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No Day But Today
"The. Welcome back to an all new episode of Dirk cows. I am your co host Madeline Davies I'm your other co host Megan Reynolds. And today we're going to be talking about no day today. No day. But today, we're talking about rent more specifically rent live, which was on FOX on Sunday. Joining us later to talk about rent is director writer producer and most pertinent to this conversation hardcore rent head back Schwartz. But before we get into that again other than our live show. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Such a long time. I know we've been on the on the cans him so happy to be sitting in this room across from you. As I am every week. I know it is let sort of like, it's like an intimate dinner. We're both not getting food. No one no one here is eating. I'm actually slightly hungry. And yet, but we I'm I'm so happy to be back with you. My love same. Oh, good. I'm I'm just thrilled. How are you? Matty, I'm doing okay. I if I may brag welcome it thing. I got published in the New York Times time this week. You did I saw it. And I like, I know it's not cool the V excited like if you hang out with New York media people. It's like it was I would I was in sil- section a thousand times I have never before. I am frigging stoked. It's really I read it in. That's very good. And I'm very proud of you and happy for you. Thank you so much welcome. How are you a little sleepy fresh off of a weekend with my friends in Vermont? We hustled to get here. There's some hairy driving on the conic. I was deposited at the podcast studio. I have not showered and a little starving. I'm doing good. Yeah. Yeah. You look like a little bear coat came out of hibernation tuna relief. I tried to not fall asleep in the car. So that I could be fresh, and then I fell asleep briefly on the west side highway, and it was just enough time for me to wake up and be like, oh, no. Oh, no. You tasted tasted sleep hosts nap time. So, but I'm doing really well is what I'm trying real tree. I'm wearing a real cammo. See you. I'm camouflaged as it were. I've not showered. I've mentioned that already. I'm good good is where we're both fine. What everyone needs knows that? We're both fine. And maybe even a little dirty just a little dirty ios dirtier than Neak early all of celebrities involved in this week's dirty Sturt. It's let's do it. Let's do it. Maybe you are getting married. Maybe you know, someone who is getting married if you are the first person, congratulations. I talk about a wedding planning website called Zola. It is your one stop shop for literally everything you could ever need for getting married. You can register you can make a guest list. You can tell your guests where to go and what to do. And what you need to do what you need them to do for you. Do you need? Do you have customer choir minutes? You can put it on Zola. Do you not wanna registry? It can also go on Sola. 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His, you know, baggage all his things I really thought we would get to stop talking about Pete Davidson once once they were once he and Arianna or done, but like you just keep bringing them back. He made some stupid joke about his penis. So it was like girls now like she shouldn't have done that. Because now girls will be supported and they sleep with me. And to that I say, of course, they'll be disappointed Pete. I don't think you're dick is as big as she said it is. I wish you the best of luck am Google or or. Anything? It does no such thing. It's just the nature of the job yet. She loves him. I do that's true. But I just want him to relax. I want every celebrity that I find problematic that I also enjoy to relax to slake thirty five percent. He's the only one I can think of right now. But I'm sure there are more now. And I'm sure we'll talk about next week breathe. Oh. Very weakened. Put a Davidson moratorium on I feel comfortable with that. That is that. That's all. I have on that. When you sure. Yeah. Maybe next week owed perhaps next week. I'll prepare one I could probably give you like three high coups. But that's very for now. Yeah. I've said it so I'll do it more art devoted to David world for. Anyway, let's move on from Mr. Davidson Sally shell looks like Bryan singer in the news for being a Grosso being a sexual predator. A sexual predator. There was an something published in the Atlantic last week. I believe the beginning of last week. It had interviews with his alleged victims all of whom said that he was sexually inappropriate with him. When they were young. I mean, and this has been I feel like I've been hearing about these rumors for ten years. Yeah. They've been this is not news. I mean, it is new. Okay. But it's not new new is what I meant to say. Yeah. I mean, I would hate him. Even if he didn't he wasn't a sexual predator because I hated bohemian rhapsody so much. It was such a bad. And I was so offended by it. Yes. Yes. But it's like an added. I mean, I actually I guess the real reason I hate them is because the sexual predator the home bohemian rhapsody is just like the cherry on top of the poop cake. It was. I mean again at Madyan, I reiterate said this in a live show. It was bad movie. I'd like to say it again, it's a bad movie so bad. It doesn't deserve any of the awards that it has one does not deserve. Any of the words that might win the Academy Awards and then Romney Malik saying. Oh, yeah. Said something along once. He's like, oh, I didn't. I never even heard that. Right. Like, yeah. Looking right. I mean, all these people have heard it. Everyone knows everyone loves money more than they love anything else. Right. Like every celebrity who like think of all the women who like I think like Kate Winslet and like a bunch of other women who've worked with Woody Allen said the same Shipman. Yes. Yes. Like, lots of people who have worked with people who had stories floating around about them for years stuff that has been sort of just like common knowledge, you don't really talk. About have said, I didn't really know. And the thing is I'm pretty sure they did. I mean, yes, all party. Where Bryan singer allegedly was preying on these very young men or boys. We could say we could we should had a lot of other celebrities at them, also true. There are many I witnesses alleged ax, many accomplices or who were complicit that's the word. I one of my a meme like a celebrity interview that will always stick in my head. It was Kristen Stewart and my main enemy Jesse Eisenberg here number one enemy. Sped talking about Woody Allen. 'cause it was when that movie cafe society was coming. They're both in right. And they're just like like they meant they talked about the abuse allegations. And they're just like I mean, what it comes down to just like, we just don't know where we like only two people really know. And like, we're one of them, and I would never just I would never walk that line. To say out loud. But that's okay. If there was just like the whisper of like, a rape or sexual assault allegation. Run anybody. I'd be like, you know, what I'm Lee hot young celeb-. Yeah. I'll. Mega movie with someone else. Let me take my wares. Elsewhere, we'll pack my bag you won't miss me. I'll be fine lick. So that's cool. But he also Bryan singer said, it was a homophobic. Mir campaign, and I'm like, I think rhapsody was a homophobic spear. Take that brand singer. Yeah. Just. Same different year. Same bullshit this next item. Though, I'd like to move on to because it seems very fun. Andy Cohen is having a baby. Oh, yeah. He is. He announced that he was having a baby couple of weeks ago on watch. What happens live? If all goes, according to plan about six weeks time, I'm going to become a father. The baby is imminent because he had a baby shower that announcement was really funny to announce sounded like he was dying. I certainly at least leaving Bravo or something like huge. Like I thought like his life was threatened, by the way. He didn't choice news. Yeah. Everyone was happy. There are a lot of housewives on that episode all of them. Probably cried seems like everyone was very excited. Right. I loved like seeing like treated as Jude ice her like insanely buff armed kind of reach frame squeeze Andy. Like traces of bodybuilding exploits are like my favorite thing that she has done thus far. Yeah, she's done so much sure for me to enjoy. But this pivot is my favorite and go how much more effectively she could've flipped that table. That she could've flipped at least like three tables like at the same time. I also like Kyle Richards of an original housewife of Beverly Hills through Andy very fun looking baby shower, indeed, which just shows like if you don't have to carry a baby. Yeah. That look great. A wide variety of housewives. Were there Daniels star? Was there Sonja Morgan? Was there Denise Richards? Was there Theresa was there? Niimi leeann lockin just fade into harks. Was there? Weird. Candy was not interesting. She's in the big brother house. I think oh is candy trapped the moral issue literally trap somewhere. Liberty big, bro. That's right. I was some rise that failures their dared show her face. I mean, Favreau loves a party, and I guess Andy loves Faye drug. Yeah. So favor would find a way. Yeah. The way was Andes Andes generous heart letting her in there was amazing video of fleece arena. Like as the party like clearly had gotten lit Schorr screaming into a microphone, all you bitches better dance on this mother fucking table dance for Andy right now he paid for your fucking live. Dance for Andy. In your life. Oh my God. I don't know. I I just was struck with a glee that I haven't felt since childhood. That's amazing. That's beautiful. I love that to watch that video. It was so good and true. I mean, he did. But also, I loved it. He's just like this. I don't know. I don't love it. Actually, it's terrible. But a bright this man who is like gotten so rich off of exploiting. Women credited women who are very willing to be exploited. It was a give and take situation. Right. And then it was like, they know it too. They know yet you got to kiss the ring. Yeah. They know exactly. They know where their bread's buttered. They know what they need to do. So you have to put on the bandaged dress. You have to go to the a star is born themed baby shower for Andy Cohen, you have to dance table of arena asks you to dance table. You must also notably. I feel like more notable. Maybe was the people missing about any Frankel interesting. No countess. And then he reposted a mean that was like the face when you see that Bethany and Luan weren't at the at the thing. Yeah. It was just something about like her missing it interest, and like alluding to something shady, but then her caption was just like sorry to have missed it, Andy, which doesn't tell us anything. No. That's just. That's just confusing messaging. She doesn't said she was like, I'm rehearsing for my cavalry. You are ma'am. Okay. Not. There is not enough rehearsal in the world to I also just don't think it'd be a healthy environment for her. So doesn't sound like it. No. If again, if Lisa arenas screaming at a bunch of middle aged women to dance a table because Andy Cohen paid for their lives. You'll also just wild to see all of them in one place. That sounds that sounds the most fucked up that sounds like some sort of like horrible hall of mirrors like Disneyland. Like, if Bravo had a theme park that called sir sore if sir how to back room that was just a corral, just like whoever they could find at that time to just go there, and you could go there and party with them that seems a fun for about three minutes before your ears. Your brain starts leak out of yours. And you'd have to say goodbye to my brain liquefied. I would feel very nervous in there. I would drink one drink very quickly. I'm be like, I must go, and I would leave. There was also an incredible picture of Andy with all of the housewives the only other guy in the fixtures. John mayer. Also, it should be. It was. That's nice. So I can't wait for the world to meet Andy Cohen, baby. Boy, I'm sure we'll hear all about it. I hope that Andy does not do a photo shoot. Like pres- Hilton did with his first baby is successful insane. That press Hilton photo shoot has been burned in my brain for since I saw it for the first time. It's if people don't know what he's talking about. It's of press Hilton in the bath nude daughter. Yes. I think he's a little shorts. You might be wearing a small brief actually thing. But you my best. I think the best thing about that picture is that his invis-? Align studs are very of. Someone who suffered three those stunts myself. I also the one thing that always strikes me about presented that he looks like Peter. He looks like Peter had a child with Ron Perlman. No my fuck. Oh guide. Oh, may Peter, which is way more handsome. That's true. But I always got a pita. I just like in passing. It's like how I think that Samantha Markle looks like Kim control. I think that's different interesting. Offering just provided the thick. I'm so sorry. Peter England, two comparison today have in my brain. I'm just presenting them to you now. Sorry Tyrian to true that I've learned that. Okay. So yeah. Good for them. Great for everyone. You know, what it's a party? I would like to go to a party Mike and whatnot that are that nine when you're sending out invitations to not have to size anyone or the next one. This last item on the list is can be briefed. Because I don't want to spend too much time thinking about their relationship. But people magazine would love it. If I thought about Chris Pratt and Catherine Schwarzenegger's relationship like all the time. I don't like those weird Cherchi song people. I'm not into it. But they are been cut. They've been covering it sincere engagement with like a breathless level of attention that I do not understand it as their jobs like I'm not stupid. I just don't like it so quick engagement. It is a very quick engagement believe they're getting married later this year. It will be from what I've read it will be a ceremony that has plenty of room for Jesus. Thank goodness. I don't know what we would do if it didn't. And I hope the Chris Pat doesn't run for public office. I oh he will run as like a weird libertarian. Yeah. He's going to. T-shirts up to say things like land of the free. Always say laugh, it's like vague, patriotic statements like, yeah. Lethally freedom isn't free. It's gonna that's going to be quite colours. Don't run. I'm so excited to see where they go. But I am tired of hearing about it. But unfortunately, I don't think I don't think I'll have a choice. Yeah. I know reprieve I very much curious about like what? Growing up in the Schwarzenegger. Household was like, yeah. I think I get Patrick Schwarzenegger and Conor Kennedy. Or what's the what's the one day to Taylor swift? Oh shit honor. I get like those two like, I don't know. I guess they're all kind of because Maria Shriver. Yes. I kind of confuse them sometimes as like, just blonde yachts. Boy. Right with a job. Yeah. Blonde. Polo lacrosse Mun. Yes. I can't picture Patrick Schwarzenegger. But now, I'm just thinking of Conor Kennedy. And like, he dated Miley. Oh, Taylor too. No, yes. Yes. I don't know. Kid can't confirm. But yeah. So that was like, I just. Like Maria Shriver seems like kinda smart and reasonable are definitely. But then your dad is Arnold Schwarzenegger as the governor of California term. It's like the Terminator is also like a weird Republican, I feel like by today's standards. He's like a century. He's probably like Arnold Schwarzenegger's like all run for president like sheriff. Who who care? I just whatever I'll vote for who has let me just to someone grabbed my hand. Make it go on the voting. Anybody different? No voting is important everybody. Everyone should vote. Everyone should not be formed apathetic as I seem to be Maddie as much more informed than I am follow her lead. Do your research research. You know, maybe volunteer at the polls you could do that. You know, how far does your patriotism and civic duty take you all the way to the White House because it take you as far as Chris Pratt. Putting on a T shirt for the marines, which he never served in. That's right. Or does it just at least get you to vote? I mean, you're that's that's a journey for you. We do not see the future. Thank god. Ooh. Can you imagine that would be really upset imagining both of us like painted like the war boys in Mad Max. Around doing this podcast. Who's to say that we won't do that next week? You know, it's true. It might happen. Yeah. So in conclusion, I don't wanna hear about their relationship anymore. But I know that I'm going to so I'm just bracing myself for the inevitable. But I would just like to go on the record as saying. I don't care. Yes. It's more Davidson news, please. 