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Steve Flink on Pete Sampras

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33:00 min | 1 year ago

Steve Flink on Pete Sampras

"Everyone John Wartime here is this week's sports illustrated tennis podcast hope everyone is is safe and sane, and wearing a gosh darn masks, dopey, one of those horrible people who declined to wear a mask and claim, your freedom is being impinged upon. It's not no more than the demands that you drive on one side of the road drive sober. The opposite of freedom is not anarchy anyway that public service announcement out of the way crazy times continue were tracking this a few hours after the Washington DC event, the city open announced that it was taking the year off. It could surmount the various challenges most of them related to travel. The US Open still on the calendar. My Intel is it's about fifty, fifty or sixty forty, but We continue to monitor world. Team Tennis Continues Afoot in West Virginia no positive tests, but Daniel Collins was a expelled for leading campus Kim Clijsters Leagues preemptive and presumptive and the P. Strange Times again. Let's leave the uncertain present and future and talk about the past specifically Pete Sampras our guest this week. Is St Fling Steve? Is a tennis journalist for almost fifty years a real historian, a member of the hall of fame, all around good guy. Chester, resident, Steve has a new book out titled Pete Sampras. Greatness revisited in. In keeping with the title, Steve Revisits Pete Sampras sizes them up now that twenty years of detachment since Pete. Won The his fourteenth and Fifteenth Major, obviously setting a standard that was quickly eclipsed by three different players. So this is a great conversation with Steve flink. We talk about Pete Sampras what he achieved, and how we should be taking the measure of Pete Sampras now that he is fourth on the all-time majors list for men something. No one saw twenty years ago when he was number one all right periods hall of Famer Steve flink. congrats first of all. Thank you, thank you. The biggest cliche question with with authors. Why did you Why don't you want to write this book? But I feel like often often yield some of the best responses so why? WHY SAMPRAS! Why Now? Well, I thought the timing was good especially in light Jonah. The with that iconic trio has been doing almost since Sampras. Left the game, Federer. Taking over in then Novak, and and suddenly they they were the three great explorers and history, and in the minds of many and I thought people so too easily forgotten and. I I always had a great appreciation for what he brought to the arena at the back of my mind was wanted to do a book like this, and then the timing seemed ideal, given the dominance of those players, and and the fact that he seemed to be. Unfairly fading into history. You? Say unfairly was that. Well. Because I think you know when somebody is number one in the world for six years in a row, and they went fourteen majors and their dominant. What I think was a more difficult era. stylistically the types of players he had to confront the likes of evenness. Cevic and cried check and Becker in Ed Gregory. You look at the sculpture was career I. Think there was more diversity in the game back then so I. Think Chocolat Lot. For a player to be to stamp his authority on on an era as as thoroughly as did so that's why I just mean I think it's the nature things. It I mean obviously. During the Sampras or maybe some fans were too quick to forget about. Rod Labor I think it's nature of sports, but I think in his case. It was particularly true because he never tried to call attention to himself. What was his level of involvement in this project? Or we did many hours of interviews. I started out at the in full of eighteen, and and wrapped up the project, not recently but I. I would come back to him. You know we I can't say how many hours was it was a lot and then I would also interview other players I go to a rafter or even which? Edberg reveal, hinder courier. Chang all these players. Even Novak Joker get their impressions at go back to Sampras with some of their thoughts together his response to what they were saying. So I was thinking it was twenty summers ago that he wins that that Wimbledon twilight and beats rafter and breaks the. Windows fourteenth major in this great, holy grail is. Achieved if you had told him. In two decades from now. You'll be number four on the list. What what he suspected responsibly. RUN KISS response would have, been Somewhat like yours in mind, you must be out of your mind I mean. When federal starting amassing those major so quickly starting in two thousand three I think Sampras himself realized by two thousand seven was going to be likely that federal would break his record, but then to have two more guys. Come along and have Rapid Novak's well. None of us could. It was inconceivable. I think all of us but I asked him at what he played on I. Mean if he could have known that that is records were gonNA be jeopardized, but I think he knew he couldn't have done it at given it everything he had. I don't think that he I think. He stopped when precisely when he should have no. I mean I think we talked about this a lot. About how difficult this decision is for athletes and you. You talk about this cliche of going out on top. Nobody did a quite like Pete Sampras did. Go back to the question is his is. He amused is is he sort of shaking his head? He upset eminent. It must be very strange to devote your career to this record that you think is. Unbreakable impregnable. And then watch three different guys sort of. Leapfrog over you I mean is. Is He shaking? His head is what's what's his emotion. Well I think he's amazed, but also deeply impressed with all three. What I like the most West. I did a chapter near the end by the way about imagining Sampras against Jovovich veteran Adele in an interview. Used a lot of quotes from even sufficient job, rich and others. How would how would that have played out and actually very favorably amongst most of them against that trio, but I think that he's very generous the way he looks at these guys and in impressed with all three in very different ways, and yet believes that he could have held his own it. It's an interesting outlook that he's got, but no I I didn't sense any kind of resentment whatsoever toward toward the three of them. You you. You strike me someone who you're all about the tennis. That's something I've always really respected about you. You've never had since as long as you've never had interest in who's WHO's dating? Who and WHO's changing her outfits and who's got what twitter feed it's all. What happens between the lines with you would. I think it's extra as extra half when you talk about Sampras because this is a player who as a tennis player has always really appealed to you. If, it's not about his social media feed, and it's not about. His attire and his affability in the interview room. What what is it? That has moved you so much all these years? Well I, think you you I think you some me up well. That's the way I would like to be looked at as a writer is about tennis I? Guess I I was just always. I always admired the craftsmanship and the professionalism I mean you look that Agassi and he wandered in and out of his professional Professionalism I think through the years. There was a sort of an instability. Courier was unfortunate in that. His body broke down to maybe trained to are, but you look at the other grades. I just thought he'd had his priorities right and I just love the dignity that he brought to the arena, and the way he his reverence for the game is reverence for the past greats of the game and the Australians. And how he wanted to be perceived out there so that that's really what? What what? Drove me to do this I. Guess I mean I think that he he stood out. I guess in in the forty five forty six years have been reporting I. He was the most admirable champion that that I covered. What did you learn about him? Additionally writing this book. While I learned that I he certainly loves his family. which we knew, but at is great regardless. Kids in these and. Really enjoyed time. He's had with his family that I learned that he doesn't. Some of these things he had much there were. There were parts of his career that he hadn't. He didn't remember that much clarity. Necessarily certain matches that I thought he might remember that he didn't because I. Think he's not one that just constantly dwelling on the past, and but I wasn't any that was anything that surprised me done so many us with before he retired, and even since he retired I I had done a lot of. Probably once twice. A year I would call and do do a story and just catch up on how he you doing the senior tour. What was going on in his life so I feel like I know him pretty well, so there were no shots, but I thought it was very thoughtful and. Reflective about what he'd done. I'm always interested in players. Recall that there always seems to me this this real continuum and you know Roger. Federer's a guy who you say what happened in that. Seventh game against Dominic. Roddy at the Basel Indoor in two thousand and two. He'll remember the point in and other players have no recollections of matches. Where where does pete sort of reside on that spectrum? The I'd say he's midway on the spectrum. John I mean I I actually had an incredible memory for his wins. You tended to sort of. Block out losses I think they were too painful, so he didn't have the point-by-point recall on his major wins. You could go going by Martina Navratilova was very good at that too I'd say feed is in the middle of spectrum. There are certain matches has a a that. He recalls with a lot of clarity others not so much, but e e remembers the overall feel of it, and the crucial turning points in what what was going through his mind, but that the details I put him in the middle. What would you say big biggest triumph biggest regret? I, try to got it the regret I tried to get it through regrets that I don't really think. I would sink deep down. It would be that if only he could have cashed in once on the French. I mean I. Thought for Instance in ninety four when he was was having one of his most dominant seasons and. Leading up through Wimbledon before he got hurt after Wimbledon. That was a great opportunity. Loss occur in the quarters. Maybe if you'd really honed in on it that you're ninety six for sure. When he got to his only semi and lost a Kafelnikov, Kafelnikov only beat him twice at time in a few weeks earlier also on clay if he'd beaten confounded, coffee would have played Michael Stich in the. The finals and I think that would have been a good clay-court matchup for him, so, but he doesn't i. just don't think he. He does regret much other than that. He internalized a lot. Maybe there were times he kept inside, and of course led to some to an all sir, and and you know He. He really was a lot more going on inside them than most fans realize. What do you think his relationship is with the the fame part of the job and the great knock on Pete. Sampras was he was boring. There's a guy from las, Vegas with Jean Shorts and a ponytail and BANDANNAS and celebrity romances. WHO's taking up all the oxygen when he looks back? What do you think his perception is of of the way? He handled the tennis parts of the job. Well I think. He felt he felt like he did his best to to. To do what he could I. I think you're right in the way you describe it i. think that's the part that you really didn't like necessarily. You wanted to go out and play. It was all about winning and preparing and collecting major titles, and the rest of it I think he felt that he obligations responsibilities that I think he feels you lived up to, but it's not like you mentioned social media. He's not doing social media now. Interestingly enough. You did say that if he would been around today, maybe he would have had to do some of that, or maybe he would have even been okay with it, but. That sort of being true to his values, I mean you look at all the other ex players tweeting all the time and that he doesn't have any interest in that. What do you make of that? I I like it I like the fact that you know the needs said to meet several times love private person I like the fact that he's doing it his way and doesn't feel a need to be out there and and. Again calling attention to himself, I think if there was something. Maybe if the commentary have been more appealing to him, he could have done that very easily and I think you would have been quite good at it, but. He just that's just not him. I think you know he he. He understood that he was a celebrity. A sports icon but maladies had a chance to be to just live his life in in California. I think he's been very happy with that. Tells more about that you know. I think a number of US saw him a maybe a year ago. He was in Australia several years ago as well but I. Mean What what is lifelike, and this is your right. Does it not someone where you could go to social media feeds the every instagram photo of the every sunset. He's witnessed. What's what Pete Sampras was like in twenty twenty? Well I. Think you know I it very close to. His wife and his two kids and likes to play I mean obviously the pandemic I mean it's changed everything for all of us, but he loved loves playing a Lotta. Golf and going to the gym, staying fit. And then you know, he's taken on certain business projects periodically obviously. Is You know he played? The senior tour is up period from. It's like two seven, two, thousand, seven to eleven. We played a lot of the Jim Courrier senior events, and then as he got older, he had to stop playing those, but it's a pretty. It's a quiet life, but again I don't think he's felt the need to take on a high profile business opportunity just to have his name out there in the spotlight again. Suspect. He's happy. I? I certainly had that impression in many hours over a period of many months that we spoke yes I think he's and I think he's. He said that's overtimes. He is he is very contempt, and in a he lives by his own code, and some people you know everybody has to do it their way and he certainly has has lived up to his standards. What do you think the relationship is in tennis between? Players, history, legacy. Overuse word and the way they go about their business post playing I mean Pete like not unlike not unlike Steffi, not coaching, not commentating, not macaroni, not not backing rowing. What impact does that have this fairly low public profile? What impact do you think that has on the way? History is recalling him. Well, that gets back to the premise for the book again I guess it made him it. It possibly kept him away from public imagination more because he wasn't inserting himself into the conversation. He hasn't passed the out there. Doing interviews on television or doing anything public where people would see him again. Remember him more vividly, so but I think that he's been more than willing to to accept that but I felt like. Maybe the book would be something that would. Allow his pants and the sports public to. To you know to to revisit him as with. That's the name of the Book Pete. Sampras greatness revisited it I think it's the time is right. I go back to what you were saying about this this current era. Who I think. It's an interesting point. You raise that Pete. Sampras twenty five years ago had to adjust to. Wheel more distinct surfaces, a greater diversity of opponents different styles. Constantly. Be Factoring that in when when we played this inner ear era comparison game I. Mean What what what does that mean to you? Well, I think it raises his stock. I think that people I think it has to be taken. You have to do some interpreting. And and again that's why I included the chapter about implying against trio, because a lot of a lot of these former players believe you would have done quite well in his kinds of conditions on grasser indoors or. You know a hard courts, but Now it's an interesting point. You're making and I I just think he it's. It's it's. It's hard to answer that John. I think that, but I do think historians have to look at more than just Grand Slam titles just total number. Germany, tiles again. He has a one record that stands out to me is the six years in a row number? One rapid back and Roger have all had five years total at number one. He did six years in a row. They'll never they'll never be able to match that that so over a certain period of time very long haired time he, he stayed at the very top of the sport in in a very difficult era. Finishing six years. At number one can say. The year, which by the way always I think meant more to him. He used to talk about that a lot and we talked about it when I wrote. The book is that it's one thing to be number one on June, the third or September tenth, but it still is the year end that really matters and there were parts of those years when he wasn't number one, but the whole idea was end the year number one cruise. You were the best player for that year and he did that six consecutive times. Usually. When you ask people about the health of tennis they talk about. Ratings and participation numbers it suddenly becomes about business and marketing I mean as somebody who focuses inside the lines strictly as performance The score right now. You know what? I mean come out of the pandemic coming back to normal times I mean. Let's let's sort of suspend a pandemic I mean just as as hitting balls over as a physical endeavor, so having nothing to do with the usual sort of gripes about. Television ratings and the lack of American stars and what's GonNa Happen after Serena strictly as as XS knows what you see when play begins to win player shake camps at the net. What do you make of tennis as a? As a performance as a sport right now. Well, I think I. I think so much of it has depended on on the trio. They've they've carried. Fans expect him to win. Every major think they're such powerful personalities in their own right, and they're all. There is some diversity, obviously in the way. They play with Raffles unique left Spin Novak's. Astonishing defense and Rogers just all court brea, and so there is some diversity among the trio and I think they what I worry about. It actually is not right now John, it's it's around the corner. what happens when they leave, what happens in federal retires, and you're too, which might well do or veteran Nadal three four years from now in a WHO's going to step into their shoes and I also hope. that. We get a more diversified brand of players back again. I hope there's some Sampras layer that emerges that can serve and volley I don't believe the homogenized services or the a slowing down of the Serbs his should prevent somebody from being a great attacking player. In the Sampras mode and I I think it would do the game a lot of good, because obviously easier. There was a great contrast between San Persson, Agassi Sampras and currier sappers. Check, and then you have the other serving volumes along with him I. Think the game needs that again. Is that equipment is that surfaces becoming more homogenized or somebody made an interesting point to me saying it's just. Temperamental in about players risk thresholds, and it's really not about fancy nylon strings, and it's not about it's just players today. Really hate seeing the ball whiz by them when they come to the net, and it's demoralizing to get past, and it's really all mental. What do you? What do you think of that? I think there's a lot of validity to it. I don't know if I'd go quite that far to say the surfaces in the balls and the general slowing down of the game, as not as a factor, but I agree I think that there is that sense of of low risk and not wanting to be embarrassed and just comfort comfort in knowing they can depend on their legs in their ball control, and their speed dead to get them through these matches and consistency from the from the baseline so I I think that again if someone would come along and show them the way they could influence an entire era, and the sport might be transformed in some ways. Can Pete Sampras existing twenty twenty. Well, I think Pete Sampras. Yeah, absolutely I think he would have changed that. Much I think the difference would have been. That may be served in volley, a little less on his second serve, maybe instead of it being a you know almost one hundred percents timing might have brought it down in the range of sixty seventy percent but I. don't think he would have changed that much and I think it would. It still would have worked would've been minor adjustments, but I still think you would've been essentially the same attacking player he was. And how do you think Pete Sampras would handle some of the other obligations. We talked about social media, but that's obviously just a sliver of this no Roger Federer makes depending on who you believe. Nine figures a year being Roger Federer on the other hand. It seems like it's increasingly difficult to do what peed into. Some staffy did and just say. I'm I'm hitting tennis balls, period and I I leave the other stuff to other players. You think he would handle what it means to be a professional athlete, the top of Your Sport and twenty twenty. Without would have been fascinating to see I think in he would he s. he acknowledged me. You probably might have been open to some of the social media, and maybe some of the other things as well would. It would have been more comfortable because he would have seen others doing it on the other hand I. Don't think he would've taken it. To the degree of comfort that you see especially from Roger but even Novak Rafeh Because I still think you know he. He is who he is and I think he would've. Stayed true. What he wanted to do that's that's my guess, but it's really it really has facet. To next book. have. You know. Having just been, is this what I can't say? I hope that'd be another one a few years down the road, but I joined this project immensely Nice. Certainly hope that the public is well. We will link Amazon laying some Michelle page until people had to get this wet dumb, you and I are. Talking on Monday I feel like we need. Everything in Cova needs to be time stamped. As as we speak the US. Open still is on. My calendar You've thoughts on. Whether how and whether tennis to proceed? In the US and internationally in in this strange period living through well I thought. I think it has to be perceived. You say precede, proceed with caution is the way I. Look at it and I think the open in in. I tip my hat to them in the sense that everything they've set up all the precautions. In getting the players ear as carefully as they can, and testing them once they're here in not allowing fans onsite no media, all of the moves that they've made. I think a practical and smart and now. Conversely, I don't think that's true. The French Open, but I think you WANNA stick with with America for now and I i. think doing everything in their power to make this thing work, but the virus may not cooperate as which I. Worry a lot about. How the pandemic is exploded in other parts of the country like Florida in Arizona California Texas, and how do you? How do you? Protect all these people coming in from different places in our even some of the players might conceivably be coming from Florida. Protests positive. It's tricky proposition. It strikes me that tennis's global nature. Is something you and I probably love about the sport, but it's a lot more complicated the travel alone. Makes things very very complicated. I I think you're right to that in you and I are both. In New York in things seemed to be. I won't say snapping back to normal, but all the vectors are headed in the right direction, but yeah, I mean think about how many players are training in in Florida and in southern California right now and. I suspect. That gives a lot of players cause for concern. My other worry would an I sure hope it doesn't happen that they get started and they play the Cincinnati portion of the event, and and then some players start getting sick, and then it starts to mount and that, and then what a certain point you shut it down under your having defaults left and right I. Sure hope that doesn't happen, but in the back of my mind I I do worry about it. So, so let me ask you this as a tennis. and. I think you know it's who knows how this event is going to go. As we speak the the MVP of world team. Tennis is eight thirty seven year old. All of fame inductee with three kids whose I mean I think these results could be all over the place. How do you suspect we are going to? Process the twenty twenty. US Open champion provided, there is one I mean this is this somebody who's distinguished themselves, even more given the challenges, or is this going to be people? Obviously Reference Nikki pillage. The Wimbledon title. How does history? Has Interpret this. US, open, champion. To get back to that women which I was fortunate, because Yan coach wanted to title, he won a couple of and he went on to, so people thought it was devalues, but then he went on, and and he was into the US Open final is an E. I thought he validated away, but right now I think would depend partially on the entry yet. Thirteen to the top sixteen original CJ or Wimbledon didn't play because of the boycott so now. What happens if this open were missing seven of the top chat? And David, Geffen wins the tournament I mean we can't take it away from David. Go fine if he wins the tournament and good for him, and Hilbert it seven matches to get there, but will we look at it the same way we do a typical us, open gets back to interpreting again I suspect not. This will be very happy news to David Fan that he is your twenty us open champion. No, but I think I. Think you're right. I think I think seven out of the top ten seeds. Missing that is not dissimilar to what. To what I've been hearing. You think they should play best of five. Well I I. Don't I think the players? That's a very good question. A lot of the players may not be in the best physical shape to do it although I think they're going to make a move to best of three they should. Let that be known very quickly and players should should be aware of it well in advance. A case could be made that this year given the circumstances for six months players being away from the game from official tournaments for about six months. At that you, you could do best of three all the way through to protect them, because the potentially going to be a lot of injuries as well. I had I had to PLATEK WHO's playing world team tennis. Who Basically said the same thing that Everybody's happy to be here in playing? But there's a big difference between working out in your basement or hitting balls on. Public Court with your coach, and then matchplay and they're. Thinking the trainers at the US Open are going to get a workout because going going back on court, playing match conditions and heat with the stress hormones that come from competition. That's that's a big difference than. Hitting balls in Florida with with coach for ninety minutes. Yeah, absolutely, the heat and the hard courts combine that can be a deadly combination. Normally, the players had that entire summer. They played a couple of you know they played candidate Cincinnati. They're ready for it. They played the whole year this time. They're jumping into pretty deep water and it could be dangerous. You One more question. How how do you think tennis has acquitted itself this last six months? What have you learned about the sport? And how would you grade? The job tennis is done. Dealing with you, know we. We have this like it's like word salad. This challenging slash unprecedented slash unsettling. Whatever your adjective is house tennis dealing with this This nuts period we've all been living through. Role quite well from the administrative side for Wimbledon to give out the prize money I think is is a great thing. They could have been a little greedier about granted. They had their insurance, but the right thing to do and the ATP and deputy a they been very supportive of the players. The players themselves have tried hard I thought that joke caught more flak than he should have for what happened in Serbia because the other players. Players are grownups to and what about Sarah? What about team? What about all the rest? They knew exactly what they were doing. That was mistake but I think there was in the right place overall I. Think the game is coming out of this quite Alan. Maybe the maybe it'll change a lot of outlooks among the players that they they'll be a level of appreciation for what they're doing that they that they never really quite had before. Well put congrats again on the book. It's lovely to speak albeit by zoom. Maybe we'll Be Sooner rather than later. It will be in person but. congrats again. It's I. Think you're right. I mean this. Fresh approach to appreciating Pete Sampras is deserved. I think a lot of people will not only enjoy. This book would enjoy sort of what it represents which is Let's not get so caught up in the moment in the recency, and let's give these guys do from the previous era, so well done on. Roger Marris's next. CIA. I wouldn't mind that I just listened to fill resume call his sixty first home run in nineteen sixty one. The radio call was brought back great members. He beat Pete Sampras. Pat and twilight? This was a this was great. I appreciated CONGRATS. This is great in will I'll happily and Harley plug your book. Thanks John. Thanks a lot for having me on I enjoyed it. Thanks Dave those great take care. Okay great joy that conversation hope you did as well thanks as always the Steve always a pleasure talking shop with him, thanks to Jamie for all of her expertise she is is missed, and we will have some conversations resuming next week I. Hope programming note. I think I promise at recharge. gasquet would be our guest for the record. I dropped the ball on that one or more accurately. The shaky Wifi in my neck of the woods dropped the ball so Re chard thanks for the effort. We will do it again some other time, but that was my fault. Keep the guest suggestions coming. They have been tremendous Your mailbox questions have been a reliable source of entertainment Leave Review Subscribe spotify stitcher wherever podcasts are sold hope everyone truly is hanging in there, and with any luck we will Get onto brighter things in some real tennis here pretty soon. Okay, have a good week, everyone. We will do it again next week. Learn.

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How Can It Be Solved?

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How Can It Be Solved?

"All right welcome to highly questionable. We got izzy gutierrez and the only person in the holiday question rotation with her own jersey behind her mcnutt leser oaks. And as you move ahead baxter you can see. Is it a big deal that no americans reached the us open quarterfinal. They've been playing the. Us opuses eighteen eighties in. This is the first time that there are no americans in the quarter files now. Is that a big deal. Yeah if you think it matters that the united states be good at tennis because hey we used to have people who are good at tennis all the time back in the day then. Yeah this is definitely a thing at first. I was going to be like well. How many times have we told the same story about. American ten is not being what it used to be a damn. I didn't realize we got to the point where we were. Do it historically bad thing when it comes to tennis. Now let me tell you what is a big deal in. What was a big deal. And i think was easy for us to ignore which is the magnitude of the williams sisters like they have been carrying american tennis. Basically for twenty five years at this point since we don't treat everybody as though they're the same kind of americans whenever wrap them up in the flag and said hey they are carrying. This country's banner in this fort didn't do that well. Guess what now that you don't see them. Around now the serena williams is injured and looks like we're on the other side of her career. You're going to look around and realize dam. That was america right there playing tennis. I think the women's side is in a lot better shape than the mid side. Even still if you look at just some of the names. Cocoa golf comes up right but the men's side is it's been hugely disappointing for a long time now like i grew up. This is something. I used to be embarrassed to say. I grew up loving tennis and me and my best friend warren. We skip school a couple of times to catch some of these tennis tournaments like the french open like. I didn't go to school that day. Because i wanted to see andre agassi. Jim courier didn't happen like tennis was a huge deal. You had andre agassi. You had courier. You had pete sampras you had michael chang and then that next generation while they weren't as good like andy roddick right. The taylor dense james blake. Come to mind but you also ran into you. Know the three greatest men's tennis players of all time. So if you didn't have federer in the doll and jovovich. And even andy murray. They're the maybe. Andy roddick has a few majors instead of the just one. And you're starting to think okay. Men's tennis ken recover. He could be the guy he could be our new pete sampras but since then it's been like nobody and you've got a couple of guys now. Sebastian quarter being one that they play a little bit differently and they have sort of potential for you as tennis. Men during this era of djokovic federer and the doll we haven't seen any american men basically just john is ner with arguably the greatest one trick pony in the history of sports just serving and trying to get his way into the winning winner's circle that way so i think it's a tough place on the men's side the women. This just happens to be a coincidence in a bad year for the us open. I feel like it's an tough place on both sides. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure that the women that are currently in the field are going to take it to the next level now. Granted slow stevens. One in two thousand seventeen gave us the great name of securing the bag and of course name iwosaki is still probably the highest ring. Woman that competed in this field but in terms of having that stuff that you can't quite identify that the williams sisters clearly had that the three great men that you mentioned that are not american. All have i just don't know you see it in some of the young crop who are not american. Can we take credit for layla. Fernandez north america does that work at all credit for size. true soccer. feels like she's american as american sheep to countries. That ain't this room all in all whether you wanna take partial credit for naomi or not. I just don't know if we're seeing that stuff in this crop of tennis players martina navratilova may deploy in. This gets tricky. We start talking about this at america's force but he's basically saying we got all these rich kids over here play. It isn't over there they hungry. You know what i'm saying like. They kick shale cases off the court in order to continue play. That's her argument. And i'm not inclined to buy into that necessarily but i do think in this country tennis leg golf not exactly an inclusive sport. It's the people who are in charge. Really what this thing to get better than. Go out here at hand out a lot more tennis rackets and a bid. He gets fixed who have higher expectations for this weekend to or mack jones. Oh yeah baby is wednesday. You know is wednesday. We scrape in the bowl. We try to get a sunday football game. There's a thursday night football game but we got to say that tomorrow's show today. We are talking about alabama quarterbacks who are not play in that alabama dolphins. The patriots played this weekend to tug of our lobi suiting up for the dolphins mag jones in his first. Nfl start for the patriots. Now which one do. I expect more from the one. I didn't describe with making his first start like we saw to start some games last year. Yeah he was coming back from injury. It was not a great off season to be a first round quarterback meghan that transition with everything. That was going on with kobe last year but he's just started looking like a dude. That was a top ten pick and there were a couple of times last season that he looked like that. But i didn't say a couple of gains. I mean a couple of times. Now they are expecting him to not so much. Carry them but at the very least lead them like this is a team that thinks it should be able to win playoff games which means their quarterback going to have to be better than he was last year and i expect him to be better than it was last year. I hear you on your logic. And i'm inclined to agree because to a does have that experience but i do wanna flip it on his head just a little bit. I actually think mac is under more pressure. Considering that the backup has been completely eliminated from the organization. I mean yes. There are backups. There but cam. Newton was supposed to be the guy that would at least come in and be serviceable for this patriot squad. All eyes are on that and lately. He's going on radio feeling himself just a little bit if he comes out and stinks. This is going to be bad very very quickly. So i think that jones has a lot to prove in game one. My big question. On meg jones is whether he can move is he can play in today's nfl. Kenny thro well on the run. When teams are sending the house is is he toast or can you get out and make a play. I also know that bill belichick coach. Tom brady forever and he couldn't do any of that stuff. So i feel like this is a pretty good marriage right. And he'll turn the passing game into the running game. He won't let the pressure get to him. He'll do what he has to do. Okay but i still think to has more options. And i think too with brian. Florida's is a great marriage. If you remember last year a couple of times that dolphin's defense made life miserable. For some quarterbacks jared goff comes to mind kind of murray for two or three quarters was under duress at all times. And i think they can do the same victim jones so and this is one of those games where it's going to be reacted more to than most other games. Because of the quarterbacks. I'm just happy. The dolphins are big reacted to these days. And so yeah. I think at the end of this game. You're going to see to in a better spot. You're going to say man. This guy's got a good position with the defense and with that coach and bride flora's and with the game planning and it's going to be kind of similar to the situation in new england so and bride floor is is the guy off the ballot. Check tree that is so far seemingly bill belichick type of coach. So we'll see what that actually means. I know we're not talking about coaches. We're talking about quarterbacks. But i think too is best suited to have a better year than max jones's sees maga. Let me tell you this when you're a rookie. First round pick. They want you to do well. When you're a second year first round pick you better do will up next on. Hq what is better at tracking a ball a human or dog. Like i'm gonna go ahead and take the dog. I wanna see a soccer match full of dogs. I'm pretty sure you're not gonna get many handballs. 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Because if i keep going i'm just going to get into why tampa doesn't deserve all the sports success and they're going to hit me up on twitter so i'm just going to stop. Wow there's a rally clay the card. Nobody likes tampa. They're setting. Bush lady is worse. All right here we go. Oh wow into his. Daddy didn't even try to get the ball. It is a pesky little corner over there. But he had to say the height of that wall is intimidating. Like depending on where you run into it right. Because i not crashing. You know what i into that thing. I don't care what's on the other side subpoena his bank records at today. Do you question at this goal. Should count we are going to show you a free kick in h. Elaine soccer batch. Wow this dog beautiful header foul penalty of some sort. Clearly clearly offside but come on. I don't see a flag do you. That is a brilliant time to like. That it was beautiful. Sparky just nailed it right there. They just play. We ignore the dog. Just we're just gonna do this really well. Whatever we say. We're going to a soccer game in blank country. I had no telling what the scope and scale of this match is going to be like. I thought that there would be a stadium as opposed to a fence. I don't understand what the big deal about this. as like. what is better at tracking a ball a human or dog. Like i'm gonna go ahead and take the dog. I wanna see a soccer match. Full the dogs. I'm pretty sure you're not gonna get many handballs. You'll probably just get a bunch of really slick headers like sparky right there and see what you did is. Is there an air bud soccer version. I know he dabbled in other sports. But i can't remember if there was officially soccer. One big at all the dog sparky like his nineteen thousand seven. I don't know like we should bring back sparky for do you question if this rodeo clown did his job. We are going to a rodeo somewhere. That izzy is assuming is texas. Because i mean it's a good guess. 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US Open Re-Lived: Marat Safin 2000

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US Open Re-Lived: Marat Safin 2000

"Hi this is billie jean king. This is marion. Bartoli amass philander. This is mary carillo. Pam shriver rowing lleyton hewitt. This is yannick noah. And you're listening to the tennis podcasts breath. Hello folks we are back. We're back a little bit sooner than you might have expected us to be back. He knew that was possible because it is that time again it is tennis relived time. We have relived australian opens. We have relived. french opens we have relived wimbledon's and now it's time to relive to particular. Us opens this episode. Will take us back in time to the year. Two thousand remember when the year. Two thousand david and i know the answer to this question is very definitely. Yes felt like a sort of futuristic time a space age time and now it feels like ages ago. Yes yes it's when we started using the millennium had never used that before apart from win talking about star wars that. When did that happen. It's like it's like it's like well the pandemic lingo that we now that now just rolls off our tongue. When when did y2k become just common parlance. Well i do remember it. Come across my radar and me starting to look at all my technology devices and thinking so these things are just going to stop working immediately. What was your level of y2k. Fear david pretty heightened pretty heightened. Yeah i would say so. I just assumed i. I believed every word of it. Would you have taken a flight and been in the air because people threatening for planes to just cease to function and fall out of the sky at midnight on on january. First thousand probably left a few hours. Yeah well spoiler fakes. Everything was completely fine. What was your level of paranoia through. Oh i found it quite exciting. I i didn't think the world is going to end. And i think because when you're the age what what would i have been the team when you're that age everything's find isn't it. Everything's going to be fine. You just to see things might sort of rock you a little bit but basically everything will always be fine spoiler alert. That's not true. Either matt was in the world but wait. Remember anything of what we're talking about today. In fact matt compiled the list of things that happened in the itchy thousand to set the scene. None of which you remember matt. Do you remember the release of spinning around by kylie dental. Release now but i know the song you don't remember the scandal caused by her gold hot pants. Ni- don't remember that Do you remember ed. Craig david the first time around. The answer is not all of these. Did you visit the millennium dome. Yes i did. wasn't david. brilliant. Everybody's complaining about they will never. I thought it was wonderful when we my parents had a lovely. Everybody's slagging off i on a lovely time and then and and i admit i was sitting in their thinking. Great in arena. This would make then vision re david. The millennium bridge also opened tate. Modern it was the year of the sydney olympics. Of course still. I think one of the most successful an iconic olympics and weekend be really reliving. Mar safin's bowl career but in particular his run to the to the title in new because a twenty year old in two thousand but of course that year the olympics came off to the. Us open. didn't it because obviously if the australian climate but that was something that we touched on a little bit in our olympics relived episodes last year. Catch those in our in our back catalogue. Tiger woods won. Three of the four majors. That year. Which i wasn't following the time. I'm sure that felt monumental at the time. But i'd say twenty one years of hindsight makes that feel even more monumental. I'm blown away. Every time i look at tiger woods his stats engulf because they just so apart from anything else that anyone has been able to do since and then he won the first major of two thousand and one to hold or four in a row and that was before by the way anybody was doing the in tennis which is which is something them striking me. I remember what she an interview with him just after he won that final one the four and they said you know are you do you do. Are you a grand slam winner effectively. And he said well. I'm holding all four you know. And that was before. Serena won or four. It was before him obviously fatter in the dial and chocolate should come along and i remember getting very competitive on behalf of tennis when federal started to catch him up and eventually overtake him. Y- as you say. Matt nobody's anywhere near that level of dominance said that sound. Okay jack nicklaus has more in total but Yeah it's quite interesting. Isn't it to to compare all these years on sorry to load the tone but it was also the year if the first series of big brother which was a very big feature in my life at the time. I could probably still tell you most of the big brother and the order in which they exited the house. Yeah i loved it so much Brad pitt and jennifer aniston got married playstation two was released And of course it was. The george bush won the us presidential election defeating al gore. A better cost the fact that he wasn't actually known in confirmed until the in two thousand and one. I didn't think because the legal battles hanging chads in florida at need listen to ragged podcast series about all of that By slate if anybody wants to check it out. So we've permitted political podcasts. We've permitted golf tennis. What was merit staffan doing. In the a two thousand he was twenty years of age. He was born in moscow in january. One thousand nine hundred ninety. His father managed local tennis club where mary trained but he needed to move away from home at a young age to give himself a chance of being attendance player. Now this is something. I absolutely didn't know you know i feel like marat. Safin's career pretty closely tracked my first generation of tennis interest but he originally went to the bolletteri me in florida but nickel cherry chose marcello reels for scholarship instead of mar sutphin. It was at that point. The mar- softened went to went to train an academy in valencia. And of course became fluent in spanish. And i had no idea imagine having the choice between musalo real and mart softened in terms of raw talent. And i know that's a that's a full debate. According to a lotta people but roar natural talent it. I think it struggled to find two plays with a combined title greater than those day and i would struggle to pick between them if i debate voluntary's shoes. I mean they couldn't be wrong. Did he pick wrong. We was muslim. The rails parted part of the movement. Folks is going to come up a lot. Today was also part of the move. He was before the movement rice. He was part of the problem actually because he came along and was prodigiously talented but an absolute nightmare as a human being to deal with. I'm not saying he was without the chew but he was one of the most when he was the most difficult player i ever dealt with at the atp and that was in my time then he got to world war the public aware of that day. Gajah i mean he. There was a piece front covers. Sports illustrated with a picture of him and the headline the most hated man in tennis. And and the whole article was about how difficult to deal with. And i've gotten quotes. David could've done a secret. Secret sauce wasn't but i you know i'm not saying i wouldn't have done because of a i mean i certainly have a lot of tales from time dealing with marceta arrest funny enough. We've got kafelnikov. Today's podcast talking about marriage. Southern you've kenny was also very very difficult to do it for me at that time and yet now post career. He couldn't be nicer and he couldn't be more helpful but At any most of the rails has changed much and you've kafelnikov with blessing very much. A part of the reason that people were desperate for the movement right. Yeah yeah there was a there was a period of time. And we're probably about to into one now as well. Where you between generations and pete sampras and andre agassi were the rivals of the time and everybody was talking about that for good six or seven years and then you got to a stage where agassi had had disappeared from view. You'd had that that incredible year ninety-five he'd won olympic gold ninety six and then he disappeared and in one thousand nine hundred thousand. Nine hundred. eighty really wasn't a factor and at that point. Really you've got pat rafter. The us open. But you'd also got call us moya kafelnikov and players like that who beat quota was successful winning stuff but they weren't cereal winners and it was difficult to to build a real narrative about things and and when inverted commas the movement came along and we talked about in the early two thousands that was there was a big advertising campaign which sam safran was front and center called noodles. Please and they lines. Was he a head of for the initials. Please lineup where we see. The one federal was on on the outskirts yes. He's not because he had done more winning well he'd won because of this. Us open that. We're about to describe and cover because And i think i might have said before. He was a bit miffed. That federal was even in that lineup because federal hadn't done anything that was his view. You know him me and curtain and light and here we've won stuff was his few. We've won major titles. Who's this this guy. Yeah he's talented but in donating was his view And i mean to be honest. He was right. It was all about potential. But then i should say before we get into any of this that our guest editor for this episode is james meredith. Who is very hopefully and very ably guided. I was gonna say our hands with the research but actually it is all down to david. David winton into interviewing overdrive this episode. There was a period of about seven hours. Where david must have had some red bull or something because he just disappeared disappeared for came back and said i've done twenty-seven we're all set to go for the saf episode. I hope you've done all the research. So yes thank you very much today. Matt and james meredith feel help with guiding the upset and with choosing the eighty thousand safran. Let's say from the first people that we're gonna hear from in this episode one of one of david's many entities. This is chris clarry if the new york times of course remembering the first moment that he saw merit zaphon and his talent and he says he instantly sort of future world number one. I mean. I've only had that number one for sure. Feeling watching men's players twice first timers with murat ninety eight french when he came out of the woodwork and beat agassi and and and was basically. His game was next level with the double handed. Backhand leaping guys six foot four. He could run like a deer had power from everywhere. Big serve huge swagger charisma. I just watched them planes. That's number one. He will be number one. And as it turned out the other guy was roger federer when i was signing planned basel two thousand one in davis cup against us so i was right in both cases. I gotta say but obviously mariah didn't last very long. I've forgotten whether it was a couple of weeks or one week or would it turned out to be and it was in two thousand. Which was the year when they had that crazy system with the points race. Where where you didn't really give those who reached the top of the fifty two week ranking their proper and they were using using the year along points race instead like formula one so at the time when murat actually hit that spot on the computer there was no celebration of it. It was only post-facto so he kind of got hurt. Sheriff there but for me. Miranda really had everything. He was had tall. The most of the players. In that era at six foot four he was he was really mobile for a big guy and it was considered big at that time had such amazing power and ability to do damage from all different parts of the court. I think he could volleyed pretty well. It wasn't a great volume but he was effective when he came forward and he was confident in had an all court game in that sense and he was just couldn't take your eyes off when you watch them so for me. Wanna talk about in. The master is that we always think of roger sort of being predestined for greatness. Perhaps there was a bit of predestination there but there are other guys around him also like they had all the tools and they didn't make it so i was try- and i use maradas of the big example of all the things that could happen to roger in some way because roger was also very volatile as a young man. He had trouble with his emotions as we all know it lasted longer than people. Remember one of the matches it help. Roger chain was imagine rome against morad actually when they both were just yelling and cursing tossing rackets around and sort of just looking miserable on the court and roger watching a video of that match afterward. And saying i'm not sure if the image i want to project to the world i wasn't the end of his behavior but it was definitely contributing to it and mirant. Never never had that you know. Come to the mountain moment. He was never able to really control his temporary his emotions for very long. And you know on a point level yet. A lot of baggage to i mean. He left home very very young from russia. Kind of shopping around for a place to work game. His mother was a tennis very tennis player. One of the best in former soviet union. She coached him but he needed to get outside the country during times of trouble to get good and he basically left home pretty much for good fourteen thirteen and i talked to him for the book and talk a lot about the actually and how really it was traumatic for him and that was definitely part of the reason why i think he lacks some of that court confidence of course ability. It can make you grow up faster. It's true and give you strength but it can also deprive us some of that feeling of insecurity so morad is a fascinating case. Was if anybody listening to this too young to remember him. Hey youtube right away. That was aimed at you. Matt basically my life mater m. p. s. next time you'll picking your family usual and tipping them. Sixers definitely run. Imposs- chris clarry first hundred percent strike rate on predicting world number one. I mean he's definitely go to conservative policy with predicting. But it doesn't do one hundred fifty podcasts year. After my prediction every single one it is amazing to hear merit sophon two time grand slam champion. And former world number-one merit sophon being talked about is the counterfactual for roger federer. And all the success. He's had but that is the level of talent and potential that merit safran at right that i think unanimously the tennis world. Consider him an underachiever. Yes in strict. Tell in terms. I would definitely say that he. He could do it all he. He was a next generation player. He didn't we'd know we'd never really seen anything next generation day. Yeah the movement era. But i know what i mean. I mean this. This chat was was the real thing. From the first time you saw him And is the first time you saw him. It would be ninety eight. It would have been the davis cup and would be the the matches that chris references when he first saw him as well shortly around the same period and i mean he was he was colty she was there was a a use to him even though he was six five and chips old and he was that kind of. Oh my god look at him. He looks like somebody's invented him out of out of comic book in a real. Just the perfect physical specimen he looked like and yet he still had back and he still had this fluidity on his strokes and he was hitting incredibly hard at the same time. I mean just no. Weaknesses were obvious and And yet he was going bananas between points. And you know you're you're trying to work out. Well how. Can you ever get this balance. And i ended the finance close to this. Podcast that is. That was his internal struggle. That was part of what held him back. Really and but in terms of talent yet two grand slam titles isn't underachievement wherever you in ninety eight david we working. Atp at this point. I joined the atp sort of ninety eight and Yeah i mean. I i came across him probably for the first time in two thousand actually really to deal with a lot but he was being talked about a lot and went when he when he had his big grandson right through it. Gone one of those situations where he had the bright through ninety-eight where he's on everybody's radar and everybody's talking about him then he just disappeared he just he just couldn't put it all together. He couldn't transition at all and then he figured it out and it all happened in two thousand so there was a gap between the two. Well you were. You were an early adopter. Of course david a movement a movement evangelist but of course there were people that were aware of him well before them and one of them was his compatriot. You've found the cough who had already won a grand slam title by by nine hundred ninety eight. Let's hear from from kafelnikov. I met him break. Kiss him and You know truce impression was you know what a what a talent what a talent and a lot of perspective for their. He's older teammates. And listen. you know which is was quite the you know surprising because you know all they will the i seems to me that they act like they know everything but he was. He was the guy who who was who was willing to listen any any advice. And that's what's the was. You know quite quite an impressive. Very impressive and i mean. His role results happened quite quickly. Didn't they i remember. He had some great results in in ninety eight as a tennis player. As somebody who you were the very top of the game at that time. How how good was he that age. I mean how. How quickly did it happen. He's he's mitch in atlanta when we played usa in davis cup after strong When he had the courier ruin his robes and You know he played agassi. He was two sets to love against scooter in in that match. Which is which would have won. Gone to throw the you know he was eighteen years old and probably they experience Didn't help them get through that much. But from that point on we we all knew that the great results in great success heath career about will come was doubtful. Yeah it's and it certainly did happen. Ah looking at that two thousands. Usa open I mean he. He thrashed pete sampras in the file he beats a look. Look to the goal Just just before that. That thing all happened okay. We all know that the two thousand was the best. She's in his career. I'm question of the. He wants seven tournaments the week in the studio. He started to work with Was under just the and i think flayed huge stroll into sort of mobilizing him Mentally infected That they should twin. I'm in a winning the barscelona majorca than i think. He made the final in hamburg. But just a great results came along after the started. A relationship loves me told by getting kafelnikov but he. He was quite glad he did that. You know he brought me back to memories. That i'd i'd forgotten really of that periods in the spring of two thousand which is is when i met and worked with matt safm in this transition period for him. He'd had these terrible results started to thousands would five first-round losses and he'd he'd been beaten by a chant call grant. Stafford was four hundred seventy two in the world at the australian open. He lost in straight sets according to his fifteen centimeters tool for some reason. They've got six foot high the wrong way round got zero six but what what was happening. I mean i think san even in that match. I think he was. I think he got a fine for lack of effort as well. And i mean that's that's pretty serious. This is the guy everybody's hyping up everybody's talking about. He's got this unlimited well of talent. He's got the perfect physique and yet he's he's just not putting it in. He's not producing a mess. Really all over the place. And i remember arriving to the tournament in new york in the spring that year and he just started working as as kafelnikov was talking about it started. What can we do. We don't chesnokov himself a former grand slam semi-finalist who spent a week with him. They went to bacelona saf in one tournament in barcelona and arrived to to me ornamental watching that bacelona final walston new yorker and kind of assumed that then is going to pull out of me orca because he's just one barcelona what he didn't iraq the next day and and i was at the stage of my career with the i mean my third year where i'm getting a bit bored of just going into the tournaments and experienced in them. I wanted to do what we're doing right now to get some stories on into sort of stew some interviews south all right. I'm going to interview marriage often. So i put it all in the media notes. You know give it out to everybody. I went and interviewed him and he told me about how he about. His inner about is right and how he broke. He'd counted the number rackets that he broken in the last year and it was well over forty during the course of matches condemn and then i spoke to chesnokov shortly afterwards for the same pace. I mean he was one of the most interesting guys. I think i've ever interviewed in tennis. And he saw things so clearly in in relation to safran he was it was. It was like somebody who if had given him an ounce assassins talent what he could have done with it and it was like this was his opportunity to show that and he started he just helped safran see the court and say the matches and he refused to accept anything other than one hundred percent efforts and all the excuses that safran of come up with e wasn't here in them. He wasn't having it at all and safm when and when we offer as well so he won barcelona minorca. He reached a fine in hamburg and and he was often running. I mean that relationship didn't last very long. I suspect that chesnokov's straight-talking eventually did for him really as a as a coach execution relationship. But i think is impact on him was profound as reading up on that. And it's it's quite interesting to seven Before working with chesnokov was working with rafael mencia. Who had been his coach since he was thirteen. And and he said like father and son you know we. We loved each other. But we're getting to the point where i was just saying f you and he was saying f you. May we needed a change. And chesnokov wasn't actually telling me anything that different he was just. I needed to hear it from someone else and what i needed to hear was uh needed to fight and stuff and said i was losing six in the second-set so many times before then and i looked it up. He lost to andreas vinci. Gareth six three six love in copenhagen. He does the nicotine. Six two six love and indian wells. And you'll still get them. Gowdy seven six six love in monte carlo is just wow he's just sort of tanking these second-set you'd be developing a massive reputation at that point surely so he needed to hear it from chechnya coffee gets himself together on on the clay and then as as david set this. This coaching situation did kind of remain in the state of flux. Chesnokov leaves Tenny picard comes on board during the grouse but then he leaves and alexander. Volkov is with him during the summer hardcourt season. Stephens asked at this point whether he needs a full-time coach. And he says well not disciplined enough. I get bored too easily. And then when asked why coaches don't stay with him for a long time he he sort of cheekily said yeah. I can't understand it you you gotta spend twenty four hours with me. That should be really hard to resist. Shouldn't it and that's kind of his personality and character coming through and then just as david said. He was getting this reputation for smashing rackets. He claimed to have smashed. Forty eight in one thousand nine hundred nine an by two thousand and he's he's on the same pace again he sort of keeping count and keeping up with it and i found an article from johm worth. I'm saying that the atp it actually relaxed its rules on racket-abuse the time on the grounds that it promotes color among the players and Matt cepheids it. That's the way it should be. I'm not like stephan hedberg. i'm not robot. i'm an individual. Who gets mad. And if i break a racket. Who does it really hurt. And you know just as we've said this was around the time when the new booze please campaign was launched and that i think the game of safm and also the personality put him front and center of it An article in on saddam written by diane ceo in two thousand says. Maybe you've seen the ads the black and white photos chisel-faced tennis players gripping records and gladiator like poses. But unless you're a serious tennis fan these athletes in hewitt safran forero tommy. Haas might not register as hot up and coming stars. Men's tennis desperately needs to change the two brightest lights of the games old-guard agassi and sampras are aging and no one else on the men's tour has achieved magnitude of a pail. The problem is particularity in the united states. Where tenants already overshadowed by other sports and tv audiences tend to tune in any big names smashing serves so there was this attempt to kind of celebre ties the next generation and they came up with this new balls. Please slogan agassi. Diplomatically commented. That it's good tr- introduce the plans to the public or the public to the playas. But sampras said they could probably find the better slogan and just in of that. I think we kind of arrive at toronto in two thousand which is a big week for. The newborn was pleased campaign and the movement because matt seven wins the title. And he hates pete sampras in the quarterfinals six four three six and then twelve ten in a final set tiebreak and malivai washington is commentating for espn and he says this is a major changing of the guard. It shows that these young guys onto frayed to take on the big guys because obviously quite a sweeping statement. You know for a whole generation of players but i think was probably quite accurate in terms of sophon he. He sort of lost his any fair. He had that day. We'll oversee cohen's talks about what he did in the two thousand. Us open final over such defining feature of that finally seven sort of playing without fear. I think so being the toronto champion. What was his status going into the. Us open was it. Was it like when undress went. Usa pin two years ago. Sort of everybody thinking said of the heads telling them surely she can't be a favor of this title. She didn't know who she was a year ago. But my is saying is telling me that she was it like that being about maybe as an improbable contender. I would say an improbable. An improbable contend. Yes maybe my memories. Playing tricks on me. I kind of felt with andress goo. That felt more likely as when we were on the brink when we were coming into the us. Open the level of form. She was in his well. She shown some reliability in terms of doing it several times winning winning big matches coming through in three centers which often it did feel like a hot streak and probably going to end in that. That's there was. There was a lot of hope. I would say because i was working for the atp. At the time. I was hoping activity hoping that. This guy would bright through and do it. All hewitt might so federa- was always the one. I really wanted to do it. Because of having same two years previously insane all towns and he wasn't doing anything in terms of breaking through and i to james mattis questions was. What was french federal doing in two thousand that you're siphon and we we we recalled he. He lost ferraro. It was a real new balls. Please matchup as as they called it but then and it was. I think it went all the way but you know. Federal got beaten in that final satin and that was what he was like. Which safran i think there was a lot more hope but i mean frankly he he. He didn't actually stop very well in that. Us tool yet well john. I'm in his preview. Pace said the safran stamina and heat seeking baseline missiles. Place him on a short list of viable contenders. But i you know. I think we'll look people. Were looking at samples right. It just just broken. The men's grand slam record wimbledon. His his i think fifth. Us open title. He's kinda the favourite but yeah it's quite a wild start to the. us open. Cassava quetta is the number two seed and he he loses to wane off his qualifying round one and number one seed. Andre agassi loses to honor. Clem oh six three six two six four round two so that really opens up those sections of the droll. And then just as david said safran is is having his own struggles in in the first round these pushed for two hours and fifty minutes in a four set win over teary guatemala. And then in the second round. He needs three hours. Eight minutes and five sets to overcome the oldest man in the draw thirty five year. Old italian gianluca pozzi policy owner doesn't know he jessica. Polcy is david which is very much of its time. Actually potsy was the classic slow bowler. He sliced backhands all day. And just sort of push the ball around matt. Safin's worst nightmare. Raylene there's an opponent head to head. Yeah the yeah the fabric santoro kind of prelude with gianluca pozzi and then in round three is the most dramatic match of the mall against sebastian. Grosjean and safm wins the first to set six four seven six. He wins the opening game of the third. Set he then loses nine games in a row including losing his serve four times in a row and grow john levels the match at two sets. All it's of those two inexplicable safm moments and people are thinking it's happened again. He's coming on form but that sort of weakness he's got his has raised its head and he suddenly in a fifth set. We grow gendreau. Sean goes up a break in the fifth set and gives it back but then at four thirty fifteen in the fifth set. There's a eighty five minute rain delay. They return it goes to a tie-break and safran leads five. Four in that tiebreak does then another rain delay this one lasting an hour and forty five minutes and they have to come back. Grosjean wins the first point. When the comeback it's five ohl in the final set tiebreak both of them two points away from victory. Seven then hits four hammerton when a and then wraps it up on his own. Serve in the next point scrapes through. And there's this story that in the rain delays seven had to borrow some kate correct. That's what i read is. What ahead was the yet to borrow. Shorts off on player socks of another and the person we read that he was born the socks from jeff. Tarango ask jeff that true. Yeah david you're absolutely right. Merit salvation came up to me and said i need your socks. I'm like what are you talking about. And he goes. I forgot my saux. I have a pair. Your socks and i was like yeah. Sure he's everybody says you have the best socks as a okay. Have a pair of my socks. You went out and won. His match came back graciously. Tried to give them back to me. I said no those socks and supercars from the us open said. I watch those forty to make sure those like you socks. Go all the way and they did. He won the us open with those socks. Lot of questions to be asked about the phrase. Everyone says you've got the best salt. Is that something that people gossiping about in the locker room. I say it was public knowledge. Lease outside of the locker room. I wasn't too oven really aware of the The quality of jeff tarango. But we are the fats there. I love the he wasn't he wasn't prepared to accept. Just any old soaks. He went off to the best soaks. I would be in such a panic mode bin bags on my feet if required but now he's gonna sold the best soaks in tennis berlin and it worked out for him yet and then from that point onward stephens run to the final is is most forward. He thrashes one carlos forever. Who has as we've said it taken out. Which ephedra he then beats. Nicolas kiefer in the quarterfinals in four sets and then a straight sets win over taught martin in the semifinal was an after that match mountain said it seemed as though he was laughing at me. Merit has so much game. He makes shots that five or ten years ago. People would laugh at and says just taking baseball swings. It's awesome to see the shots. He can especially as a big guy stretching across his body flicking but hitting angles. It's amazing he says. This is a way better player than pete sampras was ten years ago. Pete was a relative unknown who played a stupendous tournament. They sky among the few who know. The spoilt is not unknown. Well that's that's a great series of quotes his name and i really tight that point about the baseball swings because having watched just a bit of the footage of the final he's taken full swings against members. I serves any of these. He's middling them he's making them. He was making pete sampras. Kind of doubt the game that it that it one twelve grand slams up to that point wasn't he because he was just drilling these these back. And somehow i mean. I've i've watched highlights maybe four hundred minutes it out. But somehow he managed to get the ball on his back and the whole time. I just. i've just watch half. An hour of hidden emitting nothing but perfect by cans. Minnie's just either drilling these. These returns just as clean witness. Oh deep that sampras competitor racket on them or if san francisco volume drilling his fate just relentlessly with this lays alike power and precision. He looked befuddled numberous. Something always thinking. I safran and i noticed that in this match as well the racket just looked so small in his hand you know. Some positive loved that racket around and sort of struggle to hit through the coal with him. You know he's like the poster boy for easy pow it all just flows from that racket and just shoots off his strings and yeah the way takes take back is like a baseball swing just teeing off and i mean his background must be one of the best of back cans in terms of it being a weapon. The has ever been you know. Maybe maybe some people have defended better on the backhand side but as for point ending. Show sophon's backhanders extraordinary. And maybe on the face of it. You know world number seven. That's just one toronto. A k he's the underdog going into that final but it shouldn't be a shocking as it was for the world number seven and toronto champion. But it was. It was the manner in which he did it was destruction. it was fee. Some tennis from from from from our in and mary carillo was in the books that night and she was taken aback by what happened as everybody else normally when p took court against just about anybody. He was the imposing presence. You know he was the consummate athletes and he. He played big. He moves so beautifully he took charge of the court and he just never did that. Safran ethin- who was bigger was stronger. Held court better Pete was trying to sir molly and time and again he got past He tried to aim at safin's backhand which i always thought safin's backhand was one of the most underrated in the modern game it was beautifully composed. He struck the ball. So cleanly merit stephens one of those guys when he played like that the match sounded different. Like and pete hit a pretty big ball but when merit seven hit that day it sounded different. It sounded bigger. Sort of how. One martine potros ball used to come off his strings. It had a he just put the thump on it and early on you again. It was unusual for to be kind of flat in that championship match. Because he always thought of history. And you never got that sense from saf. As great as his talents were his gifts. Were you never thought that. He was trying to make history. And pete always seemed to be thinking in those ways. So you know you again. I you okay. The first goes by all right. Well you know pizza gonna clears throat and start you know holding serve and and looking for were looking for breaks and he just. I don't think even now if you ask. Pete what what the hell was that i think he would just. He would just say the same things he said after that match like. I didn't think he could play. That will for for that long. So that's how kind of the the neutral onlooker viewed that merits often performance. That that night in new york we we speed to sampras. We do keep trying. We'll get him. We'll get him at some point. David will relive the ninety s with pete sampras at some point in the tennis relief feature but david hus bacon into his coach that night. Paul annacone about his experience of watching his charge and the moment that he realized that was. That was a problem for pete out that i knew who was unbelievably talented and clearly. No you don't get to a final of a major by luck by virtue of locks still. I knew he played some good tennis. But i also knew he was playing. You know. it's pretty confident in my guy. Pete was pretty good in the big matches. I actually felt was safran. Look the guy so unbelievably gifted mariah. You don't ever really know what you're going to get. And i think that's why you know. He was ranked number one in the world. And that's why you know the all time greats and the rest of the players generally didn't wanna see him on the other side of the net because he didn't have any glaring weaknesses and he was one of the first guys that was you know six four six five that i remember. That was an amazing athlete at at that stage and was able to move so comfortably with his hide around the tennis court all the little subtle movements who was He was so comfortable at so you know he was kind of. I think one of the beginnings of a new rain a very pretty tall tennis glares who are incredibly athletic as well so That being said i felt comfortable. You know it. With pete. And i never expected you know southbound to come out like you played for the whole. The whole three sets. Impeding street sets straight-sets new as a like okay. it's gonna have always gonna. He's going to have a lull and you never did. When did you realize you've got a problem in the coaching box. Watching that match kind of after the second set you know in three to five sets. And i just felt like i was waiting for a lull and and there hadn't been yet so when you see two solid sets like that you kind of start to go. He's pretty ready for this. But then i just wondered maybe in the third set finished approached. Would he have any hiccups. And i'll tell you he was pretty amazing that he really you know he just kept playing and let you know and to me. That's hard to do. Especially against someone. Like pete when you know if you give them a little bit of an opening. It's going to be a long day so it was really amazing to watch. How did pete fail about it. Afterwards and oversee aside from disappointment. I know that he would he. He would have an expectation or a history of other matches and then he comes off the court. Not having one is set against the guy. Yeah you know. One of the things that i found and i still find it. So mazing about people like pete and roger was like this is their perspective about winning and losing you know even big matches their disappointment But there's also just kind of pragmatism. You know the ability to be able to go yet. You know i lost today in the guy was either too good or i didn't play great or whatever it was but the processed it really kind of a healthy way They can put their You know competitive blinders in the cabinet and sure they know their greek competitors but also you lose sometimes and so i think pete i think pete at a pretty good perspective abell that he'd beat them at the open a couple years earlier but they'd had a bunch of really tough matches. So i knew pete you know would handle it with you know with grace and frustration disappointment but also i get it you know. Sometimes you lose so. He's always impressed. Me with that stuff was a disappointment. But there was a lot of pragmatism in-involved. So i think he understood. He lost guy played really well on a big stage. I would also add to that not to not to correct paul annacone. Who was there. I mean all that is obviously absolute detroit but i as was watching the the highlights of the two thousand final. This morning of fell down a you. Cheap cheap robert hole in and the next video that was played to me was the usa semifinal of the following year between pete sampras and soften the the rematch and pete sampras will not in a very close three sets and his celebration of to woods with quite something actually. It was really emotional. There was a load of relief that he was pretty in. Safin's face with the respectfully so but it you know that that revenge meant something to him. so yes he might have been very pragmatic about it in the moment. But i don't think that meant it didn't hurt and it didn't stick with him and he didn't have a point to make the following year for sure. That's i haven't seen the footage reference. I remember watching the match live and that now rings a bell but no totally adds up. What you've said these sorts of champions take it as a personal slight. And he's got such pride sampras and he was humiliated that nine in two thousand t- he's in the final. His record in finals was thirteen one to lost grand slam level. And he's he's getting embarrassed really by a twenty year old in front of his own fans the the people that have been watching him dominate the us open for the last decade and win so many titles and yeah he and we in the media were writing off. That's the thing people were starting to have those conversations that we've all been having five years about federal doubt and andy murray is when you're gonna stop you done you finished. And of course Lost to federer at wimbledon the new bulls as they were being cold. Were coming along and moving out. That's how that's how the narrative was being developed and this that was his opportunity to say. No it's kind of the perfect champion mentality isn't it to recognize i think in san francisco He got steamrolled by safran in that euro saipem final of two thousand and to accept that but to also take it personally and use it as fuel for the future. You know. e- seems to have got that balance. Just right and just saying david is fascinating. How off the two thousand. Us open final. You'd think safran is the one on the rise. The one gonna be hyped. Some presents the one whose best days of his career behind him off that. Us open final. They won the same number of grand slams. One more each which is kind of amazing to think about when you consider whether they were in that moment sampras figured out winning didn't they winning bake major tournaments and saffi one two slams penny of other things but he he wasn't a serial winner in the same way. That empress was just a just as a quick one as well. By the way the next match in two thousand one sampras would play in. The final was against lleyton hewitt which he would lose in straight-sets also so they were there were creeping up. They were catching him and he and he knew it. And this hisses raging against it every now and he would he would do that and Of course the following after that sampras would finally win another grand titles win the two thousand and two your soap and that was the last wherever sorghum. David you spoke to getting kafelnikov about that final and you go to very interesting and surprising perspective on what happened to be honest. I think pete had too much a respect for which was fine. You know the the was winning do like a like. I said it was winning. Titles he was beating the very best players. Already at the age of twenty. And i think ma. Beautifully played the best match or one of the medicine piece korea. It's no question why. I think pete is just the overestimate murad. The ability and the mother took advantage. You know he played solely the the retorted. Well he played without fear. You know obviously everyone who goes on the center according to the us open against sampras field. Feels the few know to me. Pete sampras if if not the best player in the one by one of the best players in the world the played our gig nope no question. That kamara definitely deserves the title. The way he was playing at the time. I don't know about you but one thing i do. Not like is long lines at grocery stores and that is why i use hellofresh. Hellofresh gives you fresh premeasured ingredients and mouth-watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door so you can skip the trips to the grocery store because life is too short for that and count on hellofresh to make home cooking. Easy fun and affordable. And that's why america's number one meal kit so why hellofresh. 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What was the reaction david of the tennis world and maybe even the world beyond tennis to that win how how much merit sophon elevated in in public consciousness after that. How much did the world sit up and take notice because kisii as you described him as a good looking guy wasn't a he had charisma. Ev you. It was clear to see sort of used out of him. Didn't he was. He was the full package while he was the one that they that they wanted. Really he was the answer to all prayers in so many different ways of this this guy because he was fun he was funny. He was interesting you know. He turned tad's wherever wherever he wins. And he had this this game that could just take on all. Comers i define fascinating kafelnikov having this theory sampras overestimated you know. Maybe that's something that happens to great champions. They stopped to fear. What's coming But i remember imire all role time time working for the i remember one journalists saying to me. Don't you get you get your teeth into this merit. Sophon don't meaning. Don't try to smooth out his rough edges. Don't try to media train him. I mean i took that as an insult. Because that's just not my wife. Doing things. adult more outspoken. The are more rougher on the edges. They all the better. I just wanted to real the full package. The real the real item the raw signs. That packages marcella rails. Well okay get that one. Well actually although. I did argue once. I remember being in a marketing. Meeting about marcella reassess if he wants to promote it as the bad guy. Let's just do it. Let's take him the darth vader of the tool. That's fine by me. What we have to say is a good guy. He's not anyway Sophon though was a good bloke but there was such an edge to him and he was. I remember him going on the david letterman. Show straight after the night after winning that. us open. And i've just been watching some of the footage back so funny because he's so young you know and honestly he looks a bit drunk to be honest and unless a man system highly plausible that he was a bit drunk letterman system. All you a bit drunk and he says to. What did you celebrate. We'd last night. And he said vodka. And i remember this. I think he actually came into the press. Cohen san with vodka after winning the tournament and clearly had a night. He they did look a bit bleary eyed and slurry. In the way he was talking about very very entertaining. And that's but he can carry that off. I mean his his english was limited really and yet the look in his eye the way he would just carrying himself he communicate even though his english is not time was really limited and and yeah there was no real hopes that this guy was gonna be. I suppose what others have become an taken his place really in the generation that we have today but obviously i'm anne giving that as an on look at from somebody who worked on kind of the other side on the public relations side. It's interesting to get a view. From a couple of the media members. They covered safm back. Then chris clarry america huila. They're always the ones we we gotta to in situations like this. Let's hear what they have to recall of what merit safran was like for them to deal with loved him. He was spontaneous off the cuff unpredictable. And i don't think he'd be very much. I don't think he gave his full disclosure about his finances or some of the issues with his stuff off court in terms of the incidents like that but talking about his rivals and his own limitations and other people's imitations he was he was great. Wasn't always you know. Great on the page. Because sometimes his english didn't always scan translate directly to a great quote quote verbatim. Spirit was there. He was charming. Great looking guy very charming. He had a temper but he was kind of funny about it. Most of the time and his game was just when he played well as he did at the two thousand five australian open as he did in the two thousand. Us open final. Against pete when he really was at the top of his game it was he made it look unfairly easy. You know so. It was a very attractive game. I was watching a dressage at the recent tokyo olympics. And somebody said something that was so interesting Talking about the horses if there is an insistence on obedience from the horse's they get discouraged. You know you can break him. Wow that's that's really understandable. You know and. I think that's kind of what murat was like. You know he was this thoroughbred you could see you could see how he glistened but i think if you tried to hard to make him try hard. It was probably a mistake. The holes comparison. We didn't know we needed but we definitely did. We did it. So so what happened next. We suffered then he. He should have been number one off that usa win but the the quirky ranking system which i think was i applied for that one year. I think it was. It was agreed that that was a disaster and suffolk. Would it be fair to say. Safm is kind of the main victim of that disasters. Absolutely stitched up. I'm afraid and i i'm as culpable as anybody else. I was working for the acp at the time and they came up with this idea that the the ranking system was problematic because sometimes apply would go up when they've just lost because of the defending of points from the previous year and all this sort of stuff and So they decided they wanted to have points rice from zero every year. Like the formula. One i thought this was a great idea. I didn't wired. And until until february santoro dohar and was suddenly being talked about as well in the belong five race. But that's what was happening and it was people were up in arms about it and and i was arguing with everybody about it. I thought it was a really good idea. And then suddenly we got to the end of the year and matt safm was on what we know is the ranking system. He became world number-one just ahead of the effectively. The atp finals which was that year being held in lisbon. And we as the pay what told not to knock this in any way not to celebrate it not to promote it because the real number one was going to be crowned at the end of this tournament in lisbon. That's how how it was going to work. And it was this points rice. And i'm afraid i've been brainwashed because i went along with this and i thought it was okay. It's on in years since that. I realized that the game is doing itself a disservice and and the game also realized because the next year we weren't doing them turn year but poor on marriage. Saffy never got his moment. Never got it marked and fantastic tournament to listen ensued. Cassava curtain managed to beat both pete sampras and dragon back to back in semifinal to overtake safm so great story in that regard and it was wonderful scenes but you had effectively two number ones crowned in the same week in any one of them recognized and it was in hindsight. It was bad idea. Wow the injustice. He reached three migrants them finals and he did get back to number one didn't he And that was that montana he was never there for an it was nine weeks in total was an he had a two or three sort of two or three weeks pels. Did he do with their kind of ovidiu fanfare commission being previously show. Supposed the was but it was still when you think about it. Now when you think of the fuss we've made about players get into world. Milwaukee he was he was let down really by the body. Atp by the game. At that time. I think. I mean i don't think he's i think he was hurt. The time at the end of two thousand. I think it hurts. That he knew he'd got to number one and done all this work. And it wasn't guessing recognize that But still to stick him on the front of a poster to make him front and center of a whole marketing campaign and for him to be the one that delivers on it. You know for the. I am the bull you're welcome and then and then for them to to show off to is. I can imagine that being incredibly hurtful actually legis look they did it in a well-meaning yeah it attempt to promote the sports they just got it wrong. I'm afraid so we'll three. If the the grand slam the further grand slam finals he he would reach. Were in australia. In two thousand and two he looks to thomas johansson of course in one of the most memorable grand slam finals ever for all the weirdest reasons i would say fair and i think i was probably just a bit too young to fully comprehend the subtext to what the various commentators and pundits were saying about the composition of martin. Softens play box and his co. behaviors during that tournament But i suspect you'd david with with very away Of what was going on what people were. Were implying yes. There were several women sitting in his plan box and well. I don't know the full details of who they were for what sort of relationship he had no show eat it either but yeah they were. They were getting talked about a lot and stay. Were they didn't seem too bothered about the fact that all the cameras were on them at all and and he was getting talked about. I can't completely remember how all covered at the time personally. But i just remember him showing up and tell me played plumbing well but matt safm was in a different league to hanson in terms of ability and he was the overwhelming favourite for that fine on the feeling was that he really wilson really wasn't focused. We not talking about three. Women sort of dotted around his players. Folks they were sitting shoulder to shoulder when they from fronton centered like like the the three in beauty and the beast the three sort of chorus ladies that are sort of doing a very buxom cancan. That's that's what it reminded my very innocent childhood brain of the ladies. That loved gaston and sophon was gaston anyway. He didn't. he didn't win that australia night. Been final mary. Mary tells the story that that moment reminded her of a similar but different experience. She had with vitas carolina's at madison square out several years before where he rushed up to her. With a with a lotta tickets and said look you need to put these at the box office with these names and everything and then the macs develops and mary looks around and she realizes that there are these women sitting in the four different corners of the stadium. They're the people that leads to scare lighters at got the tickets for but he was but he kept them all apart in the stadium and marriages says seven just had them all in the player box at once he then reached the australian open final in two thousand and four. He lost to federer of the beating under and andy roddick on reet to that. Fine what would you. would you remember that. David was amazing that that was an incredible run. Because again he'd been written off by this point as yesterday's man ready somebody who's got all this talent but is just not not delivering on it. Really you still in the early twenties but it felt like it felt like he just got the wrong acid shoot and then suddenly he got it all together that week. Agassi was playing brilliantly and he beat him. I think he made him in five sets Debate roddick when roddick was coming off. Having won the us open In two thousand and three was the world number one was roddick. He was bringing on my word intensity of that match. That night i remember commentating on it and to watch safin's step up to two roddick and take on that and take on the forehand and just still have just a little bit too much for him. When he was at the top of his game that showed. I mean in the final. I think Federal was at his very best and safran was a bit spent to be honest in that final. But that was we had a number snapshots of merit safm throughout. His career is really what we ended up with. We didn't end up with runs and momentum. A lot of these wins. Felt like they didn't have an awful lot of meaning because they were isolated but when he turned it on he was a match for the mall and he comes back the following australian open any any wins it. And yes he he beats slain hewitt in straight sets in the final nuts pretty straightforward. But but really i think we all remember the semifinal if that much studies one of my favorite much is of all time sophon beating veteran nine seven in the fifth in in that semifinal whereas in previous australian hit had a huge winds in the run up to the final and had failed to to complete the job as it were he did it. He did it this time. He did it against the home favourite. He completely outclassed emmy produced his best when it mattered. And yeah i mean. It's it's a shame. I think that he wasn't able to do that more. But i'm glad he did it on that one on one occasion in australia. That performance against federal in the semifinal is outstanding. I mean. I think it'd be tough to choose between the two thousand. Us open final and semifinal in your strain open in terms of safin's best performance In a federal won every grand slam on a hawk. Oh anna grass goal in two thousand four two thousand and five thousand six in two thousand seven apart from this one. This is peak roger federer and he gets to match point and he he plays a tween which i think he regrets and he could have hooked up a allow but basically the toto and matt safm bates him and there were very few. It did that to russia fedor. It's the tween a cautionary tale The other point is forever. Memorable is the match point in which he finished it because safran had several chances several points that he didn't take and he was. he was getting rattled. He was nervous. He was choking to be honest and fetters making him choke and then suddenly on this final one. He just goes for broke with that backhand down the line and it knocks federal physically off his feet in his attempts to get to the bull. Because he's been wrongfooted it's totally low percentage stroke. You know it's not something you really should be going for at this stage in a tense moment. And he goes for bright to over the high part of the net with a backhand when he's outside the tramlines any nails it as pure as you like and federal even with his elasticity movement moves to it but stumbles and ends up on his back. Get it gets the ball back and staffing just finishes it with a rolled forehand into the open space but that backhand in that moment against federer. i think summed up just how good safran could be. He may double-handed backhands cool again. Denied the i mean because let's face it. Tennis has has always had a snobbery about two hundred backhands one hundred back in hands just all seniors aesthetically superior on the kind of regardless of the effectiveness Yeah but that jumped jump double-handed they just timed as if it was the easiest thing in the world naturally it's the hardest was a thing of obsolete bc and it made double-handed cool again and it made me proud to be a double hand. But but let's face it off to that. Two thousand and five australia knipe and win his his career headed into decline. Yes he he had moments here. In that i think a the lost of those wimbledon semifinal in two thousand and eight novak djokovic along the way there and for low two thousand five he stayed in the world's top five. I think he he got back to to number three in the world but off Sort of rankings. Wise of the two thousand five. It's it's steep decline radi. We're talking you know majority of the time outside of the world's top forty top fifty and and eventually ending up united languishing. You know it's it's it's up and down but he never gets back into the top ten Actually he retires age twenty nine in in two thousand and nine which look. It was young at the time. It wasn't unforeseen if felt like he was winding down. Didn't it goodness me. Twenty nine is young to be retiring. isn't it so young. We actually well. I say we the very much royal way friend. Friend of the show. Dave levy who has been cruelly edited out if you're about to hear David levy did an absolutely cracking interview with thin. Back in two thousand fifteen covered An atp champions tool event with mini he safin's own take on what happened off to the two thousand usa in final Let's let's hear about it in southern zone words. Of course the way i played in two thousand was who it was. I didn't know that that could play this incredible experience. I was surprised with myself and then had couple of finals of australia. Lost and the french open semi finals semi final wimbledon and So you the everytime you don't manage to to win a second grand slam you that to be paranoid about it because everybody is the two thousand one in. What's what's what's next to finals. And it's not really really good. So i was under stress to to win again and Because i knew that i had a chance but also the time was flying and after for years i was lucky. That Doing australian open hours with more calm about it. By the head of big paranoia bouts winning the second grindstone. And i was looking to achieve. I was lucky in a way. I was unlucky in a way because i had a lot of injuries. Unfortunately i had to quit because Because of my knee. I couldn't run anymore and compete against these guys. The young ones. Joe each murray and that you need to run and i could feel that i got to run anymore and it's a little bit tough for myself to realize that You can't You can be back on top. San even fighting for the five and for meets was a big thing because otherwise stay thirty forty in the world. How is not. There's not really my maltreatment with respect to all the players while round thirty four hundred dollars but by the way. I played if if i'll be healthy okay onto our continue play but unfortunately Too many injuries is sad. Isn't it sanitarium. Hearing talking talking lie though there was quite lazy narrative around saf in. The you know didn't love the game enough to to want to play on wasn't committed to enough wasn't prepared to put the hard work in and the elements that may have been true but he he clearly would have liked to have played longer had his body allowed That analysis was clearly reductive and unfair to him. I think yeah. I'd say it was and i also saying that he. He had to go through a lot in in his mind in his life to to to be a tennis player. I think chris talked about that. The the the. That's not easy to do that. To leave home at such a young age and and try to handle all the things that come along with winning a grand slam title the age of twenty and having all these people staring at you all the time and he he was stressed out you can hear the stress in from his career. And i do remember that as well. I remember that feeling of of him wondering hannah handle all of this and and with all the people saying where you should be this much better because you're that good and Yeah be quite interesting. If if he'd have had a really good sports psychologist for instance as part of his team back. Then what would that have helped and and help maybe fit of had a particular type of team physios the way all the plans do now. I've no idea if it would have made a massive difference. But it's not that surprising that he had a hard time back in it up time enough to time and i'm quite happy to remember him thornley for what he did do as a player and as a as a character and he he m. He went tougher. Career as a politician. Didn't was a member of the russian parliament or the duma and actually i put his name into google earlier. Just trying to bring his wikipedia page up and The top said merit stephan former russian politician. Which i mean definitely true. But is don't i may. Maybe he was willing number-one politics but it feels like. That's not the the first and foremost thing he should he should be recognized for. It's like describing. It's like if you ed balls into goal and it said former british boreham downs where does Fulmer atp cup. Captain come on as athens pecking owed popped up. That he he did didn't he. Yeah after i mean. He's awesome explicitly about this. So i could be could be putting unfair words into his mouth riding think he's particularly into coaching. The didn't look at quite interesting. Talking to chris about watts. Now he did this big into from phrasebook federer and he. He was rolling his own cigarettes. Juryman city she's a lovely orig-. Yes yes my experience of him on. The champions tour did few to them with. You are exactly what i expected you to be. In in all the ways might of them goods unite but he was definitely a as as chris. Clarry said in in one of the early eclipse united was seen. He never best anyone you know he. He was very much himself throughout his career and after his career in. We're going to end on a on a clip from chris. Claire reflecting on the big the big question around yourself in which people love to love to debate still sometimes when he when he pops up and becomes relevant should he have one more. Was he an underachieve. Chris says he should have been part if that federer an adult group for awhile. Whoa so why. Didn't soften fulfill his potential outgrew. It was the the off court stuff and the off court work and the commitment to the craft that the people who took over the game possessed rafa novak roger. Andy murray to till his body gave out. That's where they took it to place. Murat couldn't follow but in terms of because morocco didn't have the self-discipline didn't have that emotional control didn't have that consistency off the court to be able to stay with them but in terms of the product on the court what he was bringing to the equation when you watched him play. Yeah i agree hundred percent. That's one of the reasons why i had that number. One epiphany was because i felt like he was just next level. You can kind. Of see it watching serena and venus obviously at the time game that was next level they were bring a new level of power and you level of capacity hit winners from places where people can do it before and with murad. I think the big thing was to hand back in which had been not not any means holding shot. It's been a great shot of mess tennis for a long time but murata six foot four could hit it incredibly well from all different heights. He hit a low conflict and he could hit a boom sweet spot in the middle. Right around you know chess tight. He could leap and he can really leave when he was young and hit. You know way off the ground effectively to kind of leaping two hander. That michael chang used a lot but he took it to a new level and he had power all the shots so to me that was that was next level and the game quickly responded and produce other great talents. That ended up trumping him. But i'm still convinced. David that had the mental side and those things under control and a better off court system that he could have been up there with with novak and roger andy and been a huge part of that rivalries those rivalries in that era for a long time he had he had the game for and that's it isn't it. I think few would disagree with that. I think you can debate with You know the the side of the game isn't given enough credit as sort of part of the talent package. That is a talent in itself that he didn't have to the extent that that these other guys had know. It's completely irrelevant. Debate debate what. Nick carriers would be with the mind of novak djokovic. Because he just wouldn't be nick carrier. That would be a different human being altogether. But yeah i will remember merit sophon for the that the leaping double-handed backhand cross-court winner and there still. There are still nobody around that complaint like that of his size you know to to be his size and to be playing it. Light matt roberts marcella rails Is is incredible. Rarely guy if of his heightened is wait. I mean ease. His shoulders he built. He is not really built like a tennis player. That you would think of the these lines physiques of of the current day. But he still was able to do that so it was an amazing thing. And and like i said i going into ucf belittle this morning and going now is robert. Warren's the the good news is that this stuff is still out there. It's worth. I'm gonna look what this guy could do. There are only snapshots of his career but the best ones are pretty much as good as it gets. Yeah and and. I think there's a lot of tennis players who fall into the simla category of safran in terms of absolutely awesome on-court talent but just as chris described there maybe didn't have the emotional control and the and the mental talent the fact therefore that seven managed to put it together enough times to still get to world number one to still win two grand slams. Nothing five masters one thousand events he. He's got a hall of fame career in a way. The david now bandon immensely talented doesn't an caritas. Doesn't you know serena's win slam. So i think safran did manage to package it enough times. it's just the talent was so overwhelming it will most doesn't feel like enough Thus such a good point. He's an interesting case. I think Yeah very oh it's been it's been a pleasure to relive the thousand. I remember that that november. I i went on a little mini break with my dad to boston Sort of a last minute thing and waiting fruit we checked into the hotel room. And on the you know they put sort of pretty generic magazines. No one's ever read out on the coffee table and it was some some mean lifestyle magazine. Safm is on the front of it. You know the brand new. Us open champion. and yeah. i really remember that he. He made his mark on tennis absolutely making debate. Whether it could or should have been a big amok but he. He absolutely made his mark can. Yeah i've enjoyed reliving. His career will be reliving in our next. Usa relived podcast. The twenty fifteen calendar. Grand slam attempt of serena williams and in particular that semi final loss to roberta vinci and the circus surrounded it and surrounding. And while we've been recording this podcast. I've just had the knees flash up on my phone that serena williams is out if this is usa and with a hamstring tear so yeah we went to talk about now that now but it will certainly feature i think in in all discussions around serena and her career in the next. Us open redirect which will be with you in a couple of days time. We've got guess. That is the only gonna thank one more time james meredith. Thank you for your contributions to this episode we are. Yeah all are relived. Guest editors have so done as proud this year. We've we've been really bowled over by by contributions. Say thank you. We've got our executive producer as a waste. Chris album lee. We've got all usual. Mascot skeletal muscles and rogue and billie jean has been jean king. And of course we have lovely lunar slash sarah who is our mascot for the week and leaner scored a selfie every lived week so well done to lena. Thank you to all the contributors to the episode that spoke to david within associative three hour period of frenzy. Mary carillo chris. Clarry kafelnikov. Jeff tarango paul annacone and back in the day. Speaking to friend of the poor. Dave levy merits himself. Say thanks for listening. Tell you still still the stuff. 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Podcast Extras:  Naomi vs. The Establishment

