20 Episode results for "Perth Australia"

Create a List of 100 Dreams

Before Breakfast

05:57 min | 2 years ago

Create a List of 100 Dreams

"Are you scared about the possibility of a second American civil war? I'm Robert Evans. I'm the host of the podcast behind the bastards. And I've worked as a conflict journalist in a couple of actual civil wars in Iraq and in Ukraine, and I'm here to tell you I am scared of that possibility. If you wanna know, what might be awaiting your friends and your family, listen to it could happen here. You can listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Good morning. This is Laura welcome to the before breakfast podcast. Today's tip is to make a list of one hundred dreams. When it comes to time management, a lot of people think it's all about saving bits of time here and there, and so the internet is full of these kinds of tips. I will confess that I read these tips like everybody else hoping I'm going to find hours in the day that I didn't know existed. But then it's always stuff like clean, the shower while you're in it or one of my favorites, which somebody said in all seriousness is that if you send a lot of emails where the answers, okay, you should just type K instead of okay? Because I know the only thing keeping me from greatness as typing the letter o and all my emails, right? If you think about it. It's kind of silly. We don't build the lives. We want by saving time, we build the lives we want and then time saves itself. I think it's so much more effective to think about what we want to spend more time doing what great things would we like to put into our lives. The best way to answer that. Question is to make a list. Many years ago career coach Caroline sneeze. A LeVine shared an exercise with me that she calls the list of one hundred dreams. This is a completely unedited list of anything you wanna do or have in life. It can be traveled goals or hobbies or things you'd like to do with your family, maybe professional goals to you can think of it as like a bucket list, but most people's bucket lists don't have one hundred items on there. It's actually really hard to get to one hundred the first third is pretty easy because most people want to travel more. So they put the thirty three countries they want to visit after that, it gets more complicated. Random items. I've put on my list over the years have included visiting the Greek islands seeing Perth Australia building and furnishing a Dollhouse with my daughter reading a collection of sonnets getting a good rain jacket and singing in a performance of Bach's b minor mass. You'll probably have to come back to this list. Several times don't second guess your answers. You're not. Holding yourself to any of this. And you don't have to show it to anyone either though, you can if you want it's just fun to think about things you want to spend more time doing you'll learn more about yourself and about what makes you feel excited and energized. Because here's the thing. I promise pretty much. Everybody has some discretionary time in their lives. Unfortunately, if you're building a career and raising a family, this free time seldom comes gift-wrapped and obvious. It doesn't always look like a day at the spa. Instead, it appears as an hour after the kids go to bed or when you're waiting for the carpool to bring them home from soccer practice or maybe it's a half day on the weekend. When the groceries are bought and swim meet is done because we think we don't have free time. We don't ask what we'd like to do with it. So when free time does appear we spend it in the most effortless ways possible scrolling around online watching TV or puttering. On the house doing housework that doesn't really need to be done with a list of one hundred dreams, though, you get ideas if I've got an open our I can write a draft of a sonnet on a weekend afternoon. I could find a doll furniture store and go visit. Then this time will feel more rejuvenating. Then if I lose it to stuff, I don't care about. So at some point today start making your list of one hundred dreams, maybe you can get to twenty-five over your lunch break, maybe you can add fifteen more tonight, or maybe he'll surprise me and get all the way to one hundred. I'd love to hear. How far you get add love to hear what you put on there to heal free to send me your lists. At before breakfast podcasts at I heart media dot com. In the meantime, this is Laura thanks for listening. And here's to making the most of our time. Hey, everybody. I'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips your questions or anything else. Just connect with me on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at before breakfast pod. That's be the number four then breakfast p o d you can also shoot me an Email at before breakfast podcasts at I heart media dot com that before breakfast spelled out with all the letters. Thanks so much. I look forward to staying in touch. Hey listeners. This is Laura are you looking for more productivity advice? Please check out my new book Juliet school of possibilities. A little story about the power of priorities in this fable. We follow ambitious, but misguided Riley whose life is falling apart until her mentor. Juliet shows her how to spend time. Well, Juliette school of possibilities is available. As an audio book read by me and wherever books are sold. Please join me and Riley as we learned to build the lives. We want in the time. We've got visit Laura vendor. Cam dot com to learn more.

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Tame Impala - It Might Be Time

Song Exploder

17:11 min | 1 year ago

Tame Impala - It Might Be Time

"You're listening to Song. Explorer where musicians take apart their songs and piece by piece. Tell the story of how they were made. My Name's Rishikesh here way. Song exploiter brought to you by progressive one of the country's leading providers of auto insurance with progressive. Name your price tool you say what kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and start an online quote today at Progressive Dot Com price and coverage match limited by State Law. This episode contains explicit. Language Tame. Impala is the project. Kevin Parker a songwriter multi instrumentalist and producer from Perth Australia. Since putting his first EP out in two thousand eight he's been nominated for two grammys and won eight of Australia's Reo Words Multiple Tame Impala albums have been named best of the year and as a producer he's collaborated with Lady Gaga. Mark Ronson the weekend and more. The most recent tame. Impala album is the slow rush which came out in February. Two Thousand Twenty so this episode Kevin Chose to take part this on. It might be time. My name is Kevin Pokka from Tim. Impala just started working on this album and I had no idea what the album is going to sound like so I started working on this song and it was definitely just the creative trying. Whatever phase which I think is important. These songs would coming off the back of doing a bunch of Labs so this is kind of what I was saying to get back into With myself again which is nice. I guess chatting with other people that can be kind of an anxiety that it's not going anywhere. One of the reasons I like to work a line is that it doesn't matter if you spend twelve hours and getting away this is up to kind of separate yourself from the end result being perfect. I remember the first color jam having myself playing around some chords on cable. I kind of like it to be a sound that have been used before because I feel like it's a more fertile ground for thinking of new things having you sound so you use the same sound twice. I think he kind of gravitate to the same thing you've done before and then I just kind of jumped on the drums. Just record over the top of that slowly trying to find something. I like to think that things that I arrive at musically and sonically are Serendipitous happy accidents and this album. I wanted to allow that to happen even more but I like to have drums sounding good off the bat because a bedroom sound familiar the lace inspiring thing. I count on Song in wanted. Just record drums for messing around. It's still kind of is like sound. That dialed in so after this down a little bit that I liked and my dental kinda built the song around that. And what's funny? Is the final drums on. The song are actually those drums from the same. Emma just chopped up and processed going to reopen like late. Nineties chopped up drum brakes. Sound but like smash Moore stem for those drums early draw. It's kind of funny to switching between the two. Does that happen? How do you get it to sound like you're playing the drums? Eight thousand pounds harder. Just lots of tricks that question in itself making the drum sound like that accounts for most of my life in the the sounds in this song I love on their own. Almost everything in the chorus is distorted except the keyboard. Pot by says distorted. Drums at a store. Did that lead line. That comes in is distorted and has one of the Nollie seen devices of a lady solar that and the drums. That's the best. If you feel on on I like to write a melody of codes that are stuck in my head. I mean like get them rock-solid ahead the important thing is to digest the cords. I so I replayed them on just like a spice doubt synthesizer and I might have been at Lupu. I just had a guy old. I every day all-round wherever I was always walking around. Have it blasted the studio doing what I'm doing dancing around? I don't know and I don't know what possessed me but I just started singing. The Hook Kinda sounded like someone teasing someone Anna Anna so then I thought it could be cool to make it like your own subconscious tasting you. And that's why like a mommy. Tom Suffice it came from a bit. I had this idea for clip of someone going around live their life and these leg almost Gremlin like kids just jumping out from behind corners. When they're trying to do something cool they're like trying to skateboard down. A hill south thing and levies kids run out and dislike. Keep skateboard out and seeing that chorus lyric to them. Because that's kind of how I- Ciller is like internal Gremlins at that point. I felt like it had this kind of Rock hip hop almost thing like something that any ID would do you know how like they like rock. But it's clearly hip hop song even though it's like distorted guitars and distorted drum kit. Once I've got hall thing of music where I love how it feels. It takes a lot for me to be able to go in Rot. Something new for to add to like. I just love the idea of taking everything that was from this like six our time like just like one session the studio where I just had. This burst of ideas. I love the idea that everything is in. The song came from that little burst of creativity. So this one I was like. Oh I've got the cords that I wrote in that and I liked the wondering nature of the cords so I was like that could be worse. There's something about like an unexpected chord. Change or unexpected timing of change. That just doesn't for me. Just kind of subconsciously gravitate towards codes on Arizona's dis- but good vocals make sense something. The song starts with deciding to go home early because I thought we will done that. And for whatever reason those have always been a source of defeat familiar like fuck guys out in the hoover on the way home. You're like maybe I'm not gonNA partying after all. And then the chorus comes in slamming leg. You've lost it boom there. It is like the punching. I but also that you know this song was also meant to be playful and almost Kinda tongue-in-cheek is earnest. But it's also kind of funny lighthearted our member that's kind of what may my brother used to tease each other about in school. You know I like you picked you. Picked the right man like that. Get under the skin. See that's the thing about this song. I wanted to make sure that it wasn't specific to any kind of situation or edge or anything. I'm thirty four so I could be thinking that. But then like someone that's sixty four would be thinking the same thing and someone. That's twenty four and fourteen and his cools. Used to me now. Here's it might be time by TAME IMPALA IN ITS ENTIRETY Visit Song exploded dot net to learn more about Kevin Parker and Paula. You'll also find a link to stream or by this song. Song exploded is sponsored by Brooklyn your home and especially your bed should be super comfortable. You spend a third of your life sleeping and when I factor in lying in bed reading and watching stuff on my computer. I'm sure I'm spending more time in my sheets than anywhere else. And these sheets feel great and Brooklyn is so sure that you'll love them that they offer a lifetime warranty get yours at Brooklyn in dot com. You'll get ten percent off your first order and free shipping when you use the Promo Code Song excluder. That's B. R. O. O. K. L. I N. E. N. DOT COM Brooklyn in dot com song exploded is made by me and producer Christian koons with production help from would and illustrations by Carlos. Lerma Song Explores a proud member of radio TOPA FROM PR axe. A collective of fiercely independent. Podcasts you can learn more about all our shows at Radio Tovia dot. Fm You can follow. Song exploded on twitter. Instagram and facebook at song exploded. 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PETA can't Save Japan Dolphins #peta

Kris Kourtis

03:29 min | Last week

PETA can't Save Japan Dolphins #peta

"Hi this is chris. Curtis here were back. Yes we were talking about my audio documentary. I did on youtube. it's called save. Japan dolphins that save japan doll fence. I am the one who created. Save japan dolphins documentary. And i put it out there and it got lots and lots of views on youtube and he got a lot of attention from japan and other places but tell now pita. I can't do anything to save the dolphins of japan. They're not able to do anything. In my documentary is said signing petitions will not get us anywhere we need to be more aggressive and i go on spicing speak to government. Talk to government about saving the lives of these dolphins in japan. I don't know now it's even more around forty thousand japan. Dolphins are being slaughtered per month or per two months. It's ridiculous they're being serves at in in supermarkets as steaks and sasha me and sushi. Can you imagine eating a dolphin how you live with yourself. Eating a steak of dolphin. Can you live with yourself. The dolphin is the most sacred sacred creature on earth. It's the only being on earth that can use twenty percent of their brain us as stupid human beings. We cannot use more than ten percent of our brains. Dolphins can use twenty percent of their brains. So what about that. Don't you see that. They're special that their unique dolphins avai unique and special and sacred. They should be protected. They should be guarded. Should be respected. a letter. people with disabilities go to ireland to swim with dolphins. They go to perth australia to swim with dolphins and they become a bit better. Dolphins have healing powers. They can heal the mind and the stress and anxiety of the person because there's so joyful loving and they send out positive energy towards any human being whether they're three or a hundred years old. It doesn't matter. They have healing powers these dolphins and their special so listen to my audio documentary on youtube. It's called save japan dolphins. We'll be back after the break.

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Find Out If Podcasting Can Help You Generate Leads With Scott Dudley

Simple Podcast Cloud

33:09 min | 7 months ago

Find Out If Podcasting Can Help You Generate Leads With Scott Dudley

"Hello everybody. This is Mark Mario lifestyle entrepreneur and we are here today with Scott who is going to be helping you out about podcast. He's going to be sharing some amazing tips off his journey as becoming a podcaster. So before we get to that part and I just want to say this is sponsored by a simple podcast Cloud. If you're in the market for looking forward a podcast host do check out by going to simple podcast cloud.com. And there you will find a 14 day free trial with no credit card as you can do whatever you want with that that take full advantage of our platform. So strong, please take your time to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about yourself. Cool. Thanks for having me on the show Mark really appreciate it. All right. So yeah, I mean, I walk clickfunnels and on the side. I also have to podcasts and I also build funnels for clients. So sort of pretty busy juggling those three activities off. Sorry got the red eyes happening a bit at the moment it good tired, but it's all good. It's better to be busy than not to be busy. So I'll go I'm sorry. I was in a definitely definitely is a good thing to be busy and not to be busy. You know, you don't want to be bored at home and they like, oh crap. Okay, Kim can't wait until your 9:00 comes and I can do something because the time literally slows down when you have nothing to do with yeah. Absolutely. I like to keep busy. So with the podcasting I started at. Well, actually I first started it about 6 or 7 years ago, but it didn't last long. I probably I think I did about five or six episodes. I think the the name of that podcast is low cost marketing. But yeah, I I didn't really have a clear idea of what I why I was doing the podcast and an exactly, you know have a long-term vision of it. So I ended up sort of giving up after about five or six years. Besides but then fast forward to the very beginning of this year or the very ending of last year. I sort of made the decision of the commitment to To do to podcast episodes every week and launched a podcast called final fellow radio, which is obviously a bit funnels and you know working at clickfunnels and building funnels and I'm pretty well qualified to be talking about funnels and I managed to to launch it and to stick with it and so far we're in you know, the first week of September. I'm up to about setting up a 70 and I've been able to to stick to that schedule and initially I was just sort of talking and you know, it just had a topic and I'll talk about it the first few episodes as you'd expect when particularly great but as I got into it, I got better and better and then I started interviewing people such as Mark Mark spending my podcast as well a few weeks ago few weeks ago. And yeah, the interviews have become really interesting and it's sort of inspired me to start up a II podcast which is called says start-up stories, which was the podcast that Mark was actually on and yeah, so I'm sort of doing the to podcasts together and and I've found a podcasting to me is a excellent way to meet people to get your name out there to generate leads and to just basically to enjoy yourself. That's so that's sort of my story for podcasting so far and I might have say first of all congratulations on finishing your 70 podcast episode good for you. He's so hostile and that that is a really good story and I'm so glad to hear at least when you say when you first started you first couple episode were great, which is truly not the case with most people at least for me. The first case was like when I first started it when I recorded my episode and listen to my own voice, I was like, oh my God, this is horrible. So I'm really really glad I was really glad to hear me. You felt like your your worst grade and it was great. So, so can you walk me to like when you recorded your first podcast and before you even record the first podcast, right? What was some of the things they do like, oh my God, I need to get this. I need to get this I need to have this and blah blah blah blah blah. So what was your do this at the time before? You record it your first podcast. Yeah, well right in the very beginning the main thing for me was just to keep doing them. So I didn't really plan out the episodes to to a high degree. But obviously I had the same things up such as getting the the intro in the air. Try recorded So I got someone from fiber to do that the the logo which substance change the original logo was it looked like a five years that sort of put it together, but I've upgraded the logos and then of course the other thing is the the podcast hosting service as well. So unfortunately, it wasn't aware of simple podcast Cloud at the time. So I signed up with Lipson and because I've got to podcasts now they're charging me for both of them. So and as Mark mentioned wage as well. There's there's a limit on the amount of bandwidth, so And unfortunately, I wasn't aware of the of Mark's company back then but I signed up with them. And yeah, I think that's pretty much all those were the three main things the intro the outro also the logo and then the the hosting service and then of course, you've got to actually start recording the episodes. So I always just using Zoom to record myself talking. I didn't have any virtual background back then it was pretty horrible background actually pretty embarrassing looking back on it, but I'm listening to other people's stories. It's best to just keep your original episodes even whether they're good or not and just to keep going cuz cuz otherwise you lose that off the beginning part of the story. So even though you know, it's pretty amateurish in the beginning of managed to improve over time. I still want to get a better microphone. No, And a better webcam as well the two things I've actually invested in a microphone recently from Amazon cuz at the moment I'm just using these headphones and I know the sound is a little bit correctly and it's not brilliant. But the main thing for me initially like the point I'm trying to get across was I just wanted to get the episodes done. They weren't going to be perfect. But the most important thing was to get them done and to to do awake. Yeah. Well you wanted to do too weak in the beginning. That's pretty brave. Most people like I just want to do one and that's it. We're good with that. Like when I first off was like one week found that particular episode itself took a lot out of me. So what was your frame work when you were like when you were like, okay, you did like say for example, you did your first 5 episode. However, you did it. You had a black seems like you did cuz you were like went right to it, which is great. So what happens after your fifth episode, did you have a structure that you follow or did that structure change where you are? Not normal? Me get my tab because as you are now both know it changes every time. Yeah for me probably the first twenty episodes would just met coming up with a topic and to be honest with you. I'm sort of like riding out notes and then almost reading them from the from the screen which is in the most professional way of doing it. But you know, I knew that I was going to struggle if I unless I had something to refer to I was going to get lost so long that for the bad the first twenty episodes that was sort of how I was getting I was getting through it and there was a few times I had to stop the recording and start again. I was getting a little bit frustrating but I got through that stage and then I realize that will ride so I got 20 episodes now people will start to take me a little bit more seriously and I can start trying to get people under the show to interview cuz that was the initial idea. Anyway, just wanted to interview people rather than just, you know, talk myself. So I started then approaching people for interviews, and I've got a few decent name's obvious. You know not everybody says yes, but you gotta get out there and ask and work at the best sort of system for the most efficient system for contacting people back then, you know getting them interested in the show and giving them a reason why they should be on there, you know, what's in it for them? And yes, so just a little more from there. And now I own interviews. I don't do any uh, where where I'm talking myself cuz I think that for me it's a better episode if I'm actually interviewing somebody else and asking them questions. Yeah, it definitely helps out in my for my personal opinion that it helps out in terms of it works. Twofold one you get to interview somebody else help them grow their personal break, whatever they're trying to promote number to you get to learn another thing from another human being that you probably may not have known and you know, like I said, it's only takes one idea to take yourself to the next idea dead. Next level of not another idea, but you know like this food for dog what I always say is like like when you eat you feed your body and idea our food for your brain. So if you have a new friend who I deal with like when I first tried it create a simple party as well. I have an idea and then it's like, oh that's a really good idea and it's literally filled my own a need and now we have a company that's doing pretty well. So yeah, definitely, you know new ideas always that's why that's why I personally love interviewing other individuals like I get to learn like so many different things. So throughout your interviewing people and you're so far your party has Journey has there been any interviewed that sticks out the most that you like you felt like you learn so much that you did before. Yeah, there's probably one I did with Brian Kurtz who is a well-known marketing expert. He's been in marketing for about forty years or something that interview went for about 15 minutes. Like that's just one I've ever done because he's a big name and he's a busy guy than I'm surprised. He actually went on for that long, but he went into a lot of detail with his answers and we talked a lot about a guy called you back towards who is one of the best copywriters of all time. He's passed away now, unfortunately, but Brian actually knew him personally and I was able to ask him questions, you know about Eugene personal questions, cuz he actually, you know, they were friends he used to go round to his house. And yeah for me that was just fascinating sort of you know, for sure just your average forty six year old guy living in Perth Australia who is a marketing freak being able to talk to Brian Kurtz about Eugene Schwartz. It was dead. I don't know sort of like felt like a celebrity sort of thing and now it's just fascinating. So yeah, that was probably out of all the episodes. I've done the the one that I enjoyed and got the most value out of town from a personal point of view. Yeah. So when you enjoy the most what kind of a questions like for example, obviously when you have friends when you hanging out with your friends, there's so many different things that comes across come across and then some of the things you like. Oh my God, I wasn't thinking about that. So has there been a situation where you were interviewing somebody and you were enjoying it so much. Obviously, that was one example when she asked some question that was like, wow I didn't think about this question before Let me think about that. There's nothing extra that comes to my mind right right off the top of my head. I'd probably be after you know, I think about that before the before we got together. Like that's why I love this kind of formatting. Cuz when I go to Denver. If you I literally before I start I like asked me the most challenging question you can think of because I I absolutely love it cuz that makes me think on my foot off now and then also when there's somebody asked me, I don't know that I'd have to think creatively and think like wow, how can I answer that question best of my knowledge based on my experience? So that's just me personally, right? So everybody's always different so, there is one question that I asked on every episode and that's what tools or what platforms you use for your business and there's a lot of interesting things that come up there like platforms that I've never heard of like you've yep. Just me to a few things. I've never heard of before and you go and check them out in the sink. Okay, cuz you know working a clickfunnels and building funnels and all that. You think that you'd pretty much know, most of the the stuff that's available out there. But having talked to all of these people and and seeing you know, what they use in their business. There's there's a lot of stuff out there that I had no idea about and I'm like, you know, for example some of the stuff that you've introduced me to as well as has been really interesting. Yeah that definitely man definitely. So so what happens after you record your interview or your podcast how much post-production do you do for you? Yeah. That's that's a good question. Cuz a lot of people are surprised when I tell the answer this song I Like to pretty much just get it up and out there. I don't really do any editing at all. Like sometimes the intro I have to edit out the beginning of it because it's dead. It's a bit odd, but I don't really, you know, try to take our parts where you know, there's arms and ours and you know where I am not a mistake or anything. I see I find it's better just to keep a natural and real cuz you know, everybody makes mistakes and you know, not only that also change the time factor. I just have simply haven't got the time even though I've got an assistant that's helping me to to upload and sort of put everything together. I don't really bother too much with with with editing the podcast but we do grab the YouTube video and pop the video pop it up on YouTube and then we've got the audio version as well which ends up on the podcast and then my assistant transcribes the the podcast and then we put that up on on the blog and there's a game. That which is related to it is actually something of introduced to recently there's a platform that specifically for podcasters where it off and it's not WordPress. It's it's specifically the podcast and it connects to your service such as lips and or simple podcasts cloud or whatever and it pulls in all the information off and all you have to do is in add the transcripts to it's it's basically a Content management system specifically for for podcasting. I can't remember the name of it though. That's the only thing I might have to so so just not the Pacific that name but just I'm just curious now like what does it do for the podcasters? Can we talk one clicks seeing where you click it? And then like tents within 10 seconds, it connects to your podcast and it pulls in all the episodes off. Okay. I think I know which one is that have used it myself just to test while testing now cuz I always have to have new things that are out there people are using them. I'm just curious because I'm like so am interested into this podcast and games unlike anything that comes out noon. Like I want to test this out so I know exactly talking about the I think there's the the free version of it and that's all the pay version of it with the free version. I believe you can have that one show and it will automatically transcribe if I'm thinking about the same One automatically transcribe all your podcasts that you upload into a show. Yeah. That's exactly what it does. I'm just trying grab it now. Yeah. Mechanics. Are you a guy? Let me just find it odd page. Sorry. The one that was thinking was called the audio bust is called audio bus Creator. That's one that I was thinking about. That's also great. Yeah, so I ended up getting you the name. It makes more sense. But yeah pot pies. Com said that I haven't actually used it yet, but you can try it out for free. So I think I'll give it a try cuz I'm not really a great fan of Wordpress to be off but I mean, it's the only real content management system that I know how to use. I had my set of troubles with WordPress in the past, but won't go into it like little because of the problems or countless number of problems. I had with WordPress got me into the web development where I created my own content management system hard wage. You'll know press Jazz. It's like it's literally it was so many problems cuz I'm sure you felt it as well. And anybody who use the WordPress every single time. There's a new damn update that did pull it out. It was sight break at least it did for me like everytime like clock or you got to the point. Like I can't deal with this. I'm spending more time fixing this item. Yeah wage, if you got lots of plug-ins as well, then that creates problems too. So yeah, cuz the plugins can conflict with each other. But yeah, let's not go into the technical side of it. But yeah, it's a nightmare it is definitely a nightmare years old because of that all that night me. I'm like screw it. I'm just I'm build my own stuff. I literally talked myself and everything else. So I know how to do all that stuff. I was like, okay, that's yeah so cool. All right. So so you do do much recording which is great because as long as you keep it most of Iraq because like people like I feel like raw Converse dog, Should original polish very professional people. Like I wouldn't listen to like, for example, if you were to always I don't know why but I always higher go back to like having a conversation podcast interview is like have a you know with your friends and just having a good time. And you know, if you go in there, let's say fire and out with your friends and you say hello. How are you doing? And you look around on Sideways and you know, nobody wants to do that job. That's what happens when you have like to polish about interview. Yeah, I agree completely. Yeah absolutely hundred percent. Yep. Yeah. So so you uploaded your stuff and then what happens in terms of marketing your episode or podcast show for that matter. Do you do anything specific that or just I'm not sure what what do you do? You have an assistant job at High stuff on social media which includes quotes and you know past episodes of the show and a few other things as well plus birth. I have an episode, you know a send the links to the person I've interviewed and I you know, I asked them filled or you know, just so feel free to promote these these links and share them with anyone you want off cuz you know, it's good exposure not just for me but for them as well and yeah, I mean there's there's a couple of weeks last month. I noticed looking at the stats when you know, it's getting log 50 or 60 downloads a day for about two weeks and I couldn't really work at why cuz it's not usually that much not not so far. Anyway, I mean it takes a while for you to bring the podcast but that was like a huge Spike and it lasted for two weeks. It wasn't like one or two days. But that that must have been the only thing I can think of is it must have been from whoever I've been transferred like promoting or maybe more than one person promoting those links and and people are checking it out. You know that are on their list or or followers of those people so dead. I probably could spend a bit more time on promoting them. But I'm just sort of so busy at the moment that it's hard to keep up-to-date with everything. So that's that's probably something more looking towards in the future the whole purpose of doing these podcasts is really to build up an email this that that's what I want to be doing. Kevin obviously, you know, obviously seems like your Metro cuz everybody has a different metric that don't want to hear some people like oh, hey I want to increase the number of people listen to me other people like I don't care to listen. I want to increase my my personal brand some was like building your email list. And then so many different ones obviously seems like your main objective will be to build the emails but I feel like it's good thing to do because once you have a group of people that you can actually go and say hey, by the way, I have a new podcast available send an email to your list rather than you know, going to the social media platform with you have to go. Hey, I'm coming here as compared to you go to your email marketing platform you spend about five minutes. Let's say if you have two thousand people at bare minimum rate, you just send it out and all those people who check out your podcast and they will also help you increase in your ranking as well. So yeah, definitely a hundred percent agree with that. Yeah, that's true. I mean I am monitoring the the downloads. I'm pretty Keen to to increase the number of downloads cuz that's obviously, you know a measure of how much interest there is in the podcast and how many people are expecting to it. But I mean, I really would like to start monetizing both of the podcasts, you know with things like sponsorship and you know affiliate links as well where you know, you can bring it emails and providing links to helpful and useful products that are going to help them but also, you know have my affiliate link on them as well so that it's sort of funny that the show cuz eventually I'd like to be rather than it costing me money. I'd like to actually be making money from the podcasts so but it's not all about the money but you know that that would help them. Well, cuz obviously, you know, you need money to eat. So yeah, absolutely, you know, like I always said if you if your side business, let's just say your side hustle. What time? Hold it if you're not making any form of money on it, it's just an expensive hobby. That's going to yes bankrupt. That's right. Yeah, always always always have and at the end they like have a goal that I'm going to make x amount of dollars doesn't matter if you just starting out or you'll be doing for ten years. Don't do that just have a goal that you want to make x amount of dollars out of it because whatever time or the things you purchasing pest costing you money. So why not have some sort of Roi return-on-investment like hey if I put $800 at the very beginning I should at least make if not $50, at least. I'm only $50 lawsuit and then as I get better and better than I'm going to make a profit out of it, but don't spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars or have like, okay now I know what I don't know what to do and I have my pockets of getting pretty pretty pretty broke have a credit cards like it charged up and things done. It just don't definitely under percent with it. You you should always have a plan to log. Thais whatever that you doing I think you got to be realistic about it as well though, cuz usually the podcast won't you know, like kick off for a bit takes about a year to build up a following and to be in the position to make money from it in most cases. I mean some people that are really big names can probably pull it off earlier. But for me, I knew that I wasn't going to be making money from it, you know in the first six months and months, but but once I've got over a hundred episodes and you know, I'm getting good at it and you know, people are I'm attracting good people to be on the show and you know people getting value out of it then from there should be able to start to build it up, you know where I can have some sponsorship on the show and and start building that email. So, yeah that that's that's my goal. Eventually. I'm assuming when you say you're going to build your email list you obviously I'm assuming obviously you're going to use clickfunnels ability email. This is an error. Is that another software you're going to use Is yes, I'm in because I'm working there we get free account. So, you know, I'd be silly didn't to use something else cuz yeah, I mean, we we get the fact that the Platinum account that's got all the features in there. So so you are definitely using that I mean that that includes an email system as well so dead. Yeah. So use clickfunnels to send out the emails and sendgrid is the actual SMTP service that sends the emails but clickfunnels interface where you put all the information and so yeah, I'm fully aware of sangria use that for my own proprietary email marketing software that I have that like behind scenes. That's what it does like in terms of like my own email autoresponder and everything else like talking about like a little software here cuz that's literally what I do is like build software that runs my business away that I want to do it. So, yeah, so angry by far off. Hundred percent better than any other transactional email still software out there definitely better than a male gun and a couple other ones. So yeah, I'd agree with that. Yeah, and it's not that expensive either not long at all. You paid Pennies on a dollar for the amount of the amount of emails allow you to send is like, yeah. Yep, it's crazy. So yeah, that's right. So this about the show what I want to ask you a question, which is like Whatever that you know right now all the knowledge all the experiences that you have had if a twenty-five-year-old version of Chrome ask you for advice to get to where you are right now faster. What advice would you give him? Yeah, that's a good question. We'll probably the first thing is that Rather than sort of working hard and working a lot of hours. It's it's best to try to use as much leverage as possible. So I mean in my particular case, I would have preferred to as uh, I earned the business, you know proper business a lot earlier on in life rather than just just working a job cuz you're trading dollars for you know, four hours in a particular case and it's it's it's pretty difficult to to make a lot of money. So yeah, I mean investing owning a business that actually you know functions without you having to put a lot of your own personal effort into it. They're the sort of things that I'd be focusing on also offer becoming a good salesperson as well. Cuz that's another good way to to leverage your efforts what you're getting paid commissions on say something like high ticket sales. That's probably home. Things that I would have liked to have got into, you know a lot earlier rather than sort of just, you know, working the job and being happy with that off and so not not I mean are a bit higher. So yeah, you sort of hopefully that sort of makes sense, but that's just a few things that I've noticed that you know, I've worked hard for all of these years, but I could have been doing things a lot smarter and and getting other people to do the work for me. It's just a matter of knowing how to do that. Okay fair enough. And now what is the thing that really exact you that you're working on and what are your plans for that one thing in the future? Well at the moment eventually I'm looking to to actually own assets company, which is the reason why I started up that says startup storage box. Cast of sort of see how other people have, you know, got us assess business together, cuz the last thing that I want to do is invest money and and and waste money and and I thought that I'd like to have the, you know, the learn from other people how they've managed to make it work. So Yeah, I mean for me that's the end goal to end up owning access company. And in the meantime, what I'm trying to do is generate leads for other companies as well and qualify them and then get paid a commission by referring those leads to a funnel agency that actually will deliver them for for the sucess company. So that's something at the moment that I'm focusing on and sort of learning more about how how assess companies work as well. So, you know by becoming like a Salesman for says companies are getting paid a commission and also by doing this podcast success start up stories as well as the other broadcast as well. Cuz that's the marketing side of it is, you know funneled. That that's what assess company needs to use to to actually sell the product. So between all of those sort of things the end goal is to end up owning a status company and and yep investing in other states companies as well. I want to not sure if you've heard of a guy called nights and lapka I have not I cuz on his pod. They actually asked a few of the similar questions that you've asked me but he he basically invests in Theft companies and he wrote a book how to become a capitalist without any capital and a lot of the stuff that's in that book is sort of inspired me to yeah to use this method so Yeah, it's just interesting smart guy. Yeah, it sounds like it's a smart guy. You know, it's like it's yes, go ahead. He's a lot younger than me and said hey, hey, hey runs a podcast as well. And he he is an episode one every day where he actually interviews says companies as well. But he's talking more about the financial side of it like an adventure to venture capital and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, it's just interesting listening to his interviews and a lot of the stuff that he does is inspired me as well. That's good, man. I'm glad somebody inspired you because you know, I feel like if you are not learning you're not inspiring. If you're not get inspired, then your existing existing. Then you are going to die off like not physically but mentally and then you will be sold or it was like God you just going through the motions. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, All right guys, so first of all, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate your time. And can you let my audience know where can they find you if they want to reach out to you? Yeah. Thanks having me on the show. First of all, I really appreciate it. So if you wanted to email me, it's pretty straightforward. It's just Scott at Scott Dudley.com. And yeah, I've got my to podcasts off. Once again, you can see the URLs there in the background. So for the SAS start up stories, which is that's a new podcast. I've only done like a couple of episodes so far on that so www.com Always calm and then the other podcast to do with funnels funnel fellow radio. It's just funnel fellow radio.com. So yeah, they're the best places as I mean. Once again, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it and guys all the links that he mentioned. I will put them in the show notes for you to make it easier for you to go. Click on it. Check them out keeps got a guy. He's amazing guy check them out and wish you much much much success in your future Scott and thank you for being here. Once again. Thanks Mark. Really? Appreciate it.

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147. Crying Into My Boba

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147. Crying Into My Boba

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It's Your this is honestly making it my year twenty eighteen been such a cursed year for me. And to like have the opportunity talk with you about it is just a dream come. True. How are you doing today? Well, first of all, let me say, I'm sorry you had a kirsty year. I'm sure. We'll be able to hear more about that, but I would how callous would I be if I just didn't address that you just said that? Sorry. To hear as far as how I'm doing I'm doing okay I'm fighting off a cold. But I'm feeling. It's okay but I'm feeling very good about life and very excited about life right now that's how I'm doing. Inspiring. And like. My lowest points this year it's been doing your podcast has helped me get through this year and it helps me like if all the people that you interview can get through the things that they've been through, then I can definitely do the same. I'm very happy to hear that and I'm happy to help in any way and that Super Nice. That's Super Nice. Don't take that lightly. I'm sorry you actually. On my hands and I I don't know. I I was just thinking I was just saying thank you. It was I. Give you a very heartfelt response is what happened. Okay. Thank you. That means a lot to me. Oh I was just gonNa say though it sounds like you might be driving. Am I correct in that? Yeah I I am. Plugging and my I'm almost Andrei. Like ten more minutes and then I will be Free I. Can't believe you guys stick knees or live on just a normal. Okay I just WANNA make sure you're safe. You got the handsfree you got the hands free system going what are we got? Yeah. Yeah. Good. I'm good now. Okay. All right. I wanted to talk a lot about. Overcoming something that I don't know if it's been talking about on the show before about. Asian. In. Asian I dunno ever heard of that before. De personalization and de Realization. So it's kind of like a feeling, it's a symptom of. and. After. Trauma. Or. Something traumatic. It's really feel like you for having constant a of out of body experience and everything kind of feels like you're floating It feels like your dream like. Mike State. And I. Had A near it wasn't like an actual clinical near death experience that I had earlier this year but. I went through two very traumatic things one after the other. which there's GonNa be some people who make fun of, but my traumatic experience was because for them this is like nothing but. I'm someone who I don't i. don't drink and I don't do anything but one time I went to. A party and I took way too many edibles. And I've never done that before. And it ended up being such a psychologically like. matic experience for me that I ended up getting symptoms of PTSD, afterwards because I didn't want to have that feeling again. And then a week after that, my sister went missing for the second time. And so those two events one after the other I kind of felt like my world was. PRASHANT and I ended up experiencing lots of existential ear it was. It was the worst year ever just because of having to go through that and I gave up on my hobbies and everything because it made me want to stay like a hermit at my place. Never, wanting to my house. Yeah. So I went through that. And I it's made me afraid of everything afraid of driving afraid of claims. I'm afraid of going to any sort of event. Made me very paranoid but I will say that I've been going to therapy months every and it's helped so much. Glad to hear to help and that's a that's a hell of a it's a hell of a year. Yeah. Yeah Sounds like the bottom really fell out. Yeah. I've been here to. I. On. All you're breaking up, you're breaking up. It's doing that slow-motion underwater seeing. That oh no. No I. Don't WanNa talk it's totally okay. Oh, I need to know what happened I need to know everything that happened. We're not cutting off now. Okay. Awesome. Okay. We're GONNA dial you back. The hung up on her mid word Jaren. Can we leave that part in where jared callously hung up mid word? We pause the clock that a policy o clock. Pasta. I don't know if people are to be hearing this part or not. Some just GONNA keep talking. Get. Tim Jared O'CONNELL's ice. Hello Hello. Hello. Hi. Oh. My God this is so much better. I can hear you much clear enough to yes. I, can hear you so much clear as well Oh yes. Good. You need to start over at all no, I think we got it just pick up with that last thing. Okay. So Entire year I have basically convinced myself that everything was dangerous and I had to live in bubble and any events or things I wanted to go to our concerts like like rock concerts that I've been wanting to go to for all my life I'd be like, no, I can't go if I go something's going to happen, I'm going to die. And There's so many instances where I was like this is my last day alive. This is the last thing I'm going to experience. This is the last thing I'm seeing and it was so. Coming that. I would I bought this book on Amazon called I'm data just now what Phil about all of my death wishes all of the songs that I want to be remembered for how I don't WanNa see in her all and I sat everything my mom I, found it her by mail in by email because I wanted to make sure that. She knew everything 'cause I'm all alone where I live I don't have any family around me. So I became very paranoid for who's going to take care of my dead body once. Since my family's not around. So it became very Awful I was paranoid constantly but I've been doing so much better now that I've been there be and doing MDR treatment for PTSD to get over my phobia. Conquering one thing at a time. Really. Okay I have a lot of questions. So let's go one by one. Okay, hard. Couple hard questions I got I wanNA talk about all this on talk about on his. Co. Okay Hard Question I. You said you you kind of prepared for death and let your family know I just WanNa just so I'm clear was this. Was this just because you're paranoia had overtaken you and you assumed it was coming. We planning to end your life a little unclear on. Okay so it was it was not something that I. It was something that I felt like it was going to happen because of outside forces. And also because of my sister running away and advancing my family for the second, she's she's left in the country for the second time. and completely cut off all contact with everyone i. felt like I was all that my parents have left and so that I had to stay alive because otherwise. I was just scared that if I wasn't alive that my parents would have nothing and it just It was awful. So I was like, okay. I need to basically live in a bubble so I can stay safe for them. Right, so that that does lead to the second question I had which was. So your your sister left voluntarily and cut off communication but. When you had initially said, she went missing. So it's not this is not. She is physically safe somewhere she's just. Seven? Communication. Crack so she. She went missing two years ago for about say and a half but that's how long it takes to get to where she was going. I, plan. and then once she finally talked. ME. I found out like where he was and everything. And you know I want her to be happy. My family we all want her to be happy I. We both we all just wish it could have been communicated. Then, she came back. To where my parents lived, which is in the Midwest and then she ended up leaving them again a year later to go back to the same place but these people different countries and. I'm shirt from from what she has pulled me, which is very briefly in like berry big. She's happy and she's living her life but Still talks, and this is the first year where she's forgot wish man happy birthday and I sort of. Helps that would have been an icebreaker conversations is here like that how she's doing. That's Scary stuff clearly, I can just even tell from your language that. This is her story and you don't WanNA share too many. details. Yeah. He said she left the country. He also said these people like she she's gone joined up with some sort of group. I. Think it's a call so I just. that. And you know like it's fine But. It's it's So I've I've been the last couple of months without even bothering with contacting her especially after not talking to me on my birthday like at least not wishing you happy birthday I just kind of expected that much. but last night this sounds so stupid but I was watching frozen. And just the sister relationship between Elsa and on a just reminds so much like my sister running away to like isolation on just shutting her sister out. So I sent my sister in email being like hey. I don't I'm not. I still care about you. I. Love You and I hope you're doing well. But. The reason I don't message you is because I get nothing in return and I can't keep holding my breath anymore. I thought that that I can freed for the remainder of here and not expect anything on Christmas or New York. Right? Right. You're bracing yourself for the holidays. It's hard. I'm here by myself and I can't get on a plane visit my family because my. Can teach sorry Sallie Mae Ptsd on like. You know. Just, trying my best stay sane for the rest of this year. That's so that's so that's a be on your own when you're dealing with. Dealing with what you're dealing with it's really hard but it the. The fact that you're condition limits your ability to traveling get to people. Is. What it just ties your hands in a way. That's really sad and scary. Get it. I get it. And I. I don't know how much you know about me I 'cause you know I've been very public and I talked about all my mental stuff on my on the HBO Special I did. But I don't know when things were at their worst. Me Dealt with a lot of paranoia as well when things were at their scariest. Oh. Yeah. I can get through this. I think. So I mean I did and who's to say you can never just say well, I did. So you should like I think that attitude is problematic but I can tell you at the very least you're talk tournament I I you know the depression stuff everybody talks to me about all the time and the. Stuff but when it really hit a pitch where I feel like when I look back and realized that I was probably actually some real trouble and some real day to day. Danger it was when the paranoia had taken over. Yeah. It really is even and I wonder if you have this experience to where. I think one of the things that I couldn't get across to people until I was dealing with you know trained professionals who had dealt with it before was. There were a lot of times where logically totally understood. That things weren't real. But, it doesn't change the fact that emotionally they were wrecking me. And that's a real confusing thing. For me I, I always used to think like I I was a dumb kid. Got A, couple of speeding tickets and how to an car accident at one point not the one I talk about in my show but A. Point being I had all these points on my license, and if I got anymore points I was GonNa have my license suspended and I went into this stretch where for about a I would say a solid year. Anytime I drove at night. I would be completely convinced that the car behind me was a police car that was about to pull me over. And it was. I can't relate to that specifically but I can understand driving anxiety because right now I have like a like a curfew for myself where I'm too afraid to drive had a certain hour because I'm so convinced that a drunk driver is GonNa kill me no, it's like It's so developing when you can't even do things that you tail because of this paranoia. Yeah I mean I would say like that's A. Really, you know it feels like we had a paranoia has that kind of cousins this idea of? You. Know you need to drive to function in your day to day life. You gotta gotTa go do things you gotta go shop for groceries. You gotta go. you know live the infrastructure life, but you have completely convinced yourself that something terrible is about to happen if you get behind the wheel of a car. That's that's not a small deal you know, and then of course, the first things to go are the non essentials but that's seeing friends and going out and doing social things and. All of a sudden, you're spending a lot of time at home because you. So. Completely. Nervous and filled with dread, and that just becomes a cycle that built. I've been there. Yeah, I've been there. I. I I I want to bring up that my breaking point where I realized I needed therapy was In the summertime and I couldn't even go to like the local target to get my own groceries without being afraid of like something bad happening that I would text my friends and have him go to target and bring me groceries because I couldn't even do a simple task like that and Then, another night we met up out of Oba shop and I was having an existential breakdown because I'm gay. So I was freaking out that if I died I was GONNA go to hell even though I've never won like I've never really been religious but then suddenly all this panic set in where I was like wow like. I am like if it does exist and if it is true that gays go to hell that's GonNa Happen to me. So I was freaking out my friend met up with neo bar I had this existential breakdown. In public crying hyperventilating and. This guy over here's me. And he comes up to me and he starts telling me how he's going to pray for me. And that's when I was like, wow, damn. I I need to get everything together those the next day that I. Out A therapist and That's yeah. I tell you. You're bringing back some feelings and some memories I have not felt. In a long time because I've I've been a strikingly similar spot. Let me I just want to you're saying Abobo bar is that like the Japanese bubble tea? I. WanNA clear that up. I got. I say this with no disrespect and with total compassion your story but to hear such an intense story and then you keep dropping the syllables. Boba. Throughout them. Is a weird dark laugh moment for me and as a comedian I have to ask. So I'm losing my mind and I'm convinced him going to hell and I went down to the Bobo Bar. Get. Into, my Bova. Yeah. I'm GONNA, Pause. I think it's okay to cry into your Boba t once in a while. I also think it's okay to cry into were onto any of the following products they are advertised on their showed I hate encourage you by these things use the promo codes. 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Where you're completely, you hit rock bottom while you're drinking Japanese Boba t that's real life that's really And that's another thing that I. Think I pod I. Tell You I really applaud you for opening up about this stuff right here because I think use you said at the top of the car but a lot of people are GonNa Make Fun of me and I wanNa tell you I bet they're not I. Bet they're not because I've talked about this stuff had the same fear that everybody's going to judge people are GonNa roll their eyes at me and I've been met with tons of people telling me that I got through them and and you talking about that incident at the bow bar I bet there's people listening to this who have kids who have their own versions of some sort of you know mental illness or or dealing with some either temporary or permanent mental health issues and I bet there's some people going I, don't understand. My Kid. But I'm listening to this lady explain it and it's helping with that and so don't nobody's GonNa. Laugh at you. Nobody's going to laugh at you at all they're going to be appreciate that. I really do appreciate that a lot and something that I'm really lucky for is how much support I've been getting from like my family. So like my mom and my dad, that's really all I have is my mom and my dad. And my co workers my friends I. I've been really open with every one and I'm okay with being an open book, which is why I'm okay calling and talking about this today. Because I, feel like it's It's helpful and it's relatable and I've always been helped by the people who've been open about their own struggles. We're all in this together yeah. Big Time. And that's an IT. Another thing identify with so much like the memory that you bring back is. The way that you can be. Totally in a situation where you feel like you're losing your grip. And then something shocks your right back like I've had that experience like you to where you were like you say you're sitting there and start obsessing over the fact that you might go to hell and you're expressing it and it's like probably panicky and it's getting a little louder 'cause you don't even realize people are listening and then all of a sudden somebody's like I'll pray for your soul and then you immediately like I, need help what the hell. Okay. What's called wear immediately you're like I just found my footing again and things are going too far Allah okay if if people are. Sitting the point where people are actively approaching me and offering prayer. This, I'm going to big this. Yeah Talk to me. Having a second time at that. Vogel Bar, with another friends and with her after I'd been going to therapy and I was telling her how successful it was, and I was like kind of poking fun at the fact that I had an existential breakdown at Abobo bar and some guy was praying for me. And I turn around and that same guy was at the table studying again and his friend literally just asked him, what would Jesus do and I, said to my friend we have to go and I can never come back here because I was. So embarrassed though I left that Bobo Bar I can never go over again. That that tie that's pretty for me. He studies there apparently. Yeah and Like in the Joseph Cambell, Hero's Journey Study of Myth I. Believe There's this one step in that journey of like you have to go into a dark cave and face down your own soul urine reality sounds like this Boba bar is year version of that Seoul cave where you have to face your deepest inner. Turmoil and I want to can I just say well, can I just say as well I think there are people and maybe even this guy who knows there's people who might offer up prayer and they have nothing but good intentions and they do come from religious Becker and we're. And we're joking about it and you know for so I've come to realize to for some people at I think especially in the past might guesses church was therapy for a lot of people that going to confession with a priest was the closest? To. Therapy and that, and that can be a beautiful thing. But you and I are joking about it and I can tell you and I are like minded people and it's I WANNA be clear I'm not making these jokes because I'm rolling my eyes at the idea of prayer because some people have good intentions but it's just there's no. I would love to make back there too. I I'm someone where I may not be religious but if someone tells me like God, bless you like instead of like Merry Christmas and God bless I, appreciate that because that's them giving me their warmest wishes thought you know what makes them a better person and the day like that's how they feel happy as I am someone who's I'm accepting of everyone whatever makes them a better percent the a day, and if they actually like practice what they preach, it's Beautiful I I again, I think, are mostly just laughing at the fact that I never imagined myself having an existential. At Abobo Barton so on offering their prayers to me, I, just never thought myself in that in those shoes before. Yeah. Similarly I'm I I can picture in my head and I know it's not that this guy is ill will or doing something wrong but it's just that moment where you look at someone Ango. Buddy this is not a it's just not. This is just not for me is now what I need right now. Now if I can continue crying into my. Team. Let's Get it now. Can I ask you? Do you feel like this was? Something that you maybe prone to before the edible experience and that. Kind of sent it to a crisis point or do you think those edibles really did Kinda rewire things in a way that's become this this. Albatross. I are now so like. I I don't know if this is weird to like bring up, but it's like if you're a beginner. You're only supposed to take like three milligrams and this is a legal. I've purchased it legally here in California you're only supposed to take three milligrams. If you're a beginner, I didn't know that when I cut it into the fourth. I twenty five milligrams and not was so bad that my eyes went bloodshot. My tongue was so dry that it was like it turned away and then my my friends they all went out for the night I stayed in my hotel room and I had my favorite anime on. And I couldn't understand anything that they were saying it was it was dubbed. So it was an English but I could no longer understand English and I felt like a toddler I felt like. Yeah I just felt like I couldn't understand anything anymore and time is going by really really slow. And only like bit of like hope I had for myself the fact that nobody has died for marijuana. So I was like, okay if I just laid this off, it'll be okay. So. I'm totally like I think it's totally fine for everyone else, but it's I i. myself personally don't ever want to alter my state of mind again because that was so traumatic that I just can't it anymore and it's just messed up. It just opened my eyes in a way that I. So want to be opened anymore I go back living my ordinary life now how how come? So many of your traumatic things year have involved Japanese culture. Boba teas enemy what are. There's a phrase now for for Americans who are like obsessed about Japanese culture but I don't know it off the top. Yeah. What does it? Do you. Do you identify a Wiebe? I have friends that are more weed than me. So you're not quite we bitch it's just just. So happens that when you're when you're dipping your toes into Territory, you have a complete mental collapse. Or? fell. I don't know. If. It's the stuff that I like. I. Hear Ya know I'm just I'm just fun I had. I tell you to first time I ever ate edibles I never forgot this. I. Was a freshman in college and the the kid who lived across the hall from me. showed up and he had baked big trae of we'd Brownies and none of us know one on my we're all college freshmen. No one had ever taken edibles before this was also in nineteen, Ninety, eight when those. Edibles were thing you Kinda heard about Oh, you can make pot brownies and when they showed up as a big event now I think that's a pretty standard thing that's out there but my. Eight them. We all eight one and we were talking to the guy and nobody was feeling anything because you know you gotta wait an hour. So it turns out but we didn't know that and we all go to the guy who baked them and we're like what's up with these and he's like well, I don't know. All I know is that when you when you bake, we'd it makes it less potent so we probably should eat more. So all of us were college freshmen who had never eaten. Edibles before I. Think I had maybe smoked weed twice in my life and we all ate like four pot brownies each and. Never, forget later that night, we actually had a you know they have like the door meetings where y'all got to go to the combination with the Ra and Ra toes you felt like rules and stuff that's coming up and there were like twenty of us who just like our eyes were pointed in different directions we were like people slumping off chairs onto the foot. It looked like a scene hunter S. Thompson would've wrote in a book the what to believe and that whole night I spent the rest of the night just throwing spaghetti which I would argue. The worst thing to throw up. Yeah. Texture with that. Want to think about it you. Think about it. But he reminds me of something my therapist was telling me because I've I've been very open with my therapist which I mean. That's what you're supposed to be but she was telling me how she. Has Actually had clients like me who have had like bad trips have been traumatic. So it's been reassuring that not be alone with that. She even told me that some of her like say like say college buddies have been to Disneyland on edibles and sat on events for six hours before crawling to get a Chiro. Good Shots are good. Dipping sauce with you get some melty off in turtles and good. Now can I? Can I say to you I know I'm joking around a lot while I'm also telling you I've been through it and I'll tell you know how scared is but I do the fact that we can laugh about this lets you know that I have high hopes and a lot of confidence. You're gonNA pull through it. You're going to be okay and I say that dismissively. But encouragingly because I hate when people are like, Oh, you'll get through it. It's not that easy. But I've been there and you sound like you. Had in the right direction. Sorry. I keep interrupting our. It's almost. It's my fault. No. No, it's okay. I was just GonNa say that It's a good thing that we're on the phone today as opposed to like six months ago down rock bought because it's it's better to tell a success story than like, I guess in in progress of success story than the be at the phone like asking you for answers and for how. Like? I feel a lot more confident and my journey now than they did six months ago. Are you standing on a runway that plane was loud. That was actually a train that went nine I'm parked in a parking lot train just went. That's good. That makes me feel safer about you being in a car. was was this something that was an issue before the edibles and just rocked you or? Did they. Bring it out. You think like, did they cause it I've always had anxiety. It's never been this crippling I've never had anxiety that. Made me think about this like every single second of the day and still do I still think about that every day and at my worst I had to sleep with lights on I had to sleep with the TV on because when I'd wake up in the morning, it'd be panicking that I like died And I, still sort of get that feeling occasionally it's not as intense anymore and I can luckily sleep without the lights are TV on now but. It was really bad over the summertime where I I had to have noise on constantly because I was scared. I was going to die in my sleep. That's wild. That's wild. That's where I think any rational person listens to it goes here. This is not a laughing matter you are. Convinced. Every time I fall asleep that you've died that's. That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah it. It can make even just like going going to sleep difficult. So. And driving flying everything so I, I'm just glad that I'm in a much better place and that the therapies helping I go every other week now. That's that's a nice and I'm not someone who feels like. There's some people have a goal of I'm going to stop going to therapy I'm going to stop taking medication I'm like I don't understand why that's a goal, but it is nice when a therapist says, you know I don't think you need to be here every week I think that's such a nice step when it's under the carrier for Professional. Yeah, absolutely and She. She's great and the way I found her was the college, its website and I made sure to find someone that was lgbt friendly 'cause on the website and list of they're like they're they help people who are lgbt and that was a huge thing for me because I didn't WanNa feel like I was secretly judged for any of the things I would talk about. Those been great having someone that I can click with because I've had a therapist before they didn't click with. And I doubt it. So when when friends tell me, Oh, I I don't WanNa go to therapy I'm like I the last because they went we didn't click or we didn't mesh well, no, like find another you will find your right match. They're out there. Yeah. I'm I'm GONNA say something. Weird. And, I'm not saying this to make you feel bad in any way. And also weird to play Miami. You haven't watched my HBO special have you. I haven't no. I just get someone a recently for game thrown. Yeah. I like that you didn't get it for you just actively it's no interest in me but game of thrones forget but I. Know that's okay. Get watched it to a great show. But I bring it up not to plug my own shit. But if you do watch it some day and I don't presume you will I think you're going to start laughing hard at how similar you and I are with our stories. The Paranoia, the drugs, the drugs triggering it sometimes having a strange thing. You do not click with and how awful that can be and how you have to find someone who's a good fit for you. You're gonNA laugh really hard when you think about this conversation in the context of that. At the Friday night tonight and I don't do anything crazy on Friday nights because because the paranoia. Had, watching that I don't know if you should watch it in bed 'cause if you contemplate death too much volume embed, this might not be the special for bed. I'm maybe stick together. To happier game of thrones more cheerful HBO product. than. My. Special it's. My special makes game of thrones look like a happy go. Lucky. Summer. Breeze comedy. I've I wanted to just because we have been through so much more stuff that was similar stuff. Do you ever feel like like I came to a point where almost felt like do you feel like the paranoia? Is like? weirdly like A. An organism that wants to stay alive. Do you know what? I mean? I bring. Yeah. Yeah. Actually you're reminding me of a quote that one of my really good friends told me and she said don't become friends with your anxiety like your your. Your paranoia like don't treat it like a friend like if you. Not to say that, you should ignore it but don't feed into it. You have to do your best to sort of set it aside and not let it thrive. And so it helps when she told me that because I was like, yeah, I, guess I have been treating it like it's my companion I need to not. Like. Think of it as a crutch, not a crutch but I don't know just. Can't let it grow because I think I think the thing that made me think of it is because I had a very similar thing to you where it it disrupted my sleep endlessly I didn't have the death thing. I would have a constant fear that I had overslept and was late for something and I'd wake up every ten minutes some night in a panic that missed my arm. But then when you think about it when you're exhausted, it sets an even more when you are physically exhausted. It becomes something that's even less manageable and. Similar to the driving thing, I wonder how many people who experience this stuff where it affects that type of thing where it's like yeah, and now it means that you can't go out and see people now it means that you can't go out and like we said you couldn't go to target. I. Can't go to the grocery store to scared. These are all things that make you feel like the paranoia is sorta the only thing you can trust fucked up. Yeah I mean what's even worse it there's like so many layers to it, and it's like because I live in California I, started thinking about earthquakes a lot out of nowhere after living here for eight years I I suddenly become afraid of earthquakes and I became. So afraid of like the biggest earthquake happening that suddenly a sued Nami was going to happen. I was just so convinced that the day I decided to go to the beach is the day that something awful happens like that is just I couldn't even go to my favorite beach anymore because of that but I I've I've definitely Overcome it because I've been there. but it's still hard. It's still challenging And I that's something else. I was GonNa say and then I forgot it. Oh, thing it but. I, you ever watch You ever watch the Lord of the Rings. Trilogy. It's great to fall asleep to I. Like it I like, no like I mean like I always fall asleep right as Gandalf set off the fireworks for the kids. That's like. Eight minutes in the eight minutes like nine our experience. If, you count those. Under. Now, you actually just reminded me of. This is perfect. This transitions perfectly into what I forgot. I was going to say so because I am afraid of driving I'm afraid to go anywhere for the holidays. So I was considering having a Lord of the Rings. Marathon by myself. Now there's outs. I'm not going to spoil too much for him but anybody who's watched the two towers while Anderson I think that paranoia. Is like green warning wormtongue. Like King Theon. Has. Paranoia and anxiety. Screama one tongue. It's this thing that just whispers in your ear and you become convinced that it's right. And that's I always I. Feel I feel like that. You're not going to like that part because you're gonNA, see what I'm saying anyway. No I can. Honestly I can handle it I and I want to watch it and I appreciate the heads up by sometimes I even think of my anxiety is like Golan where it's like few you have no friends yes I had the same experience when I When I really dove deep because that came out when I was in college the first one and I was really in the thick of my depression I remember feeling like Oh Ghalem is an analogy for addiction and and anxiety and paranoid this idea of like you're you're this fucked up little being but you're used to be someone else in this stuff has just taken over and it's sort of how you're letting people see you and how you're seeing yourself I always felt like that. Turns Out Lord of the Rings. Is Good. Turns out. It's a good. Layers to. Look at that. Lord of the rings getting a free plug on the show. I. Don't know how people often. Talk, I'll tell you what though these upcoming people they get the free plugs because their advertisers and they a pain for them. 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Turns, out, Lord of the Rings Is Good. Turns. Out It's good. Layers to it. Now, what's Em Dr Treatment? Okay. So EMC Eric Treatment is a photo I. Think it's I movement for processing something and it's for people who struggle with. Ptsd what they what therapists does she puts these two vibrating devices, each hand one per hand, and she has me lay down close my eyes and as they're vibrating one to the other left hand right hand left hand right hand left hand right hand. She has me think about certain things and relive the experience and she says You're fear itself won't hurt you the memories themself like you won't be hurt like you're just think about these and what it does is actually reprocesses those memories to make them I. Don't know you make a little bit more. Less, triggered by I. Guess. Apparently Yeah most people get success after like eight sessions. And I can definitely agree that it's been very helpful for me. We either talk to I might have talked about that with someone on the show before or someone in real life who's done it but I've heard about that it sounded really interesting it I think it's really interesting this side of mental health that people are exploring. Now word's not talk therapy but actual. Actual like. How would you say almost like physical therapy for the brain like actual methodologies To get certain muscles working certain ways. Now. It's very fascinating. I mean the brain is A really interesting thing and at at my worst over the summer I really shouldn't have even been doing so much research all my brain because I don't mean. They're worth I bought I, bought this magazine at whole foods that literally said all about the brain and I was like I wanna read this and then I regretted it because it made me think too much. It's kind of like going down the tube hole of. Trying to watch other people's videos about near death experiences it was not good for me. So go down that hole because that's when I found. So the fearmongering videos about people who saw hell when they have narrative experiences so Sometimes, he just needs to protect yourself and you have to like like on twitter I have muted the words like that dying dead. Like die because. Those words non literally every single day all day long like Oh, that's so cute. I'm dying I'm dead and I didn't realize how triggering it's not triggering for me right now but. Like hearing the word when I wasn't expecting to hear it all the time I was like wow. So I love the feature on twitter where you can meet. To make your you know your timeline. Better for you mentally he's under protect your brain I feel like for a lot of us with the issues you and I have just muting tw- muting the word twitter from our vocabulary would help. Certain words if that if twitter at. Twitter was. Because I have to use them for but. I wouldn't be on this phone call if it weren't for my twitter notifications for you right now. Very true. Very true. So I was very lucky that I got that notification from twitter. Happy. We're talking and it's doing it's helping. To helping me. Yeah because I feel because I'll tell you. This the paranoid I was actually put on a medication specifically for the paranoia a pretty. Pretty just one milligram day of an antipsychotic called whispered all pretty heavy duty stuff and it helped so much. It helps so much and I was put on, put me on it with the intention of putting me on it for a short period of time but. It, it bought me the breathing room to kind of get to the bottom of a lot of stuff and Yeah, it was really. A good experience for me but it's you. You are bringing back and making me realize the Progress I've made with this stuff and I thank you for it and that was. That was an thousand two was that the first time I saw shrink two thousand and two and I still deal with some stuff and you were dealing with heavy duty this summer but I hope that our talk. Today helps you realize like, Hey, you're. Your openness about it right now means you're headed back in the right direction. Yeah and I hope that one day I can look back on this call and even more progress that has been. I keep track of my progress. It's crazy 'cause I I Journal and. I it's so crazy. I was looking back at my old journal entries the other day to see like how far I've come. And as soon as you open my journal says. Feel free to read our share. If I'm no longer here I a disclaimer thinking that like something bad going to happen to me and I wanted to like see like my final words in thought. And I kept writing at the end of my journal entries. I'll explain more tomorrow if tomorrow comes like things that were so like I had no hope for tomorrow because I was just so convinced that I would die in my sleep and so that was my final statement. it actually became a kind of like OCD thing for me where I felt like I couldn't write in my journal that night something would happen and no one no like my final thoughts. So I've actually conditioned myself to go periods of time without journaling. So that way I know, hey, that's not connected. That's not true. You can still live your life it's your life isn't it upon you writing in a journal? No Right. To write in every now and then but not to make it an obsessive thing I still have just a couple of vestiges of that in my life. I still deal with stuff I was super depressed. Last week last week and Matt many years into my treatment and never totally goes away I still minus if if any sort of cabinet door is open before I go to sleep I, am convinced that that is a very bad thing with very dire consequences and logically I know that's not true. But I still walk around every night and I shut every drawer and every cabinet door and I'm I sneak it sometimes too. I was at my brother-in-law's house and hanging out I feel so dumb saying this because I'm in. and My brother-in-law's house in my His. His wife was like cooking something or making tea or something, and she left the cabinet door open and quietly walked over and closed someone else's cabinet door. And caught myself and. I'm like, yeah that's still a still the last vestiges of me and my paranoia stuff. But it's not the. People keep. It in cabinet doors open. The send you and me. We would be fast if you were able to get on a plane and shallow New York City, we could hang out we'd be festival but unfortunately, we can't do that. We can't do that because you're terrified. We can't but my goal is it's back to New York City. I Miss A lot. The thing that's been keeping me sane lately. Over the place but I've been watching so much gossip girl lately, my goal is to go back to New York City and where a fancy dress on top of Roof hop lounge overlooking the city because I just think that'd be so damn. Cool. So if you can do that and I can live vicariously through you that would be amazing. So you want me to put on offense dress and take a picture of myself at a rooftop lounge for your mental comfort. I think you would enjoy it too. Maybe. I've never I don't think I've ever worn adjusts have I maybe for I think maybe once for a comedy sketch years ago back when Still if you want to wear a suit that's cool to you and your wife, just go on top of a rooftop lounge and taking the view and live your best gossip girl life gossip girl life. I watched a couple of episodes of gossip girl was that guys named Chuck Bass wasn't he on gossip girl? I think in the very early days of beautiful anonymous. I once talked about my love of Chuck Bass I think Chuck Bass is one of the greatest that that actor. I love shows like that where they're just full of joy and fun. But where they unabashedly are like, here's this one character nothing well, round about it. He's just a squirmy evil prick and his name was Chuck Bass and we're not going to give him any redeeming qualities. Why Bother let's just have fun and the actor clearly had so much fun. Just being like, yeah. I'll just play a weasel named Chuck Bass and not worry about if he has any. Other qualities in his life can all chuck bad? Gestures name. That's it Listen. If I'm ever on a rooftop mound I will take the picture but I I I almost don't want to because that's your journey to walk and you gotta get there I don't Wanna I don't WanNa check box for you. That's very true. Yeah. L. Happen 'cause I I have my Broadway shows any disease Oko yeah you got time for all kinds of entertainment except my special. I kidding it's just that we're talking about this. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. audio. Though. So we don't have to make it more about the jokes were just sitting there. I'm not trying to make a plan to let you know that if if. It's the HBO thing I only. Up learned get so. Hitting US TUB bring. House. Well. I'm so we have less than ten minutes left one flew by. Man. Wow. I don't even know what else to say. I just I have to tell you. I know how hard it is and I'm I've been laughing and joking, but that's only because I feel such comfort with the conversation and with you. But also I just want to reiterate it's not a laughing matter and. And it's It's the impact this stuff can have on your life is profound. And just being able to hear you express this all such a clear way and in hopefully China forward thinking way. It gives me a lot of Real warm feelings because. I think that's one of the first steps to be able to speak to it with some perspective and not be. Caught up in it? Thank you I really appreciate a lot and it's It's really reassuring to know that if you've gone through things than I, certainly can to it's not the end of the world even though it feels like it's crashing It's now time for me to bring up something again, very wiebe Ish. In these last ten minutes if you don't mind. Squad. So. Fueled now are you familiar with? And I'm totally and I'm fine with this but anyone that knows me. I'm totally like outing myself right now but do you know anything about kingdom hearts? Heart Kingdom hearts as a video game it combines final fantasy characters and And Disney characters. Actual copyrighted characters meet up. Yeah. Yeah. So basically, it's been thirteen years since the last game I mean there's been more games that have been out be in between and they are very very important to the story. But where the last name took off, it's been thirteen years. And a lot of my paranoia has been that I hope I can survive until at least that game comes out. And so that comes out in January twenty nine. So I'm really holding onto hope that I get to play that game and that nothing bad will happen and I get to. Finally, play the Game I've been waiting thirteen years to play that they released like a small trailer for the other day and I recorded my reaction crying as I watched it and heard it because it was so emotional for me that I I didn't think I was gonna live long enough. So to see that or to hear that it just. It was very surreal, and so now I have hope that just in just forty six more days. On my end like and I can finally play that game. So it should the goal post of mine is not like my whole life doesn't. Revolved around to the game, but it's something that's so important to me and my childhood that. I'm really. It's GonNa. Be. A really powerful moment when I can finally play that game. And I don't think there's anything. Silly about that. I don't. Know. That feeling so well, I know that feeling so well, being totally depressed. Yet. But there's a new star wars movie in December. So I'M GONNA. Keep fighting I think that that's beautiful. That's beautiful. New avengers movie things forward to give you hope. I just stay alive. I. Can give you. Play these games. Yeah. We're on like I'll be totally depressed like me and the first man was funny man and Wasp looks good too I. Guess All the Pick myself up off the floor and try to be productive because there is a hope after all a form of Pope Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas Oil, it was great eventually. I. I rented it on Amazon thirty days ago and I forgot to wash. It within thirty days I wanted to watch it last night and it expired so. I need to I'll watch that after your special. Watch it I it's better, but it's the most underrated Marvin Louise their straight up funny. Marvel movies you like him. I would put my thing like six or seven th on the list probably freak you out too much. Freak out. I'll I'll. I'll be okay knowing that you're okay. Then that we had this conversation, I'll be okay knowing that you're okay. That's how it works. We got a team up all of us. And even. Even just. Theoretically even just theoretically like you and I got to have this conversation and that's awesome and that's beautiful but all that being said. Even when we're not directly on the phone. There's Millions and millions of people fighting through the same thing. And I can think of that theoretically even though I don't know them all individuals and it's inspiring to me to really inspiring to me. And we have to give ourselves that freedom. Ourselves. I just. You know it's I. Tell You. It's It's not easy and I just saw someone a person. I didn't even know that well. Just a couple of weeks ago I saw she I taught her in an Improv workshop when she was in college I only met her that one day. But we're facebook friends after that and she She lost the fight. I saw it. And it rocked. It rocked me you know but. Then, when you hear something like that, it reminds me man there's so many. There's so many people fighting this fight and we have to be in together after. Yeah. Yeah. No you're right I. I'm I'm so thankful for you and this community and what you've done for so many other people and what everyone else and within the community has done for each other. It truly is beautiful and I'm forever grateful for the community for this podcast for helping me through everything just listening to it and now finally be. Able to talk to you about it. I mean I'm the luckiest guy in the world this job I know that I know that. You Want to hear good paranoia related story. So human tournament it so much. So. Last year I don't think I. talked about this on the show I talk about the diner thing jared does that ring a bell? I'm of did I I I. I was sitting in a diner by myself last year and This was in my TV show is still on the air and the podcast blown up and I've been. I've been on this little hot streak you know and it's nice. That's Nice I keep it in perspective that will go away but. I'm from Jersey Diners in a lot of people from Jersey like that's there's diners everywhere in Jersey is famous for its like that's like the feeling of home to me if I'm in the city and I'm stressed I lead in a diner, it relaxes me and I was eating on the upper west side in a diner on my self and I'm playing with my phone. And all of a sudden, a tagged and picture on facebook. And, I opened up. And it's a picture of me eating in that diner at that moment and somebody has got somebody is tagged me in it in a not the beautiful mountains facebook group at the one with all the gathered show fans hang out. We Weirdo gathered show. And he's like just get in the wild. Let's guess what he's eating and I. Doubt I freaked out and I I. Really I was a good. Like claps. And I tell you I went home and I talked to my wife about it and she was like come did you've worked really hard to like now you're GonNa Complain you've worked your ass off your whole life and complained about a hard it was now people recognize you and you're getting a little fame plane about that to my shrink also was like come on like it's nice that people. But I couldn't get it out of my head and I talked about it with my therapist couple times and. Finally she goes you know what I just realized. She's like I've realized something about why you can't get this out of your head. She goes when you were in your your early twenties and things were at their worst paranoia. Was One of the that was the biggest red flag for you that made you feel like you were the closest to actually losing your mind. And you asked think were following you and now someone's actually taking clandestine photos of you and you're feeling all these feelings that remind you of your early twenties when you were taught you a actually permanently gonNA lose it. But she's like you gotta realize the problem back then with those feelings wasn't the feelings themselves. It was that it wasn't real and now you gotta get used to feeling those same exact feelings and understanding that it is real someone did take a secret picture of you. That's valid to freak out about. But the feeling of freaking out is making you feel like you like you felt when you're at your worst and it's bringing you back to that place. At triggered that for you. So point being it never goes away. Good luck. Never goes away but he gets easier to cope with. If you learn and you get the right tool, you learn to master it not vice versa and I think you'll continue to. We got about fifteen seconds left. I. Thank you for this call and I. Hope You keep fighting the good fight and doing better and better and I believe in you. Thank you Chris Thank you, everyone. I mean it so much. Am happy to hear that you are processing stuff the fact that you can speak to it. So clearly gives me great great hope and I think you're going to get through this. I know it's tough and I know you're on your own. Anti. Pleased fighting the good fight. 'CAUSE I. Think you're headed nights ratchet. Thank you for gone sharing your story. Thank you, jared O'CONNELL booth. Thank you to Harry. Nelson also in the booth. Thank you just a mill who's not in the booth, but helps me in always with my life. Thank you to Shell Shag for the music. You guys are the best you know about me when I'm going on the road and doing shows, Chris. GIFTS DOT com where all my dates go up maybe I'll. Say Hi and Hey, if you like the show here's canoed out on Apple podcasts rates, your review you subscribed really does help. That's all the business will see you next time I'm beautiful. A. Next I'm on beautiful anonymous coming at alive from Cocoa House in New York City things get real. I will say that. You know I have been very open about my own issues and I've had that conversation with my mom that your kid had with you in the same way where I woke up and I know that that scared the shit out of my mom and Thank you in a good mom and being ready for it and helping and We have no other choice you love. So. Yeah. That's that's not easy. You just dropped at. What all this was happening your your son was a girl and at this point, that is not the case. Will you know what it is is because I've become so comfortable with who he is. that I don't second guess it at all. That's next time on beautiful anonymous.

