17 Burst results for "Peter Beinart"

"peter beinart" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

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01:47 min | 10 months ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

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"peter beinart" Discussed on 1170 The Answer

1170 The Answer

01:54 min | 2 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on 1170 The Answer

"They'd become the party of high taxes open borders, late term abortion crime, which. And delusions. Now, the Democrats have even allowed the terrible school of anti-semitism to take root in their party and in their country. They have allowed that. They have a loud that House Democrats recently block legislation to confront the antisemitic movement to boycott and sanction Israel. Nobody could believe it. We'll get back to that point later on. But President Trump says the Democrats have become the party of open borders. I mentioned a few days ago. Very long powerful piece in the Atlantic written by a self-described liberal named Peter beinart. And he said look say what you want to say about President Trump. He is simply reiterating exactly what Democrats at one time used to say about illegal immigration that it was wrong that it was expensive that was unfair to people stood in line to do it legally that we need to do something about it. And now that President Trump has said it all of a sudden President Trump is perceived to be harsh and unfair on illegal immigration. He said we have done a one eighty on the issue, and he very in my opinion. Honestly, describe the why for votes, we've now decided it's more important for Hispanic votes. He said than the other people this is a self described liberal. We come back just in case, you thought judge Janine might pull her punch when she came back. She had something to say about Democrats in open borders. We'll have that for you. Also, this reminds you of what Democrats.

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"peter beinart" Discussed on 1170 The Answer

1170 The Answer

02:10 min | 2 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on 1170 The Answer

"Let me tell you. Why feel that the president's going to get reelected in two thousand twenty. From time to time you read a thoughtful intelligent piece written by lefty. Because sooner or later when they stereo dies down and Donald Trump has to actually run against another human being. Get reelected. I told you about it very thoughtful piece on how the Democrats have quote lost their way close. That's how the author put it. On the issue of immigration by guy named Peter beinart who writes for the left wing, the Atlantic very long piece, very thoughtful. And he talks about how Harry Reid Obama Chuck Schumer used to talk about immigration the way from talking about immigration not very long ago. And how is it? He says that the very same rhetoric now is called racist. And isn't there a problem with your legal immigration isn't very legitimate concern that people are coming here? Especially those without skills who put downward pressure on the wages and compete for the jobs of unskilled workers already here. This is what a self-described liberal said. And then there was a piece by that man named Frank. Also a self described liberal rooted in Vanity Fair. He's look I've been following this. I'm older investigation. And there's no there there as far as collusion and conspiracy coordination. I'm not seeing it. And I I gotta tell you, my fellow Democrats. There's nothing there, and you guys ought to be ready and prepared for a mother report. That's that's a big nothing burger. And then there's a NPR piece. That aired last year. And the headline is is Trump the toughest ever on Russia's, you know, the president's been saying that the New York Times reported that the FBI was so concerned that they investigated Donald Trump as possible as possible Russian agent. Here's what Trump said about that. I never worked for. No that answer better than anybody. I never worked for right? You. Did I never.

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

02:01 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"I mean, there is something to that. I just alternately feel like at the end of the day. I think are best allies are going to people who share liberal democratic values. We've had a in the last couple of minutes. We've had a lot of talk about political strategy for Jews. But also just think there's a more authentic in deeper question about actual Jewishness. And at this time when there is a an assault on Jews. I think being in touch with some things that make Jewishness strong and make it beautiful and make it enduring is important sort of separate from the political questions. Right. You were talking about how you don't want. Your children to only see Jewishness as defensive you want them to be in touch with sort of. What makes it what makes it remarkable? And you know, it's something that I feel too. And so whether or not it's good political strategy to be creating these sort of alliances with other folks, I think that there's something about what makes Jewish Nissen the long-term strong in that it's a kind of morally aspirational and admirable belief system. And I do think the degree to which that is held onto in this period. Is is going to be important. I think if that were lost something much more fundamental would be lost that would be a danger to Jewishness in the long run. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that one things I once heard rabbi read that I was particularly powerful in. This regard for me was this kind of question he raised about why? If you look at the arc of the Torah for spy Pusey, Hebrew bible, Abraham Isaac and Jacob already in the land of Israel right there where they need to be at the end. Right. So why then the question, do you think is massive detour right? At least a narrative the Jew. Have to Joseph s to get to slavery soldiers, slavery Egypt. The Jews have to be oppressed in Egypt hundreds years later, Moses arises, like why this massive detour. So this rabbi David Silber says well, it's because the tradition did not want knew that Jews. Eventually, we're going to go to the land of Israel, create sovereignty and land of Israel, eventually create king ships in the land of Israel, and they didn't want Jews to wheel that power without having tasted oppression..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

