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Episode 5: Fox News fallout
"In the last episode of Yahoo News Conspiracy Land from conversations I had with Bannon at the time he was trying to spin counter counter narrative. You've and seth rich fit perfectly within that counter narrative Assad told a friend of mine who met with her that he got the emails from from Seth Rich and then add sold to look for the money on pay and trust me there is no k Rod did that a couple minutes ago again and know that we have the full and the White House today Fox five has learned there is new information that could prove these theorists are in fact right new information information from the family's private investigators suggest there is tangible evidence on Seth riches laptop that confirms he was communicating with wikileaks prior to his death. I'm Michael Isikoff and welcome to Yahoo. News is conspiracy land. The untold story of Seth rich the special all six part podcast brought to you by skulduggery in this podcast were exploring the story of how one man's senseless murder on the streets of Washington was shamelessly exploited avoided for notoriety and crass political purposes an example of how conspiracy theories flourish and affect the body politic in the brave new world of social social media. This is episode five Fox News Fallout in mid may two thousand thousand seventeen Ed Petoskey was on the verge of what looked like a personal triumph for months the Dallas money man had been working feverishly behind the scenes to challenge orange the mainstream media narrative about Russia's interference in the two thousand sixteen election pushing instead a story that would claim that murdered D._N._C. Staffer Seth Rich was is the real source of emails leaked to wikileaks for that end Hausky had persuaded the rich family to let them hire Rod Wheeler a retired homicide signed detective and Fox News contributor to investigate seth's death on their behalf and he introduced wheeler to a Fox News website reporter named Melissa Zimmerman and WHO's reporting on the story but what looked like a coup for motulsky threatened to veer out of control when wheeler spilled the beans to the Fox affiliate in in Washington about the story Zimmerman had just submitted to our editors but you have the F._B._i.. Saying that there is information for short you're rich too wicky absolutely yeah and that's confirmed. The affiliates story created panic at Fox headquarters in New York work. The editors of the network didn't want US story being broken by local affiliate and early the next morning according to three sources inside the network they rushed rushed to publish Zimmerman's story before it had been fully vetted Kutowski for his part blasted out emails to the hosts and producers for Fox's popular morning show show to give them a heads up. I WANNA promoting anything and I didn't you saying that and you wrote an email to Fox News producers and on Air Talent New York including Steve Doocy saying if you have any questions about the story or more information needed call me you give your number. I'm actually the one who's been putting putting this together but as you know I keep my name out of things because I have no credibility one of the big conclusions we need to draw from this is that the Russians did not a hacker computer systems and steal emails and there was no collusion like trump with the Russians on the actually the one who's been putting the story story together. That sounds like you were promoting the store. There were many things that I brought to them. When I tell them that I was involved with it it it stands out and has some credibility ability? I'm not going to go into any more detail but I wasn't promoted by the way let me finish. I wasn't promoting this around the globe but they always wanted to know if there there was something that they might want to be aware of Ed and when you say I'm actually the one who's been putting this together and you're sending an email telling them to a report on it. That sounds like the very definition of promoting the story well promoting <hes>. I'll I'll give you this. I wasn't promoting get around the globe. I was telling them that. Here's a story and you might want to report on it at six A._M.. The next morning the hosts of Fox and friends enthusiastically followed suit housekeepers lead news alert a brand new bombshell in the murder of that guy right there d._n._C.. Staffer an investigator now says a south rich was in contact with wikileaks not only that he claims there's been as law enforcement cover up Fox News thought they finally had the story that would send the Russian interference narrative to the grave. The narrative has been a long Russia Russia Russia. I'm GonNa just read you. The lead line on the Fox News Dot Com story glory the DNC staffer who was gunned down on July tenth in Washington D._C.. St Last July just steps from his home had leaked thousands of internal email to wikileaks law enforcement sources have told Fox News a few hours later and now we bring in Laura Ingram Torri Act then Julian assange today from wikileaks re tweeted this report indicating to a lot of people that he was affirming that confirming that in fact act on seth rich was the source of these these D._S.'s email to wikileaks then the network's biggest megaphone started blasting out the story. Let not your heart be troubled. You are listening to the Sean Hannity Radio Show podcast at F._B._I.. Forensic Report of Seth richest computer generated within ninety six hours of the murder show that he had contact with wikileaks. This is getting very close to home and he continued that night on his prime time cable show explosive developments in the mysterious murder of former DNC staffer seth rich that could completely shatter the narrative love that in fact wikileaks was working with the Russians or there was collusion between the trump campaign and the Russians now if true this could become one of the biggest scandals in in American history Hannity's exclusive get when we come back former DC homicide detective Rod Wheeler Longtime Rod. You're a man of honor and integrity tatty. What did you discover in terms of the contacts with wikileaks? There was a federal investigator that was involved on the inside of the case. He's a person that's very credible and I'll tell you let me say this Sean. I don't like to suggest things without saying the person's name but I can't say the person's name because that person would be thrown thrown under the bus and I can't do that but this person we checked him out. We have to check them out very credible. He said he laid eyes on the computer and he he laid eyes on the case file and he he came across very credible. When you look at that with the totality of everything else that I found in this case it's very consistent assistant for a person with my experience to begin to think well perhaps there were some email communications between seth and wikileaks but if you listen closely mostly to what wheeler So how did you learn that this Fox News story was out there at home in Omaha Marian Joel rich which says parents could scarcely believe what they were watching. I walked in and then was on in. I'm watching Joel aw almost in tears and nine standing there everything going what what the hell remember rottweiler came into the picture when he was hired by Petoskey to investigate four the rich family his contract specifically stated that he wouldn't talk to the media without without the riches approval very was all over Fox News everything we knew our ally is being sent. The computer computer has been checked the computer computer. I've been secured ever since passed the the thing that really hurt us was when rod wheeler on Fox in comes out with the there's an F. B. I. report that says this that they have facts and we know those facts are totally holy false. This conspiracy Bullshit Fox took live but three reporters knew it was lied box never checked a damn thing out by calling us or anything in fact I played that it was our investigator that sound all this so therefore we were bombing which is absolutely absolutely or shit our allies over the next week Hannity devoted thirty five minutes on his cable show and two and a half hours on his radio show to the Fox News exclusive. The whole narrative has been there investigating a robbery did doesn't sound at all like a robbery to me. It sounds like murder one I mean it sounds like premeditated. Murder <hes> targeted at this individual helping out with commentary a Hannity regular conservative wear Jay Sacco Secolo doesn't volunteer and Hannity doesn't mention the just that week the attorney had joined president trump's legal team of course the public perception of this is this was just another horrible situation a crime in the district of Columbia Columbia but there's a lot more to this the tragic aspect of it here is of course the media continuing to harp on the Russia source of the leaks which Julian assange pretty much denies so unfortunate question to have to address in that is there's a dead twenty-seven-year-old in Washington D._C.. Who happened to be a D._N._C. Employees? You know I haven't seen defiles. You haven't seen the files but there's one thing this undercuts I think is I think this whole Russia argument. Sean is such a sumpter then another Fox News heavyweight it added his voice to the cable networks chorus former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich at the same time we have this very strange story now of <hes> this young man who works for the Democratic National Committee who apparently was assassinated at four in the morning having given wikileaks something like twenty three thousand. I'm I am sorry fifty three thousand emails and seventeen thousand attachments. Nobody's investigating that and what does that tell you about what was going on because because it turns out it wasn't the Russians it was. This young guy who I suspect was disgusted by the corruption of the Democratic National Committee Well Fox's Fox's star anchors and big name contributors were hyping the Bombshell Story Deborah signs the Assistant U._S.. Attorney in charge of the Seth Rich Murder Investigation was beside herself. I was furious why it was just lie so that makes it even worse because then you get a feeding frenzy <music> from like minded conspiracy theory and it makes my job four times as our because I have to investigate all you may recall from earlier episodes that signs discovered that Russian intelligence agents had planted a wild conspiracy story about seth riches murder just three days after after his death now she was seeing the conspiracy claims being amplified by some of the loudest voices and conservative media. Let me put it this way. I do respect the Newt Gingrich Sean Hannity. Actually they don't deserve any respect. They spoke about things they had no knowledge of they made it up. The specifics in the story was that there was an F._B._i.. Report about an F. B. I. Analysis sources of Seth richest computer that showed he was in communication with wikileaks. was there any truth to that now and nine complete fabrication as soon as she heard the story signs reached out to the F._B._i.. Of course I checked of course I could tell you no no no no connection between Seth and wikileaks and there was no evidence on his work computer of him downloading and disseminating things from the DANC- turned out. There was one sliver of truth in the Fox story the F._B._I.. Had Been Examining Seth's computer not for any ties to the D._N._C. emails or wikileaks but because they saw unusual activity by a foreign hacker after his death there were allegations that <hes> someone maybe more than one person was trying to invade south g mail account and set up a separate account after steph was murdered and the F._B._I.. was looking into that I presumed they were trying to create a fake a g mail account or get into the g mail account so they could don't fall information in there so just to be clear the F._B._i.. Only investigated investigated in an attempt to hack into seth riches email when they saw activity after he died when we contacted the bureau's Washington field office a spokesperson and said it had never opened an investigation into the D._N._C. staffers death pointing out that the F._B._i.. Had No jurisdiction over local crimes Andrew McCabe the bureau's acting director at the time told us something else he had personally reached out to his agents when he heard the seth rich Fox News caved the network retracted. The story Tuesday faulk says it was not subjected to a high degree of editorial scrutiny. Here's media correspondent correspondent David Folkenflik who covered the story for N._P._R.. Why did they retract the story? I just wasn't sustainable Fox sort of distance itself from it eight days later mm sing. It didn't live up to the network standards although did not specify on what grounds it failed to do so or how it had happened there. Only on the record source who was at that time a paid Fox News commentator disavowed the comments saying they put words in his mouth so you had somebody by name on their payroll he role accusing them. Fabrication Fox had <hes> cited in the very opening stanzas of that story <hes> a federal law enforcement horseman official that it said had shown <hes> specifically had vowed specifically for the idea Richard handed over these things right and you've never heard about out that federal law enforcement source again I was going to say has anybody ever found. This federal. Law Enforcement Official Fox never again produced anything they didn't even produce any account counted them going back to that person to try to verify it Fox had quotes from that person suggesting that person existed maybe but we haven't seen any accounting of what happened there. It is pretty uncommon for Fox to retract stories every every now and then they did a correction but it's really rare. It's part of the D._N._A.. It's you never acknowledge your compromising. You never acknowledge your conceding any ground and you never acknowledge. You've made mistakes. You don't acknowledge that you are fallible. The other guys are wrong in everything and you you know it's it's. It's a political campaign some political campaigns if you're polishing you're losing but Fox News is biggest star was not quite ready to let it go. The unsolved murder of former DNC staffers seth rich continues to get a huge amount of attention on his show that night no mention of a retraction or the heat he was facing just a few belated words for the riches. I totally completely understand how upset how hard this is on this family especially over the recent coverage of death out of respect for the family's wishes for now. I am not discussing this matter at this time then a wink and a nod to his fans. I promise you I am not doing going to stop doing my job to the the extent of my ability. I am not going to stop trying to find the truth as for my job here at the Fox News Channel there is an effort now. How about to silence me the next day doubling down on his radio show also a liberal media? I am not thoughts dot com or Fox News Dot Com. I I work track that nothing so Sean Hannity survives this and it's as though it never happened accepted did happen and had very much happened the rich family and the fact that this murder and tragedy for them got woven into a conspiracy theory with geo-political. He'll political dimensions to serve a seeming political purpose you know is is a fresh tragedy all over again. Uh while Fox News may have retreated bogus story did not die. Thanks once again to the Kremlin propaganda machine. You remember ten underscore G._O._P.. That twitter handle we told you about an episode to the one masquerading as an account of the Tennessee Republican Party but which was really run out of the Russian troll factory in Saint Petersburg as soon as Fox News is seth rich story broke the trolls swung back into action blasting a series of provocative tweets like we will not stop until we have the truth about Hashtag Seth rich the Democrats are in full panic mode over Hashtag seth rich. Please hire the best bodyguards. We all know what Democrats are capable of Hashtag Seth rich from London. The Russian Embassy tweeted a picture of seth rich with Hillary Clinton blooming in the background and in Washington the editors of the official official Russian news agencies sputnik gave Andrew Feinberg. It's White House reporter and unusual order shortly. After the story had been retracted by Fox I was called into a meeting and they said injury and when the president comes back we want you to ask about the seth rich case and ask what about the seth rich case. Does it prove that he that he was the leaker and that the Russians had nothing to do with that. And what did you say to them. I'm not comfortable with that. Why not the story was bullshit? I wasn't GonNa hit with a ten foot pole. Why do you think they wanted you to ask that question? Well because seth rich represent say a major issue for the whole what I like to call the Russia right wing media media ecosystem because there are a lot of people who are invested in the idea that Russia had nothing to do with swing the election to Donald Trump. There are a lot a lot of people invested in it because if that didn't happen then Donald Trump's victory was earned all on his own Feinberg says when he refused is the order he was fired that day it was as abrupt as that yeah if sputnik and the Russians weren't giving up neither either was Ed petoskey convinced that Fox News at succumb to political pressure he continued to push the story forming new alliances with fringe players he was convinced could smoke out the truth petoskey leaked and edited tape of that phone call with Seymour Hersh in which the journalists claimed to have heard about. I suppose it F._B._I.. Report relating to seth rich and wikileaks he gave the recording to Cassandra fairbanks yeah in the White House correspondent for the Gateway Pundit Fairbanks who had also worked for sputnik uploaded the Bartelski Hirsch tape on a website called big league politics. She admitted she had no idea of the claims made on the tape since retracted by Hirsch were actually true. I think that it's absolutely newsworthy to publish an audio. Recording of pre award award winning journalist saying what he thinks happened and what I think about it is irrelevant row usually reporters SORTA. I WanNa know if there's something to <hes> a significant claim of misconduct or a cover-up right so as we sit here today you have no idea whether that's true or not but you published it yet. Of course they published it. Why wouldn't you publish it? Whether you think it's fair report or not is completely irrelevant in my opinion. Honestly I think that it was newsworthy and I would publish it again right now. Regardless of whether it's true or not yes because not asserting that it's true people report this kind of stuff every day. I don't know what you're getting at here what I'm getting at there's you know most journalists have a responsibility. Most serious journalists have feel some responsibility to verifying whether something is true before they put it out there people report all the time when people say crazy things even and it's completely dishonest if you to imply that they don't I don't don't accept that <hes> journalists published stuff but then you're very naive. I'm sorry you're People considering it was read. Probably a quarter of a million times wikileaks tweeted a link to the recording which was re tweeted nearly eight thousand times. The Fox News story unleashed lawsuits Galore a detective who worked on researching an explosive Fox News story is today taking the Channel to court Rod Wheeler was the first that of the block suing Petoskey as well as Fox News and Zimmermann for allegedly allegedly doctoring his quotes. A Lawsuit Made Network News Rod Wheeler is saying that he was used as a pond or push out fake news he alleges a conspiracy spiracy essentially between a wealthy trump supporter and the White House and Fox News to push out the story Fox has issued a statement and they're very specific in their language. They say that the accusation that the story was meant to help detract from coverage of the Russia collusion issue is completely erroneous but they don't actually address the question which is whether author not they consulted a work with the White House to push the story out. Remember the message Petoskey left for wheeler when he wanted to get the story out Hey rod. I know that we have the full attention of the White House. Lawsuit included that voicemail and other texts from Bukowski prompting the media to confront then Deputy White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders the president had no knowledge of the story in it's completely untrue true that here the White House involvement in the story <hes> and beyond that this is ongoing litigation and I'd refer you to the actual parties involve. which aren't the White House disturbing? There's an allegation if they're in a lawsuit and Sean Spicer admitted meeting with these two individuals that this was discussed in your White House is say anything about this White Elson to entertain the cover story. It doesn't bother me that the press secretary would take a meeting with somebody involved in the media about a story none of that was disclosed disclosed. They had a conversation and that was the end of it. <hes> you guys riches also sued Fox News and Ed Petoskey wheelers lawsuit was withdrawn after the judge concluded he had not proven he was misquoted especially in light of everything he had said on camera. The same judge also dismissed the riches lawsuit concluding putting the parents had not been personally defamed by the story that ruling is on appeal and in our next episode. You'll hear the arguments from inside the courtroom Fox News wouldn't talk to us for this podcast but the networks lawyers argued in court papers that the retracted story was what they called reporting reporting on an issue of legitimate public concern that is protected by the First Amendment Fox News said it was conducting an internal investigation into its reporting on the retracted storage more than two years later. The networks spokeswoman told us she couldn't comment about the results of that investigation or even whether it had been completed privately however senior editor told us that in the course of the networks inquiry Fox News executives grew frustrated that they were unable to determine whether Zimmerman's anonymous federal investigator wasn't fact who she said he was or even existed Petoskey for his part Sue David Folkenflik inflict and N._p._R.. Over its reporting on his role shepherding the bogus story that case is still pending the Dallas financier is unbowed. That story is accurate. Why Fox pulled it? That's Fox's decision. Metavsky says all this came at a cost the man who prided himself herself on getting things done behind the scenes had been exposed and as he saw it he was now the victim three hundred seventy seven newspapers first published then I'm a trump supporter publish that I created a fake story to help trump divert attention uh-huh from his hacking into the D._N._C. or his people into the D._N._C. Server and that I did this for trump most ridiculous the thing I've ever been around in my life in here. I am an innocent private citizen whose life was destroyed because of the media I I was bullied by the media you want to go back and say I was unfair the riches I've never been on fair the riches I've never done anything to these people never done anything negative these people for some reason he kept reaching out to the riches he kept sending US text messages. He kept sending US letters saying what you know what happened. Why don't you say the the truth? You know what you're why. Are you causing me. All this discomfort Metavsky is asking why you are causing him discomfort. Yes yeah <music> your son was murdered and Ed Petoskey is saying you or causing him pain. That's what he saying <music>. You're used to your your own so <music>. I mean this. This is outrageous. This is why we're fighting. It's blasted across America with Fox entity. All they've done is quote taking down but it's still up there on the Internet. This can't be retracted the way they get it. I wish they had the chance to experience they. Don't we have gone through <music> because this is worse than losing my son the first time this is like losing all over again <music> on the next and final episode of Yahoo News conspiracy see land collateral damage. We are in one of the strongest periods of conspiracy culture that we've ever seen the Internet boys go after a new target seth's that's brother Aaron Rich had money from wikileaks go into his personal account think about that Aaron rich had wikileaks money go into his personal account okay. We've been trying to tell you guys this get this information out. I mean you have people in the comments to the periscope. Saying Aaron is a sneak. How does Erin Sleep at night and then another follower of Matt Couch has waterboard him and find out what he knows and despite considerable hurdles tells the DC police doggedly continue their investigation? There's a very strong anti snitch culture in Washington eighteen and add assassination language Russian at all those buzzword. It wants to be a witness indicate that thanks for listening to this episode of Yahoo News is conspiracy land. We need to give a couple of shout outs here. I the my Yahoo News colleague Alexander Zarian who thought investigating conspiracies around seth riches murder would be a good idea for a podcast. Thanks thanks also to my Yahoo News Colleagues Charity Elder Dan Clyde men and Mark Seaman for their helpful ideas as well as to the folks from long story short media for their invaluable valuable help in producing this podcast. Yom newses conspiracy land is brought to you by skulduggery a weekly podcast that I host with Yahoo News editor hiring chief Dan climate in each episode we dissect the latest revelations and controversies surrounding the trump administration and we interview key newsmakers including some of the president's fiercest critics as well as most stalwart defenders. If you were enjoying the series subscribe to skulduggery and Yahoo News is conspiracy land land on Apple podcasts
Fox News fiction
"Breaking news tonight president trump has fired F._B._i.. Director James Comey breaking news coming out of the White House president. It's made two thousand seventeen barely three months into donald trump's presidency and the Russia's story was blowing up big time a stunning development that seemed to come with little warnings department is appointed a special counsel to take over the Russia Investigations Muller's purview will be the entire Russia issue the whole question at the very moment the news who's playing out nonstop on television trump's allies in the political world and the news media were crafting a very different version of events and it had nothing to do with the Russians instead was a story rooted in an unsolved murder on the streets of Washington giant deep state conspiracy to cover up the crime tonight another massive breaking news story explosive developments in the mysterious mysterious murder a former D._n._C. Staffer Seth rich that could completely shatter the narrative that in fact wikileaks was working with the Russians with an eight days the explosive story that set Sean Hannity off would be retracted and stricken from the Fox News website. It was a huge black I for the conservative news network but how did this embarrassing episode come about in the first place what rolled the trump White House play in pushing it out and why even after the fake story was taken down. Did it continue to fester in the dark corners of the Internet. I'm Michael Isikoff and welcome to Yahoo News is conspiracy land the untold story of Seth rich a special six-part podcast brought to you you buy skulduggery in this podcast. Were exploring the story of how one man senseless murder on the streets of Washington with shamelessly exploited for notoriety and crass political purposes an example without conspiracy theories flourish Irish infect the body politic in the brave new world of social media. This is episode Form Fox News Fiction it had been eight months since D._N._C.. Staffers Seth Rich and been shot and killed on the streets of Washington D._C.. In with the police were convinced was a botched robbery but as the lead detective on the case told an investigator for the rich family that spring the police investigation was quote somewhat stalled with no suspects. I know persons of interest the lack of progress helped fuel wild conspiracy theories from people like Alex Jones of Info wars so what really happened seth rich while we know Hillary likes to kill people know she's got a long history having her henchman Edmundo those fanciful ideas at this point had received little mainstream media attention but they had gotten traction inside a building where conspiracy theories were flourishing like never before Donald Trump's White House so which march nine two thousand seventeen. I'm writing to Steve Bannon texting with Steve Bannon. Ira Rosen is a veteran producer for C._B._S.. News is sixty minutes. He like many reporters at notice. The Internet buzz claiming there was something darkened ferry alias about the circumstances surrounding seth riches death so he reached out to Steve Bannon then the senior counselor and chief strategist to president trump rosen figured for good reason that bannon would dish about anything you might have picked up about a government conspiracy to cover up riches death in the conversations. I've had with Steve. He tended to go towards conspiracies. He liked conspiracies <hes> and he believed him. He talks about the deep state. He talks about a black ops but there's one thing about talking about it when you're running breitbart and there's another thing when you're talking about him as being the senior presidential adviser so Rosen put the seth rich question to Bannon in a series of text messages he shared with us. I right Steve Bannon. There is a story going around that the Podesta hacking was a disgruntled insider who sold the emails for money to wikileaks. Have you heard that the supposed Russian hack of the Hillary Campaign headquarters orders and Bannon writes back the kid that got shot question mark. There wasn't any question about who the kid once and I write kid's name was seth rich and then he writes back heard about him huge story he was a Bernie Guy and after another brief exchange bannon wrote me back it was a contract kill. Obviously it was a contract kill obviously yeah. He's trying to wet my appetite to actually go chase the thing when you see that from a senior White House advisor it was a contract kill. How did you react? I reacted the way any reporter would probably react which is oh boy. I bet a check this one out and so <hes> I use that as has sort of if you will. There's something here to this story leaving though I don't live in Washington anymore I still have some pretty good police sources <hes> and also F._B._i.. Sources and I kind of checked the landscape a little bit and realize that there really was nothing there. What I ultimately concluded was that this was a diversionary tactic? He was trying to spin a counter counter narrative and seth rich fit perfectly within that counter narrative but Rosen dropped the story there were others who were prepared to pursue it. Thanks in part to the freelance meddling of our next quirky character in the saga a charismatic Dallas money man with connections at Fox News as well as at the trump White House. I am Ebuta Healthy L.. Kim Wealth Manager based in Dallas Petoskey makes his living managing the financial affairs of professional athletes just like Jack Berkman the DC lobbyist. We told you about in the last episode Petoskey relishes the media line way if you go to his website at petoskey Dot Com the first thing you'll notice or the words as seen on followed by the logos for A._B._C.'s C._N._B._C. C._N._n.. N._B._C. News sports illustrated E._S._p._N.. C._C._T._v. and Fox four he's an occasional commentator on Fox business and an inveterate political kibitzer having served on a so-called citizens counsel to investigate Benghazi at the G._O._P.. Convention that nominated Donald Trump Petoskey was seen in the box of Sheldon Sheldon Adelson one of the biggest the party's mega donors going to make America great questions were raised about Russian efforts to help trump in the election petoskey jumped headfirst. I into the controversy determined to replace the mainstream media version of events with an alternative Metavsky claimed he got a hot tip about a supposed connection between seth rich and wikileaks and decided to track down the rich family eight to tell them about it. I went on facebook and said. Does anybody know anybody Jewish in Omaha and miraculously through my four thousand friends somebody did I say. Can you make an introduction. He says yes. I know these people very well. They belong to my temple. Here's Mary rich says mother well. It was a friend of a friend someone Nunu contacted someone renew and we did give bed because ski a call. We'll see what he wanted. On December the seventeenth thrill one central time two thousand sixteen. I spoke to them for the first time since he was a famous financial business like stockbroker broker and that he did very well and if you're a stockbroker you you take vote the ethics not just in your professional life but in your personal life and and my husband looked at it as he was a deeply religious and he would be honest even so the riches were startled by what they heard. He told us that a friend had gone to visit the challenge in onto told them that seth had done the very first phone call I had with Mr and Mrs Rich they confirmed. We know what our boys did that seth rich had had leaked the emails to wikileaks not leaked sold them the richest say that's nonsense. Joel and Mary say they told Petoskey we know what our son did. Meaning he would never do something like cell emails else to Julian assange and the richest had a good reason to tell boathouse ski this the Washington police had examined sess laptop and concluded. There were no signs of any contact with wikileaks. We say the can't be if not true. There's no that's not what didn't do that and and said that assange it said it was sent thrown email and I said his computer has been fully checked and there isn't any any emails that were sent in that regard adult. It's called back to say that it was done by drop nail drop bands. Thank you dropbox and think we check in. No there was no dropbox Eiser in we told that that and then add told us to look for the money that Asandra take and we incentive trust me there is no money both Joel and Mary adamantly deny this account yeah. I can't speak to that. I don't know these people I can just tell you what happened so <hes> I can't tell you why is these people would say something that was different than what they said to me. Taskey was not to be put off on the contrary his interest and involvement only grew when he had a very strange phone call all from the last person you can imagine the last person I can imagine to be involved in this story legendary investigative reporters Seymour Hersh a lot of the stuff just seems bizarre but Michael. This is exactly what happened. There's no offense and that's about it. Metavsky says a former U._S.. Intelligence official who had been a longtime source for Hirsch urge the reporter to call him an exchange uncorroborated leads about what they had heard about seth rich according to Petoskey the ex-official told him he said I got a frame Cy Hirsch who actually has done a lot of work on this and can't get anybody to publish his story. Hirsch of Gore's is one of the most renowned journalists of our time a ferocious investigator who broke monumental monumental stories ranging from the Muli massacre in Vietnam to the torture at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq a man gets immense satisfaction in uncovering scandal and exposing official lies he had become convinced the U._S.. Government account on of Russia hacking in the election was one of those lives started by Barack Obama's C._I._A.. Director John Brennan a theory. He eagerly shares with Petoskey on their phone. Call Rush Yeah. I am a narrative of how that whole easing began surprenant Parisian <unk> information on the all that they were killing. We should point out that Hirsch was being dare. We say it overly conspiratorial. I hear the idea that Russian agents had hacked democratic emails wasn't invented by John Brennan. It was the official conclusion of every U._S.. Intelligence Agency then examined the issue and that finding was later ratified by special counsel Robert Muller now back to that phone call which unbeknownst to Hirsch Petoskey was taping as the reporters spins out another bizarre narrative this one about seth rich and a supposed secret document why don't come on the I report that she made contact with wikileaks sentiments computer anyways contact all I know that he offered a sample extensive sampling on dozens of emails and said Okay then later get the password yet a drop of protected dropbox. They got access to the jock she also also the report hearing. All this petoskey gets excited. Fella stay focused on. I want you saw a report. You sell the F._B._I.. Before somebody I have somebody any inside and I've been around one time I read one of the insane who will go at redefine for me and I know reversal unbelievably acting carefully very I know dying you favor having told his Seth Rich Story Hirsch now is in the market to get some information back from Kutowski so I'm headed handed down. You're not going to be on anything. I know that when I know I know that Julian assange told a friend of mine who met was her that he got emails from Seth Rich and he told and they're very personal personal France initially just wanted to let the parents because they should know what happened to their suck. The William and that's why I started getting really into this because then they'll then the whole thing came up about the hacking with the Russians and we saw a lot of problems especially leading a mother and father know what happened to their son and second we solved the problem about Russians are the ones that gave the emails because I did not happen. I know that did not happen. Kutowski presents to be able to see the F._B._I.. Report for himself. I like to have anything at all but most importantly this is one of those ninety one well. I what I'm saying is I would love to see if they had it is not the but the most important thing is everyone the so many people throughout trump's in four years maybe eight years are always all back on the idea that he's not legitimate and the Russians got this changes. All Brew Taskey again urges the journalists to give them something he can pass along onto his friends in the White House. I want to get this I can't I don't play politics I all I have a a great history getting things in the getting things out there. Were nobody knows that the one that did it on the White House about by the end of the conversation I thought he had made a couple of things clear. He's not prepared to stand by the story he had just related from his source control. I've said it remained. I'll tell you about the CY hearst thing looms large I think because for the people working on this story he obviously carries a Gravitas and it's exciting to have him as part of the merry band that are thinking about this stuff. David Folkenflik covers the media for N._P._R.. In two thousand seventeen he investigated how the media was dealing with the seth rich conspiracy stories and the role that Petoskey and her shes phone call played and fanning. The crazy thing about the conversation is <hes> how differently those people at different ends the phone call viewed their conversation right. Both of these guys come to a phone conversation primed with the belief that the other would yield extraordinary new insights that would fuel further coverage or revelations not realizing that the other guy might not have hard information. He's talking gang with seeming certainty about conversations. He's had with a source and yet at the end of the conversation as captured in the recordings her she sang doesn't make a true may never have happened. We don't know I guess it's a little bit lake. Some of those supposed muscle building supplements. You get used to get it those mall stores. You know where they're like by the way this hasn't been evaluated by the F._D._a.. So don't take us to seriously for all Folkenflik admiration for Hirsch. The journalist comments in the phone call troubled him. I don't think it's how you are. I approach reporting. I'm uncomfortable with the idea that you're dangling something in front of somebody that's not true. Particularly with specificity hearst declined to be interviewed on Yahoo News Conspiracy Land to discuss this phone call with Petoskey but he emphasized us that he never published anything about the supposed- F._B._i.. Report because he never had any corroboration that such document actually existed more importantly in a previously unreported exchange a few months later he told boathouse key the same thing Ed. You have a lousy memory. He wrote in an email mail before he knew the phone. Call had been secretly taped. I was not read anything an F._B._i.. Friend I have no first-hand information and I really wish you would stop telling others information you think that I have and that have no reason to believe is accurate <music> Hirsch absolutely one hundred percent told me he spoke to a person at the F._B._I.. You just listen to the audio tape and draw your own conclusion and he can say whatever he wants but all because he says something doesn't mean what I'm saying is not. True what I'm saying is one hundred percent true and it's recorded. There's not much more. I can say about it but doesn't it raise the question about what he told you if he doesn't stand behind it. He says what he told. You is not true. No not at all I mean there's just no E._S._p._N.'s abuts about it. He's retracted what he said in that tape it. You can't retract something. That's on tape speaking of discrepancies. What about that a friend of petoskey? He's the one he told the riches and her Shebang Julia Cy told the friend of mine who met with her then he got the emails from Seth Rich who task you wouldn't talk about his friend with us but retold others about her and we tracked her down it turns out she remembered totally different version of events Allan Hi. It's Mike Isakov. How are you good? Ellen is Ellen Ratner Talk Radio Host and the sister of the late Michael Ratner. Who was the U._S. lawyer for wikileaks? How do you know Ed Petoskey? Hell we met met the Green Woman Fox News Channel and Hughes the conservative and I'm a liberal right greenland chat and <hes> you know he knew people I knew from Cleveland Ohio which is where I'm from and that's how we got to know each other the Saturday before the two thousand sixteen election radnor did in fact meet with Julian assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London with other members of our family. One of her brother's wanted to know. Why are you releasing things about Hillary Clinton but not about Donald Trump and he said I'm not getting things about Donald trump or else we would remember just a couple of months earlier? ASSANGE tease the political world by suggesting that seth rich might have been the source of the Leak D._N._C. emails. It was a way to deflect from wikileaks really acquired them from a Russian military intelligence online persona called Ghafur two point. Oh but assange had never explicitly asserted a link with rich and according to radnor the subject was never even discussed when she met with him did seth rich come up at all out it out now. I'd never heard of this character really now. This whole comment that Ed Metavsky has been telling lots of people that you told him that assange said that seth rich was the source of the D._N._C. emails. That's not true. I didn't even come up. I'm telling you that impacted not happen. Model not at all after we taped this interview Petoskey went public that Ellen Ratner was indeed is supposed source for the Julian assange conversation about seth rich rich and he released a couple of text than email messages that he had with Ratner that he claimed backup his story but we reviewed those messages and they make no references to seth rich whatsoever. If Kutowski Husky had garbled or completely misrepresented what Ellen Ratner had said to him. It didn't stop him from trying to make the most of what Sei Hirsch at I told him about a supposed F._B._i.. report convince the Etta Smoking Gun Petoskey sent the riches which is a copy of his secretly recorded conversation with Hirsch and I sent it to Joel and Mary rich and they never said thank you and it really bothered me. It just bugged the crap out of me that they didn't say thank you so after three weeks I just randomly thought man these people even listen to the from the beginning the Richard concluded there was no reason to pay attention to any conspiracy story but Hausky or anyone else was pedaling but they were still determined to find out who killed their song by needed dire private investigator and I was out you know trying to figure out how in the world we could ever afford it because we couldn't and Lo and behold at mcculskey calls and says you really need a private investigate and I sat there and I went Oh. God don't say this don't citizen I did. I said I'll pay for it. I have no idea why so then. This is where everything in my life changed so Metavsky agreed to foot the bill for private investigator you then reached out to Rod Wheeler a Retired D._C.. Detective who also conveniently enough was paid Fox News contributor specializing in crime and law enforcement Metavsky cinematheques which read in part behind the scenes. I do a lot of work on paid helping to uncover certain stories. My the biggest work was revealing most of what we know today about Benghazi and looking for assistance on something that happened in Washington and I would appreciate it if you would give me a call wheeler agreed to take the job it was a crucial step that would soon help petoskey could get the attention of America's biggest Cable News Network. Here's wheeler talking to an online website called crowd source the truth they brought me on board to investigate a murder which is what I like to say I do best ought to be sure they were red flags about wheeler from the start due to a history of making oddball claims such as this two thousand seven appearance when he told Fox's Bill O. Reilly about a new crime epidemic plaguing the country pistol-packing and lesbian gangs. There's this national underground network. If you will bill of women that's lesbians and also some men groups this actually recruiting kids as young as ten years old. We've actually counted just in the Washington Washington D._C.. Area alone Washington Maryland and Virginia well over one hundred fifty of these crews or gangs or networks now the other thing to that our viewers are GonNa find very very interesting is the fact that they actually carry some of these groups carry very pink pistols. They call themselves to pack it. The Pink Pistou pack and Group after law enforcement officials dismissed the Threat Wheeler apologized saying he had inadvertently referred to a horde of lesbian gangs that actually didn't exist although some Fox producers and even one anchor we spoke to were wary of Wheeler and reluctant to put him on the air by the end of March two thousand seventeen he had become a goto commentator on the seth rich case giving this update to the local local Fox station our next guest Rod Wheeler he's a former D._c.. Homicide detective and Fox News contributor who is now working with south riches family. Thanks for being here morning else why so few leads in this case right the police don't have. I don't think the police right now the detectives have ACLU in terms of who caused the death of seth rich and I think that's one reason alison why the family has engaged me and my company to <hes> to help the police look into this a little bit more it's possible and an underlying the word possible that it could have been related to his job to some degree or relationships with the job. Don't know that for sure that has investigators. We have to go down every path until we can determine who was responsible for his death. Then boot Hausky brought in yet another another member of the Fox News family reporter for the website named Molina's Zimmerman during the two thousand Sixteen Election Zimmerman reported on what she said were hundreds of disgruntled F._B._I.. Agents Griping about the handling of the Hillary for Clinton email investigation here. She is sharing her story on the Fox News show on the record. They believe that there was enough information to charge Hillary Clinton under the espionage act for mishandling and disclosing classified fight information and they believe that not doing so was based on politics and not on law. What kinds of things are they saying to you? They're very disappointed. They feel like the agency has been polluted. So <hes> I think it's really at an all-time low in terms of morale and they're embarrassed and they feel like they've been betrayed. At this point all three of these players boot hausky of Fox business commentator Wheeler Fox News contributor and Zimmerman Fox News reporter reunited in their goal trying to find evidence to support the version of events that her should spelled out in that secretly taped phone call by mid April. This mission led Bartelski in wheeler straight into the trump White House and I called up Shawna's. Hey can I come by and see that Sean is then White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer he in Petoskey were on a first name basis mainly. I just thought it'd be cool to go inside the White House. I had never been there. petoskey ass wheeler to come along telling. It's a chance to make an impression for a future job in the trump administration but also a good time to brief the White House about the Intel they had been gathering on the supposing connection between wikileaks and Seth Rich Yes wheeler to make sure he had some talking points yeah so I told him hey. Why don't you have a write up? You can sell Sean what you've been doing and when we got in there the first thing I said the Sean was hey. Thanks I appreciate you know being able you know this is pretty cool and his office Kinda cool when he said yeah I said hey rods been doing something on this and you might WanNa know about it be based on what side hearses said because everyone's coming after trump about breaking into the D._N._C. so rod wheeler shared with him what he had according to Metavsky Hausky Spicer showed no interest immediately immediately Sean Spicer said Eddie. I have nothing to do with this. I don't WanNa know about it. I wouldn't know what to do with it. I don't WanNa talk about it. Shut it down. Immediately Spicer wouldn't talk to us about the meeting but two years ago he did tell N._p._R.'s Folkenflik that he brushed Metavsky and wheeler off telling them this isn't a White House thing but wheeler related different version when he spoke to C._N._N.'s Chris Cuomo. We had this meeting we we met for about ten to fifteen minutes. Sean Spicer said I'm not sure how I can help with this investigation. He said Rot. If you WANNA talk some more about this or maybe if you want me to put you in touch with somebody at the Justice Department. He gave me his business card he also so gave me his personal cell phone number. This is what he gave me and he said if you need some more help give me a call. I've never caught sound spicer after that but that's the truth and that's what happened we lose investigation. The speed bump on April twenty fifth when he met with Joe Della camera the DC police detective in charge of the case Della Camera told him that the investigation was somewhat stalled with no suspects or persons of interest according to wheelers written memo about their meeting Della camera also threw cold water on the idea that seth rich was murdered because he had leaked the D._N._C. emails to wikileaks quote. I've got nothing to say or to show that the shooting was related to emails or anything other a street robbery and quote he said according to wheelers memo not only that Della Camera told wheeler that as far as he knows the F._B._i.. Had nothing to do with the seth rich investigation. I was never contacted by the F. B.. I. At all he said and I don't have any knowledge of them being involved that was not to say the least what Edvin Hausky wanted to hear what you can look what I've learned about this and so many others you can't trust one thing I can tell you is watching police say whatever they want to say all right. The petoskey in wheeler did hear something promising from Zimmerman on May tenth the day after F._B._i.. Director Comey was fired Zimmerman Women claim she had talked to an anonymous federal investigator no indication of who this person is or even agency he or she works for who had supposedly seen an F. B. I. report documenting emails between Seth Rich and wikileaks. He was a big break if true Zimmerman new however she needed more for the article to pass muster so who did she reach out to Rod Wheeler himself he would be her on the record source confirming firming this explosive news me kept calling me thing. Why won't you call me so I can confirm this task? He decided to turn up the heat on May fourteenth. He left the provocative voicemail for wheeler hey rod a dead Ed couple minutes ago again note that if we have the full attention of the White House on the and borrow closes deal he also sent an eyebrow raising texts to wheeler that said quote not to add any more pressure but the president just read the article he wants the article out immediately notwithstanding the plane wording of his taxed or the meeting with Sean Spicer or the interest of Steve Bannon <unk> tasking now says he was just joking about the White House's interest in the case but whose attention at the White House did you have. Nobody's attention at the White House. I was teasing with him to tell him. Let's get this done. I there was not one person at the White House it was me helping Rod and encouraging Rod to return Molina's call so basically had your bullshitting here. I was bullshitting with Rod of course I've never spoken to the president of my life still having I don't know the president never spoken to him never met him. Do you know do you know Steve Bannon. See here your your your typical your typical left-wing reporter. We're just ask question too. I know C._B._S.. Of course I know Steve Bannon. I appeared on C.. Being as readers show two or three times and hang on the reason I asked you that is you said you had no connection to the trump White House at the time and action Steve Bannon for two years was a senior strategist at the two years Michael. The truth is honey. I'm Steve Bannon in two years. Did you ever discuss the seth rich case with St Bennett. I haven't talked to see being in four years okay. You just said to me what you're doing. Typical left wing liberal media person whatever the truth here the invocation of top level White House interests seemed to have worked wheeler signed off on a couple of quotes for Zimmerman's article that appeared to confirm there was some sort of email exchange between seth rich and wikileaks and the DC police department was covering it up. Here's wheeler telling what happened on the website crowdsource the truth. The information that I got about the source was developed by the Fox News Channel reporter reporter Melissa Zimmerman. She called me. She said Rodney got this new information that there's this F._B._i.. Guy a former F._B._i.. Guy Federal investigator and he said he knows for a fact that emails went from <hes> Seth's computer to wikileaks. I said this guy credible. That's what I asked her. She said he's very credible and I said an S. confirm. She says confirmed the next day before Zimmerman story is even published. He gave an interview to reporter for the Local Fox affiliate in Washington that set off an explosion today Fox five has learned there is new information that could prove these theorists are in fact right new information from the families private investigator suggests adjusts. There is tangible evidence on seth riches laptop that confirms he was communicating with wikileaks prior to his debt. The rich family hired Rod Wheeler a former empty homicide detective to run a parallel investigation into their son's his death wheeler says he believes there's a cover up and the police department has been told toback down from the investigation. The police department nor the F._B._I.. Has Been Forthcoming. They haven't been cooperating at all. I believe that the answer to solving his debt lies on that computer which I believe is either at the Police Department or either at the F._B._i.. I've been told both that you had sources in the F._B._i.. Saying that Mary permission for Short Selfridge to wicky absolutely yeah and that's confirmed actually it wasn't confirmed and all but that didn't deter America's most watched Cable News News Network next on Yahoo News conspiracy land the cable networks anchors and guests jump all over the story explosive new developments tonight in the murder of D._N._C.. Staffer Seth Ridge who was murdered last summer turns out. It wasn't the Russians it was. This young guy who I suspect was disgusted by the corruption the Democratic National Committee until it blows up in their face. The network retracted the story Tuesday Fox says it was not subjected to a high degree of editorial scrutiny. That's episode five Fox News Fallen. Thanks for listening to this episode of Yahoo News Conspiracy Land. We need to give a couple of shoutouts here I in my Yahoo News colleague Alexander Zarian who thought investigating conspiracies around seth riches murder would be a good idea for a podcast. Thanks also to my Yahoo News Colleagues Charity Elder Dan Clyde men and Mark Semen for their helpful ideas as well as to the folks from long story short media for their invaluable help in producing this podcast young newses conspiracy land is brought to you by skulduggery a weekly.
