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On The Ledge podcast trailer
"<music> hello my name is jane perron and i'm the host of a podcast called on on the ledge. If you've ever wondered where you've gone wrong with that spider plant that's turning yellow or despaired over your dead venus flytrap then this is where my podcast comes in because on ledge is all about houseplants indoor gardening how you can keep your plants alive alive inside. I've been obsessed with houseplants. Since i was a little kid but is still low to me to learn so come along and with me i talk to the the experts help to answer your house. Plant problems and struggle over latin names on the ledge is available on all good pod apps and and you can check out my website at jane perot dot com.
Evergreens that make good holiday cuttings
"Your plan to the week. We'll plant is planned this week mark. And it's all of those things that you and I and everybody else. If they wish can use they are such things as taxes. This juniper Hemlock Arbor Vita boxwood Holidays well even the deciduous hollies. You WanNa miss of the Evergreen Types Pines James. Spruce Hella bores down on the ground. You can use their leaf. Clusters it all boils down mark to the fact that from here through into December if you Perron in this is a good time to get it done at jacket-type whether by the afternoon nap You can cut and save those materials If you have a north side where you can stack things a little bit You can lay. These bows in their own kind. Or you can group them whatever They are Dr Trimmings. That are probably appropriate in the first place. Then secondarily where I don't want to get into the business of garden centers? Selling things There there are. There are a lot of uses for these various plants. I've mentioned the cool cold almost icy weather that we have had and are going on into who will hope. Help preserve those Lay them aside comes time to address up the handrail in the house or for that matter the front porch. It's it's time to dress up the mantle over the fireplace. Whatever all of those things can be used now? Do Bear in mind that they are all full of We'll call it natural oils and the are woody etc when you think of fireplace and Mantel and so on be very careful how you use them. Don't leave things hanging off the front. where a spark popping out of the fireplace could catch them and so on? So there is a cautionary factor but at the same time. A lot of people miss the the opportunity to trim this time of year. When Hugh don't even work up a sweat doing it? You get the job done and you can for the most part cut longer bows and those are all things that can be used that makes them all the plants of the week.
Episode 152: leaf botany part three - silicon
"This week. Supported by. Management website, you can save money on your household bills. Traits people lose jobs around the having. See how much time and money you can say today. P Dot. UK. Don't. Hello and welcome to on the Ledge podcast episode one, hundred and fifty two it's leaf botany par three. Hope you're still feeling the effects of last week's relax ation episode. But this week we're back to some modern day planted voice. Plant Ecologist Dr Julia Cooke joins me to talk about the role of silicone implants. You have to say that carefully silicon implants not silicon implants. That's very different kind of podcast. Also be answering a question about Brown marks on leaves and we'll be hearing from listener MW. Thank you, Laura L. E. and plants man mode and. Key in the US for some five star reviews for the show. And thank you those of you who have joined the Patriarchal clan in the last couple of weeks. That's Adele Julia. Molly and Michelle who haven't formed ago ban no they've all become five dollar patrons and therefore legends and Lydia who's become a crazy. person thanks also to Clare who gave a one off donation on Codex. Fi. Dot Com instructions on how to do all of those things are in the show notes and there's a new option on patriots now to pay annually, which gives you two months free. So do check that out. I'll be putting a post out for existing patrons to explain how that works. But if you're new patron, you can opt to pay annually when you join and you will save two months a say. So if you prefer to do it that way, it saves me on costs for transactions and it just means less hassle for you. So check that out if that's of interest. Thanks for all your deliciously wonderful feedback on previous recent episodes. Somebody commented on my Instagram Post about the on the Ledge Manifesto. Did it would make a great poster this has got my mind whirring as it often does thinking for to the physical mail out that I send out to patrons at in the month of December the festive mail out I'm wondering whether. Could I think about some way of incorporating that if you've got a good idea for what I should do, that may allow him might be. Some of form of card or I don't know. I'm I'm open to suggestions on that front seems a long way of them of the December but hey, it's coming before we know it we will be thrown into the throes of winter I know involuntary shudder everybody but we do have to face it, and if you've got any ideas about that mail out and what you'd like me to send, then do let me know. I've also been putting out a few of Peron's plants the video series on instagram where I talk about plants that I own and you get see my smiley face and also my extensive approach collection and had a message on one of those videos. It was my Hoya carry I video from Kristen, who said that she just got to save spot after evacuating from fires in California and she's very happy to see. Perron plants after twenty four hours of non-stop. Five footage and evacuation orders and she says, I hope my plump babies safe well. So Do I. Christine unto. Any other listeners in California facing evacuation or other horrible things connected to those fires wish you will. Well, on I do hope your plants or okay. Khorasan undelighted the I can offer you a little bit of light relief in the form of Perot's plants because that's what it's all about. I also have covered recent need the silver dollar vine. Zero Seacoast. So, if you want to learn about that plot, do go and check out my instagram where I'm at J. Dot L. Dot Perron also, very excited because I haven't the new shelving in my office is up and running up just received the led lights that are going to light it up. They aren't officially grow lights but they will be adding to the General at Moss and hopefully providing a bit of useful spectrum from my plants. I should be doing video on that once I've got it all set up. and. It's very, very exciting. My Office still looks like a bit of a tip. One day he'll be tidy I'm sure you will know this feeling it's getting there and he's feeling a little bit less crowded. Now I've got rid of the rother oversized bookshelf. Full of my husband's record. So there aren't going into the House and they've got their own bespoke system and his lovely said don't feel too sorry for my husband. Just a quick word about much. You can boy on the edge merchandise. Did you know that are? Hope you do? If you go to my website Jane Perron Dot Com and just click on the shop link in the top right hand corner it should take you to spread shirts I've ever in the US or in the UK where you can buy everything from tank tops to t shirts, hoodies tote bags. All emblazoned with the on the Ledge logo or alternatively with the Jane and Goofy designed. That was last year's festive card is worth checking out. It's a way of rewarding yourself with the bit of a Merch from your faith pod but also it helps support the show because a good watch the cash goes to me. So yeah, if you do buy some, do take a photo and send. It to me or me and I would love see you wear your on the Ledge Merch and tell me what you think of it, and if you're a twitter may even then don't forget about houseplant tower nine o'clock es t that's five pm et you have to work out when that is in your time zone if that is neither of your time zones, but he's all achievers day. Nine hundred. And I would love you to join me to talk about house plants. It's just an escape from the rest of the world and chance to show off your bts and offered vice, and generally she the breeze with a blunt people's do join me for that every week you get bonus points if you to an opinion on the legend listener. Well. That's quite enough waffling for me. Let's hear from this week's listen. My name is m w Bartlett and I live in western Massachusetts in the United States. I've been enjoying Jane's PODCAST for a couple of years and my father's mother used to work at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden and my dad although he was a pathologist also loved and cared for plants all his life and I inherited their love for plants as has my oldest daughter. Question one isn't fun and all your loans. We. Want you grab? Is You escape? Save my one little CACTUS pop from my red headed Irishman cactus the original plant belonged to my grandmother and was over sixty years old. But last year it caught rot because I watered it more often than my dad had told me to. And I lost the whole thing except for six pups with which I tried various rooting method only one little pop survived. Question to what is your favorite episode of a ledge? Best my sound crazy. But my favorite episode was a soundscape that Jane did her potting shed. Sounds very important to me, and they can be either painful or soothing, and that one was really wonderful to listen to. Christian three. Names, do you see to impress people? well, I don't say it to impress people really but I like to say single neom film because there are so many common names for that plant that for me and my daughter and we're talking about plants it's easier to settle for that one. Question fool crush humiliation acid metabolism. Titian. Tation, definitely, it is beautiful especially when there's some light coming in through the window. Behind the drop of water at the end of the lease question five, would you rather spend two hundred pounds on a very gated monster? All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI. Would say I'd rather spend the money on CACTI I. Love CACTI. Won a stranger, the better and I'm really not a big fan of variegated plants. So there's my answer. What I love about listener is that everybody's answers are so different. So if you'd like to contribute align on the Ledge PODCAST G DOT COM. And who knows we could be hearing what you think about cassation. Very, soon Let me ask you a question what is in the night off. Probably, most of us would say, when asked this question? Might be we'd say Kaban maybe we'd say water. Nutrients. Silos. But I think very few of, US would mention silicon and yet silicon can make up. To, ten percent over leafs dry mass. The what exactly is silicon on? What role does it play in the life of leaves? In this third part of my occasional leaf botany series, I'm joined by applauds ecologists that spent a lot of her career finding out what silicon is all about my name's Julia Cook. Planned to colleges of myself as a plant functional color just because I'm interested in the role that different spacey's play in Ecosystems I work at the university as a lecturer. So my next year of teaching and research and public outreach. The really super obvious question to stop war exactly is. Silicon is, is sort of coming into its moment beat in terms of plants. So I'm not surprised that you haven't had too much about it, but I hope I hope you willing feature even more. So silicon is one of the elements sits on the periodic table below carbon and it doesn't easily exist just as plain silicon on earth. It's often silica glasses is silica or insulation. So it's as sadistic acid in in water. So it's it's often associated with oxygen, and then when it dissolves, it's it's sort of as component of water, but it's very, very abundant on earth in the in the cross it's the second most abundant element of oxygen silicon oxygen together a silica. Everywhere really do plants contains the uneasy something that's concentrated in particular plant tissues or residual spread around the hope loan. Yes. It is in old plants, but the mountain plants varies enormously. So some plants have have just miniscule amounts whereas others can have. Up Ten percent or even more in their in their plot tissue. So ten percent of their dry mass is a lot this. This is enormous amounts. If you think about how much not uniform Susana plant, the amount of silicon also can really exceed that some of the plants at a really big accumulators things like horse tails you can always feel how grain Ian they are when you run your hands up some some of the and some people actually use them as Sandpiper because they've got so much silica in them. Another family that has leads of silicon as the the grasses, some more than others but most crosses have quite a bit of silicon and sometimes you run your finger class blade and you get a little paper cut. and. That is because the edge of the Cross has a whole lot of little silica deposits on there, and that's designed to as a head of defense to damage the mouth parts of animals and stop animals eating it. But we see that as a paper cut on fingertips. That is amazing. Ten percent that's quite as you say, that's. A lot silicon. So what what, what's the role? Obviously, as you say, some more than others, what was the purpose of the silicon that's in our plants? That's great question because we're still learning about that I guess the simplest way to describe it seems to help plants manage a whole range of stresses. of its its main role seems to be stress alleviation so they is stresses can. Biotic or caused by things that are alive or can the Arctic so coast by by sort of environmental factors. So looking at the the biotech stresses so plants get eaten a lot by animals. And look for ways to or revolved a number of ways to defend themselves in silicon can be very important they for some animals so. Things, like stinging nettles when you get stung busting initial, the sting is essentially a little silica needle that that injects toxin into your skin. So without the Seneca, you probably wouldn't get stung busting missile they can be very abrasive. Surfaces can can be very bryce than damage the mouth parts of insects and possibly mammals. It can be layers of silicon within Leith that prevent animals from cheering all eating them as much as they might if they was nice elegant. So plants he silicon quite a lot as a head of defense and and Somerset is found that once the plant is attacked by Voles, some plants were able to then take up more silicon to protect themselves when they're under attack so it can be judged any juiced defense. On the other side looking at the environmental factors silicon has is shined to help a lot of different stresses I want to stress stress. It can help manage nutrient imbalances. help manage wind stress. Also two things if a plant stressed adding silicon generally helps some is a house plant grow this obviously immediately makes me think of my own selfish world. A think about. Whether I need to worry about the silicon in my plants. In the amount I have seen some fertilize houseplants recently advertising include silicon, making this making big play of this, but he's not something that's worth considering I how plows usually get this in the first place. So that's really interesting that you've change and I don't know if that because people making the fertilizers have appreciated the importance of silicon now owned adding more silicon over there reporting silicon that was always there I'm not sure. Suddenly silicon is applied losses of fertilizer in agricultural systems, particularly in Ross sugarcane where as as crops, harvested and things people removing silicon from the system in deflatingly available silicon. So it's it's becoming increasingly popular as infantilized in terms of. Indoor, plants. There's been a lot of work looking at indoor plant. Specifically I know there's a lot of work looking hydroponics and and sort of indoor plants way. Is Routinely added and very important as I. Think he will also ask how plants a obtained silicon. Plants take up silicon through the roots as dissolved in in the sole solution of the water solutions obviously gathered. And then that goes through the transpiration stream in than is deposited. Ole Throughout the plant often there's more in leaves. Oh, the sheets lays the plants, but they can be high silicon deposits in route sandbar can and woods end all sorts of places in Pont. One of the things not been sort of reading around the Internet these I noticed that it comes up a lot for cannabis websites and I guess that's one of the. Areas of she say indoor crops where people are trying to maximize their yields and it certainly seems to be something that kind of scrolls are hot on. So perhaps as often the case with house plans of these trends and ideas come from the cannabis growing industry, and then kind of trickle down to houseplants. So I'll be interesting to know if that is the case. In this one but yeah, certainly I've seen a couple of. Fertilizers that advertise they contain silicon. Part there's more chance. As you say, the the silicon is going to be depleted I mean whether it be reasonable silicon in an average potting mix that you might get but but that would be depleted over the course of of the plants life because you fit sat in the Saint Paul for several years. Different sales have different amounts of silicon in them in total but they all said varian helmet silicon is available for plants. So something like a vessel that's what. A vessel, Russell that might be quite new might have a lot of silicon that's available but a very old flawless heavily leached weren't much syndicate available and then importing makes us. I guess it depends what season Aaron. How much organic madison them what that organic matter is because the way silicon returns to the soil is the the plant dies and day comprises the silicon in the plot material is released back into the soil, and that recycles quite quickly actually and can be a better source of silicon than weathering rock surfaces and the the. Whites recycled is is really lovely because when Ken's deposited, it often forms the shape of the cell that it occupies or the gap between the cells that it's field, and so the syndicate bodies of forming plants are diagnostic of the type of plants that make them and these plant bodies or plant stones and when the Ganic Component decomposes, which is often quite fast often this silica part can persist for much longer. So archaeologists to actually quite interested in using these finalists or silica bodies to recreate pasta environments, things like that so in. In in houseplants really depends what the material in the soil is. And whether this could be quite high. There's lots of organic matter in there on this violets dissolving in recycling. But I have a time I. Think I've Long Time I, think he find it was depleted. Why is it? So it's been a bit of a mystery till two recently isn't just one of those things that people have bothered studying or is there any other reason in? A couple of reasons I suppose there's this sort of st much around that it. It wasn't clear that it might be limited in some areas and perhaps finally become limited. In in places like Ross Petty's where it might be an area that's Spain cropped for hundreds and hundreds of years and and with the same crop in the sign removal of of of grains and things ABC depletion. Ending in my systems just enough silicon around that people haven't noticed whereas when this line notch journal Life Fos Frus, it's very clear very quickly. I think also for a long time, people thought silicon was was just a waste product plants couldn't help taking it up and to do something with it. So they just deposited knaves and it was just sort of a storage thing because. Plants didn't know what else to do with it, but I mean plants don't do that. Do they don't just think holistically somewhere as a waste product they highly optimized. They've evolved to manage incredible situations and they really just do things because Sarah at. Misunderstandings about what's in what do what's left to learn about silicon obviously, lots of different avenues of research right now. But one of the key things that people don't yet know I think we still have an enormous amount to understand about how plants he's silicon valley silicon, four plants but some of the really big questions I think for me. Firstly, what are the cost of silicon for plot? So we were getting really good understanding of some of the benefits and why plants take-up silicon to to help protect against herbivores and to to manage a whole lot of stresses. But if if silicon was so amazing, then Weisensee silicon present in old plants in huge amounts. So they have to be some costs and we haven't quantify those costs in the same way that we've quantified the benefits. So we need to, we need to add in that part of the picture. I think we also read a lot that. Silicon is a structural component, so they ascend classic studies. From a long time ago that growing host house with taps on my silicon in them without silicon and they they just don't stand up in the same wiped dependent on silicon for the they kind of structure Anti people have taken this and run with it. Plots have a structure role. I mean silly can as a structural implants but beyond the. Wholesale Studies is actually very little evidence. So we don't we don't understand that and the final big thing big question for me is the relationship between silicon and carbon. So in nature, we don't see any chemical bonds between silicon and Kaban or even silicon carbon with an oxygen in between so that don't really interact with each other very closely and yet. We know how important combination plants and that everything has speaks of organic molecules in it. So how does the silicon fit into that picture I think that's really fascinating to find out to. I think it's brilliant a way saying silicon pop up more frequently when we're talking about plants and I think that will increase his way understand that plants use silicon and need silicon and so going back to. What you said earlier about noticing that silicon popping up on fertilizes I think it's so exciting in Cyber Lynton and hopefully when people talk about not June phosphorus so will increasingly silicon creeping there. Indeed. Well, thank you so much. Sharing your knowledge with us and yeah I'm I think everyone will be now checking the back of their fertilizer bottles to see if she gets mentioned. Thanks so much For joining me and if you're wondering what that fertilizer. Wars that had. Highlights in the presence of silicon. It's called Plug Magic. It's not a product of tried something I sold online or on a shelf somewhere, and it's I think mainly used by hydroponic grows but do have a look at your fertilizers and let me know if any aw selling themselves on the basis of silicon because it'd be really interesting to know, and if there's any other topics you'd like me to cover in this league botany series. Do let me know par four is going to be about pigment. So fast something you've been wondering about hang on because we'll get into that in our next leaf botany special, and now it's time for question of the week. And this one is in response to a couple of different queries that I've had recently about Brown spots on leaves. Now I have to admit the my heart slightly sinks when I see a question like this because there are also many different things that can cause damage to leaves. From physical. So your cat, a chlorine, your plant or Toddler he's so fascinated by the leaves they decided to tear hole in them. To Fungal conditions and of course pests and that makes diagnosing Brownlee problems. Quite tricky Barry Ain't got in touch with a question about a nearly unfold philodendron believe. Leaf and found that there was a translucent spot that feels almost like a blister on the leaf. Meanwhile, some accord lobster pot calling touch on instagram with a very similar question about Kulefa because there's was suffering some browning damage I'm looking at the pictures of these very different plants in occurred to me that the problem was still the same and it's this lots of us have been experiencing very very halt. Days an intense sun. It's the time of year in the Northern Hemisphere for that to happen but it can totally catch you out if you are a new person to plants I in fact, it's still catching me out to this day. What am I saying it's one of those things that does happen your plant is in the same position it's always being and suddenly is getting bird what's going on well. When. The Sun is really intense. Even plants that have been used to that particular setting. When you get those really incredibly bright days can suffer from someone. Particularly, those young leaves that haven't really had a chance to build up much of a resistance against the strong sunlight and Bam Brown spots are the result. The other aspect of someone damage that the plot struggles more when it's very very dry. So if you've got plants that really dry soil plus really intent sunshine, that is the worst case scenario and the most likely case for somebody was happening when the leaf get someone will it's basically the pigment chlorophyll is just being destroyed by the the the strength, the sun and you end up with these kind of like. Blustery Brown bleach she areas and a garage need as they dry out, they'll become sort of like a light brown tissue paper basically. The other thing that tends to happen is people will have a lovely cactus or succulent, which is doing really nicely on their sunny window sale and they'll think, oh, I'll give my plant a treat and take it outdoors and put it in my sunniest corner of my pack Patio Balcony or whatever, and then suddenly the plant. Looks very distressed in his coveting brown mocks and it's mysterious because, of course, stop lawns a cactus or succulent, and they've been highlight conditions. How can this be happening? Well, in that case, the plant is adapted to the virus that you've had it infamy weeks or months, and subtly moving it to the sunniest spot in your outside space is a very, very different environment and you will find the plants will burn even if they're doesn't plots, it's like me sitting inside with no sun exposure for six months and then going outside into my garden and sitting there one o'clock in the afternoon for an hour and expecting that my small amount of Italian. Jeans are GonNa save me from being burned. Not The case. whereas. If I had been slowly building my slim sun exposure overs may months and then I went outside and sat outside in the garden. I'm less likely to turn out looking like a bright red lobster. If Act as lobster pope replied on her instagram, the Sun Trudy is a deadly laser skincare and plant communities agree on this point indeed. So when you've got plants inside and they're in exactly the same spot, but it's a very, very intense period of hot weather it is worth considering moving them to Amo- shady spots, and if you've got highlight plants like CACTI succulents. And you want to move them outside you do need to do that Crutchley moved them to a shady spot I because the intensity of the some outside is far greater than is inside inside. There's lots of things blocking that light from coming through a full pelt outside none of that protection exists you can also get more wind damage outside. And then that's adding to the clouds distress to so for indoor plants that you decide to move outside, just gradually increase the exposure start off in a shady spot outside unindo plants, move them somewhere in less light. There are things you can do if you don't want to move your plan. If you've got a particularly big specimen, you're thinking oh my gosh I can't pam go anywhere else to put this. Then you could always do things like pudding an old net curtain over it. That's not going to be heavy enough to do any damage the plot, but is just going to filter out that strongest light during the heat of the day. Of Sleep, you can also pull curtains or blinds or any kind of barrier stuck in front of your plan the that will protect it from the heat of that son when you've got when you know you've got a heat wave coming in the sun's GonNa be particularly intense undecided news with sunburn or any other form of leaf damage really is at the leaf is not going to recover. The leaf will always looked like that. Now in a plan, like a Rosette forming succulent in a way that's the best case scenario because the way the Rosette grows the leaves the damage to gradually grow out with, and then can be removed if you go something. Like a Swiss cheese plant than it's a toss up as to whether the you cut away that leaf and remove all together or just leave it there and let other new leaves come along and cover over the embarrassing burns. It's really up to you how you want to deal with it and how bad the down the years if you're worried about identifying the difference between leaf damage browning caused by lack of humidity and leave damage through sunlight usually the sunlight damages kind of anywhere on the leaf, but the humidity damage will normally be at the tips or sometimes the edges of the leaf. So that's generally how you can tell what's been going on. And how do you know that? Your plant is in a position where it's going to get somebody in the first place. Well, you if got a light meter of any kind, then you can measure the different lights in different areas of the Rubio really just use your eyes and your observational skills to observe. This of the first thing to say is, is it south facing? That's going to be the most intense on coming from that direction west facing is second-strongest then he's facing the north. Facing. But he's also question how big a window is whether there's any obstacles in the way. So for example, if you've got bookshelves that are blocking the light from coming in and making a plant further way not get so much light or you've got a net curtains or any kind of blinds up with a window, all of those be taking away life from the plant I. Guess The lesson of all of this is that you just can't sit on your laurels when it comes to your house plants. Things are changing all the time from the season's to your own individual plants stage of growth. So. Is All keep close on your plants and you'll notice any changes quickly and be able to respond. Obviously, life doesn't always allow that the case. So don't beat yourself up when your plant gets a little bit Somboon Wall picks up a few bugs. The main thing is how you respond to those challenges and get your house Franz. Truck. That's all for this week showed. Thanks to my guest, Dr Julia Cook, and my listen and W for joining me this week. I'll be back next Friday with another episode but until then on channeling the words, the eagles take it easy. Take it easy. Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy. See Next Friday Music you heard this episode whereas Roll Jordan Roll by the joy trump's. An. Instrument. Happy Connors by Samuel Corwin. Sundown by Joshua. The APP music was whistling Rufus by the halftime. 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Episode 129: OTL Sowalong part one - growing ferns from spores