04:00 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"I think this is why some of the actions in Israel have been so so saddening to me. But why they've really just kind of like wreck my relationship with Israel, rather, my relationship with my Judaism was at some of the relationship developed Judaism had to do with the relationship between Jews at different times and other dispossessed groups, right? The the sort of duty of like the way Jews interact with the civil rights movement or other things of that nature. And so I very much take the point you're drawing out there that you don't want it to all be just as one thing on the other hand, you know, I like, how do you think it changes that if this is a time when there is a need for? Was a need for more defensiveness, but a a need for attention. Because my my basic theory of what's going on is that there have been a lot of we'd have just functionally stronger political system for many years when we have at this moment, and one of the things that I noticed in that is that there were a lot of views that were always well represented in the population that the two parties more or less kept a lid on one of them was sort of anti immigrants. You know, phobia. The Republican party was significantly more pro immigrant than its base. And then another I think is anti-semitism where both parties are more pro Israel and produce then certainly a good segment of the country. Right. And one of the things I see is weakening of that. Again. I'm not saying that Donald Trump is personally anti-semitic actually don't think he is. But he's there's definitely they're definitely not making a huge effort right to fight against the parts of their base. That are the don't hold the same views. And. Yeah. And I think that's an interesting thing late the late weakness there is deeper than. I had thought it is an Esa political system weakens. I think the possibility of dangerous more serious, right? I mean, look this guy in Pittsburgh. He thought that Donald Trump was not antisemitic enough. Yes, right. I mean, like he did think that now I don't see a whole spate of Republican candidates out there at the congressional state legislative level who's decided that their political agenda is going to be to move to the more anti-semitic place, the Donald Trump, look, I think a lot of it is that Jewish political power and Jewish whiteness insulates Jews to some degree from some of this stuff. But I I also think that you know, that it's just it's unpredictable and the thing that I that scares me and frustrates me. Is that I feel like because so much of the American Jewish political influence is focused around defending Israel from any criticism. And because these rarely government is invested itself in downplaying Trump's complicity with anti-semitism because they love his Israel policies that we don't have a Jewish organizational structure, that's actually combating anti semitism in the right way. Because he commanding it in the right way would would require taking a harder line against what Trump is doing on a whole range of things. It would require saying look this caravan stuff is going to lead to Edison. And we're going to oppose this kind of anti immigrant rhetoric because we believe that as a matter of self defence, we have to and I think that the most powerful American Jewish orgies can't do that. Because they're complicit in certain in various ways with the Trump administration. I'm sympathetic to the dilemma, I guess I'll say because if I were running a big Jewish organization at this moment, and I saw one of the dangers as being that. There was more political polarization around support for Israel. If not for Jews absolves, the idea that you would pick a fight and that've all normal moment with like one of the really powerful political coalitions when the Israeli leadership has already picked a fight with the other powerful political coalition, right? That would be that'd be tough space to be you have Israeli jewelry going to war with. Critic of American Jewry going to war with Republican party. Yeah. Like, that's a that's a strategically of complex thing. Right. No. It is. Right. And so right from a seven perspective you wanted argue as much as I kind of loathe his value system that Sheldon Adelson is it's great to have shuttles as in there. Right because he has not influenced Donald Trump, and he concerned about Jews in his own particular way. And so he's going to you know, that's true..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:19 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"So they have the entire state apparatus that dominates their lives. He's completely unresponsive to them and only responsive to the Jews who live alongside them. So they lose every day in every interaction. They have then he's really brutal to see. And I think one of the things that I would really hope that people would start to do more is create more of an opportunity for more people to have that experience that you had the thing that gets said here where when you bring this up people like, well, it's worse in Syria. It is it is worse in Syria. Like, let me. Say like what is happening in Syria like it's beyond imagining. But you really can't have it both ways. You can't both have the there should be a special relationship with Israel. And particularly if you're Jewish that you should have a special connection to Israel and feel a stake in its success and its actions and its future and feel like it represents you in your present it on some level, and so you should treat it specially. But as soon as you say it's doing wrong, then it has to be in a completely normal objective. Detached ordinal ranking of countries and human rights abuses, and whatever all around the world like either there's something unique about Israel and the relationship in this case of American Jews to it which create something uniquely offensive about Israel acting in this way towards a minority that it is subjugating or you can say there's worse things elsewhere in the world. But then like, if the ideas that you treat Israel sort of very normally on that on that front, then we'll want another fronts. Why does this? We'll get more foreign aid. Why? Is it get more military aid? Right. Like, you can't have the special relationship only happened in the positive spaces. Right. Exactly. Right. I mean, most of the other countries that are doing these horrible things worse than Israel, the United States isn't paying for their military's. You know, he's not giving them a huge amounts of military. And we are really deeply implicated in those things, and I think a lot of this. Tens of being kind of what aboutism, you know. And the truth is that things don't have to be the worst human rights abuse in the world to be bad and to be something that one should be concerned about especially for Jews like magin if Jews were protesting Soviet pressure of Jews in the nineteen seventies. Right. I didn't hear a lot of people going and saying this is double standards because what Pol Pot and the Amine are doing is worse. Right. This matter to Jews, right? And I feel like what happens in Israel should matter to Jews, partly because I think it's Marley horrendous and partly as you said absolutely Riley from a long-term perspective as an existential threat to the survival of the state of Israel. And it's amazing how many former Israeli, you know, military and security had say that all. The time. You know, it's they often sound more left wing than Jay street. Yeah. There's always been that strange dimension to it where the common line ten years ago with the range of opinions that you're allowed to of in Israel is broader than the ones yet. You're allowed to have before getting called bad names in America. Right. I it does seem to meet of clubs the little bit within the Israeli political system. But but certainly not all the way. Yeah. Yeah. But I think one of the, you know, it's not for me to tell anyone else. What to write about? Because there are so many different subjects that really matter. And we all have our things to speak. But I think that one of the I would say the costs of extremely successful extremely talented, not flatter you. But you know, people like yourself, or you know, or medically others not writing about this. I never thought I'd see the day when Peter beinart was demanding than be backing Israel conversation. I know, you know, never forgive me. Please..