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a16z Podcast: Innovating in Bets
"Hi, everyone. Welcome to six z podcast. I'm subtle and today Marc Inari doing another one of our book, author episodes were interviewing any Duke who's a professional poker player and World Series champ. And is the author of thinking in bets which is just out in paperback today the subtitle of the book is making smarter decisions. When you don't have all the facts, which actually applies to startups and companies of all sizes and ages, quite frankly, I mean, basically any business or new product line operating under conditions of great uncertainty, which I'd argue is my definition of a startup and innovation. So that will be the frame for this episode, and he's also working on her next book right now and founded how I decide dot org, which brings together various stakeholders to create a national education movement around decision education empowering students to also be better decision makers. So anyway, Mark, and I interview her about all sorts of things in and beyond her book going from investing to business to life, but any begins with a thought experiment, even though neither of us really know that much about football. So what I'd love to do is kind of. Throw a dot experiment at you guys. So that we can have a discussion about this. So I know you guys don't know a lot about football. But this one's pretty easy. You're gonna be able to feel this one which is do the start experiment p Carol calls for marshawn Lynch taxi run the ball. So we're we're betting on someone. We know is really good. Well, they're all really good. But we're betting on the play that everybody's expected default. This is rational the assumed rational thing to do. Right. So he has Russell Wilson handed off to marshawn Lynch marshawn Lynch goes to barrel through the line. He fails. Now, they call the time out. So now, they stopped the clock. They get another play now. And the hand the ball off to marshawn Lynch what everybody expects marshawn Lynch again attempts to get through that line. And he fails end of game patriots went my question to you is are the headlines. The next day that worse call in Super Bowl history. Is Chris Collins were saying, I can't believe the call. I can't believe the call or. Is he saying something more like that's why the patriots are so good? They're line is so great. That's the patriots line that we've come to see this whole season. This will seal Bella Czech's place in history. It would have all been about the patriots. So let's sort of divide things into like, we can either say the outcomes are due to skill or luck and lock in. This particular case is going to be anything that has nothing to do with p Carol, and we can agree that the patriots line doesn't have anything to do with Pete Carol. Bella check doesn't have anything to do with Pete Carroll. Tom Brady doesn't have anything to do with Pete Carroll as their ceiling their fifth Super Bowl victory. So what we can see there's two different routes to failure here. One route to failure you get resulting. And basically what resulting is is that retrospectively once you have the outcome of a decision once there's a result. It's really really hard to work backwards from that single outcome to try to figure out what the decision quality is. This is just very hard for us to do. They say, oh my gosh the outcome. Was so bad this. This is clearly I'm going to put that right into the skill bucket. This is because of Pete Carroll's on doing. But in the other case, they're like, oh, you know, there's uncertainty. What could you do weird? Right. Okay. So you can kind of take that you can say a ha now, we can sort of understand some things like, for example, people have complained for a very long time that in the NFL they have been very very slow to adopt. What the analytic say that you should be adopting. Right. And even though now we've got some movement on fourth down calls when are you going for two point conversions and things like that? They're still nowhere close to where they're supposed to be. Don't make the plays correspond to the statistical probability is in fact, the analytic so that if you're on your own one yard line and its fourth down, you should go for it. No matter what the reason for that is if you kick it you're only Bill to kick to midfield. So the other team has basically almost guaranteed three points. Anyway. So you're supposed to just try to get the try to get the yards. Like when have you ever seen a team on their own one yard line hunt? Fourth down be like, yeah. Let's go for it. That does not happen. Okay. So we know that they've been like super slow to do what the analysts say is is correct. And so you sit here, and you go why is that? And that thought experiment really tells you why because we're all human beings. We all understand that there are certain times when we don't allow uncertainty to bubble up to the surface as they explanation, and there are certain times than we do. And it seems to be that we do when we have this kind of consensus around the decision. There's other ways we got there. And so okay, if I'm a human decision maker, I'm going to. Choose the path where I don't get yelled at. Yeah. Exactly. So basically, we can kind of walk back, and we can say we allowing the uncertainty to bubble to surface. And this is going to be the first step to kind of understanding what really slows innovation down, what really slows adoption of of what we might know is good decision making because we have conflicting interests right making the best decision for the long run or making the best decision to keep us out of a room where we're we're getting judge or possibly fired. So can let me propose the framework that I use to the methods to see if you agree with it. So it'd be two by two grid, and it's consensus versus not consensus, and it's right versus wrong. And the way we think about it. At least our business is basically consensus right is fine consensus consensus right is fine. In fact, generally, you could call genius. Yes. Consensus wrong is fine. Because you you just have ever, you know, this is the same mistake. Everybody else. Matthieu alibi? Knock consensus wrong is really bad radioactivity bad. Right. And so and then and then as a concept. Of that. And maybe this consider innovation stuff that that you'll be talking about. But as a consequence of that there are only two scripts for talking about people operating in the non consensus, directions one script. Is there a genius because it went right, and the other is there a complete moron because I went wrong is that does that. That's that's exactly that's exactly right. And I think that the problem here is that what is right and wrong mean in your to buy to wrong, and right is really this just a turn out Weller. Now, this is where we really get into this problem. Because now what people are doing is. They're trying to swat the outcomes away. And they understand just as you said that on that consensus wrong, you will have like a cloak of invisibility over you like you don't have to deal with it. Right. So let's think about other things besides consensus. So consensus is one way to do that, especially when you have like complicated cost benefit analyses going into it. I don't think that people when they're getting a car are actually doing any kind of calculation. About what the cost benefit analysis is to their own productivity versus the danger of something very bad happening to them. Like, what is the society? We've someone's done this calculation. We've all kind of done this together. And so therefore like getting in a car is totally fine. I'm gonna do that. Nobody second guesses anybody. So somebody dies in a car crash. You don't say one of moron for getting in a car know another way that we can get there is through transparency. So if the decision is pretty transparent another way to get there is a status quo. So like good status quo example, they like to give because everybody can understand it is you have to get to a plane, and you're with your significant other in the car, and you go through this every couple so you go your usual route like you go the literally this is the route that you've always gone, and there's some sort of accident. There's bad traffic, you missed the plane, and you're mostly probably comforting each other in the car. It's like what could we do, you know? But then you get in the car, and you announced to your significant other. I've got a great shortcut. So let's take the shortcut to the airport and there's same accident. Whatever. Horrible traffic you missed the flight, and that's like that status quo versus not status quo decision. Right. You're going against what's your and comfortable. It's actually if we go back to the car example, when you look at what the reaction is to a pedestrian dying because of an autonomous vehicle versus because of a human were very very harsh with algorithms, for example, if you if you get in a car accident, and you happen to hit a pedestrian that can say something like, you know, what Mark didn't intend to do that. Because I think that I understand your mind is not such a black box to me. So I feel like I have some insight into what your decision might be in some more allowing some of the uncertainty to bubble up there. But if if this blackbox algorithm makes the decision now all of a sudden, I'm like get these cars off the road never mind that the human mind is a black box itself alert. Right. We have some sort of allusion that I understand sort of what's going on. And they're just like I have an illusion. I understand what's going. On in my own brain. And you can actually see this in some of the language around crashes on Wall Street to when you have a crash that comes from human being selling people say things like the market went down today when it's algorithms they say, it's a flash crash. So now, they're sort of pointing out like this is clearly in the skilled category. It's the algorithms fault. We should really have a discussion about algorithm trading. And whether there should be allowed when obviously the mechanism for the market going down the same either way. So now, if we understand that so it's actually your matrix. Now, we can say well, okay. Human beings, understand what's going to get them in the room and pretty much anybody who's, you know, living and breathing in the top levels of business at this point is going to tell you the process process process. I don't care about your outcomes process process process. But then the only time I ever have like an all hands on deck meeting is when something goes wrong. Let's say you're in a real estate investing group, and so you invested in particular property based on your model and the appraisal comes in ten percent lower than what you expected. Like everybody's in a room. Right. You're having a discussion you're all examining the model you're trying to figure out. But what happens when the appraisal comes in ten percent higher than expected is everyone in the room going. What happened here there is the obvious reality? Which is like we don't get paid a process. We get paid out comes Booker players. You don't get hit impresses you could play out compete on outcome. And so there is a incentive there is. It's not completely motionless. There's also a national. There's a real component. Yeah. So two things one is you have to make it very clear to the people who work for you that you understand the outcomes will come from good process that that's number one. And then number two what you have to do is try to align. The fact that as human beings, we tend to be outcome driven to what you want. In terms of getting getting the an individual's risk to align with the enterprise risk because otherwise you're going to get the CYA behavior. And the other thing is that we want to understand if we have the right assessment of risk. So one of the big problems with the praise coming in ten percent who high there could be that your models. Correct. It could be that you could have just a tail result. But it certainly is a trigger for you to go look and say with their risk in this decision that we didn't know was there, and it's really important for deploying resources. I have a question about translating this to say non investing context. So if in the example of Mark's matrix, even if it's a non consensus wrong, you are staking money that you are responsible for in most companies people do not have that kind of skin in the game. Right. So how'd you drive accountability in a process driven environment that the results actually do matter? You want people to be accountable yet not overly focused on the outcome. Like how you calibrate that? So let's think about how can we? Create balance across three dimensions that makes it. So that the outcome. You care about is the quality of the forecast. So first of all obviously demands that you have people making forecasts you have to stay in advance. Here's here's what I think. This is my model of the world here where all the places are gonna fall. So this is what I think. So now, you stated that and the the weather the outcome is quote, unquote, good or bad is how close are you to whatever that forecast is. So now, it's not just like, oh, you want to it or you lost to it? It's was your forecast. Good. So that's piece number one is make sure that you're trying to be as equal across quality as you can and focus more on forecast quality as opposed to traditionally what we would think of as outcome quality. So now the second piece is directional. So when we have a bad outcome and everybody gets in the room when was last time that someone suggested while, you know, we really should have lost more here. Nobody's saying that. But sometimes that's true. Sometimes if you examine it you'll find out that you didn't you didn't have a big enough position. And it turned out. We'll maybe we should have actually lost more. So you want to ask both up down end or thog? And all so could we have lost less? Should we have lost more? And then the question of should we have been in this position at all? So in venture capital after a company works and exodus has held for a lot of money. You do often say God. I wish we had invested more money. You never ever ever ever. I've never heard anybody say on a loss. We should have invested more money. See, I wouldn't it be great. If someone said that like, wouldn't you love for someone to come up and say that to get the logic of what would be logic of why they should say, they don't get the point. Exactly, why does that matter. I don't really understand that. So let's can I just simple in a poker example. So let's say that I get involved in a hand with you. And I have some idea about how you play and. And I have decided that you are somebody that if I if I bet ax you will continue to play with me, let's say this is a spot where I know that I have the best hand. But if I bet x plus see that you will fold. So if I go above exit. I'm not going to be able to keep you coming along with me. But if I bet X or below that you will. So I bet ax you call, but you call really fast in a way that makes me realize, oh, I could have actually been explicitly. You hit a very lucky card on the end. And I happen to lose the pot. I should have maximized at the point that I was a mathematical model of me was wrong, which was learning independent of the winner the loss. Exactly. So you need to be exploring those questions in a real honest way because it has to do with how you size future bets. This is exactly like a company betting on a product line crap. And then like ticking like, you know, what the next product line is gonna be in the not having had the information that would then drive a better decision making process about the learning loss that's happening because we're not exploring that the negative direction is a now you should do this on. Wins as well. So if you do ever discuss a win, you always think like how could I press? How could I have one more? How could I made this even better? How could I do this again in the future? Should we have one oversaw the bat, and then got bailed out by fluke? We should have actually had less in it. And sometimes not at all because sometimes the reasons that we invested turned out to be orthogonal to the reasons that it actually ended up playing out in the way that it was. And so had we had that information. We actually went to bed on this at all because it was completely orthogonal. Like, we totally had this wrong. It just turned out that we ended up winning and that that can happen. Obviously that happens in poker all the time. But what does that communicate to the people on your team? I good bad. I don't care. I care about our model. I want to know that we're modeling the world. Well, and that we're thinking about how do we incorporate the things that we learn because we can generally think about stuff in in two stuff. We know and stuff. We don't know there's stuff we don't know. We know. We'll we don't we don't worry about that. Because we don't know don't know it. But then there's stuff we could know and stuff we. Can't no. But things like the size of the universe or the thoughts of other exactly outcome. We'll actually be a who don't know that. I have a question about this though. What is the timeframe for that forecast? So let's say you have like a model of the world a model of technology. How it's going to adopt. How it's going to play out in some cases, there are companies that can take like years to get traction. You wanna get your customers very early to figure that out? Right. So you get that data. But how how much time do you give like how you size that timeframe for the forecast? Like, you're not constantly updating with every customer data point. And so you're also giving it enough time for your model. Your plan your forecast to play out you have to think about very clearly in advance. What's my time? Horizon. How long do I need for this to play out? But also not don't just do this for the big decisions because there's things that you can forecast for tomorrow as well. So that you end up bringing it into just the way that people think and then once you've decided, okay, this is the time horizon and my forecast, and you would want to be thinking about what our forecast we make. For a year two years five years for the specific decision to play out. And then just make sure that you talk in advance at what point you'll revisit the forecast. What? So you want to think in advance. What are the things that would have to be true for me to be willing to come in? And actually revisit this forecast because otherwise you can start as you just said like you can turn into like a high wind, right? Exactly because then you're like one bad customer and suddenly like over rotate on that. When in fact, it could have been right include that if you include that in your forecast here are the circumstances under which we would come in and check on our model, then you've already got that in advance. So that that's actually creating constraints around the reactivity, which is helpful to cushions on practical implementation of the theory. So when I'm finding more people understand the logic of what you're describing because people are getting exposed to these ideas and kind of expanding it importance and some warmer people intellectually understand this stuff. But there's two kind of I don't know. So call it emotion driven through something. The people just really have a hard time with so one is. As they you understand. This could be true. If investors CEO product line manager in a company kind of anybody in one of these domains says, you can't get the knack consensus right results, unless you're willing to take the damage, right? The risk on the consensus Ron results, but people cannot cope with the not consensus wrong outcome. They just emotionally cannot handle it, and they would like to think that they can. And they intellectual understand that they should be able to as you say when they're in the room. It's such a traumatizing experience that it's the touching the hot stove. They will do anything in the future to avoid that is that just one for predation would be that's just simply flat out, human nature. And so to some extent the intellectual understanding of here. It doesn't actually matter that much because there's an emotional override so that would be a pessimistic view on our ability is a species to learn these lessons, or do you have do you have a more optimistic view that I'm going to be both pessimistic and aftermath at the same time. Let me sleep. 