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Podcast Extras: Naomi vs. The Establishment

"Places please dance is one of the things that i've noticed Stressor being here in america is that people think that they can buy you know we talk about slavery into the eighteen sixty five. No no no. no no. Don't don't be so so ford by that. Don't don't even even if you believe that. Go read a book in. Let's talk about how slavery changed. Its its name and its face. It puts makeup on and it made itself look prettier. That way could go undetected. But it's still lived within america but that type of cortra- which the buying and selling of people of color remains twenty twenty one. Let's bring it to current times. And then maybe i'll go into a personal story. Let's see how this works out. Twenty twenty one on monday. We celebrate memorial day here in the united states. Memorial day is a celebration. Was we honor those who have served in the military. The have sacrificed their lives for the betterment of this nation. Also on memorial day. The world received the news that the number two women's tennis player in the world. Naomi osaka was withdrawing from the french open. Now listen. I love my basketball. I love baseball. I love football. Let me tell you something. Also a huge tennis fan. I am thirty six years old. I remember as a child watching steffi graf watching monica sellers. Watching pete sampras was a loved. Pete sampras i remember when the williams sisters. I stepped on the scene i used to tape. I didn't say. Dvr is tape. I had some blank tapes now with tape their matches. Because i knew they were history. I knew they were making history as a black child as a black adolescent as a black teenager as a black adult. I don't miss their matches if they're on tv. And i can make it there. I'm going to make it there. I did a podcast about a year ago. Just just in. Oh state an episode that honored the williams sisters because to me they are black royalty they means so much to the coacher and so i love tennis. I watch tennis french. Watch all the majors. I watch it. And i've been following in rooting for naomi osaka. She is a black woman who also has japanese heritage. She is representing the country japan when she plays but she's a black woman. Her story her her. The fact is he's multicultural. The fact that he is a great and talented tennis player the fact that she stood up in the us open and and she vocalized treatment. How law enforcement treated black is at such a young age. I admire her play. And i admire her courage. Y'all was serena loses. I have a bad sunday. She loses on. You know announced on sunday but she loses in any any grand slam final or semi final. I don't wanna talk about it. I don't wanna see it ruins my day. But naomi osaka has beaten serena couple times and let me be honest. I don't mind it because she's the new face. She is the new face of tennis. She is the it girl. She has the look. She has the game she has voice. She has the intelligence. She has the total package and inc. Saw that tennis. Saw that serena who has dominated this game for year she is still the face but but they owe me is the up and comer her. She is the new serena. She is embraced. So much more serena ever was than what venus ever she. Naomi is probably received. The attention that serena always should have and yet she withdrew from the french citing her mental health earlier in the week she. She said that she wasn't going to do any press conferences after matches before matches because it was a drain upon her mental health that she wanted to be focused in the matches and that she didn't want to have to sacrifice her her mental health. Her focus to talk to reporters. She just wanted to be locked in to do what she came to do which was to win the tournament now. The establishment did not like what she said the establishment the officials from all for tennis majors. The us open wimbledon. The french open in the aussie open. They all decided to partner up in threaten naomi with fines with expulsion from tournament. Play now before we get to all that. Let me let me tell you what the french open told her. They said well you have to do this or will be fine. Fifteen thousand dollars now. I don't know. I'm not in the pockets but but i can tell you. She's won a lot. And i can also tell you that. Fifteen stacks yo. That would hit me hard but it's not going to hit. They only hard but when people feel like they can buy you with people feel like they can throw some money at your take some money from you when they feel like you are for sale when they believe that they think they hold power. They expected the only to be like you know what. I'm i don't wanna miss fifteen thousand dollars therefore our show up to the press conference out do what you say. Because i don't want you to take my money but but listening to me. Is naomi osaka. Some who stood up to tennessee authorities before. I'm sure they weren't applauding when she was talking about. Black lives matters and in in wearing The names of brianna taylor tomato arbitrary. I'm sure they weren't applauding but but she was too it girl. They couldn't really say much. She was the it girl. There was too much money. There's too much that she had. She was winning tournaments and smiling and and they didn't want to mess with neo. Be dead but now now now time to pick at the old meal soccer. When was she said that she still wasn't going to speak to the media. And essentially she said that fifteen thousand dollars is is not the cost of my mental health. My mental health is worth more fifteen thousand dollars. That's when the four major tennis tournaments banded together and threatened her with russian from matches from the tournaments. Your keep in mind. She's a number two women's player in the game she is be face of. She is the next generation of women's tennis. She is the face of women's tennis. probably more. So than serena at this point serena's alleged. Naomi is the now with these tournaments. Came together and said we are going to expel you for matters. If you do not speak to the media the how did they get that far at first. She said it was just for the french open now. All of a sudden off for tournaments that are played throughout the year. She hasn't been the. Us open is coming up. I said maybe cancel. I need to check on that. But but she. She's only at the french open. Why are they threatening her for something that she has done to them. Because this what happens when when the dominant class feels attacked if you attack if they feel threaten that's what it is not attacked. They fill attack but but when they feel threatened when they feel as if they're already is threaten not just coming one of them is coming as the whole establishment and and when you come against the establishment. You must be disciplined. You must be putting your place you must get on your knees I get to that phrase a little bit later perhaps We'll let's see how this goes. Naomi osaka was threatened with expulsion from the four major tennis tournaments. And so let me bring this to you when they say that you can't there we're going to expel you from the matches or or you won't be allowed into the tournament. What they're saying is that we're gonna take your money. Because naomi makes her money by winning tournaments the ob trace her income by winning matches they all be increases her celebrity by playing the game attendance. And so when they when they said that you can't do. You can't play tennis here. What they're saying what they said. And what they believe they were doing was they. Were taking her livelihood. Yeah in friday. Big worm said the smoky you know play with. My money's like play on my emotions the. Wta was play with naomi asakusa money because they wanted to break her much. Like what has happened. In america over the course of hundreds of years when a person of color who was enslaved would fight back what they would do they will break that man that woman or that child they will they will break them in front in the public's eye there'd been stories about being beaten sexually assaulted women being sexually assaulted and raped in front of the families children being sexually assaulted and raped and beaten and bloodied in killed and all in front of the public all in front of their families and they did that. The slave masters did that to to teach everyone a lesson a lesson of power. You don't own us we own you. You don't own the property. We own the property you are our property. The wti a there is in their in their hearts. I believe that they believe they own. Naomi osaka because she may be the face attendance. She may be the number to play in the world. They may love what she does for the game but listen she still a black woman she still a black woman and in the eyes of the establishment. She could still be bought because is still property. They wanted to break naomi osaka after. They said that she can't play tournaments that her money was going to be funny. If she didn't speak to the media expected her to come running back. they expected her to comply. They expect her to give in. They expected that she could be bought instead. Naomi osaka on monday said after she won her. First round. match mind you. She told the world that she was withdrawing from the tournament citing her mental health. The same she said early in the week she stuck with. She said she's been battling depression for last couple of years in that and that she's really struggling with it at this tournament. Her chase for the records her have money. None of that was worth more. The her vestment in into our own. Self when i read that. She was withdrawing from the tournament. Part of me was like good job neo. Me you stuck to your guns and part of me was hurt because i know what it's like when people think they can buy you with money when people think the you are for sale as a black man in america. I know what it's like. I've had people tell me that. They that that the establishment wants to see me on my knees. That i need to be humbled same. They think about naomi osaka the moment. You stand up for yourself all of a sudden you need to be humbled when you speak your mind. Intelligently when the establishment becomes fearful own intelligence is threaten all of a sudden need to be humbled. And if we are humbled we will be made an example out of. I've had plenty of people in the past couple of years. Tell me down to arrogant. That need to be quiet. I'm always starting something up. Then i'm always fighting for somethig air. Get tired of fighting. Truth be told i do i to tell them. Do you think. I want to fight. I wouldn't fight if you didn't fight me. Naomi osaka was tired. Naomi osaka is mentally. Worn down the ob. Asaka made that choice to fight for her mental health. Invest in herself naomi. Osaka made the choice. Made the decision that she couldn't be bought does no price tag for her mental health. She said in her statement that she is some time away from the game to work on herself to build up her mental health and that quite frankly there there will be a time when she but she will return when she wants to when she's able to show return to play the game that she loves. She won't return because tennis is trying to be funny. Were her money. She knows that her true wealth is within self her. True wealth is within is in her health. She knows a happiness can't be bought and her soul her spirit her body. Her mind is not for sale naomi. I hope that you take this time and that you will enjoy this time that you you're not losing giddy thing in his tongue. Forget about the money. Forget about the pressure. You you regaining so much by by being willing to stand and fight for your mental health. You are an example of what so many people should do. But they're afraid to but when we see people like the stand up and say no and mean no it gives the world courage to tell the establishment to tell those who think that they buy you. I'm not for sale by no means. No am i. Yes is yes. I think this In this sense. Naomi may of she. She won't win the tournament. She won't win the french open. But i can tell you that. She has lost a match game set match to the winner. Naomi osaka the loser. The women's tennis association stop being funny where her money. She's not for sale. That did ladies and gentlemen the journeys over.

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Novaks final hurdle, Barty back to her best, US Open anniversaries for Hewitt and Stosur (Ep 25)

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Novaks final hurdle, Barty back to her best, US Open anniversaries for Hewitt and Stosur (Ep 25)

"Glorious awful talking. i'm john who've nas and welcome to the ao show on. Today's episode can jaw kovic complete the calendar slam at the us open. Jim courier joins the conversation on the round title. I do think that the pressure is going to be heavy on his shoulders. And i'm not sure he's going to be able to manage it. It's gonna be fun to watch cash body poised to take a by to the big apple. I think for ashman. She's mentally switched on and ready to guy. She's going to be pretty hot debate at the. Us open light in hewitt twenty years on from his night in major title. A out with all the talking that was going on in the screaming even mean point. Sometimes it actually. Might you concentrate more. You have to concentrate on what was happening on the board and sam stores up on the tenth anniversary of. Us open the not before the final actually did say to my team going to be potty. But i'm gonna win tomorrow. Sorry maybe i did have a little carbonation day. That's all ahead. On the show. Novak djokovic has the chance to ride his name into the history books as he looks to complete an elusive calendar grand slam at the us open while info women's world number one. Nash bodies off her second major title of 2021 joining me to preview the tournament. Todd woodbridge casey to loughrey and a special guest. Jim korea welcome guys g most dot. We do you. Can you paint a picture for us. What life is like in new york at the moment well. It's quite different for the players. And last year when there are isolated in a hotel out in the middle of long island and never saw manhattan Players are in manhattan. Most of them staying in to central hotels that are the official hotels but they are given freedom to stay out somewhere so that seventy five percent of the players are staying in the two official hotels twenty five percent or staying wherever they like. Employers are enjoying manhattan in the city and are really relieved. And there's a lot of i think a lot of Catharsis for these players after what they've been through and the various bubbles around the world this one is rather open one for them and i think they're really enjoying it so far but what about the conditions that the plaza going face. I mean you're there in in in the heat event. Believe it's gonna be a tough open in that respect. Yeah the qualifying week As we record this has been brutally hot so the qualifiers grinding and out the players. Who were here in the main draw getting ready for the majors are going to be battle-tested for heat for sure. Looks like we're going to get some cooler weather in the first week which is good but this tournament. It's variable this time of the year in new york city can change really quickly. You can get the really humid days when when cramping and endurance really can Be a huge factor in the results. Looks like it's not going to be as hot once. The the main draws get started which is good and it's also nice that there are two roofs now. One on armstrong won on ash because we might get a little a wet weather in the first week as well casey yen talking about the hate. In terms of novak djokovic kitchen. He's preparation laid up into the us. Open thoughts around novak because obviously is all on him at a new york and he'll deal with conditions. You mentioned the hey. I'm laid out matches in regards to heading into the us open but thoughts around novak. Yeah look it's a different environment for him. This year the pressure hill feel will be like on anything. He's felt so far in his career. It's going to be fascinating to see how he manages that because he's clearly the the heavy heavy favorite based on how he's played on hardcourts in recent times and and he's well rested. I think he was smart to not play after the olympics. I don't think he has to worry about losing in the first two or three rounds of of these tournaments not in best-of-five so he can work his way in and he's fresh enemies. He's mentally fresh. And i think we saw in tokyo the frustration of trying to do it there when he wasn't fresh trying to get that gold medal and go for the golden slam try and tie steffi graf in that regard so i think that will do a world of good but but i do think that depressure is going to be heavy on his shoulders and i'm not sure he's going to be able to management manage it but can be fun to watch. I'm always fascinated. When i watched novak. And what he does with the crowd and the fact that we've got food in new york for maize very exciting because it can sometimes played against him more. He'd looks to them to find positive and negative energy to ramp up piece play so if he's struggling he'll look into the crowd and find somebody to dislike so it makes him play better and i think that that's a powerful thing for him actually going into this because i think tough in tokyo with no crowd and even in paris where we saw him kanev roller coaster through those early rounds when he had to try to find different energies to to keep in matches. Yeah i agree we. We've seen him really used the negative negative energy of the crowd to be a positive for him. It's like fuel for his fire. This is going to be an interesting. Us open as as sort of a sideline contest for the crowd's affection. Because there is no serena there is no roger. there is no rafa. He's the leading light clearly in this tournament of sure. There's now masako there's ash party. There's still a lot of great champions. But he's the the most established in the most credentialed will the crowd actually at this stage of his career. Embrace him or were they continue to root for the upset which is what they almost always do. When he's playing new york it's a little subplots interesting. Yea the stories. That are gonna unfold for me over the next couple of weeks ago it'd be really interesting Because of those notable people that are not there. In terms of wraparound. Just serena and venus that in terms of contenders. We've deny that we've verify medvedev. Blitz sits pass some quality opponents. Todd and in your opinion who do you think is the the main contender there to really push novak. Obviously we saw win the gold medal and he's played a final there medvedev's also played a us open final. But yeah there's there's some big names there that can can push back the in your opinion go. Medvedev is obviously informed. I think that tournament had last year. Service for the championship doesn't come through actually learned and ghana more experience from all of those losses. And it's been good to to watch him deal with that. And i'd love him. Apply well in new york. I was a bit disappointed by him. Post rolling garris particularly losing. I when and i think that was a couple of parts of his game that actually got exposed and gm usually in york. A sliced backhand works. Well but i reckon that's a part of his game that he really needs to work on that border zip through the quarterback more than sort of spin land and bounce up because i think he gets taken advantage of at times and i think the other thing is. It's a fast for me to get further east struggling to finish big matches off against a top guys yeah he got the you got the toughest quarterfinal of the players. You're talking about. He's got in his quarter-final that that could be tricky. There's rube love is confident. And when he's on he's up. The offense is really awesome. I agree she doesn't have the same bite. Todd as your slice back in on that you should get involved there get in their twenties ago. A twenty year old from adelaide walked out onto author ash stadium to take on the world's greatest player pate sampras in the us open final by two thousand and one light in hewitt had already made a nine himself on american soil having spearheaded australia to a four one win over the us on the way to the nine thousand nine davis cup championship the following year. So him win his first. Atp title at queen's to fading sampras in the final before capturing his first major title in the us open men's doubles a few months later bought his greatest achievements. we yet to come for the gutsy kid from adelaide who announced himself to the world on september. Nine two thousand and one todd. Woodbridge sat down with hewitt to reflect on his made in grand slam. Title will lighten. It's great to tattoo on a big anniversary. The twentieth anniversary of winning the us open. I guess let's get straight into it. Can you reflect on that right moment in your career us. It's hard to believe it's been twenty years to be honest but for me. It was a special. Tom came into the. Us opened that year. I think seeded number four coming in but didn't have the highest of expectations. I guess it was really just starting to focus on my fish around match and not focus on actually going deep into the tournament. I've made the semi finals the year before and of the pete sampras in a pretty close three set match actually so that guy me a lot of confidence i felt really comfortable on the us open. Hardcourts air as well. The pice in the surface suited my game and one the the previous year in two thousand as well. So i felt like i played a lot of big matches in new york in flushing meadows Say sauce quietly confident going in but it was really just trying to navigate my wife through the first week in and give myself a opportunity to go deep in the tournament in the second one. What stood out was your ability. When you got some these matches to crunch people because the realities you will more of a counterpuncher. But when he got to the sammy's obliterated yevgeny kafelnikov. And then you take on pete sampras so at that point. I don't think anybody thought that you will be able to beat him in that final. What went through your head when you got when you're going into that match. Yeah he's He's got install. he had a big heavy. I if he's second serve was heavier than probably most guys on the to back. Then it didn't necessarily have the tops being kick serve as a roth that but it was just a really heavy second serve and i think a lottery ten struggled with that and to get the opportunity to pipe pate. Who at the time was the greatest. Tennis plan ha sing. He'd won thirteen majors. I think at that stage in these career and one of the old. Tom rights and for me going out in the fall. There was a lot of tool. Kerr remember. my press conference after winning semi on was how the hell was going to be able to break sampras assertive because he was on some ridiculous winning streak with service games throughout that. Us open tournament and it wasn't something. I really focused on But i'm not that i always back myself. As a retentive on navy had the biggest sue out there in malak as one straight saw really focused on trying to take a away day strength and using strength has a return to serve. Mike imply a lot of bulls and for me. It was something that i focused on really early in that match and i got the opportunity set to return for this guy. Actually breaking guy remember a little light bulb gone off my head like to the media. That was in that asking those questions will. It didn't take me long break. You serve so got broken. The very next guy and for the rest of the set it went on serve and ended up in a tiebreak. But that was really a telling tie-break I've lost a couple of todd. Breaks against the in the previous year in the semi final and so once i felt locked into to get through that first set. That's when the floodgates really opened. And i could see him starting to doubt himself as well and for my match gets paid i felt like it was not a matter of heating claimed win off the but it was a matter of making a lot of tough low volleys to set up that knicks bowl for me. Hit the passing of the law. Been i walk as the match. Went on then singable. Bigger and bigger and i want to do that consistently and ended up running away with the second and third sets. What about new york united. They make it anywhere that saying. Did you like playing in new york. It seemed to me that that was everything that you're moss. Was that battle with yourself. The battle with the crowd the opponent. You'd love that the that contrasted it brings. Yeah it is totally different great atmosphere whether the crowds your against you and i think even when applied the americans and didn't have the crowd on my saw it was something i really enjoyed because it was a great atmosphere. The music at the china veins there was a room basel around a fell out with all the talking that was going on in the screaming even point. Sometimes it actually made you concentrate more. You had to concentrate on what was happening on the court and that put main in zaghawa when i was out there competing implying which was a good thing for me and my tennis but i think the new york crowd allies appreciated may To the court. And so if i wasn't plying one of the americans are the. Us crab was on my side purely because they loved that grit and determination never-say-die attitude and that they paid the money to come and say playas ply. And i wanted to see people give their best efforts. And i felt that was always something that idea out there and i think i really appreciated that pot again. I want to touch on s. bodies performance Sees where potentially you were when we talk about your anniversary. what what. What sort of advice do you give to hair. C continue on this journey all well. I think it's the sean stein. The moment as much as possible. When one of the biggest things is to enjoy the ops and because it is going to be a lot of ups and downs throughout the ginny and when she stopped winning those big tournaments ashes they now do the last two or three years and she's got to world number one this at target on your back every single week as well. And that's why quite often. I talk about the federa. Nadal djokovic area era and how does is op shouli because every single wait. I go out there whether they feeling one hundred percent. Not that have massive target on their back. Aned stu are able to put it on the line whether it's a big tournament or a small tournament and when you look at those records die bright It is quite mumbling. Will they been able to handle those situations ask. Its own new for her. She's been in that position but as being interrupted as well because of the the times and and not playing all the tournaments last year as well but for her to win win off lose early in the olympics. But she's been now have that high wind cincinnati. So there's going to be moments lot that you go to enjoy good moments as much as possible because you do the hardware to put yourself in position. So she's doing incredible things at the moment. She's going to be the favorite going into new york fish oil. It's a bad taking things for granted. Either this last. Couple of years novak djokovic When he's rock to certain tournaments particularly astray night. We have taken for granted that you think he's going to walk away with the trophy he goes into The us icon with an opportunity to create history in in winning the grand slam. And obviously there's a lot of pressure on him. What do you make of his chances Particularly coming off a chaotic olympic games. It really strange to be honest and in some ways you just feel like he could have led from that yet. He wanted to win a gold medal that badly he wanted to win the golden slam overall messages in a year plus the olympics which only happens every four years and so now he probably seat back. He's taking a few weeks off. Which i think is a good decision for him not to get on the tool. He's a good enough bowl struck. We know that he's going to come out there much likely dominate the first week of the us open. Whoever comes up against unseeded playas. He's gotta get his head in the right frame amman now and he does get another opportunity. This is a massive opportunity for him to go out there and win the full niger's in one year he would be district to do it I think he's going to have to look back and analyze what happened at the olympics and whether the emotions in how badly he wanted it affected him which from the outside that luke block at deep even seem not to win the bronze middle match after he your. He'd lost that. Semi vaughn was well and the disappointment of that and Yeah we're not used to seeing that from divac in and he still going to have the demons of the. Us open last year as well going back. So there's a lot of things that could affect him. He sees the favorite going in there. Some other really good playas dog That again a push him zarif plying career. Best form at the moment. He's going to have a few damon's as well in the back of eastbound going back to authorize stadium where he served for his first loss here against dominic team in the fifth set and came up short whether he can actually go out there. He's in that position again and block that out somehow and run through the finish on. This is sport at its best. Simon question marks and in a couple of weeks will be out to get the answers light in hewitt and his insights on the men's championship. Is we return to the round table and switch. Focus to the women's game now. Spotty is the firm favourite following her clinical performance in cincinnati flawless. On her way to her fifth title of twenty twenty one and casey the wimbledon champ appears to be back to her best after her blip at the tokyo games. Yeah when we talk about mental freshness. And i think she talked about it during cincinnati as the fact after wimbledon. She definitely had a bit of a a a moment. Wish you know. She felt a bit numb because she had just won the tournament that she dreamed of as a child. So i think i'm tokyo was good for her in a sense to really get back on track and we saw a cincinnati this week serve absolutely incredible Which really just. How did these whole flow. On effect in terms of the rest of the game. And i think for ashman. She's mentally switched on and ready to go She's going to be pretty hard to bait. I'll would imagine it the us open. So i think all things are in favour. She's in really good spirits. You know the end is near in terms of frustrations. I left in february. They've been away. Oh yeah we've talked about bubbles. That can get really exhausting but for me at. She's gonna be tough debate ability that you you like her. Draw casey. i mean. I thought the draw. God's pretty friendly to her in general. What were your thoughts on the draw. Yeah i mean. I stop savona rivalry fash. Those first couple rounds are always crucial. We saw it wouldn't have important. That first week was once she gets into a tournament. Simon cincinnati she just gets on a roll but on arriva. I ram which i think you know. He's not a bad. I ran to to really. i guess. Blerta cobwebs in terms of in terms of grand slam tennis to cook it. Fun tech. If sean tech cannot come through so yeah there's a few she could get jen brady in. They're also right bridge in brady and that section. I mean they're they're obviously going to be good players but based on how she played in cincinnati. She looks the red hot favourite may. Now let's focus on now though because that's that's obviously you talk about. Novak is the big story. I think naomi is as big a story off the court and she's going to have so much focus on her. I look at her. And in some ways i feel for her because it's not just about her going out and playing tennis and i thought the matches walk so far since he's come back she's she's she seems to be heavy with emotion and it's not allowing her to be free in a ball striking which is when she plays a based. Yeah look i think. I think almost everyone has empathy for all right. Casey may how can you not. She's clearly got a lot of pressure. A lot of expectation It's hard to hard to actually put yourself in her shoes in. Imagine what that would feel like to be the person who lit the torch. The olympic games game magin casey. I mean that was the appeal of me of i guess global stardom when she standing out there and letting that colin and i think we've just saying naomi really struggle and battle through these last couple of months. And we've seen that so you're right though it's hard to imagine what she's feeling thinking but uso. She played some great tennis on a hardcore She's very capable of showing up and feeling switching it on which we've seen before and i believe on hardcore. She's one of the best hardcore place. That's been around for the last five years so i think we've really got put her out there. I think she's going in is one of the favorites as well. I really interested jamie and your thoughts on on this. What is done is worthy of. Praise opening up about her issues but sport is brutal. It's different to to social change. And i played against you. I watch you. You gave nothing away ever and you and that is what you don't want to give your opponents these look into your psyche. Because if they see any weakness it gives them confidence. And so now me for me has has a long road ahead to actually build back the playing aura again to two so that the players think that she is unbeatable because at the moment. They realized that she's struggling. That's going to be what i'd be looking out for not justice you. Us open but the next six months and see if her tennis can get back to those levels by being so open. Yeah it's gonna be interesting to see if she can make it about the tennis because obviously what the discussion that she's opened up is one worth having and it's one especially in cova at times it's really important for everyone to realize how that how important mental health is so there's real value to her being open for society in in that standpoint but what you point outside is also true. That being mentally tough right. That's sort of hallmark of the great players and sort the great business people to is. They have to handle pressure in how they handle it and she's from what i gather. She's not working with a professional. Who's giving her some help to to manage this this moment in in her life and it's really important that she's going to be able to get back out there to be able to do what she did. So impressively the us open. When she played serena williams in her first major final and there was all kinds of pandemonium going on around her and she served out the match like she'd done it fifteen times. It was so impressive. it's not far away for for her when she comes back to a place like new york where she has great vibes and feelings and she's played so well she could turn the switch and do it. I it's interesting because the problems that she's talking about are not encore problems. It's dealing with the press. It's the stress of that. So it's like it's a really interesting stew of of things to think about and discuss. But i think if we lead with empathy then we can have an honest discussion about it and people can look at hopefully in a open minded way and we can see how goes all right. I really look forward to watching that. One person. we get to see him. Let's hope we do get to see. Maybe one more over a few more times federa not day that that's a big one and you take on. Where where he sits right now because it is. It's a long road for him. You gotta think to get back to playing a level at forty four surgeries on on. His name is what is going for his fourth one. He didn't sound terribly optimistic when he gave that video city right. He's like. I'm just giving hoping to give myself a sliver of chance. Basically to come back and play a tour level again. So i think that was really a leading indicator of where his expectations are and let's hope that things are better. If he has his movement his racket skills not gonna be. It might take time to shine again with match-play but if he can move he can play questions. Is he going to be able to move. And i almost feel. Casey given walked serena in disclosed in the last twenty four forty eight hours about. Not playing the uso type. An injury similar aged. She may be in that same spaces. Roger yeah well. It was always inevitable that i feel like we're going to have these conversations with these two champions of our game you could sense that will foot from rogers part what jim mentioned just about being. I guess it'd be worried in terms of where you know. If he will come back. And sign for serena it really is a bit of a changing of the god in many ways but yeah i really hope and i believe they can get posse and we get to say the map for hopefully australian summer of tennessee in two thousand twenty two. But yeah. I mean similar ages. What great champions of our game and are really that we get to say them and then they also get to finish their career. Not everyone gets the perfect send-off. But i feel like obviously they. Those two in particular deserve a real nice finish the crowds. The fans the people that have followed them for so many years Get to see them and see them One last time athletes don't often get the right. The storybook finish right. Pete sampras had had our choice. Do i stop playing now. And when my last match or do i keep grinding on and potentially win a couple more and he chose the storybook finish but could he won. Sixteen maybe But these serena roger. They have gotten so much out of of their immense talent and we've been just unbelievably lucky to witness it. We'd love. I mean all of us wanna see in again for sure. And we'll keep our fingers crossed. I guess right. We'll lighten. hewitt isn't the only alsi celebrating. Us arpan milestone anniversary. It's been ten years since. Sam saw lifted the women's trophy at flushing meadows and on the eve of sixteenth campaign. The thirty seven year old. Join todd woodbridge. From her hotel room in new york to reflect on her greatest career achievement. We'll same great to be able to chat with you ahead of the us. So i've been. Can we reminisce about your victory. Ten years ago boy. That's going quickly. But what memories you must have just obviously winning holding the trophy hitting that last forehand there was so many elements to that wake that would good challenging a bunch of different Advocacy things happened in but obviously playing good tennis shawn's through more than anything. There was a couple of massive matches along the way with portray ever in a tie-break against kirilenko in your mind. When you're having those epic battles you know when you go through them. Did you at any point. Start to think you know i can. I can do well. I mean obviously you hope that. And that's what you're trying to do is go well and play better and better each match but i think once i'd baked petrova in that three said that was a think at that time. Maybe one of the longest matches for women at the us open than the next with kirilenko and there was match off to match. Obviously you had to play well before could be ready. Certainly as you get closer you type wants to step three steps. You start to dream a little bit. I guess but you'd never necessarily fully no believe that you actually going to hold the trophy at the end but the not before the final. I actually did say to my team. I'm going to be a party and i'm going to win tomorrow. Sorry might be. I did have a little premonition. There you that you had that thorny bond about being product. Because you obviously defeated serena williams and serena at that was basically at the peak of her guy coming out in front of a crowd like that and to sort of nullify that energy i had. That was quantum achievement. From you oh thanks it was. I mean it was. Obviously a huge metro was only my second grandson. Fawn compared to what serena regaining. But i don't know for some reason. I obviously felt very composed i felt like i was you know had a very good chance of winning right here in the final toronto. Just a couple of weights before and she baked. I think it was four and full but was very clear on what i wanted to do. David i had a very clear gang plan on what a obviously keep doing in a couple of things to change. And i just went out there and i was feeling good and absolutely fully believed that i could win that match. What what was the most impressive shot point of that match in your mind. Well main there was one. I was love. Forty down on serve and we had ended up having a bit of a longer rally. We'll bite at the net. Had a ray flex point. I ended up eating it back then volley winner. And as i turned i saw out of the corner of my eye. Clap my shot and for some reason that absolutely said back down. The crowd was obviously super price. Rainer at that point in time but a soul. Clap that winna. And i thought mike. Now i've felt like from that point on i was i did get back on top and then start to dominate the play again. Yes night to be able to get insult from. Because that's not something that that i remember. Seeing what i remember. Is that match point. Supplies players can be difficult. And you often hope that you don't have to play too many balls and tivat quickly but you hit one of the greatest all hands that. I think he would've ever career where you've stepped around on a second serve and just nailed a winner and i look back at that shot and he said well. If you're going to win a major you win at like that. Yeah i mean. I definitely remember that one like it was yesterday. I don't you worry. The first match point. I had we had a bit of a longer rally. Just remember my legs would like shaking. It felt like jelly. Absolutely not even got to the bulls. And then i just remember that the one that i ended up winning it on one side you that i was going to get a second to I'm hitting another hand and there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that that's what i was gonna hit on that shot coming back to new york. Fernando serie what's it like a new yorker as you prepare for yet another uso championship. It's exciting i mean. New york's always got a bad even now. You can hear the sirens going those people in the straight. It's preempt pretty busy not quite like normal. It's still like new york but they certainly some hotel to boarded up some shops closed in tom square. That you would never ever imagine you'd say closed in things like that but it's still quality care. I guess is the next couple of days. Come by the interesting if it really does get that noble konak crazy new york vibe about going to put you on the spot just bit in put your pre come and titus head on and talk about how the osce women here at the us. Sorry been think. Good obviously start with the number one player in the world and ask just one cincinnati as well. I'm a pretty tough to go. Some unlike her who's obviously won the last grand slam. She's just won. The last event that we've all in and i think the surface courts the way the ball bounces up and everything else can really suit her as so nice sacred. Everyone's going to be watching what she's going to try to do here. In this event. I actually practiced with allah today. She's hitting the ball very well. She had been after the last couple of weeks with a bit of an injury but she sang fine today so I've heard her flat bowl and back was absolutely singing. The practice courts today. So say i ll applying and storms go to while cutting as well which is great cyanide that she's absolutely super excited and busting to get out there and play face match so she's having the year of her off as well. So hopefully we can do well. That's all for this episode. Join me again in a fortnight as we wrap up the uso. In the meantime don't get subscribe and if you like what you. He plays rate and reviews so more fans can enjoy the airshow.

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Bonus Episode: Lleyton Hewitt and Sam Stosur extended interviews (Ep 26)

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Bonus Episode: Lleyton Hewitt and Sam Stosur extended interviews (Ep 26)

"Lawyer i'm john who've anna's and welcome to this special bonus episode of the airshow lost episode we celebrated milestone us. Open anniversaries. to ozzy. Plights such has been the response to that aside today. We've decided to bring you extended versions of both of those interviews with two thousand and one champ in light in hewitt that was probably one of the best old striking matches odd ever had career. I didn't miss a ball. I felt like i had on a string from the very first guy and twenty eleven champion. Sam stone crab was obviously super price. Rainer at that point in time. But i saw her that win. And i thought mike. Hey now that's coming up on the air show. The you is two thousand and one. The opponent was thirteen. Time major winner. Pete sampras and at the other end of the court a twenty year old staff from australia with one of the best defensive games the world had seen his todd. Woodbridge we'd light in hewitt will lighten. It's great to tattoo on a big anniversary. The twentieth anniversary of winning the us open. I guess let's get straight into it. Can you reflect on that right moment in your career. Yeah it's hard to believe it's been twenty years to be honest but for me. It was a special. Tom came into the us. Open that year. I think seeded number four coming in but didn't have the highest of expectations. I guess you know it was really just trying to focus on my first round match and not focus on actually going deep into the tournament. I've made the semi finals the year before and lost the pete sampras in pretty close three set match actually so that guy me a lot of confidence i felt really constable on the. Us open hardcourts air as well. The tyson in the surface suited my game and won the doubles the previous year. In two thousand as well so i. I felt like i applied a lot of big matches in new. York in flushing. Meadow is Say quietly confident going in but it was really just trying to navigate my wife through the first week in and give myself a opportunity to go deep in the tournament in the second one that first half of the tournament. You had a couple of thoughts Against james blake annan. Andy roddick to oversee was a huge favorite in new york. And i think that was that first match where you guy you get. Sure that and you in on the crowd. Which is a difficult environment in new york to be able to do. Yeah walls actually in the quarterfinals. Apply tommy haas in ramstein actually tommy haas and that gave me the opportunity to play andy roddick in the quarters and and those two matches back to back against really tough upon someone. You'll have to stay off. Against andy i. He was the craft favored at that time. he was a young american on the rise. You've had a lot of big wins and so it was peach disease next generation classic match. And and that's what it lived up to under the lots of flushing meadows and there was only one or two points in in the end. That could have gone either way. But for me i love flying in those situations as well with the whole crowds against you but it is a great atmosphere and For me it just kept my focus. The whole matching ause. I will define to why in the end and i guess that really gave me the beliefs going into the semifinal if i could get my body to recover willingness and and at the age of twenty. That's a lot easier to do than twenty years light so i felt once i could do that and do the recovery process. Well i'm always in really good shape. 'cause i had the confidence in the belief in how i was Mobile striking at that stage of the tournament as a pa in uh that was playing against you and watching you and what stood out was your ability. When you got some of these matches to crunch people because the realities you will more of a counterpuncher but when you got to the semi's obliterated yup jenny kafelnikov and then you take on paid sampras. So at that point. I don't think anybody thought that you will be able to beat him in that final. What went through your head when you got when you're going into that match. Yeah not many people talk about the semifinal against casino and on hot court. He was as good as anyone. He'd won the olympics the previous year in sydney on on that surface. So i knew. He'd beaten advocate and the round before in straight-sets. Very convincing so. I knew it was going to be a really tough match but i feel a lot. My game matched up really well against guinea. And and as i say not a lot of people talk about it but that was probably one of the best ball striking matches i've ever had mockery. I didn't miss a ball. I felt like i had on a string from the very first guy our main. But you've getting was out forty lavi service guy came back and bright team and then i just knew always always rawling from the on and yeah it was the disbelief. He could save getting as well. Yeah he just wanted to dig a hall and hod somewhere at some sites in that match and and that just guide me that extra confidence as i said the biggest thing for me going into that match was probably my body and how i pull up. A diana's lighter after that epi gig roddy and for me to comment and feel that good and stu ni- them striking. Was that guy that confidence going into that semi fun. And they know it was either going to be an deafening the fallen and to get the opportunity to apply pate who at the time was arguably the greatest tennis player. We would say yeah he. He'd won thirteen majors. I think at that stage in his career and one of the old. Tom rights and for me going out in the fall on those a lot of tool. Remember my press conference after winning. The semi fawn was. How the hell was going to be able to break sampras assertive because he was on some ridiculous winning streak. I would service games throughout that. Us open tournament and it wasn't something. I really focused on. But i know that i always back myself as a retentive on navy had the biggest. Serve out there in me. As one of my strengths are really focused on trying to take away day. Strength and using maastricht has return server. Mike imply a lot of bulls and for me. It was something that i focused on really early in that match and i got the opportunity to return first game and actually breaking guy remember a little white ball gun off in my head like to the media. That was in that asking those questions will. It didn't take me long break. He served so. I'll go broken the very next guy and for the rest of the first set it went on serve and ended up in tiebreak but that was really telling tie-break sonate. I've lost a couple of breaks against in the previous year in the semi final. And so once i felt like i was able to to get through that first set and that's when the floodgates really opened and i could see him starting to doubt himself as well for my matchup against paid i felt like it was not a matter of heating claim is off the return of serve but it was a matter of making a lot of tough low volleys to set up that knicks bowl for me to hit the passing show of the law been. I felt like as the match went on. I was saying the mole bigger and bigger and also to do that consistently and end up running away with the second and third sets so my sake you could tell me bowl by bowl. Way hit it. It's it's it's it's fantastic to at least and say i want to touch a little bit more on because that was the environment for him and you had a very good head to head incubating the last four times that that you actually played him and talk to us about he as apply and plying him in that culture. Yeah well he's he's guy install he had a big heavy i if he's second served was heavier than probably most guys on the to back then. It didn't necessarily have the tops. Being kicked serve as a roster but it was just really heavy. Second serve and i think a lot of return struggled with that. He was an unbelievable athlete as well that he probably doesn't get the credit full How he moved around the cool whether it was at the net. We've seen him get back to some of those smashes that he gets back form was renowned full but on the baseline is well. He's running full. Hand our get out wide and really hit that hard flat passing shot on the forehand which it didn't always look like the greatest or the smoothie shop on time also so many times we wouldn't end the open especially unbelievable athlete slice backhand as well. I remember applying him in some big matches. Any slots just came through the cold and it felt like it was on you all of a sudden. I'm so that was something. That was really wary. Not giving him the opportunity to attack that law so for me. Flying against him was really important to cape really good debt when i had him on the bison and not giving the chance to commune in and keep pressing me even though i did like oversee plying passing shots but i wanted to try and play it on watch terms as much as possible. What about new york you make it. They make it any way that sighing. Did you like playing in new york. It seemed to me that that was everything that you picked him. Ause was that battle with yourself the battle with the crowd the opponent. You'd loved that that sort of contrasted it brings. Yeah it is totally different. But it's great atmosphere whether the crowds with your against you. And i think even when i play the americans and didn't have the crowd ma saw it was something i really enjoyed. Because it was a great atmosphere. The music at the china veins. There was a room baas around a lot with all the talking. That was going on in the screaming. Even meet point. Sometimes it actually. Might you concentrate more. You had to concentrate on what was happening on the court. And that put me in a zone when i was out there competing implying which was a good thing for me and my tennis but i think the new york grad allies appreciated may for the to the court and so if i wasn't plying one of the americans always felt the. Us crab was on my saw. Purely because they love that grit determination that never say die attitude and that that day money to come and see play his ply and i wanted to say people give their best efforts. I felt like that was always something that idea out there and i think i really appreciated that pot my guy so turn anything i rate. It's also the anniversary of nine eleven and you almost got caught up with not being able to get out of new york. Of course we were about to play davis cup semi final in sydney. Can you reflect upon being in the air as i remember when we found out the tragedy unfolding. It was amazing Because After you win the us hyphen. I take you on a media. Two of the following morning on the monday morning after a one at the us which was the tenth of september. I'm a win around indeed all day. Older rounds of the media are there was actually told to to gone. Have one of the photo shoots at the world trade center that particular day. I'll we ended up doing it at central station so things played out slightly differently. They're not did have to rush out of new york. So i was on the light afternoon evening flight out of new york onto ally and then direct to sydney which gave me the opportunity to come straight back and play the davis cup semifinal in sweden there in sydney that that very knicks fraud i bought it was incredible applied at i was meant to do a messy press conference as soon as i land in seasoning looking back on it. We're on the flawed at the time. And we've got to ally. And then we're on the allied sydney flight and at one stage meet flawed. It was actually two or three hostesses Sitting in the alleys they are on the plein of the galley. Dare and are actually crying. Didn't think anything of it at the time But as applied out we landed in in sydney in the product came on any tried to explain his business. He could what happened while we'll meet air on that slot. It's a surreal moment. We would just in new york and to think that the whole city had chines within that one flight that we're on and then we landed in australia on the other side of the world. It was completely different. We had a lot of Police austrian police come on federal police. Common and ask a lot of questions. We had to fill out a lot of forms before we got off the plane that particular flight purely because we had come from new york whether we saw anything at the airports How things could applied out. Potentially that we witness. Obviously the press conference went landed about the us. Open that oh got thrown out the window. There will be things in news things to talk about at that time and it was just more disbelief for neetu to think that i was at knots before sort of partying on clad non-winning biggest bottle and then also now that they were people in new york who i'd been around and supported me and that we're actually could've been struck up in all this as well in manhattan so at the time i thought went out to a lot of those people. And and the first ones would probably the western bulldogs footy flies because they actually come and watch me play on our on the indices trip and look asi labor toll ryan night. The brand a lot of those boys actually came out and watch me. Apply the us following his pate. Which i didn't. But then after the match kind dan and keep the forty on senate cool nighttime out and celebrate with me that evening after one. Because i didn't have a lot of other aussies over there at the time. And i knew that i would doing the tourist things i those next few guys so a lot of what goes out to those people that were put in that position But it was a weed situation for me to be on to think one minute that you couldn't be happier and into just knowing that the whole world jentzsch incredible time incredible joyous memories filled with something on the other side. But thanks very much for joining us on. I that you will be looking forward to getting back to new york to that place where you had such a triumph and. Let's hope we can do that this time next year. Yeah absolutely thank steady. A lot of fun fantastic sought into the mind of one of australia's modern greats. Now let's phosphor to twenty eleven but a remarkably similar scenario another. Us open final. Another american thirteen time major winner at the other end of the court and another parochial arthur. Ashe crowd. this time it was sam. Stosic says moment in the spotlight he. She is with todd. Woodbridge sam great to be able to chat with you ahead of the us open and thanks for joining us and let's just start by saying can we reminisce about your victory. Ten years ago boy. That's going quickly. But what memories you must have. Oh wow yeah. I can't believe it's ten years ago in some some memories alike. They happened yesterday in some. I wish i could go back actually experience it again. 'cause things happen very quickly environments like that but it's i mean it's always exciting to be back in new york city and obviously being here again now. The ten year anniversary of winning is even better assault on social media a couple of days ago when you first go back out to flushing meadow. Walking down the hall is i have all those huge portraits of the champions and there was you when you look back at that photo what what goes through your mind just obviously winning holding the trophy hitting that last forehand there was so many elements to that wake that good challenging a bunch of different adverse things happened and but mostly obviously just playing good tennis. Shawn's through more than anything. Let's pick a couple of those because there was a couple of massive matches along the way with petrova and a tie-break against cure lenka. Let's just move back into the tournament and talk through what happens in your in your mind at those moments. When you're having those epic battles you know when you go through them. Did you at any point. Start to think i can. I can do well here. I don't know if i i mean obviously you hope that. And that's what you're trying to do is go well and play better and better h match but i think one side baked petrova in that three said. That was a think at that time. Maybe one of the longest matches for women at the open. Econo- get through that you feeling good. She was a very good player at that point in time. And then that next cure linka and quarterfinals. It's funny our veras von arriva. Who was not two in the world at that time. But nobody even thinks about that match being in the quarterfinals. Because of obviously what happened in the actual so there was match up to match way. Obviously you had to play. Well be focused. Be ready and get through but yeah certainly as you get closer. You type wants it to step three steps. You start to dream a little bit. I guess but you'd never necessarily fully no believe that you actually going to hold the trophy at the end but the not before the final. I actually did say to my team. I'm going to be a party and i'm going to win tomorrow. Sorry might be. I did have a little premonition there but it was only once i got into that. I really felt that that you had that thought in your mind about being. Because you obviously defeated serena williams and serena at that point was basically at the peak of the game. There was a lot going on in new york because it was the tenth anniversary of nine eleven and it was all very pro american and to come out in front of a crowd like that and to sort of nullify that energy that they had that was quite an achievement from eight. Yeah thanks it was I mean it was obviously a huge metro. It was only my second grandson. Fawn compared to. What serena vein. But i don't know for some reason. I obviously felt very camparis. I felt like i was. I had a very good chance of winning played serena in the final toronto just a couple of weeks before and she baked me the i think it was four and full but was very clear on what i wanted to do. Dive in i had a very clear gang plan on what to obviously keep doing a couple of things to change and i just went out there and i was feeling good and absolutely fully believed that could win that match. You one thing stands out in interested. I'm gonna lead you if you come with that same thought. What what was the the most impressive shot. Appoint of that match in your mind. Well i mean there's obviously a couple of moments say that could've you know maybe shifted things but there was one very designed point. You think because. I only talked about this once or twice before but i was loved forty down on safe and we had ended up having a bit of a longer rally we will bite the net had reflex point. I ended up hitting a backhand volley winner. And as i turned i saw out of the corner of my eye. Clap my shot emphasis. Some reason that absolutely said back down the crowd was obviously super price. Rainer at that point in time but a soul. That wena. And i thought mike hi now. It's it's all good. And then. I felt like i really then was able to take control. Los at saves guy lost the game or something happened. But i felt like from that point on i was i would get back on top and then start to dominate the play again especially ninety beat to be able to get insult from me. Because that's not something that that i remember. Seeing what what i remember. Is that match points for players can be difficult and you often hope that you don't have to play too many balls in. It's over quickly. But you hit one of the greatest forehands hands. And i think you would've you career where you stepped around on a second serve and just and nailed a winner and i look back at that shot. And he said well. If you're going to win a major you win it like that. And i wonder what your thoughts are about that particular show. Yeah i definitely remember that one like it was yesterday. I don't you walk in the first match point i had. We had a bit of a long rally. I just remember my legs. Were like shaking and felt like jelly. I actually don't even know how i got to the bulls and then she saved one with a smash and then i just remember that the the one that i ended up winning it on one side knew that was going to get a second set to retain i was new. Way that has said was gonna guy Hitting another a full hand. It wasn't the only afl ahead reten winner. I hit for the match. So i'd bang heating it conaco diane. Just there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that that's what i was gonna hit on that shot. Congratulations on the anniversary. But you not done yet. Make sure you have another good use i. I'll do my best. Thanks that's offer a bonus episode. You can join me again next week as we wrap up the twenty twenty one. Us open in the meantime to get to subscribe. And if you like what you get please. Right and reviews are more fans can enjoy the show.

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Interview with Phil Penman

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39:09 min | 1 year ago

Interview with Phil Penman

"I like very serene Going and snowstorms when nobody else is around or just shooting these Moody's cityscapes very powder. Hydroxy to how I was. When I was a celebrity photographer he worked as a street cleaner there? He photographed Michael Jackson. He worked as a garbage man. He photographed some of the most successful cycling teams in the world he worked as a DJ in a nightclub and today he has one of the best selling street photography books in the world. Hello it stomachache stomachache and on today's show. I am talking to fill penman British photographer living and working in New York City about his fascinating career about transitioning from being Paparazzi to being a street photographer about his book called Street about Ethics in street photography and about his absolutely stunning New York. Images enjoy my conversation with Phil Penman and can you imagine your life without photography. No the new will love this show and it doesn't matter matter if you're a DSL are a mirror `less or a mobile phone shooter. We're here to help your photography grow. This is photography radio. Hello feel welcome. Welcome to the program. Thank you so much for accepting my invitation. How are we doing this morning? I'm I'm very good. Thank you for having the on Gracia wonderful very happy. It's happening I have your book called Street in front of me two decades right of your photographic work capturing all possible facets of of New York City and of your own work curated rated down to two hundred twenty pages of your best images so Street photographer your celebrity. Were landscapes cityscapes. Wonderful Book Relations. Thank you very much shed some. I've been shooting since about fifteen sites coming on twenty seven years now but I moved out to New York in two thousand and the the work in the book is more Kind of my transition from moving here you know shooting nine eleven. I'm working as a celebrity photographer and then moving more into street photography says he has about twenty twenty while twenty years of my life. Yeah Eb Right. Yeah I mean I was looking at your work your photograph. You're reading your story. It's pretty pretty remarkable What kind of experiences you had as a photographer? What kind of all the possible things you're capturing with the camera and somehow it still everything ties together together that you can put it into one book it? I think it's great question. Let's start with the cover so that you chose a photograph of gentlemen and I'm talking of course about St Book. Right chose a photograph over of a gentleman standing on the forty second street wearing a suit carrying a bag and and having a bunch of leaves on his head which basically makes his face completely invisible right. So why this particular image for the cover this it's actually Was Chosen by the publisher like When I started working with publisher clarity and it was made very clear player during the meeting? That the everything's going to be your own way. We're going to have disagreements about things and you know this is a joint conjoined effort and I trust the judgment because they done a lot of books in the past and they've won awards and so I kind of trusted trusted the judgment. And they I remember I was driving down to job in Washington. DC and all of a sudden. I got an email with here is what we would like to have as the cover and when I saw is like great because not sexually damage the I would have liked to have seen on the cover anyway and it was just funny. The everybody kind of came to the same conclusion that was the image that they wanted nice perfect so so it an image. which in a way like encapsulates for You New York City crate yet? It's I I love. You know I I walk around all day and being on the bike when I was Working doing celebrity photography. You just seen you 'cause you will we'll all over the city you'd see the great characters walking around and one of things I like to do is I would go to these people and just you know I wasn't looking to shoot candidate or anything like that. It was more. My work is kind of district portraiture. So the so many of these people the can like this is an interesting people SOMMA seeking attention. Some completely shocked that you even want to talk to them. flatlined take that picture. So you know it's a good makes but The first portion of the book is Oh St Paul Traits. Sport is kind of a nice way to lead into vividly. Remember this particular conversation with this gentleman. This gentleman actually is. I was just hanging around taking some pictures on forty second street. One of the buildings and I and I turn around and he's just stood that okay. This bizarre right. It's like some weird trip. Just like a a gotTa grab this normally you ask people and some just no. I just don't want my picture taken discovery. He's like yeah okay. Normally what happens essential. Ask anyone to take a picture though. They'll strike some stupid pose or the peace sign or something ants ends on. It's not what I'm looking for what I want is just a straightforward stand poultry If you will with your briefcase to the side because to me the he's in a business suit. He's got his briefcase. That's Kinda grab me strong because it's kind of in a normal and absolutely weird at the same time right. So let's rewind a little bit so you you start it you know. You're photographic geography career as a as a celebrity photographer. We can probably say Paparazzi is correct. Yeah I actually believe it or not. My photography career arrests died as a local newspaper photography in England. I was doing every everything you could think of shooting politicians kissing babies in a project. Check presentations Then I moved onto a hard news agency where we would be shitting. You know. Crime Scenes Roadside aside accidents and then when I went into corporate photography where I was actually a photographer for Microsoft shingle that corporate directors and then the the goal. The always wanted to live in in New York and I was on a job. One day on a stakeout. And you know. It's eleven o'clock at night covering some very unwelcome no-name British celebrity and the guy that was working reckon with reciting the Carney said. Oh you should call up my friends. Kevin a Gerry in Los Angeles so I called them up and sure enough. They had a job Bay I think we if you like two or three weeks of his working in Los Angeles and then after six months of working there. Kind of shooting. Celebrity Paparazzi Brazzi work portraiture. They had moved to new. York's a setup a main office for them what was really dream in came through like immediately in tough in a blink right. Yeah it was really fast learning really fast learning process. There's no messing around like. As soon as I met the guy off a plane was like this weekend. You can be photographing Pete Sampras's wedding. I am thinking Oh this is great. I'M GONNA official photographer Pete Sampras his wedding. Not on what you're going to be doing you can have. You can have a camera stuff down your pants. And you're going to be walking around the Beverly Hills hotel trying to find a bride and Chore Enough. I she came out the front door with her dad. Best me with a camera down my pants with a whip. Whip the tiny camera. Take a picture like he was a the old film camera like a candidate. I remember that came up to me as like a white you taking a picture and he knows full. Well why I'm taking a Nisa Casino. She looks pretty so you can imagine all those possible reaction. We're getting from people from the situation of the bodyguards. And so I read some stories in in some of your interview so such such a different kind of work right work as a photographer. Because when I'm looking like a interim innocence I mean I'm I'm looking at your photographs today at your street you know. Beautiful Shots Moody Cityscapes. Yeah so I I'm just wondering because so basically you have this talent. You have the amazing I but working as a celebrity photographer is working in incredible speed. Sometimes having probably half a second to get the shot right so I was wondering how did you feel those times or you know. How are you combining your your aesthetic? Let's say You know compositional I Diaz Feelings with with depression with isn't even possible to combine those those aspects of Irish sign need the Paparrazzi celebrity side. Is You know I never wanted to do it. But it was my access to be able to work in the. US and photography paid a lot of photographers. Losing their jobs. Right now we'll have been for years And it was. You know which is going to be the lost Paul photography standing the most of the industries. The I knew will gone So who's a question of you. WanNa make money begun doing doing a job and I've done pretty much every other job. You can think of at some point in my life and I wanted to stab his badly saw. I was willing to take this through the job but I was spent the pressed a hated it especially if you have any aspirations as photographer aw and you enjoy taking pictures so I would say for about fifteen years ten years I was more consumed with just just making enough money to pay the bills and stay in New York and then it wasn't I you know I was so depressed angry all the time team that I I bought myself a Leica m seven of a friend of mine and just started started trying to think of projects. I I taking pictures of the guys I worked with somehow to be honest. I can't imagine that you know that you went for ten years being depressed. I think probably You should see I think patsy guys police most angry miserable people. You'll ever meet in your life because nobody nobody wants to to do it but you had your cycling right on the side. Yeah that was Kinda I can take my aggression on the pike. So you photograph you know. Biggest names right Lopez Kadarshian Tom Cruise Angelina Jolie. And so on. And today you mainly Ainley or or correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe exclusively work on creating some you know. Truly Beautiful Street and cityscape shots of New York producing books. Thanks yeah I went in I. I couldn't take it anymore. I snapped So what was the transition like. When did this transition start for your the Knicks? The transition was really strange to be honest. I I think are in twenty fifteen at broke just snapped Couldn't didn't take it anymore and I had a friend of mine. who was a salesman for a cycling? Branko tally which is like an old Italian company. The cycling clothing and I just said to him look. Do you have any jobs anything at all. And he said yes sure enough. Actually I have a job as a salesman selling cycling clothing over the northeast of America said. I'll take it so I found myself getting a five. Am every morning to about eleven night dealing with Cycling teams selling selling them this clothing. We had team sky which was one of the big toward Franz team. So we worked with and I would. I went over there. Mule Cornel A Shaw photo assignment. You know it's not like I stopped taking a taking pictures but what I did was the jobs I would take. Were were jobs. I wanted to do so celebrity pool traits Features and it was. I was doing these two jobs at the same time. They allowed me the transition out of the Paparazzi road into Jewish trying to build up an income shooting purely street at allowed me NETAPP healthcare to be able to make a living but at the same time. Shoot and build up my street street photography so today making your living. You know exclusive is a photographer. Yeah I I quit the cycling cycling job once. I knew that I could support myself purely based on street photography and doing books and selling prince as soon as I. Since I knew I could do that. I quit so you are a living example. Actually of also the person who many people believe or argue cannot exist. Actually photographer street photographer. I Dunno if you define yourself as photographer but probably probably you do. I mean the title of Your Book Is Straight Shooting Predominantly Street and cityscapes and you are an living example walking example of photographer. Who can make a living? You know being exactly a street photographer. which many people argue is absolutely adorable? It's well it's doable. But are are you willing to put in the twenty years of doing something that you don't want to do to get the you know you can't just say hey. I'm going to become a street photographer tomorrow. Camera so individual and you are saying that you know your celebrity photography career ten years of doing that help had you establishing yourself as you are today as a completely different kind of photographer. Oh definitely I think you learn you. Learn things thinks from walks of life reno learning how to deal with people I worked at a nightclub. FEE is working behind the bar and DJ and interaction with people in the club. I was a street clean I worked as a garbage man all these different jobs that the done in my past Working on a farm I find that all of these experiences of added up to you know how to treat people which can help you annual photography when you when you approach people on the street or you know finding some common uninterested when you? I always find when I'm doing poultry to people. I always find to try to find some common ground. Something that we can can discuss with each other and it makes put them at ease so yes definitely definitely helped the Paparazzi Because I was on the bike will day looking around the city. It showed me pulse of the city. I wouldn't necessarily have seen before also helped me get elise St Paul Traits. I probably would never have seen. I think we could make this hour. Today's conversation way shorter. If you talk about things you didn't do. Who in your life right this beautiful? You know. I couldn't agree more. I did many and still do different things from also being a photographer and and I couldn't agree more that All of that we do you know. comes through and kind of You know our photographs are full of of of what we have done in our life so far I couldn't agree more. Let's take a quick break. I hope you're enjoying today's interview. If you want to find out more about my today's guests have a look at the podcast show notes. You will find them in your podcast application. I hope very much. You are already subscribed to to photography radio if not make sure you do it now. And don't miss any of our future episodes interviews inspiration latest news and trends. It's all things photography in one podcast field. Thanks so much for listening and now let's get back to today's interview being the celebrity photographer now street photographer. I'm trying to dig here. Do you see any parallels or similarities between these two genres of photography autry there certain like aggressive tendencies. I would say that sets in St Photographers have. It's it's weird because when I was a patsy celebrity photographer a lot. The work we were doing was very in your face I wouldn't say that we go into all the time. But he definitely very intrusive The demand for the pitches so bake you know we couldn't keep up with the public's demand for and their son street photographers Work in that same way. But they're doing it with regular the people rather than celebrity. I'd actually find that. Some street thug offers a lot more aggressive than Paparazzi photographers But but it's on that has never been my style. I'm not when I was when I was a Paparrazzi. Believe on actually when I was in preparation most of my work would be very very long lens but if I had to be shortland stuff like if I were of photographers around you wouldn't have a choice choice but with my street photography I I move standoff ish like I said I I prefer to St Paul traits than I do jumping in front of their face and blasting them I like very serene Going in snowstorms when nobody else around or just shooting these Moody's cityscapes very opposite to how I was when I was a celebrity photographer. So The Times of shooting. Brad Pitt on his boat from the Bush's over you should the LEICA right Predominantly or like and what is your lens of choice or focal length of choice. I can't have won. The you know this is something. I've been learning a lot about with sunstroke. Photography recently is this seems to be this divide played a lot of people. Don't realize if you're working street working photographer. The two lenses that you would always have were at twenty four to seventeen seventy in two hundred. These were like the gold standard every for had one and a lot of my work. I shoot on Telephoto I like to compact street scenes like shoot long shots in the other lands that we would have sixteen sixteen thirty five so I tend to shoot. I have a thirty five soon. Locks one four seventy five to ninety a two eighty us on like rzeszow. So you're mixing mixing things up. I don't think in terms of our I'M GONNA go out unjust sheet thirty five mill- because I I actually feel that. You want to show a bit more depth than you work as well and I don't want to old to look formula like like everything is shot with a thirty five Lens. You know that Navy somebody else's style but to me that's not my style like to show you're like I said more debt for my work. Maybe some some close ups. Maybe some wider wider shots. There's no one formula. Would you say in general general outer alike main elements you know The draw your attention or elements that you're looking reacting. Think too when you sensibility of making a great street image. Is there something you could define. What is it that that makes you react? I like to to create scenes as in not set something up. I'll go out you know like if I know the web is going to be really really really bad. I'll use that as my scene and then when I'm out in it I will. It's like You know a friend of mine defined as kind of like an opera way you You saw slowly building up a scene. You know I'll have maybe maybe a backdrop of the city under folk and then. I know that it's GonNa be a foggy day. So what joy when he uses my full ground. Maybe today I WANNA use. He's near the Brooklyn Bridge. I'm GonNa have that and then I'll slowly start introducing people elements you know maybe silhouettes maybe some someone with an umbrella and then the next element you start adding WHOA. What do I want that person? Listen to look like what kind of character and I might work scene for. You know an hour shooting different perspectives or waiting. The right person to come through business okay. So it means you are rather our photographer who provisional things and then really kind of like you said business set up yeah there. There's more kind of for me You know the this is there. Were pictures way a you. You know it happens within the blink of an eye and you get it a tool free my best images I think from last year appear lucky accidents. I was waiting for a particular picture to happen. There was one where I was. I was a foggy day. I'm looking down the street avenues. And I'm trying to get a picture of a guy walking across the middle of the street with his umbrella and he silhouetted and ongoing Mike. I managed to get that picture and go from pictures on my computer. And all of a sudden I find this frame where a car has driven fronts and is the window of his framed. Somebody perfectly walking with an umbrella and I couldn't I couldn't have if I went out. Today I could not get our paychecks and it was just a pure luck and people were like. Wow great timing you gotta be gotta be kidding. There's no way I could have done. Ah this was. I think remember. This picture was quite recently on your instagram account. Right yeah so drivers sitting in the car. And then there's a guy behind the vertical shot right right. Gotcha that's that's the scary thing is I'm learning as well but people do set stuff like that and I find that I. I just can't even comprehend that you would go out and setups chain pages. This would be a completely different approach. What is this? I have this discussion quite often with photographer. Friends like you know the first reaction we have like I have when I'm browsing through toward CEOS your your website or to your instagram feed. I mean I see images right right I see this image. And of course the verifies things that happens is I react to an image to be honest. I'm not the kind of person for example who would immediately start analyzing and and you know and wondering how and you know which way was it's tasteless. I just like the image or not but as you say there is something behind the behind the image on the you know which only the photographer knows as we are going into ethics. Here right. Almost Reiko definitely so this is a very thin line to walk. Do you happen to have your book. Somewhere wh- rich of your hand or not I don't I can. I can grab it if he can wait one second. I mean you probably remember the image I mean I. I don't think you you you remember the page number patient number one hundred one hundred ninety. I think if I'm not mistaken it's a passage kind of underground the ground passage in the in the central park. Okay there is there is a fountain in the background. There is a dog on the right side and the woman You know referring back to two conversations who just had. Do you remember if this was a snow in the background right. Exactly Yeah I when I now look at this image and think about what we just talked about. It's you thought is beautiful light on the reflections and you were basically waiting for things to happen. I wish I like like you said I knew that was going to be bad. So I went out in the snow I hadn't shot central park in a while so I figured I would go there and have looked rans. A property spent a good thirty minutes shooting. Silhouettes people walking through the passage. And then I was walking away to leave and it wasn't until I left that I spotted the reflection and thus when I go the picture the was different. You know that particular place has been shot many many times You know it's a popular spot. The the finger I liked was the the fact that the snow creates this backdrop. Where you'll you'll basically losing everything so you you're isolating your subject in the full grounds so the you don't see the trees in the background all the boats and ooh in the restaurant set in the backdrop it's a beautiful image beautiful anglosphere? Really love it. You should predominantly in black and white but like once in a while you produce and present a caller for grandma. That's just when the cameras wrong to be honest. Well unless you're shooting was like I'm on a chrome then then it should not that bad I have have a monochrome and I have the the. Sol's I use. Obviously I'm shooting for a client than everything's color and we we make it like wait later. But if I'm going out purely for myself and I just WanNa have fun. I'll take the monochrome out but but the images in your personal instagram instagram feed. There is some of them you know. Exact percentages were lower but there are some color images so so what does it take for any particular image for you to decide to leave it to make it a caller shot most said things you know there's if you're looking at neon assigns then obviously it works better in color. I usually have color body like I'll body in my bag with me and mm-hmm I've also found a lot of. It can be dependent on my mood as well. Like if I'm like I said angry or depressed or stressed out I love my stuff. Might be very very moody looking black and white images And then I found myself shooting McCullough recently so I know maybe maybe I'm getting a little bit more grounded and not as angry anymore. It made me Nice it. It's everything is a reflection of your of your. You know your inner inner self right. I think so I think it comes out and you work If you don't think about it too much there is one absolutely amazing for two. I Adore and for those of you listening. I will have the links into shots so make sure to go to INSTAGRAM account. And there is a photo you posted on November four last year and I don't know exactly where it where it tastes in New York. I have been to this city a few times but I couldn't tell exactly but this is a long avenue anew also snowy snowy evening I would say and the street is full of red lights out. Yeah looking Beautiful just lobbying Madison Avenue As funny because we were talking about ethics and Leica UK. They just posted that picture up a a couple of days ago and the is personally Hansel Lucy. INSTAGRAM account. Actually contacted me and said we were having a lot of questions by people. Saying was that picture communicated. It's like the way I look at it as we got it. We didn't and that was just is lucky. But you make your own luck like I I chose to get up at three am snowstorm. I chose to walk around the city and look for images in that was probably shot like six or seven. AM on Madison Avenue. Also this is a m okay now is very very early in the morning. And there's no reason you get up early because you don't want any cause in the shot so you WanNa make. It is so that you can stand in the middle at the avenue and not see anything so yet that was again. Lucky that the way to DEFA maybe ten minutes waiting for the traffic light patterns to recycle and full waiting for a person to walk across the street. Beautiful Congress kisses. That's is a street photographer. This best let. Let's get back quickly to the book to to street so when you released it immediately very quickly made it to the top of the street. Photography Book Listing Amazon Right. Yeah I did did you. Did you expect dude. He didn't expect sex. NACHO I was I. I wasn't told anything I was looking on Amazon. You allowed to believe it or not a lot of stuff I find find out from people will fruit instagram saying. Hey I just saw your book in such and such and I have no clue no knowledge of it to So when I was looking on Amazon I saw that there was a number one next to the book and had no idea what it was so I clicked through and it was like number one new release ace on Amazon and there were some big name photographers. The will also in that lists I use I. It was pretty shocking that they had so presold that many no great. I just checked to out of curiosity. When preparing for this interview the Go-to how's it looking today and its ceiling on the very top? You know in the top seven I guess books on on Supertalk so so congress I mean the what does it mean for you to or maybe in other words. Why did you decide in the first place to to you know? Put Your photography into a book on paper. What did it mean for you? I I think you just want something in print I you know digital is very nice but it's digital and this something different about picking up. A book sat on the floor right next to a pile of ten books right now that I go to you know. Auto Newman Stare Sargodha and Avedon this. Just something nice about going through a a book holding a print you know having a silver gelatin print on your will this economy too. I remember when I was printing. DONC awkward the FRILL. You would get from that. Do you believe the paper is the final destination of of of a good photograph. Graf definitely I. So you know I found out about your work. I found your website your instagram account. The moment I found out here you have a book out out. I knew I had to get a book because I knew you know it will elevate entire experience and appreciation for for your shots to complete their level an disappointed so I'm happy into saint page. It's it's funny because a lot of Believe it or not I think law might better work actually actually a shot since I did the book And I was kind of I think to probably two of the images are shot lost year to my favorite two two of my favorite images of ever shot and I couldn't get them in the book. Those one in the Oculus in New York the I mean Meena Black and white short on the monochrome which are lot more is probably one of my favorites and then the one you were speaking about earlier with the traffic lights and I I'd love to do another book one day but it's doing a book is a big undertaking. We you know we went for about fifteen hundred images To get it down to what we did and there were images thought I would have liked in the book but you know. The publisher didn't necessarily want those ones is in the book. They had a certain look that they were going for as well and like I said earlier they you know we were going to have disagreements. How long would you say the entire process? From the moment you got the idea would be great to have a book till you know. The last email last photograph was sent and the Patriots designed. How long did it take the entire process? Yeah and that's working will publish. It does a lot of books. I know some photography books can take two free is to do so. I've been hearing from somebody aperture they of a day in some of the books might take full years to produce a book The you're going back and forth for the photographer You know I'm I'm not a public share. I don't know how to lay out a book on Saad Not GonNa try and tell them how to do the edge. All that's why you will hiring them right exactly now. They definitely did a great job. Also noted the way book is produced. Enter is just a so everyone listening street by feel penman. I will have the the links to everything in the show notes. Feel thank you so much. I think we'll be wrapping up soon. what what are you working on these days plans for two thousand twenty something exciting on the horizon. What what's your? What are your dreams for this year? So this year will. I'm teaching along the Sheron. I'm going to be in Miami and February I teach for Laker Academy Adamy and then I'll be teaching in Going to be doing a show in Bellevue Washington state with Gallery out. They're not going to be teaching Teaching out there as well and then try to welcome the next book hive. United the big one that I wanNa do is the twenty as off the nine. Nine eleven My work from nine eleven. I've been going down there shooting. How is now the same streets? Beats that shot on nine eleven and how they looked now. And it's a great idea absolutely Meeting the people that I photographed online Levin and working with them again. That's a big project but I I don't know if I had a bit of get it done in time. It will you know will be for the twenty five year anniversary however long it takes. It's definitely an amazing idea. Wish you all the best. Thank you MS project and thank you once. More great conversation sation great great photography and thanks for having me on appreciate it. Thank you so much for you. Have a great year you to best Lufkin anything you need. Let me know so so much. Bye Bye bye. Thank you so much for tuning in today hits stripe on your podcast APP. It would mean a lot for us to have you as our regular listener head over to photography radio DOT COM to drop your suggestion for future editions nations photography radio or simply to say hello. We would absolutely love to hear from you. In the meantime have a wonderful light and we will be back with more photograph in your ears verizon.

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Australian Open 2020!

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Australian Open 2020!

