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A highlight from Part 2: Zach Wilsons Alive, Belichicks in Trouble, Buffalos Cruising, and Week 5 Lines With Cousin Sal
"All right. So we're taping part one here. It is a little past 4 o 'clock Pacific time. Just watch the Pats completely shit the bed. We're not going to talk about that. That'll be part two. Part one. Ryan Russilla was here. We're talking Drew Holiday. The big trade. How is the NBA different for you right now, and are we done? Do we finally have the 30 rosters? Is this what we're looking at? Do we know who's going to be on everybody's team, or are we somehow not done? I never think we're done anymore in the NBA, and I know you're being a gracious host here, but you and I talked for five minutes today. I think you have the headline take on this, okay? I think you have the headline take on what the top of the league looks like. Are you ready to share it this early? I think Boston has the best top six. I did not feel that way 24 hours ago. I did not feel like there was a clear best. I trust this team in crunch time, and if Porzingis stays healthy, which is a huge if, I think they have the best six, and they can fill around, and they have the most ways that they can play whoever in the series. So from that vantage point, you had to do the trade. And they gave up a center who has been hurt every single year, and I don't fully trust that he's ever going to be out there when it matters. Brogdon, who was hurt, who was mad at the team, and two picks. And you get Drew Holliday, who was a 2021 Finals hero, who's one of the best defensive guards in the league, who's still really good, and just raises their ceiling. Now you can go white Holliday, Tatum Brown, and a center at crunch time, and you're good. You can switch on almost everything, especially if you get anything from Horford. So were you similarly enthused? Yeah, I love Drew. There's some stuff with his shooting in the playoffs where it's been pretty bad, or you're like, is that just because you can't make shots at the playoffs, or is it just what happened statistically? I mean, it does happen. I mean, if I'm getting the negative parts out of the way, like, yeah, sure, he's a little bit older. The big situation is a huge question mark. I can't believe what they got from Horford last year. So I don't know if you can just pencil that in, because he was way beyond expectations, at least for me, or for what I had for him. But when you can add Drew for those pieces, and I'm with you, when Rob Williams is right, it's really, really nice. But you can even tell when he's out there, you're like, is something wrong with him again? The number of times that I've watched Rob Williams in Celtics games, I'm like, I know he's out there, but wait, something. And every time, I thought Marcus Smart was trying to end his career with some of those Valley U passes, depending on how he lands, like, wait, is this going to be the last one we ever see from him? So to me, it makes a lot of sense. By the way, on that Rob point, my dad texted me after the trade, he's like, oh, I hate giving up Rob. I'm like, you complained about Rob more than anybody I know in my life. You would text me from the games going, oh, Rob's just off in the, Rob just walked in the tunnel again. I don't know what happened. I like just Brian Barrett had a tweet, 32 games, 29 games, 52 games, 61 games, 35 games. Those are Rob Williams' last five years. It just wasn't reliable enough for a team that's trying to win a title. I interrupted you. No, you didn't, because it's a it's a really good point, because what's going to happen? I mean, you know, it's just there's there's definitely like if Prozingis is hurt, it feels like the whole thing is screwed up and there's a really good chance that that could happen. But if you're talking about like the allocation of minutes and the talent that's getting those minutes, well, the talent that's getting those minutes just went up with Drew Holiday. And that's, I think, the simplest way to look at it. So they they turn Marcus Smart and Grant Williams and Brogdon and Rob Williams into Drew Holiday and Prozingis, more Derek White minutes, more Peyton Pritchard minutes. And then there's a little bit of an X factor with who's going to be like that ninth man, tenth man, kind of big four slash five person, maybe, or somebody you trade like that. I feel like that's the easiest position to pick up in January and February. The big thing for me is I think White was ready for a bigger role. I think White and Holiday together is magnificent as a as a backcourt. And I read some stuff today. They think White's going to come off the bench. I don't know if I see that. I think I would come out of the gates with White and Holiday and Tatum and Brown in the center and maybe bring to your Horford point, like maybe bring Horford off the bench and try to really try to rest his minutes during the season and be careful with him and make him a bench player. And then the playoffs reassess. But I think that having those four guys all together, they complement each other so well. You can play basically any kind of defense against any perimeter guy in the league. Those four guys and they're just better. I mean, there's there's just no way around it. They're better. He's a much better player than Marcus Smart was last year. And you know, you made that point about the shooting. He'd have those games. He'd go 5 for 22 in a playoff game. You know, he'd eat. But I do feel like he was asked to do a little bit more than maybe what he's supposed to be doing. I don't feel like he's a pure point guard. Right. Now you have White who can handle most of the ball handling. He could play off the ball and they're going to get the best version of him. Awesome locker room guy, too, by all accounts. I mean, really like a beloved teammate wherever he went. And I think they wanted to change the chemistry a little bit. I think this was an unhappier team than maybe they led on to the outside world last year. Yeah. Look, I definitely like him more than Smart. And you know, to be totally fair, when I'm looking at like the Lillard side of this trade last week before we knew the second piece of Drew and upgrading from Drew to Lillard, I'm going, OK, well, now you're top two in Milwaukee's like in the argument for the best two in the NBA. OK, that's that's really what this league has been about now post the teens decade where it was the arms race for your top three. It's you look around the league, you go, OK, who's got the two best? Like, let's come up with the five teams who have the two best. And with Lillard and Giannis, that's like a whole nother level. So when I was looking at it, it's like Lillard compared to Drew, you know, Drew is not somebody you're expecting to break down a defense off the dribble. Right. Oh, we're stuck into the shot clock, like make something happen where Lillard can literally do anything right in the final second of the shot clock and still you feel like it's still a decent look. So that part of it's a huge upgrade. But he's number three to four as far as an offensive option. He also and I don't know, this is just me talking out loud as I thought about the trade. It's pretty clear that when Boston's offense gets into trouble in the playoffs, like Tatum and Brown haven't figured out a way to kind of unlock it other than just like I can already picture my head like I know what the Tatum move is going to be. I already know what the Jaylen Brown move is going to be. And I don't know if Smart was able to make their life easier with the playmaking. And then sometimes I even think Smart would go like, well, if you guys are going to screw around, like I might just I might just be green light on this possession. I don't think Drew necessarily plays that way. So, you know, it's probably silly for me to think that like Drew is going to be the Steve Nash type who comes in and sets up all these great late playoff possessions. But there may be something in lessening the burden of those guys feeling that they have to do or defaulting to just forcing the issue as much as they do in the playoffs. I like how much ball handling they have, to your point, because they were talking about experimenting a little bit more with Tatum as a point forward this year, which makes me nervous a little bit just because, you know, he's six foot nine. I'm not sure that's the best use of him, but they seem pretty adamant. Like we feel like he could be a little bit more of a creator. And then you think White can do that. To me, White is the key to this season now, because if, you know, other than the Porzingis health thing, which I almost I'm going to knock on wood, but part of the reason they made all this movement and they got rid of Brogdon and Smart was I think they really wanted to push White to be the lead ball handler for them and a creator. And there's some unbelievable pick and roll stats with him. And just if certain people set him a pick in the way, even in the Miami series, he was one of the only guys who could create offense. So I think they have that plus they have Drew. And the reality is for Drew, this is this might be the deepest offensive team he's been on. Right. When you think back to like it was on some pretty weird Philly teams and some pretty weird New Orleans teams, and even when Milwaukee was at its best, it was really just Giannis, Middleton and Drew. And that was it. This is there's more shooting and playmaking around him than I think we've seen. Maybe it'll be a slight upgrade on the flip side. He doesn't have Giannis, who was the second best player of the century, probably, but I like the spot for him. It seemed like he really wanted to go to a contending team and I don't really know who they were competing against because for reading through some of the reports, it just seemed like Philly. I don't even know what the trade was for them. Portland wanted at least one piece back, probably two that they could do their keeper package. They wanted picks back. Golden State wasn't even in it. And it didn't seem like OKC ever threw their hat in the ring, which I was shocked by because I felt like OKC was the sleeping giant of this whole thing with Dort and some picks and just say, fuck