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BeeBop Tales: Right Before Your Eyes

The Alien Adventures of Finn Caspian

17:28 min | 2 years ago

BeeBop Tales: Right Before Your Eyes

"The. Hi, this is all of the busy parents out there. Otherwise known as every parent ever sun basket delivers amazing organic meals straight to your door. They have eighteen weekly recipes choose from whether you need paleo, gluten free, vegan, whatever you need, plus my favorite. They have five minute salad mixes that help you eat clean and feel great at much time. So go to sun basket dot com and enter promo code jen's e to get fifty percent off your first order. That's sun basket dot com. The promo code is jen's E G E N Z for fifty percent of your first box. Thanks so much. By. Tails? Be Bob tells is the best show. Bay Bob tails. Just in case you dead. And no. Be Bob tales is the best had to get that off. My chest. Did you know that tails has faves on with their ex like that? Yep. Just one of the many mysteries about me that you didn't know which I guess is. Why you ask so many great questions? So we had a lot of amazing responses to which channel Pandolfi had to change television to in order to free me from the clutches of that evil television in our last episode. You got this great one from Deborah and couvert Canada, and I'm gonna play that for you right now. Hi, my name's Deborah. I am from an couvert Kenda. And this is what I think panel press five six seven four two. And I also have a good catch trace for tales is. Hi, this is the show where Jonathan gets pranks on him. Well, I do the show by thanks. That's a great guest. Deborah and great catchphrase actually looked on Jonathan's phone. Where there are letters correspondent different numbers. I couldn't make a word out of the numbers so five there's J L and for six there's MNO in the best word, I come up with from the channel you sentence was low sick, which isn't a word, but sounds like a word like Jonathan was clipping his toenails near me. I would say. I'm gonna be low sick. Our listener millions reiver's suggested channel two, but that's just one letter either ABC, and while I like to say a as much as anyone I'm not sure if that would free me from the TV we'll talk more about some of the listeners suggestions. But now, let's answer quick listener question. Let's see what we have here. Oh, Megara seven from beacon, New York wrote in and said have you ever been to a world where the second try to look for anything it disappears? That's a great question might era and the answers, thankfully, I've never been to a world like that. Because that would drive me crazy. So I hope that answers your question my era. Let's get into our absorb shall we say how head off freed me from the television. Without further ado here we go about tells season five episode five right before your eyes. Turnoff don't whatever you do. Don't turn it off. I don't know how. But I just do you turn off the TV. And you will never say me again, I promise you just have to find the right channel and I climb out, but what channel should Pandove. I dunno said be Bob if only there was a clue, oh, look said Pandove, there's an input button here. If I press that than the television will go over to the DVD player, and then I can check you. What should be sounds paying for? I don't know if that's a good night. Paddle switched over to the DVD player. The screen went black except a little picture bebop bounced around ricocheting off the corners and insides of the television screen, Al Al Al said Bieb as he bounced around. Okay. Hold on said panel. That's just Egypt. You slowly a very flat bebop started to squeeze out of the slot. And the DVD player. Said be. Stop. I can please up to well rounded flattened like this paired off pushed the bebop disc back into the player, and he appeared once again on the screen bouncing around. Right. I got it said Pandove seventeen channel seventeen switched to channel in bebop suddenly appeared in the room next to his friend ally. Said Pandove get his new well except that apparently Luke down at the toes on be-bop's right foot, which are now as thin as well as a DVD. No problem should be about percolated fix this. As soon as we're home, by the way, how'd you know is going to be seventeen the number was just stuck in my head off dove. That's how many ears the big bad mean. Bad head. Weird. But interesting said bebop bebop survey the room, the empty pizza boxes the flies buzzing around the old couch on the carpet. Of course, said be up of cars. I thought we were going to be able to go a whole season without having to face him. But of course, messing him his behind all of this. This is just like his layer we found many moons ago when we climbed into the volcano the snake the nuggets the bat with all those years the TV trap. They all speak to the weird magic messing him, always Wales. So you think messing ham stole the Pearl in order to? In order to boost his magic. Yeah. Maybe said up we followed him into the volcano into the castle onto the two towers and to all of his huddles across many, worlds and dimensions. Of course, he has a mountain layer to and if I know him, I know there's still one more room we need to find. And if we find that room. I bet we'll find your Pearl. Start looking Pandolfi bebop began inspecting the room's walls and knocking here and they're looking for a trap door where a false front that would lead to a room behind the room. Which is a totally new concept. Bebop just came up with he lifted pizza boxes off the floor shove, the television Assad, but nothing are you gonna help her? What said be Bob. I'm sorry said panel who had been staring at bebop s- flat toes. Just so flack bebop frustrated kick the coach and it toppled over beneath. It was nothing no trap door. No staircase. Descending into a secret layer just more gross carpet. He looked at Pandove who was looking down. We stop staring at my toes said bebop. I'm not said panel look. Look. The panda wizard pointed at the toppled coach lying with its back on the floor legs in the air. One of the cushions had fallen to the floor and in the couch beneath where the cushion would be in with the loose change and old cracker crumbs was a staircase. Bebop looked again at the bottom of the couch. Nothing. They're just a boring bottom of the coach he joined panel on the other side where staircase that led somewhere was waiting for them. Okay. So bebop. This is definitely some of messing hands pointless magic. Let's go. And so the two friends climbed into the couch and descended the magical staircase. It wasn't long before they came to a landing a short platform. Just big enough for the two of them to stand side by side. The pale light from the living room above combined with bebop islets was enough for them to see that ahead of them was a door panel looked at me Bob who nodded. The wizard reached out to turn the doorknob when it suddenly disappeared. Said Pandove then the knob popped up on the other side of the door. -kay? Get ya said be Bob struck out quickly to try to grab the knob, but it disappeared again. And then put up in the center of the door. Shouted pandals who flung apo- the knob, but it appeared again, and then reappears in the upper right hand corner of the door. Wow. This is annoying said be Bob has he tried three more times, the grab a knob. Wait. Let's try together paranov both hands. And so be Bob reached for the knob which was down near the bottom of the door. And with his other hand, he smacked the center of the door Pandolfi put his hands in the two corners on the left side of the door. And when the knob disappeared the wizard felt it rise in his right palm. He quickly turned it and the door opened. Bob, we did it. Now. Let's see what happens next. The two friends walked into a space. There's no other word for it. But space, you could call it a room, but people couldn't feel the floor beneath his feet and a sort of purple mist swirled around them like the Northern Lights. Surpased off feel it the Pearl it's here. And as soon as he said it. White Pearl swirled into focus right in front of them. Said pan off our request is over. But as soon as he reached for it, the Pearl disappeared. It showed up again just to the wizards left. Said paranov I have found what I've journeyed so far for the Pearl vanished. Again, it reformed right in front of people. After so long. Pandove? He'd so many tribulations Pearl is my disappeared again. And then it was just above the panda within arm's reach. We have come to the end surpased off the Pearl will be retired. Now, it's just going to disappear again said bebop and sure enough Pearl vanished only to reappear right in front of panned off again. Said Panadol wizards trial comes to the finish line. Oh, my gosh said be buff. I don't know. What's more knowing your traumatic declarations or the disappearing Pearl? Yep. There it goes again Pearl disappeared. It is. That's the most annoying thing said bebop. It's messing hands laugh. Come on, my laugh is charming? Yeah. You would say that sippy. Okay. Where is the Pearl? Now. Let's try are tricky get you panel Pandolfi. Bob, his friend. This time the wizard was disappearing. Right said be Bob. Alas said pan. My journey has come. Disappeared. Cried bebop. I'm right here. Tiny said panel who had reappeared a short distance from bebop. Oh, said be great. Now. Let's get. Pendle disappeared again. Oh, cry bebop, and then Pendle free appeared a little further away. Said bebop, this is the most annoying cliff hanger ever. Babe tells penned office through messing him his back in everyone says. Tells tells Boone man ham. Oh boy. How are we gonna find Pandolfi and the Pearl while everything is always disappearing find out next week in the season finale of bebop tails, but in the meantime, I have some friends to thank for their suggestions of ways Pandolfi to get you out of the TV. So thank you to Debra. Of course, thank you to Amelia Shriver. We also have Amelia from Vancouver in Washington who suggested the channel number seventeen that was a really great guess based on the bats ears. Thank you so much Amelia and thank you to Cameron from Perth Australia whose idea was to try the input button. And then thank you all Ryan Brennan and taken from Pasadena, California for their idea to try to check me, actually, maybe. No, thanks considering them. I toast, got flat. I also have to say thanks to all the amazing artists who have scented art for me to chomp on including. My pal khloe Powell Ryan Soren from Ann Arbor. Michigan who six as made from Lewisville Texas Sophia who's eight from Houston Fletcher who seven from Sacramento, California, Feodor who's nine from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, our pal Caleb seven from minute Tonka, Minnesota Nate who seven from Chicago Logan who seven from saga tease, New York Har pal Addy from Australia Maxwell, and Ezra from Massachusetts our pal Clara Harper from East Greenwich, Rhode Island who's five and a lease who's four from San Francisco, California and Rohan who's ten from Hudson, New York and Rohan has a joke for you. So we'll get right into our jokes where does it alien go. If it gets us sugar rush into hyperspace. That's awesome. Thank you so much Rohan. And now we have a joke from our pal Dexter. Name is Dexter. California in this is my joke. Why did the robot cO box Corolla what school why? Because it's field or game. Little rusty. That's great. Thank you so much Dexter enrolling for those jokes that everybody who wrote in with ideas for how penned off get me out of the TV, and we'll see you next week or the season. I. Best robot ever dot com. From NPR ex.

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Embodiment: An Incarnational Worldview

Another Name For Every Thing with Richard Rohr

1:13:24 hr | 1 year ago

Embodiment: An Incarnational Worldview

"Welcome to season two of another name for everything casual conversations with richard rohr responding to listener questions from his new book the universal universal christ and season one this podcast as mentioned previously this podcast is record on the grounds of the center for action and contemplation and may contain the corky corky sounds of our neighborhood and said we are your hosts. I'm paul swanson embraced owner. We're staff members of the senate for action and contemplation and students of this contemporary path trying our best to live the wisdom of this tradition amidst adopting stray cats rocking out to clean with my kid and the shifting shifting state of our world. This is the sixth of twelve weekly episodes today. We're addressing your questions on the theme of embodiment. How do we live into hugh this incarnation world view richard today we are gonna talk about embodiment and all the different manifestations and conversations persons that come up when we begin to think of ourselves as incarnate as embodied beans and there are some themes that came up a lot as we considered through the questions and one of them was around the energies of masculine feminine so we wanted to kick it off here with this question that deals with the feminine and masculine then from susan from oak hill virginia. What am i biggest. Spiritual challenges is the tension between the masculine and feminine forces in my life richard address what i believed to be the guests of both how can we and is the still possible to hold these gifts of disharmony while also also seeking to find reconciliation and transformation in the period of waiting what a lovely phrase gifts of disharmony tells me she's got it already. She's coming to the reconciling third which is at the heart of everything we try to teach here at the center that if you things stay at their static male female female you're never gonna get very far. They will become competitive and oppositional but a gift of disharmony. He need a little 'asymmetry a little awkwardness on board to be recognized on both sides of any equation and had hopefully calls both of us first of all to some humility about what renault more we don't know and who we are and who were not on and leads us to what we might call the reconciling third. That's why i think this whole discovery of of gender i mean national geographic had an issue which is not a lightweight magazine you know with genders years and pictures of various people who all looked like human beings but their stories inside. I didn't read it in depth spent where revealing things that surly when i grow up i mean i didn't even know the word gay well. It wasn't uncommon in the forties and fifties but then we move into transgender sis gender ea- each time you've got to find the definition initiation of it. It's just like coming into a whole world of mystery which is undeniable. Once you meet a person oh my gosh. Where have they been. How did they suffer. All i especially think that of of transgender the people. How did they suffer in previous history now. My suspicion is the use of that word eunuch in in both the old testament and the new testament was already that biblical recognition their peoples who are neither one or the other. Are you see this much more visible and accepted in india. Were they walk around of openly effeminate. Don't like the native peoples had the bird dash <hes> here among the navajo. One of our navajo brothers told me this instead of this person being excluded they were considered to be the higher just the opposite of us they were considered to be the more likely the medicine man and training or medicine woman healing moment so my what has been exposed in the last thirty years to show us how utterly ignorant we were and it's as good for example of anything of the dualistic trap i know i must feel like i'm beating to death but you just see it again again and again and again and so i love this phrase that susan uses the gif hoter hold these gifts of disharmony. It's a symmetry that that make something beautiful. We were just talking about japan before we started recording. What what a aesthetic culture it is. I got to give a number retreats there. They love the asymmetrical. You'll hardly ever her have if you're walking into a private home or parker and you'll never have an angular sidewalk. It must be curving. Uh it's not efficient at all and then in those curves are planted trees and rocks that are asymmetrical. Oh it's nothing like the french gardener the english garden. It's very symmetrical almost obsessive symmetry. If you go the european gardens you know just the opposite. No everything is a little bit of surprise like nature itself. Is i mean we'd all. I'll have to admit that every tree if we look at it long enough is asymmetrical. There's never perfect balance so gender is emerging in our time as a usage teaching tool for about ourselves els and about the world and one another and maybe that's why there's so much pushback alerts lessening at least in our our culture every year it seems as the undeniable is becoming undeniable yeah but i just i keep thinking of the suffering that people must have gone through in my collection of aunts and uncles fourteen on one side twelve on on another. I now am pretty certain there was a gay and lesbian aunts uncles on both sides. I don't think that would have ever entered any of my families find. They didn't have a concept for it but but they never married and they ended up being rather good caretakers for my grandparents and was a wonderful gift but what's sad and lonely lives lives. They must have lived because they were lonely. I'm sure because the idea of going out for a night with a friend no such thing as that seems as though that denial of the body that we've so adhered geared to in christianity ironically being a you know a religion all about incarnation we disembodied for so long that that denial all of the body has created so many deep wounds and problems for us not just as christians but as human beings because i think christianity has impacted so much a society so you see this kind of mind body split and a denial of our physicality it makes makes me think of that that line for mary oliver like you know when she says i want to let the soft animal body what it loves loves. It's just those words hit so deeply because i think she describes it poetically so well the soft animal body. There's a a return return to a compassionate view of oh yeah these vessels that were operating in our expressing something important and sacred yeah. I have nothing. I think that's so well. My mouth was open. I think i mean part of that that speaking to that complete acceptance of the fullness of humanity which includes these different energies right and the way hey that i think particularly in the west machine has said stay in your lane. You know this is what a man looks like. This is what a woman looks like. There's nothing in between yeah yeah even to think about for those who identify as gender men. How do you incorporate the feminine when masculine culture is telling you no no. This is what a man looks like. It's buyer to that what he does to his behavior is family roles all determined ahead of time and then we walk around living half-lives because we're only identifying with half of ourselves half of the end at best so segue weighing then into this next question speaking to the division between mind and body and the message of bodily that we often would rather not look at vicky from perth australia asks an really amazing question. She says since engaging in menstrual cycle awareness where i track my cycle and what is happening to me me physically emotionally and spiritually something deep within me has been awakened. I'm beginning to be more in tune with my inner voice with god who lives in me. I feel myself is more of a woman more incarnate and more fully. I can feel more fully the christ presence and i am more aware of divine feminine our our body as women has a natural rhythm. It reminds us that there are times to play create to love to initiate but there are also times to rest to let go to speak truth and be still my fate has taught me. My faith has taught me that but my body is teaching me in new ways i would love to see more christian theology and teaching teaching around this area the embodiment of the universal christ in a woman's menstruation what disa- fia still have to unfold for us in a more open discussion russian about this kind of embodiment. Who am i as a man hello. Oh my gosh just her saying that so gently and kindly you know there's no <music> acusations. There's no shame inglis no <hes> it's just i'm discovering something and it's good but melissa's melissa's of us were given such an aggressive stance of denial and repression toward our body to comeback comeback out of that and to say embodiment is good and is a teacher. This is just a whole new a whole new kind of christianity. I have that quote summer in the book. Tony from cotton chaka's someday christianity you will discover the other part and honor the body as well as the sole. If you find it in a moment you can read it. It's at the beginning of some chapter. Forget what i wrote a one of the things i so appreciate about her question. In the way she asked it is that you can see that for so long and especially as women. We've been taught to feel shame about bodily nece and it's been a tool of oppression. It's been a tool of keep him a keeping us disconnected from ourselves and disconnected from each other and you know i mean vicky. You're already doing this. <hes> i feel like you're already giving us a christian theology on the embodiment of the universal christ in our cycles even the way oh you're describing that there are times to play to create to love and initiate but they're also times to rest to let go to speak truth and be still and i think that's one the things that so many of us are longing to plug back into even when we talk about the desire to be more connected to nature and seasonality it's that we realize that there's a natural rhythm to life and that there's we're extremely unhealthy in our culture and how we live and how we work and how we think that we don't respect that natural rhythm and flow that we're not giving room for letting go. We're just pushing pushing pushing pushing achieve achieve achieve so <hes> yeah the the rhythmic quality of our cycles. I think has a lot to teach us as thicke cyclical nature of everything in nature as well yeah we thought of the body is only the shell you know it's only the shell l. and so there became dismissive quality to it. It's going to die therefore it isn't worth looking at are trusting are listening to we we just found the quote it's on the beginning of chapter nine from nikos kazantzakis his marvelous book report to greco and he says one day the religion of christ will take another step another step forward on earth will embrace the whole man forgive his exclusive language it will embrace the whole man all of him not just half as it does now embracing only the soul only the soul yeah and you hear me say in the book. Why do we say body body of christ body of christ. We tell people to eat it. Which is i think intentionally meant to be shocking sexual cannibalistic us all the shocking words and to get us beyond this but that's why you've heard me say for years why my history professor fester said we were more influenced in many ways by plato than by jesus and that sounds like a terrible overstatement but when you think about got it is pretty true body was bad spirit was good because body died and the body led us on on the journey and the body was the place of the training ground the school of suffering of of delight but we always thought of it as shell instead of the participant it wasn't making the journey with others us as unequal teacher <hes> so this is one of those many things that tell me we are still in early stage christianity when it comes to that richard of the split that is often even to celebrate it between the body and the soul in collegiate culture. How would you offer for those listening as ways to begin to crossover that split the to to see the wholeness of body mind and spirit and to not disembodied on this path of transformation. Remember talking talking. Oh this was in the seventies back in cincinnati to marriage and sex therapist. I don't know what i was talking to him about. It was married but maybe he came to me for something but he said that he had to counsel couples in the middle of their life middle of their marriage who the spark had gone out of it there wasn't much affection or whatever to spend time deliberate time touching ching one another with no movement toward intercourse simply the gentle touching at great great length. You know looking perhaps speaking you know but stop this goal toward ejaculation shen in the mail case especially. Your orgasm in the female is just this is good. This is the body of god and <hes> he claimed to me personally says the the results of people who do this over here is standing just astounding ending 'cause they rediscover embodiment in an in inherently respectful way at this is good. This is the the body of god. This is something that is an end in itself but he said he had to take away the end of orgasm and intercourse so that we could discover the medium is the message see <hes> with the body in this capacity for to light for affirmation and you know you think of what's happening in our thank god in a way but this the me you too movement though i mean do you listen to the news a single night where the word sexual abuse is not used. It's just uh were tiring of it but it's almost i think the body's revenge and not being affirmed validated and seen as good it has come out in sick ways and power hungry anri ways in abusive ways but now it's overwhelming us. Just it's everywhere so i don't know if i ever used that word before but it does feel like the bodies revenge on the spirit and the soul aw if you're not going to honor me. I'm gonna get your attention by showing how sick the body can become angry. The body can become and i think women are way ahead of us on this because they've been on the painful end of it again and again. Seeing this man is not loving me you call. This love making is just a total abuse of terminology. It's interesting that the he we forget that these ideas of separating mind spirit from body or body from seoul are abstract theories. We've somehow decided that that's a concrete reality. Then we operate from that reality and you know your phrase the bodies revenge. It's almost like we're seeing the results of that unhealthy philosophical framework work and i just wonder at for me when i read the way you talk about the return toward an incarnation worldview it feels like so oh healing and such a concrete response in a direct response to the gap that has been created by all of these splits split all of these. There's this there's this. There's that and you know they don't interact and you know i just. I don't know that that tripartite way of looking at being being human is helpful anymore no and and i feel that christianity still relies on it so much that i think it's another one. Are those things that we're going to have to really. He'll look at an turnover. If we're if we're going to continue we're at the end of <hes> a long period of of an analysis over synthesis were analysis was taking things apart setting them. You just said it in your separateness in working with their and now we know there's no such thing as anything living outside of an ecosystem of relationships there. We are back with the trinity again right. That's what just popped in my my mind was the way that your unpacking the trinity as as this flow right the distinction actually can be problematic at a at a certain day as he tried to understand uh-huh same thing with the with the human when we try to separate into three separate categories i mean it's i'm always amazed by the way our theology reflects our anthropology in so many ways the way that that interplay gets healthier tends to deeply impact the other. I think your work on the trendy has helped with that own owning of embodiment as well instead of dissection that even god needed embodiment. It seems if let there be let there be and it all became forms of visibility and the first day is let there be light so you can see the visual beauty and even the visual suffering of the world. That's amazing yeah. I wonder if this isn't why so many of us <hes> <hes> have migrated toward with great hunger the mystics to want to learn from them because they represent an unmediated experience of god that is embodied here. It's an embodied experience of god and it sort of reclaims the body as a location the locus in in which that kind of revelation can happen after so many years and <hes> millennia of just thinking that revelation has to happen happen you know for those of us who are in a protestant probably more protestant around but that revelation has already happened. It's done or ended with the death of the last possible. It only happens intellectually through searcher or you might receive constellations or messages from god but it somehow disconnected disconnected from battling and being it's not experiential it's more intellectual and that to me is the draw of pilgrimage that we're seeing research with <hes> uh-huh. What's the one in spain again. Everyone seems to be going that direction because it is an embodied way of as practicing. Let's get a letter every month <hes> on someone's report to me on the camino. We're going to keep going here with this body. Spirits split conversation with your the question from angus from ontario. My father passed away last year. I was with them throughout the process. The departure sure of his spirit from his body was stark profound after he passed. I remember who've been around his body trying to see my dad. I couldn't even find an the angle that looked like him well. Since then i've i have felt a deep disconnection from body and spirit on one hand. I have never been more confident the spirit's journey with god but unless saddened and confused by the disconnection of the body. I have felt that my body is just my vehicle for however long <music>. I'm here but surely there's a holiness to it that i am missing or at least not articulated. I really go to my father's grave rather than his presence presence in other places such as workshop that i now steward but i like the idea of it has a place of reflection conversation. I'm wondering if father richard could address his feelings of this connection and the catholic slash christian response to the body spirit defied boy. I i hope we already in the last fifteen minutes have been responding to this. <hes> we just keep circling around around this mystery of embodiment <hes> the the seeming departure of his spirit from his body was stark can profound <hes> i guess those tears a at a deathbed that what seemed like one and now seems to be totally separated and we spend the rest of our life trying to put them back together again. How does does he live. Where does he live. Does he live. That's why a grief work is just one of the very best ast entranceways into the spiritual journey because it's not a problem you can logically solve. We're talking about it a bit in the previous recording <hes> this whole notion of of how we we have made them disconnected so maybe i'm just repeating myself but what i keep getting these he's wonderful questions that have been sent to us as you can see on every one of them and i'm not trying to be nice to him. They already have the beginnings of the answer answer and i know that i have there. You're on the right course like he's finding him in the workshop aw i don't need to go to the grave. That's very new testament you know although they i go to the grave but then they find kim everywhere else even in the element of bread in the company of people <hes>. That's the transference that i believe has to happen so <hes>. I don't know that he could ask for me to clarify this connection if he had already experienced this connection all i can really tell him to do. Yeah trust is you're right. You're right. This is the resurrection of the body that in some ways makes the person more real not always but in some ways more real after after death and before because you can't there with you all the time not their body but their spirit and it becomes a kind of energetic attic field that we call embodiment isn't that amazing so but if we have had no respect respect for embodiment our whole life. I'd bet we wouldn't access it quite so easily. Are our long for or trust or allow it yeah i. I even remember a priest when we were teenage boys speaking of the genitals as the dirty parts. Don't touch your dirty parts so anybody else's dirty parts. What and of course we believe with these elders. Oh okay uh talk about being split for. I mean everything is physical. That's always see and what we're saying in the universal christ is the respecting of that physicality in its wholeness is to see spirit <hes> ooh. That's good not the oh. That's just a piece of wood. I'm looking at a piece of wood in our beautiful beamed ceiling here <hes> <hes> it's not just a piece of wood. It's an epiphany into beauty into life that all all grew out of the earth you can still see the knott's on the wood where branches came out of the tree it it certainly it's a living organism that we've made into something that protects us from the elements but that's beautiful but unless you take what we would call a contemporary moment to stop and say it's not just a roof now <hes> it's it's a living being that god made and yet we made you know when we raised the brandin the wine at the beginning of the mass we say this prayer from the passover meal blessed are you lord god of all creation through your goodness this we have this wine to offer fruit of the vine came from god and the work of human hands is both and we say the same about off the bread directly from the passover meal and the good people say blessed be god forever but they're the synthesis with assistance spoken. It's god but it's us cooperating with one another. That's the incarnation mystery so i hope that some kind of unem- inadequate response to angus is beautiful coleman. I wonder why i mean like if we were to just for a second suspend the idea that we were like souls in a holding volt that then got shot down to earth and then got encased in these bodies if we could suspend that assumption for a while and consider them all as intertwined and interconnected as the rest of reality seems to be then maybe we could see our bodies as is expressions of the inner soul in other words like i think about the velveteen rabbit like how do you know when i was young. There's a beautiful passages. I'm going to butcher it but it's like. How do you know when things are really real. They're real when they are loved and they're they fall apart as they are loved to. Your boys voice haven't yet actually hanging. I'm like there's something about the body that i think is deeply connected with the soul and the spirit otherwise is we wouldn't see these psychosomatic connections we wouldn't see the ways in which they're discovering how holding anger in your stomach results in certain kinds of stomach stomach cancer and all this all this to say what if we're here forming a soul with our body with our spirit what if it's all happening at the same time and i know that's very good. I know it feels crazy to talk this way because it's so different than how we think but then it makes me think well if we're in the process s. we're here to incarnate all of it together. Then when we think about death we think about resurrection then were manifesting that incarnation carnation just as jesus i think about his question i no longer see my father in his body doesn't look like him and yet. I'm experiencing him everywhere everywhere else. Doesn't that sound like the story of the resurrection of jesus goes like the cook on the shore and you know the gardiner and the maybe there's there's something to this process that but makes us so real that god is making a so in carnet in this world that when we die we join god in everything everywhere else. I mean maybe who knows right but that's a comforting thought for me. When i think about that moment when you you look at a loved one who's died and you can tell others body this this body is it doesn't look like them anymore. But you do experience them everywhere who else anybody trapped in a us. Just a body worldview would not have seen jesus as a divine figure as same dilemma in seeing any other member of the body of christ five unin insist based on your just paul. You're just bree <hes>. I won't get very far with knowing who paul is or who breeze by stopping ping at embodiment is just shell and we live in a world where the materialist worldview. I talked about that at the under the bug really dominates so much so that christianity is finding it hard to communicate its own position because are people are so materialistic. They don't know how to put matter and spirit together. It's no wonder you look at the climate change crisis this is we're in very good that were there that we can't who can't see that disconnect of the way that we've perpetuated this and that christians aren't even on the forefront of the one saying hey we have to change our entire way of participating in the world because it's killing our planet i think about that split often as a you know what does it mean to to raise children in a way where i want to pass on this this type of spiritual theology where it becomes a sense of wholeness verses does this is about getting you into heaven and if you can bring a few friends at to you that'd be great really seen it as a as a planetary project. Yeah it reminds me of some of what we were talking about in one of the previous episode about what if there's an eternal consequence to our actions maybe that's what the concepts awesome heaven and hell. We're about but again because we've split everything apart. We didn't see the connection of eternal consequence in this life in in the future what we're building. What we're doing how we're acting matter matters. You know that that phrase that you use and the others use. It's like matter matters. Why is that so difficult for us to accept. Why is it so hard. Ah on that theme leah from new york brings up the whole teachings of the course in miracles and she says well of course in miracles teaches that physicality -ality is an illusion suffering and illness are errors and thinking and that jesus didn't suffer on the cross because he knew i'm not a body. I have many friends who are totally dedicated to at this path. They wear t shirts with bold letters saying i'm not a body my friends tell me the truth and she capitalized truth. All caps truth truth that it's jesus's correction to christianity but i'm convinced of an incarnation worldview. Can you address the enormous popularity of of course in miracles which i understand to be a spiritual worldview that claims to be dictated by jesus and the truth about god well. I have to start by pleading a good degree of ignorance. I didn't know the course in miracles taught that i'd always heard they're good teaching about forgiveness us and so i've often praised course in miracles that we didn't teach forgiveness enough and they put it center stage but remember at the end of the bookworm talk about the four worldview. If what lee says is the case and i have no reason to doubt it. This is what i term the spiritual worldview. I'm not a body and almost taking delight in this is i'm not limited into my body. I could agree to that but saying i'm not my body. I am my body so it might be a stage of teaching. Doing i mean i think we've probably all were taught early. My soul lives forever. My soul is going to go to and and there are are ways that that's important so learn but that's early stage christianity. It seems to me when jesus who says you know store up things in heaven not in this world where rust corrodes and moth consumes it could appear that he's making making that distinction and member. I always say you gotta start with dualistic clarity body soul. He's trying to get us to see the invisible the non-tangible but then the final mature teaching of jesus is the two are operating operating as one in his body even allowing it to be crucified body that is resurrected. It's that's a it. That's no small point that his body is resurrected so yeah. If she says is true. I don't agree with that aw my body but i'm not only my body okay think it's dangerous any and i also i'm not familiar with of course in miracles but any ideology that teaches us that suffering and bodily nece isn't real feels like a dangerous foundation for a lot of the type of injustice oppression abuse that we see in our perfect answer to that yeah. I didn't respond to that but you did. Jesus didn't suffer from the cross because he knew i'm not my body. That's not true. I don't think i suppose to the things that make us. Most human like we've talked before about how much suffering connects us to each other how it opens up our awareness and brings us into you know. Transformative moments like to think sorry. I'm sorry delay. I'm thinking about childbirth and i'm like no that suffering was real that was very real all suffering and i was very much in my body through that childbirth process and yet you know on on my uh-huh and i did the whole hypno- birthing ladies like i i really worked on that like to be deeply relaxed all the rest of it but the idea that we're trying to extract the magazine scene s. or suffering out of the human experience when i i it just seems it seems antipathetic to this move toward healing and wholeness and softening and respect injustice and yeah yeah show me a person that you think is whole who was also not embodied right like everyone that i look up to him that way they there's this full acceptance of their entire humanness the whole the whole the wholeness of body and spirit together. I think whenever i face that that distinction a person especially in the spiritual world you can get the sense dance of they're trying to pull one over on me or it's <hes> bypassing to get to a spiritual truth that no now that doesn't have their weight behind it because it is separated from the human experience and on the other side you meet what we unkindly call anal retentive attentive people rigid people. They're always deeply repressing things in their body or their body breath. Always that is so obvious at my age people who even in their body movements experience you can see the resistance you can feel the repression yeah we have a question here from rachel ritual from lancaster pennsylvania and this will continue the thread of embodiment and also how others view us and how we view ourselves ourselves in a culture that has defined the ideal assimilate free thin and looking like less than perhaps one percent of humanity probably look how can we how can we reclaim the joy of our bodies embodying with joy and gratitude for the magnificence of very ordinary even that shows cultural even even that shows cultural bias non skinny yet fully alive and wonderful human bodies. I'm probably showing my own bias. I brought over this morning because i'm collecting a number of things ah bunch of pictures of when i was young and handsome and it's so neat not a need to be that way so maybe we need to listen to doc elders more who are who know they are their body can except in this case being overweight as i am right now because of this dang pill on well probably because i eat too much to those pills jelly beans all keep blaming it on on the pill but why doesn't it bother me is that laziness and i've been asking myself uh but my physical attractiveness simply i know now at a much deeper level is not me so do we need people who aren't we used to speak of these thin women as twiggy twiggy. That's before your time. That is a long. I know what you're talking about. Thirty years in the present twiggy is but it's it's not good. <hes> i was <hes> as you know recently in mexico and you'd see these lovely young mexican girls just gorgeous and it was so clear that culture that as soon as they have a baby they start broadly out you know you know is even pointed out to us ron mexico that that icon of our lady of guadalupe. She's a rather medium-sized mm sized woman and they said that is just affirmed. Some people have made this case in the whole mexican culture does your that's the ideal woman a woman who's born children and has her body to show show for it saw so our our model is very recent very limited and very condemning. It seems that part of our her issue here with bodily is also just change. We're so afraid of aging of changing of growing older and i feel like society has has created an ideal out of a young body whether it's male or women or female or any gender under it's the it's the use of you know thing that we're looking toward and <hes> just how unhealthy that is in terms of our own our own journeys of change change you know like how much how much disrespect it shows to ourselves to our bodily nece to the the whole way of everything for us to somehow try to freeze time on one particular segment of our lives as though we could keep it that way forever and i think kind of back to something you said paul like the women that i have met in my life if that are most alive and most free and i really want to emphasize the freedom because that is that is what is absent in our culture of bodily or body obsession in terms of being thin or young or beautiful. We're not free when we're living from that obsession but when you need me elder women who are free from that it's the level of relaxation that i feel in my body and then myself and the the the relaxed into being this period that i feel is so profound is such a gift and we need so much much more as an antidote to this madness. Yeah i mean in some ways the gift of baldness i think about thank acute being a young man who in bald after having long blonde hair you know i was often blowing yeah wavy and often. You have to bring some pictures paul. I should bring to this collection of. I'm just thinking richard for you like win win time type. Don't care you're right now. How did that transition happen for you. When you were able to kind of say you know what these standards set by by cultures and don't matter her somewhere in the sixties right. I knew it was an impossible game to try to look you know certainly when all my hair was gone and when i lost my boyish figure they say that begins at twenty seven are you on the other side of twenty seven. I am ha twenty seven. You begin to lose your boys figure but you you can't help but want to be attracted to go back to that because it's what the culture of myers so men face this too. It's not just women. Maybe it's not put on us right as much yeah. That's all i can. I also present a foil to this which is also another thing that i think we can fall into. I'll use myself as an example in my twenty six twenty seven range as i was diving headlong into contemplation and the mystics i sort of vacillated from indulging in my appearance to this opposite extreme of denying where all the sudden i thought the spiritual thing would be for me to shave my head and not care at all about how i look in a way which is true in some ways but i went to this extreme which i now lovingly call my contemporary of frumpy phase where it was like. How can i make sure that you can't see zia figure under here. How can i wear baggy clothing. How can i prove to everyone. I'm so spiritual by like not wearing makeup not carrying data and you know it was it was another extreme so somewhere between indulging and denying is a middle road of accepting and i think for women this is really hard because we we ve vastly. I think in contemporary virtual circles between wanting to deny our femininity not just the and i get like we don't want. I don't want to play into cultural obsessive norms right but i also don't want to collapse until like back to mike at temple to frumpy phases in a way what i was doing was denying my my femininity. I was trying to hide myself council of a catholic nun yeah. Dan wouldn't agree with every word you said because that's what we put on them this temporarily probably appropriate thing thing but imagine having to wear that your entire life and even to sleep in denying your femininity denying your embodiment pretending. You don't have breasts aggress. It's just horrible looking pretty for a day on. I don't wanna guilt myself of putting on mascara one night. It's like the archetypes have been so much of the virgin or the prostitute right this minute in those that have been like not an either or i am not an endangered territory here even just like naming that but like that's been like how far apart you fall into one category or the other and we we live from the i think i think that's part of the grief that i hear in rachel's question is that were paranoid or we're we're struggling linked to find the right avenue of just being in our bodies and to trust that this is good and to feel permission to express ourselves on occasion asian to want to get dressed up or not but not become slaves to it either. I think of the work of mir by star actually she's. She recently wrote a book about wild called mercy the feminine path she some amazing passages but in one of them. She says she says you know what she's like. Yes i meditate and i am one with the the beloved and sometimes i'm sorry i care about what my ass looks like jeans and and you know what it's just so humid her to admit that that when i read that i found found myself laughing and relaxing and saying yeah let's make sure that we hold freedom all the way through and find that middle path of acceptance as hard as it is. Oh speaking of the notes. I didn't even even realized this was coming up next. <hes> ernie from ontario canada wait is that california yeah co for so ernie from ontario california cornea is asking this very question on acceptance he says do we have something that is built in that distracts and blocks us from accepting that we are fully accepted and if we do how do we get rid of it. I think that is so real and that's why a guston who had a lot of sexual self hatred guilt coined that unfortunate phrase original sin. They're they're siesby. Siesby something inherent in the human being that obsesses over its imperfection which is an ego trip. What what what what makes me think. I in my separateness could be perfect and really what i would say. The only way to overcome it is union not private moral perfection but union with the whole body of christ. We are holy. We are good. We are christ aced. It's an act of solidarity with the whole that allows you to accept your your own private. Lee being just a part. I'm apart. I'm not the whole but our individualism here works against us again because we you wanna independently be totally acceptable so it is. It's an ego trip. I really think it is <hes> uh once we let go of that grain of wheat as jesus puts that set of boundaries then my wholeness is is in my connectedness not my private perfection on my private worthiness so he says is a built-in tin us well. I've called it the fly in the ointment that does seem to be a problem in the human mm psyche the human soul that sets us up for the drama for the conflict for the necessary tension yet it is very hard to accept that we are fully acceptable and i've met very gorgeous women women and good looking men intelligent man intelligent women who suffer from just as much and those of us were more ordinary sable search shirley. Why not you they do in fact. They almost have a race more to cover it up because they know that everybody projects objects onto them this. Oh you've got it all together and i can't ask you. What does that look like for you as somebody buddy who is people do up to come onto you. How do you handle that that that acceptance is not the acceptance that you're seeking. That's been a problem my much of my public life for thirty forty years that both people who hate me hate me for the there's probably some good reasons date me but the the one they picked out really isn't eh. It's their own problem projected onto me but on the other side those we love me and think i'm this little god if they only knew how emperor so you learn. You've heard me say this before you learn by the middle of life not to take either projection too. Seriously people think you're greater than you. You are and people who think your total hypocrite fool idiot <hes> neither of them are people who usually we know me and i think that's why we all long for someone who knows the real me warts and all and can still believe i'm lovable. Don't we all long for that a without that. I don't know there's ever grace to move ahead and we started with that. I certainly started with that with my mom and dad so i got off to a good start that the whole room lit up when i ran into the room you know little dicky's here were all happy and we pass them around and kiss him but then you spend the rest of your life wanting that moment to be repeated someone else to pass me around history yeah but it doesn't really you don't have to constantly have a perfect mirror in your life. It's enough if it's there a few times if you've never had it now i have met people who because they never had it even from from their parents do feverishly searched for it from god. I have met some people like that. They're wonders of nature but for most of us we need the mirroring from one other human being that fully accepts us in our loneliness as mary says in the money if he got the people who think wonderful who don't know who i am really doesn't do anything for me. Do you understand yeah but like you on the staff of seen how ordinary i am when you still put up with me. You're like me. I means much more and it's true for all of us. I think yeah yeah. I'm just thinking about two weeks the baby my my son is seven months old now and unlike the moment i walk into start smiling. Oh god that must make you you just they haven't done anything. I provide a lot less than his mother does. It didn't get even it's that he knows i don't yeah. I love what you said that. It doesn't have to happen all the time oh it does. It's enough that it happens where you have that felt sense of. I am fully accepted. Just as i am an could be enough fuel in the tank to go through a lot lot of walk through swamps and dark areas but only the contempt of mind will receive that be imprinted by that an own that if you like me you have to taste love. You have to enjoy love. You have to let that love be imprinted on you. I think to experiencing forgiveness like the fullness of that moment like and nowhere more from me than from my own children. I had last last week where i was feeling pretty good of my at like. You're actually pretty like i'm pretty great parent. My son soren who's nine was hyperventilating about something not literally but just being dramatic dramatic and freaking out about some homework and he's like oh. I don't know if i'm going to get its i walked him through this breathing exercise to slow him down to calm him down and we're doing tennis breathing exercise and i'm like man i am winning as a mom right now like doing so great and right in that moment as he's starting to calm down row in my six yes year old who's on the other on the bed in the room. He goes mom. You know what sound you make when you're frustrated and i was like no he goes uh-huh and then he did this gesture with his hands outstretched and his is up at the ceiling <hes> doing it. He didn't like four more times and it was so humiliating to realize like oh they've got all your life got me down and they're seeing all my crap and it just has i put them down on that night like i was so embarrassed and then actually just like was giving hugs and i was telling them at bam so sorry that you see me frustrated. Sometimes i'm sorry that i i'm i'm sorry i'm not more patient or more kind and the way that they receive that and look at me with love and say it's okay mama. I have hard as tu mama momma. It's okay and i'm just like that experience of a forgiveness that i think that helps me. I mean and it doesn't i feel like i can get to that acceptance within myself but when i see it in them i'm like okay. I don't know oh they know your ordinary ordinary and yet you're good okay. We're gonna shift gears a tiny bit here to talk about out a question from andy from atlanta georgia and he says i'm a lay minister and i encounter people who are so focused on issues of sexual immorality talk about the evils of secularism and the sexual revolution and how we need to uphold the church teaching on these matters. I never know how to respond how does this which is a concern for certain morals within the contemporary context. I know i've already. He quoted a twice but let me do it. Once more i find ken wilburs four-part distinction so helpful what he's talking. I came out here is the first stage and the first necessary and good stage which he calls cleaning up without an appropriate sense of boundaries self definition and even a the ability to say no to yourself. We call it the sacred no oh in men's work that's early stage. Morality needs to be if you can never say no to yourself. You actually news respect for yourself. You do <hes> constantly. Give in and you say. Is there anything anything here. That has some kind of inherent value. That's the meaning of the necessary sacred no so his parisioners christner's or are right in that we need to insist on a on a basic cleaning up. It's those those people who go further like paul says i was the best of the pharisees. He starts there with a kind of rigidity. I'm sure about all the jewish jewish laws but then as you continue to grow up you realize purity codes and that's the beginning stages of almost every religion. Don't touch this. Don't go there. Don't align yourself with that kind of person. That's it's at that is not yet love. It's the creating of the self what i call the first half of life so you got to do that. People who create an eagle are most prepared to let go of an ego. That's such a paradox so you want to affirm those folks but you better not make that the be all end all of christianity. Are you get into puritanism moralism. We used to call it in catholicism johnson ism it's it's all about purity codes and i think we can safely say jesus doesn't waste any time purity codes. He assumes bag you took care of that. In grade school and high school high school especially especially probably learning the sacred no learning appropriate boundaries. You know you have a right to protect your body and you don't invade eight other people's bodies nine. Oh that's that's takes the form of commandment which is the only thing seventeen year old can understand and filled with hormones. You may not do that as we had some mortal sin and now we say well you know. Are we really upsetting. God probably not but now we see that there's some real good social cultural reasons reasons wow so. Maybe your neighbors need you not to do that. And maybe you need not to do that. So we call it. Sin perhaps too easily so cleaning up as the starting place those who do that well will be most prepared to go onto growing growing up and that's most of your middle years starting i hope in college and going through the forties where you just learning more more and more about what works what's helpful what's real what harms what wounds <hes> we go down. All kind of dead ends we over identify with all kind of movements and groups. This is the only answer this one or that one one and usually the waking up. You're ready for the waking up around then. Who can we talk about pentecostal nationalism on the first day see there were there was there was a waking up experience but what they had to do is go back and clean coming up and grow up and most of them weren't willing to do that. They thought well. I'm awakened. You need all all stages. The the easy sequence is the one i named or ken wilber named cleaning up growing up then you're reading you know what waking up means and what it doesn't mean it doesn't mean you're better than everybody else. It means i on the father one and it's completely a gift of grace that is given to you which then thrusts you naturally not by guilt by shame not my obligation by duty duty thrusts you end of the fourth stage of showing up my god i've been given a gift of freedom and love and with this kind of freedom freedom love. The only thing you wanna do is handed onto other people so it's probably more answer than they wanted this. It's so oh helpful because i think culturally were obsessed with waking up but don't wanna deal with the other stages and especially i feel like in our in our millennial generation. Everybody wants the quick access route to mysticism and transcendent transcendent experiences without the discipline of the cleaning up an awareness of morality the capacity which you said if you don't say not yourself you lose respect for yourself. There is no discipline. I it seems couldn't be so extreme but it seems like there's such a lack of discipline in learning detachment or learning self restraint so then it just becomes this. Everything goes rose. Just find your bliss like on just going to have my i'm just gonna go find my transcendent experience of oneness and and then treat everybody ready like shit you know it's like and then be terrible person but look at me i i have my meditation and my transcendent moments i i was lucky my older brother gave me advice of to make sure that you say you're not make room for the bigger yes love your nose helped create that space to say yes a slow and it's it's a different spin on disciplined for me that has really helped hopefully for me in a way that that has created more potential yeah and you talk about richard that you know again back to our common about if this is a relational universe that we're swimming in then embodiment has to be about right relationship. It has could be about sensing the connectivity to the whole and living out of respect to that connectivity in some way. I feel like josh from portland. Asks a question that has to do with that connectivity as we wrap up here. He says my question for father. Richard is about his reference to the sacredness of the world environment airman humans animals. He mentions respecting protecting and loving it. I was just curious if he was subtly referencing vegetarianism or veganism since it impacts impacts global gas emissions poverty and animal abuse and i think his question here is you know pertaining to the bodies that aren't human and what is how do we need to be more responsible in our choices toward that relation to the whole once you learn the art of union and connection. It doesn't really matter what you're connected to. They all serve the same function and when your connection to an animal or to the earth or to a plant is serving the same function for your enlightenment as to another human being no because we haven't emphasized that people think the only meaning of the gospel is to love other human beings. I i guess i didn't have the gaullism vegetarianism directly in mind but i think that's very good corollary. I don't think we wanna now. Make a commandment out of it. That's that then you go back to the purity code level you know but that's some enlightened. People are gonna come to that conclusion that i just don't like ingesting animals. The whole impact tactic created the what it's doing to the planet by having so many i mean they're analysis is invariably right. Can't this can't continue if the world population is going to increase the way it's increasing so he's right. I always made a point of why didn't jesus ever wants emphasized diet diet at all aw i think because he saw the danger of making it into a purity code but i can't believe that he wouldn't have eaten an eaton very responsibly carrying -ly conservatively but just don't make a religion out of it. That's all by which you will judge other. People people and i must say very happily most of the friends in fact all of them that i have seen so free about it. You know all apologized. College is now. I don't eat red meat but because of my hat podlasie mea i need protein most meals so i have chicken or fish and i never feel feel judgment from my vegetarian friends and i don't even need to explain it to them. I think that the incarnation carnation worldview that you're inviting us into helps us to feel a greater sensitive embodiment and presence to our bodies in all of these ways that we've been talking about but one that comes to mind as we're speaking about food is the right relationship to food but also the right relationship to pleasure and joy and abundance and how much that is also a part of being embodied and as our closing question. I have a memory. You have a memory like this. I i have a memory of sitting on the beach of alexandria in egypt eating at the world's most perfect orange and i don't know why everytime time i think about this the sensation of pleasure of eating i can put myself right back there on that beach and i'm telling you that orange was like eating the sun and so i'm just curious richard as tha moment. Yes we close off this episode on embodiment. Do you have a moment of deep. Joy and pleasure in tasting food connects you in a way to everything you know just flashed into my mind was when i was giving a treat. I'm back in japan. <hes> <hes> and i'm back in my little room. The window is open and i'm looking at eye level at blowing in grasses. Instill i think it was the sensitivity of the japanese culture and made me more sensitive and everything is coming to life. Maybe it's where i'm out. I'm in my forties then that i just literally wanted to grab a clump clump that grass and eat it and ingest it it it was so beautiful. It was so wonderful <hes> it was so it whatever it is. I'm a part of it and it's the part of me. I don't think i did actually by. I imagine agean myself doing it and wanted to do it. In a way i didn't deny myself i finally got to the point where i could congest its beauty without really eating like tantric sex eliminate thousand episode title. You're welcome. Thank thank you richard. Thanks and that's it for today's episode another name for everything with richard this podcast produced by the senate for action and contemplation. Thanks to the generosity of our donors. 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148. In Loving Arms