"The Hello It's on the Ledge Episode One hundred twenty nine. I am so excited about this episode on kicking off the Ledge so along this week talking to burn expert Peter Blake about growing ferns from spores and the monitoring a listener question about top tactics for going to plant shows. Sharpener elbows. People's buying season is just around the corner and we'll be meeting listener. Lemos shoutouts before we get started. Thanks to shell born and Joe for becoming on the Ledge Super Fans Bryant has become a legend and thanks to Mitch for upgrading to become an agenda and thanks to Takeda. That's the name of a wonderful little animation firm who has become a crazy plump person if you WANNA find out how to support on the ledge fire Patriot and a one off donation via Ko if you so choose. The details are in the show notes. Jane Perron Dot Com. The on the Ledge. So long is now in its third year. Can you believe that? And the idea for those of you. He may be new to the show. It's quite simple. Eight is our way of getting to know our House. Plants better by growing them from seed. How did he join in well? All you have to do is listen to the episodes. Think about what kinds of plants to grow. Get your seed and then report back on how. You're getting along on the sewing front via your social media method of choice. You could get in touch with me on. Facebook has plot fans of on the ledge is our facebook group. You could also tack on Instagram. J. L. DOT. Perron tweet me Jane Perron or send me an email at on the ledge dot com on all be reporting on how people are getting on with this in the next few weeks months. Do take a look at the show notes where you can see all of the on the ledge so long episodes. I've ever done in one page and there's all kinds of useful stuff in there like where to get seeds from what equipment you're going to need and how to get started. I'll be covering the so along in various ways in the coming weeks but this first episode is answering demand that many of you have heard which is for information on propagating funds and this isn't so much of so long as a spore along because as we'll be finding out from an expert. Peter Blake growing new baby. Funds isn't quite the same as sowing seeds of other plants. If you're wondering why on earth you'd ever bother with growing houseplants from C. Because hey it's easy enough to walk into your nearest Garden Centre or Plant. Btk and pick up full-size plants Let me just explain I? It's cheap and if you're the kind of person who doesn't have a lot of extra income to splash out on buying plots then you can pick up a range of house. Plants CPAC is for a few pounds or dollars or whatever your local currency may be and you can get from that packet a large number of plants which then you could sell give to friends and family or just keep to turn your home into a tangle jungle so it's a cheap way of getting lots of lovely plants it also really gives you fantastic insight into how those plots grow plus rather than buying a plant in a nursery. That's been called within an inch of its life in the APP sleet computer controlled perfect environment. You'll be bringing up a plant in your own home which will be adapted to your conditions. That said there are some drawbacks. It does take up a fair bit of room. You may need a few bits of equipment and you'll need a specially formulated potting. Mix Feed your seeds to go into. We'll be looking at there's aspects of the so long in upcoming episodes but as I say to get in touch. Tell me how your plants growing on the you've sewn in previous oh lungs and what else. You'd like to know because there's still plenty of time to contribute. I spoke to Peter Blake who has many of experience with Ferns to find out how it's done. Here's Peter to introduce himself pharmafirm enthusiast. Who's been growing fans for about fifteen years now? Both hardy ferns in the And tender tropical ferns in glasshouses. I've been in the British territory Logical Society. Which is the basically the fern society for the UK For that length of time and I've had a great deal of help and support through then And also have had a lot of sports from them because they operate a spaw exchange system at the beginning of each year. I guess this is kind of Botany Wanna one. But why are we propagating funds from spores and not from seeds? Can you just explain? Explain that to us. Because not everyone's going to know the the reproductive processes of the Fund particularly well pearn saw unusual and they'll basically quite primitive plants along with a number of other spore producing plants like mosses but they all vascular plants so they're a bit more advanced to the mosses but what they do is they produce a spool which is very small and light and can travel a long way. The Fun self that we're used to seeing in the Gulf and or an apart- he's actually a plan that has no gender. It's not the male no female and dispositive producers Equally male and female. But those little spores if they learned in the right place will cause a second plant to grow which scientifically is called a domestic fights or a pro selous and that little plant which most of people have not ever recognized because they're so small actually is a sexual plant and it has both male and female sex organs. The male sex organs are called the answer India and the female sex organs are cold. They ought to go near an effect effectively. The anterior produced little swimming things like sperm and they travel through a film of Water Which is why the profile. I need I'm to grow And they traveled through that film of water to the goon. Yeah where they will search allies an egg in in that place and Once the eggs fertilized begin to divide and we'll grow into a new phone which will look like once used to seeing so the sexual pulse of life cycle is by faith. Life Cycle is the domestic flights and the SX. You'll part the part that produces the spoils is cool. So let me. It sounds complicated. It's a system that's worked very well for Ferns for the last three hundred and fifty million years so it it certainly ineffective system indeed and it's something that is new to many of us who've perhaps grown plants from seed. The procedure is a little bit different. How do we know? First of all that a firm is ready to be harvested for spores. Firm can carry spools in a number of ways. It's always on a front. Which is what we call leaf. Basically we call them friends Unusually for particularly for the funds that we see as natives in the UK Those fronts look very much all the same whether they carry spores or not And so if you turn the front over on just playing green on the back they probably don't go to any sports if you turn the from Dover and look at the back of an east coverage and little brown spots then those what's cool soreye and those are the little collections that actually contain the spores. Some funds will get a completely separate type of front looks different from the rest of the of the plant to carry those balls in Sarai these little collections and ones that do things like Royal Sun which you sometimes see growing next to water middle. Have a big plume in the middle Covered in Soreye. And you can sit because as a golden brown coal aware of the rest of the plant is green. But generally for most funds that we come across commonly the Sore I carrying this buzzer on the back of the front. If they're very young Soraya not ripe yet they will appear white or Pale Green when they're just coming to the right sorts of ripeness to collect them they turn the sorts of time. Color generally wind up going over and released that Spos- they've gone. They don't Brown. What actually happens in that Source is the source contain lots of little containers which could spur NGO which actually contain the spores and those Speranza when they're ripe. If the winds dries little bits will burst open. And actually fire the spoils out so if you take a Franz where you're beginning to see the Tan colored Soraya on the back and you put on a piece of white paper in a warm dry place like the iron covered or in the dining room table or something like that whether or not drafts. If you need to overnight in the morning if you lift front off you will find that there was a person of Sarai on the paper where the sprint. You have phya down the schools. And they've actually hit the paper and stuck to it so you can get the very nice sorts of shadow picture of the front just may down to the poor scientists released. And what if you are a person he really wants to stop propagating so I but you don't have any funds of the type you want. I know the British society does this scheme which is brilliant a reason to join the society which presumably means you can apply for spores from different species. Yes obviously they can distribute those have been given. So it's a tax system people have to contribute spores and then they will divide them up into tiny little packets. And you'll I think there's nothing in that but in fact there is because of course spills so absolutely minute you can't see them And it's only when you get a lot of them pushed together that you actually see. See that the spoils there. But you'll get in this little packets which you can then so into compost In this society we have a lot of members who do collect spores both natives spores for implants integrate gardens but also from glasshouses tropical houses. And we also have overseas members of society who contributed sports as well. So I would say that. Generally that's something between probably about three or four hundred different varieties available Obviously this is for the members and it is on a first-come-first-served basis once the list is opened at the beginning of the year. It sounds fantastic. And it's great to hear that you've got members from outside the UK. Because I know lots of my listeners are not from the UK so that's great to hear that he can get involved too. I have seen a few listings on Ebay for a sports regime. If they're reliable source I mean. Obviously that's a big big if because obviously as we know there are lots of not so genuine sources of of certainly seeds on Ebay but visually. That's okay you can send these boys through the Post successfully and purchased some that way. If you for some reason they want to join the society. Yes I mean. In general the ones you see available commercially tends to be rather Well I could say boring rather rather mundane ferns and also of course the funds that produce also sports because you commissioner. You don't want to be dealing with something. You only get twelve package out of it to be dealing with something where you could make up hundreds of packets so the ones available commercially tends to be tree. Ferns which of course because of the size can carry a many grams. Of of spoils on them. You can haul this large quantities Then divide them up into the loves but Generally they tend to be the the raw the larger spoil. Rich rather mundane certain I've tried growing them. From commercials spoils in the past and had some success but it hasn't been universally successful. Nothing is universally successful of course in horticulture culture. You can you know some things will grow and some things. Why haven't I think that generally so long as they've been kept as well then you know it's worth having good go They do not too long time. I've certainly grown funds from spores that I think probably about fifty years old But for most firms you can certainly grow them for two. Or THREE YEARS. After they've been harvested Especially if you keep them somewhere cool and dry Upton so or in the fridge or something like that They will. They will last a long time. What's the next step? You can be very purist and you can try to sift the sports to get out any rubbish in other ways of Speranza. Bits of of from months dropped off I haven't done that very much myself because you lose an awful lot of sports in the process of sifting them but those that do it for the road for the British Terry Logical Society. Certainly do sift the sports To make sure that there is the other little bits in there at all. The reason you do that is because sports themselves very small if you get other contaminants in Which a bigger than those not wrought and starts to produce Molds or other infections in your culture medium and the culture medium. You won't see us for this is actually virtually anything. You won't try because those Pro Thala. That's going to grow from the spoils. I'm actually not very fussy about where they grow the bits. That's a Fussy All this spira fights in other words. The young ferns grow from the profile lie. So it's all you do is I use potting compost. Which I sterilize. I sterilize it by wetting it. I put in a small tupperware container with the loose lid on it and then I'm microwave it and all things it's one minute on high and Waits until it steam and bubbles And then take it out. Make sure it's cool. It's completely Also make sure that the legislatives because if the if the lid sucks onto the top of the container while while the shrinking when it's cooling down you won't get the lid off again so You just have to make sure it's a bit loose. Let it cool down and then you can. So you're spores and try not to so them too thickly it Ju- they just need a few remember that you can't really see these things and You tend to find that you you over plant you get a big clump. Won't corner where you get so many pro thalys that they sort of crowns each other out. So you tried to get to Finn even spread over the compost. At that point you stick the little and make sure you label it because they can take a long time to come up and these pro lie and you won't remember what seem what parts otherwise in which false so label it have a good archiving system And then you put aside and weights and I put them aside guest bathroom which we've got in the house With an led lights on Over them and I just leave them. And you just keep looking every now and then to see whether anything's happening and if things go well you will begin to see tiny tiny. Little Green Dots of the pro style is growing. And that can be anywhere between six weeks after sowing under your after serving so you might have to keep these boxes alone time Before you decide that actually nothing's going to come up so it's a bit of a patient's game which I'm not particularly good at being patient but at least there's not a great deal of maintenance to worry about in the meantime is temperature. Is it just within the usual range of room temperature will talking about yes? I mean it depends what you're growing. Obviously if you something Tropico then you won't have to the you know well. Well heated room If growing native ferns you might just have them in and outside greenhouse or in the garage. Something like that The pro-style I do need some light but not direct light. If they get direct lights probably get too hot and dry out or they'll just cook so They really need indirect light In a place in my case I say the upstairs bathroom which isn't very much. He's probably about fifteen degrees so most of the winter and has a skylight and smelly delightful. How do you decide to babies of ready for planting out? They can certainly sit and soak for a year. Sometimes they can sit and so for two years so you may not actually see a proper fun growing for two to three years after you've sown your original sports and then the question whether you've got the patients to wait for them Or whether you think this is a waste of time. Let's put them in the compost. It's really up to you. Depends on how much space you've got an how valuable treasure you think that you're trying to grow as if it's something you really want until they sort of you get a lot of leeway and giving it time to come up but generally. I pump them out when they're about two to three centimeters high. I plant I mean literally individual containers and keep them in a plastic shoebox with the lid closed and points. I moved them into an ordinary conservatory. Where they do get diurnal rhythms daylights. But that's still warm and of course having lived on that keeps them as one hundred percent humidity and at that point. You're then watching to see when they get big enough to begin to open. The LID on a bit usually once thereabouts. Probably four five cents. He meets this high. You can open the cool note if the shoe plastic shoebox and the Irun and they will begin to heart some more resilient than others. They're not the easiest things to grow on. Its that point of hardening off where things can go wrong. Basically you always trying to do too quickly or you don't do it quickly enough. And they all say the points at which they begin to be more fussy about the substrate that growing on so if you're growing acid loving and they'll begin to one that sorts of compost when the sorts of four or five centimeters high. If if you're growing limestone funds they will Won't that when they get into that. Sorta cise unequally figuring something like EPA fights they will need a well drained compost From the points at which that four or five centimeters so that that tends to be the point at which you find you lose things But often you'll get a few survivors. Even if you lose a lot and the end of the day you know. How many do you want Do you really won't be growing hundreds and hundreds of the same thing because you will get hundreds and hundreds So I I try to keep myself in check and not Grove and ten of anything I would imagine that liked growing houseboats from see that if you can get them past that tricky halting offstage that hopefully given given the wave brought them up there actually growing adapted your conditions from the possibly an rather than buying immature and that's been very much cuddled greenhouse that might immediately go plunk. You might have more chances of success. Yeah so I think so So that's a a an awful lot of these particular tend to for Come from Holland and places like that where they have been grown. Hydroponically really Often with artificial lights and Foglia feeding and I think we've all had the experience of Buying Beautiful Shiny Green Fund from the Garden Center. That lasted about ten days. And you'd have you plenty towns and it just dies and of course it's because that just having such an enormous change in the growing environment just a complete shock for them so growing your own means you can pull them up they don't get popped bound And does you say they become used to the climate? They're going to be growing in as adults found that inspiring. And if you want to check out the British territory logical society link to their website is in the show notes and it's worth taking a look because there are full instructions that on propagating funds from spores ad also details of their spore scheme and how to become a member and a new episode of an extra for becoming out shortly containing a bit of extra chat with Peter. About some of the easier and hardy offensive words and also his technique for growing those Ozo- tricky maiden headphones. And now it's time for question of the week which comes from botanical aspirations on instagram. I love this question. The minute are read it my new. I had to share with you because it's really topical. One botanical aspirations says they go to their first plant slash flower show over the weekend and after some advice on how to go attending an event like this they wanted to check out displays and buy some plants. So does the buying happen at the beginning or the end. Do you stop yourself from Boeing. The whole show What do you carry the plants around in top? Tips are clearly required here. So I'm botanical aspirations. I am just the person to ask this question to you because I've been to many a show and experienced the stresses and strains is whether the delights of buying plants and now it's really the start of the show season in many parts of the world so it's a really good time to ask if you've never been to a plot. Show out edgy again. Along to one in twenty twenty whether it's a huge national show like the Chelsea flower show or something happening in a village hall near You. It doesn't matter. The size is a chance to really eke out about plants and many other enthusiast and sometimes get your hands on some really nice rare and beautiful and well grown plants. If you're looking for some rainy choices super rare things going to specialist show like a cactus show or an orchid show. Then the key thing is that you get the noise at early because you need to be there at the front when the doors opened because these things can be complete fights the more research you can do before we get there the better so if you know the list of sellers who are going to be their research what they might have the map or email them and ask them what stock they're gonNa have the show and you then we'll go in really well informed about what you're looking for and you can make a beeline for the sellers that you're you want and you'll know hopefully where they are. Oftentimes the biggest shows will have a map showing the layout. Who's where again. Consult that before you go any make a beeline for that seller that you really want. If like me you're generally going in and you just going nuts about everything. Don't have anything in particular you're looking for. I advise checking out all the stores before he buying thing. Sometimes the best all those run by the plant societies rather than the commercial nurseries. Because they'll have really nice. High-quality plants sometimes slightly better price. So do look around every corner. Sometimes the the special is hidden away. Somewhere in the corner of the marquee or the event call so look around thirty first before you buy anything because it's a bit disheartening. If you buy a small specimen of something for quite a lot of money and then go around the corner and see a much bigger plant of the same species for a lower price. Yes it's happened to me. Do Check your plants as just as you would. If you're buying them from a plant boutique and a nursery. Because you do find that sometimes these plants will have problems and the not necessarily going to be free of pests so check them in the way that you would do any plant you buy and the usual quarantine rules apply once you get them high was well bring along something to take your plants home in a cactus sales. This is usually a sort of a plastic handle truck or one of those trays that you see free markets plastic blue plastic trays something. You can hold easily and put lots of plants into safely so they won't tip over and you will be able to have a hand free to make other purchases. If you've got one of those foldable shopping trolleys. These are really great for these kinds of shows particularly. If you're looking at bigger plants that way you can put the plants into that shopping trolley and we'd along any you're back we'll pay thank you for it. If the weather isn't great I would also advise. I mean this is ridiculous cold and Wet and you're bringing home very sensitive. Tender plants may bring a bit of horticultural fleece because not all sellers do a great job of wrapping plants and there's nothing worse than getting home and realize plots been damaged in transit either by being knocked or by being exposed to coach drafts. And I'm going to guess the other danger that botanical aspirations. This as pointed out here is that you just end up spending a fortune it shows. The risk is real people. It is a thing that happens all the time. There's a few ways around this. I would say if you're really worried about overspending on your on a strict budget. Don't bring any college with you. Just bring cash for one thing. A lot of vendors will accept cards. But some won't so if you don't have cash you may miss out with some of the smaller nurseries or hobbyist growers who are selling it shows and if you've got cash wants US run out it's run out. There's nothing more you can do yet. That's one possibility. Just bring cash just to have a list before we go in of what you want to buy and tried to resist the impulse. Buy Although I do know. That's very very hard. Sometimes now the only show. I know of where you can't actually boy. The plots on the nursery soils is the Chelsea flower show and in fact this is good timing because I have an announcement related to the Chelsea Flasher to give you very excited to announce that I am going to be part of the Chelsea. Flower shows brand new toolbox program which is happening for the first time in. The show's very exciting. And I'm going to be interviewing a certain Mr James Wong on the Friday of the show. That's the twenty second of May at three o'clock in the talks. Data this particular defense so you will need to get your ticket link in the show notes where you go to get. Chelsea flasher tickets. I'm also really lucky that I have got a couple of tickets for a giveaway now. I decided I want a real genuine on the legend. Now to get these tickets so I am going to want to give away on the show. I'm not going to mention it on social media so you have to be genuine listener to get these tickets and I will put the term full terms and conditions into the show notes. Our work that out in the next week so hopefully next week's episode will be the one to listen to number one hundred thirty and I will tell you how to enter and this is your chance to go to the Chelsea flower show on Friday. The twenty second of May and that means you can come and hit me in the talks data talking to Jank swoon. Some people have asked me if I'm going to be putting that show out as a recording. I'm waiting to hear back on that at the moment as you may know the BBC has a contract to broadcast the show to the masses. So the organizers are checking with the BBC. Whether they're happy for me to record the interview with James and out on the podcast. I will let you know as soon as I can. I know lots of he won't be able to make it to the show. So that would be lovely to bring you that interview. But that's really a decision that's out of my hands is up to the BBC and the Chelsea Flower show organizers to make a ruling on that one so I will let you know but exciting giveaway next week so tune in next week for that and I will be bringing you some more announcements of upcoming talks in the next few weeks. Do check out my website for a list of all the talks. I'm currently booked for you'll find Jane. Perron dot com forward slash talks. Anyway enough of that the anytime you can buy plants at Chelsea is the Saturday of the show. Which is the grand selloff. In the afternoon there. Is this mad rush. It's a crazy crazy event. You need to be prepared to come with sharp elbows and an fight fee some good plants. Just don't impulse buy that six foot students here without thinking about where it's GonNa go and how you're going to get it on the underground system. The sale usually kicks off around four o'clock. I've got a memory of Alan tich marsh the very famous British Garden Gardening. Tv person ring a bell other. That's still happens but that's how it used to be. And it's something like something out of a horticultural horror movie people leaving over one. Another trying to get the best plants if you like. That kind of thing is fun. But it's not something where you'll be able to know what you're getting in advance so you gotta have nerves of steel for that one. I also get into the Chelsea flower show which is not that easy for all of us. It's quite a obviously the world's most famous flower show and therefore very much in demand so back to advice on going to plant shows I would say make sure you bring water and food of your own. If you possibly can two reasons for this one you won't have to waste time queuing to get to the front of the Food. Stall to buy your food. Also theory thing like me and you have an issue becoming angry when your blood sugar drops yes. I am the ultimate hungry person. Has Anyone he spent any time with me. We'll know you need to have a few snacks to keep me going when you're actually shopping and you don't need to be stopping every five minutes to go to the nearest kebab stole or whatever they're offering probably won't be a Kebab Stola. Probably something akin store or something like that but if you bring your own water and food then that will make your life easier. The other reason to bring your own food is that some shows are still really behind the times when it comes to single use plastic. A lot of the food stores will still be using some use plastic. And you know it's best to avoid that. Let's try to. Let's not have single use plastic in our lives so we can combat that is bring a picnic. Bring bottles of forty yourself blows shows will let you bring those in and that way you can enjoy your own food without worrying. A load of plastic is headed for landfill as a result of your attending that show. Ideally if you've got a partner or friend he's not interested implants as quite willing to be parked under a tree within of marks and Spencer. Ready Made Pink. Gin and tonic and their favorite book. That is the ideal person to take a lot because then you can leave plants that you've bought with them leave them with all the food and the stuff so you've got your hands free for plot shopping and they'll have a lovely day reading their book and chilling out on you can enjoy the plants In safe in the knowledge that the rest of your stuff is being looked after by somebody. That's not possible. Some plug fares have got plant crashes and the idea there is ego and place your purchases in a secure area While you wonder around sometimes they offer donations charity or the small fee. It's actually doing this but it really is great. If you're going to a big show way you're buying big plants at the beginning of the day That you want to get hold off before Stocks Ran. Low what you can do those plants. All dates of the plant crushes a great option. Dazzle said make sure you get a map in as you get there not before so you know exactly way going with toilets are important things like that really crucial and where. The food is also on a practical note. Do Wear sunscreen and a hat if it is anything other than the darkest of days because I know from gangs. Chelsea and spending all day outside the even. If you don't think it's that sunny you will get sunburned spending all day outside. If like me you spend most of your days in office Not In Natural. Light so yeah. Sunscreen is essential sunhat. Make sure you got plenty of water. Some Sun let your mom now but you know what I mean. Just take care of yourself because there's nothing worse than coming home from show. We've had great fun and then realizing that you look lager beetroot. Because you didn't put any sunscreen on. Take him up on a long. It's often the case. The wifi reception is known existence. So don't necessarily expect to be uploaded to instagram. But you can use your mobile to your advantage. Take pictures of the stores that you particularly like he might be that you can take pictures of logo so you remember what you wear so that when you come home you can keep a record of that. That's always useful to know if there's any problems with your plants down the line and if you run out of money you can also then take photos of those lovely plants that you wish you could buy so that you've got a note of what you want to get in future but also did talk to the stall holders themselves often. They've gotten absolute founded knowledge on the plants that they're selling so if in doubt do ask questions and ask for advice that way you will get a really good insight into the plants. You're buying I'm just. Lastly if you are going to a show do mention it on the FACEBOOK GROUP. House plant fans of on the ledge. Because that's a great way of setting up a little meet up so if you're going to one of those shows on your own and thinking that you might like of a chat with the like minded plant person then that is the way you find somebody who's going also and I'd love to hear about some planty meet ups happening this summer at the shows. I hope that has given you some suggestions botanical aspirations for your very first plant show and I hope it's great fun if you're heading to a plant show this year then enjoy and what we're talking about shows just reminded that I'm GonNa be Future Flora at the ace hotel in shortage in London on the twenty second of March. That's a Sunday and I'd love to see there. That's going to be a number of sellers of both plots and accessories. So I'd love to me if you're going along let me know and we will meet. I will have some stickers on hand for any listener that comes up to me and tells me they're fan of on the ledge it. He's got a question for me. Then drop me a line on the podcast at gmail.com and now it's time to meet and listen to this weekend. His name is memo Jane. My name is Emma. I've been an avid listening for quite a while. Now to your podcast and after say Bake Fan. It's definitely something that has helped me get back into my love of house plants which Kinda started at a very young age from the actually. I think at that age around five or six. I was back home. I'm originally from Cyprus. And then what we class now is. House plants here for clients that we just had out on the balcony year round and as a small child. My mother gave me the task of watering the plants. And I think that's probably when I caught the bug to be fair and it's something that I kind of stopped doing for a long time and not being into houseplants as much as I was and then my other half mentioned when I started buying a few houseplants fat last year. That just like Oh. It's nice to see you back into something that you enjoyed so much and I think the rest essentially is history. Now I think close to two hundred and fifty house plants and definitely still growing question. Want there's a fine and all your loans are about to burn. We want you grab. Does you escape so actually. If there's a fire and I need to grab one of my clients I say escape out the door. This is a bit of a loaded question. It kind of depends on what plan is caught my fancy at that particular moment in time. I think at the moment though and it has been like for a while now it probably be one of my variegated monasteries. It's definitely WANNA clogs. The took me the longest to find and I wouldn't want to be searching for it again. Question two what is your Lever Episode of on the Ledge? Now the favourite episode that I have on the ledge unfortunately or fortunately is what was voted by everybody I think is one of the most popular episodes. It was definitely the hoyer episode. Now is a genus plants that have never seen before in my use essentially when? I was first getting towns plans. But it's definitely something I've really kind of fool and into quite heavily and it all started with a Hoyer Bello where I'll just have. I'll try this one and I think I'm probably at about twenty five thirty odd. Hoyas at the moment so definitely the episode from the question three which Latin named to impress people now the Latin name that I use impress most people. I think is probably going to be the same as most people. But it's definitely going to have to be the pitiful fool crash elation acid metabolism in contention. Definitely if I had to choose between the two ago for crash elation. Acid metabolism are always wrong or as we used to say in my biology clauses. When I was younger it'd be the CAM photosynthesis I think. Definitely my choice would be acid metabolism mainly because it means the you can have some Olson House plants in the room that you sleep win. And they're constantly pumping in more oxygen as sleeping great question five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on variegated monster all two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI? I think this is an interesting one because I definitely wouldn't go for the twenty interesting CACTI again. I was born and raised in an area of the world where cactuses succulents abundance. Oh it's nothing that special for me and I do already have a couple of variegated monster. Please don't give me too much hates but I think if I had two hundred pounds suspend I'd probably go for something that I've been looking for for a long time but cannot find in the UK. Which is the Philodendron Dark Lord? If you haven't checked it out. Denney just have a look on instagram. Definitely speaks to my gothic roots. Philodendron Dark Lord. I'm just looking at it now online. And that's a stunner good choice memo and thank you because now I've got another plan on my wishlist. If you WANNA be on meet the listener then do drop me a line and the best place to drop that line is on the Ledge podcast at g mail DOT com. Well we're more or less wrapped up this week show but I wanted to end on a little note of celebration. I'm celebrating an anniversary today. It's three years ago exactly to the day. Since the very first episode of on the Ledge podcast was launched into the ether it was a show about terrariums and listening back now I cringe a tiny bit but actually it stands up fairly well to the test of time since that date. On the latest built into a wonderful of houseplant lovers from all around the globe from Chile to Canada Sweden to South Africa and producing. This podcast has been the most satisfying and challenging three years of my professional life constantly humbled and ordered by the dedication passion knowledge and kindness of all you listeners. Who have found me and my show at some point in the last three years so thanks to everyone of you. And here's too many many more years of on the Ledge and with that our show see you next week long fans for more on edge so long funds by the music you heard in. This week's episode was roles. Auden rolled by the joy drops an instrument. The boy called Happy Day. 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"Among other things the partial government shutdown affected aviation security, though, fears of another shutdown have eased fears of security problems have not NPR's David Schaper reports throughout the reason. Five week partial government shutdown air, traffic controllers continued to work without getting paid until day thirty five that's when a handful of controllers called in is unable to work at two east coast air traffic control facilities short the FAA had dramatically slow air traffic in the heavily congested northeastern US airspace. Grounding planes at New York's LaGuardia and other airports lengthy flight delays and cancellations mounted and within a few hours, President Trump and congress finally ended the shutdown but only for three weeks. This is all just abysmally stupid. Oregon democrat Peter defazio chairs the house transportation committee. It's absolutely absurd to think that we're going to allow another shutdown of air, traffic control and the. FAA defazio wants to insulate the FAA and keep its employees working and paid during a shutdown. We collect the tax every day and that tax was collected every day during the shutdown and went into the airport and airway trust fund, we should just allow the agency to draw on that trust fund and never shut down. Again, depaz you'll has a Bill to do just that. And his committee is holding a hearing on today, but the legislation cannot become on time to prevent another possible shutdown this weekend, and that's raising safety concerns. Again. Mike Perron is president of the union representing airplane inspectors, safety technicians and other regulators every day that goes by that people are not working doing their jobs or doing on a stressful conditions, the possibility of safety being eroded is definitely there. And if airline crews believe safety is compromised, they won't fly says Sarah Nelson of the association of flight attendants flight attendants are going to watch very carefully. And we are not going to come to work in an unsafe system. The flight attendants and other unions are planning rallies in the coming days in hopes of increasing pressure to avert another shutdown. David Schaper, NPR news. This message comes from NPR sponsor. Comcast business. Business has always been driven by innovators. That's why Comcast business is helping you with technology that provides better experiences. Comcast business beyond fast.