'cause I think that if you move this a little bit, it's a huge difference. She sort of have to tax that you wanna take one is how much can you move the individual to sort of train this kind of thinking for them. And that means. Means naturally they're thinking and forecasts a little bit more that when they do have those kinds of reactions which naturally everybody will they right the ship more quickly. So that they can learn the lessons more quickly. Right. I mean, I actually just had this happened. I turned in a draft of my next book the first part of my next book to my editor. And I just got the worst comments. I've never gotten back really bad twenty four hours. But I've been twenty four hours. I was like, you know, what she's right now, I still had a really bad twenty four hours, and I'm the like give me negative feedback like Queen because I'm a human being. But I got to it fast. Like, I got through it pretty quickly after this. I mean, I, you know, the, you know on the phone with my agent saying, I'm standing my ground. This is ridiculous. And then he got a text the next day being like, no, she's right? And then every wrote it, you know, what it's so much better for having been rewritten. And now I can get to a place of gratitude for having the negative feedback. But but I still had the really bad day. So it's okay, right. Yeah. And it's okay. Like, we're all human like, we're not robots so. Number one is like how much are you getting the individuals to say, okay? I improve two percent. That's so amazing for my decision making my learning going forward. And then the second through line is what are you doing to not make it worse? Because obviously for a long time people like to talk about them results oriented, if it's like the worst sentence. The is the worst. I heard that a lot of people know that all you care about you. That's fantastic. Be results-oriented. All you want. You should pay by the piece you will get much faster work. But the minute you're asking people to do intellectual work the way ended is like the worst thing that you could say to somebody. So I think that we need to take responsibility, and the people in our orbit we can make sure at minimum that we aren't making it worse. And I think that that's so that sets pessimistic and optimistic I don't think anyone's making a full reversal here. So second question, then it goes to the societal aspect of this. And so that the talk about the role of the storytellers doors, or is sometimes known the journalists editors editors and the editors and publishers, and so the very first reporter I ever met when I was a kid this as of germs hamburger. The Wall Street Journal the internet was first emerging. There are no stories in the in the press both internet, necessarily because all this interesting stuff happening. Why am I not reading about any of it entities newspapers? And he's like well because the story of something is happening is not an interesting story. He said there are only two stories of newspapers he said one is the glory of it. And the other is oh the shame of it. Basically said it's conflict. So it's either something wonderful has happened or something horrible is happening that you stories, and then you think about business journalism is kind of our domain. You're going to think about it. You like those are the only true profiles of a CEO or foundry read. It's just like what a super genius for doing something presumably not consensus in right, or what a moron like what a hopeless idiot for doing something not consensus in wrong. And so and so since I've become more aware of this like it's actually gotten it's gotten very hard for me to actually read any of the coverage of the people. I know because it's like the people who got not consensus right there being lavished with too much phrase. The people got not consensus wrong. They're being damned for all kinds of reasons. The traits are actually the same and a lot of cases. And so I guess as a consequence if you read the coverage, it really reinforces this bias of of a being results oriented, and it's like, it's not our fault that people don't want to read a story that says, well, he tried something in it didn't work this time. Right. Exactly. And so is there a medically pretty good? If we go back to Carol. This is a pretty great case if we think about options theory, the just quickly the pass preserve the option. For to run plays. So if you wanna get three tries at the zone instead of two for strictly for clock management reasons, you pass I know it's not gonna kick off USPS sportscenter that night so optimistic or pessimistic that the narrative the public narrative on these on these topics we'll ever move and super super pessimistic on the societal level but optimistic on on if we're educating people better that we can equip them better for this. So I'm really focused on how do we make sure that we're quipping people to be able to parse those narratives in a way that's more rational. And particularly, you know, now, there's so much information, and it's all about the framing and the storytelling, and it's particularly driven by what's the interaction of your own point of view. We think about it as partisan point of view, for example, versus the point of view of the communicator of the information in how is that interacting with each other? You know in terms of like how critically our viewing the infant. Nation. For example. I think this is another really big piece of the pie and somewhat actually related to the question about journalism, which is that third dimension of the space. So we talked about two dimension, which is sort of outcome quality. And how how are you allowing that you're exploring both downside and upside outcomes in a way that's really looking at forecast. How are you thinking directionally so that you're more directly neutral? But then the other piece of the puzzle is how are you treating omissions versus comissions? So one of the things that we know with this with this issue of resulting is here's a really great way to make sure that nobody ever results on you don't do anything. Okay. So like if I just don't ever make a decision. I'm never going to be in that room with everybody yelling at me for the stupid decision. I made because I had a bad outcome. But we know that not making a decision is making a decision. We just don't think about it that way, and it doesn't have to just be about investing. You can have a shatters own personal. So, you know, it's really interesting. I remember. Giving somebody advice who is like things like twenty three. And, you know, so obviously, you know, newly out of college had been in this position for a year and was really really unhappy in the position. And he was asking me like, I don't know. What to do? I don't know if I should change jobs. And I said, well, you know, so I did all the tricks. You know, time traveling. And so I was like well. Okay. Magin it's year from now, do you think are gonna be happy this job? No, okay. Well, maybe you should go and choose this other maybe should go and try to find another position. And this is what he said to me. And this I think shows you how much people don't realize that the thing you're already doing the status quo thing choosing to stay in that really is a decision. So he said to me, but if I go and find another position, and then I have to spend another year, which I just spent trying to learn the ins and outs of the company, and it turns out that I'm not happy there. I'll have wasted my time. And I said to him. Okay. Well, let's think about this though, the job you're in which is a choice to stay in. You've now told me it's a hundred percent in a year that you will be sad than if you. Go to the new job. Yes. Of course. It's more volatile. But at least you've opened your you believe in the range of outcomes up, but he didn't wanna do it. Because it doesn't feel like staying where he was didn't feel like somehow he was choosing it. So that he felt like if he went to the other place yet ended up sad that somehow that would be that's his fault decision profound in my case mugging little too personal. But in my case, it was a decision that I didn't know I had made to not have kids, and it's still an option, but it's probably not going to happen. And might therapist told me that my not deciding was a choice, and I was like so blown away by that. But it had been allowed me to then examine what was going on there in that framework and to not do that for other areas in my life where I might actually want something or maybe I don't. But at least it's a choice that there's intentionally behind. I appreciate you sharing. I mean, I really wanna thank you for that. Because I think that people first of all should be sharing as kind of stuff do people feel like they can talk about these kinds. I number one. Number two in my book. I've got all these examples in there of like how you making choices about raising your kids when it feels cottages for people. Right. And you're trying to decide like should I have kids or shouldn't. I have kids or this school to marry or where right the live or an the thing that I try to get across is, you know, we can talk about investing like I'm putting money into some kind of financial instrument, but we all have resources that were investing. That's right. It's our time energy your party. It could be whatever your friendships your relationships there. So you're you're deploying resources and like for the kind that you're talking about. It's like if you if you have children, you're choosing to deploy certain resources with some expected return some of it good some bad. And if you're choosing not to have children, that's a different deployment of your resources toward other things, and you need to know that their limits. Everything isn't a zero-some game. No. But approaching the world, and the fact that evolution has approached the world, it's a zero-sum. Mm game and our toolkit. Makes it zero-sum game means that we need to still view everything as zero sum game when it comes to those trade offs and resources are losing something every time even in a non zero game. Right. So I don't feel like the world is zero sum game. In terms of like we most of the collaborate. We can both win too. But it's a zero sum game to go back to your therapist. It's zero sum game between you and the other versions of yourself that you don't aptly or an organization and the other version of it doesn't choose its -actly. So there's a set of possible futures that result from not making a decision as well. So on an individual decision. Let's let's put things into three categories clear MRs near misses and hits there some that would just be clear miss throw them out. And there's some that I'm going to sort of really agonize over, and I'm going to you know, think about it. I'm going to do a lot of analysis on it. And so the what ones which become a yes go into the hit category. And the other one is a near miss. I came close what happens with those near miss. Is is they just go away. So what I realized is it on any given decision. Let's take an investment decision. If I went to you or you came to me and said, we'll tell me what's happening with the companies that you have under consideration on a single decision when I explained to you. Why didn't invest in a company it's going to sound incredibly reasonable to you. So you'll only be able to see in the aggregate, if you look across many of those decisions that I tend to be having this bias toward missing toward saying, you know, what we're not gonna do it. So that I don't wanna stick my neck out. Now this for you is incredibly hard to spot because you do have to see it in the aggregate because I'm going to be able to tell you a very good story on any individual decision. So the way to combat that. And again, get people to think about what we really care around. Here is forecast not really outcomes is actually to keep a shadow book, the anti portfolio should contain basically all of your near misses. But then you have to take a sample of the clear MRs as well, which nobody ever looks at because the the near misses tend to. Be a little in your perforate if they happen to be big hits. So here's the pro. So good news, bad news. So good news. Is we have actually done this? And so we we call it the shadow portfolio and the way that we do it is we make the investment, we take an equivalent. We take the other equivalent deal of that vintage of that size that we almost did. But didn't do we put that in the shadow portfolio, and we're trying to do kind of apples to apples comparison in finance theory terms, the shadow portfolio may well outperform the real portfolio and in finance terms. That's because the shadow portfolio may be higher variance higher volatility high risk and therefore higher return. The fear is the ones that are hitting are the ones that are less. They're less spiky. They're less volatile there, less risky. So what's wonderful about that? When you decide not to invest in a company, you actually model out why that's offered by the way, it's often. I single flaw that we've identified like it's just like, oh, we would do it except for X. Right. We're actually like something that's like potentially existential bed. Right. And then that's just written in there. And so you know that so and then just make sure like those ones that people are just rejecting. That's funny. Schol. So we never do that sample me ask you how to do that though. So that that's what we don't do as as your as as as you're describing. I'm like, of course, we should do that. I'm trying to think of how we would do that. 'cause the problem is we reject ninety nine for everyone. We do. Yeah. So you just literally it's a sample. You just take random sample rooms. I mean as long as it's it's just sort of being kept in view a little bit. Because what that does is it basically just ask as pushing against your model to you're just sort of getting people to have the right kind of discussion. So all of that communicates to the people around you like I care about your model. So let me ask you a different question on because you talk about me sort of groups in groups of decisions. So they threw question portfolios or decision. So the other question early on in the firm, I happen to have this discussion with a friend of mine, and he basically looked to me. He's like you're thinking about this all wrong. You are thinking about this. As a decision you're thinking about investor or not he said, it's totally there. I'm going to think about this. You should be thinking about this is is this one of the twenty investments of this kind of this class size that you're gonna put in your portfolio when you're when you're evaluating an opportunity, you are kind of definition Neff. Initially talking about that opportunity. But it's it's very hard to abstract that question from the broader concept of portfolio or a basket. Yeah. What I would suggest there is actually just doing some time traveling that has people are really down in the weeds to say, let's imagine it's a year from now on what is the portfolio look like of these investments of this kind. So I'm a big proponent of time traveling of just making sure that you're always asking that question. What does this look like in a year? What does this look like in five years? So we happy. Are we sad? If we imagine that we have this. What percentage of this? Do we think we'll have failed? We understand that any one of these individual ones could have failed. So let's remember that. And I think that that really allows you to sort of get out of what feels like the biggest decision on earth because that's the decision. You have to be making and be able to see it in the context of kind of all of what's going on. It's fantastic. One of the most powerful things might Bearup est gave me and it was such a simple construct. It was sort of like doing certain things today is like stealing from my future cells. Oh it. It it blew my mind so beautiful so beautiful. And it seems so like, you know, hokey like personal self help me. But actually I had never thought of because we we're on a continuum by making discreet individuals like sewn on the pass onell today. So an all this women in the future. I haven't met yet. Wow. Yep. Like, the idea of stealing from her was like, I really. Awesome. Yeah. I like talking publicly about their because I like now, I'm very very I'm very open about like, let's not hide it. It's totally fine. No fucking reason. I'd I'd totally some of the ways that we deal with this is actually prospectively employing really good decision hygiene, which involves a couple of things one is some of this good time, traveling that we talked about where you really imagining what is this going to look like in the future. So that that's metabolize into the decision. To is making sure that you have pushed back once there's consensus reached great now. Let's go disagree with each other. Then the next thing is in in terms of the consensus problem is to make sure that you're listening as much input not in a room with other people. So you know, when somebody has a deal they wanna bring to everybody that the that goes to the people individually they have to sort of write their thoughts about it individually. And then it comes into the room after. As opposed to the pylon effect, and that reduces the sort of affects of consensus. Anyway. So now, this is how you then come up with basically what your forecast of the future is. But then is absolutely memorialize because that memorializing of it as the prophylactic first of all it gives you your forecast, which is what you're trying to push against any way. You're trying to change the attitude to be that the forecast is the outcome that we care about and it acts as a prophylactic for those emotional issues. Right. Which is now you it's like, okay. Well, we all talked about this. And we had our read over here. Right. We had a good steal man going on. And we kind of really thought about why we were wrong, we questioned if somebody, you know, let's if somebody has the outside view, what would this really look like to them by eliciting the information individually, we were less likely to be in the inside view. Anyway, we've done all of that good hygiene. And then that ax is a way to protect yourself against these kinds of issues in the first place. Again, you're going to have a bad twenty four hours. Just like for sure, but you can get out of it more quickly more often and get to a place where you can say. Okay. Moving onto the next decision. How do I how do I view? Building on that returning recruit to my optimism pessimism question. If society is not going to move on these issues, but we can move as individuals. So one form of optimism would be more of us can move as individuals the other for about tourism could be there will always be room in these public mains for the rare individual who's actually able to think about this stuff correctly. Like there will be an edge. There will there will always be certain people who are like much better poker than everybody else. There will that's for. Sure. Okay. Because most people simply most people just simply can't or won't get their bike a few people in every domain might be able to take the time and have the discipline willpower to kind of get all the way there. But most people can't or won't that in some in some ways, maybe that. That's okay. Like, I mean, I sort of think about from an evolutionary standpoint that kind of thinking was selected for for reason, right? Like, it's better for survival likely better for happiness, the conventional conventional wisdom don't does the Bernstorff twice or run away. When you hear rustling in the lease sit around and say, well, it's a problem. If I have to figure out how often does that ally in that's gonna come eat meals. People shouldn't be playing in the World Series of poker. Have people come up to me all the time? And be like, oh, you know. I play poker by suggest a home game. You know? And I'm like, what are you saying just a home game? Like, there are