it, let's let's see if we can be really good this year. So it seemed like it was down to Boston. The Clippers, they just had more assets. I don't know if Portland keeps Rob. He's on a good contract. They already have Ayton. My guess is that they're probably spinning him. Does it make sense that both of those guys? My sense is they're going to try it out, you know, but, you know, the thing with Rob is like, if you think he's an awesome defensive player that's just out there, like he's awesome when he's used a certain way. And once Boston unlocked that two years ago, where they stuck him on a non shooting big and then you could see other teams adapt to it, it's like, well, let's stop giving them an out where Rob can just roam off of this dude that's not a shooting threat, because I think that, you know, this is just going to turn into like now that he's not here. But I mean, have you listened to us talk about Rob Williams at all last couple of years? He you know, I don't I don't think he's I know what the defensive metrics are. I know the on off stuff. It's a big reason why I think the analytics models always love Boston. Like sometimes you look at him and be like, hey, I think this team's good, but like these numbers are overwhelming. This is like, yeah, it's it's so far like as if there's this huge gap between Boston and everybody else, which I never really felt going back these last two years. But you're if Chauncey Billups and you think like, OK, Rob Williams is going to go out there and like wreak havoc, it's like, well, he has to be used a certain way. So maybe they feel like that's in defensive support to Aiten. And with Aiten, you know, I have I'm not quite sure what to expect. Well, this is the one thing he's probably going to put up huge numbers because he's not going to have older dudes that have a higher status in the league that go, I'm sick of passing it to you. So he's probably going to get more touches. We'll probably see like early Aiten numbers and like twenty to ten for the first six weeks of the season. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. Like he'll he'll he'll put up some big numbers there. But, you know, defensively, it's really about his competitiveness because there were times I think going back two years ago when we were thinking about him with that run of the Suns, the finals, you're like, look at this guy. Like he can switch out on the smaller players. You can rotate. But it's all about the way he's wired. And I think long term, unfortunately, like we already kind of know the answer there. Like I don't think all of a sudden now you start playing with some fierceness after being in the league this long. So he was the fifth option on that team and there seemed to be real resentment toward him in that whole Phoenix culture of like, why doesn't he just realize we don't need his offense? We need him to basically rebound and block shots and crash the offensive boards. I think his attitude was probably twenty five years old. I want to be the best player I can be. I already went to a finals. I don't that's not I think I could do more than that. So I don't I don't think anyone was necessarily wrong. As I said, on my Thursday pot, I just hated the trade for Phoenix. I just thought they got the poopoo platter back. You know, they got some some some spare ribs back and a couple of egg rolls and and that's it. But they did not get an entree back. And I think he's an entree on the right team, whether he's a guy that made sense for them. I don't know. But I know that they didn't get a good haul for him. I think Rob, for his contract, for what his talents are, is a really intriguing piece for them or for another team, because you could trade for him. And it's not like a daunting salary. Right. I think he's in what is what is it, like 15 a year or something like that? No, it's a really good. Yeah. I mean, it was a really low cost extension and he's still a pretty young guy. Yes, so.
A highlight from A Dame Trade Deep Dive With Ben Thompson, Plus Seth Meyers and Million-Dollar Picks
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We did the big chill. It was very, very exciting. I have Kyle Brandt coming on Monday's podcast. I'm just gonna tell you the movie now because it is gonna be the best moment of your weekend if you spent two hours watching this classic. We're doing Toy Soldiers. It really brings everything possible to the table. So if you wanna watch it ahead of time, there it is. That podcast is going up Monday night. If you wanna hear stuff about the debate, we have Tara Paul and Mary's podcast, Somebody's Gotta Win. That reacted to it as well as the press box with Brian Curtis and David Shoemaker. So there you go. Our debate coverage has been on point. Also, higher learning. Van and Rachel had Larry Elder on this weekend. It made a lot of noise, man. That podcast is great. I hope you check that out as well. Hope you're checking out theringer .com. And on this podcast, gonna talk about the dame trade at the top. We're gonna bring in Ben Thompson from the Techery newsletter, which he's been on this podcast I think four weeks ago. And he's a huge Bucks fan. He's gonna give the Bucks fan side of things. We're gonna do million dollar picks. And then old friend Seth Meyers talking about a whole bunch of stuff. So really good podcast. It's all next. First, our friends from Pro Jam. What's up? All right, I'm taping this on Thursday afternoon. Normally when there's a big MBA trade, I always do the emergency trade reaction right after the podcast. But we just put up a podcast on Tuesday. So I decided to play it a little differently this time. I wanted a little distance, I wanted to listen to stuff, read stuff, and try to form some big picture opinions coming out of this. So I have four smaller ones, then one big one. First one, I thought Portland did an incredible job with this trade. I really liked this trade, especially everyone was trying to bully them in June and July about, oh, you got to take Miami's offer. You just got to. It's where he wants to go. It's the only offer you're going to get. And guess what? They waited. They played it perfectly. They stared Miami down, and they got a much better deal. First of all, they get the Drew Holiday piece that they can flip into a bunch out of their stuff, which we'll talk about in one second. I love the DeAndre Ayton gamble. As you know, on this podcast, I am a big DeAndre Ayton guy. Not in the sense of I'm the biggest fan of his in the world, but I'm a fan of the asset. I just think I love the valued assets, no matter what it is. Whatever market we're talking about, DeAndre Ayton, 18 and 10 for his career, 60 % field goals percentage, 25 years old. He's played in 45 playoff games. He played four rounds in the 2021 finals. Last year, he got his ass kicked by Jokic. Oh, sorry. Like, that never happens. And Phoenix just sold on him, which I can't wait to talk about. But just from a Portland standpoint, they not only get Ayton in whatever they get for holiday, they get the 29 first, they get the two swaps, and they dump Nurkic. Nurkic hasn't had a healthy start to finish all the way through the playoffs here since 2018, which I'm positive was a long time ago. He's basically 12 and 8. He's, you know, a 50 % shooter. I made a list of the top 30 centers. I encourage you to do this at home, because what's more fun than making lists of NBA centers? I can't imagine anything. I made a list of who I thought were the best assets of the center position for talent, contract, everything. He was 29th on my list. The only person I had ahead of him who's technically a starter, unless you start talking about the Detroit or Charlotte guys, was Zubats on the Clippers. I thought he was the 29th best center asset in the league. And Phoenix, you know, just quickly to go to them, they're trying to win this year. They got worse. They turned Ayton's money into Nurkic and Grayson Allen and Nasir Little. Grayson Allen, we already know with him, he can't play in playoff series. We saw him 22. We saw it last year. I heard and read in some places like that, I got two rotation players. Did they? Is Nurkic a playoff rotation player? Is Grayson Allen a playoff rotation player? Because I'm positive he's not. So for the same money that they were spending on Ayton, they got three guys that I don't think are going to help them. In 25, the money comes down a little bit to 23 million just for Nurkic and Little, which is 7 million less than Ayton. And then in 26, that money goes up to 25 .5. But I don't understand what Phoenix was doing. Why not wait to see if Ayton clicks with Vogel? Vogel has such a good history with centers. He rejuvenated Dwight Howard on the 2020 Lakers. He basically created Roy Hibbert's career in 2013 with the defense verticality thing. I thought he was going to do a good job with Ayton. I'm stunned that they gave up on him. I'm almost waiting for one of those, now they tell us stories when, you know, that's where Brian Curtis calls them, where like a week after something happens, there's this kind of notebook dump where it's like, here's seven terrible DeAndre Ayton stories. So maybe that'll happen. But for Phoenix just to be like, cool, we locked this down, man. We got Nurkic. You're trying to win the title. You have KD and Booker and Beal. And like, what are you guys doing? Anyway, from Portland's standpoint, I love the Ayton thing. I love that they didn't get bullied. And I know they're going to turn Drew Holliday into something. So this to me was at least an A minus for them, for where they were two months ago, where Dave's like, I want to go to Miami. That's it. And if you don't trade me there, that's kind of fucked up. And they made this work as it got reported that, uh, I think in the athletic, that he expanded his list to Brooklyn and to Milwaukee in the last two weeks. And that's what Portland was waiting on. You know, they were banking on the fact that he's a competitive dude. He's one of the best 75 pairs ever. He wanted a situation settled. So, you know, you wait, you wait, you wait, they expand the list and then you go. Uh, there's a Drew Holliday piece to this. That's awesome. He becomes a contender prize. I wouldn't call this a Drew Holliday sweepstakes. I