Episode 56 More Than a Fairytale: How We Help People Retire Happily Ever After
"Welcome to your retirement solution. Podcast imagine the value in knowing exactly what day you could retire and have the income you want it for the rest of your life. Listen on to explore the strategies that are designed to set you on track to living your happily ever after in retirement now onto the show. Hello and welcome to another retirement solution. Podcast you know. What are the great things about podcasting with the retirement? Solution is all of the great stories that they have about people's lives that they've changed that they've helped through their planning process. And today we've got Matt Perron and he is going to do the same thing. We're going to talk today about some of the client things that he's had a some of the meetings said he's had recently and how they're planning process and into relationship that they build with their client really truly helps them achieve their goals so matt welcome to the show. Thanks glad to be here. Okay brother will. We are preparing for the PODCAST. I ask you think of a couple of different clients that you've had some good meetings with. Where would you like to start? So why don't we start with Take this story We'll we'll call them. Jack and Jill okay Let's start off with but we just finished their plan We just got them started off to the races. They finish their planning process a couple of weeks ago. So how long did the process take? And what are what are some of the sorts of things that came up? When you were working with Jack and Jill that you think our audience should know about. Yeah they were really an interesting case when When I first met with them they were pondering. Retirement weren't sure if that was possible. They had a broker that they had been working with for several years but they were never comfortable with the advice. They were getting because the broker and and this is very common in my experience the broker was all about the market and and just keeping everything and and the stock market which in retirement just about a place to be. I've seen that ruin people's retirements back. So but what the broker would tell them China time again is yep as long as the. Market's doing good You'll be fine. You can retire and their question to him naturally was full but what about when correction happened. He said well. You know we'll just we'll see we'll we'll talk about it then. There was never really a a good answer so when we started meeting about finding ways to you know make sure that your retirement works without input from the market without making sure that the stock market determines whether you have the day or not that just resonated with them and they weren't sure how it was possible but we talked to him Did our our bucket planning and and all those things and just it made sense. That was always happy for them. And then when we were done we had our spinal meeting. They call it our launch meeting because we're launching them up into retirement and You know we're sitting there talking and reviewing the punky remember. Here's how this is. Set up okay. Are you guys ready? And I was sitting there in this in this mood of excitement and energy and and and they felt the two but there was also this sense of relief and even emotion That felt overcome them and they were. They were looking at each other and their tears. Coming down there is it was it was a very tender moment That we share. That's absolutely fantastic. You know I love it when Jim Black talks about that. Impact of really knowing that you're gonNA be okay and hey we'll see is not financial planning from the broker from you know from the previous broker. If I heard that age I'd be terrified dude. Yup and that's exactly the way he felt he said. I don't want to have to worry about this anymore but I agree I agree. Let's set up a plan to you. Don't have to worry about it anymore. Yeah life changing for them. It was wonderful and in fact one more quick story on that is that we one of the ways that we work at the retirement solution. Is We charge a fee to go through our process but we don't ever make that speed do until the very end until we've actually done the work that we say we're going to do. And so their case was we were done so they're meeting and handed them but bill. But I said and I remember Jack and Jill but I told you in the beginning that you would not pay this to us unless we did our job unless we literally changed her life then put you in a different spot. Now like like Jim says and I said to be honest. We done that. We haven't that. We had to start over and and they laughed and just not of their head and said. Mat or life will never be the same doll. That's so awesome. Well it's funny because there are so many financial professionals out there who are terrified because they don't feel like they're they're providing that level value. Where when they ask for the business. There's trepidation you guys don't have that trepidation. Because you know. The retirement solutions has helped. What thousand people retire over the last thirty years? And it's truly amazing when you have that confidence how much easier it is to launch people into into retirement to live the life that they've always wanted and and you're right. It's it's rewarding from my standpoint too. Yeah just to sit here and make sure and how people know they're going to be okay. It's my wife whenever I come home from work show with Matt. How was your day? That changing is a Lotta Fun. Here's the thing that's that's a much better response. Oh my God. I don't want to go to work tomorrow. You don't want to touch on one of the things that Jack and Jill. They're Matt which is the one thing that so many financial services professionals focused so much on his that one thing that they can't control at all which is the stock market. They they might feel today. They have a magic bullet. But as we've seen many many times before that magic bullet might not work tomorrow and Bhai taking that out of the equation controlling what you can control behavior spending income. That makes a huge difference. Do you agree. I very much agree. Yeah and those are the things we talked. Because you're right. Those are the things they can control. And so we build a plan around that and that's the point of control there too. I don't WanNa make it something. The plan is rigid. There's flexibility for sure because life happens But you're right about. I actually have on purpose. I have a magic eight ball in my office on the conference table when meeting clients and whenever the stock market comes up. If I can spend well you know with the bill. The plan this as long as the market does act like the ball. And I say we're guessing now we want to go there. Yeah so I'm sure that you've had a couple of other meetings since The last time you and I chatted which was really the introduction into you into our podcasting system here so let's let's talk about some of the other clients that you've helped change their lives. You Bet you bet so there's Another lady that comes to mind We'll call her. Sally for the sake of this story Sally is unfortunately Widowed at this point she lost her husband just earlier this year and it was unexpected. You know they're only in their late fifties Just wasn't something that was. They were planning on happening and he was. The husband was the one that always took care of the finances. All the investing Paid the bills did all the stuff and all of a sudden here. She is without him And she and he had set her up very well but she just didn't know what to do Not only was she them with this responsibility but She wasn't sure how to even make things. Worse okay I know my husband had this but I don't know what to do with it now and so in her case. What we're doing is just literally helping her go through. I mean whether it's paying a bill and setting those things up but just things all the way up to the investment planning itself. These are things that she'd never touched on before so for her. The peace of mind just having a partner and someone she can go to To build this plant. She thought that she would have to work forever. She had a part time job longer. Has Been Still Working. Which of course he quit when he got sick and passed away but her husband was bringing in the main money and now that income stopped and so. I thought was my goodness when I retire. This won't work and so we're hoping her plan that says the year. Good you don't have to worry about this anymore with the assets if he left you and with the life insurance money as well. Here's how you treat it so that you don't run out and for her. That's just. That's priceless the convent. I've seen a burden lift off her shoulders as well. Unfortunately that's something happens rather frequently where. The primary breadwinner is in control of the finances whereas the supporting spouse isn't as involved in in doesn't make a lot of those decisions. Would you mind taking a minute to talk about some of the decisions that you've helped her make? And what sort of way do you empower? Somebody like that to have the confidence to make those decisions in the future. Yeah that's a great question. So as far as empowering and then helping to make the decision what was most important for me and I told her this was that you know Sally I want you to. I don't want to just set something up for you and then join your merry way. I would like you to understand what's going on here because I think that's what's going to make the most sense for you and I said I don't need you to get you know. I don't need you to study finance like I did and become a professional but but what. She told me that she cut you many experiences with other people. She's tried to go see. They'd just they'd say oh. No problem. Devillier may not take care of it and she wants and don't get me wrong. She wants to partner but also wants to know what's going on and so to answer your question more directly Matt. What'S THE WAY WE'VE EMPOWER? Her is having an educational conversation before we ever talk. Oh put your money here. We walked her through and I see this as many clients but certainly in her case even greater extent all of the different investment options. That are out there how they work. What the advantages are. The disadvantages are Because there is no silver bullet It just different things work different ways. So it's good to know the pros and cons and so it's been a collaborative process. I would say. It's how empowered her It's not me just saying do this and trust me. She doesn't really want that. I don't think a lot of people want that. I think a lot of people want that that reliable resource that that's there in fact for those of you who are listening to this who aren't clients of the retirement solution yet. You should ask yourself that question. Do I have a partnership relationship with my financial services professional or is it dictatorial? Or is it do I just give them whatever and let them do whatever In some people mad as you know like that level of delegation where oh well they're taking care of it but I would say the majority of people don't they want to have somebody in their corner to truly help them and I I would. One hundred percent agree In fact I've reminds me of We can come back to to sally if you want. But there's another couple of comes to mind where when we first met them and they've been clients for a little while now but When we first met them I actually didn't even meet the wife I just. The husband came in and I'll just call him bill. Bill came in by himself and usually for first visit. We have some Chitchat and get to know each other. That didn't go on for more than thirty seconds before he shut it down and his is. I was just so we're clear I don't need you. I said well okay fine. What are you doing here Have you? I do not need me. He said well let me be clear. What I mean is I've done my own. We're trying to planning for years. I can take care of it. I think I've done a great job but I don't know if I want to keep doing it number one and number two. If something happened to me I don't know if my wife would be able to keep managing what I've been doing what I'm looking for is a partner someone. That doesn't just tell me what to do. But someone I can consult with set up a plan and I can let you take care of it but I still wanna be involved but then I just like the comfort of knowing. I've got somebody in my corner and my wife's family in her corner you know Matt. That's in the right place. Yeah that sounds like an ideal client doesn't it? I mean a person who who wants to be part of the process and then you have a very strong process. You know getting back to Sally. Your your second story they're You know part of that process is identifying those things that that she needed to know so let. Let's let's go back to her real quick and talk about some of the things that she asked you for assistance with so that she had a better understanding of her overall financial picture. You Bet Lots of things so there. There's the the investment piece. What's the difference between you know mutual funds and UCS? What are the advantages and disadvantages? what do I do and then where do I put things? How much over here? How much goes over there? What about safety versus risk Tax Planning was a big one too because she was asking about him that I know I have this. Ira money that my husband's saved up. But now I also have this pool of life insurance money. That is tax free How do I structure this? Where do I take income from? I then there were questions like Bushel security and she has her own benefit that she can take She could also wait until later and take A. We'll call the survivor's benefit based off of her husband's working years. Those are all the things that you just wasn't sure about and we've been working through in the process especially when it's unexpected. I mean unfortunately when people pass it's not usually expected especially at a younger age but you a lot of times. You don't know what you don't need you don't know what you don't know right and so you're going through your process. Do you mind if I ask. How many meetings That you've been in face to face with her. I think we're on meeting number. Okay Okay schedule. A couple more scheduled. And that's another thing. I want our listeners. To understand is you know. A lot of financial advisers especially financial planners. WanNa get the plan done as quickly as possible because of the way that they're compensated number one and number two they re you know that's just not the way that they do things. The retirement solution is a little bit different where they want to make sure that all of the tease across all of the dyes are audited dotted and all of the questions are answered before you have that launch meeting because a real financial plan is something that you should own a real financial plan is something you should totally not just own but also understand what else what else has been going on Matt. Bronze World It's just stories left and right of of different things that we help different people with. It's always fascinating to me to to sit back and and like you said we've helped hundreds over a thousand different people at this point met with more but not everybody is a fit for us. But for those that are like I think of another client Just all the different circumstance people come from. This is A married couple. That Wants to retire very confident that they will. They came and they said Yeah. We're GONNA do. This is some people come into my office and they can't retire. They're really worried about making that jump. And then I have others like this couple. He's not what's called in Stephen Sally so a couple of different people there so this this even side they came to us and they said Matt. We're GONNA retire. We just need to make sure it's going to be okay Okay sure let's figuring out In their case the The wife Sally one of the things that came up recently is that she grew up with parents that came from depression era and herself. She disposed to me that there were times and and her childhood. They didn't have a home. She lived out of their car and as a child she. Didn't you know the kid you don't really know what rich and poor is necessarily. It never occurred to her that that meant they were probably poor In in need of some things and then later on life stabilized but she remembers those years and she thinks that the now and that's she's afraid that that's going to happen to her again because my gosh there's more income of a sudden and they've saved up a nice nesting and she knows that but knowing how to now translate that into key during an income for the rest of their lives when there's no more paycheck coming in but what I found is that my job has shifted some from financial planner more to financial therapist. If you want all sure In saying it's it's GonNa be okay and for her that the numbers are the numbers are but just know that what the numbers helped her feel. It is the safety that she's not going to have to do that again. And that her kids will have to take care of her. She can take care of herself. You don't Matt that's such a wonderful highlight of of again a different aspect of a relationship. A lot of people don't understand the origins of why they feel the way that they do about money which which are basically money emotions right how you were brought up different life events happen and especially when you don't have those money conversations with your significant other and one could be a little bit more lavish in. That really frustrates. The other person I hear that a lot from financial services professionals that they are your little bit more of a therapist because you have to address those to let people one understand that you understand to let them have that realization in three allow them to have that sense of relief and understanding so that they can't really retire. Those are the conversations that are really phenomenal. That that when you see that that light shining behind there is something that they truly finally now understand. The origins of why they behave in the way that they do Can make for just not only a wonderful relationship but and again at that. Launch Party Really truly having some emotions flow. Yeah and and for me that that's where that I mean. Yeah I'm a numbers. Go for a reason I love it. I do it at home And it's it's fun but but really for me it. It is very relational and and I think it should be that. There's there's gotta be a a civil stock agreement there's gotTa be A relational aspect to it where you trust this person. And I don't think truck comes from just pointing numbers and they could come from knowing why people feel certain ways and helping them true thing so to me. That's the relationship part is with the most taste and part of it. All right. We got time for one more store. You got another one force their man. Oh sure This one's a little more typical In this case the pets clients. Come my way too. I do have people that come to me and they just say you know Matt. We have no clue what we're doing. We've saved money but we just need someone to tell us what to do and sometimes in those areas I I get a little nervous because like we just talked about. There's plenty of dictatorial Advisors that are out there and usually these people I will ask well. Have you met with somebody before? And most of the time they have not and the and I'm grateful for that next breath my gratitude because what I tell them as I am so grateful that you found us when you did and that you have been taken by somebody else because there's too many people out there that if you just go to the like that they'll take advantage of you put you in if you don't understand I said for me. I'm happy to give you suggestions but I want you to know this is going to be collaborative. And so there's a couple of comes to mind. we'll call. I'm running out of big names at this point. We'll do another Jacksonville. I get their case. That was exactly what happened and And they said all that make sense that. There's some advisors out there that love people that are ignorant And I that's just not the way we operate so they've enjoyed this educational process and there's been a couple of times where they say. Okay Man I think we don learning about that. Yeah we'll move on but you know let's I WanNa make sure you understand. Say you're right. You're right we really appreciate that Nice. We'll Matt I want to thank you so much for taking time to talk to our audience today once again a little bit more about what. It's like to go through the planning process at the retirement. Susan I hope you have a magnificent day and I can't wait to talk to you again soon right. Yeah thanks you too. If you have not subscribed the podcast make sure you click that subscribe blow and if you have not checked out the website go to the show notes because we've got all of the links to all of the major important things for you to find out more about what it's like to work the retirement solution so for everybody at the retirement solution. This is Matt Halloran. And we'll see you on the other side of the Mike very soon. The retirement solution INC is an independent financial services firm that helps people create retirement strategies designed to endure the changing market and increase their odds of success in retirement consultation with a financial planner helps to determine which strategies may be appropriate for you.
Episode 115: living stones aka Lithops
"The hello who thought Blimey I've got a frog in me throat let's Livingstone's Aka lith- ops and I answer question a patron of on the Ledge yes you are now a legend really cheered me up to hear your kind words about the show and one of the things you said is that wondering see for on the Ledge go ahead treat yourself your APP of choice hopefully the fighting and the politics then you need house plan our in your life getting about all plants You can follow me at Jane Perron there's also peak district recently and visited Sally Williams Wonderful Pepperoni collection very different national collection of Lith- ops Aka Livingstone's in terms of awareness of environmental issues surrounding CACTI and succulents and lot of questions about and I hope they'll be answered in this episode and Bryant any at Sheffield University and if Brian showed me his master's degree thesis Ngo were absolutely delightful interviewees and despite the glass houses at Abbey. Oh wow nothing at all like this I probably have about twenty five CACTI eaters in circumference does anyone but in here to say we had thing that I was an incredible display of mix lips in filled with lithographs looks like a painting almost it's won first prize in two national shows now okay wouldn't I brought with that bowl and he's been on television why they called stone plants because you do have to look twice because they're awesome stones in there that's a lovely word displaying them because it's really showing off no no no no you'll want one side might be the size of a tennis court writes it were these grow so the number of sites when I was working on and the last forty years and they're still finding them yes ah this was two thousand and six and fortunately there was a conference that year in Oh doc right down to came down for about six weeks we spent amazing including the first time you saw this up so it was it was amazing you could tell them with that would bring the little outline track we've anyway as far as the I can see almost engro collected plant they belong grown from seed and over and over again was watering some people have been told that they should never chicken from the end in April until the end of September blue within start to the sea so I think any rain the your sea fogs so on the amount of water and do you water from the top did it matter they exist and they're sitting on on a bed of visit water isn't being pool underneath and sitting there. I mean you can actually platinum Oh when you're looking at Sunday cts yeah training compulsive compost somebody's starting off a collection and wants to to grow assume western parts no eastern parts of the ones from Namibia the other end where you've got to be careful saying Oh yes look to that the loop right you I mean that is my my nine year old son would say mom they look a bit like a bomb basically all all these all and the growing point is is at the base of the Nydia area does that appear eclipse Gusau wasted that's coming through the center yes they're just like McCoy can know nothing wasted very clever explained to me yeah that we've you know which is normally only on one one way the doors when the compost is is what will act during the end of the end of the wet else should he be concerned if they start shriveling slightly is there anything to worry about you could be there so tough that they will bounce back you have to be careful you don't royalty in different shades of gray and terra cotta and the plunk can't change its color what's what it's done is if rodents or birds or what have you and so you eventually you you in these sorts of things you think Green Oh yeah we'll they'll match the grass don't grow and again some of them quite relatively no and then there are some really teeny very small ones yeah you must very closest Olsen said we're starting to fly yes long the job in South Africa keep the plant incognito improper through week okay graphics yes there was a lady in in south the big one that supported only a hundred head of cattle the place at the right so I'm one of the things that are in flower instant we'll be back with more recently and the fact that the emojis that we as people have disposal I'll have a chat with Kelly earlier this week to discuss a first steps they is wonderful to actually have you on the show you're let's talk a little bit about this crazy idea I've uh-huh uh-huh good things focused do think this came from listening to a podcast hello there's not that many many choices out there and I wrote business what that emojis well have we were decided on the plant itself it's choice really I mean I think there's possibly two choices I think the options are is be more widely used I mean what we should say is are we might go about finding out more information about this but it's not a couple of years to come to fruition we ever got that far because obviously what's known as the unique code consortium in the bay area is was internally I think there's something like seven multinationals on the panel including submit but they do put you through your paces they do make you jump through hoops and you value obvious to anyone who listens to this podcast it's it's something that we want to kind Brenda's handwriting and I've been writing things and then like almost wanting to do an Emoji and I used lots of people is very distinctive and we all know what it with graphic design skills fingers crossed because you will me was during not or lack of of the imagery that submitted with the proposal so yeah it has to be people have submitted clunky clipper type artwork in the past it doesn't do arguments about why why this needs Emoji peps we need some Adriano pumps I think this is something we need to move forward I'm sorry I've landed you dislike two year mission Kelly but hopefully counter to listeners though to tell us if they liked the idea of of going for monster but it also can't be too vague which is a fine balance to strike it also Asian may be on the facebook group and see what listeners think about this and hopefully thus we could be in California in two years time talking to unit code list of plant emojis out there but we want to know what Emoji there should be facebook just drop me a line to on the ledge podcast at gmail.com with your graphic designer or maybe you work at Unicor who knows then give me a shout and the all these to grow from seed because every year on the podcast I have a a so long event were is not so much is there any advice pick a millimeter oh man you don't have to don't the they'll German hat within two two weeks three two okay used to what you can show the seed in us to keep from going for eighteen months and transplanted them and you you you saw them and then you've got fifty plants to pre count two months later and you know stink another any favorites here Brian you really we have forward saps serves in yes big spots on the wide okay right usually the green ones alive flood yes that is the Colori I mean it looks like somebody's to hang on sort of an amazing vein pattern that's a route bus that's my very relaxing we walking down to look at more the things that people say to people surprised that they're even plots sometimes eighty was looking at the time and she talks humbug on the well you say you can work on these things and not not dummies because reported because I was worried that the potting mix was not ideal but I was visit vary from species species how you treat them in that regard Well you post just a little bit of of you know where the join is between the gives you the clue there's no stars I told on the top surface to the plan right because the win the there's a window a window all the cells in the center of the plant are colorless it'll still work the smarter this again you know come plums all says regular listeners will know we're always I'm I just I love to say crush nation so presumably for that reason I don't want to bury them too deep because then I would be burying so I don't know if that's Great Okay and we've got these ceilings here so busy when the seasons so small do you have to cut it with some seeds with Sundell you just very careful as you didn't numbers right on you can Judge Dowell Andy Twelve months of course yeah yeah we can we sixty yeah them because that's a holiday sheer which is all college which is nice ached and And I mean even if you see a plant underneath another another plan towards you know I can't tell you John Halt fifty sixty centigrade so what's going to kill these plants is not baking some customers but this this guy was complaining about and he said I bought some of those lists ops the Mongasutu and where did you did you put him on a win the cell and just certain saw and I said what did you do you did platinum did I think because they could like stones and they just can sit I'm what about pass with the mealy bug they merely magnet problem migraine house but yeah you know he starts uh-huh farmers you might have we might have mice I guess there's not some mouse traps by them they say leads the fosters best windy off that would be that would be complicated on Yes that's what the kind of Doubling up on the to do yeah. I'm tickly often turn is not something unread if I was going to be my house would I be moving them to an unheated porch then or somewhere being room a heated room a good choice in fool in the growing season there's got to be highlight but do you Louis again do they do they get a bit so in the winter I've had I've through right late winter early spring uh-huh oh I'm delighted to see this glorious collection here on liftoff while I'm GonNa continue wandering around because it's so this is where it stops well that that incredible tops bowl than do go to my show notes at Jane Windows She's lucky enough to have two bathrooms and but neither of them has any I think there are actually some ways around this problem I thought is your ball that is some light in that room so it may be that you just want to have a few different plots for in the long term from lack of light and the kind of things you might be looking at for this purpose monson going out and it had no light and looked exactly the same so this a of dealing with it you could also have something like a sexy Frazier Sto live for ended up with quite a few different plants that serve their time in your doc bathroom we've got a a lamp fitting a wall lamp fitting or something in there that you can put for some of the right spectrum for plants to grow ideally it official grow like would if you looking like a cannabis grow broom and you can also get socket so that might be another way to go if you can have some of those on your plants riches of shelves with Grow Lights Strips of grow lights along the bottom stream but that is a really nice option oh put a link to a couple of those pictures in the show notes out twelve hours a day just so the plants get their fill and get to off and on automatically I've got a time of my grow lights here in the office it's a really old straightforward but it works really well because I find the ones we'd loads of buttons that you have to program really have some money to throw at the problem then you could turn to a company like Celtic solutions that's needed and that one does come with Alzheimer's so you don't have to worry about turning them on and blow we can add your plants so if you put a grow light bulb into one of those you could successfully are you all going to have to work at it a little bit and come up with some solutions and fixes and depending minded some inspiration Julie and you've got a question for on the ledge drop me a line to how is your applause roll Jordan roll by the joy drops an instrument the boy called happy day connor yeah.
Well-traveled Bodies (ep. 63)
"In the winter of nineteen seventy six the six million dollar man TV show was filming in a haunted house in Long Beach, California. When a crew member went to move garish looking dummy to a different spot, the dummies arm broke off at the elbow. It was then that the crew member noticed the end of a human bone sticking out of the truncated limb. This wasn't a mannequin. This was Elmer McCurdy a career criminal who died sixty five years earlier in Oklahoma. My name's moxy, and this is your brain on facts. As a forensic science slash true. Crime slash weird history. Buff of the first order, I almost didn't include McCurdy in today's episode of well-traveled corpses because his story makes all of these lists. But you know, me I like to be thorough. Elnora Kurdi was born January. I eighteen eighty two an unwed mother at adopted by his uncle and aunt the first twenty years of his life for fairly on remarkable until a string of personal losses. Led him to say, screw it. I'm go Robson trains, a brief stint in the army of seen him trained to use nitroglycerine for demolition. And he decided to blend the two careers. The trouble was he tended to be heavy handed with the explosives once costing his gang ninety percent of the money in a safe. He blew their remaining ten percent that they did get was in coins. That were melted together. Mccurdy's final robbery took place on October fourth nineteen eleven Niro, keys, Oklahoma when McCurdy and his men mistakenly stopped a passenger train instead of the one carrying four hundred thousand dollars that they were after the men were only able to steal about forty six dollars from the mail clerk some whiskey a pistol. And the train conductors watch a newspaper account of the robbery called it. Quote. One of the smallest in the history of train robbery. Even still a two thousand dollar bounty was put on McCurdy and someone gave him up. In the wee hours of October seven a posse of sheriff's tracked McCurdy to a hacia using bloodhounds. Gunfire was exchanged for over an hour. And in the end McCurdy was shot in the chest and kilt. Mccurdy's spotty was subsequently taken to the Johnson funeral home in husk Oklahoma where it went on claimed. Joseph Johnson the owner and undertaker embalmed body with an arsenic based preservative and stored it in the back of the funeral home, refusing to bury the body or release it until he had been paid for his services Johnson. Then decided if he was going to get any money out of this situation. He'd have to be more proactive. He dressed the corpse up in street. Clothes place to rifle mccurdy's hands and stood up in the corner of the funeral home for a nickel apiece. Visitors could see the bandit who wouldn't give up McCurdy became a popular attraction at the funeral home. And also drew the attention of carnival promoters, though, Johnson refused numerous offers to buy mummified body in nineteen sixteen AMAN claiming to be Elmer mccurdy's long lost brother got permission from the sheriff to take custody of the body and ship it to San Francisco for a proper burial the following day Johnson released the body. To this man. And an accomplice who then put it on a train bound for Arkansas City, Kansas. The men were in fact, James and Charles Patterson owners of the great Patterson carnival shows where mccurdy's corpse would be featured until nineteen twenty two when Paterson sold his operation to Louis Sonny Sonny use mccurdy's corpse in his traveling museum of crime show, which featured wax replicas of famous outlaws such as Bill Doolan and Jesse James in nineteen twenty eight the corpse was part of the official sideshow that accompanied the trans American footrace in thirty three it was acquired for a time by director Duane Esper- to promote his exploitation film narcotic with an exclamation point in a very William castle style move the corpse was placed in the lobby of the theater as a dead dope. Fiend by this time, some twenty two years after death. Mccurdy's body had become none the fide the skin was hard and the body had shriveled to the size of child s proclaimed this deterioration was proof of the danger of drugs. Mccreevy's corpse would bounce between warehouses and movie sets for the next four decades damage from his handling meant that the corpse was no longer all that lifelike, which is how it found its way to the left in the dark funhouse at the pike in Long Beach after it was discovered that he wasn't a mannequin McCurdy was sent to the LA coroner by this time. The body was essentially petrified and had been covered in wax and layers of paint, it weighed about fifty pounds or twenty three kilos and was sixty three inches or one hundred sixty centimeters tall, some hair was still visible on the sides and back of the head but mccurdy's ears big toes and many of his fingers were missing. Of all the clues that lead the corner and company ING historians to determine the mummy's identity. The most interesting was found in the courteous. Now it had nothing to do with his teeth. But was a nineteen twenty four penny and ticket stops to the one forty west pike side show and the Louis sunny museum of crime, the discovery made national headlines an actual distant relative came forward to claim mccurdy's body which was buried on April. Twenty second nineteen seventy seven in the boot hill section of the summit new cemetery in Guthrie, Oklahoma X to the actual body of outlaw g- Bill. Doolan two feet of concrete report on top of the coffin to ensure that mccurdy's rambling days for over. Mccready is hardly the only outlaw turned famous mummy. Take the case of one Hazel Farris, born in Kentucky in eighteen eighty or fisa child and later married to a man with whom she drank heavily and fought loudly. Her history has morphed into folklore, but by all accounts on August. Sixth nineteen o five the couple had an argument over Ferris's desire to buy a new hat. If you've been in a relationship for any length of time, you know, that wasn't really what they were fighting about. The two came to blows and fairus ended up shooting. Her husband who died on the living room floor. Neighbors heard the gunshots. Summoned police the situation did not improve upon their arrival because fairus shot and killed them to. A passing deputy sheriff heard the commotion gained entry to the house and tried to restrain Farris during the scuffle. The deputy tripped on fairus his husband's body accidentally firing his gun and shooting off one of her fingers. There is eventually broke free and fatally shot the deputy as well. So she shot the sheriff, and she did shoot the deputy. With five murders under her belt at five hundred dollar reward for her capture, which I couldn't put into modern figures because the inflation calculators don't go back that far serious fled to Bessemer Alabama to try to begin a new life. One version of her story has her posing as schoolmarm another as her working as a prostitute. But both agree that she drank excessively. She took up with a new man, and when they became engaged fairus confided in him who she really was he immediately gave her up to police on December. Twentieth. Nineteen oh six fairly certain. She wouldn't emerge victorious from a second. Shootout. He sulfurous committed suicide by drinking some combination of whiskey fuel, oil, and arsenic. Ferris's body was taken to Adams vermillion furniture, which also sold caskets and as such functioned as the local funeral parlor. No one came forward to claim her body, which was strangely mummifying rather than decomposing. There is speculation that it's because of the chemicals fairus drink. But I don't put a great deal of stock by that. Regardless of the reason, the corpse had long jetty and certain renown