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148. In Loving Arms

"Abbas tell you about a pretty fascinating podcast. It's about the comeback. It's worth a listen. First day back is the name of it. It's an amazing podcast about people returning from the hardest experiences of their lives. Last season was about a woman coming back from prison for shooting. Her own husband tell you come out of the gate with a Caesar one right there got new season dropping it's all about a comedian who died on stage. And I mean, I've done on stage. Iv bombed on stage, we call that dying out there. No, this is a comedian who actually died onstage his heart stopped for five minutes podcast shows, you what happened next check out first day back in your podcast app. Now and subscribe. So you won't miss an episode. Hello to all my fellow cool cats. It's beautiful and honest one hour one phone call no names, no holds barred. Radin no one on one. I think it'll be more fun, man. Hi, everybody. It's Chris Gifford. Welcome to another episode of beautiful on them. It's got to hear live episode happened in New York City. We are invited to be a part of something to cocoa house was one of my heroes Conan O'Brien at organized stage to be part. It's awesome. This is not a paid advertisement. But Cornyn I'm just seeing some offense Conan O'Brien News friend to new podcast here on the wolf's. Get your family podcast. And I listen to every episode and I'm obsessed with it. As long have been with Cornyn. I've been lucky to meet the few times. I'll talk to you more about the episode. You're back here in a second. I just wanted to one quick thing last week in the intro to the show. I said, hey, international listeners go in the Facebook group, tell me where you're listening from. And there's a threat and it exploded it's got almost nine hundred comets. Here's just some of the things that jumped out, I didn't know he had anybody listening in die go, South Korea or Hong Kong or Serna vodka Mexico. So many people listening in Perth Australia. Perth Australia's weirdly, the spiritual home of beautiful anonymous it stood guard Germany Maputo, Mozambique, people sitting in Oman and Doha Qatar Wellington New Zealand Malta, we got people listening in the small island nation of Malta. It's amazing. Thank you guys. All over the world for supporting this show. I cannot tell you how cool that is just at the end of the day. That's amazing. Thank you so much to all you guys. I wish I could read that whole threat, but it would take forever. This live episode. You're about to hear I tell you. I really enjoyed it. Usually with the live episodes. To stick to more light hearted, topics. It was a real challenge as a performer, but also such a cool call it's a to a mom who's raising a child and the child is figuring out who they are. And ultimately, I think this is a call about a parent who is decided I'm going to do whatever it takes to make sure my kid has a good life and the life they want it's pretty inspiring. And it's pretty amazing that it happened in front of a live crowd. And I thank everybody who came out. Thank everybody comes out to all our shows. And I hope you enjoy this call. Thank you for calling beautiful. Anonymous, a beeping noise will indicate when you are on the show with the host. Hello. Hi. Hi. So we're gonna fan Pearl right now. Everything's okay. I know, but you know, it's really bizarre. I was getting in the bathtub, and I have your book lose, well and opened up my son cocky store, mama to print something is. And I told them like, hey, look like what book I sold them as like oh shit. I gotta get online. Because I think tonight he's doing a live show to look at hearing him. We're. So we are you in the bathtub right now. No, I'm dripping wet with a rope sitting on my bed now because I had the puck. All right. Okay. Maybe wanna get electrocuted. You speak very fast. And I am overwhelmed by. Oh my God. I t o Cam the slow my roll right now. It's okay. I just want to let you know. I think you were told about this when you call then just full disclosure. This is a live show. I'm here. There's a think about two hundred people in New York City or with me, they're listening. They're going to help contribute questions. But I promise you. They're all nice and they're rooting for you. And we're all just going to have a good time together, right? I'm really excited because I have a ton of stuff on my mind, and I've been through a whole heck of a lot. So I'm excited to share some of it. Let me know what's going on. Where should we start tonight? Well, we are originally from Michigan. I was born and raised and my husband, and I initially when we first got married at both of us were at the age of twenty tried to have children few years later and were unable to compete. So we use donors firm to get pregnant. Everything was good. We had two beautiful children. And as our oldest got a little bit older. We noticed you know, some odd things were happening. He would stare off into the distance. He would kind of shake one of his body in through, you know, tons of different appointments with different types of doctors. We learned that he had epilepsy. That's no problem. You know, we tackle this together. And you know, we knew that there was plenty of things that we could do to assist him. So sure enough we put him on medication. We were able to control it, really. Well. Things were going. Okay. Other than my husband. You know, when we were both younger we would party together. I became a mom. So I pulled the rains in and I stopped partying. Well, my husband just kept going, and it caused a lot of problems change him an eye because you're I am raising kids, and he's still partying Houston iron worker by trade and often signs at work. You know, they would get fucked up. They would do all kinds of drugs, and he'd come home like that and numerous sites. Well, it got to the point where my oldest was I don't know maybe fourteen and my youngest was eleven and I just said to them enough is enough. I cannot do this any longer, and thankfully, I think with that scares he decided to put themselves into rehab and he got sober. Thank God in. He has been cleaned for two years. Awesome. And so, you know, with our son, you know, he had epilepsy. And I noticed he was sad a lot. And I always just talked up some of his actions as being a tomboy, but it came up to me. He one time we were sitting there. And you know, he had asked about what I felt about. If will, you know, somebody in our family or somebody we loved was gay. And you know, I was like, I don't know. It doesn't really matter to me. And so he told me that he was gay. And that's fine. You know that? I mean, whoever we love I'm gonna love to. So honestly kinda thought that situation not that it was behind us. But we were all on the same page. We're just gonna move forward. Well, depression, just ask elated, and it was out of control when night we were sleeping, and he came to me in the middle of the night. And he. Woke me, and he said mom, I wanna kill myself. And I it was like a springboard just like what the fuck is happen. I shouldn't me I have no idea where this Cape from some. Of course, you know. I. Cuddled them and wait until the morning, and we went to the hospital because I would open my going to do I don't know where to go, and they recommended a couple of different options. And so one of them was like an IOT which was like a daytime program for numerous fleet five days a week kids within his age group think it was thirteen to seventeen. And so we put them in there. And you know, what I forgot a really important factor at this point. He was still a girl. Okay. Wait. Hold on. Hold on. I know. I know I really upset up. Sorry. This is a lot out of the gate. This is a whole lot out of the gate, and I say that in an effort to get a laugh, but man, there's like I will tell you. This is like the we've this probably could have been four calls and worse in Syria. We're six about four book yet you've lived on a life out there in Michigan on. That's not. That's not the end of it. You just late buddy. I feeling I had a lick. Give me a second just process because. Okay. Okay. Here's a lot. There's a lot the first thing. I want to say is that I'm very sorry that you've dealt with so much of that. And it sounds like you're very strong. And I applaud you, and particularly I will say that you know, I have been very open about my own issues. And I've had that conversation with my mom that your kid how with you in the same way where I woke her up, and I know that that scared the shit out of my mom, and thank you. Good mom and being ready for it and helping and. You have no other choice. You love them. So. Yeah. That's that's not easy. So you said you just you just drop that. Now, what all this was happening. Your your son was a girl and at this point that is not the case. Well, you know, what it is is because I've come become so comfortable with who. He is that I don't second guess it at all. And so sorry for the rest of y'all that don't know him, but he was born a girl, and I guess that kind of goes back to the part where I had said, you know, he was a tomboy growing up and didn't think much of it. You know, I had fully loved I had flagged tomboy, and I'll tell you in my head. I was like that's not what tomboy means and turns yet again the ass hall look at that yet again. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, every time we'd go to McDonald's. It was like on the Barbie towel or I don't know the LEGO toy and definitely the blue LEGO toy. But didn't that didn't really matter to me. You know, you look Thomas the train. So what? Look grows come up Thomas the train. So when the gay issue came up. That's what I was thinking. I'm just thinking. Well, maybe he's just a more masculine woman. And so what you know. I mean, teach their own which got to do and dress. What you want to dress actively you wanna act I still love you. But then when we put him in that program is when the truth came out, and you know, so thank God for the program to some degree. Let me ask you something just on a basic level. And I'm not trying to deal this down to a bullet point. And I'm not trying to put a bow on it. Because I'm sure for everybody involved. There's a lot to wrap your head around. And I'm sure that doesn't go away quickly on a basic level. You went from having a child who is suicidal is your child, happier. Now living this truth is is that less of an issue. Okay. Yeah. There is no issue with him feeling completely content with who he is. It's just unfortunately, some people at our society are asshole. And that's where the only problem lies within his life living as a guy is just people. I kind of wish that was the end of the conversation. If I'm being honest in a cultural sense, like that's the thing is like when someone says like when you tell me that I wish I hope that's the thing people here because I know, and I respect that. It's a hard thing for people to understand. I think for a lot of us. This is a hard thing that that that only within the past generation has this become a public conversation as public as it is. But when you hear oh, there was a child that wanted to kill themselves. Now don't want to because they've embraced the fact that there are different gender than they were born with I feel like that end of conversation. Doesn't matter if you fuck and understand it if a kid. Is not hurting themselves anymore. I wish that was the end of it for of people. I know. And he no. And now that I look back in retrospect them just like, oh, that's my heated. We would put pigtails in this hair. He would cry. That's why you know, he would constantly want a super short haircut. And you know, me traditionally when he was born I'm thinking everybody's paying dresses, you know, all the stuff. And so that's what I did with him not knowing but to him if I would've known I mean, right out of the gate seriously. If this would have been a topic of discussion, you know, fourteen years ago more publicly, I'm it might have dawned on me. But wasn't it sound you sound like a real good mom and thank you for that. You sound great. I I think I wanna just apologize ahead of time. Just because you are on a phone to me if I mixed up at which point. Which point this transition happened or the direction it happened? I do apologize. I know you said. Born female has embraced being male. And at what age did this transition happen? Fifteen right now, he's actually sitting right next to me is such a cool kid. I think you know, we probably started discussing it at about twelve ish up. But like I said, you know, we're originally from Michigan. But like your and a half ago packed up our family, and we headed south to Texas. We wanted a new life with my husband's at you with him. He we were in a small town and everybody knew him as a girl. I mean, we have nine cousins that were in the same school district. You know what I mean? So in order for him to progress into we wanted to be there was no way at how we could stay in four thousand people town and view the. And with my husband. You know, I mean to be sober and still the amongst all the same people doing the same stuff. There was no way that was going to be successful. At least. That's what how I felt. You know what I mean? Yeah. Wow. So did you did you say where you headed to I missed it? So you were in Michigan. Now, you're in Texas in a lot of people are like why the hell do you? Go to Texas. Looking to say, let's get our our progressive family out of Michigan and had notorious liberal bastion. That is Tex his. I'm going to be completely Frank with you. I am not a political person. Never put you into together with that. I have no idea why never really traveled outside of Michigan. I'm just thinking, you know, the where we're located. I mean, I'm gonna say it w area. Huge huge. Let something I'm just thinking of massive population. There's gotta be people like somewhere, you know, what I mean? Wow. So you just yeah. My husband you had an opportunity to work. So that's awesome. You just said my my husband needs to get out of this head space, my kid needs a new new reset button needs a new chance at life. Let's up route everything get the fuck out of here. Protect our family. Exactly, none of the shit mattered and more. Yeah. I like you. You're a good mom. I like that. I like you too. But I love listening to you when I'm at work every day. I've just I looked around his, you know, I'm gonna Cuba quote. I look like who you just hear that like they're like, they're listening. You know, but they're not like nobody wrote that that was so cool. I just love the way you think you're such a cool cat. Can't cut. You can't just see, you know. I just wanted to happen here in the room in New York City, which was as you referred to me as such a cool cat. I did nothing. I stood totally still with the same expression on my face. And you heard the crowds start laughing at the very idea that I am a coat. Cool cat. You heard people just laugh at that. That's what you. Some good you'd think cat. I want to read. There's there's a couple of things coming in from our audience here. Our live audience tonight Jacobs says tell him NYC says what's up and supports the shit out of him. That's a good thing. That's coming in. That's a good one that we just oh Jacob also wants to know, what did the rest of your family think? I think that that's a good question. Because I tell you that when you think Michigan ironworker, I think just again, maybe it's the ignorance of northeastern liberals. I don't think we're thinking that's the most forward thinking pocket from out for a kid to trans-. Yeah, you're correct. In thinking you hoping for reason, maybe my husband wasn't sober the beginning of this fertile because he had to come to grip, you know, and. Kind of. Then, you know, do everything on his own one definitely no part of him as any seminary at all. And so two trying to drop down a few pegs and these sincere and gentlemen, kind going through his sobriety and going to meetings and getting real with people and connecting and all that kind of stuff. I really think that is what got him to a place where he is right now, which is love and compassion. And sometimes they even think maybe even more than me like sometimes maybe if I don't stick up. He's like why the hell didn't you say something, you know? And I'm like, well, I don't know. I just think about it. But yeah, let me ask you this long you head to Texas, and a part of this is so that your son can kind of live a new life. You said that everyone was in the same school system was aware of this transition. It was a little impossible to just let this be at. Maybe maybe. Shed some of the past and move on. When you go to Texas is this something that when your son's going to school is this something you're not telling people or is there an effort to build like a support system. Is there anything to be like, you know? With our family and stuff, you know, would be decided to leave Michigan. We sold our home and every single thing that we owned except for one local and we bought a fifth wheel. And we packed what we thought we would need. And that's how we traveled here. So we initially set up shop it a Brown. And like, I said, you know, I have another child she's eleven and so oftentimes, unfortunately now looking back she was put on the back burner because we had you know, epilepsy. We have my husband, we had my son, and she just rolled with the punches. And she's she's a great kid. She supports my son fully, so the four of us definitely our support system. So when we first got here, and I enrolled him in a public school. I did go in front of them go before him, and that was counselors and so forth. And I was like, hey, this is our story. This is what I want for him are you on board. And absolutely they were and the first high school. He went to there was no issues because there was so much diversity on every different level that he was just another kid, and it was perfect. So, you know, at first it started out very very well for him in public schools. That's cool. Now, you said at first the first school. So that denotes that there's a second face to this story that worries me a little bit. Well, yeah, we we moved there. And we were in the in the area that are at the has lifted different apartments. And you know, they had talked about this permanent being up and coming in Hulu cool area family friendly in the rebuilding it. So I was like sweet this is this is odd. Then I put money down. We are waiting. They told us a deadline of October fifteenth to get to move in. So we're just hanging tight in the fifth wheel actual fifteenth rolls around and the purpose out ready. We've got a couple of weeks. You know that we've gotta kind of wait. Hey, no, problem, whatever they're gonna put us in a hotel. And so my husband's Chuck got broken into all of his work, tools, got stolen. There was nowhere for me to cook in the sperm or in this hotel. It was you know, it was just two beds, and whatever. And so. I would get one of those like skillets, and I would put it in the bathroom, and I took a picture myself. I was pretty frigging hilarious because I would sit on the toilet. And I would cook in the skill. It was pretty funny. Head to make it happen. What would have with the toilet say that one? Really? I wanna make sure I got that. You don't wanna those like, I don't know not a Hopley, but like a steal at you can cook on you would you know, hot play toilet to cook. Yes. I there was no room. There is no one other. That could accommodate the hot plate. So I would sit in the bathroom and cook dinner because it got expensive eating out. We'll come we what kind of meals are you cooking play toy? Wonder if any of our advertisers this week or selling hot plate toilets? We'll have to wait and find out. But you know, what that means you have to listen to all the following adds to see the products and services, they are offering. He's the promo codes helps the show when you do it'd be right back. 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So when you come out and your husband, your kids are sitting in the hotel room, and you come out with a big plate of spaghetti and that bright red sauce, and you come traipsing out of the bathroom is everybody. Like, oh that looks good. Is that the reaction or people like? Yeah. What's we're not traditional? We're kind of. Oh, you're not hooked up. Now. Normal. You don't sit that you're not traditional? I I wouldn't go by myself the family that drops everything who's to a campground to support their new family structure. Yeah, you're not traditional, but I think even non-traditional people don't always take it to toilets spaghetti. I think that's that's a whole level of non traditional. Although Mark in the crowd does point out sound sort of like a New York City apartment. I wonder how much rent was it is for sure I have friends who have not had kitchens in their apartments. They played they pay two thousand dollars for. Isn't that sick? I don't know any do it. I don't know. I don't know. We're we're paying a pretty penny here. Want staying in Texas for apartment, but okay, hold on is what it is. If you don't want to go here. You don't have to because I know it's personal in when you're paying a pretty penny. How much are you paying for what amount of space, and I believe you said that Dallas forth worth area, correct case? So how many bedrooms, we talk, and it's a three bedroom apartment three bedroom apartment. How much is a pretty penny. How much does that go for Dallas Fort Worth twenty five hundred twenty five hundred for three Vedder? I'm telling lady New Yorkers throwing chairs across the room. Right. People are punching each other fuck and face all sorts of New York chaos unfolding to five hundred dollars that doesn't get you a storage space in New York City, three veterans Michigan. It would have been seven hundred bucks, you know, to lie three bedrooms twenty five hundred. Hundred what neighborhood do you get that in New York? These days. People just go Bushwick and Brownsville Google does America Koogle those in that three bedroom Bushwick, you're going to be living with three poets to visual artists spread throughout the bedrooms. Fetterman sorry. I've never been to New York. So. People are saying only imagine here's some of the feedback from our crowd. Jacob don't put this someone saying I really need to make a I need an artist to make a cool cat. Get says slow down. Poster. No, we don't need. Laura says I'm not gonna lie. I'm re I really want spaghetti. Now. I liked that. Engine has a weird request Andrew feel free to sink when rata or any sexy memoirs. You may have I'm going to go ahead and say weird, man. Jesse? I like this one a lot I work for the health department, and I don't sanction cooking in the bathroom sky says plane ticket and a suitcase, and oh, here's an interesting question. Someone wants to know Jesse Lee again wants to know. What do you know about your sperm donor? That is an interesting thing that came up that people are asking more about. Well, how we narrowed it down and we weren't giving. I'm I'm just going call like a big binder full of different people at didn't. They were labeled letters and numbers. So it wasn't a name of a person. And so we took we'll call it two hundred of these people that had donated their skirmish, and we narrowed it down by traits that my husband has so you have to I color. Okay. So you have a folder with two hundred options, you're matching characteristics to general your eye color haircut. Your house how many of the two hundred and that folder just say college kids strapped for cash. None. I don't know any of that. None that doesn't solid zero men. How much did they tell you? Did. I tell you this. Do they tell you the profession? Do they tell you like your hobbies and really? More like, you know, like I said the traits, and then it would be college education. Maybe what they made in jobs family health history was very important to us that was high on our list. So we were able to narrow down I don't know to about ten just based on my husband's traits, and then from there, obviously we wanted an intelligent child. So that took precedence and we were down to we'll say about three. Okay. Then, of course, health history and Whampoa bamboo. We got one. Yeah. And so we purchased enough that we can have multiple children. So then we kind of almost like paid a storage fee held on some until the time was right for us to conceive a second child. Wow. And do you still have any stored or you Don is to enough? You were done John. Nope. Yeah gun. Yeah. You've I'd say you've you've you've put in the work as a parent, thus far it's fair to say. Yup. Yeah. So. Hey is your husband's still an ironworker? Yup. He is what does that tell while in Michigan? He did more of what they call connecting. So he would climb up the iron up top and connect, you know, major pieces that were coming out like on a crane and then building them on. And so we hold on building buildings. You said he'd climb up to things and they're cranes at he'd connect the iron pieces. Yeah. It's a piece with swing in. And he's strapped in and then he would bolt in that piece and move onto the next how high up is he strapped in these buildings. Are we talking skyscrapers shoot? I don't know, man. Like, I don't know my feet and all that kind of stuff, but me way up there like a hospital, we'll say so he's a building strip in iron comes flying in from a crane. He has to weld it in on the spot in the sky. I'm glad I'm a. The that sounds terrifying. That's like my nightmare job is he one of those guys like from the old time he picture where he sits on a girder and eats from a lunch pail. He liked that. He brings his lunch. No. But I mean, he's the guy that sits up there. You know, he's the modern lineage of that old timey photo that is sold on the streets right in this neighborhood. But if you think about it too like, I had both you before he was not sober and more times than not because I didn't want any of that stuff around me the kids or in our home, then he partaking that while he was at work, of course. And you said you said, it seems sorta like a thing that the coq part of the culture of being an ironworkers you get fucked up you had kind of indicated that really. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean God. God bad. Now, they he's sobering. You know, we'll discuss some of it with me. But yeah, I mean like once was like a spread of pills. We'd coke beer now on the job. Oh, yeah. So you're telling me that the guys building Bill is they're all getting Zoot it up on coke. And then clawing up those girders like Spiderman and welding metal together in the sky. Yup. That's like half and half. Like, the most fun gem. Let's I've never cocaine myself. Full disclosure. I'd tell you if I had, but I would imagine that. Yeah. I would imagine. Sometimes just to get the gumption to go up high in the sky. It's like, yeah. I'm gonna snort a mountain coke before. I go to this crazy ass shit. Well, I mean, they would work, you know, sixty eighty hours a week. And I'm not saying that you should do it. Because of those reasons, but I'm sure that part of what they were doing was to stay awake and thing out the overtime and make money to support their habit. That sounds like a hard job. That's like one of those jobs. You don't even think really exist anymore. But it does. That's crazy shit. That's dangerous. Yeah. Gary very dean. Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. As a wife. Yeah. I would imagine you got a lot of shit to worry about. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Seriously. But do meditation has helped meal whole heck of a lot. You said your vacation or your vocation? Meditation. Okay. Thank you for instantly. Correct. Eight unison feel very insecure. Now, you had said you kind of got sidetracked. I think I think you were telling us that as your son switched to a second high school that some things maybe didn't go as smoothly as this true actors that apartment that we were waiting for that we moved into we had no idea it was on a a major college campus. So we move a family of four amongst a ton of college kids. Hurrying constantly. Oh my God. It was insane insane. So you're on these blocks. That's just all like party houses. Like, you're on frat row. Oh my God. Yes. Like, I would work nights and come home, and it would either be vomit or blood with dog shit or wait. That's trash. You can't let it talking everywhere. College kid problem. Other was everywhere. Yeah. I get it. But that's dogs. That's not college kids college kids, you know, that quintessential college experience -ment where you you drink and you throw up on the streets. And then you just let your dog shit everywhere, and you walk away. That's not like as much like an animal. How Strope as the other ones you're describing. One time. I get you have a dog. I'm just having fun time. We put my little littlest one out to take the dog out. So we go down. Multiple flights stairs we walk outside. And we walk out here. We see a dildo laying in the road. And yeah. Oh, saying that in your sweet Michigan. Mom accent is a true joy. There's a Gildo in the road. Can you say it one more time? There's I build oh in the fucking road. You believe that there's a can we can we please take a note? Jared potential episode title. There's a dildo in the fucking road. Wow. So as a mom it instantly has to become a dog toy that we're not going to touch on. We're gonna keep walking past. Excuse me. That was my first sense of my daughter. I had to describe it my daughter what it was his she here. She's got question. So. Looking dog. Boy, I don't know. How how does that conversation? Go walk me through it. So we're walking and she's like that. It's a dog toy keep walking don't touch it. Like that. To go somewhere that is calm, and peaceful and happy that's what I want for you. Oh my gosh. Kim rude dildos in the rook. Amanda in the crowd know, what color was the dildo. Ride read it will never excape my mind. Never scare members. Or we're talking like a reasonable size dildos this one of those cartoonish Lee, large red dildos. Large shoot sided. What was large what to knighted hated a double headed red dildo in the middle of the road? Yeah. That's a dot toyed. Keep walking. How old was your daughter? When this happened. The nine and a half nine and a half. Wow. Yeah. That's a shock and peace of life right there. That right again, we got such that started with me saying, so what was this shift in schools like an ended with us going on a long tear about a double headed dildo in the middle of the road. Well, my point being is this apartment was fucking crazy. So I kept bitching and bitching ambition that I wanted out of the lease. And they weren't listening to me so one day of taking the dog out and I walked past like their main office, and there was like a huge conference table, and I could tell 'cause they were in suits and dresses that it was like a corporate meeting of some sort and I had worked all night long, and this is super early in the morning. And I called my husband, and I was like holy shit. There's a bunch of big weeks down at the office. I'm gonna go fuck and say something like do it do it. I was like all right. So we hang up, and I walk in the office. And I'm five foot two pretty cheap. And I acted like I was seven foot three hundred pounds slam. My hands down on this conference table with a shit ton of people, and I was like my students here this apartment is so fucking on faith for my kids into oil. Well, oil, you know, I went off. And he's like, ma'am, ma'am. Do you wanna come in the office and speak? And I was like, oh, yeah. I do. And I almost everything that was wrong with the apartment. So needless to say, they let us move out with no penalty. Oh, don't laugh at the edge. The laugh at the I liked that. I'm five foot two, and oh, I found it dildo in the road. And I went in there and slammed my hands on the table. It's it for everybody. And then at the end, you just go he he he. I like. I think my ears of frustration. I just let it rip. That's fair. Andrew in the crowd points out. I called him weird for wanting a Roddick, and then we did get a double headed dildo story. No kidding. No kidding. So we moved you to a nicer community, but felt more like our hometown. But on a bigger scale. And so we unrolled the kids in that school district because we had heard it, you know, it's good schools that people all the stuff, and to be honest with you the school kind of has more of like, you know, it's football cheerleaders jocks and a lot of that. So he does struggle because there's not nearly as much diversity in this particular school. I feel safe as a mom, honestly. Because of the environment we live in versus where we were at before. But as far as making friends and stuff, it's definitely been more of a challenge. Right. So you moved from a very diverse school to some that's more like the traditional like Friday night lights. Berge in Texas that we hear it. Exactly. Yup. Doubt. All right. And it works for my youngest. You know, she I mean, she loves all that stuff. And so as a mom sometimes you get torn. Yeah. Like. Who am I doing the right thing for who in you know, this frigging decisions all the time? Well, it sounds to me, and I feel like this crowd agrees that you're you're rolling with a whole lot of punches in some beautiful ways. We have some some feedback crowd. Mattie says you should have slammed that dildo down on the table and that big meeting that would have gone while. Oh, and Laura brings in. I think is really interesting. You mentioned at the top of the call that you used to party as well, Laura says I'd love to hear a crazy story from the callers young Mary days before kids sounds like there would be some good ones. Oh, shoot. You want to leave them? I have to tell my child to leave the room. If you're out there listening, ask your kids to come back into the room and say, hey, would you like any of the following products and services that are about to be advertised on your favorite podcasts? Beautiful. Anonymous, check these out use the promo codes be right back. We all need someone to talk to a person who can support us through rough patches or even the everyday ups and downs of life. That's where talk space comes in talks base. 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'cause you can get out in the middle of a river and act like assholes, and there's nobody around they'll lawn forcement. And so we did this every year with I don't know maybe thirty people, and you would get ting. We drink our asses off. I mean, I could put away beer that. I never knew that I put away like on a regular day. There's no way that I could consume that much. But canoeing. Yeah. I've put the hurt on beer, and then we would be you know, smoking joints. And I'll kind stuff, well, I get so fucked up that when the canoes would be tied together between two canoes. There was almost like a gap like a V. We'll call it. You know from the understand what I'm saying. Okay. So I would get in the water in. I was pretty limber. So troubling. In. So I would like I don't know like flip upside down and kind of do like a handstand. And. My bathing suit bottom, you know, they'd be really far up my ass. And I don't know I just acted like a fool or one time when we pulled over into canoe it it was a muddy area. I covered myself head to toe, bud. I was pretending like I was SAS clause. And I was like. I mean. Crazy shit. We have it on video. That was pretty funny. You have this quad video don't you? At what age do you show the kids that would never never is that a thing. I didn't know that was in fig you say that that's the thing in Michigan. Let's all get tie some canoes together and give fucked. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a very big thing. Wow. Yeah. Jake, really good time some interest crafty back that's Texas. Baby clear is full hearts, read dildos. There you go. Andrew wants to know did you vote Beto or or cruise? That oh. Initial reaction from New York at the mention of the word cruise was pretty pleasurable. Right. I guess that's not so shocking with the life. You've been living the past few years that you would support Beto aerobic. Hey, we've got about seventeen minutes left. I've really loved talking to you. Where should we take this for the rest of the time? You got you always have so much to say. Well, you know, I feel like with my son you, unfortunately, I feel so sorry for him. But he's very well endowed. And so having you know, large breath is a good giveaway. Unfortunately on. He's ready to obviously, get them babies. Aw. But as a mom, none of us. We do currently do testosterone injections. You know, it's kind of like the first major step for him. And it did take us a little bit to decide if that was going to be something we wanted to do it fifteen and there's no doubt in my mind. I mean, I'll be honest with you, Chris I feel like sometimes, you know, some people it might not be a forever thing for them to be transgender. I don't wanna. Say anything nasty about anybody? 'cause everybody's feelings are so foul it, but I know one hundred percent this is how he feels. Unfortunately, he got dealt a little bit of a shitty card to begin with. But I want him to flourish that kid is so fucking smart and so beautiful so crying and so loving. So I'm willing to do almost anything. But that hurt to me. Feels really scary. It's like a juror surgery. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I have a friend of mine. Just got their top surgery. I believe that's the phrase, right? Yeah. And that's correct. Yeah. And they've been posted on Instagram and. I said to my friend friend of mine who is you know, they've posted a publicly, and they are so employees figures, my friend Mallon I remember ran into mountain David posting pictures, and now can take their shirt off in probably been posting shirtless pictures, and I was like we have the same Bill. We have the same Bill. It's really it's it's like the we had a good laugh about that. Connecting like, oh, yeah. We got the same build. Now. It's pretty interesting that her now, wait or him to do that that while really you're looking forward to it. And so is this is this because of the level of comfort and happiness that you're seeing means that it's you got to go full. Steam ahead. Oh, yeah. For sure. You know, the depression thing it still is. I mean, it just because of life itself, you know, even myself I deal with it. I think most people if you're not human. I mean, if you're human you have, you know, significant issues that the press you and so forth, and his are just can all out of his control. Unfortunately, it's just people around him so to remove those and have less of the looks, you know, and he's a love to swim. But now, there's no way I can't force him to do that. There. How the hell do you? I mean, I bought like a Speedo tight s slim who and then bought the guys shorts and a guys like what top suit, you know, thinking so that there was multiple layers. But it it doesn't hide it. And that's and that's physically a lot. That's that's uncomfortable to cover yourself and tie yourself down every day. That's hard. Yeah. Like today. He wore my husband's a big guy. And he wore his MSU sweatshirt to school at it was like, and you really aren't a double X L. But I get why he's doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I feel like there's a lot of people who are going to listen to this. This is where they're going to draw the line, right? And I'm sure you run into this all the time. Someone goes how do you know about doing something? That's so life changing so young, but it is really beautiful. I mean that that speech you went on about your love for your son was one of the most beautiful things I've heard in the course of this show. And I think that sort of sums it up. Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't want any bad things to take place for him. And that's what my biggest fear is. You know, when he leave home. I'm not gonna be able to watch you steps in front of them or give these son of a bitches dirty looks at, you know, Kroger wherever we're shopping have you like don't fucking look at him like that, you know, he's gonna have to do this all on his own. And it scares the daylights out of me. I think honestly, my biggest fear. We've had numerous conversations was if he's in the situation once he does get the top surgery, and maybe he's getting sexual somebody. He has to let the person know right up front all because there are people out there that are gonna freak the fuck out not knowing that in advance. So how do you do that hold up a big fucking sign who ago posted? But dude. Can we make out? I mean, how do you do that? Yeah. That is mind boggling, it's one of the it's one of those situations that. It's like you as a parent have lived such a different experience, and it must be. So it must be so scary to realize, oh, there's certain things. I don't know the answer to and your kids want you to answers. But how could you possibly how do you? How do you know? How do you know? How do you know what to say you don't? And I all these people that are so against getting. And they think they know everything it really angers me because they have not lived in our shoes because I tell you what no person which shoes to go through the shit that he's gone through intentionally because it's been a bugger. I mean, it's been hard for him in do you really think anybody in their right mind, which shoes that for themselves? If it wasn't legitimate. Can you help? Can you be like that was somebody coming through people are crying out loud? Yeah. It's really I the older again. It's like I still can't wrap my head around the fact that you could just look at a whole group of people would go. We'll that's wrong. It's like people aren't people aren't wrong for being people. What are you talking about? It doesn't it just doesn't compute. It doesn't make sense. And this goes, I feel like the same thing for like immigrants, and when you when you hear about that the other big one right now where it's like, what are you talking about? How are these invaders? And I I know I know people get mad at me for going political. But it's like how are these invaders? And then when you see the actual pictures, it's like a set of parents with three year old child and they're walking hundreds of miles for safety. Like, how do you turn off your ability to see an individual? So you can cling to your feeling about a group. I don't get it. I don't get it. Right. And you think about. It. I mean, my situation is different. But it's not different. I'm protecting my kids. Just like they are. I would go to any extreme to protect my child. And that's what those beautiful people are doing. When you came on anybody. I have to say you say any extreme. I weirdly believe you. I would how far will it take this? Oh, I don't know. Throw something at me. I'll tell you. Yes. Or no. But I'm probably going to be a yes. Five thirty two inches of killing machine. When it comes to protecting the people you love like that someone out here. Sarah says momma to mama caller urine. Inspiration. How about that? Andrew says if you don't run with sasquatch you run from sasquatch. Oh, a man does asking does your son. Is there is there any sort of trans community you've found as your as your son finding support within a larger trans community? Yeah. Definitely that was really exciting. When we first moved here. There was a teen group that I kind of enrolled him, and I guess and made lots of friends initially, but then met a boy, and you know, the headed off they dated I would drive them to the mall. They need or go to the movies and stuff, but they ended up breaking up. So he felt really uncomfortable going back and try to convince him, you know, that's part of life. And you know, he's still can meet other people, but he chose not to go back. So at this moment. No, he's not participating. But I really look forward to the day that he can be with like minded people. Yeah. Yeah. Is he thinking about college yet still a couple years away? Oh, yeah. I mean this kid draws like I mean, his drawings are amazing. And he's into digital are his dream of going to Cal arts. But you know, what do we see? He's a sophomore right now. Yeah. Just got us. First job. He's a a Bagger at a grocery store starts Saturday. Wow. That was. The new year emotionally touched by that specific part in a way that I have to sit that melted. The iron hearts of a room full of New Yorkers that your teen is job as a Bagger that starts on Saturday. Why that of things did that get a huge? Aw. What did he keeps going out into the Scientology and doing something for himself? You know, it's not cool. I know that's fucking cool. That's fucking cook. I know, hey, what's that like in general even outside of any any elements of your sons specific situation when you see your kid go on their first date that must be so weird. And when you see them have their first heartbreak as a parent, are you just like going behind closed doors crying your eyes out for them? I mean like to go on a gay. I'm probably a nerd because I'm like, okay. Get a picture, you know, and I'm acting like do your hair this way, we're at the cool sugar. Don't help out like that. But heartbreak to be honest. I think I'm I'm not a softy. I'm just like suck it up because these are life lessons had to be coddling and kind meat and all this stuff. All these other reasons that I'm like, you know, you'll meet another one. Suck it up another. I just had a vision of my parents, it a nineteen ninety-five just listening to the Smiths faintly behind my closed bedroom door wondering how bad they must have been. Oh my God. I when I would break up or get dumped when I was young we still had cassette Tate. And so I would go in my room and played the same journey song over and over to make myself cry and I look at myself in the mirror be like, oh, you poor thing. Let's see you induce crying. So you could feel bad for Amir but journey song. God. I can't even remember if you set it. I would. No, I don't know. There wasn't don't stop right. Because that you would know that. The crowd is now shouting the names of different journeys sons. I do like knowing that there's some journeys on you've forgotten but some day if you just have the radio on in your car that comes on. You'll just instinctively break down in tears in your kids will be like what the fuck is going on. What is going on? It's I we know why are you crying news? It's going to be very. Yeah. It'll go from in my car like limpest get to journey from Madonna limp. Biscuit corn. Anything like that? Yeah. Big limp biscuit fan. It's not like huge. But I don't fit music five foot two mother to from Michigan Bracken out to some red. Hot chili peppers is my favorite red hot chili peppers that. I buy that. I like I would have loved it. If you're on YoM all about the nookie, I'm all about the nookie with that cookie shelf up here. People now just suggest the song in loving arms. A popular suggestion. I do miss those. That sounds what? That sounded right that in loving arms. Would you know, it if you heard it? Oh, yeah. I probably would cross anyone in this crap. We'd know the lyrics to the song in loving arms to anyone willing to come. And sing it on this on my phone. I do not never heard this people clap clap and come forward. Hey, there's a second microphone. I made fun of it when I up here. But it looks like it was here for a reason the whole time is there anyone willing to come and sing in loving arms by someone are you coming for? No, that's that's a photographer. Trying to get the shot a photographer rushing. Because is there anyone of this people's friends now egging on caller to you need this in your life? Yeah. Like desperately few one thing for me. Please desperately one thing this beautiful mother who picked up everything up rooted everything to protect her her son to protect her husband needs someone in this crowd to sing in loving arms by journey. I would do it myself. But to my knowledge, I have never heard this is there anyone in this crowd willing to get up here and blow our minds vice it, and no one is taking the bay caller, not one person. Thanks. Thanks. A lot look at that three minutes. Two minutes and forty five seconds of me. And you just being a United together in our icy. Because people clapped that's the thing. That gets me mad is people do know it. They're just choosing not to be a part of it. I don't blame him actual. Oh, you know. And I thought about numerous times 'cause I like I'll Trump on the computer, and I'll just start jotting down like things, you know, that as Ben through and he's been through we've all been through. And I like will compile all these thoughts. And you know, I just I there's something nagging at me that I need to do something more to help other kids because I hear this all the time. I couldn't tell you numbers by no means, but we lose a lot of children because of their depression in you know, they can't come out to their families or they're living on the streets because people don't accept them. And it needs to change we need to love every one period. I am with you on that. I will I will echo you and say, I believe everything you just said is one thousand percent, you I will also say on my end not to bring up my own stuff or to or to make it about me in any way. But you mentioned that the topic on. I just want to say if you are someone who's out there, and you are depressed. Wake wake someone up. I woke my mom up. Your son woke you up wake someone up and tell them what's going on. Because people want to help more than you know. And that say it was a little jarring for me to hear that story from your end. Because like I said, I was on the other side of it and. Brought me. Got someone who says open. It's actually called open arms update. The song is called an art that that many. Carly can. Open ours. Is there anyone who is willing to sing open arms by journey? We have forty two seconds left. And no one saying the bay it would be the most amazing ending to this episode ever. And instead what we'll have his me awkwardly begging for it to complete nod in conclusion, we also have Jesse says Fred Durst told fourteen year old me that my teeth were fucked up. Fuck limp biscuit, another studying contribution from our caller. We've got twenty seconds left. I love what you just said. 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035 - Kat Penno & Andy Bellavia - AirPods' Role in Tackling Hearing Loss

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41:49 min | 10 months ago

035 - Kat Penno & Andy Bellavia - AirPods' Role in Tackling Hearing Loss

"Hi I'm your host Dave Camp, and this is future ear radio. Each episode we're breaking out thing one cool new findings that's happening in the world of. The world voice technology power. These worlds starting to intersect power these worlds starting to collide. What cool things are gonNA come from this intersection of technology. Without further ADO. Let's get on with the show. All right, so we're joined here today by two awesome guests. In two very different time zones, so we have cat pano, and we have Andy Bell via so cat. Do you WanNa? Start us off and introduce yourself a little bit about who you are and what you do. Show. Hey, guys, Hey! Going as I said I'm Katherine Perfect Cap. I am an audiologist based in Perth Western Australia. I view myself as more. Suppose a communication expert or digital tech. Consultant not just an audiologist happen to have the skills in hearing and hearing accessibility. But really utilizing the tools of the digital age take. Clients. Engage hearing loss in the hearing experience Serena. And thanks for having me on your podcast excited to talk about Hopefully and you're also located in Perth Australia. So you're thirteen hours ahead, so it's. We're recording right now. It's five thirty in saint. Louis, five thirty and Chicago where India's and it's wet, six thirty there six thirty. Good Morning. Good Morning Andy Welcome back now like this is like your fifth episode so for anybody that doesn't know you. Why don't you just reintroduce yourself a little bit? Sure and it's always a pleasure to be back Dave. Thanks for asking me My name Sandy. Bella v I worked for no score were supplier, small microphones and speakers for hearing aids most of all, but also here devices, music, ater phones and mobile phones, and the like and devices music earphones are my business so I've been involved in a hero. Portion, it has business really since the beginning of heroles, I also personally hearing aid worse. I come from the you know the point of view. Of a customer as well as the supplier. Awesome well, thank you both very much for joining today I think this is GonNa. Be a great chat so to set the stage for a little bit Several recording this five thirty pm on six, twenty, five, soon twenty fifth the week of the Big Apple Iowa's announcements. For I was fourteen coming off, ww, DC twenty and within this you know developer conference There's a lot of waves being made within the hearing health care industry because air pods pro are getting pretty big upgrade pretty big update and something that we want to really dive into today so just to read exactly what's going to be released this next update it. It says headphone accommodations, so it says this new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds in adjusts certain frequencies for an individual's hearing to help us movies phone calls in podcasts sound more crisp and clear hold headphone accommodation supports transparency mode on air pods, pro, making quiet voices more audible in tuning. The sounds of your environment to your hearing needs so kind of a two fold thing. Thing here, you know there's something where it's sort of augmentation aspect for a more or less digital sounds that come through your ear buds, Bro, via your phone, and then also the ambient sound that you're hearing through that transparency mode in those Ambien settings, other people's voices in such, so it's sort of like a a digital and the ambient upgrade if you will in something that is. Is Starting to kind of resemble hearing aid in in an aspect, know, or at least the person sound amplifier. You know whatever you want to consider it, so cat! Why don't you kick us off share with us? What your original impression of this is, and just kind of like your takeaways from this development in the movement that's happening here from a company, the size of Apple. Wrigley question so First of all I should really know at that the language that apple useless. That that puts them. That probably sets them apart in my opinion from the other competitors in the space so. Apple really big on using inclusive and accessible. Inclusive language and accessible faith.' for their clients. Elia light loss Yar went To. An apple inclusive inaccessibility events that was fixed here Perth Melbourne. And Sydney and the takeaway messages that what happens when we design products as redesigned. If you think of Bell Curve, the majority of people who sit in the middle of it. Whereas people on the out lies, they left out. Whereas we're all temporarily, I would say. when we sing outs on. Really Designing for an inclusive inaccessible world, so a lot of people will start what this means for hearing loss is. A low people will start to acquire a Niger lighted hearing loss. Probably around the early forties, but they won't do anything about it till light. We all know the stock, so it won't repeat them in this episode. And By apple and other major brands, shifting into this space I suppose way hope has audiologist so hearing healthcare professionals. Is that our clients will. Came about the hearing and say out services sooner. I'm not I'm not convinced that that's the way it will go. Be just because of some US research that I've done with other companies and mine. I think. Are really like a brand like a major player like apple being in this market. They speeches here to be honest. I, think the front accommodations. On anything. Worldly changing. I think. that. The almost they stock Santa, features and on on our choice from Utah. Saying that apple aren't aren't always first to release features, but they usually wrought but i. think they sort faith.' Could have been released earlier especially when that would. Having a partnership with Jane Ray sounded they hearing products. And the Cook and the Cochlea Treatments well, so sort of like Oh this is great. This is finally come to the market, but I'm also not that impressed by them. In regards to the the brand and the story credit, and the loyalty of the clients, definitely above and beyond any of the other brands out there, so I think that what will happen is. A lot of people will probably transition across to apple. Just because I've these what they've done. SMART OF BOOT is one stop shop. These healthcare and product ecosystem and privacy has always been the number one co two and I think that will really R- win out in the healthcare space. Andy probably have a to you. Some of your thoughts on a combination. I think it's it's interesting because I've always been fascinated with the companies who've approached it from making your music experience better if I think of somebody like like anchor or Noura in Australia and company, where they're actually personalizing the audio strictly for music. Join us. And they don't use terms about accommodation or hearing loss. They describe it in terms of everybody's hearing different. You'll enjoy the music more if the earphones are personalized to your own particular hearing response. And I feel like this is an entry point for people to start thinking about their hearing and the fact that they're hearing is different without using words about hearing, loss or deficits. This sort of thing, right? It's personalization. It's not a problem. Okay, and to me that has. The potential to get people to think differently about their hearing, and if they're hearing loss increases, they just think about different ways of personalizing their hearing, right. Which is opposed to the companies who are approaching strictly from hearing point of view like new bureaus. You you're. You're getting demolished. Hearing loss range. You don't need to spend as much go through on the friction of getting a hearing aid, but it is a hearing loss device now apple has actually taken a third way by putting it under accommodations in referring to it as an accessibility feature, so it'll be interesting to see how that actually plays out. Of course, the big benefit does that they've now put this hearing personalization in the hands of tens of millions of people. And by putting hearing personalization in the hands of tens of millions of people. You get those people to think differently. And perhaps just perhaps it starts to close the gap. Starts, you know, reduce the stigma that goes with needing hearing assistance whether it's regulated hearing aid or something else. That's my optimistic view that once people get used to the hearing profiles that you can build into the high pod into the. Air Pods that they'll start to think differently as they age, hearing gets worse. and not be so resistant, even getting a hearing aid. Yeah I like that I. Think I like both of what you said there and I gotta ask you cat is. Obviously in the US, this is this is the apple stronghold and I'll be fully transparent ever since I've had a smartphone which was back in. Two Thousand Twelve I've had an IPHONE. I've an apple user. My whole life, so I've really only known apple. Almost all of my friends have apple. You, get ostracized a little bit. If you have the green bubbles, that's kind of an ongoing joke in America, but I know that's not the case in a lot of the other markets out there and I always try to you know I wish try to liked expectations in the way I perceive things because I know that I have in American, viewpoint, a lot of the times in. We're talking about these global companies, and so I'm curious in Australia. What's what's apples presence like down there? it's it's. Look. It's probably quite similar to the way you just described at Dave I I've used boy platforms, and I'm happy to use. Or android platforms. I used boy so that when I'm talking to clients are have a good understanding of how h works. I'm currently on a mixture of apple and Android, which is exciting because I. Get to try out a lot of things. Thing we've apple is I've got a really niche market, sorry. Easy sound like full into that market, and I'm not sure what you're using anti impacts. You'll the same so look for things are about apple. I also heard about apple and the as of transfer ability. Access and transferring information or even using foreign as basic US based. Crimes a little bit Say Similar Taliban Australia and certainly with Margaret Befriends alike last week. You on an apple, and just said your messages in these wake. Yeah, you're back to grain, and you're not getting my messages straightaway. ETC on lot yet. Gus shouldn't these todd. So it's similar mentality he. just on some nights that anti pointed I think the personalization when it comes to hearing again. The language that everybody's using for their products is going to become. A bit too much for our clients. At at any age range, it's all going to start to sound the same and blend together. Maybe it's already starting to happen for me because I look at this space and I think about it twenty four seven. A really I. really appreciate the the other brands out. There will try to use. Different Difference Point differences for them marketing ploys. They're doing at the end of the day and I think what I actually think happening. These spices able will become. Chain to the hearing and the hearing experience, but I'm not convinced that that lack time doing something about your hearing health. We hearing health, K.. Is, GONNA CLAUSE? Omron interested in this mild moderate, the noble mild moderate hearing loss category, because that's where for years there's not much movement, and then all of sudden as we all know to hear, both have come onto the market have really progressed in the last couple of years but in saying that you know, we say elise posts on twitter and linked teen from the other brands of the guys from you here. There were saying todd to to. To get so much technology and software into these devices, and that's why brands fell so quickly so think. A real point of difference besides personalisation will be bang for your buck, what what people really want to pay four and so apple will definitely have say the opera that looking at all the other, the other phages. They've released in the US fourteen. Update I think that sounds really bright. Lively send. That's a really good tool to use, and we define the noise up. Or had some experience with that the APP the light. Eleven pro fine plus the smart water and that was really beneficial. To highlight areas that I saw this. This isn't loud, but. That's your brand being comfortable in every day noise, sorry. What apple has done well again is boot that ecosystem of knowledge. It's not just about hearing. It's about understanding noise dive. You probably locked the the voice technology series probably at the bottom of the list in terms of its capacity. Is there and it stuck on well. There's the visual capabilities. Yeah, the noise alerts. Your baby's crying so that again positioning themselves as stop that ecosystem for everything. Yeah and if they built it, they built a good a good ecosystem. Ron Accessibility overall and you could see why these features that they've just added her natural extension to that, and you know you talk about a mild and moderate hearing loss I mean that's really the target right, because so few people at mild to moderate hearing loss. Get any treatment at all the you know you just they just start isolating themselves or noisy environments and check out our conversations in restaurants and so on so. Anything that addresses that category I. Think is really good for people's well-being. Overall. And so I hope the what apple is added here just brings that concept of so many more people, because ultimately it will enrich their lives. Yeah I mean I. think that you know The mild market, mild moderate market. We've never seen anyone tap into it really I mean. There's obviously a lot of new players in the market and I tip my hat to all of them I. Think they're great I. You know in going off of what you said. catlike. I've made the notion before to handy. Like hardware is really hard and You know that's why you've seen companies like doppler that have fallen by the wayside like. What's the other one up Raggi You know so anybody that has been in the game as long as some of these original players have a really really commend them and I. It should be noted that like while we're raving about all this stuff about what apple's doing at the same time you Harrah's releasing The IQ buds to Max which I think is going to be an awesome device out there but my whole approach to this in the reason why I get so excited about what apple is doing is because. A The scale I mean they're the wearables king. They sold hundred million devices, both between the watching the air pods. In, just like a quarter in so the amount of devices that are proliferating that are at you know by apple's hand is is something that's not really comparable to anybody else out there, so that needs to be taken into account and I also think that just this idea that you know I don't know if we have a solution that exists today that somebody with a mild. Mild situational type hearing loss with look at an all day device. Think I'm GonNa just you know. I'm going to wear something that resembles a hearing aid for a problem that I don't perceive to be in all day problem and so I think that a device that you know. I don't think that this is going to be something. That's a catalyst for like now I'm GonNa. GonNa suddenly buyer pods pro because I have a hearing loss in now. This is a solution for me. I think it actually comes from the other end where you own air pods, pro. You get this update. Realized Oh wow, this very nice is a kind of a nice new edition, and that for me is I. Think the biggest game changer that we've seen yet because you have. Have so many people that kind of your point cat with the whole like s reader on your on your Apple Watch, for your know, the dentist is like I. Am in this environment. Every single day in their brain has gotten used to operating at you know in a work environment that Scott Som- level of ninety five decibels on recurring aces, and then their brain kind of gets. Accustomed to it and they don't even realize they're living in this like environment that is conducive to hearing loss and I think it's kind of the same thing where it's like you get this You introduce people again to the sounds that maybe they've forgotten, so they turn their pods pro on again that they own that they didn't buy for this reason they bought them because they're in the apple ecosystem, and they want all of the other, really cool features of that, and now they're being reintroduced that and I think that. The hearing healthcare professionals have a tremendous opportunity here to embrace this idea where again we've never I mean. The the vast majority of the professionals that oak tree works with the hearing that they're selling are two people that have moderate to severe current loss in so if you look at it as a pyramid, which is usually west presented in the industry. Has You know you have this huge foundational at the bottom? That's mild moderate I don't think people have really tapped into that. We haven't really tapped into that yet. In so I think that I'm not sure if that's the market, if that markets even designed for something like a hearing aid, something like a all day device. I think it's. Like introducing them to the solution as a concept insane like this is what amplification sounds like this is what being able to hear again sounds like making them to kind of familiarize themselves with like I have a hearing loss because that's I think at the core of this seven. Your gap that you hear about where it's like you know you identify, have something, but then again it's like the dentist thing where he kind of your brain acclimates tonight. Get comfortable you get. Get used to it, and then it depreciates the point where it's like you know. Hey, dad, you can't. You're seeing what every other for heard, so it's. That's my whole opinion on this is that I think that it has this opportunity to serve this role of a introductory, a half moment kind of device and I'd like to ask question about that with a preface that I think in the beginning, you said with Apple. It's all about scale and I agree. Like I wouldn't be surprised after this is out there year that new era sales double and triple, because new era's geared to be, you're hearing device with an audiology grade, -Tuni- Algorithm, and all that right now granted. We haven't seen what apple devices going to do. I think it's exactly what you said you now have. Tens of millions of people exposed to it, and some of them are gonNA look for. True hearing assistance something down range, so I think it's GonNa have a positive effect on companies like new here in a question for you is, do think at some point especially as people age out, and they start to see you know the the hearing accommodation adjustment from device like apples are new heroes running off the end of the range. Do you think that will then pull in additional business for four grade hearing aids, or is that just wishful thinking? Honestly, I think that is an excellent question. I think that is almost wishful thinking. Why sorry. Dave I. Think you hit the nail on the head I think that. That's exactly will apple do is pay who? is a general statement. People don't per se people don't know what they don't. So the coming to us to light example gave I'm coping fine usually all the paper. Notice your hearing loss I statements that we always hear. From a clinical perspective so first pay who? I. Get a pot pros. They'll have a bit of an Aha moment. Oh hearings! Don't that good, but I'm still not going to do anything about it because they devices. A good enough even if The devices you're in the moderate to severe hearing loss category. We suggest you go your healthcare professional. The biggest crux. Here's at a hydro element. Where painful on the psychological journey where do they want to go and assigned people use other here devices and I strongly recommend they upgrade or go no upgrades right. And see a healthcare professional from full diagnostic test and they'll start to, and that's because of the value. We place on our hearing itself. So what I think. I think actually rise at people have these hemlines. Alike, the were. High shouldn't just because the connotations that are attached to the would patient a very different from client so. Are acknowledged that there are complex hearing losses that you definitely need to say an audiologist, hearing, healthcare, professional, or an tasteful and I and I think income that that ten percent less pay won't agree from moderate on. Shouldn't well I mean I've seen it before? Clinically is or when I used to work in traditional bricks and mortar clinic would come in with I. Hear, we'll devices inside just want to use as I. DON'T WANNA hearing aid. I think. What happens won't necessarily be natural transition from herbal to hearing aid as we're all hoping the spectrum I think hearing I. Companies are going to take covered. It's GonNa be a long time for them to to recover financially and. We, that comes the question of the stigma or they mocking materials as he said earlier, Andy Pivot around hearing loss, whereas as hairballs, fun, sexy, cool modern. Let's talk about hearing in more that Bluetooth, modern connectivity sort of why. Hearing Health that you can on yourself and I think that's the BDO. Here bills wearables I think now make us more aware of our healthcare, but are they enough to help us change our behavior and perhaps progressive medical grade devos okay. I'm not convinced that that's what will happen. So, yes, agree companies like come here the news or of the world. Probably capitalized on these situation as well. Does that come down to them. Understanding this market and the wants and needs of the client small. pups. So Andy this is to you now. you know I I'm I'm kind of formulating this essay that I'm GonNa. Write in my head right now because I I'm so. What captured my attention at the WWF DC. Was the the whole narrative around at apple around their internal chip efforts in I think this is. INTERESTING LIKE! Apple has gone in ten years from outsourcing all of their chip production. Now they do everything in house. In the big sort of like nail in the coffin was now they're gonNA have their own like apple silicon, which is basically going to replace Intel's chips in the Mac, which was kind of like the. Ten years ago if people would have said that, they would have said like that's inconceivable that they would be able to build their own ships for a device as sophisticated as laptop computer in now they're doing it and obviously as a dovetail to that is the fact that you know I think a big part of why air pods pro are on the cusp of innovation here in a lot of the other manufacturers in this space can speak to this to it goes to cap saint earlier about. How the new Harry guys were mentioning that it's just really hard to do this in a super small advice, but this is something that you and I have talked a lot about which is that? As we move further along into the twenty twenty s so much of what's going to be innovated upon is actually going to be down at the chip level. It's to be the DSP chips. It's going to be h one chip in the if the chip that comes along afterwards. I just think that I'm I'm curious to get your take on this as You know the fact that. It sure seems like apple is in the position that it is right now to to to start to really unleash some really cool. Interesting applications largely due to these innovations that they're having at semiconductor level, and I'm just curious like what what? What's your take on that? I think is going to accelerate innovation like there's no tomorrow and the real question I have is what happens when the battery life gets high enough to support all day wearing a consumer product of ice right now. The big trade off is that. You have in hearing aid world very customization six. Made with semiconductor processes that consume extremely low power, but they're more expensive. They're not consumer devices. But I mean if you look at the devices I words a small Rick. Half the size of Air Pods Pearl, and you know I've Been Bluetooth for half the day in wearing six in the morning. And you know there's still life on the battery, right? Now, companies like coal, common apple have a little bit been pushing the battery life, but if you look at Apple, they've kind of stabilized around five hours. They keep adding more features maintaining five hours because situationally. That's just fine, but some point you're going to have all of the innovative features. You want the ability to run. You know hearing, health, Quality Algorithms, and so on, and then watch the battery life start cranking up and up and I think it's a real question when you start to get five dollars, eighty dollars twelve hours and sixteen hours out of consumer durables. What happens? How does that overturned the whole ecosystem of both heroles in hearing AIDS? Okay it's going to be very very interesting. Now. There's always going to be people from you. Know moderate to severe beyond who are GonNa need professional hearing care because it's more than amplification when you into that reach is cat obviously knows better than I and I know from personal experience that once you get the severe. It's not just equalizing for your ear. There's a lot of things that have to be done. You know to maximize intelligibility out of damaged ear, so you'll always need professional assistance but what happens the actual hardware itself? And how do here ables in hearing aids become more blended going to be very very interesting going forward. So, can. If we're moving toward sort of this vision that Andy's painting here where you do have sort of a convergence at the two in in down the line, like maybe the hearing aids in the heroes are indistinguishable. They're all sort of the same thing in. Obviously, maybe some are specialized in some different ways i. don't doubt that at all I. think There's GonNa be a whole lot different types of specialization. As a professional in that's dispensing these types of vices, but also like you said your your digital consulted many different capacities. How do you view the evolution of this profession of your profession? as the devices as it becomes less of a product based. Type thing where these things again they might be apple devices. They might be Samsung devices. They might be Senova devices. You know it could be any one of different companies How do you look at this profession? Guests in in this in your role. If you will taking shape as technology continues to mature over time. Could good question really great point Sandy I view it as. Borough. Mega Mall so I think they'll always pay a nate for a bricks and mortar clinic but with a very heavy, digital or online aspect and. The way. audiologist and this will come from the educational level needs to evolve. We need more based in the counseling. Space or the coaching spice so really good understanding the psychology behavioral economics motivation. I say the poor's evolving from that the educational level so what we're doing at universities now. Should transition across to include more of those units at the end of the day. What I think will happen to healthcare professionals. Especially audiologist is that will become daughter analysts. Paper will come to us and already have some Dada that they've believed. We've perhaps from the Apple, crows nuhere products Niro products. Woodyear products now say all I want to know more about this than we become this coach or facilitator in the middle. A lot of other countries already assigned to advertise food these days. Roles in New Zealand is one of them, so they've got. I think. Sort and full a health healthcare Datta coach. And it was positioned on why slack cycling coach back in the day and these were he services now that's what I need to get to where I WANNA go. I think we'll transition across that space. I think they'll be a big focus in the coming years on a subscription as a service model, so it's almost like you're by an I think we saw people doing this space and this might be a podcastone all the time, but you have you sign up to whoever you want to be coached by all guided by online paps or in the clinic. And then you download an APP that I might have as a health care professional, and I'll upload your rehabilitation program, and then I have a column or accessible port, where you might just add descriptions of faces that you want to your program, and also to your device so that I think they'll be that good convergence of. PAP subscriptions that you can add on these extra bells and whistles to you want to add on the premium plan for your. Rehabilitation in sort of Volkov. Evolved from there. I love that. That's such an interesting thought. Is that you I? Mean I've thought about like the idea of like subscriptions you know. Everything seems to be moving in that direction. Were subscriptions are sort of everywhere? But I've never really quite thought along those lines where you might actually just be subscribing if you will to your professional in the professional like that's your job is that you're doing you're? You're basically guiding this person in this person in that? That kind of fills up your day so one other point that I want Kinda close upon here is that you know building off of what you said at one of the things that I really like about apple is that it is this ecosystem in I, think as an ecosystem it permits them to do a lot of really interesting things that aren't necessarily exclusive to just apple, and so one example of this is a saw in the hearing tracker article. That, in hearing, Trekker team posted. They had some screen shots in the Beta of what this is. GonNa look like headphone audio customization in so basically in it. in I'll put this in the show notes you know you can. You can either talk wit slight, moderate, strong on like a slider, real basic, or you can actually customize it in in it. You can either take a little bit of a test that's administered through your air pods pro, or you can upload Audio Graham and this actually beckons back to update. In this is so apple, they do this all the time or they'll update. They'll introduce a feature that doesn't. It's Kinda ambiguous and the no clarify in a waiter update, and that's exactly what they did here where they said that. In Apple Health, you could upload in Audio Graham and now. We're seeing why in so I think this is really interesting. Because you have companies like mini where you could take a you could take a urine test through their APP and then I could see this guy again like kind of a third party. Little ecosystem that starts to former on this where you can upload them into. These kinds of things so you take a third party test, then you then basically use that to establish a profile and I look at this and I say I think this is interesting because it shows that again, there's this role that the professional play because again, if you if you knew this through the lens of the average consumer they might say that you know, Oh yeah, I can just do the slider thing and they see that there's this custom option, but they don't know a lot about it. I'm curious. Do, you think that this is something that a professional? Has the opportunity to race in. Say that this is part of your consultation, is that? Do you have a pair of airports pro? Are you interested in anything that comes down the line that fits the same bill that would again allow for me to bill you for my time or add this as a service package or something like that I can actually walk you through I can guide you through maybe these great third party APPs that would be available to better enhance dysfunctionality that you're are already aware of, but that you can take it a step further with these like. Features. Yeah absolutely so I think come. You trunk have had this discussion about the Janus Spas and Conflicted about that when I first heard. It had a great experience at the Genius Bar just this week. John Aside much to my husband's disparage. His daughter. For another day. The genius bar I suppose is exactly how I. View it for health care. But. I found the genius bar. Just freely transactional, which is apple has become as well, and I'm sure of all the brands like Samsung DVD's. It would operate in a similar way where they can go all your finds not working. Sorry, I'll just give you a new replacement one. For them. The cost of trying to figure out what's happening is is gonNA. Outweigh to replacing the whole fine, so I think From a professional point of view, absolutely as an area for US audiologist to to to leverage they study. That had potty. In the healthcare space. But also to leverage these bigger brands to funnel paper into our clinics. I'm not sure how that marketing spiel or that peach would would sound or work. But there's absolutely good of Judah and I'm sure there's lots of other audiologist out there already trying things in their bricks and mortar canucks. Bricks and mortar is the IVA heads. If you don't have a strong digital presence, your overheads can simply not survive well on referrals in the coming years. It's been great like that in Australia, and probably in the states, and and the way to some extent but I think we're really gonNA say a declining. I'm just strong referral bias from word of mouth. Or Ahmeti cars. And not to mention that it's really brittle when you look at it in light of something as unexpected as a pandemic so I agree with you and I think that's really interesting. Thought so as we wrap up here. I WanNa give you each enclosing thoughts here Andy. Let's start with you. How do you you know look at this whole thing in what like what's really on your mind? Like how power you coming out of this in thinking like okay. Like what is this? All mean in your opinion as we move. Move forward, because obviously, in my opinion, like were just getting started like this is just gonNa keep. We're GONNA keep seeing more and more types of updates. If Apple's doing this, you have to imagine that it's competitors are going to be doing like Google is going to be doing stuff like this Samsung is going to be doing stuff like this I wouldn't put it past any of these companies Amazon even might be getting into something like this knows not to mention all of the different third party providers so closing thoughts. Ultimately I am hopeful I mean today's Today's younger middle aged tech, savvy person who runs around when something in your ears all the time and increasingly gets exposed to these concepts like personalization will eventually be tomorrow's. You know full-fledged hearing at wears hearing aid workers, regardless of the exact formula takes, and so in my hopeful nature says that. I think sometime between now and twenty years from now a far greater percentage of people are going to get the hearing care that they need in. It's really going to be a life changer for a lot of people just don't know how long it takes to get there, but I'm ultimately hopeful that sort of stigmatization and low adoption rates is slowly becoming a thing of the past. Yet. I'm same issue any on maternal optimist, so I believe that if people can manage their health sooner. Whether, it be prevented, you or tree managing it I'm a big fan of that I believe in healthy aging across the lifespan and so whilst. Big Advocate in the the hearing and hearing loss and protection space. I think that if apple's going to create this really unique healthcare, our ecosystem, then of course, I'm GonNa work with them to help them. Make it more accessible to people because at the end of the day with the population we want pay have good quality of life. Good quality of connection, not to be socially are slated to be as connected as they can, so agree with all your points that you've said I think misty, cross future, and how we choose to design a work within spices will. Really set us apart from those who choose not to transition across to expose the new look of the healthcare professional. Yeah no I think that's so well, said both of you and I couldn't agree more. I'm an optimist as well and I try to. Try to bring down sometimes, but I can't help but feel excited about this industry, and ultimately like I said at the beginning. This is a portion of the patient base. That hasn't really had many things that I think really speak to them. you know it's like a hearing aids great, but it's not really designed for somebody that just has a mild hearing loss and so but we know that this is a this is something that you tend to. It just progresses. It's progressive. Hearing. Loss is a thing and so i. think that the earlier you can introduce people to the fact that they do have a bit of a loss in that you know in in, get them in front of a professional. I think that's the key here. Is that you introduce them? They establish that relationship and they work on preserving their hearing for as long as they possibly can I think that's the key here in if it means that. That they're coming through your doors. Because air pods were a gateway or new Hera was a gateway all the more better. I think that the professionals have a great opportunity to really embrace the as sort of like a lead generation tool. If you will so I look at this as positive overall for the industry but I think two cats point. You'RE GONNA have to be Nimble here. I think people are going to have to be dynamic in figure out ways. To kind of be savvy in adapt a lot of different change, so thank you very much for joining me today. This was a fantastic discussion loved being able to really kind of breakdown. Some of this really big news. That's happening in the space. Thanks for everybody who tuned in this week. We will chat with you next time, cheers! Thanks for tuning in today I hope you enjoyed this episode of future radio for more content like this head over to future ear dot com, where you can read all the articles that I've been writing these past few years on the world's of voice technology in here ables, and how the two are beginning to intersect. Thanks for tuning in, and I'll chat with you next time.

