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Pete Rose Pt. 2: For or Against?

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48:13 min | 1 year ago

Pete Rose Pt. 2: For or Against?

"Another day another ballpark Kevin Harlan and loved his job but the newly minted head of security from Major League Baseball had to admit it was getting a bit monotonous on the surface. So many of these stadiums have their own mystique from Green Monster Monster at Boston's Fenway Park to the Ivy covered brick outfield wall at Chicago's Wrigley Field each place had its own quirks its own personality but underground they were all the same the long concrete tunnels the bustle of activity everyone doing his or her part to make sure the game going on above them went off without a hitch but there was another side to what was happening a darker side when he first I started touring the Ballpark's Helen was surprised at how easy it was to gain entry into players club houses they were packed with all sorts of characters none of whom had any form of security clearance that included the vast entourage of slime balls that accompanied Pete Rose rose everywhere he went they were big guys with bulging muscles slicked back hair and pagers clip to their belts Helen a new type right from his days in the nypd he could spot bookies from a mile away. Hallinan had heard the rumors that Pete Rose was a profligate gambler earlier and once he saw the kind of people pete surrounded himself with he began to suspect the whisperers were true however this wasn't some scrub Auber journeyman outfielder this was pete rose the hit king it was only a matter of time until he was enshrined into the Hall of Fame But if HAL ammon suspicions proved to be correct it didn't matter how influential Pete was if it turned out Pete's gambling habits had spread to baseball he would be in violation of one of the MLB as most iron clad rules. Anyone who bad on a major league baseball game would be banned from the sport forever. Welcome to sports criminals podcast original every week we dive drive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also so uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson and Carter Roy. 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We love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram Damn at podcast and twitter at podcast network this is our second episode on Pete Rose Major League Baseball's all time leader in hits as well as one of only three living people currently on the MLB's ineligible list last week we traced Pete's incredible career career as he went from unheralded prospect to legendary superstar we also examined his obsession with gambling and how this lifestyle became more problematic Blah matic as his success group this week we'll continue to follow peace quest to pass ty COBB's all time record of four thousand one hundred within ninety one hits but as his gambling habits catch the eye of the most powerful men in baseball pizza place amongst the greats becomes uh-huh jeopardized ninety four hits. That's all forty four year old Pete rose needed to pass ty hi cobs all time hits record and is the nineteen eighty five season approached. The newly minted Cincinnati Reds player manager was all but guaranteed to shatter a record once considered unbreakable that is if his gambling problems didn't catch up with him first Pete's returned to Cincinnati also meant a return to his old gambling circles. Although he had kept up his illegal sports betting after leaving leaving the reds in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine the bookies in Cincy knew him he was Pete Freak and rose an icon a legend what's more he was one of them. Pete may have been a celebrity but he didn't act like some stuck up millionaire take away the baseball ball uniform and he was just another guy from Anderson ferry if he wanted to make a bet all he had to do was ask and Pete Pete certainly wanted to bet in the fall of nineteen eighty four he found out from a friend that the real action was taking place out of a local Gold's Gold's gym but Pete was too recognizable to stroll through the doors and start placing bets himself as we discussed last week betting on any sports sports other than horse racing was illegal. If it was too obvious that Pete was breaking the law he could risk getting arrested however that didn't didn't keep him from gambling he just had intermediaries place wagers forum with a bookie named Ron Peters by December he was using using Peter's to place two thousand dollar bets on up to ten football games every weekend and as the bookie would later confess pete eventually started betting on baseball to his bold play on the field to his extramarital affairs pete had had always been reckless but betting on baseball was taking it to another level betting on baseball had been a stain on the MLB MLB legacy since the so called black socks nineteen nineteen scandal in which members of the Chicago White Sox were accused of purposely throwing throwing the world series the black SOx scandal violated one of the most sacred tenants of the sport that the most deserving team would emerge emerged victorious to restore the public's faith in the League rule twenty one section D was created in nineteen twenty seven according to this stipulation if any employees of a major league baseball team was caught betting on baseball games they would be placed on the permanent imminent in eligible list that meant they would be barred from participating in any official. MLB events for the rest of their life. If repeat got caught betting on baseball he wouldn't be able to continue his quest to break ty Cobb's record. You'd be forced to step down from his position and as the reds manager he wouldn't even be able to enter a stadium unless he bought a ticket like everyone else but for Pete to be found in in violation of rule twenty one he would have to get caught betting on baseball and there were few factors making such a thing extremely unlikely first the very nature of underground bedding made it hard to trace any wagers back to pete in addition to relying on cash Asha exchanges bookies also made sure to refer to people using codenames for instance Pete's Moniker was the number fourteen gene. It wasn't particularly subtle it word on his back and every time he took to the field but it's still kept his name from being uttered allowed second unless a police officer went undercover exposed a bookmaker and convinced them to out their clients. There was no real way to catch Pete Red handed ended and even then with so little in the way of physical evidence it would be hard to actually prove Pete had made the bets especially Louis if he used someone as an intermediary to place bets for him but all these roadblocks were useless. If Pete didn't keep his mouth shut talk about what he was doing all it would take to bring him down was pete trusting his secret with the wrong person as it turned out that person was his own mother Laverne apparently Pete Disgust discussed his gambling with laverne however he neglected to mention that she should keep it a secret unbeknownst to Laverne she was sitting on a powder keg that could destroy her son's career and when a Cincinnati Inquirer journalist named John Iraqi came calling she inadvertently Lee let it blow up ahead of the nineteen eighty five season Iraqi visited Laverne to do some background research for his upcoming book chronicling Glinka Pete's attempt to break ty COBB's hit record as they chatted Laverne. Let slip that Pete had lost a lot of money when he bet on the San the ACL padres to win in the eighty four world series against the Detroit Tigers although a rarity had just moved to the sports division from Metro he was pretty sure that it was against the MLB's rules for Pete to bet on baseball. If he decided to dig any deeper he could probably find out not enough to get P placed on the ineligible list but Iraqi stayed quiet betting on baseball was considered a high crime against the sport court at the same time. Pete was only ninety four hits away from passing COBB. If Iraqi exposed the hometown hero when he he was so close to breaking the record the journalists would probably get run out of town for the moment pete secret was safe as the nineteen eighty five season dawned all anybody in Cincinnati could talk about was when Pete would break the record. It didn't matter that the man known as Charlie Hustle was old and slow the reds faithful knew he deliver come hell or high water. He always delivered even at forty four years old Pete certainly seemed up to the task even though his body couldn't take the grind of playing almost every day he got into the lineup enough to consistently rack up heads throughout the spring and summer by the time the calendar hits September he was within striking range of COBB's record by September eighth. Pete was at four thousand one hundred hundred eighty nine hits only two hits away from COBB. It was the last of a six game road trip and much to the delight of Reds Fans Hands Back in Cincinnati. The Chicago cubs were planning on playing a left handed pitcher one of Pete's rules when he returned to the reds was that he would never never play against lefties even as a switch hitter they gave him too much trouble. Despite the fact that the record was in his sights he planned to honor honor that rule he wouldn't bat again until the reds came home. It was all but assured that Pete rose would become the new hit king in front of the Cincinnati Cincinnati faithful however fate had other plans the morning of the Game Pete found out that the pitcher the cubs were planning on playing got injured instead the right handed pitcher Reggie Patterson would be taking the mound when Pete heard the news he practically we started salivating. He had scored a single off Patterson only two days earlier although he had hoped to break Cobb's record while at home he couldn't risk not not playing at his age every game counted so he put himself into the lineup in his first. I Bat Pete hammered another single off of Patterson he was one hit away from matching ty Cobb's fifty seven year old record occurred of four thousand one hundred ninety one hits with more than twenty eight thousand fans looking on and countless more tuned in on their TV's TV's and Radios Pete came up to bat again in the fifth inning as he stepped up to the plate. The normally hostile Chicago crowd rose to its feet and cheered. It didn't matter that Pete had given them so much heartbreak over the years. They wanted to witness history but pitcher Reggie Reggie Patterson didn't want to be a footnote in Pete Story on his first Pitch Patterson through a heat seeking missile straight into the CATCHER's commit strike one the second pitch also evaded Pete's bat strike to the crowd held. It's breath as Patterson wound ended up for the third time the pitch hit the dirt ball won the next two were similarly wild all of a sudden the count was full at three and to the crowd new the significance of the next pitch they turned on their own player Booing Patterson and as he ready to throw Patterson's final pitch was a screwball meaning it moved down in in towards Pete it was one of the most is challenging pitches to hit in baseball but not for Pete he perfectly Red Patterson subtle wrist movements that gave the pitch away and and smacked the ball into right field when Pete arrived at first base the crowd went wild ty Cobb was no longer alone on the mountain top where he had stood since nineteen twenty eight the question now was whether they'd get to see Pete climbed past him even though the reds owner had personally called him in the Dugout to Beg Pete to save the record for a home game he refused used to call it quits whether it was in baseball or gambling Pete only knew one speed full throttle despite the pressure from from his boss he went up to bat two more times while he didn't end up getting the record breaking hit. It wasn't for lack of trying after the game the press lauded Pete for his unbending integrity just as much as they did for tying the hits record here was a man who refused to put his own interests. I ahead of the game of baseball. He was a shining example to the sport. A man worthy of his place amongst greats little did they know he was also committing a cardinal sin against the game of baseball but for the moment all all anyone knew was that pete needed just one more hit to become the one and only hit king three days later on September eleventh nineteen eighty five he finally did it. It was a picture perfect late summer evening. Eh nearly fifty thousand rabid fans had come to the stadium to see one thing and one thing only to see pete rose break aac ty Cobb's record. They got their chance. When Pete came to the plate in the first inning facing San Diego Padres pitcher Eric Chow Chow Pete rose easily knocked the ball into left center field the standing ovation from the crowd lasted for nearly ten minutes minutes his teammates mobbed him he had achieved the impossible it had taken over two decades of averaging over three hundred with elite play an unrelenting desire but he had done it he had passed ty Cobb as his teammates return to the dugout? Pete shared a tender hug with his teenage son Pete Rose Junior. It was a perfect moment an enduring image that would define pete rose's life or at least it would have if he had decided to quit the game of baseball after that season if he had decided to retire are his legacy would have been secure and nobody would have ever found out about his bedding practices but Pete loved the game too much to leave of it. Even as he approached his forty fifth birthday. He was confident that he still had something left in the tank. Baseball was his life and he wasn't wasn't ready to hang it up just yet even though peed had secured one of the most sacred records in the sport nothing had changed for them. Aw that included his gambling he was pete rose a living legend. Nobody could touch him or so. He thought coming up Pete gets caught red handed now back to the story. After forty four year old Pete rose became the new baseball hit king in the nineteen eighty five season. He decided to come back for another year. As the Cincinnati Reds player manager he also decided to take his underground betting activities to another level as nineteen eighty five bled into nineteen eighty six pete's gambling activities intensified to the tune of approximately fifteen eighteen thousand dollars worth of bets per day even with Wealth Pete at accumulated in his two decade career. It was a lot out of money too much money to cover his growing debts. Pete was forced to sell off some of his most treasured memorabilia including including his World Series Rings and the Bat He'd used break ty Cobb's record only months before these items represented his greatest. It is professional triumphs but pete was willing to let them go long as he could keep gambling. Even though these sales were conducted got to quietly with private buyers they didn't go unnoticed within the baseball community they were of particular interest to Kevin Jalan Major League Baseball's new head of security ahead of the eighty-six season. MLB Commissioner Peter ueberroth hired Talon to be the league's new head of Security Ueberroth liked Helen's background is the commander of an FBI NYPD anti-terrorism terrorism task force. He wanted Hallinan to tighten the ship so to speak regarding everything under the security umbrella that included access to the players clubhouse before Jalan took over there is almost no control over who is coming and going from the clubhouse logistically speaking. This lack of control represented a security threat if someone wanted to hurt one of the players it was almost too easy to get access is to them. One of the first things Hallinan did upon becoming head of security was to make sure there was someone standing guard at the clubhouse entrances to sign people all in out by random chance as Jalan toward stadiums throughout the season he frequently ended up being in town the same day the Cincinnati Reds in his efforts to curtail access to the players clubhouse Pete's entourage was particularly egregious in terms of how they seem to have free rein over the stadium as a former. NYPD Lieutenant Helena new and underground betting operation when he saw one he also heard about Pete's recent memorabilia sales and Helen's experience people like Pete Rose only needed that kind of cash for one reason to cover debts so he decided to dig a little deeper into peach activities with commissioner Ueberroth Permission Helen in had Joe Daley an ex FBI colleague who operated out of Cincinnati put out some feelers raise through daily. Helen was able to find out about the shady operations going on in the Gold's gym heat frequented although although he wasn't able to get any concrete proof daily heard a lot of whispers that Pete was betting on Baseball Helen and decided the best course of action would be to conduct a quiet investigation into Pete's gambling practices the whole time Helen's investigation was ongoing Pete had no idea he was under any sort of scrutiny he continued to bet on baseball including games games involving the reds. We never bet for them to lose but that didn't change the fact that he was completely violating rule twenty one won once the nineteen eighty six season ended. He decided he was finally ready to stop playing baseball. After collecting a grand total of four four thousand two hundred and fifty six hits he felt like it was time for him to transition into working solely as the reds manager but even though Oh he was no longer playing for the team that didn't mean Pete was in the clear rule twenty-one clearly prohibited any team employees from betting on on Baseball Games and that included the manager over the next two seasons while Pete managed the reds Helen daily continued their investigation while they were still short on proof they had heard enough rumors to suspect Pete violating rule twenty one in February wary of nineteen eighty nine about a month before the season was set to begin Pete was summoned to the MLB headquarters in New York. He had no idea idea he was walking into an ambush as he entered commissioner. Peter Ueberroth Office Pete was greeted did by the grim faces of Uber Off Incoming Baseball Commissioner Bart Giamatti and his deputy Fay Vincent they asked him point blank. Thank you bet on Baseball Pete admitted that he bet on other sports but categorically denied that he had ever wagered on a baseball game game he insisted he would never be that stupid. The three men had every reason to not push the matter any further although Hallinan had had heard rumors that Pete had bet on baseball he didn't have any real proof and that was good enough for you broth and GM Mati in addition to being being a steward of the game the Commissioner of baseball also answered to the owners and that meant taking the bottom line in the consideration Pete was one of the greatest players of all time is relentless drive and passion for the game made him one of the sport's most popular stars financially it made sense to cast him out of the League but Deputy Commissioner Fay Vincent was a man of unbending principle. He felt that their responsibility he was to make sure the integrity of baseball superseded any financial obligations. You've Pete was betting on Baseball Games that meant he was spitting in the face of one of America's noblest institutions. They couldn't go easy on him. Just because of his status Vincent's passionate case of integrity over money honey one over Ueberroth Giamatti they resolved open an independent investigation into Pete's gambling habits Vincent's recommendation attorney. John Dowd was chosen to conduct the inquiry as a no nonsense attorney so you with an aptitude for big cases dowd was the perfect choice he'd leave no stone unturned in his pursuit of the Truth Investigation Gatien officially began on March Sixth Nineteen Eighty nine upon arriving in Cincinnati Dowd was certain he had a long road ahead of him and not only was a local hero but getting his associates to reveal their own roles in the enterprise was a big ask underground around rings ran on loyalty and trust if these men were willing to betray Pete rose of all people for the rest of their clients might leave leave them however nearly the moment dowd set foot in the city. The men involved in Pete's betting circles ratted him out during Kevin Evan Helen's more discreet questioning. Nobody had turned on Pete but by March one thousand nine hundred nine he owed too much money to too many people. Oh if they weren't going to get their money back they were willing to get payback in a different way. The first one to betray Pete was Paul Paul Janssen a steroid dealer Gold's gym would place bats on Pete's behalf in the spring of Nineteen eighty-seven Jansen was so eager to help make wagers with a bookie Ron Peters that he even paid around forty thousand dollars out of his own pocket to do it. The expectation was that Pete would pay him back later but peed had racked up another thirty four thousand dollars in gambling debts with Ron Peters at the end of the summer of eighty seven and Peter's refuse to pay out forty thousand dollars Pete had one claiming it as payment with interest for the money Pete still owed him that refusal had an unintended ripple effect on Paul Johnson who was still in the whole for the money he had used on behalf but pete reportedly refused to fully repay him this betrayal Stung Jansen to his core Janssen heard about John Dowd's investigation when he was all too happy to turn on his friend in addition to his own notebook in which he meticulously tracked every wager he placed Janssen provided what he claimed repeats own records of the bets dowd had them analyzed by a handwriting writing expert who concluded the Janssen was telling the truth after Janson came forward the bookie Ron Peters also decided to help with dowd's house investigation at the time of the investigation peters was awaiting sentencing on cocaine trafficking and falsifying tax returns. Even though the doubt investigation was independent of the Justice Department. Perhaps he thought he might get a lighter sentence for cooperating in addition to providing the copy of the thirty four thousand dollar check Pete had given him Peter's turned over his own betting records these records confirm the bets that Pete had placed laced via Johnson and that many of these wagers were on baseball games as news from the investigation leaked to the press pete vehemently humanly denied he had ever bet on baseball games even with over a dozen witnesses saying otherwise and the evidence to back them up Pete refuse to admit what he had done. When the nineteen eighty nine season began in early April Pete Rose had gone from beloved hero to despise villain with the exception of Pete's loyal home fans everywhere the reds went pete found himself relentlessly booed? It didn't matter how many records he had he had betrayed the game itself wants dowd had gathered his evidence. He called Pete in for a deposition in late April nineteen eighty nine with so much publicity surrounding the investigation allegation they had to find a quiet discreet place to meet away from the scrutiny of the press instead of meeting in Pete's office or at the New York Doc. MLB Headquarters Pete Rose and John Dowd sat down across from each other in the school cafeteria. The Small Catholic school in Cincinnati natty over the course of two days of questioning Pete steadfastly denied that he had ever bet on a major league baseball game even when Dowd showed Pete the betting slips journal entries in phone records that served as evidence against him even when he he played a phone call Paul Johnson had recorded with another one of Pete's associates about the debt zeroed Pete still refused to yield but dowd dowd didn't need Pete to admit to betting on baseball he had all the evidence he required and nothing Pete said contradicted the proof doubt how had collected he was ready to move forward with his findings only two months after beginning his investigation on May ninth nineteen eighty nine dowd provided the newly minted. MLB Commissioner Bart Giamatti with his report it spanned roughly two hundred and twenty five pages along with nine volumes of unedited supporting evidence dowd had shown that Pete had clearly bad on Major League Baseball Games now now it was up to GM Mahdi to punish him. Although G Amati was a fan of Pete as a player. He didn't like how Pete it was refusing to own up to what he had done. If Pete had admitted his mistakes maybe there would have been room for mercy but if he wasn't gonNA come in clean he would be subjected to the full brunt of rule twenty one permanent ineligibility to determine Pete's fate Timoti set a hearing for May Twenty Fifth Nineteen eighty-nine However repeat wasn't going to take his punishment lying down. If he managed to escape permanent ban he could emerge his reputation relatively intact according to an informal poll conducted by the Los Angeles Times many the journalists who voted on hall of fame inductions would still put them on their ballots just as long as he never bet against the reds he and his legal team scrambled for any way to fight against commissioner G Ahmadis wrath and managed to get the hearing pushed back a month. Even with the extra time time Pete had no real recourse he wouldn't admit it but the fact was that he had bet on baseball there was simply no disputing muting the evidence against him so instead of going after the evidence Pete decided to go after Giamatti claiming the commissioner was never going to give him a fair hearing Pete filed the lawsuit in Cincinnati where a friendly judge agreed to enact a temporary temporary restraining order to delay the hearing but pete wasn't the only one who can make moves within the legal system in response to the temporary cold Giamatti had the case moved to a federal court outside the local jurisdiction of Cincinnati realizing his chance of having a sympathetic judge was much lower in this new setting Pete agreed to enter settlement discussions in early August nineteen eighty nine. The negotiations were short with no real leverage. All Pete could get out of Giamatti was that he didn't have to admit or deny to betting on baseball baseball. It was meaningless concession. He was still found in violation of rule twenty one. The agreement was signed the morning of August twenty twenty third nineteen eighty-nine Pete Rose one of the best to ever swing the bat was officially out of the game of baseball coming up Pete Finds Life Without baseball even more difficult than he had imagined and now back to the story on August twenty third nineteen eighty nine forty eight year old Pete rose was placed on major league baseball's balls permanent ineligible list for betting on Baseball Games while he was employed by the Cincinnati reds however there was still a sliver of hope for Pete per the League's rules he'd be allowed to reapply for reinstatement in one year's time it was an option. He fully really planned on exercising. Unfortunately there were more repercussions from his gambling habits still come with Pete's bedding woes firmly we in the national spotlight the irs decided to take a closer look at his finances on April Twentieth Twentieth Nineteen Ninety Pete pleaded guilty to two counts of filing fraudulent tax returns from nineteen eighty four to nineteen eighty seven he had had failed to disclose close to three hundred fifty thousand dollars in autograph and Memorabilia sales the equivalent of nearly seven hundred fifty thousand dollars in today's money most likely that money had gone to paying off his significant gambling debts the judge sentenced him to five months in a minimum security security prison with a further three months in a halfway house upon his release additionally he slapped Pete with fifty thousand dollar fine and one one thousand hours of community service in the end. It was a fairly light punishment. If he'd had been punished to the full extent of the law he could have faced up to six years in prison but in this instance his honesty in cooperation helped him get a lighter punishment. Perhaps he had learned a lesson lesson from his hard headed approach to the doubt investigation Pete reported to the Minimum Security Facility in Marion Illinois on August Eighth Nineteen Ninety Ninety he had traded in his reds number fourteen for prisoner number zero one eight three two zero six one the day he was incarcerated Pete was two weeks shy of being able to apply for reinstatement to the MLB. He didn't bother filing an application Fay Vincent had assumed the role of baseball commissioner after Bart Giamatti died in September nineteen eighty-nine. There was no way the incredibly principal commissioner would ever reinstate Pete while he was imprisoned in an ironic twist of fate the reds Ed's reached the world series while Pete was incarcerated he wanted nothing more than to be in the dug-out alongside his former players instead he was forced to watch the Games on TV alongside his fellow inmates. When the reds won the championship in a clean sweep many of Pete's former players were quick to thank their former manager regardless of what he had done Pete had laid the foundations of a great team and they would never forget it as the other prisoners cheered high-fived him pete felt mix of pride and sadness it would have loved to be part of the Action Pete was released from Marian on January seventh nineteen ninety one by all accounts accounts he had been a model inmate even though he had a long road ahead of him in his fight to get reinstated to the LB he still had something to look forward to getting enshrined in the Baseball Hall of fame in Cooperstown New York the debate over whether or not pete should be voted in had begun gone the moment he was found in violation of rule twenty? One Pete was confident in his chances overall. The selection process was extremely democratic when it was established in nineteen thirty six. It's founders had a vision that the players who were chosen would reflect the sentiments it's of baseball fans in general to that end. The voting process was entrusted to the Baseball Writers Association of America or B B W A A in order to qualify a player must have appeared in at least ten. Mlb Seasons and five years must have passed since he last played in a game then if a player appeared on more than seventy five percent of voters ballots he would be selected for induction since Pete had never played in the nineteen nineteen eighty-seven season he would have been eligible to appear on ballots when voting began in late nineteen ninety one and if he was only being judged by his career achievements he would have been a shoo-in at the time there was no rule against an ineligible player or manager being voted into the hall of fame name but three days after pete got out of prison a special committee created by the Hall of Fame Board of Directors voted to make one colloquially known as the rose rule. This motion went against the intentions behind the hall of fame voting process. Yes Pete had betrayed the game of baseball but it wasn't up to the committee to decide whether his betting had outweighed his performance on the field however over the B. B. W. A. was powerless to do anything to change the rule unless it was amended to allow Pete to be voted in the only way away he could get inducted would be for the Commissioner to revoke his ineligibility and that wouldn't be happening anytime soon. Pete continued into steadfastly denied that he had ever bet on baseball. Even though the evidence against him was staggering unless he made a serious attempt to right right his wrongs Pete would remain on the outside looking in being cast out of baseball deprived speed of more than his eligibility within the League deprived him of experiencing one of the most important moments of son's life in September Nineteen Ninety Ninety seven twenty seven year old Pete Rose Junior was finally called up from the minor leagues to play for the Cincinnati reds although he was a talented talented player in his own right junior lacked the same spark that made his old man so special but Pete Signature Hustle ran in the family despite his talent deficit Pete Junior who is still known in baseball circles as PD had refused to give up his big league dreams and after toiling oiling in the minor leagues for nine full years PD was finally getting his shot hit the big show although his major league career lasted only eleven eleven games PD could claim something his father never could he got hit in his first contest and while Pete was watching from the stands dance and shared a hug with his son outside the players tunnel he wasn't allowed to partake in the hallowed tradition of celebrating with his son in the Locker Kurram all because he had bet on baseball games but with the good feelings around PD's MLB debut a Byu Pete decided to apply for reinstatement in late September nineteen ninety seven however commissioner Bud Seelig never even officially considered it heat still refuse to admit to betting on baseball until he did he'd never have a shot at reinstatement almost seven years past with Pete remaining steadfast in his denials but with each passing day his chances of getting inducted into the hall of Fame Reg- winding the limit for eligibility was twenty years after a players last game for pete that would be in two thousand six if he wanted to get reinstated and therefore regain eligibility he would need to take drastic action shen in January two thousand four Pete appeared on Good Morning America and finally admitted to what everyone already knew he she had bet on baseball and you could read all about it in his new book my prison without bars. If Pete was expecting to to be praised for his admission he would be sorely disappointed. The timing was considered extremely suspect. His revelation was seen more more is a PR move than a genuine apology regardless of what Pete's intentions were his confession wasn't enough to get him reinstated had admitting what he had done was a good first step but he hadn't done anything to truly show he was sorry for what he had done but as the years passed the MLB started to loosen Pete's shackles on the night of September eleventh two thousand ten the League permitted the reds to honor Pete on the field for the twenty fifth anniversary of his record breaking hit after the ceremony there was a dinner held in Pete's honor at the Hollywood would casino in nearby Lawrenceburg Indiana sitting amongst his old teammates flooded with installed for days gone by something must have broken compete when he took to the podium to give a speech he broke down and cried looking out at the crowd out of Diners Pete acknowledged that he finally realized what Bart Giamatti had meant when he told Pete He'd have to reconfigure his life if he hoped to get reinstated he acknowledged that he had disrespected the game of baseball speaking to his former teammates rose said I'm a hard hard headed guy but I'm a lot better guy standing here tonight. I guarantee everyone in this room. I will never disrespect you again. I love the fans I love the game of baseball. I Love Cincinnati Baseball this time. It seemed like Pete's apology was genuine. There was no deadline for reinstatement coming up no ulterior motive it appeared that he truly regretted what what he had done. However Commissioner Seelig never made a decision on pizza eligiblity and despite Pete's two thousand ten apology the new commissioner Rob Manfred didn't believe that he had shown adequate remorse or adjustment of lifestyle he denied pete application but Manfred did give the reds permission to celebrate pizza on field legacy in two thousand Sixteen Pete was inducted did into the Cincinnati Reds Hall of fame and had his famous number Fourteen Jersey officially retired additionally a statue of Pete launching into his iconic headfirst slide was installed in front of the Reds Stadium as of two thousand Nineteen Pete Rose is still on the ineligible list and remains barred from being inducted into the MLB Hall of fame but the controversy swirling swirling around him continues to make headlines especially with the revelations about the rampant steroid use that plagued baseball in the nineteen nineties and two two thousand the question of how much damage Pete did to the game has been re framed although notorious steroid users like barry bonds and Sammy me Sosa have not been inducted into the hall of fame they are still eligible? An argument can be made that what Pete did was less detrimental to baseball all the action steroid users took to enhance themselves according to he never bet against the reds. He only bet on them to win. There's so that means he never made any decisions that would cause the reds to lose and there's no evidence to prove lying however that doesn't mean his betting interests didn't interfere with his duties as the reds manager. Although he wasn't doing anything to impact his team's chances of winning Pete could could have put his short term goals of winning that night's bet over the long term goals of the season now seventy eight years old hello pete claims in interviews that he is long past caring whether he makes it into the hall of fame or not. He's a regular presence in cooperstown during induction and weekends gladly selling his autograph. If you ask him he'll right. I'm sorry I bet on baseball and maybe truly means it. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals. We'll be back next week with a new episode in addition to the many sources we used we found Pete rose an American dilemma by cost you Kennedy extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of sports criminals and all of their podcast originals for free on on spotify not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals slakes sports criminals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream sports criminals on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type sports criminals is in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at par cast in twitter at podcast network will see an sports criminals was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network. It's produced by Max and Ron Cutler sound designed by Andy Wait eight with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul molitor Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. 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Pete Rose Pt. 1: Charlie Hustle

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Pete Rose Pt. 1: Charlie Hustle

"On April Thirteenth Nineteen Sixty three twenty one year old Cincinnati reds rookie. Pete rose stepped up to to the plate standing across from him on the pitcher's mound was Pittsburgh pirates ace Bob Friend better known as the warrior he ate scrubs like Pete rose for breakfast friend wound up and let loose a heat seeking missile of a pitch just as he had planned the ball zipped and sank is it hurled towards home plate but pete saw the whole way friend end watched in disbelief as the ball soared over his head landing deep between the center and left fielders even though he wasn't a fleetest elitist foot would have easily coasted into a double instead without a moment's hesitation he rounded second running owning full tilt for a triple while Pete sprinted with everything he had the outfielder threw the ball to third base with laser like accuracy in a desperate heave. Pete's threw himself forward sliding into the bag in a spray of dirt his helmet flying off his head as as the dust cleared Pete looked up the third baseman had the ball solidly in his glove. The empire brought his hands into his chest asked then shot them horizontally from his side's safe. Pete broke into a smile. He had done it his his first career hit. By the time he retired there would be four thousand two hundred fifty five more earning pete rose the title of the hit king his ability at the plate paved his legacy as one of the sport's greatest heroes and his obsession with gambling would make him one of its greatest villains and welcome to sports criminals park cast original every week we dive into the dark side of sports history jury and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson and I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all of their par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream sports criminals for free on spotify just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter quitter and podcast network welcome to the first of our two episodes on Pete Rose Baseball's all time leader in hits. He's he's also on Major League Baseball's in eligible list for gambling on baseball games including his own that means he's barred hard from any professional association with the MLB can't be inducted into the baseball hall of fame this week we'll dive into. Pete Rose's rise from unheralded cross backed the hometown hero also examined the beginnings of his entry into the dark world of underground beddings thanks and how it impacted his personal and professional life next week we'll follow. Pete's continued obsession with gambling and find out about how it landed him on the M. L. Bees in eligible list as far as athletes go every once in a while there comes along star that has no real discernible talent that is they do not excel in any clear way. They aren't the fastest don't display incredible smarts or instinct for the game. They're relatively under sized in often overlooked by professional all scouts but they have something about them. The swagger unabashed confidence and infectious and motivating drive. Have that pushes them past the competition. Pete Rose was the poster boy for this type of athlete at five eleven two hundred pounds stocky but not incredibly strong he swung the bat with a tight quick swing almost as though he was trying to slap the ball more than slug it it was known for his unceasing motor his relentless bass running his charging sacrificial style every sport has these players players these so-called Hustle guys they remind children and aspirational amateurs alike. You don't need the special ingredients of genetic lottery. Sometimes success is very much just hard work but rarely do. We count these type of players as the best. I ever play their game. Pete Rose was an exception to this rule. He rode the wave of his dedication to one one of the greatest individual careers baseball has ever seen raking seemingly unbreakable records winning multiple championships and MVP and making an incredible seventeen all star appearances with such a track record. It seemed inevitable that he would make baseball's hall of fame but Pete Rose wasn't just reckless in bullheaded on the field he had a hidden side to his personality body that would forever prevent him from getting baseball's greatest award. Peter Edward Rose Rose was born on April fourteenth nineteen forty one in Cincinnati. He's working class. Anderson Ferry neighborhood. His Father Harry was was a skilled semi pro football player and his mother Laverne had been talented high school softball player as well. Pete and Harry's relationship ship was special and informed much of who he later became Harry was an emblem of discipline every day in full work attire fire for his job as a bank teller leather shoes starched button-down shirt and uncomfortable slacks hairy would sprint up the hill leading adding to his house. If his football team lost over the weekend he would do it twice. Pete Watch this dedication and learned from a young age that desire heart and commitment could propel you forward in unexpected ways as a teenager rose was lightweight and undersized is but what he lacked in physical abilities he made up for with endless desire and boundless hustle rose was a star athlete late at Western hills high school playing both varsity football and baseball. He was known for his hard charging relentless style but those weren't the only qualities Harry hit instilled in his son even though he taught his son to never drink a drop of alcohol into I always get a good night's sleep. The elder rose was an avid gambler on the weekends. Harry liked to bet on horses is at the river downs race track. It wasn't unusual for Pete even when he was a young child to be. Intel that was life from the Anderson Ferry neighborhood. Pete loved going to the races with his dad he was fascinated by the analytical side of betting sure or luck played a big part but he also saw how when Harry took the time to really comb through the form guide he could emerge victorious more more often than not. There was nothing quite like watching the Horse Harry had picked crossed the line in first place the thrill of victory it was sweet indeed but not as sweet as the thrill of payout whenever Harry one big he would treat his son to an extravagant meal at their favorite restaurant. Pete loved the satisfaction of knowing Harry's careful strategy had helped them come out on top just like his athletic career. Pete saw how putting in the extra work at the race track could lead to significant reward that hard work translated slated to Pete's performances on the baseball field. He wasn't the strongest. He wasn't the fastest but he was relentless. It wasn't sexy but he thrived as the man to push his limits. He was also a natural leader. Pete's relentless intensity rubbed off on his his teammates inspired them to work harder run faster care a little more he truly embodied the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote that served as Western turnhill highs slogan. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm. Unfortunately enthusiasm awesome alone wasn't enough to get someone into the big leagues when Nineteen Year Old Pete graduated from High School in Nineteen sixty pro scouts didn't. I didn't think he had the physical tools to make it in the majors. College Ball wasn't in the cards. Either Pete wasn't exactly a gifted student. Luckily he had another option. The minor leagues at the time. Pete's Uncle Buddy was doing some scouting for Cincinnati's major league baseball team the reds after Pete went undrafted buddy convinced Cincinnati's upper management to give his nephew a minor minor league contract. It was a low risk high reward move. If Pete's physical development took the next step he could become a valuable player as well as a box office draw. Nothing resonated with fans more than a local kid making good after all and if Pete failed it was no big deal he was a no name prospect from Anderson Ferry not a high profile rookie who was expected to become the face of the franchise pete sign the contract with no hesitation even though he was getting sent to the Geneva red legs in the Class D New York Penn League. Although it was pro ball it was just about as far from the major leagues as a player Cadet. It's hard to know exactly how much he was making but chances are pete was barely early making a living in the minors today. A Minor League baseball players average starting salary is twelve hundred dollars per month in his his day. Pete was making tiny fraction of that and while there was a pot of gold waiting at the end of the proverbial rainbow. There was no guarantee not pete would make it. They're on generally only ten percent of all minor leaguers. Make it to the major league but the long hard hard road ahead of Pete didn't bother him. Keep your head down and surged forward. It was what his father taught him. It was the code that would bring him. Mm to the Big Leagues Pete's bet on himself paid off after three seasons in the minors. He got the call he had been dreaming of. Since he was a kid. The reds wanted him to join them for spring training ahead of the nineteen sixty three season but being part of spring training leaning wasn't the same as making the final twenty eight man roster although Pete had come a long way some of the reds coaches still had their doubts he was still slow and he had a hitch in his swing is pete was going to make the cut he'd have to prove his worth in the only way he knew how with unrelenting hustle the. May Have only been meaningless preseason games in February and March but p treated spring training training Mike it was the world series after one particularly memorable performance against the New York Yankees Superstars Whitey Ford in Mickey Mantle. We're discussing how pete had caught their eye. They called him Charlie Hustle stories vary on what exactly earned him the nickname some say it was because Pete had sprinted to first base after earning walk others say it was because he made appoint. Lewis attempts to feel the home run from mantle that was already soaring over the stand on whatever the reason was the moniker stuck and in April. It was official. Charlie Hustle had made the opening day roster and with that spot came a seventy five hundred dollar contract in today's money. That's about sixty four thousand dollars. It wasn't a fortune by any means. The average baseball salary in two two thousand nine hundred nineteen is four point three six million dollars. The Pete Wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth. What's more his time. At the riverfront downs downs had taught him how he could make a little bet. Go a long long way things happen fast after that nineteen sixty three call up on April eighth nineteen sixty three. Pete Rose made his Major League Baseball debut wearing number fourteen. He drew a walk in his first at Bat on April thirteenth. One day before his twenty second birthday day. Pete got his first hit a triple off of Pittsburgh pirates pitcher Bob Friend he was just cracking the surface of his potential both the sporting world and in his personal life around the time of his Major League debut. Pete also endeared himself to someone else. The young woman named Carolyn Engelhard in the early part of the sixty three season pete was at the river downs horse track when he spied Caroline Arlen through his binoculars immediately smitten he got a mutual friend to make the introduction however pete soon proved that his reckless abandon I and didn't end on the field that summer caroline called Pete's hotel room while he was on a road trip. Jim Jim Coates Pete's roommate picked up when caroline asked if Pete was around coats paused for a moment just a second. He said he'd have to check back. It was an odd and slightly unsettling response. Hotel Room was only so big a few seconds later coats is told her that in fact Pete was not around but after a few minutes went by Pete called Caroline back. He was annoyed he he told her in his stubborn and forward manner that by calling she had messed up his chances with another girl he had brought to the room. Oh for most people the the relationship would have ended right then and there but caroline wasn't most people she understood that many pro athletes married or not enjoyed the company of women while they were on the road. What mattered was that. He came home to her and only her and as long as he was honest about what he was doing. During road trips she could live with it. The arrangement worked just fine for Pete shortly. After the end of the nineteen sixty three season he and caroline got married. It was a celebration nation of just how fast things were moving for. Pete rose. I got married then he zipped over to the Cincinnati baseball writers. There's awards to accept the honor for rookie of the year then it was right back to the reception to embrace his new bride like he was smoothly sliding in for triple. All of a sudden rose had gone from unknown prospect to rookie sensation and things were only looking up from there air by his third season in nineteen sixty five pete had become one of the League's best players that year the twenty four year old second baseman hit a three twelve batting average sixty six points above the league average of two forty six he also led the entire league with a whopping in two hundred nine hits during that nineteen sixty five season pete was named an all star for the first time it it was also the first time his gambling habits got him in trouble and it wouldn't be the last coming up a terrible tragedy causes. Pete to lose his moral compass and now back to the story as the nineteen sixty five baseball season transitioned into the summer twenty four year old. Pete Rose was flying high he he had recently been selected for his first all star game but around the time it was slated to take place everything almost came crashing down in July nineteen sixty five pete was arrested for running a red light in Newport Kentucky at four twenty five live in the morning located across the Ohio River from Cincinnati Newport was notorious for its underground gambling dens and the legality are you betting particularly when it comes to sports is murky in nineteen sixty five it was only legal in Kentucky and Ohio Oh to bet on horse races and it had to be done at an official venue like a racing track to bet on any other sport you would need to get in touch etched with an unofficial book maker or bookie. Usually bookies worked for a larger organization more often than not what was tied to organized crime the night he was pulled over. Pete was probably coming back from visiting a bookie but but the police officer who pulled him over didn't care if Pete was gambling. He cared that Pete had endangered others with his reckless driving. It didn't matter how good of a baseball player he was or even that it was a relatively minor offence pete was going to spend a few hours in jail. He paid bail with a one hundred dollars bill he had in his front pocket his red light ticket and associated fees put him back another thirteen dollars hours and fifty cents all told it wasn't a lot for. Pete who was poised to sign a twenty five thousand dollar contract for the next year worth about two hundred with thousand dollars today however peat feared his brush with the law would cost him much more than that according to the book Pete Rose Rose and American dilemma. He remarked the judge. This is going to cost me eighteen thousand booze and a five hundred dollar fine for being out past curfew but when he took to the field for that day's Game Cincinnati's Crossley Field Pete wasn't serenaded by the bluebirds stead he was greeted with a standing ovation and gifted a brand new TV set for being the reds top vote getter for the All Star game as Pete stood there soaking in the fans adulation one thing was clear as long as does he performed well at the ballpark. He was untouchable. A star above consequence with each passing season Pete racked up more accolades. After his breakout nineteen sixty five season he would go on to have a batting average over over three hundred for the next nine seasons. It was nowhere near tycoons record of twenty three straight seasons batting three hundred or better but it was still a hall of fame worthy feet nineteen sixty nine was maybe. Pete's finest year he led the MLB with three three forty eight batting average with two hundred eighteen hits that year he finished second in MVP voting and won the Golden Glove honor honor awarded to the best fielder at each respective position and while he kept his nose clean regarding the law. Pete's gambling soared to new heights heights you would place bets on anything and everything going after Russian hustle he employed night after night on the Diamond Pete Bat on on everything he put money down when he and his teammates would play pool in town and even once teammate on who would be the first one to use the bathroom author when the Reds New Stadium opened in the nineteen seventy season. It's important to note that betting itself wasn't outlawed within the MLB MLB was part and parcel of the clubhouse culture away for teammates to connect and participate in shared experiences but gambling on baseball aw was an entirely different matter ever since a nineteen nineteen scandal in which players from the Chicago White SOx conspired to throw the world series the MLB had a sour taste in its mouth gambling had almost effectively ended the sport. What's worse. If a player is betting on his or her team they are affecting the outcome of the game changing the rules before the first whistle this this is sacrilege in the sports universe but nowhere more than on the baseball diamond even if a player got caught placing bets on games not plot involving his own team he faced a lifetime ban for the moment pete wasn't putting any money down on baseball games or if he was nobody ever found out about it and no one thought to look too deeply as he continued to play top tier baseball into the next decade eh one of his most iconic moments and one of the most iconic moments in baseball history came during the nineteen seventy all star game name held in the Reds Own Stadium while the game was just an exhibition and didn't count for for anything other than pride those involved took it extremely seriously for the past seven editions. The National League all stars had bested rested their opponents from the American league with the game being held on the reds home. Turf Pete was desperate to keep that streak going it was one of the most exciting all star. Games in recent memory going into the bottom of the ninth. Pete's National League team was down for one they managed to mount a comeback and although the inning ended with Pete striking out he didn't care by then the team had nodded up the game at four to four they were going into extra innings. The tenth inning passed without a score for either team same with the eleventh by the time. Pete got back up to bat during the bottom of the twelfth there were two outs and no men on base a thirteenth inning seemed inevitable but not to Pete Rose First Pitch Ball one second pitch ball to up to go with a hitters. This count rose took a cut of third pitch and punched a soft single into the outfield. The next batter up hit a single as well moving beat up to second the crowd buzzed with anticipation has another batter. Jim Hickman of the Chicago cubs stepped up to the plate. Hickman took a cut and slap a soft line drive out to center field. Pete took off like a bat out of hell he never even considered stopping at third base playing it safe just wasn't NPR's DNA as he turned the corner towards home plate. The crowd roared all fifty fifty one thousand eight hundred thirty eight of the people in attendance rising to their feet at once there was still one thing standing between Pete and a Glorious Victory American League Catcher Ray Fosse he stood sentinel over home plate glove outstretched ratched the center fielder hurled the ball towards Fossey as Pete barrel down the third base line. It was going to be close to close for arose gritting. His teeth Pete lowered his shoulder. He charged into Fossey at the same moment. The ball came into the catcher's. Mitt the force of the the collision knocked Fosse to the ground in a heap the ball flying from his glove as Fossey lay on the ground writhing in pain. Pete scrambled to touch home base. Although it was a physical play the umpire ruled fair. Pete had won the game but it came at a cost Ray Fosse at separated and fractured his shoulder rose was explain it away by simply saying there was no place to slide the collision play went down as one of the most memorable in the history of the the All Star game also unofficially sanctioned the home base collision play as a part of baseball runners continued to use the play. Hey to breakthrough. Catchers standing in the base path until catchers were outlawed from blocking the plate in two thousand fourteen four safety reasons following. Pete's triumphant moment in the nineteen seventy all star game he helped lead the reds to their first appearance in the world series is in nine years although they lost to the Pittsburgh pirates in five games this season as a whole had been a triumph for Pete individually he finished seventh in MVP voting and won. Another golden glove a few days after the season ended. Pete brought his father hairy a with him to a charity basketball game at a local Cincinnati high school as the capacity crowd filed in to get a look at their hometown hero hairy noticed. There were markings on the floor for a forty yard dash. A mischievous glint appeared in the elder roses is he strolled over over to where Pete was shooting some warm baskets and challenged him to a race had I P laughed him off. He may not have been the fleetest afoot afoot but he was twenty nine years old and at the peak of his athletic powers but Harry kept egging him on Pete caved and agree to the race. This Harry wanted to get embarrassed in front of a crowd of high-schoolers was his decision. After a quick sprint. It was all over as the crowd cheered. Pete shook his head in Disbelief Harry had won the kids packed into the stands aided up a fifty nine year old bank teller had beaten Charlie Hustle himself in a foot race in it hadn't even been close close a week later. Pete was at the barbershop when the telephone rang as the barber listened to the voice. We saw the other side. His face went white handshaking. He hung up and turn to Pete. He had terrible news. Hairy was dead. Pete couldn't believe it. He must have misheard he. He asked if the barber meant his mother hairy couldn't be dead. He was invincible but it was true that day in December nineteen seventy seventy Harry rose died from a blood clot in his heart. Pete wept for three days on end. His father was his hero. Oh his guiding light while Pete hadn't quite lived up to Harry strict moral code he had still learned to be honest to admit his mistakes but with Harry Gone Pete loss that voice in his ear keeping him on the straight and narrow and as his star continued continued to rise. There was nobody around to keep him in check not his wife not his mother not his teammates. Nobody could tell him no and that was just fine by him. Coming Up Pete becomes truly on shackled and now back to the story when Pete Rose lost his his father Harry in December nineteen seventy the twenty nine year old all star was beset with Grief Harry had meant everything to him but pete refused to let his father's death destroy him by the time the first pitch was thrown for the nineteen seventy one season. Pete Pete was ready to play and he had a hell of a team behind him to do it with the big red machine was the nickname of the nineteen seventies. Cincinnati natty reds the core of the team dominated the National League for the majority of the decade some still consider them to be one of the greatest teams teams ever assembled they trotted out future hall of famers Johnny Bench Joe Morgan and Tony Perez with a supporting cast that included Ken Griffey Senior and George Foster and of course Pete Rose Pete was one of baseball's most fearsome players throughout the nineteen seventies he won. MVP In nineteen seventy three and captain the reds to another world series appearance in nineteen seventy five this time they were facing off against the Boston Red Sox after Pete led the team to an incredible comeback in game six. The reds headed into game seven with a championship on the line. The team came out of the gates sluggish luggage and slow by the time the sixth inning came around Boston was up three to nothing with one out and all seemed lost then. Pete rose came up to bat like most of the twenty five hundred plus hits peed racked up to that point. The ball didn't have a ton of power behind it but there was enough to get him to first base when the next batter came up. Pete bounced up and down in anticipation nation as long as the batter hit a decent ball nothing could stop eat from getting to the next base or beyond nothing except for or a ground ball to the shortstop poorly hit grounder like that often lead to double plays in fact Boston had already racked up two two of them so far. If they got another one it would be three outs and another inning wasted. Pete prepared to run as the pitcher wound up through the batter swung and sent the ball straight to the shortstop from there. All the shortstop had to do was make an easy eight foot toss to the second baseman and P would be out there was almost no point in running but this was the world series and Pete was determined to try he charged down the baseline and launched into a feet first slide. Has the shortstop tossed the ball to the second basement. He was too late. The baseman caught the ball before pete arrived and stamped his foot on the bag. Pete was out but his teammate wasn't pete slide disrupted the basement as he threw the ball. I it sailed high allowing. Pete's teammate to get all the way to second the next batter hit the ball out of the park bringing the score to three two to all of a sudden the reds were back in the Game Cincinnati would go on to win the game four to three with Pete being named. Mvp of the World Series Stories when he was anointed as the sports illustrated athlete of the year for Nineteen seventy five the article would cite his heroic break-up of that double play as one of the season's key moments. The next season Pete once again led the reds to a world world series win by nineteen seventy eight he had racked up over three thousand hits in twelve all star selections at thirty seven years old old. Pete Rose was well on his way to becoming one of the greatest baseball players of all time and it was all thanks to the relentless drive his father had instilled in him but unfortunately that was not all hairy had instilled in Pete well he followed his father's example of never touching a drop of alcohol and always going to bed early but he also took Harry's fondness for gambling to another level by the end of the nineteen seventies. Pete was placing daily Bets on Horse Races Football Games and other sporting events he put down about two thousand was in dollars per wager equivalent of seven thousand dollars in today's money he wasn't anywhere near bankruptcy but it was developing into a dangerous serious habit and it wasn't his only one in nineteen seventy eight pete had a paternity suit filed against him by a woman he had been seeing being down in Florida although it was embarrassing to have her husband's name in the tabloids. Pete's wife Caroline stayed by his side his infidelity Elodie wasn't news to her after all but having him bring girls back to his hotel room during road trips was one thing having real relationships with them was another another matter altogether and if the articles detailing Pete's case were to be believed he had spent a significant amount of time with the child's mother. It turned out the woman. Florida wasn't the only one pete was seriously seeing behind Caroline's back in September nineteen seventy. Pete and Caroline's son Pete Rose Junior proudly told his mother that he had gone to the race track with Pete and they had seen his father's girlfriend. There Carolyn did a little more digging and found out. This girlfriend was a woman named Carol Carolyn could tolerate a lot but she couldn't stand the thought of Pete flaunting his mistress in front of her child. In September nineteen seventy seventy nine caroline filed for divorce. Pete found out right before he was going to take the field for a game against the New York. Mets it marked a second second separation for Pete that year the first was at the beginning of the nineteen seventy nine season when Pete changed teams for the first time in his career career. Even though he was in the twilight of his career at thirty eight years old Pete was still highly regarded put the growing rumors about his unstable personal life as well as his desire to be the highest paid player in baseball were too much for his employers to swallow as much as it pained him. Pete wasn't willing to take the low ball offer Cincinnati gave him after a lengthy free agent courtship he signed signed with the Philadelphia phillies three point two million dollars over four years the equivalent of about ten million dollars today the big red machine gene was officially disassembled. Pete was far from done by the time he left the reds and he hit amassed three thousand one hundred sixty four hits he was less than a thousand behind ty COBB's all time record of four thousand one eight hundred eighty nine. It was a record that seemed unbreakable like Joe Dimaggio's fifty six game hit streak or cy youngs five hundred eleven and pitching wins but if Pete could play at a high level for a few more years he could do the unthinkable he could pass cobb and become the new hit king. He was up further challenge despite his tumultuous Personal Life Pete collected another two two hundred eight hits in his first season with the phillies the next year he had one hundred eighty five hits and helped lead the phillies to victory in the world series but as the saying goes father time is undefeated and Pete Rose was no exception during the nineteen eighty three season forty two year old. Pete had less-than-stellar to forty-five batting average. He had one hundred twenty. Anyone hits far below his usual standards. It was the lowest total of his career including the nineteen eighty-one season shortened by a strike break in which he had one hundred forty hits and only one hundred and seven games it was also the first time he wasn't selected for the All Star game in ten years. He was only two hundred twenty nine hits behind ty COBB's record but if pete was going to surpass him it wouldn't wouldn't be with the phillies at the end of the nineteen eighty three season. They asked Pete if he was willing to accept a diminished role on the team. He refused fused by that point team. Success meant less to Pete than passing ty Cobb not wanting to be the organization that denied Pete Rose's bid to become the all time hits leader. The phillies released him from his contract. However there wasn't the same clamor to sign him as there was when he left the reds in seventy nine in the end pete signed with the Montreal Expos on a one year contract that could rise to eight hundred thousand thousand dollars if he met certain incentives but he didn't care that much about the money he cared about catching ty Cobb Pete achieved the major milestone of four thousand hits early that season twenty one years to the day after his first major league hit fittingly it was in a game against Philadelphia but after that exciting moment pete did little to while the expos faithful by August he was hitting only two sixty his playing time was dwindling right along with his chances of beating ty hi college record later that month. Pete got the lifeline he so desperately craved and it was from none other than his former team. The Cincinnati reds after Pete left in nineteen seventy nine the team had gone on into a tailspin with a garbage record and painfully low attendance reds President Bob House. Them needed a way to reinject some life into the fan base. He figured there was no better way to do that. Then to bring the franchises most famous player back home he called Pete and told him he wanted wanted him back on the team and not just as a player house. Zim also wanted to be the team's manager. It was the perfect perfect opportunity not only would pete be returning as the hometown hero but he wouldn't ever have to worry about how much playing time he would get if he needed more at bats he could just put himself into the game. After five and a half years away Pete was poised for a triumphant homecoming and the expos weren't particularly attached to Pete and they happily traded him back to the reds can exchange for Journeyman infielder named Tom. Lawless take on August sixteenth nineteen eighty-four. It was official. Pete rose was once again in Cincinnati red but the move wasn't without controversy. Although the position of being a player manager wasn't new it was more popular killer in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds since nineteen sixty. Only five other players had done it and very few managed to serve in both roles with any real success. Pete tried to sue the critics by promising he wanted to instil to rules in his team. They they were the same rules his father. Harry instilled in him beyond time and play hard as for his own playing time he knew he couldn't put himself self in the lineup every single day but as long as he could still hack it and the pitcher wasn't a lefty he was going to take the field. Pete's first game back in his hometown was August seventeenth. More than thirty five thousand people showed up over twice the reds normal attendance that year. He didn't waste any time giving the fans what they wanted pulling on his old number fourteen uniform. He took his customary Mary Place in the batting order on his first at Bat. It was as if Pete picked up where he left off. After the nineteen seventy eight season his last as a red he launched the ball deep into center field as Iran down the baseline. The years seemed to follow away. He sprinted past. I without a second thought of stopping second base wasn't good enough either as he neared third pete launched into a headfirst slide tagging the bag a spray of dirt safe. It was the first of another thirty five hits. He'd have that season season in only twenty six games. Pete's returned to Cincinnati hadn't only reenergize the fan base it had reenergized him as well all all of a sudden he was only ninety four hits behind ty COBB. The all time hits record was within reach and it looked like he'd break it it as a read the nineteen eighty five season dawn with a sense of palpable excitement the press warm the city like never her before eclipsing anything. Pete had seen in his heyday. Everyone wanted a piece of Pete rose and he was happy to oblige them. Before the season started pete made an agreement with the sporting news to make daily journal entries throughout the season they'd be compiled piled into a paperback called countdown to Cobb. He also made a deal with the Cincinnati Inquirer to allow a young journalist named John or Artie already too closely cover. Pete and the team throughout the season as part of his background research Iraqi interviewed Pete's mother Laverne Burn. He had no idea it would lead to one of the most stunning revelations in the history of sports parts while they got to know each other laverne brought up the previous season's world series between the San Diego padres and the Detroit Troy Tigers. She told Iraqi that Pete had lost a bundle of money by betting on the underdog padres. Gherardi ready did a double take. He wasn't a season sports writer but he knew that if what Laverne said was true it would be grounds for Pete to be banned from baseball for life. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals next week in part two will follow. Pete Rose's attempt attempt to break the all time hits record but has the truth about his gambling habits comes to light his status as one of baseball's all time greats is placed in in jeopardy in addition to the many sources we used we found Pete Rose and American dilemma by cost you Kennedy extremely helpful to our our research. 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215: Can Bobby Ryan Now Make a Comeback? Pete Rose Tries Again, Jimbotron Performs Amateur Vasectomy