reserved sweepstakes for the superstars, but it's a mini sweepstakes. This is somebody that could have a huge impact on the playoff race. You know, not only the usual suspects, everybody's talking about Boston, ironically, Miami is a really good fit for him. And in some ways, um, I'm a little more scared of them with Miami than Dame in some ways, especially at a much cheaper contract with giving up less and keeping some of their assets. Philly, if they could pull it off, they have to be in there in Golden State, Minnesota. I think I have to mention Sacramento, I think is a team that if they could figure out how to get Drew without giving up their core, which is basically Keegan Murray and Sabonis and Fox, like that's, you know, could Davion Mitchell be in that trade with some, with a salary and some picks, who knows. The team that I love for Drew Holliday is OKC. I have OKC, you know, I started doing my MBA research for the over -under spot and I haven't landed on a number for them yet, but to me, they feel like a high forties team with Chet and with the growth of their young guys. And if you just like, let's say they traded Lou Dort and a bunch of their picks, maybe two firsts and two of their lesser picks or three firsts and a second, whatever it is. And they just say, fuck it. And they get Drew and you put him with Giddy and SGA and Jalen fucking awesome Williams and Chet Holmgren and all these other dudes they have, that might be a top three team in the West. I mean, that, that's starting to give me some early 2010s OKC vibes. So where he goes is going to be important. I just feel like there was so much Drew Holliday slander the last couple of days. You know, he's one of my favorite players. Even Haralabob, who was the chairman of the board of the Drew Holliday fan club for years and would have the benefit dinners there and, you know, just did a lot of yeoman's work on that front. And even he was like, yeah, yeah, Dame's better than Drew. That trade makes sense for Milwaukee. I was hurt, Haralabob. I was 100 % hurt by that. But you know, Drew got his ass kicked by Jimmy Butler in the playoffs last year. I get it. It happens. Jimmy was unbelievable. I feel like he would have kicked anybody's ass. By the way, why is Drew Holliday guarding Jimmy Butler? That speaks more to some of the issues with Milwaukee. He was never supposed to be a point guard and a creator. I think he was always better as an off -the -ball guy. We saw that with Rondo and New Orleans and just in general. I want to see him with a point guard. I want to see him just being unleashed, not having the ball a lot, just worrying about hitting threes, being an occasional, you know, make -shit -happen guy and being like the third or fourth best guy on a team without having the offensive responsibility to have. All their half court issues got blamed on him for the last couple of years. And I get it. They weren't like an awesome half -court team, even the other one in the finals, but I really value that dude. I had him, even I did the trade value list in August and I had him 37th and I had Dame 23rd. I think he's one of the best 30 players in the league still. He's 33 years old, which, you know, I'm going to talk in a second about when guards hit their mid -30s, but just in general, I think he's a real asset. If he goes to a team like the Celtics and they can keep Derek White and Tatum and Brown in the center, it's like, look out, man. So little mini sweepstakes, rarely do we get the trade, but then we still get another asset to talk about. Thank you for everyone involved in the trade. And then the fourth small point is just that, you know, not rocket science, Milwaukee bought some Giannis time here. They have one of the best 20 players of all time. They were staring down the barrel of a situation that was not good. I was talking about it on this podcast in late June and early July. I thought he was going to put them on the clock. I thought Mark Lasry selling his stake was a really bad sign for all of this because that dude is smart. As I laid out in June, that guy is really smart. And if he's feeling like, you know what, it's time for me to sell my buck stock, that makes me nervous. And then all the stuff that Giannis said and did, which I thought he did really fairly and really smartly. And I think that dude's about titles and that's it. And I know we say that about players, but I think in his case, I don't think he cares about, you know, what's my legacy, how do I compare against Dirk DeWhisky, any of that stuff. I just think he wants more rings. I mean, think about the guys who have won two rings out of the best 35 guys on my list of my pyramid. Those are all guys in my top 35 that won multiple wings. You go to the one -ring side, Jerry West, Oscar, Moses, Dirk, Jokic, Giannis, Pettit, Garnett, Kawhi, Rick Barry. That's the list he's on now. I certainly don't think he's looking at that list going, I got to get away from these guys, but it's a slightly different list. I think when you win multiple rings in multiple situations, it elevates you in a certain way. I think he fundamentally understands that at least a little bit. I want to be the best player since LeBron James. I think that's a thing that he wants. How am I going to do that? I need more rings. I need more finals trips. He knew from last year and maybe even the Boston series that they just weren't good enough. Whether this trade is going to be the thing that propels them, we'll find out, but he's been in the league 10 years, two MVPs, five first teams, two second teams, and now we have this little two -year window. Kawhi and the Raptors was a one -year window. This is a two -year window, I feel like. With Giannis, he's got two years left in his deals. So does Lopez. Middleton has two in a player option. Dame's got two, and then this crazy $120 million player option extension thingy that he has that just keeps going and going. It's probably two years. There's a world where this could go terribly this season, at least for what the expectations are, and then maybe it becomes Kawhi, Raptors. Maybe Giannis is like, you know what? That didn't work. Trade me. And the Bucks, who have no picks left and no future, they look at it next summer, and they go, all right. We tried it. Giannis, what can we get for you? Dame, what can we get? And they just do a reboot, rehaul. Remember, they won in 2021, which just takes so much pressure out of this. It's so much different than the Clippers situation, where they went all in on Kawhi and Paul George. They give up all those picks and SGA, and they've gotten nothing out of it. They haven't even made the finals. So it's got to happen. I think they at least probably have to make the finals. If they get bounced in round two, do I think Giannis is going to stay because they made this Dame -Mower trade? Probably not. So that leads to the big question, is how good of a trade was this? So there's a big picture angle on Dame, and it's going to sound negative, but I really don't want it to sound negative because I think Dame, I voted for him for NBA Top 75. I think he's been one of the best guards in the last 15 years. I think there's a ton of great things you can say, and there's a chance that he goes to Milwaukee, and this thing is fucking awesome. I know any Celtic fan I've talked to, including Isaiah, who's helping produce this podcast today, the Giannis -Dame pick and roll is just terrifying. Other than Jokic and Murray, it's going to be the single most unstoppable offensive play in the league. It is. We are conceding that point. The spot Dame is in right now, big picture -wise, it's weird. He's a superstar, but he's not, and we've seen guys like this before. I judge superstars by, do you have the resume statistically, and is your team succeeding consistently at a certain level? You can't totally say that about Dame. He's never been on a 55 -win team. He's missed the playoffs completely four times in 11 years. He said three first -round exits. He made the Final Four once in 2019, which was really lucky because Golden State and Houston were the two best teams, and then they got smoked. He's never been on a true contender ever. Instinctively, you go, well, that's not his fault. Who's he played with? Well, he played with LaMarcus Aldridge and CJ McCollum and a couple other guys, but not really anybody. The reason I'm putting this up is there's a success element that he has not had yet that for somebody with his resume is actually kind of unusual. I went and I looked up how many guards in the history of the league averaged 22 points a game for their career and played at least 700 games. I thought the list would be like 20. I didn't know. I didn't know what I was walking into. Only I think 75 guys have averaged 22 a game. So I went and I looked up the list, and it was 10 guys, 700 games, 22 a game for their career. There were some guys who came close like David Thompson, who I think is one of the best guards I've seen in the last 45 years, but had a short career and had some drug issues. He didn't make it. He didn't play enough games. Pete Maravich, 24 .2 points a game, but he didn't play enough games. Kyrie hasn't played enough games yet. Bradley Beale is five games away. I'm actually kind of glad the cutoff's at 700 so we don't have to talk about him. And then Mitchell and Trey Young aren't there yet. There's only 10 guys that made it, and the 10 guys are all fucking awesome. And again, I mentioned this in the context of Dame, who we think he is versus the success he's had. So the 10 guys, Michael Jordan, 30 .1, Jerry West, 27 .1, Allen Averson, 26 .7, George Gervin, 26 .2, Oscar Robertson, 25 .7, Kobe, 25 .0, Harden, 24 .7, Curry, 24 .6, Wade, 22, barely made it, and Russ, 22 .4, and then Dame is at 25 again. All right, what does he not have that those other guys have? Well, MJ, don't need to talk about him. Don't need to talk about Jerry West, who's the freaking logo. Allen Averson, pretty good comparison, right? Big stats, really memorable player, but not a ton of success. Here's the difference. Averson made the finals once. He won an MVP. Dame has done neither of those things. George Gervin was the best scoring guard of the 70s. He made two final fours. He had some bad luck. He really, in 