different purposes to poker lake you probably have a great time doing that. And it brings you a tremendous amount of enjoyment, and you don't have an interest in becoming a professional poker player. And just be proud of that. I think that that's amazing. Like, I play tennis. I'm not saying, oh, but you know, I'm I'm just playing we see, you know, I'm just playing in like US TA like three point five like I'm really happy with my tennis. I think it's great. So I think we need to remember that like people have different things that they love and this kind of thinking, I think that I would love it if we could spread it more. But of course, they're going to be some people who are going to be ending up in this category. More than others. And that's okay. Like, not everybody has to think like this. I think it's all right. So one of the things I get asked all the time is like, well, we can't really do this. Because people expect us be confident in our choices confuse confidence and certainty. So I can express a lot of uncertainty. And still convey confidence. Ready? I'm weighing these three options. ABC I've really done the analysis. Here's the analysis. And this is what I think I think the option a is going to work out sixty percent of the time option B is going to work out twenty five percent of the time and option C is going to work out fifteen percent of the time. So option a is the clear winner. Now, I just expressed so much uncertainty in that sentence. But also a lot of confidence. I also a lot of confidence done my analysis. This is my forecast, and all that I ever asked people to do when they do that make sure that they ask a question before they banked the decision, which is is there some piece of information that I could find out that would reverse my decision that we're actually not that would make it go from sixty to fifty seven. I don't care modulating so much that you're gonna actually tend to your point is that organizations can then bake that into their process CRA, not just in the forecasting Brian arriving to that decision to that. Then the next time they get to it, right or wrong. They make better decisions. And and if the answer is yes, go find it or sometimes the answer's yes. But the cost is too high. It could be time it could be actually because. Whatever it's actually so then you just don't, and then you would say, well, then you all recognize a group we knew that if we found this out it would change our decision. But we've agreed that it would the cost was too high. And so we didn't. So then if it reveals itself afterwards, you're not set will you've talked a lot about how people should use confidence intervals and communicating which I love 'cause we're both psychology people neither finished. So I love that idea. One thing that I struggle with though is again in the organizational context like if you're trying to translate this to a big group of people not just one on one or small group decisions. How do you communicate a confidence interval and all the variables in it in an efficient kind of compressed way, the honesty part of communication and organizations is emails and quick decisions. And yes, you can have all the process behind the outcome. But how do you then convey that even though the people were not part of that room of that discussion? I think that there's a simpler way to express uncertainty, which is using percentages now, obviously sometimes you can only come up with a range. But for example, if I'm if I'm talking to my editor, and this is very quick at an Email. I'll say you'll have the draft by Friday eighty three percent of the time by Monday, you'll have it ninety seven percent of the time. Those are inclusive for is another way of doing a confidence interval, but without making it so wonky without make it so wonky. So I'm just letting her know most of the time you're gonna get it on Friday. But I'm building like my kid gets sick. Or I have trouble with a particular section of the draft or whatever it is. And I set the expectations for that win tastic. I mean, we've been trying to do for Cussing even for like timelines for pie cuts editing and episodes, and I feel frustrated because I I have like a set of frameworks like if there's accents if there's more than two voices, if there's, you know, a complex ING room tone like interaction feedbacks effect. I know all the factors that can go into my model. But I don't know how to put a confidence interval in our pipeline spreadsheet for you know, all the content. That's coming out one way to do it as think about what's the range. What's the earliest that I could get it? And you put a percentage on that. And then you. Think about the latest day they're going to get it and the Senate on that. And so now what's wonderful about that is that it's a few things one is I've set the expectations properly now. So that I'm not getting, you know, yelled out on Friday like where the health drags, actually. And I think he'd have the battle a lot of what happens is that. Because we're we think that we have to give a certain answer it ends up boy who cried wolf, right? So that if I'm telling her, I'm going to get it on Friday, and you know. Judgment. Sometimes even height twenty five percent of the time. I'm late. She just starts to not put much stock in my in. What I've said anyway. Right. So that's number one number two is what happens is that you really kind of infect other people with this in a good way where you get them. It just moves them off of that black and white thinking. So I love that one of the things that I love thinking about. And this is the difference between the deadline or kind of giving this range is that. I think that we ask ourselves am I shore and other people are you sure way too often that it's a terrible question to ask somebody because he's the only answer is. Yes, or no. So what should we be asking? How are you? How sure are you? I have a quick question for you on this. Because earlier you mentioned uncertainty. How do you as an organization build that uncertainty in by default? So first of all what we obviously talked a little bit about time traveling in the usefulness of time traveling. So one thing that I like to think about is not over value the decision, that's right at hand that thing. The things that are right sitting in front of us. Right. So you can kind of think about it like how you going to figure out the best path. What is it? You know, as you think about what your goals are. And obviously the goal that you want to reach is going to sort of define for you. What the best path is if you're standing at the bottom of a mountain that you wanna summit, let's call the summit your goal. All you can really see is the base of the mountain. So as you're doing you're planning, you're really worried about how do I get the next little bit, right? How do I start? But if you're at the top of the mountain having attained your goal now, you can look at the whole landscape, you get this beautiful view of the homeland save. And now, you can really see what the best path looks like. And so we wanna do this not just physically like standing up on a mountain, but we want to figure out a cognitive way to get there, and that's due. This really good time traveling and you do this through back casting and pre mortem. And now, let's look backwards instead of forwards to try to figure out this is now the headline let me think about why that happened. So you can think about this like as a simple like weight loss goal. I wanna lose a certain amount of weight within the next six months. The end of the six months, I've lost that weight. What happened? I went to the gym. I avoided Brad. I didn't eat any sweets. I made sure that you know, whatever. So you now have this list, then impairing with that you wanna do appre mortem, which is I didn't get to the top of the mountain. I failed to lose the weight. I failed to do whatever it is. And then all the things you can do to counter program again exactly because that's going to reveal really different things. It's going to reveal some things that are just sort of luck. Right. Let let me think can I do something to reduce the chance they influence of luck there. Then there's going to be some things that have to do with your decisions. Like, I went into the break room every day and there were donuts there. And so I couldn't resist them. So now, you can think about how do I counter that? Right. How can I bring other people into the process, and that kind of thing, and then there's stuff that's just you can figure out. It's just out of your controlling turned out. I had a slow metabolism. And that what happens is that. You're just much less reactive, and you're much more nimble because you've gotten a whole view of the landscape, and you've gotten a view of the good part of landscape. In the bad part of the landscape. But I'm sure he's he's told you people are very lows to do these pre mortems because I think that the imagining a failure feel so much like failure. That people are like, no, you should posit, you know, positive visualization have actually been in brainstorming meetings. Everyone's like don't dump on an idea. But the exact point is and you have to dump on an idea and killed the winnowing options. Now part of the process, you should be then it's coming it. There's wonderful research by Gabriel attention than I really recommend that people see the references are in my book in across domains, what she's found is that when people do these the sort of positive fantasizing the chances that they actually complete the goal are just lower than people do this negative fantasizing. Then there's research that shows that when people do this time travel in this backwards thinking that increases identifying reasons for success or failure by about thirty percent. You're just more likely to see what's in your way. So like, for example, she did she did. One of the simple studies. What she she asked people who are in college. You know, who who do you are crush on that you haven't talked to yet. A she had one group who you know, it was all positive fantasies. So it's so like, I'm going to meet them. And I'm going to ask them out on a date, and it's going to be great in that we're in live happily ever after and whatever. And then she had another group that engaged negative fantasizing. What if I ask them out, and they say, no like they said, no. And I was really embarrassed. And so and so forth, and then she revisited them like four months later to see which group would actually gone out on a date with the person that they had a crush on. And the ones that did the negative analyzing we're much more likely to have gone out on the date and tastic. Yes. So one of the things that I say is like look when we're in teams to your point, we tend to sort of view people as naysayers right? But we don't want to think of them as downers. So I suggest divide those up into two processes have the group individually. Do a back cast have the group individually read a narrative about a pre mortem, and what that does is. When you're now doing a pre mortem it changes the rules of the game were being a good team player is now actually densify in the ways that you fail. I love what you said because it's like having two modes as a way of getting into these two mindset, right? Where you're not stopping people from feeling like they're a team player. And I think that that's the issue as you said, it's like don't sit there, and like, you know, crap on my goal. Well, because what what are they really saying? You're not being a team player. So change the rules of the game. You had this line in your book about how regret is an unproductive the issues that it comes after the fact not before. So the one thing that I don't want people to do is think about how they feel right after the outcome because I think that then you're gonna overweight regret. So you wanna think about regret before you make the decision you have to get it within the right timeframe what we want to do. Instead is right in the moment of the outcome. When you're feeling really sad. You can stop and say am I going to care about this in a year think about yourself as a happiness stock? And so if we can sort of get that more ten thousand foot view on our own happy. Innis. And we think about ourselves is we're investing in our own stock our own happiness stock. We can get to that regret question. A lot better. You don't need to improve that much to get really big dividends. You make thousands of decisions a day. I if you can get a little better at this stuff, if you can just, you know, bias a little bit think more probabilistically really sort of wrap your arms around uncertainty to free your self up from sort of the motion impact of outcomes a little bit is going to have such a huge effect on your future decision making. Well, that's amazing. Any thank you so much for joining six z podcast. Thank you very much. Yes. Thank you.
Jerry Jones, less is more, Aaron Rodgers-Russell Wilson, & the Blazing 5
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La However you may be listening blink wherever you may be listening. We have blazing five today in one hour. We Have Greg cosell today. We have Joel Klatt today. We have getting a great yelling at me today. We have bucky ocoee books today again. The blazing five today. We're moving everything up our final show of the week enjoy. Taylor is joining me. We we get ready for not only eating gene tomorrow but four days of amazing football starting with the cowboys bills. Tomorrow's a huge game to keep your eye on series everywhere. Today he is so Jerry. He is still fuming. It's Wednesday Jerry gets mad after games. He'll go down any fumes a little. If they lose a road game they should win or they win. Lose a home game they should win. It is Wednesday and Jerry. Jones is still fuming. Here he is this morning on the NFL network. No one in this country has earned the right to say I'm Jason Garrett man more than me I am his man the bottom line. Is We get graded. I'm in business. I don't have to win the Super Bowl and business every year. I can come in six Knicks and have a hell of a year but in this business and you gotta come in. I you've got to come in I and so fundamentally you've asked for or something that's a very narrow window to begin with. He's still fuming and he went on live. TV Today knowing he would be asked questions about Jason Jason Garrett so he wants the message out this is one of these things if as an owner you just say I can't do this interview cancel. Say I've got big big business. We have people cancel all the time in our show when they don't want a message out or they know. Were going to ask a tough question. Jerry New the question was coming thing and he went on live TV to answer it and double and triple and quadruple down on it. They're looking for a new coach. I want you to think about this. Is it worse than we think. Just some context here so when I say Philadelphia Eagles this year you think of two things massive massive injuries and Carson wentz appears broken. Does everybody get that. Philadelphia is is one game back of Dallas in Philadelphia hosts Dallas later that Philadelphia's next three opponents Miami Washington and the giants Amass US Dallas has eight and three buffalo at Chicago in horrible weather. And then Sean mcvay and the Rams folks everything thing is gone wrong for Philadelphia. This year they started the year they had cluster injuries in the secondary. But I've never seen it. They could never none of cornerbacks on the roster then their offensive line loses their left tackle Carson wentz appears broken. Last Sunday they were missing six offensive. Starters in in Philadelphia over the next three weeks is going to be heavily favored to win each game and Dallas very reasonably. Ably could lose to when you step back. It is worse than we think. Philadelphia should be done Philadelphia in Baltimore's division would be done in New England's division would be done in San Francisco Seattle's division would be done in the Minnesota Packer. Division would be done. Philadelphia's got a quarterback pitch broken an offensive line and a secondary a wide receiving corps in major crisis all year and there are ten point favorite are or the eagles to win this weekend. So there are those speculating remember. Dallas quarterback is has had a very good year Carson wentz broken Philadelphia's had massive physical crisis all year Dallas outside of Andrej mostly unhealthy. So start lining stuff up. There's a reason that Jerry it's Wednesday. He goes on live. TV He didn't check the interview. He wants the message out there though. Oh speculating if they lose to buffalo tomorrow they could fire Jason Garrett in season. I don't see that happening. I do think they beat buffalo but it is remarkable when you juxtapose the Eagles who get Dallas at home for the end of the year in bad weather and Dallas. This race should be over. This should not be close one quarterbacks broken once having his best year one team's been decimated one team's been mostly healthy very interesting. I again Dallas all right so every thanksgiving we eat a lot. We Gorge Tomorrow Right. My game plan with Thanksgiving's always been too small meals all eat in a light Thanksgiving dinner and then I'll go back at about nine thirty after an APP and I'll have another one so all twice tomorrow I'll go less is more on both. I tend to be a less is more person. I don't stay out that late. I don't party that hard. I like Nice stuff but I'm usually in bed early. I'm a less more guy. I've been arguing this ATV executives forever. Less people on TV fewer voices don't put thirteen people on a set it it gets lost ever watched CNN during their election coverage they have like forty thirty two people. Just give me you know. Just give me a real strong person and an analyst and maybe a third and then I'm out and talk about the election so last night the the playoff committee comes out Ohio state one Lsu to Clemson three Georgia Four Alabama five Utah. Six takeaway is as I've been saying all year. The committee city wants to SEC teams in and they're going to get to SEC teams in SEC. Teams are getting into of them. That's what they want. That's what they've been doing all year. Meaning if Alabama Beats Auburn and looks ugly they'll get in over Utah regardless of what the to do but college football has always in my life less has has always worked for college football because college. Football is the one sport that has urgency. You have to watch the Games. You can't lose two WHO Games everybody this year. Here's all I here. We go to an eight team playoff eight teams as solution solutia. More more to think about this yesterday when they made this release of the playoff rankings. None of us even like the number fourteen this year. Georgia Georgia at home got smoked by a bad South Carolina. Team the number five team Alabama's using a backup quarterback. They've played one good team. They lost Utah Lost A. USC AND USC was on their third string quarterback. If you start looking at the teams ranked just below Alabama Emma five in Utah Sex Penn state nine to could sneak in if we had an eight team playoff really penn state's played two really good teams. They lost a both Minnesota's Minnesota's ten in one if we had an eighteen playoff and they beat Wisconsin they could get in. Minnesota started the year out of conference by struggling against South Dakota State Fresno Fresno State and Georgia southern Georgia southern thirty. Five thirty two Wisconsin Beats Minnesota. They could get into eighteen playoff they lost Illinois as a twenty five. I point favorite. You all want eight teams. You all want more college. Football has always been better with less college football even more so than the we got one hundred sixty two major league baseball games. We got eighty to hockey games. We got eighty two NBA Games. NFL wants to add to their schedule schedule. And give us now. What is it seventeen or eighteen games? College football's always been. Oh you gotTA watch Saturday. You Call Your Buddy Clemson's down to Louisville you watch this if they lose this game there and you WanNa add more. Who would be in this year a Minnesota team that struggle Georgia southern and lost to the best team? They've played it. What do you want I? I look at college football this year and I see three exceptional teams Ohio states. The best football team. I've seen Clemson's the second best football team I've seen although it is hard to get your arms around Clemson because the conference stay plan is just so awful but I think they're great because they have a great coach great quarterback and great playmakers and then the third best team I've seen this. LSU which has a regrettable Greta defense by SEC standards remarkably bad defense for a team. That's GonNa win the SEC. But they're spectacular on offense quarterback running back wide receivers it's LSU athletes everywhere. But we always want more. Ask Yourself in eighteen playoff this morning. Who would be the fifth six seven? Eight teams really people struggling people losing to South Carolina at home people. Losing the only two games James. They've played against good teams Penn State. Just a thought. Nick Wright joins US before the end of the hour also at the top of next hour our blazing five we are moving our blazing five up today. We do it on Fridays. And you know I've never really done a Thanksgiving blazing five but I love my picks week. I've got my arms around the League right now I I feel very good so I thought I've had nine winning weeks. In twelve weeks of our blazing five nine of twelve winning weeks on Fox. Bet that Pasia so I thought let's reward the audience this this year. Let's do a blazing five. I love all my picks this week. That's coming up but next I've said for years I like Aaron Rodgers. We went a little Gaga over him. And I love Russell Wilson and we've never quite understood his greatness interesting numbers this year with Aaron Rodgers. You have guaranteed not me. You have told me Mike. McCarthy was the issue some startling numbers with Aaron Rodgers as we head into the Thanksgiving weekend. That's coming up plus Nick. They sure to catch live editions of the heard. Weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific on Fox. Sports Radio One and the iheartradio APP. Hi It's the heard this just in. It's officially fall. 