"Steve One all right greetings. Everybody welcome to the project objects featuring daily dialogue interviews and laughs of the hottest stories in sports. It's all presented by all Insurance Ontario and RB computing shooting coming up today. Bobby Ryan is back skating with the Ottawa. Senators is there a spot for him at this stage of the Game Super Bowl Rally Travis. Calcio is an interesting character and he has some things to say. We've got Hockey Stories fifteen hundred points for Joe Thornton. Anthony Anthony Mantha suffers I ape punctured lung and Buffalo Saber unique happening right now. Still Ahead here on the project. Shout to another great new listeners. Come on board to support the project Silva go Dan who also themselves writing for our website for membership and sponsorship. Details Jackets Steve. W PROJECT DOT com. Thank you for being with us. We hope you enjoy joy shell to my left here or you might be to mind right. Jim Jerome how Jim Goodstein they. Ah there good how. `Bout you I'm great good deal good deal Silva go day go down there and see Sylvain. There's a little rhyme there. I came up with while you were mentioning that it's terrible. You WanNa take back on that one. I brought that up. Do you remember. There was a a parody dude in baseball who made sentences out of guys last names. It was hilarious areas. so He'd say their first name and then it was like the one. I remember the most burt bly eleven so when his introduce L. His name. You'd say burt be home by eleven. That remember that Guy I do. I don't know I I don't know if you guys did it. That Chris Berman did it for a long time. I'm from colorful names but there's also some guys on. CNN Like van will write us to do things like that. So right. There's a throwback. Yeah Yeah Ah so I don't. I don't even know what became of that guy but anyway I don't know exactly which guy you're talking about but there were a number of guys are quite famous for doing stuff like that breath well it was funny they with a bunch of names and the one I didn't like was jungle. DOUCHEBAG JEROME I mean. Where's where's the play? PLAY ON WORDS THERE Steve. I don't really you know. Where's the alliteration? Where something in there that doesn't that doesn't rhyme? That didn't make me laugh. Though so mission accomplished Bush. Did you ever see the one with Ray Romano on Saturday night. Live where he basically was trying to do that. Be that kind of sports caster in In the context of the sketch and he just like some of them were like the worst catchphrases of all time he'd be like see Malagasy that balls out. uh-huh Sassy Malagasy. Well there's great homerun call a in in in sports. Baseball is the best for the home. Run calls even is is it. Rick generates the guy and in Buffalo. I don't know if he's still calls the Games he was he was he was really really good. Big One was Pat Lafontaine right at Christmas time. Lafontaine got a big goal. And so he's like screw la La la La la La fall awesome. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah he's he's known for a bunch but but baseball guys. Are you know the one I I worked. I sat in one time doing color baseball game here for the trappers and because the the guy was alone not tougher job in baseball. You really appreciate Vince. Gully right who did all the dodge dodger games for all those years but he did Abiam self never had a color guy right and it is entire career. I think so I think so. He did all those. You've done baseball do you imagine that With like all of them now have two two guys for sure often three when they call a baseball game right. Because there's so much downtime right. It's all downtime. It's all downtown right. It takes one pitch takes fucking nanosecond and the rest is downtime anyway. The Guy We're al colts was his name. He he was a longtime Evanston guy still around and he loved making those home. Run calls or even fly ball calls or a Hits you know. Even it's frozen rope and all they hit that on a frozen rope at the end of the any they'll go up like a lion down like a lamb. We're we're all die five all. That's a big tall Canada cream court for the left fielder that one that one is up up up and goodbye. Mr Spalding. That one's Outta here open. Open Your Window Mrs Brown. This one's coming home right. Talk Shit but the problem was Steve. He couldn't see very well. You know Kinda need to be able to see to be ineffective play. Hey by play man because you're all about theater of the mind. You're painting a picture for the listener. If you can't see you're not very helpful. Yeah he could see the infield right he you could see the Info but but he couldn't see long fly balls and but he loved making the call and I remember being in there and he goes there there. It is there tim. Curls get underneath Nathan. I left field and we're all done for this guy. The guy looked dropped. The ball and the guy stole second. No we're not going anywhere yet. I'll know it went off the tip of his glove. Oh Okay we're still alive my favorite Baseball play by play story. I think it was an old the Yankees Guy. Don't always John Sterling or somebody of his ilk But it was basically. He's getting long in the tooth. He basically leaves for a commercial. She'll break and then he rolls back in just as they've come back on air and all of a sudden he's calling the action and he panics because as a new guy I out in Centerfield and he's not sure who it is but up on the board he sees the center field and some guy playing center field right now. Is John Fogerty Liberty. y'All John Forward to that one and makes the grab Well of course Jon Fogarty. The lead singer of as a solo artist had a big hit called center field old and he missed the fact they had just done name that tune contest during the between the innings. Fantastic I thought beautiful. I've embarrassed myself many times Stevie TV. So I love to see when other guys do it. Remember the boom goes the dynamite kid. Doing the college broadcast. I just looked at it. Stevie boom boom goes the dynamite. Oh my God. I can't believe the kids are like you say he's doing this audition. He can't even form words. No He's going his brain broke and uh-huh goes and let's take a look at this the last week's situation and is that one one moment where he looks off camera. I think to the floor director as if to say please God please help me. I don't know what I'm doing. I like the way he's calling a game that's already been done right. The highlights. Yeah and he goes and let's see what happens here. He stands back for three and he made it look like he's watching live game so funny later he gets the rebound passes it to the man shoots it and boom goes the dynamite it all right. Let's take time out. We've got lots to get to today. You've got some hockey news. We want to tackle straight out of the gate and we'll get back to these works when you need insurance. You have a few options. One Google it and take a chance to spend hours negotiating rates or three texts me. I'm Peter Partner broker at all Insurance Ontario. I'll find you the best plan at the best rates. Text me at six one. Three aides are one two six five nine or visit all in dot ca all insurance Ontario Ontario. Your modern boutique broker. If you're buying or selling your home in the Ottawa area than you need the Glenn Walton Real Estate Team. We really recommend them when you lift your home with Glenn. He'll set aside a budget toward things. Your home may need to get it ready to hit the market. And after you've closed the deal if working on the buying side two thousand dollar Gift Card ride to any store in Ottawa. You choose something unique for the house trip hockey gear whatever contact Glenn today at Glen Walton Dot Com all right so boom goes the dynamite. Dare you the Buffalo sabres season. James is starting into unravel as it tends to annually Nouvelle six one to Colorado which will be the sends opponent tonight and the March the clubs for loss and five games. They're or eleven points out of the playoffs in the east. And it's mutiny. Time I know you love those Sam Reinhart of the sabre says is the players have nobody to blame but themselves according to the Buffalo News he said it's all coming down to the players at this point the systems and the game plans that has set that out for us. Give us an opportunity to have success. Guys need to demand more of themselves and a lot of guys need to step the hell up that that is never going to go over well with teammates if it was you okay I can get when teams going bad right. They've got it. They got to come up with something here right right and you're never going to hear a player go. Well tell you what it's fucking coaching okay. That's the problem hated. It doesn't have it may be. It may not be so. Generally you'll you'll you'll hear something we've got to do better we. We've gotTA SHARPEN UP. We've got to do this and that's all good if you stop there okay. Here's the pro. If I'm on that team Steven this guy goes further and says there's some guys on this team. They've got to step up so first of all that means you're not talking about you right and if I'm on the team I'm waiting in the Locker Room when that guy comes in and goes just who are you talking about. They're just when you bring that up. What players do you have in mind that you're speaking of the dumbest thing I've ever heard and it happens players do it and I don't know I just I I I see no upside? I see no upside being in the press saying that. I'm doing my job. What's wrong with you people totally well in particular story I knew where a coach here and Emerton team got in a bar fight the interviewed the coach after something? I think you probably know who it is and the coach said. Hey look don't don't look at me has nothing to do with me. And whammo blacklisted. Blacklisted and As far as I understand that story anyway you just. It's just not going to bode well right where you're calling guys in the press. You know I mean if you're leading you're trying to be a leader step one leadership one. Oh One keep that shit in house. You want to have that that conversation you truly feel that way then deal with it. in-house listen you you you you back check like a donkey right you have. How did that conversation in the context of the locker room or wherever but to go to the media with it now? Maybe already did that other thing. Maybe felt like this is his last stance you know. I'd have to try this now calling guys ever publicly. Maybe that's the only thing we're going to get in terms of improving the results. I don't know no so. I hate to speculate too far but yeah I mean just generally speaking that is a an offside play. And he's going to hear about it. I think from his teammates. I listen I just just as easy as it is to. Cyo Team played well during a game. It's just as easy to see where teams play Bat. A defenseman that didn't get back that got his ankles broken. The guy went around him or whatever right. You don't need to go into the media after and rehash it you know when you've lost five hundred six games and say some guys gotTa Step Up. I'M GONNA know if I'm a fan of Buffalo and I'm watching those games and highlight package. I know exactly WHO's talking about. It's so dysfunctional in Buffalo. Though it just they just continually struggle and it looked like you know with Jack acco coming in like. He's in his fifth year with the Buffalo Sabres at some stage. You GotTa look at Your your situation. And whether it's reinhard saying the things he said yesterday or whether you look Jack Eichel I mean from what I'm told Jack. Eichel takes a lot of oxygen in that dressing room. All Really I. I didn't know that chemistry if it goes sideways. I think we talked about this yesterday. If it goes sideways on it can take an all star team and make it a non playoff team and I would wonder if the Sabres abors are maybe in that in that mode right now and they need to do something really dramatic to shake that tree. Well you're a coach. Now are you reinhard. That's what I'm doing as the head guy. Hey you got all the moves here. You got all the suggestions. Do I mean shut your hole man. Shut your hole. We're going bad enough as if that helps. But if I'm the head coach coach I'm sitting that guy down going. You know what I'm GonNa sit you tonight. You fucking Blowhard Bobby Ryan. Speaking of guys who've been saddled sat out by their coach looks like he's going to be back in the sends lineup before long because he's now returned from the NHLPA's assistance program him where he's basically been dealing with that since mid-november and he's now officially cleared from that. I shouldn't say the word cleared. I don't know exact Louis says graduated. He's moved on. It passed it and now he's ready to rejoin the NHL. And he's officially practicing with the Ottawa Senators as step one. One James is that that is very good news before we talk about any hockey issues for Bobby Ryan. The person what has happened since then I I credit the League and I credit the team is it went no further than that meaning. meaning that there wasn't this this full exposure of what the guy's problem is which which to me always is no one's business once they say this. It's personal reasons. You gotta drop everything. Drop everything okay. This is they say that that. That doesn't happen all the time right. It's it's you know people. The rumor mill starts happening. People begin to weigh in and I hate it. I I hate it when they go. So Bobby Ryan is removed himself from the game for personal reasons. What do you think about that? Bob Are you. Should you use a different name. Steve for the effect. What do you think about that Galardo right? It's like what are you. Why are you asking that? Why wasn't it curiosity you? Yeah drop it though drop it. The Guy said personally anyway you know for example vital drug or booze problem which is known to have one of the great things about getting help. Is that someone reaches out in the support. Says this is between you and I you know this is between us. Nobody the else. Let's see we can do to help. And so I think it's a great example and that'll bode well for other players who look at their their life and go okay this this is okay I can. I can maybe begin to try and rip the band aid off with some stuff. So I'm I'm impressed. That there was no further stories about it after he left. And what we're hearing about is he's back now so the nice thing is even if the news did get out which it didn't think we're at a stage now in twenty twenty where people unless it's something in criminal or violent. I think most people are pretty understanding these days. They get addiction. They get mental health Whatever it is that the person is is dealing with people are a lot more understanding and forgiving with these things? So it's not like it was say thirty years ago where people would point fingers or you know whatever and people go into these shame spyros as a result I think people by and large are a lot more understanding than they once were. Meanwhile from a hockey the perspective I wonder about the future Bobby Ryan in Ottawa. Yes he's got time left on his contract but we're getting to a stage where you really. We do have to consider with this guy where he's at I mean he's had any he's played fourteen or fifteen games his one goal and think forces forces and you can't have that guy on your third or fourth line. He just doesn't he is not in shape or it doesn't work hard enough. He's not that kind of player. If it Bobby Ryan's going to play for you it needs to be in that top six range and he doesn't score enough. You know the rest of the seasons are right off in Ottawa. Any way there's going to be some guys shipped out of the deadline so there's probably going to be room for Bobby Ryan for the rest of this season but I would think that it'll be a pretty strong consideration when the next bio window in the NHL comes around. I think it's on June fifteenth that the sends strongly consider buying out Bobby Ryan well. Here's how I look at this thing. I oh I think can be one of the great i. I think what makes sports really really good really good. Is the Comeback Story you know I love it. I love when you often hear it. Engulf a guy win a tournament and then the backstory is what eighteen months ago that guy was working in a pro shop selling clubs and was going to give up the game. And maybe Bobby Ryan will be that you know I like that. I hope positive point of view and I I certainly hope for that as well. Be Great for the organization. Certainly personally right I got. I got supported when when fucking life was upside down and and this was an international comeback Steve by any means but I came out of it and when I look at let myself I'm like I never thought I would would be able to do what I'm doing now from Zack. Kassian and Edmonton came forward and said I'm an alcoholic. I got a boost problem right and now that guy's in playing unbelievable hockey right so I love that story story. I love the Comeback Story. And hopefully we're looking at one well said One other hockey note and that's Anthony. Mantha is in the news and he's been out for a wile now after a pretty nasty play. That looks like a suspended will play me but you go back to just before Christmas. Smith's December twenty first. We knew that Anthony Mantha had suffered a rib injury after he was judo. Thrown to the ice by leafs defensemen Jake Muhsin basically slammed onto the ice and it took six weeks to heal and turns out he had a punctured lung. We didn't we know that part of it so that is he said he never felt pain like that ever. Do you get the flu two days after he had that injury hundred and three degree fever. So you get coughing and stuff going on as well while you've got punctured lung broken rib and just a mess. So he's coming close to getting back back in the lineup comebacks. Holy Man. You know. Usually it's cracked ribs. You hear that all the time right. Get the ribs cracked in in hockey. But if your rib gets broken and it's puncturing your lung. I mean that means almost the the rib was snapped into. That gets me so bad. But I'm almost dry heaving here in my mouth while and that was a pretty thin team to start within Detroit writing this is the I mean the the red wings right now I just uniquely awful. They're record right now. Through fifty four four games they have twelve wins. Twelve wins twenty eight points in fifty four games like put it in perspective the sends who are regarded league-wide this year era as a bad team will right now. They're nineteen points ahead of the red wings and Stevens back there isn't he. I guess he needs a couple years to fix the. Oh Yeah it's a full. It's a full on rebuild. Going on there right now. That's why maybe more than any team near the bottom of the standings. They need Alexi La- frontier here. They look like a team. That is really really going for the frontier. They've now lost nine straight and their plus minus team is minus ninety six chice ace. That's horrendous minus ninety six. Oh God well when we talk about these other things they pale in comparison like there's Bobby Ryan Story Reinhard popping off in the press with Buffalo. You know they become what the first world problems if you're a hockey team and your Detroit. It's like really voice. Come on over here if you WANNA have no fun at all so it doesn't take long term team around though and the Colorado Avalanche which take on tonight They are proof positive that they were a bad team for quite a while and they are now as good as bet as anybody to win a Stanley Cup up. In my opinion they just got so much up front offensively. They're fun team to watch. So that should be an interesting one tonight We'll talk more about that in just a moment but we also want to get into our RB computing web poll. And it's on Pete. Rose Pete rose is named back in the news because he wants to apply for reinstatement once again and he feels like he's got a shot this time and in fact some of our listeners. Do too so we'll get to our web poll here in just a second after these words. When you need insurance you have a few options one? Google take a chance to spend hours negotiating rates or three texts me. I'm Jerry partner broker at all Insurance Ontario. I'll find you the best plan at the best rates. Text me at six one. Three eight zero one two six five nine or visit all in dot ca all insurance Ontario. Your your modern boutique broker. If you're buying or selling your home in the Ottawa area then you need the Glenn Walton Real Estate Team. We really recommend them. When you list your home with Glenn he'll he'll set aside a budget towards things? Your home may need to get it ready to hit the market and after you've closed the deal if you're working on the buying side it's a thousand dollar gift card to any store and auto auto you choose something you need for the house trip hockey gear. Whatever contact Lynn Today Glenn Walton Dot Com rb Computing Web bowl for today at Jimmy? Jam Should Pete Rose be reinstated. Now Pete Rose is filed for reinstatement statement to Major League baseball because of the handling of the Astros signed stealing scandal is that opened the door pete rose to be reinstated and thus be considered for the hall of fame. Does it change anything at all. Basically Pete Rose's stepping up today and saying to Major League Baseball. Hey Hey you're not banning them for life. Why am I banned for life right right so you know? Maybe the guy doesn't have a point I guess. But here's the thing with Pete rose it has been so long now and so much in the news about this every year it comes up every year at some point in the year it comes up about Pete Rose Somehow someway a you know someone breaks a record or his base stealing deal or whatever and it always comes up and everyone says the same thing. No No. You're not getting in if they put him in. Now though. Steve if you were Pete rose would you really want to be put in there now and and so he gets put in this year and and then everyone who walks through the hall of fame. Everyone's GonNa Walk to but let me tell you about. PM Rolls Okay. His He needs an open heroes. Okay so I say if I don't WanNa go in there. I think the reason it won't happen. Is that think about it for a SEC. Pete rose is asking for. Reinstatement the Major League Baseball. And he's basically saying that because of Major League Baseball's dumb decision to not ban all the Houston Houston Astros for life. The way they did. Pete rose therefore I should not be banned for life. Or you're asking Major League baseball to do. There is admit that the astro punishment I was dumb. Major League. Baseball is GONNA do that like if Pete Rose has any hope of this. Don't deal with Major League Baseball. The only way he can get this done I think a court of law. Yeah well maybe on the other hand you know the guy has a point guys appoint. I just don't think Major League Baseball is gonNA listen to it. Well there's certainly going to do it right away. That's for sure. But someone's GonNa come in you know what we've got an issue here. I will say this I think Pete rose. I'm definitely understanding why he's doing doing this. I just don't think you'll have any legs stand on with Major League Baseball. Yeah and and Pete. Rose's infraction was betting on sports betting on baseball. All and to me that leaves open a whole massive can of worms. That's that to me is worse than cheating. I think so too. cheaters are trying to win. That's right that's the that's the deal I've always had with Pete. Rose it goes. Well I bet I only bet on our team did you really. Did you really. Who knows right and it doesn't matter either? The only way that that would have any legs is if he bet on his team every single game of his managerial career. Otherwise what are you telling the betting community dirty on the days. You don't bet on your team even if you're betting on your own team to win by twenty runs I every single time it's still the optics are horrible. And you can't have it. And and every major sport has to clamp down on it and throw the book at Major League Baseball did regardless of what happened with the Houston Astros and regardless of what. The decision was in the punishment. I don't blame baseball for keeping their heels dug in So some of the feedback we got on this poll meltdown. Radio Radio Meltdowns. CKC You Charlie. Hustle is eight dollar haircut. They belong in Cooperstown set. Says it's a bad haircut Well it's not hair. Jim Set writes yes. Do you want to elaborate on that at all Jim bus driver Bruce Russillo one writes yeah. It's been long enough but do it with an asterisk just like the steroid guys put them all in be done with it. Aroma bean rights rose should be in the hall with a big asterisk beside his name for why he's banned from baseball the MLB screwed up the chance to send a message to all the cheaters. Their punishment of the Astros rose is a joke. Their championship should be voided and have asterisks everywhere. He likes the asterisks. You can't do that if you start doing that. Steve is like Jim Jerome in the hall of fame although he was four hundred home run home run shy and a bunch of wins short of it. So we'll put a little star beside him but we're GONNA put them in villains. Just put it in a house of villains at the hall and then just be like should we go in there. Oh kids away from come away from there while he probably the most popular popular place at Cooperstown if you had a hall of villains or how civilians whatever hockey lobster rights put them in the hall already snipe and Chirp if the Astros can keep their championships ships. I don't see how they cannot reinstate him and Sean Blackburn writes he needs to be in the hall. Rose is a great story in the Major League Baseball history straight. Thank you for all your feedback today. Ladies and gentlemen but will the Astros get to keep their championship. We don't know yet. Thank roses thing is have been no players who've been banned for life out of this whole thing even though they've been some really really guilty party us again. I really do you want to go in now. And everyone's going to fucking cheater. The Web Paul is presented by RB computing. Steve they've been helping Ottawa with their. It needs big or small for over twenty years right now. CHECK OUT THE NEW WACO SOFT surface pro seven the twelve inch touchscreen two and one laptop that's ultralight versatile with all day battery life visit rb Computing Dot com today or see them in bells corners at one. Oh six men play suite two three five. I don't think I have it in the else. Except for maybe a little travis. Kelsey Kelsey to take us home the Kansas City chiefs the conquering heroes. Twenty one years down Milwaukee as well how about twenty one years what that means everybody. Here's thinking in Yami legally get a drink now twenty one years. That's how that's how long it's just been turning from our guy. Andy Reid It's just been turning learning journey. Turn own way to a chain of fast. Cloudy you nothing I shall eared fourth quarter six and whatever left on the clock downtown and We Patrick mahomes eighty re baby. How about Sammy Watkins Damian me we don't Hey Travis Kelsey at the big super bowl rally today and animal now or something take quite a character? I want to go one of those things. Steve could we. Just maybe. Just have a parade Steve and pretend we won a world championship or something when I like it. The numbers on the podcast are good. We've we've cracked some substantial numbers. We can have a parade about it. Let's go get all the listeners. We'll meet down on Algan. We'll get a flatbed truck. We'll all get on the float and we'll just start to yell incoherent ship to people up and down this. I Iraq. All the things we could do if you weren't Edmonton. Yeah all sorts of stuff. You're hampering the PODCAST. It's time for you to move back to Ottawa. You got me think okay. You got me thinking. I'm all done Steve. Tonight everybody will see a good morning. Scrim shanks Uh Jimbo tron heard about Dr Weiss and his reaching the twenty five thousand vasectomy mark. Today that means vasectomies are a booming business. Jim In voltron once. and Oh look. Here's jumbotrons first patient. All right pants off sir. Good now please. He's lying down okay. You're now going to feel a slight pinch. Let's just warm this thing up a little Okay here we go Aw there you go you can leave your check it reception with with any luck. The bleeding should let up in a few days. Rose Stop your whining and be a man. Steve Reform Project.

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Bruce Bochy on Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn and Madison Bumgarner

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

53:49 min | 10 months ago

Bruce Bochy on Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn and Madison Bumgarner

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST. This is baseball tonight. Podcast for Wednesday April eight. Two Thousand Twenty. I'm buster only working from my home studio in New York killers. Wink is working from his home. Studio in Connecticut and tail. Today is a big day in baseball history forty-six anniversary of the biggest events in baseball history. What off the. I know you're not as big of a baseball design but off the top of your head. What do you think the remember what? It was forty six years ago so that was on. That's a hell of a hand so I'm thirty. So we're talking. And nineteen seventy three or seventy four. I have no idea. Buster literally zero clue. Okay well listen to this ball. And no Dr Aaron waiting out the beep straightaway fastball. Better deal clock Marvelous Marvin for baseball marvelous moments for Atlanta and the state of Georgia. What marvelous moment for the country in the world a black man is getting a standing ovation in the deep south or breaking a record of all time. Baseball idle added a great moment for all of us and particularly for him rearm. Yup that's right the anniversary the day when Hank Aaron Broke Babe. Ruth's all time home. Run Records April Eighth Nineteen seventy four. It happening Atlanta Taylor. I was ten years old and you know I told you. I grew up on a dairy farm. So I'd get up early. Four thirty five o'clock to go to the barn every day and I fell asleep before that took place but my mom wonderful late mom who really was the one who got me interested in baseball because she bought me a book on Sandy Koufax when I was eight years old. She left me a note on the kitchen table the morning after and she described it how what happened and Hank Aaron broke babe. Ruth's record and she just had one sentence and it said. The crowd cheered and I always think of finding that. Note the morning after and being so excited about About what Hank Aaron did. That's so funny. I you know as soon as you said like you fell asleep and that you're you started saying your mom in my first thought was what my parents would do is pop in a videotape and record something on TV and that just wasn't an option back in the day no and we didn't even have television. She listened to we. We had nothing but radio until I finally overpowered by parents wanted his fifteen and got to watch some got to watch the world series on television. Wow Different Times speaking of legends. Today we're going to be talking with former giants manager. Bruce Bocce Future Hall of Famer. He's got tons of stories and a strong feeling about whether he wants to manage again and stories about. Pete Rose Tony Gwynn. Buster Posey's ten. Let's go Madison Bumgarner Paul Hembekides will join us. Because he's got stuff on Bruce Bochy in the aftermath of reports that Major League Baseball on the Players Association have been discussing a plan to begin to play in Arizona in May Major League Baseball issued a statement which went along these lines. Mlb has been actively considering numerous contingency plans that would allow play to commence once the public health situation has improved to the point that it is safe to do so while we have discussed the idea of staging games at one location as one potential option. We've not settled on that option or developed a detailed plan while we continue to interact on a regular basis with governmental and public health officials. We've not sought or received approval of any plan from federal state or local officials or the players association before we get to coach in. Have you talked to Hembo about the quote Unquote Arizona Plan? Check out the latest episode of the Bill Barnwell. Show Barnwell is joined first by Todd. Mcshay as the to discuss the process of scouting quarterbacks than Bill Connolly joins Barnwell to breakdown. Joe Burroughs writes from transfer quarterback to the likely first overall pick. Fight it where we get your podcast jumping into the numbers. Valuating millions of leases data in league playing the avs Cincinnati by do bites. This is Hembo knows. Hembo is palling bikinis a researcher at ESPN D- He is a on the show. Get up he tells us he's the head Honcho. We've not been able to confirm that Hembo I can tell you. There are a lot of theories around baseball yesterday that That that story about the potential games being played in Arizona in very specific sites having bio dome type situation with fifteen hundred members of teams basically locked down to play a bunch of games. There are a lot of theories around the sport yesterday that that was a trial balloon and I think it fell flat. What'd you think I I get the same sense not dissimilar to the trial balloon. It floated just a few weeks ago prior regarding the new playoff format in some sense but to stick to the point. Here buster. I I would say when I read the headline. Mlb plans for May start in Arizona. I guess my first sort of Cynical reaction was or the also going to announce that they're releasing a vaccine because sure because short of that. I don't know how on Earth could happen then. I read the piece and after reading the piece. I think the way I would best describe. Their plan is way overly ambitious. I think that's how I would describe it to be clear. I like the thinking I like. The fact that they're willing to think creatively and outside the box and radically differently because these are unprecedented times. And we know that. But when you boil all the variables together it seems extraordinarily unlikely to me that they could pull anything close to this together. So those are I was supposed to be a fourth generation pharmacists. Okay until you gotTa Diene Chemistry. I talked to my dad yesterday about this. He said he's a scientist at Astra Zeneca. He was fooled by the plant. He he describes me as irresponsible. He thinks it is unfathomable to think that people could be playing baseball as early as next month. His best guess is late in the summer. Which is I think more in line to what you know the rest of us are hearing and to to to put it as clearly as I could and chatting with him in in reading some other Science on the matter what would have to happen. Essentially as everyone would need to be tested in order to get this improved like all everybody. Fifteen hundred people like you said which would be close to impossible given the current testing Climate and then those people would not be exposed to anything and to be able to control the behavior of fifteen hundred human beings over the course of four and a half months. I think is is next to impossible. I I would agree with you. You Know I. I wrote a column on Sunday about how I understand. This sort of reflexive push for sports leads to get back and we saw after nine eleven how it came back and it was. It was so healing for for New York and for folks around the country to the distraction of baseball and other sports which is something the White House really wanted and the White House right now. You'd probably want that. But there's one enormous difference between the stituation after nine eleven the situation. Now you made reference to it. You can't tell the players that you can keep them safe. You can't tell players you know that you're going to protect them and I tweeted out over the weekend that if I were a player by first question would be about this bio dome idea. Are The owners? GonNa be in there to our donors going to be in in in with us and taking the same risks short of that I wouldn't entertain it also say this quickly. The there are two things that weren't mentioned that piece that I think the first thing they said suggest after I read it. One one about the minor leaguers right. They weren't made mention of once. We just GONNA as other careers in the seasons at the very least of all these minor league just a wash and secondly major league baseball would have to make spitting punishable by fine like this. That is one of the one of the ways in which is most easily transmitted. Imagine watching baseball game without spinning. That's another that's another sort of a caveat to this that I thought was interesting and probably worth bringing up when we finally end up having this conversation in more. I give me some reflections on alkaline. The hall of Famer but more than that and you. You saw the reaction after. He passed away to what a great person he was. Yeah Alcohol Caitlin was One of the good guys. He was my grandfather's favorite player. My grandfather rooted for the Detroit. Tigers grew up in North West Ohio and so I got to hear lots of stories about alkaline and and revered is probably the best way to put it like. He's he's one of very He's a he's a rare breed one of very few people whose asked anonymous with the city for whom he played as anyone in any sport and it was so refreshing to see the outpouring of of love for my. I read an extraordinary Open the Detroit. Free press with extremely an enormous detail and it is you know. We talked about alkaline as a player just last week because Jim Kaat spoke so highly of him as a player. On Your podcast. But there's a few things that really Stuck out to me about alkaline. Buster's the player first of all was honestly remember him as being prodigious to sign a contract that they after you graduate high school and then appear a week later in the game is a pretty extraordinary thing he remains to this day. The youngest player to ever win about about title and I think the the best story that I read. That really speaks to who he was as a person was in nineteen sixty eight. He missed as you recall a lot of time with an injury and the Tigers went up in the world series that year and he volunteered to take himself out of the lineup despite being their best player and instead they played on four hundred and the world series and was bigger reason why they wanted anybody. But that's the kind of person he was. He was Unselfish to a fault on those he never wanted to. Mvp He he's a person who I think he was very much overlooked In some sense in an base in in the in the scope of time period baseball because there was dominated by the Yankees but a tremendous person a great player and it was nice. It sort of has his to see his moment in a more time this week. It was sad but it was. It was refreshing. Yeah it was one of those reactions. Though is absolutely universal that people really liked him and respected him for the type of person that he was. We're going to be hearing from Bruce Bochy and his second. What was your biggest takeaway from the interview? Which we we sent you a sneak preview of it and he was talking about Tony. Gwynn the Tis. Tony Gwynn stuff was extraordinary and I have to admit that I didn't ever study Tony. Gwynn's career in in in the sense sort of broke it down to before and after. He embraced hitting for power. But I was overwhelmed with the number that I saw. And you'll hear Bruce Bocce an interview talk about this so in the final eighteen career. That's ages thirty four. Through forty one he talks in a five hundred slugging percentage. That's the exact same. Slugging percentage as Fred. Mcgriff did during that time just for some context number fourteen percent higher than it was early in his rear went theoretically he would have been hitting for more power and to provide a little bit more perspective on on what that is it a player of that age or or older thirty four older the higher slugging percentage and Ken Griffey Junior Mel Ott Reggie Jackson Willie mccovey posted and the seasons. And as you'll hear Bruce Bocce say he did it without sacrificing power buster during that time. Twenty Gwin batted three fifty six only up for a higher batting average twenty when after the age of thirty three as you said. He got better with age when he gets truly embrace it for a little bit. More power and spitting on the baseball. And I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Bring this up and I didn't tell you this coming. There's one swing that I vividly remember. Vividly remember illustrating this point. Buster the game one of the Nineteen Ninety. Eight world. Series threw a fastball. His fist and Tony Gwynn sputtered around a hit off the third deck and got. It was a rocket I if I felt like I hit the deck. Like three seconds that. That is a swing. That best illustrates the hitter. That twenty Gwin became. And obviously as you'll hear that There was Ted Williams in some sense that inspired him to do it. Yeah boats tells that story about being in the same room with Tony Gwynn. Ted went my goodness. I can't imagine how much I if you ask for. Charity auction having someplace how much money would generate. Wow that's really cool all right. So what? What are your favorite numbers. Have Bruce Bocce. So the thing most about bocce especially in listen to the interview. His temperament and I truly believe his temperament had a real effect on those giants team. That won three world series. In Five Years Bruce Bocce went five five and Oh in his managing career in postseason winner. Take all games and as team bus outscored. Their opponents twenty nine six in those games. The ultimate tenant one with the giants when facing elimination in a portion of this I think truly is how he managed his bullpens and I do believe that. His personality played in In performance in an tangible way and the giants three World Series Winning Seasons ten twelve and fourteen his bullpen posted a two four two in those three postseasons opponents at one fifty four with a five fifteen p. s. in levered circumstances like it is extremely clear to me and listening to him talk and then watching how teams perform that. He truly had an effect on the temperament of his roster. And the last thing that I'll say is this. I love hearing him talk about Madison Bumgarner. It sort of reminded me of the way that we know. View John McGraw and Christy Mathewson to legends of the game. Now obviously Bocce in an Bumgarner aren't avatars for those two. Mcgraw was a gruff person. And as we know Kristie Matheson was you know they call the Christian gentlemen? What are the most beloved figures in Baseball History? But the way in which they they trusted each other the manner in which they speak of each other the postseason success that they had together is not any different than what we saw with Tom. Brady Bill Belichick. For example I think one hundred years from now will look back on the combination of Bruce Bocce and Madison. Bumgarner very similarly. At some point we gotta hear the bear hunting stores. We break boats down on that right Hembo. Thanks for doing this later. Humana twenty five years in the big leagues we. He wound up with two thousand and three career wins before he ended his tenure with the San Francisco. Giants coach. How you doing i. I'm doing well good to talk with you. Here as we go through these tough times How things with you. I'm hanging in there. Yeah and I appreciate you joining us for some storytelling before we get to that just to. This is your first spring away from baseball and got God knows how many years you were teenager. Right Buster on me after I go back to nineteen seventy five. You know that was here. I was drafted. I didn't know Joe I that was after spring training but As you know last time I did not Go to spring training and you know I didn't know how I would feel but I did go into camp with the giants and I. I was good with it but you know what kept me. Busy too was I agreed to manage the fringe team and the WABC in this qualifying round that they had in Tucson and my son was GonNa Pitch for me and my brother Joe. He was my coach and And we had a blast with it We worked out there in Tucson and we're getting ready to start the round the qualifying round against Germany. And of course it was called up because of this corona virus and I felt for those players. Those fringe players I mean they were so looking forward to it and you know it was a lot of money for them and a thousand dollars for each player to play but they want it or if they qualified I mean they they were to get four thousand. These guys have jobs back in France and And you know we got a group together and I just like the way we came together. We played a couple of giant teams. got minor league teams. Get Ready. We want one last one so they they really pumped up so very disappointed About a good call that wet your appetite. Boats to at some point go back to managing. You know I'm not GONNA lie. It was good to be back on the field. They really was working. These guys You know he would a lot of fun to see these guys just playing a game. You know it's not like they were getting paid a lot. They had a real passion and a great spirit neo four the game and and so they could you know that really Made it so much better for me but you know personally. Now I'M NOT GONNA LIE IT IT IT WAS. GonNa be on the field and I don't know what you know all end up doing but frightened you know. It doesn't matter right now we're all doing same thing. Yeah you're exactly right and no one knows you know when we're going to start up again. I I mentioned to you in the text I sent you a wanted to pick your brain on some memories and some some I some storytelling and I want to start with this and I you know I'd forgotten about this and I've never actually asked you about it on September Eleventh Nineteen Five in Cincinnati. Today's Pete Rose set the all time hit record in you were. The catcher would remember about that right right and you know I was. I begin The catcher every day there for a couple of weeks Only because Terry Kennedy who was starting Catcher His back went out on them. And so we're going in Cincinnati and I'm excited that I'm catching in You know have this chance to be back on the blade when Pete rose gets record in You know I just remember Yeah the first Game Lamar. Hoy was pitching and I think rose Went over four. We just pounded them inside. And Lamar had to fastball. Had good right to it. He could really pitch in well with above the hands and He could cut it to inside there. And and you know Peter that time you know. He didn't quite upstate. Bat speed so we pounded them in and Hit an oprah four and now Kennedy. Meanwhile starting to get healthy. I'm getting nervous. I don't want interpreted as I. I call the Pitch. He could hit but Air Showers pitching the next day. And now we have. I think I might have been to one cow I don't remember should but Anyway we do. I call the slider. Eric's shout through a slider and that was probably as bad speed. Be on it's a jammed. I made that little player to right to left field and Camella Martinez couldn't quite get to it and of course Yeah the celebration. I mean it. It was unbelievable. You know what happened after that You know the the city of Cincinnati how they celebrated of course you know the game stopped and for quite a while and of course he had air chow who now. I don't think down deep. He meant to show any disrespect. But he sat on the mound and controversy`l. But you know I it just Eric and you knew where he just you know in his no was different. Ed and ways that they just he just didn't realize what he was doing so Anyway beside that It was like Mardi Gras and Cincinnati That night I remember yeah. It's funny. You mentioned that the other day we were talking about that. 'cause we're talking about CAL ripken's twenty one thirty one and how the angels players you know. One of the coaches joe men so excited to be part of that moment. You know cal going around doing that. Lap handshaking everyone as you mentioned ten years earlier when Eric Chow gave up that hit. He sat on the rubber. And I agree with you. I certainly know nearly as well as you did but I don't think he intended to show up. He rose. He just didn't know what to do. And the game was stopped and everyone just kind of waiting and no one knew how long that delay would be at the time he set the record right right you know what I you know. I take some responsibility there because I was catching. I should've walked out to an amount but you know I was watching everything. 'cause it was an honor to be part of that and And I was one. That didn't go up to Pete. Actually I just thought that was a time for his teammates and family and You know I would hopefully catch up with them later in And congratulate them and so you know looking back I wish I had gone out to the mound. But here's Eric's just standing there on the mount and as you said you don't know how long this last he he was gonna take a seed some stay going doug how he did it right on the robber there. And that's out. You know unfortunate thing because he really took a lot of heat for that but I. I wish I would have gone out to mount so when that what do you remember about your your conversation with Pete. The next time it came to the plate you know he was one that talked a lot when he came up. Here But what he did do would Maybe was unsolicited was A picture that was taken that has me in the picture You know about to receive the ball in And Pete signed a dozen of those pictures that had sent over to the clubhouse to unite. Yeah that was nice you now here. I was a young kid and I grew up a reds fan. Buster as huge reg especially You know the big red machine Mason skip school. Go Watch them over in Tampa now so you know. I'm always a big bench. Rose Fan Joe Morgan. Pres- I love them. And and so you know that was a big deal for me that so You know I've seen a couple of times since that but You know but something we've talked about. Well let me ask you. I tried to explain to people all the time how within baseball pete was so revered For the way he played in and you know the way when after the attack the game every day during the course of his career What do you remember about how other players felt about him? And how do you feel about the question with him in the hall of fame? Yeah You know be was you know? He was just so well liked by every by the in in the game you know I in a way. He played Very poplar using. He was one that you know it was. If he was a hitting you know he was always talking baseball with somebody. I is how I saw. You know guided just loved the game. Had you know there's tons of energy and so A very popular now. You talked about the hall of fame you know. That's that's going to be. Yeah personally I look a guy who who you know were to The best players in the game. There's a lot of them are not in me look. There's a lot of them. That's not in the hall of fame and you know what Pete did Yell that was that was considered the role the biggest role at that at that time in the Veterans Committee. There I mean they you know. His appears his Guys he played with you know they're they're not vote a man and I respect them for for what they want to do is how I look at it. And it's not my call You know I I just believe that If it's GonNa Happen at the be voted on by his parents and right now they don't believe it. So I respect that one appearance in the world series for you and you gotTa hit you. GotTa thousand batting average in the world series. What remember about that man all the one thing I remember how bad I wanted to get in there. I'll put get an apparent final game of that series in In you know Detroit may have made taking a pretty good lead. You know Gibson hit the home. Run off a goose air and and dig. Yeah you know. He wasn't known for being a compassionate man. He was very very tough minded manager that You know he made. There is all different side because I was with them all the time but you know in his harding found a way to get them in there now forever appreciate that and I I was nervous. This could be I as I went up there My First Pitch I kid about this. I hit a ball around buster and I hit seven hundred and fourteen. Those I tell everybody who's about fifteen P. Paolina as off Willie Hernandez won the CY young that year and then they ended up getting a line drive base it. Alan Trammell Dove and try to catch on the back end side and I kidded Allen when I hired him as a coach. You know you're here because you didn't catch that ball. Just want you to know that. So anyway I I get hit and I I don't get along enjoy it though because You know big way to get somebody else in the game to make an appearance around. Reynecke pinch ran for me in you know. I think that the poor run game at that point and it wasn't like that run was important but he found a spot there to get Ronnie in which I was happy for him. And so you know as short-lived as far as my enjoying my time on the field but Yeah it's a moment I'll never forget you. Did you get the baseball that was kind of before that became a regular routine of getting the baseball's yeah no? I I didn't get it I didn't get it Who KNOWS I I don't know it probably would stayed in the game. That's the way it was back then but I never thought about getting it either but you know Cherry Been Nice to have gotten it. What a store. You got Later on when you became manager of the Padres of course the the best player on your team at that time was Tony Gwynn. What's a story? You like to tell friends about Tony. Gwynn you know just beside you. Know is is his talent You know where he meant for me. in my purse. You're managing Tony night play together And so we became pretty. Good friends. We both live in power away. The you know at one point he. Fishing was his passion. That's that's one of mine and So we had done some bass fishing together and then we golfed and so you know we were so are pretty good. Friends played cards and so now. I'm become a manager NASLUND different. He's he's going to be one of my players But unfortunately Gino and we had that strike in ninety four and that carried in the ninety five which was my first year managing so my first year mansion. I've got replacement players and I am not comfortable doing this and Rainy Smith who hired me He helped me out and he said. Listen if you think. One of the coaches should do most of workouts You know you know. Let them do it. I get it because I didn't lose credibility Yeah with my players when this thing when that stripe is over so Tim flannery he picked me up there and he ran most of the spring training to be honest and and so when it ended Strike and we get the season going again. Tony was the one that you know really helped me. As far as saint just on the players less I know bocce. He knows the game. He knows what he's doing a help you know give me. Credibility as locker was right beside my office. Era The old Jack Murkier or qualcomm and And so you know. That's that's what I'll never forget 'cause I think there were at that time two or three players they they kinda cold for. You. 'cause you were supposedly working with these replacement players but You know he He really picked me up there. But you know there were times when we talked about As teammates yeah he. He'd go. He just knew what pitch he was going to get. He would tell you in the dugout. He's GonNa turn slider here and I'm GonNa do this with. He would do it. You know I'm GonNa hit that pie hole because you know he's GonNa he's GonNa keep throwing me away I it's just incredible at this guy could do with the bat and he made me think about him. Boches is that with all the batting titles You know that he won. It still felt like in the midst of his career. He got better because I think based on conversation you had with Ted Williams. He really learned to look for situations. Drive the ball. Oh no question and you're right it them that you know Ted. Call them out. Basically I still remember You know that evening John. Moores is house He had Ted Williams over and in fact had the first time he saw Mesa. I hear you like to fish. And he says What kind of flies are you Do you Tie The ted. I don't five if you don't fly fish but you don't fish in. I mean he just so intimidating and he was the same way with Tony about hitting and And he got on Tony about you know not hidden inside pitch and doing damage with. Because that's when you make your living you know you should be hitting the ball over to five. I five five whole Tony. You're great hitter and You know anybody can do that. But you know but you can hit the ball out of the park and you should start looking at drive that pitch and And it changed Tony and But it didn't take away his average either it just Tony Woods. He's just one of those players is great players. You know they just feel like they never have a ripe wonder it'd be better and that was Tony. He was so driven. Be The best hitter can be and he worked on that inside pitch to where became natural. They throw it in there. He he would turn on it and started hitting home runs and driving the ball and was a better hitter in And I you know he's probably looking back going. You know what it's like. What did done that earlier in my career probably would have three four three four hundred home runs. What do you remember about his relationship? Tony's relationship with Barry Bonds someone who you at the at the end of Berry's career you got to manage because it always. Those two guys had such a special relationship. It almost felt like a little bit. You know the way that you'd hear about Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and it was that way exactly like that goes through is such a tremendous respect for each other. You know what they had accomplished into game in Completely different Hitters and completely different philosophy which amazes me You know 'cause I as I I managed bury my first year and Tony was the guy you know he. He really believed that. You know the bottom hand underneath not the KNOB leading the way and Berry Woods. He talked about a top in catching the ball. He Tickets Tom. Pan On the bad. Until I aims. Amazing I look into it a bit sitters in our era and And they had different philosophies and they were different type of hitters so that played a part in that but now they just always talked hitting always got together. Talk Baseball It was EMC two of the greatest that Tremendous respect like You know bird and magic and guys like that. Tony always love to tell the story about how during batting practice one day bonds came out while the padres are taken BP and and badges riding him about his bat which you referred to you know the PEA shooter because it was so small and he said very grabbed it out of his hands during one round and then proceeded to hit about eleven straight balls is of course bury a left-handed hitter into the left-field stands in and just flip the bat away like throwing a toothpick away. Amazing Amazing Guy. Wait what he could do. you know. There were times in Neo because he knew I had Tony in spring training. Goes you know I can be what Tony does you see pie hole and he would just hit ball after ball right there in that whole I remember one time. You gotta go go. Mvp was you know hidden and triples alley there in San Francisco and And he was complaining about how deep it is. They're very you're you're you're stupid evening doing that. Why why are you doing that? This what you want to do and Berry would take it and just flip it in the Senate over the trail. Nine downright till nine. So you know you're looking guy that's all time home run leader but also had just incredible back control. It things he could do with it and in back when he He tied the record I still remember he knew clay. Hensley was gonNA throw the ball away on those sinkers away. It was in San Diego and to BP that guy was thrown BP extra two day in and my ball had a little run to it as white throat because it would be similar to Clays and sure enough you know. He played zone terminent sinker. Way might take it out to the field and he did so. I wanted there a million Madison bumgarner stories Tell me your favorite one that you like to tell people about Madison. Where my favorite Well I am positive for a second. 'cause I can't tell my favorites bear hunting trip. I swear to secrecy on that. And hopefully he'll let me tell it when when day but On the baseball side my favorite of course two thousand fourteen and Incredible run that And that he had personally You know between the wildcard game and of course what he did in game seven but it was after game five. Just shut up the royals and I had switched it a little bit because I just felt like we had to go and Kansas City up against down a game so because I was taking some heat for not pitching them in Game. Four and then Starting game seven and but Abolhassan start game four against their fifth starter. I wanted mom. Garner Pitkin chills. Anyway short ends up He shuts out Shuts out the royals. And you. You know now. We're going to Kansas City where three to work game away from you. Know being a world series champions and and Guys are you know they're to pack. 'cause WE GOTTA GO TO KC GUMS in my office. He goes you know. I just WanNa tell you if you want to win this thing you're GonNa put me out there you're GonNa start me and it's a start you win. He goes after his day off. He met game six. It's I'm not starting one day's rest. He goes on to win this thing anyway. We're starting game sits six. We wouldn't say Save Them for game seven in the pen you know. He'd be the guy that we go to as a long guy in And I said WELL NEAL I. We haven't set you know. Set to pitch in game seven right now. It's Hudson and he and Hoodie. Were very close. They really became Not just good teammates but very good friends and he looked at me so now. Now you gotTa Start Hardy I. I want him to start his gang. But you have me ready. You want to win this thing. Of course you know what happened there. So it's as Just the guy that had his maniacal focus on winning the world series when he was going to hold back on its feelings no he pits twice as many innings more than twice as many innings than any other pitcher in that postseason on any team and yet I think he told me one point that after you guys win game seven It is one of the most amazing postseason in baseball history. He finally acknowledged that he was tired. Yeah yeah he owned to well. Of course everybody was because emotionally. You're tired mentally. I mean it's just you talking about every pitch every play on the line and And of course with him you know we. It's not like we gave cushioning pitching with one run lead and of course what happened in the ninth inning You know with the two hour triple when he still has to get one more out because I could see a warming up but I I all I remember when he came in after the seventy eighth inning. I wasn't a look at them because I didn't want to look me and say I am because he you know he was our horse in about so well but Yeah he he finally owned up to it. But you know what I I'll say to me. It's the greatest pitching performance and postseason Because you know it hasn't been that long since we've had had you know we've had two extra games a wildcard and an extra postseason games. No-one's pitch at pitches many endings. Jake peavy is a great storyteller and he told me a great story about Bumgarner new that I've never asked you about and I want to But I I want to check it. Check it out with you He said that the the reason why you want two thousand fourteen the world series. He said there was a moment in the dugout. You guys are playing the dodgers late in the season. He's losing his act cranky toodle one and his spot in the lineup is coming up in the eighth inning and according to Jake he said you know you go. You basically let them know you're going to pinch hit for him. And he's lobbying he wants to bat because he loves to hit. He's down Iran. It's a big game against the dodgers and you're saying this is according to Jake. You're saying I know I know and then Madison. After hearing that a couple of times goes you a talking to me like you know and then you let him hit that. Stake story what What do you remember about that close? I mean it was close You're probably embellish that just a hair but that's J. Cuts. You know what it was a situation where he was her best and I thought he He earned that right to hit. But originally I was not gonNa let him hit Because I want to look after them too. I mean it worked hard but he was one of our biggest threats and And that's what I I I remember that really Made up my mind but you know what this go bomb because he he deserved it and he was one of our best threats he was one of our best clutch hitters. I'm telling you this guy. When you need a big hit or even a homerun. Somehow he came through for you impact. I my kid all the time now because you know he's not not the hitter he was because he's trying to see how far but that time he he knew how to sit on the pitch and So anyway yeah he yeah he was. We're going back at it back at each other a little bit. But I had made up my mind a he's GonNa hit and I told rags out in I said he's GonNa hit but I'm GonNa have some fun with this. Tell me your favorite first time you laid eyes on Lintz come and whether or not it was there any party. You is You know somebody who's been in baseball longtime wondering if that was gonna work that unusual delivery well. I bus started first time. I saw two thousand seven which was my first year San Francisco. I still remember Spring training I mean it. Was you know a lot different You know because I had some years in San Diego. The giants were team that we had to be and that was after the first meeting. That you have with your team and So yeah I'm heading out to the field. I'm with Dave Righetti and And they've goes rags goes. Hey by the way there's your number one pick and I look over and it's I mean scrawny looking Guy is getting ready to play catch. And I'm like you're kidding me. I just can't imagine one hundred fifty pound or being a number one pick and at first ball. I still remember he threw was like it was ninety miles an hour and he just had his whip thome and So wow yeah and you know this guy. Looks like he's got pretty good stuff and then of course he pitched. It was most incredible thing. As far as the pitch I'd ever seen was And that's why at nicknamed the free. It's out freakish. It was because of its unique delivery and it was like a weapon his arm and arm. But you know just just came along for the ride and And I knew then. That's what this this guy's different. This guy is He's going to be special sure. Not You know forty years already know you're here. He is a PHYCHI force and It's it's one. He's one of the most amazing pictures I've ever had. That's good much but just you know just. His style is way never ice to never took a lot of time up and the only thing about ten thousand twelve you know Steph was starting to go down a little bit And I still remember going up to them in the weight room and I'm walking up to him says to me you know we're as we're going into the playoffs. I said you know I just think if we could get you to help us out in the bullpen. We have the best chance to win. This thing he without hesitating just looked at me and goes. Hey you think this you know. This is the best way to win it. Let's do it. I I'm ready for it. And when he pitched out of the pen and I'm getting lowering it here but the first game he's come in and pitch. I mean this guy didn't get out. We saw get timmy up. And he was sitting in the dugout and I look up I go. Where's timmy? In Iraq. I told them I start getting ready. Timmy didn't understand it. It was for that inning not put an x. any wow you know. He didn't take to get up so he got up and threw. Maybe four or five pitches you sitting was good and went out there and just Dell and He was similar. You Know Trevor Hoffman. You know he he. To seven or eight pitches. He was ready to go. That's amazing for someone who's been a starter as long as he was much. I've never asked. You you and I've had a lot of conversations and I think your voice was an important one To make the change with the catch Home Plate. Collision rules with catchers That of course after buster. Posey at lake shattered with that play at home plate. Scott Cousins Barrels into him and the change came after that year. I've never asked you about what that night was like for you. afterward And you know having been a catchy yourself and seeing what buster went through. Well I I'LL PREFACE. Is You know for Persona? Really get a feel of what what that is Getting hit again you. Yeah you need to be back there and just realize how vulnerable catcher is and they went. Buster Guy Hits you know. I just remember jogging out there. Man Just praying that You know this this was bad you know he just Kinda got bell wrong and once I got out there and it's all the painting was in I I knew there was damage on this one and You know I thought it was me. Initially in End Up being his ankle but the oid just brought back a memory as as I'm standing up there with them and I'll go back to La when Gary Bennet got hit he got hit by Jordan Brian Jordan who is a football player and I thought he killed him. I mean Bennett was out. He was laying on the ground in You know these players you get attached to it. I mean they're they're like your kids and I just I just said that sick feeling my stomach and And then back out there with buster. I just said you know I much longer. Or are we gonNa let this happen? I mean it's GonNa be a matter of time before we carry somebody off from stretch here and And He's in a wheelchair recipes life or something. Yeah this is crazy and you just stopped protected and And I know there's most guys you know not not buying into it but these guys are bigger and faster and and and of course you know for a while it was a case where that was the target not scoring but hitting the catcher and that was the case with -Buster and zebras way. Lame Front home play wasn't blocking the plate. And so that feeling you know I just didn't want to have it again so you know I I was part of Trying to get to this rule change. Mike played a big role in this and that and I feel good about it. Being changed at you know not on my watch. I didn't have to see somebody had their neck broken or something because it was going to happen. It's just matter time and one one final question for you. I don't think now you know busters had an amazing career. He's got some years ahead of as we move forward as well. Maybe someday he's going to get an audit of the hall of fame and be on the back Porch Iota Saga with you. But I also I think people don't realize that there was a time there after that injury where there was some real question about whether or not his career was going to be in jeopardy. Oh there was. I thought you know this is probably a fifty fifty deal whether he would be able to catch again. This is bad this injury. How devastating injury was digression? Our our trainer he still are trained. Her with the giants Just incredible job on on his Rehab and Me It took a long time to the next year. You know we had to watch early And take care of them but You know for him to bounce back way he did and and not just bounce back but played in. You know the type of baseball that he did. Help Helpers win a couple more world series says about a lot about him his His driving his work ethic To get themselves back to declare that he was and you know you when you experience the loss of you know your best player buster was i. I'll go back to bitching. Trevor Hoffman. When you're in San Diego where he was out for the year You see what life is like it. It was not having a Bus running that staff and being on that club and and nobody impacted Our team more than Buster and so. It's really incredible. I think how long he's played And the fact that doesn't bother him as much occasionally will For example in Arizona sometimes around home plate it's packed it's really hard to. Sun bakes it and And that will aggravate it a little bit. But an he's he's doing well. I appreciate your time. I always love talking with you on bragging about how you were such a great shooter. Especially twelve to fifteen feet when we played together. Yeah you got a little pumped here. I got a WHO brought outside. I shoot a little bit now. I gotTA get some exercise any bike. Here's Tim Coaches Daily Baseball. Fix and it's built around someone we were talking about earlier in the podcast on this date in one thousand nine hundred seventy four hank. Aaron hit home. Run Number Seven fifteen before the game. Braves relievers all chose locations in the ball and they wanted stand. It hopes thing when catch historic homerun number seven fifteen. It was based on seniority. Tom House was very young reliever so he ended up way out in left center field. But as soon as hey Tom House oh my goodness this is GonNa hit me right in the chest. He said I didn't even have to move after he caught it. He ran the ball into home plate and presented to hang who was in tears. Tom House told me I'd never seen Garin cry. Enfold all the pressure was off. All the stress was off. Took are really strong man to hit more home runs than Babe. Ruth bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for Wednesday Justin Simmons at Justin Land. Sim One writes in your interview with BG the other day. Got Me thinking what have been. The most significant position changes in baseball history. Other than Babe. Ruth moving from pitcher to everyday outfielder. Well I'm kind of cheating and they're and they're definitely a lot that have taken place Dale Murphy I think moving from Catcher to the outfield. That helped him another one that I thought it was ricky and kill you know and more recent time having developing the hips as a pitcher and becoming a good major league. Outfielder an excellent defensive outfielder. I say go back and tell her. I don't think you're going to remember this guy. But smokey Joe would. Have you ever heard the name? Nope not at all okay. He was an excellent pitcher like a century ago and then he wound up being a pretty good outfielder as well. Right in the same era where Babe Ruth played so I you know those are names off the top of my head without one smoky. Joe Wood. What a great name. Incredible name and Regain Keel. Obviously my baseball knowledge has been completely exposed in this podcast but his position change is when I was growing up like an incredible sports store that I remember you know talking to my friends when we were young like how crazy it was that he would do that and he would be successful at the same time so definitely notable name there Brian Simpson. He's got two questions for us at twelve. Oh to seventy four. His first one he writes in watching re watching the ninety one world series with my eight and six year old sons. They have a question for you. Do you think Lonnie Smith's base running costs the braves the world series when he didn't score from first on the double by Terry Pendleton. I'm not ready. Say Cost Him the world series but it was definitely a pivotal moment in that world series. I don't know if you've seen video that Taylor. But he yeah he messed up. He misread the play and he could scored on that play. He didn't and it would turn out to be potentially decisive in terms of the braves. Not getting a run. They needed. Second one from Brian he writes in. I didn't know Al K-line's nickname was Mr Tiger very similar to our guy. Tony Gwynn as Mr Padre. Are there any other players? That some of their franchise or their city in quite this way. I was trying to think of people who actually got that nickname. You know Mister so-and-so's from their team and I couldn't think of another one. But here's some some guys in. I'm curious to hear from fans about whether or not they feel like that. These would be appropriate candidates. Mr Mariner Edgar Martinez no question. Mr Philly I actually go with Larry Bowa because he's been around. That franchise is a player as a manager as a coach for so long and he really embodies the spirit of that team Mister Cardinal Red. Shane see was around that team for long time as a player manager coach. Mr Red Sox I go Johnny Pesky who was someone who had decades and decades decades with that team and Mr Diamondback Louis Gonzalez. Who GOT THE WALK OFF? Hit in game seven of the two thousand one world series and continues to work with the diamondbacks and in fact. I expect at some point. We're getting getting an opportunity to talk with Louis about his memories from that. Two Thousand One World Series. Very Good. That is it for Bleacher tweets for today. Hashtag bleacher tweets on twitter. And please subscribe review podcast. Wherever you enjoy your podcasts. My thanks today to Bruce Bochy to Hembo to tell Schwenk have a great day. Everybody thanks for listening and stay safe. Thanks for listening to baseball tonight. Podcast if you're playing fantasy baseball forget to listen to the fantasy focus podcast checkout all PODCASTS AT ESPN DOT COM. Slash pod separate baseball tonight. 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Episode Twenty-Five: Billy Ray Cyrus

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Episode Twenty-Five: Billy Ray Cyrus

"Hello I'm Dan Le Batard and we just got done talking to billy Ray Cyrus. This is fresh. Billy Gills seems disoriented confused. What would you tell the people about what they're about to listen to old town? Road is like the biggest song in the history of songs. It's crazy. How this thing is being downloaded number one for fifteen weeks? It is diamond status Addis. I didn't know there was such a thing as a diamond status. It's the biggest song in the world since candle in the win by Elton John and we just talked to billy ray Cyrus who's having another moment thirty years after having his last moment and he's a little bit passionate a little bit unreasonably passionate and Billy Gil. I was talking about billy Ray Cyrus there but billy Gil was in on this and you were just laughing at me. The entire disoriented we went all over the place we talked about a bunch of things and we talked about baseball. Then we talk about something else in and we get back to baseball. I was trying to talk to him about music and he's had an unusual journey. I mean he basically started the line dancing craze with achey break you heart at the start of the nineties and then next thing you know he's with laws ex and he just was insistent about talking about Pete rose. He didn't WanNa talk about baseball billy. That's not true. He wanted to talk about only pete rose. You tried to talk to him about baseball. That conversation didn't go well well. He has his eyes laser focused on getting pete grows into the hall of fame and that is all that we're going to do with baseball and you know what he even told us he had his mother film and video to get bureaus in hall of fame. He didn't play that video for US unfortunately so you're gonNA miss that but we're trying to negotiate with him to get that video because we feel like that is what's going to put it over the top and get him in the hall and you believe that this is the start of a movement right here with billy ray Cyrus using the power of the number one song in America in the world the number one song in the world using the power of that to get pete rose at seventy eight years old into the hall of fame. Whether I believe that or not is kind of irrelevant really ray Cyrus definitely believes that this is the start of a movement okay and we're here for that movement. We are here to support that movement so we ask you to support the stuff. We've got going on one of those things. Things is the lebatardshow AF dot shop that we're asking you to go to its place where you could get some merch from us and we will be expanding that in coming weeks and months Libertad AF dot shop but here he is Old Town road number one for for fifteen weeks. Here's billy sirens. I didn't know there was a diamond status for a song but this is basically the biggest song we've seen in America since Elton John Nineteen ninety-seven this is the biggest song that we have seen this century old town road number one for fifteen weeks remains the number one song in the world and billy ray Cyrus is with us now to talk about <hes> an uncommon song at this time in your career billy ray. If I'd gone back to Achey break your heart and told you in two thousand nineteen you're going to have a song that is going to bust all the songs. You would have thought that was possible. I'm not sure you even allowed in nineteen ninety two. I remember Achey breaky heart. I do remember that I remember that album was enormous. How where were you and how old were you in nineteen ninety two? I was born in Sixty eight so I was twenty four like I saw how that kicked off line dancing dancing. I saw how country bars went from not having line dance into having line dancing because of that damn song it was pretty crazy man in a lot of ways shares common denominator with hotel road. It's it's a movement. It's something that people people universally latched onto that just felt good and people could sing along and have UNISOM with one another celebration of song and dance and that happens every now and then it's really special. I somehow just got lucky enough to get to ride two of them and it's just an unbelievable feeling. This thing with town. Road is just blowing my mind right now. I'm you know started the whole Pete Rose Movement last week really just it was fourteen fourteen weeks at number one man and I saw this picture of Pete rose with at one finger up and I go wow man I remember what Pete Rose meant to me and that Tri State area and Major League Baseball and and that's why when I put that picture up and said number fourteen change you know possibly the fourteen and and I think even said Pete Rose deserves being the Major League Baseball Hall of fame that kind of began this moment of you and I talking and getting together today. What is your connection to that team? How old were you with with the concepcion? Joe Morgan Johnny Bench Tony Peres reds. How old were you when you were locked in on them and Sparky Anderson as the coach you know and you're probably talking like absolute? Glory days was like nineteen seventy five and so I was born in sixty one so I mean there again at that time. I'm playing second base as eleven year old on a twelve year old all star team. I loved baseball. I love the game of baseball I loved playing baseball and that's why I come at this. Whole Pete Rose Bang as a guy that loves the sport a baseball? I'm a baseball fan. I was more likely to be the Catcher for the Cincinnati reds or the Los Angeles dodgers then be lefthanded singer-songwriter. I was supposed to be Johnny Bench and <hes> as eleven year old they put me at second base and I love it that year out in my head. That's what I was. I played Pete Rose and <hes> he always made that's why they call them. Charlie Hustle he'd made up for everything he cool out of God given talent and then he'd go the extra mile with a dive and some type of incredible save or run head on into the feds heads and come out hold that ball up and if my memory serves me quick one time he came out of there instead of tooth out I mean it's like see stuff and I can see sparky Anderson coming off third base and turn into it. I'm tire L. A.. Bad call like people love the coach. I'll say that about Tommy. LASORDA WHO's become a dear friend. I Love Tommy Lasorda a great deal. He actually let me <hes> become a catcher for the dodgers. One day in nineteen eighteen ninety three and Mike Piazza was to catcher and I put on his gear and used his glove and got behind the plate at Dodger Stadium and and it was just an absolute dream come true but it was eleven years before yeah I was being scouted by the dodgers to play for the dodgers so it was ten years of this moment where I said I'm supposed to be a singer songwriter and this is my purpose in somehow you know God will give me the wisdom vision to use my purpose to represent the things like in positively and that's what I've been praying for it and and just being in this moment now even speaking with you speaking with your audience I caught the show this morning and I gotTa tell you were bang on about that tennis mismatch and it was be best team mismatch in the history of tennis and I have the One and only unfortunate you make story that I was on a flat taking off out of L._A._X.. And counting on their satellite. Ettelaat and by the time there in overtime overtime my cell ambitious cutting in and out and I'm Sitting Watch that airplane Mitch knowing that I missing the greatest plays ever made in this both players lawyers deserve to be applauded that was a real show yesterday and the sportsmanship and the rise above the norm mentality was to be appreciated. How did you become a performer? What drew you to performing again? It was something about eighty dollars raised where I was raised my mom and dad my mom pep all day. I'll play music. There was always music. My Dad had Gospel Quartet. Harmony was a big part of that quartet. It was four piece harmonies and that's what always loved and still love to this day is doing harmonies for song you know and that's why Todo town road I said man. He don't leave me to write a burst back thing I could. I'll go do harmony or something for him but that's all a hit. He don't make me me to do anything. What are the specifics of how you to came together? Well believe it or not little no sex was so ahead of the game without a record company and without millions of dollars he stepped hip down into the forefront with tick tock and this interaction between the people the people get to become the song and that's little las all the early on with this thing <hes> before the give us over last year and he tweeted you. Can Anybody help me get this song to billy Ray Cyrus. I didn't know that he had sent that tweet and I didn't hear the song until March fourteenth of this year so basically three months went by since he tweeted at up but I didn't know about it and then on the fourteenth of March. I got a message that this young man for Atlanta one to hear you song and join him on a record and something about distract me that I should listen to and when I listened to soon as I just hit play right there and they'd seen it and I hit the M._p.. Three of it and played all I may was I love it and it just felt so good. I play by ear I don't. I don't have musical training so I just play what I feel something about. It felt really good well. I remember thinking when I heard them. I was Anki breaking heart something about it felt really good house. Man is still there's something about this feels good and so in retrospect something just going with my instincts and feeling looking for something that felt like it was special again old town road number one for fifteen weeks. It remains the number one song in the world. How often billy ray do you get that feeling? Does that happen a lot where you're like. Wow this feels so good. I know I've got the ear for something here. This is GonNa Catch Dan. I wish I knew the answer to that but it's like everything in life to be all just like baseball. Let's go back to baseball. Life is like baseball before you can ever get hit. You gotTa step up to the it's like and then used to up to the plate. He got swing and you just gotTa swing and you just gotTa swing and You keep swinging. Trust me. I swang many more balls that I miss than the ones I hit certainly in his pursuit this dream of music as they were way more failures bank successes. Unfortunately it's actually very tragic you know but <hes> that being said that this given moment I speak to you from my home and Singing Hills Sales Tennessee and I'm upstairs in studio up here but where I've written for the years and I look back and that album from nineteen ninety two there used to be these things called the C._D.'s remember C._d.'s right after cassette and I'm back in them days when a record would go platinum men double and triple they're not Saddam and they give you a record leading up to ten so I'd end up being pretty huge plaque and I happen to be speaking to you now. Look at these this this album from nineteen ninety two as all these plaques leading up to this big and then it's got the <hes> nine for nine million in the United States in the year of Nineteen Ninety two remember I started that year out in a Chevy bread that I called called my home like I was down to like the last try of of of doing this thinking man. Maybe there's just ain't gonNA happen but for that being said it is for all the dreamers out there remember. It's persistent. Just keep swinging. Just keep stepping up to the plate. Just stay focused. You bound to get a hit but you gotta keep slamming and if you get knocked down again let's back. The Pete rose fee Rostami. That's when you get knocked. Now you get back up. You're living in a Chevy Baretta. That's literal. You're saying you're living in it. I played at that point. I had like three to four to five little jobs that I played up around Appalachian Eastern Kentucky Southern West Virginia Ohio how Virginia Myrtle beach <hes> Atlanta. I was also going through a divorce and so at that time period I lost my home back that song. Where am I going live? When I get home off of the album some gave all see will happen with that album as it was succession of five singles that came up that album with achey breaking heart leading it off but each one of those songs just kept pumping that album and with another hit three of those songs long wrote during one week of nineteen eighty nine the second one was where my lives when I get home and then on the next night I wrote she's not crying anymore and then I two nights went but I didn't write anything and then on Sunday night? I made a Vietnam veteran that I've ever met in this Barton Huntington West Virginia before on jogging home at night. I wrote a song about him called all gave some and some gay ball and that song ended up being not only the song that was my last pitch to throw was to go play some gay ball and somebody finally said yes after ten years of being told no and that became a cornerstone of Achey break your heart mark. She's not crying anymore. The album some gave all and talking to you now today three decades later three decades later this. Oh man gets to talk to you today. Who I happen to be a fan of the show so it's fun to talk to you and your team uh-huh all your all your players man? Everybody throws out their ideas and thoughts. It's a really great show. Thank you sir well billy. I'm glad you said that because billy has been trying to get in here on the baseball questions I wanNA keep asking you about music and I wanNA keep asking you about your life but billy is obsessed with your baseball takes ago head billy. What did YOU WANNA ask? Here's the thing Billy Ray Hi Bill Gates Billy go. Here's the thing he keeps using these baseball analogies. You got to step up to the plate and eventually you'll get a hate but then I'm concerned about the way baseball is changing aging with the shifts and I feel like maybe now like before you'd be able to go to hit but now you can't get ahead because they moved everybody to one side of the field and I'm Kinda wondering how you feel about the shift my and I've been so busy keeping up with tallow. I'll have not sure that I've felt the shift other than the spank of what baseball is to me. The definition of baseball is Pete rose and it's always about a team that rises above expectations exceeds to a world championship. Take that world championship to kid that grew up in flatwoods Kentucky nineteen seventy five. We need something to believe in here. Come the big red machine with superstars and real baseball players and. Uh I think it's just so great whatever that shift is. I'm a baseball fan so I love the game I think Moore's this would be the time for all of whatever shifting being forever to agree. There's room for forgiveness. I don't know anything that's so bad that especially in a world where you think back to that time period Pete Rose will be the I tell you he had on some games but they wasn't his game and that back days he must be only one that did that. It was a thing that that people from that era but he wasn't I using steroids or enhancements or any -chemicals he was pete rose out of God given talent. I think they such a healing process for baseball. If that just go ahead and site man this year we'll put and Pete rose in the whole thing go to God wants to ask you something to here now that we've got has only with Charlie Hustle. I'm wondering the ball's juiced pardon me the ball's juiced. What do you think we wants to talk about? Pete Rose and his love of Pete Rose and his campaign to get Pete Rose into the hall of same. He doesn't WanNa talk to you guys about shifts Jews ball I think we have we have passionate. Oh I got my hand race but y'all can't see me. I'm raising my hand can ask a question of course balls are June used. I'm talking about it. Ah It's a good question billion. Thank you for asking it. Basically what's happening is in baseball. There's so many home runs in the Commissioner of baseball is saying is because the baseball is a different kind of baseball. It's slick it goes out of the park easier so there's a record pace on the home runs and some people are suggesting it's because the ball is do stop totally man. You know what I see. I'm I'm just learning this now again. I'm not making excuses but I I got on a rocket ship ride about sixteen or seventeen weeks ago and it seems like everything's just been moving much man. Just smoke focused. You GotTa Play Your Game Right now. Play this thing out my N._S.. Getting interesting and then all of a sudden I mean as a competitor when you go away minute you mean sixteen weeks you tie the record and I'm sitting at fifteen weeks which means if this thing goes. One more were tied for the record. Can you explain to us the last four months in the end like yeah. I can tell you exactly in one sentence. I was sitting in front seat in my bus other not playing the fourth of July Roswell New Mexico and it was just staring at the winds and thinking I just flew in from England and landed ended here and just did this and but that time this great big bug just smack hit on into the windshield and I'll let the driver and said you know what the last thing about solid before he hits that windshield when he said no Blah I'd say the grass and then when I look back now and I looked like these last four months. It's Kinda like that bug man. It's been a blur. It's been a blur and get this moment again. Talking to you. Guys is a bit refreshing fishing for me for for just a second step away and think about and and just happened to watch that tennis match yesterday and I just thought it was so unbelievable I mean that is the definition of competition of sport of excellence. It was all there and we're all got the witness Lloyd Wright performance except like I said my most cutting in and out because of the satellite on the airplane Old Town road is number one for fifteen weeks remains the number one song in the world and Chevys Chevy's and Ford is being released this Friday. You guys got more baseball questions for Billy Wright. 'cause I WANNA talk to him about music and you guys keep asking baseball questions and he wants to talk about Pete rose. Do you have any pete rose questions for him to God's now i. I think I'm good. I think we can move onto the music portion. I think his his position on Charlie Hustle is pretty clear at this. That's right it is very clear so go back to what we were talking about what the Chevy Baretta and you were saying that you were close to quitting. Why were you close to quitting what was happening? There Man I was twenty nine and just about the hit thirty and it scared me a lot 'cause everybody that I went to school with was either deceased or get a job and like a real job and like was there allows were normal and I was leaving in that bar for five nights a week four cents an hour and just cheerfully live in a moment of the music that that moment was my reality and it is very similar now three decades later I had found myself all last year just in a moment to be honest therapy I said to myself man go back like ninety they want and just live the music and my motto then was leaning into the music leaning to the music and just live and lean into it and I spent the previous year and a half kind of doing that it all just Kinda came together in this moment of this spring ring and this summer talking with you guys today now thinking wait this record. I'm looking at goes to seven teen weeks but album some gave all holds the billboard top two hundred all genre has as they say chart billboard top two hundred number one week some gay ball seventeen weeks. There's a side of me. Trust me that goes wait a minute. If we can just get to sixteen been win that'd be great to end my whole career like if the record if the record could just go the seventeen and I could have the album at seventeen weeks at number one and the single at seventeen weeks at number one. I've traveled shoot. I retire that not at midnight. You're a good time for me twice every al so only really you. You're going to get if you get to more weeks at number one. If Old Town road gets to more weeks at number one billy ray Cyrus might retire like Michael Jordan top Michael Jordan ended up going back. I gotta be honest. I sure to sound like a big light ago. I have to say that it makes me smile to think about it and it would be an interesting thought going back to baseball one pitch at a time. You always good as Alaskan right now. I just got focus on step by step. I got my hand up could ask why you can't see me but I got a hand up. As a question of you okay <hes> did federal choke still Roger Roger Roger Federer choky anyway see the couldn't see the big epic madge because he was on a flight billy Wright Forty fifteen with the <hes> the match on his racket. He's got to set points and he couldn't get it done. It was a he's the greatest tennis player ever but even the greatest joke from time to time. I WanNa talk to them but music okay but let me answer his question. He was plotting already. They do tan so let me answer and I'm GonNa say the truth is the truth. I didn't know what happened until this morning that I had made it to my destination and had the T._v. on drinking a cup of coffee. Alesana come back to Earth and was watching your show and you all cut me up to speed. I didn't get to see it and so you all cut me up and it was that moment of going while my I'll have to tell these guys later today that they told made the moral of the story of how this thing ended because I watched the show this morning I loved the show plus knowing that we're GonNa talk. I want to see where you always at your lives right now. Well thank you billy for catching up with US old town road number one for fifteen weeks remains remains the number one song in the world. There is the possibility that he will retire in two weeks if you get him to number one for seventeen straight weeks Chevy's end Ford is being released this Friday billy ray good catching up with you. Thank you for making the time for a Sir all right guys appreciate the <hes> the show anybody that wants to join us at <hes> Pete Rose and Pete Rose deserves to be an hall of fame celebrate the power of the people. It's not about the critics and that that now they'll town rose. Even the power of the people could be strong could be harnessed of everybody just saying hey. This is a good thing. Forgiveness is a good thing. Let's put Pete Rose in the hall of fame now he's seventy eight years old and like the he deserves to be in this happened happen now and thank you for taking the time to shed a lot on Pete. Does Miley agree with you on Pete rose just out of curiosity. You know what let me tell you. Who Does I got it on them? I was going to release it if we talked to today because I put a camera on my mom who seventy eight and my mother-in-law who's eighty three and most of them gave testimonials to how much the big red machine meant to all of us growing up backing Ohio River River valley and I thought man is Major League Baseball holidays but these two women are saying hey we wanna see pete rose in the hall of fame for something happens. I thought that was pretty powerful stuff so <music> anyway molly. I'll have to ask her. We've not had become per se but I'll tell you if you ask my way about Pete rose. You know what she would say. Is He. The one that in my Daddy's book you Billy Hart is He. The one MM custody daddy at the car lot up the national in Kentucky and Molly would say yes that was pete rose when I was a kid miley loves the story. It's true now leave you with this. Pete rose actually gave me a little cuffing up there. He was doing autographs and National Kentucky. I went through the live like three times and on the third time he looked at me and how many Damn Times you're gonNA come through this line sign about that time my mom jerk me by the caller is smack meal the bag the head Xi Yang the line. She turned pete rose. Don't you cuss my boy they. She taught me again slowing me in this Ford Falcon that was parked out when we drove off and molly would tell you Pete Rose who won that cuss my bad out when he was a little boy the filled with forgiveness. Do you WANNA leave a message. We gotta get you out of here. Because I know you gotta go. You're very busy <hes> but pete rose. We've been calling in throughout this segment because we wanted to surprise you at the end with Pete Rose and we've just been told that <hes> we missed him. So do you WANNA leave a message if we send to him something that you wanted to say. Here's what I wanted to say. Hold on a second. We're GONNA okay make the phone call for you. <TONE> <MUSIC> MR call I will get back with you as soon as possible. Thank you and have a great day at the town. Please record your message. Mr Pete Rose this bill grey showers and I I know you're on an airplane right now and I'm praying for your safe travels. This is no hurry whatsoever but <hes> I had seen that you had the show a call today that your flight got moved and I wanted you to know I'm and so looking forward to stay with you and just telling you <hes> how much you've meant to all of US backing Ohio River valley my mom mother-in-law's made messages for you like we just love you wanted to know and I and I look forward to <hes> speaking with you but most importantly have safe travels today and looking forward to the future and thank you for the part of the fourteen man. Thank you so much inspiration. God bless you travel safe Sir Billy. Thank you so much for being on with us. We really do appreciate your time and we will get behind the Pete rose cause. Yes we will billy one. Last requests may be before you go. We gotta let him go right here but me you you Dan and Miley next week. Talking Pete rose couple inches cutting it. Can we make that happen. Yes yes yeah because back from my old car salesman days. I know that you don't sell the car on the first day that it's about the follow up. It's about the follow and it was the same with the regular business. It's about the follow up probably be the same with Pete rose in hall of fame. We'll have to follow this up and next week is a good follow up all right man. I'll try to get I'll China but I'll tell you what I really wanted to. I'm thinking I'm gonNA come down up. I'll do some national. I've seen for my supper if they'll put pete rose in the hall of fame I'll show up wherever major league baseball needs. They need to know town road national anthem. Let me know I'll sing for this. L. Worked for this and I saw your opening shot is down there out of Miami right so I'm hoping to come. Why didn't Y'all come after rolling loud man that was one of the coolest festivals and and that's when I moved something crazy what's happening my world when I looked up and I was coming out at row them loud in Miami and it was unbelievable? We're any of you there now. You didn't invite us. They didn't have time to put against again. Thank visit we'll work at all but let's start next week with me. You miley Dan and then listen the Pete rose thing will pick up steam. We get Miley be fine. Let's get everybody behind. We will figure out a way to put you guys together so we could get some momentum behind this <hes>. Thank you again being on with US happy to have gone. Thank you guys. I feel something really good. It's coming from today and I hope we speak next week and I hope Pete Rose Online with us man. Let's keep this. She's got I I like it already all right all right you hope he rose online and we hope Miley is knocking off. Dan Miley do a lot of good. She would you get a lot of people behind this for Billy Ray. It's important Gordon you know what and she loves. Baseball and Mohan loves baseball. All my family loves baseball and that's what baseball really in the glory days of the big red machine. It was about family. Well like you said there's been a little shakeup up. Somebody's got the ball's juiced. Let's go back to billy good talking to your family and forgiveness this appreciate billy and Stu gods here throwing a bunch of firecrackers at Billy Ray Cyrus. We're going to throw a change up next week. John Herschel is a former offensive linemen in the N._F._l.. And now he is a rising mathematical star. I've been wanting to talk to this guy for a while. He's a bit of of a Beautiful Mind and he thinks unusually and the choices he's made since footballer interesting so we'll talk to John Herschel next week. We're also reminding you. lebatardshow AF dot shop is where we'd like you to go if you want some merged rep the show.