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We are so excited to be sitting down with writer director and die hard rent. Head back Schwartz to talk about rent rent. Brent brennan. Day, but today at cetera. We are talking about this in because it has always rent is always a fun thing to talk about. But also because on Sunday night, FOX aired rent live five sort of live. Wren kind of why again, I I called it rent lived. Oh is that? Okay. Because the man who played Roger broke his angles the dress rehearsal and something like I dunno shuttle him on and off stage at opportune moments because they didn't have an understudy. This is yet. I mean, I was watching this with a group of friends on Sunday, and everyone seemed very perplexed as to a wide. There is no under study for Roger and be like whether or not this was some sort of conspiracy to have it not be live because they were like why was the why was addressed hersal taped? And why was the dress rehearsal tape like so well until professionally and I was like guys, I cannot entertain this conversation. Sure. There's a reason. But these are some good talking points just to start. I think goodness. And also knowing that Adam has cowed the Oji. Roger was there backstage the entire time. They didn't close out. It would be very funny if they like made him out there shoved him in those tight pants like you got this. I also was at the end of the show they brought the entire almost the entire original cast out and for out fast gal had to sit not a table like. Like, you know, twenty yards away from everybody because he was keeping the new Roger company, which was nice, but also little little apparently the studio audience saw an actual live version in which the actor playing Roger was being wheeled about in a wheelchair. And I don't know why they didn't just broadcast that because that is I know so no day. But today just go forward with it. All of the clips I saw on Twitter of what the studio audience was actually seeing were fucking amazing. Right. Like Roger foot on a like racing. His foot being pushed around by like whoever was available at the time doing, you know, giving it his all everyone was sort of dress down a little which I enjoyed that had that looked more like of good fun dress rehearsal to watch as opposed to what we watched a on Sunday. Yeah. Especially because if final dress rehearsal, that's sort of still intact is like you're marking it you're not going as you might be a little half assing it like saving your voice for the performance. So the facts the version where they they might have been holding back just makes me angry. I agree if they did like just make Roger wheelchair would make it even more impressive that he went out. Yeah. She does. Yeah. You're in a fucking wheel broke your ankle offstage during commercial break, and your I was most upset by his toes, which were visible the every time the foot swaying into into camera. Like, I was just like not they could put some sort of blanket like a drape over it unseemly during ones on Lori when he was sort of like hauling himself around that table. It looks like he was limping and I was like Wah. Like is it did they did they surprise us with this secret live shot? Does the virus? Starting his foot. The virus takes hold in. My foot actually does has diabetes. Yeah. He's got. He's got doubts fine out. He had gotten sit of the virus. I do want to take back a little bit going back in time. It's the early nineties boy Jonathan Larson is approach by Billy Aronson who wants to write an updated version of LA Boheme, a Puccini opera about a struggling artists in Paris. But they want to set it in the late eighties during the aids crisis in the Lower East Side about a new new kind of artist. Then fast forward Aaronson drops out because he doesn't really like where it's going. Jonathan Larson keeps going it. Slowly was shaped into the play. We know today, and then very tragically the night of the friends and family dress rehearsal. Jonathan Larson died of something they think it was caused by undiagnosed Marfan syndrome varies offing. So that kind of brings us to like what the lore of rent is. And I'm sorry. If that was a boring to sue clearly already knew that as. I was at theater major after all. Wonderful wonderful. And so. Then it kind of became the sensation. It became a sensation that, you know, it's been performed in all different countries and languages, and so what I want to ask you is. What was it about it that spoke to you first off? What was it a bath that play? Aspirational? I mean, I was I desperately wanted to be an actress or a performance artist. And then here's a show about performance artist. And you know, I had grown up in boring little suburb in New Jersey, right outside of New York City. And I'd always loved coming into the city and to me the idea of being a starving artist in the east village was just everything wasn't interested in the aides or the heroine part short shorts and like the urban tribe in like these people were sticking it to the fuck, man. I don't even know what that meant yet. Just not just not paying rent. That's it twenty paying fucking rent when it when it first opened on Broadway. There is such an amazing culture that sprung up around it because it was long before Hamilton did it they were doing rush tickets for twenty dollars. So that kids like us could go see it and people would camp out online, and I had several friends several male friends who met their first boyfriends on that line for rent. That as we know. Not a surprise in place for them to me touching. Put still Swede felt a genuine Thrum of emotion briefly. When you mentioned that that's nice. Well, you know, I think rent helps a lot of people young people sort of start to come to terms of maybe their sexual identity, and maybe your first beginning steps out of the closet were to go become a rent head and meet someone else who is very similar place. Definitely I remember first hearing about it at the summer camp. I went to when I was like nine or ten because all of the counselors were teenage girls, I have Sesto or I remember asking one of them what it was about. And she goes you're too young to understand. And then that moment, I was like, I swear the earth. I'm standing on. I'm going to listen to this God damn us. And I'm gonna get it. And I'm gonna I'm gonna love it because I can do that. Way to get you into musical. It's tell you like you wouldn't understand. I know it's like in a gun is a nine year old looking up to these girls. I was just like. Think of how I I I don't actually remember like the first moment that I heard like that like, I don't remember the moment when I became aware of it. I just remember listening owning the the double CD and listening to it so much all of the time. I was surprised at how many of the words is still new will watching it on Sundays crazy. The answer is almost all of them all all every single one of them except for the lines that they change to make it safe for broadcast television. It made me so mad. I would have been TV, I get it standards practices. But there are some that were super surprising, like poo poo is in is an acceptable. Fox true. Oh, yeah. They also take that one. Not like the F word right now. I think they also didn't say piss during the didn't they send him today on your stoop to be fair while I was watching this my friends who I was watching this with were singing every line. And also performing it behind me every time I would turn around as there's just a lot of them. We're just really getting back to our roots. Got it was better than the actual. I it was the Tango Maureen that I witnessed was electrified. We're being worn. Do you have like what was the first song that grabbed you? Oh, man. The first one that like hooks me was one song Laurie because I thought it was just so epic. And then it wasn't just once on Lori. It was the way that it. Went seamlessly into light my candle, which yeah. On. On. Like didn't do end fake math. Not not exactly as I got is. I had the double CD which I also made a tape of. So we could listen to it in the car, which didn't have good CD player. And I listened to it to death to the point that my father used to just make fun of the lira all the time, and I would get so mad. He would always be like living in America. At the end of the millennium words denied. I particularly love the parts where different songs combined. So that like Rogers singing one theme like Mimi and seeing another one like that's the stuff that makes my heart just flutter with like, Aw, I know. It's like really weird feeling where it's like, you're like something in your chest is swelling or. Exactly, I I have that. I wonder if that's like something that I mean, I guess musical Frisians are thing. People have this is like a Broadway baby special. Yeah. Because I also get it during one day more limousine when it's like. Sure lin-manuel calls it the all thing. He does it in nonstop the last song of act one of Hamilton sort of echoing the lovey Bowen place in like, yes. When all these people come in singing different lines like ice, wear my heart swells to bursting out of my house. Yeah. I know that feeling too. I think I'm trying to think of what my favorite song. I've always liked without you. I also learned how to play that on the Pano believe maybe the one only, and then I've always been parcel, and then, of course, take me or leave me, those are the ones that I that I listened to the most honestly, that's a small a teen. Can I admit that I really have always disliked, Roger and Mimi Yoho. Yeah. I think I've always found their relationship to be very boring because you ship Mimi and many. Yes. You have like a secret love for Benny that we could get into when we talk about. Mario the show. He can sing. But I don't know. I think I like Collins and angel were what always got me and Colin saying. Living cries of our coverage. When he sings it alone that always just say my forgot about his was the best performance by far last night. I was like oh my God. Let me follow you around. I will say that the repris of all cover you at the funeral lacked. Some of that it has when it's not sung when it's sung by baritone. Much more like I was much more moved on the original Broadway cast, recording, correct? Which is honestly the only thing I can think of you asked Annan. Martin also was like his voice was so much lower than. Wraps like Adam rough right? And any mental wraps is that was off. Putting to me also thought this Mark was very sexual. He was too hot. He was a little high. Grant, very nerdy. And now I saw a bunch of stuff on Twitter people were complaining about hot, Mark. And I do just want to say, I always thought Anthony Rapp was super hot. I had a huge Crump on him. And I remember like waiting for him at pride events bisbee. Like, I love you Langone. I also say, and I know I said Adam route before because I've mixed up the the Anthony Adams, but like Anthony revs like a hero to he's leaving one. Who is like the whistle blower on Kevin Spacey. Oh my God. That's right on also stars of adventures in babysitting. True. True. Great point great point. I once went to a a rent sing along. Oh and afterwards. And the rap surprised everybody with a human a, oh, dear. But my second hand embarrassment for the audience because they all acted like maniacs. He clearly was put off by my second embarrassment. Was so bad that I had to leave. Oh, dear. I like left, my friend. I can't be in this. I cannot be in this space was returned. Nice people were asking. It was more like any time. He would try to answer people were like, interrupting him where it would be like, you know, like, you're all too young. Probably remember the Lower East Side as it was. And then just, you know, a bunch of I'm not, you know, it's just like, well, it's not about you. Just like every QNA is kind of awful. That's true. I always really liked all of like, the I think it's because I have such a low voice like the songs that I sing along to. But I always really liked all of the boy songs. You'll see I think is one of my favorites. And then yeah, what you own. Always do. That's a good one. Yeah. So I think like again, I was like kind of the more upbeat, but like. Macho I just love I just love something that will potentially make me cry all without you through pres of all cover, you always usually the trick. Which was nice long ally. Will I is one that always gets me? Oh, yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one. The fact that it went in the broadcast last night from will is straight into a spot for Dumbo. Oh my God. Oh, man. One thing that really bothered me about the live show and the funeral scene. And I actually didn't notice it. But then a friend pointed out is that friend of the show, Robert Akron. Is that angels family was at the funeral which is like a really big part of the musicals that they refuse to come. Oh, yeah. That's oh. Is it did we know for sure that that was her family? No, I am. This is what we do. We just say things and. Perpetuate them. Without fact checking. I will have to go back and check, but it was one of those. They also like. Changed the part with the priest where priests telling Collins that it's like. There for the funeral. Yeah. Although in terms of updating I very much liked that angel is now established as a non binary character. Yeah. She is not a drag Queen. She is a gender fluid right person. Who is is finding her identity. How did how did you guys think? Valentina did. Here's the she looks beautiful. You let's beautiful. She looked so good. However, again, maybe this was part of the holding back because it was dress rehearsal. But oh, I had second hand embarrassment may took us on mid to. I mean the cover. You was just not nothing was really reaching where it needed to go. I feel for you tomorrow for me was a bit of a mess. Just a bit. Yeah. Just a little bit. But I love Valentina nothing. But love for Valentina. Oh, of course, not we all live Ellen Tina mega apparently soda audience. I mean, they were hooting so loud, you could barely hear her. That's true. They they loved her. And you know what? That's what counts another thing. I mentioned is the ensemble on this live. Yes. We're just really hamming it up bankers. Oh, yeah. They were pulling some phases and like beard guy feel like there was a guy who decided beard does every single opportunity. He was like. The camera guy. The honest living on his living him. Oh, it was just here's the thing. Musicals are inherently Courtney. I think making I I'm you just staring at you. With disdain, you know that I love the musical. But I also think that they're Courtney fax, this is my personal opinion. Beck's I'd love to hear yours. Well, I mean musicals are inherently about heightened emotion because that's what makes us burst into song in. So if perhaps you find heightened emotion to be Courtney that I understand that point of view fake, you I'll I'll take it or I will go with that argument. Yeah. I just think that okay. Sure, we can we can take the respectful row, which the heightened emotion to burst into song et cetera. I think that something about making it live on TV like made it war. I don't know. But one thing we can kind of talk about is the movie. You know, I think it came out and what two thousand four thousand five at rate. It sounds right. It was bad. I am not Anna them film. I'm sorry. No. I don't think anybody is not any rent. Head worth our salt. Seriously worth worth or t. That's nice good. I mean, it's tough. When you take the presentation that's meant to be done live, and in the moment, where there's that feeling as an audience member where you're, you know, meshing with the performers on stage and all of a sudden put up the breakfast in distance of being on TV or in a movie theater or whatnot. So there's there's there's always that like, how are you going to film this? I think some of the live have done a better job than others. In terms of being like, we understand. This is no longer on stage. We're now sheeting or the medium. But that movie version, it just it just took away everything that was rent. Yeah. Except for the original cast which made it so jarring. I know because they are like years old sorry. Yeah. Up Daphne Rubin. Vega who is the originator of the role of Mimi was replaced by reserve Dawson because Daphne was pregnant at the time of shooting. But also Mimi is supposed to be nineteen and like even Dawson it's kind of too. Imagining a woman or forty blocked the movie out of my head because I watched it with my then roommate, and we are both big redheads. And we both just hated it. It didn't feel offended in any way, shape or form like instead of shooting on avenue B, it was like let's shoot in the back. Lot version of avenue b it's fake, right? It was like the Universal Studios. Like, New York, exactly. Of. Yeah. I how many times have you seen it live. I think four for. That's good mount. That is a good amount. I never had a lot of rent. I for my sixteenth birthday. My dad got me front row tickets to the touring company in Madison, Wisconsin go and I remember like getting split spit on by the singers and being disliked God. What do you just being like give it to me in a Cup? You know, like just slow. I don't know just close to very dressed up. It was some nice. I don't know. Yeah. I thought. I saw as a birthday present. Also. And I remember waiting afterwards outside of the cast door to, you know, meet meet as many cast members as I could. And the woman who does the solo in seasons of love I mistook her for the actress who was playing JoAnne. And I don't know why decided to say this. But I was like as a gay law student. It's very important to me that you're portraying strong, lesbian lawyer. I wasn't a law student. I had no idea what sort of sexually. I was. I just needed an in. I was wrong. That's incredible. Embarrass and I'm I'm so sorry to this day about that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry remote. You were. You were young. You were. And now. I'm looking. Yeah. It made sense at the time. I was so overcome with emotion understand burst into some it happens. It happens to the best of us. Is you get any? Did you get any autographs though? I did. I did I got Anthony Rob's autograph. And I believe Daphne Rubin Vega. Those the woman who was not JoAnne. The woman who was the soloist from Susan's was very offended. And then I was like I lack. I'm sorry. Larger black women. All look the same to me, apparently, which I at my seats were really far away. Let me also say that they're fair. That's okay. Thank you. We things happen. We all make mistakes. So thing that I also notice maybe I was wrong. So