"Yeah Mahathir but I don't know who's GONNA lose to like. She should move the nineties bitches. That's the thing it's hard but yet here we are in. I don't think I don't think Bharti is GonNa make it that far but I also don't see Hundi be her. I got her out in the fourth round. So let me go see these bang round is honestly she could she could okay so look this by beginning. Have we ever say are I. UH-HUH I don't think so but see they went back to back titles owners good on season like I like a bitch. That's playing with confidence and I have are out in the first round while the Because of the head to head and Esau isn't burn out a pair so I mean head to head out on the WTI. But you know sometimes it all a head-to-head only early Madison. ATP Because the Chicago the same way every time the same way Oh should show your body offic lose up to risk attitude of one of you gonNA come over there making the quarter funds. I got risk into semi Zia. Oh Wow it's you're we'll add it to laugh like that. I did not mean to laugh like that. See I told you was gonna go in land for yourself also this. Why didn't want to tell you who I had in my semifinals and experienced risk? Best second half of the season ball doubt she too fast. He kept it out like if it was after like if it was just the Wimbledon run. I WanNa just squash that immediately. She bought out their whole happy to see the second half of the season. So a point that what she might be going to Tokyo see losing stuff. I was looking at the the the stuff and like girl. Slow is going to be sick if she don't make around here because first of all the team we'll be taken today if it was. I was like each hour long distance for a team but then I saw that. We don't have nobody. Nobody in the top ten in doubles like not even close is banned right now like gave the girls and he's like well they could go and play doubles and mixed in Tokyo. Kyo right absolutely And she should get a spot I say they were picture. Dole people hurrying best to get those spots even though I was Kinda like. If they don't go I wonder Serena play makes but then I was thinking about the guy who was going in like I want to link with win man of it. Not The only person I wanNA play mixed with is probably not going to make the team if the other person and like the Bryant against like that would be cute for like I just I don't know and I don't think I don't think she plays with the brands. I one time she did. I know I know that was after that match but like still you like. I don't see it what's funny that that Matt. They Mesh that they get. They lost like they played. Well they lost it wasn't that it was these three steps to women as they lost and I was like eight minutes break or ten years. Something like that. So it's like the part that I want to play with them like I don't see if I can be like Jack Player errol like she wouldn't have to obviously truly but I'd rather I'd rather another doubles goals and other women doubles go probably. Yeah but so I just complete the. I'm a mixed in Australia or The French we see the finish. Ibox it but you know. Hey I'm not best to the by it like it's I kind of am because I just realized that Martinez doesn't have it. I don't give a fuck about Martina I would just say like it's stocked. He didn't like this didn't she really doesn't now she does back. I WANNA say she's missing in Australia. Think kind of tapes for the day and time to yeah like a major that you don't have art level but she got like twenty one would end titles some shit like that. She could probably go compete right now. Honestly like she does. Because I the sixty euro as I'm sure Bali is good enough. It's GonNa take to get her good examples partner some she could Julia get together. But who business another. I still wanted though but I think I think she probably our last chance to really get in Australia was when she would completely end in then they pulled. Oh Yeah yeah which was saying that would have been so much cocoa at Van Lose. I mean being stressed over. You see Miami. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's it. I really WANNA pick her to be my only to add to. That would be so cute. I mean if it happens I will love it. I'm just not GONNA pick it I'm Andrea Right. And then they have became in This thousand McNally is interesting. It is the CASA was playing window. Oy since but you know it's in Australia. Yeah what doesn't make as this. I'm in my home so I'm Kinda show out. They can take. They can take that kind of person. Do what does this I want to change. It's very morass mobile like worse it is worth Colorado made a couple of runs. Yeah I mean you you saw what happened in two thousand thirty. Oh my God bless. Go Get me wet. I'd those highlights life-changing would a time a woman. What my wife was she so upset because she had just lost their vision of bitch was talking shit she I think she kinda Kinda just wanted like she wanted to make sure the crowd couldn't get into it or anything like she just had to sit the whole down real quick if everything about out in the best part of the other is is after? See that that walks but yeah I mean she I in town yeah. That's that like what a welby like benches. You've really could run away with this shit but you she ain't GonNa do it. She really not know. Oh this is so easy. I don't know casual. Ezra acquainted with seafood in. HOW WOULD A? She's an hollow section again. So you know they always put sanction because they massey is worth the casual queen versus Collins around to. I'm ready for it. Oh the tips of the first round. SC Is this going to be some attitudes here. They're going to be seen bussing. Then it'll be fighting. I'm Nina Hallo could lose Jim Brady. I think as Queens don't take out collins though she's got she has a good head to head against that because she thinks she gets her offer she yeah. They're going to hear when she's on the move like she's not unbalanced on Yeah I'M GONNA have to go back and look at draw and they. I don't know what to do with the Labor. I think I got turn fucking semi's Oh like ooh I don't stay for her but like she her game just gets her there. It's just like her gave Eh will get her there now. It didn't use to the like these last few some very ed to be for air. I'm not I don't see I just don't see who's in her way like. I don't see Muga here this year and it will definitely only her Burton's don't see for her either now. Now what do I have Amanda Take I do. Actually I have been really fun this jar. Do I have my hobbies. I do interesting esther. ooh Okay this Pales House input. You LUCRETIA got a cute game she does. It's cute you know great gals beautiful Gal Now one employee scope. Okay Ooh okay okay so let me stop right here the journal Right now. We are eleven minutes into this recording with ahead and started talking you'll be recording the whole Not just the last ten minutes. I missed a little bit of it but I said you know what let me just go ahead and get this going because we were we were discussing the things and that's what they'll web landed scammer over here. Okay so verbal abuse. Do I answer now. Okay Yoyo this is year we set it coming at you in twenty twenty. It's twenty twenty. That's a man some bullshit essay this year. Like I'M GONNA be thirty already. That's a that's a that's a round number. It's all right though thank you. Okay thank you. Thank you Donna. How you tell people that you've been this last five have we I? I don't know how long it's been but I'm cool until it enjoyed the new year looking forward to it. Misspoken tennis started. I guess I mean it came up kind of quick but I mean here we are yeah uh-huh and our special guest. You heard that voice beck a year later. OUR FRIEND WITH THEM HANDS Anthony. Faith how are you today. I'm pretty good but you know what I said. I was five yards this year. You know going into the new decade really bring positive energy but don't test me okay. The Australian Open begins just a few hours from the time we are recording. This episode I personally feel like we get the off-season entirely a win was it. I'm not really sure like point me to some dates when you can save that we actually had an off season for the sport. But you know it's cool. I still an exciting time. It's probably the the best slam of the four. And so you know is cool. I guess we should get started. We were talking about the draw. But let's get into a little bit of news. I just wanted to mention some coaching changes Atlanta's Delina is now working with Marcos Baghdadis. I thought that was an interesting pairing. You never know who like no other stuff in. I mean he just retired so I I mean he knows what's going on in the game. Yeah that's a good. I'm not gonNA say a good pairing because we don't know how it's GonNa work cycles I is that one year on your team. And he made a slam final which he hasn't done so This shade of we also have borne towards is now working with Martin stepping exactly exactly as you can tell. It really hasn't will anyway number. Let me not say Moving on the ATP Board has unanimously voted in Massimo. Kelly as the new chief executive officer Sir Cavalier will join Andrea Gaudenzi former ATV player and new chairman of the ATP these roles were split versus Chris Komo not previously serving in both capacities. So I mean at least. There's there's some leadership I guess Matt that the situation going on anyways mass the on Grunfeld has announced her retirement for the newer girls who do not know Grunfeld. She's a career high of number fourteen in singles. I think it was back in like Oh six something like that number. Seven in doubles a two-time major mixed doubles winner own Wimbledon with Mark Knowles and then twenty fourteen. French Open withrow hair so you know. There's some accomplishments in their she. Did I just looked to her. What is she like done done now? Or is she like one of the girls who like. I don't know why it's like servants where it's higher after Australia but like knocking. She's done done okay. Yeah I don't think she's playing anymore. doubles world number. One Robert Farah and this hurts my soul because I am the big fan of the number one team of Kabbalah and Farah and I am a big fan of the shorts they wear while they play. And uh-huh yeah but he's he's out of Australia after having tested positive for bolt around which is basically testosterone In a test taken in Columbia in October He blames me in Columbia which is said to contain the steroid and his partner wants Sebastian. All is said to be partnered with homeowner from Melbourne Spain. Always GonNA blame me. There's always about nobody. I feel like what hit expedite should make sense. I can't how do too because I mean. Yeah however I mean I don't know how the rules you know work with that. The like his explanation and to me. I don't think it was like doping things but also the rules and I don't know what the amount was. Business showed up in the system and whatnot but also like I don't know but I have on like instagram Graham and the amount of stuff that he posed like himself working out in the gym and like actually working hard like it just doesn't match up to me but I mean you never know what people are GonNa do. I don't know that all main that he lied because he worked out. How long has he lets? I have no idea. I don't I haven't seen anything about him. Actually being suspended As of yet I just right now is just like Oh this is your test and you're not allowed to play. Okay let's so much like ongoing investigation type I think so. I haven't seen anything about actually suspension or anything like that yet. Okay the next ten grants to Lucy Sapphire Ova on the birth of her new baby or Sabaj. UVA I think is like you're supposed to say that but I would say suffer. Yeah her new baby. So that's that's cool. Did she just thirty he minutes ago she did so these girls do they retire. Kids boom boom. That'll be why they got. They got hurry because you know now. They spent all their youth tennis. Also shout out to Francesca has given you who reveals. She had been daily with a cancer diagnosis quote unquote. I did chemotherapy. I fought a tough battle and now I am still breathing. I have won this despite so yeah friends really awesome. When I heard that I was like? Oh my God I would you know you never know stuff right and I you know I like. I like French right she. She always was funny. She always was for a good. They will harangue whose nets but even just how illegal always good messy match. She's GonNa find your she's GonNa she gonNA call her way two French Open title than another final right after With good nowadays. Let's go to the hall of fame. You Woo Hall of fame. Is the tennis hall of Berry. Good and sometimes okay put that leaving here knowing their folks that they lead up in that you don't think much and like I'm not of them. I have to like you know a major automatically get you win. A major and slam find another another slam final automatic win like to me like you have to have had sustained consistent excellent girls who who are gonNA get in Bruno. Don't anyway yeah. A lot of them are building like hall of fame career Author like one good season. Exactly and it's like Oh you had one excellent year and like the next year you like Marotta. Yeah it's going to get you know what I'm not. I'm not upset about the fact that she's going to get in. I'm upset about the fact that she's not playing like someone who is going to get in. Now look after soaring to these heights that we've seen from her and and then doing the ship that she's done these last couple. All you talk about that that people just the William Spirit another fucking. They're both assist is for your to slam titles and get to the world number one ranking and then do the shit that you've done girl. I'm upset with her. It doesn't make sense like it doesn't like it. Looks like to completely looked like the person that we saw two thousand six hundred seventeen and in the period that now or like those are two different people. And if I'm like dude somebody angle put that all of them so make like but it's what what mindset chains that has made a game in that way because the game is at the same. There's something going over here that we gotta be and I don't like to diagnose players an issue that's none of my business I don't have no you know. MD and PhD's HD next to my name. I can't tell you what's going on with anybody because that's not my job. That's not what I paid to however just looking at the way to see clave Maryland. I'm like even whether she played like she was fully fund. Like a fun to watch fully kind of way right. Yeah now. She's like it's very like scared little girl from I'd be like she likes to pull the trigger sometimes and it's like Oh that's like that's not the gamers you had like the game but got to number one in the world and two majors and like you said beating Williamson in in a major finals like well. You know she gets she got you know who may just end up their major fire. Move like circuiting and I guess I guess one of a the same way I feel about Kerber a little bit. But that's neither here. Nor there get in she serena twice. That's all it takes right there. Yeah they say that. When they inductors she beats Serena Williams two separate times Grandson final I'm trying to but that will only living positive. Yes all right Regan- Region Twenty twenty champions thus far. We saw the where we really see. I love we all do that. The I watched I watched select matches. I didn't I watched the entire. Urban wasn't bad. Just a bit of something like I saw somebody I like. I do watch that Matt. I watched I watched some of Novak's matches now because I'm a fan of his because I like to learn from Washington place I'll always watch analytically out on watch as a fan but yes so I watch a lot of his matches. I think that's pretty much. I WANNA watch field field swing shift the whole time upset that I miss his his matches portraying anyway. Serbia one eighty become a joke. Visuals pushed both by Sapo and by Medvedev but he remained unbeaten. And and you know that pretty much helped him carry his team to victory lap the some controversy surrounding ATP Cup because because you know like only certain players were included in and other top players realize a yet and then they're just you know there's this points to be given in all kinds of stuff and also You know just sort of an unnecessary event when you look at Labor Cup in Davis Cup in and all those things just a few weeks ago With you know very very similar formats so like why are we doing this again to start the year and and You know why are we replacing hot mccaw with this and said. I'm looking at an innovative solution to the loss of OMIC. I I don't I don't Anyway you know it was what it was. I guess it was fun for the people who wanted to enjoy that type of thing and and yeah and no joke. vish said that he was kind of pulling back on his practices a little bit this week because he's Titus Hale you after the way they played during the ATP Cup they were laying it all out there singles doubles yeah. I mean it was a whole out. It was a lot out of matches. Nobody thinks that many matches and it was late at night to travel all of like Oliver. Yeah Yeah listen. ATP Cup sounds like something that will be nice to idea maybe be in the middle of the calendar. Maybe because we got to home ages that the problem that I have with that will A.. They was pushing the women into the side like they always do. But that's the conversation but today I'm real quick but the problem is like yet they what tweeting that like real mention and it would have been bad if it was more EXO style. Yeah because I'm looking. Ah Raphael. The doll never gets tired. And I'm like you could see you could see the guy l.. Especially when they got to those last two rounds like he was in. The Australian Open starts in two weeks so black for what for for the Venice. Either be here in the gallery like and then they took away. You know the men. Don't play Brisbane. Yeah no more like you took actual event off the calendar of people could probably go and use those points and you gave those points away away. Insulin event that some people can't you can't qualify for pizza right like and it's not really balanced because you got a lot of the team that are in there. You gotTA team like Greece who got a tough guy. I mean you look at Spain and Serbia and then in Australia and then things this stay like it's as I mean I guess it's the people enjoyed back. I was not waking up early in the morning. We'll wake up when I worked nights but get up for the rational eight bucks it now. I definitely wasn't beginning of I was watching replays. Yeah I I will say that was some good matches that That happened like so. This is like these are good and you know this is the RBI spam account over here so like he went out of his stuff. I'm happy for him. But everything about it also not to mention that you know them acting the fool. ATP Cup and Ooh Ooh let's let's talk and no nobody. Nobody talks about it right like nobody like the what the way the media move. Oh what's arena smashed Iraqi and his daddy Medvedev as China bully Mo- Leon A and I'm like what is going on over. There was just about loose. He was the only his dad. His Dad was in tears. He was in tears. It was I mean. Just think when asked so. That's something that completely different you know when her blog Amos samples and he don't know what he and I feel bad for him but yeah like over there and not you know I see a couple of tweets here or there but I wanted to pieces and the outrage yet. It ain't going to be doing. I become like my my big time. That's another the double standard in this sport and he was right that President and the party. Can we talk about nick. Heroes doing pushups every time Alexander Zverev double-fault now the padding everybody too much and that that prompted Sasha to say that nick is not a threat at a slam because he he doesn't do well in best to fire again. This was Sasha's vary and the ZANDER's it is their junior who said this about somebody else at Alaska. I read that quote and I was like wait but are you looking at this are you. The I was the kettle. Because you you you don't either now. I thought they was good. Tutti so the stop it. I was like wait. Is that like a beep somewhere because I thought it was. Cou started right in apparently like instagram. And everything like you know. These boys can't take they don't like jokes and stuff like that. They don't like I don't know they can't take look if I was very that would hurt my feelings so like if you my friend that you know I'm going through this game right now like don't make light of now now in a team aim competition like you are trying to win for you like this offense to do with acting. You know whatever like you. You know you trying to win but but like if you don't dam but also this is nick so you kind of know what you're getting into when you former friendship with him rotten But see you know what Nigga like I like. Nick will be good for Nick. I get by the nickel good frame. Yeah I think that there might be a low sensitive and life well like I say that because I probably it probably will hurt marvelous through and I I mean I can see both sides of it. I feel like you know it's one thing. If you drag yourself in front of your friends your Francis Lancelot waited versus you on the sideline year just doing in in front of everybody but now it makes sense because Nick respond to something like you know. Sorry for whatever I did her feelings or something like so. He had to take the high road and added that little. Quite on or whatever and I was like Now what you say make sense because that is add up happy by clicking in my head. Meanwhile we got. I'll check a little bit Doha Rube live. Din said she's okay. She still decided to play Adelaide the following week nick and she went out of Laos. One eight match win streak essay and a very tough match. There I think in the court is a Decembe so dummies and playing well. How'd I cannot game? I Would WanNa Blam in the tournament. I would not want to pay you early. I saw the ATP. They posted on instagram. Damn where they asked Roger like last year who he thought was going to do well out of the out of the young guys and he said he thought rube was I was GonNa do something special. And Yeah so I mean this is after route left behind last summer tune by the way so mm-hmm of course all-girl Serena winning in Shinzan Title everything three years but really lot to. Oh my bad. I don't know why I switched him. Auckland girl who cares this a title. Everybody's his everybody's saying three years but it's really too because system play for a whole year. So yeah I mean you can take us if you want. But it's been three years. Let's go back. Let's say we can you know it's but you know it is what it is the title. I'm I don't think I shed any actual tears but I was definitely very emotional slam. Oh I'm GONNA be on the floor. I'm not gonNA cry like the crowd but I'm probably going to be like the waste it. I'll be probably become a home from divides in Brisbane Pletikosa she basically who already wunderlist. Land this third Brisbane title. Uh I mean you know that that draws stacked or soccer was there could of keys was there. It was Yeah I mean we did see be who well I know that. He's Petra in these days he's and they're also be Niamey. I think Miami have mets points in that Matt. Yes she didn't she didn't listen. Please go the new or never will. It's cute for Brisbane title you know. She likes to take shots at though her. Luce say of Rome yes. Yeah and that's fine but that is impressive. It was good for the impressive. It affects the way that she won those last two matches like kind of good care of business but as she got a nice to. Anyway I'm not GonNa have offline the following week Google and bear when Auckland his first title. Yeah yeah he beat been pair found. I watched a little bit of that final because I had nothing else to do and yeah I mean I knew it was gonna come back when the second because this concert he does and then yet anyway underachiever for real real but you know he gives us looks on the court at least I mean he does something. He's good for something they will breakdowns beautiful now now. Hobart Ripe Akina one. Hobart is she on. She's on a streak three to this and she. She lost the battle Hymn Desi who she loves to Shit Fuck did she play. I thought that she wants Simpson as well. I didn't make that up in a let me check. Okay here. She longs hours Renzo. Yeah But she she just twenty years old girls make like your motives. Okay and then Atalay we. We mentioned Rube Live and bartee on the women's side. Good from her all right so before we get started on these draws any new drink. 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Lebron James Brown and Pick James Vanderbeek all right so I guess getting into the Australian Open draws go do. The women first withdraws have as Aranka for personal reasons. Monica for owner surgery in Las Coach Savannah raise for her wrist and Andreas key for her knee. I missing body not to coach. You Know Better I. Yeah I even catch that. So okay at the top of the job. Are we have world number-one Ashley Barty who also played to lead ups after being boxed out of Brisbane Imagine Brady Yeah she's playing Sorrento for a style. That'd be easy for her. It'd be tricky Belykh. Adult is S.. Three it out. I don't see her really struggle with man. I don't see too much trouble for her. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if she had struggled. But I don't see too much. Allison risk is in the section seeded eighteen highest personal feed at a slam ever in her career off the coming off a strong second-half of twenty nineteen. Yeah I think I think she could do things I think. I mentioned on air that I have her in the semifinals malls. It's absolutely crazy to me to have some risk in the semi-finals slam. It was crazy but it is what it is and so Brisbane Finalist Madison keys is here versus number sixty eight Dara Kasatkina. She dropped down the sixty eight sixty eight. I'm surprised she's Guy uh-huh Caesar's she been somewhere down the right way past year and a half two years ago automating sense to me. It's so odd. It was very strange. What happening satellite started losing? Yes ma'am I got the kind of game that will that cannoli medicine but I don't think that she has to Kinda gang back she can't do. What like Lena's and curbs on hallowed do that annoy Madison but like so they gladys Madison is a major girl and Madison like Klay Gatekeeper. Geika Qisas Qisas Foreign August. Because I can see you have a problem there. Oh Twenty Nineteen Australia open finalists. Kavita is in this section. She plays Sonoko. y'All breath who say y'all who who committed person Yaacob exactly. That's the question. I'm not even sure I one day. Yea compared to her so that they can get you know what's funny you say that you like and I might say this the shady way but I am the same the same thing the same fever that we give frisk over is the site stuff that we give pets and I'm leaving it there. No Way I say what I say it and I went hulliber but Petra is to slams in though Oh Kennedy okay sure right at the level that we saw that we've seen her play over. The years far exceeded his bring up all the time. Yahtzee Gafsa level three time for a decade. Then we've seen a player ever average net but I'm saying I think you've seen the way to see the SIV good for acute. Grant's has been Ryan. She's good for an easy score on good pets it away. What would it for the past decade and we gala? Hang me because I win the damn thing pissed. y'All give her so much and this is like I liked it too. I like her game like where she. I like watching her in full flight. It's it's so much fun but the way that people talk about her is like When she's after her highest level we don't ever say that I'm like what level speaking love because I don't recall there were there finally? She played five and a half years ago. Or just you Jamie show what this point yes it has been five and a half years so absolutely has so why exactly. There's only one slam. I'm finally and all that time too and it was last year and she asked me played well in that slam. Final note extra super high level. That everybody's speaker absolutely I. It was not. That was not the bathroom either model. It was a good best but like attention. She would come back. Michael whatever pets pets retain back from like physically like how to take her life. It's it takes her hand and stuff Alabama. Oh by the way eleven years mammoth forgot eleven years just in other words. Yeah so but way. Yeah but I have pets. Sammy's while I'm saying all of this uh-huh you plan on those out do all in the seventies but I because I have a tape. Thank you bye stuff. Yeah I'm I'm going to do it again now. I have to turn assemblies but it's not because I give her so much like you. I'll be giving her. I'm just I'm just saying like everybody talks about pitcher like if it's real good at a Madria emits. It's real good. You know at East more in Madrid because I still have nightmares and it's real good at woo high when this post to be good. That's all Pencil Bartik and Maria Zaccaria. Also in this exit non factors Damn Damn. I like Sakari a little bit she hired. I don't handle issue with her but she about the do shit. You might go out to Gaspari for well I love. You're not wrong. Next quarter is world number three soccer. She opens her. She's boost Var I aren't I looked at this and I thought Oh it could be a tricky first round but she is way up in the head to head I think so so never mind. That's why you get comfortable. I look forward to seeing how Naomi settled into this tournament. This is our second time as defending Champ Edison and took our little bit in New York to wrap it up. Yeah that's trying to get herself together. But I think I think she should start this tournament. A Lot. Better see looks super fit like I was like. Oh my goodness like Leoni. Looks good even plan in business. Mike seems player well. He was serving out of her mind. I'm like Oh my God Serve serve service crazy and it sounds like lit every time every time out. I don't know what would what happens there for them to sound like that. It got to be her racket. There's something like I dunno like you see about us like a dampener something I mean. I don't in my step I'll serve our sound like that. I've never heard anybody sound like the maples. Coup six would be a mistake but wouldn't other people serve like that right. No but I'm guessing Baykal here on court like if something with us. Yeah because that would be I mean you. Can you imagine Mike that every time thinking and playing against like. Oh my God I think complaints. Yeah there'd be so many complaints about that so I think I think it's just it's the coup six do TV somehow we have got to be a TV. Yes don't make sense to me because it's only her search I don't know next. Venus versus Coco part too. Yeah that will happen in the first round of this tournament. we also rig so it doesn't make ginuwine revealing will be why of draws in twenty twenty getting revealed to me because trying to get these early man. It's early intrigue at an amazing trying to get Yaas Yaas top dollar Ma and I'm not here for Peru like like go back to the Shit Live Shit live on the screen. I don't WanNa see. Avoid draws gear revealing. Oh you know they the and I don't trust nobody making making the draws in the official drove room like what kind of a yeah have cameras a narrow I don't know and they're a little bit tone-deaf too because I haven't seen anybody have a positive opinion towards this. This type of thing happening over the last couple of seasons at their new it now. They're still there. Continue with it so I don't understand it I don't mind I don't support it. They should. They should definitely extra players like how they feel about it and see what they have to Zac like. It doesn't make any sense but I mean it is what it is. I'm not no no. No Go David Dooley this. Yeah don't kill my hands whip that liberals as love you cocoa co but that's just how right now here in this match is only potentially two rounds from nam-il soccer herself itself So what I absolutely don't want is another Asaka Cocoa Golf match. I don't WanNa see that again the home. Yeah I got was enough in New York. That was that was that was a nightmare. It was it was cool. It was to see and they had you know a nice beautiful moment at the end of it and everything you know that I oh. I don't know unless you know unless cocoa is more settled in will make more match out of it but uh I say now Naomi Naomi she got up for that minutes like she loses out like that was in her hand. Like I'm not losing to a fifteen year old girl realm not doing it not today not as defending champ. I'm not doing it. And she went out there. She did what she had to do. Seriously Earth timing and everything ball law down point by she played like it was now back here was on five at Venus e S. Williams on twitter girl. Please do the same also this this dress. We deserve CONC- Allot Q.. Right it's very alive so I would appreciate it be speaker for a while with. She's giving us a lot of cute like no say but she's given us a lot of q Australia. That have left very early bearing really. That's fourteen look stadium. I remember she. She looked so good. She looks so good just to lose and they lost macaroni. That a year then had the nerve to make the quarter-finals in twenty fifteen and whatever that dress was fifteen dress with the little blue here but it was a little L. sitting it wasn't the design right. I didn't care for the bit casinos. All that all that by like girl uh-huh with my business land the fastest game for the past few years now so I expect method take less straight up. Streets of occur is a mashes happening. Here I'm not really sure why I wrote that down for the Dow. That's not it's not cute enough to be writing notes though I don't I again. I don't know why I wrote down. There had to be somebody else. I think Day it gets really Sloan Mount Stevens versus Zhang Sway. Sloan is the twenty fourth seed here plank thank despicably. She Sloan's packer banks. Let's unpack her bags. I hope that hotel room is booked. Only four one one or two days as and I hope she's ready to book her flight home. 'cause it's a wrestler. We've seen her the last couple of years when she gets on a streak where it's a winning streak or losing streak. She'll stay on it for a while. He ran on a losing streak so she can go very walkabout in these first round matches ages and stuff even though we know her to be somebody who can bring her best to the slams I don't really think this is when she's going to do that so I think I have her out in the first round. Yes odwalla IDO. But I'm like so you don't have her making a run. Africa happened there rail ending one against a team. I wouldn't give her any more than that. I mean this I like I say the girl will. She likes big tournament a big massive but she likes the more in America so that's kind of tricky uh-huh but what I'd be surprised if she you know the but do aspect. Expect her to make the quarter-finals very she made the quarterfinals because she'd have to go through soccer to do it. That's not happening abby. I I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if it happened but I don't see it happening. Not The way she play this 'cause I s she played last you. You don't WanNa be out there So instilling somebody's coast just to do what I what looking at earlier like. That's still Carl coming back to get her. She really liked best. Like it's by all even if it's tennis. Ns related to have the asset for five. I plead like you despu girls coach for way so fair. Kenan Joe. Concha and Dana's Yastrzembski Gotcha are all also in this section Wozniacki playing in her final event of her career also in the section B. Two Winnie Eighteen Australian Open champion and former world number. One so I mean it was cool to see she and Serena play some doubles Kiro does not have follies. No they did well to even get to. That final considering because Serena is using the want to carry into some of it was carrying. Yeah so they do. Well I'll eat. And and what is it grows name Biao Asian lobby did very well and I looked up Asian Muhammad. 'cause I had I'm pretty should the first time I ever watched her play mass before and She's like my age. Wow that and twenty twenty eight Yup. Yeah Oh yes you've been around for a while nope no day. Lastly in most importantly certainly Serena isn't this section playing Papova in the first round Serena has acute job. I'd like US using the you know one of the top eight seeds because I missed a huge difference the Houston eight nine so Like I like her draw you know and she said I have a single fucking issue. Getting two quarters outside then arm. I mean I'm just putting it out there I like. I need her to go ahead and shut these girls down You know Australia bilious. She's been known to do other things but not this year. Not this year. Just go ahead and kill. These girls You you have a title under your belt We we we rebuke the spirit of the streak We don't want to to bring that over her We don't like going to slam the streets. So we're just not even going to entertain the idea. We're just going to Admiral Street you you WanNa Tournament and off. You need to win another one immediately here. You know what I will say about about her. That run in Auckland outside side of that gorgeous dress she was wearing is that I think like made me more hopeful this time around. Is that final like she got you know the crabbe face on and and it looked like she was like started to panic but she really liked calm herself Dow al and what she calmed down. That game started the low. You're just ended a bills back even when she now she's still for some. He's GonNa take a break chances. I don't know that's gotta get that even out of here. You know soda later but she really likes settled in instead of just kind of not knowing what to do when get all her head so that she does get in the final. Hopefully my billion if it's not there immediately because she started off that basket and broken in the first game and I'm like what is going on like. Why is that the the greatest syrup? I am a history of tennis. Hey make out of her service games like what is going on there but she let them look girl go up as she released settled now and I was like that made me happy that made the final and that's even better because she let the you know the Bush it's affect her but that's really brought it in real pets off and I'm like thank and she kept started hitting out and but still playing within herself. She didn't try to you. Know she didn't in panic and start trying to do other shit. That's not in the drop sash that listeners. which has to tie them? And I'm like okay you within a few few don't give anymore else. But as I was like for her to just serve the way she did against orgy we do may or the way she let me smoke just a way just the way she played against these period. That was how my the moments where it was the masters where like I was looking at that and I was like. I've only ever felt bad for an opponent of Serena's thirties higher. Ah that was one of those I was like ooh good Jesus e brutalize her at an Irani Ronnie in Rg semifinal. You know what I'm talking about. He's like I felt bad I. I'm not surprised but yeah keep that. Keep that that boy. We need a lot of that. So hopefully next quarter belonged to Simona HALEP. She opens verses. Tom Brady Right Okay okay well that might be interesting match could make someone might drag estimate. Winning three celona might win. Like two and two and a simone seven five in the right. I'm a didn't give you know. Started off She had some good wins Serving really well like in her spots and really the following up her defendant her sector Larry Well and some other not gonNA blow her off the court so she to really take care of her service games at night allow some owner to make her miss. It could be a really interesting match up but I do expect to succumb to that Matt Brady was Brady. Wants to when Metz you'RE GONNA have to start very well in like take the lead from the jump. Can she not going to be able to set a goal in three and three is going to be a rents. Were upset because you know once I'll abusing her rhythm in that match and this is done and that's what like like that's like the really the right we're like Soda Halibut. Getting a rhythm and like it's hard to break out of that. I went to Miami last year with I'm GonNa give this exciting Like like washing her up close we would see plates toilets houses and watch her up close and like she do everything. Say in. Ain't no like a military ain't no secrets and like she went a whole bunch of messes way and so it was an excellent. That's like like as she also like obnoxiously. But I give you gotta break her rhythm early and if you like apply appreciate. I should've her in that way. You know with a three lovely. You know a 401 leaving you can really. You must start gave it to her head. It's just by being herself. arshile spectrum stuff but if you let her home her game that you got doing that she eventually she'll get what she won't she'll get that breaker and start running away with with With gangs in points. Yuck doc what is last year. Oh no she losses Raina. That's right she looked at the sixty same thing. What does she writes for? She played a loss is here. Daniel Collins is in the section. She was sedan Chanko Collins. Playing very well right now very very very well. She got some quality scouts in. I think that was Brisbane and then lost in the semis. Three sets to Bardy in Etteleat. I think it was yeah I excite break. What the air? Yeah so she's She's very well. I think She'll take a lot of confidence does runs into this tournament which is good for her because she's defending semi final points. Hey so We'll we'll see how let's see how she does the one that. Yeah it's not it's not looking at Good Perc You know. Everything goes according to see it. She'll be out of your around free but RB The hat looked at this. She could possibly play the casual queen. Lean chase away in the second round and I think that would be a very entertaining match to see I loved Casual Queen And I'm off for another Shea Hallett Loop Matt's not on hardcore anywhere allies. We don't know how. How fast is this is this laser play? Yes and Lucian This plan wicked fast. Then I liked. I liked the corresponds the the first the first week of Australia. You know what I'm saying like So the lead of events like Auckland Serena's playing and then some other events like Sydney. I liked thus unlike the speed of those courts awkward was relying. Yeah and I liked it so I I missed fast. Bring Back Fast Court. I'm I'm tired of the monotonous high bouts of slow hard court fools like these girls just like and that's why these girls are spoiled like they. Everything's surface that was like Seattle have slipped up back to play on the same surface and breathe cigarette. I would not have survived the nineties in early two thousands like no she might have preference open title but she would have with the title. No no she can never make it on their service with the life I was actually just wash highlights from the old three one we well L. I watched with Serena beat just a after that hand incident and I'm like look how fast is playing like we were if about what all now bouncing now I would appreciate aggressive because this is foolish Iran Asaba Minka. The eleven seed is here. Versus Carla. Suarez Navarro playing playing in her final season. She was when people who announced towards the end of last year that she would be completing her final season. Twenty Twenty Carlo. Yeah like a major title against Carl. What to do did she say where did she say where she's retiring? I feel like she's GonNa do Madrid. Maybe I can't remember what is out. Sorry if you arrest hi you to retire at the USO. I might not be like. Why would you not retire at the last major lake? 'cause matter plus the first of all everybody and Pete Sampras Anthony. Everybody can't do doing well. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA I ran at the US. Open rather than God in the quarterfinals in Madrid. You see what I'm saying right there with you. Acquire that she could make it to the quarterfinals title of Madrid. Not just that was just an example. Okay she make. That is your first mistake sake. How do the season like why light will I was tired? They don't WanNa do that. Much lucky is best. Why she retired you you think so you think so? Why would you people? Were like all. Pushy were her first. Maybe she's hassle Arthritis and shit to what is so much success like she's has insisted. Oh my goodness what can you speak out having breaking the hairs of diesel. That's the problem that but like wow was higher after Australia's like if you're Australia. Maybe I get that right but otherwise descended shot the season. Like you don't want GonNa do all that because she's she's got the arthritis shade and she doesn't WanNa play a full season again. I think that's what it is like. I don't I don't think she wants to go through the rigors of training and all of that for the entire season to make it all the way to the open and with a regular autopsy. They're signing three hundred. I don't maybe she didn't do all that and we don't know now maybe she's just the type to stay fit like she's not she's not going to give that up after I I don't see her I was Gonna say I don't see her. Being unfit seem bringing the retirement. I mean she could be she just got married just ready to get pregnant. Let's get this. I can have a baby. Yeah but like I wouldn't play. I wouldn't play one major and then maybe that's just me but also. US Open Your Home Slam. Technically right. Maybe that's why picking up the director for. Yeah and also I think we think in terms terms of like if we were onto a we'd be running shit again so like still we would probably be able to like you know Pete Sampras it again and win that last one to go out or you ooh see. We're thinking in my Serena and Goaty terms movie think of retirement instead of I think of that one slam wonder terms uh-huh so wait a minute. Wait a minute wait a minute before vintage. He's you skipped advantage versus the dope her. Oh yeah man. That's here home home. I expect Donna to come through that net. I really do I do too. I don't clears because I'm here in. How Sharipova you know in that? Her first round in Woodbridge was the Brisbane wherever it was. Then I'll you know when she lost Brady you know. She was having some discomfort her shoulder or whatever. The problem was the Hobart wasn't now never second week she played Adelaide. Was the second week weather Atalay in Hobart respectively. was I grew up in Auckland in Shannon was first week in Brisbane. Yeah so it was the Brisbane I think it wasn't a Brisbane. It was visiting okay. Well You know she may have been having some discomfort in her shoulder or whatever so If that if that was the case that still the case then. I think becky should be able to win this. It'll be tough. It'll get long match. But they throw away marines than playing that could show like Maria. So that's in the works. The were remember this three that I made like he was gone for all this time. I did really improve your game. And now like she as low ecoboost button to pick up with her. She doesn't look like Nick. She doesn't really have that fight in her that she used to have it. Maybe we'll see can't she can't be results that she wants was because she no longer has crack he thinks that I mean it's the shooter like her game is is is predicated on being able to dictate especially Maria used to really like own the middle of the court like if you move around she was gone Seok. Now you've got to be really moving around and she'll know what to do and now we have an essay energy in a third-set used to have and so she can't garage. Is you down. She can't do nothing. She can't outlast. These girls like she could and a lot of it is like I feel like a lot of it is also like she wants to win. So bad and prove that it wasn't wearing down Yemen Dubai while Blah but like we all see it's been almost three years since you. He came back like it like she wants the answer. A little of Asia gear and it was like I was so excited. And it was like y'all this is Kinda like it's Kinda like when Lindsay Davenport four came back at the end of Oh seven and she went a little title like in Bali of some shit and and she had that terrible season. Inouye a EH and by the end of the year it was gone again except except doper thinks she has been approved but seeing an accent opposite. You not going to Tokyo like hang it up but you really want to go out on her or whatever like no the game I. She can't stay not she case. They healthy for a long period of time. And you're not winning them access and like I saw a tweet or a set of s that stat of like. How many wildcard? She's they give it but how many trae eighteen near twenty eight. I was like eighteen wildcards in twenty eight tournaments. There's some draw from fourteen year and then withdrew. It was like giving her all these wild cards and give her on this stuff like honestly like not not just I wanna see it so I can they play qualley play. It will really help you get the batch August is she better not lose the qualities while I'm just hey we'll I can see myself getting. I think they're gonNA have to Bambi on twitter. Baby you're going to I don't I don't I don't want to say I don't like to take you know. Take a look at somebody else's pain in the mass except for Yeah make an exception for her bay. I'm added everybody at Shera family like I'm adding everybody. It would be but no but like I said I probably would low key. Health are like he could get a rhythm because you can't get in a rhythm if I unaffected as quick. Could you keep losing in the first while. She's not to do that and she saw making fun of her going into the Hawaii tournament as she gestured that. Oh and took it and took a wildcard in Brisbane instead and got boxed out in the first round so like girl like stopping a proud and do some shit that you actually do and stop trying to get out of here and make some magic campaign. You're not magical right. Could these staffing. They'd be looking forward to play higher It'll be it'll be interesting to see how she how she does like throughout the rest of the first half of the season 'cause if she doesn't get that ranking backup then come Wimbledon she'll need a wildcard art and number two eight through harassment while is back in twenty eighteen when she first came back. Twenty seventeen in twenty seventeen. I came back decor is quite realize you gotTa pothole without a doubt because she was injured or some shit. She didn't want to go to quite loose-knit exactly Komo cocoa tactic. Her Out W. Amanda seriously but Sherpa was defendant forefront points here this year she's Sir it is the bar last year it was burning. What else? Yeah you got it. So he's the here by enemies but still yeah. I forgot got all about the. Why would a moment Momo seasons me and my career already like one forty seven or something like that one forty something going to be on top two hundred think we beck is do your job though? So yeah okay. So we wanted to mention benches. She's a succeed. She's here in this section in this section should be very simple for her but it probably won't be okay. Well I'll tell you my my bracket I got spent Lehman the final anyway. So you have to stop laughing. When you have to Lena in a slam final I do? It is Murat witted. That was he lose tomorrow. Twenty seventeen French Open Champ. You may ask the Pinko is here. Cultivate is here. At least Mertens is here. mcvea is appear pickles. Dad just by booking No People Debbie plan. They mind let me go back it would. It would not surprise to go beat Benson round two getting around to. So what is she getting around to the banker qualifier that she claimed probably Let me we're going in my my job. 'cause I swear I have her out roughly around twenty two world. I have out. Let me see who. Jewish qualifier Saint Samson over. Yes out like I mean like wh who does it. Matter looking can who she's been losing to in the last two years like literally doesn't matter of the panel seem to get her life back together though like near the end last year did she okay. I mean she did a a little bit but that I'll earn. I actually only matches to be here in the first place. You've got to always watch a qualifier because they earn and what is good appoint speak at it. It wouldn't it would not surprise me see Oh sprinkle make at least a third. Round and wooden benches has only been to the forefront of here once yeah but system be healthy and shit. She finally healthy this year it. Maybe she'll do split the savings on the last page. That is not the last last year. CALCUTA was so loud though but but you know I accounts or something this is. She's the secede. Has she ever been seen before not allow about some not that I can pick up. I'm GONNA go look. Meanwhile the last section belong into Carolina push giver the number two seed. She says Kiki Ladonna Vich. Now look he he. You love me are you at it because if you I just. They're going to win this back but she can't beat hard. Yeah and basically say unless like I like her. I hope that kicking. I heard that because if she though out Tuesday and lose in the first round after after you were talking all of that mess the lack maces. I'm coming to all social media I can help They are to head to head with last time they played a last year then. Ooh I mean let me see if I can pull it up. I know that to to hit the hand laid a bit but go back. Yes so her benches career-high is number seven. That was in two thousand sixteen so this is definitely the highest. She's ever been seated slam just meanwhile lifted their head to head before. Remember the details. Are we talking about Benefits from push. Go right ahead. They are two into and notre last match for twenty seventeen. Okay implicit over one that one so it may atlas it that could go either way right it could but I mean take her if you take taking into consideration if you current form into consideration which is about the dregs albums. You'll you're dragging idea to like six four six four but I think what's gone with the wind that bad and I think that took over is going to up pretty pretty farthest. Hardly actual she's dependent semifinal point so she better go for yeah collected at the sexual who can be heard exactly but at the same time anybody on the street three truly like I don't see Taylor during their. I don't see probably a check of a door. That was like what she definitely not lose the pass. If it's passed versa push of plus. You know she don't run through her around sixteen she sticks in August. What what about Miss Angelique Kerber? Because she's seven five in their head to head who seven five Kerber got seven five over. Yes Oh well it was quite well. Yeah what is she doing right now. We're we're like seventeen to seventeen seat. Yes she did. But you don't arbor girls with Brisbane. Las Las early They did a whole bunch was getting married. I was like Oh y'all hoes really coming. Yeah like I was like wait. What who's out though Camilla Giorgis Necessa go home? Trial accused Is playing bonds Supposed to be heard. Yeah I think so. She pulled out what Oakland that's all. It is good to see district back though she I think she played pretty well in whatever warmer tournament that was that she was in. She did alright. Great Okay. Those are that's right. I was trying to D. C.. Bear on twenty twenty. Yeah I did watch the third set another it was a it was a Tube Sabri. It was too tough breaks. Yeah I watched the second. The second tie-break Burton her bounced announced near win. That I don't know who's going to do but she's about to give balanced seen but I don't have I just don't see it for her and a slam like she has shown us that she had. She had her chances. And I see her out. I have to Anisimov actually out but I never girl has a nice is gay or at least the mobile you like her. She's just area too by the way which is used. They don't because they don't usually sign like people that aren't you know like established saying yeah boundary you through the yes you did. Let go a Nike. She signed a like a nice contract with Nike at the end of last year. Will you know they get the girls alive. She's very marketable. Though I mean she starts wants to more matches she's GonNa be everywhere but she lets her. Greg actually went pretty far but yeah I like I like her. I like her game a lot she gets she gets really. Oh good depth all night all her shots That's one of my favorite things to seek because these girls don't be ready for it Mugabe's here to didn't even see ear. She plays Rogers in the first round. Rogers attacks that Roger just coming through qualities lose I shall gladly looked has been playing against Halla purse around or one of them came ready to play the way it she She just mcgrew. She pulled out of her last tournament with like a viral illness or something. Yeah because she runs. She prayed weeks to. I don't understand why you do that like why. Don't you play the week before a major bills have like maybe baby on grass but like even van. I'm not playing the week before wilder Venus. Did it with new haven of a couple of times and when the US over right after everybody Venus Williams snow and also like the new haven runs are like the there was some top girls in new haven at the time because she got like three or four years in a row. Didn't AH colleen is here. I'm not saying Cocoa Yard. We have a new cocoa. So I'm calling her way. Got A car. uh-huh laugh right ban the way. Let's you know what this little section right here. Yes ban EH. This comedy sex here like she could lose the Kiki van the winner of the Colleen Cement. Let's see well she won't kiss you hate says. I'm comfortable with where I have her. I'm comfortable with that. cuckolding away to win that match Matt. I needed to 'cause I hope I didn't because I don't even think I'm not sure how the in the way of playing right now. She's still working her way back from injury right or whatever the reason again though she'd been gone two years while younger finalists here. So Taylor Housing Housing and Plug Ula. That could be cute. Laforest Brown Taylor Taylor the great the Great Lynn. Good how are you. He hoped to win that match. And so I wanted my slow run from her. After this is going to be a year of like Syria citizen part And so I'm excited to see but I'm not gonNA put no kind of expectations on issues working with with anybody about me. Then people who've been working and why would that on your daddy them. Yes Manson here to get it together. It would she need When you say we serious tennis I hope? I hope you're right because right now. She's she's very choosy about where she goes to play. So I actually need some start winning matches these places so she the real money make some real money so she can afford to go to all these like last year. She didn't go to jingle to Asia because Like she just didn't want to spend the money like that. You know how much it would cost her to be over there right and I think part of that I think is her not believing that chill go far enough to cover her expenses and stuff like that will work out our from her tennis improve and specifically specifically for heard say this is like I like thousand like I don't want to you know rag on her like the girls like to do but sometimes she it. Does it play the smartest like she just kind of plays her like she knows. Betsy mostly work. Yeah to you know what she was GonNa do it. And it's like combat. I want her to play a swatter brand of tennis shoes. Choose when to come to the net and choose when to stay back. Doc Id choose when to you know what I'm saying. Yes she got she got a sink. More on a court like She started she played and rescue in New York. She she was rushing at net rushing Wasn't working and from the baseline right. And then she started. She started to stay back a little bit more. And you know mixing things up in it. I was working for her so hopefully she can come to incorporate incorporate that into her game and I want her to because you know what low key like. I don't think she has a plan. A beat I think has a lot to do with the fact that her serve is not the greatest So she got a she got a beef up that serves these these These eighty nine mph I served. It's not gonna cut it because you left handed like then again. You left him. All the girls got a good backhand So it's hard for uh-huh so that mean they usually don't have very serious lefties. Petra hasn't It's just it's very rare to see a lefty with like a really. They really good so that they might be the only one honestly. I mean even if you look at the men's side like Rafa has it's changed so much about his serve over the years and it's and it's still not great. Yeah I mean look at should. He is still can't do it like you know the broncos backs up with a high tennis I to like play like doesn't need to have you know why they we'll have to keep winning free points off the serve. Imagine if he did them who he used he used to early in his he had exciting Siro bike and now really trust. You don't want the best matches that he played last year that I watched what he served really well was match against serials like he survey so well getting so many people believe in spots and like really mixing it up and so he does that against Novak he would have better results. But I don't know what be going on there and that means heading. It's him so well especially only a harkness though never wreck on. Clay is different but Stay all the time so well. Do we have anything else on the women's draw the better. Wear all right so semifinalist. y'All WanNa say you semifinalist Kinda Hella Hella outages. Hey to agitate by recently I have. Yeah Yeah probably for me you well actually Yeah I gave to a minority. I'm not aware whereas my bracket correct I got here I Have I have keys in Serena Okay and I have how and certainly okay personnel back. Okay I still might take but in our leading up to mind where is my bracket with me. I have okay. Meanwhile I have I Have Alice Risk Serena Szabo Linka Anisimov Is Better than the tower move. A those are choices choices but does not wealthy. You you win the bragging in the quarterfinals. Well see I haven't noticed over the expos like Abbie making. I'll be picking stuff okay. Why won't Bruce For getting low. What is going on I I just had it? Let's not loading. I just did it. News goodness way is isn't that this is my name. This is no. I don't know why there's a loaded. Okay I haven't I haven't i. Haven't I have in the semi finals covet. So rainman spilling switch out After the switch activated for Madison Keys. I think I'm giving us a whole lot to actually giving her. I just don't know even uh-huh has she ever made a fourth-round one. Well that's what he eighteen. US Okay Yeah. Bo might take her. I'll be going to keep her about how might take picture. It's it's smoking there Eh. Maybe they maybe they have to run in with a close routes moving on we have to do men withdrawals else Andy. Murray who also just pull of mum peer and Rotterdam in February with this hip injury of his give better phase dance. Yeah Kei Nishikori. Who hasn't played since the US Open? It hasn't played healthy in almost a year. Still Out Damodar with his his avenue that he just got during into pickup. Yes sucks because he was playing pretty. Well there's a gift of him doing their little dance. He did after his matches. It just sends me every time I see it and then also depose still out. So did you see that. Did you use. Ma'am I did I yes right. Yes uh-huh doc. We don't deserve to lower top APPA. The draw is rough on the dog. He plays to Alina. I guess that's how you say that out. That's a twenty six year old playing in his first Australian. Okay single pre-nup problem I mean honestly like the band's bracket don't matter to the full list honestly honestly let's just be honest Nichols the twenty. Three twenty third seat is here versus Santiago. He I I mean everyone is going to hype up the fourth round between Rafa and nick will they both make it. I bet that nick wants to play for Australia. 'cause what's happening and so I got on there that you mentioned the point. I mean I didn't even the out. No but I have a lead. It would be cool out in the running man. This nick is still on probation. He's going to be on his best behavior and it will be to see him. He did will be cool to see him play well in Australia. Like the atmosphere of home player. You're going you know. Having a good run is fantastic and the crowd always was that they always want to get behind curious so I think it'd be. It'd be cool to see him make a little bit of a run here dominate team. The five seed is here He plays mattering. Oh first round breezy hats off. Murphy's Australia Zien Ritz. All in this Kevin Anderson to you. Yeah Yeah I wrote in dangerous floater. Serena would put it because I thought he played solid energy not become anyway you know. He gave Novak Tough Center too. So yeah and with with that serve especially if the court is playing quick. I mean you know in the. He's made it several times so yeah I don't have anything else this action so now I'm AC- Felix as their mouthpiece is there a patch. Okay so I just don't Reifer you know. Let's run to the quarter Hafer and the fact is the quarter like. I don't see no problems. There as team ever made accord here. You'd now I don't know. Oh It's find out your clay court specialists. He has not ran a sixteen. In two thousand seventeen than twenty twenty eighteen did not recall the quarterfinal for him. Not at this lamb. The only as he only has one quarter outside of Paris. And that's the two thousand eighteen open this he lost the Belbow. US Open No. He lost the Roth in that one. Center Oh oh yes. The next quarter belongs to Pinot Medvedev. Who is the number four seed? I like the He opens versus Francis Tee off. Oh who is defending quarterfinal quarter. Final points What shame on in danger? You're in danger. And this is Seattle's it goes about to lose this match. He's about to fall to around eighty in the ranking. You are lying Yup. So good luck to him. I liked France's man and I was like Oh my goodness I'm so tired of American tennis just like. Nah Ah. We're in danger of having any men in the top twenty after this event is over. I was surprised the best a couple of times. Like I feel like it's going to be the one barely in. He's number nineteen right nineteen. I'm not like surprise then ain't no stat. They've been they've been Klay Ebb and anyways then like they always they they queue for a good way to get somebody but they just go by wilco. System only wants the good win like they they queue for good try uh-huh they might push somebody a little bit but they they like They like a del Ray beach and enacted lampe yes in Atlanta. Yes a Heusen. Maybe maybe a nice little Indian Wells Miami run run to me. The final is fun. Well Yeah I just I mean I know I've said it before but I just want to off Oh to start playing some a grown man tennis in not this gym tennis. That he's still Jill every time he gets and then he would ask results because you like watching him play keep their so much talent on my gossip stuff right. It's a weapons are like super athletic. Like you don't know what to do with it. Yes I think. That's he just doesn't know how to out. I don't know what he'd be. Twenty tries to dude message like I can see what he'd be thinking sometimes but just the execution is the word needs to be like but I feel like once he really just like the Gospel Yaw Super Young so you have so much time to really get together like I'm not going to expect any you know. Oh I'm not gonNA expect any I'm not gonNA expect you to be you know where I was in my t- you know that's not fair player. But like the way hit lashed for him like. I hope that he wants to be better. But this being your first major match is not a good you know. But that's not that high though but you'd have gotten to see though and it's crazy because he should've built on. That made the quarter Ryan and Australia last year. When you made the quarterfinals of Miami and you were seated in Paris but then after that like you know it went to Shit? And that's like he got a almost manny's coach or what but there's something you have like. Anthony said he he has the game as there there are some players who have such a repertoire that they don't know what to us at exactly what time what to do with it and it takes a while from the figure that out maybe get a different different codes in somebody who can really impart on them. You know you do this Dan in this at this time and I just don't his his game hasn't experienced thing is that type of growth yet so like we said he's still young and hopefully that'll come in the passing years if climate changes to take us out anyway away but I'm rooting for him. Man Like like I said I will refer Francis so you know. Am I going to have to. Do you mean making some decisions shooter. But you got you know the Loan Korea had her hopefully hopefully this year some steps of taking forward and back like he had a little bit goodman with expert Twenty fourteen champion of wrinkle. The number fifteen seed is here versus similar Stay on the first of all. Stay as if my my thirst. Follow of twenty light team had a lot of fun with paying instagram his tweets and such You know this is like listen. I'm not ah I haven't been the fourth round. which is what his seating hose up too so I think I have the same? Give me to tablet. Do I have to lose them. The answer no. There's no way I would have never mind. It's nice to have a hope not to ask the Lord Jesus But you know I just wanted to highlight the fifteen seat because I think it's pretty good that he's been able to get his ranking backup Yeah and he'd be playing well standards want most want people to watch like is he gets the most absurd winners habit. You Aw shit like how you know so I like that. I'm just saying and it. Okay Ru Glenn is here. The fourteenth seed When he saw and and then and then Adelaide Visit Adelaide? Yeah yeah he's here versus. Ozzy Wildcard O'CONNELL whoever that is yeah I wouldn't want to play. I would not want to play. I wouldn't WanNa play an Aussie Walker you there but I mean I wouldn't wanNA play Rupe plan. Oh well here's the thing so usually I was. I was Kinda upset when I saw that. He was playing again this week after winning Doha. Because I typically don't I'm a huge which fan of especially with the young guns playing Multiple events right before slam. Especially when you're gonNA play right before It's Kinda dumb but at the same time I I don't I don't think he's in danger immediately in this section so I race. I think it's still really good for him and he's on a street he'll be confident Yeah I don't see him ever seaboard. Yeah at least Yeah Drago too. Yeah I haven't been quarter because the draw is falling apart down there so especially especially with the within the top seed in that in that little bitty section right there is Zephyr and his his games in shambles right now so that in stop you from talking Shit but anyway Various here versus chicken auto. I don't losing assembly finalists. The first round. I don't listen to check it out. Obama do have him losing early. I think I have about three. Yeah I think Lasko. which and that's Tomfoolery Absolute first round. So I'm like come. Look you get. Who is playing? I'm like I don't know what they do. You will absolutely anywhere best. Really Goffin is ner Dr in Song or all also in this section of the draw put eggs and massango basket. And I'm putting something into Soccer Basketball Escobedo. I'll let you okay but I'm not putting my eggs. The number. No no no no no no no. I'm I'm betting on him to go far in the vents especially on snap on every everything else. Okay okay I close my legs to marry men but Moved in time at the same time you know it is what it amounts B.'s. Names sheltie him from the twenty eighth seed. I didn't realize he was even ringtit of to be seated Somehow he's fine his way into the top thirty two so he always makes his way back out a bad tennis player. He just doesn't play. Well attention yeah. There was one year that I I heard him say like it was during the French Open. The he say that it was something about like the top players being untouchable and they just everybody. Everybody else didn't believe that they could beat them. And I think it was in like two dozen eleven two thousand twelve and he played Novak that year at the French Open and he probably could have pushed further in that mansion. Did it It's just it's bought. It's always statement the ever since the idea that he doesn't even believe leave that he could be those players. So if you don't believe that then why even stepping are you haze plays exactly but anyway you know. Whatever he's he's good for him be next? Quarter of a job belongs to number three Roger. Federer play a warm with. We have not seen he opens versus. Steve Johnson I think Johnson us in Johnson if he really really played like take set. Assam offer Rusty Roger But Roger in in you know in in straight probably you know most likely yeah ear after like they will be one break fat. That's how that's how he wants to do with the first round anyways burkey one time the going for. Yeah it's very Pete Sampras hit break break inside of it out and hopefully get it really. Yeah Yeah I mean this is. This is nice for him looking at this. Ain't nobody anal threats intersection. No I'm there's a possible second round versus cranach which I'm not sure why we're the down either like what I don't know what I was doing. Melman versus embarrassed could be a good match. I think they could be cute. And they're the winner of that one could possibly play her cats in the second round. Her cats playing pretty well. So are Gregoire is here. The eighteenth seed Adam relating to the high semi finals. You know hopefully Ryan. Oh my God. We'll be makes a nice little run here at least so ran a sixteen. I'm GonNa where do I have him. Lose it around a sixty number. I mean. I don't even have them that far. Say we're have him SHOPCO the thirteenth seed plays of each in this round In biggest section Chaparral is tricky. But he's playing really well at ADP Cup though like really we will buy Mike. And Mike Consistent most consistent. I've ever seen him best good side. 'cause I believable that do the ball bash for a couple of years now like I just didn't see it but I think he I mean he absolutely play better smarter Tennessee to be good like you came push Novak to send five hundred hundred if you're not playing smart Alibaba's through a same is this. I mean good Lord He's yeah I would say that Bertini is here. We haven't seen him in a while either. Didn't bad retaining a model who plays tennis. We haven't seen him since he You know all of his losses at the world finals. He didn't play lead to be there but he's here is the ACC in which is a big deal considering where he was ranked a year ago. This time And he's playing another Aussie Wildcard Harris Liberties under that Tennyson is losing in the first round period section for looking at it. Yeah it it is a torch earlier. Guido pays here phony resources playing Brown. Who you got? I have query. Wow Wow yeah I don't even remember weapons absolutely have query again query. Is qualifying all of finding. He already qualified to get into the van. And we know border torches playing tennis so in his mind he does have acute next to his name on mind you qualified to get in so absolutely picking query on even like to do. When I'm picking Cyborg I love you know? This is a very section for better better use. It gets very cute Jonathan Australia anyway. I mean story. Oh but I did remember the. I kicked Calcutta vote for me. Me Too okay thing. Yeah Yeah Poker head to head to so likely that Yarmuk Center is here and I only mentioned to him because he won the Nexgen finals and the last two people who run the next finals made the semi's Australian the open final year. Now I don't see senator doing that. He's only eighteen and he would have to go through Roger Federer do it but you know I mean maybe that's out somebody take roger out to battle city isn't that you'll be. It will be very interested in in Kinda hilarious areas if he made a run here after winning that title like a boss and Chung did. Yeah maybe fucking fuck that dude man back home is he. He's alive it isn't he. Likes Super All the time. All the time building built like wet toilet paper he just can't they built like wet toilet. Paper last. West section belongs to World Vitucci. Oh Bitch Strew Kate what I will. We'll stay is that these draws are nicely balanced for the first time a long time when I miss. I said it's always that one that's like well first of all the one who doesn't get the big players I was like. ooh That's going to be fine black. Even with one of them always has a harder job it but they didn't really I guess they rig them real nice to me gets pretty. It's a little bit more balanced than usual like. There's no one that has like a really stack section. which just means about be boring as hell into the quarterfinals? Never watching anyway. So the you said I'd have to say you stay Steph since the sixth seed is here he overs Caruso my son dependence emmy final points. He'll he'll get back to the quarters this year which will be maybe have stuff was was with Bush. Mathematics last last year was player will outside of Australia. He did good. I wouldn't be shocked if if he disciplined like taken out Novak but at the same time I will be shocked I would. It be shocked that he said but I would be shocked except for after the athlete they started to be less scared of adding the I think the only people who are being less scared are Medvedev's submitted Submitted team yes. Yeah Rep still. Don't have it the you know the rest of them. But they're all they're all a little bit. Well somebody mighty so Medvedev I think is still scared. Novak And then the other two city team were scared of Rafa. It's it's one of the other. They're not they're not they don't have the stranglehold over both of the League. None of them do that that they can be but they can't be it. I don't think it's scared a rapport not anymore. Not after he you know he he beat him in Madrid and then he played them very tough. In London. Things will be around inches of near thirty to see I I. I didn't know he was still seated. But okay good for him pairs twenty. Do I see here now. The best to make a move. I have Chile probably out in the first Braille. Knowing you know I think I have him winning one game I have him on the second out early to think how to but I'm just saying it about Goud is here. He opens his Schwartzman. is also I really. I mean I just fourteen seats. I don't like them. And we go out okay NISHIOKA versus Jimmy knavish versus Edmund and Andrew Hardware says memo. I wrote those down those that are like the interesting I romance dementia. I think could be. We won't won't see but we'll we'll take the scores hours on I'm gonNA take bracket near the section too. Do we have anything else on this section no megatonne totality rex. Feast who are your semifinalists. The top four seeds Yup. Yeah I mean basically the only one if there was one of them that I had have to pick the. If if if it's just me guessing it was GONNA be Razek. Yeah Yeah I agree with that but not not with this other although right now see. That's what that's why that's where he gets. Tricked by. Roger does well with Harvard's like he's like he's somebody will. What happened to his game? One day he'll lose like so you're you're saying you're saying he's twenty eighteen Australian Open drunk with hard okay great. It'd be ways what I'm saying. It was literally a walk in the park. He if he if I'll take one that wasn't going to make our Kim however I see all four of these now I see it maybe missile tested there. But I don't see though I don't see any of them going to the city but I'll play playing five setback. I think the I think with all that that I think one one of the hardest quarter is Jovovich if he's playing step. Yeah I could see that. 'cause Roger would if the seas would hold up he would face Bertini that would blur stuff is I mean like come on and then Medvedev who knows. We're going to be very I. The dollar team could be a that could be brutal I. So here's the thing i. I have team out of Fritz in the third round airy bearing possible and so I have Rafa Fritz in the quarterfinals in that some crazy yeah. I don't like that do but I mean yeah I could see it happening happening and then I have Medvedev. Rube live in the quarters. I don't think I don't think I have team in the quarterfinals here. Yeah Yeah No. I'm a I'm a brand finals. Hardcourt Slam on not doing that Indian. Now he shocked us in the. US opened in two thousand eighteen. But I mean that was. That's been a while we're far. I met quite all right so Power rankings cancelled. Because there's just no point in doing them at this time so we'll bring those co after Melbourne Because that would make more sense so I don't have anything Yup. Yeah the Australian Straight Open starts in thirty minutes. It does okay so you know. Follow us on social media media and all that Jazz You know tweet likes and all that Shit and then we have fun this year. Mike Yada Yada such a drag like. Let's have fun. It's a lifeless shore ain't nobody did y'all really need to prepare for is within thirty minutes of Serena's first round match. They're going to a a fake controversy between her Amiel. ASAKA over neo. MERLE SOCCER'S I g post helling. y'All that is what is going to happen because these people got on here. I don't know who it was. It wasn't the army. I'll tape right fucking now. It wasn't us we didn't do it. Some people got on there and started giving me Shit about that post. It was black twitter. What they're going to do what they're going to do is say it was Serena and the army we're going to get blamed for? I loved it immediately. I was like almost WanNa give her some of my energy but then I remembered way of doing it this nice and then like they WanNa talk to Serena like like hearts and so I was like yeah like. That's her daughter likes yes he burst. Please girl zero all of these hoes. Okay like I don't know why I have a problem with that. Like she literally made these girls but the her her daughter acknowledged harass her mother. Like we like that. That's supposed to happen. What a problem with that? I'm but I'm telling we'RE GONNA get blamed for it though I'm telling you right now just prepare prepare yourself. Maybe or don't go into your player closet some before right. You know just so you don't so it doesn't disrupt your spirit is all I'm saying because they're going to anyway. Also you know rate please. Rate and subscribe on Apple podcasts. asinine tunes spotify. All of that. Good stuff we are everywhere. Continue to support. Please leave comments and tells which what you don't like all that stuff tweet us. Our show handle is at hold your ponytails and then I am hey steady baby. I'm currently unlocked so you know. Get your life while you can. I May I always thought okay afford to do that okay. I can't always do that. I don't have a reasonably black also but this is not your original account. So I'm just say on Hulu Original Account Dutheil. Oh wait yesterday's way you were suspended a couple of times I had but you know that's my points uh-huh yeah I'm GonNa stop didn't follow like the second and third main chat and ladies people alone. I need summer as episode. Thank you okay but you know. Let's enjoy these next couple of weeks. Hopefully our queen makes a run and does some things the things she takes care business like she needs as to. I'm hoping I don't have Medvedev winning. But I would love for him to win so thing I just go ahead. I don't care who it is. I mean literally the I honestly I can't who it is because I wanted to need somebody young like you need to be like like twenty four and under partly. It just can't be done asner just not John is ner yeah see. John is not in the light. If if somebody new John Wayne pick between one and three I want Roger Ooh what just because like this whole lights left how things getting outrageous and I want it to like be rates for at least one more year so oh Allah because if he gets twenty one here was obviously getting twenty at Roland Garros. Even though I haven't decided if I'm picking my brain uh-huh that's the way Come like if there's a year like this year that it doesn't have to write like it has to be but I just wanted to be obnoxious boy at least one more year and we'll see but who cares but this is actually it's not about them. It's about twenty four and twenty five and twenty six twenty eight. It's it's about about watching Margaret Court's Turkey neck shake as she watches Serena hold the trophy for the eight. Hey time that's what it's about That's what we're really here for like. I'm just not here for anything else besides that. So but I I I'm prefer the ride like I'm here. You know it doesn't have to hear I'M GONNA help. It happens at Roland Garros. Don't happen the rolling. My hope that apposite. Where so it's happening here? She's starting to your with a win. I'm sorry I and and I like what I know about serenity like what she plays well in Australia. She plays while the rest of the year exactly echo that I needed to be his freezer up for the rest of the year like okay. All right Anthony thank you for joining us again. No problem thanks for having me again. I really enjoyed myself yeller fun. Thank God from Nigerian. Sloppy this acting the fool you know. How many compromise? My Christianity last time thank you we will be back sometime. The clip may not. We are not the read. We are not the new. I got a handout. That's a lie. Anthony don't know my life okay. I'm busy I am booked all the time I got so much shit coming up these next couple of months. It is ridiculous. Okay I have no time a right. I just you need to know that I work five days a week and our works with kids in. It's tiring hiring okay. Ten months of the year is now. I'm not because I'm tired. Yeah and I don't get paid enough for this. Okay see seems trying you you just me hours Jatta cute like one summer like a cue like okay we do okay. So what's a month will give us twelve episodes but we did twelve episodes in two thousand eighteen. Okay when asked you let me let me say this is what I was gonNA say. Jaka do like a like a doer today than host hosts Australia didn't give the girls a pre and post summer doughboy and then give the girls pre and post French at they give the girl ten day and then we are all too much pre owned coming up on your ASCAP and shit too much sound like you're okay. We'll never mind mind right now. Fighting album history okay. We're GONNA do it then I can't do. I be exact C.. Tell US okay but you'll be doing somewhere else. Oh let's keep up the boat we. We did much better last year than we did our inaugural year. Okay so where you know. It's it's on do better this year. You say episode last year even better this year we did a whole all twelve episodes. That is a lot. Okay because the month the Tennessee's only ten months so we did twelve. That's a lie that was fourteen people who also have jobs and careers careers outside of this. Honestly it also depends on how much Serena wins because you know like we don't be trying to do post Episodes and shit was shooting loss so Plus I'm so you you do after after Women last year. I'm seeing you. Do we all do. And Forget unsubscribe. Okay so we read on here a long time. Let's let's let the people go. Thank you for Hi We'll talk to you next time I buy and What did I say you didn't hear?

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Television: Former #3 on ATP Tour Talks Psychology with Dr. John F Murray

Sports Psychology Podcast

06:30 min |

Television: Former #3 on ATP Tour Talks Psychology with Dr. John F Murray

"Liberal me remorse. Elsie call for John More Rex. A winning one of currency call John Moray? Genetic weather in real tennis. Let's see caller here in a number Zito. John Moray caller profession ident Motola Guetta eighty Tony Leo new model is martinis. Then he's intelligent insult journal. Janelle focuses. Recommend polic- diving four if legal importance again in contrast you on in. But Intel vandals realty away thea. Dr moret. Thank you very much. What is the main difference between the working with a regular person than athletic? It's a lot more fun for one Jose. I enjoy working with athletes a lot because what you're doing is. You're taking people that are already healthy. And you're helping them become super healthy MD performing better in general counseling. Oftentimes, you're working with issues like depression and anxiety. You see a little bit less of that. It's really. I enjoy going out to matches to watching people perform as opposed to just seeing them in my office. So I go out and work with them on the court. I see what is the MAs common problem which tennis players. I think attention in any sport is the problem. This is staying focused and being able to stay focus for a long period of time and to stay focused on the right thing to not to lose focus is a real important factor. There the competitive pressure is what comes to mind right now to me, what is different from practicing and actually playing it's it's quite different. Both players are more intense. And you're thinking more about the possible outcome losing and winning. And so what you do is realize that nervousness is okay. I encourage everybody to be nervous. It's a great source of energy but nervousness associated with negative thinking is bad. And so we can just learn to be more positive accept the fact that you're going to be a little excited and just go through it. That's. Most important thing except the nerves but enjoy it especially for the tennis player. You know, so many hours on the core. Keep concentration do you have something some strategy to do over there. There's lots of strategies one of the things we try to help players do is to number one stay focused externally on what's going on the court, for example, a player's gonna put a ball away often. They'll start looking maybe at the court rather than at the ball or those start thinking about what's happening after the shatter with the scores. So helping them stick properly focused, and really I like to think of focusing stink fascinated in the moment really enjoying what you're doing so much. There's no point of being distracted. What do you teach someone to have a winner mentality? Having a winning mentality is really an issue of confidence. So it's interesting. A lot of people think that you have to be born with confidence that only the great players only. The Pete Sampras is. Is not true, not true. At all. In fact, I can take recreational player or somebody who's trying to break the top hundred and show them that the way they think is completely controlled by them. So expecting the best is something everybody can achieve to be number one into were any sport you have to born some special or you can improve mentally. I think there has to be ideal mixture of genetics muscles and also training. But at the same time, mentally, I think it all has to come together to be number one only one person can be the best. You got to be very very strong. Right. That's right. But I think there are several people that could be number on the world given time, and whoever is I believe it's very much a mental factor. How focused they are confident. They are. And that's something that we try to constantly do help people constantly raise the level of their game. Thinking feeling. Are there mental exercises? So that someone can learn to concentrate more on the court, absolutely one of the things. I try to do is help people develop a a ritual. So that before they hit the return of surfer example, they set their feet a certain way and the same way or before they serve the the ball the same number of times. The same way exactly helps them get into a rhythm at the same time. I help them say maybe silently rehearsal word to themselves like focus or concentrate. That's another way to stay focused. There are many techniques. How do you multi wait an athlete who is emotionally drained? That's one of the toughest things because the mental game oftentimes falters. When a person becomes physically drained, I like to think of actually the whole person. So if a person's physically fatigued, that's when they have to fight the hardest and right now, you can see in Laura spatial, young young guys. Young kid. It's they have too much pressure about departs. What do you recommend over there? Especially to to the parents parents have gotten them here. But now it's time to lay off really have to be careful that you keep it a fun thing for the kids that one thing I try to tell the parents that motivation has to come from within the child if it's coming from outside. It's never going to be a truly enjoyable experience. And the player will never become as good as they can possibly become. So they have to learn to back off and let the children develop on their own. So I think it's more important that we think in terms of life skills, using sport as a way to learn how to be successful in business after sport. And also to have fun to enjoy themselves and develop. I also I hear you write a book is martinis. That's right. And it's not yet in in Spanish, I hope that happens soon. I'm hoping for somebody to come forward. And fact, I actually have one for you Jose. Thank you. I'd like to. Like to present this to you. Thank you. Thank you. Dr Martin is Medicare more malware. No, he seven kin Khin law out thirty so. Lansing impor-. Thank you. Thanks for your time. Doctor I hope you do they not.