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"Book Talk" Guest Kostya Kennedy Author "Pete Rose An American Dilemma"

Doug Miles Media

18:47 min | 1 d ago

"Book Talk" Guest Kostya Kennedy Author "Pete Rose An American Dilemma"

"Wanna get right to our first guest of looking forward to having him on had a chance to read his book which is already a bestseller called. Pete rose an american dilemma joined today by the assistant editor of sports. The great writer and he joins us by telephone from new york. Kostya kennedy tonight and cost you. Thanks for joining us. How are you great to be with you. Good to have a chance to chat with you. Heard you on with us today Talking about the book in. And i had a chance to read through it and actually had a chance to see pete that you talk about it in the book i was out in las vegas back in december and walk through that little mall between the mandalay bay hotel and the luck your there's pita over there signing autographs while i must have been a thrill area there. You know fifteen hundred a month and that's where you can find them you know it It it's a living for him. I mean that's that's his. Bread and butter is being pete rose and signing autographs that way it just a little odd. I grew up watching. Pete like most people did You know for certain age. Remember him as a player and it just seems kinda of out of a kind of a at a place there. Almost this isn't even really a sports memorabilia. Stories in. I think it's called the all music store or some crazy time. It's the auto memorabilia store but it's more music oriented you and they just got kind of a better deal. He used to be in a place called field of dreams which was the more high end but traditional sports memorabilia. Spot and this This is this is kind of a better agreement with the owner there and everything so they decided to do it there but it is a little strange it really is and and i was there a few days in Walked by it a couple of times to see what kind of line now no. Maybe it's different other times of the year but he didn't really have many people going in and but like you talk about in the book i guess you have some kind of guarantee and and he makes good money doing that so god bless them right. Yeah you know if you're if you're going to be someplace five hours a day fifteen days a month you're not gonna get big long line but he has just a steady. Just a steady stream of people So it's i don't know exactly what it was like when you were there. And certainly times. He goes without people coming by. But i've been there the same out there and he and people come they're not necessarily lined up if Justin bieber with just pulling into town but they are. You know they're kind of they're. They're pretty steady that there are people there and You he of guaranteed. He'll move a little bit of merchandise every day. And and that's that seems to be enough for the people who are investing and you're talking about in the book and i just stood there watching a little bit You know from outside the store and just to see how we interact and you pointed out he he will spend time with people. he's not doing it. Just not looking at when he signs the whatever he signs He does talk baseball with him so he seems to enjoy. So because you can only does seem to be doing. I didn't have to enjoy you. Know mixing with the people you've got to have that right sort of attitude and and urged to be with people and he certainly is and in many ways you know that's what that's what people are paying for because the autograph itself is has some value. I guess but not that much as many of them out there and it's not such a big big deal from a financial standpoint but he'll personalize if you and you also spend a little time. He'll basically answer any question about most things that you might ask him So so that's again. That's better bread and butter the way he interacts with people thought it was kind of people. Make nothing it's funny. I thought it was somewhat amusing. Some of the items he will sign. He has baseball's but say. I'm sorry i bet on baseball. He'll sign that and sell it to. Oh yeah he'll do that he'd been doing that he'll sign a ball and said I'm sorry i broke up the beatles i would. I would the first man to walk on the moon. You can get him to write what you want to write pizza winking. There's no question. He knows he knows that there are a lot of jokes around and he's willing to play along he's not too proud for that. Certainly so he he. He's playing along with with joke a lot of time but but they can get a little funny and he'll also go out to dinner with you. I mean for a fee but he will have dinner package. You can have dinner with pete's Investigation after a steak dinner you in a few buddies it's somewhat popular thing for By to be to give guys is like a bachelor party. Type thing to get steakhouse in and bagasse and you to body Sit with feed and hill. You know again. He just talked mainly he's remembering baseball and talking about stuff like that but You know you get a little bit of pete. You gotta taste of pete. And that's what he that's what he has to offer that's basically all have to offer and it has some appeal for people. Kospi kennedy pete. Rose and american dilemma is the name of the book and when he decided to write this. I know it's the twenty fifth year. I think since he was banned from baseball right Was that kind of the. The the earmark point is that what twenty five years. Let's take a look at his wife. That was kind of coincidental that it worked out. I mean it is exactly twenty five years and has a nice round anniversary. But i read the book previously called fifty six about joy maggio and i spent some time with pete in vegas then and you know there was something sort of about pete Particularly at this time in his life and in his seventies and he'll be seventy three next month and what what people think of him and how he uses situation it's changed. He's not saying that he was ten years ago. Certainly not the same money was twenty or twenty five years ago and he's still such a such a figure in great american figure For all his success and of course it's spectacular ball That i that it just seemed and turned out to be absolutely so there was really a a new narrative to to look at here with pete and And that's sort of what what made me get into. It had a chance to interact with a little bit not much when he first jammed to Florida tampa bay area back in the late. Eighties managing the reds that point. They trained up in Champa then went to plant city and then all of a little bit interacting. And at that point i didn't know a lot of the off. The field activities seem to have control his team and knew what knew what he was doing as a manager. I think you would've been a pretty good one if you'd save right. Well no i mean until everything. Unravelled in nineteen eighty nine. He basically turned around. I mean they had been had some really bad years and he started he led them to. They didn't win the pen in. But they contend it every year the second place team And and he he was having success the remains to be seen how he would have done over the long haul but in the short term He was doing well and he. You know the players really liked it and they felt that he was accessible enough. They could sort of joke with him and all that but he also had this great knowledge of the game and you know he talked to him about things like the way the grass was cut by the groundskeepers in different fields and The type of bat they were using. And and i really like get inside and with the player mind. You know one thing. About pete more than i mean all these guys in baseball love the game right. You wouldn't be doing it if you didn't. And but pete had a special kind of love for this game and he really devoted himself to it and devoting himself to the to the very To the various aspects of it and was was really quite committed and that rubbed off on players and so yeah he he did have success. The manager and i think that he would Would probably continue to to have some. I got the impression. And maybe i was one of the few people that watch the reality show. He did. But i did watch all the other is but you got the impression you know aside from some of the reality stuff with girlfriend and all that the baseball talk that he did in there. I think there's a couple of desserts training some kids or coaching some kids that you really loves baseball. That's still there. No question that the love of his life even more than gambling and even more than his members family baseball the love of his life and has been for many many years so That much is that much is true about p. and that's part of what makes his story a sad story. It's not to blame anybody. But pete himself i mean he. He's the reason for where he is where he died But it still feel. There's something sad about it. Because this is the game that he loved and that for a long time he treated with more respect than anyone. I mean you know. We've all gone and paid our ticket and seeing somebody Seeing one of our players. Just jog after a ball in the outfield. And i'm not saying that that happened today and and didn't have back then. It'd happened all the time throughout baseball. History and never saw was pete pete peak gave his all and all that and and would and he gave his all off the field to in terms of when he would get to the park and when he'd leave and the way heat elevated the players around him. I mean when. I spoke to former teammates. Just crazy the way they would speak about him. And how with this kind of reverend for what he was able to do for their Through his own commitment and example and his attention so you see that and then you see what he's done to his life that he can't even be in in baseball at all and there is definitely a sense of sadness about what's happened to him. Custody kennedy pete rose and american dilemmas. The name of the book. And i go back. I grew up in new york Cost you and i guess my earliest memory I don't think i remember watching the all star game where we rented a fossey. I guess. I've seen that clip so many times. Maybe but i do remember the seventy three season where he got in a fight with bought harrelson. I think that's a lot of new yorkers Probably either. Learn to hate pete if you if you didn't hate him i always enjoy watching them even though Beat up on the new york teams right you know. He took that that thing inside he got in a fight with House and and The you know the the fans who are all over it through stuff on the field and the team had to be delayed and everything come back the next day and and of course it's pete not surprisingly who wins the game with a home run extra inning and sort of you. Know gives an arrogant punch towards the chase stadium crowd. This is a guy who did not hit a lot of months. He got one then You know i. it's funny. Because he was. He was vilified then by mets fans. But when pe- came back in seventy eight and he's obviously there in between seventy three and seventy eight when he came in seventy eight on his hitting streak five years after the house and incident. I mean everybody loved him. You know we repeat. We want pete. There were shouting and What was then shea stadium so He had this connection with fans and he certainly does did create some some disdain among opposing fans and a lot of fancy. Didn't go from that much. But everybody ought to be asking to him. And for the most part people admired and loved him certainly the team playing for cincinnati forever and philadelphia as well but even also among opponents. I think that real baseball fan. Look what he was doing. And it's really. It's hard not to respect that if you're if you're a baseball fan and are you talking the book You said you talked a lot of ex team teammates him. I know he and the mike schmidt Mike schmidt is kind of been a supporter of him throughout. All of this. But kind of wasn't at first. I guess the the closer now or what's their relationship. Yeah it's been a little bit you know. They've always had kind of a little bit of a caustic relationship. I mean they. They obviously teammates throughout those great big red machine year. And if you look at at cincinnati's cincinnati sports landscape in cincinnati is a big sports town. the two most important athletes in that town without question our Johnny bench and pete rose and they are number one and number two And there's never been any question who's number one. And that's pete who grew up in cincinnati. And that's never been so easy for johnny johnny's been a little more of a model citizen off the field and there's some animosity there and then when You know. Pete lied about all the stuff he did. Further animosity and bench came out and said some things against him. They begun to repair it. A little bit. they've worked a charity event together last year and But there's still. There's still not quite there yet. But there's a little bit of cordiality between them. And just so johnny's doing commercials again hadn't seen them do one in a while so he's back from tv. Johnny he's He's pretty good at a massive ceremony. To if you if you ever get a chance to see him on the after dinner circuit. He's pretty good. I haven't seen that all i'd like. I'd like to see how he does that. And why don't you talk a little bit. The book expecting the best about You know with the g. league retiring after this year of course he's been trying to get reinstated instead of meeting with with seelig. Where does that stand right now. And if it doesn't happen under bud Well the new commissioner wherever that's going to be well that'd be any any better prepared i think that It's still you know but has always kept an open mind. But he's never given any real inclination he's likely to turn things around And that's not to say that he should. I'm not advocating either way. But but but feel the certain allegiance of course to bart giamatti who he loved and the commissioner who Band rose and who died shortly after that banning and there are people who are trying to get to make a move and and he hasn't yet then. I don't think we're going to see that. If a new commissioner comes in it's a new game. It's it's still tough to to put him back in baseball. But i do think there is an increased conversation about it these days and it is we might in any case him get on the hall of fame ballot regardless of whether he had actually reinstated into the game so he did get reinstated. Let's say a full partner. Whatever whatever you wanna call it what he one of the coach or is he just wanted to be in. The hall of fame is is that as biggest all all the fan well his whole his whole life. He's wanted to be a manager coach. That's what he that's what he wanted to do. And he. I think he again as i said it you know. It isn't new time in peace life and at the age of being out of the game long happened. It would be tough to be a manager even for him and i think that would be. That'd be a tall order. That's not to say you wouldn't see him down. As coach of some kind certainly spring training whatever it might be. I think he would immediately want to get back into the game. And that's not something. I think the baseball wants That's one of the reasons why they they've been. They haven't done anything to change the situation because they have ppac there you know. And he's still a gambler You still best horse races and other things to have him back on. The field is tricky proposition for baseball. He's about one hundred yards away from sports for signing autographs right. Exactly and then he'll have people go over there and that's for him so it's You know it's it's still a part of his life no question fascinating Kinda look into the life of pete rose american dilemmas. The name of the book have been talking with the kashi kennedy tonight and the book published by time home at the moment and the cost appreciate you take a few minutes and even doing a lot of these interviews but it really is for. Anybody grew up in that area. And if you didn't. I think you're going to give young kids that having a chance to see him A real insight into pete rose's life. Well thank you with a one of a kind ball player One of a kind person for better for worse so. I hope that this book. thanks a lot. i'm stanbrook. So two years ago iphone remote area medical to help people overseas but then we found generations of families in america. Isolated by policy from the healthcare. They need together. We can take dental vision and medical help to a million adults and their kids right here at home in the united states of america. Hey i'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because i'm not famous but i did start a men's grooming company called harry's the idea for harry's came out of a frustrating experience i had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced and out of touch. At harry's our approach is simple. here's our secret. We make sharp durable blades and sell them at honest prices for as low as two dollars. 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Moment of the Day (06/05/19)

Boomer & Gio

01:35 min | 1 year ago

Moment of the Day (06/05/19)

"Morning. Pete Rose was on with Mike yesterday in studio while he was in studio. He was relying a story about Joe d I'm going to play a clip 'cause you actually talked about the clip an hour prior to me playing it. So just to set it up. This was what you were referencing the best way described Joe DiMaggio is he was a penis with a man hanging from it. Pete Rose, ladies and gentleman. So then g reacting as Mike just one of those things that you knew you just it was just I mean it was out there. But if you were in the know you know, okay, wasn't talked about now. Those things will hush hush back in the day. So was well down who was not? You know, but Demongeot I mean, he was, you know, okay, he'd like to let people know he'll let you know out of the shower, maybe can't find the towel right away. You know, he liked the he, he liked to let people know that I didn't get folks folks, he didn't get Marilyn Monroe for no reason. Okay. I didn't just stumble upon all reason. Okay. One look at that thing and marriage. I. Sweeny up a little bit. And we'll talk about Jodi and his penis. One of the weird moments of the day. But there you go moment of the day. All right. Thank you, Jerry. Appreciate that.

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Hour 3: Pete Rose

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

33:39 min | 1 year ago

Hour 3: Pete Rose

"So God's ear everything's a little sluggish January. Maybe it's the cold weather the holiday hangover or the end of football season. Whatever the reason everything slow in the wintertime including your vehicle's battery battery so think ahead stop by your local events auto parts as soon as you can? They'll test your battery for free no appointment necessary if you need a new one. They'll install it plus enter the code Dan Twenty when you buy online twenty percent of your battery purchase advance auto parts. They go ahead. They could Vance Retard. You want me to get real stugatz. What's I'll get real? These live with our show with his two guys on. ESPN radio interesting. Back and forth between Durell Rivas and and Richard Sherman. I don't know why anyone would ever go after Richard Sherman on anything because he's going to scorch you. There isn't going to be a lot. aww retort so Durell. Rivas is basically saying the only criticism that anyone can file with Richard Sherman which is that he often is a scheme corner as opposed to playing man to man that he doesn't Trail number one receiver all over the place that he plays on on his side and Durrell Rivas showed him getting beat by Davante Adams in the game on Sunday and Durrell Rivas basically criticized Richard Sherman as a scheme guy. Richard Sherman's respond on top of correcting Durell. Revisit spelling he was saying you didn't look just like me in your ninth year. Your ninth. Year didn't look like my ninth year and also enjoy the game from from your couch and Durrell Rivas. The most surprising thing about it to me was as one of the great sports mercenaries of our time his Sunday television set up is pretty weak into it. Looks like a dorm room from a college college student. That doesn't have any money GONNA say it looks like my living room and I just moved into my house. Maybe going for that though. I mean he's going for college. Broke College dorm student. Yeah just like you know hanging around all the guys these coughing right my mouth. And I mean Greg Cody has been caught. You know both go to therapy. Just go to the therapy couch. Both of you. I mean cody is. He Cost Twenty seven times. It's Ryan stifle it. And then STU gods stugatz turns around and blames him. Blames Cody in fact that is two dollars. Planes Cody for the I. Four the phlegm in his throat. When you mean it's a fact that Greg Cody coughing caused you to have flim and Gurgle it into into the microphone directly in my mouth? Both of you get Outta here. Take your time fellas like this is punishment it over there waving Mike. How much did you enjoy the reverse and Sherman back and forth? Well I loved it because they both made amazing points. I think Reba is absolutely right in. Maybe you look. There's a reason why everybody does it. And historically Pete Carroll's add grape production from quarterbacks that whenever they leave that system they hadn't really done well up until until now what Richard Sherman doing thirty one years old often Achilles injury which is usually a death sentence for athletes and other scientists starting to get better there but at a thirty thirty one at an age of thirty one off an Achilles injury to lead another team defensively to a super bowl. It's really great and you don't really have a good comeback occur. Yeah my year nine look a lot better than yours. It's a hater criticism. Though to take the one time he gets beaten the game that they're willing winning by a million points and two point doubt from your couch while you're not playing in your out of the League You know it just. It's it's reeks of petty. There's no reason to do it. It's super petty and I'm not really sure if there's more to that argument than that. I'm not sure if they get along because they were always the guys that were compared to each other. But I do think that there's room room for some of these discussions. How much scheme helps inflate certain players numbers? That doesn't take away. Well I guess it Kinda does but look Mostert Mozart played a brilliant game. He's clearly the best option backfield that when map rita was healthy. He was running for eighty yards money. But the Shanahan's will get that out of just about anybody somehow yeah the Shanahan's and Kubiak the world whenever there's zone blocking scheme takes over for a running back their numbers just inflate and it's something specific traffic to them. There are plenty of other teams are like. We'd love to do zone blocking scheme for a running game and it doesn't end up working some really talented backs and putting stinky years like Darren McFadden but if Salvin young can perform this if Elaine is gary can perform in this Rueben drones can perform on this. I think there's a conversation to be had there. I really do. Oh Billy you're down on curb. Yeah I watched the first episode where I didn't I I don't know I felt like the first like five or six minutes. A lot of it was look really forced. I mean I'm assuming it will get better throughout the season. It was just like some of the stuff was outrageous and there was no real. Well wait a minute. That's the entire career. That's that Larry. Every David has built two industries after out of no point to what it is that they're doing just a minor grievances that he makes major by being a bleep pool. That's the whole. That's that's the whole construct. I mean I've seen curb before I know how the show works I'm just saying usually it's around a storyline when you're walking around just breaking right instead holding each other. Well it's ridiculous that we're here. I mean Dan as usual continues. The banishes for no reason whatsoever when he's the one doing all the wrong stuff on the show but did you hear what he said earlier. You said early. We started the show. Hopefully they bleeped it because because that's the kind of thing that gets you know. So you know you break a selfie stick you go you push down some of the scooters or whatever. There is fine line. While they're things are going on. But it was just Kinda like -rageous thing -rageous thing outrages thing and then filing I took it I liked I liked that he is tortured. Always always thinking that he's going to run out of ideas on what petty grievance he's GonNa Complain About and I very much for sitting on this caught it would be a little bit A little a bit cumbersome yeah I mean did you hear how he started the show that I did you hear. He started the show whether one spending all the time he's in reruns already. So the episode so is not unlike other episodes that they've done throughout their history where he's cramming more and more ridiculous Silly nonsense into it but you the first five or six minutes seems pointless to you. I was laughing out loud in front of my television. It was just Kinda like I was waiting to see where we were kinda going because it was just him and Leeann walking around and just you know causing some trouble but Leon being funny while they were they were funny. But you know. And he's look it's Billy Gill what the hell do I know. What am I to tell? Larry David what to do. So it's just hard. It's hard to be funny every week. I'm surprised either very comfortable. I would cuddle with you again. I say it's great. It's like a pillow. Hello here this is fantastic. We should we should intensely do some wrong on the air. So the Dan sends us in little cuddling. Your father sounds terrible again Chris. I'm a little worried about him again. Like he's spent the whole show coughing again we. He's been sick for like six months like almost two years now and he every time it's just like I'm just battling adults something he just never dude. I'm worried get better and comes in here. And he's wheezing the whole lumberjack. Thing I mean he makes a joke of it. But you know back in the late seventies in the Yukon. I was a lumberjack for about six or eight months you real yeah I was. I was in North West Manitoba. We're cutting Don Hundred Foot Pines and cedars and You know that's what I did so You know March two that were mackinac. Every once in a while I'll have to wear it in Miami though. Yeah well yeah but it was this. Is this the bit that worked so much better on television than it does on radio. Because you're sitting here watching Stu gods and to cody actually cuddling next week uncomfortably. And I'm afraid that whatever your father. It was too cold I loved working. The chainsaw ain't saw you know those are the big eighteen inches it was. You know there's something when you have an eighteen inch saw on your hand off feels h eating. It feels like steroids to me. I think I'd prefer to cut down a tree and the one time I have cut down. I did it with an ax. Well I mean you're a man's man You know mnuchin obviously use only in acts but billy. I don't believe there are a whole lot of people out here. Criticizing the season opener of curb. Your enthusiasm you're so you're really staking your own clan mean. I'm not normally like in the majority on stuff so used this. You generally like the show. I love the show. It's one of my favorite shows. I just you often tastic. I think even after the commercial break when he calls us back we should just stay here. Because it's it's nice. I'm thinking about leaving my wife review appalling bunions onions interesting. Because when he snatched the Gopro Larry David from that ladies and just casually walking pious over his knee Larry until we didn't like apply it seemed like they were just leaning on things that annoy Larry. There wasn't really but usually there's a story around that DOC. I don't understand why you guys are sitting. You're saying of curb your enthusiasm. It seems like they lean on things that annoy Larry and billy saying to me then. I don't need you to explain the show to me. But that's the whole show. The whole show is things that annoy. Larry I'm excited about the Sheryl angle like the rekindling shingle. Damn Damn right I would. He had everything you want in a in a big bad baseball batter. Had the big stick knew how to swing. It can make his own bats. alrighty chop down the tree and make his own bath Jack is your heart beating my it s gasoline. Such a good question put it on the poll. Ermo is Greg Good. He's beating about tar. Tam I holding cody back because we get this all the a time when cody's on Kornheiser show when he's outside the lines when he's on Mike and Mike he gets a lot of response. Wait a minute you are a journalist. You're good at this. To God's well well I think of myself as a professional chameleon. If I'm in a blue room I turn blue with a minute technicolor room. I looked like the Jeff Gordon logo if Kornheiser in highs are wants to ask me a really serious question. I'm going to answer in kind if I'm on with somebody who wants a Yuck it up I'm GONNA put on a party hat you know what I'm saying. DCC Donlevatar show with the STUGOTZ ON ESPN radio. Mike do we have any sound. Cut Up from that South Beach Session of Jason Williams telling stories stories about Charles Oakley. Because if you're not familiar with this story we told you the other day that this is the best south beach session. We've ever done he. It is someone who's life has been invalid upped by death and then he accidentally shot a man and killed him and went to jail for two former NBA. All Star went to jail for it was on the PAT hat. Okay to being a media. Superstar was on the path to being what Barclay is because he is such a good storyteller teller and everything got derailed in a way that clearly still haunts him because he breaks down a handful of times during this conversation with I mean maybe you're a cynic and you want to believe that he's a good actor but he seemed broken by remorse by feeling pulling like his own. Father died because of the stress caused by the sun accidentally killing a man and he he was in studio here with us and I felt bad at how emotional. He was becoming and needing talk about it feeling like he needed to talk about it because he is now doing work with addicts and thinks it's important to be honest and vulnerable with his stories so that he can help addicts in a way that is trying to repair his life and give his life purpose but he is a man who used to be life of the party jovial and now carries himself with the kind of weight that many of us can't even imagine the the remorse he has about harming the family of the Limo driver that he accidentally shot. Yeah as you mentioned a we record. We recorded that interview in studio and it was very difficult to experience You definitely felt the weight of everything Jason himself was was dealing with The interview itself is sixty minutes long. We'll play at ten minutes sampling for you. Tomorrow means to get you guys interested in the South Beach Session. I Know No. I'm joking around a lot when it comes to. This is the best South Beach Session we've ever done but I'm very proud of this. One this one grips you emotionally. You run the emotional gamut. And he's doing very good work right now with his rebound program. And I really hope that if you've never checked out South beach session before I understand. There's a lot of podcasts out there especially with the Super Bowl coming this this is Hettie but it's certainly worth your time. Are you going to get. That looked out again. Greg because you've been coughing all show again. We're back to coughing the entire show. I'm having a little bit of a rough day. We're Trying to soldier through it. You answer the question now. Maybe a doctor. But I'm worried about you because every time I've gone to try and talk to you your your Bento for away from the microphone. Coughing and making you laugh is a problem. That is a problem from which is a problem doing this show. Let's funniest thing from the sports weekend on that. Pay People pillows what sport menu laugh heart disease the weekend go. What made you laugh this weekend? Ha Ha sports weekend is brought to you by advance auto parts getting free battery tests that free free installation with any automotive battery purchase at advance auto parts that ahead. Advance Chris. Cody what was the funniest thing from the sports weekend during the NFC championship game. That kept showing doing rob lowe on the screen because he has a new show out for Fox and he was inexplicably wearing an NFL logo. Hat was one of those. I'm just curious how. What was the decision in making like? was there a phone call. I need to happen. I don't WanNa be partial. I know all about this okay. He didn't invent the NFL. Had Tony Romo used to wear it all the time I was like man. It's such a great hat and then Rob Lowe came on the screen and I was like oh I need to grab that hat. I bought it immediately and then saw it became like this whole sensation. He's won the NFL had because 'cause he's not gonna wear a niner's cap even though he's at Niner's game you so publicly colts fan. So what do you do when you're there to promote your show with great. NFL seats Iraq. The Shield that's what he did ED. Maybe he's a fan of officials you bought an NFL hat about the same exact hat. And I've been meaning to get around to this since Tony. Romo is doing press conferences and I saw Llanos when I was like. That's it with Apple. Pay I can just go ahead and get this right now. And now all of a sudden I have one of the more in demand fashionable hats in all the world. It's a conversation piece dad and my sign. Antonio Brown Raiders Philly. What was the funniest thing from the sports weekend? Why are you making that sour face at Mike Dan After Friday when you said no one had the guts to to pick the titans every single person on NFL countdown? Except Samantha. Ponder picked Titan Roy. What was the the funniest thing from the sports week? It was so cold and Kansas City during the conference championship. That Ryan Tenant. He'll use his nose was tablets. Gloves on is the problem. You can't do the tablet with the glare. He got unfair criticism for that. I thought it was a heavy play quite literally from him. You GotTa do Mike. What was the funniest thing from the sports boards weekend? Well not really sports. But I'm really into his Brad. Pitt Comeback Tour. That's going to culminate with him. Winning an Oscar but over the weekend was a screen actors. Here's guild awards and he made a very funny speech and this was one of the zingers that he had when he won this award or think. My Co Stars Leo Mugabe. Lobbying Mugabe's feet Margaret Qualley Dakota fanning's feats seriously quentin has separated more women from the shoes than the TSA got a foot fetish. Guess Cody Yes. Thank you Mike Cody. What was the funniest thing from the sports weekend? I love this quote Andy Reid on how he celebrated winning the AFC championship had a cheeseburger and went to bed. Sounds about right. That's he's going on a diet it here so he could fit and was Miami dream. I put it on the poll. Guillermo is the dream of cheeseburger in bed cheeseburger and then bed US guys what was the funniest thing from the sports weekend. Our friend Bill Simmons saying he'd rather start a franchise with Derrick Henry Than Patrick mahomes loves. Loops that yeah. I'm GonNa go Mike Leach. His twitter account is fun. His he writes the best murder weapon. This is not what you'd expect from college coach right. The best murder weapon would be a tupperware lid because nobody would be able to ever find it. It's true right. It's a joke but it's also true. Guess or no. Your House is filled with misplaced Tupperware lids. Yes or no there which in fact put it on the poll game or ad-lib cards show more inexplicable. That you can never find the Tupperware lid or the one of your socks is missing from the giant or that the tupperware is always stained orange. We can get it out. Where does the Sako Lebatardshow? Why are you so bad at this Stugotz? I can't answer that. That's a good one though I've been thinking about a lot these donlevatar show with these two guys on. ESPN radio all right. So Pete rose. We've been wanting to talk to him here. You're seventeen time all star. Were talking about the hall of fame today because Greg Cody is one of these all timing old-timey voters and he has now voted for Sammy Sosa. But but Pete rose can't get into the hall of fame so we're going to talk to him now about an an assortment of cheating going on throughout the sport the head King thank you yes. That's that's right the head king. So thank you for joining us. Paid first things first so you watch astros scandal play out and what is it that you think to yourself. Well you know when I played It was you always tried to steal the science from a third base coach. You'd like to know as a manager if the guy's got they hit run honorees you gotta squeeze on he's gotTa Steal I don because you can pitch out and help win the game I was never wanted wanted to know what was coming As far as the guy on the second trying to tell me I didn't want to know because he might be wrong. But when you start using electronics to do it That's too much and I don't know who did what when they did it but it's amazing to me is. I don't know how you guys feel about this. But you'll you've had three managers that are terminated the NATO you have one general manager terminated and I don't know stay inside helped any of those four guys die suicides Lewisite helped the hitters. We we we can't we can't discipline any of the hitters. I I know as a tough situation for rob Manfred because you don't know who who did it and when they did it. But I mean this general of Houston. Did he did help his life by stealing size but I honestly yeah I mean. They won but understood understood the hitters benefited more the cheaters benefited more than they were going after authority and they wanted to give some immunity the players because because it got them to be more honest investigation and you'll also have to collectively bargain. You know how strong the union is you have to collectively bargain punishments. Well not doing it right. They don't want to mess with that union. You're absolutely right about that but Still I mean you have to. If you don't do anything to the players they're probably gonNA think they can do it again just like At least they spend a guy taking steroids for a year or so or eighty games. Or so you know that that kind of curtail down a bit but yet every ear you have a couple more guys. There would be eight days or caught taking steroids show. That's not totally cleaned up and Do we think that these a AH Boston and Houston or the two teams that did this. Are they smartest guys into world using electronics to steal signs betting on baseball Steroids playing a chorus field in the nineties. which is the worst I I I don't know Steroids You still have to hit the ball and you hit the ball where no one can catch it But let me tell you something guys you you know I I. I played thirty five hundred games. I bet at fifteen thousand times I would love. I would love to know what is coming when the guy threw the pitch which guests hitter against hitter is a guy who say guy has a fastball. slider changeup Oh. He's got three pitches now against hit or a lot of your home run here is our guest hitters hitters. They'll go up and they'll look for fish may look for ball. They may look for Fast Ball. They may look for a slider. That's called hitting but now electrically you're we're getting the pitchers your guest hitting but you're guessing right every time because the pitch set your guess is coming because they told you it was coming and believe they would tell you hitting is a lot lot easier. You know what's coming especially if you've got a guy that's got a great changeup or a guy's got a great curb all you know everybody's got a good fastball. But you've got a great changeup you know it's coming you're never off stride in all pitchers try to do is get hitters off stride. That's what a change changeup does and if you know it's coming you're never off stride. You may not hit to find a whole but you hit the ball hard. If it's a strike you still gotTA swinging strike. You sound good Pete Rose with us on. ESPN Radio Pete. Voter and you should be in the hall of fame. I made them the state many years ago. And you know I'm not going to spend the rest of my life praying. I go to the hall of things that ever have either happiest guy in the world and I know all the guys since Let's see I come up. Sixty three the first hall of Famer I've played against We're staying mutual so I pretty much know all the guys that went into the hall of fame after sixty eight or sixty nine alway up till today and I played against Bosa my plate with a lot of them so I know all about to hall of fame and there are some guys that should be in there. I mean I'm not I'm not going to sit here and tell you. I believe steroids or anything like that. But Barry bonds hit a great career. Roger Clemens had a great career career you know I'm not so I'm not so much on Mark mcgwire's bandwagon because mark. Maguire was a home run hitter. so as Dave kingman you know I mean you you gotta be able to play the game of baseball and so many D. H. is Edgar Martinez made it. He didn't own a glove when I played when I played five I mean how can you tell somebody. I'm a baseball for. We'll go get your play out in the back. Why don't have a club? What do you mean you're a baseball player? I got a bad. That's that's a honeymoon. The baseball that's a honeymoon but compete. I have to ask you very honestly. You're a betting man. Would you bet that you will some day be be reinstated and make the whole either posthumously or during your lifetime. I don't think so Around I don't think so Around and I can't get not listen guys. I was a player for twenty four years and I only worried about things I was in control of and I'm not in control of being reinstated. Hey I like rob Manfred. I think he's got a tough job and this is a this is tough toughest challenge so far a couple of other challenges. He has okay this past year. You guys guys know strike outs. were up home. Runs were up. A tennis was down okay. Baseball attendance was down by million. So if I'm the Commissioner of Baseball -ASEBALL I have to concern myself with that if I'm the Commissioner of Baseball and I see a seven game world series between Houston and Washington and and five of the Games were four hours and was an extra in a game I gotta find a way to shorten the game and you. You can't shorten the game by these pictures out there and fish and five or six innings because every game has four or five six pitchers in it and when you bring. It pitchers parade pitchers in every other inning. It takes time to play the A game. Plus you have six minutes of commercials every inning. It's a night any game which nine times six fifty four minutes of commercials. They're not going. They get rid of the commercials so people who worried about long games. Forget about is not gonNA. It's not GonNa get Better Pete last time you were on with us. You told us your worst. A Ah bad beat story where their horse six and a half lengths ahead and then a deer jumps over the railing and knocks out. What is the racetrack? We haven't heard in front going down the backside in a damn beer ran out of the woods. Not Jockey off the horse. Okay but I wanted to. It has all bad guys because we got my money back. I will I wanted to ask you though your second. Worst bad beat story. Because I didn't didn't think that you'd be able to top that one but do you have another good bad beat story what I remember. What time many years ago I had a bet on a football game? Minnesota was playing playing somebody and They I think they were there. Forty three point favorites. Okay and they and they won by forty two. You had your forty two point favorites and you win you win by one point. Less than what you're given I mean but that happens all the time not as good not as good does it story. That's okay guys. How about one time I bet on the damn thing drown? Why are you betting dog? Go out to you what do you look at it. You Got Piper a quick story short or okay. I'm I'm ten or eleven years old. And and and when I was a kid Don Zimmer his dad and my dad used to take us to the racetrack every Saturday. That's where that started okay. Ah What's the language page. You gotta be careful go ahead keep talking. That's that's it. And and he told me one day he had a dream about the white hats and black hats and big little hats and they went to work in the produce company in a guy give them a nuisance that he read and as he did every day ate lunch with ten miles east just a river. Downs Racetrack opened up. The program and number one is top. So if you know anything about gambling you're dreaming about hats. I guess it new hat top at. He'd better thousand thousand dollars a win on top nineteen fifty. That's a big bet guys in nineteen fifty. They're going to turn your come down the home stretch. The last you a fifty to one shot beat top back and I was his name. I said who won the race. He said so Bracero they. We'll talk to you tomorrow. I WanNa Talk to you tomorrow. You WanNa come back tomorrow Pete please I have to do is just get ready to go to work but hey guys thanks for calling in and I hope they just get this straight now because You know baseball donate more controversy. This tough enough to play a game and you don't have a lot of controversies in football basketball. You never have met hockey. So you know space. Ball's GONNA try to get cleaned up all right. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Okay have a good day awesome tarred. My hair is unfashionably age inappropriate long perhaps the longest and has been since college and May continue as such. I'm not not sure why. Last vestiges of the of the extreme outer limits of Midlife crisis to God's futile shield held wobbly against the encroachment the more talented e v The last stage before the onset of Mister Rogers style sweaters and the silence rendering acknowledgement of official old eight. All Truth owns wrote. You would be like one of America's greatest on these Donlevatar Dan Le Batard show with the guys on ESPN radio. I have done a lot of things wrong today. And one of them My fault during the Pete Rose Interview Review. I was supposed to toss it to him to advertise. You should get used to that over the next coming weeks here with the Super Bowl and I did not do it so can can you please look up from me. Whatever information it is that Pete Rose was trying to sell and I didn't allow him to because I was asking for gambling stories? Jorges Sodano has brought a strong here in these sideline reports. To God's he is doing it effortless effortlessly relentlessly is making. It's good eras. Look bad I went four for four in one game at listen to this got him dropping show phrases four for four in one game. Thanks Dave we're here with Jack Levin Zach obviously a big push for you to get into the All Star game you know what. Maybe you've had your yourself. You can't shake your Mike Ryan is not giving you. I thought that was the hardest the degree of difficulties that you had. I mean not flawless execution. George I mean and I gave him a you know you know. I tried to sell it more that way. Yes trying to make conversation what else we got here. Back Friday presented by state farm chip Boylan of the Chicago Bulls Philadelphia. One point under two minutes had six men on the floor. How `bout that look on the floor? wiz sneaking onto the floor like from the bench so strange earlier that they only have one win versus a over five hundred the third spot so far. Never know that was. We know sing it. I couldn't sing it because there was a basket so I was like stuck stock because Dave Pasch had to make that call. Yeah you gotta go Eun of No. Yeah that was tough because then we got two more by I stay from Brett Brown and the Philadelphia Seventy sixers spence doing everything out there for you. Scorn Duncan it. Pass it how is he. Impacting the game. The most happy coating it was excellent. I could not improve in the post game. I Chris Cody gave me this line. I was texting him. Because Gimme more Gimme more and cody said what was the phrase. I used with With Ben Simmons. I didn't ask for any of this. I didn't ask for any of the you know what I think I can make this work. There's been a lot of talk on the talk shows about you and your offense and I'm sure you think to yourself writing this down when one's a tough one to do I didn't ask for any of them. I snuck snuck it in so there you go before that something like five for five five Because now what is he going to do. We're going to recruit aerial Hawan Wani on Friday to see what he can drop into the Teluk. Yeah we're going to do some peer pressure area. Who showed us in studio on Friday ice by the way Pete Rose has partnered with pioneering ring? Wait wagering company. Healthy wage lose ten percent of his body weight and six months win cold hard cash for more information go to wage dot com. Use Way they pay you. It works out perfectly for him. A was he running for office. He sounded so polished. Like I don't know if he's running for office or he wants commissioner of Baseball one day. It was really good on Fox like he was and obviously he had scandal and I get why they let him go but he was very good with Alex. Rodriguez Ortiz in those guys. I I wanted to ask you. Maybe I'll get the chance to ask him tomorrow if he's watching a run being like come on come on. You can't welcome him totally back into everything in pop culture American baseball and not welcomed me back. I would be furious if I were him about. This whole Astros thing like I would be banging the drum like you've got gotTa let me back in because of all of this Greg let me ask you a couple of things I want to ask you first on rose like should he be banging the drum because of his ass thing and how do you feel I did with all all my different show. I'm going to tell you the truth. You never know Hannah. These lebatardshow on E._S._P._N. radio.

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"Donlevatar Vladimir Guerrero seventh in war in Nationals Expos History Stugatz. How many expos are ahead of him? Oh Easy Gary Carter's I hit him. Rains rock Andre Dawson Auk Steve Rogers tour's Raj Same Wallich Wall and then Ryan Zimmerman and then Zim these live at our show with this two guys on E._S._p._N.. Radio and finally an early draft of avengers endgame Vonnas Sonos was going to go back you time kill the two thousand twelve avengers return to the future and talk Captain America with his own decapitated had thrown away deadlines information tune in the sportscenter on E._S._p._N.. Radio all throughout the day. How would that work so like if you go back back in time and you decapitate someone when you come back to present day wouldn't they no longer be there? You know it was really confused at how they tried to explain time travel and they took this really simplistic approach and my brain just wanted more because something something happens in the past according to them it doesn't really have the butterfly effect I was just hold really confused by the whole thing and if someone can explain it to me quite honestly at Michael Ryan Ruis on twitter because time travel in the moral cinematic universe it is a big eggs sticking point with me. Oh but it's doing great shop great numbers. Keep it up excellent hype man or marvel movies everybody. Why did you just do that? Partners are the same family yeah and I feel like we can celebrate the fact that it beat Avatar as the all-time highest grossing film box office hit it really even though Weenie but we now own avatars number two now we don't we own everything now. We're taking away from everybody else. I'm sure the Avatar sequels are going to be great yet. How do we let Avatar happen doesn't matter because we own it now who's number three number three's case but at the time it's a very he could question Mike? How do we allow that to happen outside of Marianne Williamson? I don't know any high profile avatars zealots out there. We'll put it on the poll. Do we own everything we are going to get accused of being lazy in ten minutes it and we are so the accusation is a strong one and affair one <hes> we are lazy but in ten minutes the reason we are playing billy ray Cyrus again on South beach sessions is because we have a bunch which of new ears at the moment and we would like you to get a taste of some of the weirdness that we do around here is his Thong still number one because he told us on South Beach sessions that he would retire if that song was number one for seventeen weeks and I think when we were talking to him it was fifteen weeks. He said he would retire from music. I'm checking out the billboard hot one hundred right now and according to billboard dot com it is still number one and bad guy bill l.. Have you caught the remix bad guy with Justin. Bieber dude kills it. I'm reading up on J.. Lo in a row because I'm fascinated here where I think Iran is giving her a gift every hour for fiftieth birthday. She woke up to a video montage. Gosh I mean you know A.. Rod is doing this big right because a-rod this is what you know about a ride a-rod is celebrating. J.LO's birthday in a way that will bring attention also to a Rod. Is it fifty gifts per hour. What do you think I can't even imagine how he I mean in lose that much money with the steroids stuff like he's just a season? Do you think Chaman isn't Camila Cabello make acute couple just collaborated berated and they've been photographed by the Paparazzi but the stage sorta seems stage and I kind of feel like they're trying to make us believe that there were real life couple to sort of push the success of Senorita. I don't know areas senior. Worry now this number four what surging <unk> presently what's bad boy by the way yes I heard the remix had the originals Guy Oh by billy eyelash. She's a joe she's become a huge seventeen years old. This is fantastic but she idolize Justin Bieber when she was growing up which is funny because to me. She's still growing up but Justin bieber hopped on the the remix. Oh Man oh absolute banger totally slaps also was part of the Lebatardshow and friends network. We have departed I saw STU gods was so pumped here earlier because <hes> <hes> Mike this isn't going to surprise you at all yesterday on the show we had the poll question who's the greediest and most narcissistic and most selfish and we said is greg cody or Stu gods guests who in the world has been bothering me more about access to me journalistically during the last week than anyone else in the world because it's not cody. It's been Stugatz. Stu Gods binges daring me outlook. I it has been so annoying that I spent the break thanks to God's. Can I please he's concentrate on some of my stuff. We've been concentrating on your stuff for the last fifteen bleeping years. Hey Bill by the way and I just said during the break look. I know we fed this monster for a long time. Kenya leave me alone on you. Get the first exclusive exclusive interview with me where I get to talk. Can you please dear God leave me alone. Might he's been worse than cody has ever been. I'm not kidding you. I I didn't get much like hey Dan. How you doing all I got was hey? When can you do just to potty listen? That's great even pitting jokingly. This anger is real expressing right now. This is not an act just hit him with the during the break. I don't know who's more selfish Hammerstein gut or him Greg Cote. It's definitely me but here is his <hes>. Here's the deal okay I listen. I've sat next to one of the great journalist we've ever seen rationalization. I have learned very well from that great journalist as did not taking no for an answer and there's what Whoa Whoa Whoa that guy you cody. I mean it's so great journalist do is they. Don't take no for an answer. They get their guy and you are the big fish. I see this foam buzzing all day all night. You're the big fish you're the guy everyone wants to talk to add so I say what great journalists do. I got a big fish and by God fish. He's sitting right next to be everyday and I just kept asking until he finally caved in and said okay now that you said yes. I did say producing issue potty this week and it's due out tomorrow. We've got nothing doing my. I gotTA fly out to New York tonight for what amounts still pretty good meeting. He wants me to do it before we got a big fish rush like I'm not telling I Mike. How am I supposed to feel given what my last? I've been on the Disney Diet. I've lost weight. I haven't eaten I have I have not been sleeping best possible diet. There is that's right. You should absolutely you. You know what I was looking at. The top five worldwide box office Disney owns four of the top five wow domination with this man's we gotta by the Titanic Yeah. I'm not talking about the movie you gotTa make sure of the whole thing. Make sure it's our intellectual the property in perpetuity throughout the universe. I'm saying we raise the titanic and if there's one company that can do it folks. It's this one they did produce the movie as well what they produced it with paramount. You don't imagine that ride a universal my God what did you just do what was a dance and dancer and it was just wait a minute. Are we going to be dancing at your wedding. You're not gonNA dance at your wedding. We'll see see when the bad bunny hits. If it takes over my by you gotTa Dad's your wedding man the dancing just not caring bill. That's it. We'll get back to your wedding in the second but so what are we doing but what you I'm GonNa have yet listen. I was planning on asking you to do this anyway. Just it's a series of interviews <hes> taking people through our relationship and the history of our show but this week I was planning on doing it for a couple of months but since you're kind of kind of a big deal I figured have Yom. We'll talk a little A._f._C. North and then we'll move on to some other stuff as well so I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I listen I went fishing. I caught a big one. Now was very nice of you. I was just alerted of this that you went way up the chain and they have allowed me at the end of this interview to West Dan chew or three and not more than two or three of the pressing questions that everyone wants to answer events that transpired in the last week so at the end of that interview I will be able to do it if you have time if you don't understand we a BUBBA till next week but that's great journalist. Do I mean they don't take no answer. We really can't bump it to next week at this point. Okay wait until the last minute plan B.. I don't tell me Alex Morgan again. It's not her billy ray Cyrus neck. Interesting creature inhabits the flat arid planes of many an automobile dashboard the bobblehead it's most agreeable and will not along to anything despite having no brain function but when the bottle head here's how GEICO not only saves people money but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone not even more vigorously because he knows you should switch because yes switching to geico is a no brainer easy publ at easy. You can get whiplash Dr Dan Le Batard Stugotz. Oh these lebatardshow with STU gods on E._S._P._N.. Radio this is basically the biggest song we've seen in America's since Elton John Nineteen ninety seven. This is the biggest song that we have seen this century old town road number one for fifteen weeks remains the number one song in the world and Billy Ray Cyrus is with us now to talk about <hes> an uncommon uncommon song at this time in your career Billy Ray. If I'd gone back to Achey break you heart and told you in two thousand nineteen. You're going to have a song that is going to bust all the songs. You would have thought that was possible. I'm not sure you even allowed in nineteen conclude. I remember enki breaking hard. I do remember that I remember that that album was enormous. Where were you and how over you not to ninety two? I was born in Sixty eight so I was twenty four like I saw how that kicked off line. Dancing dancing I saw how country bars went from not having line dance into having line dance it because of that damn song it was pretty crazy man in a lot of what he's shares common denominator with hotel road. It's it's a movement. It's something that people universally adversity latched onto that just felt good that happens every now and then it's really special. I somehow just got lucky enough to get to ride two of them and it's just an unbelievable feeling this thing though town road is just blowing my mind right now. I'm you know I started the whole Pete Rose Movement last week at really just it was fourteen weeks number one man and I saw this picture of Pete rose with at one finger up and I go wow man I remember what Pete Rose meant to me May and that tri-state area and Major League Baseball and and that's why when I put that picture up and said number fourteen you know Pasha the fourteen and and I think even said Pete Rose deserves to be in the major league baseball hall of fame that kind of began this moment of talking and getting together today. What is your connection to that team? How old were you with the concepts yawn? Joe Morgan Johnny Bench Tony Peres reds. How old were you when you were locked in on them and Sparky Anderson as the coach you know and you're probably talking like absolute? Glory days was like nineteen seventy five and so I was born in sixty one so I mean there again at that time. I'm playing second basis eleven-year-old on twelve all star team. I loved baseball. I love the game of baseball I loved playing baseball and that's why I come at this. Whole Pete rose thing as a guy that loves the sport a baseball? I'm a baseball fan. I was more likely to be the Catcher for the Cincinnati reds or the Los Angeles dodgers then the <hes> left-handed singer-songwriter. I was supposed to be Johnny Bench and <hes> as eleven year old they put me at second base and I love the that year out in my head I played pete rose. He always made that's why they called him. Charlie Hustle he'd made up for everything he cool out of God given talent and then he'd go the extra mile with a dive and some type of incredible save or run head on into the feds and come out holding that Bala. How did you become a performer? What drew you to performing like yeah? It was something about where I was raised my mom and dad my mom pep all day. I'll play music music. There was always music. My Dad had a gospel quartet. Harmony was a big part of that quartet. It was four piece harmonies and that's what I always love and he'll love to this day if you and harmonies for song you know and that's why Todo town road I said man he don't let me write a burst. I'll do harmony or something for him but that's all hit. He don't make me to do anything. What are the specifics of how you to came together? We'll believe it or not not fix. He tweeted Kim. Anybody helped me get this song to billy Ray Cyrus. I didn't know that he had sent that tweet and I didn't hear the song until March fourteenth of this year and then I got a message that this young man for Atlanta one to Harry Song and join him on a record and something about distract me that I should listen to when I listened to it soon as I play right there and they'd seeing it and I hit M._p.. Three of it and we played all I was. I love it and it just felt so good. I play by ear. I don't I don't have musical training on something about it. Felt really good well. I remember thinking when I heard the them of Achey breaking heart something about it felt really good in retrospect something just going with my instincts and feeling looking for something. It felt like it was special. How often billy ray do you get that feeling? Does that happen a lot where you're like. Wow this feels so good. I know I've got the ear for something here. This is going to catch Dan. I wish I knew the answer to that but it's like everything in life to be all just just like baseball. Let's go back to baseball. Lap is like baseball before he's GonNa ever get hit. He got to step up to the play and then when you step up to the plate he got a swing and you keep swinging trust me I swang many more balls that I missed the ones hit certainly in this pursuit of this dream of music as they were way more failures bank successes. Unfortunately it's actually very tragic that being said that this giving Mamata speak to you from my home and singing males Tennessee upstairs in studio up here but were written for years and I look back and that album from nineteen ninety two there used to be these things called the C._d.'s you remember C._d.'s right after cassette and back in them days. When a record we'd go platinum? Linda will then tripled. They're not dom and they give you a whole record leading up to ten so that ended up being pretty huge plaque and I happen to be speaking he now look at it this album from nineteen ninety-two as all these plaques leading up to this bigger and then he's got the nine for nine million in the United States in the year of nineteen ninety two remember. I started that here out in a Chevy Baretta that I called my home like I was down to like the last trial of doing this thinking man. Maybe there's just ain't ain't gonNA happen. I played at that point. I had like three to four to five little jobs that I played up around Appalachia in Eastern Kentucky southern West Virginia Ohio. I was also going through a divorce and so at that time period I lost my home matter of fact that song. Where am I going live? When I get home off of the album some gave all see what happened with that album as it was a succession of five singles that came up at album with achey breaking heart leading it off but each one of those songs songs just kept pumping that album with another hit three of those songs wrote during one week of nineteen eighty nine the second one was where my lives when I get home and then on the next night I wrote she's not crying anymore two nights sweat but I didn't write anything and then on Sunday night? I made a Vietnam veteran jobs home. At night. I wrote a song by him called all gave some and some Gay Ball my last pitch to throw was to go play some gay ball and somebody finally said yes. After ten years of being told no and became the cornerstone of Achey break heart. She's not crying more the album some gave all and talking to you now today three decades later three decades later this. Oh man gets to talk to you today. I happen to be a fan of the show. Oh so. It's fun to talk to you and your team. I love all your players man. Everybody throws out their ideas and thoughts. It's a really great show. Thank you sir well billy. I'm glad you said that because billy has been trying to get in here on the baseball questions. What did YOU WANNA ask? Here's here's the thing billy ray hi bellary. It's bill. Here's the thing he keeps using these baseball analogy. You got to step up to the plate. Eventually you'll get a hit but they don't concern about the way baseball's changing with the shifts and I feel like maybe now like before you'd be able to go to hit but now you can't get a hit because they moved everybody to one inside of the field and I'm wondering how you feel about the shift man. I've been privy keeping up with town road. I have not sure that I've felt the shift other than the thank <hes> what baseball is to me. The definition of baseball is Pete rose and and it's always about a team that rises above expectations accede to a world championship take that world championship to kid that grew up in flatwoods Kentucky nineteen seventy five we need. It's something to believe in and here comes a big red machine with superstars and real baseball players and I think it's just so great whatever that shift is. I'm a baseball fan so I love the game. I think there's whatever shifting for everybody to agree. There's room for forgiveness. I don't know anything that's so bad that especially in a world where you think back to that time period Pete Rose I tell you he bet on some games but they wouldn't his games and recognized as he wasn't the only one that did that but he wants it using steroids or enhancements or any chemicals he was pete rose out of God given talent. I think they such a healing process for baseball. If they've just go ahead and say man this year we'll put pete rose and all things to God's wants to ask you something to here now that we've got have only whether you Charlie Hustle. I'm wondering you think the balls or just pardon me the ball's ause juice. What do you think we wanNA talk about? Pete Rose and his love of Pete Rose and his campaign to get Pete rose into the hall of fame. He doesn't want to talk to you guys about shifts juice balls I think we have we have passionate. Oh I got my hand race but y'all can't see me. I'm raising my hand can ask a question of course yeah who's balls are June. I'M GONNA work nine about it. It's a good question billion. I thank you for asking it. Basically what's happening is in baseball. There's so many home runs in the commissioner of baseball is saying is because the baseball is a different kind of baseball. It's slick it goes out of the park easier so there's a record pace on home. Runs and some people are suggesting it's because the ball is do stop Holy Land and see I'm. I'm just learning. I smile and again. I'm not making excuses but I I got on a rocket ship ride about sixteen or seventeen weeks ago and it seems like everything's just been moving much man. Just smoke focused. You GotTa Play Your Game Right now. Aw Pete rose. We've been calling in throughout this segment because we wanted to surprise you at the end with Pete Rose and we've just been told that <hes> we missed him. So do you WANNA leave a message if we send to him something that you wanted to say. Here's what I wanted on this say hold on a second. We're GONNA make the phone call for you. <tone> Mr Call I will get back with you as soon as possible. Thank you and have a great day town. Please record you message. Mr Pete rose this bill grey silence and I know you're on an airplane right now and I'm praying for your safe travels and I wanted you to know I'm so looking forward to stick with you and just telling you <hes> how much you've meant to all of back in the Ohio River valley we just love you wanted to know and I look forward to <hes> speaking with you but most importantly have safe travels today and looking forward to future and thank the power of the fourteen. Thank you so much inspiration. God bless you travel Saint Sir Billy. Thank you so much for being on with us. We really do appreciate your time and we will get behind the Pete rose cause. Yes we will belly one last requests. Maybe before you gotta go. We gotta let him go right here but me you Dan and Miley next week. Talking Pete Rose couple of menges cutting it. Can we make that added Yes yes I like it already all right talk about this and she loves baseball and Mohan loves baseball. All my family loves baseball and that's what baseball really in the glory days of the big red machine. It was about family. Well like you said there's been a little shakeup shakeup. Somebody's got to ball's juiced. Let's go back to family billy good talking to your family and forgiveness Donlevatar. Nobody in my life has has as many unlikable traits. I still like as to gut stugatz. Would you have taken the pay-cut. No pay cuts. Please hell you talking to. This is not third show with those two guys on E._S._p._N.. Radio Mike Ryan has an update for us on Marvel Cinematic Universe time travel. Yes so the way that it's been explained to me and thank you Internet. I'm going to read the message that I got <hes> from Ryan tyrant and this is how he explains. Let's see if we understand it a little better so the way time travel works in the M._C.. You is essentially that your timeline is set changing something in your past won't affect anything but that pass which is in that timeline it wouldn't create a new reality for let's say twenty eighteen captain America so Anos killing twenty twelve captain America it wouldn't kill twenty eight team captain America. It would only create a new time line. Captain America died in two thousand twelve so this is the ultimate university. Skeptical Billy is not having any don't understand that at all it just seems like an excuse to do whatever you want whenever you want and just ah happened in the past but it doesn't affect the future don't worry about that. This is precisely how you can keep certain money-making characters alive even though they are dead weight so you could kill someone at twenty twelve and then you just go back to twenty eleven and make a new twenty eleven movie with the person and then you could do at twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty twenty movie with them because they can change time exactly make money precisely on characters that are dead. Well really it's art. That's the driving force behind all of this. They're telling an amazing being story billy. You upset that you can commit murder and get away with it or I didn't make money off it. I just don't understand a lot of the comic book world like why do we need seventeen different versions of Spiderman. I feel like we got the story already. Know why do we keep telling the story because somehow Holland is the perfect spiderman and I don't know if you saw spiderman far from home but mysterious teased multi-diverse now turned out. Maybe Masirah was being a little mysterious however San Diego Comecon it was just yes revealed that the sequel at the doctor strange is into the multi-diverse so the multi versus a real thing is certain characters still alive that may have perished in avengers endgame alive in this multi-diverse. We'll find out take my money. What's a multi-diverse billy? I think that you might be in the minority here. On definitely the my people are riding with my grind never felt so alone as I do and Comic Book Movies and Comic Book Movie Weekends. It's like a ghost town. When there's a comic book movie that comes out you can do anything no one's anywhere but the theater? I've felt that alone you days ago. This is a tweet but that that that that's we got a good tweet for you guys but if you you were reincarnated as an animal based on your personality. What animal do you think you would come back at damn based on our personalities as opposed to just like the dream animal based on our personality Canal shadiest animal out there? What is this snake snake or a rat snake? I my personality also is the same though it'll be a hippo or an elephant right. It'll be the same yeah yeah right. Yeah Yeah like I'm a dog. I tales. I would love to be a dog. I love happy for no reason you you are a bit of a an ofi dog. What's the dumbest of the dogs? What is the same on it all three right saying are you descend from the animal and this is your father's beer-drinking that has a keg of beer around its net Afghan hound is known as the dumbest but it's also happy? bulldog is the top three dumb dog how much how about you billy. What kind of animal who's the animal that just won't shut up on? What's what's the animal that's most terrified? What's the most jittery of the animals most scared scared of the animal? I've always fancied myself. A Bald Eagle then really regal and soaring through the air really is that right connoting freedom confidence really you give you think symbol the most competent confidence and competence and Freedom Yeah okay very good Roy crab yeah pretty much. We comes into work every day. Yeah Raby Mike What about. Imagine what about you Mike a beaver a beaver always building and you don't know exactly what however if you take it out of the ecosystem it all goes into chaos. Wow that self involved. You could've been a B G go in that Jesus as we all make jokes and you went truth. Donlevatar is shop no longer high school class of any sort. I don't think so I think that's only in the movies I I don't know anyone who ever went to high school where they had like woodwork as a class my dad did you. He made a lamp actually stugatz. I'm trying to think of more useless contribution to the show then my father made a lip and woodwork wouldn't lance evidently Roy's the evidently Roy grew up with the hardscrabble times of wouldn't lamps made by your father nights wired it and everything yeah yeah we worked yeah. No public school systems really failing. I couldn't make a lamp if I had to put it on the poll Jamaica lamp these visit with our show with two guys on E._S._p._N.. Radio we have a lot of polls to get to. We didn't elaborate thing to trick Greg cody yesterday <hes> at the hard network out where we pretend he was is getting onto our sent. If you're not familiar with what we do to Greg Cody as a longtime dinosaur columnists for the Miami Herald and because ageism is one of the few things left that you're allowed to make fun of on we just make Kim look old. He will not learn the clocks around here even though he's been on our show for years so at this point we've just turned him into entertainment but STU gods. This was legitimate from yesterday because we got him good. We got him three times. We've got the three times but the last one was the best one because we were building up to it and just all of us whispering among ourselves but he had gotten onto the sent that when we do the polls if we say the polls are that segment he's on on alert so now I've had to move the polls and say coming up next is the polls so he thinks there's more show and after we got him yesterday he looked Stugatz was just staring at him. How could you have failed there again I and when we treat you and Greg Cody said what do you lest you people out there think he's acting? What did he say to you? Wait the show's over. It's unbelievable Juanita right now in row so he started telling me but Dan just promoted the polls for the next segment and I just stared at him because I didn't want to reveal what it is we're doing but I'm telling you he starting to catch on. He was thinking it's all the wheels turning. If he really sits that think think about it he will know and so we have to change strategy. I've just guys now well. We'll get to the polls in a second but I I wanna read you this tweet from that billy ray cy Cyrus interview this tweeter rights billy Ray Cyrus has no idea what the shift is in baseball. You don't get the show I haven't felt who is this personal. That's right the whole reason we ran the view is because of that it wasn't because we actually wanted to talk to them. rocketship seventeen weeks ago and he has an exactly had time to feel great pivot by him. If we didn't know he was all at the same time he was full of it like in this guy's writing in I got him. You guys cultural shift again. That's what he met at Lebatardshow on twitter who is Becka Hank as you guys didn't notice he knows nothing. The reason we ran the interview because he knows P rose. He doesn't know very much about baseball. Clearly he knows plenty just hasn't felt the shifts and he doesn't know who's ball's juiced at lebatardshow on twitter. The twitter poll is brought to you by dollarshaveclub dollarshaveclub delivers the products you used a look feel at smell your best right to your door plus with their handsome discount the more you by the more you save dollarshaveclub dollarshaveclub dot com slash Dan very special offer again two days appalls here lebatardshow on twitter. What a baseball fitness loom you would send through the automated teller sixty nine percent of the audience said yes basis? Would you be comfortable sitting four or five rows in front of the safety netting. If you're required to wear a helmet. Would you feel comfortable. I could have read that better fifty nine percent of the audience said no who is more selfish fish greedy and narcissistic yeah two choices here they were me and Greg and I'm happy to say I want with fifty eight percent of the audience. I wish I was getting about how much he's worn me out about. I'm doing my first interview on Potty. During this hot news time so the great journalists dude and who is the top fail the used car or Greg Cody Phobos Chris hold on a second. Are You going with your dad tomorrow to Fort Minor League night. Where can people get if they WANNA follow all the nonsense going on out there? Where do they go together you doing that from our accounts? Are you doing it with your stuff now. We're re tweeting. It's the Fort Myers Miracle. It's this Saturday so we're heading over there. Saturday morning I will be there. I will be catching the first pitch. There's a mean Greek. Before the game two dollar Miller lights check all of our social media's for Re tweeting of the Fort Myers Mirror posts a bunch of social content add lebatardshow on instagram twitter and there'll be a used car there and we're asking who is the top bill greg the christmas-in-july. That's right buddy. The day target the park eighty four percent of the audience said a used car who should would have top billing or greg cody eighty two percent of the audience said the used car what does to God's have to find a steering wheel or the desire to read talk about a story improve your golf swing by using a steering wheel. I favored it on twitter and I need to find the steering wheel. That's not attached to a car desire to read sixty eight percents can you by both Odell Beckham junior shoes and J._j.. Watt shoes the eight eight seventy two percent of the audience said No. Do you know Michael. Madsen is fifty three percent of the audience said yes. Can you make the argument that Tarantino is our best director sixty four percent of the audience said yes. Do you also confuse Tom. Sizemore Michael Madsen did that yesterday. Sixty five percent of the audience said no are you shocked. Larussa knows how to use email eighty seven percent of the audience said yes should Arrow Baynes ever under any circumstance in any situation in the history of time and be in the same places Marianna Rivera at the same time eighty seven percent of the audience said no is John elway scared of VIC bleeping Fangio. We're going to have to get to today's polls tomorrow. Seventy six percent of the audience that yes is Vic Fangio's media availability just him walking the wall that is such a good question. It's one of the best we've ever had. We poop out polls every day like I just polls and Muslim aren't very good but read that one again is Vic Fangio's media availability just him walking the walk. That's so good ninety. Three percent of the audience said yes. Would you buy a sausage from vending machine. Who would do no matter how hungry you are? Eighty percent of the audience said No. I wouldn't do that to cure famine like I wouldn't send it to places. No you can't eat a sausage out of vending vending machine. What's better being a legend or being a hall of Famer seventy seven percent of the audience at Legend read these quick what's better being a legend or being a first ballot hall of Famer Sixty two percent of the audience said legend? Can you be alleged without being a hall of Famer. Oh seventy five percent. Yes God does being a first ballot hall of Famer automatically make you alleged quicker fifty eight percent of the audience of Yes David tyree and N._F._l.. Alleged area giants on Yeah Nice what's an auto policy from state farm covers accidental damage and this radio from state farm covers this classic nineties.