please, correct me. I don't think take digs was there. I know he wasn't some of the photos. I think Anthony Rapp posted some photos of the fam-, and I think I saw him in. There was either the end the seasons of him on stage. But at that point like, I was I was weeping. I mean who knows what I was seeing. I was just thinking I was like, ooh, Tina got rent on the divorce. She looked. Could be. I think he was there. No again. I clearly also I mean, I was also half asleep. I was briefly reinvigorated when the most of the original cast returned to sing. Because I was like, oh, this sounds so nice. I love the way. This sounds. Why wasn't like this the whole time, and I thought digs, but also my eyes were slowly closing it was my bedtime. This sounds a little bit like the album. I've been listening to since nineteen ninety six. Recognize this though. I get it. Now. I do I will say that from the live cast. I think fitness a Hudgens was good. I thought so the Maureen role as I've become a not child does fill me with extreme cringing. Yes. Yeah. And I think. Totally fucking sold. It I thought she was really good. I'm surprised I thought that she at least was having fun. Okay. Everybody really drudgery. Just like Marley. Yeah. Armed up corpses. Yeah. And like at least like she clearly was having a blast. And it's funny because she has played both Mimi and marine before. She played Mimi at the Hollywood bowl when they did the God. That's right. That's right. Which was her like introduction to rent? Yes. She didn't know what it was bless her. Oh, I definitely I thought she was actually a very high point. And I was I was I don't know what my expectations were. But I was so very pleasantly surprised own. I think no one had any energy which made it really hard, right? Or at least like something wasn't translating from the performance in the arena to like watching it on television. Right. But her she like came clearly excited. Yeah. No. When she liked pulled up on the motorcycle. I was like, okay. Here we go. I'm ready. I'm ready for this. And then she was like, yes, she was like injected it with like a little a little verve. Because again because it was addressed rehearsal. Everyone was like doing their best. But they were also like marking it, and like, no one was really going as full out as I think they could have and that I agree. I thought during via Boheme Boheme via Boheme she was totally totally selling it more than anyone else. What I believe she was having the time for. Life totally via boa was such a felt the energy was off. Well, who is right? But still. I mean, we're not again, we're not talking about the star of this. Which is Mario right? Oh, my. He was good. It was great. And he was really good. Who knew? Yeah. I mean, and I wanted to talk to both of you about like, how your perception of rent has changed as you've gotten older where I know my thing now is like pay your fucking rent. Yes. You know, like, why do you think you don't have to pay round like if I'm paying rent you should pay rent? And that also I was listening to on my flight. And I realized like what when Benny shows up, and he is like I need the rent you owe me for the last year that I've been letting you live rent free in there. Like fuck you. Right. What does he need that one year's worth of rent for? He's got all these investors. Housands dash maybe has a drug problem longside Mimi. Yeah. Or maybe. Yes. As a as a grownup person, you're like, dude, what the fuck you can't you can't expect not to pay rent. What what kind of titled privileged bullshit? Is that you think you can you get to live rent free because you're in artist. I'm also just like these are two like shitty. White transplants. Yeah. Who and Benny is like a young black entrepreneur who's investing in property, which is like area safe and sound investment. He wanted to make a we work, and he was going to give them. Studio, we were is just like he was trying to maintain the authenticity of the neighborhood by allowing these artists top space. So I again pro yes, I on the top. He's rent keeps open the shop. I mean that makes a lot of sense. I mean what you think about it? When you listen to the lyrics, and you think about it at whatever age you are now when you are no longer like sixteen it tracks. Benny Benny stand with Benny than do you really want? Piss on murder. Which is really not. Okay. Also, a thing that I think I missed for the most part as a kid, I didn't miss it. I knew it was present. But I didn't consider it the way I should have is the the content about HIV aids. IS where I think if we're looking at it critically Jonathan laws and actually did not do a great job of handling it and a lot of ways true. But also it does bring it into the conversation again. And weirdly, I like Ryan Murphy actually has a lot to do with. Why people are like thinking about the aids crisis again. Producing a lot of content about it. Right. But like our generation just has no idea. What how devastating was that is true to real. And I don't I don't know if it gets covered in in schools that if if like if you're thirteen if you know about the epidemic that removed a generation of gay men. Yeah. I mean, another thing our friend Robert Ackerman said he was like think about like an entire generation of artists in New York gone. Yeah. Happened. Didn't right? Yeah. I I'm very curious as to as to like if your thirteen in watching rent for the first time like what your context of HIV aids? And the crisis is like a footnote. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting too that the only character who dies is. Okay, man or now. Now, non binary person, you know, the straight couple kind of get to make it to the end. And I know a lot of people have been very critical of that. I mean, I read something. Last week that said on out dot com written by Herron. Walker sort of said that the a lot of rent was taken from Sarah Schulman novel this Sarah Solman, made her case about rent beings stolen, ripped from one of her books in a book called stage struck theater aids the marketing of gay Merika. Let's see she notes. The similarities between the Maureen JoAnne Marquesa plot on the love triangle at the heart of people in trouble to book that she wrote and the climactic art based protests against slum lords and rising rents found in both. So she argues that rent is sort of a mash up of logo of Puccini and her book. This is what she says is like the smoking gun. The smoking gun rights woman is that of the community wide as E T O arm set to people's watches meant to remind people living with HIV to take their meds. The details found in people in trouble. And it's based on a real things Shulman observed that thanks to. Advances in HIV medications were obsolete by the time Larsen was writing the book for rent. So how did it end up in rent? Simple says Salman Watson stole it from people in trouble a book that a mutual friend of both playwrights definitely remembers Larsen talking about while working on rent the end. Yeah. He knew someone else who told him the same anecdote because they too had witnessed people having easy -til arms. Sheriff also like a detail of life. You know, really? They didn't really I mean, I feel like. The putra. Yeah. I wrote a book where woman has an alarm on her phone to take birth control pill, and then that detail showed up in a movie like I don't think you get a case for that. This is merely just presenting a small controversy discovered in my research. I apparently and so hard core that I'm just going to defend. That's okay. Just wanted to. I love to see all both sides of a thing. Yeah. I wanna read her. But also see like it being it influencing. You know, the work. I just seems like that's a little bit different than just like plagiarize. For sure. Yeah. I mean, especially if he was reading source material about the era also true, valid points everyone again just had to present. This j I see. Well, I'm gonna read that book, and I will tell you. I would welcome it. Thank you so much. You're just gonna rip it up. TB continued. Let's so if that raised your hackles, you're going to love this guy. I think friend is maybe bad. That's fine. I'll take it. I love it. I'll take. Yeah. I love it. But I think it's not good now that I've like watching another thing that I've found as an adult is that it. It's very deconstruct that statement like what part is bad. We've just been talking about the things that we love about it. I it is highly problematic. Yeah. May maybe not good. Major source for okay? See I would like to one very much separate. Thinking something's bad and not loving it. Where my whole world is based around low brow things that I had doors is true. It is true. I do love it. And I think a lot of that is wrapped up in a stall. And a lot of it is wrapped up in kind of the schlock Innis of it in a way. I think again like just sort of the themes that don't age very well. Like, it feels like this vary. It feels kind of cartoony at a certain point where it's just. Again, like it does it's not like a very realistic portrayal of it's not angels in America. And it shouldn't be right. But it just I just feel like it has not aged very, well, I think part of that is because we don't understand the the it's crisis as well as people used to write. But also, I think it is just. Like, it's gonna pay your goddamn rent. That's right. And it's it's very of an era. And also, I believe that in earlier draft Maureen and JoAnne also had aids. Which makes you think more of the team America world police like aids aids aids. Yeah, everyone is like, right. Yeah. Uh-huh. Exactly. Okay. I think it's okay that they didn't. I mean, he said alerts and said he wanted to create a musical for the MTV generation it did. And he did he did. I mean, there's a lot of like rock musicals that came before and after, but you know, Jesus Christ leaper star holds up oddly enough. Like, I said, I love it. And now that like, it's I've had a reason to listen to it again, I will be listening to for the next month. Yeah. And I will be singing it constantly Ali better than a lot of people in the show. Cool. Very interesting point about rent fandom and being rent head is like I certainly reached a point in my life where I was like, oh, oh this thing that I love. Me. We isn't the masterpiece. I thought it was when I was younger I s a beautiful realization painful. I mean, that's yeah. I guess getting older up can sucks. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm glad that you still like hardcore about it. It's also kind of like what like tumbler has done for like weirdos. My God rent kinda was like an early I'm sort of like created. In that year, and like diverse and varied, you know, kind of this place for like these young not necessarily outcast. But like young freaks two young kids aren't freaking enough to like actually be freaky. But who are like to not feel right? Yeah. Yeah. Or even just if you're if you're not even brave enough to waive your free flag at that point. And you hear or see this? And you're like, I'm not the only weird one someday. I'm going to have a tribe full of weirdos just like me, which like definitely happens my chosen family there. They're waiting for me. Yeah. My urban tribe. I will find them all when I get to college and get out of the small town. I do like one last question, which is that so facts you like wanted to be an actor. And you wanted to do musical theatre did you ever audition for rent song? Or did you ever addition for like with song or did you up on dishing for rent? Role. I never did. I cannot saying much to my chagrin and was no straight theater. Oven guard post modern theatre, please. Oh, yeah. But no, I even when I did for musicals I used to do a lot of songs from hair. I don't think I ever wanted to touch rent because it was like, you know, that that bar was set so high that if you came in under it was just like, oh, you were even worse. Hair? Like kind of set the set the ground for rent. Oh, yes. Absolutely. What was your hair song? I used to do air as an addition because it's like, cute and character and you get to cough at the end. And it's like. Have you Maddie? No, I I once to addition for like the special choir middle school is saying song from Joseph in the mazing. Technical wise, not surprise me. I did like the narrators opening like some folk stream of the wonders will do what? I won't do. I won't suffer you through the whole thing. Now, I'm ready. So we can do we do. I won't I won't make back septa worked full day. Well, we would love to have you back shocked about musicals anytime true. Talk about nonmusical things. I would love to come back. This has been an absolute delight. Thank you so much. This has been great. 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Mermaids, Kraken and the Loch Ness Monster: Making Sense of Myths, pt. 3
"You're listening to BRIANCON where we're serious about. Being curious. Brains on is supported them part by a grant from the National Science Foundation allegation thousand years ago the freezing cold waters between Norway and Iceland where dangerous place ships had to watch out for ice for other ships and for something gurgling in those dark mysterious waters. They were on the lookout for a sea creature. The deep below the surface the cracking and when it rose up. Do you see that. There's a leg coming out of the water and another leg another like over here. It's the kraken could wrap. It's it's tentacles around the ship and carry back under the waves or a snack. The kraken was huge. Some say it was as big as an island island and it was tricky. Hold on we've escaped its legs. I think we're free but we what's happening now now. If the cracking couldn't catch a ship with its legs then it would swim in fast circles around and round and round until created a whirlpool doubt. Pulled the ship under if ship never came home people to stories like this one to explain what had happened. Sometimes something think long and squishy and strange would wash up on the beach a creature longer than a car with even longer legs. Was this the beast that sailors were so afraid of or was there something even bigger out there. Something as big big as an island. This is brains on from American public media. I'm molly bloom and I'm here today with Melu from Seattle High Mellow Hi Molly. This episode is part three of our series about modern myths and legends. Today we're talking about mythical creatures live in water a subject. Our listeners are very curious about doom remains exist with this being record year era of Loch ness monster sightings I would love to hear about a history and possibly learn. The loch ness monster is actually real. Who came up with the legend agenda Mermaids and did they think that they were ugly or pretty like we did today all the Times? I wanted to Yo Shen. There are so johnny bright lively things and I just wonder. Could anyone live down here. Thanks to Kelly Halley from Toronto Avi from Newport beach and Hazel from Tulsa for sending US those questions from the Ocean to lakes two rivers and streams wherever you find water we'll find stories of mythical creatures so mellow what are your favorite myths about water animals mermaids and why are mermaids your favorite wavering because they usually like look so pretty and like when you see like their tail and it's like a way of combining of fish and a human are there other mythological creatures that you've heard about that you think are interesting to the Loch Ness Monster. Why do you like the Loch ness monster will so any see like there's like real proof in evidence of it because like there's like a picture like I saw and it reminds me of like a dinosaur uh-huh well we are actually going to learn more about that famous photo of the Loch ness monster later in the show? So why do you think these stories about mythological creatures are so popular maybe because it's like most of them are like old ish and then they're usually a way to explain like something bad sometimes good of what happens. Yes when people were confronted with things. They didn't understand these stories. Made them feel better. Yeah well we wanted to know why bodies of water inspire are so many myths so we talked with monster expert. Dr Emily Zarka. She says that lots of myths begin with fear. I'm actually terrified of the ocean. Shen the most respectful way possible. Because we just don't understand it and I think that all sea monsters come ultimately from real fears ears that travelers have still have today of things like whirlpools of sharks of giant squid of these. You know predators that are lurking in the oceans or even just drowning rounding myths also get created when people feel confused. It can be hard to see things through water which makes it tricky to identify animals so people sometimes sometimes tell stories to explain what they saw. Emily says myths can also be used to teach important lessons like the Coochie from Japan. It's described as a strange fish that so long. It could take three hours to pass by a ship. So this is a creature that has no is in no mouth south but it was believed to basically just be a giant eagle that secreted oil from its body if the cookie released enough oil it it would flood the ship and it would sink. Sailors had to move fast to keep that from happening. As long as you're bailing out the oil your ship and the sailors are going to survive. But what I find fascinating about this Japanese monster is that it can't be defeated. It just happens and then the response is about hard work. These stories stories that we create are not just meant to terrify us. But maybe it's something as simple as trying to keep travelers safe. I think it's our way of explaining the world and the things we don't understand and sometimes those are things were afraid of. And