Adams began charging curious visitors ten cents to see the notorious outlaw. After a time fairus his body. Hit the road when Adams loaned the corpse to various exhibitors, including his brother and Tuscaloosa palace, wonders sideshow operator, captain Harvey leabeau's, well and Seabrook's who featured the well preserved remains in his traveling show for forty years when he died Brooks left Hazel to a nephew on the condition that any money raised from displaying her be donated to charity as the story goes Brooks's, nephew, displayed Ferris's mummy to raise money to build churches in Tennessee, just let that paradigm sinking the nephew. Eventually brought her back to Bessemer where she became an infamous attraction at the newly formed hall of history. The hall of history also had exhibits. More typical of modern history museum such as the door to Martin Luther King junior's jail cell and Adolf Hitler's telephone. And it's housed in a restored railroad terminal. Just like the science museum here in my hometown. After a long run at the hall of history. Theorist became the subject of a National Geographic documentary, which is we're reality reasserts itself over folkore. An autopsy performed the documentary indicated the mummified woman had died of pneumonia not poisoning, but one of her fingers had indeed been shot off sometime well before her death. The state of the body tissue was consistent with having been immersed in arsenic. It's entirely possible that the manner of fairus is Steph was ret conned to fit the state of the remains after the documentary was finished Hazel zones decided to lay her to rest and had the body cremated. He's affairs. Wasn't the only mummy shown by sideshow. Operator captain Lee Harvey Boswell after the common-law husband of nightclub performer Marie o'day murdered her. He threw her body in Utah's great Salt Lake where her body remained for twelve years. It had washed ashore, but remained covered in salt silt and sand when discovered in nineteen thirty seven her body was said to have been quote mummified, but not petrified due to the more than twenty percent salt content in the water of the lake. At least that's the way she was billed, though, days cases, more recent and should be easier to verify any backstory being offered by someone trying to sell tickets has to be taken with no pun intended. A grain of salt O'day passed through the hands of at least four showman with names like hoot black and gold tooth Jimmy and was viewed in thirty eight states plus parts of Canada before being sold a boss. Well in nineteen seventy five. He removed her from the traditional coffin in which she had been displayed because it offended the public which is a funny place to draw the line, and he put her in the palace of wonders alongside shrunken heads and animals with too many body parts. Oh days tail may be less like the natural mummies. We featured way back in sixteen mummies day and more like McCurdy and Farris that of a body with no one to claim it. According to an account from W F dub, one of the first people to exhibit O'day, I the body was number of some woman and the red hair was for real. I really don't know how she died. I don't think Marie ever saw the great Salt Lake and doubt, she was ever even in the state of Utah. I heard a lot of stories about where she came from. And I don't know which one is the truth the one that sounds the best is that she was found dead sitting in the waiting room of a bus station in Mississippi. There was no idea on her body or in her handbag, but she was well-dressed and looked like class the undertaker assumed someone would show up to claim her body, and it would only be a matter of days until he could be rid of her. Well, the days turned into weeks, then months, then years and still no one showed up after so much time had passed a traveling showman came by and offered him something for her. It seemed like a good idea to sell and recover. Some. Better still to be rid of her. So he sold. To owners later who black feast problem not with the law, but with rats during the off season when he wasn't on the road with day black had to find a safe place to keep her. He didn't want to risk the rats that habituated his storage shed getting to her. So he would wrap day up and sort her for the winter under the bed. He shared with his wife. I'm willing to assume the wife knew about it because human body is somewhat more conspicuous than say that XBox your wife told you you couldn't afford. When on the road O'day traveled in relative style in a specially converted semi truck. Boasting Marie oh days palace car on the side all linked to it in the show notes. If you don't see a link at me as the kids say on Twitter at brain on facts, pod or Facebook or Instagram at your brain on facts. Black soul to Boswell who had day until his death in two thousand and two. It was about this time that o'day was examined by college professors, Ron Beckett and Jerry calm loc- for the net GIO show, the mummy roadshow. They took day to the radiology department at Wilson medical center, North Carolina where a CT scan and tissue biopsies were taken in hopes of confirming or refuting the legend surrounding Maria day with a sideshow money there had to be a story to bring the people in says com oke for the carnivals the story was more important than the mummy itself. Following a full day of studying analyzing test results, the professors concluded that o'day had more likely died from two berkey losses and not violent murder. Also that the fiction resulted from using arsenic to embalm the body because the amounts found in the tissue were several hundred times the normal concentration. It seems that day has passed Boswell son and has been in storage ever since she fearing nearly had a shot at either returning to fame were finally being laid to rest when she was among the goods being appraised by Mike and Frank of the TV show American pickers, they passed on o'day, but did spend six hundred dollars on a wax Elvis. Most of the bodies on this list brought in money for someone anyway after they died, but one entrant was also a source of profit during her life. Julia Pastrana was born in the mountains of western Mexico. Eighteen thirty four her life was defined by her appearance. She was entirely covered with thick dark hair except for the poems of her hands and soles of her feet due to a condition called generalized hypertrichosis and the shape of her face was distorted by ginger Ville, hyperplasia thickening of the lips and gums, the strana also had a very prominent brow with thick arched eyebrows. An unusually broad nose and uneven teeth. Her mother was convinced that some sort of supernatural force was to blame her daughter's appearance such as no olice sheep, shifting where wolves of folklore that were said to cause stillbirths into form. These young. Julia spent the first few years of her life sequestered with her mother in a cave. And then in an orphanage, though, some accounts have Pastrana being sold by an uncle to a circus. After learning of her the state governor adopted Tuleya to serve as sort of live in entertainer there at least she was given an education, she learns multiple languages in the arts as well as the manners of high society, she stayed in the governor's home until she was twenty when she decided to return to her village, however, Pastrana never completed her journey on her way home. She encountered an American showman who persuaded her to perform on stage soon after she began her career in the United States in Europe taking part in traveling freak shows and circuses though. Her singing and dancing were quite capable that wasn't what people pay to see the strana was billed under names, like the ape woman. The babboons lady the nondescript or the bear woman from the wilds of Mexico one newspaper count from the time said the eyes of this unusual. Natura beam with intelligence while its jaws jagged. Fangs and ears are terrifically. Hideous nearly its whole frame is coated with long glossy hair. It's voice is harmonious for this semi human being is perfectly docile and speaks Spanish language, the idea of strana as a semi human was stabbed by Dr Alexander Mont who examined her and declared her to be the hybrid of a human ended a rioting at the time arrange itunes were considered to be the wildest and most primitive of primates with a dangerous sexuality. Other doctors refuted this ridiculous claim but Pastrana's PR was based on it sharing promotional materials that underlined her animalistic otherness in. She was described as originating from a tribe of route digger Indians who were spiteful and hard to govern living with animals and being intimate with them, basically recen- as your main or only selling point. Despite all of this, though, the strana was a kind hearted gentle intelligent young woman. She loved to travel cook in so and willingly submitted herself to examinations by doctors before she was brought to Europe the strana secretly, married her next manager the door lent. Many believe that she was genuinely in love while lint married her to ensure his golden goose never got away. In eighteen fifty seven in Germany, the strana appeared on stage in clay written especially for her the promotional posters for the show gave her quite grotesque appearance with exaggerated red lips similar to depictions of African Americans at the time when the German audience saw Pastrana, they considered the show to be in bad taste and rejected it outright to the point that police had to be called in to stop the show. That's right. Germany found this whole situation to distasteful in January eighteen sixty while touring Russia, the strana gave birth to a baby boy also covered in hair by her manager husband, the delivery did not go. Well, fully grown Pastrana was only four foot five hundred thirty five centimeters and hundred twelve pounds or fifty kilos with narrow hips. The baby only survived about thirty five hours and three days later Pastrana herself passed away from infection. Her last words were said to be I die happy. I know I have been loved for myself at least she's free now right to quote Ramsay Bolton. If you think this has a happy, ending, you haven't been paying attention lent. Got another pay day off the strana by selling her and the baby to an anatomy professor in Moscow. Dr Sokolov soukhanov spent six months preserving their bodies with a technique that was part on the fixation heart taxidermy their bodies were posed in a glass case and put on display at Moscow universities in atomic institute. When lent realized there was still money to be made he regained control over Pastrana and their sons bodies and spent the next six years hauling their glass display case around the world. While on tour with his family's corpses. Lent met Marie bar. Tell who had the same rare conditions the strana, so lent wooed and married. Her two. He renamed her Sonora has strana and build her as Hulas fictitious sister would perform onstage with the preserved bodies in the background. Later lent hit the embalmed bodies and started telling people that Sonora and Julia were actually the same person. Maybe Sonora just wasn't as big of a draw, but Marie turned Sonora, fared better than Julia in the long run after she and lent retired and Saint Petersburg lent went insane. And she had him committed to an asylum where he died couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Bartell went on to marry a man twenty years her junior. She sold the Pastrana bodies to men in all slow who put them on display, and whose son took them on tour as part of a house of horrors. His exhibit was shut down by of all people the Nazis, the strana and the baby would be moved from storage space to storage space through Sweden. Norway for thirty years occasionally still making public appearances in nineteen Seventy-three the display of human corpses for profit was. Outlawed in both countries. This didn't mean it was proper burial time. Just back into storage. At some point, miscreants, broken opens, the glass case broke off strong arm took the mummy of the baby and left it in a field. Where vermin destroyed it in nineteen seventy nine the warehouses broken into again and Pastrana disappeared reappearing in nineteen ninety at the institute of forensic medicine. And also in janitors closet. While scientists and well meaning people debated the merits of burial versus study a Mexican artist. Living in all slow, Lauren. Barbuda began the fight to repatriate Pastrana's remains Barbuda persisted through bureaucratic pushback for three years until the Norwegian national committee for the evaluation of research on human remains agreed with her that. Julia Pastrana probably would not have wanted her corpse to be in a glass case in Scandinavia pressure. From the Mexican ambassador didn't hurt either Bhargava told the New York Times, I felt she deserved the right to regain her dignity and her place in history, and in the world's memory in twenty thirteen the strongest body was returned to Sinoloa delay the Mexico one hundred seventy nine years after she was born there. Her grave was covered with flowers sent by people from all over the world. I don't know about you. But I could use a little bit of a pallet cleanser. This episode came out on April the night tomorrow. The tenth is the first date of the month on which Abe onus episode is posted at patriot dot com slash your brain on facts. Another bonus mini episode goes up on the twenty fifth of each month. The topic for the first episode this month is one that's been on my list since before I reported my first episode, I've always wanted to do it. But even though it's factually accurate. It felt kind of I don't know mean to do. So I'm putting it over on the patron feed patrons. Also, get perks like stickers exclusive voting rights upcoming topics and early access to the regular episodes. If you'd rather not sign up for an ongoing obligation, but still want to help the show financially. There's a pay pal. Donate button at your brain on facts dot com. Of course, the single best way to help any podcast is to share it on your social media. Most listening apps will let you do that right? From the listening screen usually by swiping up. When writing the scripts for these episodes, I put concerted effort into ensuring representation as much as possible for women and people of color. It's often not easy. The history of almost any topic is white men all the way down for well trebled corpses. Not so much female bodies preserved and bandied about are thick on the ground. It's bizarrely equal opportunity outcome in in terms of social classes. Well. While many famous political leaders and even people adjacent to them have been preserved and put onto slay thank flat. Amir Lennon, Hugo Chavez Ferdinand Marcos. They tend to stay put not so for Eva Perron. When Argentina's first lady Eva Peron died in July of nineteen fifty two. It was a blow to her husband Juan not just personally, but also professionally Ava had been one secret weapon. The only thing keeping the population from turning on him completely the people loved their Evita millions went into mourning when she died movies were stopped patrons were asked to leave restaurants. When the news one out with an day every flower shop in Wina saris was completely sold out as people constructed memorials in the streets. Avis slide into eternity was slow and unenviable. She had breast cancer, though, one insured that the doctors kept her diagnosis and the severity of her prognosis from her there's even contention that she was lobotomize without her consent toward the end of her life. When Eva died one planned for Eva to continue being his figurehead having already been in talks with the master bomber. Dr Pedro ARA began the first stage of his proprietary embalming process with an hour of her death it involved replacing the body fluids with alcohol and glycerine, which is not too. And usually though he did leave her organs in see two. That's the fancy Latin way of seeing in place, then Dr ARA injected, the corpse with wax and covered it with a thin film of plastic. The whole process took about a year and cost the equivalent of a hundred thousand. Dollars after which Dr ARA declared. That Eva Peron was now. Incorrupt kind of like a Catholic Saint. Eva lay in state at the ministry of labor with Dr ARA always near at hand to wait until her monument and two more complete. But they never were in nineteen fifty five president one Perron was deposed and forced to flee to Spain. Eva was left behind and hidden with Dr ARA who continued to work on her as if she were his magnum opus. The new president Pedro are grew found out that Avis body was still in country and wanted to get her buried as quickly and quietly as possible. To this end, the head of military intelligence. Walter caning was ordered to get Eve's body from Dr ARA and take it to the Cheshire Rita cemetery for burial. There was no indication in my research is to how he got the body from ARA. But on route to the cemetery for whatever reason Canuk stopped to take a out. He awoke to find the truck who surrounded with candles and flowers, pretty sure that people knew what was in the truck. He switched trucks Andrew away from the cemetery again, he stopped to rest at night, and again, his parking spot the chemo and impromptu memorial. Caming thought the best thing to do. Now would be to take APIs corpse to military intelligence headquarters and stick her in the attic of his office for a year. President ARA Mburu eventually found out and fired Canuk ordering that Avis corpse had to be taken out of the country. Did they fare at her to neighboring Chile or Urguay? No, Avis corpse was moved to Italy. She was buried in Milan. Under the name Maria maji Magistris, but she wouldn't stay there. Long in nineteen seventy one rhumba ru was killed by guerrilla fighters. Still loyal to one Perron. The location of his grave was uncovered and a priest and occuren- UIL were sent to retrieve her. Sounds like the setup for a bad joke. The zoomed the body loaded it into a bakery truck and took Eva to one who was in exile in MADRID Spain. Dr ARA was called in to restore Asia. And she was given a place of honor in the Perron Steininger room. To the credit of the new senior Perron Isabel. She seemed have been supportive of the idea even combing and styling Avis hair. Two years later. Won- Perron was again elected president of Argentina and flew back with his wife wife singular. He left Eva behind again. Perron died a year later, but that's still wasn't the end of it. Peronist guerrillas than dug up president arm booze body and held it for ransom on the demand that Isabel Perron who was now president repatriate Avis body. Back in Argentina the care of his body was given to one Domingo's Telecino he had to contend with not insubstantial damage to his feet possibly from being put in a coffin or container that was too small. But otherwise, she was in surprisingly good shape for the twenty plus years say what you want to about Dr ARA, he seemed to know his stuff. Eva was briefly laid in state with plans to have a monument built again, but Isabelle Perron was deposed. And Avis body was finally given to her family. She's buried in Laura Coletta cemetery in Buenos Aires twenty feet underground in. What is essentially a steel bunker to ensure that she can finally rest in peace? And that's where we run out of ideas. At least for today, though, I'll leave you with one apocryphal tale of a body on the move Hollywood legend, John Barrymore partied and drank himself to death in nineteen forty two shortly after his death, his actor, friends, Errol Flynn and roll Walsh were drinking their sorrows away. When Walsh insisted he was too overcome with grief to continue drinking. He left the bar gathered a few helpers and smuggled Barrymore's body out of the funeral home. Where it was waiting to be bombed Walsh told the funeral director. They wanted to take the body to their Moore's housebound old auntie who couldn't get out to pay her respects, and they gave him the equivalent of fifteen hundred dollars Walsh, and his accomplices then took very Moore's body back to Earl Flint's house or they propped up in a chair to startle Flynn when he drunkenly stumbled home at least that's how Flint hold it. Thanks for. Ending part of your day with me.
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"Hello i'm richard mclean smith the creator of unexplained and i'm extremely excited to finally be able to announce the upcoming publication of my book for the u._s. and and canada featuring tenue real life events from around the world to continue to evade explanation each chapter goes deeper than i have on the podcast into not just the story itself but the science theory and philosophy we can learn from it. What can an apparent demonic possession teachers about free will what can the case of the poltergeist tell us about the human need to tell stories and what can a haunted box. Tell us about how we construct reality publishing on october first last two thousand nineteen you can preorder your copy of unexplained from amazon bonds and noble and india bound and keep an eye out on my website twitter and facebook feet for more exciting announcements <music> <music> <music> welcome to unexplained extra with me richard mclean smith with the weeks in between episodes look at stories and ideas that one reason or other didn't make it into the previous show in our last episode negative space. We looked at the chilling tale l. of the purana family haunting which like many people i i came across to fill the covering it was also through this fill that i i i heard about lorraine and edward with whom the peron's story has subsequently become inextricably linked there is little doubt that for whatever reason season some members of the perron family had noticed and experienced various things occurring in the home which they later came to speculate might be the result of a haunting however it was from the involvement of the warren's that the story really began to solidify into something that appeared to get the peron's concerns some legitimacy and would later inspire the filmmakers of the country. I don't think for a moment that those filmmakers have a duty to present a story based on fact so truth. It is a film entertainment and doesn't present. It's anything else nor should it be required to however since many of warren's and perrins assumptions associations drew on the history of real people it feels necessary to go a little deeper into the conclusions that they eventually drew you and the subsequent mythology that is now being attached to the story having become increasingly unsettled by the peculiar event taking place in her home. Carolyn perron became convinced that her family was being haunted vite least one militia spirit and so in the summer of nineteen seventy two. She took it on herself to try and find a possible culprit. Caroline is said to have begun by going through the records at burrillville townhall the town which incorporates the area of harrisville in rhode island whether peron's homes located despite finding some useful information about the past owners of the house a family named arnold it wasn't until she met fran who worked at a local store that she apparently began to get somewhere off telling fran about the supposed entity she had seen with the broken neck. Fran is said to recognize the description of it's closed a simple dress with white pockets as being typical of local fashion in the nineteenth century from here. The pair came across the name bethsheba sherman as documented in a three part. What series of books titled house of doctors house of light written by odors daughter andrea peron caroline was then introduced to mr mckeon seven an elderly member of the local community who had in fact known but schieber as a young boy what mccutchen is said to have gone on to tell caroline gave for serious pause for thought back when but schieber had been a young woman it was said that a baby possibly hers or someone else's it isn't listenclear died mysteriously while it her care the cause of death was thought to be the result of a wound made by a needle that was founded impale to the base of the infant skull. This event was said to have taken place when bat sheba will staying at the farmhouse back when it was known as the arnold's farm but schieber was apparently accused of murdering the child but ultimately escaped conviction when the judge presiding over her trial failed to find sufficient evidence to condemn her as a result it was said the local community remains suspicious of bethsheba for the rest most of life with some accusing her of being a witch in league with the devil and that was only the beginning having being felt uncomfortable in the bond on numerous occasions. Caroline was also said to be shocked to learn that one of the arnold had hung themselves in the bond and that pantry door leading just off the parlor that wouldn't stay shock might as she is said to have discovered if had something to do with the eleven seven year old girl raped and murdered in there many years before soon nami volcanoes tornados and earthquakes. These are real life monsters. 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It was some months later that a friend of caroline's was attending a lecture in the town putnam roughly twenty miles away being in given by lorraine and ed warren lorraine and ed warren had been making a name for themselves as self-described clairvoyant and de manala gist respectively offering their services to clear unwanted spirits from people's homes the warranted i met back in nineteen forty three and after marrying two years later went on to set up the new england society for psychic research in nineteen fifty two ed had grown up in a house which he i believe was haunted and having convinced lorraine of the idea came up with a plan to see if they could find other homes also haunted et who had spent some time at art school would paint the apparently haunted homes and offered the paintings to the owners in return for a chance to investigate the house it was from these unconventional beginnings that the pair developed a reputation as paranormal investigators though their psychic research society he had been founded simply to investigate apparent huntings their approach changed when in one thousand nine hundred sixty five the warren's claim to have conversed with the spirit take a young child named cynthia who was trying to find her mother. The pair is said to be in so touched by this apparent communication that instead instead of merely investigating ponting's they became dedicated to helping the supposed spirits. They encountered a self-described paranormal investigators. The warren's received their first break in nineteen sixty eight after looking into the alleged possession of the raggedy ann doll a toy that have become come popular in the u._s. In the nineteen ten the dull which would later inspire the film annabelle said to being possessed by the spirit someone called annabelle annabel higgins by the nineteen seventies the warranted well and truly cemented their reputation and were embarking on a tour of lectures to explain their practices assists when caroline's friend barbara went to see them in putnam speaking to them afterwards barbara told them all about what was apparently taking place the parental home with their interest piqued the warren's appear one morning at the peron's farmhouse and requested permission to inspect property <hes> pity caroline julia greed also showing them all the apparent evidence she had amassed about who she believed might be responsible for the haunting. When caroline then mentioned inexplicable wound she had received while arresting one afternoon in the parlor. Lorraine warren had a sudden epiphany since the wound was a small circular puncture in the skin as if made by a needle. It was clear that the culprit wolves bats sheba. Eh charlotte was indeed a woman named named bath sheba sherman who lived in borrow ville rhode island at the time in question having been born in eighteen twelve after dying in eighteen eighty five life around the age of seventy three it is also conceivable that mr mckeon had met her as a young boy although he would have had to have been in his ninety s in one thousand nine hundred seventy one to have had any real recollection of this however there is nothing on record to suggest bethsheba edited donald farmhouse. Let alone lived there for any prolonged period of time nor is there any record of her being involved in the possible murder of a child child in fact no evidence of any scandal of the sort having taken place in the borough field area has ever been found what his known is that bethsheba born bethsheba thia was married to a judson sherman in eighteen forty four as the record state. The pair had four children together. The first three would die tragically young not in any way unusual for the time with their only surviving son being herbert sherman born in eighteen forty nine when back shiba died in eighteen eighty five most likely from stroke. No tony was a eulogy given by the local baptist minister but she was buried alongside the graves of her first husband and deceased children as writer and historian historian. Jamie rubio has pointed out. Both these incidences would have been unlikely if the local community had suspected her of any of the crimes she had apparently irony being accused of neither was there any mention of these alleged crimes in sherman's obituary as for the other individuals they had been suggested as potential spirits jamie rubio unearth some interesting information about them to it was claimed that an elderly woman of the arnold family had committed suicide by hanging herself in the bond. Although this isn't true a member of the arnold family when the family was still in possession possession of the farm was found to have hung themselves back in eighteen eighty six however the woman in question susan honored didn't die at the farmhouse us nor was she elderly at the time of death in a devastatingly tragic account of the incident susan arnold zabit ury recounts is how her husband john who had disability at the time struggled to break into a storeroom which had been locked from the inside when he finally managed to get tin after climbing through a back window he found the fifty year old susan's lifeless body suspended from wardrobe hook with a very small cord evidently had every intention of succeeding with plan to commit suicide a loaded gun a knife and a file of mercury was was also found by arnold's body. Another connection joined by lorraine warren to the parents home was with the death of a young girl named prudence who warren claimed was raped and murdered in the pantry. This also was found to be some distance from the truth ten miles to to be precise again tragically an event similar to this did take place but not in the parents home rather in the nearby town of oxbridge oxbridge. It was there that in eighteen forty nine twenty two year old william knowlton became so angry at twelve year old prudence is refusal refusal to marry him that he slit her throat and watched her bleed to death knowlton was eventually convicted of the crime and sentenced sentenced to death by hanging justifying his actions as the simple consequence of love and jealousy which he stated would lead a man to do anything if you enjoy listening to unexplained and would like to help supporters you can now goat wrote unexplained podcasts dot com forward slash support all donations no matter how large or small a massively appreciate all elements of unexplained produced by me richard mclean smith please subscribe and rate the show on i tunes and feel free to get in touch with any thoughts right is regarding the stories. You've heard on the show baps. You have an explanation of your own. 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Episode 003 - Interview With Kris Pavone
"In this is Krista pavone and you're listening to the relationships in revenue podcasts with your host. My Man John Human. This is relationships in revenue. The show were real answers. Come from real discussions about what holds men back in their relationships at home and work. A better bottom line at work means improving life at home. This show's all about helping. You become a better entrepreneur and a better man. Well everyone. To the relationships and Revenue Podcast I'm your host John Human and I am so thrilled to welcome with us today Mr. Chris Perron Chris. How are you my man? Hey John I'm doing wonderful bay so much for having me on Oh man. I am thrilled to have you here. Folks just to give you a little bit of background about Chris Chris has not always been. The awesome stood that he is in the classroom and in the coaching boardroom as he is right now. At one time in his past for a stretch of about ten years, he was a drum roll, please. Professional Wrestler that's right. He was a professional wrestler. Now I'm a little bit older than creases. So some of the guys who came before him, I was much more familiar with Hoke Hogan Randy Macho man savage back when it was called WWF, but then it became ww e, which is probably more reflective of what the organization actually wasn't entertainment organization, but Chris Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were known as Kaelin Croft that right. That is correct. Yes, King Kroft. Team called the dude busters. Dude busters love it. So, tell me how did that come about for you? How did you decide I mean nobody wakes up one day and just? Hey, I'm going to be a professional wrestler. Obviously, there's a lot more that goes into it. Yeah sure a great question in so for me. It. Maybe this is why I'm so passionate today about recognizing. Is You WANNA? Do in the dreams that you have inside of you that. At first, you may feel are silly or maybe stupid. In. Those are they're they're? They're not sillier stupid there for a reason and nervous inside curry member just I. Love WWF wrestling started watching when I was about ten years old. Hokkien was champion, and I just thought it was the coolest thing and I just stayed a fan of that list. I had a lot of my friends and I. People Today when I find when they find that I used to be arrested with W. They will usually almost always say oh I used to watch that at some point in their lives, it seems like a lot of people have watched wrestling and comes and goes with people, but for me I just I just never. wost interest in it, and so when I was twelve years old is when I started to think. Yes. This is what I WANNA. Do when I grow. So when I was eighteen and graduating high school I was like this is what I wanted to when I grow up, so it's just kind of always there, and I would say when I was a A sophomore in high school is when. I started to really seriously be like. This is what I'm GONNA do. There there was no youth. Or there is no youth pro wrestling leagues that I know so all I could really do was dream about it, but also some action, and can put behind it was at the train I played football in high school, but really my main motivation for going to the weight room was to get ready for my pro wrestling career and I withdraw my what my rustling gear would look like it can come up with names and stuff like that. Nice all right, so you were a professional wrestler for about ten years. Correct correct. Yes, okay, and I first of all I can't even imagine how challenging and taxing. That was on your body to do that on a regular basis. Yes it is in. The timeframe was Yeah, it was just under ten years I started A week after my twenty first birthday. And I ended when I was. Almost thirty one years old. and you know what's funny. John is this kind of speaks to when you love doing something so w w one thing they would so often do is they saw me? I guess I'm what you could call a purebred wrestler. This most of my friends were mostly guys. I wrestled with the grew up wanting to do it. They got into it. They love wrestling. Sometimes. WWe would go out in recruit guys just on their look alone. I'll be bodybuilders, or you know former football players. And sometimes at work, but put a lot of times. It didn't because those guys didn't have the passion for nothing against him He's just like I wouldn't WanNa go be a I don't know a hockey player. Just don't WanNa do that. So. I was those guys lacked often lacked pash. Not all of them have made your successful, but the ones that did our I was nine years into it before I. Even realized there's a guy name. We'll call him. Frank and frank was offering was a former football player didn't want to be there. He was always kind of complained. And I was nine years in before dawn on me. Thought Dude. If you don't WanNa do this. This would suck right in. beat up all the time all the travel. I. Just never really I was so into it and I love so much. It kind of just. You know he was kind of a badge of honor. I guess in a way. We call it being grizzled. You'd make up like dude. I'm feeling grizzled this morning. So. Yeah, your body gets Yemen. You take a beating right? You know which kind of goes to fake. It's like. I mean, it's choreographed, but even then it's its own unique thing. It's you can't plan everything out, so you kind of. React in the point is to protect each other while you're in there, but. I mean you can't not get beat up, right. Yeah. So, tell us a little bit about what it was like meeting all these different people that you did during that time, and was it easier difficult to establish those relationships. Yeah, you mean like people people. You worked with other wrestlers sure. Yeah, you know In a lot of ways, it's kind of like. What I do today with an entrepreneurial ship because. You know I think in a lot of circles than a nine to five is still considered. You know what you're supposed to do. And So with wrestling, you know not the most normal thing rate. Uh! Now when I got into, it was like wow alley. Start of the the blind melon video foam, no rain on. Remember that I don't vaguely I remember that yeah okay, and they kind of had a back with MTV played videos, they cannot a famous video. It was little, bumble, bee girl dancing. She was about eight years old and she up. in the whole video was her going around the city. Trying to fit in everybody's Kinda of looked at it was weird and just as a bumble bee. The very anti finds a whole colony of addresses, bumblebees and they dance, and so it Kinda was like that when I got in the wrestling like Oh, here's here's a bonchamps other people that grew up just like me. What being a fan of wrestling wanting to do it? so like anything else you become friends with the people you kind of gravitate towards In maybe the people that you don't you just Kinda, don't but I you know I I. I think. I was one of the. in the less minority of of people that Kinda got along with everybody and everybody pretty much liked me because it can get pretty political, because again it's it's. It's staged Sure what the more you win more money you potentially makes you can see how that can get political and but some of my best friends I. You know I'm friends with. A lot of the guys still today. Because, he just unique bond really. Together absolutely. So all right, so that was I would say. One step toward where you are today. And then you transition from that to. Being an art teacher mountain help us understand because those don't necessarily flow real easily one into the other, so help us understand that a little bit better. Yeah, you know in fact I was telling. My wife is last because a guy had message me on instagram and said. Hey I'm doing this paper. About people admire us, would you mind answering these questions for me is a fan of me when I was resting. I thought that's already cool. And, One of the which I know, we'll get into was why retired from pro wrestling? Turn the Rachel and I just said man. It's still kind of amazes me sometimes that. I out of wrestling like I've changed so much. I guess a lot of guys don't ever leave it. you know what that's fine. So for me. You know when I was twenty seven. I was still all I'm GonNa do this stress in my wife. I'm going to you know, do it as forever. In an just over the next few years I started to change. I started to grow Some more some personal growth And in in the united started have these thoughts like you know. I do want to settle down and get married have kids. it's you can do it when your wrestling, but it could be a little more challenging because it. Traveling all the time answer was in. Takata tired of the travel, but I done this. My entire twenty s This is around eighty, twenty, nine or so. Even in age thirty and then And then see in November of two thousand ten. so W does a lot house cleaning where. They discuss guys from the roster. They bring you guys in. It's kind of a revolving door on I've been let go from the company and no