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:22 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"One of the ways that the American Jewish organizations wheeled influence like every other like the NRA wherever is is. By bundling a lot of donations. If you're not reliant on that like Beto, aerobic isn't in some ways, you see a real distinction not only in the population. But even among members of congress, the Democrats, the younger Democrats tend to be more open to criticizing Israel than the older ones. I also just think and this speaks to some of the things senators has been saying. There's just a flat reality that if you have a liberal orientation towards foreign policy, right and your foreign policy is based on some level on recognition of human rights and a belief and the rejection of oppression that where things have gone in Israel is just it's objectively more offensive. I mean, you write about this eloquently constantly, but Israel's become quite brutal. Police state to the Palestinians. I mean, it is it is not a reasonable way to make people to live. It's like there are many moral atrocities happening all of world at all times. It is not a unique one happening there, but it is a real one happening there, and, you know, at some points, just so much more active peace movement, but there's also been an Israel exception. But the worse it gets right. Just the harder. It gets to carve it out. And then the more sort of concentrate its support gets in one party, right? I continue to think the Netanyahu made an unbelievable series of for Israel's future strategic. Miscalculations in the way, he treated Obama that it was like, I understand the short-term political incentives of it. But it was such a bad idea. He alienated so many people he needed to have on the side in the long term in the Democratic Party like honestly hard a little bit. But I take those points about the political strategy of it and house lining up. There is just like there's just like also reality of it that, you know. It just causes tension. Right. And one of the really interesting things. So one of the most effective things that groups like a pack do is they take members of congress. But not only members comes all kinds of American financial people to Israel, which is a very powerful experience for a lot of them is understandably I mean, it's I love going to Israel, but they don't take them to see Palestinian life, and in my experience and most American Jewish leaders also don't actually ever really they may have been Israel seventy seven times, but they've also also not really ever experienced Palestinian life. So it's kind of like you quivalent of like going to New York City only spending your time on the upper east side never going to the Bronx. And then basically coming and talking about what you learned about community relations with the police. Right. It's not a great analogy. But the point is that they what they don't see it as important as what they do. See when people actually do go to spend time and see life of Palestinians up close, it is generally transformative, which I'm sure you've made I've done a bit of also. Yeah. It's I mean, that's part of where my attitudes on this come from like us. You can't look at that. And say, it's okay. You just can't exactly all of the rationalizations. It's worse in Syria. They voted on themselves like they have a certain surface plausibility when we're sitting here in New York when you actually go, and you'd be decent normal people who who have lived there. I mean, let's just think about it in American firms people in Mississippi in nineteen fifty three we're at least, theoretically citizens the United States. They couldn't actually actualize that citizenship. They couldn't vote, but they were theoretically, citizens the Palestinian are not live under Israeli control. They're not even theoretically citizens of the country under which they live. They never have been right..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:36 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"And I think you're sort of like beginning to signal this. When you you you mentioned Bernie Sanders is that I am not sure that Israel if it continues in direction, it goes, if you imagine a much more liberal political coalition taking power in America, it can rely on the same intuitive level of connection and support from liberal jewelry that it has has in the past that it had sort of my grandfather's generation. My father's generation. And I'm uncomfortable with that. Right. Like, I don't want on some of. I don't want that to be true. But on the other hand, I do think that's there. I think that space is opening up in this conversation that wasn't there before because you know, I think there are a lot of younger Jews in America will look at Israel. And they don't see Judaism, they recognize see a place that is overwhelmingly Jewish and that is gone in a kind of scary political direction and gone. Oh, I don't know. Exactly. What you say about that? But you know, you probably just down waited in the set of things you're worried about in the world. Yeah. I think that's right. And we haven't even mentioned, but this is a. A big part of it. Of course, that, you know, one of the things that happened after Pittsburgh was this controversy about the uscca's Nause chief rabbi, refusing to call tree of life synagogue, right because Israel, these really government, which has a corrupt official orthodox rabbinate doesn't recognize the legitimacy of the kind of Judaism that most American Jews practice. And so there was this line where enough tally Bennett says, you know, when the anti-semites come to kill you. They don't ask if you're conservative or reform, right? And which when my immediate response was yes for these really government does. Right. You know? So like that's part of it you, you know, in addition to the Palestinians, and you're right. I do think that something really interesting is happening in the Democratic Party. And part of it is that the American Jewish organizations established represented. Let's move all by APEC, which is the most powerful American Jewish organization still has an enormous amount of power. But it's not equally distributed between the two parties right on it's much much much more powerful than Republican party. And in fact, someone who was running bombs and even speculated to me recently that the Democrats into. And twenty ninth and go and speak at eight pack a lot of them and in a way as things have become so partisan Democrats can afford to ignore they might still get pilloried by people on the American Jewish right? But those aren't there people? So they don't matter as much to them anymore. They can afford to afford it. And I think what Sanders is going to do which is going to be really interesting is his bet is just as Donald Trump saw that. There was a disconnect between Republican elites and Republican voters on trade immigration, and he could leverage that and then create a model for all the other Republicans. Aw, this is where people actually are. I think Santa's going to do that on his Israel. He's already saying that he supports conditioning military aid, which is way way beyond anything Bronco bomb ever said you just wanted to fund with this for so he's going to basically say we're not going to give Israel military aid strings with no strings attached. We're going to say maybe you have to reduce settlement growth or something like this. And I think he may find that there is that it is a winning political issue in the democratic primary maybe not in the general election, but first of all think about how many Arab and Muslim Palestinian. Americans have never had anybody. Actually, they could look to on this issue. And as you say a lot of younger people, there's still deep anger. I think among a lot African Americans about the way Netanyahu tweet, a Brock Obama all of this is there, and I think it could mean that the Democratic Party moves it's not going to be like the labor party in Britain, the political culture here is two different. But I do think that people are going to go beyond what Barack Obama did. And the other thing which I think is part of it is that the democratic party's moved to reliance more on small donors because if you rely more on small donors, you also defaming again this make can start to sound like anti-semite, but the truth is that.