sometimes those are things that are beautiful but telling myths and creating eating monsters is part of the Human Condition Dr Emily Zarqa hosts. PBS show called monstrum. You can find monstrum astrum online. It's all about monsters and you should totally check it out. I bet see animals get so tired of people mistaking them for mythical creatures like just the other day. I was at a Sebok's cafe and I overheard this conversation between between a manatee and a Dugong to seagrass snacks to go out there for US mermaids. It's no I'm do gong and I'm a manatee weird. The way you poked your head out of the water made me look like a mermaid. Well Yeah and the way your tail flipped out of the water made me look like a mermaid. Well too bad buddy. We're I see cows and proud. Oh sorry Ms Dugong and Ms Vanity. We're used to it. Humans have been mistaking us for mermaids since the dawn all of time since the fourth century B C E to be exact. That's when the Babylonians I cooked up the idea of God who was half man half fish. It's Israel may we please have our seagrass snacks now. Yes yes here you go all. Thank you come on Darla. Let's take our our snacks. GOPHERS swim. I told you we should go to a sebok's their logo is a mermaid. FOR SHRIMPS SAKE I know but I tried Bridie seagrass snacks cares. I just wish humans would swoon over me for who I really am. I'm tired of being a disappointment. Oh Darla you're not a disappointment you don't Gong. Ju just like US fabulous manatees only live longer have a tail like a well and you can't see so well which really who cares plus mermaids are pretty so doesn't that just mean humans. Were pretty to know Muriel. Watch I town. There's another boat. Oh the mayor okay. Bro Look do going. It could be no no man does well. You'll recall yeah yeah about brains on okay mellow. Here's a watery mystery for you to ponder under. It's time for the here. It is the okay. What do you think that sound is? That sounds like a seal a seal in the water There's definitely some lottery noises happening there. And you think you heard seal zeal. High pitched screeches not really screech What is a very very good? Guess we're GonNa hear the mystery sound again and reveal the answer answer a little bit later in the episodes keep thinking on it. I'm saying and I'm mark and we're back with another addition other hoax honors. We lack miss but we hate intrigued. Yeah we lacked this around. We take it and We again we don't oaks is when somebody tricks you into believing something that isn't true. Today's hoax is all about your favorite giant Scottish sea creature. That's right it's the Loch Ness Monster. Otherwise known as they've been stories about the Loch ness monster for centuries the things really got going in nineteen thirty three when a couple of claim they saw a creature splashing around in the lock. which by the way is the lake? If you're in Scotland what the Hagous I guess the couple's creature citing got so much buzz that a London newspaper sent the famous hunter. Marmaduke Wetherell to catch the monster whether all it didn't have any luck finding Nessie but he did find some giant tracks in the sand. The footprints are so big the creature would have to have been the size of a double decker bus. Whoa but then as you all just looked at the footprints and said they were actually hippo tracks? But it wasn't a wild Scottish hippopotamus know it was whether l he used dried hippos foot to stamp tracks in the sand whether else is hoax was exposed and the dude was totally humiliated. But the Nessie mania didn't stop there just a few months later. Respected Surgeon named Robert Wilson was driving along along the LoC when he saw a slender necked creature. Sticking its head out of the Water Wilson photograph the creature and the image went viral. Some people thought the photo proved proved. That nessie really did exist. Others were suspicious. Sixty years later it was revealed. The photo was also a hoax. orchestrated by none other than whether L. himself. You folks here's how he did it after the whole hippo. lasko whether we're all crafted a new plan to fool the masses. He teamed up with his Stepson to build a fake nessie by attaching plastic head to a toy submarine the pair photograph. Photograph the toy in the water and gave the photos to Wilson to share with the press. They figured more people would believe someone with a good reputation like a doctor. The photo remains one of the most. I kinda images of Nessie to date too bad. It's a fake. That's all for today's episode of Coats. If you want to hear more about the Loch ness monster check out our other podcast smash boom best where we debated Bermuda Triangle versus Loch Ness. Oh yeah team watching us for life you can find smash boom best wherever you listen to Sean. Do you have a big question about the way the world works. We love getting your questions and your artwork to or you can always just write us to say hello had two brains on dot org slash contact. That's how we got this awesome question. My name is Shifra. I'm ten years and I listen. CBS Julia my question is they. Do people jump when this kid stay tuned at the end of the episode to hear the answer to that question and to hear the newest members of the brain's honor roll. We'll be right back. You're listening to brains on. I'm molly mellow. We asked Our listeners a witch mythical creature they choose to hang out with. And here's what they had to say. A fantasy I like to meet is a mesler unnecessary as a creature that really really liked training objects and I'd like to meet one because they're really especially the baby ones. I'd like to go camping thing with drought because I could roast marshmallows with it I would like to hang out with a mermaid because I like to swim and look for other seeing animals. Hang Out with the Unicorn in Doomsday. Is this how would see party plane. I liked a hangover dragging because the cooled older my favorite and look they have so many palace and reality because do setting the Komodo dragon to meet a Phoenix. I will want to like this up-close with him or her and I would like to see what Color Phoenix has. It would just be so cool. ooh that sounds like a very good time. Thanks to Kaelin from Minnesota Ruby from Austin Gus from Victoria. B C s from Granville Freya. Now from Toronto and Laura Live from Boston for sending US those ideas now. Let's get back to our mystery sound. Are you ready to hear it again. Mellow the all right. Do you have any new thoughts after hearing again now so Thinking that it could be a puffins who another animal that lives near the water. I like it here is the answer. The sound you just heard was the manatee. Hi My name is Rachel Haywood Fajita and I study Latin American literature are an important part of seamus because sailors over many hundreds hundreds of years have seen these new creatures that they didn't recognize and they interpreted them to be something mythical Nicole or something that they might have heard about Such as mermaids one sailor who seems to have mixed up manatees and mermaids is Christopher Columbus we know that that because when he sailed to America he kept a diary the original writing got lost but someone else Bartolomeo della Casa's made records of the diary before it was lost. Those records are in in Spanish in Spanish. It says a LIEPA SADDLE BE Huckabee. Let us it'll be enough to the lamade annoyed on Moscow. Komo beaten can eliminate then inform on the data so what he's saying is that he saw three mermaids doesn't say what distance he we saw them at what he does say rose up out of the sea and they weren't quite what he was expecting to see. He was expecting to see beautiful half half women half fish and he sounds a little disappointed instead. They're not as beautiful as they are in pictures because they look sort of like men and not these lovely women. He was expecting though. Really if you see a picture of a manatee they don't really look like men either at least not up close Oh Because they're kind of has a tail at the end and like their top is like a little more human looking. Oh Yeah I guess when. You're out on C.. For a long time you can start. Seen things. Manatees aren't the only sea creatures that have inspired admits. The ocean is a full of so many unusual animals. Some of them seem straight out out of a fairytale like the giant squid. Brains on Listener Callum Rota wanting to know more about these amazing and totally real creatures so we introduced should use him to Dr Idi Witter the perfect person to answer his many squid related questions. She's spent much of her career as a deep sea explorer and and is now the CEO and senior scientist at the Ocean Research Conservation Association or Orca for short. Hello Hello Callum via giant squid so hard to see because they're shy people used to think they were monsters just because of their size but the the fact is we've been scaring them away we go down near to explore with these exploration platforms like submersibles and remote operated vehicles and they have noisy thrusters and big bright lights and of course they were gonNA run away we think there may be millions of them out there based on the number of giant squid beaks that have been found in the stomach of sperm whales. So that's even more amazing that there could be that many and we haven't seen them just because of the silly way we've been exploring the deep ocean so I was so upset by the fact that we were scaring these animals away that I developed this camera system system that I could put in the ocean and leave it down there and it didn't have noisy thrusters and it didn't use bright white lights at used red light that these squid squid can't see and then I created this optical lure that imitates the display of deep sea jellyfish a bio luminescent display that I thought would be attracted to the giant squid and sure enough it was and so I actually managed to record with that camera the first video ever ever seen of a giant squid in its natural habitat which was pretty cool. How long are they The longest one ever measured they said was forty three feet so that would be as tall as a four storey building and they had those big long stretches tentacles so they can whip them out and grab onto things. Have you ever seen the mouth of a giant squid now. It's it's in the center of all those arms and it looks like a parrot's beak squid like to eat. Eat Squid. A lot and some of them are cannibals. The weird thing about the giant squid is it takes tiny little bites and we saw this when when we got the first video of a giant squid off Japan in two thousand and twelve and we were using a bait squid called a diamond back. It was dead squid that we attached to the submersible and then a giant squid came in and it was eating it for almost twenty five minutes and the weird the thing about giant squid is they have to take tiny bites because they're gullit goes right through the center of their brain. They have a doughnut shaped brain rain. And if they take too big bite they could actually damage their brain. So this is probably one of the most alien creatures you can ever imagine. Because it's got these eight riding arms and to incredibly long stretchy slashing tentacles it's got a beak that can rip rip flesh it's got the largest is known in the animal kingdom the size of dinner plate. It's got a funnel that allows it to have jet propulsion equally fast forward and backwards got three hearts and it pumps blood. I mean you couldn't make up a more alien sounding creature so it makes sense that they inspired these fantastic stories. Well there were a lot of mysterious things in the ocean that scared the early sailors and when a giant giant squid is dying. They do tend to come to the surface and the ancient sailors tales describe these creatures floating at the surface that were so large they they could be mistaken for an island and if a boat went near them to try to see what it was they would instinctively grab onto whatever came near them and they could actually pull a boat underwater but it was not malicious intent. It was just you know instinct But they would you know. Sailors would come back with these horrific stories of just enormous monsters and the stories of course grew in telling it was called the cracking Sega. Thank you for coming and bite by Bar Callum. You ask good questions. I enjoyed talking with you about brands on. There are so many incredible animals in the world. It's hard to believe some of them exist totally. It's no wonder nature inspires so many myths especially especially the ocean. So much of it is unexplored and scientists discover new sea creatures. All the time creatures just as fantastical as a cracking or the Loch ness monster. I just wish there was an easy way to keep up. It seems like everyone always knows about the newest deep sea trans before me. Sounds like you've got a bad case of deep sea foam oh deep-sea let GMC Saumur. That's busy out on hot gusts all about the latest deep sea discoveries. 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154 - "Still Teflon Don, Moynihan's Emmy, Vaping Panic"
"Warning this program typically features respectful nuance commentary strong language skier pop culture references in serious allegations new methods of attack looking back to another exciting installment of the fifth column Alum podcast. This is your almost weekly rhetorical assault on the news cycle the people that make an occasional ourselves and I should've amend this whole thing began like can I can actually call the show like Emmy Award winning play another show itself hasn't when any hardware we are any Jason but because Michael Moynahan Vice News who's in the building and he is Emmy Award winning journalist God. He is associated with with the podcast name. His name is under the mass that we qualify because they don't give those kinds of things to God cast anyway. Apparently they give them to anyone. Exactly yeah even even old white white guys stretching. It's not right and it's not fair while I was in. He's in the building. Thank you Anthony Fisher. Also in the building fresh off of his stint uh-huh co hosting the Republican presidential nominee debate thing co moderating the debate hosted by business talk about that a little bit daily show treatments on point and and Camille foster is also here now. I do stuff at free think casually I. I also suffering servant what I am. I'm very impressed. Camile yeah because you texted me earlier. Today and you're like I wanted to do it. I don't want to go do it's fucking forty five minutes. I was like it was like the dentist coming out and refined pop. Just shut up and you come and I do have Zayn more sympathy for you because I see shuffling in is shot and you say three in the morning from some other state so I have to say I'm and I'm very impressed that you gave a very spirited intro somebody who hasn't slept much and I don't believe any longer taking taking prescription stimulants. This is true. I'm high off of life and French in school. Kids see you guys very good friend. Matt Welsh is somewhere on assignment or just generally fucking laze. He's at large is the editor at large reason magazine see I did that. there's a great deal going on in the world. we should talk about is apparently. Oh my God going to be impeached again but probably not because Teflon Don he can't be touched but even if the navy tomorrow something else remember. Bill Clinton was impeached. Yeah and we got eight years. We'll see and we deserve long and hard hitching really about how that works works gross thing to say how it works. Is it particularly particularly for Bill Clinton Lindsay context appropriate. Yes that's the problem I mean if it wasn't a an Obama was large. No I think we should talk a little bit about the president's situation but it is so fluid and changing moment to moment who knows where that will end up by the time this is released but there is a young lady who set the world ablaze or is trying to stop the ones. Yes yes again look at the things he said. This is all very well calibrated before I say it on the war on e CIGS is still going on and I think we should not going on and it's it's. It's an IT's a battle. The bulge credible is it but I think we should begin with this whole emmy situation because as I understand it when the EMMYS are are so white again yeah there's at least been reported a few cases and given you how yeah I was just a different emmys. No on the news and documentaries that's not one is sitting in the crowd counting the number of why people on stage because the people the WHO typically do that are sitting in the crowd because it's a news emmys the previous night they're watching the ones on television this is this is why the game of thrones wants people. There's no photos of you with them. Now I have a photo Jamie and Peter ledges. Just I fall Chelsea to see him and Chelsea all the time. 