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What's behind the waves and tides?

"You're listening to brain. John were serious about being curious. There's just something about this sound for. What do you think of this sound and makes me one. Have fun at the beach. I actually find this sound relaxing and soothing like taking a big commun- breath in and out sure but where do the wage that makes the sound. come from. And what about the tides is it. True that they're controlled by the moon. Those are great questions eventually right now. I think i'm just to relax to keep taping taping this episode poly fix. This is that better. i'm ready. We're going to answer those questions right now. That's more like it keep listening. You're listening to brains on. I'm molly bloom. My co host. Today is flora saldana from los angeles. Hello flora hi molly. This episode was sparked by a question that you sent us. How does the moon controls the tides. So what made you think of this question. I was at a summer camp and a girl said that the moon control the time. And i wondered how those possible so in los angeles. You don't too far from the ocean. Do you like to play in the ocean. I like jumping over the ways. And i like it My dad picks me up and we and we measure the wage by seeing how high it goes up on me because he picked me up so i'm taller ice. Look what is like what do you think is like the tallest wave you've ever seen When he was picking me up it went all the way up to my shoulders once. And is it more fun to play with the wet sand or the dry sand when you wet wet sand win your dry dry sand because the dry sam. We'll get stuck to you if if you're what do you use the wet sand or the dry sand for your sandcastles zohreh. I actually do my sandcastle. Is i just put sand on the bottom than water them. Sand than waters and sandon water poos very good technique or must be pretty strong when i built and castles in the past. They usually get swallowed up by the waves. Eventually because the tide is coming in. So let's get to that original question you sent us. The moon does indeed control the tides using all of this can be understood by looking at the universal law of gravitation first postulated by the scientist isaac newton in sixteen hundreds the gravitational force between two bodies proportional to the massive each body and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between their centers and the forces directed along the line between the centers of the object. This means the gravitational pull between two objects is stronger. The closer they are in the heavier they are. The gravitational force of the moon is constantly pulling on the earth. So what does that mean for the moon and the earth it needs the gravitational force between the moon and the earth can be felt all over the earth. we don't notice the effect. The moon's gravity has on land since large landmasses are solid and not easily moved but water is a different story. Water moves easily and the gravitational forces created by the moon cause water on the surface of the earth to baulch sir isaac newton Can you repeat the end of that. Universal logam surely the force directed along the line between the centers of the objects in the case of the moon and earth. Water moves to positions where all forces on our balanced. This actually causes to bulges of water. One is on the side of the earth facing the moon. The other is on the opposite side of the earth from the moon. It's easy to wrap your mind around. Why water would bulge toward the moon on the side facing it. But why would it be on the opposite to. Let's have our pal. Isaac newton explains sir isaac newton l. Of course sir i nation. The strength of the force due to gravity depends on distance so over the volume of any extended mass of material. The strength of the gravitational force various. It is this difference called a force gradient that is responsible for the motion of ocean water into the tidal bulges. Okay this force. Gradient is nearly the same size on the near and far sides of the earth from the moon. And do you know how. I was able to discover this very surprising result way. Ask how kill us a powerful tool of mathematics that i invented just to solve tricky problems. Like this impressive sir. Isaac indubitably calculate the force gradient. Find out where these bulges are and ted. That's where high tide is. That bulge keeps following the moon and moves around the planet as earth rotates under it as the bulge moves around different parts of the earth. So does high tide. The sun also has gravitational pull over the earth. but it's less than the moon even though the sun is much more massive than the moon. It's also much much farther away. It's more than ninety million miles from earth that is so far that the gravitational force just isn't that powerful on the other hand is about two hundred and fifty thousand miles away not millions so it's effects are much stronger on our planet but the sun does have an impact like during the new moon moons completely. The tides are more extreme. High tides are higher and low. Tides are lower. This is because the weaker force of the sun is added to the stronger force of the mood in when this happens when the sun and moon lined up it's called spring tide when the sun and the moon are at a right angle like during half noun the solar tide partially cancel out the lunar tide. Meaning the difference between high and low tide is smaller. This is called the leap tied. It's also important to remember that the earth is not just covered in water. Different landmasses create ocean basins show. The notion of this bowl of water is affected by the continents. Think about when you're in the bathroom you move around a lot and the water sloshes side to side win that water sloshes you can see the water by the side of the time. Going up and down in half. But there's a point in the middle or the height doesn't change at all. See for yourself next time. You're in the same thing happens in these ocean basin to these points were. There are no high or low tide. Called an for dramatic points are several around the world including one near perth australia in one between mexico and hawaii there are also spots where the opposite is true. Were their policy. Makes the difference between high and low tide more extreme than other areas the highest tides in the world can be found in the bay of fundy between ova scotia and new brunswick in one part of this canadian bay. The difference between high and low tide. It's fifty three feet or about five stories. This means boats on the warfare and up sitting on dry land during low tide. Tides are caused by the gravitational force of the moon and to a lesser extent the sun. But what about waves for these the same as tides. We've gotten a lot of questions about waves like this one from riley. Hi my name. Is riley. And i live in boca raton. Florida in my question is what keeps the ocean waves up until the crash onto the sure. Some ocean waves bigger than others. Jessica corelli's in oceanographer surface cheese to answer all of our wave questions. Jessica hello thank you so much for having me. Well causes waves. Well most of the waves in the world are caused by wind blowing across the ocean. Just like when you blow on drink that you have and you can make little ripples. When the wind blows over the ocean creates and the stronger and longer and the farther the wind blows over the ocean. The bigger the waves. That's really cool. Yeah we can also get waves very rarely if a meteor strikes in the ocean or if there's an underwater landslide or an earthquake and those waves are called nami why are waves that shape that sort of curving crashing shape. The shape of the waves is controlled very strongly by the shape of the bottom of the ocean. So when you're out in the deep part of the ocean and you go underwater. Let's say you go twenty feet underwater or something you tend to typically you won't feel the waves but when you're near the shore and the ocean gets really shallow that means that the energy of the waves starts to interact with the bottom and it sort of drags away it starts to slow down but the top of the wave doesn't feel the bottom and so it keeps going faster and that is when a wave breaks where at the top of the wave is going faster and the bottom of the wave is dragging on the body slowing down and crashes over in a sort of a barrel or a tube as we like to call it when we go surfing. Why are the wave so strong. The strength of the wave is really related to how large the waves are and the size of the waves is controlled by the strength of the wind. If you have a really big storm out at sea you'll end up with really big waves and when those waves travel across the ocean they don't really lose very much energy so in different places in the world or different times of the year you can have really really calm conditions very very small waves or you can also have very very large waves just depending on where that wave energy is coming from and how strong this storm out at sea have been. How come when you drop something. In the bottom of the ocean it gets pulled out to sea instead of push to shore at the bottom of the ocean close to shore where the waves are breaking. the motion of energy is actually going back and forth so it comes in up the beach and then it pulls back out and a little bit further out. The energy of the waves is actually going in a circular motion with the top of the water sort of pushing towards the shore. And then the bottom pulling back away so sometimes you can feel like things are getting pulled out to see like your feet when you're standing in the shallow water. Feel like they're getting pulled out to see. But if you were to just wait there and float for a bit you you may get pushed back in a little bit chaotic in the surf zone so the the direction of motion kind of pretty rapidly through time. So sometimes you'll find beaches where things are getting pushed onto the shore like you'll find shells that have been deposited up on the sand and sometimes you go to beaches and there's really nothing that has been deposited because most things are getting pulled out to sea and the best thing to do when you notice that you've been pulled out into the ocean deeper than you'd like to be is to swim sideways. So instead of swimming directly back towards the beach against that outgoing current few swim sideways. You'll get back into the area. Where the waves are pushing onto shore. And that'll help you get back into shallower water lia- waves white when they break. That is a great question and it's actually also related to the reason that we hear the waves breaking so when a wave breaks it gets air trapped in it and we have like a bunch of bubbles and so what you can see is just the little tiny bubbles in that whitewater that we call it. And the sound of the waves. Breaking is actually. Those bubbles burst ding cool. Thank you so much for talking to us today. Thank you bye and thanks for letting me ask the question for thank you for your interests. Really great to talk to kids who care about and science I know your brain is floating in a sea of wave information but we have another important task to take care of. It's time for the mystery. Sound here it is any guesses no come up with. Maybe some sort of oceania. Anima doing some. That is a really good. Guess we'll be back with the answer right after this. We love hearing from you. Every episode of the show is based off of questions from our listeners. So if there's a topic you want to hear us cover on brain or something you're super duper curious about let us know. Send us your questions. Ideas of mystery sounds and drawings at brains on dot org slash contact. That's where we got this listener question. My name is why from the lana. Good georgia microbes knees. White waddell ears have bones. We'll be back with the answer that question and read the most recent group of listeners to be added to the brains honor roll at the end of the show so keep listening. Today's episode is sponsored by sun basket. Sun basket wants you to have your healthiest year yet. And they're making it easier than ever. Their fresh and ready meals are just eight ninety nine. So they're good for your body and your budget. They're chefs have one michelin award and james beard award. So why not take the night off and let them cook for you. Try delicious meals such as beef chili with cheddar in greek yogurt creamy mushroom penny with baby spinach and almond and butter chicken with bosma d rice pilaf with was a huge hit with my whole family including my daughter sun basket fresh and ready meals come freshly prepared and ready to heat up in as little as six minutes all you have to do is heat and eat which means no prep and no mess right now. Sun basket is offering thirty five dollars off your order when you go right now to sun basket dot com slash brains on and enter promo code brains on at checkout that sun basket dot com slash brains on an enter promo code brains on at checkout for thirty five dollars off your order sun basket dot com slash brains on and enter promo code brains on. Hey molly it's type from tasks. Why did you know that there are more viruses on earth than stars in the sky. Wow we have plenty of mind-blowing facts on tosks y so join me on my adventures to the bottom of the ocean and the end of the universe wherever you get your podcast thanks. Ty can't wait to listen and learn more. You're listening to brain on i'm flora danica and i'm ali bloom now. Let's go back to that mystery. Sound let's hear it one more time. Any new guesses. No i sit. And i still think it's an an walney ocean. Here is the answer. That was the sound of a waxing a surfboard. You use the wax because it helps your feet stick to the surfboard. My name is host a make surfboards. Alex is a surfer. It develops little knobby bumps and that's kind of nice because you can really feel on your feet lawyer writing. And he lives in minnesota. Now you might think Minnesota is in the middle of the country. Why on earth would a surfer lived there. Well alex has served all over the world but he's also able to surf right here in the midwest in two thousand eight. I discovered that you could serve up superior the biggest difference in surfing between the lakes and the ocean. There's two things. There's the density of the water which were actually surfing freshwater which is about a third less dense than saltwater on the other thing is we're surfing shorter fetch breaks or waves that are traveling shorter distance from when they originate to when they hit shore. So that means they don't develop as much power as they travel across the ocean where they traveled thousands of miles here. Only doing hundreds of miles. The waves might be very tall. But it's a shorter interval. That means the distance between waves as frequent but less powerful. The other thing you should know about surfing on the great lakes is that it's basically the opposite of a tropical pastime. It's most likely to happen. When there's snow on the ground you have to really follow the winds to be greatly surfer so you watch storm systems developed. You look very low pressure systems to come through because they draw in predictable winds and usually more powerful stronger storms. Come in the winter so it's more of a winter squash actually of there in minnesota basically. We're serving the lakes until they freeze So the water gets down to thirty two degrees. It'll be icebergs floating around sometimes in the winter and the water can be anywhere in the winter swells. it could be a forty degree day. But it's more likely to be in the minus degrees. Usually once your feet going a little not miss when it's time to get out of the modern warm up in the car again. It's not just people on the coast. It's also possible for us. Landlocked folks to there's river. Surfing surfing is great lake surfing on their skateboarding. There's a lot of ways to get into that that feeling of surfing even if you're not by the ocean we talked about how the moon's gravitational pull causes high and low tides so the tide is continually and flowing going in and out that place between the lowest and the highest tide is called the intertidal zone. And it's teaming with super cool marine plants and walls ambre. Spinoza covers the environment for rhode island public radio. And she is here. Tell us all about these fascinating tide. Pools high bar high flora. I'm so delighted to join you. And thanks for inviting me now. You've spent some time exploring tide pools in the pacific. Northwest and now in the northeast. So how did you get interested in tide pooling. I grew up in los angeles super close to the beach and the beach. One of my primary playgrounds but back home. My local beaches are very sandy. And i never ventured into beaches with rocky features that make really cool tide pools and to be honest with you. I wasn't paying close attention to the natural world around me. And it wasn't until i was studying in the state of washington that my ocean world totally opened up the schools and hr camps where i was working as an outdoor science teacher frequently took their kids tide pooling and couldn't believe the amazing creatures i was seen up close. I'm gonna play a little bit of audio. I recorded with my students describing the coup creatures. They found we saw this jellyfish. Big then heads. It was so colorful. Had almost all different colors. You could think of ila so it was big all dead hand. I saw some a nominees. Did you know that put out there. A little tentacles to eat in the also saw Hailin and glance the they their beaks to stop fish in along next to keep a little bit of above the waddell. So now you live on the other side of the country in rhode island. Have you found similar. Critters in the northeast. You know the tide pools. I've explored in rhode island and massachusetts have been so different than the tide pools in the pacific northwest. They certainly have some similarities. But i have yet to spot any sea stars or sea cucumbers very different but fund than the less. Why is it so different on the different coast. You know. I wanted to find out too so i reached out to dr stanley. Roman the research director at an organization called the earth watch institute. He says several factors influence what we may or may not find typos. One of them is a temperature of the water in the pacific. The water is very cold in southern new england. They're much warmer. Warm water doesn't hold this much oxygen and so for a lot of the creatures in the intertidal zone as the tide goes out. Oxygen becomes a little more limiting oxygen. Just like we do on top of that. Oxygen decreases when the sun warms tight pools if the water becomes hot then that becomes a problem for marine plants and animals also depends on who happens to be trapped in that tide pool with you so there could be predator and prey. That may not see each other frequently in other scenarios may be kind of trapped in that same type cool. It's kind of fun to think about every time the tide comes in and goes back out. The community within that tide pool is different. Gosh it's like you're moving to a new house twice a day and you might not always get along with your neighbors like they wanna eat. You can see sometimes see stars wrapped around a muscle or on a barnacle in. They're eating it. They're eating they do that in a really interesting way. And if they're feeding on clam or mussel what they do. is they. Use those those arms and they wrap around it. They're so strong they they're like these suction cups or tube feet that they used to attach to the shells and they slowly open that up. And then through that little gaffe they stick their stomach in their their stomach turns inside out in they digest their food outside of their body in the absorb the nutrients and then when they're done they pull their stomach back into their mouth and it goes back into their body. Isn't that crazy. Oh wow super super cool and remember how. I told you that the local beaches. I enjoyed an l. a. Are sandy and didn't have any tide. Pools roman reminded me that. There's a whole world of marine creatures burrowed behind the sand to that we can't see this magical interface between the sea and the land in especially in these tide pools they give us a window into that world that will almost defines our world. Most of the plan is covered with oceans And this is where we're able to really get a better feel for what that world disliked through these tide pools doctor stand roll man. He's research director of the earth. Watch institute and that was him. Tide pooling at a beach in massachusetts pretty cool job and thank you for introducing us to him and giving us a glimpse of what makes tide pools such special places. My pleasure thanks for having me. Gravitational of the moon causes water on the surface of the earth baulch. The earth rotates under these bulges causing high and low tides waves are caused by land and titles offer a glimpse at some of the very cool marine life living all over the world. That's it for this episode of brains on this episode was produced by mark sanchez. Dandan cotton and molly films. Many thanks to ellie sal. Donya jennifer macy's sarah compro- christmas delo. The monarch and eric ringer also production help from houma ali. An engineering help from eric romani. Now before we go. It's time for our moment of White ears have bones. Name is olivia birmingham mcdonagh. I'm my pronouns. Or she and her and my job title is professor at the university of washington. So the question was why. Don't the ears have boats and the ears actually do have bones but what we think of what we look at is a thing called our outer ear. And you can divide are holier into three parts so our outer ear. Is this piece that you see that always point to instead. There's are eager and it is. It's really flexible. And then so you know there's no bom in there because you can bended towards you Twist many ways okay. So what bones are in the ear. Well there are three little bones in the ear. And what's really interesting about them. Is they are smallest. Booms in the body and the middle eras where these bones live so the sound comes in and hits the eardrum which is exactly what you think of. it's like it run and it pushes against these little bones and then that actually puts it the signal into the inner ear now in the inner ear. You actually detect. It's someone is speaking to you if there's a car going by if there's no is a noisy room or it's really quiet room. And as humans like us we can actually hear over very wide range of sounds news. Whisper to you and you can also hear some shoving so that's an interesting fact of humans. Now the inner ear this really small structure can be taken if you took it out of human being. If you put it on on a dime it would affect. That's how small it is so we have to take care of our hearing because generally over our lifespan. As we older we lose hearing so there are bones in the in the ear and they're in this space called the middle ear so there are three bones in there and then they linked to the inner ear and that's where we Can you hear me. Because it's time for the brains honor roll. These are the incredible listeners. Who send us their questions. Ideas mystery sounds drawings. And hi five's devon from new york city for mercer island washington from castle rock colorado. Heidi alice warner and mary from cleveland. Utah amelia from often. Zealand e. from asheville north carolina ellen from state college pennsylvania amelia from bountiful utah elisha from bartlett illinois rohan and taryn from ohio california satori and cyprus from austin texas maximum prince george british columbia max and zoe from frisco texas nathan from lake forest illinois lucienne from charlottesville virginia. Lilian in neo me from palm bay. Florida leeann revamped from andhra pradesh india. Avi and delia from raleigh. 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147. Crying Into My Boba

Beautiful Stories From Anonymous People

1:13:23 hr | 2 years ago

147. Crying Into My Boba

"Very excited to tell you about this podcast of tell you about because it's after my heart. It's a wild one and a very funny one John Lennon died in one thousand nine hundred eighty we all know that. But do you know he decided to come back to life in nineteen Eighty-four, and now has a podcast called questions for Lennon said, you got a query you need some life advice. You can listen to John Lennon team up with guests like Lauren latkes and Paul left Tompkins to answer questions set him by you, the listener, John John is actually played by very very hilarious guy named Mike Hanford who I I don't know that. Well, but every time I've met up with him. He's so funny. I'm actually I think comedy bang. I did some bits with John Lennon character. And man is it a funny funny. Bit new season of questions for Lennon is out now exclusively on Stitcher premium for free month, Stitcher, premium, go to Stitcher, premium dot com slash Lenin. And use the promo code stories. 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Of course, anytime that topic comes up we had a bunch of people check in and say, they of course, live in Perth, Australia, the most remote metropolitan area in the world, which I'm so happy that we have a small fair base, Perth Australia. All right. What else is there to talk about not much? You guys know Chris gift communist siemian shows who cares about that. I don't wanna plug things too much. I wa I want to tell you about this episode. It is one that has become increasingly. Rare for me, it's focused a lot of mental health as as I've talked about on this show have become a it's just been hard. I think since career suicide for me to talk more about that publicly because it was so overwhelming, but I will tell you this call I Dennis side with this caller so much so many of us so many of us who have dealt with stuff in the world, mental health know that it's it can come on v things. You don't expect maybe make one or two choices that lead to you getting overwhelmed. You make a mistake here. And there and all of a sudden, you gotta rebuild in a big way. I understand that feeling so well and empathize so hard with caller. There's a lot of fascinating stuff about the callers family situation. And who knows you if you ever if you ever New York City, and you you're hanging out on the roof. You see me in address this episode will explain why fulfilling a promise to my new friend on the phone. So yeah, this one is tough in many ways. But also, man, I just. It rarely have had a mental health conversation where I feel so in line and in tune with understanding what the person's taught him at. So I thought it was really maybe valuable to put out there. And I hope you enjoy it. Thank you for calling beautiful. Anonymous, a beeping noise will indicate when you are on the show with the host. Hello. Hi. I chris. It is. I really really was not expecting through today at all. I almost gave up. Look all of it's finally happening. Oh, your this is honestly making it my year. Twenty teen been such a curse year for me. And to like have the opportunity talk with you about it is if the dream come true. How're you doing today? Well, first of all let me say, I'm sorry. You had a cursed year. I'm sure we'll hear more about that. But I would how callous would I be if I just didn't address that you just said that some sorry to hear I how I'm doing. I'm doing okay, I'm fighting off a cold. But that's okay. But I'm feeling very good about life very excited about life right now. That's how I'm doing. Firing and like my lowest points this year. It's been doing your podcast has helped me through this year. And helps me he'll like if all the people that you interview can get through the things that they've been through. And I can definitely do the same. Very happy to hear that. And I'm happy to help in any way. And that's super nice. That's super nice. I don't take that lightly. Sorry, you actually cut out a little bit on my hands. And I don't know. I was just thanking I was just saying thank you. It was very heartfelt response. It's what happened. Okay. Thank you. I mean a lot to me. No, use it. Oh, I was just gonna say that sounds like you might be driving. Am I correct in that? I write him. Lemme try plugging, and my I'm almost done driving like ten more minutes than I will be very. Can't believe you guys takes me. So I was just expecting to have a normal. I just wanna make sure you're safe. Like, you got the handsfree. You got the hands free system going. What are we got? Yeah. Yeah. Good. I'm I'm good now. Okay. Okay. That's right. What's up? I wanted to talk a lot about overcoming something that I don't know if it's been talked about on the show before about beepers lines -ation D realize I dunno ever heard of that before. Personalization and de realize -ation. So it's kind of like a feeling it's a symptom of and happens after trauma or something traumatic. It's really feel like you for having constant of out of body experience and everything kind of feels like you're floating feels like your dream like like state, and I had a near. It wasn't like an actual clinical near death experience that I had earlier this year, but I went through two very traumatic things one after the other which there's gonna be some people who make fun of. But my traumatic experience laws because for them. This is like nothing, but I'm someone who I don't I don't drink. I don't do anything. But one time I went to a party, and I took way too many edibles, and I've never. On that before and ended up being such a psychologically like traumatic experience for me that I ended up getting sympathy afterwards because I didn't want to have that young again. And then a week after that. My sister went missing for the second time, and so those two events one after the other kind of felt like my world was processing, and I ended up experiencing lots of existential ear it was the worst year ever just because of having to go through that. And I gave up on my hobbies and everything because it made me want to stay like our hermit at my place never wanting to leave my house. Yeah. So I went through that year. And I've it's made me a frayed of everything frayed of driving afraid of claims of of billing to any sort of events. Made me very paranoid. But I will say that I've been going to their months every week, and it's helped so fricking much. Glad to hear to help. And that's a that's a hell of a a hell of a year. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like the bottom really fell out. Yeah. I've done this year too. Like. Schooling. I on on all you're breaking up. You're breaking it's doing that slow-motion underwater seeing. Oh, no. No. We don't wanna talk. It's totally. Okay. Oh, I need to know. What happened? I need to know everything that happened. We're not cutting off now. Okay. Okay. We're gonna dial you back. Okay. The hung up on her mid word. Jaren can we leave that part in where Jared callously hung up mid word. We pause the clock a Pasi clock. I don't know. I don't know button. I don't know if people are gonna be hearing this part or not. Some just gonna keep talking. Tim charitable Konno's. I. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hi. Oh my God. This is so much better. I can hear you much clear enough to. So much clear as well. Yes, he need to start over at all. No. I think we got it just pick up with that last thing. Okay. So this entire year. I have basically convinced myself that everything was dangerous, and I had to live in a bubble and any events or things I wanted to go to concerts, like like rock concerts that I've been wanting to go to all my life. Be like, no, I can't go. If I go something's going to happen. I'm going to die, and there's so many emphasis rose like this is my last day alive. This is the last thing I'm going to experience this the last thing I'm seeing and it was so overwhelming that I would I bought this book on Amazon called I'm data. Just now what Phil about all of my death wishes all of the songs that I want to be remembered for how I don't wanna funeral. And I everything to my mom. I am it her by mail and by Email because I want to make sure that she knew everything 'cause I'm I'm all alone where I live. I don't have any family around me. So I became very paranoid for who's gonna take care of my dead body once since my family's not around. So it became very awful. I was paranoid constantly, but I've been doing so much better. Now that I've been in therapy and doing 'em our treatment for PTSD to get over my phobias. Conquering one thing the time, really. Okay. I have a lot of questions. So let's go one by one. Okay. Hard couple hard questions. I wanna talk about all this on talk about honest. Co okay hard question. I mean, you said you you kind of prepared for death and let your family know. I just want to just so I'm clear was this was this just because you're paranoia had overtaken. You assumed it was coming planning to end your life a little unclear on. Okay. It was it was not something that I wanted. It was something that I felt like was going to happen because of like outside sources and also because of my sister running away and advancing my family for the second. She's she's left in the country for the second time and completely cut off all contact with everyone. I felt like I was all that my parents have left and so that I had to stay alive because otherwise. I was just geared that if I wasn't alive that my parents would have nothing, and it just it was awful. So I was like okay any basically live in an buckle. So I can stay safe for them. Right. So that that does lead to the second question. I had which was so your your sister left voluntarily and cut off communication, but. When you had initially said, she went missing. So it's not this is not she is physically safe somewhere. She's just severed communication, correct? So he he went. Two years ago for about a day and a half. But that's how long it takes to get to where she was going. I plan. And then once she finally talked to me, I found out like where he was and everything, and you know, I want her to be happy my family. We all want her to be happy. I we both. We all just wish it could have been communicated like then she came back to where my parents live, which is in the midwest. And then she ended up leaving them again a year later to go back to the same place, but these people a different country, and I'm sure from from what she has pulled me, which is very briefly in like, very big she's happy and she's living her life, but still sucks, and this is the first year where she's forgot to wish me happy birthday. And I sort of hope that would have been an icebreaker for conversations here like how she's doing? That's scary stuff. And clearly, I can just even tell from your language that this is her story, and you don't wanna show too many details. He said she left the country. He also said these people like she she's gone joined up with some sort of group. I think it's a Colt. So I can't really conclude that and you know, like, it's fine. But it's it's so I've been the last couple of months without even bothering with contacting her especially after not talking to me on my birthday. Like least not wishing you. Happy birthday. I just kind of expected that much but last night. This sounds so stupid, but I was watching frozen and just the sister relationship between Elsa and on just reminds him so much of like, my sister running away to like 'isolation, just shutting her sister outsi- sent my sister and Email being like, hey, I don't I'm not I still care about you. I love you. And I hope you're doing well. But the reason I don't mess you is because I get nothing in return. And I can't he pulling my breath anymore. I thought that that I can freed for the remainder of here and not expect anything on Christmas or New Year's right? You're bracing yourself for the holidays. Yeah. It's hard. I'm here by myself. And I can't get on a plane. Visit my family because my fuck can teach. Sorry, Sally PSE on like. You know, just try my best stay sane for the rest of the year. That's so it's so that's bien on your own when you're dealing with. Dealing with what you're dealing with really hard. But it the the fact that you're condition limits. Your ability to traveling get to people is. What that's it just ties your hands in a way. That's really said scary. I get it. I get it. And I I don't know how much you know, about me. I 'cause you know, I've been very public, and I talked about on my mental stuff on my on the HBO special. I did. But I don't want when things were at their worst for me, I dealt with a lot of paranoia as well when things were at their scariest. Oh, yeah. I can get through this done. I think so I I mean I did. And who's to say, you can never just say. Well, I did. So you should I think that attitude is is problematic. But I can tell you at the very least you're talking Tony. So I I, you know, the depression stuff everybody talks to me about all the time and the anxiety stuff. But when it really hit a pitch where I feel like when I look back and realize that I was probably actually in some real trouble and some real day to day danger. It was when the paranoia had taken over. Yeah. It's the billeting as it really is even and I wonder if you have this experience to where I think one of the things that I couldn't get across to people until I was dealing with, you know, trained professionals who had dealt with it before was there were a lot of times where logically I totally understood that things weren't real. But it doesn't change the fact that emotionally they were wrecking me. And that's a real confusing thing. Yeah. I is. For me. I I always used to think like I was a dumb kid and got a couple of speeding tickets and had a car accident at one point not the wanna talk about and my show, but a point being I have all these points on my license, and if I got anymore points, I was gonna have my license suspended, and I went into this stretch where for about a I would say solid year anytime I drove at night. I would be completely convinced that the car behind me was a police car that was about to pull me over. And it was. I can't relate to that. Specifically, but I can understand driving Zaidi because right now, I have like a like a curfew for myself where I'm afraid to drive out of certain our because I'm so convinced that a drunk driver is gonna kill me though. It's like it's so debilitating when you can't even do things that you need to do because of this paranoia. I I would say like that's. Really, you know, it feels like we had a paranoia has that were kind of cousins this idea of you know, you need to drive to function in your day to day life. You gotta gotta go do things you gotta go shop for groceries. You gotta go, you know, live the infrastructure life. But you have completely convinced yourself that something terrible is about to happen. If you get behind the wheel of a car, that's that's not a small deal, you know. And then, of course, the first things to go are the non essentials, but that's seeing friends and going out and doing social things and all of a sudden, you're spending a lot of time at home 'cause you. So completely nervous and filled with dread. And that just becomes a cycle. That built I've been there. I've been there. I I I I want to bring up that my breaking point where I realized I needed therapies was in the summertime, and I couldn't even go to the local target to get my own groceries without being afraid of like something happening that I would text my friends and have him go to target and bring me groceries because I couldn't even do a simple task like that. And then another night we met up out of Oba shop, and I was having an ex -sential breakdown because I'm gay. So I was freaking out that if I died, I was gonna go to hell even though I've never once like, I've never really been religious. But then suddenly all this panic set in where I was like. Wow. Like, I am like if it does exist, and if it is true that gays go to hell that's gonna happen to me. So I was freaking out my friend met up with me. Had a Bobo bar. I had this existential breakdown in public crying hyperventilating. This guy over here's me, and he comes up to me. And he starts telling me how he's going to pray for me. And that's when I was like, wow. Damn I I need to get everything together. Those the next day that I found therapist and. Yeah. I tell you you are bringing back some feelings and memories, I have not felt in a long time because I've I've been a strikingly similar spot. Let me I just want. You were saying Abobo bar is that like the Japanese bubble tea. I want to clear that up. I gotta say I I say this with no disrespect in with total competitors story. But to hear such an intense story. And then you keep dropping the syllables Boba throughout them is a weird dark laugh moment for me. And as a comedian, I have two point out. So I'm losing my mind, and I'm convinced him going to hell, and I went down to the Boba bar wanted to get that. And to my Boba. I'm gonna pause sick. 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The, you know, your standard milk tea with tapioca pearls cried into it until they religious L at told me, he would pray for my soul. But that's real life. That's real life. Isn't it where you're completely rock-bottom while you're drinking Japanese Boba, tea, that's real life. That's really. And that's another thing that I think I I tell you. I really applaud you for opening up about this stuff right here. Because I think use you said at the top of the car, but a lot of people are gonna make fun of me. And I want to tell you. I bet they're not. I bet they're not 'cause. I've talked about this stuff at the same fear. Everybody's going to judge me people are gonna roll their eyes at me, and I've been met with tons of people tell me that got through them. And and you talk about that incident at the bow bar. I bet there's people listening to this who have kids who have their own versions of some sort of, you know, mental illness or dealing with some either temporary, permanent mental health issues. And I bet there's some people going. I don't understand my kid. But I'm listening to this lady. Explain it, and it's helping with that. And so don't nobody's gonna laugh at you. Nobody's gonna laugh at you at all. They're gonna be appreciate I I really do. Appreciate that a lot and done something that I'm really lucky for it's how much support I've been getting from like my family. So my mom and my dad, that's really all. I have is my mom and my dad, and my co workers, my friends, I I've been really open with every. One. And I'm okay with being an open book, which is why I'm okay calling and talking to you about this today because I feel like it's it's helpful and it's relatable, and I've always been helped by the people who've been open like about their own struggles. So we're all in this together. And that's I another thing I deny with so much the memory that you're bring back is the way that you can be. Totally in a situation where you feel like you're losing your grip, and then something shocks your right back. Like, I've had that experience like you to where we're like, you say, you're sitting there and start obsessing over the fact that you might go to hell, and you're expressing it. And it's like probably panicky, and it's getting a little louder 'cause you don't even realize people are listening, and then all of a sudden someone's like, I'll pray for your soul. And then you immediately like I need help. What the hell, okay. What's called wear immediately? You're like I just found my footing again and things are going too far. Okay. If if people are sitting the point where people are actively approaching me and offering prayer. This. I'm going to big this. Yeah. Talk to ended up having a second time at that Bobo bar with another friend, and I met up with her after I've been going to therapy. And I was telling her how successful it was. And I was like kind of poking fun at the fact that I had an ex essential breakdown at Abobo bar in a house. Some guy was praying for me. And I turn around in that same guy was at the table studying again, and his friend literally just asked him. What would Jesus do? And I said to my friend, we have to go, and I can never come back here because I was so embarrassed though, I left that bobover can never go to that low bargain that that I that prayed for me, he studies there apparently. And like in the Joseph Cambell, you know, hero's journey study of myth. I believe there's this one step in that journey of like you have to go into a dark cave face down, your own soul your own reality. It sounds like this Boba bar is your version of that Seoul cave where you have to face, your deepest inner turmoil. And I want to can I just say as well, can I just say as well, I think there are people. And maybe even this guy who knows there's people who might offer up prayer, and they have nothing but good intentions, and they do come from religious Becker. And and are and we're joking about it. And you know, I've come to realize too for some people at I think, especially in the past might guess is that church was therapy for a lot of people that going to confession with a priest was the closest some people felt to therapy, and that and that can be a beautiful thing. But you, and I are joking about it. And I can tell you, and I are like minded people. And it's I wanna be clear, I'm. I'm not making these jokes because I'm rolling my eyes at the idea of prayer because some people have good intentions, but it's just there's I would love to make that clear to I I'm someone where I may not be religious. But if someone tells me like God bless you like instead of like merry Christmas. And God bless I appreciate that. Because that's them giving me their warmest wishes that you know, what makes them a better percent. The and the day like that's how they feel happiest I and someone who's I'm accepting of everyone. Whatever makes them a better percent the of the day. And if they actually like practice what they preach. It's beautiful. I again, I think I'm mostly just laughing at the fact that I never imagined myself having an existential at above a bar and someone offering their prayers to me, I just never saw myself in that in those shoes before, but yeah, I can pictures in my head. And I know it's not that this guy is ill. Will do something wrong. But it's just that moment where you look at someone and go buddy, this is not. It's just not. This is just not firm is not what I need right now. I now if I can continue crying into my cute team. Let's just an again, it now can I ask you, do you feel like this was something that you maybe prone to before the edible experience, and that kind of send it to a crisis point, or do you think that those edibles really did kinda rewire things in a way that's become this this sort of albatross. I don't know. So like, I I don't know if this is weird to like bring up, but it's like if you're a beginner, apparently, you're only supposed to take like three Miller, and it's a legal. I purchase it legally here in California, only take three milligrams. If you're a beginner, I didn't know that when I cut it into the fourth I twenty five milligrams, and that was so bad that my eyes went live shot my tongue was so dry that it was like the turned away. And then my my friends they all went out for the night, I stayed in my hotel room, and I had my favorite anime on. And I couldn't understand anything that they were saying it was it was dubbed. So it was an English. But I could no longer understand English. And I felt like a toddler. I felt like yeah. I just felt like I couldn't understand anything anymore in time is going by really really slow. And only like bit of like hope I had for myself. The fact that nobody has died from marijuana. So I was like, okay. If I just sleep this off, it'll be okay. So I'm totally like, I think it's totally fine for everyone else. But it's I I myself personally don't ever want to alter my state of mind again because that was so traumatic that I just can't handle it anymore. And it's just messed up. It just opened my eyes in a way that I so want to be opened anymore. I just wanna go back living my Ford life. How come so many of your traumatic things as year have involved Japanese culture Boba tea? Wouldn't there's a phrase now for for Americans who are like obsess about Japanese culture. But I don't know it off the top. Yeah. What is it? Yeah. Do do you buy a weed? Now, I have friends that are more weed than me. So you're not quite we bitch. But it's just just so happens that when you're when you're dipping your toes, and we've territory you have a complete mental collapse. Yeah. I guess so. I don't know. It's just the stuff that I like, I guess I'm just I'm just fun. I I tell you the first time I ever ate edibles. I never forgot this. I was a freshman in college in the the kid who lived across the hall from me. Showed up, and he had baked a big tray 'em of we'd brownies, and none of us know one on my we don't 'cause freshman. No one had ever taken edibles before. This was also in nineteen ninety eight when those edibles were thing you kinda heard about like, oh, you can make pot brownies. And when they showed up was like a big event. Now, I think that's a pretty standard thing that's out there. But my we all ate them. We all ate one. And we were talking to the guy, and nobody was feeling anything because you know, you gotta wait in our. So it turns out, but we didn't know that. And we all go to the guy who baked them, and we're like what's up with these? And he's like, I don't know. He's like all I know is that when you when you bake we'd it makes it less potent. So we probably all should eat more. So all of us were college freshmen who had never eaten edibles before. I think I had may be smoked weed twice in my life, and we all ate like for pot brownies each and never forget. Later that night. We actually had a, you know, they have like the door meetings. Where y'all got to go to the combination with the RA and RA tells you about like rules and stuff that's coming up. And there were like twenty of us who just like our eyes were pointed in different directions, we were like people slumping off chairs it looked like a scene hunter S Thompson would've wrote in a book known to believe. And then I that whole night. I spent the rest of the night just throwing spaghetti which I would argue the worst thing to throw up. It's still what's texture with. One of think about it. You'll eib. Think about it. But he reminded me of something. My therapist is telling me 'cause I've I've been very open with my therapist of which I mean, that's what you're supposed to be. But she was telling me how she has actually had clients like me who have had like bad trips that have been traumatic. So it's been reassuring to not be alone with that. She even told me that some of her like say like psychologist buddies have been to Disneyland on edibles and sat on events for six hours before crawling to get a tro. Good. Are are. Dipping sauce with you get some multi-job, Charles. Good. No, can I they have that. Can I say to you? I know I'm joking around a lot while I'm also telling you I've been through it. And I'll tell you know, how scared his, but I do hope the fact that we can laugh about this lets you know, that I have high hopes and a lot of confidence you're gonna pull through it. You're going to be okay. And I say that narc dismissively, but encouragingly because I hate when people are like you'll get through it. It's not that easy. But I've been there and you sound like you had in the right direction. All right. If I keep thinking, it's my I'm over talking to you. It's my fault. No. No. It's okay. I was just gonna say that. It's a good thing that we're on the phone today as opposed to like six months ago when I'm down rock bottom. 'cause it's it's better to tell us success story than like, I guess in in progress of success story than to be out the phone like asking you for answers, and for hope like like, I feel a lot more confident and my journey now months ago, you stemming on a runway that plane was allowed that was actually a train that went nine I'm parked in a parking lot own train just went by. It's good. That makes me feel safer about you being in a car. But I don't think did was was this something that was an issue before the edibles, and they just rocked you. Or did they bring it out? You think like did they cause it I've always had anxiety? It's never been this crippling. I've never had anxiety that made me think about this like every second of the day. And I still do I still think about that every day and my worst I had to sleep with the lights on I had to sleep with the TV on because when I'd wake up in the morning, it'd be panicking that I like died, and I still sort of get that feeling occasionally it's not as intense anymore. And I can luckily sleep without the lights or TV on now. But it was really bad over the summertime where I I had to have noise on constantly because I was scared. I was going to die in my sleep. That's where I think any rational person listens to it. And goes, oh, yeah. This is not a laughing matter. You are. Convinced everytime. I fall asleep that you've died. That's that's a lot. That's a lot. It can make even just like going going to sleep difficult. So. And driving flying everything. So I I'm just glad that I'm in a much better place, and that the therapies helping I go every other week now. That's that's a nice, and I'm not someone who feels like there's some people have a goal of. I'm gonna stop going to therapy. I'm gonna stop taking medication. I'm like, I don't understand why that's a goal. But it is nice. When a therapist says, you know, I don't think you need to be here every week. I think that's such a nice step when it's under the caring for professional. Yeah. Absolutely. And she is great. And the the way I found her was the psychologist website, and I made sure to find someone that was LGBT friendly 'cause on the website can like list of there like they're they help people who are LGBT. And that was a huge thing for me because I didn't wanna feel like I was secretly judged for any of the things. I. Talk about those been great having someone that I can click with 'cause I've had as they're busy for. They didn't click with and I did it. So when when friends tell me, oh, I I don't wanna go to therapy. I'm like I the last year because I went we didn't click or we didn't mesh. Well, I'm like, no like find another you will find your right match. They're out there. I'm gonna say something weird. And I'm not saying this to make you feel bad any way and also weird to plumbing. You haven't watched my HBO special. Have you? I I haven't. No. But I did just get someone a log in recently forgave thrown. Well, whereas I like that you didn't get it for you just actively no interest to me. But game of thrones forget, but I know, that's okay. I've watched it to a great show, but I bring it up not to plug my own ship. But if you do watch it some day, and I don't presume you will. I think you're going to start laughing hard at how similar you, and I are with our stories the paranoia, the drugs the drugs triggering it. Sometimes having a string do not click with and how awful that can be and how you have to find someone who's a good fit for you. You're gonna laugh really hard. When you think about this conversation in the context of that. It's a Friday night tonight. And I don't do anything crazy on Friday nights because of the because the paranoia. That watching that. I don't know if you should watch it in bed 'cause if you contemplate death too much volume bed, this might not be the special for bedtime. Maybe stick together with roads to happier. Game of thrones is a more. Cheerful HBO product than my special. It's my special makes game of thrones. Look like a happy. Go lucky summer breeze comedy. I I wonder just because we have been through so much more stuff. That was the most of do you ever feel like I came to a point where almost felt like do you feel like the paranoia is like weirdly like an organism that wants to stay alive? Do you know what I mean? I bring. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, you're reminding me of a quote that one of my really good friends told me, and she said don't become friends with your like, your urine Zayed's, and your paranoia, like don't treat it like a friend like if you not to say that you should ignore it. But don't feed into it. You have to do your best to sort of aside and not let it thrive. And so it helps when she told me that because I was like, yeah. I guess I happen treating it. Like, it's my companion. I need to not like think of it. As a crutch not a crutch, but I don't know just can't let it grow. 'cause I I think the thing that made me think of it is because I had a very similar thing to you where it disrupted my sleep. Endlessly, I didn't have the death thing. But I would have a constant fear that I had overslept and was late for something. And I'd wake up like every ten minutes some night in a panic that I'd missed my learn. But then when you think about it when you're exhausted it sets, an even more when you're physically exhausted. It becomes something. That's even less manageable and similar to the driving thing. I wonder how many people who experience this stuff where to fix that type of thing where it's like. Yeah. And now, it means that you can't go out and see people. And now means that you can't go out. And like we said you couldn't go. Oh to target. I can't go to the grocery store to scared. These are all things that make you feel like the paranoia is sort of the only thing you can trust fucked up. Yeah. I need. What's even worse? It there's like so many layers to it. And it's like because I live in California. I started thinking about earthquakes a lot out of nowhere after living here for eight years. I I suddenly become afraid of earthquakes, and I became so afraid of like the biggest earthquake happening that suddenly sued. Nami was going to happen. I was so convinced that the day that I decided to go to the beach is the day that something awful happens. Like that is just I couldn't even go to my favorite beach anymore because about, but I I've I've definitely overcome it because I've been there one, but it's still hard. It's still challenging and I that's something else. I was gonna say, and then I forgot oh thing it, but. I you ever watch your watch the Lord of the rings trilogy. It's great the fall asleep to I like it. I like no like I mean like. I mean, like, I always fall asleep, right? As Gandalf set off the fireworks for the kids to all eight minutes is like a nine hour experience. More. If you can't those hobbit movies. Now, you actually just reminded me of this is perfect. This this transitions perfectly into what I forgot. I was going to say so because I am afraid of driving. I'm afraid to go anywhere for the holidays. So I was considering having a Lord of the rings marathon by myself out sp- spoilt him with free. But anybody who's watched the two towers wonder said, I think that paranoia is like green mo- warning Wormtongue like king theon has paranoia anxiety. It's Crema one tongue. It's this thing. That's whispers in your ear, and you become convinced that it's right. And that's I always I feel I feel like that. You're not gonna like that. Because you're gonna see what I'm saying. Anyway, I can honestly I can handle it. I and I want to watch it. And I appreciate the heads up by sometimes I even think of my exiled he is like go. Column or it's like. You you have friends. Yes. I had the same experience. When I when I really dove deep because that came out when I was in college the first one, and I was really in the thick of my depression. I remember feeling like oh Ghalem is an analogy for addiction, and and anxiety and paranoid. This idea of like, you're you're this fucked up little being, but you're you used to be someone else in this stuff is just taken over. And it's sorta how you're letting people see you and how you're seeing yourself. I always felt like that. Turns out Lord of the rings has a is good turns out. It's a good layers to. Look at that. Lord of the rings getting a free plug on the show. How often? I'll tell you what these upcoming people. They don't get the free plugs because advertisers, and they paid for them. But that doesn't mean that I don't stand by them. A lot of good products services. You're about to hear about use the promo coats, and we'll be right back after this. Support for today's show comes from third love with tag labels, ultra soft fabric signature half-cup. Sizing and straps that won't slip third. Love is hands down the most comfortable bra you'll own and tell you what obviously I I am not someone who's tried the Brown myself. My wife did. And she had a great experience. She loves her third love bra tell you more about that in a second. Here's what you do you. 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Like, you're just think about these. And what it does that actually reprocesses those memories to make them. I dunno. Make you a little bit more less triggered by them. I guess apparently. Yeah. Most people get success after like eight sessions, and I can. Definitely agree that it's been very helpful. For me. We either talked to I might have talked about that with someone on the show before or someone in real life who's done it. But I've heard about that it sounded really interesting. I think it's really interesting this site a mental health that people are exploring now where it's not talk therapy. But actual actual like. How would you say almost like physical therapy for the brain like actual methodologies yellow to to to get certain muscles, working certain ways. Now, it's very fascinating. I mean, the brain is a really interesting thing and at at my worst over the summer, I really should've been doing so much research, all my brain. 'cause it only made it worth. I bought it. I bought this magazine at whole foods that literally said all about the brain. And I was like I wanna read this. And then I regretted it because it made me think too much. It's kinda like going down the two poll of trying to watch other people's videos about near death experiences. It was not good for me. So I go down that hole. Because that's when I found the fearmongering videos about people who saw hell when they have ended up experiences. So sometimes you just need to protect yourself and you have to like like on Twitter. I have muted the words like that guy in dead. Like died 'cause people use those words non literally every single day all day long. Like, oh, like, that's so cute. I'm dying. I'm dead. And I didn't realize how triggering it's not triggering for me right now. But like just hearing the word when I wasn't expecting to hear it all the time. I was like. Wow. So I love the feature on Twitter where you can mute words to make your, you know, your time line a lot better for you, mentally, you gotta protect your brain. For a lot of us with the issues you and I have just muting muting the word Twitter from our vocabulary would help a lot. If that if Twitter if Twitter was because I have to use them for. But I wouldn't be on this phone call. If it weren't for my Twitter. Notifications for you right now. Very true. Very true. So I was very lucky that I got that notification from Twitter, I'm happy, we're talking it's doing helping new tell ping need it. It. Yeah. Because I excel tell you this the paranoid. I was actually put on a medication specifically for the paranoia a pretty pretty just one milligram day of an antipsychotic called rispler doll pretty heavy duty stuff and it helped so much. It helps so much and I was put on they put me on with the intention of putting me on it for short period of time. But it it bought me the breathing room to kind of get to the bottom of a lot of stuff. And yeah, it was really a good experience for me. But it's you you are bringing back and making me realize the progress I've made with this stuff. And I thank you for it. And that was that was in two thousand two was that the first time I saw string two thousand two and I still deal with some stuff, and you were dealing with heavy duty this summer. But I hope that our talk today helps you realize like, yeah, you're. Your openness about it. Right now means you're headed back in the right direction and many many years. Yeah. Yeah. And I hope that one day I can look back on this. Call and see even more progress that has been I keep track of my progress. It's crazy 'cause I I journal, and I it's so crazy. I was looking back at my old journal entries the other day to see like how far I've come. And as soon as you open my journal says feel free to read or share if I'm no longer here. Disclaimer thinking that like something about it's going to happen to me. And I want people to like see like, my final words and thoughts, and like I kept writing at the end of my journal entries. I'll explain more tomorrow. If tomorrow comes like saying things that were so like, I had no hope for tomorrow because I was just so convinced that I would die in my sleep. And so that was my final statement it actually became a kind of like OCD thing for me where I felt like if I couldn't write in my journal that night something. Would happen. And no one would know like my final thoughts. So I've actually conditioned myself to go periods of time without journaling. So that way, I know. Hey, that's not connected. That's not true. You can still live your life. Your life isn't dependent upon you writing a journal. Oh, it's it's good to write in every now. And then but not to make it an obsessive thing I still have just a couple of vestiges of that in my life. I still deal with stuff. I was I was super depressed last week last week and many many years into my treatment never totally goes away. I still minus if if any sort of cabinet door is open before I go to sleep. I am convinced that that is a very bad thing, the very dire consequences and logically. I know. That's not true. But I still walk around every night, and I shut every drawer and every cabinet door. And I'm I sneak it sometimes too. I was at my brother-in-law's house and hanging out there. I feel so dumb saying this 'cause I'm snee- at my brother-in-law's house in my his his wife was like cooking something or making tea or something and she left a cabinet door open. I just quietly walked over and closed someone else's cabinet door and caught myself and. Like yet. That's still a still the last vestiges of me, and my paranoia stuff. But it's not the thing. Cabinet doors open. Listen, you inmate we would be best if you were able to get on a plane and travel in New York City, and we could hang out we'd be, but unfortunately, we can't do that. We can't do that. Because you're terrified. But my goal is is so back to New York City. I miss a lot. The thing that's been keeping me sane lately. Sorry over the place, but I've been watching much gossip girl lately. My goal is to go back to New York City and where a fancy dress on top of a roof hop lounge. Overlooking the city 'cause I just think that'd be so damn cool. So if you can do that, and I can live vicariously through you. That would be amazing me to put on a fence dress and take a picture myself that rooftop lounge for your mental comfort. I think you would enjoy it too. Maybe I've never I don't think I've ever worn a dress. Have I maybe for I think maybe once for a comedy sketch years ago back when? That's cool to you. And your wife, just go on top of a rooftop lounge and taking view and live your best gossip girl life gossip girl life. I watch a couple of gossip girl was that guys named Chuck best. Wasn't he on gossip girl? I think I think in the very early days if on I once talked about my love of Chuck bass, I think Chuck bass is one of the greatest that that actor to be given. I love shows like that where they're just full of joy and fun. But where they unabashedly are like, here's this one character nothing well round about it. He's just a squirmy evil prick and his name as Chuck bass. And we're not going give them any redeeming qualities. Why bother let's just have fun and the actor clearly had so much fun. Just being like, yeah. I'll just play a weasel named Chuck bass and not worry about the as any other qualities in his life. All Chuck bass. Gestures name. That's it. Listen, if I'm ever on a rooftop lounge. I will not take the picture. But I I I almost don't want to because that's your journey to walk. And you gotta get there. I don't wanna I don't wanna check box for you. That's true. Yeah. L happen. 'cause I got I have my Broadway shows any to see. So you've got time for all kinds of entertainment except my special. Kidding? It's just that. We're talking about this. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just kidding audio book though. So we don't have to make it more about me. The jokes were just sitting there. I'm not trying to you know, that if it's HBO thing, I only gonna get. Hitting stop bring. Well, I'm so we have less than ten minutes left. This one flew by. Wow. Don't even know what else to say. I've just I have to tell you. I know how hard it is. And I'm I've been laughing and joking, but that's only because I feel such comfort with the conversation and with you. But I also I just want to reiterate, it's not a laughing matter. And and it's it's the impact this stuff can have on your life is profound and just being able to hear you express this all and such a clear way. And in a hopeful way in a forward thinking way, it gives me a lot of real warm feelings because I think that's one of the first steps to be able to speak to it with some perspective and not be caught up in it. Thank you. I really appreciate that a lot. And it's it's really reassuring to know about if you've gotten through things than I certainly can too. It's it's not the end of the world. Even though it feels like it's crashing. It's now time for me to bring up something again, very Wiebe ish. In these last ten minutes. If you don't find out glad we. So you feel know are you familiar with the and I'm totally and I'm fine with this. But anyone that knows me who's listening? I'm totally like outing myself right now. But if you know anything about paying heart. Kingdom hearts video game. It combines final fantasy characters and and Disney characters. Actual copyrighted characters meet up. Yeah. Yeah. So basically it's been thirteen years since the last game. I mean, there's been more games that have been out in between. They are very very important to the story. But where the last game off if been thirteen years. And a lot of my paranoia has been that. I hope I can survive until at least that game comes out. And so that comes out in January twenty nine so I'm really holding onto hope that I get to play that game. And that nothing bad will happen. And I get to finally play the game. I've been waiting thirteen years to play, but they released like a small trailer for the other day, and I recorded my reaction crying as I watched it and heard it because it was so emotional for me that I I didn't think I was gonna live long enough to to see that or to hear that it just it was very surreal into now. I have hope that this just forty six more days on my end like and can finally play that game. So it's the goalpost of mine is not like my whole life doesn't revolved around to the game. But it's something that's so important to me, and my childhood that I'm really. It's gonna be a really powerful moment when I can finally play that game. And I don't think there's anything. Silly about that. I don't I know that feeling so well, I know that feeling so well being totally depressed. Early yet. But there's a new Star Wars movie in December. So I'm gonna keep fighting. I think that that's beautiful. That's beautiful. Adventures movie things forward to give you hope I just say alive. So I can he things and play these games where I'm like, I'll be totally depressed. Like, man, the first man was funny at man and wasp looks good too. I guess all the took myself up off the floor and try to be productive because there is a hope after all in the form of Michael Douglas. Oh, it was great eventually. I rented it on Amazon thirty days ago. And I forgot to to watch it within thirty days. I wanted to watch it last night and it expired, so I need to I'll watch that. After your special watch it. I it's better. It's the most underrated. They're straight up funny marvel movies, even like them, you're gonna pay, but I would put my thing like six or seven th on the list of probably freak you out too much. Freaky? I'll I'll I'll be. Okay. Knowing that you're okay. Then that we had this conversation. Knowing that you're okay. That's how it works. We gotta team up all of us. And even a even just theoretically, even just theoretically like you, and I got to have this conversation, and that's awesome. And that's beautiful. But all that being said. Even when we're not directly on the phone. There's millions and millions of people fighting through the same thing. And I can think of that, theoretically, even though I don't know them all individuals, and it's inspiring to me, it's really inspiring to me, and we have to give ourselves that freedom. Have to give ourselves. I just. No, I tell you. It's a. It's not easy. And I just saw someone person. I didn't even know that. Well. Just a couple of weeks ago. I saw she I taught her in an improv workshop when she was in college. And I only met her that one day, but we're Facebook friends after that. And she. She lost the fight. And I saw it and it rocked it rocked me, you know. But then when you hear something like that, it reminds me man, there's so many there's so many people fighting this fight, and we have to be in together. I have to be. No, you're right. I I'm and I'm so thankful for you and this community, and what you've done for so many other people and what everyone else and within the community has done for each other. It truly is beautiful, and I'm forever grateful for the community for this podcast for helping me through everything just listening to it. And now finally be being able to talk to you about it. Luckiest guy in the world this job. I know that I know that you you want to hear good paranoia related story since you've been talking about it so much so. Last year. I don't think I talked about this on the show. Did I talk about the diner thing? Jared does that ring a bell? I'm of did I I was sitting in a diner by myself last year. And this was my TV show is still on the air in the podcast blown up. And I've been I've been on this little hot streak, you know. And it's nice. That's nice. Keep it in perspective that will go away. But. I'm from jersey diners a lot of people from jersey. Like, that's there's diners everywhere in jersey, it's famous for and it's like, that's like the feeling of home to me if I'm in the city and I'm stressed Eichel eating diner. It relaxes me. And I was eating on the Upper West side in diner, all by myself. And I'm playing with my phone, and all of a sudden, a tag that picture Facebook and open it up, and it's a picture of me eating in that diner at that moment. And somebody has yes, somebody is tag me in it in a not the beautiful Facebook group the world together. Joe fits hangup. We're weirdo gathered show, and he's like just get in the wild. Let's guess what? He's eating and I. Doubt freaked out. And I I really I was like. And had like a claps, and I tell you, and I talked to my wife about it. And she was like come did you've worked really hard to like. Now, you're gonna complain. You've like worked your ass off your whole life and complained about a hard. It was now people recognize you, and you're getting a little fame you're gonna complain about that to my shrink. Also was like come on. Like, it's nice that rain, but I couldn't get it out of my head. And I talked about it with my therapist couple times. And finally, she goes, you know, what I just realized she's like I've realized something about why you can't get out of your head. She goes when you were in your your early twenties and things were at their worst paranoia was one of the that was the biggest red flag for you. That made you feel like you were the closest to actually losing your mind, and you asked to think people were following you. And now someone's actually taking clandestine photos of you, and you're feeling all these feelings. That remind you of your early twenties when you were thought you actually permanently gonna lose it. But she's like, you gotta realize the problem back, then with those feelings wasn't the feelings themselves. It was that it wasn't real. And now, you gotta get used to feeling those same exact feelings and understanding that it is real someone did take a secret picture of you. That's valid to freak out about. But the feeling of freaking out is making you feel like you like you felt when you're at your worst. And it's bringing me back to that place. Triggered that for you. So point being it never goes away. Good luck. Never goes away. Visit gets easier to cope with if you learn and you get the right full learn to master it not vice versa. And I think you'll continue. Yeah. We got about fifteen seconds left. I thank you for this. Call and I hope you keep fighting the good fight and doing better and better. And I believe in you. Thank you. Thank you. Everyone. Caller. I mean, it so much am happy to hear that. You are processing stuff the fact that you can speak to it. So clearly gives me great great hope, and I think you're gonna get through this. I know it's tough. And I know you're on your own and please fighting the good fight. I think your head of nitrogen thank you for calling sharing your story. Thank you the conham booth. Thank you to Harry Nelson. 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A2G159 - Front Line Assembled

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A2G159 - Front Line Assembled