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:52 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"First of all just like you have the right to criticize both narrow in Brazil sheriff you have right, right? So, you know, the UN says that Gaza will be unlivable by twenty twenty partly because there will be no water. Right. A no drinkable water like that's just down the beach from Tel Aviv. You know, like that's insane. Like, the idea that you can extract yourself from the conditions of the people in which you live and you say twenty percent of Israel's own population. Inside the green line are Palestinians. Right. They call them Abbas released, but they're Palestinians. And right now, the danger is not as a parent, but ultimately as population shifts, the Palestinians also have another big advantage over Israeli Jews that I think is not commonly. Understood I think the Palestinians understand that. I think the Jews don't really recognize it, which is to say most is really Jews, and this is kind of ironic given Zionism they actually do have somewhere else to go right there a first world population. Which is generally quite connected to other. Populations. If things in Israel, get bad, they can go to Canada or ustralia. Right. Even today. Some of them do that right to go to Silicon Valley? Right. The policies don't really have anywhere to go just because of the nature of their economic circumstance. So in a certain kind of way, they can wait the Jews out. Let's imagine you get to a situation where you're basically in long-term civil war with constant violence and the economic economy going down and the Palestinians like that's not going to be that much worse for them than things are now. But for as Jews it's going to be dramatic, and and they will start to immigrate, and that's alternately. I think how Zionism loses in the Jewish. They lose. That's what will happen. It will be because of immigration because Jews will ultimate they won't stay the mobile part of the population. And so this is why I think in Palestinians have always been saying this point they've always been saying, don't you get it the two state solution is more necessary for you than it is for us. Right. But I think through arrogance. You know, these really politically dish of the American Jewish leadership have forgotten that and they've they've bought into this idea. That again because Mohammed bin Salman whispers in their ear and says, we don't really care about the Palestinians. They can make the Palestinians knuckle under and they can live high on the hog without the Palestinians, causing them problems. Yeah. So I think that is all very well taken the other thing I want to pick up on what you said is this idea that if Israel continues his hard turn towards the right? It will break for you. Some idea of what Jewishness is, and I was trying to think about how it landed with me because I realized I didn't quite feel that way. But what I did feel was that I had always really rejected and really been offended by the conflict of how Jewish you're you felt about Judaism how how much you identified with it. What you learned from it. And how you felt about the ongoing political strategy of Israel going back before some of the current turned to the right like that. That was always a rhetorical move that I was very angry. About and continue to be to to this day. But but one thing that is definitely happened. For me is because I don't think make that link to the degree some people do as Zionism has moved into a place. It is more directly in conflict with what I understand Judaism to be particularly I I think I understand Judaism very much as you do. And it's a religion of the dispossessed or religion of recognizing that you two were once a stranger in Egypt. These are the parts of it. I find very beautiful the Jewish history that I really moves me is like this history of of people who have suffered enormously and have made something of that suffering who've turned who found a beauty and a moral courage in that suffering as Israel's come to represent that less for me. Right. It has become more detached from my sense of Jewishness, and my sense talking to other beyond us like being on college campuses things like that is it. This is happened whether consciously or less so for a lot of people and one thing that feels to me be quite dangerous for Israel. Term..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:52 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"Yes. And that's somehow, someway, I can't quite explain was related not just to its Jewish character. But to its liberal character, not like liberal in the kind of left, right American way, but liberal and the overall liberal values way, and as that weakened that emotional connection for me, we can to and at some point it just it seemed that I was writing about something. That I just didn't quite understand. Why I was writing about it as opposed to a million not a million but dozen other conflicts that were causing more loss of life more suffering elsewhere in the world, right? Well, see this is in some ways the structural disadvantage of the Jewish left in the United States. Which is that it's composed of people like you who are Marley universalistic. So you care about a whole range of this zone. If they don't totally reasonable, right? And in a way, this is why even if there are as many Jews who sympathize with Jason moves, a pack a pack is stronger because the juice for Jay street are also spending part of their money on climate change and immigrants rights, the people are tribal, right? So they're very single issue focused, right? And they stay in that game because they're focused. They're concerned about what they think is good for Jews. Right. This is in some ways. What when I go to college campuses about this high speed to college students, the harder sale is not to convince them that what the Netanyahu government is doing his bad the Carter things to convince them, and it's very hard is why they should pay any attention to this climate change is going, right? And for me purse. Personally, I can only say it's because I'm not actually that pure universalist. Like, I have a very strong tribal streak that was infused in me. And like for me, the fate of the Jewish people is of paramount importance, partly I think, I stay involved because I feel very much inspired and connected to people on the Israeli left who I really admire was I was at a chevette lunch few year ago with a really brilliant is really academic and she had a job at Princeton. And she was going back to teach at Tel Aviv university. And I said why are you going back? I said just d hope of changing things you said, no, I'm like an abolitionist in the eighteen twenties. And she said, but this is my country, and I'm going to be there for and I thought, you know, when I go with people, and breaking the silence, these, you know, too, I feel like if they are willing to do this. Then I feel like they're in Mississippi equivalent of Mississippi. I'm the guy sitting on the Upper West side. The least I can do is to support them if they're doing it. But the other. Thing for me. And again, I think just personally he's probably being the child was South Africans is for me, what's on trial in Israel is Judaism in a certain sense. Which is to say Judaism, I find has had a set of ethical interventions and arguments and ideas over the centuries they've had a big impact in the world. But the tricky thing was that they would the entire Jewish ethical tradition is forged in powerlessness. It's never adjusted by power. So for me. And there is this great kind of interaction in you who to these book where he's talking to the pagan king. And he's saying we Jews have an ethical decision. It's better than Christianity in Jewish and Christianity is called a dome red blood associated with the figure of Esau violent and the king pagan kings. What are you talking about? You just haven't had the opportunity yet, you know. And for me in a way, if it turns out that Israel is the great test of Jewish power because it's Jewish sovereignty. And if Israel fails that test for me in a certain kind of sense so much of what I was raised to believe, I wanna believe. About the Jewish vision becomes kind of full shit. And so for me, that's why it matters. Even though I have no expectation that I'll move to Israel either. But you know, it's very hard to say that things are not looking good. Coming up next here advertiser content from ZipRecruiter about one business looking for the right candidates on the road hired. This is the road to hired brought to you by ZipRecruiter. And this is the sound of success. Greg Donner.