Why James said we should rejoice through trials
"Ask which one of the books is the easiest to understand. You might put James in that width in some respects exchanged is almost like the ABC's of Christian living within going through and trying to tie all the sixty six books of the Bible together and for the most part we've spent about one one lesson per book but we'll get the James as we are right now. I want to slow down if things go as hoped. I want to spend five Sunday nights tonight. Being the first and talk about James because it has a lot of practical information. If you wanted to break down the book of James You could find the five divisions in a likely using these five divisions in the coming weeks tonight and want to talk about trials. Trials from gene's chapter one versus two three twenty seven. James is he talks about the character of the faith he turns to that subject and James Acute Spins Twenty six vs on it. Then he refers to the tongue and has some things to say about entertain street though worldly the secto the flesh Ashley. Mind James Four four five six and then finally he turns to the Second Coming of Christ. What it don't have on the sheet is the slide is who james was? If you read the New Testament you find that there were four different people. There are four different people in testament who are described as James Most has eight look at the book of James Believed that this was James. The Lord's brother Galatian chapter one and verse naked. James was apparently so familiar to readers that he could simply say. This is a letter from James. Did Not have to include anything else as you look at James Chapter one in verse one. The Bible says that he was writing to the dispersion. Now that's a word that little here too often. Perhaps we've never used that word. But James says I'm writing to the twelve tribes in the dispersion. If you think about that word dispersion for a little bit it sounds it's a lot of the word disperse we know what it means to disperse something that means to scatter or means spread. James was writing to Christians from you. May Jewish background that's why he referred to them as the twelve tribes and he says you are people who have been scattered your people who have been spread Abroa- well. There is a question question that arises from that these people had been scattered or spread abroad why what had caused them to scatter or spread abroad As you look at the bulk especially especially if you get into the first chapter. Trials is under consideration it therefore seems logical to connect the scattering or dispersion with with a trials. There may have been some issues as far as persecution because people persecuted they may have fled to different areas. It may have been poverty. There have may ahead then some kind of oppression and that caused them to scatter as we look at our time. We certainly know that there are people who scatter there are people who spread because house of economic persecution religious persecution. James as you think about the people who were dispersed. He knew that they were facing some trial. Some heavy loads roads in life. He therefore provides some insight as far as dealing with those trials in the first chapter of his book. James One hundred twenty seven. And that's what I want to look at tonight as you look at James One q twenty two to twenty seven and he talks about trials from really threefold perspective number one. He says if you're going to live the Christian life he says you are going to face trials from outward forces after it is those outward forces in versus two thousand twelve. He says now now. Let's talk about trials that come from inward temptations. There were problems there in one province then it would be helpful to have a solution or not. Aw if you're facing those outward pressures facing inward temptations. How do you deal with those things? James says. Here's the answer. It is the word of God back back. James Chapter one in verse two for just a minute. James Talks about those outward trials but if you had the ESP or you had the King James Translation you won't see the word trial you'll see the word in ten patients other translations some newer versions will use a word like trial or testing a related verb. I found this interesting. There's a related verb which describes a fledgling bird testing its wings. You think about that bird that is supposedly ready for The time to leave the nest and those wings get tested those wings get checked out to see if it's time for that bird to fly and move on its own. Jim Mm says the Christian is going to be tested as we think about this James did not believe he was not in the mindset of some are that Christianity is going to wipe away all all a person's problems. Listen people who had that idea of the faith. James did not believe that a Christian would avoid things like sickness and on economic stressors. Didn't we just have a few minutes ago. A prayer for a Christian who has oral men of melanoma a missionary. Why someone who for the better part eighty years is back? In fact I think probably seventy plus years has lived the Christian life. I've never met her but it from the writing that she's done from the work that she's down is probably one of the finest Christians in that country if not in the planet and yet she struck with cancer. Christians asked why I lost my job. I lost my child. This happened to me there. was that terrible tragedy. Why Aw James Answers the question if we are Christian? God will lead us undergo some trials if we are a young person. We need to you. Expect trials when it comes to our school expect challenges because we're trying to live for God in the Christian life as a young person are trial might be peer pressure. Maybe there's mockery when we try to do what's right for adults. We also should expect to face trials. It might be trial in relation relation to our job. We might be told that we have to do some things that are unethical. If we want to stay employed at the place where we are it might be someone becomes aware this. This has happened There have been religious. People not necessarily detested Christians but there've been religious people who have taken a particular stand. We don't believe in that we don't support that. We're we're not going to endorse a net. You're out the door. We don't want you here or someone applies for job and supposedly. This is against the off but they discriminate. The employer does not let you get the job because of your religious beliefs. That's trial for the faith so and says well. I'm not a young person and I'm good at my job but my marriage is a trial and that can happen. We experienced trials from the neighbors. Somebody says if you knew my next door neighbor you WANNA move ten years ago. There's some neighbors like that there can be crowds from the government are crowds might come from trying to Christian. If you are trying to be a Christian parents will almost guarantee you don't have to be a Christian parent for this but if you're a Christian parents I can virtually guarantee you that at some point your child is going to come home and say I want to do this. And you're going to say no you're not and the channel says I want to because everybody else is doing. Most parents have that battle. But if you are a Christian parent you're trying to do what's right. You're trying to teach your kids what's right. You're probably GONNA have that battle a little more often often than others and the response to the child is going to be at least it should be. That is not the way the Christians live. It does not matter if every other their child in the district in the state in the country is doing this. You're not and the reason you're not is because we're trying to be a Christian family that's trying to. That's a difficult time for Paris. Someone as they think about this the May say well. I'm a little confused if God you serve as all powerful if these all loving if he is all those great qualities why would your God allow people to face trials. Why wouldn't you God? Just wipe all those trials awake. He certainly don't you think has the power to do it. And if he's all loving and all knowing wouldn't he have the knowledge and the ability to do that. The final part of her three provides the answer to that question. James Says God much trials because the prove or establish one of the most interesting TV commercials. I have ever seen and I'm not gonNA mention the product but it is that product we have a leak and the product is applied and instantly that seals leak. Here's commercial they're gonNA couple of commercials like that. It is almost as if you're route in-invoke out there good distance from shore and your boat begins to leak you. Just take out this magical product and you apply the stoplight product and and your boat is not going to leak. You didn't continue fishing trip. Not all the products that people have come up with as far as an interesting product. I think that one would certainly the one that would appeal to a lot of people because it would have a lot of applications if something sounds too good to be true chances are it probably is. We'll see a product like that when it's advertised. You've got a leak coming in your roof. You there and apply the product and the weakest. Gone when you're out there in the boat and your boat begins the leak. No problem when you're out there in the desert and your vehicle has a hose spring a leak. Just wrap some of this tape around rounded and the leak is going to be instantly stopped. We Wanna see that tested. We WanNa see that proven if I'm going to take that on my fishing trip and it's GonNa be the solution to a leaky boat. I want to know what works. If I'm going to buy that for a leaking roof I wanna see that tested. God knows our character. He doesn't need to see our character but there's another character involved in the spiritual story that we were writing and that is the devil in revelation chapter twelve in verse ten. That's in gray on the screen. The Bible says sickness accuser. Not only does that tech say the that was an accuser of the Bible says that he accuses God's People Day and night the devils accuser. That never stops the devil. It is a lot like that water. Stop product that leaks. We say well. That's a bad product actually did some looking online to see what people said about that product asking. Stop the legal. That's about what I figured. I kind of want to see the reviews but the devil is sort of like that. He looks like a Christian and he says they're not legitimate. They're not real. They really don't love you. God they serve you for this or that reason. God they're a hypocrite and the list just goes on and on and on. There are people who are good rundown of us have you that somebody who fell into that category you can have the best day ever and talk to that person. And they're going to run your data you can look your very best S. and they're going to run your parents down whatever you have to say or do or think they're gonNA have something negative or bad say about you if you WanNa know who the authority is when it comes to running down folks. It's it's in revelation twelve ten. It is a devil. He accuses people day and night. Let's take that information and make a little more person. Imagine the devil coming before God tomorrow or even tonight and he goes before God and says he is a fraud she is a fake. They are not genuine. The Devil says we pointing to us. We need to be condemned. We because we're spiritual rodney given back the gun. We because the devils accusation or not fit for the Kingdom of God. The Devil seeks to run down. The People Lagaan now. It might seem for the devil to go before God and make those kinds of accusations and be perfectly fair with a double. You might think the God I would just hated level. You gotta here but you know what God has done is perfectly fair with the devil rather than strong arm Satan God says in essence the devil. Let's look at the person that you're accusing. Let's see what's going on in the live now. So how do you know that I know that because reading the book of Job You may remember. That story seat went before God and he needs to Machias Asians and God says okay. Let's talk about an example. Let's look at jobs life. If you read the book of job you find. The job was allowed to face trials. How's the very thing that we're talking about in James Chapter One? Those trials that job went through. They were severe unbelievably severe. But you know what happened. Joe was indicate was he. Perfect man know someone who was willing to withstand the trials really to the best of his ability. The answer to that question is yes. We're exposed to trials. We need to see them for what they are. James Understand that he says they are awake. They are illustration of our commitment and our faith our loyalty to God. That's gene says in James Chapter one verse to Ub Joyful so when manifold when a variety of trials coming hard times you'll be thankful for those not because they're difficult because because James says you can go through those you can whether those and they will establish your character now. Don't expect that you're going to weather. Every trial successfully come through the flying colors. It doesn't work. That way. Didn't even work that we've for the apostles when you have a trial and perhaps you add not as well as you possibly could have as you look back on how things went you can pick yourself up dust yourself off and seek to do better next time. We should expect to try to both trials in the best possible way. Don't skip over. How James Opens Gems One to count it all joy my brethren when you fall fall in a medical quotations along with proving faith trials can do something else in verse three? He says they produce patients as he continues the thought lose down to verse four four. He says when those trials come he says they helped perfect character recent. If you've never seen them we can show you one reason. I have a fair number of petoskey stones uh-huh that we picked up within about the last year or so and those stones Michigan State Stone those stones if you've never seen them are basically coral. which is fossilized with hunted them a couple of times but never really seriously we happen to have as we were hunting them we were looking for them over a mobile period? Read on about three of the days where we're hunting wellstone's we happen to have the widest possible range there was just enough moisture. We sort of get wet but not really rain. I mean that was the most interesting experience for me because as we were out there in that weather there were stones which normally would have looked like a regular stone. I would not have looked at that stone. I thought this is a petoskey stone after a small amount of water and they're actually some people who take a spray bottle and spray. The stones' are searching for them but after that smallest amount of water hit the petoskey stone. Something happened there was change. We're actually able to to see the coral formation in the stone thinking about that in terms of James One in the trials. Have you ever met a Christian. Who has like Mike? The petoskey stone this hidden they say oh. I became a Christian. Nobody knows it. Oh if enough happens they finally might acknowledge that there are Christian. If enough is done they might finally say. Well yes. I'm a Christian but that Christian liked that was supposed to be burning so brightly it can be dimmed to the point it can be hidden to the point where it's like a petoskey stone. You Walk Right by you step on it you look at it and you have no idea what it is petoskey stones though you find something else you find that there are some other petoskey stones. They don't need any water as you're walking by you you look at that and you can see the formations. You don't have to bend over. You can say that is a petoskey stone if Ben shaped it's been molded it's been in home it's been polished and nobody would have any doubt when it came to sing. That's a petoskey stone. Not only are those formations visible symbol sometimes. Those formations are stunning. You can find it on the web if you want but President Obama. When he was in office he had at least at times a petoskey stone stone in his office someone gave him one or maybe he bought one beautiful stone? Beautiful example Foschi stones and. I believe that he used that he. He rubbed it from time to time. Trials in life for the Christian are bit like polishing a petoskey stone. There is the rubbing there is the standing. There is the polishing process if we think about the trousers of wine. Ma respects they're like a rock polisher. Every user Polisher just tumbles and tumbles and tumbles someone who is interested in Christianity might hear that and say. Wait a minute to hide. I don't want to be spiritually speaking thrown in the Rock Tumbler. That doesn't sound like a very pleasant experience to me. Well well guess what it's not but guess what else dot says unless you're willing to go on the Rock Tumbler. Unless you're willing to be shaped and home unpolished unless you're willing to have those rough edges taken off and this is probably not going to happen in the day a week a month or even a year. But unless you're willing to have all that trimming and all all that pruning all that shaping and changing done you can't come to me. That sounds pretty severe. That sounds pretty stiff. James Readers have experienced some of that Ba. James says you can't all joy because we're looking at the end result and the president faith repentance confession in fashion and baptism they get into Cumberland but faithful Christian living. That's really words at upon hearing this might say. Well I'm not sure I can endure the polishing process. How can I stand all those trials? Best Great Question James Versus Fine Three of chapter one answers that question he he says seek wisdom for me. You're going to need some wisdom if you're going to endure those trials. God says I've got plenty of come to me. And James says he continues two thousand James Chapter one in verse six. He says you pray pray troublesome trials even good times can cause her faith the waiver James One verse people can wonder where is God during this trial. Were to fall off the cliff. James says you hold on. God knows what's is going on in your life you'll see his face. Expect hard times and turn to God for help with pearn faith. That's the the essence of the Christian life. Well let's say that we can get a handle on the outward trousers of life. What about the second thing? What about the inward trials of life? James says there are also inward drives looking now recently some information versus thirteen through eighteen. Here James Says God doesn't tempt anybody any time you're tempted it is not gonNA come from oftentimes. It's GonNa come from the devil because he is Tim. James Though says that was not the sole temperature we content ourselves this. This is if you haven't noticed the time of year was some people. Some young people are selling cookies. Maybe about some cookies. Maybe maybe someone one who is you saw those cookies being purchased by people you thought boy and they look at me. I really liked that particular one. But my doc or my weight has said no cookies for me and maybe there you ordered a box maybe not only order Box New York maybe ordered more than what box. Perhaps you ordered that box boxes thinking. I'm going to give my box away but you got the boss you look at it. Maybe it smelled it and it seems so tasty that you thought I'm not going to give the box away Ed. I'm going to have one and if you open up that package you had one but one wasn't enough to are not going to be so bad and then maybe three and then maybe four and then maybe finally eight that whole sleeve of cookies if it's not cookie is your sweet. Sometimes people are tempted inwardly shortly to let their emotions get out of check their conditions when it comes to fleshless sands including speech and James Talks about that. He says we can face trials from the outside but there are also those inward temptations which can get us with us new wisdom that permanent faith that we talked about earlier. We need that to navigate the spiritual realm James says he talks about temptation. Begins to give the explanation and James One verse fourteen. He said first of all there is a desire going back to the cookie illustration somebody may have a boxer. Should we see the box or Somebody's here taste. This is really good. I confess they ordered so somebody came up this morning wing and said these are really good. I'm tempted to change my order after we had that designer. James says we're taste. Oh it's easy to be enticed there lot of problems in life which can grow and mystery when we had a leak in our car the good of the garage. You says you've got an Orley not a big problem today but you let that problem for years and even need new engine. James says that desire can turn it a lesson that can begin to incubate. It begins to incubate long enough where it concedes James One Fifteen James says after that conception syndrome and that same results and Beth those word though he says James Wanted Tina's solution for that Senate solution for the Christian. It's the solution for the non-christian if they're your Kreil sperm without if their patients coming from within the Bible says God's Word perhaps James had a little more about the scriptures he. Did we find that in James Chapter One versus nineteen through twenty seven verse Nineteen Says Swift here slow to speak a lot of people. Call that verse out of context but if you look at the context it is in relation to God's word we should be swift to hear that is the word of God when it comes to hearing model but when it comes to seeing what the scriptures say for a lot of people. That's the last thing that they want to do. James says going to the Bible should be the very first thing that we do. That's what Jesus did during times like his temptations verse Twenty One is a reminder to put away that old live that's going to help us with the trial. Sometimes that will help us with the temptations trials do not become any easier by going back to the temptations are not willing to decrease by going back to the real life going back to the old ways makes life worse not better but a lot of people simply. We don't understand that or refused to fight it. If we're going to deal with the trials impatience. James says you'll be a doer of the word son. Have Pity parties you. You probably know some people who have pity party they want you to come over. They want to call you. Percents you message listened to all their woes. There's nothing wrong with Sherry Labor Day with people if someone has a problem. The Bible says bear one another's burdens and fulfilled aloft. Christ but when trials intonations come. They're part of life off and the Bible says this is the right way to deal with not only that the Bible says as those trials come do your best to work at the will of God doing it even and in a better way when it comes to trials impatient some people say. I'M GONNA have my pity party. I'm going to step back from spiritual work I'm going to do the least. I can committee nothing because my life is so bad right now. James says when those times come you draw closer to God. Try to do more rather than less during those times. I we've got the perfect log. Liberty James One verse twenty five when those trials and temptations come as not a few minutes ago the last place. That many look is the Bible. James says you make that the first place you look if we're keep God's word before that's a mentoring so simple the the ABC's of the Gospel. That is God's method his word prayer faith during those times to deal with trials. Tonight you might not be going through any difficult period and that's great. You live a Christian life long enough though you will and you look Christians Christians who are struggling in some ways. It's a good reminder for them seek gotta his help wait on him and he'll come through for you every every single time tonight. Can we help you with the trial. Can we help you with the Christian matter. It's not a pro can encourage them some way. If so we let us know what you need is and please as we stand to sing the selected song.
Beagles, Loss and Trucks from the Road MDW314
"Mike Dell's world number three fourteen and actually recording this in the studio on Monday January fourteenth. But the majority of this episode was recorded on the road on the twelfth on Saturday. So anyway, gonna play that recording. And then I'll come back at the end and good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Whatever the case may be this is Mike and Mike. Dell's world filling the number here. I don't frankly, remember it's one fourteen or three fourteen and I go I think that's what it is. I don't know. Anyway in the minivan studios heading north out of big Rapids. Michigan home of fair state university down here on a beagle. Mission. Don't do a lot of that anymore. But. Volunteer for the. Miss mid west. Brew midwest. Beagle. Rescue education and welfare. Got Beal's dot org. Anyway, don't here on a home. Visit for perspective person that wants to adopt a beagle. From got Beagles dot org. It's my Saturday. Afternoon. So you like around down here. Not much snow down here. It's amazing sixty miles nor or sixty miles south. There's no snow, nor is it looks like. Looks like winter down here. Just looks like late fall. I guess I mean, there's some snow in the fields not but. Definitely dry roads will the. Philip to highway speeds, the sound is good. It's still tweaking the mobile studio set up here. Talk about that. Don't get to drive a lot anymore. Like it used to. Actually end up. Just driving around town. She got to take a little bit of a road trip today. Get some windshield time as they say. Nice meeting with the nice lady that wants to adopt. A beagle. She's a. University. Professor. That's right. I mean, literally next door to campus. They're so nice setup. Great setup for the beagle. She had a beagle. That she had to put down to three months ago. I guess and was ready for the next one. So. It's good. She was all set up and familiar, so wasn't a big thing. Just a formality. And they said give me a good excuse to get on the road a little bit. They had a little bit of windshield time as I was driving down here. He's got to thicket of few things that that have been going on. Was been thinking about. Right now drawn a blank. So this is what it is. Roads are dry. Oh on the way down though to tell you we had some black ice. And you know, black ice is just that. You can't see it really. And it came up to an intersection. Towards the highway and come up to an intersection hit the brakes and started doing a bit of a fish tail. And he's you that our pilots know, I did a ground loop. The complete Donut in the road there at the intersection didn't go out in the intersection, but definitely held up traffic for a minute. While I figured out how to get pointed the right direction again. That's more to do with the lousy tears. I have on this. I got snow tires. It probably should have been replaced last year figure. I don't drive that much. Generally, don't go that far. So put them on again. So. No better. If I still have this vehicle next winter it will get a new set of snow tires. But it is amazing to me a driving north here on US one thirty one freeway speed limit seventy five. Here in Michigan and doing what seventy seventy one Corey GPS, and you would think I was parked out. Here said a guy in suburban just go flying by me had been doing eighty plus. And it doesn't matter if I set the cruise at seventy five I'll still have people climbing my rear passing. I just don't understand what there is especially on a Saturday, really generally going to work. There's no, you know, going north outta here. Cadillacs the next big town north of that this road will be Petoskey. I come I turn off traverse city as I've always said Trevor city, I if you find yourself in traverse city who either meant to go there or you're lost because it's really not on the way to anywhere now, it's on the way to the Leland off peninsula whatnot. But. That's the greater grand traverse bay area. So. I could revise that. But if you find yourself in that area, general you meant to go there or you're lost. This road goes up to Petoskey and then merges with US thirty one. And if you keep following that all the way up you end up at the mackinac bridge at I seventy five. Continue north on that you go over the bridge. You go to sue Sainte Marie? Michigan. You go just a little bit further and Sault Sainte Marie Ontario. Points north. Canada. It's turn off on the. Michigan won thirteen that's over to traverse city. So there's not a lot up this way. So even if you did live down here, generally don't work up north. The. This is generally very popular road. But you know, usually tourist going north most tours don't go north on Saturday afternoon. They're already up there. She come in south on Sundays and Saturdays usually pretty mellow, and it is but it said doing seventy five miles an hour. I think I standing still seems sometimes some of the traffic. Not a lot of traffic. Let's see what else has been going on at a coworker at work. Sometime between Christmas and New Year's texts me and said my wife suddenly died while that's crazy. And it is you know, sh that old. I didn't hear the details or anything, and that's fine. Don't the details. But has just makes you stop and think he's been going through. Some stuff definitely. To envy. His journey their tall. Will go through things from time to time. Yeah. It really gets you to thinking. I've been pretty lucky lost very many people close to me. Or most dramatic things. I've had gone as losing dogs. To traumatic enough in a grandparents, of course, which is sort of expect that same with dogs. You know, when they get old sort of expect that but the middle aged? Person that you wouldn't think has any medical issues? Like, I don't know. Details of what happened in his case. But. Just unexpected. And sudden sounded like. So that's just crazy. And that's the third person. I've known this year or this this year but late twentieth. Eighteen that lost their spouse. Suddenly and unexpectedly pro one was unexpected she had cancer and all that probably know him max flight. Of the airplane. Geeks podcast and another podcast is he? UAB digest. I think. Anyway is wife. Passed away this late summer, I guess, and then Brian friend up in the upper peninsula lost his spouse, Joe. Two. Sort of burst blood vessel issue, his brain. And. Flew over to mayo clinic and hung in there for a little while but actually passed away and it really sucked. Brian did a podcast way back in the day called the procrastinate cast and decided that to that name was a little too hard to spell promote. So he changed it to audio attitude. Could podcasting. Maybe. Can talk to get back into it. But he was really good at it. Yeah. He did kind of the the wall of sound highly produced artsy type podcast, and it was it was really nice. And then. Worked there. He he does podcasting as well. Like, I said, I'm not gonna say who he is just respect right now because not relevant, but. He's been going through some stuff, and he's actually put out a couple of episodes here since since it's happened was personal show. And it's kind of finna therapy for him. And definitely. Good to hear that he's working through what's going on and back to work since then seems to be doing all right. Like, I said from what I can tell but just while. As he says hug somebody you love because you just never know. Just never know when the time comes. I wife, and I are getting up there up there in age, but you know, in our fifties now, and and you know, you just never know when something's going to happen. Absolutely nothing does and same with the you know, the craters. I mean, dear to the dogs, obviously Percy lay in here on the C. And we do a home. Visit. We always take a beagle. Embassador? Percy being brew. Doug, my failed foster, meaning we were fostering them and then failed to adopt him. So readopted him not really we just didn't offer him up for adoption used say, I think we'll keep him. So they they call out a failed foster. You know? So he's he's the beagle. Embassador? He's laying here crashed out, but you know, just think about stuff like that. You know, my parents are getting up their their their seventies. Get one grandmother left in her nineties still well, but you know, you know, it stuff's coming. Lots of aunts and uncles sisters coming up on fifty. You know, we're all getting older. Things happen in even even young people. Just makes you stop and think that not here forever. Make the most of it while you can. So that's been thinking about that quite a bit said with three of them this year that are this last year that I that I personally all from the podcasting world. You know, just strikes. Bites sucks. Not much. We can do about it. But it sucks. Said definitely. Somebody you love and talk to somebody give give your mama calls and she's still around. Kind of thing. Just let people know because you never know when they're going to be gone. And actually, a good friend of mine also passed away here recently. Fact. Right around thanksgiving time. Happened to be driving through his area here. Just what just north of read city. He lived in a little town called Evert. Turn the. Little the state. Was the exit. I would've taken to go to his house. He's gone. Along fruitful life and all that. So, you know, feel feel bad that he's gone, but certainly in a better place than he was for the last few months. Only sense. So I don't know probably ought to get on something a little less depressing. See the vehicle search. So is a topic of discussion. I. A. Test drove some vehicles last Saturday. You know, their neural k I just don't want to buy new. I'd love to be able to buy new. I mean, I could buy you. I wanted to. I'd love to be able to just fight my head because you know, but you know, you get a new vehicle and what I kinda want the fifty fifty grand or, you know, high forties. Minimum. The wanna do that? It's like get a ten year old version of that or not even tenure eight year old version of that for quarter of the cost. Probably a good idea. The ones I looked at. At least the Ford I looked at you could see Russ starting along rocker panel. I don't want to buy a arrest problem. And then looked at a Toyota, and I was that work. Pretty good full full-size Toyota tundra, truck and a hundred thousand miles on it. But other otherwise, really nice, shape and all that and. To look up things, and they haven't timing belt instead of timing chain, which not a problem, but it's supposed to be changed at one hundred thousand miles this one had one hundred six and no record in the Carfax of having a timing chain or timing belt. Oh, timing belts, five hundred bucks. And so I just inquired the dealer, you know, that had the drug I said, you guys gonna get the timing belt. And while you're at it water pumps, it's tough timing belt change. And he's oh, no, no prices, the price take it. As is right. So you won't give me five hundred bucks off. So I can go have no, no prices the price. Okay. Well, wasn't that great a price of the heck with you? I'm going to get. So luckily, I'm not in our hurry, desperate. Not. To falling in love with any vehicles. That's the problem with buying a vehicle sometimes you fall in love with them. And then you'll overlook things don't do your do diligence. And then you end up with a expensive problem on your hand. Or or something that doesn't last as long as you thought it might. I mean. Yeah, there's always. Dangers and buying a used car because generally, you're buying them. As is which makes total sense whose car dealership can't possibly guarantee you thing is gonna blow up when you drive down the road the next time. But you know, they can at least do some of the pre preventative stuff and the price reasonably and you said but do the inspection. See a lot of people will buy cars sight unseen well status to because. No guarantee that that. Those pictures were taken anytime recently or there's no guarantee the pictures of the car that you're buying. Is really the car. You're buying. There's nothing, you know, nothing to replace doing an actual inspection, and, you know, pay somebody to inspect it. Well, unless you don't know what you're looking for you, take it to a mechanic, and and put it up on the lift when I buy a used car safe from a dealership. I always say let's go into the shop put it up on a lift I wanna look underneath it. And if they don't let me do that. I don't buy the car, you know, for private party. I see, you know, if I go test drive it. And if I like it I said, well, I'm going to make an appointment with my mechanic. I wanna take it. Of course, Lew need five hundred dollars to hold it or something. I don't know if you sell it before then great, no problem. So you know, he tried to be in a hurry. You getting a hurry in trouble. And he said my theory, I've been pretty good about buying vehicles. And then sometimes I buy vehicles from families slide. No, the history of the vehicle fact, I've bought two Toyotas. Yeah. Two toyotas. I think and one other car from this family members that had them. Usually works out. All right, 'cause I know the history of the car and all that and this fan I bought from co worker of mine when I was working at the courier company, and this was actually his wife's vehicle, but he would use it from time to time and actually got to ride really couple of times on some deliveries in this fan. And you know was reasonably confident that a good deal pay that much for it. And that one hundred twenty thousand miles on it when I bought it. Well, here we are. Four years later and two hundred thirty seven thousand two said to hit. That's where the noise came from my head at the dominator to see what the total mileage was. And you know, this thing's been reasonably good I've had to do couple of tyrod ends. Alternator? Also, some you know, the breaks, you know, that kind of stuff tires routine maintenance items, but then, you know, solid van for what I paid for it. He said have been pretty good about it the Toyota that my wife's driving now is bought from her boss who bought it new. So she knew that car, you know, the whole time. And silly worries by us, but we generally by smart. That's that's how it works. He'll Cadillac Escalade that we had. We got it. We. Borrowed it for the day from from the seller and took it over to my dad who at the time was working at the Toyota dealer and put up on a lift, and we looked at over really good for ride and everything in that car lasts does over one hundred thousand miles we put on it. And as far as I know it still running sold it. But you know, we definitely pay attention to. Inspecting vehicle if you don't inspect a used vehicle, even a new vehicle, I mean, seriously, should really inspect a new vehicle. There's lots of stories were, you know. Car got wrecked while the possession of the dealer or being delivered or whatever. And then they did expand extensive work on the vehicle before it was ever titled. So there's no record of that accident in the records. Then later on you, come back and find out the things been wracked. It's not right. All that. Now, you know to lemon log on here. In most states. You have a lemon loss of you buy. The thing is new the the dealership has to try to fix it three times under warranty and fourth time. It goes in the the manufacturer gets notified, and they get to give a crack fixing it. And if that doesn't work together by back, so. So you're little more protected if you buy new but still got to look things over. If nothing else if you know, what you're looking for at least get underneath the thing with a flashlight and make sure it doesn't look like there's Bondo stick out or it's rusted through or whatever. And don't fall in love with a car. You know, so many times people will find us carline is the best deal ever. And they'll never find a deal like that. Well, you know, I find deals all the time. On any type of car. You can think of you could find ills. It's just you know, you got to be ready, and you got to not fall in love. And you got to inspect the day thing, you know. So that's the that's the gist of it love talking about car stuff, Leslie is looking for a reasonable full-size pickup truck for we'll drive we'd like to have some of the amenities of the nicer, newer pickup trucks. But. I'm gonna pay fifty sixty grand for one. Thought about buying another van, you know. I really do like this man, it's comfortable. But then I got to thinking this is a great third vehicle so Kerr thanking is get rid of the little pickup that I have get a newer nicer bigger pickup. That'll be my primary vehicle, and then this'll be the third one used for. And what's nice about this van full, those seats down all four by sheets of plywood or whatever. And that's come in handy. But this will be a great backup vehicle, you know, for the other main ones are in the shop or whatever. Since been reliable dot com would. Rusting a little bit. But so terrible. It's a unpresentable. So just coming up on Cadillac Michigan. The town was not named after the car. No. If the car was named after the town, I think the car in the town where named after the same person, which I believe mistake in was some sort of French explorer, but I don't know. Cadillac. Michigan kinda were the the freeway doesn't quite end here. But and pretty close to here. Another town called Manton few miles north of Cadillac, but US one thirty one sort of skirts around the outskirts of Cadillacs, you don't actually go through around. Just on the southern edge of Cadillac area. Pretty nice town small town, obviously, they all are up here. Trevor city being the biggest on. Kentucky quite a bit. Smaller Petoskey is quite a bit. Smaller charlevoix. Talk about Michigan all the time. Don't they? Anyway. So that'll do it for the segment anyway can green to get off the freeway here in it at the rest. Stop coming up. Okay. Well, let's see sorry about the little bit of background noise there on that recording. I'm still sorta working out holiday is. I wanna record mobile, but I think it sounded alright considering and don't have much more to say other than made it home. Everything was cool. The the beagle. Was happy to be home. Yeah. All that. Good stuff. You know, how it is? When we got a bunch of other stuff done what one thing I do on a mention that not that it going to be overall subject of my podcasts. But I am on the low carb diet in successfully lost about six pounds so far. So wish me luck on that front. Anyway, kitsch me later.