"Canal listening a sound talent media. Check out more shows at sound. Telemedia dot com. You know you know what the show is. And we'll do the intro second. This is me doing a little added thing because this episode was recorded last weekend. We didn't have this information in front of us. I just want to want to give our condolences to the friends and family of Stephen hopperton and corey day. These are fellows from perth australia. And the that's on the other side of the planet to a lot of the listeners But the reason that you should care aside from the fact that they're human beings is also because you may not know it but you have a lot shared experience with these people Stephen played in Miles away who. I'm sure a lot of you know and He ran common. Bond records also put together some tours but and corey day. He played in battle truck and and pc thog which. I think stephen the to But anyway he is the reason that i wanted to do. This was because When it came to our attention it came with a lot of love and it was It was clear that these people had done a lot for their scene and align that particularly resonated with me was that they were supportive of of young people. And i'm not always that. And i admire people that are so i just wanted to give a shoutout. An r.i.p to these two gentlemen and Our condolences to to the community in perth and and also on friends and family Everybody keep your head up. Those two fellas Passed away in in very close to each other in time. And that's how life goes. Sometimes it can you got to express love for the people around you So this is a fun episode. I promise but Wanted to pay our respects welcome to axe to grind the hardcore podcast. I'm patrick i'm bob and tom and joining us today. I'm carly i'm daniel. I'm erica. Hello welcome you for joining us on our six person Intercontinental phone call. So is this what people do office jobs. Is this the thing is. I held a meeting that iran the other day there was sixty. Five people in this is this is it. Don't go at least you know what if you run the meeting you could just everyone and it's terrible it's awful. It's just a saic of people. None of them were paying an ounce of attention. I close my camera and meet myself. I saw some kids someone posted on twitter that some kid one of their students made their picture it just as reconnecting so he signs on as reconnecting them leaves brilliant run smart inter-sos far these days like i never thought of that audible so before we get into more talk on the way the world is right now a big shoutout to all of our sponsors. We're gonna keep it quick today to live a lie. Death wish inc closed casket activities and run for cover records You know we love them. Support them they all have stuff going on. They all have web stores. Y'all may be have stimulus. Money go support them and Tell mexican sancho big. Maybe up big. Maybe i know. But that's what is carly danielle and erika. Thank you for joining us today. Yeah thank you. y'all are involved in something. You're all involved some called to the front. Which is a project that i've followed since the inception. I don't think i've really talked to any of you. The four other than danielle who i've known for approximately eighty five years But it's yeah give or take right I it's one of the coolest projects going. And i respect it. It's kind of thing that the energy around. It's super awesome. Can you give us a little background. Because i think and one of the reasons that i finally kinda got off my ass. Hey danielle we do. This was that we just past the four year anniversary of your first event. So i don't know who wants to take it from there. But can you tell us a little bit about to the front and how it started america to the front. It started as just an art. Show that courtney. Kohl's who's another catastrophe based in los angeles at her art show which was all artists that were women of color not music based at all but we from that show had the idea of trying to get some friends together to do. That's music based in like after a lot of brainstorming. We both knew hardly at the time. And i think. I think courtney new. Denial had just admired her work online. Like most artists. That i find out. It's just all online and they were down to join us so that started from four to now over fifty artists and we've done ten shows in different cities on we partnered with samsung fury in los angeles last time that they had show so. That's like a fond memory because the last one is obviously cancel or And yeah so. It's been four years now. Anyone else want to We we had a some cool things that were going to happen. We were gonna do anti-fascists in pittsburgh. and then we were going to do sound and fury. Obviously those two things didn't happen. So obviously a bummer. A the we were we were. We had all these plans. We had all these like. We have like ideas of cities and but of course all that got put to a screeching hall road broad question for everybody. I guess just to get the temperature of the room. Everybody doing alright. During lockdown during whatever's going on right now like being halted in some of the things that you wanna do is 'cause. Tom accused me of getting liking this too much and getting lazy and not wanting to tour and stuff like that. Are you all adapting or are you losing your minds. how how's it going individually. Carl gave this. Oh danielle give the so-so carly tell us about every doing. Just okay ish. Yeah i mean. I wasn't okay before you know like i was never good so no i'm used to working like twelve or eighteen hour days in being gone ten months of the year and now i'm i'm just here all the time and it's okay not everyone pat. Not everyone is what's his name action bronson. He's the only person. I know that has flourished during technically flourished. I've extreme. he's i'm making money. You have more things going on. Like i just the thing that people tend to know me from just a total standstill but personally as well. No i mean it is said in the respect that i'm very very far away from the woman in my life and that's not good but like the in general bob ni- career at yes. I'm away from you guys. That is heartbreaking but career-wise it's been kind of a boon because so when carly goes on tour. She actually gets paid when i go on tour. It's a this has been a nice opportunity to catch up financially. I'm almost like like a real adult in almost the opposite for me i was doing financially well up until that and i was like well. There goes everything i wanted to. I wanted to ask really quick. Because carly mentioned this. And i. I've been going crazy quietly. Is this stationary nature of all this. That clearly was part of your job. It's not part of my job. I don't need to travel for my job but being in the same place for this long is making me. Go crazy like i'm. This is the longest time. I did end up having to do some stuff where i travelled a bit but i was the longest. I've been without being a california. For example since i was a child so i i'm going nuts and For people who events and kinda put on things it's it's sort of. It's an added weird stress. When you're involved all three of you go to a lot of live events music different stuff. Has that changed in your life. Impacted you have you started to feel it on a regular basis or is it been a longer soaking in process. I'm gonna say that. I love live music and obviously i love. You know do like getting to do what i love. And it's so great to be at a show when gunmen to like erica. Or seek harley you know like those. Are i really miss those things but on the other hand i have crippling social anxiety and on top of regular anxiety on top of deployment just depression and right so i mean the layer cake. It's gross layer cake. But i will say though like it's nice to not have that social anxiety but that's i think really the only upside like i kind of like you know going off the grid and like disappearing and like you know nobody thinking about me or wonder just like to be like invisible and it's been it's been that been nice daniel. I don't mean to. This was not the purpose of this of having you all guests but now just super curious do you do you do you get nervous. That indulging the part of yourself because these guys will tell you. I don't need to leave the house for anything but whole foods pretty much ever and and my i think most people accept it as a part of my personality. People like my mother. Worry a little bit do you. Do you think that sometimes by indulging your natural inclination towards being alone or being removed from people that you are kind of reaffirming. Some of the potentially maladaptive behaviors. That you might have so. Are you saying self sabotaging is absolutely. Maybe it's easier to fall down a hole then than it is to crawl out of one. And like i feel great when i'm not around people but then i'll realized shortly the i haven't had a real conversation in a month and i'm starting to. I'm starting to be like the castaway in some treasure island. You know what i mean like. I'm having a hard time forming sentences. I also like to be alone a lot. But sometimes i think about patrick go art. I got a call. The student talk to perfume minutes. Because i'm not sure if he's talked to anybody for a day or two but the thing is i feel great but then i also wonder is it maladaptive and i wonder if you're going through the if you have those same thoughts i mean. Yeah i guess in a way. I feel like you hit. Compare it to. I don't know like pushing on a bruise or like popping. A pimple gets. It's like kind of a self destructive thing but it's like whatever you know. It's who i am. It's part of you know part of my nature like i've i've kind of tried to get complete almost completely off social media like i'm off off twitter facebook. I don't have tiktok or anything and but with instagram. i've just been going down this like nostalgia whole lately. Because i've definitely been like i so i was talking to one of my friends from woke spare and She commented on like an old photo title friday. Posted from like redwood art space. I think self defense family probably played the show you. When you're done on your story you can tell people how badly ruin that show for the crowd but yes gone. No we had equipment. We had we had equipment break but we didn't get off the stage until it was fixed so like we probably were onstage for an hour at a show that is not our show. You did cut a song or two when you realize you're like it was one of the in principle is the rudest thing i've ever done show guys who have always been good to my bands. I my memory of it was. hey we drove. We drove a long way to play this shit. We're going to get through this set and my memory is that things just kept breaking and we were just like well. I guess patrick's gonna talk for eleven minutes but not that not that good at that. Sorry go on no no. That's funny that you mention that because that just reminds me of like the first time i met you ten years ago. I was like mommy guy talks law and i was like nineteen but it's funny has dried she. She a like responded to one of the pictures i posted and she was like when you didn't even know that these were the best days of your life and i was like. Oh like stabby. I just like immense. Oh since then. I've just been super nostalgic like just like a. This was from two thousand nine. this is from. Oh my god like what the fuck like. This is who i am now. Just this really sad nostalgic person. I just you know while we had it good and we didn't even know. Oh sorry go ahead please I like definitely everyone is Can fall into this trap that i love reminisce but i never looked back at stuff and think like wow. This was so good. I like i can never look back at something. It'd be like. I was so happy. Because i was never. I can always look back and be like at least i wasn't happy then either. The thing is like i was probably worse in my depression and anxiety like back. Then that i am now because i did not have coping skills and i never have i ever knew how to handle myself except for being like a loud obnoxious person because i i don't know what to do but it's definitely just like oh i miss these little like i try to find little pockets of happiness in all the despair because then those are lack. I don't know this is i. I know this is getting dark. But it's like those like great memories like nice little moments salt lake. I'll always to look back on. And then it's like back to just the depression back to be exact. I like reminiscing about certain dane trying to forget the other stuff so a photographers and tell. Tell me about the relationship between now. This is me trying to be like fucking some like you're on masterpiece theatre now. Tell me about the relationship to yet about the relationship. That's old reference bob. Half of our audience is not gonna even get mine. Never fucking the tell me about the relationship between capturing images and establish the two things seem intertwined yeah invariably linked and i'm the sort of fellow. No no offense to anybody that does show photography. I'm sick of looking at myself. I never need to look at myself again in my life. But i i do find myself. I follow one of those youtube. Put like everybody's got this in their hometown. I assume the one strange archivist that record every show. There's one from where i'm at. Who will post something. Like maybe like once every three months and i'll go. Oh this was a terrible show. I'm going to watch it for an hour and fifteen minutes. Now tell me about your relationship between the relationship and yours between photography style. Ju- if you have an answer for that question. I i don't know if danielle and eric you ever experienced this but sometimes i will go through like spells of not editing or doing anything photo wise other than actually been simply shooting them than never touching the camera again I like sometimes. I can't edit stuff 'cause me out to walk it like especially if it was like a happy time So that's what i have to say. Yeah i have to say for the most part towards the beginning of quarantine. I was kind of burned out from shooting shows. Because i was going so often i liked doing behind the scene stuff than just beyond the life photos and then all of those photos like immediately. I was like looking back at them. Editing them and just like being so stoked on like the those memories in hoping that shows. We're gonna come back in the summer. It was like march like the shows are coming back in the summer They didn't come back and like from then until now. I haven't for the most bar unless someone asks me for a photo for something specific. I haven't touched any of my music work. I don't post it anymore. Because for the most part when i post something like my favorite from that set so i don't wanna just give you photos of the ban that you can't watch for another year or two and i've thankfully recently been more shooting salman shooting things that are day-to-day stuff. That will i was into shooting. When i was getting into photography when i was like fifteen so that's one positive from this is now unlike kind of like realizing that fire that had for photography and just making images they don't have to be of a band or of a show but i definitely miss it in like looking at any of my music. Archives is just depressing. I i wouldn't. I wouldn't try to convince you to do otherwise. Do whatever you want with your photos. But i will say that a as much as that is experienced for a lot of people the inverse is also. The fact like danielle said some people. Just look at those old photos and just like a beacon to them. You know what i mean so. Obviously you do what you want. But it's it's it's kind of like an interesting thing. That i feel the same way about like i think bob and i've talked about this. Because he has a child. I get very dark about milestones and i got no idea why i had a good childhood. But like birthday parties communion communes anything like that. I just get like dark. I don't know why. And but other people they look at them and they go. You know what i mean. That was that was. So it's i. I probably experienced things similar to how you do of looking at these things and going down this almost like a scab right now but there's a lot of people feel otherwise it's weird because i like watching the videos and i love watching the live stream. I love seeing the hate five six videos of any show that i wasn't even at but if it's my own photos on dan like i remember specifics about that night or that that show or that tour in. It's just like i am optimistic for when things come back like as anxious emma s i feel to go to like a very populated place right now. I know that i will be very down to go to a show once on vaccinated and i have a million questions so i better get him before. Pat s other. I ask a question that i make it about myself for eleven minutes and then again. What's your favorite curse word. My favorite cars is bob. So if you don't mind expanding. What i talked about for four minutes. See what danielle the way danielle put. It is the best. You've always been a good talker. I met you years ago. And you've just ernestine sacking free hasn't stopped talking since then a let me say this. I got my first message of this type the other day. Bob and tom interrupt you too much and i said thank you so much that i've been i said i've been waiting for this. I appreciate that we have to now my mom. That would be something. My mom says but no i was happy. It was someone that appreciated being turned onto final conflicts really thinks it rips loves it. Yeah to tell them. Yeah thanks bob. Okay at and said potato. -rupt you a lot. And i said i know i really know what would be. If we didn't nightmare i would literally put up reconnecting and then walk away of questions. I'm sorry go on. I've questions so one of the things are carly. Did what started few with photography was like. Were you interested in photography. I or were you like a show. Photography person that learned like expanded from punk and hardcore or were you into photography to start such question all three please but i was always into like taking snapshots of friends and stuff like my grandfather was super into photography and i like somewhere in storage. Have like a bunch of his old equipment. Mom always always taking photos of the family So i was always into like just you know making snapshot syringe. So of course. When i started going to shows i started bringing a camera and kind of you know developed And whoever else wants the cat we have seven seven living things in the room now. He's my emotional support. Man older I was. I think i was like fifteen when i started taking potocki classes and i was already going to show up at that point so i just remember like i still have some wonky notebooks of just like disposable photographs of like like the virus in the glass at the glass house in pomona on. You can't see anybody. You can see the back of a few mohawks. But i for some reason took those photos pasted them on the paper and i was like wanna see this in the future like. I don't know but it happened naturally because i was shooting my friends and i've got a digital camera and did it more seriously now here. We are well when i was probably maybe twelve years old. I was very nosy. When i lived in my parents house. And i remember going through those like Like it's like a hutch with your like china and then just like drawers that your parents just put shit in out. Yeah i was so bored. I was going through it and i pulled out like my mom had this camera to. It was a canon e one. This obviously is not the same one that one broke but it was. But i found it and i was like holy shit. This is crazy. And i started playing around with it and i was like mom. What's up with this. And she's like oh like y'all i'll fix up and get some film for you because i guess she was very into photography when she was in high school and she just she doesn't throw things away she's she's not a quarter but she's she's very also very static person so she keeps a lot of stuff So this was also kind of the time. I was listening to pumpkin hardcore And going to local shows in doylestown So i just was kind of shooting just everyday stuff on film and going to shows. But i didn't actually Start taking photos at shows. Until i was probably like probably like two or three years later. so 'cause i mean in doylestown we had a the teen center With which is like. I guess kind of legendary in way but yeah i just i had like a point and shoot. I would bring their in shoot and i don't think anyone would give a shit and then people started asking me to see the photos in here. I am. i think funny story. That's kind of its known. So i don't know if you know you know someone who's part of to the friend who was part of some of the shows becca later who've tried to have on an amazing so her. Her photography teacher is pam married to corey williams so she got into photography through pam from the lion. Who's like the o. G. long island like hardcore photographer. And now like they shoot alongside each other. So it's it's fucking amazing so cool. She's for mazing photographer. Coal make so interesting. So full disclosure with total respect for all three. I'm not like photography guy at all. I feel like a lot of my. It's no different than yeah. It's worse than you think it's like my father was just like. Oh no i'm now. I'm like i'm like the person that's like i don't know it's just like a image of a thing that happened right like i perfectly don't understand. This is going to connect to a conversation. I'm gonna privately with patrick soon about how he doesn't listen to his own voice so we'll talk about it later. Yeah i don't like it's just the thing that happened like right. So i'm not like Interested in photography. But like i know. But i am interested in any thoughts where there's a lineage. Like i found it very interesting. I believe you said that there's at least some family connection people in your family enjoyed photography at one time. And then you and then. I thought that was interesting that thomson. I'd never thought about the fact that just as in music. There's oh jeez. People that i would be really interested in hearing story from people that i would be interested in knowing what it was like at whatever era or whatever it totally and this is obviously stupid fuck. It totally. didn't occur to me that photographers have that as well right like you can have that conversation with an older photographer and just be like blown away in the same way that i am when i met the stern brothers like like that type of that type of like. Og things cool. I'm bob and i talked about it. I'm sure everyone's familiar like. Bj pappas and justin dmitri like i saw bj was part of like part one of the shows to in new york like that was at the both of them like the photographers. There was really nobody else. So and this is part of my second question and then i'll see out seed back to erica. Had some is for. Gosh sorry. sorry it's what you were going to say. I grew up looking at jay's photos and like any response from her that she was interested in being part of our la show. i was just. It was more exciting to me than like meeting. Anyone else that i've met was talking about like her being interested in sending work to be on the show and actually finally meeting her at another photographers like separate show later on but she got usually still nice and she's incredible. I mean yeah. Yeah that yeah sorry. That just reminded me of another photographer. Who was very prominent in like the eighties dc punk hardcore scene. Susie j horrigan. I think is how you pronounce your name. Book called punk love actually. This is the book that i didn't. I forgot about this. 'cause i'm old and i've terrible memory now But i picked up this book. When i was in middle school at the doylestown bookshop and i looked through it and i was like. Oh my god. She took the cover art teen idols. Cover art all the all the most famous minor threat. Bad brains black flag photos G is the reason that i decided to start doing behind the scenes documentary stuff and she credible and i'm like why don't more people know who she is or talk about her but it's just like yeah like bj and just like these. These incredible i feel like the pioneers. You know of of of show photography. Absolutely and i think something like bob we were talking about earlier and i think For banned photography has become at least in my opinion more economy than any record cover that band could have. And i think you know like all your work and like angela. You're not remember you're remembering a turnstile picture more than remembering a turnstile album cover more most likely because there's so many iconic photos and i guess this kind of speaks to like the bj's and stuff like that but like are there any sort of like where there any photo zero like shit. That's kind of if i could make that. Yeah that's what i would want to do. I mean it's the same thing in music. It's like oh man. I wish i could write a song like that like this photo. If i could somehow get something this cool. I would want to do that. The london calling cover. I you know i. It feels like a cliche answer but connick and also i believe the story with that photo is that the photographer didn't initially want it used because it's not like technically perfect photo. It's not like short focus. That's always happens. Yeah so i try to. I try to remind myself of that. Just because i becau can definitely be way too precious with things that no one is gonna notice I think looking at like suzy's work And just thinking of some very like conic record covers that were like i think Cover for out of stab was like oh he just put his head down and we took the photo. It wasn't planned. It's like holy shit like imagine like i'm like holy shit like that's like you know. Goals taken iconic photo. That just happened in wasn't planned you know like it's like i love those stories like those are my absolute favorite stories. Those are i. Think the most inspiring there's too many I can't really pin right. One right now but i would say that like For live stuff. There's a photographer named jim marshall. And he documented a lot of johnny cashes behind the scenes in live photos and Black and white film so like his Is for me are like the most inconceivable to know that it's his work and just grew up looking at them and being so like enamored by and then going to like a punk show on being like our wanted somehow emulate that. I don't know if i succeeded. But i like the fact that like everybody has their own style of taking pictures and non live album. Cover the damage album. Cover is my favorite. And i've always. I've had a photo inside of of novel but not on the front. That's still one of the dangling carrots for my career so another. I'm going to shut up about this. Hobby ravi red cheeks out literally. Like i don't even he kind of. He inspired my guests like me starting to shoot hardcore punk shows the way i did. And i remember my showing. He messaged me on. He messaged me on center fuse and told me he like i was in high school. He told me he liked one of the photos. I took and i remember being like freaked out. I was like this guy. This guy he he likes something i did. And then we formed like a beautiful friendship. And i think he's one severely underrated he is. He's probably like one of the absolute best avenue. It and i wish he still did it And he's also just such a kind wonderful person like he's i remember. He like this. So when i was probably nineteen or twenty. He called me. I was in ocean city new jersey with my family. And he's like hey. Can you come to philly too. Sick of it all promos. I'll give you my lights. And i was like definitely i was sweating the whole time. I was so anxious. I think voters were terrible but the fact that he asked me to do something like that. I was just like me lake. It's still. I'm still in all to this day. He is. he's just such an amazing person. Incredibly down to two. Yeah yeah can. I ask a question. This is again part of my total ignorance on photography stuff bands. That the three that we really like that we acknowledge are not good right like it just has charm. And is there any photographer's don't name them cannot meet understand. Wish list frame it this way as opposed to that. I i think the way carly talked about that. The clash record. You know like a photo that if you know about photography or like you know this isn't you know it's kind of you know you might look at a different way but it still has so much personality or like pat was saying charm the you find yourself drawn to it way. Say that great question. Firstly that photographers. Worst critic is the Photographer themselves look. We all are so hard on each other on here. I was going to say you should hear us talk right before shows but go on your wait. What's that like. What is it like a pep talk. Is it like just getting out your fears. what is it like. it's all of us the other. Yeah we're all like is it. Can i just leave. Can we go all pretty introverted planning something that people are going to specifically to see your work in. You is like a nightmare. It's like it's like a bad dream where you're in front of people at school alina like but it is in your fears and you have like an adrenaline rush. Right after that you'll because you're illuminating. Something i get it because i'll i'll do episodes where i just asked these questions. But they don't ask me back. It's your the photographer. Yeah they're holding the camera but they're behind it. They're nanya in front of it. You know so. When you put that together i never. I've never thought about it like that. You're right and kerry put recording demo and then playing in front of two hundred people right. I mean it's like there's no kind of you know like your your own worst critic just like we all like anyone who does any kind of artistic thing and now you're putting it out to be seen by hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people you're like this is the worst thing. Yeah i totally can see doing the live event and puts them in front with it though. You know you can post pictures and you're not you're not like hey here i am with my picture. It's just here's the pictures you know. That's a lot of like. Oh yeah i don't. I didn't know you took that. And it's like but before ira blake. I knowed erica and carly finally remember this but like our very first show. I mean we were all. There's like a. I think erica took a picture of me laying on the floor because i was having such bad anxiety and we were all just sitting there like can we like and not to sound on grateful but it was just very overwhelming. When you're so used to being the one behind the camera your Your invisible and you know you're there to like your job is to document people but then when you're kind of put on display it's just like oh my god. Can we go home. Like i feel vaguely. I feel nauseated thinking about those days. This is such a thing to the notion of having a need to express yourself but also having a deep social anxiety where all of the mechanisms by what you do that are just for lack of a better word. Triggering as hell and like. I never really thought about that. Because i i. That's not what i experienced. But that's like that's a trip we got. We got the mechanical 's of to the front but with all of this said why why what what. Why do it because it's so it's like to do the event because you're like audrain could no i i understand you know like there's there's this place and you guys filled this void but like knowing you're going to go up against these kind of this conflict of self you know to do an event like this and think with our first show it was it was supposed to just be like friends Known is asking us to put our work on the wall. So we're gonna put artwork of on the wall have like a little just a hang right but since then there's been more herbaceous behind it and it's also been kind of an exercise to step out of your comfort zone and when i forgot to mention like with each show that we've had we find local organizations to donate to so then there's also the incentive of like doing it for something we believe in and raising funds that way Trying to help out each other by promoting each other's work in getting ourselves out there even though most of us in most artists in general i think are pretty introverted. You power in numbers are. Here's so here's a therapist question. Keep them coming. I feel like i've that's all. I've been rolling with my bad today. No but i mean you know part. It's part of what i do for a living sure. So here's what. I'm hearing wondering if this is like we. I think i can agree with a lot of the social anxiety and stuff like that. Do you feel like a camera helps you. Sort of bridge that like. Do you enjoy going to a show without your camera shakes. Everybody is like a barricade to keep people like one. Step away from me. That's a really good question. I'm curious to hear this hearts. I also have. I mean since i spent so much time working not necessarily shooting I have a hard time going to show that. I'm not working. You know it's i'd i like. I like having a thing to do something to do with my hands. When i started going to shows it was by myself in. I felt like when i was with like doing photos making goes on camera with me. It didn't matter if i didn't know anybody else it. Didn't you know no one was looking at me being like. She has no friends. But when i had my amerada like at least i'm taking pictures with authorities. The words right out of my mouth. Yep exactly. I still feel that way like you know a lot of the time you know. I'll text all text erica. We'll talk to each other. Hey are you going to the show. Okay we both on assignment. Cool like cnn or sometimes. We don't even know that the other shooting so we get in the photo pin. It's like oh my god thank god. You know exactly what i'm feeling. This is just rate right and then you hang out together. so yeah. that's that's the one of the really really nice parts about it to all right. I have another a pro question that it always bothered me and you guys will now. It's like a pro like what's up with bands at only allow you shoot the first three songs. What does that mean like. Why is that a thing. I thought it was an opposite. I think i thought i thought it was. Is that what it is. Who makes that rule the bands of band. The band sets it. The three songs is like is the standard like less a band says otherwise. That's what the venues gonna enforce. Generally but definitely there are banned. Do like i've seen band to do like songs. Two three and four four five six or like you the whole set. What's the reasoning. Do you think like what's the reasoning. I've been told it so that the experience is it ruined for fans that they don't wanna have photographers you know whether that's true or not whether the band doesn't wanna have cameras in their face their whole set But usually you know you're supposed to respect. I three but i like smaller venues. Obviously they don't have that rule now. I mean generally not going to be enforced. If there's not a barricade. But yeah i i shot demi levato a couple of years ago and her role at the time which was strictly enforced by whoever like worked for her. At the time it was you can only shoot the first thirty seconds of the first three songs in. You can't shoot her from the front. You can only shoot her from the sides. And then when i was supposed when i was supposed to shoot averill levin you could only shoot her from the soundboard. But i shot the backstreet. Boys like you could be all up in there like some some. It definitely varies. But it's yeah there are some really interesting ones. It's fascinating to like. I mean especially they have those parameters beyond the three songs kind of be like only from the side only from like the soundboard fifty feet away seventy five feet away when you have to have like et crazy lens. Somebody who The when i was able to shoot green day was when they were playing in san diego when i found out in the middle of a work day in obviously the drive from. La to san diego is like three hours maybe but for their show was a song a half and their songs are so short lived. The stress was high. But i say your ignition so many photos in such a short amount of time in my life tonight. Still haven't so that those scenarios are so. They're so stressful but the rich. They're like a challenge and sometimes like alex. Some of the photos ever taken could come from like a challenge like that fun to set parameters sends him a couple of tours. The last structured cycle photographers would take photos of us. And then leave after a couple of songs. And i would say damn fucking hate us. You know what. I mean like reason rationale behind damn that cleared out tonight. You didn't think anything of the entire photo pit of people all leaving it once. You're get all hate group task. Let's get outta here. This guy is a little rough cut carly. You'd be surprised at what i use ammo against my band. I'll be like that was a set killer. Look it they left that it'd be like we're not doing that one again. What the book even talking about so i. Yeah i wanted to ask the other side of that. You know because you're talking about like this. The pro side where it's like. Yeah you can only do the first three songs from here from there. That said only the one and a half songs. What about the you know hardcore punk show where there's no rules and there's this is something that's come up as someone who's booked festivals and pretty large shows. There's thirty photographers trying to get on the side of the stage. It's it's really hard to manage from the motorcycle. Say that but at the same time who wants to be. The dickhead was no only like five photographers bath. What are your feelings there when it's photographer overload. It's definitely it's something we're like it's definitely crazy and it can be very overwhelming in those instances a lot of the time like either. I'll try to be on stage for two songs. 'cause i'm a very short small person so it's i have to like sometimes. Just sit like this. Like you've probably seen like. I'm sure there's i'm in like too many hate five. Six videos were on. Dislike like a little bridge troll but all try really hard to challenge myself. Okay like i'm going to go to like do some sort of a different perspective like other than the balcony even though that's not that much different or all just like kinda put on a longer lands in like shoot from the back. A little bed tried to like do something different So i try to challenge myself with situations like that. And then i also feel bad. Because i'm like i don't wanna i don't wanna be in anyone's way. I don't want to annoy anybody. I don't want to be the person who fucks up in. does something like. It's like one of my biggest fears is just like tripping over a cable or ruining the whole thing and so i i again i try to be invisible feel similarly It definitely i'm sure it sucks. Having to be the person who tells. I mean i've also had to be the person who tells photographers that they can't be on stage It's but like also there's a point at which it like it interferes with the show and interview joint like sorry. Can't have everyone on the stage and it sucks. But i have an issue because i'm tall and also i have bad knees where i can easily dislocate any again not walk for a few months so when i'm at the punk show where i know that i will get hit if i'm right in the front in right in the middle. I have to get there early. In lake sand on the sides or figure out an angle and make work and i have no problem doing that but i never feel like entitled to go on the stage unless i know the band or i know someone that has asked me to take photos for them. That's fine but i think in general. Most most of the photographers. I know that are to the frat up. Try to be pretty respectful in. How like no. There was a boundary there. i've seen get pretty crazy though. I personally like to photoshop cameras out of my shots but at a certain point that is not possible school. So it's a challenge. I definitely stopped at some point like several years ago. If i saw more than a certain number of people with cameras up front i was like all. Sit this one out. I don't i don't need to be another one. You know kind of piggybacking off with erica. Said like unless i know the ban and Like they asked me to be onstage to shoe War you know it's like i don't know it's like one of my best friends or something and you know i know that it's it's okay but even even if i'm on stage you know and it's like people i know i still in like. Hey is this okay like please tell me to like you can tell me to fuck off and i will be fine with it like please please tell me. Please tell me to fuck off. Like i don't want you know so. I always find that conversation like when the internet was having a fun. Time with photographers. Maybe whenever that was like last year. Was that your full. That was are you talking about. Like the sound and fury shot that regional justice center posted was my photo for the life of me remember. What actually started the conversation. But that's right. This is my have heart sounded theory two thousand eighteen. I think yeah. That's because i was on the balcony trying to avoid getting an anyone's way and i didn't want to i just i wanted to be as you were right there. I looked up. And i was like. Oh i retract. My statement about not knowing what life photo is iconic that one. That's a good one. Shoot that photo with the intention of anything. It was just like one of the many currently shots of the crowd in the band. Like i wanted to get the whole picture. And i would. Every new reference is it is it. The crowd shot or like an awesome band portrait like a singer guitar player drummer in their element. Like i think of portrait okay when it comes to photos of the band i prefer for candidates like or portrait's and when it's a show. My favorite part is the fans reaction to the music short. Oh anyone like stage Being or just in the crowd losing their mind over what's going on. But oh yeah. I've i've really have started to believe that photographs of particularly lead singers also guitarist but particularly singers. That mean where we say. Society has moved past societies. Move past the need for photo photograph years. We've been covered. You know what i mean like. It's all good up in bhutto's like i'll tell you what when you when you are twenty four you are looking at those being like i fucking rule. You know what i mean. By the time you got crows feet and and not looking so hot. You're like you know what. I don't need to see this anymore. I'm good joe says don't take any more pictures of me. News art honestly my biggest concern in sorry to reduce like your craft to like my very petty concerns. I think i've expressed this to carly taking photos of my best. I i've always got a bigger and if you are taking photos from the barrier between the barrier and the and the photo pit. You're getting my burger and it's like i'm just insecure the entire time and i'm not often insecure on stage. But i'm always the last time i saw you in person was in seattle january last year. And you you saw me down in the photo pit and then you started talking about that on stage. It's probably. I have a knows. I've got a big nose. You just have to turn around during. I don't know someone's tuning. Take your pinky jammed up there and just like wipe it on your arm. I think tom said. I think you're playing real venues towels you can bring out on a stage you real. You'll be fine not to be disgusting. You have no idea. How many sneakers have booger on the side of them from playing these shows or or the very cuff of my of my pants. My legs have been i liked. My feet have been spit on like. There is no photos of your burger does exist compelling society has moved past the need for booger shaming man. Everyone's got news. Let it go man. We're all good especially with with you. I'm gonna go back and look at many drug church photos and see if there's any burgers and you put them in if they're not like the nickelodeon photos of drug churches neon coming out his nose and you can't do that on television slime coming out of my nose. I don't know. Aaron carter once said and this quote stuck with me like from when i was a kid and i think about it all the time. He said everybody picks their nose. There's no shame in it. Just fucking do it. It's like everybody poops. Everybody picks their nose. It's not like i'll put mine for everybody at home. Barrel aaron carter truly one of the minds of our time. This is when he was you know on area. This isn't he was sida crush on him to get the face tattoos and beefing with his brother and all that sort of stuff. So i've got. I've got a question. Is there a best photo that you have not shared with the world for whatever reason like. Is there a photo that you have taken that. You have been impressed by either for your technical. You've nailed it that day or it's got a real thing going but you either wanted to keep it to yourself and or somebody was really picking their nose in the scene and you put whatever it is. Is there anything that isn't that you don't share yearly post anything anymore so yeah i don't i share almost nothing at this point. Zero deserve you carly don't share. I don't share if somebody does not want me to share something or i can't share something like i've been sitting on some cool photos. That artists doesn't want me to share. I will be respectful of that. So that's the only reason why i wouldn't or if someone or i look the photo and i think i be bombed if this was me and like some lake. If someone's making a weird face or something like i. Sometimes i try to think of. It would be bummed out over how they look like a mid mid set like yourself you were. That's the biggest heart thing i've ever heard. Anyone say i was gonna marry kind thing to do. Yeah i was gonna say. I don't think that's a popular viewpoint. Because every goddamn photo. I've seen it myself the last few years. It's been a harsh. Oh but i do like math in your head like extent always it always looks like i'm confused and you're trying to divide like a thousand by like hundred or so. Yeah you just like not kind of you. that's great. I wish more people thought that. So i mean you like. You're kind of doing the job wrong. If like you're posting photos at like the person is unhappy with you know. And i also kind of. I'm also like a very self conscious person with my own image. So i try to so i sort of assumed that everybody else feels the way i do or might not make me feel bad eric. I wanted to ask the same question except are there any photos that are great like awesome photos that you're like these are great but for whatever reason you can't use them yes and it comes down to permission again. I think like having your strongest photos on your website when you're looking for work is important so obviously if i think it's a great photo i do wanna put it online but if it's something that i agreed with like the band or with their manager not to post something if it's not approved or they only pick five photos out of however many. I can't do anything with those. So that's a bummer. But i'll at least habit for myself flake but there have been several years since israel. I'm like why. Did i agree to like these these restrictions even with signing releases and stuff. That's stresses me out like. Please don't sue. Have no idea what i'm to do money as something to take. That happened often upfront. That people would be like you can't uses for anything like even for your own kind of your portfolio and stuff like that. They just are that. I understand not using it for commercial purposes. But i'm sorry. I know it happened to me mostly for large bands or pop artists interesting. Same yeah right even you. Yeah the more. I guess more like image. The people who are the i guess have to image conscious or whatever. I think that's interesting that so that's a whole can of worms. That would take like a long time to pick apart but like the idea that you and your team recognized that you have. A bad angle is an interesting concept. You know what i mean like. How does that go like you all sit around and go delicately respectfully demi we talked and ultimately you're the decider here but we think three fifths you know refits left side. Maybe we steer away from that. I mean that makes sense though i mean. Do you remember a couple years back. There was like there was one bad photograph of beyond say ever and that became like the biggest thing because of the perfect human being seen with a little bit of like wasn't one hundred percent perfect. She should have my fucking life she should have my life. Never been a good photo a me beyond beyond say okay in myriad have you considered imposing restrictions on what you allow people to take during your set that currently you. You know full well. I'm not into give an antibody rules cameras on me. I was silly questions. It's whatever i i would never straight up. I would never ever ever tell. Even kids have been on the stage like obviously amateur total amateur photographers like the first pro. Sumer fucking dsl. Just like in my in my crotch. I i've just been physically move the kid a little bit because it's what not too much not too much. I've got some photos of you. Were you've straight up looked at looked in the camera. It's been like posed for me. Correct this this for over here. Trying to pretend trying to pretend doesn't make videos into the camera trying to pretend he eight selfie like come on get out of lisbon. Get one in twenty twenty one on the danielle tip if i didn't have to like here's the deal. This is the tragedy in my life. I'm not good at anything except for like expressing myself. I'm not even good talking. I'm just goes so i have to be. I have to be public facing for the rest of my life. But otherwise it'd be on the danielle tip and just sort of let me let me let me i'm gonna fade but so yeah. I got the other day. I was like this fucking instagram. Then i was like. I got records to sell you. Say you say you say show improved. Twenty twenty one. Let's get rid of it. I'm trying to say. I often feel that way but i'm like well. This is how i gues- all my jobs lately. So i i mean that's a. That's a good question because we've spent a lot of time talking about different internal thoughts anxieties. There is that push pull that pats describing that i think probably you you. You feel like you might not want to be public facing but what you do what you love what you do at least in some capacity you have to have that right and so it's at negotiation does that. I mean clearly that does that stress you out more than that. You would like to let on super stressful especially the internet is very loud right now. It's been very loud. The whole pandemic There's no way to really escape it because you know. Even when like danielle said she deleted twitter and other apps and stuff but instagram i feel is one of the most toxic ones and as photographer. Most most people will look at your instagram. Even before your website. Which haven't yeah. I haven't updated my website and like two years. And i need to do that. Cart- yeah yeah. It makes me glad that. I'm not like in a band that this ito and did really hustle on social media or something so bad for bands now though there are expected to be internet personalities and like wanna do instagram lives and like not. Everybody wants to do that. Same goes for photographers as well. But i think we've been kind of used to it for a while because like instagram. You know there's a lot of people who built their careers on there and whether or not. That's sustainable was so with that. I was going to say You know we. We hear from bands. I know i talked to some bands. And they're like what do we do. How do we. How do we be a band when we can't play shows and maybe we released a record already or were planning to and we don't even know if it's a good idea to do that right now. Whatever so they're trying to do all this stuff. We know that to the front did a few things. I'd like to hear about that. But then for each of you individually like what is there to even do. Obviously i think you've even reference it kind of diving into your bag of non music. Photographer live photography. But like how do you keep yourself out there available to do something that you really enjoy. All i was gonna say yeah. No erica you go. I'm talking to her as far as what to the front has been doing. It's like right before march. When things started shutting down we were landing going to pittsburgh for anti best because they invited us to have a pop up at the festival in. Obviously we had cancelled that like a week before it was like a week or two before it was going to happen so we just took some time not doing anything because you know mental health in people were losing work towards getting cancelled when we finally started planning things again. We have been talking about doing zine and finally. It was like june or july when we started organizing it with amanda votes. Who's another music photographer in canada And basically we. Did it able to raise nine thousand five hundred dollars for it. Lands matter movement. Was lena like something. That's really important to a lot of us and that's something we wanted to focus the gone so we just angled the scene in that direction to uplift lack wastes in a give back to our local communities so we were able to do something positive with that. I think it kinda gave us all a lot of a little sliver of hope that it's nice to have something to look forward to a you know with our shows we try to get back in. I think it was a positive thing that we did zine and then same with For the children recently candidate mitt in who's been designing our posters for us since our for show designed to toe to give back to a toy drives for a local los angeles drive so that i think personally been really nice for me like it's been really depressed being this whole time liked just being home and doing something positive is always a nice. Serotonin filling bartlett. It's fulfilling something. I mean with what we're doing till like i guess keep busy cat Erica courtney and i have been trying to plan safe social distance kind of shoots with each other urges something to do like Erica cat and i went to huntington gardens and just three of us walk around taking pictures like we got. Kobe tested in quarantine. That and that was like a nice it. I mean it's just like okay figuring things out things to do to keep ourselves busy and so that was one of them and you know we've been trying to get to pioneer town together. Also but just i mean none of us feel safe about it. You know right now. With how the numbers are. So we've we've just been trying to come up with Little things and we have we. We did a t shirt And you know cat. I shot each other in the t shirt. Oh buyer shirt. Whatever like cap made this amazing backdrop of like flowers from michael's and we did the whole thing my kitchen so it's just kind of coming up with okay. Well how can we keep ourselves busy and also we miss each other yet. Another thing i forgot to mention was We've been doing livestreams which is new to all of us in carly's been very helpful with helping us figure out how to stream on twitch But it's been it's been nice to just like we want to keep it going into more and more photographers more artists. But just having a conversation with other artists watching like a designers talk to each other from different states about their work. It's nice to just like take your mind off of things to focus on their artwork with the passionate about though that's been another positive. It's called to the front talk and we're trying to keep it going. We're not on any schedule at all. Twenty of just check check the dreaded social media and you and people will find out about it that way. that's another. yeah that's another reason why it's like oh we can not be on the internet entirely because we're used things on it here and there so it's such a big topic that i my experience with. Instagram is altogether positive. Because there's like weird trolls and fake accounts. That'll just like drop in every once in a while because people are strange. But in general i don't have the kind of like i don't observe the type of like insane toxicity that a lot of women experience on there but also like maybe people that are maybe people who have to constantly put workout to to remind the world that they're doing something you know it kind of like it's a sad phenomenon that the more you put out the more you make yourself available for weirdo. You know what i mean. And it's i hadn't really considered that with trying to promote photography career. But i i would imagine that you have people whose opinions nobody asks for it. They just appear you know but unless you wanna talk about all that we can we can keep it positive and talk about some of your individual projects in anything that you you might wanna tell the world about a is there. Is there anything that you've talked a little bit about. What what you've been keeping busy with. Is there anything that because a lot of time. If we have musicians on people will know not just where to find them but know what to look for okay they got an album coming out etc etc. Like oh i that thing that they're talking about but is there any projects of your own that you'd like to make people aware of i have a dog copy table book kickstarter that i'm looking at this. I love this is the reason we're doing this. Actually everybody you got. This book. looks awesome so please talk about this. Yeah thank you. It's been a struggle. I don't have a large following on the internet. And i kind of expected it to be a climb to get tila goal. That's to make a hard cover. Book is expensive in the morning. make the less. It's cheaper to make like the more you know. So i basically was like i'm gonna try to make this amount of books and i'm going to put this idea of it on kickstarter which has to be crowd. Funded only make it if you hit your goal if you don't hit your goal charged so like right now more than halfway there but i have eight days left or something like that In basically the concept is a coffee table photo book of dogs that have found home strang quarantine so some of them will be just portraits of the dogs like up close and whether from the name others like with their family. It's all like in a backyard or park. Because i've been trying to scatter shoes. I can To be safe. Because i don't go anywhere other than to meet up with these people and take pictures of their dogs so i have a few few friends locally. Like a lot of people ended up having they adopted. So it's like the project idea itself makes me happy and i was like it's worth a shot to try to get funded. And if it is funded. They'll make the book and if it's not then maybe i'll make zine eventually it'll be more affordable but you know. I think we'll probably pump this one on our socials over the next few days. That's a that's a very worthy project that's right in my. That's right in my wheelhouse. I liked that a lot. A website like that. We could direct folks to yes it is kickstarter. Actually i made link tree now. I didn't a tiny all dot com. Last erica's dog. But remember for anybody. Listening this is recorded the week before this comes out so you will have basically you will have basically twenty four hours to get on to get on that link and by the time that you hear this on tuesday. Who's who's joining us with you. Erica my dog with me is on the cover of the book and got him in april. But i haven't been worried that you can hear him snoring. Because he's snoring now been good. He's so handsome about all of that. Fact put that up. We can put that up before the episode comes up just sort of get more time on percent. That's such a such a cool idea idea and you just don't know that i've already posted about it from scratch social love but but we will do it more so yeah absolutely and is there any thought about doing. This is something that was relatively new to me. A buddy of mine is like a pretty like well known. Photographer new york justin baraki. He's like a pretty known guy where he did like his own. Like self published book as there ever been any thoughts about doing like a book of your own like that. It's sort of like our as as it's ordered so there's no sort of risk of kind of like i need to sell ex amount before i you know before break even or anything. It's kind of like someone orders it and then this company puts it together and send it to the to the problem even just while i was planning Like budgeting your kickstarter. You can't lower your goal once you said it short but is finding a company that like will print just one book for not like three hundred dollars. I didn't realize how difficult it was. I did. I found like another company. After i had already launched may take certain slightly cheaper but it. It was kind of known for like messing the book up somehow. Oh gosh. it's funny. Because when i was in college One of my final photo journalism projects wide to one was we had to completely. Diy a book by hand so we had to get it printed and then we had to find it and so it with like dental floss. And i still have it and it's all live photos i took. I called it. How you remember. I don't even remember like what banned that song is from. It's from like a a bit like some band but Like that was crazy. That was such a cool process. And i was like you make. Dog worked in your. Actually you know what i'd come. We'll talk about this. That kind of wants you because also another. I had like an independent study in college as well and this was a the one year anniversary of hurricane. Sandy new jersey. So i went down across just like a bunch of different towns like just throughout the year and i shot on film An-and i was. I have to find this company. But i was able to literally just print one book for like fifty dollars and it was but this was in this was in two thousand fourteen so it was. It was different. It was a different time daniel back to the beginning that also that i'm danielle. You sent that to me. I still have it the pdf of it. Although because this where i live it's pretty wild. I i actually think that. I mean that's something that ages in a weird way like people will want to see those photos like my son who is was born a year after that they learn about it because he goes to school in one of the towns it was really affected. You in bay head so it's right up for mantle. Okay and so they learn about it in school and they talk about and it's like oh. Yeah here's the damage that was done to the school all this stuff so i actually pulled it out like on my laptop and was showing him all the pictures he's like. Oh wow so So i mean we're kind of wrapping up here. Please please check out our carr's book before we go. I wanted to ask if you have any advice or words for people who are interested in photography interested in doing their own art interested in doing events What would you tell someone who is curious about that. We actually get those questions all the time from people young and old who are looking to do stuff and y'all do a lot of stuff. So what would you say to somebody looking to do things. If i could give anyone advice it would be to just pick up a camera. Take pictures for yourself. Find your style Just you know. One of my favorite teachers had said that without light. Catastrophe is nothing so like making light. President in your photos is one of my favorite parts of it Not to get discouraged from people that are trying to get keep photography year. We've been doing something onto the front. That just started this month called the front photo challenge. And it's just anyone can do it. Just lake giving photographers a theme to participate in you. Take the photo will highlight everybody on her socials and give everyone option to be on a show. Your work on our stream at the end of the month Just to you know it's for everybody like. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to do it. If you're passionate about it make art do it. Just go for it at their like are no fucking rules and like. Don't be afraid to ask questions like some people are not gonna share information with you and generally those people suck but just fucking it also like i mean. Don't get too discouraged. It's really easy to hate the work you do but someone out there is going to see something of yours and feel inspired by it so take a chance and just do it. It's fun you know. Just don't think too much and just make it happen sound advice. Thank you very much for joining us today. This was as smooth as a six person. Zoom could ever go so so appreciate you very great thanks again. Yes thanks everybody. We'll do this again soon. We'll be promoting the next in person to the front. We'll have a new york. Maybe we'll do a co hosting thing and like next november november twenty twenty. One life might look normal hoping for the resident normal to you right now. I mean party. I'm just in my house doing the same thing i'm always doing but anyway thank you again. Yeah that was great. Thank you danielle eric. Harley enki guy.

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Why Do Airports Advertise? #623

Inside the Spa Business | Spa

02:44 min | 1 year ago

Why Do Airports Advertise? #623

"Here's a bit of a random question for you. WHY DO I? Poets advertise. Greetings from Tokyo just flew in for a couple of meetings tomorrow. A lot of stuff having Japan right now got the rugby World Cup coming up here here in a couple of months. Then you've got the Olympics coming up next year so there's lots of activity in hotel land and that generally means that they're thinking about what to do this Boswell but that's kind of beside the point. I was watching the Australian rules football on television today. Actually it wasn't tally. Let's be honest. It was on the APP and I connected the laptop to the TV. But but basically you get the idea. I was watching football game at the stadium on the TV and as I'm watching it. I'm seeing advertisements running around the stadium for the Perth Airport. This was was a game that was happening in Perth Australia and I couldn't help but think what the hell is the point of that particular. Ed what person is making a decision to go to the airport or not based on that Ad. I guess nobody now okay in some cities you've got multiple airport so you know you've got choice when it comes to airports but that choice is going to be driven even really by the airline more than anything else that's flying to and from the destinations you WanNa get too so it kind of made me wonder why they've got that ad running me now. Maybe there is sponsor of the study more of the event and as part of their package. They get advertising but if that's the case then zero value really in that advertisement to them so as part of that package they get an ad the bitter selling that Ed to someone else letting someone else use that Ad. Because I can't see anybody making a decision to go to the Perth Airport but based on this expensive advertising at a prime time game at the stadium so I guess I'd like to know from you is have. Have you seen airport advertising. Where have you seen import advertising before and does that advertising have any impact on your decision to use the airport? Because I can't I think it's unlucky going there for for fine dining experience for entertainment. So what's the value of advertising airports. Now this is a guy that flies all what's armlock today and I'm thinking no ad influenced me to go to Calais it K. L. I. Airport in Malaysia. No add insult zones me to fly in to Narita Airport in Japan. So what do you reckon. Have you seen airport advertising. If so where and if so has it actually made any impact on your decision to choose airport or not just a random question like I said curious already. Thank you for tuning. We'll be back tomorrow so yeah.

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Thu. 12/12 - Maybe Just Throw A Dart, Seed Investors

Techmeme Ride Home

21:54 min | 1 year ago

Thu. 12/12 - Maybe Just Throw A Dart, Seed Investors

"Welcome to the Tech Mamer at home for Thursday December. Twelve twenty nine thousand nine. Brian McCullough today Google releases all the things all at once. Everyone is mulling over. Jack's decentralized twitter idea one last tech IPO of the year should seek investors. Just say yes to every deal why you should know the canvas story and why cousin Greg. Playing Adam Newman is my Christmas dream. Come true here's what you missed today in the world of of Tech. I'm GonNa just put this right here because this just broke and it's too late in the day for me to wait for more details. But facebook shares are dropping sharply blay at this moment as the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the FTC is considering a preliminary injunction against facebook over antitrust concerns about how various various products interact quote. If it materializes the action by the Federal Trade Commission would focus on facebook's policies concerning how it integrates its APPS or allows them to work with potential rivals. These people said alongside. It's social network. FACEBOOK's key products also include Instagram Messenger. And what's up the potential central. FTC action would likely seek to block facebook from enforcing those policies on grounds that they are anti-competitive. The people said an injunction could seek tobar facebook from further integrating APPs that federal regulators might look to unwind as part of a potential future break-up of the company one of the people said hey majority of the FIVE-MEMBER FTC would be needed to seek an injunction which the commission would need to file suit in federal court to obtain the FTC. He declined to comment facebook. Declined to comment and quote again. An injunction would apparently aimed head off. FACEBOOK's mad dash to make carries products interoperable more integrated something that would make breaking up. The company at a later date harder to do Google has dropped an absolute truckload of news today I they have rolled out verified. SMS which tables messages from legitimate businesses as legitimate on android phones. This is only in nine countries right now and they've also expanded spam detection in messages to the US but for that verified SMS. Quoting the verge. Google is also rolling going out verified. SMS messages. You sent a certain businesses when you're messaging with a verified business. You'll see the business name. Its logo verification badge in your message thread messages. Messages will be verified on a per message basis one eight hundred flowers Banco bradesco Kayak payback and so-fi are among the first brands that will send messages with verified S. according to Google and quote and Google also says it is changing mobile search results for news topics adding more carousels of stories starting in the US rolling out later. Internationally and Google has brought. It's real time translation in MoD called interpreter to the Google Assistant APP on Ios android globally with support. Four forty four different languages quoting techcrunch. The feature works in tandem with Assistant. Say something like. Hey Google be my German translator or Hey Google helped me speak Thai and the feature kicks in offering up real time. Translated transcript and audio the feature also offers some smart replies Allah g mail to help keep the conversation going the feature is is now available in forty four languages up from the twenty nine available on the smart display slash speakers that this feature previously was limited to. It's it's integrated directly into the Google Assistant APP. Negating the need to download an additional translation APP and quote Bill Dot Com a startup which automates payments for small and medium businesses is bravely testing the waters for unprofitable able Unicorn startups also bringing back keeping dot com in your name. Allow the nineties last night. BILL DOT COM price. That's Zyppah at an above average range of twenty dollars per share to raise two hundred sixteen million dollars that evaluation of around one point six billion dollars quoting Forbes since since the stock began trading on the New York Stock Exchange under the Ticker Bill. It has been surging recently up sixty percent to thirty five dollars an eight cents a share. That comes even. THOUGH BILL DOT COM disclosed. It had a net loss for its fiscal year. Ending June thirtieth of seven point three million dollars whiter than the seven point. Two million dollar loss it had for the year earlier fiscal year revenue did increase two hundred eight point four million dollars from sixty four point nine million dollars in the same timeframe mm frame end quote. The A index report comes out every year. It's come out again this this year and given how much we talk about. Ai these days. I think it was worth taking a look at the report. Ai Research has been skyrocketing there it has been a three hundred percent increase in peer reviewed. Ai Papers this year a degrees are popular. Also a is now the most popular specialization for computer science graduates North America for all the talk of China leaping ahead in ai research the US still leads the way in private ai. I investment twelve billion dollars of investment to China's six point eight billion dollars this year though I should note that's private investment not counting the investment that the Chinese government is making but also the most popular I dunno I guess theoretical application for right now is still self driving cars which received more private investment than any other category quoting from the verge just under ten percent of global private investment went into autonomous vehicles around seven point point seven billion dollars that was followed by medical research and facial recognition both attracting four point seven billion dollars while the fastest growing industrial. Ai Fields were less flashy robot process automation one billion dollars invested and supply chain management over five hundred million dollars and quote. You and Angel List has released a report that claims that seed stage investors can increase their performance sent overall yields by simply investing in every single. Credible deal that comes their way. Instead of you know passing on most things and been discerning and only investing in the things that you really think are going to be a winner quote. How can you avoid missing the best seed deal? The simplest way is to put money into every credible deal. We'll maybe you have a crystal ball that gives you perfect foresight in which case you can pick only the best winters even then if your crystal ball is even a little cloudy eventually you will miss a winning deal and that winning deal might have been the best performing investment simulations on a ten year investing window for seed stage deals suggests fewer than ten percent of investors. There's will beat the index. Even if those investors have skill and picking deals like vanguard has taught us in the public markets individual investors could benefit from viewing the index as the default and then overlaying individual deals that they like and quote so maybe just like the stock market. Maybe you just can't can't beat Mr Market. But of course this is almost a designed in a lab post to really kick up the I. R. A. V. We see twitter which is one of the most easily upset corners of the twitter sphere. I've already seen some pushback that suggests that the data set angel issues did not include money losing thing investments which as was pointed out would kind of be like calculating. SNP returns only including stocks. That went up but then others have said they actually explain all all that in the paper. 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Give well dot org slash ride home again. That's give dot org slash ride home. So everyone is chewing over Jack's plan to decentralize twitter and I do mean seemingly everybody so I should probably do it. whiparound be best explainers for what this all might mean came from first Sharam Krishnan who might might know a thing or two as he ran consumer products and audience growth at twitter in a previous life also did monetization work for snap and facebook. In a brief blog post called blue sky early thoughts serum said this quote the easiest mental model. Is this imagine if g mail was the only email client in ever developed and SMTP. And I'm up had never existed g mail could have defined all things email what is spam and isn't or how various clients can and work if they can work at all but that is not where we find ourselves since. SMTP does exist. These are open documented standards which have evolved over years as of open development. They allow any client to talk to g mail. Servers and both interrupt and more importantly innovate without permission superhuman can build in innovative experience on top of email without ever having to ask for permission from Google. Now compare this with the current state of any social media product. You get a full stack. Some of the most complex complex intricate systems ever built in tech which combines everything from relevance Algorithms Content Policies Verification Policies Identity incentive structures among. Many other. The things when you open up any modern social APP via twitter or tick tock or instagram. You get this entire stack as designed and built by that particular company Blue-sky Blue-sky imagine a world where things a bit differently. I this is developed out in the open. Instead of Paik. Closed System implementations you you get community built effort an incentive systems to match you reap the benefits of twenty years of the tech community understanding how open source communities work. Second more importantly you get it. To See various implementations of the core pieces of the platform and quote he then goes on to list three theoretical examples of things that this might enable like alternative unitive ranking models alternate verification policies and alternate content moderation policies in other words new types of competition and differentiation could flower in the social space and second. I'd like this. Take from twitter. User at Prism of reality for just like a basic. You know elevator pitch each of what this is all about quote. blue-sky will allow twitter to kick you out of their club without feeling that they banished from social media. You will not be welcome in their our club but you can go to any other club that you like. It is a similar concept to dave rubens locals but built at a lower tech layer it will also allow for experimentation regarding other forms of communities that manage their people differently the key difference with locals. Is that everything you tweeted could move with you because the post could live in multiple independent clients like your emails and quote but then everyone is pointing out actual standards and protocols like these take frigging in years to hammer out and can get seriously bogged down and lots of people keep pointing out that there are existing projects out there like you know the W3C w three c already has an open. Decentralized Social Network recommendation called activity pub and of course there's also a massive on which is the most visible implementation of love the activity pub project mastodons. CEO points out that quote. It sounds like twitter is making a mastodon clone but also this won't solve twitter's hate speech problems albums mastodons. CEO Yuejin Rajko told digital trends. My reaction is really mixed. I'm not happy that the announcement omitted the monumental work work. That's been done in this space by mastodon developers and quote Rajko also said twitter's problems won't be fixed decentralizing quote. They could just clean up their own house else. They could fix problems in their own space. He said it does feel like an attempt to give up responsibility and distribute it to others instead and quote. Indeed one big question is could blue-sky simply embrace and extend existing projects like mastodon strike off on. Its own the amount of name checking being that Jack did in his tweet storm. Yesterday of blockchain technology suggests that he wants to go in a different direction and then of course there's all this narking that twitter later was once kind of an open standard for Real Time Communications on the web but then they went and broke the backs of all of those developers who had worked to build cool stuff off on top of twitter. So should we take seriously now or not one of the many. GRODY anything's among. All the grody stories about ring and it's cameras lately is that seemingly every other day their stories about the dern things getting hacked in fact act motherboard has discovered that a lot of those recent hacks that have made the news are the result of a podcast that seems to like to hack ranked camera. The owners live on air as people listen in. Here's the lead from the motherboard. Story a blaring siren suddenly rips through the ring camera startling. The Florida family inside inside their own home. It's your chance on mold. A voice says from the ring camera. which a hacker has taken over? How you doing how you doing? Welcome to the NOLDE CAST Post. The voice says the not cast is a podcast live streamed on discord. It's a show in which hackers takeover people's ring and nest smart home cameras and use their speakers acres to talk to and harass their unsuspecting owners in the example above chance blared noises and shouted racist comments at the Florida family quote. Sit back relax to over forty five minutes of entertainment in advertisement for the PODCAST. Posted to a hacking forum. Called nolde reads join us as we go on completely lately. Random tangents such as ring a nest. Trolling telling shelter owners. We killed a kitten null drama and more ridiculous topics. Be sure to join. Join our discord to watch. The shows live and quote. Apparently null cast members have been going through trying to delete all episodes evidence of the show today but this brings up a point about the ring camera. The ness camera any frigging smart device that you bring into your home home. Apparently all of those things have become the favourite thing for people to hack. Because you can just churn through the huge corpus of compromise emails and passwords. That's words until you find one attached to a device in someone's home. Apparently people are like. Oh I bought this camera to serve as a baby monitor it or I'll just use my usual password that I use for everything because you know this is fun. I don't want to have to look up a password in the middle of the night if I wake up and I want to check on junior but no no. Do not do that a camera in your home. That should probably be. Maybe the most unique lockdown password that you can can get your hands on. Finally today. I was considering saving this for the long run tomorrow but this is a story that I think more people should know about out. Forbes has a profile about Canada a graphic design APP that CEO Melanie Perkins helped build from a yearbook design business snus based out of Perth Australia into a profitable three point. Two billion dollar serious rival to mighty adobe. This is a classic Entrepreneur Entrepreneur story in a way except for all the ways that Perkins and Canada are exceptional quote. Canada was based in Australia. Thousands of miles from Tex- Silicon Valley power corridor getting a meeting much less funding was proving tough perkins heard no from more than one hundred investors investors so when she met the organizer of a Group of Kite Surfing. Venture capitalists at a Pitch Competition in her native Perth Perkins got to training the next time the group met to hear started pitches and potentially right crucial early stage funding checks. She'd have a seat at the table. Even if it meant having to brave treacherous waters quote wrote it was like risk serious damage reward star company Perkins says if you get your foot in the door just a tiny bit you have to kind of wedge all the way in and quote such perseverance has long been an assess ity at canvas which began as a modest yearbook design business in the state capital. Oh of Perth. On Australia's west coast from those remote origins canvas has grown into a global juggernaut twenty million plus users from one hundred ninety countries countries use the company's premium web based APP to design everything from splashy pinterest graphics to Elegant Restaurant Menus besides an impossible to beat price millions millions of users. Pay Nothing at all. Canvas advantage over rival products from tech giants like adobe has been its ease of use before Canada amateurs had to stitch together designs in Microsoft Word or pay through the nose for confusing professional tools today. Anyone anywhere can download canvas and be creating within ten minutes. The company's revenue comes from up selling to a ten dollar a month premium version with snazzier features or more recently from sales of a streamlined corporate account option high-quality stock photos of which Canada has millions costs. Another dollar. It adds up this year. The company expects to more than double its revenue to two hundred million dollars. Its most recent eighty-five million dollar funding around valued at three point two billion dollars perkins and alum of the two thousand Sixteen Forbes thirty under thirty Asia list has an estimated aided fifteen percent stake valued at four hundred thirty million dollars throw in her thirty four year old co founder and now fiancee cliff overex- similar steak and the Aussie power couple are likely worth more than eight hundred million dollars and quote. So if you don't know about Canada get educated. It's actually also a super super good super useful product to I mean come on how can I not point out that there are going to be two. Different Adam Newman. We work projects in Hollywood. There's going to be a feature film. Apparently fast tracked by blood house productions written by the Guy who won on the Oscar for writing the big short but also and this is just. I mean this is everything to me. There will also be a limited run series produced by Churn and entertainment and Endeavour content that will star and this is the best Nicholas Braun Cousin Greg from. HBO's succession. I mean if you compare pictures of the two side by side you can see how this will work. If Brian at least grows his hair out they look alike. But let's be honest it. I'd watch cousin Greg do anything. Adam Newman I mean this is my rise of the Skywalker News. Talk to you tomorrow.