six and got back no eight. So I got let go me. You know handful of guys And, I got let go two thousand ten. And when they called me to let me know, it's like I knew right away, it'd be with wrestling so like part of me was. Totally a piece that in. Kind of excited because I was like. Wow, what's next and the part of me? You know it was just like. Oh, well! Jeez, now what do I do miss my entire twenty S. Any one of my best friends names, Luke gallows, he he, he got released with me he he's been back with the WWE Geez. It's been several years now and so you know if I wanted to go back. You know probably would happen. I just felt like man. You know I got the do this. I'm happy with what I've done them for. What's next in so yeah, now? What do I do though so? I I had my degree in art. I got my degree back in two thousand two. Because part of the deal with my parents, said look. If you want to do this pro wrestling thing, just get your degree in. You know we'll be supportive of it. Okay, here's out. They were a right because You know over the next few months I I just. I had seven space I didn't do anything anything which was great. He one just to do I think. So just got enjoyed myself in. And then you thought we'll have my art degree. Maybe look at something in art. I wrote a disembowelling some inventory. What I like what I don't like in. I thought I like working with kids. You know how can maybe I can become a elementary school teacher, and so I seek out a for each. Do you get into wrestling? It's like well. Same Way, how how do you become a teacher? I didn't I didn't go to school for teaching. How do you do that, so talk to a friend who was a teacher? She gave me some steps view and. Ended up taking a few tests and. Ended up getting hired with no experience at Lopez Elementary, the principal thought, it was pretty cool as former pro wrestler and Nice, he'd been a former professional tennis player. but they hired me. You know experience and Yes. I got my foot in the door. So after you got. Out of wrestling and you went into. Teaching When in that timeframe did you meet Rachel? Yes so. I met Rachel, the summer after my first. Year teaching. Okay so I'm sorry. I met her February so I met her lake. Let's he's been. Eight years ago this month Nice Yeah. I met her in February and Is a funny story so. We we hanging out And I was with a group of my friends. In. My friend Esther was there, and she had Rachel with her. Inside Notice Rachel right away I. Thought Oh. Hey, and I. Go talk to Esther. Trying to be cooling, I'm just want to talk to esther, but I'm really interested in at the WHO's your fridge? Has This is Rachel? Nine ever seen her before, and now we're and saint. Petersburg and Rachel was from Sarasota in. That's about an hour away and she said to me she goes. Hey, I just broke up with my boyfriend and really upset and I. Just wish he would take me back. That's one of the first things Rachel said to me. My immediate reaction was like Oh okay well. She's off limits I'm I'm leaving that alone. She later would tell me that was her way of letting me know she was single. Oh Man. Yeah, I left her alone. She was just like what's this guy's deal because she liked me immediately. And, then after about four months McConnell each other we had some mutual friends. I ran into her and she asked me out. She said Hey oh, wow. Yeah, and then she went back and forth order friends that I asked her out she. That's. Yeah, and then the cool thing was. This was my first. This is a year after I completed my first year teaching, so I had the summer off. Pretty cool eight and it was a realtor. And so you know she has some. She created her own schedule at the time and. I was living in Tampa. She was living in Sarasota but those first few months. We have the freedom just to kind of go. See each other. Whenever we wanted in, we did So yeah, we dated at summer and Yeah and then after three years got engaged. Do a half years I think. Go and you guys have been married. How long now it see Oct.. Oct Twenty fifteen so four and a half just four years. Yeah, there, you go, okay. Cool now related to Rachel and this ties in more with. Relationship stuff. What do you do to try and stay connected to Rachel now I? I realized that you're married, but you know that after you get married, it's really easy to stay disconnected because you get so busy doing other things. So what are some things that you do to try and stay connected to Rachel? Yes. That's a great point and especially right now with the way our schedules are we both have a lot going on. She's really busy. She's A. Nurse Practitioner working full-time, and she's also currently giving her seig nurse practitioner, online so. Yet in I'm busy, so what? This is one thing And can seem like a small thing, but it's it's been a big thing is so she comes home or if I come home. I make it a point to stop what I'm doing and I go over and hug her and I kissed her. In Asker Howard Bay was Nice. Yeah and that's like just a simple things that you know smarter than me of will me. Right. Here's what I noticed, was she? If she comes home, I'm in the middle of doing something I'm busy I'm being responsible. I'm working right Sir in Hebei. Power you, Yada, Yada it can right you kind of just get into a routine? other ways are. If there's some time to hang out and watch TV. Whatever she's watching it and watch TV with her. There you go Yeah I've seen more than my share of the real housewives of Atlanta. That is I didn't know it was and so. Title the name. I don't know the. Yes. Stuff like that, and and then you know if. It might seem silly to me. But it's. It's not silly to her things like She hates to put gas in her car. she's a she treats. She's a nurse practitioner. So and everything that comes with that and how to even get there, but she put gas in her car like stresses her out. Okay, so you know what I mean so to me. It's just like it's so dumb. Does do it, but I've learned. Just I do four. Shades in. Well. Tied in with that I would think something that's important to you is knowing your wife's love language and being able to speak her language back to her. Yes. That's been so helpful. Because you recognize something, you can then be like okay. This is what's going on here. my love languages words of affection. Okay. And Yeah Hers Is Acts Of Service. Well based on what you told us just a moment ago about putting gas in her car. That totally backs that up. Yup Yup in in. It's the smallest little was dumbest things like getting her a bottle of water where? Sometimes I want to say just go get it. You're right there. Right I. Just go get it. You know absolutely. That's the mistake that, too. Many guys make is us, not just guys. Most people make the mistake of trying to speak their own language to their partner now if they happen to have the same language that's great, but most don't. Yeah. I Yeah I am was rather just get it myself because I. Don't you know? Yeah, that's not the case for her I. Get it. Now something else that you do. That is very interesting. listeners. This is important for you to know Chris has his own podcast. It's called the Kris pavone podcast. And he has a special segment in his podcast. Happy Wife! Happy Life where he highlights Rachel many times. It's the two of them talking back and forth, but what prompted you to add that as part of your podcast, Chris? Yes, so one just think it's a great This kid for me always looking at that stuff. And I figured you know. I have a good relationship with my wife. It's by no means perfect obviously, but and I mess up a law, so let me let me highlight that in and look at ways that. I was able to correct something or recognized my mistakes and. But really it, I came from. The idea came from before I. Even had a podcast I started. Making these youtube videos just never fun. Okay, and that's even podcast came and. That all started because. Rachel was this when she was a nurse Practitioner School. She was studying with her friend. Chris him at a house. In Rato called me and was like well. You put you put gas in my car and we will you mind getting it washed? And I was like no other. You know the Sunday. I wasn't doing anything right in this before. I was in the coaching or anything, so I'm off on Sunday. Know Foot football season's over guy and You know and I was like no just in, and then I thought well. Let me just I'll go do it I. always say no at first and I'm like. Yell and go do it. Not Not always say no, but so I was like you know what I was. I recorded myself doing it. and. I kinda stage this thing of me of me. Talking to her, she she's not a double voice and later, but I'm talking off camera. And I loved her voice in later Saint Bay. Will you please take car of the college and I was like no be I have to do I. Don't have time and then like I get in the car. And I'm running my errands, and like the next scene I'm sitting in the car wash so like I filmed myself in the car wash mace posted on Youtube and people thought it was hilarious in so that's kind of where that idea. Videos called happy wife happy life. But yellow through it was just to. The segment is just yeah to highlight. Things we can do for our wave How it's often. There's freedom and looking at my side of the street. Yeah, now I can fix it. Sure all right, so one of the things that that a lot of guys have a hard time with especially after they get married is taking care of themselves and can be physically. It can be emotionally. It can be spiritually mentally. So what are some things that you do Chris to try and help improve you? Yeah Yeah Great Question So I've never called them this, but now that I think I mean in speaking about Bisbee are like non-negotiables so every morning, i. Wake up and I. Pray in my knees. Get a loan. And I just tie that to. Whatever I have going on in the mornings, if I have to be out the door at seven. I get up a make sure. I have enough time to to do that. In so I Pray every morning. Just reason I started reading. Some scripture in the morning kind of gotten away from that, so it's good to bring you know get. Get get that back in absolutely. and then my I've been working out for so long. It's kind of become routine, but. If you're out of it. You just get. You can get back into it, so it becomes a routine work out a five to six days a week. In us is important to me. In in you know and then I. Just I try to make time for the things that. Are Important to me like reading. I'm model railroading hobby you get that in. Over your right shoulder! Yeah, yeah, right I did. Yes very nice yeah. And you know on the big believer in IAGO take me so I could be my best self. Therefore serve others absolutely. Sir from half, tank or half-cup Pretty every night into and against. Jesus said take to the. To the healthy people need hospital. Sick people do. I'm so good. It's because yeah manages than either. All right well out of that abundance for overflow that you're talking about there a second ago. Springs Forth Your coaching that you do. And I know one of the things. If somebody were to go on your website, Kris pavone dot com for those of you who are listening at home or on the treadmill or wherever you're listening to this. If you WANNA get connected to Chris. That's one way to do it. But one of the things he has on there. Is this really cool? PDF that you can and. With your name and email in to get in exchange for that, and he talks about the five Rs so Chris tell tells about the five Rs. Yeah I can help if you want. In a while. I remember announced recognize. Yeah, yeah, recognize respect. You had together there, yeah! You're recognized respect. Number two was recorded. Yup. Recite it. Yes yay. Now the. Yeah, that's right. So. Those five Rs. What do they help a person? Yes, so kind of touched on earlier about my pro wrestling dream and I was a kid. I believe everybody has dreams a lot of people. You might talk to him. They say I don't have any dreams, but if you dig a little deeper, they definitely do. So yeah, recognize and respect it, so it's like recognizing with that dream is. What it is you WanNa do that big goal you have and then give it the proper respect deserves. Don't say stupid, don't. Show it under the rug. Sure you own it. And then year record it. Loss of studies, science and things that back up when we. Actually write something down in our own handwriting. You know kinda creates a level of commitment to it. You're talking about journaling. Yay Yay? Right your goals down, but but at the same thing right I journal often or I. Call it taking inventory. In. It could be something as simple a dude. This I'm really. This is bothering me. Why am I bother? Okay? I'm in fear of what am I fear of this? Thing, and then what at times I can see something in my own writing. It's like. That's that's a lie that ain't true or just self centered fear I. You know that's that's even an issue or you let type stuff. So required it. Then recite it. You know Let people know you don't have to tell everybody, but you know I think there's some ownership in sharing what you WanNa do and what your dreams are. And then. You know right now it's what actually can you take right now to? To make that start moving in that direction. And then and then from there. It's like reveling if you're doing those things as you're on your way to. You know to achieving your dream or reaching your goal, you know again it goes back to ownership and be happy and proud about what it is. You're that you're doing okay. Very? Cool one of the things that I like to say. Is that. Passion gets you started. Purpose keeps you going. And that's really kind of what I heard you say. Yeah, yeah, I would I would agree with that and Sure because you gotTa have a, we got to know purpose or purpose to your Y, if you will right and I think far too many of us when it comes to our purpose or why. We tend to. Ready, we do aim and we never fire. And, so one of the things that I'm learning is how important is to to gain clarity. Even just you know just a hint of clarity helps. Get me where I need to go. It's kind of a I have a coach and author coach who who said many has many times over the years has said. Clarity. Leads to competence and competence just means you know one thing really well. And that leads the confidence. Confidence is just an outward expression of what's already happened to you on the inside. Meaning a few other people can see that happening. So easy competence confidence, which leads to influence meaning just even a few more people then get started. Get really big when you hit impact. Now if you're talking about entrepreneurship than the last part of that is. excuse me income. Now for some folks what they're doing the incomes, not the important part, but to get those three seasons. Three is a really important yeah. So if you were to offer a piece of. To a guy today. Who maybe need some help improving relationships now it could be with his wife. It could be with his kids is clients co workers extended family whoever? What one piece of advice would you give today? Yeah great question. I would say. How can you serve the other person and I can look like anything. And B. J. win interested in other people okay so. How can you serve that other person? And how can you demonstrate your genuine interest in that person? Yeah, a lot of times. That's as simple as. Just listening, asking them about themselves about them. Listening. 'cause I used to think that I need to talk myself so then I would appear impressive. You would like me and think I'm cool and all that when. You Really Kinda just the opposite You know people love to talk about themselves. You know nothing wrong well, yes, so. That's from you know. It's been other places, but I guess. It's it's been somewhat made famous from how to win friends and influence people what he genuinely interested in other people and ask how they're doing What are they like you know? Tell me more about that interesting. Okay. Because if it's all about, you know, it's not all about me. It's all about me than. All relationships are going to suffer. GOTCHA! Now. If any of our folks loved what they heard about you, and how could they not? What are some great ways? Get in contact with you. Yeah. You can visit my website. It's Chris own dot com. One of the best ways. To connect is by listening to my podcast. That's the Crisp Abon Show Kris with a k., the bailable and your favorite podcast. APP In, also you can just email me any just wanted to connect that way. Chris at Kris pavone dot com in Dan I'm Christopher bone on facebook and on instagram. Cool, okay, awesome! Sweet! Oh, speaking of podcasts as a way to wrap up. What some podcasts that you like to listen to on a regular basis. So the the Clip Ravens craft show. Show Forty Forty days the work you love, and then that's Dan Miller folks. Yeah Dan, Miller In recently I've been listening to just from my coaching and the the people that have coached me. I've been listening to a lot of just like Steve. Chandler audio's seat jailers, the author of CO author of the prosperous coach. A bunch of other books do continuously work on my crap as a coach. I'm constantly listening to audio about coaching listening to. My coach coaching me in that that was self. audiobooks about coaching. So that's that plays A. Ethics a good amount of time in my car is well sure sure it's listening to most or at the gym, right? No, yeah, yeah, although I gotTA. Say when I'm working out. I have a really hard time listening to podcasts because. I maybe I'm unique in this I don't know but I. Really pump hard so I could be working really hard, because not that it isn't good content the contents great, but it's not enough to get my heart pumping. Rain sure. So that's just a a game. Yeah, right now. We all way be like serum absolutely. Yes sir mention, your mentioned Omer thing if anybody is. Interested in becoming a coach, or if you're currently coach, and maybe you're struggling with you, know the main part of it is king creating clients. I do I currently coaching school that I'm running but that's that's not open. There's four people in it. I keep it really small could really serve in have. Great impact with that starting the second one in begins in April, so would like to know more about that You can email me. Cool that's awesome man. Well you've got some great stuff going on Chris. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to. Speak to my tribe here and the folks who liked to listen to what's going on here at relationships and revenue. Yes very important things right? Oh, absolutely because. We as men always need help in improving our most important relationships, and when it comes to being an entrepreneur. You know what when we can take the focus off of ourselves. And we can take the focus off. With other people and serve them. Well. Makes all the difference. Yes! We will thanks again man through time? Really appreciate it. and. Thank you listeners for tuning in, and we will talk to you next time. Thanks for listening to relationships and revenue I'd love to get your thoughts on the show. Two ways you can do that, are to give us a rate review, and or connect with me on social media. You can find me at John Human. Thanks again for listening and remember. PASSION GETS YOU STARTED? Purpose keeps you going. Have a great day and we'll see you next time bye.
Midweek bonus 1: how we're going to get through this...
"Well hello. We don't normally speak at this time of the week but as we say here in England we're facing what I would call a bit of a rum do at the moment with this corona virus outbreak. And I've been hearing lots from you about how much you're appreciating the sound of Medusa Tones. Right now so. I'm going to be doing everything I can to bring you some extra stuff during this really difficult time and in this bonus episode amid weak bonus. Episode. I'm going to be telling you what I'm planning to do. And we'll also be hearing from a listener in meet the listener so a little bit of extra content to keep you going in these tough times. I know already on. The Ledge provides a really important part of everyone's week on a Friday. Or One of you happen to listen and with many people either self-isolating home or feeling a bit stressed at work. This is a time when all of us need to hunker down and have some downtime where we can think about something other than our health and the health of our families and friends. And that's where on the ledge comes in. So here's what I'm going to be doing and what I've already started doing fact. So number one houseplant. Our this is an hour of twitter chat over on the social media platform. No news twitter. This usually happens once every two weeks or once every fortnight as we say here in the UK. Do you have term in America? You Have Game Kufo Ni- surely you know what fortnight is. Anyway so usually houseplant. Our happens every two weeks but at the moment I think that all of us could benefit of a weekly dose of plant positively so I did one an extra one last night nine o'clock GMT. There'll be another next Tuesday at nine o'clock GMT. So please if you are on twitter joined in if you're not on twitter joined to Jesse can join in and it's easy to do. All you need to do is follow me on twitter. Where I'm Jane Perron. I also have an account for House Plan Tower at House plan tower. Follow either of those accounts and you kept be kept in touch with what's going on and you can just follow the Hashtag House Plon Tower which he should put on every post that you contribute to the thread. What can you post? Well you can just ask a question you can share some pictures of your plants be Monja plant disasters show of plot holes. Whatever you want to do. Sometimes I'll throw out question or offer some tips myself last night. I offered long thread of suggestions for things that people could do. Perhaps don't have many houseplants ready or one to extend what they're growing so take a look at that. Put a link to it. In the show notes it was things like grabbing some coriander seeds out of your spice rack and sewing them as micro Greens. Just really simple things you can do right now. If you've got a fair few minutes spare to do something that might provide you the little punch of flavor in your food in the coming weeks and also just gives you something to concentrate on number two house plunked buddies so I've set up a scheme. Where if you need support. Chattan advice then. You can pair up with another listener to get this a mainly running this through facebook. There's opposed on the house. Plant Funds on the Ledge Creep. Way You can tell a little bit about yourself and hopefully find somebody to match up with. And then you can swap twitter. Dm's or facebook DM's or instagram DMZ. I think that's probably the safest way to do it. And just it's an opportunity to just maybe have a chat with somebody who might have the same plot interested you and you might need that extra bit of support one to one so go and look about facebook post if you are a member of House Plant Funds on the Ledge. 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Oh you are so sorry you know how this happens are usually edit this out but I'm gonNA keep it in because it might be fun. So yes if you become a legend or superfan remember you unlock extra bonus content. So you'll be coming along and you'll be unlocking forty extra episodes of the podcast could come in. Handy for few weeks of self-isolation so that's an option. If you want to do something to support the show but you want to get something back which is absolutely fair enough. Then one thing he could do is take a look at my merchandise shop. There's twenty percent off right now until the twentieth of March you just have to go to the site. And you'll see the link to redeem that the black bar top which is where you can redeem the discount if you go to Jane Perron Dot Com. You will find a link that says shop in the top right hand corner that will take you to the shop. And just now I have added a new design. 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Listen so if you run out of episodes of on the ledge you will be able to check that out and look at what other podcasts in the planty world worth listening to you because there are many and they really deserve your support so I will post that in all the usual places. Once it's live and Friday's episode is an interview with Eagle Rock Judith of urban jungle bloggers about the new Book Plant Tribes. So that will be unto. And now just as. You're getting sick of the sound of our voice. Let's meet listener. Jen Time. My name is Jen. I am in the United States Rhode Island the East Coast I've been the person who loves plant since I was plenty of my teens. Late teens early twenties ahead a budget plan home and then when I went to college I had to get rid of the mall and I took a long time to come back to them but Maybe about two three years ago. This point I started collecting again and I have a huge collection now. Probably around one hundred fifty plants or so Keeps growing lots of thanks to listening to on the ledge and learning about new plants to collect question one fun and all your plans are about to burn. We want you grab as you escape. I would say I would probably grab my Govan Nossa just because I've never seen it again since I bought it was only one actually the nursery when I bought it and there are known anyone else that has one and I looked at a few websites online in this always out of stock nobles. I don't think that would be replaceable. So it's difficult to properly so I haven't been able to do that so are probably grab that once. I couldn't get another one question to what these your favorite episode of all allege. My favorite episode probably would be the. I think because Marion episode. I just think I learned a lot and episode. I'd never known much about those plans. I thought the Expert was really informative and I just found it really interesting. And of course led me to buying a handful of Guzman's after that question three which lasting name. Do you say to impress people usually when I start mentioning? Latin names people's eyes glaze over so I don't too often onto my plant friends but I think my favorite near the moment would be rough for Tetris. Sperm Sounds Kinda cool question. Fool Cross you mentioned acid metabolism attention. I'm going to say contagion just because I don't even know Chris you. Sation metabolism is so yeah. I know containers. I've seen my parents do and it's pretty cool question five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on a variegated monster? All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting category. This is a tough one but this is a hypothetical two hundred pounds or dollars because I would never spend that in real life. I'm GonNa say even though I love Cacti love intestine CACTI I would go with the variegated monster because I really want one and I really have no idea where I would put twenty Cacti in my house anymore. So the pretend money I would go with the monster. Thanks to JEN. And thanks to my Assistant Kelly. Who Edits all the meat the listener slots that's it for this midweek bonus episode? Let's stay in touch. Keep talking keep looking after your plants stay strong by the music you heard in this episode was roll Jordan Roll by the joy drops and chiefs by Jigsaw both tracks a licensed degraded comments. Cj PEROT DOT COM for details.
146: The NY Cosmos Theme Song With Musician Steve Ferrone
"Kozlov AW Soccer Romar stadium in Washington. DC THE QASR both the Washington diplomats right to you black budweiser beer when you say Budweiser set at all by the Volkswagen Porsche. Audi dealer organization in New York New Jersey and Connecticut nearby independent Gulf dealer who carries roof spans tires. Batteries had incentives. All your on by your local neighborhood. Welcome them to good seats. Still available a curious little podcast devoted to exploring what used to be in professional sports. Here's your host. Tim Hanlin all right. Let's do this. Everybody how are you. What's new and what's going on my name is Tim? Handling and this is good seats still available are curious. Here is a little podcast that is devoted to what used to be in professional sports. Thank you tremendously for finding ascend downloading US putting us in your ear buds. Doing whatever you do to ingest this crazy little genre that we like to sort of focus on that that being teams and leagues no longer with us defunct previously domiciled whatever and most of longtime listeners know perhaps the Seminal reason for why I've been doing this for almost three years now kind of got born from my childhood memories of a of a tremendously successful and perhaps even know it sort of really at the time. dynamic soccer franchise known as the New York Cosmos Back in the late seventies and early nineteen eighties. They played a giant stadium in beautiful downtown Down in the swampy marshes there the meadowlands in East Rutherford a New Jersey Right next door to what is now the relatively new metlife stadium built now in the shadows of the old giant stadium but for a a number of years some of the largest crowds were not for New York football giants games or even New York jets games for that matter but that of the New York Cosmos and we love to sort of offer sort sort of these little bonus episodes in our deeper and perhaps No stone unturned exploration into that of of the Cosmos and the legacy of that team and this week is a very special endeavour towards that and we get into a fun filled session both with musically and memorably around sports and the cosmos In particular with our special guests this week Steve Perron The longtime drummer drummer for Just a monstrosity of a phenomenal acts Over the years the average white band of course during the years during the year COSMO's existence and we're GONNA get into that and the cosmos theme that you heard at the beginning at the outset. That's Jim Karvellas that you heard Doing being a promo an intro for an early season I think it was April eighth. Nineteen seventy-nine away game against the Washington diplomats at Yeah the Cosmos Cosmos theme produced created performed by Steve Sharon and his bandmates at the time of the average white band. who were quite the thing in the mid to late? Nineteen seventy s on the Atlantic records label. And that's part of the story that we're going to get into a Steve His memories the composition of that that That that theme song I mean talk about a legacy in music. I mean Steve Not only was in the average white band but went on to become the. The drummer Four I don't know it was maybe fifteen twenty years with Tom. Petty and the heartbreakers as the years rolled on it was just an amazing studio musician. Session Guy For a literal. Who's who of songs and albums From from some of Pop music's as a pop music success short pop music's greatest names hall of famers an all shock Akon and durant Iran's scrutiny polity the BG's Anita Baker George Benson Whitney Houston Bryan ferry a patent Athenee. Steve Winwood I mean it goes on Jeffrey Osborne and Paul all sine I it just goes on and on and on and it you know there's probably nobody in the professional music scene that Steve has not played with or is not playing with now as he continues to roll on in a many decades long career and a lot of it sort of got. Its fuse lit when he was with the average white band in the mid to late nineteen seventies and that is when he and his bandmates Hamish. Stuart and Ah Us at the classic version of the ban on a mcentire. Alan Gorrie part of that mixture when the average white band and arguably the house band for this team called The New York Cosmos and the theme song for that team. And we're GONNA get into that with with Steve Talk about sort of how all these things is. Cosmic things if you will came together and Atlantic records and Warner Communications which owned the team and the label that the average white band was on the number one single and album that they had and all that kind of stuff. We're GONNA talk about all of that stuff amid word again initially hurt again and Steve Ross and and all the great sort of uh of sorts of things that sort of came together at sort of made that sort of happened. I think. Find it fascinating and intriguing as I did with our guest this week. Steve Perron or it's a for Oni. We'll talk about that in a second to In our chat coming up in just a couple of it's fun it's a great excuse to talk music and And Steve is a wonderful cat. We look forward to sharing that chat with you in just a few moments. 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That's perhaps the best way to show your love and support for our show by making a purchase there. Of course we get a little bit of a little bit of love when you do so Early and often we appreciate your doing so and of course we appreciate. You're continuing to listen to our fun. Chat with the Great. The legendary musician and drummer extraordinaire Steve Perron. And here's czar chat. We had just Just before the holidays please enjoy so first first of all. Thank you for for for taking some time. So let me ask you this question. Steve because maybe we can start just with the name right. Because I heard you on the Don Cromwell podcast a couple EXPEC is it. Steve Steve Yes votes but most people what do you want to be called called and had it how why is there any confusion in the first place. It's a long story. It really is them story. Like when I was when I was gone it was actually Efi and I they put on the bus. They used that name until because when I came out I didn't look like I was black. I looked like I was so they decided that ah the this woman's have been disease. The midwife been to see a movie this guy they could never remember his name and his name was rowdy already she said. Why don't we told him? Tony for no They named Tony. When when I took my parents felt stupid? Black kids in the name so well. My Mother did so so they changed the I to e. pronounced announced but all my friends just east you call me around the anyways I I honestly when when people when people read it they say they say for them if they asked me my name say like my nature. I don't understand what so if I say they get it right away. I answer to you but but you don't answer the Tony. No No. That's perfect. That makes perfect sense. I think I think even even the most die hard music fan probably does even know where understand all that story but but it sounds like it. It's not easy to say. I was born in Nineteen fifty. My mother was white and my father. It was black and I was illegitimate. That's all you gotta do. This only got to figure out is It wasn't that easy in nineteen sixty. It wasn't that easy now. That doesn't really mean too much but back then it was a scandalous. You've got pregnant and you were married my mother. My mother got pregnant by black nine then she wasn't married so that caused a bit of a scuffle trying stuff tons of wacky. Well it doesn't it doesn't seem to have a scarred hard you too much as you went on your career arguably it may be set the tone before what became a very creative and musical career so as you know this little show is focused on teams teams and leagues and Sports. That have come and gone. Right and COSMO's was certainly something that That's why I reached out to you originally and before we get to that part of the story story though. That's what I want to focus because Lord knows we could spend hours which I know you wouldn't want to do about your lustrous career in music because it's just it's ridiculously long long and amazing. Just even get into but for this part of the story right a lot of you in the cosmos right was was centered around this thing called the average white band it maybe a little bit of background as to how you got to that band in the mid seventies well. I was I was raised with the original drama. Would vocally Macintosh with the French. I was about seventeen years old and we've made the digitally and And then I I've followed him into a couple of different bands and He he started Saudi pavement despite average white band. And I've been to see maybe pay no really really good enjoyed them and then You know we'll we all sort of came up listening to the same sort of the same sort Rubik Sony Music American music. We will very very much into that. ANYWAYS WE YEAH WE WON'T BE POSSIBLY OF A of a drug drug but those and I I was staying with the Banco blood. Sonos do the movie with this Michael Gladstone. Sure on RB group. Yeah they did a movie and I was working on moving the and I you know I said to the guys I said you know. I'm sure we'll be one of the guys. Want to keep going keep going 'cause it just doesn't budge. You're having some success and I will go play some gigs with them. And if I could do the GIG stick soup of the Crusaders would go through the so both six I would try to help them. Keep going and And then finally one day I was saying they kicked them down at Long Beach. Long Beach. Arena the old Long Beach Arena and after the show this little guy came. Get up to me and say you gotta be in the band and I said well it's not to be but you know I'm under contract to the Stone Age it you're out of that contract bridge white the house to the back and he'd say oh that's that's the other and I'm it was the chairman of Atlantic coast. He knew what he was talking about that. Well so that's I mean that's a man. Yeah I'm an Oregon's obviously a very big part of this cosmos story in a second but let's put it in context right you're coming in. You're invited volunteered to be part of this band at. You're you're being charitable because this is when a WBZ was literally on the cusp of. I mean they had they basically you had a number one smash hit in the United States with pick up the pieces. I mean you literally and figuratively. We're helping coming up and helping pick up the pieces for this band. Absolutely gets route six and I six super myself we we we both. We both contributed. That was one of the reasons that we thought that they should keep going a really on the edge. Just having this break breaking distract It and it didn't seek night. They should you know seem kind of disrespectful respectful to rubbing even think about something that point even though everybody was terribly terribly affected by By Semis he's like that. Before we get off of this sort of point of it I mean I guess as a as a drummer as now now a key an integral part of the band. How does how do you fit in so quickly where you're supporting an album and a hit single and maybe even another hit single you know that arguably you really you weren't part of in the studio? So how does the band react to you. And how do you react to them. What's the VIBE is? You're on the road to support this album. Met You really not part of creating. Well you know what I mean. Let me let me put it this way we. We weren't while so this is going on the bamboo in addition to find a job and the job I mean I don't I wasn't really looking to join event really thoroughly early. Enjoy playing with the band. I'm like I said we all came up listening to the same the same music. We had a really big background background in our and be listening to motown going out and dancing in the club some younger. Listen to my mobbing guy is you. You know the older motown over the mountain acts We would like huge fans of that so music of this reading and then you know then to the stack stuff and we. We were very much in into the same kind of music and and so for me to sit in and play with. The ban really wasn't difficult to rub a night. We were huge friends of each other strumming coming we were good friends. Dementia a couple of bands. I wasn't that I sat down and and I think about you know being Macintosh to join in the bank myself styles very different but very compatible because we liked the same sort of music. We had the same focus. The Ed good so it was a relatively smooth transition albeit for obviously the emotional toll and the just the the tragic circumstances for sure absolutely. I mean we were all really affected by Roby's by roby rubbing passing. I mean we you know we've known we were friends. We knew each other real. I was mainly close mission and with with Robby Robby. I knew I known years before. Average white band. The ended up seeing Santana. He he used to play in a band called the Senate I initially and and We we used to stay in the same hotel Together man guitarist some my band and then there was probably an well we used to do was listen the music and drink cheap wine. That was about it you know and and go and see people go to clubs and and You know we were very very very close so most of most of the fans that I've been in You know even down to the heartbreakers. I noticed that there was a when I once I got to know you know. Tell them Mike and talk to them about the same age h We're all going nineteen fifty and one of the guilt about the music that we're