'cause I used to work over and I used to see. This is what I'm saying but I used to see. This dog had a huge DASA dog. It's amazing. I've seen him why I haven't seen him. I've seen photos the same he had this big dog and I would always see I'm not going to say more than that. Yes because he was doing take me away. He was doing it on purpose. It was to troll people. You don't at that point. Maybe you had to do it or it was good because now he's just fucking. Peter England yeah I mean he's like you know. Women's Love Him Yeah Yeah. Everyone knows I got Peter Drink which is really hot. I like I like you know. I think he's great. He's a great actor. He's he's funny as green is also very handsome and is he's a handsome uh-huh and is a British accent got better as that show in on despite haven't seen it. I saw the first episode and then kind of one of the later ones. Hook and he sounded he's sounded better but yes at the emmys regret great that was it was it was fun but the Emmy so why does the different so that one I said to you because you were out there. During during Oscarssowhite like fucking Euclid doing math equations about why that wasn't true. I sent you a message about this and then I'm GonNa find the message that I sent because there was a an article like why don't we can pay attention but there was an article in Vogue. you know it's not a small magazines means a big. It's a big magazine and so there was an an emmy is article V. I was like okay this is this is inevitable and it was the headline was two thousand. Emmys were once again so white in the picture beneath it is the only I think all white cast which is game of thrones right which is not alway cat. I was not an AK why cast but the photo here the people who appear to be mostly mostly white but it's also an incredible situation in the world world that I'm looking at a photo of a TV show after they've won an award that I think is richly deserved people's attention and saying I'm count generally. I'm trying trying to figure out what race everyone I mean. It's kind of a kind of a weird thing but so I sent this to you. Is it sounds like you're in the nineteen sixties or something yeah. No I know weird it works. I was weird that Bull Connor presented Orval fobus award for lifetime achievement sufficiently white achievement it said Emmys Amis categories twenty six categories they're handed out in only three yes three major awards major awards. I don't know how they qualify that people of color you're and then down below that says the twelve acting honors given to two black actors so you know we're talking to thirteen percent representation because we're talking about representation. You have to do this right. Thirteen percent yeah right. Isn't that interesting number to twelve would be well. I twenty six. It would be three so that's perfect out of out of out of twelve. That's too that's overrepresented right so I don't really understand yea what this stuff is supposed to be because then you realize I had a bit of a connection last episode about an article article about some tall show go back and listen to it because then you'll get your need is very vital content. That's how we downloads you. We don't we won't tell you anymore but my favorite bit and his piece some saw when you start by the way ladies and gentlemen boys and girls if you are training to be journalist news and you start a sentence say says some saw you're fired but it's two thousand nine hundred and fourteen year olds or running not invoke some sought. Chernobyl's triumphs as robbing Eva Duvalier's highly praised when they see us a searing look at the Central Park five stories another instance American awards voters preference for European history over their own countries dark past now. Let's do something here quickly. I wouldn't actually actually called Ternopil European History Soviet Socialist Republic. It's the Soviet Union in a nineteen ninety-six but if you want to expand Europe Eurasia or something but this this is exactly what I was talking about the other day in the last episode it and I saw this and multiple versions of this article is that criticism has become this. The merits of the show don't matter at all. It's like we'd how did share noble win against Aberdeen as divorce as show is a better show in by the way. I think that journal was the first show that was on. I'm one hundred percent rating after like ten thousand votes yeah look. I liked it. That was a very good show. I think it has like some severe of factual scientific fantastic deficiencies but there's some there's some yeah it is haunting yes and an amazing. Nothing happened really fantastic. So you see the Korean. Everything blows up and just like as film. It is a very very difficult thing to make something like that. Four five thing everyone loves it and it's essentially the historical version of a Harold Pinter play. It's just people taking dramatic pauses and huffing and puffing around Kennedy really really works and the criticism areas that because caused this when they see us is about the central park five and that is our history by the way imagine that nativist kind of idea. This is our history and you're favoring their history. This US versus them kind of paradigm but the funny thing about this. Is it completely flattens whether or not these films are good. you know this is the thing that I it was representations. about WHO's being nominated and now it's about representation and who's being chosen there might be a year in which you know minority led show. Ron Written directed shows run the tables and I can see that happening very easily because I can think of a lot of shows that fit that bill that are great. Atlanta tore it up a couple years ago and it was great and it's a great. It's really actually a great show. I wasn't show great television show and I don't care what color doesn't matter to great TV show and then and you know this is like look. Chernobyl was a great piece of work and this person was complaining that you should have chosen your preference should be it's kind of a Stalinist incident. It isn't it was like a like a Pravda review is art is for the people when they say that it means tell you what the art is going to be in this thing taking the the voter's preference for European. It's you know maybe it's their preference for good television over. You know okay television in. I tried to watch that thing and it just wasn't my cup. I'm not I'm not going to say. It's a bad of piece of work. I just you know but it's crazy that this is actually how ninety percent of the coverage on other stuff just like this. I'm like how how could you choose this Jilani Cobb from the New Yorker who I hope will come on the show who tweeted the voters had an easier time countenancing radioactive disaster thousands of miles away the disaster right here in which they might be implicated when they see us who that is. I have literally that's one. That's one thousand three hundred legs on that. I literally have no idea what that means. The funny thing is the first responses I agree. It's racist of them not to pick the black. Show me as I irresponsible and you can't know if that's sincere. I have no idea sorry I have no idea but it isn't it kind of crazy great response that the radio AH activists are thousands of miles away so we need to have a radius when we're voting for what films you like best where they took place so it's in Ukraine and so now oh is that a transition we can be good but is in Ukraine so we shouldn't prize that even though it's really good over the one that happened you know right right miles away from Johnny cop down this real quick though just as as a as a fan of the art form Eva Devaney whenever her her shows or documentaries or feature films don't win outright all the awards. There's always an accusation of an ulterior motive and Selma. I don't so if you guys saw Selma. didn't blow me away. I thought it was okay. That was a story that deserve to be told that had some powerful moments and some powerful performances but it had flaws us and when didn't sweep the Oscars there were there was a similar conversation. I guess it was about three years ago that there must be some kind of cultural roll or biased ulterior motive not that maybe just wasn't as good as another movie or wasn't perceived as good as test of your theory though Fisher is whether or or not a wrinkle in time had some sort of major best picture campaign associated with it and I'm not sure if it did well. That's the wrinkle in time I mean I read a lot of reviews of the wrinkle of wrinkle time and most of them were contorted themselves like painfully to say well the movies kind of a mess but it's it's important. It's important that it was made of these particular movies. Movies are an important. I've never seen an important time. No no there can be no. They're not important. No absolutely not there are movies that are effective active in effecting but I don't believe that you know it's important that people see Schindler's list. It's important that people are told learned to learn about the Holocaust not that they see a film about it. Can it can act as some sort of supplementary material or something but I don't believe films are important in that way because once you start believing being in that paradigm that fills filter import. Why wouldn't you take that further in say let's make this entire project of Hollywood and of popular films one that promotes culture for the people and then we get back to this area of saying what is this. What is the the the the way that this film is lifting 'cause he should be lifting more. If it's not getting recognition for trying we try to give it more recognition can push you further or a book can be important though yeah absolutely import. It's just a medium yeah okay well. No I mean I think that this idea the way it's applied is that somebody makes a dramatic film. the historical event by going to be the thing that most people are. GonNa push back at me on my tongue lashing this is this'll be where it gets. this is a yeah of course. Can I mean in. I don't wouldn't put the sort of Bible next to you know the Central Park five movie. There's things that are of historical importance in necessary to understand but when these are things have an event we should see this is essentially tactically knowledge in that our society. He's full of dummies who don't want to read about it. So it's the only way we're going to wrap the dogs pill and cheese in smuggled them some information they need. I just don't like this idea of always you. You know thinking that in a movie has to perform a function other than entertaining us. It's kind of like my version of the Milton Friedman saying a you know a company is only goal is to I'm pleased. Shareholders like it is like your job is to entertain people and you can do that and they're gonNA be quote unquote an important message. I don't like the whole category because this is a funny thing. Think about this if this article also 'cause there's no in the can't be attacked because also who was attacked backstage immediately after was rupaul which is incredible incredible incredible drag race in came from essence essence writer who is that the production stash was not diverse enough and then. Rupaul full full credit Paul first of all the host of our show. This is him talking to himself. First of all the host of our show is black gay drag queen so check check and check the master lots of different types of people here diversity. It's important yes yes so the and depends on of course it's important. That's also strikes me as someone saying in in the way the most people would say it is that diversity in its proper meeting is important to get a bunch. You don't WanNa have a kind of monoculture inside of a writer's room. it's just. GonNa Produce less interesting as as we all know and is always worth mentioning genuine diversity is certainly beyond just what people happened happened to look like the the shape and shade of their genitalia as I'm prone to saying which reminds me before we transitioned to to Ukraine and the President I had the bizarre bazaar experience of writing to and from the airport this past week which is not so bizarre in and of itself but both Uber Rides I end up traveling doing with recent immigrants to the country. One was from Haiti. Tom This is this is true wonders from eighty and the other was from Somalia like both of them and we were just having conversations and in both instances we had conversations about politics in one instance the guy in DC was listening to NPR and I mean with rapt attention and he was listening to the coverage of the impeachment proceedings and he was so angry but in both cases the conversations sort of started in different ways want into politics and ended on race and I was surprised to have have both of them introduce a conversation about race. I didn't start it wasn't me and I'm folks would probably expect it was born in the US neither Ervin born in the US voted daily or did they have accents yes so do they have an American type influenced vision that precisely and it was like really surprising housing to me and they both seem to kind of grapple with the concepts pretty awkwardly like the one guy who was taking me to the airport here in New York and said something along he asked me have you ever experienced racism and you can imagine like this just began in a really unwieldy conversation by I just got reject. I think it's a very very immigrant question because I think that nobody at asking questions of rupaul backstage from presents magazine would ask you that because there would be a presumption that you had in if you said that you hadn't that's giving you the option to say no that wouldn't occur to anyone else that he went on but he went on to cite right the litany of things that one would expect you decide if you were talking about America in two thousand nineteen and the role of racism and what it's like to be a black person in America and both of them have had that that sense of themselves or at least talked about themselves in that way throughout the course of our conversation they they sort of seemed to introduce introduce a bit more complexity and nuance into the conversation and we're willing to agree with me on certain things but I was surprised that both conversations had that element element but both of them also seem to embrace this notion of imagining themselves as as that as a black man in America in precisely the way that the the the common parlance as sort of evolved with respect to how people talk about race and identity so it was a little a little disconcerting concerting for me. Although both conversations were rewarding. I nearly always have interesting conversations on the way to the airport with the folks who drive because you have time because of Nice guy no but it's also you have to talk to don't yeah no they. Don't I get routinely get emails asking if they paid a premium because they got a podcast with you in and Sir. I'm like yeah. I got to figure it out. I said that your frankly you're nicer to collect. I collect the money it's true. I mean look if we if we he can do fucking deep fakes Camille. It's not gonna be a hard time speaking of deep fake so quickly. I say come on here. We go. It's pretty good here. We go but you'RE GONNA to be yeah. We all fucking trump trump magazine. He's a bad guy no. I always find this. I found this in a cab yesterday a man who picked me up and you know why he was early because I was in a yellow cab and they don't fucking care and there's literally no recourse so tweet it was hot and it was one of those minivan so it was like it was like being in an execution chamber back and he was like you know wouldn't acknowledge me and like grunted something about which exit on the Bq off yeah and then I realized he was like leaning in listening and ten intently the BBC World Service and it's like so funny because every time you you get into a cab and it's like it's the hilarious vision that people have of immigrants as these freeloaders coming into the we're going to deal with I'm in New York is everyone's of course like extremely hard to nine jobs the only lazy people I meet him. This is a this city or my friends all their friends. They'll have nine jobs but I always think it's funny too is that you always have. It's the same in Europe. The version is a guy in a cab and he's like a Syrian neurosurgeon. Search ready and it's the same thing here is like you know back in my country. I ran the Ministry of Finance and just trying to send my kids school and they're listening to like book on tape about like monetary policy or something. That's always the fun thing is never the Thomas Friedman thing. It's just like watching what they're consuming. It's always it's he's always a book on the on the Cedar magazine and the things on some angry French broadcasts from local Haitian station where they're calling for a coup. I'm I'm sure I had a cab home. From late. Network covering the democratic debate about two weeks ago with a Iranian Persian full on trump assed like angry as hell constantly. I have a I some found out. I worked in politics he was. I shouldn't have said that. I should have just said I I work in math. Oh yes something like this isn't true. I was on a shoot once with my producer. I hadn't seen in a long time. It was the New York Times and I saw Leland and we laughing because we had four cab drivers and this two weeks shoot two of whom were black and both of them are trump supporters into were white this both in Boston and they were like like fanatically anti-trump and it's exactly the opposite of anybody would think and it was always always the same thing is is that if you look at these anti-immigrant websites right I think you've talked about this before like V. Dare they raises. They're all like non-americans. It's like Ron started by Peterborough's British. John Derbyshire's British all these others like half these tons of the alt-right types of Canadians. Yeah it's very very strange and and you know this was always the drawbridge thing. It's like all right well. I should be the last immigrants. pull up the drawbridge. We've got here legitimately and these people are taking from you you find that when I did a story in Sweden and I found a lot of people were voting for Sweden. Democrats who were immigrants from probably about ten years ago now. A lot of them are Iraqi. Christians came at the beginning of the backward ten fifteen years ago and really didn't want like refugees from Afghanistan. They found them very very different and we tend to lump them all in this. All immigrants now like each other not at all. I mean Lebanese Christians whereas well that's that's that's yeah. Janine