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062 - Alan Davis & Andy Bellavia - Building a Successful Hearable at Nuheara

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062 - Alan Davis & Andy Bellavia - Building a Successful Hearable at Nuheara

"Hi i'm your host. Dave camp and this is future ear radio each episode. We're breaking out one new thing one cool new findings that's happening in the world of the world voice technology power. These worlds starting to intersect power. These worlds starting to collide. What cool things are gonna come from this intersection of technology without further ado. Let's get on with the show. Okay so we are. Joined today by alan davis of new harra and andy bella via so. Why don't we go around real quick introduce ourselves. Tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do. Starting with you andy. Thanks again day for having me on the show. Another time responsible for marketing and business development for inner products for knowles actually everything that is not a regulated hearing aid. So i'm responsible for devices. Which of course over. We're going to talk about here as well as communications headsets music earphones for professional musicians audio files and the like and also connected hearing aid user. So i'm getting a a real good sense of what it's like to live the twenty four seven Mixed reality audio lifestyle and has got me thinking a lot about where all this is going from. ambien voice point of view. Allan yeah my name's. Alan davis someday head of product development. You hear semi. Here's here was company where we're different to. The here was company. We focus on hearing here so at products very much about hearing technology and we have a team situated in builders products not lead that team. Fantastic well thank you very much for joining us today. Andy great to have you back as always allen. Thanks for for joining the pod for the first time here. I think this is going to be a great conversation. new harrah's ben accompany. That's obviously been on my radar from the Ever since i started this blog was one of the Kind of the great successes of of what was happening in the space. And so i've had a chance to get to know. David kennington over there. I know he's sort of like the podcast face of your company Haven't heard you on a podcast before though and actually when i reached out to david he pointed me to you and he said you need to get alan on because allen's really the brain behind The products that we've been releasing him. And i just thought that This would make for a really great conversation so wanted to bring indiana's my You know resident at urals. Expert companion I think that the two of us will help to steer the conversation but really wanna hear from you about. I know that you've been with new era from the start. You've been there over five years now. I guess that's as long as you guys have been in business And you know it's just. I think such a cool success story that year small startup out of perth australia And you know when people think about here ables today. It's like you know. Obviously you think about airpods. He think of some of these gigantic trillion dollar companies in the offerings. that they have But you guys have actually been there from the start. You've been there before all of these other entrance and like you said you focus on hearing here. Ables you focus on this hearing health Type kind of intersection between consumer tech and the world of amplification in the medical device side. And and i think you've walked a really interesting tightrope between those two so as we kick things off. Excuse me share a little bit. About what the whole genesis of nero was like. I mean how did you even get connected with david injustice in And then also share with us about that initial vision. What was it that you all saw that you felt that you had a different kind of approach that may be was novel and unique to the market at the time. Thanks dave Yeah have pain boat. We've justin davidson since pretty much started the company i'm just A used to work in another business that developed hearing protection devices and i actually was involved with at that company and we worked to very smart hearing protection to help people cape day hearing and not lose a i'm sorry so sometime after that united Approached me and said hey. We're looking at doing something like this. Would you be interested. So i constantly. Yeah that sounds amazing. List that in our economy drinking in that way the really the really beginning of the company but At david justin a really interesting guys. Very dynamic and justin. Himself has some hearing loss. Sorry i the very passionate about helping people and really passionate about tron correct things that can help people in every dialogues and especially in the hearing. Spicer is a really really good Kind of history and background. I think what we realized early in the early days of the company was that there's a huge huge unaddressed group of people who could set benefit from hearing technologies but not getting any ending some wise. And this is gonna sound really strange. You know you. Traditional hearing is economy a bit discriminatory they really only only purchased and bought by people who have really high levels of hearing loss. at least. That's how was fought six years ago. And so i wouldn't buy into to really reached a threshold that it was a must have you. You kinda had had to do this. are fox. Not getting help early that they needed and we looked at of will is pretty obvious. Why i ll. They're expensive secondly actually difficult to purchase. Or if you want to go out and get a hearing today. I don't think any of you would be attitude that this actually a process you needed going through. And it's quite difficult to get hold of holidays. Divisive really loved convenience factor and really high cost to berry to was really the other thing about hearing ideas at least that time. The focused on just hearing so con- single mentioned devices and we wanted to read something for parks who had different levels of hearing loss. Wait till i'm certainly something we could do. They where we could build a product. That had a different complexions. Had things like a fun kohl's and music Sought had extra value points and osa provided hearing assistance to to those folks. And that's what we that's what we kinda sit out to from the beginning. I'm going to jump in here only because It's it's funny you talk about. You know everything involved in people too long for hearing aids and so on. It's actually when i tried. The early new here isn't also the early dopplers. I took them both into one of our favorite in insanely loud restaurants and gave them a try when i was with my family and it is. I got them tuned up at working like this is really nice. What i didn't quite acknowledged to myself at the time was that my hearing was sinking in a few years later i ended up getting to the point where i had to go get full hearing aids the point where i couldn't here my spouse talking and forbath turned to me and i would probably halfway down bernie. I tried those devices. And i always thought that if if i had been paid five years earlier i would have been the poster child for a new heritage for exactly that reason in the years one allowed restaurant with murder but in a quiet i was okay and so i think it's really spot on that kind of use. Case is a way of getting people acclimated to you know hearing augmentation without writing that seven year journey which is often quoted and mike as for sure. There's a real. There's a real you know. Those things are being researched in those numbers of really well understood but we really felt that hearing devices didn't of valley for people with low levels of hearing issues run that was just the value proposition for them. The process to high the convenience is to lie and yes Bike stein guard for you. You can't underestimate convenience factory the so made in australia. We have like hana tap to buy now so he can tap your bottom pie and people do that. Ron so that rather than just sitting cod. That's just seconds of different spot. There little convenience fact is gonna target or night that provide the really make a big difference in the ability to set these devices up yourself and buy them yourself and they actually have extra value points. Israeli important part of the new year value proposition. In the count yeah. You can't underestimate some of those things in the in the products. Yeah absolutely the other thing. You mentioned is the accessibility issue in. It's interesting because i just listen to a podcast with dr nick. Read of hopkins in he di sex in detail all of the all of the reasons why hearing aid users kind of piled up on the high income side of the spectrum you know. He talks about the price he talks about. You know all the steps involved in getting a hearing aid fitted and how that affects people who live far away from audiologist right income and racial disparities. He takes it all apart very nicely. And what it says is there's a segment of the population well-served by hearing aids in. I'm one of those. I'm past the stage at this point. And you know having a true hearing aid in an audiologist help. Keep them fitted properly very valuable to me but there is that whole segment of the population. Who either doesn't have access doesn't have the income or mild moderate category. That's really under served right now and i would highly recommend that podcast if you onto for any of the listeners. Who want to explore that avenue of hearing care. But i really kind of talk about these things. As a way of setting the table for new hero's journey and how here got to where they are today and how you seem to hear a servicing the mild to moderate category in future. Yeah and united with the products. We started doing very much. Very pace conflated product with some preset settings and we launched. I don't need to gare justice entitled saying it had to be yla. 'cause i was building. Wait a minute that doesn't really exist at the moment. How are we going to tell you that we found a way and you know the nfl. montek What we chose the end. That was the most bob option at that time but Yeah so we sit out on build efforts product than we launched indigo guy campaign and that was really successful things a lot more successful than we thought it was gonna be in really told us this year. We can reach that group of people we can. I have had a great solution for them in that. Throughout the the original occupants product was one of Really well received by people out there. Bet what we realized over time. It end andy. Assure you you will let things of your travels especially in the In the music industry and things like that you know the general. The general public doesn't have a good woody of vocabulary that understand. Db's that i understand frequencies things that want be obvious to Some in the industry around you know e tips on getting around egypt on pick people on good at so selecting. Net right so. It's not obvious how the us is related to body. It's not like a shirt. So as ross a might be a big person. They really tony eight. So that with some of the really early learnings on product in the tape in in the white Deliver the sand can have such huge impact on the actu- at Performance of the products that some of the learnings from the first very first occupied device. Yes oh question. I have is as you guys were setting out and he started to build and obviously this first iteration. You know you were Leaning on nfl technology. And like that protocol. And i'm just curious like what were. What was that development cycle like for you like what were the things that You realized okay. If i'm going to have to have a product that is serving this use case of you know for mild to moderate hearing loss But i'm going to have it in packaged in a wireless device that is going to be priced economically You know clearly you were given a whole of constraints and again. It's kinda hard to even think that like in five years time how much we've progressed in in a lot of the underlying technologies which make things so much more feasible. I mean five years ago. I think you were really really limited. And so i think that you kind of were on the cutting edge with how you were able to create something that based on all the parameters that you were given by justin and david Can you just speak to that first. Product that you all built with the iq buds. What were some of the most challenging aspects of it and then like kind of like. What were some of the breakthroughs that you all had in terms of product development and how that may be carried over into the future generations as well. yeah. I think the the incredibly difficult devices to design. And it's it's because the sorry multidisciplinary you have to be great at everything so you need to be great at days pay. The signal processing in the united regretted. Acoustics need to really understand to permit tricks in the area. The human lia innate understand microelectronics Southway to ronnie sorry embedded fenway. You need to be out of ron and app. that people can use. I you have to do all that well symbol. Tiniest in that makes them incredibly difficult products to design in tiny as well so they're extremely learned. How by pat. Who's you weren't you know About brought to that sardar stings. O con accommodating might get sar difficult and the hearing aid. Industries tackled that doing their chips rot. So that might the rhine essays. And they've got really good at that. Got big teams that do things that got the runoff paid the bill top rat rounders platforms. But the there's a real maybe converges real inflection point happening that's driven by You know the moment of offices around the world. That's meaning that is driving microelectronics people processing in these sort of things. They've been mantra thorns Wrought downing to the loss levels in pal usage and the becoming of generic Small company like as could access some of the top technology and actually building into the products and build something that could be united semi competitive with other devices in his show really short period of time. Sorry i think the you know what's happening in the wearable industry has just driven that in created the these kind of spice and the technology Kind of background. That allows you to really build these products. I always laugh when people say hardware is hard you know in makes people shy away from it right. We'll of course hardware is but if if some didn't tackle the hardware issues we'd all be pushing wheeled carts around right so my question is what did you do differently where others failed. What did you do differently than allowed new here to succeed where others failed. Yeah you hear his voice. Thanks don hearing and we've never pivoted from that we've stride from. We always need. That's what we're about and what we wanted to do. And si- whipped. We've just had a very strong focus on hearing. I think other folks you see something other here whose companies either just didn't execute or have pivoted from three different ideas a but new here is really always been very focused on on on delivering for hearing and we probably is just good timing for that as well. 'cause changes in the hearing spice in new technologies that are neither that in and also i think he's just anti splinter fabrics. That's helped us helped us. Swab thrive so. When you had the you know the iq bites Clearly you guys were successful with that. And then he moved on to the boost. And then today we have the max Can you walk us through. How you guys got to the max In through the boost in where we're at today. Because i do think that this form factor today is pretty unbelievable it's priced. I'm just amazed at the way if it's only two hundred and fifty dollars or something like that retail And there we haven't even talked about the app yet but again another aspect to your offering. That i think is just really really fascinating. So can you kind of walk us through like what that what that's been like as you guys have been iterating into these new Products in and what are some of the things that you've learned along the way As you've gotten all the way to the max. Y'all i think the thing really learning about the customer. Sorry at in the in the early stages at our first product the archie buds product was quite manual. So there's a lot of a lot of control for the user. You can change the balance. He could set us. Preset a Us and you could change equalizers and things like that. It was a real menu prices. We lead that the customer doesn't have it good vocabulary. That had a kana cheers. Setting folding is and how to get that brought so what we we let that early and we started developing on the next product boost pretty early on which was going to take a why that ghana confusion from the usa and mike a process where we could actually evaluate and named self adapt the product to the hearing. Sorry is was a lot about usability and a lot about bringing in extra khanna features and functionalities to drop the user experience. So we really hot on that. We've worked with them. A really great research organization in australia national labs in i l. We contacted them in. Australia's funny has a real rich. Hearing history actually had to us has wrought. This is a lot of great hearing companies. That have come abstractly like the cochlear implant was created here and now iron sydney by created the world's most prevalent feeding formula. Sorry for that flourished now Once you measure someone's hearing a unique to translate that into connah's settings for device end that feeding formula tells you how to do that and this feeding formulas in the world but we will obviously worked with the australian vented one at To do that so we built into that second. Generation of at a hearing recall hearing calibration but a wide measure. You're hearing and adapt the device to. You're hearing m we used the world's best fitting formula for that which is now l. to and we built that into our after now. He bites no-one. No-one in the world ever done that people thought about doing that. But i'm we very much the first two to tighten that late building what is really well. Renowned hearing technology in entities amazing actually uses a neural network to do all that or not so. It's real incredible technology pace. That was created Yet it was. It was very much driven that have aleutian has driven by the customer. In roy's fergus. On we weren't really hot. I'm getting a lotta customer feedback and we try and build that into a roadmap of build that into the products that we cry for people. Yes i was going to say. I remember when i When i was at a trade show you know win the boost. Just come out. And i remember i was in this. You know like little session. Room with david kennington. And he's showing me the boost for the first time in. He was walking me through the hearing calibration. And he's telling you about how you all had collaborated with the national acoustics lab which is really like you said there's two formulas that most hearing aids or fit on and You know this is the most prominent one In north america. So you know it's it was just shocking to me. Almost like wow. This is incredible that you have this device that is infused more or less with the with this formula in the calibration test You know it's. It's really legit and and after you're done it calibrates those earbuds for you and for me. That was kind of jarring moment where it it was like the realization that these new age devices that are very much sort of consumer tech oriented that have a focus on the medical side Were were really kind of materializing in the market in were legitimate and i thought that the industry in the hearing health industry needed to be aware that these types of offerings were now starting to kind of their way into The market in that. They were really positive. In my opinion. I mean i think that as you mentioned at the beginning of the conversation you know this Treating that end of the spectrum right if it's a spectrum of hearing loss that goes from mild to profound in severe I think that you're probably pretty right. That like it's pretty heavily slanted toward the right end of the spectrum. The the more severe side and to andy's point you've had years and years of people that are Just neglecting to do anything about it. Because they feel as if they're not warranty team the level of You know whether it's the different things that you have to do in order to get it from inaccessibility standpoint in the highest High price point that has commonly been associated with You know hearing solution. So i think that when i saw that that was sort of the big aha moment for me i remember very clearly and thinking to myself that this is a this is kind of the dawn of a new day and i. I still think it's a very very positive development. I think we need more companies that are really trying to tackle that end of the spectrum so that you get more people to be treating this earlier so that you don't have people like andy that neglected it and then they waited in it just was a gradual deterioration when maybe he could have preserved better levels of his hearing for longer. You know we never. We never built these devices to to be competitive to hearing aids paypal. Roj was all the time saying that of hearing stuff like this route but that wasn't the intention that the products were always to support the hearing industry rot and to bring folks into hearing voices at a much earlier level and really hearing on evident through that and no one was really trying to trying to was something for that. That's really what was said to and we had great. We've had great feedback on the in justin when he did his webinar way. Dna l. a couple of months ago. He said explicitly. He thought devices like this would increase hearing aid sales and i tend to agree with them. You know people are walking around with here devices into your ears for longer periods of time and and you know using increasing functionality you know including voice assistant us and you know more audio consumption install in my feeling is as people start to word. He's devices in your ears. More often dialing in some hearing. Augmentation is just a natural step in. Of course you start then on. You're hearing journey sooner now. Question they have for you is on present day. Your device included. You're more or less providing hearing aid light functionality by running a hearing tasks and then apply. dna l. l. too fitting algorithm under horizon. We see things coming more related to M l. speech extraction from noise like facebook. Labs talked about doing that. I think that they were running on a headset It's whisper who has two separate brain box doing injectables running an app to get that done. Do you see that as having a future in this era of mild to moderate a hearing loss. And how how do you kinda see. Different technologies for helping people understand speech in noise which ones will be successful in years going ahead. Yes fascinating question. circumspect Probably you know we might be saying. The last the last of the traditional signal prices engineers bang trying now we might be saying that model become machine learning based in the future. And but you know there's probably pow pow challenges it today so it's probably not quite ready for primetime The fuck under. I'm a voice voice. Thought that you know the human. Brian is a pretty pretty amazing network. how how could you hacking you do things better than better than the brine are hearing. I try to add you. Know address a mechanical issue or otherwise or navy. Or whatever with with brian so it helps to provide extra extra sound levels. When your isn't picking out sound like it used to be skeptical that you could design your network. That could do better than the brian. Unless you had extra microphones so if if you have those extra mark frenzy mafia Do things that the that the brian can't really do and that can really bring Things like understanding speech in noise and stuff like that but the the other path will take about michelle leading models Create information that wasn't there based on whatever they was trying to save saying it would saying these top demos where people are showing a black and white film in that colorado's is it. Sounds kinda trade information. That is looks. Fine to the brian. You look at it. It looks arcadian. And you expect it. And i think you might say i sorta things happening in audio as well. We can just extracting and cried information and you can hear it and understand it. based on those I think there's a big future nemo in in hearing losses It's it's going to be really exciting. John's in the future. Yeah that's absolutely fascinating to to think about. I agree with you so going back to the whole notion of the chipset's right. So you mentioned that you have hearing aids by and large are using these chips And then like your product. Use is dsp chips. And i know that you have a really strong background. This is what you got. Your doctoral in Was digital signal processing so this has been something that i've tried to better understand myself and i think the listeners would really benefit from. So can you kind of walk us through the some of the core differences between these of chips and then what maybe some of the limitations are traditionally with digital signal processing chips versus the a six but also what some of the opportunities that they also provide as they mature as technology themselves. I think there's a trade off in in the season at where silicon lands where you can try to highway full as software and flexibility so the digital signal processing chips highly configuration when holly programmable you can make them do so it's different things in really configure them in software whereas essex little bit more fixed so again three things like you feel to banks and some pricing in hardware instead of software And that limits you motors channing parameters than adults to actually rotting different algorithms and being creative with those things. So that's that's how i always understand. Think about the differences between the spice. But i've time those days pays programmable ones the general purpose one's really come down in a package. Requirements are member started adults programming Texas instruments safety data space which are really gonna popular these pay from from from a long time ago but the paradigm nowadays you know so much lower and again that's driven by you know the mobile phone industry people putting the dsp's into You know audio. Pick up the phone call processing and things like that that that's really happened over the last ten years that the those things come about and are accessible on so that companies can use waking khanna going to be the route that's gonna win in the long term Having having those kind of programmable devices just because the upfront development cost to the secrets are high. And then you're you've got you know you. You definitely get rid of some of the flexibility with iced of office. It's it's funny because we we have kind of a ground level view of the advancement in the dsp technology. I think back a few years ago we would talk to us. Companies and say you know all hearing jews are balanced balanceofnature solar power. That's you know it really increases the life of a hearing aid and people would tell us well. The dsp is consuming so much what is speakers doing matters not at all But in a modern. Dsp we're actually seeing it. We've had at least one company explicitly you know. Tell the difference between a unit using our balance armored unit using an ordinary speaker which really points to the fact that the dsp our is going down in down in down because speaker powers are relatively constant but the dsp powers going going down and down and so then you see other things you know taking effect now the question i have for you as you can see the day coming when the dsp's will run with all the processing power you need will last at least sixteen hours. How is that going to affect a hearing. Health industry in general where today a hearing aid relies on a very customization to give the battery life into discrete and comfortable size. But what happens when an ace is no longer required. How will that not only drive here. Bill industry but how will that drive a hearing aid industry in your opinion. I'm just gonna open up messing action and does reduce barriers to entry in in that industry to today if you want to go into the hearing. Id industry native united pick up. The hearing is chip set. Just just for the battery life because you need to It's really important people and the thing about it hearing ideas. It's an old way product. That people really understand that hearing is the designed to be worn. Old day was products like house designed towards the situation. Like you just wear them. Sometimes as our hearing have really taught Inside sixteen ounce nigga be running over time doing great stuff with the prices that sixty hours so i think it's a really level the playing field and maybe that's one of the big advantages hearing i'd companies have the obviously have they channel in their experience in feeding united meeting software and all sorts of things like that as well behind them. But i'm tim's of the device once once you hit that sixty you know you can hit that sixteen hours logged program. Who pays and i think. I don't think that die is far away Than is gonna really not the market for other people to bring devices out. That's the tell us that's really fascinating to think about. I mean to think of like you said if it's not that far away that's always been one of the big Sorta counterarguments is like well. These things they only can last for five hours or six hours and then you had all the different companion charging cases that came about and You know so you just pop it in there you get a quick charge and so it kind of circumvented that a little bit but now that we're graduating into these levels where the dsp's are I guess power savvy enough In you know able to preserve life so that it can last upwards of twelve to fifteen hours and that to me is where things are getting really really interesting. These conversations that indian. I've had a bunch of times on the podcast is like you know. This whole notion is kind of just shattering in in before is where you can get a low cost of ice. That performs really well that you know is suitable for upwards of a moderate hearing loss And it and it can last for fifteen hours a day. I mean those. Were all three of those things i think. Were sort of the like the preconceived notions that existed of like. This will never work because you have to solve these three big things along with it. Being comfortable It being medically appealing. And i just think that you all have done that. So why don't we talk a little bit about your current generation device the The max What did you learn from the boost to the backs. What you know. What are the big things that stand out in your mind with the max And where does this thing go from here without giving any detail until like your product roadmap. I mean clearly. You've now done three iterations of products in. I think each one's been a pretty big leap forward in in terms of what's changed from the previous generation And so i'm just curious to kind of hear from you. What has transpired between two and three and then you know what things are looking like in your mind right now with at least what would be the kind of goal with future generation devices. Yes we got really passionate tango. What really hot on these these devices. That would say in his really crazy. I really the just very dedicated people who are just genuinely interested in doing this sort of thing. Sorry the thing we realized early was that this was even during. When we were designing coupons realized that i he was gonna become a prevalent and standard and the reason why that was going to happen is because here boot devices. Have batteries and microphones and speakers already. So in the past Headsets united have speaker in mont. Have a microphone out. But i didn't have a battery that have any power on the three point. Five millimeter jack. Just compare anything and that meant if you wanted to do anything. We say you had to add battery. You had to add electronics and you had to add extra On the eib and that made the cost was going to go up so much but what we what we noticed daily was. That guy here was already handled that unita anyway so. Inc's going to become very much stranded in these products and it must have become a high impact So we we started working on that really early and at that time one had done a i-in say you bought known at even knowing that before us await we started. Wake on the acoustics for that. That was very difficult problem solve. We learned a lot about how to design those things And we had to make quite radical kinda acoustical design changes so we moved from a balanced amish to lodge dynamic driver. We had said the buds drawn produce really consistent transfer functions really ear. I'm we had to building a lotta inc circuitry as will as our that was one of the big upgrades that we worked on from boost. Max and inc's a room mentioned magic technology for us because not only does it provide a gripe featuring reducing noise and if never asked anyone do want more noisy known. They've answered yesterday. So that was something that was really important. Just getting reducing. Becker noise really leading to what the customer wanted al ain. Seals are especially feedback. I say he has really not property that it reduces the collision and al products are always bain talking and listening products so a lotta hairballs a listening Upset listening but al al products are talking and listening and inclusion really affects the user experience when when you do talk as our. We worked really hot on the anc technology and put that put that into the product. And i think i think the Really schanche from from having the anc duty nets. It's nas experience If we get great feedback on on that all the time on the other the other thing. The company worked on was a tv accessories. So we don't we. Don't talk about that a lot but a lot of people with hearing issues in the hon. At fun fun it difficult to watch tv and believe it or not. Tv is a social activity And you might not. You might not realize that most tv watching is done with more than one person is. It's done with others And it's very much sexual but if you have a hearing challenge You can really ruined the enjoyment of tv for tv's a huge pasta in american all over the world. I'm sorry we bill to tv accessory for products as well and we put a lot of energy into that. A of people may be to start marching to their stories. But we lot to work into that one in allegedly gonna connect and heavy ryan personal volume control to hear the tv Eating any consumer product and that was something trillion done before. I'm not in the way we did it. And it also takes. Appearing experience are bluetooth. Really hot her connected switch between devices so we worked really hard on making that extremely. Extremely seamless That that would the things we worked on the next product. Generations in there really was designed to tackle Other tops a hearing and provide solutions for the different people with different tops hearing situations. And that's that's how we say some things in the future as well debt. I have to say in listen to everything you described. One thing really jumped out at me. Annette is how well new nuhere anticipated trends that we become popular if you look at the latest qualcomm state of play report and future sources latest report a both We talked about in a podcast just released with david. I you see in those last two reports hearing enhancement. Being a real popular ask going forward. State of play had forty percent of people wanting hearing enhancement and future source supported. Sixty percent of people wanting hearing enhancement. Which is something that you obviously anticipated by some years and the same thing's true of anc. Now they both call. Anc is being you know rising stars in the world right now. You know you had anc a couple of years ago to and there's another aspect about anc which i think fits really well with a new value proposition and that is when you listen in a noisy environment with anc. You'll actually turn the music level down. I i've got ready to studies and there are actually some years old but they're still valid that people will listen to music at about thirteen db above the noise level. So if you're on the metro for example and at you wanna drown out the sound of the train you will crank the volume up but if you have anc running you'll listen at much lower and safe allow. We'll save for levels. It kind of turns the whole listening earbuds Proposition on its head. Because how many parents tell their kids. You're gonna ruin ears listening with your earbuds all time. Well if you arm your child or you know someone else with noise. Cancelling earbud chances are. They're gonna listen safer levels in actually preserve their hearing more than damage it. So i really like from that point of view of the increasing popularity fancy which is obviously something you anticipated as well. You know you're right about that in some people market. Inc is being immersive Talk about immersive sound. but you're absolutely right. I missed that masking of the human auditory system. So people would turn things up ladder until i can hear it clearly. Which means if if you have an Hearing device you might sounds very loud too. He can hear how you want to sorry. You're absolutely rienzi. It's a huge huge faked just providing the ability to hear all the detailing. Your sounded a much much lower level it agency as well. I'm i'm just amazed. It's never really become prevalent in hearing devices would be one of the first here in boston. And and you know hearing boutin and it just seems like such a fit because the first place people have challenged with hearing the noise right so this is where people i always. I start to notice. They have hearing. Challenges is win win. It's noisy ron so it becomes more difficult to hear than and why why people haven't connected that until now with inc. Doing anc technologies in with your hearing technologies is. I think it's a beautiful miss. But it's definitely something. Yes something that is. Really a the marriage-made-in-heaven those cancelling in hearing hearing enhancement met. Should they go together. Yeah no this is actually really interesting. Because one of the holy grails has always been speech in noise. Better speech in noise understanding that i think. Probably one of the most heavily cited Pain points that still exist. That's traditionally been a big pain point for all kinds of different. You know people that have been using some type of hearing solution and so. I'm curious like again. I don't want you to have to spill the beans on what the product roadmap looks like. But what exists today. That can be like i never really considered a anc until you just for saying that. Like that actually makes a lot of sense to me Are there other sort of tools at our disposal here. In twenty twenty one that now maybe exist in wide prevalence or or they've just matured as technology to become more feasible How ultimately you think we're going to solve speech in noise routers. Or what or what ways can we can. We treat speech noise that we hadn't been able to previously. That have only recently become enabled. I'm harping Gonna become moore acceptance of wearing devices wearing devices that rim visible lockout out tops of products at in in noisy environments and in social situations with people around you in you say that a law on your commute so we have a really big public transport system here in a lot of people win in our devices on the ease when they commuting but amid we really want that to become acceptable when you're conversing in community communicating as well So that is something that we can. We can use those technologies in them to really boost people's hearing capabilities. You mentioned the commute yet. Made me think of made me think of something and related to blue to five point two. Which essentially is gonna give via bluetooth tele coil capability in hearing devices. Like new harris. What do you see are the popular use cases for to broadcast capability of bluetooth. Five point two especially in the hearing environment but generally. How do you see that playing out. You see people actually using practice in. This is a really fascinating question These things like telling coils have been around for a while but not really deployed into consume applications only as like a a hearing assistance. Khanna application I think you're gonna find that. It might get installed in a lot of places kind of a replacement for the coil saying like a machine. And they sort of things might have seen the madonna trying. You might have had these baluchi fucking that covers Audio that covers the whole whole carriage can chaining to chaining to the conductor or whatever the next station Sorry i think those talk of audio announcements might be something that kind of get projected to you into your device win. That doesn't happen today. Whether that's good or bad thing may be good. Maybe can be misused as well. I'm sorry how how well that actually gets adopted and deployed will be questioned. I ought expected to be at least team. You know seven to ten year calendar turn adoption profile for that. I may where we're expecting that blue. Classic is going to stay a the dominant technology for quite a while older. I'm elliot get adopted. But i'm just such install by simply to classic that will take a while before you have. La really taking. Yeah so so yeah. We're really excited about broadcast. He broadcast use case Availability are Like sharing use cases and things like that broadcast mont. Be the one you find that's most economize popular. Maybe the most impact he died. I lock hopefully well as we sort of wrap up here Let's just quickly go around alan. Why don't you share with us. Not only where we can learn more about new era and all that. But what should we be on the lookout here in. Twenty twenty one. It's only february. So i'm curious Again i don't want you to have to share anything that's on the roadmap or anything that you can't share quite yet. I know that you just had the The collaboration with hp. I saw some images of that really really cool. I'm blown away honestly that This particular device and I just think it's such a cool use case to of it being really tailored around using it with their hp laptops in You know sinking in with in a day and age where there's just so many zoom calls and all kinds of different interfacing with your computer just seems to make sense that you have a dedicated pair of earbuds for that and it's cool to see you know your technology with the hearing enhancement in there in in the way that it all looks so i'll be sure to link that in the show notes but Let's just quickly go around allen. What is twenty twenty one gonna look like from new harare and then where can we go to learn more about everything that's new. You know new hair related right now. Yeah think i think the best place is is a website. We've got a really great website that showcases of products but also showcases a lot of our customers. You can really learn from from customers. They are on the on the way saw what they say and wait abused at product. Some of the white people abused. The devices is just really blowing up blowing us of wyant and people who found them useful for all sorts of different things say some really amazing testimonials and that sort of thing on the website. So that's that's what to look out for. We've always had a strong history of innovation in the company and other. You can look to say that. Continue Outside with stronger than ever in that area. And i think we've we've always tried to upgrade at products with new software and use Rapids are i intro to the whole product offering that monthly. I think he looks a lot of great improvements for those who forty products Down the line side. They're gonna say some really nice updates in that sort of thing. The awesome and andy closing thoughts from you. Yeah it really struck me over the course of this conversation. How very similar are two companies are knowles. Is seventy years older new here. But our founder. Hugh knowles started a company on the basis of pudding better hearing correction and more people's ears soon. He always wanted hearing assistance and aaron correction to be broadly based with nobody left behind. And that's exactly what new here is trying to do. And so even for a long time gained an appreciation or her years before. I got aides myself. Working in the environment of knowles gave me an appreciation for what it means. They have hearing loss and what it means to have uncorrected hearing loss in the importance of continued innovation in that space and saw. We're really traveling in the same circles. And because to me anything that gets hearing enhancement in improves the lifestyle of more people regardless of background or economic status or hearing loss levels of very good thing. and so i really my Gets tipped to new for being successful in carrying that forward and making hearing available to warn people absolutely for me. I would just say that I think it's really fascinating that you guys have lasted as long as you have. And not only that but like you like you said you're a strong as you've ever been. I love a good success story. I love that you all were able to find. Solid product market fit And not only that. But also i think introduced new concepts to To this market to the hearing health market and say that there are different approaches. That can be taken. You know using different types of technology and just attacking it from a different standpoint. I think is is actually really refreshing So i'm cheering for you all. I think that it's interesting product that you been developing in that like each iteration just keeps getting cooler and cooler and i'm excited to see what comes next And and i think that the future is bright for this particular facet of the market where it is attacking the people that are like handy that You know andy from four years before he got his hearing aids when he recognized Okay i probably need something but he never really took the steps in order to to do anything in part of that might have just been that. There wasn't a whole lot that was available to him that was suitable for that time. And i think that the more options that we provide people in the easier that they are to access and they're more affordable I think that ultimately it's going to grow the market. I think it's you can look to other industries like you know prescription lenses and cheaters and Not to disparage your product or anything like that but it fits on kind of that same side of the market for this where it is something where it can be that entry point it can be that first thing that people buy That gets them in the door. That gets them thinking about this. And and that's been a big focus on this podcast Thinking through you know what are kind of the changes of Of today and what's the next few years going to look like as the space continues to evolve so i really really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you so much. Andy for joining us again to lend your wisdom and your insight. Us some great questions. Today and alan thank you so much Really learned a lot from you. I think this has been an awesome conversation and discussion. Thanks everybody who tuned in here to the end and we will chat with you. Next time cheers. Thanks for tuning in today. 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Mark Rober, Friend of Science - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 1/14/20

Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project

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Mark Rober, Friend of Science - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 1/14/20

"Woke him the stone titled the Adam Savage Project. I'm norm- I'm Adam and I'm mark. Runner seems crazy that you have not yet had been on the plot. This is perfect. I love it bit in the cave. Also the first time we met wasn't at Simone's Christmas party a couple years ago right before. Yeah I seen you when you the brain candy tour bike came backstage with Michael and we got to meet him. I've met a I king's ransom of youtubers through Michael Stevens really is the gateway was unsure. That was actually why when we went to Perth Australia. Not Perth Way Up north when we went to One part one of the cities in our Australian alien tour. I introduced him to John Plant Technologies. Oh is he don't surely. Ah Yeah I had no idea. Maybe we shouldn't say there'd be parts of the episode names locations which which by the way I take time out to say if I do say something and it's like I want to rephrase it absolutely. They've heard that part already. So they'll know there'll be the guts they can fill in the blanks. It will welcome to the cave. It seems like that's crazy. This is your first visit because clearly we swim in the same waters. That's right and and I will say I think you you said everyone says this but coming in and see in. Three dimensions is just next level. I've seen it on so many of your videos in two D. but three D. is that's where it's at. It's it's way more hortatory in going to phase right now coming into point which I'm getting rid of a lot of stuff so you're going to have to leave some of these motorcycle I will take but it looks like a beautiful type of horror. It's like an artistic cordery high functioning. And we're in a transitional transitional state. I got a new storage space. We're trying to. I'm trying to be Marie condo about growing out the stuff. I don't mean the problem is so much frikkie. Cool stuff right. I just came to an interesting maker's perspective however In which I keep everything everything I keep. I keep because it's got some some level of interest sparks joy sparks like. Oh that could be useful And I've started. I come to to the realization that can for that stuff I can get rid of because it's shapes that I thought were interesting and that I think oh maybe I'll use that in a thing but that's a prop based sort of idealization And it's a certain kind of building that I don't do anymore very much because costumes mostly cost right so when I have to build props almost always fully scratch built. Save all these old air soft guns and paintball crap and stuff like that so so just slowly sloughing it off and making this much more of a directed costume shop with the ability to make props from. You're also not builder that would like have a digital digital repository of shapes and then want to browse through that way and three print. One why you would want something immediate. If you're built summit no actually now oh I see the prop builds. I do are much more sort of focused and directed to replicate a specific thing rather than like this is cool shape. I could use that as something someday. That's the kind of stuff I'm getting rid of. Yeah so like I have to pianos just the mechanics the hammers all pianos worth of linkages. And it's it's like I don't need those anymore. I haven't used them in the twenty five years. I've been storing them. Might as well let them go to someone who will use. Yeah I tend to be sort of a minimalist so yeah. I love existing in spaces like this for short periods of time. But what is your like you save your hero pieces from your video. I I like I have like the world's largest serve good world's largest super so I do have those like in a storage and we're kind of building a shop and they will be in the shop but yeah it's sometimes. I will scrap a thing that we did one like a rock skipping. ROBOT MADE FROM A. What do you call those like launch? The shooter's each you thank you And some of them all just take down afterwards but for the most part the big ones. I'll save yeah okay. That's the the same you just have made so much more stuff than I am. Also very profligate collect also True Wall Street Journal. That story I I felt most. When you have a box of chords that you'll never use right and a everyone has a USB cord but this is this is a whole number? Yeah you know. It's funny I talked to crowds and I'll do appearances like hey people ask you questions about your process and about how you store and move things around the cabin and one of the ones that this is a joke. I've been working on which is to explain to a crowd that every one of us has a drawer in the kitchen that you haven't seen the bottom of the deck right now and there's a way like I really love that shared experience but also feel like there's a laugh in there somewhere and I've been trying to find find it when I talked to crowds about it but don't get the lack of recognition. So I think I my biggest problem as a writer when I'm trying to make a joke is that I don't set up my jokes enough. I suffer Chris. Rock's admonition that you gotta set your joke really solid. I gotta work on that one. Yeah I feel like there's something there I I think that is the truth like everyone has that experience is like your problem is you just have made and have dealt with and have seen so much cool stuff that your junk drawers is by definition much larger than everyone the but you're about to make your junk drawer even larger. Yeah can we talk about your your your newest escapade proverbial Israel junk drawer. Yeah you are your matriculating from it and I- tutoring television pure to To a person with a show on television. Yeah congratulations. Thank you thank you. Yeah so I mean so I'm doing a show with Jimmy. Kimmel called revenge of the NERD. That's the name of it. which is that was jerry idea? That's great right so the the premises were pranking people who violate social norms. So people might have seen like Mike litterbox video where sure yeah. Someone stole a pack by Porch. That made me sad. So it's like an engineer. I could do something about this. So we get revenge on them when they steal the packers they open a ah four cameras recording Glitter spray the whole thing. So I told Jimmy I was like dude because I'm GonNA show a few times like let's bring your friends. Let me like come up with something. And he's like man lawyers here suck. He's like everything would be such a pain. Let's just make our own show together so Yeah that was like a year ago and it's just take forever like things rolling but it'll be on discovery channel. Eight episodes launches probably this summer. Amazing gradulate thank you as you. We'll have to talk. Yes yes so the thing is you know someone doesn't pick up their dogs poop You know we'll build a catapult launch. The poop back at their house people who violate and Social Larry David style setting nor you this what. I'm really excited about like not returning turning your grocery cart to like the little chamber where I should say. We're going to reward people who do the right thing. So if you do return your car a drone comes down or something one hundred bucks. Yeah then we'll have a bunch of remote control. There's so much you're like so one flavors you you kind of move it behind their car her yeah and they see it so they get out move it and as soon as they get their car or you like coming towards their car like it looks like the wind and then they're like should I get out and then you stop it and they're like okay and they put it in reverse and then you just floor it you know. You're putting cameras all over the coast to the camera platforms the carts themselves camera pets and then they'll come out and and like what the heck to get it and then you just you have chased it around. But it'll just be just faster that human so then it'll loop back and keep hitting their car but there's other important part is like they'll be full boom on the front of the carts because we all this to be super harmless prank. That's like messes up. So not only. Is it harmless so everyone that allows you to cheer for it but these Sir punks who are doing the wrong thing so that will further allows the audience at home to be like I can get behind this well. You've answered one of the questions. One of the problems I have with prank shows is that they're frequently like cruel and I'm never interested in watching someone have a breakdown for for fake reason. Yeah I find that stressful. Yeah Yeah Yeah same same with me. That's not my mo even with the glitter bomb. You get a lot of people like oh you should put like painting that or like acid obviously. That's extreme but it's like that's just not what I want to do. And even these people that do take it like in general. I don't press charges like come to an understanding. It's like all right. Well the glitter in there. They have us pay off and other ways do you have. Have you had people willing to sign an appearance release. Yes so if you see their faces. Racism blurred so this one I actually sent some of the footage beforehand to Jimmy. He's like dude. You need to get the facial expressions on these are so great he's like you you can't blur those. So what. His producers called them up and worked his magic in Salamanca so years ago there was an article. I can't remember where what publication it was in but it was by someone whose job was to get appearance releases for cops show and they said specifically never hard. It was really not a hard part of the job because everyone looked at it as a silver lining in a d right like oh well. At least they'll get L. television. And maybe maybe something will happen from that list. Look our president has shown that there's little downside idea you are listening but they're pretty diligent on. TV I mean you guys you did it to me. I mean so the where we where we ended up with the difficulties cookies was like like you are ethos on. mythbusters was never to make a fool out of right which is why we never did an episode about dousing which is to hold a fork stick and look for for water which is totally bullshit. No one's dowling's never survived double blind tests. I don't care if your GRANDPA's a dowager. He's he's not full of shit he probably probably totally believe that people may pick up visual cues from the landscape about water. But it's not from the forks. Dick that being said right in order to episode about dousing. I'd have to have a control. I'd have to bring thank someone on the show them failing and make them a fool and that's not a narrative of mythbusters. I'm surprised that never came up and mythbusters in other ways so things like astrology just things we never. We never did things in which we'd have to prove a negative. Yeah so we never did astrology or bigfoot. We did pyramid in power. And I still regret it and I'm sorry about pyramid but yeah we look for things and at one point for one episode and it'll be very circumspect inspect about how I describe this for one episode. We brought in a quote expert who showed up and was so bad. Yeah we wanted to fire but we were already pot committed spent so much of our budget getting him there and setting up for him right. We ended up making him look even more amazing. That was the narrative of our show. Yeah I will not name him but you know while you're doing the show. You're still doing youtube stuff to say. Yeah Yeah I love and pushed back on the TV thing like a lot. Because it's like you know you have people you have a channel that does well on Youtube you have TV producers as you come out of the woodwork. Yeah honestly several one or two emails a week where it's like. Hey let's take what you do on Youtube only. Let's put it on TV. They make less money. I- fewer people will see it and I won't have creative control. Like where do I sign right. So it's like that's that's what's amazing about going out with Kimmel. That's really really terrific collaboration. I think they have a lot of a deep know-how storytelling but also dealing with that works. Yeah that's that's right and also like I was able to get executive producer but even with Jimmy like there's been a few things already that I'm like Jimmy. I think it should be this way. And he's like yeah of of course and he'll send an email and gave -arily it becomes that way right so having human mike orders someone like champion and it's like that makes it a little bit different so it'll it'll be exciting for me to see how it works but again youtube is my first love. I plan on making my monthly videos still just as much because I planned my now like I have all my videos for twenty twenty like early smokes. Yeah Endurance race very forward thinking tomorrow. I'm I'm filming for my February. Twenty twenty one video. That's a little. I'm going to. JPL because the curiosity or the next launches your I I love my son has a so. So yeah we'll feel mad but yeah I have all played out and so they are in different stages which is why able hopefully to do some bigger stuff. It just takes a long time for some of these builds and yeah and the television show is going to absorb your life like a spun. I I know I know. Is he so sad. Because I people keep promising. That won't be the case but there are people who are incentivized to tell me that interest you more than I trust. It's Ah you're going to have to. You're the only one who's GonNa fight for the space And you're just going to have to kind of find places to take it and actually also build it infrastructures to deal with it. I was a early in mythbusters tenure. I hired my first assistant and to be frank. All the other myth buster. The hosts made fun of me for having an assistant later. They all had since you definitely need help with the infrastructure once you're branching out yeah and like so example what would they do like an example. They'd be able to take care of stuff that some of the more quotidian stuff. That sucks up time than you don't have to do like like you know it's not required that I screw one hundred fifty screws on this thing. They could do research for other stuff other keep things burning. Got It along my attention attention. That's the thing is that the show will just. It's your time it definitely will take up. But it's also that mental energy because every episode is this puzzle just solve. Yeah Yeah Yeah what do you want to happen. What's possible what did you actually get right? I'm terrified I'm fully aware this situation. It's like I have no idea what if I knew what I was citing myself out for. I probably wouldn't have done it but it's just like I need to do it. Oh I have such an important piece of Vegas I rough cut. Well make you WANNA cut yourself. Thank you for bearing me for that first. Rough cut will unhinge you. Because you've made you video. That is a genre that is your it is. You've made them the way you wanted to make them. It's been organic grownup doing that right. So that's the specific thing in each video you have a set of invisible algorithms that you hold it up to to see. This show is a whole new beast and it will be its own thing but the first assembly cut is how you all figure out what it's going to be and thus it's not going to be anything it's going to be kind of weird and misplaced split paste and there's going to be strange points in it and you're gonNA feel like we have no idea overdoing I'm really glad you said it because honestly that's probably next time that's my number one on fear because I've done stuff. I did a thing with shark week. LEX We last year with discovery channel and with the same raw footage. They made a cut. And I'm in my youtube video and end up in trouble for saying this but when I watched like what I did and what they did. I'm just like what they did. Feels like typical TV. Like editors are trained for audience right. Yeah suspenseful they build up suspense. At a moment that wasn't suspenseful and it felt artificial to me and I'm just like I'm terrified. I You I've brought this up like oh I need to have real control over the edit because I think that's part of the special sauce of like what I do the channel like I want to be part of that And I'm terrified. It's GonNa come across as like not my brand and feel like typical TV so the biggest advantage you have is that you self produced all your stuff right so that you understand understand your pace the character that you are a lot of people showing up for their first television show have none of that grandeur and what that all means is when you have a problem problem with the edit. You're not just saying this is wrong. You're going to be coming and going. Here's how we fix this fix this authenticity problem in countless videos over the years. Here's let me do a piece of voice over shoot one more Stinger for this thing and then we'll use this from the first cousin it'll make it saying okay so you'll be presenting the solutions along with the program as opposed to that just doesn't feel right exactly. Yeah I already prepared for this. I was like look. I'm not going to be. I'm really good at working with people. I'm not going to be a micromanager. But I've probably GONNA spend a a lot of time in the Edit Bay on the first one and Jimmy's like do not Apollo it. Don't ever apologize for that. You need to feel proud of this. Is your thing so I was like okay. Good I mean honestly honestly editing most fun part of the whole process really spend time in. I don't but I love I I just I find the the watching it come. I'm to gather shirt and then looking at that rough cut and figuring out ways it can be fixed because like I think the very first you know early on in savage builds olds we just took the first day of building and roughed it out to Kinda show discovery. The way we're thinking about it and it was a great test case because nothing happened it in this assembly because it was like four hours cut down to twenty minutes right but he had all these beats in it were indicative of how we wanted the show to go so we got to kind of allow discovery to see where we were going to go with. The cinematic look specific ways in which we wanted the narrative the problems into your problem solving in pre production. When when so you have a huge leg up in that you've already been you've already? You are a problem solver in this round your brand new just creating more problems. You're actually building right solutions. Yeah no that's good to hear because that is one thing like I still edit all my own videos which people think it's crazy but it's like I like that. I think that's the fun part so it's like so you know I see this thing that youtubers do sometimes. This is like a little bit of a soapbox for me. But it's like they have a little bit of success and they feel like. Oh well the script is I need to scale l. up and I needed now hiring editor and someone behind the camera and someone to write and they need to make it bigger and bigger and it's like for what like like. What is your goal? If that's really what you're going for then you could but it to me it's the equivalent of like cranking up the treadmill and exciting at first. You got to do these things. But at some point the dopamine wears off and now you're sprinting. This really fast pace and like. That's the definition of burnout. When you're running really fast and you're not you're you're putting all this input in and you're not getting the same output? You're getting so I'd like very protective of like I have really small team like I just hired my first full-time person person and like because I like this like I'm protecting that. Little flame of creativity and people like. Oh you should write a book do podcast and go on tour with respect. I know you it currently all three of those things but yes but I'm like I'm like no like a hell. Yes it's like a no for me and and I really just you have a family. Well that's so the four years since I've been doing mythbusters has been a very slow accretion of our core team here which has grown own very slowly but the best part about that is the collaboration right like the tested producer cameraman editor joy finale And I like the. There's so many little beats of the way test videos get edited that grew out of he and I just watching cuts. What are we doing this right right? Each of us bringing ideas is and all of us bringing ideas watching that process rate and it's not just hiring a transactional thing to do it's the collaborates. Very collaborative totally totally. I'm very excited to see if there is if you need look at Your Disposal Council yere announce now the guy who leaves poop on this side of the road. You'd like to add to steal evacuate whatever you need. Whatever you if you need a machine shop you come on over Geigo? Oh right and you're shooting this in the bay area. Yeah because I live up here like you. So yeah the layer here. We got an eight and do that stuff. We'll be up here just to make it easier on me. And then we'll go across the country. They critically in one party record states are lawyers have already. They told US certain states that you need permission from bombard yeah otherwise it's like a felony. It's real it's real crime. Yeah I mean I don't WanNa go to too many details. I will say this year for the glitter bomb. I lowered up pretty hard and got several advice from like to know if I'm crossing housing lines and everything we did even subtle things by the book. So there's ways to do it. You know what's funny about lawyers. Yeah is that you start out a thing like from from the abstract. You're like well we'll just figure out what the rules are. And the answer is really any specific rules. It's more like what is the safest path with us. Market will a bear that someone will then. You're protected as right. It's managing risk but even giving someone to tell you like the right percentages on risk ski right totally because it's lawyers ears incentives misaligned incentives. They're just going to say no to everything you know. Someone said this to me at the beginning of my divorce. Fifteen eighteen years ago Ah they said look the problem about bringing lawyers into it. They have to be brought in but lawyers operate within an adversarial system. Yeah that is. It's not that they want want to do that. That's just how it works. And so it's like this and so it's really hard to shift that perspective and the more adversarial. They are like the longer longer dragged on before they get paid so on mythbusters legal team at beyond productions would sit and watch every single episode all six lawyers for Beyond and they would look doc for any product names responsible within that they'd have to go then and blur they'd be like high fiving each other for spotting. No I know it doesn't mean crazy is crazy. Yeah off camera. Showed you one of my favorite techniques for obscuring a logo. I've totally easy What's he saying about your your projects for this year? I mean it's still blowing my mind that you have twenty twenty all sort of like she. How did did you get a point? But let's say a year ago and we were thinking about twenty twenty. Mike you look back and say these are my dream projects and yeah so I've been making videos. I since two thousand eleven so like nine years and at first there was always the fear that you're gonNA run out of ideas right but what I've found is you always have. I always have six months wants to a years worth of ideas in the notebook that you're only staying in front of so. Yeah it's just I wish I could. If it's like off camera I'll rattle off the people people ever all twelve videos on camera. There's a sense or it's like I worry about this a little bit less now than I did when the channels smaller like someone's going to scoop up sees the ideas get bigger and more complex. I'm more I'll say one because I'm pretty confident they'd be WanNa see the the Mark Rober implementation of idea but hopefully you lose if you're not the first to do. It's harder to me very funny traveling around the country with Michael Michael Stevens because the number of I mean obviously the over twenty five sat was my crowd and the under twenty five crowd very specific split but the there was a clear feeling from all the teenagers that loved Michael Stevens that they all thought he had a super easy job. They're all like man. He's Reagan at work and Michael Like in his. QNA would be like man. I'm just like you. I just work a lot harder. He didn't say at that arrogantly. Don't want to put words in his mouth. But I've met a few people who work as hard as Michael Steele a mask thing now they do like polls for kids in school and it's like what do you WanNa be when you grow up and it's like now now you tuber is above astronaut. Like me I want to get like not in China though I WANNA get self righteous judge that but then I'm like hold up. I quit my dream. Job at NASA makes you literally literally the embodiment of that pool. That gets everyone. I'm pissed off that's hilarious. I'll tell you this is likely my march video is I'm making a robot that will set up a room full of Domino's Mike and Jim full of domino's so you you all turn off the lights. You come back in the morning and it's like the gym is so Rhumba that yes all of my first thought was room but to this is why this has been an idea on my bucket list for like thirty two or three years and I've tried to go at this like several times the problem with the Rumer and I want to give too much but it doesn't scale right right scaling and put hundreds of pounds of Shit into it to keep going back and ghetto back. It just does not which are really difficult. Engineering challenges very different something that can drive weighing one hundred and fifty pounds and then drive weighing one hundred pounds less than that less than that and the precision. We need an like loading it like. How'd you load huge problem in and of itself you know Number File Matt? Parker was here and he'll be back again in January but he was talking about flipping a coin Wayne Ten thousand times which he did to his family's great consternation when we but we were talking about building a machine that could flip a coin one hundred thousand times and I spent several days diagramming the grabbing it out only to conclude this is a gigantic problem. This is really hard to solve something. They could flip a coin and then read its value and then recirculating circulate and flip that coin again. Just that that's interesting. You almost WANNA do like is it cheating to have it like colored so like optically you could say. Hey that's not that's not at all but that's a great idea. Yeah because then because otherwise. It's harder to read the difference between them. Where do you go get it and how do you write like every second you lose in the flip? It's like another cow calf. I'm understanding now. More has to happen quickly. Yeah coin has to be gotten to. You could do him coin. It doesn't doesn't you could probably do it with multiple coins but that doesn't necessarily so it's it's the scale of it. Even I'm guilty. This would you told me that I was like I could do that in the morning. It was like all right I can. So here's the one more wrinkle. Is that when mad did it. He wanted defined out. It did heads or tails at ten thousand flips a British pound coin. Which is my favorite coin actually landed on its edge? Fourteen Times out of ten thousand flaps. So he's flipping it onto a table or something. I see. That's what landed on. It's much more annoying. Teenagers Catching it. So the machine I build I would build would have to believable to accommodate that we try it with nickel and see if a nickel lands on. Saturday it's going to be less than fourteen out of ten thousand. Yeah but we still have to accommodate. Wait for it so I love. This idea was what was the point of him doing this thing just to show to show empirically the split but also to see how to look look at literally edge cases literally. That's amazing. Yeah so that's that's the thing with this one. I built a one. Bill was like a DART board. That gets a bullseye. Every time he's just like Vicodin motion capture system tracks the DART ORD moves and like four hundred milliseconds and up to this point that I've been like my most complex bill but honestly that amazingly even though that seems I think more complex to people this domino thing is several times up to an order of magnitude more complex because of the scale. And that's the challenge. I need to figure out for the because they have little like Fisher price toys. You like twenty dominance in a row and sometimes you're like pre sensitive to comments like like I have this toy when I was like already matter. It sounds like it's helpful. Sometimes they have that sensitivity. Because you know how to frame the video to get ahead of that right but obvious kind of yeah so I I just I now. I'm sort of having the Spencer picturing you at a cocktail party with a bunch of older adults. Saying what do you do you saying I'm youtuber. They're thinking well that's really cute. Young Man Yeah. What are you going to do for a real job? Yeah and then I imagined picture in my head you telling them what you make from youtube videos and watching watching their jaws hit the ground. It's I don't go to that. Of course of course swinger Dixon around the state. You're absolutely right like it's such an issue. You get pat on the head by adults not an adult. No no no no no. You're this is such a true thing and this is like almost one of the reasons for doing. TV sadly is because when you say they like a youtube like Oh that's adorable. My grandson has a youtube channel. And there's no non Dushi way to defend yourself in that position because they're like no no no. It's like different different. I get like there's this nothing you your esteem communicator Yeah I think like yeah generally if someone asked me on an airplane. I'll just be like I do some science communication. Yeah I won't even I mean sometimes if it gets into it I'll say it but like it's such a complicated thing to explain without sounding lame and it's a very it's a it's a unless you're talking to someone conversational trees he's grow out of just the but that's actually come back once. I said that to dude on a plane who's sitting next to me and it's like I feel obligated to ask me a follow up question if I say like oh I make video so I was like oh I just do like some science stuff and that was it and then a couple of people came up and it seemed me on a flight and then after that he's like a whole new. Maybe in early and mythbusters I was asked to be Captain Nemo for the Coney Island Mermaid parade how they opened the beach at far rockaway every year in New York City and Patty Darville of sweet lady Dr Banville Fame Cat Stevens Song and she was on a it was the Dennis leary firefighting show. It's not burn me. Rescue me rescue me anyway. Probably Darville sitting in this rickshaw with me being dragged through New York as part of the Burr made parade and when people keep coming up to me at a certain point and this is like third season buster. She was like what the House that show again. You're now care exactly. You care exactly so I'm assuming you're on Kimmel recently only like two or three weeks ago. Yeah what did you do on the show. We announce Oh this is my first time being on the couch. Yeah yeah so that was. It's fun it's a lot less work it turns out to be. You never get to sit on the couch. Yeah normally the Times I've been on before I have a bit. You always just cooks cash. So this is part of it was I'd wanted to come on earlier to. DT Tree stuff done the countries to talk about it so part of it he. I got to talk about team trees because that was right as we crossed the finish line and then we also also got to talk about the show announcing plus glitter bomb. So it's like those three things we kinda hit that's accessible. It was really fun it was cool. I have only been on Kimmel show once he slapped me in the face. Oh we were doing a slow mo shot him smacking me in the face today. This is very funny. Bit Wear We're getting ready to go. Oh in the rehearsal and we're chatting about the White House Press Correspondents Center because the year he hosted it was the year I got to actually go and we chatted about that for a second and then we're like we're now the show's going because you know it's like a freight chain so now the show is going they jamie does this thing. And then it's time for Jimmy smack me and and you can see it dawn on his face that he's actually about to assault me and very sweetly Jimmy goes. I'm sorry that's cool man. He's like here. We go hit that. He did not as hard as Jamie Smack was much harder. That's amazing yeah he is. He's exactly as average like I don't know you have experienced meeting people like that a lot more than I do and I'm sure her summer like as advertised in some like he's kind of a jerk. It's a mixed bag Jimmy though. He's like the real exactly what you could like walking up to his office office and stuff. He knows all the security guards. He's he's talking about their families he's he's just like the real deal. The thing I liked was the White House. Press correspondent center. Winter is totally surreal. It's totally bizarre. The number of weird famous people from all these different avenues the world. And when I said to him you know I was there when you hosted it. He was like Oh oh cool and then you could see him. Think about it and he goes wasn't weird. That's exactly right. It's totally weird. Yeah I took took a picture with Rick Santorum fans yeah. I didn't recognize him at first person. Toro's handsome really. I didn't expect that but Christmas charisma. We took a picture and his pre his kids in his. Apparently his kids were obsessed with mythbusters. which is like I disagree with this politics politics? That's not that's not bad. Watch the show. And then just before the picture I told him I was diametrically opposed to everything and he went great and we took a picture. So you're just starting pre production now So you're starting to outline what you WANNA do. Starting to think about the possible are you are you. Are there items on your bucket list that you never thought you'd have the budget to do that. You're now getting to explore. Yeah there's like like again. I'm probably a lot of trouble for this but there's one of the things we're going to be like I'm going to kind. It'd be like Ashton Kutcher and punked where he's like. We're going to have like a winnebago of sweet justice where it will follow US wherever the prank is GonNa be the it'll be there and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA make it look like the widow from space balls like really run down go inside. It's going to be like Super Pin now and Super Rad astronaut chairs and a wall of TV's liquorice dispensers from the roof. You push a button. A racist pieces catapult puts it right in my mouth. They just seem so awesome. That's kind of like I. That's I wouldn't get to do that. It's almost like a set. It's almost something like that and I'm going to work with like like production. Or what do you call the people who like set designers and we'll like storyboards stuff so that's GonNa be like fun that's fabulous. I mean this is such an extension of what you do anything. I wouldn't this be cool if they're totally and on my youtube channel. I probably wouldn't like go to that extremer. I tend to think so big so this will just be a fun. Experience means for me to like. See what it's like when you have like a team at your disposal and really really good creative people to like help you collaborate with like. That's the hard I'm pretty excited about. I'll bet yeah even though I won't be sleeping six months like people like living off red ball. Yeah it's definitely amongst existence existence and advice. Yes please the moment you've finished shooting that's also. Why the first rough cut usually really unhinges you? Because you're either in the mid production or you've just wrapped your brains kind of spongy right that like months after production give yourself a lot of leeway way to decompress after the fire hose of production When I finished mythbusters Patrick Brewster told me that I was going to become unhinged and she was like I was on the show for six years and when I stopped like the whole world's changed and I wasn't ready for and so this one production cycle but still at the end of it? You're going to be like so like plan a trip of give yourself some time off work for mythbusters then was like how. How many months were you on and then off? It was is nonstop. I three months on two weeks off three months on two weeks off for fourteen years and what to see. How much is how many months this is a season like six months who knows? Discovery doesn't air seasons like twenty episodes of blight then won as many as they can get obviously more is better but like we just shot. Basically that was the most. We could shoot right three months on two weeks off was what Jamie and I could do without dying and we built a show around that we made. As many episodes we could per year on that school shooting about forty two weeks a year. That's crazy that's crazy. That's crazy crazy. Okay it was okay in our defense. We kept banker's hours. We were home by six o'clock. That's how that's how I survived. Yeah long-term through freight train because he filmed it up here. Rated Commute was ten minutes for both. That's great and so that's what made it sane yet because it wasn't sixty weeks it wasn't fifteen hour days it was. It was reasonable right that was based on all sorts of different factors kind of sculpted an adjusted and we had the luxury of a show that like had great ratings for over a decade. Yeah there's a lot of room to perfect the model. Can I just say by the way and I know you hear this. All the time stops moving the needle but yeah that show is certainly the point. I want to drive home is like you. You inspired so many people myself included a lot of what I do is kind of has a mythbusters angle to it and what I think is so interesting like you're not like what you did. There wasn't just inspiring firing people like one to one but now I'm turning around and I'm inspiring Mike the next generation right. So it's like this concept of like you never know like to me like success S.. The dividend success to me is like what is your what's the net delta of like how much the world is better because influenced and there's people who are really rich who by the district successful they're like by definition absolutely right got no totally. There's a few in potentially in high positions of power. I duNNo. No no no. You're reminding me of the Guy I met at Ted who has like a five thousand square foot shop just to himself because he cashed out of like dot com thing and made millions and has five thousand square feet of tools that he doesn't know how to use an almost never uses rates anyways. That's a long way of saying. I think what what you've done is really cool. You'll never really know the true impact but like it could go on for generations and like hundreds of years always moves the needle. You never when when you're doing your thing at your best you're not thinking about how it will land. You're thinking about the story you want it all and the structure of that but you're never trying to like get Elicit a specific response out of people's when you get a really good one as you know yourself man every single time someone tells you moved the needle for them. It's powerful well. It's it's a humbling. Yeah Yeah so thank you okay. I love what you do and I love the way you do it. I've super frigging excited about this show and seriously asleep anyway. I can help okay either with advice or okay. We're excellent to know is any. Yeah I think people who violate social norms. Beware Request Dudes who talk on their cell phones and public and women do it too but really it's so much more dudes especially here in the mission district. Could we workshop at real quick. Yeah so what do you think so. So people who is on a subway is this walking down the street a a few weeks ago at my local coffee shop ritual. There's a guy literally you know how you're on the phone you're on your headphones walking around your apartment doing that. This guy was in talking at this volume in a coffee shop going. I don't know second funding round table with more money so I would want so I love the idea of people actually taking down people's personal information and then calling them. Oh okay so. But that's also kind of unhinged unhinged. My friend a friend of mine was behind. A real douchebag had a at the inglorious bastards movie screening with Tarantino here and he's is behind this guy and he was watching this guy. I'm sorry I'm going to derail his first. He's watching this guy chat with his friends but constantly tweeting on twitter sure and my friends started following on twitter and saw that what he was doing was every time someone had a good joke. He has his own watching him. Do Ah for so my friend like at a certain point was able to figure out because the guy was super insecure. Not Secure his security protocols were terrible at one point he gave out his phone number and so my friend wrote it down and a week later usually the guys that are like a starbucks and he tweets about being at starbucks and I'm like we're GONNA screenplay and my friend was like that guy so he called that starbucks and he was like. Hey so and so there. I'm looking for a friend of mine. He's on laptop he's. He's probably wearing this baseball cap and they went and got him and he came over to the phone. It's like hello and my friend went. Yes you're a Douche man in Hong so that's more extreme than I think you should get. What if you what if you could beam their own conversation back to them later of people who do the the mind people or are they hanging around people who are on their phones and the list and then they engage like they're on their phone to and they they respond to them as if they're having conversation Asian? Oh that's funny right next to next to like you see them realize over time. That's funny are you talking to me on the phone. That's good. That probably wouldn't on the phone. He's just trying to Mike Flex Go. Let's close the deal for only airplanes too so it would be great if after their call. They're listening and it sounds sounds like music or radio. That's actually their own conversation. Being played back to them. Yeah that's good. You could do like maybe a speech jammer going back to or have you seen those Prague's bigger bigger hilarious. Where maybe you follow this guy and where he's at later you're like yeah I'll fight you? Yeah Yeah Yeah I'm down at third and fourth. I'm wearing a red shirt and white hat. Yeah bring it just I. And that's what the other guys that's really allers. Could also so you can't build at. You can't use active jammers in the United States. Oh really has no speech jammers spears. You can't use an active radio and United States but a passive radio jammer. Suppose someone's runs out in public talking on the phone and get people moving up creative. Basically cuts out basically bring screens near him. Events satisfied that does sound slight like yeah. I'm sure comments will be filled with suggestion. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah other violations of we'll take him. I think we're actually going to put out like we have a bunch that we're doing but I think the beauty of this is it this resonates with so many people kinda like mythbusters. Like what would you want to put that call out. Of course. This is the same from twitter. What what what bothers you the most and let me get like the vigilante justice for we'll include links to all your social in the comments below so people can go and tag you are at work? Yeah what a pleasure to have this I no. You don't need anything more on your plate but I'm just going to say we got to build something together. Okay so twenty twenty. Let's build something. The deal awesome official. Okay initial shock. You heard it here first next week.

