outside. Is staying away from each other socially distant. If you've been exposed get tested. And if you are potentially exposed quarantine yourself to act as the president has put a number of people in continual danger of getting this deadly disease. Steve Schmidt you read as many history books as anyone I know did Mr Hannity's comparison of trump with FDR and Churchill also occurred to you as you were taking in the White House South Lawn Tableau this evening. No, it did not Brian His leadership is very much the opposite of FDR and Churchill Ad. It's just a desecration of history in the memory of two of the world's greatest statesman that anybody would ever compare the recklessness of trump's behavior is malice. Nets irresponsibility To FDR to Winston. Churchill who saved the world from the Oval Office actually FDR sat behind the same desk the resolute desk. Give to this country from the members of the of a British ship. The resolute that was given to us by Queen Victoria as a gift and after your. Behind that task with with Churchill, at the side, they would mix cocktails. Every evening at at five o'clock is they plotted to make the world safe for democracy and we're looking at somebody and these pictures who less than a week ago threaten violence in this country. If he were to lose an election somebody who activated every militia group in this country, a day all believed that they heard a lock and load weapons to the ready order. We saw this stunt, the drive around Walter Reed endangering secret service agents. It's just complete and total foolishness from. The beginning of this crisis it's tragic if if we had the same mortality rates in America, the Germans had there'd there'd be a one, hundred, fifty, thousand more of us, alive today. Than than than than than there are it's Love One, hundred, thousand more data Americans. We have a broken economy American way of life has been fundamentally disrupted all because of this fool and that's what he is I. Don I don't use the words lightly his his recklessness has endangered lives in the idea that he some type of hero that he did this for us that he faced down corona virus trying to assume the PATINA of heroism around this cow or is just an appalling spectacle to watch as is my colleague and partner Regale and today looking at the scene of trump from the balcony. He called him Benito Trump Leney, and it is amazing that all of these guys with his autocratic fetish, they certainly do like the balconies don't day. We've lost ten thousand souls in thirteen days of none of them had quite the care. This president has had thus far in his illness WE'RE GONNA fit in a break here. Both of these gentlemen have agreed to stay with us. We'll come back to talk about the state of this presidential race. Let's not forget. They said if you wear a mask and save a hundred thousand lives. Now, what is this macho thing? I'm not gonNA wear masks. The deal here. Big, deal. Said hurt you be patriotic for God's sake. NBC News Wall, Street Journal poll released yesterday, and support. For Joe Biden has almost doubled after just last week's debate the poll taken before trump announced he had covid nineteen has biden by fourteen, fifty, three to forty nine still with us our professionals. Steve Schmidt, Robert Gibbs Robert I am duty-bound to point out I think Hillary Clinton on this date in two thousand sixteen was ahead by exactly fourteen points with that in mind. What would your charge to your fellow Democrats be? Well I would. I would ignore the polls. And go full steam ahead on what you have to do to win this race next continue to assure the American people. That you're capable and that you've got a plan for implementing that. The. Change that you need to see in the White House but I think Lewis startling about that poll. This race has been remarkably stable Brian it's been stable for a really long time regardless of all that gets thrown at it, and so the NBC NBC eight previous polls, the average margin was Biden by eight percent in February it was Biden by eight percent in September. It was Biden by eight percent now it's fourteen. The American people got a good hard look at Donald Trump in that debate and they liked absolutely nothing of what they saw I don't think Joe Biden is going to win this race by fourteen points. The one of the last moments Donald Trump had available to him to begin to change the trajectory of this race in his favour not only did he miss that opportunity, but he actually handed a significant amount of support with now just four weeks left in this race to his opponent Joe. Biden. Mister Gibbs makes a great point Mr Schmidt and let's go further on. Politics. Steve Mitch McConnell is seventy eight. He is a polio survivor he is scared to. Of Covert nineteen by all available evidence politically, he is scared to death of not pushing through the third Supreme Court nominee what's going to happen? Do you think in the US Senate three Republican members down with positive diagnoses? Well look specifically when it comes to stopping a Supreme Court Nomination Brian you have to think about it like trying to rob a train before you can get to the safe with the gold on it on the train to derail the train you have to slow it down you have to be able to get on the train and so what the Democrats have to do is not be focused on delaying the hearings pass the election they need to be focused on delaying the hearings for the first day they need to push it back one day, and then once you can push it back one day you can. Get the second day, but the reality is is it'd be very difficult for the Senate to hold onto the time line because total recklessness of so many of these senators and of course, trump at the trump administration and all of the chaos that we're seeing play out over over this weekend, and then elect Wurley for the Senate I. Mean This is just a disaster I. Think Certainly Mitch McConnell understands. He's on the precipice of losing his Senate majority. It's almost a certainty that he will. It may be a wipeout. You see for example, Mike spn Mississippi Mike espy is in a very close race now you see. The Kansas Senate race, the Democratic candidate is points up there. So the it seems like the walls are collapsing on all of this. This was a terrible terrible week for trump and for all the trump of batters, enablers and accomplices in the United States Senate I, mean, it started with the with the debate and it got worse from there the. Senior leadership of the campaign scandalized there is a mutant in the campaign on Friday night. PEOPLE DON'T WANNA show up to work too terrified to go into the White House profound mistrust of their leadership, and then there's reports out tonight from the incomparable Gabe Sherman for example, a Vanity Fair talking about the divide in the family looking at how crazy trump's behaviors been. Over the course it is last weekend with Donald Trump junior apparently talent people that they have to try to rain man knowing what a disaster this is. So my view is this is all coming down the Walzer collapsing we're seeing that play out everything we're seeing trump do is from a position of weakness and the idea now that he's going to be able to. CAST himself as some type of hero for having defeated cove at I think is. A ludicrous delusion on the part of him Sean Hannity and his supporters. Are To returning veterans tonight two men with Sterling resumes and beautifully appointed Kitchens. Steve Schmidt Robert Gibbs thank you both for coming on hanging out with US coming up for us. The president says he may be immune maybe not he doesn't know. But if he said at once expect to hear it a lot will ask an epidemiologist what he thinks when we come back. Learn to things among others but two things stand out mama number one it's very contagious and number two it's not nearly as lethal as the experts told us it was going to be. That is Republican senator no relation Kennedy of Louisiana, and he knows exactly what he's doing there. He likes to play up the I'm just like you affect especially when he thinks people in Louisiana are listening. But this man, a former Democrat has degrees from Vanderbilt UVA law school and studied at Oxford he knows that the virus has killed one of every eight hundred thirty people in his state, a death rate way over and above most nations on the planet in fact, the political veteran and. Frequent guest of ours Ron clain reminds us more people and Senator Kennedy. State of Louisiana have perished from Corona virus than died fighting in World War Two Korea, Vietnam combined and as of tonight more than half the states in our country are now reporting a rise in cases. So back with US tonight Michael Oester, home professor, and the Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy University of Minnesota is also the CO author of the book deadliest enemy our war against killer germs. Michael What are people to do surrounded by deniers in media whether it's a hyper educated senator from Louisiana Better or the president of the kind of denier chief. WHO's first official act today was to remove his mask he is sick with covert nineteen. Well you're absolutely right. There's a tremendous amount of pushback out there among what I would call no longer just pandemic fatigue but pandemic anger people who believe that this is all a hoax it's not real meanwhile as you just laid out, we're actually going to hit the darkest days of this pandemic today over the next several months the case numbers are going. Up Right, now we're getting into that fall season with indoor air being a much more prominent way to transmit the virus, and I would suggest that we are going to see this disease go from the number three causes of death in this country backup closer to number one as it was in. April that's hardly a disease this not a problem. Let me let me ask you to go deeper on that last point some people have have asked why does everyone assume it gets worse in fall and winter explain what happens environmentally you mentioned it by nature forces us inside. Yes Indoor air doesn't have the same circulation as does outdoor air. The virus dissipates much more quickly outdoor air while we don't have the data yet I'll be willing to put dimes two dollars that the transmission that we saw with the Rose Garden ceremony didn't occur in the rose. Garden. It likely occurred in those meetings that were held prior to the ceremony in those smaller rooms in the in the White House itself where many of these people who? Are Now infected actually were standing next to each other for some period of time as I sit here in the studio right now, Brian with just ten minutes of my talking I feel this room for these aerosols. These small little drops were if I were outdoors, they would dissipate. So now that we're coming into the fall season where we're going to spend much more time indoors going to see the potential for this transmission to go up precipitously. Yeah I. Think you're right on the Rose Garden event people have tried to create graphic showing the tie between people who've since tested positive but I think in all likelihood, there was not one but two interior receptions on that very same day. Hey Michael The New York Times is reporting tonight that the White House is trying to block FDA measures. The FDA is trying to make it tougher for a vaccine to come to market say before Election Day that doesn't belong on the market. What's a guy in your line of work to do when the White House is trying to to muscle around the FDA and the FDA's going to be looking for other governance to make sure no bad vaccines come to market. Yes, well, it's timely. I actually have an hour long Webinar with commissioner, Hahn, and later this week live will cover these various issues and I can tell you right now we in the public health community are absolutely frightened by this proposition that the administration may decide on its own to bring through based on emergency authorization of a licensed vaccine, and also require a company to make under the fence production act even if they don't want to why that's really important is because we as a public health community have a very, very solemn oath of the public, we will not bring through vaccines that have been demonstrated to. Be Safe, and effective and I believe the FDA. So trying to do just that there's no politics here it's straight science and I would hate to see us in a public health in the community have to stand up and say, no, this vaccine is not ready for prime time just so that might have a political advantage in someone's court that would create even more distrust of what has already a challenge trying to get people to understand why these vaccines are important. So this would be I think one of the cruelest blows to public health that I could imagine in my forty five year career if this actually happened. Michael Oester home. Thank you for always taking our questions. Thank you for staying up with US and educating US our audience coming up for US Donald. Trump bragging tonight about beating the virus. But he's also received a cocktail of medications that few patients can dream of getting a closer look at that when we come back. President says he's feeling better than he did twenty years ago. But as president, he's getting medicines available to very few others as NBC News correspondent Tom. CASTELLO reports for us. Tonight. That has some physicians concerned. Tonight even the president's own doctors concede they've taken a fast-track approach in treating the president involving some higher risk medications. The president was given the highest dose of an experimental antibody cocktail designed to kick start the body's defenses so far there are only results on two hundred, seventy, five trial patients, Mr. trump received that antibody treatment under compassionate use agreement with the company I can assure you that. There was there's nothing to the notion that. Any special relationships or anything like this we've reached out certainly to the Biden team. To offer to offer. Our antibody cocktail to them on Friday Mr. Trump also received a first dose of desert ear an antiviral drug under emergency FDA approval to treat severe cova cases. But most surprising say outside experts is that the president's doctors also administered dexsa method shown a steroid used to keep the patient's immune system from going into a dangerous overreaction while it's been shown to cut the mortality rate of Covid by twenty percent, it's only meant for patients with severe covert on oxygen or a ventilator why you would add. DEXSA method zone. To Tamp things down. For someone who's not on oxygen where there's a hint that. Using. It early in the course. Of Cove infection is not a good thing when you do want the immune system to respond the president's doctor insists decisions about his care have been made with the president. He has never once pushed us to do anything that was beyond safe and reasonable practice. Still outside experts warn the president could still be endanger in many cases. I've anecdotally seen that by say six or seven after the onset of their symptoms, things aren't looking so good anymore. So do I think he's out of the woods note fascist disease experts are also surprised to Dr Anthony Fauci the nation's top infectious disease expert has not been involved in the president's care even though literally his office is across the street from Walter Reed. Brian. Correspondent Tom Castello thank you for that reporting tonight coming up for us. The words spoken on this day a long time ago they continue to move us and motivate us the story when we come back. Hey It's Chris as this week on my podcast. Wise. Happening I'll be talking with Ben Collins and brandies draws me NBC reporters who cover. The ascendant right-wing cult, the goal is to Donald. That's why they're harping on the same consequence. Donald trump is for the next six weeks just going to happen this way so that church will now evangelize for reelection. That's how was GONNA. Go through weeks. This is a real phenomenon with real electoral impact. The idea that this is gonna be a rigged election. 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Mayor Pete surges, Bernie talks to Fox - Kasie Hunt & Phil Rucker plus Stuart Stevens and Trump's primary challenge

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Mayor Pete surges, Bernie talks to Fox - Kasie Hunt & Phil Rucker plus Stuart Stevens and Trump's primary challenge

