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5: I agree with Finchy, I am fuming!| Peter Finch | The Sweet Spot | Honda Classic & Oman Open Tips

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5: I agree with Finchy, I am fuming!| Peter Finch | The Sweet Spot | Honda Classic & Oman Open Tips

"Hello and welcome back to the sweet spot with Mesa. Call Michael Brown the racing post weekly tipping show we will be reviewing last week's events the WGC in Mexico is what is the point. Oh Rico open alongside previewing this week's events which we have to fantastic eventually the amount open on the European tour and one of the most difficult courses this week or the PGA tour the Honda Classic. Of course we our views and tips from resident tip stuff Steve Palmer and we have a special guest. My good friend Mr Peter Finch. Peter is a content creator. Golfing professional has got a very interesting story for US later. Maybe about he played golf. Course are move on the open. Peter Welcome thank you very much. Everybody start off talking about this as an I told you I was wearing. So you went and coffee me is just gets. We've been having this required for years. Ladies and gentlemen actually got a little bit depressing after a while. I'm just going to blame each other. We'll just make sure Steve wearing the same thing he did. Get the memo. We all three of us in the same top but anyway so less acapella group were. Let's never sweeties state by the way but pizza before we get into checking out what happened in last week's events and how will tips on. Let's tell the audience. You might not know who you are a little bit about yourself and what it is you do so in the show. I make online content around Gulf. Try Make you as possible from coaching videos to travel videos. And everything in between is the best way describing a one stop shop fuel golfing into time. Would you need guys? Well we all GONNA be finding out pigs pay. I do believe you did play that. 'cause I did and he got out of very good back nine. Tore apart then shooting forty four on the this year very well. I'll say it for seven on the back nine on the golf course. This week's on open AL merged I'll move. How move emerge is the is the name of the course. So we sing. If he'd maybe got few tips of his own. Who might be able to go one better than you and which would be some guy. Wouldn't it would be my hearty congratulations. That's the goal. This throw down the European tour. Come at eight seven on the back. Nine let's see what you've got that currency so what's going to be okay. La Now chapter Steve and see how tips gone last week. Okay so last week's events we had the wgn at CHAPULTEPEC and we had the Puerto Rico. Herbalists thought with the WBZ pay. Did you see much of the event over forks am I scotch? Quite a bit of I think this is one of those courses which are all the events in the air is one. I have highlighted my head to actually watch just because of the different conditions over there or if you get the big boys and rory. Dj The final. I three six about. Aj we're not talking about though and not let me down big time. I said last week. Dj's what am I hot tips. I said he could take a stairwell. Locke after stopping. He must have found every escalator in Mexico because he missed the car and we did it miss the Cup because there was no car. The absolute shocker also missed a COP. He was was the bomb. He had one good low round on Saturday but he had an absolute shocker thankfully so far the tapes better had top sixties from Latin Massey. Embracing Bryson Chevro- just came up short last week. Probably not a very popular one to oversee patron. We got the win. No not really. I don't mind Chamo- to be fair because he's just a bit bit different and in a cacophony of vanilla tool proser out. There is such a nice to have someone a little bit different Patrick read maybe molested. Actually hey what a lovely performance. It did play very very well. You know lot of the guys were saying. It's a shame. He's got this sort of a cloud of controversy following him because he's such a fantastic gopher so yes foresee how his reputation could be helped by this. Latest victory is hard to see through the cloud controversy that everyone knows particularly thick cloud is a stall. It is always a gathering storm. Someone who's tapes did a little bit more consistently. Shall WE SAY Steve. How did you guys get on to pack? We as disappoint Sunday from earlier two selections last week in Mexico champion. But they were. They were first and fourth going into the phone around and both talk. Class Operators Justin Thomas of course traditionally a very good closure of tournaments and rory mcilroy obviously capable of still in from from full place so I had extremely high hopes on Sunday and they finished fifth and sixth so I was pretty good and I both crumbled. Really have in the middle of their rounds and yeah. When mcilroy A three-putt the twelfth green it was race was essentially running in Mexico. Most ashamed once again another very stella performance from from Roy Mackerel. But you've got to say if he's outside the top ten pre hardly lit up and he once again on that leaderboard most of the days last week so we say every week building to Augusta is going to find a way to To close another one. We love to get another win before that. Really get some confidence but it wasn't to last week. Patriotism winner how to go down in Puerto Rico Puerto Rico. We had Patrick Rogers. He was in fifth place into the phone around. Winning was never going to be easy. But we have to the macaroni and Rogers each way. Double saw's really hoping to get place double macro base but Rogers decided to shoot a foreign around seventy five a report from him yeah. I was disgusted with Patriot. Rogers on Sunday and obviously kicking myself back. Victor holds a massive victory over them up in love with him for whenever since he finished twelfth in. Us OPENING FINISHED TWELFTH IN US. Open is an amazing bostock informants pebble beach but you still on his poetry co debut last week. The odds Rubik cramps but they obviously weren't Crampton. Hate myself with a passion. Well don't be too over me but I think the hope and speaking about him. He seems to be a very likable guy. He's somebody I would recommend not all of the gophers that interesting on social media. There's a few that are Eddie. Pep Rose One way way over and seems to be just very happy chap just very down to Earth by just a normal kid. Who's just living life? That's the real appeal. It's called lovely squishy faced smaller than the and of course he will be eligible for Ryder Cup for us going forward as a fantastic asset for team Europe to have Roy justice temperament. And you're right you just looks like he's always happy and smaller than you had a triple bogey at the eleventh hole on Sunday route chip in nightmare but saw the eleventh green and yeah that would derail most plaza. Yeah he's a young lab. Equal is composed by any chipped in for Eagle at the fifteenth hole. And then he hold a long Birdie the eighteenth hole to win by a short so. I'm a huge Victorian fine. I think it could go right to the top winning Palm Sunday from twenty five features. Rats order in boulders brass. I'm excited about Victorian. Yeah you're right. He's going to be a Broader Cup Star for years to come and he's going to be in the field this week. The holiday classic notoriously one of the hardest stops PG national on the hardest rated golf courses on the tour. Stay tells me more about that. 'cause yeah the championship. Pj National Palm Beach Gardens. Florida law the top players live in this area actually brooks cook from Ricky Fowler. Both planets they live. They live nearby. Seven thousand one hundred and twenty five pas seventy and a really tough gig. It's been the venue since two thousand and seven and always provides a stiff shot. A six on the power or worse is topped the leaderboard three times. In this event anyone who gets to double digits on the par as a great chance of winning and it can be cool boy Florida standards. This week was not gonna go so far. Plenty of breeze. So yeah I'm looking for grinder's is so weak to churn out Greens and regulation. It's not all of the GOLF COURSES. We've got the nicely were sounding name of a stretch of host the collapse towards the final cruise. I should say the bear trend. I mean I'll do not fancy playing any of those house. I'd love to go and play with the sort of pressure of money on that on these there a stretch of holes which you like to watch all the plays and be not what Jeanette expecting. Did you watch any expecting catastrophe? And that's what makes it good to watch is if you live on the corner famous you think Bad Pit obviously the Phoenix you do. Those are the stretches. Those hold you Wanna. Watch because exciting things happen. It's the same with the backdrop. Be WATCHING IT FOR CHAOS. Could be absolute chaos. So Steve who is going to be best skilled equipped deal with that chaos who you tipping this week for the Honda. Classic number. One selection on the class gets Tommy. Fleetwood I think this is the week that Tommy Fleetwood wins his first PGA Tour Tonsil PJ national rewards teacher green consistency as you say lower trouble. Loja Water tour that keeping your school card clean not making many long game errors in. Fleetwood is is one of the most solid operates on the planet. Now he's probably tad rusty last week in Mexico. That was his first. Pga Tour Spin of this of the year but he shot four-under-par rounds finished eighteenth. Solid effort is played the Honda once before and he finished fourth in two thousand eighteen. He was beaten only two shots and conditions. Were similar that year to face. This week loves tough. Assignments to flee radio. Us Open runner-up in two thousand. Eighteen in two starts in Florida. Last year yielded third place at Bay Hill and fifth basis. SAWGRASS so think we found the perfect event for Fleetwood to get off the markle. New Tool interesting gives one of your top choices for this week. All of whom is going to be told me backing up call. I can't add anything else that they've just all about because he's like perfectly well the play that I was Louis use as in who's going to win the PJ tool but for an each way. Kind of bad I mean. He's so consistent. He's very straight and he's the type temperament the east capable of actually dealing with the ups and downs going to. Komo not call this. There's no way we're going to be going through rounds that without messing up at least once just because it's so tough so he's the type of player who I am on him in that type of environment would play really really well not saying he's GonNa win the definitely definitely be over things that are reasonable. Finish there before. He's been twenty in the past. There used as nervously big time player for a big time. Of course he's he goes. I've got a couple of four give you now. I'm going to start with billy horseshoe okay. Nice evalu- There from that. These are local boys play in his home state. He's got three sixteenths here in the last four years and two of those inside the top ten. He's straight off the back of back to back. Top Ten at the Waste Management and the wgn last week played very well. It's quite interesting. Putting setup he walks into his party one foot behind the other and so she was towards jaws they makes makes fantastic parts of the moment horseshoe also third last week in a stroke gain tee to green striking the ball. Phenomenally well right now which will be very important of course like PJ national and he's sixteenths on tour. This season instructs gained putting my second one. Before we come back to you Steve is GONNA be rickie. Fowler Rickie Fowler. Is the all time tournament earnings leader at this event? You want in two thousand. Seventeen runner-up last year. He's also to talk ten. So far out four starts this year for me Ricky Fowler. God that should win more and I think possibly is about to start winning. Moist start using that interesting ball. And it's the pigs which is very synonymous with these Color Orange. I am a massive rickie. Fowler foundry yeah I think last even the just made it looks like he's about to start winning loads he's been looking like he's about to solving loads for about ten years now so I I like wild. I think he's good. I think he's a great player. Has He got that extra bit and become a prolific? I'm just not sure I think he would have shown it by now. You can never write him off because obviously he's a great ball striker and absolutely incredible pulsa and you can never write off anyone people's like Econ the I'm not sure they've got for the Honda against the field. The plan I can see beaten fleet with this week is the US Open champion. Gary Woodland. I think understanding how to spell of adjustment after becoming a major champion. He's spoken about this. He said he found the extra attention. The added commitments real challenge less time to practice etc and he also said the short game improvements that he made a win that. Us Open He obsessed with short game. He spent time trying to take it to an even greater level than in neglected the part of the game which should made him a PJ superstar which was really consistent pool. Shark him but over the last four months. Oh so he's got the Bolshoi back swings in good order and last week he finished twelfth in the Mexico Championship. And that is really encouraging. Because is record there was poise. Not that trump. Well it did. Last week goes to a more suitable venue. This week is on. The record is really solid. He's never missed a cutler finished sixth and second PJ national. He's lived in Florida for four years now. Extremely comfortable at the venue. So yes he fleetwood him woodland Allan Allan Sunday for. The child is very interesting looking at. They're moving towards the Florida swing because there is such a big difference in the green part on the west coast. We're going from Poa Anna where there's not many many nice things to say about that type of green over to Bermuda. Now which is a lot more affable you could see potentially stats like strokes game putting not mean as much right now a look more about people that hitting Greens proximity to the flag because it's completely different surface putting on now were outside of force. He's not too long but we're looking at the weather forecast specifically the wind could blow here when a very tough golf course someone who played very well here last year the fun around sixty three last year to give himself a tied for fourth place. He's got top ten season wind place. They've Mr Ryan Palmer is available at sixty six to one of the. There's a little bit of value there for Ron. Yay Planning Grozny was the problem. Ron Palmer is as bit flaking contention. his most recent wind. Caymanian Joan beside him in the in the Zurich Classic Pairs Event but Palmer on his own. I never really trust at the business near. He's obviously family members. Molly uncle Uncle Ron but I worry about Palmer the business end but you got faces at it. But it'd be money that you could. You could sneak into absolutely roy okay. I think it's now tom we head over to Middle East again and start looking at the field for this week's on open okay so to our mood for the Oman. Open on the European tour. Pretty strong field. We thinking anyone for us over here. Kinda thinking giving green. This will be playing really well. And he's the type of course which is Simpson. Twenty wars last year is going to suit him so it's not massively long off the back with the conditions. Being warm does get a little bit windy with distance these power because the roof was growing up a little bit last year. So if you were a little bit off the t you have to have the strength to actually with it out of there. I think he's got that essential as well. Greens and the surrounds are perfect. So there's absolutely no excuse to to not put an score. Well that you've just got to gotta with the grains I mean. We talked about the missing around but you did play their last year and you said. Nice things about the Gulf War. Greens were one of the best. You've played very clubhouse you said as well the whole on the face of it shouldn't work because the call is sandwiched on like a really thin stretch of land between the ocean and the Apple. And kinda look. I'm not sure about this but when you actually get that like the design and the way it was prepared last year with the runoff areas and the Greens. It just made a really enjoyable. And they something when she spoke to the toll pros when he speaks to go is a bit of a false impression. That all the colts play or amazing courses. That actually sometimes not. They don't enjoy them all. There's single pros that spoke to who does not love this golf course. That's got to say something. I did. Sandy pepperoni say something to that note on twitter. He made a talked about him on social media. Nobody wants from here. And he did say he's very different. Fable and twitter's as positive had very positive things to say about golf over there. Interestingly stave the last two years there we. This is the third time the event's been been held at this golf course very different scores over the last two winning scores. I think Luton the inaugural year there was sixteen or Seventeen sloshes winner thing only six or seven under. I think it was so contrasting. You'd maybe think look at it. Cost Him could beat slightly dangerous here or depending on what the forecast is. We think he's probably somewhere in the middle for this week. What you thought so this week. Yeah yeah that was down to weather conditions. It was common in the first inaugural edition and then last year Much windier much tougher. Abe colonies coming down the stretch. Lost you I mean. I was on Clement sorte Nda Three by the last however is going backwards not yet at a great Johnson. Blew it so It all down to the weather in this week. It's not expected to blow Solvings can be more like twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen and you've only got five years of challenged fall into factor in. They play challenge door vent their five years in a row before that Europeans will move that. Sorry yeah plenty to to get stuck into But unfortunately I cannot resist the favourite here. Thomas Peters I- regular racing post readers will have a love hate relationship with Thomas Pizzas are? Then he's got so much ability I don't think he's done himself justice in his career. So far is really frustrating. Plot follow often follows an amazing round with an absolute shocker. Did Down at Dubai Desert Classic recently. Sixty seven seventy seven when we were on him. I'm keeping the faith in Thomas speeches. I'm keeping the faith is a four-time European tour winner at the age of twenty eight. Not that bad. He top scored in the The top scored in a Roy. Copies finished fourth in a masters class. Act Best Ball striker in this field. In my opinion if he holds a few putts I think is going to be very hard to be was third in the Saudi international storm out. He was sick in his only previous. Oh man opens and he's desperately desperately motivator because a sixty eight in the world rankings at. The moment is no in the mosque as he knows he gets in the Moss as you can win the Mossy good enough to win. The masters is GonNa and that top fifty before week for the masters if they've ever Stop Tipping. Asia's going to sales because after watching you close up. I just can't see how anyone you tape is not GonNa win. I'm like Oh my God. He's GonNa win the House on him. You should have been there at twenty eight team. That was pretty much the case win last year. But we're on good form this year so far. We've got at least a place every single week so we need to make sure that form continues. Think you've got a few crossover and I'm on having you. Who's your number two on this? We're here the next best is Adriana News He's a Spaniard. But he moved to do by the star this year so this is a very short journey from Dubai. Toi Mon from fresher than most of the field because big journey to here for most of the field but not for not for NPR news in Dubai clearly has the game to win on the European. Soy is potentially another Joan Ram in the very early stages in his career free similar swing to John. Rams out under strong temperament he was third in the Dubai desert classic a month ago and he loves desert Gulf. He won the two thousand eighteen challenge to brand foreign lynn in the UAE. See I expect on news to improve? He's forty fifth last year as a European tour rookie in the Oman Open. I think he improves and content system. Well I've got two for you so I'll give you some of my two now before we go back to pay and then your final to Steve are actually start with someone. You've mentioned already clements or day. Frenchman he absolutely you said he had a three part on the seventy second hole last year dropping. Just one back of possible of a possible playoff. He's lost his European tour card at the moment. Ease fighting to get that back but it did have a win here as you said. The Chinese tour hosted an event here as well when he's one once in the past in two thousand seventeen. He knows that winning feeling and of course did get a second place tie for second here last year so for me. Someone like that as much as he's not afford European exempt player he sixty seven to one. Some of those one of these calls before is in half decent form. I saw feel that he's worth a pump. Especially you can find somewhere that will pay out on a reasonable each way a number of places. He's got a copy overlooked my second one. Which is all I've got for. The amount open is my friend. I can say my friend. Officially mini played within Pete. We played with him in the Master's Program Close House. Mr Martin Karma. He was a fantastically Nice Guard. That day let's start the reason I'm taping him but he was very nice. Gave Me Short Clinic? After the after the round just short in his name. Inada that day there was chunks thin. There's more sympathy than kindness. I think you just saw it was needed. We'll pitch them. We'll give you fifty quits. Well stay out of the seven minutes will you please. What Martin Charges? But I'm you might be able to chip in case. So yeah. Martinis obviously someone. Who's prolific in the Middle East over the years? Not Been Prolific. As of light is trending in the right solve direction and he's not been worse than a tie for twenty first in all of his last four starts. He's thirty th overall in the race and I think the rated a by European tour rankings. Give me little bit too saving. Because you do have those coach shanks events those co sanctioned events. I should say where a lot of the more predominantly. Pj Topaz led to the top of that list. If they've won a big event like Adam Scott did for example I sort of feel that marketing. Karma is at the top probably not fantastic value from honest budget. Really think he's GonNa win again soon. I Yeah I'm GonNa go for mentally very good series. They've lie in it obviously very good form as well and he's just such a young guy the consistency they show in the ability to get onto the line and over the line now as well. You know he's gotTa be. He's gotta be open that you just what you perform. And he's I think from his progress. So far is almost a little bit under the radar. You know he's not the first name on everyone's lips but probably should be getting. He's someone obviously Steve. You're you're huge fan of interested to see when I saw his price east towards the top of the leaderboard or towards the top of the favorites list and probably for good reason. A seems to have all we haven't seen in play in a really really strong filled you in a in a really big event so but you know what you've seen so far what's not to like thirty three to one move. Laughing is a good price. He's my first election for this. Is His first outing. Since he won the VIC Open in superb style to weekend sixty eight in really tough conditions. Y'all think he's got the temperament to match the ability Bundles of power. He's got the range of shots showed off in the wind last. I'm out. We didn't know that by him but he's easy next wind player. It seems and Yeah he finished fourth in the Saudi international step. So yeah that was. That was a top mafia last year finished fourth in that so he's already shown a liking for for desert golf. Missed the cutoff short in this last year and the Oman Open. I'm not worried about that. Is E twelve months of development is a European tour as a huge way of his shoulders? Because he can play with even more freedom than than before. So yeah me has to be in the staking plan this week. He's an absolute superstar. Making some very excited didn't realize you had that fourth place at the Saudi last year. So that definitely helps his case. I would say I've seen how passionate you are about him. And I've seen how how impressive. He has recently this year so very interesting how he gets on. You got one more for US Dave ago war much bigger price. The the first Polish bear to gain Europeans will membership Adrian. Moronic one on the challenge tour last year big hits full of promise and last time out in Saudi internationally regarded four-under-par around so that suggests he settled on the European so now and cruces some huge experience. He finished eleventh in the two thousand seventeen challenge to a grand final that we can hit the ground running this week. He lost a challenge tour event in a playoff in the UA that year as well so he seems to enjoy desert Gulf I Adrian hundred and fifty to one very talented outsider. Could give you a run for your money interesting. Okay let's do a little recap now. Let's go back to the Honda. Let's start with. Up Your picks for the Honda Classic. Louis stays and Steve Tommy fleetwood and Gary Woodland I have more horse. For the course Billy Horseshoe Rickie Fowler and Mr Wind Player Himself Ryan. Pomme your man after your own. Namesake their Steve and come back onto you again for the amount open open. Thomas Peters Adriaan News Min Woo Lee and Adrian Moronic Govern Green and mentally and I have clements who died and Martin Karma. We've heard everybody's round up all of their tips. Now I'm GONNA give it a chance to put their ninth. Just one of them. Of course both tournaments. Now we start with you pay. Who's your one pick across the two events this week? I WANNA go mainly. Just because Steve's boxy lyrical about him kind of a little more exciting go for life. Hi Steve. How about you? I'M GONNA go for the Thomas Pizzas and Tommy fleetwood each way doubling the Tom Toms are going to dominate. This the the Terminator's terminators hostile Avista Bury my goodness. Someone is the clip. That our just play that back import as social media. That was sensational around more. More number one pick is going to be that Guy Horseshoe coming into form and he's got a good record here as well. So you have been horseshoe is my man. Okay now. It's time to get into some of your questions that have been coming in across social media people to start with you here question for you. You get to play as we've already talked about a little bit today. The Gulf coast onto your all over the world traveling for your for your content. Adam canche asked if you could pick one core haven't played before to play in twenty twenty. What would that be? And why Roseanne Georgia's definitely wanted percent so of being down there once before play princess which is next door the as an open venue as a very famous course played it. I mean Paul VI's just so so far away From the North West. He drives a little. And then you there and then you're gonNA drive another twenty two hours to actually get out. It should be worth the trip and its. I think when people speak about open courses. It's one that's sneakily high of that as well and for the pictures I've seen from the course design and from the people who've played and when they're in the past just just looks amazing. I have played that one. But there's an asterisk next to our played in the most horrific weather you can ever think of. I think short. Like hundred fifty thousand. It was absolutely sheltered for twenty minutes. One point under an umbrella just lying there just wanting to be a home in my bed it was one of the worst Gulf conditions ever played in. So I'm desperate to go back and play. They're under maybe more fair conditions. You sell them. It's a well we want to go down there. Hopefully hopefully chick out wouldn't it? So let's move on now talking about golf courses. Let's talk about go swings. Now GonNa come to stave here as well stave. Who is your favorite comes in from Rory. Geo Three who is your. Who's got the favorite last? That'd be better show my help. Who's WHO's your favorite golf swing on tour? He's got the best. We got there on either tour pressure. Classes Adam scorch Lou Used House and they got the textbook swings. This rhythm and free flowing ones in mid Mulan Rory mcilroy at Sam Favorites Not Textbook. But just free flowing. That's what that's how Gulf to be played. How about yourself? We also go question. I WanNa ask you question from Phil Martin Asked about your takeaway which nice that you get questioned about your takeaway. That comes out into the go. Your own individual swing. It'll be about that why you do that. And in Tennessee. Who your favorite swings on tool So yeah the hoffer before swing. He's not he's also been technical issues. Something which have grown up to you. And I remember. Read in some Torrance's biography when I was a kid. Oddly enough but he talks about hovering the club before he hit. So he didn't get penalized if the ball moved social rules thing so I'll give it a go started doing it quite the feeling of it and just didn't ever since so he's not a is it's just automatically now. I don't even I don't even think about very distinguished anyone to what she's page videos. We'll see you have to check it out because I was very good Golfer. It's all about go finding what works for you right through hammered for my goal swing in the comments on my youtube videos. Oblate MONITORED. A bad back. But I'll take away there. We go thank you. Thanks those questions. We've got one question. This is the big one guys. I want to get your thoughts on this in the comments down below is a lot happening right now. A lot of noise about its potential new premier. Go Flake new world tour if you like. We still learning a lot of information about this. In the information information gathering stage. What your initial thoughts Peter From Shaun? Donovan I should say sorry Sean I mean it's obviously get the support the major players. We already know that. Rory's can I said he's not interested and I think there's always a question mark as anything which is predominantly based on money so with Fedex like no matter how much the PJ toll pushes it all people. Actually that bothered about it no matter how much money for the first prize while people about the majors. Why do both around the majors is the history tradition and that's grow up if you're a goal that's what you WanNa win? You WanNa win the open. You WanNa win the masters you WanNa all truck in the US Open and come through and yet it'd be amazing to win three four million dollars whatever it be if you win an event the L. though that's going to buy you a few more houses wall kind of trophy. Do you want on your shelf do you want? Do you want something like a major? You won't like it established event on that. Do you want to just to cash crop. Yeah do they hear what you're saying? I think he's going to be interesting. One thing I always think about is nothing stays the same forever if it was like it might be a little early but if you look in the last fifty years ago of the brain for the PJ of America to the PGA tour itself things out the premier league ATP well. They've talked about doing something like a team constructor's championship similar to forbid one while they're going to shoot differently. Every every event is a shotgun starts all the GOPHERS. We're on the golf course at the same time. Those things can get behind. But you could do that in the PGA tour. You don't need a new golf tour to do that. So what do you think your thoughts on our show? The agree with Vinci on fuming about the m fuming I just I love the grand old game of Gopher near. I'm totally beyond Rory mcilroy went when Roy came out and just immediately said No. Count me out. I'm not interested. You know I wanna be on the right side of history. He wants to win the major Ziesel care about money. So much is generated by money. They saw fuel by money they saw idea. And you know the the Talk Plaza enough money already. That this sets up as is is fine and it just sounds incredibly dull from. I'm here the same place every week. Was it three round events. The team element just seems ridiculous. Because I heard that you pick the the two highest ranked players to contribute to the. Up Team captains the two plans to contribute points that week. You know there are always going to the the highest ranked players from what I've seen a bit rubbish and I'm not. I don't expect to get off the ground. I mean talk very diplomatic. When he was talking about it he was sent disorder. A of course speaks medieval. Not but it'll have to pay more than he's ever played and in a in a season don't keys if he if he's going to commit to it then he anyone. Rory Rory said Toy so you take more. We macro and tiger woods left with them. A very important to my is So yeah on on debt against I don't think it kills the ground woefully next. I'm I have some questions. They see on the fence so much with that but yeah no. It's it's an interesting topic. I think it's going to rumble on there are elements and they're very intrigued by Equally there are a lot of concerns and that what can happen. He's always interested into something new then. The days got a is called spark interest in it. It's got to be if he's if he's a new products that are going to be a better product absolute moss currently that and. I don't see how the full my I suggested is actually going to be more intriguing than the corn offering. Might be wrong and if it works it gets off the ground. Great New Gulf mogul. I'm all for it but at this moment law. Show that just about wraps up here on the sweet spot thank you very much. Thank you tips as always Steve. Thank you for coming down to be on the show. Very much appreciated. Remember to let us know your comments and thoughts on this week's event in the comments down below and also thoughts on the Premier League of golf interested to see we will see you next week when Bruce we with us as gambler responsibly. 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Network (1976) w/ special guest Ted Walch

Classic Movie Musts

58:54 min | 9 months ago

Network (1976) w/ special guest Ted Walch

"I'm Max Baril and this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown a classic movie well looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least will talk about what makes these movies classics. Classic movie must releases every Friday. Ready to your weekend movie viewing plans. Thank you for joining me this week as we discuss network in this episode in our Feature Presentation We welcome Ted Walsh to the show to talk about the structure and the prescient qualities of network. But first let's get into this week's opening credits. Our Film. This week is network which was directed by Sidney Lumet and was released in nineteen seventy six network stars. Peter Finch William Holden fe dunaway. And Robert duvall Howard Beale the longtime anchor of the Union Broadcasting Systems. Ubs evening news learns from friend and News Division President Max Schumacher that he has just two more weeks on the air because of declining ratings the to get drunk and lament the state of their industry the following night beal announces on live television that he will commit suicide on next Tuesday's broadcast. Ubs fires after this incident but Schumacher intervene so they can have a dignified farewell. Beal promises he will apologize for his outburst but once on the air he launches back into a rant claiming that life is bullshit. Beal's outburst causes the newscasts ratings to spike and much Schumacher's dismay the upper echelons of UBS decide to exploit antics rather than pull him off the air when wheels topped out Diana Christianson who heads up the network's programming department approaches Schumacher and offers to help him develop the new show. He says no to the professional offer but she also makes him a personal offer and the two begin an affair. Christianson seeking just one hit show cuts a deal with a band of terrorists called the Ecumenical Liberation Army for a new docudrama series called the mouse a tongue. Our for the upcoming fall season when Schumacher decides to end bills. Angry man format. Christensen convinces her boss. Frank Hackett to slot the Evening News. Show under the entertainment Programming Division. So that she can develop it. Hackett agrees bullying the UBS executives to consent and fire Schumacher. In one impassioned diatribe beale galvanizes. The Nation persuading his viewers to shout out of their windows. I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonNA take this anymore soon. Afterward deal is hosting a new program called the Howard beale show top billed as the mad prophet of the airwaves. Ultimately the show becomes the most highly rated program on television and beal finds new celebrity preaching his angry message in front of a live studio audience. That on cue. Chance Beal's signature catchphrase in mass at first. Maxon Diana's romance withers flourishes but in the flush of high ratings the to ultimately find their way back together and Schumacher leaves his wife of over. Twenty five years for Christianson when bill discovers that Communications Corporation of America a conglomerate that owns UBS will be bought by an even larger Saudi Arabian conglomerate. He launches an onscreen tirade against the deal and urges viewers to pressure the White House to stop it. This panics the top network brass. Because you'll be as his debt load has made the merger essential for its survival. Hack it Spiel. To meet Chairman Arthur Jensen who explicatives his own corporate cosmology describing the interrelatedness of the participants in the international economy and the illusory nature of nationality distinctions. Christensen's fanatical devotion to her job and emotional emptiness ultimately drive away Schumacher who warns his former lover. That she will self destruct. At the pace she is running with her career. Jensen persuades bill to abandon his populace message and preach his new Vangel. However ratings slide as audiences find the new sermons on the dehumanisation of society depressing yet Johnson will not allow UBS to fire. Beal seeing. It's two for the price of one value solving the plus sparking a boost in season opener. Ratings Christianson Hackett and the other executives decide to hire the UCLA to assassinate beal on air. The assassination succeeds. Putting an end to the Howard beale show and kicking off the second season of the Mouth Tongue. Our network had a budget of three point. Eight million dollars ultimately brought in twenty three point. Seven million at the box office adjusted for inflation. That is a budget of just over. Seventeen million dollars and a box office hall of just over one hundred million dollars network was nominated for ten. Academy Awards winning four. It was nominated for best film editing. Best Cinematography best supporting actor for knit. Beatty Best Actor for William Holden best director for Sidney Lumet and best picture. It won the awards. For best supporting actress. For Beatrice Straight Best Actress for Faye dunaway best original screenplay for petty and Best Actor for Peter Finch. Now I don't know about you but I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonNA take this anymore because well. It's time for our feature presentation if you didn't know already. Classic movie must is supported by listeners. Like you on Patriots and your support there makes a world of difference for the show but I also think we offer you a pretty good deal. We have a patriotic exclusive weekly. Podcast called Classic Movie Must Double Feature where every week we talk about more recent movies from the last twenty years that are destined to be thought of as classics. We also have a monthly show called maxes movie musts which is a top five show. Where you the get to write in with the topic and I give you my top five films for your topic. So between both of those shows you're getting five exclusive episodes every month at least so at the very least for just one dollars a month. You're getting five episodes. Twenty cents an episode. I think that's pretty good deal. You'll also get the happy knowledge that for as little as twelve dollars per year you can help keep classic movie must running and get a lot more classic movie must in your podcast feed so please. I encourage you to head on over to Patriotdepot dot com slash classic movie musts and read about our different support tears and the various rewards. We offer and you can read all about our shows. Max's movie musts and Classic Movie Must Double Feature. I thank you so much for those of you who do support US unpatriotic and I hope some of you out there. Consider supporting us as well again. Over at Patriotic Dot com slash. Classic movie must now onto our guest. Joining us for today's feature presentation is my brother and arms of film analysis. Ted Walsh Ted. How are you doing today very well? And you Max doing well as well I I take. We gotta look for the Silver Linings in these troubling times. And getting to do more episodes with you is most. Certainly my silver lining likewise. I feel the same keeps me busy. Indeed indeed well we We are keeping busy We we've recorded now a series of episodes but they've all been kind of out of order so I am not exactly sure when people hear this in relation to the other episodes we've done at this point but needless to say they're all good so listen to all of them and look for more in the coming weeks wheel of fortune. They're out of order now too so exactly and you know if we're if we're in the company of wheel of fortune than that's good company. I can now admits to our audience that I am a wheel of Fortune Junkie And I joined Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner who nightly count Vanna White's steps As she walks back and forth Punching LETTERS. Want you to know if that's not a reflection of the amount of time we have on our hands then. I don't know what else is -actly fake you all right all right so today we are talking about Sidney Lumet's network and we've been talking for a while about doing a Sidney lumet movie and I think this is as good a place to dive in as as there can be. What do you think I agree? And and and I think in general we need to say that Sidney Lumet's a little bit although a little later in time like William Wyler every time you turn around and realize a film you really love and you go. Oh yeah that was directed by Sidney Lumet and they they each have they have this in common wiler and Lumet. They always suit the style of the movie to the story that they're telling they do not themselves Espouse and individual style like say Stanley. Kubrick does right And and also particularly lumet a meticulous. Rehearse her before he even begins filming And that shows up in film that we're talking about today. Yes I love that point because I do think that is I I have. I think I have tremendous respect for both sides where a director who can really who just has their style and you can tell immediately. Oh this is clearly a film by that person. But there's so much to be said for those directors who really suit the style to the story and I think that's probably the the harder task and this film especially so because I mean we've talked about twelve angry men here on this show and you think about twelve angry men and then you think about network Stylistically so different and network. I think perhaps more so compared to a lot of Sidney lumet's movies I think is a style all its own. It is so dynamic so frenzied all things. I think we're going to talk about in this episode but it really does feel completely unique to this story that needs to be told a story that that with time as time goes on seems wow more prescient more prescient than than it was last year and this year by year it seems more astounding made this movie. I agree and and when it way back Quinn at some point. I'm not sure whether it was when he won the Oscar or whatever Aaron Sorkin said about petty script and about the movie in general that it was more forward thinking than even George Orwell. That's a direct quote from Sorkin and and and you're absolutely correct even today like literally today what's going on now with the corona virus the daily updates. How television figures into it? This movie feels absolutely prophetic and prescient. Yuck no it's truly it's truly amazing when you think the degree. They had their pulse on their finger on the pulse with this movie. And what's also and perhaps. What makes it so prophetic? And so precious and the kind of the genius of these men is when you read certain interviews with them at the time and people said you know this is what a satire. I mean the irony that you guys find and they said you know. We weren't really setting out to make a satire. We're we feel like we're telling the story as it is and that it needs to be told as this is the road we are going down. This is satire. And that's exactly right and and here's a really interesting thing which I'm sure. Many in our audience know what makes what makes both these men particularly qualified to tell the story one to right and one to direct. It is that they first of all we're great friends. And secondly they grew up together as professionals in live television in the nineteen fifties. That was their training ground. That's where they learn the language of the camera the language of the script. That's how that's where. They learned how to tell their stories so that they know television and I think it was. Lumet. I'm not sure it was one of the one of the two of them who said We didn't leave television. Television left us because there is a real sadness that I think underlines a lot in this movie about what happened to the television that they knew in the fifties. I have the great privilege Max of having a very close friend. One of their associates a man named Tad Moselle who wrote a lot of live television scripts for playhouse ninety And so forth and so on and they were directed by the likes of Lumet and Frankenheimer and they all these guys knew each other and Tad always spoke very eloquently about how exciting live. Television was in the fifties. How you know. Sometimes you'd have maybe just a week to get a script together and it was all filmed live and I mean absolutely live. No time delay. No nothing just live and so these. These guys really knew their craft. By the time we get to the end of the fifties so in one thousand nine hundred seventy six when they do this movie. They absolutely know what they're doing. So you've kind of set me up here Ted. For what Something I wanted to ask you which was kind of a new reading for me of this film that I found intriguing that was thought provoking. And I'm curious. If you see the same undercurrent that I do. Which is yeah. Okay here. We go that really the Max Schumacher character. And the Howard beale character or Sidney Lumet and Patty and that Howard Howard Beale the mad profit we see a lot of our mad prophet patty. Afc and Hin and the maybe more typically what what would you say? A new troll or distant. Sidney lumet's a director whose films are incredibly powerful but not always as Stylistic as we see in this film is kind of this Max Schumacher but both characters because I find them their their friendship especially early on in the film so touching these two seasoned veterans. Who are who really are looking back and saying God. Things just aren't the way they used to be. And I think I think that one hundred percent and whether it's conscious or unconscious really makes no difference. Exempt exactly might want that relationship between those two guys so so humorously told at the very beginning when they're they're both a little drunk and they're out on the street in New York and once again as we will find out later Maximums telling his his old one hundred time. That's going to the Brooklyn Bridge in his pajamas. I it it. We just feel the depth of that friendship and and when later much later in the movie when Mack has those extraordinarily beautiful speeches to Diana just before he leaves her for the last time About what he's lost and and and what he needs life what he looks forward to that. Oh that feels to me. A A deeply personal In the way that it's written and the way that it's played also it's bill holding who was late in his career at that time and and there's a real sort of Elegiac feel To his bidding farewell as master his profession and he bill holden In the twilight of his career Bidding farewell to his career. It's really kind of. That's it's that moment that really kind of set me down this line of thinking because you really feel I do feel as much of Sydney Lameta and I feel. Patty chassis putting themselves so deeply into that speech. Yup and as you say what William Holden brings to it as well. You know when you think that William Holden Peter finch the to lead characters really only a few years older than Sidney Lumet and Patty. They can really see themselves in these two figures as well. I think. Everyone's bringing that personal quality into it and I think perhaps on the flip side of it and I don't think it's like I don't mean it as a criticism of the movie but I think if there's a criticism you can find in this movie but I think it's really just kind of another rich vein worth discussing. Is that this film. The victims of the film really are Howard Beale and Max Schumacher. These middle aged olders older white men who feel alienated and left behind by the by the industry that they helped create. And there's a sadness as you say elegiac quality to their tone and because of that. There's you know we view the other characters more as villains and there's so much kind of misogyny wrapped up in Faye dunaway's character and it's not particularly kind representations of everyone else except Max Schumacher and Howard Beale. And so you kind of say whether as you say whether it's conscious or not is besides the point that these great artists. I think are pouring themselves into this movie and I think it manifests itself in really interesting ways right and that they were such deep friends to begin with and both of them could be No question about it difficult to work with for some people. So you have to to Sometimes crotchety characters. Who are dear friends and love working together. It's just it just shows throughout the movie and it shows in the quality of the movie itself Tchaikovsky by the way As I'm sure you know what's on all the time and was was put chilliest to a fault about wanting to make certain that everybody spoke to the lines. Exactly as written. I mean as you can tell him this movie. The vocabulary of this movie the the expectation that the audience is going to understand a lot of really hundred dollar words like pecking and seven a role And Jeremiad and and and it's it's really this. This movie honors the Intelligence if its audience and it says you know audience. I expect you to know what we're talking about here. And we're not gonNA ever talk down to you that this this movie with us saw in that sense and when you think about the themes of the movie that is actually I think perhaps maybe the most uplifting part is that this film does cast such a bleak look of the world we live in we are all just pawns of this corporate scheme and really these these quote unquote programmers are trying to just break free of the corporate struggle even in there and they don't even see that they're equally pawns. When they're trying to kill Howard beale in the end but it's it's exactly that if if if lament and Tchaikovsky really believed that then they wouldn't also talk to us in the intelligent manner they do and assume we as the audience are going to be able to follow along. They don't pull their punches. They pull their punches. They don't talk down to us as you say so. They actually do really think that we are more more press. You know more more. Intelligent than the audiences in Howard beale show. It's also it's also a movie on although I teach to kids and kids love it It is a movie in many ways for a mature audience the the level of emotional understanding about middle age and later middle aged in this film especially in the relationship between Max and his wife played by the remarkable beatrice straight Th The the the assumption that we the audience are old enough and sensitive enough and have been through enough to realize that that kind of thing really does happen at that level of intensity and nuance that that. That's not simple writing it's it. It's writing that that takes you in and out of moments in a way that surprises you. It allows for the actors to play it beautifully and Holden and straight definitely do and and as you know She won a best supporting actress award for as little time on screen is as almost humanly possible to qualify as a supporting. Maybe you do. But it's just the one scene where she has her amazing. You know her amazing speech. But it's a little seen what she reports that Howard's left the house But that's that's it. We just don't see that much of her but it's a great great performance a little side note I once had the honour to audition beatrice straight for little professional piece of work. I was doing and she was one of the most generous and kind of persons. I'd ever met in an audition situation. I just want to give her that little shout absolutely. I mean I love your point because I do think this film has struck me quite differently at different points in my life. And and I think the film is so richly kind of structured around these three pillars. If you will and I think depending the point your life depending maybe even your mood on the day you really might gravitate more or see the connections between each in different ways because you do have obviously kind of Howard beale storyline the Mad Prophet and his trajectory. You have the corporate world and the ironies therein. That kind of underlie the whole film. And then you have the romance storylines which I think the first few times I saw this movie. I didn't appreciate in the same way because the romance storylines are really kind of everything in an important way in this film and I love is handled Jerry differently. They're not they're not cheap there they really. I agree with you in many ways there without them. This movie would not work nearly as well as it does. Yeah I'm curious if you see the the kind of the stylistic qualities the same way I do because I think each of the each of the pillars of will are handled differently in interesting ways. I think the film in general starts with kind of this almost procedural tone the voice over that we get. Yeah go ahead. Yeah was gonna say that the two things that always struck me about this film. Stylistically are things that we really tend to take for granted in movies and don't really think that much about them and this movie we don't get them one is there is no score. There is no soundtrack there a a there's composition there's no music accompanying the big moments. The only music in this film is sourced within Whatever it television show is going on or whatever moment is happening. It's it's It's it's beyond diabetic. The the other thing is there are no there are no dissolves in quick cuts yes And those two things stand out to me every time I see it and finally and maybe this. I hope this isn't too soon to talk about it. But but the lighting in this movie in what Lumet. Mta Eski. We're trying to accomplish that. The lighting begins as naturalistic as realistic as possible. When you watch the first third of this movie you can really see that. They are trying always to film with as little cinematic or theatrical lighting as possible and by the end of the movie it is all what we call television lighting in other words lament said he wanted to corrupt the movie itself. That the that the movie becomes as the style of the movie becomes as corrupted as the story that the movie is telling about how television became corrupted so the movie gets corrupted by television lighting And I I just find that four smart interesting choice how to wed style to theme how to story and that that again is lumet. That's just so careful in his work and and I'm sure some of that came out and rehearsal. Also he comes in he comes in. He didn't use his full shooting schedule. He was always very organized. This guy he knew he knew how to do what he had to do. And that comes from live television in the fifties. Those guys knew how to bring it in on time. They they had to so anyway. Sorry to rent excellent. Excellent points and totally dovetailing with what I was about to say. I love your point about the music. No score and to me. Those those moments when Howard beale show starts and we do get that you know as you say like ultra digesting news of that Don Don it may. It's all the more striking because you say. Oh my God you're right. I haven't I haven't heard any music this whole time so when it does. It is like the television corrupting just as you say. It is a show that grabs your attention. We put in loud music at the start of the show. So you look back and say the advertisement is over. I will watch. I will keep watching very good. And because I'm I'm a lot older than you. I have to point out something that I don't. The only persons of a certain age will notice the lighting the force spotlights that Howard walks into an out of in the Howard beale show. We'll actually he doesn't walk out of the always passes out his catatonic date. But those come from the Jimmy Durante. Show which was a famous television show that I grew up with and Jimmy Durante. Had these four spotlights that he walked into and then he walked out of and at the end of his show rather cryptically would say and good night Mrs Calabash wherever you are and nobody ever knew who misses. Calabash was olers much conjecture. So that's a deliberate quote of of an old television show which I just find delightful and then also you get to see in the Howard beale show you actually see the stage hands turning the the rotating platform to bring on civil the Soothsayer and whoever goes other Auxiliary characters are in. In the in the Howard beale show. Yeah I love that that we we actually see the mechanics of television and and lumet worked in a television studio with real television camera action to try to get that as realistic as possible. And that's to go back to your point. There's nothing satiric about it. It's meant to be realistic. If there's only if there's one thing satiric in the movie maybe to The one is the the actual killing of Howard beale. That's that's that's a little over the top shirt and then in the hallway which laurine hobbs especially is is is portrayed. Yeah she makes me laugh so hard. I can't stand on love that performance but that is larger than life and then larger than life in this cases satiric yet the the negotiation seen in the in the the terrorist house. That is obviously. It's taking it to a whole new level but at the same time you say I could see it happening. No if you if you work enough with agents sorry A. and UTA and all the rest of you if you weren't enough with agents actually. It's not that far off you know because they're they're all talking about percentages and deals and who's going to get one and ten percents and twelve percent of that eight percent of this perfect perfect perfect perfect and do you know the little detail. I'm sure you do because you always know this stuff that the Patty hearst character Is Played by Walter Cronkite S- daughter and Walter Cronkite is the epitome of integrity and decency in television news. Indeed how often you use those words anymore integrity and decency in television news And casting her as as the Patty hearst character Is Is it just delightful little twist bless her heart? She's not that good an actress. But we don't really care it's just kind of a nice touch and they have that much to say or do But there she is in fair enough It's not even when you say integrity and all these things in television. It's not even like a bygone era. We don't even really remember it anymore and all. It's not even something we can finally think I do. But it's it's no but I love your points and you're you're talking there are few. There's like all these points that you brought up and I WANNA go back to each of them because I think they're all so important one you talk about the lack of dissolves and again talking about Lumet's ability to tailor his style to the film. This film is frenzied. It is dynamic in a way that hit a lot of movies aren't and but he's willing to do that in this in this performance in this film similarly I think not to discredit any of the actors because all of the actors in this film are brilliant but I think lumet find something in each of their performances that we don't see in lots. In in their films. Up to this point I mean fade dunaway fantastic but the energy she brings to the screen and this film. I think is unlike anything you see really up into this point career and totally unique on a or from Evelyn Moray and Chinatown. It is. It's a different energy and and You Know Faye dunaway could be Famously difficult to work with and I'm sure she was in this movie as well but boy does she deliver the goods and Lumet loves actors even when they can drive him crazy. He loves them. He knows how to work with them. He respects them. He also loves writers. I just wanted to say to our audience that you do yourself. No other favor In reading film a book about film read Sidney Lumet's making movies D- it's just one of best accounts of what it means to be a director to work in the business and to do your thing with integrity and honesty and decency. Yeah I think I read that book Before I took your class many years ago Ted for you If someone gifted me that books about film I'd say making movies and Hitchcock Truffaut. Those of the two twice all the roster. I think you're absolutely right. So and then the other point I love that you make it talking about the sets that we see on Howard beale and those rotating we we see the whole crew because what I find so interesting is so much of this movie what Sidney Lumet decides to show us through a TV screen and what we get to see live so to speak and we get. So much of Howard Beale pontificating through the screen as the viewer would watch it from home. We are seeing him through really two screens our own screen and the screen on a screen. But then he chooses to show US scenes from the live studio but I think specifically to highlight the artifice of it. All the same we the scenes we see in Howard beale studio whether the new set early on or when it becomes a very different show the Howard beale show at the end it is specifically to show us all those camera men the men who turned the stage the people in the booth. It is to show you. This is what goes into constructing these images. It is not just a screen. There is a whole apparatus behind it so really those scenes. They're not satirical by themselves but when we read into it just a little bit to say. Why are you showing this scene in the studio? Rather than just showing US Howard beale on television. There's real meaning in those choices as well absolutely and the payoff for all of that is when when the climactic moment comes as Diana's giving her speech before All the executives and friends the network and Howard is doing his rant about Arab money and and and the Devolve CAN'T ROBERT. Duvall character has to go into the ante room and take a phone call. And we are watching the Howard beale show on the television screen. There and famously duval says to the guy in the room. Oh could you turn that down when that is exactly what he should be paying attention to know what that rant is all about So it and it's just this little screen over in the corner of the frame and it's the busboys watching it now is yeah exactly. It's not the power players it's the everyday people. I think the moment that struck me once was watching those Howard beale scenes and I always thought it was curious in the moment when they were like why are the they show a civil the soothsayer and all the different side acts. We see their their stages turn and it took me. I think not in the first time I watched this movie to say well. Why are they showing the stage? Turn in realize to me. Of course will if you're watching this. Tv At home. You are not seeing the stage turn. They are turning it while the camera is somewhere else so that they can make the most out of this. Tv set but lumet puts us there in the studio to say this is how it all happens right and he actually filmed when he wanted us to see it as you would have seen it on television. He actually films that as he would have if they were doing a television show and then he shoots it wider with US watching as you say the artifice going on is as terrifically interesting choices and in fact one I think could spend many hours just going through this movie watching the way each time we get to Howard and the various shows that he's in Watching the the progression of filming language that is used to tell that story and all of it has to drive him into the great moment where The the big guy is chewing him out in the corporate boardroom. Will so I mean which is a brilliant sequence beyond belief and it? It leads me back to actually something. I kind of started a line of thinking earlier on in this episode. Which is the three pillars of this movie? Being kind of Howard Beale the romance and then the corporate and I really. I started to think about the film as being the corporate being in the middle that the corporate really kind of the corporate through line of this film touches everything and when he does you get some really interesting sequences so I think about it. I on the romance side of it when I think of the first time where Max and Diane Diana go out to dinner and you have there in this restaurant and it is. It's your quintessential romantic camera move. They're eating at a table. It's this long shot through the restaurant and it's going to just rotate around them at their table in just the most romantic way possible. It's what we are trained to believe. Is Romantic Camera Work? And then you just start to listen to their conversation a little bit and you say well. This isn't actually all that romantic. And then and then you build into their weekend getaway. And that's that's where romance and corporate the those two pillars intersect overlap and it is a brilliant sequence where all of their what should be. Romantic talk is first of all her and it's just all corporate speak and that's how they get how she gets off and you say ooh oh. Yeah dunaway's working. That scene is just amazing. Very difficult for she didn't want to do it. She had all sorts of problems with it. But boy does she delivered the goods and the only thing that gets her excited. Let's face it is. Is that kind of talk as she says. Later in the movie he says. I want you to love me and she basically says I don't know how to do that. Yeah I do not know how to do that. The one thing she does know how to do is to get good ratings and win the ratings start to fall off everything about her false off and then they have that only solution which is to kill him anyway but back to your three pillars. I like your three so yeah so to me. I mean that's the romance pillar which talked about is is quite meaningful throughout the various the various romances. Obviously Max and his wife the relationship between Max Diana the way that develops I mean all of these as you say speak to different stages of kind of human development but I love how then the romance world or the Romance plotline mixes with the Corporate plotline. And you get that irony and likewise you have Howard Beales surreal world. And I love the one thing that you don't expect from Sidney Lumet movies surrealism and you get it. In this movie with his dream sequence his state the staging of his set which is a visual experience unlike any other but then even his storyline meshes with the corporate world in the end. And you get this. Absolutely stunningly equally. Surreal and disturbing corporate boardroom. Sequence and a performance from ned beatty that is just out of the out of this world in in the mixing of the mad profit line. And what I'll say is Mad Prophet's line which is the Corporate World Prophet meets back there. You go sorry sitting profit. How long have you been waiting to say that? I love it You know you gotta you gotTa keep something up your sleeve right Did you know the story about ned? Beattie's getting this role. Tell me he was not the first choice for the role An actor who will not be name not that anybody would know the name. But there's no sense in saying it just wasn't quite right and ned beatty got this role and had three days very much three days to learn that part and to deliver what he delivers. An performance which is a performance to be remembered if there ever wants one And that brings me to say about the corporate development it. It has to do with space in the movie. If if the early corporate moments tend to be in offices or in the executive dining area in the building but they go progressively larger. Until we get to that great ned beatty scene filmed in the boardroom of the New York Public Library using by the way because the New York Public Library would not let them bring in any Theatrical Lighting It's all lit with those wonderful little green shaded lamps along the big corporate cable and it's perfect finally allowed them to bring in one lighting tree with one instrument to get one effect. But if you look at the lighting and that's scene it's brilliant use of available lighting and it just heightens the importance putting Ned All the way at one end of the table and finch all the way at the other end of the table And and it and it does have an even. Though it's available lighting. It does have an almost surreal quality because and the way Howard looks up at him and feels that he's seen God Or or whatever it is he feels he's seen I think that progression of of that spatial progression of Corporate Space In this movie is Pretty Pretty Brilliant. I totally agree with you. Because the first time we see that court The boardroom is when Frank Hackett is delivering his speech to the Board. And we have it and we the first time we see it in. Is you say at that point. It is quite different than anything we've seen in the corporate world up until that point and we say oh this is very it reminds me of. Mary poppins frankly when they go to the bank at the end of Mary poppins. Good call like that but it is. It's totally like the ultimate image. Is the ultimate iconography of the Corporate World. That those those lamps specifically in a boardroom. That is as ornate as that one with men in dark black suits very light. You know controlling the world go with Lumet's just creativity and also sense of budget. There's no we don't build a set. For that he's been in the boardroom of the New York Public Library. There's nothing better. Yeah that that's perfect. Let's use it and and I'm sure they didn't pay much to use it now. I doubt the New York Public Library. Charge THEM I. I don't know but I know the movie came in on budget or under budget because again that was one of Lumet's traits Also like to shoot by location in other words. He didn't want you're going back. He didn't want to shoot in chronological order. He simply if you're in this location. Let's do everything that we're going to film in this location while we're there and then if you're GONNA do this location. Let's go to that location and finish it out. They thought they had good space in New York for the television studio. That didn't work out. They found a very inexpensive one in Canada. They went there and they filmed everything needed to film there. Because the man was organized he had rehearsed. He knew what he had to do. He was a consummate professional. And sometimes we dismissed that we're always looking at these creative geniuses who improvise on the moment. Well fine but you know what Professionalism usually wins the day and I think it's an overstatement to say that this film is one of the most important films made in America I and every year it as you said earlier it just gets more meaningful Absolutely reality television. We are in a world today that seems to be reality. Television return on scenes from the political world. That somehow feel like they're from the television world that it's it's it's all one we sometimes don't even know the difference between the two. We don't know we. We've gone from real reporters. When I grew up in Television News Max. The reporters were reporters. They were the real deal. They were not personalities. They were not news person. They were reporters they they. John Cameron swayze Walter Cronkite David Brinkley And so forth and so on and now yeah sure we still have some very good reporters out there reporting the news and doing well but we also have an awful lot of people out there on various news channels who are applying their wares of that. Have nothing to do with what's really going on. It's just a show the better so the better it is. I love the sequence. I mean it's the again going back to the romance storyline but the scenes when they're having their fight and Diana and she says you know I don't like the script anymore. It's not how life works but that is exactly that is exactly. The film couldn't necessarily foresee something like YouTube. But I mean you see so much of our current youtube culture in this film. Still you know that. That's just how prophetic this film is to be able to foresee just how the media system works and then of course when matches leaving an and he actually quotes from an imaginary. Tv script as though to say that the and edit it it's it's it's he and he's really chastising her and and the world that has become by saying that's that's not what this is not this is life and the exclamation point being him saying you stay tuned for you know from clips from next week's episode. So don't stop watching. Never stop watching. And that's exactly and then you get that kind of the tone that this film ends on again going back to that sequence in the board room which is so powerful but again speaks to exactly our point you need a director like lament who who loves every artistic profession within this universe so loving the performance but also loving the ability of natural lighting that low camera angle but distant and low. I mean it really does combine everything to having such a powerful impact and then at the end of this film when you have the court we're back into the other corporate board room and it's you know this conversation of all. How could he be unhappy? When or how could he be happy with these? Horrible numbers that Howard Beale is getting I mean. He's killing us and that these Again these TV programmers these executives cannot see the forest from the trees to know that they are just as much pawns being manipulated by that corporate ideology That's anyway were. They are fundamentally discussing ends up with deciding to kill him That scene is lit review. Most sort of artificial Television like lighting each person in the specific obviously not available lighting way. It's really a real study in in in how to let lighting. Tell your story In a sub textual way especially when you compare when you think early on in the film when Max goes to resign in that same office. You almost question yourself to say. Is this even the same office? It looks so different at this point. absolutely Max. I'M GONNA be sure that we talk about Peter Finch Let's do it. Peter Peter Finch. First of all. He was an actor as a kid. I I greatly admire. I'm probably the only human being alive on the planet who remembers movie with Peter Finch and Elizabeth Taylor than I dearly loved called Elephant Walk. It is an awful film but I loved it at all I know. Is that the big moment in? The film is when all the elephants Walked through and and and crush the state Because of the arrogance of the state being located where they migrated through. But I've always a big fan of Peter finch and His performance in a in a Slesinger film called John Slice. Andrew Film called Sunday Bloody Sunday is is one of the most heartbreaking performances. I've ever seen on screen in a movie that is in and out in terms of quality but then God somehow made it possible for Peter Finch to give the performance of a lifetime very shortly before he died and that is in this movie He is if not the only the first actor to win a posthumous Oscar and it was for this performance And I often wondered if his his own sense of his mortality which must have been Particularly clarified. At the time he was playing beal I I often wonder if if that sense of his mortality. Being so keen isn't what makes this performance. Particularly Moving I'm always very moved by Howard Beale And and I moved about that he asked. There's some real wisdom there. Every time I teach this movie and my philosophy class to kids that the the moment that resonates and it's the moment that's meant to resonate. Is You know the mad as hell. Moment the big moment and sometimes even in the classroom kids will start standing up and saying we're mad as hell and we're not gonNA take it anymore Which delights me? The only other time the only other movie. I know that operates. That way is spartacus when everybody starts standing up in the movie theater and going I am. Sparty. 'cause I'm sparking Sparty. Because well they do it this movie. I'm not gonNA take it anymore. And it's there's something in finches vulnerability in in in his his honesty and his performance but my total favorite moment has nothing to do with him and it has to do with this terrific performance by the doorman know exactly say pajamas looking like oh crazy homeless person and the drugs. Oh good evening is be and he says something about I. I'm going to. I don't know what he says. He says something ridiculous like I'm I'm going to kill myself good. Yeah Yeah like I'm here to atone or I'm here for my atonement and the guys just like sure thing. Whatever you say whatever you saying sites my job. I've opening the door. This is what this is what people do. Yeah it's it's and it's a it's just a great great performance And it never gives into a cheap shots which when you're playing someone who's crazy you actors usually love it and they they start chewing scenery in the wrong ways he never ever does. There's real heartache. in in what he brings to this performance and its many Oscars are not deserved and there are many deserving performances that don't get Oscars but boy if there ever was an Oscar that was deserved it is this one and he didn't get it because he died. He got it in spite of the fact that he had died. Because this was breaking all precedent. And and it's because he gave such a phenomenal performance. Sorry I feel you're absolutely. You're absolutely right. It doesn't it is I would imagine it very difficult line to walk as you say not to give in to the completely history on side of things to say. Oh well this is becoming just this caricature you really do feel like this is exactly as you say this man suffered heartache who who is deeply angry and but especially early on especially I mean. That's the mad as hell scene. Who doesn't claim to have all the answers but claims to know at least how to get the ball rolling and I don't know I don't know about you but I've seen is obviously so powerful and but re watching this film for this episode was the first time that given the circumstances we live in where I was just. I'm sitting there going. This is the it was the first time that I with Gen. Genuine emotion in my heart and chest. Or like I want to go to the window and yell a mad as hell and I don't want to take this anymore because it is exactly what he's talking about that feeling where you just are like. I just educate you reach your breaking point and I. It speaks to that and we'll help maxwell making a a comparison if you if you flip that coin over look at what's happened in Italy recently when people have been confined to quarters but they go out on their balcony at night and they start singing and I thought wow Just just think about those two realities. They're both real and they're both deeply felt in their both important I'm mad as hell or I'M GONNA go out on my balcony and start singing Because what else am I gonNA do? by the way that that shot when all the people get their windows and the thunder is going and whatever whatever whatever he did find an abandoned building and he he he spent a fair amount of money getting light and the windows and getting people in those windows. And what I love about. It is that it's all in really in one space as opposed to a lot of cuts From window to window to window to window all over town. It's it's just building within the space. Which makes it? I think more powerful. I love the way you put that and it is it again knowing lament knowing the shot knowing the camera angle knowing the length of camera to the focus to us to really convey the power of a moment. But I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA go out of this film this week with a with a new feeling where. I'm just GonNa Enjoy William Holden. Peter Finch celebrating their friendship. Onscreen that the characters of Max and Howard embracing each other and I think a lot of JFK. And Sidney Lumet in these two men Looking back on their lives and looking to the future as well as we all you and and speaking good friends here a good friend and it's always nice to be with. You even separated by distance as you know. I think we both prefer it when we do these in one in one room When when you can look at each other while you're having a conversation but this is certainly better than not having a conversation at all this is This is a great joy of my week. Talking to you know question. 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Bryan Cranston is mad as hell on Broadway in 'Network'