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:36 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"Knesset majority of sixty one seats by tradition. You have to have sixty one Jewish seats. It is not considered legitimate to bring in the Arab Israelis the Palestinian citizens of Israel and their political parties to get to the majority. And that always means that the right is empowered. It's almost the equivalent nothing able to rely on African American votes for the Democratic Party United States. So what you find there's nothing in the rules about nothing in the most. But emotion is this is a Jewish state. If we're gonna make big decisions for the state. There has to be a Jewish majority in the Knesset. And so even when you had who'd Barack there, we talk Rabin in order to fish around for his Knesset majority. He had to go to more right wing or religious parties that didn't really share his values. And I think part of the conversation that we still not really having the United States, which is a challenging conversation to have which has to do with the nation of Jewish. Statehood has to looking under the hood a little bit and understanding better the ways in which the tensions between liberal democracy and real equality and Jewish stated as it exists in Israel today condition. A whole series of things. But you also notice that people in the American press off frequently refer use the term Israelis as synonym for Jewish Israeli all Israelis from left to right of hose the Iran deal really twenty percent of the population. Right. That's larger than either African Americans Hispanics liked Brock Obama supported the Iran deal. Wildly for a Palestinian state. Right. And that's often erased in our conversation super that. That's an interesting and fair point in reflects my language as well. One of the things that struck me the period is that the right wing coalition got a lot more right to and I think that was actually the thing for me. And I'm happy to talk about sort of like, my my of Lucien on this stuff. But for me, the real break came around not Netanyahu, who's a figure in Jewish politics. I always like saw and understood and like he's like part of the firmament and has been for a long time. But it was the rise of avocado Lieberman. Right. Who was so deeply illiberal? Yeah. And so violent to what I understood as the political character of. Of israel. Right. This idea that Israel was this really beautiful and very unusual mixture a haven for a Jewish people. And also a place to believe deeply liberal values. When other gore Lieberman was made foreign secretary when he rose up that was when it just seemed to me that Israel had gone somewhere. I had not expected to go. And I guess like the reason I stopped writing about it to be honest. I mean, one reason is that like foreign policy isn't my main right issue. There's only so many things. But the the reason I wrote about Israel was that I I had a real and have to some degree kind of emotional connection to the end Israel, a number of times by family has been you know, my grandparents took me when I was young. And I was just I was there in time was probably oh seven and something about that. Turn again to snap the connection. And it was the mixture of that political turn with some of the kind of like calling me a self hating Jew for writing it just it didn't really change. How I felt, but it changed my view that I had really sort of that it made sense for me to be prioritizing this over other issues that were I think also extremely important in the world. And so just some of my attention just went elsewhere because it felt like, you know, Israel is a nation at had chosen political path that I thought was very very self destructive, but it's choice to make. But it kinda like broke the idea for me that it was partially mind to right, which I think I like a lot of young Jews had like, Israel, even though I wasn't. I'm not there. I don't plan to plan to live there. It's partially mine too..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:40 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"If I had to tell a story in which there's change the story. I would tell would be the change will come from the Palestinians is they're the ones who have the incentive to change things. Right. They're the ones who are being oppressed. Right. People who are Frederick Douglass said power concedes nothing without a demand. Right. The Palestinians will continue to find ways of making life uncomfortable for Israelis whether it's violent jihad, non violent uprisings various things right now, the cost of occupations low for Israel. So there's no political need in recent Israeli elections. They haven't even really focused on this issue that much eventually because Israel has to set up where there's a kind of indirect rule in the West Bank the Palestinian Authority, basically runs. On Israel's behalf mostly funded by the Europeans. Israeli Israel doesn't have to send its eighteen roles to patrol every Palestinian village. If it see some guys who doesn't like it calls up the PA who sends their guys in there and the PA techs garbage. They run the schools, they do all that stuff. Eventually, I believe the PA will collapse. It has no legitimacy among Palestinians Palestinians, didn't sign up to create their own subcontracted occupation. They thought this was going to become a state when that collapses Israel faces a much tougher choice. Do we directly control the West Bank? Which is, you know, send our eighteen year olds to to walk from the narrow pathways in Iran and Qalqilya the reason the Oslo was created was because the first intifada showed Israel is that the cost was high? What I hope is that when that moment happens there has to be a new conversation Israel because the cost of occupation goes way up which may embolden the far right to they might say. You know, we have a great answer put them on buses and Senator Jordan, but also creates an opportunity for the left that American politics will be in a different place. And Bernie Sanders is. Doing a lot of interesting things in that regard. So you you see your views. It what happened is because be before we go into how could change I want to pin down the street. What happened is that? Basically. There are two things. One was that the pull out of Gaza, the legacy of the intifada, and the fact that just was able to recede is an issue because a security and distancing and subcontracting strategy basically removed its salience allowed for the whole thing to recede. I guess this is the question I've had it feels to me like there was a very sharp point at which things change. It was like who Barack loses burial. Sharon, it felt to me. Like, there was a centrist coalition when the who'd all merit to and they sort of lose out to Netanyahu. And after that there was like, no Isreaeli left in Israel politics of any real note. And it went from being a very vital part of the political situation to very weakened very quickly. Yeah. And that doesn't seem to me to track onto the timing of. After-effects of the intifada maybe attracts onto the timing of getting out of Gaza, and it just producing and salience, but I've never quite understood the nature of that collapse. Yeah. So I would say you you have the campaign negotiations in the summer of two thousand then in the fall of two thousand you have this second intifada, the second intifada, which is much more violent much more violence against civilians suicide bombings that are then the first intifada and last four years definitely damages the Israeli left dramatically also because Barack endorses the narrative he'll Barack himself partly to save himself. Politically says no no, I was a super dove. I gave them everything and look are about responded with with this violence. So that hurts the left dramatically in Israel. Plus, you have a term demographic trend, which is that the labor party and merits, which is to laugh a relying on secular, oschkenat's, ease Railly's who are diminishing part of the population and the other part, and this part is not almost never I think disgust enough in the American media, the nature these really political system is that to create a..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