'Operation Varsity Blues': A college entrance bribery scheme
"From the newsroom of the Washington Post. Are you in? Washington Post posters. Lori art over. I'm MRs post reports, I'm Martine powers. It's Tuesday March twelve. Today. Dozens arrested in an alleged college admission scheme suicides in the parking lot, and the very particular rules for naming planetary bodies. Operation varsity, blues culminated early this morning when approximately three hundred special agents from the F B I and the IRS criminal investigations set out to arrest. Forty six individuals across the country for their roles in an international college, admissions, bribery and money laundering scam. On tuesday. The Justice department announced the end of year long investigation. We're talking about deception and fraud fake test scores fake credentials fake, photographs ribed. College officials. They were looking into a massive cheating and bribery scheme to get the kids of rich parents into College Central defendant in scheme Williams singer will plead guilty today to charges of racketeering conspiracy money laundering, conspiracy all told dozens of people were charged. They had charged a whole bunch of people fifty people in connection with what they say is the biggest college admission scam that the Justice department has ever charged Matt's Petoskey, a national security reporter cover the Justice department for the post, and he stopped by our studio to talk with us. Yeah. This is crazy after the Justice Department's world wind a press conference. So the US attorney in Boston and F B I official RS official kind of went out and described this massive scandal. It kind of centered around this one guy named Rick singer. Who was just a long time. College adviser, I guess is the best way to describe it. But he had relationships with college coaches like testing officials like SAT ACT type people Rick singer founded what he called a nonprofit this group called the key worldwide foundation. And you know, if you look on it on their website, it's stencils like a foundation that helps advance the interest of kids. Prosecutors say that was sort of all crap this nonprofit was essentially like a slush fund. So he would take in money from parents parents who wanted better test scores for their kids or who wanted. Their kids to be recruited. You know, air quotes as athletes, and who are the people who allegedly tried to get their kids into college in this way. Yes. So the two most interesting are Felicity Huffman, whose an actress and housewife from desperate housewives. I have to admit I haven't seen the show. But I am familiar with her in the name and Laurie Laughlin from full house. There is also the chairman of a big law firm other people who just had money. I mean, not names that anyone would recognize, but very wealthy people who had tens of thousands of dollars to throw around just so their kid could get thirty three on the ACT, and they would pay this guy. Rick singer to make things happen for them. Sometimes it was rigging kids test scores Laming by rigging and kids. So when you go and take a standardized test, you sort of go into a room. And there's a person who monitors you, and you fill it out, you turn into them, and it sort of a very secure process. But if you know all the players involved you can rig it in your favor. So this. Guy. Mr. singer new the testing officials the people who would sort of monitor you taking a test and making sure it was above board. So he would pay them to kind of look the other way. And he also had this person who he would pay while they were looking the other way to go in and like change kids answers. So if I were a kid who had rich parents who we were trying to get me into jail. Let's say I would go and take my test. And then either this guide Mr. singer had paid would sit in coach me about what to write while. Unofficial. Look the other way or I would sort of turn in my test, and he would go and correct my answers afterwards. And he did it just it's not like he had inside information about what the correct answers were the US attorney sort of described today. He was just a really smart guy who could get whatever score he wanted. And sometimes it would be like intentional missing. Because he was aiming for a score that wouldn't arouse suspicion. I wanna make to obviously sixteen hundred right? Maybe somewhere in the fourteen or fifteen right? So that's what I mean by rigging. It's essentially like having a guy. To either coach a kid through a task or to correct their answers when they're done wealthy. Parents paid singer about twenty five million dollars in total to guarantee their children's admission to elite schools including Yale Georgetown, Stanford University of southern California, the university of Texas UCLA and Wake Forest, and then what are some of the other crazy things that prosecutors are alleging the other kind of Wild Thing when you're applying to college, I didn't know this. But apparently when you're plying to college it can help you get in. If you're an athlete, I guess, I've broadly knew that. But not like if you're a star quarterback, it can just help you if you're being recruited as an athlete for the crew team the soccer team. Oh, a lesser known thing. So one of the things he would do is try to make kids who weren't athletes seem like, athletes and coaches to essentially, recruit, none athletes, pretending they were athletes. So he would have coaches again who are on the take he would pay bribes to them. And they would then say, oh, yes, I'm recruiting the student to be on the crew team or the, you know, the most notable example, I think in there as the soccer team, you'll soccer coach, I think admitted taking like a four hundred thousand dollar bribe four hundred thousand dollars, and they would say, yes, we're we're recruiting that person. Sometimes they would need proof of that. So Mr. singer or the parents would Photoshop pictures of their kids face on real athletes body, or they would in one instance. And I think this this might have been the case with Laughlin they sort of put their kid on a rowing machine because she was a stencil being recruited to participate in crew though. She didn't I mean, the thing of it is these people weren't actually athletes. It would just help them get in if they were perceived as athletes, so that's how Mr. singer would kind of help them. What happens when they got to college? And they were clearly not. Able to participate in this that they were recruited a great question. So sometimes apparently they would try a little while and quit sometimes they would fake an injury. And then they would be out of it. But they're still sort of in the door. Then the US attorney. I don't think described any case where the person just went on to actually be great athlete, but they would like find a reason pretty quickly to just get out of it. So what are the potential consequences for this prison? I mean, these people will go to prison, it's sort of interesting and almost funny, but the consequences for these peoples are to go to prison Rick singer is this afternoon expected to plead guilty he turned cooperator in the case. So he sort of flipped on all these parents who he helped, but though plead guilty to Iraq tearing charge, which is a very serious thing. And you know, these people face real criminal charges. This isn't like they're just sort of exposed embarrassed criminal charges that could result in prison time, and what happens to the kids. That's a great question. The US attorney was asked that at this. Press conference, and essentially he said that's up to the colleges. But this is recent he said that this investigation has disband about the only the past year and these kids are in colleges. I think it is important to note to the US attorney said that these colleges as institutions weren't in on it. This is not a situation that you sort of hear about like a parent donates building. And then they get in. This is like lower level people at the colleges coaches in one instance on athletes official or like standardized testing officials who aren't even really affiliated with the college. Where all in on it. They'll have a tough decision to make. I guess I mean, I don't know. And it doesn't seem like an all these instances the kids were in on it though. Maybe in some they were I was just sort of rereading the indictment before I came down here. And there was one where a mother wanted her son to take a test instead of this person who could take it and get any score. Just so he thought he was actually taking. A two in some instances. So in some instances, the kids aren't even in on. It is it really fair to rip them out of college. It's going to be a thorny or moral question for colleges, you mentioned the idea that that this isn't like paying money for building a university and getting your kid in that way. And that's what I find so ironic about this case is that there are already so many legal ways to get your kid into college. If you're rich you can give a big donation you can pay for private one on one teetering and that demonstrated that that will get your kid. A pretty good score. You can pay to have your kid play a sport, that's less competitive sport and get in with recruiters that way, you don't have to go this crazy way. And yet these people still allegedly found a really bizarre way of trying to get their kids into these fancy schools. Yeah, we were talking about that sort of as the news was breaking. I was talking with Devon Barrett. My colleague on the Justice department, and it's like why why would you do this? They have extremely wealthy. Parents one of them was like, the co-chairman of this huge law firm, you've got to celebrity actors, but you know, names that you just say anyone sort of knows why didn't you just donate a lot? You know, why are you paying this third party? And I don't know the answer to that. I haven't yet been able to talk to the celebrities or any of the parents who are involved about why to do this though just in talking with colleagues. I think the one difference is it's a little more of a guarantee the parents charged today despite already being able to give their children every legitimate advantage in college admissions game instead chose to corrupt an illegal manipulate the system for their benefit. There's some more guaranteed to getting that high score on the SAT lot more risk though, clearly to what's going to happen next in this case, the feds have a lot of evidence they had wiretaps they have this guy who was the center of it all who is now cooperated in presume. Ably shared all sorts of records. They have a mountain of evidence, you can sort of see why this would be so appetizing for the FBI for federal law enforcement. This is like a question of fundamental fairness. It's not like, oh, ha ha rich parents bribe and get their kids into school. There are victims here in the view of the FBI. And that's the kids who didn't get these spots at maybe rightfully they should have because kids whose parents had a lot of money did in the US attorney at this press conference made a point of that he said look every year hundreds of thousands of hardworking talented students strive for admission to elite schools and that system is a zero sum game for every student admitted through fraud. An honest genuinely talented student was rejected. We're not going to look the other way. Law enforcement. Of course looks for crimes there are crimes here. And that's why they have a hook recketeering on a services fraud, but there's also sort of a public interest, and you can see that that really moved the US attorney thinking about the kids who who didn't get in. Because these people who he said got in because of bribes dig it, but we'll see I mean now there's going to be a court battle big sprawling court battle involving a lot of parents who are accused of pain bribes, essentially, so their kids could go to college, and we'll see what happens. Matt's Petoskey reports on the Justice department for the post. Can we have you start by reading this Email? Good evening. I just finished. Reading your article about veterans committing suicide on hospital grounds. And I have a few experiences regarding one of the facilities. You mentioned. I'm in Iraq veteran and deployed to the flu. And during my tour I suffer from chronic PTSD to such a degree that just over a year ago item to suicide. How many emails like this? Did you get when the story was first posted online? I woke up the next morning to. Over thirty five emails and throughout the day. It was probably about four to five an hour. They continued for weeks even six weeks later, I still receive emails. I'm Emily wax tiptoe at I'm in national reporter last month. Emily published a story about a disturbing trend veterans taking their own lives on the grounds of veterans affairs, hospitals often in cars parked in the VA parking lot. And the goal of reporting was to figure out why the VA becomes symbol of the war that they fought the government that can't seem to help them the PTSD or the stuff that happened in Iraq or Afghanistan or previously that they're not getting the correct help for. So they often say even in suicide notes on YouTube, in some cases that they are doing this to draw attention to the problems inside the programs and the problem the larger problem of what they have been through. And they want people to hear it. So when they leave. Note saying I did this because the VA system failed me they want people to fix it. Veterans are significantly more likely than the general population to die by suicide, but to get help for PTSD and other mental health issues, they have to navigate the VA systems massive bureaucracy. And that can be frustrating in some cases, that's have to prove that their injuries are connected to their service, which can require a lot of paperwork and appeals, Emily. I heard about this issue of parking lot suicides several years ago from a whistle blower within the VA. And she struggled for a long time about how to report on it in some ways, you don't want people to read it and stay away from getting help on the other hand a lot of the families actually really wanted to talk which is counterintuitive. They felt so. Honored to be able to. Go over what? Lead their family member to this point and how to fix it. So a lot of the families were so. Brave and outspoken about what went wrong and what needed to happen. So that. This phenomenon doesn't keep happening. Listen to a hard job. One of those families that Emily spoke with was the family of a young man named John tombes who served in Afghanistan. His dad David said that when John got home. He struggled to reconcile his life over there with his life here. It was a opponent of something something bigger than sales. And so the camaraderie, the brotherhood. But when they come back, even though they still do drills once a month when he decided not to reenlist in two thousand fourteen I believe it was that's when he sees star to go down. He'll that's slowed a little bits taper. John like a lot of veterans returning home had a hard time transitioning. In the military. You share? Sleeping places you share meals. You have friends you can talk to about what's going on people understand. You don't have to explain to the Mary thing return home in. It's almost like you're on another planet never complained about it. Never had anything to say about it. It gets a lot of things he wouldn't somebody to openly discuss situations might affect my mother told him that he should apply beyond because. He would he would not talk about anything. John finally got into a residential treatment program at a VA facility in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, John was said to be someone who is really improving by one of the nurses who is working with him. But he was still struggling with PTSD and depression and anxiety. Sometimes he would have trouble getting out of bed in the morning. And he would be late you pick up his medications little things at once comb through all the records. He was never violet a ever duty body. Most everybody that I've talked to that has reached out since then said that, you know. He was would you the shirt off his bag? He was very thankful or friendly. But he had eased that. Like most people heavy medications days, and you just don't talk. Anybody? John was eventually kicked out of the program for relatively minor infractions, though were both school to the laws for the very reasons. He was there and that same morning the day before thanksgiving twenty sixteen he took his own life in an abandoned building on the grounds of the hospital. Diva tomb says that from everything that he's heard the program that John was in Tennessee has improved a lot since then, you know, kills me two sons bist form to do it. When Emily learned from her reporting is that some of these problems are not specific to the VA their problems with health care and mental health facilities in the US general. The environments are very sound ties. They're very cold. They have very strict rules. You're taking people who are at their lowest point, mentally and putting them into an atmosphere that may not be nurturing. For instance, in John tombes case, there was a nurse who had a suggestion to let the veterans keep clocks and have a coffee pot. So that when they were woken up for their medications at six AM. They would be able to then go back to sleep and collect their medications by nine AM. They weren't allowed to have clocks or phones in their rooms. And so that little switch can make the atmosphere better and John actually was late to his medication because he would just fall back sleep. So one reason can be as simple as the programs while they say they're trying to improve all the time. Veterans are the best people to ask. What they need to work on other times. The system is silver well-named both in the VA and in the private sector that records can be wrong that there's no follow ups made that there's confusion over whether the veteran has a gun in their car. That was the case with Justin Miller, he was a Marine Corps musician who took his own life outside of the Minneapolis department of veterans affairs hospital the access to firearms issues should have put a red flag on his file from the beginning. And for whatever reason it didn't the VA says that Justin's death was one of nineteen suicides that occurred on its campuses from October twenty seventeen to November twenty eighteen but some advocates say that that number is actually higher. Justin, sister, Alissa Harrington said that this wasn't the life that she expected for him. My brother was a very talented musician. And so when he was in high school, he was looking at the different things that he could do. And a recruiter approached him and said, you know, you can play in the military bands. He knew that he would be asked to do guard duty on base because that was his secondary MOS. So he he knew that was a possibility. But I don't think it was something that they had really talked about in in terms of what that meant fully is. It wasn't just him. It was the entire band who was going over there with the same secondary MOS of being basic unity. We'd hear the funny stories about how it's a slightly ridiculous idea to give a bunch of band. Geeks walkie talkies that had musical tones hundred number Pat because they would spend their days sending each other musical notes using the keypad, and then we would also hear stories about how he had to shoot people. Got a lot of emails about how veterans go to war. And they're often asked to do things that they regret or that. They feel morally confused about it's really tough to be a soldier and both men and women come back with high levels of PTSD and depression, and a lot of the emails detailed why they were suicidal and why they were trying so hard to get their mental health under control. There's also the trauma of senior friends get hurt or killed and just the trauma of being afraid all the time. David Hume said that once his son did open up at that PTSD force. We got in the program started on and more about PTSD and himself. He told me said, you know, sometimes t SDN so much of what happened to you is the end his opinion of constantly wondering what's getting ready to have? And we says that all of the veterans and families that she spoke with for her story and afterward. They said that they're glad that the VA is there. They just want the system to get better. It's important that we talk about it and important that we continue to have these conversations because without being honest about it without engaging everyone in the conversation. We can't come to good solutions. In the VA is a huge part of that. There is no desire for myself or my family to destroy the VA. We want the VA to be there as a public health portion as well. As a crisis intervention center of one of the things that the via needs to do is make sure that their staff is supported and paid entering. It's so hard for me to hear these stories from people who've worked at the VA about how unsupported they feel 'cause I know that this has nothing to do with the care of the providers. I know that the people who were caring for my brother were doing what they could with what they can. And that this likely is haunting them as much as it's haunting us. The VA has a new executive director for suicide prevention, and she said that the agency now trains parking lot attendants and patrols onto aside intervention. The agency is also expanding suicide prevention efforts and piloting a peer mentoring program. The Trump administration has said that preventing veteran suicide is its top priority. You can read Emily wax. Timid oh story on VA parking lot suicides at post reports dot com. Now, one more thing from science reporter, Sarah Kaplan, a story about celestial names. So last year scientists announced that they had detected twelve previously undiscovered moons orbiting around Jupiter. Most of them were pretty tiny hadn't been seen before the moons were discovered by astronomers associated with the Carnegie institution for science. And now that they've been found they need names. So the Carnegie institution of science sent out a press release saying that they need help. Finding names the asked people on Twitter and on social media to contribute, and I'm looking at this news release, and I'm like, that's cool. You get to name a new piece of real estate in the solar system. But then you see all of the rules for naming them a moon of Jupiter has to be named for a lover or offspring of God known as Jupiter or Seuss, depending on whether you're looking at can. Have any associated with any military or political or religious cannot be offensive to anyone can't be named for anybody champion name for somebody's retro program than any? That seems like a lot of rules just to come up with a name for the dinky little space rock, but Sarah says that this complicated system is there for a reason there are rules for naming basically everything in the solar system, and they come from the international astronomical union. It was founded in nineteen nineteen and previous to the people sort of just named stuff willy nilly, and so there were fights over whether or not your initial be named urine or George which was the king of England at the time that William Herschel discovered the planet. You know, multiple astronomers would say that they discovered the same asteroid each give it different names. And so when the I came about they're like, we need to bring some order to this chaos, and so they began establishing committees and working groups what scientists love best to sort of put things in order, and one of the roles of the working groups is to stop Bush, these imagine guidelines for different features and different planetary bodies. So for example on titan which is a moon of Saturn. There are mountains that are named for mountains on Middle Earth in the five of mount docked Lord saw secret lost ring. The magical landscape of the Lord of the rings books. Features on Venus are all named for women except for one which is named after the scientists whose discoveries were really important for our I observe Asians Venus, James clerk Maxwell. Asteroids are one of the few things in the solar system that can be named for living people. So there asteroids named for all four Beatles. Cross. All three Bronte sisters athletes musicians movie stars Tom Hanks asteroid there's a make Ryan astroid. I turn on my computer. So maybe they're sending emails to each other. So Sarah says that if you've got a name for one of many, new moons all you have to do is tweet your suggested name to at Jupiter lunacy. And you have to include the hashtag named sitters moons until Carney. Why you picked it? Thera- Kaplan is a science reporter for the post. And if you do decide to tweet a suggested name, remember that you have to make sure that your suggestion fits all of the requirements must be sixteen characters. Few can't be related to any kind of commercial can't be too similar. That's it. For today's episode post reports, I'm Martine powers. We'll be back tomorrow with more stories from the Washington Post.
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So if you're interested in all these guys things are really excited to get your thoughts. Actually tag US What did you learn from today's episode? Please let us know of course Always so take it away backs Neil toss bestseller oughta podcast and this legend Max Lucrative and welcome to the PODCAST felman. Thanks Dan Vere Dude. We've got on with being in a changing on the web's you would say we finally made it happen psyched to hero and it's in good time as well because you talk about a bit lighter but you'd bring you out another book on the Genius Lines will say and I were discussing upstairs in the restaurant you like. I didn't realize volume USTRALIA. It's crazy I mean no idea but I. I've never been to Australia. I have a lot of Australian friends and your would love to go. So let's make that happen and let's make it happen. Yeah for sure man invoked signing there. I'm so yes way like do some sort of event I feel people just generally a drawn to your understanding and knowledge and also you what you do. Is You do all the research everyone else. That's that's the that's what you do. I try try to put my own spin on things too. I mean perspective but yeah I mean I just think it's you know. Health Literacy is something that has been lost on younger people that were also older people. It's the same as financial literacy. It's the same as Culinary Literacy literacy so I'm just trying to like be a full on her in the fight to get people to Kinda like wake up to the way that their their actions affect the way they feel and their health long-term too and that's we're GonNa talk about today and if you just heads up guys if you get enough of what we hear about you can also hit up Max's podcasts. He talks about all this stuff all the time. So let's begin with your beginning so you're you're journalist Wedge Study. I went to University of Miami in Florida. I think you like the use of the year. Yeah Yeah The you in South Florida and I actually started school. As a Pre Med track within I ended up realizing the love of storytelling and communications and I ended up double majoring in documentary. Filmmaking and psychology so keeping one foot still in the world of science but I really enjoyed this the like the opportunity that technology when I went to school is was providing for for storytellers to to tell stories in a more immediate way than they had been told in the past. You can just take a video camera. Which now is becoming increasingly more affordable to people and unlike tell story and create a revolution. That's kind of what I think the promise of digital video like that's why that spoke to me and that ended up when I graduated ended up getting a job working for Gore who is former. Us Vice President Al Gore. Yeah Man I would love to pick his brain smart guy So he hired me basically out of college to be one of the faces of his TV Network TV network in the US. Called current TV knows a news and Information Network for young people and so even though it in studied journalism in college got training on the job immediately upon graduation it was Grad school but instead of going into debt for it like they actually paid me to be on and produce content and it was amazing. I was like twenty two twenty three and I ended up doing it for six years and so it was amazing. I learned a ton I got to work with people who in the US are like household names in the in the world. Journalism like And then six years into that. I left at work. I felt that my opportunity had kind of course and I started spending more and more time in New York City which is from here and I love my mom. I'm a the first born. The oldest child in the family and I started spending more time with her and it was at that moment. It was just so crazy. The timing of things but in in that moment has between jobs I was spending more time in New York City that my mom started to display early symptoms of what would ultimately be diagnosed as a form of dementia and It was really upsetting for my family to have to come to terms with but I stepped in. I started accompanying her to doctors appointments. We started in New York and because we couldn't really get a clear diagnosis here in New York. I mean just imagine the frustration of that like in your home that you live in New York City and you can understand what's going on with your mother's health. I mean I just wanted to like you know resonate for people because it ended up with US having to book around women's of the Cleveland Clinic and by flights you know Book Hotel Reservations and we ended up having to fly out to Cleveland. Ohio which the Cleveland Clinic is one of the best hospitals in the world and is known for taking on particularly complex medical cases. And we had to go there and it was there. Finally the my mom was diagnosed for the first time with neurodegenerative condition. She was prescribed drugs for both Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease and I didn't know anything about either condition at that point what I had. Were these prescriptions. That I then took back to the hotel room and I began googling like anybody would right. And it dawned on me at that point that my mom had an incurable condition and that these drugs had no ability to modify disease progression at all. They were essentially biochemical. Bandaids and that basically was the line in the sand at that you know became I think my my life's purpose ultimately to try to figure out why this would have happened to her. Why it's happening to people just generally you know on such a on such an unprecedented scale. And what could be done to prevent it? You know. And so that's what was the motivating force behind my writing of genius foods which is a nutritional care manual for the human brain and then the genius life is sort of progression on that acknowledging that nutritious just one part of the story. Yeah Man I comp into words how much it'd be tough to say mom go through something like that but also then How amazing is that? You looked at it as a way of going so often paper could be put in that situation and just be like. I need to just give everything I can to the situation you realize and go anita people realize as much as I can catch my mom. People need to know that there is something we can do about this. And you did that. And that's how you came up with. How tight viewed actually ride genius foods? Alanon types that process took a long time. I made it my full time job for year. Living off the small advance that I got and yeah I mean it was crazy I was i. I had no idea how successful the book would become but I dedicated myself to it and also I think the other thing about like writing a lot of people write books today. The books are kind of like they're it's like the. The book is to the iceberg for the business in. The book is really a marketing play until they promote business. I didn't have a business. I suppose book you know and and get this information out there to people and so I really identified myself to it. I worked with brilliant medical doctor to write. It is based in New York. City was Paul Gray Wall and and yeah just like night and day night and day. Chipping away at the topic and try and making sure that the concept that I was writing make sure that it was easy to read. It was fun to read that it was at times funny. 'cause I'm not like the. Stodgy professor time. I wanted I wanted to speak to my generation. Yeah Yoga is like get your act together. The clock is ticking and dementia. Alzheimer's begins in the brain decades before the first symptom so So yeah so like it took me a year or two right the first manuscript and then about six to eight months to to edit it in it came out and it was just like it was amazing into New York Times with solar. It's unbelievable I. I've listened to it as an audio book where I had the pleasure of hearing your car voice in my E-z as I'm at the gym Ron. I think that's what we get from the manic straightaway. You do get this. Super Informative analyzed well reference documentation but in a way. That's like comical. This really funny things I remember. I actually not where I live. I giggle as as he signed off so But it's also superpower because you're right. These things like Alzheimer's Mitch. They do that. Go to lag period like this. These things that happened you know use light up without even realizing at least the symptoms and unfortunately having more from them we actually know. But there's things we can do about it so let's talk about some of the things that you particularly within. That book was shocked to hear through studies. That major points in the book. I of and a Lotta people. Yeah I think the most shocking thing is that we that this is a potentially a lifelong escape events that ultimately determine whether or not you have dementia and so it still involving science. But that's why I think the impetus is on all of us to do. We can when we can to make changes that are GONNA help support our brain health as we age because once you already have dementia. There's really no turning back from that. I mean there are studies coming out showing us that we can do things. I can slow the progression. You exercise is one of the exercise medicine for the brain yet But the drugs don't really work and not to sound bleak or anything if there was a blockbuster drug that I give my mom I would give it to my mom so the but But no it's a you know. I think no matter how young you are how old you really have to consider our brains. You know we go to the gym because we want to look at her and I go to the gym for mental health purposes. I go to the gym. Because it's like an amazing tonic for whether you're anxious feeling anxious or depressed or just generally moody going to the gym like you know it's it's amazing It's also you know the best way to to encourage neuro plasticity of your brain cells And so yeah. I think that there's like there's just so much that people need to know and so I don't know ingenious foods I took A. It was really mostly about nutrition. And the fact that you eat basically dictates the quality of your moment to moment thoughts. How well you can perform as well as your risk. Long-term conditions like Alzheimer's disease and dementia. And so I make a pretty. I'd take a pretty balanced Stance like I'm very much pro plants and also very much pro animal products. So I'm like pro. Both I think of common extreme standpoint today when we have these warring nutrition factions like carnivores. Everybody's fighting but yeah. I think that the value of each are like just from the standpoint of the brain stem intrusion From the standpoint of adherents like you just can't get around the fact that incorporated both into your diet is like makes the most sense. Yeah absolutely As studies she putting the shine. I'd send you referenced. Thousand tons of ready to show that we conscious focus on versus micronutrients macronutrients animator balanced is what is effective. Is You know there's so many pathways required chemical reactions from both Veggie said man like I think. Definitely touch this in terms of plant. Specis animal proteins. I think and this is made looking just completely subjectively love to hear your thoughts on this. We he references of like gang changes and always kind of things first and foremost you know. You'll got anyone else so just listen to you. Got The secondly I think the biggest differentiator in planned production and being and you know someone who consumes ammo packs. I don't think it's having products as much. I think it's actually the amount of plants so I don't think in general. We have enough plants. So if you look at someone who eats? I don't proxy with Vegetables. Auditing is enough vegetables not plight competitive animal product whereas you could salaries Vegan that would have to consume more food. In general mattis means more plants so if we had a third study that was more plants with a little bit. I don't product. I'll be very interested to see what that would look like versus Vegan versus the animal. Kind of mentality. Yeah and those are hard to do our colleague Ben who's in Medical School at Columbia that nutritionists nutrition research is way harder to do than drug research and yet nutrition research is vastly much light less well-funded yet so Yes we went ever have those studies so you have to Kinda hedged your bets and take the best available evidence. You have warm in a hard on for Diet's going to work for you because you're right like nobody knows your your your biology your healthy you do. I mean estimate probabilities in guesses But everybody should see themselves as like an end of one experiment. That's how I treat my my approach and and I tried to make us caveats in in my book. So there's no such thing as one size fits all night. Yeah you do man. I really appreciate as well. I think I like as we talked about. Your colloquial nature is informative. You really focus on the nutritional aspects Here's what we do have bought. He generally has an impact on our make up and how we perform Off personally let's go to the gym for mental reasons. You touch on the endocrine system like Noah in also the relationship between food and the whole in Genius Foods And I think that's so apparent. I think hormonal activity is something we generally neglect when it comes to our health and wellness and particularly the Indicator of that is the most happiest day And it's often eating or just author Jim Session and that's just because you've done something that you feel good about. And it's brought on actually showing positivity towards your Ahead Ron. You're somebody who's asked me the other day like what my ideal day look like. Honestly like I feel so good when I have a day where have like an amazing workout and follow that workout. Like just one of those. I work as we feel like. Everything's grooving lake. They you know there's no pain just feel like your like your lifts are increasing. Show great and then you follow that with amazing meal that that one two punch to me is like one of the greatest things in light and the sauna afterwards ought to go anywhere you need fancy cars like Nestle's aggregate workout super healthy meal on afterwards and then follow that with a great night's sleep like an alcohol-free like great night's sleep too. I'm like just playing. Were universities playing man. That's like actually publicly talk about the activity then recovery as of the Sauna. The sleep and the food often we miss but to be. You've also got your apartment right now. You're signing in on this book. Tour is actually close to a gym to your price of food ride. Easy Hotel in New York going to say it's like equidistant. Between a whole hopefully Asian over with now trustworthy trustworthy absolutely produce. Yes in the gym and then also next to a like a dig in I'm not I'm not a fan of if they're watching this light map animal but I mean the tastes like flavors. I adding super. They're like really good Adams Adams a friend. Now he's we had him on the PODCAST He's done a fantastic job. And I just like any of these restaurants at a plant like a really push plants. There's like cannon Now I'm so happy to hear that you'll like me and I can call when you travel is wherever you sit is food and how close to a deal with is also like touched by genius foods. We're GONNA hit a break when we come back only talk more about your second So every we'll see if you haven't already as a couple of years you can say on my Graham or on the two page about how to chop an onion and maximize your saying first-hand year on the outside skills dude did you. I love the fact. You've come down to the kitchen and going holy crap you actually. The Cook could as we as we doing on the table but man. I'll cook something that is super parents or what we're both the bat. But specifically you did big fan big fan of like how you an advocate of produces yoy side. How how did you? How do you go from being like did you apply yourself in the food world? After journalism? We always been invited as your family was involved in food Yemen my my mother was a you know we believe very strongly like when I was growing up like the family. Dinner was very important laxmi mom yet so that we would all come together no matter where we were we would all sit down together dinner and choose a busy woman but she often cooked. You know we definitely all enjoyed cooking together. That was like a thing that we all dish who make cakes and she would make dishes and she had a garden. And you know she. She loves to like grow. Tomatoes and Zucchini is in light and put them into dishes like it was. It was a big thing in my house and it's awesome. At a certain point. I realized love for Health Nutrition It began a curiosity but I started to really believe that what we eat matters for our health and for how we feel and how we look absolutely and from I think a pretty young age I was pretty tapped into that and And Yeah and so when my mom got sick and I had these skills that I had amassed as a as a journalist I just decided to Kinda go all in in circle back to my original love which was health and I'd now I can cook. I don't have like half the skills that you have. Obviously as a trained chef. I think I'm a pretty good coach because of my upbringing and And Yeah I mean I think cooking. Good cooking alchemy. It's chemistry in. I mean there's definitely it's it's certainly an art but there's also a little bit of science to it definitely and I think at that. Intersection is so cool. It's so it's like you know. And so on inspiring and yeah. I don't know I I'm I'm I'm not a train so I I'm trains. Actually I kind of went indications and trying white remote like certified. That's cool but like I'm like you do. I have the family table. I loved it. It was just that awesome. You know I guess moments together and that's really cool to hear that your family had the same morals breadth really. I feel. It's just that just better hormones ring so much happiness man let's as as I'm cooking this little situation so run. I always have some really cool shorts in the pan. Just olive oil in there You'll medium so just kind of rough on chop just kind of get a little Golden Brown that the crush. Golic and we've got pretty heavy not gonNA lie alikhon anyway. Oh that's great that's good Gosh. I'm so sorry I didn't check earlier but let's let's talk more about moving on from you. What happens you will send you. I will obviously genius such a success. So there's no doubt you had on the book but what was the methodology and raising behind wanting to genius. Who Yeah I mean. Nutrition is lights. It's so important but it's one part of the story and that's really what motivated me to read the book there. There is a lifestyle component in food. But it's very in the back in the Balkans not fully slash out. The genucel is really explodes and breaks. Open all those different avenues. And a lot of values so everything from circadian biology to the relationship that we have with nature to the relation. But we have the light to the religion of that we have a temperature To physical activity to environmental toxins that are omnipresent in the environment. That sort of all. It's it's generally like an overview of all of the most relevant and actionable things that you can do in terms of your environment to feel better and reduce your risk for not just dementia but for cancer for heart disease and things like that. So did you find you like more? Casey I've done obviously had an impact on paper in the genus food aspect. This is so much more I can do. Yeah well my mom Actually she struggled with dementia for seven eight years but she passed away a little over year ago sideways. Eighteen pass from was actually not dimensioned. She was diagnosed with an credit cancer. And essentially that was another revelation on. Because you know I it's been the past eight years Looking into guide on how could affect our risk for brain disease and what ultimately ended up stealing my mom from my family and I was something completely different so it really think about the world in a different way to look at other areas where we might be able to have agency to improve our risk some of these overall health your life definitely you know whether it's cancer whether it's heart disease well and I think that in many ways my mom was the Mary in the coalmine for the Western way of life. And so you know nutritionist mentioned. It's a big hang. We have control degree of control over what we eat and plays a major role in the Lancet estimates that one in five deaths globally occurred due to diet related editions. But you know. Every there's so many aspects of modern life that who basically mutated and are a synchronous with the needs of the unanimous our requirement for some light you know ninety three percent of our time indoors these as a requirement for variation in ambient temperature most of the time we're spending call Chronic climate control. So it's like These ancient more regulatory systems that have just been allowed to gather dust and when weeks ourselves too hot to heat or cold. Temperatures cold showers ice pads crowd. Things like that Activate these ancient ways and it seems to be for the benefit of our health and our mental physical health mental health as well so these are all topics that I wanted to bring together when the genes life and every topic could easily up. Its own book. I mean circadian. Biology are hitting biology that that is when I saw reading more about that in ingenious lot like I I've read a bit about cycads rhythm obviously important. That's a more. I was actually personally intercity that myself when I was traveling a lot and understanding yet so before we go inside and it will be a quick talk a bit about what that is and the second biology. Your Circadian Clock is basically the twenty four hour cycle that dictates various biological processes throughout the day. I mean every every biological process I think is in some way at least directly or indirectly influenced by the time of day that it is and you let your brain date is A handful of inputs and the primary endpoint that your brain and body uses to date is so that it can address its processes accordingly and so first thing in the morning would talk about look. It's crucial to really important to make sure that sometime in the morning. You're getting good quality. Bright light in your eyes. Now this doesn't have to be a box it doesn't FBI right side even on an Ambien Day. The amount of that you're getting through is Is Sufficient to anchor your body's circadian rhythm so whether that means any minute window going outside to scratch Paris or even just driving through our your half an hour commute work and taking off your classes and opening up some window so that natural light floods the car. That's GONNA do a lot towards you know making sure that your metabolic engine firing also owners to make sure that your mental health is as good as it can be in so hard circadian Your Circadian Rhythm can influence Things like learning focus. Attention mood So yeah so. It's like one of these really really important things in maintaining the circadian rhythm has Equally challenging today because we're just flooded with artificial light at night so those are the things that I go into in this country which I think is a very good unbiased of course but I think it's a very good distillation of what we currently know about biology without sort of on about things. That are not sort of actionable or not fully fleshed out in the research. You know what I'm saying. Absolutely read a whole book about Circadian Biology but like I said like the devil control up ages. You know what I'm saying. I tried to do like dense. It bring it all together and make it actionable achievable in an approachable. So what was signed is jeans. Law Is Max's why of tightening lots of studies and putting it quickly abstract about what it is and giving the response of the action will think waiting to do yes. That's all no. It's it's one of those people that has those blue light sunglasses on a notch on. Wear them sometimes. So you do. Who owns very useful? Actually marry they look nerdy of course Sake Greg. I'm going to get any dates wearing them. Yeah they actually birth control. Is that right now all right? I don't know that's true man. I'm going to lower friends. Go girls and they weren't one these would then tell me about the sex life that much but you never know you never know who knows if you meet the right bio hacker just saying yes. He listens to Maxon. Oh Man I'm so the spot in interest in this this is just going up. An extra twenty percents Girls I'm just saying I should be so lucky. Then you get a possible. Get you down the avenue book to do yes. It's really something that I think. He's truly hasn't been touched in health so much yet. I think it's early beginning. And touching the tiffany aspect. If you will of what the influence that has all talk about you know we heard about blue lot and those things and even when we travel you know when I travel I really try and get back into the same day twenty four hour call as when going through so I have a routine now on travel to and from New York but I think we open that we naturally naturally just wake up to sunlight and your boarding nets. It's hard to get out of bed at three in the morning because Dunk Ryan and I think though the relationship where I'm interested to hear from is what that is in terms of the pathway towards the intercom system in a net or the phone effect so when we have the optimal we wake up in the morning and we haven't that some sunlight for example the natural lot. What does that do to some of the major front of an audience systems really good question? I mean one one great example. Is that right light? Basically the brakes on Melatonin. Production Melatonin is a hormone that isn't hauled in albums wind down at night but militants actually also a powerful antioxidant and into commentary. And it's all the repair and it's also involved in A process called Which is sort of like the Kamari method yet. Ramallah it's like when our cells clean house And it's does all these amazing things so that's why we want to have melatonin soup. Released are rains in the evening hours and this occurs naturally but What happens is bright light? Suppresses Melatonin release a pretty significant degree? And so that's why right. Artificial is in a way can actually be via this sort of indirect And complicated pathway can actually promote celebrated aging maybe even act as a carcinogen in certain context is one of the reasons why it's been proposed that night shift workers make up. Twenty percent of the global workforce have an increased risk. It seems for certain cancers so you know the fact that they're Melatonin levels are constantly being suppressed may play a role here and I think the science you know needs to explore this further. Certainly but it's an interesting offices and one of the things in alternate also does is it makes us less insulin sensitive Because we're not supposed to be at our most energetic. You know at night when we're winding down. We're getting ready for bed right. So partitioning and utilising fuels like insulin. One thing that insulin does really well is is it. Shuttles Glucose into our muscles also so that we can have energy That's less of a necessity when we're like winding getting ready for bed. Right thing is in the morning a lot of people when they wake artificially with arm clocks which is obviously a modern construct. If they're jostled awake at which point like their Melatonin levels have not come down there. Waking Up Melatonin levels are still elevated so by getting that bright light in your eyes in the morning. What you're doing. You're making sure that your Melatonin levels plummet so that you can be at your most insulin sensitive your most energetic during the day like in the morning when that's when you when you typically need most of your energy and you know and And Metabolic function to be firing on also under so. That's one way to live basically affects your hormones. It's that it it. Suppresses melatonin lousy be more sensitive Which is going to be great for energy metabolism. It's GonNa be great or anti-aging purposes And so yeah. Light has a as a pretty dramatic interplay with way her or do you just to encyclopedia knowledge man. How good getting knowledge booms ready? It's super interesting. It's so interesting. On the surface of militant we always talk bad SOM- until about recovery light to the athletes. Elia and be part of that will make sure that essere turn the Diet Essentially utilize well by Melatonin Melatonin on the index slave Guys so like if you don't get that deep sleep in trek from wrong but essentially that's you need to build a militant. And if you don't getting that's the other side of if you're not getting into slate you minimize the amount of time. Heavy and then you wake up unnaturally nearly short amount of recovery actually utilize benefited and the net. That's the flown affects essentially Catalyst in all of these lost out of these. I mean there's a lot of hormones that that that earn sleep I mean there's growth hormone testosterone. Yeah Melatonin actually has a nice like it starts to creep up like when the sun goes down. So it's it's it's released as a response to the absence of light or bright light at least and so it starts to creep up and then it kind of persists it stays elevated through the entirety of our sleep But then if you're you know and then it comes down just before we wake up and then cortisol rises actually starts rise just before we wake up calls actually energizing hormones. Involved in energy release in the body is a cadillac hormone so like it releases and breaks down energy but but yeah by avoiding bright light at night In voiding eating late at night especially like highly refined carbs carbohydrates generally generally wanna eat primarily during the day or in the post workout window eating carbs late at night. I mean it's a little bit of this is speculative but INSULIN INSULIN. Sort of oppose growth hormone which is one of the Repairing hormones that we get this sort of pulse of early on in sleep so we want to make sure that We're not eating CARBS. You know especially too late at night Carbohydrate like insulin also can interact with a an enzyme called insulin degrading enzyme in our brains which is responsible for helping. Clean our brains up of this These proteins that can accumulate informed the plaques associated with Alzheimer's disease so There are many ways to honor your body's innate rhythms light plays a huge role and then also as I mentioned. Food is an another is sort of a Secondary Time Center. It's it's primarily the time. Cetera that Your periphery or body uses time data. So if you're adjusting metabolising your body. Basically assumes daytime so that's one of the reasons why I think it's probably ideal to not eat that much after sundown which is not super practical realistic for people living today. We're not waking up with the sunrise. We're not going to sleep at sundown. The generally the recommendation that I make which I think is a cre- Reasonable and practicable practical recommendation is to not eat for two to three hours before you go to sleep So you know if you're going to bed at ten every night I try to cut off your you know your food consumption at about seven if you're going to bed at midnight in a more reasonable You know Goal they got. This is an actionable stat. Right there to let's talk a little bit more about the law specifically so he talked about biology. What else this one by the way. I'm only like back on Monday. Not I got into my kitchen. Choose upon the book so it's now Friday a rating but I'm not sure yet all good so I mean circadian biology. It goes into nutrition. There's different nutrition Principles advanced in this book. I talk about the release of nature. Temperature super important. I talk about environmental toxins. Which I think is a big topic of now. Yeah Yeah I mean. There's a whole chapter where I talk about You know compounds like it's a an phthalates and Heavy metals and things. Like that and my goal is not to like fearmongering but to just kind of get people to think a little bit more critically about their environment in the chemicals that are routinely exposed to You know I mean I'm not afraid of chemicals. Like dill is made of countless chemicals. You know so that's not it's not to instill Cuma Phobia and people but I think that throughout history if you look back there just too many examples of industry foisting a you know a molecule or compound like into the marketplace and only later we realized that it has led to unintended consequence. And I think that it's just I think you know where your health is concerned. We should take fewer risks and So minimizing your use of plastic. I think really important Being aware of like flame retardants where flame retardants are used in. Your furniture may be you know buying furniture if you have the option to do that. That don't use flame retardants You know I talk a little bit about organic versus conventional in my thoughts there You know as far as we're GONNA Chris. Conventional is sort of a you know a hierarchy like if you don't have access to or organic like by conventional is absolutely nothing wrong with conventional and You know you can rinse your produce. And that's very effective in terms of removing most pesticide residues. But it's right tip guys. Just just repeat that one. I want to rinse your proves you. WanNa raise your property. Can't afford organic. Don't feel guilty about it or visit that Richard and it was like when we go game changer. Yeah but here's the thing if you can like I am fortunate I can afford to buy certain things were getting. So if I'm eating the whole leaf or the skin appeal. I buy organic because I think that that's supporting a somewhat healthier farming system I think that the food. It's not going to be more nutritious in terms of nutrients You know the actually organic versus conventional you'll some vitamins that are hiring organic. You'll see some minerals are higher in In conventional generally Organic is going to have less than certain heavy metals cadmium and more polyphenyls and so how polyphenols Interact with our biology. You know it's not really a settled science but we expect them to play beneficial role because they're these compounds that For example Davidson cleric. Who's a zoological researcher talks about having eating stressed out plants and the fact that A stress how plan is going to create more of these funerals which actually make us more robust from the inside out because they sort of. It's really cool hypothesis that he talks about David Sinclair That this That when we eat stressed out plans like plants that have been exposed to environmental stress. Whether it's like fungus or rodents or drought that they become more robust they develop more of these polyphenol compounds. Which then kind of signal to us when we eat them that the environment is like you know that there's some like in the environment and so it actually signals to us to become more robust and resilient and so I think it's like a great It's just so cruel and on spiring you know but one of the reasons why I think it may provide value if you can to Reach for organic. You know absolutely I get that question Tom. More of I can't afford and I feel these questions. You answer in this chiefs lobby all these awesome things. We'RE GONNA go to a break as we talk about puddles as we do. That enjoys mushrooms. The young man mushrooms that France June. I love mushrooms man so good for you. I was totally thinking of what was was the mushrooms and bitter Gugans. Exactly why said it strengthens it? They strengthen your immune system and people who eat mushrooms eventually have reduced risk for dementia. So I I think I'm just gonNA carry Max around all the time because whenever eight something can be that person on my shoulder saying you're having this business this this dude so good. Morton's always learn that like mommy. Slaves Saga isn't just super tasty. The most salty garlicky on neon like this is so simple. I didn't do much man like people talk about Tom. How do I make my plants to spend more sexy body sexy sexy food right there but as you talk about food we can talk about sexy? Max Zero Because he is single. Let's let's talk a bit more about your podcast in how it relates to the Janus Law. So you get some guests on them sometimes. Talk about yeah talk you talk about a man While Zoa I love as I'm sure you do I love to. My podcast is a great platform. Dance to talk to people. Make connections Yeah I mean I primarily focus on health and wellness related topics. You know keeping a pretty high level at times been doing really deep into the science had PhD's and MD's on it. But I'm not I don't exclude people without credentials because I think that everybody. Can you really sort of your good interviewer if you ask questions learn from anybody absolutely and You know we're all on this journey together and we're all Kinda just grasping at straws meaning truth and And so yeah it's called life and I really. I really value going to do it. It's it's really well. I'm super grateful for that. That's but yeah health. Wellness stuff trying to broaden out to like 'cause you know I'm living at genius lives acknowledging that we are not You know that we we contain multitudes. Right we are. We are not singularly focused in our personal lives. So I always been at this idea that we need to be singularly focused in our in our professional lives as well. So I plan on having Comedians whose work I value on it. I love talking to some of my favorite musicians artists creators. So yeah it's kind of like a it's much broader than the book But Yeah I really I love it. It's awesome man. I think it encompasses you start to realize the podcast you can. Compass lower your personal like values in life like. I'm actually interested in a Canadian. I wonder woman you get them on. I was personally interested like irrespective the book I WanNa get. You wanted us to chat about suffering. I'm willing to learn Ryan. That's always why people say you learn about cooking. Today I learned about the Brian. Essentially and I learned how to you about fresh herbs versus what dried herbs exactly. Yeah put fresh herbs in later in the cooking process it. They go see so obviously. I is make sure you subscribe to match podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcasts like this one But also yes so the book itself matter you doing a tour right now with the yeah here to New York to impress Tv Shows Arkansas man. But it's not like a huge thing you know like I think what's cool about the media landscape today is that we can do a lot from our homes. I'm slightly bond. Do podcasts from home. So I'm excited to get back to a to L. A. I Love New York. I grew up here but it the city kind of has like a bittersweet connotation to me. Because it's my mom. Spent you know all of her life. June You know it's really. It's where I moved back to be around her and then she passed here so it's And you know my whole family used to live here in my family lives in L. A. So it's is seventy bittersweet by them but it's a great city and you know it will always have like a part of me and my family. So that's awesome. Yeah that's to do quick around them or the the Max morning tain what's maximum man. I wake up. Ip Nice that could start today test out the pirates. And then I go to In my kitchen I drink some water. From reverse osmosis water purifier. Nice Nice clean water technical in how debate y'all usually go and I'll try to like stretch next to my like windows at slide open to get that bright light into my eyes and then forcing morning you know. Sometimes I'll do coffee sometimes. Not I'm like kind of re re framing my relationship with Avi generally. I love it. Okay but I just think it's like I try not to drink it every single day because I don't want to get like dependent on it. Actually interestingly this week in New York that have been have been actually not drinking coffee and you feel okay about it. I feel great. That's about it because the thing is coffee doesn't create energy from thin air. If you're if you're if you become dependent on it borrows it from later and a really wide. Yeah and so. I've been like I've got like back to back meetings set up and so I can't afford to be borrowing energy would just rather be my baseline energy level See US morning routine often. I'll often go workout in the mornings. I love to. I love to have that morning. Festive workout Nasrin. Man That's awesome. That's that's a really cool. I love the terminology behind barring energy as well. We should probably reflect not a low low. Tom How does Mac controlled controllable. So he day is the only things that we can controller will. Tell me get really frustrated. We some of the things that we don't So how do you control the control? Remind myself that if you have a problem and you can fix it. Then why were you can fix it? And if you can't fix it then why worry about it? That's exactly the advocate. I can't my favorite if Max was a food and ingredient a meal. What would be in? Why Oh man food and ingredient or meal damn you know what I like I'm a big fan of his. Tie Soup Tom. Cau- yeah and that my I don't know if I'm putting myself in a box. It's hard not to put yourself in a box and you are likening yourself to a food. But I've always thought of that food. That food with that soup was like had all these like unique and different flavors and the balance is really what makes the food. The food the soup come alive. It's like little bits hours will bit spicy. It's a little bit sweet. It's complex it's soothing though. I feel like maybe I don't like the Tonka of humans. I love that. I mean estimated. Tom Kelly. Gosh just think you're eating. Max. I just like to take on a whole bit of absolute education. What's your do you have is probably going to be a really hard question. What is your favorite part of the genius? Life my favorite part of the genius life. I big I really love the CH- It's hard to say man. I'm just proud. Overall the synthesis of all these different ideas into one Also like fitter than genius yet is nuts. I yeah so I think it's more concisely. More concentrated more powerful guy. I'm very proud to use of course but I think this is a proud of how concise have been able to make all these different topics which as I mentioned could easily fill up their own volume. And if you have one person radio book any books it alive who would be? Oh man one person I don't know probably like my favorite musicians. Yes right now I was. I was GONNA think I was GONNA say Donald Trump right. That'd be there you know. Yeah my favorite ours. That's awesome man. Well anyone who has obviously got the genius book already wants to get Janus live on if you haven't makes you if you have no doubt that if you're someone who's been you know thinking about your mommy and thinking about your day and also think about your life in general and how you should not necessarily just better learn more about yourself. It's a fantastic. You know I guess a Prequel and the sequel to what is so important for us to understand more vassals and how he will pray and in both of she get so genius life is now is it. Yes preorder or you're gonNA order it. Rather genius life will dot com or or Amazon anywhere. Bibles and I do believe that book. Depository ships globally free here in Australia. You GOTTA GET UP EARLY. Social Handle Max. Google guys Pranab maximum tonight Dan. You'll be pulling him up now and check mound socials and learn a lot more his I as I said I bought a month and I just wanted to learn myself. So Max thanks so much. Thank you for sure.