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This is the base of the Dan. lebatardshow with with the STUGATZ podcasts. There are a number of things that we want to get to Walkman is ending on. Hbo One Season Hugely critically acclaimed The Creator doesn't want to do it anymore. eminem out of nowhere elsewhere quietly robson album last night. Aaron Hernandez Documentary is interesting for a number of different reasons. Greg cody trying to get into the PODCAST game. But we got to begin with what billy is calling the best off-season ever yeah. I can't believe how much he is delighting. And all this stuff with The cheating and what I need help with here billy from you. Greg Cody of the Miami Herald in with us today is I need to know a couple of days removed from all laughing about the idea that Michael Kay said on Golic and Wingo go that perhaps Jose Altuve did not want his jersey torn off after a home run because he might have a vibrating wire clinging to his nipple apple telling him when curve balls were coming. Is this actually now. A thing is this can spirit like what is the most credible reporting that we we have on the possibility that the astros were wearing wiring devices. Because I thought it was pretty primitive. I thought you couldn't get a lot more primitive than banging on a garbage can in the dugout even with all the technology in the world but is there actually a possibility that we have a vibrating wires and buzzers and stuff. I don't know Oh man I don't know what's going on but things took a turn yesterday and it was great Dan for those of you just catching up. The Astros cheated. The Red Sox may have cheated. TVD On that one but we thought at first that it was just banging on trash cans and there was cameras and and monitors and maybe cellphones and apple watches. Things have gotten crazy we thought. Hey you know what they fire the manager they fired the you know the president. It's over right. Eight far from over Dan Levitan because Carlos Beltran was also let go slash mutually parted ways with the mets. He was a player at the time. You did call it could take a victory lap. I don't need that Alex core. I don't WANNA I don't WanNA profit from other people's misery is Dan. That's not the kind of person. Alex Cora also was mutually mutually parted ways with the red sox now twitter and the Internet have gotten a hold of this story and they're taking it all kinds of crazy directions and I don't know what's real and what's not real but I do know you love you. Do love trying to figure that out like you all. It's almost better to not know what's real than just. Have it all laid out in front of you in ten page report. I'm here for all the cheese and I'll decide which cheese good cheese which is bad. She's cheese is short for cheesman. Which is Spanish for Gossiping Case Anyone's wondering why I'm calling this chief so I'm here for all the good cheese now? The problem is we're kind of just following twitter's lead and assuming everything's true at this point and no case can be made greater than were that all we are doing Dan. Are you telling me that you did not follow what may or may not have been Carlos Beltran Trans Niece on a private twitter account to see what now reported by Marlee Rivera fake Carlos. Beltran's niece has been telling people because fake Carlos Beltran Sneeze was telling people will the Carlos Beltran was going to resign from the job the day before it happened so then everybody said Oh my God this is Carlos Beltran Sneeze. She knows shoes a source of information. Exactly and then Carlos Beltran fakeness on twitter. Were saying you know what this buzzer thing. It's real so then everyone's like Oh my God I need to start going through old footage. I I need to start going through pictures. I need to go going video. I need to see anything that looks like anything to confirm that this buzzer thing Israel now again Marley Rivera. WHO has a relationship ship with about trump family? Said this is not crows Beltran's niece because the Beltran's know all their nieces and they don't know who this person so this is not Crossville Trustees. Now who is this person. Good question there are reports that this account may be linked to our friend incarcerated Bob because this account I guess is overstated account account. I guess is supported. Incarcerated Bob's arguments in the past. I don't know there's something going on there but again everybody's now looking at taking still images of Confetti that stuck up to people's chestnut go my God there it is that's the buzzer right on. Somebody's chest and then you know someone else goes someone else goes in like. That's not actually a wire and tape. That's a chain that you can see in this other thing and what looks to be tape is actually confetti because we now have found video of Josh Radin removing the confetti from his chest that was stuck there in a celebrate. It's it's all just crazy and we're not even getting Scott Brosius his son or maybe that's a whole nother thing we don't need to get into and I don't think anyone wants us to get into that one hour were. It involves Mike Trout. We don't need to get into that. I'd like to Sun or maybe Sonum Scott Rochelle because I thought for sure this I mean if you're going to tell me you're the niece of Carlos Beltran. Why why am I gonNA doubt that right? But it wasn't the nieces of Carlos Beltran so I ended Bob Catfish possibly. We don't even know that that's just a rumor out there now. I don't. I'm assuming someone knows that. This is actually scupper oceans. His son but I don't so I'm not comfortable saying that. It's actually Scott Burgess his son but it's got brushes his son Kinda got in on the Astros situation and is like well. My Dad used to be the third base coach for the Mariners and he used to make fake signs to throw off the Astros and agitate them in the Doug and they'd go crazy because they thought that he was dealing science from then when they were really the ones ceiling science from other people on people like okay. S- covers son. We're listening we're here and then Scott Skype roaches his son. Or maybe fixed garages son again. I don't know what's real and all of that That person then responded to his own comment. He's like on by the way Mike I Trout has medical clear uses. Hgh for thyroid issue and then everyone was like wait. What what is going on now? Okay hold on a second. What's the descent This is one of the dangers fund dangers but dangers nonetheless of journalism sort of collapsing and becoming everyone making their own newspaper. Right now. Next thing you know you are taking credible sources you know up there with the Wall Street Journal and whatever it is New York Times whatever it is that you Scott broaches fakes on and Carlos Beltran's niece who's not a knee. His handle was something brushes so it sounds legit. That'd be legit. It's an unusual surname You I have not seen you happier. I believe it or not. I'm very conflicted on this. I know you see this and I'm like wow. He's so excited I am but I'm not because I love love baseball and this is really bad for baseball probably right. This is embarrassing for Basil. I don't think you can argue that. This is bad for baseball. No but I what I would argue is not that. It's not comparising for baseball. What I would argue that bad pub in these sports isn't actually bad pub because the people who WanNa Watch aren't going to be put off by this nobody's turning away because because there may have been cheating by the Astros? You tell me all of the people who have turned away from football because the Patriots were cheating. Well that's the thing this is championship we for the NFL. An hour talking about right now is baseball. Which is insane baseball? offseason is usually board like it'll get picked up around the winter meetings. Went signings happen but like this is NBA NBA offseason stuff like but like first of July or whatever the signing period is for the NBA. We're like Oh my God this person's going here this person's going there and everybody's just coming up with these crazy theories of what's going Glen and we don't even have the red sox report yet and when we get that. Oh My god Dan we are certainly more into it than ESPN's other programming now because it's wall to wall football. Get up and I take far poor Mike Trout. Just getting hit with shrapnel in this story. That's right that's right. But it's not I mean medically cleared age. Age isn't even a scandal. Like if it's medically cleared there's there's no scandal there but again we probably shouldn't be going to air with information from Scott Brochures may always had allegedly allegedly. This is what he claimed. We don't again. We're not saying this check for the DNR How do you feel about this? Greg Cody has a long time journalist. I do Had Steroids happening in his face and a needed it. As I did to be reported by a guy who walked past mark mcgwire's locker and looked looked in there and said. Hey that's not allowed Andrew dice or whatever is on the banned list. Why is this in his locker for everyone to see and then off the top of your head? Ah A lot of people would walk pie. Pass Mark mcgwire's open locker room where he was not hiding some of the things that he was doing. Yeah not a good idea by mark. Well he couldn't have known because we weren't snooping around like he was busy saving baseball. That's right. He was busy being on the cover. Sports illustrated in a Toga with Sammy. Sosas the man of the year right. Well I love this latest sign stealing scandal because the idea of using a catcher catch using one or two fingers to call for a pitch is just so primitive an elemental and ridiculous. That it's it's worth mocking that. I I look if if the Astros cheated. How about you? Vacate their their world series. I mean he cut to the core of it. If you find that you can prove that they cheat into that degree to win games. Why should they be champions? Why I hate that Greg Cody? And he's got a podcast coming out soon when we talk about it in a second but I hate that he gets these conversations four days after everyone's having them and then says the same things that were said for days ago and doesn't know because he's not consuming any media. Yeah right yeah. That's true that is true but I haven't listened to In your you weren't here on Tuesday. He would have been saying all those things the day of Truman's normal day that's right exactly about tarred. He has the golfing. Great is football team. We take the ball from goal old. Go like no one's ever seen wherein the were on the ground where all was in control and when you say Miami you're talking Super Bowl stugatz where the Miami dolphins everybody Miami Dolphins Miami no Ovens Evans number the Miami Dolphins Fan feel good not. Aw Aw man I was feeling joy. You're wrong lyrics. Find these live at our show with Stugotz on. ESPN radio that is Greg. Cody of the Miami Herald. You can check him out behind a paywall at the Miami Herald if you want to support an aging dinosaur of newspaper columnists as he tries to get to fifty years of employment at the Miami Herald hashtags scale that wall. Okay thanks so The paywall is difficult. It's a difficult thing for us to scale Ben mcadoo is trying to get back in the game. The jags are interviewing doing Ben mcadoo for their offensive coordinator position that allows me to go around the room here with some Ben mcadoo. Looks like and to ask you guys is which is your favorite from among all of these. I want votes from everybody on this. Ben mcadoo looks like a pirate from an off Strip Vegas show circa nineteen ninety-six. Yes Ben mcadoo looks like we're going to look like all of these Ben. mcadoo looks like the manager of struggling hot TUB outlet outlet store. Yes Ben mcadoo looks like divorce. Of course absolutely Ben mcadoo looks like the Guy who has taken it upon himself to keep the CONDO pool. All free of leaves. Ben mcadoo looks like a bowler who has shown on ESPN classic. Yes Ben mcadoo. Looks like the guy who married the hottest this girl highschool twenty years later and takes care of her six kids while she's out at the bar with her ex. Doug Peterson it's more of a Doug Peterson one really Ben. mcadoo looks like a man who's has been lost in lows for to Ben mcadoo always looks like he's wearing a disguise. Ben mcadoo looks like a contestant on wheel of Fortune Chian Circuit Ninety Four. Ben mcadoo looks like the guy who walks into super cuts and says I'll take the usual without ever realizing he has a different hairstylist. Every tire nine Ben macadear looks like the instructor and the nineteen eighties. Bus driver training video. Ben mcadoo looks like Paul Pawel Radke. Who is friends with twelve year? Old Greg Cody. When he was twenty four years old? I knew that that would get cody's because not so self involved just loves hearing his own name and that of course was greg. Cody friend when Greg Cody with twelve and Paul read was twenty four. What's wrong with it Chris? You're nominee decide between divorce or getting the leaves out of the pool. Okay going divorce bill go ahead. What about you bus driver training video? That's pretty good. I want that one roy. How `bout you divorce and more than one of my Mike? What about you I lawson lows for two hours got me today and I know what Greg Cody answer is pirates. Pretty Damn good a vegas off Strip Vegas pirate in one of those shows outside of a hotel in one thousand nine hundred ninety six but eighties bus video strong so's ESPN classic. Why are you giving off? Why is he giving off so much of like time period from three and four decades ago a word and mustache is that all it is precisely what if I couldn't vote for radke honestly I was going to vote for the the bus driver read video as well remember when he changed his look from one year to the next and he came back and he was cool? mcadoo do and slicked back hair. I wonder what mcadoo we're going to get with the JAGS. I don't think we're going to get a magnet with the jags. He's just interviewing. I just loved that. His name is back in the game. I think he's got a raw deal macadear when you look at what he accomplished with the giants and what they did afterwards. I think it really Max at team out. He was ahead on that the thing and people criticized him for that then they just did the exact same thing like a year or two later. It's gotta be tough on him Coming to the realization that no matter what he does he'll never be the greatest mcadoo in sports history. You think that's the east thinking to himself. How how do I become better than Bob? macky who it's if it's a failed effort top five at least though that's good is there a third mcadoo then the top two. I even better right. I want to get into this Aaron Hernandez netflix special. Because it's very good And yet it is largely a rehash of what the Boston Globe his done with. Its gladiator podcast series. That was very popular and not as popular. I think this is going to be because net flicks. Netflix taps into certain things with Dr Crime. And so- Netflix. Getting a lot of attention with their rehash of what the Boston Globe already did did and there was one thing that I found. Because we've been fairly obsessed with the story you can make the argument that in my sports lifetime. There have not been a a lot of greater sports mysteries than this story. Of How the hell do you get from being an active New England Patriot to also being murderer. Like how does that happen. What are the roots of that? And so we've talked authors about this That we and it's salt flimsy every retired. I'm listening or watching anything or reading anything books written on this subject. I'm like there's not enough here. It's not being explained to me how it is that this happened. People are interested in the obvious overt mystery of. How does this happen? But nobody's been able to answer the question and I do feel like this. Gladiator pod and Netflix are doing a pretty good job of trying to answer the question of the roots of how did this happen. Because so it's a logical. It defies sense the idea of killing people when you appear to have everything and not only killing people but appearing to be a bit of a serial killer. Just sort of totally flippant with life and the part that I found most interesting about this. Well let me get into it next because we're out of time because Oh man that's not. That's a good tease right there. And and it was so professionally done even though you were bad at your job because you just mismanaged it's a time get to it now. Can we now. We can't get to a now. You'RE GONNA have to wait five minutes. I'm sorry to find out. What is the most interesting thing about the netflix documentary documentary about Aaron Hernandez? According to Dan Le Batard buy low. Sell High for some ads. I'm hanging on every it's interesting I'm telling you it's interesting. Not It's something. My thoughts are interesting and I hadn't considered it and frankly I did a very poor job of covering during it as it was happening. As much of the national media did Feber tarred. Should Greg Cody of the Miami Herald. Be Allowed to wear clothes pin on his nose. Elia When we smear cat food on his face and a little bit but he already told me he told me he suffers from gird Stugatz? I do suffer bird and I'm I'm GonNa Miss Docker mcgillicuddy. He's trying to fax over an injunction to prevent me from doing it. Because I do suffer from the digestive reflux disease. G. E. R. D. Like Gerd Mueller. The former soccer player from Germany and You know it's it's a serious areas thing you know whether you're laughing about it or not burden at Vcu Donlevatar show with Stugatz on ESPN radio. ESPN radio is is presented by progressive insurance. That's dollars pick from a range of coverage options with the name your price tool to find a price that works for you guests on the Dan Le Batard show appear appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance. Actually that's the maximum fine. 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The panthers announcer who was just dropping inexplicably random pop culture references into gold calls during Florida Panthers Games and recently Sodano and izzy good errors although they haven't done it nearly enough flatly they're slacking. I've not seen them on their sideline reports dropping in phrasing for our show listeners. Where you just get these little Easter eggs these as little nuggets that if you're watching Sodano did it on sportscenter with Neil Evert and just turned to the camera with just this mischievous grin on his face as they went to a break because he was proud of himself for sneaking in an Easter Egg for our audience. But there's there's a couple of guys young guys they are coming coming after Sano and easy in a way. That's embarrassing is to be embarrassing to Sodano and izzy because they're just polluting the things that they're doing with all manner of show Joe References so Mike this latest guy here. I'm not sure how young this Guy Sports director is less young. Yeah but Mike O'Donnell is one of those play-by-play guys You can often see on. ESPN PLUS ESPN. Three calling games. And he'll do show referenced says but Randall parley does an amazing job and the sound. It comes courtesy of W. E. H.. T. in Evansville. Indiana were huge in the heartland. He does evening newscasts and he See if you can catch the show show references in just this short clip here. Glad to be here with you tonight. Iraq and on a Wednesday later on in the half the ACIS cranking up the defense artois. The benefits with the steel slamming. Bossy wins this one tonight and triple overtime. How about that? Seventy five seventy four is Miller the man to get back into that national spotlight. It's not an easy answer but you know what maybe not surprising surprising that the only one that cody laughed at his own because his has less his level of involvement knows no bounds. It really doesn't I mean it's it's quite the accusation when we're playing things people do when it's saying things that we say this is all very self involved agreed and I'm just jealous that none of my Phrases are ever used. But Greg Cody only laughs at the things that involve him you only get his attention. Honestly I wait. What would be your pollick is a pay cut is hey stuart? Scott would've appreciated this when he was around. Go to criticizing traction. Shouldn't you got a lot of applause. where the last seventeen times he had this tape? It's Word Association. Can't come up without it so wait a minute you you have me doing in play by play in a broadcast and delivering saying wait a minute. The Ace's playing very good defense here and also where was all this love for Stuart Scott when he was alive I'm sure he would have loved to have seen it. Yeah that's the challenge. He's going to have to work that in now. Yes agreed it is easier to say slimming. Greg Cody does not yet have a name for his podcast he is. He's got a podcast coming out. I I had a fairly revelatory conversation with Greg before the show because Greg is so self involved that he really thinks he's just gonNa turn turn on a microphone and there will be one hundred thousand people there like. That's that's what he thinks is going to happen. What do you refer to me as self involved in just a neutral matter matter of fact way as if it's just a given what but listen a real quality anyone who listens to you on? This show knows who's that you don't follow any of the rules around here because look at what just happened the last segment. We've been trying to get you to follow a clock here for how long and I just sat in this room as a greg. Cody and Roy had the following conversation. Greg Cody says Roy. You're the one who hits me with that Horn born aren't you an Roy comes in here and says well Greg as you know we've had a hard network out here for several years and then Roy volunteers also also. That's the one thousand nine hundred eighty six islanders goal score which I did not know nineteen ninety-six go FA my bet. It sounds like a goal horn Regardless Greg Cody can't be bothered when he's talking to notice anything else other than that he's talking. That's why you always falls for you. Guys think that he's then on he's never in on it. The reason he always loses track of time is because of that self involvement and the fact that you intentionally lead me into the horn. I didn't that time I'm well. You didn't give me much time. It's a part of it though. Twelve seconds all the nuances of the air and drag. Thank you uh-huh I mean it's not real complicated you know. It's just a three hour netflix. Special Okay so what is happening with this podcast. What is happening with? What are you doing? Why why the podcast industry is pretty saturated right now? Scott Van Pelt is getting into it with Tiger Woods. Matthew mcconaughey corn is speaking of craters out. Now now go ahead subscribe rate review. Tony Kahn joins us we talk about. MTV and wrestling. It's a great time. Yeah well we're the mcclatchy which owns the Herald is is timing. The release of my podcast In a way that will make it the five billion podcast in America. You can also check out the local hour podcasts available now and soon you'll get our one today show podcasts. Also out there so I actually have a clip from today's local hour. It was absolutely riveting. Here's a little portion Maine yes Maryland. Yes Massachusetts born there Michigan yes Minnesota yes Mississippi yes Missouri yes Montana Hannah no Nebraska yes Nevada. Yes New Hampshire yes New Jersey. Yes New Mexico New New York North Carolina. Yes North Dakota know what's available on the lots going to be hard to compete with. It's going to be hard to get in a game against that. Give that a beat. Turn it into like a rapper. He believe he's been to forty three of the fifty states. Let's do this with Dan. And he says that getting the fifties non important your forty three Freeman. You gotta get to finish. It's not a goal of mine you know. I'm not a bucket list guy quite frankly feel free to finish. I thought just drift off. You're making the radio. You're you're making radio and you just sort of drift off and talk. You're about to drink something you're done. You did good good work the second to work this segment fine all right. We didn't talk enough about my podcast but other than that never tarred. The first thing with pea-soup is the texture of watery soup. It's awful of had gelatinous thick pea soup it's terrible pea-soup much like clam. chowder needs to have that consistency. I P soup on its own can be a little bit bland. It wants a fairly aggressive peppering. And Salting Stu gods he sup- needs a fine dice of ham not making not any other meat not Turkey. It needs a fine dice of Ham pea. Soup scorch is easily. You don't want to heat it on a high heat you want to heat it on medium low and the key to peace who you want a ham bone for the stock you make to boil your piece. VC's lebatardshow with his two guys Sony. ESPN radio you like this song. Like Don Johnson's heartbeat. You're singing Don Johnson's heartbeat Don Johnson. Last last seen in watchmen Formerly of Miami Vice. You're in their singing. It and Panta miming a heart with your hand. One of my favorite music videos of all time and his his name is don and so is our next guest on Van Nada joining us on. ESPN radio he's got a show back story and the episode. This week is banned for alive. It's about Pete. Rose Shoeless Joe. It's gambling on major league baseball. It premiered Sunday three PM Eastern on ESPN and then you can get it on the APP there will be a rear Sunday they night nine pm on. ESPN DON. Thank you for joining us. I'm always making fun of during slow times in sports. We go to the Pete Rose Conversation Chen and talk about whether people should be banned for life. Pete Rose will be joining us today at Twelve thirty eastern So Don van not is with us now now. Back Story Tell us about what it is that you're trying to do here where you try and apply context and nuance to stories that people know about but might not know everything about back. Stories that attempt and thanks for having me on back story is an attempt to go back to passport scandals and shine a fresh light trying to tell audiences something new about stories. They think they know. And in this particular episode banned for life. We look carefully at to show Jackson. The the black SOx scandal of one hundred years ago and draw a through line from that and shoeless joe being banned from ever playing Major League baseball game again to Pete rose Thirty years ago when of course Archie Amati banned him indefinitely and it's now turned out to be a life sentence for him and there's a lot of interesting parallels and cross sections of information. We've turned up about both of them and is particularly interesting now. Not only because of major league baseball embrace of legalized realized gambling. And the profit. They're making from it. Whether these two guys you'd still be terrible villains and the worst of all time in baseball history but also with the Astros was signed stealing scandal and everything going on. I mean you know the timing. Gods have smiled on us with everything going on in Major League Baseball this week when you say and way to root for misery Across the sport in order to endorse your ESPN backstory banned. For Life. With Pete Rose and Joe Jackson but when you say interesting details like what tell us tell us some of the stuff without getting everything away. Tell us some of the stuff that we're GONNA learn that we're not gonNa have known well certainly when it comes to shoeless this show Jackson one of the things that we were really fascinated by it. There were all sorts of warnings about gambling and baseball there was it was going on constantly league in one thousand nine hundred nineteen band Johnson. The American League president in a letter that I found in the archives and the Chicago History Museum said that if we don't do something thing about all of this game fixing and gambling that's going on it's going to Besmirch the sport and could actually kill us and all those warnings of course we're ignored board and they made a big example. kennesaw outlandish made a big example out of shoeless. Joe John Dowd. Who did the investigation for Major League? Baseball in nineteen eighty eighty nine on Pete. Rose actually was asked by Bar Giamatti to look into shoeless. Joe Jackson and dowd made a case a very strong one. That shoeless Joe should be taken can often eligible list and put into the hall of fame and And and actually there was some momentum for that to happen but it was derailed by the Pete Rose Scandal so in a way pete rose actually kept shoeless. Joe Jackson from possibly being been forgiven by major league baseball. That's very interesting. And I did a long wide ranging interview with Pete rose at the Mandalay Bay last summer. Dan Of course that's where it was. Of course that's where you were. Of course it was the Mandalay Bay. Yes wide-ranging arranging interview at the Mandalay Bay at the craps table that And and in that interview almost rips the microphone off early on. We'll see how he'd be as if you guys. Twelve thirty almost rips the microphone off early on because I kept asking him questions about Nineteen eighty-nine. No thank you realize the name of the show is back story. And that's what we that's what we do with the show but you know he calmed down and quite frankly he made one of the most impassioned emotional arguments I've ever hear ever heard him make on his behalf half of why he should be reinstated. After thirty years it's it's very riveting compelling television and people tune into what was happening he almost ripped the the microphone off. I kept asking him down about one thousand nine hundred ninety said you know that's old news. Why do you want to ask you about that? Let's look to the future. As opposed for the past say. The title of the show was backstory. Knew what I wanted to ask about. But he got quite angry and and almost both was he wearing a jumpsuit. No ooh I'm just curious like how much of what surrounds Pete. Rose feels a little bit Vegas Greasy. Oh quite a bit. I you know. Hit his explanation You know he was supposed to reconfigure his life. When he signed that agreement with Archie Amadi Nineteen eighty-nine? The only way was ever going to get back into the baseball is if he reconfigured his life. Of course we all know. He lied for fifty years that he had never bet on baseball or on the reds did admit that until two thousand four but when I asked about reconfiguring his life he believes he's reconfigured it because he doesn't gamble illegally on sports anymore. He only bets legally in the Vegas sports books on baseball by the way almost every day And and for that reason he feels. That's enough in reconfiguring life and he should be reinstated and and brought back into baseball. It's sad and it's tragic that he can't give up betting on baseball to secure his legacy in the hall of fame and he wants to so badly talks about how being kicked out of the game tour something out of his heart and and and really gets quite emotional in discussing it of how much being in the hall. All of fame getting into the hall of fame being forgiven by baseball means them done do you one of the great investigative reporters working in sports. Allow yourself an opinion on whether shoeless Joe and Pete rose should be pardoned and allowed in the hall of fame. I do Greg. I mean after spending after spending months. It's on this I I really do feel that thirty years is is enough time with for Peop- rose. I mean you know there are people who have who have ah murder sentences that have not gone as long as that and you know they vincent put it very well in our show in an interview. Of course say Vincent was a deputy commissioner when Pete Rose was knocked out of baseball for good by Bart Giamatti and he said because of the changing views of gambling in this country ultimately is probably inevitable that Pete rose will get into the hall of fame maybe after he dies and he may not see it and I asked him about that as well but I do think that Pete Rose has served enough of a time and certainly shoeless Joe. He died in nineteen fifty one. It's been almost seventy years shoeless. Joe is but on the outside looking at I mean phone intensive purposes. Baseball's ineligible list. Should stop when you die and actually we have some fresh reporting on that subject as well and they'll be has changed their view of that. And and we're GONNA break a little news with the show on that topic as well. I I wish that we had praised Stuart Scott more while he was still living so he can hear it. ESPN's backstory is is on Sunday three PM EASTERN ON ESPN. It's GONNA re Air Sunday at nine on. ESPN and you watch any time on the ESPN APP. You have been the home of Jerry. Jones took us into the home through your writing a of Jerry. Jones hypothesize as one of the great investigative reporters of our time What the sleepover with Mike McCarthy looked like what it felt like there was a lot of Johnny Walker blue but I wanNA hear I want? Take me in in there and What you imagine was happening? Take us through the mansion of Jerry Jones. What was happening that night? Well Jerry Jones. Is You know. Dan gave me a tour of that an answering very late at night after a long boozy dinner and a steakhouse in Dallas It's a cavernous place it's beautiful. He has an incredible TV v Room. He's got a gigantic wine cellar. There's interestingly not a single picture that I could see of Jimmy Johnson anywhere Jerry Jones this house south and although he claimed later there was one and I missed it. There are lots of Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith. But I didn't see any of Of Jimmy me but I I think there was a lot of Johnny Walker blue A lot of blues he Talk and stories and I'm curious if we ever find out where McCarthy slept well is there a guest house. That's why I'm asking you. Is there a guest house. Like one of my choices there Maid's quarters like where would he have slept sleeping bag. Yeah there is yeah. There is a guest house actually in the backyard where Jerry Jones's mother lift. Interestingly until she passed away just a few years before I did that profile of back in twenty fourteen So yes there was a guest house in presumably. That's where McCarthy that night what do you imagine that he slept in more McCarthy literally Baby Borrowed Pajamas for Jerry. I Dunno incorrect. It is tidy Whitey. Ladies the correct answer is tiny white. Thank you for being with us. Be Gone Don van Natta. ESPN's backstory banned for life. About Pete Rose Shoeless Joe Jackson and gambling major major league baseball premiers Sunday three PM Eastern on. ESPN thank you Sir thank you Dan. Appreciate it tarred. Have you guys heard this story Baas route and fighting dog while I've never heard of Buzz Rootin- Pazuto has been on the shows. God's like the idea you've never heard of him. He's been on the show several times stugatz. Z. It's B. A. S. E. S. art. I was you know 'cause there's boss Skagal you guys are dragging this thing right into the into the quicksand. Why are you pronouncing it vase? Though right what exactly that's bs right bass route and Bosworth connote. Easy right yes. Joined the Navy Bosley Bosworth boss Bruton continue something about a dog. was the dog's name speedy. Speedy Rootin- These live at our show with as two guys Batson. ESPN radio camel. Put It on the poll please at lebatardshow better description for getting the cheetos dust on your fingers cheeto or or cheetos fingers. 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Yes Pete Rose is supposed to join us next segment but his people reached out to our people and said peace feeling really unwell today and he's been vomiting in a lot so he's probably not going to be able to join but here's his number and call him and maybe you can talk him into it. So that's the update he may or may not be joining us next segment but is definitely sick. Nick and vomiting a sick pete rose. So you've got an update on the health of Pete. Rose yes may He. May He feel better. I'd I'd like him to come on the air sick and vomit all over the air. Ralph all over the microphone off like that who deserves a bit of a show killer now. That's just talking for the sake of talk. It would be funny. It would be funny if sick. Pete Rose Join US and threw up all right on on live radio. It's a it's a shame if P rose is able to make it because remember all the Nice sings billy ray Cyrus said about him. I'd love to play that for Pete Rose Up. Put It on the poll Guillermo Lebatardshow. Have you ever used Ralph to describe a throwing up. Do we know why it's called. Ralph is it because it can sound like Ralph as it comes out The sound of it sounds like Ralph along with that right gear. No you're not alone Guillermo. Also put it on the poll plays. Are we still making Ralph's. Have you ever met a Ralph of any of you. Ever met a route. I I have tell us about it. Well I had a had a great for one of my best friends growing up. His Dad was Ralph in Ralph and Alma and I used to go visit it all the time Ralph and Elma Alma Ama from Iowa lovely people by the way Mike your new coach for the browns. I think he's he's sexy. I think he's coming. After McVeigh in terms of rugged good looks and just general handsomeness. Kevin Stefanski is a testament to what stubble can do for or man because I've seen photos of impre- beard and totally different guy. The beard add so much to do but he does look. Are we agreeing being that. He looks like a handsome leader. Oh He's definitely Zadie. I don't know what kind of leader he's going to be officers ALZ in any wins probably not considering our history but in the meantime handsome devil. That'll Zadie because Abel's out here a lot talking about his dad body now table isn't really Zadie if you watch them on the sideline and he doesn't really care about his appearance. He was rocking the mustache. Like he kind of looks at and I know he works out before games and I know he's probably chiseled under there but he's not giving that off not like Zadie. I like table gives off. I'm not sure what Zadie means but I think he's a good looking guy you like what he gives off. He's doing three minute planks before games. He's a former football player. He knocks out his coach and his former quarterback didn't exactly have to come up the pipeline in terms of spending a lot of times as a graduate assistant or doing it the way That the new WHO Carolina Offensive Coordinator Brady is doing it. Where seven years ago and I know he's only thirty but seven years ago? That dude was the linebackers coach at William and Mary. And here's variable with the surprise story of the season correct Is there a bigger surprise right now than the Tennessee. Titans benching benching Mariota healing themselves. And over the course of a season where tannahill has the best passer rating in the sport that is indisputably mutedly a different team than the titans have been not just because look. They won a couple of one game samples. The way they're playing football has been largely overwhelming filming offensively even as their quarterback somehow throws for only seventy yards in both of the playoff games. Because they've got something in the passing age that's that's preparing to screw everything up in this postseason like we want to watch passing offenses outside of Tennessee. Nobody wants the Tennessee. Titans to advance into the super bowl so we could be talking about King Henry and Ryan Tannehill everybody wants. The chiefs are an enormous favorite and an enormous popular favourite. WE WE WANNA see mahomes in a super bowl. There can't be anybody outside of Tennessee rooting for Tennessee. It's a remarkable Throwback story the titans and the way they win and if if they win one more game and get to the Super Bowl Ryan they have a chance to be the first team. Since the nineteen seventy two seventy three dolphins to throw WPRO fewer than ten passes in a super bowl and win because of Derrick. Henry I mean the the guy has i. I don't know how he isn't worn out. He's rushed ninety six times in the past three games but he's on a four game tear. That's that's unprecedented. Afford eight hundred sixteen game past four games. He's been on a different planet that guy and they know it's coming everyone knows it's coming and one of the things in the postseason that you want most whatever whatever it is whether it's a four-man pass rush from the forty niners or this is something that no one knows how to stop even though they know that it's coming and hand not really a talking point. Derrick Henry is a free agent it. This guy is not really being talked about the way that we're talking about Patrick Mahomes or any of the other quarterbacks. And he's six foot three. He himself is a novelty is he. Also disposable like all these other running backs are disposable when you see the titans doing this with quarterback getting them this far with seventy and eighty yards pass. I didn't think Derrick Henry would be good pro running back at this point in his career considering any of those. SEC running bags specially although marking rooms. Probably probably trying to change that narrative to Nick Sabin Ran Derrick Henry of bunch when you're that large of bigger target for defenses to hit and you're taking a lot of punishment but no he's so giving Out Punishment Eight on top of that at six three at his weight. He is pulling away from guys. We don't see running backs like this so I think he's six four at least that's what okay. Listen as a bigger than most of the people. He's playing against looks bigger than everyone in a secondary WHO's trying to attack it looks bigger than linebackers but Tannahill is also so a free agent. And it's GonNa be real interesting to see how much Tennessee is willing to pay to keep him or whether they give him an offer that implies he was sort of energy. I wouldn't Tennessee just I think they could do this with anybody. When to this point in his career Ryan Tannehill has been anybody what you have seen from the titans this season and and the rarity of it because this is a weird thing that I'm about to say right? This is what you have coming into. This game is an enormous underdog story. That is a surprise that no one could have seen coming because of everything that has happened with the titans and yet that thing is being rooted against this week. And furthermore you have in that backfield someone who is more of physical man than most of the physical men playing that most physical man's game and yet that is something that people are not routing to see in the super bowl because nobody nobody wants to see seventy yards passing in the super bowl. Nobody wants to see the Bob Greasy dolphins going eight for nine for sixty six yards arts winning the Super Bowl in seventy two and seven. I don't understand because watching. Derrick Henry run is amazing and it's it's a flashback. It's not as so much fun as pass though man. Can you just this run from the titans if they make it to the super bowl going through Tom Brady Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. UH-HUH I won't watch the Super Bowl. These show a free time for some at dangerous and close to saying that I won't cover the Super Bowl if the titans not that week. Wow I'm dangerously close to saying that I will cut off my own peanuts. If they win the Super Bowl so me Mike people can do that together. Let's not about tar. What do you prefer flat wings drumsticks? Because I like drumstick. I like drumsticks to rules stugatz. If people do just drums you'd think there's a bunch of extra flout wings just laying around right thank you. I think more people do all flash though I think more people do drumet- so I'm telling you more dramatic so much I prefer to do all drums. Latin let these Libertad show with two guys on ESPN radio the next South Beach Session is amazing. I think the best one we have done. I don't want to oversell it but the people who were here heard it yesterday and it didn't Dan by saying it's the greatest one we've done. Well you guys heard it. I saw you guys in there. You heard it as it was happening. We were doing yesterday. I don't want to give away too much. But it was a very powerful. I mean it is it is rare that you get people with that kind of story speaking that emotionally that honestly about stuff. That's complicated so I'm promising you the next Tuesday. It'll be the best South Beach Session that you've heard. Billy what do you got for us on. Pete rose unfortunately Mister roses ill and we had had to reschedule. But the good news is if you are wanting to hear Greg and Pete you know cut it up. He's going to be joining us next. Tuesday Greg will be here so they're going to miss anything. Okay Okay Great. So two days of Pete rose coverage instead of just one okay. We're killing our first show back from conference championship action. Oh that's right because we're off if Monday for Mlk Day give it who knows what turns and twists. This baseball story could take by then. I mean yesterday we left here like you know what this thing's winding up. This thing's pretty much over Greg. Cody brought up. Something interesting. off air which is the only place that he does. We were talking about him. Being just generally cheap and Greg Cody said to me man. It's a sticky situation because your son was saying it's not great That OCHO CINCO coalfields the burden of having to leave giant tip because he's Ocho Cinco and you don't want to disrespect server. Greg Cody was saying he was showing the rare. Pity for Jeff Bezos as the world's richest man because Bezos gave a rather sizable contribution to the Australian trillion wildfire a relief fund and it was viewed as an enormous amount of money for not him For anybody who isn't him and so he does a charitable thing and people immediately apply cynicism to him giving what was it merely eight hundred thousand dollars to a call. Yeah it was close to a million. I think it was eight hundred thousand Australian dollars and he was vilified. He was eviscerated on social media by people bull who were estimating that will based on his net worth he should have given at least ten million or what have you so he can't. He can't win for losing he he he can't win this You know no matter how much he gives. It's not enough if you're the richest man. Well he has he has won because of what you just said. You're the richest man in the world. So he can win in for winning because he always wins because he's going to own all things one day. The Washington Post is just a little toy for him because a creating movies like he's got a he's got a streaming service empire that he doesn't even need just making the original programming with Julia Roberts because he can I mean he I but I don't know what it is that people have inside of them that would make them mm-hmm spend his money on charity in a way that is cynical and poisonous and to look at eight hundred thousand dollars and say okay. That's not real giving if we're doing it with his wealth ten million dollars and one hundred million dollars isn't real giving either what we're talking about. Is this man's white but In how we look at philanthropy as a weird thing because if he doesn't give anything there's nobody standing up and saying why isn't he giving to the tribe but he gives me. Yeah that's right ridiculous. Recently Amazon filed for a patent for technology. That could identify you. By scanning the wrinkles and the palm of your hand by using using a light to see beneath your skin all the way to your blood vessels the resulting images could be used to identify you as a shopper at Amazon on scared of all all the technology. I'm scared of everything that all that everyone knows where we are because we're all addicted to our phones that at all times you can find out we're just about everybody is because we're carrying around these these devices that might as well be low. Jacks all of us terrified all of it all of it. I don't know what Alexis listening to everything everything you've got to remember. These are tech companies and they're just constantly collecting data. Even if you think you're just using them for shopping the data they're collecting his priceless priceless. Put It on the Pole Guillermo at Lebatardshow. Are you scared of everything that's happening with. Technology and also put on the pole are are your devices at home listening to you. The thing that I wanted to ask you guys and I have not been watching enough. Sports Commentary Television to answer this question. WHO's GonNa do it? Who's picking the tightened who who's GonNa do it who would espn who somewhere aware? Who in the national media WHO's got the CO wholeness to pick the titans outside of Tennessee? I don't want any nominees from. I'm the bias. Tennessee populace among our ESPN analysts among the people who are predicting all over. Sports Television today using the prediction prediction as entertainment. What do you think's going to happen guy who doesn't know what's going to happen? There will probably be wrong because none of us had the titans coming this far. What do you think is GonNa the happen? Who's picking the titans which of you have the bravery to pick the titans? Because I am not the one the norm I anyone in the shipping container and looking to see if the ESPN experts have made their picks. I think universally we're all scared of it. We're all I'll do it. That's right you heard me who don't mean it look at you. You got a big giant smile on your face. MM faking it. We never tarred Greg. Cody of the Miami Herald has announced that we are the biggest and best radio. Show in America on Tuesdays these days Stugatz. You're welcome these Donlevatar show with Stugatz on ESPN radio ESPN radio is presented by Progressive Progressive Insurance guests on the Dan Le Batard show appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line and now your sportscenter update the Astros of signed George Springer to a one year twenty one million dollar deal avoiding arbitration lorant. Hurt us be who was born with one arm recorded a hole in one on the one hundred fifty one yard par three fourth role at the PGA Wes Stadium Course in La Quinta California and finally in a Qa with fans. Nick Cave said Kanye West is our greatest artists right now. Here's the selectquote difference. Most companies give you one option one policy and one rate but selectquote shops and you could could get up to ten options from highly rated life insurance companies for a free personalized quote. Call eight hundred eight hundred seven eight zero zero ten ten or go to selectquote DOT COM for all the latest headlines and information tune into sports center on. ESPN radio all throughout the day. What's so so funny? The one eight hundred number is spelled out instead of numerals. It's like it's spelled out. which makes it much more difficult to read read? That's how you supposed to write copy Greg. That's industry standard. It's bad industry bad standard. Okay okay very good. In my opinion I mean I'm only the one reading it. Anyone should set the tone for this industry to you for professional standards should be. I feel like we'd all feel really good. Let me ask you this. If you're reading a phone a number do you think it would be easier to read it numerically as you normally do or do you think it would be easier to read it written out numerically. Thank you the defense risk So well the separate Zeros from the letter o basically as white right out while it doesn't seem like the defense is going to be allowed arrest. Does it well. I guess I would be the prosecution more than the than the defense. If you ask a thousand people. What would be easier to read a phone the number numerically or written out here comes up stat? It would be ninety eight point nine percent there would be eleven people in a room out of a thousand thousand. That's high to eleven's a little. Thank you billy would Roy Roy and other defense rests again. Even though he's the prosecution reliance another one. Eight hundred is really standard though. It's not like anyone would say like eighteen hundred one. That's one Bo. Aw so still. Hasn't called us with George Brown Dan. It'd be booted up. You're you're right thank you. I appreciate appreciate it What is not so easy talking? What would you say his name? The way that Chris Cody likes to pronounce pronounce it of the Carolina. Panthers new billionaire owner CAPELA. Now it's temper and then it is temporary all go sit outside Chris. Sit in the penalty box. I know what happened there. Chris and I feel for you. Maybe a little information on the we're doing it. It became. It became a sports quiz which is not fair. It wasn't it was. It was not other talent. I I did tell you before I just said Chris I'm coming to you. Just say the name of the Carolina Panthers owner the way you say it That's how it happened. You said can you do the Stephen A. Peppers thing and then you throw a curveball. Adam which is. Hey well how do you like to say the owner of the Carolina Panthers and he doesn't know what that Dude's name is and he goes which is actually the name of a pass rusher not their own correct that is correct Also the name of Djibril Right. Yes thank you. So what are you doing back here. Already get out of here. Go sit down for two minute. It we are doing the show and you go sit in the penalty box and do the show in there. I don't need your help here. Thank you you just go sit outside because I asked you correct. I mean you're in there with Gregg I feel like we can use all the hand. No no no yeah. There's something I wanted to ask you guys before. Are we get. Why are you still here? G I lear- She's trying to help. Yeah Mike Ryan is going to give you all the people who have picked the Tennessee. Titans he has it in front of him. What's the website that you have is a lovely website? I didn't know existed call the NFL NFL. PICK WATCH DOT COM. That tells you. The exact percentage of who picks what and it lists them in terms of these experts and they use an air quotes. Because there's nobody knows anything. How does that work though? So stugatz comes on on Tuesday and he says I pick the chiefs and then on Wednesdays I picked the titans. Are they constantly updating this. I do believe they're. They're constantly updating it but some experts aren't on their for instance a lot of the ESPN experts that have their own dedicated. Did website don't appear on this but Meena competes in this. NFL picks thing for ESPN winning. Are they tracking and keeping records on. Who's good at it yet? Yeah they they I can tell you who the the best one has been the season with a little bit of time but right now last week Meena through two weeks in the playoffs the three five. She's generally been good at this but you'll be happy to note that not a single one of the. NFL experts picked the Tennessee. Titans that partake in this. ESPN expert poll. In fact only one expert deviated from a chiefs niner super bowl that would be seven year. NFL defensive back back and now ESPN NFL. Analyst Matt Bowen Who's going with a rematch of Super Bowl. One chiefs packers those records against the spread or or straight up straight up there. Picking Games right. They're just picking the winner straight up but according to NFL pick watch which doesn't limit me to just ESPN experts. I can rattle off off the NFL experts. Many of which you'll be hearing for the first time who that picked the Tennessee. Titans overall only eight percent of experts have selected the Tennessee titans as we recognize the name of our not many especially. Not Chris Cody because he can't even name. The panthers owner Christian de Andrea has picked the Tennessee Titan. Yeah we're all of his work. CBS sports it is John. Breach has picked Tennessee. Titans I know we're constantly talking about him James Brady. From SB. Nation has picked titans and Caylin collared has picked the Tennessee. Titans we now go to page two. This is thrilling radio. I just want to. I want the names I want. I does anyone else find it. Funny that all of us are eating at this predictions trough the laziest possible sports. Entertainment is just to to pick games when none of us are any good at it for real and bounce can change anything. I find it funny that we've got championship games being played this weekend. And you can't find anybody with a name. I recognize picking the tight. Well you obviously recognized jared bell from USA Today because he also picked the Tennessee NFC. Titans we move on now to page three. Because I don't want to do this and that was it. Yeah I said Galen caller so. That's it those are the names okay. So not very many people are picking the Titans Emmanuel does not appear on this list because he's not an NFL expert but on get up according to our sources picked Tennessee. Okay keep working for people and let. Let's smoke him out and see if we can put them in front of everybody. Doing it a little more sincerely than Roy just as here Roy Bellamy from ESPN has selected. Right it list so the thing that I wanted to ask you saw Chris. Cody what is the name of the owner of the Carolina. Panthers Pappas get out of here. y'All go sit outside again. What I wanted to ask you is given the Carolina? It is spending. They've got a they got a guy in charge. WHO's worth billions of dollars? He wants to get in the game. He is not treating this as a toy. He has Been quoted as saying look. I ain't here to be mediocre. He gets rid of the established Ron Rivera who has a lot of credibility and when Ron Rivera had his final press conference he gave us the best sound that Ron Rivera has ever given us in terms of defiance and pride and being bothered by the fact that he was fired but what they're trying to do there with a guy who is a bit of an innovator what they're trying to do there and this is. This is how hurt Ron Rivera was. By what the owner of the panthers did by firing him that he showed you a bit of Abrasive race of arrogance out of nowhere. The usually don't here in the coaching press conferences. Way when I arrived here in two thousand eleven thrilled for the opportunity so say that we wanted to bring him some gear back to San Diego but the team was coming off at fourteen season. And you really couldn't find any gear had been low. Now you walk into a grocery store you can find your you walk in a grocery store. You can see people wearing Luke Equalizer Christian McCaffrey Cam Newton Jerseys and I know I was part of the culture change when he was in the NFL and not to be taken lightly. I'm proud that I took over to fourteen team and won back to back to back. NFC Division titles South South Division titles. I WanNa read of assize. I'm proud that I took over to fourteen and one back toback tobacco see the emphasis won- three in a row. So what I wanted to ask you guys. Mike Ryan and the investigative team has found. They have found a name expert. Who was picking to the titans? We'll get that that in a second but given that they just went into Lsu and got the new innovator the guy who made borough borough the the new hot shot shot coordinator. God knows how much they had to pay to get him because that offense looked as overwhelming as anything we've seen in college and they're pairing him with a guy who had had multiple job offers in met rule and they give him the extraordinary contract for a rookie coach. Who's not urban Meyer? One of these hugely coveted collegiate collegiate candidates like seven years. Seventy million dollars to get the leadership right. I don't think that there is a job job available in football. That has a better possibility of rehabilitating a quarterback than this one. He's only thirty right like Cam Newton. Not He we. We are sort of dismissing him because his body is broken down the last couple of years but I would love to see Cam Newton. Something that's not as primitive live is the Ron Rivera. Seemed to be with Kelvin. Benjamin dragging his fat ass all over the field but the hot rumor now is why. Don't you package Cam. Newton and a Bevy of picks to Cincinnati and get Joe Burrow. Because you know Joe Brady Joe Boura. Doesn't that assume that Cincinnati wants to win. They don't care about winning they care about Running they don't care about winning. You can't prove to me that the bengals care about winning. They are the only team in the sport. That doesn't care about winning. Yeah I don't they wouldn't make that move. I don't think they would keep. They would take burrow because he's going to be cheaper first few years it would be a bengals move though to give up the hotshot a quarterback to get a guy who may or may not be broken. I just I like to look at that and wonder what it is. That those guys if you've got a new billionaire trying to use new math to try and get had a quarterback there's many jobs available. The jobs that are available. Don't have good quarterbacks. That's the way generally works. That's why they're available. You want your name. Brand analysts analysts. That pick the Tennessee titans after the draft kings rate. You just give it to us us. 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"Torna china? Accordingly. On be. I cannot wait. This album, the new vampire weekend, they released two songs. And both of them are great that's Jenny Lewis, by the way, saying boy, that's her voice Walters. Twenty twenty one the new album is coming out soon. I'm assuming Jenny loose in another little like duo thing that she did. I know is we're very happy about the new music. That is coming out. We always aren't happy to share that with you. Thanks, all of our fans who come to us and say, I love the music that you plan. The you want to get a fantastic playlist from our favorite songs from last year. Listen to the music episode that we did it's a few episodes from January and then follow a Jew, Mr. j logic and on apple play playlists get the app playlists from this year and last year from two thousand eighteen two thousand seventeen they're both unbelievable. Many hours of great music where the Sklar brothers view from the cheap seats. We have a wonderful show today. Our buddy who is a big sports fan and amazing legendary comedian Dom era if you don't. You go back and watch his appearances on Dr cats their incredible. He was of course, the limo driver in the big lebowski. He was in Hollywood shuffle. And he was fantastic in that. He's just a tremendous. He's been on Seinfeld. Just a great great comedian big time sports fan gambler. We'll talk about that. But first a big time baseball move happened. This this past week, and it's one we were sort of sitting on a waiting on. Where was way somewhere? Where's Bryce Harper going to go? I actually thought he was going to come to the dodgers ran, and I both had a strong the Yankees initially. I thought that was so any ended up going to the Phillies which on some level. I'm psyched that he didn't come to a big market team that just through tons of money at him. He went to a smaller market team that through tons of money at him. Well, Philly's out a smaller market on it's. Yeah. It's the oddest Milwaukee to me is as big of a market is Boston lays out for their players. But tell me this had he. Onto a team. Like the brewers who got close last year. You have the pitching who have a lot of pieces. Like that would have been the kind of thing that you're like, okay. He just turned Milwaukee into a potential power out exiting Milwaukee's gonna be there. Again this year. I think Milwaukee and the Braves this is the thing about him going from the NATs to the Phillies, I just trade uniforms to another team that's gonna maybe making the blouse, but not make it to the World Series three hundred and thirty million dollars for thirteen years. I don't know he's going to be like in thirteen years Z young guy. But like do we know what he's going to be like is he gonna be productive eight thirty two in the last five years of his career is he gonna be that productive or you just going to be easy just spending money with like the bulls steel. Yeah. Or or who's the guy who just got paid like just kept getting paid money? Yeah. Just still every year from the Mets. Yeah. Is that ridiculous? You good for him is great for him. But it, but there is this moment where you say, what are you trying to? Establish with your legacy. Do you wanna walk around the world and say wanna walk around the world number one? Do you wanna walk idea? Juna walk around in this world and say, I'm the best baseball player that ever walked the planet. I don't know if he can even save that is he a my I'm the best home run hitter that ever played the game on the best baseball game. I'm the most winningest player I was on the the most winning or do you want to say, I'm the high the highest? I'm the highest paid player of all time because there's a lot of pressure that comes with that on by the way when my truck it's contract and another year or two he'll be the highest paid player. So you won't be the highest, but you the highest paid player now for now for now. But there is that moment where you say why what are you trying to do with your legacy because you have it in your hands? When you're that good. You have options. It's not like he's going to go to another team where he could conceivably be the peace that they need and go win a couple World Series. It's not like he's not going to get paid. So they offer him a hundred and eighty million dollars for five years, and you don't want to go. It's a very odd position that we're in right now. And it it's interesting because I was thinking about it ran in a weird way. In the context of the league for seven years. K he's got six hundred ten hits fine. Sorry nine hundred twenty two hits. That's ten runs. Nine hundred eighty hits. His is a hundred and eighty four home runs six. So it's almost got two hundred home runs those thirteen more years. You know? All right. He'll probably hit five six hundred home runs, but his Philly. You know is Philly the team that's going to get you across the finish line and win World Series. Because once you got the money, and once you've got the staff than the other thing you want is World Series. So put this in the context of LeBron of LeBron's decision to come to LA because I read a great article LeBron later in his career. This is the he's kind of picking the landing spot at the end. He's he had his nine years of productivity of Bryce Harper was in the World Series nine years and won three of them. We wouldn't be sitting here saying, no, what's he doing? But there is a thought because I think LeBron was in Cleveland for how many years before he went to Miami. Something similar Phillies. Philly had a decent year last year. Okay. Were outplayed by upstart Braves team that nobody thought the rookies we're going to do what they did. But like Philly was was was on knocking on the door. They had a good run for what they've got some great pieces to okay, they do and it could be the right choice. But it does feel like he made a choice that wasn't a hundred percent about baseball. It was a little bit more about money. And I think LeBron made a choice. Similarly that wasn't one hundred percent about basketball and put me in the best city position win. It was let me be out here for my production company. Let me be out here. So my kids can go to crossroads and then some day may become play with me. You know, like it was a lifestyle outside of basketball. Yeah. Basketball did Michael Jordan make any of the choices like that. No. So there you go. There's the wanted to win. He didn't he didn't give a shit about his kids know still doesn't still doesn't. But like those are getting so maybe LeBron made a healthier in general life decision. Maybe Bryce Harper made a healthier to set up his grandkids and his grandkids grandkids healthier financial decision. But when you think about the pure sports decision. I don't know. Philly was the best call him. I of course, thinking should have come to the cardinals. So Philly has is this true. They've got Andrew mccutchen. Yup. Older. But still can do it Nola. Who is actually a really pretty good pitcher. Yeah. Okay. He's a really good pitcher. Yeah. Res Hoskins this dude. I actually really think he's Jake Arrieta. So they have peace. They do have pieces. I mean, it's reminiscent of the year to me. So. He could be like Howard was for Phillies for the Phillies in as years. We're Howard was just Michael Franko. They got play Nick pa- Vada. Remember when he was a decent pitcher yet. But what I'm saying ran is member that year, they went out, and they got cliff -ly. Yeah. And they had that ROY halladay how may rest in peace, and they had Lee Halliday and who else they had another left. Then Hamill can't call him. Cole hamels. Great name for Felli, Bryce Harper. So they had those three they had those three starting pitchers, and they're like, no one's gonna stop this team. We're gonna pitch their way right into the World Series. And then they came up against the buzzsaw that was the cardinals and Chris carpenter and all of a sudden they were done in a five game series and their first series of the playoffs. It was I we watched that series that was two thousand eleven if someone gets hot and is what I'm saying anything's possible. Someone gets hot. That's what's going to happen. It's true for baseball team gets hot all of a sudden players can emerge that you know, in rookie seasons, you know, hitters emerge and pitchers. Don't know how to pitch them yet. So they have that rookie season. They become a piece I little bit little bit of that happened for Atlanta. So you can't Philadelphia. You didn't you sign Bryce Harper. You won the Bryce Harper sweepstakes. I don't know if it's going to immediately translate into World Series wins. I think Bryce Harper again can Mike trout. Learn from what Bryce Harper did like, what's he gonna do is going to stay an angel and kind of be forgotten and be the best player that never really went anywhere is Mike trout going to be like I'll go to the Houston Astros. Turn them into a dynasty there. Already. Amazing. Let me do that. Let me add another crazy bat, and and or go to the Yankees or go to the Yankees, go to the dodgers stay in town. Keep my house. That's also a possible to keep my house, and then build another house on top of my house could be a great H E TV show. I think could be it's all about professional athletes who trying to play for another team in their city. When it's when their contract is up, and it's all about hiring someone to redo their house to make it more nicer because they just got a new contract. All right. We'll pitch it. We'll see what happens when we come back from break. We're gonna talk to Dahmer era. Dr Ferrara our buddy, he's such a good, dude. Who's this man? This is Krung been I love these guys Komai careless crime. It sounds like that mix of snack mix that you can get it a bar where the has sesame stay. It's got sesame sticks. It's got some pretzels that don't really taste like pretzels. It's got some cheese things go to the back and put some in the bull. Someone scoop me some Krung van and throw it in here. We're thrown in for you Dahmer's next this view from the cheapies. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to view from the cheap seats. Our guest is just a lovely, man. Someone we love to talk sports with every time. We do the moon tower comedy festival which will be doing again, which I'm sure you'll be doing again, I won't be doing. You're not why this year get a big money gig. Money money, gigging, Dom, I rare one of our favorite people. I just my wife was like who do you have on the podcast today? And I just have you ever seen? What's the river towns and movie that I loved you in so my Hollywood shuffle. No, no, Robert, they're tearing the words out of my heart. No, I just played like the one of your doctor, cats episodes. And and we just literally sat well watching it on a tiny phone in our bedroom. And both of us were just dying laughing guy from the thought of the talk. If you just came up with that phrase in your lifetime you've done. You said can I dye with this job? I'd you here. We is there a ways coming. I'd I from this. And you're like if I talk about it, can I die from it. Can I die from the thought of the talk? I used to be funny. You were so fun day rare. Era. Thank you Darfur era for being here. It's so good to have you. Philly fan, Philly born and bred is my friends. So are you how are you feeling Felli fan fell? Philadelphia. Phil you swallow all of your L at while while fifth and look yourself watery agreeing but would rice gino's your pats can't do that accent too close to me, but doesn't year? So, but I feel like your New York. But I didn't realize you were Phil everybody 'cause you're at talion. Why addition for this Showtime thing once it was it doesn't matter. It was big and big cable thing at the time. I was like go excited. This guy says the museum was Ben hill. And he's been. I was London at four years old. He said, look man, and you were good book. We can't use you to New York. You know, everything you say, you sound New York, New York. I will actually I'm from ability and says I said that he didn't even look at me he turned around and just walked away. Thanks for the cars. You you son of just turned on his heel and do it. Well, if you were Phillies sports fan one of the biggest things that happened. Just having this morning, Bryce Harper. Now, what do you do three hundred and forty million dollars, which is what you got for your last down special? So you know about that kind of that get. Shouldn't be believe. But that's thirteen years telling us the money like this. Like how poor we all. Are is baseball players some ridiculous target on the guy. Yeah. I mean, or you know, why they tell you. So that you can measure out how disappointing you're going to be with the guy when you don't when you don't go do better than a lot of pressures a lot of pressure. If you don't if you hit to sixty. I mean, he the lifetime to seventy one which by the way, but baseball's changed like member back in the day. When guys would hit three fifty three sixty three seven or George Brentwood like flirt with four hundred and the season. Tony Gwynn would flirt with it late in the season now, but Ted Williams is the last one to do. But it was this is what we used to say how many hits did those guys get in the seventh and eighth inning against starting pitching that other teams just left in. Now, you got a guy comes in the seven special guy who comes in the eighth a guy who comes in the eighth to pitch to left handed hitters. Mr. But yes, so no, do you think that's actually going to help the Phillies because if he's close they didn't have a bad team last year. But is this the type of the in the puts it over the edge for them? Well, it certainly going to packed the stands, and you know, I it should help them. I mean, be you know, how this game is no matter what you buy and how much you pay you need pitching you need pitching. Phillies have as their pitcher. I mean, look it up by the Utah. Also, you need guy. This is the thing that happens on championship teams. You need a guy who you don't know yet is going to be a guy you need that guy to sort of emerge. Whether it be a pitcher whether be a young pitcher, some all of a sudden guy goes out, he's he suddenly fourteen in one just because that year, he doesn't even have the best stuff in the world. Guys, don't know him, and they can't sneaky delivery, or whatever it is. He doesn't have to throw one hundred five yet. Jake Arrieta as good pitchers from the cubs. How much does that average out to a year? You guys got Andrew mccutchen Andrew coaching JT rail mood till you know, you guys for the car you got. Like that. It's kind of condescending. Cardinals fans. Look we cardinals made a gr- in our own right? Short of Bryce Harper. The colonel's picked up Paul Goldschmidt who's going to be a fantastic pickup. And maybe less less pressure than a guy who's got three has to get in the hall of fame that kind of money thirty Lou doesn't a disappointment that deal. It reminds me of is the pool. Whole steel to host got ten years. Two hundred forty was older. He had already been in the league for ten years harvest been Italy for what five six how many years he's young? How many years is Bryce are a look, I guess. Guess. Yell at him. We excited about the eagles winning do that make you happy. Well, I was excited for the people Philadelphia I've gotten into gambling more, and I really root for whoever I bet on how much pain what he put on a couple of hundred. In a bet that you put on sporting event seven hundred key name for me five from your old neighborhood names of five bookies that used to run stuff in the old neighborhood in Jimmy to woman, Jimmy. Potatoes. But Jimmy the woman I wrote this. These guys are talking about over here as bit about the gosh himself Philly, and it was Joey bag a dawn's Jimmy woman. Nikki and people still ask me for that. And I'm trying so hard to be creative in new, of course. I just love that. Okay. You do that. And then was not even like a joke name in people. But it was funny because it was authentic of the way you say the names because it's almost like a roast when you row somebody. There's love behind it. It's even that much more funny. So you're making fun of these guys for the ridiculously stupid names, you're exaggerating. The and maybe we're, but you're doing it away. And you say it with love there's love in there. There's love so you get. So you spent you spent a couple hundred bucks on the on the eagles game. You want some money? I well. Yeah. You know, what it was? I bet the first half heavy, and it was really a great feeling to have won. Even if I lost the game. So I just had this feeling. I was I was doing Brad GARRETT'S club. Yeah. And. Did you plan to do it over the Super Bowl? Yeah. Yeah. You wanna be there? What we usually watch it together. But last years Brad Kip getting a series after series. How do you like his club? It's clo-. Yeah. We've never done it. Never brilliant racing. You talk to Harry basil that factory or Brad sheriff. Maybe you could maybe have a little ping pong game fix. Me make me look good in front of the good. Yeah. You were great for the tomato cans. So let me ask you this. Do you think betting because you've been around sports around Betty beddings been kind of this thing? Not now there's betting all over sports so stupid that they're making it legal. It's like making pot legal. Do you know any? I don't smoke pot. But do you know anybody that goes wanna smoke some notes I would? But it's against the law. You know what I mean? Nobody does that does that we the people who wanted to better betting any the Pentagon would have a football pool. Kidding? Yeah. Fantasy is its own sort of side. That's too much work for me. Okay. But it's still a way for people to put money into situation. There's already one professional sports team in Vegas when the NFL comes to Vegas raiders. What do you think? Good bad doesn't matter. Well, if they can gamble all over, I guess doesn't matter Vegas has to compete different ways. Now with restaurants and entertainment because now that the raiders Philadelphia people don't even want to go to Atlantic City because they can gamble in the city now. Yeah. That's right. On the gambling. Remember from New York, you get ten dollars for ten dollars. You get on the bus ten dollars worth of Chen or the chips. They take it out on the bus you go to Atlantic city's lose it. And then you spend more. And then you go on back Minna friend of mine with oh, we were so smart. It was from Sacramento Torino. We'll go to Reno, but they wouldn't let us take our suitcases by because they knew then they know we're just using those. Now, we had to leave shoot cases somewhere and still going to Reno Reno and you make some money did a little I did. I what do you do? What do you do? What? What what I I I'm such a. Channel what you're? Say that don't say don't say stewardess. I say flight attendant giant. I don't say say the guy who drags Asian man off of United flights. That was great. I had to look to make sure it wasn't you? I'm being honest right now. Oh, no. I looked somebody said I was doing that rose. Bruce willis. Yes. Are great on fantastic. Thank you. And somebody said look like Margaret Margaret show now. And I said why are you gonna put more drag her? Shot margaret. After I saw that. I did I lose. I lost some way. I mean, I get my eyes fixed. You like after I saw that I stopped being a lesbian. Get them fixed honest to God, I'm afraid I'm afraid of getting surgery around my eyes. Great fantastic. I don't to have that surprised. Look all the time. When they mess up. Great. Oh, good. Where you're about tell story though. Okay. So you, yeah, we're we're we were talking about when you go into the casino. What you play. I actually play video poker anything that. I can't bother people because I'm always getting hollered out by those best five. I always forget keep your hands off the table. You can't be Candida. So I just walked away from sports. I love sports is the least amount of money they make they just they had the sports too. Sports brings it in because the comedy it's like the sports because you place, essentially, one bet I mean, you can do multiple profits and things of that essentially plays the have to way for the game Dan to find out. Put some money over here. I'll do something over here. We're half time. I'll walk around. I wanna watch the casinos are great place to watch major. I I don't understand people who bet on the Rams. I just don't understand like you got Bill check and Brady and all these winds and come on. And who knows what Kraft is up to lately just talking to someone before? Little bugger. Let's get back into what we're talking about about about your sports fan. And let's talk about like have you been like in the height of your sort of? Let's say in the eighties in the heat of the off of the HBO specialist were you going to like Lakers games on the Lakers were your out here. I went with the manager and Jeff Wald and who's married Helen reading just for background. And he said to me he was interviewing me manage me. And I didn't really I never really I never really cared that much. Honestly, it was defense mechanism or what? But I never and he said all this stuff about getting me this and that I'm listening like bullshit. Remember, then he goes, and I can get you like at least eight tickets on the floor at the Lakers was the Magic Johnson Showtime. Yeah. And he said I said I'm in. Guy fucked your career, so but at least you got to lose. Tickets. Yeah. It was unbelievable. Unbelievable. You can hear them in the huddle. You could hear Riley you serious because he had the screaming. You know, how good was like kareem's old by then. But how good was Magic Johnson James worthy hug. Good that that six foot nine team in the could run. Yeah. Everybody was six nine because they would put Michael kuprin instead of who's the guard. Guys got my God. They were good. There was so freaking fast too. And they just ran they did they were just a team that was like we're not going to set up in a half court offense here. We're just gonna go go go, and they were just so fun. There was so was perfect for LA to the Kareem. I don't know why he doesn't get the credit. I think he doesn't get the credit because he's so big. He just sold a bunch of his like I heard about that. Isn't that sad? I mean, every time you hear about this. Lebron Michael Jordan thing at least mentioned him once in a while. Sorry, not gonna do it. You know? I think people think he's not even the greatest Laker center of all time people like shack was so much more overpowering. But what you don't realize was that. Yes shack was overpowering. But if you hacked him on the floor, you you could you can neutralize him some Kareem sky, he'll do us indefensible, you cannot defend that shot. And I think people's say that cream, you know, in the same way, would you call Wilt Chamberlain, a Laker. I feel like he's. More of a seventy six or am. I right. I don't think cream is more of a buck. He's not more of a buck. But this best years, and he came in as a buck any Julius Erving at his best years, I know ABA ABA, but I was saying that Kareem was on that bucks team that stopped the Lakers thirty three. Yeah. Amazing. Unbelievable. She take a break. Yeah. Let's take a break. We'll take a break, and I'm gonna keep going. Everything. Talking down. My rare is with us. This is from the chief seats so happy to have him here. We've got some good crickets and then later on the show, we're going to talk to obviously after the failed North Korean summit would need to check him when Dennis Rodman and see what he has to say. That's later on the show. This is August tenth this is Krung been love these guys from Houston. We'll be right back. Guys. Welcome back to the show. We have Dahmer era with winter when can people catch you next when you do in life stuff next? To see it down dot com tomorrow night. So what about? What get like are you doing road dates when we're doing? I have Vegas coming up with the left factory. Great marched a place called the black box. Book return great second week of March. Go see him, please. Lastly, it is so joyful to watch. You do a set of comedy and makes me so happy. And so for all of our listeners, go see him be the be the people in the front rows. Yeah. Thank you. It's the only time in my life. I'm relaxed really really I had such a nervous things -iety getting here and being late and here. So we got you know, worry I will just be late to pick up my daughter and she'll never forget. Standing on the street. Are you a wrestling fan? Do you watch WWE WWF? Do you ever watched watched the? Joe's in go. UFC here. This story happened hall fame. WWF wrestler turned porn actress, which I guess that's in. That is a seems like it. Yeah. I think the porn is like a soft landing from the WWE. It's sort of like if you were to put like a light like a feather mattress down on the thing. Katie critically, no, beautiful, groceries, comedian, very funny, and she's Vegas. And she said she was going out with porn star. And he came in I go, hey of stores heading because I watch for. What he is. He's he's hard working stiff. He's a he's a journeyman hard-working stamp on here. She was arrested on her six drunk driving charge after wrong way, stop in seaside heights that you gotta go to jail for hall of fame. Fresh wrestler has several run ins with the law over the past years resi forgive by seaside heights. We're seaside heights. That's in North Atlantic city. Okay. Tom's river tomorrow tamra forty six year us of Middletown who went by the ring name of sunny during her days the world. Wrestling federation was arrested after she said, we stopped at six thirty pm. That's early to get drunk driving. How long have you been drinking to make six thirty PM the time? He gets get six. You're an idiot, right. That's just Uber. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, I got one and that was enough for me. One on you six. Shame on me. Where was it? It was. Right before you get coin get changes from Ventura. He and the cop recognize me. I've gotten out of many of them because people recognize mushy like in any kind of way like big lebowski will they just? Yeah. Seinfeld thing. Yeah. Yeah. But guys he actually said, I gotta tell you. I'm a big fan of yours. And as I said, we're pantley big enough. All right, outstanding traffic Warrenton from the holmdale holmdale police for fifteen hundred dollars any Knowlton police for thousand I can't if one of my bills of month late. I get I get nervous. Yeah. Give drive around five hundred dollars outstanding bills. She's gonna pay warrants Lawrence. She's released from jail failing to appear in court failing to appear in court. All right out this one it takes balls. Woman now Jackson's has now has had I'm sorry for her. Do you know she said to me that the judge said this really kind of spooked me, she goes end your stay. I had the sign of thing that if I was drinking in accident, and they died. Tahoma sign. Wow. Di did you have to deal with the thing? We have to blow into a thing. No, I didn't get that bad. D you is under the so that means suspended license. They spend my license, but I didn't know it. So I was driving for a year license, and then I found out two weeks before it was up. So I took a cab for two weeks getting worked out scores grade. This next year. I'm really not sure to be mad at honestly, I wanna figure this out with you. I don't know who to be mad at him this story restaurant under fire for Robert Kraft sandwich. Okay. So we already. Sandwich. It's kinda sneaky little sneaky trough meat sauce. They put an egg roll in about the dinosaur barbecue is coming. Under fire for social media post in which it advertise limited menu item that called the Robert Kraft sandwich, which poke fun at the involvement of the owner in the million patriots in the alleged prostitution human trafficking company restaurant in Syracuse, New York, of course, it's in New York attracted a backlash after posting the offer on its official Facebook and Twitter feeds saying that purchases would benefit the local McMahon. Ryan children advocates advocacy Santa. Why are they getting 'cause they wanna try and attach it to something? Like, oh, you don't like children. Okay. Let's take the craft sandwich. 'cause you wanna see these this week only seven to Syracuse dinosaur to get the Robert Kraft, aka the jerked in pulled chicken sandwich. Now. That's funny. Chicken chicken pulled chicken, pork, pork. I think it's funny. We're not going to say I'm not saying I used to do a bit like that very close. Really what was your clue? Here's what I'm saying. If if the money goes towards, and you get all the money for the Sam, and you give some money back towards like organizations that fight human trafficking. Then I'm on board with better than it being a baby carrot. You know what I'm saying? Like that would be a that's an insult to craft. At least this is sort of truthful to what happened then so much. So they mentioned this. And then the McMahon Ryan child advocacy center had to issue a statement because they did the stupid promotion of the the craft sandwich. They said though, we appreciate the support of that so barbecue and their agents. We respectfully ask you remove this social media post cannot accept donations from this post is a disservice to our mission and support the clients research human trafficking, should not be taken lightly. Thank you. This post does not honor or support the victims of Mr. crowd at no time. Not. Statement. They thought here we are helping kids. Now, we gotta make steel. Do you think he knew that he knew was human trafficking? I don't think he knew really don't think you were saying he's into the dirty -ness of it. I think the dirtiness of it being, hey, this is like common man, he probably down into this play. I like you hear stories of Leonardo DiCaprio in disguise going to burning man and just walking around burning man like he could be a normal human being. So maybe this brand remember you grant with the support of Robert Trat, Robert Kraft, like a regular human being was chauffeured up in a blue Bentley fifty or. We all do. But that's the way it goes. So you're saying take sandwich off. I don't know who to be mad at who. Should I be mad? Don't be mad at that. The people they have to come out and denounce it. But if if I were them I did ounce it, and then all the money. Pete Rose has the religion Pete Rose has the religious right on his side. Bribes Pete Rose. I mean, we heard some stuff about Pete Rose in an episode little bit ago about five from Pat Barker, you know, they have stuff on Pete Rose. Like he would apparently allegedly he would call out fifteen and sixteen year old girls to be brought back to the clubhouse for the who. What parents don't know where you're fifteen and sixteen year old girls are I mean, I get that. It's the seventies. And maybe you don't know what's come on. This should be a true detective about that Charlie sham. Chilly shampoos. This is by the way from website called right wing watch. The fact that it's part of my cookies now in my computer, I don't even know what to do Pete Rose will enter the hall of fame. Charlie sham says as a sign of Christ's imminent, return self-proclaimed so out here. Here now south acclaimed profit, Charlie shampoo, you know, sheen Charlie sham is amid a mixture of Charlie Sheen and ship shouldn't. The force do appeared on the Jim Bakker show today where he couple of days ago recounted divine vision, he claims was given in which God told him that former professional baseball player Pete Rose would be forgiven. An in dozen the baseball hall of fame as a sign of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. God also said that Harold Baines was with steak right now. I think that's too much time on God's got actually. Good. Champ compl- claim that he was taken in the spirit and brought to a stadium which began to shake where he was told by God that such an event will take place. We're joking about this. What if when Moses talked to the burning Bush, there was a version of podcast happening in Egypt or the Sinai peninsula repair? Like, yeah. Right. You talk to this guy is talking about a Bush burning and we're supposed to believe this shit. What was the Millbrook smooth? If he had fifteen in the world. I gave you fifteen crash. Chefs have the God, then took him back to Candlestick Park in San for Brooks. Not enough not a little bit. Just Madame recent brilliant ninety three and still fun. Wait, hang on second sham of God took him back to Candlestick Park in San Francisco. What that has to do with Pete Rose. I have no idea. Well, you know candlestick where the giants don't play right? When it was hit by an earthquake during the World Series navy on which was also the year in which the gambling scandal involving roses revealed which eventually resulted in rose being banned from baseball and deemed permanently eligible for the hall of fame champ. Then claimed God took him to another stadium in Cincinnati, Ohio. We saw man standing in red rose played for okay? I said who is this large hamper? So basically, Jim Baker can't get any guests. He's like you gotta story about Biros as you go. Dumb. Fuck. Anyway, said this is this. The man's a past time here on America said who is it? lorD' said Pete Rose, he said ninety nine there was a massive scandal that took place with Pete Rose. And he said and even to this day he has not been allowed to enter the hall of fame. But he says as prophetic sign he said that the Lord will redeem and allow him to be for ethnic, or pathetic pathetic. What do you think you buying this you buying this? Full of it. Right. And there's no way any of this happened to maybe even a dream. I doubt that he drink. Maybe Sakata, I hope we can only hope he psychotic but come on Pete Rose does not belong in the hall of fame. And the fact that you're backing now actually bumps down the list a little bit to hall of fame one for guys who played by the rules. And then one who did whatever they did doesn't matter disgraced players wing. How about that? Nobody I agree with him. I think should be a separate hall of fame. They should have a bar should be shaved strip club strip club on the way and McDonald's drive-thru around the side hall of shame right next to the hall of fame. I like it. Can we do this? Let's do it Dahmer. I think you should do this. All right. There you go Dahmer. Are you on Twitter are you on what dominant Instagram Dom IRA forget what you get me. Those search for it. Google rains looking up those I don't know is this thing on this thing on dot org. I think the Instagram. I look we're living in hope that's the name of the song Dahmer rare. Thank you for joining us. I love being around you. It's great to be here. Okay. We love you. Come back after the break. Dumber at Moreira goods. What Twitter Instagram Twitter Twitter at he just said, that's what my space. All right Dahmer back with. The other side of this on the road. And he was amazing. We'll check it out. Right. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the show. We as promised are gonna get Dennis Rodman on the horn Dahmer air decided to stick around. He did the suits calling. We're calling Dennis right now with the Bruce Willis rose were very fun. Thank you. My brother. Dennis horry. It's the Sklar brothers who've got Dahmer rare with us right here. Who down you're on a rose? Yeah. You'd be the Bruce Willis with him. Yeah. I'm gonna take time. Good guy guy. He's a good guy Kim Jong UN is not guys. Not a good person where I'm from your perspective. Okay. From where I sit. He is he is your BS that this guy cord light. Okay. Now. Dennis. I want to talk about this letter. You wrote because it says very in very big letters at the top from the desk of Dennis k Rodman. Do you have on a desk? I have I went to. Because I didn't have a guest obviously in the storm drain. Okay. Kinda but I'm gonna talk. Okay. And Carson okay in Carson. Okay. I've got an I got y you know, that that you can go to where they have like stuff that people brought back and just kind of jank up. Whatever got the used. Buddy. Yeah. It's no, no nothing. The worm straight up playing forward worm guest. Okay. Can I read your letter that was said, and maybe you can help us decipher what it says? Dear President Trump I figured you'd know him a little bit better. And maybe say, dear John donning. Dear Donald dear dumb. Donald hold on. Hold on already already. You often be by by by read. And my voice would Joe voice. I will read it to you. Okay. I write today as your embassador of goodwill. Okay. That's not the place where you take a course or use ghetto. That's not good with different. I know what? I know what it. As your as your staff is aware based on the discussion, you have my continue strong commitment locate. That's what I'm saying. There is I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I will not I will not waffle. This is hard for us those. We know what that means. No. On purpose. Because sometimes my words, you know, people don't they don't get them a level. Okay. My continue. This is where it gets out. Are you going to get choked up? He's ended the whole this might continue friendship, which chairman Kim. Okay. That's jungle, but I called him chairman. Okay. Just like Sinatra. He's the chairman of the board. It remains. See cry. The way it is the friendship that I could I you to continue to use for our nation's benefit. Okay, right there. Don't do it. To great cause something bigger than one Spock. The okay Denise on a mini outweighed in these Spock. Okay, rebounding and knowing your role on the team on the bull. Gosh, right. That's right. Okay. So they're not paying I said, I look forward to the net on you so much, and we got a lot of work to do and the important. I said you are on the cusp okayed. I mean, he's right on the edge. About big beautiful deal like auditor, and I want to get that in here. So he that connect with. But okay would make you the front runner. That makes you really gonna start to get emotional right now. Nobel a Nobel peace prize. Okay. Okay. And then I said, I said, Mr President chairman Kim, I wish you nothing. But a look your your friends. Always. And I did it. Even put the word is. I told you I said I would be there. And I was there. But nothing happened. You couldn't save it from falling apart. Though course, they didn't let me in the room. Okay. I should've been in the room is in. Let's start you hanging out. What were you doing outside? I was with them. Brought him. Ambassador to me. Okay. Who get to? Any plans is your fishing show in Australia with Luke Longley gonna get picked up. Again, we cook it to be idiots picked up. We took it to be at Phnom. Okay. While they were doing the summit we will on that game dome. Whenever river, and we were doing episode of the hook off hook. River. Just like, it's just like crazy. And then all of a sudden we put up. Okay, we both Toni Kukoc. Who got his head shaved Colonel okay occurred and just going crazy and talking about Chris stops by Tango. Zing. It's real quick hang Indian casinos. And I'm working go. Yes. So real quick just real quick. Just tell down because I don't think he's heard this. And then. Okay. So tell him real quick your your idea for Rummy worms. And let's see if he if he likes it. All right. Explain it to great so. Yeah. And they're going to sell these at single resort where he allow changes. It is basically a gummy worm for children just field with rum. So we're Rummy worm. And because I'm the worm and it got the gummy worms. I get. Yeah. So I will give you a free box. Okay. And a crate of that s vodka. We got the field. They they can't get an ultra free. We've got like thirty forty boxes. Can I ask him one question? Having a friend that has nuclear weapons, I don't have any friends like that won't friend that has a hunting rifle. First of all he's got those as a means of defense. Okay. All the countries over there. Land owners in the Philippines. Trying to like zero an answer is like man, I need one bullet in the chamber, and he don't even use that Dhamma Rura. Okay. View tire. We'll keep checking out. Unbelievable. We wanna thank you for being on the show. Of course, we wanna thank everyone follow us on. If you can't follow us on Twitter. We're at squad rather false on Instagram. We're at scholars at Dahmer era on both Instagram and Twitter. Hey, we're going to be a douse at the end of this month will be there at Dallas will be the twenty third plane Fort Worth hyenas on Thursday downtown Dallas hyenas two shows on Friday and then two shows the plano highness on Saturday night. It's a fun little around the metropolitan I twenty twenty third of March. We'll be there. And then. They're the best man. I love you moon tower will be moon tower this year end of April in Austin. And then we're going to Bloomington. 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Hour 2: Slammin' It!