"Good afternoon. I'm Chuck Todd. And this is the Chuck Todd cast. Yes, we are keeping this before we have received the redacted version of a tale of two cities also known as the report on today show. What happens when an incumbent challenge by someone from his own party? We're getting here from Stuart Stevens. He is the political adviser and strategist for the former Massachusetts government and Republican twenty twenty presidential hopeful Bill. Well, for those of, you know, Stewart, Stephen you'll know this is not as first rodeo in presidential politics. He was the chief guy for a one Mitt Romney soda fascinating discussion with him later in the show. But first apparently the rest of the political world is discovered that Bernie Sanders is the front runner in our suddenly wringing their hands about it. President Trump is certainly noticed. And now that he's starting to notice him and more Democrats are realizing a while. Bernie Sanders is the front runner are Democrats getting a little nervous about who their front runner is then we're going to dig into the president's immigration policy. These what is he up to does? He want to solve the problem. Or is that the feature with me today? Casey hunt. NBC news Capitol Hill. Correspondent and host of Angus Young's favourite cable show, Casey DC and MSNBC the White House bureau chief for the Washington Post and MSNBC endless, Mr. Phil Rucker. Hello, Mr. record. Hey, Chuck check, MS on our you. Okay. I do feel like this is the week, and, you know, Casey back in my hotline days, and I think back in your early political journalism days, we'd hold our nose sort of snobbish Lee at the Washington Post in the New York Times when they suddenly discover something that the rest of the political world had been writing about for weeks. I Mr. Rucker, but your competition at the New York Times finally discovered what a lot of it's been talking about. Hey, Bernie Sanders is the front runner and explain to me who's going to stop them. So we now know that Bernie Sanders is the front runner in Democrats are suddenly nervous. They are Chuck. And you know, I covered Bernie Sanders in two thousand sixteen and I'm pleased that that our friend Jonathan Martin at the New York Times did in fact discover this I feel like. He. Pence getting getting the editors to agree to incite are-, political analysis is not always easy. And he does a great job at the times we highly. I certainly highly recommend his reporting. But it has been a very lonely road for Bernie Sanders, and frankly, the degree to which Democrats seem to initially be willing to ignore the strength of his candidacy when his announcements when he got into the race the money that he raised the reaction that he got to that was significantly more muted and some of the other candidates when they announced their fundraising totals. I having spent twenty sixteen with him, you know, the idea that he was going to go away. Just seemed absolutely ludicrous to me and the way that the rules around the democratic primary written this time around they're designed to make it easier for him this time, the only that I mean, Phil Rucker if we don't if there's no brokered convention this time, we're never having one. Sorry. The Democratic Party created rules lifetime. I do. The the rules have been written in such a way to encourage it, not discourage. They're almost forcing it which to me means. You're handing the nomination it. Maybe I'm being a little I don't know under that scenario. How you deny the nomination of one Bernie Sanders. He's first or second. Yeah. It's going to be tricky for the Democratic Party and looked so many assumptions were made early on about Bernie Sanders in this twenty twenty race. There was a feeling, you know, no way. Can he recreate the energy any momentum? You had in two thousand sixteen while he's proving that wrong. He doesn't even need to recreate. All it only right only field of ninety and a sense that no way will democratic voters go with somebody so old and yet they're given a lot of money to him. And no way will people will democratic voters in the age of Trump be so drawn to that message on income inequality because the imperative is defeating trumpet select ability. It's sort of changing this this moment in Washington and yet Bernie's proving them wrong and Casey's totally right. He's gonna. Stick around, by the way, I think the FOX town hall is his way of saying for all of you smarty pants people who say, I'm not electable. How do you like me now and check let me tell you one big difference between this run for Bernie Sanders. And the last time he didn't start out last time playing to win. He didn't think he could win. He was trying to make a point this time. He is playing this to win. And he knows for him that watch. Yes, I don't this is always been my. Hesitance on Sanders. I'm don't fully believe he wants to win. I think he wants to make a point just now think he wants to make a point in the biggest possible platform because he doesn't do the heat. We'll see I'll be curious to see if he does whatever it takes to get this nomination. There are certainly some questions about the type of campaign that he may have to run in order in order to win that you're it's an absolutely fair point. But I think it became clear to late in two thousand sixteen that he was actually capable of winning. You know, they had missed their window by the time it became clear that there was a phenomenon behind him. So they came they were behind Hillary Clinton in the delegate count. And they were never able to recover. That's simply not going to be the case this time. And even if that twenty percent of the Democratic Party stays with them, and they keep, you know, voting for him in early states and also giving him money. There's no reason why he gets out before the convention fill. It's amazing to me how many of the other competitors. In the democratic primary when I've I I have been have I posit the same thesis to every single campaign strap like okay, riddle me this Sanders sitting with about thirty percent of the delegates somewhere by Memorial Day. And that's the leading vote getter explained to me how he doesn't get the nomination and they're like open. It's not going to be thirty or it's an and I'm in which one of us, designated takeout, Bernie will not us. I'm sorry. Isn't this exactly what we went through four years ago on the Republican side? They just assumed they all assume Trump will not be the nominee, the Republican party will not nominate Donald Trump. And yet this is what happened and you see the same mistakes playing out on the democratic side this time, there is one little thing. One advantage that he won't have this time. There are fewer caucuses. That's true. And that organism that was. That was not a small deal on the delegate front was case. No, it was it was very important. And that was really how Bernie Sanders kept himself. You know, relevant kind of in an electoral way heading into the convention. I mean, the the number of states that I traveled to with Bernie Sanders places that I never would have gone with any other presidential candidate, Idaho, Utah that you know, they've changed the rules there at this time around, but. To your point. There's going to be fewer opportunities. Now, I think what's going to be different is kind of the way they've structured the convention itself. And a big difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in two thousand sixteen is that Trump those primaries were winner, take all that's not going to be the case here to your brokered convention point. I think the real question for Bernie Sanders is is there somebody who can really take off and solidify support behind themselves early enough that he is simply too far behind to become an obvious contention for the nominee. Well, look, I think we're in a week. We're going to find out what kind of campaign Joe Biden wants to run. And I say this at times Rucker, I get the sense that Joe Biden does want to be the I'm not Bernie Sanders, and I'm gonna show you home, not Bernie Sanders that is the wrong way to go this new left and even calls it that I don't know progressive's no'social that's not me when you're thinking about comma Harris doesn't want to be the. Ndadate to go after Bernie Lisbeth worn doesn't want to be that maybe Buddha. Judge doesn't bite might actually be comfortable being the guy to go after Bernie. And ironically, if you if you ask people in Iowa who's their second show, if their first choice is burning who's your second choice by so it actually is in his political. Benefit to go after any comes Biden comes in with enough of political foundation. I mean, he's he has supported Napoles. He's presumably it's going to have enough money to go the distance here. He has enough of a foundation where if you goes after Bernie, it's not a suicide mission. I don't think it's like Gephardt dean the activists in two thousand four when Gephardt decided to be the kamikaze candidate against Howard Dean, Allah, Chris Christie against Marco Rubio sort of clear the field, they take each other out. Right. It worked for John Kerry. But not for Dick Gephardt or work for the party. That's John Kerry. And just like what Chris Christie did a Rubio worked for Donald Trump and got Chris Christie that plummets signed. Oh, never mind. Transition chairman for one day didn't that didn't go. So well, what is Biden going to do we think he will come in and basically grab the front runner mantle. I mean, if you're already the front runner, I kinda think you should and just accept it and bring on the Aero's but Biden's never front runner before. I'm not sure how he avoids it this time check. But it's a really tough place to be especially for the length of time that this campaign now demands, and I think the question everyone's asking about Biden's campaign, whether his first day running his best day on the trail, or whether he's able to figure out a way to keep kind of that that moment him and that he needs a foil. This is why I think he needs a foil on can't just be Trump the challenge, I think is that you know. I mean, you call Bernie part of the new left. I would actually disagree Bernie's old love. You know, who's inspired the new left though, he is God. I would I take your point. But he is the godfather of the new left ANC is an Bernie acolyte, right? That's that's absolutely true. However, AO see is an from the up and coming kind of coalition of the ascendant. She's young she's Hispanic. She's you know, all of these things that Bernie, frankly is not. And what was it about Bernie that inspired comparisons, for example to Trump? Why was he cheered at the Fox News town hall for his Medicare for all proposals? It's the AFL CIO version of the white working class Democratic Party, and that's Biden's constituency too. So I don't totally understand how Biden, and I think the polling reflects that. Right. That first second choice thing that you're talking about. So how does Bernie Bernie Sanders attack? I'm sorry, Joe Biden attack Bernie Sanders without potentially alienating the very people that he needs. I think it's a very tough way to go here you, but he can't win it without it. And what happens? For example, if Biden and tries to make Bernie his foil, but Pete Buddha as and beta work are trying to make Biden his foil, and you have generational debate going on while. There's also this debate over socialism, the new left, the old left, whatever you wanna call it. And how is Biden torn in two different directions that could get really messy really fast, so Biden and Bernie right now or the. Only anybody would disagree. They're they're number one. Number two, mostly Biden is one in most polls. It's a few states were Bernie slightly ahead of him. I think Wisconsin at a poll that Gioberney abide Biden, but they're one to every poll, and then there's a bit of a gap. If if I say to your final four this week, our Bernie and Biden who are the other two Democrats that you put in the final four right now that you'd say, okay. Here's the top four burning Biden one to. Who's three four right now, comma Harrison people to judge as my answer to that. I agree. Yes. There's no, wow. Nobody else should have competing for that fourth spot. Not right. This very moment. I think I tend to agree. And it's interesting to me that it already feels like there's a bit of a gap between sort of those four candidates. I'd put Beto in there too. Because he's got the finance financing Buddhist at sort of a little bit here. I feel like he's a lot of the energy. I feel like Buddha. Judges is sort of a more well formed Beto get. I mean, what if Beto had thought about this for a year? One of my might be people to one of my sources described it as p p to judges in the same space as work, but people which is actually done the work. Here's this moment. Yeah. Ready for this intellectual rigor behind the buddhis- campaign behind what he's saying that you don't see form yet self driven so much better work was because he wasn't Ted Cruz right in that Senate race. That's a big part of the reason why. A lot of base voters were very excited to get out and try to beat him. I mean, a lot of that money poured in from all over the country outside of Texas for that reason, you know, people to judge has risen on the strength of his own strategy. But also performance in all in all of these interviews. I have two am sure you've had this conversation too. There is no bigger contrast on a debate stage that I can come up with and people to Donald Trump, and I've talked to other reporters who all sit there and say, I can visualize Sanders. Trump. I think we could I visualized by Trump. I can digitalize Comal Trump that oh Trump. How is Trump gonna handle which that's what I can't not had anybody? Like, I know. I mean, you can envision how he how Trump would try to take on Kamla Harris and how adroit and racist. That's exactly right with Pete Bush as I mean. It. You're like our gotta see this. I want like I'd like to just go into a time machine. I just wanna war game it, I'm not we're not putting our fingers on this. I just wanna I wanna know. I can see that in some one of our multi versus. Yeah. I do think that the main question there is just how ugly would something like that get and to fill starting to get when Randall Terry I thought that guy had been sort of politically buried sort of one of these like an older version of our politics. Randall Terry was one of these anti abortion rights activists who would use. It was the first one to use the gruesome imagery is basically now, of course, that that stuff's been mainstream. I think right, okay. Can shock people anymore up on the president's Twitter. Exactly. So that's no longer is shocking as it used to be. But the fact that Randall Terry has decided to to troll Pete boot 'age, I think it's a reminder. There is an extreme fringe religious movement that could be st-. Stirred up by boot 'age? But you watch what happened in Iowa with those protesters and judges handling it with such calm and poise and you wonder if he's really appealing to the sort of moderate masses and making those protests elements, Randall Terry's appear more and more fringe, just by the way, he handles it. Have you guys noticed that three of the four candidates are white men are up for what we make it? Well, yes, I think the most diverse interesting field in the history of of the Democratic Party. All of a sudden we find ourselves narrow down to. It's the top three candidates are white men right now. Sorry Comal because it's really still extraordinarily difficult to run as a woman in this country for reasons that we both understand in our overt, and that are also hard to wrap your heads around. And I know that there certainly is a lot of frustration. Among the women longtime activists political operatives in the party around the attention to gap, really and the coverage gap particularly around Beto aerobic, and there's even some some difficult conversations happening about people digest, well, and clearly he's had a lot to deal with in his life. And you know, nobody wants to minimize what it's like to be that kind of minority, and what it means to, you know, LGBT use and people to be able to see somebody like that rise. But I think there's also some some frustration among women operatives, and, you know, people who've been watching this for a long time that why is it that we can't accept women? Who are you know, trying to present themselves as ambitious it's extraordinarily frustrating. Go ahead. Phil to that point. You know, a prominent woman operative in the Democratic Party was on Twitter. The other day saying why is everybody focused on Pete Buddha, speaking, eight foreign languages, and nobody talks about Kirsten gillibrand being fluent Mandarin. I mean did news. So leeann Caldwell and near attendant on Fridays. Meet the press daily leeann called will brought up an interesting anecdote that she ran across an Iowa. She said she heard from women couple of women voters who said they they really they think the country's ready for a woman president and I'm hoping quoting her, right? My polish Vanna, but I don't wanna I don't wanna see a woman go up against Trump again. And I was an and I was waiting for near as reaction. I thought she would jump out of a wall inches. Like, I've heard that too that there's this fear. And I that in Casey, the fear goes like this because I've heard it at home and the fear goes like this. A second woman loses to Trump, and I'm not gonna see a woman president in my lifetime. That's the fear. I've heard at home I had I haven't thought about it in those terms. But that that does make sense. And I think that has been one of these underlying conversations is that, you know, it's it's unspoken with voters, but they're having it. It's hard to say. It's an unspoken coversation, but. He'll awkward saying it out loud. Right. I mean because it's a difficult conversation to have. But you know, the question is if the number one goal is to be Donald Trump are there things about the realities of being female candidate that make it inherently harder to beat a candidate Trump. And that may be the case and things be true. The country's ready for a woman president. Yes. But Trump is not the person that the Democrats auto. I think that sentiments vary. A woman there to the issue in my friend circle. I have a few women who are professionals their lawyers. They're progressive in their mid thirties. And they've they now feel like they cannot get behind a woman this time around because they're afraid Trump would beat another woman, and they wanna find a male candidate so anecdotal. But it's real in this to me gets it. I know it's easy to beat the press up over this. Casey. Right. But this is it's it's more complicated than just press. Coverage. It is more complicated than press coverage. I mean, and you have to remember that you know, when we're doing. Our jobs correctly. We are reflecting the conversations that other people are having not a conversation that we're just having among ourselves. I think we undercover this issue in two thousand sixteen for fear of looking sexist. I did I was well aware of the anger and hatred of their middle America, Hillary Clinton. Yeah. There was nobody else. There was Donald Trump for prison. Displays on front yards. Did anybody see them? How often did you see Hillary Clinton for prison? Displays on front yard outside of a major metropolitan area viewer. Major metropolitan you didn't see it you to Pennsylvania. And you'd see them all over the place. There was a sentiment there that we under reported. I think for fear of being called sexist. I know I it was because it's it's hard in the cable news social media environment. Sometimes to report the nuance of how complicated this is with some voters. It's extraordinarily complicated. And it's extraordinarily real. And I. Think not acknowledging that it is still harder for a woman to run for president in this country is simply being blind to all of the clues. They're right in front of our eyes. You know, I was talking to Amy klobuchar New Hampshire a few weeks ago, and she was very careful in how she chose her words, and our interview, and I certainly don't want to put my words in her mouth. But she essentially when I asked her about the difference between her and Beddoe, and I was trying to get her to go after about a rock a little bit. She didn't really wanna take the bait. But what she did say was that all of the women that are in this race have had really tough jobs because they didn't feel like they were going to be taken seriously as presidential candidates until they took on tough job. She was like I've been a prosecutor, you know, then a Senator at cetera et cetera, and the sort of next step of that is to say if it was a woman Thirty-seven-year-old mayor from a small town, south bend, Indiana. Who was gay and veteran what does that look like to us? Do we ever even give it a chance to be taken seriously? And I think, you know, the the the women candidates that are out there on the field are very. Very impressive people all of them. And they all are having a tougher time. Phil records not lost on people that. You know, it's not lost forgoing people. It's not lost on my wife when she said. Yeah. I could see this country electing a gay man before a woman. Yeah. It's not at all. They already elected a black man before woman the like the game. I mean and vote before women in this country. I mean that is a we we forget that fact, I it is we're barely at one hundred years that women had the right the boat. Yeah. And the incredible thing to think about too is just how much power there has been among women voters activists out in the country member of the women's March the day after Trump's inauguration, and that energy powered the Democrats to the house majority. And yet there are still these doubts about whether whether this country will will truly elect a woman president to be clear. I don't wanna take away anything from the African American experience. Clearly, don't even parable one in our history. But the reality in terms of equality in positions of power is that women are very very far. It's just easier to be a man, regardless. Of your race sometimes on positions of power again. Just as you said, you know, try being a black man in America today. It's not easy. So we're not going to. But the point is. Yeah. The election results are the electri- four. I leave it for I moved to a new a new topic of the fundraising reports are their candidacies that you're sitting there going, maybe they they won't make the debate stage. Yeah. A number honestly. One of the most surprising reports to me was Kirsten gillibrand Senator from New York that is a big state a big money state that low that low show she's single she explained it to she basically blamed it on Franken. Yeah. And in and in some ways the Clintons without saying. Well, yes, for sure. And I mean, we're talking about women in politics. Let's take another example of why hits are to be a woman in politics. She sticks stand about sexual harassment against one of her colleagues. And now she can't raise enough money to to run for president because they all liked him. More than they have enough popularity content. Yeah. I honestly, I agree with Phil. I think that's the one that, you know, the sort of best example of somebody who you know, we would've thought has a high profile office has been preparing for this for a long time. And you know, may not succeed the other person I put up Castro when you think about the amount of coverage got when he was the keynote, and this was somebody. He was he was picked to be the next the first whatever you wanted to call it. But he was he was anointed. And this is probably the problem. Right check. Well, that's an excellent point. All right. We'll leave twenty twenty there. You're listening to Chuck Todd guests from meet the press. My guests are Phil Rucker from Washington Post Casey hunt? All right, Casey. I wanna bring it a little closer to your beat which is congress immigration. And where do we go from here because we know the president clearly is going to the immigration issue is a campaign issue for him. Whether it's resolved or not. Is not the issue. We know that for him. But there is a point that Senate Republicans are clearly very slowly. But the level of patients continues to wear white day by day moment by moment. Yes. The truth with the president and Senate Republicans has always been that they can't live without him. But they also can't live with him. They can't live without him on the campaign trail because they wanna hang onto their seats, and he is incredibly popular with all of their voters, but they can't live with him in this governing sense. And there's a there are many many reasons for that whether they are policy driven or simply the nature in which he goes about negotiating or not these deals. I mean, the number of times when we have thought there was something that was going to go to the floor and pass in a certain day because congress had gotten a deal, and then the president turns out actually has yanked his support at the very last second because he had another phone call with someone that, you know, fill is then reporting out who that was and explaining to us. You know, why it is the deal fell apart? Pennsylvania. It wasn't meant to be a deal disaster. And so the reality honestly, looking at as I look at kind of the next few months, and I know you're talking about this in the context of the immigration conversation. I don't think we have anything major except when we face points of fiscal brinksmanship, and we know that Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi, at least McConnell is reached out to Pelosi on trying to strike a deal, but the president is the big wild card there. And he's got another opportunity to push this when the government potential shutdown will. Will which was going to say when are so the next time that he will probably he seems to not care if they're shutdowns because he he he looks at it when you're when you're trading ranges, forty two forty five. And if you shut down the government, you're at forty and if you don't shut that the government your forty five what he care, right? If you wanna make a larger point. Yeah. I think he tweeted just earlier today that Peter Baker pointed out this president is never for a day and his president been popular with more people than he hasn't. It's it's an unbelievable stat. It's it's it's wild. And it does show you what his incentives are around governing. But he is going to return to immigration again. And again, and again until November of twenty twenty because he sees this. That's the one issue that galvanizes his base that ties these people together that bonds them with him. And to the extent he can show that he's pushing and pushing and fighting and fighting, and and if he's being blocked on Capitol Hill, that's all the better for him. You know, this is his issue in his mind. Well, it is the core defining issue of the movement. Not the quarter finding issue of Donald Trump. But it is the core defining issue of the movement. That is become Trump. Steve Bannon was attracted Trump not for the person. But for the fact that he was a magnet for what Steve Bannon cares about which is this this cultural nationalism, you know, war that we're about to have over over sovereignty. Yeah. I mean, I think that's that's absolutely right. And you know, the the president clearly seems to believe that he is one on this issue. And so far we have not seen evidence that crossing this is winning. What does it help? What this is winning. Right. What is losing look like because he lost the house. So would losing he has to lose the house in the Senate and the presidency from to realize this is not a good issue. Didn't really. Right. Like, I don't. I mean, forty wasn't enough at Missouri. I want the Senate like that. He does he's convinced that that's what one the Senate. He is. And I think if you talk to Republican senators who held on you know, they may not necessarily disagree with him. Or I'm sorry to the Democrats who lost, you know. I mean, they they are this is why this issue is such a tricky place for Democrats to be in the president knows it. I mean, they have to him talking about this this way and the left reacting to it in the visceral and justifiably motion manner that that they react to it with it puts moderate Democrats in a difficult spot. And that's what the president hoping for the problem for Trump is look at that electoral college map and the states that he's going to need to win again to win reelection, Pennsylvania. But especially look at Michigan and Wisconsin, those are not necessarily states where this sort of hard line, conservative immigration agenda is going to be a winning argument. And sure of that. I don't know if I tend to I I actually think that that's why he won Michigan that that's why he won Wisconsin is at the rural parts of those of those. I mean, look, they're more. They're more afraid of the Browning of America than Republicans and text they are afraid of that. But they were also drawn him for these economic arguments for the trade arguments for the feeling that he was going to be a fighter to their communities. So you really sure that I you know, what I mean people say trade was really just code for race. It could have been a code for race. It probably was a code for race for a lotta people. But I guess what I'm getting at is. Those are not the states. Where 'immigration is is the biggest issue, you see him Gration more in some of these redder states were Trump's more comfortable, but to the these close margin states, I think Trump's gonna need more than the immigration message to pull those voters back to you can look at you know, the way that that members of congress from those districts act and talk to kind of get a read on whether it is the kind of place where you know, they want an Coulter doing a rally and being from Michigan. I tend to agree with Phil that what they're looking for is kind of that forsaken golden era of America. And certainly there are some voters for whom that means a wider America. But you know, if you're talking about a state like Michigan in the industrial midwest, it's a time when you had a great union job at the plant, and I think that Trump tapped into that sentiment. And when you listen to people to actually has one of the better answers, I've ever heard on this from a democratic perspective is that how do you speak to those voters who are not kind of the hardcore Trump as we're going to be motivated by all those dog whistles and not so dog whistles just straight up. You know statements that he makes from the people who voted for Obama before because they wanted that hope and feel as though they're left behind, and if Democrats don't speak to those people, and I think they're in large numbers across the upper midwest. Trump's money was shockingly mediocre. I it was less than what Obama raised from at this point in time of his reelect less w the contribution limits are higher and he's been working at it longer. And even the cash on hand, total was was was surprisingly just on par is just just them burning spending a lot of expensive days at Trump properties. Which then cost the campaign a lot of money. I mean, it that is it is amazing. How much either money they're wasting? They raise some eighty million in the first two years, and it's basically gone. Yeah. They spent through that money really quickly. It looked like a big total compared to the democratic totals because the democratic members were so low, but thirty five million I think thirty is really not that much and and Trump's gonna have to get to work. He's not actually done a lot of fundraising himself those big shots. I think that's what will there. They don't like him. He doesn't like to travel to these events. When he does them. They tend to be at mar-a-lago down in Florida. But he's not working the circuit the way Obama did he would make multiple trips out west, you know, hidden Seattle, Chicago, all the big cities and Trump you just you see laziness there in the fundraising side. Sure. And I'm sure that's going to pick up his his campaign. Fultz know weirdly surprised he's lazy about fundraising 'cause it's other people's money. He loves other people's money. That's number one. And number two. It's people pretending they love him. Like, I just I think would think that the dream place for Donald Trump is at a fundraiser where people are sucking up to him ending cash. I don't mean to be that the, but I mean, this is what Donald Trump lips for other people's people hinting him money and people telling them, it's great. But he sauce ask for it. That might be is that what it is. He doesn't wanna have to make the call. Better than I do. But the psychology of Donald Trump does not want to ask a favor for anybody. He doesn't want to ask you what to do. Do you need a ride? Do you need a ride? Do you need a totally totally. He offered me rides on his plane and he's dead serious. And you're like, no, sir. It's not appropriate to be in a position where you're asking for money. Means you need the money, and he would never acknowledge that right, right? He's worth what ten billion dollars allegedly? I am Asterix check. I don't have the NRA total sitting here in front of me. But where are these Republicans that usually fund the Republican party where they get their money? Then I give them their money to Donald Trump. They're giving it to their Senate candidates and to a lesser extent. Their house candidates. That's the priority. I want to close with what I think is. The most Trump era development that we could come up with. And that is the mainstreaming of the Ford is my favorite little nugget in actually this week. Thanks. There's a bestselling what is the name of the book be make sure you get it right here. I pulled it up because which has been sitting on the best seller list. I think the book is called the subtle art of not giving a counter intuitive approach to living good life on. It's been sitting apparently in the New York Times bestseller list for quite some time. Not a big fan of the self help genre. So I missed. Of the F word. You're also a gen xer. So we have a little bit of distinction. Okay. The word just is is happening. Yes. I like, I I'm I'm constantly terrified. I'm accidentally going to say it on television. Because just a word we all use. You don't hear it out of President Trump's mouth, very often. But he uses it all the time. Talking to aids all the time. I'm one of his favorite words. But I'm with the folks at axios, which is if we mainstream this word how de-emphasized point anymore. I mean, how do you really denote? You know, if we just mainstream boy, we're really aft now, and we just mainstream that then what are we doing? We're really aft Buddha. Judge dropped it at the end of a New York magazine that's completely casually. And but that's use it people under the age of forty. What is the next word? God, I don't even want to know. What would you? What would you use if interesting? Yeah, we're trying to get. We're trying on one him being more, politically, correct. All the time. And on the other hand, we're mainstream and the F word. Thanks. Well, I believe the new word is it is fucked F U C T is how you pronounce that. That is another thing. That is right. We say that will that is like duct tape. This is fucked tape. Correct. We're not millennial enough. I didn't know that. No, no, no. I'm wrong. I'm really I'm really freaking out producer producer Matt here. But, but it was it's something you get it up here. Seven second year. This whole FCAT. Oh, this is the supreme court case over the company, the copyrights, the company is called fucked F U C K you pronounce the t. Well, so where does the supreme? I guess the question, and I haven't I can the F word. Right. Right. So do we still have rules around obscene speech, does the supreme court dictate that our use of words, such I mean, I guess they do in the FCC and kind of our broadcast rules that we follow on the non podcast sides. Don't even know I assumed George Carlin wouldn't have a routine anymore for those of you don't know, George Carlin is go ahead and Google. But it was the seven words you can't say on television. And apparently you can say anywhere else in kind of falling one at a time. Right. President uses the s I can't keep it stroke, which ones I'm allowed to say in which ones I'm not the D word is used all the time. And I used to think that was something you didn't say, and I see people dropping to you know. I I again, I don't know which ones I'm allowed to say which ones I'm not. Well, if you're talking about game of thrones. The battle of the bastards is just a description of a war seeing I'm really testing them. And. All the time to describe people to decide I am just covering the news. If you have to cover the supreme court, you were completely fucked this week because of this company. Well, we don't cover the supreme court. So we're lucky there. Right. I'm about to talk with Stuart Stevens. You guys both covered Romney. He's he was the most colorful character on Romney campaign. A really smart guy who's been out in the wilderness in the Trump era. So he looks like he's starting to get back into that. Literally. In canada. You know, acquiring Bill the client. Yeah. But as a smart political while his other half works potentially for Larry HOGAN, Maryland. Well, how about that? Well, there you go. So maybe ticket weld HOGAN. Well, he goes Casey hunt, though, Rucker thanks for. Playing with me on the on the seven words, you can say a podcast. Thanks. Thank you. If you see t. That's what it means to me. On monday. Former Massachusetts Governor Bill weld announced that he is challenging President Trump for the twenty twenty Republican nomination. And joining me now is Bill wells longtime off and on political adviser and somebody knows a thing or two presidential campaign. Stuart stevens. Those of you for quick quick prep session here strategist for mitt Romney's twenty twelve campaign. He and he's been working on his own here, by the way, he left his firm officially his firm is actually working with Maryland governor, Larry HOGAN, also is considering a Republican nomination run. But he's left the firm to work on while. These also one of the more interesting guys, I've come across in my thirty years covering politics, because he's he's equal parts political strategists the story in an author and just sort of cultural zeitgeist guy, he's written books about travel college football, a comedic novel about politics, and in one of the more unique pieces I've ever read in journalism two thousand three wrote a story for outside magazine about cycling and performance enhancing drugs in which it took PD's and wrote about what would happen. So Mr Stevens the renaissance man of American politics. Our you I'm fine. I probably should have never quit. What did you quit through? Yeah. Oh, you shouldn't you shouldn't have quitted a magazine performance. No performance enhancing drugs. I often wish to the refrigerator was full of him. But if not. So James Carville once said, you don't you don't running for presidents like sex. You don't just do it once apparently working on presidential campaigns is pretty much the same thing. What's dragged you back into presidential politics and unday herculean task of trying to out Donald Trump? Well. Well, you know, as you mentioned, Chuck, I this long time. Relationship with governor weld. I went to work for him in nineteen eighty nine when he was a super long show. We couldn't even get on the ballot at the Republican state convention in Massachusetts. I think you only needed like twenty percent had to go the petition route and. Why? He won a won that primary in a big up. He was too liberal. He was too liberal for that state convention, right? As I because of abortion back, then was and is a lot of social stances, but he won the Republican nomination, obviously. And then was the first Republican elected in twenty years when he beat John Silber. So I didn't, you know, reelected with the largest margin over so I just love the so somebody that you would Meyer like that runs for president in its if he would have me I told him I'd love to. Well. It's interesting that you view it as a you are for some money. You are not necessarily. Doing this because you're against somebody. So this really is about your personal nation while more than anything else. I just did mine so much. He's what we want in a public servant, not to get our corny and meaningful. But it's true. And you know, the contrast with Donald Trump is a significance before you was elected governor will cut his made his bones as a US attorney breaking up a democrat clinical machine, Massachusetts. I mean, he was he was sort of Eliot Ness crimefighter hundred ten out of a hundred eleven convictions. Perfect contrast to Donald Trump who seems to be in him campaign sees investigative every federal agency except maybe alcohol, tobacco and firearms. That might be coming. What? How do you run a campaign against Donald Trump that just doesn't set yourself such yourself up to become the president of New Hampshire? This was sort of a running gag. I had with one of these other Republicans that I've had a conversation with off the record. And I said you could become the president of New Hampshire in this. But I don't know how you win anything any of the other forty nine states. So I present the same question to you. I understand the New Hampshire path. I don't understand any other path. Well, if you and I have been talking in two thousand fifteen about the arts, Donald Trump would be the next president. We probably would see path for that either. I certainly, I know the Donald Trump. Yeah. But we're gonna live Donald Trump for the rest of our lives. Aren't we? I found it how these things start isn't. Usually how the end up. It's a question. You know, when you look at sort of. What was a Reagan Republican, which is really what I think they'll welded. But with the principles that define that character counts, personal responsibility. Strong national debt that really mattered strong on Russia. Pro immigration. Ronald Reagan announced in front of the statue of liberty of nineteen eighty that. I think that the Bill will much more in that Republican mainstreet stores. You just you just listed seven things Donald Trump's against Jackley. So I wanna make sure wasn't an accident. No. So the question is have Republicans decided that all of those virtues and traits that they a spouse and fault for and so that we believe in deeply for decades. Have we abandoned them or if given an alternative of someone who presents and represents those values? Rather than a binary choice of vote for Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton. Will they be drawn to it? So that's that's the choice for Republicans. We're going to see one of the things one of the reasons why I've. I've considered you more than a source that somebody that that if we lived in more often in the same town. I think we had real college football to follow here in the Washington area. We'd we'd probably be closer friends is that you do care about character. You do sort of look at it from value judgment of your own perspective. Why do you think so many Republicans? That you and I know very well. And I mean, I'm not talking about the rank and file, but the elected Republicans have had this same emphasis on character that you have it baffles me in people often say well, look at what happened with Bill Clinton. You know, you shouldn't care about what happens with Donald Trump. I cared about it when it happened. Actually, I'm of the reverse. I'm angrier today about Clinton part of me, angry let you know, we really messed up during the Clinton years din wing, we create this is the did Clinton creek. Give us Trump. I'm one of those people that does connect. Well, you know in two thousand when I worked on the Bush campaign pretty much the only we made a lot of ads pretty much the only thing that ever worked restoring honored to the White House. I mean, if you go back it's remarkable that the that then governor Bush was even in that race on election day, consumer confidence was high level ever since we recorded that on election day, but you are running against allegory you'll running against Bill Clinton's character. Right. It's actually, no. And it was a affirmation that that what happened in the White House in the character matter. I don't I don't know. Why Republicans more Republicans aren't trouble by I think a lot of them are. I mean, you, and I know that a lot of people. Talk about Donald Trump off to record in two thousand you get burned out in that. Are you getting tired of hearing that I'm tired of hearing people? Tell me how much the wringing their hands off the record. About it. Now, they've got a choice. They can they can help. You know in two thousand sixteen I went out really for the first time and did a lot of public stuff talking about Donald Trump. And I'd say about a third of the Republican party elected officials offered if people donors were emailing me thanking me saying this is great. I wish I could say that right up to about nine o'clock election. In Florida came through Florida turned red all of a sudden. Shutting these Yvonne deleting that EBay will do. So I don't know. I feel the same way I felt at eight o'clock. Yeah. So. I don't I don't know. And I think it's corrosive. I think it's a short while from Donald Trump to the RNC endorsing ROY Moore. Once you start where do you at? And it's it's just very very hasn't been proven. I mean, that's what happened. They did ROY Moore didn't that that is exactly what what happened. What what is the second term of Trump due to us? What do you think on character? I think it sends a terrible message to the country, but particularly to younger generations. If if we don't we can't look to the presidency and believe that it represents aspirational the best, of course, all president flood. We know that. But in question of what they represent what they spire with a valid? I think it's a it's terribly corrosive. And it's not just a character just constant attack on the institutions of democracy. You know, my dad was an SBA. And I it breaks my heart to see this attack on the BI, by the way this. You're dead was probably an FBI agent back when they used to get attacked over Hoover. When there really was some corruption happening, and they cleaned it up. Right is just you know, we we were the law and order party affirmed this law enforcement 'institutions country. So we're tacking the judiciary when it doesn't agree with this all of a sudden, a judge from Indiana is a Mexican because he is Hispanic heritage in has a ruling the Donald Trump might not like, I think that that's just terrifically destructive. I think it's it's toxic. If it goes on, and it it's sort of gives a sign that. The 'have yer that we know to be unacceptable at every other level of life. You can never act this way on a sports game. You can never act this way in a classroom. You could never act as way in a business that it is. Okay. If you're president act this way, I think it's a it's it's it really throws damage the soul of the country. What do you make the what you're watching on the democratic side of the aisle and that presidential race because weird way you actually are competing? You'll they'll be somebody you're competing with for votes in that New Hampshire. Primary the very because because independent because independence just to remind. People listening independence in New Hampshire literally can pick a pick pick a ballot on election day. Democrats Republicans Bill Bradley, arguably lost in Hampshire primary two thousand because John McCain surged at the very end or Bill Bradley might have been the nominee in two thousand. I've often said that Bill Bradley, John McCain, not only beat George Bush. He beat Bill, Bradley, right? You know, I can. Argue this to wage one. I could say that is in all likelihood in Hampshire. There's going to be a tumultuous loud. Interesting democratic primary unless people decide that the Bernie Sanders has locked up and they just give pass away. They did the Iowa with Harkin ninety two probably that won't happen. And that that has appeal to independent voters picking democratic nominee. But it also will be the first time that you see Donald Trump's name on a ballot next to someone else. And I think that the. For those who believe in a different vision of the country different kind of leadership. Who not only don't like Donald Trump? But just affirm something that we can ever more positive is the idea of walking into a voting booth and being able to see Donald Trump and dill will invoke some Bill will I think is going to be a powerful lower. To a lot of independent a lot of Republicans. We forget Donald Trump got what low thirties in the in the Republican primary new, you know, so it was seventy percent or so Republicans in New Hampshire on election day who shopping for another candidate. So I think that the the markets for it. And it will candidate for it. I mean, he he he's gonna go out there doing what you do do in house for Easter on a room for Bill weld and Larry HOGAN or if Larry HOGAN wants to get in the conversation. No, I think it would be terrific governor HOGAN ran I think having a robust primary would be great for the party in great for the country. I mean, we're Republicans. We used to say this thing that competition was good like doing believe that or not. I mean who wants to walk into a store and see one brand choices choices crate, and it makes everybody better would benefit it. So I have no idea what governor HOGAN snaky, but he's been just an incredible government and. You know, there's it's interesting when you look at this group of northeastern governors, you have Phil Scott, Vermont, Charlie Begum, Massachusetts, Larry HOGAN. You don't they're they're selling in really difficult markets, really difficult markets. So normally Republicans always savings to run run government like a business a business would look at these guys and say, you know, they are overperforming in our toughest market. What can we learn? Right. If Republicans could win Massachusetts, Maryland or even Vermont the presidential race. It was rewrite to hold that. But instead the party just seems to treat them best with benign neglect and northern. Any of Larry HOGAN won this a tremendous reelection same Bill. Well, do so it's it's really baffling. Why the party isn't looking? Why didn't why didn't you take world and run as the libertarian nominee? This year. Yeah. I think. Bill. Phil wells, always been a Republican ran with Gary Johnson sort of unique set of circumstances. When ideologically very libertarian like when it comes to social issues small guy, you know, that sort of thing he's a he's been that model, but. Someone who was in the rate and Justice apartments appointed by Ronald Reagan. He's been a Republican. I think when he entered that race with Gary Johnson time when Hillary Clinton was going to be the nominee in like, Donald Trump was going to be the nominee. And he felt that there could be a better choice. So what do you make what do you? What do you make our chil-? I don't know much about how to be honest think there's room that candidacy if it saying don't, I don't maybe I'm wrong wrong. All the time. But I just don't see how him running how independent can get two to seven. Right. You know, I can have a couple of beers and say how independent could end up getting more votes. But if you think about it probably gonna spend that whole campaign beating up Democrats and Republicans because you're an independent, you don't get to seventy and he goes to the house. So these Democrats Republicans spent a year beating up again both. Yeah. I think they're going to vote for the Democratic Republic. Stuart Stevens apologies there. Right. At the end a little bit of technical difficulty here. With are interesting with our interesting app that we were trying to use for good remote recording. But just trust me. One more Stewart's even go read the last season, a father, a son and a lifetime of college football. The man's a big SEC fan. God love them omiss too. Rough program to have to be a fan of I'm just teasing Stewart. But hey, I get the last word on this. 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Day 1,223: Biden blasts mask averse Trump as a 'fool' as U.S. deaths near 100,000

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Day 1,223: Biden blasts mask averse Trump as a 'fool' as U.S. deaths near 100,000