CIPYD 54: Shadi Petosky and Alpine Mastiffs
"Is there a dog Anna car out of bar on the street? That's a dog that we really want to me. Hey cannot patch. You're here. Doll with Rene and Allegra. Welcome to can I pet your dog. I'm Allegra Ringo a dog owner emanate covert a dog wander producer Travis McElroy, guys. How we doing? How's morale? I'm way better. Now, I'm feeling much. Yeah. You know, I'm mostly packed up at this. Do you have we never see you cranky? What does it cranky Travis? Look like, oh, there's definitely. I'm a fairly good actor sure, you know, for me, it's more frustrated, and I get very touchy. But I I, you know, glad you ask a thank God. It's about time. I learned very early on in life by which I mean, like twenty two. The best thing to do when I got frustrated and like kind of touchy to just get really really quiet and just like just sit there and not yell about it. But like make very clear that I am not interested in talking right now through body language and tone of voice smart. It's my oh, I know of your crankiness is you telling me, you're cranky. But I've never actually been like, well, there's a difference in Allegra. Really? Yeah. That's very kind of you actually funnier when you're crazy. That which is very kind. Creek you like ninety percent of the people in this podcast. Like, you guys are too happy. But I feel like it's just because like I'm having fun when I'm doing the podcast like me and my daily life if I can count on like a staircase. I will seriously say like why is this so hard? Why is it so hard about little things twenty times shooting for me when I moved from outside to inside on a hot day, and it's not air conditioned? What's the point being side? This is the worst. That's also with the heat lately when I step outside just go. Oh god. It's so bad. It's just not like going out walks with Jack I have to wait till like seven eight pm because it's so hot. Yeah. But I will say this cranky 'cause my house it's getting unpacked. Hey, this that makes me I will say my favorite moment of legs being cranky. Was we were walking possess show. We came down to the main room where the mail is delivered. And there was a package with her name on it. And she goes, well, what fresh L is this. I'm always so excited. And then you're like, yeah. There was providence absolutely spelling out the bed, and then you were excited. I can't remember what it was. It was like an antenna or something you need to make your life easier. Good. Doc about now from Karen Easterbrook. Pair of dog socks. These are mind, the pugs, I assume since these are the men's socks God, you guys can decide some air airedale terriers, this you definitely made I will happily take airedale Taylor. No current. Thank you. I think you are incredible chihuahuas with little above that. I let is the company socks and Smith bamboo crew don't know. Oh, I don't know is sucking Smith. Okay. Saw Chuck Smith or maybe just suck Smith. I don't either way. Crin? 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We talk about dogs. We do it. Okay. We covered crankiness we covered a Allegra John. Did it okay legs? What are we doing? Okay. I know that you have a dog you well dog you again this week. Yes. But to neutral, I held a whole new. So it's dogs. We met this week. But it's dogs. Renee, tot a new Doug new trick to grace. Title. Speaking of great segma- titles. Have one tentatively call advice corner in which I'm going to give advice for first time owners in on our of Mayan possession does industry which is today. Thank you. We also have a mutt. Minute on the alpine mastiff. Yes. You do that is not we will take no non-response. And we also have guessed shady Petoskey. She's a producer of danger, and eggs and produce yoga Gabar Stokes. I can't wait. Wait. Are you? Right. Get into. Yes. I saw dog for the second time. His name is Finn. He is a golden doodle. He is the proud new member of the family that babysit. So now when I go to babysit there is hash hold us. Any now probably probably getting closer to four months. Okay. Just the best Knowsley bigger from last. Yeah. It's growing like a weed the friendliest sweetest most. Well, tamed dog you've ever seen. Really? It's a little bit. It's not this dog does not now at all. I think it was. So again, this family is wonderful. She did tone preparation. The reason they got a golden doodle is the mom at a bit of a bad experience with dogs as a kid, and she was like, I don't want my kids to be free to dog. So she researched like the bust family dog, and what you came up with was golden doodle. And then she read all the books of like how to train it make sure that the family all gets along. And what they have done is that when the dog starts out they give the dog at toy. That's really plays on the it. But the dog like no longer about is just not an option. That's great. I should add that to my list. That's great vice for especially the puppy owner. That's a really smart either just another and in just the best. So only thing that's bad about this is I sat down with Finn for thirty minutes in about twenty five minutes into this. I was like what where the kids. Sincerely. Sincerely. Not a good babysitter. Don't bring into. Listen, let me tell you what I did. So so I actually densely was pending Finney. And then I drifted my hand down his right eye. Any like close it for a second. And then opened up again, I was like. So I kept doing over and over again. And when I did it was like who's good looking, and then he would close his I fully, and then he'd open it back up. And then I give him a treat every retreat. And then I started just saying who's good looking. He. Taught this talk when he say who's good-looking he'll wink. Command that's a much better command than wink that was good looking. But I think when I was petting is little and so gentle so gentle, but like his little head. We'd go down. So it looks like a drunk like I am. And I guarantee owes nothing to do with my training has do with. This breed is just really smart eagerly with your training. Dog trainer. Is that the proper way to do it? You just mimic the behavior over and over again that you take away the gesture, and then you just say it. I mean, it depends. It depends on what the dog response to basically because you can so ideally it's something the dogs doing on its own. You can then be like, okay when you do that. But then ideally, what you're trying to do is get the doctor the behavior without you having to like do the things to like sit where you hold it over their face back with until they sit down then you add in the command. But really if the dog response to thing I've seen dogs pick stuff up on like the third time over sure crazy. It was crazy. And then he retained at least for four hours because parents came home. I was like can actually go to. And then they were like, yeah. That's awesome. That's a great. He's good looking. And if you're listening. Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. Good looking now, I spent a good amount of time looking for they have golden doodle rescues because I guess everybody who researches such as popular Breeden. It's so great. And even though it's a great dog it maybe it's delivered dog. I guess the golden doodle rescues or a plenty because a lot of families get them for Christmas. And then they're like oh Oso requires some. To get like baby, alligators, whatever that thing is not something. But it turns out she didn't turn into huge. But she does turn into a pretty good dog. Maybe maybe golden golden doodle is my pick of the week or dog. I wanna get that's pretty good. That's pretty good dog. And then I'm want to name him sheriff sheriff, that's very cute. I it's a very like nineteen fifties name putting so too. She's just a sheriff of the house who winks slowly. Caller, share share it. That's good. That's fine. Okay. So state I share the dog who wink slowly dogs. We'll meet. Yes. We were on a crazy binge of dogs. We are just to do we have to what do we have to now easily to one to one wisely? Okay. We'll see how this one goes out. And maybe we get to. Let's see you tell us about the pine master him ready. Are you ready? I am your time begins now. All right and artist rendering of the alpine massive on first assessment, according to me looks like Saint bernards head on new faucets. Body extinct dog breed was a major contributor and the modern mastiff as well as Bernard. The alpine mastiff was one of the earliest breeds of dog to reach Gant excise originating in northern Europe before five hundred BC the largest dogs may have reached over three feet tall from the shoulder and weighed listen to this three hundred and fifty pounds just nuts. They were referred to as bridal dogs indicating. You could actually ride them insane. The names pine massive and Saint Bernard actually used interchangeably in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. The outline mastiff was bread with variety of other large dogs. And then the composite of that dog breed was than a fishery called the Saint Bernard. And the alpine mastiff became extinct though. Super cool news since the nineteen seventies. There have been efforts to breed back. The alpine mastiff they're trying to bring them back mainly by using Saint bernards. Great Danes, great parodies and the Burmese mountain dog one. Oh, seven I think we automatically get more for Judy extinct. I like that. Yeah. Because there's a lot to cover to cover, and there's like no one you don't start with like the base knowledge of like, we all know what this looks like sure. Like we deal with now times. And again, it was just artist's rendering because we didn't have photos of it. But yet every one of the literally looks like Mafa like muscle structure, his body everything and then just little Saint Bernard face. I had last week when I got when I did the sailors Willie dog I got into a black hole of. Wikipedia entries, and I got to the list of extinct dog. And this was the first one clicked on it. And I thought you would like it because I knew it had these gigantic food. Oh, it's the best. Insane thing I will have to say I did take a slight detour because there is a breeder that is an alpine California and their website is L pine masters. Still some people are trying to bring them back. Right. Maybe it's possible. A three hundred pound. Can you imagine? It's insane. It's nuts. So I guess what they were saying was it was it became popular specifically in Switzerland. When they had they have a whole pass that goes over the Alps of Switzerland called the Saint Bernard pass. Oh, and then they also have the Saint Bernard hostas hostile hus-. I think hospice, but it's a hostile. It's just where you can stay. Oh, they bred these dogs because initially they regard dogs, but then the also needed mountain dogs going over the past you get stuck had to give dunks. The cool isn't that what the Saint Bernard kind of myth with the cast of thing around their neck, which I don't know if that I ve alcohol parts true. But I did think they did go rescue people. Definitely crazy nuts. Nuts. Also, very interesting. That's very cool. I also didn't know that the alpine massive and Saint Bernard we use interchangeably in the day. In fact, if you do mouse, a lot of times just Saint Bernard comes up people who are still contemplating. Yeah. I did think when I looked at briefly that picture that they just looked at Saint Bernard. They do with the lines a little bit because we have put it looked like imagine. When you see a hundred fifty pound dog, right? That's giants giant three hundred fifty out of control. You could write it. Yeah. I do want to ride one of these definitely the second. I thought I was the first win bridal dogs was introduced to me. I'm just like how wearable about? Yes. Purchase. Sent you. That could be. Look, I can't have a dog my apartment what if in Pailin, and basically it's going to love, but they did have I I don't know what it was called bridal dogs, and then they had a bridal dog. And then there was a saddle probably for a kid, and I was like just you just work backwards. I'm gonna buy the saddle we'll work our way to get that done. The only method that makes me said. Got to Jack. We'll give me a great one to do. So thank you. I have yours. It was brought to us by Tullia Twitter. She send us a picture. The don't I was just like what issue recommending called P B v g it stands for. And I'm going to give you my best French pronunciation K petite, the say Griffin VIN deal. It's but because of so ridiculous. You know, what are you doing Fong? I know that I recognize that part of the part of Brussels graffman things. And then when I looked at it because I was Jesus giving you something early. They already have dogs wanna one about it and the P GB or whatever they were just like his hard to say. Hard to use the initials yesterday, commonly known as that meant to I've never heard of this. I'm very excited. Cute. It looked it. Kind of looks like gold noodle. Good work, my way, I see big Rene. You're a cat. All right. You guys legs has a brand new segment for a celebrating. Her infestation is third or fourth anniversary, happy and triggers. The song this happy anniversary happy anniversary anniversary happy anniversary come on. I didn't know that one. Let me here. Here's I used to know the Red Lobster theme song. Let me sit on it. Let me see. Lobster. No, it's all of it's day to day and the olive garden. This is our news thing. Okay. Advice corner that was a real like placeholder title. I put it to Rene and Travis in the last five minutes. Yes. To come up with a better title. And while we were doing minute Cava, stick a little stab at it. Travis. What have you come up with three different ones? Okay. Great. The one that I said before was pause for a fact, but I don't think that's as on point as these to drool school. Favorite and from scratch. Oh, great your school winter. That I didn't like. Brad one what it was about into listeners between drool school or hey, guys. Let's have a hound huddle house. You guys. You guys Powell I'm gonna for now. Okay. We can always change the name later could be a different segment, I think both are pretty cute. So it is mine. Pistachios four th anniversary today. I I will say I'm on much better terms. Touchy. I got my act together and well just moving with both both got used to moving. I realized that yelling at the inanimate boxes in my home was not helpful to anyone especially at a dog of new cash short. So I took a setback. Instead of said, please be a good dog. Mom, you idiot. You're not an idiot, you stress funny. Because when I first got a stash, oh, I was so stressed about it because I was really naive, and I just didn't know that like getting grown dog because I didn't get a puppy foolishly thought like ground. It'll probably what I say not true at all. And just give it an extra set of keys. He'll go out. Exactly. You know, I really thought. So it's kind of a throwback to that recently because possession has a little bit regressed after the move short more skittish, and like kind of more scared just like she was when I first got her. And in both cases, it was because she's like, what are we doing? I don't know how many chain only getting on -actly. So in honor of that. I feel like I was very naive. First time dog owner and people often ask us, what advice do you have for first time dog owners? I have some I also pulled our Facebook group because I figured they would have a lot of good answers. It's great. So I wanted to if you're getting a dog, here's a little round one or reminisce like Allegra house or did it used to be? L? I mean, these are good for dog owners also reminders to me. It's like come on for you. Hot you, stop doing this. Because you've got lazy again, I love this. I am. So proud of you. Why are beautiful listener? Of course. Okay. Here's here's the consensus like round up the points that were made the most offshore for first time dog owners create train early. I think that's a really good one be consistent. Someone said if you can't be consistent. Don't do it. I think that is such good advice. If you're going to be like someone said like if you are going to have a rule, there's no dogs in the kitchen. You gotta make it no dogs. You can't slide back on it something with all the time. I'm eating something really healthy that I'm just like the rest of the salad, then I'll I'll toss it to the talk. But then if it's something really good like fries. I'm like, no. You can't have any. How what are you doing? You can have this. Yeah. Here's the thing doesn't important that if you do that. And here's the thing I feed buttercup from my plate. I do fine. And what I don't get to do do that is get mad when she begs from like, Nah, I sat a precedent. I know what's up. She hasn't begged from Theresa trees. It doesn't do it. And I only do it like if something falls off my plate or hits the floor like I give it to her. But she knows that's going to happen. So I can't be like what why would you expect that? Now, it's really I it's really hard. Honestly are million things. I have tried it institute and just gotten too lazy to do it short. So I think it's like that's the advice that I like, yeah. I needed to start doing. It's what makes the stopping the dolphin jumping. When people come in the door. So that makes us so hard as how do you be consistent when someone else is like interacting with the dog? It's which is another good time to drive home. If you're visiting someone's home with the dog, and they say, hey, please don't feed the dog say like, hey, don't want to jump up on. You don't do it. Because the dog doesn't it's not like a kid where the dogs. Like to play around with uncle, Steve like, no it ruins training. Now. It's very hard. It's very hard. This is a good piece of advice, like just yell at your friends and tell them she'll politely ask them. Hey, here's that Travis found a great way to do it. Like he would text me before I came in. He's like, hey. Yeah. Have to chill out. And we're about the first nine months we did that. And then did you give up on me? Great now you walk in. And you're like, okay, you're also now she's gotten a lot better about non Trumpy people. Yes. Also true. Yes. So that's a really good one. Another good piece of advice attire dogs. Happy dog. That's very true. Definitely if you want just a happier. Easier to deal with dog tire out it works. Every time. Really smart great socialized with dogs and humans early and often get them used to other dogs and other humans try as best. You can have them have positive experiences with boats. Obviously someone that's out of your control do as as much as you can it'll make your life easier in the law of smart both on and off leash to dogs in interact differently at a dog park. Then they do like butter cups flying with other dogs have a dog bark. But on a leash because of the restraints. It's a different energy. So do both is very trail Israel reward, good behavior, ignore a redirect bad behavior. That's really good distracting dogs. When doing something bad. I've been trying to do that with the Sasho when she barks at new sounds is just be like, hey, let's practice sitting in staying and laying down. Let's start. It's like a distract. It's better for me. It's better for her. I'm not like mad, and she's not just barking at nothing forever. That's incredible human advice. Crato true. Yeah. I know so trail, and here's the last one, I think Jerry important don't freak out. You're going to be okay. It's harder. I it does get better. This is advice to my past self. It's advice to dog owners. It's probably advice to child parents. But I'm not gonna take that for sure. I was so freaked out when I first got a stache EEO, a when she didn't do exactly what I wanted to when she wasn't like reading my mind, right? And be when she seemed like scared. I just assumed this was going to be the way it was going to be forever. That's not true. Then it will take a while. I think give it more time than you think you need to give it, but they will adjust. You're going to their true personality, not at first, but it'll come out. That's and they'll be way more annoying lovable. How did you come to find out all of these exercises that do did you in breeding? Did you get a dog trainer? Did you did? I did do Eliza. Another piece of advice, do a basic obedience class beating class. If you can't I did that very useful. Even if you don't if the dog doesn't learn tricks at least learn more about how dogs learn exactly that's what I learned. From teaching the courses was like. Oh, yeah. We I thought I knew how dogs learned. And then I was like, no that's not it at all. And also something I think my trainer has said is that Dr training is really human trading. It really is like training you how to try to dog so cool. So yeah, that just like asking honestly trial and error to once I figured out at first I didn't want possession asleep in my bed. Because again, I was Lauren. But I thought that like I seriously put a little dog bed next to my bed and like toltar-. She was. My bed, and I was like. But then I also thought like, oh, no now she has to save my bed forever. No. That's not true. It's fine. Like ident- trained her sleep it or crate show untrained can. Thanks to you. I little bit which was a fly on the wall for the very first night being like, okay. She can see it's okay. It was a lot of me crying. Because I didn't know if I was being doing a bad job. She seemed really scared, and I was like this is my fault. And like, I was a man. Of course. Of course. I my buddy who's got sweet little Norma said the same thing for about the first month. He was like what? Very with buttercup because us she was incredibly underweight. So she was so chill. Slapped. She was sleeping like eighteen hours day. And we were just like all right? It's just the chillers, and then we put like five pounds on her. She just started doing laps around the house. Okay. He was just really hungry baby. Okay. Possession. When I got her. I was like I will take this calm Bartlett's dog. Please. Guess what an easy nice dog. And it was probably hurt either masquerading or being scared, then she's not a lover. I need me. When I knew we this segment is going so long. But and this could be a gap that we have later, but I kind of want to know about your puppy fever that you got because it is hitting so hard until I would say three to four hours a day looking at jobs that can make me afford to move and get a dog. It's nuts. I want. Let's I know. I don't know what to say about it. I assume that's how people feel when they really really really badly wanna have babies. Sure I wanted a dog casually. And then like, I don't know what it was like one day I can speak chosen here there. I think that having dog verse having a baby they're very similar, but so far in my life, or at least wanting I should say desiring to have one of either is that the difference is like with the dog. It's like, I I know that this will predominantly be fun with responsibility. Whereas the baby is I feel like this is what I'm supposed to. I don't know. How fun this will be. There will definitely be moments. Right. Like, I don't know that may be where like I think it'd be super fun. Yeah. I'll take her to the park can play games. Okay. Willing Devlin case not the baby but a little bit. The don't thing is just like. Yeah. No. That's what's going to elevate your life across the board because you won't settle for jobs. You won't do anything else. I was thinking about yesterday like buttercup is just like sitting in my lap pressing against him. She was like, yeah. This is awesome. This me very like grabbed her face standing there is. I was like I love all. Yeah. Really for me. It felt like so visceral. I guess that's why is doomed it was like similar the baby thing. But I don't know. It was like a point where I was like a dollar. And then like one day, it was like, I couldn't I couldn't casually browse adoptions anymore because it would make me cry. And it was like so it was still like powerful. I don't know what it was. I was I if it's visceral now, I just feel it. I will. So as long as we're still at drew school. I will say that my my biggest piece of advice. And I think it's a good example to talk about the difference between like a baby and a puppy, which is the baby you are raising to be a future human and the public will always be dog. So I think I talked with a lot of first time owners when I was a trainer that like one all these like astronomical expectations from this dog. Where's like, hey. You know that video you saw on YouTube of the gods like got their socks and a plate of eggs. Yeah. That's most likely not going to be your dog. Right. And if you go into it thinking, basically sit in the corner until I'm ready to play with it. And then I'm done playing with it. It'll go back to the corner. You should not get a dog you should manage your expectations. And know that part of like, I love buttercup for many, many reasons I love her. She's very well. Behaved ninety percent of the time. She loves me very much and all of that. But I love her most for her flaws. I love that she loves his stick her tongue in my mouth. And I loved like that I can watch her make faces as she tries to beg food from me. Like, I know that. And so that's the thing is like looking dog and say, what do I actually like this dog? And it's probably the thing that makes them special. They're different from other dogs. Yes. Thank you. Oh, I love that too. So it was still injury school. How are you tell everybody? How you celebrate your anniversary. I usually half. A hamburger. That on my friend Caitlyn's podcast people. And she said, oh, do either half said, no. Because I I just think all have too much. Do you do it Bucknell? No. I have had little but it's pointless. I get it from a fast food. It's really gross. You guys like don't. It's not. It's a special occasion. I get one like Jack in the box. That's year. When it was your third anniversary, you we were on our way to somewhere like maybe had just dropped something off. And it was in your per. She's like oh this possession. I think we were here. I think you're governor show. Maybe you're getting something out of your for his visit. I like all the first time I've had a hamburger and my. One time at the vent. I got burger. Senate. Put it in my purse. And then I was the coolest dog on the course. But b I was like all the other dogs are gonna come to our me on knocked me. I don't have enough. But it we didn't bring enough for the class. Yeah. So usually to that let me go to the doctor, and I love it. I just love it. Well, happy anniversary and great. And thank you to all of our listeners who contributed. Yes. Thank you so much. This was also there's a whole threat in the campaign. Your dog group. I didn't oppose it in the advice group, even though it technically belongs there. But it's a really great threat. There's ninety comments I didn't post them all didn't read them, obviously. But it's really really good. You guys so much mazing. You read them all we didn't discuss them. All. Thanks, guys. Your dog is sponsored in part by blue apron now Rene. Yes, we're on the street is blue apron got you to eat grilled cheese. It's so true. Teach. You hear what they did me this week? What that Cheney and cheese? It was genuinely surprised you guys. Like news to me, the grilled cheese. All the cheese, fettuccini and cheese. Maybe you staff, that's fine cheese deal. I can't even tell one how healthy I'm being because I'm actually making dinner three times a week instead of being like, oh, I guess chips and all the donuts seven eleven it's just and they make it so easy and the more. I do it the more. I feel confident of like, oh, this is gonna take twenty minutes. And it'll be so good. I agree. I had a spicy Ponzi glazed catfish tonight is this so fancy never attempt that on my own, but it's actually super easy super fancy. You. Look, cool, all your friends, and I still do panic of. Oh, I don't have the vinegar. And they've got it for you. Hang in there is there every time. This is fun for me. Yeah. It's pretty good. The ingredients or super good all the food is nicer than stuff I would make. And it's delicious some of the meals. They have available in August. They have some vegetable in Keene wobble with fairy-tale eggplants peppers and corn. What even is on delicious guide and have chicken Tikka tacos, summer squash and tomato salsa? He's fancy stuff you guys. But it's not hard. It's really it's so easy. And I also as such a food beginner. I don't know the quality of food except for produce. I'm very familiar with that man is it fresh good. So I don't know. I'm just really impressed with this. It's really it's honestly made me cook more and be smarter about my cooking. I didn't know you fish on the stove. No one fishing much better. You better. I do not know the first came fried. What's interesting is that I probably I probably make the fried catfish. Of course, delicious. I like weirdly this has to be testament of how good efficient it doesn't smell up your apartment. No, not at all this stuff. I was getting along the one time I tried to make fish. It was just like, oh, that's what we ate a month ago. We've all been there. You guys. You can also check out this week's menu, and you can get your first three meals free with free shipping. Go to blue apron dot com slash pet. Your dog you'll love how good it feels anti to create incredible home-cooked meals with blue apron, do not wait that is blue apron dot com slash pet. Your dog blue apron a better way to cook. Hey, max, fun community. This is your friend, Elizabeth Gilbert, author eat pray love and bunch of other stuff. I am a longtime member supporter and devoted follower of maximum fine. And now Finally I have my own podcast on the network. It's called magic lessons, and it is me coaching people through their creative issues and problems the season. We have to amazing creators that were helping through their joys and struggles of making something out of nothing and then bring in special guests Glennon Doyle, Melton Brandon Stanton. Martha Beck the poet Mark Nieto. Michael, Ian, Black's are Jones Gary shine guard. He's a mazing friends of mine to come and help coach these people so that they can get their work on hope you'll tune into it. It's called magic lessons, and it's all about love. This month's beef undying. That's what is on Olympic special recorded here on the name of each in Rio de Janeiro. We'll be tackling all the big issues should athletes be allowed to eat lamb should Olympic question. Roy is able to ride on a cow all these questions and more in this month beef and dairy network Olympic special finace maximum fundable. You'll put ghosts from. All right, guys. We're very excited to be here today with our guest shoddy Petoskey she was animation supervisor on yoga Gabba. She's also co creator and show runner of the brand new show danger and eggs on Amazon shoddy thanks for being with us. Thank you. You also lived out that her sister just got an assistant. Yeah. Verify. That sounds so elitist. You just listen. We're very impressed. And I think everybody should be properly impressed. Give deal should be context. That's fair. I'm not a lead. Est. I was just complaining about how my systems assistant didn't put my license plates on right? And that's why I was late. Just just a normal thing happen shoddy. I would love with you. All right. Okay. All right. All right. Oh, gosh. The best I want to rave about your work. But in doing my research for your amazing shows. I also got a hold of your Instagram. Cheers, adult called Warlock an awful lot. Could we maybe start with that? And then we'll work. Our way out is the first puppy in my life, morlocks not my dog. I've been Palmer's dog who is our director in danger nights brand new dog corgi, which people. I've only known one corgi before. And it was back. It was wrong. It was really it was really mean it was it was it had problems. The owners new had problems there really apologetic was big biter Iran Iran out in the traffic and got killed and the owners, I think we're okay with it. I thought corgis or. Problematic. This corgi is it's just a little. Yeah. It's a little bit. We're going to put it in the cartoon we episode. Yeah. Yeah. We rented an episode about eighty Bryant his on the show has a dog and a bunch of a bunch of actors on the show have dog. So we're doing a dog's episode the. It's amazing. And we don't know when that will come out just yet. Right. The dogs episode sometime next so long. Onto that. Also, that's not the only work dog. You have is that correct? There are four dogs in my studio right now. But I it's inappropriate for me to be on the show 'cause I know nothing about dogs. Dog lover saying well evasively like a dog like a learner like learning. Good title how to lake love again. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Or for the first time, I just like there's something wrong with me. First of all, that's. I never understood what it was. But yeah, I never had that much of a connection to dogs in only pretty recently the last couple years I'm like getting and maybe that's like an LA thing because dogs are gonna shove down your throat choice. But yeah, I read like that just always book the shiny pants book. Has this whole section about how much she hates dogs. Yeah. Yeah. And I read it before him deli. And I was like she's me awful person. But then I got it when I got here. And it's like I would choose really saying it's like I don't care about people in LA care about dogs. Like right now, we're having this. But, you know, look, I've had those friends, and I never met those people before that like walking down the street, and they'd just disappear and they're looking at the ground all the time in down in petting and full of love, and borderline personality disorder. Whatever connections create that. And then me as whatever personality disorder. I have or cocktail them. Does it didn't get that? But I now have fallen in love with some dogs, and there's three other ones in the office. We have Gus. Oh boy. Okay. Name. We love you guys. You should definitely do this podcast. Forget look at how happy you. When I just said. Base open. It could have also been we've never been. Thinking about the potential that names attached to a dog. I'm gonna just come up with random words, and you don't know which one is a dog's name or which ones just a word for something else and action. Let's do it. Dog laura. That's okay. Yeah. Didn't hit with either of us. Interesting dogs. Yeah. It is. It's okay. It's all right. Doug, Laura is the dog's name Laura got a dog who's already named Laura now, the dog, Laura, and it's it's great. It's Oregon very funny. The whole situation is great drywall. I like that. I know is just the scuff about like makes walls stand in the word via funny. Okay. The second that you've given Allegra the human equivalent of fake throwing tennis. Oh, okay. All right, ready. We're ready for the next one. Okay. Jeffrey. Yeah. Love it. Donald was a cereal. You guys think that's adore? Sure. Sure. She dog named Jeffrey. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm just you're not and then. Oh, shoot Bella. Great. That's solid. Right. Three. Actually now that I know the origin dog Laura has top rice. Yeah. I think that's hilarious, then gusts then Jeffrey and then Bella Jeffries, a serial killer. I know. Still. Laura, cuss, Warlock and Bella office. Dodds Abell is great Bellas a show dog is an airport dog like fellas ownership revising producer, and she brings Belet to the airport as a companion dot people who like get off the plane to pet it up now. Gnarly of me to ask you. What breed these dogs are do, you know, the breeds or is it easier to be like tell me this is. Okay. What's Velez breed? Drywall. I don't know there. I do I know corgi I know that both Gus and Laura are some kind of Choya, okay? I don't know Bella. Sure. Sure. Like, you know, like little macho small fucking, I mean, just Bella. That's really. Yeah. They're also I have I can verify this. I have been to your office. It is a dog paradise. It's very cute. It's a lot of people running around. And then there's a dog corner. And there's a little white dog named tofu whose only once great because there was like a surgery or something, I don't know. I don't doesn't come in more often one of our animators. And then I think other people have dogs just don't bring them in because they're not good with other there. Sure. But those those four are there all the time. And they're they're pretty together. Do they have their own little baby work kitchen got like dry food? And so. Plays. Little animation. Little cartoons as a little dog producer and a little. There's a little dog. They have what we what we set up for them is really cool is like beds. Sprat? Some bad that I've seen people turned into pillows for nuts. That's when I say people need me. Of course. Of course. I bought a pillow. So. Anymore? Live in the Hollywood dream. I did what do you call them? David. Yeah. A little date bed. I need to take an app. Now, did you grow up without at all? No, okay. That's explains my shorts. Sociopathic inability to love. I like dogs. So I'm from Montana in dogs were like, what mean do had the only people. I know there were no little dogs. Everybody was like Doberman pinschers or like wolves. Sure. Then dogs at huskies. Right call there. And then we'll and then. And then like, maybe a lab every once in a while the most people like most outside farming kind of dogs, and like not great or kind of just too big. And it's like a sensitive kid, and that afraid, you know, did you because of animation? Did you have any animate like Snoopy or Scooby doo that you're like, I can work with that really inheriting? No. Care for it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think I ever get new Pluto about goofy. No, I was late in life leverage that no I didn't know about that. But I was we've been had. I was a kid. And I like I was nicer, but I didn't care. She just made me feel like neutral. And then like sometime, I twenty's. I don't know what struck me. It was just odd fever. I wasn't was a I fell in love with with the dog. Right that romance in college. Did you follow enough with specific Doug? I and that was the gateway dog. No, I nothing. Remember at least. That's an interesting question isn't interesting question. My memory. I wish I could tell you the day you're saying to like loving dogs. Isn't that weird you pregnant? No. I know I know this sound like a weird thing like that. Yeah. Does that happened to me with mustard? My whole life. Dog mustard. My whole life. I yellow mustard gross. And one day. I was watching a movie in my thirties over thirty. And I was like I want you want. It wasn't even funny. It wasn't in front of me. I was watching. I was just in my basement. I'm like mustard real bad. So I went and I got some mustard and I'd never turn back. What is you have it on? I don't probably like dog that that's real interesting. That is the snap story of ever heard. That was my mental break. Yeah. I was institutionalized. After that. Guest. That's got. These things happen. He's. I think I can glean the answer to this. But let's give it a go. Do you have any scenario in the future of getting a dog of your own gosh, what do you think that answers? Pretty busy. Busy will lot of people who have dogs are busy Shera busier. Yeah. I can't I can't imagine it. I thought about this on the way here yet. I was trying to come prepared told me to get a dog for this. We did. I didn't have time today. What do you what do you think shouting? Have you had enough of us to get out of here is it over we have one more very important. Got a little question for you. All right. We're going to give you the breed and sex of an imaginary dog. So for instance, if there was like a male nation, that's not your real one. But like that's Rosen's. If there was a kind of dog that was the sex. What was your name it? So what do you think? So let's go ahead and combine Warlock and Bella we just doing one yet line just one. So we wanna do a corgi Chihuahua mix. Oh, so rain, right. So theoretically, we've got a Chihuahua with great. But because those corgis got those nice, wobbly buts or we're gonna make Our Lady. What do we want to call her? Well, gender is an issue. Sure. Sure. And it's all about the, but. Drywall. Yes, I love a dog of this is pretty love. This emerald. Okay. You don't have to do. Don't breed that from me. Got exists already. It's fair. It's fair about mustard who are you sold muster interact. Take any word. During this podcast perfect. And it'll be a talking serial. No, not that one don't use that one foot cereal cereal. So cute or killer. Also true. Doglike time Ron all having a good time with that. Okay. You were a delight. Everybody listening is gonna wanna find you and follow you on social media. Where can they do it? Oh Twitter shoddy hausky and then Facebook Shatti husky and then Instagram should be perfect actually Panton. Maybe. Yeah. Chatty pants. 'cause I just found it. I think it might be your name. We'll see. Mall via might have changed it back, and it was unavailable for while. And can you tell us how to watch danger and eggs? Yes. If you go to Amazon Amazon prime you can see the pilot from now until the rest of the show comes out and the rest of the show comes out in. Next year, July August September. Okay. Yeah. Somewhere in there. I don't know. Nobody knows. Oh, really? Yeah. It's we're not going to be done with it until June of next. So yeah, I knew. You have eighty Bryant who else. Do you have? It's part of it. All yeah. Eric noble or other lead a museum provides air, and then so many awesome people. Jessica Cole who's really cool. Choose this is like we have this awesome. Catch Lori petty. Didn't. Us. So good. I'm blanking. Sided like all the time. How great the cast is Brennan Murray. Who else has come in? This is really cool. Yeah. It's a lot of people. I keep listening pictures o- telecom Ross who was on her stories like the mayor cool. She's really cool. I mean, there's so many people that are really great and don't put me on the spot. Shanti? 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Bonus Episode 4
"Hi Everybody I'm Dan Kleinman Editor in chief of Yahoo News and welcome to this bonus episode of Yahoo News Conspiracy Land a new podcast series on the murder of seth rich brought to you by skulduggery auguring. I'm here with my colleague. Skulduggery Co host Mike Jessica off Yahoo News is chief investigative correspondent and the host of conspiracy land and beyond a Gold Riga veteran news broadcaster WHO's reported for A._B._C. News C._B._C.. News is currently a C._N._N.. Contributor and our former colleague and Yahoo in these special episodes we will tell the story behind the story of conspiracy land explore the larger themes this tangled and tragic case raises and here from Mike what it was like to report on the seth rich murder as he plumbed the depths of Dark Netherworld of American political conspiracies each bonus podcast will be available with the episode corresponds to today. We're discussing episode four Fox News Fiction all right Mike Yesica beyond welcome back no all right so isikoff. How did this story get to Fox News well excellent question and I should point out that Fox News and Sean Hannity give the seth rich conspiracy the sort of ultimate push? There's a week in May of two thousand seventeen when Sean Hannity is shouting it from the rooftops doing segment after segment other Fox regulars Newt Gingrich Lou Dobbs. They're all all chiming in and what's their message this undercuts the Russia Hannity are you yes and look the biggest number one in cable news radio show and his radio show but what we do an episode for is examined the question. How did he get there? How did this story come about and there is an absolutely fascinating back story <hes> with all sorts of twists and turns about how this story migrates from what was then still you know the sort of fringes of the Internet the sort of all right sites to what is in conservative media as mainstream as you get Fox News News right and it starts with a guy named Ed boot Hausky in last episode? We talked about Jack Berkman the DC lobbyists Edward Hausky is quite the character. I think we call them quirky in his zone right Dallas money man financier manages <hes> the financial assets for professional athletes but he's like a political Kibitzer in Republican Party Conservative Party circles he <hes> watched the Republican convention <hes> from the box of Sheldon Adelson in Cleveland <hes> the <hes> biggest Republican donor of all he <hes> had a relationship with Steve Bannon had been on <hes> Amines Radio show a few times so they knew. Each other he had was on a first name basis with Sean Spicer apparently drafted material for the Republican National Committee when Spicer was the chief of communications so he had these relations and he decides to Guam lawmen to the seth rich case for much the same motivation as everybody else in conservative circles Trumpian circles did because if you could prove that it was seth rich who leaked to wikileaks you you undercut the Russia story you undercut the Russia investigation but one of the <hes> sadder parts for me was the role of Seymour Hersh you know one of my journalistic heroes a guy who has done groundbreaking investigations that I've admired for years from me lie in Vietnam to Abu Ghraib and in Iraq but you know Hirsch and we had him on our podcast L. Duggary at one point you know in his later years has gotten a little looser than he was when he was reporting at the New York Times any likes to shoot his mouth off so somebody tells boot Hausky to call all Seymour Hersh that Hirsch has stuff on the rich murder and Petoskey calls and of course secretly tapes the phone calls her Sh- doesn't know it and side shoots off his mouth and say Oh yeah you know I know l.. How this whole fucking thing started and you know there's all Russia thing? It's <hes> you know this is John Brennan operation. He invented it which is not really true and then he goes on to say he has a source told them that the F._B._i.. Had done a forensic analysis analysis of <hes> Seth richest computer infound communications with wikileaks so who taskey goes crazy about this like oh my God this is exactly what I'm looking for right exactly and he presses hirsch to give them a copy of the report Jordan says well. I don't really have it and more boathouse key presses the more her says look. I don't even know if this is true. What I'm telling you but petoskey heard what he wanted? He sends it to the rich family. He convinces the rich family to let him MM hire a private investigator on their behalf with him putting up the money Petoskey goes to the Sky Rod Wheeler of Former D._C.. Cop who is <hes> Fox News contributor and the two of them start conspiring in a way to develop a story for Fox News that could support the Seth Ridge Conspiracy Narrative and there's a discrepancy between what Ed boot Hausky says his conversation with the rich family entailed tailed and what they say came out of the conversation. He says that they said something. Along the lines of we know what our son did bright their version of that was we know our son and he would never do something like this absolutely and look. There's a discrepancy between what Hausky says and almost everybody else he talks to when you ask about provided you the audio of his tape conversation with Hirsch yes he didn't you don't have any of his conversation with the rich family no. But now that that was not for you know there's no tape of that but what we did do is we checked something that Petoskey had told both the rich family and Seymour Hersh on that tape phone call and that is he has a friend can't who met with Julian assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London during the closing weeks of the election and assange told his friend that seth rich was his source for the the D._N._C.. Emails now task has been saying this frears. We tracked down the friend because Metavsky didn't tell you who the friend was. You asked but didn't tell you you're able to track this track the person down because a although I discussed discuss this with route Hausky a another source Kutowski had talked to had identified the person and this radio talk show host Ellen Ratner and she fits perfectly as the person as the description description of the person that Petoskey had provided to the rich family and two Cy Hirsch her brother Michael Ratner the late Michael Ratner was the lawyer for wikileaks and he's passed away but Ellen Ratner for an her other brother the developer Bruce Rattener went to see assange in October of two thousand sixteen and did meet with him but when we tracked Ellen Ratner Down and asked about did assange tell you about seth rich. She said the subject never came up and in fact. She says she never discussed that she met Ed and a Green Room. Yes and her version of the story is they never discussed this either well. She never knew anything about Julian assange orange telling her about seth riches being a source because it never the subject never came up she did in fact meet with assange that part is True Jack but the key part turns out to be according to Era Ellen Ratner entirely not true so my tells more about rod wheeler because he's a colorful character. He's a key figure in the chain of the of the migration route from conspiracy land to Fox News right exactly so rod wheeler you know he was a Fox News contributor he would come on you know and talk about whenever they were law enforcement issues that Fox wanted to talk about now but he was cut you off but he was some of the stuff he was saying. It was crazy. He had this story about this. I love this about the pistol-packing lesbian gangs all over the country to regret attacking yeah yeah yeah I mean it was complete nonsense and he goes on Bill Oreilly at one point and talks about how Washington D._C.. is plagued by these pistol-packing lesbian gangs that are going around indoctrinating young kids into <hes> homosexuality and play a really important moment because it showed that Fox News and some of their anchors had a predisposition to either believe or at least propagate these crazy stories if you have a guest. He'll say what you want them to say. Hey you put him on the air. Although as we point out and we talked to a number of Fox producers and other people at Fox there was real wariness about wheeler for precisely that reason there was some people that just Ashley well not on the big you know not when it came to the O'Reilly's in the Hannity's in the bureaucracy of Fox there were people who had their antenna up about Rod Wheeler but then Rod wheeler becomes he gets hired aired by Bukowski as the investigator for the rich family the rich family that no contact with him at that point they didn't know Rod Wheeler from a hole in the wall and Rod Wheeler becomes this go-to Guy for Fox to put on to talk about the seth rich case where the interesting things in this episode which <hes> I hope people focus on his at some point we are goes to see the detective detective Della camera who was in charge of the seth rich case and writes up a memo in which the detective says they have absolutely no evidence that connects seth riches to death to his work at the D._N._C. at all and the F._B._i.. Hi as nothing to do with the case. I'm the Detective Della Kammer tells them I've never heard from the F._B._i.. They've never asked me any questions. They've never come to see the evidence in the case so there were some red flags about what Fox was about to report very soon based on what wrote the original claim from Hausky and Seymour Hersh there were red flags from the get-go on this but it doesn't stop the freight train quickly tie this in as we end here to the trump administration petoskey and wheeler ended up having a short meeting with Sean Spicer Yes yes and they and there are a differing accounts of what took place in the meeting spicer wooden talk to us. No surprise there boot Hausky says you know as soon as the subject of the seth rich case came came up spicer dismissed it and said you know I have nothing to do with this. You know I don't want to hear about it. According to wheelers version view in fact Spicer said <hes> here's my card you want me to set you up with the Justice Department. I'll set you up with the Justice Department urban so you know differing accounts as to what happened well in the next bonus episode. We're going to get to a key moment. Where another character a journalist plays an important role in getting this story to Fox News and turning it into from scoop soup to a P._R.? Nightmare exactly what is the true source of the Seth Rich Conspiracy Theory and who should be held accountable join us as we get to the bottom of it at news dot Yahoo Dot com slash conspiracy land and subscribe bribes conspiracy land on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts yeah.