The Frame

26:29 min | 1 year ago

Bryan Cranston is mad as hell on Broadway in 'Network'

"Hello. It's Bryan Cranston. And you're listening to the frame on eighty nine point three k p c c. And now, here's John. That's right. Bryan. Cranston is my guest today. We'll talk about acting anger and his role as the mad as hell news anchor and the Broadway at uptaken of the Oscar winning film network. I would rather have someone be angry at my performance than board. If I don't move them to some emotion, I feel like I failed and as it reaches its eighth and final season. We'll hear from the weapons master from game of thrones all that. I mean up on the frame. Podcast supported by cinema made in Italy. And magnolia pictures dog man from the director of Gamarra's is a crime thriller. That tells a story of vengeance. Where only the strong survive best actor winner at the twenty eight teen Ken film festival opens April twelfth in New York and LA welcome to the frame. I'm John horn. When the movie network was released in theaters in nineteen seventy six you could count the number of TV channels on one hand. There was no twenty four hour news, no cable, and no internet network was dark satire about a news anchor who was fired for lagging ratings who then ranted against our addiction to TV only to become a ratings hit. And at all struck a nerve. I wanted to get up right now. Go to the window open it and stick your head out and yell. I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore. I want you to Peter Finch when a posthumous Academy Award for his lead performance. Now, his character of anchorman. Howard Beale is being played by Bryan Cranston in a stage adaptation of network on Broadway out of your tears right now. Go to the window open. It stick out your hedging, yo. And I want you to go. How I take this anymore. The play was adapted by Lee hall from petty chef skis screenplay when I recently spoke with Cranston. He told me how he imagined Beal's life before he loses it on live TV when I choose projects. It's something that really moves me already. I without any effort at all. I start daydreaming about a project that I really am attracted to. And I know that's a good sign it stayed with me. It resonated. And so I just follow those instincts in what Patty and Lee had put together, and I came up with Howard Beale being and feeling irrelevant past his prime that he was about to go out to pasture and his wife has passed. He has no children. So he's basically alone. He's an island unto himself. And you'd think that some that person is reaching out to find connection connectivity with other human beings, but to serve the play. I realized that he had to invest in his aloneness and that deepened his sense of depression. And so it's out of that kind of low ebb that all these things are starting to transpire. In other words, he's a man with. Doubt anything to lose. And then he gets fired at the top of the show. And so he's like to heck with it. All. He drinks too much. He's he doesn't take care of himself. He doesn't eat. Well, he doesn't sleep. Well. And he's headed for a collision course, and he does in a way. But fortunately for him. It's more of an epiphany. He does have a sense of enlightenment that hits him and he tries to use that as a device to be able to communicate to his to his viewers. The other thing that was important about Howard Beale. And this is what Diana who is the woman who comes in to promote his rage says Howard Beale sat there last night and said what every American feels that. He's tired of all the B S Bs is my word not the place where he's our ticky relating the popular rage. Not gonna trick. You. Let's go. Let's look. Oh, look. You know, I I think that's also where Patty chef ski was on top of things that Howard Beale is tapping into something that is almost primal. And there's a moment in the play where the audience is encouraged to share in that rage, and that anger, and I'm wondering where you feel that fits into its relevance. And what it's like to hear the audience become as whipped up as they can be whipped up on any given night. We'll play is intended to entertain. But the most important thing that any storyteller. Whether you're on stage or film or television is to elicit an emotional response. I would rather have someone be angry at my performance than board. If I don't move them to some emotion, I feel like I've failed. So in this case, Patty and our production team for the. The version of has created an instigation to be able to light a fire under people. And actually when we get them to say, I mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore. It's giving them permission to be angry as a legitimate emotion. And I think our society has been lacking in that we can accept someone who's irritated or sad or. Despondent. But anger has not been an embraced emotion for many, many, eons, we see someone who's angry we will get away from that for that. Or that's and usually as a human being it's appropriate to be tolerant and accepting and embracing of of all different beliefs in opinions and religions and lifestyles, it isn't lovely thing to do as a human being to be more open to the quirks and idiosyncrasies of human beings. But perhaps right now in this unprecedented. Time in our country's history. Perhaps. Now, the appropriate emotion is anger because anger does stimulate activity. I remember in the sixties when anger stimulated a whole movement of antiwar protests and songs and art, and and style and plays and movies, and it it was a a movement that really moved the needle and had an influence on our political leaders in that period of time, and maybe there's room for that now, and it can really help to promulgate change. Coming up more with Bryan Cranston about his starring role in the Broadway. Production of network. KPCC podcast supported by cinema made in Italy. And magnolia pictures presenting dog man, a sly crime thriller from the award winning director of Gomorrah winner of the best actor award at the twenty eighteen canned film festival and the European film awards dog man tells the story of vengeance. Where only the strong will survive official selection of the telluride and Toronto film festivals. And the winner of nine Italian Oscars, including best picture director screenplay and actor opens Friday, April twelfth in New York and Los Angeles. We're talking today with actor Bryan, Cranston. He's currently on Broadway in a new stage adaptation of the nineteen seventy six movie network, which was written by Patti chef ski and directed by said, they lumet although the movie premiered more than forty years ago. It was oddly pression about where network news and tabloid television were headed Cranston plays Howard Beale, the mad as hell newscaster at the center of the story out your head. Yellow and don't stop yelling flourished. You've got to get mad when when you're mad enough, then we'll figure out what to do the emotion of anger and the challenge that Beal urges to his viewers is at the core of the story of both the movie and the play the stage version written by Lee hall is set in the present day, which further proves how timely network remains and Cranston has some thoughts on the value of anger today. Activism is important movements are important the kids down and parkland are important the metoo movement is important. The women's March is important. Black lives matter is important. It's all important and a lot of that comes out of rage out of anger. And if placed and directed properly it can be incredibly useful tool. You find that useful and actor when you are trying to get wound up as the character onstage. Do you summoned? Those things that you find frustrating. Does that help you get where you need to be? Oh, it certainly does. I you know, I I've had a challenging childhood and I've been an actor for forty years now. And I'm very used to opening up the cavity of my emotions to pull out whatever is necessary for any given scene or character. And I did learn early on that if you can honestly do that and show your vulnerability, even if you're showing characteristic of your personality that is not favorable that is not attractive that audiences will still embrace that because they feel the legitimacy of that and the and the verse Amila tude of that display, and that's what I try to follow. So I pull out whatever's necessary, and and hope that at least the audiences say that feels authentic. One of the other things that I think that's play is about is about paying attention and keeping your eyes open and listening to what people are saying. And I was struck by something I saw when I saw you in the play a couple of months ago. There's a moment where your character goes into the audience a couple rows deep and you're interacting with the audience. And there was a man, and I'm just ballpark in his age about sixty five years old any takes out his cell phone to shoot a selfie. And it was like your in the middle of live theater. This is a story about paying attention listening to what's being said and your instinct is to documented on your iphone and not be present. In the moment. I suspect that didn't happen. Just that one night. What do you see when you go in the audience, and what does it reinforce in your mind about what the play is really addressing? Well, that's I think it's very stupid because that is exactly what Patty was railing against is that we were so addicted to the to back then this console this this magnet in. In the household that drew all of our attention. We were absolutely addicted to it. Now, it's far worse because that tube is now a television that you can hold in your hand. And it's not just television. It's your schedule maker. It's your typewriter. It's your radio. It's your camera. It's all these things is that amazing tool. But we have to remember that it is just a tool, and if you don't control your use of the tool it could be misused. And then all of a sudden the tool is using you. But you're right. Every time I go into the audience, there is the level of unexpected activity, and there have been I would say in the five months that we've been doing this. I would say that once a week I will see someone pull out a phone to try to take a picture of me. While in the audience on so weak, and if they're close, I'll take it other hands, and I'll make light of it a look at it. And I'll say something like, well, that's strange looking cigarette holder. But thank you for not smoking in the studio and handed back to them trying to give them the message to just just listen. And look you don't have to do you're doing more than forty years ago. Patty, chefs key and said, the lumet made the movie network, and I wanna play a small clip from it, and it's Peter Finch as Howard Beale. And it's obviously a remarkable performance. But I wanna listen very closely to what Patty chefs Ke's dialogue is saying less than fifteen percent of your rate newspapers. Because the only truth, you know, it's what you get over this too right now, there is a whole entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come to think. Sadly, those numbers are probably even. Worse today than they were when they were written. But how important to you is that idea that what Patty chefs key and Howard Beale? We're talking about then is asked relevant, and perhaps even more important today than it was back. Then will I think that's what I attracted me to it. When I heard four years ago, I had a lunch with Yvo vinho Vare director in London. And he said he wanted to do this. And I was excited about it. Because I remembered network from the seventies when I was in college and it resonated then. But at the time, I took it, and I think it was intended by Patty to be satirical that wouldn't it be strange? Wouldn't it be weird? If out of this addiction to whatever is the newest technology this forms are complete an utter addiction to and someone can come out of that realm and Lee. Lead the world. It never occurred to me until I started really to to really think about doing this play that someone I revered so much in Walter Cronkite that he would be also involved in deciding what stories are to be told and what stories are going to be omitted from the newscast. But of course, that that of course, it was that that someone was making a decision we're going to, you know, disclose these five or six stories, I'm gonna leave these four off because we don't have the time, and whether your intentions are altruistic or not you are perhaps guided by your own subliminal ideology that makes you decide which stories to tell in which stories you're not gonna tell on any given broadcast. That kind of threw me and I realized oh, there's there's always been manipulation. There is always been a packaging of information. That is distributed to the viewer and that is never more. So than it is now where there's these encampments of so-called news outlets, but they're really opinion outlets, and they're spreading their own ideology. And we as the listeners tend to listen to what we all agree with and not our heads. Yes. And occasionally we might go over to the other station that we don't agree with and shake our heads. No. And what it is those people are we have engaged in kind of ideological tribalism where we have sectioned ourselves off and Patty wrote about that in the very last. Part of this play Lee hall road, something that was not in the movie that isn't amalgamation of Patty Chhaya skis responses by the press when asked why did you write network? What does it mean to you and his comments among many, others were the thing that we need to fear? The most is the outstanding damage and power of absolute beliefs. That we could believe anything absolutely is problematic that we need to keep our our senses open be willing to change for some reason. Now in our environment. If someone changes their mind about something because new information has come in there condemned in ridiculed as a flip flop, right? And you know, it's all this kind of attack kind of politics, which is both attractive because it's grasses various serve. But it's also repulsive because it's unfair in many cases and inhumane. Here's my last question. A lot of people listening probably won't get a chance to see you on Broadway network. It's a line from the play that you would want to leave them with. That means something to you. Yes. One of the last lines. I say is the only total commitment any of us can have is to other people. That's a it's simple. But that was written by Lee hall, not Patty tchaykovsky, it was kind of a coda a a wrap up. But those words were spoken by Patty cryan. Thank you so much. Thanks, john. Good to talk to you. That worked with Bryan Cranston is on Broadway through June eight. Coming up on the frame game of thrones returns this weekend for its final season. We've talked with one behind the scenes crew member who's responsible for a lot of the shows. Bloodshed. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn, the final season of the HBO series game of thrones premiers this Sunday, we don't know yet who end up taking the iron throne in the end. But it's probably safe to say that season. Eight will have no shortage of death destruction or epic battle scenes. Back in two thousand sixteen. I spoke with Tommy done the official weapons master for game of thrones. He oversees the design and manufacture of every dagger sword. Lance and quiver of arrows that you see in the show, and he explained the intricacy of the work involved in building up. The show's war-chest these weapons designed to my we make them the haffey made such a standard, the showcase the basically a weapon that you can push anywhere at all, you know, and any screen in anybody's hands on they look fantastic. They will look as upland or bad as opposed to as perhaps, but towards the standard understand that that oh expect expect the best and I try and put out the best. So I'm a stickler for Nash. And nothing lease my workshop, unless it's exactly the way it's supposed to be looked fantastic. You also have in some episodes. The actual fabrication of the weapons I'm gonna play a scene from the first episode of. Season four from game of thrones lets you know what's coming. You know, what's coming? So it you don't know what's going on here. There's a cauldron and something's being melted and two new swords or being forged and a very super Buffy looking blacksmith. Who is that to, you know, clearly nice looking though. Yeah. That would be made. I would be Milliyet good. Look a bit put them the script as she had big produce on thinking hanging second. I think been stitched up there. But yes, it was me. It was it was it was good phone. It was it was quite a quite a hot set quota heart seen that had to be shot over few days. So that was you're really melting iron. They're not the amalgamation with special effects. We actually did have a cauldron and we add a. The heat on a forest in that was heating bronze. So what we did was that the the actual pouring mechanism and on the liberation of. The bronze is what we use up about a thousand degrees. And this little forest area. The fight scenes in the show also have great sound effects. It's metal against meadow kind of EROs rushing through the air, the clan of armor, if we were on set and listening to the real sounds of what was happening. How different would it be? And what would we be hearing in fairness wouldn't be on a difference because we do tend to do as much as possible in camera and obviously with sound with Morona whenever sound sound guys. The quite. You know meticulous in Dr in the locker Noto enter and her under sound because we fight with a lot of aluminium. But what I like to do is elect to make sure that the weapons are are tones. So if the do clash you get a nice, cling clatter off them. Yes. There is a little bit of enhancement needed son required times. And it's also important what it's made out of. There are some weapons that are made out of steel. I'm gonna play a clip from a fight with the white Walker war the end of season five. So in the Saint John's snow is able to kill one of these white walkers. And that's because he has a sword named long claw, tell us about long claw. And why it is able to do what it's able to do. We have diversity the mythical powers of the Valerian steel that all of Alaron Steeler any weapon, the has Bulgarian steel has some sort of power. No, we don't tend to know what the power is onto it, certainly happens. Let's the first time we've seen of season for their does this weapon disintegrates that the white walkers. They're translucent sword. So they have a shower device seems to be that this shot voice, everything true and bodies decimates evidence. Wake totally invincible onto met the force played. I was Valerian steal. But you don't just turn around and go. Yes, this flaring, steal it cuts to everything we don't know us onto like I say, it just happens that. Particular time. And how do you go about making something as intricate as the white walkers spear Don was quite a tricky one because originally it was supposed to be visual effects all the way through onto onto the pilots? Look like ice right to make it look like ice. And then what happened was I think Joe was crazy and told what in two weeks of the actual shoes that I had to make one so little bit of panic set into. He's going to stand taken. What am I gonna do buy new where I wanted to go with the problem was trying to figure out the proper chemical or the proper material that will be strong. It will be translucent on the eleven hour found the proper material. So the nice resum again, we were very lucky we were shooting annoys lent prior to dash, and we've seen some these stalagmites and stalactites and some of took some pictures of them pitch a reference to a beautiful. So try to emphasize to keep that within the sword. If I to go back and look at your childhood were you playing pirate on Halloween at age hor was there anything in your childhood that made it clear that you are going to be a weapons master as an adult, and how did you get into this job? But you pure loc- really Amelia new few people needed needed a an extra para hands. And I started on a on a small smaller movie and Arlon taking might have heard it before. Braveheart about that one guy named Bill somebody Mel Gibson. So again that was my first introduction into into weaponry for the film industry. And again, a love the sorts. Great job. Great people to want the more of basically. So I went from there. Tommy done is the weapons master for game of thrones. Tommy, thank you so much for joining us from Ireland. Absolute pleasure, John. And that's our show for today. Remember to follow us on Facebook and Twitter. You can find us at the frame. I'm Sean horn. Thanks for listening. We're back here tomorrow.

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Bryan Cranston releases the rage in 'Network' on Broadway

The Frame

24:38 min | 1 year ago

Bryan Cranston releases the rage in 'Network' on Broadway

"Welcome to the frame. I'm John horn. When the movie network was released in theaters in nineteen seventy six you could count the number of TV channels on one hand. There was no twenty four hour news, no cable, and no internet network was a dark satire about a news anchor who was fired for lagging ratings who then ranted against our addiction to TV only to become a ratings hit. And at all struck a nerve. I wanted to get up right now. Go to the window open it and stick your head out and yell. I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore. I want you to Peter Finch when a posthumous Academy Award for his lead performance. Now, his character of anchorman. Howard Beale is being played by Bryan Cranston in a stage adaptation of network on Broadway out of your tears right now. Go to the window open it stick out your heads. And you know, and I want you to go. How? To take this anymore. The play was adapted by Lee hall from petty chef skis screenplay when I recently spoke with Cranston. He told me how he imagined Beal's life before he loses it on live TV when I choose projects. It's something that really moves me. All ready. I without any effort at all. I start daydreaming about a project that I really am attracted to. And I know that's a good sign it stayed with me it resonated. And so I just follow those instincts in what Patty and Lee had put together and I came up with Howard Beale being. And feeling irrelevant past his prime that he was about to go out to pasture and his wife has passed. He has no children. So he's basically alone. He's an island unto himself. And you'd think that some that person is reaching out to find connection connected with other human beings, but to serve the play. I realized that he had to invest in his aloneness and that deepened his sense of depression. And so it's out of that kind of low ebb that all these things are starting to transpire. In other words, he's a man without anything to lose. And then he gets fired at the top of the show. And so he's like to heck with it. All he drink. Too much. He's he doesn't take care of himself. He doesn't eat. Well, he doesn't sleep. Well. And he's headed for a collision course, and he does in a way. But fortunately for him. It's more of an epiphany. He does have a sense of enlightenment that hits him and he tries to use that as a device to be able to communicate to his to his viewers. The other thing that was important about Howard Beale. And this is what Diana who is the woman who comes in to promote his rage says Howard Beale sat there last night and said what every American feels that. He's tired of all the B S Bs is my word not the place where he's our ticketing the popular rage. Not gonna take it anymore. Let's go. Let's look. Look at me. No, I I think that's also where Patty shoshefsky was on top of things that Howard Beale is tapping into something that is almost primal. And there's a moment in the play where the audience is encouraged to share in that rage, and that anger, and I'm wondering where you feel that fits into its relevance. And what it's like to hear the audience become as whipped up as they can be whipped up on any given night. We'll play is intended to entertain. But the most important thing that any storyteller. Whether you're on stage or film or television is to elicit an emotional response. I would rather have someone be angry at my performance than board. If I don't move them to some emotion, I feel like I failed. So in this case, Patty and our production team for the. Theatrical version of has created an instigation to be able to light a fire under people. And actually when we get them to say, I mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore. It's giving them permission to be angry as a legitimate emotion. And I think our society has been lacking in that we can accept someone who's irritated or sad or despondent. But anger has not been an embraced emotion for many many eons, we see someone who's angry. We move get away from that for that. Or that's. And usually as a human being, it's appropriate to be tolerant and accepting and embracing of of all different beliefs, and opinions and religions and lifestyles, it isn't lovely thing to do as a human being to be more open to the quirks and idiosyncrasies of human beings. But perhaps right now in this unprecedented. Time in our country's history. Perhaps now the appropriate emotion is anger because anger does stimulate activity. I remember in the sixties when anger stimulated a whole movement of antiwar, protests and songs and art and and style and plays and movies. And it it was a movement that really moved the needle and had an influence on our. Political leaders in that period of time, and maybe there's room for that. Now, and it can really help to promulgate change. Coming up more with Bryan Cranston about his starring role in the Broadway. Production of network. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn. We're talking today with actor Bryan, Cranston. He's currently on Broadway. In a new stage adaptation of the nineteen seventy six movie network, which was written by Patti chef ski and directed by Sidney lumet although the movie premiered more than forty years ago. It was oddly pression about where network news and tabloid television were headed Cranston plays Howard Beale, the mad as hell newscaster at the center of the story. Stakeout your heads and yellow and don't stop yelling. I you got to get mad when when you're mad enough, then we'll figure out what to do the emotion of anger and the challenge that Beal urges to his viewers is at the core of the story of both the movie and the play the stage version written by Lee hall is set in the present day, which further proves how timely network remains and Cranston has some thoughts on the value of. Anger today. Activism is important movements are important the kids down in park land, Arron portent, the metoo movement is important. The women's March is important. Black lives matter is important. It's all important and a lot of that comes out of rage out of anger. And if placed and directed properly it can be incredibly useful tool. You find that useful and actor when you are trying to get wound up as the character on stage. You summon those things that you find frustrating. Does that help you get where you need to be? Oh, it certainly does. I you know, I I've had a challenging childhood and I've been an actor for forty years now. And I'm very used to opening up the cavity of my emotions to pull out whatever is necessary for any given scene or character. And I did learn early on that if you can honestly do that. And show your vulnerability, even if you're showing characteristic of your personality that is not favorable that is not attractive that audiences will still embrace that because they feel the legitimacy of that and the and the verse Amila toot of that display, and that's what I try to follow. So I pull out whatever is necessary, and and hope that at least the audiences say that feels authentic one of the other things that I think that's play about is about paying attention and keeping your eyes open and listening to what people are saying. And I was struck by something I saw when I saw you in the play a couple of months ago. There's a moment where your character goes into the audience a couple rows deep and you're interacting with the audience. And there was a man and I'm just ballpark in his age about sixty five. Years old any takes out his cell phone to shoot a selfie. And it was like your in the middle of live theater. This is a story about paying attention listening to what's being said, and your instinct is to documented on your iphone and not be present in the moment. And I suspect that didn't happen. Just that one night. What do you see when you go in the audience, and what does it reinforce in your mind about what the play is really addressing? Well, that's I think it's very stupid because that is exactly what Patty was railing against is that we were so addicted to the to back, then this console this this magnet in the household that drew all of our attention. We were absolutely addicted to it. Now, it's far worse because that tube is now a television that you can hold in your hand. And it's not just a television. It's your schedule maker. It's your typewriter. It's your radio. It's your camera. It's all. All these things. It's an amazing tool. But we have to remember that it is just a tool, and if you don't control your use of the tool it could be misused. And then all of a sudden the tool is using you. But you're right. Every time I go into the audience, there is the level of unexpected activity, and there have been I would say in the five months that we've been doing this. I would say that once a week I will see someone pull out a phone to try to take a picture of me while I'm in the audience once a week, and if they're close I'll take it out of their hands, and I'll make light of it. I'll look at it. And I'll say something like, well, that's strange looking cigarette holder. But thank you for not smoking in the studio and handed back to them trying to give them the message to just just. Listen, and look you don't have to do you're doing more than forty years ago. Patty, chefs key and said, the lumet made the movie network, and I wanna play a small clip from it, and it's Peter Finch as Howard Beale. And it's obviously a remarkable performance. But I wanna listen very closely to what Patty chefs keys dialogue is saying. Rate newspapers. Because the only truths, you know. It's what you get over this too right now, there is a whole entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out to think. Sadly, those numbers are probably even worse today than they were when they were written. But how important to you is that idea that what Patty chefs key and Howard Beale? We're talking about then is asked relevant, and perhaps even more important today than it was back. Then will I think that's what I attracted me to it. When I heard four years ago, I had a lunch with Yvo vinho Vare director in London. And he said he wanted to do this. And I was excited about it. Because I remembered network from the seventies when I was in college and it resonated then. But at the time, I took it, and I think it was intended by Patty to be secure. Article that wouldn't it be strange? Wouldn't it be weird? If out of this addiction to whatever is the newest technology this forms are complete an utter addiction to and someone can come out of that realm and lead the world it never occurred to me until I started really to to really think about doing this play that someone I revered so much in Walter Cronkite. That he would be also involved in deciding what stories are to be told, and what stories are going to be omitted from the newscast. But of course that that. Of course, it was that that someone was making a decision we're going to, you know, disclose these five or six stories, I'm gonna leave these four off because we don't have the time, and whether your intentions are altruistic or not you are perhaps guided by your own subliminal ideology that makes you decide which stories to tell in which stories you're not gonna tell on any given broadcast. That kind of threw me and I realized oh, there's there's always been manipulation. There is always been a packaging of information. That is distributed to the viewer and that is never more. So than it is now where there's these encampments of so-called news outlets, but they're really opinion outlets, and they're spreading their own ideology. And we as the listeners tend to listen to what we all agree with and not our heads. Yes. And occasionally we might go over to the other station that we don't agree with and shake our heads. No. And what it is those people are we have engaged in kind of ideological tribalism where we have sectioned ourselves off and Patty wrote about that in the very last. Part of this play Lee hall road, something that was not in the movie that is an amalgamation of Patty Tchaikovsky's responses by the press when asked why did you write network? What does it mean to you and his comments among many, others were the thing that we need to fear? The most is the outstanding damage and power of absolute beliefs. That we could believe anything absolutely is problematic that we need to keep our our senses open be willing to change for some reason. Now in our environment. If someone changes their mind about something because new information has come in there condemned in ridiculed as a flip flopper, and you know, it's all this kind of attack kind of politics, which is both attractive because it's Gresley of various certif-. But it's also repulsive because it's unfair in many cases in inhumane. Here's my last question. A lot of people listening probably won't get a chance to see you on Broadway network. It's aligned from the play that you would wanna leave them with. That means something to you. Yes. One of the last lines. I say is. The only total commitment any of us can have is to other people. That's a it's simple. But that was written by Lee hall, not Patty tchaykovsky, it was kind of a coda a a wrap up. But those words were spoken by Patty crying. Thank you so much. Thanks, john. Good to talk to you. That work with Bryan Cranston is on Broadway through June eight. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John horn the final season of the HBO series game of thrones is underway. We don't yet know who will end up taking the iron throne in the end. But it safe to say that season. Eight is not cutting back on death destruction and epic battle scenes. Back in two thousand and sixteen. I spoke with Tommy done. He's the official weapons master for game of thrones. He oversees the design and manufacture of every dagger sword. Lance and quiver of arrows that you see in the show, and he explained the intricacy of the work involved in building up. The show's war-chest these weapons when I designed we make them the haffey made such a standard death that our showcase the basically a weapon that you can push anywhere at all, you know, in any screen in anybody's hands on they look fantastic. They will look as opulent or bad as opposed to as perhaps, but towards a standard understand a data expect expect the best and I try and put out the best. So I'm a stickler for nothing. Lease my workshop, unless it's exactly the way it's supposed to be a look fun tastic. You also have in some episodes the actual fabrication of the weapons I'm gonna play scene from the first episode of. Zain four from game of thrones lets you know what's coming. Annot done. So it you don't know what's going on here. There's a cauldron and something's being melted and two new swords are being forged. And there's a very super Buffy looking blacksmith who is that to do. You know? Clearly nice looking though. Yeah. That would be made. I me yet. Don't want to go. Look, put them the script. I she had big produce thinking hanging a second stitched up here. But yes, it was made. It was enjoyable was good phone. It was it was quite a quite a hot set quota heart seen that had to be shot over few days. So that was a really melting iron there with the amalgamation with special effects. We actually did have a cauldron we add a. The heat on a foreign. India was hating bronze. So what we did was the the actual pouring mechanism and on the of the bronze is what we use up about a thousand degrees, and this and that little foreigners area the fight scenes in the show also have great sound effects. It's metal against meadow kind of EROs rushing through the air, the clan of armor, if we were on set and listening to the real sounds of what was happening. How different would it be? And what would we be hearing in fairness wouldn't be on a difference? I mean because we do tend to do as much as possible in camera and obviously with sound with Morona whenever sound sound guys of quite. You know, meticulous in Dr in the local town and are under under sound because we fight with a lot of aluminium. But what I like to do is elect to make sure that the the weapons are are tones. So if the do clash you get a nice, cling nice, Klaff them. Yes. There is a little bit of enhancement need to sun required times. And it's also important what it's made out of. There are some weapons that are made out of Larry and steel gonna play a clip from a fight with the white Walker wars the end of season five. So in the Saint John snow is able to kill one of these white walkers. And that's because he has a sword named long claw, tell us about long claw. And why it is able to do what it's able to do. We have diversity the mythical powers of the Valerian steal all Valeri Steeler any weapon, the has filarial steel has some sort of power. Now, we don't tend to know what the power is onto it, certainly happens. Let's the fourth time we've seen of season for their does this weapon that disintegrates that the white walkers. They're translucent swords. So they have like a shower device seems to be this shot voice, everything through and bodies decimates evidence. Wake totally invincible onto met the force played with Valerian steal. But you don't just turn around and go. Yes. Flaring, steal it cuts to everything we don't know us onto like I say, it just happens that. Particular time. And how do you go about making something as intricate as the white walkers spear that was quite a tricky one because originally it was supposed to be visual effects all away true onto onto the pilots? Look like ice right to make it look like ice. Then what happened was I think the was abyss crazy and told within two weeks of the actual shoes that I had to make one so little bit of panic set into. As is going to stand taking water gonna do buy new where I wanted to go with the problem was trying to figure out the proper chemical or the proper material that will be strong. It will be translucent on the eleventh hour found the proper material. So the nice resum again, we were very lucky we were shooting annoy slant prior to dash, and we've seen some these stalagmites and stalactites and some of took some pictures of them pitch a reference to a beautiful. So try to emphasize to keep that within the sword. If I to go back and look at your childhood were you playing pirate on Halloween at age hor anything in your childhood that made it clear that you are going to be a weapons master as an adult, and how did you get into this job? But pure really Amelia new few people needed needed a an extra para hands. And I started on a on a small small movie and Arslan until you might have heard it before. Braveheart about that one guy named mill somebody Mel Gibson. So again that was my first introduction into into weaponry for the film industry. Again. A love the move the sorta great job great people to want the more of basically. So when from their Tommy done is the weapons master for game of thrones. Tommy, thank you so much for joining us from Ireland. Absolute pleasure, John. New episodes of game of thrones air Sunday nights on H B O S, if you didn't already know that and that's our show for today. I'm Sean horn. Thanks for listening or back here tomorrow.

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Proposition 15: Commercial Property Tax

Bay Curious

12:41 min | 4 months ago

Proposition 15: Commercial Property Tax

"Cutie. Happy Friday everyone, and welcome to day two of Bay. Curious professed we're going through the twelve statewide propositions on the ballot. That's one prop per episode. I'm Lavalin price let's get to it. Today we'll take on the contentious proposition fifteen, which would raise the property tax assessments on many commercial properties around the state local governments and school boards. Love this one they see dollar signs but businesses not so key. Here's the title of the prop as you'll see it on your ballot. Proposition fifteen increases funding for public schools, community colleges, and local government services by changing tax assessment of commercial and industrial property billions of dollars are on the line. With this one we'll get into who pay and where the money goes today on the show it's proposition fifteen commercial property tax. Break. Support for Bay curious comes from Sierra Nevada brewing company. No matter how people enjoy the outdoors Sierra Nevada wants to help make sure their voices are heard Sierra Nevada supports protect our winters and it's make your plan to vote campaign learn more at Sierra Nevada dot com. Before we can unpack proposition fifteen. We first need to understand how commercial and Industrial Property Tax in California works now and to do that, we have to venture back forty two years Yeah well, you have to go back to nineteen, seventy, seven, seventy, eight via this is. Politics and government editor Scott Shafer back then Jimmy Carter was president Jerry Brown was governor the first time and the inflation rate was high like really high inflation's hit the standard of living particularly hard. And soaring property taxes have been a major factor. And at that time. Property taxes were based on the value of your house and so people who were having living on fixed incomes like senior citizens we're having a hard time paying their property taxes and some of them are actually losing their homes and so this created a movement. I am Barbara Eden. The American tax rate doubt Mova for the United States? I don't know if you ever saw the movie network. With Peter Finch, he plays this Anchorman Howard Beale and the I'm sure you've seen this clip where he throws open the window of his apartment and he screams out I. I'm not gonNA take this anymore. Well, that's what was happening in California about property taxes in the late nineteen seventies. Proposition thirteen gets placed on the California ballot and does a few six it taxes properties based on their nineteen, seventy six values or their purchase price. If the home was bought after nineteen, seventy eight, then it says, Hey, homeowners, we're not going to raise your property tax assessment any more than two percent each year even if your home appreciates by five percent year over year, we're GONNA pretend it was only two percent or less for tax purposes and lastly prop thirteen says property tax can be no more than one percent of a home's value. and. The purpose of this amendment is to reduce the amount of money that government takes taxes because we think the only way you can cut spending as to not give them the money in the first place proposition thirteen is passed into law by a huge margin proposition thirteen gauze what may be a record voter turnout. So. If you've owned property for you know since the nineteen seventies, your property tax bill has gone up a lot more slowly than others who bought the property since then. A two thousand nine study found that sense it went into effect. Prop thirteen has reduced taxes in the state by about five hundred and twenty, eight, billion dollars in aggregate. That's good news for property owners right. But it's not good news for local governments and school districts whose budgets depend on those property taxes. Are It's got. So if prop thirteen was originally written with homeowners in mind, how did all these commercial property's end up benefiting since eighteen fifty? All property in California was taxed the same way whether it was residential property or commercial property or agriculture property prop thirteen. It didn't change. It didn't divide up different kinds of property. It just changed the the way. They were taxed. Okay. So we get to this point where we're at today where I know there's some pretty big notable companies that have gotten away with paying relatively small tax bills tell us about them. There are some companies that are particularly benefiting from that tax structure. One of them is Disneyland it's taxes being based on one thousand seventy-five property values in Anaheim. One study showed that in two thousand four. So it's a little ways back, but you get the idea. Disneyland. was paying five cents per square foot in taxes. Now, if the land was reassessed, they would pay a whole lot more than that. Orange County right here in the bay area Intel has a plot of land in the heart of Silicon Valley and it. Has a current value of about two dollars and fifty cents per square foot. That's what the property is valued at. Well, professional office center right across the street was assessed recently at one hundred, twenty, six dollars per square foot. So fifty times more with they're paying property tax on while Intel is paying on just a tiny fraction of that. So that's the inequity. That some people see and that they think prop fifteen will address. Okay. So that's how everything is working right now, how would prop fifteen? which is what we're voting on this year change things. Okay. So the phrase that's used is it would create a split role right now there's one role for property taxes, commercial property, and residential all treated. The same prop fifteen would create a split role would split off commercial property and instead of taxing it based on what the owners paid for it, it would be reassessed and it would be. Taxed based on current market value, which is going to be a lot higher especially if that property has been owned for a long time and so that would generate between six and a half and eleven and a half billion dollars a year that would go back to the counties. So it would go sixty percent of that would go to local governments for local services and forty percent of it would go to school districts and community colleges to spend as they see, fit. And what's the rollout time Limi- would it be like the day after the elections and unle-. Everyone's tax bill goes up. No not at all. So it would begin to be phased in in twenty twenty two because it's GonNa take some time for counties to kind of ramp up for this, they have to hire more assessors they have to decide how to prioritize properties and then it will be fully phased in. By twenty, twenty five and so is this gonNA. Hit Commercial and industrial properties uniformly whether you're sort of small business or someone like Intel no I. Mean. First of all the way the law is written if you're properties worth less three million or less, it's not going to be affected at all but here's the caveat if you own, let's say you own four pieces of property that are worth two, million dollars each. That's eight million dollars, and so then those properties would be reassessed. They look at what is the total holding of the the person who owns it not just any single property but what's the total that they own and if it's above three million, then it would. It would, in fact, trigger a reassessment and what about agriculture? Agricultural Land is exempted from from the so just as residential property is a property is but you know this is opposed by the farm bureau and it's opposed by a lot of agroup S- because they feel that although the land itself may not be reassessed that things like apple trees or grapes or Haman trees. Improvements that they make to the property that that could trigger a reassessment so they don't quite believe. That in fact, farms and ranchers will be held harmless Scott I know one big question that people will have is, how will these changes impact homeowners? Well, that's a good question and the answer is it doesn't affect homeowners at all. Those rules for property taxes will be exactly the same as they are now. So that won't change at all. All right. Let's now get into who is supporting profit teen and why well, this measure was put on the ballot by unions organized labor in particular the Teacher's Union, they've put a lot of money into this and part of the reason is that. Prop thirteen back in again forty two years ago really reduce the amount of money that was going to schools because property tax money goes to school districts and so teachers unions feel that because of you know large class sizes inability to hire teachers because of the cost of living in California that all these things mean that that this infusion of money that would come from prop fifteen would really be good for for schools you know and it's it's also being. Endorsed by a long list of prominent Democrats including Governor Gavin newsom who endorser recently. Joe Biden. Kamala Harris Bernie Sanders has weighed in he supports it a number of local mayors like London breed and libby chef, and there's some sort of advocacy groups like the Sierra Club and the ACLU that also endorse prop fifteen who is opposing the perhaps so far well, not surprisingly it's It's business groups the Chamber of Commerce Black and Hispanic Chambers of Commerce sub the Republican. Party And of course, they're saying look we're in the middle of a recession. It's hard enough to do business in. California. Already with regulation and other kinds of taxes and now you WANNA raise taxes on businesses at at a time when. So many businesses are just struggling to keep the doors open So you know that that's an argument that they're making now because of the economic situation now, if it'd be interesting to know we will never know but you know what would their argument be if the pandemic hadn't happened and the economy was still roaring? But as it turns out, it's a pretty good argument for some voters given that you know the economy is in fact struggling. I don't think people will be surprised but because there is so much money on the line here that also means that this is shaping up to be one of the most expensive props that will be voting on this year. Tell us a little bit about the campaign finance and how that says shaken out so far. So as of late September early October, the Yes side has raised a little bit more money forty, million, roughly thirty million for the No side. So they're pretty evenly funded. The thing is it's hard to break through to voters in this climate where we've got so much focus on the presidential election, the pandemic, the Supreme Court wildfires, and so what we've seen actually in some recent polling is that there's an unusually high level of undecided voters because they they don't know much about these ballot measures because it it just don't. Time in the day really to learn about so many things especially when you're people you focused on and preoccupied with other things. Yeah. There's a lot to be focused way too much. Well, skullshaver. Thank you so much for stopping by really appreciate you walking us through this one. Yeah, always happy to talk to you. Vote Yes. On proposition fifteen says barring some exemptions you commercial and industrial properties taxed according to their current market value rather than their original purchase price. Novotna means things stay the same and properties should continue to be taxed based on their purchase price with annual increases equal to the rate of inflation or two percent whichever is lower. We'll be back on. Monday with our episode on proposition sixteen, which is about affirmative action in the state of curious fast is produced by Katrina. Schwarz wraps bait and me Olivia Allen Price with a big assist. From the whole cake you d newsroom you can find more of their in depth coverage at k. q. e. d. dot org, Slash Elections Bay curious made it member supported Eighty in San Francisco, if you're finding crops helpful, do us a solid and share it with a friend thanks so much.