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We've been on the precipice of that gruesome benchmark of one hundred thousand deaths in this country as of this hour. Ninety nine thousand six hundred thirty eight Americans have died of the corona virus. All the lives lost have been lost in twelve weeks time and amid the loss the president remains focused on moving the country further along on what he likes to call reopening and today predicted. We would soon see breakthroughs in treatment. Think we're going to have therapeutic remedies. I think we're GONNA have vaccines very shortly. I've been saying it very shortly. I think I'll be proven correct. We're safely reopening country. While aggressively protecting the vulnerable meantime the presumptive Democratic nominee. Joe Biden did weigh in on the pandemic death toll this afternoon with his own assessment of trump's response hundred thousand deaths hundred thousand deaths at least thirty five thousand fifty thousand were avoidable but for lack of attention and Ego Columbia studies showing that we could have. If you just started a week earlier going to save thousands of lives. These are these. This is a tragedy former vice president interviewed by Dana Bash on CNN earlier today trump did seek to defend his handling of the virus even amid this escalating death toll quote. If I hadn't done my job well and early we would have lost one and a half to two million people as opposed to the one hundred thousand plus. That looks like we'll be the number. That's fifteen to twenty times more than we will lose. I acted very quickly and made the right decisions even as we try to get back to life as we knew it Kobe. Nineteen cases are tonight in the rise. In those red states. There are over a dozen of them. The entire southeast has become its own. Hotspot this holiday weekend. Large crowds gathered at a number of places across our country including of the ozarks in Missouri. Where officials have had to warn those who visited. Lake of the ozarks to quarantine for two weeks or until they have tested negative for the virus. Now that they're back home at the White House. Trump was asked for his reaction to the scene. I'm sure you saw the images from over the weekend of people out on Memorial Day weekend. They were crowding. Pools crowding boardwalks. Do you have any message for those people always be safe. You WANNA be safe. We're opening up but you want to be safe. Meanwhile the CDC offering new and updated guidance on antibody test to us to discover. If someone has already had the virus recovered the agency says the test might be wrong up to half the time and that they're not accurate enough to us to make important policy decisions like whether to return to work or school all but ignored amid the noise this weekend. The President President called for schools to reopen though parents school districts and the calendar get to determine that even amid the continuing health crisis. Trump is ramping up another giant distraction using missed truths and made up assertions to try to discredit voting by mail in our country. Why should somebody who is afraid of getting corona virus going to public places standing in line etc? Why should they not? Why should they not be allowed to to mail in when you do all mail in voting ballots you're asking for fraud people steal them out of mailboxes? People printed them and then they sign them and they give him in that. The people don't even know what they're double-counted people take away. They force people to vote they harvest. You know what harvesting is they take many many ballots and they put them all together and then they just dump them and nobody has any idea whether they're crooked or not. We're not gonNA destroy this country by allowing things like that to happen. We're not destroying country. This has more to do with an honesty and really our country itself because when that starts happening you don't have a fair. You have a rig system you have a rigged system no evidence to support any of those contentions trump also has been spreading falsehoods on social media. Although starting late this afternoon twitter started adding links to fact. Check the post by the president. Tonight trump responded with this accusation quote. Twitter is now interfering in the two thousand presidential election. Twitter is completely stifling. Free speech and I as president will not allow it to happen. Finally there's this exchange at the White House today. It touches on several topics. It nicely sums up the president's thinking and his choice of words on the topic of face coverings for starters but also trump's continued public trafficking in a debunked conspiracy theory involving a host on this network. Mr President to questions about a couple of things. You've tweeted about in the last few days where you meaning to criticize Vice President Biden for wearing a mask yesterday. And can you explain why you've been tweeting about a conspiracy theory that has been proven to not be true? Nobody can wear a mask but he was standing outside with his wife. Perfect conditions perfect weather there inside. They don't wear masks and so I thought it was very unusual that he had one on but I thought that was fine. I was in criticizing him at all. Why would I ever do a thing like that? And your second question was I couldn't hear you. Can you take it up because I cannot speak louder because you WANNA be politically correct? Had NO SIR. Just one or the The second question was about your tweets about the woman who died who. You're suggesting that Joe Scarborough was responsible. A lot of people suggest that and Hopefully someday people are going to find out certainly very suspicious situation. Very Sad. Very sad and very suspicious question. Please asked you not to tweet. The president will. Have you seen the letter that was written by her husband? Begging twitter to delete your tweets talking about how hard it's been for his family for him to deal with them sure that ultimately they want to get to the bottom of it and it's a very serious situation. I also saw a clip with With Joe and Imus where they were having a lot of fun at her expense and I thought it was totally inappropriate. Now it's very suspicious thing and help somebody gets to the bottom of it. It'll be a very good thing is you know there's no statute of limitations so it would be a very good very good thing to do. That's how conspiracy theories get perpetuated here for our leadoff discussion on a Tuesday night Phil Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning White House. Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with his post colleague Carolina the bestseller a very stable genius Robert Costa National Political Reporter for the Washington Post also happens to be moderator of Washington Week on PBS and Dr Kavita Patel former senior aide in the Obama White House advising on Health Reform Financial Regulatory Reform and economic recovery issues also happens to be a clinical physician and among our medical contributors and Dr Indeed. I would like to begin with you in your line of work. Do you look for and almost predict hotspots that stem from large gatherings? Let's take lake of the ozarks a place where I've been many times and have enjoyed many times. It draws people from all over Missouri parts of Kansas and other places as well are there now worries that the people who were together if among them was one positive case about where they went home to and who they've had contact with absolutely Brian. It is actually a kind of a classic equation for public health crisis crowded spaces even though you're outside where the air circulation is obviously better. You're still kinda close connected and if you're talking to each other which they clearly were even shouting you can have respiratory droplets and and it's not just one person to one as you alluded to. It's one to several. Which is exactly what we're afraid of. We know this virus is pretty infectious. So it's a setup for disaster. Unfortunately just sets a precedent. Brian this is okay. And we want people to reopen and come out safely. But that's the key words safely and I think consistency is key masks hand hygiene some distance and those pictures. Just violate all of those those dacians and Dr other than the feeling of a sharp blow to the chest to all of us who were born with feelings what is the importance to you of this awful milestone that we may pass into while we're on the air tonight of one hundred thousand souls lost yet now. Thanks for taking the time and it's been important to acknowledge where we are. It's it's not only deeply personal to all of us Americans but especially as healthcare workers. I've had colleagues who have passed and think all of us know somebody was been affected by this and it could have been preventable as I think. Vice President Biden alluded to in. That's probably stings. The most and I I just hope that our country unites and tries to actually do what we can't protect each other. We've been trying for the last three months and I hope we can continue into the summer months Phil Rucker. We heard the president straight up there. say the wearing of masks mask on the part of journalists was political correctness. What of his behavior do you think is directly attributable to this terrible milestone that we are about to pass and are they going to let it pass unmarked at the White House so far Brian it. It has an unmarked at the White House. And we've seen the president about only not really talk about the death toll over time but in fact create other new stories the distract from From the climbing deaths to create other headlines that will draw attention away from the hundred thousand from the debunked conspiracy theory about Joe. Scarborough to the discussion about mass. To some strange comments he made in the Rose Garden today that insulin and whether he himself might take them to any number of of attacks that he launched on twitter over the weekend you know speaks to a president who's under siege and who's not really able to handle this bad news this onslaught of bad news that's continued for the last three or four months as the the number reaches asked one hundred thousand. This week You know telling the see what the president's focus is GonNa be at Florida tomorrow for space. Shuttle Launch Aligned masts spatial company which is exciting and a great visit for the president It is not a way to mark the death toll just for the record the quote about insulin. Today this is from the president quote. I don't use insulin should I be? Then he says I never thought about it. He was later asked about it and had the surgeon general. Come up and in a roundabout way. He later said that a healthy human bodies create their own. Insulin and someone without diabetes would not need to inject it Robert Costa. I don't mean to take you into analysis but was it a given that the wearing of masks and face coverings would be calm not in all places or in all ways yet. Another red and blue issue in this country that question. Brian is also tied to your comment about insulin. Because you see inside of this White House at this moment a politicization of so many different issues. A president who spent April in some ways more focused on the pandemic now is all on his own campaign being told by his aides that the polls don't look good and many swing states and so he's gone from in many of his advisors to have gone from focusing so much on the pandemic focusing on how to revive its presidential campaign prospects and that's changed everything about how this administration respond in terms of making a political and cultural war over the mass and tangling with reporters about it to continuing to reopen. The country encouraged that despite the death toll nearing one hundred thousand and the President. Has Phil said so? Well looking for distractions a different grievances. Different targets anything but talking about the day to day health economic issues that are facing this nation and even the insulin event was political and part. I'm told by my sources in the sense that he was trying to appeal to senior voters with that event because he sees his numbers with senior voters. Going Down Dr Patel indeed. Let's try to put the public back in public health. Where's the information? Why has the Task Force Ben Silent? Are we under vague? Orders to continue mitigation while all hopes are now shifted and focused on vaccine. That's great question one that unfortunately all local officials in states in employers schools. Churches are being forced to try to deal with themselves. We are not getting the clear guidance. We're hearing things like while we hope Americans just stay safe but we need to have just very clear direction and leadership which is exactly what we've been asking for during a crisis. Now you do have. Unfortunately you know governors in adjacent states offering different. On different guidance you have local health authorities then have a huge burden on their shoulders but ultimately Brian as you're seeing now you've got restaurants. Small businesses and people are trying to do the right thing but they have the unmandated The they have the burden that they never intended for and unfortunately will have continue to bear the responsibility up Phil Rucker. The president accusing twitter of stifling free speech saying he won't allow that to happen. Can HE INVADE TWITTER? A or B. Is it more likely that he will sign onto some twitter Jason Product and try to foment competition her controversy? There may be an option. Lebron although it'd be interesting to see what a military base social media platform it looked like a but look the president. I think is unlikely to leave twitter Only because been his favourite platform for years. Now and it's been a place for has found a lot of political success by galvanizing his supporters. There so I assume he's going to continue to use it as his own town square That said you know he's creating a foil here In twitter for his reelection campaign is going to be running against The twitter police in saying they're trying to To stifle his free speech to Edit his commentary and I think that's another thing he can talk about on the campaign trail the his supporters That creates idea that you know all of them. Everybody out. In the country against the elite in the people in charge of the institutions with power and that was so successful as a political ingredient for the president in two thousand sixteen and he's trying to recapture that feeling again in twenty twenty. And finally Mr Kosta. Because we're in a political world. Let's talk about the transition to greatness. That has kind of unintended sub meeting. That were not great right now. Can Greatness be achieved without another trunch of economic aid? And how is it all going to fly if you have an hour after your name on a ballot in November right? Now based on my latest reporting and congressman remains deadlocked when it comes to coming up with any kind of stimulus package the so called phase four you have. Republicans like Larry Cudlow. The president want to see the payroll tax cut. Different kinds of tax breaks and Democrats are looking for more money for states and you see the president at every every turn fighting with democratic governors in blue states threatening maybe even to move the Democratic the Republican convention from North Carolina. Which is a democratic governor. And Roy Cooper and so there's no real answer or clarity at this moment about what? The economic answer is in the big divide in this country and candidates note. What on both sides is between Main Street and Wall Street Wall? Street's feeling pretty good. The stock market is up yet. Unemployment is so high and how that plays out politically be something on. Everyone's mind in the coming months a mess. It'll do till the mess gets here. Phil Rucker Robert Costa Dr Kavita Patel. Our thanks to our big three to start us off tonight and coming up. Las Vegas is about to find out who really wants to gamble and later four officers fired the FBI is now investigating the death of a black man in Minneapolis. Who was heard on camera saying he couldn't breathe. That was right before he died in the street with a knee on his neck. All of that is the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this Tuesday night. Nevada's casinos are preparing to reopen as early as next week. Some of the casino owners on the Strip have been more eager than others to reopen. And while even those of us who love that town can't quite imagine social distancing on the Strip at night or on the casino floors. The beating heart of Vegas is hospitality industry. It's the biggest industry in the state of Nevada and in something of an irony tonight. The Governor canceled his in-person press conference out of caution because he recently visited a workplace where there was a covert positive case to talk about all of it. We welcome back to our broadcast. John Ralston veteran newspaper journalist. Who is the founder and editor of the Nevada independent? We have also asked Dr Kavita Patel to stick around for this topic as it is truly public health. John You tell us how is this? GonNa Work Management telling the unions. What are the unions telling their employees? Who's GONNA get tested? How often how of they figured out a craps table? How have they figured out a roulette wheel of any of it? Can I answer just as many of those questions as I want and I pick and choose Brian? What are the rules here sure? So here's the here's what here's what's going to happen and this is this is the real issue is that nobody knows it's interesting. You mentioned the unions. Because they're not they're not buying into what? This plan is for the casinos to reopen a June fourth without more protections for their workers. The governor's you mentioned canceled. That press briefing but just as you came to me. He released his prepared remarks. And he's going to have a press briefing in a few minutes of a because of my loyalty to Brian Williams. I'm here telling you what those remarks are and letting US letting my reporters cover that briefing. He is going to say that. The Gaming Control Board which regulates gaming in this state is going to present guidelines. Tomorrow we already pretty much know. What those guidelines are Brian. And they're what you might expect social distancing so many people in the place at one time they're going to have thermal monitoring but ask yourself this question. Just leave you with this for for for the first part of this Brian. It's going to be one hundred ten in Vegas in the summer. You Walk into a casino your temperatures going to be up. They're going to then have to test you again and find you and see if your temperature is still up in so let me let me end where I began. Nobody really knows how this is going to work. But all of the casinos are preparing to reopen the APP to present plans to the Gaming Control Board. And if they fit those guidelines. It's going to be come to Vegas next Thursday and Dr Patel if you were health commissioner in the city of Las Vegas. What would you want to see? What what standard would you ask to be met before people from all over the world came into these casinos and before all of these employees the beating heart of Las Vegas? They all have to go home from their jobs to their families. Is there anything that we don't know yet but new you raised it correctly? I think there's a lot that we don't know and for that very reason if I were in charge of that covid response I would want pretty i. I would actually want what we call tabletop exercises kind of doing almost a run through of what e- scenarios would look like because it's true we've got hundred degree plus weather and we already know the temperature monitoring alone is not enough. Were already think. Cdc DIDN'T WANNA do it at airports that such a minimal screening requirement. So I would actually encourage that. We have as many exercises to actually scenario plan and primarily focused on keeping people safe. You mentioned it. It's worldwide destination and I would argue that Las Vegas has been successful in keeping at least it's case down because it simply closed down the casinos. So you would have to number one kind of run through the traps of what could go wrong because it will go wrong and the number to think about how you could approach. This incrementally very cautiously. We're talking you know. Ten percent of the space occupied. Because if one thing happens you have to start back from zero and I think that needs to be the mental mindset for all that casinos and John. Here's the problem where the rubber meets the road. We already know not. Everyone's going to want to wear a mask. We already know. Las Vegas is a big town. With small interactions tipping the Bellman tipping the valet tipping the cocktail waitress ordering from the cocktail waitress ordering at dinner. Buff as make the city around you. Tell me how any of these transactions are going to happen in this new era. Well the mask wearing is an interesting one brian. They're gonNA be required to wear masks. All the staff will be and the real question is Kenya. Four scheduled to wear masks and will they abide by that. You've already seen so much. Misbehavior by people. Not Following simple instructions to wear masks become a symbol of protest. And they're like Patrick Henry. If they don't wear a mask now there's that segment of the populace but the question is are the casinos going to enforce this. I think they are because there is so much at stake from them for them and they are. They are not going to the good doctors correct. They should if if there are problems they should shut it down. Go and start all over. But I don't think that's what's going to happen Ryan hospitalizations here. Have the Klein for thirty five consecutive days. They feel pretty good that they'll be able to handle whatever happens. They're going to be cases. The things are going to happen. The question is to what degree and that is going to be on the casinos. They The governor is giving them a green light and I assume when he's giving them the green light he is saying. Go slow at first. Be careful. Don't make me look bad for letting you go back into business remember. That was a very bold move for him to shut them down Very early more than two months ago. That probably saved a lot of lives. And there's been all kinds of pressure for him to let them open up since then they're already but they are all going to be. I think they're all gonna be very careful but there's so many as you mentioned. There's so much entropy inside the casino. It's going to be very difficult to predict what will happen. Brian. I can't believe no one has used this line so I will The worry here is that what happens in Vegas won't stay there and we'll go home with all those good visitors. Who are lighter by a few bucks? John Ralston are man to say in Las Vegas. Dr Kavita itsel are woman to see when the topic is public health? Thank you both so much and coming. How a health precaution turned into. What trump today labeled political correctness? Steve Schmidt weighs in on that and assorted other topics. He's trying to belittle you for wearing a mask making. It seem like it's a sign of weakness. He's a four mattress full to talk that way. I mean every leading dot com the world saying we should wear a mask. When you're in a crowd was Joe Biden. Responding to the president re tweeting something Brit Hume of Fox News first podium posted in here it is. This might help. Explain why trump doesn't like to wear a mask in public this afternoon. The president appeared to sarcastically. Say he wasn't criticizing Biden at all would never do such thing. Then called the reporter politically correct for keeping his face mask on er Doctor Van. Gupta treats corona virus patients today earlier this afternoon. He offered up this stark comparison. Is it more inconvenient to wear a mask or is it more inconvenient to Ben later in the reason why I'm saying that is it's extremely like this virus is coming for us all whether we like it or not? It's coming I saw. I've seen young individuals with a stroke in the setting of covid nineteen were previously healthy forty eight hours prior on a ventilator. Their parents can't even see them because we don't allow visitors actually in the room. This can come for us all regardless of your political beliefs. Back with us again tonight. No shortage of things to talk about Steve Schmidt a veteran political strategist who led the McCain. Oh eight effort has since left the Republican Party but certainly has stayed and politics. Steve What is the wearing of a mask mean to you? What is it? A marker of is a marker that you're a sheep does Ed say you're weak. Does it make about your role and public health and on. Some people is a marker of leadership in your view. The mask is the is the protection that were all called on to give to each other. It is an inconvenience to wear the mask. The mask is uncomfortable but we have to wear it to protect each other. And that's what we're all called to do into once again. We see Donald Trump ignoring medical advice endangering people with this terrible example and Joe Biden is exactly correct. I think to use the word fool. It is foolish advice and this country is plagued by the reality that we have a full sitting behind the desk. The Resolute Desk in the Oval Office. Who told us the Chinese had this contained? Who told us this would magically disappear when there were fifteen cases his incompetent ineptitude. Brian has made corona virus. In the United States made the United States leading place in the world or gaffer suffering for misery because of this virus is just astoundingly poor leadership on Donald Trump's part who continuously demonstrates that. He's unfit for his job. It has no capacity intellectually Mandalay or Zamora leader to guide the nation through this dangerous. Our Steve Schmidt. What do these social media companies do in the course of today? In the course of the weekend President tweeting out a conspiracy theory involving a colleague of ours. Tweeting OUT STRAIGHT UP. Misinformation about voting by mail some have said the social media companies twitter facebook and the like have been on a long journey to realize that they are at the end of the day and the publishing business. What are they to do when faced with not just misinformation but from the very top will? Brian companies have policies that say they don't tolerate misinformation so we're not sitting here having a debate about whether they should have a policy or not in question is should they follow the policy when it applies to the president of the United States. Who happens to be the most prolific liar in the country and with regard to his vile smears against our colleague Joe Scarborough. The pain is inflicting on that young woman's family his continual lying smearing the viciousness of it. All they don't have an obligation to print that too in violation of their policies. They ought to follow their policies. It's just as simple as that. I will say this. It is a profound threat to democracy in this sense that if you look at the great threats to the country's security in the twentieth century fascism and communism both of those ideologies were premised on big lies at our system relies on inalienable truths. There's a profound danger posed democratic institutions by these companies whether they're by sins of omission or sense of comission because they obliterate the the line between reality and truth Excuse me Between Truth and lies between reality and an alternate reality. It's simply the case that a democracy can't function if you can't tell the difference between lies and truth because there can't be any accountability in the system. Democracies rely on an informed citizenry and that informed citizenry. Can't look at a blue chair at half the country. Say It's rat. It's so we have a profound problem. With all of the lunacy it our politics and the degree to which conspiracy theories many of the paddle by the president himself have infected our body politic virus. It has so profoundly confused the American people in terms of being able to know what's up versus what's down what's right versus left that it's profoundly disorienting and disillusioning in it's dangerous and it's just not a sign of how in any democratic system in the world. Can you find anything that approaches? What we're dealing with in the United States. It's very bad Steve Schmidt. It's always a pleasure even when the topic is as dark as this one. Thank you very much for finding time for us on a Tuesday night as we start a shortened work week coming up for us a big city reaction to tragedy now finds itself in the middle of a larger and virgin conversation about racism. We'll talk about that when we come back. Thousands of people protesting in Minneapolis tonight following the death of an unarmed black man on Monday. Police fired tear gas late today after protesters damaged a police precinct among some other property four. Minneapolis police officers were fired today for their role in the death of George Floyd and the FBI is now on this case. The altercation was captured on video and fair warning. It's tough to watch in effect. The video shows human life draining from a man while he's on the pavement. George Floyd died after being taken into custody for what officers say was a report of a possible forgery and officer can be seen kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck for at least seven minutes. Witnesses say floyd repeatedly cried. My neck hurts and I can't breathe while bystanders pleaded with the officer to let him go. Floyd eventually stopped moving but the officer kept his knee on his neck for several more minutes. At one point someone almost casually enters the frame and checks for a pulse. We have not yet seen the body camera video. That's now in the FBI's possession so we can't see what happened before this particular video was rolling in a statement. The Police Department in Minneapolis said this quote. He was ordered to step from his car after he got out. He physically resisted officers officers. Were able to get the suspect. In handcuffs noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later at no time. Were WEAPONS OF ANY TYPE. Used by anyone involved in this incident. It's a lot back with us again. Tonight is Maya Wiley former assistant. Us Attorney for the Southern District of New York veteran of the New York City Mayor's office. She is now with the new school in New York. My friend I've missed you and I give anything for a different subject matter to talk with you about tonight in a desperate attempt to find something good to come out of this. Is it a good thing that the FBI is there? And on the case. At least Brian I miss you too and I wish we were having this conversation in person because I know you would take my hand and that would mean a lot to me right now. We don't know if good yet and let back up and say first of all what is good is that these officers were terminated. That is unusual to see happen so quickly and I think fat is a testament to the fact that there's additional information that we have not yet heard as a public not because the video was not disturbing enough but that that actually caused them to take that decision without having a longer investigation think the point about the FBI involvement in the reason. I say we don't know because frankly after Eric Garner after the other I can't breathe after the other devastating trauma of a video. That this so reminds us of we neither saw a grand jury and dight officer Pantaleo. Who was finally. Let go by the Police Department We literally had the federal government. Say that it was not going to charge the officer in that case. I was the chair of New York City Civilian Complaint Review Board when we sent that case to the New York City Police Department and said he the officer Pantaleo must be charged. Your highest administrative offenses and terminated and our team handled bat trial. I say that because unfortunately that's what it took because the law is is if for a whole lot of reasons. We need due process for officers but it is extremely difficult extremely difficult to get these types of civil rights cases but that is why people are protesting. It is not enough to have justice as a sword used against people of Color. It must also be a shield three names Ahmad Arbitary George Floyd Christian Cooper three African American men who during a pandemic have focused intense attention in many cases long overdue on racism in twenty twenty Two of them would their lives. What does that tell you if anything but it tells me is it. Video unfortunately has been traumatizing but a necessary tool to have black people believed when black people talk about the experiences that frankly have been experiences in the black community for generations for decades. Now James Baldwin said it best when he said be black in America's be perpetually angry and you know the reason for that is not because black people are angry by nature. It's because injustice over and over and over again is angering and the fact. Is that when many people who are black shirt that some injustices happened like a Christian Cooper who is bird watching who sees a woman who is violating park regulation. Something he might be ticketed for. Instead she threatens to call the police announce his race and lie to them and say that he was threatening her. I mean that is the kind of thing that without a videotape. Who knows if anyone would have believed him? And that is something that we should be deeply concerned about. But these incidents are not knowing. They are just documented in ways that become undeniable. Counselor stay. Well stay healthy. We will live to do in person segments again and dare I say. Hold hands while we do. It has been our guest at long last again. Tonight Maya thanks Another break for us and coming up. Consider it this way. A nation where the president trying to diminish the corona virus comparing into the flu talking Hydroxy Clark. When and it's not the United States will take you there when we come back. There are exceptions to it. Just like China but a new so called ban on visitors from Brazil to the. Us is going into effect really minutes from now at the top of the hour. More people are now dying in Brazil from Corona Virus Day than in any other nation in the world. Nbc News Correspondent. Bill neely has our report today like every day. Dozens of virus funerals in Rio American Oscar stearns with sixty four and from Boston and here all his life one of eight hundred victims in one day. Brazil now has the highest daily death toll in the world today one city with a high death toll on shattered economy ended. Its lock done. Tens of thousands poured onto the streets. The mayor of this city had virus ordered it to open up. He doesn't support the luck done across. Brazil battle between saving the economy on saving lives is rating one American already in financial trouble. I have travel agency and that travel agency. I don't think is gonNA survive. The next couple of months like the economy hospitals are breaking point people to Brazilians looking to come to the US now. Unwelcome unwelcome as of midnight. We'll Brazilians are now braced for more pain not just economic paying more record death tolls because most medical experts have spoken to hear. Brazil has not yet reached the peak of death. Bill neely in Brazil for US tonight. Our thanks coming up. What we are hoping is a break from the drumbeat that we can't seem to escape when we come back last thing before we go tonight. The news tonight is heavy in these days. It is just about every night. The majority of us are trying our best to stay out of circulation. Somebody on social media has taken to calling every day blurs day. Even some of our usual distractions are still missing. Sports channels are flickering to life Nascar. Thank God is back but with no fans some soccer some golf Korean baseball with vinyl pictures of fans in the stands a Lotta sportscasters play by play types. Remain IDLE LIKE OUR FRIEND. Andrew Cotter of the BBC who has found a new event to announce to Phillip Island Victoria in Australia. What a setting. We have for this great sporting contest. The little penguin see to June race. Abbas moments always as the gathering the beach the tension mounting and away they go. There's the defending champion. Winning has familiar navy. Blue and white great waddling style. Another pre-race favourite though losing touch with the pack. Maybe that's why a few too many fish in the days feeding. There's a familiar. Face get McIntyre eight times champion back in the nineties s very successful coach note keeping Canine proceedings. This the leaving group one or two still able to on our show for the camera others disclosing straight over some resorting to shortcut Saad. The cheating has crept into this beautiful sport. The judges we'll have a look at that but up at the front. The pace is relentless closing in a most sand dunes. That will offer a bed for the night. The fatigue start to tell who's GONNA finishing up on the outside. What a turn of pace from that one. 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Day 1,203: On America's 73,800+ COVID-19 death toll, Trump says, "It is what it is."

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Day 1,203: On America's 73,800+ COVID-19 death toll, Trump says, "It is what it is."