Bonus Episode 6
"Hi everybody. I'm dan kleinman editor in chief of yahoo news and welcome to this bonus episode of yahoo news conspiracy land. A new podcast cast series on the murder of seth rich brought to you by skulduggery. I'm here with my colleague. Skulduggery co host mike yesica fiat who news chief investigative correspondent and the host host of conspiracy land and beyond drita veteran news broadcaster who's reported for a._b._c. news c._b._c. News is currently c._n._n. Contributor and is our our former colleague and yahoo in these special episodes we will tell the story behind the story of conspiracy land explore the larger themes this tangled and tragic case raises and here from mike what it was like a report on the seth rich murder as he plumbed the depths of the dark netherworld of american political conspiracies each bonus podcast will be available title with the episode corresponds to today. We're discussing episodes six collateral damage welcome back guys to our final bonus episode of conspiracy land and mike in episode six you explore the kind of political purpose of conspiracy theories but of course political purpose that still has devastating human consequences yeah absolutely look we start out with a guy who you kind of wanted to get into in this jerome corsi <hes> call him the dean of twenty-first-century first century conspiracy theorists. He's the guy that gave rise to birtherism. He's the guy who pumped it. Wrote a book about it. Where's the birth certificate advocate and you know we interviewed for this and one thing which i don't think was publicly known before his he was in touch with donald trump all during in this period two thousand eleven trump was calling him up for information leading ammunition that he could use to pump the completely -pletely baseless conspiracy theory that barack obama was born in kenya and his birth certificate was a fraud and in showing that he was born in hawaii. I didn't know that coursey and trump were in communication at the time we have that delicious clip from sam number her who we interviewed from skulduggery a regular podcast number was an affiliate in crony of roger stone was an adviser visor trump all during that period and talks about how i trafficked and birtherism i promoted birtherism knowing it was a fraud and you know his very response when i said are you proud of that. His response was is donald trump president. You gotta say at least <hes> they laid bare and come out and say political ploy. If you're looking for evidence that conspiracy theories survey purpose survey political purpose you know you can't get better evidence than that but look how high up that went. I mean you had president obama. I actually have to present his birth certificate. Yeah it was. I mean trump was out there going on every t._v. Show giving you know fuel to to this whole nonsense of birtherism and it distracted the white house. Obama has to send his white house counsel bob bauer out to hawaii to retrieve retrieve the original long form birth certificate and if <hes> mike back to the russia and the seth rich conspiracy theory at one of the things that you do brilliantly is point out the connection between the firing of james comey which turn the russia story you know into a huge scandal handle yeah and the supercharging these conspiracy theories exactly and that is exhibited be exhibit a was birtherism exhibit b. of how oh conspiracy theories are used are weaponized for political purposes there it is when does the seth rich story reach its zenith just at the moment that komi is being fired and muller's being appointed to do an investigation into russian meddling in the election and ties to donald trump so it is no surprise that one jerome corsi birther her extraordinaire pops up fanning the seth rich story very as well and we use this podcast of roger stone on info wars talking to jerome corsi and they're nonsensical theories about <hes> seth rich being the source of d._n._c. emails to wikileaks and what's so frustrating as a listener is the question of accountability accountability right when when people upend lives and families are shattered over what many knew going into it was a fabricated aided story or embellish story because it fit their certain narrative you talk about in this episode the legal consequences right because there were lawsuits filed wild on behalf of the rich family against fox news talk about where that lead because they weren't all victories for the rich family either. No i mean <hes> <hes> these lawsuits are still going on but just to sort of trace these as they evolve. We've talked about the rich family but in this episode we talk about aaron rich the brother who becomes the target of these conspiracy theories because aaron rich had custody of his his late brother's property. He had the laptop he had custody over his financial affairs and of course to the conspiracy theorists aaron must be covering something up. Aaron is concealing information and we talked to one of the earlier episodes about how jack berkman this was in episode three he was demanding that the dc police turn over to him a private citizen the ballistics report and other sensitive evidence from the actual seth rich investigation in in this case when we get to erin rich matt couch a guy who plays a prominent role in this episode internet conspiracy entrepreneur for in the ozark mountains of arkansas is demanding that aaron turnover to him. You know hey internet crank stir in arkansas the laptop the financial records to disprove the conspiracy theory and of course aaron riches. Why would he turn over anything to the likes of somebody like mad couch but when he refuses to do so <hes> ha you see there's a cover a cover up he's covering up and therefore and therefore therefore he's complicit in his brother's murder. He's obstructing the investigation into his brother's murder and just like like his mother. You see the torment and pain that aaron is going through an enduring given that his brother is now gone his best man at his wedding and he's now having to justify to people who he doesn't know he doesn't have to justify to what happened and he thinks that he can clear it all up just by sending a letter right right and he he writes this letter pleading with matt couch to cease and desist stop tormenting his family. Stop besmirching the name of his brother and what is mad couch do mocks aaron rich. He reads the letter <music> in this contemptuous mocking way and then puts it on periscope on twitter for all to read for all to comment on. It's it's really sickening when when you listen to the way these people like mad cash say over and over were again you show the cruelty i can't. There's no other word for it. The cruelty of these people toward the riches and coming back to ed metavsky the striking thing in is ed metavsky paints himself as a victim and the relationship with the riches. They're causing me is comfort and you confronted him on them. Yeah i mean look. What can you say but you know there is that i mean this was actually at the end of episode. Five where joel rich is is saying that ed petoskey was after all the after all the whole fox news fiasco and the story retracted and all that which ed petoskey at a played a big role in engineering that completely bogus story that fox took down he was still reaching out to the rich family and <hes> complaining that he was abused here and you know what i say to joel rich of so stunning to hear is you who lost a son. Your son was murdered and catalyses complaining that he he's the he's the party here and the manipulation used that you talk about an earlier episode as s two how petoskey was able to come in contact with the rich family going through jewish circles family was jewish women and a and there's a mutual friend right so that connection is wherein lies their first interaction and where mary says has this guy seems credible. He seemed credible to them and you know what did they know. They're grieving parents who just want to be left alone and they want their son's killers to be caught. They want somebody to pay for taking the life of their son and here are all these huckster. There's coming around offering to help them do that. When they clearly have a political agenda and aaron not only is going through this battle with couch but now you have the prosecutor signs now having to and she says to you how frustrating and heartbreaking it was for her to now have have to bring up these allegations bro with aaron whom she needs to she has to question now and and rich in the grand jury. I mean you know because does she wants. It nailed down because again. I think we talked about this earlier episode. She asked to be prepared to when they finally do. You know fingers. Angers crossed for them. Find the people who really did this murder. She has to be able to disprove all these nonsense theories that have cropped up up about the case. I should also point out you know in terms of the collateral damage. It's not just the rich family you have friends of. Seth rich who who have been targeted by the owner of the bar manager who takes is <hes> family for a white house tore his immediately accused of <hes> consorting sorting and conspiring about <hes> seth rich you have the neighbor who's been targeted by the internet boys at the move out of his house at one point i mean who come from airbnb because he was worried that somewhere that people would be going after anybody in his or that they would infiltrate would get inside his house and get access to documents they would show something. God knows what because mark mueller the neighbor he didn't. They were really know seth rich. You just happen to be the first guy on the scene lived across the street from where the murder took place the gunshots. He rushed out and saw seth breath rich. You know laying on the on the pavement in the road. So where does the investigation stand now well. It has been transferred to a new detective in the major. Did your case slash cold case squad so you know you hear that and you think cold case the riches who've talked to the new detective detective and there's a new prosecutor say that no you know the still an active investigation that the prosecutor and the detective talk about it every day. I think they're going back to that. Those housing projects in the neighborhood where there was drug activity where they suspected the <hes> armed robberies that was the source of the armed robberies that were going on in the neighborhood in the weeks before his death so the you know the richest haven't given up the cops have given up and ever signs hasn't given us with a little bit of a hopeful note at the end of the day despite this kind of culture sure of this anti snitch culture in washington d._c. That people will talk that people will talk you know on the one hand you could say. The longer time goes on the harder. It is is to solve on the other hand. She makes the point that the longer time goes on the looser people get in their own conversations. They got away. Okay with it and somebody out. There knows something and we can only hope that whoever does will report to the police and you know this long nightmare for the rich family will be over. I just quickly to come back to something that the ana raised a minute ended ago which is the legal question which is related to this question of accountability because you would think that the rich family would be able to bring a successful defamation suit but the law law has not really caught up with this kind of conduct no no and it's very complicated in the case of the rich of the parents joel and mary they sued fox they sued petoskey and their lawsuit was initially rejected by a federal judge on the grounds that in part that it was is there sun their deceased son who was defamed not them personally so you know the judge said there's no precedent and for them to bring this lawsuit but clearly and we have that excerpt from the u._s. court of appeals argument which was really interesting to listen to where at least one of the circuit appellate court judges was challenging that conclusion and seemed to be open to reversing the district court judge's edges decision of course you also here in that excerpt the lawyer for fox news a guy named joe terry from the law firm of williams and connolly the same law firm firm that used to represent you and me when we were at newsweek defending fox news this was a first amendment protected journalism and <hes> you the news organizations have to be free to be able to <hes> report as best they can even if they get it wrong and the the final decision asian on this case could have major consequences yes especially in this rave new world of social media where we're we're in today where all sorts of wild crazy and defamatory things get said about people all the time with no accountability which raises i think the point that you know ultimately the law is important but ultimately it's the it's the culture and it's politics <hes> they're going to have to change if final thoughts about this story about the riches look. You can't help but have your heart go out to the richest for what they've been through from what they've experienced. I mean it's it's hard losing your our son is horrible enough but then to have it you know his name sullied and dragged through the mud and these crazy conspiracy z. theories going on and on and on is you know is hard to imagine but also in addition to the personal story. I think there's an important story for all of us to consider in how we use social media what we read on social media and the way it can get get manipulated for political purposes. Let's not forget this all began with a russian disinformation plant so oh a foreign intelligence agency trying to stoke divisions within our culture and exacerbate tensions within our society plants this phony conspiracy conspiracy theory and then it gets traction because it serves a political purpose of one group of actors and i think that's that's something we have to be. That's not going to be unique to this. It's ongoing and it's something we all have to be mindful of well very well said and and <hes> this is a a truly important piece of journalism so congratulations to you. Mike thanks for joining us and everyone who's listening. Thank you for joining us on these bonus episodes of conspiracy land. If you haven't already done it go to <hes> apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts and download conspiracy land and tell all your friends about it tweet about it. Put it on facebook. <hes> really really important stuff. If you want to follow beyond a goal because <hes> great journalism you can follow her on twitter at beyond gold riga. Should we spell that he'll l. o. D. r. y. You've done this before the end the only one and follow follow skullduggery on ask duggary pod and thanks for being with us what is the true new source of the seth rich conspiracy theory and who should be held accountable join us as we get to the bottom of it at news dot yahoo dot com slash conspiracy land and and subscribe to conspiracy land on apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts.
115 - You Too Can Barbecue - Stubb's Blues Cookbook Cassette & More
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Sisters to get up to eighty dollars off. That's basically getting dinner on the table for less than nine dollars a serving for your first four weeks. Visit sun basket dot com slash kitchen. Sisters to get up to eighty dollars off today. People's I want you to sell it back relaxed jet for awhile. Ladies and gentleman. This program is coming to you live. Right out of the body. Got a very special thing here today on the kitchen sisters presented. We're talking about barbecue. This is the legendary Texas pit master step Stubblefield from his blues cookbook cassette. You know, they tell me that Columbus discovered America. Now, you're going to get an opportunity to make this stuff. And you ain't gonna happen. The ocean across ladies and gentlemen, quitting to term and who worked for stub in Austin in the nineteen eighties. When stub I started marketing his barbecue sauce out of his kitchen. He take Jack Daniels bottles steam off the label and put his own on it along with your bottle of sauce. He'd sometimes get a cassette copy of stubs audio cookbook featuring step backed up by the legendary Jesse Taylor on guitar. Program is finished. You too can say I am a cook. We went to dancing. Remember what we tell you? We're going to go without a numbers. We don't bear with full reloads sausage when maybe are in Texas gathering stories for hidden kitchen series. It didn't take long for just about every story to come back around to barbecue burger. Here's some perspective from one of our favorite, Texas writers, Joe, Nick Petoskey. My name is Joe Nick Petoskey in. I've been writing about Texas for the last thirty five years the way we cook goes back to this idea of digging a hole in the Graham, which is really our connection to the agents are Texas kitchens are not so much hidden, but out in the open that usually means a picnic table, and at the very least a cut in half forty gallon barrel, maybe on stilts, maybe not even digging holes and ground. That's something to all the heritage ethnic groups of Texas Mexican American African American and Anglo American shared that train of doing that. When they cook their mate, we do it outdoors mainly because the heat. Band. I'll done loan and save my so get that by U N eat my pill. Come back home pain bay. When we have how we we get silly shoulder. Make bid pan. Whoa. Mom ain't antiques. After the civil war. There were slaves picking cotton anymore. This army of cotton pickers would descend on Texas as many as four hundred thousand hot and pickers would move in a swarm starting in the lower Rio Grande valley and moving north as the cotton ripened mostly from Mexico. Lot of them lack during the depression, some of them poor whites Oki's as they call them when they got to German towns like Lockhart and Algan the number of cotton pickers was equal to the population of the entire town. They weren't welcome in restaurants. So where were they going to eat and in the German towns, they went to the meat market, while the cotton pickers walking into German meat markets, all the smoke meat and said, hey barbecue, and they supplemented that meal with crackers pickles. Onions, they'd go sit on the. Steps. Eat the stuff on the spot. They don't put it on a plate and give you a fork just put it on a piece of paper, and we think of this as some kind of German tradition, but the truth is without the cotton pickers. There wouldn't have ever been the demand for this mass production of smoke me. I'm rob Walsh food critic for the Houston press. And I write cookbooks about Texas. I was chocking down the street number one day one of my. My God like who decides speak? So I opened the door down in then a look across the car and saw the bad is bad. I ever say stop the price which about barbecue and music, you knew if he wanted to hang out while you're kinda people you got stub Chia bunch of picker jets. You know, it's like camel till watering hole and eat love mutations lose a kind of an archangel. I think what he was. That's what he was never been the same. And I'll never forget the man, and I'll never forget the name. It was the. Uncomedic I'll Gilmore and love it. The very first van that I ever played in was Jesse Taylor and John Reid and Joe Ely and TJ McFarland Jesse blues guitar player. Hey was living over in east Lubbock Lubbock very segregated even now and one day he was hitch-hiking and this big huge black man stopped picked him up. It was stubbed Stubblefield. He had a barbecue joint tiny little dive over there in Jesse started hanging out with stuff, and they just became close, friends and stub had the best jukebox in the world. And how often Bobby blue bland? You know, Latin hoffy is truly wonderful. See we have a bowl and get up. Good at some point Jesse said stub could I bring a few my friends over here and play some music is unusual for a white kid. A black man become close friends. My name is Sharon eighty and I was born in Lubbock, Texas. And then I migrated down to Austin with my husband, Joe ily. Don Colwell would come and play his horn stubs barbecue Terry Allen started coming down. Yeah. Plan and Stevie rive on even muddy waters and Tom t hall, Johnny cash, and all these people I never forget when Linda Ronstadt came, and we took her over to stab since she went and steps kitchen in the back in her little white phthalate reading the slippers and walked through the most barbecue sauce in crested floor. I've ever seen. Stabs was born in Navidad, Texas in his father was a Baptist preacher and stubs used to cook. In the army. He knew how to cook for lots of people. He had this deep beautiful voice just exuded love. And he would get up initially, ladies and gentlemen on. He was stubborn. I'm a cook. Oggy? Well, he was generous to everybody, but he was generous to musicians, and it provided a focal point heaven the place to get together and space around food. It's best around the love of these people for each other. And the end the kitchen announced is the kitchen is the place. Everybody gets together. Stabs would go around to all the different honky counts where all of you guys were playing and he would invite all the musicians over for Sunday dinner. He would go back to his little place in cook like Turkey and dressing, and he would sleep on top of his pool table, we'd find him asleep. The next day when all the musicians would come over and they're sunglasses. You know, stubs would actually have stayed up on cooking. He'd do that over and over again, just free. You know, he was always. Saying I want to feed the world in Lubbock, Texas, the other night and beer and about half tight me and Paul and Jim and again aimed Al we were growing pictures and writing songs sitting there talking before to wrong, Paul Ted will to move this party over the stub. I'm Tom t hall, and I'm strong later country music singer. We had an organization we call the IRS idiots. Rescuing stubs once in a while stubs would go out of innocent, and we'd all get together and raising money and putting them back in business Willie in this club and Waylon and people hung around Texas being stub first of all he had zero business since now mining. Yes, everybody tried to help him in. Eventually we got him to make some barbecue sauce in the kitchen. And then we take it out and sell it to help us all the way from Austin, Texas is CB Stubblefield known as. Stubs all stop. My husband Joey was invited to go sing on David Letterman. And then may got stuff's could come and cook barbecue, he prepared it on stage. How did you become interested in the the science the art the fun of barbecuing longer? My dad stay. Yeah. Eventually stuck ended up coming to Austin, a got his own club, which still continues, and as one of the main music venues here you now it's been long enough that some of the young people that work there, then stub wise. It's really great to kind of revive the memo. I never had any stuff. Great friends. I love him like a brother, but I never told him that I would've vegetarian I go around you from Brad and being, but it would just one stop this year that teaches the lesson if some. The brave day. In phases and stages. Circles and cycles seeds. On scene for my name is be spears play bass with Willie Nelson band started in nineteen sixty eight. When I was little bitty kid. I cooked a an Armadillo out in our Ford hungry accidentally shot a survey or hiding from the low why was raised very poor. And we had some little baby chickens and chicken scratch was like three cents a pound. These sparrows gland and eat all our chicken feed. And my brothers told me I had set on ground and shoot my dad's twelve gauge didn't see surveyors shot and the guy with the transit level screened, and my brother told me so you killed ING. I was dead man at six I was going to the electric chair in mind. So they sent me into exile. And I was out there for about two days. Eating armadillos. We were raised in between. Hello to sin Bandera. It's it's nothing there. We lizards sticks and rattlesnake I was hungry. Heck, I was nine years old for that beans, what meet my mother had Alzheimer's disease when it was first kicking down dad had a garden, and I was saying wow, dad, you sure got a beautiful gardens. Yeah. I've got a poll beings out there, and I've got peppers and some coal Robbie in my mother's going Korn. Tell them about the corn. I remember corn. My dad just kinda roll this is they say, yeah, we got some carrots out there. Spins corn Sam tell them about the corn kinda shake his head. Yeah. We got some radishes and cucumber. I remember corn. And he turned out looked at any said about the corn at the HEB me. Me said that wasn't a corn plan out there. So now, we get on the bus ie making Makino every year. Do we remember corn? If you can't remember corn and your bus. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, pride. Non we? Go vote through the main thing about cooking barbecue. And good barbecue. You got the have something to cook it on that. A barbecue pit, ladies and gentlemen. It's kind of like a beautiful woman. Picked the one you Bank. It's the most beautiful. Grab Gertie of Mela Monroe as long as it's yield. Seconds of that latest gentleman's the wood. Mosquito. Back into that is old. Remote? Would you can't find anymore? Hickory hickory is something that's almost the thing of the past like the Maltese fold next time. You're gonna talk about me. Very important that you know, what kind of. What as bug me? You know? You cannot it's up to chicken pork chop to. Beef beef Turkey Turkey for you have to have the right thing in mind, and believe me, you need to have the right thing in mind when you're making preparations for food. It's very important that you have everything you need. Right. Where you got it, right. In the pit area. You got your meat all cut up pay next time. We're gonna go to here. We're gonna built the chicken. Comedy thing. You find cooking a barbecue pit in home. It's chicken oppa for cooking chicken cut in half this way. You don't have all the little pieces food put the chicken on you have to watch. It. You have to love what you've done you have to have seen for what you. You have to really understand good set of highs and a good good set of. Beans to barbecues like, teen, Texas and Dion Dallas, they go together. Put them on pod watching. Sure, you got the rock and all that other stuff. Fat tack. And. Fail. They'll salt and ten dollars. Member Potter, garlic, masking, messin, whatever you decide. This out. You don't have. Things that it's declared delicious to your barbecue. One thing about being you got the the hydrate. The new gas out of going to get it all through the house at night one. Baking soda move out. All that easy sleep comfortable of night won't. Box. The kitchen sisters present this produced by the kitchen sisters with Nathan Dalton and brandy help mixed by Jim Nikki for more about stub Stubblefield and Oliver hidden kitchens, Texas stories and beyond visit kitchen, sisters dot org. You can also find out about her workshops and special events. And of course, our electric fingers t-shirt at kitchen sisters that were. On vein. A while. The kitchen sisters present is part of radio Tokyo from P R X. A curated network of extraordinary cutting edge podcasts created by independent producers. I want to the world. If you haven't heard it yet, the makers of criminal one of our very favorite shows have a second podcast. It's called this is love, and it was one of the most downloaded new shows of twenty eighteen honestly, the stories in this show will just make you feel amazing about the world they've launched their third season, and it takes place entirely in Italy. The first episode is about a tiny mountain town where since eighteen ninety seven people have come together to join something called the ugly club. We tell me what the criteria for being in the ugly club is what is the test. We have a card where there are different marks. It started with undefined and sufficient, medium, good, great and extraordinary. And of course, we talk about ugliness not beauty nece. So. If you are extrordinary admits that you are exerting every ugly. Would you give me the test course, of course, of course, if you want we can do it right now. Yes. And don't hold back. I mean, I would like to like a real critique here. Okay. And now we have to judge co listen to the whole story by searching for this is love. Radio.
A double down on federal force, a do-over on coronavirus
"The United States is in search of leadership. On many significant challenges, we face at this difficult moment in our country, and on two major issues, the handling of the coronavirus, pandemic and protests against racism and police brutality. Most Americans are dissatisfied with the leadership they've seen thus far as cases rise across the country and fears persist a Washington Post ABC News, poll found that sixty percent of Americans disapprove of president trump's handling of the coronavirus. Meanwhile polls also show that a majority of Americans disapprove of trump's handling of protesters and race relations. In fact, a Washington Post Charter school poll last month's should that alarm margin voters said it was more important to have a president who could heal racial divisions than one who could restore security by enforcing law this week. Trump seemingly started off with hopes of turning poles around, but his strategy has been somewhat perplexing on the coronavirus. Trump is seemingly attempting to reset. Almost start over. He's introduced. Coronavirus focused press briefings. He's even put on a mask a few times and tweeted pictures of himself, wearing one but on. On protests, it seems like the president is doubling down trump at federal law enforcement officials into Portland escalating clashes on the city's streets between protesters and authorities, and he's threatening to send more federal agents into democratic led cities, experiencing speeds of crime across the country. So why is trump taking such different approaches to these two issues? Both where he's met with public disapproval, can his attempt at coronavirus do over actually helped contain the virus, and on the other hand. How much power does the president have to send federal forces into American cities as trump casts himself as a law and order strongman? What are the consequences? This can he do that? A podcast that explores the powers and limitations of the American presidency. I'm Alison Michael's. Later in the show I talked to national security reporter at Matt's Petoskey about the federal response in Portland, and how much federal force the president can use in his own cities, but I I turn to White House reporter, Ashley Parker for more on trump's change of tune on the coronavirus and public health this week to understand how this message has evolved I. I. Ashley Ashley to Recap What we've seen from the president up until this point, so the president has had a couple of different messages on the coronavirus over the past few months, but all of them have basically been born out of the fact that he did not take the virus as seriously as health, experts and medical officials believe he should have from. From the very beginning, and they're still and has not been for the past four or five months. There is still no national plan to deal with the virus. Oh, the president has tried lots of different messages. He's talked about how the viruses just gonNA disappear sort of magically go away. He's referred to what we're seeing now as embers and flames, when in fact, those embers and flames are more than one hundred forty thousand Americans dead. He's talked about having to push on and return to work in life and open up the economy and say the virus the disease can be worse than the cure, and so he's. He's done a bunch of different messages, but very few of them are sort of the. Somber rooted in the scientific data, a lot of not just public health officials, but his own citizens are clamoring for, but now it looks like perhaps his approach over the past week has started to slowly change I he. He returned to hosting these coronavirus press briefings. What do we know about why? He decided to bring the briefings back, so the president had been doing. Doing briefings earlier in the corona virus in these were briefings that were originally a couple months ago, conceived as the coronavirus task force, and so that's led by Mike Pence that involved all a public health experts at medical officials like Dr Vouch. Ian Dr Burks and the President One day. He showed up allegedly just to watch, and then he took it over it. It. He realized he wanted to do the briefings. And they became sort of an outlet for him to vent and fight with the press, and get grievances off his chest, and recreate some of the energy of campaign rallies, but they were not serving their originally intended purpose as a place to find out wh-. What is the latest with testing? Do they need to be? Be wearing masks. What happens if someone in their family tests positive? What happens if they have symptoms? But they can't get their primary care physician to prescribe tested, and so finally after a particularly bad briefing where the president seemed to suggest injecting disinfectant into our veins, the the briefs were stopped. They have now been brought back partially out of the recognition and realization. That as much as the president wants to reopen the economy and get people back to work in life, he also needs to acknowledge the reality on the ground, which is that we are still in the throes of the first wave of deadly pandemic, and that they he needs to go out there. It doesn't have to last super long. Ideally, he's not fighting with the media. Ideally, he's not going off topic, but he needs to go out there and present as the president of the United States the most up-to-date scientific public health information to the public and offer them a little bit of reassurance. Reassurance and empathy has been happening. How have these briefings been going so far so far? The president has proven himself capable of reading off a script in the past briefings. You've seen the president basically. Get up there. He's had not a teleprompter, but some sheets of paper and he has read off of it, and he said all the right things. He said that masks are important. He has said that he doesn't like to say this. But that the virus is going to get worse before it gets better sort of read the words of empathy to the public. He's done all that and. The one challenges when he stops reading off of the sheet, and he takes questions with reporters is where there is the potential for him to go off script, but on the whole for two days at least he has managed to largely stick to a script, and obviously ratings and audience are important to trump or these briefings garnering the same amount of attention as they did back in March or American still. Still interested in hearing from the president on this crisis that now seems out of control in the absence of a national response president trump. When he was talking about bringing back these briefings, it was interesting. He talked about in terms of ratings in terms of getting a prime spot in terms of bringing back the show. He's sort of wasn't talking about it in terms of a good venue to offer. Offer the latest in the scientific data, but my senses. Yes, the reason the briefings were so popular before and the reason they began to hurt him. Frankly was that Americans of all stripes were in are tuning in, and they're not tuning in the way. Trump supporters tune into a rally. They were tuning in people who are stuck in their homes quarantine during a deadly pandemic. Who are really desperate for information? Information of what does it mean if I think I was exposed? How do I handle? It still remains a bit of an open question. How much trump can really provide that? You mentioned that Americans are tuning into these briefings in different ways than his supporters may tune into his rallies, but how much has trump's sort of stumbling? Return to rallies contributed to his interest in resuming these briefings partially. Partially, the president has been looking for outlets to kind of create the energy that he gets from rallies, but the reason he is really resumed. These briefings is not his aides. Hope for them to take on a rally. Feel because that hurts him politically the incongruity of trying to hold a a Maga- rally in the middle of the deadly pandemic from the White House briefing room is just not appropriate the. The reason they have really returned is because the president realized that politically he's paying a price for his handling of the pandemic, and he needs a platform to sort of demonstrate that he is capable of rising to meet the moment as a leader who is taking the science and the Public Health Information Seriously is a leader who actually has a national plan to get this country out of the pandemic. Pandemic out of this wave, and is a national leader who can lead and feels empathy, and so that is what they are hoping. He can demonstrate with these briefings, and it's not just these briefings early this week. Trump even tweeted a picture of himself in a mask thing. Many people say that it is patriotic to wear a face mask when you can't socially distance. Is this part of an attempt to? To reshape messaging, little bit yeah I, mean his aides have been desperate for him to wear a mask. Wearing a mask is sort of public health one a one. It is one of the most basic things you can do. It's a very easy thing to do, and it's one of the things that public health experts say actually makes a huge difference in stopping the spread of the virus and so. That tweet and him wearing a mask once or twice was part of in effort to demonstrate that again he can sort of be responsible, sober leader for this bowman, but but I will say he's not quite there yet because he gets up in the briefing room. And he doesn't wear a mask and again when you ask why he doesn't wear a mask. He says well. You know you wear a mask to protect others to protect yourself, but I know that everyone in this room has been testing doesn't have the virus and I've been tested I know that I don't have the virus, so there's no need for me to wear a mask in this situation. Well, that may technically be true, but one of the reasons why the president of the United States could. Could and should wear. A mask is to model good behavior. He's the leader of the country. A lot of people dislike him, but a lot of people view him as a hero in a role model, and even those who don't like him politically look to him for leadership in this moment, and if you have a president wearing a mask in modeling, good behavior that would go a long way to getting. Getting Americans who are skeptical to wear masks, so yes, did he wear a mask to Walter Reed shore? Did He tweet out a photo of himself in a mask? Yeah, but is he doing what you might expect a previous or more traditional president to do wearing a mask all the time to send a signal to the entire nation that this is important. This is easy and wearing a mask is patriotic. Patriotic No, he's not so I think my main question here is. Will any of this work? This new messaging and tone will at work, and I mean that question both politically, and in terms of actually containing the virus. I'm asking them together. Because it sort of seems impossible to disentangle the two at this point well to answer the second question first about will this work in terms of containing the virus. He said that he he's gone there, and he said we have a national plan, but he hasn't actually said what it is, and he hasn't actually rolled it out yet, and this is the thing the president has been running up against. He is very much throughout his life than someone who is engaged quit successfully the power of positive thinking or magical thinking about this. This virus that can't be tweeted away or bullied away or derisively nicknamed away or wished away so if he actually wants to combat the virus, he is actually going to have to lead a government and taking steps to for instance, come up with a plan for testing, so anyone who needs a test can get a test, and not just that but more importantly. People can get the results that day, or within twenty four hours, because if you take a test and it takes eleven days to get your results. That's pretty useless in in meaningless. You may go out and in fact, three dozen more people in that time. When you're waiting for your results because you think I feel fine, I obviously don't have the virus and it turns out. You're an eastern dramatic super spreader, so he actually has to use the levers of government to combat the virus. If this will work politically, which is an equally intriguing question, we don't know on the one hand. He is sort. Sort of asking Americans to just ignore the past four or five months and his behavior and his actions, and his lack of action in his rhetoric nuts a pretty big ask that said I've talked to a number of people in the President's orbit, who believe perhaps not incorrectly that you know Americans are an incredibly forgiving people in if it seems like the president finally gets his act together and is taking steps to help. Them deal with this pandemic and showing empathy, and you're showing that he is sincere and earnest in concerned in doing his best, they may be willing to see him a lot of slack and understand. The virus isn't just going to go away overnight, but they appreciate the fact that he's taking real steps to reopen their community and keep them safe, but but we don't know yet. It's still pretty early to tell so effectively. The president is taking a stab at a do over. Over, but we've seen this so much. Throughout his presidency, he leans one direction. He tries to take a more effective stands, and then ultimately he sort of breaks and sends a tweet that reflects the beliefs. He seemed to hold from the beginning, and all of that is to say. Do you expect this new tone? This new approach to last? It's been two days. If history is any indication, this will not last indefinitely again. Is He capable of reading off a script? Yes is. Is he capable of moments of self discipline. Absolutely could this new tone last for another day or two another week? Sure beyond that he is again, I'm just speaking historically has proven himself fairly incapable of long-term discipline, and often he gets into a pattern where he does the thing that he doesn't WanNa do, and he goes out, and he begrudgingly does what his aides want him to do. which is read off the script and offer realistic assessment of the virus, and then He. He goes back and he watched his cable news and he gets furious that he's not getting the rave reviews he expected, and then he gets angry and he. You know that he's not a fair shake in the media is awful and ever out to get him. And then he sort of spirals, and then the next day at the briefing. He goes off message or he gets a fighter. He sends out a tweet so having cupboard him. Since basically, he announced his campaign I. would be quite surprised if he manages to maintain this posture until election day, but you number now, so we didn't episode of this show back in May when outbreaks were just starting to pop in parts of Rural America that episode explored the question of whether trump strategy around the virus, eventually change as parts of the country with more of his base, would-be impacted by the virus, so just WANNA revisit that to raise the question of how much of trump's new trategy comes as a response to what he's hearing from his base about the impact of the virus on them today a do think one thing that has changed his view. A little bit is when the virus I started the hardest hit place. Was New York in the coasts, frankly and those are not trump's traditional based, but now when you hear him, talk about it, he talks about. It's in the sun belt. It's in the south. It's in states that are trump states. Cases are spiking in Florida and I think he is hearing from some of these governors who our allies that that this is a real problem that this isn't a hoax that they need PPA or the the more trucks are overrun or that they're almost at capacity, and they're not sure what they're going to do about ICU beds if they have another three more bad days so i. do think part of that may be. Be influencing his approach to to recognize to take this seriously and can't just pretend. It doesn't exist all right before I. Let you go I. Just want to touch on something else. Particularly notable about trump's team Jing tone around the virus this week, and that's how it contrast with his approach to race relations in the related protests in this country. That's another major issue facing our country where according to polling Americans give trump poor marks, so while trump is taking this new almost do. Do over approach to the virus. He's seems to be doubling down on his response to protests around the country. It's a pretty stark contrast. Why is the White House taking such different approaches to these two issues? Where on both Americans generally disapprove of trump's response, the president still fundamentally believes that a tough stance of law and order is one that will be politically beneficial to him. It was one that was politically beneficial to him in two thousand sixteen during that campaign in his said. Said to you know privately to aides and advisers that he thinks you know he will ultimately be rewarded politically for taking a tough line stance on you know what he's sort of calls heritage right not renaming military bases that are named after confederate generals, not tearing down statues of confederate leaders is other problematic people historically, and also taking a tough stance on and order the thing that he is grappling with and that he hasn't seemed to totally come to terms with is that. This isn't a purely about law and order. It's about America's original sin and race relations going back to the country's very day in, and the ground has shifted under him so quickly. If you look at the polling, this is something where Americans are changing their views in the wake of George Floyd's death incredibly rapidly from just a year or two ago, and it's not just black Americans. Americans, who are taking part in the black lives matter movement. It's all Americans, and it's interesting talking to some of these Republican never-trumper groups that are trying to defeat him, and they'll stay in the polling. People give bad marks on the coronavirus, but the thing that really upsets them and the thing where they're much more likely to actually vote against a Republican. Who may be begrudgingly? begrudgingly voted for him last time and it's on the fence. This time is the way he's handling the racial protests in the country, not the coronavirus. There's sort of willing to forgive of an act of God so to speak. It's not that the president's handling was perfect, but they're willing to cut some slack on a deadly pathogen that came out of China but when a president. President, in their view seems to fail to rise to the moment when an unarmed black man is killed in police custody, and it's just the latest in a in a casket of these deaths in the president doesn't seem to empathize or or to heal in unite the nation. There is just a level of disgust that you're seeing reflected in in polls and focus groups right now. The president has Ashley. Said hasn't tried to heal. Unite the nation over recent protests. In fact, his response in Portland has been to send in federal forces and many of these federal forces from the Department of Homeland Security Agency that was formed to prevent another September eleventh attack, not to contain protests or riots inside American cities. that a Portland of militarized agents, clubbing protesters and stuffing them into unmarked vehicles have alarmed. Civil liberties advocates the displays of government power echo tactics long associated with authoritarian rule, and yet trump has said that the use of federal force will continue. He's also threatened to send federal law enforcement personnel into other democratic led cities experience of crime. I talked to national security reporter Matt that petoskey about how exactly trump has the power to send federal agents into American cities. So Matt. We've seen protests flare up across the country in the past few months. What has the situation been like in Portland specifically will pour. One has been really probably the hottest city in the country particularly in recent days, so for dozens and dozens of nights you've had demonstrations. Sometimes violent in recent days focused on the federal courthouse. And police have responded with Significant Force D. H. ask the Federal Department of Homeland. Security actually deployed a contingent of over one hundred various federal agents, customs and Border Protection. These people called Federal Protective Service which protect federal courthouses to quit down this unrest, and by their account, the protesters have been quite violent lobbying projectiles trying to set the courthouse on fire using you know sort of aggressive violent tactics. Tactics and that has generated significant controversy. Has the president been portraying Portland publicly? He's been portraying. Portland is a city out of control. He has from the start of this tried to cast himself as sort of the law and order president the president who's not going to be willing to put up with any kind of violence at these protests, and he has took particular aim at Portland, and so has. Has You know sort of conservative media presenting this as just sort of a city that has lost control. The trump administration decides to as you said, send federal law enforcement officers from Department of Homeland Security into Portland. Who are these federal agents at what's their normal role is mainly the Department of Homeland Security in various components of that, so I think just mentioned a federal protective service their normal role. Role is to patrol courthouses. You also have customs and border protection contingent. Their number role of courses like enforcement on the border, stopping of people were trying to come in the country illegally from coming in the country. There's been this specialized team known as a GORTEX team, which the easiest way to think of it as sort of like the Swat of DHS. They're normally people who respond to like narcoterrorists. Narcoterrorists and things like that, and then you have some US marshals, which is a Justice Department component. They normally pick up fugitives, but they also have some responsibility with courthouse protection so to be clear. These agents are not people especially trained in protest or riot control. No, the federal government generally doesn't do any kind of on the street riot control on. It's just not their normal function typically when you. You have seen in other cities their response to protest in these kind of armored guys. That's often local or state police. This is generally not the federal government's Bali with Federal Government Bureau of Prisons. Riot teams that respond to riots inside of federal prisons, which is a little different, but these guys. This is not their normal function. So then why is trump picked d? H S officers specifically descend into. into cities where there's unrest well, it's a good question. I think one is because he can, and to is because if you're GonNa pick anybody in some ways. You could make a case that dhs makes the most sense. The Federal Protective Service does protect the courthouse, trump and the administration. I should say not just trump at Chad Wolff. WHO's the acting? Secretary has said look what we're doing here is. Is Protecting Federal Property Customs and Border Protection is a little bit weirder, but if you have an agency, that's willing. These guys are law enforcement officers. They can do it, so trump has has chosen them. Talk to me about how D. H S is willing to participate in this. How much is their choice through their elective entry into this effort? And how much is the president's command some analysts? Jess officials who have. Looked at what's going on and looked at the Department of Homeland Security kind of look at it and see an agency that has an acting leader, a longtime acting head. Chad Wolf, and so they are wondering I don't know they can conclusively say or prove. That boy is trump turning to this acting guy because he's on a little less solid footing in. He's a little more malleable than say. The FBI would be to do some of this. Who has a Senate confirmed leader? The Justice Department. Though is involved with the marshalls. That isn't like a totally complete explanation of what's going on here culturally, VHS is a little unusual. It's this agency that was formed in the wake of. Of nine eleven to of course protect Homeland Security I think the conception was it would be terrorism focused and border focused, and so it's kind of Split, since then though right so in addition to doing these border things, these terrorism things DHS has the secret service under it it has these people called Homeland Security investigators which do cybercrime. Some of them might be less willing to be involved in the street protests, but these Tek guys and others might be more willing. There's not a choice when the commander in chief tells you to do something right or the acting secretary of the part of Homeland Security tells you to do something, but just culturally there might be some people. Who are more willing to do this work than another component who would say well Jeez? That's not normally my job, so just to clarify or around this. Can he do that question here? Is it within the president's power to send these agents into American cities? Oh, absolutely so federal agents, and that includes a DHS can enforce federal laws, so the president can definitely one hundred percent send them in to protect the federal courthouse or to investigate attacks on federal officers I. Think the question becomes if they go beyond that, so we've seen some video in Portland of people. People being taken into custody. What seems to be far from the federal courthouse or the demonstrations that are going on, and it isn't clear that those people did anything wrong, and that would not be okay. I mean it wouldn't be okay for agencies, local or federal to take somebody into custody without probable cause, but if there was some sort of pattern or practice of DHS trying to enforce local laws or sweeping up without probable cause that would be legally problematic in the case of Portland, was local law enforcement not enough to handle these protests. What was local? Local law enforcement failing to do here on trump's few. Yes, Sean forcement was not doing an adequate job of protecting the courthouse, and in fact it'd probably is more than Marshall or the federal government's responsibility to do that. In terms of the question of enforcing state and local laws, the feds can do that if they're sort of asked so protecting the federal courthouse definitely firmly within their authority, you would expect them to be the ones doing that, but if they ran often picked people up for loitering or violations of local ordinances that could potentially be a crime. Crime and that is what the mayor of Portland and other cities mayors have worried about that. You're just gonNA, have this roving federal police force trying to affect trump's conception of law and order? There's a limited set of laws that federal authorities can enforce if the locals don't bequeath on them, the Authority to enforce local laws, and in this case Portland decrease that. Did they request help from the federal government? In this case, Portland has become very resistant to it. In fact last night. You actually saw Portland's mayor on the front lines of the protests getting teargassed. In this instance, the relationship has become very very fraught between The locals and the Fete I just to drill down on this difference a little bit more about what power federal law enforcement actually has at a local level. So if I'm protesting in Portland, candiate personnel arrest me and bring me to jail would depend on what you did. So if you were protesting in Portland and you tried to light the federal courthouse and fire. Yes, they could. If they suspected that you attacked a federal officer. Yes, they could, if you if they suspected you of committing some other federal crime like drug crime, let's say or are. They suspected you of being involved in gang activity? Sure, they could now if you violated, let's say a local loitering. Order a without the blessing of state and local officials. No, they shouldn't be doing that. It should be the state or local police taking you into custody for let's say violating some loitering order and no one should be taking you into custody merely for exercising your First Amendment right to protest. Now, trump is threatening to send US law. Enforcement personnel to other democratic led cities like Chicago and New York. Why is he expanding this effort? When it seems to have gone sort of poorly in Portland why what is he trying to accomplish? In these other cities, law enforcement officials at the Justice, Department and D. Hsa. There are two things at play here. One is the response to civil unrest, and that's what we've seen. In Portland, that's what we've seen with the deployment of more than. Than, one hundred federal agents there in in these other cities. It's a little different, though it's all become wrapped up because trump is trying to present this as a unified effort to crack down on violence in other cities, though like Chicago like Albuquerque, New Mexico and a couple of weeks ago, before Portland got really hot in Kansas City, the Justice Department ruled out this initiative. Called Operation Legend and this is sort of cracking down the way the Justice Department tells it on violent crime. Crime so they're increasing the number of F. B. I. Agents and Marshall's and DA agents. ATF agents on existing Federal anti-violence Task Force. So this isn't the people who are looking out over protests and making sure everything's cool there, but this would be people investigating gangs and drugs and murders, and those things exist all the time. It is interesting that president trump has chosen this moment to announce an expansion of this effort, because the relationship between the federal government and local mayors is very strange. Strange, local mayors are very wary of their city becoming Portland with these roving bands of federal officers like, are you? GonNa then shift to monitoring unrest to the extent. We have that. Are these officers GonNa, do more than just the work that they do day to day trying to help us with violent crime, so it's kind of exacerbated this existing tension because of Portland even though the way president trump couches it. It's to respond to violent crime and I should add one important point. Critics say that this is political right? That trump is kind of looking at the images in Portland, trying to cast that as a city that's out of control and sort of extrapolating that to say see look at all. These urban areas run by Democrats. They're out of control to in different ways, because it's violent, crime and I. The federal government have to go in. In and fix their problem in these mayors, particularly in Chicago has said look, this is just a political stunt. It remains to be seen how effective that federal help here in violent crime would even be. This is the Mayor of Chicago opinion is that he's just trying to distract from his failure on the corona virus by trying to change what everyone's talking about to? American cities out of control violent unrest. That kind of thing is there anything that local officials can do to stop this influx of federal law enforcement in their cities if they want to. Some have said that they would sue so. There is a a technically illegal mechanism that they can do that. They can sue, but. Legal analysts I talked to. You say if they're suing to stop the deployment of federal office in their cities, it that's just not. That's not realistic. That's not practical. They probably are not gonna be able to convince a judge to tell the federal government. Hey, you can't come. Enforce federal law in our city, and you can see why there would be good reason for that right like the Justice Department. Just charge the speaker of the. Ohio, House, in a big corruption case in my hometown they. They charged several members of the city council with corruption. If states and cities could say, you can't come in here, enforce. The law essentially would be licensed to get away with corruption, so there's good reason that federal agents are allowed to enforce federal law anywhere now states could sue and people who get taken into custody on lawfully could sue perhaps for monetary damages they could perhaps get judges to remind the Department of Homeland Security Hey. You're authority limited, but in terms of stopping the deployment. It legal analyst. I talked to say it's unlikely that they would be able to affect that result. As you've mentioned, trump has long considered himself the law and order president, and he seems to view sending these federal agents into American cities as a way to show that. In addition to the use of force against Americans, are there other drawbacks to the president acting unilaterally descend federal officers into cities to as he claims combat violence I mean one drawback is that it exacerbates the tension, so you already have this tension. You have nightly protests in Portland and then you drive even more angry demonstrators to the streets because they're mad about the presence of federal authorities in their city. Another thing that former DHS officials former Justice Department officials have told me as like look the net. Net long-term effect of this is it just undercuts faith and trust in federal law enforcement. It damages the relationship between local and federal law enforcement, so where there might be a legitimate benefit to having federal law enforcement on these task forces to help with drugs and gangs and guns now that relationship is going to be severed. Locals are not going to want that help, or it's just going to be more difficult. That could be a problem that could actually hurt the impact on fighting crime I-, last question. This week, we finally saw trump basically tacitly admit that his coronavirus strategy has not worked. He's encouraged Americans to wear masks and stay away from bars, and yet he seems unrelenting on his approach to protests and race relations. Why is this the one issue that trump seems reluctant to backtrack on from the moment he took office presenting himself as a law and order president has been his thing his inauguration, he gave this very dark speech about the state of violence in America. He posted these talking points on his website about how he was not going to coddle the rioters and looters seeming to. To allude to protesters. He's had this very much. I'm backing law enforcement mantra throughout his tenure as president, comparing that to the corona virus corona virus is a very new thing that he did. His position seems to have shifted onto hope. You know by the time this post. Maybe we'll have shifted back, but with law and order. This is one of his hallmarks from the beginning. It would be much more dramatic for him to make a shift on that then something that he only really established his position on some months ago. All Right, Matt, thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Thursday afternoon after Dr Matt Justice. Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz announced that he's opened an investigation into the use of force by US marshals in Portland and he will review. Federal agents conduct in recent months at protests both there and in Washington DC. And one last thing I want to mention a survey from the Washington Post audio team. We love to hear your thoughts on this show and other Washington Post podcasts, so we can keep making things that you want to hear to share your feedback. Go to Washington. Post, dot. COM SLASH PODCAST survey all one word. Tell us what you like what you don't and what else you want from us. 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Problematic is an understatement: Robert Mueller testifies before Congress