Pirro is one of those Mike lebanese-american yes. Oh along Piero is her ex husband's last name along with Casey Kasem also Jamie Farr Dick Dale Qatar player brings up a half half Lebanese Sicilians Harry Harry. Please anything of very hairy. If you're if view are a spokesman for the Lebanese American antidiscrimination these director and mail to Anthony Fish Sicilian which I'm partially Sicilian so that's fucking ginger is literally only injuries. Are Li like a town through Irish workers. People won't pub the transition to a transition. No let's talk about the Donald Trump thing. We've got a bizarre situation or not so bizarre because this is the trump administration Asian and this has been going on for some time and this is kind of what you would expect involving the president on a phone call with the newly elected president of Ukraine uh-huh questions swirling around the president and whether or not he is using his position to perhaps benefit himself perhaps denigrate great one of his opponents by directing the president of Ukraine to dig up some dirt on vice president former vice president and now presidential nominee candidate Joe Biden who at some point in the past has said Sad as admitted publicly on that he helped a pressure on the Ukrainians to get rid of someone who was involved in some investigations who himself had some nasty allegations swirling around him and apparently by almost every reputable report. I've seen a very bad dude but who at the time happen to be investigating his son Hunter Biden Hunter Biden who is a member of the Biden clan along with his his uncle Joe's brother and his other brother who's passed away all of whom have been involved in the family business in some way shape or form arm which the family business appears to be being somewhat tangentially related to Joe Biden and either obtaining some elected office or enriching yourself financially really by dealing with various people in different businesses and there were questions about hunter because he had a job working for for a obtained a job working for a Ukrainian oil producing company working as rather fancy words what he was doing working for. I guess consultants in the but consult again in his capacity as son of Joe Biden Karen Chapter. Maybe as enjoyer. It's not clear what his role there was any expertise so what is clear is that there was some scandal there and some questionable conduct there at that particular firm and the closeness of the relationship there necessarily created some questions so much so that this was reported in the New York Times which obviously is not explicitly conservative sort of scandal rag back so for them to be covering it suggests that there are real questions there and for some time now I I gave a big setup for some time now the president along with Rudy Giuliani Ed who is now his principal legal pit bull and his chief defender in the national news media have been talking up the prospect of there being some insidious scandal related to Joe Biden and the way that his family has seemingly enrich themselves in different ways either in their dealings with China or their dealings with Ukraine and the president has said publicly and apparently privately that Joe Biden should be investigated and on this phone call. Apparently he said the same thing. This came to light because a whistle blower. I'm sent an official complaint and now are we find ourselves in the midst of very very intense scrutiny from the Congress and the Senate in particular but also the house mostly Democrats who are saying that we are definitely going to open an impeachable investigation. Some Republicans and some Republicans are also there as well and I will say this guy's a into open it up to get away from the setup that perhaps is a little boring because at this point most of you know this stuff. I think you do does seem to me like pretty dodgy. It's dodgy. President of the United States is talking to one of his counterparts. Another national leader who who is suspending these funds two days before they get on the phone. I want to hear the call a- because from reading this kind of truncated Celeski is like this. Is this this kind of consider this. Those are the notes from the White House landed pro. White House transcript Johnny because he's like yeah. I WANNA call you and congratulate you on the election these like it. You know there are parliamentary elections. It's not already called me when I won the presidency. Remembers Lansky is a funny guy is a comedian and had a show and the show was about becoming a comedian becoming president and then he replicated it in real life which quite cool but the first thing that is being lost in this is the unbelievable scumbag array of one hundred. I don't believe he did anything illegal. As far as I I can tell haven't seen any evidence of that but for five years he sat on the Board of Ukrainian oil company having no expertise in oil or Ukraine we know and you know this is recruiting oil companies by quite quite important when you look at Russia which controlling oil flowing westwards in turn spigot and make things very difficult for western Europe. I mean that's a very important position for oil company so to note when Biden was on the two thousand fourteen fourteen thousand nine hundred and at the time prior to yes so this is a very bad thing to and it is fifty fifty thousand dollars a month upwards of which means it's probably about that so if you do the math on that that's the three million dollars position for doing nothing money in so donald trump and I think the only thing I can remember saying positive about anything on his campaign platform was this idea of banning people from from from going from government service into lobbying because there are people that basically do this and go make contacts for two years in Congress and then create these like really shady lobbying firms terms. You know look do whatever they want. I know that that's probably not a smart idea from doing that. I like the instinct of it because I hate those people so much. I think they're disgusting gusting and there's so many of them in DC. It's just full of vultures. Cuza Blanca vultures vultures everywhere and that's in Biden is one of those I mean if somebody offered me that position position I would probably take it and but I I would immediately assume oh my father's vice president. It was currently his vice president. Maybe they want on something from me. When you talk to my dad about like like like try to earn your money right try to so onto ends. This is what it seems to me to on both ends of this. It seems like people scratching a lottery ticket right the Democrats in Congress as a keep on waiting for that silver bullet for impeachment. Whatever it's GonNa be it's go? This is going to be on this is going to be and it's like no. It's better to get a job and work to earn money than to just keep on buying lottery tickets and scratching them away and hoping to become a millionaire because it's going to backfire and it has been backfiring so far and on the other end that is the same thing as trump. I mean there is no evidence. Prosecutor was fired because of in you know any investigation and right under Biden and it seems that around this time he was fired. Any investigation into the oil company was dormant but that doesn't seem to matter to anyone but it's like everyone's everyone's trying like I'm GonNa get Biden on. This and it's like I'll tell you what the the thing about Watergate. That was interesting. The actual machinations of Watergate people still don't understand it takes a while to get what was going on. You know the operation gemstone the plumbers and John Mitchell being thrown in jail Alan. You know all these Cubans and it's a complicated story. The only thing that really resonated there Ben Sasse is not exactly what Barry Goldwater was. He was one of the first people people to walk over to the White House in Nineteen seventy four and say Mr President. You have a big problem. You have to get the fuck Outta here there. There's some rumblings on the right. This is a very bad luck but of course the what will happen. I think if I if this does go somewhere dark in somewhere 'cause like any day. We're in the middle is any day something eh bad can happen. Something worse can happen more information. Come out. It's usually drip drip drip. That's the most effective politics but look lying about about this stuff in and again. This is what people don't realize did a Nixon. Any young persons reasonably well informed but not a political junkie. They'll say like Nixon broke into the next office in the cover ups was in the crime and if they're trying to take this document in put it from one where it's supposed to be due to a secure server and look here conservatives that they're saying well you know the President has supreme power to classify yeah but when you're actively taking something and moving it's the actual gesture of saying. We don't want to make sure that people cannot see this that even even still. I believe there are still questions about that. That's not that was true. Procedure for the White House now has multiple times now had transcripts of calls or details of calls with other foreign leaders so they perhaps have taken steps to generally now classified these conversations. I don't know if that's the case. Here's a question for someone someone in the is for someone who was in the know. Oh and heard that conversation to hear it and say you. I wish you hadn't said that for them to classify that call afterwards I totally believe it and for the president someone around him him to say hey you know what we'll do. We'll totally put their money on the on the side and will mention it to them more than a little casually that that we would like for them to take a look. This biden thing that Giuliani and bar are going to be giving you a call. GonNa put you in touch talk to them. I totally believe it well by report and so I sort of extemporaneous trump well. That's the thing trump of course this is trump's razor right. This is the thing is that if you're going to do something like that. Don't have twenty people pulling the room. They literally had twenty seven writing down all the things saying literally twenty people I mean you can do back channel if you need to but there's a trump's razor thing is that the guy is so dumb in so reckless that what one would presume there would be some tradecraft here right in some op sack right right that you you don't get that with him because he's a doddering old fool. soldering has been saying this for months the call problem no what he wants. The problem is not that it's quite clear that Ukrainians thought that's after an a quid pro quo way because we don't understand why I mean you can't talk about the story without talking about the fact that military aid was mysteriously held back why this is actually a question for people who were Russia conspiracy theories were giving military into Ukraine. okay we they were. I thought this was a criminal. Maybe it's enormous. You know misinformation campaign but that is the problem. That's the quid pro quo. I mean if I mean Napolitano's was on his created some sort of fight some internecine fight at Fox then there's between Shepard Smith and Tucker Carlson about this stuff because you know Napolitano's Palestinian saying like yeah he he did something illegal. If there's a quid pro quo there if not you know that's illegal right and you know impeachable but we don't know that yet so it's a wait-and-see thing but either way it's your job in a way as a as a president to not consistently get yourself. I mean it's unbelievable unbelievable the transit you hear that call. It's it's like he's such a dunce. Yeah in this stuff is inevitably going to happen doesn't mean it it was it's now months that caused July. It's months after the report has come out and Mrs how he's talking Rhino. He knows everybody's looking for any excuse to reboot conspiracy you you mentioned the Miller report though the very first thing president mentions is the crowd strike roofing which is actually it's. It's difficult to understand what the hell he's talking walking out but he seems to be suggesting that there seems to be invoking. This crowd strike related conspiracy theory that the some some rich shadowy Ukrainian owns crowd strike. None has the Hillary Clinton. DNC get curry's. It's insane. It's what is wrong with you one. It's I know I'm surprised Sherbourne nearly nearly three years later and he's bringing this up in a brief conversation. Short is the first thing when he says I could. You do me a favor those those either yeah. Can you find the by the way what does this tell you about. Donald trump it. Actually it's so funny. If you go back to early episodes of the show now we're probably debating the four chests and so there was never much of a debate debate on but they're still out there. People think that the people that Americans magazine or something but the thing is really funny about it. Is this guy think he's doing this build a wall aw or or get the emails rally people up and it reminds me of that old really old. Phil Hartmann sketch where he's Reagan. He's talking to the young kids interesting well kids and then they leave. He's screaming like being a psychopath kind of trump and it's like this is a conversation that no no one was supposed to here yeah and he still that guy. He's still that dummy. He's always the same. He's always the same and I look if that's going to be that that brings them down. I mean you know this is like having a complete conversation about Watergate two days after the story broke in the Washington Post because their books coming out now they're still fairly enlightening about what happened to our yeah so do I think it's that scale know who knows it could be but I it doesn't seem to be now but it's it's everything is going to come in everyone to calm down and stop scratching their lottery tickets and get rid of a president or get rid of a contender with this one. I have one question you guys I'm. I'm kind of stunned at how fast this happened like considering us. This story has developed yeah that we've gone from this call near the revelation of this call to impeachment inquiry very like it's it's been less than a week and even though muller lasted two and a half years but look the the you know. I had a conversation with a Nancy Z places daughter. I think I talked about it here. When she bit my head off and like your vote no on the really mean one she who who he's like. I said look you know in these these people saying you know get on board with impeachment and she like like launched into me and it's like we're doing doing this deliberately and say we're not. GonNa Waste of and she also denied that this was actually a thing that doesn't actually scandal so essentially now is that you know you have been waiting and like okay. Can we drop this on Nancy. Can we drop this on Nancy this push and like is this going to be the one and you know vase out in that room a couple of days ago and said we're. GonNa announce something at four o'clock or five o'clock and everyone is reporting that before they even had reliable information that that was what she was going to do because everybody knew that it just took one more thing to push sure because there's I mean they have a majority in the house. Now that are in favor of this. It's not it's not a small number. There's one thing well two things I going around the table and I I'm cheating because I know I've done this already. Does anyone think right now today. This is what contemporary twenty-sixth sure. You wanted to put. PM that's fine Do you think this is the thing that finally destroys the trump administration ministration given what we know today. I mean if I fire up the DRUDGE report. I'm sure there are blaring about how Dr seems to not be on the side of trump but not as far as I can for some time now is the question will he be impeached and go to trial will be removed from office. Will he be impeached and removed from from office because that's the outcome may be impeached. I don't think he will be removed from I agree and I think that because he won't leave because it doesn't happen often. I mean how many conversations we have about the stuff and all these thin reads at their remember that like that frank four piece about a server in like Russian. DNS things and it's forty two this bag and it was like no. It's not and people are not you misunderstanding. There's a lot of thin read like that. It's like it doesn't take much that precipitated a three year investigation more or less yeah and you know this stuff. Actually to my ear already sounds worse. Yeah I mean it already resounds words and like you just it seems instincts really that to do to go to a foreign leader comedian leaner by the way the reality show host talking to a comedian by the way this is where we are and I know a lot of Libertarians. We don't need these professional now. Mike and Indices professional politics this is not an I know hunting below the belt the the comedian speaks far more eloquent English of course than the American african-born president. That's true of ninety eight percent of European leaders was the exception to friends Ron. Who's always going to be a jerk Lingua Franca Dude stop denying reality. It's us the one the ones that I find particularly in manual details details. This that I find particularly interesting then we can move away from this is one when you mentioned a moment ago that at the end of the day this scandal could I think you said this that the scandal could turn out to be worse for Joe. Biden which very well could be could because for the past several days the president has been laying out all of the charges against Joe Biden his allegations on the