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Phil Penman

Photography Radio

38:05 min | 1 year ago

Phil Penman

"I like very serene Going and snowstorms when nobody else is around or just shooting these Moody's cityscapes very powder opposite to how I was when I was a celebrity photographer. You're listening to photography conversations. Were cheers with his comprehensive interviews with passionate photographers and the most innovative photo industry leaders developers and influencers. This podcast will help you stay inspired and well informed photographer. He worked as a street cleaner. He photographed Michael Jackson. He worked as a garbage man. He photographed some of the most successful cycling teams in the world he worked as a DJ in a nightclub and today he has one of the best selling street photography books in the world. Hello it's Tom and on today's show. I am talking to feel penman British photographer leaving and working in New York City about his fascinating career about transitioning from being Papa Razzi to being a street photographer about his book called Street about Ethics in street photography and about his absolutely stunning New York images. Enjoy my conversation with Phil Penman. How are you doing this morning? I'm very good. Thank you for having me on Brayshaw. Wonderful very happy happening I have your book called Street in front of me two decades right of your photographic work capturing all possible facets of of New York City and your own work Curated down to two hundred twenty pages of your best images so Street photography your celebrity. Were landscapes cityscapes. Wonderful Book Congratulations. Thank you very much. Yeah it's I've been shooting since about fifteen so coming on twenty seven years now but I I moved out to New York in two thousand and the the work in the book is more Kind of my transition from moving here. You know shooting nine eleven working as a celebrity photographer and then moving more into street photography so so yes about twenty twenty years of while twenty years of my life right. Yeah I was looking at your work photographing. You're you're reading your story. It's pretty pretty remarkable What kind of experiences you know you had as a photographer. What kind of all possible? You're capturing with the camera and somehow it's still everything ties together that you can put it into one book. I think is great question. Let's start with the cover. So you a photograph of a gentleman And I'm talking of course about the streets book right. Yeah you chose a photograph over over a gentleman standing on the forty second street wearing a suit carrying a bag and having a bunch of leaves on his head which basically makes his face completely invisible right so why this particular image for the cover. This actually Was Chosen by the publisher like When I started working with publisher cool clarity and it was made very clear during the meeting that the no. Everything's going to be your own way. We're going to have disagreements about things and you know this is a joint joint effort and I trust their judgment because they've done a lot of books in the past and they've won awards and so I kind of trusted judgment and they remember. I was driving down to job in Washington. Dc and all of a sudden. I got an email with here is what we would like to have as the cover and when I saw like great because that's actually damage the I would have liked to seen on the cover anyway and it was just funny. Everybody kind of came to the same conclusion that that was the image. They wanted. Nice perfect so is it an image. Which in a way like encapsulates for You New York City crate. Yeh I love you know I walk around all day and being on the bike when I was Working doing celebrity photography. You just see you all over the city you'd see the great characters walking around and one of like do is go to these people and just you know. I wasn't looking to shoot candidate or anything like that. It was more. My work is Kinda street portraiture so that. So many of these people the Interesting people Seeking attention some completely shocked. You even want to talk to them. take that picture so it's a good mix but The first portion of the book is Oh street portrayed somebody just four is a nice way to lead into it. Do you like vividly. Remember this particular conversation with this gentleman. This gentleman I is. I was just hanging around taking some pictures on forty second street one of the buildings and and I turn around and he's just stood there. Okay this bizarre right. That's like some weird trip. Soy a does just like a a gotTa Grab Dash and normally you ask people summit. No I don't want my picture taken. Discover A he's like. Yeah okay normally happens essential. Ask anyone to take a picture though. They'll strike some stupid pose although the peace sign or something and I'm just it's not what I'm looking forward want is just a straightforward standard poultry search Stein that with your with your briefcase to the side because to me in the fight. He's in a business suit he's briefcase. That's Kinda grab me. I mean it's strong because it's kind of in a normal and absolutely weird at the same time right. So let's rewind a little bit so you started your photography career as celebrity photographer. We can probably say. Paparazzi is correct. I actually believe it or not. My photography career start as local needs pipe photography in England. I was doing a every everything finger. Think of shooting politicians kissing babies in a project presentations Then I moved onto a hard news agency where we would be shitting crime scenes Roadside accidents and then when I went into corporate photography where I was actually the CO pro photographer for Microsoft. She angle that corporate directors. And then you know the the goal the I always want to live in New York and I was on a job. One day on a stakeout and eleven o'clock at night covering some very unwell no-name British celebrity and the guy that was working with reciting the Carney said. Oh you should cool up my friends Kevin Gerry in Los Angeles so cool them up and they sure enough they had a job. Bay I think like two or three weeks of his working in Los Angeles and then off the six months of working that kind of shooting celebrity Paparazzi were Portraiture they had moved to New York to set up main office for them. What was a really dream? Came through like immediately in in a in a blink right. Yeah it was really Fox learning really fast learning process. There's no messing around soon. As I met the guy off a plane. It was like you know this weekend. You can be graphing Pete. Sampras is wedding there I am thinking. Oh this is great. I'm GONNA be like fish oil photographer Pete Sampras wedding. Not On what? You're going to be doing it. You can have a camera stuff danube pants. And you're going to be walking around the Beverly Hills hotel trying to find a bride and sure enough. I she came out the frontal with data. Best me with a camera down my pants with a whip with the tiny camera. Take a picture like it was a old film camera like a candidate. One and remember died. Came up to me as like a white you taking a picture and he knows full. Well why I'm taking Patriots Casino. She looks very pretty so can imagine all possible reactions who are getting from people from the situation with bodyguards and so on. I read some stories you shared in some of your interview so such a such a different kind of work right work as photographer. Because you know when I'm looking like interim innocence I mean I'm I'm looking at your photographs today at your street. You know beautiful shots Moody You. Know Cityscapes Yeah so I I'm just wondering because so basically you have this talent. You have the amazing I but working as a celebrity photographer is working in an incredible speed. Sometimes having probably half a second to get the shot right so I was wondering. How did you feel at those times you know? How are you combining your your aesthetic? Let's say you know composition of ideas and you know feelings with with depression with isn't even possible to combine those those aspects. I I would say neither. The PAPARAZZI celebrity side is. You know I never wanted to do it. But it was my access to be able to work in the. Us and photography. A lot of photographers. Losing their jobs right now. We'll have been for years and it was. You know which is going to be the lost Paul photography this standing there most of the industries. The I knew have gone. So it's a question of you know you WanNa make money or begun doing a job and I've done pretty much every other job you can think of at some point in my life and I wanted to stab his badly so I was willing to take this do the job but I've spent depressed. I hate it in especially if you Have aspirations as a photographer and enjoy taking pictures? So I would say for about fifteen years now Ten Years I was more consumed wave just making enough money to pay the bills and stay in your book and then it wasn't you know I was so depressed. Angry all the time that I bought myself A LEICA M seven upper friend of mine and just studied started trying to think of projects. You know so taking pictures of the guys I worked with somehow to be honest. I can't imagine that you that you went for ten years being depressed. I think probably you should see. I think Paparrazzi Guys Police. Mela most angry miserable people. You'll ever meet in your life because nobody will. No one wants to do it but you had. You had your cycling on decide that was. I could take my aggression on the pike. So you photographs. You know. Biggest names Lopez Kadarshian. Tom Cruise Angelina Jolie. And so on. And today you you mainly or correct me. If I'm wrong. May Be exclusively work on creating some truly beautiful street and cityscape shots of New York producing books. Yeah I went in I just I couldn't take any will snapped. So what was the transition like? When did this transition stunt for your child? The transition was really strange. To be honest I am. I think around twenty fifteen broke just snapped. I couldn't take it anymore and I had a friend of mine. Who was a salesman for a cycling Branko steadily which is like an old Italian company made cycling clothing and I just said to him. Look do you have any jobs anything at all? And he said yes. Sure enough actually have a job as a salesman setting seiken clothing over the northeast of America. So I said I'll take so I found myself getting up at five. Am every morning to about eleven at night dealing with Cycling teams selling them this clothing. You know we had team sky. Which was one of the big tour Franz team that we worked with and I would. I went over there to me organized. Shut up shop photo assignment. You know it's not like I stopped taking the taking pictures but what I did was the jobs I would take were jobs. I wanted to do so celebrity pool traits features and it was. I was doing these two jobs at the same time and allowed me to transition out of the Paparazzi weld into just trying to build up an income shooting purely street at allowed me to have health care To be able to make a living but at the same time shoot and build up my street photography so today making you're leaving you know is a photographer. Yeah I I quit the cycling job once. I knew that I could support myself purely based on just street photography and doing books and selling prints as soon as I soon as I knew that I could do that. I quit so so you are a living example. Actually of also person who many people believe argue cannot exist. Actually Photographers Street photographer. I Dunno if you define yourself as a student photographer but probably you. The title of Your Book Is Straight Shooting Predominantly Street and cityscapes and you're an living example walking example of a photographer who can make a living. You know being exactly a street photographer. Which many people argue is absolutely doable. It's well it's doable but Willing to put in the twenty years of Doing something that you don't want to do to get the you know you can't just say hey. I'm going to become a street photographer tomorrow. So you are saying that. This celebrity photography career ten years of doing that helped you establish yourself as who you are today as a completely different kind of talk. Oh definitely I think You learn from your land. Fincher walks of life learning. You know how to deal with people I worked to the nightclub. Fee is working behind the bar. Dj and interaction with people in the club You know I was a street cleaner. I worked as a garbage man. All these different jobs that I've done in my past Working on a FEMME. I find that all of these experiences of added up to how you treat people Which can help your new photography you when you approach people on the street or you know finding some common interest When you I always find when do pool traits with people? I always find to try to find some common ground. Something we can discuss. What each other and it makes put them at ease so yeah definitely definitely helped the Paparazzi Because I wasn't the bike day looking around the city. It showed me parts of the city that I wouldn't necessarily have seen before. And they also help me get Elise Street pool traits that I probably would never seen. I think we could make this our today's conversation here way shorter. If we talk about things you didn't do in your life right other this beautiful you know. I couldn't agree more. I did many and still do different things. You know. Also being a photographer and I couldn't agree more that All of that we do you know. Come through and kind of You know our photographs are full of of of what we have done in our life so far. I couldn't agree more being the you know the the celebrity photographer now street photographer state. I'm trying to dig here. Do you see any any parallels or similarities. Between these two genres of photography there are certain like aggressive tendencies. I would say that Sets Street photographers have It's it's weird because when I was a patsy celebrity photographer a lot. The work we were doing was very annual face I wouldn't say that we got into arguments that time but you would definitely very intrusive The demand for the peaches is so big you know we couldn't keep up with the public's demand for and there are certain shoot photographers Work in that same way. But they're doing it with regular people Rothman celebrity. I'd actually find that some chief designer lot more aggressive than Paparazzi photographers But it's on the that has never been my style. I'm not one I I was when I was a Paparazzi. Believe on the actually when I was pressurized see most of my work would be very very long lens but if I had to be shortland stuff like of photographers around. You wouldn't have a choice but with my street photography I I move standoffish. Like I said I. I prefer to St Paul traits than I do jumping in front of their face and blasting them I like very serene Unlike going and snowstorms when nobody else is around just shooting these Moody's Cityscapes Berry powder opposite to how I was when I was a celebrity photographer. So The Times of shooting. Brad Pitt on his boat from Bush's over you you should Leica right Dominantly like and what is your lens of choice or focus of choice. I can't have won the. This is something that I've been learning a lot about with Sun Street photographers recently. Is this seems to be this? Divide law people. Don't realize like if you're working street working photographer. The two lenses that you would always have a twenty four to seventeen seventy two hundred. These were the the gold standard every For had one and a lot of my work shoot on Telephoto I like to compact street scenes. United like shoot longshots the other lands that we would have sixteen to thirty five so I tend to shoot. I have a thirty five. Sumo locks one four. Seventy five to ninety two Two eighty us on LYCRA. So so you're mixing mixing things. That are is a Guy. I don't think in terms of our I'm GonNa go out and just shoot thirty five mill- because I I actually feel that. You WanNA show a bit more depth than you work as well and I don't want it all to look formula like everything is shot with a thirty five. Nolan's you know that's navy somebody else's style but to me that's not my style like to show like you said more debt for my work. Maybe some close ups maybe some wider wide shots. There's no one formula. Would you say general other and the like main elements you know The draw your attention or elements that you're looking reacting to the possibility of making a great street image. Is there something you could define? What is it that that makes you react? I like to create scenes as in not set something up but I'll go out you know like if I know the web is going to be really really really bad. I'll use that as my scene and then when I'm out in it I will. It's like You know a friend of mine defined as kind of like an upper way you you know You start slowly building up a scene. You know I'll have maybe a backdrop of the city under fog and then I know that it's going to be a foggy days. Saw like all right well what joy? Us full ground. Maybe today. I WANNA use near the Brooklyn Bridge. I'M GONNA HAVE THAT. And then slowly staw introducing people elements you know Maybe silhouettes maybe some someone with an umbrella and then the next element you start adding will want to. I want that person to look like what kind of character and I might work. Seen for an hour shooting different perspectives. Or waiting for the right person to come through Okay so it means. You are rather discount photographer. Who Pre visualize things and then really kind of like you said builds this setup. Yeah there there's more kind of for me. You know the this there were pictures. Way You with the blink of an eye and you get a tool for my best images I think from last year appear lucky accidents. You know I was waiting for a particular picture to happen. There was one where I was a foggy day. And I'm looking down the street avenues. And I'm trying to get a picture of a guy walking across the middle of the street with pheno his umbrella and he silhouetted and on going through my. I managed to get that picture and then I'm going for my pictures on my computer and all of a sudden I find this frame where a car has driven fronts and is the window has frayne somebody perfectly walking with an umbrella and I couldn't. I couldn't if I went out today I could not get that picture and it was just a pure luck and people were like. Wow great timing you gotta be gotta be kidding. There's no way I could have ever done. This was think remember. This picture was quite recently instagram account. Right yeah so drivers sitting in the car and then there's a guy behind the vertical shot right back. That's the that's the scary thing is I'm learning as well that people do set stuff up like that and I find that I can't even comprehend that you would go out and setups Pictures this would be a completely different approach. This I have this discussion with quite often with photographer. Friends like you know the first reaction we have like. I have when I'm browsing through toward CEOS your website or to your instagram feed. I mean I see images right right I see image and of course the verified things that happens is I. React to an image to be honest. I'm not the kind of person for example who would immediately start analyzing and and you know and wondering how and you know. Which way was it stays little? I just like the image. Not But as you say there is something behind the behind the image on the you know which only the photographer knows. And it's we are going into antics here almost right definitely so this is a very thin line to walk. Do you happen to have your book somewhere within the rich of your hand or not. I I don't can I can grab it. If he can wait one second. I mean you probably remember the image. I mean I. I don't think you remember page number patient. One hundred one hundred ninety I sink. If I'm not mistaken it's a it's passage kind of underground passage in the in the central park. Okay there is. There is a fountain background. There is a dog on the right side. And the woman you know referring back to to the conversation who just had. Do you remember if this was a snow in the background. Right exactly. Yeah I can I know. Look at this image and think about what we talked about. It's you thought this beautiful light and reflections and you were basically waiting for things to happen. Well I wish I like I said I knew the weather was going to be bad. So I went out in the snow I hadn't shot central park in a while so I figured I would go there and have a look brands. A property spent a good thirty minutes shooting silhouettes of people walking through the passage and then I was walking away to leave and it wasn't until I left that I spotted the reflection and thus when I go the picture the was different. You know that particular place has been shot. Many many times You know it's a popular spot. The defend I liked was the fact that the snow creates this backdrop. Where you'll you'll basically losing everything so you isolating your subject in the full grounds. So the you don't see you know the trees in the background. All the boats and the restaurants that are in the backdrop it's a beautiful image beautiful anglosphere. Really loved your should predominantly black and white but like once in a while you produce and present a color photograph. That's just when the camera goes wrong to be honest. Well unless you're shooting was like monochrome then then it should not go to bed right. I have have a monochrome and I have the. Sol's that I use. And obviously I'm shooting for a client then everything's color and we we make it like I'm white later but if if I'm going out purely for myself and I just WanNa have fun I'll take the monochrome out but but the images in your personal instagram feed. There is some of them. You know exactly. The percentage is way lower but there are some color images. So what does it take for any particular image for you to decide to to to make a caller shot? Most things you know. There's if you're looking at neon signs then obviously to me. It works better in color. I usually have color body like. I'll take the body in my bag with me and I know I feel. I've also found that a lot of it can be dependent on my mood as well. Like if I'm angry or depressed or stressed out I love my stuff. Might be very very moody looking black and white images and then I found myself shooting Mukalla recently so I don't know maybe maybe I'm getting a little bit more grounded and not angry anymore. Maybe it it is. Everything is a reflection of your of your. You know your inner inner self right. I think so. I think it comes out and you work if you don't think about it too much. There is one absolutely amazing. I Adore and ended for those of you listening. I will have the links in the show notes of make sure to go to Phil's instagram account. And there is a photo You posted it on November four last year and I don't know exactly where it where it is in New York. I have been to deceit few times but I couldn't tell exactly but this is a long avenue also snowy snowy evening I would say and this is full of red lights out. Yeah Yeah Looking Beautiful just love looking. It has a Madison Avenue as funny because we were talking about ethics in the UK. They just posted that picture up a couple of days ago and the is personal ads. The instagram account actually contacted me and said we were having a lot of questions by people saying. Was that picture of manipulated. It's like the way I look at it as we got it. We didn't and that was just Is Lucky but you make your own luck like I. I chose to get up at three. Am and a snowstorm. I chose to walk around the city and look for images in you know that was probably shot like six or seven. Am on Madison Avenue. Also this is a very very early in the morning and there's no reason you get up early because you don't want any cause in a shot so you make is so that you can stand in the middle of the avenue not see anything so yet. That was again. Lucky that the way to DEFA maybe ten minutes waiting for the traffic light patterns to recycle and full waiting for a person to walk across the street. Beautiful Congress in cases. That's the street photographer. This best. Yeah? Let's let's get back quickly. Once more to the book to straight you released it immediately very quickly made it to the top of the street photography book listening Amazon Right. Yeah I can't shop Did Yeah exactly did he. Did you expect? Do you. Didn't expect the sex NACHO I was I. I wasn't told anything I was looking on Amazon. Allowed the believe it or not a lot of stuff I find out from people will fruit instagram. Saying Hey I just saw your book in such and such and I have no clue. No Knowledge Aveer to So when I was looking on Amazon I saw that there was a number one next to the book. Had No idea what it was. I clicked through and it was like number one new release on Amazon and there was some. You know. Big Name Photographers. The will also in that list Cyrus. It was pretty shocking that they had so presold that many great. I just checked to out of curiosity when preparing for this interview. How is it looking today? It's ceiling very on the very top. You know in the top seven guess books on on street photography so so Congress. I mean what does it mean for you to or maybe in other words? Why did you decide in the first place to to you know? Put Your photography into a book on paper. What what did it mean for you? You want I think you just want something in print I digital is very nice but it's digital and this is something different about picking up a book you know. I'm I'm sat on the floor right next to a pot of ten books right now the I go to you know auto newman semester so Gado and avalon this just something nice about going through a bull cool holding You know having a silver gelatin print on your will this. I'm I I remember when I was printing in the dock. Where mid the frill you would get from that. Do you believe you know. Paper is finalised nation of a good photograph desolate. So you know I found out about your work. I found your website your instagram account. The moment I found out here you have a book out. I knew I had to get a book awesome because I knew you know it will elevate the entire experience and and you know appreciation for for your shots to completely another level and And I was disappointed so I'm happy into saint page. It's it's funny because a lot of Believe it or not I think law might better work actually shot since I did the book I was kind of. I think to probably two of the images are shot lost year to my favorite two of my favorite images of every shot and I couldn't get them in the book those one in the Nuke the black and white shot on the monochrome which are more is probably one of my favorites and then the one you were speaking about earlier with traffic lights and you know. I'd I'd love to do another book one day but it's doing a book is a a big undertaking like we. We went for about fifteen hundred images To get it down to what we did and there were images I would have liked in the book but you know. The publisher didn't necessarily want those ones in the book. They had a certain look. They were going forward as well and like I said earlier. They you know we were going to have disagreements How long would you say the entire process from the moment you got the idea you know would be great to have a book till you know. The last email or less photograph sent ended. The last page was designed. How long did it take the entire process? And that's working will publish a lot of books. I know some photography books can take two free. He is to do so. I've been hearing from somebody aperture they of a day. In some of the books take full years you know to produce a book is the. You're going back and full for the photographer I'm I'm not a publisher. I don't know how to lay out a book on Sadhna. Try and tell them how to do the edge. All that's why you will hiring them right now. They definitely did a great job. Also you know the the way book is produced and is just a so everyone listening a street by fuel penman. I will have the the links to everything in the show notes. Feel thank you so much. I think we'll be wrapping up soon. what what are you working on these days plans for two thousand twenty something exciting on the horizon? What's your what are your dreams for this year. So that she yeah well. I teaching along this year on. I'm going to be in Miami and February I teach for liker academy and then I'll be teaching in. I'm going to be doing a show in Bellevue Washington state with Gallery out there and I'm GONNA be teaching teaching out there as well and then try to welcome the next book. I've you know the the big one I WanNa do is the twenty as off the nine eleven My work from nine eleven. I've been going down there in shooting. How is now the same streets that show on nine eleven and how they look now and it's a great idea absolutely meek meeting the people that I photographed online Levin and working with them again? That's a big project but I I don't know if I get a better. Get it done in time. It will be for the twenty five year anniversary. You know however long it takes. It's definitely amazing. Idea wish you all the best Hank List project and thank you once more great conversation. Great Great Photography and thanks for having meal appreciate it. Thank you so much. Have a great year you to talk under.

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Scoop B Radio Overtime f/Efrem Yates [Owner x Franchisee of Your Pie Pizza] (2020)

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Scoop B Radio Overtime f/Efrem Yates [Owner x Franchisee of Your Pie Pizza] (2020)

"Scooby Radio on the plane on the train in the house. You guys are figuring out what the next is I am Robinson. Make sure a follow me on twitter at scoop be instagram snapchat scoop underscore be and make sure most importantly that you all scribes with the scoop. Be Radio PODCAST is available on patents providers and networks apple podcast way through an APP stitcher APP spotify was simply by visiting SCUBA RADIO DOT COM COMPONENT. Water million clash your body from Pete Sampras Voice of fearing Dj calot major key mark. Cuban School Hill. Everybody everybody everybody Mama's bomber sports entertainment lifestyle You name it and on the phone right. Now is the guy who definitely struggling a lot of different things out in North Carolina right now no Cadillac applegate. Who is the owner of your pie which is in Cary? North Carolina Sir. They can for taking some time with us. I know with a very busy time with everything going on with corona and people figuring things out. What's going on first of all just managing it a day at a time? I think if you add up sort of been telling my colleague you ask any leader and they you know pretend they have all the answer. They're just they're just lying right. We're all figuring this out with the best information that we You know though like my job as a leader is just to you know. Take all the information and make the best choice. I can't I'm being very transparent with team. I'm watching the news outlet and paying attention on social media twitter data and trying to leak crew. This right you never really know. Decision the perfect decision right but you just have to be able to live with the outcomes and you have to communicate with your team and you have to just let them know that most importantly in a situation like this where everybody a little bit fearful. Everybody is sort of on edge. You just tell him. Obviously the first the first priority is to keep them safe and their families say and then our customers safe right and so. That's kind of the three things that are guiding all the decisions that I'm making personally so I know Carolina There's you know everybody from what I understand can out. They can't dime in most of your business come from dining or out so I would say majority of our business is dining customers particularly given the way that sort of you know. You're being bad casual contact. It really is it. Really sort of tackled that niche of family friendly. You know you can bring a family of five and four reasonable price. Everyone can have a good meal right and so I definitely think you know. We're going to see. Some flattening failed in a result as a result of that. But that said you know we've already put into motion things like curbside delivery. We'VE ALREADY BEGUN TO LEVERAGE. Some of our delivery partners like door dash to still take advantage of our online ordering capability to dispatch delivery order. We've already seen a pretty significant uptick and take out in delivering. And so we'll keep working that and you know partner with local businesses To try to get them get them food. And so that's sort of the strategy that we're using F as owner Franchisee of your pie. Carrie Carolina makes it a follow him on Instagram at. Ea Eighty four check out his business. Your Pie Carrie. On facebook as well make sure you like that and I couple of things looking at your profile Number one you from Kingston North Carolina. Yes Sir two houses from yeah back houses from there you got Brandon Ingram. Who's killing it this season? Finally I think coming into its own. You know I know Orleans was a really good look for him. He seems to be taken off and it seems to have a coast that really believed in them. And then you have Reggie bullock who still making noise in the league right now so yeah we put out. We put out our fair share of Cooper's I would say and you are a graduate of Chapel Hill North Carolina Yes you got it. It's no college basketball right now. No NO CAROLINA IS. A basketball bad. How are you dealing with that? How I mean what is it like? Does it give me give me a picture of what new Carolina's like without basketball and everything? That's going on right man. If you actually a hoops fan man. It's pretty. It's pretty depressing man. My in My of course some of my friends who are Duke fans you know I. I actually kind of relish this moment. Those like we're not gonNA tournament you go through the Medieval so I mean even at the tar heels feel able to get those big man but you know when ball it ball is life there man so I mean even from you know as a kid you play you know recreation read to you know I think everyone billing in my friends are just trust manners. Like no games on it. It's just getting into the thick of the playoff race in Lebron's just beat the clipper those here's oppose the plane again. It's not any of that and it's like what do we do? You know so. I think from my standpoint basketball is my me for. I'm not a huge. Nfl Guy. I'm not really a college football guy but I can watch any basketball from high school. Aau Up to MBA. Hope for me for me on definitely kind of filling filling that law. What was it like going to school in North Carolina? Oh Oh my goodness man I mean I can remember and I don't feel doing now but I can remember being in high school and it was the big deal teacher would bring you remember the school. Tv's that were on the whale back in before they had the IPODS and all of that brought the TV in the classroom and we watch the tournament like it was like you knew like when the within the tournament that called teacher was going to let you watch the basketball game in the classroom. That's just. It was just an unspoken rule so life for for a growing up in North Carolina and that climate. I've been UNC fan. All my life man earliest. I can remember in ninety three win a championship with Rick Fox and Georgia Atlanta in that whole crew. So you now sort of went on my mind up. I was going to USC. Like I told my mom I only applied for one school. I might've been Mars thing but it worked. You know. So those are the Dean Smith Day. Still yes there is. You're right Radio on the line talking with every gates. He's taking time out of his busy schedule between pack and boxing and and cooking and doing some of everything I would imagine you still being a Franchisee or an owner of a New York. Hi Carey you still get your hands dirty in the kitchen. Oh absolutely I am you know. I am very much president in my store. You know dislocation took over fairly recently so you know I was sharing and You know in another talk with having him. Probably the first you know sixty to ninety days that you know. I wound responsibility for the shop. I with seven days a week. Seventy plus hours right. I mean so I'm very much involved in part of it. Is You know as as leader it is ultimately responsibility to establish the culture to establish best practices and ultimately to kind of put our fingerprint on the business right. And how can I possibly do that? If I'm not there. And not actually on the front lines with my team. Interacting with our guest and learning what they like what? They don't like what my team needs from me. And so you know I take that responsibility very very seriously me. I'm in the store today right so you know for me. This is sort of what I de decided where I'm going sort of my stake in the ground for now and you know build build from so for me. You can't if you're not. Keep your eye on the ball. What are what are you doing? You got to be there to do that for sure for sure. I just taking a look at your your bio couple things that stood out to me Background retail sales I relate to that When I was in college I worked at a best western when I graduated. I was working at a best. Western hotel making beds cleaned rooms At Work Victoria secret of the stock worker and a worker floor and I so I understand you learn certain things from different places like you hear people worked at McDonalds when they were in high school. And so what I looked at you. Buy The thing that stood out to me. Was you worked at Carmax before climbing the assistant buyer and managing the high injured department at Neiman. Marcus Spent the latter part of your career An allocation to planning for paying one imports And other well known retailers. What did you take from those experiences at Pier? One carmax deeming markets that you apply to Your Business Today At at the pieces about well I think first and foremost is you know you really have to be customer centric and I think that sort of tied back to your initial question you know. Am I still getting my hands dirty? You know one of the things that you know. I learned very quickly from you know whether it was working on the South Floor and Karnak in my opinion telling cars about it. Sure sale hardcore sale. You can be right and you know from. They are managing commission sales associate and a high in jewelry environment. Where you know you. May you know I can remember. Doing trunk shows for vendors where we might one hundred thousand dollars worth of jewelry and one day right and I and so for me. I've always had that. They'll and customer focus. I've always kind of been in the game so to speak. And so you know that. Dna So to speak wouldn't change now. That I have my own business. I'm still very much every time I'm in the store I'm striking up a conversation where toge- you know remembering that their son had a hockey game. I bet one kid that if he scored a hat trick hockey game I give them a free pizza. You know like I'm just mall way in that mode because ultimately that's what makes your store different from another store even a franchise dead right. You're sore at your personality and your fingerprint and it has to feel like the customers in this location. Have to feel like they're store. And the only way you get to be perfect to be personal and to you know. Have that connection with them. So you know I try really hard to do that and when you said that you know you gave me a flashback. I I duNno same. Another franchise cuss where I remember. Certain pizza store when you read certain books. You got the coupon you've got free Personal Pan Pizza. I remember that yeah definitely definitely I think I have. I got some of those in Elementary School for sure. You know. It's one. It's one of those things that you know what we what. I had some success with doing you know very early on that partner with a middle school band boosters and I've done PTA like spirit nights where I have one elementary school their school mascot came into the space and that was a really fun night we were able to give a percentage of those proceeds bag to the parent teacher organization. And so you know not necessarily the fame read a book get a Free Pizza. But we've definitely been very much intentional about plugging again to our local community and you know one of the things that are really stressed. The My team is at my alternate goal. Is that you know wherever our stores are planning around. You know the triangle area that the community immediately you know adjacent to or connected to our stores are better or becomes better because we're a part of it and the easiest way to do that is to start to make those relationships with organization leaders and you know kind of plugging yourself info to speak and really being ingrained and sort of woven into the fabric of that community. So you know we're really trying hard do that and be authentic in the way we do as well you know for sure. Franchising is not necessarily be easiest thing to do radio online with from Owner and Franchisee of your pie and cary North Carolina. My family in the in the eighties imparted seventy eighty in the nineties. Owning Athlete's foot sneaker store in Harlem we though Athlete's foot yes sir yes sir We were the only black owned Athlete's foot in New York state One Hundred Twenty Fifth Street and Lenox Avenue in Harlem and so I'm curious to know Was it difficult in North Carolina or just general to get that process started with you with with your pie. I'm it's interesting. It's what I found is that I you know sort of to give you a little bit of contact I've been very much interested in franchising for probably seven or eight years now and probably the last five or six years. I've been very intentional about researching different brains and different concepts for one reason or another. That opportunity just didn't work out until you're pointing their work. Some brands that you know the concept was good but maybe they didn't have the territory availability that I wanted so I felt that I would be Cajun hold or restricted and turn out how I can grow but other brands where I you know. Felt that man like it seems good but I just don't get that feeling that they're really sold on me that they're really invested into what I offer in terms of BMI diverse background and experience. And what I can bring to the table and so you know your point. There were certain you know opportunities that I frankly passed on. It didn't go further because of that reason just feeling well. I don't WanNa have to. I'm begging you take money right like so so in that regard but then with your pie was very much different. I mean from my very first email. You know they were just very much welcoming and very much like you know the follow up with bare. They were very transparent. They let me talk to as many biffing franchisees about what it would probably talk to. You. Know Eight Franchise Bean our long conversations and I would be able to reach out to a few formal former franchisees and they were very and so for me after doing sort of that due diligence as Ashley flying down to meet with the leadership team in person and visiting the stores. It just makes it for me. It just felt right. The financials angels were there in terms of making sense and then I just felt that they were being really partners and then you know the final piece was your Pires relatively North Carolina with a relatively untapped territory for your pie so you know sort of selfishly that gave me a chance to say oh. I can grow it this spring. No one really knows about it. They're already killing it. In Southeast Atlanta in the surrounding you know town during the best bring this to North Carolina really expand it and grow with the brand so honestly you know this has been so far a fairly good relationship for you guys open. September two thousand nine hundred ninety million dollar question. Why specifically your PA? I'm told your daughter had something to do with you choosing it with her experience with pizza. Yeah so so you know obviously with my white you know. See being a student and you know be working. We try to share parenting responsibilities. Best we can and so we sort of had this thing. Where every Thursday I? It was my day pick up our daughter from daycare and so my wife at some point took her there one and so every time I picked her Like well what do you want to do before dinner? She's like your pizza place. I'm like what if this place because I I had never been here. But that's what she called it and so I took her there once and it was pretty good and every Thursday afternoon. Your tie myself will number one. At that point. She was a four year old. She's a four year old. She's notoriously picky but she keeps asking to go to your population. And so then if I let me think about dad had off and put my business hat on like actually look at the numbers there you know. Reach out because again. I've always kind of had my eye on franchising right and so you know had to Kinda give credit to her because she really kind of forced me to pay attention because we were just spending so much time together after you know after school hours. They're eating right and so I really liked him. Very family friendly atmosphere tons of other kids with were there and so from there kind of progress you know. How were you able to Safe AND BILL. Capital to invest in your franchise. So one of the one of the things I would say is you know I bury Sosa four while one of the things I even did recently. I WanNa say twenty eighteen is when I just realized that you know in order to take advantage of any opportunity. You need to have a savings right. That's your bottom line. One of my mentors told me some time ago. Right saving in and of itself doesn't make you rich the opportunities that you get access to as a result of having eighty that can make you rich right and so if an opportunity comes across your table but you don't have the means to take advantage of it. You lose out but if you can be disciplined in you can save then maybe you have an opportunity and so you know one thing. I did for a whole year. I just committed to myself. I'm not by anything that I don't need right. I mean that was like my friends are looking at me like I was kinda crazy some of them but like I was very almost anal about it like I didn't buy a even a shirt for the whole year right but if part of it is now it wasn't that I it wasn't that I was doing it for some sort of badge of honor but I thought of as I was gold heading for the prior year. One of the things that I I just really wanted to challenge the relationship that I have with money right like I wanted to feel like I was in control of it and not that it told me what to do if that makes it right and so you're like so so. I figure that if I could kind of become the planned and really curb my spending in just you know. Now got to a point where it's like even now still don't really shop because I found that I don't kind of need it right even coming from luxury retail space. Where fashioned with life and I was I was a buyer I within two high end luxury and that was the world that was kind of my world. I realized that wasn't going to get me to where I wanted to be in terms of being able to create company for my family that would lat long term right so I had to and then obviously you know I've been able to have like mentors than other people who just were able to be a support system to me and helped me. You know. Get there so you can you For those who are listening to the PODCAST. The Rapper Gilly He he gives everyone a bunch of game on Instagram If you're familiar of course. Of course we had him on scooby. Radio Gilly the kid all day boy. Okay FOR PEOPLE. Who are listening can you? Can you give some future? Entrepreneurs are entrepreneurs attitude to to to be great. Maybe a couple hundred dollars worth of free game that you're willing to share on more specifically added you know into the business how to maintain it and more because many people want to be a businessman not a businessman and you know. They want to make sure that they have the structure to do what they need to do. So from your your experience your expertise. What are some tricks trade that you can teach Folks that are listening to the school tomato podcast. Well I think first and foremost You know kind of furthering what you know. We talked about in turns of saving one of the things that I really love about that con. I'm so glad you brought it up. One of the things I love about. Savoring is saving is more of a mindset mentality right so I'm not saying that you have to save to have a million dollars right like you start from where you are because I believe the greatest benefit to learning how to say is the muscles and other things you work as a result of that right of you can become a good favor ultimately. What you're teaching yourself is to delay gratification. You're teaching yourself how to budget and be aware of finance. There's right you're teaching yourself how to say that this thing is more important like I'm GonNa give up the thing that I want now for the thing that I want most right and so by saving your actually just building those muscles that win that great opportunity does come for you or that franchise opportunity does present itself or a chance to invest in a startup company that ultimately become good. You've built you. Kinda built that foundational you know skill set to like help propel you further. You know I would say that's the best first and foremost a really big one for me is just having that sort of financial discipline to Stay right and then you know if I had to give another another bit of Creek game you know. I think you know. Don't underestimate the fact that however hard do you think is GonNa be. It's GonNa be harder right so you know you know. I think that sometimes we myself included right. We understand that owning businesses. They're hard and we understand that it's going to take a lot of you know long hours but something you know something that did. He actually said on Instagram Post. On time ago is that they said your new life will cost your old one. I don't know if you remember when he posted that a few maybe a month or so but when he when he said that like I thought having been in this white grind of Franchising I saw that quote in a completely different way because a lot of times win we here. It's GonNa cost you something we think about all the stuff we don't want in our lives anyway that we're going to give up right like when I level I'm not gonna be doing this. I'm not going to be broke. No more I'm GonNa you know. Have the house. I want the car we think about all that stuff. We already don't like they were going to give up but we'll think about the fact that like for seven nights in a row. I'M GONNA leave before my five year old wakes up and when I get home. She's going to be sleek and the only interaction that I have with her is when I kissed her at night right like we don't so that it's almost like part of it as well right like not only is gonNa cost you those things you want to go. It's GonNa actually cause you it's going to change and alter the relationship with the things you actually love right like the fact that now quality tile with my wife looks like stealing a matinee at one thirty in the afternoon when it's mid day in my restaurant right versus mean maybe being able to take her to a fancy restaurant on a Friday night because Fridays and Saturdays is when you're high is the busy right and so think about the sacrifice you're gonNa make in the add some more because if you really want to get it and you really want the thing that you say you want I promise you gotTa have to make some choices and your if off of include choosing things you really love and care about in order to get that thing and you know. Then that's where you you have a quarterback and point guard mindset 'cause You're talking about leadership you talking about sacrifice you're talking about delegation and flexibility I think those are all things right now. Particularly what's going on in the climate in our country and abroad and work life balance Family and businesses definitely something that You have to have Scoop Radio on the line talking with my main man Ephron the apes talking business talking sports talk and lifestyle talking everything in between the giveback. It's still very important for anybody. Who's successful. Everybody who is Career Path? To to what? You're doing one thing that I've noticed that you're heavily involved in the boys and Girls Club. Tell me a little bit more about what you're doing. Yes so one of the things that you know I first of all I. You know what the boys and Girls Club attending myself right so you know mentioning earlier growing up in kissed or North Carolina. You know you know wild at town town. Is You know become very known for you. Know Basketball in other athletic when you look at the other side of that. We're talking to community that two-thirds African American and you know many of its residents are at or below the poverty poverty line and we're talking to town with maybe twenty two to twenty three thousand People Matt's right in that in that in the south right so when you think about all the context and nuance of that right I. So that's where I grew up right until single mom who raised three kids never making more than thirty thousand dollars a year. Who is still currently a postal worker? And you know be you know having a father who you know just over time. If for various different reasons wasn't able to be at active as maybe he wanted to be. And so you take that and you say man. These are the perfect conditions to end up. Either on the street at the dope boy or I'm going to be somebody's jail right and mainly my mom had enough foresight to you. Know at least been the way the boys and girls club was set up every housing project which I lived in had their own boys and Girls Club. Right though you know. Luckily they would come home from school and you know being a key kid right out able to spend those crucial hours where I could be doing other stuff at the boys and girls right. I could do homework. I had faith space where I didn't HAVE TO BE CAUGHT UP COMPANY. Things that took my took my friends in distracted. Some of the people I grew up with right and so for me the boys and Girls Club was instrumental in helping me stay on the right path and you know ultimately it led me being able to you know the college intern. Good grade then. So when the opportunity presented itself to work with the boys and Girls Club you know in Durham County. It just made sense right these kids but by me their story is my story right like I was a kid in a single parent home. Who Mom worked very long hours? Because she was just trying to do the best. You can to give me the best she to it right and so when you know you know this holiday when I had a chance to do with toy drop you know. We obviously want to continue to further that relationship. It was like of course like it just resonated with me immediately because in many ways I was able to go back to. Talbot help for me. It's very easy for me to go to that place him remember and understand like what those kids she'll even now are dealing with and maybe even more so in the age of social media in the amount of things they have access to that even you and I have been growing up. You know with all this stuff going on corona virus and You know actually managing your store. Have you gone grocery shopping? Like what's it like for you? Talk about work life balance. What's it like with your home? How were you getting ready for everything that's going on? So you know the the kind of great thing about it. Shout out to my wife was real. Mvp You know she you know. She has the flexibility being a student that she's been on it interpreted by the grocery shopping by ordering online picking up at the store or even just the other day on my way from store. Like hey you need me to pick up anything. And she's like no guy already ordered to groceries like like thankful you know thankfully having a partner who just like understand. The you know weight that is on my shoulders right now. Is the restaurant. Owner trying to navigate this public health concern. I think it helps that she you know getting her PhD in Public Health. So she certainly understands what's going on right. How people's lives and how people family structure are truthfully being disrupted by this right and so you know you know. Thanks to her for just you know me the space to lead in a way that. I need right so I've been to the grocery store but mainly for your pie. I run out of the reality or something because we had a busy day or I have to go pick up milk or something small. But I haven't had to really bear that responsibility. And that that's not really a testament. Anything hot done this to you. Know having a good partner and helped me so teamwork makes the dream work from. That's what what you off the hot seat we're done we are. GonNa be radio. They showed a check out on all platforms instagram at. Yates eighty four on instagram. Checkout your pie. Carrie on facebook. And if you're in the Category Carolina area make sure you check out mode In his piece shop there Serban daily. Your Pie yes sir. Thanks man I appreciate it. This is great.

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The Head Angle #4: Xave Koen