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Culture Gabfest: Mad as Hell

Slate's Culture Gabfest

59:23 min | 5 months ago

Culture Gabfest: Mad as Hell

"I'm Stephen Metcalf in this is the culture has mad as hell edition. It's Wednesday August nineteenth, two, thousand and twenty. On today's show. We react to the sweet and really quite euphoric youtube sensation known as the action videos. A couple of young guys who have never listened to rock and roll. Here's someone protect conic anthems for the first time they react to them and then the great. Influenza by John Barry was just two point. Two opposite not to read and discussed tells the story of the misnamed Spanish flu of nineteen eighteen which killed between fifty and one hundred million people also tells the story of the medical science that arose in its wake and finally it was Julius pick this week for the now I think completely misnamed comfort movie. It's become discomfort movie really and. She went. To Hark, she went really dark. She picked Iraq. You're. Nine thousand nine hundred seventies classic network Julia Actually Darker than any of Dana's picks about Los Angeles on we getting murdered in the Mediterranean or By Tornado right there, it's one thing to slip one person's throat here. there. It's another thing to take a whole society over the cliff like, Pinch Women's. Anyway we'll get to it joining me today Juliet, Turner. Who is the deputy managing editor of the L. A. Times. Hey Julia. Hello Hello. And, of course, Dana Stevens. Is the film critic of Slate Dot, com Dan. Hey. Let's dig right in. Tim and Fred Williams are a twenty one year old issue twins from Gary. INDIANA, they've made a series of enduringly amateur youtube videos of them listening to songs for the first time. They went viral recently with clip of them listening to in the tonight by Phil Collins Nineteen, eighty-one Song. Is Notable for its spooky atmospherics almost sounds like a horror movie soundtrack at first this kind of aching vocal, and then of course, about two thirds of the way into the song out of nowhere, there's a thrilling drum break played by Phil Collins himself who it's forgotten was a virtuosic is a virtuosic drummer the video of these two kids listening to the song for the first time blew up and even made Phil Collins Relevant again, it trended on twitter and does got a bunch of downloads anyway let's listen to a clip. Good. Aged. On. Your Them Up. Way He ain't kill. Angle. got. Hey. Never. Seen the my job three minutes in the. Lake. But they does. Just does this doesn't really Enjoy. My job. As. Many. Wake them up. Julia. Let me let me start with you. This is. Is So infectious. So many people have written about it. So many people responding to a third the simple joy here that defies the. Mood of the times and seems to have broken through people's covid. Fog of depression. What would he make all? Well as with all youtube personalities, it has to do with how charming the person is or isn't right in these. Twins are really good at the ING on Youtube. You know they have this. Stick this channel where they listen to old songs or songs they haven't heard before extensively for the first time. We should stipulate that there is some debate about whether they are really hearing the song for the first time and I will confess that although the first few times I watched the video than listening to in the air tonight I was in the air truth are convinced that they were pretending to beguile us now that I have watched. Many many more of their videos having fallen down the rabbit hole of their charms I'm I've swung back around to belief and faith that they are actually hearing songs for the first time I. Think there's a few reasons why the? Twins have become. So popular number one. There's a lot of looking at old stuff in media because journalists are old and then they liked to write about the things they liked when they were young I mean not not to a one but you know nostalgia an animating force and Internet journalism. Oh it's the anniversary of this. Oh, it's an oral history of clueless Oh. Let's look back on when we all remember Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, and then it is also I think really rare in music media to not to have music appreciation not be clouded by. CONNOISSEUR, ship knowledge, and snobbery. Sorry to my music expert friends and listeners but like. It's just. Music is the coolest medium, right? It's the most ineffable. It's the it's the one that has the most swagger and glamour to it It's the least explicable and as a result, just the kind of expertise and snobbery that surrounds it can be really off putting. And so having people just be like, yeah. Piece of my heart by Janice Joplin. That's a great song. And have them and to see that the songs. That were great decades ago. Are. Not just great through the Lens of Nostalgia but are actually just glorious in in the abstraction of their of their musical rhythms and perfection is so fun like it's just really rare. For Music to be timeless and snobbery less and to me, that's what's so charming about these videos and I know so many people who have not just watched the Phil Collins One. But like stayed up all night Fon fon deep rabbit hole, I know someone who bought like the Merch that they're now selling the twins like it's just feels very sweet at a moment when lots of things don't. Would he say Dana Sweet? Oh. So overwhelmingly sweet I mean I think what I like the most about these guys is how much they want to like every song here I haven't gone down at deep enough rabbit hole yet to find a song that they're really negative about I mean there's some that take a while you know they're waiting for the beat to drop as they do on the Phil Collins Song obviously until more than halfway through the song but that ends up being what they admire about the song right? They're both saying I can't believe it. I never heard a beat dropped. So late in his song in, they're kind of wowed by it my favorite I think I've heard listen to. His Dolly Parton singing Joe Lean, which is just absolutely adorable. They love the song of course Joe Lean is a song that grabs you from the very beginning it begins with its chorus. You don't have to wait at all the hook to drop in, but I loved that they relate as well to the lyrical content right? Even though it's it's this love triangle and it's a song sung by women to another woman in something that you would necessarily think that to twenty one year old twin boys would relate to You know they're they're not only grooving along with Joe Lean, but they're really feeling the love triangle drama of the song and it's incredibly sweet and sincere. Now. I can easily understand how you. Don't know what he means to be. A. Story behind. With a passion days on. Dollar you got you got. got a little storytelling songs to. I chilly I completely agree with you there's something about introducing a place a personal song a movie to a friend right to who doesn't know it, and then you get to see it for the first time through their eyes and there's nothing. Has Ever captured that experience in media like these videos and that that freshening power to it is is just so great. It's so guileless I have to believe they haven't heard these songs before I I need to go to take that leap of faith. I will say also that took. So I watched about four or five of these. My favorites were dream on, and of course, the tonight one, which is just amazing. The crazy thing about both of the songs completely they defied the basic expected structure of a pop rock song which I hadn't fully noticed before. So dream on the arrowsmith anthem keeps up the four play. Of the song seemingly interminably it like it like withholds the orgasmic climax. So all center you mean, we're the FALSETTO. Even to a degree the it doesn't really do a verse, chorus verse, Chorus. It's I think it does at least two or three, versus before you get a chorus and then he's he's down octave on the chorus and it's like Nope, we're not there yet people you know it's just Anyway I will nine NOCCO work very blue here, but he just takes you to the edge you know. Over and over again and you think, oh, that's got to be the climax accident. There's more and there's more and more. It's just insanely well done. Sheer dramatics of it or are incredible and the fact that you know that's coming and the and the kid doesn't is just great right it just suddenly you realize how that's what made the song. So, fucking powerful, and then of course, the thing about in the air tonight is that it just drops the beat is the kid says, three minutes in. And both songs are brilliant withholding their own climactic powers, which is just cool like you hadn't thought about that and I think that that's the virtue of these videos that familiarity is the downside of popular acclaim infects. You know kind of everything right from hey, Jude Grenada you'd can't experience them anymore. They're they're covered over in our over familiarity and to find a way to wipe them clean again is just is remarkable and advisedly, I would say that rock and roll has been kind of covered over I. Think. In good conscience, it's it's it's become something inherent with the degree of racial and generational guilt because first of all rock and roll was completely thieves by young white boys from black culture. And secondly generation Lee you know I it hip hop came along and to a degree pop and completely wiped it away became old persons music and Essense, and it's like dot an okay boomer vibe to a and there's just this kind of cool near inversion going on because. Mass white audiences figured out that hip hop had arrived when aerosmith. teamed up with run DMC and re recorded walk this way and you've got this just wonderful inversion where these two young black kids who clearly have grown up in a hip hop world for whom this music is. It's old person music. It's totally unfamiliar. It's paradigmatic Louis something completely other. It's just not there. It was never their oral wallpaper and for. Them to remind. Old. boomers like me of how fresh this music once was unexpected. This music once was is just a great turn of the screw. I think it's also possible that they are a much bigger hit with old people than they are with their contemporaries like I'm not sure that these videos would be as fun to watch. If you didn't know that that trump fell was coming right or if you didn't, you weren't familiar with the way, the dream on accelerates in that teasing. it's like the opposite of a horror movie right? Like you. You know something they don't know is about to happen but it's a good thing usually and. This sales of in the air tonight spiked. Massively they were up like a thousand percent or something after the week that that video went viral but streams did not, which is a suggestion that it's old people who are like I do like that song I gotta listen to that again. But I don't know how to use spotify to buy it on itunes because that's how I still listen to music whereas everyone. Young who doesn't buy music was like I'm not watching these videos they're not interesting to me if you didn't know the song, would it be fun to watch them belong to it like not very, and they're also they're videos have a lot of us. They do not have like a lot of us for youtube particularly and so I feel like this is a funny. Funny, bit of like youth. Culture aimed at boomers like they've found an old audience and they're going viral to an old audience or something, and it's it's a weird inversion of how things usually go. Oh, man it only hurts because it's true Dan. To keep us from ending on a down note that makes us all feel like we're hobbling on canes because we like these guys I just wanted to point to something else that I think makes this these video so powerful and why I think maybe the dream on aerosmith reaction is fun as it is wasn't one of my favorites, which is the only one of the twins was on it and Julia as a mom of twins maybe you can speak to this but something about the fact that they're brothers they're identical or if they're if they're. Fraternal twins they look a hell of a lot alike and we know that they have the same nature and nurture upbringing something about this petri dish. Idea of these two identical kids listening to music together and experiencing it together I think adds to the to the sweetness of this videos and kind of the purity of their responses because they have a communication with each other. That is so natural that they don't really need to say anything smart about the music just kind of watching them vibe together is a is in itself kind of joy inducing. Yeah I I. Think. Another way I would read that is like we are many of us who have the luck of being able to be stuck at home. Are. Just like in that family dynamic, right? Like we're kind of stuck in our own family dynamics, enjoying them and sick of them and whatever. But. You know the joys of finding a way to entertain yourself with the people you're locked inside with is, is another factor. So seeing seeing people who figured out how to do that institute sweet and beautiful way, and then to connect with people all over the world as a result is charming at moment to. All right. We'll. We'll post a link on our show page to these reaction videos. Let's you react to them. You hit us up on twitter sending an email. Okay. Move On. All right now is the moment in our podcast talk about our sponsored Dana. What are you have? 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But I think that we're GONNA take this feature monthly going forward because there are starting to be some interesting movies released digitally now, and we don't know winner if theaters will be open again. So four next time my quarantine comfort movie pick in honor of its just deceased great star and Narrator Linda Man's to do days of heaven the nineteen seventy-eight terrence malick masterpiece in my opinion this just a gorgeous lyrical movie that I watch whenever I need to be reminded the great art exists in the world and Great Artists Certainly, one thing that is of comfort in these times. So if you want to do your homework for next time watch terrence malick days of Heaven, it should be available in many streaming platforms I would watch it in the highest fidelity you can because it's kind of one that just aches to be seen on a big screen. Yeah Days of Heaven from Nineteen Seventy Eight. So I can't wait to talk about that with you guys. The great influenza, the Spanish flu which probably did not originate in Spain eventually killed between fifteen hundred million people. It's the deadliest event in raw numbers in human history, not as a proportion of the global population that still belongs mediaeval plague but in total numbers disease or otherwise that killed more human beings than anything that killed nearly seven, hundred, thousand Americans, it was so deadly relative to our population at the time that the countries life expectancy dropped by ten years it's estimated a given how obviously relevant to our predicament. We read the definitive popular account of the flu, the Great Influence at by John and bury it came out in two, thousand and four. The selling point of this right remarkable book as a nonfiction narrative is is really twofold as both the presentation of the sheer nearly unimaginable magnitude of the disease death making capacities I mean how it originated and spread around the globe but it's also about a turning point in the history of medicine both in the world in the United States. Steve Before we dig into the conversation too. We should note that Berry has become kind of prophet of our present pandemic. He's now written several op eds for the New York Times the latest of which arrived today and and professed that there would be no help for the economy until we get the virus under control and concluded unusually for the New York Times as far as I've been reading up Ed's with the words, God help us. was also interviewed by David Ramnik I. Mean I think he's just a Bill Gates talked about having reread his book having read it years ago and I think it having influenced his desire to spend his Microsoft Fortune on. fighting communicable diseases and about having reread at the beginning of the pandemic. So he's he's he's become a Goto, no Europe pandemic expert, and that's part of what drove us back to the original source. Let. Me just quickly quote from the introduction of the book for the influenza pandemic that erupted in nineteen eighteen was the first great collision between nature and modern science. It was the first great collision between a natural force and a society that included individuals who refused either submit to that force. Or to simply call upon divine intervention to save themselves from it individuals who instead were determined to confront this force directly with developing technology and with their minds. Let Me Juliette let me start with you I it. There's a way in which this book is quite encouraging because among the many shocking things about this book and in addition to the. Legality and globality of the disease is. How undeveloped? Medicine really wasn't nineteen eighteen and so the good news of course, we were century on and we know so much more and yet it's also dismaying how little we've as a society have learned. What did you make of reading this book? This book is at once incredibly horrifying and very comforting. I'm curious if you guys found it that way but. I just for the first couple of the pandemic. I didn't WanNa read any more about this and then I found myself desperate to understand what it had been like our almost with a similar. Instinct to the one that animated the original season of slow burn of like wait what was it like the last time the president was Completely. Untrustworthy. Am I I, mean the thing that struck me as how many echoes there are echoes in what kind of communication is made echoes in whether there are enough resources mobilized at the right time echoes in whether we trust medicine and where medicine is at another thing I really enjoyed about this book is is how good it is it explaining medicine I mean it's sort of offers a history of modern medicine just as much as easing medical knowledge to offer history of the pandemic. I'm curious what you guys took from it. Yeah I mean reading this book during this time, it was a particularly interesting project because it's such a it's just a big mountain of a book to grapple with like it is really trying to do a lot to give you an idea of how much it's trying to do. It's medical history begins with hippocrates in in Greek Times right which I know that at least one review of the book when it first came out sort of you know mocked this idea that go back to hippocrates and Galen and all of these early. Physicians and kind of the beginning of medical science in order to get to nine eighteen, it certainly gives you that feeling when you open the book like. Hit The dawn of time better way to go here. And it is five hundred pages long, but it's sort of bouncing between I would say two big stories, right one is the story of the scientists, the various teams of scientists, American scientists for the most part in this book who were trying to figure out isolate what caused the pandemic nobody knew it was a virus at at the time and in fact, it was not really definitively discovered to be virus until the pandemic was over in the thirties I think and sort of trying to figure out a public health measures to stop it etc, and then on the other hand, more of a cultural history of how the virus affected. You know for example, there's a whole chapter on Philadelphia which I remember people talking about this a lot at the beginning of of this our current pandemic. Bet. Philadelphia. Was a city that very poor job did almost nothing in the way of public health measures, and in fact had a big parade traditional members parade. You know with all the usual crowds and as a result had suffered the virus very badly So they'll be sort of. Concentrations on things like that military encampments how did the virus spread their? You know Philadelphia other towns I think that what John Kerry does really well, is tell those cultural stories I love the chapters about the encampments and about Philadelphia and about just sort of even testimonials from site some of them I think may have been very old people that he interviewed a WHO remembered the virus and others were contemporary accounts but those accounts of what it was like to be. In town that was you know essentially, just black CREPE hanging on every door I mean there's this incredible eerie details in those stories the stuff about the scientists I don't know about you guys. But somewhere around page two, hundred of this five, hundred page book I stopped paying attention to the proper names of new scientists because I just I couldn't take it anymore and it. Just seemed like every time. One of those new science chapters began there would be twenty names to learn and I don't think that Jon. Barry did the greatest job of deciding who belonged in there who did know about and why for example, almost all these scientists understandably nineteen eighteen were men right. But somewhere around page three, hundred, these two scientists appear who are women and. I was fascinated what's their history? How unusual is it for a woman to rise to that point in science? Where did they go to medical school? You know even things about their family lives like I would have loved to know more about these women scientists and he didn't seem to quite realize like that's where the interest lay and I think maybe at times. John Barry. Incredible historian and researcher lost site a little bit. How to guide the reader through this vast thicket of names. But that's somewhat of a quibble because once I did start ignoring the names and just thinking I'm GonNa, pay attention to the science and not who discovered what it what institute I still learned a lot from the sections. Yeah it's it's it's interesting. It's the book is. Set Up. So dramatically, but is inevitably anticlimactic and away because. The story. You're led to believe you might be reading is there was this horrible pandemic it's corp making powers were totally unprecedented. It coincided with World War that allowed it to you because what a world word did is it it aggregates tons of people all in one place at crowds them together you know in these cantonments in order to train them and on and on and on. So of course, you know take taking them from disparate places from all over the country MR dream scenario if you're. Virus. And then it scattered them across the globe and and and then there's this cadre of. Really, quite cutting edge and revolutionary in many ways, unprecedented scientists who are going to try to understand the disease. But what doesn't happen in the course of the book is you know the scientists through their patient Labor's figure out what the diseases come up with the vaccine and curate. In fact, what happens is the disease peters out at some form of it, either mutates and becomes weaker maybe some degree of herd immunity happens it essentially just disappears. The heroic medical interventions of these research is not what stops the virus, and so you have this inherently anti anticlimactic story away. Nonetheless, it's extremely vivid, I? Mean you get the sense of the sheer. Scale of the thing is unimaginable I mean just the omnipresence of corpses piled like Cordwood I mean multiple times. There's description of there's no place to put them. There is no proper way to bury them coffins of long since run out nick ship coffins of run out, we literally have to stack bodies like their court would To me the most revelatory thing about the by far is it's less back story of our pandemic than it is of FAO g of that kind of person and the Jacksonian forces in the country that undermine him and experts like him and that conflict was to meet quite central in the book that there's just a distrust. Historically in this country at distrust of credentialing and expertise and reluctance to empower the state. That's not true of Europe. So Europe was way ahead of us in medical science, well into the early Twen- well into the twentieth century and also how belatedly developed microbiology and Virology and epidemiology were they were they were in some respects relative to where they are now non existent when the nineteen eighteen pandemic hit you know the miasma theory of disease was still prevalent weirdly prevalent in the in the nineteen twenties And as you save viruses were so ill understood there was this. Predisposition to believe at very heavy bias to believe that it was that the flu had been caused by Bacillus by bacteria and and so they were just barking up all these wrong trees. and. There's just the sentence you know leaped out on me, which was as Berry Right Society would have to gather itself to meet this test or collapse. One of the things that society has to do is it has to give credence to experts when it's faced with something like this, and there's just some. Grain of the American character against which this impulse cuts that that that in order I to say someone like, Saudi or two Welsh or to any of the equivalents in this. Book about the Nineteen Twenty S. You have to give over some of your. Some kind of weird part of your own American self respect has to be handed over to. These adepts and the reluctant to do that and how many people killed down in how many people? It's probably GONNA kill now to Muse that's the echo that really stayed with. The thing that I really admired about this and I think that's part of its ambition and I agree it's not the like sprightly. Est.. Read ever but. The combination between tracking that failure to trust the experts while also tracking the uncertainty of those experts in psychology of those experts. I, really liked and and the fact that I think you know there's a lot of gearing up to offer the medical context to then help you understand really the story of three teams of scientists trying to find something useful. And their differing approaches and I, think. You know right now in labs around the globe, This work is humming along trying to find both vaccines and treatments for the coronavirus and for Cove Ed and just getting a sense that it is the science is not inevitable on it's not a machine it's abundant people with motivations and skills and. frailty that are our best defense and sort of thinking about what science, what the work of science is and what the psychology of that work is at a moment when it is the thing humming along, that could save us all to. Me was really interesting once I. Once I got oriented about who everybody was right and also I mean just you have to get your head around the fact that well into the Twentieth Century Quantum physics was more advanced than medical science right that this book really drives that home that the sheer number of of. Of Variables at work in biology is so massive compared to like the atom like the atom has its I mean I'm not saying atomic physics is easy in some sense, but there's a reason why you know. It leaped out ahead in the twentieth century of medical sites in in a way medical science was almost a an oxymoron up until this in influenza pandemic, which buried as a great job of demonstrating you know to the point where people could believe that in the history of mankind medicine had net net done more harm than good. I mean there were these quotes from respectable medical experts saying if. We just didn't treat any were. So we're bloodletting people were killing people by blood letting him that's the state of medicine in nineteen, ten or nineteen ten that if we just left them alone, the outcomes would probably be better, and so he's really telling this huge story of a huge paradigm shift by which we get the infrastructure, which is now fighting this pandemic, and that's that's that's kind of remarkable story. If there's one fact that will stick with me from this book and which I think has incredible relevance to the to everything we're living through. Now it's that the name Spanish flu was attached to the disease because Spain was the only country that the published truthful information about it. Right I mean if you had asked me before the reading this, why was this the flu called the Spanish flu. I might have said either Oh, because it rejected in Spain or because there was a racist assumption Alah China flu that it that originated in. Spain. But the actual reason is that Spain almost alone among major western countries at the time did not have any. Restrictions on its press, and so they actually publish the truth about this horrible plague that was sweeping through their country and as a result got the reputation as the place that the the. Pandemic originated. So that's just got me thinking about misinformation and disinformation and how powerful role that's playing in America's response right now because I mean as much as Berry touches in this book upon. The tendency of the press to euthanize. Right he talks a lot about how they American press would downplay what was going on and say, Oh, just stay healthy and clean and chew your food many times and you know sort of these old fashioned nineteenth century ideas about health and you'll be fine but there wasn't active disinformation about hoaxes and you injecting bleach and so forth being spread by the President I mean it's almost surprising how smaller role the federal government plays in the disinformation that we read about in this book. So if you factor that into the already cut of deadly circumstances that he paints in this book, you just it becomes almost imagine unimaginable how much worse it could become. Okay. Well, the book is called the Great Influence of the story of the deadliest pandemic and history. by John M Berry check it out scrape book and talk to us about it on email. All right. Moving on. Our right. Now is the moment in our podcast. We talk about other sponsor Dana What are you have? 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This was nearing the tail end of a golden age of mortally serious Hollywood movies that were also great. Commercial successes the movie Won Four Academy Awards including Oscars Patch off ski who wrote the script and for Faye Dunaway and Peter Finch for acting tells the story of Howard beale network news anchor who has a mental or emotional breakdown on air but before he can be. Fired and sent out to pasture his crackup begins to generate ratings, big ratings, and so the network cynically keeps him on air where he becomes a kind of. Iraqi. Midwife to a widely felt public alienation in the movies most iconic moment Peter Finch as bill urges his viewers to walk to their windows, throw them open and shout I mad as hell and I'm not GonNa take this anymore which on mass they do. Aaron Sorkin was obviously hugely influenced by this film he of West Wing and social network fame once said quote not predictor of the future not even war well has ever been as right as Tchaikovsky was when he wrote Network, the movie was written by Tuskegee was directed by Sidney Lumet. It also stars Robert Duvall and William Holden. Let's listen to a clip. Did you see the overnights on the network news. It has an eight in New York a nine in La and a twenty-seven share and both cities. Last night Howard a went on the air and yelled bullshit for two minutes and I can tell you right now the tonight show will get thirty share at least. I think we've lucked into something Oh for God's Sakes Diana using just we put that lunatic back on the yelling bullshit. Yes I think we should put back on the air tonight and keep him on. Did you see the news this morning? Did you see the Times? Press coverage on this, you couldn't buy her a million dollars frank. That dumb show jumped five rating points in one night tonight show gotta be at least fifteen. We're just increase our audience by twenty or thirty million people in one night. You're not going to get something like dumped on your lap for the rest of your days and you can't just piss it away. Howard beale one of their last night and said what every American feels that he's tired of all the bullshit he's articulating the popular rage. I want that show Frank. I can turn the show into the biggest match on television. What do you? Short shorts. Not you depart I see Howard Beale as a Latter Day prophet a magnificent messianic figure inveighing against the packers he's of our time strip savonarola Monday through Friday that tell you frankly just go through the roof and I'm talking about the six dollar cost thousand show I'm talking about one hundred hundred thirty thousand dollar minister. You want to figure out the revenues of a strip show that sells for hundred thousand bucks a minute one show like this whole network right on the whole now frank. Being handed plate. Let's not blow it. So it Julia this movie, your was your pick remarkable film. It's an artifact of a really astonishing moment in both American movies in American history that country in the mid seventies had zero self-confidence had completely lost its identity and its way. But our movies were brimming with confidence with creative and moral and social confidence This film turned forty a few years ago. A lot of people watched it and wrote about it the consensus was it was clunky. Perhaps, very clunky as a polemic, but somehow perfectly grimly pression. How did how did it come out in the mix when you re watched it? I mean I saw one essay called it clunky and I think that author dip shit. I don't think it's clunky it all who said thank you. I don't think it's GonNa. Be This. I mean, it is strident and it is satire whose power lies in the extremity of its vision and the degree to which it pushes its assumptions as evidenced by the film's. Conclusion in which. You know spoiler warning if you haven't yet seen network may watch it before you hear me say this but in which the the craven network executives who've been talking about all the things they'll do for ratings very calmly and with. An unflapped manner decide they have to kill Howard Beale in order to save the network and do So, it's not. Subtle. But. It's fantastic. It's sensational. There's not like a single scene in this movie that isn't hell areas pertinent and great looking. Actually I mean it's it's. It's also just like a beautifully costumed and designed film and I I mean there's definitely some history on accent but I I maybe I just can't see past them I don't know Dana you're the you're the film critic Am I am I wrong? I mean I'm I'm fascinated by your devotion to this movie I absolutely loved receiving it and it. The first hour is brilliant but I understand the clunky criticism I feel like about this movie a little bit like maybe about a movie like blade runner or something where I feel like I absolutely understand I consider the and wouldn't want to change anything about it but I also see all of its flaws and think that there are moments when it kind of loses it and falls apart like the first hour of this movie is so sharp in it satire and so specific. And, its characterization that when the second half kicks in and things start to happen like as you noted, the conspiracy on the networks part to kill Peter finch character Howard, Beale the Mad Prophet of the Airways or the the affair that happens between the William Holden character and Faye dunaway character beautifully acted, but it feels contrived like those who are being put together so that two different ideologies can clash and in particular some of the scenes where they argue or their their breakup scene near the end and against I, guess it's a spoiler but you know it's an old movie. Those scenes feel to me like Patti Trotsky writing just flat just flatly writing down a bunch of ideas and banging them against each other like Gi Joe Dolls. You know. That isn't necessarily in the context of its time, right in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six as directed by Sidney Lumet who was at the time you know the guy who just may dog day afternoon and you know who was in Serpico and who was very much the guy who tore things from the the headlines, turn them into movies. It's kind of great to see those ideas in conflict and and I'm willing to forgive all those things in the context of the movie. But I think some of its dramatic force disappears in that second half when it becomes such A. Move a conflict of ideas. Yeah. That's exactly my my diagnosis the movie too I. I hadn't seen in thirty years and I. I loved loved three watching an I'm so grateful to reappoint myself with it. It's how I remember movies these movies I grew up with what struck me though is how little movie is about Bill I didn't remember that about the movie and how much it's about Faye dunaway she's really the locus of the movies fascination and and in a way it's moral rage as as Holden says, I holden the the William Holden characters a you know greatest generation. Holdover who pioneered TV when it was both serious in its news division and its entertainment division, and he's both fascinated and horrified by dunaway who's of completely new generation and as he says of her, she's the television generation. She learned life from Bugs Bunny, and in addition to fucking hurry endlessly moralizes her her shallowness in ways that I began to find extremely uncomfortable Julia. I would be surprised if this didn't tripwire your feminism a little bit he describes her as a psychopath. Woman of psychopathic ambition and lack of feeling and it's also inexcusable that she bears the burden of his philandering. He constantly guilt her about his cheating on his wife and he's trying to turn his failings into a generational story that indicts her and not him and she's turned into the Avatar of this new ethic of unreality. The television supposedly brings with it in ways the gender dynamic heightens in ways that verge on misogyny a little. Am I totally wrong. I have I for various reasons have watched this movie like four times in the last five years and every time I watch it I see something new it in it and I think you know part of I, like it so much as it's the M- a movie about the ascendancy of a new medium and the moral questions that surround it right which is to me has echoes of the conversation that we've been having for the last two decades about the rise of the Internet as a force for communicating information, right and entertainment Part of what I love about the movie and what makes it seem? Not Like A. Guy. Who Thinks TV sucks pack during me in an unpleasant fashion which I think the bad version of this movie could potentially be centers on Dunaway's performance as Diana Christians and and the way it's written she's smart. She's compelling. She's the devil she's Just The most beguiling and usually most persuasive person in the picture and that's what's so terrifying and I think to me the film has some. Self awareness that the Max Schumacher character is kind of. Self. Justifying. You know. Outmoded out out outmaneuvered corporate in the corporate sense guy, right like in the first twenty minutes of the movie we hear him selling telling the same crusty anecdote two times right? We know. We know he's he's on the on the downward slope. And she is just in-command every time she's in a room for most of the movie and including very hilarious. I mean I guess I just see their romance as as a hilarious rather than sincere like she's never not talking about ratings whether they're making out or having a romantic dinner like it's supposed to be funny I think. Over to twenty two and a half Mil. Packages. Five James Bond movies. Dealer for three, four, five. But. Part of what I like about. Her performance and why I think it doesn't. Quite trigger my feminist trip wires is that. My particular breed of feminism is the breed that suggests that women deserve equal opportunity to do stuff, and some of them will be great and some of them will be monsters and you know there's a there's a Brita feminism which I really detest, which is like put the women in charge women are better with their communitarian instincts in their maternal blah blah, and they're digits like no women also suck many women also suck like everybody has an equal opportunity to be a horrifying immoral monster. I don't feel that this movie suggests that dunaway's Craven Nisa ruthlessness is attached to her gender. It feels to me like it's very specifically about her personality and yet we happen to see her personality in the form of this gender and. I I don't know I feel very deeply that although she's the monster this is not a sexist movie and maybe that's wrong. But I think that's part of why like it so much and it's just enjoyable to watch her be. A terrifying presence I mean we can listen to a clip of her. Dressing. Down her employees, which is a scene that I love and she's not. Wrong in it. Don't WanNa play Butch boss people. But when I took over this department, it had the worst programming record in television history. This network has one show in the top twenty. This network is an industry joke. And we better start putting together one winner for Nick September I. Want a show developed. Based on the activities of terrorist group Joseph Stalin and his Merry Band of Bolsheviks I want ideas new people, that is what you paid for. By and by the way the next time I send it audience research report around you better read our. fucking. Clear. I mean I just have to as you as you're trying to picture those scenes I just have to also note that her wardrobe Julia is incredible I kept thinking of you throughout and how great you look and all of her various bias cut camel. Gowns and everything that she wears great muddy seventies colors and it just sets her sets her apart is this incredible fashion icon she sort of she sort of harks back in fact to somebody from maybe Anwar movie of the nineteen forties. There's no wardrobe in the history of cinema that I covet more than. You have now that. I feel like I should note that the costume designer is named The v Aldridge and she just picks the greatest greatest. For for Faye Dunaway I mean since we're talking about sexism though I, just I have to slip in the the one real incidents of race in this movie, which I think is way more. Than the ways dunaway is shown, which is this sort of black radical character who supposed to be something like maybe she's supposed to be something like an Angela Davis but a very media savvy Angela Davis, who Faye Dunaway essentially destroys by offering her a network show that when she described in that last clip, that sort of you know terrorist of the week and this woman goes from. Being a committed revolutionary to being just ratings hounds exactly like Faye dunaway and there's just a lot of very broad and fairly racist comedy in the scenes where dunaway and other executives meet with her and her group of radicals you know to to plan a show together. Yeah. The movie does not the I would contest the gender critique of the movie, but but the there's those are definitely. Racist and I. Don't I'm not sure I agree that that Faye dunaway corrupts the laureen Hobbs character in their first meeting, Laureen? Hobbes's just as much in command I. Think as as Dan Christianson is the meeting of to knowing savvy female leaders that that makes their partnership such. Kind of interesting premise for the show but the but subsequent scenes about negotiating the terms of their deal are don't play well and twenty twenty for sure. Yeah I. Guess It's more that they bring out the worst in each other I mean I'm actually parodying will William Holden character when I say that she's the one who who destroys Laureen Hobbs. So you know maybe I'm editorializing, but there is I guess a sense that both of them are these. There could be a reading that it's sexist I. Guess they're both these extremely ambitious women who embiid leads them to do highly unethical things, but they're not the only people in the movie doing such things. I just want to. Say what I admire most about the movie other than maybe the performances is is what what happens in the aftermath of this movie to make it. So precious is the election of Reagan, which is a president who knew how to manipulate all of these forces to exactly the kinds of ends that this movie is warning us about and against and then from Reagan flows. A culture that disappears into the TV up through Fox News and reality television I mean it's it. It is. It's. So aware of what the medium is going to become in the hands of certain politicians and certain. Sub Demagogic cynics like Roger Ailes who would you know essentially turn news and entertainment into spectacle you know obviously from the? Julia from the vantage point of two thousand and twenty like the John and Berry Book it's just horrifyingly. And, on point. Right and when Reagan became. President nobody could imagine anything. Well, not not I don't speak universally for Americans of nineteen eighty but the notion that this entertainer was gonna lead the free world what a debasement and compared to. Where we are with the current president, he seems positively statesmanlike in an obviously part of the job had for eight years but it's really hard to watch this movie in this era and not think about trump and not think about Fox News right and not think about the the dangers of you know giving the audience only what it wants in an endless sea back loop. Yet interestingly, this movie doesn't show that much of how Howard, beale propaganda effects, the outside world we see people sticking their head out the window in the famous I'm mad as hell I'm not gonNA, take it anymore seen We see the the members of this studio audience going crazy for you know all the bells and whistles that the that the nightly news. Takes on, but we don't really see the larger societal effect of of Howard beales rhetoric more see how it affects the network itself and the machinations inside the news room is almost like what we're living right now would be another network in other version of of the movie where you see what happens to the people who stick their heads outside the window later on. All right. We'll move network I, watched it on Amazon streaming. It's easy to find. It's. Pretty remarkable to watch in two, thousand twenty maybe check it out. Okay. Moving on. All right now is the moment on our podcast. We talk about our other other sponsor day not what do you have Stephen? This podcast is also supported by the Financial Times which has been exploring the changing relationship between business and society. 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And along with it, I, just sort of rattled off. Oh, it's so easy to make lime cordial. You just do this and then I proceeded to say something that was wrong. And My friend Michael CICCONI, who is the bartender who taught me the recipe and had me on his little instagram drink making show to make the drink. Very Nice Tech saying Oh thank you so much for talking about my show and the drink and you said the wrong recipes. So I'm not gonNa say it again because I get it wrong again but I am going to say that we will link on our show page to the lime cordial recipe and Essentially I got the idea right which is two to one. But all you do is you down the lime juice until it's half the size that it was and I will send instructions to do that to our producer. So we can post it to our show page in the hopes that people will end their summer making this lime tree Bauer, my prison and reading the Coleridge poem that goes along with it. Already, Julia would he have? I finally had time this summer to dig into A. Painting for Years Rodham by Curtis it and Feld Gradison felt has been one of my favorite novelists. Since she wrote prep, which was her smash debut and someone who attended a New England prep school though not as boarding students felt that the acuity of its vision and it's insight about. Tents social dynamics was. Just ravishingly good since then and felt his. Adopted the slightly interesting tack in her novels which tend to have some gimmick around them. One was written from the perspective of a Laura Bush type character called. American wife one was sort of a retelling of pride and prejudice. Not necessarily book that needs retelling although that was an enjoyable read and now she's written a book called Rodham. which imagines the life of Hillary, Rodham Clinton if she had not married Bill Clinton. So she remains Hillary Rodham she goes on to have an academic and political career. She Rian counters Bill Clinton not as her husband in various fascinating weighs. Two thirds of the way through it. It's such a good read if you're looking to sort of escape the world but not fully escape the world and drop into an alternate reality and or if you've ever loved Curtis sit and Feld book definitely pick up Rodham I. Think it's one of her best in a while and it's it's is very interesting to read. As the Democratic convention unfolds and the. Campaign begins to heat up even further. Awesome. Okay my endorsement. This week is an essay in the New York review of books on their daily Internet feet. It's called Dickens Brooklyn by J newborn. I'm probably mispronouncing his name but what puzzling to it it's Just, amazing. Essay. kind of about how growing up in a tiny apartment many decades ago in Brooklyn there. Well, let me read a little bit from a he said. Throughout my childhood, the complete works of Charles Dickens resided behind a glass enclosed side panel of Mahogany break front in the living room of our seven hundred and Thirty Square Foot Brooklyn apartment. He goes on to say before I entered kindergarten, and before my only sibling Robert was born my mother sat me down in our living room one afternoon for what she said was going to be a special occasion. She unlocked aside panel of the break front took downgrade expectations and taught me how to open it in a way that would not break. It's binding or crack at spine. Asked me to read the books opening paragraph allowed to her which I did surprised to discover that the main character a quote unquote great novel had a name a simple as pip. And told the reader sonal sentence I carried with me ever since so I called myself pip and came to be called PIP. After that. Just, the two of us in a moment more peaceful than most I would ever experience with her and like a movie star, my mother adored being the center of attention a place she commanded wherever she went by her exceptional beauty and flair for the dramatic. She read an acted out several pages of the novel. This is this short essays remarkable for being. An excruciating retelling of what it's like to have a beautiful charismatic commanding and mentally ill parent who both both makes destroys you and how they both bonded over Dickens. But he also escaped into Dickens and then his own fiction writing it's just one of the best. Short Memoir Ash. Pieces about the making and unmaking of a self that I've read in a long time it's just beautiful beautifully done. I highly highly highly recommended. So just a once again, it's called Dickens in Brooklyn. It's on the New York review of books daily and it's by a novelist named Jay Newborn Dana thank you so much. Thank you steve thanks, Julia ANC you. 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"It amy i don't know about you but when i watch my favorite tv show or movie i need to have a bag of my favorite treats and and i gotta tell ya mother. Treats are always eminem's ago all around the board but i have to say. I'm really right now in love with with this new eminem's hazelnut spread chocolate candy. It's so delicious it's savory. It's smooth silky cookie. I love it n- reminds me of the first time i tasted chocolate hazelnut spread and i was like what is this taste why has europe been keeping it away from me for so long but now we have it here are now evident eminem's sized and they're just a little bite of indulgence. That's all its own. It makes every film just a little bit sweeter sweeter. I mean honestly. I'm calling on every location that i've visit to carry. M._l._m.'s hazelnut hazelnut spread. John mccain is i'm telling you right now. I will not go anywhere unless you show me that. You are repin that hazelnut spread chocolate candies movie theaters. It should be required by law to have them in the candy cases. I'm gonna say it. I'm going hazelnut. Amy i'm going pure as nutty so tell you join being me in tasting some delicious indulgence with m. and m.'s here's on its spread chocolate candies today. The year is nine hundred seventy six six and a crusty <unk> benign tv newsman crosses paths with a beautiful girl tv producer who wants to make news entertainment the movie network <music> welcome to on schooled. I am paul scheer nicholson and this is the podcast where we watch film from the af is top one hundred films of all time list. I do find out if they are really as good as people say. Do they hold up and how have they influenced filmmakers of today. This will be talking about network last week talking about the philadelphia history a movie that surprisingly had some beatty that you didn't even know about now you do. I would actually start with a bit of a mea culpa because i was ragging hard it on the cary grant character for not having an arc for showing up and being like love me you will have to change katherine hepburn and many people pointed out that i was not giving full credit to the absence sense of change that cary grant's character had changed before he ever showed up that he had given up drinking as part of his apology at a year. We don't ever really see him drinking before flashback flashback when he stomps out i mean maybe like the arc happens outside of the film but then he at least had changed for love of and i was like only she has to change i mean so they did a little bit of work so i guess when he is talking about reading books to keep them sober. He is kind of reflecting back on the changes. We meet him a little bit breaking like a golf club. Shade broken whisky bottle. I wouldn't be so dumb all right. Well you know to this point josh ferguson he says i agree. Grant isn't as most charming but maybe that was a choice. You know he's not trying to win hepburn back. He's trying to make her stumble and he's a steward to do it to charming and maybe she just runs back to him without growing that i kind of disagree with because i think he is protecting her. I don't think he's trying to win her back. Per se i think in the middle of maize knocking down all the walls being like she got a comeback over here eventually well. I also kinda see the idea of him trying trying to be charming to show like no. This is why am would. I'm not drinking. Maybe we is when he's not drinking is slightly less charming carey grant and maybe when he's drinking. He's the charming tiger that we know and love on that. Note feeling good lewis at grip granted. You know paul shearson you enjoy drunk acting jimmy stewart so much in the philadelphia story as do i good have you seen his masterful turn in the movie harvey where he plays a drunk whose best friend is a six foot invisible rabbit. I have not seen that film. I know that jim parsons did a version of it on broadway <hes> uh-huh but no i've never seen i have to see the movie. It's pretty fun. It's when i was a kid. The movie i thought it was is very different than the movie that it is. I would hear this movie about like the due to the invisible zabol rabbit friend when i was seven and it's not that i mean i have to do a double feature of harvey and marty just the first name dudes who have a pretty depressing lifeline blend do a triple feature with drop dead fred if you're going to throw in and you don't get involved in this conversation team june mm-hmm. Our final comment is from an amiable and say freckle far but i'll let you read the comment. It's like there's a little bit of third grade. I can't see your twitter. Handle canelo allowed mario. I'm sorry but he the maltese falcon the inaugural for that is not teaser fallen conman which was like maybe it is sounds about right to me. I don't know he he said it's t's <unk> but that is a good anagram for soft lethal menace to which our producer josh the most brilliant hardworking men in the business has found some other anagrams for the maltese falcon. He said it can also be lactate. Flesh omen escalate elf month tamales tech felon and fatal needle cement holes all right so this a little bit of <hes> going back into the grab bag of the maltese falcon. I would say all of those movies. I'm in i mean. I think i've i've seen at least two of them for. How did this get made any. We have a special announcement that coming up september twenty six. We were doing another live show at the alamo draft house. The theme mm-hmm is t._v._d. As we are still deciding on it but make sure you head on over to the alamo draft house a website. Wait just wait there. I don't even know if sarin sale just yet but we will be there september twenty six market calendar and make sure you wear your unspoiled merged. Get a public dot com. Slash stores sash unschooled. We got to see some new shirts out. There will make new shirts if these shirts continued cell which is always a good thing and pod swag. We have that amazing on posters. You can follow along with us if you want to. Bring out to a live live. Show immunized are more than happy to sign it and take all the credit for scott sees work on that amazing poster really do jimmy stewart beatty shirt. We got some. We got we gets them. Oh no we'd be blaspheming jimmy stewart. I think we gotta figure out a right way to do it because we need to get that into. The mix x-rayed away. We're gonna. I'm gonna say by the time you hear this. Maybe it will be up in the store. Descendants who are gonna get matter. No no no. It's a compliment. It's a compliment who doesn't want be you. I know this movie. We're talking about today. Network has a classic line. I would say one of the most classic lines probably in the top five most memorable lines in cinema on that edits. Hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore and we had a goofy call to action last week which was call in with your most ridiculous reading reading of that line so that's all that we kinda gave. You just read it in a way. That's a little bit more unexpected and boy you really <hes> you. Can you be surprised us so take a listen to a little montage an audio montage of ahmed as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore. Hello paul paul amy. I'm calling to let you know that i'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore. I am going to tickets anymore. The book i frankly i'm mad as hell and i'm not going to take it anymore. I'm a man of helen. I'm not gonna take this anymore. That's the chicago away <hes> offer p._c. I'm mad as heck and i'm not gonna take it anymore. Are mad as hell so i'm not gonna take it anymore. All she has no more sees. Bush made him look look. Hell and i just can't take it anymore. Don't you know hey y'all. I am mad has held and i'm not gonna take anymore power great school. Oh no not going through. Oh aw i'm slightly perturbed and probably just going to sit here and take it. What do you think amy. I think that the world is full of great actors. Okay all right speaking of great acting. Let's talk about our feature presentation. In the one thousand nine hundred ninety six sweden's most profitable export is the pop group abba ronald. Wayne is a co-investor apple and he sells his ten percent share of the company for eight hundred dollars a holding that would now cost thirty five billion dollars today. An american panel warns that c._f._c.'s and aerosol cans can damage the ozone ozone layer and yet the eighties still happened. Margaret hamilton reprises her role as the wicked witch in an episode of sesame street. It was such a terrifying episode that it's never been and reappeared movie. Theaters are playing rocky taxi driver carry bad news bears and today's film network. It comes in at number sixty four in the two thousand seven a._f._i. The top one hundred list up two points from one thousand nine hundred ninety seven's list amy who's in it. What's it about network. This is the story about put tv channel part of a giant t._v. Network that realizes they can make a ton of money if one one of their old guys who has a crack on air stays on air pitches himself as the the mad prophet of the airwaves they make a mint on this man going insane in the public eye thus reshaping how we think of news from this point on into the absolute current present when everybody is a howard beale the people that we have here starring in this movie that was directed of course by sidney lumet written by petty tchaikovsky. We have faded away as a an christianson the genius genius of the idea you've got william who we know from sunset boulevard thank max shoemaker the principled boss you have peter finch as howard beale the man who goes insane and and you have robert duvall not that long after we saw robert duvall make his debut and tequila mockingbird it's like twelve years later and he looks like fifty years older and you've got baby who we just sa in nashville as little bad husband playing arthur jensen. Who was the famous speech the second famous speech this movie with a lot of famous speeches. I have to say that yeah. I read a quote from him while doing some research and he said let this be assigned to all actors never turned down a part. I only worked one day on the movie network and i got an oscar oscar nomination for it and it just goes to show you that you you know. No part is too small. He makes the most out of that <hes> like like two or three scenes that he's in. It is such an amazing performance. I literally was riveted to the screen when he was up there out howard feeling howard beale meal in that scene exactly true. I think another person who would agree with ned babies. Maximum is beatrice straight. She plays way holden's wife his wife who betrays and she's on screen. I think four minutes total and she also wanted to oscar nomination sexually won the award and supporting actor. She holds the <hes> most interesting distinction of being the shortest onscreen appearance for winning an academy award. I think she's only on screen for about five minutes and forty seconds and she wanted academy award award for that amount of screens and it's really wild because she beat up. I mean she major people. She'd been out jodie foster for taxi driver this year. She beat out one of my personal favorite performances images of all time piper laurie and kerry how good cheese in this movie she beats up those iconic roles. This film and i'm kind of still digesting. It is is really interesting to me. Live performances are phenomenal. I mean even <hes> howard beale. Who is the centerpiece of the whole thing. He wins best lead actor. He his unfortunately passes away before he can accept that award. It's just powerhouse acting really specific relationships. I think beautiful camerawork. It makes a statement that i think is so true to now but there's something about this movie that had like this push poll with where i loved elements of it but i don't know if i loved this movie like all like almost loved all the parts of the movie without loving the full film if that makes sense well. Let's let's figure that out like is is part of your glitch with this movie just that we live in a post network network world where everything there satirizing true and therefore. It's hard to find it funny or amusing. It's just anger inspiring. Will it was a satire then. It's not really really a satire now yeah like for people who found faye dunaway to be so harsh. She doesn't seem harsh to me like she seems james of the ilk of these types of producers and what we understand in the world of of making television anywhere from the bachelor to what goes on like with rupert murdoch controlling you know fox news. It didn't blow my mind so industries. I've heard about the emotional manipulation on the bachelor. She's probably early better. It'd be like okay. I'll go with her but that didn't yup. I enjoyed it. I thought it had it is fun and funny in the the voice. It's over is really engaging. I think wasn't as riveting as i expected to be. I think it starts off so strong. I think it ends really strong strong and i think in the middle it kind of sags. A dialogue is great though and this is. I'm having a hard time pinpointing it because i really i love the relationship between faye dunaway in a way and max. I think that's fantastic. I i love watching the performance of peter finch. I think he just is so oh synthetic and you're watching this really subtle performance of someone you know essentially losing their mind. I and i can't quite figure out. Do you love this movie fully or is it. It's something that you are like. Oh i'm in yeah i mean i guess i'm going to look at my history with this movie it when you start setting film media in college this is one of the movies is that they bring out really early on. They're like oh. You're interested in film. You're interested in the way we frame things. They're interested in storytelling and corruption and cameras and what a producer does you watch this movie in a couple of reasons a. because it really isn't introduction to like framing into the different roles people have and into the ideas of the stories we think americans wanna hear but but also because sidney lumet road is amazing book making movies and which is the mazel love that book i think the best gateway book if you want to really understand all the different parts parts and other things that you just you decide on when director and he writes about it really honestly and he talks about his hits and misses but not even from the perspective of hits. Mrs just choices no. It's it's one of those fantastic books. That doesn't try to elevate the art pharma talks to you not above you and it makes me feel really invested. I read it freshman year in college but yet did not not see this movie. This is the first time i've seen this yeah so i think because of this because he is associated in my head. This movie in particular is associated with you are just know learning to think <hes> mhm that i have gone through some new waves with where you you do really love it you kind of seize onto it because it feels like somebody reveals the man behind the cut yeah and then you go up a little bit and yeah like oh. It's a little embarrassing. The way you look at the stuff you thought was really cool right but then the older i get a circle background and like you know it's great and i love this movie. We're living in a state of anger right like how are being fed information what takes off in our new cycle. What gets washed away like we are in a time and were news is almost more important than it's ever been and what becomes news what's goes away. What stays around for months this series about the news who's making the news and why yeah i mean this. This is interview with eight million old white guys all at the age right. There's like five people that if you're not paying attention you get them all confused crazy yeah. I think there is something i mean that's true true. There are scenes in this movie where they pant across all the newscasters on the other channels and they're all old white guys and there is definitely an old white guy in this movie and i think it's actually critiquing it. I think it's aware there's an old white guy thing happening in this movie because you have a couple of scenes that these big note network up fronts in the first one before diana cushion is famous at the network you look across and it's a whole days of old white guys and then when she gets more of an important role than at work. There's another meeting another giant days and you see that not only is she up there. There's a few more women. There's a person person of color that the network is evolving but there is this old white guy thing and their scenes where there's a bunch of old white guys well look at a table knocking about ratings and things and it is deliberately banal. I think also the idea of putting faye dunaway in an i this performance i think she is on may i love love. Love this character and maybe again. I'm rooting for the bad guy but i just i think that she's amazing but she's representing a new voice like she is the new face in this thing and if an old white guy had her idea i think it would be received better than coming from from her so it is dealing with sexism dealing with issues that are misogyny that are important that we're talking about now i think i guess i've wrestled this all the time so forgive me if i'm saying this wrong but she's written in the way that i think you would write. Maybe a typical man of this time like but you wouldn't critique him as hard but yet she is critiqued like why can't you commit to the relationship you know when her boyfriend basically orgasms and she said over and done with i love it. I love it so much but but she's got a pay. She's got a pay. She's got an answer for where you know a lot of times. We watch these movies especially in the seventies. These men don't have to answer for their behavior and i and i love that idea of like this movie must have been at the forefront of that in a way that's true. I mean they really do a thing here. In this movie of tying diana the worker to diana china the bad girlfriend in her saying she's a bad girlfriend in her her description of who she's his girlfriend and that is that she's basically like a man i come fast and then i want you out in my bed like i'm a man that's the way i am but they keep tying together in ways that i think are really funny right. There's that montage where she starts sav relationship with max schumacher the monster on this date and it's so funny because if you're watching the scene with the sound off it's beautiful. They're working on a beach romantic dinner. They're laughing. They're running from faraway. Both the sound on all she's doing talking about the show and he doesn't say a word and then they get in bed and then this is what happens panties nuts economical liberation surrey ten thousand bucks a week in order to turn authentic film footage of the revolutionary activities bat and constitutes inducement to commit a crime and walter walter says we'll all wind up in federal government suing. The federal government was supreme court with one new york times washington most tactile. That's for months. We'll have more preston watergate. I need six weeks federal aviation and the maoists so you can start getting on times aw bugging me knows my daytime program. It shows i mean that scene is amazing that you don't see the visuals visuals there but they are having sex they transitioned to having sex and then that's a post-coital there as well. I love love her performance in this movie. It's true and i really do think that he that isky and sitting limit have built in this whole system of watching a woman struggled to be a bus because you have these early early scenes where before she really even becomes comes a major character your they kind of casually to her the little girl from programming or nyanda. Can she sit in. She's not really considered a major player at the network yet. The very first words that she says is actually she says the name of ecumenical liberation army the thing that she's really going to drive towards this idea. I was going to bring towards but even after that. She has an early scene with her underlings things. Nobody's paying attention to her. Nobody's reading her memo's. Nobody's making eye contact with her. You see sidney lumet catches them all fiddling with their blouses brushing their shoulders not respecting how intelligent she is a boss and she calls them out on that and i love this. She calls them out on it. That's <hes> butch boss. Don't wanna play butch losses but when i took over this department it had the worst programming record in television history this network one show in the top twenty. This network is an industry joke doc and we better start putting together one winner for nick september. I want a show developed based on the identities of terrorist group joseph stalin and his merry band bolsheviks. I want ideas from you. People that is what you paid for by the way next time i send it audience research report around you know it read it was that i mean and that kind of just balls to the wall character. It reminds me of off. There's elements of sorkin in this. I feel like you see you feel this energy off of her and whenever she's onscreen i'm totally committed something interesting because i think tchaikovsky and lumet made it very clear to her that she should play the character. Cold blooded and solis sidney lumet told her i know the first thing you're gonna ask me as where's her vulnerability. Don't ask it. She has none if you try to sneak it in. I'll get rid of it netting so it'll be a wasted effort <hes> <hes> and and and i think it actually makes for really dynamic performance because when we are introduced to this world peter finch goes on on air and says he's going to kill himself and no one realizes it is a job. This is a time card punching job and and everything we've talked about so far hollywood. Our media is viewed as like whoa this magical cool place and here you look at everybody in that room. They're looking looking at the screen. They're not really listening. It's all just above above above and it takes one person that did you hear that. Did you hear that you know she is basically waking up this dormant armant beasts that they can't it can't live anymore so i think i love that too that showing that these old white men are on the way out because they're not in and you know they're not changing their point of view not growing with it. I mean here. We are in a world where they talk about this network as it is the most important thing on the planet and even these people don't care here. I love that scene so much and it's interesting. I mean when you reach any limits book about network. He does this kind of art from beginning to end of the movie. The i feel like i never ever ever ever ever catch while i'm watching it but then he explains it and then i look for it and i'm like okay but he doesn't so seamlessly. Is that the lighter to darker thing that he's doing with the cinematography. I was thinking more about how he has. This network show up at the very beginning being very naturalistic. You know in the very first meetings you see about like oh what are having tonight eight howard over here. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. He has the camera just kind of casually loop around the table in this office. People are chatting. They're snacking. It's very casual and it feels is almost documentary like but at the end in the very final meeting that you have in the building when they're all talking about. What are we going to do better howard beale problem. It is stiff. It is arch it is. He said he tried to shoot a commercial in that his whole idea. What the cinematography is that. He wanted to make a movie where you watch the camera. Get corrupted that it goes from being stick looking film to a really stiff high production value crazy lit film and does it so smoothly because you are watching literally. The film film is changing around you and that is so interesting. It's like i think in the beginning of the film. He's using natural light. <hes> you know so it is very realistic realistic and verite to a certain degree but you're right. I mean you've just it slowly sneaks in. I mean even if you wanted to look at the big markers of it. What the new you show becomes like these big rotating panels and giant you know standards for the fortune teller and howard beale and really just even the set design of that. I think it starts that transition into this second. Half of the movie wants to get his own format and i love that lumet frames though scenes like we're not watching aging it through the lens of the t._v. We're not just seeing it how it would look if it was perfect. He pulls back just enough so that we see the stagehands who are actually moving the sets around. He makes the see the the work and the effort and the clumsiness of it. He doesn't just make it all glamorous. What i love about halley starts this movie first of all. It's a newscaster in the newscaster voice setting up you know the story of howard beale which i was immediately drawn in on it's just so great but we are introduced to these characters in the most natural way that we can find them which is they're drunk and they're stumbling around and your and you find i think so much love of for these two guys they are two male leads you know <hes> and they're vulnerable and i think max definitely has some really great moments especially with faye dunaway like in the kitchen towards the end when they're having their break-up and he wants to go back to his wife. You have to love it. Max that william holden was in a._m. Is the younger man under the throb the older woman boulevard and now he's the older man ended throb the younger woman. It's a great performance too because i think he feels so much life from her but do you feel that the reason why he's leaving hers because she'll never love him or that. It was like this attempt to capture his youth and he's like you know what. I don't want my youth. I want my stability in a way. I feel like faye. Dunaway is so beautiful here even in a movie that dresses are just like the worst earth tones instagram's during about this like she is in the ugliest close and they fit perfectly quickly looks amazing. Sidney lumet talks about how just her skirt alone. I think they had like sixteen different places where they took it in so it fits her beautifully but it's the worst colors and it makes me think think like is he trying to say that this is a woman doesn't care that much about what she looks like in terms of bright colors style her so well. I feel like that is maybe a sign of the times. It's a seventy s weird. Things are going on not in the newsroom. I i feel like i mean i didn't take it in in any other sense like i loved blouses. I love the way she just. She carried herself. Actually more put together in the colors of the suits of the corporate people right the the only person i think who i remember having any color really and i totally wrong so don't come at me twitter but is robert duvall and he's wearing the tuck. It's like oh that's striking but everyone else is in the browns and times things like that but also so but also william holden's wife interest-rate as as bright red hair. Maybe there's something thing in all of her clothes. All phased played bass clothes that make her look like. She's drained. Nikola nikola vampire would always suck the color out of the carrot for it and leave a white carrot. I mean she was just bad girlfriend like she never talks to him. She only talks about her show maroshek. I get that should be boring after a while not really engaged in anything she she never. You never see them even talk about the food you know. They only ever talk about work will she. Only talks is a passive observer in that relationship ship exactly. 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Don't get it who don't understand which way the wind is blowing versus fate underway as this younger generation that is one hundred percent the thing that's happening but what strikes likes me is that from the very beginning maximum howard also know that this is what's happening. They don't wanna do it. Listen to the way they talk about. What howard thinks he should be doing next. Gonna kill myself. <hes> shit run. My brains run on the air right in the middle of the seven o'clock news elevating guarantee you that fifty share easy. It's thinks show sure we could make a series of suicide of the week. Hell why limit ourselves execution of the week service to the week. I love it. Suicides assassinations mad bombers mafia hitmen automobile smash ups the death our crate sunday night show for the whole family fucking disney right off the air. I'm happy with that fucking disney off there but yeah they they know exactly what would be a hit right now on t._v. Drunken they're joking about it and diana cushions gonna make it real yeah well. This is the battle that we always have right which is like out with the old with the new and they're the the friction that that causes and i think watching the scene. I'm talking about this with you. I'm also going interesting these actors he's kassy's veteran actors and and in this new actress who is this vibrant you know star but this is like william holden is on the way out all the cast of you looked at their faces with the exception again robert volvo robert duvall would argue is in the middle. He's corporate. He's he is walking that balance he he appears to be like the old guard but is you you know funneling his attention and energy into the new guards. I think you're exactly right. I mean before before peter finch. Did this movie he kind of given up on acting at all. He was living in jamaica. Go where he met his final wife he was more or less retired. When this movie came out and brought him back on the air. I mean this is how far back peter finch goes back. He used to be like a traveling anthea performer and then he was spotted one day while he was on the road by vivien leigh and laurence olivier and they saw him and they're like you're really talented. I actually think that you should be more the village it actor and they brought him to the old vic which is where laurence olivier who's really in charge of that theater and they put him on the stage there in london and then he became a bigger deal a bigger sensation and then he wound up having an affair with vivien leigh round up during a whole bunch of stuff. He wanted becoming like a very intense alcoholic which definitely was at this point in time. That's a lot of what contributed chevy did think to his health problems. He was having a lot of issues and it had a very complicated history with faye dunaway on. Was it the towering inferno they were in the film together. Only the movies so fun. I guess they just did not get along and didn't get along with faye dunaway but i think that they were thinking like oh. Would this be a bad bad match in the film that going to set off but i mean i think they had an easier go around but they're very rarely together. In in this film i mean your separate entities entities. He wanted this part so bad and the mets didn't even want him because he's able. You're australian accent you won't you won't present as as as an american and we weren't used to hemsworth vacation. I know well. He was going to fly himself on his own dime to do the screen test and then he sent a tape to sidney lumet where he read the new york times pitch perfect in american accent. I did not know he was australian until i was doing my research. I was like oh pretty good pretty good well. That's a breaks my heart about him not being alive to get to see his performance really take off. I mean one of the other stories about why i think he did. Die of a heart attack was he was so determined to get an oscar. That heated pressed nonstop. He was just needed like over three hundred interviews and he didn't drive so he was walking himself. I think like the beverly hills hotel. They don't give them a car. Use like walking himself themselves every day back and forth like four or five miles he left walking's it wasn't a big deal but he was doing a lot of walking into the story as he walked there warning. He sat down in a chair. He was waiting for inner for t._v. T._v. interviews sidney lumet walked because he was going to join him just in time to watch him collapse and so he died right before he was supposed to do a ton of interviews soil away. This movie movie is kind of. I mean the making of this movie his kind of echoing real life because they work this man to down south. <hes> you know four intermediate is for entertainment value yeah and then what i didn't know about until i read. There's actually a really great book network for people who are interested in it as written by david's coffee writes for the new york times. He's terrific. You wrote a book called mademoiselle in that book he talks about how there became this kind of minor oscar scandal after his death where if he won there was a lot of back and forth chatter in the papers about who would get the award for him if he won and basically the producers of the oscars said you can have anybody from the cast you want. We recommend you have patty. We remind you of lumet you. You're one of those guys maybe william holdings either nominated against each other taking up and get the oscar for him and patty was like like well. We really want his widow to get it if he wins. We've really want his widow to get it and the oscars were like not was before or after the marlon brando and it was after it was after the session little feather instance. They're very protective over who should get an oscar. Also i think there was a little bit of an optics question because peter finch his wife was black and i think they thought maybe having a black woman. Come up and accept an award at a time when hadn't happened since you know. No black female had won an oscar for an acting category since hattie eddie. I think they didn't want that optics. Wow this is how the night played out. Actually patty left up there took. The award needed some obscure reason. I'm up your accepting accepting an award for finch finci. Everybody called him. There's no reason for me to be here. There's only one person should be up here. Accepting this award and that's the person who finch wanted up here accepting his award mrs peter finch are you in the house alita. Come up and get your award the and then there's a ton of applause. She walks up and i just want to hear i want him. Give us a chance to get to actually hear her speak. I want to say thanks the members purpose of the academy my husband. I wish she was here tonight to be with us all but since he isn't here i'll always cherish this for him but yeah evan living in a way just as battle over the optics of pick up. This award is network. -solutely i mean they think again. This is why this movie is is important. We open up the newsroom's talking about gun control. I i wrote that down right away. It's like we're constantly what we leading with what are we talking about how we presenting it and we're talking about the same issues forty forty five years later forty three years later like we're dealing with the same things and i know that lumet and did not even want this film or consider this film to be a satire. I think they were just running with this. Premise after chomsky like went and studied <hes> you know how newsrooms are run. I think she's got all these ideas and for people to see it. They probably soon the this is heightened but it wasn't. I think the time has gone on it just shown not that she was so smart that she saw where it was going but that she was in that room and she as a you know an unbiased is a oh this. I'm just reporting on this. It's kind of the same way again going back nashville just being there and being a fire on the wall. You get the paint a picture. That's a lot more truthful yeah. Yeah i mean this is probably a good moment to talk about patty isky himself because he's such a major voice at this time he had been for decades penetrate ascii for the people who just want like a little bit of a biography about him. He's this jewish kid from an east coast. He gets drafted into world war. Two it instead of having this really heroic world war two story the the way that laid a lot of people from this era do he said like i went out one night to go to the bathroom and i got i accidentally sat in pooped on a land mine and then it blew up and he got a purple heart he was fine would make fun of who he was. As a person he was kind of a chubby guy. Everybody was made fun of him for being chubby guy. He got teased a lot. He is considered kind of difficult but one of the people that he met when he was in the military became an right and he ran into this guy when he got out of the service and the guy said you always really talented. You wrote cool cool stuff. Just entertain the troops when we were in the war. Stop working on these like low paying jobs. Let me give you five hundred dollars. Take that money and write a play and be the person snakes should be and he did and he wrote a play and it was great and then he gets into television really early on in the nineteen fifties when t._v. is experimenting with doing things like writing. Hour-long plays is filming them and figuring out what to you is supposed to do and one of the early things that he wrote became super famous and it was a t._v. Play called marty that then became gave a party and marty is just amazing actually put a clip from the movie and not the t._v. Just to play it because it's beautiful. This is ernest borgnine and what marty has about is. It's about out a man who works in a butcher shop. He's in his mid thirties. His mom really wants him to find love. He's given up on love and this is mom pressuring him to go to a dance that night. I chased after enough goes in my life. I went to enough dances. I got hurt enough. I don't wanna get hurt. No more. I just called up girl is after noon. They got a real brush up. I figured i was past the point of being hurt that hurt some stupid woman widening wanna call up. She gave me the brush now. I don't want to go to start us because all that have happened to me there. It was girls made me feel like i was a bug. I got feelings. You know i had enough pain. No thanks may not know. I must stay home tonight. You can watch the hit parade where you're going to die without a son. I'll die without a son not he put onto blue suit. Blue suit gray suit just a fat little man a fat ugly man glee ugly. Leave me alone. My what do you want from me. What do you want from your miserable enough as it is all right so i'll go to the stardust ball out of blue suit and i'll go and you know what i'm gonna get into my trouble heartache a big like mighty i mean mardi is incredible for people who haven't i can't and i it's beautiful and so what happens is marty. He's one of the things that in these early days of t._v. Legitimizes tv and says this is an art form and patty. Is that person associated with he is a person who showed with t._v. Maybe could become and then he was the person who spent the next mini mini years yelling at what it had become you know there are all these headlines like tchaikovsky claims t._v. Is stupid really difficult difficult and if a television is democracy at its ugliest exactly because it meant it was personal to him to see he knew all the people he he knew all the players he knew the power of it and it really scared him like ninety percent of the people in america watched the moon landing on t._v. That is so powerful then he watches which is t._v. Become the thing where one of the things griped about wasn't episode of the news where barbara walters was saying. Let's see if we can test dogs. I q well. I mean don't but we're living in this time now and i'm not trying to get political but you see the power of a person who is a reality show a host becoming the president of the united states there is there is i mean but you also look at a action movie star becoming the governor of california -fornia wrestling played with chimpanzees becoming the governor of california and then president and you look at like the guy was in predator and the w._w._f. Becoming like the governor of minnesota like not that these people aren't worth their salt and they don't deserve to be in the places that he deserved to be in. I'm just saying that the power of that exposure sure the power of the perception of who you are listening to this show. If you're pro or anti trump i can. I think you can say one thing that don from the federalists tillerson's the times for saying that mitch mcconnell was irving reason. I think he stopped mccain. I didn't know that we were getting yelled at by that guy. Well what i guess what i'm saying. He's like as you present yourself as how you are seen and that's why i'm going back to the opening. When you're drunk you get to see who they actually are but donald trump presents himself as a rich man so people always assumed him rich man. There's no problem and i think that's the power of t._v. Like it creeps of false narrative. It doesn't have to be the right narrative. It just creates a narrative narrative. You want to create a so. I think i get that and i think that our media right now is full of that. That's the reason we don't have original movies. We were tweeting about this on. <hes> on twitter like once upon a time in hollywood is the first movie this summer. That's an original work to make over one hundred million dollars and before that i believe it was <hes> us right so it's only two there's entire year. That's crazy so the only original work that's making money to and how many movies everything else is reboots and remakes. It's that makes me wanna cry like. I don't know how much money good boys is gonna make in theaters good boys at like gigantic wonderful beautiful. Oh by the way see this movie. It's it's so it's so good if that doesn't break one hundred million dollars we're just dead. I'm so no but we need. We need original voices but yet we think we're starting to find ourselves in a society and i don't want to get on a soapbox talk about we'll talk about network but where corporations are taking over you'd rather eat an olive olive garden and a mom and pop italian place you would you know it's familiarity and i think familiarity and what we know is actually causing the death of our our own ideas in a way it's becoming corporate. Structures are running. How what we'd watch what we eat what we do and that's what they talk about. In this movie i mean this. This conglomerate conglomerate makes decisions. You know it's it's natalie ned beatty when he comes in. It's like you don't understand no no no this is how the world works and that's a fucking shocking things. I'm sure people are not doesn't work like that. Corporations don't ruin like that like no it does. It's only seemingly more and more like that. It does yeah that'd be. Let's hear the ned beatty speech for tax. What's been going on his at howard. Beale has been very angry to realize that his network which is owned by a corporation in itself and corporations may be getting owned by the saudis and i have to say like hearing howard beale talk about the layers of corporations bankers investment people that own media companies as a person who has you've seen the death of many newspapers that i wrote for one hundred percent true you know in the newspaper world everything i've ever witnessed has been an independent paper getting getting purchased by a conglomerate getting purchased by some sort of consortium that doesn't care what a newspaper does right and thinks that we're supposed to be a major profit making enterprise which we art. It's it's a this is all true and what happens is bill goes on the air talks about it and then gets in trouble with his big big big big big big bus because it stopped being funny and entertaining retaining and it started to actually hit a real nerve. I think when he when he is just railing he it is fun. I mean he passes out and people are plotting plotting celebration but when he starts to say real truthful things that can actually hurt the network then they step in exactly that's details that i love movies watching going go on his rants and then faint and then watch all the workers in the audience everybody who's onset try to get the audience to applaud and nobody comes and touches him just alone on the stage and it devastates estates me. This is the end of nashville to. We're talking about movies in the same time. Yeah you have metal forces of nature audio and i won't have a clear merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The arabs have taken billions of dollars of this country and now they must put it back. It has happened flow title gravity. It is logical ballots. You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples there are nations the era bz. There are no third world. There is no west there is only one holistic system out assist this one vast andy made interwoven interacting multi beriot multinational dominion of dollars petrol electrode the hamas multi dollars right smocks reams rubles pows and check it just the international international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet that is the natural order of things today that is the atomic and sub atomic and galactic structure of things to day and you have metal that prime of paul <music> says you told am i getting into you. Must've you love that. I've thought of that that they could man. I love that he's talking you think oh is he insane no he's i. I think the only way you can get through to this guy is that and by the way is a fan of hand acting some of the best hand acts of all the fingers and i love the framing of it that he's so so far away but leading this airline looking runway of desk and then you keep cutting to build who's in close up very extreme closeup darkness darkness and the look on the bills face is exactly look me wakes up in the middle of night and he thinks he's hearing the voice of god. He's like oh. This is god is god and then you have ned beatty walk over in his direction and then he's back. Let this faceless got like is happening. It's his imagination is ned beatty speech his imagination. I'm i'm not gonna win. The planet hollywood this <hes> howard beale starts off angry. We all he's angry. Everyone in this movie is angry angry. Whether it's the terrorist they're angry. I mean that's another great scene. The sky shooting a gun talk about contract deal points is he doesn't surrounded by people in suits. Yeah maybe here a couple of seconds of that because i just love this contrast. I mean the seeds us to be as everybody is corruptible. Even the uncorruptible communists. Oh absolutely corruptible in the face of tv. We're not sitting still over. Charges caused prior to distribution of what my distribution costs taking a lousy fifteen per statement. I'm already devastating twenty by metro. Pay on mars type of set off the top ten thousand per segment another by this fruit cake and go start no shit with me about a piece again. I'm paying metro twenty percent but all barney canadian distribution and that's after recoupment communist goddamn show to go into syndication the kitchen for seventy five hundred eleven production expense. I'm not getting pseudo insurrectionary sectarian a piece of my show. I'm not giving them script approval and i sure aetna minimizes abuse charges fast. Did you see bad jailbreak out. Demonstrating the rioting seminal prisoner class infrastructures. You can blow the class structure out your services say the casting of the ecumenical liberation army it is the casting of the level of the manson kids in hollywood is so brilliant i mean the major voice that you hear is marlene warfield. She's she's a really awesome tough woman. She was leaving a bar in a cops are hassle her and she's fought with him and bit his thumb. She's about us and then you have author burghard hard playing the great ahmed khan and he's incredible. This is a guy who had recently just done two and a half years in jail for evading the draft you know he was a really political figure. He actually was really uncomfortable. Playing a character like the great ahmed khan he was he was worried. Basically you'd never work in this town again that all of his friends would think he was a horrible person for playing this kind of like lampoon but also dangerous but also people might take it too literally character. He tried to everything he could to make. This character looks sort of like a fool us introduced. He's eating kentucky fried chicken. Which i noticed is like we've had so many check fried chicken box siding. You're ready to get movies yeah and he'd deliberately smeared his characters face with grease to make him look more repulsive because you you wanna make it clear. It wasn't on the side of the sky interesting by the way. Did you recognize his voice. You know it sounded so familiar but no. I don't know where it's from. I thought you of all people as a child silence eighties would recognize him because he played a little character in the cartoon g._i. Joe named detro- oh my god my old and we congratulate you on the success of your mission success. You dare speak to me of success you psychotic civil servant don't eat and we're talking about these great performances these great speeches and we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the classic speech the most parodied speech to the most you know quintessential moment of this film which is weird to watch for first time in two thousand nineteen because you're so familiar with it. It's so in the d._n._a. It's a joke whenever something is so good. It becomes a joke and that's a real terrible thing about culture drive fake. I think i'm realizing that as we do this podcast more more because you take the steam out of it they will never be as powerful as it was because you've seen it goofed on so many times is a danger even in this movie. Even movie seems aware like if you make something a joke it's dangerous if you on that khan as she says archie bunker it's dangerous so this new job you have to. I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things bad. It's a depression. Everybody's everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's. Worth banks are going bus chucky. Keep a gun under the counter punks on surrounding wild in the street and there's nobody seems to know what to do and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit. Debris in our food is unfit to eat. We sit watching our t._v.'s while some local newscast adele's today we had fifteen home is at sixty three violent crimes. If that's the way it's supposed to be we know things are bad worse than bad. They're crazy slide. Everything everywhere is going crazy so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house of slowly the world we're living in his getting smaller and always ah pleased at least three was alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toast. Turn my t._v. And my steel belt and radios that i won't say anything. Just leave us alone well. I'm not going to leave you alone. Hello i want you to get that. I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to ride. I don't want you to write to your congressman because i wouldn't want to tell you the right. I don't know what to do about the depression on the inflation and the russians and the crime in the streets. All i know is that i got to get matt. You've got to say i'm a human being god. Dammit my life life value so i want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up about. A chess wanted to get up right now. Go to the window. Open it and stick your head out and yell. I'm magazine the hell and i'm not talking to take this anymore. I want you to get up right now. Up gaudio windows open emma stick your head out. Yell gel mad as hell. There's something really beautiful and the blocking of that as well. He's essentially in a cage like he's. He's in his newscaster cage. Any breaks free of it and that's the last time we ever see him held. That's true back and this is the moment of him breaking free something really beautiful about that as far as from directing stamp. I love that you're so right like we. We see him at the beginning as composed guy getting his makeup done here. He's sweat. He's lost that first person's gone and you're right. He's never the desk i ever again and then what also love is the reality of the moment when people are going to the windows. It's not it's not like broadway musical. Everyone's out their windows. It's you kind of see like a head another one someone looking it. It seems very natural progression of how could possibly happen. It's not like the whole streets are alive with people screaming it but you you know one or two people i. I don't know i just love the way that they present. That moment feels real to me yeah. The first person you follow to the window is a teen girl. Who's kind of doing it as a lark. She's like yeah. What's the reaction to this. Are we taking this seriously so you're with her. You're like i don't know how serious should we take this and then you watch her. Take it in sort of like. We're all watching the same train wreck but what's fascinating is when you look at all these people along. These windows is such cross section. You know it's old female. It's young people it's all different types of people and they're all angry. It'll be to be honest like that is is one of the only things that gives me solace in this year. Realizing the seventies were just as bad. If i wanna yell out the window they sure wanted yell at the window to and at least they survived. Don't you think that the one thing that we all share in common is we are all and another people out there disagree. We are all influenced influenced by the media right. We all can rail against the way that we are being given information right like it doesn't matter what side you're on or anything it just like we you know the anger at that. I mean and we've kind of lost that anger 'cause we're. We're not railing against the system railing about the pieces within the system right. I'm mad about about how that story is coming out or how this t._v. Show comes up. We're not railing at the underlying cause of it which is like these networks that are producing these things that are like you know we we it's kind of like the junior giant magic trick yeah and in this time of like extreme political divisiveness. I wonder how many of the people pulling our strings danna who seems to be completely completely apolitical. She just wants a good story. Yeah i mean one thing that is true. Though in nineteen seventy six is that there is a precedent for news anchor killing themselves on air. I mean i mean there are few movies about this a couple of years ago. This is dubbed jailing of the two stories of christine chubby and florida who shot herself on air because her bosses were yelling at her to do worse types of news and you knew new she didn't did you see that movie christine yes all them. Both i saw them both and so you patty incentivize said like oh. We weren't that aware of it. They couldn't really find your records in their notes of them being that aware of it because because i think they were writing it while it was one it happened so it it may have seeped in but it wasn't like i saw that i need to write this. Do you think that he is mentally tally on well. Do you think he's having nervous breakdown. Do you think that without his job is nothing. I mean 'cause we. We really meet him app. After he's been fired right we are joining the conversation probably two hours after or three hours after he had been told he has two weeks left on his contract. Yeah yeah i mean i think both he and max they have this kind of parallel journey of who are we when we are not these people like this has been our entire career and i do think there is sort of a breakdown element of like if i don't have the has made me famous or powerful and it's giving me a lifer living with living i don't want it anymore and they handle in such different ways you know in a way mexico's crazy to by having this affair with diana and breakfast whole life exactly he wrecks his whole life as well they both do that. It's just the one difference is max. His main purpose in this movie is really to be the only person with any sort of a conscience beside his wife <hes> you know he's the one voice of reason who is like my friend is not well. Can we take care of him right rather than that. I mean he's you know also culpable of leading t._v. Control his life like i love the way that would maximize break-up with with diana he you can only talk about it in terms of t._v. To yeah i want came actually this and even a second of that too happy. Ending husband comes to his senses returns to his wife established a long sustaining love heartless heartless young woman left alone arctic desolation music with swell final commercial here few scenes from next week. Show me me love this love story and it's a great story but he is her right to a certain degree like he is her twenty years before her yeah he frames in the same way and you know everybody. Nobody in this movie is talking about faye dunaway like this t television generation raised by bugs. Bunny is though she's this terrifying anomaly but now the people of dunaway's. I know he's age are talking about the kids who grew up phones of. They're the crazy ones now. The faye dunaway generations like you could these days always with your angry birds. You're always going to get the other generation looking down on how they interact data doing anything and everyone looks back at their way of it as the best way. Which is you know how he opened the movie you the max character talking about how he covered news. We overslept and you know this hard drinking lifestyle. I love it. My love that love story is amazing using and i think what i love about faye dunaway's carrying keep going back to. She's very honest with him right like she's struggling with this. She's like this is what i'm i'm capable of and i think you see that a lot of the times in celebrity couples and <hes> in when you look at these biographies like my career is more important than it's not like. She's incapable of love. She just loves her career and moving up and getting the accolades more than she wants. It's a relationship and i think now we're in a culture where that actually it's a little bit more society acceptable. No i'm not focusing on my love focusing on my career and i think what you see with max. X is something that you come to realize when you spend your whole life doing that. The only important thing is the life that you have because that can all fall apart and then you have nothing and if you go down too long you have nothing behind. You and i think going back to our earlier conversation about peter finch. It may not even be that. He is unwell unwell but he has nothing. We don't see his wife and family. We don't know maybe doesn't maybe he is also on that track and and if you are rudderless you essentially spin i've been out of control until you crash and in this case you know or killed on air. You're right. I mean the way we keep talking about t._v.'s revelation of god but they have put it forward it has all been the center driving force the thing that they worship their careers and i'm a career person absolutely understand you know deciding. That's that's the best tradeoff and i really like thinking about how radical a faye dunaway type character wasn't a time where you even maybe worse than today with respect to have a job and then when they get married. You're done right right. You're out of your kid which is still a problem. It's still a problem of stigmatization like that and what of baticle character she is. I think it's fascinating to try to imagine how scary she was through other people's eyes at this time because i'm still trying to wrestle with my little bit of like gogo which is always a thing that i have with fading away in general even every store you hear about her. She's just the worst it's like. I love her character want to love her but maybe you need that type of performer to bring that character to life. I mean look. We're not all good. People doesn't make a difference references. She's good at her job which was to be this person and to be other people. She won the academy award. What's interesting about it is now this character the fade away but this character lives on and we actually got to sit down with one of the stars of network broadway show tatyana who you might know more from from black she's just a fantastic actress and she had the i think the daunting task of bring this character to stage age in a different way. Michelle dockery played in the west end. She's playing it here and we got to talk to her about her experience network and her experience with this character and it's i think you're really going to like to hear how the audience reacted to her now in two thousand nine hundred so talk to me about your first kind of exposure to shoe network so i hadn't seen the movie before i got the audition for it for the play and was kind of shocked that i hadn't seen it because it felt like it was it like seventy cinemas kind of my thing and i just felt like it was so unique and funny and weird and kind if bouncing it off the play at option was was interesting because they really took a different path with it. You talk to me about that like what what are the differences between the play and the film. The play is very howard. Beale centric okay so it's sort of the character you side with is him whereas in the film it feels sounds like he's sort of he's really mad in a way that's kind of alienating almost yeah but in the in the play it's i think yvo van hove who directed acted the play and lee hall who adapted the screenplay really wanted to work on that the humanity of howard beale and sort of like where we can get caught up in his in his ideology in a way that's like because we believe it then. Maybe he tips into stuff that we're like. Oh that's kind of fucked up and that is sort of where my boundary gets drawn in terms of like where i can follow him but he really like with bryan bryan cranston who played him mm-hmm. It was really about like the human being that was being used yeah and it feels like the audience was a part of that in the live production where the audience's kind of almost not manipulated but they're they're feeding that they're being the real audience that they're commenting on a network as well. I mean totally like are hype. Man who like who gets the crowd going getting the audience going and getting them to yell mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore and there's audience on stage that are eating while you were performing right next to them and we go out into the street so it's like really i think about the culpability of the audience whereas networks of film always felt a little like you could watch it and be like oh. That's crazy yeah. Do you know what i mean like. It's a satire and it's like almost sci-fi is what i've always said about it. And what was it like to do this character and especially at night after night. I mean what what did you find that it was interesting coming to it because they're because faye dunaway with connick in that part and because i think just like critics wchs and audiences and everybody had so kind of vilified that character in a way that was really ossified like she was the body in a way that i i was like i always struggled with and maybe this is just my own perspective but always was like will but what about the guys who are doing the exact same thing but there was something about her gender sure that allowed for like oh she's the she's the body right and she's so vile and she said this and that and re watching the movie i was like there's actually a lot of opportunities for her her fall and for her like <hes> humor humanity to show through in in our adaptation in the play. She's a lot more one track mind. There's very very little give in terms of <hes> her her wants. She gives very little to max in that relationship. It's really one-sided incited orgasms and he's like this piece of meat that she's fucked to you know what i mean like. She's just sort of on her own thing the tough character because you're not only creating a character creating a character that people have an expectation of when you're going into it as well. Hopefully that's and that's. I mean so what does your approach. I mean not to get too actor. What was your approach to kind of. Make your own and then also find that humanity well. I think i had to really i watched the film home and i like wrote about in blind like dissect it but then i really had to let it go because i'm such a different creature from dunaway like it just they couldn't have the different guy like if they try just so different and i had to really get my head around the fact that they picked me which is like fr- fraud alert flying of course what we all feel that if we ever get any jobs that we have we don't deserve that no of course thank you doing and so so it was really about just trying trying to continue to find myself in her and find my own interpretation which is not the power necessarily of faye dunaway or the the the coldness of michelle dockery or whatever but like my own version of what it is what it is to be really hungry for something and really like one track minded about something and really passionate schnitt about about my wants and do it in my way and it took me two hundred performances before i was like feeling yeah well. That's is an interesting thing because you get to like run over a groove so many times and live theater that i feel like is it. I mean it is evolving then it sort of looking at where you started started to where you ended. I can't imagine it not right yeah. Some people don't care to evolve it but that's like no because i've heard some people i said it and then like you set it and forget get it and it just seems like it. It's a recipe for just going crazy absolutely crazy so any time i felt like settling into something. It'd be like known of what what's it's interesting here. What am i trying to solve. What what question do i have and i think also the audience because it's such a prescient piece because it at the time in the seventies. Maybe maybe was like fiction but now it's so much the world we're living in <hes> that the audience response because it was so visceral for them really endowed us with different energy in different perspective. I was gonna ask about that. Because in the seventies here's faye dunaway she's coming in and she has a brand new way of looking at news and programming and she's being very controversial in time but now again she's doing something that is normal. This is normal stuff love. Did you find that people liked her more or no. No it was like a vacuum when i walked through those like 'cause brian was so like so funny money and so like light and like deepen that character and just so connected to the audience and i come out and i just feel like oh yeah because it because i think they're scared of what she'll do him because she's using him and he's their god whereas in the film there's a less of that kind of black and whiteness yeah yeah but i definitely did not feel them on my side which was another ping to get ohio every night like get off the worst feeling talk to me about just network in general and your experience because now you were with this text and i know it's very closely based on on on the movie but what is your takeaway now and and how do you look at. Do you look at media different do you would you take away from the entire experience. I feel like i was so kind of aware of media media like mandates from just being in the industry and also just being a woman in the industry. I don't really feel like token is so often or like you're filling a quota or whatever so so that stuff was familiar to me but i think the the the the anger of people which is another thing that i'm really fascinated by is like when his anger like in the film when is it destructive and when is it like we're seeing now destructive and activating right. Do you know what i mean and i think that's again. Why the piece is important now is that it looks at anger gra from <hes> a myriad perspective like different perspectives that aren't just bad it is also the political the thing that gets people politically active yeah the thing that puts people i guess people in the street protesting yeah but it's also the thing that causes people to hate each other and you know we'll sort of yeah your point of view view and sometimes the i mean it's hard to say like somebody's point of view is wrong but it's you spend any time on social media. You can say like yeah some wrong points of view there but when you're dealing with a show where the audience is so involved. Did it ever go off the rails. I had a friend who was in glengarry glen ross on broadway and alan alda was and and like you know in the middle of the show someone just yelled at hawkeye like from on mash and i'm wondering when you give the audience permission to be like you're part of it yeah. Did you ever did any like moment like that. Just there was one moment where where i come out on stage. After howard beale is has has done like a little rant i come out on stage and i started talking about the show's ratings and how they're tanking blah blah blah and drunk in the audience what is howard show <hes> and i was like oh shit like so he really needed to tell me that i love in the mo- passionate. He's he also got removed from. He was doing other ship but that is that's intense. Rotten riled him up to that extent yeah. Well this perfect great. Thank you so much. You know that idea that howard beale is the person we're supposed to empathize as with. I mean i find that so fascinating because i think that we've really had especially in the last fifteen years of media is that there's this generation of people this generation of newscasters who do all completely empathize with howard beale celebrate. Him adopted ticks all decide that he is. Maybe the sympathetic win that like they. They don't think being beal is a bad thing. This move is being built means. Everybody's gonna take advantage of you. They're going to kill you in a very blue murder chat seen about how your ratings are good enough to live but the people that this movie spun to she watched. It's almost like they watch taxi driver wrong. I caught a glimpse. I pulled a clip from three different people across the spectrum. This is all the influence of howard beale through the lens of keith olbermann glenn beck and bill o'reilly it just you can picture keith who's going to start off. He is actually wearing the trenchcoat. I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write your congressman. All i know is that i got to get mad. You got to say i'm a human being damaged. My life has value so oh. I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window open. Its stick stick your head out and yell good night and good luck. It's funny to have him do that. Because is he is one of the more or was one of the more bombastic speak my mind reporters constantly getting fired and moved around for what he said and to see even doing it. It actually pumps me out so that is a self consciously yeah. There's a self conscious nod to bill o'riley. Does it also incredibly incredibly self-consciously. He even launched a section called madison mad as hell segment tonight. What's really teeing you off zeebrugge in a brand new segment where you you sound off about things that are driving you crazy. We all the segments of patty ski and the movie network hi. I'm not gonna take this has anyone that's exactly how i look with barney frank albums with mad very mellow juliette honey. I wanted that contrast on so i is lori martin who lives in illinois. She's mad as hell about obamacare chaos bluecross here. I mean the thing that gets me about him is that he is exactly opposite of keith olbermann. I think he is so controlled and rational and not even manipulated like i've never seen him get mad and the only time i get mad is when he's telling me to shut up like not because he's passionate. He's only passionate about people not interrupting in yeah and that's exactly like the person we're gonna play last. This is a person who makes me the most nervous because they're the most of the template for what is happening right now which is people channeling howard beale but not doing it self-referentially not wearing the trenchcoat not blamed clips from network but just being him and i find it terrifying. This is of course my nemesis glennbeck. I'm tired of it. I know you are to what will it take oh. It's an historic day. Some people think we're having a seventeen seventy six moment no no we're having july fourteenth seventeen eighty nine. That's the one that ended with the guillotine the teams in france they were both revolutions. Isn't it great. They're both calling for freedom. No one ended with bloodshed head and guillotine. There is a difference more in a minute. I mean i'm i'm constantly impressed by glenn glenn back because i think he is the person who knows how to manipulate media like he came from a radio show background. If you listen to old radio shows it's so pop forty like here's the weather. Here's the thing it's cultivating a media personality wire. We cultivating immediate personnel based on losing their mind like ultimate yes. He's angry but why why that's not like. I don't think that's what we should be looking for in a way i i it's but that's but this is the entertainment of it. This is what you glenn beck drawing on the chalk board and he did that like these are all the things and you could go and i could slam bill maher for doing the same thing. It's like everyone is making it into you can show news not news. You want to hear people around argue about it and you have the host in the center and you can tell you that you're all wrong and then you're happy about it. You know yeah and glennbeck. I'm back does the same thing that in alex jones does which is sometimes in interviews. They'll be like understand entertainer. I've just performing this but then they play dead when they're talking to the people who take them seriously of course ah but that's the way for watching any of the who's really fired on well. You know what there's somebody else who really took it on <hes> and you. You probably aren't super familiar with them. I'm gonna amy you. I don't know if you are a fan of snug smog. It's a cool band here. Take a listen yeah. That's that's also very <music>. <hes> you know smog very influenced. I can't believe you're donald smog actually dig from ray bradbury who saw network oh yeah so ray bradbury's on network in rebe rodriguez like i really liked the movie but i actually have an idea for a better ending yeah you want to hear his thing. This is what he wrote an essay the l._a. Times he said these us nation of finch character quite naturally raises in ratings the night that he is killed this was probably true in the movie the way it was but here's what he changes the network work has been careful to drop some elephants hints about a possible killing and the twenty four hours previous so then the funeral is held two days later during the supper news hour the ratings rise even higher higher. The grandiose tomb is prepared with an immense sculptured rock in front on the third day following the assassination. The rocks found ruled back. The tomb is empty. Ratings skyrocket doc in the network hints that in about one year will be a second coming when fincher turns. It'll be the start of a whole new season a whole new ratings extravaganza a whole new religion. The assassination and of course was a fraud finch struck by soft bullets at enough anesthetized rather than killed has been kept on ice and some florida rest home against the day when it is time for ecclesiastical call rebirth. Oh sweet memory peter finch forgive me for this. I mean there's something about that that would make much more satirical yet and like sidney sidney lumet when you read that he was like you know that's actually a great idea and if we did do a network sequel what we could do is he could come back each time resurrected as whatever would be in fashion. He said he could be a black militant. He could satiric film director. He could be a fashion designer. Eddie wrote this up and he sent it to patch ascii and patty ignored it well. I mean look you have to. I also agree that. Bulworth is a very clear kind of connection to network. I didn't realize that i saw bulworth before saw network work but that's a it's a politician kind of speaking his mind and you know and we're in a lot of movies that share this d._n._a. And i do think and this one does it best but do you want to hear a pan. Yeah i mean i would love to european. Here's a really harsh pan. Let me guess who it's from pauline kale why yes it it is. It is a very hard fan. Ridden invite pauline kill. The title of her ban was hot air. Love ed here are some highlights of which he writes. It's she says in network. Patxi blitzes you with one idea after another his don't go together but who knows which of them he believes anyway. He's like a village crazy bellowing doing you television. He says is turning into morons and humanoids. People have lost the ability to love who him she says oh. No no no no. Here's she gets on patty chance case as for basically being an old man yelling off my lawn. She says ski isn't writing a farce. He's just telling us a thing or two. He hardly bothered with the characters. The movie is just eventual colloquial harangue and lumet. Does she ask you straight. Just as ascii note wanted but the film looks negligently made in the lighting bleaches. The actors faces like a color t._v. That needs tuning in here. That's interesting because she's right but she doesn't really go further thinking that he did it on purpose but anyway i love that she at least picked up on it and then she says she really gets into depth on the mat healthy and here's what she wants to know is the viewers obedience proof of their sheep-like response to t._v. Or is it evidence that the public is as is fed up as he is considering the entire picture is sticking his head out the window and yelling. It must be good yet. There is no follow through on the scene and that is where the movie goes completely clearly on the fritz as in if he released tapping into the anger within whereas the anger like do we have proof of this anger because she's wondering how are we supposed to feel. Is he guessing he right izzy aware are or is everybody just doing whatever he says she says show ski it seems can be indignant about people becoming humanoids and then turned a somersault and said it's inevitable that only a fool wouldn't even recognize that and he's wrong on both accounts doesn't realize that everybody can feel even a kitty cat <hes> feel about that. What do you think i mean. It is the kind of kale review. I really like because she's so pinpointed in what she notices notices. She is in a lot of these questions i would. She mentioned that it hadn't even occurred to me like how i was supposed to interpret the scene of everybody yelling and she really does kind of say like which is it does have a point one way or another and i think that you know she goes a little bit hard on ski calling the the diana character a humanoid and saying like how does he think he's better than that so i think i'm interested in her huffy nece right that she is like he's made a movie. That's insulting all of us. You know oh and wondering how culpable he is in his own insult so i think she took it really personally and i find that fascinating that she this media person who i think. Was this movie really well. She really does pick got one this lighting of television the way that it looks in the movie so accurately she right she's so observant and then i think she filters it through a lens that makes makes a diss well. Can i make the argument that pulling kill may be similar to the max character or all these white men in suits you you can make this argument glare. You know i just feel like a lot of the films we talk about in the the the bigger films that are kind of these cultural touchstones owns. She has a hard time kind of wrapping her head around. You know whether it's something like raiders of the lost ark or this. She is resistant. I into kind of understanding them on the level that they are going to be perceived in the future. She's a kind of watching them in a way like well. That's not the way that i think it should be done or this. I don't know i. I don't think there ever bad i think she's a little bit more protective of the circle that she's in making this case as i can't go to the mat on this case but but but a lot of the times that she's butting heads up against some of the biggest movies that have had giant cultural packs i mean she is butting heads against them but i don't have a protectiveness. I think she's anti hype type okay because she's a person went to the mat for things that were really groundbreaking like bonnie and clyde like nashville that just a year before this. I think what she does is when a movie comes in with a lot of hype and a lot out of group think she goes double heart on it. She's like are you as good at this and she tests it twice as hard okay and she pokes holes. Never nobody else will poke. That's interesting. I appreciate appreciate that and i think that that's sometimes needs to be done because we just kind of gobble up. Oh it's good it's good. It's good and that's why i always like her criticism because even if i don't agree agree with it she brings a point that i think make me enjoy it more yeah i think she raises her criticism to the level of the film's reception option and she's like i. If you are the masterpiece that you are going to cross examine you like life right now. You deserve to be harder examined. If i yeah i hear this all right. You've you've changed my opinion on it. I think she's doing due diligence on not just giving it a pass because everyone says it's genius. It's genius genius all right well then amy. We've really talked this movie every which way and i would have to imagine that if the movie's worth it's salt. It has the simpsons clip. It hasn't affected very direct network illusion asian. This is reminiscent showed called. Let's go fly a coot and the setup here is that homer simpson is really mad. That children's birthday parties have been getting out of hand and getting to incredibly extravagant so he's been going around to little kids birthday parties and he's instead of you know being okay with the fact that their parents are basically mortgaged their house to throw a party. He's been sabotaging all of them and trying to bring down the big birthday industrial complex and this scene picks up when he has been picked up in a helicopter by the big birthday industrial complex take into a conference soon because they are mad at him. You have meddled with the primal forces of nurture mister simpson and i won't have it. Do you think you just just stopped a few lavish parties. No sir there is simply one endless birthday celebration where everyone gets a gift bag a no. Oh parent gets off easy. Do you think this country makes cars anymore. Do you think we smelt steel. No the only thing we do is throw elaborate a children's castilians with enormous inedible cakes out from whence l. graduates pop the very fabric of our existences birthdays taes the sun beau sense of your soul birthdays. You have tried to unwind the world and you tall. I love it and while we're playing parodies seen i have to call out one of my favorite shows better call saul in the first episode of the first season and jimmy bob odenkirk character also does his little take on this when he appeals to <hes> the law office that that he was recently fired from meddled with trying the forces of nature hamlin and i won't have it <music> carey. Don't pay that well amy. We've really interesting conversation about this film. <hes> what do you think does it belong on the list. I do really love network. I really love network. I feel like this is just i mean. Sidney lumet is one of my personal favorites careers that we have on this list and one of the reasons why i love him so much even is just the he really talks about film in the way that i like to hear people talk about film the he would always stress that like doc making movies. This is the thing actually wrote making movies. It is not about how much in charge the director is. You know that is not like has his own film descending them that he he is dependent on weather budget what the leading lady had for breakfast who the leading man is in love with that he is dependent on the talents and idiosyncrasies mood and egos politics and personalities of more than one hundred the different people in the making of the film. He doesn't even want to get into the discussing this duty of the financing the distribution. The marketing in the joy of making a film is in the give and take in that hiring hiring sycophants and servants is telling the picture and himself short and i just love when people hammer that message home and see film this way and not in the complete a tourist. I i mean that's so right in line with petty and miss quoting him but i believe this is exactly the idea of the quote he was like writing is not art. Writing is work so don't look at writing like it's art. Look at it like it's work and i love that theory. I just love that theory that yes all of. This is a job bob. It's a fantastic job but it has all the the highs and lows of a normal job and i think we see that perfectly displayed at the top network. We talked about that here. Hear people running. One of the biggest news shows on t._v. and they are not even paying attention to what's going on. We all are just doing jobs. We have to and we work for the man dan the corporation fucking mad come on down. Where is it. Who is it well. Let's bring it down. Bring down this network stance has dot com or are you anyway next week on the show so amy next week the film we're gonna be talking talking about is lawrence of arabia and i'm gonna admit this is a movie that i'm not excited to watch. It feels like homework to me. It's a long i know it's beautiful but i've been slightly dreading this film on the list. I don't know why i hope that i enjoyed. I know that everyone i talk to you as a just wait. Just wait till you get there and i'm gonna really set myself up right dim the lights sit down and try to give it my full <unk> all attention you at home listening right now. You have a chance to go see it live at the fathom. Events are doing a special screenings of lawrence of arabia coming up right right here in the first week of september so affiliated with yeah. Go have fun. I mean look they should be advertising on our show. They have no idea why middle anyway. I feel like this is a movie that i'm not alone in kind of being daunted by. Maybe we haven't really seen this movie. They know of it but they don't know what it's about camels. Yeah i mean i think of of this movie as like well. Maybe i won't even say what i think we should be here. What people who listen to the show think if you've not seen lawrence of arabia when you call in with your best assumption of what is if you've not seen it <hes> the number is seven four seven six five eight two four seven four seven six six six five eight two four and let us know what you think. Lawrence of arabia is hopefully many of you. Go out to see the film live in the theater. <hes> i know i would have liked to seen it that way. Maybe i actually we'll go back out and see it like that. <hes> and we will see you after your four hour journey into arabia <music>.