global stage again for everyone to hear and everyone is listening with rapt attention in some way shape or form to him alluding to Joe Biden memed all involved in some sort of corruption with the Chinese and with Ukrainians and I don't know he's getting it's it's the charges are getting a hearing low low info voters. All they're going to hear isn't that Biden and hunter. Biden are up to no good. Clinton cash yeah exactly and there's no one doing this. I I think they're like Biden is going to have to wear this for the rest whether it's fair or not. He's GonNa have to wear this for the rest of the time. He's a candidate. Yes that's. That's just how it works. trump's got the bully. The pulpit Hunter Biden's stuff is at least questionable enough to be a little stinky and which that's the other thing donald trump junior who would work for some Ukrainian outfit probably like but can't billing while the president was in office. I mean we've had a lot of conversations nationally about the fact that the trump organization is like secret services staying trump properties and he's enriching himself in that particular way because of all of his various this business entanglements these are legitimate concerns but that was going on during the Obama Administration and quite frankly. I just don't know that most voters were aware of it or paid very the tension and there's something about the particular brand of hair-splitting controversies that instead of the president some hair-splitting some some just ridiculous absurd over the top controversies but when Joe Biden says for example a never talked to my son about his dealings in Ukraine and and his son says in a reported piece will yeah. I talked to my dad about it and he said to me. I hope you know what you're doing at a minimum. This is that humidity that's putting enough these but that's the point that would be enough these days to say the president lied. Sure sure I mean well. I don't think anyone cares that the president is it an lies because he lives with such frequency that I'd barely notice in. We forget these things that were would have been major scandals twenty years ago a day later but you you know into correct something on Anthony. It was after the revolution actually that he joined the board that he was not he was not a stooge of the pro Russian Olga side so it's a fact check after but the the thing about it is that there were people within the Obama Administration that raised raised concerns about Joe Biden's. It's right influence on Ukraine policy and there I mean there are justified in saying so and that is a scandal in the sense that your son while you're president a major a major Fisher has you you know opened in particularly in Russia relations with the United States. We were going to fund the rebels leader. Don Bosco etc.. Everything's going crazy at the time and and you're going to join a board of an oil and Gas Company and Ukraine at an enormous dollar. I would still object to it or say that something smells. Dell's not right if he did it on a basis of pro bono. He's like I'm GonNa do it right now if thiessen energy and if you had expertise of manjeet maybe I'd still be like. Wow your dad setting policy here yeah so probably not and not just kind of setting policy he was he was thinking of administration and and look this is. I mean we have a crowd of people of a particular vintage younger people. I work with. Don't remember but flooding the streets saying you know no blood for oil. Now that was particularly about you know voluntary unnecessary sairy offensive aggressive war yes slightly different but that said is that there is a war roiling in Ukraine in somebody is benefiting from that within the administration via oil. I mean that's kind of what you're talking about right and when the no blood for oil happened in Iraq the American welcome he's been getting his contracts and you know if the Iraqi those companies in Iraq if they were not hoping for a war they just were hoping the sanctions is to be lifted if you wanted to bend for the oil companies would have taken the stroke of a pen to get rid of those sanctions right so that was always kind of mistaken this idea of war for oil in this case there is a war going on. It's not the one where directly involved in but you have some of the president sitting on the Board Guy Vice President sitting on the boat. You really get mad at that fact. Check thanks. I appreciate stroke yeah. Oh you don't I mean this is this is not blood or war for oil but it's it's just doesn't it doesn't sit well so but but to be but to be clear. The scandal at this point is not a Joe Biden. The targets of virtually everyone are squarely on the president of the United States and we we'll see if Teflon don managed to get out of this one Greta we should talk about Greta Thumb Burg. You know how to pronounce do this we do this. We never turn Berry Berry B. E. R. G. and Swedish Burg. It's yeah it's pronounced like it's fruit like like you're getting a various yeah. This is the young lady who is the UN this asking for it and she and she brought the heat the JEREMIADS that she a leveled not not merely at the audience that was present there but everyone in the world saying explicitly that if we don't do something immediately they will never forget us and I imagine she was talking to me directly she won't we we will never forgive you. which I'm fine fine with that? I do spend most of my time trying to please sixty speeds for different. The reason I was yeah but you know the thing that to talk about here I think is not even the content of what she said. Which I think is in some ways completely bonkers because you know it is I mean to to talk so blithely about growth and like you achieve what growth is done. Who for so many people and lifting poverty and allowing them to live you? It's world and not to die in this world. Yes something that is worth pointing out in particularly. It's somebody from Sweden. You don't get to say who cares about gross right because you live in a very wealthy Sweden but the hard thing about this for me is just the way we're all being set up is there's a video online made by Australian the public broadcaster in Australia. It's like it's like a funny funny video and if video for podcasts could see me during the air quotes funny video and it's like a helpline for people who are like got down by Greta Conservatives for example you know I don't count myself a conservative. I'm not freaked out by her. I think think I'm sad by the whole thing to be honest. I mean when I see a sixteen year old girl crying like that and a puck elliptic in a way that I personally who cares about this stuff and reads about the science and absolutely believes in the mainstream opinion on the that I don't believe believe that that reactions justified but you're allowed to have that destroyed my future yeah I. It's really but if you want that you don't have have a visceral reaction that is not clapping. I it's the right reaction have because what are we supposed to completely handcuffed because this debate bait now is going to be run in the public sphere by this admittedly very very bright sixteen year old Swedish girl and if if you disagree with her we're GonNa make fun videos about how you're a jerk and a conservative because you're like freaking out about. It's like no not I mean. Maybe some people to who I don't know there's always a Laura Ingram. That can be the exception. We're up people for chorus and of course but you know we're not we're not. I don't think there are many of them to to be honest but you know we always lead with the one guy who made a covenant. INSTAGRAM is is the world but it is cynical in the sense that you put a fifteen fifteen sixteen year old girl out there who cannot possibly think of yourself and your fifteen sixteen even if you're I mean she has autism and she's suffers from depression and eating disorder tough tough parents are well-known in Sweden by her mother is a Eurovision Eurovision Song contest women and father. I think as an actor in a life of relative privilege but you know putting your daughter out there Eric because you are doing that she is not I mean I it's like when people say kids shouldn't be eating at McDonald's. Is Kids have money. You're giving them money. You're allowing them to do it unless they have jobs. That's when they you know what I'm saying. It's like this is the point at which this is a path that if I chose myself at sixteen my parents earns wouldn't limited. She was particularly if I had the issues that she's she's talked very openly and I think you know very honestly about but I think it's a real trick in a way that if you want who engage her on the debates and if you can say that the that is I mean hysteria in the sense that if there was somebody on television on CNN and who was nearly in tears about this subject jabbing their finger in the air and saying that other people were destroying their future. You would get a pretty ferocious responded imagining older if she was totally totally but imagine that back and forth television if that happens right there's going to be capable. This is made for but now you guys sit on your hands. She's sixteen but you're putting her out here. In now. It's the rig debate where I can't say anything and and also I don't disagree with her. I think she's way too apocalyptic. I don't agree with her. In the sense that I think this is a very important issue very very important issue and I think there's a lot of people people particularly on the right who have been blythe about it and stupidly dismissed it and a lot of people have come around and Matt Welsh colleague and my old friend rooms in in a long time but a great Guy Ron Bailey wrote a book called Eko scam about how this doesn't end came around and said look I was wrong. I was running the data's clearer now and and I think I was wrong but there was a previous record of people being a little over the top about this stuff so I took the side of being. I'M NOT GONNA put words in runs but he's very smart about it. He wasn't a jerk about it. He wasn't being being disingenuous. He wasn't being paid by some lobby and you know I do think there's he probably differs quite quite strongly with that sixteen year old girl era and he has a deep well of knowledge in this stuff and it's not he can't debate her right. Let's say that her parents are handlers allowed that. What would that debate look line. She's all passion and not she has. She knows you know two degrees three hundred years and we have to reduce that by okay but actual actual shoot wipe the floor with him well Ron. If you're listening that was true but you know or like Matt Ridley or these guys who are are you. I think batteries probably more skeptical than somebody like Ron Ben Shapiro who'd generally doesn't debate people over the twenty all have anybody debate her uh-huh and you would people be uncomfortable with that so what is the purpose she's out there to be. I mean look when people said it looks slightly. Messianic I didn't I didn't I didn't disagree with them because it was. It was jarring thing to watch to point out that it was a jarring thing to watch in. You have to wonder like because what you do. Is You put yourself yourself in that position but I let my daughter that my parents have let me do that. In the answer I think in both cases and maybe it's just me is uniformly no so I don't know I just I mean yeah. I don't WanNA criticize is a sixteen year old but it's kind of like Chinese finger cuffs and I'd like to criticize or media coverage about her Asian Finger Cups. I don't know they fired from no one particular story that happened after her speech which I'm sure you all saw which was her giving the death stare air to trump when trump walked pastor now I actually refused to allow that story to run our site because as you said she she has been quite open about the fact that she has severe asperger's depression and a host of other you know physiological maladies and those things things kind of affect the way you look and hard stares hard. Unbroken stairs are interesting exactly so the because there was a literally two point three second can video of her squinting as trump walks past her and that's it. They don't make eye contact. people were literally like Sleigh Greta. You Stare Daggers. Here's at the end the evil trump and again you know at this is no judgment on her or trump around like that but the media coverage of it which was in so many mainstream in publications I found just viscerally distasteful and as I founded like forget about the fact that it's kind of thumbing the scales on the merits of the arguments arguments exploitive missed that she's a she's a child all right by any metric. She's a child. She's a child with mental illnesses that she is struggling with and everybody everybody is projecting these ideas upon her and I just thought that was gross. I think it is gross and by the way this is. It's not about her but this is this is GonNa get you know. This is gonNA limb here I. I have a friends in Sweden who I as we. We have a lot of questions. The way we look at the map is always mentioned it for I love it because you know separated by my my sweet ties is that that is that you know all the speaking countries and then the fifth is always is always the fifth is always Sweden but there's a there's a word for for it and I have to remember it. I can't remember but essentially this is the malady in Sweden of people who have anxieties because of the climate change and join oh you know and we had a friend who suffered from that and was really panicking all the time wouldn't travel abroad on planes and it was just really affected by it and and it was you know in her mind it was very had a really bad effect on our life and this is a true story and you can talk to our mutual friend who who who knows this person very well very well and they went to school together and I it is much more prominent the conversation and I think a lot of people tip. It's a good thing in Sweden and I think that I saw a bit of that in this in this conversation about her and I 'cause I saw there was something in New York magazine. I sent you guys the other day and it was a pull quote. Illegal quote in your magazine was from her picture of her very nice nicely. Shot Autograph is actually very good. I I don't want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic yeah. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. That's not that's not. That's not good. That's not good. I look we can solve these things and I think that there's scientists and I talked to one last pieces. I did for Vietnam. I was in at the client climate lab at. Mit and those guys were given scary projections but they didn't. They weren't hopeless they they were hopeful. It's right and that's why we have these. Peres meetings and that's why all these scientists are working hard to say. Don't want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic MHM. I don't want you to be hopeful. What if everyone adopted that message. That'd be a pretty bad thing for everyone to feel yeah. I the only thing that I'll add is Sushi invoked one of my least favorite rhetorical devices and I'm actually reading a Lee. Can you know she's she's. She's sixteen she did but I'm reading Lisa. mullins very very good book. Einstein's unfinished revolution about the deficiencies of the prevailing prevailing scientific resented Yay yeah scientific wisdom about a quantum mechanics and he at one point in the introduction of the book in go to the book uses the same device which is to say he says climate change shouldn't be a political issue. We shouldn't be talking about money and the hard choices choices and trade offs with this issue. It's not about politics we just have to do the right thing and and this is this is just it's a bad argument argument. It's necessary necessarily a political issue. There are necessarily trade offs that have to be considered money is always going to be a consideration and a concern because there are things that one has to give up. If in fact you're making sacrifices with respect to greenhouse gases greenhouse has gas emissions or something else because it does have a material impact on people's quality of life or their jobs. You saw Tom Yours radio airing that say Thom Yorke radiohead who's a big climate campaigner said in by the way good on him because he said you know I'm a hypocrite. I fly over my job. I tore the world and I talk about this stuff and I'm actually hypocrite and does it make anything better. People like in here the Iras but you know it's one step in the right direction when people actually acknowledge it it I mean Leonardo DiCaprio's never acknowledged that he and all his buddies are taking their own lear jets to climate summit. I mean it's kind of silly and you realize this Kinda pose at that point. Al Gore's sewing his network to the Kingdom of Qatar. That was a really strange one that was a really good one because when I did that probably the most boring and if your dog Gore swear that and he actually he background research on me and he's like so you lived in Sweden. I'm like what the Secret Service but you know he's like oh I made my house this that and the other carbon neutral zone you know but then and again don't sell current to a half a billion dollars to the Qataris anyway. So what else have we left on the table. Oh I recall vaping can you can you talk to us about the latest. related to this because you actually have a stake in this particular fight yeah well. I ah the only thing I'll say is that it's it's nice not the only thing else that's absolute bullshit just one thing just one yeah and then like the listeners come back after taking a shower our in Turkey. I might have to by the way right a lot of people. We're GONNA have