79, really should have came close. And some of it's on him, right? He could have come through. Bobby Dandridge is the one that ended up coming through for the Bullets. They lose. But two final fours, he had four top five MVP finishes, five first teams, four second teams. He was just unassailably the best guard in the league until MJ. Oscar Robertson, don't need to go through him, but he won a ring and an MVP. Kobe, five rings and an MVP. Eleven first teams for Kobe, by the way. James Harden, three final fours, an MVP, six top five MVP finishes, six first team MBAs. And even though Harden has never made the finals as the best guy, he made it with OKC as the sixth man, you could build a contender around Harden. We saw it. We haven't really seen it with Dame. I think that's a fair thing to bring up. Curry, four rings, two MVPs, you know, the Curry thing. Dwayne Wade, three rings, two top five MVPs, two first teams, three second teams. He's more in the Dame waters a little bit, but he had the 2006 finals and he was the second best guy with LeBron on those heat teams. And then Westbrook, who you would say, well, Dame had a better career than Westbrook. Did he? Westbrook made the finals in 2012. He was second best guy on that team. Almost made the finals in 2016. He won an MVP. He had two first teams and five second teams. It's at least like a real argument. And I think when you look at Dame, he only had that one 2019 round three, got bounced. He's only had one top five MVP finish. He's only had one first team MBA and four second team MBAs. Really, really good top 75 career. But the piece that's missing is, have you been on a really good team? Have you made a real run at it? Which is why, you know, I think this Milwaukee trade is so much fun. This is his real chance. I get nervous about a couple things with this trade. One is that, you know, if you look at the 33 and older guards who average 22 points a game in a season. Jordan did it twice. Curry did it twice. Still going. Kobe did it three times. Jerry West twice. Sam Jones once. Hal Greer once. That's the entire list. Now the NBA is different. We have more three -pointers now. It's easier to score. Scoring is the easiest it's ever been. Guys can play at a longer age. So I'm not ruling out Dane being good for the next three years. But just pointing out, history is saying, be a little nervous. In general with guards, like Chris Paul, we saw from age 35 to 36 to 37, like it just dropped. But that's two years older than Dane. Maybe it's fine. I just worry about guards. We have not a lot of instances with guards in their mid -30s of them either peaking as players or being able to sustain whatever success they had during their prime. It always starts to go down with really no exceptions, except for Steph Curry. He's the only non -exception. So if your case is Dane's as good as Steph Curry, or Dane can be as potent as Steph Curry on a winning team, like, you know, Steph Curry is better than Dane, but I'm not going to argue that he couldn't do a lot of the stuff that Curry did in Golden State. The bigger issue for me, the age I'm definitely worried about. Dane has not been healthy the last couple of years, and we have not seen him play nine straight months at playoff basketball with a big bullseye on his back. Everybody coming after you, you're the best team. We haven't seen him do that ever, much less than the last couple of seasons. So can he stay up? Can he stay healthy? That's one thing. The defense with Dane just got kind of swept under the rug the last couple days, and I don't really understand it because there's five categories of defensive player I feel like. There's excellent, there's good, there's average, there's not so good, and then there's bad. And I think Dane's a bad defender. I think the stats back it up. Like, his defensive rating last year was 245 out of the guards. He's the 245th guard for defensive rating. You know, 117 .4 individual defensive rating is 483 overall. Portland's team's always defensively, it was the Achilles heel for them. Partly because of Dane, because he couldn't guard anybody. He's too small. And, you know, think about what we saw from the playoffs the last couple years. I think about the 2020 bubble Celtics playoffs, not infrequently, because I think that team had a chance to potentially win a title. What happened? Everyone hunted Kemba Walker. It was hunting season. It's like, where is he? Got to get a switch. Got to get Kemba Walker guarding somebody who's bigger, or got to beat him off the dribble, and it just became a hunt session with him. And basically, he got played out of the league. He's not in the league anymore. You know, we had this with Isaiah Thomas, too, in the mid -2010s. I think it's been an issue with Kyrie Irving. The Celtics certainly went at him in the playoff series with Brooklyn a couple years ago. Curry, you saw, who I think is a better defender than people give him credit for, but the And he's a much better defender than Dame is. Jordan Poole is somebody that got hunted in playoff series recently. Chris Paul, obviously, is a big one. Jalen Brunson, remember what the Heat did to him? Mitchell, when he was on Utah, this was a huge issue. And then Trae Young, obviously. My fear with Dame is he's a DH, and I think in Portland, part of the reasons he was able to put up the stats he did was because he wasn't playing defense, right? It was just, how many points can I score? My team isn't very good, and I'm just going to do my thing. He's an incredible offensive player. But how much of a trade -off is the defense, right? Well, you think, all right, well, Milwaukee, they're really good defensively. They'll be able to protect him. Here's the team. Giannis, Dame, Lopez, Portis, Middleton, Conaton, Beauchamp, Crowder. Who's guarding Trae Young on this team? Who's guarding Jason Tatum? Here's a partial list of guys that I don't think this team will be able to guard this season. Devin Booker, Tatum, Butler, Trae Young, Kyrie, Curry. Who's going to be chasing Curry around the screens? Dame lowered? Good luck. SGA, Luca, Mitchell, Murray, Edwards, Brunson, Ja, Garland, Fox, Halburn. Are they going to be able to cover Derek White? I don't know. The way this team is constructed, they are not going to have the ability to guard other guards at all, which means they're just going to have to be in a shooting match with them, right? It's going to be not much different than what's going to happen with Phoenix, where they're just literally going to have to outscore the other team. I've just watched too much playoff basketball over the last couple years, where it's like, if you have that weak link on defense, and you're playing a team that's smart enough, they're going to go after that weak link. Like, think about them against the Lakers, right? The Lakers figure their crunch time. Let's say they make the finals. It's Milwaukee and the Lakers, and Lakers crunch time. They're going to have LeBron and Davis and Austin Reeves and, I don't know, a shooter and a point guard, whatever. All they're going to be doing is trying to find where Dame is on the court and going after him. What about when they play Boston? Boston puts out White and Brogdon and Tatum and Brown and a center, and all they're going to be doing is trying to make sure Dame is covering somebody who has the ball who's now torturing him. I think it's a real problem for them. And what's funny is they gave up Drew's defense and, you know, they, what they gave up on defense, which is significant, and they gained an offense, it might end up just being a wash and they might just be a different version of the same team where they still have a huge flaw. It's just on the other end of the court. I'm just shocked that nobody brought up the defense. I agree he's an amazing offensive player and what's cool about this trade and what I'm excited about as a basketball fan is, can he go up a level? Right? A lot of these stats he put up, especially the last couple years. They didn't mean anything. They were, he was on bad teams. Like, who cares? Ultimately, Bradley Beal scored 30 points a game on the Wizards. Who cares? I think most really good offensive players, if they're on a bad team, can get between 25 and 30 a night. Can you do it nine months in a row? Can you do it when you're getting hunted on defense all over the place? How much can Milwaukee protect him? And what does he have in the tank at age 33 with 900 plus games on the O 'Dominor already? I'm still afraid of the Bucks, but people have, like, FanDuel had them as best odds in basketball and I think most people feel like they're the favorite now. I don't feel like there's a favorite. I think you can go through every team. Boston, I could, I'm scared of Porzingis. What's going to happen with Jalen Brown out there? He has contracts. Can Peyton Pritchard, all these different things. Philly, God only knows. Miami, they're unquestionably worse. Yeah, Milwaukee is going to be really good, but depending where Holiday lands and how this all plays out, I just think it's still wide open. And the other piece, so if you're just talking Boston, Miami, Tatum kills Milwaukee. I have no idea why. Boston is kind of built to at least stay with Dame and, you know, Derek White is about as good of a person you're going to have to try to keep Dame in check, at least. And Boston's done a really good job of guarding Giannis over the years. They don't have Grant Williams this year, but I just don't think, I think there's as many ways this goes wrong as it goes right, I guess would be my final thought on this because for what they gave up, especially with that 29 unprotected and the two swaps and, you know, they are all in on this team. And you know my theory, when you go all in on a team, you better think you can win. Not positive, but it's an awesome trade. It really is. It makes the league so much more fun. Dame and Giannis together. I'm going to enjoy watching Portland. I still have my eating stock. Watching Phoenix fans slowly realize that Derkiszna isn't the answer is going to be fun and then we'll see where Drew Holliday goes. So really fun trade. We're going to talk about it a little bit more with Die Hard Bucks fan, Ben Thompson in one second. Let's take a break.