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REShow: Kyle Brandt - hour 2 (01-13-21)

"James harden definitely had a pre game meal. Yeah sorry this is the rich eisen. Show a top five player. I can't do. i can't do this anymore. He's not five from the rich. Eisen show studio in los angeles. Kerr's something of the rich eisen show earlier on the show is vn buffalo bills analyst. Eric would co host of good morning. Football kyle brandt tampa bay buccaneers running back leonard fournette plus pro football hall of famer barry sanders. And now you're rich is okay. Everybody number two of the rich eisen show on the air here in and peacock hitting my best ad ever Sign that's in front of me right here of an album my desk and my seventh month running out. That's not a metaphor for anything. Keep knocking it over. I hope i'm I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna see if i'm still in good standing. You know what i mean. I think that's important and i. I don't usually lead our with this sort of thing. Certainly on the rich eisen show radio network or on the show. but i'll just say I i had an intense game of battleship yesterday with with coop intense. I loved one ship needed. He did battle now do you. I don't i don't let him win. No no no i'm saying. Do you win. Like the walls are closing in. Do you kinda like move it around off. After the game started i mean. Are you asking me if i cheat vying. Nine year old son meeting his dad and battle shun saying like you know you only got one ship laugh. Maybe it's the two guys guy and then you're like shoot miss. No i don't chris. How first of all. I don't cheat an it's it's like the game of chess in battleship. You place your your boat down prior to the game. Starting yes i mean once you remove your finger from the peace. That's it that's your move. That's it yeah. But the like. It's like the computer. The wa- the wall in front so they can't really see what you're doing but like you know all A fourteen we electron one when we were kids. Like uh the first one because my brother we were notorious to cheat doing exactly brockman was saying cheaters. Brockman jeep. Did you solve a rubik's cube by snapping all the pieces off and then placing them back. Together i did. I don't have the patience. I did that. Brockman was definitely the kid who would kick the nintendo at the end of a super tech game. If he was about the losing saxton like ball it reset himself thousand percents. And what's going on rich. Eisen show ep don buoy. Who's back there just got in. My ear inn reminded me that chris. Brockman is the man who handles all of our funds when we are bet para mutually on Ran the triple crown races true. And he's you doing with our funds. If you're if you're asking me if i my nine year old battleship victory and then you you kick you kick an intendo device just to use the. Oh it reset. I mean also i have also come through the front door and said if i was hit and it's okay say look powerballs six hundred million tonight right. Hey if we all pull our money together all by all of our tickets. I'm also the guy who have openly said if i'll one of those tickets happen to hit wouldn't ever hear from me again so we we know what we're doing we're doing what the devil that definitely you know. Do not say to him. Hey man just zipped up my iron wallet with all my bitcoin. Would you take my password and make sure something happened. I forget my password. That's on that's unu- brockman. Having a my tie in fiji is that part of their news. update we're about to get to cling bitcoin guy by the way we talked about it yesterday yesterday. Show that there's a guy with two hundred twenty million of bitcoin. His iron wallet forgot his password. He's got two more guesses to go and if he doesn't get them right it's over. He can't ever access it. They shut it down by the way. How about that. Doesn't the iron wallet. Sound like something. From game of thrones to three. I raven to secure the iron wallace. Trial by combat. King of the north's iron wallet. Yeah also eighties metal band works. What's in your iron wallace at least twenty million bitcoin. Better be able to get while. I would have tattoo that password somewhere like somewhere that man come on momento it. That's like pulling a munson. Come on so and and but this is kind of like you chris. Brockman the the the chris brockman that we've all known to love and occasionally tolerate. It's a push poll of daddy. Chris brockman would you cheat own like one day when cage can actually played. Battleship are really going to move your your three banger submarine boat around the or is that it's three three three four back the battleship. I guess i guess my like board game cheating days or with my brother. My sister. Because i can't live beautiful boy like yeah i know so honestly him that like look. Winning comes at a cost so you know come at the king. Dome it no. I don't think you're ever going to be the dad to let your kid let him win. Unborn children unless although although i do believe the shop is closed. If you have a daughter different story my shops closed. You know. I'm telling you not played battleship with honestly like ev with my daughter. It's like literally six. Hey hey. I don't think i've ever advocate. No i'm sorry. I meant to say it honest. He's never played battleship. Why i mean no. I don't think today's obviously but was me. My brother franken i. We played for days New new poll. What's the puts the best board till i figured he cheater. Well gets throttled ship a board but it is in the realm of of it. But it's also it's what's great about. It is fifteen minutes twenty minutes done like when my kids say. Let's play monopoly. It's just like i don't have four and a half hours. We write down where they were life. Game alive you'd have to write down where they were donnas goodwin. Would you let your kid win. A board game. Yes or no proof. Okay got the age of ten under the tender ten. Would you let them win. A board game i say no you gotta you gotta. That's what the board game as you learn this one and then it's august conversation. This is this is the second when. I'm out there on the hoops court. Okay and they're like cover me. Dad i will reject them i. I'm the current construct is. I'm manute bol compared to them right now with dumbo. I am yeah. I mean i don't i don't i don't do the finger wag thing but i will you know no no. No i mean if you want if you say cover me i will i will. I will do that. and you can't. Just you know. Shoot it from the chest. You've gotta you know. I'm just trying to visualize rich just rejecting rowing all of his kids either basketball just like someone down. I mean honestly don't even have to. Tom correct you have to teach your children well and that means failure. While not an option you is a learning tool makes in a pump. Fake are jab step like my right go underneath figure it out problem solve which is something we tell our children all the time and get a point to life for the kids are going to be able to beat you anyway on their own without chintzy. Seema's victory to get right battleship. Do i ever move the peace around on my child a matter with my gosh every every year for christmas. My niece niagara and i play uno for money on. It's usually for the chris money she has so it'd be towns we're like i'll take took sixty five bucks from her late to christmas in the group mad about it whatsoever. All she She at that point she was twelve But i gave it back to her before. I let so. What are the board games that you we didn't. Would you let your kid win at board games. Richeisenshow poll is. Who's got the best chance to pull the upset this week. The four underdogs rams ravens browns bucks. Okay i think. I know what the answer to that is going to be. Only one of those underdogs is tom. Brady quarterbacking oh. That's a good point. I think that's we'll see at richeisenshow post it voter News update christopher a headache. Please talk report of the day's news from the world of sports and entertainment. Someone who is not a journalist or newsman. By any definition of the word whatsoever. Chris brockman could lose my brother and sister. You know what i mean. You've got to finagle the board. That's not news So the bears shocked kind of a lot of people today. They're going to retain ryan pace and matinee guy chairman. George mccaskey said quote. It's not the easiest or most popular decision. But they believe they're the best for the bears so they're back. No contract extensions however So they're on their current deals. George mccaskey added. We need to get better at the quarterback position to be successful in no kidding. I'm impressed with both of them. Said with nagy and and ryan pace. Are you impressed with matt nagy. I do like matt when he calls in. And you know If he was if he was tasked with making sure trubisky gets a second contract he failed. I mean that's be honest. If he's not being held responsible by ownership that's on ownership if that was the plan coming in you're hired make trubisky work and and the offense b e is failed that now. If you're somebody's like. I believe in his abilities and let's see if he can coach the contract. How many years does he have left. This one more coming up easy going to be a coaching for his contract next year. We've seen that happen before and And give him out if you will one more shot and also if you haven't fired your coach by now you're behind the april chris. I'm sure part of your news. Update coming up right now is going to be telling us. All the coaches that are on second interviews where they're being interviewed right now. I mean bears are behind. Every single team fired their coach the sunday of week. Seventeen or the monday after it were behind. The lions falcons and texans to begin with and everybody else's coaching search has been going on for week. And you've got an hour. Wait till certain coaches are done that have already interviewed places. Let's say you love robert sala. He's with the jets right now for a second interview. He might not even be let out of the building jets. Might be like you like us. We like you. Here's the contract offer. Let's give you a few minutes. You wanna talk it over with your agent and your family go for it. But we'd like to be done today. If you do robert you okay with that. Would you be talking about that in a second but my point for the moment is for the bears. You look around and you're like we like these people. But i don't know we'll have a shot on because we've waited so long. Let's just stick with these two guys. We know the building. The building knows them and they're going to be coaching for their jobs. At twenty eight and twenty been in the playoffs twice three years right. They made through last week. But when you're the seven seat who makes it. And then you get waxed by the second-seeded saints that shows you how far you still are. And you're three plus years now into this program and the quarterback that the general manager traded up to go get instead of taking two other clear generation talented players. You're going to let that guy still go and be with the coach. That's why i was saying we'll talk about it with called branson the finish of the season. The finish of the season might paper over what clearly needs to be done or is the necessary piece to stick with two people. You believed in back in the day and despite the howling in the crowd. You're holding up your game. Plan in your leather satchel like your coach dale and hoosiers and say this is my concept in those people on the floor and twenty twenty one as the kids say it in chicago chuck pagano chicago. Coaching news announced retired. I know and he one of the great guys and his because right guys who the defense was dynamite. The only reason why. That's the only reason why the bill the br seven seed is. The defense was well. Enough was playing well enough and was so good that when david montgomery started running the ball with success and trubisky wasn't making the mistakes. They're winning football games. But if you want to use his comparison overall they weren't close to the second seeded team and in division. They played three strong quarters with the packers in week. Seventeen before it fell apart so good luck. Espn's jeremy fowler. Saying wouldn't be surprised. Doug peterson takes a year off coaching. That means that he hasn't gotten calls from the jets and the chargers what that means to me. 'cause all the coach coaching again. You know all other crouching nugget interviews here for most you know hiring processes were long down the road and unless the jets didn't call him up right away and say. Hey you're free. I know you. I'm joe douglas. You know me and you know my owners think the world of you come on up here. Let's let's get this thing done. I mean we. We can put a pin in everything that we've done so far just to kick the tires on you or chargers saying the same thing and that's my my reading of that is he's under contract he's gonna get paid take a year off and come back fresh. When you're a year removed from nate. Sud feldon everything else going on. Enjoy your it's not like he's just you know what i'm just beat down by this sort of thing and that's the way i'm viewing. I don't speak to the guy. I don't know but i've just been around the block enough. Is it if the jets and chargers said hey. Do you wanna come and get the second overall selection. Hey do you want to be justin. Herbert's head coach. Doug peterson wouldn't be letting it be known he might just take the year off and as we've seen five six seven eight jobs open up every single year. Like what if he will be top coaching candidate in two thousand twenty one on on black monday. Yeah so lastly. Urban meyer looks like say at san diego. The chargers are putting their hand in their continuing to look and explore or a candidate. Accordion rappaport the two sides have spoken recently so like urban has its choice between jacksonville and here in la man jacksonville. Aren't you get really anti. Yeah we talk to you. Haven't we got came on my boat. If you're shot con- you came on my boat. You know the state of florida coach travel. Aren't we got trevor lawrence hundred million in cap space. But if shod con of state income tax if shod con does in fact want roster control. He did say that he controlled had roster control and twenty twenty if he does want that that That would turn me off as a head coach. That's for sure. I don't know if that's the case or not. They might have already hammered that out but if urban been told this is your job we want you. This is the price. that's trevor lawrence. This is the guy that where you want to hire a general manager. This is the staff that you got. What's taking so long. Why the charges able to swoop in the you know daniel jeremiah. Said hey you can win faster with justin. Herbert and this roster in los angeles but they'd have to pay him more. Whatever whatever you would be making in code florida you know. What are the differences. You know gavin newsom takes more than descent telling you all right. We'll take a break here on the rich eisen. Show kyle brandt bears fan good morning. Football co host ten questions with kyle brandt. Podcast always a dynamite conversation. We need joins us any will. Do it went next. Do you own or rent your home. 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This is one was this november december crisis right around there early november steps to the podium and he starts talking about how somebody you stole past. Come to the podium. They just had tournament jeans. Ripped up jeans holes in omen. I heard it. And i said you know what if we set that to music. It sounds like a country music song we figured you know what Since you are an award winner you are as good as they come back. You are traced and where you're so humble. Let me talk about this. We'd so we figured we wrote the lyrics out we wrote his soliloquy out for you right. Do we have the right there. And but again what did set it up however you wish your own way of doing it. Here we go trace adkins everyone the rich eisen show doing nick saban's hotter. We just want to know how we got here not to offend anybody out there but i just walked by some jeans wore out jeans holes in them all cut up. I just remember when i was a kid in west virginia. I was ashamed. Go to school. 'cause my jeans wore out only because we didn't have any better alabama and i just wanna know how we can you tell me. How did we get to here. Don't understand these kids day will never will somebody. Please please tell me. how did we get a bull. How did we get is that. All right Somebody just manager just a few minutes ago. Showed me the new lambinon that we have for our two or this year we were we. We know what we're gonna call this this year. So i hope there's no copyright infringement tour. She going to be the. How did we get here. great back. You're on the rich eisen. Show eight four. Four zero four riches. The number to dial as always here on wednesday just Always a fun frolic of a conversation co host of good morning football. His podcast very popular. Podcast on spotify. Ringer is ten questions with kyle. Brad joining us back here on the rich eisen show. How are you kyle brandt. I'm great rich. And then i had to come in and follow the voice of trace adkins. I sound like pee wee herman compared to him no easy task. I know everybody sounds like Like peewee herman sir After now this is the dog race rich. He came in when we did this. The company football nashville. When we're doing our show from footsie's he came in s formed and we had a guest host and michigan man. That day taylor lewan and he had a lot of takes on trace adkins including his favorite song of trace adkins which is called honky tonk but duncan dock and burlington and i broke up dying laughing. Great guy the voice from god and maybe from the devil amazing. There's no doubt about it. Kyle brandt Here on the rich eisen show. Let's see where do we start Chris did anyone hold a press conference today retaining their general manager and coach great question. I think so what What city did that john is chicago. Brent your thoughts going on the cynically lake forest illinois where my childhood is about one and a quarter mile from halas hall and man I peyton sheets on that childhood. Bed and I've had a lot of great days as a bears. enthusiast. I call myself. Today was a really kind of mystifying one. I will say this This process that they're going through is very slow and very annoying which is ironic because two guys named pace and nagy. It's right on the nose. And i would say I i love being positive about the league about the teams show. And i find it really difficult with this team them saying we got the message. Today from the bears was basically like trust us. We gotta we we. We have a plan. We're gonna figure this out. And i just i watch the packers game. Never mind the saints game for a second. I watched the packers game. They're not playing the same sport as their alleged biggest rival. It's just not there and so that's fine. You get down and you get. Aaron rodgers is great so what are the sweeping changes. I know it's very difficult to make. But and then got on my soapbox here to to really change and organization to change. The culture changed the product. You gotta slit some throats and you gotta fire some good men and you got to do some things you don't want to do and we've seen it a million times where good football men lose their jobs and move on and it was the best thing ever. I don't think the los angeles rams wanted to. Fire jeff fisher. He's a great man guy. Everybody believes in them. Look at what they've done since then and i don't want matt nagy state love nagy. I love pace having met both these guys. They're great dudes. But i think is chicago's sick of hearing that and i can't conscionable come on your show and be like i loved it. I'm glad they're back. It's it's a problem and I i don't even know who the quarterback is. So we get another quarterback yet. Well you got the quarterback got a defensive coordinator. That'll be an important higher because the there shouldn't be any shortage of candidates except for the fact that candidates have already been hired. You know what i mean. so so. that's the problem here. Is that if you know You wanna make a change and the only coach. I guess they could have jumped on. Who hasn't been already interviewed or once or or is going to be otherwise retained for a while and already on other radar screens and his may be already interviewed would be doug peterson who it seems will be available in two thousand twenty one if you make that move I feel the same way about. Sam darnold as well just to i guess. Continue the script of talking about our our teams that we we wear our hearts under sleeves in our professional Capacities as well is is good guy. Great you know great kid and face the franchise but it's just a what what's more look if if we had to put a poll question up darnold is going to take the jets where they wanna go anyway and nagy is gonna take the bears where they wanna go anyway or none of the above. I think none of the above would win one hundred percent in that poll question. You know what i'm saying and it's not like that. These people don't know how to do it. It's just you know. Times run. A course unfortunately. And i think if you're a bears fan you watch and you say it's one thing that we're not winning the you know we were eight. Four one of the players right nine we. We hired matt nagy for his offensive acumen and we pretty much scored three points in a playoff game. Three like until the last walk off. Touched on jimmy graham. He ran out the tunnel. So we're not losing forty one to thirty rich. it's they don't have any offense and he didn't draft her biscuits a stepchild for him. That's fine so we picked bowl's full back to it's like they've had everything and listen. It wasn't that long ago when and the bears were good. And i'm talking about a pre. Marc trestman lovey smith. Bears ran the hell out of the ball. Great offensive line great pass rush and they had something they could do it and it could beat farve sometimes. Now it's like it's tough to say we got it and that was the message today because they haven't earned that and i. i hate saying that about the bears. I wish they did have it. But i haven't seen that they do. Kyle brandt here on the rich eisen show. Okay let's let's be more positive than let's let's love scott. Yes i'd love to. So i saw last week. And you know you've been doing this quite a bit on good morning football but this one resonates with me because one of my favorite movies of all time is network at anybody who works in this industry On television radio. What have you in the communications industry. It's it's required. Viewing that movie from from the nineteen seventies the mid seventies and the character. Peter that peter finch played wanna an oscar for posthumously. Might add the the newsman howard beale who went crazy on the air and the rest of the country. Actually kind of Loved it because he was a plane speaker. I mean the the the number of items from this film that actually saw the future is truly insane but you you are now taken to on good morning football using famous movie soliloquies and speeches to inspire teams. And you did that. For the the cleveland browns. This past week. I didn't correct where you got a trench coat right. I assume that's not your trench coat that was provided to you you gotta rain trenchcoat. The hardest part of that whole thing. It wasn't the execution idea. It was finding them. I mean can anybody i can think of. Do you have a trenchcoat. yes old. London fog is eventually. I found one friend of a friend and it was like That my my white whale okay. Because you can't do it without the trench coat and look like you just came in from the pouring rain and lost your mind and the neat thing is that you you. I think you inspired you. Saw so people on twitter like a little kid. Go to a window on behalf of the cleveland. Browns and scream. I'm mad as hell. I'm not gonna take it anymore. Which which means you. You've brought some good to the world i try. I thought it was really cool. And which. I think he would really appreciate the the behind the music of how that came together. Because it's interesting from a generational standpoint. I was speaking one of our producers about or. Here's what i wanna do. I wanna do the networks speech. And i'm going to pick the browns to beat the steelers and this this producer. I'd say maybe thirty and he says what's the network and i go. You know mad as hell. And i'm not gonna take it anymore. And he goes. I don't know what that is. Linke watches it and his feedback. Which i respect was. I don't know if you wanna go with this. Like i don't know this. My generation does not. I don't think this'll be big online. And i you know what i don't care. Of course they don't want it to be big on big online but this this is more important than that. This is the message comes first and he to his credit. Said you should probably go with something else. And i'm like no i'm not going with anything else. And here's why because that was specifically picked for browns fans who the young stands. Don't appreciate what that game meant as much as the older ones. These are browns fans in their forties fifties and sixties. Who have gone through this for twenty five years. With the browns they understand howard beale. They remember they in on tiktok but they know what it's like to be mad was picked for a very specific reason that a thirty year old would not understand well. It was brilliant. So i'd like to set up some divisional playoff games for the coming weekend What what Do you have any other film soliloquies or speeches that might that you could Deliver right here on the rich eisen show that is specific to any of the teams For this coming football weekend well the The underdog jump out of course okay and It the rams have a really tall order really tall and You know i was looking into this. And jared goff aaron rodgers to cal guys. It's probably going to be goff i. There's a nugget In since since twenty sixteen in freezing cold temperatures games. Aaron rodgers ten zero with twenty five touchdowns and one interception. Jared goff has thrown five interceptions and no touchdowns he's one. It's a miserable comparison and that's absolutely perfect motivational speech. So you know what i would do. I would do something. I've done before a couple of years back. I would do the norm. Dale from hoosiers and i would say i would break out the tape measure and i would say the goal posts right here. It's it's the same height as the one. We haven't so fi stadium. The sideline is the same distance from the end zone. It's the same same distance ten yards. I would get the tape measure out. I did that a few years ago. When the colts went into arrowhead during the andrew luck last run and frank reich and they had such a young team arrowhead was so imposing and i did the norm dale speech about. Let's go out and get these guys. It did not work for the colts. That i don't know if it will work for the rams but eddie time you listened to the hoosier speech it gets the blood gone and you tell aaron donald that you want to know what flavor gum. Aaron rodgers is june. Find it right and you go up to erin. And i'll just look at sean mcvay and just say denting something like that. Oh god i love that movie. That's good that said you know. The one last year was the for. The younger audience is ross. Street is an is that. I'm not leaving and i would say that. That's more of a favourite. That's more of a favourite who everyone's saying you know they're kinda ripe that'd be knocked off. They're not so hot right now. I would that would probably have to put that one on the saints because the drew brees. I'm not believing that would be about his retirement. Right help my home. That's that's drew brees to the team's about the idea that the bucks are gonna come in and tom brady is going to end his season and his career. I would say that would be The wolf of bourbon street we swell bourbon street every body. I love that Have you ever used the always be closing speech. You done that. One yet. From glengarry glen ross. Have you done that one yet. That watch that watch cost more than your car. I have not done it rich. it's Would that be good for the always be closing. Who would that be for. Coffee's for closers. Who would that be four right now. Would that be for brady. Close close Lifted he'd look at everybody and and and show off the watch that the good team who gives a bleep. Good quarterback bleep. You go home and be with your fans. I wanna work here close. I like it rich. I juice closer young. You're out on the playoff. i'd like it and then you know To would be the machine right. I mean that would be breezy. The machine was passed. I'm right. I don't know but he's not. I got pumped into neighbor friday. I'm going to do on good morning football. And give me an idea I'm going to pick an upset and it's going to get a lot of people as it did last week when i took bronze over steelers. And let's just say. I probably will be worrying some brown plaid pants and We might be In the seventies about to go up against the soviets and ice hockey ready. You're gonna bust. I'm you're gonna bust out the the kurt russell version of her brooks. I might. Let's us say i'm looking over. I'm looking through amazon furiously for brown plaid pants and even harder to find the person who gave you the jazz but say go to the person who gave you the go to the inspector gadget in your life who coughed up that trenchcoat trenchcoat and you gave me the The the norm dale tape measure to now. I need some her brooke plaid pants. And after that. If you could give me some william walls blue warpaint for my oh man so you know what i mean. That's the miracle is one of the greatest sports movies ever and and and the reason why say that is you know i was eleven years old one thousand nine hundred eighty so i remember it like the day. I remember it like yesterday. I remember it like yesterday when you know we my my brother. My brother jeff was in charge is two years older than me. He's in charge of all sports blackouts in in my household and what that means was back in the day when anything was tape delayed on television yes kids. Things were not shown live. They were held off until prime time. Because you couldn't put it on whatever. There was no nickelodeon back in the day. You can slime slime the soviets right so So we had a wait to see it so we went into sports blackout. No traffic and weather together. My parents couldn't listen to the radio like nothing. So i remember that to this day and i remember what it meant to beat the soviets and in the same way again that we all thought that the world series ended when the ball went through bucknor's legs there was another game against the fens right and so there's another game and that was nerve wracking to i clearly by stating that know how this movie is going to end. And i'm still biting my fingernails watching miracle. I'm not incredible. It's so good. And he's is so good there. There's a part of it s a particular line. That's my favorite part in in the russell speech and i think it applies to some of the games this weekend. He's in the middle of it and make no mistake. He doesn't just say we got this. We got this federal better. There's a part where he says if we played them ten times my lose nine but not this one not tonight and i love that because there's a humility. It's saying listen. I'm not gonna lie to you guys. These guys are incredible. And i look at somebody like the rams and the packers. And i look at somebody certainly like the browns and the chiefs chiefs and packers might win nine out of ten but it takes one and listen. I'm already getting goosebumps now. It's the best me too me too it. It really is because it is truly a possibility. We cannot sit here and say it is impossible. We cannot sit here and say the is impossible. And and i. I love speeches like that. I just feel good. It's Let me pick your brain on this. There's a there's a. I think there's a branding quandary going on with the league. Because last week we talked so much about super wildcard weekend electric next weekend. We'll be championship weekend. Divisional round weekend. It won't do it. Needs something needs imagine some possess. Yes it needs an adjective correct. You can't just go soup by the way The way i always said it it it. It brought wylie coyote to mind by. I always say it Super wildcard weekend. Pretty wile e. coyote right there so dynamite division weekend. I don't know i other than that in complicated You can't definitive now. no good. We've we've taken on good morning. Footballs you have tried to call it. The throwdown round which is just something we threw together off the top of our heads. But you can't. I mean listen. Ncw tournament sweet. Sixteen gold nc little tm right next to the trademark. Good divisional you go to then you to route. It sounds like a bad geometry class. They don't want to be in so somebody has to figure this out and if we did we can this. Is something divisional next. I don't know the tag elite. That's it oh man. I love the ultimate tag division winners china tag wildcard. Winter's here they come brought to you by dr. Derek watt introduced at the coin. flip ohio. You're coming on the show for months and one constant is talking about less and talking about The movie The running around all of the to bedrock rich. It is ultimate attacking the running again. The fact again. You're you're recall of pop. Culture is Unrivaled sir but when we first talked about the running man and of all the references to the running man that you had at your fingertips where the names of the three members numbers of the resistance that were supposedly On the beach. But we're really held hostage price and in the maui son rich. I remember them. My birth ever fantasy team was called whitman. Dominic davis in the first row. They never worked out davis on the beach opposed to be on the beach but instead he was held in held hostage. I'll be back but again who one of the greatest greatest greatest pieces of casting was turning. Richard dawson evil was just really spectacular. It was he was evil. Yeah concerto alonzo was naive. Couldn't believe witten price on dodd. Were there and then. Jim brown is going to go lighter on fire before i let you go. We started this hour with me talking. About how i played a mean game of battleship with my nine year old coop yesterday. How old are your children car. I've got seven and four and a half okay. So you're not yet there. We're currently but asked who we play that. Okay guests chris. Brockman ask cow brand our poll question at richeisenshow co ford now. Kyle would you your kid win at board games. Yes or no listen i. It's an employee. Paddick yes. I just played guests. Who where you say well do. They have a moustache the monocle. I'm making up all sorts of nonsense to try to just throw the game. Never meant this was. My equivalent of jalen hurts rich. There was no integrity into my guests who game. I'm guessing well. Are they wearing a crown either riding a horse just dragging my feet finally got his act together on one. So it's an emphatic emphatic. Yes i felt it again. The bolton but flip the script ask him the question that you thought you know that you you asked me. What would you cheat. Yes so kyle. You're losing andrew battleship. What i moved the shit on my son. Would you move the little to guy around just to prolong the do that kyle. You're telling me you're saying well. Listen they looking so pretty on the high seas here take in my destroy around eight nine through twelve. Maybe i just slide it down to I think i would do that with my wife. But not my father of the year but not husband of the year not carl. Thanks for the call man Near the bathroom back at you. Checkout his podcast. Ten questions. With kyle. Brandt ring spot. Got fantastic. I just love when com comes on this show man all right eight four four two zero four rich number two dow rich eisen show barry. Sanders are hall of fame. Friend still to come here on the program. Got my residuals. And if you don't mind i'd like to crow about my career. My residual checks sitting right here. I've got four envelopes. Which one through four you choose which one do. Let's let's pick number two. I number two. I here we go. We go billy bob thornton residual check that you have probably from like knots. Landing matlock them for like thirteen cents all the time. Yeah from marijuana. Lock one scene or some early eighties. Okay well this one is from. Let's see right here. this one is from. Csi miami caged. I can't believe this is insane. Billy nuts is a real real. What from syndication. One hundred fifty. Nice job nice job. This is a record billy. Why don't you more fun. i'm telling you you can actually afford to send us into to cash. Usually th there must be a decimal point off. It's usually a dollar fifty three right. What's caruso making fun. Making one hundred recall. Bob thornton mike. Good luck charm feeling about this. This is four. Csi miami deep free. Oh depraved pre k. The other episode caged bruce for one hundred fifty three bucks. Deep-freeze appropriately named three dollars and nine cents. Everybody and how ironic that. Your name is rich landing a friendly rancher or something on there. I had my scene with With ted shy you were officially called the timber. Man you're timmerman. You were timber matlock. You are a pawnshop cork phone shop clerk. I remember that pawn shop clerk on matlock. I cannot wait to have in studio guests back again right. And then we will. I do have like eight residual checks that have not been opened. I'm hoping i'm i'm i'm i'm reserving undeserving needs You could hold them and wait for that. But after ninety days though. I right after ninety days. Post to be no bueno. Anyone and i'd be maybe we should just do which is just do another segment like that role at right. She we should we shoot. It could shoot it. Oh you have. The nation missionary on was eight cents and his rounded the celebrity guests goto. That's right it's from rounders. Oh man we're back here on the rich eisen show radio network rejoining us here on our friends at peacock. Eight four four two zero four rich is the number to dial great. Shot with cobb rat right there. Man i gotta show up. You know what just reminds me. I should show my kids miracle that would total one hundred percent right movie. Amazing i think i cried. You know I think i cried at the end. You have to theater when they do. They know it's going to happen. Exactly like spoiler alert. I am i truly am on the edge of my seat after to be. You know it's so good. I know i saw We had josh lucas here. Prior to the pandemic for ford versus ferrari remember that gray movie. Glory road just celebrated in anniversary. That fell another good one you know. Gotta show the rookie. The rookies greg. I missed it up watching the rookie on a plane then rookie. I is it. Fatherhood is softened me in a way where i cry at commercials now but just that movie about with jim morris right. The pitcher who actually did play for tampa and Just finding out what's real and what's not in a sports movie is. It's something that i'm interested in knowing and other times not like again We had the director david on spa. Who directed both rudy and Hoosiers on the show. He came on in the spring. Because i went so all in on rudy that he'd said that about what a fraud he is. And how. I can't stand and that david on spa called me up to say that rudy has heard what i said in wants to fight me like the real rudy. The real rudy wants to fight me celebrity death match right. You know my answer to that would be. hey rudy. If you wanna fight me we just gotta make sure if we do set it up and that where each other's corners that you don't you don't go off sides too soon you know like wow you stay in your corner jump aggressive at least true like you know. It's not really wasn't carried off on his shoulder like you know montana. The whole thing is there's a photograph of him i slack. I don't know who that kid is looking. Very collins worth like and So he said that hoosiers is less real than rudy. He called rudy and the adaptation of the real story. He called it a. Ken burns documentary compared to hoosiers because angelo pizzo. Who is the writer of both of those films as well. That david onslow is an indiana man through and through. And that's part of the reason why he did rudy and hoosiers to sports stories based in the great state of indiana that he said that they send angelo pizza to indiana the old mile in high right to find out about the story to kick some rocks around and find out about this story of this small school that eventually was hickory in the film that did win the championship. Like that's a true story. That's the true story in which hoosiers was based and he said david on spas said that pitso called him up and said we don't have a movie. What do you mean he goes. There's no there there. there's no stories. There's no like the biggest thing they overcame was like one guy was late to practice one day. That's that was the biggest hump to overcome. Otherwise just one game. They on games and they won this championship. And that's the story like there's so they made everything up name. it coach. Dale made up. Jimmy chitwood made up the fact. That teacher was a guardian for jimmy chitwood and then had different romantic relationship with the coach. Whose background was checkered past in. This was his moment to try and make it back himself made up. Then it's hopper made up All of it made up. Picket fence made up my teams on the floor. Eight up and i'm like wearing the rim. I was like and then the worst part about it because hoosiers his mind moving the worst part about it is the famous montage when hickory was just beginning to get its traction and just beginning to win some games and then there's that montage where they're winning games and they were laughing on the bus and it's it's great it's click and you see a shot of dennis hopper whose sober on the bench coach. Sales reclamation project is working and they're laughing on the bench slapping hands on knees. David said dennis hopper before he passed away told him that hackman thought. This was such a horrible movie that that told them right before. The cameras rolled in. The camera was rolling stones to them. This movie so bad. It's going to ruin our careers and hopper laughed and slapped him on the knee and that's what they used in the movie. So sometimes don't try and find out what's real in sports movies or not but in the rookie wall surreal was him ball past assign miles per hour signed and then not knowing that he stole ninety. I mean oh my gosh real stuff. Leonard fournette barry sanders. Coming up but rudy was real. You know the place of the. Dan devine said that he would have cut every last one of the players that said our jerseys are on the desk would have accepted. Their jerseys are where we're not playing for rudy. He's not playing. Well see i've speaking with jerseys James harden might be a new one soon so here i am starting to show saying. It's not gonna happen for him and it's going to happen. Yeah shams is saying that it's Looks like it's either going to be brooklyn or philadelphia nets a huge package of They offer reported carry one of them now. Four first round picks and three picks swops and then The sixers deal. Is ben simmons and a bunch of picks. That sounds kind of crazy. I turn to my fill. You want ben simmons out the door and incomes heart. I love ben simmons. It's hard to say. No the james harden right. Here's the thing is i am. I am officially an. I'm out call. I am pleased. You guys stopped me now. On what mike. I wouldn't break my team up for x. Y. and z. Yeah there's always get or learned. My lesson in there will always be an nba team willing to redo things right here right now in the middle of a pandemic philadelphia again the philadelphia seventy sixers the other day but just turn over the apple cart. Send it all out and let's get hard in here right now. Thing is a brooklyn has done the same thing before garnett and pierce back in the day when we wrong. i guess. Garnett and pierce's workman at that point. So it would be hard and kyrie and durant after all all of us. Yeah but then you award hardened for for a the way. He's conducted his business for the last few weeks. But if you're houston you have no choice. Mellow is basically said it. Yeah houston got john wall. They're basically saying this is my shot. This guy who hasn't won like it's just nine games. What the hell's his problem out. So i mean houston if that happens. They handle that now. It sounded the shawn watson figuring. That one out is andre johnson. Your thoughts wow right. wow. I'm done though i am out saying such and such player. Don't break your team up and nobody's going to be interested. I've learned my lesson. Start the show an hour. One st. hardens nut going anywhere in our three he might.

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Mason and Ireland HOUR ONE

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Mason and Ireland HOUR ONE

"Yeah. That is a thirty degree twenty nine degree growl twenty nine degrees. Twenty nine degrees and snowing here in beautiful youtall. We are expecting rain here in Los Angeles. By the time, we start driving home. I guess rush hour. If it rains today lessons to chance at ranger in the game tomorrow, exactly get out of the way, it's supposed to rain all night and into tomorrow morning, but clear up in time for the you don't high. No, it's going to rain. My foot hurts like hell the foot bustling that with all the so I've got a nine screws in a plate in my right foot from something stupid. We did on one of our shows. And so now what happens is the weather affects when the barometric pressure goes low the metal in my foot starts to aches. So I'm like this senior not making this up. Oh, no hundred percent. I know exactly when it's going to rain. I know when there's a low pressure system coming in because my star, Matt I am no. It's going to happen before it happened. Let me tell you something. If if some TV station was smart in town. They would hire me to do their weather. Just just based on my foot. It's not your foot. That would get you hired. The interesting thing is if you noticed that now I've already said, I'm picking the Rams. Yes. Pete the cowboy yes. To twenty four. Yes. Plus, you think the score will be what I think the score will be thirty one Twenty-one ramps. Right. The mo-. Have you noticed though that the so-called experts? Yeah. Lot of people lot of can Dallas. I know. So I thought. What I would do is throw at you. Some of the reasons why these people are picking Dallas and let you counter that. Okay. Yep. All right. So let me throw a couple of these Atra. All right. The Cowboys defense against top-five scoring offenses this year. So when they have to play a really good often. Right. They've been great sixteen points allowed. That's I in the NFL two hundred seventy three total yards allowed. That's I NFL one hundred fifty one yards passing. I in the NFL writes a loud and four point seven yards per play. I in the NFL. That's when they play a top five defense. Minimum offense played three of them. Right. So why isn't that a big deal? No deal or. That's a legit deal. I mean, it's just looking at the pro football focus scores for the Rams offensive line and h-have Stein. Saif old Whitworth had been great Austin Blyth, and and John Sullivan have been terrible. So there's there's no question that that Cowboys defensive line. I think is going to have a very very good day. Now, I will say this. The Dallas defense is twenty seventh in the league against play action passing. And the Rams do more play action passing than anybody. They were in two hundred six play action passes during the year that was the most by a lot. So that is a weakness for the Cowboys. I also think that ultimately this is where Sean McVay is going to earn his money. I mean, we've seen the same set the same front the same. Scheme the same everything all year long. What is Sean McVeigh going to dial up tomorrow? I would say Mace that, you know, this is the old her Brooks line. If you lose this game, you'll take it to your grave. Amen may lose this game. It will be around his neck all of next year. Yes. Because he's already proven. He's a great regular season coach that in the regular season. I think McVay might win four or five divisions in row. I mean, it's just really good. But you get judged differently in the playoffs. And if he gets to home playoff games. Yep. In his first two years and loses them both. Then I think that that critics are gonna hang that around its neck. Okay. So let me throw another counting McVeigh to do something magical. But you think that is that is those are legitimate arguments about halfway legitimate going to solve the rubik's. Yes. Okay. So. He here's more when the Rams lost just one game in the first three months of the season. It was in large part because Jared Goff played like an MVP, right? Goff's numbers fell off a cliff in the final month and the Rams could be in big trouble in December. If it carries over to the playoffs he played well in the final two games as the Rams beat up on teams with the NFL's to worse records. He was terrible in his last two contests against actual competition. Posting passer ratings of nineteen point one and seventy six in losses to Chicago and Philadelphia Goth through no touchdowns and five interceptions and just five yards per play. In those games. Steve Mason, respond offensive line had its absolute worst game in Chicago and had an equally bad game in Philly. It really I think the entire game is going to be centered on the offensive line when? Jared Goff has got time. He is fine. He's not Russell Wilson. He's not Ben Rothlisberger. He's not guy who moves the pocket. He's guy who does really well with enough time to throw an off play action. It really is going to come down to the line. I don't attribute for example. I mean, I'm looking at the office of line scores for the Rams when they played at you Kogyo jerk off had no time at all. I mean, he had eleven hurries in that game. And sometimes, you know, he's not yet that guy who is perfect when he is facing a blitz or facing a big rush or he's got guys in his in his face. So I mean, I think again I'm going to go back to the offense of line and say it's critical that they protect Jared Goff. Right. But what makes you think the offensive line is going to be better than they were against Philadelphia and Chicago, well, I'll say this. So for example. Rob haven Stein. His offense of line score. Seventy sixty four seventy seven seventy eight seventy eight on a score on a count of one to one hundred consistent, very consistent Sappho old. Excellent whitworth. Excellent. We assume that he's going to be healthy. I have to believe that that this line is going to play better. And in fact, in the last two games, if you look at the last two games, I grant you it was a gets inferior opponent s-. But John Sullivan has best game of the season in that San Francisco game. So perhaps the line has figured it out, and they will be more effective. I also Whitworth is going to be great after having. Having a week off and NBN a hundred percent. So no, I mean, I look I think this is really really tough match-up. Okay. Now, here's the one. That's the hardest to kind of counter. The Rams were a better team than the Cowboys in the regular season. They won three more games and clinch the NFC west in week thirteen but Dallas has played much better in the second half than the Rams have now talking about the Cowboys including their wildcard win over the Seahawks. The Cowboys are eight and one in their last nine games the only loss during that stretch came to the colts who the only team that have been hotter than Dallas. The Cowboys had three wins over playoff teams in the final eight weeks, which is one more than the Rams recorded when they went eight no in the first half dominating opponents with plus one. Oh nine point differential. The Rams were plus one oh nine in weeks went through eight in the second eight games of the season. LA went five three with a plus thirty four differential. So I ate games for the Rams eight. No, plus one oh nine last. Eight games five and three plus thirty four and during those games those last eight games the Cowboys when you had the wildcard win went eight and one so so the Rams might be better. But the Cowboys are hotter. Monde? Okay. I first of all I think there is. No shame in losing to New Orleans at New Orleans. That's one of the games that were we're talking about. They were down thirty five seven Chicago in Chicago down thirty five seventeen at halftime at New Orleans. They rallied back to tied at thirty five before New Orleans broke it open a little bit the bears fifteen to six again in the cold at at the what do they call that place in Chicago the. Sustains feels ultra Jens Soldier Field. I don't think there's any shame in that loss. The Rams were terrible that day, but they were facing a playoff team on the road. The eagles game is the one that that is the head scratcher. Although if you look at it all three of these losses were to playoff teams, and I wanna say a couple of things about the eagles game as bad as the Rams played and they played bad including the worst turnover of Jared goff's career. Yeah. Explicable just here you take giveaway. Right. Hopefully, he will learn from. So even with that the Rams had a chance to tie it. Or maybe win it on the last play of the game. So I mean, it's not like they got blown out by any of these. Oh, no the same it in the fourth quarter. The eagles wanted in the fourth quarter and the bears just shut him out defensively. Yeah. I you know, I am not look any of these playoff game. Can go either way. I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be s here. I mean will I be shocked if the Cowboys lose? No. But I'll be devastated will I be. I don't believe you with the Rams lose. You'll be devas Durant flutes. It'll be devastated. If the Cowboys win, I'm not necessarily going to be totally incomplete shocked. I will be devastated. If the Rams lose this game tomorrow, but I feel really good about it. I I feel like this is this is a moment for Todd Gurley to break out a little bit which is going to be incredibly important Todd Gurley in the passing game. I think is going to be those swing passes. They like to throw to him. I think we're gonna see some jet sweeps. I think we're gonna see the running game opened things up for play action and four Jared Goff. And I believe that this is a day where Jared Goff takes a big step forward as the quarterback of the ramps. All right now, I have a more important question than any of the three. I've asked him. What's that is really true? Bryan cranston's coming on the show too. Yeah. Brian's coming on next the full that off the star of that. I asked him the star of Broadway's network and also the star of the upside feature. Bring him and Kevin Hart. He will join us next. Bryan, Cranston, Mason, Ireland ESPN LA. Hey, don't forget it is fifth row Fridays. And today is the big payoff. If you've been listening everyday this week there's a question from Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday, and some we say today it'll be on the pop quiz at two thirty today with a chance to win Lakers. Tickets to see the bulls next. I think it's Wednesday, right? The bulls game is news to unite. Tonight an autograph basketball chairman's club passes. That's with the VIP lounge where all the swanky star saying out and a super gift card super cuts fifth row Fridays. Brought to you by SuperCup super cuts. You can enjoy the signature hot towel finish free of charge with every haircut. All right, Bryan. Cranston's gonna join us here in just a minute or two. We should mention Brian is on Broadway right now. You're gonna go see him. Right. Yeah. You to right. I'm going to see them all network. I'm really excited about I'm going when the Lakers play their on Saint Patrick's Day week. And you're gonna see him before me. Yeah. I'm gonna see him in in February incredibly excited about and I get to go to Saturday Night Live for the first time you've gotten to go to a couple of that will change your life. That is an Jeff Blake the guy who sets that up horse is just a great guy. And you will it's one of the coolest. I mean, that's one of my favorite shows ever. And it is one of the coolest experiences. Puckett list thing. Can't wait. I'm really excited from crazy thing is you were there when Trump was hosting. Yeah. And jeff. Felt so bad about it. Because you got to come back, man. So I got but I got to go back on a night that Kristen Stewart hosted, and it was it was great. Now, the decision you need to make when when you talk to Jeff is whether you want to go to the rehearsal the dress rehearsal. Yup. Or the live show, and it's not as simple like when I put it that way. Well, of course, I wanna go the live show. Yeah. But if you go to the dress rehearsal, which they do at eight thirty the life shows at eleven thirty the dress rehearsal has five more skits and double the weekend update. Interesting. So they do they're hitting real time. Yeah. They're testing their material right to see what goes into the final actual show. Right. So don't be discouraged. If he says, hey, would you rather go to the rehearsal because you actually get more more meat in your sandwich. Yeah. I I'm gonna I want to go to the early show. I wanna go to the early show. I wanna see all the sketches that don't make. Yeah. That's what I did too. I I really enjoyed it. And by the way, they change the audiences which is interesting. Oh, yeah. For the dresser her. Sel in one audience for the live show. That's Ryan Bryan Cranston has hosted Saturday night. Yes. She has. Yes. He has hosted. I think two seasons ago and he's been making the rounds because he's got a brand new movie coming out today. It is called the upside he and Kevin Hart and Brian joins us now. Hey, what's going on, man? Hey, guys. Oh, are you Brian great to talk to you, man? And we were just talking about Saturday Night Live. I know we're going to talk to you about the upside. But when you hosted that is that is that like, the most fun you've ever had the most work is it exhausting. What's it like to go through that week? It is like being shot out of a cannon your whole body clock changes because they work late. So you don't even get into the studio at NBC until noon or one o'clock, and then you go and chill one o'clock in the morning or so and that's geared to get you ready for that live show on Saturday night. But you don't even read the. The beginnings of any kind of sketch until Wednesday when you do there's like fifty or sixty sketches that you're breezing through one after another using characters in a broad sense. Oh, New York southern hippie. Basic accents and things that you just throwing out there trying to figure out what to do and out of the fifty or sixty sketches Lorne Michaels brings you into his room. And they and they it down to about fifteen to sixteen seventeen somewhere in there out of that. They they have pair makeup wardrobe and constructions start to work on plans for those fifteen or sixteen sketches knowing full, well, that's going to be cut down to twelve by Saturday, and you'll maybe do ten of them or so so it it's just a it's just a mazing thing. Thursday. You're for the first time, you're up. There's no sets whatsoever. And you're holding the scripts and you're trying to figure things out and you should do. And then Friday you come back, and they have rudimentary little tips that are up and. Basic things, and they all know this this c- sketches been cut forget that we're going over here. And it's just you're being pulled and pushed in all different directions Saturday there before you know, it and you do it an eight thirty rehearsal dress rehearsal, and you do those twelve sketches and then they cut about two or three of them. And then you then and they constantly changing the lines to what used to be. You'd say certain thing is now change it's just kind of chaotic in fact, it's completely chaotic but beautifully done so much fun. They know what they're doing. It's it's a great time. So how many shoes how many shows of network? Are you doing a week? Right now, we're doing seven performances on Broadway. We we were doing eight all the way through the holidays. So that was we did two months of h shows a week, and that we're doing seven do you ever? Just get sick of it. Do you ever just think man like you're doing an afternoon show? Then you're doing a night show. So you reach this crescendo in the daytime. And then you've got to go all the way back up the mountain a little bit later. And what do you do between the shows? I mean, I just don't know how it's how you can possibly do. I never want to develop it div. Mason pessimism. That kind of caustic kind of cancer is kind of attitude about things, you know. No, I don't want to get to that point. You know, I I was doing the Dan Patrick show today. And he was asking kind of like, well, how did you? How do you do the same thing every night, and I go, well, it's kind of the opposite of what he doesn't. What you guys do? You have. I do the same play the same story every night. I do have the advantage of a brand new audience every night. You're completely in rivers. You have pretty much the same audience every day, but you has to come up with different material every day, and that's equally puff for different reasons. So we we all have our challenges. We're all kind of like cicis role in the boulder up the hill. Right. Yes. Exactly. Right. Hey, brian. I was I was what we've may just talking that. We're both really excited. We're gonna come back and see you do network and intimidation of that I actually downloaded the movie onto my I pep and I have. Watched it yet. And I wanted to ask you, should I watch. It is is the I haven't seen it in probably ten years. But it's one of the greatest movies of all time or is the show different than the movie. Do you guys go down a different road? Yeah. I I would recommend that. You don't watch it. Good how but watch it afterward done. Yeah. Just I know you're coming at Macy's. You coming at the same time not at the same time. I am going to I'm going to reach out. I think we wanna come early February to see it. I'm really excited. You know? It's weird Brian. It is I've said for years one of my favorite movies of all time, our Chinatown and network, and it's just so crazy to me that you wind up doing network. I know that movie. So well, did you how much time did you? I you saw it at some point. But did you spend any time with I mean, Peter Finch won the Oscar for the role your plan? I'm mad as hell. Did you watch the movie? I watched the movie, oh, it's got to be almost three years ago. Now when I agreed to do the role, and this was in February or March of two thousand fifteen so I watched it then just to refer is myself with the tone that they struck and then that was the last I looked at it. I don't want to do what Peter Finch. Did he did a fantastic job? And I wanna make my Howard Beale my own. And so I didn't want to be influenced by him whatsoever. So I just completely pushed that aside. And and start developing my own version of and it is different from Peter finches. And but I found a different way in that. I that I feel works. Really? Well, Bryan, you're in a movie with Kevin Hart. We've had Kevin on the show many times. I don't even I'm sure he bragged you about this is a four-time celebrity all star game MVP at the NBA. AL star game. So he comes off with us a lot during the, but the thing that strikes me about Kevin is his energy is insane. I you've got this movie. The upside that comes out this week with Kevin what's it like working with that guy on a movie? I would imagine that you know, that that trying to match his energy is probably really fun. No, I don't even try to match. Oh, no. But plus, my my character is a quadriplegic, and and so the the lack of mobility and energy was appropriate. And I just had to kind of stay a little bit quiet to be able to get into that. And you know, usually I'm used to to, you know, being a leader on on a satin and bringing everybody either. And in this movie, I was able to to be the beta because Kevin was like just crazy lovable gregarious fun human being and and generous we had a great time. Everybody was was enjoyable and Nicole Kidman, and we just it's just really good in the story it self based on a true story about this wealthy, man. Who is a quadriplegic from a a hang gliding accident and. He's tired of the sycophantic people who take care of him. And and so he hires Kevin's character quite by accident because you in the wrong place at the wrong time looking for something else, and he decided to hire them because of the the the level of honesty that Kevin displays his character displays, and and he feels he can trust him. And so two begins a bonding experience with these two very disparate men from different backgrounds and cultures and economic status and privilege, and they are friends to this day almost forty years later, they're they're still friends, and even though they live in different countries. They still see each other on a regular basis. It's a it's really interesting. It's it's it's a beautiful film. And it's something that provides. An emotion that I think our society could use right now. And that's hopefulness. It's you leave the theater going that was time well-spent. I laughed. I I may have shed at here a little bit. And I'm glad I went. While the movie's called the upside it's opening everywhere. Today starts Brian and Kevin Hart on Broadway. Bryan Cranston in network right now, by the way, did you do your own hang gliding in the the scene? I see all the commercials. Yeah. I was up there. Kevin wasn't. But I would Kevin Kevin didn't do it. Yeah. He's so he'll brag Nick time. He's on that. Okay. You got some game playing ball. But I hear that you a little scared getting up in the air on the hang gliding. Right. And he was absolutely bizarre. He could not do it. He's said flat out. I cannot. I will not get up in that. So what they did against the green screen? They got a crane. A construction crane really that had a hook. And they lifted up the the two of them that the hang glider, captain and him and against green screen and a big fan blowing against. Feet off the ground team feet, and he was screaming bloody murder at that. He would care God. He he could not. But I went out we went up to Oregon and gorgeous just beautiful country up there. And we did the hang gliding sequences over two three days. And I just I just loved it. Well, listen, we'll go see the movie this weekend. We'll see soon on Broadway. Thanks for thanks for coming on Brian. Go Rams go. All right. There's Bryan Cranston. That was fun. That was fun. And we got something to give we give Kevin heart-to-heart time about. That's right. That's right. Comes back on. He's been getting a hard time everywhere. He goes Lali. Yeah. But I, you know, I think he's done. Now. I don't think he's considering going back to the no I think I think that's that ship has sailed by the way, I have an idea about what they should do. Okay. Good. Good johnson. Utah party central will get weird injury court tonight, not involving the Lakers, but involving the jazz have caught a weird break. Okay. Cool. That's coming up next for you. Mason in Ireland ESPN LA, I Mason Ireland. That was cool. Bryan, cranston. I still don't know. How you do it? How do you get up for every single show? And then I thought you know, what he's doing eight. We're doing five I guess it's not that big a deal. Well, and I thought that was interesting point he made about about the fact that he gets a different audience every night, right? If they've never seen it before that, you know, Kobe used to say Michael Jordan used to do it too. Is that I was like go into every game thinking that there's somebody in the building that is seeing me for the first time and might never see me again. Yeah, that's true. And I would think if I was doing a play. And I'm a big of, you know, I'm a big Broadway guy. Yeah. Me too. Every time. I go to a show like even when I went to avenue, q which is twenty years old last time, we tastic show, which is basically raunchy puppets. Yup. I thought to myself, you know, what they're doing the same thing every time. But if you're looking at into an audience of people that are paying a lot of money to see it. I would think that'd be incredibly energizing. You did plays. Right. Just a couple when I was younger, and but never really got fully into it. I wanna current now would I would pretty hard on the place there for a while. Yeah. Kind of wish I would I would have. But I gotta get back on the boards. You're gonna you're gonna start acting in plays again at fifty or whatever you are absolute get back on the boards cases. Speaking of of acting. Here's my idea for the Oscars. And I have a feeling this is what they're going to end up doing. Okay, you, and I both agree that no matter who they get they could get the biggest name in the world. They could get a Dell or Oprah. Or Jack Nicholson Denzel no matter who they got. And they could write perfectly in in. You know, put on a show that person's going to get criticized. Right. Yes. That is big of an event for for that. So do it without a host simply of the PA announcer say and presenting the award for best picture, here's Meryl Streep and Jack Nicholson, and they walk out do their presentation. Go move onto the next thing. Could that work doing no host Oscar, I think that's probably the favorite right now for how they're going to do it. I would do it a little bit differently. I would say the Oscars should be hosted by the cast of Black Panther. So each each introduction will be done by somebody from Black Panther, whether Chadwick bozeman or lupita Longo, Michael b Jordan or Daniel Qaluwa or Angela Bassett, and you just turn it into because to me that was the. That was the cultural cinematic movie of twenty eighteen did it get nominated for best picture while the Oscar nominations are not yet. But it's definitely get nominated for best picture. And I I'm voting for it for best. Do you do your votes for the sag awards? Yeah. I do. But just for those who don't have Oscar vote. I'm voting for Black Panther for best ensemble. I think it's fantastic movie. All right. So you said the Lakers may have caught a break a weird break. So here it is. Okay. The starting point guard for the Utah Jazz is Ricky Rubio, yes, Ricky Rubio is hurt. He's not playing tonight. The backup point guard is Dante Exum Dante Exum is also hurt he won't play tonight. What do you have against where all Netto row? A Netto is also hurt. What is he also he will not play in the game tonight? So they're playing this game point guard 'less now, you don't necessarily need a point guard. Laker fans will remember that they won several titles with Derek Fisher in Kobe Bryant and Coby Bryan and Ron Harper. And and there's really no point guard in those mixes. So you don't need them. I would imagine. Donovan Mitchell is going to be handed the ball and told you run the show. They'll probably move Joe Ingles to the back court. Start Jae Crowder up front, but the Lakers, particularly Lonzo. I would. Have an opportunity tonight. Yeah. To get a lot of steals, and maybe try some things defensively that what do you think is it a big deal that they don't have a true point guard on the roster tonight? I will tell you next Mason Ireland ESPN LA and John is in Utah, Utah as Carl home, come alone Utah. Are you know, people don't even remember that that happened John for the most part? There was that. I was I was skimming through Twitter and one of the headlines on Twitter says Steve's languages, reckless wrong, and has no place in our society. And I immediately worried that you said something stupid if not about you. It's about some congressman from Iowa guys. A that guys scary that there are people saying that Steve's languages reckless wrong, and has no place in our society. So what do you think about the point guard list jazz? Is that something or nothing John? I do a little research. Actually before the show started that I find that hard to believe you did it in the last two minute break, then you and Mitchell through his first five games of the month the spider averaging twenty four points, four assists, four rebounds, he shooting forty seven percent from three he's coming off his best all round performance over with a win over Orlando where he scored thirty three. That's as they were down by twenty two in that game before he brought him back if thirty plus game of the season twelve twenty one shooting and matched a season high with seven assists. So he is obviously a dynamic player. And I would imagine he is able to compensate for the lack of a point guard. Yeah. And it doesn't, you know, if I'm being honest. It doesn't matter if you have a point guard, and then the game is more and more positioning allow the time deaf bronze aren't point guard. Yes, Steph curry isn't the true definition of a point guard. Steph not like trying to. Fifteen assists every night. Yeah. These definitions of jobs and basketball, really don't exist. Now. I mean, they really don't exist point guards and centers and death, lineups and Hamptons lightning. What did you think account kouzmines idea that the Lakers going to have a death lineup? I didn't like it because it didn't have Josh Hartnett. Right. But I other than that. I like the idea of playing five guys position list. I just want one of the guys to be Josh heart. I think his lineup. The one coups was suggesting was coups Ingram. Lebron Lonzo in jail to finish games. But don't you want? Josh hard up there at the end. Yeah. I want Josh heart finishing games. He's a he's a tenacious defender gets along as long as long as coups is willing to allow for substitution into his death lineup. I'm all for you know, I said in our promo that was running today. Two things you probably didn't hear the promo. Right. I did not people. Listen for those promos. Religiously. So I promoted first of all Danny trail is going to be on the phone at one thirties gigantic Ryan, really. Yeah. So it's okay. So do you listen to the rewatch Ables on the ringer? I do but I've not did they do it. All right. Every movie they asked the question right with this movie. Be better with Danny trae ho in it and the answer is always almost. Yes. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny. Yeah. Danny trae. Oh, it's going to be with his one thirty. He's the guy who a lot of times. We'll stand in the end zone at some point in the game and yell. And we all yell. This is the weekend. I blow my voice out tomorrow. Good damn time. I'm you know, who I am. I'm the guy that says 'i stand up in the section when when it's third down and says come on come on everybody everybody. Everybody get up, you know, that guy right? Believing. You've all night. Not sat through third down all year long. Well, hopefully, you won't have too many. We will score. And I and secondary go I'm genuinely nervous about this game a little bit. I because the Cowboys are good and the Rams are good. And you realize if they win it, Steve Mason. You are one game away from the Super Bowl. But one game away if we win and the saints win. Lose. No, no. If the saints win we're going to gnarled next week. Oh, you are. Yeah. Definitely going to Nerlens. Wow. Don't need much of an excuse to go to New Orleans. It's almost tact by a little person. I am. I'm absolutely going to be there at the Superdome for that game. Hopefully, we. Then the Rams get the NFC championship game in the Coliseum. You don't we're going to discuss all this, John. Monday. Are you here on Monday Monday? I don't know if you know this. I I have lobbied all the powers that be powers, by the way, I'm using with air quotes, I lobbied all the powers that be and Monday from noon to one pm. So that we have plenty of time to react to Rams Cowboys. We're going to be commercial free. Good commercial free noon to one on Monday. Good. The whole show off, you know, it's going to happen now. What blind call? Hey, what's going on? Hello. Yeah. Yeah. No. This is Mason Ireland. You're blind. Caller win by short. The shirt. Shirk to where the super I mean at the at the Super Bowl parade when we weighed. Okay. Do you have any hot takes it? All. Do you only hot guy? God is that is equal Iliad isn't going to do anything and the Rams are gonna shut them down. All right. There you go. That's amazing Ireland shirt. Good job. That's all it takes. That's all it takes just the blind. Call like that was the only line ringing. This is this is something I started during when basically 'cause I pitched you all year about never taken call. Right. And so now just randomly, and when you're in the studio, you can do it to just press the button, it's not gonna be screened. But we'll do a great never answers the phones. Anyway. No, he never does. Well, now, he's instructed not to he thinks it's beneath him. Yeah. Hang on blind. Call 'cause I. 'cause I is with blankets. We can't tell them to turn your radio down your are blind. Call. Hey, how's it going good? Hey, it's going good. Who's this? Hayden. Actually, this is not my first time. I actually just tweeted you said, I got T shirt. I really appreciate it. Oh, so you've got a t-shirt. Yeah. I saw this tweet. Yeah. Okay. Good relations anyway for hey. You gotta ask me about my hot pay. What is your hot take Hayden? I'm going to New Orleans with you go. Yeah. It is impossible not to have fun in New Orleans. Impossible. I gotta go. Thank you. Thank you, man. Shirt yet. But there's conflicting ideologies now on Sunday. If the Rams went on Saturday. Are you rooting for the eagles on Sunday? Oh, hell, yes. But you're then you go to New Orleans. I just think it's a long shot. Probably I feel like they're the biggest use of the biggest underdog at the weekend. By the way. Here's a tweet that just came through. This is a really good idea. Someone unread it suggested that the Muppets should host the Oscars. That's actually, really smart Slater. Is it Staehler in Waldorf heckling each winner? Miss and you can puppets can get away with stuff that regular people can't get away as the whole movie, Ted outlines if you're like not a person, you can get away saying anything you want. I just got a text from one. No, you're not you're not going to New Orleans either way. Well, this provides an interesting dilemma on Monday. I will overrule that overrode. Never cool. You kidding? Never overrule. I I completely new I own house meeting. I'm the king of the of the just rolls, boss. Right boss, you, and I have not been running a respective relationships for ten years, it's true ridiculously vote. They're being have our lives being. I have. No, I have no respect even in my own house. All right coming back next. What do you wanna do? Come back next. Oh, there's dodgers news. What there's dodgers news. They've done something they something. They did not sign. They did not sign Bryce Harper. Get yet. I will tell you next Mason Ireland ESPN LA.