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Hour 2: Slammin' It!

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Be Allowed to wear a clothes pin on his nose. Elia when we smear cat food on his face and a little bit but he already told me Mike he told me he suffers suffers from gird. stugatz I do suffer from gird. I'm GonNa Miss mcgillicuddy. He's trying to fax over an and an injunction to prevent me from doing it. Because I do suffer from guard at the digestive reflux disease. Gerd like Gerd. Mueller the former for soccer player from Germany and You know it's it's a serious thing you know whether you're eleven about it or not. VC's Donlevatar show with his two guys it's only SPN radio ESPN. Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. That's two dollars pick from a range of coverage options with the name your price tool to find a price that works for you guests on the Dan Le Batard show appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance. Actually that's the maximum fine. That's five dollars clearing your throat into the microphone is the the maximum finds it. So when you're done there you oh five. 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The panthers announcer Sir who was just dropping inexplicably random pop culture references into gold calls during Florida Panthers Games and recently Jorges Sodano and is he good air although they haven't done it nearly enough lately they're slacking. I've not seen them on the sideline reports dropping in phrasing for for our show listeners. Where you just get these little Easter eggs? These little nuggets that if you're watching Saddam did on sportscenter with Neil Evert and just turned to the camera with just this mischievous grin on his face as they went to break because he was proud of himself for sneaking in an Easter Egg for our audience. But there's a there are a couple of guys is young guys They are coming after Sodano and easy in a way. That's embarrassing is to be embarrassing. Sodano in is because is there just polluting the things that they're doing with all manner of show references so mike this latest guy here. I'm not sure how young guy now this sports director is less Yang. Yeah but Mike O.. Donnell is one of those play-by-play guys that you can often see on. ESPN PLUS IN ESPN three calling games. And he'll do show references but randall all Does an amazing job in the sound comes. Courtesy of W. E. H. T. in Evansville. Indiana were huge in the heartland. He's does is evening newscasts and he See if you can catch the show references in just this short clip here. Everybody glad to be here with you tonight. Rock and on the winds day later on in the half ace is cranking up the defense. That's the benefits with the still slamming. It bossy wins. This one tonight and triple overtime talk about that. Seventy five seventy four is Miller the man to get the program back into the national spotlight. It's not an easy answer. But she know what maybe not surprising that the only one that cody laughed at his his own because his less his level of self involvement mm-hmm and knows no bounds. It really doesn't I mean that's quite the accusation. We're only playing things people do. When it's saying things that we say this is it's all very self involved agreed and I'm just jealous that none of my phrases are ever used but Greg cody only laughs at the things that involve him you only get his attention. Honestly I wait. What would be your college kids is it? Hey seward Scott would've appreciated this when he was around the go-to criticizing traction and you got a lot of applause. Like where were you the last seventeen times he had this tape. It's Word Association. Can't come up without it. Wait a minute you have me doing. Play by play broadcast and delivering say. Wait a minute. The Ace's playing very good defense the frontier and also where was all this love for Stuart Scott. When he was alive sure he would've loved to have seen ads the challenges he's going to have to work crat in now? Yes I agree. It is easier to say slamming. Greg Cody does not yet have a name for his podcast. Ask He is. He's got a podcast coming out. I had a fairly revelatory conversation with Greg before the show because because Greg is so self involved that he really thinks he's just gonNa turn on a microphone and there will be a one hundred thousand people there like. That's that's what he thinks is going to happen. Refer to me as self involved in just a neutral matter of fact way as if it's just a given but listen a real quality take anyone who listens to you on. This show knows you. Don't follow any of the rules around here because look at what just happened the last segment. We've been trying to get you to follow o'clock here for how long and I just sat in this room as Greg. Cody and Roy had the following conversation. Greg Cody says Roy. You're the one who hits me with that Horn aren't you and Roy comes in here and says well Greg as you know. We've had a hard network out here for several years and then Roy volunteers. Also that's the nineteen eighty six islanders goal score which I did not know nineteen ninety-six goal my bad it. Sounds like a goal horn Regardless Greg Cody can't be bothered when he's talking to notice anything else other than that he's talking. That's why you always falls for you. Guys think that he's in on it he's never in on it. The reason he always loses track of time is because of that self involvement and and the fact that you intentionally lead me into the horn. I didn't that time. Well you didn't give me much time. It's a part of it though. Twelve second that's all the nuances of the air as thank you. I mean it's not real complicated. You know it's just a three hour netflix special. Okay so what is happening with this podcast. What is happening with? What are you doing why? The podcast industry is pretty saturated right now. Scott Van Pelt is getting into it with Tiger Woods Matthew mcconaughey and speaking of misery crate is out. Now go ahead subscribe rate review. Tony Kahn joins us we talk about. MTV and wrestling. It's a great eight time. Yeah well we're the mcclatchy which owns the Herald is timing. The release of my podcast In a way that will make it the five billionth podcast. ODD CAST in America. You can also check out the local hour podcasts available now and soon you'll get our one of today's show podcast also out there so I actually have a clip from today's local local hour. It was absolutely riveting. Here's a little portion Maine yes Maryland. Yes Massachusetts Lauren. There Michigan yes Minnesota yes Mississippi Missouri. Yes Montana no Nebraska yes Nevada. Yes New Hampshire. AH YES NEW JERSEY. Yes New Mexico New York North Carolina. North Dakota know what's available on the. Let's that's GONNA be hard to compete with. It's going to be hard to get in the game against that. Give that a beat. Turn it into like a rapper. He believe he's been to forty three of the fifty states. Let's do this with Danny. Any says that getting the fifties non important. You're thirty three men you gotta get to fit. It's not a goal of mine you know. I'm not a bucket list guy. Quite frankly you know fail three to finish just drift off. You're making the radio. You're you're making radio. Oh and you just sort of drift off and thought you're about to drink something you're done. You did good work. The second I did this segment. Fine all right. We didn't talk enough about my podcast but other than that card. Almost count it. Maybe the rules in sports have changed. I thought there was a winner and loser ended. If you're almost one boy. It really didn't count now Dan. There's WS there's els there's not a ws when you look at the standings stugatz wait a minute wait taming the root beer win. Go hold on a second. I who they still have w drive ins. I'm not sure there's eight in Kentucky Elo VC's Donlevatar show with Stugatz on ESPN radio. Chris Cody had some straight talk. Doc for you Chad Johnson. If you have not seen Miami's own Chad Johnson. Who wants to be in the XFL Wants to be a kicker in the NFL. Kelly's forty two years old. He put a video up the other day of him. Kicking a sixty yard field goal. He does have a good leg. And Chris Cody What did I hear you saying earlier? About Chad Johnson will he's also an inexplicably covering for bleacher report UFC He was in Vegas. He asked the last question of McGregor her Press conference and so he's in Vegas and yesterday he posted no he. Maybe he didn't post that someone else posted he left. He was at a restaurant in Vegas and he. It was a thirty six dollar bill and he left a two hundred dollar tip and it. You know it kind of started making news and people re tweeting and stuff and it's really cool really nice of him but I just started like what a burden that must be. I know rich people like what a burden this is but like to just have that obligation like your Chad Johnson. You can't just leave if you have the thirty six dollar bill. You can't like a good tip for that would be twenty bucks. Can he just leave twenty bucks or does he have to like then you kinda maybe just going to say you say it's a terrible burden. Yes it is. Chris is like do you. Do you have to get recognized. Two of the no the moment the moment that you do get recognized the the pressure escalate. When you're not recognized you just tip a little extra just in case no I? I always tip large because I'm afraid of someone Not Feeling like they're yeah that their service was taken into consideration has money. No no it's not out of kindness. It's not no it's not recognized you under tip to balance it all out What I actually do though and the thing that you're not accounting for and I don't know the details on the particular Taylor received that you saw but very often when you have that kind of money or when you have any kind of fame what ends up happening? Is You get four hundred dollars worth of goods four thirty six dollars and then you tip big to compensate for that because all of a sudden people are buying drinks and they're buying all sorts of stuff and that's an and you feel ness it's necessary to take care of the person who take care takes care of you it makes more sense actually because the thirty six bucks it was. It seemed to be some sort of bar. I don't WanNa say where it was but I'm not saying he was drinking but it seemed like a place. You'd have a bigger building thirty six bucks. Well that makes more sense but still it just seems like such a burden and I also also if you don't get recognized that's the tough spot because it's like man. No I just have to tip two hundred percent every time I'm out now they might recognize me and just insane. Your father's a very poor tipper. No no that's a misconception. I'm not a poor tipper. I start at twenty percent your cheap and work my way up. I think it's fair to say that you're cheap. Well if if you consider a twenty percent base no twenty percent tip is a tip it's It's above standard. I don't tip less than twenty percent and less my service. This has been so bad that I mentioned to some. We had an issue last weekend where we were out and get it I was he was going to concert. We met for a drink before we parted ways for the evening. And we didn't get great service at this place. But Greg Diva turned into Greg Diva and it was a little uncomfortable. What happened? I can't even remember talk about the hard rock. I was trying to avoid aims but here we are are go. Sit in the penalty. Box is just go. said he was trying to avoid. You don't understand what we're doing. Just go sit in the penalty box for two minutes and I love the hard rock sponsors. Get Out of here. Just go leave for. What is it what you were saying? We got back we got I. I'm not GONNA it was. It was a busy bar. Get Out of here to represent yourself is what you're muddling as you leave the room. We ordered drinks. We got drinks. We ordered a second round and that second round took like I'd say fifteen going close to fifteen or twenty minutes so it was not great service but he just does this thing where he gets so frustrated that he has to express it it to them. You can't just you know they come over. They realize it's been a long long time so they're kind of apologize. Say Hey sorry. And he just has to say we order these drinks a month ago like he got he has to always always like needle them a little bit and let them know that he's frustrated. I was surprised to hear your father say that he's always a twenty percent tipper because I think of your father as one of the cheapest episode human beings that I know and I'm sure you have many examples of this and the the funny part about it is that he's got plenty of. If money was his wife makes plenty right and he's I will often I think around me. He's more apt to tip normal. Because I'm someone because I know how he is when we're out and and there's a bill and he's signing it. I'm all over him like let's see I don't don't do. Don't embarrass me here. Tip Normal so around me. He does actually tip relatively normal. He's not a big tipper where he's like a a ceiling of twenty percent. I'm I'm surprised it's that high to be honest with you. I'm seeing some texts here. Mike and we've got Don van Natta. He's about to join us to talk talk about his latest. ESPN backstory but. Can you tell me what is going on here because now my cell phone keeps going off with Stugatz text. Text between between you and students and Stugotz was Trying to get us. George R R Martin. He's in Mexico. He's at a dead show he sees a George are Martin. The creator of of a game of thrones there all the time Our Martin is a big jets fan sports fan and Seems to enjoy STU gods. His company has been telling telling Stugotz four now years that he's according to God's anyway that he's GonNa come on the show and we never get him on the show and so God said he was going to get him for us today correct. He said that he was GONNA try to call in grabbed George. RR Morton on phone and SORTA just do a drive by But I don't believe suge. I don't believe him anytime. He speaks but the text here are claiming that he's going to do it right. We have an hour and a half left and the the tech as far as I can see him. I'm doing the show so I can't. I can't sort of absorb all of them but isn't he. Claiming is GONNA get him. No He's on. He's not to me maybe to you but The the one tax that I got in return from him as I asked him how. So how are things with George Martin. And he's like wore me out on signs dealing controversy last night thirty minutes. Are you guys believe him. No no no no okay. Very good tarred the first thing with pea soup is the texture of watery pea soup. It's awful of head gelatinous thick pea soup. It's terrible pea soup. Much like clam. chowder needs to have that consistency. I P soup on its own can be a little bit bland. It wants a fairly early aggressive. peppering and Salting Stugatz he sup- needs a fine dice of Ham. Not Making not any other meat not Turkey. It needs a fine nine dice of Ham pea. Soup scorch is easily. You don't want to heat it on a high heat. You want to hate it on medium low and the key to peace you want a ham bone for the stock. You make make your piece. This is live with our show with his two guys on. ESPN radio you like this song. Like Don Johnson's heartbeat. You're singing Don Johnson's heartbeat Don Johnson. Last seen and watchmen Formerly of Miami Vice. You're in their singing. It and pantomime being a heart with your hand when my favorite music videos of all time and his name is don and so is our next guest on Van Joining us on. ESPN radio. He's gotTa Outta Show Back Story and the episode. This week is banned for life. It's about Pete. Rose Shoeless Joe Gambling on major league. Baseball it premiered Sunday three PM Eastern on ESPN and then you can get it on the APP there will be a rear Sunday night nine pm on ESPN. Thank you for joining us. I'm always making fun of during slow times in sports. We go to the Pete Rose Conversation and talk about whether Pete rose should be banned for life. Pete Rose will be joining us today at twelve thirty eastern. So Don van not is with us now a backstory wh Tell us about what it is that you're trying to do here where you try and apply context and nuance stories. That people know about but might not know everything about back stories that attempt and thanks for having me on back story is an attempt tend to go back to passports scandals and shine a fresh light trying to tell audiences something new about stories. They think they know and in this particular episode episode banned for life. We look carefully at to show Jackson and the black SOx scandal of one hundred years ago and draw a through line from that and shoeless joe being banned from ever playing Major League baseball game to again to Pete rose Thirty years ago when of course Marci Amati banned him indefinitely Italy and it's now turned out to be a life sentence for him and there's a lot of interesting parallels and cross sections of information we've turned up about both of them and and is particularly interesting now. Not only because of major league. Baseball is embrace of legalized gambling and the profit. They're making from it. Whether these two guys you'd still be terrible villains villains and the worst of all time baseball history but also with the Astros signed feeling scandal and everything going on. I mean you know the timing. Gods have smiled on us with everything going on in Major League Baseball this week when you say and waiter root for misery Across the sport in order to endorse your SPN backstory banned for life With Pete Rose and Joe Jackson but when you say interesting details like what tell us tell us some of this stuff getting everything away. Tell us some of the stuff that we're GONNA learned that we're not GonNa have known well certainly when it comes to shoeless Joe Jackson one of the things that we were really fascinated by it. There were all sorts of warnings about gambling and baseball there was it was going on constantly. in one thousand nine hundred nineteen band Johnson. The American League president in a letter that I found in the archives into Chicago. History Museum said that if we don't do something about all of this game fixing and gambling that's going on it's going to Besmirch Sport and could actually kill us and all those warnings of course we're ignored and they made a big example. kennesaw outlandish made a big example out of shoeless. Joe John John Dowd. Who did the investigation for Major League Baseball? Nineteen eighty-nine Pete. Rose actually was asked by Bart Giamatti to look into shoeless. Joe Jackson and dowd made a very strong one. That shoeless Joe should be taken off the eligible list and put into the hall of fame and And and actually there. We're so momentum for that to happen but it was derailed by the Pete Rose Scandal so in a way pete rose actually kept shoeless. Joe Jackson from possibly being mm-hmm been forgiven by major league baseball. That's very interesting. And I did a long wide ranging interview with Pete rose at the Mandalay Bay last summer dams of course. That's where it was. Of course I that's where you were of course was the Mandalay Bay. Yes wide-ranging interview at the Mandalay Bay court at the craps table that and in that interview I mean he almost ripped the microphone off early on. We'll see how he behaves with you. Guys at twelve thirty almost rips the microphone up early because I kept asking him questions about Nineteen eighty-nine. I don't think you realize the name of the show is back story. And that's what we that's what we do the show but you know he calmed down and quite frankly he made one of the most impassioned commotion arguments I've ever hear ever heard him make on his behalf of why he should be reinstated after thirty years. It's it's very riveting compelling wing television And I hope people tune into it. What was happening that he almost ripped the microphone off? I kept asking him down about one thousand nine hundred ninety said you know. That's old old news. Why do you WanNa ask me about that? Look at the future as opposed to the past said he'd do. The title of the show is back story of knew what I wanted to ask about but he got quite white angry and and almost was wearing a jumpsuit. I'm just curious like how much of what surrounds Pete Rose feels a a little bit Vegas Greasy. Oh quite a bit. I hit his explanation You know he was supposed to reconfigure his life when he's signed that agreement with Bart Giamatti nineteen eighty nine. The only way he was ever going to get back into baseball is if he reconfigured his life of course as we all know he lied for fifty years that he had never bet on baseball or on the reds did admit that until two thousand four but when I asked him about reconfiguring his life he believes he's reconfigured it because he doesn't gamble illegally on sports anymore. He only bets legally in the Vegas sports books on baseball by the way almost every day And and for that reason he feels. That's enough in reconfiguring his life and he should be reinstated and brought back into baseball it. It's sad and it's tragic that he can't give up betting on baseball all to secure his legacy in the hall of fame and he wants to so badly he talks about how being kicked out of the game tour something out of his heart and and and really gets quite emotional in discussing it of how much being in the hall of fame getting into the hall of fame being forgiven by baseball means them done do you one of the great investigative reporters working in sports. Allow yourself an opinion on whether shoeless Joe and Pete rose should be pardoned and allowed in the hall of fame. And I I do Greg. After spending after spending months on this I really do feel that thirty years is is enough enough time with for Pete. Rose I mean you know there are people who have who have had murder sentences that have not gone as long as that and you know they vincent put it very well in our show in an interview. Of course. They've been with the deputy commissioner when Pete Rose was knocked out of baseball for good by Bhartiya Mati and he said because of the changing views of gambling in this country ultimately is probably inevitable that Pete rose will get the hall of fame maybe after he dies And he may not see it and I asked him about that as well but I do think that Pete Rose has served enough of a time and certainly shoeless Joe. He died in nineteen fifty one. It's been almost most seventy years. The shoeless Joe is but on the outside looking at I mean for all intensive purposes. Baseball's ineligible list should stop when you die and actually we have some fresh reporting on that subject as well and they'll be has changed their view of that and we're going to break a little news with the show on that topic as well I I wish that we had praised Stuart Scott more while he was still living so he could hear it. ESPN's back story is on Sunday three PM EASTERN ON ESPN. It's GonNa Rear Sunday Sunday at nine on. ESPN and you can watch it anytime on the ESPN APP. You have been in the home of Jerry Jones. You took us into the home through your writing of Jerry. Jones hypothesize as one of the great investigative reporters of our time. What the sleepover with Mike McCarthy looked like what it felt like There was a lot of Johnny Walker blue but I wanNA hear I wanna take me in there and What you imagine was happening? Take us through the the mansion of Jerry Jones. What was happening that night? Well Jerry Jones is you know. Dan gave me a tour of that mansions very late at night after a long boozy dinner and a steakhouse in Dallas. it's a cavernous place. It's beautiful he has an incredible. TV room he's got a gigantic wine cellar. There's interestingly not a single picture that I could see of Jimmy Johnson anywhere Jerry Jones is house And although he claimed later there was one and I missed it. There are lots of Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith. But I didn't see any of Of Jimmy but I think there was a lot of Johnny Walker blue A lot of boozy A talk and stories and I'm curious if we ever find out where McCarthy is there a guest house guy. That's why I'm asking you. Is there a guest house. Like one of my choices is is there. A A maid's quarters. Where would he have slept sleeping? Bag there in con- There is. Yeah there is a guest house actually in the backyard where Jerry Jones this is mother lift. Interestingly until she passed away just a few years before I did that profile of him. Back in twenty fourteen So yes there was a guest house often presumably. That's where McCarthy punked that night what do you imagine that. He slept Dan McCarthy literally They'd be borrowed pajamas for Jerry. I don't know incorrect. It is tidy. WHYTE's the correct answer is tiny white? He's thank you for being with us. Be Gone Don van Natta. ESPN's backstory banned for life. About Pete Rose Shoeless Joe Jackson and gambling major league baseball premiers Sunday three PM Eastern on. ESPN thank you sir. Thank thank you Dan appreciate it. Live a tar. The last thing I heard before they turned these microphones on was John. elway shut up. Shut up. La Well said. Thank you STU gods. I'd say that shut up. Never Wealth said shut up. Those are two words that are unmistakable. I think it's cut right to the chase when you say shut up shut up elway these live at our show with this to ads on. ESPN radio cody. Wants to make fun of my clothes. We'll get to to that in a second but first we're GonNa make fun of what just happened on this radio show and Don van Natta as our friend but there are very big football games being played this weekend and the show couldn't have possibly skewed more moth Bali than it just did talking about shoeless Joe Jackson. They've given Don van Natta the art of conversation timeslot of up against football. Good luck with all that like that. That's just brutal. Just brutal. Like shoeless. Joe Jackson Pete rose go ahead and all sports fans will be over here. Projecting much You feel like that's what's happening there. I want good journalism. Donna and I WANNA watch it however I don't WanNa do it on this show and what we just did talking to Don van Natta about Pete Rose and and shoeless Joe. Joe Jackson is skewing as old as we possibly can. Pete rose joins us in forty five minutes. I don't tell get his his it. Yeah okay. We'll see what he's got to say about the scandal. I prefer to go back in time and ask him what his second. Worst bad beat story is because his first bad beat store and we played it in a number of times. Here's a guy who's always gambling. You just heard Don van Natta say he's still gambling legal early on baseball And even though he is emotional and angry and hurt. I'm guest by I'm guessing by the fact that baseball is kicked him out. He's still out here unable to let go of whatever it is about that. That has a hold on him and so I am. I'm curious what his second worse bed. Beat story is because there is nothing that can top. This one had a horse in probably one night. I looked tonia which is attracting back in Cincinnati and the damn beer out of the war on the more non winning a frog going down to put a wall up track now. We should be talking some football. I know Mike's all excited about About the Conference Championship Games. This weekend. We got a chance at either mahomes versus Rogers Tannahill versus Garoppolo Apple. There's a super bowl. These are two good Games. I feel I mean in the AFC teams peaking at the right time Dan and in the NFC. You really think carajas are going to get beat like that again do you. Well I don't want him to and when he was on the show with us he said and I didn't like the explanation the nation Everything going wrong was the explanation and obviously he knows a million times more about what happened in that game. He can't tell you exactly what went wrong but what went wrong was so jarring to me that they lose thirty seven eight. I know that history has examples of something happening in the regular season and then it changes but the thing thing that jarred me is I know over the my time watching Aaron Rodgers for fifteen years that going into every game. He's their greatest disadvantage. That's what I expect. And so when I see San Francisco the last time they went to San Francisco just completely dismantle dismantle all things packers. They made what we know to be a good team. Look like an incompetent bad team with no offense where it was boring to watch Aaron Rodgers play football jarred me well. What's also equally jarring as I think any way when you try to devise a way that Green Bay can win a scam as a seven and a half point? Underdog at San Francisco. It's not the typical Aaron Rodgers Way. It's got to do with their defense. which at times has been very good? Good and times hasn't been as good and got control. The running game which at times has been spent and they have to run the ball because they've made Aaron Rodgers more of a caretaker than he's ever been because they I do run the ball well to take pressure off him but that offense isn't what it is that we're used to seeing the thing that the thing that I can't get around is San Francisco go has the best pass rushing league with four guys and guys who don't move around the way that mahomes and Russell Wilson and Kyle Murray had great success against San Francisco Bowl Times that he played them Kirk cousins. You saw kirk. Cousins looked like without time. Well Rogers was always a pretty mobile quarterback got injured last year. And we haven't really seen that facet of his game much this season but maybe it's too they move them around the pocket. Do they move from around do they. Like what do you do against the San Francisco. Forty niners who were even able to slow Lamar Jackson at a time. Nobody was slowing Lamar Jackson. While they one hundred four straight days worth of Game Yeah Green. Bay's been an average offense this season I think they ranked seventeenth eighteenth right in the middle of the pack and scoring and in that I meeting they Aaron Rodgers converted one hundred fifteen third downs and and they just annihilated the whole game and now in addition to Nick Botha they have their other healthier in general Ford back. Who didn't play in the first meeting? So they're going to overwhelm the packers offensive line. I think and and that's why San Francisco's more than a touchdown favorite. It's the first time since two thousand and seven that both conference finals have been more than seven point line. I really do believe Kansas City San Francisco go is the better game but I wanNA see Kansas City Green Bay just because I wanna see those who quarterbacks matchup remember that matchup was ripped away from us and we saw Matt Moore against Rogers. I'd like to see Af San Francisco can actually Slow If I'm assuming they're going to advance like to see if they can do anything. In the way of slowing flowing mahomes I would tend to doubt it a little bit because very few people can so you wanted to make fun of my clothes. Well the beauty is you never know.

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"So what one phone call. We'll take right now but we needs a little explanation. So yesterday we had my nemesis Bill Plunkett from the DELUCA Lake Times on. No He's when they southern California News Group. Bill appears in many many many newspapers around the south and we brought him on in to talk about the likelihood that mookie Betts was glowing. Have Bill on the show. Here is what Bill said I. Would I would temperate from imminent and those kinds of things. I think that might be overstating it I would say audible. I wouldn't even go. There's been so many mixed signals along this thing throughout the winter and ladies and gentlemen bit less than three hours later mookie. Betts became a dodger adjourn joining us right now. Because he's a good. Sport is our friend. Bill Plunkett Bill Bill. Bill tampered with that record. Sound like me. Well Bill Bill Bill we went. I remember we had the Great Mark Heisler on the the great NBA writer from the La Times and we said Mark. What are the chances Phil Jackson comes back to? The Lakers and marks works at absolutely none. Zero less than zero. Didn't go that far. Yeah I'll tell you the deal dead if you did not and bill I said posse there. You go pivot pivot to that. I said it reminded me about the tide. I told the story earlier that I was doing the Laker pregame show and they throw it to me and they said John. What's the status of Kobe Bryant? I this guy. He's not gonNA play tonight as a seriously sprained ankle and he can't even walk as Kobe was running behind me in the layup line and hit me in the back and I turned and said like I said Kobe. It'll be in the starting lineup tonight. Well what do you what this is exciting. Is it not. Doesn't this make your trip. Nils Nine Fan. He's just he just covers the story porges. But doesn't this give you more to report on absolutely it it. It is a very exciting story. We were heading to spring training with really no new faces or stories to tell and now we have a we have a few absolute. Are you surprised. They got him for Essentially Alex. Vertigo and Cantona Yeah Yeah I am surprised that they were able to preserve the top layer of their prospect list and it depending on how the money plays out they may still be under the luxury tax. If they red SOX is pay enough of price if the offloading Peterson and stripling to the angels I may get them back under the luxury tax bill. And and and I think you should characterize it that way. The trade didn't cost them just for do go in Asia. It also costs than Peterson. They don't make that trade without the other stuff happening. It's a good point Bill the likelihood that bets Oh boy really signs we ought to with the dodgers is I. We're all just speculating. But Andrew Friedman's never given anybody at ten years prediction. So go ahead. I'M GONNA say imminent imminent ask. What do you think the likelihood is say one year rental or are they in this for real? I think they ever really a good shot at convincing him I mean don't you think a year living in La playing at dodger stadium possibly going to the world series reason all of that excitement that definitely gives them a leg up on everybody else going into to a free agency I would think It doesn't sound like McKee is interested in an extension ahead of that. He wants to get on the out on the market right. What it'll what it'll create that one report part in January said? The Red Sox offered ten years three hundred million. He laughed at it and countered with twelve years for twenty. So we are talking talking about big money You know take that three hundred million. The dodgers were willing to pay Garrett Cole and start collecting more at that will he wants Mike Trout money. Yeah four wow wow hey. They traded jocking chicken strip for a guy named Louis Ren Heathrow who is he why what is as a story they. They'RE GONNA get a prospect In that too. Okay One We don't know the names yet. But that's essentially only a salary dray bring e fo as a middle infield type utility type and wouldn't even figure in so good deal for the angels. Do you think angel to very usable. Major League pieces Bill for you. We've been speculating the thing we're hearing from a dodger fan fan since we're back to taking calls. It took me three years to connect now to convince me actually talked to them as well so much easier to show any say in this whatsoever. No I was being outvoted by going to be a big shot. Yeah you've you've now hit on it bill. Getting Greg out was the key in me. Get Him winning this battle I as I was getting I was getting outvoted two to one all the time. But every what what we're hearing bill is everybody's saying dodgers need to go get more. Pitching dodgers need now. Now they can get that money. They're saving go get more pitching. I'm not sure they do. I mean the the we now know that they're going to have bueller. They're going to have kershaw. They're going to have the price if he stays healthy and somewhere with all those other guys with Dustin May and Tony Johnson. Julio Iglesias and Alex would they can find the fourth and fifth starter in that group. Can't they absolutely and and you. I mean how urgently did they need it in the in the season the these guys that it probably won't start a game and the postseason right so you can mix and match among that group easily. I I did the maths the couple of weeks ago. They've used an average bridge of over twelve. Starting pitchers a year every year during this division title. Run so they have probably seven or eight and maybe just make some starts later in the year. That kind of stuff I it. A lot of it hinges on which of Alex would Jimmy Nelson recaptures recaptures their pre injury form. If one of those guys can can dial it back and be The pitchers they were before some an injury. Gotten away problem so yeah and I think also which of reassert An and may God. Selene are ready to emerge starters. Yeah Yeah I think you can pencil in breaking camp in the rotation may Gotteland. Are you know we may see from time to time. During the season I keep arguing. That doesn't make could be a real weapon out of the bullpen. If they don't need him to be the start with your track record yeah you ever see him pitch out good sport thank you. I wish we wish we would have called you. Before for the Super Bowl I would have gone the other way. Talk to you soon. May say there's Bill Plunkett who said yesterday it's not imminent. It's just possible and three hours later. I wouldn't say imminent. Hey while we're on the subject of baseball did you see this. Pete Rose Story. Yeah I did okay. So it's kind of weird so pete rose applied for reinstatement and it and it's not like he made a phone call and said Hey. Can I get back in. In right. He prepared a twenty page petition. And the heart of his argument is that. If you'RE NOT GONNA punish achievers in the Astros and red SOx cheating scandal why is there one set of rules for those cheaters and and another set of rules for him and it as part of his argument is yeah. I know I gambled but a- gambled on my own not a good argument But all you gotta do is Google Pete. Rose and Mario Soto and you'll see the number of times he brought him back on three days. Rest ruined Soda Right But oh it was. That was not a victimless crime. Okay but isn't what the Astros did equal to or worse than what Pete Rose did. I'm no pete. Rose does apologist here. I know he was a bad guy and he cheated and then lied about it for fifteen years. But I actually think if you're not going to punish any of the players in this cheating scandal that you seriously have to consider reinstating rose. You disagree why I've always made the case. Ace Yeah I disagree why because it is. It is a an absolute cardinal rule posted in every clubhouse that gambling on games will not be tolerated. He never bet against his own done again. I'm just gonNA say Google Pete Rose Mario Soto and you'll see he ruin. Somebody's career right. But Greg what do you think I'm on your side. John That that argument that you're making right now. Saying Mario Soto that whole thing guess what the Astros also ruined the career of Mike Bolsinger and Phil Hughes and other pitchers because they were cheating and knowing the pitch beforehand never pitched again right depot. Lost irreparably lost their jobs because of this three managers one general manager there were there were banned issue. None of them banned for life like the the one guy get banned for life. Todman TOB got banned for life but never pete. Rose is a different class. He's baseball's all time hit leader It seems that well first of all. Let's make distinction here. All of us are in agreement. That rose should be in the hall of fame right that. That's I mean he he probably will. We'll never get in because the old school riders won't let him in but we all think you should be even writer. He's not it's got it on a longer eligible if you know if you put him on the ballot he's never been on the ballot Alad. Okay if you actually put them the ballot and I've always proposed this in the same way. Writers are GonNa make a decision on steroids in the same way they will ultimately to me. Make a decision on Jose Altuve and Carlos Korean Alex Bregman knowing that they were involved in this cheating scandal. All you should do is put Pete rose on the ballot and let writers decide if he should be at cooperstown. Okay Fair enough. By the way rose holds major league records for hits games played at bats and singles. He's number one on all those lists but he's not in the hall of fame because as maze points out. He's never been on a hall of fame ballot because he's banned. Yeah just put them on the ballot. That's the easiest thing in the world it will little regulate itself in the same way and by the way he might be he michael in on the very first ballot. Here's the here's the heart of his petition. It has never been suggested let alone establish that any of Mr Rose's actions influence the outcome of any game or the performance of any player yet for thirty one years and counting he continues to suffer punishment vastly disproportionate to those. Who have done? Just that given the manner in which Major League Baseball Baseball has treated and continues to treat other egregious assaults on the integrity of the game. Mr Roses ongoing punishment is no longer justifiable as a proportional response to his transgressions. I think that's actually an argument worth considering. I'm not quite one hundred percent there yet. I'm not saying go ahead and do it but I do think that if you're not gonNA punish out today and you're not gonNA punish Bregman and they just go back like nothing happened. And Pete rose is completely banned banned from baseball that those are disproportionate. That is one. That's one set of rules for one guy and a completely. Let's not pretend that. This was as a victimless crime. That just because he was gambling on his own team Means that He he wasn't doing damage he was Mario. Soto had never pitched on three days rest outside the playoffs until Pete rose got there and after that he pitched on three days rest repeatedly in it. Ruined ruined desire. What's the gambling aspect greg? Gambling is a big part of the way that this country works right now. It's getting bigger and bigger and bigger teams. That's like a cardinal put gambling gambling. Baseball's getting in on on granting the players can't be involved in gambling right mace. What about this roses lawyers pointed it out that rob Manfred reinstated player Genre Mahia who had been permanently banned from baseball after testing positive? A third time for steroids and they let him back in right yet. They won't let rows and rows obvious can't play anymore but he's he's not gonna live forever ever and well tell you one of the things that works against roses. He's a jerk. Right has always been one. I think that actually has a lot to do with what's great you've met him. I've met he's a jerk. He is gruff and that does not help your case he he is if he had from the beginning. Come out and said I apologize. Throw throw yourself on the mercy of the court. You didn't need the dowd report. And that had entire investigation. If he just come clean and apologize I think he would be in the hall of fame right now but he was a jerk. Greg this lends itself to your argument in the early eighties. He's Mickey Mantle and Willie mays were placed on. MLB's ineligible list by Commissioner Bowie Kuhn for accepting jobs as greeters at an Atlantic City casino but in eighty five Peter Ueberroth then the commissioner removed mantle and mays from the ineligible as saying the world has has changed. Okay let's be on. I mean working as a greeter is different from betting on baseball. There are two things you're like the guy that stands in the front of the Walmart Walmart says hi. Welcome to the savage. He's the only guy who bet on baseball on later man and finally the other one I think he should be banned. You think they were just greeters. They didn't yeah I don't I don't I don't think they bet on baseball. Who are you talking about? Willie mays take Mickey Mantle. Is Betting on based this change. This change your opinion anyway anyway in May of two thousand eighteen. The Supreme Court granted all fifty states. The right to accept sports wagers legally allowing Major League baseball to profit often in multiple ways from leaks. Are you not allowed to do as an employee of the Lakers back. There you go. Yeah says just because everybody else is doing. It doesn't mean players ears are allowed to do it right now. Would directly affect the integrity of the game. You would be able to try upgrade their outcome. What what you just said directly affect the integrity of the game? It wouldn't be able to trust the outcome it. Can't we say the exact same thing about two bregman. You can't I've said all along. They should be. They should pay prices right but they're not right but they shouldn't be right right so you're argument is don't let rose back in ban all the other guys. My point is there's a difference between getting signs and by the way it's agreed GIS and it's terrible terrible and it screwed the dodgers and I hate the Astros and all that stuff right. There's a difference between that and actually betting on I would have button by accident. There's a difference between that and actually betting on games and when you say integrity in other words that you can trust the outcome of games. That's what I mean by integrity. Ready you can trust the outcome out of this world series games and you trusted the outcome and now you find out there were cheating wasn't hurt integrity violation there wasn't integrity violation but it's still buzzers on guys shall not no no don't put this. I'm going to give up their world. What's worse which is worse? Would you know okay. Okay if it comes to your argument is is unbalanced. Because you're seeing rose stays banned all right. Would you be willing to ban Altuve as they ban all too and bregman cheated for life when roses difference between cheating and bedding what is it. One X involves loves the exchange of money from other money. Other one involves the stealing of signs by electron with me up there too. Don't don't conflict betting China intentionally confusing and conflicting. Don't think that's a hard look that up you know but you don't think they're equally egregious. No no I do not greg do you. I think the I think what the Astros there was worse a lot worse in betting on your own team. Yes complaining absolutely a work unbelievable believable every time Yup Deacon fleeting absolutely with that and I have no idea what I'm saying words to make up a word it turns out to be an actual word. It's just ridiculous I know. There's there's a difference and by the way there's a difference between Mickey Mantle saying hi. Welcome to the Sands and Mickey Mantle saying GimMe a thousand on the Yankees. There's a huge difference between those. I'm guessing that after Mickey Mantle retired. He laid a few bucks on the castor. He retired Pete. Rose was just. I was managing energy timely macer in Ireland seven ten. ESPN ESPN LA Mason and Ireland. giveaway grounds passes right now. Caller Number Tan eight seven seven seven ten. 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The depth of his game would allow him to be a star even if he were average offensively and any. Isn't that other words. That bets does so many other things. Well yes that he would still be lied. Megan defensive runs saved. I mean he does he does does. He's won four gold glove gold glove. I mean you know he does a lot but there's no disputing the fact that is number spiked in two thousand eighteen. How score got okay? So how concerned are you about that. Well you know. He's he's A. He batted three forty six that year. He's a career three. Oh One hitter last rebound. He batted two ninety five. I think he's probably right around three hundred hitter. I don't think he's a three forty six inter. I do think that he was aided by I. Whatever they were doing team Alex Cora brought over from Houston but I still think he's a three hundred hitter I think he's a home runs in the high twenty s stolen bases in the high twenties tremendous defensive right fielder I think he's a phenomenal talent? But Yeah I do think he was. Aided by whatever Alexkor had gone on there. I'm wondering Jeff Passan's making the other argument but I think passing arguing that he you kind of what I would say in all week. That he's a star player. Even if you throw two thousand eighteen out that's fastens argument. and L Z. Argument is but you can't throw twenty eight out no you. Can't I mean if you throw in two thousand eight. Mvp Year if you throw a twenty eighteen. He's a guy who hits twenty six home runs. I'm just doing some math in my head. He's The guy who had twenty six home runs. he's a guy with ninety. RBI's he is. He's a to ninety now. It's still pretty good is a great defensive. Right fielder it right now. Two Thousand Sixteen. How much of sorry? Twenty eight okay so that you have to gold glove in your outfield. NHA pollock. WHO's not bad defense? Now it's good defensively. How much of a deal is that? Is that a big deal a little deal not really everybody goal. Eight years. In the outfield to next Mendez. It is a huge deal. A huge difference mookie bats since two thousand sixteen leads baseball in defensive runs saved second is and droughts and Simmons from the angels. It's a huge deal that you've got to Gold Glover's center and right field To unbelievable athletic defenders out there makes jagged. Think about it this way so the cops and remember Theo Epstein was the cubs guy went out and signed Jason Heyward almost exclusively because of his defense they view Jason Heyward Hayward as anything we get offensively from him is a-plus righteous. Wanted a great defensive right fielder that listen man you get both we get a great defensive. It's a bright fielder and a guy who's going to hit thirty home runs and steal twenty-six basis all right. I have breaking Andre Igwe Doll News should I give it or should we break. I think people need the news. Shams Sharia Miami and Memphis are in advanced discussions for Andrea de Dolla. To land with the heat sources tell athletic. This was the one team I was. I had kind of eyeballed that he would be the Miami Heat right now. I think is is just just right there right to be the number. Two team in the East phillies sinking. Like a rock. Yeah Boston is Kinda hit and miss one night. They'll look great another night. They won't look great. Toronto it's hard to tell what you're you're there they won eleven in a room But Miami has it's been really. They beat Miami beat Philadelphia Two nights ago by thirty nine and if they adequate. Who's WHO's a wing that would play on the same team team as Jimmy Butler Bam a bio that automatically gives them at least a fighting chance against Milwaukee I would still take Milwaukee but if he goes back to what he was for the warriors he'd be a huge help to them so shams reporting that are the Frac- I used advanced discussions? Yeah and so. Pat Riley is getting his He's getting his foot in the door and and keep in mind trade deadline headline and that includes it would Allah who under contract to the Memphis. Grizzlies noon tomorrow. So in the next Some twelve plus twenty hours twenty hours. Yeah this could happen. Okay woge Talking Lakers clippers coming up next for you're seventeen. ESPN so mookie Betts is a dodger we are waiting for the NBA trade deadline. Which is coming up tomorrow? At twelve o'clock doc. Noon just saw this tweet from Yahoo. Kris Haines the Lakers have ventured down all avenues including a last hail. Mary attempt to seek a path to Andrea Gwendal but it is becoming apparent. That Miami has memphis attention right now and joining us. Right now Steve McManaman who covers the Lakers for ESPN and Dave. We were just trying to speculate. If the Lakers are going to do anything I completely understand if they don't I think their chemistry he's really good. I don't know anything. Got Something working but you saw last night. There length is given people problems. What you're telling you? Do you think the Lakers do something. No Don Listen Steve Is. It's just team that's team in. The West has been all season long. But there has to in some sort of internal urge to to always wanNA prove and tinker especially. Because they're sharing their Rena with the Los Angeles Clippers and and we know that the clippers are trying to be active as we lead up tomorrow straight that line so if they go through the deadline and they don't make any moves. You still sophy. Good about this Lakers team. The the thing that they're kind of running into right now is as they pursue ways to improve that roster. What what they're hearing back from other teams is that you want something more than you'd be willing to give up with thus creating a new whole all this guy who would fill up this need but now we have a sudden other needs that we have no mechanism to fill up because now the trade deadline ago? So yeah I it just it looks like to me. The one chip that they've got is Kyle Kuzma they really. I guess there are some second round draft pick somewhere but they're no first round draft picks It's difficult you know. The some of the names that float around whether it be Marcus Morris or Spencer. Dinwiddie with your any of these guys that Potentially vast about. There's no way to make that happen without stacking multiple contracts right exactly More than a really strong air for the next hour you could say they're empty numbers. They can also say that this is indicative of the type of player. He's been throughout his dire career. And if you added him to Lakers would he be giving you that. You don't already have I would say a bigger body on the wing a great degree of toughness which perhaps they don't necessarily have on this rock And a little bit more of a reliable three point shooter than you're currently playing those positions but to give up you know the the the trade that's been times and Georgia now few. ESPN also had details along this front to give up. Some sort of active involve both Kaku into any marks. Mars is in some sense. Take a step back and say hey come the playoff shrink the rotation anyway and you know if this is one that you think would be better than those players. And he's GonNa Take Lion share the minutes. Go for it. You could also. Oh say that because you're creating a whole if you do something like that Dave. You're you're creating a whole whole other set of problems and your interesting outsider cider to the locker room that has proven to have really good chemistry and went through a really traumatic experience that not many. NBA Locker rooms will ever go through. and Are you just messing with something that that doesn't need to be messed with. We're talking to Dave McMenamin who covers the NBA for ESPN specifically typically. He's at every Laker game. Like me Dave. Would you be surprised if the clippers didn't make a move. I think they're going to do something I would be survive correct Because they have kind of those surplus wings like a Mo heartless and Mike Green I in no no one has necessarily like left in the depth chart to say that that is certainly GonNa be Israel. Come playoff time. Yeah I think they will be looking to tinker into move move And actually have a little more flexibility than the Lakers Because they do have some draft pick assets that the Lakers don't have but Listen there should be a pressure being felt by like a winger and lines frank and John John home to Milwaukee and Rob Pelinka Rambus in La. Because you are the three teams that are considered to be a class above the rest and and if you kind of know how the field gonNA look then. There has to be some sort of pressure because not only get it for yourself but you know the kind of the same assets that the Lakers would be eyeing the same type of players that the clippers and boxer looking at it as well and so you get to block out your your opposition in your pursuit as well if you should you. Bland the deal to get the player. Do you think Memphis is able to trade Andrea dollar. Listen Christine's does a great job and You know Miami has intriguing prospects there with you know if they're looking to get rid of a tyler hero or a Kendrick Nunn or Duncan Robinson. Jason Nice talking about something and and Obviously we've heard all all season long for various reasons why dollar would have have interest in being in La Not only to play with a contender but he has ties rob Pelinka and he has ties to members of the Golden. Excuse me the clippers organization as well But it could come down to like. He doesn't necessarily have saying it doesn't like he has no L. Trade clause and if they were going to trade him to a place where it is a team that is go to the playoff bound. Maybe even content even the contender. Who can give them the type? Bassett's that the the grizzlies have been swearing all season long. They'd be able to to land and while everybody's sculpted them You know I I could see that being landing spot right and and man Miami could all of a sudden you know with that move and maybe move to around the fringes could be saying. Hey hold on Lakers clippers box talks. This isn't just a three team conversation. Forget about right. We're talking to David Benham in Dave last year there were twenty nine players traded last night. There there was a twelve player. Deal with four different teams. And then there were a couple of trades before that like Trevor Rees Trade. You know maybe three or four guys. Do you sense it between now and noon tomorrow. We're going to see a big Russia. Trades like fifteen more guys getting traded. Or do you think this is a year because the free the agent market isn't projected to be great that maybe we don't have a lot of trades what's your sense of trade volume between now and noon tomorrow. It's a good question because I it's kind of like you. Look at the big names jot and you say you know the names that we've been talking about for months of the Andre Drummond of the world where all did drew holidays. You know if those guys get moved they will created a trickle down effect. There will be ripples that that result in subsequent deals. I'm just not so sure based on what I've heard in my own reporting and what I'm reading from the other great reporters. We have covered in this league. That that that goes those guys are going to be moved. you know throw derrick rose and if those guys aren't going to be moved than there aren't that many deals are around the fringes That I anticipate occurring because I think a lot of teams will just look at it like you know we got we got I think philly he's GonNa find a shooter. I think Boston's GonNa find a big man But you know what level of player. Those guys are We'll we'll have a a huge impact on the deal to get done. I Hey Dave thank you very much and we appreciate it okay. Hey let's do something here. You think you. I would like to see the Lakers tinker. Yes I would be completely fine if they don't yeah let's see what the people think. Okay eight eight seven seven seven ten. ESPN GREG goes back and forth by the way he's got a he's got a foot not passively on the non John side vacillated By the way people reporting left right and sideways that Alec burks and Glen Robinson are reportedly being pulled out. Oh Really La. The warriors game in Brooklyn are on the verge of being traded. That's being reported By multiple sources at this point The San Jose Mercury renews was first. So we'll see if we can get a read on where those guys could be going again. Those are just reports But eight seven seven seven ten. ESPN if you're Laker fan you want to see him ride with what they got or do you want to see him. Maybe tinker a little bit. We're I'm okay. If they don't may someone seem tinker. Of course it all depends in both of our arguments who they would get if they did do. Of course I see you guys all right Mason Ireland seven ten. ESPN ESPN yeah. Much more phone calls this. Chris Morales says there. So we're we're down to the trade deadline tomorrow. Twelve o'clock noon on There was a crazy. Four team trade Last night that went down The names that have been linked to The Lakers just This is mostly the list Marcus Morris From the next Markeith Morris from the Pistons Spencer Dinwiddie from the nets Andrei Guatemala from the Grizzlies. Pretty much sure. Those are pretty much Robert Covington off the market. Now he got traded to Houston so those are pretty much the names sought. Dennis Schroder also assured her. I saw that too from okay. AC and the Lakers play Houston tomorrow night at Staples Center and Mesa. I think he's done I think he's GonNa tell he created. He created room. Mm for himself to do one more thing right. All right here is Steven Bakersfield you're on ESPN seven ten. Hi Steve How are Ya. Oh Oh pretty good guys First Time caller. I've never even tried calling before right. Why Am I? Why do you think that Afraid Mason was GonNa Make Fun of you and yell at you? No I just never really thought about giving it a call today. I always thought about it but I do it and just do it and see what was agitated. Agitated Steve Are you Steve. Yeah I'm I'll be fifty seven here in May Nice you so you're Ireland's h yes. Well well yeah yeah I I've You know my my father was a Laker fan and my older brother so I kind of grew up always Lakers dodgers. All my relied on the Lakers do something or less. Stand Pat. No I actually I do. I don't I really don't want them to do anything unless they can really really improve. But if Coups Ma I believe he can. He can get better. I know we're looking at this year but I I say no I lean toward no okay. Yeah so do I but you know who knows maybe the maybe rob's working on something that would blow our socks off like the Niger trade. Yeah uh here's John and Fontana. Hey John you're on. ESPN LA hi. Hey what's up guys. What's up John? Latin I called. AD with traded. So here we are again yeah. That's what I'm talking about ice. We're on the verge of something we are. We are but I. I don't mind the tinkering with the business at the end of the day. Like these guys know it very well but I don't mind the Tan Green but I think we stayed put. WHO's a little bit of our future Lebron's at the end of his career? We gotTa Kinda think in the future here and like Ah. These guys have been through a lot. The last couple of week with the passing of Kobe but I think we stand put. Darren Collison I think we need all pick up the phone and say hey. Let's let's put on the purple and Gold Koby. Yeah Mason get influenced in this town. Pick up the phone called called Darren. Yeah give us a call say Darren. What's that gotta stay out of it? I'm a LAKER employees. But now no he's not he's not on a rostro excellent point. Hey Darren signed come on over here actually used our collison here is Paul in Alhambra. Hey Paul you're on seven ten. Espn Hi how you doing valid. Yeah well you know usually what happens in these situations is that teams. Take the president and gamble on the future. Sure screw up. The president. Think the Lakers. Earning unique situation where they gotta go and right now they start tinkering. They're gonNA mess with now and I don't think that's the right nothing to do there and I said if you if you fix one small hole by doing a deal you create a big you create a bigger one. Yeah and on top at that on top of that. Paul the Lakers. Are you know thirty. Seven eleven so you are thirty eight and eleven now. They won last night so thirty. Eight and eleven after forty nine games. You got a shot to win the whole thing you know and and once you get there like I right. I've said this all week if you're the Lakers. The Clippers of the bucks. You really don't need to do anything. You gotTa shot right now to run the table and win it. It's the other twenty seven teams. I'm wondering what the heck they're doing. Oh PK. tweets stopped taking calls Mason. John do their show callers boring. Oh Hey did maybe hey. Brian didn't get the memo. Yeah Brian Your services are no longer needed. The new boss has instructed us. Take calls grow though. Greg thinks it's a horrible mistake. Well I like at the right time time. I don't think this one was the right one the Muslims. That's wrong one. I think this is the wrong and this is not what it was. Actually she wanted. It was your furnace. We said Do you want him to do something. And all three people said. No wait a minute. Here's a guy wants to make a move although corporate Greg's yet to fix my screen. So I have absolutely no idea in Alhambra. He wants. He's on the Mason. Training wants to blow it all up. Hey what's going on. Hey what's up guys so we gotta becoming the Taliban Record Albanese nothing. Lebron getting older order breath that small window. We gotta make a move against these top level teams that are vital the playoff downward cutting really worried about US Luzhniki. The what the Clippers we got it. There's there's somebody you know. The thing is Greg said to me today. Kouzmines been great great. Two of the last three games exactly that is speaks to. His speech is inconsistency at the table. Galway you're on a run. He's on a run man. Hey thrilled last five. He's been good if if he's going to get more twelve point. Twelve rebound games. He had a rebound DON GONYEA teen rebound games. That's what the more of the norm is going to be where he's getting fifteen and twelve. I'll take that every single day. I coming up for you connects the big story of the day. mookie Betts dodgers deal became final last night at about six fifteen unfortunately just after we went off the air but we will We'll give you the full low down next Mason Ireland seven ten E._s._p._N..