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on NBA Front Office w/ Keith Smith & Trevor Lane
"From thereafter, or this could be a, he got there, he's never really good in any never really got to that level again. So only time will tell, you know that there's the G 7 H 24. There's a lot of story left to be written there, but yeah, right now, it's discouraging for sure with the way he played. And I think the important thing is he knows it and no one is more discouraged than he is. He is the most even killed player I've ever covered. Doesn't get excited, doesn't get down. It's pretty much he's in a lot of ways, very, very boring to cover, as far as his quotes and stuff, 'cause he just doesn't give you anything. You know, it's always, you know, they're a great team. That's a great player and I need to work hard. I need to be better and a little while the stuff that guy say when they don't want to say anything. And last night, you could tell he was just he was crushed. He was devastated. It is postgame presser. I've never seen him look like that. And that in a lot of ways, as much as it's painful, that's encouraging, because as you may don't kiss it, which is so true, you want it to hurt. Now for months, you know, take this hurt all the way into October and let that be what pushes you forward. As we go into next season. So it sucks, but it is what it is. I thought the other big story out of this from the Celtic side in terms of why this result came about because the Celtics were the favorite going into the game. There was a point in this series where it looked like the Celtics were in pretty good shape. They were up to one. Up two to one with a lead in game four. That's right. To go up three one and the bench really disappeared. 5 points. 5 points from the bench and the moment looked too big for Derek white. Grant Williams was 16 minutes, one for two shooting didn't really make much of an impact out there. What this is what's so confounding is the bench was so strong in the previous series. They were the guys that were just, they were clutch. They were making plays. They were looking like everything was everything was just on autopilot. Like the pressure didn't phase them and then suddenly here we get to the finals and you get into the later stages and it was like they just forgot how to be successful. Yeah, grant Williams and Peyton Pritchard never really showed up in the finals and I don't know if they just stayed in Miami after game 7 or what happened Derek white was pretty good in the first couple of games and then just absolutely fell off the planet just couldn't make a shot. Didn't look confident at all on a shot he actually just wrapped up exit interviews with actually all three of those guys and they all touched on points of confidence. At points and with Williams and purchase you get it a little bit more. I think there's this white you expect a little bit more because he's more of a veteran but also I think there's some of this, we'll just with the spurs, but he wasn't with the spurs, right? Like he wasn't there for that. He hasn't been around that long. He kind of came in on the tail end of a couple of those guys finishing up. So it's definitely tough. That is this spot where upgrades are needed. The starting 5 is good..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Well, draymond, I gotta hand it to him. I thought he was really good tonight. He made a couple pivotal outside shots at the right times. I just thought that was the best game I've seen him in person. Shot with confidence. Yeah, he did. He was really good. He was probably their third best player today. I still have Wiggins as the second best player in that game. Steve Kerr 9 rings. I thought, look, I'm biased, I'm Friends with Steve Kerr, known him for, I don't know, 15, 16 years. He's one of my favorite people talk basketball. I was so impressed by his coaching this whole postseason room, but especially the Celtic series. He picked the wings off the butterfly. Him and his staff, they just, I saw game 5 and I was telling you guys, we're walking down how pessimistic was I before this game. Very very. It's not expressed any optimism, not at any point today in the run up to today, but since game 5, you've just been like, I just don't think we're going to do it. I would never bet against the Celtics, especially in the finals, but I was just like, I was going to be so surprised. To me, it had to be some sort of crazy monkey wrench, like Peyton Pritchard hitting 7 threes type of thing because I just really felt we talked about this last night. I just really felt like the warriors had solved them. And the last time I remember when I did that 2014 finals and we were doing countdown that year and I was like, I think that in the pre game, I was like, I think the series is over. I think santonio has figured out this team. The ball movement, my image just can't handle it. And today was like that too. They.
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"I think that you're, I don't even know how I feel about the series yet because I was stunned by that fourth quarter in a way that it sounds like you weren't necessarily well, I was stunned by the severity. I mean, the warriors are going to struggle. They didn't in the second quarter, but they're going to struggle in the non stef minutes that has been a problem for Golden State, low these many years. But what was most interesting was I think it was like a 14 or 17 O run after curry came back on the floor. And for me, it's actually more about the zero than the 17 because the warriors not getting anything going even when they have their best player who had an impressive overall game. You know, like that, that says something. And they missed a couple of good shots, but mostly they weren't getting clean looks. Yeah, I thought Boston's defense totally ratchet it up. In the fourth quarter in a way that was really interesting, like Peyton Pritchard was awesome in that fourth quarter. That's a good job. I thought. And it was the best playmaking I've seen from jaylen Brown that first 6 minutes of the fourth quarter. Maybe the best playmaking stretch from him I've ever seen? My question now is going to be how, like everyone has talked about how Boston adjusted defensively in order to stop Golden State from getting clean looks. And frankly, like also just having Stephen Curry off the court. My question is how Golden State responds to defensively. Because I don't really know if they will continue to just leave shooters open. That seemed like a significant strategy for them in game one. I heard draymond green kind of allude to it on his podcast where they were talking about or he was talking about, you know, they decided to leave Derek white relatively open from three in Derek white, made them pay from three..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"Has his story and that story's gonna stick. I'm a leader right here. Yeah. That's it. Well, I mean, the last thing you want to do is the last thing you want to do is spread it to your teammates, you know? Again, so if that's the case that's fine, but he went to shoot around and was smiling. Am I playing devil's advocate again? I don't know. I don't know. All I know is he went to shoot around, but now he says he felt off and had for a day or two, but he went to shoot around and then tested and he says he's self tested and again, whatever, so be it. That's Al story and his charade said he's sticking to it. And got the news blah blah blah was able to test out is what it is. But so he beat COVID that quickly. I'm glad he's back. I'm glad you told me. I think I worked with a three time Kobe's champion. He is three times surviving. So regardless, the fact that he returned this quickly, obviously made a huge difference. The fact that he got Marcus smart back that quickly obviously made a huge difference. And now there's just no reason to believe that you're going to run into any other bumps unless of course something else happens unforeseen, but right now you got the band back together and that's really all you can hope for at this point in the season. Being anywhere close to full health for anyone is remarkable and though the Celtics did suffer the issues with rob at the end of the year and into the Brooklyn series and whatever has gone on with Marcus here in this Horford situation, you're a game three of the Eastern Conference Finals and you've got your entire lineup intact and that's more than you can say for a lot of people. Again, I want to kind of transition over the PJ Tucker news getting an MRI that doesn't mean anything but they're concerned enough and they ruled them out when you get ruled out instantly when you go back to the audience. That's usually not a great thing. It's a questionable to return and then you kind of do it. But he went back to get looking at him. He got ruled out right away and he's having an MRI tomorrow. That's not great. Again, you've got the situation. Here's where the heat have problems. You know, you broke fast in case of emergency brought Duncan in the game. The reason he's not playing with your brain is going to get torched on defense. Tyler hero is a minus freaking 33 tonight in his 20 minutes. I know he's instant offense, and he comes in, but not tonight. A bunch of thrust him into a starting role and what does that mean? Peyton Pritchard was picking on Tyler hero in this game. They were hunting him. They were hunting hunting, Tyler hero. He has not haunted a player probably since they played Oregon state. His junior year. Peyton Pritchard was that guy at. Let me get at him. And you put him in a starting lineup and get him on switches against Tatum or as a primary defender against Jalen Brown. Good night. You know, that's not a great situation there..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"And it was one of, in my opinion, one of the three best guys in the first half. It was Tatum rob and Pritchard in that first half. There's really nobody else. And then, you know, obviously the wheels came off. It's the trickle down. It's just when you try to get 30 minutes out of guys like Peyton Pritchard and they turn into pumpkins. If Peyton Pritchard was suited to play 30 minutes a night, he'd be a starter somewhere. Like, it just is what it is. Like, you have guys who have roles. 12, 14, 15, 16, 18 minutes. You know, in certain times, sometimes those minutes go up because they're giving the game what it needs at that time or you find you find a lineup or a matchup that you like. That's great. But you know, you pump it up to 30 minutes because Marcus smart is out. That's just, you know, he's miscast there. You know, there's things that he does for you. Things that he can't. And Marcus smart is sharad said, his ability to settle things to control that offense to get them back into what they're doing. 17 assists in the first half, 5 in the second. Holy crap. You know, they just landed on total shutdown. Yeah, they had almost all of their points in the pain. The first half and they stopped doing that too. And again, credit Miami for 14 points in the third quarter. But they needed people to kind of do the things they do. And when Miami got hot and got hot from the perimeter, you need a guy like Marcus smart in there. You need a guy like Marcus smart to body up. Jimmy Butler and be savvy enough not to follow him every single freaking time. And so I know people will be like the refs. Look, I get it. It's frustrating when you get guys who get calls and butlers one of those guys who gets calls. We just got through a Giannis series. Buckle up. You're going to get a lot of this stuff with butler as well. He earns a lot of it. He's crafty. He's smart he knows what the hell he's doing. And he gets and he doesn't and he doesn't get him in the same way janus gets him. He's not playing bully ball out there and just driving it in the corner. No, he's up faking. He's getting him. Yeah, he's getting you on pump fakes. He's getting. I mean, he got niece myth. He works at all those guys. Yeah, exactly. I mean, those guys are going to learn. I mean, the thing is, it's all on the tape too. You just got to watch the tape and you just got to be thinking out there like, okay, this guy's, I mean, hell, pat Beverly on his, you know, on his media tour. He went and said, you know, it's easy to cover. You just got to know Jimmy Butler's gonna pump fake. That's all. Pat Beverly, the hater of the year right now, but. Jeez. Man, he is so damn entertaining though, man. That is a train wreck. Every single one. He used to be one of my favorite guys to watch..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Open Floor: SI's NBA Show