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74. Network (1976)

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74. Network (1976)

"Alexa lower the thermostat. Six fifty three degrees. Oh my God. Are you joking me with this? Did you prepare that as a bit set to sixty three? Did you ask Alexa? What her opinion about. Sidney Lumet's nineteen seventy six film network. Is You know. I haven't asked she'd been in the room the couple of Times. I've been able to screen it over the last week or so but she hasn't she hasn't broken in with any commentary Alexa do you like the movie network. I don't have an opinion on their way to straddle offense Alexa yes. She doesn't have an opinion on that. Okay we'll let me formally introduce you while you are Richard Brown. That's right writer Raconteur Media Maven sure any other descriptive Tennis professional not attended professional. Just they just a tennis lower lover of all things lobbing rackets. Also dedicated figure skating enthusiast. Sure can say back where we could freely travel the country you and your partner Dr C. Would go all over the world to watch figure skating. That's what we do antennae. Antennas that's right and now we have none of that now. We have nothing except they could do figure skating figure. Skating is by definition a socially isolated sport. You would think so but they have to sell tickets. Could they put on an for us in an empty? Ice Arena. John you can do with any of these sports while the concept ones. Yeah Anyway you Richard. I was thinking about this last couple of days. I really a lot of my entertainment career to you directly and indirectly okay. You're waiting to hear where that goes or sure I'd like to know I was like no. What's direct and indirect? Okay so directly. We went to college together. A Long Time Ago Hampshire College College. Nineteen eighty-eight we meet in our first year Hampshire college now not really tell second year. Okay you had the absolute perfect. Can Media Childhood to lead you to Hampshire College and Beyond and I think that we always shared that and bonded over that and particularly bonded over maybe some of the more obscure things. Some of the things may be left of the dial you might say but in particular you were responsible for really the slight pivot that. I made very early on when I started working in television to produce and direct with Henry. Our Fellow Hampshire graduate. The Bobby Darin documentary that we did for PBS. Back in God knows what ninety nine thousand nine hundred eighty. Maybe maybe nineteen ninety eight. That was your your idea. That was your thing even going back to college almost ten years before we ended up making the film that you hip me and Henry to Bobby Darin number one and told us about his Beijing fascinating life number two and kind of planted that seed. Which many years later when you had already been working in the media? New York working in radio right Initially Wer Wer Guy. I was a WWL R and I was CNN at the same time right. That's right were you at CNN. Radioside or you're on the TV side C. N. N. financial news TV. Wow that's right didn't you? Work like four. Am shift or something. Wr work early mornings and Saturdays. Usually my my gig right. Well Anyway. I had worked in Cable News Ironically enough for what we're talking about today which is part of the grounding for my love and appreciation for this film and hadn't found it to my tastes and was kind of looking for something else to do and I don't even know how the idea came back into being whether it was Henry or you or me. But Somehow Bobby Darin idea came back into being and and pursued it and Henry and ultimately had of ridiculously easy pass to getting that project off the ground and really from there even though we rest on our laurels and just waited for all the great opportunities to rolling and afterwards which meant we didn't work for probably two years after finishing the film ultimately it was a really important part of the whole process trajectory. Which would not have happened really without you so a belated thank you for that Richard. Oh well it's interesting because you continue to start your own company and make a great career for yourself in media and I couldn't be further removed from it now. Lucky you okay so I let me say this is our first zoom recorded episode of full cast and crew the first episode recorded in the new Kovic nineteen shelter at home. Stay in place grow crazy. Beer don't get a haircut. We're all living in our homes without venturing outside world that we now live in which is so perfect for the movie that we're here to discuss if you think about it. Why do you think it's perfect for the movie? We're we're willing to discuss well when I was watching it the other night there was. I mean of course with any petty Tchaikovsky. Penned thing you're going to have so much stuff that rings true in any era that you're watching the film in but particularly this movie with its vision of a Dystopia United States run by entertainment oligarchs and the dumbing down of television and news particularly. I just found so many so many similarities to what we're living through right now. We know things are bad worse than bad. They're crazy everything everywhere. He's going crazy so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house of slowly the world. We're living in his getting smaller and always say please at least leave us alone in our living room. Let me have my toaster in my TV. And my steel belted radios that. I won't say anything. Just leave us alone well. I'm not good. Leave you alone. I want you to get back. When did you first encountered this movie? Okay why watch network? At first. When I was in high school I had A in L. Junior High. I made friends with this This Guy who's still a good friend of mine to this day. And he was a real film nerd and sort of inculcated me into all of this film directors that I knew nothing about he. You know he'd bring me over his house and he would watch. Kubrick Scorsese and Robert Altman and Sydney lamenting the into sort of a nerd hood of these These American filmmaker particularly of this era. This kind of neo realist. Seventy sometimes referred to this as the second golden age of Of Hollywood movies when Ian Brought Me To watch this movie network? It was my first real experience with what I would call. I want to say adult movies. Not those kinds of movies like I was I. Was You know? Obviously as a kid growing up I was Astana all kinds of movies and and died. Seen certainly seen rated R movies and movies with heavy themes but. I can remember seeing this movie network and thinking for the first time that but there was something out there in this type of media that was similar to the way that I had been taught to view or cast from user or Or fine art up until that point. I'd never taken movies as something that would get that one would consider as a serious form of art and your was this movie network which I had never even heard of until that point which so much address all of my interest as a kid and they were all sort of like well organized into this amazing story and this this amazing both deepen sarcastic story and it was in a way. There was a lot of my sort of fantasies. Come true about What life was like inside of network? Tv I've been telling people since I took this job six months ago that I want angry shows. I don't conventional programming on this network. I want counterculture I- anti-establishment don't WanNa Palais Butch Wash. But when I took over this department it had the worst programming record in television history. This network hasn't one show in the top twenty. This network is an industry joke and we better start putting together one winner for Nick September. I want a show developed based on the activities of a terrorist group Joseph Stalin and his merry band of Bolsheviks. I want ideas people. That is what you paid for. And and as was saying was also my first real exposure to what I would call movies with with with dark adult theme sure the world of adults guest at hinted upon but never really known at that point has a teenager. Growing up yeah. I'm from that point. Free from that point forward we would wait with watch all kinds of on guard things and and stuff that was highly regarded from a more artistic point of view and long before. I ever knew anything about autour theory or maison or anything like that. You know this this. This was Network was was kind of a gateway drug for me. So do you think of this as a Patty ski film or do you think of it as a sidney. Lumet picture well. I think this is a really interesting example. A rare example of the movie that sort of stands on the shoulders of its screenwriter. I mean you can go back if you really. If you're in dispel or even maybe only sort of mildly into the movie business. I mean there are some maybe some household names around screenwriters. A lot of people might know Aaron Sorkin or Paul Schrader or Charlie Kaufman people like bat. But I'm really hard pressed to think of another movie that where the screenwriter of all the people involved in the making of a film really stands out almost like an awkward does in you know Classic Film Theory You know as sitting the man is much up celebrated film director. We could talk about all you know all this sort of the great Sydney labatt movies in network but this triassic is film. He sat in on on everything. Every shot that was made he He was sitting basically underneath the camera and sending notes back to sitting lament. And it's also interesting that the that the two had kind of a you know very compatible marriage which was that You would think most film directors would really balk at having a screenwriter. Come in and be you know a and having authority over the way. The filmmaking was being conducted but Sydney Lem. Frankly was fine with it. You know what one of the fascinating things about? Patty is that he writes a character who who's protest becomes a by word today. I mean it's in the language I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonNA take it anymore. What I love is that Howard Beale does absolutely nothing. About it there's no action and one of the brilliance in the writing of that movie was that Patty would never be sentimental enough to make a difference. He has an audience out there which shouts along with the announcer. I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonNA take it anymore. And that that becomes as stupid and duplicitous as anything else and Howard is yelling at them. You're not cereal. You're not fake. We're the ones who are fake. And they sit there and he goes into a fit and falls on the ground and they cheer he felt that Patty Tchaikovsky for all his personality works. Actually you know was a great contribution to the making of this film on a day-to-day basis. It's so interesting I think both of them having roots in theater lumet initially Tchaikovsky. Kind of started more in early television than bounced to theater than bounced back to television than bounced two movies been briefly back to theater than maybe back to television he had a very ping pong kinda career which. I got most of the way through David. It's coughs brilliant. Book about the making of Network called mad as hell which gets a lot into the backstory of both of these guys. Tchaikovsky's dedication to his vision was both such a blessing and a curse for him personally and professionally. You know he was so committed to his thing that it doesn't sound like really maybe except for network. He had much pleasure out of the process of bringing these things to life and he was always Perron the reason why he he jumped between these museums was because he was always parental perennially. Mad about the way he was being treated or the way. The industry around the medium conducted itself the reasoning dot of TV. Because he hated the way you know got he hated the way the TV worked and then over ten years later he got out of theater because he hated the way that work. And like you said he kept going from one thing to the next And it's interesting. That really he you know network was his kind of his magnum opus. If you will and it was the one project where maybe he had more control over all of the content. He did in anything else He was a similar thing when making the when he made the movie hospital and where he was author producer and the writer and And it was allowed to sit in on all the all the production of it But network really does You know you know in a in a you know the career of an artist in this case an artist who was the screenwriter really stands out there as you mentioned as a it's a it's project. I agree I mean I think that the soul of it what it's about certainly the verbosity of the speeches given to to every character all the hallmarks of chassis. But hot take unfocused and crew watching it this time. Because on the PODCASTS. We've had occasion to do a few cinema films and Reba. Read a lot about him and learn a lot about him. I also feel like Doesn't get the credit. He deserves in some ways like yes. He's amongst people like us. You know sort of adored and revered and worshiped but I think during the time of his career he had kind of a workmanlike reputation you know and and in a way. I think that's one of the reasons why he got the opportunity to direct this film. Not necessarily because trafficky didn't respect him so I don't think that's the case at all. I think he respected him very much. But I don't think Sidney Lumet had the autour personality although his films now that you look back at them to me are the work of an autour in many ways. I think it's I think in that is cup book. There's a book. There's even a quote from lumet where he says I'm not sure. Yeah you know the reason why. He was part of the reason why he was hired to do. This movie was because he was known as a very efficient well organized guy. You know. He didn't fall into wasn't in the Couple Coppola School of of Not carrying about a budget overruns. You know he was a guy who would come in on Tuesday. Set everything up rehearsal. Shoot it all on Wednesday and move on and he was famous for finishing films on time under budget. You know a guy who Paid a lot of attention to detail but he wasn't into sort of he wasn't at least my impression is he wasn't sort of into you. Know the the the mechanics of the On the storytelling in the same way. That chastity was and that like I said before that was a way that they really complimented each other. I think it's probably more accurate to say. He was into the theatrics of storytelling. That many directors of that era became known for and that we love like Scorsese or Coppola. But I think women was every bit as capable of moving the camera as brilliantly as those guys and his sparseness particularly in this movie is so appropriate and the way it's put together so amazing I saw in one of the feature that the editor said when when it came time to edit the film I think they edited the film in four or five weeks. Which is kind of unheard of for feature fell into your point. He actually had two weeks of hersal before they started rolling the cameras which big bill hold it of all people said in his entire career he had never rehearsed a picture. Think about that. That's just so crazy like we could. We did moonstruck. We're talking about Norman. Jewison doing the same thing. Treating it like a play marking out where the definitions of the rooms are that the actors are moving through which is something that met did on this fixture as well or they taped out the dimensions of the television spaces that they were going to be moving. Through two weeks to rehearse the material and Faye dunaway talks about how that was so great because when they're actually on the set they had such a base of knowledge of what the scene was about and what they were supposed to do they could do that but then efficiently also say. Well what if I went over here? The filing cabinet instead of went into her office and then they had time to try some other things that ended up making it into the picture that you just otherwise wouldn't have found if on the typical movie. You have no time to do that. You know I think the more typical movie experiences. What Ned Beatty had? I think he was hired on a Saturday. He met with Lumet on a Sunday and the camera was rolling in on Monday. It is one day. He said it's a one day. Part kind of famous always tells actors never turned down a one day part because I got nominated for an academy award for all right and you know that. I don't know if you caught this that there were a couple of pages of his dialogue from that famous scene and the corporate boat boardroom. I'm I don't wasn't clear to me whether they cut it out of the film or whether it was caught before it was put on film. But if you go back in wash that scene again that famous scene he brings the curtains together. All the lights sort of like a come down. And they're set just sorta in light on them. You haven't met old with primal forces of nature and I won't have that is clear. That actually is somewhere very late. In the piece in the piece of dialogue that Tchaikovsky Unwritten Forum and they scratched out the first page or so to me it. Actually I mean I love this movie and there are there million things about it. I do feel like wild. Babies performance is really strong in that scene. It feels a little bit like he like he kind of starts in the middle of it. Do you agree with that? Well it's interesting. You say that 'cause he says that when he was when he was shooting it and again he's only there for a day or I think he said he had two days that he was kind of feeling like I'm going over the top here but city lament kept saying like no no. No this is actually. This isn't even enough yet. Did they? Give merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country and they must put it back. It is happy and flow titled Gravity. It is ecological logical balance. And he said I watched the movie. I'm so over the top it. I think that's what they were. After in his type of a character that would re to Howard beale like God? He had to be that big it just the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today that is the atomic and sub atomic and galactic structure of things to day. And you have meddle with the prime of pulses of nature and you. We're told am I getting too but idea what I'm just saying that from dramatic perspective and from a rightish respective. Eli Eight team. He starts at eleven and I love this. I want him to start at around eight. Okay well anyway yeah. This scene is so freaking ridiculous. In how the shot is constructed and this location which I feel like I've seen in so many movies maybe I've just seen it in so many Sidney lumet movies or you don't know what this is why I know what it is. I know what it is but yes. Please tell the listeners. This is a New York public library right. The scene for just before. This is the scene where rob devolved character is escorting interventions corrupt the stairways. That's the that's the lobby of the of the New York Public Library and this was a room that was up in the. I guess they've got some kind of boardroom conference room in there that they found they weren't allowed to they weren't allowed to do much in there. As far as the lighting the rigging so making best use of of the facilities were already in the room and that incredible composition with all the green could lamps on the incredibly long conference room table and talks about. Oh in Rosement. Who's the director of tag raphy using these different lenses? Really kind of I think two or three points during Ned Beatty speech. Where we we get closer in a way. But we're still in this incredible almost ethereal shot between the lamps with Bady at the far end of a table or rating. And it's just such an incredible location which I think is one of the things I always love about a lot of Sidney. Lumet pictures is even though a lot of this movie is shot in what was just a disused corporate floor of the MGM Office Building in New York City and that's where all the TV sets and things take place except for the stuff that was shot for the actual TV shows which took place in a in a TV sound stage in Toronto but even just using the the space the way they use them in the way they shot the offices. It's such a sense of place. Which is what I think of. I think about all the Sidney lumet films that I love like the verdict or Twelve angry men or night falls on Manhattan or any of these great films that have such a sense of place because of the thought process that goes into them. And this this set up that that just simple throw-away things like you're talking about. When Duval leads Howard beale up the stairs and he to kind of supposedly. Corporate Gentlemen are walking down the stairs. Pass them and Howard beale just immediately launches into a declan Tori. I have come to make my witness duval. Just kinda grabs on the shoulder. Hustles up at such a complete incredible movie for actors. I mean my God. It's insane I think. What was IT Five Academy Award? Nominations for acting. Yeah so it's it is the perfect balance between a writer director. I really feel like Sidney. Lumet specifically added so much to the screenplay and I know that like Tchaikovsky would write really novelization in addition to his screenplay in order to give a sense of place in what he wanted to talk about. This is I have the network book now. This was he wrote this he wrote the screenplay and then they hired another guy to actually write. This novelization must hand in that You must have hated that. Yeah well I mean we have him right while we haven't gotten too much around talking about China's skis truculent personality at his inability to sort of separate himself from any part of his projects. Men You know there's I think again it may have come from the From the is cop that we talked about how the the novelist the guy who was doing. The adaptation for the novel was so excited about getting a chance to work with Ways I asked you like be careful what you wish for Empty was such an asshole. to this guy In writing these these long you know red pen notes about you. Know swearing at him about being too creative with the characters right imbuing the character's with Emotions and impulses that that Chassis did not agree with and the guy ended up being really a sour on the whole project So I have this keep saying this forget that were on the Nina. Yeah auditory medium. Mulling up in front of me again is the is the network book I also have. This is altered states Brilliant okay now. This is the only novel that he wrote and it was very the. It was a situation similar to something that I've heard you talk about on the podcast times. Which is you know if you're going to write a screenplay maybe it's a good idea to write out as a novel. I and then adapted from your own work yet And I think that's what China St were had been somebody at givens tasking to try that with altered states This book Frankly is kind of an Info dump book in which he picks all his research in regard to you know the the scientific part of altered states and just sort of goes on and on and on with all kinds a detailed statistics this interesting stuff in the book too but it is not a great book. You can see what you what you see. Is the building blocks of a screenplay. I wonder what that book did. He even intend to for that to be a novelization or was it sort of a business thing that was like. Hey if you can cobble together a book Patty will help you with that tax lien. You're currently facing. That could be the case. I mean the project was frost. Lana go to into altered states unless you WanNa talk about eight movie. Though wasn't a seizure you saw the X. Rays Mason. There was clearly something interior to the lyrics that looked like a ritual sacrifice strictly semi-in. I obviously request to some quasi simian creature. Show this to rise if you've read the wrong that's all there is to it because no one's GonNa tell me de-differentiated Goddamn genetic structure for four hours and then reconstituted. I'm a professor of economics. Harvard Minimum School. I'm an attending physician at the Peter Bent Brigham Hospital. I'm a contributing editor at the American Journal. Then a fellow and vice president of the Eastern Association of Economic and other Journal. And I'm not listen to any of your capitalistic. Frigging liberal bubble jumble. I'M GONNA show these two radiologists when I mean. I don't know if he would say that. But that's like a foundational movie that I think of in my teenage years like that felt kind of like forbidden. That's like one of those first movies that you kind of watch as a as a teenager before you're allowed to go to R. rated movies right. Yeah that was always just such a mind. Fuck of a movie to me without even knowing at the time like you. I had no idea who had each of ski was or watching it for. Who's at Kronenbourg? Ken Russell Ken Russell. I'm sure I'm sure he and Ken Russell had a brilliant time together. Those are people that should not be collaborating on a film project. Ken Russell was actually. I think he was the third director. And after the first two buyer and you want and Ken Russell fired as well but they had by that time they were so deep into the production that the Howard Gottlieb and the other producers came to me and said look if we fire this guy with this movie's Never GonNa Happen and that was when she was like. Okay take my name off now. No if you could go back and look at the The opening credits of altered states literally it says he used a pseudonym right for his screenplay and so the opening credits said what's his name Simon era or something Simon says screenplay by Aaron Simon based on the novel I decided person. It's funny when I was watching network. I don't think I've ever seen the onscreen credit that I was reminded. He has network. Which is the film opens. Then you have the title just network and the next thing that comes up is by Patty Tchaikovsky. Yes and or before Sidney lumet before William Holden or anything else by. I've never seen that in another movie. A thing about Patty that when I'm reading about such a fascinating person to read about and I really encourage anyone who has an interest in the making of movies and geniuses in general to read. It's cost book because not only as David. It's probably one of the funniest people on twitter. But he's a brilliant writer about movies and TV and he really gets into the fun stuff. The stuff I like about the making of movies one of the interesting things about Patty Chaffetz. I took away from reading. The book was to remember to have fun in your work and to not hold onto it and clutch it so desperately an so tightly. Because I don't think he derived of joy and pleasure out of things that he should have because of his utter fixation devotion to getting an exactly the way he wanted it and I think that's a good artistic lesson for everybody. Well that may be true. But let me just let Counterpoint you for a million here because the theme of this movie but theme with hospital the the movie he made before this and maybe even altered state says you know what he was. The master out was anger and channeling his anger at the world You know into these into these great screenplays. And if you didn't have that would they? Would they have the same byte that You know that that came out on the end product. Sure but but why does that remove the ability for one to say I wrote it? I'm I'm happy with you as a director. I understand that when I turn things over to be made into films. It's it's no longer mine and I'm happy to now move onto the next act of writing that gives me great pleasure and allows me to function normally in the world. He was tortured his whole life by his involvement with show business in all of its forms. Like you can't bend. You can't bend. Show business to your. Will I find myself thinking of two movies a lot in watching this movie one of them was actually all that jazz bizarrely because it doesn't really have anything to do with obviously the news business or American culture per se but it has to do with the creative process and I found myself thinking about that movie a lot about Roy? Scheider performance a lot in that movie and I also thought a lot about being there which felt like a companion in a way to this movie in a different way like Jersey Kozinski at Pat each have a lot of similarities and and things that they're both interested in the way that they so brilliantly do satire is so intelligently informed that when I was watching network I was sort of like. Oh yeah same guy wrote this that wrote to Rabin there right and I was completely forgot that Jersey us an entirely separate also tortured person not tortured in the same way that Patty Chaffee was right. Yeah I think you've got something there in regards to being there about how you know. In both cases these screenwriters are using institutions particularly in being there sort of the you know political Washington institution as kind of a straw man for what they really want to say. Which is that. The fabric of society is Is Off kilter misguide? You know. There's you go back and you look up anybody who talks about This movie network including any of the actors and they'll say you know. The movie took a lot of criticism for the way it's treated the institution of Television and TV news. But that's not really what Chhaya Skis. Target here was what the real the what he's really talking about here is the audience. And how we've at how we failed as how we've sale as a culture. Yes and that in this case television the media. Their problems are symptoms Versatile this is what I was saying about the moment we're living in now. I'm past being mad at trump or Fox News or even CNN mad at us and our failings and it's the same thing. I think that Patty Chaffee is angry at in this movie or so right. It's not TV. It's he seemed the enemy and the enemy is us. I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to ride. I don't want you to radio congressman because I wouldn't WanNa tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression on the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the streets. All I know is that I you got to get backed. You've gotta say I'm a human being God dammit. My life has value so I want you to get up now all of you to get up out of your chest. I wanted to get up right now. Go TO THE WINDOW. Open it and stick your head out and yell. I'm mad as hell. I'm not gonNA take this anymore. Yes the anger of course but I feel a lot of heart like in the way that the critique of us for me is maybe this is because I'm identify almost entirely with the bill holden character as kind of the romantic figure who comes from an era of TV news that probably you and I both romanticize and and kind of Be Interested in and he's really the character the only character who has a heart here right that we can grab onto maybe beatrice straight his his wife in the film brilliant performance by her but but bill holden is the only one of the main characters who is alive even as he's being eaten alive by the very thing that ultimately he escapes so kind of like Jersey Kozinski and being there where there is such heart underneath the satire right. I don't see an absence of that in network like I still feel that belief in humanity that a lot of Tchaikovsky's stuff can kind of contain I mean look at Mardi that's like such a such a humanistic feeling movie even as it does also criticize us for the way we would view? Someone like Marty money. I want to hang around the house tonight. I want you go take a shave and go dance mom. When are you going to give up? You GotTa Bachelor on your hands. I Never GonNa get married. He'll gonNA get married monsoon-related there comes a point in a man's life when he's gotTa face facts and one fact I gotta faces and whatever it is the women like I got it. I chased after enough goes in my life. I went to enough dances. I got hurt enough. I don't WanNa get hurt. No more I called up a girl afternoon. They got a real brush off boy. I figured I was past the point of being hurt. That hurt some stupid woman widening. WanNa call up. She gave me the brush. I don't WanNa go to status ballroom because all it ever happened was girls made me feel like I was a bug. I got feeling June. I had enough pain. No thanks right. We focus too much on unimportant qualities in people. And that you know Marty's supposed you know supposed to be about basically too ugly people getting together and You know told you. Ugly people. Finding each other and overcoming all of the expectations of their you know their family in their community. About what it is that you're supposed to be doing with your life. You're supposed to be with Notre asking was a much softer character. Nineteen fifty five that he wasn hiking. Seventy five win and it's interesting the way that those movies screenplays you can see finger The same fingerprints as far as the way the characters talk to each other and the the there's analyst there's there's sort of heart at the core of it like you said you know network is Is a lot more cynical than Martin? No part of IT IS I. Guess the sound being made twenty years apart. I get that another thing that I I was thinking of. In a contemporary sense was how brilliant it would be to have Tchaikovsky. Now in this politically correct times. A million moment that we're living in right he would have had such a skewering take like he does in this movie over the revolutionaries and the radicals at a time like his take Hon. I just one of my all time. Favorite movie scenes in any film. One of the best written scenes in any film is the negotiation seen between the black radicals and the network. People amount say our went on the Air March fourteen received a forty seven share. The network promptly committed to fifteen shows with an option for ten more. There were the usual contractual difficulties sent to accept such percentages. W THIRTY PERCENT OVER NINETY MINUTE LONGER. Television programs we settled that sub-licensing gross proceeds should consist of all funds so ABC's not merely the net amount permitted after payment to the sublicense or distributed. We're not sitting still over charges of causing prior to distribution of thought but my distribution costs. I'm making a lousy took fifteen per. I'm already devastating twenty grand a week with Metro Mars type is set off the top ten per segment number of cake and Helen does start new. Shoot with me about these again. I'm paying metro twenty percent all Barney Canadian distribution and that's at the recruitment communist part is not going to see a Nigga level. This God damn show to we go in its indication in for seventy five hundred production expense. I'm not giving it pseudo insurrectionary. Sectarian that piece of my show. I'm not giving him script approval and short shit ain't got no minimum distribution judge fast. Did you out demonstrating deriving. The seminal prisoners lies infrastructure. You can blow the prisoner class structure out your S. I'm knocking down. My goddamn distribution is man. The fucking overheard clause. Who's going to get back to page twenty two five small a subsidiary rights where the character obviously kind of inspired by Angela? Davis and the Black Panthers is very perceptively arguing for minute. Film distribution points and other contractual are Cana- and Tchaikovsky's jaundiced sense that even the revolution will be co opted by television. It's not going to be televised. It's going to be eaten alive by television. Giving Goddamn overhead clause so good so good and then and then when he's when he's like we get back to five small a like. Oh God it's but you know you don't get that kind of ability to step back from the moment we're living in and kinda point out how everyone's full of Shit not just people who were supposed to think are full of Shit right that that's A. That's a brave staying for him to have done at that time and we don't really have many people doing that today. Happy the best. Don't ever forget what happened to that. French actor juicy smoothly as very French very famous French actor chooses is act of France he became frame is on a show called empire when he was in Chicago late at night and was the victim. He was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack. You SEE JUICY IS J. And he is black. Not just frisk always a crazy story. Apparently when he's walking down the street late at night to white men came out of the shadows Hats on beat him up tight rope around his neck called Mall Kansas and put some bleejon them and ran off into the night the she was like international news. And everybody was furious. Specially in Hollywood all over everybody's twitter feed its rampage justice but juicy and all this shit. The whole country was up in arms. He's talking about all the time on the news and some reason African Americans. We will like oddly quiet. We was quiet about shape. The Gay community started using African American community of being homophobic for not supporting them. Would they didn't understand is that we weren't supporting him with our science because we understood that this was clearly why I would recommend to. You know to anybody who Who's interested in the in the call? One of the people that this book is his Fucking Bill. O'reilly come his quotes. are spot on As far as the way that he was personally inspired by the Howard beale character earnings for is this horrifying or surprising at score. Fighting to me because You know being somebody who embraces the left side of the spectrum. I found myself really challenged by agreeing with all these things that The bill O'Reilly had to say about the movie at and raises the question for me because I think about this patty how he was so militantly grow Israel he took he was taking on sort of different parts of the political spectrum in this In this movie but not the least of which was you. Know the remnants of sixties radicalism. I mean they were being goofed on as montage much as the You know the corporates absolutely. I'm wondering when you talk about you. Know E with us today in two thousand twenty you know making his movie the Internet You think you'd be a political conservative. I think he's one of those people who who's who's I sees what it sees in in every aspect of whatever side of the aisle. You're talking about that's the thing I think that's so lacking today is everything is so divided and there isn't even room to make fun of one side or another from within the side right and and to me that type of commentary and satire is so necessary for those of us who would agree with his political persuasion or your political persuasion or anyone's right. Like I think that the ability to to be smart enough to understand where you could be made fun of is a very essential quality for anyone tap possess right and taking yourself too seriously and not being able to understand where you are a caricature is a liability. And actually if you WanNa talk about a movement that you're trying to create politically. You know it. It that's why we all. We love the people who don't take themselves seriously right because that's all of us really like very few people have the straight conviction to absolutely believe something and brook no discontent so hold on one. Second yes dear. How long has it is hot chocolate that I made for you? As part of your surprise sorry so total speculation. Writers like him tend to drift to the right. I guess I'm not sure why that is. I think probably because of what I'm talking about point right like that. His own people 'cause he used he would be lefty. Yeah but his own people couldn't handle his own sat year-ago barbs directed at them and yet the other side definitely would embrace those barbs towards the left right. Yeah I mean look at mammoth. Isn't he liked? This guy who has drifted so far to the right in tasters are some bizarre way that he's cancelled right and he's not someone who I think observed us with the same type of that. We're talking about here. But that's the lone voice that Tchaikovsky was. Can you think of any movie? Let's as fresh as this is. I mean at the time. China's knee was sort of like got it from. He got praised tickling creative vibes all types. They all loved it. And then all the the You know the the corporate types and the news types. You know the the news people that he had sort of like. They had entrusted him to investigate their the way. They made the news and they all said it was preposterous. And certainly there are things about to this day. That seem Cillian overblown but he was pretty equal. My God he was a he was amazingly right. There's a quote again in a book for the interview. Keith Olbermann Olbermann says something of a network. Which is everything that happens in this movie. I've seen happen in television. A much of it to meet well having worked with Keith. I can say I've seen much of it happen and have happened because of Keefe two. Yeah no it is. There's another quote Someone I can't remember. I want to say it was like Ben Stiller or somebody strangers somebody who had shown the movie to some younger people and they didn't get that it was a satire. It all comes so true by now that it didn't play to them as crazy like that. News show intro with psychic and the brilliant kind of a bottle. Hurry in her skeletons in the closet. He's a gentleman. Let's hear it Phil Ladies and gentlemen the Network News Hour with civil lawsuits endless her skeletons in the closets. Another segment box. Populi starring a bad prophet of the Airways power. Yeah they're not thinking of it as prescient brilliance are just like yeah. I see that on. Tv everything has come true right and this movie when you talk about being pressing. I mean it's it's beyond uncanny and it still holds up like those intros to the show is so good still the way the music is the way shot. The crowd reactions live in the studio. I just there are moments in this film that take my breath away still the first time bill collapses in that amazing set and there's the perfect hint of applause as they cut away to the audience and the audience in erupts in laughter. God's name you people are the real thing. We havi allusion so turn off your television sets. Turn THEM OFF NOW. Turn them off right now. Them off and leave them off to them. All right in the middle of a sentence is speaking to you. Now turn them off and then you see the audience. Warm up guy saying like yeah come on. Let's all part of the in the way that he collapses and you're you're the audience at that point too you know a little bit that he's because we've had a collapse seen we know a little bit about what's happening but we don't what you or you could not possibly predict is that at that point lament gets behind the TV camera and it's follows you know on our follows on the crane or whatever it is and cuts up on top of our bill to make sure that they cancel them in a close up when you asked out on the on the on the floor of the studio. Because it's part of the general part of the show and cinematographer says he said you know in the what if we use these star lights which were kind of like show busy talking about a film like all that jazz or something where you might see a very theatrical use of lighting but in that same scene when they cut away to the audience they have those star lights up at the top and it gives it this other worldly kind of quality it gives it that surreal quality when mixed with the incredibly both genuine and spontaneous and completely forced reaction of the audience? That's like such the brilliance of the way. That scene is cut together for me. It's the pause after he collapses that contains the genius because it's not as if he collapses in the audience leaps to their feet instantaneously right. They have to be told and once they're told what to do how to feel their hundred percent on board. Turn THEM OFF. Want ask you. What do you think about the places where China's dropping in these literary references or Historical references which are pretty obscure. I mean I loved. Don't get me wrong. They liked the senior talking about. I absolutely love it. But do you think that they're doing a disservice to the audience at all by having these references to? I Dunno Mata Hari and I don't know if you if you picked up on it but the it's Jim Jim Weddings. Ms which is like one of these amasis us. The truth would know that I didn't. I only got it because like I said I have this novel and I went and was able to figure out what the word was set up and doubt Google. That an it's Yiddish for the truth and there's they're all kinds of little spots here where fade dunaway's characters? Talking about she'll just sort of drop in the name of a you know a fourteenth century You know Italian monk or you know these other kind of the obscure religious things. There's a there's a reference right at the beginning to a character tale of two cities. I'm curious how you respond to that as somebody who has who has You know you in your work. You have to make stop that an audience. Response to an is your. Do you have a position that you should just say what you WANNA say. Let let the audience figure it out or do you think that these things are over the top and I don't think so on his part. I think that you're in the hands of a master. Actually the thing when you're talking about that it makes me think how much. I dislike a second rate Ama- Church. Ifc Pretender Aaron Sorkin. You know who does that to the degree all the time. Exactly what you're talking about except has even a higher degree of implausibility in the total recall of the character. I'm thinking of Newsnight. Was the Jeff Daniels. Yeah all right. I remember the scene were Jeff. Daniels is asked a question from Ernest College student in the audience and then goes on a fourteen minute like incredibly statistically analytical diatribe about us what about the people why isn't that the greatest country in the world professor? That's my answer you're saying yes. Let's talk about fine Sharon the NEA is a loser. Yeah it accounts for a penny out of her paycheck but he gets to hit you with anytime he wants. It doesn't cost money. Cost volts cost airtime column inches. You know why people don't like liberals because they lose if liberals are so fucking smarter. Can they lose a God? Damn always with a straight face. You're gonNA tell students that America is so star-spangled awesome that we're the only ones in the world web freedom. Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom the UK. France Italy Germany Spain Australia Belgium as free. So two hundred. Seven sovereign states in the world like one hundred and eighty of them. Have Free All right and yet you Sorority girl just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day. There's some things you should know. And one of them is. There is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world or seventh in Literacy Twenty-seventh in math twenty science forty ninth. In life expectancy one hundred seventy eight. An infant mortality third in median household income number four and labor force number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories number of incarcerated citizens per capita number of adults. Who Bleed angels are real defense spending where we spend more than the next twenty six countries combined? Twenty five of whom her allies. None of this is the fault of a twenty year old college student but nonetheless art without it on a member of the worst period generation period ever periods. When you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Did you know that fourteen point two million? American? Yes I give me a fucking break. That irritates me at a movie. This didn't I didn't even know this stuff did not bother me and I I actually don't like speechifying of the type that I didn't even realize there was so much of network until I watched it this time. Yeah like when I think about watching network in the past I think about the message I read. I think about how brilliant it is and how funny it is how well it holds up. How it credible the performances are my. God like towering acting performances. But I'm actually not a fan of the type of movie generally where you have as says in the book these kinds of slow burns powder keg of speech like Bill Holden and Faye dunaway breaking up after living with you for six months. I'm turning into one year. Scripts list is not a script. There's some real actual life going on here. I went to visit my wife today. Because she's in a state of depression so depressed at my daughter flew all the way from Seattle to be with her. And I feel lousy about that. I feel lousy about the pain that I caused my wife. And My kids I feel guilty unconscious stricken and all of those things that you'd think Santa Mental but which my generation called simple human decency. And I miss my home. Because I'm beginning to get scared shitless because all of a sudden it's closer to the end than it is the beginning and death is suddenly a perceptible thing to me with definable features. You're dealing with a man that has primal doubts Diana and you've got to cope with it. I'm not some guy discussing male menopause on the Barbara Walters show. I'm the man that you presumably love. I'm part of your life I live here. I'm real can't switch to another station every one of these clips that we could play Duval Diana pitching things. All of the Peter Finch speeches as as beal ned beatty like these are all. Tchaikovsky's thoughts and mission and message put in the mouth of these characters an incredibly literate and as you say referential two things but it just it works because he's so fucking good like so good lumet is so good cinematographer so good. The editor is so good and finally the actors like we have to give them so much of this credit to me because you can write whatever you want like. Trotsky could write whatever he wants on the page. But if you don't have these actors and you don't have those actors in the hands of Sidney Lumet you don't have this work this could so easily have been such a disastrous mess of soliloquies. You know which is which is like that's the thing. I'm not a big fan of in a lot of the sorkin stuff but to me in this movie. No it doesn't. It doesn't bother me because the writing is so good and the acting is so phenomenally. Odd Point like Bill Holden. What the Hell. I mean to think of an actor at that stage of his career who is so has noteworthy. What's billed place in Hollywood? In one thousand nine seventy six. It's not even existed. He was living out of the country. Switzerland yeah you know like to turn in that performance easily the greatest performance of his career easily? There's not even I mean. He won an Oscar for Stolac. Seventeen great great movie but a different type of movie in a different type of acting right this movie. Where you're just were. His guts are like ripped out and shown. And he's so plausibly believably. Doing that phenomenal phenomenal. I had an experience with this acting in. You may not agree with this but when I would going back when I first saw this movie back when I was fifteen or sixteen. I remember liking so much about this movie again because it appealed to my interests and there was this love story mixed in this love story. Between the Bill Holden character in the fade away character and I found it at the time when I first saw it I found it. There was sort of a long parts of the movie. Because uninformed not fully formed brain about was Was Thinking about the the love story parts is sort of the you know. Sort of squishy parts of the movie and it felt somehow that it was kind of obligatory these characters you know. Have a love story in the middle of the of the cool stuff and I remember thinking when I first saw this. I'm like why are they so bad? I thought that what I was watching was the weakness in the film. Which was that these characters were that I was watching terrible acting now. Was It till I? I was able to see the movie a few more times. That began to dawn on me that obviously they're actors playing characters but their characters are playing characters succinctly to tie this back together with with what you were saying about the acting that there are layers to to what's going on here between the actors in their characters and the and the director that is so subtle that income off a lot of different ways But it's it's it's it's it's depicting his characters in Thomas Story in a way. That is really brilliant. Well I also think that it points to what you're saying before. Which is that's what. Tchaikovsky had to fight for so hard because if he did not Fight TO HAVE THAT. Love story in quotes. Play out exactly as it did throughout this film. You know one hundred times. A studio executive is going to be in love Kit Kit. Like does he have to leave his wife and kids like you know that's GonNa get pushed that way. A million times and to keep a scene where the falling in love scene is both played romantically in terms of the way it's shot as they frolic on a East Hampton beach and have dinner and tumble into the motel and her entire side of the conversation is just about the most inane television stuff crisis. Colin repayment nuts when the Parisian army. Ten Thousand Bucks a week in order to turn authentic film footage of a revolutionary activities in constitutes inducement to commit a crime and Walter says or all lined up in federal way from for months. We'll have more pressing Watergate. All I need six weeks. Federal and the mouse can start cutting. Its own time slot. I think it's so brave to shoot data. Keep that in a movie this way and I think the only person who probably would truly fight for that is Patty Tchaikovsky. Because I agree with you that when you first watch it. It's a problem that I sometimes have. Even though I appreciate these satirical movies so much I still have like the heart of a romantic and I want things to work out for people that I wanted to work out for like in this movie. I'm on good ground. Because in the end I feel like beatrice straight is such an amazing actor that the the spurned wife scene between her and Bill Holden is so brilliant and and powerful and real. That I'm confident. Even though we don't get to see it that at the end when he leaves Diana he's going to go back home and the family unit will be intact. Which as a child of divorce two times over as important to me as a filmgoer okay. I WANNA know that in my head but I think I just want to Parse your thing a second like yes. The early courting scenes between the two of them are are joustie and kind of meant to be that light but but in no way is the breakup seen anything but very brilliant very direct very powerful writing that's not melodrama to me when they break up and Faye dunaway. Oh my God like was there anyone better than her at that time like she is so good and to do this role which is brilliant. But kind of thankless like. She doesn't get to do a lot of the Faye dunaway things that we would identify her within a movie like Chinatown. The vulnerability like the the emotion the the the turmoil that I think makes her such a appealing screen actor in this. He's got a be full steam ahead and can't show any of that. You know the only the only time it gets through to her is when he leaves her. It's that scene where he says. I just launch you to love me. I just want you to love me. Primal doubts all understand that. Don't you and this brilliant cut away to her in the absolute truth of her just saying. I don't know how to do that Alabama. I don't know how to do that right. It's devastating. He's still very interesting because she's taking on a role of highly unlikeable character but she's not a bill in she's Not Lady. Macbeth's no she's she's not immoral. She's amoral yes you know she. She plays it brilliantly And I don't know what else I don't know exactly what you could compare it to Yale in the history of film or the history of theater but that's a unique role for any actress to take on a risky role for any are just to pay gone and it's also a Really remember until reading the book that the famous shot of her poolside. At what her home. Oh shot at the Chateau normal. Yeah a post her Oscar. Win For this film taken by the photographer. Who would then be her. Next husband was directly related to this movie in this Academy Award. Winning performance. Lumet has a funny anecdote where when they were starting to Rehearse. He saw her coming to him. And he's such a savvy director of actors and he was an actor himself a child actor and and and then got out of that side of the business but he knew actor so well and I had said to fe fit for. I met her. I walked into our living room and she was sitting on a couch all the way across the living room. And I said I know what the first question there's GonNa be from you and that you're gonNA ask me. Where's her vulnerability and I wanted right? Now she has none and if you try to get any in I'll cut out of the movie and when he's Bill Holden said that tour I said to her specifically I should say you gotTa Remember First Conversation if I see her. See Any tier brimming. When I'm shooting your reaction bringing in your I I won't use it. I'm warning you. And and she got got exactly what I meant and she played the exactly perfect thing. Which was I don't know what you're talking about. Because he knew trustee knew that it had to be that way and I think keeping all that way up until that moment at the end of the film that's the power of the dehumanizing effect of television you dramatized through personal experience. So when he tells her. You've you our television your shallow. You have no feelings hurt. The devastating truth of that on her face is is so powerful. And and you're right that it's such a weird layer through the movie and really only until the end are you. Does it pay off right? Like you're Kinda like why am I even following this dippy love story between this old man and this young woman which is the oldest cliche in the book and even as they're doing it they know they're playing out this kind of doomed soap opera together? In fact there's all these great referential moments where building has a line in his office. Where it's like. I'm supposed to be the romantic. And you're supposed to be the young entre nous now like he kinda. They caught the script calls out. It's exactly what you're talking about that. The roles that they're so that they're so obviously playing even as themselves in the movie. You know what I mean. That's like it's so crazy. What ABOUT DIVALL? Do you think of him when you think of this movie ever. I realized last night that I would a went through Robert evolves credits. Now me too. I boy is that it was at a roller coaster. A roller coaster. Almost saying what what I thought about because I saw so many movies that I don't remember him being in which I don't think is necessarily. I don't think that says something bad about Robert duvall. It's just something that I can't quite square. Do you mean that these are movies that you've otherwise heard of the vaccine that I don't remember him remember what he did in that movie. Oh because I was gonna say I can't think of another actor who when I look through his IMDB page. I think how did this guy get away by with being considered one of the greatest actors of his generation which he is but he did so much Drek for fifty years like he made hundreds of terrible movies that I completely forgot about and yet it just shows you both if you stick around long enough to hit legend status? We Imbue so much into the actor on screen. So we'll see him now. You know he's Tom Hagen He's all these conic roles right but my God. I had the same experience I was like. He took everything. I mean even after Godfather you think a string of all these forgettable movies but I guess that's the difference. He's not that leading man tight that could forge a career. That way. I guess in your own way if you're that kind of character actor you're always GonNa have that part in a movie. That sometimes isn't all about you right. Well he became a different guy in the course of his career. You know you go back. And you look at a lot of those sixties and seventies credits. He's the character guy you know. He was the original Frank. Berms and mess. I was one of the ones I was like. Oh that's right you know you didn't play it badly He was he was doing these kind of character roles where he you know he was he was a serviceable guy. Who kind of you know. He hit the part well and and he worked worked. Well in ensemble tied movies commend. It wasn't until the eighties when he started to get into this kind of cowboy thing now with the lonesome dove. And the tenors. I realized yeah. I think a cowboy. He's from San Diego and went was trained in the Meisner School of acting. It's meeting my boy. Shout to a civil action. One of the great great films that I love with Travolta and divall as his Legal Nemesis Classic League career character actor Duvall role. This recoil asked me to bring this to you. When did he ask me just now on your lunch break fan? I must never go to too much to do all. Just grab something you know. What if I were you? I'd make a point of taking an hour or so away from all the noise. Insanity this place. I should do that. I find a place for myself where I could go. That was relatively quiet and peaceful. Have a sandwich we'd magazine maybe just to a game. Out of fenway. If one was on and I'd make sure everyone knew I didn't want to be disturbed in our source solid because that would be my time my own private which no one if heading sense of self preservation at all would interrupt which is full of just funny little quirks and ticks the way unwraps a sandwich or bounces a baseball or a tennis ball listens to baseball on the radio. And I don't want this. I don't want this brilliant discussion to move on without making some mention of Peterson. Oh my God For people who don't know you know one of the Academy Award for this movie hostile Nestle He can't remember died before he was. I think he knew he was nominated but he died before the show was broadcast. He was not a well known actor in the United States. They sort of stumbled onto him a little bit by accident and his performance in. This movie is so stunning unbelievable. They could not have a been more fortunate. Define this guy you know the famous Scene where I'm mad as hell. Cd's did in two takes. Sorry I have to respect Patty Cherokees. Memory I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. So for the record. That's kind of a debatable. Point too because I noticed that anytime. Peter Finch says it. There's an extra sort of British ads in there when anybody else when the when the crowd says it or if you go back and look at any of the. They dropped that dropped. It was only Incheon. Whoever said it that way yes he what you're actually seeing. The movie is the first half of the second take then cut onto the second. Half of the first stake correct. And I'm glad you said that because I was going to bring that I would never have been able to get that mental math correct in my head. I hope I said it. I think he's either sending correctly or you said exactly the reverse but one way or the other. It's true one or the other one way or the other. It's true and at that point after he did it. That lament got so worried about Finch. Because he was not in great health and they were worried that he was going to collapse for real if they went if they went any further. Unmet Mehta made a decision that he wasn't gonNA tax finch any further an shooting that scene and and what you see is pretty much. You know outside of out outside some creative editing Is a one to to take seen? And it's like it's unbelievable. Peter finch actually died in front of Sidney Lumet in the lobby of Beverly Hills Hotel. They were on the Oscar. Press Tour City lament came down into the lobby and saw Peter Finch sitting on a bench cushion and as while he was approaching him. He saw finch just collapse off the office cushion. Any said he knew something was wrong because when they were doing those scenes that you're referring to he was nervous faller. He said he he had put all these cushions down and he was always very nervous about collapsing. And how he would collapse him. Not injuring himself when he collapsed. He said this fall was so natural in his so slow that I knew something wasn't right. It's it's like it's mind boggling. To think he he died in front of the the director like just before the Oscars and not to mention. I don't think we're spoiling the end of the of network. It's a sad ending the sad ending for for For Power Howard beale sad ending them. You know the the the film that he would Become that would become his greatest was also Swanson again before the ask you know. The Great Appear O'Toole story told on Letterman about his drinking escapades with Vinci. If you're my friend the late Peter Finch We would in Dublin together on the lash lash that means usually having a drop of something cheerful icy and then doing leaping and shrieking and saying awesome and FINCI was leaving living a few miles out of Dublin and I went back with him to his house. We're going to spend the night and it was too late about four ish four. Am and there was a tiny little hole in the wall ball and we thought we'd just drop-in for the last one we went in and we had a couple of drinks and the Barman with tiny. Little really dirty boys. You had enough having no so since you said No. No no no no no no no much more. No no no no no says he. You're out so we bought the bar. It's one of the great stories ever told as only tool can tell it and it's second only to Peter O'Toole story about Richard Harris and they're drinking escapades in the annals of the most brilliant carousing actor drunken stories of all time and but yet the city lament didn't think FINCI could do it because he had an Australian accent and this is such an American role I think. Finch submitted like an audio recording or something of him reading. The New York Times in in an American accent. And that's kind of what solidified a bit even in his Gospel. They kind of say like frankly they were up against it like it wasn't like it wasn't it's a choice that worked out brilliantly. But he's Kinda honest in the book that he started like frankly. We really didn't have any other option. You know like they've exhausted all of these people with chocolate alternative casting. Okay so a lot of these tchaykovsky would right so much around the screenplay and left behind so much notation and so much thought process committed to paper that is had such an incredible trove of lists of actors for every roll some of which were never approached and others of which formerly turned it down. I love the story of you. Mentioned a hostile a couple times the hospital. So George C. Scott. Who was the lead role in that film with someone? That they I thought of for Howard beale right and I guess when they approached George Scott he tried to get his then wife the role of Diana Christianson right and she was kind of his wife was kind of a Broadway kind of actor actress. I get the impression but she was not at least not somebody that I remember. No to their credit. The producer said George. I'm sure she'd be fantastic. But the studios simply going to insist upon a star in the park like they there and Scott said he was like I was interested in doing exactly he could have done it. I mean it would have been now. It's Peter Finch. It belongs to him forever. Henry Fonda Henry Fonda to hysterical for Henry Fonda. Right until swearing probably. Yeah who else these are. Our Howard beale Howard beale Jimmy Stewart. Oh Okay Gene Hackman turned it down for Howard Beale Don't see it says William Halton also turned it down. I'm not sure if that's true or not right. But he wanted That they want him. I guess I guess they wanted him. I know that Ned beatty replaced the original actor for that for that role right when they had rehearsed with the rehearse. A lot of actors considered for the Diana Chris Enroll Candice Bergen. Ellen Burstyn I think Ellen Burstyn won the year. I think that Chinatown was also seventy four. Maybe they were both nominated the same year Natalie. Wood interesting studio suggestions included Jane Fonda Keaton Joke Labor and Marsha Mason. Some of that could say sign on about. Martial Mesa. It's all I have for alternative casting another interesting thing about Tchaikovsky. He is the only person to ever have won three Academy Awards for best screenplay. Okay by himself there. There are other three time winners. Woody Allen Francis Coppola Charles Bracket and billy wilder but all of them were co writers so there are five people who have won three Academy Awards for best screenplay but Tchaikovsky's the only one of course to have won all three of them solo which is crazy. Yeah and the other two of course. We're Marty and the hostile as you mentioned. Yeah do you know that? Also what it's called found in Chaska papers and I love this detail. Not only did. He draft a entire corporate hierarchy for the fictional network. Ubs He also drew up. They complete seven-night. Primetime programming grid from six. Pm TO ONE AM with entirely fictional shows that he created with says such evocative in Snidey reductive titles as Surgeons Hospital Pedro in the PUTTS. Celebrity CANASTA paired on Wednesday evenings of course with celebrity Mahjong Lady Cop and death-squad. None of this information would make it into the screenplay but it's part of the background that he would do. I want to take this opportunity to take you a little bit into my childhood. Which was that? I was a kid with very active. Fantasy life washed. Tv One of the things one of mine sort of like childhood fantasy hobby things was that I had imagined in my mind when I was about nine or ten years old. I would play this little thing in my head of imagining an entire TV network okay emailer to the TV networks. That I've you know that I That I've said about on TV. And I did something very similar to what Jonoski did which was On Notebook paper I would write it out prime time. Tv schedules. I would think of what am I. What am I shows where we're going to run on on my network. What actors would be in them? I wasn't quite knowledgeable enough about a corporate or corporate org at the time when I was in years old but I did go through the steps to of imagining what my own. Tv network was going to be and And in particular. I was obsessed with T. E. News And I would. I would create the fictional characters who were gonNA play. The real life Newscasters on the morning show. And the and the the six o'clock show all that stuff and I'd never heard of the movie network until I was later on when I was a teenager but this TV network that I invented when I was ten years old. Wait for it. Ubs Wow we get that yet now in my case it was the it was the United Broadcasting System this can in case it was the union broadcasting threat. So I don't know I can't use a little bit of chicken and egg thing but that was the I really identified with the Tchaikovsky's imagination In in putting his network together so listeners can look for Rick's forthcoming autobiography. I was a teenage Tchaikovsky. Yes exact- is you have this on the wall of your room and I kept getting in a three ring. Binder still adding all my God. I can't believe you don't have it. That would be amazing. I mean my last guest had his little league scores from nine hundred seventy six remember. I kept. He kept all that material somewhere got lost. You seem like an archive type of surprise. You don't have that. Well I have some other things for my child's GonNa find my I can't find my. Ubs network notes. Believe me. I looked well. This is a good segue into your latchkey. Tv selections. If you're ready to do that you're the only person yet on the podcast to selected evening news. One of his childhood television viewing. Let's start there because that's just so unique and brilliant than I laughed out loud when I saw that One of your sections was the ABC. Nightly news wait for people with Frank Reynolds. That's a deep cut from ABC. This is world news tonight with Peter Jennings in London Knights Robinson in Chicago Barbara Walters with insiders reports and from our desk in Washington Frank Reynolds that evening. Nearly one hundred of the American athletes personally affected by the president's order to boycott the Moscow Olympics went to the White House today to hear a personal plea for support from the president. So yeah when I was a kid and I in a we were as as this segment goes I like you was a kid who come home from school. And there'd be nobody there rank luding my single mom who is at work And so these hours between school and nighttime homer were spent watching TV. They were capped off every night before mom got home with the ABC World News Tonight. Which in an odd way. I found very comforted. It was something about you. Know the masculine voice of of you know paternal figure coming in at Where I grew up at five o'clock news the six o'clock national news and this Guy Frank Reynolds I thought was very handsome and dignified and I love the way. He talked And he actually brought a lot of a lot of comfort to me as as you know a bit of a lonely nerdy kid and I loved to watch. The News Fed it also fed into my whole fantasy about. What was it like to be behind the scenes at at Network News? Would I ever have? Would I ever have the chance to work in a place like that? You know it's funny because there was the network news and then there was fictional network news in the movie network and then later in my life. That was the real network news when I WORKED AT CNN. And all three of them were pretty much alike. Really not that much difference. I really weren't that wasn't a great deal of difference. You know there was some way. There was some ways than that when I got into working in at work news that I was in. I was a little bit jaded by the time that I left but He was pretty much what I thought it was going to be. There's a great story. Were Tchaikovsky was talking to John. Chancellor formerly of NBC News. And saying John. The way this crackup is written in my screenplay that ever happen in a real news environment and John Chancellor said every single day that's right identify with what you're talking about the news. I was just made me think that in this time. We're living through right now. How much we miss a Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw? Who could bring us this terrible news? This distressing news this scary news of what's going on in the world today this pandemic that we're living through but could do it in the way that you're talking about could give us some hope amongst the different stories that were called for our consumption in that evening news broadcast which is such a lost thing. I know it is still exists but I certainly haven't Washington twenty years and I don't know anyone who does. Yeah a main. In my household we were we were in. Abc Household Interesting Choice. A or an NBC house. All right and I. I was thinking about this list because I realized you have more credibility. It's a more credible choice for you. Well I'm not necessarily making making a qualitative judgment of one news. One news channel versus the other. I'm thinking about. I don't know what was going on. In my household we were. Abc Family for whatever reason and so we were watching. Abc shows only one. I got raised on watching. Abc News. That was that was a that was our channel like it. Was you know it was like something that you pick up as a kid like your religion is forced on? Or you know or that. My parents were Republican so I was supposed to be Republican and my parents watched ABC News. So I washed washed. Abc News and when the kids next door were watching like the NBC. Show was like what that shows. No-shows crap no I don't watch You know the team or whatever because it's not on. Abc Yeah ABC News in the seventies and eighties. Had sort of a I think of it. I think hard clinical news like no bullshit. No No frill no no like NBC's always kind of a little warm and fuzzy right Brokaw. The day restraint Brokaw and and like a Peter Peter Jennings era but even Frank Reynolds as you say it was such a such a Stentorian definitive person right and ABC News Vokes. This this is the way that it is. You know. I had this this affinity with With Frank Reynolds and he died. Yeah radically yeah. He died when I was probably twelve or thirteen years old. And they brought in Jennings but now do you think that your predilection for the evening news had to do with the single mom home. Like here's a man who is communicating to me. I'll absolutely no. I think I mean a lot of was not only that the newscast himself being a paternal figure but you know it was he was he was a man in my house where I where I didn't really have one. Yeah I would agree with that. Okay let's move onto another completely rick brown choice if ever there was one the John Davidson show right from Hollywood. It's the Davidson Joe. Young play something right off the bat. I've been growing a mustache for nine days. And would you write to me if you care to and let me know what you think of it? It's not in yet but it's coming along. I WANNA find out first of all where our audiences from you can we? We have a representative group. Here this has to do with our show today. Anybody HERE FROM EAST. Coast from the northeast. I don't know what kind of penetration John Davidson show had for other people or if they even saw it was the first show when I got home from school again. I'm talking here. Nineteen eighty six or something like that. It was the thing on an had to have been on my ABC station when I turn on the TV there was John Davidson. And I wasn't particularly a fan of John Davidson but he was ubiquitous. It was not the people who John Davidson is. He was this kind of Glamour Guy. He was You know he's a very good looking kind of Hollywood type. He had gray hair hair. He's basically a support system for great hair. Yeah he had great he was all he had own TV. Talk Show militant. He had this nighttime show. That's incredible great show Which I was fascinated by he was on every TV network. Sort of you. Know Like Guest Ensemble show you know a love boats and the Fantasy Island Battle of the network stars. Battling every show he was on every show and in addition to being an actor and and a An talk show host right. I see your aircraft the actor. He was a terrible saner. Who did this kind of merv Griffin thing? His thing was that he open every show by singing a song. Yeah and typically. These songs were kind of like Not exactly top forty more like sort of like adult contemporary his Asia. Yeah maybe like A. Maybe it's sort of like a soft country song This guy would walk out there instead of doing a monologue John Davidson. He would come out there a lot of times with the fucking han-jo which to me was like the most Hillbilly instrumental pick up and he was in this. You know this sophisticated Hollywood studio playing the Banjo and singing. Some carpenters saw an oil a little bit my experience with John Davidson against seeing him on every shell and seeing him as the first you know first friend after school was a little bit of hate. Watch because there are other things on but I could not take my eyes off John Davidson and he was so campy and Corny I just got. I was obsessed with. He wouldn't have Henry Winkler but he'd have answered Williams that kind of speaking of the ABC family. Yes exactly yeah. It's funny because here you are. Abc News purist with a with with Frank Reynolds and then like the complete opposite of a Frank Reynolds would be a John Davidson. Who is basically like a support system for hair without much other talent to go around it yet ubiquitous? Because I guess willing to do all Oh my God God bless the Hustle. John Davidson absolute. He's all right. Let's get into three to one contact I think is after show I grew up on religiously it is a substantive show for not really children per se. I think like preteens but not so much teenagers. I guess right but you mentioned the bloodhound. Gang would occur. I love it. Tell me about it well let me say a couple of things about this First of all for people that are now three to one. Contact was a science based Show you know aimed at maybe the tween market You know our teenagers even but a little bit older of a kid watching TV after school and what they would do is there was a cast of these teenagers and they would put them into these short little kind of documentary films. Where you know the you know You Know Miguel would go visit a solar farm or something like that and learn all about it and they would do these little education science pieces but actually that's not the part that that I was obsessed with what I was obsessed with. If you remember Jason they would. These kids would come into this space. Be they'll be after school and they come into this room. We know where you know with a backpack full of their their books. And where were they? What was this place this bike science clubhouse with this with this nice furniture? They're hanging out. Yeah it was a hang out place but you know you and I would come home to an empty house and wait for mom to come home from work. These teenagers after school would go to this. This hangout where there'd be some botanists sitting there waiting for them you know to explained You know to explain photosynthesis Soto synthesis or something like that. I I I could not ever get over the fantasy of having a place to go. That was like this because it was it with you. It was such. It was such an odd setting and they never explained. It never explained where these kids were supposed to be a what city they were in. They were in or anything like that. It was such a warm comfy couch. Plays and these. Teenagers would sit around and made rap about science. The bloodhound gang specifically used science to solve crimes right so the bloodhound gang was a live with a little Six minute segment. That was always at the end of the show. The other pieces that they did were you know like I said they were nonfiction mound game. What effective agency that will run by teenagers? again where they would use their knowledge of science in order to Solve solve a robbery. Yeah Scooby Doo style right. All the crimes were not We're not murders Usually there was insurance or something. That might be interesting as it now. The other thing that I want to say here about the bloodhound gang is that the bloodhound gang. One of the stars was this young actor Glenn Scar Pellet sure now I was a time the show was on Glenn. Scar Pelly was about my age. Say a twelve year old and he was this incredibly photogenic Italian kid from New York with great hair like the young Italian John Davidson. Really exactly you might say that and Trying to think of ability best way to describe what was happening between me and Glenn Scott Pelley because or emotional I it was. It was the first time in my life that I realized that I wanted a boy as more than a front. I WANNA Glenn I wanted to be Glenn Star Kelly's boyfriend yes And he was talking about John Davidson being on every TV show lands star. Pele in the nineteen eighties was also everywhere. True addition to being on the bloodhound gang in the early eighties. He was He was a one time on. Cbs as the he was Alex the kid that for whatever circumstances kind of becomes you know under the custodianship of on. Oh yes on. He was on that she was on that Sitcom on. Cbs and then he was on another Sitcom a short life. Sitcom on NBC called. Jennifer slept here only. You can see me outrageous. Dan Midday the stars don't Janna. I land remember that Jennifer slept here. Was the story about a family that moves into this house. That was formerly the House of owned by this Deceased Hollywood starlet. She for some reason you know haunted this old mansion that she wants lived in and the only person that could see her was the teenage boy. This is too good. Yeah I mean wow was it was. It was a ridiculous setup. It didn't make any sense and there was all but then there was some kind of weird forty thing going on between the teenage boy and Jillions character but the teenage boys best friend on the show was played by Glenn Scarf Kelly. And I I'm telling you the Glenn Scott. Pelley was on to an almost free network shows at the same time. He was the Patti page of his era. I don't know how did this. You'll be glad great agents of a little disappointed that this didn't work out. But I I D M Glenn Scott Pelley by the way is gay. Oh yes I didn't know that he and his husband own a TV station in sedona Arizona. Oh my God. He hosts a kind of like a kind of new AIDS lifestyle. Okay sure very sedona. Yeah sort of natural living idea him because I wanted to confirm if I got my facts straight that in nineteen eighty-four that he was on that he was on on sitcoms onto networks that same. I'm yeah I think it's an enormous accomplishment for a kid his age sure I'll also in addition to being on. Tv shows at once he also had a singing. Career won't Maine. Did you get a response from Glenn? Scott Pelley when you slid as the cal- I thought I thought maybe it would be benign enough that he would just sort of like the he might be able to respond to me but I never got a response back. Okay well when this comes out. Rick we will tag him on. Instagram. And we'll make sure that he is aware of your Phantom now. Did you know? I don't know if you listen to our episode on the outsiders but Glenn Scott Pelley auditioned for the outsiders. Oh I didn't know that. And we play a little audio of his audition tape or you played that. On on your on the podcast. Yes oh I didn't realize yeah there's some great outtake footage of the VHS recordings that Coppola made of everyone who auditioned for the movie. Everyone in Hollywood under the age of thirty auditioned for the movie. You got audience. Yeah got audio men. Go download the episode. Listen to it. Remember that part of the show that asked. That's probably the little. If you drop that into your d you probably would have got back to you. Okay wow good soliloquy on Glenn Scott Pelley. Yeah I still love I can tell. I'm so grateful that you came on that we did this. Incredible zoom recording session for the podcast. I can't wait to put this together. Do you have any final thoughts that you'd like to add? I WanNa ask you about Colombo now my God. Thank you so much because as you know the recruits the move cinematic universe. Why more thank Colombo in Nineteen ninety-three Now? I've tried to track it. I couldn't find a free soda of Columbo Whiz with Faye dunaway. What I WANNA ask. You is in regard to Colombo. Yes do you consider the ABC TV movies? That were made mostly in. The nineties are there. Are Those Colombo. Can they are not Canon? No I have them. I don't watch them. They are missing something essential. That makes Colombo Colombo. I could explication exactly why that is but it's simply unfortunately late career retread of a successful character without any of the stuff that actually made the character great. In the original TV series episodes Faye dunaway. Actually won an emmy for that. And you can look at it. There's some clips online if you look at the Faye dunaway clip which will play a little up here wings. You hear good news case. Saul you the killers you pull them. And it's been three and a half hours. I can't stand this crash as a matter of fact I call it the funeral home. You just left. They told me you were here. Guts up before you photograph something thanks. I don't smoke them. Okay nation still wrangling with this report. You GotTa help me. I spoke to the manager. And he tells me Mr Franchisee obsessive meat man. True Guess also tells me that the made the COMEDIANS. Today's conscientious workers. That accurate. Really's department was always very clean and orderly well. Now here's the problem. You can feel the inertness of it. You know you can feel the lack of something but it's Kinda hard to put your finger on exactly what it is. They are interesting as artifacts of that really specific late eighties early nineties. Time because everything in that that may be the thing that I'm most referring to that. Maybe the weirdness of it all is that it's kind of like it's it's it feels like a hangover for some some previous better. Tv decade. Like we haven't yet figured out how to make good TV again. So we're kind of in this time of like sure let's get Faye dunaway and Peter Falk together to do a Colombo movie of the week special because what else do we have on the board. It's kind of like a chef's kiosk example of having nothing left to throw on the air thing a comparison this like it's almost like lowest common denominator. It's we'll just we've got we've got. We've got something that we know it works. 'cause it worked fifteen years ago so just put it back on TV. Did you find any other Columbus cinematic universe in relation to network wanted so bad for there to be a Peter Fitch? I know I was hoping I was hoping. But there's not bill holden It is a ripe candidate for the CU. But I think he. I don't think he had to do it and so I don't think he did. But no such luck of all the cast members to have done a Colombo I would say Faye dunaway would have been my last choice like I couldn't believe it. Rick that's brilliant. Well I'd love talking to you about all of these amazing pop cultural moments. Were definitely GonNa do this again. You're a fantastic podcast guest. I don't want you to start your own podcast because I want to monopolize to a guest on mine fantastic. So don't do anything to stay right where you are in that room. Wait wait for my call. I gotta give it putting on a couple of my plugs. What do you got coming up? Anybody can go and See Most of my writing if they're interested fiction writing my website which is R F brown dot net can Dm Me follow me wherever instagram and twitter at our F Brown words words. That's with a not a Oh people can also find a short story. I have about figure skating. That's coming out in the fog lifter. Queer Literary Journal on April Twenty Godden while Richard be safe. Be STRONG BE. Well thank you again. All right buddy be good. I'll I'll talk you. Thanks so much for inviting me to do. This has been a lot of our so fun. Thank you rick.