listening if we will listen to back. When we were teenagers we used to listen to look of the same music you know? So that Kinda made it an easy transition for me to get into the into the heartbreakers. We'll talk to me about at Arctic in them because you referenced him earlier obviously give audience a sense of WHO. This guy was right because not not only did happen ear but he was he was transcended I think in terms of music at Atlantic records and hurt something with you for sure. Yeah I mean he and his brother other nationally they started off as being like jazz fans knew that was sons of diplomats A Turkish diplomats and they were they They were huge jazz. Fans they go around and listen to these people Making this music making jazz and and then I decided well this this record this stuff. It's it's You know they they. Will you know wealthy guys from a wealthy background and They add some privileging that they wanted to start recording this music and they took an interest in the music. They were very much from the music. They didn't come into the business to make money that was just by the side of AH. They came into really have fun you know. They had fun might enormous amount of money at the same time it was it was. It was the perfect accident you know and they surrounded themselves themselves. They surrounded themselves with with like minded people such as Jerry Wexler Tom. Dowd are- monitoring some of the guys that have produced some of the most classic music. I I was I was uh I was at a a video. Shoot the other day and it was sort of background a backup movie to the not. The snake bit. What was the the movie that they made about the Los Angeles musicians the wrecking crew? Yeah sure yeah. So they too chose and so it was like they're doing a follow up to the wrecking crew. And I said to the guy well when you GonNa do movie about about the The the the East Coast East Coast Memphis guys. I mean it was. It's like the the the amount of meat came out of out of the New York in the musician. Music and musicians. It was absolutely phenomenal. You know we're talking about a different sort of. It's a different world out there now with the musically you know things it seems. It's all about like the bean counters go home about business and they and they kind of forgot where it came from. You know it was it was meant to be like and and and an and music explained to me. Then what what the vibe and the scene at Atlantic records in nineteen seventy four seventy five seventy six the middle seventies with the urban brothers. You're mentioning Arafat Martin. It's just had to be a proverbial once in a lifetime but but kind of a unique situation relation. What that would that vibe was like? Not only the band but also just Atlantic records generally. It was fantastic. It was you know it was it was it was creative. Everybody had the space the time to to create to to see what they they could come up with to even like go in different directions and the more we going in before it was an amazing amazing amazing Mike. Jen Experience to be that you know so many there were so many good friends. They called it the lunch family and still today online as a group a group of people that were employed the former boyzone. You're talking about a and presidents vice president's Own still connected online still talking to each other and show up at the other's funerals musicians It was very much a family you know. Everybody really love their job. I don't know that Samantha that surround anymore I used to I. I remember I remember once is going on in Capitol in Capitol records and In in capital studios in in Los Angeles. And I was downstairs and the Guy Upstairs in conference for Capitol Records that I was downstairs and came down in introduced himself and so please come up with the meets. The people in the office went up to their office and walked around there and said that they introduce me to everybody and loaded me up with. You should listen to this album and album and they gave me like a Oh bunch of albums and and It was really nice to meet them and and I had nothing to do with that with that with that. With that label. Everybody was sort of in the music business together. We will. Everybody loves music and whether you were on their on their label it was. It was just a question of like You know sort of like earned your stripes and and they want me to meet you wanted to know you wanted to know about you and therefore that's when and you know great. Collaboration started typing. When people say well can you play? When this person's album some great music was might how much of that was Atlantic records specifically clear? How much of that was just being in the music industry in its Hay Hay Day and I believe that the music industry was was was was was pretty much like I mean you know I go to cool ones from her belt? Put any honestly if I could come out to Los Angeles and then I have to work on somebody. He Says No. No no just coming out with like to meet you for a second. You know. So he flew me out from Los Angeles and And I went and met him and we went and had lunch with it he just wanted to May maybe some reason. I guess that you heard some music about music. Played on talking about music and and that was about it the the I. I don't see that happening now. In record companies see that interaction between musicians musicians and and And record companies. Well let's also put in perspective for our audience right. I mean you're not just any sort of run of the mill drummer right. You're playing in one of the hottest bands in the mid seventies with the average wipe back. I mean you're you're playing on on amazing debut albums like Chaka Khan's album at seventy I mean you have a distinct style and and I and you're making a more than a name for yourself at a number of different fronts whether it's Atlantic records or otherwise right so but but it does speak to think that seventies sort of mid seventies kind of creativity tiffany that to your point. Earlier is is just completely sucked out of the industry these days but I you know Atlantic it was somewhat unique in in the extremes by which it supported that creativity is that a fair statement away. I'd say Atlantic records it was was a vanguard in that in that area area because they just because of the the state that they signed. I mean when you think of it you know the rolling stones Farhana average white band. BG's I mean you know what they call Wea Warner Elektra. Atlantic was was a powerhouse. Hey shake it had all these different you know from our Franklin led Zeppelin. I mean come on one label think about it. What label Aretha Franklin? I led Zeppelin. I mean now it does right now. They sort of they put themselves in these little pockets. We do we do Indie rock or we do rap. We do you know there's nobody does that kind of kind of Of signings innings now the the spreads did just loves great music. No good music not even talking. Good music you're talking about great music the Franklin. That's just that's not and then he got the rolling stones some average white band the OJ's he's You know I mean foreign You Hey you know I spent his you know I mean it's it's it's all I'm still I'm still have a label that produces music from John Coltrane Miles Davis McCoy. tyner Max Roach Blakey all the Great Jazz Artists One label. I mean not good incredible and still still stands the test of time. Sure that you know at the time has special. That was honestly no no. It's not gonNA pay more attention to it. You know. It's like A. I went to see when I was a little kid. When I first started applying I started probably with kids that writing years old and I was thirteen and and these kids were like into into the blues and they took me to see these Blues Blues Tours? With Sonny Terry -Tarian Brownie mcghee and and Lightning Hopkins in this league and I mean just generally hookah uh-huh the older great blues artists on one tour. I go and see that and I enjoyed it but I didn't realize what it was. I was watching until now. I'm thinking man I I should have paid more attention to that when I see those guys like standing in front of me so they think these things you don't. I really realized you know that when you're in person so Hendrix when I was a kid playing Brighton as I paid more attention to that I'm enjoying it. I enjoyed it. I had a great time doing it but I should have paid attention. Amazing time that you were there at Atlantic and with the Erdogan's but okay. But let's let's also put this in context Atlantic records or we Warner Elektra. Asylum right is also a part of this relatively newly formed conglomerate recalled Warner Communications owned by a very interesting guy by the name of Steve Ross. And all kinds of stuff go on. What's your our exposure to the rest of the company and and Steve Rawson particular? Either through the Americans are just generally well you know I mean I my my days of mainly when we needed to stay in and we'd still the same around. He's halo like hi guys. How're you doing that? And then you know when the cosmos things started being as we from England and we were. We were football stopped back then That we started to go on Sundays. You know we could go Out and see this these these guys in that some great players out there you know Pele and Beckham ballots name but to the with the that were out there Eh. Playing great great football and We could go and see this really enjoy ourselves. Yeah so so. So I'd say Steve Leave us. He had seven. You know it's funny. He used to be up in the in the in the Middle Tier. Like just right. We always used to be down on the ground around and and he was up on this Middle Tier and he had a special belt made what he would put round his waist and put over the Over the railing in government. Casey got too excited pet over the railing that he would that he wouldn't fall all the way down into to the crowd of his funniest thing. Have this special belt on there but once you get various well I. I've read a lot about Steve Ross. I've met his son a couple couple of times and Mark and indeed. I mean he was beyond passionate about that that cosmo soccer team. I think it's partially in many respects like a lot of people who wanted to get an NFL franchise. American football was not able to do any saw soccer as sort of his sort of next best opportunity to be a a pro sports baron and it was every stadium was cut every Sunday. It was just jam-packed sold out I was I was trying to figure out why it was more of a i. I don't know anything about the business side of it but I I was it was onto belated laid the hey. This is taking a really really strong strong grip on on Air New York. Anyway you know I everybody was is like the South Americans Hispanics English Scottish Germans. Italians the mishmash that you got there. In New York. Everybody wanted going to st the cosmos and it was just fantastic. It was offensive especially when we go out to some. Let's get to that but just to remind our audience or even just introduced the concept to our audience that I think people forget in in the mid to late seventies New York was an interesting place to be on a number of different levels. But but these COSMO's Osmo games were a cultural phenomenon right. I mean not only were were were star musicians like you guys in the stands but but it was the cause celeb- CELEB- for everybody from Andy Warhol to Paul knew the rolling stones the dresser and it was it was an incredible assortment of stars and it was almost like studio fifty four West for a period of time while playing soccer as well. It was amazing a- absolutely and I it was great I mean and they had like I I remember the The Italian team came over and or the French king. French came over and And played because Moss and so that was like a You know I'm having such a cosmopolitan city like New York. Anyway you know sort of everybody will come and see their plays and and having such a international team like the cosmos with English players to South America Brazilian Argentinean Italian players Knowledge or joke and audio You know I it was just wonderful to everybody. went to see that it was like it was like it was just like this this World Cup team with all the players all these all these great players from from from from around the world and everybody went to see these people play together. It was wonderful uniting trading. Yeah Yeah and and talk about not necessarily appreciating it at the at the moment I mean that as a kid growing up watching those games right you know. Only in hindsight derecognised just how cosmic Smick if you will that that array of talent was at that time and and it was truly A special blend of situation for that eighteen to be on their. Oh absolutely and it was just it was just so much fun and it was really it was just it was. It was really enjoyed it and he was kind of weird for us to say. I mean 'cause I generally and everything it's not like you really you know. Football Games not like American guidance. Where the the the the the audience needs needs to be told to make noise a football? I call it football. What you call it what you would call it soccer In America we don't really need We don't really need much. Egging on the Mike Noise. A at a at a soccer game or football icon and I can't call it soccer. It's just really hard for me to call it soccer. I always say when American flag football football they might stand a chance of winning the World Cup Doc. I would agree with that logic. I highly subscriber. All right. What's this the Arizona Office of Tourism Spring Training? God Hey this spring. Follow your favorite baseball teams to Arizona for Cactus League spring training amazing weather and landscape exciting outdoor adventure incredible Food Arizona. It's the perfect home base as for baseball fans. 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Guess I'm I'm took to modern modern producer and said. Hey listen you know you guys WanNa come up with some 'cause they they knew that we would like you know. Studying English is just like crazy about about football. I love football and they wanNA write something for the for the For the team so I had an idea for this. I had had an idea for this. The bad They that that was that was kind of it. And so the came up with this beef written an island came up with the baseline and sort of put it together and then they incorporate which was like the big thing everybody did that England. I'm in England when the World Cup and back in the one that long before you know so we thought we put that into cousin Cosmos I put that in there and and And so we recorded we recorded this recorded yourself and you know bank added Yeah into it. Came to like putting it to the team the team like it and And and it was Kinda funny because the team wanted to have as the theme song for the we are the champions by queen but but The the the the J. Leded said no we down to something. We can dance to that so the cheerleaders. Kinda want us out one of the one of the The victory I believe so. That's what I heard anyways. So you're saying it that that that it really in the studio Kinda came together pretty quickly then Yeah I mean I just I just yeah I I you know I just thought you know this idea for you. Know it's like a theme for number just sort expanded on that thing that I had the beaten in the they eighty e data. That was that was that was the thought of it. That was the It got played not only after every every goal in the In the state but also became a hallmark of all the advertising and all the the cosmos broadcasts and all that kind of stuff where did the name cosmic highlanders come come from. Was that something legally that you had to do versus saying awb or was that just a kind of A. They bought it they. I bought the whole thing. They bought it. They bought it. They bought the whole thing and they I guess they wanted that to the should be as and so they. Well we kind of the average white band on it. We signed away. We signed away any ownership until it was that pleasure to give some music to the cosmos and that was We we were on to be able to do that. So give me a sense. Then of we're you. It sounds like you're obviously soccer fans but did you did you sort of get into this whole cosmos theme theme because it did seem like the scene. It did seem like it was you were a member of the Warner Communications Company. You're you kind of had to be By the Cosmos thing whether you liked it or not but I suspect that you liked it pretty much. Oh No we love. We loved it it was I mean we like in football stuff. I mean when we went back to England always going to games. You know we used to go. Lisa go to Scotland England Games all the time and being the only English member of average white man disguise where time it was going on angel. Well we were kind of stopped at that Be Yeah I mean we used to be and then we used to run around and play. We there was a couple of clubs up in Connecticut. Where Molly Molly and an island lived? They've got a bit of a football team that we used to go. We used to go out there and play a bit. You Know Rod Stewart was out here in Los Angeles and used to him and he's he's he's English buddies ladies used to have a a football team. That used to play out here. I mean nothing that we'd ever get to play against each other for them. I mean when we when we were out here in Los no scientists working with number so I'm book humber so good Sika. The engineer it he from. He's from Brazil and and he. He had a lot of Brazilian friends. So we go and play football with him and his zillion friends so we used to play back. Then in those days we could We could run around quite a bit and play and it was We used to enjoy having a kick around but we never it was never on the TV. I mean I'm a when they had when they had the World Cup here in the United States There was the semi final was on and I was in a cab going to going to New York. Airport getting ready to fly over to Europe and I mean is a Puerto Rican contractor. We're trying to find a football game on the on the radio the and They were playing was it was the replay on the sports channel on the sports channel. Planning a replay of the the Stanley Cup Guy that year and so it was really so disrespectful they got. It didn't get very much respect from the from the sports media. You know so maybe that was why it didn't really kick off straight away from that I mean thank God for the American Ladies Team who just on one of those in interning interest around Probably more so I would say more so than the than the mountain then the mountain The the USA lady soccer team is just an wondrous wonders. Wanted US jobs they great great. Joel table deservedly. Deadly world champions when Pele was was part of the team in seventy five seventy six seventy seven even and still related to the to the team after he stopped playing he famously as part of his deal with Warner and the Cosmos had had a head of music clause in there he actually could use it and and I think he collaborated with Sergio Mendez on on some stuff. Were you ever part of the mix or you ever asked has to be part of the mix of of maybe helping get a couple of things out there in recorded music. No no the Saturday no would love to. That would have been fantastic pelley quite a bit. So it'd be wonderful and that no that never would they had. Yeah well I mean I. I don't know how great a musician -sition he was. I mean I've heard some of the music. It's not bad the album but I mean you know. People don't think ascribe him as being sort of the concert musician per se but but knowing in all the stuff that that was swirling around and and Atlantic records at the time I was wondering if they would just part of the stable of being maybe possibly part of the mix. Well now I mean I I I would never really had too much to do with any any of the players you know so other than just be fines and go and watch the game that was it. You know we were just really there was we. Were just happy to do that. Anything that you remember that stands out about the Erdogan's or Steve Ross. or any of the other crazy. COSMO'S EGOS that. Were sort of out there and stuff that that Or was it just sort of a big mouse stream of of stars and soccer and and your music blaring on the moments in Games. The the the the the that that you'll never that you'll never forget. You know I mean it is When I told her about the French team playing the cosmos they they they really sort of handed because most there is is but they probably wasn't playing and none of the? None of the finale was playing a lot of the the the the the main players mainly like a US they put together for that the But you know there was. There was some really. There's there's some really great great moments being out of football you know. Menendez moments is certain goes sort of sticking my head that The the people that people school or Kanani was very much guy was sort of hang around. hang around the you know almost aside area. Just hang around there. We called him a bit of a go hang a but when when he got on the end of it was just amazing. Putting in the back of the net is just could really Greg Greg player and so I did it was it was that and it was just wonderful to be a part of the whole thing really. I mean to be part of Atlantic. The antics of the family to be a part of the of the ecause knows they just started wave. Making you feel pot of of of of of the company and and and you know if it's is worth anything at all. I still do feel very much a part of that company. I still have very very fond memories of of the museum that we may be the response and then and Sessions and stuff that I did with domino to get in and he was. He's just like a wonderful wonderful wonderful mine and A I just Him and his wife me Just wonderful people. Next week he's brother To ensure a move as a basketball player of a Turkish pocket basketball player came over and worked in in in our in in Atlantic records. Just a really great man and his wife. Susan and You you know it's It was it was it was. It was a wonderful wonderful moment you had to. Everybody should have a moment lead that well your your career obviously was on fire Ah In those late seventies and early eighties and you're more than on your way beyond even just the the the constraints if you will of the average white band but while that what was going on and if the shock I mean we could literally spend a day going through literally all the all the great artists and bands that you played with and then some afterwards but while that you're red hot music career is ongoing and while we have you talk still about soccer for a couple more minutes. What do you you think having? What do you think what do you what do you think was the demise of the cosmos? I mean eat. Saw It in the heyday but you probably also were around enough to sort of see it decline. What was your perception of why? Maybe it didn't last long for me. It just came to a screeching halt. It was kind of you know like we went on the road and we started working and and and and do something an average what mankind found trying to stop stop working together and was was more involved with the in in doing next session work and and working with other people durand around their laps and stuff. I like that traveling out of the country and then one day a ten minute. I'm like so what happened to the cosmos. Where did they go? You know it was one of those things I don't know I guess it's Kinda like I think it's maybe you can compare it to to to today's music industry. It's like the sudden you look around in. What does that go with? It waited those who will go with him. Where did that did that? Where did that that that way of making music go instead of being so much of a business? It's like you know I guess the the difference between between then and now is is if you went and sold somebody and you and I went to a refund or Amadeo said many. You know I just saw this. This this person plane in this club just incredible. Only what what what what were they doing and start talking to you about the music the last thing thing that they would ask you was how old are they. What did they look like? You know it was it was it was all about all about the music and and And and and they spend with Whitney that go. That's that's kind of gone now now. It was the same thing that happened with the Cosmos was woman was there like burning real bright. And then the next minute was gonNA and I couldn't figure out why because every Sunday was sold out so you tell me. Yeah well we we've gone through a bunch of that with some of our our previous episodes and stuff and and it's it's complicated. They're a bunch of reasons. I mean one of which was the COSMO's right. Were the top spending team by then it by a large margin right and there are a lot of teams that struggle to keep up with that kind of paycheck kind of thing and the top talent and television wasn't really solidifying and it was popular in New York and a few other markets. But you know there were twenty some odd other teams out there not all of which were nearly as financially secure and warner communications had its own issues in the early eighties with Qatari in particular that kind of sabotage the rest of the company and frankly a lot of the and I suspect this sort of as you were segue out of. Awb into other things you probably also saw the saw that and in Atlantic records in in warners that they were it kind of having to you know grit and bear some some down economic times both in the company and the country. I mean I guess that's the only thing that I can think that. Having having the financially there was something fell out with the out of the bottom of it and she couldn't keep going but yeah so I mean I did understand that there was the the the there was. There wasn't much much much competition for for for the coast. Most but they didn't there were some change. Some of the places I think one of the like Chicago Detroit. Didn't they get Josie best or something to come to play with certain George George best played for three teams. NSL in Los Angeles he played enough lauderdale and at San Jose. Yeah and he was a matter of fact one of our one of our dream guests as well is is Elton John. I mean I don't know how much you remembers about. Nineteen seventy four and owning among the Los Angeles Aztecs and bringing George best over to the NFL to play But it would be an interesting conversation for sure and we always always keep our hope that we can finally get him for a couple of minutes to talk about that. Well you know you kind of keep us away from football for two of them so let me let me let me let me ask you one last question and it's actually a two pronged question one is sort of so you've been in the states for some time. Obviously I'm assuming you're still a a proper football fan. What do you think the future of this? Sport is here in the United States. Given now that we're thirty teams in this thing called major league soccer. Do you think it's ever going to approach things. Like the English premier league and other international teams and that kind of stuff. Do you think it has a future in this country it were or maybe it's still you know for me. I mean when I look at English premier league but it's better than any other league that's out there was just incredibly exciting to see that you know and and I and I and I think the you know there's a lot of the American players some of you feel better American players actually GonNa play in that league and come back with the experience the plane and I think what is one of the things main things. I think that he's missing. Has Been Missing is a is a good a good coach for the for the American team. You know when they add Klinsmann it became actually started to be like the game. I it wasn't just Americans charging around and playing American playing American football kind of aggressively. There was there was there was a there was more of a beauty. It's more of a flow of it the way that they were plane line and I think I think I think that there's I think you know I think America could could put together a great thing of fantastic team of great players as the you have the athletes. You have the training you have the finances. You have everything to do that. A I think that it needs to see experience it I can get the you know. I think it Kinda get there to be to be to this league. The League's here the players. But I think that they have to go and play that to be able to figure it out. Yeah well you you you live in. La Do you fancy yourself going to L. AFC games were or galaxy games or is it not sort of your cup of tea the Ah You know what the only time I've ever been there was was. I went to see a boxing match. That answer Anytime I've ever been there but I mean you know they play they play down the street from me fulfills up above bubble pop. They they re did fulfill. They played there every Sunday. There's lots of teams play there at the high school next to me football matches all the time and and I now I get to watch premier league on on the TV. I I take the all the things that I didn't see all the all the games and I'm my My my my hometown team the seagulls Brighton Brighton and well-being you know They have been watching them play. And that's that's been that's been fun to be able to see them play in the Premier League and say that you know by the skin of their teeth staying there and So you know I think the interested. The interest in in in in boy and America's has changed a lot from back then. I think that they figured out the the the the guy that don't have to stop and start the game first to make money from it. They can they do in Europe. They run the ADS on the side. Why did those panels around the around the field and the money can still be made from it and then uh they can still advertise their appetizing without interrupting? We're going to put something over the game that you might miss something so I think it's a different world I don't know I think that you don't. MLS game in la so that you can you know God forbid may even come up with another theme for the Next Generation Of sports teams here. I mean you've done on my on my drag. My sounds sounds dennehy. They go to the new stadium down there so I might. I'm like I might go down there and see when they start playing again. Well let me ask you one last question. That's so musically obviously you you've you've been Just a a force right. A drummer extraordinaire. And then some would just literally a litany of a WHO's who of Grammy Winners and Legacy Talal wasn't all that kind of stuff and again we we we'll we'll we'll we'll do a intro that sort of at least give some of that justice but so you've wrapped up with the heartbreakers Lakers right and you've got. You've got a new banner relatively new band with some of your old mates now right now. Yeah with with with the with the with well actually actually. It was a band called three sixty mission. I and Molly Duncan from average white band. But Molly Pasta away a couple of months ago so There's there's only two sixty now says we both we both rapidly approaching seventy but but We did we did play. We did go doing wingin- do it. Till I'm finished to that we were supposed to do with Molly Really Nice Memorial Service In Montrose with with the family and I said I think we should think some so we. We've been we've been writing Muslims and we'll put put something else out there to the next year and that's great. I get the sense that you don't strike me as the retiring type right. I sense that music is is always going to be part of your life and you've got lots more still left in you in some form or fashion. Now it's Kinda hot retired from playing you know he's I play I love playing. I love making music. I love this. There's nothing like I mean. I really love doing it. I mean I I play. I have a little jazz pan I got invited to play with two guys. Tano Matt Corey. I invited me to play jazz at this jazz gig out in Pasadena Chason. I said oh fantastic. Nobody ever play jazz and I love playing guys and the little kitten everything and they said. Oh Yeah your love is as long as well so it makes choosy And and I'm what times they hit and they said eight o'clock in the morning and I hate to cook the more. You're GONNA the play jazz at eight o'clock in the morning and said Yeah. That was two years ago and I've been doing it ever since and it's something that I really when when when when we do it. It was If I'm in town I'm there on Tuesday morning. We're not gonNA play for the next couple of waste. They're out of town with their families. Really pissed them because it would be really nice. They feel like playing around Christmas but But I I you know I just love doing that. I love I just love making music. You uh-huh try and finish album. The I started of starting on my own twenty years ago I started to record some assuming they would and I gotta finish that this year. We're going to get twenty. Twenty is my objective to get it finished all right. Well you you keep us abreast us to win. That's coming out so that we can promote it and I want to leave you with one last favorite of mine. I mean you've got just a hundreds and hundreds of great tracks that you've been part of over the years I just want to tell you the one that stands out in my mind that I absolutely love and I only recently discovered that you were the drummer for and that was from shock. Pecans what you're GONNA do for me album and that's the title track. What you're GonNa do for me? Yeah you're banged the hell out of that song and it is just it's just it's the essence of you as As soulful and keep that song together and pump that song whatever they did in the studio whatever shot in the studio with all due respect. I think you're the one that made at the track drive and I love it. Love it even more now than I know that you were part of it so just a small place we we did it twice. Okay we did it try it was it was originally an average Wyatt minds. Some and chocolate comes. If you see this is what other things she comes to visit and hang out with us in the studio. Oh and she just saying that Sang Sang sang the choruses along with when we when we when we recorded it with average white man and she said y you know if you ever get rounds of wanting wanting me to do that something. I'd love to do it so cried. They cried Davis. Wouldn't put that something out as a single for average average white band. He said that it wasn't the sun was bright. I and and We recorded it with shock. We Hamish record in that album with chocolate and Switzerland and we recorded what you GonNa what you GonNa do for me with her. And she had a huge hit with dot. It's a song song and it holds up it holds up. Then some. It's it's it's it feels like it was recorded yesterday. It's fantastic it. was you know when we used to make me. uh-huh I'm sorry quick question. I'm sorry. Is there any chance. And he thought any possibility and I don't know what the the the situation is the stuff that you would quote unquote reunite or play a couple more gigs with some of the other remaining members of average white band or is that ship kind of sailed. Well you know I'm not I'm not really. Ah My door is always open for that. I think Hamish is though is other than for that. I think he has to Allen and only about that one more than anybody else you. That'd be a good question for them. Yes they number. I don't have any reason to call him. I mean I mean I guess I could ask them about what their thoughts about the cosmos theme was but at some point org they have any different memories of it or make it. Ask Him that question to ask you said you. Their number is eight. Yeah I think there are a lot of average white band fans that would argue that you guys were sort of part of that sort of classic time and lineup in the mid to late seventies early eighties eighties. That was called. The you know the essential I guess you know. Obviously lots of band members have come and gone and that band but arguably you were part of that of that sort of a ah time that people sort of classically remember a w before yeah Yeah the IT's kind of. It's kind of a that. was that was the the creative era area for what I think. It's GonNa stop when when we broke up with him for seconds but The you you know still playing they still great. I mean I go and see him sitting with them every once in a while but ain't nothing like the original thing I it was. It was really special thing saying that To to put that rhythm section the band and those vocals together it was really special. I just have one wish as we depart here and I thank you tremendously for all of your time and for talking to me in your car while the game goes on in in is Ah Somehow some of you guys get together at a GIG say in the New York area and just for kicks. Play the COSMO's theme. It would be. I think there'd be more than a few people people that not only would remember it but clap with you along the way all right well. Let's see what we can do that. That's about it all right there. It is the door is open and we look forward to figuring out maybe The opportunity to perhaps in our own selfish way maybe get Steve and the remaining members of today's touring average white band back together for at least one little session. Maybe Sirri create that Great Cosmos theme known as the by the way they are the num- diplom- of of the cosmic highlanders. We kind of mentioned that a little bit. But if you're looking thing for it on on Ebay or looking for it out there in the ether you will not find the song of the Cosmos Theme Song under the name team of the average white band or even awb for that matter you will find them under their pseudonym notice the cosmic highlanders and the record was issued as a single. I'm not sure if it was widely available beyond the the hallways and the you know. The merchant stands of giant stadium back in the day but and we'll have a picture of the sleeve on our website and good seats still available dot com. You search the episode number one hundred forty six with Steve Rome a anomaly. You find that this episode and of course all the other episodes but you'll find a bunch of of images and memories and And of course all kinds of links to great stuff all across the web on on some of our a great Books and media that are various guests have done. 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Episode 69: Jane Perrone's houseplant tour part two