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And you know people think think and I've said this I've always liked Russell Wilson more than the experts and I've never liked Aaron Rodgers quite as much as the expert. So let's let's be fair going in errands a little condescending I think he struggles in relationships with I mean. I've seen his family call him out sometimes on the sideline by himself. There's things things about his leadership and arrogance condescending. I don't like but I think errands a first ballot hall of Famer and I don't think he's a bad guy. Russell Wilson comes in on a defensive live team with the legendary coach. He's a little shorter reruns too. Much third round pick I think. Russell Wilson's the most underrated player of my lifetime in the national football league. I'm I'm dead serious when I say that I think Russell Wilson over time is now better than Aaron Rodgers. I don't doubt that for a second and so I was told this year. Two things firing Mike McCarthy would solve everything okay and I was also told you gotta give Aaron Rodgers and Matt Leflore Time give them the Thanksgiving as was kind of the refrained from everybody. Okay that's fair so Mike McCarthy's a bomb super bowl but a bomb and that you give matlock floor eight weeks nine weeks ten weeks a Thanksgiving before you start judging. So here's the numbers this year without Mike. McCarthy completion percentage jaren Roger Seventeenth in the NFL Passer Rating Twelve touchdowns tied for tenth. That's for the star wide receiver a star running back and a very talented tight end running back better than Russell. Wilson a star receiver better than Russell's and the Russell doesn't throw much to the tight end. Okay call him. That's not fair. Let's start judging him last. Couple of weeks Matt low-floor was new. Okay right my bad. Let's go to the last three weeks. ahrends one in two. In three weeks to touchdown passes an eighty two passer rating whereas everybody works immediately with Russell. Also Wilson you want me to now give him ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen weeks to make all these young receivers work okay. Do you realize Aaron. When Roger's this year his completion percentage of passes over ten yards is forty five percent? He didn't have one against San Francisco not one Russell. Wilson has the thirty first rated pass blogging offensive line and went into the teeth of San Francisco with less weapons and beat them. Aaron Rodgers off a bye game was over an eight minutes Aaron Rodgers I keep hearing about his offensive line. Aaron Rodgers under pressure this year has a passer rating of seventy five Russell Russell Wilson with a lower rate offense line as a passer rating of ninety four. Russell wins more. Aaron Rodgers has a career losing losing record on the road. Russell Wilson is sixteen and four in his last twenty in the eastern time zone in geographically isolated Seattle longer flight longer trip. Russell Wilson Winds more in a tougher division. He wins more close games in a tougher division. Listen he wins on the road. More a tougher division. Everybody works instantly with Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson doesn't need everything everything to be perfect. He's got a defensive coach who largely didn't acknowledge him for three years. As part of the winning it was marshawn Lynch. It was the great defense. It was just recently really put his arms around him. So Mike McCarthy was gonna solve everything right and let's give matlock fleur time. I watched Russell Wilson Against San Francisco single handedly with gadget wide receiver a rookie wide receiver brand new Josh Gordon. A pass blocking talking line. That can't block go to San Francisco and single handedly. Keep Seattle afloat and win the game. Aaron Rodgers off a bye week eleven. You know blown out eight minutes. It's all I'm saying. I don't think I'm a hater. I think Russell Wilson. Today's a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers. GERS and I don't even think it's close. I'm watching it week after week after week. Joy with the news no heard on the news. This is the headline news. Jerry's been a little critical of his coaches after the tough loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Slowing down no troy Aikman solve it firsthand firsthand from the broadcast booth and he thinks the cowboys issues run much deeper than just coaching. He said it's easy to say as an owner general manager as or as anyone else in the organization so it's coaching. It runs deeper than that. There have been a lot of coaches that have come to the organization and the results have been pretty familiar from one season to the next. I think just saying saying we have this great roster and it's all about coaching. It's a little bit of a cop out what's he saying. There's he blaming Jerry. I don't know but he basically said it's been consistent despite the changes that have been made internally so what is consistent now. I don't think that it's Jerry's fault. Paul Gerry runs a very functional very profitable very well run organizations somme draft as well as anybody they really do. They draft football players on the college. About as as well as anybody in the NFL. Here's the thing about the Dallas cowboys. They are America's team right and we're not going to say it's probably GonNa be infuriating to some people but they they don't have super bowl standards. They haven't been to the Super Bowl in a very long time decades in fact well they haven't been to the NFC championship since the mid nineties. Well this question was standards. Is they want to get there but he wants to get to a super bowl. I want to be a supermodel but I I really don't but like I mean. Everybody wants like incredible achievements. But what are you actually doing. Are you in that conversation like the cowboys haven't been in that conversation in a very long time as a recent with doc you feel like an having the the talent that they have that they should be in that conversation but the steelers the Patriots. Those are organizations that have super bowl expectations for the steelers. This year obviously doesn't look that way but every single year you go into steelers season they are supposed to be competing for a super bowl. The super bowl in a long time. So yes there are those expectations. But here's the issue with Jerry who I think is a great owner and obviously runs a very well run organization. Who are you going to get in there? That's going to have the power and controlling the ballot. Let check. That's not for the cowboys. That's that that In summation a very good point if you really have super bowl standards you have to give your organization Tation to a coach who calls all the shots. That's never going to happen. I know you're not GonNa get a coach who has super bowl level talents and in and coaching. Who's GonNa just submit to being publicly humiliated? That's that's fair. I think those those are fair points manager expectations based off of who you are. That's fair I will never be a supermodel. I'm okay with that right. I am just a knows a couple of years and fuller head of hair from being clooney. I've got some obstacles pickles but I'm just I'm working my way so we will be watching a super bowl preview in the forty niners in the Ravens plans Sunday in Baltimore. This this is going to be a great game but this is a strange. Even though the forty niners are heading one this season they are big underdogs in this and that lines moved it was four and a half half so I think it's now up to five and a half some six point favorite spots that has the ravens a six point favorite which makes San Francisco the first ten to one underdog in over a decade. Last time it happened was in two thousand seven game between the packers and the cowboys who were both ten one now the ravens have outscored opponents two two hundred and fifty to sixty two in the last five games playing the seahawks patriots. bengals Texans and rams so that's that's pretty decent especially considering the opponents that they've we've had their first in rushing two hundred and ten point five yards per game in the forty niners have the nineteenth ranked rushing defense. I like Baltimore allowing. Oh one hundred. Eleven point one yards per game so I do like Baltimore but six point turns a lot. Now it is in Baltimore. It's you know it's just Baltimore's one of those places. I just when I think of Baltimore Ideas. Think of tough and great at home. That's just a brand I have. They are toughs. That was the last finance asked team. Baltimore had and they are. That's why the Lamar really fits their culture. which is we're going to run right at Ya? We're GONNA be hyper aggressive on defense and you're not beating us at hall all know. Baltimore has always been that team and you're going to take whatever they what's remarkable Cleveland into Baltimore and kicked out of a member that was like two months ago. Cleveland went in there and just washed any given Sunday. I don't think that's going to happen the second time I agree. Finally Anthony Davis will return to New Orleans. Tonight's for the first time since being traded the Lakers this cup. He admits he does have some nerves about the environment. He'll be walking into but he's also very excited for this matchup go back. I'm going to have many motions and it's all because great six and a half years and then last have it was you know so it was just like take me you know. I got off the plane there. I think that's a that's a game of the year for for me. Yeah that's good. I've never been to to get by the way when I was there. So what's the big deal. They he is going to get cursor. Lebron said he's coaching eighty on what to expect and how to prepare for his old team. Obviously Veasley entered a hostile environment. When the Cleveland in the heat played thousand ten I I saw the San Antonio Watch the replay of it? The other night was on then. I watched about an hour of the Lakers ball. Movement for a bunch of new guys is so good day. That's why Lebron is averaging it looks like insist in the League right now. It looks like the Lakers offers offensively defensively their length but God offensively. They're just moved the ball really well. Having incredible chemistry all questions about whether Anthony Anthony Davis was gonNA work with Lebron. James have been shut down now. This is really the match up to the New Orleans matchup. We were kind of hoping for Lonzo's questionable. Obviously they still drives I on the New Orleans. I the Lakers are probably going to win. Big But your emotional night for eighty so it'll be interesting to watch joy with the news. Well that's that's the news. Heard thirty minutes from now. Our blazing five. We moved up to Wednesday. Greg Cosell's being moved up. It's very interesting thing I I have had trouble evaluating Dak.. I didn't like him out of college. I was very reluctant to I bought in and I like his intangibles although sometimes times. His tangible says Doug gottlieb onset aren't great. It's very interesting because I'm an upbringing. Nick right my buddy first things. First of either cower global satellite network network. Now now nick has been Not anti-debt but his is always questioned. His eyes are telling him he's not elite when you see the Lamar's and you see them a homes and you see the Russell Wilson's I gotTa give credit here. My staff dug this up this morning in the four games against winning teams playoff teams. This morning Dak is five touchdown. Six picks eighty-two passer rating and sixty one percent completion percentage so. I have struggled with back because we call him on the staff. He's the trust fund quarterback quarterback. He inherited a great old line. Great Weapons Zeke. So this morning. Where are you on deck nick? After that New England game name where he was off in the offense loaded with weapons couldn't do anything. I'M NOT GONNA kill him for the New England game because that is is even if aside from Gilmore doesn't have all time personnel. That is an all time passed defense that has made everyone. Except for Lamar look bad. And Lamar did most of his damage with his legs and back up until the New England game was having the best year of his career but my squeamishness with deck has less to do with this season at his play and more to do with the play of two of his classmates draft Wise Carson Wentz had an MVP he level season in two thousand seventeen. They paid him. They paid him earlier than they had to. And he has been awful this year and his team is not any good. Jared Gov didn't have an MVP level twenty eighteen but he had a very very good twenty eighteen. They paid him. They paid earlier than he has they add to he is the thirty second can rake passer in the league this year. And that team has no path forward Dak Prescott this year matches up to Winston Seventeen Golf in eighteen unless you believe he can be this every year. Then once you pay 'em you're only going to be able to compete at a high level when he is is this. This is the problem with paying anyone. That isn't russell or Rogers who I know you're low on or Mahomes when he does get paid. You can still compete for super bowls the years. They're really good. Kirk cousins is playing great this year. They Will Compete Matt Ryan the year won the MVP. They made it to the Super Bowl but moment your quarterback play drops off even just a bit cousins last year Matt Ryan the last couple of years. Your team has no path forward. That's the bucket. I would put in cousins Matt Ryan Cam Newton when he was healthy very good but flawed. When you pay those guys you really don't have as many paths to victory as you would like now? Tom Brady in that game. I thought I thought in terms of throwing the football and Tom's always been a very good lousy Housi- weather thrower the football is just. He is one of the best games I've ever seen him play within a snowstorm Chicago about four years ago and they blew out the bears. He had six drops. He didn't have his number two and number three receiver. The running game. This year has been very spotty. I thought Tom Actually played very well. The numbers don't indicate it but the numbers. Don't tell you how Great Russell so Wilson is and a lot of Sunday's he wins and you're like Blah you are not on the Brady shot fighter. I don't see it you do. Why are real real quick? I apologize during the seven. I gotTa pick let me pick up all those excuses you so you mentioned Asian Russell. Wilson doesn't look great. Well I mean yeah I mean he looks good enough to have a top three passer rating in the NFL this year. Brady's outside the top twenty Russell. So Wilson Looks Good enough to have twenty i. What is it twenty four touchdowns to five interceptions? Meanwhile Tom Brady. In the last month has sled three extended field touchdown drives I e the listen. This is the goat quotient that you get when you're the greatest greatest to ever do it. Even your failures are celebrated. I heard you say it right. There are good for in Troy. Aikman centered on the broadcast. Tom Brady Eighty gets applauded for incomplete passes. That's what makes them great knowing when to throw the ball away the great presence and things that otherwise for other quarterbacks exer called Oh he threw that late in behind him because it scrapes off his fingertips. Those are called drops for one Thomas. Edward Brady the third who I know. Who is your adopted son with that? Said I'm not out on the pats because I have seen this movie before in two thousand thirteen in Bayton manning was the league. MVP They went to the Super Bowl and lost in two thousand fourteen. He was very good but not as good in twenty fifteen he was shot fighter and they won on the Super Bowl. Thanks to a defense in two thousand seventeen. Tom Brady was a league. MVP They went to the Super Bowl and lost in two thousand. Eighteen was good but not as good in two thousand nineteen. He's a shot fighter but by the way not as not he's listened. He's not he's not what Peyton Peyton fifteen was awful Tom. Brady's not awful right now. He's just below average but the defense is sensational and where I will give him credit is this. He understands how good the defense is and he does not make the killer mistake yes. He does not give the ball to the other team he day. Here's a great game manager at this moment but everyone is waiting for Tom. Brady to activate the goat juice and all of a sudden drive. These everyone says to me. Would you want to see him down for two to minutes left. Wouldn't you be afraid and I say well last year he was down for two minutes left in the AFC championship game through a pick to lose the game. Now they got bailed out out any ends up driving the field. He's not even that good anymore. So I'm not worried about Brady Bill Belichick and that defense homefield advantage might be able to drag brady the across the finish line you know. I talked about Aaron Rodgers of the previous three weeks. I saw highly Murray whose way better than anybody thinks but nobody watches Arizona Football Games. I do because I like a social life on Sunday and Russell Wilson so I've seen cuyler twice in Russell in the last three weeks give. San Francisco's defensive. Line problems I I think the Mar- will do the same this weekend. Aaron Rodgers off a bye was done in eight minutes. Well the offensive line Russell. Wilson has the second worst offensive. It's of line pass blocking in the league. I know errands talented. But Mike McCarthy was the root of all problems Matla fluor wait until thanksgiving. Thanks giving. I'm at Thanksgiving Nick in Erin is just a in a league full of dynamic fascinating gifted talented young guys. He doesn't pop for me anymore. He's really talented. I'm over that part. I want more wins on the road. Isn't that at least fair. Listen I think that we might have Aaron. Might have missed his window to win his next Super Bowl now. I still think the packers hackers can make it to the super bowl this year but they have to avoid the niners that matchups not changing. Yeah they're going to need someone to beat up their bully for them. So they're going to need the bracket to fall tour. The niners up to San Francisco or Seattle again or is someone that can beat them. Because what we're seeing on tape right there that would repeat itself and your routine of Erin