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Shea Serranos Great Movie Debates

Slate's The Gist

32:37 min | 1 year ago

Shea Serranos Great Movie Debates

"What you're about to listen to May include some potty talk then again may not I hope it does though Tuesday tober fifteenth two thousand nine hundred from the gist I might Pasqua Democrats are having a debate oh sorry wait and build a global business helping others you can hear her story on that made all the difference new podcast about the defining moments in the lives of six achiever about the LGBT forum that the Democrats held last Thursday nine candidates one night one stage but because of last Thursday's debate I thought that we needed to highlight that claim? Let me refresh you about what. CNN said Oh platform but the stage was visited by a consecutive stream of Democrats not all the Democrats at once I after founding the Huffington Post Arianna Huffington worked around the clock until she experienced a wakeup call that inspired her to change her life manned an apology or at least some clarification from CNN or I'll never be able to trust them which were phrase that encapsulated the that's not in reference to the people who want to get into the White House but in reference to the state of the current occupant there in Donald Trump is not doing a good job also not of the news endeavor there were involved with I'd like them to just say about promoting this debate something like star Clover Yeah you can find that made all the difference anywhere you get your podcast created by Bank of America what would you like the power to do Eh growly so growly and of course they do this statement twelve candidates one stage that is the fundamental requirement of a debate night is it not one ah Yang one stage but this time it's concurrent unless the one stage thing it's just sort of reference to cancer no no stage working microphones lights that plug in and with steer clear by Char Ricky Rubio boil let's biopsy it later sorry kind of an insult to boils I know but I Chase Arana writes about basketball and other things it'll be the subject of our Spiel you have that to look forward to Donald trump sub-standard we now have the diagnosis but my main reaction is let us I land the ringer but he also writes and talks about culture those are some of the other things so what I'm saying is those other things lately overwhelmed shays output those other things you're that you're that one stage so that was a CNN promo talking about one stage but what happened if you saw it is yeah there was one stage single an audio book which is a whole nother what I'm getting at is the name of the book movies and other things right young Klobuchar Covington's dire tolliver wiggins right I'm just naming random members of the Minnesota Timberwolves but you'd have bought it right so many people coming to you fast in October Fifteenth at eight live on CNN now just admit right when they're throwing names at you if they had snuck like molly in there you went into notice Shea Serano is a culture critic sports writer and other things his last book basketball yeah he half which is actually a good thing if you read Shays new book which can be purchased in a store as a- thing a physical thing Barbie perhaps downloaded from the Internet of things or listen to his and I really liked the setup of the basketball book I like that it's like a bunch of little it's individual chapters that are sort of sewn together with like a connected well he's been on this show to talk actually about basketball but also about his podcast about villains and on that tip is the new book movies and other things a collection of questions asked answered illustrated Shea thanks for coming back on what up yeah so was the idea did the idea come from let's just do what we did for basketball for movies or was there something else driving it that's what was your basketball book came out and did well enough that the publishers were asking for another book it allows you to like pick out the stuff that you do like an really lean into it which is my favorite thing in the world do pick one little thing and just write about one tiny piece of saw what I did bask- basketball and other things was a huge bestseller share known for covering basketball these days for the ringer he does it extremely individuals subject that's a good way to describe right better than I did so for instance I saw Armageddon once or twice and I tissue you can read it in any order you want and doing it that way the number one it's like a sneaky trick that absolves U. from having to cover all of the history of everything right number the movie for three thousand words it doesn't claim to be the authoritative anything except the th the authoritative reflection of what shays passions are on this hurry to beat saving private Ryan but the some of the other movies that year American history acts the Truman show. There's something about Mary and here's the big one your time's Democratic presidential debate by Warren centers who ditch Harrison Booker O'Rourke Stein Glacier Gabar Castro twelve candidates was the big Lebowski So if you want to say Okay Shakespeare in love shouldn't one I'll buy that but if you leapfrog armageddon a big Lebowski way you watch that and don't get a little teary eyed if you can wash that scene and not getting teary eyed then you probably should not by the book the book is just about that picture it's a very touching movie it's a fun movie you've got like a bunch of star characters in go back and watch it like Oh my God we had Ben Affleck the people the feel of what they're in for who's in the perfect heist movie crew that's a good one I pick one the social networker get out even better do you want to read it Kidding me Shen man I I like Fargo better like to me that's a top five Coen brothers movie but right it's pretty important I'm on a book so that movie came out what like a week before you had to close on the book this is the most recent you went big on this movie book smart which Critics Liked S. about Friday what's the order of the gangster movie moment fictional draft and this is a three parter fictional drafts are really important movies you put them in the same high school and you figure out what the hierarchy would be yeah I really enjoy doing that sort of stuff I think that goes back to like when you're a kid and you watch like an put ninety nine thousand nine when armageddon quote unquote should have one Shakespeare in love one and that was a big thing that was the first time the Miramax people showed their muscle or pull their tricks or their chicane we'll see the and this is not necessarily the point of the book when isn't the fun of the book that you should read this and you should see that and you should go like absolutely not Armageddon get along and that sort of fun to play with where the girls from Book Smart Fall in that high school hierarchy is she is molly still president of the class if Regina George is the queen we lay out like a bunch of we the template for the characters you often find in these movies the nerdy guy the the jock the smart girl that like pretty girl whatever you have the ones you sit in a theater you watch this movie it's so funny and it's so smart and it's so clever and obviously important movie that's going to not do great in the movie NBA Yeah because those are two separate things George was not interested in that she wanted the royalty you know what I'm saying Yes the reason book smarter so interesting Bruce was where we had lived in this we had mike we had like so many characters quit Stephen Nurse you've got that that Great Ben Affleck Bruce Willis scene at the like there's no what happened to the big little like you should send me it's all about more tweet it's all about arguments that you could have the chapters I'll just read a couple of chapter titles couple days ago Scorsese criticize marvel movies comic movies is not cinema and off the bat of course people don't like anyone any with all the high school movie characters and high school is largely based on like social interaction so the chapter is going to be based on that we're just GonNa put them all together and see how do they sorta the fresh prince of bel-air boys to men shows up yeah you know what I'm saying or you or you whatever your favorite it was it was what's happening and the Doobie brothers yeah the public was a little less enthusiastic than the critics and how long had that been out from the time you saw to writing it in the book this is the that have that were like these are the characters you need and then book smart shows up and it's like the evolution of like Tracy flick character and there's this new thing now and from the one of those movies you have to take so many leaps of logical faith and down to this they have the avengers fight a horde of whatever the horde is maybe the second time has gone on and it didn't mean much to me but for you and you make a passionate case about why Armageddon literally should should have won the best picture well you could just do this to get out of that or that to get out of that or you know if your iron man and if you're so irresponsible you're gonNA kill yourself thirty five times over in every at heart and that one yeah you do a thing where you get every character from a high school movie or most of the one ones from the big famous high school guy talking in a Hoity toity way about cinema I kinda think he has a point though what do you think no I disagree none none here's my here's my point here's my case for it's not what genre then if they're drama they have to tell us something some essential truth about the human experience I don't think they do because of the superpowers inherent in the they're fun move let's just acknowledge that maybe there's no definition they're fun piece of entertainment but to me a genre it's the same as a basketball team you guys are you need somebody to post up in the corner when I kick this out to you you hit this three I don't I don't need you to score twenty seven points a game I need you to source seven point des- book chapter in here I need to delete something from there and replace it and we're going back and forth and he was like all right if you can get it to me by Sunday we'll put it in there so poor laramie right right you have thor who's literally a God and can kill thousands of people at a time and then you have black widow who could you know Ninja kick one or two person the story without the book was done it was a hundred percent finish I had turned it in I sent it to my editor Sean I'm like Sean were done congratulations don't email me again for six weeks here but it's going to have a long second life so as soon as we get out of the theater I'm like shit I need to email sean right now and I email on Sean just watch this movie and I we need to put this of of actors who always play one type and then someone else comes along and takes all their roles so for a time Wesley Morris has doing a one bombastic thing maybe there's something like under the surface to but isn't traffic bickel way more layered yeah absolutely it's easy to see now but that's a good example of that about how comic books are viewed as low art and like paintings or whatever you just hire you WanNa just it that's the same conversation we're having here just because a person in like a black turtleneck and and then on the way out of town we stop and I I really WanNa Watch book smart this is not going to be a movie that's in a Lotta theaters or for a long time let's go see it before we leave we went we watched it of the comic book now I think I think they might be the point of the comic books but I've never watched a movie where I've earnestly empathized with the characters because I'm like can you drive to corpus she's driving I'm typing in the car we get down there we just are in the hotel all Saturday all Sunday we don't go anywhere Peter Finch wins it for network over Robert Deniro for taxi driver Okay Yeah what do you think of that would you cast network is pretty good but yeah but Peter Finch ankle can tap into that is different it's different things that's a good one John Turturro gets replaced by Steve Academy every part that was going to John Toro the way that the Oscars were you get five years away and you're like wow we really we really bought one I was thinking of this as an idea or a chapter for the book I always had this theory the Green Mile I dunno names I couldn't picture Michael in baby boy like you there's a viciousness that being can tap into and there's vulnerability characters Oh you're absolutely wrong here the whole the whole point the challenge is to tell you a story about mankind like that's literally the point I need to take two tomorrow I think he can I think he can do a little more if for no other reason they can both be like someone intimidating sort of slimy guys uh-huh Horn rimmed glasses says it's a one thing doesn't mean it has to be that one thing you go back can you a recast or re evaluate some academy the tone of voice will not compel Americans to watch CNN debate arguments references director players so CNN and but two zero you look at something like what he did in Miller's crossing when he thinks he's going to die in the forest yeah I don't know if bosomy could have done that role but I feel like uh-huh and they're all given their little tasks give me a break thor would just crush everyone maybe with the hulk and then the rest of them could do I don't know inventory afterwards no nights and get two rebounds this reminding this reminds me of I just watched a documentary about bill watterson and the guy and he had like this whole big fight gene ten in twenty years ago with your kids through the eyes of your kids and have they other some movies that appreciate and some movies that depreciate one hundred percent it's a it's a good example this is one of my favorite things to do with the boys the twins or twelve now you're able to articulate why they like or don't like a movie so I like the first movie tomorrow could have sat with a little girl in the empty swimming pool and been like the crazy guy from connor do you enjoy watching the movies do you enjoy watching movies words but you started in what year ninety five okay I went back and there are some horrible ones but what do you think of the best actor Nineteen seventy-six yes okay all of these actors are great they just got a little mark corrected ving rains and Michael Clarke Duncan okay they're all up for the same roles and for a time you had to go with ving there was the like this he calls it market correction yeah somebody shows up and it's like you're done yeah I'm the better version that's right that's exactly so it's market correction has some that I have I luder yeah something like that happened and then your brain you're like Oh my God they know each other all the same thing it feels like I really I really like the movies are so much fun like the F- When they first started mixing them together like Oh my God the avengers movie is incredible because we've got all these different things going on in this so so let's let's do that owner like you know doing this whole thing and Larry me and my wife and I we decided we're GonNa go on a little vacation let's get out of this let's get out of the city we're going to you know go have some fun city of San Antonio only thing and then Mark Clarke Duncan shows up and at least you have choices I think those two have different energies though like I couldn't I can't picture being an and here going forward that character will be in the movies and that was like as soon as I wash Moore are this is GonNa this movie will live for a long time but I know the lead times gets offered to me he takes half both of those both you're looking Italian are like very talented dude yards in some excellent excellent movies if I've got a picked off I'm casting my movie who I let them watch we watch together like you need to see is blood sport like that's the one I was like I watched that movie I remember falling immediately with John and we got done on the are drawn we like kicked a chapter out and we're like slide this one in fits perfect it was like a thing that was meant to happen feels like so when we're talking about van dam and I was like oh whatever he's doing I want to do that at all times so they got they got old enough we started we started watching that and some of them they they like a movie like that it doesn't require a lot of special effects it's not hard to follow a Chongli comes on and they play the scary music and you're like that's that's the bad guy thanks for decorative Peru and thanks for listening sleeps really important but how do we get there you gotta calm your mind notice the word calm your mind because if you sleep well for more focused you're more relaxed home the number one APP for sleep I downloaded calm you have a choice between a male narrator and a female narrator on different nights I choose different people it makes us happier it just makes us better people the people that we want to be in our dreams dreams were sleeping is why we've partnered with mark it asks all the right questions Shea thanks for coming in this is a great deal of fun thank you talk to me about different subjects I listened to it in my home and it has helped I'm gonNA use the verdict Klum me Dan gotten less snooty than we used to be like powerhouse charismatic roles I think we're more willing to reward them with an Oscar nomination so now she's GonNa get it and I hope the sleep goes in the background John Four Shea Serano is out with a new book called movies and other things it has great a little problematic with Hustler's one too many slow motion shots of four bad asses walking you know three or four abreast I would watch a movie they made it yeah exactly the pieces fit but recently we we watched raiders of the lost Ark. Oh yes and movie that I loved as a kid 'cause I watched it when I was lead you to bad choices and weight gain just looking for sugar fixes maybe even depression what com has a whole library of programs designed to get you the guests and if she doesn't get it I'm setting cars on fire you know what this to complement book smart they did not do something that I I found sleep that you need over a hundred sleep stories when I say the people who narrate have some quite famous people drome Flynn from game of thrones I can't now the six year old watched it and loved every part of it he's like this is the greatest thing I've ever seen I have a tape of my kid was seven watching the movie just literally saying because sleep deficiency does a lot of damage to your brain and your body when you start getting in a cycle of good sleep it leads to more sleep cycle of bad sleep You know do it in a movie for ten straight minutes and I promise you I will sit there and watch them walk in slow motion for ten straight minutes what about the flip the lighter and the fire the greatest videotaped him all the ones the twins though they do the part where they like come out of the airplane in the in the raft see a l. m. dot com slash gist thirty million people have downloaded com find out why a com dot com frie you know that guy if you want to seize the day in sleep the night use the help of calm right now just listeners get twenty percents baffling ride down yeah do you have thoughts on Hustler's it's incredible I figured you'd like Jennifer Lopez yeah she's coming to get the Oscar that's ball goes off and you walk slowly away toward the so good you'll watch after ten minutes I'll watch it had they ever combine those three people walking the three of the fireball like an actual Oscar performance. You Watch if that will be comes out today no question she's getting mentioned in Oscar right right we've gotten snooty or nobody off a com- a premium subscription at calm dot com slash gist since they're near homophones I will spell it out she should have got twenty five years old Selena maybe the most important pop culture Latina Mexican American we've ever had when she played her and she played her as well as she temperature will help you get that aforementioned eight hours casper famously has free shipping and hassle free returns if you're not completely the thesis yes I think that's what I'm saying Casper is asleep brand that makes expertly designed products to help you get your best rest one night at a time act if you're not you might not be getting the eight hours of sleep so it's one of those statements that's dependent on the premise to execute when we say expertly designed we are talking about how cleverly they mimic human curves and the mean way not in the curve shaming way but a complimentary mimicry mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery. Am I saying your mattress flatters your curves no I'm saying and the weight that was the second one wasn't it which wasn't template gym where they oh yeah that's the only watch do but they see that part we cannot do anything but focused on removing this clearly overmatched wantonly reckless man from an in code checkout terms and conditions apply thereof there's still almost entirely on the trump train despite that there is for the first time it congressional effort document and prosecute just how unsafe unbelievably sensitive position we have to execute so much care and so much attention we cannot confuse voters we cannot over stuff memory foams for quality sleep service with the right amount of sink and bounce it's breathable because sleeping cool at night regulating your body now the Spiel Donald J trump not good at being president he's really not fivethirtyeight poll of polls has and they're like this is this looks awful dad I just watched endgame supposed to believe that this is real the little one though can we get a raft can we it is brought to you by Casper you know you spend a third of your life sleeping if you're lucky if you're getting the eight hours of sleep so you know what I say I say you should be comfortable that's even gently banked it's like we've sent in the bomb squad they have oh so gently lifted the bomb off the ground fifty point three percent of the public support impeachment forty three point eight percent opposed I want to be clear by poll of polls we mean poll of Americans because the polls as impeachment with a wishlist say of other very obviously impeachable offenses we should not do that for fear of losing the Deli now is not the time to wonder about the wiring later we have unexploded ordinance people here's what I mean George Conway has written it mimics your curves it provides support of comfort for all kinds of body not in the body shaming way the original Casper mattress combines multiple supportive full trump has been and to put an end to it but we are told and I do think this is right that to achieve that aim we must remain focused is fight you can be sure of your purchase with Casper's hundred nights risk-free sleep on it trial get one hundred dollars towards select mattresses by large piece in the Atlantic really laying out donald trump's narcissism dangerous malignant narcissism and how that alone disqualifies him from slowly very slowly they're maneuvering it to a safe place for what we hope is it's eventual defusal but people from Poland they want a name an airport after the guy also to be extra clear it's a poll of polls not a poll of Paul's because the Republican legislative version Clinton's co-defendant indicate yeah I haven't heard size that big since dicamba tumble got fitted for a jumpsuit office he was on Pre Piranhas podcast and I'm GONNA play you a couple of clips so perhaps you're wondering if the stress of being an outspoken and eloquent critic of the hit grasp we have on the brakes we cannot yank to suddenly we cannot yank to forcefully and should not yank if we sense that we're going around to turn accident while living under the same roof as the president's chief December and enabler has taken a toll on George Conway let's see if we can pick up any hint bend. His reign now is not the time to get into diagnosis of why he's failing this time to contemplate the fundamental mental I trump is but the fascinating thing about this is my reaction upon hearing the case laid out it wasn't oh my God the president is clearly a malignant narcissist disorders afflicting the most powerful man in the world mental disorders that have been carefully laid out that completely proved that the president is profoundly unwell of the DSM A diagnostic institute the allegations of the complaint which was confirmed by admitted by American Psychiatrist Association Principles of Medical Ethics says that unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about a public figure who they haven't examined or about George Conway's motivations maybe I said he was waiting for a post White House life where he and his wife Kellyanne and slash gist this episode of trump's nature bars members of one profession from engaging in discussing it now in the past I have theorized I have speculated eight of the weight upon George Conway shoulder in I don't know his manner or affect richer and use the diagnostic criteria from whom they have not obtained consent that's fine that's good for a psychiatrist's it's the difference between ethics and morals right it's unethical for a psychiatrist who engage in the diagnose ooh shake shack now neither what helped anyway conway makes a good case that trump is a basket case or not to be Glib a malignant narcissist and platform of twitter where else you said I just don't get it why not just do the right thing worse thing that could happen to you is that you have to get a real job could set up a shop for Republicans and they would represent all kinds of Republicans the pro-trump and he never trump republicans but I no longer believe that this is the get there are people who are not in a position to say or do anything there because they're junior whose livelihoods don't depend on this there are people for example who are no longer running for reelection in Congress understand is you've got all these people clearly shifting uncomfortably in their seats when when they're faced with the things that Donald Trump said he's having heard this interview having read him extensively not just in this Atlantic piece but an op eds he really does seem like an aggrieved person a person of honest conviction we really should do something about the president being malignant narcissist my case was more like no no not now they've got him on these charges tangible charges that could sitting casper dot com slash gist and using just a checkout again get a hundred dollars towards select mattresses by visiting Casper Dot com slash gist and and that's fine that's fine I believe as a condition of the interview so my assessment now is this George Conway telling the world that Donald Trump is a horror listen to preet reading to George Conway a tweet by George Conway and you said the following recently in the last few days I think on the are people who are independently wealthy there are people who can just go back to the private sector and what I don't assist but it is ethical for a good journalist to assemble a compelling case that that should be the diagnosis the gold water ruled does not change the ontological truth and that he has uncovered the psychological reasons as to why he is a horror he's also saying that he honestly does not understand the motivations of those who serve to advance it's a luxury to consider those we do not have time to indulge in that thank you thank you trump for that by the way this is nothing about the goldwater rule you might remember the Goldwater rule section seventy Who happens to be married to the very embodiment of his stupid vacation? Here's what I mean by stupid I mean synonyms bafflement despair answer I think he honestly just has no answer and his baffled baffled that his wife joined a cult or maybe he realizes that but you'd always be able to say you did the right I it's one of the mysteries to me about this era now I will come clean about perpetuating ruse or maybe motivated reasoning will rain it often does when human psychology is in play us in our task of defusal and that's it for today show the Justice Bowl in even tougher circumstances than George and Kellyanne Conway I guess when trump is out of office the Conway's will divorce or were they not in a financial position of comfort comfort they're vulnerable in some fashion but there are people haarer and I believe them and the proof that he doesn't understand it is that he lives with a chief handmaiden of the horror and he has not another fine just producer points. Well maybe modem fly did that which is why Jason Bateman Stars and Teen Wolf to not Michael J. Fox the gist nations or an analysis of the American voter American electoral system or media culpability because as I have said the bomb is ticking let us not be defeated interesting to contemplate what will one day happen just so long as we spend no time on it now nor do we spend time picking over the root causes or the I was listening to that podcast shouting myself in my own mind George George it's in your own house and then pred- asked him and Georgia said I won't discuss my family it does and I think ventured conway went on to describe an incident with Iowa Senator Joni Ernst but really I couldn't even listen to the rest of his answer because as his wife wasn't who he thought she was I understand being in a marriage for the sake of young children it's not always the right choice but it is a lot of people make and a lot of

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Reise-Neuigkeiten aus Montreux, der Genfersee-Region und dem Kanton Waadt in der Schweiz

Peter's Reiseblog und Tourismus Podcast

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Reise-Neuigkeiten aus Montreux, der Genfersee-Region und dem Kanton Waadt in der Schweiz

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Rdesheim im Radio - der Rdesheim Podcast von Peter von Stamm

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Rdesheim im Radio - der Rdesheim Podcast von Peter von Stamm

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Das Glottertal - eine Reisereportage im Reise-Podcast von Peter von Stamm

Peter's Reiseblog und Tourismus Podcast

25:38 min | 1 year ago

Das Glottertal - eine Reisereportage im Reise-Podcast von Peter von Stamm

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TOULOUSE im Reisepodcast von Peter von Stamm

Peter's Reiseblog und Tourismus Podcast

24:15 min | 1 year ago

TOULOUSE im Reisepodcast von Peter von Stamm

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CBS Sunday Morning April 28, 2019

CBS Sunday Morning with Jane Pauley

50:56 min | 1 year ago

CBS Sunday Morning April 28, 2019

"Today's Sunday morning podcast is sponsored by tracks tracks. We know there's a place for would in your backyard. We recommend the firepit. But when it comes down to choosing the right material for your next deck. Look no further than the superior beauty and durability of the number one name and outdoor living treks delivers the look of wood without all of the work in the worry. And it's made from ninety five percent recycled materials, which makes it the right choice for your backyard. One hundred percent of the time picture. Your next deck is built with tracks. Visit trucks dot com to order samples. Good morning. I'm Jane Pauley. And this is Sunday morning. If a stranger came up to you and said, tell me a secret you might very well decline. But what if that someone offered you the chance to reveal your deepest darkest secrets? And honestly, that's exactly the offer. One man is making to the world at large as Lee Cowan will report in our cover story time when we share everything I'm social media. Frank Warren is asked people to share what they wouldn't tell anyone. I would take a postcard and handed to somebody say, hi, my name's Frank. And I collect secrets people look at too little weird. It's still feels kind of weird to say to the honest with you complete strangers have mailed him their secrets he's got more than a million so far and what he does with those secrets base apprising later on Sunday morning. Our Sunday profile is of actress Joan Collins, a veteran of stage and screen who has loads of personal stories to tell our Morocco. Of the nineteen eighty s TV show dynasty will never forget. When Joan Collins made her entrance as Alexis Carrington. I was very young when I married this to Carrington her ex-husband's worst nightmare and the woman everyone loved to hate this. I'm like mom night to light meal. Lose me bitch. Ahead on Sunday. At home in Hollywood with Dame Joan Collins. He was mad as hell back, man. And he has plenty of imitators. Now, our senior contributor Ted Koppel this morning on the career and legacy of imaginary newsman Howard Beale. Moon forty years ago, fictional television, anchorman, put forward the proposition that the key to big ratings his high. This anymore. Seem seem is no big hit on Broadway. When you're mad enough. Then were figuring out what to do. Well, it's worked for many people. Angers? Ahead on Sunday morning from there. We're off to the lake a lake our Bill Geist remembers. Well. It's been forty years in the making book all about my favorite vacation -ly lake user written by one of our foremost. Authorities on the subject me you'll hear about it ahead on Sunday morning. Faith Sailly shows us the works of free to Kalo on display Rita braver has the intriguing story of famed author Harper Lee's attempt to write a true crime book. John Blackstone tells us all about Broadway. Newcomer Taylor MAC and more coming up when are Sunday morning podcast continues. Right. You're most closely guarded secrets on a postcard. Then pop it in the mailbox. It's an offer. A surprising number of people can't resist. Tell me a secret is our cover story reported by Lee Cowan. We'll every week. I still feel like a kid Christmas morning with all these kind of gifts to go through and for me time just disappears. Frank Moore is one of the few people who gets more actual mail than Email the old fashioned kind. Homemade postcard. About one hundred show up at his home every week and ridden on each one is a stranger's secret a confession of sorts sent the Frank anonymously. When people I love leave voicemails on my phone. I always save them in case they die tomorrow. And I have no other way of hearing their voice ever again. You called me an idiot. So I sent your bags to the wrong destination hoops, I guess you were right? I read every postcard I keep every secret. I think it's a precious and singular archive. That's how you look at it as an archive an archive of our hidden selves, and our guy that now numbers well over a million secrets and county my older neighbor led the weeds grow knee high in his yard. It looked terrible. Then he died and at dawn on me that he just needed help. I'm sorry. It all started back in two thousand four when Frank was working on a suicide prevention hotline hearing, plenty of stranger secrets, he soon realized something. Ball. Sometimes I think that maybe one of the reasons I started the whole project is because I felt like I needed a place to share my secrets and stories. And so thinking, I was creating for others. Maybe maybe I needed at the most myself. These are the postcards. I started the project with with the simple instructions, I would take a postcard and handed to somebody. I'd say hi, my name's Frank. And I collect secrets people look at your little weird. It's still feels kind of weird to say it, honest with you. But the idea grew and grew and grew there are no limits to the artwork that you could put on a postcard, and I've seen all kinds. I've seen people include a photograph that collage drawing. Sometimes people send me objects. Not even postcards subjects I've received secrets on coconuts purse, the license plate frame of flip flop. You name it if it's in my mailbox somebody's probably mailed it with a confession on it to me. Every for the last fourteen years. He scans a few and shares these stranger secrets on his blog posts secret dot com. I think I've learned that everybody has at least one secret that could break your heart secrets like this one. I tell people I'm new in town to explain why I have no friends. I've lived here my entire life or this one. I'm getting weight loss surgery next month. And what scares me the most about it isn't a dangers or complications? But that I will finally find out whether people dislike me because I was fat. Or if they just hated my personality, then some ways, I think when we keep a secret that secrets actually keeping us in what way. In what way maybe haunting us, maybe inviting us to reconcile with part of our past hiding from maybe keeping us from having intimate relationships with others or ourself. I have eleven secrets that. I've never talked to anyone it is both my biggest fear and my greatest desire to find someone. I trust enough to share all of them with. Post secret has become a phenomenon having had more than eight hundred million views today, not only that. But it spawned six books and several exhibitions this one currently at the museum of men in San Diego where you'll find it. As quiet as a church. There is a sense of I think respect and reverence for the courage at took for everyday people to really open up and share something with stranger. They've never done before. Among them are humor's ones. Like this. I worked at the apple store in judge you by which color ipod you pick. But many of them are pretty tough to re I pray every night that I won't wake up in the morning. This one read I don't think God is listening. Here's another dad. I know you keep your gun loaded and unlocked, the reaction is usually just like this is incredible. Believe what I've read this is really special. It is a little overwhelming to hand me and camping. Erica Kottayam is the director of exhibit museum in his never seen. Response to show quite like this. You oftens read one that hits close to home. But is really something that feels like it could be your secret visitors are encouraged to leave their own and each week, the museums mailbox of secrets, he's overflowing. Some of those one day be posted on Frank's plug to there's always at least one every week that hits you either right here in the gut or right here in the funny bone Natalie store was first introduced to the project by your therapist. She started putting posted notes next to the secrets that resonate with her. But one in particular, she says changed her life. I tell people that I don't believe in God. When really I just refused to worship God with my grandfather hurt me like he did. I was sexually molested when I was four by maternal grandfather, she had been therapy for years. But not until she saw the pain of others mailed the Frank from all over the world. Did she realize it was okay to not be okay? I can't tell you what it's like, I can't tell you what it's like to be sexually assaulted. You wouldn't understand? I can tell you. But you never really get it. But there's somebody out there who does that means that I'm not a freak. It means. I'm not broken. I'm not a failure. I'm not from Christian straighter tell you. I don't even know you. Frank. No takes us secrets on the road. College campuses like here at North Carolina State. But someone who has been getting four years to live. We're both nineteen. This one came from campus. He talks about the power of releasing a secret. And then he has students to try it. Gay which something what stood out semi erica's in Henderson, even more. Sometimes just by saying the secret out loud, you make it go away. Frank doesn't know how long he'll continue to be the secret of secrets, although kid mitt stopping may not be his choice the secrets keep showing up at his door. And he keeps reading inspired humbled. Sometimes said, but always comforted in the knowledge that we're not as a loan in our thoughts, as we might think I think secrets are inexhaustible like poetry or songs, and just when you think you've seen the funniest one or the most romantic one, the most hopeful one the most crushing one you'll get one that's still takes your breath away. Won't. Goto gurus Gaudio? Because that's the only place you're gonna find any real truth. Peter finch's portrayal of a Mata's hell anchorman, and the movie network violated all the nineteen seventies norms of how television anchor should behave as Ted Koppel is about to show us times of short change. This is the CBS evening news with Walter Cronkite. Named patricia. If you're of a certain generation these names and faces will vote memories of gentler time in network news. Cronkite chancellor bring Clinton Reasoner our, ladies and gentlemen. There was Howard be lying. His network UBS where figments of penny skis imagination tchaykovsky the screen writer for the nineteen seventy six movie network in which an anchorman with lousy ratings is fired art imitating life. And then Bill the trade here by Peter Finch makes this on air announcement since this show was the only thing I had going for me in my life. I have decided to kill myself. Would she said I'm gonna blow my brains out right on this program a week from today? Ten seconds to commercial tune in the control room staff is of Libya's viewers are not public reaction provides a reprieve a Howard Beale. He's not fired. Indeed, he's encouraged to go on being spontaneous unpredictable, cue heart. And he does is all I know is that I got to get backed you've got to say, I'm a human being God damnit. Life has menu the fictional anchorman. Howard Beale has stumbled onto a reality that will enemy too. Into the prison. Success lies in the incitement of anger. Stick your head out and yell. Hi, hal. I'm not gonna take this anymore. Three Howard today is Friday September the nineteenth. And I'm Howard Beale today. Frisch version of network has now playing to packed houses on Broadway, all of you to get up out of your church right now. Go to the window it stick out. Bryan, Cranston is Broadway's modern incarnation of Howard. What makes it so relevant is Howard Beale rails against his audiences addiction to the tube to television to this evening draws the men even as he draws them in. These days if people want to express their anger, they don't have to open the window shout. I'm mad as hell. I'm not gonna take it anymore. What do they do? They'll put it in a tweet. That's wrong. That'll get you. And they reach a lot more people. And, but there is also a a sense of privacy that they think I'm just going to put it in a tweet. I don't have to tell the person directly. I'm gonna let this device send the message what I find. So fascinating about the about the play the same theme from the movie to this ability to mobilize anger. Well, it's worked for many people. You know, President Trump is. Is a brilliant mastermind in that regard. He knows how to get in stimulate one way or the other either pro or con, but he knows how to manipulate and stimulate and work that and massage the energy of what that is. Put me indeed have begun as satire in hundred seventy six gradually infected an entire industry. Anymore? Howard beale. The man prophet of the airwaves spawned a generation of inadvertent imitators under attack everybody's under attack. Donald Trump is bringing America back in front of our eyes. And it's time for the un-american haters to get on board nonsense. He's right. This time. We people just really Epping hate him. You we the American people. We were lied to over and over and over again, you constantly appease Republicans in corporate Democrats every day. Let me show me what pleasant of article about progresses, whatever their login on cable television or social media, however, closely or loosely, traffic and truce. That anger. My daughters who this is the first presidency that they're really witnessing firsthand. This is horrendous actually worked fumes of Asians than from three generations of communicators, whom we assembled on the Broadway stage of network elder statesman. Dick, wold one time. President of NBC news new I should point out the model for mex- shoemaker happy, the president of this news division. Yes. I was on the record continues to be the number one cable news show in its time slot. Twenty-five years, Greta van and has been a fixture on cable television, the only occupation specifically protecting the constitution is the press. And you would think that be some stroke, higher moral obligation realize, you gotta make money to keep these networks going to not go so far on the limb to go so far out to generate those ratings that everybody wants which brings us to Carlos Muslim who appears on the news and opinion website, FOX, this might be the most important chart for understanding American politics. Kern lose you quickly conclude did not take anchoring instruction watching old tapes. Cronkite. I don't want to rely on the crutch I look like a news person. I want to convince you that I'm making a research driven argument, even the Republican obsession with tax cuts is a relatively new phenomenon. Reagan is worshipped as Taqtaq now, but he actually raised taxes eleven times during his presidency. The million more in taxes than the bus driver report less. Ronald Reagan into the resistance to answer a question. What is the nation or rule of journalists? It's not just to tell people. What is important? It's to make those stories attractive and desirable. An interesting in a way that compels them to watch. All these cable networks watched the ratings minute by minute by minute. And they know that if people are screaming at each other or some guests says something outrageous or some acre call somebody Aligarh, it will spike the ratings little bit and the viewers say we want more on human trafficking, and we don't want that kind of thing. But they're watching it news as prophets center. Business model of television networks came together around nineteen eighty begin including nightlong dick wold was then senior executive at ABC news. How did that influence what appeared on the air? I'm not sure that the people inside the system knew how it would affect things other than to be more budget minded, I think the people outside the news division looked at it. And made it a driving question. Carlos. You had been quoted to me as saying that the muckrakers and capitalism are them are incompatible. Exactly. My most extreme controversial go ahead. You Marxist pig? Explain what you're talking effort. Humans want things that are bad for us. We want sugar in our food. We want alcohol and drugs we want sex on TV that poses a challenge. Because if you create a marketplace in which people have access to everything that they want the stuff that's bad for you. We'll win. And if you look at the ratings cable, news networks that is certainly empirically true. The the more you lean into fear endings -iety. And Jiting full threats creating an idea of their outsiders. Come in to get us in the more people will tune in. We are hardwired to follow our fear grid is twitching different. Do I actually think that the viewers are smart? I think we present information to them aggressively scrutinize those in power, and I don't think that I think there are a lot smarter than I think you do cure convulsing over convulsing. Just a point. We're not addressing all of these news operations have become a smaller and smaller part of a bigger and bigger entity the heads of which have no connection to the they don't want bad news produced, but they are not involved in. And it is not their essence to be involved. That's what this show is all about. Yes. That's what that's what Howard Beale is screaming gone away from humanity corporation remote controls strike us around. Put an end to this madness strike of blow for sanity Santoni right in the middle of this. Maybe in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. More like a documentary and set yourself free, dammit and cut to the ad break. Greek. Now matter of mystery, featuring Harper Lee, the author born ninety three years ago today, we know her for her published novels to kill a Mockingbird and go set a watchman, but could she have been working on another book Rita braver has done some digging. More than four decades. The mysteries remain Slough did in the fog that rose in over lake Morton and the woods that surround Alexander city, Alabama. They original mystery is a series of suspicious and unexplained deaths. White are Casey sept- says that the other mystery is equally. What happened when Alabama's most famous author Pulitzer prize winning Harper Lee of tequila Mockingbird fame came here to work on a true crime book about those deaths. She does a tremendous amount of reporting and research, the mystery is did she write a book or not? And if she did wear is it so let us begin with the tail that broadly. Here it centers on Reverend Willie Maxwell an ordained Baptist minister who also worked in the local logging industry. Credibly capable of quoting scripture and struck people as overly polite, then one night, a long country wound nineteen seventy his first wife. Mary low is found dead in her nineteen sixty eight Ford Fairlane, she was found both to have been bludgeoned and strangled. You know, it was staged as a car accident. But there was never any thought that she had died from the car accident. The Reverend was charged in her death. But as sept- details in her new book furious. Ours is nineteen seventy-one trial in the local courthouse ended in acquittal. What happened was the state star witness changed her testimony, the Reverend would later marry that witness, but before long she to ended up dead on the side of a road as did his brother and a nephew despite intense investigation. Authorities could never conclusively link those deaths to the Reverend but locals like Robert burns had their own ideas. He believed in killing man people said he was a psychopath, and he was and people really thought he was a practitioner of do this. Yes. Doing not. It turns out that Reverend Maxwell had insurance policies on every single relative who died, totaling at least half a million in today's dollars. And when the insurance companies grew suspicious, he called the same lawyer who got him off on charges of killing his first wife a lot of people around here need at if you were looking for someone to indefens-, you wail he went to say, Tom Radan Ellen price. And Madeleine Kirby Rodney's daughter and granddaughter say he was. Just doing his job. There was no proof up until the in that it was a murder that there was anything around. But then in June of nineteen seventy seven another death, surely and Ellington the adopted teenage daughter of the Reverend third wife was found again along the side of a road. It was made to look if she was changing a tire and that the car had fallen on her. But in fact, she had been strangled before she was put under the car, the whole community mourned, including Robert burns who says, Shirley and was like a niece to him. I loved her. And she loved me as three hundred people gathered for her funeral. The Reverend was immediately suspected of the murder by the police and by burns if he came today few I had intentions of doing what I did. And you did what Shannon. And you killed him. Yeah. And when Robert burns needed a lawyer who should step up to defend him. But Tom Welden me, the reverend's longtime attorney the story became a national sensation and attracted a distinguished visitor who pointedly slipped into town Harper Lee who had not published a book for seventeen years, it's an auspicious moment in her life. And she's had a lot of years of failure that she's trying to turn around, but Lee has his her childhood friend Truman Capote in researching his true crime novel. Thank you in cold blood. As depicted in the film Capote tournament. I'm going to find out where that girl lives. Can't do that alone Lee decides she's going to try her hand at crime writing showing up at the two-day twelve where attorney Tom ready actually gets Robert burns off on a temporary insanity defense. Lease starts interviewing scores of locals. Rodney becomes one of her top sources and sodas burns. She told me she rented a place in annex city to stay in. She gathered all if a Mason that she needed to write this Mook Harper Lee spends years working on the book, but she never publishes anything much to her despair as Casey Sep learned when she uncovered this letter his thanking him for his loving offer of council, it's Whitten to Gregory Peck, who became leased dear friend, when he played Atticus Finch in the film of to kill a mocking bird. His she then tells them that her agent wants pure? And autopsies my publisher wants another bestseller. And I want a clear conscience in that. I haven't defrauded the reader, but Sepp found Lee was also haunted by her own demons, and that is everything from depression to abuse of alcohol, and those kinds of frustrations seem to manifest themselves. More and more Harper Lee died in twenty sixteen my van attorney Tom Rodney had passed away too. But as his family started going through his files, a story Ling discovery when appears to be the first chapter of Li's book, it is numbered at the top four pages stapled together, titled there, Reverend it starts with a lawyer Lee called Jonathan Larkin getting a phone call in the middle of the night. This is Reverend Maxwell and the police are here at my house accusing me of killing my wife. Will you come down and help me? Whether the wrist of the book exists is still unknown as Harper Lee's papers remain under seal mysteries on mysteries. God bless Harper. Lee. They didn't end when she died, and like the story of the Reverend himself who ironically is buried next to two of his suspected victims those mysteries still haunt the shores of the Martin Alabama. Make room at the table. Steve Hartman tells us companies coming. Mccue lovers. Brad's barbecue Oxford Alabama is heaven on earth, but eight year old Eleanor Baker says her visit here earlier this month was especially divine. I think it was a God thing. I thank God sent me there. You think we needed the example? Yes. People care about other people and how important it is Eleanor is a widow she lives with their dog Rufus, and although she has a big family. They mostly live out of town. So Eleanor was alone the night, she went to Brad's barbecue security footage shows her entering there in the purple and at about that same time these three young men arrived. They say they were just having a good old time talking when Jim are you Howard noticed? Eleanor older woman in myself tomorrow says he hates seeing people eat alone. And I sing when most of us see someone eating alone. We feel that way. But our sympathy. Never solves anything. And Jim Mario really wanted to fix this. So we got up from his table in sat at hers. He just came up. And he said I saw you sitting over here alone. And he said, do you mind having some company she said go right ahead? And I introduced myself, she introduced herself is kind of how it all started the all ended up having dinner together. And it was just a really nice pleasant evening with those twentysomethings did that night speaks volumes about their character. They say it wasn't entirely altruistic. They enjoyed her company as much as she enjoyed there's because when we lifted it's always talked about we made that kind of connects with somebody is hard. Let it go. Like, I already feel like we're guarantees room for these guys in your life. Glad calcat Nike of all out to make room for one another. And certainly if eleanor's right? The God played any role in this. It may be. Be to remind us of the joy that awaits just outside the bulks. We live in used to say when I was younger, and I still said today, I'm going to change the world somehow, and I don't know how I'm not read. I'm not famous and I'm not very smart. So it can't be president. But we can tell the world that is all right to be kind. And then before long, maybe the world be a much better place. Amen. Mini still like that. I know what I want when I see what I want when I see what I want. I want it. Do you want us? Hi want. It you got it you mind, if I. Little little little it Sunday morning on CBS. And here again is Jane Pauley. Let's Joan Collins with Bob Hope the nineteen sixty two movie the road to Hong Kong, but even with multiple screen roles to her credit. It's a particular TV role that really put Collins on the road to celebrity mole Raka has our Sunday profile. Nineteen hundred one what she doing. What's going on Joan Collins strode into dynasties courtroom into television history? I was very young when I married is to Carrington Alexis Carrington next. Maybe social Phipps, my specialty the woman the entire country love to hate custom realized that when I was driving down some of our and these little kids were in a school bus. And they look wins that Alexis Alexis, we hate you. We hate you. In her native England, even the royals tune, Dan, including the Queen Mother. Oh, yes. Dynasty. We will watch it. I said, oh, and do you hate me said, oh, no, my we view it makes me so happy to know that the Queen Mother was more of an Alexis crystal person. Yes. Too bad crystal that despite your obvious craving for the kind of money, you're really developed any any sense of style about how to use it socially did success at that age feel especially sweet oh in my forties. Yes. I was like I was one hundred. But do you think? At eighty five. She says busy as ever Cup. Dan, seize the day because you have to think of every day is the last day of your life in one day. It will be. Depressing is not the first word that comes to mind. When one meets Dame Joan Collins, finish epi drum whether she's chewing the scenery with relish in American horror story to say that acting was wooden would be unkind trees dishing onstage about her many story life. That's has the number five. Gipson husband number five F Y thirty years younger than she is his seventeen years anniversary. She was born in one thousand nine thirty three. The eldest daughter in a show business family bestselling author. Jackie Collins, was her baby sister. There was a very creative. Imaginative household imaginative. Yes, we always always doing something as a teenager. She studied acting at London's legendary Royal Academy of dramatic art. How did you fit in there? I was the one that old boys who are off to cue me. I'd like it very much pretty soon. Hollywood was after her to in nineteen fifty-five to girl in the red velvet swing landed. Her on the cover of life magazine. It was really my first starring role in America. I got a lot of mediocre reviews. She's beautiful, but can she act as a contract player with the FOX studio? She screen tested for the role of Cleopatra, which famously went to Elizabeth Taylor. Don't you want Egypt? They're worse and very big people who from his me this role. If I would be nice to them. This was the costing couch. I was dancing with one of them in. He was the head of the studio, and he said, I can put you up in a nice little apartment, and I'll come and visit you and he'll not only get old best roles Faulk. But we'll see that you get Cleopatra. I said great idea. I'm he was my agent j Kenta that's go and talk to him about it. Did you know that by doing that, you might be scuttling it? Yes. But I'm never ever ever going to settle for giving my body to some land a row or even young man or anybody would never do that ever. Although she did have some very steamy. Romances you've had some great love affairs, and I one baby. Yeah. Were you in love with Warren Beatty? I think so it's like Prince Charles said, whatever love is we used to stop on Sunset Boulevard at the news agents, and one would look through Mudan screen and see if we had pictures magazine, Harry Belafonte. Yes. Well, that was very romantic and slightly on the forbidden list. Are we mad Allah? We would buy betas sting island in the sun and the sparks flew. I would say he wrote about it in his book too. So I'm not telling tales out of school and along the way three children and those five husbands, can you? Rank your husband's best to worst. Well, Percy by filed the best at high. A worst. Well, it's up put tweet Maxwell read the first one and p two home her second husband actor singer songwriter. 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Actor Glenda Jackson Is King Lear