02:09 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"The feeling that the set of political possibilities in Israel has collapsed. And in particular, the sort of peace movement in Israel feels like it has collapsed, and I'm curious sort of what your gloss on. Why? That is. Yeah. And I actually want to ask you about that too. And we get a second because I feel like we got we got all the time. Your decision not to write about this. I think is is actually significant, and you know, without buttering you up. It's actually, and I think indicative of something. And honestly to be honest. I sometimes ask myself or my wife last night. Why the heck am I writing about it so much like because as you say, there's a very strong feeling of beating your head up against the wall. First of all because you're right. The legacy of the second intifada moved Israel to the right? There was a very very strong narrative after the end of the second intifada in two thousand four and then the Gaza with Ron two thousand five that Israel had withdrawn from Gaza it had given policies everything they could've wanted in the Camp David negotiations and it had been met with terrorism. Right. I always try to tell people that it's important to distinguish the power of a subjective narrative from the historical accuracy that a lot of people thought America lost Vietnam because we were stabbed in the back by the antiwar movement, and that helped elect Ron Reagan didn't make it true. Right. I think actually empirically both of those arguments don't have a lot to recommend them. If you look carefully at what happened, but that has helped move Israel. So the right plus the demo. Graphics shift right growing population of ultra and modern orthodox Jews a Russian population this further to the right. And so yes, all of those things are are true. And also the Israel debate in the United States is nasty. It's intimate which is part of what I like about it. Like, I like the fact that people care so much like even the guy who like accosted me on the way to show like last year while I was with my kids in his kids. And he said are you Peter? And I said, yeah. Like like, an idiot said you Peter beinart, he says, I think politics are full of shit. You know, like, there's a perverse part of me that likes slow. I know it's like. Shamas? You know, like there's a part of me. I part of me that likes the fact that people care so much like if I read about a lot of things, I feel like people just like, you know, but in a way, it's an ugly little sandbox, you know, and it's like, I think in a parochial little sandbox. So it's very difficult to tell a story in which change comes from within..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:46 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"One of the places I want to take this conversation, which is a little bit of a tricky place to take it is just the experience of this right now, my experience of it which has been surprising to me to feel because I had you know, the old line that anti-semitism is a light sleeper. I'd grown up in a time. When it just didn't feel like that to me it felt like that was an aftershock of another age, and you know, now feels a little bit more like that to me, but I have had the experience and I'm not saying, it's a a valid experience. I'm just saying it is mine. I'm not saying it's true or kind of objectively correct about the situation, but Israel as a kind of conceptual safe-space feels a lot more unwelcoming. It feels like it as a place has gone under direction that as somebody who believes in kind of liberal human values. I can't support and America seems to have a real emboldening of a kind of conspiratorial antisemitism that I thought had weakened bore the head weekend was. Was further gone the night expected. I mean, I think a lot of us who are journalists right now who are on Twitter who are engaged in on hide commentary. The flood of antisemitic vitriol that has accompanied the rise of Donald Trump. And again this I'm really not blaming him for. But I am blaming some subset of his base for has been shocking like January shot. I just didn't see that one coming nor did I, and you know, and then you see translating into real violence real vandalism. What's going on in Europe is unnerving? And like, yeah. Like there's a way in which it feels like there's a an awakening and semitism Ganor and emboldening at semitism at the same time that Israel, which had a much broader representation of different kinds of jewelry seems like it is closed down into a particular version of itself, which as a country. That's it's choice. I don't like it. But you know, like I live in sovereignty to some degree. But I found it to be a very vulnerable feeling position. Yeah. I mean, I think that you know, since I. Live on the Upper West side of New York. I probably feel it less than a lot of other people do, but I think what the political consequences of this increase of owner ability are will be really interesting because. It can go politically in couple of different directions. Right. And we're seeing you know on the one hand there is the argument that says, and this is what people on the right have been saying for a while is that this safest bet for American Jews is to align with white Christians. First of all, why Christians have the power. So it's not a bad thing to allow people who actually have the power. Secondly. And I think you see this Netanyahu always in this that there's the genuine belief that we are on their side in this huge culture war after all they talk about Judeo Christian America after all. And there is in weirdly, even despite the rising antisemitism, a tremendous amount of Filo semitism in the Christian right in the sense that Jews are way of getting in touch with the Old Testament. Right. And also that Jews represent the west juicer, the outpost of the west in the sea of our enemies. And so I think there's one argument that says, you know, in in a way, it's not exactly the same. But I get I am the child of of South Africans and their echoes from me about the way. I remember this debates within arm's. Family people would say, no, no stick with the offer Connors, they support Israel, first of all they were very supportive Israel is trade arms. But also they want Jews because they see uses white. That's an amazing accomplishment. They see us as white don't squander that. Right. And then there's the second group which is much where I think my heart is. And I met your heart is the says no that actually our tradition itself, right which thirty six times in the Torah says remember, the heart of the stranger because you were strangers in the land of Egypt or some version of that says that we must see ourselves aligned with a stranger. But also, they are better allies..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