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The president has adopted. The use of a score says he and phrase to sum up our sorry circumstances as a country these days yesterday he said about the state of the US economy and unemployment. It is what it is today. When asked about the death toll he again said it is what it is adding seventy thousand. Sounds correct to him just yesterday. The President announced he was winding down the Corona Virus Task Force. Even though the pandemic is just now ramping up in some places with the largest spike in new cases now in Nebraska and Minnesota the president seemed fine with winding it down Mike Pence who runs the task force of coursing fine with doing away with the Task Force until today when the president said he didn't know how popular the Task Force was and said. He's decided he's going to keep it around. The virus continues to churn across our country in tandem with the trend of reopening businesses and entire states despite the Johns Hopkins expert. Who just today testified that. None of the states reopening have met all of the White House guidelines for reopening and despite opinion polls showing a majority of Americans are not at all ready or willing to go back to life and events as normal as we knew them indeed in the real world tonight. The death toll across our country stands at seventy three thousand eight hundred. Sixty three souls lost to this virus. There are now among the small percentage tested more than one point. Two million confirmed cases. The number of new cases is rising in nearly half of our country. Those are the states in orange on this map. The green states are where the number of cases are falling. Some thirty six states have now reopened in some form or fashion former director of the C. D. C. was asked about that during a House Committee hearing this morning it will be tragically at least one hundred thousand deaths from Cova by the end of this month as bad as this has been is just the beginning. Is it irresponsible to open the economy without adequate testing? We need to continue to rapidly ramp up our ability to do all of the four things I mentioned not just test but also isolate people who are infected contact trace and quarantine by having all of those things in place we can come out safer and sooner and we start our economy without a risk of explosive spread. Dr Found she was supposed to testify at that hearing as well but he was blocked by the White House new reporting from Politico reveals that even as the president has pushed to reopen this country. Federal officials are worried. Politico obtained audio recordings of three conference call meetings held between twenty four April and first of May lead by H H FEMA officials. They talked about medical supplies and a possible. New outbreak as restrictions are lifted. Politico SAYS A may first conference call started with the head of the CDC's influenza division warning quote. The numbers of deaths definitely will be high while this afternoon trump was asked about the risk. Will the nation just have to accept the idea that fi reopening there will be more cases there will be more people warriors actually calling now as you know? John The Nation Warriors. Hopefully that won't be the case. Trump could very well be the case. We can't have our whole country. A- Do a country won't take it won't stand it. It's not sustainable. If somebody lost somebody apparent or wife or husband or you know any brothers sisters. Have you lost someone? You could never make up for that by say. Why are you going to have a great year next year economically and so you could never do that but I will say that from an economic standpoint I think next year is going to be a very big trump made those comments during an Oval Office event to honor nurses where he was also asked about the need for testing. We have more cases. Do More testing do testing. We don't have cases so as I do more testing they say but yet what cases meanwhile the White House task force that we were told yesterday is going away as we mentioned came roaring back into existence today. I thought we could down sooner but I had no idea how popular the task force is until actually yesterday. When I started talking about winding down I get calls from very respected. People saying I think it'd be better to keep it going. It's done such a good job. I would say by Monday. We'll be announcing Two or three new members to the test. Those new task force members may be challenged on the darkest aspect of this pandemic in that is the growing death. Toll axios reporting. The president has complained to advisors about the way the corona virus death toll is being calculated suggesting the real numbers are actually lower and that a number of his senior. Aides share this view. One high level official quote expects the president to begin publicly questioning the death toll as it closes in on his predictions for the final death. Count and damages him. Politically trump was also asked about that report this afternoon. That will figure in the United States over seventy thousand do you. Do you believe those figures. Well I think what it is what it is from. Ucla say seventy thousand. It's approximately now seventy thousand. I don't imagine that'd be very big variation Now it's a big number but it's also a number that set the lower scale. I think Debra. You could say it's at the very lower scale of any number that we that was predicted because if you look at the predictions. I guess they said from one hundred to two hundred twenty thousand. That's the big shut ins and if we went to the total shutdown tonight. The nation's most populous state preparing to reopen on Friday California will start lifting parts of it. Stay at home order which has been in effect for nearly two months. This is happening. Even as the state grapples with rising numbers of cases in La and the Bay Area California reported more than twenty six hundred new confirmed cases of the virus. Yesterday we begin our leadoff discussion in just a moment but first we are pleased to be joined live by Eric. Garcetti city Democratic Mayor of the city of Los Angeles California Mr Mayor because to my mind the testing plan. You have launched. La County is the biggest and boldest of its type in the nation. I want to start by asking you to listen along with our audience to the new White House. Press Secretary and what she had to say about testing in this country. We'll talk about it on the other side. Why shouldn't all Americans who go back to work able to get the test before they do to feel comfortable in their own work environment to be interacting with other individuals? Yeah let's dismiss a myth about test right now. If we tested every single American in this country at this moment We have to retest them our later and then an hour later after that because at any moment you could theoretically contract this virus so the notion that everyone needs to be tested is simply nonsensical. Mr Mayor as someone who's in the middle of attempting to test ten million people. Why is she wrong in this case? Well it's become a cliche on shows like this to say more testing more testing more testing. But it's because public health professionals tell us this is a silent killer. It's not just about first responders and medical personnel and people with symptoms. Who of course should always be our first priority but it's also about finding those people who are not exhibiting symptoms who can walk through US walk through crowds and workplaces and spread this without us knowing. And so. That's why I'm proud. Los Angeles was the first big city to offer widespread testing for people with and without symptoms. Because it gives us a chance to know find those folks find who they've interacted with and not just bend the curve shapes down those cases quickly isolate them and help us get to a place where we can better protect from death. People and better prepare for an economy. That doesn't suffer so much in New York. The governor and the mayor have in plain English a horrendous relationship You guys in California seemed to have it much better. Though I'm guessing there are areas whereas a city you're going to have to disagree with and Supersede. The governor slow roll out plan to reopen aspects of the economy correct. We have a beautiful relationship Governor Newsom in myself good friends great working relationship and that extends throughout the state with my fellow mayors and supervisors here in La County Where we disagree is not actually disagreement. The state says you can go this far but it's important for local leaders to know states will recommend you can but you don't have to go that far if you're conditions on the ground say hospital admissions or your testing capacity or tracing capacities and enough. Go slow is my advice. Nobody's going to be overly criticized for going too slow even though we see protests and things like that in the long term history will write the chapters of those who walk forward the right way. So we're taking some baby steps this weekend and our parks telling people they can go back to trails but with on and didn't change. A single rule can't gather with a group of friends. It's still just the people you're cohabitating with We're doing some pickup on for retail in the same way we've done for food. We'll do that for for music stores but not people inside those stories yet. So I think we have to get rid of the idea of this black and white open and closed we're going to be somewhat open somewhat closed for the next year plus and you have to manage that carefully and don't be afraid to go a little slower than national or state regulations allow but we have a great relationship out here in California another New York reference only because of the comparable populations. The mayor of New York guesses that he's going to have to lay off city employees because of the gap between funding. Are you getting what you need from the feds thus far? How much do you fear you're going to need from the federal government? I want to praise the federal help. We've gotten whether it's the naval ship mercy or whether it is some of the help that they've given us to house our homeless and feed our seniors and we need to make sure that we get fiscal help not just reimbursements for the cost of covert nineteen but local and state governments are three point one trillion dollars. That are spent locally. That's not only jobs. Those workers who work for local governments but those dollars get recycled four or five times and the majority of that is in the social safety net to catch people in bad times like this so they don't suffer more public safety and firefighters and police officers need to stay on the front lines in this fight and also folks like our public health workers who are literally the ones saving lives so we can't turn this into a partisan issue cities are run by Republicans Independents and Democrats and we are all together on saying we need to make sure that the next round funds cities and states for what they have lost so that we don't have more layoffs. We don't have furloughs like we proposed here in Los Angeles. At ten percent furlough that means ten percent less service ten percent less people ten percent less economic engine here and we have to make sure that part of our recovery is not just in the private sector the public sector as well. Thank you for spending part of your eight. Pm Hour with US tonight on the eleventh hour out East Mayor Eric. Garcetti of the city of Los Angeles. Thank you so much for your time and here. Now for our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday night Phil Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning White House. Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with his post colleague Carol leg of the bestseller a very stable genius also with US Joe Kovin White House reporter for the Associated Press and Dr Kavita Patel. She served as senior Valerie. Jarrett and the Obama White House advising on matters of Health Reform Financial Regulatory Reform Economic Recovery. Issues also happens to be a clinical physician and among our medical contributors and Dr Patel you are the guest like to begin this segment with what about what the White House press secretary said about testing that in effect it is merely a snapshot in time. You could test our later after an exposure and get a different result the bottom line being. Why bother testing every American while? It's just simply not true. Brian Percival we think all have come to a realization that we simply don't even have enough tests for a percentage of Americans much less all Americans so the the fact of the matter is that we don't have enough testing period in that to kind of offer this contrast that you know talking about testing is nonsensical when we clearly don't even really understand what the extent of the disease is in our country a we already know that in parts of our country we're woefully under testing and if we are thinking about safely re-opening you've heard it from Dr Freidan and many other experts just today that we can't do that without testing and at this point we're testing about two hundred thousand people a day and that is about at least half of what we need so you know trying to kind of obvious skate. The argument by talking about testing every American. It looking different an hour later while at this point I think we need to at least have some sort of testing strategy and Brian. To be really honest about it. What we need to do is ask the administration. Why are we having such gaps in testing? We have been talking about this for weeks and months. Now what is it that we need to do to get a real coordinated effort and to deal with the short balls? It's a fair question. We've got it that we now have a much larger supply of ventilators. Testing remains the outlier. Hey Jill Coleman. It was a minor fleeting moment in the White House. Press Secretary's presentation today. She made sure to say that. The job of the members of the Corona Virus Task Force was saving. The lives of American people may because the president earlier had mentioned its popularity as a reason for keeping it open. What do you know about the less than twenty four hour turnaround in the fate and fortune of the White House? Gerona Virus Task Force. There's very much a reversal in the past. Twenty four hours. We had the president yesterday as saying the vice president also telling reporters that the plan was the task force at basically phase out at. They were giving us exact date saying sometime between Memorial Day in early June. They intended for it to sort of fade out as they entered this new phase but the President I received a lot of pushback in the hours before he appeared in front of reporters today including seeing some of the media reports but critical of that decision and that was that influence calls he received. He said that made him decide to shift his language. And he said instead the task force would continue on in perpetuity. He said he might change the composition of the task force that it would continue to meet say though that this is really seems to be a rhetorical shift. More than anything else you know for weeks. Now we've been told that the task force was going to be given a much less public facing role. These individuals members of trump's administration. Dr Birks will still be there. The vice president his staff will still be meeting it just a matter of how they choose to present that publicly. Phil Rucker the viruses still growing and as I mentioned the latest concerning case bikes are in states like Minnesota Nebraska in Nebraska. Is there any hint of a kind of a perverse buyer's remorse inside the trump White House after banging the drum for get out there and reopen as long as they have well Bryan aired? They're looking at data here that it's quite alarming and disturbing at the rhetoric you hear from the president is that we've turned a corner here Light at the end of the tunnel. Americans have been warriors Being home for all of these weeks and now it's time to get back out there. Spend money go to restaurant. Get back into your offices go to hair salons and so forth but the death count continues to climb we now have as you said at the top of the show. More than seventy thousand people dead in America were likely to have over a hundred thousand bed by the end of the month of May and there's not any sign of this ending anytime soon even as the numbers in New York City Start to come down there going elsewhere at NASA real dilemma for this administration. But you've seen the president basically adopted a mantra. This week that you know deaths are going to continue and Max of sacrifice that Americans need to make the get back out there into the economy and reopened the economy and get these numbers reverse and get people back to work. Our Gang has agreed to stay on with us for another round of questioning. Our thanks as well belatedly to La. Mayor Eric Garcetti. For starting US off coming up as we approach our first break the latest White House response to the latest warning signs about lost jobs and cratering businesses and later three months ago prominent name in the Democratic Party told us he was scared to death about the coming election tonight. Hill explained his new optimism on that front as the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this Wednesday night with all the uncertainty in the feeling safe at home has never been more important. It's why if you haven't already you need to check out simply safe home. Security their longtime friends of our show and for good reason simplisafe has made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home. There's no technician or salesperson that needs to calm and disrupt your house. You don't need to pay any outrageous monthly fees or sign a two year contract. You just order online. Set it up yourself in under an hour really. 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She went on to say she's been using the same mask for days on end who dared to contradict the party. Line was herself contradicted. In real time by the president during an Oval Office event designed to honor nurses on this annual day on the calendar meant to salute them as an occupation president. Went on to talk about the economy once again. Predicting it would rebound much sooner than people think hours earlier new report out from ADP said American companies lost twenty million jobs in the month of April were payrolls and the reports eighteen year history. Still with US Phil Rucker Joven Dr Kavita Patel Dr Patel to you again to start us off your reaction to that scene in the Oval Office. The story line as the president prefers it is. Were good on. We've been surging it to everyone who needs it and the brave nurse who begged to differ Luke Bryan in Madison. We have to rely on facts and the fact is that we do not have enough protective equipment. Certainly it's improving over time but there are still to this day on public websites nonprofits dedicated to getting protective gear to healthcare workers still daily pleas for help and as you heard people are reusing their put -ment which is absolutely not the science the science and data. Tell us that every time you interact with somebody even the same patient that the minute you step away. You should be actually changing now your protective gear. We realize that that's just not possible. Given how many interactions. There are between a caretaker of professional and a patient so it is troubling and again the data is what it is we not only do we not have enough but this certainly speaks to this issue around the globe about supply chain and just in general this leads to why we have a shortage testing and all of the other issues that. I think many health professionals such myself has been bringing up. Jacobin we've been showing for weeks now. The aerial pictures the lines at food banks and you can go from Carta car to car and almost universally people will tell you they never dreamed this is a situation they would be in and I'm GONNA quote from a New York Times story. Among mothers with young children. Nearly one fifth say their children are not getting enough to eat. According to a survey by the Brookings Institution a rate three times as high as in alway during the worst of the great recession jail. Are they prepared for the human cost of this and God forbid you reduce it to? It's bare minimum. The optics of this. I mean look. The numbers are horrible. And we're going to be getting know. New Economic Number is on Friday that administration officials that Kevin. Hassett have now spent days trying to sort of prepare us warning that these are going to be the worst jobs numbers that we have we've ever seen are at least any time in in any of our lifetimes on and this is the the drumbeat that the White House is looking at as they try to. You know put together. This balancing act of the economic costs of this. What it means to have people not being able to go to work not being able to to buy food for their children and the opportunities in the cost of opening up the country in the president however is really talked about some kind of economic snap. That's waiting to happen. That is soon as the rainbows lifted. There will be this magical moment where everything will go back to normal. And he's predicting in a very good third quarter of fabulous fourth quarter. Predicting the twenty twenty one will have even greater economic growth than the last year did an economist. Sir telling him that. That's just not how this to work. Even if businesses begin to reopen. That doesn't mean that that were lost magically will come back online. It doesn't mean that Americans feel comfortable going out going to the grocery store going to stores resuming life like it used to be rucker. We started with a Scorsese. It's time to transition to coppola what happens when the president goes to the mattresses. What does this campaign look like if he is without his ace? The most effective tool in his toolbox is to run on a vibrant and humming economy. What will that campaign look like? You Know Bryan even when the economy was vibrant and humming. We assume that this was going to be the ugliest campaign in recent times. The next because president trump's signaled as much but now with the economy in free fall and him not able to run on the strength of the economy. I think it's GonNa get even uglier. Because what trump has to do now what he's planning to do with his strategists are telling us they're they're working on is it's to really destroy Joe Biden to run a campaign of character assassination against the former vice president and disqualify in in the minds of so many of these voters to the people will vote for trump the polling that we have seen month after month through this pandemic has been very bad for trump. People do not approve of his job performance. In this crisis they do not approve of his leadership of his character his compassion and empathy and so in order to win trump's going to have to tear down by we already see his campaign operative beginning too late. Lambs do so our thanks to our guests from medicine and Journalism Phil Rucker Jovan Dr Kavita Patel greatly appreciate you hanging out with us tonight and coming up. After declaring himself a wartime President Donald Trump says his warriors are the Americans. He needs to get out and help restart. The economy does that indicate and undo sacrificed by are sheltering masses assessing the political strategy of that particular approach when we come back had to pass their. That was exactly two months ago today at CDC headquarters when the president made that claim. It wasn't true on that day. It remains untrue as we speak tonight and a reminder just two percent of our populations actually been tested and the press secretary today in the briefing room called the idea of testing. Everybody quote nonsensical so on that note. We are happy to back to returning veterans tonight. James Carville veteran democratic strategist who rose to national fame of the Clinton Presidential Campaign Co host of the twenty twenty politics war room podcast and Eugene Robinson Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post. So James I'm glad we caught you before you're fitting for your Kevlar. Covert Warrior suit. I want to read you this from Christmas. Jerry in the La Times and we quote in recent days trump has begun describing citizens as warriors in the battle against the pandemic and suggested some of those fighters might have to die if that will help boost the economy. The new language shows trump appears to view people as collateral damage to salvage. The economy says Jeffrey Levy a public health expert at George Washington University. James is this a big part of why you're suddenly optimistic about democratic chances six months from now optimistic because every election since he's been elected we won every poll. We had a main. There's nothing but overwhelming evidence and look what his campaign doing griffis his campaign managers got to Condos Ferrario yacht a range rover and they're all just fleecing the campaign just about making money and then going into giving him fake holds the story. I mean this whole thing is is just like a crumbling empire right before your eyes everybody is trying to take everything they can get on and trying to prop him up so they all can make money and as he walked. It's on folk and James when Phil Rucker talks about when you remove the economy as something for him to run on Do you worry about what folks are going to resort to in this campaign which we already know isn't GonNa look like any campaign we in the modern era. I've ever seen the only thing I worry about is a mess with the right. To vote is wrong. It's as anything close to a level playing field. I really don't care what they're going to do there. We're going to lose before this shit. They're just GONNA lose now and they all know it and now getting profiles Written Been Blaise Pascal Campaign ads whatever. His name is a little bit young magazine posing for pictures. Sto Bang. It's gone. I mean Oracle March. Berg can tell you that there wishing manganese crumbling gene in addition to the best kitchen ceiling in Louisiana. The guy does away with words. You Gene Yourself wrote this week. That the The new normal is already here. Tell our viewers who didn't have the privilege of reading your column what you mean. Well look we. We're set adrift by this White House. Right the the White House has has abdicated. Its responsibility to do the kind of surveillance tests and kind of real testing. We need to move forward toward reopening the economy on a on a on a scientific basis on a safe basis The this checked out basically And said just like the states handle the the mayor's handle it and and let individuals handle it and so we're just GONNA have to make make decisions ourselves about what we consider safe. What we don't consider safe State and local governments some regional compacts or are getting together and they all move forward Sensibly I hope and intelligently least some of them But this is just a scandalous abdication of responsibility at a critical moment in one. Other thing this administration's stop spitting in a global effort to conserve combine defined a vaccine. We're trying to find a vaccine on our own and whatever but but There are powerful nations with scientists joining forces. The United States should be leading the international effort. But of course this this president's capable of that sort of thing and so you know they find the vaccine I we're at the back of a line. I mean this is just this. This is absurd. I agree with everything. Captain Carville said Ibn. I think he's absolutely right. We're The the Democrats are are in a great bluish in going into this election as we go to break. I'll read this from a frequent guest of ours. Tom Nichols he said this. Tonight is the worst of all bad faith assumptions in this pandemic to assume that those of US obeying our states restrictions and supporting the making of science based policy are enjoying it. And don't care how long it goes on. It speaks to my contention. The people are indoors not because they've been ordered to because they don't want to get this We'RE GONNA fit in a break here. Both gentlemen have agreed to stay with US coming up the role the pandemic is playing and will continue to play in presidential politics. The kind we see every day the stock market where the Stock Market's at twenty four thousand and we went through the worst attack we've ever had in our country. This is really the worst attack we've ever had. This is worse than Pearl Harbor. This is worse than the World Trade Center. There's never been an attack like this and it should have never happened. Could have been stopped at the source could have been stopped in China and that last bit right there is part of what's become the president's daily diversion to China as he correctly was lamenting the damage piling up in this country and a reminder were six months out from the presidential election new monmouth university poll from the my Home County and the Great State of New Jersey shows. More people would prefer that person nationally to be Joe Biden Than Donald Trump fifty to forty one percent still with us James Carville and Eugene Robinson and James I wanna ask about your side and the notion of of punching back should the Biden campaign beholding a daily or thrice weekly. Call it a resistance briefing. Call it a medical briefing. We haven't heard from the task force in over a week as it is on days when the president suggests may be injecting disinfectant. Or INSERTING UV. Light where the sun normally don't shy. Should there be some reaction from the campaign. Should the Biden group putting out ads as biting as the Lincoln Group A bunch of lapsed Republicans about I wrote a piece on? Nbc thanked out to act like apart chip. And let me tell you the Lincoln group and the Bull Walk. These never trump Republicans to Democrats could learn a lot them. There me they find more in. We don't fight like that. We don't fight like that the way. Did you run a presidential campaign your pirate ship? You're always calculating. You always take it wind speed and direction you siege and you look and you burn. And that's just the way it is and they're ineffective they just riding low in the water. They're all that Dell Dell Rich L. Scamming L. Make money in my. My advice is get ready and hit him. Hit him again because it don't matter if the Dow was thirty five thousand. He's not GonNa win. He wasn't going to win when when unemployment which three point five percent. He's certainly not GonNa win now but the idea is not just to beat him to end the scourge of tropism in this country forever. And we can do that. It's within our gouache right now. Right now they just they just fleecing this thing all. They're trying to make money right now. They know it's going on. Everybody knows was happening in this country. Eugene a great man wants reminded a victorious precedential campaign. It's the economy stupid in your view. It's still the economy and is the risk for this president a guy who has pitched himself to neighborhoods of color in this country the same way he has pitched himself to potential takers of hydroxy. Chloroquine what do you have to lose? Does he have to worry now. That people are going to sit down and figure out exactly what it is. They have to lose. Yeah so worry a lot because look I think if if the economy were. We're roaring if you know it was not as Donald Trump the best economy in the history of the United States But even if it were He would be in trouble in in the selection He you know He. He and the Republican Party would be in trouble Impulsive showing that not just nationally but in battleground states Senate races And and so. I'm I think James is right. With sort of Jack Sparrow Strategy for with the Democrats ought to be doing. It's absolutely right and and and and I may steal some of the column because because we can learn a lot from from the Lincoln Group at and what they've been doing. They are really good at this. I've preached for years. Republicans are much better at this sort of punchy. You Know Emotional. A hard hitting Impactful advertising the pare down to two simple Simple soundbites that people can understand. Democrats have have not known to do that. They like dependent clauses and and and the family long rambling sentences and and they do bring in Blaise. Pascal they can so they can definitely learn a lot From what the Lincoln Group is doing. This is this is no time to let up This is time to put pedal to the metal because I think the opportunity is there for a blue soon. Nami I really do. I have what these church having. Hey Hey James Give you thirty seconds what he got. Cherokee on sad Hitler invaded hell outside with the devil. Thank you I'll UNIA contracts. Republicans never trumpers bull walk. People come in and out of Flight Democrats get off the conference call. Get the meeting. Go to take it to him. But anyway I love being home which gene no pat nominee idea of anybody south of the Mason Dixon. Line brought thank you James Carville Gene Robinson. Gentlemen. It's always a pleasure. Thanks for coming on coming up. One company struggling to keep up with demand because their product has suddenly become a prized possession. During a pandemic there was one night on this broadcast early on before quarantine started before the death. Toll Really started the skyrocket. We mentioned that an analyst on CNBC one afternoon said the one stock he was. GonNa Watch during this pandemic was clorox. Indeed if your family is like ours like so many others you've been scanning the Internet and grocery store shelves for clorox wipes one of the Products Co. Vid Era that we never could have dreamed we would need until we needed them tonight. We hear from the head of the company that is struggling to make up for demand. We got our report from NBC. News correspondent Blaine Alexander First. Shoppers scrambling to find disinfectant wipes but greeted only by bare shelves. This will be a welcome sight. Clorox factories working overtime to meet a five hundred percent spike in demand. In some cases we sold as much in one week as we normally sell in one month. We are completely uncharted territory. And we're in catch up mode than door or is the CEO of Clorox. Will people be able to go to the stores and find products in stock on the Shell? We know that right now. We cannot make enough products for everybody. We think we will be in a substantially better shape by the summer June July. Or is that what you're thinking we're ramping up supply components however is the consumer demand and that today is outside our control. The company says it increased production of disinfectants by forty percent. But that's still not enough. We are shipping products stores every single day. Whether that's physical stores online stores. But they're gone pretty much right. Wendy arrive our cameras. Were not allowed inside clorox facilities because of health and safety concerns but the company shared this video with NBC News. A rare look inside. Its largest. Factory churning out giant bleach drums. That can clean fourteen thousand hospital rooms each and the wipes and sprays that we all use at home while clorox is ramping up production. They say that the safety of their nearly nine thousand employees is the priority so they're making changes at factories like this one including staggered breaks face and temperature checks. Do you consider your employees critical frontline workers to yes we do. Jessica Mathews one of them responsible for making sure. The trucks are loaded. You really see how valuable really are before like. Okay we just make wipes and clean a banal is like we're saving lives. We're making a difference. Carlton Mitchell Overseas Bleach Production. Even though we know that we're potentially at risk we're willing to take that risk and make that sacrifice because we're helping to save and protect many lies. Thousands of lives clorox is hiring more than two hundred fifty. Employees Increasing base pay and giving a bonus to lower level workers. Were sorry that we can't help as much as we can give an unprecedented demand but we give hearts every single day to do better and help is on its way and it will be better starting some until then he says these factories will be running around the clock. Blaine Alexander. Nbc News Atlanta more essential workers to think about coming up for us and act of kindness from one hundred seventy three years ago. That has come roaring back for people who need it right now last thing before we go tonight it was so long ago that few people even knew the story unless they heard it passed down through the family as folklore but during the Irish potato famine in the time before Lincoln the native American tribes of Choctaw nation gathered what was then a big some one hundred seventy dollars and Senate it to Ireland for victims of the famine. Apparently not everyone has forgotten. Connor Hunt with the Irish television network. Rt picks up the story. It's a bond between two communities formed in a time of deep crisis commemorated with this sculpture in eighteen forty seven at the height of the famine. Here the CHOCTAW Nation of Native Americans gathered what Mooney they could and sent it across the Atlantic to help those suffering one hundred and seventy years on that goodwill is not being reciprocated a fundraiser for Navajo and Hopi Native American Families Hocine donations from Ireland pouring in indeed as of tonight this Irish fundraising campaign has now raised close to three million dollars for families and the Navajo and Hopi communities in the United States native American populations are getting crushed by the corona virus. With cases and fatalities skyrocketing. There's is one of the worst outbreaks especially with their income sources. Shutdown and huge roadblocks in getting the federal aid intended for them because there was no initial system for dispersal the potato famine. Killed a million people in Ireland where history classes still tell the story families due to and where it investment in humankind from faraway generations ago is being returned and then some that is our broadcast for this Wednesday night on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of NBC News. Good night from our temporary field had.