The Head Angle Podcast

2:23:29 hr | 2 years ago

The Head Angle #4: Xave Koen

"Welcome back to head angle podcast starting with Matt Holmes again. Welcome back for the heading number four. Yeah. We're pumped in a minute. Well tonight, we're pretty state. We got a pretty amazing dude with us. Basically, the voice of good times and bay mix in this fair city. The man the myth the legend design Cohen fuck doing of pretty pretty flattered by that. Doing. Well. Thanks. Thanks very much for having me. This fucking is pretty sweet I'm really looking forward to get to talk to you guys massive microphones in front of vices. Good. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. We've all of us. We've dining for a long time now, and it's definitely shed a lot of RAD RAD times lot of black. Rod just cool shit, man. So that some glue to block roading than is still miss still deep wanna let's go back to the beginning of Young's. I've grown up in the Blue Mountains. Fuck you Atika start run box man accan- account out of necessity luck grown up needing needing a block, whatever to get around ten. You know, like good go up shop and get milk, and whatever that type of thing starts, rotting blocks, and then I was lucky enough that like Iran town. They just happened to be the worst BMX tracking lock all of these F Lyles go that flu season a row, but. Fucking everybody. Does what we the whole day. Issue on dudes, I suppose, and so I used to go down there. And so to hang out, and then I slowly learnt to ride a block as well, actually, like rolling down a fucking old school role in hillock wasn't like crazy one. They have now, obviously. But you guys know that. Wells as I kind of like learn how to rod down there and kicking around or whatever. And it wasn't like a little bit long. I guess I was fairly young when I noticed it. I would do in Rice's, Dan, the a whole bunch of people getting together and having Rice's not had no idea that it was like a formal thing or club any anything like that. But I just thought it was cool in whatever it is doing his cool, and I enjoyed that. And then I found out that my two cousins Roger and Mark Vaughan who like as g is a fucking com there from Megan area, and I used to build these jumps like like modern style jumps but way back in the fucking midnight. It's know these John still had square square fucking, edges and all the rest of it. You know trials midday young back then early. Whether the ones up near the cheap yet trials. That was both of those. My cousins. So that they were the guys that kind of like, I guess I saw like a block with pegs full pace BAAs and all that shit that really fucking tunes you own. You know, like the stuff that luck is fuck that's mechanical in. Oh my God. And then to see the dudes like like the. The strap in through the fucking Bush those tip jumps like just flat like a flat fuck implying, and then the jumps to just build out of the ground pretty old school stall. But pretty modern as well anyway, strapping through there, and then just like launching and all it's just like what the fuck is going on ways. He where's he going to landing there? Like what the fuck just happened lucky with fucking there. And there's nothing in between like all saying was the bam X track. You know, everything's like you make it or whatever the fuck you done yet. Whatever you make it. You don't know. There's no repercussions. This is jumping jumps with black built out of the ground with fucking nothing in the middle. And they knew that they were going to land. I was like how the fuck is. This had a fuck you guys work that out that is something that you can do and that just got me like just absolutely Amit with like just fucking fell in love. And I just spent the fucking the next. I don't know fucking longtime in my life trying to have a block that was even similar to this like something that looked heavy looked solid mechanical looks fucking like we could take a beating and shit and. Yeah. I never know getting one of those kids. Kid can't be fucking hunting. Really? I love. I love that your member was the first block you remember having like in writing the track and stuff. Well, do remember having a sixteen inch box. That was pretty sick that I locked because I do know what is on it for some reason fucking. At me knows like young for doing that trick. But I mean like young for having a memory of of socked on. But the grips will those molded hod plastic grips that molded to shape of little kids hand, we weaned flange. Exactly. Yeah. Like wrap up of edgy pinky and shit. Let's see a clean be wing ripple or whatever is. That I had a Bach that has goes on. They're crazy sweep on the Bosnian shit like that and around that time to older GAAS who racing. The wiles brothers in fucking the Douglas brothers and shit like that like, choke Gaza. If you from the fucking mountains legends all those riding in doing what? Just fucking like. Yeah. This group Schutte fucking sixteen inch block. But these guys had like pit bikes. They started bringing their own sixteen inches down to the to the fucking being extract whatever and having fun on them and just bugger is an around. But that's what I noticed. All my God. You can swap components on these boxes. Well, you know, you can take I can take this little fucking thing here and put that one like a change stems over the goose necks, whatever the fuck, it was could change that shoot around. It's not exactly started building sixteen inch block. We'd like like not good parts at all. But better parts, and what we're on them rather than having like a Phillips head screwdriver, juice necks piece that was attached to like a one piece Hanwha fuck that off and put in a one inch Gooseneck that had like those terrible thirteen millimeter. Yeah. It was a it was like a circle inside a circle that was some him into group enough. So that was a is dog shit. But you wanna see finish? The manager of man. But yeah, that I read that book for a long time talked on that. And then the the I I remember getting that I that was new that had that I was fucking blown away. Boy was this piece of shit Repco bark that mom bought from fucking God knows where but it was brand new had the little his on the Tawes. And I remember staring at the Hayes on the ties so fucking long like getting balking Christmas day. It was like the back of the house. You know, is fully magical fucking times getting his Bach wasn't expecting. And yes, staring at like the newness of the ties with his all over at luck. Just textual fucking shit. Yeah. Definitely what I'm sure I would have ever seen those smells fucking smell. Now. The smell of the rubber ties like that Brin. You rubber smell is fucking just burning my brain. And yeah, really locked the that block seek those rep Repco that was pretty that was cool for a while. And then like, and then styles changed again. And I was like I got to be a little bit older and had to get something you like chrome had to have crime sounding like something in wheel. And man it was fucking. I had to have that. Otherwise, like, I was gonna kill myself for you know, I was gonna kill everyone else. Something mum you that says she went out and got a twenty dollars free agent allude breaks and had a crack in the crossbar handle BAAs, no groups on twenty dollars and gave it to those my birthday present buck twelve or something. But that was that was. Enough that was like a proper twenty inch bike that had twenty had fucking free wheel forty four sixteen and shit. Those left in sprocket, some one host cranks. What's that Android pass? It had dropouts talk about wafer-thin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Look pathetic. Yeah. Three just piece of shit old frigid like nothing's fucking change break lists. Lebron mounts, and there was no fucking way on you. How to sit up v recommends let alone get my hands on a pair of v breaks. What you we talking that you've bracelets? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well before then because I took the took the wedges outta my sixteen inch back wheel. So it didn't have Beker breaks on that Sierras standard. On price. And I'm ready. I guess I don't know. Took the heard you can do that with backpedal breaks. And I want to do the old kids with and not have to not have Beker Rex to heard you could do that. So I did it and it was itself. Lost ball bearings. In process. It was pretty fucking rougher all but not was like, yeah. That was cool straight or free thought. Yeah. Totally. That's exactly what new flying. Forty years. Did you? Ever try racing. It did did. Yeah. I tried rising on my regional luta with no breaks and everything and I went down and like a hood. It was. Those writing this track constantly as like pretty fast, and I was really enjoying the track. And I knew the tracking saw. Right now what I know. Yeah. When Dan tried to sign up thinking like, you know, maybe maybe go, maybe we'll see how it goes, whatever. Basically snubbed the United like who the fuck, do you think he will like you pathetic poll mother fuck I had heard it was five dollars to sign up. And they're like it's five list of ride in open date deep sheet, and like it's twenty five dollars. If you want to sign up for the year, or whatever, and you have to have a long shit, and you have to have gloves, and you have to have fucking home. Oh fuck like the only helmet. I had was pace shit Rosebank helmet that would be bullied down hod like fucking. Dude fucking stack at. Shit like wasn't an adverb banks. Thank god. Dammit, man. So you're the one that my fucking mum probably solar and was luxury Looksmart intelligence. By by the helmet that man's wearing. That'll keep something safe. So. Yeah. Windy and. Told me you had to do that. She. So I went back. I'm sorted out. Some. Fucking glow gardening gloves or something like that. Because my little brother started racing same time. And he was racing in cotton gloves. And I got the gardening gloves because like older and shit. So I took advantage of the fact that all humans in the fucking out sort of opened fucking gardening gloves and Rosebank helmet and breaks and shit just being sticky typed on I'll just sticky tape leave. It was on the handlebars legitimately the cracked paint cracked. What's and I'm put the cable on sticky type cable fucking housing onto the labor or whatever. And then around to the frame and sticky type to the frame, and she has bright Cal is on there. No pads or whatever says no chance of you know, touching or anything whatever the fuck it was. But I would just like fake breaks breaks at aside. You know what? I mean. Like if I just glance at it. It's breaks as long as I let him fucking. Pretty fucking lot plants. The thing. But if you're standing there in front of you block with your hands BAAs raring to go ready to raise my twenty five dollars, or whatever they look down and see the lever and a cable with gonna that you've fucking Steve this shit to you by. If you're not in a shot buying a bike where you can touch the brakes, don't go and touch someone else's rights later. I mean, that's pretty much. Do I'm sure I broke that rule. Me personally. Maybe a fucking ten year old didn't give shit scrutineer shouldn't touch your brakes. Oh, no, absolutely. Not. The child pedal get away. Let me fucking writes those. That's all rice arrest. They put me in dig Rupe? Because of my I think it was an fucking smirk. Those fools like was undefeated in group undefeated though by fucking country mile, and they gave me the trophy for that bump me to say. And I was I think the first rice the first day and say we have five motives in the day and the first fucking full modo's. I was like smoked like these guys with Blas. I was coming fucking six and fifth and shit like that and getting beaten by a couple of girls who racing there as well. Which? I mean to be sexist, but in the late nineties as bit of a hit for ten year old or eleven year old Tyke wonder who it was fuck. I can't remember name. But she was incredible. From a racing family all just like fucking. So dialed like soup. My first ever race day. Twelve beat by night year old go. Doc too bad. Right, right. What was probably like fairly? Seamless circumstances. Let's suppose, but like these guys are all up on the fucking gate, wearing fucking pajamas and versus fucking get up and creepy shit and all the rest, I'm like with sticky. Type brakes on gardening gloves and wearing fucking hockey boots. That my mom had bought me sounding like, you know, like full on big clunky fucking at doors boots. Because I'm thinking like, that's what people were when they're fucking being physical. You know, like I'm gonna ride this school now. Title. Protection? I didn't have to put a food out to our head. But see group told me taught me a lot they'd fucking smash. My you go the first four races the fifth rice of the day. They decided it was going to be a sit-down rice like everyone was going to sit down. And no one was gonna stand up. You're going to do like that. And everybody's looking at each other across the guy. Everybody agrees it. That's what's going to happen. And as soon as the fucking gay jobs stand up into fucking leg because concert on fucking gonna win some shit today. Like, I did not get undefeated in degrade just to be bumped up the secret find out that I should be right. That's life fucking no way. I'm going to be today as I stood up in peddle, my fucking house off, and HUD, like almost an entire Streit of a headstart still third like the fucking smoke me that one and after that it was kind of like fucking locked his rice and saw like preferred to spend time in the Bush, you know, that type of thing. But I thought that racing was the only connection to more more people who ride box, you know. And then and then it was kind of discovered yet like Hazebrouck trails were there, and they were beautiful thing. And you know, they were guys it would like just like my cousins lived Megan's not that far from where I live, but. No fucking no fucking. Why it's an off drive. But as a kid that's like to the moon back. So to find out they were kids doing similar shit to them. But like just nearby fucking blew my mind. And that's that's where I was kind of like fuck rising as I was in his prime, then basically. Yeah, he's always fucking crazy, man. Like, we had been going down there and sort of looking at what they were doing down there since we were very young. But we knew well and truly to stay away. Like, it was like fucking hardcore dudes throwing Roxette kids, and then Glenn Ulan. Yeah. Fuck man, Glenn. Rang dreadlocks. You gotta be careful fucking intimidating, man. Oh my God. I've never heard of if mitt somebody's intimidating. Yeah. He's fucking lovely. He's the guy. But when you're kidding you. You know, you fucking can hear these guys like hollering and going on in the Bush just over yonder, and you can't see them. It's fucking scary. And then you have to come out of the Bush luck. Hope they accept you. You know, it was very rare that anybody was accepted down then you'll in fucking knew how to run a ship. You know, and like we were hung fuck Indica DHS that like we walking over the skateboard or whatever. And be like, hey, can you do can you go through the jumps for my friends and maize that we can watch and just get shut down by them. She that's why rocks at us until we left. Though, we started digging our jobs up in Lawson. When I was like ten that was fucking sick. I was with the dude 'cause Dave Brown dude, code Andrew Behmen who were couple years older than me. But that was where we started digging jumps that we thought we could duck potentially have something that was similar to highs. But we knew that there was no fucking way. Like, we just incapable of jumping jumps like that at that point. And then we started digging. Yeah, we started digging jumps and stuff. And then we thought like these big go to go to find a way to make these big. But not really knowing with fuck is do it from you know, like up until that point jumps to just like kind of man's do that you could scrape the topsoil together Vuk that was like the volition of the ten year olds trying to build their and shit. And then I was and then I fucked around that Thomas, oh, my cousins jumps and that they had fucking tunes dugout tunes in the ground, you know, holy shit. That's where we get fucking to it from. We dig jumps into the ground. We make fuck and tosses we got coming out of the fucking asses. And we've got big jobs. You know what I mean? And so that's where we dug out all these Pete's, and she we had like prop eight pack on that that was dug into the ground. It was fucking legit. And that was pretty much that was like that's the bottom of fuse avenue and Lawson was pretty much like from the beam extract that Scott was like. Just being hooked on everything to do with like I didn't. There was no Skype box fucking. There was straight. I guess but nothing fucking you. When did when he falls the bowls? And when he falls started in ninety I light. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was Christmas and another dude fucking remembers him. But he's names Bennett. And he's incredibly creative. Do Kristen Bennett. I'm dislike months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Christmas and another guy code Bennett, and they start they started at place in around ninety eight and RAM I had fucking room is about the place in two thousand one just hor school, I don't remember going around there with this kid who's never ever going to be BMX Rutter, and he's in Tyler didn't give fuck about it. But just his member block because he's fucking loaded or something like that. I really fucking sweet block to those pretty jealous of because I was just like fucking new get some fucking black still puttering around. We we heard about them. We went looking for them. And at the time it was like a track through the Bush one jump, but had this crazy deep hole in the fucking grandma had been getting all the good stuff. And that that hull that he started ended up becoming the double balls that were there and shit use lighter. Hey, Chris was actually like he was almost as opposite from Ulan as you could possibly get like operating hates under the right? Nobody really knew that the what was it that it even was a spot or anything like that. Chris was interested in writing high book, you know, and being a part of that like almost late level upper echelon group. I think he was running twenty four inch wheels or something like that. But what about was why foles, and he kind of took us in like, particularly me like he he taught me fucking hates and hates this shit about waraheads. And he taught me how to do that good of the side of the. Yeah. The ball like. Quota pot bums stalled war odds and shitting yet konoto me a little bit about digging and stuff like that. And then as he got older which was almost immediate. Because he's thousand years old now something so fucking houses or whatever it is doing crispy shit. If you listen to this shit Chris much fucking selling houses rod and box. The fuck man, would you duty? So you'd be Maxine. Real estate. Fuck. Oh, you'll. He says people put the fucking rent process, right? No, that's fun. Whatever get out the game. That's fun. For kids. Your your jumps down in lewiston like after you started sort of realizing how to build them and started kind of build them off a little bit stuff of that wind. You reckon you started sort of paying attention to be Mexican terms of like, videos and magazines stuff than sort of trying to develop. Yeah. Progressing yourselves and realizing that this is does more to this than the local luck jobs in local track and realizing that it'd be more wjm oiled out there. Yeah. I think that was. Con of that was actually on a by accident that I discovered that those any like BMX world outside of what we would doing. It's trying to remember the time line of of luck how this shit so to happen. Like, obviously, we knew that the shoot existed because of highs broke and people would come through like fucking big teams t one and Jimmy van, and you know, all these fucking crazy golf bag it came ragged fucking Endo's red fucking redneck or whatever the fuck don't SUV men's in camouflage pants, ink painting. More sexy to me, then that image of that man doing that trick on jumping front three. That to me is the fucking mid school beam BMX, and then you could not fucking that's a fucking middle of dining doing man on that jump right in the middle of that time. Question again. I mean, that's what sorry it's coming to sort of luck. When you've Mexico's, but I'd never come into contact with anybody outside of lock our media of group that was doing it. And then I I guess use lighter also like fifteen being and they had just built the Skype pocket Louison. And like we one day luck the win when the way used to walk up to listen Skype box other seal, and as you could come up over the hill. You could kind of catch like the tops of the quota pops in the distance. You know, what I mean like you say the coping sticking out of nowhere before you right to see the coping. There was like this all movement like selling floating in the sky sounding like that like above the horizon of what I could say the false horizon before I could see typing of the quota pot. So I kind of the fuck is going on. And then it clicked that someone airing the quarter pipe like fuck run up to the top. The hill and Ben fucking pay just broaden Skype. Pock I think he was totally on his own remote have been there with one or two other dudes on that young is I think Ben's euro to me, but you still fucking young. And he was airing like he was airing a quarter pot which further Blue Mountains was like. People didn't do that. We'd be everyone jumps. Nobody fucking aid. Not. And you have to like how the fuck you do that. Maybe a couple of Gaza, Glenn or whatever they were cut from a different cloth. It was this different in wise. I guess Santa scene. Dude. Rod that fucking quota. Oh my God. And so obviously, we got talking and all this kinda shit and lock he explained to me that I was doing office at title talks that the fuck is opposite from what like what are you talking about? He's like, oh 'cause you go to because you are left with forward and shit. And I had never had not noticed that. I wrote if I didn't notice there was how was like I was the fuck do you mean like, I just then he's like every time you ride you'll the foot is Ford. And that was the first time I was ever like introduced to even concept of there being different ways that people rod box and shit like that he kind of. He was like showed all of these different types of not rules and shit. But you know, like Neo the top tube tabletops in stuff like that. And that was like a whole kind of concept that was introduced we just thought it was like, yeah. I don't know. We thought it was inverse down the jumps or whatever. Like just. You just flat as you could possibly get him. We'll something like that as pinch near the near the stem. You know, it was a good thing. Something that by legs back then while I was doing officers. The whole thing was to strike like one's kinda standing up straits. Non fucking snap him. Could fuck. I don't want a love that she'd gone opposite. And then this funny thing Ben kind of like showed the fuck showed me how to do knees over tabletops to my regular way. And I started doing is. And I was like holy fuck. This is pretty cool. Okay. It can get used to doing. This is like, you know, just an imminent shit and those guys north west and doozer doing shit like that that's cool. And then fuck these is gonna snap. One of my regular why regular opposite titles? The ones that I felt really comfortable with I did a blue both of my fucking feet off completely because I'd my Brian just being like getting used to go. The other way went to snap an old one like usual and completely lost both my fucking feet and nearly died. And I was just like that kind of threw me off. I thought it was I was so cocky up until that point FOX something else. So certain of went so horrifically wrong. And I didn't I didn't say coming that took that that was hit. But yeah, I guess that was like, I I real I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if. It was. It's hot hot man's mixed up time around their shit. Look crazy, not bad shit. But a lotta shit was going on. You know, you busy as thirteen year old. Where do you find with it? Yeah. Where'd you find out about shit? Jake started going till the jams and stuff. Young going to the one will bend jam up at fort MacQuarie where we met us at you. Two thousand four four years of. Fox always sixteen din break loose this toll breakfast kid with on countdowns, lamb BAAs. That Skype pod. Amazon was like who's this key with on cut, Dan, slam BAAs? Yeah. Yeah. Lanky lanky kid back then actually happen boy con about Defoe, and then became a bit of a weird seeing that I was connected to like, you know, in my own head like run on constantly. That's the thing to do like the end up goes. But I happen by default because order these BAAs from dance compact folding with my own money and shit and a fortune, and when I turned up like I went and got the hacksaw to fucking count them down. And my mom came when nuts. She's. She's. Don't make him that size for fucking no reason. Just you can I can make them small just paid how much. Yeah. Who's out until I that until I spill that's all okay. I'll put them on expecting go to might see us off noon and fucking chopping down or whatever. And that didn't happen. They started cutting that was that actually. No, that's how fucking because I was leaving around the around the corner from school. And I went down the road the jumps. And I was like oh my God. I went from the most cutdown little tiny buys, you could imagine I can control up. I fully man. I could not believe it like us doing turn, and yank in the buzz, well and truly poss- one eighty and stuff I could not believe the amount of control. I had compared to how Hadfield, you know. Like it was. Yeah, I didn't know that that was even possible that you could you change block pop and it wish engine feeling of you box. Drastically Craig jam is the first event where a crew. Went to his definitely. Yeah. I appreciate that was the first one did that change your world. A blue fucking blew me away a never seen Indo Skype hop before then accepting any magazines, whatever that we got to see up in the mountains. And it was fucking Moines. Boggling this smell of it. The look of everything the why would feels to rod unto you rather than digital cash on exact will the whole thing. It's these bands. It feels like you're invincible like it feels like you can fucking send anything in crash on it. And it's like a g met, you know, that's the image. That's how I felt going into that fucking plice and seeing all the shit. I thought it was the most amazing Skype park in the world. And I think about it now that could play the stock walking in and is that we'd meaning the corner and then like a big deck in. I don't know it was just fucking like nothing compared to today's standards. But at the time, it was just like, mind blocks. Pumped me. Yeah. There were very few Indo-Pakistan. I think what was the one in ten of the that must've gone by the end. Yeah. Gone to. Dan, five not the buildings today. But. But. They moved to move to pad stone ended in two thousand three which was that was like. That about taking it on. Yeah. And that's pretty much it. I got my license the week vote X closed down. So patients can finally take myself to the Indo-Pak and rod till ten PM fucking closed down the option to take the lease and nothing show. He was going to give us apart. Didn't happen will within down. We have to eighty grand would to rebuild the park was gonna wanna ride the same pocket. Plus insurance is probably crazy. I wasn't bad because we'd been talking the government about free. So BMX. So we had a plan, but not second workout anyway. In the pox, not many parks fully show. Digress. Well, guess back to you growing up in the mountains. Geographically, the mountains is not that far from Sydney. It's no. But when you're a kid, it's a fucking eternity way. And this is pre internet pre smartphone all that stuff. So like, you guys the mountains kind of crew deftly you had your own sort of unique style vibe and just like it was like a whole sane. You know, you got the mountains. And it was like it was a different fucking thing than than Sydney. So we talk in like getting a little bit lighter on now sort of round the Roman zero thing like. In in general. I mean up until the sort of modern modern era with everything being in Heizo with all the fucking big Thomas. There in about two thousand two or three one-two-three Rory. And I think I was there for the last wave of its prime like when Glenn Ulan was with these driving all the tools, and it was most dialed stuck part of its stock that he was letting you bay there and giving give me a hand than you had you'd have stowaway road over Jimmy van Sebastian Cape federal laws house and also. Off the noon. And then you light continue on will to came through driving down the hill data oaklands road in my brand, Peugeot, and then we fucking round the corner, and there's rich blotting out for prompt three, and he just copies dreads e before every soul, the judge tattoos and my friends with Adam was just trying to steal my car on the corner. He grabbed my arm off the wheel and goes that's fucking. Trying to crash the car. Fucking then. Yeah. So that place in that year that pre two thousand two and three was the last wife when that place was at its ABS probably the most famous trials in a strategy the time you had had a. Easily man places. Fucking incredible. Like, I mean for the time it was fucking and big credited to Glenn. While the Douglas brothers as Willman rice meeting. Meeting shit. You know? And the other goes, well, those if you do remember the fucking I really don't mean to be mean to be rude and not respect to to those two dudes. But it's two in particular, and I cannot fucking for the locker room, but your names now. But those two is will who, you know, involve really, I would they would absolutely responsible for fucking whatever odd in love with the motive is happening mile off does drive it through like that fucking. But I did. And so thank them endlessly for for that luck that fucking gifted that spot one can think to give to people like. Beautiful fucking thing. Still con- lives on which is cool. It's legit Sputnik. It's Scott castles of council through. Goad me four days to organize petition ship for. I think we got those group something that ended up seven hundred people in the group. The petition was signed by like fucking golden seventy people. We're not an incident petitions fucking repetition. And then there was like about one hundred and fifty people including the locals, you know, echo, the families that live around the jumps and shit that turned out on the died at the council was there to inspect them the council responsible for sports and recreation this dudes like fucking lamest showed you've ever come across. And he's standing there in the middle of jumps. And he's I came on on Tuesday. He doesn't look like anybody Ron t. Fucking kidding me. Other look everything's beautifully. Groomed. It was this. Fucking place was popping at this stage me and live with dignity. I can constantly there were few other coming and going wanted about OG group strat fucking Pat Kenna all those come up and Linda hand, Donna tacky. So many amount of fuck is Dan leave, you know, he's been lot time down even though he fucking hated it. He hated riding because shit a lot of time. He can hide it. But he still came into because it's what everybody did, you know? Doc, I'm going with that fuck point is sort of like the council meeting together to prove that. Yeah. So you'll turned up in the council's walking around. He asked me what why did you ride these things run fucking downhill to the to the bottom corner of that block? And he's asking me what why do you ride these things? Are you brought him fucking up hill and then up that real estate fuck in fifteen Fateha down ramp? And then you magically make yourself fly further up the hill onto this tiny little Scooby downright fuck off. Fucking minister for sports and recreational whatever in the area has no fucking onto you about block jumps. And he's just about to bulldoze them. Fuck sportsman. It blew my fucking Mondo just could not fucking believe it. And then having the locals coming out as the particularly the lights who lived across the road who. They were such strong asset to have because they explain that has been kids boxing since the seventies. This fucking nineteen seventies. Man, they're like in this particular block being kids around. But all the rest of the dad, still Anton, they were amazing. Not everybody was amazing. But there were quite a few that were unbelievable. It wasn't trouble with some of the properties closest to the jumps and fair enough to fences. Next door can shutdown gigs. True pock. Anytime soon the thing it was weird. And then the council approved them, which was cool, but they to get people away from this defenses of the neighboring properties they pulled in the boundary. Lana pulled it down the hill. So that all the run ins any of the lines would have been up hill luck against the flow of the jumps. And in some how into one eighty boom. And then go back down the hill. I dunno. It was totally ruined tightly ruin the spot. After that. I was pretty lucky. I was happy to have gotten them taking care of at least secured for some other generation. There was no fucking generate the fucking about talking about it was no other generation to take fucking jumps. But I just had Jack of it. Just so fucking over it and sort of pretty out that's Daij electron give a fuck about shit that. There was no fucks getting given back. You know, it was just like pouring yourself into this constant endless fucking battle finally winning that battle and then having to fuck me over anyway like you can keep the trials, but you can't have any space to fucking pedal into them or to rod towards them. You just have to start on the first ones. Upper definitely we wouldn't touch you jumps. But we'll touch the ground before. Tough on because I mean alternately why do we do we do it because we enjoy as individuals? We can do it with friends. We can we can do it. It's not a team sport. It's not like a community rising, maybe to some extent. But if you talk about and trials running straight or on the park, it's what we get out of it. Selves sounds very hard to rally a lot of people to get. A movement to make big things happen. It's and I think the suck that up when I was pretty young as well. Totally. It's quite hard the shop yet, you're shoving stuff. What was it? The you. Sort of realize. Spanta kid yet with Johnson Skype pox spots stuff to get shut down getting even just getting kicked out of the spa rotting. You know, you always pushing shit up hill to be at the do something that yet if you had the back Neva team, we have the backing of even a BMX cloudy might should happen because you more people as a hard thing to have to get around. 'cause you wanna run a buck by yourself. It's not running tandem exactly run the fucking cooties bog with four people on it is what you do by yourself, and you can go and do it by yourself. And yet it's better to do with your friends. What we thought we will do bosseaux. You know, like we thought we were out on business spending time in the Bush Boden jumps showy would drink in and shit. But we're not like CRA feeding the to if I self and you can do that in the Bush by but you aren't gonna get support from council. That's the thing. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I thought I was going to be different. But annot better now, which is why. On jumps fucking. No, india. Fucking olympics. So. Can we go medals, and you get some money? Sterling government will pay money to go. Not for digging. Winning ago metal. Hey, whatever it takes to win a rowing fucking go medal. Did you just go the wrong direction kinda see where they don't pay millions of bucks to win it, and I never fucking winning true Gattison? Yeah. Right. So what if that was trials I understand the miracle on and there is under is that it's wrong with the dis. The odds of us when you go meddle in union. Pretty fucking good. They must be pretty hard because there's too many competitors. People in the whole Olympic freestyle recognition. I can bump so Timothy pretty good. Bye mex-. Can movie I need to hustle. Not that we've been trying this fucking. Jeez. That's the thing. We're talking about how the Chinese are going to China rub dot and he's being Mixmaster Dodon. Yeah. Trying to be BMX because I have airway in which is insane. We do not connect with any fucking limits. That you can have a like. Jesus christ. How can you? How can you have an Olympics like fucking sitting right weather? There's a bunch of people competing on box and the pickle who judging the block riding people that have fucking lived bucks for ever and ever and ever and you have somebody out on the cool. She's like doesn't give a foreign fuck. Whether they come first whether they come. I mean, obviously because they're the Olympics and Shia whatever. Okay. Like having somebody that has lead in Brisbane ex and wanted nothing more than to ride a bike. Maybe started writing out of fucking necessity. You know, like 'cause you gotta get the fuck away from your family. And that's you know, it's in need to Roger block because it keeps you safe because it keeps you out of Homs wide and keeps you away from fucking home. You find your passion, you fall in love with it everything fucking happen specifically for you. And then you find yourself somehow exalted in the Olympics fucking you're in the finals, and you coming up against somebody who took it up a year and a half ago and has been putting a fucking GM eighteen hours a day for the last year a fucking Hof and this eating right next. They're not gonna make the fun. Fuck. Do you think is more kids? Now, do you think it's the Piquet like, but that's that's it's fucking. It's just so ridiculous. That's the Olympics because every country it doesn't fucking belong. Every country gets to have an athlete in it does movies about it like. Exports. Fucking. To be associated with fucking athletes. That's why did this shit the only to Christian who soy in fucking Vic Murphy and shit like that fucking Henry Rowlands not fucking. If I wanted to be an athlete. Ota wanted to be like Pete Sampras so fucking Michael Jordan tennis. Yes. But let to be professional amateur boxing, something, right? That mean lugging mountain loop plus companies auditing? You have to have a monster. No way. Olympics on your helmet fucking shittiest in jersey. What? Lagos foggy saga. You dig it. You just gotta get tattoos responses. Fucking budget tickets. Get. Walking dick kids. Did I don't think that companies just gonna drop them in a second? They go and mop the body fucking bicycle company. Like what the fuck they go. All right Olympics. Coming up kids. Kids could win the gold medal. But does it matter. I mean to be a whole, oh, it doesn't matter matter. Can you still dig in the Bush? Can you know, it's fun to fun to get up and have a laugh and ship. But that's joining us seven get more season football fucking team every day of the week. But he doesn't need a fucking Olympics to do that. That's true. Actually, people smart these days, man, they know Fuqua plays. A fucking scumbags have been always will be like, I actually read a funny piece of advice from a suffragan suffrage. It. And she's like says, yes, she's like don't fucking hang around with this wedding advice for young women, by the way from suffrage. She's saying like don't hang around with the boozers with the people that like to spend time at not football players all the fucking hundred fifty years ago. It's all knowledge. Taking Dole's dude have been kick a Stein fucking. Are you serious look at these fucking mate hits? Whether they kick the shit little EPO. That's because breaking their tone the Rossi ties. Fuck this is a slow game. Everyone's getting injured pretty quick. What can we do? We need a lot of rock. Fucking rock. Right back to the real stuff. Yeah. Okay. Don't back to the time line. I guess. Well, yeah, I guess. Yeah. Highs Brooker saw obviously. Yeah. The dynamic change such as the boundaries fucking couldn't stop. Felt like flogging a dead horse trying to get that place working on moved up there in two thousand twelve and Don by that point, you kind of think Alex, and all I had a bit of a little push to try get some things you were actually injured for a good portion of that either not live. I live there. Yeah. The focus room member. But. Starring bowl. But yeah. And and we. Alex, tried to if you heavy heavy days in the Ryan to try maybe that was the role is kind of stopped. We kind of Bill down role in thing kind of which enter that still there. No trucks. Do there. No gets used again. It was like flogging a dead horse. A little bit was sort of a little bit sort of Don another some young kids to win there and had a rod still get the old fix up here. And there. Cows his son Brenly around the corner. And I do definitely some work, and they which is cool and been willing to been been a shock fucking knows ruin because himself in a shock on the into web so shadow to he's been it's been storm digging. Actually, he just got the two big dogs at the end of the forty six long running. Really? Yes. Congratulations. Been fucking login. He actually jumped the lost one. Which is something that we never really accomplished. Actually, don't even know if you jumped it, are you suck been don't even know who jumped. Fucking darling back for purchased before that last incarnation of Brooklyn in the I guess you'll mountains cruise for stuff the time, I met you guys. And you kind of the end of the went with foale's era. You had yourself yet Rohan Daniel Levy, I guess will mountain bought twenty six and twenty four and stuff jumps straps. Kinda the jobs Rollins house settled clubs. Yes, we do that spot. I mean that was pretty short lived little thing. But it was a little bit longer than it was like, yeah. It was for a while in a few different connections. I suppose in and at the end of at the end of it where it was like really fucking getting serious. I suppose. The eleven year old kid next dole headlock just turned living which him in his family meant that. He was allowed to drive the thirty ton excavator that he's father. Bank. So versing ruin dude was Aussies kid to build him to jumps that the fucking moon each like, these things were sure saying the fucking heart of the down from the second one. That was just know why you can build a kick up stick. It was it was Hickey living your older fucking thirty. Just like what are you doing fucking ARA show Conan lovely kid? He's probably an adult male. So. Eight young running this country. I used to fuck and hide him too. Because I actually crashed in one of the runs real real bad luck where you wash out and just go straight into the fucking face. Hospital did that and I looked like the kid is just pacing himself laughing at me like genuinely laughing at the comedy of the I guess the slapstick Goto something like that. And I fucking took that too. I didn't let him know that fuck I did and company for a long time. But so when he was digging jumps in the that was pretty cool. We had some wall she's going on. They really good. And they were getting to a point where I guess even on a on a national scale. They will like recognizable as fucking jumps still before like two thousand six think I not lighter than that. But anyway, wasn't big on social media. And that kind of crap in it was it wasn't yet playing a huge part in people's lives at that point or anything. So they wasn't huge amounts of photos and things like that. But it would just sessions fucking constantly the jumps were amazing Nivea tops. Topping jumps is something is brand you in the mountains like. What the fuck him talking about? I'm not only county digs into man's me. And my fucking nights the Allen shit, right and Mike, no other person. So what am I talking about tops data get used knife? Fuck at the top. Drained. Fuck over talking about clouds getting there. So yeah, jumps was just really starting to get to a point with our amazing taking care of themselves in the lawns. We're getting longer and longer that's tops coming hand use that you build long lines because you don't have to mind tying shit started lawn anymore concert can be longer than three jumps long. We had gotten to pretty fucking Nali lawns and shit like that. And they'd lost down on the last jump which was a fucking Long John Chad to toll up or even told down. Strat blast. Fuck out strives accused Harada blast the fuck out of that landed on Superdrug down ramp. This is where it all comes on done landed on that washed out front wheel. He'd he's head. We'd no helmet on knocked the fuck out really really badly. Like, he was real fucking scary and often that roams parents who think he's dad's lawyer and his mum is just a lovely fucking woman. But obviously pretty responsible they were like shit. We kind of have kids coming in here fucking crashing in dine and should in the odd. We're gonna have to you know, we were scrambling because he's place was like my home. You know, I just pulled my hot Hydrocare, whatever these other places it sorta gone and coming on as opposed in. It was happening again, you know, like, I was fucking just another devastation to lose another spot. Because of semantics strat wasn't upset about the crash Hain, you this crashed was like his responsibility on our responsibility for having dug jumps. Nobody was. Pressure on anybody to. To taught in any rules or anything like that done. What was going on with? Yeah. Ruins like fucking personal y for or anything like that at the time. But those jumps were kinda bulldoze by that same thirty ton excavator something because they had to I think fix a whole agreeing hosts fucking dressage training arena that was above where the jumps off the joy, the excavator the jumps to go do that at the end of those narrow. That was that was that was but that was actually one of the one of the first ever photos are short loading on SEM was down there during the turn down a super super happy about. Yeah. Fucking old shit, man. Yeah. I mean when you've been going to name a prolonged Tom ago back when s name was destroyed ACO the fist time. Yeah. Dude. I mean, that's gonna be probably one of the rats things. Not many people can be as synonymous with the brand especially in the strategy. Gelia chopped and changed quite often changes to be on. Now, how I go put on in the first place through knowing Alex an income of knowing gorriak, I guess, you know, being metal. Yeah. Exactly. And so they would under the same roof, you know. And I think Alex the new go Rex. Would go next year. And kinda was like, hey, let's do shakeup at team. Hey, thought off brand I go back ran whatever. And I remember I remember the not he fucking. I think he texted me rude prick. He didn't even coal right at work looking cooking. Fucking dinner coal moment. Hey, what's your dream setup? All right back to box, lamb, Lamba pitchforks shit. Fuck that UK spoken to you fucking. Give me a cold. Oh. What if some wreck why have gone about letting me know that I was going to be sponsored by from then on and I fucking hit the roof. I could not fucking believe it like I went from having all my box stolen, having Sheedy black. So this kind of crap and then from no fucking sponsor knowing fucking nothing had a couple. I had a couple of photos in the MAG. Got to see that she a model being put on event or something like that. But it was like from fucking nothing to. Hey, here's a whole bunch of shit with the one fucking log on it that you could never afford that you looked up to your whole fucking lot. He's all of it. He like a framing shit. It's like a strain sponsorships. All any productive being the me that was like an still now I cannot fucking believe that that happened. And I feel so fucking like SM growing up for me was like oh my God. It was the shit that it was the block pas that you knew that you could trust that only the best rod has had because I somehow had a connection to somebody who's fucking some out get them from America or something like that. And if you once you had that pot, you never had to fucking Maury about behind another pop once you had peach folks on your balking to fucking Baud, you never by folks again that was the that was the allure of the brand was and then all of a sudden headed opportunity to have all of that shit for like fucking nothing like what? An in. It's ten years later, and it's still sort of sort of going on at the fuck that's manage to that long five destroy changes and shit and afford something always crazy shit. And like, yes, somehow, I didn't take take much from the brand. I try not to take much from the brand because I fucking believing the quality of the product rather the product being someone else's Hanes in mind because I fucking know that it's good. I know what on writing and I trust running. If someone else is writing you've got a buck for a long time got to set up for quite a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Changes. Custom-made custom frying twenty one point seven five half, the black half ATF Kona thing. Yeah. You had that four five years. Can you need to spend time on a bike? He spent Thomas setup. And if you do it for multi years, you really stop the rot good all like opposite with with the custom look all used to be able to rod any any saw didn't matter. What it was? I would it happily in work figure out a way to get it, you know, before ride around limitation. Yeah. Yeah. Before I got sort of I got a little menial sponsorship. We luck block show could lots locals and through them to get a middle box rebel to frame. But before that always on this fucking sick. And hand nor code fucking something that had like a sixteen and a half inch back in nineteen half inch fucking Tope shoot, right? Well, that was the ball goes on in like Joan I it put me and he's videos like these really piece of shit fucking block crap. And then like a slightly bit a bike through the rebel contender. And it was like that was the first every American might frame ahead. Okay. With data factory rider in the movie read they want. There have been Canadian Bryant really in criminally voice by back in. Longside and red line. Those killing it. Got me there. Thousands suck. From that try to describe going to rice black back that and it was heinous. Ceylan young as will look. Back you though rice the Olympics. London emotion with Cochem ecology Makasi change. After that. Fucking chemicals. You know, wanna be next Guinea can lead. Kuzin? Do all right box. All luck, my friend Cama. Can I get your name? Wasn't he chemically chemicals? It was chemicals e 'twas. Hi, what's your name, son? You lost? My I causing. Cami lock rather kill myself in China chemicals, the ice in that that makes me come cozy. Kevin Qazi to avoid the fucking Kasi. All right to get some coverage magazine Lange to do pretty well over the years. Somehow. I don't know you just put me in the fucking magazines. Thank you, everything time for luck us, Susie. Did if I didn't actually do it. I'm sure it's an Email that didn't make its way through saying. Thank you so much spanned field suspected fucking it wasn't. That's why I ended up talking magazines. Dinning this. When the next started you on the stand that. Yeah. On the perfect example of who, you know, not what to be on us. I did nice gripe gripe photography's was very fucking lucky. You've had some good times. I mean, I heard stories about getting photos. I mean yet. View. Issue. Forty five maybe. Lighten the pace you like into me. That's fine. I didn't think about that. Just look at off because you had an interview another MAG issues, or whatever it was before me, and I go through together people in that one the. Interested about him so much he thought he would interview him before me. But. Crew together you have to have a joke. Fuck it so spread you know, the interview that worked out in the MAG. Yeah. That was going to go and rebel yell with. That's what I thought. And that's what got held off being twenty twenty long. Yes. It was fucking those photos were fucking four and a half years old or something both came out in the in the Meghan. That was another thing that totally just fucking piece me off broke me down about the whole system of trying to do it. What's the fucking point go stress and dual this shit that you fucking like you want to do, but you kind of on the border about it of you know, whatever it may be particularly shooting with Pollock is is hot pressure. I told you I was talking earlier about how Pollock was meant to make a weekend at Rowen's jumps when I was riding right? I was feeling really positive. Everything was going good any can on the the Friday that he was meant to come up with some sun. And then I didn't seem again for months and months and months, and by the time, I next story developed like love if with fucking NBA, and like totally changed into fucking pays shit human being and I wasn't able to rod to the abilities. That I wanted to I didn't show shit that I wanted to do all that fucking stress, and you know, all that fucking Schick in jumps rot. And then he wasn't ready, and then he's fucking ready. And I'm not ready all fucking bullshit. And then fighters get sat on fucking us. And then you just white for years and using using this nothing happening else wants to do anything with you. Because you meant to have this thing in rebel yell. That's never coming out. Literally never coming out. Frustrated may is not as your man, he's not going to release the fight on news. He wants to buck. He's fucking amazing. Took the good photos took great fighters not releasing them shit like that and that piss me off because I had other shit that I wanted to be doing Bach. I wanted to move will point you need that you need that stuff done. I wasn't. I wasn't able to get to the next because all those fucking five years of hiring and bullshit before before the fucking interview flooded as a fucking drug addict. You know, I wasn't hunting fucking everyday leading braiding BMX. I was fucking potty thinking that was it's a hard time. I mean, I've seen so many people go to that time, you know, like, you know, you're sixteen eating some many kids on your shredded heating, you can get a lot since. Drink alcohol. You can follow it probably gonna go him button. By car. It calls the fucking BMX field like that quickly. Kid is sixteen seventeen possibly the best in the world. And you only got a few crew left to ride eighteen years. That's true. Even less thirty. Yeah. That's very true. You've smash some hard Yod's new time going through that. Yeah. It was it was I went to guess guests of different time as well. Like, I was like because I was so I was just like one hundred percent on famous like, I didn't I wasn't that. I was focused on being mixed making like through BMX through Mexico's having fun and always meeting people that locked in that fucking wanted to hang out. Finds a loved, you know, like meeting all these guys and shit that I just would sickest motherfuckers in the world. You know, like the best people to hang out with. There's nothing else in the world that was even coming providing that talk of entertainment for me any kind of weight like. To have to have that some healthy. I would bus outside influences and shit like that. And then like, yeah. That turns into the potting with the friendship aspect. I mean, the basic stuff. You lock you start hanging out. Fuck the buck. We're just good night's anyway. Right. Fucking broS and all that type of thing. And then you just putting more and more mobile. Lago saying go into that a bit lighter. Like, I didn't really I didn't think I fucking did ecstasy until I was twenty three or something like that. MGM I should say. But when I did it was luck mumbo mother fucking kidding me. Like, I thought I'd felt that top shit fucking white ladle really should be doing something with it. Because it is it connects people can connect you to that you designed for Maggie. No. She thought it was using it. Now big time. They're studying hot trying to make it legal. You have veterans coming back from war. It's got massive it works. Really? I could not believe might like could feel so much. I could feel so you know, did I could see such beauty in the world. I'd never ever seen the world in a why luck that ever? And it's not it's not a hallucinogenic drug, which just makes it fall in love with this shit. And I had absolutely fallen in love with with with how it might feel that fucking swing. It's not a good thing to fall in love with luck that it doesn't love you back. It's got a place in it. I think it's gonna use by date as fucking. Yeah. That's the own off. Switch lack the internal turnoff. Keep going just wanna just wanna keep chasing that hot choice that many many nuts. Wasn't always fucking. So the sunshine chasing fucking high on your own talking even seven for wellness. A have you been up like so about haven't had it drinks since thirty June two thousand seventeen. Good to fucking amazing. Absolutely fucking amazing. Every indictees just like. I also have depression shit every fucking sucks bulls. Like there's so much going on in my fucking life that it makes me fucking height. The fact that this is this is the existence. This is the one the one shot, but not drinking makes me excited to face all of that shit because I know that at the end of that date, I'm stronger for having gone through it. Alcohol is is a perfect way to be like fuck all that shit. Fuck the hajj. She did I go to do fuck Lahoud's sheet that I go to go through on knock gonna go through that. I'm just gonna fucking sit here, and do this thing whatever, and you can do that for as long as you fucking want. But it doesn't change the fact that. You just going to have to go through it at some point. When the fuck you're gonna go through it. That's the that's the choice that you have to make us oppose or at some point. I penny drops something walk that for me that was gave giving of distance from alcohol enough decent. Like, I say alcoholism all abusive alcohol is like a bubble. When you in the bubble of alcohol use, you can't see negative ramifications. Because and I'm talking like, I don't think it has to be regular drastic amounts of alcohol that changed the way that you feel about it because you in the bubble in alcohol culture bubble you constantly drawn to the through all of the cultural association celebration fucking rest of it and all that kind of shit. But it keeps you fucking retarded to what it's actually doing to fucking poison like a guarantee it slows you down drink couple of us a week it you'll dumber for having junk those couple. Couple of week. Then if you fucking distance yourself being outside of the bubble after how many months, I've it was in you. It's different for everyone. I'm sure but I'd fucking new when I wasn't drinking anymore. I fucking knew had control that fucking Yuna wasn't an addict anymore not tied to say not an addict anymore because I don't drink. Whereas if I wasn't an addict I'd be able to drink, and it wouldn't be a problem. We'll something like that. Right. I don't know if that's how I see it. Just fucking don't want to get back into that bubble again having to take your can like a month, two months ninety days to clicked. For me. Okay. So like thirty Juneau's giving an ultimatum PA. We had two month old your father three and a half month old baby to get on. She kind of gave me an ultimatum like you have to cut the shit out or kids kind of thing copy. Ran you more like your, dining, fucking liability. I kind of took that ultimate item. Decided that okay, I'm gonna give it a shot. Kind of thinking in the back of my head like fuck like I'll probably get back to drinking. I'll stay they'll be before a few weeks or something like that. And then probably go back to drinking that was my usual patent find you find and that was a serious effort to get to a few weeks. But if I could do that, and I could show whatever and then like four days after I got so bogged got sent to jail and so going to jail I was on the NF for under just under a month going to jail gave me the distance between myself and alcohol. Then when I got out of jail on a peel that not a really really wanted to drink. And I was like I was dead set on getting out and having bees full shoal, man. Like, I was fucking talking fucking. Isn't it? Everyone's talking to you. Man, you get out you're gonna have begun. So like that she and then I got out, and I was super super Cain for it. But sorry edit that at my partner was. Partner suggested to me don't fucking drink. Just put it off a one not to see how you got the. I was like, yeah. Okay. Ignores fully aware, my head that always going to take money that I had already seen in the shrapnel John on the count on GOP the shelf in boss fucking booze with fully aware that I was going gonna do that. I took the money out of the jar told her had to go for walks because I just couldn't believe that. I was outside. I couldn't believe his out of jail like this fucking child is all encompassing. Other white to anyone who hasn't been in Spokane horrific outside knows like a used as as an excuse to get away from the house. I'm going to get for walk experiences freedom and do this shit. Took the money out of the fucking jar on you. I was taking the bus and fucking alcohol, and I could've done it. Like it was in my hand. I could've got away with it. Go out of the house without even the coins. Jingling my pocket and I walked up. I was as possible to show of fucking stopped and that stall going into Bola. Shop didn't buy his first time I had ever taken control of. Ever since then I called youth fucking two minutes oughta on my. Ever since I've been in control of its ever been an issue for me Simpson up being to everything weddings funerals. Every fucking potty you could possibly imagine drug all the parties. Everything you could possibly fucking imagine in alcohol's, just not noticing a life. 'cause it's it's just not now that's a massive credit. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I guess I mean. Yeah. A lot of shit happened. A lotta shit was going on around the around that time, you know, like fucking innovates is an intriguing shit like that. Like all that crap. A lotta shit was. Shit storming together around in. And it was like really time to sorta she'll get off the pot like honestly don't count myself being now if I hadn't stopped drinking when I did. So I guess it's like a stars aligning thing. Definitely take the posted. You've out of all of those negative experiences that contributed to to having to stay away from alcohol giving myself that giving myself I didn't give myself the distance. But having that distance between myself and alkyl forced on me. Gile was was fucking incredible. Also getting to say, you it's fucking luck beneath the surface of society is is fucking horrific. It makes you really not want to be part of that. So that was like miles to a lotta shit in gummy loaded draw. I've in the beginning we needed it. Those are really many people. I don't know. I don't know. It's very lonely. Fucking thing being alcoholic is. Will you fucking? You. Ben everybody. Fuck everybody off in you, treat everybody likes. She it and all that kind of thing, and you wrap it up in booze. You know, and you just cuddle yourself, and you tell yourself it's fun fucking all that kind of crap you just destroy people constantly Yankee a flying. Fuck that anybody's. And so when you'll that alcoholic that gets to rock bottom is nothing. No one. You have no one fuck nobody because you've been a content everybody. So it's like you have to very slowly. I don't know. To build yourself up something. Yeah. I do. She's fucking incredible. And that's what you do y'all Yemane inlex. She's she's minding like she'd be amazing. If I wasn't Alikhan. Nessie me a lot more amazing because not will only experience that. Yeah. Through not being colleague luck. Regardless of of I guess position. At least all know that always there for it fucking remember grownup. I'll fucking crush the fucking. With the kid. You know what? I mean, every decision that I make fajitas off in my life. And she like that is delivered. Reasonably well for that. It's not like apple fucking crazy. You make the craziest rash decisions every fucking ruin relationship off the relationship. Lovely woman, a lovely woman. Fucking just destroying these people because I was fucking piece had had no idea. How I did. I did have an idea. Just didn't give a fuck about anything. Because that's that's just what it did to me. That was that was the freedom found in that was the freedom on needed to not give fuck because I'd been I guess guilted. My whole life alcohol took me away from guilt. That was my joy was I guess fan -joyed somewhere else. I guess in digging. Says you trials you build. I guess that's an upside to this. You've built and some of the most amazing trials mountains of ever seen anything as prawn close to what's going down. Not navy. Eighty compared to what I'm doing. Now. Glenn pieces crab. Maybe. Yes. Maybe. Used to make with a shovel tainted. And nowadays you've got to you got something going on. You don't have to watch horrible old main jumps throws rocks. Hey, hey, Bill to lift fuzzy hall road at the extra love this a beautiful job shredding. Probably Glenn definitely tell us about many times. Lenses vest. No. He is everything Glenn other than love is junk. So so Glenn love you avoid looked up to you. And thank you for letting me be a part of anything to do is a book again, I push at it massively. Actually, appreciate all the Eldorado pasta anything to fuck Bill to the older generation. I'm saying that from our generations point, you got older again. Anyone is younger than me who doesn't say that she you there can fucking going eight a bag of Dicks. Some of the kids coming up. Now. It's interesting, you know, some of the kids come out what would us talking about the other day. We got new Brandon lupus. I'm pretty aunt on him. He looks up to a lot of the degeneration. He's wouldn't have expected. It. Brandon loopholes. Yeah. Right. He's he's seems Conan us, dude. Sometimes he's gonna talk shit on do, you know of any McHugh times? But yeah. From from in small interactions. We've had sometimes really sometimes comes across quite busy. He had to see him. Does he want to see him yet? Yeah. But who hasn't seen him off? But he had to say. I know but he had to sit in front. That's pretty confronting fun. Flip over basically, shoving face straight into it. Fucking being pretty close to awesome. Spend some pretty loose week. This isn't a triathlete podcast. So let's just leave that fuck I wasn't trying. Give joy ethic. I guess. Yeah. If you want to challenge bet about what gone on with red rom the new spot. I mean, vice you involve me up there. When place was still pretty fresh. Tile straightness mtm through there when the place was pretty fucking fresh, actually. Well, yeah. Hadn't even jumped the jumps. And then had the team. Team come through. We found out twenty four hours before you guys all their odd that the job was actually a full boggling off too long. We had twenty four hours to completely knocked and reveal this which Alistair highs who I fucking workhorse genius on Bach lovely man, he managed to do that almost England completely completely fan Arabia. This upper almost resigned because I was too busy being taken fight. Isis James, FOX often the Bush. And now got stuck into fucking slept operated being in the next diet was getting three boy, we'll gun all the rest of it. So as Joe man, he did a jumps seems changed from then United like the getting walled. Now, David and the grand grand longer, stapler and stuff and changing shapes and all the rest of it. But I just want like, it's it's the lawn that would building luck for me anyways. It was something that fucking magnum. This is something that. In it. It's the best shit. I've ever Dougie Monteilh off well thought out well distance. And like it fucking perfect is just exactly what I want fucking. What I've always wanted to know what I've always wanted to write because there's Thais to always change always evolve. Which is what child's perfect you can build your ova tights as which is what this law news. And it's getting to a point where it's fucking of hand. You gotta fucking quick in like the Johnson toll. And then they go really high and it's sickening. It's it's everything that I wanted to set a Johnson and probably more, you know. The heap. Bottom of the law at the moment. My little brother's ashes into the offering for that as a bit of a kind of as a beautiful al-majeida hime new. He leave these loss, and he was so fucking loose. And he sent it so hard and all that type of shit, and like having that sort of represented for me up ramp is such a weird thing about is. So fucking perfect. It's like it's kind of like a tombstone a fucking sins. You absolutely perfect. Like, it's amazing. It's about the same hot. He was as well as dude which pretty. And it somewhere that because he was cremated somewhere that can go, and, you know, ashes at home, and she when I gotta do some stuff with them dads ashes together, like they're gonna go fucking do some shit, whatever. But the having that spot. That's like that's one thing that I can go to doesn't have a grave or anything like that. You know? So it's like, you can I can go there and see the Knicks upper like, there's no soul or whatever. But does that closeness does feeling of of physical closeness to the bone fragments and she didn't Ashra like actual bits of him? And you can be close to that. And I get a lot out of out of feeling like I was always really super close to my brother. And. Yeah, now now that he's like dead. It's fucking a miss that a lot. And so to to be able to get that literal, physical closeness is super important him. And that existing Joan. It's means the world to be able to to be able to jumped into all the guys have helped dig on that jump particularly down upright. I did pretty much the mind. But that was because I wanted to I asked the gods could not sort of not fuck around too much, but the the Dan ramp in the Goss who out like fucking dead that's built something beautiful down. Just catches. You perfectly is perfect accompaniment to to the rampant. It's the age picked intended distance in hot fucking beautiful. So most amazing jump of a dog and help. Thanks. Thanks fucking dig initiate like that's the topic. She don't want to dig stuff. That's like when for me rotting mainstay much more than just writing some fucking jumps fingernails for audience. They get coup jumps fucked. Sick for me. It's like a emotion roll through the Bush. Yeah. Digging ship personal thing for everybody takes takes different things from being their jobs news and having their own little. Little almost high even in the Bush doing doing the thing. It means different things different people. I guess you'll new spot in the fact you have started from scratch on you go on like you've been there from the start as opposed to coming into another set of jumps like road existed. This is this is your journey. Yeah. And it's a fucking commitment to look are you going on otherwise? Yeah. Crediting in the last eighteen months how much set places grind you. Can you can tell from you Instagram posts nearly how much you love it? Which is it's fucking amazing that place that post pretty hectic. It's fucking help me through some serious shit. I actually wanted to coal that line. I wanted to call it. So by because when I I dig dug myself, so I didn't have a drink for like three weeks. And I thought I was so Suk new moon. Suk min call it Suber never drink again. And then of course, if I fell off the wagon whatever and hates the bad shit's going on in my life, and I was doing over things and all the rest of gone a lot of trouble. And then and then I remembered almost immediately afterwards that you don't name fucking lawns. Australia like just jumps in the fucking Bush. Hank? This is Paul, but and this is gonna go down Charleston. This like. You know, you just run fucking. One. Oh. Just. Just face when you're up said full-back the front three and the you know, it's like it's like having this Steitz fucking cold coins in New South Wales and Victoria, verses Western Australia because it's on the west of the northern territory because it's not. And this strategy because since it's it's like that you have the front three because they're the front three jumps. Hi, this full pack because. Pack of four jobs and the big expect because seeks bigger jumps contract sense. Just Nyman Nyman. Lonzo fun is even hard to give the jumps tonight. Buzzing drinking in so stuck with. Pretty stubborn in the that magical red red. Yeah. Ryan unbelievable. But that that line when you hitting it full spayed Spade. Essence by Steph you mentally India. There is yeah. It's it's slow coming back. Yeah. That learning that's the time to be free of everything learning. This is now the time don't stress about other times not being the times where you know, you have stress free. And all that kind of thing can case if you start thinking about that stuff. That's it man is fucking getting sketchy as fucking long, man. Like like just thinking, you don't need Inca. You just fucking just do it. The body doing. The best in the world. Do you think that she it off at the fucking worst roads my life over thinking, she? Thinking outside. Fucking fact is you're not day not president on you again. Just fucking Rajabali through. Whatever means it is get that feeling get at feeling of nothing slack lining. Oddly has the same kind of feeling around lock the success to do like when you're balancing on the slack line and shit like that you really do have nothing going on in your head. It's really quite we'd feeling but it's almost executive Nixon white like when you're doing it. Right. You know, thinking about it. But then when you try to focus on balancing issue count balance like it's fucking out. If you go slack Lonzo. But Watson fell off. You're thinking about match. Just a couple months ago we sell from televisions out across pool. I walked two steps. Like fuck these fucking possible. Right. You just don't think about it. Just like. Black across. Yeah. Yeah. Did that on the fear factor once? Yeah. Yeah. They can do actually did it. Locked. I try the contestants dining. Probably fifty fucking. Chances but we break. Yeah. I think we might need to do. We fuck. I think we need one. I'll fucking jump back L jumping real quick and just say the law the loss sheet that we would do together in terms of BMX and stuff like that. Was this an trip? So that is an trip married complete fucking jackass myself the whole fucking trip. No sorry about that. I said that you David in the car to bathe and actually just in general for being such a fucking miss eating things, particularly rude. Very embarrassed by my behavior often that after that trip when I broke my on like fucking bregman two weeks before of Judah have my back. I don't make my partner was going to have. I breakdown to light up have Freddie too often that I get cold drink driving two months after that. I get sent to jail, and that's just just as I was able to go back to work from the surgery on my broken on. So that whole time three fucking months, or whatever it was. I wasn't making sense. So every cent that I fucked everything we will spending. I was borrowing from PayPal and shit like that. So we were in this massive massive fucking hall. And then at when the baby's four months old Bank. Judge sends me to fucking jail sentence to six months rot, which is fucking in by the why for anybody who is listening dying fucking drink alive. I went to I went to jail sentence to six months got laid out on a peel after a month or whatever just under month. But that is recommended sentenced to hand down Baud judges to anybody he's cooled high range drink driving. That's what they're going to sentence. You to seeks months? So don't fucking do it dying fucking drink drive. It's like Mon was first offense one charge of registering driving on the charges fucking reckless driving. No abusing police. None of that sheet pulled IVA breathing. The bag and got sentenced to seeks months in jail. That's gonna happen to fucking anybody who breeze blows high ranch. That's just the way it is dying fucking do that can do that at all. So I go to jail stock getting cyber everything's working pretty well. End in eleven months ago. My younger brother at twenty five hangs himself and kills himself for apparently no fucking raising completely out of the blue. And for the last eleven months dealing with that. Has been my eyes up to like, that's yeah. That's digging. The jumps go serious more stick in men. A bit more to mean things like that to build what I wanted to build in a certain WI with a certain level of discipline, and passion and aggression in the why that always digging outlet for all of that. No, one to translate sign much of what he was unable to translate in his life into this sort of lawn through through running and stuff like that. And that's gonna that's being the massive driving force at the moment as I'm getting my back's FOX Jesus fucking surgery on that until this Jeevan shit audit. Focus on any of that crap because it's a half fleeting law fees in half fucking unbelievably unpredictable, ease you need to be ready to face all of that. She hit at the start of every fucking day that you wake up to have the mental strength the emotional strength to to know. Yourself that that day could be the day that you'll partner does that you could today that your brother does you mom will you fucking kid or whatever the fuck it is charge into that day because it's the same. It's the same amount of rescre of them dying that day as any other fucking days. So why the fuck not just absolutely smash it out going fucking ready? Always prepaid. Always like odds. Open like looking forward. Locking always looking forward in moving forward. Always trying to Betty a self for yourself nor anyone else. Fuck alled ego. She fuck that crap you mission to feel better off if you will, you know, a depressive person scenically inclined even let seen cynicism continuing to like. Abject hasim. If careful especially if you add alcohol and things that you're an seemingly minded people. You can drive each other into a pretty deep duck fucking hall being prepared for. Being prepared and open to the fact that the worst could the worst fucking. She can go wrong at any fog communit-, knowing that's gonna it's gonna happen. The worst that you can possibly imagine probably gonna happen. You might as well Feis that accept that. And then you can go on leaving your loss being productive and getting more out of age dight. Fund. Anyway, it makes it makes each day more enjoyable for me knowing that it's you know, it is fleeting in that. It is. Such a fragile thing that one one note exploit all of those wonderful things that we that. We do get to have through it through the experience of old old Abadan all the bullshit, all the fucking horrible horrible. She it is okay as well. That's just normal. That's okay. So you know, what under the bridge taught thing always be moving forward. That's kinda wanted to. Side. I guess like. It's hard to sort of site is without prompting on a like initiating this. But like from that moment sort of like go to use ago kind of thing. I guess when Fred was born or a couple of weeks full that pretty much we run that triple something like that raido close. Just like Brooklyn and for the couple of months after that actually fucking years being developing for years in like, but I was like I was drinking will have fifty standard drinks a day every day every single fucking day and taking outside eighty eighty sixty eighty over the counter paracetamol codeine tablets every single indict. You know, what I mean like going to different chemists and shit like that. So they wouldn't fuck in stuff selling it to you. All this kind of crap you can fuck in be you can be that fucked up. You can be so far off sheet creek. And still you can come back from that. You can be okay. You can fall in positive you can find happiness, and you can fall in meaning weed out having to rely on those same all patents that you that. You always have if you will that toughest if you are that topic person notice plenty of fucking dudes out of. Rached out to me through Instagram and shit looked at warning not not advice, whatever about maybe just like wanting a chat or just some sort of contact with somebody. That's like being there at that bottom at that fucking onto rock fucking bottom. That's been there. It's like, I'm not dead. You know, I didn't fuck you myself. My brother hit his rep automating fuck killed himself. Right. I didn't kill myself. I'm still here. I'm still kicking. And I'm enjoying it on. I love the fact that I get to leave my life with he's memory pushing through in may because that's him coming through me. You know, like, I live my life in the why that on no that he was sucked for me to live my life happily healthily, you know, and we're the fucking serious need to take advantage of the time and talents and skills. Whatever it is that you've got exploited. Those about yourself exploit your mental strength, exploit your physical strings. If you have do the app. Absolute fucking best that you can't in love every fucking whether goodwill bad. It's one hundred percent just what it is meant to be. Noneya we'd fight wire religious way or anything like that thought fucking yet. I mean, you fucking know what it's like to go through crazy shit like fucking cancer and shit like that. That's so fucking Nali. I haven't had cancer. I don't know what that's like. I'm way different stories. Yeah. Like comparing the in a couple of in just a couple of years. It's just a couple of years not every day that couple of uses of fucking struggle at all. Like, I said, you know, the not that I got out of jail. So I've been sober for nineteen not sorry for fucking. Twenty seven days or something like that including the foot is before I went into Gile like a still wanted to drink like I still really really wanted to drink. Then since then forward it's been like fucking amazing. You just have to make that decision for yourself that controlling decisional you'll run in life. What you can Mazda yourself must euro, LaFontaine, control. That's where you find that fucking pal to do whatever. The fuck you want. It doesn't matter. What it is stand? It just doesn't matter. Whatever it is that standing you away. What I mean is you find a way to enjoy it regardless of what it is negative positive. You you've fund why to be okay with whatever it is happening. And yet, I guess familiar I've found that through having all of everything that I've ever wanted in loved being taken away from me one way or another and then being in jail where they literally fucking do that to you that literally Streep you fucking. Bed. I take away all of your personality. All of who you are as opposed EV everything that you identify as as a human being taken away from you. So that you'll just you nothing, but a Saka fuck in your caucus bowls in a fucking green jumpsuit walking around the same as every other fucking ticket in that you nothing more than that. And rebuilding is super important. What do you want? What do you want to do? What do you want to be? How do you want to interpret the messages at the world gives you up when you have that blank canvas. Maybe it's easy to sort of build the painting that you that you wished you had painted the first time, maybe it is about that or something like that. But I think it's important. I think that's an important thing. I wanted to cite to particularly to a lotta those guys at do talk to me on the Graham and shit shitting in you know, in real life as well that. Is it's never ever to fucking light bike. That's gets it. So many fucking times in such a stupid, cliche and all that talk shit. But from being on the outside of the fucking handwriting echo point, ready to fucking job to where I'm at now is like I I could not fuck in imagine being that guy and being so fucking troubled in all that she had in not having anybody to feeling like I didn't have anybody to confide in or whatever the fuck it is you find that strength within yourself. Like, no one else is gonna fucking beat eventually eventually and you have to develop the strength to handle that situation on your on. Whether you want to annoy you have to do that you have to become mentally tonight. Like, physically ready for whatever physical encounters you come into all that kinda shit. But the mental preparedness is something that's just fucking important fucking. Yeah. I don't know why not anything about that going up by not at all teaches UMass schools. Teach you about it said of particular skills that only applicable if fucking everything goes perfectly. Well, if a every preparing for much, it's not it's not lot that you get prepared full. It's perfect fucking nuclear family style. Nineteen fifties vision of the fucking future, you know, like go to university. And then you come out of that. And you make you have a job that's worth that much money. You can pay off the debts accrued while you were studying game, man. Fucking bullshit. Hey, going back a little bit talking about some people that have reached out to you. Obviously, some bad spots drop some names. I'm going to say more to you is that a lot to take on board. Some sometimes these confronting thing. I think I suddenly have someone than if you've been in spot to unload on you not unload on you to ask off from me off to people to. I asked people to off the off the my brother committed suicide. It was like it was I could fix that. I could have shown him how leave the why did I live now that makes me feel so happy and so excited to get out and fucking whatever it is. She is fucking thing was saying whatever it is. I can take people out to be excited about Las how ins it is hard, man. And it's like to to get that motivation. How that move on your own fucking difficult. But I I could have shown my brother, I could've could've shown him. I told him I coulda pulled more time in energy into saving him from himself. So I fucking put a post in east grandma. Not super long after Daud asking people if you have one of those people that close to the fucking that leaves lifelock that like. Kind of at one hundred miles an hour like fucking bulletproof in she hit. And I don't want to sound like a parent. That's parents site. Parents say like ten foot tall and Bill. Fuck parents fucking parents over budget counts. They say things like ten foot tall and bulletproof. You thank you. I don't want to. That that it's. Chocolate bullet truth. Maybe. You so fragile in. Yeah. Kind of lost my point there little bit. But into. What you're saying about the gauze Gaza originate shit. Yeah. I asked him. I ask them to Yvonne samba taking this story. Because I want I want. To help them into from outside the bubble particularly people that drink drinking's fucking poison, man. Like imagine this is a fucking system run. This thing. Thing that you can take all fucking take anyone can take it. But you you can shoot I have a certain a man make you feel pretty fucking good as a poison. Don't forget that. It's a poisoned, but you can have X amount of this poison you'll feel feel rubbish next because it is a poisoned. Don't forget that it's a poison, but we're going to sell the poison to you in packets of twenty four fucking servings of it twenty four fucking savings. That's one for you. That's one big Dicks. Takes off. You gotta have you. Twenty four servings of poison h what the fuck is advocate. You know, what I mean like to get away from the bubble of that like normalization of poison consumption like because alcohol is not stigmatized necessarily new nearly as much as it should strive fucking way. Because it's not it's it's that's what this is peer pressure and shit exists around it way, like people can still give blood Sahadi time there. No drinking fucking series. Like, are