I think is fair to a degree this matchup. He did not do well he was not escape Schuyler. He didn't do as good of a job. Taking care of the football as Russell Wilson Russell through the one bad pig in overtime against the niners is still believe that Aaron Aaron Rodgers has one last. I don't want to say gasp but one last great run in him but much like we're Carmelo anthony and Camerin Aaron to Carmelo but follow me here. The Lebron has tricked us on what you're supposed to look like in year. Seventeen like D. Wade is out. Bosh is out C.. P. Three's on his way out in your fifteen dwight's on his way out in your sixteen mellows looking at his Buddy Lebron saying why can't that be me breezing and Brady might have tricked us into thinking. Oh these quarterbacks into late thirties are gonNA continue to be sensational well big bins elbow POPs. Eli I manning has been benched Philip rivers does not look good to me. a-rod that next group right after those guys so I don't know if we Brady Liam breeze might have the Lebron ageless gene while everyone else ages on a mere mortal rate. I worry that errands one of those guys. And if if that's the case that puts even more importance on this season and one last noted by May and this this is to your point you can take this for me after this. Let's pretend you you came. came up with it since Rogers been mortar-backed of the packers. Yes the niners have gone through nearly a dozen coaches. GM's quarterbacks right in that stretch the Green Bay packers have three first round byes the niners three first round byes Green Bay back. I'm sorry to first round byes and do I run by the Green Bay. Packers have been three. NFC Championship Games. The niners three. NFC Championship game appearances. They both went to one super bowl. Obviously Aaron run one on and captain. I say that to say this if you say's underachieved in a decade there when the niners of the same postseason resume with all their coaches all their quarterbacks rex all their front office offices. It's hard to argue against it out of time. It was a pleasure to see you a Thanksgiving with Fam- I imagine in New York for you. You're going to get cold weather you you're doing very well. We're very happy for you here even though you don't you know these segments I become a Pinata for you but you know what that's what you do to friends you allow friends to feel the and and I will be as as some some episodes employs. I will be tirelessly working on Thanksgiving before I spent on my family family you. I assume we'll be skiing so wonderful time. I'm not bitter at all enjoy it. I'll be up at three thirty in the morning tomorrow and Friday talking about the football but you oh enjoy the day college nick ride first things. First thanks buddy love talking to you as always on top of the hour our blazing five Joel class got thoughts on the College Football Playoff Bucky Brooks Greg. cosell Jason McIntyre tomorrow's headlines. Today was have fun coming up next the worst news in the world for the the NFL except for one team just terrible news. That's coming up before to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific and now a message from panerabread. Ask yourself was the last time you had a meal that was fresh and filling. PANEIRA's new warm grain bowls the full of flavorful ingredients like hardy keen wa Spicy Salsa Verde and creamy avocado full of flavors textures and colors full of good. So you'll be full of good to try new Baja or Mediterranean warmer grain bowl full of good now available for delivery every Panera food as it should be you know one of the amazing things about the New England patriots is that they've never this kind of a fascinating thing. had been a nine super bowls. They've never had a touchdown in the first quarter of any super bowl which is unbelievable. The best coach best preparation the best game plans. The best quarterback New England's never had a touchdown touchdown in the first quarter they feel out teams. What New England does better than any team in my life and I don't even think the people that Hate New England could dispute this the best adjustment team ever they feel you out in many big games? All the super bowls. It's just a feeling out going at half and in that thirteen thirteen minutes. They're able to fundamentally change the way they're playing Josh. mcdaniels is the offensive coordinator and he talked about those thirteen minutes. It's and the advantage of having a veteran quarterback and a seventy year old offensive line coach and a running back coach. That's been there forever. And Bella checks been there forever and he's been there forever. How much they can get done? Thirteen minutes at half into the tunnel. You usually walk with you. Know a couple of the guys on the field and you know they have a few things that they want to make sure that we get across right. We get into the locker room. They said give their attention. We discuss a couple of things anything that may be an issue That that's come up repeatedly in the first half that we need to address. We try to do that right away than anything that we need to adjust or anything we're going to Change or put in at halftime. You discuss a sad and then you want to try to make sure you let them know what we're GONNA try to start with in the third quarter as we go back out there so it happens quick but we have a veteran staff. The guys do a great job. Assistant assistant coaches do a great job of making sure that all the things that they want me to be aware of they have charted listed and ready to discuss and quickly jot them on the board right and then Give the message to the players and then go back out and play first half as a dress rehearsal we prepare. Watch it thirteen minutes. We changed fundamentally how we play now. That sounds sounds very simple but again nine super bowls no touchdowns in the first quarter. They always win the second half and Super Bowls and again you say Colin. Yeah I mean everybody. Does it their way it is. They do it. Stop blaming tripping. New England simply is better with the time they're given than your eighteen is with the time you're given Dallas made no adjustments at half time in that thirteen minutes James Harrison mostly with the steelers played with New England briefly. He said the overall attention to detail during after games before games is something he'd never even seen before and what I saw there as far as their attention the detail that is the most detail organization as far as their XS and OS planning that. I've ever seen they meet about meeting. You know what I'm San Dan. I'm I'm dead serious when I first got there. Obviously it was after Christmas. Whatever and I'm trying to learn the play looks I call him a coach? I'm like you know I'm having some questions about this certain defense and what I'm supposed to do and he's like well. Just just come on in we can. We can go over and look at it on the film autism like come where he's like come down to facility. I'm like you said that I work. He's like yeah. We all hear this nine thirty two o'clock at night. They do a better job with their time than you do work harder. Nobody cares another reference to Gucci Mane. Who I now just called Gucci Work Harder? Nobody cares this. Is You know it goes back to the TOM versus time. And by the way this is a season so the offense the the rams have have had an offensive line crisis and a running back crisis. They're six and five. Philadelphia's had a injury crisis an offensive line crisis. They're five and six New England has had both and they're ten and one they're left tackle. They just got him back. Isaiah win their center Pro Bowler out for the year. Kicker out for the year are pro. Bowler fullback when a two teams in the NFL that uses one out for the year their first round pick now. Last week finally played last week. They missed Muhammed's new Philip door. Your sat there two and three receivers biggest game of the year. Still one they had josh. Gordon let him go had ab let him go. They've had a forty two year old quarterback they've had an offensive line crisis. It's a wide receiver weapons crisis and their ten one only lost Baltimore. They just do a better job with time. I don't want to hear about the victimhood of your. Your left tackles hurt in Philadelphia or rams. We have a guard center guard issue. New England lost their pro bowl center. There fullback which they use wide receiver crisis all year left tackle crisis kicking prices. It's like remember the documentary. Tom Versus time. Like I tell my kids all the time no victimhood here like just just you get time in life sleep a little less sleep. A little less us work a little harder. Here's Tom versus time. The documentary Tom's off season. I watched all Tuesday the Saturday before the game film and on Sunday morning I watch a film. I don't know why I can sit here and watch it and you know process information quickly but I can running and lifting has been much harder order to develop than this. This is kind of been in me and I could literally like just watch film all day I go back to. It's one of the craziest things things about the Patriots. Best coach quarterback no first quarter touchdowns in the Super Bowl. They feel that about it. They just feel you out. They go in and and thirteen minutes. They change the way. They're playing then they go out play a Seattle they go out play in Atlanta. They go out play. It's you know I. It's funny about the Super Bowl. They could be nine to know like their losses. Have all been on the tip ball the last play the David tyree catch It's really remarkable. I just have a lot of respect. Do Better with your time. NFL and I don't want to hear about your offensive line crisis New England. I don't WanNa hear about your weapons crisis. New England had won all a year. I want to hear about your kicking crisis Chicago. They're on their third kicker. Be More prepared guys. Stop using your girlfriend or your wife Shampoo get your own. It's available global at Walmart Dove Men plus care designed to give your hair. The carrot needs to stay strong and more resilient all right hour two we got Joel. 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We got a blazing five in about two minutes. We have Greg Cosell L. Next Hour. Joel Klatt coming up on Wednesday bucky. Brooke stops by Jason McIntyre so we made it a star studded show today Nick Rights already been on It's great to have the the cowboys play tomorrow. We'll get to the cowboys about five ten minutes about my thoughts Jerry Jones talking this morning not only about the cowboys and Jason Garrett but he's talking about Dak Prescott very very interesting stuff joy. How are you? I'm great good morning. Everyone safe travels today. Save travels today by the way Vic Sonics Nasal spray works up twelve hours use as directed. It's cold season and so take that and don't sniffle over the Turkey all right here. We go. We've had twelve weeks all of our odds provided by Fox Bat. We've had twelve weeks. We've had nine winning being weeks of twelve. So that's the bottom line with Fox. Bet If you play along win money when I have a winning week so nine of twelve week. We've had a winning week and here we go. Let's blaze it up prior it's Collins Blazin. Forty niners at Ravens Baltimore minus five and a half if that line keeps moving up. I'm GonNa take the Ravens at home. Listen in their last three games against good teams Lamar Jackson. The League is playing. Catch up to this team offensively. This is a little bit cam a few years ago where the League didn't have an off season quite figuring out and they've gotten better they're five no against the spread. Forget winning they're blowing good teams out and San Francisco as good as they are has struggled against mobile quarterback Russell Wilson beat him tyler. Murray twice gave him trouble against the run the niners since week. Eight or only twenty seven. I think this could get ugly. I think San Francisco will keep it. Close the score will be deceiving. I'll take the ravens to win. Thirty one twenty. Four maybe a late touchdown by the niners so I think Baltimore controls most of this game and covers the spread redskins at Panther. I hate laying big numbers but I'm GonNa Take Carolina minus nine and a a half veteran head coach a lot of good players and they still have an outside shot at a wildcard. They are playing for something Washington's playing for nothing this. This is the worst offense. I think I've seen in five six years. They won last week and Dwayne Haskins completed forty four percent of his throat. They're a mess. Their last last in everything offensively. They've got nothing to play for. They allow a ton of sacks and the panthers are second in the League in Sacks Basically Carolina's line is a little bit of a less ferocious version of San Francisco Upfront defensively Baguette after Washington's in big trouble they don't have anything to play. Four lay the points panthers win easily. Thirty three to Twenty Eagles Dawkins again. I'll bet a number here. I really like the Miami Story. I think they're doing the best job. Tanking thanking you can do. They play very hard even against Cleveland. Last week they got down early. Played their butts off. It was never really competitive. But there's no quit. I'm going to take Miami plus nine and a half against a traveling Philadelphia. Philadelphia can't win at road on the at home they're not GonNa win on the road convincingly so it's a number. I'll take Miami plus nine and a half Philadelphia's Philadelphia's a broken team decimated by injuries the mechanics and the footwork if you go since week seven there near the bottom of everything offensively Philadelphia They're giving the ball away so it's not only they're struggling. They're sloppy the panelists Twenty giveaways this year and the dolphins by the way they got off to that horrific start. Baltimore was way better early. We should have noticed that. But Miami's not the same team in week one against the spread Miami's five and two in their last seven against aims to spread their back home. They're actually healthy. They've got a ton of fight. Philadelphia Wins. But I'M GONNA take. I'm taking the nine and a half with Miami the Rams Cardinals Arizona off a bye at home getting points a field goal. I think Arizona's going to win this game. I'm GonNa take them listen. Arizona had had fairly low expectations this year. A quarterback rookie played one year in college. Really one full year a rookie head coach. So their locker room despite their record. It's very positive right now. Amazon is exceeding expectations. The Rams Thought Super Bowl and as of Monday night. They're done with that. That locker room is not good. So what are are these teams playing for Arizona. This is a good locker room off by getting healthy after starting. The Rams are three and five football team and the cardinals since week five. This is what I like about them since week. Five Tyler Murray is getting better every single week since week. Five five he has ten. TD's one pick one hundred passer rating and their offensive line. which I hated coming into the season Arizona actually significantly now better than the rams offensive line which I liked coming into the season? The online at Arizona's the difference. I think they win. I think they're off a bye. I think it's better locker room today. twenty-seven twenty-six six cardinals raiders achieves I'm going to take the nine and a half One you know one of my rules joy good teams with good players playing for something after they get destroyed. It's my bounceback theory. Oakland still has a chance to make the playoffs a good chance. Oakland still a very good offense and they were humiliated against the jets gay. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA button that puppy up. They're going to give Kansas City everything they can handle this weekend. The chiefs defense has struggled in the last few weeks and I get one of the better offense in lines give brewed credit. They run the football. The offensive line's lines better and I listen. Kansas City's GonNa win this game. It's at home but that Kansas City defense. I don't trust them. I just don't trust custom sewing. Pick the raiders. Button it up. Go back to playing with the kind of spirit inefficiency they had for most of the year the chiefs win. I'll take the nine and a half points thirty twenty seven. Kansas City in an entertaining game built bounce back. The raiders are in the Group so here my picks folks. I like like the favored Ravens the favored panthers. I like my dogs Miami Arizona and my dog Oakland I tend to like underdogs. I like. Give me a quarterback back Tyler Murray. GimMe a quarterback like cuyler Murray and points he give me you give me Derek Carr and a lot of points. I kind of like that. So Jerry Jones was on on this morning he was on the NFL network. He was talking about Jason Garrett Jerry Had stuff to say still fuming and he was talking about You know they've paid everybody right like they're paying Jalen Smith early. They paid Zeke early two years early. They'RE GONNA pay Amari Cooper early and they haven't paid back back even though a couple of weeks ago was in the MVP conversation and Jerry said. I'm not cheap here. But you are. Hearing increasingly the franchise tag stuff meaning. They'd paid back. Instead of a four year contract. They would just pay him huge for one year. That's what Washington did for years and years with kirk cousins because they liked Kirk but they didn't want to get tied into a four year contract contract with Kirk cousins and there's a lot of speculation Jerry's going to franchise tag him which is a cow. Pay Twenty eight million dollars. I'll pay thirty million for a year but I still want to kick the tiresome awesome so jerry was talking about the money back and all that stuff this morning let me just say this I think all of us including the fans. I don't want to win a damn football game. Okay now no. We've got a lot of other things to think about. Who's coaching WHO's playing? WHO's compared to another player? Someplace else. Have about less wind. Some ballgames folks. We got other stuff. I'm I'm not known as the guy who uh-huh gets hand cramps when I'm writing checks at us. I love that quote. Here's the thing. Dak his own. Four against opponents with winning records occurred in those four games. He's completing sixty percent of his throws five six picks and a passer rating of eighty two. I've always struggled evaluating Dak.. I didn't like him out of college and I was even his his first year. Thirteen and three. I'm like I don't like what I see that I bought into him to a second year. I love his intangible. Sometimes I don't love his tangible he is. He is the trust fund kid of quarterbacks he inherited a great line. He inherits Zeke. Then they get Amari. They've got so many weapons it is top. And so I think what Jerry Sanger's Alpay and I'll pay early and I'm not cheap but you've got to win games. This year is Oh for four against the best teams. He's played and he's not not been good with all these great weapons. And that's why owners the franchise tag for players especially Ashley quarterbacks. You're trapped a team can just keep you but for owners. It does protect you because it is very hard to evaluate the quarterback position. It's the hardest thing to evaluate sports. You can tell. How many quarterbacks have Russell Wilson did? We ever think he'd be this good even after his first year did did anybody guests. cuyler Murray Lamar Jackson so when you have a position that's incredibly difficult to evaluate and is incredibly credibly. Important to a franchise the owners like give us the option to franchise tag whoo Pam when someone get tied in for four years and I think Dallas a team that drafts very well. The Scouting Department is excellent. I think it's better than New England's in terms of college scouting they're struggling with the same thing. I M you you are with attack is it. The line is at Dak is Zeke is at deck. Is it Amar in by the way I think even the coaching staff analysis having problems with identifying what they are you're in the coaching staff watches film. All the time has Zeke's team is at DAX team it. It seems like they lose confidence when they shouldn't and they have confidence in him in New England. When it should be Zeke? So this is why you create the franchise tag which is getting more steam with back. It's hard if you if you make a mistake quarterback you're buried goffin the rams right now are they toast for four years. I don't think so but penny people are speculating. That and it protects the owners that protects the coaches. It doesn't it's not that you're not paying the kid you're not giving him one one hundred fifty million you're giving him twenty eight for one year so interesting dots by Jerry win some Damn Games coming up. Joel Klatt his thoughts. It looks like to WHO. SEC teams are getting into the College Football Playoff L.. These guys like Joel Klein I think he wants eighteen playoff. I'm I wake up this morning and I'm like I don't even like the fourth team Alabama's fourteen. Potentially there are backup quarterback. I don't even know if they can beat Auburn this weekend. Joel Klatt coming up next. Be Sure to catch live editions. The heard weekdays at noon eastern not. Am Pacific on Fox. Sports radio address one and the iheartradio APP Theodore. Roosevelt explored uncharted Amazon territory paved the way for the Panama Canal well preserved millions of acres of treasured. US Land and won a Nobel Peace Prize. 