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Day 1,310: Trump ups attacks on Biden & Harris as Senate grills Post Office boss

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Day 1,310: Trump ups attacks on Biden & Harris as Senate grills Post Office boss

"And good evening. Once again day thirteen, hundred, eight of the trump administration seventy four days. Now until our presidential election, it is another number that is making news at this hour on a Friday night tonight a new projection from the folks at the University of Washington says nearly three, hundred, ten, thousand Americans will be dead by December first right now, the death toll is over one, hundred, seventy six. Thousand with over five point, six million known infections in our country today Donald Trump had little to say about the virus or its toll but he did go hard after Joe Biden and Kamala Harris after all Biden's widely praised acceptance speech was a takedown of trump's leadership and so twenty four hours later trump was in front of a conservative group with a rebuttal and a dystopia envision of Democratic victory. Over the last week, the Democrats held the darkest and angriest and his convention in American history. They spent four straight days attack in America as racist and a horrible country that must be redeemed. Joe Biden Grimly declared a season of American darkness. And yet look at what we've accomplished until the play came in I'm the only thing standing between the American dream and total anarchy madness and chaos if we don't wait until gun. Okay it's all gone. We have to win the election I'm the one you know there's a theory that if you don't have it by the end of the year. Crazy Nancy Pelosi would become president you know that I. Don't know that think of that. Just a fact check here on trump's allegation about Nancy Pelosi, because remember it was our last president who taught constitutional law and not this one. The speaker would only become president if Congress when it counts the electoral votes on January, the sixth can't figure out who's president in that event the election would go to the house with each state voting only if that step yields no result would a POLISI presidency come into play it is a scare tactic though for the trump base as are his false charges about fraud and mail in voting. I don't like this male invalid you GonNa send out fifty, one, million mail in ballots to people who haven't requested them and nobody knows who's getting. We're not prepared for this fifty one million ballots. It will be a tremendous embarrassment to our country. They also think I'm trying to steal an election just the opposite I want the fair results of an election. To the president's appointed Postmaster General Lewis did joy big trump donor who records show has given over one point two million to the trump victory fund and millions more to the Party organizations and candidates. He's only been on the job since mid June no prior postal experience he has put into place a series of controversial chances including the removal of key. Sorting machines in what sure looks like an effort to hinder mail in voting the changes have already slowed our mail delivery. There was no other expected outcome and last week there were reports. Several states were warned about mail-in ballots for the November election, how they could be delayed or disqualified. Joy was questioned about all of that today at a virtual Senate here. Did. You discuss those changes or are there potential impact on the November election with the president or anyone at the White House and remind you you're under oath? I have never spoken to the president about the postal service that end to graduate night accepted the position prior to implementing the changes. Did you discuss these changes or their impact on the election with any trump campaign officials? Such as you have your whether, you're not gonNA mandates states send out any Alex using either the more expensive first class mail, and will you continue the processes and procedures to allow. Election mailed to move as expeditiously as possible and treated like first class. Yes Sir We will deploy processes and procedures that advance any election mail in some cases ahead of First Class Mail or will you be bringing back any mail sorting machines that have been removed sensu become postmaster general? Any of those comeback is no intention to do that. Then not needed. Sir We're being told that you're limiting over time and this could possibly add toback logs. Are you are you limiting overtime? We'd never eliminated overtime. Tale significantly as I understand. It has not been contained by me or leadership team. No matter what you heard right there as for that last response about overtime, NBC News has obtained an internal post service documents showing joys policy changes prohibit extra or late trips and mandate that mail carriers return on time. One other thing we learned joy told the Senate he supports voting by mail and like his boss, the president it happens to be how he votes on Monday. He'll get to answer more questions before a virtual. House. Committee hearing next week. Of course, Republicans were hold their own nominating convention. It all begins in Charlotte North. Carolina on Monday trump will be in the state politico's reporting he's expected to stop by the actual. Convention site where the roll call vote will be held while much is still unknown about this event including the official title we have learned that trump will likely speak on more than one of the four nights of the convention meanwhile, The Washington Post Reporting, Democrats are planning to counter program throughout the week with a series of events by calling attention to the contrast between trump and biden even as his quest for a second term becomes official there are trump's legal troubles after all today, his lawyers filed an emergency motion with an appeals court stopped the release of his tax returns, which, of course had been cleared for release to the Manhattan Da. Trump's former senior adviser and close jump Steve. Bannon also vowing to fight federal prosecutors in the southern district of New, York. Bannon's been charged with fraud and money laundering in connection with a crowd funding effort to build trump's border wall bannon has pleaded not guilty today he called the prosecution politically driven. I am not going to back down this supply hit job. Everybody knows I love fight and I was called Honey Badger, for many years honey badger doesn't give so. I'm in this for the long haul. I'm in this for the fight, but I'm gonNA continue to fight. This was to stop and intimidate people that want to talk about the wall. And a late development and a story we have been following steadily NBC. News reporting the late word that former CIA director John Brennan was indeed interviewed today at. Langley. Say A headquarters for eight hours by US Attorney John Durham who's reviewing the investigation into those ties between Russia and trump's twenty sixteen presidential campaign. Brennan's former Deputy Chief of staff says, Brennan was told he is not a subject door target of any criminal investigation, but only a witness to events. Now earlier this month sources told NBC News that Brennan Interview Could Signal that Durham is nearing the end of his inquiry. It's a lot and with us to talk about three returning veterans on a Friday night Phil Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning. White House Bureau chief for The Washington Post, who is the CO author along with his very stable colleague Carol Lennick of the bestseller very stateful genius Giancarl, she, White House correspondent over at ABC News we get to talk to him because he too is an author. The must read front row at. The trump show and Melissa Murray she is an Nyu law professor clerked for Judge Sonia Sotomayor while on the US Court of appeals good evening, and welcome to you all fill. I'd like to begin with you and your beat. What was the real west wing reaction to the four night democratic show to the final speech by Joe Biden and give us has much of a preview as you can of the RNC convention. Yes O'Brien publicly. The president's advisors and aides are staying at the Democrats, put on dimension of doom and gloom. To use the phrase that that we hear out of the trump White House they believed it was too negative of tone and message from the Democrats, but privately varies acknowledgement among the president's advisors that es behind in this race that Joe Biden. Clearly has momentum and has the advantage at the moment and the Democratic convention was pretty well executed from a technological standpoint from an innovation standpoint from a message discipline standpoint. All things that matter in politics and so looking ahead, the Republicans want to try to project a sense of optimism and give voters a feeling that four more years of president trump will will help us get out of this endemic and rebuild. The economy after the recession, this year but there are a lot of big x convention including as some of the cultural warriors who are going to be speaking at may have very controversial and divisive messages. They're also the some ethics questions that are being raised about the way the president is going to be conducting this convention. He will be giving his acceptance speech Thursday night from the White House itself that is federal property, of course, and there are also concerns about so much of the activity happening in close proximity to his own hotel, the trump hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington. Giancarl can we just assume that after four nights of the Republican convention they're simply going to insist that the democratic. Ticket is Hunter Biden UNAI Osa. sensually Delic Brian this is going to be dark Particularly, I, believe the president's acceptance speech. This is going to make american-carnage look like morning in America, and we've we've seen these telegraphed this in Scranton yesterday, he actually compared himself to a wall. He said, we are a wall between the American dream and the complete and total destruction of the greatest country on earth. He said today they are coming for you they're coming after you. This is going to be a very dark vision and I think Phil raises a great point I mean we've. All been under the assumption that you can't do over politics on on federal property and certainly not at White House and he will the president will deliver his acceptance speech right there on the White House right there at the south. Lawn. Presumably White House officials White House aides people on the government payroll doing the work of preparing and executing that very critical day of the Republican convention on Federal. Property on the on the federal dime. because. A piece of legislation called the Hatch Act. At least used to matter, hey, professor it's not like all other news stopped happening while our attention was focused on the Democratic convention and specifically, I'd like you to weigh in and let our viewers know the state of play on the president's tax returns. We'll send far I'm it seems that the president has suffered another blow on that case yesterday judge, Victor? Marrero. In the southern district of new. York said that the subpoenas could go forward at the president hadn't been able to prove that they were over broad. He tried to get those stayed Victor Marrero denied that stay now he's proceeded to file for a stay with the second circuit the second circuit did not. Accept that emergency request for a stay but ditz oral arguments on this day for September first that will happen and the real question is what happens after that whether those subpoenas will be made available to Masar ours as ours will produce those documents either way the American public doesn't get to see them. These are grand documents that will be released her grand jury and all of those remain sequestered from public view. GIANCARL has the president found out the hard way and in public that somewhere north of ninety percent of US happen to love the post office and a good number of especially men and women who served our country depend on it to stay alive. But he he absolutely did you saw it in the way he talked about this. At first, it was the threats that he was going to withhold funding from the post office. By the way, he reaffirmed that threat today saying he would veto the Democratic Bill to provide twenty five billion dollars in additional funding, but the talk seemed to be. Anti Post Office. Decrying this idea voting by mail, which he is still doing. But what you saw happen as the story of blossomed people saw their their male slowing down is that people rely on the post office all Americans rely on the post office but especially Americans in rural areas I can tell you as somebody who spent time growing up in. South Dakota. In those places, you need your mail, your mail is your lifeline. Those are in many cases, listener, trump voters this these are rural areas. This is this extends. This is not a simply targeting democratic cities he was. Appeared to be targeting institution held dear by by Americans all across the country including many of his supporters and by the end of the week, he was saying save the post office. Professor back over to you the speaking of news that happened this week that didn't get its proper attention. This Republican approved join report from the Senate Intel Committee, in which thousand or so pages we learn. The. Intel Committee made criminal referrals on President, son Dj TJ on jared on Bannon and two others and professor. It remains I think the largest undercover story of the week. It's definitely one that's managed to stay under the radar for over a year. This letter was sent over to the depart to the US attorney in the DC circuit back in August of twenty nineteen it doesn't necessarily say that jared or Donald. Trump junior were engaged in any conduct that would be illegal but it does note that there were discrepancies between their testimony before the Senate Chamber and the this money of Richard Gate so that's something. That is worth noting the most damning conclusions from that letter were about Steve Bannon some other trump associates where they were accused, of miss providing, misleading statements to the Senate Chamber, and that of course could be referred on to criminal investigations but we don't really know what happened. There hasn't been any discussion. The US attorney for the DC district hasn't said anything nor has the Department of Justice in that by itself might be worth thinking about as well. So Rucker back over to you, the headline is so numbing tonight at or about three hundred, thousand projected deaths by December I just in time for our country to head into the holiday season Joe Biden told John's network today that he would be willing to indeed shut down the country again, if that was the advice of science of according to your reporting has there been any attempt at re figuring the official position of this administration on this virus and it's slow march from CDC other than their current policy statement something like it is what it is. Not Exactly Brian there is there has been a slow recognition. This summer that the virus is not going away, which of course is what president trump has repeatedly projected. It's also by the way what vice-president pence declared a Net Wall Street Journal editorial a couple of months ago they now acknowledge that that these numbers are bad that they are growing that. We're going to have this Irish with us. For some time, but there is not any sort of a new national strategy for how to confront it and how to get rid of it. In fact, testing remains a problem in some places. People are way are taking days sometimes as long as a week or longer to get the results of their tests which render those results relatively mood fair. They're trying to control community spreads and there's very inconsistent. Rules around the country when it comes to precautions like wearing a mask or social distancing or what to do about restaurants in any of the other member of a public gathering places where this virus has been spreading, and so we have a patchwork solution out in the states we have from the president somebody WHO's trying to demonstrate command of the virus and focus on the public relations aspects of it without really forcefully confronting the virus in a way that scientists public health officials believe is necessary in order for the United States to control these numbered. Giancarl, you get the last word before we lose you before you return to the friend link compact. A ABC News so is what we're looking at during this campaign as masks have been and blue politicized. Are we going to see rallies politicized meeting? It's the trump campaign that will allow and promote gatherings of humans. I think that's what you're going to see next week I mean the the president we don't know much frankly because they're still cobbling it together. They weren't planning anything remotely like a Virtual Convention Intel dawned on them that they wouldn't be able to do the big convention in Jacksonville Florida but but I, think it every one of these a every one of these nights there will be an audience of some. Kind, we saw the president before an audience today in. Virginia, by the way, almost none of the people wearing masks there we saw him out in Scranton yesterday a same drill. He knows he can't get those big arenas because the state simply won't allow them, but he will be doing a events with people and try to make that contrast to draw with with Joe Biden, who will not be doing that. Great. Thanks to our big three. After the week, we've had on this Friday night to fill rucker to giancarl to Professor Melissa Murray. Thank you coming up for US DONALD TRUMP says a by the presidency would mean mayhem in our streets but our next guest calls trump's leadership. Disaster Boston Mayor Marty Walsh shoes managing a big city in a pandemic is here to tell us why he believes Joe Biden could manage our big country in pan-demic and later as the Democrats exit stage left some unconventional wisdom from Presidential Historian and author Michael Beschloss all part of the eleventh hour just getting underway on an exhaustion fueled Friday night. 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It's going to be the highest turnout election in history, which means that it is a persuasion game and many others who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our world. I really enjoy our conversations I help people will. Join me for new episodes. Every Tuesday. Just search for why is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe I would be prepared to do it. Every takes to save lives because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus that is the fundamental flaw of this administration's thinking to begin with. So if the sizes say shut it down I would shut it down I would listen to the scientists. Biden's approach to the corona virus is in stark contrast to the president trump has been pushing for reopening all science seemingly aside and pressuring schools to reopen as well as you know just today, the city of Boston announced all public schools will start the school year remotely and here with US Tonight Mayor That City Marty? Walsh. Mayor Talk About your decision as we've been saying night in and night out going back to school is the most intensely personal decision for parents for the educators because of everyone in your network everyone, you go home to your level of risk and they're so tell us what factored into your decision hadn't honestly what the reactions. I, the I'm going to do in phases here in Boston and it's an all Ogden. So parents choose not disindicators not comfortable. They don't have to. We're going to start on September twenty first remote and we're GONNA be. Gearing up I think it's October. First, it'll be a special special needs. Kids with special needs and then after that I think it's October. Fifth will be K, zero, K one K two, and every two weeks afterwards. But were basing all of this on science, and it's going to tell us where the scientists moment where testing rate is right now in Boston testing rate is two point eight percent. Test Positive for coronavirus if we get to four percent will not be opening school. For openness school in a row in a hybrid model, we get the four percent will be closing back down. So with a hopeful I mean I think the best education kids get in in in in schools, elementary schools and high schools is in person, but we are putting our kids I will putting the safety of them and their teachers and the staff are. So a hope is to get to a hybrid model But again, we're going to base it on how viruses, what the rates in the city of Boston with emergency room rates are as we've done everything here in the city. One point and a question first off not enough has been said during this pandemic in lockdown about the special burden. On a special needs, parents during this time. So I'm happy to to hear about that and publicize it number two though you heard Joe Biden said, he would shut down again if that was the the advice if that was the science that sounds an awful lot like the makings of a potential national plan what price do you pay as mayor of a big New England city for the absence of a national plan on this for everything kind of being ad libbed Pay Price. Right now in the city, we went to our surge back in. May June and in from July and August Saturday level off. We're averaging like I said over seven day period anywhere from one point nine to two point eight percent. We're a college town in Boston we have you know dozens of colleges in right now quite honestly, we're concerned about all of these students coming from the states that the numbers are just going through the roof states that shut down for a short period of time states mandating masks states that debt really didn't take the virus seriously I think as a country if we shutdown university across the country, the beginning of this virus would be a lot better shape as the United States of America. In terms of the coronavirus but now we have hot spots all over the country is not under control in from the very beginning of this. The trump white, house has been a failure I'm not providing the now providing ventilators. We we all watch the story of New York City in New York state on the beginning of this. There has been no national pain from the very beginning. There's still no national plan and it's great to hear the Joe Biden's talking about that in. The country down even bosses lower I would support him because it's about containing in eliminating the virus. I have to ask you what are you hearing about your? From your constituents about mail service in Boston. Concern in the city of Boston as I don't get the number today. But as of last week, we've received with sent out seventy five thousand valid applications to folks we've returned their returned get given back sixty ballots sixty thousand shooting sixty, thousand ballots received about six thousand ballots back in the mail. So there was major concern last week when the postal service reversed. Risk. What they did wrong now is little more comfort here but people our very skeptical of the male and we have a primary election on September first in Massachusetts and then we have the general election in. November to send that type of. Fear, across America is really a bad thing. I mean I think that a lot of people wanNA vote by mail they don't want to go in person virus is going to be very much front and center and having hundreds of millions of people going out to vote is a problem meaning hundreds of millions. Over one, hundred, million America's vote in the presidential election it's concerning. Time for all good bus donations to get to the Cape few hours left in this Friday Night Mayor Marty Walsh of Boston mass. Thank you very much for making time for us. Tonight we greatly appreciate it coming up for us to claim Mike Pence makes when confronted with something he said about the corona virus quote that hasn't aged well more on that when we come back. You said, the panic is overblown. You said that on June sixteenth how was the concern overblown? Well John. What was At. That time as you will remember, we were seeing cases declining and most of our scientists believed that we were we were well on our way toward lowering cases, but sometime around Memorial Day things changed. You may remember one Mike Pence told, Geraldo Rivera the pandemic would largely be behind us by Memorial Day. For that matter, you may faintly remember Memorial Day. You may also remember back on June sixteenth Mike Pence insisted all available evidence to the contrary that the US was winning the fight against the invisible enemy. Nearly sixty thousand souls have died just in time since he said that. And this week's outbreaks have forced some big colleges like university North Carolina, and Notre Dame to change classroom learning plans again. In fact right there and Mike. Pence's home state at the student run newspaper Notre. Dame. An editorial with the headline don't make us right obituaries joining US tonight for a status report doctor, Irwin redlener pediatrics physician senior research scholar at Columbia University's Earth Institute. Also, the founding director of Colombia's National Center for Disaster Preparedness With an expertise in pandemics. Dr Simple question to start you off where do we stand as a nation and where does this virus stand as of tonight? Yes. So we remain serious. Brian. We still have the highest number of cases and proportionately the highest number of deaths of any country in the world. This is nowhere near over for us, and now we're about to open schools and I'm really kind of very concerned about where this is all going to go and I think the experience that you just cited about what's happening in the universities is a good warning for us that this is not going to go necessarily well or easily in terms of controlling the spread of this virus. Once we put fifty five to fifty, six, million children back in school and in one form or another. So we have a lot to watch out for Bryan. And is there something we're doing wrong on college campuses? Can it be done better or are we just bumping up against human nature trying to separate humans and keep their distance kind of? Bumps up against what college is all about You know. That's a really good point to. These we're talking about eighteen to twenty, two year olds who order to go to school thinking they're pretty immoral and really craving and I can. Remember. Being that age craving, the social context and the interactions. It is an extremely difficult ask of college students to remain separate into follow the basic public-health rules as the grandfather of a twenty year old. They don't how state I know firsthand. He went back last week and I'm I'm really worried about him but but I think the point you're making is extremely well taken. Are we asking too much of America's college and University Students Have there been moments. I was looking at the Biden event last night. The Democratic ticket came out the back door of the event center in Wilmington to this parking. Lot of looked like a drive in movie on an August night cars people on their hoods but they had come as a unit they were all watching fireworks watching the proceedings on a big screen. It was an instance of the public figuring out public health because we have not been able to look to our government at all times. Do you Do you congratulate those work arounds that have worked or do you look at everything and think go slow? We can't guarantee any of these events before a vaccine. Brian and I think going slow as is the key direction here going slow but going some sort of coordinated consistent manner with good national leadership and by the way. Biden. Made that remark that On Day One, he's going to change everything about the way we fight covert and I usually that's just kind of a political rhetoric and whatever. But in this case, I, actually think on day one, the Biden Harris team is going to change everything about how we've approached this. This covert threat and we'll see national leadership. We'll see honesty it's going to be shocked to America but we're going to see truth telling we're GONNA see scientists dependent upon not derided. By the federal leadership and we're GONNA see a team that's going to take this very seriously and I'm looking forward to that. But in the meantime, we do have to look for these signs of hope and. I don't want be doctor doom here I do think that we have to go slowly we have to watch very carefully when we start putting our children back in schools but I think we've got a taste of serious grownup politics and policy-making over this last week with the Democratic convention. Doctor. Redlener our thanks as always especially for staying up late with us on a Friday night after I. Keep saying after the week we've all had a greatly appreciate coming up after the week we've all had and right when we need a presidential historian, Michael beschloss happens to be standing by to talk with us after this break. Hi, everyone. It's joy Reid I'm so excited to tell you about my new MSNBC show the readout every weeknight I'm talking with the biggest news makers about the most pressing issues of our time like Joe Biden the words president matter and so as President United States the first thing I'm GonNa do is stand up and talk sense and be honest with the American people level with them Atlanta Mayor Keisha land's bottom we need as many voices as we can have as. Possible sounding the alarm encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions and to follow the science and the data Senator Kamala. Harris. We. Send folks into war wearing camouflage. So what is going on here when you said camouflage uniformed officers into a city and many more, you can listen to the readout as a podcast by searching for the readout that's R. E. D. O. U. T. One word wherever you're listening right now and subscribing for free. Thanks for listening. This is our moment. This is our mission. History be able to say. That, the end of this chapter of American doctors begin here tonight. As love and hope and light joined in the battle for the soul of the nation. And this is a battle we will win and we'll do it together. I promise you. We're going to talk to a man now who takes the long view of history and also assesses it right then and there on the fly and indeed our next guest called last night's remarks by Joe. Biden. Quote easily the best and most affecting speech Biden has ever delivered back with us again tonight, our friend Michael Beschloss author presidential historian as many must read works include his latest presidents of war Michael Trump today call this the darkest convention in History duty bound to remind everyone watching the theme of his inaugural address was American carnage and his goto thematic line on the stump. These days is they're coming for you. So how do we process that? Yeah, well, like being called ugly by a Frog I guess. This was only dark because the Democrats were saying that this country is in a very difficult situation. When Brian can you think of it convention, I've been trying to where there was so much talk about the possible destruction of democracy if the president wins a second term that was the theme of what both Obama's said, it was a little of the theme of what Joe Biden said last night you have to go back. To Eighteen sixty when speakers at all the We're talking about the fact that there might be a civil war that made in the United States or nineteen, thousand, nine, hundred, forty when people on the convention floor of the Democrats in Chicago. We're talking about the fact that we were facing a world possibly dominated by Adolf, Hitler and the Imperial Japanese. What could we do here is that kind of apocalyptic talk and if it was dark this week that was the reason and the reason was the world that Donald Trump has in a way created. And with that vote coming up the president has tried his best to diminish a mail in voting. Remind the folks watching. The roots deep roots in our history that the post office has the deep affection that American generations have had for the post office. This is not a partisan issue. No it's not and it's a big part of American Lore, who was the first postmaster general of the United States Benjamin Franklin Seventeen seventy five Abraham Lincoln was the postmaster of new Salem. Illinois I'm sure you've been there and seen his restored post office you can walk him. Now if you go to visit. Nine thousand nine hundred sixty the first fully automated post office in the United. States Providence Rhode Island the founders had an almost reverent and sentimental view of what the post office could do for this country so much so that they put it in the constitution they said that our government is responsible to provide post offices and post roads they knew that that was the only way to pull the states of a very diverse nation together. Let's talk about what was lost in what was gained not having the usual convention crowd and you and I have talked about this before instead it was kind of a laptop friendly et convention Joe Biden for one was able to modulate his speaking style between something just shy of a shout and just north of a whisper and have a very intimate conversation. No one needs to remind you that the average acceptance speech even at the worst live convention, there's that by rote need to applaud at the end of virtually every sentence. This was not that. No it wasn't and I was SORTA bracing myself not to like this convention because I thought compared to the conventions of the past, which we all love a lot of things about them. This would be sort of orwell meets Broadway play. The best man that this would be something we'd never seen before and actually the artistry of the people who put this invention together and appeared in it made this not only something that was a worthy substitute but. The certain way better I love the roll call of the states to be able to not just here. Some guy saying you over here is the vote of the sunshine state but instead go to Wyoming and say the parents of Matthew Shepard the young man who was beaten and killed for the beauty of new. Mexico is showed America and all of its beauty and its richness, and the other thing is that I think the obamas addresses were extremely powerful. Extremely, moving, give you an enormous sense of what is take of this fall Joe Biden. I'm not sure that those addresses would have been so powerful if they had been just as you were saying Brian in a big hole with balloons coming down and applause and people blasting trumpets. Michael in our closing seconds, we saw a striking image today a casket coming out of the North Portico of the White House after services for the president's brother. When was the last time we saw such an image. Pretty Rare. We saw for instance Abraham Lincoln Son Willie as you know died when he was president and presidents do have a lot of leeway over how they use the mansion. So. This was a sad occasion today does have some precedents and others in American history Michael Beschloss our thanks as always. We hope you enjoy a good weekend. Thank you for staying up with US tonight coming up for us the news come so fast now, it's hard not to turn away when the next thing comes along. But tonight, we must turn back and update you on something that shocked the world when it happened. While we have been focused on politics this past week, let us please not forget that Lebanon is dealing with dueling emergencies. The government has imposed a two week lockdown to contain a surge of corona virus, and of course, the city of Beirut now has hundreds of thousands of newly homeless people following that gigantic explosion there earlier this month and eight troubling percentage of these struggling recent survivors are children. So we get an update on the situation there tonight from NBC. News, Foreign Correspondent Matt Bradley. Shockwaves nearly three weeks since the explosion that destroyed Lebanon's capital. Nights. six-year-old Celeste absorb it's as if the blast happening now. Over and over again in her mind. The Room I screamed I was calling grandma grandma. She's terrified of loud noises. But that shippers from nightmares and speaks constantly of death. Scared from the sound and sometimes I can't get to the bathroom in time she says. The be blasts killed one, hundred, seventy, seven people and injured thousands more among the casualties the delicate minds of they routes children. How long will the children be living with these psychological scars? That if they're not if they're not addressed. Then starts can. Even before the blasts Lebanese children were suffering along with their parents I a devastating financial crisis then covid nineteen and finally. One of the largest non nuclear explosions ever recorded eighty thousand homes destroyed three hundred, thousand people left homeless including one, hundred, thousand children. Some injured others orphaned most scarred. Haggen his twin sister Rita both six years old every afternoon for the first week, they would wait for another explosion. Explosion hasn't left my ears since a hag would it did to our house? It's still in my is. This is not normal for a child witness such things you know in terms of. What they saw what they heard. Relief Agencies Caritas. Are Rushing to reach these children and offer guidance to parents. Finding space is another struggle one, hundred twenty schools were either damaged or destroyed with so much desperation aid agencies worry parents. Education we. Last. Alongside the economic crisis will had before would not eat. Again, a decrease in enrollment. In education because then it's basically a dire future jeopardized. Leaving a mark on children's minds long after the city is rebuilt. Matt Bradley NBC. News. What a devastating situation they're coming up for US something to watch over the weekend something. The Republicans. Will be forced to watch during their convention next week when we continue. Last thing before we go on the Friday night, something to watch over the weekend something to put on your calendar for the start of next week in addition of course, to the beginning of the Republican National Convention we are looking at the possibility of a I in our history. The first time since they started keeping records that to named hurricanes will be churning side by side at the same time in the Gulf of Mexico. Their names are Laura and Marco. They're not there yet but they're getting their meteorologist assure US they won't merge but there's a bigger chance. They could spread out the misery and dance alongside each other or steer. Each Other and we have to pray that the Gulf cannot support to big storms. There's also a chance that competing for food in effect heat and tropical air would lessen one storm or the other or both. It's still a long way off but it's still possible. We don't need to say this to the folks there. But as we mark the fifteenth anniversary of Katrina and as nerves remain raw and Houston where hurricanes are concerned the Gulf states gave the office a long time ago, and in the worst case scenario, one of these is headed to Texas. The other two Louisiana during a pandemic that has hit both of those states hard. Still it's early at, but we ask that you spare a thought for the folks in the Gulf between now and when we next see you on Monday night for now, that is our broadcast for this evening, and for this week, please try to have a good and safe weekend on behalf of all my colleagues here at the networks of NBC News Good Night.