02:58 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"But is that you see what white nationalists increasingly often say in culture says this all the time. You can't listen to like seven cents event culture where they're saying is, but people further than her say this to Richard Spencer, David also, you know, what they say we want an immigration policy like Israel's, right because Israel has an immigration policy designed to maintain its demographic and ethnic identity. Why can't we have that the United States? So there's a lot of indication from the mainstream at all the way to the antisemitic right with Israel, and one of the things that drives me crazy in the mainstream conversation is that moved. In the very direction that conservatives want America to move in. It's highly sovereignty oriented extremely hostile to international law. It's becoming more religious unlike the United States, which demographically is becoming less religious, Israel, and the younger generation is more religious than the which is the inverse of the United States, and it's an war essentially with the Muslim Muslim world. So it's kind of like the tip of the American spear in the clash of civilizations that Steve Bannon, and these guys so I think when they say that they are Zionists not only them, by the way, Richard Spencer. Also, interestingly now calls himself as ionised in one of the things, which is really mind bending and calm. But is that you see what white nationalist increasingly often say in culture says this all the time. You can't listen to like seven cents of culture, where they're saying is, but people further than her say this to Richard Spencer, David also, you know, what they say we want an immigration policy like Israel's, right because Israel has an immigration policy designed to maintain its demographic and ethnic identity. Why can't we have that the United States? So there's a lot of it indication from the mainstream might all the way. To the antisemitic right with Israel, and one of the things that drives me crazy in the mainstream conversation is that whenever someone is accused of trafficking anti-semitism on the right? They say I just bought a million dollars in Israel bonds, those you realize I wanna go I love his more than anything. I'm plastering my house with is really flags. What the media generally doesn't understand is that it's perfectly possible and has always been possible to be extremely pro-zionist and antisemitic that think about it if you have Jews that you don't wanna live in your country, the idea of having their own country is an extremely interesting idea. So the polish government in the nineteen thirties, for instance, right, which was very antisemitic government was so pro-zionist they actually sent polish army officers to fight along with bay tar along with Zionist militias with the Gruen because they were desperate for Jews to get their own state because that would solve the Polish Jewish question. Right. So you see this connection from the American right with Israel, and you on the left. I think there's a growing sense of. Of some conscious. Among some groups of people of color activists of seeing Israel in some ways as aligned with exactly the forces that in the United States. You don't like so one of the things that black lives matter has been really activated around is the close connection between Israeli and Merriman police force, for instance, in terms of crowd control. And so you're seeing both sides essentially, come to see Israel as a representation of either what they want America to be or what they don't want America to base funny when when you sell that one of the things.