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Jim harbaugh how about that tip of the cap to you and I well it. Listen I think we've we've all we have been accused of being Jim Harbaugh defenders at times. But they're playing better football I gotta say over the last eighteen quarters they're outscoring their opponents like one hundred eighty fifty two. Thanks they've been dominant. They have been dominant. They'd rather than thanks. Just say you're welcome America. You welcome America there you go a couple of guys here aren't bandwagon. Agan guys we stuck with Harbaugh you and I guys like Whitlock have been bailing on him forever. We kept saying Michigan with Mel went. Lock is like a hoke defender and there's defending yes six six and a half Winston nine and they're gonNA win ten if they win a bowl game all right so last night. The playoff committee Joel Class joining us. The Voice of College football wearing a sweater he likes almonds and sweaters. I kid you not boring I do. He likes what dynamic on the air. So what did the playoff rankings came out last night my theory on this whole thing from week one. I've been saying they just want to. SEC teams in. which I don't I have a problem with? It is the best conference. So what do you make of that. Ohio state one interesting. I actually got a different feeling. I got the feeling like it's not happening for Bama. Oh that's what that's what that's what I saw there. I think that they're waiting for that. Thirteenth Data Points for Utah. If they can get a championship game I think that they're going to jump Utah over Alabama. Okay I think they're telling us that with with Georgia's body of work if they beat. Lsu both of those teams will go but if if Lsu Beats Georgia. I think Utah would be the next team in there. So what basically you're saying you're probably right on this. You're saying they're saying this morning if they played we take Bama but we're going to punish him for not getting into their conference championship. Show I that's correct and the resumes by the way. The resumes between Bama in Utah are both very thin very thin. Read the resume. That's GonNa look better better on paper is oh you to win out Oklahoma state and Baylor and Baylor in the big twelve championship game. But I think that they're setting things up with how Utah has played the way that they look on defense and particularly you know they've won seven straight games by twenty nine or more point. Yeah no Utah's a real team. Yeah it's a real team in by the way Utah now Bama's of different program Utah years ago into the sugar liberal and knocked Bama Alley. Remember that did Utah's always played great special teams. They run the football they got. NFL guys all over their defensive lineman. They're story when urban was there twenty years ago they've got five or six. NFL guys on their defense. That's one of the best defences in America. No one season plays because they play at like midnight and everyone goes to bed but rest assured Utah. Utah is the real deal in tyler. Huntley their quarterback is going to get a few heisman trophy votes. That might surprise some people but he's played well as well. Okay so it's been a lot of talk about a a eighteen playoff in my thing is clamoring and I'm always like college. Football's always had one thing more than any sport urgency even in the NFL. You can stink in September. That's right in college football. You Stink in September. I'm not going in October. I don't if you had an eight team playoff. I don't even like the number four team right now. We're arguing about Alabama and Georgia. Cancel the ball over the top. Georgia got boat race home by a bad South Carolina today so now they got beat at home so might my takeaway is. I'm not an eighteen playoff guy most years. Okay so let let me tell you what will happen. Here's the sequence of events of what happens if they expand the playoff to eight. Here's what happens happens. Is that the the conferences in particular the power five conferences who owned the playoff by the way the NCAA does not on the planet the conferences on the playoffs so they will demand an automatic bid. The Chad eight or in they're going to be in which means that automatically nullifies any importance of a non conference game zero zero and yet this sport I think is the most unique because of its importance in the regular season. You call urgency. I agree one hundred percent with you. I think that you you reduce the urgency of the regular season season which is the most important factor for the sport in large part Wyatt's number two in our country as far as operating popularity and I don't want to devalue value and rare season in college football. The other thing that you have is your arguing between more and more flawed resumes. The eighth team. I'm arguing over two. Who losses like Penn State's nine and two they played really good teams? Lost them both and Michigan. If they'd played another eight minutes may have beaten him. So I mean another thirty seconds so you never know. So I'm completely with you on this. And you're going to get more teams that are argument Florida's going to be like well. What about US and Baylor? What about everybody's going to have their a hand up and I think that you create you create more you create more of an argument over teams? That are more and more flawed and what ends ends up having as well. Let's just do twelve to fourteen. Sixteen is just going to continue to grow and grow and grow and I don't think that that's good for the sport you'll class joining us. The Voice of College football. He does a terrific job. We disagree a lot. We'll disagree on this a lot of talk about Ohio states. One of the best team ever. I do think it's the Best Ohio state team potentially I've seen. I'm not sure I. I don't consider the best team ever the best team I've ever seen. Plas on play live was the nineteen ninety five Nebraska cornhuskers Tommie Frazier Lawrence Phillips. Yep Dad some chemical stuff going on because they had guys running way too fast for their size and they destroyed Steve Spurrier Florida gators. I mean literally grabbed him and threw him into trash cans. Dan Yeah I was there live. It was embarrassing. It was so that's the best team so they're good. Okay so so give me your. Do you think Ohio states one of the Best S. teams ever. I don't think you can even come close to saying that. Okay until the end of the he's not potentially could they get their yes. I think this team specifically we could potentially get to that level if they were to run the table and go fifteen and national whack. Lsu because remember it depends a lot to be historically considered one of the best teams of all time you gotta have played great opponents. You can't just be like well. We want a lot of well. It's like everyone wins a lot of games in college football you gotta you gotTa beat Really Quality Polity opponents you've got to dominate in those games. It's GonNa matter how many guys are drafted off of that. Yes which is why a lot of people say two thousand one Miami could be oh teams ever. They had seventeen. Nineteen first round draft picks on that alone thirty eight drafted player thirty eight drafted players on that roster. Seventeen of the most talented team I've ever seen Nebraska Scan mid-nineties is the best team. I would also put up if I was going to say like who. Who are your top five? I'd have no ninety five Nebraska in there I would have a one my okay. So here's my ranking number five will be ninety five Nebraska. Last year's Clemson team was incredible including knocking off. Bama we big deal a day were very good seventy-one Nebraska remembers them. They beat the number two three and four team in the country that year which was Oklahoma Colorado and there was one of the Little Bogan. I didn't even wear shoes back then. They were great. Oh one Miami and then guys I might be a little bias on this two thousand five Texas who thousand five Texas. The Vince Young Young Texas team. WHO BEAT USC ended? USA's winning streak. I mean that was a great. I think Vince young was the best player I've ever seen on a football. Oh feel he's twice. This is one of the reasons I have them number one. You've played twice. They put me in the hospital. You know why have them because things like this. Yeah that's me throw an interception uh-huh throw by you. I mean the corner was opened the NCAA top ten draft pick. This is right here and lights. Oh aw they knock you out. Yeah I'm unconscious there. Oh why are we putting up this. Because we're not talking about this. Miami seem on the John. Have you ever seen Vince. Young's high school tape. Oh God he's the great. I'm not kidding you. I like recruiting Vince. Young Highschool tape. He's the greatest high school player of all time. It looks imperiously playing against nine year old building. I I love these types of discussions but when you bring it back to this year Ohio state is going to have a chance. Think about it. I mean they. They have now beaten ten of their eleven opponents by twenty four or more points. They just took a top ten team. Turn the ball over three times. A seventeen point swing turnovers and still beat them by double digits. They're going to have a chance to win the big ten and go ten in. Oh in big ten play nine in the regular season one in the conference championship games. It'll be the first time ever if they're able to do it in a team gets that done teno in conference play they could play. Lsu they could play Clemson. If this Ohio housed eight team goes fifteen wins national championship. They will be a top five all time college football team. Think the draft picks they have. They're going to have what I think is potentially the heisman trophy winner on Defense Chase Young. We're going to have a top ten pick at Corner and Jeff Okuda great running back and J Dobbins he'll be a top two round pick. There's draft picks littered littered all over this roster by just complete team in the country Chesterfield to go number two next year the following year. Twenty one twenty one. She's young so good he's he's pretty good. Hey did you hear me call said Superman and the avengers did you. Somebody said you guys were upset. Man I tell you the nerds in the nursery. Were upset because you made as so you've made that you made a when I did and sweaters so superhero referencing. You're wrong or wrong. That's right. I said Oh this is like superman in the avengers. Apparently apparently they've never teamed up although I have is. DC and vendors is marvel. Which I've I've learned since yes but there was like in the early two thousands there? There was like a one allegiance that they had where they actually showed up together. Not that I was referencing that because I wouldn't have that mine anyways but if you listen. I'm stubborn guy. You join you and calling you guys. I'm turning into this one like like right into the headwind. I will say it again in the first quarter no doubt in my mind superman and the avengers coming out again again on the joy turn right into it. There's a headache tun into own it. Own Your mistake I wanna make sure my son WanNa only get a superman shirt and put it on extra ear face nerd. Yes yeah. My son loves adventures. Oh my I've seen them all with him who doesn't Oh thanos and Robert Downey I saw a couple of them. I haven't seen all very good very very good. I haven't seen all of them. There's a lot there's a lot. There's got to be a lot right because of course. Good luck on the big game this weekend. You Bet that'd be good for you and then good luck to me on twitter twitter afterwards comic by the way Walmart get your own shampooed man plus care. Stop barring girlfriends. That's Joel Klatt Joy Taylor with we do know on the news. This is the headline news. All right well motions will be high when the Browns traveled to Pittsburgh Sunday for their the second match up with the steelers but Freddie Kitchens does not want to seem to be a part of any more distractions Lord I want him to go in this game with one thing and one thing only in on their minds as to do their job. In anything and Overshadows bat anyway is not acceptable. And it's not the best the thing you guys. They show up ready to do their job. All that other stuff is just fluff. I is just fluff just to give people things to talk about leading up to Sunday and then at at some point on Sunday around one o'clock we're GONNA kick the ball and then that's when it's you know it's going to be for real then at that point and that's when I want them to be at their best. He said that though because he's right. This is a game where you could very easily get into your emotions and get off your game and start doing things. Outside of your character. Things Senator and overall not in the best interest of the team just because this is they're seeing each other again for the first time since the since the incident on Thursday night. Bob Because he's right. I think Cleveland has figured out Their identity on offense a little bit like I watched him last week. Is there a running football ball team. They played Baker on play action. I think his accuracy he went through. I mean let's. LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT CLEVELAND. They weren't very good against the best teams in the best coaches. They looked very good at home. I'm against bad teams. So that's this. This Cleveland seasons very predictable. I predicted nine seven. I think they're GONNA end up. Eight eight nine nine and seven. I think they'll get smoked by Baltimore When they host them I think Arizona's going to beat him as well but the I will say this a I think they found a little bit of an offensive identity? Now that's easier when you play crappy b-teams Baltimore they may be trailing to abandon the run but I I think they'll I think they'll win in Pittsburgh this week. It's funny. The lines like to favored heard by two and a half Yup guys in Vegas. I'm told like the steelers so I stayed away from it but the the Vegas guys like Pittsburgh I also like Pittsburgh Rudolph. Rudolf will not be playing. Well he stinks. Yeah Hodges starting. When Tom was asked why heartless? We're starting over Rudolph. Tom Responded He's not killed us. It sounds like off of Rudolf right now but yeah so the their home dogs which is for the first time since the eighty eight eighty nine so I- it'll it'll be an interesting game to watch because of the emotions of it but I still like Pittsburgh Bergh wiseguys Vegas sharps like Pittsburgh. I just stayed away. I don't like Pittsburgh. Yeah well Lamar Jackson breaking all kinds of records this season and he just got another one when when madden updates their ratings tomorrow Lamar we'll get a speed rating of ninety six. which is the highest I quarterback in the NFL history? It was previously held by Michael Vick. Who held the record at ninety five? And he gave a shout-out Lamar as well as some custom cleats after the news. Ninety six speed. CONGRATULATIONS TO LAMONT CLEVELAND. Good courtesy to see. Mikey honor and privilege to be in this position to bid has something off to the next generation. That means a lot I know myself. I mean Lina lots of hemp. This'll be legendary this quote right here. Whoever said Lamar now to eating those words Not Bad for a running back or records records the made to be broken in next generation. I suppose to be better than US and got to give credit. Where credit's due? I say it's your turn now. I liked that that is very nice And he's right. You know you should be proud of the next generation coming up and he. He is breaking a lot of records and having an incredible season a- and he's constantly being compared to my colleague yet. It's really funny. There's a group of people out there in the media that keep saying it's it's why did he drop so far. Why Lamar was draft in the first round and you have to remember usually in the first round twenty three of the thirty two teams? Don't meet a corvee folks. Dan Marino dropped Aaron Rodgers drop. He's a different player the League frankly can't figure him out so what I was saying yesterday like it's not it's not a situation where he's necessarily thoroughly In underdog I mean. He's a heisman trophy winner. It just like like you said. Everybody doesn't need a quarterback Lau. He obviously should have higher. Now oh I mean we'll call. Tom Brady sixth-round Russell third round. So but I think what Lamar is and I think this is why the NFL ratings are up this year. And I really believe this this. He's a great story and the NFL's always been the sport we watch we watch the Games. NBA The numbers. Tell you don't watch lot. The stories are great. Lamar is a great story. cuyler Murray. Nobody's watching the great story. Patrick Mahomes last year was a great story. Dax a controversial story story Lamar beyond the quarterback. It's a fascinating plot twist we're going to play quarterback we're going to go back to the Michael Vick accept the team. Atlanta didn't do with VIC is going to go all in on this style and I think the League struggling to figure out how the hell to stop it right in the middle of the season. Well that's really what it what it comes down to. Michael Vick was a phenomenon. And we're seeing that at and as Michael admitted on on another level and he's in a situation nation where obviously you know he was a high trophy winner to go in the first round but he did fall and you know you have the image of him and his mom at the draft just waiting to be called and nobody believed in him. I'm last year and people were discussing whether you could even play the position so he does have that feeling of like not only is he proving everybody wrong. WHO's out at him? But he's taking the position addition and revolutionizing it being the original revolutionize records the only has one hundred sixty four more yards to go to break Michael's record finally reports suffered this certain surface this week that the NBA was considering significant changes to both the regular season and the postseason and one of those changes could be an in season tournaments admits. I don't know how that would work. Well basically the tournament would consist of a group stage before six division winners and sue wildcards advanced to a bracket style tournament format It's supposed to be around Thanksgiving counter. College tournaments it has no implications towards the post season only monetary awards teams advance and. It's reportedly an attempt to combat the ratings but James Harden is not a fan some talked about instituting and in-season l. Do you think that you're not mean anything to play a tournament to single women issue tournament in December coach. The J. Tucker is also not a fannies that you played for an NBA championship. I don't WanNa play for anything else period. I don't like this idea either especially because it doesn't mean anything like you're not as implications towards the postseason I you know the. NBA's always been a sport where we really start watching it. Second round of the playoffs is when people come. I'm in one of the things joy I always thought you should started The Wednesday after Thanksgiving because by the Wednesday after Thanksgiving about half the NFL cities cities. And like you go to Philadelphia the season starts. I'm into the sixers. The Eagles if they lose this weekend out. I think when you start in October you just just get overwhelmed by. NFL and college football. I think if you cut the games down at creates more urgency right. The load management goes away mostly the optics. And and by the way you you you can do back to backs you you move it into July. The if they were going to shorten it the tournament was supposed to make up for the loss us in revenue but the tournament. Thing just doesn't work but I'm with you. I think that now in this is kind of probably issue the NBA's running into is that there's such A. There's there's such a demand for attention for viewers streaming. There's the Internet like YouTube. There's so many different ways that people can consume content so you have to find ways to bring urgency to it. That's right a joy with the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard. I saw this headline today. Aw the NFL network has having their top one hundred all time team. NFL films has produced six part series. They're going to release the running backs and the quarterback ax later. And all that stuff and I'm not going to that but So Bill Belichick was kind of part of the panel and Bella check said the process of selecting the one hundred. The best coaches ever quote made me a better coach. 