"On Wednesday former special counsel Robert Muller testified publicly before two separate congressional panels Judiciary Committee will come to order the hearings marked the first time Muller answered questions. It's about his investigation of president trump and Russian interference in the Twentieth Sixteen Election Muller's Bet the first half of the day in front of the House Judiciary Committee say one more thing over the course of my career. I've seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government's effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious as I said on May twenty ninth this deserves the attention of every American much of the afternoon in front of the House Intelligence Committee as we explained in our report and the special counsel regulations effectively gave me the role of the United States attorney as a result. We structured our investigation allegation around evidence for possible use in prosecution of federal crimes. We did not reach what you would call. Counterintelligence Conclusions Democratic lawmakers largely focused on episodes outlined in Muller's report as potential obstruction of justice by President Trump Republicans tried to focus on the reasons and circumstances under which Muller's investigation began muller meanwhile headed into Wednesday's hearings saying that he preferred not to say more about his work in public so with these competing interests did the American public actually learn anything new about Muller's more than two year long investigation. Let's find out this is can can he do that. A podcast that explores the powers and limitations of the American presidency. I'm Alison Michael's Matt's Petoskey. The posts Justice Department apartment reporter covered the hearings life Matt. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me so let's talk about the strategies heading into this from the perspective of the Democrats and Republicans when it went into to Wednesday's testimony Democrats have been preparing for this for some time what were their objective so I think they knew that Muller did not want to speak beyond the report so one of their objectives was just to get him to say things in the report unflattering things for trump particularly the question of obstruction out loud just get him to say those things so that was one thing they were going to do. They were also going to try to pry new information from him like their holy. Grail was for to get him to say yes. The evidence was substantial to charge president trump with obstruction of justice. It always seemed unlikely that was going to happen though there were a couple slip-ups where it sort of came close one of which muller had to correct later so that and then just getting muller to to read things out loud. That's what they went into it thinking they would sort of accomplish accomplish it also seemed just from my watching it that the Democrats had decided to thank Muller for his service before they even launched into their questions almost in every case yeah they did. They wanted to build him up. He's such an important figure and they had put puts so much of their hope. For some kind of I mean some people want impeachment. Some people don't put anything bad for trump. They put so many hopes with this guy so one of their aims of course is to build up this guy. He's a longtime registered registered republican a war hero an F._B._i.. Director who served for twelve years even though you'll know more illness for ten because there's nobody else better around his ten years we're up so he's very well respected guy part of what I think they set out to do was to build him up and that would give so much more credibility when he talked about president trump. What about the Republicans what what was their approach low? Republicans seem to try to attack him. They have all these concerns about his investigation about the the origins of it about the role that this opposition research document that everybody has come to know as the dossier played in kind of spinning the thing forward they had questions about bias among some members of his team to members of his team <hes> very famously. Exchanged a bunch of anti-trump text messages. One of them was removed when that was found out the other had already left but so they wanted to focus on that muller just wasn't willing to go there kind of for both sides. He wasn't willing for Democrats to just read passages aloud he would just say I referred my reporter reporter. That's correct. That's in the report <hes> for Republicans to win. They'll ask dossier question dossier question dossier question. It's just I'm not going to get into that. That's outside. My purview just repeated deflections on the two things that both sides wanted to ask them how yeah so you have the Democrats that's with their agenda that Republicans with their agenda Seemingly Muller with his adamant that he will not go beyond what the report says evenly this out in his opening remarks as I said on May twenty ninth the report is my testimony and I will stay within the text. Why what do we know about Muller's reasoning for limiting his public words that is worth so muller essentially has come to the conclusion that they spent a lot a lot of time carefully deciding what words to put in that four hundred and forty eight page report report and he doesn't want to go a step beyond that nor does he really want to walk anything back? That's what he wants to be kind of the record of his investigation for history. He said something to that effect at the hearing so he didn't WanNa step in any any way on that he just didn't want to go beyond that report. He views himself as a classic prosecutor. A prosecutor normally doesn't ever come to Congress period the either indict someone or they say nothing. More is a little bit weird because he's a special counsel investing the President before he has come to Congress before not since he's been special counsel. He came when he was F._B._I.. Director he has spoken publicly about this before just one time when he had a press conference in you took no questions as the first time he's taking questions but he viewed his role as I've said what I said and that's that and that kind of goes to his kind of prosecutor mentality okay so that's sort of where we stood heading into Wednesday where we know all the parties stood. Let's talk about what actually happened on Wednesday. Did we see Muller diverged from his stated intention to not go beyond the content of the report mostly no he tried very very hard to not go beyond the report he stuck to the script he wouldn't even read passages out. Loud Democrats repeatedly would try different ways to get him to read passages out loud or describing his own words passages. They'd read something and say. Is that what you report says say correct at one point. Someone asked him I forget who can you tell me what you meant by that and he won't he won't he wouldn't go beyond that he's like well. The report speaks for itself <hes> so he really did try to stick to the report. How much of that is Robert Muller and how much of that is how a prosecutor should behave when they're being questioned by Congress? I think a lot of that is Robert Muller because you see law enforcement officials all up and down the spectrum. I mean think about Jim mm Komi talking about the Hillary Clinton email investigation. He's much more conversational offering kind of his personal perspective really getting into details that that aren't just sort of out there already but Robert Muller is like hardcore guy. He doesn't want to go beyond that report and that's just his personality. There's some prosecutors who would probably be a little more comfortable these pudding in their own words like what they said but Robert Muller really wasn't even wanting to do that and I think that's a personality thing now. The Justice Assist Department did provide some guidelines over what he couldn't say they did. Rubber Muller Asks for those and in some ways. I think that gave him a lot of cover. I mean in a lot of instances. He just had to say. I'm not answering that but in some instances he was able to say well. That's covered uh-huh delivered process which the Justice Department said you can't talk about that. I think he kind of liked that. I have this top cover from the Justice Department. They told me I can't do this so I can refer to that. Let's move on to sort of the top line. Takeaways Muller confirmed that his investigation did not completely sweetly in totally exonerate trump as the president has repeatedly claimed specifically during his first response to Representative Nadler. He said the finding indicates that the president was not <hes> the president was not sculpting exculpated for the accident he allegedly committed. Are there new implications of Mahler saying that sentence out loud well. That's what he has said in his report. That certainly is a soundbite that Democrats will be able to use. It's not wholly new but it is a nice sound bite for Democrats to us you know as they campaign against trump it now. They're also asked if the president under Justice Department policy could potentially be prosecuted for obstruction injustice after he leaves Office Under D._O._J.. Under Department of Justice policy the president could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice crimes after he leaves office is correct through with that new information that the guidance meant the president could could potentially be charged after leaving office no but that is interesting to hear Muller say out loud. We knew that the alcee guidance only governs a sitting president and there are ways that a sitting president could be charged pretty quickly the one way that comes to mind immediately as Congress and peaches him he's removed and then he's prosecuted in other ways he would just leave office. This is a very unique case and they didn't go down this road but the Attorney General Bill Barr who essentially Muller's boss in this in this instance came in over top of them were muller or wooden decide Bill Bar said I do decide there is not a prosecutable case of obstruction and that makes it so in this particular instance would be sort of unheard of for prosecutors later after trump <hes> left office. Let's say he lost in twenty twenty. He Leaves Office for a new president and a new Justice Department. Come in and say and the previous Justice Department was wrong. We're going to prosecute the previous president that would be really really strange but muller accurately notes that is possible when you're not a sitting president anymore you you can get charged and it's interesting to hear note that even though we sort of already knew that right so along those same lines. Did we learn anything new about this one major question that sort of looms over the entire report which is whether Muller would have charged trump if not for the Justice Department policy for a sitting President Yeah we didn't we thought he had revealed that in response to this Ted lieu question where he's asked that like you so you're saying that the oil C- opinion stopped you from indicting trump and molly says yes but then he goes back and clarifies no no no. That's not what I'm saying and I don't think that's a question we can learn the answer to because what I heard Muller say today was they just never did the things they would need to do to make that decision like they never had the debate. Do we have the evidence is it in the interests of justice to charge the president at some point and it's not clear when they decided we can't decide we're not going to decide we can still investigate but we're not going to decide even amongst ourselves whether the evidence is there so they didn't so Taylor can answer the question so we didn't learn anything about that today. Even though for a moment we we thought we did so Republicans have repeatedly questioned the origins of the Russia probe for a long time very publicly did Muller provide any new information about the origins of his investigation. He really did not on that question. He very assiduously avoided. It just wouldn't go there outside his purview. There was a lot of questions about the dossier and its role in in the origins about other peripheral kind of characters. Where's he just wouldn't go anywhere close to that which is a little disappointing because even I have questions about the origins of the pro just as a you know you've covered the story for a long time? How did this all start? Let's get very clear answers to that. Just wasn't going there and the probe started but way before he came on board. It started kind of the summer before he comes on board in May of twenty seventeen ms at the reason he gave for not wanting to weigh in well sort of he the reason he gave is this broad Justice Department prohibition from talking about internal deliberations perations on some of them. He did say that it predated his time <hes> but that's not to say he couldn't have spoken to this like Shirley. He subsumed that investigation he knows about it but he said it was covered by deliberative process some of it relates to ongoing cases so he just didn't go there for a variety of reasons so during the House Intel hearing there was a notable moment when muller pushed back against trump longstanding criticism of his work as a as a witch hunt term. We've heard trump US many times. He's tweeted many times under under questioning from representative Adam Schiff chairman of the House Intelligence Committee investigation is not a witch hunt is it is not a witch hunt. Is that the first time we've publicly heard Muller Dispute Trump's claim about the report. It's the first time we've heard him dispute. You claim so directly and particularly on the issue of witch hunt. If you look interior to the report there seemed to be some fairly direct disputes of trump's trump says no collusion the report says hey we didn't even assess collusion. We were looking at a criminal conspiracy but I mean again to hear Muller so forcefully and so directly take this catchphrase that the president has coin and say no it was not a witch hunt. That was a remarkable equal moment certainly the first time we heard Muller do something you know just like that so in an exchange during the House Intelligence Committee hearing with this time with Congressman Quigley this wikileaks is like a treasure trove Donald Trump October the thirty first two thousand sixteen boy. I love reading those wikileaks Donald Trump November fourth twenty sixteen when he those quotes DISTURB YOU MR director. I'm not sure I would say well. It's probably problematic is an understatement. It seems like a strong opinion for Muller especially after watching him withhold all day long have halting responses is it significant I think extremely anyway I thought that and the witch hunt moment and some of his general comments on Russian interference and concern about Russian interference where the most notable of the entire hearing that problematic statement is notable in its own right if he had just sort of stopped there Erin said you know problematic is an understatement but then he goes on is an understatement in terms of whether to play displays in terms of giving some hope or some boost to afoot is and should be illegal activity wikileaks is in Muller's view. I guess a criminal actor in this is like someone propping them up so while that might not be criminal in its own right I mean you're allowed to have free speech. You can praise a criminal I guess us <hes> Muller sees that very distasteful and I think that's going to be a sound bite. The Democrats are going to be able to play over and over <hes> because it is really like coming after president trump for things he said yeah which is very unusual for for Robert Muller so one other newsy see moment late in the Intel hearing came when Muller said that he could have served a subpoena to compel trump to interview in person but he knew that the president would fight it and it would prolong the probe overall. Is that an admission in a way that the tactics of trump's legal teams sort number one if you will against muller at least in terms of the fight over an in person interview I don't think he would frame it as an admission but I definitely see it that way the way he describes it as they embark on negotiations with trump soon after muller takes over the investigation Asian and getting an interview is a big thing for them and he also concedes like we had the authority. This wasn't a case of the Justice Department saying Whoa Whoa Whoa subpoenaing the president is step too far. He said we could have done and he's asked specifically did Rosenstein or Matt. Whitaker is an attorney any general during this time period jeff sessions. Did they ever stop you know no no we could have done it but the rest of his description is essentially them getting outfoxed trump delays delays delays there in negotiations and then at some point it becomes clear that trump isn't gonna sit down now. You're already many months or years down the road <hes> if you subpoena him they know trump will fight and that could push the investigation for even more potentially months or years and now they have this tough call. Do they fight out this battle for potentially more months or years or do they just settle with the evidence they have on the president's what you're hoping to accomplish in an interview with trump seeing what's on his mind because intent is an element of obstruction case they they have a lot of that evidence already because trump tweet so much she talked so much <hes> there's so many witnesses that can describe the optics of how this all how all of these obstructive episodes go down so he decides look. We've got a lot of evidence already. This is going to drag out for potentially months or years trying to balance those two things we decide. We're not going to issue a subpoena and that's notable and it does seem like a bit of a surrender and he even mentioned in the hearings that there's nothing quite. Like an in person interview when it comes to an investigation yeah he said that you know obviously so trump ends up submitting written answers to questions and he's he has already said in his report that those answers are inadequate and he says pointedly of course an interview view would be preferable okay so we've gone through a bunch of major moments. Is there anything else that stood out to you <hes> well. You know another thing that stood out to me that I think Republicans are seizing on is Muller's demeanor her in some of his stumbles so in the first hearing the House Judiciary Committee hearing. There's this really notable moment when he's just asked up one of these bio questions about his being appointed as the top prosecutor up in the northeast <hes> and he's asked you know which president appointed you and he can't remember which president appointed him <hes> he says it was Bush was actually Reagan <hes>. It's it's kind of a remarkable moment like wow what what is going on. Here and Republicans are using some stumbles like that to say. The guy wasn't plugged into the investigation at all. This was just a bunch of angry Democrats. That's you know one of the terms that they have used throughout the case to attack his team so I think some of his stumbles are GonNa get played by Republicans over and over to say this. This guy was disengaged from from the investigation. We're already seeing that kind of reaction on the conservative side so that was a notable thing to me too and at this point does our reporting give any credence to that was he uninvolved and we don't having reporting to support that he was was uninvolved but truth be told his operation was a pretty tightly run ship. It's not like we have super great windows into everything that happened. Their Day to day. He conceded today that he was involved in only a few interviews but that of course would be totally normal. You know our editors here aren't involved in reporters interviews and he is like the editor in chief over there so <hes> we don't have reporting that is a target for us <hes> <hes> and certainly it's a thing that Republicans are going to bring up so maybe now his team will reveal a little bit more about his day to day role to tamp down some of this criticism okay. I'm as this was happening and since it's concluded. Have we seen any reaction from from president trump we saw a pre reaction we saw during reaction and after the fact reaction where he said something like truth is a force of nature so <hes> trump who said maybe I'll watch it. Maybe I won't clearly seem to be plugged in and he seemed to have a whole apparatus. His lawyers are responding all day criticizing Muller criticizing his team as by as trump was doing the same thing before the hearings started trump was attacking muller deputy who appeared with him. I mean Republicans have just brought the house out to criticize muller to spin this thing favorably towards them. <hes> and I'm sure <hes> it will continue so as we look at this as a whole and we think about where the Republicans and Democrats started. Let's start with the Republicans. Did they sort of meet their expectations. Did they achieve their goals. I would say yes and no no in the sense that they did not get any new information on the origins of the probe. They did not get kind of anymore dirt that they they can throw on the probe they raised a lot of their points but muller just deflected but yes in the sense that they avoided the damage from from Muller reading out loud obstruction passages ages. They you know Democrats in some ways really failed there. It was not kind of the bombshell that they maybe would have hoped for so in that way. Republicans did accomplish their goal though I don't know that it was really any of their doing it was mostly Bob Molars doing and Bob Moller's not wanting to be a pawn in this political game and in terms of the Democrats. Did they gain anything to help them make a case towards impeachment or make a decision not to move forward with impeachment hearings. I would think the Democrats who are most pro impeachment might be a little disappointed because they didn't really get any new facts that they can hang their hat on and while they got some soundbites they didn't even get a whole bevy of muller digging into the obstruction episodes that are in the report so I don't think the. The needle on impeachment. I definitely don't think it moved towards pro in any respect. Did it move the other way. Possibly this was such a critical witness so for the Democrats. You really really wanted to go extremely well and I don't think you can say it did for them. <hes> that isn't to say it's any of their personal failure but muller just didn't want to be used by them and that way and he sort of made sure that he wasn't and so they kind of are where they are. Does it help them make a case that they're fulfilling their oversight duties Hispanic bringing Muller specifically into to testify certainly could and I think now that he's out of the way now that they have this big witness that the public was clamoring to have testify out of the way maybe they can intensify their fights on some of the actual witnesses in his case like Don mcgann and like Anti Donaldson the administration has stifled them from doing that so far but maybe they can press those battles in courts and maybe they see you know. Muller is a prosecutor right. He and his team of investigators interviewed actual witnesses actual witnesses can describe these things in firsthand terms that are maybe a lot more moving so I would I would expect Democrats will turn their focus to them. They have already and they've been stymied but now that they have muller out of the way <hes> they got to figure out what they got to figure out what's next all right Matt my final question to you. Is there anything we learned today. That helps us understand. The larger significance of this report Muller hopes this document has historical significance that it survives history and one of the the big things that he hoped it drove home is that foreign adversaries in particularly Russia are out to meddle in our elections and we really need to do something about that and even said something like that has been a really underplayed aspect of the report so I think Bob Muller hopes people will read his report with a new eye on that that set aside trump in the politics of this Russia tried to mess around with who is our president and that is important and I think Bob Mueller hopes that we as Americans Republicans Democrats could all focus on that on a foreign country trying to mess around with who is our president in the short term is very hard to focus on that because trump is the president attend <hes> you know there was a very practical <hes> consequence of the election though Muller assiduously avoided saying <hes> because of the efforts trump is now president but I think it's hard in the moment to think about how we will view this in five five years or ten years but I think if Muller had to make that call then we would view it in in terms of foreign nation tried to meddle in our presidential election and that's wrong and he hopes that this would kind of refocus the whole country on that all right well well well. 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Sexy or whatever whatever that means. What does that mean? No, it's true like why you know. Why are we so limited in our definition of like what's attractive? When you have now sort of it looks like a fork on one side of your torso. And then on the other side, there's like a big bulbous ladle shape. People say like Oh you have a fork like if. You eat in a kitchen now. My torso forks. Before the legs! And I took the one less travel. Right and so he walks in. He does his dogs. Around for like fifteen twenty minutes. He said he would get bored and he did. He walked out. And I got. My money hi welcome to Hollywood. Guys. But dropping names and finding love in the red carpet line back hallways of this industry week, all Showbiz and romance is it possibly the most special episode we've ever done? It's Valentine's Day episode and downtowns. Day is all year long for these two and for us as well. We want to introduce. Esther petoskey little astor. How special has a new special allow? Comedy Central Presents Esters new special. AM I. believe she's hot for her own name, oh. My name gets me so fired up. ooh, my name. Oh I will know my name. It's not like that it's like I'm hot four. My Name's David further special. Okay, you can change it now is things are all online just going? Yes, go into Youtube, click. The Bar opened the TAB adjust. It'll be next to the top wine. Army no because. Because I'm not allowed on that site. and You you're not on youtube what happened. Well, we're going to get into relationships today, and obviously my wife Stephanie Graf. Has. some restrictions on my web browsing now because of some videos I was watching. I've had to do that, too. I was watching dodgeball fails, and it was preventing me from doing my work. Your schoolwork and we WANNA say hi today. This really quick. We Wanna say hi to Dave. Naheed Hey ooh. The nasty man has entered the Chad one. Show to. They've both been a guest on the show, but never. Ren- room. It's so crazy. It's so fun to be a part of this and take you for to be by all the monitors that I prefer to be known as. In Hollywood. But it's very. Nasty demand the nasty decay. They're in love and they. She talks about it in the special special is out. Kevin Win this get to air. Tuesday We're moving this one up I. We have a lot in the bank. We are were sure we're going to move this one. We have no elephants bigger guests. And and two of those episodes went really well. Why would I be offended? That's such a compliment that the bigger are being pushed aside. I'm just saying I'm saying. Maybe we decide now. TB Fine. Let's see what we get from these two. Because it, it's already aerated aired Friday and it's going to stream on the comedy central APP and it'll be in front of the paywall by August. Second so you guys are flexible when you can release most used APP comedy central APP. For you in your life when you think of an APP, go open an APP on your phone. You go like okay, so and my mind. I'm looking at comedy central look. If you can crack the code to finding the APP you will be, it will be the most use up when you re watch hot for my name every night as you fall asleep because it puts you to bed. So. I like to ask people like what you know. The Bar at the bottom of your iphone. That holds the like four apps that you always have on the screen. It's like. Outweigh I. Want to look at it. You don't know what I'm talking about or did they get rid of this on the newer versions of the phone minds off minds of photo some lady. And she's got a kid. Wait. This is a family. But. Talk about your phone Dave I. Don't I'm not sure I want to anymore. I. Think this. Be went off the rails. An old phone or something nasty. Yeah. Dave has a nasty phone. I have the IPHONE nasty seven plus. And it has these APPs at the bottom. You can't get rid of and I was GONNA. Say Like Oh. What is everyone? Keep on the bottom other than the comedy central APP. But I think that might just be the nasty phone. All right first world problems guys got too many APPs. Yeah this. This is not a flex, Ifan sorry. This isn't. Hollywood flex book. It's a handbook and it's for advice in its for. And we WANNA help people in a lot of people out there saying, how do I? How do I phone love Find Romance. How do I do special talk about what a what a little bitch I am? Yeah I can I get somebody. Do a national special big. Audience and then just clown on my fucking. Happy meal asked all time. People want to hear that so a dream. Come true for me so the special. Are we sure? It definitely works. You've tested. Make sure it works because we don't want to direct people to it, and like it's not working or no I don't know if it works or not I. Do. You need to check that. Let me I can check and see if it were silence. Okay. I have no idea I decided letter. C. In auto completes such dot com slash. Many players slash. New Special Today. Let me see. It. Right now it is. 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Don't WanNa say to got something to say what I really don't please leave me on. If have some mistakes, say one word to interrupt than than disrupt the timing of the podcast and then back away, okay? Pay Roper likes it Yeah. I thought that was just a famous Chicago critic, but it's actually a famous national critic. Richard Roeper of Ebert and Roeper you thought was like just a Chicago Guy Yeah Yeah. Did you think uber it was just a Chicago guy? I did but. Now I now will liked Brittany Murphy and Roeper lights me so now I'm like Brady. Murphy Right. Out when the Jordan thing was airing and everyone could see. You were like I said this was Chicago Basketball Player. Like no, we actually we have access to it as well. You guys know about Obama. Don't you feel we'll I knew about him before you because I'm from Chicago before Hayes I doubt it. Before me. Don't you feel special that? When your city has like a thing that gets national attention and you're like I knew I. This episode about love I don't have Osama citizen of the world now, Hey! You do have to be careful with Rober. I do want. Obviously they calm that for. A reason. Stop. Yeah. Last sues Phillies, he does, and why they he's He's one of the most renowned gropers of phillies and the entire nation. And if you get too close. Go Rope you. So I wanNA talk about love. We want people to be able to show on that flex. We talked about that too much. Yes. That one, we can't talk about that anymore. He amount. We've talked about. It wins the coming out. The! Book about, let Laker episode by episode dissection of Love on Net flicks. yeah, The book is coming Ou-, God. Do you have the timing on this Kevin? I mean it's not like is a book. It's like tax dash like let's like the Taj is not like the same thing as A. It's like a show piece. Book like it's Tashin. We can bail on this bit and go to the love stuff if This is your love stuff, but the book is coming out. Next time I throw up. The high. You got your book because I will try to learn how to get a book practice. She means how to like buy one book. Auto? Okay, in a little bit of A. Lover's quarrel here obviously. That's part of it having a huge fight ed public. My dream number do. Screaming sometimes I'm like we're like out at a restaurant like let's fake fight right now. Really big, get big screaming me. Spit on you, but it's just. He's not the right partner for that, but as either of you ever want to go out, unlike Oh, casual lunch and do a fake fight. Make a big scene I won't do it kept, but I noticed some chemistry between yourself ship cabin earlier, and this was as we were getting set up, there was there were sparks and. Oldest Kevin Twenty seven. Okay Twenty Kevin. because. He is. He is twenty seven dresses. Just, who he right now Dave. You're awfully quiet. We have to talk about love the. Show, so we have actually a little bit of a primer. A lot of people don't really know what courtship and romance is. They just don't they haven't. Experienced it for themselves, which is sad, but not uncommon, and especially in our audience I think The majority of people would say that they don't know what. Dating Love Romance. Companionship are Do you have Yes, the prepared sort of Primer. This is from people at people on twitter so as Pretty reputable always people and it's how. Lin Manuel Miranda used rap to win over his wife. And, if people exclusive actor writer and Hamilton Creator Lin Manuel. Miranda is opening up about how he won over his wife. In Highschool Linden well was a self professed nerd. One day he noticed a stunning girl named Vanessa, but was too shy to talk to her. In fact, she was so shy that he says he made only exchange five words with her. By the time they graduated, it would take him another seven years to finally make things official with Vanessa and here's how he did it. In two thousand and five Limon Well Cincinnati, a facebook message. Message inviting her to check out this new freestyle hip hop group Freestyle Love Supreme as you do. He tried to talk to her. After the show, they connected stated touch, but it was a few months before they saw each other again when the NASA asked him out I. Love that you'd go. Vanessa Leeann well tells us. It must have been a strauss skills that impressed her which makes sense the thing that one Vanessa over happens to be the thing that made millions of people all over the world all in love with him to the so basically. That's dating so what I would ask you is, and this'll be helpful. I think for the audience knows like Dave. What was the main rap you did that? You felt really one esther over. An ESTER. What was it about? Dave's wraps that made you finally. Ask Him out well before we get into that I digital. WanNa say. Isn't it kind of weird? That rapping is so masculine, but then when you when you wrap on Broadway, it's actually kind of feminine. While I. I don't. Really feel comfortable with this. Avenue of discussion, okay, that's can just say that by myself and I'll I mean what I liked about. It is that it's gendered and problematic and it. A racial element to is the racial element, and it's also not what we were talking about, so I liked. I liked those aspects of it. I mean I guess we could dive into. Broadway's is very feminine. Well you know I think we're probably not gonNA. Touch St-. Okay well. We can move back to the other one, but I that's fine, and it's not even that it's like totally untouchable does seem a hundred percent worth it. Yeah I'd agree with that too I'd agree with that Dave. Why don't you just do the rap that you did? For me I can't I mean I wouldn't because here's the thing like you remember, so we met at as. Sean Hayes. Said we met. In the Green Room at Hollywood handbook. Esther was recording A. I don't know what episode was, and I was like waiting to record the next one. Just have their name in the title so. Data US recording the episode. That's probably what it was then. You guys and I was like this was like two, thousand, twelve or something and I was like. Oh Hey, I like saw her, and I was too scared, and then a center of facebook message later and invited her to come see wrapped. In the Green Room at Hollywood Hamburg when I was recording next time. At. What I did was I was like right down. Six words on different pieces of paper, and then all pull them out of the hat and start rapping about him. Yes, and I think esther you would exceed. That I basically slade and you were like. There's no way I don't want this man in my life and so I don't remember what the pieces of paper were. I do remember that I took the ones you wrote in tore them up and then just wrote. Words that were like good for me like for rapping like they all run and. You work your shirt. Remember you wore that shirt. That said I right. MR, right. Yeah I have a bunch of shirts that say Mr Right on them. W. R. A., but they also say I. write it, says Mr Right, and then Anita that's as revive right. and. That's what's and it's cool and like shore. saw that she was like okay. Who is this guy who writes well? I just liked that it was so embarrassing, and so that's what's hot for me is like. Not For my name hot for me, Clever is when a guy is so embarrassing and just absolutely willing to humiliate himself in rap, even though he is clearly not good at it not talented not hot at it, but it's like oh! Turn on her well. No, it's like! Oh, I won't be embarrassed for you doing this so then in the future. What won't you be embarrassed doing? You'll buy me my tampons you'll you know by me? My IPAD, my adult diapers one. Like you'll be buying those embarrassing things later when I need them, and that's how I know Oh. You're my Guy Tampons I. Remember that being one of the. Words words, you written down. Yeah, yeah, which is tough, the really the only where the Ryan's with it as crampons, but you use her mountain climbing well, so am this is just a little tip as because obviously I I don't know how you're in a relationship without like the rapping skills, but like did was like like she wants tampons. Maybe girl daughter cramps on that you. You can kinda use. That actually does not rive well. It's sort of a slant rhyme like it's close enough. When he says my baby girl, it actually makes me WANNA vomit EMOJI. It's awful, right? It's that and that's why I'm like okay. He makes me so sick to my stomach. That I wanted to vomit emoji. All over my house that I will be with him because. He makes me sick and you call him a pedophile at least once in the special. Is that correct Oh yeah, okay, so he yeah, but you know turned fence. This was before this was before. COMEDIANS are being accused of being pedophile and it was headed files were. Generating yes, a different time. It was only one of the most important things for the population at large to be accused of and not for people specifically in the comedy. The comedy World Yanic comedy world, so it's like understandable that she was doing it. It hasn't aged as well as you might think. Where at the time that it was written obviously like. Yeah, that were something very bad to be pro. You know like the. Bottom rung of the totem. Pole and like prison terms and The Society Somewhat Yeah Yeah do you want for me? I have a full face of fat and my face. Guys who like me are typically pedophile semi supposed to lie. Am I to lie. No comedy comes from what's true. That's. Yes. That's a book. Yeah, is that the book trying to get? The one book you WanNa buy. Not a book I WANNA I don't WanNa. Buy a ball. I could just explain most of it to you. You just said we wanted to do a whole podcast, said baked for you to buy a book. No, I would like you guys the Hollywood handbook to teach me how to write a book and get paid to do. It redid that once. Oh gallison did that with bj. No back. We wrote it on the show. Yeah, I can do a wrap. Day was mean earlier about me. Being able to Ram, not gonNA actually. Wrap it, but I could say one. Away. So I am of course. I am married to Karen Moss. She is not married. To me, it is a new. Version of a relationship for twenty twenty. Couples do not have to be always married Oh, the wife, Oh because the man is married to the wife. The wife also has to be married to the man. Is this the rap now? It's context I'm explaining. This is the leader of the rap, and if I could do my. Sorry I know, we had an argument a little bit and I want to hear Hayes rap, but just the tampons thing. Do. You think this is a rhyme. Hayes because I know, you didn't like got cramps on, but what if I did and just before I even say this line and Esther comeback. Astor. I'm here before I. Even say the No, you're not I want to be clear so that no one gets upset that I am referring to to my booty. Baby, girl wants tampons. Booty big enough to camp on. Oh, say on's say Camp on Camp Ons. That's the okay, sorry, sorry. Okay your booty. Go ahead enough. Your? Big after Cambodia big enough to campaigns, I loved. So go ahead and do explain your relationship. There's like three or four more minutes of sort of I. Don't know I remember exactly how to start from the beginning. A rolling stone. Gathers no moss. So I'd better stop rolling. Because I'd like to gather like a boss. Eat that Moss until I have my fell. And now it's time for me to take the blue pill. The pill is. By grow. Bad more and that's made. I was doing it. Oh Sean added a little something I liked that. John I was just saying that's the rap that made her want to let you marry her yeah! But Her, but not her dad's so. Yes, that's a wrap that. Made her want to make me marry her. Yes. Interesting. Though are we married? No, am I married her. Yes, here's my ring. Does she wear one? No, she wears earrings different. How long have you been married to her? I have been married to her on and off for. When did revolutions come out two thousand three? Two, thousand seven and now. Year today. I was expecting a different answer after you one year in terms of like complete. Three hundred, sixty, five three hundred sixty five days today. Cumulative Days Yeah. We count the off time in our. We don't all the time, yeah. We include the time before we. Started dating to because that's off, so we do so can I tell you, so you were technically dating her when she was a baby then. Yeah, absolutely, that's the part that I'm the most into. Dave tell them about how we started dating in two thousand and one on. Right after September eleventh tell tell us all right. Okay, so when I was at with Rosie Initially, oh. So when I was in eighth grade, I went to on this trip to new. York with my dance teacher and it was really a formative I saw Broadway plays I took dance class. Anyway, that's for what's important. Is that this at this time? Dave was also living in New York, so he was it. wasn't having a job yet. He was just out of college and had no job was very sad and doing sad sad things, and I was there as anchored, or we were both in the same city at the same time, and that's when we consider that. We started dating because we could've walked past each other on the street. Could have the first time that we theoretically it is dated, so we assume that we did for that Short period of time you could have brushed against each other a an unemployed twenty year old. Yeah, this is so many ugly Manuel Vanessa, where like no. They weren't dating, but in a way their relationship goes all the way back exactly when he was a self described nerd in highschool. No and just to be clear we. Also include the time before that like back to the dawn of time as when we were gambling an all time moving forward, but in terms of like. But we say also that could have been the first time that we. Met Each Other while we were David right but I. Feel like every morning when I wake up, I meet him all over again. I feel yes. I feel the same way, and it's partially because Esther has the fifty first state, but it's also like just because we really love each other I, think and when I go to sleep I, forget. Everything I know so. I relented every day like fifty per states. Allen let you guys talk. Hey guys. Having clothes that fit just right can be a huge confidence booster hurricane indochino started on the belief. That custom clothing shouldn't cost a fortune, and that's obviously true and. The like the company I will say in the company has not done anything wrong. No, the company actually provides a great service I. 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Evolution Online, DOT COM. Yes, yes, sleeping. Online. boy boss doesn't really do any of those thing or publishes content, and I guess it showcases were no definitely. A lot of work goes into these posts. They're very creative very imaginative, and there's all kinds of content on there or one kind of content on there to enjoy in the time since we reserve pictures of distance just remarkable pictures of it has become it. Pictures of animals and animal ranking site first pets, then all kinds of animals. People. Would rank the animals. Then it became more focused on what the animals liked I guess, and and and it became about the animals liking. And one actor in particular Mr. Vince Vaughn. They have really turned on Vince. Since the last ad we did. okay so all bad at all. The in all the photos the animals were thinking about Vince Vaughn thought Dole and all the. People, were man Vince. You've been Vaughn I. You know. I've been. Horny for the first time. What stuff a while it was stuff like that. And I. I think it's great that people were expressing themselves in this fun creative way. They do not like Vince anymore. The animals now are planning I. Don't think it's anything he did and I hope it's not anything I did. You don't think he did anything to to turn the animals on him, but now the posts have become fairly sinister and they are planning. To. KIDNAP AND Harm grievously harm. K. One of America's stars at the silver screen so now this is I just want to make clear this. These are not hosted. By animals, these are people posting pictures of animals. Obviously, if you're just looking at the screen, you, you cannot tell because it is an image of an animal at least. At least the poster at for now has been purporting to be the animal and saying this is what they want or this is what they're planning so. I you know not up to me. 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Do want to say I am locked out of the site so I I do not include myself among those users, but yet note that. They are calling and I am just a spectator. If anything happens as a result this site, please. No, I should be held responsible. I created the space and I have been. Locked away and banned from sometimes, there's actually tabs. I can't even access on it. squarespace empowers millions of people from designers to lawyers artists to Gamers, even restaurants gyms to turn great ideas into something real had to squarespace.com the boys for a free trial when you're ready to lodge theatrical. The boys to save us the offer code the boys to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or debate that squarespace dot com slash. The boys offer code the boys. We were supposed to be doing wraps while we were gonNA. Do some more wraps obviously. I've talked a little bit about my. Wife I love who I am currently a not. Living with she's living with. Another gentleman myself but I still see her all the time. Because I do. Pull my big ASS pickup odd to the front lawn of her house and I shined bright and I drink about. Five Hundred Beers and and I throw them. At the porch and sometimes I fall asleep on the horn. And it doesn't wake me up. so I do still see your, and she's really I actually honestly as cool and beautiful as ever, but the rap that I initially. What are over with? Was You know? I was an advantageous position similar hayes where he noticed that Moss. Like is a thing. As well. Like the last name yeah of the girl. With Stephanie Graf so yeah, actually Dave I just WanNa say by wife is a woman. Okay that's cool. Book and mine, too, and I said, and and so I thought like graph. Math stuff and I was like okay like. But it's dating and I went. I'm I'm with graph at the bar and and you can check the charts. Staying Sharp and target like we're throwing darts. He's like. This is rap. Like cupid with his era when he shoot my heart's. And And And And other and other parts WHOA. Okay cupid shot other parts of in this case. Cuba China a lot of different shawn's part right When you guys air this, are you Kevin GonNa lay down like a sick. The underneath these wraps or well then how it is lay down, probably not the ones that you interrupted in the middle of them. Okay. That's smart. That Brian. A Little Bit Yeah I love that he was so nasty, but then when nastiness came for me, I no longer wanted to be a part of it when some guests are. Do you like them? They're. The guests, which ones who are you thinking of? What just any that you might lead, they might help it instead of heard it guests that we like. Kevin you probably got the list. Kevin's kind of the in house historian. What guests that you like Kevin Little Trivia any guests. That were good weird. AL helped it. Okay, yeah, helped. And also offered us Tickets take a show afterwards. That was really nice free tickets. You guys go yeah Hell yes king. Okay! We have free tickets for you. Wow to what? To Dave's battle. The Yard, pandemic friendly rap battle. Against Kevin for my love. While I'm a little nervous about it, but I think that's GonNa like. Give it in extra sort of charge for people who come and watch it. Yeah, because the states are quite frankly high like I'm learning every minute just how high they are, and so I think it's like I'm to be very motivated to win, but also pretty bad at wrapping the idea of reminding of of you meeting each other a every day. Reminding me so much of Palm Springs in that reminds me. Wendy you all plan on announcing that you have seen and that you liked it So I missed the first way. Okay, so it's a good question so like. I didn't get a screener for it so obviously. I was out I couldn't do the tweets that were like hey. I got to see this and it's amazing. Yeah, and I thought about trying to get in like the very first wave opening weekend and be like. Night, up hits who you're watching boom, everybody, check this out I'm on new hotness like. That's cool, but you missed that. I missed that and I did watch it opening weekend I did really enjoy it, but obviously that's not relevant like the question is. When do you get Wendy? Sad. Man, we get credit for that so i. have a I like obviously. I've been taking about it and. My latest thought, which is a little crazy is like wait till award season and be like hey like. Do People like we always talk about how comedies are overlooked. Let's me real like Andy and kristen gave like phenomenal performances. Why aren't they in the Congress and I? Agree with all that like that like that is a cool time to jump in, but obviously you guys know my take well. Just tell the audience so that they're reminded us what the PODCAST is for should have been called tree. and. It's a hot take. It's blazing hot. That is because they don't go to Joshua Tree in the movie the movie. I love watching it. But when I think about the title, I, go, US. Call this baby Joshua Tree. Right because it's. Because it's close to Joshua, tree, but in palm springs in because there's none of the music from that seminal fame. As. Asked her. When are you GONNA announce Dave? Why don't you tell them what by announcement plan? What would I did? Well after a different way, which is, she hadn't seen it, but announced any way that she liked it on. was sort of like the I have loved now. That was bad too. I know that the producers produced my show, so that's what you do. Don't walk and you stamp of approve. Can we get the exact language? I believe I said. This is a great poster and a great movie. Something like that and then tagged Okay, I think. You weren't tied of subtly indicating that you hadn't seen it by the postal. Was your favorite part of it so the poster, I? Sometimes we don't even know what we're telling people. What with our actions Mitzner, alert, national and Listrik. Didn't you love the poster I? Did I loved all? I'll. Mobile Really Fun, so for people who have seen the movie. People tend to think about the movie more than the poster. Once you've seen the movie and I am not everybody well, not everyone, but again like it's hard. You haven't seen the movie, but only seeing the poster to Kinda. Like compare the two because there's a little more about it. What's hard about it at all? You have to see the Sure I mean you wouldn't understand. You haven't seen the movie, but you still sell sorry day if I something no, no, no, no, no, no, Dave! Here's something they don't. Doing this Dave Dave, we are not doing this. I work in Hollywood. Okay, so when a movie comes out does not matter what you think about it. Do you understand so? Why do I watch it? I don't I just tell people that it was good because I want to work with the people who made the movie I. Don't need to watch. It I. Don't need to have an opinion i. just need to let the world know that I liked it I only need no one thing about people who made a movie. and. That's that they made a movie. Well Esther I think so. This is instructive, actually because I totally agree with you and I wasn't didn't mean to imply at all that you should even see the movie before commenting on it, but my point was at I think Sean Hayes for getting this. If you're going to like talking about the poster, instead of just the blatant lie of Ice Up Palm Springs, and I loved it. It's amazing, everyone see. It almost suggests that you hadn't seen the movie. When that was not your intention, your intention was to just fall on lie about having seen it which I fully support, and it's almost like you pulled your punch a little. So in the future and I'll help you in the future. It's something we can work together There's probably like some other comedies coming down the pipe that are going to be important for. This is almost kind of a rap. Doing I'm sure have. Turned on just listening to me, he's disagree with her point out the ways in which she's misunderstanding things where your rear wrong because Luke. Did you ever see that thing that Sean Hbo where the Guy At the end he goes. I killed them. All of course didn't see it was great. See how he did that. Jinx. Yes, we're talking about James. Say I. I was going to say that the same time. Did you watch that together? We. We dead and my point is that you tell them all. Right? I was asking everybody. Me Did you see Sean Yeah. Do, we all agree by the way that the pandemic and the zoom setups has been such a blessing for comedy in terms of timing, and in terms of getting everyone like it, instead of like being in the same room and breathing down each other's next. There's that little split second pause. Race face where. Yeah you you talk, and then someone else starts to talk, so you stop, but then they give you room. It's that sort of like awkwardness and discomfort in the sound of like esther going through papers right now, which I was just like also growing up all of that together. It's like we're going to look back on this. We start working in actual route like writers rooms again and stuff we're going to be like. Why are we just zooming? It was. Like it had me on edge all the time I never knew to jump in and win to make a joke. When did not can I pick something for the instagram post? So it's not my show but Sharia astor. Are you here? Okay? She's back. Okay what if you do like a mash up post of two movies and it's like palm spring breakers. As, so it kind of implies that you've seen it, but it's also like an amazing joke. I WANNA to be clear. I have a bit about that already, so I don't think I stole it from. You I feel like I should just get out of the way and let Estrin Kevin lives our lives to get. That was magic man I mean she scavenged about rap and you can just feel. Feel it, and that's really the the sort of like. When the male peacocks breads his plumage, yes, but their vibe I wonder if it is a result of kind of the fluidity of the Zoom format has to be that. Have you to admit over zoom? You might have this kind of connection, but you won't have that opportunity at it because you met in New York when she was fourteen. The. the I think. The summer of nine eleven is out. With. The fall uh-huh. those are heady days eighth grade. I want us. I I think is. More like thirteen thirteen. Maybe! There's something. Maybe there's a mash up here. I'm just GONNA Trust and trying to be like Kevin the Esera like me, but maybe there's a match up of the movie eighth grade and the Ulverston nine eleven movie that Esther can do about her personal life World Grade Center. World Grade Center. Esther d like fee. Maybe At this is, this is not as good, but maybe it's. Why is six afraid of seven because eighth grade nine eleven. That can be cute children's book I feel. Yeah good. Special is still not working. It says the the file. Is corrupted. Files sick. That's bad. It's not like it's not like the stream or something like the actual file. Guy Do something to the file of your Special I. Mean I made that? Maybe my standup is so good. It's corrupt defile defile. I don't know. Seems Unlikely throw a bed? Comedy central isn't really network anymore so that it's kind of. It's kind of unclear for everybody how to find it. People keep calling Netflix special, so it's not right. No, it's not netflix past. It's kind of like a go cash. Thing is what it is. You're trying to get people. It's missed like if you can find the special than you're like one of the luck cracks. Yeah, I, think. Are you guys getting reimbursed for comedy central defrauding you. What did you mean I got an email the other day? That said they were going to give me a little money because they didn't pay me enough. And they really sued, and now they have to pay me. Someone sued them on my behalf. Let's drift for what for what show they didn't say. Wow could have been nixed worsens. Pretend time have been big lake. Right we don't know. Wow. Hadn't heard about this. So. That's all that happened to me. No one asked me what was going on with me, but just. I was not CC`ed. Nice Oh, that's so that is clever and fun comedies Andrew, so Kevin, you do, arap, and then we can go rapper that man I rap, the first one hundred digits of Pi. Three point one, four, five, point, zero, zero, three, nine, one, three, four, seven, six, nine, one, hundred, two, three, four, five, hundred, hundred, hundred is one of them, yeah! One zero zero and that's kind of might spin on it to him. He's kind of you guys. You know Mike Kaplan yeah sure. Yes, that's yeah. I know you do cavity all listen to hard and firm. With Chris with hardback. Yeah, I guess I. Don't know that Guy's name I I know the other one, but your affirmed guy. and are you? Cool with for eating during the PODCAST, or how do we feel much better weather? Than leaving to file paperwork. That's what you need is up in Annaborough I've decided that I've been to annoying and I'm not going to talk anymore, kids. Hey. Nobody thinks you're annoying. What but? You seem uncomfortable on the show and you're so scared of the show and the show is just here to be friends with you. We all want to laugh and have fun and everyone just it's a normal podcasts where you get on. You pretend the relationship is not what it actually is. People Make Fun of you, and then you're forced to do a rap on the spot. It's not like it's I. Don't understand what is so nerve wracking about that and then also people hear it. And then make jokes about it to you on social media. About your personal relationship? I sometimes years, and they misunderstand elements of it. What's not to love about that? That's what we're saying. Why wouldn't you put yourself in that spot? esters trying hard to get right now and I know this stirred. It reminds me of Lake when we first started dating and I probably had to wrap three or four thousand times before she would like actually agree to go out on a date with me well, she asked you out we actually. She asked me out. That's right. Governess. When you follow the Lin Manuel method, it will work, you will break them down eventually one hundred percent of the time, yeah! Miranda. Yeah, Miranda! You are i. t s well I. You have to study the Lin-manuel and then you get your Verandah rights. As their. What's the most expensive people can watch your show? Yeah, the most expensive way might be a purchase on itunes or Amazon and the least expensive is wait for August second. It'll be in front of the paywall on what on the comedy central APP. On Youtube now, no, no, no, not you to. Unless you're Youtube TV, but that's John. was saying earlier. That's not something that he is able to I. Don't know I can't see it. Comedy Central Album allowed to have no southbound, no beavis and butthead. T I thought. Well Viacom you said earlier that comedy central's not even a network, but I just got to ask them. How come they're doing to new seasons, Beavis and Butthead, surely not if it's supposed to be saying that that show, my special is like a really pretty girl. Right like when you want a pretty girl, you can just be like. Hey, you. WanNa Burger you gotTA. Rap Three Thousand Times so, that's my special. It's hard to get you. Don't you have to earn my special? You can't just watch it. Can you tell us a line that maybe Dave doesn't even remember that he wrapped to you. That actually made you like believe Whoa. This dude is actually my gladiator absolutely. My name is Dave and I sleep apnea and our Freitas. and. My name's Dave. Dave is Dave and I have sleep apnea. I'm. So tired, but I'm still. GonNa. Wrap up for. That really was the one where like I saw her smile for the first time. And she was exhausted from listening to me, but I saw just like the hint of a smile now like I am in, and then he just started then just research Kevin's life just started rapping facts about him, and pretending that I was Kevin Yup. What's Lake smooth sailing unknowing. Cyrano in this spewed a romance. Having from NAPERVILLE C-PAP of the RAPA. Get a room heavens from Naperville Jesus unfortunately I I did watch Astor's special last night and As actually made it hard for me to do the show. In some ways, and maybe you feel that a little bit that it has felt a little stilted, because she says right up top in the special that she does not like the word, Horny but often what we're discussing on this program is horning. You can feel us kind of and also actually that word aster is the reason all of us are alive so before you don't you're? Horny energy, it doesn't need to be that word to describe it okay well. It's working pretty well so far, so yeah, you can argue seven billion people in the world. It could work better got us this far. Everything could be better. That's kind of the message of the special, isn't it? Everything of the special could be better, but I didn't want to. that. Well Goodbye.