"What do you say to the person who asked you choose between, the Dendrobium and the Fallon ops? Well, you've put me in an orchid situation. Welcome to episode sixty nine of on the ledge podcast and apologies from. My polling. Joke to open the show fine. Jane Perron, your host. And we're here to talk about our favorite subject. Yes. Indeed house plants this week. I'm giving you an updated tour around my kitchen plants and also implants in my son room. And I'm talking to an expert about a d neom that's desert rose seeds, and what to do with them. Once you've got some. Just to remind early doors at this no episode next week the twenty six I'll be back in your ears on the second of November with a special recording of my life show just taking place the RHS London urban garden show on the twenty six of October at eight PM if you can make it in person to that event. You'll hear me talking to Alice Fowler about meat you'll house blondes obsession and also be chatting to horticulturist rob stack of it's about his insulation at the show, which shows how bioluminescence in plant leaves works fascinating stuff. But don't worry. If you can't make it in person, you'll be able to listen to the recording. The following Friday also heads up for patriot subscribers. There's a new episode of an extra leaf up now number sixteen which is Tommy Tonsberg talking about his Hoyer collection on some of his favorite species. And remember if you're not a page. On subscriber. It's easy to become one. You just need to donate. Five bucks a month or more to get access to my extra content and become a legend see the show notes for details. And now is a great time to sign up because I'm planning to send all my legends. My patriots of Scribner's a little Christmas. Thank you in the mail, the exact nature of which will be surprised, but I know you'll like it so sign up by mid-november to make sure your on Santa Peron's list. And if you're an existing legend do remember to ask your postal address to your patriot account to make sure your getting your delivery, all including link in the show notes explaining how to do this. And if you want to give a one after nation that's great to thanks to Bela who did that this week, and you can find out how to donate via KO dash fi dot com. Again, in the show notes is a simple as that all the Infos. Therefore you. Anyone who's religiously listened to every episode will remember that? I gave you a kitchen house plant tour back in episode thirty eight, but as I tend to do a loss of the plants have moved around an about. And so I thought I'd bring you a number two of that area. Plus, some of my son room plants and bonus I'm going to be putting a video on YouTube, which will show exactly what I've got as well as talking about them. And where do you find me on YouTube, well, quite simply on YouTube dot com forward slash Jane Perron. But for the moment for the delight of your ears only, his me in my kitchen. I hope that my dose it tones manage to drown out the background noise of the passing rubbish lorry the dog and the clock ticking Housley, so you can focus on me talking about my plants. So one of the great things about this kitchen is all its north facing. The big belks window in the roof and another window or the back and an open doorway to the sun rooms this tons of light coming in the back of the kitchen. So it's a great place for growing so many plants, and as you can imagine I take full advantage of that. So on the window sill. I've got one of a five streptococcus growing the minute. They just at the end of their flowering period now. So they're starting to look impressive than they have done. But they just keep going and going and going these are big plants as you'll see if you watch the video do take off of these massive leaves if they get a bit miserable. Looking after awhile. And during the winter, they tend to go into a door period and stop flowering. But this is just the end of that peak period, and they really are easy to the cough. They just need water every couple of weeks when they get really dry and not be over water because that's the easiest way to make these fellows. Built and water way. I've also got to hanging containers on the wall. Now, the trouble I had getting these hung up is considerable which is why the bottom one is still a bit one. Keep because I den take it off dry to reattach it these are on Kia containers. I think shower caddies so they've got holes in the bottom. Now, I put some old rags in the bottom to make sure that no soil or water comes through to onto the fruit bowl below. But at this time of year, I've got found ops in these because it's too hot in the summer to have fun ops here. But in the winter, they are absolutely perfect getting lots of light, and they are in a nice area, humid environment. So they sit there quite nicely. Doing the thing. They should start to be flower fairly soon and every week or so I bring them down to give them a good watering. The other corner of the kitchen head over here. That's got the most plants is this shopping system, which used to be a doorway into the undiscovered. But is now a set of shows, and it's got a lot of plants on here in the minute talk. I've got a trough which contains three different plants. I was inspired by James warm to try this, and it's working really, well, so no drainage here and the pot is about twelve inches deep. I would say and it contains these plants and their watered probably about once every two weeks. If you underwater is not a problem, if you over water, you have got a problem when you've got no drainage on the left here. We've got a lovely poll Pelayo near records the watermelon. Begonia? I think it's called which is kind of crazy is not a Begonia is veteran plant is flowering them. Oh with this. Incredible spike taught with these tiny tiny little bobbly flowers. It's a very very beautiful training plant with lovely dark. Green leaves with the sensual pale green flash across them, and he's crying. So well in this situation, it's next to the back door. So again, more light coming through there, keeping these plots happy anything that likes bright indirect light will be okay here. And it's close to this door is only probably about one foot to three foot away depending on which side of the show if you're on. So these plants all getting plenty of light, which is great next to the little trough. Oh, I haven't told you about the things in the Trump. I'm going to a microphone which is a tiny tiny Lebed pi it's believes are miscue. But there are loads of them. And it's a little comping plow, which is rather good as a ground cover in these kind of containers. And Knicks about of PA. This one is rather smooth. Because people kept asking me for cuttings over being me. I ended up with rather small part because I've taken seventy bits off it. But it's it's okay. It's really growing. So that's fine. Next cassia elegance the pinstripe try to go scrunchy family plant. This is a really lovely plant. I love the pin stripe dark and pale stripes. That has and it's it's really easy. I kind of neglected this plot rebound and didn't wash it enough. But as soon as I moved at here sought watering more is responding with great growth, I've taken some cuttings, and I can use that to bulk out the pot next over stereo kid. I bought this kid, and I can't remember what the label said if it said anything oftentimes these labels on for useful. It might be a mill Tonia. I'm not sure I'd love somebody to identify it for me. But do take a look at this plot on my YouTube video because it's the most beautiful. Vintage populists in. So do check out Moniz pot. And if you've got an ID to know it. That we've got another trough. This one's not quite sense excess the plots on quieting balance, but I'm going to have a go at it in the springtime trying to scanty a Spade is basically taking over everything I've got a killing Theam McCoy Ana which is a baby very small baby which is doing fine. But it's it's the spe is really going a bit crazy, and I've got a bit of a sad specimen of pepperoni, frustrated Rooney's moving somewhere else and another one of Pelley. Leonia elegance. I think that one is which is doing okay, not too bad. Again. Like the first off this is much with NAT Knicks, which is the fungus gnat prevention mulch, which seems to work pretty well helps keep moisture in and again, this is only watered every couple of weeks or so even less in the winter. We've got my point layer pepper these. Yes, this is the regional plant that started me off on when I did my on this plot way way back last year. It's been my stumped plant this summer. I've been touring across the room. What this means is that I've been taking these with aplomb talks to show people, and he goes a little bit battered. So it's been suffering a little bit. I'm now trying to keep it happy with watering and lots of love, and it seems to be responding pretty well next an impropriety orien-, cutting devil's Ivy which is as juicy and tough as these plots. It. I want to chain train this mosque poll. I've taken some cuttings soda can have a more bushy pot full of plants and it's grits grow. Well, it's a terrible department is unusual for me. But it's good because it keeps it way down and stops. It falling off and getting talk heavy. The only other plaud- this on here is pepperoni at in Kona. They is such an easy plan. Why are we not all growing it? It's sort of it goes out sideways diagonal grow with these amazing harsh eight. Furry gently fuzzy leaves of your remember fuzzy felt those kits. You put together make pictures with world. This is living fuzzy felt and it's a really lovely plant. And again, this was a listener parts up, and I really love this one because it's just so easy. Just do anything to awful Chuck's water at it occasionally. Then let's go down to the bottom shelf, which is kind of propagation corner. These are things that have been sitting here for Walla most of them need putting or sending off to the people that I've promised them to. I've got some string of hearts cuttings, which have routed really really easily. This is a real easy plot to route I should say. So if he wants to make your string of hearts more bushy because oftentimes you see with only a couple of strands. This is a great way of doing it just put some cuttings into some water and let them route. I've also got my courteous here, which will probably sit here until springtime with some plant food added into them. And I've also got. Well, and I got in here. Loads of different things growing in the same thing. Oh, just to say these are in mill bottles. So I have a Milton Milton. Mulk bottles. So I'll use these propagation vessels that great because the heavy rainfall over the narrower at the top, and they often tastic for propagating loans of plants right Moi. Also, we got well. The other side of the kitchen is actually we are mostly prepare foods. So there's not a massive amount of plots on here. I've just got three of the minute to pepper three is and one Christmas cactus. One of the pepperoni is. I don't have an identification for one of those ones unfold in Morrison's for pound on a win to anyone can idea that for me, then I'd love to know. I've got a tiny weeny pepperoni ah Caporale to Russo from I think this might have been from Planck junkie as a swap it's a door tiny. It's so cute. So I love that one. And I've also got a watermelon metro near which is still a baby, but that's growing really nicely too. I love having a few plants there. They kind of they help to sort of provide me with inspiration when cooking, and they kind of cover up, ugly, plugs and things like that. Final call it look ease by the sink, and these are my sort of high maintenance propagation plants these things on propagating the unease keep close eye on and again, their milk bottles. Plus, I have a nice propagation vessel, which I bought from local gift shop, you can find that on my Instagram account. If he wants to take a look at that and all the plants here are doing absolutely fine. Sala rooted some are still waiting to get their for routes. But I can keep it on the war on doing washing up. And know when their time comes to move. Well, that's the kitchen tour done. It's my coffee time now. So I'll be back shortly. This week's podcast is supported every plate the meal service that delivers amazing chef design meals for just four dollars ninety nine per survey. That's probably less than spend on a trip to your local coffee shop every plate does the meal planning shopping and prepping taking time consuming guesswork out of cookie for fifty percents off your first box of every plate go to every place dot com and enter promo code on the ledge recipes come together in about thirty minutes, definitely faster than a trip to the market and cheaper than the average take. 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Well, now again, I have six pods any advice on round two of saving the pods. So the Denia or desert rose this plot I have, but I can't claim to have any great success with it. So I've called upon British cactus human society chairman in threats. I always get. The the bigwigs of the cactus and succulent world onto my show to help me onto this question. Hello, ian. Thank you for joining me. Hello, Jane, I've grown this plant. I'll have managed to get it to flower. My Dini is not particularly happy. It just sits there looking bit miserable. Most of the time apartment spring when it seems to have a flush of growth, so I really am not an expert in this plant, and I've never had seen pawns. And this is one of these examples where the internet can be a bit of a blessing and occurs because you go online, and you read all these different pieces of advice, and you don't quite sure what to do so county offer zave some guidance on what to do these pods and candidate. Damian's? They have lovely love hours, and they really are probably suited to being a house blonde. Lots of my fellow collectors don't fly them particularly easy thing because they like a little bit more water than the normal on sections grow. When you lucky enough to have a seed pod set, and then not easy things opponent in that yourself with a paintbrush to with insects. If they can do it. You get to hold on. Which is it's almost like two fingers being stuck up in a very polite way. Okay. And then the pods will split naturally and all the seeds tach to little parachute. So the slightest breeze and they float away a bit like Daniel on although the seeds all that much bigger. Okay. So they're all few requirements, particularly if you're going in the greenhouse or somewhere with a month because which away a movement most people like open windows. So the first thing to think about it. Maybe you can use little bits of war and just tied to see two or three places down the length of the called. So when you see it does split, it doesn't open fully overflow. They seats away. But the other thing you can do which I'm intend to be more preferred method ago in the hunt full People's Union, tights fatal. And if you put to use Toyota over, it's an and just. Through it. And then when they speech open, you could see go fluffing side, and then you can take the seeds out. Oh, that's really interesting. It's amazing. How many use uses gardeners? Find for us tights. They're one of the most. Good things to have for re re using in the guard. My fund I use one to put on the down point of my one of my water, which tends to get stuck with lots of moss from the reef and things and all of the Debra goes into the tights. And then every so often, I empty it. So yes. Eight for us tights. I'm so once you leave them on the plot until they in some way, protect them with with your tights. And then once they've exploded, then you've got the seeds trapped, and you can then harvest them what you need to do you need to take off the flowing mechanism the fluffy bit because if you leave that attached to the seed, and when you saw it tends to attract mill Jew and just doesn't help if you just separate a sage, and they come Paul ver-very easily and you have little seeds which are. Probably about the macer low maybe a little bit longer this shows and they little pin. So shapes aid. Now the Saints Day. Neom of notoriously short lived like last very long. So the the best thing to do with is probably this time of year. Mont monsters say just recently split chased the siege. Around the greenhouse didn't participants Creech. The best thing to do is off stored mining number opened the call position. And I'm going to sell them probably February much next year, and you need to the heat propagator. All I do is mix up with standard compost, one gristle Pearl to two pots. Composed. Don't get on very well with joins us them. I shouldn't say, it's we'll Ganic talk. Composed that to say these days. Drift. Roman. Everyone tells you to Scott to time talking on the talk only until I push more seeds just if the pencil shape, just push them. So the topic's flush with the compost keep the compass. Just damned is hated in appropriate, and you should get Jim nation probably within two to three weeks. I would think it's being walls of growing them. But they know that slow germ when they get going then you can put the parts that you've sewn them in in the polish bag to retain humidity. Well, that sounds very straightforward and not something zave can do for on the ledge solo next spring. That sounds straightforward. I would love those in some tips, keeping my Denia my desert rose looking better because it's pretty miserable. And I don't know what I'm doing wrong. It's interesting that you say needs more warmth and water than a lot of cacti and succulents mine has been outside the summer. I haven't brought it in yet. But I will. I mean, it's been in a greenhouse it hasn't been outside outside. But I never seem to get it looking happy. So maybe Borchert more thinking probably liquor better. Ari more water green up, and they do respond to feed quite quickly. So. The almost thuggish plants, and they're very very popular in the forest and mine seems to be reported mine, I got it. And it seems to be potted in a sort of illness. Looks like all kid compost, a very sort of free open kind of thing. And I have no idea if that's the right stuff from for the DM. I would suggest any fairly rich. Composed with you know, Addy grit and per light even up to fifty percent rights. Also grow of now, put them in a one hundred percent mineral soils fade regularly. They like a little bit won't they do the wolf and they do like a fair amount of watered food when they growing. What about doing the winter coming now into into the wintertime here in the UK, should I sort of? I mean, I'm going to bring it inside. Should I reports it now? Oh, should I wait until spring? You think probably way to bring joy out and a great believer in talking to you plant. Not because they actually understand what I'm saying. But when you have a conversation with people on the phone, you can look at them and all look at more plants when I'm talking to them in wanting to grow. I will water it when I say slowing down will reduce the water lose its Foti the wintertime. It will go dormant and mine ten to attend to give mine fairly dry during the winter. They're in my room greenhouse they all in the house, generally. So because my wife likes fresh air. Excellent advice. Ian, I've sorry. This is turned slightly into Jane Peron's question about Deums. But that's helped also help save to know what to do with this e pause, and I'm thinking, I'm with that vice hopefully, I'll be able to get mine in a better state next year and get some flowers off mind because they are very very beautiful plants, and they're all over Instagram, and I should mention that you as well as being chairman of the are also a professional photographer, and it's definitely worth having a look, Ian Instagram, which is botanical photographer include that in the show notes. But there are some fantastic pictures of cacti and succulents on your feed in some real delights on the most of the just phone pitches or will. To grandma so went on after the bath, according joy playing. Well, it still looks fantastic. And in fact, I think I just actually seen and the Denia on this. Oh, it's definitely worth having you look at your account and tell us again, and why we should be joining the just while we're here give you a plug will be here is a society dedicated to growing catch on. We have a conservation. We get money to protect the plants in the world. But we produce a really really good magazine four times a year. But we have a network of branches. Even go along meet like minded individuals into us. Yes. And generally just enjoy the Hobie get more out of it. And the wonderful thing is when you meet people enthusiasts you tend not have to buy because people will give you plans and cuttings. Yes, it's a very generous weld. And and you'll see scheme is also fantastic. If you don't have any. Cactus seats to harvest yourself. You can sign up for the seed scheme and get lots of different cactus and succulent. Sees very very cheaply, which is one way of adding to your collection. So I highly recommend that people have a look at joining. Thank you so much in that is brilliant. That's really helped me, and I'm sure it's helped save as well to. Thank you very much for that greater vice thanking Jay if you have a question for on the ledge podcast, then hit me up on the podcast g mail dot com. You can also drop me a line on Instagram where I'm Jay dot, L dot Perron. Send a message via Facebook almond website, Jane, Perron dot com. Well, now part two of the house plant tour this time, we're in the sun room, aka the play room looking at some of the trailing plants that hang down in the archway between that room and the dining room. So here in the player again, we have. Have loads of light, which is a brilliant feature of this room a big glass ceiling all the way across so there's loads of natural light. But again, it's facing so not allowed blaring some this room has quite a few plants in. If you go to my Instagram stories at J, L dot Perron. You'll see a video of some of my coleus which are on the desk. Crowding out anything else on there. I've done a video of the coleus pruning. The I showed in the last episode because some of you wanted to actually see what I did go and have a look at my Instagram stories at J, L dot Perron, if you look on pruning, you will find that short set of videos explaining how it's done. Let's have a look at the rest of the room, though, we've got of little plants in the archway above the debris dividing where the room divides off to the dining room dime is quite dog. So there's not any plants in there at the moment. Although I'm hoping to change that with some grow light soon. But for the minute all the plants are hanging above on a shelf above the arch of this room. And we'll start with the lovely monster island Sonia, which is such a hungry plot. If you'll run and Sony is looking a bit miserable. They do give it a feed because this will really does like lots of fertilizer. This one's hanging down quite nicely about a year. And I've taken loads of cuttings of it too. Big strings of polls, which are talk about in might trade implants week episode. I've also got a lovely linear another plan that I knew episode now that one is next to a call nature which. Is a trailing plant that. I got in the cutting from James warm this owed, and I've gotta sat impose although it's not looking particularly happy. What's up with you sat impose I don't really know Anita check that one out. I've also got a philodendron Brazil cutting, and this is looking really well, the fine, beautiful heart. Shaped leaves with lime green splashes of color on them. And this one's doing really rather nicely in its terror cotta part of also got dogs shifting around in the background. Thank you dog. Other also got some Fallon ops or kids in a container up there a car Nossa, which I rescued from my myself actually killed this plunk and the money should bring it back from the dead. Didn't quite know what happened, but the cutting took is now well established and doing fine, and I've got a lovely long string of hearts, which is trading right down to the low level and making a mess everywhere. It's actually training down towards a trough that I made again in spine boy, Mr James Wong. And this one's got lovely Begonia era. Throws are in in it, which is a beautiful big leave chunky leave beefsteak Begonia. It's also got a Columbia Mary Queen which is getting over a spider of my invitation that need to do bit. We'll cleaning of those leaves to get rid of the last few. And it's also got scientists Somalians is in here. That's the pussy is trailing plot. But at the minute, this one's growing up all the dogs having scratch now we'll fee. Sino two Somalian SIS, which is trading plot. But at the minute it just growing up because it's not quite tool enough to start training over the side of the pot. My truck. Stroman trial star is here. Also, it had spy this online had a really good haircut. And now it's looking bit happy as ever as I always say, respond mites. You've got to keep going on and on and on to make sure that the plant is truly three of these little tiny beasts. Moving around. I have the coleus that I've already talked about on the desk and a lovely finally lovely Begonia kilometer. Again, have look at Instagram stories for an explanation of how I week watering to keep this plot. Happy is one of those plants that you see on Instagram ago a lot and people struggle with it to keep it looking nice as it was when they bought it. But I've pretty much figured out to keep this plot happy. Now, I've got a nice career, which is looking rawal the good which has got a lovely green furry fuzzy leaf with a very slight red outline around the lease. She's very beautiful. I'm my Begonia Liz starter which again like the monkey Lotter was looking Rudy miserable. But in a sofa watering pot. It's actually started to flower now. So this one's finally starting to look a bit happier that constant moisture provided by the self watering pot really is doing the trick. Also just knocking over the LEGO box. There's a lovely. Well, it's finally becoming lovely German Ivy, which came as a tiny cutting and was a bit tricky to establish its that's finally starting to come good. It's worth bearing in mind when you have a cutting this new oftentimes, it will not be brilliant from the start. You have to give it a bit of time and cosseting in order to get that plan. Looking good good establish a good root system and want is established you could root system that will really help aplomb to thrive and then on the other side of the arch. We've got gives nary had corner. Those of you who follow me on Instagram may have seen this on my Instagram feed. So this is my area of of other guests narrates other than streptococcus. It's quite narrow show. There's not enormous amount of room, which is why it's ideal things like my Petric MIR's and my Smithian my news, MRs Smith. Anthem which is Smith the anther extra sassy with beautiful green fuzzy leaves with a dark dark. Maroon stiffling on them plots coming along really nicely from shrubs and partner Sary's having oppo my Instagram fate, also for Patrick 'cause MIR cryptic which has the most amazing leaves that very very long hairs on them and beautiful slight variation. It's a lovely tiny rosette this good for small window sills. And this little specimens about to flower. Which is so exciting. I will know patch caused me which is called something ridiculous while you're what's your name, of course, MIR it's called something silly. And I've now forgotten what it is. Oh, keystones left. The yet. This one is doing okay. It's not as exciting as cryptic have to say the leaves are much more like dwarf, African violent speaking draw African violets do have one of those. It's good. Max black Jack. And it has some doll very Gatien the lease and maroon flowers, I haven't quite got the hang of this one yet, it's not entirely happy. But will persevere what a half got the hang is my premium, Lena, his ARCO? My god. This is a beautiful plant amazing, silver filagree variation on the leaves and a lovely pale purple flower with a white and yellow throat that comes up on a long and delicate and elegant hairy stem, a love it. And then of Pissy is which were grown from seed for so long, and which we talked about in the trade implants episode. These are also just have the most incredible arrogation, and they are actually growing in pots with no drainage group together. And so far that doing all right? I just given drop of water occasionally, they will need separating out at some point as. As the plants grow. However, so keep an eye on those in the springtime as they start really putting on some growth so that part of the sun room. I will bring you the rest of the sun room in another episode because I have given you a little info there, and I don't want to overwhelm you. But that's some rain tool part one complete do go and have a look on YouTube. So you can actually see the plants, and if you've got any questions, then do that, we know undue check out the show notes where on include a full list of all the plants. We talked about today. That's this week's episode. I will see you in two weeks. Time for episode number seventeen. By. Episode was Jordan role by the joy drops government funding. We'd by black can't and an instrument called happy. Connor by Samuel Cohen. Licensed under creative Commons. See my website for details.
Ep. 257 - 'Cuz a Houseplant Party Don't Stop
"The like more infants of plants each month. Well you're in luck in defense. Plants is now offering bonus mini episodes over at our patron page to find out how you can gain access to this bonus botanical content had on over Patriot dot com slash in defensive plants and consider becoming a patron as always. Thank you for your continued support of independent plans. Together we are helping cure plant blinds around the world one episode at a time. Hello everyone and welcome to the in defense plants podcasts. The official PODCAST OF INDEFENSIBLE PLANTS DOT COM. What's up this is Euros. Matt coming to You from his Quarantine Zone Aka my tiny midwestern apartment house. Everyone hold up out there. I hope this podcast episode finds you in good health and that you're not pulling your hair out too much over all these quarantine issues remember. Were doing it for a good cause but today we're going to lighten your load a little bit with a really fun episode because joining us is fellow podcasters. Jean Perron coming to you from on the Ledge podcast. It is a fantastic podcast dedicated to house plants in house. Plant keeping and trying to give you as much accurate and helpful information in the house. Plant world is possible. There's a lot of Baloney out there on the Internet but Jane is consistently providing wonderful content for house plan growers and enthusiasts. And I really recommend you check out our podcast. That's on the ledge. Go subscribe if you haven't already but yeah. This conversation is just a fun ketchup. Jane and I talk every once in a while and it's always great to hear what she's got going on all her new adventures in house paint keeping and whatnot and Just to talk to someone. That's just as passionate about plants as I am so yeah. Let's just jump right into it without further ado. Here's my conversation with Jane Perron. I hope you enjoy Jean Perron. We've gotten off of your ledge for today. And now you're here in the indefensible plants headquarters talking with us. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Hi Matt I'm Yeah it's great to be here. Yeah those that maybe didn't listen to the last episode or a new I don't know who you are. How about we give a brief overview of what it is you do. What is what I do well in mainly just pfaff around with house plants. That's a very technical term. Faffing faffing around over that you probably don't we do? This means kind of like pottering about with House plans. That's basically what I like to but my training is as a journalist and I run a podcast. Could on the ledge. She's been going for an incredible three years now. Probably not was Lewis as Hamilton defense plants. Been going since someone eight fourteen. So yeah six years. Oh Gee plant podcast. Og well so on. The Ledge is aimed at anyone who's wanting to do any kind of indoor gardening and I've done one hundred thirty episodes of all kinds of stuff talking to plant people testing things out onto in people's questions and it's basically just a whole heap of fun chat about plants which is what we will love. It is fun. I also the other thing to say is I. Also you also see my name popping up in various Mainly British magazines and newspapers about all kinds of things. I like to say to people that you know tried to write about things that you might not read anywhere else. Som- currently restoring a bit of research for peace for the Financial Times which involves finding out. How much people's ashes? Way Back from the. Yeah so that's interesting. Can you guess how much how much some when you get the ashes back from a cremation? How much that weighs two kilograms? Okay I've only gonNA impound. Oh well to imperial us as metric. Lots of science lab all day so when it's five to seven pounds. What's that kilos? Good question about right about that point. Two pounds two point two pounds so yeah so I was just amazed by. That's anyway so as writing a piece about how spreading of ashes can be an issue in public gardens and how it causes problems for gardeners but also for relatives. It's a difficult decision as to how to deal with ashes and how you can do it. Responsibly and sensitively so lights. It chart do something a little bit different from the usual. Oh it's the month of the year that we think about pruning are Xyz. Because I you know. There's always room for those bras type pieces but I like to kind of try to be a little bit outside the box sometimes because it makes much more interesting. Sure Yeah and I think more people as you know gardening catches on in house plans catches on and really just all of the media. That's out there kind of swansea with the same stuff. Everyone's writing the articles. Those different ones really stand out in. It's one of those things where I go into a garden centre or get emails from publishers than its oldest new book on propagating succulent. How many of those do we need exactly or you know. Houseplants that clear. I would be much more interested in a really solid piece which was probably researched about other ways that you can clean the actually. I think probably opening the windows the best way of refreshing the air in your house. I mean it sounds terribly reductivist book. That's probably true. Yup then candles. Don't have plugging airfresheners. You know Yeah I would say that which I but we have to be honest with ourselves. I mean there is truth to some of the stuff but there's also a lot of misinformation and I think plants suffer from that more than other walks of life just because of the amount of sort of folklore and mysticism history. They have with our species for good reason. I mean plant should be celebrated but yeah I think they suffer from a lot of misinformation as well. Yeah I mean. Plants are incredible but let's not attribute to them characteristics that they don't actually possess because there's loads of cool characteristics. They do have so yeah. I think it's it's not. That's not the main reason to have plants in your houses is they're going to provide some moment incredible. Co Two scrubbing mechanism. You know that's that ain't that ain't GonNa Happen Really You better off. You know as I say not. Not Burning the candles. But yeah so my my. My realm is widely. I like to to sort of try to. I just basically find things I'm interested in. Then find somebody to commission a piece about them which is which is really nice to live. Yeah Yeah and you do in such fun ways. I mean. I've read a handful of your articles but obviously the podcast is. What really exposes me to your world view in what's going on and it is fun. It is entertaining. And you are taking a nice change of pace. From the general guarding houseplant. Podcasts that are out there I'm not denigrating any of them. I think they've all got merit in their own way because everyone has experiences but you are really doing it in a way that speaks to me on a deeper level. Because it's obvious you actually care about caring for these plants beyond just having pretty things. I we're going to be a bitch fest. Then about other. Podcasts I was getting ready to throw some shade person in Holter corddry would never have cost any Shea I love. Oh I think I'm really people sort of ood. Have you seen this this new podcast? You worried I'm like no. I'm really glad that there's another podcast because there's you know I know that nobody is me and therefore I think is already being done by me. So that wild. I feel worried about other podcasts. I think is fabulous to have all these different outlets and things that you can listen to it. It's amazing but yeah it is a funny response to get from people and I hear that from time to time like Oh you worried. I'm like why would i? Why why do you need to worry about? Is it a competition? The more people talking about plants the better off we're going to be. They need that attention they do. They do exactly and you know we got to be out that kind of combating. The as I say that the mainstream media kind of really not very good standard of journalism when it comes to talking about blance you know. The mainstream media does pick up on plants and does more but at the same time. It's great for people to have this source information which is hopefully reliable. I say that I did recently just realized listener got in touch. Say That I've messed up. I'd mixed up to Spider Plant. Cultivars in my spider plant episodes. I was horrified. I know the horror the horror anyway. I've corrected that now but it's that's the other great thing is that. I love the fact that people can actually come to me and say you know what you got that wrong and I can actually say. Yeah I did. You're right sorry and put it right. Which is so refreshing. I'm not I'm not a machine. Do get things wrong wrong there. I think the other thing that I'm sure you find with plants despite the fact that I love scientific grounding for fats at the same time you can't deny that there are people doing things which shouldn't work strictly speaking. That seemed to work for them. So everyone's got their own little ways of doing things in the house flaunt world and you can try to go backs practice based on science but sometimes something just comes up left field and works for you so I'm thinking of my beefsteak. Begonia in a container with no drainage right now which is still doing really well. Yeah it is funny that Gardening Kennedy teaches us that all the best laid plans can go away. Sta Depending on where you're at your conditions in you've attempted and that's why it's really hard for me to navigate those houseplant groups's because everyone's having success for different reasons and it's really hard to kind of tease out. What is working in y? Is working for some and not others and you know you're having any luck with begonias already far in advance of any luck that I have not had with Begonias so there is in the pudding. I thought I've given my begonias everything they could ever want from this world and never did I think no drainage would would succeed for them. Well I didn't. I was on that day that I decided to put this beefsteak. Begonia in a melamine salad tray but I did and it has Yeah it's they've done perfectly perfectly. Well so that's great then they're very much thriving Yeah I don't know why that is I. Guess I'm I'm very mean with the watering anyway. The warm I plant of just actually risked today giving some water to a few of documents that we're really wilted here in the office. So I'm slightly holding my breath a total collapse. That may follow one but I think it should be okay. I've just I. They've had no water sort of end of October. I think they needed a little bit of a drink But Yeah I learned a hard lesson with that Over the fall and I have pretty much denied all my succulents water. Except for the winter growing species because I had a few E. coli grandest beautiful sleepyhead. Stipulated looking thing with the giants Almost Persian rug looking flowers. And everyone told me you know as soon as it gets. Kinda cool in the house. Deny them water at all costs than I thought. I had a nice warm sixty degree day in the fall. Put a little bit of water on one and the next day had totally rotted out. It was like damn you really. Are that sensitive. Yeah exactly it's it's I mean you can revive wilted succulent. That's had enough water way better than he can one. That has been awarded that just motions. Tom It just isn't coming up. So yeah that's I mean. I'm desperate to get these succulents out of here because it's just a minefield in here. There's just grab a little over floor of knock things but It's not quite warm enough outside my unheated greenhouse yet. So we're hanging on we're hanging on here for Who WARMER WEATHER? So yeah same here. So yeah I mean. A lot has changed. Obviously since the last time we talked to your house. Plant Hobby changed. Obviously you are got your finger on the pulse to a degree that a lot of people don't in your learning from a lot of really incredible people in guess that you've had on your show. I mean what what has changed in terms of your tastes in what you've been trying to grow recently while I am fully Radi holiday As I think that's probably since I lost spoke to us I've got about a dozen different Hoyas now. Some of them are still very small cuttings. And what's interesting is. It's actually really hard to find good books on. Where's the one behalf which are not going to be on c? Right now I'm sure it's going to be elusive. But is a book by couple of. I think Swedish. Probably got that an. It's great but then I discovered people were saying. Oh well actually no the taxonomic change quite law since then. I'm like damn this happened anyway. So let's voyeurs and I do love those plants because for me I find relatively easy as in I mean with my motion cancer therefore generally most. Hoy's that helps them the only one. I've been struggling with had bought a couple of tiny actually always gifted. I'm always careful to say when I was gifted things when I wasn't gifted a couple of variegated who carry is tiny ones and I putted them. They would hardly any Pasi makes it all so I reported them which was a mistake and then I slightly overboard to them. And they lost all but one leaf but they seem to be okay now. I've stabilized them but it was like no no. I can't lose these precious plants. What have I done so yeah so I'm got those My my I love Linear Harris. Which is doing really well like a cutting of that from James Wong whenever I did that episode to that spur eighteen months ago. That's doing really well and yeah and then just one of my proud house. Plot moments is a Curio as it now is rarely Amos not synesios earlier in the string of POWs my plant. I mean I desperately need to write a blog post about this. Because facebook is littered with people with `mushie string of pearls. Were really struggling. And I WANNA help those people because it's so sad but that's one plant. I find really quite not easy to grow. Well Yeah easy to grow and mine is really is over me too long and it's really good. I've also got the variegated form now. Which is teeny tiny. But hopefully we'll grow so I'm planning actually. This is going to be an interesting experiment. There's the national show of the British CACTUS and succulent society coming up in the summer. And I'm planning to be a showing verging on that and take my plants along to the show to see if I can win a medal while I'm not going to be able to cause I'm you know what I'm doing but I'm going to do it for the podcast. I'm going to speak to my friend Calling Walker. Who's an expert? Cactus and succulent show person. And I'm GonNa find out what I need to do. I'm going to probably have to stage in some way on a plants down because it's so long but I'm thinking that that would be really interesting experiment for listeners to follow to find out what's involved in showing plants and just see how I do so we'll be fun and that's probably over my plants a CACTI documents. Probably one of the most dramatic looking won't go that I think I can show quite well so we'll see but that's a good that's an interesting one What else on? Well we're just about to start the on the ledge so along again so my annual effort to encourage people to Scroll House plants from seed so on my window sill. I've got a range of crazy things ninety grabbing. I've lived ops which I which I got into after I visited the national election top series the UK. And I've also got the elephants foot dire scoring and fantastic searching around which is good at which was a BCS S. C. theme. Which I'm GONNA try so how long it takes to get a giant Codex on that. I think that'll be fun to try. And then GonNa do some sort of standard things. I'm going to implant trumpets and some more cody. S because can't get enough of those and it's great to see what listeners is trying to grow as well so lots of listeners. Have ambitious plans which is really exciting to. And we did an episode on propagating funds from spores. Which is really nice. 