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Plus Tangible C. Minus M. I. Unfair you you are. You are unfair because I think what has happened with. Dak Prescott his Dak Prescott unlike most quarterbacks. He's just each and every week is he's a franchise quarterback he's not a franchise franchise quarterback he can do it. He can't do it early in the season everyone was coming in saying. This is Zeke. Elliott Team Ezekiel. Elliot's a guy that is the driving force of the office right this year. Dak Prescott has been there. He is merged has been a dominant player. WHO's leading the league in passing yards? He has played will by any metric. Have we measure quarterbacks. He's a franchise quarterback it becomes two wins. He ranks only behind. Tom Brady says he entered the league. If it comes to passing euros individual status the issue the passing leader. I don't know what debt can and do to make people realize not how good of a player go for four against the best team okay. So here's what happens in when you're playing really good teams. That's why coaching matters. So when you playing really really good teams and the playing field is level. That's when you need your coach to give you the advantage. So we heard Jerry Jones very upset and angry after the game where he saw the Patriots. Knock off the Dallas cowboys because in their game. It wasn't a Dak Prescott issue. There was a coaching issue. Doing the Patriots are on the details. They pay attention to details. They win gays because they know how not to lose games. Meaning they don't turn the ball all over they don't give you silly penalties and actually yardage they win the special teams kicking game. The Dallas Cowboys lost that game because in the kicking game they didn't pay attention. Blocked punt gave up hidden yardage head. PENALTIES BURNED TOM timeouts. That's not a deck Prescott issue that's Jason Garrett issue. I've been critical Aaron Rodgers. A Nice said you know all the issues. We're going to be solved with Mike McCarthy. Okay he's gone. Let's wait 'til Thanksgiving for Matt. leflore Aaron Rodgers now in the last three games is one one and two with two touchdown passes his passer rating is very low. I think he's regressing. I don't sense the it may be. It's the collarbone surgeries. He's got a star running back. He's got a star receiver. He's got a very talented tight end. He got that progressive. Smart coach I saw kind of Marine Russell Wilson Give San Francisco trouble off a bye. That game was over an eight minutes. Somebody that's on Erin it is on and I think he has always gotten a pass like because we've always made excuses about what he doesn't have he doesn't have play makers because he doesn't have a running game The coach doesn't call the right place for them. The defense doesn't get it done. I'm reaches them stats. Says twenty seventeen in November in December Aaron Rogers four nine he averages two hundred and twenty six passing yards per game but his passer rating is below ninety. Eighty nine point nine. So when I'm saying the franchise quarterback a guy who I've been. I've heard hailed as the greatest passer of all time if he can't deliver when it matters down the stretch riches when it matters. November December is money time. Aaron Rodgers hasn't been money. He hasn't been Klutz the last three years away. I think an unbelievable number I I I think join. I talked about this Saturday. It's one of those oil. What here's a losing road record in his career? That is stunning to me. He has elude the the best road quarterback in the NFL in the last twenty eastern time zone games. Russell Wilson Sixty four Here's the thirty first ranked doc pass blocking line offense in and he goes to San Francisco and beats the best defensive line in the sport. Russell to me is a better quarterback today than he's aging better than Aaron Rodgers. Absolutely I I think I think this is what has happened. The narrative has been that. We're beginning to expect quarterbacks to play twenty years because we've been spoiled by drew brees and to make right says that was never the case. You got a decade of strong quarterback play. That's more than enough which kind of speaks to the argument when people are worried about the athletic quarterback in the mobile quarterback back ten years is what you expect to get from a franchise quarterback Arron Rogers thirty five thirty six. When you get older they hits hurt a little more? You lose some of the steam on the ball. We've talked about the passing yours over ten yours today. Agassi is down. You think you've pointed out that it is forty five percent. Completion percentage over ten yards. He's not as accurate as he used to be. He's not as accurate as used to be. He's a different player. So what has to happen. A couple of things one when he gets older to supporting cast has to do more for meaning. mellifluous has to lean on the running game. More the playmakers around him they have to step up and be guys that can take short passes and make him in the big games as a quarterback it gets older. He needs the rest of the pieces of the puzzle to do. More is not a knock to Aaron Rodgers. This is what every quarterback needs to supporting cast has to help him By the way drew brees has his best defense in a long time. Drew brees has a running game great possession receiver in an offensive. Line that underrated. Finally Tom Brady and NFL. EXAC throws anonymous. You ever know that the NFL EXAC says Brady quote is still deadly when he needs to be by it no. I don't buy you know Tom Brady is because you're a boxing fan. I Love Boxing Tom. Brady's Mike Tyson but he's not Mike Tyson at the beginning of his career. He's Mike Tyson before he played Lennox Lewis and and the reason why is because he is more mystique than magic now. Tom Brady can still throw a haymaker. Occasionally but the days of Tom Brady carrying this team to the postseason carrying this team to the Super Bowl. They're over so the first three games of the year. Tom Brady was outstanding completed. Sixty seven percent of his passes seven zero touchdown to interception ratio. Pass Radio One sixteen in the last eight games. He's only completing six percent of his passes. Eight to five touchdown to interception reception ratio and a passer rating under eight. Well no no. No no no no. He is a bottom third quarterback right now on the number eight look look we can talk about a supporting cast. We can talk about the running game and all of these things right now at his best Tom. Brady's game manager they are winning because of their special shoot teams and their defense and as long as they stick to the recipe. They can win but if this becomes a team that has to number twelve. He's not going to be able to get it done. Yeah pry right right. I'm right on this one. I'm right on this one. I think I'm right on the Aaron Rodgers. One might be too together right right. This great by the way I'll go back and say it again. Russell Wilson's I said it to start the show the most underrated player in the NFL. In my lifetime. And I'm not and I really believe that I mean he. He is underrated and I think the reason why he has been underrated because very early on and I believe Russell Wilson's career Mir's Tom Brady. And this aspect early in the career. Russell Wilson had the running game with marshawn Lynch and Medina Dominant Defense Legendary coach gray coats and Pete Carroll. Tom Brady had the same thing with Bela check. They ran the ball. They Lean on defense. He grew from game manager to franchise player. What we've seen in the last three or four years? Russell Wilson is a franchise plov able to do it. When marshawn Lynch out? They had to do it differently but he is being able to elevate continue to keep the seahawks first eight seasons. They've never had a losing. Like I just think about. That is one thing to talk about winning. Deranged there's another thing to always be tournament. This is a big thing is greatest cameras. He's never had back to back winning seasons to consistency. Russell Wilson High School one. NC State one Wisconsin once Seattle one and the other thing about Russell. He's in every game. They almost Aaron Rodgers. Got Blown out again last week. Off A bye Russell's traveling to a different time zone. He's in Yemen. This week. They live Seattle's out by Alaska Oscar to twelve hour plane ride and he goes to fillion wins. Our three Greg Cosell next be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific it back on Fox sports radio one and the iheartradio APP. Kick your Thanksgiving morning off on Fox Khalil Mack and the bears take on the lion's a an NFC north division battle all starts with a special two hour pregame show live from New York beginning at ten thirty am eastern seven thirty Pacific on Fox. This and the Fox sports APP now. Let's talk super six Thanksgiving one of the questions for tomorrow's bears. Lions game is which team will win. By how many points pollen. I'd probably go bears twenty four twenty you to look at these teams what to do well. Chicago's good defense. So I would take when I get two teams. I don't like is there anything. One of them does really really well. By the way Detroit's lousy three six and one and one possession game so they're not good late games. I'll take Chicago by the way Tommy. John is having their best black Friday sale ever for my listeners. Twenty five percent off sitewide Tommy John Dot com code word and with that we usually have him on Thursdays. But we don't have a Thursday show tomorrow and I think if you're if you bet football if your fantasy football fan or just love football and what kind of a meat sandwich the little bits and pieces of film study of Greg Cosell forty years at NFL. Films Somebody I rely on for the draft I rely on for a lot of insight and Greg Cosell joining us greg. How are you pre-thanksgiving? How are you doing great? Hope you have a great Thanksgiving tomorrow. Thank you very much. So we watched Dallas Listen New England one of my questions with Dallas all year has been what is their offense of identity. When you watch film what do you think they eysenck their offensive identity? Is I think they're struggling right now as Germany whether their offense still runs through Ezekiel Elliott. Or whether are they believe that they can transition into a little bit more of a passing team given the fact that there are three receivers are among the top. Two three receiving trios in the NFL The other issue. I think they're struggling with that. Plays into. This is the fact that for the most part over the last three or four weeks. They've not run the ball as efficiently as they had earlier earlier in the season. So I think they're. They're struggling with exactly what their identity is. They had a really difficult time with New England. When you play New England Colin you have to be able to defeat man coverage you can do that with scheme or you can do that by finding your best individual mashups they really couldn't do either and Prescott had a bad add game? He in a game like that. You don't get a lot of throws and when you do get those throws you have to make them and he missed them and and therefore they really struggled to move football now. They'll play Buffalo. We know that I. I've said this. The bills play defense. I like their staff. Do they have a low ceiling with Josh Allen but I go oh back to his last six games eleven pick he was wild and radical in college. He's certainly not erratic is he was in college. Ah I imagine the tapes. Pretty complimentary to Josh Allen a yes or no I think that Alan still at times a scattershot and can be very erratic with his ball placement. He had an interception exception this week in which that was the case he's less prone to be reckless and make those undisciplined plays that we used to see But we don't know how we'll be in a tough tough game like this on the road. Obviously the the toughest game he's had this year theoretically was against New England and he the Iraq element to play and the interception showed up in that that game but the big thing that stood out from this past week and it won't happen every week but he had missed a ton of open deep balls this year and that's been a problem with him him and he hit one this week. Now you're not gonna hit four or five of those a game but you do get a couple of opportunities like that every week and if he can hit those that changes their offense but he's still a little radic and he runs less which is a good thing but when he does run he's very effective. I had watched cuyler Murray two times in Russell. So Wilson once give San Francisco's defensive. Line a little pause Aaron Rodgers off a bye. That game was over an eight minutes. Aaron Aaron did not complete a Passover ten yards correct. He is completing forty five percent of his throws this year over ten yards now again collarbone surgeries. Maybe it's not leflore. Obviously the offensive line. I think we've discussed isn't as good. But when you watch the San Francisco game it was like one of those early Tyson fights lights. It's just over what. What was it primarily that you saw on film? Well I think the forty niners did some things a little bit differently in this game name. I thought they really featured disguise and late movement to get to their zone coverage concepts and again. It's not a matter of fooling a quarterback you don't go into a game saying hey we're gonNA fool Aaron Rodgers and that's the foundation of our game plan but there's a couple of times and every game depending on the down and distance depending on field position. Where if you show one thing and then get to something else? You can in a sense. Fool the quarterback that happened a couple of times in that game plus plus I think their offense is has not been consistent enough running the ball in recent weeks even though I love their backs and and they have not used Jones in the pass. It's game over the last three four weeks away. They were earlier in the year. And I think that's something. They have to reassess Aaron Jones a very good receiver can be detached from the formation mation. And they've not been throwing the football and using him that way over the last three or four games and I think that has really hurt. They're often they don't match up terribly well against it's physical defensive fronts. Philadelphia gave him problems. A San Francisco gives them problems You know it it's you don't WanNa have an identity where people people say okay. This is what they don't do well and it feels like with Green Bay you attack them upfront. They just don't they fold a little bit. They don't feel like the same team. Is that fair. Well a lot of teams are doing now and it's not just the niners of the Eagles but a lot of teams it's become part of the League is they're lining up with fronts almost dictate one on one blocking and pass ask protection across the board and if you have a weakness in your pass protection and the packers to me based on film study are not quite as good upfront. I think a lot of people think they they are I think then individual players can be exploited and I think that that's come to bite them at times I've always felt. I want to talk about the saints because in the last couple of weeks there's a little pause with the saints and they lose to Atlanta but I've always felt it is tough playing the same teams over and over in your division. And if you play Matt Ryan enough enough. He's GonNa beat you occasionally if you if you play Cam enough. He's going to beat you. And and so when I when I watch a Carolina give the saints real trouble. I'm like well Ron Rivera. No Sean Payton about as well as anybody in the League so I always look at divisional games. A little differently sometimes Arizona for years is just gave the Legion of doom. Russell Wilson. Carol Fete because they'd seen every trick in the book Pete Carroll had so I still think the saints are really good as I have my doubts with Green Bay in Dallas. What's the film say on the saints? Today well I think the saints are very good for a number of reasons. I think they're really well. Well schemed offensively. Because the reality is they don't have a ton of weapons on the perimeter although they do have dimensions that I think that's an important point you know Ted Gins not in eighty catch catch guy but ted kin can still run by people and you see that every week. Even if he's not catching a fifty yard touchdown every week. That's a dimension that they do have and even Smith Smith. He can run a little bit too now. Cook has been coming on in the last number of weeks. And they've been using him much more and he's one of those tight ends who can line up all over the formation and he can cause matchup problems. Eric Reed Safety for the Pants Panthers this week a couple of times and read set a good year at safety and they've got a very good run game you the numbers might not suggest it for. They can line up and run the ball and they play a lot with six offensive linemen and and that's something that a lot of teams do they had two big runs this week at six line personnel personnel. I want to shift of the rams Monday night. I WanNa Talk Rams then. I'll talk ravens. Listen New England had an offensive line crisis this this year the ten in one year rams have offensive line crisis there unwatchable Is it golf now. Golf can't play He's terrible in. I'm watched them against Mahomes uh-huh couple of years ago on Monday night and I'm like you play to me primarily one or two things this is why goffin the rams are a mess. Offensively what would those two do things be. I would say two things number one. They're offensive line hasn't been a bit of a mess and number two. They're total inability to run the football with any kind of consistency and that's made Goff Who who to me is a good thrower but not necessarily a high level talent I think that's rendered ineffective for the most part because I think goth is for one of a better term system player who needs the pieces to work. I think when the run games effective and the old line is effective and they can do what they ideally want to do which is expand defenses horizontally and stretch them vertically and throw it open spaces in the middle of the field when they can do that had their effective but if they can't run the ball and they're all line struggles to protect God is it. He does not very good muddied too noisy pockets thrower our fair okay. So let's switch to Baltimore. Feels like the League is is playing catch up in the middle of a season like like when they first introduced the wildcat and for about six weeks. Nobody could quite figure it out a Baltimore. I mean this this again is there against good teams teams Lamar's completing seventy three percent of throws. That's against good defense right now. Maybe maybe that's a muted a little bit this week against San Francisco but it does feel like Greg Romans done it again. He did it with campaigning. There's some guessing going on here. Eric Weddell said this week. I couldn't