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Achieving Success Through Purpose, Humility, & Integrity with Producer Michael Sugar

Dose of Leadership

45:33 min | 1 year ago

Achieving Success Through Purpose, Humility, & Integrity with Producer Michael Sugar

"Welcome to another episode of the dose of Leadership. Podcast the show that brings you inspiring and educational interviews with today's most relevant and motivating leaders. Each episode is dedicated to highlight reel life leadership and influence experts who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of the truth commonsense and courageous leadership. And now here's your host Richard Ryerson. Hey welcome does leadership so happy. You're tuning in your faring. Well during this crazy time really excited for you to listen to this conversation today I had with. Ceo Michael Sugar. Michael Sugar is an American Film and television producer. To Seal in principle at his company called Sugar Twenty three. He's best known for producing and winning an Academy Award for best picture as the producer for spotlight movie in. Twenty fifteen about the true story from the Boston Globe. Kind of uncovering. The story of the Catholic pre scandal had mark Ruffalo. Michael Keaton Rachel McAdams in it. Great movie also known for producing a bean executives from producing some great series on Netflix. Which on the huge fan of the OA which my kids absolutely love got me to watch. And I'm a big fan of his well maniac which was a great one to that Emma stone and Joe Hill in thirteen reason. Why was just a smash success? He was behind that as well really enjoyed talking with him. You know we spent a lot of time talking about an only background but his kind of what made him up as a leader and it was interesting getting his perspective from the entertainment industry. Someone from Hollywood someone. That's always wanted to make movies as entire life. Tell great stories and we talked about a theme that we that is prevalent on this. Show too nasty a time and time again. This keeps coming up that it's it's about never quitting and he gives a great story an example of how he's been nations even since he was a kid. But there's also that humanity side of doing the right thing. Humility side always stated the leadership that we're trying to gain here. We were trying to follow. I'm trying to model my own life on a day-to-day basis is have that intensity of will write the creation of do something. Ed Intensity to get something done and have the Tennessee. But it's coupled with that humbled teachable spirit and were that. Ven Diagram intersex middle. That's the sweet spot in Michael's one of those guys. He seems like he's constantly trying to do the right thing. We talk about culture. We talk about how you know. He says one of his big things like there's no glass ceiling heritage organization. He wants everybody to walk away. Making sure that we're doing this for a purpose that we're doing this to make sure that we're leaving significant and productive and happy lives and I just love this conversation. I talked to him for hours. But you really enjoy it. 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Well I mean I think it certainly is especially right now as we sit at home and everyone can either. Their houses Would call it Platinum age but I think what what happened. Was that the price of going to the movies and the need for social shared. Experience eliminated a lot of movies That would normally play in in in the cinema. So what was left was the big tentpole movies and and the shared experience Other than the avengers in big giant movies migrated to television and so I think what what happened. There was that the storyteller is also followed. Because that's where the opportunities were and that's where the money was and so it was just sort of a normal cycle into a medium that Looked very different years ago than it does now. I mean ten years ago you almost never saw the kinds of filmmakers that would win Oscars Directing Time Vision. There were division directors and they were film directors and now and say movie stars Right. There's there was never really movie stars on television. There were movie stars. That came from television like George Clooney but would have never imagined that Meryl Streep and Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston and Steve. Carell would would be excited about doing television. That's right they are. I mean you think back to the seventies you know when you watch the love boat and you see. Kinda cavalcade of all the current. Tv Stars on this week's episode you know and you're right there was hardly any cross pollination if you will you know that there were A movie star. They were a former movie star. That's Kinda migrated television. Someone that was kind of senior in their age or something. But you're absolutely right and I think there's just so many great there's so much great content out there. I mean it's just unbelievable. It's almost overwhelming to date and try to choose. You know I mean I I sit there find myself scrolling rather than I do actually yeah. It's that's the challenge. I guess but how does I'm curious? How do you get started in that? I mean that's what's so interesting to me. What was your kind of take a little bit of your background when you're a kid in high school college. Did you think you would be doing this? You know I did. I always wanted to make movies. It was something that connected to as a kid My folks were both in different aspect of the entertainment industry Which turned out not to be helpful to me as I would have hoped but but nevertheless I was exposed to it and the vocabulary of the business from an early age and spire to to be a storyteller. I went to school. I grew up Angeles and I went to college back. East at Brandeis University after two years in an international school called the United World College. Which for me was really transformative and what was interesting about that. School was We had students from about one hundred and fifty countries and most of them were there because they had a an eye towards changing the world and now most of my former classmates are working in Politics Philanthropy or at the you know. World Health Organization and I always wanted to tell stories and felt that That was my way of making an impact on the world And so for me that was it was. It was always in the cards for me yet. I it seems like the to me the theme and this is an outsider looking in kind of a consumer of it and never really understanding how one becomes a producer but it does seem though that the ones that have the lasting power be an actor a writer director or producer they always go to the storytelling side of it. And I guess that's kind of maybe from urine. It's kind of like no. We'll know da but there is something to that. It seems like the ones that have the staying power are more concerned about the storytelling than say the fame or the financial prospects that come from. Does that mean does that resonate with you. Does that make any sense? I mean look I think people that are self aware are very quick to say. They're not driven by business And I think there's a part of it that's true I think a lot of us WanNa make living and a good living doing it. Our the thing that's challenging about the entertainment business is unlike most businesses that I can think of. There's no proportionate relationship between hard work and success You can be you can also because there's no particular lane or strategy to succeed within the entertainment business at least on the creative side There's no there's no rule book. There's no promotions into being a producer. You you just have to There are there is no specific path. I should say into that So I think while people are are not entirely driven by money. And that's a good thing. I think that the the the more that people spend time in the entertainment industry and the more successful they become the more. They also become aware that there's easier ways to make a living writing and and so you really have to love storytelling and you have to love connecting with people to some degree and of course storytelling is you know such a basic human thing. I'm and I have a three year old and we read him stories every day and we have since you know he was Three months old maybe younger and we all love stories and so for us and I think politics storytelling and I think finances stories at the end of the day. It's just a different kind of story. It raises it was thinking about that. When you your answer there that I mean I guess that's why it's so maybe so fasten just for the general public and I never really thought of it this way because it is such a brutal it is such a brutal profession to your point. There's no template like if someone entered Amin life is unpredictable on so many fronts. But you're right if I go in and get a business degree and go to corporation. There is kind of a predictable clause predictable path in the entertainment industry. You're right it is so brutal and to your point that I think that's what highlights when I live like looking at Some of the people that have made it and hearing their stories to the level of tenacity that is required to stay in the business for a long time. Because it'll chew you up and spit you out. And if you're not tenacious you won't survive so it seems like everybody that kind of got make us go ahead? I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off. Well I was going to share a story so when I was twelve years old. I read a book called a separate piece by John. Knowles in seventh grade and It was a wonderful that I fell in love with and I think for many many years has been required reading and a lot of schools country and I I wanted to make a movie and I was twelve and I said to my father who knew more about the movie business than I did. I WanNa Make WanNa make this movie. And he said well. Okay you have to find out who has the rights so I found out that paramount had the rights because they had made the original version of the film and I wrote a letter on in handwriting on College. Ruled PAPER SAYING. Hey paramount. I'm Michael and I'm twelve and I WANNA make this movie and of course I didn't hear anything back a year later. My Dad said what what happened with your movie and I wasn't. They never wrote me back and he said well that that's That's pretty par for the course. What are you GonNa do about it so I wrote another letter? I said I'm thirteen now and I would love to make this movie. And they didn't back and then it became a bit of a joke on my birthday every year. I wrote a letter to paramount and over the years I started becoming a bit. More savvy about who to write it to I moved from you know college will taper to tighter and then I went to college and I still did. I started writing dear paramount. I have a new girlfriend dear paramount I have the you know really it was just a thing and finally when I was in law school. I figured out that I should write a letter to business affairs and I did. And they wrote me back and then They gave me the opportunity to come in and pitch to them and I did and it was the first movie that I ended up making so it was thirteen years in the making but it really does speak to the need to stick with it. Yeah I love that story. I think if sometimes people ask me after having four hundred of these conversations over the last seven years what what sticks out what have you learned. And that is the overriding theme that everybody talks about that. It's so often it's less about the tau it's almost like the talent is a given piece for the most part. You gotta be good at something. But the one that that strives. It's it's not the one using more talented than one. That was more tenacious. That tenacity is what rules the day. And what what drives lives of significance and success and I do believe that and I think that guy you just look at the industry in all those great stories in like in in there are some I guess. True overnight successes the rare but even the ones that are labeled overnight successes. There's usually years if not decades of the ten thousand hours right. Is that true from what you've seen? I would say more often than not for sure. That's the case there are overnight transformations. Yeah that's but I don't think that But I don't think I mean for me I was my. My career was on a very solid trajectory and it was growing and moving forward but you know the day. I won an academy award. You know my my credibility my Notoriety in the entertainment industry was essentially more so overnight. I was in a different position but there were other markers along the way that gave me those spikes I sort of look at it like the Stock Market. Right you you. You're going to get beaten down. You know updates down days some days. They're going to be really bad some days. They're going to be really good. But if you just keep at it you're going to be at hopefully. I'm looking at it today. And you know those but what's so so tell me a little bit about your mindset. Then because obviously you've had this kind of ingrained in you that example you gave with your story with your father. What a great example. Okay now what are you? GonNa do right. So he knew what he was trying to teach you so. Tell me a little bit about your influences your mentors and maybe even some of your personal habits and even that describes your mindset and what is your mindset. I guess on a daily basis. I think that well that's a lot of mouth your job. Let's break it down so I think the mentors I I didn't have a ton of my father and mother were certainly mentors as parents can be and because they were both in the entertainment industry they added a layer of of Formation and education in that process for me but really I think the mentorship that you get from your parents when it's at its best is just the humanity and values are instilled which for me has been a big driver in my professional habits. Which is that you know to to make a reputation of doing the right thing by people and to make a reputation of being kind when other non I think is a really helpful. Way To approach it I I remember it was a. It was a moment like fifteen years ago. I was in Las Vegas playing poker and this is when everybody was playing poker and I was sitting at the table and I realized that bit more money than most people at the table and I was playing for. Some people were playing for their rent and so I started to tell people the truth about what I had in my hand so if I had a hand that was definitely gonNA beat. Somebody that I thought was nice and really needed the money I would say to the guy. Hey Man I got I got you beat. I got two aces here You should fold and then he would raise me and when I was blessing. I thought everybody I was bluffing. And they should call and they would fold and all night. I kept telling the truth and all night. I kept winning. It was the biggest night I'd ever had played poker and I I walked away from it. I was thinking. Wow like in a business that is full of liars bad behavior and and people. You can't trust that the truth is actually power. And it wasn't that I had not done acted that way throughout my career up to that point but it really solidified in me this sense that you can be a good person and a good actor and kind and thoughtful and benevolent and still be successful. Even in a business where not? Everyone achieves their success that way. That's such a great story great example. Because you're right because even look at big business or even big entertainment. It is littered in their plenty of stories both in pop culture. And in truth of of you know you're basically sign in the contract with the devil and we all know what happens right the whole stars born story type thing and and or you know if you sell your soul to the devil type thing but you're right and that's why I love finding because there are so many great examples to your point. That people never get highlighted people that are doing the right thing and what? I like to call making the campsite better than they found it. Because they feel that that's their obligation. But they never get highlighted. I don't know maybe it's because we're just as human beings we kinda think if it bleeds. It leads type mentality right. And that's what sells the papers and the and the clicks in this stay in tune in the TV. But I I love that you said that because you know the general perception of the entertainment industry is is one that can run by people with not the right kind of ethical standards but to your point like you said there's probably I don't know it's probably more than I tend to think there's more good than bad. I don't know what do you think in general I think so too and I also feel like You know if you look for the best in people you find that I will say that. Why behavior is particularly bad in the entertainment industry in by that I mean the music industry which is notoriously bad and and other businesses within the entertainment industry. Is that like I said earlier. There's no proportionate relationship between hard work and success so there are different measures in different rewards of success like invitations to the right parties and access to the right clubs and things like that which create validates for folks and brings out some bad behavior. Because it's not necessarily connected to the work And also because it you know it beats you down for so long like when. You're pledging a fraternity. That when you actually succeed you sometimes forget that you don't have to continue to beat down others so I think there's I think that's there's a whole psychology. It's probably a completely different podcast. We could talk about but You Know I. I spent a lot of time thinking about the psychology of our of my industry and There's a lot of psychology so much of it is driven by it. Yeah it's almost like I think that speaks of the broader sense of just kind of humanity psychology of and. I think this is what the big lie is that we base our self worth on what other people think about us and what we accomplish. And that's that's that can lead to all the dangerous path in the entertainment industry. It just. It's especially when you you you have to be somewhat of a narcissist to be somewhat successful. I mean we're all nurses as degree but if you combine that light that's why you see all those. Come you know the the kind of the crash and burn stories as opposed to the ones that had that sustainability right we we all know who those actors producers and directors are that have back to steady as they go and I think it speaks to that at some point that you can't I guess what I was trying to say with this is. You can't have your self worth based on what you've accomplished. What other people think of you because that's not sustainable? That will eventually take you down a dark path. So somehow you have to get your self worth grounded in something else besides what you do. Does that make sense? Well of course I it makes perfect sense because also I think it's not limited to my business the more sure that's for one becomes the less likable they also become. You know for for whatever reason so. If you're basing your self worth on that validation tweeting although I still care what everyone thinks and I stay up late at night making sure everybody likes me. I know we all do. I mean it's not like I can sit there and I say that and I certainly fall victim to it but I think you know having that awareness right when you're doing it is probably more than half the battle because we all Wanna be left and we all want to do things that get approval and it's scary and that's why I think for anybody yet. So that's why I have so much a reverence for anybody entrepreneurs or creative artists. Put something out there because at it takes a tremendous amount of courage to do that. You know whether you're riding something or putting say here's this would you guys think in even my little podcast? I mean it was a huge. Psychologically I had to get used to the criticism and and stop searching for just the praise to make me feel validated right. I'd love to take a moment just to tell you that your podcast is phenomenal. And all your successes well-deserved and it's just the beginning for you. I think I speak for everyone. Who's listening thank you? That's so nice of you. I really appreciate that feedback. Tell me a little bit about the formation of sugar twenty three and and some of your past experiences. I mean you've you've worked for the companies. Obviously tell me a little bit about that. Yeah I know I've I've worked in. I worked for a few companies over the years. I spent fifteen years prior to starting the current company with a company called anonymous content. Which is one of the leading Management and Film and television production companies in the world. And I spent fifteen years. They're really starting at the very bottom and by the end of it. Was You know one of the managing partners of the company and when we had We sold a large portion of the company a few years ago. I spun out Sugar Twenty three and subsequently complete. We spun it out as my own entity And so we it was it was. I really didn't want to put my name in the in the company name but I wanted people to know that it was still me? Because so many folks I think Associated with anonymous content. So it was a strategic decision at the vice of my investors. Really and twenty. Three's my lucky number. I like it so I guess I'm curious to did you. I talked a lot of talk to a lot of entrepreneurs on this in a theme. That always KINDA COMES. Up is okay. They've they started this they. They've gone completely on their own Maybe they've always been that way. Maybe they worked for corporation. Work away up kind of like what you just described now. The their they got their own entity at some point. They've all kind of said that if we're going to scale this thing if we're going to take it to the heights that I really wanted to. I really gotTA understand leadership. And when they went into it they didn't know that it was Kinda like it kind of slapped him in the face like something happened. Where they like an epiphany happened or some kind of splat moment where they said. Oh my God I got to learn how to become a better leader. That ever happened to you. It happens to me every day. I think if you're not asking that question as a leader everyday then you're probably not maximizing your role as a leader I didn't I knew that what I was going to try to see. What's with this company was going to require an execution of a of a big vision from a lot of people and What I didn't know I I knew intellectually that I was going to be a CEO and that was a different You know and and my company is bigger than in television production so we can talk about that later. But I knew that I was going to have to rise to the challenge. I think I don't remember where I read it. Maybe it was in was in some book that read. That said that you know there's no real training for a CEO. And until you're actually doing it. And I think that is proven to be very true for me So I'm in a constant love affair with learning here and and make a lot of mistakes and that's okay I don't mind I. I'm humble enough to admit when I made the mistakes. I seek counsel when I don't know the answer and and I'm learning. Yeah and I'm having fun learning. I sense that about you. It seems like I think what the the type of leadership that I kind of gravitate towards the kind of leader that I I want to be both personally professionally is I have this intensity of will and it sounds like obviously you do too. You have this this calling this. Passion is burning. Whatever you WANNA call it. But it's combined with this Humble teachable spirit. And I think we're that VIN DIAGRAM INTERSEX. That's the sweet spot and you seem like that kind of guide me based on our you know only knowing you for the last thirty forty minutes but it seems like that way to me how do you how does that resonate with you and you hear me say that well. I. I'm glad you feel that way because I aspire to that. I don't know that I always succeed but one of the things that I I say all the time in any of my colleagues who will listen to this. We'll roll their eyes because they know what I'm about to say I tell everybody in every meeting that happiness matters that the the quality of the experience matters more to me than the result of the experience and not from having been in work environments that were toxic and having been in experiences that were joyless. I mean that's one thing that that I find a lot of success. People are not happy. And it's it's it's not because you know the proverbial money doesn't make you happy it's not that calculus the calculus that in order to stay successful. You have to continue constantly thinking about the next step. Which I think isn't true. I think you have to. You have to also think about the current step and you have to enjoy those moments. The success because If you don't then you forget why you're doing it and so for me. I think what I really try to instill in all of my colleagues and and everybody. I've said it so many times that anyone I've done business with will will vouch for me. I always say that in every meeting. I'm only interested at this point in my career in doing things that are fulfilling. There's say there's making a living and making a life and they need to be juxtaposed at all times. I love that I think that really resonates with me because I I think you just kind of answered it. There are set it there. When you said it's all about the happiness peace I I I think what you mean is deeper than that. I think it's in. You just said it. It's about is the difference when I asked somebody. Do you want to lead a successful life or do you want to be a significant life? It subtly subtly very powerfully different right. And that's what I think you're trying to say with. I The reason why we're here is to make the place better than we found it. And we're doing that through this production company in creating great stories that are meaningful in the work is meaningful and we treat others respect and all that other stuff right. That's what you're trying to. I love that did I hit that. Is that right. Would what I said. Look I WANNA just in case. My investors are listening. I want them to know that I really do want to make a successful company as well as significant one but it is very much. I don't think that they're disconnected. I think their interest. Yeah I you know sorry gland it was just GonNa say I agree with you. I don't think that we're all here to have the experience. Speed Cotton Candy and rainbows. That's what I mean about significance because sometime significance does mean long our sacrifice in it is about you know to your point making a profit because the profit allows continued to make significant things right. This isn't a charitable of exactly right. I mean when I made when I made spotlight Which was eight years In the making I if you took if you took all of the hours that I spent on it I probably made like maybe one cent per hour. I mean I made no money on it. obviously produced success from for me and for my company because we won the Academy Award and it was significant From entertainment business standpoint but it was also impactful in the world. You know I was able to. You know with with my colleagues on that movie set in front of so many hundreds of people who came to us and said this movie gave us the courage to tell the truth and I think there was significant. Changes in the Catholic Church made by it and I feel like that impacts. You know so much more lasting but also it has created success for me in other ways because we have a book imprint and you know journalists in politics. They want us to tell their stories. And we have Knew all the movies and and and TV shows that we try to we try to buy the writers are wannabe with people. That told that story. So you know. The the success of an individual achievement is not only measured by the rewards of that achievement. Right there's a there's a real ongoing lasting effect and that was great was great about spotlight. It seemed like the right move at the right time. It was kind of almost the twenty tens all the president's men in in a way right. I mean I'm sorry at that. Comparison has been made many times over but it does seem like it was at the right place at the right time as terms of the significance of what it was trying to not only shed. The light appeal the layers back on a great story. That many may not have understood at that level but I don't know it just seemed like when you went into it did you. Did you think that I mean I guess what I'm saying? What was it like when you realize you're up for an academy award? Was it a shock surprise or was that kind of the goal eight years going in it was definitely not the goal and along the way I would have never expected it to have the attention that it did and I think you're right. It was the right place at the right time. I'm not even sure it was the best movie of the year but I think it was. It was released at a time when there was such a craving and thirst for institutional accountability and for deep dive journalism and conversations about keeping people in check And and I think that that created a movement towards Embracing this film. And then what happened? Was You know? I never thought it was gonna be in contention when it was in contention. I never thought we would win. And then people started anointing us as the winner For a long time. And then you start thinking about it and you know anyone who says it's an honor just to be nominated are they're lying to you. I mean it is an honor. But it's not all they want and And when you when you get really close to it it it actually became pressure. It became something very different It was it was emotional and heavy and and challenging and exhausting and But it was obviously life changing and and so wonderful and and really it was great because it put the movie on a more global scale which enabled more survivors of abuse to you. Know be hurt and found and protected so win win for everybody absolutely. What kind of cody? We touched on a little bit. What kind of culture he said you want everybody kind of have this. Make sure that we're here. Striving towards success happiness significance. Whatever you WANNA call it the culture. You're being very intentional about that culture. So at what point? I mean you seem like that is very important you to be intentional about creating a workplace. That is a great place to come to. You know I mean. We've all woke up in the ceiling going. I don't want to go to work today because of that. Place is so bad but What is it for you? I think it's very it's a fool. They're in for a CEO to think that he or she can create a culture because by definition a culture is not created by one person. It's created by a population and so what I try to do is create the starting point and the end point. Which is you come to work happy. And you leave work happy. In between I seek guidance from the people that inform the culture and so what I think consensus usually is is. We want to be heard. We want to be respected. We want to be unlimited and so I- strive to try to create for my team as much runway as possible to do what makes them happy and passionate while still doing the task that they're hired to do and I think most people do their tasks better when they feel like. It's not just a task. Yeah so I. When we moved into our new corporate headquarters played in every on every desk. I just wrote a note to everybody and just wrote there is no glass ceiling here and I just one. And most of my. It's nice most of my colleagues. Have that note somewhere other still on their desk or on their wall and that that makes me so happy when I see it when I walk into someone's office because I that is why people are excited and I think anybody who's listening would know that going to an environment to work which isn't joyful in some way and isn't fulfilling and full of respect is a terrible way to spend your day and I just don't want anyone. I don't want anyone doing that under my roof is that your primary job is a CEO is to be that kind of communicator of this kind of vision. That some might even think impossible. Do you think that is your primary job? No my primary job is to run a profitable business right so so I I would love to be idealistic about it. I think my primary expenditure of time is is that but my primary job is to run a business. That will succeed because if I can't do that then all the people can't be paid and it doesn't matter what culture I've created But I but I think it's connected right if if if if my primary job is to run a successful business. Then the parts of the machine has to be optimal at all times. And so you know it is part and parcel to that and so I am conscious of it and you know sometimes I think maybe to conscious of it as well because You know I think people are a- people are resilient and able to survive without being coddled and you know. I'm a caretaker. My parents fought a lot You know so. I was always the caretaker and and And it's stuck with me even now but I try to. I try to focus on the business as much as possible but make sure that people are empowered at all times. Yeah I didn't mean to insinuate that maybe that to me. I guess from where I was coming from was that that's kind of what you just said is kind of a given as your role. I mean it is that is the given part is that to run a profitable business. But I think you're right. They are connected. I think as as evidenced by he said taking up most of your time I think that's an investment of time as well spin in my opinion because I think sometimes and I guess that's what I meant about. It's kind of like me that I'm a pilot for American Airlines. It's a given that. I know how to fly the plane in the most conditions. That's what I do but I train there'll be a pilot training simulator into and and run through crisis scenarios right in Black Swan events like cove in nineteen. And how you're gonNA respond to the absolutely right absolutely right. The real thing for for for US curious about how I mean. Obviously every industry's impacted by that. But just give me a little insight and how what are you kinda seeing as as monumental changes in this not going to be the same wants. This is all over in the entertainment industry. Anything stick out. I think that Leonard I mean. Look depending on how long this thing lasts which I just can't imagine we'll be more than six months a year before we figured out something. I think the entertainment industry will be fine. I think that It's a lot of people are getting hit now because all production is halted. And there's you know and and I think the problem is that people don't get your gaming industry largely pays people for work not most people aren't on under long-term deals for anything and so I think there's been a a very serious hit to the community in the entertainment community which You know the Nice thing. Is that the entertainment community has really stepped up to take care of its own. I think you probably read. Net flicks allocated one hundred million dollars to keep people working. They're paying their crews who have been laid off. They're paying them Because they're able to shoot their their productions and. I think that's extraordinary and you know Netflix. You know you asked me who my mentor is. I don't know that I have an individual mentor. That's been more meaningful than just the the entity of Netflix to us. They've been so wonderful and had surrenders that places like talk about vessel and kind and good human. There's there's there's no one like him so you know they're they've they've sort of led the charge and I think I hope we'll follow but it's but it's hard I mean nobody's nobody can do what we do. It's like You know same with athletes who can't play their game and Zinger. It's who can't do their concerts and comics. Who CAN'T STAND ON STAGE? I mean it's we're all we're all suffering for. Yeah well what's next? What are you looking forward to? I mean I look at I just want to let you know my teenage daughters. They for year. Almost they're trying to get me to watch the OA and so that was favorite shows. I love collateral beauty to. I thought that was a great movie. Thank you I. I liked collateral. I love that movie too. And it's funny because that was the Antithesis of spotlight right the the the community embrace spot light and the community rejected the for similar psychology. Although you know collateral beauty was you know one of my most out of that. Something probably of anything. I think it's just so powerful and so many families who lost children Wrote to US saying that. There's never been a movie that captured what that was for a family better than this one. I just think you know people. People didn't WanNa sad movie right. I think you're right and I don't know why I love. I love the I love the performances in it. I love the story and again I like crying and movies anyway. But that's just me. My wife doesn't like it. She doesn't like stories like that but I just love to I love. I love it when a movie takes over my emotions so anyway I just WanNa you know. I liked it so I really. I really think that that means a lot because that that's one of the most under appreciated movies ever been be for me. What's next is you know. We're GONNA continue making shows. We're making just finished another season of Dickinson for Apple. Great Show and we're very proud of that. Thank you so much. And we have a couple of movies coming out later this year and we we are also involved in a lot of other businesses in part of why the company was not just to be a film and TV producer so but really to leverage media relationships and strategy to brands and in other capacities. So you know we are We have a lot of different divisions within the company. I mean addition to having a book imprint and doing unscripted unscripted television and film. We're also you know in the gaming and East sports space. We are working with other brands like time. And we've created a joint venture with the Mandela family to start a medium business with in Mandela's name and so we're we're doing all kinds of things and for me it's really just about. How do you use the power of influence to to deliver a message and I think brands having made commercials for brands for many many years at an honest content? I saw huge disconnect because brands would would call production companies and say. Here's here's the commercial that are creative agency wrote for us go make it and what was interesting is that you were having people who don't really connect with audiences create things to connect with audiences and so i. I started built this company on the premise. That if you come to people like me and other storytellers that I can populated into the mix. We can help you. Connect to the masses. And so we've had a lot of success with brands Coming to US and Some of the biggest brands in the world. And then some even some start ups and we're we're helping them with their message and aiding towards you know. How do you move your brand or your product into Zeitgeist? We really saw the power of that with thirteen reasons. Why right this was a show. We did for net flicks. Selena Gomez wasn't even in the show but when just by virtue of the fact that she was talking about it in her social channels and the show became a massive hit and You know that was sort of a turning point for me when I said well you know why. Why are we not harnessing that power for brands? I mean the TV show is a brand new. Aren't we doing it for you? Know other companies. What I love what you do and I think you one of the good ones and the content do is it is it is meaningful and you're doing great work you're surrounded by great talent You're representing great talent. I just think you're you're you're doing some great things and I look forward to see what you do in the future. How can people learn more about your company or get in touch with you or connect with you in any way Well there's there's all kinds of press on all the time and We have We have our website. But it's it's we took it down to Redo it so it'll be up in a couple weeks sugar twenty-three DOT COM INSTAGRAM's at sugar twenty three and Although we you know we try to be as we're a little bit Internal focused in that regard but We want to the People. We work within the brands. We work to speak for themselves. Were there you can find me on you today. Shas Asia's aches and then you'll see that's right. He's been thrilled to have you on the show. I honored to have you in the dose of Leadership Circle. I hope we can continue this conversation. Have you back again? I think there's so much I can tell you that this was great having you on. Thanks for coming on. It's my pleasure and I really appreciate your time in for vitamin here. You Bet that was such a fun conversation for me. I really do appreciate Michael. Coming on the show and I hope to keep him keep in touch with him and learn more from him and these think he's one of the great ones out there learning about the tenacity. No glass ceiling peace making sure that everybody leaves a significant productive. Live the intention behind it. The humility that he has but he has a level of intensity about it type of leaders that we all should be intense coupled with humbled teachable spirit. And that's the type of leadership that so needed especially right now. Hey Do me a favor your call to action. If you really like what you hear no dosing leadership reach out to somebody. Tell a friend. A family member a coworker. Somebody let them know about show. It's through your word of mouth efforts that the show continues to grow and I really do appreciate and be haven't done so please. Take the time to subscribe rate a review writer review an apple podcast or stitcher. That helps me as well. 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Mark Rober, Friend of Science - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 1/14/20

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Mark Rober, Friend of Science - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 1/14/20

"Woke him the stone titled the Adam Savage Project. I'm norm- I'm Adam and I'm mark. Runner seems crazy that you have not yet had been on the plot. This is perfect. I love it bit in the cave. Also the first time we met wasn't at Simone's Christmas party a couple years ago right before. Yeah I seen you when you the brain candy tour bike came backstage with Michael and we got to meet him. I've met a I king's ransom of youtubers through Michael Stevens really is the gateway was unsure. That was actually why when we went to Perth Australia. Not Perth Way Up north when we went to One part one of the cities in our Australian alien tour. I introduced him to John Plant Technologies. Oh is he don't surely. Ah Yeah I had no idea. Maybe we shouldn't say there'd be parts of the episode names locations which which by the way I take time out to say if I do say something and it's like I want to rephrase it absolutely. They've heard that part already. So they'll know there'll be the guts they can fill in the blanks. It will welcome to the cave. It seems like that's crazy. This is your first visit because clearly we swim in the same waters. That's right and and I will say I think you you said everyone says this but coming in and see in. Three dimensions is just next level. I've seen it on so many of your videos in two D. but three D. is that's where it's at. It's it's way more hortatory in going to phase right now. You're coming at a point which I'm getting rid of a lot of stuff so you're going to have to leave some of these motorcycle I will take but it looks like a beautiful type of horror. It's like an artistic cordery high functioning. And we're in a transitional transitional state. I got a new storage space. We're trying to. I'm trying to be Marie condo about growing out the stuff. I don't mean the problem is so much frikkie. Cool stuff right. I just came to an interesting maker's perspective however In which I keep thing everything I keep I keep because it's got some some level of interest sparks joy sparks like. Oh that could be useful And I've started. I come to to the realization that can for that stuff I can get rid of because it's shapes that I thought were interesting and that I think oh maybe I'll use that in a thing but that's a prop based sort of idealization And it's a certain kind of building that I don't do anymore very much because costumes mostly cost right so when I have to build props almost always fully scratch built. Save all these old air soft guns and paintball crap and stuff like that so so just slowly sloughing it off and making this much more of a directed costume shop with the ability to make props from. You're also not builder that would like have a digital digital repository of shapes and then want to browse through that way and three print. One why you would want something immediate. If you're built summit no actually now oh I see the prop builds. I do are much more sort of focused and directed to replicate a specific thing rather than like this is cool shape. I could use that as something someday. That's the kind of stuff I'm getting rid of. Yeah so like I have to pianos just the mechanics the hammers all pianos worth of linkages. And it's it's like I don't need those anymore. I haven't used them in the twenty five years. I've been storing them. Might as well let them go to someone who will use. Yeah I tend to be sort of a minimalist so yeah. I love existing in spaces like this for short periods of time. But what is your like you save your hero pieces from your video. I I like I have like the world's largest serve good world's largest super so I do have those like in a storage and we're kind of building a shop and they will be in the shop but yeah it's sometimes. I will scrap a thing that we did one like a rock skipping. ROBOT MADE FROM A. What do you call those like launch? The shockey tutors each you thank you And some of them all just take down afterwards but for the most part the big ones. I'll save yeah okay. That's the the same you just have made so much more stuff than I am. Also very profligate collect also True Wall Street Journal. That story I I felt most. When you have a box of chords that you'll never use right and a everyone has a USB cord but this is this is a whole number? Yeah you know. It's funny I talked to crowds and I'll do appearances young people. Ask You questions about your process and about how you store and move things around the cabin and one of the ones that this is a joke. I've been working on which is to explain to a crowd that every one of us has a drawer in the kitchen that you haven't seen the bottom of the deck right now and there's a way like I really love that shared experience but also feel like there's a laugh in there somewhere and I've been trying to find find it when I talked to crowds about it but don't get the lack of recognition. So I think I my biggest problem as a writer when I'm trying to make a joke is that I don't set up my jokes enough. I've I suffer Chris. Rock's admonition that you gotta set your joke really solid. I gotta work on that one. Yeah I feel like there's something there I I think that is the truth like everyone has that experience is like your problem is you just have made and have dealt with and have seen so much cool stuff that your junk drawers is by definition much larger than everyone the but you're about to make your junk drawer even larger. Yeah can we talk about your your your newest escapade proverbial Israel junk drawer. Yeah you are your matriculating from it and I- tutoring television pure to To a person with a show on television. Yeah congratulations. Thank you thank you. Yeah so I mean so I'm doing a show with Jimmy. Kimmel called revenge of the NERD. That's the name of it. which is that was jerry idea? That's great right so the the premises were pranking people who violate social norms. So people might have seen like Mike litterbox video where sure yeah. Someone stole a pack by Porch. That made me sad. So it's like an engineer. I could do something about this. So we get revenge on them when they steal the packers they open a ah four cameras recording Glitter spray the whole thing. So I told Jimmy I was like dude because I'm GonNA show a few times like let's bring your friends. Let me like come up with something. And he's like man lawyers here suck. He's like everything would be such a pain. Let's just make our own show together so Yeah that was like a year ago and it's just take forever like things rolling but it'll be on discovery channel. Eight episodes launches probably this summer. Amazing gradulate thank you as you. We'll have to talk. Yes yes so the thing is you know someone doesn't pick up their dogs poop You know we'll build a catapult launch. The poop back at their house people who violate and Social Larry David style setting nor you this what. I'm really excited about like not returning turning your grocery cart to like the little chamber where I should say. We're going to reward people who do the right thing. So if you do return your car a drone comes down or something one hundred bucks. Yeah then we'll have a bunch of remote control. There's so much you're like so one flavors you you kind of move it behind their car Dr. Yeah and they see it so they get out move it and as soon as they get their car or you like coming towards their car like it looks like the wind and then they're like should I get out and then you stop it and they're like okay and they put it in reverse and then you just floor it. You know. You're putting cameras all over the coast to the camera platforms the carts themselves camera pets and then they'll come out and and like what the heck to get it and then you just you have chased it around. But it'll just be just faster that human so then it'll loop back and keep hitting their car but there's other important part is like they'll be full boom on the front of the carts because we all this to be super harmless prank. That's like messes up. So not only. Is it harmless so everyone that allows you to cheer for it but these Sir punks who are doing the wrong thing so that will further allows the audience at home to be like I can get behind this well. You've answered one of the questions. One of the problems I have with prank shows is that they're frequently like cruel and I'm never interested in watching someone have a breakdown for for fake reason. Yeah I find that stressful. Yeah Yeah Yeah same same with me. That's not my mo even with the glitter bomb. You get a lot of people like oh you should put like painting that or like acid obviously. That's extreme but it's like that's just not what I want to do. And even these people that do take it like in general. I don't press charges like come to an understanding. It's like all right. Well the glitter in there. They have us pay off and other ways do you have. Have you had people willing to sign an appearance release. Yes so if you see their faces Jason Blurred so this one I actually sent some of the footage beforehand to Jimmy. He's like dude. You need to get the facial expressions on these are so great he's like you you can't blur those. So what. His producers called them up and worked his magic in Salamanca so years ago there was an article. I can't remember where what publication it was in but it was by someone whose job was to get appearance releases for cops show and they said specifically never hard. It was really not a hard part of the job because everyone looked at it as a silver lining in a d right like oh well. At least they'll get L. television. And maybe maybe something will happen from that list. Look our president has shown that there's little downside idea you are listening but they're pretty diligent on. TV I mean you guys you did it to me. I mean so the where we where we ended up with the difficulties realties was like like you are ethos on. mythbusters was never to make a fool out of right which is why we never did an episode about dousing which is to hold a fork stick and look for for water which is totally bullshit. No one's dowling's never survived double blind tests. I don't care if your GRANDPA's a dowager. He's he's not full of shit he probably probably totally believe that people may pick up visual cues from the landscape about water. But it's not from the forks. Dick that being said right in order to episode about dousing. I'd have to have a control. I'd have to bring thank someone on the show them failing and make them a fool and that's not a narrative of mythbusters. I'm surprised that never came up and mythbusters in other ways so things like astrology just things we never. We never did things in which we'd have to prove a negative. Yeah so we never did astrology or bigfoot. We did pyramid in power. And I still regret it and I'm sorry about pyramid but yeah we look for things and at one point for one episode and it'll be very circumspect inspect about how I describe this for one episode. We brought in a quote expert who showed up and was so bad. Yeah we wanted to fire but we were already pot committed spent so much of our budget getting him there and setting up for him right. We ended up making him look even more amazing. That was the narrative of our show. Yeah I will not name him but you know while you're doing the show. You're still doing youtube stuff to say. Yeah Yeah I love and pushed back on the TV thing like a lot. Because it's like you know you have people you have a channel that does well on Youtube you have TV producers as you come out of the woodwork. Yeah honestly several one or two emails a week where it's like. Hey let's take what you do on Youtube only. Let's put it on TV. They make less money. I- fewer people will see it and I won't have creative control. Like where do I sign right. So it's like that's that's what's amazing about going out with Kimmel. That's really really terrific collaboration. I think they have a lot of a deep know-how storytelling but also dealing with that works. Yeah that's that's right and also like I was able to get executive producer but even with Jimmy like there's been a few things already that I'm like Jimmy. I think it should be this way. And he's like yeah of of course and he'll send an email and gave -arily it becomes that way right so having human mike orders someone like a champion and it's like that makes it a little bit different so it'll it'll be exciting for me to see how it works but again youtube is my first love. I plan on making my monthly videos still just as much because I planned my now like I have all my videos for twenty twenty like early smokes. Yeah Endurance race very forward thinking tomorrow. I'm I'm filming for my February. Twenty twenty one video. That's a little. I'm going to. JPL because the curiosity or the next launches your I I love my son has a so. So yeah we'll feel mad but yeah I have all played out and so they are in different stages which is why able hopefully to do some bigger stuff. It just takes a long time for some of these builds and yeah and the television show is going to absorb your life like a spun. I I know I know. Is he so sad. Because I people keep promising. That won't be the case but there are people who are incentivized to tell me that interest you more than I trust. It's Ah you're going to have to. You're the only one who's GonNa fight for the space And you're just going to have to kind of find places to take it and actually also build it infrastructures to deal with it. I was a early in mythbusters tenure. I hired my first assistant and to be frank. All the other myth buster. The hosts made fun of me for having an assistant later. They all had since you definitely need help with the infrastructure once you're branching out yeah and like so example what would they do like an example. They'd be able to take care of stuff that some of the more quotidian stuff. That sucks up time than you don't have to do like like you know it's not required that I screw one hundred fifty screws on this thing. They could do research for other stuff other keep things burning. Got It along my attention attention. That's the thing is that the show will just. It's your time it definitely will take up. But it's also that mental energy because every episode is this puzzle just solve. Yeah Yeah Yeah what do you want to happen. What's possible what did you actually get right? I'm terrified I'm fully aware this situation. It's like I have no idea what if I knew what I was citing myself out for. I probably wouldn't have done it but it's just like I need to do it. Oh I have such an important piece of Vegas I rough cut. Well make you WANNA cut yourself. Thank you for bearing me for that first. Rough cut will unhinge you. Because you've made you video. That is a genre that is your it is. You've made them the way you wanted to make them. It's been organically grown up doing that. So that's the specific thing in each video you have a set of invisible algorithms that you hold it up to to see. This show is a whole new beast and it will be its own thing but the first assembly cut is how you all figure out what it's going to be and thus it's not going to be anything it's going to be kind of weird and misplaced split paste and there's going to be strange points in it and you're gonNA feel like we have no idea overdoing I'm really glad you said it because honestly that's probably next time that's my number one on fear because I've done stuff. I did a thing with shark week. LEX We last year with discovery channel and with the same raw footage. They made a cut. And I'm in my youtube video and end up in trouble for saying this but when I watched like what I did and what they did. I'm just like what they did. Feels like typical TV. Like editors are trained for audience right. Yeah suspenseful they build up suspense. At a moment that wasn't suspenseful and it felt artificial to me and I'm just like I'm terrified. I you you know I brought this up like oh I need to have real control over the edit because I think that's part of the special sauce of like what I do the channel like I want to be part of that And I'm terrified. It's GonNa come across as like not my brand and feel like typical TV so the biggest advantage you have is that you self produced all your stuff right so that you understand understand your pace the character that you are a lot of people showing up for their first television show have none of that grandeur and what that all means is when you have a problem problem with the edit. You're not just saying this is wrong. You're going to be coming and going. Here's how we fix this fix this authenticity problem in countless videos over the years. Here's let me do a piece of voice over shoot one more Stinger for this thing and then we'll use this from the first cousin it'll make it saying okay so you'll be presenting the solutions along with the program as opposed to that just doesn't feel right exactly. Yeah I already prepared for this. I was like look. I'm not going to be. I'm really good at working with people. I'm not going to be a micromanager. But I've probably GONNA spend a a lot of time in the Edit Bay on the first one and Jimmy's like do not Apollo it. Don't ever apologize for that. You need to feel proud of this. Is your thing so I was like okay. Good I mean honestly honestly editing most fun part of the whole process really spend time in. I don't but I love I I just I find the the watching it come. I'm to gather shirt and then looking at that rough cut and figuring out ways it can be fixed because like I think the very first you know early on in savage builds olds we just took the first day of building and roughed it out to Kinda show discovery. The way we're thinking about it and it was a great test case because nothing happened it in this assembly because it was like four hours cut down to twenty minutes right but he had all these beats in it were indicative of how we wanted the show to go so we got to kind of allow discovery to see where we were going to go with. The cinematic look specific ways in which we wanted the narrative the problems into your problem solving in pre production. When when so you have a huge leg up in that you've already been you've already? You are a problem solver in this round your brand new just creating more problems. You're actually building right solutions. Yeah no that's good to hear because that is one thing like I still edit all my own videos which people think it's crazy but it's like I like that. I think that's the fun part so it's like so you know I see this thing that youtubers do sometimes. This is like a little bit of a soapbox for me. But it's like they have a little bit of success and they feel like. Oh well the script is I need to scale l. up and I needed now hiring editor and someone behind the camera and someone to write and they need to make it bigger and bigger and it's like for what like like. What is your goal? If that's really what you're going for then you could but it to me it's the equivalent of like cranking up the treadmill and exciting at first. You got to do these things. But at some point the dopamine wears off and now you're sprinting. This really fast pace and like. That's the definition of burnout. When you're running really fast and you're not you're you're putting all this input in and you're not getting the same output? You're getting so I'd like very protective of like I have really small team like I just hired my first full-time person person and like because I like this like I'm protecting that. Little flame of creativity and people like. Oh you should write a book do podcast and go on tour with respect. I know you it currently all three of those things but yes but I'm like I'm like no like a hell. Yes it's like a no for me and and I really just you have a family. Well that's so the four years since I've been doing mythbusters has been a very slow accretion of our core team here which has grown own very slowly but the best part about that is the collaboration right like the tested producer cameraman editor joy finale And I like the. There's so many little beats of the way test videos get edited that grew out of he and I just watching cuts. What are we doing this right right? Each of us bringing ideas is and all of us bringing ideas watching that process rate and it's not just hiring a transactional thing to do it's the collaborates. Very collaborative totally totally. I'm very excited to see if there is if you need look at Your Disposal Council yere announce now the guy who leaves poop on this side of the road. You'd like to add to steal evacuate whatever you need. Whatever you if you need a machine shop you come on over Geigo? Oh right and you're shooting this in the bay area. Yeah because I live up here like you. So yeah the layer here. We got an eight and do that stuff. We'll be up here just to make it easier on me. And then we'll go across the country. They critically in one party record states are lawyers have already. He told US certain states that you need permission from bombard yeah otherwise it's like a felony. It's real it's real crime. Yeah I mean I don't WanNa go to too many details. I will say this year for the glitter bomb. I lowered up pretty hard and got several advice from like to know if I'm crossing housing lines and everything we did even subtle things by the book. So there's ways to do it. You know what's funny about lawyers. Yeah is that you start out a thing like from from the abstract. You're like well we'll just figure out what the rules are. And the answer is really any specific rules. It's more like what is the safest path with us. Market will a bear that someone will then. You're protected as right. It's managing risk but even giving someone to tell you like the right percentages on risk ski right totally because it's lawyers ears incentives misaligned incentives. They're just going to say no to everything you know. Someone said this to me at the beginning of my divorce. Fifteen eighteen years ago Ah they said look the problem about bringing lawyers into it. They have to be brought in but lawyers operate within an adversarial system. Yeah that is. It's not that they want want to do that. That's just how it works. And so it's like this and so it's really hard to shift that perspective and the more adversarial. They are like the longer longer dragged on before they get paid so on mythbusters legal team by beyond productions would sit and watch every single episode all six lawyers for Beyond and they would look doc for any product names responsible within that they'd have to go then and blur they'd be like high fiving each other for spotting. No I know it doesn't mean crazy is crazy. Yeah off camera. Showed you one of my favorite techniques for obscuring a logo. I've totally easy What's he saying about your your projects for this year? I mean it's still blowing my mind that you have twenty twenty all sort of like she. How did did you get a point? But let's say a year ago and we were thinking about twenty twenty. Mike you look back and say these are my dream projects and yeah so I've been making videos. I since two thousand eleven so like nine years and at first there was always the fear that you're gonNA run out of ideas right but what I've found is you always have. I always have six months wants to a years worth of ideas in the notebook that you're only staying in front of so. Yeah it's just I wish I could. If it's like off camera I'll rattle off the people people ever all twelve videos on camera. There's a sense or it's like I worry about this a little bit less now than I did when the channels smaller like someone's going to scoop up sees the ideas get bigger and more complex. I'm more I'll say one because I'm pretty confident they'd be WanNa see the the Mark Rober implementation of idea but hopefully you lose if you're not the first to do. It's harder to me very funny traveling around the country with Michael Michael Stevens because the number of I mean obviously the over twenty five sat was my crowd and the under twenty five crowd very specific split but the there was a clear feeling from all the teenagers that loved Michael Stevens that they all thought he had a super easy job. They're all like man. He's Reagan at work and Michael Like in his. QNA would be like man. I'm just like you. I just work a lot harder. He didn't say at that arrogantly. Don't want to put words in his mouth. But I've met a few people who work as hard as Michael Steele a mask thing now they do like polls for kids in school and it's like what do you WanNa be when you grow up and it's like now now you tuber is above astronaut. Like me I want to get like not in China though I WANNA get self righteous judge that but then I'm like hold up. I quit my dream. Job at NASA makes you literally literally the embodiment of that pool. That gets everyone. I'm pissed off that's hilarious. I'll tell you this is likely my march video is I'm making a robot that will set up a room full of Domino's Mike and Jim full of domino's so you you all turn off the lights. You come back in the morning and it's like the gym is so Rhumba that yes all of my first thought was room but to this is why this has been an idea on my bucket list for like thirty two or three years and I've tried to go at this like several times. The problem with the Rumer give too much but it doesn't scale right right scaling and put hundreds of pounds of Shit into it to keep going back and ghetto back. It just does not which are really difficult. Engineering challenges very different something that can drive weighing one hundred and fifty pounds and then drive weighing one hundred pounds less than that less than that and the precision. We need an like loading it like. How'd you load huge problem in and of itself you know Number File Matt? Parker was here and he'll be back again in January but he was talking about flipping a coin Wayne Ten thousand times which he did to his family's great consternation when we but we were talking about building a machine that could flip a coin one hundred thousand times and I spent several days diagramming the grabbing it out only to conclude this is a gigantic problem. This is really hard to solve something. They could flip a coin and then read its value and then recirculating circulate and flip that coin again. Just that that's interesting. You almost WANNA do like is it cheating to have it like colored so like optically you could say. Hey that's not that's not at all but that's a great idea. Yeah because then because otherwise. It's harder to read the difference between them. Where do you go get it and how do you write like every second you lose in the flip? It's like another cow calf. I'm understanding now. More has to happen quickly. Yeah coin has to be gotten to. You could do him coin. It doesn't doesn't you could probably do it with multiple coins but that doesn't necessarily so it's it's the scale of it. Even I'm guilty. This would you told me that I was like I could do that in the morning. It was like all right I can. So here's the one more wrinkle. Is that when mad did it. He wanted defined out. How often it did heads or tails at ten thousand flips a British pound coin which is my favorite coin actually landed on its edge? Fourteen Times out of ten thousand flaps. So he's flipping. It went onto a table or something. I see. That's what landed on it's much more annoying. Teenagers Catching it. So the machine I build I would build would have to believable to accommodate that we try it with nickel and see if a nickel lands on. Saturday it's going to be less than fourteen out of ten thousand. Yeah but we still have to accommodate. Wait for it so I love. This idea was what was the point of him doing this thing just to show to show empirically the split but also to see how to look look at literally edge cases literally. That's amazing. Yeah so that's that's the thing with this one. I built a one. Bill was like a DART board. That gets a bullseye. Every time he's just like Vicodin motion capture system tracks the DART ORD moves and like four hundred milliseconds and up to this point that I've been like my most complex bill but honestly that amazingly even though that seems I think more complex to people this domino thing is several times up to an order of magnitude more complex because of the scale. And that's the challenge. I need to figure out for the because they have little like Fisher price toys. You like twenty dominance in a row and sometimes you're like pre sensitive to comments like like I have this toy when I was like already matter helpful. Sometimes they have that sensitivity. Because you know how to frame the video to get ahead of that right but obvious kind of yeah so I I just I now. I'm sort of having the Spencer picturing you at a cocktail party with a bunch of older adults. Saying what do you do you saying I'm youtuber. They're thinking well that's really cute. Young Man Yeah. What are you going to do for a real job? Yeah and then I imagined picture in my head you telling them what you make from youtube videos and watching watching their jaws hit the ground. It's I don't go to that. Of course of course swinger Dixon around the state. You're absolutely right like it's such an issue. You get pat on the head by adults not an adult. No no no no no. You're this is such a true thing and this is like a homeless one of the reasons for doing. TV sadly is because when you say they like a youtube like Oh that's adorable. My grandson has a youtube channel. And there's no non Dushi way to defend yourself in that position because they're like no no no. It's like different different. I get like there's this nothing you your esteem communicator Yeah I think like yeah generally if someone asked me on an airplane. I'll just be like I do some science communication. Yeah I won't even I mean sometimes if it gets into it I'll say it but like it's such a complicated thing to explain without sounding lame and it's a very it's a it's a unless you're talking to someone conversational trees he's grow out of just the but that's actually come back once. I said that to dude on a plane who's sitting next to me and it's like I feel obligated to ask me a follow up question if I say like oh I make video so I was like oh I just do like some science stuff and that was it and then a couple of people came up and it seemed me on a flight and then after that he's like a whole new. Maybe in early and mythbusters I was asked to be Captain Nemo for the Coney Island Mermaid parade how they opened the beach at far rockaway every year in New York City and Patty Darville of sweet lady Dr Banville Fame Cat Stevens Song and she was on a it was the Dennis leary firefighting show. It's not burn me. Rescue me rescue me anyway. Probably Darville sitting in this rickshaw with me being dragged through New York as part of the Burr made parade and when people keep coming up to me at a certain point and this is like third season buster. She was like what the House that show again. You're now care exactly. You care exactly so I'm assuming you're on Kimmel recently only like two or three weeks ago. Yeah what did you do on the show. We announce Oh this is my first time being on the couch. Yeah yeah so that was. It's fun it's a lot less work it turns out to be. You never get to sit on the couch. Yeah normally the Times I've been on before I have a bit. You always just cooks cash. So this is part of it was I'd wanted to come on earlier to. DT Tree stuff done the countries to talk about it so part of it he. I got to talk about team trees because that was right as we crossed the finish line and then we also also got to talk about the show announcing plus glitter bomb. So it's like those three things we kinda hit that's accessible. It was really fun it was cool. I have only been on Kimmel show once he slapped me in the face. Oh we were doing a slow mo shot him smacking me in the face today. This is very funny. Bit Wear We're getting ready to go. Oh in the rehearsal and we're chatting about the White House Press Correspondents Center because the year he hosted it was the year I got to actually go and we chatted about that for a second and then we're like we're now the show's going because you know it's like a freight chain so now the show is going they jamie does this thing. And then it's time for Jimmy smack me and and you can see it dawn on his face that he's actually about to assault me and very sweetly Jimmy goes. I'm sorry that's cool man. He's like here. We go hit that. He did not as hard as Jamie Smack was much harder. That's amazing yeah he is. He's exactly as average like I don't know you have experienced meeting people like that a lot more than I do and I'm sure her summer like as advertised in some like he's kind of a jerk. It's a mixed bag Jimmy though. He's like the real exactly what you could like walking up to his office office and stuff. He knows all the security guards. He's he's talking about their families he's he's just like the real deal. The thing I liked was the White House. Press correspondent center. Dinner is totally surreal. It's totally bizarre. The number of weird famous people from all these different avenues the world. And when I said to him you know I was there when you hosted it. He was like Oh oh cool and then you could see him. Think about it and he goes wasn't weird. That's exactly right. It's totally weird. Yeah I took took a picture with Rick Santorum fans. Yeah Person. Toro's handsome really. I didn't expect that but Christmas charisma. We took a picture and his pre his kids in his. Apparently his kids were obsessed with mythbusters. which is like I disagree with this politics politics? That's not that's not bad. Watch the show. And then just before the picture I told him I was diametrically opposed to everything and he went great and we took a picture. So you're just starting pre production now So you're starting to outline what you WANNA do. Starting to think about the possible are you are you. Are there items on your bucket list that you never thought you'd have the budget to do that. You're now getting to explore. Yeah there's like like again. I'm probably a lot of trouble for this but there's one of the things we're going to be like I'm going to kind. It'd be like Ashton Kutcher and punked where he's like. We're going to have like a winnebago of sweet justice where it will follow US wherever the prank is GonNa be the it'll be there and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA make it look like the widow from space balls like really run down go inside. It's going to be like Super Pin now and Super Rad astronaut chairs and a wall of TV's liquorice dispensers from the roof. You push a button. A racist pieces catapult puts it right in my mouth. They just seem so awesome. That's kind of like I. That's I wouldn't get to do that. It's almost like a set. It's almost something like that and I'm going to work with like like production. Or what do you call the people who like set designers and we'll like storyboards stuff so that's GonNa be like fun that's fabulous. I mean this is such an extension of what you do anything. I wouldn't this be cool if they're totally and on my youtube channel. I probably wouldn't like go to that extremer. I tend to think so big so this will just be a fun. Experience means for me to like. See what it's like when you have like a team at your disposal and really really good creative people to like help you collaborate with like. That's the hard I'm pretty excited about. I'll bet yeah even though I won't be sleeping six months like people like living off red ball. Yeah it's definitely amongst existence existence and advice. Yes please the moment you've finished shooting that's also. Why the first rough cut usually really unhinges you? Because you're either in the mid production or you've just wrapped your brains kind of spongy right that like months after production give yourself a lot of leeway way to decompress after the fire hose of production When I finished mythbusters Patrick Brewster told me that I was going to become unhinged and she was like I was on the show for six years and when I stopped like the whole world's changed and I wasn't ready for and so this one production cycle but still at the end of it? You're going to be like so like plan a trip of give yourself some time off work for mythbusters then was like how. How many months were you on and then off? It was is nonstop three months on two weeks off three months on two weeks off for fourteen years and what to see. How much is how many months this is a season like six months who knows? Discovery doesn't air seasons like twenty episodes of blight then won as many as they can get obviously more is better but like we just shot. Basically that was the most. We could shoot right three months on two weeks off was what Jamie and I could do without dying and we built a show around that we made. As many episodes we could per year on that SCO shooting about forty two weeks a year. That's crazy that's crazy. That's crazy crazy. Okay it was okay in our defense. We kept banker's hours. We were home by six o'clock. That's how that's how I survived. Yeah long-term through freight train because he filmed it up here. Rated Commute was ten minutes for both. That's great and so that's what made it sane yet because it wasn't sixty weeks it wasn't fifteen hour days it was. It was reasonable right that was based on all sorts of different factors kind of sculpted an adjusted and we had the luxury of a show that like had great ratings for over a decade. Yeah there's a lot of room to perfect the model. Can I just say by the way and yeah I know you hear this. All the time stops moving the needle but yeah that show is certainly the point. I want to drive home is like you. You inspired so many people myself included a lot of what I do is kind of has a mythbusters angle to it and what I think is so interesting like you're not like what you did. There wasn't just inspiring firing people like one to one but now I'm turning around and I'm inspiring Mike the next generation right. So it's like this concept of like you never know like to me like success S.. The dividend success to me is like what is your what's the net delta of like how much the world is better because influenced and there's people who are really rich who by the district successful. They're like by absolutely right. Got No totally. There's a few in potentially in high positions of power. I duNNo. No no no. You're reminding me of the Guy I met at Ted who has like a five thousand square foot shop just to himself because he cashed out of like dot com thing and made millions and has five thousand square feet of tools that he doesn't know how to use an almost never uses rates anyways. That's a long way of saying. I think what what you've done is really cool. You'll never really know the true impact but like it could go on for generations and like hundreds of years always moves the needle. You never when when you're doing your thing at your best you're not thinking about how it will land. You're thinking about the story you want it all and the structure of that but you're never trying to like get Elicit a specific response out of people's when you get a really good one as you know yourself man every single time someone tells you moved the needle for them. It's powerful well. It's it's a humbling. Yeah Yeah so thank you okay. I love what you do and I love the way you do it. I've super frigging excited about this show and seriously asleep anyway. I can help okay either with advice or okay. We're excellent to know is any. Yeah I think people who violate social norms. Beware Request Dudes who talk on their cell phones and public and women do it too but really it's so much more dudes especially here in the mission district. Could we workshop at real quick. Yeah so what do you think so. So people who is on a subway is this walking down the street a a few weeks ago at my local coffee shop ritual. There's a guy literally you know how you're on the phone you're on your headphones walking around your apartment doing that. This guy was in talking at this volume in a coffee shop going. I don't know second funding round table with more money so I would want so I love the idea of people actually taking down people's personal information and then calling them. Oh okay so. But that's also kind of unhinged unhinged. My friend a friend of mine was behind. A real douchebag had a at the inglorious bastards movie screening with Tarantino here and he's is behind this guy and he was watching this guy. I'm sorry I'm going to derail his first. He's watching this guy chat with his friends but constantly tweeting on twitter sure and my friends started following on twitter and saw that what he was doing was every time someone had a good joke. He tweeted as its own watching him do. Ah for so my friend like at a certain point was able to figure out because the guy was super insecure. Not Secure his security protocols were terrible at one point he gave out his phone number and so my friend wrote it down and a week later usually the guys that are like a starbucks and he tweets about being at starbucks and I'm like we're GONNA screenplay and my friend was like that guy so he called that starbucks and he was like. Hey so and so there. I'm looking for a friend of mine. He's on laptop he's. He's probably wearing this baseball cap and they went and got him and he came over to the phone. It's like hello and my friend went. Yes you're a Douche man in Hong so that's more extreme than I think you should get. What if you what if you could beam their own conversation back to them later of people who do the the mind people or are they hanging around people who are on their phones and the list and then they engage like they're on their phone to and they they respond to them as if they're having conversation Asian? Oh that's funny right next to next to like you see them realize over time. That's funny are you talking to me on the phone. That's good. That probably wouldn't on the phone. He's just trying to Mike Flex Go. Let's close the deal for only airplanes too so it would be great if after their call. They're listening and it sounds sounds like music or radio. That's actually their own conversation. Being played back to them. Yeah that's good. You could do like maybe a speech jammer going back to or have you seen those Prague's bigger bigger hilarious. Where maybe you follow this guy and where he's at later you're like yeah I'll fight you? Yeah Yeah Yeah I'm down at third and fourth. I'm wearing a red shirt and white hat. Yeah bring it just I. And that's what the other guys that's really allers. Could also so you can't build at. You can't use active jammers in the United States. Oh really has no speech jam spears. You can't use an active radio and United States but a passive radio jammer. Suppose someone's runs out in public talking on the phone and get people moving up creative. Basically cuts out basically bring screens near him. Events satisfied that does sound slight like yeah. I'm sure comments will be filled with suggestion. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah other violations of we'll take him. I think we're actually going to put out like we have a bunch that we're doing but I think the beauty of this is it this resonates with so many people kinda like with mythbusters. Like what would you want to put that call out. Of course. This is the same from twitter. What what what bothers you the most and let me get like the vigilante justice for we'll include links to all your social in the comments below so people can go and tag you are at work? Yeah what a pleasure to have this I no. You don't need anything more on your plate but I'm just going to say we got to build something together. Okay so twenty twenty. Let's build something. The deal awesome official. Okay initial shock. You heard it here first next week.