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Day 942: Trump says economy's great and attacks Democrats, FOX News, and the Fed

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Day 942: Trump says economy's great and attacks Democrats, FOX News, and the Fed

"Tonight a president reportedly most worried about the rising and serious talk of an economic downturn goes after all kinds of grievances on social media including but not limited to the crowd at his rally last week a former eleven day of the purchase of a foreign territory and how he lost the popular vote plus us reports tonight that there's a possible plan for tax cut on americans payroll checks to try to bolster the economy and that possible recession that the white house says is incoming anyway and updates tonight on a possible clash of the political titans in massachusetts and the ongoing shame and the city of newark where the message is is. If you want drinking water without lead. You're going to have to come and get it. All of this as the eleventh hour gets underway on monday night. Well good evening once again from our n._b._c. News headquarters here in new york as we start a new week day nine forty forty two of the trump administration finds a president who is facing down ominous signs about his reelection and warning signs about an economy me possibly headed for a sharp slowdown tonight both the washington post and the new york times report the administration is considering ways to help prop up a weakening the economy and hold off recession among the options reportedly on the table a temporary payroll tax cut possibly reversing some of president trump's tariffs and a plan to reduce capital gains taxes. The white house is pushing back on that first option one official telling n._b._c. news and we quote cutting payroll rolled taxes is not something under consideration at this time we should add in a place where mines have been known to change trump's trying to shrug off concerns about the economy while again blaming his federal reserve chairman jerome powell and his political opponents quote our economy is very strong despite the horrendous lack of a vision by jay powell and the fed but the democrats are trying to will the economy do bad to be bad for purposes of the twenty twenty election the fed rate over a fairly short period of time should be reduced by at least one hundred basis points with perhaps some quantitative easing as well just yesterday the washington host phil rucker who joins us in just a moment was asked asked trump if the white house is prepared for a possible downturn yeah phil honestly. I'm prepared repaired for everything. I don't think we're having a recession. We're doing tremendously well. Our consumers the rich i gave a tremendous tax cut and they're loaded up with money at their buying. I saw the walmart numbers. They were through the roof just two days ago <hes> that's better than any poll. It's better than any economist and most economists actually say fill that we're we're not going to have a recession trump may also be rattled by the latest fox news polling that shows him underwater leading democratic twenty twenty candidates so so much so he's now lashing out at a network. He has considered the home team. Fox is a lot different that it used to be. I can tell you that fox's change range and my worst polls have always been from fox. Is something going on at fox. I'll tell you right now and i'm not happy with it. President also says he doesn't believe the fox poll all because of the size of the crowds at his rallies it appears he was most recently angered by images of empty seats at his rally last week in manchester astor new hampshire every place i go. We have lines outside. I think seventeen thousand people outside the couldn't get in the fire marshall's close <music> at a certain level the arena announced. I don't know the people at the arena that i broke elton john's record and then i have fake news so that was an amazing evening and you saw the enthusiasm along with crowd size trump has returned to another favorite topic alleged voter fraud in the last presidential election. John never proven and he's pushing a new conspiracy theory writing quote google manipulated from two point six million to sixteen million votes for for hillary clinton in the two thousand sixteen election. This was put out by a clinton supporter. Not a trump supporter. Google should be sued. My victory was even bigger than thought. There is is no evidence of that in fact it came shortly after a discussion aired on fox business about one psychologists research on the popular vote research that google has refuted hillary clinton responded today writing this the debunked study you're referring to was based on twenty. One undecided decided voters for context. That's about half the number of people associated with your campaign who have been indicted then. There's the president shifting positions when it comes to gun in control immediately after those mass shootings in dayton and el paso combined death toll thirty-one trump sounded ready to support new background check act laws much as he did following the parkland school shooting last year the guns i go through process and we're going to get this done in a bipartisan manner. I'm not even worried about sixty. I really believe that sixty votes sixty percent meaning is should be so easy eighty one hundred percent. I could do meaningful very meaningful background checks. I want to see it happen. I think we can bring up background checks. It's like we've never had before tonight. Any carney of the new york times reports with her colleague maggie haberman that quote after discussions with gun rights advocates during his two week working vacation in bedminster new jersey including talks with wayne lapierre's the chief executive at the n._r._a. Mr trump's resolve appears. I too have substantially softened and here's what he was saying to reporters as recently as yesterday people don't realize we have very strong background and checks right. Now you go into by gun. You have to sign up there. A lot of background checks that have been approved over the years. Just remember this big mental problem and we do have a lot of background checks right down as all of this unfolds the battle continues between the president and his former employees of less than two weeks quote anthony scaramucci mucci is a highly unstable nutjob. I barely knew him until his eleven days of gross. Incompetence made a fool of himself bad on t._v. Got fired wrote a very nice book about me. Just recently and now is the book ally he was a mental wreck. We didn't want him around now. Fake news put him on like he was. My buddy earlier this evening. Scaramucci was back on cable t._v. Again talking about replacing trump's somehow on the twenty thousand ticket this entire cabinet like hates his guts cuts and most of the congress like the wicked witch of the west the water gets thrown the which melts so i'm telling my fellow republicans and my fellow americans begins. There is absolutely no reason to be frightened. We have to come together now and call this for what it is and if we do that we do that together. Either we can beat it back and then we can get a really experienced republican candidate to go against some of the democratic adversaries that have already been declare here for our leadoff discussion on a monday night philip rucker pulitzer prize winning white house bureau chief for the washington post the aforementioned any carney white house reporter with the new york times and bill kristol back with us as well a veteran of the reagan and bush administrations director of defending democracy together and editor at large of the bulwark on the web good evening to you all phil rucker. The president said to you in bedminster just yesterday. He was prepared for anything. I would agree. I think not brian. I think that's why you see so much anxiety inside the white house right now while you have the president out there declaring that the economy domestically at least is healthy and that there is nothing to worry about and he does not foresee a recession because he is the one in charge a ah behind the scenes the advisers economic team at the white house has been scrambling to come up with some plans some measures that they can take in order to <hes> boost consumer confidence in order to reassure the business world and save off what seems to be early signs right now an economic downturn and at the core or of all of this is concerned as always about the president's political survival. He thinks about nothing more than than re election. <hes> all the time it's top of mind for for him and the concern is that he is banking on a strong economy in order to win reelection in november of two thousand twenty and if there's a downturn if you know there's a recession jenner something even more devastating that could spell defeat for the president politically and any all of this necessarily gets us into the reporting by a europe paper and fills paper about a possible payroll tax cut or other type of tax cut and our viewers would be forgiven for saying to themselves elves. Hey i thought this president just worked through a huge tax cut before he did and this is something. This was news that the white white house immediately tried to downplay after the washington post first reported the story first of all this was a white paper put together by his economic could visors that hadn't yet reached trump's is so this is not something that was presented to him in the oval office today. It's not there yet people. I spoke with said that this was something a contingency plan and that right now. They're at the stage of looking what what previous administrations had done during a recession and just putting all options on the table really though the message here is that trump zone advisers are making contingency plans for him while he goes out there and says there's nothing wrong. There's never session and the walmart sales are great and everything is fine. The real question for trump going into reelection is can he put any blame on a potential downturn on his fed chair on the media on these people. He's been trying to blame when as we saw last week at his manchester rally his pitch to voters is love me or hate me. You have the vote for me because if you don't your 4._0._1._k. Will tank. What does he do when that argument is no longer valid and that's the real question for him right now. Bill kristol on social you'll media talking about crowd size re-litigating the popular vote talking about <hes> scaramucci and as they say the whole world is is watching our mutual friend. Eugene robinson writes this. The astonishing thing is that the president of the united states is. Let's face it raving loony taken. Everyone just shrugs. The truth is that we don't have an actual presidency right now. We have a tiresome reality. Show whose ratings have begun to slide and who's fading fading star sees cancelation on the way bill your response. It's interest it's interesting with anthony scaramucci coming out just a week or two ago and saying that trump's getting worse people around trump or worried. Then trump's seems to sort of confirm it with his tweets. I think that's pretty the striking and and give scaramucci who otherwise people might discount a little bit some credibility and i do think if others start to say i was we're not. I'm not like bill kristol never-trumper. I was four chomped by voter from. I wanted it to work but i just can't afford a second term. That could be a pretty interesting moment if you put together the economic downturn which may or may not come but germany's already in recession so that's a real question mark. If you put together what's going to happen. I've been in september in the senate where mitch mcconnell seems to have committed to bringing up a gun bill which as you reported the president is now backing off on this election security legislation russian which there'll be a lot of pressure to bring up which the president won't be happy with and i think we'll have one or two x congressman announcing that they are going to join now in the bill weld in the in the field to challenge president trump for the republican nomination they won't beat him presumably but again that could be a bit of a <hes> sort of a challenge not just a challenge but a sense that you know it's not so one hundred percent inevitable that everyone has to just we s to the renomination of donald trump phil rucker presidents are entitled to their own counsel. They're entitled to their privacy but what we have as an arrangement covering this president especially while at a trump branded property like bedminster new jersey is the opposite of transparency. I've not once seen a briefing from a briefing room there europe and it's been over one hundred days since we saw the briefing room in the west wing having said that we are told now by both of your newspapers that the president has had had contact with people in his life who may have moved him back to the comfortable right on things like gun control. That's right brian in <hes> you know yesterday evening at the end of the president's vacation in new jersey we had that long queue a session with him on the airport tarmac and i asked him repeatedly about gun control. What exactly is your position on background checks because it was only a week or so ago that he was saying he supported very powerful background checks. He thought it would be <hes>. The sort of obvious next step for policy making following the two horrific mass shootings el paso and dayton ohio and his position has changed almost overnight on sunday night in new jersey he was saying i'm not gonna say anything about background checks until congress figures out some solutions and gets back to me and then he said by the way keep in mind we already have these very strong background checks and it's a mental health problem in many went on to advocate for reopening a series of mental health institutions that shuttered the united states back in the nineteen fifties and sixties of course for inhumane practices there so this is not a president who's it seems to be warming to the idea of any sort of gun control and we should keep in mind. This is not a question about taking away assault rifles or lowering the size of magazines means. This is about background checks. Universal background checks to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill in the other dangerous people in their supported. According to polling by by eighty to ninety percent of the american public ninety four percent i saw one ninety four anne kearney and this is why that cliche about the last person who <unk> who talks to him gets to decide his viewpoint comes up now and again. This is a kind of post parkland established rush pattern as we said at the top of the broadcast any yeah that's right after parkland. He also made big gestures of really wanting to do some major action on guns and that he changed his business in there after a late night oval office meeting with n._r._a. Officials and then came out and said he would veto any bill background checks so this turnaround is a familiar playbook as chuck schumer said i think in a statement today said we've seen this movie before but it is a reminder that however much trump wants to say he's going to do something in the moment. After a mass shooting or crisis he ultimately molly get swayed back to playing to his base and while democrats i think want to see him do something and don't want to want to leave the option open then maybe he'll come back in september and and try and move congress again to do something they admitted that at this stage at a campaign when in every other play he's making in terms of attacking the four <hes> congresswoman of color freshman democrats in terms of tacking elijah cummings is a base play. They don't see how it would fit into his playbook right now to to do some major legislation on guns when he believes that members of that are a make up a huge part of his base bill kristol about the polling. Do you believe any of it the summer before an election year. Do you believe any of the national polling. Is it relevant to you. I mean it's somewhat relevant or is it just the direction it's going. It doesn't say what where will be twelve or fifteen months but i think andy any mentioned the base play the attack on congressman cummings the attack on the four representatives the rhetoric about invaders and then the his obviously pursued terrible el paso shooting. I mean that six week. We forget this about six weeks ago. Where people weren't sure if that was that they thought that might work. Remember even invite democrats. Were kind of worried. You know this is he's. He's so good at this and working at the base. It seems pretty clear from the polling wherever the piece in the bulwark early tomorrow morning putting making this argument that it has not worked. He's in fact he's he's lost. Some voters and i've seen <hes> reports reports of a couple of focus groups where there are some real. Oh you know soft trump's supporters people voted for him saying this is just a little too much you know a little disruption has been fine his little vulgar we could live with that some of the tweets but now we really talking about dividing the country on race ethnicity even more than he was doing before and what would a second term be like. I think that's getting in their little. The polling suggests that and so trump looks at the things well gee. This is my sort of my my whole card. This is my ace and if this doesn't work and the economy is slowing. I do think he's really word our thanks tonight to our big three for starting us off as we begin a new weekday phil rucker to any carney bill kristol greatly appreciate you three coming on and coming up for us. The president says he does not see a recession china ahead because american consumers we heard him say at are loaded up with money tonight what the actual economists have to say and later. It's tough to beat eat. A massive -chusetts democrat was forty years under his belt in the congress unless europe kennedy well. That's the drama playing out in the bay state tonight. Does the eleventh hour is just getting underway. President trump says the u._s. Economy is doing tremendously well. Even as others warn. We are staring at an approaching downturn downturn. A dual byline piece from the associated press reports quote privately trump is growing increasingly worried. The economy won't look so good. Come election day day. Though a pre-election recession here is far from certain downturn will be a devastating blow to the president who has made a strong economy his central argument for for a second term as we heard in our last segment on television trump administration officials have been dutifully downplaying the risk of something bad around the corner. The fact is the fundamentals of our economy are very strong and you know it beer. We have more people working in this country right now than ever before. In the nation's history before i came to the white house they spent a better part of twenty years forecasting the business cycle and stock market trends and when i can tell you with certainty is that we're going to have a strong economy economy through two thousand twenty and beyond with a bull market sure don't see a recession we had some blockbuster. <hes> retail sales consumer numbers toward the back end of last week really blockbuster numbers back with us again tonight. Stephanie rule a veteran of the investment banking and business world and host of the nine a._m. and one p._m. Hours hours here on m._s._n._b._c. You get what larry was saying. Here's what i need fact. Check the economic indicators for us and when on foreign leaders when economists in germany here those guys we just aired. Do they think it's crazy talk. They're just utterly confused. As it's our business leaders i spoke to a number of c. Suite business executives today who said we're sitting on cash. Because who knows what the president's policies are for his two top advisers peter navarro to say i can say with absolute certainty. The economy will be fine in two thousand twenty well. No one can say with absolute absolute certainty for larry cudlow to say there's no economic indicators first of all larry cudlow days before the crash in two thousand seven said we're a okay but as far as economic comic indicators go no one's cheering on a recession. No one is hoping for it for any sort of political gain. It's more about historical perspective. The economy is chugging along compared to other countries. We are doing well. Kellyanne conway is right. Unemployment is low but we're at a ten year point in economic expansion and the way financial cycles those work they go up and they go down. A recession is just two consecutive quarters of economic decline. That's not a crash. It's not a disaster. We're your ten. According into david rubenstein the co founder of carlisle since world war two cycles lasts seven years. We are do not celebrating it but due for a recession session. We know that that goes r._v. Sales are down twenty percent historically. That's as a recession is coming. I won't get into the penis of an inverted yield curve but that's the reason the dow dropped eight hundred points so to say there's no signs of it is just incorrect. A lot of people have their favorite industry to track. Some people like tracking r._v.'s others look at trucking uh. I know someone who looks at the sales of palettes wooden pallets because that's an instant indicator of planned shipping and activity. Here's the question if the payroll tax cut is sold to us as the solution and we're told it's everybody at one thirty k. as the top end everyone below its for working americans americans cost of good intentions. It feels good to say a payroll tax cut. Do people actually take the extra bump in their check and injected checked back into the national economy well. You don't have to take my word. You can look back to larry kudlow himself in two thousand eleven when he tweeted the payroll tax cut. It doesn't work because we saw during the obama amazed administration that payroll tax cut at two different times to try to spur consumer growth so larry kudlow made the argument. This doesn't work back then and now while the white house is denying it. They're mulling it over but the fact that they're mulling over a number of measures to keep us away from a recession session is confusing again because why would they be denying. There's any indicators will at the same time talking about payroll tax cut and i ask you. How are they going to pay for that. You've got guys like mark sanford potentially looking to primary the president saying. Shouldn't we care about the deficit. If you don't have ways you're going to pay for this. How you going to get added approved exerting care over the generations that follow after you indeed it is you're going to affect social security and all of those social security kirti recipients or people who are planning on it. Go out there and vote. It makes for a precarious situation. I think you have to be on the air and just over nine hours. Thank you very much for stopping by explaining all this stuff as usual our thanks to stephanie rule coming up a relatively new politician with last name. We all know steps forward but he's already getting blow blowback from a top presidential contender. It must be monday night in massachusetts politics <music>. We need ed markey in the senate now more than ever and here's why because he's he's a leader he's a fighter and he is a true progressive. Remember that right there because it's important elizabeth warren reaffirming her support for her fellow fellow massachusetts democratic senator ed markey the video endorsement was released amid growing speculation that marquee the cagey veteran would face a primary mary challenge from a much younger candidate from a very famous family. That would be the young man on the right hand side of your screen. Politico was first to report that a mysterious ally telephone pole that tested democratic representative joe kennedy the third against marquee in a head-to-head contest. I sparked speculation about the young congressmens congressmens intentions and the boston globe confirmed indeed kennedy will make a decision about whether to run in the coming weeks. We are happy to be joined tonight by i to journalists responsible for that reporting stephanie murray author of the politico massachusetts playbook and victoria mcgrane political reporter for the boston globe. Oh good evening to you both stephanie. I'd like to begin with you. How real is this. And how close do you think we are to a decision and an announcement sources close to kennedy. You're telling me that he's definitely considering this race and he is going to make a decision in the coming weeks. I think he's coming back from vacation the next couple of days and i think he'll definitely be sitting down with folks close to him donors advisers and really taking a serious and hard look at this <hes> victoria as you know he has a kennedy esque modern era resume little stanford little harvard little peace corps little money-making and now a seat in congress. Why now if you're joe kennedy a very young man still everyone has a shelf life life and if you're looking at massachusetts politics things people these spots do not open up very often and there's no guarantee see that he's gonna ever have a better shot to those who are urging him to run or looking at the buildup of incredible political talent in the state looking at the vulnerabilities of ed markey and frankly any longtime incumbent given the current rest of mood of the democratic electorate and we've seen that play out <hes> specifically here in massachusetts with the surprise <hes> primary victory by presley in two thousand eighteen and <hes> ah you know some people would argue and are you doing that. This is the time to do it to to if joe kennedy wants to be u._s. Senator that this might happy has best shot stephanie. There are whispers correct that the double secret strategy here is maybe to get a seventy three year old four four decade veteran of washington by way of the commonwealth of massachusetts to consider stepping aside and retiring and enjoying his life that that is something that's kind of been brewing among the chatter in the state <hes> so you had this secret poll. You see a group of folks who kennedy's worked within the past. I'm creating an effort to draft him for the senate. I think the next natural step here's for some public polling to come out in the next month or two and kennedy's private poll the globe reported showed him slightly ahead of of marquis i think after all of this news it might show him even more ahead of marquee and if if the polling looks bad for the incumbent <hes> that might lead them to retire but marquees campaign pain says there's no chance that'll happen that he's running for re election no matter who gets in the race so we're going to have to wait and see here victoria couple of things number one when marquis jumped on the green new deal a lot of veteran democrats found that very interesting the kind of people who whisper not on cable television that they don't find ended a serious document they thought his support for it so quickly and loudly and publicly was of note number two. Let's talk about elizabeth. This abyss warren joe kennedy. Was there for her announcement. He introduced her when it came time to make an a commercial. She's got aside with her brother. Senator from massachusetts well a couple of things in the warn endorsement first of all my reporting has been that kennedy has kept. There's very very close and it hasn't been until recently with the news broke about the poll that even other people in the delegation were necessarily aware that he was seriously looking at this so we don't know exactly when that video was cut but it was cut before the news broke that <hes> he that kennedy has is <hes> is is weighing this seriously so it's hard to know you know exactly what to make of it is certainly a warren gave some comments over the weekend weekend. She was asking if she was still endorsing marquee. She said yes as as been a great partner. Joe joe has also been a great partner. I've been i've known him since before we got in politics. He's an amazing guy. I'm paraphrasing here so she clearly has great affection for both of them and at the end of the day or an endorsement like this when you're have the kennedy name he doesn't need the name recognition that these sorts of endorse- -dorsements are helpful with though again it remains to be seen kennedy entity gets in the race. If marquis stays in how all of this will play but it's certainly putting everybody in massachusetts democratic circles and kind of an awkward position right now to who our viewers we have asked both hub journalists who stick around over this commercial break. We're gonna talk some more when we come back and coming up more news out of the commonwealth as has its senior senator issues yet another public apology for those claims. She has made about her heritage when we come oh back like anyone who's being honest with themselves. I know that i have made mistakes. I am sorry for harm. I have caused. I have listened and i have learned a lot and i am grateful for the many conversations that we've had together. It is a great honor to be able to partner with indian country sioux city iowa. Two thousand twenty canada with warren offered a direct apology today for her past. Ask claims of native american heritage comments came during that forum on native american issues a venue chosen seemingly in an attempt to put the controversy to rest at least talk about it. President trump made clear last weekend. He has no intention to let it go. I did the got this thing. I hit a really hard and it looked like she was down and out but that was too long ago. I should have waited but don't don't worry we will revive it. It can be revived was last thursday up in manchester new hampshire tonight. Elizabeth warren drew her largest campaign. Main event crowd yet an estimated twelve thousand people showed up to hear her speak at a town hall the outdoor kind in saint paul the minnesota still with us our stephanie murray and victoria mcgrane victorious starting with you twelve thousand people a lot of baseball teams would kill to have twelve thousand people in the stands. Does that say anything about her ability to put that issue which has been eh nagging negative for her to rest. I think it is the beginning of the year. All there's all sorts of news stories written about how this was it. She was you know not going to be able to overcome this fumble d._n._a. Tests what have you but the truth of the matter is even back then and when she was started doing these town halls started campaigning voters on the trail aren't asking her about this and and she has steadily climbed in the polls it does not you know her bringing up the apology again today. Notwithstanding it does not seem to be an issue at least in the democratic primary that is proving fatal to her stephanie the <hes> she is marketed herself otherwise as a candidate with a plan. She's been kind of in on the joke in that way. There are democrats who worry korea about how broad based her appeal is and that she's going to draw audiences of mostly ernest like-minded left and democrats well. The thing that you have to think about here is that going out and making this apology talking to native american people about these issues and listening to them is it to silence the president <hes> i think we all know that he's going to go continue down this road of using these nicknames and using these terms to define her <hes> <hes> and it's not about him. It's about getting other folks on her side and broadening her appeal among native american groups which is something that she's needed to do and tried to do over the last six six or seven months we greatly appreciate having the chance to talk to both of you on all of this to stephanie morita victoria mcgrane thank you both for we're coming on as we start a new week here and coming up the islamic state claims responsibility for yet another deadly suicide bombing this time a a wedding in kabul. It's an awful tragedy. All of this concise coincides with trump's plan to pull u._s. Troops out of afghanistan retired u._s. Army four star general barry mccaffrey ways in when we come back we're talking to afghanistan or both the government and oil so talking to the taliban have a very good discussions. We'll see what happens. We've really got it down to probably thirteen thousand people and we'll be bringing it down a little bit more and then we'll decide whether or not we'll be staying longer not can't be a laboratory for terror and we've stopped that and we have a very very very good view. I mean some things are going to be announced over the next couple of weeks. As to what happened who's been taken out. A lot of people have been taken out that were very bad. Both isis aces and al qaeda while a horrible event just this past weekend in stark contrast to the president's decidedly optimistic assessment of the situation in afghanistan. This is important a terrorist bombing at a wedding. The death toll was in the dozens. The associated press reports reports quote. The local islamic state affiliate claimed responsibility for the deadliest attack in the capital this year with sixty three killed one hundred eighty two wounded while while outraged afghans question just how safe they will be under an approaching deal between the us and the taliban to end america's longest war. We're here to talk about it with us tonight. General barry mccaffrey retired u._s. Army four star general heavily decorated combat veteran vietnam one of the u._s. ground commanders in the gulf war a former drug czar among his other roles general. What do you make of what the president said. How do you think afghanistan will the end for us. And how do you wish afghanistan would end for us well brian. I think it's fair to say that mr trump did not create create the mess in afghanistan but also think he's gonna end up owning a tragic outcome. We got this brilliant ambassador. Khalilzad knows more about afghanistan anyone in the u._s. Government negotiating and gutter with the taliban but mr trump has said publicly essentially. We're out politically by twenty twenty. So what is there to negotiate the taliban are also winning now control more terrain than they have in two thousand and one the afghan government government is fractured incompetent corrupt military semi dysfunctional no belligerent ever negotiate away way to have one in the battlefield. The situation looks tragic. The outcome will come soon after we withdraw as a commander are you have made the call to parents back in the states and if i am the parent of one of the twenty three thousand killed or wounded in afghanistan afghanistan. What do you tell me about the value of my son or daughter life about their injuries or god forbid the end of their lives well. It's it's a very difficult situation there. There's a parallel here to vietnam was no question vietnam we had essentially fifty nine thousand killed three hundred thousand wounded the the war came to not the u._s. Politically lost all belief in the outcome and we withdrew and cut off the money and it went under so the vietnam generation honoration which certainly includes me. <hes> were very bitter about our politicians. The media of there was a a real alien nation armed forces. We've got millions of us servicemen and women who fought and died in both iraq and afghanistan so the notion that you can casually casually pull the plug and walk away from it. You're going to be discounting the the commitment the sacrifice the courage in many ways of all those troops just for a little context here something. I think about a lot but we don't think to say often enough. Tell our viewers how unusual the pace of deployments has been for our armed forces given the fact that we've been at it for eighteen years well. It's remarkable. Go you know. I don't think there's been anything like this world war. Two which was an open ended commitment sixteen million people in the armed forces. The entire country was wrapped up on the war and committed to it but now we've got a very small essentially a cadre one percent of the population fighting our wars. Many of these young men and women have had they had done the senior. N._c._o.'s and lieutenant colonels have a dozen combat deployments and you know i remind people there's over sixteen fifty thousand killed and wounded the u._s. armed forces in iraq and afghanistan so it's been an unbelievable commitment or up to it. I think they'll stay end the fight as long as they are asked to. <hes> the footprint in afghanistan is now way down toronto twenty thousand nato forces <hes> but it's been a display of courage and commitment the likes of which country is rarely seen and also let our viewers now if the united states gets out. Does that mean everybody follow suit. I cannot imagine anybody in their right mind. Staying in the united states is the load bearing institution in this war. It's our helicopter air force our hospitals our communications our intelligence <hes> the tier one special operations forces there or in combat combat. Every night includes our allies but basically it's j. Shock it out of the out of our special ops unit so if we leave everyone's leaving by the way i think that will also withdraw all possible financial support from congress. We won't be in there and we won't be facing using the enemy. We won't see the results are on investment so i think the thing's going to go implode pretty rapidly. If we jerk the forces forces out by two thousand twenty general barry mccaffrey sobering conversation tonight they always are thank you very much for coming on the talk about it with us and coming up the a message from a major american city to the thousands who want clean water with no lead in it come and get it and update on the shame of newark new jersey after this last thing before we go here tonight is is the grinding urgent sad ongoing crisis in newark new jersey eight miles from this studio largest city in the most densely populated state in the a union this affects about fifteen thousand homes and as we've said there largely poor neighborhoods and if you live on the part of the city where the lead in your water exceeds federal enroll standards meaning it's poison to pregnant women meaning it causes brain damage in developing children then you qualify to pick up your own water to cases at a time at one of four distribution centers. The governor of new jersey says clean water is a right and not a privilege but apparently that does not include delivery brian thompson the veteran new jersey reporter for our n._b._c. station here in new york. W n._b._c. has been doggedly covering the story big local news story in this area not very big across the country again. Today he showed us the hardship the elderly and disabled in some cases with disabled family members back at home who are are forced to go get water which they do largely without complaint because for them in newark nothing has ever been easy. We went on the city of newark website. I tonight curious about the bottled water program thinking maybe we had missed an announcement that the city perhaps over this past weekend had come up with breakthrough idea like putting the water on on trucks and delivering it to those in need nope nothing to see here but we did see this waiting in the hot. Sun is not enough reengineering your life on household household function on sixteen ounce bottles of water not enough. Nope you better be ready to prove you really need those two complementary cases his of bottled water that you're prepared to lug back to your house in the hot sun and we quote residents must show the most recent proof of residency to pick up bottled water including a tax bill water bill lease agreement utility bill cable bill driver's license or government issued i._d. Well that'll that'll teach them all those people from those surrounding towns who were probably planning right about now to flood into newark for free water having grown up just twenty three miles from newark. I remember my friends were always scheming always planning some caper just to try to get our hands on some of that free newark water now back to real life and death in norc one more time. Let's look at some of the elderly disabled folks in newark as they struggled to get and then live on two cases of sixteen ounce bottles of water the question for all of new jersey's political leadership is very simple. If this was your mom. Would you stand for it. If this was your town. Would you stand for it or would you demand better. That's broadcast on this monday night as we start a new week. Thank you you so much for being here with us good night from our n._b._c. news headquarters here in new york. Hey it's chris saves from m._s._n._b._c. Every day. I come to the office and we make television. Show an everyday. I think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see out every day. They're driven by big ideas. Each week. 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Day 1,273: Trump reportedly 'encouraged' aide's attack on Dr. Fauci