tell who had the ball. You GotTa Blown Away by Baltimore on Monday. Yeah well I think they're. They're so well schemed and right now. Teams are having a difficult time figuring out the scheme and the explosiveness of Jackson as a movement movement player. I think probably catches teams by surprise. You can watch that on tape calling and my guess is when you see it in person it's a whole nother. Yeah I mean he's just okay. He's as explosive in athlete. We've ever seen at the position. And the scheme presents very defined reads and very defined throws for Jackson and and he's making those throws now he's dropping in a few really good ones as well but you watch their tape and receivers are open. It's really schemed. It's a very difficult defense to defend. Hey I don't get me wrong. I'm not smart enough. I don't have the answer to this. So don't ask me what should you do. I'm not that smart but It's it's so beautifully schemed. I think it might take an off season for teams to get a much better field how to defend this and that it generally we do in the NFL but it does feel like the league's playing catch up. Their receivers are often wide open. So let's go you know it's funny i. I've said this for years I think Russell Wilson's one of the most under appreciated Shit not not now but was for years not anymore. He's a great player. But I hear a lot of these. I always lean on you with this and I think it's important for audience. You come to me in the off season a year before everybody else you come to me and say. Here's the receivers backs quarterbacks. I looked at and you do this. Well in advance of the football season. You'll do it in the summer when we talk. I here too and I see ought to is Russell Wilson and give me your thoughts on this because I I see some components of it but he does get hurt and Russell never gets hit your thoughts on. Well maybe you and I disagree on this. But I don't really see him. That's very much like Russell. Wilson at all I think that to to me and again. Let's let's just watch the tape and just so people understand this past off season. Not counting what he's done up in this season but last season I watched one two three four five. I Watch six games all Jerry Judy's past targets and all of Henry Rugs Pass targets targets obviously to was throwing the ball so I probably watched two hundred fifty to three hundredth rose by two from his season before. I don't see Liam's Russell Wilson at all in fact if he were to become a great pro I see him ending up being more like a drew brees. I think he's a rhythmic timing player. I I think that's what his game is. Yes he can move and by the way breeze could move in his youth. More than people can remember before But he's not he's not Russell so Wilson to me at all. I think he's an executioner of A. Well schemed passing game with good timing. Plus Ball placement can make second reaction play play at times. But he's a very programmed player to me and I think that he would end up being much more. Like a drew brees than Russell Wilson. I like that. That's I like that a lot. That's interesting stuff so I think we're done forty years and believe it at forty years. I started when I was five. Can you. That isn't a long time to I've lived in. I've lived in all four corners of the country. I pay taxes in nine states forty years. You close your eyes and drive to work you you. You know the exit. You don't even have to watch when you drive to Work Greg. You say that sometimes that happens I get to my office and I'm thinking like how did I get here. I wasn't even thinking about it. The Greg have a great Thanksgiving you too. I really appreciate it. Thank you all right. Here is joy Taylor with the news. No word on the new at this is the headline news. Tech is a member of the panels left in the NFL one hundred all time team and he says researching and watching film of all all these big players has made him and even better coach. Good Lord I learned a lot. It was a great experience. I watched a lot of film of no players in thirty forty the beat and the sixty quite a bit of that over the summer and and it was very enlightening. I think in a way you know. Maybe me a better coach from the things that I've learned reinforcing things and all to open my eyes from other other coaching. So we're all doomed. No kidding this is very interesting with the NFL. Doing it's I like that. They're doing it for the for the NFL's one hundred one hundred players of all time committed be very discussable. Obviously they release all good way for us to argue on Sports. I heard a show yesterday. Arguing about it for ten minutes as well we love. We love to argue our favorite thing in this entire business. Because it's really once you get into once you get past three or four. It's all kind of social brady active as the most What would you say? He's the most rewarded player with the most records. Is he the best player I mean I could make an argument argument. The most dominating player I've ever seen was Lawrence Taylor right born right right. So it's it's it's always hard ranking. Are we going for trophies. I mean like Dan Marino. I make the argument. Dan Marino's probably the greatest thrower of the football. I mean the ball flew off Dan Marino listener so discussable what is the actual criteria and then yeah but Bell Tech is one of the the ten coaches selected for that list And they're announcing the panels that they're doing the roundtable dollars so jerry. Jones was very critical of his coaches after the loss of the Patriots on Sunday he is not slowing down. Either and Troy Aikman saw it firsthand from the broadcast booth but he thinks that the cowboys. It's been a lot deeper than just coaching Ceesay to say as an owner or as a general manager or anyone else within an organization. Hey It's coaching. I runs deeper than that. It's been a lot of coaches that have come through the cowboys organization and the results have been pretty familiar from one season to the next overall. You have to take a hard look at everything but I think just simply say. Hey we've got this great roster and it's all about coaching. I think that's a little bit of a cop out. That's fair that's fair but it is something though. It's very interesting that he said that. Because there's only one consistent thing that is remains a in general when you are talking about organizations anytime we have conversations about organizations that are not winning or are dysfunctional. And I certainly don't consider the cowboys to beat dysfunctional. They're the most profitable organization in all of sports not a dysfunctional organization by any means. But if your expectations are super bowl which again. I don't know why that it is the thing with the cowboys because I know everyone wants to win a super bowl but if it is the twenty three seasons without Meghan Conference Championship game the only other teams in the NFC haven't done that. Are the Detroit Lions who. We definitely think they're dysfunctional at twenty seven season and the Washington redskins who are the most dysfunctional organization entire NFL. Also also twenty-seventh owners your general manager many people would subscribe to the theory that your settling well or meddling to be the more because he he's he's not the most qualified football person to make those decisions now it is his team and he can run on however he sees fit and this is what I feel about the Dallas cowboys. I do think that they are capable of winning a super bowl. I picked them to go to the Super Bowl this year. They do have incredible amount of talent and they should have superbowl expectations. But the issue that I if the issue is Garrett. Then if you're going to bring bring in a super bowl level coach you have to give that simple level coach super bowl level flexibility to be the coach. Is that ever going to happen. I don't think so. That's probably what joy saying. I'm not GONNA now. But that's the one consistent they finally we would. We could be watching the super bowl preview with the the forty niners and Ravens on Sunday in Baltimore's to me a great game for the forty niners while being ten and won this season are huge underdogs in this game. Fox Bet has the Ravens as a six point favorites which makes San Francisco the first ten to one underdog in over a decade. The last time it happened was two thousand seven game between the packers and the cowboys best game. Ten and one on Best Games on a one o'clock that never happens. This is a great game. Best Game of the week is on at one o'clock on Fox. So I'm going to have to take the niners to cover. You're okay but I do think the Ravens win. It is at home. The Ravens are on fire but six zero six points. There's a lot of points now. The Ravens are I rushing and the forty niners at the nineteenth ranked rushing rushing. Defense has been bad mobile quarterbacks. I've seen it with Kyle lowry twice that defensive lines. It's not quite as fierce like Mike. Tyson wasn't quite as good when he faced taller longer. Fighters that niners defensive fronts not quite suffocating when the guy matchup issue so I I like Baltimore by Touchstone Joylin News. Well that's the news. And thanks for stopping by giving his tomorrow and we thought best for last is around the corner but we thought what are teams. Most thankful for is at the star coaches at the Star quarterback doc. We thought we'd play a game today. Joy What are teams in the NFL or music. John Most thankful for this Thanksgiving all right. Let's start with the Patriots and patriots more thankful for Tom. Brady Eighty or bill belichick. I think you'd have to deduct this year bill. Belichick is what they're most thankful for Third Down Defense is top the league scoring defense topping the League number one and takeaways multiple special teams touchdowns. This has not been Tom's year. It's really been bella checks genius and the ability to get the most out of a crisis situation. Oh Line wide receiver lever. They're the most resourceful team in the league. That's Bella check. Yeah the Ravens Lamar Jackson or John. Harbaugh I would say in this instance Lamar Jackson. There are things things John has done. That deserve great credit as a coach. You can't teach four three five speed at quarterback. Some of the Lamar Mar stuff is the kids. Just as dynamic as anybody. I've ever seen do this and again I have given a ton of Credit John Harbaugh but I think John would say there. There are plays in that game Monday night. He didn't coach Lamar's doing some of this just because of his athleticism and his dynamic ability did he had he almost got sacked. Act Three different times in that game and made big plays out of it. That's the most thankful for. Lamar are the raiders. More thankful for Derek Carr Jon Gruden. I'm wrong on this I would. I like Derek Carr. I'd say Jon Gruden Jon Gruden roll the dice paying. Trent Brown offensive line's better. He rolled the dice on trading Khalil. Mack they got Josh Jacobs the running back John took big swings and he was right on all of his offensive. Big Swings. Richie Incognito got heat. He's now the Best Garden Football. Jon Gruden their most was thankful for the cowboys. More thanks for Dak Prescott Zico Elliott. I'll go with back here. I think it's tax team. I think they're struggling with their identity. I think it's fair to criticise Dak.. He's over for the biggest games but he's having his best year. His intangibles are incredible. The issue with his team is their defense. It's not their offense. It is their defense until last last week. That was my problem last week. The offense didn't play well in crappy weather it happens. In foxborough. The saints drew brees. Sean Payton I think this is one of Sean. Payton's great coaching years. He's he's getting credit here. Five hundred with a backup. Teams teams unravel with backups. And it wasn't like their schedule was easy with Teddy Bridgewater. They had multiple playoff teams. One of them. If I recall was Seattle in Seattle they faced the cowboy. Sean Payton's with the saints or most thankful for you of this team. The cardinals Kyla Maria Cliff Kingsbury again. Like Lamar I'm GONNA go cuyler. Murray there's he's doing things you can't teach this offensive line was terrible like this was considered an absolutely awful offensive offensive line. Have you noticed how they responded. Playing in front of Cuyler Murray. The offensive line is at a very good year for Arizona. He is completing sixty eighty six percent of his throws with one hundred passer rating in his last seven games. The kid is really special. You just don't watch their games. The ten in one forty niners Jimmy Garoppolo Kyle. John Kyle Shanahan here. Because they're they're so good at so many things this. This defensive backfield was atrocious a year ago. They've gotten better on the back end. They lost quant. Alexander and their defense has been special. John Lynch deserves some credit to for his pickup of Alexander. Though he's gone for the year they're number two inrushing number one in sacks. This is beyond just the quarterback Kyle. Shanahan has changed the culture there a power running team with a really good quarterback finally the seahawks more thankful for Russell Wilson or Pete Carroll give the front office credit forgetting Quadra. Digs today and cloudy and Josh Gordon. So Pete and John Snyder deserve credit for that but Russell. Russell Wilson is now sixteen and foreigners last twenty eastern time zone games. He's become the best road quarterback in the league. Russell Wilson is twenty four passing passing touchdowns that's tied for the lead. Look at his weapons. Doug Baldwin retired. Tell me how he's doing that. career-high Passer rating one twelve. Tell me how he's doing. This is the thirty first grade pass blocking offense line and he's going to be MVP potentially it doesn't work that way in this league their most thankful for Russell Wilson coming up next tomorrow's headlines today and a great Wednesday show be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am Pacific. Jason McIntyre used to work in the the newspaper industry bailed on it for a more lucrative career coming on our show so we always use the headlines in newspapers you predict with bizarre accuracy accuracy. I will admit. They seem crazy but with bizarre accuracy. You predict stories. NFL game so here we go. We call it in tomorrow's headlines Today. What's going to be the headline after the Bills Cowboys Games Dak Prescott as much as you do? I know you're big on deck and the Cowboys Always Colin. The headline will be unhappy Dax giving. I got the buffalo bills pulling a major upset tomorrow against the cowboys. Here's the problem. You've seen deck struggle against good secondary's you know his numbers against teams with winning records five touchdowns six interceptions and now the bills have the top five defensive past unit in the League. I think this is a problem for deck and I don't like the cowboys here at all in this game against buffalo by the way last eight Thanksgiving Games Dallas cowboys. One in seven against the spread is a big number tomorrow. Colin and a half I buffalo is really well. Coached coached in Josh Allen. No longer makes mistakes. And that's the thing Josh like. You're preparing last week for Tom. Brady and that passing attack now. You're like Josh Allen. What's HE GONNA do? Run the ball a lot late and vanderbilt again probably going to miss the game for Dallas. I like the buffalo bills here. It's going to be an unhappy Dax giving tomorrow's headlines today. What will the headline be after the Brown steeler skin? So I know you're GONNA have the gathering with the family that we obviously do the same. We Games with the little kids. Yeah one of my favorite games turns into a headline from browns-steelers steelers Duck Duck Brown lose duck. Hodges you know he's starting for Pittsburgh Duck. Duck Goose Fun game. I think this is my favorite game of the weekend right now. Guys Love in Vegas wise guys. Love the steelers Omar Revenge Game Mike Tomlin now an underdog at home. He's he's never been swept by the browns. And can you imagine what that locker rooms like this week. Two they beat us up at the end of the game. We got destroyed by them. We need to beat them to get to the playoffs. This is definitely a steelers. Steelers Game I. I love that defensive. Line TJ Watt. Bud DuPrey coming off the edge Baker Mayfield. This is GonNa be a tough one. I like the steelers here. I do think Cleveland's found in their offense of identity a little but they've done it at home against bad teams me. I know it did against bad teams. Okay what the headline be tomorrow's headlines. Forty niners ravens game. I think you pick this early. I like the Ravens. Well it's tough not to like them. The headline we'll be ravens. Run the table the Thanksgiving table table. I mean Lamar Jackson. Did you go to Rams Ravens. By the way I heard it was. It was amazing. How popular before the Game Limos? Gosh I had friends at the game texting me like this. This looks like a real team against the college team. The Rams were not ready to play the speed of the Ravens column. We talk about how this is a passing league the NFL they lead the League in rushing by a mile mile. They lead the league in yards per carry. Nobody can stop them and the niners. They're not a good run defense. I know this is an inflated line. Right the ravens are favored by six but 49ers coming east. Jimmy Garoppolo against these quarterbacks. I'm telling you the ravens since the Marcus. Peters trade number one offense number one defense in the League in Baltimore could blow them out. All right raiders chiefs good rivalry tomorrow's headlines today you big parade guy. You don't want parade not not really Jeez. Well you know. The macy's Day Parade is Popular Fair the headline from raiders chiefs. Casey's Thanksgiving parade. I mean the chiefs here. Andy Reid off a by Colin I seventeen and three is about incredible. Believable preparing tyreek Hill. Sounds like he's going to play raiders. Fans have been killing me. I one on one of the shows back in August and said this franchise is a mess. They've played well but this spot off. That jet's loss. Now they gotta go to Casey. I Love Patrick Mahomes. He's getting healthier chiefs. It's getting healthier. I think this is a blowout I think this is a total rout sheafs. Embarrassed the raiders. By the Way Vegas people are telling you that the chiefs could be the second the best team in the league when you look at yards per play and DNA yo a and some of those analytics people are saying by the chief. Everybody's saying it's Patriots. Ravens in the conference championship feature people have forgotten. Patrick mahomes nearly took down Brady and Belichick last year in the AFC championship game. They've been riddled with injuries. Still number two in passing in the end and NFL. Okay here we go tomorrow's headlines Today Making Seon. I heard you work in a Russell. Wilson reference. Early love that guy. What a year? Oh boy well. The headline after Monday night football will be delvin cooks a feast. I'm going with the Vikings here Collin. Now I've been spot on with this team. This you remember. We had vikings kings over the cowboys. Russell Wilson Credible I think in their last twenty primetime games. Seattle's eighteen into Russell Wilson five zero against the Vikings. But we're underestimating this vikings team when they're off a bye and Delvin Cook who I think is top three in the league in rushing right now. They're just going to keep the ball away from Russell. Wilson 'cause Seattle. I can't really stop the run. No I think Minnesota's rosters the best deepest roster in the National Football League. They had issues previous two years. I think that that's become more settled. And this is an interesting spot when you have a great team. Three points that the wise guys I didn't this game on my blazing five but I could see where wise guys would like the better overall. Ross just saw the ravens go to Seattle use a ground game to keep Russell off the field. I think the Vikings can do the same Monday night. It's going to be a great game. Jason McIntyre can tire tomorrow's headlines. Today have a great Thanksgiving with you and your family joy to you as well guy. Stop using your wife or your girl. pref girlfriend shampoo get get your own dove. 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