"Why don't we just start with that series? Let's do it. Last night, the Celtics beat the bucks, tied the series up to a piece going back to Boston on Wednesday night. What is your do you have did you do the homework assignment? Yeah, of course, of course. Okay. Well, you leave me in the lurch here. Oh my goodness. Of course. Okay, do you want to do you want to kick things off? I have a question, of course, as well. But why don't you kick things off and we can get the conversation? I do, and I don't think my question's gonna be a surprise to you because we had a robust discussion in our group chat yesterday. After game four, but I mean, that was first of all, what a good game that was, man. That was so much fun. Just high level playoff basketball. Two really good defenses. In all seriousness about Satan and I said this during the game on Twitter, like that was one of those games where I don't think either team in this series is going to pay particularly efficient offense. I think asking for high efficiency from the stars is unrealistic. It's just, can you find ways to assert yourself, can you find those little holes pockets in the defense, et cetera? And I think both teams are trying to do that when they can. My question honestly is, what were the bucks thinking on offense? Because you and I had this discussion after the game, I just got the sense that Milwaukee was in control of that game and should have won it. And I understand the Celtics defense is very good and that Milwaukee's offense is compromised without Chris Middleton. At the same time, like some of their decision making still baffles me. There's multiple instances in the first half where Giannis got Peyton Pritchard so it's on him passed out of it immediately for like semi contested threes. Didn't work those possessions at all..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Celtics Beat
"And that's not specifically the bench, but the role players, who do you give the edge to here? Yeah, I give the answer to something. And again, that's with a healthy market smart with Robert Williams, you know, him getting better and getting more acclimated to playing regular minutes, you know, which I still don't think really has happened. You know, given the fact that just played game three and game four and not a ton of minutes in those and so he still get back to a 100%. Look, Brooke Lopez is not the same guy he was even last year to me. Certainly not two years ago or when the buck started this run when he first went to Milwaukee. He's taken a step back and then Grayson Allen has been very good, but played above his above his talent level and I think we're seeing that kind of come back down a little bit to what his level is. You know, Bobby portis, same thing. I mean, he's been fantastic. I don't think he can maintain that. He's playing above. You know, they did it last year in the biopsy. He's really good with playoffs last year. Obviously, good playoff player. But at the same time, you know, he's punching above his weight a little bit. And to me, from the Celtics, I think you're seeing a kind of effort from the role players that is maintainable that you can rely on. And maybe there's even some, I think Derek white can play better. Obviously. You know, Peyton Pritchard, I think, and it's not it's a low bar so far, but yeah, no question he can play that. Yes, please. All right, and I think will. You know, maybe we'll see Daniel Tyson at some point if they may decide to throw a wrinkle in there. I think that right now that have more cards to play in the guides who haven't played well have more to go, you know, that they can give more, whereas I think that what we've seen from the bucks and their role players has pretty much been what we're going to see with them at the best. You know, he probably doesn't care. He's probably not listening to it. He's certainly not listening to us right now, but I do feel a little bad for Derek white in that he's, you know, he's I don't know if this was true with the spurs, but it's certainly here in Boston. He's got a little Marcus smart in him in the sense that, you know, people that are more casual and just kind of look at the box score. They just assume if the guy is, you know, isn't putting up X number of points or isn't hitting X number of shots or shooting at least, you know, whatever percentage from the field, he sucks. You know, and that's what he may said the other day and has said, countless times before. You know, not having Marcus for game two, unfortunate. You'd love to have a defensive player of the year anytime you can have them. But it's true that the Celtics don't lose a ton on that end of the floor with Derrick white. They don't..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Open Floor: SI's NBA Show
"Okay. Let's open up the mailbag. Okay, so I'm going out of order here because it seems just like the flow here is better from our outline. But we actually got an email from a listener named Rohan. It's a different Rohan. Interesting. Interesting. But he sent us this quick little thought exercise. Start bench cut. Oh, this was a great question. Kyrie Irving, Klay Thompson, Manu ginobili. Start bench cut. So thank you, Rohan, for emailing that. For me, can I just go first? Because this took me 5 seconds. And I was very confident in my answer. Did not think too deeply about it. And love what I have to say. So I'm starting clay. I'm benching Manu, and I'm cutting Kyrie, and I'm sleeping great at night. That sounds like somebody who had to endure the 2019 Boston Celtics. That's what that sounds like. That sounds like somebody who bought a Kyrie Jersey when he said he was going to resign in Boston, but didn't have the fan assurance on it when he left. Couldn't trade it in for a different player. Couldn't trade it in for Peyton Pritchard. I actually regret. So I honestly did have a Kyrie T-shirt Jersey and regret throwing it away because I could have just taken the duct tape and done the Payton Pritchard. That would have been very complicated. How I would have done that actually. But Peyton Pritchard, I don't need to get into a shooting splits right now, but he looks great. So what would you do here? Please, please play Peyton Richard during the playoffs. Let's go, baby. I don't think it's as simple as you do, certainly. I miss Manu. I tweeted I miss my dude. This question inspired that when I saw the outline and I, to be honest, I've yet to settle on an answer. This entire time, I've thought about it on and off ever since I saw the outline. And I think I think I'm starting clay bringing Kyrie off the bench and cutting Manu. But that's like that might just be recency bias. Sacrilegious thing to say. I'm sorry. This is just so hard to separate those guys. And I hate this exercise because it's forcing me to act like one of them's not good. All three are fantastic basketball players. No, they're all great. They're all great basketball players. I will say this. When there's a top 125 years, clay and Manu are gonna be on it before Kyrie Irving. I'll tell you that right now. I'll tell you that right now. So. No, it's not even, that's not up for debate. That's a fact. I know what you're saying. I also just think that like, yeah, man, what Kyrie did in the 2016 finals was insane. Cool. Yes, he did. He had like, that was one of the games. Okay, but three biggest games when you needed the three biggest games. Manu's never done that. And I love Manu and one of my all time favorite players. Okay, we should move on to I know we're saying this. You're forcing me to choose. It's not like I'm anti monument. I'm just like, can I play a little bit of devil's advocate here? Now you're making me out to be this big kairi support. But that series was nuts, dude. What do you want from me? Yep. My answer to the series. My answer to that question is I don't know. Leave me alone. That's my answer. I never want to hear you talk to me about waffling or being on the fence..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"Those lineups have been the ones where it's got you can see Jalen's like, all right, it's my job now to take over. And that's where things have gotten out of sync, it's where they're offense stalls, where they get into ISO a little bit. That's what I noticed tonight. It's happened on a couple of occasions. When their eyes cold and they're down by double digits, I think that's when you hit the pay in principal, you know? He tried to get in there and what is it all for two or so? I mean, you take what you can get from pride at that point, but I think he leaned on him. If you can make a three or two and just sort of get going. I'm afraid I have news for you, Bobby. There's a reason Peyton Pritchard hasn't played this year. There's a reason Payton Pritchard's probably not going to be better. It's probably because Peyton Pritchard is not that good. And it just is what it is. I just think he's one of those guys where he might get hot one time and he'll hit a bunch of shots. I just don't think he's a guy you're going to rely on for real World War I. And he was better. He was 6th in the league at his volume in catch and shoot for percentage. So he was up there with the Seth curry's and the guys like that last year, Joe Harris is in all those guys shooting like 43% in catch and shoot threes. And it wasn't like 20. It was like a 150, 170 something like that. So that's got to come back for him. That's his role right now. He's an off guard in those mentors. He's going to play every night. He's got to be better there. But as far as white goes, still quick decisions, still playing well out of the corners, second level drives. That play right before half, where Tatum found him and he got downhill and hit rob with the wab there. That's the kind of stuff he says that. Yeah. That was great. Still had a good game. Still factored in the crunch time. Got it in the corner one time, real quick baseline drive, just quick decision making, like, you know, whether or not he missed his shots. Again, he's got a really quick release and a quick trigger. He recognizes it's an opportunity and an open shot he takes it. You know, you want to see more go down. But the same thing when he decides to go to the basket. There's really no hesitation. There is a very decisive player. Yeah, which is good. You know, that's obviously a testament to him. Playing four years of college and being more of a Polish player than some of the other guys in that draft class, but also Bobby, I mean, the clock is ticking here..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Celtics Stuff Live
"So. What I was going to say though to go to that next piece, who is well, okay, but you have before you even get to the summer though, you've now opened space and this is now I want to play the hit. This is my hit. I've been doing this since 2005 on this show. What do I say? Play the kids. Play the kids. That's what we're gonna do. We opened up space. We play the kids, Peyton Pritchard. Come on down. Aaron Dee Smith. You've come on down, brother. Let's go. We've opened up space. This time, this room,.