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,273: Trump reportedly 'encouraged' aide's attack on Dr. Fauci

"Well good evening once again day twelve, hundred, seventy, three of the trump administration, leaving one hundred eleven days to go now until the presidential election not long ago this evening, the president confirmed a major shakeup and his reelection campaign staff. Brad par scowl is being demoted bill stepien former aide to Chris. Christie among others is the new campaign manager. Pascal will serve as an adviser for the campaigns data and digital operations. This change comes hours after a new round of poll numbers that show the trump campaign struggling to put it mildly much more on all of it coming up. We're also reporting on an alarming new sign. Sign of the severity of corona virus outbreaks across our country, which as of tonight has now seen three and a half million confirmed cases. This is bracing, even if you have just a passing knowledge of Florida, ten hospitals within Miami Dade County. The state's main hotspot have no ICU beds, remaining several other states including Georgia. Have seen sharp increases in cases over the past few weeks. The State's Republican governor this evening extended coronavirus restrictions until the end of the month. The order limits the size of gatherings, but does not mandate masks. In fact, it explicitly bans cities and counties from mandating masks across the state of Georgia. Atlanta of course has borne the brunt of Georgia's outbreak. The city's mayor to members of her family are among those infected trump was in Atlanta today, ignoring the city's mask mandate as he came down the steps of Air Force One of stop to plug an infrastructure plan. Nothing on his agenda involved the virus or the one hundred thirty eight thousand lives lost his only. To. The crisis came during his speech at a ups hub near the airport. Let me start by expressing my gratitude to every driver worker, an employee who has contributed to. This great success and continue to deliver for. Throughout our battle against the China virus goes by many different names about twenty one that I can figure. We maybe we'll use a different one every time we hit. Washington Post notes that trump and his team have yet to present. He real plan to deal with the pandemic Phil Rucker who joins us in just a moment along with his colleagues reporting it this way. There's no cohesive national strategy apart from unenforced federal health guidelines. Instead the administration is offering a patchwork of solutions often in reaction to outbreaks after they occur, although trump and his team declare sweeping objective such as reopening schools, they have largely shirked responsibility for developing and executing plans to achieve them putting the onus instead on state and local authorities earlier on this network, Atlanta's mayor talked about the lack of guidance from the federal. level. Everyone is doing something differently and I it is. It's extremely frustrating not to have leadership and guidance. It's giving a solid direction on how we move past this as a country. And this was interesting all day today. The White House has been trying to distance itself from the latest round of attacks on Dr Anthony Fauci attacks that originated inside the trump White House trump's trade advisor. Peter Navarro Attacked Pouch -I in this morning's USA Today as one. Does this morning a White House spokeswoman said the OP ED quote didn't go through normal. White House clearance processes and is the opinion of peace. ALONE DONALD TRUMP values the expertise of the medical professionals advising his administration few hours later, the president seemed to tossed Navarro under the bus. Made a statement representing himself. He shouldn't be doing that now. I I have a very good relationship with Anthony. Trump later insisted everybody at the White House was quoted all on the same team, including Ouchi but the LA Times reports one administration officials, said something different quote. Navarro had the president's permission to write the column and added not only was he authorized by trump. He was encouraged in an interview today with the Atlantic Shave responded to administration efforts to question his credibility. It is a bit bizarre. I don't really fully understand it if you talk to reasonable people in the White House, they realize that was a major mistake on their part, because it doesn't do anything, but reflect poorly on them and I. Don't think that that was their intention. I don't know I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. I can't explain Peter Navarro. He's in a world by himself. Found she went on to say. It's time to stop this nonsense and one note here, and let's be candid Americans. Who Value FAO cheese advice now have to hope he doesn't interview or podcast or zoom every day where we can at least see him and hear him and quote him because he's no longer allowed to appear White House Corona virus briefings, which, with very few exceptions are no longer happening and today in an apparent effort at damage control. The vice president posted a picture of his. His meeting with the world's leading infectious disease specialist in the situation room. No sign of Wolf Blitzer, Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stead who has been a cova down player and a mass denier seen here next to senator, Jim inhofe at the president's Tulsa Rally last month announced he has tested positive for the virus. He's the first governor to be infected. He says he's still hesitant to mandate masks in Oklahoma now. The Republican Governor Kay Ivey of Alabama did issue a statewide masked mandate, but had no. On how she wishes it to be enforced. The Nation's biggest retailer Walmart says its customers must now wear masks in its stores Kroger doing the same thing. No mask no shopping trip. These moves are finally being made as weary healthcare workers continue to fight to keep Americans alive. We're running out of space in the hospitals. We're running out more poorly of personnel we have seen. A drastic increase in covid nineteen patients. The patients range anywhere from. Young twenty year olds all the way up into the eighties ninety year old. I'm afraid that you know the healthcare system can tip We've never experienced where. We actually have to say no. People five, please. Protect Yourself. Do whatever you have to. Our Resources Limited. Heroic all of them here for our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday night. Philip Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning white. House Bureau chief for The Washington Post Co author along with his colleague, Carolina of the bestseller, a very stateful genius about said President Mayawati back with us as well. She's a former assistant. US Attorney for the Southern District of New York veteran of the New York City Mayor's office now with the new school in New York and Dr Eileen Marty is back with. With a professor, of infectious, Diseases at Florida International University in Miami, having spent twenty five years as a US Navy, officer, she also works with the WHO and in the past, has worked with teams, responding to outbreaks across the globe, good evening and welcome to you all Phil Rucker. Because this is year, beat on a daily basis Let's continue our campaign of candor here, not a great look to change up the campaign management with one hundred eleven days to go. You Know Brian Exchange which has been expected for a few weeks now really comes at a moment of peril for president trump politically speaking. He is trailing Joe Biden and he's trailing Joe Biden by increasing margins. By the day there are two polls that came out today, showing in with the double digits behind by double digits, Joe. Biden, and so trump is desperate to try to turn this around and figure out a way forward know changing the. The leadership of the campaign may not necessarily solve the problem, because so many of trump's political troubles have originated with the president himself with his lack of discipline with access. Even some of its own aides consider self sabotage. And until he turns that around his political fortunes may not turn around a nonetheless, he is turning the bill stepping in to try to get this campaign in order step in as a no nonsense sort of political operative. Who came up? INTO CAMPAIGNS OF NEW JERSEY, Governor Chris Christie. and has been trump orbit for some time and and certainly. Less drama and less of a public profile than Brad our scale hat. Hey Dr. we quoted you showed videotape of you on this broadcast last night. Saying that a lockdown and a place like Miami may be the only way to get the upper hand. It was then today that we learned that news that puts lump in your throat. That Miami Dade is out of ICU beds in your view is at time to get tougher. Unfortunately yes. But it's not just a matter of doing the lockdown. We have to set ourselves up to succeed. If we do do a lockdown in other words, we have to put in place those measures that we didn't put in place in the previous lockdown, and not just in Florida in many places, so we have to see in in order to get out of lockdown, we should follow at least the CDC guidelines of less than ten percent positively, or the better, even yet, the international guidelines of five percent and a whole bunch of other steps that I will be happy into if you want. Wells you mentioned the CDC guidelines director yesterday talked about masks. He said if were all willing to wear them for I think he said four to six weeks we could begin to get the upper hand on this I'm assuming you concur with that. I'm assuming as well. That would have been great to hear in March and April for all Americans. I actually began asking people in March and April and May and June two please wear masks because we know it's an effective way of reducing transmission, and in fact, my friend glorious that Font, even did a beautiful song on. Put on your mask. To get people to understand how important it is, this is this is something that we know works and should be implemented and it should. It should be a cohesive plan throughout the government of what we're doing this this this. This is like a third world country in it's embarrassing. It's very hard to our hospitals cannot continue to operate at one hundred percent capacity every single day. Our staff is exhausted. Exhausted and we need people to understand. This is very serious circumstance and we've got to turn this around. We've got to have enough contract tracing testing and the contact Tracy has to ask the right questions that has to be enough of them and the testing turnaround has to be much shorter. We have to get. It turned around in twenty four hours or forty eight hours twenty four hours ideally less. Maya Wiley. Let's talk about the intersection of all this and politics. I'm going to show you some poll numbers people asked. How they feel about Donald Trump what they credit him with what they view him as doing a poor job with. On the Economy Job Approval up twelve points, which means somebody must be having a good economy in this quarantine this pandemic, but Corona virus negative twenty two race relations negative thirty I am tempted to call those social issues, but these days they're more like existential issues, and do you agree that they just might count for more? There are absolutely existential. This is fundamentally polls telling us that Americans understand that we are questioning. Who are we really as a society and I suspect even on the positive poll numbers on the economy. That's a little bit of early exuberance, because of reopening because of the idea that trump himself has been peddling to the American public that all we need to do is go out and pretend. Pretend that everything is okay, and the economy will come back. And I think unfortunately as we just heard from the Congressional Budget Office. We're not looking at a quick recovery. We're looking at something that may take a decade that will depend on how we behave. What what we do, but right now the only thing that's consistent about Donald trump is his inconsistency. He has shunned any facts. Facts and used his position to distract the public from all of the Public Health Information and direction that we have been getting from public health officials like Dr Fouled, Shea and instead of reinforcing that message instead of using the office of the presidency to elevate science to tell people how we guard our lives, and to step in, and not just create a plan around Corona virus which is. Is Critical, but also a plan for the economy, a plan for recovery a plan where Democrats and Republican governors ally cast for fifty billion dollars, just to ensure that people can eat just to ensure that schools can operate safely and effectively just to do the basic services of government. It turns out. We need a national government, but right now we appear not to have a national leader. So, Rucker, the president's Deputy Chief of staff sends out over social media. Cartoon Mocking Dr Vouch E and then today this. Take down this hit piece in USA. Today, by Peter Navarro and educated man, a senior aide, important guy to this president attacking the foremost infectious disease specialist, maybe in the English speaking world perhaps on the planet. What is going on there? Brian. It's really remarkable that this is happening right now. As the cases are spiking as so many states are having to grapple with urgency measures related to this pandemic that this infighting is taking place, but I can tell you from my reporting. That Peter Navarro is not alone in the white. House in believing those views, he may have been alone in putting his name to that op Ed but there are many others who serve this president who are skeptical of the science who are skeptical of the urgency debate by Dr Foxy who who see Dr Actually standing in the way of economic progress in reopening at returning. This country to normalcy that is their view, and certainly the president's view because he shared it publicly in fact, one of the reasons why the White House aides. The recent days started distributing negative information opposition research so to speak about Dr Doughty is because they were trying to support the statements that the president himself was making when he said that Dr Foxy has been wrong. On a number of occasions of course Dr Fatty was not wrong on a number of occasions he was making judgments and real time based on what we knew about. The disease based on what we do about the science, and that information evolved tweet learned so much more. About covid nineteen two weeks go on and therefore Dr, flaxseeds, assessments and judgments have evolved as we learn new information, but nonetheless this is very unsettling to the medical professionals to the health professionals, the scientists in this government who are scrambling to try to protect this country from the pandemic. And and are being silenced. Doctor Let's be scary for one more minute. Am I hearing reports out of Hong Kong that this virus is mutating four and five times, which is very bad news in the vaccine business. Yes. It's mutating and we do have some issues with Possible issues with the vaccine were also seeing more instances of. People, several weeks and months down the road, turning positive again of and nineteen. We're still trying to tease out that out, but I just want to make one more comment about Dr Fao Chea. He was already at Nih when I was a young resident in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two at Walter Reed. Military Hospital, then called the national medical, center and I have the utmost respect for Dr Falcone he is phenomenal. Hard working on. Great scientists and it pains me to no end to see. Him spoken about in any way, but with utmost respect. Yep Two thirds of Americans who are gonNA least fog up mirror certainly agree with you on the amount of respect esteem. We have for that man. Maya Wiley is this going to sound petty and local, but it involves the president and your Bailey Wick. The president's going to fight the Manhattan DA's efforts to subpoena financial documents. He really doesn't want them out. What's the likelihood that he'll be successful or unsuccessful here? Very likely he will be unsuccessful, and it's just a continuation of the pattern of a president who wants to delay and distract rather than to deal with the very real problems that face the nation, and to take responsibility for his own actions. This one isn't one. He's going to be able to dodge forever whether he can tie it up and delay it long enough to get through an election. Possibly we don't know it's going to take a long time for the DA to go through a true in full investigative process. I suspect even once. It gets the records because it's going to go through it thoroughly, but I think that what all American voters should start understand right now. Is that Donald Trump has something to hide, but the one thing he can't hide from us is that he's driven nothing but division distraction and a failure to step up to the plate and deliver for this country, and that's something that the voters will have to decide on themselves in November. We learned a lot from our big three tonight. Much obliged to Phil Rucker. Dr Eileen Marty. Greatly appreciate you all starting off, thank you. Corona virus numbers way up his poll numbers way down not a position of strength for the trump campaign, which as we said under new management, effective tonight to professionals from the world of politics, standing by to talk with us and later. What if there were a cheap easy way to track corona virus that didn't rely on contact tracing and testing so many people well, it turns out. There is no lines no delays and we will take you there as the eleventh hour just getting underway on this Wednesday night. Scale of one to ten. How would you rate your response to this crisis? Dreaded attend I. Think we've done a great job, but we think some of the states can actually open up before the deadline of. May I. And I think that that will be a very exciting time, indeed vaccine or no vaccine. We're back and we're starting the process. I can tell you on covert or corona virus, so whatever you WANNA call it plenty names. Tremendous, progress is being made. We will defeat this virus in emerge stronger than ever before. If you were watching the dates and the upper left hand corner, then you saw they were all from about thirty day increments starting back in March on up to present day today at ups event in Georgia after four months, Corona viruses simply out of control, and what were in while controllable at one time is a full on public health crisis. Don't let anybody tell you any differently. According to our new NBC News Wall Street Journal Polling, seventy two percent of Americans say the country is on the wrong track. That is a sixteen point increase just since March. That's off the charts underwater in politics, and that same poll shows Baden ahead of trump by eleven points nationally. With us again tonight. Two of our returning champions, John, Heilemann author and journalist, our national affairs analyst Co host of the Circus on showtime and executive editor over at the recount also with us. Is Our friend Michael Steele former chairman of the Republican National Committee former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland these days the host of the Michael Steele podcast. Hey, Michael, steele is. New Management at the campaigns. GonNa make all the difference. Now because people don't vote for campaign managers, Donald Trump is still the candidate and at the end of the day. The people by the polling that you've already shared with us their response to what they see. The president along covid nineteen economy racial race relations. is saying overall the country's moving in the wrong direction. No campaign manager is GonNa fix that. Because the campaign manager is not managing those three issues. The president of the United States is who happens to be a candidate for reelection in in looking at that reelection. The people are assessing okay. Are we better off today than we were not four years ago, but for months ago are we better off going into the future with trump as president and the answer right now seems to be no. John Holliman. I'm going to tell you something you already know. Pick up any decent book on FDR and read the history of his presidency from the formation of the march of dimes. For children, affected by polio, leading the country out of the depression, leading the country through a titanic struggle. Against Forces in Europe and the Pacific, a lot of it was bad news, but it was leadership something he felt in his own bones. There was an opportunity here for the president to make a guy like FAO his own lieutenant for the president to level with the country. Show leadership even in the face a pandemic. Actually just teed up a question about Donald Trump talked about Dr like. Man It's A. Amazing amazing thing to do on national television I. Yes, look. It is the reality that. Presidencies encounter crises. Some of them are larger. Some of them are smaller. All crises are opportunities for president. They're they're moments where it's not just the that they're. They're test of their mettle clearly, but if they rise to the occasion, and they lead the country, the country wants to lead the country never wants to be led more that it wants to lead in the moment of crisis, and they look to the president, and they're willing to forgive a lot. LOT OF SINS and they're willing to make allowances for a lot of past errors. Forget all about them. If the president is there for them to lead them when they need the president to be there, the problem with trump is that you know. We knew he wasn't FDR long before. This pandemic hit we've been sitting around for three and a half years and I'm sure you and I have been on the on the television program said in the. Years two, thousand, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen when you saw trump's quote. Style when you saw the chaos around him when you saw him squandering the credibility of the office when you saw Hawaiian profusely indiscriminately. Over and over to relentlessly shamelessly, you said you know he's squandering. This credibility is going to need it later. We see this chaos. We see the ways behaving my God. He's been lucky for three years. He hasn't been hit with a major foreign policy crisis or a major domestic crisis. What is going to happen when that moment comes everything that's happened this winter and spring and into this. This summer has been what was provoked predictable and predicted. It just happens that the scale the crisis is incredibly large. It's not just your your cut a run of the mill crisis. It's a once in a century crisis and trump's uniquely bad management skills. His uniquely absent leadership skills have been particularly ill-suited to a moment when truly great leadership was required, given the scale of the challenge. Let's take a quick break here. Luckily for us. Both guys are at home have nowhere to go and have agreed to stay with us. Coming up has the Biden campaign identified. It's reached state perhaps more of a dream state for them. We will talk about that with these two gentlemen when we come back. Introducing Peacock, the new free streaming services NBC Universal. It's hit movies. Current shows live sports trending bits timeless. And, that's why you can't not watch peacock Wasser free upgrade for more stream now at peacock tv.com law and order svu streaming now wait. To. Do the other thing not because they are easy, but because they. I'm Chuck Rosenberg on my podcast? Youth I speak with those who sacrificed for the common good who do things because they are foreign this week warmer National Security Council official Fiona Hill. We can ourselves have a serious rational discussion about where we want the relationship with Russia to go, but we have to stop using Russia as part of our domestic politics. Join me for season, three of the oath and MSNBC podcast search for the oath wherever you're listening right now and please subscribe new episodes every Wednesday. Thinking all of you today across Texas. Though the rising case, numbers is causing fair and apprehension. People are frightened. They're especially worried about their parents. Grandparents loved ones who are most at risk. This fire is tough, but Texas is tougher. Interesting right there former VP Joe Biden now with his first TV. AD in Texas today. A possible sign has campaign season. In the reliably red state back with us for round two John Holloman and Michael. Steele so Michael If I poured you. Let's say not one but two of your preferred cocktails, and noting your Republican Party status asked you to really loosen up and be honest in your dreams is Texas really on the Board for the Democrats? Is that on the Whiteboard of possibles in somebody's campaign headquarters? It has been a growing opportunity for the Democrats going back twenty years I. What I was State Chairman of Maryland in two thousand and working with US state parties around the country. At that time. I remember being in. In Dallas in Houston. And just observing what then were early signs of the Democrats, beginning lay seeds for play in Texas it is now fermented ground whatever you WANNA call it, but it is, it is. It is realizable now whether it happens in twenty. Twenty I. think remains to be seen, but the fact that Biden is down. Beginning to make an inroad there to. Some markers is significant. When you look at the voting trends in Texas. You look at the demographic Trenton Texas and you look at the fact that Texas. Republican Democrat independent alike are getting used to voting for Democrats statewide and local elections. The opportunity is there. I'm on the record. As saying by twenty, twenty four Texas will be like Virginia. It will be a battleground state between the two parties and the Republicans will be at a significant disadvantage if they don't figure out how to turn that horse around right now. Horses moving away from them. And Biden sees that his campaign is making I. Think a smart strategic move whether or not to win. That remains to be seen, but to make the Republicans play in Texas. This is GonNa be fun? Hey I got I got one for you. Here is Jason Johnson earlier today on this network. We will discuss when he's done. I have long believed that Donald Trump will not leave office, and we have to remember the fear that I has is not just that he won't leave, but remember because so many of these balancers coming in by mail. We're not GONNA have a new president on election night. It's going to take weeks. You'RE GONNA have malicious showing up at vote-counting locations, threatening people, so we are in for a very very difficult couple of months, and we may be comfortable at the polling now where we recognize, we have a president who is a pro dictator and he will do anything in his power to stay out regardless of what the actual numbers say. Now John People. Pay Good money. To hear, Bill Maher say that as he has for by my count over a year Michael Moore is also an adherent to this view. What say you? Well, I think Brian Without without delving into hyperbole, and I'm not accusing Jason of being hyperbolic, but without dubbing personally I think a couple of things are clear one. Is that on election night? There are two potential outcomes that I think are possible. What is Donald? Trump wins the election which is increasingly unlikely outcome. Judging by the standing up down of drug Joe. Biden is in the polls right now. The other is Donald, trump does not get refuses to concede and wants to fight in some number of states I think there's zero chance that on election night. DONALD TRUMP CALLS JOE. Biden says you know we both fought the best race that we could, and the better man one and I'm calling you to concede I. Don't think that's GonNa Happen. So I think the part of Jason's scenario that's hundred percent right is that if Joe Biden is one whether that's five electoral votes or fifty or more, every state that is a battleground state, every state that were Biden's. Biden's not one by double digits Donald Trump is going to claim that the result was rigged. He's GonNa have flotillas of election lawyers flying to those states to contest results. If there's recounts to be had, they will be forced. If there's lawsuits to be filed, they will be filed and then I think the question in that overtime period is. How far does it go and I you know I think? I think it's the reality that the United States military recognizes the will recognize the winner of this election. Donald Trump will not be allowed to. Stay on Longer Than Than January twentieth twenty twenty one. He's lost the election in everyone through all of this litigation, people have come to the conclusion that in fact Joe Biden is the winner, but I saw a New Yorker. I saw one of our district. Dexter filkins piece a couple months ago. That raised the most plausible scenario of this kind that I'd seen. which is the notion that trump could call on a friendly Republican governor? Governor to deploy National Guard from Republican State and try to barricade himself from the White House on that basis, and it struck me as the first time I'd seen someone lay out a scenario by which you could imagine. The worst case of an actual armed conflict of trump barricaded inside the White House in Armand, people out in front of trying to ward off. What is what would would then be the inevitable conclusion of his presidency? What a time! What thought are two friends? Michael Steele and John Heilmann have given us a lot to think about tonight just as I must add John. Holloman has rethought the monochromatic kitchen. Congrats to you on that front coming up for us, thanks gentlemen. Yes, these are dark and surreal and socially distant times, but our next guest reminds us were all in it together, and we're going to ask him to explain why even that is a good thing. The government federal government rose to the challenge, and this is a great success story. Has the states reopening now? Is. May will be a transition month I. Think you'll see by June. A lot of the country should be back to normal. And the hope is that by July the country's really rock and again. That's jared. Here's our reality in mid July. The US has over three and a half. MILLION CONFIRMED CORONA virus cases. Death toll is now surpassed, one, hundred, thirty, eight thousand. We are four percent of the world's population. We fully one quarter of the corona virus on the planet, one new forecast, predicting something close to a quarter of a million deaths by election day estimates. Estimates of the number of Americans out of work begin at around fifty million millions more in financial jeopardy and distress every day. Millions of children have been deprived of school any kind of socialization. It's a lot a recent kaiser. Foundation survey found more than a third of those questioned thirty six percent report symptoms of anxiety or depression that is tripled in a year's time. Our next guest has faced his own challenges in life and has been collecting advice on coping with challenges. We welcome to the broadcast the author Bruce, feiler among his other works that you may know or own already that council of Dads and walking the Bible. His timely new book is called. Life is in the transitions mastering change at any age, Bruce. It's great to have you. We will try to avoid the. Ivanka public service announcement campaign of find something new, find something different and talk about this book which Predates Corona Virus, but the secret to life is timing asking for a friend. Tell us why it's your view. It's a good thing that at least we're all going through this together. Where we are in Brian as as you said, you know, we are in a life of change that has aftershocks for years. I came up with this term. Because as you mentioned I went through a life quick, I had cancer. AMAS went bankrupt. My father tried to take his own life, and there wasn't really a book that gave answers of how to deal with this time, so I went on this journey crisscrossed the country I collected hundreds of life stories of Americans in all fifty states I mean these are people who lost jobs and got a bad marriages, military veterans who lost limbs and politician to lost. Lost Jobs. And what I discovered you know elections and what I discovered is that the linear life? The expectation that we're going to have one job one home at one spirituality relationship our whole lives. That's really gone. It's been replaced by what I call the non linear life, and that involves many more changes, and most of these we get through, but every now and then we go through one of these massive life quakes in what's unique about this time I'm thinking of your love of history here is this is the first time in a century, but the entire planet has gone through quake at the same time. Paraphrasing Dorothy, the wizard I'm wondering if there's anything in your bag for this problem, and that is children I read yesterday, and of course it makes sense a kindergartner depending on how this. How long this goes could lose twenty to twenty five percent of their lives possible socialization. No it at all. By the time we're out of this thing, think of children from poor homes and families. They already suffer such great education disparities. Now everybody is down and out and idol. What do you have for that? So I think what I've learned. Brian is the let's be honest. You know people are going to. Lie In bed tonight PRISCILA. The breakfast table tomorrow and they're going to be scared, you know. Do I have a job if I have a job? Is it the right job to quit my job to care for? My children are aging parents. People are scared and their stock in the good news is is that the transition is how we get unstuck? Because here's the reality throughout his role in global light quake together, but. But it's going to affect each of us differently. We all have to go through our own life group, which is why what I did when I have these interviews, as I spent all this time coding NAM and trying to understand, and so my book unveils this new model for how to navigate life transitions, and the good news is if we deploy the skills and go into it. We actually can get through these parents. Having watched, you talk a lot. I know you've come to know your country very well during this process for you Can you believe that we now have a society where the wearing of a mask or not is often a marker of your political party and preferred candidate for president in a pandemic? I mean I'm speaking to you. From my home in Brooklyn I, come from generations in the state of Georgia and it deeply sad that in fact, the the issue of how to get through this has become polarized, but at this. Hey, Brian, when I wins this process. What I thought was it would be one solution for political crisis one for a health. Health crisis one for a work crisis and it turns out. It really is the same tool kit for all of these crises that was actually something I was wrong and to say it did give me hope so much kind of message for all of this is is that? I went to talk to people who were in extremely dark times I was in. In a dark time and what I found is that transitions work it. Ninety percent of the people that I spoke to said they got through their difficult time. So whatever it is that you're worried about. I have to say I was the hair I. Know a lot of people when I talked to these people I got the sense that there are things. Things, we can do. We can get through this together and so my invitations. If you come on this journey all across America with me and you meet these people in this book. You'RE GONNA. Find things that whatever you're worried about. We can get through this together. We're GONNA. Make it go a little bit easier and your transition. Go a lot more effectively. Perfectly put and because the news we cover every night is so grim. We wanted to have this man on to talk about this book in hopes that it might help some of the folks watching knowing what they're dealing with. It is called. Life is in the transitions mastering change at any age. Our guest has been the author Bruce Feiler Bruce. Thank you very much for spending a few minutes with us here tonight. It may be the least glamorous way to track corona virus, but it's proving to be very effective will explain what's in those test tubes when we come back. The hour is late, but our viewers are sturdy with strong enough stomachs to handle this next topic, the researchers who are employing a very unconventional way to track these virus cases on a massive scale by looking at wastewater, the stuff that comes out of humans are london-based NBC News Correspondent Villa. Marks has our report from England tonight. Under. This manhole cover could be the key to one of the world's greatest current challenges stopping the spread of covid nineteen? White is a scientist tossed with something sewage from this wastewater pipe in the north of England. She's helping hunt down cove it by tracking quite literally. What's been left behind all the bacteria and viruses naturally occurring in our human bodies, come down, and would totally used to dealing with that to look for the fragments of a of the covid nineteen virus. Look. Those fragments to determine the health of the population. Jobs, not glamorous, but this unusual detective work at the front in the fight against Corona virus. She works for one of the UK's largest water. Utility companies has been samples like this since mid-march. Bottles end up in one of several freezes at a nearby university where scientists sift through them. The process is part of a nationwide effort to collect human waste converted to the Bharat. We samples and check inside for the presence of covid nineteen. We want to get a better understanding of how the levels you find into each relate to what's in local populations David Graham decades scarring global waste systems for chemicals, bacteria, and now this deadly virus. His research team is working with colleagues worldwide on alternative to today's expanding but expensive testing techniques. Based on finding one individual isn't necessarily enough information for you to shut down the city, but if you find an elevated level of virus particles in sewage, coming from that city, you know then that said he needs to be dealt with these samples contain viral material whether you'll sit or eysenck matic untested is off the leaving home. They can provide an early warning system. You can actually put your pulse on. What's happening in the community before you see disease? And that's that's. Thirty grail Holy Grail, if you can make the analytical method. Accurate. And while scientists definable precise correlation between levels of genetic material and the viruses presence in a population, the potential cost savings and speed appealing to governments around the world with similar studies and surveillance from Spain's Valencia. To Delaware's Newcastle County where they now check wastewater every week. It gives us some immediate feedback on policy decisions that we make about Maya is the Newcastle County executive. What we're really trying to do a sample a community get a good representation of is the viral load in our community getting worse, or is it getting better and wastewater for our purposes seems to do that better than anything else. There's around fifteen thousand treatment plants across the United States. If you tested around five hundred fifty of those, you'd cover half US population. The bill for that testing would be a fraction of what it is right now. These programs O.`Neil rough roadmap sewage could soon prove to be an accurate predictive coronavirus a second wave before it hits. Villa Mocks News Newcastle England. Tried to warn you break for us. We'll be back with some wartime Republicans right after this. Last thing before we go tonight it is by now axiomatic, the best easily the toughest and most creative anti-trump ads of this election cycle are being made by Republicans, and it's not close. They form. Groups called the Lincoln Project Republicans for the rule of law. Republican voters against trump. They're all pros, men and women who have played politics at the NFL level spent their lives beating Democratic candidates, and now they're angry because their party has. Has Been Stolen from them. It wants meant something to them to be a Republican quaint old notions about things like standing up to Russia debt and deficits. Good Governance. Then there's something else that polite people don't always mention on this and other networks Democrats often aren't killers culturally they tend to be former student council presidents. They are ardent recyclers who prefer their shoes and cars on the sensible side and to them Kale is A. And Not Stock car driver as Republican in Exile Rick. Wilson puts it. Democrats always bring a soup ladle to a knife, fight but about those Republican ads here is the latest one from Republican voters against trump, and we're looking at you, Mike Pence. President took unprecedented steps decisive action because of the precedent action that president trump to it is among the reasons why the threat. To Americans of Corona virus remains low and I have to tell you that standing here today. I couldn't be more proud. To stand alongside this president. We believe we are slowing the spread. We slowed the spread. We flatten the curve. We've saved lives siding why Memorial Day weekend. We will largely have this corona virus epidemic behind. Republican voters against trump to take off the air tonight. That is our Wednesday effort. Thank you so very much for being here with us on behalf of all of our colleagues, goodnight from our temporary field headquarters. Hey everybody! It's Brian Williams and thank you for listening I. Do want to invite you to talk with us here at MSNBC. We'd like to know more about you and the topics you might be interested in hearing about as we look to launch future podcasts so text the word podcast, two, six, six, eight, six six. We will text you back a link to a short survey again. Text the word podcast to the number six, six, eight, six, six, as we're supposed to say, standard text messaging rates apply. This is a way for you to tell us what you'd like to hear. More of your input matters greatly. We're looking forward to hearing from you.