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

03:34 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ezra Klein Show

"Because obviously, they fit into a long lineage of that kind of antisemitic theorizing on the other hand, there's a lot of theorizing about the coke brothers, right, which I think sometimes is overblown, but I don't think it say Christian, and or people make Adelson I've heard how Adelson yes, you know, say well, why isn't the people talk about Adelson is a hidden hand to why isn't that antisemitic? So that's my question for you. Because you were just bring up the economic globalist right hundred thing, you know, people say nationalist is. The globalist, and yes, and there's a way in which when you're talking about anti-semitism, it can get a little like boxing with phantoms. Yes. Because things that are one way when the light catches it through an open window, right? And then a whole other way right in another context. And then it becomes really hard. You you feel like you're crying wolf. And you know, there's something there. But you're not sure what it is. And often, you're not sure it is always there. I think that Donald Trump may very often use words that are often used by anti-semites and just a more normal crude way, right? Not mean them to be at semitic. But somehow be emboldening them that feels good it feels like a very complicated space in this conversation to me and one that is constantly being poorly handled. It is really complicated. First of all, I think with strong the best explanation for things is usually starts with ignorance, right? So it's quite possible that Donald Trump just like he didn't know the other day that the leaders of the of Lithuanian, Latvia and Estonia were not responsible for the Balkan wars doesn't actually know very much about the history of anti-semitism. And so that's part of the reason that he's not being careful. I agree. Look, I'm generally the in the United States, certainly people are innocent of anti-semitism until proven guilty, right? And I'm generally willing to excuse one slip of the tongue which seems to me a little bit problematic or disturbing giving my own radar, which may be more sensitive to others. I think it's kind of when you have an a, you know, a series of different interests or whether people when people have clearly kind of pushed back and said, listen try to avoid this. Here's the story, and you just basically willfully ignorant, and so I wouldn't call Trump and anti Semite either. Because who knows what the heck is going on in his mind is what I would say is that, you know, going back to that weird thing two thousand thirteen with John Stewart where he's basically like why don't you give us your real name liebowitz? I mean, there's a weird way in which he's poked at this in a way, that's really unusual for American politicians like I wouldn't say that about Mike Pence or Ted Cruz or most of the other Republicans that really disagree. It's hard to know what the heck is going on over the thing that happened right after he was inaugurated. They had a proclamation about the holocaust, right? And there was this outcry because they didn't specifically mention Jews in it. Right. And they sort of like they like all lives mattered. Yes. All right. Well, you know, people weren't Jewish died in the holocaust to and truly. I remember when I was in Hebrew school. There was a particular day of remembrance when we would put on a little gold star. And right six million. And then I read eleven million. I was I was very precocious and universalistic dead. But I, you know, but it was a very unusual thing for a White House, dude and not have a special notation about the fact that that was interruption of anti Jewish genocide, right? In addition to being a lot of other kinds of violence too. So the the point that there's something in this administration that again it never quite verges into our anti-semitism. But I can definitely see how if I were an anti Semite looking for signals. Yes. That they were on my side. I'd be finding them. Yeah. And I think another thing you see in the Trump administration that we've seen for a while on the American right is the they believe that they're good use in badges, and this is part of I think the way they refute charges of antisemitism. But also convince themselves that there is no anti-semitism..

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"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show

The Ben Shapiro Show

01:51 min | 3 years ago

"peter beinart" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show

"It's it's it's obvious to anyone. There's a piece by David Graham over the Atlantic talking about where the Democratic Party is moving on policy. And he says that the democratic base has moved pretty radically left is according to data forty six percents of Democrats democratic leaning voters now identify as liberal up from twenty eight percents ten years ago. Meanwhile, the percentage say they're moderates has dropped from forty four to thirty seven the number of conservatives continues to drop too. But those changes most likely reflect the exits rightly Democrats as both parties become more ideologically homogeneous, it doesn't necessarily mean there's been huge growth on the party's left wing. But when you look at the specific moves on specific policies among the Democratic Party faithful you see a radical shift and left. So I think this is correct. Here's the Atlantic digging into Puzder unspecific. Visions can provide a good sense of how Democrats are moving leftward on certain issues, especially immigration economics and race most astonishing as immigration as Peter beinart. Who's terrible has written leaders in the Democratic Party have undergone a dramatic shift for unemployed support of immigration, including a certain extent illegal immigration in nineteen Ninety-four. Just thirty two percents of Democrats said immigrants strengthen the country. Now, eighty four percent do there's complete ideological homogeneity inside the Democratic Party on an issue of serious public controversy. Same thing on comics three quarters of Democrats. The government doesn't do enough to help people up from half in nineteen Ninety-four two thirds government should regulate business more up from half in nineteen ninety four in nineteen ninety four two thirds of Democrats said people could get ahead if they were willing to work hard now only half do. They're moving dramatically and on race. It's the same thing. We'll discuss that. In just one second first, let's talk about your sleep quality. So you haven't been sleeping. Well, I know don't lie herself. You haven't been sleeping. Well, the reason you haven't been sleeping well is because you're a unique human and yet your mattress is made for generic human who does not exist. And who is not you which.

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