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Celtics Stuff Live
"And plays awesome defense like take away the defense and maybe you're questioning it, but a stellar defender with 15 and 6 at 15 million for what I think he's got three more years left? Two and a half, the rest of us here two more. I think two more after. Yeah, two more. Yeah, two after this. So that's a nice stabilizing piece. We'll compliment Marcus, I think, pretty well. I love the way the ball movement had been going on recently. Three more. Let me it is three more hours. That's what I thought, at first I thought, and I was like, wait a second, maybe I'm wrong, but yeah. Yeah. So when you look at that, three more years at a value contract, hitting his prime at age 27. So you're going to have him from 27 to 30, 31, whatever depending on when his birthday is. And you know, that's kind of that prime prime time. And I think it's definitely a tradable asset in the off season if you decide that he isn't a good fit, but I see him as being a great fit next to smart. The ball movements what's been impressing me as of late with the Celtics. After this, not going anywhere, not doing anything, start to the season. Then you see Brown and Tatum doing a much better job of facility facilitating Brown at what 9 assists the other night, feeding rob Williams like a beast. That was a lot of fun to watch. I think with all of that, you're bringing another distributor that'll keep that ball moving and it'll really steady coming off the bench. And I know we're going to see some increased minutes for Peyton Pritchard, but I guess looking at the way the defense has been. They're pretty happy with the starting lineup. But there's a lot of speculation and I can definitely see the reasons for putting Derek white into the starting lineup and moving Horford to the bench, but I don't think that's really what they have in mind. Do you? No, I think I don't think long-term, that was what I was wondering if we'd get out of this trade deadline. Well, we get an answer to what's the future beyond Al Horford. You know, the money and all that goes with that, you know, it was unlikely because of the factor in the trade deadline, probably something like that would be a summer conversation or a draft situation. But he, I think they leave out work right where he is. And it's interesting. They like to start the game with a too big. But when you look at the rest of the game, it's one big. Most of the entire time. So it was like then? Well, I think he absolutely is. First big off the bench and early minutes. Insurance down down the stretch. I mean, 'cause he's a great team defender. We already knew that about him. Had a spot in the starting lineup doesn't now. But I could get a lot of early minutes in games. If Al Horford gets hurt, you're not necessarily getting killed and Derek white just at that point, slots into the starting lineup..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Celtics Beat
"And maybe you can retain shooter as a starter next year because he wants to play for at a far cheaper number. Is that the route they will go? I don't know, I don't know if they're sold on him as a long term answer there, potentially, but if you get a good offer. But if you can spend some of that money in other parts of the roster and get something good back for smart, then it might start to make sense to do something like that. So again, the odds are far more likely that shorter is dope than any of those guys in that list, but it doesn't surprise me to know that the Celtics are checking in on all those things just to see what potential buns they could push here to start building down the road and whatever direction they do to build around the JS. Well, we'll find out in the days and weeks to come obviously what's real what's due diligence, you know, you'll have reports, wow, and jobs and everybody else. We'll find out we'll get an idea of whether when they're smoke, there's fire versus, you know, it's just Talking Heads on the radio on TV or on the Internet, having a little bit of fun on Twitter. But you know, I don't know. The Dennis schwer thing is just so interesting because you can make a case. You can look at this in a lot of different ways. You can make a case that they have a higher ceiling just again this year with a guy like Schroeder versus not. Some would make the case otherwise because obviously the liabilities that haven't talked about, you could argue for him being the starter, even when smart returns and smart coming off the bench, he certainly thrived under Brad Stevens as a 6th man before becoming. This team started obviously in many ways smart as more of a playmaker. Schroeder is more of a guy who's who's got, you know, an offensive touch. We've seen it recently with the opportunity. But I come back to this kind of core thing, which we've been talking about in this show a ton throughout the season, which is, you're not going anywhere this year. You're not. You know, whatever your ceiling is this year and I do believe it's playoffs. Maybe it's win around, you know, go out in the second round. You're not a contender. You're not winning a championship this season, barring something wildly drastic happening in terms of in addition or injuries and the perfect matchups or whatever else. You know, I mean, it would be a real lightning in a bottle kind of thing. So if we operate with that mindset, you're thinking about getting under the luxury tax, you're thinking about freeing up opportunity and development and I don't think it's a development season per se, and I've had back and forth with people on Twitter about that. But I do think that there is value in we saw it when Schroeder was out when others have been out. You talked about how hard this team has been hit by COVID injuries and whatever else, you know, Peyton prichard's a guy who should be playing. And Peyton Pritchard and Romeo Langford and Aaron nee Smith, all these guys like, you got to find out if you have anything there. You need to really see if you have anything there in.