Ep 410 Dr. Monica Migliorino Miller
"The. Welcome. You're listening to the crosswalk with deacon Kevin Andrews a show about living life at the intersection of faith, family and vocations. And now your host Deakin Kevin good afternoon and thanks for tuning into the crosswalk here today in the radio network. I'm your host deacon, Kevin Anderson. This is kind of a big a big day in the life of Barroga radio because this is actually the first crosswalk that is being transmitted over our brand new fiber optic cable, which literally just went on fifteen minutes prior to the recording of the show, so as all technological things in IT things. Go will keep our prayers. Keep it in our prayers that the switch over of the switch has worked in will provide for more sustainable and reliable signal for all of our shows being broadcast over the air. Here. We are coming to the end of lent and coming to the end of something else that's going on all across the country. And that is the forty days. For life campaign in part of that forty days for life that end that is going to be a candlelight vigil on April thirteenth that has organized for a group called protest, Planned Parenthood or hashtag protest p p vigils. There's going to be one here in traverse city and there'll be one in Petoskey on April thirteenth as well in. So my guest today is Dr Monica Nikola Reno Miller, and she is a nationally known pro-life leader founder and director of citizens for a pro-life society active in the pro-life movement since nineteen seventy six she is also professor of theology at Madonna university in Livonia, Michigan. She's an author of several published books and articles including sexuality in the thorny in the Catholic church in abandoned, the untold story of the abortion wars. Dr Miller, welcome to the crosswalk so pleased to be with you. Thank you so much in again, the forty days for life campaign is is coming to an end. There's this vigil coming up at the end of. Of that campaign in also the other big news item. That's occurring right now is the movie unplanned, which is in feeders, as we speak that is actually got in some some pretty good reviews in in again, another kind of a Christian based moral story that has done well in the box offices, kind of probably at the the chagrin of the Hollywood elites. But, but you you've been in this along I I would say, you know, reading your bio, and in reading kind of your history that you know, you you're kind of in the pro-life movement, right? From the beginning that you've been a pioneer in in really a warrior in this movement. And so maybe the listener just a little bit of a background of kind of where you've been in. How you got initially into the pro-life movement. Well, I got I got involved very early. I was only twenty three years old. And I was a recently graduated from southern Illinois university with a with a bachelor's of science degree in theater. So my my interest was in theater and in films. So I guess that's why now I'm just writing movie reviews, but in any case, I got involved in the act of this movement. I moved Chicago to study theology at Loyola University to get my degree in my masters. Agree, the algae. And then they went on to get a PHD as well. But I met Joseph Scheider of the pro life action league when I was a graduate student in Chicago and got involved in sidewalk counseling outside outside of abortion clinics. And also I also participated in the early days of the pro-life, shall we say sit in movement, even though we don't call them sit ins, they're rescues of on born children from abortion. So I I know the ins and outs of a of a of jail cell and also the ins and outs of courtroom. And and I was actually twenty four just merely a mere twenty four years old when I under the leadership of Joseph Scheider participated in my first rescue in nineteen seventy eight in nineteen eighty five. I founded my own. A pro-life activist group citizens for a pro-life society. And we've been we've been going full full steam ahead ever since and down in the down in the trenches of the of the pro-life effort, and I do have my book which actually chronicles nineteen nineteen to twenty years of the of prolife activism abandoned, the untold story of the abortion wars published by Saint Benedict press in the year of twenty twelve. So if people wanna take a look at that book, it's certainly available Amazon has has it, of course, and just go to Saint Benedict press, and you'll be able to get it one of the one of the things these the red rose rescue project, which you helped organize. What what what is the red rose rescue project or protests Ari? Yeah. Well, no, that's fine. We'll call it. An in a way, it's really a Christian apostolate people may have a memory of the nineteen eighties in the nineteen nineties when there was a very vigorous robust pro-life rescue movement would actually had involved literally thousands of pro-lifers who would gather together and engage in nonviolent direct action efforts to protect unborn children. Who were then in there at these abortion centers scheduled for abortion? And there's a lot of complicated reasons. I actually talk about some of some of this in my book as to why that movement faded out. And yet there were there. There's always been a contingent of us, including myself that always felt that the that the pro-life movement to have that. Kind of witness and that kind of Christian defense of on born children, and so two years ago this month a bunch of got together and in April of twenty seventeen to talk about it is there is there a place for a rescue movement in in the pro-life effort, and we all came to the agreement that yes, yes, we need to do this. And we we decided we were going to do things a little bit differently from the way things have been done in the heyday of the rescue movement. So we call our effort the red rose rescues. And so that means we we will go a small team a small team between three to six people. We'll go into an abortion center, actually, go into the waiting room, and we will quietly sit down next to the moms that are scheduled for abortion. We will talk with them. We will provide them with. Literature educational pamphlets about the humanity of them born Sheild and try to persuade one on one quietly in the waiting room, persuade them to make a decision to give life to their babies, and we've done thirteen since September of twenty seventeen that was that was the first day that we did started to do the actual rescues that we've done thirteen of them's us, thus far of the most the most recent took place just last month on the nineteenth on the feast of Saint Joseph two of them took place in Washington DC, and we take roses into the abortion center with us, and we'll offer them to the moms offer them to the staff. And the the point though is if the women don't listen to us that they still make a decision despite our efforts to. Swayed them, we we will stay with those those babies that are about ready to go to their execution. We will abide with them. We will we will be in solidarity with them, and we know from our own experience that it. There's a pro-life presence inside the abortion center. Abortions are not happening. They're not happening as long as we're there at one of the rescues in Washington DC that father Stephen in Barato was involved with they closed that clinic for four hours. They had an opportunity to talk to every woman coming to that abortion center, actually, had at least three Catholic priests participate in the red rose rescues notably a father Fideles motion ski of the Franciscan friars of the renewal in the in in the Bronx the org. That was founded by father Benedict Rochelle. He's been very father Fideles has been very involved with the with the red rose rescue ministry. And so we hope that the the movement our efforts will grow we ask people to join us, and there's just lots and lots of ways that people can participate. I mean, we've had we've had people going into the abortion centers with us, but they opted to leave when the police come in. And they they they command at people leave or you're going to be placed under arrest. We, you know, you have the option you if you, but at least you're there, you try to talk to the moms before whatever reason at that time, you don't feel able to commit to being placed under arrest because then it means you're going to be going to court, and that's part of the red rose rescue part of what we're doing is giving that public witness in the halls of Justice to advocate and to witness to the sanctity of human life. Before the judge the jury the bailiffs if they're pro-abortion people that come to our trials the media. So this is a this is part of the effort last summer three of us actually did about just over a month of of jail time at the Oakland County jail here in Michigan is a consequence of one of the red rose rescues that we did in in Bloomfield hills at the Jacob Kahlo abortion center, but you know, in going, but here's the thing, you know, even going to jail ministry. I my my experience was to minister to the to the broken women. I know I'm living thirty four days with with, you know, a women that have been sent to jail for for various offenses and some of them had abortions and some of them are actually pregnant in in jail. And I'm able to be there for them and counsel them and listen to them and and try to provide them with. Guidance. And they come to me like a magnet. You know? I didn't pay couldn't blue leave that I was in jail for for trying purpose. Right. Right. Exactly. They couldn't believe it. There's no way that you're for that. Well, yes. Yes. I'm glad you cleared that up because when you started I was thinking to myself. We'll wait a minute. I've got the my office. My business office is right next to the Planned Parenthood clinic here in traverse city intentionally right? I mean I purchased the building next next to that for my own business. But so that the I don't I'm not quite sure they know what moved in next door that a Catholic deacon, you know, owns the building next to them Impreza rotary for the end of abortion everyday from his office window looking at the front door, but the forty days for life is out there, you know, right now in we allow our building to be used for restrooms and things like that limb to store scientists in stuff to to support that to support that ministry, but we've had they've had the cops called on them for doing. I mean, they know their boundaries this public sidewalk in yet. I was kind of wondering, well, how are you walking in the front door and sitting waiting room because these people have Airlie can barely walk down the sidewalk getting the police called on them yet you're walking into the front door with no ramifications. But you're saying there are ramifications obviously for doing for doing that. But we. We have we have a spiritual purpose for not leaving the the unborn. Who are scheduled for abortion. Have no one literally no one not even their own parents to advocate for them. And we feel very strongly that someone needs to be there to embrace them to stand up for them. And to literally be in the place where they're going to be carted off down the hallway to their deaths. And so I I like in what we're doing to to something that Saint Mother Theresa said that what was her. What was her her purpose for founding, the missionaries of charity to go into the dark holes of the poor? And so it actually to be with the poor to go where the poor live Goto to abide with the poor in their own experience. Since and that's what we're trying to do in a red rose rescue. We are going into the dark holes of the abortion centers where human life is wiped out extinguished where the unborn are abandoned. And so that that I have a couple of videos that people wanna take a look at how you know. You know, how it is that we understand what we're doing to explain what we're doing. So there's some videos up on YouTube. All you gotta do is just put in the search box on YouTube red rose rescue in are two videos will will come up very long. They're only like ten minutes. Maybe not even ten minutes. But people want to get a better understanding of our our purpose, and our our spirituality that would be a good place to start. Deacon Kevin understands for tune into the crosswalk today. My guest is Dr Monica Miglino Miller, and she's a nationally known pro-life leader founder in director of citizens for pro-life society. We've just been discussing her red rose rescue protests that they do that she's organized where they actually go into abortion clinics to meet with mothers as waiting in the waiting room trying to to me with them into encourage them to keep the baby. Obviously to to not have have the abortion, you Dr Miller, you've also you've done some other kind of outstanding things is in. You've actually went into dumpsters of abortion clinics rescued the remains of aborted babies, and then and then actually have taken photographs of those remains to show the horror of abortion, and then did a corporate work of mercy in organizing funerals for for these babies. Just an unbelievable thing. I know for people that have a hard time. Even picturing what it is. But then. To actually physically be there to do it to collect that the collect the remains of those those beautiful souls, and then you know to give them a burial something spectacular. I mean, how is that is that affected your your ministry? Well, I tell you it's something that completely changes your life. Your new you're never the same after you've actually encountered literally held in your own hands. The broken bodies of the victims of abortion, and I had this very rare experience of doing that in in the year of nineteen eighty seven nineteen eighty eight and then again in the year two thousand and eight and also in in the year twenty ten so not that long ago, and then I should add actually we the last time we buried aborted babies was just this past November of twenty eighteen. And these were the fifteen aborted babies that were discovered by the west Bloomfield police department in the trunk of Michigan abortion car, Michael Roth who apparently was doing abortions on in in hotel rooms, and oh, yeah. It's something else. But we got we were entrusted with the remains of these fifteen aborted babies through the Oakland County medical examiner's office. I have to tell you it took almost two years to get those bodies. This was not an easy thing to do. But they finally entrusted us with those bodies. And so they're buried be buried him in November of twenty eighteen but I do talk in in detailed. I tell the story of how we found the remains of aborted babies in nineteen eighty seven and in nineteen eighty eight in in my book abandoned, the untold story of the abortion wars and the photography. We felt it was very important to to to make a record of these victims. So that they these babies that no one was ever supposed to find. No. But no one was ever supposed to see these human beings. Literally. I am not exaggerating thrown out in the trash. They they were in trash dumpsters behind abortion clinics. They were left out for the trash at. A pathology lab in Northbrook, Illinois. I talk about talk about that experience. How we found those bodies but the record of their humanity. We felt was very very important. And actually, we have a website that's dedicated to abortion victim photography. And actually, there's some videos up on that website, also, which is images of abortion dot com and people from all over the world us those photos for their pro-life work for their own in. They make posters of those of photos, and they're there for for anyone to to us at images of abortion dot com. Which is interesting by not even to talk about this particular subject because of the of the movie that out in the theaters now unplanned, I did a movie review, which is if people wanna read it. All they gotta do is just go to crisis magazine dot com and scroll down the homepage. My review on the homepage. This is a very good movie, doesn't it could have been a little bit better for certain reasons, which I don't know we'll have time to talk about that. But it is a good movie. And one of the things that unplanned does is it they say in the headline of of my review it didn't play it safe. Right. I mean, this movie has an R rating for reason, and this movie is I think I can I can very safely say that. It's it's it's the first time that any feature film that is in a wide distribution that deals with the subject of abortion really shows you what is abortion. And and so for that reason, it's it's it may be for some people some somewhat of a difficult movie to watch. But I think you'd in my review, you know, how do you do a movie about what goes on inside of a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic and not show. What goes on in the clinic? Right. Right. So to try and sanitize it or or, you know, find some sort of a some sort of movie trick to not to not expose. Does the violence of abortion? I think would have been a huge mistake. And thankfully, this movie. Did not make that mistake. So I, you know, I give it high a lot of credit for for doing that. And I think I think it did that very very well. And so I I do give this movie a positive review people can read it at crisis magazine dot com, and it can see what some of my criticisms are. But but but overall, I thought this was a was a bold piece of film, making sure and and and it deserves to be seen dick and Kevin Andrews things for tune into the crosswalk here on the burger radio network is after noon, my guest is Dr Monica Mitte Reno Miller, and she's a nationally known pro-life leader take a quick break. When we come back. We'll continue with Dr Miller and a little bit more about the movie on planned and some of the. The other things again, they can't wait vigil coming up in April thirteenth around the country and in here northern Sheehan as well. Stay tuned. Are you a business owner or to taken maker would you like to gain the ability for your business and support Catholic radio at the same time? Underwriters important part of the team that's ports. Our operation all eight four four two three eight five zero eight today to find out more. Welcome back to the crosswalk with your host deacon. Kevin good afternoon. Thanks for tuning into the crosswalk here on the bigger radio network. I am your host deacon Kevin Andrews in my guest today is Dr Monica Miglino Miller, and she is a nationally known pro-life leader before the break. We were talking about her red rose rescue project protests that she does the time she spent in jail doing that meeting with pregnant young pregnant women in the abortion clinic, waiting room themselves risking being arrested and spending three days in jail for that work. And then just started the touch on the new movie that everybody is heard about that's in the theatres right now, the unplanned movie, featuring kind of the the life of Abby Johnson and her transition from running in abortion clinic for Planned Parenthood to becoming kind of a pro-life champion herself and turning her life around based on what she saw in the clinic. And that's kind of what we were talking. About before the break. Dr Miller is is it's kind of hard to really hit home the idea of abortion without really knowing. What abortion does? And I think that that's kind of what you what you brought to light when you publish the photos of those aborted, you know, infants remains that you got from a dumpster from an abortion clinic, and you know, and I I've seen some of those photos, you know, different rallies and people have big signs of your pictures. You know print it out, you know, to show what what is the destruction of abortion know, people push back and say, why do you have to go there and do that? But that isn't that the reality though, that people need to see it's kind of it's kind of like the movie too and unplanned, some of the some of the the scenes where like you said, they go into the clinic in kind of give you a a reenactment of, you know, wanting to Boertien really is. And it's one of those things where you don't wanna see it. But you kinda have to see it. And then once you see, you can't unsee it. Right. But it's kind of what we need in society. Because over time. My guess is you've been in this pro-life movement rate from the beginning that it's changed considerably from Roe v. Wade until now that your protest to it. I know the the vocabulary has changed in the discussion considerably, you know, what I mean, I don't even refer to you know, babies aborting babies, we talk about you know, fetuses and clumps of cells and things like that. And it what what has I mean, what has kind of been that transition of the pro-life movement over time. Well, I do think even though right now Robie Robie Wade is still there every single on born child is at risk of being aborted in some ways in terms of the law. The law does not protect any of them. When all is said and done nonetheless. I do think that there has been an increase in the awareness of the. Humanity of the unborn child. Even the evidence is there just by pointing we can just point to the the new state initiatives of that. We see literally all over the the country with fetal heartbeat bills. Like enjoy dismember banning dismemberment abortions abortions being banned for twenty week pain capable the babies that are at least twenty at twenty weeks, and they're just station. And and and and then, you know, you even see how the other side is so radical in their commitment to abortion that some some states, and and and notably the state of Newark legalizing abortion for the full nine months of pregnancy and on celebrating it. Well. Celebrating. My gosh. What is a word? They're in a words. But before we run out of time. I do want to let people know about the protests p p event that are that are happening in one of the national organizers for the for the protests p p annual protests of planned Parenthood's, and this is our fifth year and this year, we decided the other national leaders which Mark Harrington of created equal and Eric Seidler of the pro life action league, we decided that we were going to do something somewhat different this year. So instead of the conventional picket of Planned Parenthood, we're going to have a vigil. So we're going to come out, and we're going to focus on prayer. And we have over a hundred of these prayer. Vigils that will be taking place all over the United States April thirteenth, and as you've already indicated there will be a one of these Digital's in Petoskey at the Planned Parenthood and task Michigan. That one starts at seven o'clock at the Planned Parenthood on spring street in Petoskey, and then and traverse city and traverse city. The Planned Parenthood is on eighth street. And that vigil begins at eight fifteen and we'll go until about nine fifteen, and so people can bring bring candles, you should be because, you know, even if it's still daylight, we we'll we'll get to light them. We're gonna light the candles as a symbol of the light of the truth regarding the the the sanctity of life, and of course, in in showing that Jesus is the light of the world and. And the God will one day bring about an end to the injustice of abortion. So we really hoped this is all very family friendly vigils. So in the not gonna you know, they're only an hour. Maybe at the most an hour and a half, they might have some some of these vigils might even be less than an hour, but come on out stand up for life, get out on the street show the world that you are you're you're against abortion, and that you are going to stand up for the unborn. And you're gonna publicly pray to end abortion. So the website of people in check out, you know, what what is protests p p all about. In fact, all of the all of the locations are up on the website. So you can you can find exactly where you want to go on April thirteenth. So just go to protest p p. Of course, was the initials protest p p dot com. And you click on the locations tab at the top there and scroll down to Michigan. And you'll see we have eleven we think we're going to add Lansing. So hopefully, we might be up to twelve just in the state of Michigan eleven to twelve of these vigils are going to be taken place all over the all over the state of Michigan. Sure and listeners are listening. You don't find one in your location? You can actually click on the other button to sign onto lead a vigil of your own just to to get involved in you, find out more information about you know, why we buy they do protests, and why we should protest, and then, you know, as a button to donate to the cause as well again that website is protest p dot com. Those candlelight vigils across the country will be on April thirteenth coming up very shortly. Dr Miller, I wanna thank you for coming on the show today. I wanna thank you for all of your your work and your tireless work in your, you know, risky work for a lot of people in your your willingness to. You know to some degree be persecuted. By love the way, that you said that, you know, and even being, you know, arrested and spending time in jail as all part of the ministry and ministering to all of those people if you're ministering to the people in the courts, you're ministering to the people that are in the gills that you're that you're with at it's all part of that. It's not something that you're giving up. It's just another giving you into another location of of people in being able to to minister to them. So just a beautiful find out some more about red roads rescues they could just go to our website pro-life sihities one word pro-life Thia T dot com. Excellent. Well, we'll continue to pray for you and your ministry and in for the the the candlelight vigil coming up on April thirteenth for your red rose rescue project for for the pro-life society pre- for all of those you know, out there that are are on the front lines in really supporting the pro-life movement in in looking for an end to abortion, again, the movie on planned in theaters Vietnam paternity to see it. I'm sure there will be other opportunities after it leaves the theater when it hits DVD. One of those things that I think to really understand what abortion is like, Dr Miller said you gotta kinda see it. So so documentary. Thank you for for being with us today. Thank you. And God bless you. And thank you for tune into the crosswalk here in the bigger radio network growing in our relationship with Jesus is a lifelong journey every journey begins with the first step. I'll pray for you today that you have the courage to pick up your cross in follow him on deacon. Kevin God bless your week. Thanks for listening to the crosswalk with deacon. Kevin join us again next week exclusively on the radio.
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Biden, in Kenosha, vows that America will address racism and original sin of slavery
"The Daily Two? Oh, two podcast is brought to you by facebook at facebook we continue to take steps to better secure our platforms. What's next? We support updated Internet regulations to set new standards for data portability privacy and elections learn more at about dot F. B. dot com, slash regulation. Cute morning. I'm reese Tibo with the Washington Post and this is the daily two. Oh, two it's Friday. September four. James is out but I'm here again with the day's top headlines, your three stories that should be on your radar. Up I Matt visor and Dan Simmons report that Joe. Biden thrust his campaign into the roiling national debate over police violence and racial justice on. Thursday. The Democratic presidential nominee traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin and pointedly embraced the nation's racial reckoning vowing improvements if elected president during an emotional meeting held in a church not far from looted downtown buildings. Biden made some of his most direct comments yet on the subject of race growing introspective at times and speaking barely above a whisper, he sent the shock over the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis and the shooting that paralyzed Jacob Blake and Kenosha has provided the First, window in generations for the nation to address centuries. Old Problems. Biden said quote were finely now getting to the point where we're going to address the original sin in this country slavery and all the vestiges of it. I can't guarantee you everything get solved in for years, but I can guarantee you one thing. It will be a whole heck of a lot better in tone and dialogue. Biden's trip differed dramatically from that of president trump two days earlier. The former vice president met with blakes family and spoke with Blake by phone for fifteen minutes before meeting with community leaders trump had toured buildings burned after protests over the shooting and his audience was heavy with law enforcement. Once again, Biden opposed looting and violence but he also cited with the sentiments of the street Biden met for an hour with Blake's parents, siblings and legal team, and he spoke on the phone with Blake who was shot seven. Times and had just been released from the ICU recounting their conversation. Biden said, he talked about how nothing was going to defeat him how whether he walked again or not? He was not going to give up and up next a story from my colleagues David Nakamura Matt's Petoskey and Kobe quits on Thursday a chorus of election officials, legal analysts, and social media companies rushed to condemn encounter president trump suggestion that his supporters attempt to vote more than once. They warned that doing so could be a crime and they expressed fear that he was undermining the election system. The pushback included pointed statements from an array of federal and local officials, as well as direct action from facebook and twitter to attempt to limit the spread of the president's misinformation and trump had urged supporters during an official White House event in North Carolina on Wednesday to send in a ballot through the. Mail and then attempt to cast in one at polling sites on election day in an effort to test the system, he has stated repeatedly that universal mail in voting would lead to rampant voter fraud despite evidence to the contrary the head of the North Carolina. State Board of elections issued a lengthy statement emphasizing that attempting to cast multiple ballots is a class one felony and that soliciting someone to vote twice is. Also. A crime and Michigan's Democratic Attorney General and Secretary of State both vowed to prosecute those trying to vote more than once facebook announced it would remove a video of trump's initial remarks and twitter appended unnoticed two of the president's tweets ruling that they violated the site's rules about civic and election integrity trump and other administration officials sought to justify the president's comments and minimize the political fallout on twitter trump wrote. that he was only instructing those who vote by mail to follow up at their polling place to make sure the ballots have been counted. Democrats and state election officials from both parties have pushed to make it easier for people to vote by mail to help protect against the spread of the coronavirus at crowded polling places responding to trump's comments biden used the president of trying to de legitimize the US election system. The president's remarks in North Carolina marked his latest attempts to Impune the integrity of mail in voting, which trump believes would favor biden and our final story comes to us from Gillian Briquet cal a reporter for the posts history block retrievals house speaker. Nancy. Pelosi was slammed by Republicans this week after Fox News obtained surveillance footage of her inside a San Francisco Salon the Problem California stylists have been banned from working indoors for months because of the pandemic and the footage showed her with her mask pulled down her neck. The White House pounced on it, and even the owner of the Salon said it was a quote slap in the face. Pelosi. Insisted it was set up the stylist had told her it was okay to have one client inside at a time and she had her mask down only briefly while getting a shampoo but we can't say history didn't warn her haircuts styles have been landing politicians in hot water for a long time in nineteen ninety-three. The. Washington Post's reliable source revealed that President Bill Clinton got a haircut aboard air. Force One as it sat on a runway in Los. Angeles other outlets reported the trim had delete commercial flights. The rumours of an air traffic jam turned out to be untrue but the cost of the haircut two hundred dollars was still a scandal nearly fifteen years later, former senator. John Edwards seemed to almost repeat Clinton's hair force one fiasco once again, media reported on his expensive haircuts from Beverly Hills stylist. But this time they cost four hundred dollars the stylist was flown in the charges showed up on Edwards campaign spending reports, Edwards who is running for president on an anti poverty platform said he was embarrassed and reimbursed the campaign. But it turned out that wasn't his only hair reason campaign behavior. He was also having an extramarital affair. Edwards was eventually indicted on corruption charges at trial. He was found not guilty on one charge and a mistrial was declared on the other charges and in two thousand twelve, the New York Post claimed the disgraced politician was going to super cuts where the charge was twelve dollars and ninety five cents but political hair changes are not always perilous. On. The campaign trail in eighteen sixty Abraham Lincoln was described as gaunt hatchet faced and a horrid looking wretch. Then he got a letter from eleven year old Grace Bedell who advised him if you will let your whiskers grow, you would look a great deal. Better he listened and perhaps more importantly that style tip was free. And that's the daily two. Oh, two for Friday September fourth. Thank you for listening enjoying the holiday weekend and stay safe. Home. Among. The daily. Two Oh, two podcast is brought to you by facebook at facebook we continue to take steps to better secure our platforms. 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Bonus Episode 5
"Hi Everybody I'm Dan Kleinman Editor in chief of Yahoo News and welcome to this bonus episode of Yahoo News Conspiracy Land a new podcast podcast series on the murder of seth rich brought to you by skulduggery. I'm here with my colleague and skulduggery Co host Mike Issakov Yahoo News chief investigative correspondent and the host host conspiracy land and beyond Drita veteran news broadcaster WHO's reported for A._B._C. News C._B._C.. News is currently a C._N._N.. Contributor and is our former colleague at Yahoo in these special episodes we will tell the story behind the story of conspiracy land explore the larger themes this tangled and tragic case raises and here from Mike what it was like to report on the seth rich murderer as he plumbed the depths of the dark Netherworld of American political conspiracies each bonus podcast will be available available with the episode corresponds to today. We're discussing episode five Fox News Fallout Welcome back. Is it so intrigue. Let's dig right into it all right ISIKOFF <unk>. Who is Melissa Zimmerman? She is a Fox News website reporter based in California. She was an investigative reporter she he did some work on the Hilary Clinton email investigation during the two thousand sixteen campaign and she ends up being the reporter who Ed Batoszewski works works with to get this story this bogus story about seth rich being the leaker to wikileaks to Fox News and this is a local Fox News Well No. She's a national Melih. Zimmerman is a reporter for Fox News website nationally but the story story. This story originally breaks after me. Zimmerman says she has a source an anonymous federal investigator investigator. We all know which agency She's referring to who has seen the so-called forensic report that Cy Hirsch had originally described to Ed Bartelski purporting to show that there were communications between seth rich and wikileaks now remember from our last episode Cy Hirsch ultimately says he doesn't even know true and walked away from this story but that's not what <unk> Hausky wanted to hear and believe Zimmerman goes out and she says fines somebody. We have no idea who this person is who purports to confirm that there was such Investigator is no idea about whether there's any such F._B._i.. Forensic report but is trying to be you know helpful guy to this band of conspiracy mongers is working with and initially tells the Fox local Fox News reporter order that he has confirmed to me Zimmerman what it is that she wants to hear which is that there were communications between rich and wikileaks but he's learned this from me. I mean it's totally circular. It's completely circular. There's nothing to back it up and breaks every journalistic rule aw that we follow before about this story breaks every journalist four come up with before you go forward with a story right. Resume isn't the typical tactic one takes no no and it certainly not and there were so many red flags about what they were about out to report but and you get into the dynamics of cable TV Fox has this local affiliate then WANNA local local affiliate breaking a big story so once wheeler spills the beans about what Molina's Zimmerman has written and by the way at that point the story wasn't even even edited the editors at Fox News hadn't even seen the story at that point but oh my God the local Fox affiliate in Washington is reporting according on this they all get to work that morning and they see me Zimmerman Story and we gotta get this out there and they just posted and advocate Hausky who along all through this says this is not for his own public fame that he doesn't want any media attention is emailing producers and hosts. He's emailing Malik Princeton's favorite show the morning show friends now. This is by the way after he had put his own pressure on wheeler. You'll have to confirm the story telling him. The president wants this story out. He leaves them a voicemail and tells them so give me those quotes she needs because you know at the highest there's levels in the United States government. They want the story out so never talked to trump he never he was manipulating every talks to trump right. You know we don't know with Ed Bukowski your I ever quite the exchange with him about his relationship with Bannon couldn't keep straight. When's the last last time we talked to Steve Bannon who was quietly promoting the story as we point out in this episode so anyway so Fox News website Russia's the militia Zimmerman story onto the Internet they posted and who Hausky is emailing Idea this was going on. They didn't even know the Fox story was going to run and no one reached out to them. If so you know Mary rich says nobody reached out does about this all and they're sitting at home at night and suddenly there's Sean Hannity talking about their son as the leaker to wikileaks leaks and Sean Hannity eventually comes in Fox comes under fire for reporting this story but Sean Sean Hannity is pretty unrepentant. Tell our he waffles after he gets heat for several days advertisers bailing gene. We're bailing on him. The Washington polices denied the story the F._B._I.. Has denied the story and Fox News. Management is where Fox News Management Management is the story day after eight days they retracted the story took it down from their website issued a statement saying it didn't meet our editorial standards and Sean Hannity says it out of respect for the family family bought on not going to back down from doing doing my job which is a winking nod of his followers to his fans and then on his radio show says I've retracted nothing and he continues to talk about it in fact ours right. Yeah Yeah I. I don't know how much you continue to talk about it at that point because I e because he was getting a lot of heat and Fox was getting a a lot of heat but here is what's so pernicious about all. This is once something gets out there like this. It doesn't go away. Hey as Mary rich points out is yeah. They retracted but it's still out there on the Internet. It's still out there. People are still believing that they're still circulating. This and people like Ed Petoskey are not giving up in fact they continue to pump it. They continue to fan it and who else is doing so oh Roger Stone other conspiracy entrepreneurs out there and one of them will get to episode six is inevitably inevitably Jerome Corsi the dehaene of conspiracy theorists still let me ask you in this era of fake news and the president lobbing that accusation at every story headlined that he doesn't like or the disparages him what for our listeners what is the role that media plays throughout all of this because having the fame having the recognition of the Fox News brand their most popular most viewed commentators lawyers journalists whatever you WANNA call them. Pushing all of this out is what really got this story to be as big as it is absolutely you asked all the right questions and you presented facts that didn't seem to matter to some of these people no no because in our fractured polarized arrived political world facts are only useful when they confirm your own prejudices when they confirm. From what you want to know in what you want to hear and if those facts don't do that they're not serving their purpose anymore and people tune tune them out and they block them and it doesn't get through to their brains and nobody has the authority to call that out because in the conspiracy Land Diane that we've become every institution is under question. Every institution is suspect. There's the deep state. There's the people pulling strings behind closed doors. That's the view of the world that has taken up so much <unk> oxygen now and gets so much traction especially in the world of social media. That's what the Russians have taken great advantage of what the First First Amendment and anybody being able to spew whatever misinformation absolute they want to has Fox News taking any responsibility for its role role in this. What is this tragedy tragedy. They family retracted the story. They said at the well a few months later later when the lawsuits began on this that they were conducting an internal investigation into what happened and how the story came about. There's Servino findings that have been publicly released on that internal investigation. I talked to Fox for this <hes> they were. They got back to me. They talk to me. They said look you know we'll give you our statements but we can't say anything because this is a subject of continuing litigation and in their court short arguments they've argued that this was reporting protected by the First Amendment about an issue of public concern well. We can't end this <hes> bonus episode episode without coming back to marry rich you end the episode with her and this wrenching comment that she makes which you alluded to in one of our earlier bonus episodes so tell us <hes> yeah the sort of emotional we draining and heart rendering interview do we did because as we walk through what happened and we get to the Fox story that's when she just almost completely loses it and says this is a pain and we are living with every day and this is like losing our son all over again and we'll hear in in the final bonus episode about the effect this has had on her other son. Aaron rich yes and what he's been dragged through throughout this entire process as well yes or we'll I'll be back soon with the collateral damage episode six what is the true source of the seth rich conspiracy theory and who should be held accountable mm-hmm join us as we get to the bottom of it at news dot Yahoo Dot com slash conspiracy land and subscribe to conspiracy land on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen Kahad chemists.