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I learn how to stay healthy while traveling, featuring Kyle from Health Simple Radio Podcast

The Marvin Chronicles

1:03:25 hr | 2 years ago

I learn how to stay healthy while traveling, featuring Kyle from Health Simple Radio Podcast

"So welcome to another episode of the marvin chronicles today. We're in for a treat. It's going to be my first guest. His name is kyle. He runs the health simple radio podcast and he is a remote here in bali from toronto and it was a great interview is about an hour long. We talked about health and fitness different goals and services. He provides If you want to support this show the martian chronicles I'll link below the equipment. I use and if you're interested in doing a website i suggest doing blue host. I'll also have that link below without further ado here. Is the episode all right today. We're joined by kyle from toronto kyle. Tell us about yourself. Yeah for sure so. Thanks for having me on your podcast first of all. My name is rita. I'm an online health coach and founder of a company called health simple and basically it's a digital wellness channel that attempts to teach people how to live healthy happy and stress free. So there's a lot of that out there. I know. But i really just try to simplify dumb it down so that anyone without a science background without who went to school for this kind of stuff can still understand it and make it practical implemented on a daily basis. So that's kind of where mad. I also have a podcast myself called. How simple radio. Fantastic and what. What did you do before this. Or what inspired you to get in this in this space. Yeah good question before this. I was actually in sales for about five years. I worked for a medical research company in concussion. So we trained therapists. How to treat manage concussion Which is quite important. Especially north america football and and american football. Guess hockey. but i've been on a health journey for for shit probably ten years now at least I went to school for health and fitness and then continued went to university for so that was kind of what what started out. I did a little bit of personal training at the time. But you know it wasn't really my calling But as i as i worked as a business professional worked in sales kind of went from startup to kind of a corporate job at it started to get quite stressful. And so i really wanted to figure out how to to manage my stress better and from the research. I did from everything i looked into. It was all about optimizing your health. So whether it's your nutrition your exercise your sleep. Their stress management techniques. Know all these different things that you can do to sort of bio hack your health to allow you to manage stress better and it worked really well for me to be. It'd be allowed me to become quite successful and sales. And i just thought you know what i want to be able to teach this to others and that sort of where how simple started from from that. I got into the health coaching. So i can help people one on one and now i absolutely enjoy love. What i'm doing and feel fantastic and down here in bali. So i'm just going with the punches rolling with it and things are working out quite well so far. That sounds amazing. That sounds of mazing. Kyle and i can definitely relate to that I've talked about other episodes about working in corporate sales and trying to find kind of a balance to your life. And i applaud you because basically it sound like. You're trying to do it while you're working and as anybody knows it's that's basically like your side-hustle as People that like gary say like you. You do a fulltime day and then you have to devote all this time to build a business build the mindset and and learn about it from the very beginning Could you tell us about like one thing that that really changed how you look at it or affected you an example for me was i read a book called the miracle morning and talked about your the two. It's a great book and talks about the power of waking up early. Was there anything for you. That really set the tone so it's funny. There's two things. I think that really did for me. I was when the company that i was working for and sales when i first started as the first employee that started there so it was it was straight up startup. We were in an attic above a clinic. A cairo clinic. And we took it from that to this international online company. And so i got. I got to travel quite a bit from all around the us. But then i got to travel to australia. And so i was there for three weeks. I think it was maybe was a month and went to new for about ten days and was like this is amazing. The first time ever been to the other side of the world. And i just thought i gotta figure out a way that i could make this my life. I wanna be in the sun. I wanna be surfing. I want to you know. Just meet so many people that are amazing. When you travel and i thought you know this is what life is about not sitting in toronto in an office and you know on the phone so that kind of started for me. Then i got a hold of the book. The four hour workweek by tim ferriss And i kind of realized that. You know the the knowledge that i had and i could start sharing. I do that from anywhere in the world. and so that book was really. What got me to go. okay. I gotta i gotta put a plan in place and i can leave my sales job leave my corporate life and angola of the digital nomad life so it was actually that book that That got me started on that. That's a that's a fantastic book. I think it's almost required reading. Yeah if you if you plan to work remotely and it's definitely something i've read and i think actually what's great about that book is you can pick it up again which i do and actually do a lot of audiobooks and so i'll pick it up and listen and there's always like a tidbit like you miss. Oh there's something there. And that's amazing. I i'm a so kyle newsom the questions before by didn't have an answer them to me and i didn't expect that answer because travel for me is so important. It is for a lot of people here in bali. And i can tell you once you leave your country or comfort zone and you see what else is outside. It gives you a different perspective. Because you're you're in this kind of bubble where you're always where there's a lot of expectations and you're always trying to keep up or impress other people and then you come to places like new zealand australia. Bali where we're at right now and then you realize there's more to life and it's hard to realize that when you're not here yeah i agree and the thing for me. Everyone always asks you know when i travel or even just got here you know. What's bali lake house. How is it there. And the first thing i always say is the people are absolutely amazing right. And that's what always makes it for me. That's what it was a new zealand. You just meet people from all around the world which is just super interesting to me. I love accidents. I love listening to people's accents but But the people you meet especially here in bali there so like minded you know everyone here not everyone but most people here are trying to to be something. They're trying to accomplish something You know they have goals that they're trying to achieve and i love surrounding myself with those type of people because that's the type of person i am and yeah you get that in in toronto where i was but people have different plans and and it's not so much that i think when you're in a big city so you know to come here of course the island's beautiful. The weather's great they're surfing which is all bonus but for me. The best part is just the people that you meet absolutely. I absolutely do that. And that's one of the reasons why i came back to bali left in august of two thousand eighteen. I was here for three months. And i was on my yearlong. I'm i'm done bali's great onto the next and then every day after that was like i miss bali. I miss bali and we actually before we started recording. I actually Told i told them about like the different people here. There's definitely people here that are. They're hyper focused. Hyper focused and there's people that say they are. And i'm i'm still in the process of distinguishing between the two. I can tell you. There's a lot of distractions here. Bali and i love them and they're always there. I lived in las vegas. So i understand how what distractions Do to you what they can do. But what's the amazing part is if you meet. People that are hyper focused and can still produce here in bali. Then they're they're solid people because There's always it's always saturday somewhere here. And there's always a nice speech. And i joke and the though families listening to this but i joke sometimes like chengdu as stands for like no bras because there's always beautiful women everywhere and they're nice and kind. I don't want to just use that. I don't wanna be thought of as the guy it's creepy do just hanging out here for the girls but there's just a beautiful people and i came from san diego as well where people are focused on their health An appearance and things like that. So i kind of feel that vibe as well and this goes in our segue about impressions before i asked you the question. I just want to kind of set the table here. So we're in my villa and again like i always say all my podcast trying to get this more professional. So kyle's my first guest which i'm super excited. He's been super patient with me with the setup. I am not locked up in my room. Like i usually am an dark space. We're actually sitting in the dining room overlooking the pool. Two gig is a little bit of flavor if you've ever gone mainstream there's definitely pictures of the pool. Actually there's a picture of beautiful dutch roommate in the pool. If that if you ever want to see that. But i just want to set the tone. So first impressions asked i wanna ask you. Did it live up to expectations and the second question is what surprised you the most the bali bali respective of only been here for about a week and a half now and i did a lot of research before i came out i originally was going to go to the philippines and then i kind of i just knew i want to go to sell these asia but i wasn't sure where after research i found. Bali seemed like the place to be especially changdu for what i was looking for And and to be honest. It's not only met my expectations. But it's far beyond like i said the people are amazing places absolutely beautiful. The food is just so good everywhere you go which obviously is not. It's not easy to find good food when you're traveling quite often but here it's every stop every corner. There's good healthy food so for me. It's it's exactly what i wanted if not more. Oh that's exciting but in terms anything that surprise you good or bad anything anything that has i'm gonna i'm gonna put him on the spot and if there isn't we'll move on i to the roads the distance of the scooters anything so the first day i got here i didn't really realize that was a big thing. I've never skied before. You don't really do that in canada. There's a lot of snow for a lot of the time. So i actually went for walks and actually laura Had messed me and told me to go to create which this lunch place and it wasn't too far. It's about twenty five minute. Walk from from where i'm staying so i said okay i'll i'll go there so i got up and i and i walked there one. It was insanely hot so i was just drenched but to everyone honking at me telling me to get out of the way trying to shortcut and like people are like almost an accident because of the i guess i didn't know i figured people would walk. Isn't that normal. But no like on my way home. I was like i'm getting the scooter. Ace app because that's just what everyone does here. But i love the scoring so much fun but that's kind of my biggest surprise. I think that that is that was that was one of the many surprises i had when i first moved to chiang and chengdu and i was gonna say chiang mai for some reason but anyways young. I actually was anti scooter. When i was here the summer and it does not play into my favor. It is very expensive. If you don't get a scooter can tell you that right now. I actually got a bicycle and it worked out real well. Because you'd get the exercise but i was able to take lessons in pie in thailand and just feel really comfortable with it. I would definitely recommend if you're coming out to southeast asia. It being bali or anywhere else Learning how to scooter as especially in your home country is probably huge benefit. I was always really nervous here in bali because there is definitely a rhythm is definitely the and if you're from a western country you usually drive on the right side here you drive on the left side I'm i'm so customer. Driving on the left side. I get nervous when i go back to the us. Because i'm always like all right. It's the right side marvin but Yeah that's definitely A good surprise. I could story. So let's get into like the nitty-gritty so i asked him to come out here. And because i wanted advice i said and i you know you should. You should when you get advice or have goals you should have. You should get them repeated to yourself so having on the podcast really helps me out. Because then anytime. I forget what he. He told me. I could just play this episode so it works out for the both of us so podcasting beautiful it is. It's a beautiful thing and And so so. What's happening with me so if you don't really know i'm headed to the philippines or i've already been to the philippines depending on when you're listening to this to the philippines for the next month of what i call fast travel. I defined fast travel as you're traveling place to place every every two three days. I'm going to be doing that for a month. I am meeting some friends. So which which. Kind of soften the landing a bit. And i'm going from manila to borokai to sheer go to bowl whole to el nido. And and then. After that for some reason i to book a seventeen day tour in vietnam so i'm doing it back to back and part of the reason for that as well as look bali's in southeast asia but it's not that close to thailand and vietnam. It's still. It's like a four hour plus flight depending on what part the southeast asia you want to go to if you're interested in going to kuala lumpur or singapore or like jakarta. That's still in indonesia. You're in really good shape in terms of time if you want to go to perth australia. You're in pretty good shape there. But if you're on that side of southeast asia it's it's a much much more expensive or cost effective. Try to stay on that side and see everything you can. So the reason i brought him again is because. I'm doing the fast travel. I've done the fast travel. I would say this the last time. I think i'll ever do travel again. And the reason being is that. I went to the islands east islands and thailand september. I went to cambodia. And i went to japan and somebody in their mid to late thirties. health and fitness has become very crucial. I would say that you get away with a lot. In your twenties you get away with in many ways you get away with having a bad night of drinking you get away with a bad week of eating you get a bad you get away with a bad year of eating and you get away with it physically and you get away with it with your vanity. Usually usually doesn't come crawling out you. But i can tell you anything i eat. I'm like oh this is probably not going to end. Well and i've really cut back on my drinking and it's important for me to have to feel good all the time i i can't really trade the one night of heavy drinking for the three days. It'll take me to repair myself from that but as somebody who's traveling and obviously you've come here from toronto. What is your recommendations what you can do what to avoid wonderful question. Okay so i it kind of depends on. What exactly goals are. i mean. Health is a very general concepts so is it it wanting to stay fit and lean wanting to stay healthy as good gut health. You know these things you kind of have to decide ahead of time. You know what it is that your goal is when you're trying to go when you go. Sorry but it really comes down to a few different specific components to health so one is obviously your nutrition. We know that this is important. Too is exercise and keeping that consistent. We know that that's important but we often miss. Is things like sleep in. Especially when you're traveling sleep tends to get completely out of whack but the role of sleep in your health is probably more important than what you're eating then you're exercising. Anything else. sleep is is by far one of the most important things you'll have for weight loss for over health for everything. So i always make that a priority and try to focus on that. The other thing is is stress. Travelling can be stressful or cannot be depending on the type of person you are. I have no stress here in chengdu at the moment. But when you're traveling you gotta go in airports and that stress can be an issue so you really need to then focus on trying to manage that as well and a lot of times when people get stressed they just kinda let it take over their day they end up binge eating drinking just kind of not getting out of bed not waking up early all these kinds of things getting out of their normal routine and so stress is something that i work on big time with my clients because stress is something that you can you can manage if you just have that mindset so when you know that stress is coming on take a step back take a couple of deep breaths maybe walk yourself through y you're stressed is it even worth being stressed. There's so many things that you can do to sort of get rid of that and then not let it take over the rest of your day. That's going to set you up then. Sleep well eat. Well still get to the gym all these kind of things so really want to focus on balancing consistency between these four thinks so if we want we can kind of break down each one and dive into it. So we'll start. We'll start with exercise because this is the one thing i think you know. Most people our age so our ages in these. I'm not quite thirty. But i'm close But i think we we like to do and we're starting to have that be consistent in our lifestyle which is great. So when you're traveling you know you just gotta make sure to find time in prioritize. It actually whatever it is that you gotta do whether it's you know whether you can find a gym and if not go to the just outside have a yoga mat and do some movement in your house. You don't have to do a full at work every time it's more important than you just move. The humans are meant to move. Were not meant to sit there all day. Which especially if you're a digital nomad. Who's on your computer all day. You're doing a lot of sitting. You're not doing a lot of moving. This is not only bad for weight. Loss it's bad for your joints all of a sudden you start to get achey pain when you're even when you're in your thirties. You can start to feel that. I'm sure you've had that before. So movement is important and so just finding time daily if you can to get some sort of movement in my favorite type of exercise when traveling And probably the best bang for your buck for health and for for weight loss and just staying lean is resistance training. I know everyone wants to do the whole cardio thing. And yeah that's great but building muscle or toning. Your muscles is one of the most important things you can do for your health. And i'll tell you why one increases your metabolic rate so even if you're sitting on a plane day or you're sitting on your computer. You're still burning calories a lot more than you would if you didn't have as much muscle and it doesn't mean that you'll be big and bulky. It just means that you've got to be strong and intoned it also helps you. Metabolize carbohydrates better so carbs. Especially when you're on an island is something that you eat a lot of potatoes and rice and fruits and whatever else if you don't have a lot of muscle you don't tend to metabolize them very well and so then you have a greater insulin. Response you store it as fat so if you have muscle you can break down and use carbs a lot better so you really wanna make sure that you're focusing on building muscle. Whatever your goal is and then it also helps resistance training to just keep your joints healthy. You moving functionally so that you're not you know all of a sudden getting knee injuries and getting all this pains that you can't even exercise so resistance. Training for me is always the most important no matter what the goal is for my clients. That's the first thing that i put them. Put them on. And then if you want to do cardio or whatever else afterwards shirk go for it But you know three days minimum of full-body resistance training and That'll keep you nice and solid and so when you say resistance rating while you travel. Are you saying find a gym do weights. Are you saying us resistance bands. So you can do either. You can also do body weight stuff can. Sex is great so pushups a tree can pull ups on. You can do some rose if you have a bar you can bodyweight squats There's a lot you can do just body weight wise but if you've got bands i travel with bands always because you can do a lot with them. They're very functional. So i do that and then if you can find a gym then throwing the weight and lift heavy if if you got the opportunity to but you can always find something something to do resistance training wise for sure okay fantastic so the next after resistance training would be the next be nutrition and of course this is important especially traveling you know depending where you are for the most part anywhere you go. Most food is is. There's tons of sugar. There's tons of unhealthy fats. Like vegetables or seed oils. What they're actually called deep fried. You look confused on the seed oil thing back there not yet. I'm i'm just surprised. I mentioned before was that it's amazing. How sugar sugars everywhere here. And it's like it's like avoiding it just avoiding it so so hard. It's so incredibly hard here. It is the best way to avoid anything that just said. So you're you know you're unhealthy seed your your sugar. Your deep fried foods just real whole foods. That's the most important thing everyone wants to go. Okay should he kito. Should i do this. Should i do that. Intermittent fast should have a high carb diet. You know what is it and the most important thing you can do eat real food you can just eat. Real food doesn't matter the amount of carbs or the amount of fat for the most part to stay healthy. You'll be okay. Obviously if you want to optimize and maybe get super lean or or you know have the cognitive benefits of kito since then sure you can. You can play with your mac os but for the most part. Eat whole foods so your vegetables fruits your meat. If you eat meat and fish you can have eggs beans legumes. All these different things. This is is what is going to keep your insulin levels low. So it's going to keep your hormones balanced and keep you in a good mood. It's gonna keep you can keep your gut healthy. So that's the most important thing when you get into packaged foods. Even if they're marketed to be healthy or maybe they're organic packaged foods. Like some sort of organic chip. Forget cracker that. I see all these people eating. They're covered in sugar. They're covered in in chemicals and preservatives. And all these things that that you know aren't only gonna make you gain weight but also we're gonna affect your gut and especially when you're traveling and southeast asia. You want your gut to be as healthy as possible. So get your veggies fruit. If you like that to meet eggs everything whole foods is going to be your most important thing that you can possibly do. Gotcha has there's a common occurrence year. He hasn't been here very long. It's called bali bali. We're just out for a day or two or three. Has that affected you have you. Have you successfully avoided it so far. I've successfully avoided it. I've i've basically cooked all my own meals pretty much. Since i've been here except for a couple of times i have gone out. I like to make them meals. Because i know what ingredients are in it So that's one thing. I typically with clients is teach them how to cook their own meals instead of going out because people love to go out to eat and especially here and that's fine. There's still a lot of good places to get good food here but so in part because of eight quite well. I've had a lot of vegetables. But also i do supplement as well so. There's a few different supplements that i'd recommend you bring with you. If you're traveling one is oil. This one is super important. Because it's a natural antibiotic so instead of going to the doctors and getting an antibiotic it's gonna wipe out your entire stomach and just basically ruined your got. You can have oregano oil. And what is when. I first got here. I would just put a little tiny bit of a protein shake or my bowl every single day. So you don't want to do too much. Because it will act zimmer to any biotic and take a lot of the bacteria and gut but it's sort of just like if i had any issues because every once in a while the first couple of days here i feel a little bit of a throat issue. Go my going to get sick. You know so you just added a little bit of that and it's gone within within a few hours not even a day so Oregano oil. I think is important. And if you get sick you can use a lot of that and that will really help fish oils. If you're not eating fish. Fish oil is great. I've got krill. Oil that i brought have that every single day anti inflammatory great for cognitive benefits. So if you're a digital nomad you want that the other one that i've recently started using is is ratio mushroom extract so so mushrooms are are really good for your immune system and now you can get some good organic racy mushroom extract from different companies. And so you take one pill of it or really wanna eat it because it doesn't taste the greatest but you take a pill of at a day and it really helps to again build your immune system so if you do catch the ball belly or you happen to drink some of the water and get some of that bad bacteria in your gut. These supplements are going to help you. Fight it and get past it so building your immune system is a super super important to stay healthy here. I'm glad to hear that. I actually i brought with me. Fish oil and take that. I do Bca's and then i also bring melatonin. Okay knifer the for the sleep which which brings us into our next point but so melatonin is a sort of it can be useful but remember. It's a supplement. So the the problem is that people tend to take melatonin every single day and the problem here is that now. Your your your brain or your body isn't going to make as much melatonin as it should because it doesn't need to because you're supplementing so now you have to rely on it. It's kind of like taking. You know sleeping pills right so but not as bad. Of course so melatonin can be useful. Say you're going on a plane or you know there's jetlag things like that you can use it then if you're having struggle if you're having problems sleeping but i like to practice good sleep hygiene so that you can train your body to sleep well regardless of what's going on so just to talk about sleep real quick here. Your body needs at least seven hours of sleep for optimal recovery. Okay so this is when you're sleeping your body rejuvenates itself and your brain. It recycles at cells. That are that are no longer working or kind of old and need to be fixed. It's you know allows for recovery for your muscles it allows for your your brain to start filing all the different memories and information that you process from that day it also bounces off your hormones. So sleep is super important yet. Most people in the world actually don't get enough sleep. you know. most people are sleeping. Maybe six hours a night. Which when that if you're below six hours pretty much. All the benefits of sleep started significantly declined below six hours. So you know just to give a couple examples. Most of your growth hormone is created when you're sleeping so if you're trying to build muscle which we know how important that is because i just said that then. You need sleep in order to do that if you when you get enough sleep. Your there's hormone ghrelin leptin k. Gretl in is what makes you feel hungry. Okay and leptin is what makes you feel full when you don't get enough sleep sleep deprivation your grell and is significantly increased so all of a sudden. You're hungry all the time. And you're leptons decreased so it takes more food for you to get full so now you're in this like this downward spiral where you're always hungry. But you need to eat so much more food in order to get full this. What sleep can do to you so you need to make sure that you're getting enough sleep. And then it also helps with insulin resistant. So you'll you'll manage metabolize your nutrients a lot better. You sleep better so super important few ways to improve your sleep. One is food timing so trying to not eat within. I usually recommend to three hours before. You're going to go to sleep reason for this. Is that when you eat your sort of rev up your digestive system and you tell your body that it's not sleep time and you're not going to create as much melatonin so you sort of depressed that that production so i usually eat you know three hours at least before i'm going to go to bed. Some people can get away with with closer just depends on the individual but try to the other thing is blue light and this is important for for digital nomads. For sure blue light is blake comes from the sun right and it's what wakes us up. It's what gives us energy throughout the day and makes us active throughout the day but when the sun goes down. And there's no more blue light that's when your body starts to produce melatonin and prepare for bedtime. Here's the issue your cell phone your ipad your your computer your tv your lights in your home they all have blue light so if those are on if you're on your phone all the time then you're tricking your brain into thinking that it's still daytime so now you're again depressing the amount of melatonin that's going to be produced so this is why a lot of people need to use melatonin so i recommend throw your all your devices on night mode. They all have settings now. Because of the research on this. You can turn your lights. That are in the In the ceiling turn those off and just use like lamps red lights. You can get blue blocking glasses. Try to limit the the blue light as much as possible as the sun goes down and then afterwards so those are the two most important things to improve your sleep and do you Do you step away from your i. i'm guilty. There's a reason why i'm asking these questions. I'm guilty of fallen basically falling asleep with my phone. I one of the things here is. I am so grateful every day. And i enjoy bali so much and i try to take in every moment. It's hard for me sometimes and actually some of my villa mates for other reasons. I don't know why we all have. We do all have trouble sleeping. There's always this this excitement here for me. I'm always trying to push myself to to edit more to do more and some all my phone a lot right before going to do you step away from your phone. I i tell my clients to do i do it. Not so much because i'm the same right. I always want to be working. And i i'll work late. I do keep the phone away from me. When i'm sleeping so i'll put it as far across the room as i can Because if i don't i'll wake up and start looking at things. Because i'm i'm from toronto and when i'm sleeping is when everyone's up posting on instagram and all our chat in the group chat so it is quite difficult but what i do is My phone is night mode always as the sun goes down. My phone screen on my phone turns orange so it gets rid of the blue light same with my laptop. It turns orange if you're editing if you're a graphic designer it's not ideal but you know it helps so i definitely do that. I also i journal before bed so once i'm done scrolling through instagram or whatever i'm doing phone goes down lights go off and and i'll journal for i don't know maybe ten fifteen twenty minutes just kind of right my thoughts on the day. What my to do list for the next day. This is kinda helps manage stress and that kind of stuff and just kind of allows me to get settled into into bed. So i do that so it's not perfect. I mean if i could perfect world would be to to get off your phone two hours before you go to sleep but i mean. No one's really going to do that in nineteen so i don't even expect that for myself and if you're the same as me that i don't think you should expect that either because it's just you're just setting yourself up for failure right it same with same with eating. You know it's okay to go out and eat crappy every once in a while but is your is your routine. Is the things that you typically eat. Your average diet is that good and if that is good unhealthy you've earned the right to go and have a dessert or sugary sweet or have a drink right but if every day you wake up and you eat crappy food well then you haven't earned the right to go and have crappy food right so you just got to set yourself up to everything in moderation. Don't really like saying that but you know. Do your best to make it your routine to eat healthy to exercise to get good sleep and do the routine but don't stress yourself out if if you don't got you no i appreciate that. Yeah i i usually. I'll usually pokot people when i see them wanting to go on a diet and they're just eating crappy food and i'm like well it's not cheat day if it's every day it's just that's just what you eat. Adds one of the great things about living in chengdu. The mcdonald's is really far away. It's as far as far enough away and i did. And don't you can judge me. I don't care. I i do enjoy my donald's it's it's for me. It's a comfort. It's it's funny because it's actually a lot of people's comfort food. And i go there. But it's the quality tends to be a a little mixed here and there. I dunno like y- i liked it in japan was good japan and they all have like regional flavors you can get regional things. It's kind of interesting and we dolls are always busy for some reason. Yeah they're always busy. People people love the mcdonalds. And so i'm glad you know when we he talks about the great food and i'm going to get into as i have some questions now for the food so the thing about chengdu we're right next to semi is there's like a new restaurant that opens every day and and it's amazing and the food is great and the food is fairly inexpensive. If you're if you're comparing to western. Like sometimes i get meals that i know would cost upwards of twenty bucks and the us and this is like less than half that and the challenge though in in college kind of Found the key of cooking at home. And that's something that i'll entertain when come back but the challenge. I have here sometimes too. Is that you know eating as is very heart of the cultural eating with people here because you go to these restaurants you have a nice conversation and you could. Everything is the pace here so slow. So how how do you do you. Do you eat at home. And then just grab coffee or something when you're meeting with people sometimes depending on where we're going. If we were to go to mcdonalds i would do that. But what a lot of my clients are business professionals where you know their job relies on them going out and taking clients how to eat right so eating very very social so whether you're here in chengdu or you're you're working in a nine to five job or whatever it is you. Do you know you're always going to be going out to eat. It's just it's part of life. And so what i do is if i know. I'm going to go out for dinner that night. Then i'll make sure that i make my breakfast and i make my lunch right instead of. I know i'm going to go out for dinner and then also up for breakfast and then someone happened to talk me into going for lunch. It's like no no if you know you're going for dinner already. You've already made that plan make breakfast. Make your lunch that way. You've had good healthy food. You've gotten the protein. You need your healthy fats your vitamins your minerals and then you can go out now. That said i mean most places here that i've been to. You can get a lot of really healthy stuff anyway but hey if you wanna grab a pizza. Grab a pizza. That's fine if you ate good healthy meals earlier and maybe you worked out to right. But if you didn't then you know grab just make sure you get some vegetables in your meal. Get a good high quality protein. Get the the essentials of a meal and then you're good to go then you can have your dessert and you know whatever you want. No that's that's great to know ya and just let you guys know is when i say those are good places to eat i do include. I do include that. There are healthy places to eat. I think the most popular like vegetarian. Place that isn't actually vegetarian for some reason as the shady shack tropical tropics tropical. Oh yes tropical is one of my favorite places right now. If you eat there they always give you look at ten percent coupon for the next time and i feel like they know me I was actually there last night. And and the report about a tropical is also the internet's pretty fast there. So i actually it was able to. I've done some work there in the past and i probably will in the future just because the food so good but all i. I'm a creature of habit. But i'm trying to break out There's a place called. The mocha salmon poker bowl which i really enjoy Altered ego which is across from dojo. They have a nice vegetarian breaky. I personally aged trying to produce the amount of meat. I eat okay Just because for humane reasons. And also as i'm getting older i know there's some there has to be some health benefits. I've read about reducing certain kind of meats. I've i've kind of given up bacon. Which i miss which i miss a lot because very tasty bright do like pigs pigs are very nice and and so that was kind of my reason so i had to give up pepperoni pizza and that was. That was a difficult thing but i i always suggest like no. No one's going to give up meat overnight but if you eat one meal less a day or a week there could be benefits there so when it comes to me. It's more about the quality of the meat that you're eating than anything so meat is actually one of the most nutrient dense foods available to humans. So we've kind of gotten mixed up for for humane purposes. Sure i get going vegan. I've been vegan myself. I did it. And i enjoyed it. I felt pretty good not amazing. I lost weight. So i brought the meet back. But here's the thing in. It's more in the in north america or more developed countries. We we've really screwed up the way that we farm animals right. These big feedlots where we feed them grains which. They're not meant to eat. We pump them with antibiotics and hormones. They grow faster. And all this crap. They live in these disgusting places. That meat is really bad. It's inflammatory is that you do not want in your body. So if you're eating low quality grain fed meat or farmed fish though. It's not the worst thing ever but farmed fish or process meets a competitor owner and things. Like these are bad these definitely you want to reduce as much as possible. But if you're getting a nice grass-fed grasp finished stake a wild salmon pasture-raised chicken you know from animals that are just there farmed in the way that they're meant to live then than it's actually full of vitamins and minerals and good protein and good healthy fats in so many anti inflammatory compounds so it's almost a completely opposite type of food even though they look the same if you get a grass-fed meat and a grain fed meet the look almost identical. But they're completely different when you look at them under a microscope. So i don't necessarily think you need to reduce the amount of meat. You eat unless you're in america because you guys eat so much meat it's insane but You know the biggest thing is make sure vegetables are the biggest part of your plate and then having a little bit of meat on the side of that in any meal is is completely fine. Just don't overdo it. That's all gotcha. Okay so. I have a really overarching question about a day in the life of eating. Then let's let's get in some good stuff here. So when i'm traveling and i'm stressed what should i pack as a snack to just get over the hump because you because let's face it you get to the airport. Your flights delayed when you go into a new country. You have no idea where to go. You know what you you know. You're just walking around like does that. Look good and then you find mcdonald's so you know what kind of snacks can you pack or eat we bring with you or no if you go to that mini mart. I'll i'll get that just just to wait to to to help me until i get a meal. Great question you should see how much food i brought on when i came from canada taylor but my favorite thing is nuts nuts mixed nuts and seeds and then if you have a sweet tooth throw some dark chocolate in there so you want cl- close if not a greater than eighty five percent dark chocolate and the bar that you get That's just gonna have the least amount of sugar but dark. Chocolate is great. Anti inflammatory full of antioxidants. It's really good for you and if you wanna have dark chocolate every day go for i. I'm they're gonna go to the store. After this interview. It gets dark chocolate as dark chocolate milk chocolate so dark. Chocolate mixed with nuts and seeds is great. Because you're nuts and seeds are high in fats. So they're going to help keep you full. They have some protein in it so it helps to keep you satiated And then your dark chocolate is your sweet that you know kind of just you know if you have a sweet tooth and it just. It's going to cure that for you. So that's my favorite snack. I like to bring vegetables. And hamas i like to bring fruit with me really anything that you can bring that whole food so i always travel with again supplements so i have collagen protein or grasp way protein. I'll bring some of that because you just bring a protein shake or with you get some water. Mix it up and there's a good a good source of protein for you. So those really are are the three. I go fruit. Because that's your carbs ago. A protein shake because ed protein. And then you're you're nuts and seeds and that gets your fat so it's almost like a well balanced meal But it's all snacks with the fruit. Does the dehydrated fruit. Count are no good question. Dehydrated fruit is super concentrated. Sugar so amazing. Yeah you don't. It is good but you don't really want to do that. I mean little bits and your trail mix. let's say mixed with. You're not sure that's fine but you don't want to be eating whole thing of dried raisins or whatever it is that you need. And what kind of nuts Good question not peanuts but basically anything else. Your almonds cashews. What else are there. Almonds and cashews. Macadamia nuts are really good and low carb Any basically any tree nut is great Just make sure. They're not covered salts or covered in vegetables. Gotcha gotcha full disclosure. I do have a little bit of peanut butter. When i'm when i'm angry just because it comes on strong by the way here like i'm hungry and then i'm hungry like five seconds later and i'm like and then i'm trying my best not to make a poor decision because the so if you're here in bali your option is if you're hungry obviously cook but any when you're hungry sometimes like for me like you're hungry so you want to go somewhere you wanna eat something now and it's gonna be it's gonna be a minute order and just let you guys know. Bali isn't the fastest of anything. So if you're in a hurry ball is not the place to go. If like it's amazing because even when you're trying to pay like chasing the the waiter around like i've been finished eating for lost two hours. Are you gonna to bring the check yet or what's going on here but so okay. Perfect so all switched over to to the almonds. I'll probably make my own back but this this really helps me this is this is like an actionable thing you guys can do when you're traveling because i can bring this with you when you're talking about fruits and all these things i'm like i'm a picture. Kyle having a lot of explaining at immigration and it's like oh the salaries it's fine or like because you if you don't know this when you travel you have to you to write down if you have any livestock or any kind of live things with you and you know i don't i. It's almost like you fill out like you're a criminal like you're like i don't have any of it to be honest. I've never been questioned. Which is crazy. Because i i came here with a mass of begging ziplock bag of way protein. Which is a white powder and then a massive bag of collagen protein which is a white powder and a bag of cray team which is again a white powder wasn't questioned at all so okay so for all you drug dealers just mixture mix it mix it with just say it's way or soy protein So good to know all right and let's get some fun stuff too so drinking a look you know some you know. I don't trust people that don't drink. But i do like them. I just don't trust them. Because i get funnier and better looking when when people drink but if you were going to drink obviously your poison your poison your body however what's the best poison to take a good question. I mean there really isn't a good answer for you. The best thing would probably be like a high quality tequila tequila or or jin except none of it matters. If you're going to drink more than five drinks let's say or even more you know more than three drinks pretty much because the alcohol itself is. What's what's the problem. I mean beer has has gluten in it right so obviously that's an issue for a lot of people whereas jin to kill they don't they come from a plant there for the most part natural but the problem is is that most people when they go out there not having one drink of gin in some water right with a lemon it. That's fine but who's doing that. You're gonna have five ten lord. Lord does that one. Well i don't think she has one so if you can do that. And that's fine and actually red wine would probably the best. But i know that's not It's pretty expensive here in chengdu or in bali. Sorry red wine is probably your best bet but again a glasser to a night and there's actually some health benefits to it but once you go past that there's no getting away from if you're going to drink just go drink. Oh this have fun but you know what you gotta do. One eat a lot of good food. That day of and get cooper hydrated. Whatever you're drinking. Don't be mixing it with like coca-cola and a bunch of sugary stuff. Because a lot of your hangover is actually from that. Not actually the alcohol. The other thing is the sleep so if you end up parting till like five in the morning will you just changed your sleep cycle. That is a big reason of why you you feel hung over in the morning so i i haven't ordering here that i'm wearing. I don't know if you if you know the says but this ring has infrared lights on tracks my sleep quality so it tells me i heart rate when i'm sleeping. My heart rate variability my respiratory rate stages of sleep by men and basically tells me the quality of sleep and i was kind of just messing around with my food. Timing is messing around. With when i go to sleep in the one that i went to bed at like three i usually go to bed at ten and i went to bed at three am and i woke up in the morning at my normal time and i almost felt pretty much hung over and i was. I didn't have a thing to drink. And the my ordering told me that i had the worst quality sleep is because i changed my circadian rhythm and just didn't get enough sleep so that hangover you feel yes some of it to do with the alcohol for sure but a lot of it is the sugar it just the sleep issue so it's not just the alcohol but if you're gonna drink just do it have fun but the there's some tidbits and there. There's there's gin there's tequila non sure i you know i in my mind. I'm thinking like if i drink soda. Water i because i like to enjoy the taste of it and also i don't know i in my mind. I think if i always think like can you mix it with coconut. Water or macari sweat. Does that a. That's not a bad idea. I've never had a drink mixed with coconut water. But that sounds like a really good idea. L. that would make sense to me. Yeah i like that. I do this because coconut. Water is very very cheap in southeast asia. Just why it's very expensive in america. But when you're here it's like a dollar labs or something and you can pour vodka in it jenner quila and it looks like you're drinking coconut water so you can get away with it. The other thing too is force yourself to get up in the morning. Go jump in the water whether it's in the in the ocean whether it's in your pool i mean we all have pools and are villas for the most part. Get up and just change your environment. Don't just lay in bed and you're hangover will not be gone but you'll you'll feel a hell of a lot better. Oh my god that sounds like he's got a four she said that. Yeah i feel like crap. I'm gonna go not drown. I'll try that and we're getting closer to the big question. But and i know We're here. We're almost an hour so i'll make it quick here so let's talk about your fan of intermittent fasting is that is that the case so i've been trying it out for it okay. Can we quickly. Can you walk through. What like what a typical day is for you. Yeah breakfast lunch dinner. Okay you your first. Meal is at my. I wake up at six. Am i try not to eat for the first about an hour. So i just try to hydrate so drink water and this is partly because i do a bit of intermittent fasting although i've kind of gotten away from it a little bit since i'm here because i'm trying to eat a lot of food because i've just lost a bit of weight so i'm trying to to gain. Intermittent fasting is in the best for that so anyway we got six usually by seven eight. I will have either four eggs with a bunch of vegetables in it so either an omelette or scrambled eggs. And i've been having a banana with actually peanut butter because because i usually would have almond butter. But it's really difficult to find here. And i did find some at the one gerster but it was like sixteen dollars canadian for a tiny little bottles like i'm to literally eat the whole bottom one sitting so i'm not going to do that but i did find some some peanut butter. That didn't have a bunch of sugar and vegetables in it. So it's peanuts so that's that's better. The big problem with peanut butter is usually has a bunch of sugar like craft whatever sugar and vegetables and all this crap and it's you don't want that so anyway that's my breakfast. My lunch usually go the gym in between this. And i usually have a smoothie bowl that i make when i get home which is a whole bunch of different random fruit. I've just been testing out all the different fruit here. So could be anything and then i put in coconut milk. Half avacado scoop away protein peanut butter again and then and then i sprinkle some chia seeds on top. I've put cashews on top. I just got a paleo granola. That's like a bunch of seeds and and oats. And i think it's coconut shavings all kind of mixed together so i haven't thrown that on top. I kind of just go really random with as much stuff as i can possibly find and throw it into a big bowl. That sounds good. I almost when he's telling me this Just let you guys know. I don't cook at all. i don't cook at all. And when he's telling me all these things i'm like where did you buy this stuff. Like where does he go. I probably gonna have to do. I have a separate youtube channel. I'll probably have to do following kyle to the grocery store and learning how to buy fruit and nuts episode. Yeah we should we. Should you know. I've actually been trying different. Markets different grocery stores. I even through a question in bali digital nomads group on facebook to see where other people shop. Because it's you know it's not like when you're back home and you have everything you need in one store you kinda have to go to different spots so it's been kind of a fun little adventure trying to find everything but i think i've got it pretty much down pat now and then dinner i if i usually not usually but sometimes audio but if not then i've been obsessed lately with sweet potatoes here because they're purple and they taste amazing so i basically boil up a bunch of a bunch of those and then fry a bunch of different random vegetables like carrots and broccoli and cauliflower And then i cook up a fish that i got from the market which was Muhima he Throw some hot sauce on it. And some spices like turmeric and pepper Throw it all in a bowl and throw them all on it and boom guy yourself a wonderful tasty bowl. That's that sounds amazing. It's making me hungry. And i almost think that some point if he stays here long enough maybe he'll just open a restaurant it'll be yeah knows there's a couple of people That that came literally last year. Ralph from bamian. Beans came from holland. Opened up the vietnamese style restaurant restaurant and okay. It picked up a lot of steam and he's opening a second location. And i'm i'm forever impressed. How quickly things can manifest here. So keep that in. Mind so as a wrapping this up. Obviously we're talking about his services beyond your services. Is there any kind of apps that technology wise. You recommend that people use or Yeah good question. So i if you care about sleep or you want to get your sleep on track to ordering is honestly the best thing that i've ever purchased i think I love it. It's amazing it tells me exactly. I sleep and then what it does is it. Takes all that information tells you how hard you should work out the next day based off of your recovery and your stress levels etc so i would say or ring It's pretty cool looking to. I think you get different. Colors can get like silver and stuff so that would be one other than that. I mean just. I don't really have a whole lot of apps that are used with my clients. We use my fitness pal to track. If you're trying to trying to lose weight or you're trying to build muscle then. That's the only time that i would say. It can be useful to count calories or kind of keep track of what you're eating so. My fitness pal is a great tool for that but other than that. I mean just stick to the basics right eat real food. Get your workout and get some good sleep and manage your stress. You don't need to track anything. You don't really need any tools to do that. It's just the requirements of being human. All right that's fair. That's fair having said that. I just got intermittent. Fasting app tells me it tells me the problem with the intermittent fasting app. It just tells me when. I can stop eating this me isn't it isn't warn you like. Hey you have an hour left. It just says. Stop eating and you're like well that doesn't that doesn't helping me. I mean i'm going to eat now. How long are you are you passing for. I've tried to do the with the sixteen eighty which which is turning into the twelve and whatever left. That is actually trying. It's it's a mental struggle. You mentioned some effort to ask you. You eat before you work out. What shirt which is at is that personal for you. is that what. You're commend so it. Depends on your goals if you're trying to lose weight and i recommend fasting before you work out if you're maintenance and you're trying to stay the same weight or you're trying to gain weight or build muscle than you can eat before so it really is preference. A lot of people say. I have to before i work out. You don't it's just that's what you're used to right so if you want to start fasting before you work out you just gotta practice fasting. I let your body adapting get used to it and then you'll be able to go and handle the gym. It's kind of like the first time someone tries fasting and they can't eat for few hours when they wake up. I have to eat in the morning. I have to eat right away. Or i can't even start my day. Well no your body's just used to that give it five days. Maybe even three days and your body will adapt and all of a sudden. You'll be able to go few hours eating. So your body is very resilient it adapts to whatever stimulus you give it so you just got to. You got to kind of practice it and push through it. That's all that's fair. That's fair all right as we wrap this up. Let's talk about what what your your businesses you have an e book your feel free to pitch any of that information. Yeah so right now. The biggest thing that i'm doing is working with with clients. I'm loving this kind of a newer thing for me. I've been doing it for about a year. So i don't know if we call that new but One on one with clients tends to work really well because it keeps them accountable It allows us to create a system to start to change their habits for nutrition for exercise for sleep etc. So it's fun for me We get good results with clients. So if you're interested in that whether it's weight loss or just optimizing your health and you can you can find out more. On health simple info dot com slash. Health dash coach is that section. But everything else i do is is on. That website is well. I do have an e book and this basically teaches you how to eat healthy so a lot of people when they go to eat healthy they they still buy foods that unfortunately have hidden unhealthy ingredients in them. You know when. You're getting packaged foods and stuff. They say. They're vegan gluten free or organic and a lot of those aren't really all that healthy because they still have sugar. Sugar is gluten free sugars vegan. so you know. Marketing tends to trick a lot of people so what it is. I wrote a book and basically explains kind of the background. The history of nutrition and why were in the state. We're in right now and then it goes through and teaches you the foods that are good all the foods that you want to get rid of the ingredients like you literally kitchen look through it all and go kate. This has gotta go gotta go scott to go and then it kinda teaches how to put a meal together because a lot of people don't really cook these days so teaches you know here's how to cook. Here's how to make a well balanced meal and then we've got. I think twelve recipes in there. And i've got a friend of mine. Who's a holistic nutritionist. And their holistic chefs we call them They make some amazing amazing recipes. We've got all that and there so it's a great book. It's it's cheap. It's like twenty six bucks canadian or maybe it's american. I don't know but but it basically gives you everything you need to learn. Eat healthy other than that foment instagram. That's where most of the time. I kind of share everything that i'm meeting. I share a lot of different facts and tidbits on everything to do with health there so it's health simple underscore but yeah. That's probably where you wanna find me sick. Well thank you so much for being my first guest. I you know what i'm recording by myself. I don't have a lot of anxiety but because it's just me and there's been times where i've rerecord that same interview and i don't have that kind of option here and so i just hope this recording. What well. I think it did. We had some technical difficulties right in the beginning. But all that's really great information. And i really appreciate you coming onto the show. Obviously i just started my podcast We actually just met three days after he arrived. And you know like. I said earlier in the show. Sometimes you don't you can't gauge because people come here and kyle's it right. He had a business that he brought to bali. And so when you have that you have a bit of you have momentum. We talked about having momentum. You have momentum and you have a clear path but if you arrive here. There's so many distractions and keep that in mind. If you if you're thinking about coming to bali or being you know location remote that having something in it could change. I mean it can change but having direction before you come is definitely beneficial but again kyle thank you so much. His his podcast health simple radio helpful radio civil radio and i think he has like one hundred more episodes than i do. But i'm catching up. One year at a time. So i just wanna say thank you for small for having me on the podcast as well. This was a lot of fun. I know it was your first interview but you did a fantastic job. Great questions conversation. I've been on other podcasts. Where they don't they don't really have a conversation with you. They just throw questions out. And that's it and it's kind of awkward but this was great. We were smiling the whole time having fun so again. Thank you so much for bringing me on. It was a blast and and good luck to you. Starting out with with your podcast here. It's podcasting is so much fun. It's a great way to teach and a great way to share your thought so good for you for forgetting gone. Thank you so much. Go all right guys have a great one.

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Episode 8: A Healthy Retirement

Capital Partners Private Wealth Advisers

34:29 min | 4 months ago

Episode 8: A Healthy Retirement

"Welcome to talking about retirement where we aim to redefine retirement with your host daymond sudden wealth adviser and master of financial diamonds. Driving ambition is to meaningfully help. People gain a sense of certainty about being able to live their best life. Talking about retirement explores a wide range of retirement and lifestyle topics from a holistic perspective. In this first series damon will be joined by david andrew and berry lavelli for each episode and they will be having straightforward conversations around leading a rich and fulfilling life in retirement. David is a thought later in the australian wealth advisory industry and the ceo of capital partners. Private both advises pay is a two time winner of australia's leading professional bodies. Professional practice of the year award. David is also a published author. His book wealth with purpose is a common sense guide to wealth investing and living and inspiring life berry joins us from the nine month in british columbia in canada and is a global retirement expert leading and provoking thought in the non financial aspects of retirement. He is one of the originators of the life. I approach to financial planning and is also a published author berries latest book. So you think you are. Ready to retire helps raise his view. Retirement holistically episode is a healthy retirement. Join us as we discuss what is required to establish the building blocks for a healthy retirement. And what we need to consider for both our physical and mental well-being welcome. Everyone and i hope you've been joying previous episodes where we are aiming to redefine retirement in our previous episode discussing the importance in attitude to leisure. And how that relates to achieving sense of balance in our lives and today we're looking at how to achieve a healthy retirement specifically what is required in establishing the building blocks for really healthy retirement. And what we need to consider for both our physical and mental well-being many of our podcast sofa have alluded to the fact that our approach the law wall working shouldn't innocence really change in our retirement is and this thing continues. We're looking at these building blocks of establishing a healthy retirement. What we do today affects the quality of what we have tomorrow and the three key plot locks that will look at today. I'm sure won't come as any surprise being exercised and lost all habits. I'm you pick up any magazine if you do so at all online publication now generally on the kaaba one of those three is a feature article but traditionally the planning industry has always had a focus on the financial aspects of retirement which obviously does have an important place in securing our future. Becoming more prevalent in terms of money is will this money for and unless we have a healthy approach to our laws that purpose that we've identified all but become obsolete so berry interning our attentions health. What's important in your view on what we need to do in terms of establishing those building blocks to maximize chances for optimal health in return. Well i think first and foremost is self awareness. I think in general. We all know what we should be doing but the question is do we do it. How do we prioritize it. How important is it You know people who tend to be healthy physically have been healthy. All their lives general Well i find people who one way they choose to spend their time in. Retirement is to turn to their health and focus more on it Many people who attend my workshops etc are not necessarily doing that but then they never have done that. So self awareness. I think is important understanding the basic foundation and the basic foundations. I i think mental wellness is understanding. Who you are what you want. And they use that as the foundation upon which to build the physical aspects. And what you need to do what you have to do. Know a couple of caveats here. I think people have the impression that that as you get older. you know. we've all seen the commercials of this. We had them over here about the sixty year old or sixty five year. Old swede who is in better health than when he was in his twenties And we've got this idea that that's the vision of what we should be in retirement. I'm not sure that that's practical for a lot of people through continuity theory through Not understanding what changes you need to make an also thinking that if you can't be the twenty year old or the sixty year old swede that it's not worth doing So i think we have to have a change in attitude first and foremost and just decide what is important to us and then recognize where we are and what we can do as opposed to what somebody else is doing in that regard. I think it's important that we talk to a doctor. Talk to a nutritionist. Understand what we need to do at our age and physical condition. Now when i say at our age I'm talking more about the not the chronological age but rather this objective. H how would you feel what you have the energy to do. Can you improve that energy and go do things. Do you have a purpose. And the purpose i think is that you want to decide. Live for as long as you possibly can. And so what are you doing. That might take away from that or might crash. That idea I think this is a great discussion between her retirement coach and person looking at their health again. Self awareness self identifying things that are going to be important so that you can live the life that you want and finally. I believe that we have to accept that life especially as we get older is full of change. I have a very good friend who is sixty three years. Old was the champion of the golf course and two nights ago. He had a stroke. Now look these things happen but we have to understand how fragile life is and that one of the main reasons for paying attention to your health is you wanna be alive and fruitful and not as happy as you can't for as long as you and and you have control over that very. There are no excuses because the primary indicator of health outcomes later in life is what you'll childhood health was lock so there. There are small number of people. I acknowledge openly that had some terrible health outcomes as children but as as a healthcare systems have improved the vast majority of us are in the western world. Laced are in really good shape as children throughout Teens early twenty s and in young adulthood and most all the health. Aliments that reflected with first world creations. We are too much nutrition. Not enough not enough exercise and the like so so the point your making about if if you purposes to live a long fruitful healthy life have a really high quality of life then. Interestingly and this is quite counter intuitive i think prolonged listeners. This is actually the easiest place to work. call it. You know to have a routine around getting out of getting out of the house every everyday and walking foreign allah eighties that it. You know the other thing that i think is really important and an odd personally. You have to grapple with this every day in my mid fifties is as we get older if we're not exercising calorific needs keller energy needs reduced as we get older our our bodies stiffen up as we get older so so we need to eat less. We need to cut the alcohol down and we need to do a whole bunch of things that we've not done before you know if we haven't had iregular stretching routine those things make an enormous difference to health outcomes later in life and problem is you get to the fighting and stop. There's not a lot you can do about it once. You got If you're aware of this in your fifties and you can start building. In india game plan then you are significantly increasing Your your physical impact. The quality of physical outcomes and health outcomes lettering law. Part of the problem of course is that we look at where we are and we think that this is how we'll be for a long time In australia for example seventy percent of australians over age seventy two or more chronic conditions that affect their daily life skills. Our daily life i- activties. So you know like the aging process is tough enough as it is and to speak to your point. We can do some things. To at least mitigate the effects of the aging process has on us. Yeah and and you know this this. This significant evidence. I'm not gonna go to overwhelming evidence. But there is significant evidence to scientific evidence to suggest that vigorous physical exercise that that stimulates the monaco andrea actually slows. The doesn't slow the aging process. It it it has an effect on the regeneration of ourselves. We can turn reduces the aging process so so there is actually a lot that we can do an area. I talk about this concept of retirement. Planning being yes. We need to get the money right. We need to make sure you can have the best life you possibly can with the resources you've got but then we also need to look at the intersection of of money and live and if there was one pot of this whole game plan that you would focus on it would be your exercise dies and lifestyle habits as an indicator of a successful long term retirement. That would be probably the number one focus that we encourage people to look at. You know what. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more and this all starts with berries. I point the mental awareness. Because we've all heard the various analogies around the link between relationship between a body and mind and the power of a mind really has the ability to enhance physical sills. This can provide a real force in driving our commitment to that physical health and all the benefits that david you just mentioned if we can just zoom out on the power of mind and understand maybe with this comes from a deepest valleys all the things that matter most to us in our lives can see that these values can prod a real driver in informing and establishing actum actions. David you've committed a lot of work in understanding the power of of tapping into understanding our values. How do you see them. Being a substantial linked to a thoughts a motives and therefore our actions in terms of our physical wellbeing diamond. Well think about it goes to the Capital partners website just goodwill capital palms per Fall resources now actually values worksheets and that can be really useful alexa to help people tease this out. So in my work as a financial adviser and and You know. I guess thought later spice i see that. Most of the conflict people have in their lives with themselves. Is whether it's a mismatch between a decision. That's being tied and the van us. Just yesterday. We were having a conversation with clients about. How do we help out. Some needs to one thousand nine hundred by his first time. How much money. they're quite. they're quite well off. They're comfortable and they've got the opportunity to help as son getting him now. The conversation was fascinating because it was a real tussle between. We really to help our son. He's he's proven to be a very good sign away very proud of him. He's a great kid. He's launched himself into his korea. And deep down there was was a there was a little tussle going on because one of their values their self might people unequivocally that self made people and the tussle was. Oh we don't wanna make it too easy for them we him. We really want him to understand. The value of work and and my tip is that they're going to settle on lower of help ron than a higher amount of welp because it helps them reconcile their generosity within a to ensure that their son is not taking anything in life for granted fascinating. Little case study that is recent. My experience with this. Is that way we can help. People tease their values out. They can just live simple alive less complicated labs so so we've got one one again very very recent example of a fellow who's working incredibly hard. He's in his mid. Seventy s is an entrepreneur. Extraordinarily successful has now has grandchildren but all measures has a very very success. Life and year dischord happening. Because he's hard work. Still is impacting family. Life he's not spending as much tanzi like with family members. So this is talk about this internal tussle. It's where there's a mismatch between you bad us and your actions so i'll share my personal insight into this my bad news. I've identified with whether the woods on at night. But i know what i feel like. Some my venues revolve around the ideas of authenticity family leadership and adventure. And i know very very quick clean for may went on got got real discomfort going on in my life that this stuff going on in my life. That's not align with those full values and and that's the power. Let's just to reach right. That link you know if they go to. The capital papua's perth australia website. And look for sources of fun at venues exercising. It can be a really really useful really useful exercising teasing out people's views and getting a better understanding and and dealing with some of these tassels we've had conversations where where someone's coming to the office with a really big problem to solve and they've got their values their wealth map in front of them and they've got their bad news there and by the time he advises really to sit down with them to have a chat chat fell. Say something like lagaan. i'm pretty sure. Resolve this problem in my mind. I think i've dealt with it because they've just taken the. I'm to stop and connect. What's going on in their life back to their venues and they said that's not that's not bury your head. You say that with your science psychology head on well when david said that that just came out an inefficient everything else. We've talked about in these. Podcasts is is he mentioned. He has four major values. Right i heard that correctly. I think now i'm sure you have others. But there are four driving values that supersede most of the other things that are important to you right and i think too often We don't take a roll. Call personally what our values actually are and and over time. Some things become important. Some things don't. But i think of the four or five values that are important. They tend to stay pretty much throughout your life if it. I think that it's important as you enter this next phase of your life to To take a again another look at those values in recognize what they are reinforced them in your mind and understand how they then feed into things like the way you feel about your health the way you feel about other things that slow from those values so i just think we need to recommit in some cases to the values we have david. I find far too many people who are struck with this thing called cognitive dissonance in other words what i should do. I know that this is where my values say. But i still don't do it and and i think that at some point those people in there are a lot of them have to sit down with some by to say all right. What is stopping me from. Living the life of value. I want so from my perspective Icy more cognitive dissonance especially as people get older in some cases some people have just given up or they have fallen so far in to paralysis that they don't pay attention anymore to the values and that's the difference we've talked about over and over between existing and living And i think that far too many people in retirement just exist and the ones that can separate themselves live a life of value which overflows into everything else. A great thing that link between values the way we live our life. Obviously as you said barry is going to stem into other values and reach into ultimately our physical health and generally as we age. The stereotype of those years ahead is that we become more and more sedentary with exercise and activity becoming less and less of a feature where isn't really reality by the opposite is actually required of us and david a night. You're really active guy having a really good appetite for adventure rotting and let's call them Fairly brisk walks at your level activity playing out in the future. And what do you think we could learn from that perspective. So so am i. Value of adventure is not about climbing mountains and You know deep diving to the bottom of the date. Blue say my my definition of adventure is very broad. And i'm telling story simply because i think listeners will find the perspective useful. I'd just enjoy being in the outdoors. May we talked about that whole mental health piece earlier and taking some time out in the previous episode. Some time for ourselves being in the australian bush familiar adventure on it's a it's a great mindset. Shift set a reset. Readjust for me. I'm not gonna let go of these things so so mountain bike riding a multi after by an e bike. But i just want be letting go of these things anytime soon and there is a certain discipline required. The other day we went out for matt. Mock rod was pouring with ryan. And both of this friend. And i were saying. We don't wanna do this and it was now we've got to do it and we got there opt for about a half an hour's drive and we had two hours without any rioting and this is most extraordinary Experience so so part of it part of the trick. I think this is just get out into it. Comes to topic. We've talked about in previous conversations about motivated and other motivated. But if you know you're another motivated person but you really want to do these sorts of visit 'collectivities then you've got to join a group you've got to create an you've got to create a commitment Way you silopi icon sky out of this because you know the girls are expecting me to be there. The gods are expected to be there so so whether you are so there's no question at all self motivated. People find this sort of thing so much easier but other other motivated people can employ strategies to ensure that the can be committed. Be on time and they actually get to the activity that i wanted to do your retirement to put things off to and so again. Our natural fallback position for most is to put things off and am not gain leverage ourselves to do things and to get that discipline so that this becomes a real problem. And i really got to buckle down on the disciplined part because it's easier to become undisciplined than disciplined and there's also that commitment thing. I think we're a couple things that i've tried that. I'm really really bad at. But i persist with his yoga. Can you know. I've got the flexibility of of concrete. But were every time i go i i come why and i just think oh my goodness this is so good for me. Mentally and physically. But i'm terrible at and i've had to come to terms with not comparing myself to other people the other thing that i really liked to be good at gulf. Now my twenty five twenty two year old twenty three year old son has recently taken up golf and and is joining a golf club and good luck to him for. He's made it a priority. And i'm just watching in awe of how easy it is for a committed. Twenty two twenty three year old to get activity compared with a fifty five year old to get good at an activity. Know we've got all these main tool neural pathways. That that pretty well bike. Din mother tommy fifty five and it takes some commitment but also importantly at takes some humility. I think we spend so much of our lives not doing things. Because you know we're not gonna look right and my swing all barry if you saw my swing man you just but the point in my life where i don't give a hoot care what anyone else thinks and i don't have to be playing pro-am with tiger woods to think on guy know so so onion ago and i'm gonna practice my golf. I'm going to go out. And i'm going to practice my yoga. I might choose to be at the back of the room so that run out front and the other participants in the class but but just have a go at these activities and make a stop and really really begin a journey that can mean incredibly rewarding because if we go back to some of the very earliest episodes where we where we talk about the perma formula. I in perma is achievement. And and recalibrating your expectations so that you can take achievement from quat. Small incremental improvements is incredibly rewarding at any stage of life and again just to reiterate. I think we've got to reprogram ourselves because we grow up in a society where you've got to be good at everything you don't have to be good at everything you've gotta turn up. You've got to have a guy and be satisfied with your performance. Whatever that performances. Of course the bush back on that ultimately it needs to be fun right. And so there's a much better chance of. I firstly doing getting out there having a guy but secondly to keep doing it look at the overlay of the activity of course being appropriate fear capability. is probably also important but ideally would probably off to some element of balanced between aerobic strength. Exercises flexibility is also important as we choose bought now get a good degree of balanced so activities in the an overall positive impact bodies on you know talk about people putting things off I've become very aware of where i am in life. And not to the point of being a morose sir or negative. I i just think each and every day is a gift. So if there's something that i need to do then you might as well start it today because if you've left it till tomorrow you know you wasted a day and i keep thinking in those terms and that's the way that i can get leverage on myself. There's an old saying it says the way you eat. An elephant is one bite at a time and rather than put things off which again is quite common in retirement. It's to say. I'm just gonna take the first step. And i'm going to take that step and then maybe i'll take another step and another step but again tying that into what you just said damon is to look at it like even though it's pouring rain and i don't really want to go on a bike ride. I'm gonna see if. I can have fun in the rain and gain control of yourself. I the interesting berry in terms of the amount of knowledge and information we have in today's denied compared to previous generations. Obviously we have a wealth of information at our fingertips to be able to later really healthy law but our actually more healthy than previous jenner. You know the post war generation. How do you say that. I think we delude ourselves. Sometimes in talking about how healthy we are as a generation versus previous generations If you take a look at the per capita rise in things like heart condition diabetes Obesity it's cetera. We certainly have nothing to be proud of as generation in the western world having said that I also believe we have more knowledge at our disposal at our fingertips and we also have access to things that will help us if we just seek them out. So i'm i'm quite positive about the future for the boomer generation especially in in moving into this phase of life as long as they can take a count of where they are and what they want to accomplish because if you just leave them alone there they may in fact not do anything out by the way the one thing. That's different between this generation and a generation ago and this number came out of australia. Is that the incidence of Cognitive decline is actually lower now per capita than it was a generation ago. Now i heard people say well no. It's higher now you know but it actually isn't. It's lower and i think that may speak to the idea that maybe we are using our brains a little bit more to understand what drives mental health and how that affects our physical help. I want to pick that up because the while this podcast is about health. Most people think that's about the physical health. I think cognitive decline a really really important piece of this puzzle and there is significant evidence to suggest that staying in the labor off to the age of sixty or sixty five is associated with Slow a loss of cognitive function. And i think that's because of the stimulation of the workplace and the related social engagement. So so this idea of hard stop retirement. Most of that regular listeners. Heard from many times that you know that that. That's not my favorite approach. I need working with some form of work payroll on hide is very very important to maintaining cognitive function. Now munich back this point up. It is a study done in germany where i looked at assembly line workers in an automotive plant now. Nowadays people assembly line workers. Pretty repetitive. work. You'd think that i'd be well and truly retied mentally before. They checkout physically of their of their jobs but they actually found that the whole relationship between age and productivity got challenged because they found that the assembly line workers in the automotive plan actually had increasing everage by productivity. Right up to the idea of sixty five. So so that experienced i had and a continuing cognitive capabilities was actually still really really valuable. At the age of sixty five and linked that with the evidence that people who work past sixty five ten two so long as they're not in really really tough physical rawls people who pass sixty five ten to live longer. Liz food for thought in that took and it's also reassuring and just reaching back to the three elements. We started this episode with in awareness of of diet exercise. And just your general lost out now. Of course niggardly any exercise program was with your doctor but this episodes listening challenges to look at each of the following six steps to living a healthy life and return and see what you can incorporate in your daily regime daily lafon. I one is seek to get some exercise. Each and every day have a balance of of endurance strengthening and stretching activities maybe review of dot and identify some small in gradual changes it can maybe make towards healthier living at an element of self reflective or election techniques such as meditation. We spoke about that last episode. Perry and also getting some data on your health. Monitor your blood pressure. Chocolat sugar levels. Whatever is important to you and your body and also make sure. It's all fun a hubby fan. Today's discussion around living a healthy life and retirement interesting and have managed to take away a few ideas to help you on your way to achieving. Bury david it's been a pleasure chatting to you today. Thanks again for sharing insight and experience. Thank you all for listening and choosing our podcast for your retirement information. We look forward to you joining us next time. Thank you thank you for joining us for this kind of talking about retirement. The information in this podcast is of a general nature only and may not be relevant to your circumstances the circumstances of h investor different and. You should sake. Advice from a professional financial advisor can consider which strategies are right for you. 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