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Passing Of A Legend

PTI

19:01 min | 9 months ago

Passing Of A Legend

"The man in the attic episode fifty. We'll on we begin today with sad news. The passing of Don Shula this morning at ninety years old at his home in Indian Creek in Florida the winningest. Nfl coach of all time probably most famous for the undefeated Dolphins Nineteen seventy-two. The only perfect team. Seventeen no I know that you're very fond of Don Shula. So I wondered what you thought about his life and his career told me when I heard it was just sort of devastating to me. I guess I'm of a certain age where that might happen. Sort of naturally just following football but then when I covered the NFL for the Washington Post. That was sort of the end. Part of Don Shula's extraordinary run and I was just sort of fascinated in awe of him in awe of what was able to do as a coach in terms of think about this. He started his career with a quarterback named John United States. He goes to greasy and moral and then Dan Marino and think how different those each one of those men was as an athlete and temperament is Shula. Didn't say well you know I. I gotTa Redo my thing. I'm threatened by that. I don't want to Redo my system. He didn't do any of that. He's okay. I'm going to figure out how to best use the talents of this particular man at this particular time. And how different could you get? The Greasy teams. Were bombed. Greasy would sometimes throw the ball twelve times a game and Dan Marino. Putting it up there forty times a game. This is the same man over a period of whatever thirty three years I was just in awe of him as a coach and a man. So I'm not GonNa let that point go for a second because this is a man who coached in Baltimore. He had Johnny Unitas and in Miami. He had Dan Marino. And this is not unlike Phil Jackson having Michael Jordan in Chicago and having Koby Bryant in Los Angeles. These are all time great. Quarterbacks I'M GONNA do a couple of statistics here because I think they're meaningful. He was the head coach for thirty three years. Seven with the Baltimore. Colts twenty six with the dolphins. And that's a long time. He had three hundred. Twenty eight regular season wins and three forty seven if you count the plus Mike. That's an average of of a little over ten year and he when he started they were playing. I think twelve games a year and then they went to fourteen and then they went to sixteen. It's a remarkable amount of wins. He had two losing seasons had to thirty three years. Two losing seasons I mean the the length and breadth of his career is stunning. He did other things as well. He was involved with a golf course. He was involved with restaurants. I always found him to be very affable guy. I found him. Sorta like Arnold Palmer. No people said I never found him. Gruff you never did. Did you would know Antonio. Avi might've been that way when he was younger before I ever got around him but I but he was so tough. His players always talked about how tough he was yet. There was a different gear and he was certainly Tony a charismatic man. I thought and so. Yeah I mean there's so sides to him but when you look at the record the numbers that you mentioned the the three hundred plus wins in there only three guys with that. Halis and BELLA CHECK BEHIND. Shula is just the whole thing is extraordinary. I'm just going to say this this one thing about him. He's on my Mount Rushmore. I got I got lombardi. I got Bill Walsh and I and I've got Belichick I assume he's on everybody's Mount Rushmore as an NFL football coach. And you know what he looked more like an NFL football coach. Then anybody I would agree with you about that. Mount Rushmore Tony. I mean Shula's on it. I don't care who you are where you from. What you're rooting interest were if it's going to be a credible than Don Shula has to be on it. Tony we're going to transition to another football story over the weekend. Andy Dalton signed a one year deal with the Dallas cowboys for three million dollars. Reportedly the cowboys say this deal does not impact how they feel about deck press gotten tone should deck feel threatened by this move okay. I don't think that the cowboys went out there to try to threaten Dak Prescott. I don't think this is aimed at Prescott. I think they thought they could pick up the best backup quarterback in the NFL. And Andy Dalton but should he feel threatened yes? He should feel threatened because Andy Dalton took Cincinnati to the playoffs. Four times since he's a bad franchise. Dallas is a good franchise. Dallas has paid a lot of money for great wide receiver. A lot of money. For a great running back they can't have a nondescript backup but if something happens to Prescott. Andy Dalton has the capability of going in there and being a big time player. Yeah Yeah Tony I I duNno Dak Prescott well enough to know whether he does feel threatened by this. But let's face it the cowboys can't they can't come to the deal. That Prescott really wants or did they really want the long term deal and you gotta go out and get insurance. I mean forget the contractual status the NFL. These days list. You Got Brady your breeze you you need to guys. Even Aaron Rodgers gets hurt every now and then it has to be out for a while. You need a like. You said a credible backup quarterback to make that thing go given the other investments. They've made at why receiver running back so it may not aimed at Prescott but it seems like it's a pretty shrewd and sound move given today's NFL and so press got maybe sitting there thinking. This has nothing to do with me. My team and I will go about getting the we want. And maybe that'll be the case but nice insurance policy signing by the Dallas cowboys by the way brees got hurt last year right. Teddy Bridgewater came out. That's why everybody gets. This makes sense for Andy Dalton he lives in Dallas he went to TCU. Who knows if there's going to be a season this basically gives him a year at home. Prescott is very durable and dependable. Sixty four straight START EVERY. Just think what happened. Mike. Is I think that that. He had a lot more leverage yesterday than he does today. I think this cuts into leverage little bit and for people that don't know the great editor of The Washington Post Benjamin Bradley. He would have called this creative tension. We only the things. She is absolute little bit of creative tension. I got a story for you in the NBA. All Right Sean Marks. The general manager of the Nets is a native New Zealander. He was asked by New Zealand paper if Kevin Durant might return to the nets if they finished the season and go to the playoffs and mark said. Let me get this quote right. That's a one hundred ten million dollar question. We're never going to push him to get back. But I'll tell you this. Before the pandemic he looked like Kevin Durant unquote. I'll ask you. We'll bond should the nets push Kevin Durant to come back. No they shouldn't they shouldn't push into come back and the only way let them come back. I mean he'd have just he'd have to wow me in such a way and he'd have to insist you'd have to be at my door knocking on it saying put me in coach. I'm ready to play. I'd I wouldn't do it Tony. The New York New York. The New York Nets. I know you wish they weren't going back to your days on Long Island. Twenty the nets are not GonNa win anything this year even if they come back with a short playoff format even come back three out of five all the way. They're not winning now. And so you got this big investment and Kevin Durant just given to. Whenever they come back through he could go through a normal camp. That's pushed me two months later. Perhaps a season starts in December. I mean all these things were in favor of him. Having suffered that injury so given the risk and the possible reward there ain't that much war because the nets ain't winning. Now I would I would. I would almost force him to wait. I'M GONNA go the other way on this one. I'M NOT GONNA say they should push him. I'm going to say they should ask him. They've got in payroll. Ooh three hundred million dollars between him and Kyrie Irving if they start the playoffs right now. The Nets are seventh which means I think they would play Toronto. I think if Kyrie Irving and Kevin durant ready to play. I think they can win the east. I don't know about Kyrie Irving these are not. These are unhappy people. These are moody. People temperamental people. But if you tell me Mike that both of them can play not just one because with just one even durant. They're not GONNA win. You're right but if both of them can play. I'm going to ask that question if they say no. I'm going to live with it but I'm going to ask that question. Because if we pushed to August or September that's almost like next season. I know Tony. But he'd have to initiate it for me. Kevin Durant and his people would have to initiate and then insist and insist and insists them where I was going to say this as much as I love. Kevin Durant is player. Tony I don't see Kevin Durant and Kyrie irving making the nets a threat next season. I just don't injuries too hard to come back from Kyrie's injured all the time is to come back from. I don't see them being a serious threat in the east bigger than healthy. Toronto phillies going to get themselves together. Or if they will or Milwaukee so i. I don't particularly Boston. I don't particularly see that he'd have to knock down my door if I'm sean marks before I see us as just me Tony. This next story comes from the Moon. A former expos. Groundskeeper tells the Montreal gazette that Pete Rose Pete Rose yes regularly had hits back corked bats. I'm talking about Plora court. While playing for the expos. In one thousand nine hundred eighty four the groundskeeper quotes another expos employee as saying Rose Court his bats for twenty years and nobody checked them because he was a singles hitter. Tom Seriously now. Would you look at Pete Pete? Rose's career any differently. If you found out there was truth in this then he corked bats. Okay so I think Pete Rose did more damage to himself maybe than any player ever when he bet on. Games as a manager to me that is worse than steroids. That is worse than banging on a garbage can because what it means is if you're not betting that day you don't really have to care about winning. I would still put Pete rose in hall of fame and now I would just add another line type so that the plaque would be the longest in town all Pete rose's misdeeds and the the other thing that I would say about this because I know you're going to say this is it corking a bat if you do it stupidly like Sammy Sosa and explodes all over the Infield. That's different but if you cork back. That's sorta within the parameters of acceptable cheating. We can catch you at that. You know and then you won't do that again to me. I mean all those hits. What's the number here? Forty one hundred ninety seven or something. No no that was that was tied COB. No forty two hundred and fifty six corking. A Bat. Doesn't get you all those hits. It just doesn't he was one of the greatest hitters of all time but he was but you know what? Tony for me. It's not just the courting of the bats. How far can you go with Pete? Rose I mean seriously if this is true corking his first of all the one thing I find it difficult to believe one. Reason is because this can't stay a secret for twenty years. You we know clubhouses you know how they operate. These guys are not just GonNa stay silent. Whoever helped him cork bats for this is forty years later. Tony I saw time seeing it. You don't believe it because the guy who allegedly court the bat this was his comment are not at liberty to to discuss it. That doesn't sound like a big time. Denial to me. I'm not alone and it was true as I ask you if they could be the tipping point because it does help you right. Because that might be flagged down and backhanded by First. Baseman is through the gap between first and second. And that's another hit for Pete. Rose I. It's just unthinkable. Pete rose stories at this point. Tony I just start laughing when I heard this. Okay I mean Charlie Hustle righties. He's the prototype ballplayer take every advantage. He possibly could. I don't disbelieve it. I guess you do. I don't think I I have a little skeptical as we throw it back to sage in Kevin. We'll see if they're skeptical. Gyco has the insurance industry leading APP. That lets you manage your policy anytime anywhere. Which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like animal control when you're cornered in your garage by angry possum you guys said you would be here about an hour ago and I think the positive is starting to get angry. Listen I thought it would go away. But now it is ripping holes in the drywall and making some SORTA nest. Just back GEICO. Always there for you with savings and the industry leading mobile APP glasses. Let's get the legal pad for the happy happy thirty first birthday. Rory mcilroy on the verge of getting sneaky old mcelroy's the number one ranked Golfer in the world the reigning PGA Tour Player of the year. And for my money the conscience of the sport. He declined to play in that proposed new limited field. Huge money golf tour. That would siphon off the best players from the PG and European tours saying the tours that exists now or just fine. Thank you mcelroy. Is One four majors missing? Only the masters for the Career Slam. He won the US. Open the congressional in two thousand eleven. He's got to pee. Titles and the British his best finish at the masters was fourth in two thousand fifteen and it is not hard to remember him hitting it. So far left off the tee at Augusta in two thousand eleven that the ball almost landed in South Carolina. Just this week mcilroy. Hit balls for the first time. In nearly two months mcilroy Rickie Fowler Dustin Johnson and Matthew Wolf will carry their own bags and played for charity at Seminole Golf Club in Florida on Saturday may seventeenth in a match. Sunday rather may seventeenth in a match. It will be televised on. Nbc Robot. Tony I can't remember seminole ever being on television. Am I right about that? No I mean with a very excited about it look just to get live several excite act and to have that televised that outstanding here by the way I mean. It's been so long since rory hit balls you hit balls. Says Rory's involves it's amazing talk about a vaca-. No I haven't because my state is completely closed down down. Oh yeah happy not like Arizona. Happy Anniversary Charles Barclay on this day. Twenty six years ago. Barkley scored a career high fifty six points in a playoff game to lead phoenix to a first round sweep of the Golden State Warriors Barclay. Shot Twenty three thirty one. Thirty eight points at the half and also got fourteen rebounds. We do this anniversary to remind people like Draymond Green. What a great player. Barkley was insurance. She may have been the most powerful player ever. The Jordan documentary reminds us. What a golden age basketball the eighty s and ninety s were people. Who are now thirty years old? Have no idea bark as a player. They only know him as a Chroma. Jalil Pundit on TV so chatty and likable. It's the same way with many fabled announcers very few people remember what a find football coach John Madden was what a good Golfer Nick Faldo was. Charles Barkley was as good on the court as he is in the booth. Great on the court. There's a gain seven. He played against Shawn Kemp. Boys and girls maybe youtube him. We have forty eight points and twenty four rebounds in a game seven to advance in the playoffs Charles. A great great great great player and if people are forgetting that's why you can't even that's why took exception. Isaiah Thomas Sandon Kevin Durant and Lebron. James would have dominated the eighties and the nineties. No they wouldn't have. They would've won some but they weren't gonNA dominate. People like Isaiah like Charles. Barkley Glad Tony. I'm glad we had this anniversary. Remind people are great. Our friend Chuck was happy trails to the field and the Virtual Kentucky Derby Secretary of proved he was the gray disturbing horse of all time in a star studded virtual Kentucky Derby. This thing was amazing. It looks totally real unlike the simulated NASCAR races were. Today's drivers are competing. This was the greatest field ever assembled open only to the thirteen horses have won the triple crown from Sir Barton in Nineteen nineteen to justify in two thousand. Eighteen race was designed to replicate these horses in their Kentucky. Derby runs Seattle slew for most of the race with secretary citation happening. Slough in the last sixteen the Actual Kentucky Derby was scheduled for this past Saturday and has been postponed until September for a September fifth rather the virtual race was to raise money for the fight against Corona virus and the goal was two million dollars. If you think secretary would have beaten all these sources close in the Derby do it again in the Belmont Secretary to win by thirty lengths shoutout secretariat. So you know of course. I paid no attention to this. Let me applaud both the creativity. And the charitable nod. Here I mean there's there's nothing to criticize about it. You Know I. I rarely get in position to watch the live race the real race. But I'M GONNA do that if it comes off this year. I'm gladly sit in front of the TV and watch the Kentucky Derby everything else. I can get my eyes on. Come over to my house we will watch the Derby together. We'll both have mint juleps. You will not drink yours I will drink yours and mine. Mint juleps really really okay. That's awfully in the spirit of is it se Jin. Kevin will throw it back to you in Bristol.

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Brian Moses & Pat Barker

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1:07:26 hr | 2 years ago

Brian Moses & Pat Barker

"Yeah. My life foot on jam on it like bathe that one of our station presell, and I have listened to so much fish, and I just had for years and years the I mean so much and just waste is an ideal. Can't let what I'm enjoying so much is the re discovery reentry visit courses tweezers reprise. It's the reprise of this in my life. Just shows me that you know, you go down a very narrow path at times of indie rock, and this and that and then you forget about all the things that got you to this place. Yeah. And it's always good to go back. And remember a little bit of what of the things that you love back then today, hang out. So and do they completely comple- you as a person exactly, and they do welcome to view, the cheap seats? We have the Sklar brothers are on the show today are to do who are amazing. They participate in the rose. Oh, which we think is probably the best competition based or even like sports comedy crossover, which is those guys the comedy what it is. But it is like a sports competition boxing match in its or you have c- fight or it's amazing to people. Enter in one person remains victorious or becomes victorious in the end. Anyway, they do the roast battle podcast here on starboard. So we're gonna talk to them. And then later on the show Chris Christopherson gives his unique take on tanking. Many people can say that he's been taking less ten years of his life. But we will talk about maybe there's a method to the C, and then we get into stuff with the with the guys we are going to talk about what basically our touch a little bit on what we've already talked about what we're gonna talk about right now, which is this whole Colin Kaepernick situation. So there is a settlement. There was a settlement this week. He got millions tens of millions of dollars in settlement. We don't know how much it is. Because basically, he's not allowed to talk about it. But I'm an assume it's between fifty and sixty minutes between. Sixteen eighty million dollars. Whatever it is. Once you get up that high. It doesn't matter and which by the way sounds like a lot of money, but it could be equivalent to contracts. He could have gotten in the last couple of years yet. But he didn't get hit his career took a hit his image took it from a lot of people. But what I think we've found out with this settlement people are gonna be like he lost. Why didn't he I've been hearing this on on on news and on social media and on sports talk, pundits bad? It was all about money. And Dan, Patrick who? I love was like he should've stuck it to the NFL. He should have gone all the way to the point where you're getting them to air to literally put all their most embarrassing things out there at the potential of losing you might lose. But you win the battle of showing them how much they quote unquote colluded and let the public say to keep him out of the league. But to us, you feel like can could he have had his cake and eat it too to only way this is about the only way he could do that. Because. What do we know about the NFL the NFL if they feel like they can go after someone and take them down? They will just will be any large corporation won't settle if they feel like they got a chance to win. So because they have the financial resources behind them to pummel at home and and write Troy, right? And and just literally and the legal teams and legally would have loved to have blasted con capture Nick into oblivion for all the problems that he's created. So if it's even or they have the they have the strength of case at all they're going to go for it. And try and Blau even argue if they if it's slightly tilted the other way, but if they still have a way to a way to win. So Colin Kaepernick, getting them to settle in my opinion, one he won because you know, the NFL there something that they didn't want you to know is something out there in the world that they did tax messages between owners emails back and forth. Because the truth matter is the last two years, we've watched shady. Backup quarterbacks. You know? When guys get injured people just a person, I don't wanna aired marriage. Blaine gabbert. I mean, he's okay Gabar yoga gabbert, he's fine. But I'm even add Hanney were Michigan starting quarterbacks. Like, Blake Bortles, you say to yourself wise, a p j J P Lawson. How are these guys like still in the league backing people up and Colin Kaepernick does not have a job? It was and the and teams are coming out being like he doesn't have the football skills. He doesn't that's your don't say that you're just covering it up. You just covering up. Why you don't want him in the league? And then, you know, and now there's a little bit of talk. Randy that he that someone like Robert Kraft, even though he's a close friend of the president. Who's would be airy liberal guy like you? If you watch them dance with Cardi B. I called him cardiac be cardiac arrest be cardiac arrest be happening. That was right. You know, some people are saying we'll grab capper Nick as a backup for Brady. And if you do that then you were going to ensure that he'll he will not play in the league for the next five years because unless Brady gets hurt he's playing every game. Do you're gonna shelf them in a certain way, you're going to keep them quiet and shelf him in a certain way. Maybe and he might have to learn the patriot way I'm listening, by the way to gladiator which is fascinating fascinating about Aaron Hernandez. And we're learning ton about what a dish bag urban Meyer was fast and all that stuff. But just in the patriots. It's just fascinating. But yeah, he could go the patriots. If he does like what second due to Robert Kraft's relationship with Donald Trump could be really interesting that it's going to be built and craft would be the one making that decision. Yep. Craft would be the one pulling that somebody was saying he'd go down to Carolina if especially if Cam Newton sits out I mean to me, what is what is in the settlement? We don't know because neither side can talk about it who's backing up Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh who's backing up Rothlisberger. Roth. Burgers, getting old. You're gonna lose Antonio Brown. You're gonna lose you're gonna lose lady on bell. Now slap the tag on him. You're gonna lose lady on bell. It's going to be a rebuilding year. What do you have to lose? Pittsburgh of all the cities. I feel like also Wilson Russell Wilson. Seattle to always to me a landing spot for Colin Kaepernick. It just be, you know, I'm happy to see Eric Reid's still in the league again because our position on the protests was he is not anti troops. He is not. And he is with a navy seal to to do the best most respectful, non violent protests what he felt protesting the national anthem. He's protesting mistreatment of black people by the cops in America. He's using this platform, and what's interesting is. I think what would what would have been exposed if sort of details in full discovery irregular court car come out of his another way to do it. What's the other way? He could do it. You know, you know, I guess, you know. When Peyton Manning yells, Omaha Omaha. Maybe capper Nick, if he was behind center could be like the cops are rude to black people onto cops are shooting black kids on three he could do that. And maybe that's one way to get it out there. I guess, but there's a less overt more respectful path, and he of nonviolence and non pushing, and he did it and bald and was blackballed by think we and that is kind of the takeaway. So in the settlement. No the league wasn't officially accused of blackballing him. But they wouldn't have backed down and went back there if they think that there wasn't enough there. And so I actually think Hong cabernet has cemented himself. Whether he plays in the league again or not he is early combined, some new sneakers sneaker he is cemented himself. Have you? Unbeliev- unreal. The greatest thing he's cemented himself in history that like he in and if he wants to be an activist and take on causes. He now has that platform because I think people will listen to him. So I fell you lost. And and I believe Capital One, even though it was evil, and even and it was not evil. But even though it was even all right? We're gonna talk a little bit about cabernet in the fact that there some clothing stores and sports memorabilia stores are not surviving. That's an segment three segment three. But when we come back after the break, Pat Barker, very funny guy gives us some his best Pete Rose jokes that were never told rose jokes. And then Bryan, Bryan, Moses we back. 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It was reduced to my basic ambles. Romburg any? The billable wherever putt guests are found. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the show. We have on to people that we just love we love hanging out with they know their sports, and they have an amazing podcasts that we have done called rose battle podcast on they're involved with like the only comedy split sports version of comedy that has ever worked. Tommy version of sports. I'm sorry comedy version, sports, all the rose battle. It is Bryan Moses. And of course, Pat Barker that it was of course, Pat Barker, but Brian Moses was a bit of a. Yeah. Could've been my Moses. Pat, Barker, welcome to the fucking most is how are you doing my month? You guys just keep insulting me. I just don't understand. This is your month. You should be. I mean, it's really my fortnight. But listen we booked you here in February. We brought you here in February this how much we were literally owing to black history month you could come here in March. Is that by the way that podcast history? Oh, you guys went and book to me showed up five minutes late. And then complained as soon as he got on the Mike. Why are we giving these people a month? People don't. I just don't see your we there. Don't group us in your win than these people. I was trying to think of insi- came and come up with insults. Guys. Pat. You showed us pictures of you when you were fat fat Barker fatter when you were fat Barker, he you he just husky. Now you now you just keep, but I'm happy to see you're getting healthier. My man, I'm very happy. And we love doing the podcast to the podcast. And that is the only guy who the only guy in the history who had his breast stapled. Sure. I told there. Lactating and it was half and half. No pass win. Pat Barker lactated, it was just straight butter. I guess this is how much we love it two nights ago wouldn't from recording. This we were judges on the rose battle. And you know, you know, our lives, you guys, we we're we're like helping kids with homework and putting them down to sleep at night and like to to go from where we are to then enter the thunderdome upstairs at the it is such a transformation for us. And there are moments where I'm like, oh, my house is so warm. I don't wanna get in the car driver. We get over there. And it is like my favorite thing in the world to make you laugh to see the battles themselves that are just to hear coach t just the quickness with which he creates lives in audio joke. That is just so on point to have you in the back of our ears. Just pitching us like jokes and stuff to like throw out there as well. Or just even watch you battle, Pat. It's just to me. I love it so much in this last Tuesday, reinforced that we're. Phrasing happened in that whole thing was you said, our wives that you said your lies Jesse Sma. Let said help with homework, and we put them down like you. Put your daughter's down down put them down with them and put them into the sleepy put him down execution style. Face the wall, get on your knees and then go to bed. Yeah. We read a mistake. To battle becomes like the purge Moses might have kids. He doesn't know dude. I have crazy stories. We can't talk about. Yeah. No. I mean unless week. Oh, what donated one hundred fifty dollars the plan b? In like, forty eight hours. It was crazy. We'll talk about we let talk about it. Yeah. I mean we ball and LeBron this. We'll let your lawns. Liangelo. Children. Why marley? Angela. Why are they distributing in Croatia? What's happening play any ball? Play any ball shit in China. So let's let's talk real quickly. Because I when we were at the store there night. And you know, you're coming here. You told me that you almost did you almost roasted Pete Rose. Yeah. You're from Philly. Pete Rose, a childhood idol you were super geek to do this event. And then what happened? I mean, I've written for a whole bunch of sports roasts. But this was the first one where they were gonna fly me out. I was going to be on the day. They were inducting Pete Rose into the Phillies wall of fame, and they were building that. The p don't spoil all my jobs. They were building a whole weekend around it. And we're going to honor him with a roast Phillies hall of fame in the Phillies hall of and about ten days before the roast story came out where he was a serial statutory rapist for many years, you knew the only statute that he would get built for. Do you know how that story came out his white his ex wife or someone like that? No. So the story came out because of Pete Rose's own greed. It's almost like a bible story that has like a message or the microcosm of his entire life. Yes. So so what happened? So what happened was when John Dowd investigated him for betting on baseball. Right. He found all these stories about Pete Rose getting fifteen and sixteen year old girls out of the crowd getting them back to the clubhouse. I got almost fourteen year old that is as me all should it's crazy. But John doubt it wasn't relevant to the investigation. So he never included it in the gambling thing. But then he went on a few radio shows where the hosts were like, oh, he should be in the hall of fame, and he sort of alluded to it. He was like, well, there's other stuff that isn't in the investigation. I mean Taikang killed a guy. So I'm in the hall of fame, isn't, you know, right killers listening to this fifteen bucks a pill on that. John went on the radio, and basically spilled the beans about Pete Rose having these relationships, even though it was true, Pete Rose. Here's this years later keeping on these interviews happened. Nobody picked up on them. They completely went away. If Pete Rose just shut up nobody would have ever known, but Pete Rose years later decides to sue him for defamation. So now, John Dowd has to go and get the girls and two for his defense in Hayes goverry. So all that stuff will get we talked about this at the top of the show that you did not hear which is kind of the reason why the NFL caved on cabinet is like if you take this to a real court. There will be discovery. We will see text messages. You will totally understand what we all new owners and the breath of the collusion, the depth and the breadth of the perversion will come out. Yeah. And think about the dummy Pete get great. But by the way, that is he was greedy. That is when you look at all the players that's him. Putting? Ending a guy's career during the all star game by bumped by running into fossil Fossey like you don't need to do that, bro. Does that change anything in your? No, it just shows what a fucking asshole. You are never would be like like slide guys livelihood, and you ended his career and you got greedy start gambling on games that you're managing you're managing. And by the way, when you say a his defense was I didn't gamble at all. I didn't came on all the game. I have it on the ones. I thought we could win so used so when you didn't game on the game you were making moves to make yourself lose. It's like you. You don't no one ever gambles and says I'm gonna win every time. Right. You're gonna lose some and by the way, no team has ever one hundred and sixty two ballgame. So, you know, you're gonna lose some on the ones you think you're gonna lose into to me is he got greedy the same thing with Barry Bonds. I've what we said this before like Barry Bonds if he doesn't touch steroid. Okay. Just does not touch it. All he maybe hits four four hundred fifty home runs. Five hundred home runs. He steals. Five hundred bases. Three thousand hits hits three hundred thousand RBI. One of the best fielders of all he goes down like Willie McCovey nationally, Ken Griffey. He goes out as one of the first ballot hall of Famer goes down as one of the best of all time in the hall of fame. You can't wires. Is like I can't let these guys best me. I don't blame him for that team. Barry Bonds on that. Are you really? Yeah. Team. Barry Bonds team, Lance Armstrong, anytime Armstrong. Yeah. He noted I let me let me. I'm team Lance Armstrong. Insofar as him taking Sarah did doping about force not not the way he ruined people's lives who accused him. I also an ruined forced other people on the team to go down his path. Even if they didn't want to stop it. Those are grown men eating in a sport which everybody was doping. All right. Let me put it. This. I roll out of bed with cancer. Now. I gotta dry four hundred miles through the French Alps and everybody else's on steroids. Because analyst that you are a comedian. You're an Kabbal other comedians. Right. What Jeff Ross says to you. Hey, man, I need you to do this illegal thing in comedy. I need you to steal these seven jokes. Right. Because we need your act to be strong enough. He would never do that. He would never do that. I'm just saying what if someone says it will start talking really was so no. But what I'm saying is what if somebody says to you? Let's put in the in the comedy context. Someone above you, who's giving you a job who's putting you. On TV as part of the show goes, hey, man, see, these three rows jokes of the three best roast jokes ever. And they were told in the comedy store when no one really saw them. You gotta take them. And you gotta put him in your set tonight because we need your set to kill. We can't have you do we I saw your jokes. And they're okay. But they're not as good as these three put these in. And you would personally be maybe have a conflict with it. But if he's like don't mess with this. You're off the shore or do for this way, you know, this and Jeff Ross has made me several hundred dollars throughout my life. And I feel like I went to him. Would never ask anyone to do. Nearly every other comedian comedy central Zack's it. Zack's it. And and nobody was getting in trouble for it. That's a different story. But we don't know if nobody's getting like the hammer falls. And then everyone gets in trouble. Here's here's here's a classic classic. Classic cliche. It's hate the playoffs. I hate the player hit the game. Right. I hate the game. There's a Classic Cliche that I. To understand the game. Not the play. Okay. So then hate the game. Don't hate Lance Armstrong. Exactly. Hey, Barry Bonds. Yep. I if everybody's doing it in the they're also in that game doing it. And they did a better than everybody else than why we hitting them, you know, because I you know, what I would I would say like ran, and I also by the way that they belong there. There's Samaritan that. Okay. There's some in that. Because Jay Jay has actually a really good idea, which I think if we can project out wins above replacement and in like a statistic like war, which you can't really it's a speculative. It's like based on all the things. He did how many wins is he above the guy who speculatively he would be replacing. Okay. Would replace him. If you can project that out why can't you like project in some way? And I'll use home runs as the example, what a non steroid home run season of that sort here. Here's why because hitches renewing to this. There's pitcher they're doing it to pursue. Also, we're in that's sports nutrition age, like late eighties, steroids, ninety that kind of thing. Babe Ruth to deal with that Willie Mays and every deal with that they were drinking and smoking everyday eating hot favorites to deal with black people in the league. Exactly why why is there? No Astras for that. If Babe Ruth had to face satchel page like anytime, she would have got owned, but so nukem. Yeah. Right. So, but I agree with you. But what we're saying is, you know, why can't we come up with some formula? That that reduces the number the and the final result home runs by. All right. Bury bounces hitting these home runs before you knew he was hitting again. I'm gonna go back to that. Babe Ruth was still hitting white guys who were overweight, I mean, knocking those out of the eight mile an hour Lombardi in those catch it was like they're playing for blackboard there. So it's like if we're going to do that for those guys. Yeah, we gotta do for those guys to air for the Jim crow era, you can only judge players in their own era and Barry Bonds, our the majority of the the best players were on steroids. Right. So you say, yeah. I mean, I think he's going to get in. I think he's gonna get in because you know, what the three years left. Yes. He'll he'll get in the veterans barrel. Baynes can get in. Get in. But we we got off topic because I want you to do a couple of your Pete Rose. I made you dig them up. But the last thing to say though, and that is that it may be there is a if we are going to do it for them. We do it for. So you say like sixty home runs that Babe Ruth hit back. Then maybe that if you were to sorta like if he were playing in the eighties Ruth would have him like forty seven or like that. He was a goose Gossage. I'm saying he might or specialized pitchers who were coming in. He was guys that were right? So guys guys were pitching all nine innings. Didn't have like that. So Babe Ruth was a lefty. Right. He wasn't swinging rate is to figure out an and you can totally do this and stats stat nerds somewhere. It would be Cowman chant. How many home runs did Babe Ruth hit after the seventh inning against starting pitching interest? Would be an interesting stat 'cause you say to yourself. Okay. If in Monterey league, they bring in a fucking one hour, Johnny Johnny dead arm fourteenth. Yeah. And the fourteenth sues thrown one hundred fascinating. And then do some sort of an adjustment of what that is. And so then we're all kind of playing on a similar plan. It would be cool. And I think that'd be a fan. Heavier to Beckton. They. Yeah. But you know, what makes it hard? What it does the guy who makes who it raises is level. Then is Hank Aaron Goi Hank Aaron is playing in an age where black people white people were playing and they hated him and he still had home run so much stress. Dude. How scared mojos have been when he hits that home run and two white guys run on. I would have literally been my this is this is how I yeah. I mean that he didn't start knocking motherfuckers out on that field. If you go back go back if he, but he was a nice guy. Like, Reggie Jackson was an asshole Reggie Jackson. We we used to was still. May he recipes and is not. I wanna get a good night's. So we said like we were watching on old cheap seats. We on our our show, cheap seats. They would put little into on ESPN classic show, they'd showed onto this. But so they they would put studio there's little TV's where they would just have footage running running running and like in between takes it would take a while to reset stuff and things we're doing the it would just turn around and watch the footage and they showed like game six the end of game. Six of the Yankees nineteen seventy seven when he hit the three home Jackson three home runs. Okay. At the end of the game. This is fascinating. I mean, I'd never seen this before. Because you don't ever say those three I think he had three home runs in tiger stadium. I are I don't know. Tiger stadium was the all star game where he hit it out stadium. So three home runs in the Enke's was in Yankee six game six and so at the in the ninth inning. There were fans sitting across the water legs hanging over the wall. So ball was off of one of their legs. It's at a home run. Or reach down and grabbing catch sitting with their legs. Hang over the wall. Reggie Jackson goes outta ri- fill with his batting helmet on that tells them like I'm knocks the fuck out. Fucking dudes. Anyone comes in because if they win if they get the three outs then fans are gonna literally going off the wall on the field, and he's got to get to the clubhouse. So he they they get the third out and cameras on Reggie. And he starts barreling through tes and throwing elbow knocking suckers out he's knocking people left. And right in those the first Malay that was the first and it was amazing to watch. And like you kind of like God man, if if I was hanging so again, so Pete Rose, you're like man, if you if you didn't get greedy with if you just were okay with what you were. And who you are. And by the way, his personality was wanting more. And that's why he was a champion. It's why it's why Michael Jordan will never have friends asked Michael Jordan, you you will not have friends my man because you are not a good friend. You are the bass Hobie. You are the best. You're the greatest. You are the greatest of all time. But in being the greatest in your drive to be the greatest you will never ever have like true real friends. I just guarantee that. But like Pete Rose same thing like you had to be the best whatnot in. So you had to if he just would have stayed with his accomplishments on the field. He goes he goes down Eka walk in and get a free meal wherever everyone's and if he's a nice guy, he's like any just couldn't leave that alone. Art. So you rose jokes. Yeah. I'll just I'll just give you a few these droves jokes that never got to be done. Yeah. The Dowd report of roast jokes Pete Peterson gauge to an Asian woman half his age who's clearly only with him for his money. You went from Charlie hustle to getting hustled by Charlie. I wouldn't have said h l I would buy hustle, Charlie. But that's okay. Well, you know, I got time to punch it up. Charlie. From now. We'll I'm sure I'll get invited. Pizza fiancee is so young. He can only get her to go down on by saying here comes the airplane. He'd never played in triple A. But according to John Dowd still spent a lot of time in the minors. Nice. To terrible gambler. He's also creepy guy in general he treats women like blackjack, he always hits on sixteen. More more. On the field. Pete always gave one hundred percent mainly because of the line was ninety seven and a half. And he had the over. And last one p won the Roberto Clemente award, which I assume is given to the player everyone would like to see die suddenly plan crash. Oh too far too far. I don't take you would have laughed at any of those fine. I genuinely have always disliked Pete Rose. So the the hardest part I had with writing the whole thing was the part at the end where you're supposed to say something. Nice. Yes. Pete's really nice guy. I mean, I would just imagine like all the Phillies like all the Phillies guys. Just with the Philly accents. Like Pete Rose belongs in hall of fame. One hundred percent. Philly's got to Asia he belongs into Asia, Whitehall will fame too. So you never got to do those never got to because he just the Dowd report. This was on the heels of I wrote for the David Ortiz roasts and most of my jobs went to rob gronkowski. And then he went completely off book and just did a bunch of racist shit. Oh, yes. And Sarah Tana had some great jokes in that roast. She did she was increasing David Ortiz. I mean, the the Cratia can we even tell that story. The did our T story. Didn't someone say their dad bring him something? What was it? He said this whether or not should we cannot confirm or deny. But they said David Ortiz, and he was actually really cool. But now, we're gonna tell the story that will be probably a story that if that he could like we're saying, we don't know if it's true. So let's be one hundred percent clear, we do now know if it's true, and there's really no way to conservatives come Roosevelt roast battle the scholar both out. Mike big Papi against his two sons. So apparently someone was like the biggest Red Sox fan ever. And he is day brought his dad who's like even bigger. I'm in again. This is crazy about sports. Like when the Red Sox wanted two thousand four like so many people in Boston is like I can die. Now. I can talk into all I had I could die now. Right. So like, no you could have died. Anyway, it doesn't like game. It's like that's the beauty of sports. And that is by the way, rose battle to why love it so much is the hug moment at the end. Is that it for a second as it's happening? It's an it's an illusion. It makes it feel like it's life and death is you're doing it. Yeah. Hanging hanging out. But then you hug afterwards to be like, hey, man. This doesn't mean anything fuses everage if you all it's such a beautiful moment. But so so this guy goes to like get a bat signed 'cause he bought bought it in auction. They'll, but I think you have to sometimes like the memorabilia places go to wherever he is and has him sign a bunch of stuff. So a friend who worked for the memorabilia place that I'll take you can meet David Ortiz, consign. He's gotta sign a bunch of stuff this memorabilia thing he can sign your bad for you. And you get a chance to be David Ortiz. The dad and the son were like freaking out. They love big Papi so much. I mean, he's literally was the in my opinion. He's the heart of that team throughout their however many for World Series. They won. Oh, yeah. Even though he wasn't even there this year. Like, you're the heart of that team. Okay. So they go to his hotel room because where he's staying. I think they're forgot where they were. They weren't didn't live in Boston. But he was there in town in there. Go the hotel room knock on the door. Big Papi comes out. He's in a towel. Just towel around his waist. And there is this what they said a naked man in bed and big Papi. Just walks them in. I mean, they're literally no one says aiming to the naked dude in the bed signs all the shit and something for them signs over them. And they walk out. Oh, I was worried. He wasn't going to sign the autographs. No. But I mean, like almost as if to say you're not gonna say anything like who news like where's that going around the big Papi's game? I mean like could completely take him down. In a Mike Lee are considered. Which is to not be true say it's people who are ready to be out. So we don't know that we don't know. But like that is a crazy crazy is that that probably was doing Howard. It was to come at me. Are you both or now where are you a Laker fan? I'm Mike an exa Dell three early nineties and their traffic or three. Pig miller. You know what I mean? George Lynch, George one of the greatest best one engine history. George George Lynch. Lynch played North Carolina, dude, he played for in North Carolina last name Lynch as a black, man. Pretty powered. Yeah. I mean, he was he was guy looked like it was forty when he was eight. Right. Hard face. Last name be hanging numbers. Jordan was offended when he was helping Jesse small. Come on. So are let's talk about the Lakers. Are they gonna make playoffs this year? Yes. Now, first of all, I love this. That's crazy, by the way. Days. That's that's lack of basketball knowledge on patch. Police star three games the clippers are fading because they don't have a legit score any more than six man, Sacramento second. They're getting to eighth seed really young never Aaron FOX. Yeah. Really? You know, they have hardest goes in the Lakers. Right. You know, your team just lost by like thirty to the hawks. Okay. That we just beat the Celtics in Boston the the regular season. Look, I think LeBron will do what it takes to get them across that to get. It's twenty five games left. People always runs. I always that noise. The rocks going to be twenty five and one at one point. Lebron was completely healthy. I would agree with you. But I have seen him play since he came back from the groin injury. It's not moving the same way. He's not the same. But he just had a week of he goes through seven or eight minute periods where he just doesn't. The ball. I don't know if it's to send a message. I helix completely disinterested out there. Also, like what if you're on the if you're on the team are you saying like, I'm gonna like, why would I even do you? Try your coat your showcasing either stay or. So bad. So I read an article like what if no one comes like, there was every might have every scenario is played out that like all right? Anthony davis. He's not coming there. He's gonna go somewhere you go the clippers, by the way, you think Anthony the clippers. I heard quite Leonard is going to I hear that too by the way. So and I heard like Kevin Durant to the Knicks. Kyrie Irving to the Knicks. I mean to mix and some people trying to push James Dolan out and be smart owner, though. So it's tough. I mean, I could see Jimmy Butler. I was gonna say you guys going miss. Jimmy, Butler, my documents my dark, horses, clay, if Kevin Durant lease I feel like clearly clay too. I think Durant leaves which grow. Gold state do everything they can to lock them and be like member our team that won. We did it the first time except that Claes dad is the color guy. I mean that initial Hillard colored guy color guy on the on the Lakers broadcast. So you know, he's got a lot of people in his earphone there. Yeah. Got a lot of people in his ear saying come on down here in more shots. He would get a lot more shots to me that sort of a player would make it my other dark horses book. I feel like when your contract he'll come to. I don't even think that's much of a dark horse. Not by the way. Boogie. I think boogie comes down here to me a depleted but back into the book is fun back in the career. Well, better than what the Lakers ever, find fine. Are you are you happy with the seventy Sixers because the again, the the deal they just made in credit like trade with so much better than the Jimmy Butler trade to say no parts of Jimmy Butler on a long-term max deal, but he just don't Tobias fits per? With that team. They remade the bench by Harris. Just just ruined every chance Jimmy Butler had to get a max contract because it was like would you rather have this or we have this clearly agree completely agree? Like Jimmy Butler. Gotta teach basically how to get a shot, man. Get him in eighteen foot shot. So that he becomes like just buckets. Yeah. I I completely the the only thing is everybody in Philly is so focused on him not shooting that they're suddenly ignoring the fact that he's almost averaging triple double second year player. I want to I don't want to lose the forest, by the way Johnson can shoot. Either knew the same player to me. I think he's fine. If he does development, which officially old guys usually do. He's going to be great. Right head is that true. He could Magic Johnson fast break to shoot a jump shot. There's no. From the. You know, h. I mean, the only thing. Thing that worries me as a Sixers fan is now and shots or the. The. Take shot. I just worry about him beats health. That's all we got there. Finally, got us awhile. But we got there, but tamper. We're talking about. I mean for real movie theater in Baldwin hills. He's he he was you're right. Maj was amazing. I mean Benson should be like I need to be like that. I tried to talk except that the regular season guys. Don't give a shit. You. Get your ten, but you'll get your double digit and the play offs comes every clamp down and you're in a seven game series, every possession weakness especially against Boston. Like Simmons looked really good against Miami. In the first round. But Boston destroyed Ben Simmons last year. Right. And I think they could do it again this year who played on him was Jaylen Brown on who they playing on. They switched everybody. They they switched everybody. He had one point in the last game. So here's my great in the playoffs. So I think I think because of that show I think Butler Tobias Harris this year, I think that that gets into the finals. The conference finals against Toronto. Iran, a wins the eastern me. So you thing is so underrated L Marcus because when the playoffs happened. That's when you d Marcus. And he's got a shot. Exactly. When the playoffs happen though. This is my fear for for Janas to is like exactly dude does not have shot. So if I'm the team, I'm jamming up the lane. And I'm like, go ahead and shoot a big, man. I wanna see you beat me from the outside. And by the way, you'll hit a few shots. But you aren't you will go. Now you scored twenty eight you don't score forty you score twenty. We're taking away like five year inside. I mean, he'll get his on some open break fast shots, but like by but twenty eight point twenty eight I'll get shop changes in the in the playoffs. Exactly changes in the playoffs. But by the same token, like Toronto's biggest strength is depth and depth. Really doesn't matter nearly as much in the playoffs where you're going with gonna have. So if you have a big man like Marcus oil that's gonna help just Joel Embiid helps in the playoffs to. I'm just saying having the best overall player in the playoffs usually means a lot. And I think I think Yano entered is you can make the argument that he is you could definitely make that arc because arguments Jaanus is better. I think why shoot I. I don't see the the bucks are such a stereotypical regular season NBA team their crushing right now. And they get the playoffs. They're not gonna what two games every day. You think they're going to be the Atlanta Hawks exactly the new form. With that old with the coach and Horford was on the hawks. And you're like, okay. This team is like did they can beat there the pistons. Right. So you got to say I mean, they took the Celtics to seven games last year in the playoffs. And they're a lot better this year than they were Lashio who didn't take the businesses seven games. The Celtics last games this year. Sixers six we lost at five, but you had a chance there. I mean there was there every every game tiebreak game was tight every game. Where I was like two minutes as do bad mistakes as old dudes like us, we loved that. Because when we grew up had not having MBA team in Saint Louis, we love those eighties six or so. Shea Larry Bird punching each other. It was amazing. Because Dr j Andrew, Tony, you know. Cheeks Daryl dockets dogs, Moses Malone. Bobby jones. I mean, those you're six man rotation and the Celtics were in credit. I mean, this is where the Celtics, but those teams and those games were like so fun to watch. It all came down to coaching last year. The Sixers I've never seen a team make so many turnovers out of time out. Yeah, they draw a play and then they would just throw it to the wrong game. So does all come down to coaching? There's an interesting thing. I want you guys thoughts on this. So like does that. Now give you a new perspective on how great LeBron James's because he didn't have a coach in Cleveland essentially on team. Lebron all the way as far as player his off the court shit is a different thing. But I think he what off the court shit. Does. He have just LeBron GM. Okay. Is the worst? But LeBron the player. I I will always be a LeBron apologised. I think he's somehow. Underrated. Because of the amount of people who act like he is not one of the two greatest players vault. I think he clearly is I'm Michael Jordan had a hall of fame coach Kobe Bryant and shack had a hall of fame. Coach Gregg Popovich is a hall of fame. Coach all these teams that have won multiple champion. Another sport Tom Brady has a hall of fame. Coach why Jordan though, baby. Yeah. I'm not I can't I don't know Jordan fame, coach, Jordan hall of fame. Coach Sam Brady. I mean Brady's of a of him. 'cause you're right. I guess you really gonna come back and win his seven. So that he can say I'm greatest athlete of our time of maybe of all time, you're little apologist. And you can't argue not one of the two greatest. But you can't are you? He's not clutch enough because he does check out games. What he thinks. They're gonna lose. He did it in that game six against the warriors last year. He did it game. Mike hit that shuttle checked out of the game. You can see his face him leaving with some of the fans outside and then couldn't get back in a hundred percent. So I just yeah. Because Jordan has killer instinct, he's got to be the guy, and he's got the championships. So you say the Lakers make it you say that could potentially six. It's crazy. We how far realistically in your heart. Do you think the Sixers go in these in these play? I mean saying they might conference finals. I'm not confident in that. I'm not confident that they could beat Toronto Milwaukee or Boston and Indiana's hanging tough in that three spots pets possibility. They could face the Celtics in the first round bounce in the first one is the east, though way more. Super top heavy, but the a lot of. About four teams all you need for everybody up tops gonna win. Although someone is going to be a fifth seed that you think that you don't wanna face. You. Don't wanna face what Charlotte. No, Sixers or Celts. Drop down. And you're like, wow, man, you know. Five you're gonna fall to the five Indiana's currently at three. Not a bad team. They got a lot of good. Underrated. The bonus is good. Good six, man. Yeah. Defense. Well, that's a hell of a cushy job Nate McMillan's doing y'all. My gosh what he's. Mcmillan Nick McMillan black people can't coach. That's really sad. We've said on Negmi mill improves it can. Should we take a break? Let's take a break. We'll do quick hits. I love it. We're often running the podcast. It's the roast battle podcast. It is so good. We've done it. We were on it really cool to do like in the in the midst of the TV show going on that was super fun. You know this. You know, this is cautious. Clay, Cold War? Come on dig it. Yes. Really good to him. I thought this was Victor Oladipo. Guess what you're turned me onto that? He's like you gotta listen to this Victor depot. He's really good. This depot track. I mean on believable. You see the thing. He did with the dust brothers kidding. All right back with more of the seats. Bryan. Moses. Pat Barker to this. Started this job. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the show. Love these guys. That's great sports. Talking. Great podcast, the rose petal podcast. You can follow Brian Moses at race banning on Twitter at FOX Compton on Instagram because we we know because we follow both Pat Barker comedy on everything, but we don't follow him. No. Why would we thanks guys? Very few people follow that because he's so slow there usually walking through. Let's get into some tickets because some stuff has happened this week in the in the world of sports that is definitely worth talking. See we talked to the top of the show, and we got into it without you guys. But just regarding the whole, Colin Kaepernick settlement thing. And I think this is an interesting thing is that you know, can only happen to a Colorado business. You know, it's like a Colorado business like, you know, this why couldn't this happen to the place that wanted to not make cakes for a gay wedding. You know what I mean? Like why that's that's what sets me about that. Business owner forced to close after pulling all Nike items in protest cabinet twenty your business higher bit. And I made a small business closing, but bro, don't take this is it don't take such national could dump stand on something. You didn't understand like you think? So you got it wrong. You think that has all the owners are are white. That's just right. I get that. And they're all friends with Trump. And that's what it is like, and so they're gonna see things the way that they see things. But like come on you line is black. That's what they're trying to bottom line is black. Oh. John williamson. Blows out his shoe Nike stock. That's crazy. Why is it tank because people like I'm not buying a shoe if it's gonna blow? Yeah. I don't want that day. I it's going to fuck up all my three sixty windmill dunks. I can't wear that. She says the guy who's never touched the rim befo. He's. Ladder when I was like fifteen I was broke my leg. Sports a sporting goods store in Colorado Springs. Colorado Springs, probably the most minded area real. Yeah. It's what our air force. Denver was we said that we we note town it used to have a beer fest east of beer town of craft beer town. We took over, but they still have the beer festival or like it kind of feels out of place to have a beer festival in a wheat helmet. Having a beer festival. We'd time be like having a book festival in Colorado. There you go. So that's why we love you. Colorado Springs, come out to Denver on you. Come out conservative. Take shot it's closing stores after more than twenty years of business on Monday owner Stephen March Steve Steven Martin Steve Martin. Texas funny that he he'll bad for the actual wild his quote, he said. Ager jerky his quote, where he said will not selling Nike at a at a sporting goods stores like, you know, not selling milk at a grocery store with that. Yeah. He said, no. He said was well, it turns out, I guess, you know, people being sports without Nike milk store without milk. I mean, what are you taking a stand gonna let this guy shine a light on bad treatment of certain we're by the way, we're pulling my microphone, and then he said, and then he said, which is crazy. He said perhaps there are more capital supporters than I realize. Heparin supporters people like Nike K b. Yeah. Capper Nick supporters like because you got it wrong. So marred, you think the camper Nick is anti troops. What Kabir Nick is anti mistreatment of people, and everyone is anti-middle. So he cancelled a, you know with players who protest the anthem is on its head of probably cancelled a planned autograph session with Denver. Broncos linebacker Brandon Marshall in two thousand sixteen after Marshon the protesting Marshall's decision to uses. As much as I hate to admit this, perhaps they're more Brandon Marshall conquer Nick support. It's out there. Then I really thought he had closed his business. Good. Fuck. Everybody has the right to do whatever they think, but it's kind of like how when Nike back Colin Kaepernick, you read any of the online comments, and it's all like never buy Nike. Can't good luck. You guys are gonna go out of business within a year away, amber. And indeed is Adidas right now is owning owning the street. Okay. Easy's, but they look like they do easy for any day. Now feel babies about the is that is quite Leonard events. Have you seen the commercial though? Oh, just him laughing. Shoe? So the back of the shoe, literally, it's an all white shoe and the new this black print says Hawaii, it's time. It's bad. It's fun. It's horrible fun. Leonard. Period, Leonard with actual punctuation period at the end of Leonard on the on the right shoe on the couple of the verb. -lanta is quite the subject. Let. So that's crazy. So listen, just dummy. I hope you win you're in a box. You proud of sticking your gun. He stuck to literally stuck to your stupid gun. Okay. Now. I know Floyd Mayweather is tough. Just ask everyone. He's ever been. He is count those guys like to eighty. Zero. He's never lost lose in court on never locked. But yeah, he's great boxer. Fifty cent then shot in the face, right? Let has a hitch put out on him by John face, and he data. Chelsea handler. He certainly here's what he's not taking. He's not taking the Gucci shopping spree that that may whether just doesn't care about play. Whether you know because there was the whole black. Sweater. So so what? Was the shoes were designed by Katy Perry. Katy Perry to look like black face shoes. Hair? Get doing this case, by the way. She's a nice we see the Burberry one to her house. Oh shit that. Well. Bringing up is because. Anything about how? So when she turned thirty years old. That's right. You're over thirty Katie I'm telling everybody. So when she got a from every living president, she got a like a letter saying like, oh happy thirtieth rate and every president that was living still from Jimmy Carter to obviously Obama at the time. It was all their wives came in yeti out first lady man, yet first lady until it got the Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was like, hey, Katie just sitting here thing thirtieth birthday. No mention of Hillary. It was beautiful every drop their wives love except for Bill. And like you suddenly hear like a saxophone in the disk. Planet. Those are the shoes. Those the kiddy Perry. Black face shoes. Here we go. Come on, man. I will. Oh with the lips go. Hi. Sambo face or some kind of that. But so the Gucci sweater was black sweater with you pull it up. And it's almost like the old scheme. Ask thing that in the sample. Yeah. Yeah. That is ridiculous. How that didn't get that just tells you how few people working on staff at Gooch. Hey, dummy Siebel make it green. And no one gets upset you stupid idiot. Why the red limb binder stand, but it's also really funny. I think they knew exactly what's gonna happen. Come on, man. I want to days ago. A black guy. Iraq face is putting tin foil in the my way. Don't you sending penalties? JD? Did you say you go back in time you go black? And that was two days ago. Burberry sent a Polack runway model out with a noose around. There wasn't black. I just came up with a show that like are. We not pitching this. Let's mail this. I did to a self to modern day black due to go back to rewrite history. And completely be right. All the wrongs that happened to note, we call black really, I call go back to Africa. So black Dafur. Go black. You never go back. Once you go back. You never go black Africa. I don't know what it is. But all right last one. So no. But like fifty cent was like literally having beef with Mayweather who wins that fight. Oh, the void. And fifty oak Floyd. The train bucks. But. Pendants battle fifty one's fifty so good at being as the bust is he's still crushing jar rule. Rose that concert Jarrell just literally crushed himself firefighters, but like t t is like again, going Spike Lee, they're all going off on may weather like are they okay? Out of touch. You have you don't need Gucci. Here's why you'll be saying this about with everybody knows may whether but the reason that he doesn't know about the stuff because he can't read so he's not reading she doesn't know. What's happening? You could see pictures and ship. Oh, that's why he just doesn't care. He doesn't care shit. Are you never cared about anything in his life? Why would he care about this except wins seven wins and stuff? Just. Just wanna see that guy. Got beat. Boxes against a fourteen year old Asian voi- on New Year's Eve or whatever the fuck. You did not no. When Manny pag I was fighting him. I was like kind of route because I don't like anybody that hits women. I was like I really rooting for many pack. Then I'm like, what am I routing for watching like watching wild country. There's a moment I'm like what? And then like the old people from the town of like they pay for on. They were on the bridge. And they were hugging. What's bad? They were loving each other. Wait a minute. Why am I on your side that kind of love this go into their like he was screaming punching while they said, okay, find you're right? You're right. So then I was like Manny. Manny Pacquiao, but he hates. Nobody's discounting is a is a horrible abusive person to to women, but he's also a boxer and a trained killer. You know? So like he needs. He needs counseling at all times. People should really you'll run help. Keep like how big is fifty cent. I don't know how big is bigger than him. Advantage points still trained, boxers. He's beating guys bigger than him here. Let's people like five pounds and whether even knock out fifty cents or would he just hug him in win on points and twelve rounds? Yeah. He doesn't have that. You're saying they'd fight in a boxing match in a regular just scrap. You know, if on the street. Yes, if it's on the ground than it's then he's not about sir on the ground. I though. Yeah. That's. Unfairly we need to get him a fair fight like a roast battle. Words. With that be Email as a main event, but it was like member when the hype those hype sort of like ATM Addison Square Garden Conor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather watching Floyd, Mayweather, try and match mcgregor's like hyphen ability. It was just sad. I was like stop. This thing is way too long way. Whether it's talking for two minutes, and I'm like this thing is way too long. I like wanted to throw in a word town. All right now. I don't know if you got some movie tin Cup, but I saw recently, and I'm like love that movie shit. Does not hold up. I haven't seen fifteen watch it again, you're going to be like it. Don't hold up. Hold up. Anyway. I don't wanna ruin it. Go right. Kevin Costner golf. You. Don't need to see it. Then. No so about so. This. No, he's not about the it's Cheech Marin places. Kevin costner. Has the end of the famous scene in the at the masters or the US open to USO to twenty from the I don't even know. This is just tells you how much didn't give shit. I'm watching turned and twenty yards out. And there's water right before the whole. So tees up the first shot or. Got three what you can't hit that far. It's like going online with you gotta go for it. Well, that costs shit. Gotta just go for it. And so he swings hits a right into the water water. Rollover throw me strong me another one. Gay lead by three strokes just drop up there and win the term. Gotta get this. Takes an extra puts a right in the water next shot right in the water next. It's like the epic meltdown eight and then he finally puts it on the last ball in his bag. Not only does he put it on hits it over the water and into the whole I didn't kill he holds. He didn't hold out. No. I remember Saudi put it in at that. I'm pretty sure he holes out for like a seventeen and loses. Okay. So head profiles the water. Six times makes seventeen at web dot com tour event this really. Then to Armin headed debuted or a member on the web dot com to web dot com to me feels like you're just saying the same thing internet dot biz internet. Information highway dot dot org. Dash the internet. Of one holy for never get a score of seventeen on the par-four. Second hook second par for or four second hole on Thursday at whatever. As like, I've never made a seventeen mile not even when I started playing golf. He said the head pro at P C Treviso bay Naples, drove down to the water drove into the water on the four ninety one second yard second hole. And that's where it's began twice tried to clear the water from the rough any failed went back to the tea and hid in the water. Four times then found the water twice more from the rough before he finally reached the fairway eventually at it all the way up to seventeen with ninety one. That's like will we as anyone? Driving? Jim. Orange enough. Although Pat markets that used to take him behind out with you guys because he kills on the road. That is too much. That's too soon. I said I've learned Bruce Jenner dot nerves. Brandy. No, texting those are things that we did. We used to make. Texting? They. They're both. You're right. Yeah. We just took all of our jokes. We just drove into the wall. Still like. The whole anyway, I just to me it's like a seventeen in that. It is kind of fun to hear, you know, the idea of like, you know, that it is kind of fun to hear the idea that like even throws fuck it up. What I mean? And and hey, that's normal. Like, we are they are non people. All right, guys. Love having on the show goes anything tastic. Thank you for being here. Subscribed to roast battle podcast, you won't regret. It. It's a fantastic podcast guys. Check the rose battle out whenever you're on to start with our episode. We're right in the archives. People losing this is that checkout roast battle go to the cities that they said that they're gonna be in go check them out live. It's going to be great. I truly love you. And I'm so happy here. When we come back. We got a voicemail from Kris Kristofferson the original stars. Well, he's talking about how the Phoenix. I mean, I think he's living in Phoenix. Our on the streets of Phoenix. He's talking about. Has the sensor tank. Yeah. He his own life has been taking for the past ten years for what I don't know. We'll be back. This is of course, sweet Jane by mouth and back right after. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the show. Love those guys of this can riff quite like those guys. Pat, Parker Noces sports, and is like just a ridiculous show. Those Pete Rose jokes are on real. I was laughing really hard though race so edgy lacerations. How could he have done that in front of Pete Rose? I think Pete Rose if he heard would've charged Charleston would've come at him. I think I think Pat Barker is lucky that that thing got cancelled. Just gonna say that. Right. All right. Guess who? Guess who's really lucky? We are why. Because Kris Kristofferson voicemail, he'll leave his he's going to tell you about what it means to tank in life. Take a listen. Haibo? Your friend neighbor Christopherson chrish, crisco savage. You know, I'm just enjoy car need to taco out here. Tim peers and being out here in Arizona. Very close to the NBA franchise that Phoenix. Who? I think is a bone to clear are doing woods call tanking to try to get the number one pick of the NBA draft. Which of course, is I on Williamson who last night, I want to add fell out at his shoe during a game, which is a very Christopher's and move. Anyway. I look at what the Phoenix to this season two tank in a have to say, I have myself have been tanking for the last ten years. In the hopes to get a higher seating in heaven. When I because that's honest. I am very hosted desk at any moment. It ain't I've just been doing a lot of different things to try to, you know, take master. You know, I very rarely wear shoes arrest Arauz any more for that matter shirt. Don't don't try to sleep in my own bid at anytime. You know, try to which is also a fun game play which is gonna sleep tonight copyrighted and trademarked by Kris Kristofferson. You know, a try to pick up any wild in K because I feel God would appreciate that. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1521: Managers (Used to) Do the Darndest Things