you kidding me in the world that we live in? Now, you can't say fuck it. She anyone you can still get someone time for no drinking fucking pretty. Get the fuck outta here. Man. To to try and show people that there is they are in a bubble. It's fucking fake when you're in there. When you go alcohol reacting in your Brian the white that you drawn to those. And she's saying like, I think alcohol seats is a pot of human evolution of technology. That's. Allowed for some growth, but it stunted what? I mean for a lot of people who never be a problem in their lot like talking to people who who have control of alcohol and don't abuse it. I'm talking to people who use alcohol looking. Yukon, find an answer for themselves. You know, you're not falling to white out for themselves is a fucking whiteout, and it's not going to jail like doesn't have to be going to jail. I'll just kinda got lucky in that one. But I guess that's what I needed to get that time away, you know? And I still I wanted off the woods. But. Whatever it is like I wanna fuck in help these I want to help those monthly because I was it. My fucking brother was Aaron he's dead for my older brother is there now and he can be dead for it. Eight forty minute. Like, my father was it. He's dead for it. People fucking dying. It just kills motherfuckers. Apple's fucking dangerous. Not just because it's like. Because of the immediate dangers that we all know about, but because of the long term effects on the fucking Brian that lead these people Tammy did I deal with the destroy Lancet. Drink mon- sixteen today the cancer yet. Thank you that any smoke cigarettes. But anyway at all comes out that one of the leading causes cancers, alcohol notion Hutton cigarettes, really fucking home in. Fuck a mental kept in check point out that. It gets abused Bill. We live on a couch. That's fucking still you a box of twenty four accounts. Like you can get twenty four time. Nets luck the potion debt regulation on I know, you can be the fuck is doing that, Matt. It's fucking boxes of cost one. Yeah. Fucking forty standard drinks eleven. Yes. Please enter. That's fucking culture. Nothing else viable you're allowed. This one poisoned to potty with him. That's not a single other festivals. Ville the other ones. Now get this crisis. Sure is I don't know anybody who smokes ten joints. And then go wants to go out and fucking bash hitting. It's not gonna happen people that drink tain. I mean, if it's acid, we'll maybe show. Bash anyone either unconscious you had a few few few friends originally from heroin overdoses will so from that shit to kids found the city. Oh, the canvas stuff differently. I'm certainly glad you you've seen a bit of clarity a little bit. What are your next reckon? You've got a story to tell. Teach more peop- is think is that something no really wanna pursue the comedy thing. Like us to a still really want to stop sort of rushing Audio's concepts jugs and things like that. Okay. Not it's kind of weird though, because because it kind of took a step back from drinking in wanting to be that guy and all that talk shit. You kinda shed a lot of the ego. And then you should loaded the belief that you had any yourself, and that kind of like rock-solid idea that you had that you fucking definitely going to do this and definitely gonna do that. And then you start to question yourself. What fuck do I wanna do like who the fuck do? I think I am that you know, all that kind of thing. And so small e building up luck. I guess a bit of an ego or a bit of confidence enough to trust that what I am wanting to do what I'm wanting to you know, wanting to create is correct to do that. So to trust is is really hard. Whereas when you drinking you just blindly trust yourself, constantly, like whatever the fuck happens happens, and that's fine. That's the year attitude. You know? And then you you you don't trust yourself at all because you know, that everything that you toys, selfless completely fucking wrong. Because you drank the Tom say get rid of all of that sheet that you have a fuck toy yourself, and then you slowly loan relearn, listen. So there's more than a few comedians that have been dragging alcohol dependent and have pulled the peanut and become funny. Yeah. No. She didn't quite a few comedians who died because of the alcohol and drug. Yeah. Hennessy's? I mean, look the mod is out there. Many of them. You know, I want to talk about the stories. They're really fucked up shit that happened in my life. That's hilarious. That's fucking funny to me, doc humor in every doubt story, isn't it? Absolutely. You know, and being able to sort of extract out pull that out of a situation. I particularly like the stall of Coney luck with people, you know, extremely sort of open in, but like vicious in the way that humorous themselves could select to appoint. That's fuck what the fuck do whatever. But when you're when you know that I know that I want people to think that about me, but you know, that taught of humor I find absolutely captivating, and that's the top of humor that I'd like to translate to other people, you know, like. Horrific fucking stories from much out who and shit like that. Yeah. Real real. But you know, where the lawn between like, I know what's real. And I know what's doc about it? But it may be subversive in in in an Audi and situation, and I enjoy that type of shit. But. That's not that's not at all. Like, my focus. Learn how to play guitar in the loss since I was still drinking probably six months or whatever and then decided to start exercising. My Brian against Utah. Which is selling always wanted to do very good, but I comply which is fucked seek a place playing some of my favorite songs, which is like Siamese fun to be able to do that on your own to make fucking music is sick. I used to be able to do that. But like I used to play flute, right? Fucking. You get any pussy playing the flute. Yeah. Well, maybe those ladies flute. Playing the flute. Jewett duet flute do it. Okay. And learn how to thrash the axe place in Bob Dylan and gets some ladies swoon and cry with. Every vamp of the the TV Anka TV host fucking love to do more of that sheet. Man. I I find that stuff. Just so much fun. It's fun to be around people that do that kind of because it's so hot stress and all the rest of it. And yeah, I enjoyed that very much. Enjoy fucking mad NAS assist as well. So I love. Attention. Yeah. That's right in front of a fucking. Shit. Like, you know, drive two out of my way, I'm going to be time and all the rest of it. Fucking love initiate. Well, you sort of haphazardly fail into being the dude with the microphone that jams and stuff like early on Halloween jams adult show, five jams. Yes, I'm how you use ended up. It's like, oh, we've got the microphone hand handed over designed, and he'll get everyone adds doing shop job, absolutely. It was like all right. It was like fucking light in the day. Somebody was talking about whipping the crowd into a frenzy. So that somebody could do some fucking stupid shit, you know, and like Avs Chinese fucking best. Get nothing out of anybody. And it was kind of like the old tried intrude. Australian commentary method where it's big. We've been a bit not to trash ads, but to trash the fucking spawn. The model the model that we. Nothing exciting happening unless something citing has is happening on the Bach. And like I kind of thought like fuck that. Like. What's the fucking point of that? You know, every motherfucker. He everybody gets the joke. Let's go rent a fucking make jokes. You know? And that's all it was like. The first thing I actually want to be going contest. Which is the first everything happened at a jam at all and from that apps gave me a BI coastal whatever let me say something in the marker phone said go to bunch yuks and then. And then yeah, it was the next a little bit later on twenty minutes later or something like that. That's trying the crowd going on something. And then I think abs- gave it to me couldn't he couldn't be fucked anymore. It wasn't that he was doing a bad job. And all I wanted to take over something. He couldn't be fucked anymore. It was whatever it was over at wanted to ride. And so you decided like you just fucking do it. You do whatever it is. You wanted to do? And all this came to get on that again. I'm a fucking NAS assist. You get to eat my own voice fucking balloon through speakers, man. Like Arash rash? Definitely took to your brand of humor. And then just I don't know. It just became a given. It was like we gotta go this jam Zayas going to have them on that'd be fantastic. Did a lot of from jeans and a lot of different James actually, actually Joan fucking. Oh, you money. Win. This is gonna say making sound like such a scumbag when I was leaving in Newtown, and we did one of the Halloween jams thing. And I was starting to get pretty big time in you ally. You said to me, hey, I'll give you fucking Alpi. You come and combing tight the day because we got sponsors and shit. Fuck. Yeah. I was doing it for free anyways. Of course, they'll do it for money. Well, fuck. One hundred seventy bucks or something and. Return on the day and the generators fucked. That one generate is totally fucked. And so somebody's gonna go scrambling going higher and other generate. And so, of course, the money the money that had been set aside for may, I suppose was used on us on volume generated fair enough totally understand that and all that sorta shit. I was living in utan. It's on didn't have any income or anything that you ten days. That. Yeah. Man. I lived in fucking flat full, seven minutes, seven minutes, seven minutes just longer than the English goes. And then I actually cold Joan young who'd promised to promise me money for the thing. And actually had to be like. Hi, so have you got that money? I've always played by any back for that. Because I was talking fuck that man. No. It wasn't. Fuck I was pulled dude I wanted to nose. Yeah. Just titled my con- ruined. Another relationship actually ruined relationships. Totalled my fucking car and all this shit. And yeah, wasn't wasn't a good sport again. But that's just me fun. And yet another off bottom friend so hundred seventy bucks coming your way. It's coming. Makes him coined these days. I am an obverse now another shift anymore. So you can with Dunga. Wasn't. He clung trees chopping trees. He's pretty Chilton trees, I think he's calm and trees. Is doing both even voice had a gig doing trees with Dixon's. Fuck APAC, concerts, y'all. Rolled. They're crying today. Right. On your on your unsettled. Business, but a contract to other companies and shit like that which is Asia easy money to get not better money easier money in terms of like, I leave the job to get home. Unless we're go to fucking George Campbelltown do fucking podcasts. Fucking. Happy to do this. Yeah. This is the fucking time. Actually, brought lots man this crazy second-floor. Yes. I can flow. What? Yes. I guess I wanted to touch on. You being in the mountains sane being like the old agai being gnarly Alda more experience Rockville. So you're big figure, you're your your your big human your big presence at the Skype hawk of all the time. People know you from the jams. I know you'll you'll funny guy the microphone and you'll like this dude and the Blue Mountains scene is of his small than and sort of removed from Sydney a little bit. You definitely might not even know, but you have a lot of influence over younger autism mean these days, you're in your in your spot D And stuff of that. But if he's a guy, maybe, you know, when catoon revamp, you know, like, and I would get this is of see, you know. You know, showing you'll credited as worthy of being sponsored rod for Brown. I guess and I had kids who from low mountains. Thirteen year old little kids coming into the shop in Newtown and wanting to buy fucking pivot ten buzz and the time she like zave perfect tens on his bike news shit. I sold like two or three sits perfect teams to kids away too small hill. And I think that's pretty amazing hearing this crystal. No, man. You know, it's it's, you know, and that's the power of you know. Totally should look that actually people more than just saying. Those people like my friends more than I never thought that Locke turned into, you know, influencing thing something like, I know that I understand that that's fucking trickle down effect being sponsored that's the idea of it. A willing participant in that, you know, I've gone done like I've done shit SEM. That's like actually done SEM kind of thing. But like rotting the pocket in the character. I suppose I am at the park or used to be calm was. Yeah, it was just just being natural. It's fucking random people and shit like that, you know. And and it always go radio is allowed, but that was because of the Gaza Iran mascots bouncing off, you know, we don't have a scene oppa mountains now that sort of, you know, myself and L and patio. Really there's like there are some guys. But they, you know, they float about or whatever, you know. No one's really connected or anything like that. So there's two or three of us. Did you know so L time spent out there like, yeah? I guess. Fuck man. That's crazy. It's it's different now, though, all the sheets fucked up because. If you're not willing to play the Instagram game. How the fuck are you meant to do that like influence people all get Basel fucking get someone to buy a frame, or whatever, you know. Go to the sky park, and there's literally block autism catoon bucks. Before Instagram on audited? Fucking social media in August. Thank you very much. Matthew Hoon's legit? Remember lifestyle. To back in the diamond. It's it's now it's like you go to fucking doing something you putting it on Instagram or whatever I flown pharma value indignant jobs like that that's fucked building fucking Instagram profile. We're not get build a Downer. You know what? I mean like Bill Rick. And if you go to. Does Kiki's your head in the energy, which ones is I find tens stocked up. You can make a good train on the line phones on the at thrash for cashier thrash for cash Amy play right jet a bunch of screams down ramp all back to the lip whatever look fucking Bruce it to the sky and moon stuff. The boy. That was the before out of the drain those spun thing sixty. Yeah. I yeah. Became a black and white me did become a mean bailing off of Wilson jump in a big one foot X thousand. Favorite photo in the magazine. Three james. There wasn't super involved in organizing. The first one though, I did help the loss minute. But that was basically, Alex in UK woods on pretty productive poss- together that stage pushing Marshall clothing, pretty hard and shit. Alex is making some fucking headway, you know, in in terms of his Manno career, whatever the fuck, you wanna call it and then. Yeah. TV Scott button. Sure. I'm pretty sure he crashed already bought in you know, he fucking hand up already. But I I dunno MTV out whatever. No. He was productive at that point. He was being productive and chic and she'd done that Jim on with those dudes and build that crazy spawned was just fucking coal and coal in for that fucking Bruce fucking annot the that was filmed by John Young and apps and those clips ever seen serious kademi this if you can find informed him. Yeah. The the second the trash for cash the second one that big wouldn't be that was locked these three that and that was pretty as those thirty foot, plus jump massive with not much running grit. Lucarelli double whip whipped. I was also probably hit you. Hey, it was the most perfect w ever seen and then just plowed. The head. Then helping fucking roasted doing a phone a single which was loose because it was like Taj style at rule real long. Yes. The whip to stopped on him taking a shock bought some Khushi to that Jim and influence. I mean, you you manage to convince kids that's four four terrible eastern frame. Shaking them to do the best. And these kids probably will adults now fucking sprinting at this horrifically. Terrifying foot wouldn't kick a foot gap. They have no chance and fucking hill of clearing, and they just sprinting out jumping off in pretending they're but in species out of water. Landing. And you're shaking your frame saying that wasn't good enough fucking go again. Lot of pushes lotta push kids. What you said because you'll save you have the. Well, Alex p pressure and somebody to do something. Yeah. We need to start a petition to get come and tiding. Fucking vans comb down L. Look, look amazing. He looks amazing. Every time. Pants. That's what takes me. And I'll even vans to the vans thing. That's. We'll get. Vince for walking in. Yeah. Yeah. On ship. Good for wolf might run box. And unfortunately, the problem is if you go on to become a if gallon screen, if you're a commentary, Vance company will behind the microphone, everyone everyone's gonna mistake you because you said you have your look alike for about seven different celebrities is a few of century your fucking Ashton Cuccia. You had Josh hot. It was like that guy a whole bunch of fucking fifty or sixty of me getting their end look all of those dudes that so we bumping one of us. You know, decide that looks like me and he's looking at me fuck his cO. I look who's at handsome motherfucker. Doral? I was talking to show on God today in the shop. And he I started showing footage of you and stuff and he's like that's the one we looks like fucking Steph century fuck. Yeah. It'd be funny funded those older been live with that edit together was on haunts on three that was a fucking rid hot into got it. Then someway, lock it up spending anything done in the last ten years. A need some fucking foodie of it. Joan you've been homeless clips for too long. Whole clean those two three six blue the five bowl fit the fight of that's in your twenty twenty interview. Which is I mean, Goldman took the fighter from the wrong. So he admits that. Shoot. It is the the clip from that little troppled Cami set up our member that paying fucking unbelievable fish shot fish, Dan from just inside the house out of the pocket comes look silage. It, you know, it's just hanging balk that's pissing ever gonna do. You don't need to that. And then. What's next bay for you keep digging man, I love digging a run like foster jumping big jumps and gone higher and stuff like that? Having a lot. And it's like brain you spread Unum digging and digging it literally feel myself. I know it's like, that's that's being mixed mania. I have no desire to to fucking. Do anything except that except for? Yeah. Just dig Steagall on. It's just amazing from start to finish perfect has that. Yeah. I know the feeling that I'm looking for when I get then I'll let you know. It's it's just Coney nuts. It's it's so much fun. That's all I wanna do is dig in rod. I don't want. I don't want to go to skate park and spin Tom trying to fucking Lantana which anymore. All I want to spend that Tom digging. And then when I get that run through. It's all worth it on the types donate fogging tricks and stuff like that anymore. You know, they'll certainly not luck into the whole the bulk craze that's kind of taken over whatever's to me is like a form of. Pussyfooting around the fact that it's like you just wanna rod jumps. Yeah. Fucking jumps. I get going Bala. Get guys do that fucking on it. Well, yeah. Exactly. It's financially feasible time manageable. You don't have to build the fucking thing on your own unless you fucking clean Reynolds or something. But you know, what I mean like you can spend Tom Rodney balked doing that. Yeah. You can just rather have one day just have the perfect line. And that's why the spot where these with the gauze that's with at the fucking Bouche. No Kiedis Rodney there from the train station. You know, what I mean that no one's getting out unless like fucking, no. Scooters either. No fucking skewed is either Tom one fucking those far as you can see and you can say pretty far, but it's just that's a low. That's all I won't from it. Just doing that. Rothfusz names. Fucking amazing luck for that not stop as well. Fucking incredible. But yeah, you fucking to be able to give back to them in somewhat in some why even if it's a Rockin table on a real big jump in the photos really will take in by gripe photographer and looks good that to me is is so fucking some more important than like Graham clips off to gram grams. And that's that's just that's down. Probably get kicked off the team productive change. I mean, I heard many people twenty twenty stop to seventy crew. We'll what what do I aim for now? Icon. I'm what working towards? Yeah. Spread in the MAG view, very much luck that if I just have to go out and get clips is it worth doing. I think it is going on feel me. Yeah. I don't know. Just what doing it for throwaway? Clips can do a fun all is it with rawdon a by for Instagram. Not fun. No, no, no run. No run balk becomes before. Instagram knob. I mean, let's do be doing this shoot 'em doing if I didn't have in scrim. Yeah. But is it worth is putting all the stuff on Instagram? All I'm gonna put all the stuff when scramble fuck alone scrim for the man, I'm out the digging trying to squeeze minutes. Well, crapping audience version Sheva full. I'm talking about fucking fee milking, everyday, if every fucking minute savings special, Tom to in shit, like us, you spend that Tom has been a lot of the summits on with my with my daughter, but 'cause I'm still getting the Noche they notify to use it would've but an jumps obey their their fawn. And if they get Buddha's twenty more Bush against out another project, that's the way that I look at it. Now is as long as it keeps going. It's a fun. Good thing. And if it gets Buddha's, so what it was going to get Buddha's anyway, doesn't if it happens now ten years down the track owners can start digging another spot just Kate that I reckon you're getting booed is MAC. I can't get a Buddha between the trees. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the only way that can boot is it but nothing street, and that's how stubborn the balloons cancel these fucking do that. But that's why you'll be in check with and crew who account trays downs. True enough. Good a few a few blogs still, but yeah, no that's pretty much. I'm doing it lock always wanted to have something that I could say these jumps fucking legit that big that faucets. They work. They will manicured this move. The you know, all that shit. That's the shit. I guess a lot of guys it looks like a theme park ride, man. Feels like that. And it's a shit that a lotta Gaza fucking spend so much time in energy, creating an image around that they do that, you know, dues turn up to fucking turn to a bowl with like fucking this socks pulled up and all the raw looking shit. You know, what I mean like the dressed like fucking raise it, Austin woods or something. And it's like, you don't even do it for real. But you know, what? I mean, like, I guess I always wanted like, I just always wanted to do it for real. So did just done it for real for real for the whole Tom of Nanya, tried to guess as much as just tried to be honest with myself on us with fucking particularly with lock, however. However represent incident just honest straight up with that shit. You can't fuck and have the image of God that has jump. So whatever image of trials, dude or something like that. If you wrote in another dude spot jumps us. Exactly, right. They're not gonna exist. If they going to hill new Puma socks today to Luke I fucking road. I could do letting people pull this team. These days fucking be Mexico. A little bit because other Mike what my legs. Kumo up too. So sometimes. Ankle socks. It doesn't really FIS me. But I'm not going. People reps. I much desperate for the image. Rather than actually doing if much Tom and if into Dorn it go and dig in rather than collecting the imagery shit that I need to look the pot. They fucking have it. And then they would be the PA. I mean, something always thought about in magazines when I was a kid, you know, and when I started the magnets running MAG was I remember couple times on I'm gonna MAG when I was young. And you'd always see the, you know, the dude that you thought was cool. That's in the cubs. Cool and he's gonna stick on his head tube. They're going to stick on down. Dan. I short maybe Eddie socks up. Listen. Hi Carmen socks. But if you read an interview with him, it had something to say, and maybe they said something profound. And then you suddenly realize it wasn't about looking socks. Sure. That treaded, but they had something we're going on me. And maybe the Doug the trials. Maybe you know, maybe that will let Taj he's vegan all those those big peaks to this, dude. He could ride good because I think there's ever been a shortage in stralia, especially fucking bullshit Gujaratis. Yeah. Yeah. But it's always been a bit more about the story behind him that made them a good person. You know, it'd be on just being onto do trick X. Yes style. Why? I know you mean, what do you? What do you mean about the socks thing that is more to it than? The seam. Fucking metaphor portrayed if it's on Instagram magazine or video whatever any old school media. You can think like there is more to it than just sat image tried. And that's you building Jones and making that seen happen. That's what I'm saying bigger picture to it. And just that little image of what's showing? Yeah. Well, that's that's I think that what you talking about like when you see a picture of of scene. It's not just the ingredients within the picture that make that up is that what you mean. Yeah. Exactly. It's not just like. Yeah. It's not easy to get either. Fucking on bought fucking fucking blow that shoot just fuck it on it. But you gotta make a decision that you want it. And then just fucking gone do go. What fucking go work. But yeah, that's the fucking. That's join it. If I can work till hoods, and this when you make stuff happen. I guess. Yeah. Fuck you guys invited me on this shit. I've been on a fucking lived at fucking finger fuck and so long for the famous community from. Well, I mean that's selfish though. All rod, those those jumps Al hasn't even go to heat the. Fogo came up short on one of the long jumps Jackie's and Khalil the week as all to hit. Posted that clip on all love that. She had an it's feel so bad for that. Dude. Fuck obey mix. Rodney's fucking Jones. When you do come and hang stuff. That's why you ride being mixing the first place part of team. It's true. And and and when you like us have gotten stuck from seeing the progress of your spot and seeing seeing you saw stoked on your spot gets start and makes me happy that your fucking doing this. And you'll really you're enjoying your time there, and it's just like it's really good to say and like in intern. That's giving back 'cause you're making me happy because I say that on like fuck and ride on dude. Like, this is and he's doing it. And let's easy way to to to do it. You're gonna let me off the hook like that. He's back. It's not selfish. It's I mean. Everyone's welcome to coming up on most pot luck avenues to go down to come and hug at ride. We'll then that's when you know that you probably. I mean like. If you don't know how to go about that. You'd probably not welcome everyone else, man. Yeah. I wanna I won't people to come and the so there's no point just having fucking jumps where you just lock the place up and say, you don't dig if fucking hours or something you can go fuck, you sills and all the rest like places that are unbelievably streaks about exists for sure. Yeah. Like who comes win wing? Who's do you know that type of thing? And it's like fuck that shit, man. I still want the same type of attitude that we had when we had the jumps at Hughes avenue down the bottom of the fucking straight loss. When I was ten Andrew Behmen Steve Brown like just wanted to have jumps from the psychic at wanna get faucet. High and shit like that and wanted to share that feeling with my fucking nights. That's all it is a love that shit about BMX in its took a lot of confusion and conferment over the last ten years to sort of a rive at that really happy destination where I'm at now and looking forward to moving into a more mature rotting Lafayette through my thirties. Yes. Never ever counted. On on making dude at all. Fucking all men a NIST what I would live this fucking long. Let alone shit. I kept support from people in any way. I'm so sorry like count fucking white for what's next. That's that's fucking. That's the key. And it's all it's to me. It's all fucking doable. File your or on? I'm fucking doing. It didn't care if I fucking file let's sheet about fucking filing. That's takes fucking go to jail and fucking. How somebody looks turning you off whole shit like that to make sure you don't smuggling drugs in it takes a lot of ego away from me. Turns you into it makes you appreciate the worst possible things because it's not you know, what I mean like it's not fucking getting treated like an animal and all that shit. Very. Very poignant annoying horrific things happen to you in your day-today lawf- that you just fucking frustrating that it just like. Fine too. So perfect, you know, enjoyable compared to how some people have like suddenly constantly fucking Kenya's in that place. Man, fuck that shit dipped my toe in fucking pool and got to decide whether or not to jump in. And I didn't jumping fucking knock on new that ever again. You know what I mean? Dan, appreciate every fucking day. It's not anything that because is causing you fucking getting you know, what I mean giving and get out of the sokoll than ever going to get out of the fucking the whole thing. I'll just love Shipman on love it. Now look forward to it. And I'll just fuck fuck bring it on the more shit. You can I don't care what the fuck. It is goodwill bad fucking Brima white because I'll fucking do with it. I love this shit. Well, Matt and myself included, I guess like we have. Starved that you have your outs of the other side of but of the sort of stuff, and you found your at a point where you just stand up and say, I love this shit. I'm doing what I'm doing. And we couldn't be more stoked that you came on here with us. And also that you're doing it and you'll having fun, and we enjoy we enjoy seeing you stuck and you digging jobs do anything, and it's the fucking best man and a low, I guess probably, and I was probably almost to sort of start wrapping this this whole thing up. I mean, you get onto my kid and be up for working for L. Yeah. That's. We got plenty. Shit far. We could talk about my, mama. She's that's can I'm kidding. Thanks so much. Do you want to kind of just shout out to give thanks to in your BMX sort of journey. I mean. Yeah. Absolutely. Obviously, obviously, I like sleeve is just the greatest confidante friend of mine. Yeah. We've been through thick and thin together. And he knows probably more about me than. No about myself. I guess at times, you know, like he's such a dude. And he's he's opened so many doors for me and created so many connections for me in terms of that like, you know, professional level of fame x whatever the fuck that world of sponsorship and all that shit. He he's he took care of a lot of those connections for me and showed me a lotta shit. Christmas told me how to fuck dig jumps cousins machen Raja they taught me what a box you look like from a young age. You know, how these things should be set up the block, they look tough. What is it about the tough and shit like that? Yeah. Christmas teach me how to fucking dig had a rod noon showing me how to how to fucking jumps how to be strict and how to be unapologetic about it. The godfather trials Australia. Probably exactly and earning. The fact like Sundays. When that was happening in the fucking light on his man lock that was a time when those fucking like those a fucking hard time to be alive because there's a lot of angst like a lot of teenage angst and all that kind of shitting. Nobody was fucking connected via the internet. Nobody was sharing any stories kids will get fucking bullied and all that type of shit, and he was like so fucking down the line with he was just absolutely region in the white that he behaved with decay that he took in in overlooking the jumps shit like that. And like that level of strictness and that approach is fucking. I've never had followed. By the way, said Glen Ulan is almost like a dad nets. He's probably the most positive mile role model off at any kind of young Joe pretty strict on himself. You know, that was the closest ever had to to, you know, seeing a man doing the right thing, I suppose in fucking love only like there's no fucking white. Glenn knows that. But yeah, I that's a lot of those. Obviously you guys obviously met homes in Utah. Taking me on it. The shopping fucking. You gave me those still have those wheels. You gave me built me up fucking nearly ten years ago now. This still not it's not quite that long. But it's six and a half seven years or something like that long fucking time, you homes man, like you run pictures of me in the magazine, you let me write a column for the magazine. And I and I've can talk Lee LG edit my shit. Edit or don't run it did. So thank you in that fucking believe. Fucking believe being coffee that I would say that to you. But yeah, thank you for being. So understanding of I guess, the the cockiness brashness probably have to have to try and push out of the Blue Mountains and into into pretty establish seen understand coming from as well and. Yeah, fully man. Like, it's same shit you in for you. What's gonna be about him and John Young massively like? One thing. I want want a definitely want to say about like videos, particularly like early how early Halloween James and stuff like that. And locked on interviews and all that type of shit is like I was just as much of a fucking doofus as if on like in every fucking regard, right? Like in every way, just as much of a fuck indicate. John edited things to make me look like some kind of like I got the upper hand somehow, mentally or whatever the fuck it was in. You know, the way the Joan has put me into his videos throughout the years has been so incredibly flattering, and and somehow beautiful conned of manipulation of the truth. Let's. That it's like it's like not got me kicked off teams and fucking. Ostracized from from the BMX community. And you know, my behavior very well could have and, you know, currently is like this still people that fucking heightened you for shit that I did years ago that I've apologize for fucking thousand times that, you know, through their need of retribution or something like that. They can't like all of it. And that's okay. I apologize to those people's well, but yeah, thanks so much to to Joan always painting me up in in such a positive lot really really something that like I don't mean to do anything in. Yeah. You've always been so kind to me with the camera and editing. And so I appreciate that massively. Because you you've the person has ever shown any myself to the world or anything or the internet or anything like that? And you've toned in the way that you did that said, thank you very, much and. Thank you again for having me on here. It's been a pleasure anytime. I really really hope you can come up to the jumps sometime rawdon. I'll get a flatland patched on Doug at for your case attempts kidding. Or not. No, you're not. Brad. Did it? Thank you.

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Episode 19 - Cake, Billy Madison and Trades

The Spivey Special Podcast

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Episode 19 - Cake, Billy Madison and Trades

"This week on the SPIVEY special podcast. We'll be talking about cake Billy Madison and the NBA Trade Deadline Welcome to episode nineteen of the Spivey. Special podcast troy the week. Yes crazy started off with the super bowl which was a good game. We both got the right team to win. Finally we get some teams. We pick yeah. Everyone listens like sports. Jog All right. Let's just bet the opposite but we'll talk about that more later in sports jog and we're pretty fun week. We also did our first guest spot on another podcast this week which was Super Fun that we had a blast is really fun. Working there with the character. Combine podcasts. Great to work with James over there. I think it's is Josh. I don't know you're the expert on the name. No had a super good time they've got a much fancier setup than we do. Yeah they have a power AIDS. Cut a coffee. I think there was grapes. I don't no neither of US aid them. But good little you know show out. There was a lack of Burnett's watermelon vodka though Dan Mountain dew. It's kind of bogus. Should have nowhere coming. We had the t shirts on. You put two big guys as your guest. Stars have grapes in a colander. Come on man who watches grapes. Think you're supposed to. I don't I don't eat grapes. Yeah it's weird the fruit. I heard we don't do that here. Trying to get into it. Why not we have a fun. One ondeck three of our favorite things today. I'm very excited about all three topics today. Yeah there's a lot of people are going to be jacked about our first one. All right. We're GONNA take a quick break and come back with fuqua files rise. It's time for the food court files this week for food court files. We're we've got another healthy one. Try WE'RE GONNA be talking about cake. I think what they say is cake. It's what's for dinner. I'm not sure I don't think that's right. I I like cake. I love cake has got to be one of the best foods that exists in the world. I think the thing about Kagan most desserts as I just ate all I could eat now. Let's eat more. I'd love dessert. I love an extra meal whether it be fourth meal like Taco Bell or dessert. I just love eating more than thirty eight. I think the thing that's good about cake. Is You got the cake? And then you just GonNa flop all sorts of frosting and toppings on. Oh Yeah and if you have cake you're going to get ice cream. So you're not only get one two desserts That's what I'm talking about. Archer let's talk about some of these types of cake now. I think some of these ones. We started making a list of all the ones that we can find and some of them. I don't know that I'll classify them as a cake but will kind of discuss that as we go First one this is my personal favourite and that's angel food cake now. Angel Food Cake. The best thing about age of cake. It's cheap. It's easy to make its roof fluffy soft. It's light and it's just simple. You could make an angel food cake throw a little chocolate frosting on it and boom stickhandling birthday time. Yep also soak up the juice from your ice cream so if you've got like vanilla ice cream or whatever it's going to soak it up and it's going to take on that flavor as well. I would never go rhino rocky road. I don't think you're GONNA be sucking up marshmallows and whatever else is in rocky road ice cream. Yeah that's what do you love Angel? Kick into food cake when we do birthdays. That's the one I was picked for myself now. The next one. This is our first borderline. Is this cake but also one of my personal favorites and that's cheesecake now cheesecake for me. Delicious let's not get it wrong but to me. I think it's more in the pie family than the cake family. I mean just because you put cake gun. Something doesn't mean it's actually a cake to me. I mean it's delicious. The thing that the cheesecake though is it's a little too sweet to eat a lot of you're not going to eat more than one or two. Maybe you but like normal. People AREN'T GONNA eat more than one or two piece of cheesecake. I'm e all cheesecakes. I mean that's what's good about having a cheesecake though feeds more than just a normal cake. It's the most filling of the case by far but so good. And there's so many different varieties of that's the best thing about cheesecake you can do. There's an entire restaurant dedicated to it. It's actually a factory. Yeah I think Mozzarella factory to get enough cheesecake for people that are committing dance Mozzarella Cheddar Parmesan all the best cheeses put in your traveled cheesecake. I need it you. Would you look like a cake? I don't even know about me ice cream cake now. You just go. Invest both worlds right there. My feeling on ice cream cake is not really getting a lot of cake on the outside. You're not going to be super fluffy with ice cream in the middle because it's going to harden because you've got to keep that ice cream real cold but the thing about an ice cream cake is doesn't matter how bad your party is. If you bring an ice cream cake out it can just save everything. It's like a life boat. You don't get the softness of the cake but what does it matter? You've got ice cream cake filled with ice cream so Jackpot Jack Jack. It's a top Tier K. Definitely the ice cream cake. It's a very. It's way more expensive than your normal cakes though especially like a small ice cream cake is expensive. Especially if you're GONNA go to like a big like baskin robbins like cold stone like eighty five dollars for five bytes cake and you gotTa Scoop Ice Cream in it yourself. I don't think that's stones I Next one German chocolate cake. This is Keith barracks favorite type of cake. Now this is going to be more. You haven't had too much German chocolate. But you know preaching to the choir and tell me why should so this is a coconut and it's specifically. German chocolate cake not just chocolate cake. It's got A. It's like a richer chocolate. That goes along with it if you make it without the German chocolate. It just doesn't have the same flavor profile. They don't they don't Mesh Right. Not My faith. I'm not a big coconut guy. No you had to put the lime in the coconut with the lime in the coconut. Exactly I think that's what's Miss Him. But I know a lot of people that like that one. I just don't think I've had it too many times. You'll be a judge on that one and you're trying to big Germany guy in general no not since two. Never find those spiky helmet. They will cool all right Bundt cake now. Nothing Bundt cakes that place. It is just gonNA. It's one of those things like you're GONNA put your hands above your head and try to raise the roof. When a bunk eight comes to town it is a game. Changer has very good moisture. It's soft a lot like an angel food cake. It's sweet and also it's good. It is good yes now. What nothing bundt cakes which is a? I love a good pun name. You know that you do and then they're frosting it's like a cheat it's like a cream cheese frosting that one really pairs well with the red light butter. I don't know what's in it but it's fantastic. Yeah they do a really good job there on. They usually donate to our golf tournament and think the first year mom want him but we ended up beating them. They're red velvet cake. Unbelievable so good out of this world my favorite red velvet cake of any of the red velvet cakes. Yeah that's top Tier Red Velvet Yup. All right next one Texas cake now Texas kick is good again Kinda like cheesecake in a way that it's too little sweet. You're not gonNA eat a whole sheet of Texas cake and also the Texas cake is more in the Brownie family. I would say with the shape and just how you usually cut it. It's a more of a Brownie than agree it e- even though that it has cake in the name that doesn't make cake. No no just like a panda bears technically in the raccoon family. It's not really a bear. That's our fun fact day. You like that the day like that a lot you want. Fairfax came to the right podcast cupcakes. Now I what are your thoughts on. Cupcake. I Love Them. You know I mean they're messy. You know it's kind of hard to get the first bite of a cupcakes. The but I'M GONNA go out on a limb and say they're not a cake. I'm going to put them in the Muffin family. Muffin family. Okay now have you taken like the bottom half of cupcake and put it back on. Top made a cookie sandwich. Yeah this is an amateur hour here. Okay now you're aware of this. Yeah but I mean if you're trying to be polite. I don't think that's the polite thing to do and to make a cupcake sandwich. I just grab a second cupcake. Flip it on top of the other cupcake and make a giant cupcakes. Launch your size ability. I don't think anyone would judge that. Move now what. You think about mini cupcakes. Stupid just like a mini muffin. Why don't eat ten of them? What's the what's the Kevin? Cova me office many cupcakes. That's already a smaller version of the cupcake. Which is a smaller version of the kick? Where does it end with you? People a man cutting corners all right carrot cake now. Carrot CAKE isn't terrible but if I had to choose all the cakes. I don't think there's very many cakes with vegetables in the name that I'm GonNA choose like Broccoli. Kick Zucchini Cake Lou. I'm probably had Zucchini cake accidentally. That sounds like something Sarah would make snug it in there but I think the best thing about carrot cake is it really does help your vision. In fact number two yeah lenscrafters dot COM old wives tale. That character. Help help your vision. It was a propaganda by England because they invented radar and could see planes coming Does and they said everyone was eating carrots to help them. See the plane. So they wouldn't find out ahead radar I like that too man. This prompted we learned today drinking coffee before these shows more often than Steph's by specials. Facts are a lot less fun. Yeah but we have more fun. It's true the next one's going to kind of lump them together. Because I really can't tell the difference between these ones shortcake pound cake sponge cake. I usually pass on all of those usually those are. I mean I'll eat them like strawberries or whatever on them with the freemen. Not My favorite. Yeah Kinda Kinda plane. There's better ones now lemon cake now. Lemon cake them on mix bomb. It's very good very good but again if it's not done right the lemon can really overtake the cake in the end. That's a fruit lemon. That's act barely fruit. Now that's true but let me take his good but again i. It's not top tier for me. I know you really like it. I like makes me think it's healthy? 'cause it's cake citrus. Yet says Cake Day. Food now pineapple upside down cake that's the fanciest of any of the titles of cakes. I don't know that I've had one. I don't think I that's spongebob type thing. It's only under the sea. Yeah we'll mermaid rum cake now. You can tell the story of Your mother-in-law May it wasn't rum cake. Oh it was the next one. The next one down but room cake is good. It's not again a top tier cake. Tirumala sue okay. Now you can tell the store okay. So we had terrorists do blindly. Heather's mom made it for us and she put approximately all of the booze into it all. It'd be like a little bit for flavoring that had from wasn't I don't know I it was like the recipe for teaspoon and she put it in like a bottle fifth and I think Western got drunk on cake. That was the first time we ever got drunk. I don't think he's ever been a hammer in his life and all he did was take a bite of cake that was probably got a Dui after that gig probably have you been drinking now. I had GIG. Give it a slice fruitcake pass. Yeah just look at the name. And it's like Jim Gaffes skittles fruitcake. Got Now passable. Go Pass on all right. I think that's all the types for the most part now. We might have been missing a few if we have you. It is up on social media for them on purpose. If they're not there or we overlook them which is probably happened to happens to troy. Which one are you more excited for a wedding cake or birthday? Now it really just depends on the size of each if you have a large wedding or large birthday party usually not going to get a top tier cake. You're going to go more of a sheet cake and the sheet cakes they're usually I mean very good frosting coverage but they're just the cake itself is Kinda lower tier so if you're at a smaller wedding or birthday you're going to get around or cake and those are cakes are usually the better so a birthday. You're going to probably get better cake and I'm more excited at a birthday than I am. A wedding mammy too. I'm more excited about the other food or dancing or whatever at the wedding and usually the cakes are more pretty than ice tea for show. What do you think about funded on a cake? Which is normally you're GONNA see on a wedding cake or somebody like once a cake. That looks like baby yoga or something. That's what you're GONNA see fond down if you've ever had to clean up at a party with funded on a cake. It's still going to be on the plates for the most part when you're cleaning up yet it's there for show doesn't taste good in. It's it's a waste so if you're making a cake and you WANNA put funded on it. Just don't do that. It's just kind of bland just that they're not going to get a lot of taste of. Nelson's put spackle on this case it's weird texture. Yeah most paper mcshea kick already paper machine. It's probably pretty good. Mummies do all right so you kind of touched it at all ready now. Rectangle versus circle. Your Perot Circle always been a pro circle. Type Cake Guy. I just think you're GONNA get it's hard to explain a circle cake willing to get frosting onto your five sides so I think that's better but if you're going to get. I don't know if that math is working. Now you're GonNa have a coroner that's three saying if you're GONNA do a rectangle cake you could get a corner but if we go we got three sides frosting if we go through the cakes most of the cakes that we're like yeah. We really liked that their circle the only one. That's not is probably going to be an ice cream cake. That could be bigger party Has Like A? You're not you'RE NOT GONNA get down rectangle angel food cake though because that wouldn't be angel food cake. That's what I'm saying. You gotta go circle now for the for the cake math. Are you better at circle or rectangle as far as digging it up among people I should never be in charge of cutting anything because it's like? Oh here's one. You shouldn't be holding a knife. Here's your sliver. Here's your sliver. I'll take the rest of our. There's nothing better than a huge piece of cake to end the night. Yeah when you're the gotTa go last if they're handing out birthday cake or you just you take the risks though like if it's a bigger party where you just don't get a piece of cake no chance that everyone else passed and then you get like a fourth of a kick. You have to really be scouting. The people that are walking around handing the pieces out in judging the sizes. If you see a large you just gotta go for it. So you just like asking people if they're une diets just to try to do the do count in your head. Yeah well you just know their kid looks like he's pretty. Sleepy should probably go to bed before desert. Right one of those. Yeah Kid I'll take a piece of cake now. How were you fit on pancakes? Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan. That's where I fall. That's only opinion that I have. I don't know if that's really is to put. The pancake is considering cake. No PANCAKES AREN'T CAKES. Has in the title cakes hotcakes. That's the same is a pancake. No it's not that's a that's a waffle it's a flat waffle I was just awful. I was just curious how you fell on their now. Cakes are only for dessert cake for dessert. I'm seeing whatever just in case buddy. Pride Cape With Syrup isn't good for dessert. Okay in July for my birth thing giant pancakes syrup GonNa. I haven't gone as we got on cake. I think so you know. I'm kind of getting a little hungry. Whose birthday cake almost westerns birthday. Should we get him to make him a cake pans? Don't give it to him. Pancake thing. Well we could just celebrate his birthday without him. That's what I'm saying. I say we make the cake. Take one little taste of it. It'd be like Pam Pan Situation released from the whole thing before he realized what was going on a week from today will be his birthday. We'll be doing a podcast. More than likely in his honor will eat. Cake will invite him on the show. Oh pass this is a flute. He doesn't play the flute cake. We'll take a quick break and comeback with remember that thing. Do you like the sweet taste amount do. Do you like your vodka to both inexpensive and flavored. Like melons. Beverage for you. From the minds of the host of the wildly popular podcast that shares. Its name we bring you the Spivey special one part mountain dew three to four parts. Burnett's watermelon vodka. One Hundred Percent Fun. Drink one at your next party or at three. Am playing Halo Three. Please enjoy responsible. Hey remember that thing. The Moon Landing Jazz trapper keepers manners. South Sunny D. Yeah I remember those things and this week for remember that thing. We're talking about a cinematic masterpiece. Oh Billy Madison. The medicine came out twenty five years ago tomorrow which we did too early on accident. So the release date was February tenth. Nineteen ninety five if you jump on. It has a rating of six point. Four out of ten. Whoa now the metacritic score. It was a sixteen out of one hundred. That's about right if you're going to be a movie critic and you're going to be writing Billy Madison. It's not going to be high score. You just have bad judgment. You shouldn't be a credit. They just don't understand how funny this is classic. Yeah all right. Movie cost ten million dollars to make they made twenty seven million dollars in the box office and it probably sold a billion. Dvd's I think easily everyone's seen this movie so good so quotable. Somebody good scenes that little plot all right so if you have not seen Billy Madison Billy Madison is the twenty seven year. Old Son of Brian Madison. A very rich man who has made living in the hotel industry. Billy stands to inherited father's empire but only if he can make it through all twelve grades two weeks per grade to prove that he has what it takes to run the family. Business Back to school back to school to prove daddy's not a fool Get how this this movie's just so good. It's just like it's eighty nine minutes of just ridiculous jokes that don't make any sense. There's just so many good scenes so many good quotes that if you've ever hung out. Mir's act we quote this movie much more than we remember because when we went through and watch it again. It's like wow. We've said like ten of these this week easy so we're going to start out with our favorite scenes from the movie. I think one of my favorite is the flaming bag of DOC poop. Basically sets the tone for the level of comedy movie no dope booted out with your boots dead no Biz. The woman is so good. They're just so into it he they think it's so funny. I don't understand how the old man doesn't see them behind the bush. There's three grown men sending that a little tiny Bush hammered. You know often as is coming out. And they've done it a million times. I don't love the scene where they played dodgeball. Now now you're all in big trouble. He just pelts those kids. That dodgeball remind we have a little trivia on that too. Yeah so when they actually film that they had to get parental super Approval from the parents. Because he was just GonNa throw the ball as hard as you could at the kids and they all approved. Yeah and one of I. I heard a story that one of the DADS said she hit him in the face. 'cause it's funnier ridiculously. Hit Him in the face classic. That's a really good thing. He gets knocked out the first game. Then he runs into Miss Libyan Weirdo flipping. Go back to raise. That's our first run in with. Oh Doyle to Doyle rules I don't I don't know I feel about the outdoor rules now a lot but it does happen throughout the movie now. The spelling bee another classic. Are you going to the mall today? Keep spelling but stir he just just. I'm the smartest man alive after spelled couch. Twenty seven years ago or eight. Sita struggle in first second and third grade and then he just figures that out because they were the furthest back. I guess maybe going back to school. You just have a hard time transitioning back into it. That's what it was but every day of recess and sack lunches. Yeah it's a lot of pressure to make snowmen out of cotton ball really is all right. The opening scene of this movie. It just puts me in a good mood every time I watch. I'm ready to. I'm just ready to buckle in and devote eighty nine minutes to watch this thing through she avenue bid differently. I liked actual opening when he asks. What's what's Today. And he goes October. I liked that but the penguins. I don't get the penguin part of it. I think they could've took that out. I understand why they did it. I just it just. It's not a humor thing to me that the penguin the rules for this world that we're in don't make any sense at all like he sees this Penguin Chris. Farley sees the penguin as well we find out later in the movie he can hear the music. That's playing in the background during some scenes in other scenes like what he's dancing on the stairs she's like what there's some definitely some things like. This is a really good movie with a really good plot. But there's some things you just like. I don't think that's real. Oh yeah this whole movies ridiculous. I just love the funny if we did this. And then just like all right. Let's loosely based some scenes together to make some sort of movie. Oh and then when the penguins in Bronx Kvant soured rubbed the penguin right now. The argument between Billy and one of the kids. Yeah this would have been fourth grade second grade third grade. Yeah one of the kids. But their argument lunch mortal combat is the best video game all time donkey. Kong's what's funny. That is the girl that plays Veronica in this movie. Pete Sampras wife she actually was in the mortal kombat movie really. Yeah was that fun fact. After she was obviously it was after this movie for that Veronica so any seen on the school bus or with Chris Farley in. This movie is hilarious. We'll talk about it later. But Chris Farley just absolute lead dominates this rowing the sandwich at the bus driver. No Yellen on the buzz. Billy Madison sexually assaulting his third grade teacher in meeting hit should lose a salt brother. Definitely like any of the school bus scenes. Oh and then. When he's doing trivia with Chris Farley that is such a quotable we'll get into quotes here in a minute because you're going to pick one here in a minute. I got a couple more scenes along with the school bus. When Chris Farley Norm McDonald and frank steal all the bag lunches somehow McDonald and franker on the school bus trail? I wouldn't be there. They're not on the bus. You could see the scene. Yeah they probably would just were there at whatever the middle storage area under the bus or something. They probably would just at the place where the field drove themselves. They're just hanging out with miles Davis. Yeah there's thirty school lunches Damn Ceska academic decathlon. Which have some questions about like? They're supposed to be doing like everything you learned in high school and like the only one that has to do anything with like reading or school or anything is the actual quiz at the end. What about when he pulls the boot out? He shouldn't have won that. No he really got passed on that one. Eric did something to create some sort of rock in the liquid nitrogen pulls out. He pulled his shoe because he's only wearing one shoe in the same boot and clap for him and he wins up. Eric's the better actor. But he has when they when they read Shakespeare and basis points. Let's just say. I think that the judges were on. Billy side yeah. I think he think it was like a paid them off. It's like the donation to the school in order to set it. Up of our kicked. Another is can felt like a movie to me. You don't think this wasn't based on fact might have been based on a true story. I didn't really read the credits. Well there's enough Madison hotels that there there's more Madison hotels from what they say in the movie. Then there are Hiltons or Ramadas or like any other hotel. Like six hundred seventy s what he says under the saints which would be the biggest hotel in the world. It would that we've never heard of all right try. Let's get into these quotes because this is probably it might be the most quotable movie of all time. Oh without a doubt. Maybe MAYBE ANCHORMAN. Or DUMB. And dumber dumb and dumber. There's a couple but this one in particular for us maybe not other people. Some people will quote like hamlet or Casablanca. Yeah we do that. We quote Billy Madison Archer. We're GonNa read through some of these and I need you to pick which one you think is the funniest and I need. I need you to pick the one that you use the most on a regular basis. Okay well there's a lot of so you gotta go all the way through them before I pay chlorophyll more like Bora fil quote from that. Same Scene No. I will not make out with you. You got chlorophyll guys. God knows what. How many times in high school did one of the kids yelled at him on your classes? Oh if you count me especially like science at least a couple of times a year. We had the we kid in my high school class. It probably said it twelve times in one semester so good and it was Everytime time you do don't put it out with boots. Ted Jordan Thomas Special. Yeah you would say that all the time as well as GAC bat. Those are two George Thomas Specials parts. Probably the one that I say the most. It's my most used them on my phone to send somebody for a while. There was the most I used. Jackpot move. We'll keep going though. Keep read to save that one all the time no yelling on the bus. Good Grand Green Wonderful Chris Farley Yep around like a van I dare you to throw your sandwich to the bus driver. So good of all things third or fourth grade kids like Billy Sandwich. It being a pants cool. Consider Me Miles Davis to. That's a good one. I think that's a history line too. Because you gotta go back figure out. Who Miles Davis's well? She's an old lady that I know but for like people watching this movie Western those who miles Davis's probably pieces pants to without a doubt he was negative. One Yeah was predeceased goes Oh yeah. That's right That's quick tastic. That wack dad's that's a good one. I'd say that one all the time anything. There's intimidation anything duck related. I don't use that one's much or if I need to say the word fantastic it's GonNa be quick tastic most of the time now. You're all in big big trouble. That's a good one catches the dodgeball Boston's so hot. Want to touch the hiding. That's a good one where he talked about. No I will not make out with you. So just he just had a nowhere yet. It's one of those things like if you like in real life. I think I've said it a couple of times. It's just so funny like everyone around just like what word that come from. Same person in that science class in high school Same same thing same joke. He just yellow. One movie teacher wouldn't be looking but we know who was. Stop Looking at me Swan. That's a good one. That's an early one though. Yeah that's like one of their releasing the movie that one. I only use very often because we don't have a faucet looks like a swan. Yeah my big fit that one in. Yeah you gotTa be good unless there's a swan then you yell at this one. Yeah I realize I'm under utilizing that quote. Yeah you don't see a lot of swans. I'm sure I'M GONNA go out of my way to find a sponsor yell at October Nudie magazine. If anyone asked me what day it is. I always say October me to without him. So don't ask me that question if you don't WanNa fake answer man. I'm glad I called back. Go such a good time such a good line. It's such a good scene. He just says sorry to the kiddy bully and Steve Show just shows up with his rifle and shoots aircon the but he's going to be a soccer player. I've probably a couple times. You inferring that I'm pregnant. Yeah Yeah you've done that like fifteen hundred times tonight that's That's a good one. Yeah it's too damn hot for pigmented. Just be walking around anytime anytime. It's hot it's either that or it's milk was a bad choice. Those are to go to. I'm more of a milk was a bad choice. Yeah Jackpot. We already covered inject shut up onto. That's a good one. That is correct. I would say that most used and my favorite line is that one. Yeah it's Chris. Farley's taken off. His SHIRT GETS THE QUESTION RIGHT. That is correct then. Just tosses hair nails so good. I think yeah I think those are all. There's a couple more that are on here but I think those are those are your main ones. I think jackpots by most used one. I think my favorite quote is I like. Don't put it out with your boots dead. I think October is my favorite. Yeah but that is correct as mine. Yeah I just love the way. Mcdonalds is the October and that from him guessing October he knew at Adam. Sandler just knew that it was Nudie magazine day. Best supporting cast. Now I'm GonNa give you four choices you need to pick. I mean you've already talked about how much she loved Moretti but Chris Farley unaccredited as the bus driver fantastic. Favourite Norm McDonald has some great lines in this one. He does a really good job he it was a really good guy that just hang out all the time. Yeah really good. I'm going to go put some beer in a bucket. Basically Stephen Shemi. He's in the movie for was like three lines. The thing with him is eat. Kinda plays the same character a lot. Just the creepy while he was supposed to have gone to high school with Adam Sandler according to the movie. But he's twelve years older than Adam. Sandler. Don't have to worry about that movie. Yeah I guess there's Penguins Center walking or Veronica TNC. She was more of a star whence she's a supporting hearn atom or the two. I think biggest of the movie okay. So it's Chris Farley. Oh with me. You could name a thousand people for as far as my one of my favorite comedians of all time. Is this your favorite Chris Farley Role? No Tommy Boy. Tommy boy is good blend with your being the he just kills it in this movie. He's so good so talented. Who's the war sector in this moving? Frank Yeah Francs. Pretty bad another quote. We miss a stole the shirt from Frank. Let's shirt right now if you could recast frank. Sincere wars actor. Who would you get to do it now? There was a rumor that it was originally written for David Spade. I could see that. I can't see David speed being the drunk friend. That's just sitting there though. No I know he probably was super young by the Jack. Black would have been good. He's about the right age to he would have been good twenty-seven-year-old Jack Black that would be good. I had a thought that I thought that Paulie shore would have been a good frank. He would have fit the role really well like really Super Limited. You can't give them a lot of lines like frame. Yeah just like just enough. Paulie shore like in a goofy movie. Replace that leading tower of cheese Just just enough not a full movie now. One of the other supporting castes that we forgot the principal. How do you feel about principle Anderson? I thought he did for his role. I thought he did a really good job. I like saw the scenes. Some of the more he does the Valentine hilarious comic. The whole wrestling subplot. I don't I don't get it. Yeah you really ruin a really good movie with that random Blob near the revolting blob. Thing I didn't I didn't understand that now if you could take a scene out of the movie. Which one could you do without like I talked about earlier? The penguin doesn't make much sense to me doesn't make sense what makes sense still funny. I just don't really like the Penguin. I like it when he chases the penguin and then tries to grab it falls into when they first meet. Yeah see I didn't care I could have done. I think. In the seamer Chris. Farley makes the Penguin O and I just think they could have done better with him being hammered than chasing a win. I just thought that just really didn't give it the eight plus effort like they should all right. That's fair scene. I could do without is when Eric's talking to himself basically about how he needs to destroy Billy Madison. But he has that mouse with them or the hamster. Whatever it is Why what you're the. Vp of the biggest hotel chain in the history of the world. And you have a hamster on your desk and they find another way for him to talk to himself like a snake. We'll just talk to yourself enough to be talking to a hamster almost like a snake would be more fitting than a hamster for sure. Now if you could add is seen to the movie. What would you do? That's a tough one so you took the penguin scenes and now we've got like just a six minutes to fill eighty nine minutes. I think he could have just done more havoc drunk. That was fun like somehow busts his tent that he moved later in the where he goes and lives out L. He like just blow that up or something. I think we need another scene with Veronica. And and Billy 'cause we go straight from the scene where they call her on the phone and she says that the third grade kids more of an adult than billy. I'll show you a grown up. Yeah so we go from that scene to the field trip. And then he likes sexually assaults her and then they're like walking side by side and shouting and then they're like he rubbed he does the P. thing and then they're dating. Oh it just showed what kind of guy he was that he would. Pee Fake His pants for his buddy give it. They went straight from sexual assault to them like friendly chatting but like she hates him. But you have to a nuisance more. You have to remember this year on the bus. When he actually fake filter up she goes kind of in a playful voice. Why don't you go sit back in your seat? I doubled area Kinda flirty. It's that might have been the start of the relationship. She's just super into grabbing her boobs. I yes sir type. She just liked the immature nature of him like trying to be cool with the kids that she's been teaching. I think we need one more scene set that up I need. I need a better transition. Needs to be like one extra scene. Okay I'll let you have. I don't get it. It doesn't make sense all right. Best Song best use of a song to be one of all tumble for you. When he's dancing on this stuff you just don't see it coming. No it is so good. It's just like a transition song to the next scene and he just like looks around and he the music and just goes and he just goes for it. Why also like It's like a thirty forty five second scene of him dancing. I like when he also when he calls Steve Shimmy. Oh yeah was that yellow. Yeah telephone line will. That's good. I like the song I just like. So they have the clown that falls over and then he's like bleeding from his mouth. I the only the whole song with the kids and their entered. The only the only part of that song that I like is when the the cloud wakes up. Don't I have a nice rack Yeah that's yeah. That's a good song. He their kids that you thought was dead. That's classic. I laugh every single time that that clown backup city of the hemorrhage in his head. That's pretty good. We get to all of our Trivia. I think that's the only thing we have left. I think one of them was. Billy's Dad was the dad in Christmas story. Oh yeah just kind of a random fact that Owen that norm MacDonald was actually hammered in the scene where he was supposed to be Hammer. They just let them get drunk. Just do whatever good for marrying Pete Sampras so it was like wondering what happened to Veronica now. When do we know what year they Mary was after? Yeah it would have been after this because if you look at the credits. She's not whatever her name is Sampras like she has now got I think she did. Billy Madison in Mortal Kombat and then married Pete. Sampras just doesn't have to do anything anymore. Just have to pretend to like Billy Madison. So good all right. I think that's all we got on billy mouse. And it's one of my favorite movies so quotable so well LE- I mean most people. We like different kinds of movies. And let's just say it's not GonNa be on the Oscars tonight. No It's definitely a bad movie but it's just so funny. It's one of the movie. Just put on in the background and you just laugh at one of the things. You just laugh about the scene that you know that's coming up next now. That was in. The era of good am sandler movies though. That's the it's the first Adam Sandler moving down one. Where he's The star at least Daddy waterboy. Happy Gilmore become after this one but the ninety five and Gilmore's say that those are like his wheelhouse when he was his best not grownups. Thirteen at the end of the Billy Madison in the Weird Voice of I guess maybe waterboy. But he's like more of a bad ass all the movies Truly medicine he's just the butt of every joke in this one great. I love it. Can't believe within twenty years movie came out makes me feel really old. Yeah Really Oh yeah. I think that's all we offer. Remember that thing. We'll take a quick break and come back with sports chug sports job with the spivey brothers cubs or good get the ball big country generic soccer. Take all right. That's enough. I'm out of breath. All Right for sports jog we are GONNA recap the Super Bowl. I off which we talked about our prep on the live show when we both successfully predicted the winner. Yeah we're pretty close on guests in the actual score. Guess was thirty one twenty nine. I was twenty four sixteen so we were pretty close on it. You actually pick the MVP which the chiefs one that to the MVP. I thought the guy I chose Damien Williams played a really good game. He got that garbage rushing touchdown was kinda patted his stats but it normally. If you're running back you score receiving and a rushing touchdown with over one hundred yards rushing. You usually going to get the. Mvp mahomes didn't play super great to like the end of the game in a kind of had to let's be fair that third and ten where he threw up that passed that was in the air for seventy five seconds and still knowing came and knocked it down to tyreek Hill. Okay so I heard So Dan Orlovsky broke down. That play. Good smells had that take. And he's like first of all he called that play second of all. If you look at him he does like a fifteen yard drop because he knows he asked to set that play up and it works all the time and second of all he added throw it sixty yards in the air to get it to where it was while somebody was hitting him in the face and he has to throw it before tyreek makes his break for work. While I heard too I listened six. Eighty one of the niners did the wrong play. Didn't go to his part of the zone. Yeah because they had the the crossing route to Who Was Sammy? Watkins was right at the first down line. And you're like bullets. Got To be the guy so he drops back so it's just on the safety to guard the fastest dude in the NFL. Running straight at him looks like he's GonNa go to. It'd be the safeties left and then he just cuts. There's nothing you can do that. But I guess that play works all the time for him and my mom's called it and he made a ballsy sixty yard in the air. Throw to get it down there. The thing is I mean. That's the thing about the chiefs all years you can hold it down and then just one quarter punch in the gut listed so fast. It's crazy family loggins. She could he had a really good game. That was a huge pickup for them. Yeah he's been healthy for the first time in a long time so that's good for them. Big Shoutout to the big pickle thirty five on his team winning for the First Time. Fifty years pretty impressive. Yeah we're definitely happy for Ansi. Now he's Damian Williams vp. I think the Mahomes should win. Mvp Not for his play during the Super Bowl but first performance during the celebration parade in Kansas City. When I don't know if you saw this scene a fan throws him a beer from the stands he catches it cracks. It open drinks like stone. Cold Steve Austin and then throws it on the ground. It's a very common practice at the parade. But it was when you're starting quarterback with one that does it s classic. Another video. I saw he was up on one of those buses and he throws a like a football out to the crowd. And this guy goes running for just runs right into a parking meter. He just falls flat on the ground. So good one. Last thing that I saw a couple of things left think one last thing I saw Shannon Han last ten minutes of the two Super Bowls. Bidin forty six to nothing. He's been outscored in the last ten minutes of those two games. You both of these games that we're talking about this. The niners were averaging seven yards a carry six and a half seven yards with like the best run game ever. It was the same thing they was happening in the Patriots Super Bowl. It wasn't the passing game. They got in there. It was crazy outside. Run game where they're averaging like seven or eight yards a carry. Now we'RE GONNA THROW. It was second in five. We're going to put everything on. Garoppolo and make him make reeds to see who's open. Will I down you? Get five yards rushing interact with at least play action all three. If you'RE GONNA make him throw it. I mean I understand going for the win trying to get the first down. You don't want to give it back to mahomes but you're up to tin twenty to ten with like eight minutes left you just have to burn clock. You're up ten with what like five minutes left. Six and a half minutes left knows something like that and then they punted the ball. Just run three minutes of. Give your chances yourself a chance to win. Don't get defensive. It wasn't offensive. Pass interference at the end of the half kettle. Will they deserve not calling the time out after they stopped cost them forty seconds there but it? I mean by rule. You couldn't voted overturned it if it's definitely He extended the arm. Yeah I mean he's hand fighting if they didn't call it I wouldn't say you could overturn and say it was pass interference. It's one of those. I don't think it's their reason. They lost no definitely not the reason. I don't necessarily think it's even the refs that made him lose. No a lot of you know anytime you're team loses. You're looking for a reason to blame it on somebody else. But they honestly football's or spy gate or they played three and a half quarters. That's a yeah yet to play for. It was a good game. That was a little boring. The first three quarters you lead halftime show. Definitely you know. Two very skilled performers even at forty three and fifty years old. Yeah they they both look good. I think they were seeing that. I wasn't paying attention to that. Yeah I like the Little Tongue Lama thing will there was a mean they change it to Allama but I guess it's part of our culture. Yeah that means like happiness or something I think shaking her butt with J.lo's also part of their culture. I do too yeah die. Favorite part was watching twitter after the halftime show and just seeing all the random people like JEB. Bush was one of the ones. That was the best halftime. Show that I've ever seen awesome classic. There's a lot of people that were not as happy about it. All they need to deal with it you. You didn't expect them. That's basically their Goto. Yeah that's I don't I don't know I enjoyed it very good. Fantastic halftime show. I think that's all anything. That's one to bowl now let's get into the NFL football's over. I'm glad that the XFL is here to kind of hold us over until good first. Two draft decent football. They'll do yeah all right. What do you think about your team gets? Murky Bets I. I'm Kinda sad that that was the bomb during the NBA trade deadline. That was the biggest news that we got. Yeah think that I am excited for Mookie. Betts David Price. Now that we've got to really high paid old pitchers that are not good in the playoffs. That's exactly what we need. I don't know how much he's got left tank but when you get the probably top five player them I'll be for. Can Ada in Obamacare. Do go good but I mean I mean bets is better but is bets going to be good. When does know pitches? Komen frigging cheer. I can't wait to see him. Walk into the Club House for the first time. What does the dodgers love it? Hey man sorry about that but we knew exactly what you're throwing their Clayton. Oh I didn't even think about that. You just ruined the mookie Betts Trade for me love me such generic price to just running his mouth. No be you'll be interesting like our. Our lineup is absurd. Yeah I mean again. We have no relief. Pitching Kenley. Jansen is not the same but we've got kershaw David Price Walker bueller Alex Wood. That's not a terrible rotation you know on pay per again. The dodgers prog meet the best in the major league again. They're gonNA find a way to blow it my opinion someone's GonNa Cheat in we're GONNA lose again without a doubt and I hope it's the cubs. Wait till you find out about how the nationals cheated last year and then that's how we lost two. I honestly think just the dodgers blue that. Obviously it's not possible. They would never do that every year. Since nineteen eighty eight so good good so. Nba Trade deadline came and went. What SNOOZE FEST? Yes my favorite time of the year and they ruined it. Yeah I mean for US kings fans getting rid of deadman's contract that we just gave him the back to the team. He came from a salary dome so we can sign bogey. Yeah I mean they. They've played pretty good a salary dump out of a guy that didn't fit the team at all. So that's not the worst thing. What the Red Hot right now? They are the only five games I played. Maybe once they want like six eight or five six. Today they're six and two in the state hit nineteen threes. I against the Spurs. But that's not what we're talking about. The Clippers got better by getting Morris. The rockets got smaller. That smart would a weird trade so weird this some going this rockets owner where he's just like you need to just get under the luxury cap. Daryl Morey is like I guess what I guess who are going to get rid of. You told me I had to get Russell. Westbrook doesn't make technically save money over Chris. Paul but doesn't mean like yeah. Let's get rid of the only center on our team and now. Pj Tucker. You're the center. Guardian Davis Real quick. I mean at work. They ended up beating them that night. It's not gonNA work for seven game. Servers that team just doesn't make any sense. I feel like the owners like sabotaging Tarot Maury so they can get rid of them. Is it cost him a bunch of China money? But I think that's what it is. Conspiracy gotTa be like Your State Pat for now Book State Pad. They're probably GONNA sign some anger waiting in the buyout market. But I don't know that it's going to be what they thought it was. I think Lebron's leg just this way Tristan Thompson. He's GonNa get it by the cavs allegories. Yup Tristan dumps don't get about iggy the heat Kinda sexy. I guess so they had to give just winslow though I yeah I do too but like five years ago campionships pedigree man an MVP. And then the big one I think's going to be very interested in Wiggins to the Warriors House wiggins going to fit with. I mean it's not hard to fit with Curry Thompson and dream on dream on. I think it's a better fit declawed. Didn't really have a spot that lineup. He was always trade chip the managed. They managed to like all right. Durant'S GONNA leave. I guess we can just let them leave and use the salary or oldest goes grabbing all star a sign in trade and we'll use them as a trade chip yeah. I think they're gonNA get obviously really package it with the crazy hide. Two first round draft picks that we have this year. Because the team sucks. Yeah Curry Gut. Mysteriously injured guys hitting it from the hid it from the logo. Just sort of some sort of weird plot by them. Yeah so I mean. Sports is going to be a little boring until baseball starts but then we boring during baseball until October. I Love Baseball. I like NBA playoffs. That's the next thing excited for all right. We're the NFL draft think. That's it for sports. Yeah take a break more. GonNa come back with. Ask US by. You've got questions. We've got man boobs directly from our listeners. We bring you ask a spivey for ASCA spivey We'RE GONNA run back one of the questions from our live show that I realized that we didn't answer when I went back and listen to the episode so the question came from Stephanie Chambers. What is the most random fact that you know? There's a lot of random facts that I know but the one that comes to mind the most is your ears never stopped growing. And that's just kind of like that is fun fact. You'd think they would. Do you think your head stops. Grown does not get the bump and you had a big old. Yeah I'm my most random fact is that you sneeze faster than a cheetah can run. That is good so if you're ever trying to escape a Cheetah Sneeze. They need to win a race for the Cheetah. A cheated could eat. You know pretty big dude but I think they can take down like bison they have like no stamina Caesar's like if you avoid it enough times yeah eventually get you're going to avoid a cheetah you're going to be like give me some cheetos mini hit like a bear. I don't think that's accurate. Luckily I don't live in Africa so now to worry about battling Jesus you never know they say. Lincoln does though it's true. I might have to fight off. Chester Cheetah at one point. I doubt he'd probably take me to probably all right. Next question comes from John Tomlinson. I think this is the second time we've had a question from John. If you could befriend any animal what would it be? And what would you do with them? If I could choose any animal probably a wolf and I don't know I'd probably like raise man cub or go to Minnesota. I don't know what I would do with my wolf but I think whatever we did it would be fun. I just think a wolf is a good protector. Like good with packs. So you'd always be protected me because he's a wolf. I like it. I broke my answer into to like a real life animal. I think it'd be a kangaroo like a really big kangaroo 'cause I wanNA ride around in Kangaroo Pouch. That's a really big grew. I also want to organize some sort of boxing match be the manager for Kangaroo. That'd be activity that I would do with said kangaroo. I think you probably get in trouble for that. I think if we did Australia fine. There's no rules there. That's true land of many trees. That's not right. That's says on the Columbia to pick a non-real annual he would be Yogi bear and we steal picnic baskets all day long. I think you would just probably have him still picnic baskets and you just help them empty him he just have to keep taking them. Because I'd be eating everything inside the picnic baskets. Yeah I'd be like wasn't there. Jelly sandwiches picked up. No no man. It was empty one. Come on Bro. See if you can find wasn't funny and now functions. I'm not a big funding guy. I had a helper this year for the holidays. Jesse like help you read and stuff she. This year she was eating funds. I'm like I just have never been fun in person. It's a sidebar sidebar. Kinda reminds us what we did this week. What do we do this week? We're guest star. Oh that's right gag this week so all right. I think that's going to wrap it up. We just wanted to get those couple questions in there. You can find on social media at Spivey special if you WANNA give us your ask us by questions for our next episode. Check us out on the character. Combine podcast available everywhere. You can find podcast. It's the one that says featuring us. Yeah they're gonNA do a little drop of US something like important. A accident only got us say it's a little video of US introduced in the episode. We had absolute blast. Douse a lot of fun. Good time it was a lot of fun so check us out on that. I think that's coming out this Wednesday. So keep an eye out for that but listen to other episodes volts a good podcast and. I think our next might be a live show. You know unless you have the pod. Bean APP downloaded. And you follow the show. If you the show on pod being you have the APP. It will notify every time we do. Go live and we might just randomly go live one time one of these weeknights and just we like to do that to one to make sure that it's GonNa work right in to to meet people like Brent. Yeah you gotta get the crowd into it. We randomly go on random. Live shows all the time and try to talk. Just ask them questions about pizza and stuff like wow this guy again. What's that about the Bible? What are you doing the pizza that they piece in the Bible fact? That might be wrong. I don't I don't know that's right. You got anything else for this week. One thing I do have Zack. Your fat or your fat later.