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October 15, 2018

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October 15, 2018

"Good Monday morning. I'm Jay Sherman and welcome to your political playbook audio briefing. Stay tuned after the show for a message from AARP. Some breaking Royal news is mourning the duchess of Sussex formerly known as Meghan Markle is pregnant on sixty minutes. Last night President Trump was asked if Ladimir Putin poisons people and assassinates enemies Trump said probably, but I rely on them. It's not in our country. Trump seems to dismiss things that he believes are not alterable instead of changing US behavior, try to nudge nation in the other direction. He put I on this Republicans increasingly believed they'll lose the house, but both parties tell us, they believe the house will not be decided until weeks after election day due to recounts in key states the Washington Post Michael shear and Bob cost report that Republicans running for Senate and governorships in mid west. Trump's dates are falling flat Senator. Elizabeth Warren has taken a DNA test and release it to the Boston Globe. It says that there is quote strong evidence that she is native American, a smart Washington Post story this morning by Phil Rucker, Carolina. And Gearan. Jared Kushner is on the hot seat for his alliance with Mohammed bin Salman after alleged Saudi involvement in the disappearance of journalists, Jamal kashogi. By the way, Kushner was spotted at Chucky cheese yesterday, celebrating his son's birthday, Nancy Pelosi is on the cover of New York magazine. This week. The president is visiting hurricane stricken, Florida today, subscribe to playbook and politico dot com slash playbook. Today's episode is sponsored by AARP the latest issue of politico magazine series. The deciders takes a look at voters over fifty in Pennsylvania for being crushed by the cost of healthcare. It doesn't matter if they are Republican or democrat, they don't see hope for themselves or for future generations and our voting for help you the latest, politico AARP poll results and read the latest issue of the deciders at politico dot com. Slash the deciders.

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Philip Rucker and Carol Leonnig on Trump

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Philip Rucker and Carol Leonnig on Trump

"Love CBC podcasts. Help us make them. Better take our. CBC podcast Listener Survey now at CBC DOT CA slash. Josh podcasts. The quick survey will help us improve your favorite CBC PODCASTS CBC DOT CA slash podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hi Rosemary Barton. This is is a podcast from the February tenth edition of the current. We've been going through this now. For over three years it it was evil. It was corrupted was dirty cups It was leakers and liars and this should never ever happen to another president ever. I don't know that other presidents would have been able to take it. Some people said no they wouldn't have a milestone moment. Donald Trump's the presidency last Thursday after the Republican controlled Senate voted to acquit him on two articles of impeachment. The three years leading up to that moment have been. It's safe to say unlike any other three years in. US presidential history and my next guest having just covered those years closely as reporters. They have won Pulitzer Prizes for their work Phil Rucker and Carol Lining of the Washington Post. Now have a new book out about that time. It's called a very stable genius. DONALD DONALD J trump's testing of America. And they're with me now. Hello Hi Hello Rosemary. Cara let me start with you. What did you think of president? Trump's trump's take their on the last three years of his presidency to me it felt as though The reporting that we did for our book very stable genius foreshadowed. This moment The trajectory of the president that we the presidency that we found in our work was one edging ever further away from any guardrails those guardrails Israel's are gone advisers who tried to guide this novice president and increasingly towards a president emboldened unchained and Believing believing that the only people he needs around him or those that say yes and Phil Rucker when those people were there initially those guardrails and there there were a number of them credible. Smart people trying to help him if they had remained in place. Would we be dealing with a different presidency. Or was this sort of the inevitable outcome for Donald trump from you know it probably was the inevitable outcome for Donald Trump. The people we call guardrails While effective in trying to restrain restrain him in some cases they were not able to really put a leash on Donald trump or or shackle him in any regard in fact one of the reasons that they either resigned or or got fired or or were pushed out. It's because they were not able to to have enough influence with him and he wanted to do what he wanted to do And we've seen over the last three years in evolution where he's become much more calm confident in his power. He's the presidency of one and the people around him are there to enable him Carolina. Did the president speak to you at all on the record for this book or even off the record you know. The president promised Phil that he wanted to participate in our book and do an interview with us in he told Phil. Will you know you're a serious reporter. I need a serious book done. I WanNa have you guys come in. I wanted to. I really want to do it. But as the Media War four escalated meaning his incredible tensions with the media generally and with the Washington Post's specifically He basically he declined through a series of AIDS and his his entire White House. Operation Essentially Declined to even fact check elements of the book so we were very sad about it because we would have loved to hear his perspective and his answers sure. Why did the people the many people that that spoke to both of you? Why did they talk back to you? I mean it it. There's there's some incidents where it's only a handful of people in a room. It would be impossible for the president at least to figure out who may have been. That was talking to you. So so why do you think these people wanted to talk to you in the first place Phil well. We don't identify our sources. Most of the people who shared these accounts did so on on the condition of anonymity because they feared retribution from the president or because they felt. Honor bound. DUTY-BOUND Not to criticize him while he's still in office but we found that most of them were willing to talk to us and share their account share their truth for the benefit of history. You know they saw this as a serious historical project at a book. Look that would capture the full scope of this presidency and of this man. Is this character. This president. Donald Trump and They wanted to contribute their thoughts. Stay they wanted to shape that history and we're so fortunate that so many of them did. We talked to more than two hundred. A senior administration officials and advisers to the President and other confidants offs of his and Carolinian. I mean both done a lot of a lot of extensive reporting and both US sources you know as as do i. Did it surprise you. Though that so many people did did want to speak to. You even anonymously it absolutely did Rosemary. I remember feeling as though we were going to be hitting a mountain of resistance in the form of people who generally run from reporters their DNA. If they're in the intelligence national security worlds They're public servants. They they're not Interested in talking to reporters because that's not part of their milieu. They feel a duty to country and duty actually many times to keep a private those confidences they learn as a result of their service to the president but we found the floodgates Starting into to break an open for us in understanding this historic presidency when the president Crossed some red lines for those folks when when they felt that he was threatening Parts of our our democracy that are supposed to be a political objective fact-based based when he started threatening to take away security clearances of intelligence officials who are criticizing him former CIA Director John Brennan for example. When that happened a lot of people started to say you know what I think I need to tell Caroline Phil what really happened in the room? So obviously we. We've had sort of we're come. We're doing this on the heels of a sort of strange week with both the impeachment process Now over the state of the Union speech And these sort of strange moments ongoing moments between the President and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who has become a real embodiment of of president president. Trump's anger and frustration Phil Rucker how would you describe that relationship and in light of that that now me move that Pelosi did of tearing up the speech behind his back. What does that tell us about the state of things there well? It's an incredibly acrimonious relationship. More so now than at any point point in in three year three years that president trump has been in office. And it's in part because they're both such strong Political tacticians and performers and trump fears Pelosi to a certain degree according to our reporting. There's a pretty vivid scene in in a very stable genius in our book early on. It's a few days after the inauguration and the president's having a reception at the White House for congressional leaders and he's boasting about having Three to five million illegal votes cast in California. He believes he would have won the popular. Vote were it not for that voter fraud. He of course was not true. There's no record of that sort of voter fraud and Nancy. Pelosi stood up to confront him on Nadan and tell him it's not true and when she did so Steve Bannon that chief strategist at the White House whispered to some other administration officials. She's going to get us. She's a total assassin. And you know that just I think a pit him is. It's the kind of role. Pelosi has played as a foil to trump and as the the one leader in in Congress who's trying to hold him accountable for in her view His misconduct but she has also a expressed concerns about how people you know maybe the in out to get her th there's actual retribution against her and other Democrats is is she right to be concerned or is that just sort of political rhetoric on her part. While it's it's partly political rhetoric. I I mean I don't think she has any any risk of losing reelection in San Francisco. A very liberal district one of the most liberal in the country but certainly trump is is attacking her is demeaning her. He said the every day at the national prayer breakfast that he didn't think That Pelosi actually prayed Policy is a devout Catholic and has been her whole life and in fact. She says repeatedly that she hopes are that. She praised for trump frequently. And I think that really gets to the president he was she. I was sitting right there. When he said that he was Carolina? What was there was many detailed episodes in here that that were shocking and surprising What was the most surprising for you? You know even though we've talked about it a bit in the past I still feel like the most shocking thing was the president not being aware of the Basic American story in the form of the battle In Pearl Harbor the attack at Pearl Harbor that propelled the United States into World War. Two this is something most middle schoolers know about and learn about a day that will live in infamy but when the president was traveling for his first trip to Asia in two thousand seventeen on his way his aides decided that he and his wife should take stop in Hawaii. It's such a long trip to Asia and in that stopped to Hawaii they were going to tour the USS Arizona memorial to those people killed At the base and the president gets aboard this little flotilla. That's GONNA head out to the memorial with his wife and with his chief of Staff John Kelly and according to our sources he turns to John Kelly and says John. What's this what's this is all about? This what are we what are we looking at. Kelly was absolutely floored and had to explain to the president. You know this battle this epoch moment again again a day that will live in infamy but if it if that were true in his education this lesson did not appear Donald Trump. And why do you what do you think it is. Caroline that he can be remained that ignorant about some vital parts of American history and even world history and still has people loyal to him. I mean certainly people have left but there are still people that believe in him and his presidency. Remember a lot of the people who rallied to to Donald Trump side despite many any of his policies not actually benefiting them despite the fact that he gets things wrong even despite all of these things his supporters are like. Yeah so what. He's our fighter. He's is our champion. There are some things we don't know either but we've been dismissed and disdained by the political establishment of the Republican and the Democratic Party to a certain extent and this man speaks for us he is punching all for us and fill record. Is that sort of why some of the people that were critics of president trump. Some people like Lindsey Graham Senator Marco Rubio are now defenders of him and does it mean that there is really no one around him Maybe Mitt Romney's one and now that no one around him who will say no or you're not right or why are you saying that. Yeah well I think Mitt Romney's not going to be spending a lot of time around president. Apparently they clearly don't want to be in the same with each other But take take get to your your question here and it's an important one you know. Trump's popularity with the Republican base his teflon quality and. That's the reason why Lindsey Graham is is so on board to the point that he's derided by critics as a complete sycophant and it's why Mitch McConnell the Senate Majority Leader who You know has been in the Senate for years and years and years and has a deep understanding of the power of the legislative branch in our country and what the founding fathers set up that's why he has deferred so often To what trump wants and has tried to protect trump and it's because of trump's power over the republican electorate well in a recent Gallup poll puts his his overall job approval at forty nine percent. So it's not just Republicans. Do you do Our last question of both of you do after this week where he gets off the impeachment. He sees those kinds of approval. Ratings Does he is this. The kind trying to president who is now emboldened. And what would you think that might mean going into the election. We absolutely As I say predicted predicted a certain trajectory of president increasingly emboldened. But keep in mind again. He has Essentially viewed several liberal elements of our government but different branches of our government as tools to his own end tools. That should be serving him rather than providing check on him. He looked at several different agencies of our government as his own apparatchik which is not the case. Our Justice Department is an independent Agency with blind blind with blindfold on to serve justice. That's not how Donald Trump sees it. I would imagine we're going to see other ways in which he wants to enlist the parts of our government limit to his benefit to burnish his self image which is his North Star. What would that be your concern to Phil Rucker? That this would just sort of carry on even even even more particularly if he gets the sense that he's going to win. I think so and I can tell you. There's a lot of concern Among top Democrats that we've been talking to this week That not only well positioned at this point to win reelection. But that if he does win re-election you know what will that look like how much of a of a mandate will he feel. He has from the American people to pursue what he wants done. with even greater force than he is today. The title of the book It IT'S A it's a statement that The president has made of himself very stateful genius. So Phil Rucker. It is not it is not to him in any way derogatory. Then if if he's looked at the bunker seeing the cover he you wouldn't take that as as anything insulting or pejorative you know. I don't know I don't know what he thinks if the book other than a couple of comments he's made on twitter about us as as the authors But you're right that the title of his own words it's what he's called himself A very stable genius he actually. I used that phrase in January of twenty eighteen a year into his presidency when there was a national discussion underway about his mental health and and and psychological fitness for the office and he has used that phrase At least four times since then which we documented in a book and you know we chose it as the title because this book is not only a history but it's a character study daddy and sort of hold it up as a mirror to him and stress test it based on our interviews with more than two hundred administration officials and other advisers. The thing that's sort of occurs is to you as as you're looking at the book and listening to many interviews with both of you is real concern for potentially irreparable damage to some of America's institutions solutions and I wonder whether that is whether you are hopeful in any way that that those things can live beyond donald trump or whether do you think that that is the case that things have been harmed and the bar has been so lowered that you might not get that back Carol. Maybe I what sort of put the hair on the back of my neck up when and one of our sources was speaking to me and to fill it was person deep in the I hate using the word deep because people will say deep state eight deep in the government and And absolutely a Patriot in every way a person put themselves in harm's way took amazing risks. kept opt a lot of secrets and confidences. We can all sleep well endear at night and that person said I fear the bar has been lowered by this president and I worry about what's going to happen with the next president. Will that next president feel. It's okay to attack. I'm paraphrasing here. To attack. People who are are public servants. Who Don't look at party? Who simply wanted to deliver facts? That help president make good decisions. Will we start. Having to tailor our facts to the worldview and the personal wishes of president and that is a huge fear for that community. That facts should drive decision decision. Making you know I'm an optimist better institutions to and and number of them have held including the free press. I no doubt that that will continue no matter how long trump trump is president. Five years He'd love to be nine years could go on longer to Nazi jokes about a third term who knows But anyhow well listen Congratulations on the book to both of you. It's extraordinary bit of reporting and I thank you both for your time. Thank you thank you Phil. Rucker is White House. Bureau chief at the Washington Post lending is is a investigative reporter. She's also at the Washington Post and their new book. New York Times bestseller is called a very stable genius. Hi Guys it's meet tide pool and I'm back and I have way more questions things like. What are animals saying to other why space so darn it? What's the science behind bullying this season? I'm willing to go where no seventh grader has ever gone before to find you the answers Rest your eyes and prepare your ears for all new episodes of tie asks why. Why now about last week's national prayer breakfast where? The president raised eyebrows with his remarks. Here's just a bit of what he had there. I don't like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know. Oh is wrong nor do I like people who say I pray for you when they know that. That's not so for a better idea of what the prayer breakfast is. I'm joined by Jeff Charlotte. He teaches journalism at Dartmouth College. And he's also the executive producer producer of a Netflix documentary. Called the family based on that book. Just Charlotte Hello. Hi Good to be with you. Good to good to have you here this morning. So what did you think when you heard president. Trump's comments at the breakfast you know there's been a lot of talk about trump's desecrating. This bipartisan peaceful place in Washington. I I I. I'm not a fan of trump but I thought that speech at the National Prayer Breakfast was was right on right in tune with the spirit of event which is in fact about out power politics. He was using the prayer breakfast the way it was invented to be used as a way of consolidating power. It's funny because you think prayer breakfast and you think everyone's it's going to get along and there's no politics at all so tell me a little bit about the organization behind breakfast and why Donald Trump might understand it better than the rest of us Is the oldest and most influential Christian conservative organization Washington. It's called the fellowship internally. They call themselves the family. They created the nine hundred the national national prayer breakfast back in nineteen fifty-three with the specific goal which they've never left of consecrating the nation to Jesus and their idea and they were open about this prayer or something. No one can speak against And if they could get that thing rolling and they could get that political presence there it becomes a form of dealmaking they once is considered registering as a lobby but decided not to because they thought they could have more influence off the books which is true which is why we have lobbying laws that a what kind of flout. And what's your relationship with the the so called family well I'm we made a Netflix documentary. Dan Based on a book of mine. Call the family That I wrote years ago. I'm as a reporter. I'm interested in the varieties of religious experience and I ended up sort of stumbling into this movement. Right and Spending time with them for a while. They believe that. If you're there it's because God wanted you to be there So I I suppose they would say God sent me to tell their story. Although they weren't too happy about it they they that is the more invisible you can make your organization the more influence you can have an and they really do. They have a number Senator Chuck Grassley. I mean a lot of American right wing senators who listeners. Who might not know but a real roster of power including Mike Pence Soooo and my two thousand ten twenty sixteen? You know We might want to look at a little known. Indiana congressman named Mike Pence and. I think he was really the deal. Deal for Donald Trump with that faction of the Christian Right They they really didn't like your documentary. This is what they had to say about it that it quote attempts to portray people people of faith in a bad light. It does seem as though they're using faith as a shield of some kind is that is that fair to say. Yeah absolutely given that all the critics we interviewed The critics of his organization and that we interviewed for the documentary where people of faith when they say people faith they mean like Donald Trump Donald trump at the national. Oh prep is talked about all that. He's doing for religious freedom and then he listed only things he's doing for Evangelical That's his idea of really just freedom. it it. It doesn't extend to the wrong religions. So how critical is this breakfast. I mean as I as I said there in the interview with Phil Record and Carolinian Donald Trump was. Is there. Nancy Pelosi was there to. Do you have to attend this breakfast. You SORTA DO I mean and and that was sort of the genius marketing genius of this thing who what politicians going to say very against prayer is it doesn't look good Although I I noted that Amy Kobe Char- who used to be actually sort of lent her name to the letter had had a of the event Due to some reporting no longer does that I mean there was a big scandal that Russians were using the national prayer breakfast through the Russian spy. Maria boot Anna which is something show in the documentary and You know the longtime organizers of the National Prayer Breakfast Doug Burly likes to joke about collusion between trump Russian and Jesus which to his mind is the way. The prayer breakfast is supposed to work. It's supposed to be bringing these strongmen figures fellowship sort of looks for strong strongman leaders. They're not interested in democracy. So if you didn't show up for the breakfast and you were a presidential contender or the president or a house leader. What would it'd be the opinion? Then of what would be the consequence of that. I mean it's you know it's the way politics works through influence. There's no there's no sort of Kabosh they comes down on you. There's no lightning bolt. I don't think I think I think there's something going on With the way trump is using it sort of more garishly really then Others have used in the past. But what you really WANNA look at. Actually it's not the main of the breakfast itself. It's the center of sort of a week long lobbying festival where air defense contractors are hosting events. There's events on the oil industry in God and how they can work together. And when you look at the delegations of other nations that are being sent there it's typically led by a minister of defense someone who's going to be doing business and and those people will be quite transparent about why this is the best sort of off the books access to Washington power you can get and the fellowship marketed. As such to them. I must say it's one of those instances that that we're Canada and the US really differ. We we don't religion is not present like that in our political system at least not in any real avert way and I wonder if the way donald trump displays it being maybe more transparent about it than others isn't sort of a credit to him that he uses it for the political reason. It's there for yeah you know. It's it's this odd odd thing you know. The the the incredible candor of a dishonest man is is He is so utterly self interested in winning lines up for an event that is as cynical as a national prayer breakfast and it really is an exploitation of faith. It's an abusive faith It's To say so as is not anti faith at all I mean here's an organization that when they talk about in their doctrine. How do you understand Jesus and this is going to sound crazy but the day AAC say well look at strongman leaders? Say Hitler Lenin Stalin Mao. Well they're not fascists. They're not communist admires authoritarian strength. What they call the Wolf King? That's what they say. Jesus is seeking a wolf king among men and so when you get someone like Donald Trump who really resonates with that kind of idea. Yeah the strongman the allergy You have a marriage of like minds all right got to leave it there. Jeff Charlotte thank you appreciate it Jeff. 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