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Celtics Beat
"The table for that. But I will say there is an advantage to having Joe Johnson around. And that is teaching your 23 year old and you're 25 year old players a little bit more about routine about what you need to eat. We need to sleep. Because again, Joe Johnson's 40 years old in playing in the big three league or whatever it is and is doing somewhat well ish, right? And as highlights, you know, every summer and everybody goes crazy for the four point shot river he's doing. It's valuable to have a guy like him around. And I think because of the respect factor that he has, it might be at least should be looked into keeping him around. Because again, he's not going to play. I mean, he's really not going to play unless it's garbage time. He's a human victory cigar. It's fantastic when he comes out. Because you know that the games in hand and he might shoot a few times and everybody wins, right? I think there is these guys could use a little bit of that nurturing from Joe Johnson and I don't think it's a terrible Joe Johnson might show them one or two things that they could use in the game. It's not like Jalen and Jason don't have a library of things to look at or choose from in terms of like trying to figure out their game. However, you know, Joe Johnson's guy that's been there done that and scored in a variety of different ways. He could maybe teach some of the thing or two about some sort of move that they don't have yet. I see nothing but good value from this in my opinion and again, I like jabari Parker. So it's like jabari Parker who doesn't have any ACLs left or 40 year old Joe Johns. So pick your one. And there's some there's some weight over here with Joe Johnson, so I'm saying. Oh, at the very least, the chair is all the feel good story of the season for the Celtics. They have needed something like this teeth. Yeah, they just, I wrote it today in my takeaways for salt ex blog from the game. This team needed to have some fun. They wasn't just about winning because clearly they need to get some wins too, but they needed to have one where they did fun and felt good. And there was a lot of stuff to really feel good about from that game. I thought Romeo Langford played great. We could go for an hour on his post defense as a 6 foot four guard. I thought Aaron nee Smith hit some shots and looked pretty good. Peyton Pritchard reemerging in the rotation and looking like a really good player again has been huge. And then you get Ennis sprinting the court for a dunk that nobody expected. I mean, that thing was crazy. I said, that was the one that kind of had the building swaying. And then Joe Johnson blew the roof off when he got in the game and snake his way into that jump shot..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on Game Theory Podcast
"Those guys, I don't want to call it a sophomore slump by any means, but just had bigger roles in their first year and now they're sort of going through it where they had early success and now taking their lumps and not necessarily getting the playing time and opportunities that they did a year ago. Yeah, the quickly thing they obviously just signed a couple of point guards. And it's just, I think the role is weird for him right now. He hasn't played incredibly well, like he's not shooting well, but I think that's just a weird role situation for him. Peyton Pritchard, you know, like Peyton Pritchard is who he is. I think like a good solid backup point guard. I don't I really liked what I saw from Peyton Pritchard and summer league. I thought that he had a chance to really take a step forward. But I thought that like that step forward would be like, yeah, he's like the 40th best point guard in the NBA, right? Yeah. So far, he hasn't made shots. And he's obviously he's wearing a mask as well. What's up? I don't really know why he's wearing a mask. Do you know what? I don't know the mask update other than I'm just surprises out of the rotation. They know the summer league Celtic sauce and Chevy Jeff, he had a 93 points in a pro and game the day before. So I don't know if it's just giving him more time and because he can shoot..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"The bottom of the roster. He should be at least midway through the roster. I think that's what John was that's why he led with that. Exactly. Aaron nee Smith did it folks, aspirational. He scored. And Peyton Pritchard ran around fast, that was something that you guys texted me about. I was like, oh, what did I miss? I was like, he looks at the box courses. He didn't score it, and you're like, well, he ran. I'm like, okay. He opened things up, well. But he did not break away from the pack like my guy nee Smith showed signs of being able to do tonight. It's an amazing what can happen when you get a shot. Hit him the opportunity. He did. Because he was able to take a shot. He made a shot. Yeah. Which is what he does. Double digits. Which is what he doesn't. You know what? They could have used one of his shots, two nights ago. So let's discuss. Okay, me started. Let's just start, okay? I don't know. I'm curious the mood of the people here as they still kind of flood in, you know, coming in. But this was a horrible game against a horrible team. And I don't know how else you put it that way. And the Celtics scored 92 points, which really against the magic is like scoring 60 points against a real team. So this was a gross thing about the program. The whole first, the whole first had this wasn't defense. This was Orlando being offensively challenged, okay? This was a defense was great. It was fine. You thought it was great, Bobby? Yeah, 8 blocks to that portion in the third quarter. Getting out on three point shooters. I thought it was good. And good only because what they won and two, they beat a team that were supposed to. And three, they weren't relying on shop making to win. That's to me it was a big takeaway for me. The fact that they actually won a game and didn't have to shoot lights out to do so. But this game, you know what? When they won games, the average like a 123 points in victories. So for them to kind of have to, I wouldn't say grind it out but certainly not when based upon how well they shot the ball. It's huge. But to John's point Orlando sucks. This is a brutally bad team. Look at the Orlando miss. They're gonna be like, damn. Celtics did what they had to do..
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on The Cedric Maxwell Podcast
"It. But I'll tell you one thing though. This is great for the for the fact that the lower-tier if you will Celtics roster, right? Because they're going to finally get this training camp in, finally get some really against something like this Romeo Langford. This is the best summer. He's had to use like he's he's he's pumped, he does. He's not, he's not healing or he's not going through a surgery for the first time this week. Here's a question with me. Ask you this, have you actually seen him play? A little bit. The one I pour warm enough of shooting Max. Have you seen em made her plate? Cuz they he's on the roster. Have you seen him play? You looked off lights as you. You you're going to be calling these guys going to be cracking away. When you get hit back-to-back threes, man. I'm going to let that do right there off. That's nice! Nice play! No no no! But that's always like this to me. Have you seen him play? I've seen some highlights. Mango juice, I'll be right back. Hangs up called back in 10 minutes. Like don't ever make me look at highlights and then again please, please, you're killing me and see all season. It was like, it wasn't that bad but the fans love them. I mean, I just wonder. Yeah, they love. Yeah, because his name Max. It's like a cell phone. Well, first of all, I like, yeah, but Celtics fans are going to go with the same thing. You're going to see the truck these highlights and I'm thinking like okay skip must be about six eight six nine know like about 6 might could you thinking that's how it got me looking at. I think he isn't as ready as as Peyton Pritchard. Oh no. Yeah but I haven't seen a a no-name rookie come off. As ready as Peyton has come in a while maybe gyro gyro that's that's another one. He gets a full training camp, he gets a full summer leading. This is good, this is good for some really good you know. He could emerge as the starting point guard Following season, I mean he's going to get plenty of, you'll get plenty of minutes on this roster. At least the way the way it looks right now match you have a long. She actually you are to Joshua. I don't have to do. It shows more, no matter me. It's going to be a long season for you. If in fact we I think that what we have to talk about is do you guys think we're going to be on the road because both of you last month you know I says oh you're horse is a minute just relax mix out okay to you that you guys are going to be on the road broadcast. Thank you talk to Nick this week and it goes home printer. Would say you're not going to be, they're not going to let you in the arena like night and night and day during the summer league game at the television Studio, you're talking about the Summer League games. I'm just saying, what is the what's the Nipigon sub-assembly game? If somebody has you doing in the studio, nothing. Well, people will watch. I think I am. I am, I am. Should I be advertising the other way since I'm going to be yes, that'd be like you're talking about watching this. Poor. Oh okay. You talking about Thursday. This is going to be mesmerizing bad, stay with it because first of all, I gotta find out who the hell the players, but you're going to be there.
"peyton pritchard" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Walks over and goes. What do you call you? Go. What? What do you call you? Said Dustin. He goes what? He told you that. That's what name he goes. Is that right? Yeah, bro. I played 1600 games with you. I call them They've actually said it 5000 times now. Batting number 15, Dustin Roy and he goes. I thought it was doing Oh, not bad. Not bad. Enjoy working the room. That's I'm saying Pretty good. Nice work. Yeah. Good story. All right. Well, that will call it for the cooler of content because we got a little quick dose. Polly get doses in two years. I'm not going to go through a Tuesday morning without dose. And I'll tell you that right? He's ready for warriors Celtics tonight. Now. Okay on. No, Marcus. Smart. No. Peyton Pritchard for the Celtics know James Wiseman for the Celtics, By the way, a little bit for the war years previous to the dose. I just gotta say Murphy's You would call what he called the late kill or what is he? A. The weird killer were killed. I got a weird, silent kill. Yeah. Silent Kill were killed the late kill whatever it is. Yesterday afternoon, just walking around my house laughing to look at that. Everybody thinks I'm insane. I was laughing because I kept thinking about Du Lake of up in the seats. The disgrace. It's a chase is something about that. I don't know the disgrace of chase crazy like above the seats. I don't know There's something about Lucifer that when the Pistons come back, we got way We've got customers in distress. I'm on my way like Yeah, So they said, malice that the palace is coming to chase and the chasers. We said, we gotta build it somehow. So right now that the Pistons and the Warriors Like a blood feud may set the chase, right. Keyshawn Johnson's going to join us and daily dose of dubs going to join us and Leandro Barbosa. All coming up on candy are one of 45 and six. Anything sports played 1600 games with you. They actually.
How Payton Pritchard, Aaron Nesmith fared in Boston Celtics preseason debuts vs Philadelphia 76ers
"I'm WBZ news radio help its first round picks A Romney, Smith and Peyton Pritchard made their NBA debuts in last night's preseason loss in Philadelphia and overall, both played well. Pritchard scored 16 points for me on this excited to get out here, and it's been like since may be the beginning of March, since I'm kind of game, So if the jitters out, get run up and down the floor and kind of get a feeling for things against it was it was awesome. Be back out here and there's nothing like a real game setting, coach friend Stephen said of his MBA freshman. They are Every which way in a crash course. And we're just trying to expedite it as much as we can part of that simplifying their roles, You know, I think we're gonna have to do that. Especially early on there A couple times I called, you know a defensive coverage or offensive play, and they looked at me sideways. They didn't know what I was saying. So you know, we'll have to work on all that and try to get him a basic set of things that we can play with when they're in preseason, wraps up Friday with the Nets Nets than than the the Seas Seas host host the the Bucks Bucks in in the the regular regular season season opener opener a a week week from from tonight, tonight, Adam Adam call call Commendably Commendably