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

1:02:37 hr | 10 months ago

Effectively Wild Episode 1521: Managers (Used to) Do the Darndest Things

"Seeing Oh man oh hello and welcome to episode fifteen twenty one of effectively wild baseball podcast from van graphs presented by our fan supporters of the ringer joined by saying Miller of espn amp and we are joined by our partner make rally graphs. Hello MIC. You are joining us for the beginning of today's episode for a little. Psa which will not be surprised to anyone who has read fan graphs today or follow us on twitter and seeing the plea that Fan Gress put out but turns out pandemic not great for business. It is not great for business. Turns out when there's no baseball and now you know. Return dates on the horizon that people decide to watch tiger king. So can you just start talking about Tiger considered? Then I'm not GonNa lie to you. There might be some tiger king content coming fan press audio in the near future to do whatever we have to do. But yeah the drop off that we've seen in traffic since the announcement that opening day would be. Postponed has been pretty dramatic and like a lot of sports media. Companies we depend on site traffic to generate revenue and so the decline in revenue and in projected revenue has been correspondingly severe. And we've taken some steps and trolley to try to SORTA staunch the bleeding. We were very sad to essentially let go of most of our contributing writers and temporarily shut her the Hardball Times. All of the fulltime staff who are remaining have taken a pay cut. But now we're asking for our readers to help us out the best way to support graphs in addition to reading the site every day. Which for the people who have responded to this with their own economic troubles we know this is a really hard time for people and a bad time to be asking for help. We're eating the site. Does make a difference right being there every day to read our work and participate in chats. And listen to podcasts. The different so specially if you turn off your adblocker especially if you turn off your adblocker so if you're grappling with the fallout from this horrible panic yourself and aren't in a position to become a member. We totally get that. We hope you and your family are safe and healthy and appreciate you coming to the site every day and letting US distract you even temporarily from the troubles but for those folks who are in a position where they can help site. We would really appreciate you guys considering a fan graphs membership. Whether it's monthly or the AD free membership it makes a really big difference it just gives us buffer and breathing room until baseball comes back because we want to be here for you when the site is coming live with opening day which we hope will be sometime this summer. When it's safe to do so in order to do that there needs to be a fan graph so rescue for your help. What help you can give. We've had an incredible response to this. So far. A number of people who are already members have asked us how they can help further which is kind question. We're going to have a good answer for that later on this week there's Merchan- The merge store we're GONNA figure out when we're GONNA have sizing back for that. So if that was one of your questions will have an update on that soon but yet just if you're able to buy membership we'd ask that you please do so and the. Nice thing about the AD. Free membership is the site really does home in a nice way. When there aren't ads on it adds or a necessary evil for our business model but if you a frequent user of the board if you are really into the leaderboards AD. Free really does improve. Loading Times and site responsiveness. So there is an improvement in your experience that comes with helping us out so we hope you guys will consider that all the folks already run smoothly on mobile because it was just recently redesigned. It just comes right along. Yeah David and I both spoke with your colleague Bryan Curtis last week for a piece heated for the ring are on the fact that cove nineteen is having on sports writing now and unfortunately might have it in the future and I said Brian. Frustration is of course relative in this time. And we don't mean to put this on par with the very real struggles that people are having right now but one of the frustrating things about this is that you know we think we have a a really great site and we have a site that was sort of ready to launch into opening day with new player pages a bunch of new functionality. Coming down the road and a writing core that we're really proud of and tools that we think are genuinely useful to folks and then there was a global pandemic. What do you do so yeah so we have to try to Bob? Even whether this the best we can and asking for people's help to do that. Yeah I would just note that Something that's been a really powerful thing for me to think about over the last ten years or so is the idea that every dollar you spend is a vote for something that the most power that you have in a way in the world is that you get to vote like many times everyday for the world that you want to be available to you and other people and unlike maybe the way that we vote on Tuesday November where. We think our vote really matter. I think it's it's undoubtedly the case that what you spend money on really does have an influence on what is available to you and other people and this is you know. Obviously this is a really hard time to ask for money partly because there's so many places that money needs to go and partly because I think everybody whether their job has currently been influenced or not as nervous about what's going to happen to them in their own job in the next year or so but you know the. I think what I hear in this request is just a request that people kind of be thoughtful about where they wanna spend their money right now and whether a dollar they spend is doing something useful in meaningful and promoting something that they want to have in their life right now. Yeah and just in my own experience. I've never worked directly for FAN GRASP. But I've been sort of fan graphs adjacent for a long time and David Apple men just always treats his in place very well and treats readers very well and makes things available for free. That elsewhere might not be available for free and if he is asking for help then you know that he needs and the site needs it because he's not someone who at least in my experience tries to extract every penny for from this business he treats people well and so it'd be nice if people would rally together and help support the site now and I will say that I very much appreciated that. In his announcement. Post about this there was the graph. Like which was very on Brent. Yeah we can. We can only ever be ourselves and as a person who's gotten to work for a couple of years. Now I can confirm your fat grafts adjacent suspicion. He's a great person to work for and he tries to treat people well whether it's people work for him or our community and I've been very hurt and seve the response from the community so far you folks really mazing you keep fantast running. And I'm a little Clemson at the response so far so we really really appreciate it and hope that we can continue the momentum until we have an opening day in all get to rally around enjoying baseball again instead of something. Kinda grim like this and I will say that. Thanks in part efforts. The site is still really good. So it's not like Magazine asking you to support the site because one day it will be good again. It stole good right now if you go in go to aggress DOT COM. There's still stuff that you will wanna reader at least their stuff that I wanna read. Not just the veterans that everyone knows that the JJ fees and the dense abort skis who've been doing this for years and David Flora etc but guys like crooked Edwards and Ben Clements who are great and I learned something from them every time I read them and I'm confident that they would still be entertaining me and teaching me things if there were no baseball for a year which hopefully will not happen but just saying it's good and it is sort of striking to me just how quickly traffic patterns and consumption has changed during this pandemic not just that fan graphs and with sports baseball specific sites but just kind of across the board like when it comes to podcast audiences. I haven't actually checked to see how our download our doing 'cause. I don't know that there's anything we could do about it anyway. If they're down but from what I've read it's kind of across the board. People are listening less in reading less and streaming more and playing video games more and. I've done those things too. But it's odd because you know that traffic is always at its highest when people are at work which is kind of paradoxical that's when people are busy and wouldn't be able to read articles about baseball or listen to podcasts. But that is when people do those things to distract themselves from the drudgery of their work and so to see this happen so quickly and we're just You know baseball would have started last week. So we're not even a week into the baseball list. Time and yet things have changed really quickly and it turns out that when people are at home and granted a lot of people are taking care of kids and trying to find work and they may not actually have more free time but a lot of people do because they're not commuting and maybe they're doing less work and you'd think that they'd be looking for ways to distract themselves and yet it's not exactly how it works. At least. The the distractions are entertainments. That they choose are not the same as they would be under normal circumstances so it is strange and sort of disturbing so everyone go please support fan graphs and thanks to everyone who has done so so far there. Couple Nice threads in our facebook group with people exhorting each other to defend graphs and even some of our patriots supporters who are already sort of indirectly contributing to fan crafts of email to ask how they can do or an up their contribution. So that part at least is very heartening. Yeah we really. We really appreciate it. I can't finally find myself in a position where I don't have you guys. Y'All have done it. You folks have done it so we really appreciate it. Thank you so much all right. Thanks Mike Talk to you later. This week. Sounds good all right so we continue. What shall we discuss? Well I've been working on a project that involves going back in reliving or or or revisiting re studying re familiarizing myself with old world series Old being relative. I've been looking at the nineteen eighties world series in the last couple of days and that has involved reading a lot of games stories of nineteen eighties World Series Games. And when we do our own postseason podcasts or writing. We've both have commented in the past. About what a huge percentage of the conversation tends to focus on like one or two managerial moves. The managerial moves really provide like half the conversation after a after a close postseason game and I forget. What do you remember your your explanation for for why that is why we're so into a single pitching move in the sixth inning of a game that involved? You know like ninety ish played appearances. Yeah I mean. I think that that's generally true that we focus on managerial moves even during the regular season to a greater extent than they actually have an impact on the game because managerial moves are just voluntary and premeditated. So you're saying I've thought about it and I've considered all the context and this is what I think the best move to make right now would be so. If there's a an obviously sub optimal move then you can really let loose and blame the manager. Because he had time to think about this. This was his whole job. It's just an unforced error whereas with a player. You're trying to do something that requires incredible coordination. Someone is trying to actively prevent you from doing the thing that you want to do and so players can make mental mistakes too. Obviously but there's maybe more pressure on them they're trying to do this complex physical action at the same time that they're trying to make a decision and so if they let a ball go into their glove or something obviously that has led to sometimes lifelong condemnation to. But if you just make a mistake as a player I think people will let it slide or at least not blame you as a person necessarily because you know you were trying your best rate and everyone screws up sometimes whereas with a manager. I think we all can put ourselves in the place of the guy whose whole job is to sit there on the bench and make a decision and everyone is managing along at home. And saying. Here's the reliever I would put in right now. I would pinch hit for this guy right now and so if the guy whose whole job is doesn't do that thing and you're sitting there shouting at the TV to do that thing. Then of course you're going to be quick to condemn that person. Maybe not taking into account as much as you should that a the decisions. Don't matter all that much usually you can make the right decision. It can backfire. You can make the wrong decision and it can work out so the average managerial move even an important one really doesn't swing your win expectancy by all that much plus it's harder to manage in real time when the game is going on in your considering all sorts of factors that the fan at home is not and then there's also maybe some inside Info you might not have access to about so and so not feeling well or not having command of his curveball or having a nagging injury or whatever so we probably give managers a harder time than we should. But you know. That's why we focus on like lineup decisions. And why would you bet that guy? V that guy third and ultimately it has almost no impact. But it's just easy to criticize. Yeah that's all that all sounds exactly right and and you're right. You jogged my memory. One of the reasons that we talked about why we make such a big deal about it. As as though were surprised that we're making such a big deal about it is that we generally don't do that for a game in. May It really wants. The postseason starts that we we shift and instead of thinking. Oh well a manager's job is mostly to rally is team and get them through the grind and manage a complex clubhouse and all these things and so the relatively small decisions about who to pinch hit in the seventh inning of a game in May might take a back seat to what he needs to do to motivate his players and keep them together and manage resources and all that well when you get to game six of a series maybe the importance of these things has flipped and you assume that the players are all motivated but you really do need to make the most of every of every opportunity I think also generally speaking postseason games tend to be a little lower scoring lower scoring tends to be closer closer tends to be more likely to be affected by a single move that you make anyway. The point is that we make huge deal over strategic decisions in the postseason for various reasons. And so while I've been looking through these old world series. It has been interesting for me to see that well. Surprisingly the conversations about those games the next day was also frequently about managerial moves and a little bit well I guess also unsurprisingly the situations that managers were being second guessed over. We're very different than they would be now. The game was different. And maybe while I'm unsurprised not surprised that they are different. I have been in some cases surprised. By what specifically they were and I just thought it would be fun to talk about what managers were getting second guessed for in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and what what sorts of challenging decisions they had because a lot of cases they didn't have to make challenging some of the challenging decisions pitchers are the managers today have to because there is not an expectation that they are going to do XYZ whereas today we have an expectation that they will do or at least consider X Y and Z on the other hand. Back then alternate X Y and Z. Were on the table and they were expected to consider those things whereas manager today. Rarely has to consider those things and so I'm going to go over. What managers in the world series from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty seven? Were dealing with. Okay all right. That's prehistory it is. Yeah although I'm a I'm on I'm on nineteen eighty eight right now. So I'm in the common era so we're going to start with one thousand nine hundred eighty. This was a world series between the phillies and the royals and one of my favorite there were two big things going on in the series That I want to point out. Well I guess neither one is all that big? I guess that's sort of the point of what we were just talking about. These things don't they aren't they. Don't seem that big except in the moment. They seem very big so in game three in the tenth inning. Dan Cuisine Berry gives up a single to baboon to lead off the inning. And then there's a sacrifice you knew that sacrifice was coming. It's nineteen eighty so they sacrifice him over to second and then Dan Cuisine Berry who it was. I I you know you need to understand that I mean you know. Dan Cuisine Berry was very good for some period of time. You need to understand that. This is part of the period of time. When he was very good he finished eighth. An MVP voting that year fifth and CY young voting. He was a already a superstar closer and he intentionally walks. Pete Rose K. to face Mike Schmidt. He intentionally walked. Pete rose to face Mike Schmidt who that year would win the MVP award. Twitter would not like that move today. No so there's two things going on here one is that they intentionally walked a guy to face the m. v. p. the NBA The league. Mike Schmidt Forty eight homers that year he led the League in homers and RBI'S. He was a four time homerun champ and arguably the best player in baseball at the time and arguably the best hitter in baseball at the time intentionally walked him. The other thing that's going on there though. That is interesting that I didn't realize it was this. Common was closers used to intentionally walk a ton of guys and so in just in this game you had risen very intentionally walking. Pete Rose and you also the next inning had tug. Mcgraw Intentionally Walking George Brett which makes it a little bit more sense because tug McGraw George Brett was also the MVP but intentionally walking George Brett and then the inning before you had Dan Cuisine Berry intentionally walking. Gary Mathematics and I tend to not think of closers as being expected to intentionally walk many batters so I did a query to see how common was to have closers who saved at least twenty games and then intentionally walked ten and I don't I think that the last one was like two thousand one or something like that whereas it used to be extremely common. Almost every closer would have double digit intentionally walks and I'm not sure if it was just. A function of managers generally intentionally walking a lot more and so all intentional walks stats are going to be affected by that. Or if it's that closers kind of path they may be paradoxically they were overvalued in some way but also there was. There was an appreciation that they were not shut down. They were not as you know that they were not actually as good as the best starters and so they had them intentionally walk a lot of batters in order to prevent them from getting hit hard so there were twenty twenty saves and ten intentionally walks. There were five of those in nineteen eighty three five in nineteen eighty two five in one thousand nine hundred eighty four nine hundred eighty six so four or five pitchers a year would have and. That's with fewer twenty save pitchers time whereas in the last decade. There was only one of those Brandon Lyon for the diamondbacks had one and in the decade. Before that two thousand there was also only one. Bobby Jenks so the idea of having your closer intentionally walked. Batters has become much less common than it used to be and so anyway they intentionally walked. Pete rose to face Mike Schmidt and they kinda got Lucky Mike Schmidt lined out into a double play and they ended up winning that game. All right so I don't know what the equivalent would be. I guess the equivalent would be. I mean you know. It's not like Pete. Rose is is nothing either Pete. Rose a single probably wins the game. And so maybe you're thinking well he's a higher batting average guy. Although I'm looking. Pete rose hit two eighty two that year and Mike Schmidt hit two eighty six. Of course you get the platoon advantage. Because Pete Rose was a switch hitter I was thinking maybe the equivalent would be if you intentionally walked out to face Bregman. Although then you don't have the tune advantage thing going on. Maybe maybe if you had a righty and you intentionally walked. Otani to face Mike Trout. Anyway it would be crazy. Yeah Yeah and that's another thing I've written about specifically talking about managers. Getting criticize in the postseason is that it's gotten a little harder to do that with the same level of confidence that we used to do it with because now teams know things that we don't know and were kind of conscious of that and so back then in the eighties manager intentionally. Walked someone to bring someone else up. You can be pretty confident or at least now. We could be pretty confident that they didn't have any really special advanced info that would lead them to think that one matchup was more advantageous than another. You know if anything they were probably looking at some tiny small sample better versus pitcher stats or at that point. They may not even have had that on command. They may have just been going off intuition. Gut feel or or memory but nowadays there's all sorts of analysis where teams will look at. How does this hitter perform against? Not just this particular pitcher but against a cohort of pitchers like this picture. You know pitchers who throw that hard or have a similar release single or have the same mix of breaking pitches. Let's say comparable similar pitchers determined using advanced data? And that can actually be pretty predictive. So there aren't that many times when it would show you something really incredibly revealing where you'd say this great hitter actually is no good against this guy but there are certain times when a team might know something. Managers have access to that stuff on their ipads or on a little cheat sheet or whatever that gives them projections for each matchup each hitter versus each pitcher and so it's a little hard to with the degree of confidence. And maybe we always were too confident about the sort of thing but now it's kind of tough to say with absolute certainty. That was the right move or the wrong move. So it's taken a little of the fun out of it. Although the type of people who may be are most vocal about criticizing managers or maybe not the most concerned about whether they're actually right to criticize them or not. It's just kind of taking out your frustration and you know asserting your own superiority. So that sort of thing. I guess is still viable today. The other thing that happened in that series by the way was also involved Schmidt. And not for some reason recognizing that by the way I think a good comp would be if if a lefty reliever intentionally walked Justin Turner to face cody bellinger last year. I think the variables holed up in that analogy all right so in a later game tie game and or maybe they were up by one. The royals were pitching up by one. I think and Mike Schmidt came up again and he got an infield hit off the glove of George Brett and the reason that everybody including George Brett acknowledges that Schmidt got hit is Brett was playing on up on the grass expecting Schmidt to bunt Mike Smith at forty eight homerun MVP. They were expecting him to but now in their Defense Mike Schmidt had bunted for a hit earlier in that series and liked to bunt apparently at that period in his life. He liked to bump for hits. So you sometimes and to and so George. Brett didn't always play up on him but in that moment he became convinced that this was a moment that Schmidt might bunt and so he played way up Schmidt later said he had no intention whatsoever. Hit One to George Brett's left. Brett got a glove on it with a dive but couldn't handle it and that led to a big ninth-inning rally as a lead turned into a deficit and game turned all right the next one nineteen eighty one. The big one here. We might have talked about this one. This one felt sort of familiar to me but we might not have. It might have been just a different start. That was similar and involved the same pitcher so game. Three Fernando Valenzuela Rookie Fernando Valenzuela twenty year old rookie Fernando Valenzuela is pitching. And he's you know it's not as best start but he gives up a couple runs early and then he gives up. He actually gives up four runs in the first three innings. But they leave him in there and he settles down and gets an a pretty good little groove but he's he's wild as as maybe he sometimes was and ends up throwing one hundred and forty seven pitches in a complete game as a twenty year old rookie. That's not even what I'm talking about here. Though what's amazing to me is that he was allowed to finish this game. Pitch Count aside the situations where he was allowed as a rookie with a high pitch. Count to stay in this game. So he's leading five four so this is not like his. He's not throwing a shutout. He's not dominating he's just a pitcher having an you know a good pitcher having a a slightly off day so up by one by the way. This is game three. So they're down two games to none. They lose this game. They're done. This is a must win. One hundred percent must-win game up by one eighth inning. Fernando Valenzuela gives up a leadoff single goodness. You Might WanNa pull them there. The tying run is on BASS K. Top of the order in fact is looming. I think we're at the we're at as that was the number seven hitter. So you've got the number eight hitter coming up and then you've got a pinch hitter. And then you've got the top of the Yankees order coming up right so they leave him out. There gives up another single okay. So now there's two on and nobody out in the eighth inning of a one run must win game and they leave him out and Bobby Mercer. Pinch Hits Bobby. Mercer Buds into a double play and Balanced Waleed gets out of it all right. Every team was actively trying to lose at all times. So then the bottom of the eighth leadoff hit Fernando. Valenzuela comes up. He's only by one run at this point. And he's thrown one hundred and forty pitches and he's walked seven batters and they let him hit for himself and he grounds into a fielder's choice has to run the bases. They let him run the vases. He doesn't get anywhere they don't score sent him out on the bottom of the ninth where it's the two three four hitter in the Yankees lineup. All right handed and they send out the lefty Fernando Valenzuela to face those guys and he he does it. He finished the complete game. He wins the game. I mean it's it is incredible so this is not. He never faced the go ahead. Run in the ninth. But he faced close to the go ahead. Run in the ninth and This just so happens to be a query that apostle areas that had been doing it baseball perspectives and so He shared with me the spreadsheet. And so if you look at starts where a PITCHER FACES. The winning run in the ninth inning. Those still occasionally happened. There were six of them last year including our old friend. Noah. Syndergaard Noah syndergaard's true win also Madison Bumgarner. That's why I started to say Noah Syndergaard Ner I was looking at a spreadsheet where those names right next to each other so there were six last year in the year that Fernando Valenzuela had this out well that was a strike shortened year in. So it's going to be low but all the same in the strike shortened year there were one hundred and fourteen the year before that there were two hundred and thirty one starts when the starting pitcher faced the go ahead. Run in the ninth inning which it's almost impossible to to think of a situation where the starting pitcher would face the go ahead. Run in the ninth inning. At this point you basically have to have an ace level pitcher and in fact The six pitchers did it this year. Darvish Ver- lander Bumgarner Bueller syndergaard. And then Marco Gonzalez and probably you need to have a tie game because if you have a lead and the pitcher allows a runner on then you you imagine the managers are GonNa come out and get him but a tie game. Maybe if he has a low pitch count then you'll leave him out there and he's probably only going to get one batter maybe where he gets a chance to face that better so like you. Darvish was one of these six and I was looking at the start that you darvish had this year where he did it and it really was like. I couldn't believe that Darvish had been allowed to do it. He came out in his last. Start of the year. For the ninth inning. It was a two one lead that he had he gave up a leadoff. Triple and I was sort of shocked looking at this box. Where that he was allowed to stay in then he gives a sacked fly a single stolen base a double and now the lead is gone. You think wow. That's like a box score of nineteen eighty five and in fact it is that was common in one thousand nine hundred you just left Fernando Valenzuela out there and again. This goes back to what I was saying about the other thing you. It's weird because the closers. The the ace closer was such a part of strategy at that point like the ace. Closer was fairly new. They were high paid. Every team wanted one. They were used very aggressively the same time. Though the ace closer was sort of seen as not as good as the starter. And so Tommy LASORDA. After this game says Fernando Valenzuela is my best closer and so he just left him out there he had a closer but rather go with Valenzuela. One hundred and fifty. Yeah I mean I guess in fairness to the dodgers Valenzuela in eighty one was rookie of the year. Cy Young winner absolute phenomenon drawing huge crowds wherever he went especially at home. So if you were gonNA leave someone in that would be the Guy. I guess despite his age. So there's that and not where he threw eight shutouts that year yes Reich shorten year eight complete game shutouts in a structure on your which is not that they were looking at through the order splits at that point but he was better his third time through the order that year that he was his first time to the order he allowed a three eighty seven up yes his fourth time through the order and later that year so when they did decide to let him go long he really rewarded them for that decision so you can see why that happened. Even though it shouldn't have happened I mean just for safety's sake but also probably for trying to win the game sake. Yup and it worked. They won that game And they were shirts in fairness to to those dodgers. We were having the same complaint about teams and managers up until what three years or so something like that. I mean within the lifetime of the show. We were regularly criticizing managers for leaving starters in too long in the playoffs and not observing the time through the order effect and not flipping the switch when it went from the regular season to the postseason continuing to manage with the same level of urgency or lack of urgency. And so it's really only recently that some of these mistakes at least have actually been corrected. Yeah with the Valenzuela's start what really strikes me is just that how many base runners he was allowing the whole time. You would not have. I don't think you would have watched it. And thought he is the best pitcher in the world and work gonNA stick with him because no one's touching him he. He allowed sixteen baserunners in that game. He walked seven. That's a lot of walks. All right nine thousand eighty two brewers and cardinals and the this. I'm I'm sort of speculating. Here all right. So rollie fingers was the ace closer that year for the for the brewers and in the eighth inning with the score tied cardinals loaded the bases with one out and did not bring in Raleigh fingers now so harvey keen after the Game Said. Yes rollie was well enough to pitch and no. I didn't consider using him. I've used rollie fingers when we're ahead not entice situations so rollie fingers. I'm freezing on this for one reason. I don't think rollie fingers was actually well enough. To Pitch. Raleigh had been injured. He had not been pitching in the postseason. He would not go onto pitch at all in the postseason even later save situations and he would not pitch at all the next year he would have surgery and so. I think that Harvey was lying about why he didn't use Rollie Fingers I. I don't think he wanted to give away. That fingers was unavailable and so he kept it a secret and he made up this story about only using him in with the lead in save situations and rap not using him in a tie and I. I have not looked deeply into this but I'm here going to speculate wildly that this is the origin of not using your closer tie. Game is the Harvey Keane made. That made it up right then and there as a fake logic and other managers latched onto it and we can't use our closer and a tie game and they never did again and it was all because of a lie that Harvey King was selling anyway. He did not use rollie fingers that day or any other day. The other interesting thing that happened in this game in this series was game six. The cardinals won a blowout. They won something like thirteen to one and they're starting. Pitcher was a rookie at that point named John Stupor and John Stupor. Threw a complete game in that thirteen to one game which is not that notable except for one thing. The game was twice delayed by rain for a total of nearly three hours and so Jon Stupor rookie through a five and a half hour complete game of a just kept putting a Mac out there. How many pitches you think. He'd through in the bullpen. Oh man did you see if like there was criticism of this now now it was like it was not not not at all wasn't even mentioned. It makes me wonder like what we are criticising. Failing to criticize now that thirty years in the future will look back and think boy where we dumb not to notice that at the time I would guess that whatever mistakes are being made now are not nearly as a courageous or as actively unsafe as the ones they were making that. I'd like to think that we've gotten a little bit smarter but still do kind of wonder whether we not looking at right. Now that future podcasts hosts or a sudden episode ten thousand or whatever will look back in Ruth those mistakes he I was wondering that too and I I don't know You know it will be interesting to know how the future regards us in. I'm perfectly happy if this is what they end up second guessing thirty years. Now that I'm perfectly happy to be second guessed but I feel like what it will probably be and I don't have specifics in mind but that there are strategies that are not currently in use because there is deference to player ego and player wishes and players claims of needing to be comfortable and needing to be like sort of there. Are Things where players would say. That strategy would unnerve them or not take into account their lived experiences as players and so we accept that those strategies are not going to be used as aggressively. And I'm happy. I think that's good. I like I think that the state that we're in right now the balance between listening to players when they tell us what they need to be comfortable and safe and what. The technically optimal strategy is is pretty good right now and I would not surprise me. If in thirty years our descendants are criticizing and laughing at us for not being more ruthless in our strategy. If that makes sense that there will be a lot more. Maybe that there will be more embarrassing of players. In the future that it will not be that a player's pride will not be considered part of the of the decision making process. That's kind of what I think. That's what I think. I didn't thirty years that they're going to all be monsters and they're going to laugh at the notion that pride has any role to consider in the calculus. That's yeah that's me that's me. I'm sure a lot of old school baseball people would think we're we've already reached that point. But yeah maybe there's more to go. Speaking of players pride. So nineteen eighty-three is the phillies and the Orioles and in game three the Phillies benched. They're number two hitter their first baseman and number two hitter. You know he must be good because he bats the top the lineup and he's a first baseman and he's Pete rose he's the hit. King Pete Rose and so they bench him because he'd been slumping and Pete Rose. Got Very Mad. This was a big controversy for twenty four hours because Pete Rose did not take it silently. He said I'm hurt and embarrassed. Rose said looking both hurt and embarrassed. There are sixty five thousand people in the stadium tonight and the two most surprised and astounded people. Are Pete Rose and Tony Perez? Who took his spot in line of and I don't think that's the way baseball should even be played. He was hurt even more later. When Owens sentiment to pinch hit in the ninth inning? He grounded out now. The next day he played this happens every once in a while. There was the a rod situation where the Yankees benched tyrod for. Labontes years ago. And it's shocking. You know like when your target shocked in the postseason Pete rose. Yeah that one. And maybe you're about to say this I have to say okay. Well I was GONNA say that one was shocking. Not just because of the ego that was offended but also because it just seemed like an overreaction a small simple sort of mistake at the time okay so I'm GonNa say the opposite here Okay I was shocking because of the ego as for the small sample Pete Rose that year. Pete rose that year hit two forty five three sixteen to eighty six. Yeah he's slugged to eighty six as a first baseman his opie plus was only slightly slightly higher than sixty eight. You're not going to say it. So he he got benched but I mean wow it really is kind of wild to just look at the end of Pete Rose's career and how much he was playing on good teams even in the middle of the lineup at a power position while putting up basically sub replacement office not coincidentally. He was managing teams. Yeah they're not the phillies that year. Ya later eighty four. Yeah Pete Rose who got benched for game three but only game three. They did bring him back because he was too valuable. Had Negative two point one war actor all right so that's nine hundred eighty-three Pete rose. There is also a great moment in that series where the orioles managed to pinch hit four batters in a row. Which is I? Think mathematically impossible in the modern game although maybe not. Maybe it won't be this year so that was probably pretty fun and it worked. They scored a bunch of runs that inning pinch hitters did their job and all right so yeah four pinch hitters in a row. Let's go to nineteen eighty-four this one. I guess is kind of repeating about closers intentionally walking batters but this is really an amazing moment in a postseason game where the Tigers were playing the padres. They were up by one in the eighth inning. Trying to clinch stadium as raucous going crazy through a sequence that tigers end up with runners on second and third with one. Out AND GOOSE. Gossage is on the mound. Kirk Gibson is coming to the plate and Kirk Gibson was an. Mvp candidate at the time left handed batter against the right hand. Gossage the on decade or was Lance Parrish. Right handed batter not nearly as good as Gibson and so the padres manager signals for an intentional walk. Which in this case again we have a closer intentionally whining but I think this makes a lot more sense and goose. Gossage gets the gets the news any says. Nah I don't want and so he actually calls manager Dick Williams out from the dugout. Dick Williams comes out to the mound. They talk they debate. They argue and reason and Dick Williams says okay go ahead and pitch to him so the pitcher actually talked to manager out of the intentional walk and on the Second Pitch Gibson homered and gossage never quite lived it down and so I don't really even know what the strategy I guess the strategy there is That we're talking about or the manager decision. There is kind of the Matt Harvey in the Two Thousand. Fifteen world series thing right where the manager had a plan and the player who is born and bred to be extremely confident extremely aggressive to believe that he can get anybody out at any time to never backed down from a challenge to never decline. A challenge was allowed to talk the manager out of that strategy and and just like with Matt Harvey and the Two Thousand Fifteen world series It totally backfired in gossage the home run and said I feel responsible for the game. Yeah if you're a manager would you ever even ask how you feeling or what are you WanNa do? Well I mean look. There's two questions there one is if you were the manager. Would you ever incorporate that data into your decision making another would you? Would you ever ask and make the person feel heard and I would? I think that I would definitely would let the player feel heard in whatever way you need to do that in a situation like that. Yeah I man I mean. What'S THE QUESTION. The question is there's again there's different questions here. One question is what do you think? What do you want to do? What do you think we should do? And in that sense. Maybe you could say you're the manager. You're the one who's supposed to decide what you're what you should do. What what this what the strategy should be but you also do. WanNa know in some cases how the player feels and so the question is. Can you get an honest answer from the player? Will the player tell you? Honestly whether he's he's able to go out there and that's tough. Yeah it'd be very valuable information if you actually do how the player was feeling but you just can't ever be sure maybe if you know the guy really well and you've been managing him for a while and you can actually tell when he's being honest or maybe he would be open and honest about it. Seems like that would be a minority of pitchers who would actually own up to being tired at that point. And then you get weird situations like the richhill Dave Roberts episode where richhill seemed to suggest that he was feeling a little fatigued and that Roberts could pull him if he got any trouble but then there was miscommunication about whether he actually wanted to be pulled and that just worked out poorly for the dodgers. But if you could use some of the data that's available now like with Hawkeye where you can actually see the arm angle of the pitcher or maybe analyzes mechanics in real time and his stuff and see if it's dropping off at all and I don't know whether someone in the dugout would have access to that information because at least for now you're not supposed to communicate with the analysts who would be looking at that but if you could look at that that would be very valuable information to have. It's just a question of whether you're actually going to get a straight answer from the player and most of the time you're probably not. This is unrelated. I'm not GonNa talk about this much. But in one thousand nine hundred six game six of the nine hundred eighty six world series Roger. Clemens was pitching that game and he pitched through seven innings and then they pinch hit for them in the top of the eighth and I was reading an article from much later where Roger. Clemens claims that he didn't want to get pinched for and was wanted to stay in and the manager of the Red Sox that year who believe with John McNamara said that clemens quote begged out of the game and so. That's an odd situation to where you have. I mean way if you're just going to ask so that you can throw him under the bus. Yes that's probably not the best way to do it. But on the other hand if clemens is throwing you under the bus all right nine hundred eighty five. Let's see what do I have for nine hundred eighty five? This was the royals and the cardinals. Oh my goodness this one's nuts. The royals were leading to nothing. Going to the ninth inning and Charlie. Lebron was starter and again Dan Cuisine. Berry was the closer and at this point Dan Cuisine Berry head. I think finished top. Five and CY young voting for years in a row top three INCI young voting for years in a row third second second third and they did not use in cuisine berry in the ninth inning up by two to start the inning and then as run after run scored they still didn't use gwyn buried. They left Charlie brand out there to allow four runs in the ninth inning. And lose the game. Willie Wilson the Royal Center. Fielder was not kind to the decision. After the fact he said on the record anybody who knows anything about baseball knows what we should have done. So there's that and then a few innings later a few games later I should say they were in a fairly similar situation this time. It was the eighth inning and Charlie. Lebron was again pitching very well and again the had. Well I guess this was a tough game. Zero zero and Lebron comes up in the eighth inning with two on and two out. They let him hit for himself and he strikes out inning over ballgame stays tied zero zero and then the very next half inning with Lebron the game the cardinals in like sort of almost too obvious storytelling moment get the exact same situation. Two on two out in a zero zero tie and the pitcher. Coming up in this time they. The cardinals do pinch hit for the starting pitcher who also had a shutout going and also throwing seven innings complete. They pinch hit for him. The pinch hitter gets a single off. Charlie Lebron and the cardinals ended up going ahead so that is a play. They just really liked Charlie Lebron in the game because so all right and then last one nine ninety six. I don't I don't want to talk about nineteen. Eighty six particularly nine hundred. Eighty seven was the series of pitchers pitching on short rest and it became a deal because Murray Chaz noted that the pitchers who pitching on three days rest had all been quite bad and the pitchers who had been pitching on four days. Rest had all been quite good so marinas wrote an analysis of this and as he put it in the six games of the series. Six starters worked on three days rest and six pitched with four days of rest or more. The well rested. Starters have registered three victories and one defeat have compiled a two point six zero. Yara and have allowed an average of nine baserunners per nine innings. The Not so well rested. Starters have one victory four losses and an eight point five six era. They have permitted an average of seventeen baserunners per nine innings. So this was the eighty seven world series and in reading about the previous six world series. There were various pitchers going on short rest throughout those series and I did not see any controversy over it. In any of those it would be noted that a pitcher had you know. Throw a complete game on short rest or that. He was coming back after three days respite. It wasn't controversial. It wasn't seen as even something that that there was much doubt over. If it was your in you needed him back there for the win. You just did it. So I don't know if this series inaugurated the tradition of second guessing that decision. Which is I think. Generally proven not to be a great decision to do but it turned out to be a really important factor in because as the series went to game seven. The twins went to Frank Viola. Their ace one of the races and he was starting short rest. The cardinals manager. Whitey Herzog could have gone to Danny Cox on short rest but instead he chose to go with Joe mcgrane who had started a week earlier and had not pitched since and so he was fully rested. So you really have this situation where both Where the managers made polar opposite decisions based on the situation and the I don't know maybe the data and so- Viola ends up pitching extremely well despite being on short rest and so the twins are justified in. There's the cardinals pitcher Joe mcgrane also pitched pretty well but remember. They wouldn't remember how he didn't go to Danny Cox his his his best pitcher. Because Danny Cox was on short rest. Well he pulls Joma Grain in the fifth inning and brings in Danny Cox and so- Danny Cox this is. What Danny Cox does this? His line that day. His the play log for him. Kirby Puckett Double Gary Guy. Eddie Walk Puckett caught stealing. Okay Danny Cox gets an out. Don Baylor single gatty out at home. So Danny Cox gets an out. So He's faced three batters. They all reach. He gets to gift outs next inning. Tom Brown and ski walk. Kent Herbeck Walk and Danny Cox leaves so he faces Fi. Batters doesn't technically get any of them out and the cardinals ended up. They had a two-to-one lead when they pulled Joe mcgrane and they leave with what will ultimately be the winning run on base. Well they weren't very good at at baseball station waste. They were really. It was only one hundred twenty years old at that point. They were still figuring it out. It's really sort of shocking. Just the pace of change and I guess improvement or optimization in managing just I mean things were still happening in the eighties or even the nineties that had happened for all of baseball history and then all of a sudden they sorta stopped happening in all. These things went away sack bunsen intentional. Walks and hit and runs to some extent in pitch outs and leaving pitchers in forever. These things were part of baseball to varying extents for most of its history and then just You know within the blink of an eye in baseball standards they all kind of just went away and it was really a product of you know different types of people running teams and not players running teams. Who were used to things working that way and then that hiring people who were not going to do things that way and it really does make you wonder like. We've talked about this before I think but the idea of. How good would your team be if you could go back right now? And be the GM of team in the twenties or the forties or the sixties or whatever. Just a regular person knowing what we know now. How good would we be at running a baseball team? And I think a lot of ways we'd still be pretty bad at it and I think in general the greatest advances when it comes to winning more games have been in player evaluation and player development more recently so finding out which players are the best going to get those players making players better. I think those where the greatest gains have come and yet when you recount of his very simple and possibly costly errors that we're really routine. I mean you're reading the world series ones but this was happening all the time it really makes. You wonder if you just went back and didn't manage that way. If you just managed the way that a team today manages with the same personnel and everything. How much better would you be? Would that be enough of an advantage to just go from average team to good teams bad teams to average team? At least it's like the baseball analyst Phil Byrne bomb once wrote you gain more by not being stupid than you do by being smart. Yeah the hardest thing I think for me if I went back and tried to manage these teams is that I have a very hard time looking at these players and figuring out which pitchers were actually good because none of them was really striking anybody out and they were all walking a bunch of guys. And so you have all these like you have these opening day. Starters who like Danny Cox for instance was the cardinals. Ace I think. At that point. He struck out four point. Six batters per nine and walked three point. Two batters for nine and I in my head don't really have a way of making those numbers into a good pitcher. I'm so used to the types of pitching that we have now that I don't even know what I would look for if I were exposed to a Danny Cox type pitching line and been told to figure out whether he was better than Joe mcgrane and it's I'm constantly looking at some pitcher. Who was the staff ace and I'm clicking over to see how good he was that year and it's like four point eight strikeouts per nine three point nine walks per nine two point one two era think. Where's the where these outs coming from? Of course it made sense at the time and they hardly ever allowed home runs and there were a lot of things going on and a lot of those walk. Rates were severely boost by intentional walks and probably by a lot of semi intentional walks. But it's just hard for me to to look at the pictures and see a like I don't have my my easy heuristic. You know yeah right. That's a good point and we wouldn't have the data at our disposal that we do now if we just went back in time we have to suffice with what they had at the time. I guess we'd be able to discount certain things and look at certain things that maybe they were ignoring. Then but you didn't have baseball reference orphan graphs and Debussy posser projections or anything. So you'd have to calculate that stuff yourself for figure it out on your own and a lot of the data that goes into the steps that we have now was just not being collected then obviously not in automated form but not even manual stringer assisted form. So you'd be sort of flying blind to an extent too. Yeah Yep Anyway I'll let you know what I find out about nine hundred eighty nine and so on all right. We got a good amount of feedback to our discussion last time about baseball. In the age of social distancing Megan I discussed whether and how baseball could be played while ensuring a minimum of six feet distance between players. And other personnel. Here's one good email. We got from Listener Brennan. Who came up with two ways to possibly fix baseball quote unquote during the covert pandemic number one. Different parallel basis for runners and fielders. So this is something Megan I were talking about. How you would handle force outs? And Brennan says obviously this would be a hot mess but potentially an entertaining one robot ups or Hawkeye would monitor the arrival of the ball and run into parallel basis would automatically signal the result of the play using a light or sound visible to everyone on the field of play. I presume we'd want to give the baserunners. The longer of the two basepaths as all ties would go to the runner. In the scenario alternatively we could switch inning which team used the outer basis of variety of problems. Come to mind but again is better than no baseball. I think so. This would be sort of like the extra runners bag in softball except instead of having that second bag attached to the main bag it would just be six feet apart. Renan's other point here is scrapped. Baseball do Derby. Ben Sam's discussion of Homerun Derby as a sport. Last season now seems oddly. Prescient how does Derby become a sport? It suits up and subs in for baseball during a pandemic so we have at traveling. 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Hour 2 - Todd McShay (02-05-20)

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Hour 2 - Todd McShay (02-05-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one option available on spotify apple. PODCASTS podcast one dot com in anywhere else you podcasts. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you're ready have so much to do around your home. GO TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you can save. It's GYCO GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com. Today that's GEICO DOT com once again. It's GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com today GEICO dot com from the Mercedes men case. This is Dan Patrick. Our two on this Wednesday. Dan and the DANETTES. Dan Patrick Show Pete rose in the headlines. Have that story for you coming up. Dodgers Red Sox obviously in the headlines with the big deal that sent mookie Betts David price to the dodgers so they get a former cy young winner and a former. MVP vets and price in hopes of improving upon their one hundred six win total from a year ago. It's not the one hundred six wins in the regular season. You need to improve upon. It's the number of wins. You had in the postseason bets at the top of that lineup. You've got cory seager. You Got Justin. Turner Cody bellinger. Max Muncie Locks Smith. Pollick you've got a pretty potent lineup. They're as for the red sox. I guess some Fiscal Sanity entity here. I just didn't think that we needed to if I'm a red sock fan trade away guy. Who's what twenty six or twenty seven and you could build around? He's GonNa cost me a lot of money. You make a lot of money. Are you taking a year off here is that they just raise ticket prices by the way a slight raise on Monday. The Red Sox did and and then they trade mookie Betts to the dodgers dodgers needed pitching in my opinion great bat with McKee Bets. Wonderful player one of my favorite players. I go out of my way if mookie Betts and the Red Sox were playing I would watch. I thought that much of him thought he was a great player. All around and Jock Peterson gets sent down the road to the angels as they make way for. mookie Betts in that outfield eight seven seven three. DP show email address DP. Dan Patrick dot com twitter handle at DP show had a a lot of fun with Jj Watt in the first hour hosted Saturday night. Live and the Had One skit that was a little racy and he called hold ahead to his mom to give Mama heads up to tell grandma that this was going to be a little sexual nature and once that skit came on about him being a pizza delivery guy to take grandma to the bathroom. There poll question for the first hour. mclovin witty forming are you for or against fiscal sanity. So do you like it when your team overpays for a superstar. Let's go before the big contract. Fifty four percents. They let him go before. The contract people are upset. Dodger fans are upset upset with you todd wearing the dodger Jersey because you root for the cheating astros cheating astros viscous. Today was a newsy day with mookie Betts. GonNa it does not about being a fan. I had a nice dodger. Jersey just passed the information on still an astro fan. Turning my back on the astor's there's nothing to do with the Astros just wearing the dodgers because of the best. Could you stick by your cheaters. I do yes and whatever it takes stick by those astros. Are you going to change the question. Make sure which direction I don't know I didn't know if you had another suggestion there but I did remember I asked. What's the most exciting offseason thing going on right now the NBA a trade deadline the MLB hot stove or the NFL draft? And you guys I love. MLB Hot Stove. I feel like it's a better issue than the actual mlb but it's over. Why no but there was a trade last night? That was okay. Is it really over. Belli's Bryce Harper signed in late February. Well that's because they said there was collusion. But do you. Is there somebody else out there that I'm missing not really unless or the dodgers are GonNa get a pitcher. I was wondering about that. We got some tweets saying pointing out. They didn't give up anyone so they can and then mortgage the young guys for pitching. Yeah Yeah I mean you got. I don't know what the Red Sox hall is. Because it's you know you're getting minor leaguers there you got a young eighteen. Their field feels like Jd. Martinez is the next guy out in Boston. He might make too much money. But you gotta gotTa Young. There's a nucleus there. It felt like I think the red sox probably looked around and we got a bloated payroll and we're not better than the Yankees and we might not be better than the the raise and that's why they seemed hell. Oh bent on getting rid of Mukhi bet because he was going to cost them. Four hundred million dollars. Yes mclovin. We were discussing pre show. Like I really don't think buying a world series has really worked. Did all the Yankees only one one with their expensive teams. They won all those with the core four right now but they also bought it back then if you think about it that they did raise raised those prospects they were able to keep them. Not many teams are able to keep that kind of quality that kind of talent that nucleus. Because they're too expensive so the Yankees did have to spend it was just. They didn't acquire anything. They just kept what they had. Normally teams will lose those kind of prospects Tampa does it all the time. Cincinnati schnatter your Pittsburgh. They can't keep those teams together. The Yankees were able to do that. Yes mclovin yeah but the cubs were homegrown. The royals were homegrown. I'm grown the nationals. are kind of homegrown. You know I feel like and the question was. Is it really pitching in October more than anything like these. Starting you were hall hall high on coal coming to Bucy's I told you I said that. The start of the year when they see the Astros got Gary Coleman gun he is but you had to go out of your way to watch him. I watched him with Pittsburgh. And I thought this guy is a beast and then we saw Tau Grady was. Now you're putting with ver- lander and I thought man that's pretty impressive. Yup Oh there's an article from Forbes magazine that says does payroll equate winning in MLB and it says it. Doesn't it equates competitiveness. You're are more likely to be at the above. Eighty five wins. If you're a top ten in payroll but it doesn't equate necessarily world series. They said ignore the payroll of your team and look at the actual all stats of the players on the roster. Before the season and to those players acquaint winning is they said it doesn't always work out that the payroll equals world series else. Yeah I look at Giancarlo Stanton and the amount of money he cost you and the Yankees will the Yankees would like to have a couple of those back right. Jacoby Kobe Ellsbury. He's still getting paid. Is he still there. I think he's still getting paid. I think he's like twenty seven million and I don't know the last time he played but see the Yankees can make a mistake like that. How many teams in baseball can make a mistake like that very few yes because because even with all those mistakes that cost them a billion dollars you know I mean they still went to the Ale? There are still game away for your own of the series series. Yeah so I'll take that day. Oh if I'm a Yankee Fan I love the fact they spend money absolutely. If I'm a Red Sox Fan I'm going wait. Are We amid market team here. What happened to Uh-huh Uh-huh what happened in the stock market? That I don't know about how about the mets. They're still paying like all these guys go drastically wrong right. Like the mets which which franchise is paying the most players for not playing that. Don't play for them. The Knicks gotTA BE STILL PAYING Alan Houston Penny Hardaway. Yeah I'm guessing I'm guessing but you know basketball team. There's less people on the roster than a baseball team but I don't know which team is still spending the most money on players. There's who don't even play for them right. I mentioned Pete Rose News Pete. Rose has asked the Commissioner Rob Manfred and this was earlier this morning to remove his name from baseball's ineligible list which would allow him to be considered for induction into the Baseball Hall of fame so the petition was sent went. To the Commissioner's Office. It was obtained by ESPN rose and his lawyers argue. The commissioners recently opted not to punish players. Guilty of major gain. Changing rules in fractions and as a result should N.. Roses thirty and a half year ban for gambling on baseball while he was manager of the reds. Red's the lawyers say that rose's lifetime ban is quote vastly disproportionate when compared to baseball's punishment and players who took performance enhancing and drugs and the players involved in the sign stealing schemes of the 2017. Astros there cannot be one set of rules for Mr Rose and another for everyone else else. Roses Twenty page petition for Reinstatement Says No objective standard or category categorization of the rules violations. Committed by Mr. Mr Rose can distinguish his violations from those that have incurred substantially less severe penalties from Major League Baseball. Rose is seeking a meeting with the commissioner imposed rule. Twenty One d any player Umpire or club League official or employee who shall bet some whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the better has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible he would have to remove that rule from the rulebook forever to reinstate. Pete rose what the Astros. There's there's no rule that says what a specific punishment is the. This is one of the shortest rules in the entire. MLB rulebook and I'd like to know if in and And I don't have locked down proof but I certainly have. What would be circumstantial evidence that Pete Bet on baseball while Iverson player? You're trying to tell me that Pete who's been known to be a gambler that he waited till he was the manager of the reds to bet on his team every single night. I don't believe that's the case. And even if he bet on his team to win every single night. He's still betting on his team while he's a manager as a player. I believe Pete Bet on baseball. I know I'm sure Major League Baseball knows this. I my guess is is that there. Like let's just we're gonNA suspend him indefinitely. He's the ineligible list because he bet as a manager in not even get into ditty bet while he was playing did he bet against his team while he's playing. How often did he bet as a player? I just don't think you go. All of a sudden he wakes up one day and he goes. You know. I'm I'M GONNA start betting on my team. That's not how gambling works. It doesn't going back to rule twenty one. It doesn't matter Pete. Rose Bet for or against his team doesn't differentiate it doesn't matter as a player and Umpire League official or manager but it does not say anything in there he's permanently ineligible for working for an MLB ballclub. That's what he's ineligible. It has it says nothing there but being ineligible for the hall of fame ballot the Hall of fame eligibility they at the hall of fame added that in later. So it's interesting. He he could be on the hall of fame ballot without would actually be reinstated to participate in baseball. Because Baseball's hall of fame has chosen to align itself with Major League Baseball here. That's by choice. Because we've we've spoken to the hall of fame before and the hall of fame. Says we could put him on the ballot if we wanted to because it's their museum and they could do what they wanna do. They just chose to align themselves with Major League Baseball in the rules and regulations. They are so pete rose's on the outside looking in. I still maintain. Pete has gotten far or more attention. Notoriety made far more money by not being in the hall of fame. Because if you said twenty twenty five years ago Pete Rose got into the hall of fame. This isn't a story. Nobody cares. We we care because we saw pete rose plan you go. That's a hall of Famer and I'm right there with you. I went to see him. First Game I ever saw in person Pete rose mid sixties got his autograph. He didn't charge me either back then. Yancey but part of Pete. Rose's problem is that the people who actually do care about this are slowly being replaced by a bunch of people who never saw him play. That probably don't care. Well I don't know I don't know that Pete rose getting into the hall of famous really a hot button topic for a certain age group for the younger younger group. That yeah maybe so but but they can't. Those writers can't do anything major this the commissioner so the writers can go we're going to put clemens in or bonds in. They can't put Pete rose in unless he's on the ballot. Then you'd find down with these younger writers. Think about Pete rose the commissioner. I think wants to uphold the integrity of that decision by Archie Ahmadi and bud. Selig didn't WanNa go against that. Fay Vincent didn't want to go against that and this commissioner doesn't WanNa go against that either when we had had him in Washington DC when he joined us at the All Star game in the commissioner and we talked. And I don't want to compromise what we said off the air but I got the same. I'm feeling that I got from bud. Selig this is never happening while. I'm the Commissioner Baseball. It's just not Yama Club but still like thirty years ago having every every league partnering with a Casino Mlb. I'm jammer gigantic partners. I mean gambling so different now. It's but you can't be a part of something that gives gives the illusion. You're fixing a game that maybe even more so now because it's so open. Yeah but but now I would rather have vegas involved in this right then. I would where it's you know kind of offshore and who knows what's going on here shady characters where you could get to somebody. Vegas is the one that protects you know the the betting part of this the integrity of this. I did notice around Super Week. A lot of players were answering questions about spreads and like I feel like we're close. Did we talk some football players like yeah. Tell me about this betting thing. I think it's GonNa be hard to keep players from betting now because it's such a big thick now I mean. Yeah but you know you can't like I know that you could say oh you know what everybody's doing it then I wanna do it but I mean Tony Romo. Three years ago is penalized for having fantasy football August. I know now. There's a team in Vegas. Look you know. These leaves are all hypocritical. And I said this before as soon as they figure out how to make money. It'll be legal. I mean the ethics go away. This is about how do we make money. And how many years ago did I say that I said that to this audience as as soon as the leagues decide how they can divvy this up and every all these owners get their money. That's when you're going to have gambling. Legalized gambling right. Yeah mclovin I think this legalized gaming. I know it's in the open but it does rest. There's more money coming into this now. Maybe players compromise compromise happened throughout history. Yeah but it feels like Vegas closer eye on this. And if you're the league's your leagues are only gifting like you have to have somebody keeping an eye on this people keeping an eye on this. Because you're sport the integrity of your sport. The validity of your sport is based off of what you're seeing Israel. Baseball got hurt because all of a sudden. You're watching you're going. Those guys are cheating. Those guys are using steroids. Those those guys are cheating with surveillance cameras. Remember the Tim Donigi situation you know with the NBA that hurt the NBA not in a long long term but it did immediately where people went. Yep See told you those officials I think people have this conspiracy theory when it comes to officiate. Oh they're on the tick. How do they miss that? We've all thought. How did you miss that call? I don't go. I don't take that leap where I go. Yeah they're on the take doc. Oh they're cheating. Oh they want them to win. But I think that if you if you don't have that integrity then you've really lost something because then you lose the confidence in your audience. That what they're seeing is it real and there's going to be billions and billions and billions of dollars bet legally in these. He's Sport Hockey Team in Vegas. We got a football team in Vegas. The curtains been pulled back all of these owners. Oh we'll never go for its. It goes back after the BCS. Oh we'll never go for a playoff. Wait how much money can we make. Let's do a playoff here. That's what happens. These guys are phoney like like the transparency. IS THEY JUST WANNA make money. They don't care about you know we can't have gambling attention this Kelly mclovin for the NFL's NFL as long as you don't have to play football the way too far matter about that. Then you know somebody. Oh you're going to be gambling on us. We don't care if you have a gambling. They're trying to keep everything above board with the injury list. Everything by a you know the Patriots saying it's still being looked to. Yeah Yeah I don't know what they're what they found. I'm trying to find this out like what did you find. That now keeps this open. And I haven't found that we're talking about take some good offseason content by the way could could use. That could be or do now. We got enough to talk about you know Brady to the forty niners those kind of things. Yeah but that in March if he resides with a patch. We'll need another cat scandal. If you're the niners would you trade Jimmy Garoppolo for Tom Brady right now. White hot yeah I would. Yeah so can you imagine if that happened if the niners go a bill you love Jimmy. G. Will send him back. Jimmy James makes more than Tom. You know it seems like an even swamp I I love the story. I don't think there's any truth to it at all. It was sort of thrown out there by skip bayless to troll. Everybody should have finalized like it's so reactionary. I I would trade Garoppolo right right now and get Tom Brady Shannon. What do you think yes the globe? I worry that they're going to be just good enough to keep Jimmy G.. Win Twelve Games every year but not quite win. Good enough to win they. We almost won a super bowl. We stopped with this that he could have if they had to first downs. They win the Super Bowl I know. Are you confident that he's going to get him back. They're confident I'm not confident. That mahomes will get back there as much as I love him and they got talent there. It's really hard to get back back there and then win again. It's been fifteen years since we've had back to back mclovin it's like you mentioned bill. O'Brien earlier to Shawn Watson. It's GONNA get eleven wins every year till eternity but you're never gonNA win a super bowl. We Bill Brian is coach. It's like the good limbo in the NFL. Oh against the grain is back that was very against the grain. I love it all right. We'll take a break here. I want to read some of the tweets. Some of the tweets that I can read from Bengal fans are upset at me yesterday because I had the audacity to todd mcshay joining us next right. Yeah we got time. Oh okay so we'll get todd mcshay. He's got his mock draft out and and I want to know the team is at the lions or the giants. That could be the gatekeeper to do. You WanNa come up and get a quarterback. Is Anybody going to go up and get to. Can anybody. Go Get Joe Borough. That's what I'm curious about with todd. So we'll we'll talk to him. And I'll read these mean tweets from Bengal fans headed in my direction. Twenty one after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Hey it's Paulie paps for the Dan Patrick Show. We've got an awesome podcast to tell you about today. It's the big podcast the shock of course. It's big tune in every week a shack and his crew covers sports entertainment and a lot more shack. That's the only way the diesel does it. The show is full of laughs and amazing story. 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That's going to be competing for super bowls. Okay that's on Cincinnati at least not now and historically all right so so I got bashed by Bengal fans. Here's a few of them. Dan mentioned quarterbacks from twenty-five years ago as a reason since he's had two quarterbacks in fifteen eighteen years where was all this. Don't go to that team talk when Cleveland took Baker if you would have said to me. Hey Hey you have. You talked to Baker Mayfield. I'd say be be wary of going to the Cleveland browns certainly with that ownership. But I didn't talk about him forcing a trade. I don't know how what leverage he had the brown surprise a lot of people. I'm the one that told you. They were taken Baker before anybody else did so I heard that he was moving up and the browns loved Abdu. But if I'm JOE BOROUGH DO I WanNa go to Cincinnati right now. Cleveland has more talent there than Cincinnati has. In my opinion they had add some pieces on defense and felt like they had some offensive weapons as well and it felt like that might have been a better situation. Didn't like the coaching situation. Not Sure The the Bengals coaching situation right now. And if you're a Bengal Fan you're not sure either. Here's another one. Are you confused. How the draft works? Why have thirty two teams then? If all the good players players went to all the good teams then. What's the point? There are certain situations where quarterbacks have forced their way out of a situation. You think he I'm alive manning's happy did it. Do you think John Elway happy did it. They got one chance if Joe Borough was coming out of high school any of three hats in front of him are one of those three hats. Cincinnati bengals and. The answer is no. I love the draft. That you get a chance to to restock but you know. Cincinnati is not going to be competing for a little while in my opinion. That's all I have nothing against Cincinnati. Love the city where I grew up. But it's not about the city. I'm just looking if the bengals stock I mean I'm down onto his hand allies in the stop there. Here's another one. I Love Hell. Dan References the dolphins is a model franchise where Joe Borough will likely win and succeed exceed. What decade is Dan? Exactly living in Miami is A. QB Spin Cycle with two playoff appearances in the last eighteen years. Last time I checked on Sheila is on the silent. Well first of all. I didn't say that remodel franchise. Because they're not but I looked at how Brian Floor has got them to play. They got a lot of. They got a lot of draft picks here. And even when I brought up Miami Joe Borough go back and look at it is is lit up like like. Yeah Yeah I could go there Bryan. Flora's appears to be a good coach there for this team and I'm not talking about different decade here where Dan Marino was there don Shula. Here's another one. Come on guys all all those guys. You mentioned mentioned playing for the Bengals next year. It burrows a franchise quarterback he'll flourish with Green Boyd Mixing Gio etc.. This is low hanging fruit to take shots at the bengals knowing they. They won't fire back in the media. I wasn't concerned about that even if they did. Are you sure that. Aj Green is going to be healthy enough to play for you mixing g were Nice. Complimentary backfield fine. What do we have at tight in? Aj Green going to be healthy here. Here's another one to me. Nobody in the national media wants the BENGALS team. Where do you come up with that if the if the bengals go to the Super Bowl in the next three years? That's a great story if Jonesboro leaves them great. I'm happy for you. This is just analysis. It's not personal. Here's another Mr Patrick. The bengals made the the playoffs five straight years from two thousand eleven to twenty fifteen with Andy Dalton if you look at the past decade none of the other teams drafting in the top five or even closed close Miami Washington and and the jets have been bad giants not much better recently. So why are you getting rid of anti-doping Howell Danny Dalton. Thirty one thirty two thirty one. So WanNA keep antidote. I mean how about you trade the pick keypad Dalton get chase face young. Something I don't know and it's nothing I grew up a bengals fan went to games where all all the fans by the way the Bengals Games. That's curious about to everybody. Loves the BENGALS. And they're all in on this team and the young talent coach and all right. You should be packing the place Jacksonville. I'm not rooting for Jacksonville to leave. I'm just telling you what I was told years ago and I I told you and it's happening now. You got two games in London. Do you think they're stopping it too. I don't bringing todd mcshay. ESPN NFL draft analyst. Come on in. Todd how are you. You're a workup this morning Well you know being from Cincinnati. People think that you know you kick us when we're down. I'm just analyzing the situation. And let's say you're Joe Boroughs Age. What would you tell your your client right now? What would you consider personally I I would tell them just to get drafted where you're drafted and go play? Okay okay but I I. I could understand if if you looked at the big picture and tried to tried to force something else. I don't think it's going to happen though. I really don't especially with Joe being from the State of Ohio I think I think I mean think about a year ago I had him as a fourth fifth round round pick and he he was transferring to Lsu and he felt fortunate to just get from Ohio States L. Shoe he was fifth on the depth Chart Ohio state and now to to have the opportunity to be the first overall pick and to be a player. That's going to wind up getting guaranteed thirty three thirty four million dollars over the next five years. I kind of doesn't matter where you go and if especially if you're going to be in the state that you grew up in I I think he should take some pride in that in and go and try to be the guy that turns around the Bengals and brings them to you know back to the playoffs and it had had success with them. But who knows what's going to happen and I'm all for that though. Todd I hope he I hope he honors that and goes number one and goes to Cincinnati. I I mean I I like that. I admire that if you WANNA go when you want to start something you would create something you want to build something on all for that. It's just I don't know what his mindset is. I don't know what you know. The people behind him or Sue Steinberg or going. Yeah of course he gonNA go there. I don't know what they're thinking thinking. I'm just I'm wondering. Is there a team that would want to go up and get Joe Borough. Is there a team with the draft capital. That would say we're going to can. Would Miami. Go go up and get in. Miami's interesting 'cause they've got three picks in the first round obviously so they have the capital to do it. But if you're if you're the bengals angles. Why do you make that deal? And I thought about this last night. Because I mean Ev. Everyone knows that they try to save money right right and they and they try to run it as a business and make money off of this organization and and apparently making money is is just as important if not more important than then then winning so if you have a quarterback that you can pay thirty three thirty four million dollars over the next five years versus you know some guys who are making thirty million close to a year you know so I I don't know why you just don't stay at home at number one and take Jonesboro borough and and see where it goes from there and hope. Hopefully we can bring you a lot of success. Why move back and then play around with it? Then wind up with three first round picks or two first round picks in the second round. Pick whatever the deal would be and and still not have your quarterback so if I'm the bengals the only thing comed- it makes sense is to draft Joe Borough and you know when teams talk about. Well they got a lot of draft picks. I WANNA know who's making the picks. There's only one Ozzie. Is He knew some here. And you can have these draft picks like the Cleveland Browns. Boy they got all these draft picks and then they didn't do well with those draft picks. That's where where I would get nervous even with Miami. It feels like they may have something there with their coq head coach Bryan floors and they played hard for him. They got rid of their big stick. You you know big ticket items there now. What are you going to do with the draft? You know so I I understand you know sort of this scenario with a lot of these teams but just because you got great draft picks doesn't mean you're GonNa have a great football team through but I think Miami's tough features because of the market but But I but fours is a really good coach and and Chris greer is a really good evaluator and so I think they have the right people in place to to try to put it together. You're picking at five. And maybe you get to Tonga by low at that spot if he medically checked out and then you've got two more picks let you know later in the first round. This is an opportunity as an organization to turn things around. And the raiders are in the same the same place rather have the bengals future or the Dolphins Future I would rather have have the dolphins future got yeah If because of the people the people making the decisions and knowing that the the the people in Miami want to win and they want to spend money and they want to do the right things. And you've got three first round picks we're talking to todd mcshay as latest mock draft two point Oh now available on ESPN plus. If two it was healthy. It'd be a great debate. It would be a great debate. Dan I mean it really would be i. I personally would take two over Joe if if there was no medical concerns if they were both clean medically I really would I mean he he is. He's drew brees from the left side. That's what he is. And who wouldn't take breeze number one the Go-to you know. He's just but what I'm concerned about is and what everyone in the League is concerned about. And I spent a week at the senior bowl talking talking to GM's and and head coaches and scouts and everyone else and medical people the concern is and nobody knows you can. Ah Anyone who tells you that they know what the answer is right now is like nobody knows how he's going to recover because he's he's young enough to recover. But this is an injury that I could take a while and it could also six seven years down the road it could be degenerative. So is he going to be the same name. Quick twitch athlete that he was at our Bama when he was playing at the highest level. And he's able to be to be healthy and available you. You know availability. We always talked about that. It's it's the most important ability but if he does get back to that you're talking about so one of the best quarterback prospect we've seen in the last five six years coming out of the draft in terms of accuracy efficiency and in in today's game just quickly processing knowing where to go with the football and being able to move around and create passing windows. I drew brees. Is the perfect topic for him. But is he going to get back to that because the hip is is just such a big big concern. I'll leave you with this question. Question the team between Detroit and New York that may move down to allow somebody to go up and get to Because it feels like it's been Miami. That was going to do and nobody is going to play their cards and show you their cards but is is somebody moving up to get somebody I don't so I think since he's GonNa sit sit. Who Centre home? I think they should and just take jober. I think it to the redskins are they're just gonNa take chase young and that's exactly what they should do you know he's the best player in this year's draft then Detroit would be the team to me if there was interest from. Let's say the dolphins at five the chargers at six the panthers at seven Even going all the way down to I don't know the colts sit thirteen The buccaneers at fourteen. I think if you're the lions you're and you're not looking to to draft a quarterback back and I don't think that they need to at this point. I think that number three spot is the most interesting because you can get ahead of the dolphins and go basically line yourself up to get to if the medical report is right. And that's the guy you believe in and the other thing is I don't. I'm not a huge Justin Herbert Fan. But I've talked to enough general managers and head coaches league that really like the Oregon quarterback because of his size and his ability ability to to be developed and his intelligence and everything that he brings to the table There are some teams that that really like him and I think I do you know how it goes. All three of these guys are going to be off the board and the top ten when it's all said and done a lot of time before then though that that's The fun part of all of this. You got a few more mock drafts don't you. Yeah Kuyper keeps adding. I think we're GONNA like nine point. Oh uh-huh draft every single day. It drives me nuts. I heard you guys should put money in a pool like like like five thousand dollars ars ORCA and most wins like five thousand dollars for charity. Most correct picks in the first time. So make it interesting where there's something attached edge to it. That's a great idea. We're going to do that here. You go we're stuart. Scott I I get I get right all right. We'll pick our own charities and that's what we're GONNA do done. That's that's the best idea. I've heard all week there. You Go. Why do is give thank you? Thank you take your. That's todd mcshay. I don't know Melkite Bruce. got that kind of money. Oh he I think he spends it all on hair. Product is wife cuts his hair so he doesn't spend any money they're all right. We'll take a break here. We'll come back to your phone calls after this here on the Dan Patrick Show hey listeners. Just wanted to take a minute to thank all our great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this podcast cast. 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Somebody's getting you know giving you a hip Checker jacker sticking a stick in your face or something like that or trip area but the two goalies. At what point do you go. Hey you WANNA fight. How do you get that message down to him? Because then all of a sudden they meet at center ice and then it's go time there. There's one of the two just starts skating a little out of the crease. And and that's like the announcement of we're going. You WanNa go. Oh you WANNA go. Would you like to go then. Excuse me would you like to go. Would you mind going knowing your and then one of the goalies tries to go for a body blow bad mistake like who goes to the gut. Like I'm guessing. goalies always have some hockey pads underneath here. And you're going for a belly shot with body shot. Oh my God. It was so bad than the other goal is like you just open the door. And I'm GONNA the pound. Your fats are the tides turned another thirty or forty bodies shots. He would've got his hands lower. I got one in something like that. Now he's lowering his hands now. I've got him right I think he thought he was getting points with the judges on. You know connecting with body blows. They're not good. I had a couple of phone calls Aaron in Dayton Jones's higher I earn. What's on your mind today? Hey you guys are talking about for. I live in Dayton Cincinnati area here. And he's no better. The bengals have been a dumpster or fire for three decades. He should not the WANNA play here in. You know somebody around town is buying billboards up and down seventy five right right after. LSU's Lynn Congratulations Joe Borough. They're trying to woo him here. And you have. Who's got the draft capital the Raiders Khalil? Mack trade. They have two first round picks a second round pick. I've loved Chucky. Take Borough and put him under his wing and you know it makes him something great instead of Keely Smith Heart. You know car to all right. Well thank you thank you. Yeah I was there for the Achilles Smith Era Error David Klingler Dalton. You Got Dalton and Andy was second round pick mclovin yeah came in with. Aj Green. Yeah and he came out of. TCU At the Big Rose Bowl performance against jj watt and and Wisconsin. I and I've had Bengal fans say. Hey Look at Dalton did for five consecutive years and you're moving on from Dolton okay so you did make the playoffs. But I. I don't know if you look at that team right now and save boy. They just underachieve that they're really five or six win team. I don't know yeah mclovin. They had some good players but never they couldn't keep everyone healthy. Aj Green iphone was so promising and Gino Atkins got hurt a couple of times but AJ Green. I mean I think it's a free agent. It doesn't feel like he should go to patriots team or somebody who can win bees not gonna win even with borough. We don't stay healthy. Yeah and as great as he's been Dan you just can't count on him and I think mixing and Geo or nice running backs. I don't think they're great running backs but are you even sold on in your head coach right now and. I don't think you can say that. But if you're the bengals so I mean I would take I wear but I would listen. Listen to an offer. Somebody may give you something crazy. You know we look at these teams in the eagles. Did they do the right thing. They got Carson Wentz. They got their franchise quarterback quarterback. Texans moved up the chiefs moved up Trying to think the rams moved up no did you get your guy but then the bears moved up mclovin. Did you agree with mcshea. By the way about. He would take to over. Borough healthy healthy to overburden. It's pure hypothetical completely healthy. Yes well we don't have enough time for it now but that those three first rounders from the dolphins sure it has to. I mean that's pretty. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 139: Yankees Acquire Paxton (11-21-2018)