to particularly Massachusetts where the governor signed. It has been a challenge legally now the Republican Republican governor again yeah well. It's the same thing in in trump and trump's. FDA is out to lunch on this stuff and they're banning. All vaping products for four months right is is that is it is it all all baby products not everything for four months Charlie Baker and figuring out there you're sitting on Wednesday going doing vaping to Charlie. I can get my funding yeah so so the mango yeah so banning all those products. A couple of things about this is that the first thing is that this is. It's probably the biggest case of media malpractice that I've seen in a very long time. It's almost like it's coordinated. These people cannot be this stupid but it is a great case study in how lazy the media's I have worked in the media. I've seen the way these stories get pumped out by twenty two year old kids who read other headlines and regurgitate the stuff vaping this vaping that the Jewish Jill who has not been tied to anyone going to a hospital anywhere. Ask yourself a question. Nobody is ask question. This is killing people right. You've heard it is killing people into all these shops that are selling legal products now have to go to business going out of business in New York because we'll get to that stupid law and in Massachusetts and other other places California's Ashington Michigan. Why wouldn't you think that the. FDA would tell you the the name of the product that they believe might be killing people. We don't know for sure but here. This person died. They found in their room could have been these. Why haven't haven't they done that because none of these are brand fucking names these are things that people are getting off the street. They're like homebrew stuff. Jewel is not killing. Any ban is literally like the health version of trump's. We need a Muslim ban until we figure out what's going on yeah. It's exactly right. It's very good comparison. This is the vaping Muslim ban yeah yeah yeah. It's funny because Anthony supports both it's but it is crazy. People say like the effects of this are so so far and wide is that it has nobody believes and I don't know why they're study after study that proved that this is not the case and there's it's like a few old studies that suggested that people don't quit smoking or they're dual. Use is what they say. Oh there's one that's fucking bullshit. I know I know nobody who who do uses quote unquote. I know a ton of literally dozens and dozens of people who quit smoking on this I quit smoking because of it and if I cannot not get it in New York. I will buy cigarettes because I'm not ready to not have nicotine right now and we're not all him. Sorry combined all of them. Everyone that's attributed to vaping is not even in four figures yet right know God gave. I think we're in three if the most generous I didn't see it that high but it's my case. That's the point cancer from cigarettes. How how many how many I send us. I said this is the show for the most dangerous consumer product on the market is still legal Goku. You can still sell it like well. We ban flavors. My favorite one is somebody in Congress and saying you know because the kids were getting flavor. That's not a real thing. When I I was a kid. I was smoking Marlboros. Nicotine feels good. Yes this isn't there and it's so funny like Oh. We got the kids off of cigarettes and now these came in if it wasn't for these kids would not be doing anything bad. What were they they. They born fucking forty years old this I mean I I absolutely insane. It's dangerous do the this is one of the times and I try not to use these kind of phrases too much these days but this is the kind of time mm-hmm when bipartisanship should scare the shit out of exactly exactly right intimating so we we have friends that we will not name definitely not name who who told us one time that he had interviewed Reshi Tube and said that this is not a very high guy instead. She's not particularly. I watched her congressional. Mao Wing of a witness where she tried to establish the witnesses politics and the witness said I don't believe that to be relevant actually quite smart and she's very poisoning EPA cool. She kept a cool and it was a and if you haven't watched this is so bazaar that these are the people not only that our elected officials but these are the ones who are being celebrated routinely as we should leave in the squad and the rest of it and it it was so bad at one point. She said I mean this is a blithering idiot from a state that is doing things banning. You know flavored e cigarette the she said that second hand smoke was quote worse than directly smoking cigarettes. She said that there was science. She said there was scientific proof a- ask and she nearly started to cry while she was telling me she she got emotional and just before she says I'm so sad. Just have this job in my brain is failing me just before that she accused the witness that she was you know hectoring winking and being a conspiracy theorist out of nowhere as we're based on on no testimony and then because the witness apparently winked at somebody on the committee because he knows your who she knows and so invited explain vitamin yeah like to could not help the Belabor the issue for more than a minute like why are you winking. What is that about. What's going on here is there? I mean it is so ludicrous. The claims names that they make in the Clemson can get away with because you know like Jacob sounds book for your own good. Is it provided they're doing for the kids. It's no coincidence that the major organization was the tobacco free kids. They care about the kids. That's what they're always interested in because the kids are vaping and the kids weren't vaping before and it's gone up up from twenty one percent to twenty eight percent of kids tried it you know these are studies and now all of a sudden they seize upon people dying from THC. You know like bad vitamin. E. Oils is what the theory is right now we don't know and they seize on that and they say oh my. God now we can strike the death blow because we haven't been able to before I interviewed a guy named Stan glance who is by the way who is a anti vaping antismoking activist and he he acknowledged to me. He said the best if everybody he was crazy I disagree with everything but he said if everybody on earth smoke cigarettes switch to vaping we would save millions of lives lives. He acknowledged that that that's clearly and then you have to leave saying that we're all going to die from smoking jewels and won't why can't we save the kids. Secondhand smoke is more dangerous than smoking a cigarette. That's I mean there was debate along time ago of whether the secondhand smoke was actually the same even had an effect remember Steven Brill. We're seeing umbrella of course started court. TV and Brill's Brill's content. He writes content like saying the myth of seconds. Yeah I mean it is bizarre and as I said before is that it is honestly like saying we have to ban Coca Cola products because one hundred people drank bleach died well. They're both drinking so we have to ban things that you drink. No no Rothman has been a guest on the show aping not all the saying no Rothman has been a guest on this show very smart guy. I thought wrote a very eloquent article commentary a couple of weeks ago where he described this as having all the hallmarks of immoral it is immoral told me that advice because nicotine's a drug people feel good over there must be some you know puppet master nefarious force that is you you know fooling us all into taking this poison that will kill us all and it's only the the week people the people that need their drug that are going to endanger the rest of us thought it was very incisive point. You make those weird hand motions around your nose when you say nefarious force. It makes me think that you're being anti Semitic I just wanted to. I didn't even know that my hands were near My. I bet you bet your Isreaeli wife. FYI None of us talk with our for for those of you out there who are going to get into the conspiracy and clean it. I I was making a Hook Moshi. That's what you're doing. That's wrong. That's wrong but thank you this guy. Yeah cool. We're against writer right in your on the in your face. Fisher got anything else. I mean we did there. was there was one that. I think think we we should hit. which was the the the tweet tweet dumpster diving? If you don't mind I'll T- this up do because there were two instances this this particular week where intrepid journalists decided that people's old tweets tweets were the most important thing to research and write about in one case case that you flagged for me Breitbart Writer Harris Alec. I believe is how you pronounce the name. I don't know didn't respond to my. DM's doesn't lose their he he went. After Jasmine Hughes New York Times magazine editor WHO's also been invited on the show to discuss her work on the sixteen nineteen project but apparently she had some old tweets that some flirted with anti-semitism many were overtly anti white but that's not really racist. I mean some some didn't even flirt with antisemitism. Really I mean who is Beth Israel and how does she have so many hospitals. Dell's just think it's a ticket. That's a stupid horrible semantic. That's what I'm saying. It's not it's not I thought you we're going the other way. Really stupid jokes ridiculous ever Noah had worst tweets. I will quote Seinfeld defense he was. Did you know what offends me as a comedian that was Bryan Cranston. I believe was the Bryan Cranston is bad jobs. Thanks I converted to Judaism jokes great. It goes up as a so the other one. Though is the moines register who I I mean I can barely impact this thing but there was some guy some random guy who held a sign at a football all game asking people to donate money for them and then he got a lot of Bush light beer money whenever he became a viral thing I missed the whole thing uh-huh but don't shake duck exactly milkshake duck as the register found as they called it. They called it a routine background check. They found that when he let see working for the fucking. MTA seven twenty-three seven years ago when he was a sixteen year old high school student he made some bad racist antisemitic jokes and to call all of them bad racist entity message and he's jokes is is to like imply that he has you know dark dark hearted motivation immediately apologize post posting idiot sixty and so so the Des Moines Register Anthony sixteen-year-old Daniel what you're GonNa Criticize Greta foreign lorry the thornbirds not and not Grizz Grizz tweet history when she was nine seven yeah. I know the registered. This kid was telling me what to what what we should do about how much I fly more anger at the Bush Light Beer Guy Yeah Bush slight Bush's like pretty much water as it is so the one registered released a ver the executive editor released very long statement defending why hey they thought that this was newsworthy. They are now apparently under police protection because of the the backlash and the threats against them so I don't really have a judgment on that just pointing out that this is like a tale of two dumpster diving tweet investigations and they both are coming coming from completely different motivations but they both the the the actions are still the same the the actions are the the intent is to find people's ephemeral social media mind brain farts and destroy their lives because of it well. The thing is is the reason it works. We've shown over and over and over again that works and there's a new trend that I've seen amongst writers somebody did this and and the new Republicans haven't read the piece yet but I'm sure you know this guy to be quite William F. Buckley than this but I is as pyromaniac. GonNa feel this drama but yeah it seems to me that from what I've seen the PRECIS of his visit and republic that canceled culture is a myth big thing now in this is always is the stage of this sort of thing because I think you look in. If you look at Amazon I find it. I could probably find now. There was a book and ninety four ninety. Three in the first grade is like a punic punic. Wars is the first political correct wars on campus. There was a book called the myth of political correctness about you know the whole premise was that political correctness didn't even exist. It wasn't even a real thing invention. Eric Alterman did something that he did a myth a liberal media th th this is a myth of political correctness it all this stuff. It was hyperventilating. hyperventilating from Danish dislike conservatives who first major book was actually about that about like it's called something. Illiberal Education I think the myth of political correctness the conservative attack Engine Higher Education Junkie Wilson Ninety five ninety five there you go. You're off but yeah. There's so there's always this thing happens always when it happens at rather than engaging these things you make fun of people for even bringing it up and like. Oh you're one of those conspiracy theories you create the conspiracy theory by naming it despite the fact you're not specific about it. You're saying all these people conspiracy theories about no one's being cancer living their lives and you know there are many the answer to this and depends on the case but we're now in the stage of saying that it isn't real the what what you see in front of your face is not real uh-huh. You're going to believe me realize and that's kind of where we are at the stage of like cancelled culture so just because by the way just big and the thin reads it all hangs on is that somebody somebody who wasn't canceled is severely criticized or something is also the same thing with other people say like. I hate that phrase but for lack of a better phrase say. Pc People say oh. It's it's just being polite. No it isn't in don't pretend that it is right and I always was offended when I was in college in Northampton. Massachusetts always always the bumper sticker. Feminism is the radical idea that women are equal well. No it's actually not there's a lot more. I mean that Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon don't begin to be covered by that bumper. I Acre nor is political correctness. Just being polite nor now is cancelled culture only merely people just being called out in having the consequences being in sort of heaped upon them for their words and their actions that is not the case and that and I'm sorry to say that that I think it's a lot of obfuscation just one point on the the new republic piece that you referenced Michael I find. It interesting that Sarah Silverman who I always thought was absolutely brilliant transgressive comedian for forever for very long time for good twenty years. I remember discovering her on the Larry. Sanders show like twenty five years ago and I remember her Joe Franklin Joke Yeah Yeah. It was a machine. She she literally at the end of the aristocrats. Is You know she's play-acting she because the aristocrats is the whole point of the joke of the aristocrats is that's a long Improv joke. That's supposed to be the most horribly offensive and anything goes I. It's a joke that comedians told to each other after hours and that's why was great so Penn Jillette and Paul Travolta made a documentary about it talking to a wide swath unbelievable diverse group of comedians over many ears and so in in that documentary Sassaman does a tangent during the aristocrats where she says Joe Franklin the kind of goofy local New York New Yorkers now jar John Local TV local TV. I've maybe he need people around the country new. He's dead now but he was alive. At the time that Sarah Silverman made this joke in a movie that Joe Franklin gwen raped her date raped her after a like pretending to like mentor her and it was unbelievably outrageous totally false and in no one. I don't believe anyone the only person I remember saying something with Joe Franjo Join Franken. I was mad and I think like Pat Cooper. Somebody had to go like Joe Joe. It's it's just but Sarah I think around twenty sixteen I remember during like the DNC her giving an interview saying that you know the kids the the kids are always right and I'm not gonNa make these kind of jokes anymore. I'm not GonNa make jokes about you know rape or the Holocaust AIDS basically all the things that made her rich and famous and now after having seen several of her friends cancelled for whatever reason maybe some diverting Clinton getting counselor so yeah well she did. She did get cancelled herself from a movie but even a couple of months before that she was starting to hint at. I think this is going too far and she's cited in that new republic piece by the writer of his name. I can't recall as as somebody who just doesn't get it. Just the Sarah Silverman doesn't get it so I mean it. It's it's it's it's indicative of like even when you'd like dip your toe in the idea of I'm just GonNa let the you know. The inmates run the asylum island. It's never really enough. The kids are always right. That should be like the inscription on the next release of the Little Red Book. I mean the kids are alright. Yeah thank you for that. Can you slow down to that little kind of put it down on a I gear and you're like Little Red Book Joke and then you just going to get you close your laptop close it. You're fucking done. I mean we're done no listen. You've got a flight early early in the morning. Show right o'clock in the morning got. I've been going to Miami so there's anybody listen. This FARNESE ARN is in Miami hit me up. You'll be in south beach. I might stop by Ko DJ. Can you tell us make rain yeah yeah. Ah Yeah I mean first and second Julius going down. Okay bye bye. We know a new pack aw.