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Actor Glenda Jackson Is King Lear

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from mayo clinic when you are searching for answers that can change your life. You know, where to go mayoclinic more. At mayo clinic dot org slash answers from WHYY in Philadelphia. I'm Terry gross with fresh air today. Glenda Jackson, she's on Broadway in a new production of King Lear, starring as Lear. She finds it remarkable that she's playing the role of a man as we get older. Those absolute barriers that define Genda begin to crack. Jackson took a twenty three year break from acting while she served as a member of parliament in the labor party. Sometimes she was controversial when prime minister Margaret Thatcher died Jackson was jeered by conservatives. As she spoke in parliament about the values. She thought defined Thatcherism greed, selfishness, no cat the week. Shop L. Shot. They was the way school Jackson has one to Oskar two Emmys and won a Tony last year. My guest. Glenda Jackson is starring on Broadway in a new production of King Lear when her Shakespeare's greatest tragedies Jackson plays Lear giving her the opportunity to take on one of the most challenging and prestigious roles in theatre history. But it's a role that for obvious reasons. Always goes to a man near times theater critic Ben Brantley wrote, she is delivering a powerful. And deeply perceptive performance as the most royally demented of Shakespeare's monarchs unquote, King Lear opened on Broadway this month, but Jackson had already played Lear in a London production that opened in two thousand sixteen at the old Vic that's year. She wanted Tony for her performance in the Edward all be play. Three tall women. It's been an incredible return to acting after serving twenty three years as a member of parliament. She was elected in nineteen ninety two and step down in twenty fifteen her career before that. Included Oscar winning performances in the nineteen sixty nine movie women in love in the nineteen Seventy-three romantic comedy a touch of class. She won two Emmys playing Queen Elizabeth the first in the nineteen seventy-one BBC series, Elizabeth r which was shown in the US as part of masterpiece theatre, let's start with a clip from the new Broadway. Production of King Lear Lear has decided that he's old and it's time to unburden himself of his responsibilities as king and divide his kingdom among his three daughters. No, we have divided in three hour kingdom, and I intend to shake all cares and business from our confronting them on youngest rates while we on bed. Earl who on deck? Glenda jackson. Welcome to fresh air. Thank you. The first thing people always seem to want to know is why as a woman playing King Lear, and what's it like to be a woman playing Lear? So you I played him in twenty sixteen at the old Vic in London. Why did you want to play Lear who would refuse the opportunity to work in play of that stature? I mean, it is such an extraordinary play. Like, oh, let's Shakespeare essentially he owned the asks three questions who are we what are we wildly and this particular blades, just astonishing human nature is immutable. And so in the sense, it is the most contemporary play around the minute. We in England had been engaged in kind of gender bend wall. Really? And the marvelous company that was created and succeeded in winning. Those battles. They did all of Shakespeare's histories with over women costs. And so in the sense that battle was over. And what was really into one of the really interesting things for me playing. It was that nobody ever mentioned the fact that I was a woman playing a man having seen the play. And also the other interesting thing I found in doing it. When I was a member of parliament part of my duties was to visit out people's homes day centers things of that nature, and as we get older, those absolute barriers that define gender begin to crack, they begin to get a little bit foggy and break up. And if you think about it, I mean when we're born we teach babies don't we always girls as we get older we begin to explore. I think raw the more. They'll turn the tips to are defying gender. And that certainly for Lear is quite useful. I want to. Elaborate a little bit on how you see gender boundaries blurring or falling away with age and to apply to your own life as well. If you find it applicable. Well, I think I'm a bit of a cheat. Because when things tough and kind of direct way in my real life. I don't have any qualms about playing the old car. Do you know what I mean? I mean setting as far as underground is concerned young people do get up and and of me as seat the first time it happened. I felt absolutely mortified. I now I'm beginning to get to the stage. Where expected in the mortified if it doesn't happen but nine times out of ten thousand, but in direct reference to the play the things that he kicks out being, you know, he's a guy no one during his entire life. And he's eighty years old in this play has ever said no to him. And suddenly someone does say no to him, and it all begins to crack for him not in that immediate moment. But that's the story of the play. And so those aspects of him which were over. Vertically masculine because that was the era in which he lived the environment in which he lived begin to move from absolute, I'm rights and everybody else is wrong. That's a simplistic way of putting it do actually evaluate whether he was always, right? And he begins to doubt it, and that's very interesting. Are there lines from Lear that have the most meaning to you either? Personally, or that you find most powerful or dramatic to say as an actor. I tried to avoid that I try to observe the world through the characters is but people who see the play do point out lines that a particularly meaningful to them. I was rather regret that they do that. Because then it gets kinda stuck in my head. And I have to find another way of finding first time. If you see what I mean, I think I do that. You don't want to sound like a famous. Line. You want it to sound like like, it's as of its, you know, it's direct thought. I mean, it's it arises out of the scene that Joe trying to create with the other actors on on the stage. Yeah. But I mean, you know in one's own time. There are lines that sort of reverberating echo. Yeah. Psychiatrists have tried to diagnose Lear like like is this dementia related to age is at some other kind of like cognitive disorder is at manic, depression, you can read all kinds of things that psychiatrists have said. I know you try to be inside the character not outside the character. Nevertheless, do you think what he's experiencing is the onset of age related dementia. I would think it was somewhat unlikely given the time in which it was written. I have you know, I mean, gosh Shakespeare is in my view, the most content. Temporary writer there is. But I think at the time the play was written people living to the age of eighty would have been a fairly rare occurrence, but nonetheless, it is undoubtedly the case that as I've said I've seen it as we get older those kind of gender barriers begin to crack. But also, people must've experienced walked we are experiencing now as we all living too much greater age of the mixture of what is physical and mental decay. And it is in fact, I think a big backhoe for most western democracies? How are we going to cope with this the cassette? And if I look at my own country, we now have a much larger nonworking by virtue of age in retirement population than a working population. How we can look after I elderly if we are all going to go down that road. I know we're not gonna go down that road, and they will be I have no doubt advances in medical science. But you know, it is something that I think was still tending to think it'll be alright ilmenite and deigned. So the there's the language, of course, is as written but in the production that you're in. Now, you've spent part of the play wearing a tuxedo as do other male characters. The the the costumes are pretty contemporary the furniture is kind of contemporary. So you have this mix of the original hundreds of years old, text and contemporary updating that we physically see there's also music by Philip glass, who is you know, a very twentieth and twenty first century composer. How do you feel about that coming together of, you know, the old tax with aspects you say the otx forgive me VIN dropped in you. But there was a celebration of few years ago. Remember what it was either? It was Shakespeare Berthel shakes his death icon. Remember? A my grandson school that there from the age of three and two eleven but I think they about seven when they did this the school celebration of Shakespeare in that way, the teachers went round with their mobile phones, you know, with the cameras on them and each class had to had given were given specific Lear line from Shakespeare to say into the camera, and this was compiled into a film, which was delightful, those children had absolutely no difficulty saying any of those lines because the majority of the apartment Postle everyday language now, I mean, just think of the stuff that he wrote and how we use it. I mean within the play I'm transferring it around forget and forgive her prices fallen I mean. That guy was just incredible. So we've been talking about you playing King Lear, let's hear you as Queen. Elizabeth the first in an extra year EMMY award winning performance in the BBC series, Elizabeth r which came to the US as part of masterpiece theater. So in this scene, you're the new Queen. You're twenty five years old and unmarried and your council is trying to pressure you to marry quickly. A member of your council challenges you to accept a suitor in front of a Hocquart. And by the end of the scene. Everyone around you is kneeling, and here's my guest. Glenda Jackson with actor as midnight. The Archduke Charles will be most happy to come to England your majesty, and I shall be most happy to see him. But if he comes he will come here as your future husband to that. And if else would become syncopal, I have often to the imperial ambassador imperial ambassador doesn't tell your majesty as well as. I do. But he knows how to listen. The two ambassador magistate listens to what he's meant. And not only to what is said. Then I will say again and meet it the Archduke Charles may come to England as our guest guest as the husband Bill choice. I have not said that, but you have invited the two chows to your call. I have said he is welcome. Very welcome your majesty. I hope welcome as any other guest would be. I'm glad to hear it. I to king Philip and tell him that you have invited the Archduke Charles to England. And that he comes here as your future husband, if he comes on those terms he had not come at all. Your highness. He said he was to come here. I have never invited him. I have never said I would marry him. I have never said I would marry anyone. Real magic. There was a scene from Elizabeth are with my guest. Glenda jackson. So we've heard you as King Lear. We've heard you as Queen Elizabeth having played. You know, fictional king and portrayed an actual Queen did make think of gender differences between kings and queens oh of much so because setting as far as Elizabeth was consent. And I mean, that's face it. She'd had the most tumultuous upbringing heaven. She I mean, HAMAs head was chopped off when she Elizabeth. I think was three she had all these various stepmother's ofter. Couple of who also went the wave over flesh. The hands of her father has sister who took of the throne was not particularly in favour of. And there was always this pressure upon her when she did become Queen to marry to ensure that had line continued and one of her extraordinary strengths. It seems to me having read histories, and one thing another was that had great strength was that she didn't make. A fast decision, which is in marked contrast to what leads us she would vacillate. She would put things out. She would delay stuff. And then if something happened like, for example, the trial of Mary Queen of Scots and heretics Q she would blame everybody around having done something that she claims she didn't want to happen. Now, she wasn't lying when she said she didn't want to happen. Gee, didn't want it to happen. And yet there must have been part of the new that they'd have to happen. But of course, it was taking away the divine right of kings. Even though that time the ruling was a Queen. So you've played kings. And queens you've served in parliament you elected to parliament in nineteen Ninety-two you've played powerful people and you've had political power not king low. Really? No, no, no, no backbenches. I I cannot stress strongly enough for me one of. The most humbling experience is was being a member of parliament. I mean, I give you I mean, obviously, I think it's amazing that somebody puts an x next to your name. It's not just you. Of course. I mean, they obviously support your party, and hopefully that party's manifesto, but or members of parliament, how will we cold advice surgeries, and you hold them in the constituency and any constituent can come in. And they would and in some instances, they know in the really serious ones. They sort of lay that life out on the table in front of you. You don't know them. They don't really know you and not infrequently their lives tragic or disastrous through no fault of their own and they come to their member of parliament. Because then member of parliament is that port of last resort. You can get response to let people will ring you on the phone in my. My experience. I didn't always get the result that my constituent wanted. But without exception. Whether I did or whether I didn't they always said, thank you. And that is very very humbling. I and a it is a great privilege to be elected to be a member of parliament. And that kind of responsibility is something that really makes you realize who you are. And you're pretty damn small. Yes. Okay. I can see what you're saying you're helping people with constituent services and things like that. But you also stood up against the Iraq war when Tony Blair joined with President, George George W Bush. So like, you you stood up to power in a way that's different from, you know, being an actor. I mean, sure you might wanna stand stand up and object to direction that you're getting. But it's different than standing up to a prime minister who wants. To take your country to war will as I've had occasion to say. It was the fist time in my experience of being a member of parliament have I had voted against my party's policy, and I presume rather light murder. Once you do it for the first. Why did you want to serve in parliament anything? I could have done. I mean, I was member. A who was voted labour? I been all Sked by the party to do various things for them raise money. I wanted the worst party political broadcast ever things of that nature, and I'd been approached by various constituency parties to consider standing as a prospective parliamentary candidates and in ninety two the election was looming. And I think it was in nineteen eighty nine. I was approached by Hamson hike eight which they didn't eat become my constituency anything I could have done that was legal that got Margaret Thatcher. And her government out of office. I was to have a go out. I didn't expect to be selected. I don't think I really expected to win. But we did win that seat. We didn't win the majority to put. His in government till Ninety-seven. But yep. That's why what made you this woman. This woman who said what had the Suffragettes ever done for her that question. Whether there was such a thing as that had destroyed local government in many ways, which before. Power seat. If that's what it was in. It was responsible for delivering services to people in local environments every school in what became my constituency spent the teachers parents not infrequently the pupils spent spare time trying to raise money to buy things like paper and pencils. And now it sounds ridiculous. But that was the case books you go into school library. I mean, they were these books that were falling apart or they were being held together. It was by bit of wallpaper. The teacher dropped it in and stuck down zella tape. The NHS was being attempted to be restructured the national health service. Absolutely as a woman who feels strongly about women's equality. An I assume you consider yourself a feminist was disappointing to you. They're finally a woman becomes prime minister. And she's she's so conservative and stands for so many things that you are against well. I mean, the overwhelming disappointment actually was that my party didn't win. I mean, generally may even I mean at that time, but it was just that she seemed to me to be so out of touch with with what were the realities of life of the majority of people in my country. And yes, of course, it was a disappointment that the first woman elected prime minister was her. But I think rob the more at the time. It was that she was a conservative. It was any of the years that when saw what with a me disastrous policies, wreaking such damage. My guest is Glenda Jackson. She starring on Broadway in a new production of King Lear in the role of Lear after a break will hear how she was jeered and parliament for her comments after prime minister, Margaret Thatcher died, I'm Terry gross. And this is fresh air. We'd like to take a moment to thank and share a message from our sponsor nature's way offering quality herbal supplements since nineteen sixty nine they believe that nature knows best which is why it is always been their mission to seek out. The best herbs the earth has to give nature's way is committed to going to any continent or country to find where herbs grow best. Find out. More at nature's way dot com. Let's get back to my interview with Glenda Jackson. She starring on Broadway in King Lear playing Lear it opened last month, but she'd already played Lear in London in a different production that opened in two thousand sixteen last year. She wanted Tony for her performance in Edward all bees play three tall women. These performances were her return to acting after spending twenty three years as a member of parliament in the labor party. Let's hear what you had to say in parliament after Margaret Thatcher died, and this was in two thousand thirteen and there were many tributes made in parliament. And this was a day. I think when most of the labor members of parliament stayed away. And so conservative members were saying, you know, giving many tributes to Margaret Thatcher. And then you stood up and made a pretty scathing speech while conservative members of parliament, basically. Jeered you? So let's hear what you had to say. We would told that everything I had been taught to regard as a vice. And I still regard them as vices under Thatcherism was in fact, a virtue greed, selfishness, no Ken for the weekend. Shop elbows shop needs. They were the way forward. Continue to here. All. The barriers down. The establishment? That was destroyed cone. What we actually saw the word has been settling around with stars around. It is that she created an aspirational society. Aspired for things as indeed one of the former prime ministers who himself had been elevated to the house of lords spoke about selling off, the family, silver and people knowing under those years, the price of everything and the value of nothing. What concerns me is that? I am beginning to see possibly re emergence of that total traducing what I regard as being the basis spiritual nature of this country, where we do care about society where we do believe in communities where we do not leave people to walk by on the other side that isn't happening now while. So did you expect that reaction when you decided to make those? Oh, yes. Of course. I mean, not up there in the chamber for several hours. One does for these kind of events before I was cold by the speak. Yes. I'd be nice out there listening to her party rewriting history. As far as I was concerned the United Kingdom that they would describing under Thatcher was not the one I'd lived in. It wasn't the one my constituents limit in. And it set me isn't the one that was there when she left so you step down from parliament in twenty fifteen so you've been gone for you know, a few years right now. Like the issue that is preoccupying England is of course, Brexit. Do you feel like England is falling apart during this period of paralysis and all the fears of the. Quences could be if England leaves the EU, especially at least without a deal. Well, I did feel that the country's falling about I sat in the think parliament has lost its reason. I just there smolt clips that one sees them the television here in New York, mostly prime minister's question times in the house of Commons. All MRs may yet again coming back from Europe with some ideas, and I sit there, and I look a lot of those faces. I know that people I know, and I think what in the name of all these holy. Are you doing they have simply lost it? And they have to get the heads back in shape and realized that we cannot crush out without a d just be disastrous, and they are going to have to at some point set aside. What seems to be the party political versus tunes or their own personal view. Of staying or leaving and concentrate on what is best for the country. And what is best for the country's deal? We had a referendum Yukon argue until the cows come home that should never been a referendum on that issue. I would probably argue that because I would like is this day, but the country's democratic decision was to leave and parliaments bounden duty. It seems to me is to deliver that full the country, but deliver it to the best possible means for the country after route. Doing not at the moment. I can tell you would you like to see a new referendum. Some people say, no, what is the point in that? I mean, we had a referendum. So say you have a second Reverend. What's to stop somebody saying, okay? Then let's have a third the best of five fifteen twenty five the country made a decision. The argument is being put forward by seventh among which is the country made decision to total ignorance so what I mean that was its decision. We count rolled the croc back. We have to roll it forward. Did you miss acting while you were in parliament? Oh, no, no acting uniqueness when you do it. So if if you're not doing it, there's nothing. Wait a minute. I miss things. I'm not doing. Like what? My missing friend. You know, I I mean, we all miss things that we're not doing and we miss them because we're not doing them. So but the doing is dependent on so much mold than telephoning friend. I mean, she's a process outside of which you all I mean, the the creation of hopefully, someone will suggest you do is outside you'll remain. And so that's why say unless you doing it. There's nothing to miss. Okay. Let me rephrase this did you ever miss the process of getting into character learning the role thinking about the role thinking about the intentions of the character and interacting with other actors on a set or onstage to create a scene degrade a movie or a play. Well, that would presuppose I had nothing to do of than think about I had nothing to do. But I do show you being a constituency member of parliament. Is twenty four seven job, and what comes through the mail off the computer via the phone. I mean, they can be transfix ING. Okay. Let me ask this one. This do you now that you're acting again? Do you miss being a member of parliament Nelson at the present time because of the Brexit quagmire? Oh managed to put this in. But I do miss my constituency. Yes. And I miss the people that I knew they was of it was a really interesting constituencies represent. So it seems like you thought about the possibility of serving in parliament or doing some kind of public service work back in the seventies. I'm going to play an excerpt of nineteen seventy six interview interviewed by Colin Grimshaw. This excerpt starts with him asking you about what was then your latest film nasty habits based on an oval by mural. Sparks. New initiated the phone. It was sent to me with the idea of of making very good film making very good film with lots of good women's parts, which is waving the flag for women's live because they're women waving polka tenure. When you work on stage. Do you get enough as always? Why having? Because I think the long the more you realize you don't know and the possibilities for making the wrong choices much greater than the probabilities of making the right ones. And that sorta fairy is something that you probably learned to control that. But it doesn't grow any less. Pasta to give up acting take up. Social would you do this? Yes. Because I mean, certainly the life of an actress in films he's very short and in the to this terrible trough when they're no with playing. I mean until you hit it on sixty few sort of cracking character pop, and I really don't see myself hanging around for twenty years waiting to play Videon something. And I said he doesn't see myself sitting at home just polishing the phone. I'm coming back to acting not really, no. Okay. The one thing that sounds wrong in that is that you did come back to acting. But everything you say that sounds like so contemporary the shortage of roles for women, especially at certain ages. The deal is an absolute that has not changed during my -xperience. In acting. So in that interview clip, you obviously feel strongly about the women's movement or women's lib as he has he called it how what I really really feel strongly about. And I wish I could come up with the reason for it is why contemporary dramatists find women so boring. They are rarely if ever the driving dramatic engine of of a play or film of you. And I didn't know why that is. I mean, we are by no means equal as Gento sitting not worldwide. But that have been major improvements doors have opened for women that were firmly. Locked many decades ago, why don't contemporary dramatists find this interesting, but they don't let break here. And then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us. My guest is Glenda Jackson, and she's now starring on Broadway as King Lear in. In King Lear. We'll be right back. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. 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Well, I was three when stilted nine when finished and it was a world, which is entirely in the hands of the women because the men that has gone away to fight. And I mean, I didn't realize at the time it's post that along post of to identify was the you know, how much women actually dumb then as in first World War when it was over. They've told to go away and do what normally do which is just look after the kids and do the cooking. Fortunately, they didn't. Did you grow up with us understanding that women could be strong when women could run things because they were known one child, but that realization was some put it in the way, I come from socioeconomic group, which if you didn't work you didn't eat so one of the things that I most value that was given to me by my family was a strong work ethic. And I really really do value them were you afraid of being bombed during the warriors, I contra member directly being afraid as child of being bombed. We had when the sirens went off. We went onto the Cup done dressed as little too up into down. And where we live was never actually had a bomb dropped on it. But we could see Liverpool just across the river. I can remember. Now, the great clouds of smoke that you saw because Liverpool. Was absolutely pasted by Jim and bomas. I remember when we roll issued with gas masks. I think it must have been my second sister who was still a baby, and they they had gas masks that sort of you put the baby in the mean, whereas we older children had gas masks window faces. But it was just part of what you did. I mean, I have I have no memory of being afraid. So you didn't think like, oh, I might die. Good heavens. No. The biggest thing was sweets. You endured. I have to say we did have not my side of the street. The other side of the street American troops billeted there and these guys when it was victory new day. We had a big street party. You know, people brought the tables up the tab Clugston, Chaz around these guys brought Cam of two Cam of two Cam of ice cream from the PX where they billeted we'd never seen ice cream. I mean, I didn't like the taste of it. I think most of Eton by the hills around the table, and they would send us cap packages for years after they'd come back to America. I mean, you really are the most amazing generous count people. Well, thank you for that generalization about all of us. Well, it was Pacific time. Remember that very well. If you're just joining us, my guest is Glenda Jackson. She's now starring on Broadway as King Lear in King Lear, so one of the productions you were in with the Royal Shakespeare Company was Murat Saad the the assassination of persecution of John Paul Maradas performed by the inmates of the asylum of Sharon tan under the direction of the marquees decide, and and this move to Broadway where I saw you in it in. I think nineteen sixty seven or sixty eight who remembers what year it wasn't. It was one of those. But I. Around that time. Yeah. I just loved it. And it was it was kind of a musical wasn't like a song and dance kind of musical. But there were there were songs in it. And people might remember that Judy Collins album in my life. She sang a medley of some of the sounds from Saad. I'm wondering what that production was like for. You was the most experimental thing you'd been in up to the owning brokers always experimental. It was amazing. I mean, you know, just greatest direction the world. What was shocking to us company? Was we had played that play in repertoire with the IRS. See the old rich in London to absolute silence was not a sound from the audience any of the performances until the end. We do I show here in Broadway. The first song got applause cries of uncool uncool the audience loft. I have to say overripe places with silence. No, the right places. And we as a company came of Saint toss south, what are we in? What are we doing here? And it was just amazing. It was really thrilling. Now, you had said, and we heard this earlier that you always get nervous before going on stage. And I'm wondering if that's changed with age in the sense that I know some people feel as they get older that they can take more chances and. Enjoy things more because I did play with the most marvelous. Actress cold Washburn is called Steve was the poet Stevie Smith, and she I think Monet came I think from theatrical family, she'd certainly appeared I think on a professional stage of very young age mean nine she had a very successful highly on the career. I mean, she was a marvelous marvelous access reputation in theater, his absolutely secure. She says only so for before the cutting went up. I sat chip has. And every performance she sat on that. So far, and she would say please God, let me die. Please. God, let me die and then curtain went up, and that she was firing who fronts. It doesn't get any less. In fact, I think the more you do the worse it gets because you realize. Desperately easy. It is to act really badly. Very very hard. It is to will. We need to take a short break here. And then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us. My guest is Glenda Jackson. She's now starring on Broadway. Asking Lear in King Lear, we'll be right back. This is fresh air support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from better help better help offers licensed professional counselors, who specialize in issues such as depression stress, anxiety and more connect with your professional counselor in a safe and private online environments at your convenience, get help at your own time and your own pace schedule secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist. Visit better help dot com slash fresh air to learn more and get ten percent off your first month. We're back with a new season of rough. Translation. Yeah. This time we are following people break the rule lying is part of the business. Opinion. The best revenge against ISIS is to be humane. A masseuse to pinch. Yeah. Yeah. Episodes every other Wednesday. Subscribe I wanna go back to something again from earlier in your career. And this is from Sunday Bloody Sunday film from the nineteen seventies. That was directed by John Schlesinger. And this film is famous in part because there's a gay relationship in it. And it's very early for a gay relationship in in the movies. So the film was kind of about a love triangle. You're young woman who's having a relationship with a guy who's an artist and that guy's in a relationship with an older man, who's a doctor who's played by Peter Finch. And so you all know about each other. But the guy the artists the young guy is kind of going back and forth between the other man is in a relationship with and with you. And at some point the guy in the middle is about to leave from London for trip to New York for artistic opportunities. You're not sure he's ever gonna. Come back. And this is the scene where you start to just be sorry about how things are turning out in your expressing, your kind of sadness, and your sense like this is just like never going to work. So here's my guest. Glenda Jackson with Murray. Head. Nothing's changed changed. Fitting in and making do and shutting up. I won't be here. When you get back. I can't come over. Don't ring. We've got to practice. Don't know what to say, Alex being careful not to ask you about Daniel Daniel, getting answers from you. Because you're here my mom, not making demands teen years and my office. I don't want to live like this, shall we? Try living together we try that. I don't want to lose you. You couldn't do it. Whenever there's any trouble. You always. I'm not angry with you. Because I love you Joe terms, and they were rotten to him. And I shouldn't have done it. My phone. Keep asking too much. Karen lot about someone is that too much people have some time each other too much. I've had this business. Anything is better than nothing times. When nothing has to be better than anything. Back on this which you won't. I think it has something to do with done. You. Hasn't. Listen interesting seeing because you're you're in a moment of sadness, and maybe weakness because you don't have control of what what he's going to do. And you know, the relationship is probably going to end, but you're speaking with with real strength, even as you saw. Yes. When she's not stupid. It was incented film script I've ever read. Macos work Joan was mouthfuls. But she has that great gift in way of not of no self delusion, one of the things that made this movie famous and one of the continues to be famous is because it's one of the first films that has, you know, a gay relationship within it and a gay kiss as well. So I'm wondering what that meant to you at the time of somebody in was considered a pretty groundbreaking film. Well, no, it wasn't at the time because the studios that made it I think John was making another midnight cowboy when that truly sword. They didn't know how to sell it. They didn't want to do with it. I mean, I remember I was in Venice picking up an award for something and sitting on the beach with my husband, and this guy came up and chatting, obviously Venice film festival. And he said that he. He was the PR mound for the studio and facilitate Bloody Sunday, and he was having great difficulty because the vast it can apparently this use the saying this film should not be seen. And of course, he said there is no homosexuality Italy. Well, they go so it's become I think now something of a cult. It is a very very good film, as I've said best film script I've ever read and Slesinger was just such a lovely film director. So I mean, you are so work oriented parliament was just like a more than full time job for you did with acting annot certainly doing Lear how how do you feel about the possibility of retirement? Well, if I don't get off to work, then I'll be retired and know. The good room. What do you think you would want to do with your time? Well, I like argh Ning, and I'm a grandma so I get grandma duty, which is an interesting experience. Is it different than being apparent absolute enjoying them, send them home? Well, it's been a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Glenda Jackson is now starring in a new Broadway. Production of King Lear in the role of Lear tomorrow on fresh air will talk about psychiatry search to understand the biological basis of mental illness. My guest will be Harvard professor and Harrington author of the new book mind fixers, but how that search lit new classes of drugs, but she says Farmaceutica companies are leaving the psychiatric field, and we're at a turning point in how we treat mental illness. A hope you'll join us. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our interviews and reviews produced an edited by EMI salad Phyllis Meyer. Sam brigger, Lauren. Crendall Heidi Simone. Theresa Madden moods. Atheist Challenor and Seth Kelly. I'm Terry gross.

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They've Filled Our Lives with Laughter - Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner

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They've Filled Our Lives with Laughter - Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner

"The today show is sponsored in part by the Allen all the center for Communicating Science. We do workshops all over the world to improve communication in stem and medicine. Check US out at all the center dot org older and this is clear and vivid conversations about connecting and communicating. Paul devilishly clever. Even now even approaching ninety eight his questions. I don't feel the leash but I know he's walking me. I know it. I always knew that whatever you ask him. You're going to end up in. He doesn't know it's coming up. He doesn't he doesn't trust themselves as much as I do. Because brain doesn't stop does not. Stop. I've been friends with Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks for over forty years. They've been friends with each other for seventy years. And during that time. They created together or separately. Some of the most memorable comedy in our lives iconic movies TV series and Broadway shows their sketches. On the Sid Caesar Show in the nineteen fifties will still leave you gasping on the floor and so with a recording of the two thousand year old man that began as an improvised entertainment at parties and never stopped Mellon. Carl aren't as old yet. His mails character of the two thousand year old man but they were just as wise injustice. Funny when I got together with them at Carl's house in Beverly Hills. This is so great that you can be with me today. I am so grateful to you both and you sure it is just a penny in it. Not Well on the way. I'll give you fifty cents. If you're well we'll tell you the story about how he feels about being paid for his work. All you gotTA story about that. I have what is oh well Melanie. I did the two thousand year old man for free many many many many many years and ultimately we have was. What's his name? Steve as Steve Allen. We did it apart and he said you gotta put this on Tape Cells. How we said No. It's only for Jews and non anti-semitic gentiles and so so he gave us his his his studio World Pacific Jazz. We got a couple of dozen. Sofas put people in it and we will. He never knew what I was. GonNa ask them and I never know what he was going to say so it was. He was worried because I put him on the spot. He's he had come up with something he didn't know who's. GonNa come up so he's always nervous about it and you see yell at me is what do you get into these things? We never fail Mel at one point. They invited us to come to San Francisco on do two shows twelve thousand dollars a piece for the two shows one after another on the way there. He was complaining all the time on the way home. I don't like to do these things I don't want to do these things and I'm just doing this new keep you keep getting me into it and on the way home. He's quiet he's very quiet. We killed them for two shows and I said Mel knowing what you know and the reaction you got to work the work you did. How much would you have taken for this job? And he said seven thousand eighty seven acts throwing drilling pleasure making it rain audience and they got everything. It's so interesting. I never heard in all the stories of heard about the two thousand year old man. I never heard that you didn't like doing it. Mill well You know Alan Alda as well you know once you are famous or celebrated for something that the the requests never stop and he you know you have to you be selective or else or else you would never. You'd never have a chance to each Alamein. You just never you know shell made. I loved Germany. But there's no chance to eat it but by the way the way this something I researched not too long ago that in the old Vaudeville Days. The Guy who owned the act was a straight man. He's the guy who was a writer and he wrote an act here and then go hire a comedian. Hey play the straight man to the comedian. That's when I was just thinking and I and I wanted to talk to you both about is. My father was in burlesque when I was born so I grew up watching comics and it will and I grew up listening to his father. Was Robert. Alda a start in guys and dolls and was one of the most thrilling evenings. I've ever Mayfield theater. I never enjoyed all singing his heart out in the middle of all of that. And thank you for having such a Nice father. He will thank you again. I I tried so when I when I was aware of early on was that it was the the front part of a joke. Had made the funny part happen and it was destroyed. Man That really was a crucially important factor in the funny guy being funny because he sets up or she sets up the premise. And if that's not clear it's not going to be funny and I always thought Carl I always thought of. You is the master of the premise. But you know the interesting thing is the first time I came to the show of shows. It was this little guy and I didn't know who he was but he was doing a thing called the Jewish pirate. First Time I heard him. I didn't know who he was. He says a Jewish pirate. He's you know how hard it is. Set sail leaves days. You know what I call a yard for. Sail cloth three dollars. Seventy two cents a yard. I can't afford to pillage rape penny more. That's the first lines I heard. I had no idea who he was. This was not profession. He was he was just standing up in the writers. The writers got up and the funny thing is I came in the following day and I had heard something on television and A pundit some and I just said I've said Sir I understand your business talking to main how until you sir. By the way with with a wire recorder I said this is a man who you look two thousand years. You are two thousand years old. He says yes more or less. What let me let me break in here. So so call doesn't get stuck talking. He's liable just to get stuck in not know how to stop. I just wanted to help so go ahead and breaking by saying I'm in the writer's room. We are thinking of something for sit too. That's funny a sketch and Carl walks over to me with a with a Mike. This was the wiry quarter. Because we'd fooled around before and said understand. I understand your two thousand years old and did you know. Did you know Jesus and I said Thin? Right thin lead says handled right hung around twelve other guy that went to the. I had a candy store. They came into my store. Bought ANYTHING THEY. They has for water but Yeah I knew I knew Jesus. And then he said how did you? How did you feel you know when he was crucified? I said terrible a nice kid. Nothing against him and then he kept asking me You know from then on. He'd go back in time. You know how many wives did you have and I mean he never stop pestering me me into a million bucks when we finally made an album out of it And cary grant out of the studio next to mine I was doing. I started doing pictures. Universal you're the person yet and I just got this album and I said. Would you like to hear this and I gave him the album and he listened to and he came back. The following day says Conroy. A dozen I said what are you GonNa do is? I'm taking them to England as you're GonNa take these things one. He says they speak English. There you know he came back. Didn't think they'd get the jokes in England. No they came back and he says she loved it. I said who loves it Buckingham Palace. The Queen Mother Queen Loved Lie. Said I the biggest chicks in the world got it. Anybody can get. That's when the record started to sell so did you to once you met and you started almost immediately to be comic partners writing together before coming together. Ad Lib like that. Did you start to become friends right away? We had to raise them become friends. We made each other laugh and our wives his and Stella got along so well. So I'm interested you in a way in a way. Your friendship has lasted way longer than most of the nineteen fifty. You figure it out today. Thursday. You know whatever it's Wednesday so seventy years you've been friends we have been. Wow that's a long time. And and and. What's the relationship in like do you? Have you ever tried out ideas on each other as your pads went and different? No but I was very aware that he was a single funniest human being on Earth. Had He proved that with with this? Film's still get together and watch movies together. Konate overnight or three or four times a week. Oh Yeah I'm I'm here and I keep company and also he has a housekeeper who is a great cook so it doesn't hurt to get some John McCain ear from you know it's also the the movies that are coming out some of a really good academy sends us you know so he's Raynor's yeah and we we go through them and we agree You Know Hey mel we just saw Alan alda the night in marriage the marriage story and and it was just a you know an amazing a beautiful crafted performance. I mean you are. Let's say you are talented. You know you remind me of the first time you and I met. You probably don't remember this. You were so generous. We were on a late night. Talk Show in New York Barry Gray name Oh my God yeah and and you had just seen me in a play. That was so bad. It almost closed during intermission. But you saw the play and you wanted to give me a boost on the air. We didn't know each we met on the show. And you said this is a funny show and this is a funny guy and I know funny and you. You know that the played didn't work but you were so generous to me. I wasn't getting your performance was was amazing. You you are really good in. What was the play was called Fair game for lovers? Oh and on opening night. I accidentally set myself on fire on stage. I during a cheap acetate bathrobe and I didn't know how to smoke and I lit a cigarette and I thought I blew the match with the head of it was still glowing and I accidentally touched the bathrobe and a sheet of flames. Came off me and this is how how crazy person who who likes comedy is. I thought to myself as soon as they saw the flames. Oh this is going to get a big laugh. They were petrified. They thought they were seeing a man. Die in front of amazing. Anyway you were. Well thank you. It's easy to complement somebody. Who's really good? How do you? How do you copy very hard? How do you? How do you both handle it? You see a play. You have to go backstage. They know you saw the play and it was awful. What do you say well I have? I have a standard thing I say I say. Never seen anything like it. Never seen anything quite like that. What about you you know? I don't tie and I I really don't like it. I make reason not to go back. You Know Marlo. Thomas had an interesting thing was people. Were saying Oh my God. We gotta go backstage. What are we going to say? She said we're not under oath. We're going to say we loved it. Yeah exactly exactly but Marlo Thomas we why is she central to Alan and Mel Getting Together? Because she had the idea to do the album. Free to be you and me still. It's still going strong after forty some years. What do people come up to me? They grew up on it their kids growing up so I bought a wonderful I performed in it and I directed some sketches directed mice directed. You're you're so kind to let me give you some direction here in there. That was very nice. I kind I was. You know. Grateful you you're terrific. Let me ask you about this thing of what happens when the two of you interact you. Come up with a question. How do you find those questions? How do you respond to it? 'cause you're both improvising? Carl is devilishly clever. Even now even approaching ninety eight and his his questions he he knows how to care for. I feel I don't feel the leash but I know he's walking me. I know it but I never feel the least he. He's very skillful at guiding me. True you know You know coming up with funny answers you know. The funny thing is what they ask. I knew I always knew that. Whatever you ask them you end up funny answer. Yeah he doesn't know what's coming up. He doesn't he doesn't trust themselves as much as I do. Because my brain doesn't Stop Does Not Stop Collins Amazingly adept at a premise. Hey by the way put you into a situation from then on you you gotta carry. I think age that he gives you by the way I was one of the Luckiest Second Bananas Ever. Of Course Sid Caesar was the top. That's happened now has and it's so funny. Because when you think of said he did things naturally that most Stanislavsky students had to learn now this I remember seeing and I couldn't believe it you know when when the young actor Mimes Smoking Cigarettes. He does it this way. Sid Put space between here. He smokes a cigarette. He quipped field of cigarette here Carlos putting a cigarette in his mouth. Yes thank you I. I was watching him now. The interesting thing this. I'll never forget. We're doing pantomime where he's going to do a pantomime. We said maybe as a husband's wife wanted jarve pickles open and he has trouble opening emmys. He's struggling east struggling struggling and finally opens a pickles. And we said that doesn't work so okay and all of a sudden all of a sudden laughing and he says what are you laughing at? We don't you know what you did. He put the pickle jar. Dan No he close to the jar. He closed job I then without looking he leaned over. Put a town in Star Talk. He really believed it. Yeah that's great amazing. So but you to know you now you know you can handle anything and I'm thinking of a story. You told me once mel you when you were a kid you were doing play where you stepped in for somebody at the last minute. Yeah what was that? What play was It was uncle Harry I was an I stepped in for guy who was playing I was about fourteen and a half and and character was about sixty or seventy. But you're the only one in new the line but I was the only one in the lines so I I said And the line. I never forgot the lions. They're very now. Tell me in your own words. I was playing a district attorney. Said there there. Are you know. Tell me in your own words. What exactly happened on that night? On February sixteenth. I knew I knew that so I was the only one of the lines. So they made me disc attorney. They put I Dunno they put stuff in meet a Fatmi up and they painted bigger a moustache painted stuff. I me and they put a big hunch and I said I said I'm I'm I'm a disk. I'M NOT QUASIMODO ERNIE. And they gave you a bigwig. And what happened was there Harry. Tell me in your own words. I do thing my hand is slippery and I handed him a glass of water that I've just poured and the glass slips from my hand crashes down on the desk and breaks and spills all over the place an audible from the Jews in the mountains. You're seeing this play. And then I said I walked down to the footnotes to the footlights and I say I'm just a kid. I'm only fourteen. I've never and I take my week off and and the director. The play chases me with a kitchen three to three other young. You saved it by being direct with them and you must have got a big big laugh. I mean they said do the Uncle Harry. Doing Larry Play my first year in some of how was called upon to go up to Rochester. And we're going to do three cornered moon and they told me to learn the part on the way up and I I learned as much as I could but I learned the first act and that was it and I said how do I get to the second and third act so I got the idea that I was a doctor and I always had my medical book with me so in the first act while I'm talking to people I'm looking through my book. You know and so they got used to me hand and he always had where the book medical book and in the second and third I a I read I read my line learn it. I say I go back to the book I read. It took about a week or two before. I could put the book away but had a Britain. That's it is. It's a really the script as your medical book yet. Perfect but once didn't you did remember right. Didn't you find yourself having to improvise in Shakespearean language? Only God yes when I would by the way. This is the best experience any actor can have do Shakespeare's a youngster. I was seventeen years old. I was hired to be Member of Repertory Company touring the South. And it was. It was hilarious because the south does not really understand Shakespeare. But here we are doing and so we learn didn't understand a lot of things that was a civil war. There was those days. The people you played for didn't seem to understand. Yeah as as you like it comedy of errors. I played antithesis of emphasis And there was some wonderful Lawrence and I played five different roles but the last role they said. We had hamlet last year. So we don't need it till the end so I never learned. Claudius I was gonna say but then they call the last minute and said Oh we had the duke aiming of the shrew. Give us hamlet so I stayed up all night walking around the quad when you were playing. Claudius yeah and I kept the book open. Light hit the light. Close my eyes and walk all night long and I learned the first act pretty good comes second act and I got up. I woke up by myself. Say Gertrude Gertrude wouldn't sorrows come they come not single spies. But IN BATTALIONS THE PEOPLE MUDDIED TOO. Neth thoughts for poor Polonius Zeph. That's all I could remember. So then what then. I started first time. I ever double talk every remember that. How has the Nevada calls? Family DOES DRAPER PUBLIC ACE. Same and I got to be very emotional. I says he jumps and I'm screaming. I'm waiting for layered fees to get the idea that he better come amid and he's he's listened to he's fascinating. Yeah and when I finish I'm at such a high pitch. The audience burst out. I didn't make any sense. It was first double talk. Show the audience. That didn't understand Shakespeare to stow. It's couldn't tell the difference I guess between would you did in the second night. I was so embarrassed that I say it up again all night and I learned it. And how did it go then? Half the applause. I got the night before and I said I said to myself. Obviously I write better than shakes birth. 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Two thousand ceremony for the Mark Twain Prize for American humor. Let me tell you what I did once. Because of Karl Gall was honored rightly so for for being you know the funniest singled comedian in America. You know and I was there to you know to support him. But we like you. Do you have your friend that I'm one of his best friends. I was going to be there but I wanted to do something different so And I knew they were gonNA call me up so I I had the makeup guy at Fox who had just done young Frankenstein for me. Building knows a great big no kind of a bigger nose and and when it was my turn and he said let down my united. Name's lauding me for being his friend for being funny and I said I said I hate to take this opportunity but I want to just tell the God Damn Truth. I am not a Jew. This is a fake note and I pulled my nose. You know he's able to do it goes they. There's a new. I'm sick and tired of being a two two thousand year old Jew I am from Waco Texas. My Name is Red Clifton. And I'm sick and tired of being Jew boy. By the way he sat at a table with us. That piece of prosthesis was so brilliantly done. He didn't know nobody noticed. Nobody knows that and then when he realized when he came up we fell apart. We absolutely fell apart. I never saw and I said I'm not the only one who hates doing this. I say you look outside and I had I purchased for the evening a bunch of people but signs that said Carl is not that funny. He shouldn't get lowered parading around. You protest another funny one. That my my son my brother my search my son and I we did our hands in the ground and shower knees together with you. I father and son Mel topped it. He put his hands in the cement but he had a prosthesis made so he had seven fingers says civic lingers on one end and five on the so you see the hand and there's eleven I eleven to this day I think by the theater and you always hear somebody outside. Grandma say Henry Henry come over here. I think Mel Brooks has six fingers says thinking about your relationship which is almost like a marriage has been going on so long. Well we're not exactly at marriage like a marriage in some ways and someway still not in marriages. There are disagreements their highs and lows. How do you to handle the disagreement? What we very rarely have a discrim. We very rarely fight. We really away one sailly genuinely really like each other you know. Let me do before we got four. We have to go. Let me ask you people say you. GotTa keep active as you get older but this is ridiculous you both. Do you know something if you're ever if you're ever man you have questions. I wanted a book once called the how to live forever. It's a two hundred seventy one page book so reading it makes you know. I saw the first line of the book. Is You wake up in the morning. Have a project. You're working on during the day. Work on that project improve it until you approve of the improvements. Then start a new project that the only line in the book as one hundred seventy one pages goes over. And that's all you. That's that's that sentence you just said is on every page. Yes so then then then. I realized that is true when you wake up in the morning if you have something he wanted to do you stay alive. A Carl writes a book. Every year males you've appeared in front of thousands of people radio city musical like five thousand people and and you hold an audience and kill for a couple of hours at London. Palladium what what were you playing next? Well actually on. Abc SOMETIME. This fall in October. You will see live young Frankenstein like you know with a live audience and the whole other going to play together. Oh that's right and I am studying French. Just sleazy see. I am okay I am studying French because sometime in this coming winter fall. Winter lay predict The producers the musical that played on Broadway for so long is GonNa be in Paris. So I'm GonNa see if I can get over there on opening night. Oh that's great congratulations. That'd be one studying already. I'm saying Just we treasurer at EC. Soi Learning out of SAM. I'm I'm learning how to lie and say I'm so happy to be but you you already can speak the lion. Flu Can speak French you you. You painted a dish for US enough to eat nobody water you quoted an old French saying Sh shock was. Oh so knee. Bow Yeah Right. That means I shock oiseaux. Sawn need a Bo is French for each bird. Thinks his nest is beautiful. That was very sweet so high was all you can say that all over France they would say why is he saying? Why is he saying talking about a nasty but just totally shocked by you? Don't say good morning why you just shot needing W I was lucky that during the war at Georgetown University decided to make a bunch of US French interpreters so throw all year. They sent this. Y Send you to Hawaii. Yeah but his French is exquisite. It really is good. Oh wait he's learned in the army. Yeah I have the Amish. Thanks for that. Now what are you what do how many books have you written about a dozen and a half times. Are you working on one now? I I'm gonNA give you one. It's the Labor of my love. Let me just say a little about good. I wrote a book called the scrunch book. I took famous. I looked in the garbage can when they scrunch. People magazine had facing a woman and I own scrunched was Angelina. Jolie and thereupon. The book was born. I scratched up one celebrities. Faces you turn? The page is trying to guess what is it was a very good You Know Coffee Table Book. People play the game then. I decided to do the same thing with the great artists of the world. That photos of the great art of the world and that one is just been reviewed. They called it a masterpiece. I have one for you. That's great so did you. What about your box set? Mel of hands works. Yeah well I decided that That anchin be forgotten. She was too great and argue. Your Wife Brilliant and boy. That's a treasure that I decided I called the shout factory which is an organization that puts out little little classic Box sets a particular. You know a collection of films and they did one gold. I don't know the Mel Brooks collection and I and I was talking to one of them the other the other year and I said what about some of Ann's pictures like that are not recognize and bankrupt pictures she wrote and directed this movie starring. Donde Louise Fatso. I said it's a little masterpiece. It's wonderful and And so we talked to said but what about You know what about a wonderful movies that she did that? People don't like the Pumpkin eater. The Jack Clayton directed and you know who did room at the top and I said yeah done in England with Peter Finch and James Mason. I said it's it's a little masterpiece and nobody knows that. So we you know. We started thinking of and bankrupt films. Of course the miracle worker the graduate you know some of very well known films and I said. Is there a box it? And they said there is and we went to work on it and it's just out and It's I'm happy to say doing very well. It's great you know it's funny. My wife and I went to see a play within bankrupt. We didn't know who she was. Or what the play was. What was that I plan Broadway too? I saw and we saw a performance that you know we arise were popping noise both the same way and and you know the interesting thing is that it was a harvard. Hoke Co Star was Fund Henry Fonda Henry Fonda and she would take the first bow he was a star. He took the second bowel with much less applause and he got the idea he says. This is a two person we should take a together so they walked out to the so. Neither one could get less applause. Jenner's own so listen. We end our interviews with seven quick questions. They're they're not embarrassing. But they of sometimes very illuminating. Okay you in for either one of you can answer i. I'm going to give you the hand. One answer right away answer as Jello. You think that will work for any. Carl will give you the question. Okay well actually the first one. What do you always have room for? That said? Okay so your answer actually fits the first question. First question is what do you wish you really understood and Jello actually does fit the first. What about you car? What do you wish you really understood? Why there's so much Anger in the world. I mean how are how do we get? I know what I as. How did we get trump? We get we got trumped. Okay question number two. How do you tell someone? They have their facts wrong. That facts wrong. Yeah I think I think you have. Somebody else asked them so that you're not responsible. Say the embarrassed very interesting. Very very interesting facts we have. Where did you get it? Because I'm never heard that before I understand just the opposite but you must have. We've done a lot of research. Yeah good good. That's okay next. What's the strangest question? Anyone has ever asked you. Oh I've got advocates so many One when I get a lot of the you claim to be five seven and you look much shorter a reason for this disparity you actually get get ask because I do plan to be five seven and of course over the years I must have lost an inch or two and I get cold on it with a car. Can you think of mass than a question of most of the strangest question you've ever been asked Can't think of any isn't that awful. I Cook as you as a strange question. He'd milk I'm I'm I'm I'm a NASCAR not an ASCII. How do you stop a compulsive talker? You walk out of the room. What do you do pill I you know I I I don't I just have have the intelligence not to stop them. I just you know just grin and bear. It said I if if if my if not an a chair with arms I might stop it but as the chair with arms wade I give. It'll get that wall of their arms. I can grip the arms and get through it right and they can talk forever. But if I don't have the arms I might have to say stop. How do you start up a conversation with someone next to you at a dinner party? A real conversation. Well if you know the person if you know off the person what they don't see specific things about a particular subject they you know the window let somebody never met before and you know anything about you could say Do you know how famous I am? Or you always have that blue mark and your forehead against by the way. Remember that line we talk about. Jello here. It was an ad Lib that my secretary. Well I did a movie where they're going into the The Senate Chamber of something and they're asking these big signed. I mean sounds questions. Is it true that you're so and so's true you going to impeach impeach the managed to and then? My secretary was one of the. I just said you among them and she said is true that you'll always have room for Jello and got the biggest law that that's like I'll have which he's having right. Oh boy what a what a line that was. Wow style reiner she commanded are those goes down in history season. Okay here's one to last question. What gives you confident that gives me confidence My hit the history of me You know I always I wake up. I'm now doing something. Something's going to tickle me and I've now doing a thing called eavesdropping myself. Of course I get out of bed. Sometimes I said where are you going? Where am I going to go to toilet? You know that. What do you tell? And so I have these law conversations with myself. I'M GONNA actually. I'm GonNa Actually Puerto Rican. Many forms are going to be in Britain. And the I'm GonNa film tape them. I'm going to You know write them to actually have a tape on them. Still Great Union. Just one idea after another. He's a he's amazing. Now Mel use you have more confidence probably than anybody I've ever made. I Mel Brooks and I know it here. I just when I looked I am. I realized who bought my name is I said boy. Are You lucky? You know you're going to get you're going to get a lot of left that that that he's good and and I me and he's me anyway honestly and you know I just you know I just feel you know that I I really feel I was born to do it so I just you know. Always impressed me about him very early in life. When he didn't have a lot of money he became a collector of of books that he read. But first -sition whatever you can get. You still have any of those votes by. My daughter has most of them and they are. There was a first editions club and well. This is perfectly this is perfect. This leads into last question. What Book Changed Your Life? Good good I'll go Robinson crusoe hooey because it starts from other need from scratch Robinson crusoe shipwrecked. He has nothing. He doesn't even have the right. Taio clothing against the you know the sun and he has no tools as no food to speak and from nothing he creates a life a real honest life in which he survives. He he makes you know clothing. He finds food he survived. And it's the word the one word that's critical to me and will always be a survival. It's an incredible brilliant concept that realized in. That's great. What about you? What book changed the discovery of Mark Twain When I first read the Forgotten which the first book I read. I couldn't believe what I was reading. I said Mike God. It wasn't wasn't when I read the Connecticut Yankee opposite forever but And so were remember once I did some event. They want to give me a a car for doing the event and my wife said he has a car she. What would he lie? He like Mark Twain. They gave me. I addition of Mark's Wayne's complete works where you saw him the third copy is his name is I haven't room there and I treasure that Mark Twain was it for me and when I saw how Holbrooke put Mark Twain on the stage and be he became real I was that to me. Was He revelatory really? Well you guys are it for me. And you are it for us. Allan. We don't do this. I know that I know that. And I've known both of you for forty five days. We don't do it for no money. I know I know. Hey we need just out of love for you. I don't believe what seven dollars ninety cents is something. Thank you so much off. And I've I've known you a long time and this is one of my happiest memories of knowing we are big fans and we really love. You appreciate thank you guys. This has been clear and vivid. Least I hope so. My thanks to the sponsors of this episode all the income from the ads you here go to the Center for Communicating Science at Stony Brook University. Just by listening to this podcast. You're contributing to the better communication of science. So thank you Carlin. Meller unstoppable Karl at ninety eight continues to write and you can find out all about his most recent books by visiting random content dot com. And of course he tweets at Carl Reiner. Mail continues to write and perform and even has a new fashion line of t shirts and hats. You can find out about all of his latest projects and Products Mel Brooks Dot Com and on twitter at Mel Brooks. This episode was edited and produced by our executive producer. Graham Chedda with help from our executive producer Sarah Chase and our associate producer. Jean Shaheen are sound. Engineers Dan Zula are tech guru is alison costume and our publicist Sara Hip. You could subscribe to our podcast for free at apple podcasts. Stitcher or wherever you listen for more details about clean vivid sign up for my newsletter police. Visit Alan ALDA DOT COM. You can also find us on facebook and instagram clear and vivid. 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