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 139: Yankees Acquire Paxton (11-21-2018)

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Well, not a lot of time doing special thirty minute. Quick episode today, we'd been doing a couple more episodes than usual for this week for this Wednesday morning. So this is getting quickly. We're gonna I talk about the Yankees trade as they acquire Paxton. And we have more details on that with Mark. And then we'll get on the hall of fame ballots that are available. So what is this trade, the Yankees got my friend? Yes. So we all know that the Yankees are a very good offensive baseball team. But pitching is a problem for them. We know that they struggled pitching in that. Ultimately, I think is what separates the Red Sox from the Yankees because both of those lineups were potent. But the Yankees just could not match the arms of the Red Sox. Well, the Yankees have put pitching as their focus, and they went out and made a trade with the Seattle Mariners they have acquired James Paxton all star pitcher handed. Pitcher. And in addition to Paxon, they have given up and return, they're somewhat consider their top prospect at least their top pitching prospect Justice Sheffield, he will go to Seattle and also two other minor league players, but just as Sheffield is definitely the main piece. The main reason why the Mariners would make that deal. So the Yankees now acquire in all star pitcher to go with Severino Tanaka in cici's about the a will be back. But let me ask you this question. Do you think giving rid of their top pitching prospect is going to bite them on the butt? It could. But the problem is I know they were inpatient in like we want we pay for this guy developed went to win now, tablets, our I get that part. But maybe this guy becomes something serious. And they coulda had when they could have had their pitching problem solve if they just were patient. So if Justice Sheffield ends up turning into like Kershaw type of pitcher. I mean, obviously, I think we know that the ink is will lose this trade, but he hasn't played in the majors yet and scouts are a little bit torn on him. They they're not really sure if they see him more as a number two or number three type pitcher or some scouts even think he's better suited as a relief pitcher. He throws pretty hard. He he had his ups and downs this last year and some scouts said that. A lot of his struggles due to him overthrowing with trying to get to the big leagues. Maybe just a little too amped up when he pitched so it's hard to tell Jeff it just depends on I guess where you see Sheffield's career going as of right now the Yankees have all star pitcher under a very reasonable contract about four and a half million who's under team control for two seasons. So. They're in a win. Now mood would you agree with that with the one hundred? That's why the governor there prospecting got someone. That's good. Now they're wanting to win now. And they think this is the best chance to win now. So they they acquire guy who might be their number one. He's probably going to be there number two but still packs in as an all star American League on go play. God do you like national nationals different though? Hey now about the greatest star your show style. So don't remember what it's hold on. Hey now, you're an all scar. Get your game on you. Just ready to that. Okay. Yeah. No, one cares. You don't care about national. No anyways. The Yankees have drawn. First blood of all the American League teams who are trying to catch. The Boston Red Sox. Now, we've heard the Anki is might be in on the Bryce Harper and or Manny Machado sweepstakes. Do you see either one of those players being a serious contender for the Yankees? I could see them getting Machado and infielder because they have to big outfielder in judge Stanton. And I think getting Machado is the best choice to just fielding purposes. Just position wise. Yeah. I I agree there. I would see them going for Machado more than Harper puss. I think Harper is a little more expensive. I think you'll end up being a little bit more harbor might get up to like I was little I was like disagreeing with four hundred million podcast while ago. But now, I'm like I can see him getting four hundred million. Now what if Bryce Harper what if the Yankees want to Bryce Harper to play first base? I think that's up to Bryce Harper. Says noted that he can ease again, or you could always D H, you know, judge or San Stanton who's the better fueled those standard judge. They're both not the. His arm. But I don't know. I just think like you. There's gonna be out to do a lot of position maneuvering to get Harper and with Machado, you really don't need that. A lot of baseball minds a lot of scouts think that the Yankees actually got an incredible deal in this in this trade. But as they don't get the Mariners any love for getting a top prospect pitcher, so Justice Sheffield MLB dot com has them as thirty first best prospect in all of baseball, but the number one pitching prospect and the Yankees number one prospect in general, so that's a big sacrifice pin. And then you're the number one pitching prospect the league. Well, the times these players don't work out, though, you know, these top prospects. Yeah. But you know, it's a big risk to me still who was the pitcher that the giants traded to the Mets for Carlos BELTRAN who didn't work out. But he was he was one of the top young prospects in high claimed out big even tell you. I can't remember I think that's I think that's the pointing your argument. I I mean, I get it. It's, but when you're the Yankees, you don't really need to you're not the Yankees are a team that has to really develop a lot of young prospects. I mean, they they they still do, but what that type of money. They're able to go get guys. I mean, I guess is this move put the inky is closer to the Red Sox or or at least. More even in that in that matchup with the rival. They still need a lot more work to be honest opinion because of how good and truly good the Red Sox. Are they are just on a completely different level to my opinion? Like, so do you think the Yankees need another pitcher or do you think they need to go for a guy Machado, they need both? They need any probably get some more pitching in the rotation because I feel like they're pitching is still weak all things considered. They can still improve on that. But I also think unturned of they need defense more rather than offense because they have plenty of offense. They can get the runs, but sometimes that standing can get on such a cold cool street that he is virtually like just a problem. But what CHA go is also kind of a head case. So just if anyone can handle a head case, it's the keys. So in two thousand eighteen. The only pitchers in the big leagues that had a higher strikeout rate and made at least twenty seven starts then Paxton are Chris sale Garrett Cole max Scherzer and Justin Verlander behind packs in our power degrom Corbin, Blake's nil. It's pretty good company. Right there. Young winners some obvious aces some World Series winners. That's a some some good competition. Right there. Gives you a lot of hope going into him going in the keys gives a lot of Yankees fans. Hope they can maybe this can be that as we need or that. I am award. Widow we need. I don't think the ink is are done either. I think they'll go after a pitcher though, if I had to Yankees are never done the off season. I think that they don't get Machado. And I think they don't get Harper either. But I do think they could get a go at Corbin. He's the potentially the top free agent pitcher, Dallas kaikal is a free agent. Like, there are other guys that may not be as big names, but could bolster their starting rotation. So. It will be interesting to see kind of where they go from here. Only the only way up for the Yankees at the moment. And again, four point six million is what they're paying Paxton. So they didn't give up they didn't acquire somebody who's eating up a ton of payroll. So it still allows them the flexibility to go out and buy one of these free did get lucky with the the money. He has. Right, right. Is he he could be worth so much more. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Other than that the Oakland as they acquired right handed pitcher, Tanner Anderson from the pirates. For a player to be named later. Sounds like I don't know if that really moves the needle at all he made he was wanna know last year in six outings. So. Who knows but the one win, no losses. The as are always making these types of moves. It feels like something that may look like, it's inconsequential. And it turns out to be a big a big deal like down the road. So. Yeah. And Jim Hickey steps down as cubs pitching coach. He's citing personal reasons. So he was only there for one year. What do you think those personal reasons are like family or I don't want to speculate? I really don't. But hopefully, it's nothing too serious. Right. You never wish that on somebody. Cool. So what do you say we take a break? We have a lot of hall of fame stuff to talk about we have plenty of players that we can talk about as this year's hall of fame. Those coming up sweet we get on that when we get back to you. Hey, sports fans football season's here. And it's time to get in on the action. With my bookie. Mybookie is the industry leading sports betting website that offers real Vegas odds on football baseball, and all your favorite sporting events. You can take a side the total or even fantasy points props. My bookie lets you bet online and wind bay did the game already kickoff. Don't sweat it. Mybookie has in game live betting on every major league. Andy vent, even east sports. 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But now we go onto retirees in the MLB as Elliot pills. He has announced his retirement who did drian. Beltway. Oh, wow. Twenty one years, and he finally hung up. Yeah. I think he wanted to win a World Series. But I think he knows that. Now, that's probably not going to happen. You think he's a surefire hall of Famer I believe so three thousand hits three thousand history gets you in the hall of fame. Really? Yeah. Is everybody that has three thousand hits in the hope is Pete Rose in the hall of fame. Okay. But you know, what? I mean. I'll look at the three thousand hit club right now. Okay. All right. Well, while you do that. Or do you wanna talk about the hall of fame because it's that time of year where the finalists have been announced? We have some new. Additions to the hall of fame voting. We have some players who have been snubbed for various reasons, I found them already. But can I tell you like who is not in it in their kind of still active or just retired? Who's that? Okay. Everyone else has made the hall of fame. Besides these players Pete Rose for obvious reasons. Derek Jeter Adrian beltway, Alex Rodriguez, Ichiro Suzuki, Alvar pool halls Rafael Palmeiro. Yeah. Isn't they're all gonna get in except for probably Palmero again. That's the whole issue in itself. Right. Mhm Pete Rose to I think Pete Rose eventually get in. Yes. Well, he's banned for life. Yeah. But things change, you get pardoned, you know, people have been pardoned in the government before there at some point. They're just Gari in. I honestly I hate to say this. I think they're going to say that when he's dead. Yeah. Probably that's probably what's going to happen. I die and then get in the hall of fame. It does suck to say. But it's couldn't you see that happening where people are are a little bit sentimental. And then they're like, you know, what? Yeah, he made some transgressions. But we're thinking is he deserves to be so so let's talk about the the new player. You know what? Yeah. We'll talk about the newcomers. I I'm going to go ahead and ask you all name them. And you kind of tell me what your first thoughts are. And then if you want to add any comments feel free, okay? First one. And again, these are all first timers, ROY halladay. Tragic death last year about a year ago. Yeah, I think that puts him in the hall of fame just him tragic passing away his no hitter in the playoffs in two thousand ten. I really was. Yeah. I think that puts him in the hall of fame. Yeah. You know, Johan Santana. He was a great pitcher. But you could even say holidays crew was even better. Seven hundred more innings compared to Santana. I mean, the numbers are slightly better. But. I don't know, man. It just seems like how they is a hall of Famer. I don't know if he's a first ballot. Do you think is a first ballot? Or do you think he'll take him some time it usually guys like this? It takes time. I think. Yeah. Give it like a year or two. Yeah holiday. I think had that good of a career though, where he will be. And what about Todd Helton? He is an interesting player because as we know he had the luxury of playing in Colorado playing in that stadium chorus field. We are all aware. It boosts your numbers. It definitely helps out when you look at numbers. And ultimately Jeff numbers are what we look at. When we talk about hall of fame. Yeah. Absolutely numbers is the key. So do you think he gets in? I would say this year, but he'll get in the next four years. He had five all star appearances for silver, sluggers, three Gold Gloves. He finished in the top ten and then Il MVP voting three times. But he never won. I think he'd never winnings. Gonna put a damper on his hall of fame ballot. Yeah. I think you had a hall of fame level type peak. But. I don't know if he did enough. He really faded. He never hit over twenty home runs after his thirty one age thirty one season. He was injured a ton. It's hard to say that he will get in. I don't think he will. I really don't. I think that the chorus field stuff actually be argument used against him. So I can see that. How about Yenkey is legend Andy Pettitte does. He sound does that sound like a hall of Famer when you hear his name, I will put them more in the lines of like two to three years from now he's not first ballot. Or is he snubbed this? He's on the ballot for the first time. Yeah, he's not going in first time. But you do think you'll get in. I think like three or four years down the road. So he did confess using HGH. Well. If guys like bonds can't get in why should pet it. Yeah. But if bonds should be in. But I'm saying if these players are not being let in because of PD's, why should why do you think pet? It will be. You won't be. That's the thing. If it's HEI if he's positive to know, I mean, he admitted using it. So, but I think it's could come to the point where down the years when he's last year eligible, they'll say, okay, you know, what he pay. He admitted he paid for his mistakes. Let's get him in the hall of fame. All right. So how 'bout Andy Pettitte teammate Marian Rivera? Absolutely first ballot first ballot slam dunk. I don't you think. So I think he's the greatest relief pitcher of all time. So yes. He also had seventeen pretty darn good to great seasons. Like, I don't remember him having a bad year. Right. Like he was as consistent as you can be. Sounds accurate. No one goes in unanimously though, Jeff, no one. In terms like like, not everyone votes. So he should get enough that right? He should get over seventy five percent. You're that. No one's ever been unanimously voted in their first ballot. Yeah. But I think it's like once like Derek jeers in there. He's gonna be unanimous. All right. So what about Lance Berkman? No. No forever. No. For the next ten years. Give me like no for the next ten years. Okay. So no, he's not getting in. Okay. How about ROY Oswal? No, he had great seasons. Sure. But he didn't do enough to be hall of fame caliber had five really good seasons. That's enough. I know, but he did. And then after he turned thirty. His career went downhill. I mean back injuries. I don't think. I don't think he gets in. How about Miguel Tejada Miguel Tejada also in his first year on the ballot? You remember him as that shortstop? It could make a lot of awesome infield plays. Very slick fielder for sure anyhow could do a little damage with the bet himself. So he did win two thousand two. MVP so AOL MVP. So do you think he gets in as MVP he has a better chance to most people, but I would say not first ballot. He's also a player that has been involved with, you know, PD's drug associations where he was always. Always rumored to be on PD's. So okay. So how about a guy who's in his last chance? Here. Jeff Edgar Martinez. This is the last chance for him. He was on voted in by seventy percent last year. Do you think you'll get the required? Seventy five percent. He needs five percent to join the hall of fame. Do you think he gets it in his last chance? Yes. I really do. Uncommon. That's an unpopular decision. But yes, someone say that he's the greatest designated hitter in major league history. It's it can be argued, regardless sees a great hitter. He was twenty votes shy last year. So he needs to change the mind of twenty people. Do you think so? I think that could be enough. I think he could do it. All right. So what about Mike Mussina? He has five years remaining on the ballot. He was at sixty four percent last year, his share increased by almost twelve percent. Do you think that he'll get the twelve percent needed to be hall of Famer this year to be voted in? I do is that doesn't seem that much all things considered. Yeah. It's not. Okay. So let's get to the meat of this argument. The meat of this. We all know we're going to talk about here. We're gonna talk about players who. Are fairly or unfairly not in the hall of fame. And I don't think it's really based on merit. It's based on your opinion on if they were using factually or not factually PD steroids, but the numbers speak for themselves. So we'll start with Curt Schilling Curt Schilling fifty one percent. You know, hit his thing wasn't in terms of PD's. It's more about kind of hatred towards his politics. Yeah. I mean, it really is. You can say what you want and he can always play the victim like he loves to do. But I mean, he hates journalist, right? Like, he, you know, he were that novelty shirt about lynching journalists, or you know, re tweeted, whatever he did he's always been kind of a stick in the mud, right? So do you think he gets in? He's fifty one percent. Fifty one close with twenty some odd percent left. Some people think that his that he's going to his votes going to remain frozen. Like, some people don't think it's actually going to go up. Yeah. I it goes up. Okay. So what about Roger Clemens fifty seven percent of the vote last year? Do you think he gets required seventy five and gets in? Yes. He's got four years remaining. He was at fifty seven percent. So he's about eighteen percent off eighteen percent of that sounds bad. I'll say in this year in by by next year. So if he gets put in then it'll definitely be a shift. Right. Like that means a do you think bonds will get in because they're basically at the same percentage? Yeah. I believe both not in for the same reason. I leave bonds Ciardi be in to be honest with you. Okay. You think that? Why would you say that because he's the all time leader in home runs seven hundred and fifty six and PD's don't help you hit a baseball like help you get strength on the baseball shirt. But doesn't time you doesn't give you timing doesn't give you vision and bottom line is. He was intentionally walked more than anyone else in professional baseball history. Yeah. Everything he's done speaks for itself. Seventy three home runs in his seven hundred sixty two home runs in his career. He was part of the forty forty club. Forty homers, forty steals. Like, this guy has done everything. And why are you letting him out even though he's done illegal substance abuse? Sure, why not he's done. He's done steroids. But that doesn't stop that. Shouldn't stop you in this circumstance of what he's done in baseball, even before with the steroids when he's done baseball is more than enough. So are you saying that is if you? Our key. Or if you're used or found to be have used performance enhancing drugs that it doesn't matter like, you should still be allowed to be in the hall of fame like it shouldn't there should be. At least a discussion. If you don't want them in their discussion. Right. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, at least you're discussing it. But I'm saying is like if there's something worse than that. If he's like, oh, I put too much tar on the bat. Porked my bat stuff like other shows that really affects your swinging motions and really affects hitting the ball other than just giving your arms bigger then. Yeah, I would say, no. But he didn't like he didn't cheat with a bat. He didn't cheat. He just he just used. He used tonight. I understand that. That's worse cheating with a bat rather than taking performance enhancing drugs. Well, it's like it's performing hasn't drug for a bat. So I mean, yeah. But you'd say that's worse, though. But you see people cork back in. They just drive the ball three hundred four hundred feet and Barry Bonds without a by. Yeah. He had strong arms. But again. It's timing. It's vision its reception, it's knowing where the ball's gonna be I mean, no one's doubting that he was a great baseball player. He's one of the best baseball players of all time. But the hall of fame isn't the argument is we put the best players in the hall of fame, regardless of how they did it or do we I feel like there's there's a there's a glass ceiling there. But I think bunch should break through it. Do you think Pete Rose should get in? He he's bonds was banned for life. But do you think Pierro she get in? If. If Barry Bonds just asking about Pete Rose. Do you think he rose was correct in saying he never bid on his own team's games? Then you know, what the is bringing back. But if he did bit on his own team's games, just keep him banned because that's wrong. Do you think he bid on his own team's games? He claims he hasn't. But again, he's he was on damage control. And he said that right? But I like something you would say right, or if you're like, okay, I admit, but I'm not fully admitting everything right? Like, he he could have very well have been I wouldn't have been shocked. I mean, I see what you're saying. If he didn't bit on his team or against if he did he bit for his team every time. What if he bit that his team would win every time that he bet on his team? I don't know that that's a gray area. I mean that wouldn't be you wouldn't see any fault in that. Right. You'd be trying your hardest to win the game. That's the point. And even if you had an extra incentive, it's really the same. As like having a really. How to answer that to be on? But I mean, would you agree with this? If you on your team to win every time isn't that essentially like a bonus. Like if you hit like eighty five wins, you get like an extra five hundred K on your contract. You know what? I mean. It's like the same thing. It's like an incentive. Yeah. And incentive bonuses based sure we can go there. But yeah, there's other things. The age old debate will this ever end the PD stuff. Never never never ever. I think bonds will get in. And I think Clemens will get in. I don't know if schilling will get in which is kind of funny to me, but. Clemens and bonds. We can both agree. You you talked about bonds numbers. But Clements, you could do the same thing. They both have the required numbers. It's not about the numbers. So. Anyways. To put in the hall of fame. Any thanks giving side dish. Who would go in the hall of fame? What side dish would go in the hall of fame only, those mashed potatoes hands down, even if even if they're instant, mashed potatoes. Let's like PD mess old mashed potatoes. What about green bean casserole? Can I get an MVP? You're gonna not like me never had it. Or if I did I forgot about it. Wow. Never had green bean casserole. That's sad. I if I did I don't remember. Oh, that's even worse. Not memorable. All right. Well, I think that's it. Happy thanksgiving. Everybody will stay. We'll say looking at that hall of fame voting. Maybe we'll be surprised. Maybe we won't be. But we'll we'll see what happens after the vote. 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Hour 3: The Club

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Hour 3: The Club

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Bob's is route and fighting a dog while I've never heard of Baas Rootin- so positive has been on the shows to God's like the idea that you've never heard of him he's been on the show several times Stugatz B. O. Z.. Z. It's B. A. S. E. S. art. I was you know because there's scandal you guys are dragging this thing right into the into the quicksand. Why are you pronouncing it vase though? Oh right exactly. That's BS right. Bass rooting baas would connote a Z. Right yes joined the Navy Bosley. Bosworth boss awesome. Yeah Yeah Continue. Something about a dog was a dog's name speedy speedy. Ruin these libertad show with the STUGOTZ. Oh Gods on. ESPN radio CARAMEL. Put It on the poll please lebatardshow better description for getting the CHEETOS. Dust on your fingers cheeto uh or cheetos fingers the way in is happening right now for McGregor Sironi and you've got a situation in which Put It on the Pole Guillermo at Lebatardshow. Do you miss drunk disrespectful Conor McGregor because he thinks he is extending. He is extending a whole lot of humility a whole a lot of respect to his opponent in this fight and Any deserves it but all opponents probably deserves some respect and the reason that McGregor got his famous as he is because he's not the best fighter in the UFC. He made it because of his mouth because he gave great press conference the best fighting talker since Muhammad Ali or maybe Tyson because but Tyson wasn't performance. Tyson was just terrifying. You didn't know what it is that you're dealing with bill. You have an update for us. What was the update on Pete? Rose Pete Rose was supposed to be at twelve fifteen now twelve minutes from now. Is that in jeopardy thirty. Yeah so Pete Rose is supposed to join us next segment but his people reached out to our people and said peace feeling really unwell today and he's been vomiting a lot so he's probably not going to be able to join but here's his number and call him and maybe you can talk into it. So that's the update he may or may not be joining us next segment but is definitely only sick and vomiting sick. Pete Rose so you've got an update on the health of Pete. Rose yes may He. May He feel better I I'd I'd like him to come on the air sick. And all of the Air Ralph all over the microphone. Oh like that. Who Food deserts a bit of a show killer? That's just talking for the sake of talk. It would be funny. It would be funny if everybody sick. Pete rose joined us and threw up all right on on live radio. It's a shame if pete rose is able to make it because remember the nice things billy ray Cyrus said about him. I'd love to play that for Pete rose Put It on the poll Guillermo Lebatardshow. Have you ever used Ralph to describe bribe throwing up. Do we know why it's called. Ralph is it because it can sound like Ralph as it comes out the sound of it. Sounds like Ralph Brow. I'm not alone with that right Aguirre. No you're not alone Guillermo. Also put it on the poll please. Are we still making Ralph's. Have you ever met a Ralph of any of you. Ever met a route. I have tell us about it. Well I had a great one of my best friends growing up. His Dad was Ralph in Ralph Alma and I used Gobert Ralph and Elma Alma Ama from Iowa lovely people by the way Mike your new coach for the Browns yes. I think he's sexy. I think he's coming after mcvay in terms of rugged good looks and just general handsomeness. Kevin Fancy is a testament to what stubble can do for a man because I've seen photos of impre- beard and totally different guy. The beard add so much but he does look are. Are we agreeing that he looks like a handsome leader. Oh He's definitely Zadie. I don't know what kind of leader he's GonNa results in any winds. Probably not considering our history but in the meantime handsome. Handsome Devil is Zadie because variables out here talking about his dad body. Now variable isn't really Zadie if you watch them on the sideline and he doesn't really care about. His appearance was rocking the mustache like he kind of looks at I know he works out before games and I know he's probably chiseled under there but he's not giving that off not like Zadie. I like what variable gives off. I'm not sure what Zadie means but I think he's a good looking guy you liked. It gives off. He's doing three minute planks before games. He's a former football player. He knocks Out His coach and his former quarterback A variable didn't exactly have to come up the pipeline in terms of spending a lot of times as a graduate assistant or doing it the way The New Carolina Offensive Coordinator Brady is doing it. Where seven years ago and I know he's only thirty but seven years ago? That dude was the linebackers coach. Which at William and Mary and here's fable with the surprise story of the season correct Is there a bigger surprise right now than the Tennessee. Titans benching Mariota healing themselves and over the course of a season where ten hell has the best passer rating in the sport. That is indisputably indisputably a different team than the titans have been not just because look. They won a couple of one game samples. The way they're playing football has been largely overwhelming overwhelming offensively even as their quarterback somehow throws only seven yards in both of the playoff games because they've got something in the passing gauge. That's preparing to screw everything up in this postseason like we want to watch passing offenses outside of Tennessee. Nobody wants the Tennessee. Titans to advance Vance into the super bowl so we could be talking about. King Henry and Ryan Tannehill. Everybody wants the chiefs are enormous favorite and an enormous popular favorite favorite. We want to see mahomes in a super bowl. There can't be anybody outside of Tennessee rooting for Tennessee. It's a remarkable Throwback story the titans and the way they win if if they win one more game and get to the Super Bowl Ryan t they have a chance to be the first team. Since the nineteen seventy two seventy three dolphins the throw fewer than ten passes in a super bowl and win because of Derrick. Henry I mean the the guy has i. I don't know how he isn't worn out. He's rushed I ninety six times in the past three games but he's on a four-game tear. That's that's unprecedented. Eight hundred sixteen game past four games. Well he's been on a different planet that guy and they know it's coming everyone knows it's coming and one of the things in the postseason that you want most most whatever it is whether it's a four-man pass rush from the forty niners or this is something that no one knows how to stop. Even though they know that it's coming and not really a talking point. Henry is a free agent. This guy is not really being talked about the way that we're talking about Patrick Mahomes or any of the other quarterbacks and and he's a six foot three he himself is a novelty is he also disposable like all these other. Running backs are disposable. When you see the titans doing this with a quarterback getting them this far with seventy and navy yards past? Derrick Henry would be a good pro running back at this point in his career. Considering any of those you see running bags specially although Mark Ingram's probably trying to change that narrative to Nick Sabin Ran Derrick Henry of bunch. When you're that large your bigger target for defenses to hit him? You're taking a lot of punishment. But no he's so giving out punishment and on top of that at six foot three at his weight he is pulling away from guys. We don't see running back like this so I think he's six four at least that's what they listen as I Taints bigger than most of the people he's playing against looks bigger than everyone in a secondary trying to tack. It looks bigger than linebackers but tannahill the hill is also a free agent. And it's GonNa be real interesting to see how much he is willing to pay. Keep him or whether they give him an offer that implies he was sort of energy I wouldn't Tennessee. Cj I think they could do this with anybody when to this point in his career Ryan. Tannehill has been anybody what you have seen from the titans this season and the rarity of it because this is a weird thing that I'm about to say right. This is what you have coming into. This game is an enormous underdog story. That is a surprise that no one could have seen coming because of everything that has happened with the titans and yet that thing is being rooted against this weekend. Furthermore you have in that backfield someone who is more of a physical man than most host of the physical men playing that most physical man's game and that is something that people are not routing to see in the super bowl because nobody wants to see seventy yards passing in the super bowl. Nobody wants to see the Bob Greasy dolphins going eight for nine for sixty six yards winning the super bowl in seventy two and seven. I don't understand it because watching Derrick Henry run is amazing and it's it's a flashback. It's not as much fun as home past though. Yeah Man. Can you just this run from the titans if they make it to the super bowl going through Tom Brady Lamar Jackson and Patrick Arctic mahomes. I won't watch the Super Bowl. This show aim free time for some ads dangerously close to saying that I won't cover the Super Bowl if the titans not that week. Wow I'm dangerously close to saying that I will cut off my own penis. And if they win the Super Bowl so me and Mike people can do that together. Let's not tarred. What do you prefer flat swings or drumsticks? Because I like drumstick I like drumsticks to rules Stugatz if people do drum though you'd think there's a bunch of extra flout wings just laying around all right. Thank you I think more people do flats though more people do Dru- drumet- some telling you more so much I prefer to do all drums Latin at Vcu Donlevatar show with Stugatz on ESPN radio. The next South Beach Session is amazing. I think the Best S. one we have done. I don't want to oversell it but the people who were here heard it yesterday and it didn't Dan by saying it's the greatest one we've done. Yeah yeah well you guys heard it. I saw you guys in there. You heard it as it was happening. We were doing yesterday. I don't want to give away too much. But it was a very powerful I mean and it is. It is rare that you get people with that kind of story speaking that emotionally that honestly about stuff. That's complicated so I'm promising promising you that next Tuesday. It'll be the best south each session that you've heard. Billy what do you got for us on. Pete rose unfortunately Mister Roses ill oh and we had to reschedule. But the good news is if you are wanting to hear Greg and Pete you know cut it up. He's going to be joining us next. Tuesday so greg will be here. So they're going to miss anything. Anything Okay Great. So two days of Pete rose coverage instead of just one okay. We're killing our first show back from conference championship action. Oh that's right because we're off Monday for Mlk Day. Yeah but who knows what turns and twists. This baseball story could take by then. I mean yesterday we left here and we're like you know what this thing's winding up. This thing's pretty much over and Greg Cody brought up something interesting Off Air which is the only place that he does we were talking about him. Being just generally generally cheap and Greg Cody said to me man. It's a sticky situation because your son was saying it's not great That ocho chosaint goldfields the burden of having to leave a giant tip. Because he's Oh chosaint gone. You don't WanNa disrespect a server. Greg Cody was saying he was showing the rare. Pity for Jeff Bezos as the world's richest man because Bezos gave a rather sizable contribution to the Australian a wildfire a relief fund and it was viewed as an enormous amount of money for not him For anybody who isn't him and so he does a charitable thing and people immediately apply cynicism to him giving what was it merely eight hundred two thousand dollars to a call. Yeah it was close to a million. I think it was eight hundred thousand Australian dollars and he was vilified he was viscera on social media. You by people who were estimating that will based on his net worth he should have given at least ten million or what have you so he can't. He can't win for losing losing he. He can't win this you know no matter how much he gives. It's not enough if you're the richest man. Well he has he has won because of what you just said. You're the richest man in the world. So he he can win for winning because he always wins because he's going to own all things one day. This Washington Post is just a little toy for him Because because Creating movies like he's got a he's got a streaming service empire that he doesn't even need just making the you know original programming programming with Julia. Roberts because he can he I but I don't know what it is that people have inside of them that would make make them spend his money on charity in a way that is cynical and poisonous and to look at eight hundred thousand dollars hours and say that's not real giving if we're doing it with his wealth ten million dollars and one hundred million dollars isn't real giving either if what we're talking about is this man's right right but how we look at philanthropy as a weird thing because if he doesn't give anything there's nobody standing up and saying why isn't he giving to the trike but he gives out. Yeah that's right that's ridiculous. Yeah recently Amazon filed for a patent for technology that could identify you by scanning the wrinkles and the palm of your hand by using a light to see beneath your skin all the way to your blood vessels the resulting images could be used identify you as a shopper at Amazon on scared scared of all the technology. I'm scared of everything that all that everyone knows where we are because we're all addicted to our phones that at all times you can find out. We're just about everybody is because we're carrying being around these devices that might as well be low. Jacks all of us terrified by all of it all of it. I don't know what Alexis listening to everything. Yeah everything to remember. These are tech companies and they're just constantly collecting data. Even if you think you're just using them for shopping the data they're collecting electing is priceless. Put It on the Pole Guillermo at Lebatardshow. Are you scared of everything that's happening with. Technology and also put on the pole. Are Your devices at home listening to you. The thing that I wanted to ask you guys and I have not been watching enough. Sports Commentary Television to answer this question question. WHO's GonNa do it? Who's picking the titans who who's GonNa do it who would espn who oh somewhere? Who in the national media WHO's got the CO wholeness to pick the titans outside of Tennessee? I don't want any nominees scenes from the bias Tennessee populace among our ESPN analysts among the people who are predicting all over. Sports Television today using the prediction as entertainment. What do you think's GonNa Happen Guy who doesn't know what's going to happen and we'll probably be wrong because none of us had the titans coming this far? What do you think is going to happen? Who's picking the titans which of you have the bravery to pick the titans? Because I am not the one AH norm. I anyone in the shipping container. And we're going to see if the ESPN experts have made their pigs. I think universally they were all scared of it. We're all I'll do it watts. You don't mean it look at you. You got a big giant smile on your face. Awesome faking it week. Tarred Greg Cody of the Miami Herald has announced that we are the biggest and best radio. Show in America on Tuesdays Stugatz. You're welcome these Donlevatar show with Stugatz on. ESPN RADIO ESPN. Radio is presented Zenit by progressive insurance guests on the Dan. Le Batard show appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line. And now your sportscenter update. The Astros have signed George Springer to to a one year twenty one million dollar deal avoiding arbitration lorant. Hurt us be who was born with one arm recorded a hole in one on the one hundred in fifty one yard par three fold at the PGA West Stadium Course in La Quinta California and finally in a Qa with fans. Nick Cave said Kanye. The West is our greatest artists right. Now here's the selectquote difference. Most companies give you one option one policy and one rate but selectquote shops ups and you could get up to ten options from highly rated life insurance companies for a free personalized quote. Call eight hundred eight hundred seven. An eight zero ten ten or go to selectquote DOT COM for all the latest headlines and information tune into sports center on. ESPN radio all throughout the day. Hey what's so funny things. The one eight hundred number spelled out instead of numerals. It's like it's spelled out. which makes it much more difficult to read? That's how you supposed to write copy. Greg that's industry standard. It's bad industry bad standard. Okay okay very good. In my opinion I mean I'm only the one reading eating it. I should set the tone for this industry. It's you for professional standards. Should be the guy I I feel like. We'd all feel really good. Let me ask you this limited. If you're reading reading a phone number do you think it would be easier to read it numerically as you normally do or do you think it would be easier to read it written out numerically. Thank you the defense offense rest so well the separate zeros from the letter o basically as white right it out well. It doesn't seem like the defense is going to be allowed to rest does it. Well I guess would be the prosecution more than the than the defense. If you ask a thousand people. What would be easier to read a phone number numerically or written out here comes a made up stat? It would be ninety eight point nine percent there would be eleven people in a room room out of a thousand. That's high to eleven's a little. Thank you Billy Roy Roy. Another defense rests again. Even though he's the prosecution solution another one. Eight hundred is really standard. Though it's not like anyone would say like eighteen hundred or one one Bo. Nope so still hasn't called us. George arm up. Oh Yeah you're right thank you. It's I appreciate it What is not so easy talking? What would you say his name? The way that Chris Cody. He likes to pronounce it of the Carolina. Panthers new billionaire owner Tampa. Now it's temper and then it is tapper all right. Go sit outside Chris. Sit in the penalty box. I know what happened there. Chris and I feel for you a little information on the bit. We're doing yeah I I just became. It became a sports quiz which is not fair. It wasn't it was it was not. It was not helping other talent. You AH I did tell you before I just said Chris I'm coming to you. Just say the name of the Carolina Panthers owner the way you say it take. That's how it happened. You said can you do the CNA peppers thing and then you throw a curveball. Adam which is. Hey well how do you like to say the owner of the Carolina Panthers and he doesn't know what that dude's name is an east coast which is actually the name of a pass rusher not Own that is correct Also the name of Djibrill right. Yes thank you. So what are you doing back here. Already get out of here. Go sit down. I'm for two minutes We are doing the show and you go sit in the penalty box and do the show in there. I don't need your help here. Thank you you just go sit outside because I ask you a specific I mean you're in there with Gregg I feel like we can use all the hand. No no no. There's something I wanted to ask you guys before we get. Why are you still here? G is still here just trying to help. Yeah Mike Ryan is going to give view all of the people who have picked the Tennessee. Titans he has it in front of him. What's the website that you have? This is a lovely website. I didn't know existed did call the NFL. Pick Watch dot com that tells you the exact percentage of who picks what and it lists them in terms of these experts and I use that in air quotes because nobody knows anything. How does that work though? So stugatz comes on Tuesday and he says I pick the chiefs and then on Wednesday says I picked the titans. Are they constantly updating. Miss I I I do believe they're. They're constantly updating it but some experts aren't on their for instance a lot of the ESPN experts that have their own on dedicated website. Don't appear on this but Meena competes in this. NFL Pixel thing for ESPN winning are they. They're so they're tracking it and keeping records on. Who's good got it? Yeah they they I can tell you who the the best one has been the season with a little bit of time but right now Last week Meena through two weeks. It's in the playoffs is three and five. She's generally been good at this but you'll be happy to know that not a single one of the NFL experts. Pick the Tennessee. Titans that partake in this. ESPN expert poll. In fact only one expert deviated from a chiefs. Nine Super Bowl that would be seven year. NFL defensive offensive back and now ESPN NFL. Analyst Matt Bowen Who's going with a rematch of Super Bowl. One chiefs packers those records against Ansa spread or or straight up straight up picking games right. They're just picking the straight up but according to NFL pick watch which doesn't limit me to just ESPN experts. I can rattle off the NFL experts. Many of which you'll be hearing for the first time who that picked the Tennessee. Titans overall only eight percent of experts have selected the Tennessee titans as we recognize the name of our not many especially. Not Chris Cody because he can't even name. The panthers owner Christian de Andrea has picked like the Tennessee Titans. Yeah we're all fan of his work. CBS Sports is John. Branch has picked the Tennessee. Titans I know we're constantly talking about him James Brady. From SB. Nation has picked the titans and Caylin collared has picked the Tennessee. Titans we now go to page two. This is thrilling radio idea. I just want I want the names I wanted. I does anyone else find it. Funny that all of us are eating at this predictions trough the laziest possible sports entertainment in his just to pick games when none of us are any good at it for real and bounced can change anything. I find it funny that we've got championship games being played this weekend. And you can't find anybody with a name. I recognize picking the tight. Well you obviously recognize Jarrett Bell from USA Today because he also picked the Tennessee. Titans we move on now to page three. Because I don't want to do this and I was at. Yeah I said Caylin collar. So that's it. Those are the names okay so not very many. The people are picking the titans manual does not appear on this list because he's not an NFL expert but on get up according to our sources picked. Tennessee okay keep working for people breath and let him out and see if we can put them in front of everybody. Doing it a little more sincerely than Roy Roy Bellamy from. ESPN has selected right. Yeah so the thing that I wanted to ask you So Chris Cody. What is the name of the owner of the Carolina? Panthers Pappas get out. If you're outside again what I wanted to ask you is Given the Carolina Allina is spending. They've got A. They got a guy in charge. WHO's worth billions of dollars? He wants to get in the game. He is not treating this as a toy he has been quoted as saying look in here to be mediocre. He gets rid of the established Ron Rivera who has a lot of credibility and When Ron Rivera had his final press conference he gave us the best sound that Ron Rivera has ever given us in terms of defiance and pride and and being bothered by the fact that he was fired but what they're trying to do there with the guy who is a bit of an innovator hear what they're trying to do there and this is? This is how hurt Ron Rivera was by what the owner of the panthers did by firing him that he showed you a a bit abrasive arrogant out of nowhere. The usually don't here in the coaching press conference this way when I arrived here in two thousand eleven. Stephan our thrilled for the opportunity so excited that we wanted to bring him some gear back to San Diego but the team was coming off two and fourteen season and you couldn't find any gear seem been low. Oh now you walk into grocery store you can find your you walk in a grocery store. You can see people wearing lewke clays or Christian McCaffrey Cam Newton Jerseys and I know I was part of the culture change when he's hardening. NFL and not be taken lightly. I'm proud that I took over to fourteen team and won back to back to back. NFC Division titles settles South Division. Titles I want to reemphasize. I'm proud that I took over two thousand eighteen and won back to back to back the emphasis swamp three in a row. So what I wanted to ask you guys. Mike Ryan and the investigative team has found. They have found a name expert. Who's picking to the titans? We'll get that in a second but given that they just went into Lsu and got the new innovator the guy who made borough borough the the new a hot shot coordinator. God knows how much they had to pay to get him. Because that offense looked is overwhelming as anything we've seen in college and they're pairing him with a guy who had multiple job offers matt rule and they give him the extraordinary contract for a rookie coach. Who's not urban Meyer? One of these hugely coveted collegiate candidates. Seven years seventy million dollars to get the leadership right. I don't think that there is a job available in football. That has a better possibility of rehabilitating a quarterback than this one. He's only thirty right the Cam Newton's not we are sort of dismissing him because his body is broken down the last couple of years but I would love to see Cam Newton something. That's not this primitive. Is the Ron Rivera. Offense always seemed to be with Kelvin. Benjamin dragging his fat ass all over the field but the hot rumor now is why. Don't you package package Cam. Newton and a bevy picks to Cincinnati and get Joe Burrow. Because you know Joe Brady Joe Borough. Doesn't that assume that Cincinnati wants to win care about winning they care about Running they don't care about winning. You can't prove to me that the bengals care about winning. They are the only team in the sport. That doesn't care about when tonight. Yeah I don't they wouldn't make that move. I don't think they would keep. They would take burrow because he's going to be cheap for the first few years it would be a bengals move though to give up the hotshot quarterback to get a guy who may or may not be broken. I just I like to look at that and wonder what it is. That those guys if you've got a new billionaire trying to use new math to try and get a quarterback comedy jobs are available. The jobs that are available. Don't have good quarterbacks. That's the way it generally works. That's why they're available. You want your name. Brand and analysts have picked a Tennessee Titan after the draft kings rate. You just give it to US Alina. Can you believe it's Conference Championship Week. Time's up for two of the teams playing this weekend. But you still have time to feed your fantasy fix with draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football draft your lineup and feel the sweat like never before every run throw and catch me more for the draft kings lineup on on the line. It's simple just after lineup. Stay under the salary cap and see how your team stacks up against the competition. Plus for a limited time all new and existing users. I can get a deposit bonus up to five hundred dollars. That's some extra cash to play with throughout the playoffs. Download the draftkings APP now and use Code Dan and for a limited time both new and existing users can get a deposit bonus up to five hundred dollars on your next deposit new users be sure to enter code Dan during sign up and you'll also get a free shot at over seven hundred and fifty thousand with your first deposit. That's Code Dan and you can get a deposit bonus up to five hundred dollars. Only at draftkings minimum minimum five dollar deposit required deposit bonus requires a twenty five times playthrough eligibility where you're falling apart. I find draft king. I I find your just falling apart. Find the name guy who picks the titans find out who it is next deliver tar. It's Friday I'm getting into the week and I WANNA get my drink on. Stugatz got open up the club opening date open now but is the computer. buffering is these are show with the STUGOTZ ON ESPN radio. We've got a clubbed open here in a second. Oh and I've gotta Rip Mike Florio in a second but first greg. Cody was cackling during the break. Because he doesn't understand the need for this headline he And he's right about this. He's reading this headline and he's saying come on. What do we need this for as news borough would be happy with Bengals says dad? Add The quoting of Dad's the quoting of Dad's on something that benign. I be more interested. If the DAD said he wouldn't be interested in the bengals. The headline should be no way. Joe Plays in Cincy. Says Dad if you'RE GONNA say Saids Dad if you're GonNa Read Says Dad the headline. It's got to be a little better than that particular headline Mike Ryan. Who is the name in our industry who has been willing to have the honus to you? PICK THE TITANS SKIP bayless. Oh for the love of God all right so here we go Pro Football Talk Mike Florio before we opened up the club Bob. He writes And this is odd given the Mike Lore is a lawyer. The new Aaron Hernandez documentary feels like a not so subtle kitchen sink. Think effort to excuse his murders. I don't understand why people have so much trouble with the difference between excusing something and trying to explain it like. I don't understand Dan. Nobody who the hell can forgive what Aaron Hernandez Dead How who nobody. There's nobody who can forgive it. It's it's totally unforgivable. I don't understand why people can't make the distinction between explaining behavior versus excusing it. Raining down judgement on it to me. That netflix documentary does as good a job. As I've seen anywhere on television of exploring the roots. How the hell did a person who was playing for the champion Patriots and just signed a five? Live your forty million dollar contract end up being in murderer it should have been as big a story as the OJ thing really. I mean it can't be because. OJ crossed lines that Aaron Hernandez tight end did not that was about the fame Not the not necessarily jealous nature of the crime Let's go ahead and open up the club with a really terrible segue so this is an assortment of sounds to send you into the weekend. Based on things you may have heard this week or other weeks. What are we got Dan the belt? Yes we Chris Jericho trying to pronounce my name and they shall Dan Adleiba Posey. Both in the club is Miller the man to get the program back into the national spotlight. It's not an easy answer but you know what maybe well Maine yes Maryland Airland yes Massachusetts again Minnesota yes Mississippi yes well in Montana no Nebraska. Yes I forgot to ask them about Arkansas. Arkansas Greg Greg. Yes who else in the club benefits with the still laminate royalty. Who Else in the club this? This is bill amid a camera Lens. I love peanut butter. Bill Walton. Of course who else in the club that he might come into work in disguise disguise today by the time he accidentally dyed his hair the color and consistency of tank Colin cowherd. He went over ten. The number of states that Greg Cody has been. You haven't been in how many I haven't been in seven o'clock in the club. I don't recall. Thank you for listening to the show on E._S._P._N.. Radio your will.

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KB joins the show to talk Weekend Wormholes

"Hey, Dave and thanks for checking out today's show podcast brought to you by landmark credit union at landmark. Credit. Union they understand that it's not just a house you're buying. It's a home, so they offer you better rates and lower fees and your own mortgage loan expert has a guide visit landmarks cu dot, com, or call two six, two, seven, nine six forty five hundred landmark credit union. You're worth more here inspired by NCUA equal housing opportunity you're looking for. It's time for. Life One. Oh one good feature. He really seems to care. About. Water have no and advanced course in survival. Strangely calm that. No you can't play with joy it on his money levels I do. The color still badly now. Say here's your professor. All right. We've got a whole weekend stretching out in front of us. Hot Weather. Hopefully some Golfer UK but also some nice air conditioned naptime, which gotta die with each weekend. I will be teeing up as soon as I. It'll be phone down here and then in the car to the course and get I'll get eighteen in about two hours in five minutes before I have to get ready for the shell. Then, my wife is coming whores. What mythical course could you get two hour and five minute rounded. It's right near my house. The TPC Blackstone Creek. We're all members. Yeah I've got your membership. Is The show for you reality T. Time. What are they wearing the course for you like the Secret Service? You can play in two hours and five minutes, or is it on a weekday? You can get around quick. It's on a weekday. You can get around. That's that's great, said he can get out ahead of you. Get out ahead of the old man. And then you can just fly. Right is a summer. Wife's coming home as well real quick. What's too hot in the summer? That's why poll question as eighty, eighty, five, ninety or ninety five. What's too hot for you probably ninety five? And I don't what I don't like. Is this is? This is what everyone says, but the humidity is exhausting. I've played golf in Phoenix, when it's been one hundred and five, and you get tired, but it's a different kind of tired. you go out in the humidity, and you just get drenched in just Austin. So I'd rather have dry, one hundred five than ninety, five and any humidity. But I loved the heat. All right so to the matter at hand. You want to start by talking about your weekend. Worm all which is on Netflix called home game. And I've got the trailer here. It's more visual than it is something that you can listen to right, but it's very well produced, and it basically takes sports from around the globe that you've never heard of. It chronicles them right. Yeah so this calcio stark and sent some sounded gator about this where they describe it. I when I flip this on. I was just flipping through Netflix and I started watching it and I'm like Oh my God. This is a sport that would just absolutely flipped the bird at the bubble. These guys are so insane. I have never seen anything like that. It's like rugby. What's the name of the game again? Calcio Story Co. it's be meets. The Hunger Games meets MMA. Where's it away? It's only played in Florence, and they divide the unity in the fourth section Yep, Florence Italy and basically it's rugby. We'll play that thing. To kind of explains it. Coach store. coz played on a rectangular pitch. That Houghton's back to the Colosseum of ancient Italy. There's one ball. Two goals and teams made up of goalkeepers defenders than strikers. Goes a one point each, but if you should miss, the other team gets half a point. The team that scores the most goals during the fifty minute match wins the thing that separates conscious Noriko from other sports is the bare knuckle boxing. It's used to clear. The flight zone and occasional style they all the ball movement strategy. In American football, you block in basketball, you screen. Encounter you punch. The district you were born, and there's no changing teams ever. You are either red, white, green or blue. For Life. Oh my God is mark good is that? There's more. How good is eh. Okay Wait Oh no twenty Saudi L.. How do you Spell Calcio Store Ika? A. L.. It's I got it. It's under Youtube and go home game, and then it'll say C. A. L. CIO stoorikhel. Yeah. So. Guy, plus, boxing plus hunger games, plus yeah run reels. So. It's two teams at twenty seven guys twenty seven guys on each team at the same time, so they're on the field on one time, so fifty four guys. That whole right and they guy starts running with the ball, and then these guys just square off and start punching each other and kicking each other and if you're injured. You're. Bare knuckles. If you're injured, you're out of the game. And then you'd play one man short. They had death was one of the options you know they they had to They had to change the rules because people would die. On believable doable. Italy right there. Watch these. These dudes. These dudes are ripped. It looks like. It looks like they're right from the some of these guys, not all of them some are just guys with a stiff jaw an. Evil in their hearts, but some of these guys look like they're extras in the movie three hundred. Wow, OH, yeah! No they just pummel each other, and and it's like they're kicking. Kickboxing the only thing that you can't do is you can't team up to on one on a guy. Right and something about going to the can't go to the head. because. It resulted in too many deaths. Would it be to have? Your punching is ahead. Yeah I mean, but there's something about the head that you can't do You can't kick him in the head or something. Like. That? Is that a red card then if you kick somebody in the head, yeah, you. Do you get ojected? You do get objected, but that's what it is. I flip this on and I'm watching the Manga God. This is actually and they all look like Vatican guard. They dress like the Vatican guard like a shirtless Vatican guy like ready to glamour shots. And So. This not on E. S. P. N.. Not been picked up by a major TV network why? I have no idea, but they only play. You have the four teams right to team square off against each other, so you play one game then those winners play another game and it's always like June, twenty four and the nats it. Yeah, so they play once a year. Yeah, you're not going to have a sixteen game season. Best. Of bestest seventeen series, whoever still has teeth left after the end of it is the winner. This, not the most awesome sport ever. It's really good man, it's it's really good and this. This show net net flix goes and looks at other wild games while and the other. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of home. There's like the highland games, the Scottish thing and Roller Derby, and then so I got to the fifth episode, and it's this thing called Coke Baru, and this is in one of the stands corrected standard. Stands over. There Co Kangaroo Coke Borut now. This one is awesome, too. Because it's like a horseback game, get roll this and explained. To overstate the Reverend's the people here hold for. And the central place in the culture that connection is not only a source of national pride. It's also. One of the most unique games on earth. Coke. Coke Larue first page game that looks like. Until you realize that in. The bulled is a dead goat shakeout. Course! The ball is a dead out my God or is it is of. Their on Tofu is like Cobra was like Bush. Qazi, in which they use the severed head of a goat as the ball on horseback. Polo Kazi was push ozzy part of the series. I didn't see Bush Kasi, but this is the opposite, so if they're playing Bush, Qazi and the field next year. You're taking the remains of the goat 'cause. The goat has no head, so it's like Hey, what are you gonNa do with the rest of that goal? When you t after you take the head, we'll take it. Right here, so there's no stick you know there's no polo stick they actually have to. They actually like ride and carry the goat in their arm, and then like people are trying to. Steal the goat from them while they're writing. And then there's a big. There's a big circular like pit type thing, and all these horses are converging on it, and then the guy you know they throw the goat into the pit, and if it goes all the way into the pit, then you get a point, and like the stands are packed with people. You know and it's and it's in a way, and it's Kinda like it's Kinda like bags when you play bags, you know you get off. It's a leaner you know have to stay in over the side of the hall. No, you don't get the point. Man. It's gotta go all the way in. As amazing stuff for sure, isn't that awesome I? Like it, I like it. Hey, you were tweeting the nineteen seventy five world series you were. Getting All the All Star game excuse me right. Tell me how that went because I was catching a fury or tweets. Laugh my ass off I was like what K- get into I actually watched a sport which stopped drew an arm in their tracks because they couldn't believe it. But I the seventy five. All Star game was played at County Stadium and I was flipping around and I saw a Fox Sports Wisconsin was running I'm like okay. Why want to see this well? These are all the guys that I grew up with right you and I'm I'm watching. They're doing the. They're doing the intros. And I realize it's like Oakland did a killer uniform flex I mean. It was just stand down Oregon. Because these guys did it big time twenty five years ago to thirty five years ago. So they had. They said they were softball uniforms. That Oakland had you know. They made fun of the Orange and goal. Will they show up in the All Star game? They got six guys on the team. Four different uniforms Alvin dark goes white on white gene tenace goes gold over White Reggie Jackson goes green over white and invite a blue. Throwing some major swag. Goes Golden Gold. and He. He was a started wider. And it's like what a flex they go out with four uniforms now. We're just not going to wear our ways. We're coming with Horn. them all we're bringing gets, and if you think about it, it's genius. Because how much merged could they have possibly sold? When it's an all-star, nobody can afford. In nineteen seventy by ours. Yeah, know what I'm saying you do that now. Oh well. Now team could be like the Oregon of baseball or of any sport where they just literally have somebody combinations. You can't keep up week after week, but the league's have guidelines in the league. Say You can't do you. They won't let one team go totally off the reservation. The NFL wants their league looking a certain way you know. And this then watch the game and this it looks so cool and then watching the game, right? And they played. This was game seven of a world series I mean it was a lit- US A great us. Start off just like the pro bowl like the pro bowl and football cabbie used to look like a real. Game. not A ha, ha, patty cake ole-ole. I'M NOT GONNA tackle you game. What happened to our all star Games and sports where people just stop drawing? I'm watching this. It starts off. was leads off. Rips rips a single the right field. Lube rockets up next hits a blooper in the center. Okay a blooper. Pete rose wheels around second I. Mean This is just a adopted falls in. He's going for three. He wasn't able to stop. The helmet comes off headfirst dive. Of course he's out, but then Pete rose. Next time up hits another single from the left side of the plate, so he's got two hits from either side. They move them from right field to left field. There was one point where Johnny Bench throughout camping on first base on snap throw. And they called the freaking Balk. WHO also Bach in an all star game never might be the only time ever. Johnny was like Johnny Harto Umpire. That's who your. Grace from the up hiring supervisors Joe the only good job. It was unbelievable. It was so awesome. It's out there on Youtube, and the game I think the National League scored three in the top of the ninth to win. But. It was a great game. And it wasn't this wasn't for show. Wasn't an exhibition I know lolly gagging around? Right in lolly gagging out of the DUGOUT. You're LOLLYGAG. What does that make you LOLLYGAG IRS? So this week, he'll collect. Real quick. You know that Rogers is broken up officially with Danika Patrick. Yes, Manning's one his. His Madden. Rating went from eighty nine to ninety four. New. Here's the one person I cannot stand in this universe. We live in right now B. It is the following. It's the guy who insists that this is none of your business. In other words. It's the guy who capes up. For the imaginary privacy that doesn't exist of a high profile celebrity athlete about a simple break up with a girlfriend. This has done to your business. BRO, SETTLE DOWN! He's a public figure. It's gossip I'm curious. Okay fine noted stop keeping up for people who don't know you. Can't rank and then they what? She un-filed him and Instagram, which was the first tip, but I will tell you here right now. The break-up is not official until someone changes their netflix's password. That's the. At all you can do whatever you want. You Change Your passwords. Then you're fishery done. Very good enjoy around today and checkout more show podcasts at the game. M. K., E. DOT com brought to you by landmark Credit Union and Landmark Credit Union. 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