The trade wars fruit of discontent
"A Story of Turkey and Michigan Cherries. No not that kind of Turkey. I'm David Brancaccio New York. We have new data ahead ahead of the holiday that will give us a more rigorous sense of how free-spending people will be just after the holiday economic counter for the weekend hand let us consult economist. Julia Coronado Coronado at macropolicy perspectives. In New York Good Morning Good Morning. I mean it wasn't my idea but Friday is the day of consumption after Thanksgiving and we will get some some new data about our states of mind consumer confidence on Tuesday and personal income and consumer spending just before Thanksgiving that'll Be Very interesting yes. This'll be data for October. The first month of the fourth quarter right ahead of the holiday shopping season and so far that consumers than the the resilient factor in the wobbly global economy so expectations is that consumers will stay on track pretty solid steady as she goes not gangbusters. Turn but no signs of trouble either. I mean not gangbusters despite this amazingly low unemployment rate and all that job creation month this month. Yeah the hallmark of the consumer in district covering has been budget discipline and steady as she goes consumers have been neither overly really exuberant known for Fearful so that's been a important stabilizing factor and and speaks to a new era of prudence. Julia Julia Coronado at macropolicy perspective. Thank you very much. My pleasure officials in London today decided not to renew Uber's operating licence after regulators. You're set a pattern of failures passengers at risk. BBC Business Reporter feel legged has the story. This is a humiliating decision for Uber Transport for London said it had concluded the company was not fit and proper operator it highlighted flaws Nuba systems that allowed unauthorized people to pose as licensed drivers and carry passengers as well as permitting drivers who'd been suspended or dismissed to set up new uber accounts in order to continue providing services. It said this had enabled thousands thousands of uninsured trips to take place as well as compromising passenger safety. Yuba described the decision as extraordinary and wrong. It now has twenty one in days to appeal and will be able to continue operating throughout the appeals process. Hoover stock is down about two percent now. There is confirmation this morning that the Charles Charles Schwab company will by its rival. Td Ameritrade in an all stock deal worth twenty six billion dollars amid competitive pressures the discount brokerage industry this this summer began. Cutting Commissions on stock transactions two zero and Silicon Valley has started to compete with outfits like Robin Hood Disclosure. Td Ameritrade has been an underwriter underwriter of marketplace now. Some people like counter programming their lives maybe visiting an abnormally quiet museum on Super Bowl Sunday or when the malls are full for Post thanksgiving Friday. Go instead to a car or truck dealership. Marketplace's Jack Stewart has that low interest rates and plenty of inventory on dealer lots mean gene. Better car deals to be had now than in previous years. According to research from Edmonds plus more ads like these no credit that no worry. It's not funny. Better Watch out the dodge because Thanksgiving and therefore black Friday are particularly late in November. This year deal is actually started their sales weeks ago. Go against the backdrop of shiny new metal at the La auto show on right now. Rachel Petoskey from motive says holiday events do attract car shoppers. Seven percent say that black Friday sale is impacting their purchase and three percents say sale just bought from consumer reports says. It's a good time to hit the lots. The malls are going to be packed. You might find that you get better attention going to the car dealership now than if you did on a typical weekend experts. Say Do your research in advance Vance though and this week is usually pretty quiet and a good time to take test drives. I'm Jack Stewart for marketplace Farmers in northern other Michigan Grow Amazing Tart Cherries for everything from pies to embedding and chocolate. Nefer Years Michigan Cherry Farmers Have Been Struggling Against Competition and from cherries imported from Turkey some michiganders' thought. US tariffs would help now. Some of those farms are closing from interlocken public radio Max. Johnston has the story. Jim Barton Hagan has grown Tart cherries on his farm in Suttons Bay Michigan for decades but now a tractor is pulling all the tart cherry trees from his orchard. Pardon Hagen says he sat to see these trees go but has no other choice. We're not making our costs right now. So it's hard hard to spend money to raise them. Michigan farmers like Barden Hagan produce about seventy five percent of the TART cherries grown in the US according to the Cherry Marketing Institute but since two two thousand six the state has lost one hundred sixty tart cherry farms and across the country production is already down eighteen percent from last year. That's from the. USDA CHEAP TART cherries from Turkey. have taken over the. US market according to Industry Data Domestic Cherry sell for about four dollars per pound while Turkish cherries go for eighty nine cents or not afraid of competition. As long as it's fair that's Cherry. Farmer nells Valiquette. He's part of an industry group that investigated Turkish Cherry Imports Ports. It found. Turkey is subsidizing. Its Farms so they can sell cherries below the cost of production earlier this year the US International Trade Commission levied tariffs Assam Turkey some as high as seven hundred percent but then cherry exports skyrocketed from other countries like Brazil it is like whack a mole and it started hurted in Turkey and now it's migrated to Brazil and where will it go next. If a country really wants to export a product it can get around tariffs says Daniel Sumner with the University of California Davis if for example we put a tariff on canned cherries from Turkey. It can just send them to another country and that country but sitting incans then. It's a canned cherry from somewhere else and the US has to place more tariffs you then trace it you then block it. Then it moves to another place you trace it and block. Good for now Michigan farmer. Jim Barr Hagan plans to focus on apples and sweet cherries. He might replant his Tart Cherries and four to five years if the price is right in traverse city Michigan. I'm Max Johnston for marketplace. The things you learn. I'm David Brancaccio with the marketplace morning report from A._P._M.. American public media.
Unraveling r/VXjunkies: A satiric parody like never before
"Hello Planet Earth and. Welcome to the red disrespected Akeso. Today we are going to talk about one of the most peculiar awesome Brennan's the peak might interest are slash. VX Junkies so the name of their a page or rather the pedal of their some Brennan when you open it. It's called science made Delta over the past day. It's honesty captivated me when it was linked in a post in believe he F- about a solid drive made of sardines. That is a whole other story on its own. So we enter into the sub reddit and bone burdened with something that seems to be techno babble but what are they even talking about. Is it a real thing and we hate to show you that. There are multiple explanations over at it so I we have tread on out of the blue asking about it. Which got an answer? That it's a big injury. Stemming from a SCI FI parody script by bud hugger called called turbo an Cabbie later which aims to parody nonsense math and physics that comes up in every sci fi film. It was applauded by Dave Rhonda on Youtube with one point. Five million views. According to the video description haggard used to be in the reiter for Pekka edible in sci fi in the late seventies and he often wouldn't understand the scripts given to him by directors. So he wrote a parody script in recorded a video seemingly talking about something conflicts except that the diagram individual is an old car transmission. Don't highly doubt this explanation. As the reference seems rather obscure like who what are the odds that someone is read it in has also watched that certain vigil from the late seventies even if it was for uploaded onto youtube onto the second explanation in a trend in E. L. I.. Five which means explain like I'm five. Were people ask for simple explanations for complex things. The banana king committed seven years ago. It's a joke. Someone posted a troll. Ultra once on ask granite announcing that they nearly broken the world record for Techno Babble with their techno the Bible in the number of other editors got the joke offering apparently fictional advice tips stories in rants about about their own experiences with techno babble a lot of people slightly slower on the uptake got massively confused in abandoned explanations which they got invest extremely technical in utterly fictional. VPO with several major arguments breaking out concerning the best way to to techno babble. It's just sort of took off from there into its own submitted it another comment by less. CRT In the same tread says looks like fictions lesch setter in similar vein to the SAP foundation people. Creating fictional works around shared seem seem leading to a print the awesome collaborative project and honestly. This is a very plausible explanation that I have not found the escort at dread because million Degussa ESTA comments. Show is like years ago probably got archive somewhere so much best buy is just these comments. Believable that's how many new Brad. Let's start on Reddit anyways because and run if anyone can create their own community and so any there'll be any up shoot communities from random reasons sins and it's always really funny to see how each subordinate gets bored. I've witnessed a few birth of red. But none of the relief flourished swell so do they even cow but anyway this is the more believable. Wants although there's even another explanation again. Expounded on by Lizzie Artie. Were in this case. It's a mechanism of intentionally vogue purpose. The people can pitch them sensible but domestically medically consistent questions in ends four. Though I actually this is an expansion of his comparison with the foundation and now that we got a serious Sirius satellite explanations. Let's go to this joke. One committed by teaming twenty tree in the vehicle junkies so Brennan he says the SEWRI. There have been a lot of trolls recently. Ed recommend you check out the sticky posts to get some basic information about the X.. To answer your question. Yes the axis of real traveling industry in both commercial. Industrial sectors ended his Old damaged credit in her mind acknowledgee. Unfortunately a lot of people have been making birds. Don't make sense in an effort to show off new a user's hope you stick around awhile and learn more about our happy slash career slash bashing smelly fees. He also says that he that the presidential feel free to ask questions. Let the happy to help other users are as well known as the snake. A look at some of the weird posts. It's on the sub certain it was reversed. Okay now let s take a look at some of the weird posts on the sub a notable one when you saw my heart is Gordon. 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Okay so okay what is our main takeaway from all of these investigation that they've been doing for like holy for me. My takeaway was that this is a Weird Station of satire culture plus Parodying of the mainstream thing which is Techno babble in Saifi and in even in other genres I see Tekla bobble Even a different one called Magic Bible though that's different kind kind of thing where they make rules of magic and all that and so. This is a message station of Parody Saffir in a way that in a wait up you've never seen before it's like a skeleton sub read it. It's like these people just go into some Knowing immediately would joke s this and then they expound on it even arguing about it like. I've seen posing that suburb. Where people are arguing about supersonic waves or whatever and and it can get intense even if the joke? It's easily the most intense joke I've ever seen. It's it's beyond beyond a simple joke and it's more into satire that is stemming from certain cultural things that we see like techno babble in TV shows and movies and honestly this is a public thing. I kinda feel anyway. 'cause I studied mathematics and so if so techno babble for me something it makes makes no sense like At a hope I hope everyone watching this has seen endgame. Because I'm about to say spoiler if not you can skip right ahead head to the end but if you did not skip. The one I'm talking about is the Tony Stark talking about agin. Victors and August Strips with respect to time travel as weird as a shade will strip is. It's a simple shave can get by twisting twisting a strip of vapor one hundred eighty degrees in Egan Victor simply away to multiply a matrix vector without stretch without up repatriation. Like the victories stretches. So the the angle between the vector in the X axis stasis ain't a whole by those Junkies right now. But you know what I mean. This is undergraduates. This but you can google for yourself that egging vectors are the team were. The vector is like the same direction but a different magnitude. That's literally all it is. It has nothing to do with time travel so do anyone with remote look knowledge of that which is a bunch of people from Earth Physics Engineering. I can think of others as maybe some doctors and the thing is it's it sells Swedish. Who Excellent simply parodying? This sort of thing that just allowed to fair honestly. It's much better to make words or other Use concepts of connections to it like general relativity that has more to do with time travel than Atkins vectors. So let's that's pretty much it for a mini movie critics. Well I mean so. That's been shared for this day and the I hope I see you tomorrow again. Does we have some more fun to talk about every day in the schedule of daily upholding the only really change. 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The Trump Administration's Response To DC Protests
"From whyy in Philadelphia. Anterior gross with fresh air today, the role Attorney General William Bar has played in the trump administration's response to the peaceful protests, and to the looting and arson. In Washington DC The administration called in law enforcement from the National Guard Customs and Border Protection. Immigration and Customs, enforcement and the Bureau of prisons active duty, military troops were put on standby. On Monday June I just before the President's Bible Photo OP, peaceful protesters were pushed back with smoke, teargas and pepper spray. We'll talk with Matt sabotage. Sqi Who covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post. We'll also talk about the Justice Department's response to previous accusations of systemic racism in local police departments. Last week in Washington DC and response to peaceful protests, and to looting and arson, the trump administration called in the national guard customs and Border Protection Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Bureau of prisons active duty. Military were put on standby. On Monday June I. Smoke Teargas, pepper balls, and according to protesters, rubber bullets were used to clear peaceful protesters from Lafayette Square across from the White House. Just before, President Trump's Bible photo op. Many protesters have called for defunding the police on Sunday of this week. The Minneapolis City Council passed a veto-proof resolution to dismantle the city's police. Department the Council, President Lisa Bender said it's our commitment to end policing as we know it and recreate systems of public safety that actually keep us safe. My Guest Matt's Petoskey covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post in an article he co wrote the White House was described as being so fortified. It resembled a monarchical palace or authoritarian compound. We're going to talk about the role of Attorney General William Bar and how the trump administration has handled the protests, and how the Justice Department has been dealing with previous complaints about police, brutality, police, killings and systemic racism. That's petoskey welcome to fresh air. You for having me. So Minneapolis is planning to disband. The police force and recreate something William. Bar has said I think there's racism in the US but I don't think that the law enforcement system is systematically racist. Is the Department of Justice doing anything to examine the George Floyd case. The doing something to examine the George Floyd case in particular in that they've opened a civil rights investigation into the death, so that would look at whether the particular officers involved who are already facing state charges whether they violated federal civil rights law in George Floyd's death. What they've not done is this broader pattern or practice investigation, and that would look well beyond George, Floyd's death into the broader systems and policies and training in place at the Minneapolis Police Department to determine whether there's any sort of systemic discrimination. There are other systematic problems. How is it being interpreted that the Justice Department is not looking into that? While the Justice Department is under a lot of pressure to look into that. The Democrats on the House judiciary. Committee have called for them to do that. Many civil liberties advocates have called for them to do that. These investigations are sort of a foolproof tool for forcing reform right and like you see in Minneapolis some local leaders want to go even further end to fund or dismantle the Police Department and. Change it structurally there, but these pattern of practice investigations are something the Justice Department has used in previous administrations to force reforms of Police Department so the Justice Department Justice Department is under a lot of pressure to do that here. William Bar tap by trump to direct the national response to the protests. Is that typically the Attorney General's role? In this instance I think his role grew beyond what you normally think of the attorney general doing the attorney. General is the chief law enforcement officer of the country, and his in command of all sorts of components, the FBI the ATF, the DA, but in this instance we saw his authority kind of expanded. He was coordinating. Not just does agencies that are inside the. The Justice Department, but he had some role in commanding, Department of Homeland Security Agencies, in the days of severe unrest in DC, so that would include the park police right that is a little abnormal on another thing that kind of happen here is barred deployed to the streets agencies that you normally don't see doing this type of work that a part of the. The Justice Department normally but normally don't see them on the street, and the best example of that is he brought into DC, bureau of Prisons, riot teams normally what these guys do is when there is unrest inside of prisons. They put a stop to that, but bill bar brought them out to the street. That is unusual. Those guys are are his authority all the. The time right, but you almost never see them on the street. And that's what happened here and by his telling. These guys are specialists in quelling riots, and that's what he felt was going on, but also the DA. the ATF the FBI everybody in his control kind of was descended on DC to put a stop to what he saw as violent unrest. You know another question about the bureau of prisons when. When people are trained to deal with a prison riot. Then is really different than dealing with a protest about a police killing. I'm sure that the training is probably different for that. Were there any objections within the trump administration? Do bringing out? People trained in prison riots to the streets of Washington. I don't know that you saw any internal objections, but you certainly saw some of the issues that come with that. These guys were on the street without any identifying information in some cases, so people would pass them. Ask who they are. They wouldn't respond. There would be no sort of visible marker on them to say they were bureau of Prisons The director of the Bureau of Prisons has sort of apologized for that and noted as as you just did. These guys normally work in institutional settings? They don't have to identify themselves. The inmates know who they are, and why they're not usually working on the street. And he said maybe he could have done a job of marking them. That can be really important right because if something goes wrong and there's video of an incident. You would want to know who is doing. What in that video? Video. Not only would you want them to be marked with an agency, but you might want them to be marked with some kind of identifying number, so you can figure out who is responsible for what also when there are so many law enforcement agencies on the street. You want different police to know who the other police are. Something goes wrong so local law enforcement agencies need to know that they're dealing with legitimate federal law enforcement, and when you have someone just unmarked. That's harder to do. What we're customs and Border Protection an ice immigration and customs enforcement. Doing there and the Transportation Security Administration. All of these people were kind of feeling. Filling what they normally do, but just in the context of protests, so like I'm thinking in particular of Da. They gave da this broader authority to kind of enforce laws and collect intelligence, so they were doing that, but they were also doing security at federal buildings, and that's because the people who normally do that might actually have to be deployed to do crowd control. That's what the riot teams were doing. You spoke with the former secret service agent who objected to how the secret service was used. Back on Monday June I. What was his objection? Yeah well, so on Monday there was you know what is now been a widely condemned move to push back this crowd of largely peaceful demonstrators outside of the White House. These people had been been gathering there for days on Monday. The decision was made that apparently they were going to extend the perimeter, but by the time they. moved to do that. The crowd had already gathered, so the police sort of moved in on the crowd. They forcibly pushed them back with horses using gas using pepper balls. And one former secret service agent told us that itself is just kind of unusual, particularly for the secret service officers kind of established a line. They don't have a moving line. They keep a line there and with protesters, not pushing on that. It was unusual to see law enforcement kind of be the aggressor in this instance. Your paper, The Washington Post reported in your report. Had that it was William Bar, who gave the order to push back the protesters outside the White House and That when bar came to the scene on Monday June first. He said he was surprised to see that. The perimeter hadn't been pushed back around the White House and Lafayette Square and bar. Said get it done. He has contradicted that. What's the bar version of who gave the order and what what Bar said? Well to be honest with you. It's still a little murky and I would sort of dispute that he's contradicted. His telling is just a little more complicated. Although we told this to. So by his telling early on Monday, the decision is made he makes the decision to extend the perimeter northward from the White House by one block and at two PM. He communicates that directive to the various law enforcement agencies. and. Then it's about four hours later that he's spotted on the scene, talking to officials there on the ground and we reported and other folks reported that at that moment he sort of shows up to survey the scene and is surprised to find that this isn't done, and he says something to the effect of get it done. The White House press secretary has given essentially that an identical version of that. On Friday Bartok, the Associated Press and he added one little wrinkle to that, which was sort of yes, all that was true up to the moment he got there, but by the time he got there. The operation was already underway. I think is how the Associated Press framed, and he didn't give the quote unquote tactical order to move the crowd I'm still trying to sort out what. What the Justice Department. What exactly that means because? They claim that they're not disputing what? The White House press secretary said, which is the? He told officers on the ground that the perimeter. It needs to be moved so I. Guess we're still trying to understand. Is He? Saying well look? It wasn't as if I was on a bullhorn saying gas them, you know fire the bullets. High Level Command is he saying that he was just expressing his frustration, but that the operation was already underway, so it's not technically accurate to say. He gave an order, or at least not technically accurate to say given order then instead, he had given that order four hours earlier. What I think is notable about those comment is he seems to be trying to distance himself from what had occurred. It seems like there's some recognition that what had occurred. Even though he has defended, he seems to be trying to do now. Distance himself a little bit from him. One way or another. He was seen on camera talking with law enforcement about twenty four minutes before law enforcement moved in on the protesters No Barr says that the protesters weren't cleared. For the purposes of trump's. Photo outside Saint John's Church. What have you learned about that? He has tried to disconnect the move on protesters from the photo op, and essentially he has said at two PM when I. When I formerly told law enforcement agencies. This needs to happen. I didn't know actually. He said he didn't know that trump plan to speak and it was after trump spoke that he went over to the church. We do know some of my White House. Colleagues have reporting from inside the white. House that this was kind of evolving planner that was only finalized very late in the day. So it is certainly plausible at two PM. He did not know officially that the president was going to go across the street the church after he spoke that said the timing of when protesters were. Were actually moved to win. He went across the church. It's very close. This isn't several hours later. This is within an hour later, we? He has disputed that there is a connection between the move on protesters and the going across the street to the church by his telling this was always the plan and the timing was just coincidental that there wasn't connection there but but the timing is quite interesting. Everyone was able to watch live on television. The crowd be moved the president. Speak, and then the president go right on over to the church across the now empty parking street. The Washington DC police. Had Not requested outside help. My understanding. What is the protocol for when a? Presidential Administration has the authority to call an outside forces to assist local police in the district. When you gotta remember. DC is not a state. It has many more federal police who operate here all the time and there are various memorandum of understanding about what they can and can't do. Usually they work very cooperatively together. This is an unusual incident. In in this incident, bar has defended what police federal police are doing. Even when it is upset by saying look, we have a right and duty to protect federal buildings, so we have to control the perimeter around the White House and the treasury around various federal monuments. That's our jurisdiction. You see that sometimes just every day in DC right like the Capitol police handle things that happen in the capital. Park police handle things that happen on various federal lands or federal roads and DC police control the rest though they typically operate collaboratively. With the recent unrest here, the trump administration contemplated trying to federalize the DC police. They ultimately didn't do that, but there has been as you know a lot of tension. In this relationship that normally works quite cooperative well. What would have meant to federalize the DC police? My guess it would have meant that the federal government would be giving command, said those guys that they no longer would be taking orders from the mayor and the police chief. What happened to him, but that the federal government bar you know in this instance because he had been given command of every federal law, enforcement agency would be. Able to deploy them in various places across the city. Will receive a lot of friction between the mayor of Washington DC and the trump administration. Have you seen anything like that before? Certainly, not to this scale I. Mean You know painting the street? with black lives matter right outside the White House projecting black lives matter you know on a building near the White House and then sort of tweeting about it being trump's night light. I mean this is a very fraught relationship I think. City generally has tried to agitate to expand its its right to home. Rule The you know. The city leaders have consistently in all the years I've lived here wanted to become a state, but this is a moment of tension like like I have not seen before. So on on Sunday the trump administration gave orders to pull out. The State National Guard from DC within forty eight to seventy two hours What did they actually do? Last a week ago. With the National Guard were here helping? Do crowd control. You know you saw them in front of the White House. You saw them out on the street. The the National Guard had been deployed to help you know quell the unrest, and not just the National Guard here in DC national guardsmen from other states had been called in to to quell the unrest. The trump administration had also brought in some active duty military sort of standby capacity thinking they might be needed to be deployed on the streets so that they have been out there operating. Doing crowd control with these protests. When trump said that he was going to withdraw the National Guard. He offered as a reason. That far fewer protesters. Had shown up than anticipated. On Saturday night. I don't know exactly what that means since we have no idea what trump anticipated. So, I haven't been on the ground are are very talented. Local staff has been handling that by. They're telling the crowds Numbered still in the in the many thousands they have been much more peaceful. You haven't seen in recent days. The fire setting that you saw I guess it was. More than a week ago now in Lafayette Park but their size has not diminished at all I think notably. You've even seen people out there when we've seen thunderstorms passed through the area albeit less when that occurs, but it's not as if the protests have kind of died away. I think it's certainly fair to say. Some of the violent unrest has gone down, but but Peru the account of our many reporters who are on the scene of these things. The size has not diminished. What are some of the things that? Trump or William bar have said in defense of the actions against protesters. Things that they've said that are not accurate. Will particularly referring to this Monday pushback. The controversial pushback of protesters outside of Lafayette Square bar has claimed that no tear gas was used. Our reporters and demonstrators were hit with a gas that induced pretty severe, coughing and tearing of the eyes. So that does not seem to be true. Bar has claimed things were thrown in his direction. There is a video that shows him on the scene, and you don't see anything visible of that though I can say that our reporters at times saw water bottles thrown. So that may be rings as half. True Bar has also made this very unusual can claim that pepper spray is not at all a chemical, even though it is marketed that way to kind of defend polices use of pepper Paul's to. To clear the demonstrators, and just all he this seems to be an effort to characterize this crowd on Monday as not peaceful. When in fact video shows they were. You know certainly there was a lot of yelling right, but when the police moved in on them, you saw line of people standing with their hands off. It was the police that move towards them, not the other way around and by bars, telling you know bars, telling just allies what happened? Let me reintroduce you if you're just joining us, my guest is this Petoskey? He covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post We'll be back after a short break. I'm Terry Gross, and this is fresh air support for NPR and the following message come from duck duck ago. Do you want the same Internet but more privacy? Duck duck go can help. They helped millions of people like you get privacy online without any tradeoffs with one download you can search and browse privately. Avoiding trackers duck duck go privacy simplified. Let's get back to my interview with Matt's. Petoskey he covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post and has been writing about the departments role in the trump administration's use of force against protesters in Washington DC last week. Do you think the trump administration has set any precedents. Regarding the use of force. Presidents that might be used in the future. Boy That's a really interesting question. I mean I think anytime you see a response to arrest and particularly one. That has this dramatic. There are lessons that are learned from. Both positive and negative rights, so in some respect we might look back at this in ten years and decide some of the things that were done were a really bad idea and shouldn't be done again. I mean when I look at all the intense blowback. What happened in Lafayette Square? You think boy you know. Future administrations likely will learn from that and decide not to. To do that, but by the same token, they sort of drawn a line to say you know this is okay. They have reinforced the idea that you can contemplate using the American military to enforce domestic laws are precedence that certainly would would play a role in the future the same way when we saw the American military called in related to the Rodney King Riots That's a precedent that the trump administration looked to in this instance so in the future I certainly think you'll see people looking back on what happened here you know with the massive deployment of every federal law enforcement agency for example and say hey. Maybe that's an idea we can contemplate again. You know what I've been wondering. Is the trump administration and I know you can't really answer this. Maybe you've. Heard talk is the trump. Administration worried that the next big demonstrations will be against them. We'll be against the trump administration or president trump in particular. And I'm wondering if they're concerned about that and if they're thinking about, how do they protect? themselves. The White House if that if that happens. Yeah I think I can answer that I mean after you saw what happened in Lafayette Square, the demonstration releasing grow in size, one and two. It also seemed to really center on the White House and as a consequence the white. House really built up this near fortress around the White House, so it does feel to me. Now have not been on the streets are are very talented. Local folks have been on the streets, but it did feel to me optically like the demonstrations at least here, in DC, a part of. Of them became about President Trump, and the response of course, the main motive still police violence. What happened to George Floyd here in DC? It did feel like some of the demonstration became about President trump and while I don't know that this speaks exactly to your question. There was some internal hand-wringing about what happened outside Lafayette Square with that now infamous photo op I think some advisers internally have expressed to our reporters into other White House reporters. They now realize that was a really bad idea. That could hurt them politically. I want to quote something in an article that you co wrote in The Washington Post about how the White House was transformed into a veritable fortress, the physical manifestation of trump's vision of law and order domination over the millions of Americans who've taken to the streets to protest racial injustice the White House is so heavily fortified that it resembles the monarchical palaces or authoritarian compounds of teams in far away lands. Do you know if that's the image that trump wants to give. Certainly he wants to give this law and order image right. If you think back to his inauguration, he gives this very dark speech where he uses the phrase. american-carnage talks about backing law enforcement that very gay. The White House posts online these kind of pillars of his administration, and one is specifically about not coddling, the looter and the rioter, so that image of strength is certainly one that he wants you know does he'd like being compared to a monarch? I don't know that I know the answer to that, but he certainly has leaned into the idea. Here's the law and order president cracking down on the violence. He apparently sees that as a winning political strategy. William Bar said that many protesters have been peaceful and he blamed extremist agitators for exploiting the situation. Any said the agitators have a variety of different political persuasions, but the only group he actually named whereas Antifa, which is an antifascist group is associated with the very far left as opposed to the very far right. But there's been a lot of. Talk that some of the people responsible for x violence were actually from far right groups. Who would like to? See just chaos. And some of them would even like to see a civil war in America. Some of these far right groups are. White supremacist groups so I'm wondering What you've been hearing. About investigations into. Who was responsible? For creating some of the chaos and violence that we have seen. They've charged now. Federally dozens of people with various violent acts connected to the protests. Sometimes, it's because the people possess or try to distribute Molotov cocktails other times. It's because they cross state lines to riot and I have to say of the cases that I've looked at. The vast majority seemed to be these sort of one off I don't even know what you would call them. They're not any part of any organized group. They just seem to be personally intent on inciting mayhem for mayhem. Sake that seems to be the majority of them. They have charged at least three people who work connected to this far right group called a boo. Boo Movement, the Attorney General though. Even though he is conceited, look, there are a lot of different ideologies driving the violent element at these protests. The only thing he names is in TEPA. and. That's the thing that the president has seized on right but ANTIGA. It's not even quite right to say it is a group. If you're thinking of a group in terms of one with a national sort of structure, it's more an ideology, just a far left ideology. There are some in Thika groups in various cities though there are quite small. The Justice Department has said that some of the people that they're questioning in connection with violence identify as Antiga, but it's hard to even know what that means I see people post on Facebook, friends of mine or acquaintances of mine. I should say you know post like a picture of World War Two and say look the original mtpa because the phrase sort of stands for anti fascist. So you know what critics say, the administration is doing. Doing here is trying to blame this nebulous left leaning forced to suggest that that's really behind these protests at violence at these protests, and that's just not true. I mean one. These protests are driven by very real concern about police violence against black people, and to while it is true that there is some level of outside agitators and violence that can at times infiltrate these things it's not like this is just coming from the left. I guess is mad sabotage. He covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post. We'll talk more after we take a short break. This is fresh air. This week on, it's been minute. Talk out the news with my aunt betty. I'm more concerned about the black men that I love that anything were because. I JUST WANNA. Get that call also parenting in the age of black lives, matter and the history of police reform. Listen and subscribe. It's been a minute from. NPR. Let's get back to my interview. With Matt said Petoskey. He covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post. We're talking about Attorney General William Baras role in the trump administration's response to the protests. The trump administration considered using the insurrection act. What is it and how has it been used in the past? The Insurrection Act. Is this law that essentially gives the president the authority to deploy active duty military to enforce domestic laws. I think most people have this concept in their head that the American military can't be used to enforce domestic laws, and that's generally true. There's another law called the posse. COMITATUS act that prevents them from doing that, but the insurrection spells out some exceptions, and it has been used in the past. Past at moments of unrest like this, so it's been it was used during the civil rights movement. Most recently, it was used when William Bar was last attorney general in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two to suppress some unrest in Los Angeles, related to the beating of Rodney, King so it's this law that would let the president deploy the American military to the streets if he wanted to do that. but he didn't use the act. Do you know why he considered it and didn't use it? Ultimately he didn't use it. by bill bars, telling by the secretary of defense's telling. They consider this a sort of last resort extreme measure, I think the Secretary of Defense has come out and publicly said he opposed invoking this act, and the reason is you know we were in a moment? Where of great tension between police, the military and the American citizenry when? Threatened to deploy the military to the streets of the country. There was intense blowback. People saying that the military was actually being weaponized against its own citizens. You only take this step in extreme. Cases ultimately president trump chose not to hear. The troops were sort of ready to go. They were here on on standby, but In the end, some of the violence decreased. And the president chose not to do it. Bar said and award ceremony for policing. In December! That communities have to start showing more than they do. The respect and support that law enforcement deserves, and if communities don't give that support and respect, they may find themselves without the police protection they need. How was that interpreted? This was sort of a remarkable statement that he made, and it seemed to be suggesting like look you better back police war. The police won't be there to protect you, and it's just a remarkable assertion. Right like the threat that police protection will be pulled if they're not adequately respected so this attorney general and his predecessor. Jeff sessions have taken this tack of the Justice. Department needs to quote him back the blue. We shouldn't be involved in forcing them to reform or investigating. They're second guessing them. We need to support them because we feel. They aren't being supported by residents, and this was sort of a dramatic example of that of bar. Saying I don't think police are being appropriately respected, and if this continues, look maybe won't be there for you. What has. The Justice Department done or decided not to do. To investigate police departments where they have been accused of systematic racism. While the Justice Department in the trump administration has abandoned a number of sort of systemic reform efforts that we saw in the Obama Administration. The most notable of those is these pattern or practice investigation, so what? Is the Justice Department? Civil Rights Division would go in and broadly examined a police department, not just an individual incident, but all of the policies and practices at a police department that might be discriminatory, and then what what they would do is present of typically scathing report of their findings to that department, and they would get into a court. Enforceable what's called a consent decree where the department would agree to reforms and agree in a court would make sure that they carried them out. The trump administration has just not done that I think they've done one pattern or practice investigation all of the administration. The Obama Administration did twenty five just of local law enforcement agencies. They've also had this other thing called the cops office, which had sort of a more voluntary process called collaborative. Collaborative reform where they wouldn't have a court, get involved, but the Justice Department would work with police departments to create some plan to reform the trump administration says we're not GONNA do that. The COPS office can still give grants, and that sort of thing, but it's not going to help you know with these kind of systemic reforms that civil liberties advocates and others have called for the trump administration has just taken a completely different tack. Well you know I in two thousand fourteen after Michael. Brown was killed. In the hands of Police Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the Justice Department investigate. Not just Michael Brown's killing in Ferguson but the entire Ferguson. Police Department. What was the outcome? Did it amount to substantive change? Well, it did produce a very long scathing report and the city. Of Tense Negotiation ultimately signed a court enforceable agreement to force reforms, and you saw that not just in Ferguson but in lots of cities across the country in Baltimore for example I think down in New Orleans. The record of these things I have to say though is somewhat mixed, so the Washington Post back in two thousand fifteen studied a lot of these agreements, and it is true that they generally forced policy changes. They forced equipment upgrades that kind of thing, but if you measured them just on use of force, like did polices use of force? Get reduced the. The record, there was a lot more mixed, so civil liberties advocates I think would concede these things aren't a silver bullet. They don't magically solve all the problems overnight I. Don't think they've solved all the Ferguson. Problems or all of Baltimore's problems but they're tool that helps for some reform, and there are tool that the administration now just isn't use it. So Barr did Organiz on the president's orders, a new national commission to study issues in law enforcement such as training and data collection, but that's been controversial. How come? Yeah, so this is the thing that he has pointed to as his police reform effort, but but civil liberties advocates right when that thing was convened pointed out. This is a law enforcement people. You know a lot of times when you think of a commission, you think of it having kind of variety of people from diverse backgrounds with various perspectives, you might see some police chief. Some defense attorneys, some civil liberties advocates. Maybe some community activists types. This was all police officials They did have a meeting about civil liberties concerns although I think it was Gosh I. I don't WanNa. I don't WanNA speak, but it was not among the first four meetings that they had civil liberties. Advocates have actually sued over this group saying that it's not representative as it as it needs to be so you know the Justice Department would say well look. We are studying issues in policing in this commission will certainly look at some of the concerns that people have now, but civil as advocates feel like no, this is just sort of lip service, and it's only police officials. who were discussing this? You can't just have their perspective. You need some of ours. Have investigations been proposed into the trump administration's handling of protesters last week. Oh, absolutely I think lawmakers are already investigating so to speak requesting information on what happened outside of Lafayette Square so so definitely, there is an intense. Desire among lawmakers to know what happened to you know, conduct their oversight role. If. You're just joining us. My guest is Matt, sabotage. He covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post. We'll talk more after a break. 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George fluids killing. what else has attorney general William Bar been up to? a lot of people are not paying attention to the rest of the news right now because the pandemic. And, the protests are so so consuming I mean that's where so many of us have our attention focused. Yeah well and I. Think the Attorney General Bar has his attention largely focused on those issues to you know. His staff has told us in recent days that he's taken an extremely hands on role in managing the police response to these protests, but he's also still involved in some efforts involving cases of interest to president. Trump's oh. You know as all has been going on. This is really before a lot of the scene, but during the pandemic, he was personally involved in the Justice Department's move to abandon the prosecution of former National Security, advisor Mike Flynn who, in two thousand. Thousand Seventeen pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his interactions with the Russian diplomats, but then changed defense teams went on the attack against his case, and won a sympathetic ear inn attorney general bar. I would say that did get a lot of attention even amid all the news and it's been quite controversial. You know I think critics see this as the attorney general just helping the friend of the president. It's pretty unusual to have someone plead guilty. Admit Multiple Times in court. They did wrong and then the Justice Department to say actually. We can't pursue that case anymore. What are some of the other issues in which bar has been accused of siding with the president as opposed to? CY siding with Standard legal procedures and legal judgments. Well the Flynn case that I just mentioned is a big one. If you go back to the sentencing Roger, stone this is another longtime associate of president trump who was convicted at a trial of lying to Congress in connection with its investigation of Russian interference in the election bill bar personally intervened in that case to reduce the sentencing recommendation that career prosecutors wanted to give. That was a pretty unusual move career prosecutors wanted to recommend a sentence within these things called the federal. Federal sentencing guidelines. That's almost always what the Justice Department does. Bill Bar came over top and said no this instance. We don't WanNa do that after they had already made a recommendation, so that would be one example House Democrats would say he has taken this posture towards them of complete stonewalling, which is unusual for the justice, department typically when House Democrats want records or information, they kind of work through this. Negotiation with the Justice Department to get materials they want House Democrats say Bill Bar has just not wanted to engage in that process. He just won't turn over materials, and they see that as protecting president trump at the expense of warm, so there are a lot of examples that bars critics point to helping the president's friend protecting the president from transparency now expanding. Showing the president's Great Authority to use the National Guard military and law enforcement to respond to unrest in the district. You've been covering how the trump administration has used law enforcement to deal with the protesters in in Washington. Before covering the Justice Department, you covered. Prince George's county for The Washington. Post and you covered policing. Look local policing. What are some of the things you learn covering local policing? That are helping you in covering the protests now and the trump administration's response to the protests. Question I've been actually thinking a lot about my time in Prince. George's county and even covering police, shootings and I think when I covered that videos sort of weren't quite as prolific as they are now and I think back to some of the police shootings I cover where witnesses or the family members of someone shot would say one thing and police would say another thing, and there just wasn't quite quite the level of unrest, and and I sort of reflected in wondered. What happened if what would have happened if there were? were videos of all these incidents that I reported on that could've you know put to rest any dispute and was the account I was often given from police. Was that accurate? Because I think you've seen here? as unrest has swept the country, you've seen example after example of police, saying one thing and a video showing another thing I've also thought a lot about that. In the context of some of these deformed or abolish the police efforts I think some of those might be a little bit of a misnomer that. That that that language though it seems to suggest that means we won't have police. The what the people using that language has no. No, no, it would just change. Police functions. Police wouldn't be involved in things other than basic law enforcement, they shouldn't be involved in response to mental health crises, and that sort of thing, and I have to say I remember covering police and police officers complaining to me, look, we have to respond to everything, and we always get people at their worst moment, so we get in the middle. Middle of domestic disputes we get in the middle of mentally ill. People who don't have a home and are on the are on the street, and we have to handle that you know so I think it's interesting to see this now. Become a national conversation about you know our police being asked to do too much. Are we giving police too much responsibility and authority and I think back to some of the conversations. I had with police then and think, would you? Would you really oppose if we gave some of? The away, but also know. gave. You less responsibility. I don't know the answer to that. That's Metavsky. Thank you so much for talking to us. Thank you for having me. Matt's Sabotage Ski covers the Justice Department for the Washington Post Tomorrow. On fresh air, we'll talk about how disproportionate use of force can turn a peaceful protests violent, and how before George Floyd's death Minneapolis failed to remove bad officers. My guest will be Jemayel's Lardy who reports on the justice system for the Marshall Project and was part of a team at the Guardian. That tracked police violence in America I hope you'll join us. Fresh Air's. Producer is Danny Miller. 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