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The last time I did talk to you were talking about your life in about the naval academy. And now as you reflect on it somewhat eleven years later when you look back in that whole experience at the naval academy. How did it fit into your life? What did it do for you that you still carry forward today? But I think the main thing is the people that I ran into, you know, you just make great friends that are going to last you a lifetime. And, and, you know, the, the whole attitude became part of my life, you know, being in the navy they taught you couldn't sit around on your phones for too long to get up and get something done. And I think that helped helped me in my training helped me my of the game. And everything I look at it more as a as a professional responsibility that I have. And, and I was surprised like Lee and saw a lot of guys didn't have that attitude towards it. Do you think that you look at it more as no business like approach than other people who may look at truly as just sport? A little bit. Yeah, I do. Because it really started more as a business for me 'cause I never grew up loving the play the game all the time. It was even when I started playing there was a lot of people who are far more advanced than I was. And I, I had to learn everything. So it wasn't a real natural comfortable thing for me. So I, I guess I do kind of look at it more as a responsibility, and there's a business. It's kind of interesting. I remember in the last time we talked I came away with one impression the great balance that you have in your life. And I think that, that is really helped you to enjoy basketball, what I mean by that is you don't see David Robinson was some of the problems that other athletes have had off the court that, that whole experience your family as well. Meaning the experience with the naval academy gave you a real balance a real kind of view on life, as it actually is my correct in that assumption. David. That's a good point. You know, I really attributed it now, you know, more about faith because if I, I think my, my background gave me the navy and the family life Jamie, great beginning, but soon you begin to one experiment and get out there and see what's going on. And, and then really that's what my faith started to kick in, because I knew that, you know, I knew the lowest watching me all the time. So that kind of kept me in check more than anything else. You know, your background doesn't keep you in check when the chance to, you know, get into trouble of this women around, or whatever. But, but being under the, the I of God, if that'll keep you in check, if you're worried about it ever worried about disappointing. Anybody did that ever factor into your life? Whether it'd be your faith, or it'd be your family. Yeah. No question. That's, that's always been a big part of my life. You know, different people have different personalities. And I'm noticing that with my son's now, you know, three different three little boys with three different. Analogies in my personality. I don't like to disappoint people feel a huge responsibility to, to go out and give everything I have got feel about my playing I have a gift seven feet tall and have anything to do with that. And I have this, this athletic ability in and in this body, and I feel like, you know, God gave me this for reason, and I, I can't waste it. I don't I I just can't. I don't have that, that luxury to just pass on it. So, so I enjoy my work, but I also think of it as a responsibility for like, marriage, you but it's also a great responsibility, the other thing too. Would you talked about your three sons, I think that you want to conduct yourself in a way that you'll never have to apologize to them. Do you feel that athletes in general take a look at that big human picture as much as they should? You know, I don't I don't want to say that there's not a lot of athletes out there that too, because I think there are I think that, you know, sometimes they're just not interesting enough for the media right about. But there, I think a lot of guys out there that really do a great job and keep their heads on straight, and, and in a very professional about their job. But I think a lot of times, you know, athletes are so revered in our society there, so pumped up that they, they lose perspective, they don't think that, that they have the same responsibilities that everybody else has and, and it's unfortunate because a lot of times guys get written about in the paper. Or you know, get in trouble. Let me ask you about your all star should say, MVP ninety five you have the injury. How did that play on your emotionally and physically as well? Just totally David Robinson. If you know what I'm talking about David. The main thing is I wanted to continue to improve. I mean, I got that award MVP award. And that's a wonderful war. But, but I still felt like you know, I need to take my teams the next level and, and, and I wasn't able to do it in ninety five and I wanted to be able to do it. So the injury played a mind because I thought that now I've really got to, to not only get back to where I was. But even go farther than where I was and, and with your back, you never know if that's going to be one hundred percent again. So I had a lot to fight through mentally as well as physically, one of the things David that I thought about was because you came out of the naval academy where they teach you leadership that the great players are those that are able to take their team to the next level like you indicated. And also when the game is on the line, they want to be the ones that determine the outcome. Is that kind of the way you look at your experience in your life now with the Spurs? Yeah. No question. I, I think you can't be afraid to fail. I mean we. Had, you know we had playoff failures in the past and and, and I've had personal failures. And, and it's been tough. But I you know, I don't look at it the way the rest of the media and the world looks at it, you know, I think those to me, those are great experiences. I mean I see those as, as you know, real opportunities for me to dig down deeper into find something that, that, you know, that I need to be champion. And and I'm excited about him. I mean I look back in very disappointed about him also excited because the possibilities are great in front of me. And, and so, yeah, I mean I definitely gave myself. I don't think it's unfair for the media or the public doesn't by success by winning because that tie judge myself, one of the things that I know that you're probably proud when I've talked to Joe Morgan another baseball players point to the goal gloves that they wanna know in nineteen Ninety-two you were the defensive player of the year. That's not that flashy stat that a lot of people look at, but it probably means an awful lot to you to have had that honour Mike. Correct. Yeah. No question. I, I really I really take take pride in that because that's, that's what the strongest part of my game is I have to recap on the defensive end at the block shots after rebound. And in when I'm doing that. Our team is successful and even this year even more exaggerated. But we have a guy Kim Dunkin who can score and take some of that scoring pressure off of me. So I don't have to score thirty points every night for us to win too. I always felt like I had to not only block shots rebound. But I also had to score thirty points. And that was really tough. But now I feel like I can score eighteen points and it not be an awful game. And that's a, that's a good feeling a big load off my shoulder. That's an excellent point, because I've always felt the David Robinson was more productive when he had somebody that complimented him. You wanna do it all if you had to do it, maybe David Robinson is much more comfortable in happier playing this game. No question. I can't help but enjoy the game now more. It just feels it. Feels more fun at feels more like I'm out there playing instead of out there working all the time when you take a look at the Tim Duncan, do you see a younger David Robinson him in his attitude, and his work ethic. And the way he approaches this game. I always sense that. He's definitely got a style different than me in, in the sense that he's not a jumper. He's not the my biggest strength has always been my lettuce. His biggest strengthens his his knowledge of the game in his his comfort level on the floor. I mean he's a great passer has great pump fake step through moves a great hook shot with both hands. And like a lot of those things have never been great at, but but, but his attitude is wonderful. I got a chance to work out with them during the summer and I saw right away. I mean this guy's gonna be good because he wants to be good. He wants to he wants to be better every day. And he doesn't have that arrogant attitude, like nobody can teach him anything and I think that's gonna make him great. The four years at Wake Forest. You think help him is that a maturity factors? Well, David, yeah, there's no question that I definitely think that help. I mean he's you know, he he hangs out with a lot of the younger guys. But, but I think sometimes, you know, he's shows a little better discretion. And he doesn't he doesn't doesn't do some of the things that might. Attract from his play. And I think that's, that's a big part of his maturity, even hold on just a second. We'll take a quick break. David Robinson joined us, you only keep him a couple of minutes longer. We'll check the numbers on our scoreboard as we continue across the country and around the world on the armed forces radio network in the internet. We've got you on sports. Byline. Attention to anyone. That's written a book. A wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated take a first step. Even if you write a page day, you build momentum and your book will be come a reality. The hard part is getting it published. That's when you need to call Page Publishing. They've got hundreds and hundreds of thank yous from different new authors, just like you. They make the process of publishing your new book and getting it sold online, a simple process, you can learn how simple it is right now by calling for your free Page Publishing new author submission kit. One quick three minute phone call. 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The wind goes to shove as five shutout innings the Tigers helped out by committing three errors and Gu's men. Homered and drove into runs over on the National League side. It was the Yankees four three over Toronto Yanks of one ten out of eleven they hit four home runs. But it was in Carcione and Cossio owns eighth inning shot. That was the winter and Washington over Miami six one the final there. Nets had eight hits and a pair of three run innings Turner had of three run home run and shears gets the win. He only gave up five hits. Run over eight innings at the World Cup women's World Cup. It was Italy blanking China to nothing in the Netherlands, also pick up a win to one over Japan. And by the way, the Yankees, set a record on Tuesday night by hitting their twenty eighth home run in straight games. And that breaks the two thousand two Rangers record of twenty seven and that your sports update, we love watching sports, but these days, it's nearly impossible to catch all the best moments of your favorite games. Now with a new sport flip app. You can receive real time customize notification. So, you know, when you're games are back after commercial break, period, change or rain delay. Download sport flip from the app store today and watch more sports. David Robinson joined us here on sports by line USA David. Let's talk about the NBA overall isn't it sort of at a crossroads as far as where it's going to go here? We've had problems off the court, we've had squabbling within the game. Where do you see the NBA basketball game today? I think it's I think it has a very good chance of discontinuing its great success as long as we begin to get a couple of things under control. I think, you know, the salaries have to get under control somewhat. I think obviously, if you guys getting paid to kind of money they're getting paid. There's a lot of money out there partially because of television partial because other things, but the, the salaries need to be more balance. I mean, the, the veteran who can bring a lot to your ball. You can't bring those guys in for minimum. You have to be able to pay those guys and, and some of the young unproven rookies are making, you know, too much money because they don't, you know, got the if they're going to be good after a year or two years. You don't know if they're going to be a long lasting staple of your team. And you look at a guy like David Stottlemyre, who's a wonderful player but I mean he's not a franchise player, but they had to you know they have to pay him as a franchise player. They lose them and it's it's it's hurting overall game. I take a look at. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the veteran player deserving the money, but I'm just wondering whether the genie is out of the bottle when you see, so much money, four and a half billion dollars in revenue, generated in the NBA last year. Three billion of at four and a half billion was coming from merchandise. David, and I don't know that we can ever put the genie back in that bottle. What would you do if you were the Commissioner or what can a Commissioner even do if you think he can? The commission tough spot. I'm gonna tell you that David started his done a phenomenal job with the league. But. Part of the problem is, you know, the owners got kinda protect each other from themselves, and so he's got to get those guys make them happy. And then he's got you know, he's got a you know, get these got the players bid against the owners kind of with his far as the players don't wanna lose their salaries, but the owners kind of want to, you know, cut everything back. And so he's got a couple couple problems coming to deal with and it's a tough situation. I don't envy, his situation. I, I don't know exactly the things that it's gonna take to make the million healthy one hundred percent. But I think there's a lot of things that can happen that will make that will make the league, you know, viable, no, other teams and rivalries have to come up. And right now, you know, rivalries are salary rivalries, you know, they're not court rivalries. I mean that's the biggest problem we have. Right now is, is if we can get some good court rivalries, and get get guys, you know, serious about the game and serious about their, their conduct in, in their attitude. Then the legal fantastic David one of the things that I see. And I don't know whether you saw this stat, but over a ten year period, the assists are down about eight a game. And of course, the NBA has really promoted the individual player that we seen a weakening have we seen a lessening as far as team play in this league. No question. No question. Have you look at you look at this last all star game? It was it was so typical of how the game is is being played right now. And, and it's a it's very frustrating, you got guys like Karl Malone, you know, called any wanna play the game you know, he's like he goes out there, and, you know, Kobe Bryant's get out of my way, I'm driving. And you think man, you know, this is come along manage guys in the league thirteen years. He's, he's kind of proven himself. You know, he thinks you know, send the pick and rolls pretty good, probably do it. But you know, it's kind of something that's happening. And, and it's it's you know it's a little bit unfortunate. I mean, some of the veteran guys who, who were you know getting a little bit older now. Like my team I take it as responsibility teaches young is say, look, the team is more important. And if I'm gonna be the best player on this team, y'all gonna follow that soup. And in, you know, I think we have to have that throughout the league though as the dunk hurt the game. Do you think the basket? Would be raised some people have suggested that I think that's no, that's ridiculous suggestion. I think the dunk is exciting. It's, it's awesome. Part of the game. And I love to watch it. I don't know any fans don't enjoy, watching the dunk. It's a fantastic part of the game. You know, you still got these big bodies in the by again bigger and bigger. So I mean don't gonna snoop his not as easy as used to be so you know, it's still a great challenge that don't regardless of the size of the basket. You know, I don't think that that's hurt it at all. I think some of the other stuff trying to be fancy with the ball and all these fancy dribbles and making no look passes and all that kind of garbage, and then when sometimes, you know, they'll Bill you know, pump up guys to say you know, there's a match up of the Lakers versus the bulls in its Kobe Bryant versus Michael Jordan. That's ridiculous. That's what hurts the game when when guys have trouble realizing that it's not that, you know, it's, you know, the media say whatever they want to it's, it's that team against the other team. And, and you know Michael Jordan is about one of the only guys I know. Can go get his game off, and then get the rest of his guys playing great so you know, until you know, somebody else reaches that level, they can't do that. They can't play that ego game on the floor. Gave an I listen to you, and I know people around the world, and especially the guys that are listening on the armed forces radio network are going to listen to you and they're gonna be really proud about what you're saying. You haven't enthusiasm for this game. You have a lump Ford and to be able to endure that into double digit years in professional sports. I think is admirable. What do you try to do to make sure that you have that intensity? You have that desire year after year. Around. I tell you the one thing that just goes back to my faith. I mean, I just think that there's wonderful things this waiting for me. You know, I mean I just have to be faithful in my day to day work. I mean if I you know this summer, I could have been really disturbed because with my back I mean at times, I couldn't pick up my children. I couldn't even been over to brush my teeth. My back was hurting so bad. But, but I just knew that it's not in my hands. You know it's not in the my control. I can do is out there and work as hard, I can and, and give what I have, and the rest of it will fall right in the place. So I mean I've been excited about this season since since the end of last season, and I've worked very hard. I've been it's just been a lot of fun. It's been a great journey for me, when, you know, it could have been a tough journey could have been you know, you know, very frustrating journey, but it all boils down to that. That's where my motivation comes. I just wanna please, please. Please my fans and my family and, and, and that was fun about it. I mean I, I love I love plan because I love. Competition. You know, I don't know. Anybody that just flat out? Love to go out there and beat themselves down every day running on the hill and running on the track and getting out there and beating their bodies down, but I love the competition love. I love, you know, it's, it's, it's uh gives them and only one of us gets to walk off the court with our hands raised, so that's the fun part about it. There's no doubt about you being a role model and having said that when you look into the eyes of kids today, particularly maybe African American kids. What do you see in their faces? What are they looking for today? Well, I think the number one thing is that they're looking for affirmation in they're looking for family. You know, that that's really shown by the number of gangs, and the number of people joining gangs, you know, that's just just, just a family that they can't really find it home. And, you know, a lot of our parents are absentee parents with, you know, where at work. I mean, we're not thinking of our kids with. No, we're not taking in our day to sit down the teacher kids and our data sit down and discipline and train our children. And so two firm them and to, you know to love on them. We just get frustrated when they spilled the milk. Oh when they put peanut butter in the VCR. We we get mad. But you gotta spend the time training them and encouraging them. And then, you know you don't you're not angry with them all the time. And I think know that's what they're looking for. They're looking for family, and they're looking for information. Also, do you feel that the kids as role models that the kids truly understand? It was the hard work. They got you and the other athletes to this level, or do they just take a look at the tangible ze, the car, the jewelry, etc. I mean with with television with the movies nowadays. I think a lot of lot of it helps them focus towards that stuff. But, but, you know, if they if they really get to see who you are and know who you are. I don't think it look at Michael Jordan. And think it was just magic. No, I you know, a guy like that, you know, you know that it just took a lot of intense effort. And, and, you know, me, I hope that's what they see when they see me. But I think that, you know with the media, a lot of the media stuff, that's facing our tune. And now it makes it a little bit harder for them to focus on, on some of what it takes to get here question, David, when you take a look at things in a professional and personal sense are there moments that crystallized in your mind, first of all personal level, and then maybe on a basketball level that will mean something to you for the rest of your life while about every day. I mean this experience I mean people always ask me when I go to the all star game. And this is my eighth year the all star game and, and other asking me this stuff get old. And, you know, you here's a new generation of kids in a lot of. Out of that. And, and for me, I'm thinking, man, this is incredible. I mean, you know, I get I get to come here. I didn't even play. But I, I was, I got to sit there with the fifty greatest players in the history of basketball, and I'm looking over and there's George Mike in Bob Cousy. And, you know, I mean if I'm leave -able, you know, these guys laid the foundation, I mean, after Robertson, vital Jordan, and Kareem. And, and I'm thinking, man. I'm just like a little kid in the candy story. This is awesome. And every time I play go out for the all star game and, and you look around you and you got, you know, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Murray, and Bette midler and, and prints. And, you know, all these people sitting right across from me. You know, it's amazing. I'm thinking, how can live me better than this minimum on the biggest state in the world right now? This is incredible. Even I wanna thank you very much. Not only having been an officer. But you've always been a gentleman, and I always find you fascinating to talk to not so much for what you've done in the basketball sense before the message that you portray the people, and I know. On the armed services stations around. The world is going to be a lot of servicemen that are going to be very happy to hear what you had to say tonight and share your thoughts, will you come back and visit with us not so long the next time. Try not to wait ten years next time. That'd be great. Yeah. I don't want to start talking to you when the kids are going off to college. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. David. David Robinson with the Senate Tonio Spurs their all star center. He was the NBA's defensive player of the year. Nineteen ninety two and also was the MVP course in nineteen ninety-five, we'll take a break. Come back on the other side here on America's sports talk show, and indeed, we believe resume is really, to see an overview of a candidate. But you're not hiring a resume hiring person. 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This is America sports, talk show, sports, byline USA. Here's rhonda. Pete Sampras joins us on sports byline, the all time leader in grand slam. Singles titles, of course, and Pete when I saw you walk off the court back in two thousand two having captured your fifth US open championship. I thought to myself, this is a person that's going to be very comfortable, getting on with his life, and I really feel that, that was something that you had come to terms with, was, I correct in that operation, after the fact didn't and a few months after the open, I was held vindicated, with all the negative stuff kind of, don't do those two years. I'm not winning. I feel like it was kind of a lowest point, it was when I lost at Wimbledon that year to kind of come back and win that open. Just took a lot Ademi and two months after the the win. I cut ask myself, what's next? You know, you wanna get ready for Australia. You get played keep on going. I think for the first time in my career, I was really content and felt like I've given everything. I have, and I've nothing left in the tank, and then that's when I knew it was pretty close to being over. I just wanted to give myself time to make sure one hundred percent done. Wimbledon came came and went, I just knew that it was time for me to retire. Because if that term, it didn't get my Jesus going than it was time to move on retirement, is the process isn't something that you wake up and say, I'm just gonna retire me it took me a while to kind of come in a really, really comes to grip with retirement, and, but it was it was the right time for me. It was a great way to go out and before the open. I didn't know what was in store for me in the next six eight months. But after the open, it was pretty much it for my career is ongoing battle between highly skilled, professional athletes between what their body tells them and what their mind tells them as far as retirement. Yeah, it's a tricky one because the easy part is playing. The hard part is, is a training preparation work running the weight room. That's the grinding stuff is the hardest part, you know play with. Elway saying this term and he totally agreed when he came to his season me that spring training or that, that boot camp was hard for him. And for me it was it was a grind and playing the game since I was eight and turn pro seventeen seven fifteen sixteen years, and a lot of international traveling took its toll on me, and I, you know, body held up pretty good. You know mentally I you know stress myself on a lot trying to stay on top of the game. And I think put all that in the blender, and it's eventually with they told, but I wasn't gonna continue to play out to the open just to make more bucks. Just to kind of say, farewell. Well I play to win. And once it wasn't in my heart anymore news time to move on he'd one of the things that all athletes, tell me is that the successful ones are those that can being able to stay even keeled when they're playing baseball players. You go for four or four four. And you got to remember both I suppose in the sport of tennis in your personality was always very even keeled was as easy as an appeared to be. Or did you have to work at, at staying emotionally even keel my personality? I don't get too high to low when I lose, I say I'd do pretty low. Feel that good. Sorry, so insane sounds right about that. The you know I lost my train of thought being even keeled. Oh, yeah. And I think with, with being even kill it helped me deal with thing top of the game. That's why look at somebody fetter who's a lot similar to me. I think we'll have an easier time staying on top of the game where like a macro who is a little bit. Temperamental up and down. It's like you know an exhausting week when he played, because he was so emotional or as me I was a pretty even keeled and kind of pretty consistent. I think that helped me stay on top was just having that kind of Okey didn't really say, do too much and just kind of play my tennis in it. Just keep. I just kept things. Simple focused on winning, and you know, that was my party. Every time I step out there. I know Pete Sampras had his own game. But you grew up idolizing Rod Laver. And you often watch tapes of him what was it that you saw what did you try to incorporate in your tennis game, what they liked about ride was just? We just class act great player. But but his game was an all around core game. You didn't have many holes in his game. He played well in all surfaces and a smooth classical player and, and serve valley, which I love and I just kinda looked at him. It's kind of, you know, he was left handed kind of role model like while he's kind of, you know, trying to emulate that we have our own different game with more power. But I think he just kind of represented something that was class and always looked up to that. And, and just that certain volume tacking game, the fact that he did it with the law style, grace is something that, you know, is, is, is refreshing for me to see the time where I was growing up watching. You know, Connors Lendl three players, but just just just a different personality in mind. I know a lot of kids when they're growing up wanna have their parents support, especially when they're competing in sports. But in your case, your parents got pretty nervous watching you. They didn't come to a lot of your matches. Did they, they didn't really they like to kind of my own and they support me and it became a few majors lost ninety to open their their and obviously breaking the record with with them. There was one of the best moments of my life. So they've come in force them to come. I think my sisters force him to come because they get nervous. They pretty shy people like myself. They don't like the cameras. They just kind of let me do my thing, and for me, it was, it was nice to have to worry about tickets and make sure they're getting it. Okay. Just focus on my tennis heat. I know when I talked to John McEnroe one time he took that six months off. He said to me said, Ron, you know, when I came back off of that six months. I wasn't the same player in that I had other things on my mind. I thought about my family I thought about the kids, some of the time, instead of strictly on tennis, when you got married in two thousand with Bridget did your life change to any degree from the tennis perspective. You know it really didn't. It was interesting. When I married her, it was a time in my career that I was really at a crossroads just broke the record. I lost the US open final and it just we can week out. I just didn't have didn't want to dig deep enough. You know, I stayed on top for a lot of years. And I think the timing of everything looked like she kinda ruined my career in anything she kind of kept me in the game, you know, at times, where I was frustrated, she just said, promise me, you're gonna stop on your own terms, because I was starting to believe some of these things, I was reading, and he really take my life. I mean how many kid definitely changed my life. I mean, you know that adjustment waking up at six thirty pooping hand, you know. They want to come out of retirement, but anyway. You know, and we stuck with me kind of kept me into it. And then, you know winning last US open, I just felt I felt great for her because she was a lot of the blame for me, not playing well in that kind of goes with the territory, but it wasn't wasn't that fair. So I you know, she supported me through some tough times, and we got through together, and we ended up on my terms. I live in an area where Andrea Gacy had a home and I ran into him at the Safeway store in the vegetable department one time, and I looked over Andre and he looked over at me and I looked over at him. My said can I ask you a question? Now, I know Andrea expected that it was going to be a sports or a question about his tennis. I said, can you tell me when the melons are ripe? I know you like these supermarkets he likes to cook out here. But that's like he's, he's definitely pretty domesticated. Andre let me ask you a question. One of the nicest evenings I had is when I had a chance to sit down with a gun axons both him and Tom and just talk a little bit of tennis. And I know that Tim, certainly was your coach for a period of time and it struck you very deeply when he passed away, but the relationship between tennis player and coach have always been fascinated with because when you're a highly skilled player, what is it that the coach brings to the game? Bring her Jeknic mentioned that. You need someone that can see your swing because you don't know what he looked like in if they're times, where I'm playing my ball tosses off, and I'm standing back in the cord basically gives you a bird's eye view of what you're doing out there. Because when you're when you're into you just kind of doing, you know what feels comfortable. And so, you know, if you technical things he we worked on, but a lot of strategy and just being able to see my shot and see if, if he sees something that I don't feel and, and huge. Plus, you know, he gives you a kind of confidence in him. And I got to very, very close friends. It was tough losing him. And but he was he took me to that next level. He took me to the, the number one into any majors. He'd definitely made me into much better player, Pete, I know you're not the type of person to look back you may appreciate the past, but you tend to look forward. What are you looking forward to now in your life? You know, I'm, I'm enjoying my time, I implying a lot of golf. And I'm up here in Tahoe playing golf tournament, which is fun. You know, it's nice to do whatever you want whatever you wanna do it. And that's that's sacrifice a lot over my career to kind of do that. And so it's been fun. But, you know, the point where I wanna start doing some more stuff, maybe tennis, some, some sort. But right now just trying to figure that out, you know when I take a look at the young players, and I've been at some junior tournaments the thing that distresses me a little bit is that I see these guys wailing away at balls. But I don't see the complete all around game is this game just focused, solely on power and not on technique. Fortunate. Because if you look at the game today in the future of the game, it's a lot of guys that just stay back and throw rocks. That's what's refreshing to seek on a federal who's got a really good round game. You can come in stay back. And now it's just, you know, guys, the back and just kind of crack it, you know, and that's that's inter- -taining to some point. But I like like the contrast. And but that's the way the game's going. I mean, if you look at Wimbledon, I mean, everybody was staying back, you know, in my ear, you know, certain volleyed, and that's kinda the way to play on grass. And it's just a different time. When you take a look at some of the people that you've been able to play golf with over the years. And I've got a list of some of those people Arnold Palmer, David divall, Fred Couples Paul as ING any outstanding Goff players. What's the commonality of all? Great golfers quick offer it to just their swings. There MRs aren't they missing the right place? The short games phenomenal short games chipping. And putting I mean these guys are they're so good. I mean it's. Like me with the ten phone racket. I could put it where of one, these guys can do with the golf club. It's a sport that I struggled playing you know, missing shots here and there and it's respect those offers to grind out there for four and a half hours. It's a lot of work and play with those pros. I mean you really can see the best in the world and these guys can hit it on time. So they it just doing starting at a young age. And and but it's something that I don't really see myself pursuing seriously. Also, when you see somebody like a Barry Bonds doing what he's doing at his age does adjust amazing to see that skill level. So high still surprise me. I'm sorry. Does it amaze you to see that skill level so high? Yeah, you know what it is? I think it's more experience. Look at berries, the plate. I dunno baseball that well, but he's probably a little more patient, and he was probably when he was thirty he maybe see the ball, little better. He's in great shape. And fortunately, I think the so unfair getting Chris. I saw the steroid nonsense another story but it just experience. And you look at. Andre who's in tennis. It's still can play well, he's got kind of experienced and knows what he's doing out there knows game varies the same way forty you know, I think he's gonna break the all time record. So experience up there. I think he's confident that he's gonna it went out of there, if he gets a pitch final question for you. When you reflect back on your career. I know there's got to be a moment, that's kind of emblazoned in your mind that you'll never forget, the kind of symbolizes all that you did in tennis your competitive aspect in what is that moment? I think I think the last open, I think that just kind of really. Kind of. Told me that I kinda got the toughest part of my career and into those two years when I was struggling, I still felt I could win the open people really still didn't get me understand my game, and they thought it was all washed up. But I always knew I could I could win it again. And I think it was kind of fitting my career through my no one really kinda could figure me out. And I think that kind of the icing on the cake, where two years of playing well and people thought I should retire to winning the open. It's like what happened here. So I think that was kind of a fitting way of my whole career something. The last was the most special vindicated felt like ended on my terms felt really happy about it. And as I ended on top not only from your playing standpoint, but also a personal in a professional standpoint the way you reflected rod labor and his professionalism, as well. I just wanna complimented and that Pete, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it. You're welcome here anytime on sports, byline taking Pete. Hey, I also wanna say Hello to the we have our air force. Overseas. I wanna wish him luck. We're all proud of you guys want you to come home soon. But just wanna thank you for putting your life on the line for us. So God bless you guys. Thank you. Take care. Thank you champion in every aspect. Pete sampras. We continue with more of you and America's sports talk show. If you or a loved one is suffering from physical or emotional condition, that has left, you unable to work, then listen carefully take this number down, eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one that's eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one. When you call, you'll speak with a social security disability expert and get a free evaluation to see if you may qualify for disability insurance benefits from the US government. That's right. A monthly cash payment paid directly to you from the social security administration. 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In the second round of the ninety seven draft went onto play ten seasons with buffalo San Diego, Dallas Jacksonville and he became an all pro defensive end. He moved comfortably into his post playing life working for ESPN, and now Fox Sports. He's smart. He's our ticket. He's incite phony tells great stories and he's put it all together in his book called never shut up the life, opinions and unexpected adventures of an NFL outline. Let's start off by talking about growing up in south central LA take me back to the neighborhood. Marcellus. Yeah, let's talk about the late seventies early eighties child of us very difficult terrain turns these all. Maybe. WHM out. Their hearts. A lot of them focused on the gangs. The property and the low ambitions, which was the most damning is people walking around living out there. Phyllis desires the one having career of more jobs and you can see spirit being damned all around me. So very difficult verse times and just a young kid who had pretty much to talents in total new. I was good in the classroom eager in classroom wanted to learn and more only as good as sports pretty fast on the tracking for lay at two football career at a young as they help me get identity and dania rolled out of the neighborhood. Obvious question is how did Marcellus Wiley survive? Yeah. I think it started identity. They just started with me who I was. Was not something my mother told me at a young age, make sure you know, your but more importantly, loser. Not. And I knew I wasn't a game. Firing to Bangor. Simply take your family out of that circumstance to give the best opportunity to show the real believer in full potential so that covered the book titled about never showed up about that essence and express that to the entire way that you may try to dictate terms to you. They may try to tell you certain stances who you must be on what your limits are. But. Is to never set of and never try to scream into this girl that I am not sure that is what was the biggest challenge for you, as a kid, where did that stability come from? Where did that self confidence come from for you? Marcellus. Yeah, it wasn't minium. I mean in the success, not many years, wrong coaster is trial tribulations and I've been following in a million times. Would I leave and difference between the check? And the contender is the champ out at one time, saying that's been my, my thought process to just get up. But that's the -bility that's the curator came from our parents, a mother and father being there for me every single and every single way, having great nuclear family that thunder student, the importance of education, in or not, just as balancing act, but even two parents or as my books before I could say sports, and just had that family dynamics really gamy structure. When I went out into the real world, no matter what occurred, what our faith supported moment in a safety. That was able to to restore my emotions and semi free. So I think it all started ever house. I think one of the things that's the prizes me. And I think people listening, this will be surprised as well as you grew up in Compton, California. Everybody knows kind of what the environment's like down there, your star football player, you have the chance to stay home, relatively speaking with UCLA and cow. But you end up at Columbia. Is an Ivy league school. Why there? Couple of reasons. What I think to me, the athletes, put on vets. And the matter what their success mobile it being short live could enough to tear for the real world or the transition also. Since which it seemed like the room. Most notably done statement of enough. Mandy lady that came out, where I went to get into Spence presumed intelligence that I knew that. Where? Columbia discounts in this council. If find anywhere. You wanna risk. He was certainly. The lone game of life. Some just simply a thinking that the medicine. Me one. When I was doing the Stanford football games as the broadcaster for them. I'll never forget we were on a charter. And as I walked down the aisle, the players weren't reading books. They weren't reading Sports Illustrated. They were reading the New York. The New York Times and the business, thanks. And everything was that atmosphere like football wife at an Ivy league school like Columbia. Yeah. You pay the pitcher, perfectly man athletes should have best not should be. She is component minimized, but I wasn't used to the way, the Columbia football experience, growing up in the neighborhood, that's competition in the neighborhood one, they made it seem like you bowl to your phone. Everything about how wells you play while you can spend got to Columbia, realize that you're your people in this world. Asking tentative it's not more opinions about academic percents, kids member taking nets before the class kids away, three teeth six, just to go to lecture and challenge the fencers on this end, keeping really academics. Seriously? As everyone I do. And to go to Columbia, fake. Pretty much the same kids do that. It had afford your expiration date on their pursuits. They want more than than holiday tonight. To me the experience. But I think the up call in me was being with people who didn't compromise success, do that. They could play football but they were going to win in life. And whether it has a CEO. He. Whatever was as much as I did my buttocks. Did you harbor the desire to be a pro football player when you're at Columbia? Yeah. That's a tough one. It's like distant dream, and then I guess my to your sceviour is stunned seemed like a reality stars of realize thirty to really internalize thing, I could become people to the next level, it really came and just working out in the off season. And in the summer months with guys plastics and getting that further confidence. That comes from working. Who's the man on the NASA miss, and, but in reality, I'm a better athlete in this town, teenage in occurs to me that, hey, just make one k to make the matter where you are and seem to gain companies with no way. I walk every day, my eighteen I'm the next great thing, the Columbia, that the NFL in my sight, Bernie alerting campus. I think you want we have about ninety seconds left before we have to break here. But what did you perceive, the NFL to be like, and how was it similar to or different from what you've found in thought? The feeling. If I was everyone craves it just can't be ready made these big schools really, these guys to taste something that I wasn't prepared for so technique stood out during the command stream. And I was just dependent. Many master Crispin. Gene. Jade, it, everyone must and big business. They do like the media, David. They were signed or to all the things they came out of me because he was. Overtake bands. Because he's have aping mind to all the things that came from being a profession. My myself Wiley is with us. We're talking about his book, never shut up the life of pinions, and unexpected adventures of an NFL outline. He was drafted by the Buffalo Bills in the second round of the ninety seven draft. And he went onto play ten seasons with buffalo San Diego. Dallas Jacksonville, he became an all pro defensive and only comeback. 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Of course he was drafted in the second round under the ninety seven draft by the Buffalo Bills. I suppose draft a every player thinks about where he would like to play knowing that they have no control over that at all. Now you're a kid from southern California. You know what the weather is like you get drafted by buffalo? What was the reaction? Yeah. I mean that's kind of he was amazing. Wow. Kids need some help in terms of technique exposer, too big football within a plea fourteen the deepest of all time in my position. So that was amazing turns of the university into my trees desires being immediately to the cold. The my went to him injury. We've challenge in legislative team and believe in. When back home team is code as the and I learned that whom it away play any for us and go through a lot of pre game victories with other teams shitting. And then my man how did you hear about something? Just as bad to you that to me. But somehow someway gonna get through this. Few Marv Levy was he one of your coaches while you were playing there. Yeah. He was my first year day we. Yep. Yeah. I asked that question because having gone to Columbia University, I would think there was a natural affinity between Marcellus Wiley and Marv Levy, because he is the only coach that I've ever known the graduated from Harvard. Tell me a little bit about him with the team, and how he worked with them because you don't think of something like the Ivy league are Harvard in conjunction with professional football. Yeah. Mark Levy ninety children's. Into naturally perspective motivated to play the game a lot of countries. They're mostly changes. They wanna get him out as they wanna scream the most, and that's gonna get you out that today to their third rail to that exactly where you could give walls and be a football three or Lee could give it to you. Come on, only and still get that same energy out of you say a masterful. He's. To Tim series. War is used to his game and you been lot of vegetable venture try to keep us into the motive and he different experience that I was used to a certain Morton Marcellus. I've always been fascinated motivation not just personal individual motivation. But when it comes to football, maybe the team motivation in the late Bill Walsh was very dear friend of mine. He was at Stanford the first time around when I was doing the play by play there. So I had an up close and personal. Look at the way he motivated people and ninety was with the forty Niners. And of course, winning those three Super Bowls. He always knew how to push the right buttons at the right time now you've been in this league. You've known other coaches you played for coaches. Tell me what the what the good coaches consistently do. The good coaches. I have to have a case of their room. They gotta know who's in that they have to know those individuals they have to have context. You have to make sure that they the messages perceived functionally you so they're not just give us there. Respectful. And that's a key part of the day because you gotta listen on this as much as you talk because you don't want it to him deaf years. So I think the coaches to read the better than most Bill still has a baby at that. He makes. It's basically because he was very observant. He can read every single players spent the positive and negative attributes as a player and even as a person, so that gave them feeling dollars to twist. So the greatness, you don't just walking their script. They read off it the great wins able to improv if he plopped to and make sure that they know that their best they receive exactly they wanna deliver in this book never shot up. You talked very candidly about the way trainers in the locker rooms provide players with just about everything they need including some strong painkillers to cause the diction and wreck havoc on aging players as they retire. Tell me a little bit more about what you saw what you came to understand about that aspect of pro football. Yeah. It was it was it was. How for a moment in, in terms of watching the long trees, dishing walk into the league in nineteen ninety seven and never turn TS before and walk into the lead ninety seven and they were playing feed through, do this testing helmets. And they'll be the lesson nation just take these be better. And I move on. In terms of. Mation and they'll long keeping players in dark about their bodies and about what the things they were digesting, but that wasn't always ways. And other sent me that way, one saying he was saying they want something K ero-, and be addicted to some of the day, one issues that now the place to dealing with that not, but in place, and I think the players have more knowledge than like news. Well, but do these fish? We could get prescription terms if those absence, and we could drink on things out at work. Everyone difficult for different era in different. Lightness of being saying at the change. You know, you talked very candidly about surviving Compton, California. You knew what you want and what you didn't want as well. How did you survive the NFL? I think the thing that was different to me. Isn't that truly understood in the main store debt and I did buy entity say that as much as I can even percent effort was dedicated to, and the maximum incident most of that. Most of that. So help me migrants. For the game. He'll be for my transition. That was coming their, the old adage. He shouldn't sing a low when it's time to say goodbye to players. Careers to be sources networking to the full picture and exposure beneficial when it's time to say goodbye to the NFL. And welcoming to all the experiences. I think that really prepared me for when it came to an end, and it had great relationships that weren't famous because of retirement with that were deep respectful mutual from day one baseball hall of Famer Joe Morgan and I were talking one nine at dinner and I asked him when he decided to think about retiring to look ahead. He said, I started thinking about retiring the first day I started playing how about you. Yeah. Any before the Columbia twice what the opera playing tells everyone that I was thinking, I was thinking next in the now, I was thinking about retirement, and that moment just because I had to be prepared for the real place in Phil life. So they pay to say that I think that's what's sad about some of the players and the coach are out there in sale that people take it if you're thinking about retirement or next that's not fully invested in the now and that's not true focus should be have one dot on the wall football football football. Instead, he three drinking, but new focus enlightened focuses have many dots on the wall. And then. For times whether it's football family, phrased extra present whatever those things, they be then already. So I feel sorry for a lot of players who still pulling up into old model but thinking people only we have about ninety seconds left, when you think back on your career, is there a particular moment Marcellus, that is kind of etched into your mind moment that you will never, ever forget. All so, meaning the one ever really eighteen probably. Feeling the filling of the compass knit is I grew up a big John, that went, and I was running back myself, so the moments where I could be the next there. And then I realized I could never be that way. Because I go to all like that which made me revenge anymore. So, but I get drafted a buffalo my first game ever is on the road against the different Broncos. Now, Mckee an Elway posted rolling up and now I mean the pre day warned of it your line, and I turn around and one yard waste the his number seven away and the man himself right down. The field would be for kids Constan, going up thinking that, that would never be a reality to realize that rain that was probably like latest moment. I had the honour of broadcasting his career at Stanford and I gotta tell you the wide receivers for Stanford all had bruises on their chest. He threw. Don heart. Hey, listen, Marcellus. Congratulations on this book, we're gonna make it a selection of the month. Eight is just a wonderful book with wonderful insights, and stories, as well. You're welcome anytime. And if he find yourself in San Francisco come on near visit with me again, take care, my friend. You could get to in such a pleasant on what you're puffing. So Marcellus Wiley again, check out the book. It's called never shut up the life opinions and unexpected adventures of an NFL outlier. 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And I think when you step in from not being involved in football for quite some time and most of the guys in the audience, look at me as a guy that was on television to talk about football. It's really earn their trust as a football coach and really. You know, kind of delivering the message of what the plant is in, in defining our DNA and going forward what we were trying to accomplish. And that's what I asked to the players coaches. Let me gain your trust, and they gave me the right to do that. And it was it was a fun journey all year. Bequest honest, one of the things I wondered about, is how you were going to present that message because we're talking about kids are from a different generation didn't probably know much about you as a coach when you were in the National Football League and I wondered how when you were telling them could you read their faces. Could you tell that they understood what you were saying her? Yeah, the one thing that, that, that I think I have a, a treat or of an ability to do to communicate. And that has never been short soup for me. It's been kind of one of my strengths. And I think that being said the message was very clear and then it's your words in your actions. Do they match up every day? And that's what they want to see. And it's kind of a Ron, you know, the staff that I heard for the most part, guys never coast with me a couple of the players actually coaching the Under Armour all American high school game that I've been the head coach for eight seasons. So I knew some of the players of eight new new summit coaches from afar, but it was, it was really a lot of fun going through this thing, the first year, you know, getting back into it and, and all of a sudden not only are you the coach but your coaching the coaches the players. And then there's this thing called recruiting. Tell you what that's about seventy five percent of your life. You're recruiting. I know exactly what you mean. And I wanna touch on that in just a second. Was there an moment? And I will just guess when you knocked off number fifteen Michigan state, number sixteen u Utah that really had a telling affect on the guy saying, hey this what he's talking about works. Yeah. I think the Michigan state game was big for us. It was kind of a statement game going into that. You've got an established program with a with a great head coach. And we talked about it all week. We, you know, we said, we're gonna kind of find out who we are and our players really rose to the occasion. And it was quite a football game to watch. I mean, if you watch it on television, it was one of those games that it went down to the fourth quarter and if you look at how we played all year our team was was a teen kept their composure. When things got really tight. And I've always said this about football football is one of those games where a lot. Things happen. And if you don't keep your composure, most games loss rather than one and we were able to do that and play a lot of one score. Dame's won a bunch of. Yeah. You know, it's interesting, you bring that up because I heard from somebody plays for you that you were always cool. I mean you were like Bill Walsh. In other words, you never knew if you were behind if you were winning by twenty points you were the steady captain on the ship. And I suppose that, that really does pay dividends doesn't it will it does. And I've always said, you know, told players you know when when football game chaos chaotic, who would have people that that are in control of their emotions. You know, I've always had this. We don't want to be an emotional team. We wanna be passionate team. Because when you become emotional, you make bad decisions and it was kind of ironic. I think the play stood out to me the most was our first game, we're at home. And we're about on the fad were right around the. Twenty our line, and it's fourth in one, and we elect to go for it, and I'm sitting there, you know as head coach and coast like, you know, the series before, you know as things getting I said, look, if we get down and, and four thousand fourth or three or less, I said, we're going to go forward so understand that. And we got the fourth and one he calls the play. You know, I'm looking like, okay, it's going, you know, we're gonna run arriving Milton. I down. He tells the fate. Oh, no. For lucky for us. We we can't touchdown. And so I'm talking to one of my guys in the box a guy who's been with me for for since I was in pro football Nate Wayne. Right. And he's kind of one of the guys I talked to one a phone, and I go Nate. And he goes, welcome to college football. This. I don't know what color your hair is nowadays are how much you have of it, but was the territory. Oh, cupcakes like against Arizona. Well, I tell you what it was one that you know that. That's one of those games. It's very passionate about by everyone starts with fan base you hear about it all week. You have former players come in and tell you about what it means. And you know, I was read the history I three or four times and old old old alumni would come in and talk to me about this game. I'm gonna get. I understand stand, and I didn't want to tell them, you know, I played in this game was called the big game down ago at Cal Stanford. That's a pretty big game. I said, I understand the magnitude of this one, because this one's over one hundred years. I guess. And so we understood the magnitude of it. And when you go on the road, you go, okay. There's a lot of things go. To happen in obviously, those guys took a big lead on us, and we got to the third quarter and I kept telling our players just keep up all and we just keep moving the ball. We'll be okay. And I think you know, the players knew by then that I wasn't going to panic or change how I coach them on the sideline and we started, you know, tugging away at it. And as we continue to away, you know, we, we kick a field goal where a lot of people thought they should go for it. And we kick the field goal. We got it within a couple of scores, and then all of a sudden we get another plate we get a turnover and we score, then we get another turnover. We score again. All of a sudden, this whole dynamic of the stadium just schools. You know, it's just a matter of can we stop them from going down and kicking the field goal. And we're fortunate enough. The guy you know went right right on him. And we won the one game. And it, it it was quite a win for us. I didn't know this. But there is on a state defeated. USC UCLA Zona, making you the only first year coach in program history to defeat all three teams and make a bowl game. And I think that says a very loud statement as well. I mean, would you agree with me? When you beat programs like that in your first year that there's a lot of credibility for the program for the players and even for the coaches. Yeah. And it all starts with the coaches and the players because, you know, they're, they're putting to work in, they trusted into plan. And then they went out and executed into their credit. A new coaching staff with with the senior with some kind of senior late in group we got we had a quarterback coming back. We had one of the best receivers in the country on our football team. Ito Benjamin without. Outstanding running back for offense of line did a great job. And then the defense brand new defense, you know, headed by Danny Gonzales, and I just thought together collectively as we continue to play during the season, we got better. And it was a lot of fun watching it all in fold. You mentioned about recruiting I have a friend of mine while, you know, Mike, chef ski I asked Mike. I said, you know, when you go into a recruits home, what's the first question you used to get asked a number of years ago, and he said, hey, coach. How many times are we going to be on television? Yeah. I tell you what we were forcing we think about seven national games. We very fortunate this year. We had a bunch of games on television. But the, the question I've always gotten, especially my first year coach and you're sitting in their visit with the family and within about ten minutes of conversation. One of the parents asked me this question is ironic. They say coach. Can I ask you question? I say, yeah. Go right here they said the same guy that we watched on. Yeah. I'm the same guy. I was like looking at did you we going to change? I remember asking Mike. I said, you know, you've always been somebody that has been thought of a great deal for your recruiting capabilities. I said when you walk into a recruits home. What do you do? And he said, well, sometimes it's a one parent home. Sometimes it's a two parent home. He said, but whatever it is. I make sure I asked the parent or parents question, and then out of the corner, my I, I looked to see whether the recruit rolls his eyes when parents are answering the question. I said, what does that tell you? He says it tells me they respect the authority. Yes. And I thought that was kind of a good character response to that. Yeah. That, that is a good. That's, that's a good one to use. I just think, you know, every family you assess the situation when you entered the home and you have a lot of background before you enter the home, you gotta do your homework on how the family, you know, works in, in, in who are the people that, that, that, that will help them make decisions. You kinda know that going in obviously. In those are the things that the questions you're going to ask them, you know, and I've known this whatever home. I've been in. There's never been a bad meal. Well, I know that one player who went onto the NFL and then great success. And, you know, when the coach came in the house, we didn't have a particularly nice house, but he sold my mother, if you can sell the mother get the kid. They're the ones you gotta go through because it's their son is going to leave home for the first time, and they wanna know the situation he's going to be involved in and the men that are gonna be in his life, the next four years. I mean that's important well looking ahead what your quarterback situation because Manny Wilkins was outstanding? And you know where where do you go from there? Well, we've got a young group we actually brought in three freshmen quarterback in quarterback in dealing Stirling Kohl's guy that was here last year. So he has some experience, not a lot of playing experience. But it's been quite the competition. It's got everybody wants to know who's the quarterback. I say, well, I kinda know what a quarterback is. But I'm not telling but. You also, you know, you mentioned e-e-e-e-no Benjamin and the times that I saw him. He always looked more mature than what his age was. And I mean, from a football sense are just a comportment sense as well. What's his greatest asset? His ability to. To take on the first hit and make extra yard his, his, his body balance is outstanding he has great vision that allows him to get to the second level. I mean, there's times when, when people are not blocked, and he can make the first guy miss, he has he has great strengthen his legs and in great balance when you take a look at the rest of your squad. What do you like about it at this particular point? Well, I like our youth, and I think we're, we're gonna we're in a program. Now we're trying to rebuild the football team, and we're going to be very athletic. I think we've done some things on defense and quiet and players that help us there offensively we continue to, to work to get players. So it's a program that we're trying to build it. And I've said this to our fans already you're going to see these young guys play and even watch them grow up on the grass in front of your eyes, which will be a lot of fun. What about your linebacker Merlin Robertson, boy? Yeah. He's player now. He's a freshman came right in and we. Started five of them on defense. And, you know, he's got a lot of ability. I mean he's a guy that has the opportunity he continues to develop to play pass college and you know play on Sundays when you take a look at the game. The way is played at the college level. I mean you were so used for so many years to the NFL level is something that jumps out at you heard about the game the college game. Well, first of all twenty time outs. Very long. The twenty minute halftime. Are you kidding me? Fell twelve minutes. The games will forever. And I think the thing that jumps out on you. The most is that a lot of teams have the sense of score score score and really not play situation football. And I think our team developed the sense as well of coaching staff to play situation football that look every game is a little bit different in the sense. What is it gonna take for us to win the game not so much? Can we score them? But what does it take for us to win this game? So we gotta we gotta have an idea plan going into every week and it could change some weeks. It'll be hey you gotta throw it this many times other weeks. They gotta run it but we were pretty balanced on offense because I feel like we wanted to protect our defense. We did a great job of really dictate in terms of how we wanted to play because of our ability to run the football. We only have thirty seconds. Is there a moment that's kind of engraved in her Edwards mind about his first year back coaching in college football? Yeah. It really is walking past the statue Tillman. Coming out of that tunnel. That's, that's something very special. And then feeling the excitement in the stadium again when you walk on the grass, you miss that done that for a lot of years, whether it was coaching and playing thirty years to be quite honest. And you wonder how it's going to feel and it felt like I was at home when I walked out there, and I gotta tell you, you know, you're one of my favorite people welcome here anytime on sports then have a good second year, and I'm sure we'll be talking again. Take care, my friend. Thank you, my friend appreciation Herm Edwards in his second year as the head coach at Arizona state and in his first season. The sun devils went seven and six they went to a bowl game and Edwards in his coaching staff exceeded expectations during his first year in charge of the program. They knocked off number fifteen. Michigan state, also, number sixteen Utah and despite being picked last by the media and the Pac twelve south. They were pretty darn good. We continue with more of you and sports. Byline. 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Then wherever you might be across his great country of ours and around the world. I'm Ron bar. Welcome to another edition of America's sports talk shows sports byline. We're going to spend the our guest in the studio, somebody known for a long time. I was on television up in Seattle. I also did the university of Washington games in the Seattle SuperSonics when I was up there as well. And I got the no, Gary Cavalli because he was the sports information, director for Stanford and what they used to do is twinned teams came into town. The sports information directors would go around to the television stations, talked to them ending the sports directors and give them video so they could do a feature or talk about the team that's coming into town to take on the university of Washington. And the one thing that impressed me about Gary, and I've known a lot of PR people for professional teams in SID's sports information directors. But he is the only person I've known in my career who could say no to you and not make it sound like a negative. He is the very best in the business. And after graduating from Stanford at the age of twenty five he became the youngest sports information director in the country at Stanford and later on became an associate AD, and then a veteran a forty year veteran in college and professional sports administration. He recently retired as the executive director of the foster farms bowl that as opposed season college football game played in the bay area, and he also was a co founder and president of the American basketball league, which was a women's professional basketball league. I did the television play by play for that and Joe lake who owns the Golden State Warriors, one of those who was one of the I guess, money man in that league as well. So he's had a very, very interesting career. He also did something else. He co produced a documentary film on professional football. It was called disposable heroes. That was honored by several film societies. If you have a chance. To pick it up. I hope you'll take a look at it because what it did was it took a look at the players in the NFL who played and what they went through from a physical standpoint. Now, this was probably fifteen twenty years ago that he produced this. But if you think about the injury factor in the National Football League today, the concussion factor in the NFL today as well. You're going to find this very eye opening. So, again, this documentaries called disposable heroes and I hope you'll check it out. So we're ready to crank it up when we come back. Gary Colley joins us in you on sports byline deed, we believe resume is great, we to see an overview of candidate, but you're not hiring a resume hiring person. 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Staples were, there's a whole lot in store and six twenty nine nineteen in-store only exclusions apply to associate for details. This is America's sports talk show sports. Byline USA. Here's ron. Here he Cavalli joins me here on sports by line after graduating from Stanford back in nineteen seventy one at the age of twenty five he became the youngest sports information director in the country at Stanford and later became an associate athletic director. He's a forty year veteran in college and professional sports administration. He recently retired as the executive director of the foster farms bowl, which was opposed season college football game played in the bay area. He also was a co founder and president of the American basketball league, women's professional basketball league. And he has done so many things, I think of jack-of-all-trades master of none, but I know you better than that, because you have mastered, quite a few things. Thanks, appreciate it. When you think back on those forty years. What is the thing that surprises you the most about sports, Gary? You know, I think probably the backed it's become so commercial and so business oriented, I think back to the days when I was a student Stanford back in the late sixties early. Seventies, you know we had some great teams Jim Plunkett, a classmate of mine, and Bob Moore and Randy Todd semen all those great players. And I think back to win. When we took a took the field of play a great team like USC, no TV cameras. No logos on the field, I know signs in the stadium no logos on the players jerseys. It was a much simpler game in those days, you know, it was all about the competition in the school, and the Ravel re and, you know, nowadays, every game is on television, you know back then there was one game the ABC game of the week. You know, now there's eighty eighty games on every Saturday on about nine ten eleven different platforms. We have conferences to have their own networks now. So it's a business. You know, it's become a business in to me. It's the biggest change over the, the forty years, I have been involved. Can you put your finger on the crossover point when it went from what it was to what it is? Well, the tipping point was in the nineteen eighties when Notre Dame and Oklahoma. In a few of the other big name schools, the NCAA, same that you really can't or shouldn't be able to control television of college football. And so instead of one game in why can't be to five or ten why can't we control our own rights? And you know when they won that lawsuit. Everything started to change. So in the mid eighties, and it's just sort of taken off from there, cushy salaries. No you and I were very close to Bill Walsh. When, when we hide Bill Walsh, and eighteen seventy seventy salaried staffer was forty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars, you know, and you get coaches making six seven million a year. So it's, it's huge, huge business in, I think some of that purity some that college enthusiasm and rivalry income rider has been lost. You go back to Stanford. And when I was. The play by play there. I think the hope of any Stanford alum, and maybe even the players to some degree is that we're going to be competitive this year. Maybe we'll get invited to a bowl game it really has changed and why it has it changes because of the money. That's they're not just at Stanford but across the board. Yeah. I think the expectation now I've been involved business the last fifteen years. And when we started there were twenty five bowls now his forty one and there's five more cities, lined up to do bulls next year, we had a five and seventeen in our game. Fortunately, it was the Brassica in Mike rallies, when the great guys in the world, but should five and seven teams be playing games. Probably not. So it's gone from being something really special reward for teams to being an expectation. You know that seventy five percent teams to play games now almost in bulk games. And every six and six team feels like they should have a place in every conference Commissioner. That's what they wanna do. They wanna have a landing spot through. Every quote bowl eligible team in their conference. And that's why so many games have been created often with the support of conferences in often with the support of yes, PM, ESPN owns thirteen games. Now, don't you think that the bowl system is really in trouble and may even go away because of the bowl championship series because people have really become interested in the games that mean something whereas, who cares about something that is between two teams, maybe you've heard of a have a five seven record as you said, I don't know what the value is in how the financial support can be. Well, it's, it's kind of involved, you know, in I see both sides of the spectrum. So let me take the sight you just took. Which is, I think very accurate, very possible. If forty one games now the only ones of lot of people pay attention to are the playoffs or the six bowls that rotate the playoffs through them. Then there's about fifteen bowls down. I don't I don't wanna call them. Bottom feeders. I hate to use that term. But voles that features sun belt. Mid American conference USA, most of them are owned by ESPN, and they don't have very high. Patsy pay those teams very little to come to those bowls. But the guys in the middle are really getting squeezed. The guys that have the third fourth fifth place teams in the big conferences, the power five conferences are being forced to pay you Yuji amounts of money to the conferences. But the public doesn't care about him much anymore, you know, they're so focused on number one in who's who's in the playoffs ESPN in August star there at campaign in their ads slogan was who's in who's in this is network to televise fifteen games weekend. But all were focused on from day, one of the college football season was who's in the playoffs in you've got that Tuesday afternoon show where they unveil the rankings in so the rest of this really to a large extent are being made to feel like shop liver, and I think that's reinforced taking the other side of the equation. When when people say that bowl games were meaningless. Don't tell that to the kids who played them. Don't tell it to the kitchen planum we've had twenty eight teams play in the bull game. I used to run in those kids were excited to be there. They had a great week in San Francisco. And I'll tell you those fourteen winning teams were really excited. It wasn't meaningless to them. Yeah. I'm sure it's not meaningless to them. But if you think about the economics of the game today, the money and you've talked about this with may, and I've heard from other people there are teams that go to bowl games, lose money, very true, you know, and it's, it's partly because of the fact that I mentioned at the conferences are demanding so much money now as payouts they've also on the flip side don't wanna buy tickets. So it used to be that a bull would pay a certain amount of money in conferences, would allow of tickets and the risk for the bowl game wasn't nearly as great will now they want more money, and they wanna buy fewer tickets. So you know there's a lot of balls. Ours included that really struggling financially because of that. So when you said is the bowl system in trouble, that might be a slight overstatement, but. But it's getting there in, in in, you know, who's a huge proponent of the balls said after this year's championship game. I'm worried I'm worried can the playoffs in all the bulls figure coexist. I also think that when you take a look at the bowl system as we haven't right now that it's really on almost unfair to some teams, you've got the five and seven teams that had to be included because there were enough teams that qualified at six and six in, so I don't know where clarity is going to come in this, what has to happen, then Gary to make it vital will bubbles be used to be the athletes record Stanford. Now as a Commissioner of the big twelve has been asked head up a subcommittee of the NCAA special task force to look at this issue. How do we make sure that the teams that are playing in bowls deserve to be there in how we don't keep adding more bowls and having to have five and seven, but Bob actually raise a question in it interview last week? What are we re hitting two four eight four eight teams? We can't certify five more. Nls you know it's just it's just crazy. So some of the ideas that have that have been suggested because it's really is mentioned the two drivers. Now our conferences, the one place for every team in TV networks program. So we'll one of the things by mention just thinking out loud, was what if we penalize the conference? Right. So if if there aren't enough teams in a conferences signed an agreement with a bowl in can't provide a team that conference should have to pay penalty. I think that's a good idea. And other would be a bull has to go dark for examples bowl can't have a team has two good dark for year. That bowl could be put business because then the next year people are saying, are they really going to be able to play? Are they going to have team? And by the way, what happens to the other team the team was ready to play. And now has no opponent. So Bob suggested or somebody on Bob's committee, suggested not only do they have to reimbursable but they have to use penalty. So it's going to have to take something drastic like that. I think to stop the flood of bowl games. Because we'd definitely reached or maybe even pass ration- point. Well, if you're an idea, even the president of a college or university that gets invited to a bowl, but they end up losing money by sending their team sending their band, sending their cheerleaders to is it really worth doing. I mean I know the value to the athlete that wants to play in an extra game. But to me, take a look at the university of California, which has had financial problems with their athletic program. There are other programs around the country to that are that are losing money as well. I think at sometimes some point you have to run this thing as business, don't you? Well, you know, the, the old cleaned that bulls were Lenny, losing propositions for teams early true anymore because all the money is paid directly to the conference. So you signed a deal with conference, for example, you signed a deal with conference a and you pay them x amount of money to get a certain pick, you signed a deal conference be and you pay them minimally against all the other bowls that are related with those con. France's do the same thing. And they pay the money to the conferences in the conferences in the teams have an agreement that this is the amount of money should spend, if you go over that money that number you're paying for that they reimbursed teams for expenses, they reimbursed teams for some of their tickets that they were unable to sell so that the conferences, have really made it a conference wide enterprise. So it's really unfair anymore to say teams lose money going to balls because all goes through the conferences in last year millions and millions and millions of dollars were paid to those conferences, and the the excess of money receive over expenses was about one hundred million dollars. So there's there's, there's a lot of profit still being made. It's the bold now that are at risk because of the man that they have to pay out. Gary Cavalli is with us. I've known Gary for very long time. And he was the sl sports information, director at Stanford. When we met went onto become the associate athletic director. There has been around sports and sports administration for over forty years. We'll continue. Talking with him as we continue across the country and around the world. We've got to America's sports talk show, sports byline. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. But you have the time or the ability to write your book, maybe you picked up some skills, or head a life experience, that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you wanna leave autobiography for your family, or maybe you built a successful business and you wanna share your story at Dorrance publishing company. 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That's eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one. Call now. This is America sports, talk show, sports, byline USA. Here's Ron bar. Gary Cavalli is with us in the studio and again a forty year veteran in college and professional sports administration. A retired as the executive director of the foster farms bowl played here in the San Francisco area. Let me take you back to another part of your outstanding career, which is the co founder and president of the American basketball league, which was a women's professional basketball league pre WNBA a little bit about the seed of that. How that came about, well, it was kind of interesting. It was really more of a personal thing with the founders. There were three of us in crypts and Steve hams, and we, we had something in common we all had daughters, and we all had daughters that love to play basketball and some were better players than others. In in. I had both con Stanford and we ended up in business together in sitting at the Maples pavilion watching all these great players Jennifer as and Sonya hitting Kate star bird, all these amazing players Stanford and they had no place to go. They had no place to go that were no pro leagues in the in the United States, and some of them would end up in Spain or Russia or Italy Israel playing basketball, and we started wondering why isn't there a league you know, in the United States? So we did a lot of research. We saw that there were some that have been started back in the eighties. Seventies had failed and you know why did they fail? And what were some of the things we can learn from the failures before? So we got together and put a puts investors together got a great broadcast around bar. And, and, you know, we held tryouts in the city of Atlanta and, and sent notices out all over the world. And how about seven hundred players show up. I they wanted to play basketball, the United States of America. So it was kind of like a person. Thing and then seeing that there was a need certainly basketball acceptable in this country. But primarily people knew it as a men's basketball, what were the challenges of getting a broad audience in accepting women's professional basketball is there still are challenges today run, you know, it's, it's still it's still a challenge for the WNBA but, you know, back then we started our league back in nineteen ninety six and they were I think the biggest challenge we faced Ron was was nobody believed that could be done. You know, everybody said it's been tried failed and nobody likes women's basketball. You'll never get started. You'll never raise enough money you'll never get sponsors. You never get any players. And so they were the naysayers so, so getting past that belief that everybody had that it was doomed was, was really the biggest challenge. And then, you know, we didn't have a lot of people backing us because they were scared of losing their money. They were coaches that were unwilling to, to leave successful college programs to coach a startup basketball. And then there are all these rumors that may be the NBA was finally gonna do somethin'. So those were the channels that we were were battling what we were offering was the chance for women to play in the United States of America in earner, real living, you know, we, we paid a real salary. You know we didn't pay twenty grand. We paid him any the average in our league seventy or eighty thousand dollars. We paid the Olympia, a minimum of a hundred and it was going to be a six month by six months season that just two months season and we wanted them to have job, and they had of waste and everything. Okay. How long shorts some of the TV networks wanted us to have girls were short shorts in what ball do we use? We use the international baller. The domestic ball is there. You know what's, what's the three point line? Do we play quarters do we play half's? So we had we had the women had advisory committee of mostly the Olympic team back in nineteen ninety six we had nine of the twelve people Therese Edwards and Jennifer easy and dawn Staley and they advised us on all this. Things. And I think when we got that buy in from the players, the year gonna have voice in this league and we're gonna have benefits maternity benefits, we're gonna have all kinds of things child care that people never did before we get more and more of the players who wanted to be a part of our league. Why didn't succeed? Oh, gosh. I think you know we did. Well, we had good players, but we were never able to really draw a usage number of fans are our audiences average, like four thousand five thousand game. But when the NBA after our first year threw down the gauntlet and said that they were going to start their own league. It made it very, very difficult for us to get sponsors into get TV because the big networks and the big sponsors did not want to cross the NBA and they're still struggling today. The NBA this year had another year of decrease in their attendance. They claimed they average seven thousand but he watched the games it sure didn't look like that. You know actually went to a game. Sacramento headed team in Sacramento by five years ago. And I carried the crowd actually did I counted every person in the stands, and it was twenty five hundred insure enough in the paper, that it was announced as five thousand crowd. So I know they're struggling, but to their credit, particularly the new guy Adam silver. They're really a really committed. They wanna have this league continue. They want there to be a women's basketball league in the United States. People asked me, do you want the WNBA NFL? No, heck no. I mean I want there to be league in this country. I wish it had been ours, because I think, frankly, we did things better. But we, we definitely need a league. The biggest problem they have is because they're trying to make it financially. They're still not paying anybody very well. And so most of the players in the WNBA have to go overseas. They still are going overseas to play. Yeah, one of the things I wonder about is, whether they'll ever be embraced, meaning women's professional basketball because I think the image in people's mind, especially if you look at the professional basketball area, you look at the great players that they. Have they play the game? Above the rim women don't do that. They play more of a team oriented thing, and I think everybody's kind of acclimated we always want to see the best even though women are good at what they do. It's not in comparison to the men's get that's very true. You know, we had an ad we used to run for the John wooden was talking about women's basketball players. How it was the way the game was supposed to be played in the teach is they have very few players dunk. You know, when it's went dunks, too big deal and people love to see dunks. You know, you look at the highlights on ESPN or whatever station, and, and then Secondly shooting percentages aren't as good in another warriors have introduced in her playing amazing brand of basketball right now that features a lot of teamwork and a lot of the beauty of the game of basketball, not as much pounding inside and dunking but they make a lot of shots. I mean they're shot percentages incredible. Whereas women have not been able to she have a percentage. So what's the what's the ceiling? I really don't know. I still think they would do better. They being the WNBA. If they played in basketball season, in the summer, I still question, whether a lot of people wanna go inside and in July watch basketball game. Wouldn't you be in conflict with the college women's college game then too as well? You would there's no right answer. You know if you play during the season, there's so much going on that you're competing with the end of football competed, pro basketball. But if you played off season it just makes it seem second rate. It really does. I don't know whether you've seen the story not, but Ivy league football coaches have decided to take the extrordinary step of eliminating all full-contact hitting from practices during the regular season, the most aggressive measure, yet to combat growing concerns about brain trauma and other injuries in the sport. Now you've been around this as sports information director, you've been around the sport. In other ways as well when you look at where we are with the injury factor in football. How concerned are you about this game as to the way it's being played today? I think it's a real issue. I think it's a real concern. I mean the. Football coaches association and the college football fame have become very very aggressive in defending the sport of football. And if you go to their website, you listen to speeches at they're getting they're saying, our sport is under attack. And when you have the president states and Brett farve, another people say, they don't know if they let their kid play football boy, that shakes some people up. I it makes people sit back and go. Whoa, wait. A minute. You and I, you know, I've been down the silence, you know, watching football games played, and I've been in locker rooms, and I've seen and heard the toll it takes on people's bodies. And, you know, they can design the best helmet world official pads and all that. But boy, when you have two guys running that hard in diving each other in that side in the people of that size, you're gonna have injuries and you're gonna have serious injuries. So people can have to decide, you know, he's at worth it in. I think the answer is still going to be. Yes. But you're going to see people pulling their children and their kids and their high school players out of the sport in Dereck. Getting them in other directions. I don't know that you can justify it. You know, I've thought about it from my perspective. If I had a boy that wants to play football would I let him play I suppose, I would alternately if they understood the dangers that do exist in the sport. But when you see how fast and how big these players are getting. There's nothing you can do from an equipment standpoint that's going to negate the power of the game with bigger faster players. There's nothing you can do. I mean it's almost comical. I know you've done this to you go back. And you look at some of the great games from the past, you know the the game they call the greatest game ever played with the colts and that they look like they're running in slow motion, they really do. You know, and you just don't see guys flying around the field like you now, launching themselves. They, it looks like it since lotion, I think between nutrition and training and the size and speedy athletes. It's much different than it was in twenty years ago. It's a different game. We've got about thirty seconds left. But quickly, what do you? Think are where do you think the gay might be saying another ten years? Well, I think you know, there's a big emphasis now and kids playing flag football up into a certain age. I think that's going to continue to exceleron but I think it will still be around. I think it'll be a great game but I think a larger percentage appearance are going to pull their kids director of sports. Gary volley with us in the studio again after graduating from Stanford at the age of twenty five he became the youngest sports information director in the country at his mater. And then later became an associate AD he's done many, many things in sports. 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And there's a couple of links we can go and just watching online and what was the thought process behind doing that? Well, I wanna credit Bob more the great Stanford tight end who later played many years in the NFL for the raiders, he was actually the first player drafted the expansion draft by the Bay Buccaneers. But when I go back a long way, and he was going to law school, Stanford and got his degree. And then he he went to work for the NFL players association and he kept seeing these players in the trouble. They were having just into life after football. He saw some of them, you know, their marriage is go down the tubes. Others couldn't walk. This were so despondent that they committed suicide. And so we got the other one eighty care. I think there's a heck of a movie here documentary, and I won't bore you with how long it took us to get the thing funded and, and produce it probably took about five years, but we struggled, but we finally got it done. Bob did most of the heavy lifting. But you look at that film today and it and it goes in all of the things I just mentioned. But there is very little mention of concussions in very little mention that it was all about missing the camaraderie, and it was about never having that rush in that thrill playing in this being the locker room with all those guys and we talked about injuries, but it was mostly knees shoulders, and things like that. I think one player Jim Otto in, in the movie mentioned he'd had about fifteen concussions, but that was the only time concussions were mentioned. Another guy that was featured movie. Interesting enough was J Simpson. So he looked back on that now. And I think we, we had we had the germs of something that became much deeper more serious, one of the things I remember. About the documentary is the I guess he was in his room. It was kind of a darkened room on talking about Jim on the hall of Famer. And he talked about how long it took him to get out of bed, and he then listed all the different surgeries and the problems and injuries that he had, it was so powerful think the two most powerful for me in the movie were that were were the scene with, with auto, not only about the dark room watching him put his pants on it took him five minutes to get dressed go to his pants on in yet. He's one of lucky ones he still really, really sharp. He's got successful business at a great frame of mind. But he's got used physical problems result. It was planning Roger Stillwell. We talked about Stanford lot today, but it Roger was all American with Chicago with Stanford was the early first-round pick of the Chicago Bears had a great first couple of seasons. And then he had a horrible knee injury. I mean one of the worst knee injuries you've ever seen and never played again in he their seat. In the movie when he's crying. He's talking about how he misses football. He's tried to adapt. And it was it was really powerful here. Maybe you can help me here because I've asked this question before athletes that is the fact that in talking to athletes over my career. I have never had one. Tell me that no matter how they feel today. It wasn't worth it. And I'm just wondering what was the mindset that allow these guys to go out and do that knowing what could happen, especially today, when there's more information out there, but even back when you did this film about those athletes. One wasn't that allow them to do this to themselves with? That's a great question and a great point in your right? I've had the same conversation with dozens of the hundreds of athletes, guys, you can hardly walk in in. Would you do it again? Absolutely. Absolutely. Even though you can't walk, you know, even though you can't get down the floor and play with your kids, and they all said they did over, you know, obviously, we can't talk to the ones who died, you know, who had that CT e. Junior ceo. Yeah. In, but they I is something about that game really more so than the others were just a, a Russia thrill of playing football and the competitive the competitive fear that those people have makes them want to do it, even if they know they're at risk over the years, that you've been in sports, you've certainly met a lot of accomplished, athletes, and people that went on and did things in private life as well. And I'm just wondering some of your favorite stories some of the commonality that you found among great athletes. Great people as well. Let's tough one. I think, you know, guys that I re- recall, the most, I'm sure you do the athletes, and the coaches that you've had relationships with, you know, I think the greatest day in sports is the relationships. You know, the friends the struggles that you go through together. You know, the highs and the lows and when we were at Stanford back in the sixties early seventies, we could not beat USC every year. It was the same thing, you know, and those were the days when only the championship team in the pack. Twelve pack eight moves days went to a bowl game. So you can go nine in one and you lose to SE and they go to the Rose Bowl and you stay home. And so getting over that mountain was the real cause lab for the Plunkett in the Bob more. Is there any ties the world and I was there with them as fortunate I didn't play but I was a PR guy and got to be closed. And so the software year we lost twenty seven twenty four OJ Simpson ran from about nine hundred yards. And, and then junior year we lost twenty six twenty four on a last second field goal. And that senior year when Stanford finally beat SE again, it was Bob more making a great touchdown pass from Plunkett. Everybody ran out of the stadium in the see this kind of excitement at Stanford and they tore down the goalposts, and I still have a piece of that goal post. But I think it was Plunkett. I really do Plunkett could've gone pro after his junior year, and he would have been the first pick. And he said, no. I'm coming back as one piece of unfinished business. We have we, we need to win the Rose Bowl and Desi in they did. And then twenty years fast forward twenty five or thirty years, fast forward. Andrew luck had same option, and he made the same decision come back and came close. They had a great season. But I think they lost were indeed. Go the Rose Bowl but Andrews Plunkett, both were too great guys made the decision to come back to be with their team. So remember guys like that. Remember the two sport athletes like James Lofton still. I think the best athlete I've ever seen. I mean is NC lung champion in the best receiver in college football, one have Greek crew with Green Bay Packers. Of course you and I shared the incredible experience of being close to Bill. All she I was going to bring the commonality. We both had we were both. I was doing Stanford's football games that time. Gary was the sports information director in probably associated Durra athletic director at the same time. And I'm just wondering when we both look back. On bill. Walsh. What did you think made him so special and successful? Well, I think two or three things. I mean, he was maybe the most creative coach I've ever seen. And I've worked with a lot of coaches over the years, but Bill would be it'd be sitting having a beer glass of wine with Bill he'd have the napkin in a pencil, and he'd be designing play, you know, as you talking to him and having a beer with him. And he his mind, never rested, he was always thinking, you know, I can I make that better. How can I improve? And, you know, he had a couple of bad calls that haunted him the rest of his life. I saw a couple of months before he died. He was still talking about this bad call, he made once he gave a Stanford nece- yet Darrin Nelson throw a pass from the five yard line and Ronnie Lott. Intercepted in the end zone. Eight haunted him until his death. You know, the other thing would be as sense of humor. You know, he has the famous famous story with the forty Niners about when he dressed up as the Bellman, but it was a funny story. It Stanford where it is. I day as head coach member now he hadn't been head. Coach before it was forty five years old. And he thought he was going to be the head coach Cincinnati Bengals didn't get the job went to the charges for year and then and then Stanford hired him. And then you have a lot to do with them getting the job with the forty Niners. But his first day at Stanford he had a great crowd around the yet he had any green went on to become a great coach. George Siefert nor pecker who had been head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. He was very nervous airy nervous. So he sat down at this big wooden table conference table, and he wanted to cool. So he put his feet up on the table, and he held the first staff meeting with his feet up on the table. But at one point in the meeting, he got so excited that he fell backward and landed on his back on his rear end in the in the chair and everybody in the room, couldn't help, but they started laughing, you know, so two years later Bill gets hired by the forty Niners and he calls the staff together, and he says, I got to tell you guys and so he pushes himself down and falls back again. He goes, this is the way. Came in. This is the way I'm going. My favorite story, of course, is the Astro bluebottle bowl, which they went up against the university of Georgia, and it was fifteen nothing Georgia at the end of the first half. And the second half kickoff goes to Georgia was Vince Dooley's team. By the way, they go ninety yards down the field they're up twenty two to nothing. And now this is on New Year's Eve and Eddy, DeBartolo is back at Youngstown Ohio at his home there with all his friends around, you know, and they've been talking, and it looks like he's going to go there and everything and Stanford comes back and six and a half minutes. They scored twenty five points. They win the game twenty five twenty two. So I'm walking off the field with Bill. We stop in the middle of the astrodome. And I said, Bill, what the hell went through your mind when you saw Georgia take that second half kickoff and go ninety yards. He said, Ron, all I could think of was two things and he was back in Youngstown at his house with all his family, friends around. He had a horn in his mouth and a hat on his head saying this is this offense of genius. I'm going to hire. And he said the other thing was, I looked at the scoreboard and all I could see dollar signs flying out the window. God that was an amazing game. You're right. I mean and you know they after they went up twenty two nothing. They were driving again. And then they fumbled and Gordy Saraceno linebacker made the tackle and stripped ball recovered it and we went score they got the ball again. And he did the same thing twice associated caused the fumble. And I didn't think recovered it the second time and then all of a sudden Stanford got going as you said, one twenty five twenty two well Darrin Nelson had the the key comment about the game. He said, once I saw that their linebacker had high top sneakers and shoes on, I knew we were going to win this game. It was something for both of us to be around a man like him. And when I think about his legacy, I go back to one game in the early days, when they, you know, he took over a team that had gone to and fourteen and really had struggled when when Eddie hired him and there was a game. I think it was the third game of the season because I had done the Stanford game against Boston College, and then I came down on Sunday to New York, and they were playing against the jets. They had Joe Montana, Dan. Steve Berg is the quarterback. And Steve Berg had laryngitis but they fixed up a helmet where they could he could magnify his voice to help while they go down. And they get on about the two yard line and what they do is run. One play don't get in run two plays, don't get in and then before the third play Steve Burgas punning, pointing to his helmet like something's wrong with that system and everything. So he pulls him out and they bring Joe in. Well, here's a rookie quarterback and everything Joe, then runs the patented bootleg around for the touchdown. It was. Nothing wrong with his helmet. That was planned by Bill in advance. I mean, that's how the man was he thought about these things. I mean I mean how many people how many coaches think about, well, what if we get down on the two yard, I can't get in the first time and my quarterbacks audible system, you know, trying to magnify voice doesn't work. It was amazing one specific memory about him over the years that you were friends with him as well as worked with him as well as there's something that's indelible in your mind about him. I think the sense of humor, but also the precision of his thought thought process when he was when he was hiring his staff, you know, in for some reason, there were a lot of people in the department in those days, you know, it was back when the athlete department was five people, so, you know, the sl d in those days became very close to the coach. So we were really close knit come that every day. He'd say let me tell you what I'm looking for my running back coach, and he literally described, then agreed. He's, you know, I want a guy that played running back in college. Hopefully too big conference. I'd rather have a black coach. If I can he's got to be aggressive recruit, or he's gotta haven't really outgoing personality relate to these kids and then, like two weeks later, he came down, and his daddy, green, Brent was a running back and Isla incredible personality by coach, who, of course, one hundred great things, but that was the depth of his thought process. And, and he was that way every position he had an exact model of what he wanted for that position coach to be. And, you know, that's how we ended up with people like see for green hepker. And it was a rod, our it was an amazing staff. And I wish you know, Stanford had him for two years went to the forty Niners. And he came back came back again. But I think the sense of humor in the precision, and the creativity or the things, and he was a great friend, as you know, he, he leaves lifetime friend in football, misses him and all of us, who had the honor and privilege to work with miss him in about forty seconds. When you think back over forty years, I'm sure it was a blink of the eye for you. But what makes you smile the most about the profession? You've been in. I think the thing I remember the most is the time that my daughter made a three pointer in the seventh grade basketball game at Saint Nicholas high school to beat the best team in the league that's probably the island I was coaching the team. I was never the greatest athlete in the world. But the opportunity to coach my three daughters for twenty one years, honestly, was more fun, even the four years spent working in college and pro football, but it's three Latian ships, you know, whether it's your daughter that you watch hit a game, winning basket or running back. Darrin Nelson, the becomes one of your best friends, or an incredible man, like Bill ause. You work with those are the things. Remember, I might just add to that story his daughter came in the next week and ask for an increase in her allowing way. By the way, because she made that Gary. I wanna thank you, not only for what you've done in sports. But also for your friendship over a long period of time. Gary, by the way, was my best man when I got married. So I do know how to make one good decision. Thank you. My friend on my pleasure. Gary Cavalli with us. And again, he's left his Mark on sports, but he's also left. His Mark on a lot of other professionals sports as well. We continue with more of you and America's sports talk. Rebuild or replace transmission. Thirty two hundred dollars brake-system a thousand dollars Davila replace engine twenty four hundred dollars through this once you're manufacturer's warranty runs out. It's all on you every last cent. 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Advocates say some of those kids were wearing dirty clothes covered him. Eucharist and even urine. None of the children had access to soap or toothpaste after twenty two years in office. Republican Senator Susan Collins no longer representing the interests of main residence. At least that's according to her newest challenger, Kevin. Bo has the story in announcing her campaign to unseat Collins, twenty twenty main house speaker, Sarah Gideon sites Collins, controversial vote supreme court Justice bread cavenaugh in her support for Donald Trump's two thousand seventeen tax cuts as examples of being out of touch. Have spell where one and a half trillion dollar tax cut would given mostly the corporations and the wealthiest families in America meters were totally left behind by that. That was a Bill that benefited people who don't let in the state, Julian also pointed out that cones tax cut vote pave the way for a legal challenge to keep people from losing their health insurance because of preexisting conditions. Getting is the most permanent democrat to announce progressive activists and lobbyists Betsy sweet who finished third in the democratic primary, for governor two thousand eighteen announced last week that she was also running for Collins, as US Senate seat Collins senior fifth term in office this year. She earned sixty eight percent of the vote, last time she ran for reelection and anew report documents shift of manufacturing jobs away from northeastern states as about effecting sector has shrunk overall through report from the Georgetown University center on education in the workforce, says. The nineteen forties. Almost a quarter of all jobs were in manufacturing. And those jobs were concentrated in just fifteen states, including Pennsylvania. But since nineteen forty seven more than three million manufacturing jobs have been lost, even as economic output grew by four trillion dollars. According to keystone research center, executive director Steven Hertzen Berg, seventy years ago forty percent of jobs in Pennsylvania, or in manufacturing. But by twenty sixteen that had declined to eight percent. We haven't really had state or national policies to stem that decline effectively or to make sure that enough middle class jobs in the rest of the economy through report shows that these service sector counting for only twenty one percent of jobs in nineteen forty has grown to more than half of all jobs nationwide. I'm Andrea Sears reporting it well summer provides a break from school. It could also be a season of hugger for some kids. Eric Tegel explains Washington, congress. 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Deep field if it it's. Twenty nineteen. Speak on, of course T baseball history to over twenty eight straight games. Loan tonight. Now back to sports overnight America with Jeffrey come near to chew bubble and kick. Jay lemay. Hugh, making major league baseball history. Welcome back. It's Wirtz overnight America everyone. I am. Jeff rich. Follow along odd Twitter at Jeff rich talks. We are talking New York Yankees. We are talking twenty eight games in a row with a home run. And, you know, I mentioned that the last failed to home run to hit the ball out of the ballpark on may twenty fifth and the crazy thing about this today was that they wasted very little time in getting it done. Bottom of the first inning. It's digital Mayhew leading off the game with a home run, and it is Aaron judge going back to back and all the judge superlatives. We're really muffed the show. I think that we heard wait, you much all rise. And here comes the judge and the truth is judges been nursing an injury. And he has been out of action for the. Achey cents. Well he's not homered since April twentieth. Four twenty four twenty last time. Aaron judge hit a home run for the New York Yankees the keys playing impressive baseball. You've predicted this when they when they acquire Giancarlo Stanton, it only gotten better. I mean you go through the all-star ballot. It's just full of New York Yankees in you'll part of that is the New York market. But part of that is, you know, Luke Voight seventeen home runs. Forty six RBI that Opie esta for that. We get ourselves hung up on because he is far behind Carlos Santana and CJ crown in the average category. But Luke Voight, you know, one of those candidates for the starting position at first base DJ LeMay. Hugh in the running at second base. And he's got the old school stats. He's got that three twenty two batting average. The fifty eight Opie s is nice that, that tops Thomas Stella at Jose altuve. AO time Stella good. Start for the angels against the reds last. I checked the angels, repeating up on the reds lot of league action and we've gotten so far away. From thinking about it. But here we are at the end of June. And this is when interleague series we're typically laid until we went fifteen and fifteen. We used to have an imbalance between the American League and the National League. We put sixteen teams in the nationally fourteen teams in the American League and that we teams play every day without having to have an inner Lee, you know, necessary interleague series to start and end the season. That's a little strange. Strange when you. When you aren't finishing first of all division rival though, we've got you know, we're six five now so we've got. We don't we don't even make that possible anymore. So you're gonna play some strangers but he you know, here we are got a lot of interleague games on the slate. Mary McMorris Fowler on Twitter at Mary MC Mara. M. C. M. A R, A H and, you know, she doesn't tweet much, but she's got your final scores coming your way. Here. Shortly going through the you know the American League finalist for the all-star game over at third base Jill on your shelhah. I think shortstop shortstop position. You've got to our so the entire Yankees veal and then outfielders you know that there's a lot more of those guys. Let's see we, we do have air judge who hasn't played much. But, you know, it's the popular vote. Austin meadows. Yeah, the designated hitter. You don't have a New York Yankee there. So others a little bit of relief. There's a little bit of relief somewhere on the way. I don't think that they've got. Yeah, I think they've got a catcher. Gary sanchez. Twenty three home runs, that'll do it for you. So you he's across the board. Are you're not on the keys yet. I've been talking about it for like six minutes here. Four minutes baby tires hockey about the keys. You know, I used to get tired of hearing people talk about how much they hate the cause I just dig the eighties were that much worthy of the attention and they've had some. Valleys along the way. Peaks, too. They owned Boston Philly verse nine years, almost ten full years. Of interleague play. Of divisional play rather. More divisional wildcard wildcard play where two teams can make the playoffs. Tortured Boston in the playoffs used to be, when you had the AL west in the AL east, Boston made the playoffs or New York made the playoffs. Yeah, that, that thing in seventy eight where they have the one game playoff and everybody in Boston hated Bucky dent for, you know, for about eight years. And then they moved on to. I'm gonna say Buki Wilson, I ought to respect for Bill Buckner. I hate defining Bill Buckner by that one moment in time. And then you got you know you go through that whole thing in eighty six with, with, with the other New York team. And then they get tortured more by the Yankees in two thousand three and it looks that way four, you know, of course, they come back from the three oh deficit do the Red Sox and be between them. No four 'cause Yankees lost World Series at three, just like they did not want. So you could you know, you could arguably say that the Red Sox put the final nail in the coffin. That was the the Yankees dynasty because they were still winning the American League. Ninety six ninety eight ninety nine two thousand two thousand one the angels, two thousand three. Era apartments thousand two, then you had the ankles right back there and over three and they look like they're going back and forth, and then they were they were out of it for a while. Are they? They didn't make the playoffs in two thousand eight. Yeah. Only when the World Series in two thousand nine. But, you know, it's a ten it's headful years. You we're on the ten year anniversary of Jackson and Farah Fawcett dying on the same day. We're also on the ten year. We're, we're in the, you know, the season, it is the ten year removal for on the keys beating the Phillies in the World Series. Their only World Series since beating that sense. You know in two thousand. You'll be going on this, and the other soul rant today. I don't mean any disrespect of the people in New York. I'm sure that, you know, I I don't talk about fan bases. I used to I think that I've got outgrown it because us to take personally, when I would hear something like this, you know, this ever university study that the Browns have the twenty seventh best fan base. I referenced this thing I just, I'm just gonna reference that. Willie mcginest goes on the NFL network and he's defending the Browns. I don't really care what you think of our fan base. If we had the greatest fans and I, you know, mcluhan Browns fan I'm a clevelander when I say we talking about Cleveland, I'm not talking about we as in, I'm a member of the Browns. I wouldn't do that as a member of the media, and I wouldn't do that, as you know, as a dull that has some respect for myself. I understand that they're the football team. I'm the guy that watches. I'm the guy that supports it. But you know I'm also the guy that wants to wants to just see wins on the field. I don't really care about, you know, online polls and best fan, bases and the cover of the cover of Madden. Twenty twenty. Just go out there and the games. And maybe that's just a little bit of fatigue. Maybe I could play all these little peripheral games. Think about all these superfluous things. But not after not after twenty years of frustration. Twenty four seasons. No playoff victories. It's been longer than that, for the Bengals and it was a long time for the Kansas City Chiefs as well. Speaking of the bungles, they, they've, they've got some more misfortune with a yet another first round draft pick. We'll talk about that. And I love it more on the other side. I in fact on the other side. Mary got those final spores from major league baseball. I'm jeffords. This is sports overnight. A Barrick on Dan. Patrick radio Sirius XM channel to eleven. We're on the sports byline broadcast network. We'll be right back. This is sports overnight, America. Attention to anyone. That's written a book. A wants to write a book. The process is not that complicated take a first step. Even if you write a page day you build momentum and your book will become a reality, the hard part is getting it published. That's when you need to call Page Publishing. They've got hundreds and hundreds of thank yous from different new authors, just like you. They make the process of publishing your new book and getting it sold online, a simple process, you can learn how simple it is right now by calling for your free Page Publishing new author submission kit. One quick three minute phone call. 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The Blue Jays for two three hundred dollars grand slam the top of the ninth push the royals over the Indians, eight to six and the tribe is unable to answer back eight to six. Jeff sad vinyl score. The Tigers lost of the Rangers five to three in the Vattel of the socks. The red ones feet, the white ones again tonight, six to three and the twins top the raise nine four in the National League, the Mets go up early. But the bullpen allows the Phillies back in it. They go on to win seven to five next reserves strikes out ten and gets his fifth straight win. The nationals defeat the Marlins six to one the cubs are unable to beat the Braves. They fall three to kennel Martavis breaks the Diamondbacks record for consecutive games with multiple hits at eight but the snakes still follow the dodgers three two. Amphion Cisco beats Colorado forty-two in interleague action. The Mariners beat the brewers. Eight three Manny. Machado return to Baltimore for the first time since being traded to the dodgers last July. He returns as Padre who signed him in February anyways, next one out of the park, and the Padres beat the Orioles, h three Oakland rallies, Saint Louis seven to three. The astros. Soar past the pirates five to one and yellow week and the reds manager David bell Getty jetted in the reds five to one loss to the angels. And that's a wrap from the MLB and now will throw it back over to Jeff. All right. Thanks very big Mara with your final scores for major league baseball Tuesday night, sports overnight America again. Thanks for staying with us talking a little major league baseball. There's like mitt. We gotta beat the drum for the Yankees at here. They sit six game lead over the champ obey raise to we all little bits talk about with them as well. 'cause I just have touched on it yet. I know. Stories a couple of days old, and it doesn't look like camp is going to do much more than explore the possibility of playing some home games in Montreal. But what circled back to that in a little bit Tampa, six games back Boston. It's still climbing out of that. All they dug for themselves early in the season. Just eight games back. And you know you can make up a game a week. I think is the theory that we in radio. Land have agreed with a major league baseball far as realistic chances to get back in the hunt. And when you when you find yourselves if you gave his back Toronto well out of it, already and Baltimore traded away Manny Machado, thinking, well, you know, we could be terrible with them or terrible without him. And maybe we could get some future capital in the process, Orioles losers. Nine of their last ten I would be willing to bet that they were right around twenty two and. Fifty seven after Seventy-nine games a year ago. Twenty nine games out of first place in the American League east, the surprise of the season, the Minnesota Twins victorious. Watts again tonight they gain a game on the Cleveland Indian SU despite having Brad in six four lead in the bottom of the ninth at home. They give up the grand salami to dosier from the Kansas City, Royals, of course, it was his first grand slam, it, of course he would hit it in Cleveland against the Indians. And the idiots have no answer in the actually. That was the top of the night, the bottom of the night. The Indians just had no answer. Thanks planned, Chicago, Detroit, and Kansas City despite playing the role of spoiler. And then one of the best divisions in baseball is record wise, Houston Astros out to a good lead over the Texas Rangers. But I don't think that you expect it to be Texas. We, we like liked Oakland. A lot of we like Seattle. A lot. Joleon have pieces. They're gonna trout for a long time. But yet Houston clearly the runaway team there in the American League thus far Houston a juicer night off on Tuesday ably. So we'll look over to the nationally. Again, a lot of interleague play going on as well. The Braves up their lead in the National League with victory over the cubs. That's, that's become a kind of a heated non-division rivalry. Of course, it kind of stinks when the team's only late other six or seven times a year. It really develop anything you don't really develop any kind of anima, see or otherwise lingers and get stupid. Like that old thing with hundred Strickland Bryce Harper that went back to two thousand four that Strickland didn't get his get his pound of flesh for five years. So you know he took it up in twenty eighteen you know, I can't linger but you gotta play you gotta play these teams. And I know that nobody wants to have. For major league baseball anymore. Brewers. All right. On the cubs tail that's just going to be close all year. Isn't it with the I like the brewers for for period of time like the cubs for a period of time say Louis just seems like they're a pretty above average team laying in a little bit of a top heavy division. They might be the they might be the focal point. They might be that middle ground there in the National League central division where they're not assured of. And really nobody is 'cause we don't how baseball works over one hundred sixty two games kimes rarely go seventeen in two or nineteen at oh over division rivals. There's, there's a lot of evening out of things. Pittsburgh got Josh bell. You know, I've gone on and on about how excited I am about Josh bell there in Pittsburgh. Cincinnati yes, it's got a big facelift, but they're just you know, there's just in the weeds for a while there, other look it up at two organizations. That are better. I think that Pittsburgh passes up sooner rather than later. I know that the reds have a lot of talent in their farm system, but I expect them to be buried in the National League central for a long period of time. And then you've got dodgers team. And, you know, if you're a little bit older than me or a little bit more interested in what happens there on the left coast. You know, you think back to those dodgers teams of the seventies eighties where they had say and Garvey Davey Lopes Neil they played together for a long time. And they had that same core there for a long time. You might be looking at that with these Los Angeles Dodgers. You look at the zoo as teams that reload or gotta get Yankees. Dodgers. Again. We're gonna get it in the next five years. We might very well get it this year I yell Yankees twins are, you know, don't think about the numbers. Just just, you know, think with your God yet. He's twins a seven game series in the American League, who do you think? Comes out of that. Astras. I know that the Astros got the upper hand two years ago. But these keys are a you know, improvement upon improvement from sixteen seventeen to eighteen to nineteen. I don't think it has anything to do with you manage the club and era Boone, just just out of the way. Just a out of the way. Dave Roberts, Dave Roberts. Does a good job of that. I think. State out of the way. Joe mad might be a little too involved. Snicker does a good job. Stay out of the way in Atlanta. Think about who who's where the managers you hear the most about. Could it be Vicky Calloway, because he manages New York? Bruce bocce. Absolutely having a terrible swansong after not what has to be a hell a hall of fame career. As manager. Me San Francisco after twenty fourteen, you know, I know that if eels like how money but ill fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen. You still come to the ballpark to see these same. They play you don't have a very bonds anymore. And I understand that bonds could have been fairly polarizing. But yeah, just everything that you come to the ballpark for in what you once you're on a guys that played on those World Series teams. And they were young they peak early at, and they just never got back there. You know, they you know, could you say it's a lack of thirst. I don't think that the cubs have gone through that out of the that, the Astros are the Red Sox are dealing with that. I might have said something like that Naperville. But I think that that's a little bit silly. If we were thinking about the season ending today, the American League. Used in the eighties. The twins are winners that you've got got a big logjam. Yeah. Log jam because, you know when it's all said every team will play one hundred sixty two games. He won't have half games. Leaving Texas Boston. I'll two games behind the raise for that top wildcard spot. So it could be close. Oakland not far behind. You could have. You have sixteenths sixteen plan for two spots or five teams plan for once as the case may be. Cleveland not exactly having this season that they had to it. I don't think Boston is either. Texas a little bit surprising right now. Seattle, the stream disappointing little bit hope. You know, that's why you don't get to excite about what you see in April. Yes, the games count. You just don't get you up. You don't worry about you'll, you'll, you'll get to the all star break. You let yourself get at least two independent state, which coming up right around the corner. We'll see major league baseball how things shake out jot. Everybody. Listening out there, the network happy to Abusir Ross. My name's Jeff ridge. It's overnight America Hollis by broadcast. I work, and we'll be right. Oh, there's a dry. Left field. Grand slam. Putter does your lawn about Khanna tattoos. This ball deep till field and. Laser over the months. Turn this is sports overnight America, and we is is gotten away. 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Two thousand three. Finally grew it away. Open up twenty five. Philadelphia Butler down the. I don't get it. Were Aniston attack guys all the way it gives it to rejected now five on -tunities. Slow getting Butler. This is sports overnight. America with your host, Jeff rich on vantage, bowling empire into. Thanks TIMMY, dating yet. Maybe Butler book. Jimmy is all good ideas. Actually go. Everybody. Welcome back. It is sports overnight, America. We are in the three tampering free agency phase of the NBA. It's a period that takes place between the NBA. Ray off the add what everybody waits for. No, not opening night, not the playoffs, but the three agencies of the NBA off season. It's been an adventure to say the least ever since twenty ten when LeBron made a spectacle of leaving cly go to Miami. There were are at least one or two superstars that promise to be on the move this off season. I would expect expect that Christoffersen guess is recite fairly immediately by the Dallas Mavericks. I would suspect that Klay Thompson, finishes his career as a Golden State warrior with no gaps in between, and we all know that Kyrie Irving will no longer be a Boston Celtic. I think the big question. The two questions are quiet, Leonard, does he go to LA. Does he stay into Rondo? Other are pluses and minuses to be had with both scenarios. Kevin durant. Does he go to New York? Does he stay in Oakland or as a cases, San Francisco? Carmelo Anthony get another chance. You know and how about. You know. This whole situation with Jimmy Butler, Philadelphia, let him walk for nothing or can't Houston convinced them. That he's on his way out. And maybe you send him to the Western Conference. And maybe you get a few pieces back exchange rather than losing Jimi baller for nothing. Now let's be honest about Jimmy Butler. What's, what's really gotten you? As he got YouTube. It'd be a final. It didn't work very well for them with you know that situation Minnesota didn't wanna be there. One out of Chicago right away. Sola you know is entire career. It's always been one foot outdoor game in the league. Twenty eleven with the Chicago Bulls didn't start a game. His rookie season. Twenty starts in the twenty twelve twenty thirteen season started every game, he played basically from there on out. Two seasons. You know, one plus in Minnesota. It's all been underwhelming. It's all been underwhelming. I you know, I don't know what you think you're getting with Jimmy Butler. You know, seems like Joe Jackson Joe Johnson rather. Again, the Atlanta Hawks kept throwing money at just because they couldn't do any better. The actually ended up with the New York Knicks and the nets after they moved to Brooklyn. Evan Turner for cafes more. Did you think that that's where Evan Turner's career was heading? So he's gonna be guys that don't pan out as ever Turner. I don't think he is. Should you do better with the second pick than a six man, basically, I think you should? You know, the pelicans hope that, that's what they're getting in. Dymally. Don't eat any rookies in the NBA. You know, really one is enough. You'd like stay on. Got a team that's going to grow together a team where you know where you get value picks like like the Oklahoma City thunder of done. I think that's the way to get it on the Oklahoma. City model. I mean they ended up with hard and Durant and Westbrook. Reggie Jackson along the way. Stephen Adams has been a mainstay there. Serge ibaka? You've had all these players and you watch most of them leave. I mean as a matter of you gotta you gotta pull the trigger. You gotta execute when the musicians in, in the chamber. Waist opportunities. You know, and you look, I you look at bosses wasted opportunity, the last couple of seasons really. Maybe not go back to twenty seventy twenty seventeen. Nobody was beating the nobody was beating caps. Twenty eighteen differ, subtract. Kyrie Irving for the cavilers. It's funny Cavaliers just really are to the conversation at all. Nothing makes nothing exciting makes sense for the Cavaliers. Let let the the young players develop. And a and maybe, you know, maybe you do like you did from twenty ten to twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. You know, hold your breath. Hope hope he comes back. A lot of him to come back. I'll tell you that I'll tell you that. You got three more seasons of maybe playing forty fifty games year for Lakers. He's got to get the help this year this year. You got to Davis. I mean we could see this thing rise and fall very quickly. I think you have to Davis would like to play it LA you'd after a little broad. It's gone. You know, he, he will be the man in LA and they'll put pieces around him. You put Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant on the same team there in Laker land. You don't even need to think about LeBron James. Quite lettered. Would you do if you're quite Leonard probably not going to repeat Toronto? But, but what direction is the Eastern Conference heading. I mean, what's Milwaukee going to do to put themselves over the home? All is gonna be a new team out of out of the blue. Or is this something exists that's got the pieces there? Because Boston Boston should still be good. They haven't really gotten anything don't with Kyrie over the a lot more done without Kyrie Irving last couple of years. Philadelphia without Jimmy Butler blow with Ben Simmons, Joel Embiid still. It's like you just hit the reset button whatever happened last summer. What can you do? If you're Philadelphia. Because I don't think that Houston is looking to. Move hard out and bring, you'll another hero ballplayer, and they're having Jimmy Butler plays a lot worse. Figure Houston speaking to Houston speaking walkie. You really that upset Houston. The guy couldn't get the MVP. I don't get that with the individual. It's like look at things and say, you know, that doesn't make any sense. I mean I could command the PM usually baseball and say that we never gave their jeeter lifetime achievement award. We never use that award. We never found him to be the best player. I think that, that will speak volumes. When you look back at things. So, you know, sometimes when you look at these individual awards, they do carry some weight. Boy, Houston is still a team that loses in the second round to Golden State with Chris fall without James harden. You take you take Grupo off the. No Ocoee box. And your team led by Chris medals in you think that's a contender in the east. Adult take. So. Kate Butler off the Sixers. I think they're still pretty good basketball team. They got lots of questions so you take Butler off. You add, Eric Gordon or cappella. Cappella them beat. I like that combination. I don't know that, that's exactly how it works out. They've got workout free agency with J. J radic. They've gotta work it out. Tobias harris. They offer they offer a hundred and forty six million dollars. Over over five years, the Houston wants to break the Bank, they wanna give them five and one ninety, and, you know, we're trying to build a Jimmy faller empire here. I don't know if you heard. Jimmy, Jimmy book face whatever. That's from office Christmas party, by the way, that's one of our favorite movies, here around the rich household was easy to pluck that line. Right out of there. But you know, Jimmy, I guess don't see Jimmy Butler being the number one on a championship team. What if you go? What if he gets? What if he gets collided? Join them in New York, Jimmy Butler quieter. I don't think I don't think those to coexist very well, and that's problems. I hard time finding situation that works for Jimmy Butler. Going to play. Well, with harden, I'm assuming that they move. Chris Paul out if they're gonna they're gonna throw that kind of money around. I love Houston in the west with Butler without it with harden without harden. They changed their identity. I think that I think Butler needs a slower pace. I don't think that like Antonia's the right right foot for him either. I hope quite stays in Toronto. I really wouldn't mind. Durant doesn't affect the next season clay tops. It doesn't affect the next season. But, you know, you see whether you're gonna put Golden State in a holding pattern or you're going to start to write them off. And I think that Kevin Durant is worth the investment that you're going to. You're going to say to heck with this upcoming season. This is when you're available, this is when will hire you. We have a great training, staff will work with you. If we punt on this season with a lottery pick to play alongside with you. So be it. I'd give Kevin Durant that kind of courtesy. Because when he came in the league seven, so he's, you know, he's. What three years younger than LeBron for years younger than LeBron, thirty one years old as this last big contract for rant unless he shows that he could play on the back end of that at thirty four thirty five years old? This is last payday. And I think you should take it. I don't think you wait to see how you get better. I you make everybody assumed that you will be better in that you will be at your tip top playing shape. You are the best player in the league at this point. Kevin durant. You maximize your value. You may Golden State pay. You. And if it costs them other assets when you what other asset, what combination of other assets is better that having four years of Kevin Durant starting a year from now. That's it. That's a Sumi. He doesn't play. I don't think that he would play for Golden State Uttar any circumstances as coming season because of the circumstances that put him into the situation that he currently finds himself in. Jimmy Butler is going to be the story. I mean, there's going to be a lot of stories. A lot of noise. A lot of nonsense smoking mirrors. This is where the NBA gains its popularity the it's Christmas day. It's not the NBA finals, sometimes it's the all star game just because of the celebration of personalities that you bring them all together, and it's the off court story. It's the banana boats. It's the trade. Rumors. It's the, you know, signing with Rich Paul and sports. That's what that would. That's what makes you an entertainer. These days in the National Basketball Association, not all based on prowess. There's a little bit of talent involvement, but is not about what you the court as much as what you off the court, and the stories that you generate when you are off the court. My name is Jeff, this is sports overnight, America. We all one final segment coming your way to wrap up the hour, damp, patch radio at Sirius XM channel, two eleven stay tuned for closing segment on the sports violent broadcasts. 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I mentioned at the open that Vanderbilt, the hung up on and they push to eighty size of game three in the college World Series. It gets Michigan would be huge for the big ten conference to get the win from Michigan, but being that I'm from Ohio go Commodores. That's that's, that's all I gotta say, I have no conference loyalty to speak of whatsoever. Hey, you know there's been a lot of talk about. Lilia loyalty as far as I have said will he tried to get out of playing in New Orleans? He's got a pretty good precedent, therefore, going to New Orleans and turning things around in jer- breeze. Drew Brees welcomed him to the city said, let's dance, which is what Zion Williamson set upon being selected number one overall by the pelicans. You know, the saints were nothing organization before Sean Payton, injure breeze decided. They gonna try things out there and more than any name that you can really think of you can go back to Bobby very probably when the first basketball team was around the one with this not veg-. You know, he is one of those names in New Orleans, lore, Ziya Williamson give you the best player to play their sense. Pistol Pete and certainly sets Chris Paul who left without really caring about saying goodbye on the way out. Good for New Orleans. Good luck Zion Williamson good for your breeze for welcoming there that's going to do it for this hour. Sports overnight. America for Scotty for very MC Mara. I'm Jeff rich. This is Ben. Siriusxm channel two eleven. Dan, Patrick radio now. Stay tuned for more sports giveaway. Next hour on these sports by live broadcast network. You're listening to heartland newsfeed radio network live twenty four seven at heartland newsfeed dot com. Service filling newscast for Tuesday, June the twenty fifth twenty nineteen. I'm Mike Clifford conditions reported to be so bad three hundred Bygrave children moved from Texas detention center. Also on our Tuesday rundown, Senator Susan Collins gets a challenge for the main house speaker, plus a Bill in congress points to the need for summer meals now, our top story, NBC news reports almost three hundred by good children have been removed for border patrol facility in Texas, that after media reports of lawyers, describing appalling and potentially dangerous conditions. Those lawyers who visited to Texas facilities holding by good children. Describe seeing young kids teenagers not being able to shower for days remain weeks, inadequate food flu outbreaks polo periods of detention. The department of homeland security told NBC news, the children who worry move were being held at a border station. In Clint, Texas advocates say some of those kids were wearing dirty clothes covered him Eucharist, and even urine. None of the children had access to soap or toothpaste after twenty two years in office. Republican Senator Susan Collins no longer representing the interests of main residence. At least that's according to her newest challenger, Kevin. Bo has the story in announcing her campaign to unseat Collins, twenty twenty main house speak of Sarah Gideon, sites Collins, controversial vote supreme court Justice bread cavenaugh in her support for Donald Trump's two thousand seventeen tax cuts as examples of being out of touch hospital where one and a half from dollar tax cut would get an mostly the corporations and the wealthiest families in America. Mainers totally left behind by that, that was a Bill, that benefited people who don't let in the state Videon, also pointed out that Collins is tax cut vote pave the way for a legal challenge to keep people. From losing their health insurance because of preexisting conditions giving is the most prominent democrat to announce progressive activists and lobbyists Betsy sweet who finished third in the democratic primary, for governor two thousand eighteen announced last week that she was also running Collins, US Senate seat Collins senior fifth term in office this year. She earned sixty eight percent of the vote, last time she ran for reelection and new report documents shift of manufacturing jobs away from northeastern states as about effecting sector has shrunk overall through a port from the Georgetown University center on education in the workforce says in the nineteen forties. Almost a quarter of all jobs were in manufacturing. And those jobs were concentrated in just fifteen states, including Pennsylvania. But since nineteen forty seven more than three million manufacturing jobs have been lost, even as economic output grew by four trillion dollars. According to keystone research center, executive director Steven Hertzen Burg says. Thirty years ago forty percent of jobs in Pennsylvania, or in manufacturing. But by twenty sixteen that had declined to eight percent. We haven't really had state or national policies to stem that decline effectively war to make sure that enough middle class jobs in the rest of the economy through report shows that the service sector counting for only twenty one percent of jobs in nineteen forty has grown to more than half of all jobs nationwide. I'm Andrea, Sears reporting it well sober provides a break from school. It could also be a season of hugger for some kids. Eric Tegel explains lashing. Congressman Rick Larsen is co-sponsoring the summer meals act of twenty nineteen to better integrate summer education and meals programs and help children and underserved areas with access to meal sites by improving things, such as transportation Larson says the Bill would eliminate red tape for partnerships between public and private organizations, such as nonprofits, it isn't just a matter of ensuring helping provide. The food, but you need to have partners in the communities to help make that happen as well. More than three hundred eighty thousand kids in Washington state are in food, insecure homes, meaning they aren't sure where their next meal is coming from on average family spent about three hundred dollars more each month on meals during the summer. What made you resource for families is the USDA suburb food service program, which offers free meal sites for kids eighteen years, younger last year more than under thirty meal sites across Washington state, so about forty thousand children a day, and finally ERC lettuce tells us the US is coming off the wettest year on record maybe seen most dramatically in this spring's, massive flooding, the bresca, farmers are looking to age-old conservation practices to help them adapt state, Senator Tim Gregor Creighton has more than thirty years of experience with the USDA's natural resources, conservation service. He says, he's dick that the state's new healthy soils task force will come up with a strategy for keeping Nebraska's. Rich farmlands the best in the nation come up with a plan to use conservation practices, such as your water management nutrient management, and cover crops themselves, a bunch of conservation practices that will be very useful in developing soil, health, and water quality federal government has promised financial support for farmers impacted by recent trade disputes, but to qualify they have to plant their fields. Gregor says this could be an optimum year for cover crops and notes. Any vegetation will help reduce soil Rosen and can also preserve moisture during periods of drought. He adds that producers with land that was destroyed or unusable should visit their county taxes center, and ask for form four twenty five to qualify for two thousand nineteen property tax relief between may of twenty eighteen and April twenty nineteen the nation experience a wet a single twelve period in recorded history. This is Mike Clifford for public service. We are member, enlist support emerald line at public, do service dot ORG. From Phoenix, Arizona, happy, have you up with be talking about sports at this late hour of the night? And we're gonna take it to my home state. My original home state of Ohio for a little bit this evening as we look at the Cincinnati fungal 's. They lose pardon me the Cincinnati Bengals they lose their number one overall pick Jody Williams, every time they put for help on the line going back to late twenty fifteen with Cedric. I'm not going to try to pronounce his last year. The open the Jacksonville Jaguars that tells you how well that pick what or who sits Bengals lost Billy price before the season began a year ago. So a lot of players not getting a lot of playing time in their rookie season for the Cincinnati Bengals the I don't believe have an indoor training facility at this point in time that could be a dated reference, I try to keep an act. Accurate. But I also like to have a little bit of fun. You know, a baseball town. Anyway. The other Eric Asian, that they're good, which is by never sit say, Bengals, I think last one playoff game with boomer of science and plenty quarterback, he's considered a little bit too old for radio right now. That's how locked go. That was. Moore size last winning quarterback. Are we are we confident that one David Klingler John kitten somebody had to wanna play off game in the mid nineties with the familiar name? Title bit about kluber deeds. Your scoreboard watching Jude and why it matters. Yeah. You're not gonna go into feet. You're not gonna go undefeated gets bad teams. But when you blow games that you were in position to win because your offense played well, it's a little disappointing to handed over the bullpen and have the blow a two run leader, even a one run lead because, you know, when you when you do struggle to score runs it's disappointing. When you score six and you not achieve victory. We got some other stuff. 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Welcome back in a little Cincinnati Bengals coming your way this segment ear on these sports overnight America program. Ifo calls are welcome. One eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine. You get me on Twitter, as well at Jeff rich talks of cool. Little bit on the whole social media seen trade to become a little less a pity dated. You'll bring in here, you want to hear what my opinion is. You wanna know what my opinion is tune into the radio program. I make myself available. Your social media make the phone number available. But I'm here to talk. Again, it's at Jeffrey talks on Twitter, but all stock little Cincinnati Bengals football right here. Super Bowl nineteen eighty eight I believe that, that was the last time that these very Bengals chief victory in the postseason. They lost divisional round in nineteen ninety actually there is a playoff victory, right there for the Bengals. Oh, a ten seven as that's actually correct. It was a actually pretty dominating forty one to fourteen defeat of the Houston Oilers. Right. The last time the Bengals one of the playoffs, they beat a team that the no longer exists in their current form Sam Weiss, the head coach of the Bengals that day Jack party, the head coach of the Houston Oilers. And let's see if we can get some numbers here Iki would score than that game, yet, bloomer Assias in sin last when a quarterback for the Cincinnati beg. Let's go back to nineteen ninety a lot of people are ali- that have never been alive that we're not alive. I've the last time the Bengals won a playoff game Clinton Browns beat the applies the Browns to and the bills. You're going back to the nineties in in all three cases with these guys. And the Bengals just it's a tough cookie to crack there in the AFC north. You've got Baltimore in Pittsburgh in the way the Cleveland is a layup clueless. Bentley up for last twenty years, Bengals have managed to get into the, you know, get the postseason as the AFC north champion in certain years. Let's see the last one the AFC north in two thousand fifteen where they lost the wildcard round. They won the division in twenty thirteen in lost in the wildcard round. They won the division in two thousand nine and lost in the wildcard round and they qualified for the playoffs in twenty eleven and eight twenty twelve at in twenty fourteen as the second hand in the case of two thousand eleven when they were nine and seven they were third place team in the AFC north emitted as a wildcard team, which means that everybody bought the Browns made the playoffs from the AFC north. That season. This year. They draft Joe Williams out of Alabama figure your pencil event to a starting slot there. And, you know, not exactly gonna work out to plan for first year head coach. There's actor. You know you still got Andy Dalton for another year. You've you've got Tyler, I for you've got CJ Zuma. The offensive line though, a lot of question marks Gordy. Glad you bring him over from buffalo. John, jerry. Billy price significant time a year ago. John Miller, Bobby heart. Not a lot of depth. Their offers of line could Clint Boling as started at, at a point in his career, but not the plan for the Bengals. John Ross was a not very good draft pick for the Bengals as well. They've got AJ green. That's the closely you've got to superstar the offense of side of the football. You ought to add some, you want to add some big bodies upfront to take care of the dog Ness. He gets older and less athletic the defensive side of the ball, Gino Atkins and Carlos don't lap done their thing for about a decade now. You've got drinker, Patrick, he'll as their best cover quarter, not a lot of star power on the defensive side. Of the ball. I it's, it's he's gonna struggle with the new regime. I their struggled due to a lack of talent, and I think it's only a matter time before AJ green wants out that is an absolutely curse franchise talking about these Cincinnati Bengals here on the sports overnight America program, they suffer another blow. I think it's a very difficult proposition to imagine them finishing any higher than fourth place in the AFC north this upcoming season. Yeah. Maybe maybe there's some addition by subtraction to be had by getting rid of Marvin Lewis. He's bad, by the way out might Accu the woods, working with her Edwards on the sun devil football program. So I think that, that's, that's an interesting experiment. That's going on out there. Of course. Ray Anderson, you know, used to work, you know, right alongside Roger Goodell in the NFL front office. I believe he was a VP of some sort and they decided that they're gonna do this professional model with the tire athletic program. I you know, Bobby Hurley brings professional experience to that basketball program. Herm edwards. He's brought in Kevin, y hall favor with the New York Jets Brady always brought in Marvin Lewis. Maybe there's something to the to the model that they're, they're putting forth there because you see, you know, these four and five star recruits, they're always Flickinger, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan Penn State, they're seniors to stay creeping up on the radar there. You know, that's that I don't think that they're ever going to be a great program, but I think that they are going to get a lot of consideration. Alternately the LA teams are going to dominate the Pac twelve south. I don't think that there's any two ways to that. The only way that Utah Colorado, Arizona, Arizona state. And playing that Pac twelve championship is a if there's some serious deficiencies going to polls UCLA USC at the same time now they're never up at the same time but they, they really have very little excuse to doubt at the same time. We saw what happened. Oregon happened the last time those two programs in Los Angeles were out. You know, LA prophesied like first world problems compared to what's going on in southern Ohio, should there, even be a football team their, they're in their market more deserving than that of northern Kentucky and southern Ohio. You've got the you've got the date Apple's colts right there. You've got the Steelers not too far away at the Cleveland Browns were football in that state for a really long time, they shouldn't really have to share the NFL market with a much lesser franchise. Now, of course the Browns came back as a as an expansion franchise. So you gave the Bengals a little bit of a head start. And I think that now we're looking at the Browns having caught them ravens and Steelers. Ben leaves bounce ahead of them for years. Even in the in the token years that they've won the division. They've been a sad, pathetic organization players, get hurt in training camp a it's not on the players. I can't really site. Negligence on the Bengals part, but it wouldn't surprise me, it would surprise me if they're the, the organization is vault. See this major league baseball. You see pitchers throw their arms out, because they're poorly developed. Does that is that what causes a day, one of training camp type of injury, you probably not? Probably. But if Cincinnati is down and out for a long time, and you could argue that they've did yell they always been down and out. Lost Joe, Montana, and the Super Bowl. It's right around the last time they were the playoffs. Just you just know flooding there. They just settle for mediocre way. When Andy Dalton is your deter when you use a second round pick to take a quarterback with the plan of him being the future. This is I'm not talking about Tom Brady, being drafted, you'll be drafted in the six round and then emerging himself as a starter. They went with a plan that they were gonna use the second round kid that just didn't really have any of the while factor. You what types of teams win the Super Bowl count on winning the Super Bowl with a man quarterback like Andy Dalton giants got fortunate with Phil Simms. And you know, you've got the Tampa Bay defence. You've got that Indianapolis Colts. Steve vets, you got that Denver Broncos defense. Both us paid Mannix championships did not come with him being the star of shope let with the defensive effort, but that's out the pickles plan. The pickles plant is the second outer like candy Dalton to take them. The promised land, and they have got my name. 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Once again, Jason Kip this delivers late in the game. He's getting friends. Now he's getting pummeled any loving every minute of it at whole plate. And Tim tenets Jason kipness, while the walk forward, a right? And the end Ian Sarah winner by a final score of fun of three to two. They beat the royals to win their fourth role. This is sports overnight. America, your host, Jeff really all the lab and pay appeal together the meal and not make any wrong. Welcome back to the show every once again, eight is overnight America. Let's talk a little bit of major league baseball that Jason kipness from Monday night, different story for the Indians Tuesday night, one night, you're walking off division rival state. You're watching that same rival, you know. Tear you apart in the night, then ING while you're closers out there, trying to protect a two run lead. You know, it's life. It happens. Baseball can be cruel and unfair at times. But the real thing is catching grief for ill getting upset that about the Minnesota Twins. Winning baseball games. They're good ball club. It's a good story and wouldn't it be cools? The twins won the American League this year. I mean much to might as makes like to be the Cleveland Indians. And I know that listeners out there might want it to be the Astros, or perhaps the Texas Rangers can make a little bit of a late run. You're, you know, you're looking at what five teams five teams get in and you're probably look at about seven eight slots. Seven or eight teams look into fill those slots. So the American League east is gonna come down to who wins the division and you could very well have second third place playing in that one game playoff. And I think that, that is the purpose of the, you know, the one game set up to the wildcard is that it is a crap shoot. And you know it's unfortunate that the second wildcard could be ten games behind the first one the on. It's not how it set up to be. Ideally, like everybody chasing division, crowns, right down to the end of the season with no consolation prize, guaranteed to them. You know, without actually winning that division. And I think that it gets it gets frustrating gets frustrated because because baseball is so fickle, and things can change so much from year to year. But it, it could also get boring and complacent what you think about how, you know, you're looking at the Red Sox the Yankees, every year on the central you've been looking at the Indians, every year in our, pardon me the Indians. A year on the central the Yankees and the Red Sox every year in the east and lately, Toronto has had a stronghold on the American League West. There's not a lot of intrigue to the to the first one sixty two unless you have teams Tampa and Minnesota stepping up and you'll play good ball and putting themselves in a position where they are that you know that that first team in a or they get the home field for the wild card if they can't catch the division winner, you ideally, you know, you again you'd like you know you like division race to come down to game on sixty two but it just doesn't really always work out that way. And you know, sometimes there's runaways and sometimes wildcard chase is a little bit more exciting. I think that since it's been added the wildcard general was added in ninety four, even though they didn't play that year. I think the baseball's a lot more intriguing. I don't wanna watch one hundred three win team. Go home. Those ninety three giants win when they finished second in the US to the Atlanta Braves. Stayed home. We stayed over the next year. We had wilder. Swertz sports like to resolve their issues as soon as precedents. But set you try to for college. Football's the only thing that really truly drags its feet in, you know, in that never in my honest, opinion. All right. So Montreal does not have a baseball team has not had one since two thousand three they became the Washington nationals Expos are all, but forgotten if not for, you know, somebody like Joni Kerry out there that tries to keep them alive through books and tweets and, and everything else. And I like Jona. I like the idea of keeping the Expos exit legacy alive. I like the idea baseball returning Montreal. I don't think it should be the Expos again. Don't really love that the Browns and the day, the Winnipeg Jets are rebooted under the same name. I think that, that there's a little bit of an identity crisis to be had there. Unless you actually get the team back like if the Air's ONA coyotes moved back to Winnipeg before, you know, the city would've pegged up rooted, the Thrashers out of Atlanta. I think that you, you, you obviously don't have any problem. You just resume the history of the Winnipeg Jets, but they didn't get the jets back. They took another team. And they call them the jets. Just to take it something. And painting, your name on it rather than actually changing it and rebranding it. But montreal. Montreal not going to get a fulltime team. It's still major league baseball expands. And, you know, there's really just not a good justification to expand at this point. I don't think there's enough talent to add to teams and you had to you can't have an odd number teams in baseball. So either the fashion is always, you know as always happened in twos. So perhaps Tampa all solve the. The real issue Tampa. It's a real issue that I've got in Arizona with the with the with the aforementioned coyotes. Stadiums in the wrong spot, but stadium in a realistic spot. George Steinbrenner dead put the city at Tampa, or you, I think it's called I've or city. You'll get it off the island of a big ice, ice around TV, when they try to try to give you the angles and make things. Nice couple gives them. Montreal. How do I feel about? Slit venue teams. I don't remember the can't city kings, that was around for them. But I wasn't watching a basketball they were probably very likely based on what their Sixers in Sacramento, where all, which is not on TV a whole heck of a lot. I guarantee you, I didn't watch the Kansas City Omaha kings at all growing up in Cleveland Ohio, in the early eighties late seventies. Apparently New Orleans Wanda there was a proposal for the Indians to play a couple of games in New Orleans every year. It's been suggested lately that the Cavaliers and the blue jackets, Tula, a little, you'll own venue, swop. How you do that once a year you do that once year? I, I wouldn't mind if you put the diet, you know, I'll probably in trouble, Arizona for this time of action Vancouver or Cowdery for, you know, basically, the whole summer, man. Funnel. Get baseball in Arizona in July August. Just gonna courage to travel to California, maybe up to Atta got a lake. Tahoe trip planned probably do the show live from Lake Tahoe. California side, I believe of Lake Tahoe, you'll see the Reno aces like to see the Las Vegas. The new Las Vegas ballpark. Wanna talk to you a lot about your road trips because they yell kind of what I am when I'm not, you know, when I'm not talking to you here. Take care of obviously some of the other responsibilities of gotten this life of mine, but I want to travel, man, I wanna get an RV. I want to have some way to, you know some way to finance it just the just like sports Gallagher's in see what I could drive to you on a given day. Vendetta quite a few of the major league baseball parks. A handful of NFL stadiums. I wouldn't say a significant number. College football and minor league. Baseball is two things that are really like just hit the road and do. Socially college football. You if I could hit Thursday night game. We travel on Friday to Saturday. So I. Or it might try to try to see two games every every weekend doing the bay area where I could see Cal Stanford on the same day. Ios last chance to try to do the bay area's quad quadruple header. But you really need day night games in order full it off. You know you go to, you know, a noon kickoff memorial stadium. Then you go down to the farm. Watch a prime time game with I've been primetime game like Pac twelve after dark in Palo Alto. Then what you need like a Sunday afternoon game. And it's going to be a one o'clock local time kickoff for the for the Niners the raiders play on Monday night football this last this last year. That you've got two teams in the bay area where you could pull like that off. You know I'm looking at a at a niner's Monday night football game. But I believe that the raiders are on the road that week, the hack get to. So I'm looking ahead to November December, and January February of twenty twenty lovelock's sports. Love talk about how I plan to do it. And we'll talk more after the break sports overnight. America shoutouts, everybody listing out there. He drew planned on the American forces that work by Jeff Richard stamp Patrick radio, Sirius XM channel to eleven. This is sports live broadcast at work. We'll be right back. This is sports overnight, America. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. But you have the time or the ability to write your book, maybe you picked up some skills, or head a life experience, that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you wanna leave autobiography for your family. Or maybe you've built a successful business, and you want to share your story at Dorrance publishing company. 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I really hate watching the Biggles in the proud it's like you're watching the genuine article, and then you're watching the knockoff product of the stupid black tiger stripes on their helmets. But yeah that's, that's art. Modell's incompetence displaying itself in the year two thousand and nineteen and, you know, I, I look at the stupid debates over raven vans rewriting history. Tell the talking about how Cleveland couldn't support a team and that's why they left the nineteen ninety six and that's just a bunch of hogwash. It's, it's, it's, it's the type of water that use to wash hawks. It's worthless. So it's just such a stupid. Take Art Modell was offered fifty million dollars by ball by the city of Baltimore. He had no option to stay in Cleveland. Fifty million dollars. It's more money than he had here. If million dollars fifty thousand dollars can take out a line of credit gets his wife gets his wife's a state in order to pay Andre rise in nineteen ninety five. But, but, you know, still that organization they've down. They've got a solid owner Ozzy news of building strong foundation there. And they've had, you know, they've had a very winning attitude there. The Steelers have always had that they've had five and eleven seasons. But it doesn't mean that you don't have you know, you don't have a winning culture sheila's cardinals. I'm sure that they finished under five hundred in years, that you would still say you know, that's a stable organization. The Spurs have been innate seeds present a lottery team. You look at them as a, you know, a stable organization, the Bengals the Los Angeles Clippers the cardinals, and, you know, to be perfectly honest with the Cleveland Browns have all been part of that Cleo. All cram themselves into that clown car that is, you know, that is in confidence. That is a no way out proposition. And eventually do dig your way out, just, you know, you just fall backwards into it. No e oh maybe, maybe the Browns don't feel like the culture's changing in the other direction. If they're working with Sam darnold or a Josh Rosen, maybe of tyrod Taylor plays more. And, you know, Hugh Jackson is still coach of that football team. You know, you don't feel this cultural shift with the Cleveland Browns, just never felt it with the Cincinnati Bengals hate watching them play. He watching them play the Browns. I think that it's a waste of an NFL game. There's a waste of NFL market. I mean, all they do air, everything that the Bengals do is a copy in some way, shape or form of the Browns and the Steelers stadium on the river. They think that Pittsburgh before Cincinnati would be such a better baseball on, if they just got rid of the charade that they March out onto the field each and every fall. Sacrificial lamb in the playoffs. They should be the Browns for the way that they're run. They should be with the Browns have been for the last twenty years and, despite the fact that they're going through their most successful runs. They, they made the Super Bowl twice. In the eighties. They been in that game. But they haven't had any semblance of competence in the year since that's just talk about hockey the segment. You know, it looks like Carlson's going to go back to San Jose, eight years at about eleven million a piece, I really can't blame them, Columbus. They went all in at the trade deadline. Panara Duchenne for Brodsky all going to be free agents Pelosi also a free agent for San Jose Nyquist on the free agent block Anders Lee and Robin ladder from the New York Islanders. Wayne Simmons, you might have a hard time. Finding a home at age thirty one. He struggled with Nashville a year ago. Schedule came out. I look at I look at when the iota are, you know, playing at home when you know what road trips I might wanna take, you know, looking at all, they're, they're playing the Florida Panthers got connections there in sunrise, Florida, almost Lauderdale now Miami. Where? The coyotes play on January seventh. And I figured play in in. Sunrise. They're also playing in Tampa. That's kind of just like a, a rule of thumb when you look at west coast teams and the coyotes have the thirteen back to backs. Six occasions where they're flying back from eastern or central time. And it's only gonna get worse. It's only gonna go worse for them is, you know, when they joined the central division, and they're going to Chicago Minnesota on a regular basis. Schedule's always fun schedule. Always opens the door. You know let you into the future a little bit. I love it some big games coming up in the twenty twenty season Blackhawks flyers are gonna play over in Prague on October fourth lighting and savers play a couple of games over in stock home. That's in Sweden, for those of you that did major in geography. Play outdoor game in Regina or is Regina substantial on that. The Heritage Classic that's that winter classic that they tend to play in Canada. Our play a game at the Cotton Bowl Kerley Jerry dome, because the, you know, the inside outside thing kinda ruins the lout door spirit of the game. And maybe it will be cold in Dallas. It gets cold in Dallas. And it'll be cold enough in Dallas that it will be somewhat genuine on January. First twenty twenty at the Cotton Bowl that's kinda size at I remember when they played the Cotton Bowl on January first, at the Cotton Bowl, you're going to see a game at falcon stadium in Colorado Springs. That's where air force the air force academy plays their home football games. And that's gonna be the Colorado Avalanche and the Los Angeles Kings. That's fifteenth. What other? What else do we have city Saint Louis host the all star game? That's January twenty third to January twenty six and then April fourth will be the end of the regular season. What else we got opening night? We're gonna have the blues facing the capitals on October second. That's the beginning of hockey season. It's already act. Tober second used to think of basketball, and hockey is sports started in November to stay out of face balls way. They're going to be going right up against the baseball playoffs and the football regular season. And it's gonna make October great month. Edmonton hosting Vancouver Toronto hosting Ottawa, Vegas, hosting San Jose. Those you're opening night games. I'm trying to decide you know, and I talk about road trips. I taught you know, I'm looking at van January seventh. Really doesn't overlap with anything like early plan on, you know, maybe go see the Miami Heat, but I'm not traveling to Florida with, with the Miami Heat being any primary part of my plants. So, you know my, my thought is well, do I wanna see two games in Florida? You know where I've got friends, and I've got places to stay, you know, when I say in Florida, I mean at the sunrise arena, where the Florida Panthers play or I could see one of the best teams in the NHL Tampa Bay. Whether they have the hardware to prove it or not, I could see the play the Panthers and Tampa Bay because those games are a couple of days apart. It's like a Wednesday in Saturday. And then, of course, you know, thinking about well, I'm going to be if you like if you had Florida January tech with see my team I could see my team in Glendale, Arizona, virtually whenever I want kind of going in the mid week games. Puck drops at six forty games over by nine o'clock nine thirty. You know, gives me half hour forty five minutes, get together side of town. Get prep for the show. You know, it's just, you know, it's, it's tough to cover things like that during the week. But I'm looking at the Citrus Bowl, I'm looking at the whatever they call the the the ball game in Tampa Bay now. We'll get at the Orange Bowl and look at, you know, maybe, maybe you wanna do a couple of hockey games couple of all those Florida bowl, you've never been to Florida bogere of detects spoke game. Then to California ballgame then airs ONA games, but I, but I haven't been to Texas game you know, friend of mine. A friend of mine is his wife at the time and I do say that in the past tense bought tickets to sit doubles play in the sun bowl, which, you know, friends life. That was sun devil stadium. So when we talked about, you know. Yeah, yeah. We'd love to go with you to the sun bowl. You know what are your overnight arrangements, and it's like, well you know, we're just gonna go home after the game because thinking this games in Tempe, not El Paso, Texas. Paso. It always seems cold for that sun bowl. I don't know if it's a CBS effect on you only or it tends to happen when Miami please Notre Dame in that game is that happened. More than once I bet it has and Miami just looks visible in dish interested in. I wanna I wanna say that there's a game of thinking of that Miami lost thirty four to three. I'm thinking that it was to Notre Dame. But I'm interested in going to those events. I don't really care who plays in the game picky about establecer 'cause I've seen a lot involving Ohio State, so one, I believe it was just one game. Not involving them that was watching UCF in Behler, play. I we're going to go with twenty the end of the twenty thirteen season January of twenty fourteen like Bortles, and I wanna say Nick Florence for Baylor, this was shortly after Robert Griffin. You'll start started the at the Baylor University. Going on and hockey. I mean that's kind of it. Yeah. I wanna see outdoor game. I watch him on New Year's day. I think it's cool stuff. Heritage Classic baby. Not Colorado Springs. I don't know what that does for me outdoor hockey seem school upcoming season. Seems cool out of teams are going to have a chip on their shoulder watching team like Saint Louis win the Cobb Tampa Bay kinda stakes. They gotta go through these. I eighty two to get to. You know, a place where they can get past where they were year ago because they had eliminated so quickly. Who who, who saw coun? That feels like a bigger deal. Speeding beating Tampa Bay feels like a bigger deal than Saint Louis. Winning the compensate listening to cups a big deal Washington winning the Cup is a big deal where see those teams play each other. You know, I think that, that's a really cool match up to start the hockey sees traditional matchups, but a lot, you just have to go based on current events in recent history and current events are the Saint Louis blues in recent history is the Washington Capitals and that's great way to kick off the nineteen twenty season. Or throw to break, we got one final segment to wrap it up here on sports overnight, America. This is these sports byline broadcast. Now working, we'll be right back. That was in last place. On January, third players events are bouncing up his three we'll be tonight in Boston. Fifteen seconds to go to the corner. Second manning up Saint Louis, you know what you're thinking. You know what you're thinking. 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Joe Posnanski on Comparing and Choosing the Greatest Players

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Joe Posnanski on Comparing and Choosing the Greatest Players

"Only meal legitimate. I host of sports illustrated's new daily podcast corona virus and sports. The outbreak of covert nineteen has disrupted all aspects of normal life including sporting events around the world. But sports isn't just about competition. It's also an industry that affects millions of people from athletes to stadium workers. And we're here to help you understand. Each story subscribe now. Toronto Virus and sports on Apple. Podcasts. Spotify stitcher or wherever you listen to shows everyone. John Wartime here. Sports illustrated tennis podcast. Hope everybody's well safe sane. If possible you are home this week we have jobs nance gives our guest. It's terrific conversation. Joe Is one of America's finest sports writers finest writers I would say period. He's a longtime friend longtime colleague. At sports illustrated. He now writes for the athletic. He has his own blog. He does the PODCAST. He's also the author of a recent biography of Harry Houdini. I urge you to pick up but beyond all that. Joe is a huge. Tennis Fan really knows his stuff. He also is admittedly by his admission. Partial to Novak Djokovic which informs his writing if you have a chance read his dispatches recap of the twenty one thousand nine women final in that comes through so this is a great conversation. Joe recently did a piece for the athletic ranking the top hundred baseball players of all time. So we talk about what goes into these. Inter era comparisons that we all like so much. What makes them fun? What makes them problematic? We talk about the hall of fame. We talk about comparing ear as we talk about his backhand just a good conversation with a good guy so Here's here's Joe. Part of what inspires us. I I always forget you know. I think like most people. I associate you first and foremost with baseball. But I I always forget your Your hardcore tennis guys. Well hard court tennis guy. Yeah I play a right I think about it all the time I spend I would imagine to put a percentage on it but if I had to twenty four percent of my time in isolation watching old youtube videos. I think so yeah. I'm pretty much tennis all the time by my math. That's about six hours. What's the best. What's the Best Give us some highlights. Well what I what I tended to do is go down rabbit hole so I had like this week or two period where I was just watching old abandoned lendl Tennis I had a McEnroe. Of course like everybody had a McEnroe Stretch of time where I was watching. All sorts of old McEnroe Videos I had Steffi Graf a period where I was watching Steffi's I I don't know why I started going down. I started thinking you know I write so much you right way more about it than I do but I write quite a bit about you. Know the greatest ever and and Focusing on the big three to you know the play today and I just kind of wanted to go back and look at some of these old players and You know that I remember when I was a kid but but you know just see how to for the game was then and how you try to imagine even even somebody as recently as sampras-agassi playing today's game and I have to tell you the more I watched the harder it is to imagine those people today's game and that's because of what I guess I guess because of the equipment but it just it was just a good player. I mean Sampras would serve Bali for a second serve you know he was constantly coming in and you just. It's very difficult to imagine him. Serve-volleying You know a rough doll or or or really just about anybody. You look at a guy like dope. Atro- trying to serve volley of his forehand would be you know suicide You know but I just I think about how different the game was. Because of you quit so it's very difficult. I don't know what John McEnroe would do in today's game. I mean I assume he would adjust and all of that but but I just you know trying to think of him serving volunteers Yovich and just absolutely just watching the ball go by every single time I mean it just. It's just a game. I'm no I mean to me I should back up and say you know some of the reason. I'm glad glad we're able to do this for a variety of reasons of A. You're among the titans of this profession B. U. R. I like that you're tennis. Bottomfeeders are coming out of your finest but also you just got done ranking one hundred baseball players so this this exercise Inter era comparisons and accounting for things like equipment and training is fresh on your mind and you WanNa spoil it but you ended up with your number. One player was not someone the majority of your readers will have ever seen play. That's right I don't know. Baseball is not tennis. But how do you go about this exercise? What do you think is the value of this exercise as we all get enticed by this go conversation which of course will never yield a satisfactory answer to anyone? Give tips most fundamentally on how to approach this. Well it's it's funny because I have thought long and hard about doing a one hundred greatest tennis players thing just because I I loved the sport so much but to me if I did it I would have to put together and just be A. It'd be a whole different kinds of exercise. You wouldn't really. You'd almost be talking about the impact on the sport that kind of thing more than baseball. Where for some reason in baseball people just want to believe that game hasn't really changed and the players haven't really changed. And so you could take younger Walter Johnson out of out of dead ball and and they could come in and and you know pitched out or pools or or Mike Trout. It's it's just different because I think specifically of tennis and I specifically of of Bill Tilden or or you know somebody of that era who was dominant. I mean you can't be more dominant. The dilbert was in his time and yet nobody would really even try to think of him facing you know Roger Federer. Just it's just. The sport has changed so much so. I think it's more of a challenge in tennis. Not necessarily because the sport has changed more than baseball because baseball has changed much much much more than people want to acknowledge. It's it's the fact that people have this sort of dream about tennis about baseball. That it's that it's timeless stays the same while everybody in ten is knows that the equipment that Roger Federer was using a beginning of his career is is significantly different than the than the rackets and training and things that he's doing at the end of his career. I the game just changes that rapidly. What about the? How much do you put into the physique of the players I would Tracy Austin won the? Us Open. I think she weighed eighty. Nine pounds of the players may male female. That's about one leg. Yeah how do we? How do we count for that? You have to and it's really hard to account I I remember and I did go back and watch the I. I think it was the Tracy Austin. Chris Evert of final. I think I remember watching a US. Open final. That Chris. Evert was Broadcasting and they showed A little bit of that match like they just like. Oh Hey let's go back and watch when you were playing. And they should've imagined she said the funniest thing she's like. Wow we really weren't hitting it very hard. Where we I mean it was. It was like watching. Pong think was so slow. You can't take eighty nine pound Chris. Evert ORT Tracy Austin. Chris was a little bit more physical. But you can't take those those players out and then have them transformed and had them placed Serena just wouldn't it wouldn't even wouldn't even look like something that could happen. Obviously if Tracy Austin was playing. Today's gave her jeans for the game. Does change so tracy awesome place today? She's a different player. She trains differently. she hits the ball way harder. She's using the equipment so so. I think it's harder to do that. But you're right. I mean I think the biggest difference with one of my favorite things to do in general is just watched Djokovic. Highlights. Just watch him. That's we we need to. We need to acknowledge that right is my favorite is is my guy. love Look but it's so fun that and I think that's part of the thing that I love about Tana's is I love dogs and I love veteran. I don't dislike anybody in the in the top players. I think it was different. What it was connors McEnroe at boring. You pick the favorite you rooted against the others. We'll what's to root against any of those three. I mean they're Ju and and throw Anne Marie and there and throw on rink in there. They're all joyous in so many ways but Jovic is my guy and and the thing that I love watching Djokovic is how much court he covers. It's it's it's not comparable it's just it's the Yvonne Lindow was the was the fittest player of his day. And and got to a lot of balls and you know Makarova's obviously physically during gifted even if he didn't necessarily work out too hard and Agassi was the same way you know physically gifted in workout that heart disease early. I mean they. They couldn't get two balls the guy can get to. I mean it's it's just a different thing you have to hit however many winners you have to hit to beat Jovovich. Those guys certainly with the equipment they were using they never could have gotten him off the court ever. There's just there's no Oz ability for hitting the ball at good enough angle. Hard enough to to to be Djokovic with without modern equipment and and being physically you know dominate the way the players are today. I mean He. It's just a different. It's a different level. I think what's your what's your definition of great. I feel like I mean it's part of the great fun of this but part of the fundamental problem this whole discount. We haven't even agreed on a definition and we have this sort of hollow ill-fitting frustrating word of greatest adding even Patty defined that. It's a great. It's a great point. John you know when you when you talk about. Or what do people end up doing? They ended up talking about. Who won the most Grand Slams right? I mean it just it just comes down to some sort of simple number and I think at that went golf with Tiger Tiger has to pass Jack Nicholas. Most majors to be considered the greatest. But but even Jack Nicklaus will tell you he was gonna Players Tiger Woods in his prime so so what is greatest? I mean I think you look those three. I mean you know and I think the conversation really. Does you have to start with those three. Just because of the length of time that they were so great and and you know in the fact. That game is so different. Now it's not to Knock Rob Labor your borger or any of those guys. It's just different and I think when you start with those three. How do you even you know how to even define greatness among them? I mean there's no question rough on the doll's greatest clay or player ever lived. I mean yeah. It's like his his surface is it's he owns. It owns that so so. Are you going to say anybody else's the greatest player when if you've played him on clay the doll would be the favorite would likely win? I mean it's it's so that's different but then it anybody really change sort of the the the level of the game the way Federer dead. I mean he came along at a time where where number one was was being passed around from player to player and and it was such a different a different. You know everybody was sort of trying to figure out after Sampras and Agassi what was next. And and then this guy's the one of the two or three best players and off de best players for the next twenty years. I mean it's it's lunacy and then you know my feelings about Joker Bench. I I just think he's he's taking it one more level up. So yeah you you define greatness basically by the way I look at it as sort of assume we looked at the baseball one hundred and the way people of thought about that. You a player that you want to be the greatest and then you just defined it around. You know the argument backwards. I feel like that's what people do with you know. Should we care about personal disposition and the fans say yes absolutely credit to the sport look at Rogers Philanthropy? And he's a gentleman and he doesn't get find I mean I feel like these goal post moves. Let me I mean. Actually you know what? Let's let's stay on. The you mentioned. Bill Tilden who Perhaps a best player the first half of twentieth century. Also there were corrupting minors morals. Were do we care about the constitution and disposition these mushy sort of good good guy and good woman credit to the Game Citizenship Award Type Category? Well doing care. I mean I guess it depends on what you're trying to to to define right. I mean that's that's sort of gets back to your question. What is great? I mean if somebody said to me look. Nobody has done more for the sport than Roger Federer Right. If somebody says to me that he he took a sport that was sort of scattered about and and and not only played at a level that that That had never been seen before not only lasted longer than anybody else. But also his philanthropy and also is credited sport he he brought a Cla- St ten is that that is a huge part of of the sports popularity in the world today. I couldn't argue that. I couldn't argue with that but I could. I could say well look rough on. The doll has brought incredible class to the sport. To and and is is just a you know is just a model of of of sportsmanship and and and comportment and and you know has brought a Honduran and energy to be game that that that is completely unique and so then you make that argument then then you know then you have my guy and and yeah he's you know he's icy any is is not always is not always Elder together on the court and all those sorts of things. But you look at it. Look at that story. Look of that guy where he came from and and and how he developed into into this extraordinary player and then walking into a world of tennis. That seemed closed. I mean you know that was. It was veteran Nepal and people. Still you know. Many people's don't want it to be federal and and he came in and absolutely bullied his way not only to their level but to to the next level. And so you know. I don't know how you do it. I think everybody's going to do it their own way. I think I Love Serena I think Serena's done more for for Tana's well you know. I think it's at the level of federal what she's done for. Tana's you know but Serena's not always been easy and and and you know she certainly is at the moment on the court and I for me. That doesn't influence how I feel about their greatness. I I think that It's a little similar in that way to baseball that I look when I looked at the baseball. One hundred you know. Yeah I took into account what they were like off the court and off the field and wrote about all of that but you know the fact that Babe Ruth was kind of a kind of a kind of a womanising drunk The fact Cobb was a was a really difficult character. Yeah it impacts how you feel about them but it doesn't change their place. Mma game and their role in building baseball. I feel like this. This pace of change is something that we we talk about pace of play but this pace of change. We talk about deadball pitchers pitching to Mike Trout but nobody watches baseball from the eighties. And says boy. It's absurd to think that they would ever be able to hit Max Scherzer of it's really remarkable to think about even guy. I can't believe I've even saved me of the the Steffi Graf slice the to the middle of the war in what Serena would do with that I it sounds a little sacrilegious to say this. But do you think it's more than equipment and what do you have you thought about why it is that we look at this and laugh. Yeah no I have. I and I think you're one hundred percent right. Steffi Graf slice was exactly what what what struck me. I mean it was. It was definitely a penetrating slice and for the time for the equipment people were using it was it was lethal right. I mean it was absolutely lethal She moved better than anybody on the court. And and it was you know and of course that dominant forehand and serve and and was just a great great player for that equipment in that time. But yeah you can't you? Can't it back slices every time in today's game you can't? I mean you just see the tower. Not I mean you talk Serena at the very top of the game but all of these young players just come out rushing the ball just absolutely power on both sides most of them. It feels like especially when they're when they're younger. It's the backhand that is that. Is the stronger wing for some of these. These terrific young players. And you're telling me you'RE GONNA go back into back in with with with with the players today with with a slice like I you just. Nah I just old and I should say of Steffi. Graf was planted adult. They she would hit that sliced at this. You adjust different so do I think it's the equipment I think? The equipment influence the game in so many more ways than we than I at least Talk about or think about I mean it. Influence the game that you can see how much slower the ball moving and influence the game. That how different moved was because she just didn't have to chase down the the sorts of power that you do today but I think it also influenced the game in in simply the way you play the way you played with that equipment. It's funny because I it would if we took it backward. Let's Rafael the doll. And the day of would Iraq can't hit the shots he he's not GonNa hit these. These incredible topspin shots from both wings with the wood racket. He brings the red heat and is rinsed. Exactly I artemis always one. I think you and I have actually talked about this in the past that I wish they would play one. Would Iraq a tournament a year? Let's exactly it would be so fun to see what these guys would. I still think the best would be the best right but your style would be so different so so I think that equipment is the big of a factor but I also think that that you know when when people talk about evolution of any sport. I think once people see Lincoln basketball. He steph. Curry comes down and is making forty foot. Shots were routinely right. Thirty five four hundred shots and then a whole next generation comes to making all forty shots because he he invented the invented that in their minds in their imagination. And so I think that you know when you see a Pete Sampras that changes the way people serve and you see Andre Agassi and that changes the way people return Then you see Federer doll and and a joke and it. Oh the new players come along they have the top this level so. I think I think some of the some of it is is is racket by a years progressing. You want you on my data-free completely intuitive theory of this time and I I think I think it's also hard to overlook the role of money in that Serena Williams has never had to in the last twenty years. She's not had to wait for rental car. She hasn't had to go through security at the airport. And if she gained two pounds she can hire nutritionists in the top players. Have not only have access to so many career enhancing services that Rod Labor even Pete Sampras didn't I think they also are able to avoid some of the drags you know. It's a big difference when you can pick your own spots and when you finally have to get from Indian Wells to Miami you take your Gulfstream that leaves. Would you leave? I think that the APP Strategy Wealth Oligarchs of the top you know select group of half. Dozen players is is a big role in their in their longevity and with longevity comes more and more numbers but that is just a pet pet theory. I love that theory and I would tend to agree with it. I think that that you look at different. I think about Martina you know. I think the Martinez had her case. Steffi came along but I think Martina had her case while she was playing as the greatest player ever right and and still you can make that argument. Italy comparing apples to apples all that. But what a different world. She played like team tennis playing for money. Even she needed the money. So she's playing at the Cleveland. You know outdoor courts Leonardo somewhere just to to To get by so yeah. I think it's a coupon debris time I think you're the point on specifically to longevity is huge. I mean right at the whole the whole game whole notion of the game has changed Ryan. We we used to think thirty two was when it ended you know like all thirty two year bridging over to the CEO. Couple more years than you can write to make money on the seniors tour exactly and now you know you're like Oh joke of inches. Only thirty Gillians went six years. 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I mean tennis. It's gotten to the point where basically you have a pretty good career. You stay on a prison. You win a major and you're in the conversation. I mean Michael. Keith might be all he lovely guy but I mean to me. Michalski is a two eighty hitter. Right great great career. You don't begrudge the guy anything but I would say. The standards and tennis are considerably lower than other sports but I wonder if someone who votes for baseball and you've seen sort of what the threshold is for that sport if you Is One preferable to the other big ten small towns? Where where you stand on all this well the big ten baseball guy. But but but here's what I think is different about tennis and this is this is also true off by the way Because this is also a big thing golf as Fred couples couples really a hall of. Famer major whatever. But then you know. He's if he's a major. That is Davis. Love the hall of Famer and so. That's old tennis thing. I think golf I mean. I think that's all golfing tennis. It's it's the problem with tennis in the hall of fame is the same problem The Gulf has compared to baseball which is every year in baseball. You would expect there to be ten to fifteen players. Who are active players are are going to go to the hall of Fame Someday? That just sort of how the thing plays out. I mean it's not always true. Sometimes they're more You know ten to fifteen players or so Right simply because the years going on well. Nobody thinks they're attender. Fifteen tennis players right now playing belonged. Were going to go to the hall of Famer. Should go to hall of fame especially on the men's side where where her three three guys dominated a sport like like never before. But you have to keep going right you have to. You can't just like stop putting people you and I remember. I was saying to somebody I would really be cool if if Federer doll would go into the hall of fame together and and the the the person who runs the hall of fame was saying to me. No you never bad but you gotta spread that out. You can't just you can't waste it in one year and you know it is does put in a few people each year and you just run out pretty quickly when you do that. I mean it's it's I think it's hard I. I would prefer like a tight tennis hall of fame where you're not just putting anybody. Who's Number one in the world or has won a major or or you know I mean I would prefer being like this is higher level. But you know I've I've a really good friend here. We is a tennis pro. And we just talk tennis all the time and and I'll just come up and he'll say something like all right stand by Branko Hall of Famer and I'm like by the standards of today for you talk about better to die. I'm worried about this year's hall of Fame Class Serena Williams and Elena Yankovitch and you have these two players who have wildly different resumes. Both ending up in the same place Let me In in our few minutes remaining let let me ask you. A magic question I just obviously you wrote a book about Houdini that I actually just saw reviewed in the New Yorker like last week. I'm behind on my New Yorkers but not as far as they are behind on their books a I did not know you were a magic guy in be inevitably magic as a theme. That comes up a lot in tennis. And I wondered if it's a two biggest stretch to acquaint too but first and foremost Houdini. Houdini was was very. I do like magic and always have. My Dad was You know used to perform that performed Magic's for me when I was when I was young and always liked it And routine was it was not specifically magic and it was not specifically Houdini. I wanted to do a story about wonder. And how How we've sort of lost it a little bit in the world today and how is? Guy Stole you know still create it and people still feel wonder about a guy who performed a hundred years ago. And how did that happen? What did he do? What what what you know real magic. If this guy have that that he's still on everybody. Everybody knows you know you could go to a second grade class. Say Houdini and they know exactly who you're talking about. And there's this really very very few people for a hundred years ago that that that's true you know and and so that was sort of the focus for me but but it is interesting because I have. I have bought a lot about sports and particularly in in tennis. I think everybody I know in the tennis world. Loved the David Foster Wallace piece on on veteran right the better. What was a federal experience? Yeah yeah the experience yeah so religious experience with Federer and I think it was because he was really writing about magic. He was writing but you know he was. He was tennis player himself and played at a pretty high level but even for a guy like him watching Federer do some of the absurd things that he does the court and there are very few people because it was one of the things that I've done. I want an isolation is is like just type in greatest tennis shots ubad watched and he's got a huge bulk of them. Although I will say for my guy a joke which is a whole bunch of to Joe I think Djokovic so times. is kind of called mechanical or dozen. You play clinician right. Exactly Yeah but there's magic in that guy if you see like anytime somebody drop shots him. He comes up with the craziest angles and shots. And and I mean he's he's the drops out off. The drop. Shot is one of the great the great joke of its planes. He's he's really really fun but but yeah I think what magic is is when you see something you go. How'd he do it? I'll do it? That's that to me is is the is the very essence of magic is. Is that thing that pops into your head and it sort of opens up a world a little bit and I think like when I see that in football right you see a running back. Make a play like that. I see it in golf for somebody. Hit some sort of crazy shot. It's it's it's cool because I'm a tennis player. Y- so-called and because I love the sport so much. I don't know that anything moves me the same way that a magical tennis shop does I just seeing seeing somebody run down a ball that you just don't think there's any possibility and then in a winner off that which is the federal thing it's extraordinary it's just there's there's I think there's nothing like it. It's why I think the sport worldwide of course it's extraordinarily popular but I think the US its popularity is is you know under much discussion but I just. I can't see how somebody can watch watch tennis. And just just get that feeling of just what. Wow what that was absolutely remarkable. I'M GONNA take this in a crazy direction. You're ready to do a suicide him. I'm listening to them listening to describe this. I'm listening you talk about sort of what during misdirection and capacity for. Aw How are you if I told you ninety days ago that in the middle of April? We're all going to be locked at our homes and financial markets. Were going to be going off a cliff. And we were uncertain. There wasn't gonNA be any sports on TV and we were uncertain when we were going to go back. How are you experiencing? I was GONNA make us a corona three podcast listening. You describe magic and I've seen some some ven diagram Overlap here if if wonder incapacity for has been on your mind lately how are you experiencing this? Yeah well it's going here but no no. Well look I don't know of experiencing it any you know with any more You know a sense of understanding than anybody else right. I mean this is. We're all in this together. I do think that that I find incredible about the time that we're in is is just that you know. We've we've been a country that has been a politically or anything like that but from from a pure pop culture standpoint we. We've we've divided right. We all watch what we WANNA watch. We all do what we WANNA do. It's it's it's like you know it's it's The whole thing that used to bring the country together Other than the Super Bowl and maybe a few other award shows or whatever. It doesn't do that anymore. We just don't we just don't come together In that way because we all can just sit there and watch old. John backing her youtube videos. Anything else right one of the thoughts and I have had about this. You know when you talk about is we're all kind of doing the same thing now. I mean yeah. We're watching different stuff at were. You know. We're all figuring how. What other Tiger King? I guess? Everybody's why not watching it but everybody else's But we're all all in this thing together like we're all like don't know when we're going to get next haircut. We all are scared for for ourselves or for family members of both and we're all in our houses and and and trying to figure out how much toilet paper we have laughed and I mean it's it's you know I don't. I certainly not naive or or you know I'm not looking at this with any kind of of rose colored glasses terrible tragedy was happening around us and and you know whether it's whether it's job losses whether it's the you know the pain or whether it's just the the hard core You know the dance and all of that. I mean it's we're going through something. That's that's horrible but at the same time we are doing this together and even the were even the word all in our own homes. But we don't see anybody except the resume you know. I've thought a lot about that. I've thought a lot about you know that there are so many other for me. The thing I missed boast just in my own personal sort of daily life is Dennis. I really don't I've not been out quite well. I mean it's the one is the one bit of exercise. I do one thing that I I would try before I before this all happened. I was going out four or five times a week to go out and play tennis and and I haven't played tennis in a month and and I hear from all of my tennis buddies. And they're all like hey. When are we going to get out of the court again and and And I just think that we're all experiencing this so I I don't know you know how you are. You bring aw into into this kind of world because it's so Daunting but but I do feel like we. Are you know to not to say anything? More about baseball. One hundred but I started ranking these baseball players December counted down from a hundred one. And the first you know. Seventy five eighty of them We're before this all hit and it was. It was definitely You know hugely Popular and and people had a lot of pinions and it was. It was great once all hit that suddenly for so many people Soon to take on a whole different meaning because there was no baseball there were no sports and this was sort of one thing that that was still going on. I'm I'm very humbled by that. I mean the the notes and letters and emails that I would get from people about it was was very humbling and I thought yeah I mean. That's that's sort of gives gives back to the heart of it which is where. I just think that there's there's not much Good we can take from any of this but one thing that I think that is good as I think that we we are really doing this together. I see I was GonNa ask you how your tennis list with? That would look like but I don't WanNa do that because I want you to do. Tennis now fifty. I don't know if you need a hot out if we need You know versus and burst on Bunny Austin and start about Nike forty. How do we get you to do tennis though I should while I was on On a podcast. Not that long ago and it was attended podcast and I was We were talking about tennis and I said you know they said do you have. Do you have a dream like would you have a a writer's dream and we've been lucky enough of you? You know we worked together. It's traded to me with the greatest debris his place in the world and and and done so many cool things you know which is great and I said you know what I would love to do is I would love. Nobody would ever amy to do this. But I would love to spend one year Nothing but temps literally just like literally covering make that happen. I don't think that could happen but but I would love to but my kids are are almost out of the house. My older one is going to college next year by younger. What is the freshman and I got one. I would love to do that. We're just out writing about tennis playing tennis just living a tennis life so that top fifty would be like a perfect way to do that. I know I gotTa tell you. This isn't saying like I want to win Wimbledon one day. This sounds utterly doable. I don't I don't think so I don't. I don't know that that the world exists that somebody would do that for me but but I will say If I did a top fifty The the thing that that would be the hardest part is when to start. And you just said it on on that because I almost want to atop fifty where you don't go before Rod Labor right like I think that rod labor sort of creates a hold that you you don't WanNa do it just opened era because yeah exactly a great story so I think you have to go back to the beginning. I guess I mean it's sort of like I feel like in tennis especially in well. We we've talked about this but I feel like tennis is so it ends up being very prejudiced against players from past eras. I don't think you would end up with someone who played in the nineteen sixties as as your winner in tennis. But it's you know it's it's funny because we always so little intent as a change in the last hundred years. The Tiebreaker is the Great Change. That sort of the company line and yet you can't find me a sport that looks less like it did twenty years ago we would serve. We've talked about this before but it's funny. The tennis is chain of change resistant and yet it looks utterly different from sort of one generation to the next never mind. The sport that was being played fifty six years ago or one hundred dollars. There's one other part of that other way that we have not talked about that. I think we should because I'm really curious your opinion on this. The surfaces have changed right. I mean Wimbledon is not Wimbledon anymore. Wimbledon is not well or or it's better rallies are are amazing now but there were no rallies they're no rallies in the nineties and there were two Gordon evenness of. It's never get a second shot. I mean there was. It was just a completely different surface. I do wonder you talk about how things have changed. I mean if we had that lightning fast enough a Wimbledon. I don't know which I don't know. It's really good. Question Anderson Kevin Anderson Wimbledon champion. All right we. We need to do a second one of these. That's that's my take away from all this. Yes definitely. I'll always ready. This was great. We will link the top one hundred. We will link your book. I also WanNa link the The Lin Manuel Miranda piece which is a personal favourite. This'll great though I am. I really appreciate us. Finals could fun By they save say home. We're GonNa see you on the tennis circuit when your daughter goes off to college. I'm ready I ready man all right. Thanks to our guests joepags Nancy. That was a lot of fun. I enjoyed that. We will have him back. Thanks as always to our super producer. Jameel Santi Pu. I admit I admit I miss being across the table from Jamie. Thanks to all of you for listening. We tried to make this a corona free podcast. And just think about something else for half an hour and then I had to bring it up there in the end but anyway I hope you enjoyed that conversation. That was a lot of fun with Joe. We will have a new guest next week. Subscribe Leave Review. It all helps. We have a new sports illustrated. Podcast coming up the tell you about more next week. We will have a new guest next week. You can continue to watch. Tennis Channel Live noon eastern every day where we have a fund whiparound. Show that Steve. Weissman hosts pay as long as. We're plugging sixty minutes is on. Cbs seven pm every Sunday and otherwise. Hope everybody's well hope everyone is against staying safe staying sane. This will be over soon enough but until then doing our thing thanked everyone who.

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06/14/21 DPS Hour 2

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Listen to the first episode on june fifteenth and new episodes weekly after that subscribed today on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you find your podcasts. You are listening to the dan patrick show on fox. Sports radio up had a great weekend everybody. It's our to dan in the danettes. Dan patrick show. We will give you our best and worst of the weekend coming up gotta poll question couple of stats of the day. We'll hear from the joker after getting tossed yesterday. Eight seven seven three. Dp show email address. Dp dan patrick dot com twitter handle at. Dp show say good morning tv partner. That's peacock and also our tv or radio partners numbering four hundred cities around america. You had some tennis yesterday. That i was watching. It was kind of going in and out. You got yokich who won. The french open is nineteenth major. And that's one shy the all time record that's currently shared by roger federer and rafael nadal. In yoka vich or djokovic is thirty four and has a great chance to surpass his to longtime foes. Spent a lotta time talking about tiger woods. Chasing jack nicklaus in that major but in america. Men's tennis majors are in a topic. That's because none of the big three are american. And we've invested in serena williams but it's a tricky record to wrap your head around. Is joe kebich better than pete. Sampras or rod laver bjorn board. The sport they played a day is a whole lot different than it was thirty or forty years ago. Health medicine allow these players to compete for a longer period of time and the racket. Certainly help as well. We all know for sure. That yokich or djokovic is an all time player and all time athlete no matter how much we do. We don't talk about tennis and him also to be able to do it. In the era where you have nadal and federer who have won thirty nine majors between them. And then you get djokovic. It's pretty incredible that you're able to win. It'd be like if somebody played in the tiger woods era and they one nine majors but they didn't because tiger just dominated every body. These are two of the greatest players of all time. You could make a case that federal is the greatest player of all time but in his era joke bitch has nineteen grand slams. Having rivals helps didn't feel like pete sampras had a rival. They're connors mcenroe. Bjorn borg von. Lindo you know having that rivalry. That's what you want chris. Evert martina serena's really had a rival but to be able to have that rivalry makes those victory. Stand out even more and you have doll. Who's the greatest clay court player of all time and you dusty moth in four sets. Federer me is still the greatest player. Although you can make a case in a different air rod laver was the greatest player of all time. But with what. The reason why i go back to federal is when i asked pete sampras about this years ago i said what do you think of federer. And he said he will attempt shots. That i can't even think about like i don't even have that in my imagination. And he's he's attempting no shots in pulling those off. That says an awful lot about you. Know here's sampras. With what sixteen. Grand slam events looking at roger federer and just the fact that what. He does how he does it. He's doing things that i wouldn't even think of doing is ours. Shot there but joke bitches. Incredible i mean really. It didn't look like he was working up a sweat and he always looks like he's he's visiting country club. He's going into play tennis at the club. Sherzer perfectly starched increases in his his shirt that he was wearing his hair. He doesn't look out of sorts at all whereas the doll did the doll looked like he'd played ten sets. but that's pretty impressive. That's nineteen majors. He's thirty four years of age but to have these three. That's remarkable back to boxing. Where you had sugar ray tommy hearns. You had marvelous marvin hagler to win. Titles in that era. Because that's who you had to go through. That's pretty incredible now. They don't face each other's many times as you do in tennis but what joe kebich did yesterday was pretty pretty impressive. Yep you're right about djokovic. He doesn't seem to be a big sweater and he murray early in his career he wore. He went up top button. He used to have like the polo shirt. He he was so composed. Go top button. Like i i don't even in unbutton twice to get you. Take it out he. I'm looking at pictures of him. He looks like he's it's a fifth set. Look just starting the match. Don't make me unbutton this next button. I don't wanna do that to you. Know time yeah yes mclovin. So i think appropriate impossible to rate athlete like if we put a pole as he overrated underrated properly rated or impossible to rate because if he passes federer in the major record. Do we have to say he's better than federer or and you said you said. You can't compare murad labor. I think he's impossible to rate. I think i would say. Federal is still the best player that i've i've seen on all the surfaces his athleticism but nidal fascinates me Probably more one dimensional with with clay in that that's what stood out. Even more is that he lost on clay. he doesn't lose on clay. And the fact that jovovich was able to beat him in four sets was was really remarkable and jovovich was down two sets yesterday. So you down to and then all of a sudden it's like yeah all right like gave the crowd you know. It's almost like when floyd mayweather carried one of the paul brothers like you're just like all right. I think it's time to end this now. We're done and he just went boom boom boom and that was it all right. We'll get phone calls. Best and worst of the weekend. What we saw that we liked. We didn't like the packers. Continue to make things worse. I saw this with mark. Murphy is the ceo of the packers and he said some fan event. You know a lot of times when you go to these things you go to a luncheon. There's no cameras you get a little loose sometimes. Yeah your plan to a hometown crowd. This is mark. Murphy's already said that. Aaron rodgers what's going on is dividing our fan base. If somebody has his cell phone they start to record this and then he's quoting the the late. Gm ted thompson. Where ted thompson referred to aaron rodgers as complicated. That's not a compliment is complicated. And you're quoting somebody who's not around to even put it into context. How do you think aaron rodgers is gonna take that you've already said these dividing our fan base. Okay now you're quoting ted thompson. Saying aaron rodgers is complicated. Complicated is unique is a compliment. Eight man he's unique complex is almost complex. He's complex but when you say quoting ted thompson here these complicated. Yes talent to me. That's annoying or stranger. I just don't get that guy all again in the negative thing. Maybe so but don't say it like it feels like these are really there should be trepidation with what you say anywhere to anybody about this situation here. Do i think he's going to be traded. I don't do. I think he's with the packers next season. Probably not. but i've said all along. I don't think he's going to be traded. Because he can't trade himself and the packers are not going to trade aaron rodgers. But we're going to get to the point in a couple of weeks now where we're gonna find out. How awkward this is really going to big. But don't quote anybody. Don't say anything how about you. Keep it generic. And he's You know it's ted thompson. Said he's complicated. okay. I just check the chart. He's complicated is just one above. He's a handful. he's a handful. Is the next step down from his complicated. He's complex is a step up because it makes you think that he's cerebral and smart. He's a handful is on the negative side. I wonder if he rolled his eyes when he said and he's conflict. Yes you roll. The is exacerbating handful. Yes he's close to being known as a piece of work as a piece of work he's work is down from. He's a handful. Yes it doesn't make it okay. But it's easy to get loosened these things as opposed to when you're at a press conference and you got mike flags and fund you and everything and you're maybe more garden what you're going to say because it's obvious that every little facial expression and where you're going to say it's going to be all over the radio and tv in the newspapers when you're at some sports ball at some convention or a speaking engagement you don't realize that all of a sudden this same thing get picked up by a lot of people well if he doesn't realize that then very naive everybody's got a cell phone and somebody's gonna tell somebody. Oh yeah. He referred to aaron rodgers. Said he's complicated. Maybe they didn't even get the Quoting the former. Gm ted thompson with the packers putting it in context. It doesn't matter you call him complicated. But if you say he's complicated. And a but i mean that in a positive way because there's so many facets to him and he's got so many interest and he's such a thought provoking like you could. You could spin it. Call your wife complicated sale that works. Hey honey you know. What your complicated. How about your caller high maintenance. While you're at it. Yeah polling thank you all for coming to this packers booster event. We're gonna have a great season. Everyone put their phones away. Just us chatting here. Can't wait to get rid of that old guy getting jordan love in the lineup. And don't tell anybody talk. Hey you know what he is. Luke eight as open. Yeah get some phone calls here by the way. Don't miss the peacock original the greatest race. Discover the teammates who pulled off astonishing comeback in the four by one hundred relay. The two thousand eight beijing olympics. It's the greatest race and streaming allan liam peacock signed a peacock dot com to get started. Let's see Jeremy in alabama leads off this hour. High jeremy dan. Thank you for taking my call. I am sick two and a half and lane two hundred pound. I've got to best. And i want to pay tribute to Talk fritz with the mock headline My best One is the sons winning. I am when the lakers went out of. I'm all in. I'm watching the playoffs. Pulling for the sons because i used to thunder dan morally was my man. Back in the day and I always loved the signs. My second best was. I got a chance to hang out. this With in nashville bradley constant. He plays the high school and rock on young rock Dude that was awesome and my mark headline is maybe ochre nuggets gets gets swept by the signs. Okay yorker mediocre neocon okay. I like that nicely. Done todd any response. I just had the one. I said you guys last that. As soon as it happened i thought of e joke did as opposed to eject it. I'm into got mixed reviews. I like it made me laugh. I'm to say thumbs down knows. I was proud of that for a little while. And then you start reading the positive ones. You look on facebook or twitter and then you read the negative windows are the ones that each yup and if you get about anybody that said there was anything good. Can you let it each you up that you just put out a mock headline unfortunately for me my sensitivity over you want everyone to like it and give you smiley faces in roses. Work that way. Rather get no reaction or you know how clever or like that one or good job at once you get the you know different gifts or gypsum images and it gets a little mean out there. In the social media landscape. I know you were pouting on friday. Due to your your limerick. I was a little bit. Because i think we that on a little bit. I believe our reaction is some of the trolls on social media waiting to. They don't know what they're supposed to think and they looked so if they like it. I guess i'll like to if they think it's stupid or annoying or overdone. Then i'm gonna just jump on that. Because i i like your limited okay so i'm not trying to just saying in general the they re the room and they're like yeah. I guess that was bad. One saying i like your limericks. If they're reading the room. I say i like it fair enough and i thought that mark headline was awesome. Thank you. It was a really good one straight way to start on monday to friday to meet friday in todd's moping and i said early stages of well it's hard to tell but i said oh my god are you are you. What are you reacting to your your limerick. And he goes yeah. Yeah there's trolls out there and you they read the room. And if you guys don't like it. I said tom do. I say i like your limericks was maybe a little bit on that how do you think they feel. They're bringing all cold trolls instead of people who just don't think it's funny. I mean some people. Just don't think. Do you think the the people caught being called trolls or like moping right now they're founded from point if it's anything that's contrary to the reaction i want. Then they fall to the troll can yes seton. I feel like you know this may be a little narcissistic of me or paranoid or something. But i feel like todd is sort of speaking around me while being in the same room as being the you know they read about people who don't like the limericks everybody comments or roll their eyes or whatever and the very specific on social. It's true it's not just him. Take it almost starting to feel bad but now i don't. Let's take a break. We'll give you our best in worse to the weekend and we'll do so right after this. Dan patrick show it's amazing. Discover matches all the cash back. You earn your credit card at the end of your first year automatically. 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He does get the ball but he does clip pains face or knows there. And i think because the wind up that's where he got tossed what i've tossed him know in a situation like that. No his coach michael malone wanted to know or was asked about would. Lebron have been tossed in a similar situation. Thing brown gets the situation. I'm not gonna touch the second one. I'll let you write right on that okay. That's very smart. Michael finally said something. Smart at these press conferences and that was do. I think lebron gets tossed. No i don't know. I don't but why it feels like everything always comes back till the braun and he's not in the playoffs. It's like a hey k. d. Can you be like lebron lebron's done this before with lesser talent. Can you do it. Of course. I brought that up in the first hour as well so i'm guilty. Yes time is that an immediate fine. If malone said there's no way they're gonna kick lebron napa go kick my guy Probably definitely going to find. Probably probably so yes mclovin. I got a little bit of trouble on twitter last night by claiming that the denver nuggets much more exciting when yokich went out. Oh my god but they were super. They went on a crazy run they. They're the lead. All these guys had never heard of monte morris and pozo like g. league team all sun was challenging the sun. Why do you do this well. I had doubt on my anti jokers take from river. That but i kinda quieted down. The second half of the season when he dominated and then he won the mvp. And now you're crowing. Yes because as you mentioned he's only mvp to get swept the magic who got hurt as you mentioned last week and i wasn't even healthy The jokers feelings got hurt when his coach accused the team of quitting the previous game. So maybe being a little sensitivity there. Maybe that's why he was trying to change the energy. Yes poll another thing in that game. I just noticed the The sons they shot ninety four percent from the free. Throw line nuggets shot. Sixty six percents. If it's if it's close to the nuggets win yeah and free throws are going to be probably gonna play a big role here from now on. Nobody wants to talk about free throws but if you look at some of these players some of these teams how well you shoot. Free throws i mean. The sons went twenty nine of thirty one from the line. That's a great weapon. And then you've got the greek freak who can't shoot and ben simmons who can't shoot yes mclovin if the sixers and the plane the bucks. I don't even want to be here because you're gonna come in angry. Every after every game complaining about their foul shooting because it drives you nuts. I just don't know how you grow up playing basketball and this is something you can do by yourself. You don't have to have great athleticism all you have to do is let me go in practice my form. Now what you can do different things that you can do to make it more game. Like you can run. Sprints and like five sprints up and down the floor stop shoot two free throws where you're going to get into a little bit more of how i'm gonna feel during again if you wanna have noise in there if you want to set the stakes. If i don't make five in a row then. I have to do it again until i make five games. You can play here but these guys get to the line. And it's john berry from the mothership said last week earlier this week he was like. What are you doing they. You know you don't want to spotlight on you and you're all alone at the free throw line all of a sudden you start to go i. I'm self aware. And you don't shoot your free throws well. He said look played one season with shack. He'd make seventeen or eighteen out of twenty in practice and then go to the line like a lot of it is mental. Because you're you're there's nobody to blame. There's nobody there it's just you dribble shoot. Yes todd and just because we get used to. Something doesn't make it okay. It's like when. Ben simmons goes to the line and we we expect him to miss one or both of them. That's not acceptable. It's not okay to say. Oh that's been simmons he's gonna miss one of strikes out a lot and we just look past it because that guy is just his thing missing thousand. Speaking of mental favorite thing in the playoffs is jeff van. Gundy the espn analyst. He's going to go crazy with janas. Free throws because you know yachts takes the full ten seconds go yesterday. The team told us that he shoots one hundred to two hundred free throws a day with his wind up to shoot a free throw that means he must be shooting fritos for seven or eight because each one is ten seconds. How does his voice is cracking the longer you take it. This happens in golf all the time. Where you're putting your waiting. Sergio garcia famously grip re grip grip re grip grip re. Just get up there. Swing the more you think the worse it gets athletes. Don't think they react. They think when they're practicing for the moment to react. But you can't get to the line ago. one two. very like my visualization. It should be get it. I would take two gerbils left tan. Put my right hand shoot. That'd be left. Bang bang right libya simple. It's like groundhog day. We have this conversation every year on the show and there's some nba star who cannot shoot free throws. When that's really do for a living. He does have to drive the bus or do anything else for his team. Fascinating and the. The greek freak is not getting better like he's getting worse at the free throw line like three years ago shooting seventy seven percent. Now you down to sixty four percent. You don't have a reliable outside shot at all you have to moves you do a lot of wonderful things but in the playoffs he gets exposed because he only does one or two things. Do white howard famously. Never had a signature move an entire hall of fame. Career never had a signature move. Never developed him on the greek freak. Needs help to be able to like. Be that go-to guy. Because he's not that go-to guy in the playoffs. I think he's a wonderful talent but he's got to get better and shooting. At least you have to at least go like brook. Lopez's should get together with the greek freak because brook lopez famously didn't take threes until we goaded him into. Hey we take three in the all star game and he did and then he's become a very reliable three point shooter. He should help the greek freak. Can you teach someone better. Shot selection though. I mean form is one thing right but a lot of the a lot of. That's not bad by the way that's pretty good. It's pretty good He has shot selection. It's just been pretty terrible. Yes they're telling. teach. That i guess you. Can i think having the awareness of where am i on the floor. What are the numbers. And should i be taken this shot because he'll come down and pull up from three and it like when you open up a ladder. He shoots zipper opening up a ladder and it does not look good at all club. I thought that the cognizant a told him he had to shoot that shot to keep people on this. Haven't we been time. Ben simmons to take that shot janas takes it so you'll come up on him so he can drive pass you and it doesn't work in the playoffs but in the regular season that's okay but is there interest to favorite players by the way benson's i like y'all duda. I'm not simmons fan. He's something new back there but wait exciting. What that means. I thought janas had to shoot that to open things up. He just has not hidden. You have to make those. It's not that you shoot though if you said. Hey greek freak is going to be taken threes. The nets are going. Hell yes was good keeps shooting so it's one thing to take them. It's another thing to make them. He needs to make them. That would be. That would be a little more important than just taking them. What about ben simmons. Should he just take some even though he's probably gonna hit them. I feel like he should take a miss him. And i think that's better than what he does now. Well he looks better at taken. That shot than the greek freak does but he never does so no he. He doesn't have any confidence. And that's really what it comes down to his his no confidence. It's it's lonzo ball you can see that. There are sort of paralyzed when they're wide open berry in long island is back. Hey barry best and worst of the weekend good morning followed the weekend I hate to bring up hockey again. But the little engine. That could my new york. Islanders go into tampa bay game. Number one of the stanley cup semifinals Worst weekend ran out of propane grill but was able to salvage the wings under the broiler. He was hurt. Thank you barry. Thank you for that. Update marco and arizona's back. Hey marco when be Dan patrick show dan nation. How is everyone this morning. Absolutely sweep of course dp. Hey man by the way nickname for you. I'm surprised you didn't drop it on his belt hammer. We need that t shirt anyway. We're sweeping people in phoenix baby. The basketball squad has to be recognised. Shout out to my eric button. Worse game last night. Shot up to my sister in austin as well lori. Love you but listen man. My best of the best even know phoenix is crushing. The game right now was. Ufc twenty-three flyweight brandon more than the first mexican ufc fighter to ever have a belt. This is mexico's first. Bell and usc to sixty was fantastic man. I don't know if you got to look at the whole card was amazing. Israel out of sarnia is doing this thing but yeah man hundred sixteen degrees. Today we love. Y'all we love nation. Thank you marco. That's marco i i watched some of the nate diaz fight discus because i'm fascinated that nate d as he's got a few losses but man deceive when he fights the fights until the very end and nearly stole that fight winthrop in north carolina winthrop. Hey dan how are you today. Eight great win. Well thank you. Thank you for taking my call Yeah there's been a lot of talk about the state of baseball on the show lately. rightly so and i gotta tell you if you're if you're worried about the game itself You shouldn't be because college game is amazing. Right now. I've been watching the super regionals weekend specifically my virginia cavaliers speed da- dallas baptist university in a real pitchers do nothing nothing in well into the seventh inning. And it was. It was just great to see the strategy of the coaches small ball and all the rest so i just think that You know major league baseball is got major problems base. Maybe should look to the college game for some some relief. The worst of the weekend is all the pyre reviews during these games. I mean guys fights the second and you know the empire scott review it guys sites in it. How on parts retail it. I wanna give a shout out to see. I think never mind is a great idea. All right well thank you. Were went through background. We're not sure if that's the idea for the calendar but it could be with seton. He is recreating. We're recreating album covers for our calendar. You might also take that back once you see said album comb. I'm not gonna let them see that month. We might reveal some other months some photos that we've taken so far. Because i want that to be the surprise. Sorta like your thanksgiving surprise for everybody. And you've ruined thanksgiving. Aw for thousands. Even if scenes month is july. we're gonna put it. After december in our calendar like we should just move july to the very end like november december july. There's some great great photos. It's going to be so much fun. But we'll let you know when you can pre-order the calendar there. It's a doozy. I think there's a few this year. Yeah there's a lot of fun. And and i said that everybody can pick whatever album cover they want and we picked to peace and there are some rejected ones as well. But it's pretty good todd. Best worst the weekend. Best of the weekend. Playoff p showing up for game three at staples saturday night. Thirty one points six three pointers up the clippers get back into the series with jazz. My worst incredible tennis match between novak djokovic rafa nadal on friday unfortunately had to end in just four sets. Incredible volleys shots bummed. It didn't go the distance to set because there was just incredible tennis going on. Thank you taunt mclovin. Would you prefer if i sang my best or should i just tell you about my singing in the heights in height. Yeah lin manuel miranda's play in the heights. Movie came out this weekend. Why the oscar race is over. Oh okay best picture for sure. Lots of other officers are gonna come out now. This came out prior to hamilton. His play that he wrote before. Hamilton got him to be sort of thing and they did a movie version. It's really really well done okay. I it's on. Hbo max and in theaters. yeah worse. I guess danny green injury. I don't know if that's good. Or bad for the seventy sixers. He's out with a calf strain so they have to start somebody else. I don't know what's happening. In the eastern conference. She knew connor. Best and worst. My best of the weekend is the captain of the denmark team. Who was this guy simone care. He was the first person there. When christian erickson went down and this dude basically single handedly at played him. He played a major role in saving. Kristen ericsson's life. He was there he was the first guy to do. Cpr on them unblocked his breathing wages airways he rounded up his teammates to surround christian erickson so could have privacy. He was the dude comforting christian. Eriksson's wife when it happened. He kind of took over the whole show nat. He's got a new nickname. Urgent urgent care you go. I like it catch on. No yeah dude is a hero for sure. Now your worst. My worst is. I could've used him. Perhaps he's better at applying some sun block omega. Because i'm once again losing that battle. I q funny to about this show. It's sort of. It has a funny way of consuming your life because as soon as i got home and saw felt before that's like dang i think i'm gonna get summer and i looked at soon as i saw my face. I thought well the morning meetings taking care of yup immediately is the for not like dang what happened. I thought put some like honor. Whatever like oh well paul's all set morning meetings good makes pauly's job easier but walked in and i looked over ago. Oh my god seton and he goes what what said. You're your bird because the rest of may not but just my faces. Yeah seen looks like a guy in a movie who gets sunbird whereas that extreme where it's like it's red sweaty and shiny best and worst pool. Best that we. I've watched a lot of college baseball. You don't even know. Any of the names john winthrop from north carolina. Been watching a lot of base. It's fun. I don't really know any of the teams. The players watching dallas baptist. Yesterday i don't even know. I'm guessing there in dallas but i love the ping enjoy that. I don't really think they should have a metal bats in the pros. But i love the ping the sound of the ping college baseball and then as i guaranteed years ago dan with the michael phelps bet that he would participate and swim in the olympics. Michael phelps in the building yesterday for the olympic swim trials. Now he didn't get in the pool. Which kind of hampers my side of it. But he was in the building and looked ready to race. Yeah it's not happen. He looked ready to go not happy. I like how we have a caller saying. 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I just don't know the severity of chris paul and sometimes when you suffered a sprained ankle it doesn't feel as bad when you sprain it and then starts to swell and then when you're not able to be walking on it then that's where you start to get that pain. I don't know he was in a walking boot. Kyri was after the game. But i i don't know he's got two days to try to rehab that but that is an injury that won't go away not this year during the postseason and the same thing with james harden not gonna go away we know that joel embiid is gonna need surgery on his knee net in the off season. That's not going away either. This is this is a battle of attrition. you look at the lakers. It wasn't a question of if but when one of the two was going to get hurt and it turned out to be anthony davis and that costs them being healthy trying to stay healthy. How many of your players are healthy. If the milwaukee bucks can beat brooklyn nets then they're going to be changes in milwaukee. You can pretty much guarantee that and that usually starts with the head coach. Yep oh here's paul paul. If you were steve nash. Who would you prefer to have healthy for the rest of the playoffs. And you can't the other one's not healthy. They don't come back kyrie irving or james harden you get them fully healthy for the rest of the other ones out. It's weird but i think kyri and durant play well together better together. Their friends hardened to me is a better player. But i would probably go with with kyri with durant because i think they sort of stand each other a little bit better. Yes and i think too because kyrie's one before which is just players always talk about like you don't know what it takes to get over that hump or like what it takes to be a champion and pushing that extra level so they have kyrie inc and durant doing that together. Make sense you know. Milwaukee played really good defense. They four seventeen turnovers that matches brooklyn's total turnovers in the previous two games combined stat of the day. But instead of the seventy sixers hawks game four and jazz clippers game for as well holy sent me a note. He said guess. Here's a list of big bands that he never had a top ten hit. And i go all right. Send it to me. And i thought all right let me look at this black sabbath. Ac dc rush jethro tall jimi hendrix. The ramones who else is in here. Bob marley and the wailers ja- throw tall did not have a top. This is top twenty hit ten billboard like when the song came out okay. Acdc hell's bells rock you all night. Long shook you all night long. i would. I hill though. Seem like top ten. Hits at the time Yes he i engine to get you upset. But lou reed no top ten hits just saying oh walk on the wild side and know across her squeeze. I would have thought Just because they were a poppy band their biggest hit was pulling mussels from shell s on eighty six. Yeah the black coffee in bed. The coffee in bed. yeah squeeze. That's a fun little singalong band pulling mussels from traffic now. Traffic didn't write songs. That would have been top. Ten hits hendrix. I would have thought maybe. But all along the watchtower i'm gay. What's hendrix's biggest hit. I think it's all along the watchtower and that got twenty okay. According to billboard his it is matter that to cover of dylan is still qualifies. Right yeah bob marley. I shot the sheriff. I wonder if eric clapton made it though. Yeah i'm guessing clapton's version of i shot the sheriff but i didn't shoot the deputy. No woman no cry. Bob marley but i dunno redemption. It's pretty tough to make it into the top ten. It's not just top ten of rock and roll bands. Yeah polling well. I think we got this. Because about a dozen people saw rush on their incentives to me an social media I wasn't surprised because rush. When thomson came out it was not. It was still underground. Spirit of the radio but weight by the band. yes eric. Clapton version peaked at number one. Go Ramones blitzkrieg bop. Oh yeah i guess. I'm not surprised and maiden would not be there black sabbath no traffic. No little surprise that. Acdc little surprise at squeeze Maybe a little surprised at hendrix. The ramones i thought maybe they would get one in there. In bob marley. I would've thought i shot the sheriff. Yes i would love to get a list of awful bands who had two top ten like. No one hit wonders like a decks. He's been but is there a band that had no long. Jetty is considered a joke. Chombo wamba i don't think had a second hit. I'm guess. What did millie bonilla have. Two top ten hits. That's a good call. They might have because they had blame it on the rain. And it's true. Yeah yeah yeah. That's right you guys do. And the fact that that meltdown happened across the street from espn at lake compounds. That they were on the stage at the amusement park. That's right across the street from. Espn in in do natto. He's trying to dance. Your girl you know girl. You're i got a few to hit wonders. Okay mark wahlberg. Good vibrations went number. One and a song called wild side was number ten interesting. What else do you have in. I'm going through the list. How about matchbox twenty cisco cisco top. Dogs on went number. Three and a song called incomplete. Which i'm not familiar with with number one. Yes to tone lok wild thing and funky cold medina. I don't really think he did much beyond that. Yeah probably a few to hit wonders in. I think matchbox twenty at a lot of big hit. They did rajon is still performing the rembrandt they've had to where they got the one from the friends theme song and then another one called just the way it is baby. That's the follow up to bat. Whatever that's friends theme song as the remix. They're more phone calls coming up. We'll talk to mark jackson from the mothership on the games. 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HR 2: Tipping Etiquette

Mason & Ireland

43:44 min | 2 months ago

HR 2: Tipping Etiquette

"There is matthew stafford. Who's going to lead us to super bowl. Fifty six at so-fi stadium in february momo. It's happening you feel it feel it feel it so at any moment michael thompson could bust in here. I don't know what he's what he's doing there. But we're talking you know. He's got to call again important trying to cover for him house. I bought the raiders. Apparently are rampaging las vegas and not tipping anywhere in. Somebody pointed out. Dirk cars really nice guy and tips. Well yes der cars and ice guy and tips well story according to that blog but other raiders. Do not. i'm just curious. Things have gotten better or worse since the pandemic and has a celebrity ever tipped you really well or tipped you really badly Let's go to dan in pasadena dan. You're on seven ten. What's up man. One of each for i used to i used to work valet cat the bad pete sampras. He's got a square in his back pocket where his wallet is because it never comes out you and the and the good is jim hill. Twenty dollar bills nice. That's great man. Boy pete sampras. That's kind of disappointing dan. Thanks very much for the phone call. Yeah i'm telling you if you've got any public profile you've got to like if you're a raider you've gotta tip. Well you're a raider. They're gonna know your good it. I'm telling you you just logistically hard it is. It's funny when a lot of famous people. Oh man i'm having so much problem. You're what what's the problem like. What's going on. So i go to the bahamas. Yup i get the ocean club. Yup in my room is a complimentary bottle of jab. J. begic jet jamaican and bahamian sugarcane rumou. So i opened up the bottle. And i tasted and it's the best woman ever tasted. It tastes like taking. It could cure cancer my initials to My initials j. b. I'll get to. So i the problem. I'm at the hotel i say. Listen this is so good. I need the orderly twelve bottles of this. Anti can take it back to the states and pass it around horror. He and to and more as a big she likes rom masonite mason. I'll drink i'll drink. you'll drink. I guarantee you that. So anyway. So i purchased the hotel me no problem. You'll have a ship to you right away it's an fedex fedex just call me and says michael thompson asked me some questions what what did you get this one four. I said it's a private purchase just for my pleasure. Only i'm not getting this room to try to or anything that right. You're not a rum dealer. My just my personal friends and anyway they're running through renton. You'd think trying to import a bomb or some kind of. Don't you have to pay duty when you come in from another muscle problem that the problem is the the china. Some red tape is like. What is this one. Four with the purchase of it. You need some kind of spencer permit commercial. I said this is not commercial just from my own personal use bring you or did you have a shift a shift. I had a shift and wine when i was over. They a chip back to me. You will think. I'm trying to import drugs doing running me through right now. Anyway you through the bahamas people or the us people usb of course yes crazy. Of course anyways the fed ex is working on it trying to get it expedited over here as soon as possible. But it's like all this red. It's just a couple of bottles a room. i try to know creating any kind of crazy chemicals. You're not you're not opening a mtv's bahamian super a hand to my friends by next facts. Gotta 'cause he's like look man. Keep a bottle and senator yeah. I thought somebody stole it. Because i got the tracking number and everything i call fedex and they told me he was there was getting shipped out a call back the next day says anyway and i. It was much case of rum. Won't arrive to me in my mansion on the beach. I tell you you've taken you'd be pissed off. Do yeah michael. we're just talking about tipping. How are you a tipping. I'm good if you if you give me good service. I'll tip you generously. But if you'll make me wait a long time on the table if you're rude and inconsiderate i'll tip somebody getting a big tip so but but i believe in tipping people and helping out people who helped me. Of course. here's where i go. You mentioned something really interesting. Which is when the service is late when it takes a long time to get your food. Yeah it's really not your servers fall. Whose fault is it's the kitchens fault. Well they could come over. No i've talked about before they even come to the table to ask you what you want that kind of stuff you made. It takes a long time for them to even get you that because there is such thing as being the weeds. If you are a waiter waitress server host hosted longest you'd have had to wait for a serpent. Come over when you sat down at a table happens being low twenty minutes. Wait yeah wrong with that happens so when i travel overseas sometimes i would travel with my mom so be to lady sitting in a restaurant and i don't know what that is but it just does not lead to good service je Italy over yeah. She's i think it's sorta like people think the man's going to pay so they're not going to get a good tip of its to a mom and daughter so everything moves slower in europe. I've done that too Twenty twenty five minutes or so bleak learned that if if it starts off where like you they don't even come over and you sit down and it takes ten minutes for them to say. Would you like some water. or here's a menus. Like i should probably get up right. Because that's the only meal is going to be frustrating especially when you see walking around and other people in the awards serving other people you know michael. I was at dinner last night at a really nice steakhouse. I was a bulla which today house over on ocean. Santa monica randall. White wine red of course at stake. That's right you're a man always read with stay. They'll tell it to ireland way. We chianti noah. What does the chardonnay short that. So ireland gratiot show so we're sitting down last night small group of friends and one of these friends who shall remain nameless ordered their steak. Well done and my guy lost all respect. I'm like well done. What about media is not medium. Well at least you've got a little bit of picnic but well well yeah. I don't understand at all. I mean steak for a steak should be medium rare. I want some. I want some sun. Pink steak no. I can't i like medium to stick to raw. That's real real men. Eat medium rare. Why don't you to stay tar tar. Then you know what's funny. I've had steak tartar. I totally dig it. Yeah meet you can't even do that with sam bennett. Fire right to me. Well need a well done steak. But i usually get meeting well get medium medium. I i'll goes media. Can't do that little bit mostly medium. Well mostly meeting. I an media well media. Well demands rabai nice new york. Yeah this is the people of color thing medium. Well you know what the race i tell you. Can i tell you. Why might i never and i are such a good match. He loves the fat. And like he'll like. I won't even order a rabbi. Because it's too fattening. I like just the new york or new york. Fat flavor is good. I don't swallow it but it is good that she likes prime rib like to me. I'm like a whole bunch of fat. So i basically if i if i get a piece of steak or some kind of meat whatever it has to a pork chop or something has too much fat on it. I'll just cut my fat off. And i'll say now. I got a great by the fat right here. You're fat. he eats it whole. Oh i can't do that delicious. I can't eat the by the way you put ketchup on your steak. Right michael. Well yeah that is terrible. Smother it but a little bit of catch because i have to catch up on my potatoes. Nobody'll some spills onto the state. Wipe it off. It's chef appreciates catch up on the they don't like it when you order that but i usually get it for the potatoes. Yeah hey let me ask you one thing here before we go to our actually. No i'm gonna ask about the jack morris thing. Did you see jack morris thing. Yeah i heard about that. Okay i want to ask you about it when we come back. Jack morris in Has been suspended today by the tigers and by the bali sports midwest network that broadcast tigers games. We'll tell you exactly. Why coming up next for you mason ireland seventeen. Espn i am. Momo is in for john today. Michael thompson is hanging out. Lindsay's here jorges here whole gang. So michael i don't know if you listeners you were driving in do of course especially when ramona's on hey lindsey's voice when ireland's going to ceo's with so much. I mean you know youtube. of course. Yeah so jack morris. Last night during a tigers angels game on television in detroit said this when shohei otani was coming to the plate. Now what do you do with. Shohei ohtani berry. Better careful later in the game next at bat for otani. Here's what jack morris said well folks Shohei otani is coming to the plate and It's been brought to my attention. And i sincerely apologize if i offended anybody especially anybody in the asian community for what i said about pitching and being careful to jose shohei ohtani. I did not intend for any offensive thing. And i apologize if i did certainly respect and have the utmost respect for this guy and Don't blame a pitcher for walking. So there's jack morris said now. Let me be really clear what i said last hour when we talked about this was that i think at some point. This becomes a teachable moment. Jack moore screwed up badly. It is not okay to make fun of an asian accent under any circumstances. Hopefully it's a teachable moment for everybody because i. This is not uncommon. Other people are out there. Doing this and by correcting jack morris. We are in turn raising putting a spotlight on this particular issue. There is a rise of anti asian violence. Anti a asian. Hate out there. Hate groups are involved in in that scenario. So i i think the jack morris has apologized. He's been suspended. The question is michael. what's your take. Should he be fired. No should he be suspended. No where to be suspended right so sensitive about everything last night. Should jerry jones spend it. What are you doing going say. He imitated or mocked the accent of his defensive line coach. Who's from england. You know he spoke like an englishman like englishman. Now should Money and petrels be suspended for they use the mock my accent all the time on the air with them and i thought it was hilarious because i used to get mad and say you make me sound like a jamaican not a behavior and he was. I don't know. I don't think you understand why this would be very very offensive to america's guess so but should i have been offended when they were mocking my accent. I don't know were you know okay. It's funny it's in the. I actually didn't bother you didn't bother it. Didn't bother you at all but at all case the asian community is really upset about it. Yeah don't know. I guess if somebody i don't know i wanna say this. Those are your friends making fun of your accent right like you guys are having fun on the radio. Sure jack moore isn't shohei ohtani friend. You don't know him so you don't really get to do that about somebody you don't know about something that is like it's not like they're sitting on a radio show chopping it up having fun but the like shohei wasn't making fun of himself. He's just like. I thought it was in poor taste was it was stupid. No filter old guy comment. Don't do that And and i think this has mentioned a little. I would just game a game. Right now says indefinite suspended indefinitely. There should be consequences for actions. Like you shouldn't just be able to say sorry. My bad like you should say sorry my bad and then there's there is some consequence but i don't i don't agree with cancel culture on issues like this. It's just not everything is you should be fired exactly. We can't rush to fire everybody despite the climate that we live in now should we highlight this. Should we talk about it. Yeah because it's instructive to other people. Right i mean i jack. Morris isn't the only guy who's doing a mock asian accent as a source of humor. I think the suspension. I'm okay with. I don't think he should be fired under any circumstances is and move on. He did apologise maybe. He gives a fuller apology. But i don't think we can just throw everybody away like the trash at some point. Yeah which is. I think what happens. Wait way too often way too often. I so let me let me get to this. Because you're here. Michael and this is perfect. And momo you know the warriors really well so you're perfect for this also katie. Everybody remembers that katie and draymond green had a confrontation on the court at staples center back in twenty eighteen. At the end of a game and durant are draymond called durant a b. word and went on to tell him. We don't need you. We won without you leave now. These guys have actually talked about it. This is a clip of kevin durant and draymond green draymond. Green doing the interview of kevin. Durant this just came out getting my denver since you left so just for my own personal sanity. How much did our argument against the clippers. Drive you to ultimately media wars. It wasn't an argument. It was the the way to everybody's steve. Kerr act like it didn't happen. Bob myers and tried to just discipline. You wouldn't think that that would put the mask of everything. I really felt like those such a big situation for us as a group. The first time we went through something like that we had to get out so he goes on to say that he thinks that the reason this went badly. Was that steve. Kerr pretend like it didn't happen at all and and ignored it. And bob myers suspended draymond green and they feel that it's because of the outside. The management approach to this situation was the reason why it went. South michael what do you think. Well i thought Steve kerr did address it. That's why. And bob and that's why. They suspended because they disagreed with three on right. So that's why they suspended him. what did they what. i don't understand. This is one of those things where everybody who is talking. You know it reminds me a little shack and coby Where by the end like shaq was acting like oh we never hated each other. Those all marketing. I was like okay. There was real beef. Yeah that was real. So here's i. I heard about this later at the time and i reported on it a couple of times. I don't maybe just doesn't get picked up but when you just keep talking about the same fight that happened three years ago. Maybe th those parts. Don't come out again. They did talk about a week. After that fight there was a big meeting with the five or six principal guy. That does the hamptons five or whatever but they had a big meeting. There was a big like meeting with played staff dream on a cagey andrea goodall. All those i think bob myers even flew in for this meeting. They had a big meeting or they were on the road. They gotta room. It was several hours. They talked about kate. Katie was there. They all did talk it out so this idea that they'd never talked about it that it was just dream on got suspended yet. Draymond got suspended and he was not happy about it because his point was me and kevin need to squash it ourselves. That's true and and dream on wanted to do on his own time. Not when they were telling him to apologize. I'll apologize on my own time. Yeah but they did a week afterwards. Were on the road and they had this big media. We'll call it a meeting or if they i. I can't say exactly where it was. I don't know the detail where it was but it was on the road and all of the principals were there. It wasn't a john the whole locker room but it was the six or seven. Most important guys the hamptons five. Or where do you want call. And they're all there. They all talked about it for several hours. Thought so like did did did everybody. Just forget. that happened or did not get picked up reporting wise like did you picked up in this interview. I just pretend like the question was how much argument contribute. It really did blame. Steve kerr and bob marley. And i think this is a case of players. Eventually when they they're the ones in court together. Michael and you know this players play together. They go to war for each other. They got each other's back. And so later on when you go relitigate this stuff. It's real easy to look back and coach and the gm and right. But i get that. That's just players in a karate that they have down there four hundred miles away from the bay area. I think forty miles and i thought that management showed k. d. that they were on his side. Suspending dream aunt conduct detrimental to the team. That's not acceptable. So you you're gonna get suspended. Missile games paid a lot of money for guy making twenty five million bucks a year. So i thought this a message. Decay d. that this is not acceptable end. This is not going to be tolerated. Michael was that the breaking point was that was that the end in other words after that incident was at sealed. Done deal was leaving. I don't think so. I think k. D. for some reason i said this before. He had the perfect situation there before. The injury set in is the perfect basketball situation that everybody looks for. Yeah why would you wanna leave. But i guess he just had it in his mind. I've done all. I can do here and i wanna go. Start a new challenge on the east coast with kyri. And that's what. I came up with that in his own. The whole reason dream on called him out in that game is because it was somewhat of an open secret that katie was thinking of leaving or leaving before the season. Even i mean. I think right all the players in the warriors head either directly from katie. Or somebody talked to heal secrets an nba. Yeah there's no secret. And so. I think a lot of people knew he had he was gonna play it out and draymond says on this podcast. We listened to closely. He says the only reason you came back he's at. I think you were done with all this after the second championship. And the only reason you came back is the chance to go for a three peat. He says this that We didn't play the clip dream online. Says that so in other words draymond saying to kevin durant. You had one foot out the door you just came back so we can chase it three pete and that's exactly right dream he's telling the truth okay and draymond called him out. During that clipper game because katie got upset. He didn't i think it was. He didn't get the last shot. And katie and dream was like well. We won without you. You know you're leaving any way. What do you care. And it was probably not the right way to handle awfully not not in a in the heat of a moment at the end of a game. That was not the right immature. You j. mas fiery. He called it out but he was. He's got skiing. Momo is that there's a little bit of revisionist yeah and also what happened kevin's happy in brooklyn. He's happy with kyri for now for now. We'll see but what happened happened. Draymond called him out because drain runs out locker room. If you don't know the warriors draymond runs out locker room. He's the guy he's the voice and so he was saying what was on. Everyone's mind which was. Why are you leaving. Kevin just won two titles. If you're gonna leave and there's gonna be our last dance okay. But like they didn't have to like it. I think the warriors felt like they all change and sacrifices they did the four kevin when they brought him aboard and he they won titles together. And it's like what more do you want to do to get you to stay like working. We have done. Do you think part of reason why i wanted to left in spite of the winning the championships because people like stephen smith calling him. Yes off because he one hundred percents history. He realized it didn't vindicate him title time finals. Mvp will still ripping and people are still ripping and by the way and if he wins the title in brooklyn. God forbid people say. Yeah well you had to go there and form a super team. That's the only way you could win. I think he will get more credit if they win. And brookings deals. They will give his super awesome. Kevin durant is an awesome player. That's more than the broncos game. Lebron was the best for many many years we've taken the mantle now. He's player in the league. If i had wanted to win he knows guys. Yup i'm in la. So i gotta say lebron. I still say lebron just because i feel like lebron okay. D- feel bad about keady is really close but i feel like lebron gets out of his teammates and his style of play was the first person to say this. But steve kerr said recently. There's never been a score score as easy as michael jordan agreed score. Kobe kareem. we all know about him in wilt but when it comes to scoring how easy to never seen a pair like ever. It's unbelievable. I'm trying to think of who else i bernard king. Maybe he doesn't have katie's moves all there's only there's only four. The guys you could say is in that category who scores easiest korean korean will colby and jordan. That's it those are the four. You can't put anybody else in that category. They can score anytime they want to. I'd actually katie at the top of that list. I know because of the right either way in score and how well he can chew he. He's one of the greatest three shooter several his game. All right i'll tell you what Coming up next for you. Michael quarterback evaluation has never been your strength. What are you talking about his. Never been your. Who was telling you about lamar jackson you you were telling me about. Tim did well. Denver didn't he could laugh. You just ignore the fact that he picked the steelers in the playoffs. But now where's he knows you. Why did he. Why did he get left out of the league could play. Look hold this conversation this conversation. We'll get into a next because there is a quarterback that we all know who has been thrown on the trashy points again and we will talk about that coming up also radio. Tinder is coming up to michael thompson. Saying michael you got the game today. I sure do it's about teams. That have changed their name. Excellent so even even rona might win this one. Maybe maybe she won yesterday to august. Yeah i more mason and ireland coming up next seven to ten. Espn so what's going on. Michael thompsons hanging out in for john. Today well tell you what took off. Yesterday on. Social media is this. Is this around. Town is this raiders town conversation. Damn people are mad to. Momo says this is the raiders town just want. I was just tech tweeting. Somebody you know. They haven't been here for a quarter century when they left. They had the twenty eighth best attendance in the league. People were not showing up for them when they were los angeles momo. Yeah but it was. Also the games are the cost and it was hard to get tickets and just like hard to get tickets. There were plenty of. It wasn't fun to go. It wasn't fun to go out. Los angeles didn't really think there were here for the long haul. Everybody's leaving well. All i remember is they always were. You never can watch them on tv because there was never a sell out at the games and so the nfl had policy where sell it out and it was like blacked out in la and that really. That really hurt because people you know i. I don't blame people for not wanting to go to games like it's hassle mean why. Why would you gain your team as you watch them on. Tv michael going to a lakers game and watch big team and i want you know there. There's a difference between going to being part of that environment and watching it on. And it's a whole day fight the crowds. You got to be like wayside. I would rather see it on. Tv football game. Just nothing now have you. You've been to browns games though right lintz. Yes and has watch. I'd much rather watch it on. Tv yeah much rather be at the game much. Rather be part of the environment much like you know you like to try like the people around teams by we measure them by attendance shouldn't ways we measure teams by it. I mean there's so many many laker fans out there dodger fans and never go to games watch. Tv but four million people go to dodger games every year staple center sold out. What is it forty-one nights a year. It is fun to go to the games. I'm just so expensive and it's late and you're busy michael. You like to be home and your room. You travel all the time game on your day off. If i lived like i live right around here. I can walk to the game or go to a lot of them. But i just hate driving traffic or i get it. Yeah that's awesome yeah. I don't get it. I love being in it. I love gone And it one. And i've yet to miss a regular season game. I'm gonna miss this home. Game preseason preseason game half the teams to fight the other night. I was there for the fight and we actually talked to number the number ninety nine guy. Yeah called in. he did. Yeah doing because he was getting messed up. His eyes messed up. Yeah he got he got a shiner out of it and the police helped him out but he was getting crushed. Did he not say it was worth it. What do you think about after. He said he was really upset with all the people who were just filming it for their camera phones and we're helping him instead of trying to help them. Yeah did you ask them. Why didn't he just walk away. He tried to emulate soda beer beer and then it reignited the entire thing. They started fighting again but it was here. Again's five guys but he said they had been talking this whole time the whole game. They had been talking about. This is our house and he was saying. You guys are just renters. You know it was a little trash talk between fans and he walked over there he he was going to say something to him and then he was going to walk away and then the lady through the beer and he didn't know where it came from like somebody threw a beer at me. Let's throw it out all right. We're a little screwed up on our Clock here michael. The quarterback quarterbacks at three o'clock i will ask you about quarterback evaluation which you can be somewhat faulty at lot and coming up next radio. Tinder lynn's is going to throw a bunch of stuff atas mason and ireland seven ten. Espn not following lindsay on instagram. What are you doing with your life. You are wasting it lindie. How do we follow you on instagram. That's right mace. And if you are wasting your life you can turn it around real quick by following me on instagram at lindsey baseball. Why all right so first story here. Giants owner john mara one of the members of the nfl competition committee that was responsible for the anti taunting changes. He spoke with the media on tuesday and was asked about the discussions that the committee had leading to their decision. Here's what he said. That's something we discuss. Every year in the competition committee we get sick and tired of taught in that does go on from time to time on the field. We try to balance the sportsmanship with allowing players to have fun. And there's always a fine line never none of us like to see that and it's just a question of whether you can have rules that can be enforced without the following the game to the nobody wants to see a player taunton and other player. I know i certainly don't think the rest of the members of the competition all right so it's worth noting that the competition committee consists of two owners to team presidents to gm's in three head coaches. They are not the people who make the nfl. that's the players and the fans. I think we can all agree social the competition competition committee. Really be the ones or deciding on this. Anti poaching roles right. And that's the one that says i agree right. Yes correct so as much as he sounds like old guy. Get off my lawn and we don't like it when the player taunt each other i mean he is the one who runs a business. That's your that's your boss. That's also the guy who deals with the broadcast networks and all the other sponsors pay the bills and if they don't like it they don't like it so on on some level. I mean i don't like that. They're cracking down on this either. I think taunting is fine. I think it's part of the game. I think you're just trying. You got allow some of it. But i don't know it's on some low. We have respect for the people who work for. Yeah i mean first of all. I think the competition. That's actually the right body to make a decision like this or tell referees to start enforcing the rule is. I made an argument last week. Some at some point about this. Saying that i really don't like taunting. I think it has the opportunity to escalate it. Could it can get bad. We saw what happened with myles garrett and baker extreme you keep going why would i. Why the potential. That's the potential. Did you see the talking. They call on the running back the people that the. That's what we're talking about. You know that was not taunting. I would argue. That was not even talk exactly. But that's what they're gonna called guy show emotional after a big play they're gonna think that's taunting that's what you want a bunch of spock's that was not taunting that was an incorrect official again. Ramona lindsey where jalen ramsey breaks up a huge past. He can't get up and go. Do the incomplete pass should be able to do that. You'll go taunting don't accordingly mace. Don't do it at the guy is what i'm saying. Stand over a guy. Like don't stand over a guy that moment comedy knocks the passed down limit. Julio jones fall to the ground he gets up and just us incomplete you. You'll say that's taunting right as he doing it facing him. Is he doing incomplete in. Who knows walking by him as he's doing it and he's not even a nice i. I am in favor of the anti taunting rule. Take in most robots they expect players to be robots. No no no. They've changed the celebration rules. They've done all kinds of stuff to to increase the emotion on the field but this particular area. I do agree with the competent. That was an incorrect call. Said it today. Somebody said I think it was stephen. A smith on max kellerman. You've got a bunch of guys who never played the game telling these guys how they should act on the field. They don't understand the emotions of the game and it's so right about that. Well it's ridiculous all the players on. Espn all the experts. Saying this is a ridiculous rule. I should tell you something. yeah well. The rule hasn't changed just to be clear. The rule has always been there. They didn't add or with now but not just decided they're going to focus on enforcing ridiculous forever. I like to see gosh. Joey most on the field allegation directly taunt stand over each other all that. Oh you don't want to hurt their feelings not i. Just don't i don't want anything to escalate. I don't want things to escalate. That's all that's all lind's what's next all right. So jennifer lopez is apparently ready to sever all ties with her ex fiance. Alex rodriguez as her romance with ben. Affleck pizza according to us weekly. Jaylo is washing her hands of him romantically and also as a business partner. Her management team and her lawyer will be talking to his team to type any loose ends now. This is a little bit different. Than when jaylo and a-rod. I split up if you remember. They released a joint statement that said they would quote. Continue to work together and support each other shared businesses and projects. But now the jaylo is dating ben affleck and he's in the picture apparently she's prepared to either sell her side of the companies that they altogether or by out. She doesn't care how it goes down just that she's free of ties to him. Because that's what's fair to bet so if you and your lover were also business partners but then you broke up. You all started like twelve trying. Prevent any confusion between the word lover and partner so serve over emphasize it again. Can you emphasize it like really. Yeah just like mason. Set it here lover. We're also business partners but then you grow up. Would you feel obligated to end the business relationship out of respect for your new lovers white blood or swipe right yeah. Well i've been in the situation with my love of like twelve so i started. I started a business. The movie theater. I started with my first boyfriend and the business ran for thirteen. Sixteen twenty years. We were open for twenty years in theaters all over the place whether it be zeus or hawthorne or palm desert or usc all those theaters after we broke up the company ran on and my pre my boyfriend's after that in particular one had to deal with what was left over of my relationship my original founding partner which was not fun so had i had it to do over again. I might have severed our relationship. But i have to tell you for twenty years. I made it work. Yeah and want suffered through it Yeah this is difficult hong. When you go into business with a spouse or young into business with a you know somebody you're with romantically and then break up at all. Go south why they tell you to do a pre-nup and everybody thinks it won't happen to them and yeah i've never been in that position. I hope it never be in that position But yeah. I don't blame her. I think is smart. And i think she does probably if she really she i think her and ben really do have a love magic. I i i was like. Oh man they just doing this for the cameras. Now are you reporting that kuzak could be aggregating you know. She has referred to him as the one that got away. Yeah i mean you know. I thought it was just a lot of. Pda like they were trying to show off or something but it does seem like it's very genuine. I've i've actually made some calls in this call so your reporting this sure that would be something that would be something i. They run over the last couple. Months has come off as desperate. He he area desperate. He moved into the same neighbourhood. Rented a house in the same neighborhood in the hamptons where jaylo was then went on vacation in the french riviera where ben jennifer were. Alex had a vacation out there too. It's it just seems weirdly desperate on the mark of a rod. He today to get it back. I don't know today. Says it was the greatest five years of his life and meanwhile she's cutting off all ties including any business ties. They had get outta here. go away. yeah it's not you it's me no it's you it's you you're the problem a-rod yeah i totally i would not recommend staying in business with an axe. It's not easy work not easy work you yeah if you remarry and some. You shouldn't be still in business with your accent brings complications to your relationship to many complications. Make sure makes your spouse or your other. Your partner probably feel uncomfortable sales very secure with themselves and don't bother me but for the most part makes things uncomfortable lens. What about you i. I think that it's probably tricky to go into business with like a spouse or partner in the first place and i mean if you do break up or you get divorced then you're always gonna have a tie to that person and some type of obligation to them and so like you know it. Sure it's very different than having a child with someone because you're bringing a child into this earth but to me. I think it's you know it's a symbol. It's not a similar obligation but it's it gives it gives you a tide of them that you're never going to be able to move past and they're they're always going to have some type of involved in your life the message. Don't go into business with your lover by you out to move on exactly there you go. I lynch what's next. I last one so. Mlb made its first proposal covering core economics to the players association on for their new cba agreement. The plan includes a new tax team spending one that would be effectively lower and lower luxury tax than It's going to be one hundred and eighty million and it's gonna charge teams who exceed that a higher percentage than what they pay today. The trade off to that is going to be a salary. Minimum of one hundred million dollars per team in the sport. Is this a good idea for team to have a minimum salary in major league baseball. Swipe left swipe right. I'm gonna swipe left. I agree with it you know. I think we've got a place by the way swiping right. Sorry yeah i mean. I think that this is one of the big problems with the game is the teams are in total tank mode. They cut everything. And ultimately you've got you've got the haves teams that are you know. Dodgers are two hundred million two hundred and eighty million. I think it is something like that. you've got the big spending teams and then you've got the teams that are aren't spending anything now that doesn't mean it can't be done. One of the lowest payrolls lead the tampa bay. Rays are in it. Every year went to the world series last year. So you can put together a team with a lot of smarts and the analytics. That will still win. But i think a minimum of floor is what makes sense for major league baseball now. Do i think owners will agree to that absolutely not. I don't think this negotiation is going to go. Well i think we're gonna wind up with a lockout or a strike mama. I think they really need to change the whole concept of of baseball salary structure. I don't like this. You have to play for team for seven years before you ever get paid. That's way too long. I don't like that you can have these deals. That are thirteen years long way too long to me. It should be like five-year max contract. That's the most you should ever be able to sign for. They do that the nba to remember there was deals against six seven. Eight years is too long too much. Money teams wanna do that you so you so you can compromise. You can have a salary floor. The owners can agree to have salary floor but the players can agree to have salary. Max cap amax. Why would the players wanna salary. Salary flourish should help. Every so essentially tap is going to hurt him. A salary floor will help them right salary. Max will only hurt the top guys. But i think the the fact that bryce harper has thirteen years on his deal. That hurts everybody else on that team because now that are going to be cheaper with everybody else and that's true. Yeah so i. I think you're gonna penalize the top like ten fifteen players in the league but they'll still get paid and they'll probably end up getting that kind of money longterm anyway You know the have an mba too. I it just it gets out of whack wackle side so i think what are you. What are you doing michael you know. I am not for a salary caps of any kind. This is the free market. Let teens pay what they pay. Whether it's lebron some team it give them one hundred million bucks a year. He's worth it because he drinks enough money for his team. He helps them to win staining for steph curry so let them pay what they wanna pay. Don't like salary caps on anything free market. What about a salary floor for a team in other words so they can't have a thirty million dollar payroll and tank the season and win fifty five games. You have to spend at least homage money's coming in you have to spend a certain percentage of that on your story. And momo i think michael's point is well taken you know in. I think professional sports should operate like baseball. Does like soccer does in europe that there is no cap and technically in baseball. There's a luxury tax threshold. But there's no no hard cap. I don't like salary caps either. What is lebron james. You say wait wait. You said it because you come from you. You are a fan of the team in a city where they've never been an issue. But think of all the people that live in cities like milwaukee and cleveland and detroit mid market cities and they feel like they never have a chance because they don't. They're not making as much money so they can't afford to play the to pay the lindsay. Everybody lebron steph. You ain't gonna find those kind of players dot com money. And you've got an and honestly lindsey the tampa bay rays or the example of. How you do it right now. I do think every team should have to spend one hundred million dollars. I i do think that. I think a salary floor make sense but in a real world. What is lebron james worth in the nba. Uncapped were undermanned. Air easily hundred million a year and he taught. Yeah but he makes a lot of that up off the course. Of course i will say about players. The the thing that has been very eye opening for me and by the way a lot of players and agents and i've talked to you since come out when the stories came out about how. The billionaire owners mitigate their tax liability essentially. They just they write. Everything is debt That is been eye opening because one of the biggest complaints you hear from players all the time is whatever their salaries whatever you hear it is. They're taking home less than forty percent of it when it's all said and done between their agent fees and taxes they pay all over the place california especially here in california like a big deal so if they're paying that much in taxes and the owners who have the franchises are writing that money off. That's a huge disparity. Oh yeah right coming up next for michael. You'll be happy. I'm going to get to this quarterback relation question which. I'm amazed at how often the so-called experts get it wrong plus. 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Longtime ATP Tour Insider Weller Evans

Beyond The Baseline

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Longtime ATP Tour Insider Weller Evans

"Everyone John. With was were so streaming tennis podcast everyone twelve, our guest as we do Beller Evan any insider will recognize sellers name the consummate timoth insider he worked for the ATP Tour for many years his. Was Tour Manager for the most part, but he also was. A fixer, a pragmatists they council guidance counselor. One of the tour employees who work with the players week in week out was in the locker room and really knows that the mechanics of tennis mechanic of the tour better than anyone he also briefly served on the. Board, last year and part of this year. So this is a a wide ranging conversation with a crew tennis. Insider we talk a bit about tennis in twenty twenty the we talk about this more stories from. Welders career in also been about how to get into tennis There are roles into score even if. You do not hit a ball at a professional level and weller someone who spent his whole career in tennis and only a few of those as a player. So here's a wide ranging conversation with a true tennis insider. Here's Willer Evans first of all Weller Evans thank you for. Thank you for doing this I appreciate this. Model John It's It's a pleasure. I have to congratulate you in that You know it's to be quite Khuda get both Jerry. Seinfeld, and Weller Evans. As interviews within a month of one another. Low Bar just make a few jokes in Yiddish and everyone everyone goes home. Happy. No but we passed up no opportunity to talk tennis and I was saying in the Intro I feel like you are. You're the perfect person to help make some sense of these strange times because you are someone, it's always understood the mechanics and have the insider perspective. and. Our Voice of reason and I figured I wanNA hear a bit about your backstory in some sort of historic progressives. But but help us make sense of tennis in Twenty Twenty How How are you sensing? This is going and what's your take on sort of gray tennis in this work around year? Well I think we're fortunate to be playing tennis at all and to actually have had. Three of the four slams played. This year I think is a remarkable accomplishment. Don't you? Yep Absolutely. especially. Given the challenges of of tennis compared to other sports You know it's it's not it's not as simple as. You, you've got thirty teens in everyone's GonNa, lock themselves in a bubble together. To, two hundred and fifty six players from all over the world is is a big challenge. What do you make about the rest of it? I? Mean we have. Cologne one in Cologne to this week, which sounds like Competing. Hugo boss. Fragrance collection we have carry over points we have. To joke of, it's not playing Paris because he's disincentivize because of the point structure what's your take on? Tennis outside of outside of the three majors we were able to play. Well just. To sort of focus for a second on the ranking system. And and what we had to do and I apologize in advance for referring. To. The ATP as we but when you work for an Organization for twenty five years and you stay so closely connected to it it's inevitable that you end up referring to what they do as as we but. You