'cause I knew nothing about that and I was Kinda of mind blown by all of that stuff. It was amazing. I loved that episode. Because I think it's it's something I've dabbled within the past with not a ton of success but it's it's one of those things that people. I don't think think about enough that you don't get ferns seeds you get ferns spores in their life. Cycle is just so strange in it is neat to watch the tiny. What looks like just a a sea of liverworts covering the soil to have these tiny franz start to poke out from underneath. It's it's such a great combination of like learning experiences in strange nature and just such satisfying aesthetic. Says they start to grow and and take form. Yeah that's that's exactly I mean even if it doesn't work it's something you can try and it doesn't need an awful lot of attention is quite a long long view. Color scheme instantly get a plants? But I think it's something fun to try. So that's what I love bringing people on on the ledge something that you probably wouldn't hear about in the gardening magazines necessarily or in from from other ways. So yeah it's always great to get the expert advice on on doing those I'm GonNa say obscure but slutty more specialist aspects of Tak taking care of house plants. Yeah and I mean even just taking the approach from seed. It's one thing to get a cutting or a little plan from a nursery in growed up. That is very satisfying but to know that you were there for all steps of the process from seed to adult plan however long it may take I mean I think he really. It connects me at least more with plans to know that I saw this as this tiny little packet of DNA blueprint to build a plant. And then I watched the plant get built over time. It it it really makes me of more partial to those individuals than others. Yeah exactly and I think also things grow from seed. Tend to be oftentimes. They don't have that slump. The plants have when he buying a lovely lush plant from a girl's house. That's been perfect. Conditions computer controlled. And then you bring it home uncertainty in your house it's Kinda like whereas if you're seed so plan generally is to your conditions which is a good thing you might not be quite so lush but it will hopefully not have that moment of crisis that semi plants go through when you bring them home from the Garden Centre. Yeah and the whole idea of like I love big lush hardy looking plants. But when you see a lot of these plants in the wild or pictures you realize go they are Kinda spindly. And it's only because they are given the absolute perfect computer controlled conditions often times in a nursery that they end up looking the way they do. So it almost gives you like an unrealistic expectation for what the species truly is an inescapable love and so yeah having it sort of adapting to your conditions makes it harder but it also makes it unique away. It's your plant exactly. I think this you know I read a great example of this in that. I'm obsessed with looking at pictures of our kids posted by people who are studying in their native environments and you look at the leaves all tattered and not just because I got veneration but because they genuinely talented and they're all dying bits and there are bits not looking so great because it's in its natural environment and you're also seeing possibly seeing the mature foliage as opposed to the immature foliage and getting really different sense of how the plant grows and some really what we're seeing in our homes with you know a beautiful Philodendron Ring Afar or something with three. Perfect leaves is really only one aspect of that plants existence and so yeah that that's always good to reference how the growing in the wild and and what what seconds to get a sense of where your plant might be going on why. It's okay if that one leaf is starting to die off. Because that's I'm just for the moment I keep seeing people going. Oh my gosh. Swiss cheese plod the smallest of the leaves turning yellow. And you're like yeah they do happen. That's what one yellowing leaves the smallest the youngest. It's done it's working now it's GonNa die off and it's GonNa mulch down and that's all good. Don't panic just because you have one leave. Going yellow is not the end of the world and also during the winter the plants thinking to itself. Okay I've got less light. I don't need quite so many leaves here. I'm just going to drop a few leaves. And hopefully you can observe the plot well enough to know whether this is a massive crisis as in. I've ended up with a stick or whether this is just I'm just GONNA drop a couple of leaves because like conditions lower so don't panic but yes. I guess I mean that's not of course whenever it's like having a new baby you suddenly you're like oh my gosh what's happening. What's this stuff coming into their bum? Oh No it's okay. It's fine this. This is normal. That's why you go to the teenager classes to find out what's normal and what's not normal but you'll still have loads of prizes along the way certainly it's the same with plants you know they will do things that kind of Yet the surprise you send a good analogy. I don't know anybody I mean going back to our little Little conversation about that Little Joe Movie. It's like sometimes people do really care about their plans to a degree that you usually reserved for pets. Maybe sometimes even children YEP. I'm it's interestingly. I was talking about this. My Patriot feed podcast recently. Saying that I have A. I'm not making a big deal of it but I find the phrase plump parenting a little bit odd to me as somebody who is a parent of children in that you know. Obviously if you didn't have children you have no conception of it's hard to know what life is like as a parent if you're not a parent but children are demanding and engaging on a totally different level to plants and so I don't really personally find the to how to implant parenting very attractive because if my plants were constantly asking me for snacks. And I'm wanting wanting to wanting to go to the park on their bike would be. That would be annoying. But so yes I think we. That's not a great -nology you know. I do appreciate the people it does tell you something about the nurturing way that they're dealing with their plants and the observations they're making about there. Were being so yeah. It's not bad. Just think as a parent as todd out parents. Sometimes I just think parenting. It's not gonna be doing anymore parent. I'm doing parenting is is. It's my escape dammit. Yeah exactly exactly So Yeah I love my kids. They're wonderful they're very different from looking after plants. I can tell you that some of the questions that my kids would come up with over the years you just like. My mind is now blown. How did I make you? Yeah how did I make you I? I mean that's the thing. Yeah and they say the way I in a way what is similar to plants. Is that you you do really get a great kick from seeing the do something new to get a great kick from seeing my daughter get her next belt in taekwondo or my son doing well in in his judo when a new plant puts puts out a new leaf. I am like I'm so proud of you. Don I recently had an aspe- district flower. That was my moment. Rows like Whoa. I did not expect from you. Well I'm GonNa give you a sneak. Preview coming up on. The Ledge just interviewed the national collection holder of Aspe- district Allot your decision insists k. So that's coming up soon and he showed me this amazing cultivar which I now forget the name of which is the leaves are literally half develop people literally like variation of the leaf is Hof cream. Hof Greenlight perfectly divided in super rare so that was exciting to see that but yeah he was great so as pedestrian national collection holder will be coming up on the ledge. Soon that was that was really great episode. Dear to chat about all these rare aspe- district and the missile legends behind them. And so on A. Yeah that's that's a good one. I worry talking about expeditious. Sorry I've got off one about Aspe- district happens a lot quieter. New Leaves Flowers. Yeah and he was saying that the whole myth about Aspartame flowers being pollinated by slugs is indeed a myth and. I was very disappointed by that. But that in fact I think it's fungus slick paper just got published where it was like the first observation of that. Yeah really I mean it's good to know the fungus not so good for something right there. I know they are. I know they all good from things that you know without without things breaking down different things in the environment. We'd be. Ob like knee-deep in whatever. I mean there are really important pollinators for a lot of plants from orchids to sachse phrases. It's IT'S AMAZING. What fungus Probably not so much in the home or your greenhouse which they switch their roles there but I have seen I had a little orchid called an overall it was. I mean just minute flowers. So tiny about the size of the D. on the Deke on any keyboard but I was watching these nats just buzzing buzzing buzzing and sure enough they fricken pollinated the damn think. Wow well yeah. That's the thing everything's got. Its place over here. Wasps are something that people get really upset about. Want to kill the move Ashley. They're amazing Gordon practices and that yeah that Mason creature so is trying to encourage people to to not kill the worst and let them do their thing. They Ernie crazy for a small amount of the year. It's not it's not a it's not a bad thing to have them around the golden so yeah I guess it's just I guess it's the weird dichotomy in people's minds which is completely false. The there are kind of like good things and bad things and You know actually yes. Okay that might be eating your vegetables. But it's an important part of the ecosystem. Those rats are actually providing food for ourselves and so on and so forth so again. I'm trying to encourage people not to use rat poison into use other methods of of dealing with rats. Because you know if you've ever seen wrap this eating rat poison it's really horrible for one thing on second that's probably going to be eaten by an hour. And then the owls poisoned in you know where we may not think much of rats but we do love owls and we won't to be around so Yeah they're all. Lots of things like that worked. Ominous had these strange Lissa parties but Yeah but fungus. Nazi object she treated used at Donna Treatment Fungus gnats with the the biological control the NEMATODE switch. Well well let's And you just you get a vile and you just kind of on the soil or something. Yeah you get this yellow powder in a little container and then you have to my. I was asking my husband's like how many liters do I caught out so you have to dilute Dali again then again and then water your plants with it so I've been waiting for it to be warm enough really the I could watch wheel of things with it and that's is brilliant and that will last for a few months. I have found. I think part of the issue is I've been swooping over to repeat free. That's a big issue that sunny in the UK. We're trying to loss of gardeners are trying to deal with and I think that there's a high organic matter content in the stuff amazing. Now as opposed to joining this mix that I was using before. And so that means more fungus Gnat so again you gotta find ways of controlling that but the the biological control is pretty easy and straightforward. So that seems to be working fine and my children will stop. Moaning about tire flies torturing them tiny flights going to do anything. Well Jane you gotTa Get yourself some wikileaks the Butterworth's they are flypaper traps natural ones. And they get to eat it and it makes them flower better as a result. And then you combine that with a year we always let a bunch of jumping spiders live in our house over winter and boy do they take care. Woods left really ask great. Well I do love. I do love the idea of having the larger biological controls do sound like great fun. My favourite creature in the world is the chameleon and I longed to have a community of I see on your did I see somewhere on on your feet or somewhere of you reptiles imagining that we do we do. We have a three DART frogs which was pretty much an excuse. I love them to death during amazing little creatures but it was my excuse to make nice big tropical terrarium For them and then We just adopted a crested GECKO. Oh well I love chameleons and yet my dream is one day have a chameleon and I don't know just make a whole room that's the right rights environment for comedian just full of plants for the community to kind of like just wonder about there will be so much when I win the lottery. That would be So yeah so I left millions and any bottle control is good if I can avoid easing things. Come in plastic bottles have the measure out. It's all good. I mean you have to measure out the nematodes having said that. Let's say my maths is terrible. I told you the story of why math is terrible. No this is the reason why my master's terrible because when I was at school we had an unusual amount of plants in my school. We had these. I need to double confirm this with somebody else who was at school with me but I swear to God. We had these greenhouses between classrooms full of CACTI and we'll side lots of spina plots in the library and me and my friend Ruth used to get let out of maths to go tend to despite A. I mean like it wouldn't happen these days. I'm sure that it would be. Yeah so so. That's one that's my excuse for being tablet masses that I was always just the spider plants. Not Doing Maths on picturing picturing your memoir like how spider plants ruined my budgeting exactly but I think you know. I love the fact that we had as I say I mean. I'm I'm really need to check with somebody that just like imagining that. But I swear to go beyond this greenhouse it was one of these kind of really oh of wooden things will do these really toll Kohner CACTI in it yeah. I'd love to find out what happened to that. Anyway I'm going off on one now but yes so spy Paul Yeah I still love spider plants. Even now I got my cultivars mixed up by recent. So right they forgive me the listeners of forgive me now. That's good that's good. I feel like I duNNo. Cultivars are so few and far between and learning them is really difficult. I think you can be excused for mixing that up every now and then. Yeah and it's like Green Stripe with white margins or white Green margins with what stripe I mean and they both start with the. I mean it's my brain contact dot com information. I am currently doing my revision for my rhs level two exam which is a horticultural exam. That I'm taking the last two units of in June and I have to learn a well. I think he's about seventy five plants. Latin names features heightened spread Blah which is like obviously a lot of information already in my brain because of my do but at the same time you do realize where the gaps are and I do feel sorry for anyone starting from scratch on this because it's a momentous task trying to remember these. I mean my default position is if I can't think of anything I just right. I the right down our Camilla Mollis Lady's mantle because it's good for most things or if it's a tree. I basically write down Cretaceous Monarch Gina Scholar. Which is a decorative. Hawthorne for Small Gardens. If in doubt those are my two these my to go to interesting and it is a weird skill to have to develop an. It's funny because no problem with Latin names. I remember families relationships. I can even tell you where I first met that plant what I was doing where I was hiking. Or whatever as soon as you start attaching human names to plants and cultivars. Unlike I'd I don't know what that is. Yeah it's something about human names that just eludes me yet. This is true. Not GonNa solve a collection of the strawberry. Go near Sachse Frazier. Start on for an. Even though I've labeled them and everything I still look at them and go which one of you I just can't get my head around any of the names and is all that many of them. I'm thinking you know some. Some daydream I had was to have the national collection of these plants. Thinking can be a rubbish national collection holder. Because I just can't keep these names in my head so yeah I totally understand what you're saying. Yeah we tried to Well we started. We haven't finished. But we started cataloging our plant collection. Just because you know in a year or two probably going to be moving and we're GONNA have to decide who comes in who stays and who we're going to give away that kind of thing but it was really interesting to try and go through. Remember where some of these plants came from if they're hybrids of their cultivars what they could be. And there's not a lot of good resources out there that are kind of consolidated for that kind of inquiry. You almost have to have these specialists books on GRAPPA PEDALO and CTO and that sort of stuff to to really start to tease it out. And it's no wonder that cultivars can go missing or just completely disappear after even a decade let alone close to a century or more of cultivating. Exactly what what are you using as your database? Are you using at poor spreadsheet? Just a spreadsheet. Yeah we started an excel sheet 'cause I WANNA I wanNA make graphs and I WANNA make you know. We have this many representatives of this family in this many continents represented in her. You know just I'm always thinking of ways to look at the data because I'm entrenched in that right now and I like to have more fun with it than to just grinding through it okay. Because I've been using an APP called sprouted which All I do all I wanna do is have on. My plants organized according to Genera and have a picture be taking a picture soft and know when I've lost reported it that's all I want. Don't want like fancy dancy reminders. Or them telling me this or sending me stuff. That's all I want from it anyway. This up seems to be really good. Unfortunately the only thing is I've just switched to an android phone and currently it's not available android keeping my very very elderly iphone going so I can keep importing. The data into this up really is useful because especially with the Hoyas as I get more and more hoyas trying to keep them. All in. My brain is impossible. So that's actually proven quite useful just to keep it but I've got so much my collection isn't in there yet and I'm trying to piecemeal fill it in but yet it's painful you think he. Yeah exactly what am I getting are from how? What's the story tonight last report it? I have no idea so the idea is to sort of update it as I go now on. Hopefully I'll get in every time and project probably won't be. We started in the winter thinking. Well we don't go outside as much and we need something on the weekends to keep us preoccupied not stir crazy but we got through like half of one room in our house and we were already into the triple digits. Plans are like. Oh boy exactly exactly. Yeah it's a big Joe peanut plants. You get an unknown particularly meticulous person so for me. It's a struggle but I say if I could just take a picture plant and know when it was last reported and that's about all I can manage to get together again. That will doubt about to me. It's tough I mean. We get a lot through trades with friends and other people and some people are more meticulous about it than others so not all of them come with tags and then the general like going to the nursery. I mean forget it most nurseries at least around here where we're at. Don't even bother trying to name the plants you walk in there. I think it's a foliage plant near like. What does that mean? Most of our staff came with like assorted cuttings. If we see something rarer unusual in the little fairy garden sections. We'll just grab him and go with it. But it's you're stuck with like this just says. A. S. T. PLANT. Yeah exactly yet Foliage plant the least helpful description ever. I've picked up quite a few plants on that basis But yeah I know what you mean I. I think that's such an oversight on the part of the sellers of you know over here is a lot of the big Dutch nurseries. Some of them do do good job. Labeling calling something foolish and putting completely wrong instructions for a cactus or succulent or telling you to throw away want just finish flowering is just kind of. It seems so wrong. It's bizarre not not everyone's going to use that information but at least put on there for the people who do want to use it But that's that's a campaign that is certainly go a long way to go. I think well I think you know the successes of podcast like yours and mine is proof that people actually do care. They just need to be presented that information in an interesting way or just make it available to them You'd be surprised. I think we write people off too quickly as being kind of bored with it or not interested winning rally. They're just not exposed to it. Exactly that is the thing and I think as soon as you do. Expose people to it. They want to know more so often. I'm seeing on faked my own facebook group and also other house plant facebook groups of just picked these up oftentimes in a supermarket. They're not labeled. What are they and people are hungry for knowledge Wh- what really bugs me is. When you get people who really don't know what it is commenting confidently and you're just like and they don't read the other use someone's correctly. I did it in the first two comments and somebody else's is then providing some other information that's completely incorrect. And you just Kinda WanNa die but yeah That's just that they have abandoned most of the House plant facebook groups that I was in. It just gets to be too much in. Its I again I. How many different times can you tell someone? It's a monster era and give them what they need to. That's one of things actually that I have to say tipping my hat to my listeners. And those who participate in our FACEBOOK GROUP. It is the only facebook group the house plans of ever come across where there is literally. I have never had to delete post. Sales literally is everyone is super well behaved. And it's partly because I've got to brilliant moderators who Three brilliant moderators actually. Who Do such a good job of screening people before they're allowed in and also just keeping an eye on things but we've never had any trouble toilets. It's been such a pleasure in everyone's so generous with their knowledge. And so yeah. I put that down to my excellent listeners And it's it's a real pleasure to take part in that group This great levels of knowledge in there as well there were some people now who are really expert in that field who will come on generously answer question so it's really really nice. That's wonderful yeah. You've cultivated a good audience pun intended. Yeah and I've actually seen somebody posted and I really want this from an antique shop in Pennsylvania. They've they've spotted a wooden sign with on the letter written on their own. I have to have that sign. I'm going to have to get in touch with this guy. it's it's amazing. Yeah I'M GONNA I'M GONNA stick steel about photo for my for my banner. That's I do have a bit of Murcia I have to say so. Yeah I need to get off one of my own hoodies because I do it like I use spreadsheets. So I don't actually have any things. Only Anita gone all to myself a Hoodie. The show season so I can promote my own show which is obviously that's another aspect and I know you. You have come up against this as well. Is You have to say people. This is free. This is freely provided. I'm delighted you're here but also this can't keep going without your without some people actually stumping up some money. Because you know this isn't free for me to make so that's another thing is wonderful is to have the support of listeners through patriarchal and Also through through advertising as well so that's a necessary part of of what we do and it's really for the people generous enough to donate money to keep the show going into Redo really important things like transcripts and things like that and free to travel around unstaffed so Yifu life all excellent listeners. Right I can't thank my patrons donors enough because I mean if it was not for the fact that they're they're helping me get through this each. I wouldn't have the time or be able to dedicate the effort to bringing free episodes every week to people so it really does make a huge difference in these endeavors. Oh Gosh I mean sometimes when. I'm really struggling. It's late on Friday night and I'm thinking Kinda get this done. I've got to get this done and you know if it wasn't for them I would just wouldn't be doing it but I've just occasionally you get an email which is just literally breaks your heart. I had one recently from a listener. Who was in Australia? And she was a garden there and was caught up in the bushfires had a very scary incident with not her own property but the property she was staying up was was nearly burned to the ground and they just managed to save it and she was saying that after that she was coming away from that and going back to her own home she had been listening to my podcast and found it really comforting just to have something else to focus on and said that she was really really happy to have that and it didn't know how she'd have got by without it and you kind of like. Gosh. I just got something in my eye now. So that's pretty amazing to hear that you know again. I just those kind of messages. I'm sure it's the same for you. Really keep you going through the hard times of making a regular car. Oh Yeah Yeah for sure. Yeah it's it's Yeah it's a major outback. Ram Right because you're like. I'm just a nerd talking about my love for plants. I don't understand how this is helping people but if it is oh my gosh. That's amazing thank you for letting me know that. This can have much deeper meaning for people than I ever intended it to exactly exactly. I think that's a that's a real plus and I mean that's why I saw to my show as well as I just love talking about plants. My family do not want me to hear to hear me since my husband in the past. You really need to start a podcast about the football club. You support because then I have to listen to you so far but yeah it's It's a good outlet for those of us. He's families don't really understand what we do. Yeah you gotTa have it. It's you know if you're that curious in that obsessive as we definitely are That's a really important. I'll let ya indeed. I'm one of the thing I wanted to ask you about her A Pepsi insight into this somebody in touch asking about the ramp plant trade and how it impacts on the house houseplant businesses in the US. I didn't really know much about this. I would love to take dilford delve into it further but I don't really know where to start in terms of you know. These rare are Roy's that we see popping up in booty cows plant stores. Surely they can't be sourcing. Those from the wild or can they. Surely that must be propagation from a small amount of plant material from a botanic gardens. I can you can you. Shed any light or point me in the right direction on this. I mean I certainly to say being poached. There's no doubt about that and it is a crime that needs to be taken far more seriously but at the same time you know if they're showing up in stores on a regular basis or if there's some sort of variegated cultivar version of a plant they're definitely propagated now. I'm I'm assuming just based on the people. I know from botanical gardens. People get very handy now. That people are more aware of it and understand that there's a demand for it. People are going into cuttings where they shouldn't they're being very. There's a lot of distasteful activities going on with the House plan trade on but a lot of the times. It's just okay you know. This variegated military camouflage looking version of Edwin. Ema suddenly became all the rage on instagram. It drives prices way up and then only the boutiques with insane amount of capital to invest in. It can get them. And that's why you're seeing you know these weird to me. It's outlandish prices on things like a variegated monster are Agla Nima. You know these triple digit prices. And I think it's a lot of it is just supply and demand. People are obsessed with their right now and he get a lot of like what they call and I vomit in my mouth. Every time I say this plant fluency plant influencers. That are just making these mundane things just so unbelievably popular just because they posted a cute picture of it. But I think you know. It's a mixture of people getting a little too Abrasive in botanical gardens collections. Or just getting their hands on someone had this and suddenly as popular like cutting that route it and then trying to mass produce it. But I'm not taking away from the fact that plants definitely get poached. I don't know how often it happens with Eros but you see a lot with the ORCA trade Yeah I think the OHKA trade is the big example of that is near and you can go on places like Ebay and look at some stuff and think Not sure that's legit. I'm not talked to Robby Blackwell Miles over here in the UK. Who's an expert in this area and yet it certainly does happen? Yeah and I mean the the good example of this was darth Vader Begonia. And you know within a few weeks of it being reported as discovered and described suddenly started showing up on Ebay in these weird little plant collections. Because someone in Southeast Asia had a supplier and they went out. Got It from the wild and started propagating. Now the flip side of this is if it's done properly permits can be obtained in people can do this. Ethically you've now taken pressure off of wild populations by bringing this plant into cultivation in. Oftentimes plants are far more common in cultivation than they are in the wild but I think way too often the need for making a quick buck outweighs doing it ethically yeah. Exactly I'm there's so many sort of strange things going on in the White House. One thing over here at the minute. The FIT engine. Birkin is going a bit nuts here and people are starting to find the at one or two garden centres and blowing up the whole stock then selling them online on facebook things for inflated prices because not everyone can get hold of them which I guess you could say on. The one hand is enterprising but on other hand. I don't know there's something a bit a bit about that from bit iffy about that for me for me. It just kind of feels a little bit like you know. There's something to be said about. I would encourage people to grow plants. I want people to think that it can be done in the more they grow them the more closer they get to them in the more they understand plants the better. I think the planet is going to be. So if you're bringing home you know a free cutting of Poso monster from your friend or your friend's mom or dad and you're growing at you don't succeed okay. It wasn't too much off your back. But if you're coming home from a boutique with a two hundred dollar cutting on you kill it. Chances are you're probably not going to be too adventurous. The next time it's to me it just seems like it's a fad right now and it might turn a lot of people off from trying to be. Good House. Plant parents. Sorry I think there's something wonderful about so many plants that aren't that popular and the Arrowhead. Bandwagon is rolling on. I love our wrong better. There is some really. I just can't understand why they were other plants which I think are equally as cooling amazing. The haven't yet reached those heights. And I'm a bit worried about Heuer's because I think who is could go that way if they st- how it would happen but this tipping point comes and suddenly everyone's going really nuts hoyas says the same pressure to get material out there but we shall see. I know that Hoya where episode in my In all the episodes I've done I think is the second most popular episodes on her. They are big. But it's just a case of whether I guess maybe they're not so dramatic on instagram. I don't know but yeah I really hope the hoyas mobile will get onto whereas but it doesn't lead some kind of gold rush. That's what I don't like to see. Yeah I think it's just the inevitability of the boom and bust nature of social media. Just the trends happen in the algorithms. It reinforced does. It's just you know you I did not see Munster outside of the corners of greenhouses up until a few years ago and now they're everywhere so who knows yet we had on crystal balls we could go out and buy up all the things that are going to be popular but certainly I mean I know for me I would say to people. You know. Ro- what speaks to you personally and for me. That's a lot of things that really are. Not that sexy In the eyes of Instagram. Such as Things like premium Lena's and other members of the Guest Narayan family. They're a bit more obscure you know. They're big on instagram. If you're Russian they're the main priverty grows. I seem to come across like I love this picture but I can't read any of this text because it sitting Russian. Yeah but Yeah so go with your heart likes they worry about whether it's the trendy thing because it'll probably be cheaper if it's not the trendy easiest to get hold of. I'm actually kind of lucky. I don't really go for showy things like big Godley flowers to me. I mean they're fine. I enjoy a nice big cymbidium or something like that. But they're just not really what does it from Alec Obscure Weird. Looking things in a lot of plants that grow are not showy by any stretch of the imagination. They just have weird. Biology's or natural history's that kind of attract me to them. My collection probably bore is a lot of people that come over and make a mistake and asking me about it. Well that's okay. I think you know the as long as you said is satisfying guide and was wonderful thing. So yeah I'm looking to get more warriors. This year have been talking to somebody and listen to that. I've worked with in the past and she's going to do meese and cuttings of Latinos or which I don't have which is a nice hoyer and what's the other one one other one and then I'm going to do how cutting my Macrophylla Var Ghardaia. Which is my favourite. Hoya at if you've seen that one. Hoya macrophylla Vera. Ghardaia is amazing looking. And it's really nice is variegated sure. Sorry but it's it is really nice. It's really nice plan. So lots of swapping going on hopefully this year in the realm of Hoya and yeah just trying to. I'm just also getting fined for propagation. I made the mistake of. I've I give away plans to people locally and exchange for a donation which this year is going to a hedgehog rescue all and I made the mistake on the facebook group of saying okay. I'm just GONNA sell some propagation which of the following a you'll interested in and then literally it was like everybody wants everything so I'm like okay. I need stop propagating. So yeah that's going to be for this year. Yeah it's it's nice because it means that I don't have to send plan through the Post. Mostly I do send a few cuttings to people. But mainly it's P- it's face to face and I can kind of help people out with advice after the fact if they run into difficulties and also some of these benefiting in the in the former donation to charity so it- everyone's everyone's happy with that. Yeah that's great. I love that idea. We we use the plant sale last year to fund. The purchase of a new Screened Gazebo for our. We just propagated a bunch of native plants and little yard sale and now we can sit outside without the mosquitoes destroying us in the summer. Oh that's great. That's a great idea. Yeah and I think if I if I'm driving along see there's a plant cell happening randomly or someone. I am joy nothing but I love it when he co go along and you can see the garden plants where somebody's gone. I'm not gonNA tell them. This is really invasive up this really facing we just how I ended up with my I can't even remember the Latin name of this we call it Gardiner's garters is grass across this really invasive. That's how I ended up with that in my gun because I was like. Ooh PRETTY GROSS WITH IN MY IGNORANCE. And then yeah but you know you live and learn exactly. I made the mistake of letting our deter anoxia go to seed and they're in pots which is good because it doesn't spread around the yard and create a new issue outside but Every pot that I left outside thinking auto just kill the seeds. Have to worry about it. Brought him in soon as they warmed up within a couple days hundreds of them Germany and I was like ooh boy got a very interesting mess on my hands with his now so I always have to. Caution People WanNa give away like. Don't rub on these or lead anything to on them they'll go they'll be driven to a very loopy heights Yeah I love it. Yeah it's it's a great thing to be generous with plans but you do. You sometimes have to issue. Health warnings about the only plant in might care that I am truly cautious about when I'm handling YEP WILL JANE. This has been really fun. 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Episode 155: your listener questions
"Mellow. Welcome to the PODCAST. That makes your house plants. Happy. And possibly you happy as well. I'm your host Jane Perron. distilling four decades of house plant growing into a few minutes of audio isn't that clever and this week show I I am going to be answering your questions well, other no maybe not your questions but questions that have been sent in by listeners and we'll be covering some really interesting ground. Thank you to all of you who've been in touch about last week's episode on the price of rare plants. I had some really interesting responses and great to see that most of you were fully on board with what I had to say and from Australia got in touch to say it's so nice to hear more about plants in a sensible way less hype about houseplants. Well Yeah. I. Mean I as anyone who listens to the show knows do get quite excited about house plants book I also do like to bring things down to Earth as much as possible. Yes. On the ledge keeping it real since February twenty seventeen. Anyway. Emma goes on say I really related to what he said about people spending ridiculous amounts of money on plants they only knew they needed a day ago when they saw someone else had it it's easy to have those feelings a form of plant envy but once you really question yourself about why you have these feelings it's easier to step back and say hang on a minute. I. Don't have the greenhouse conditions needed to grow that John Theory of. So that's a wasted my money Maloney lead to plant disappointment. Yes Emma planck disappointment is what we're trying to avoid around here. So yes, be passionate about plants. Yes. About plants but do not allow yourself to drift into practices that are not good for you. As a person I heard from one listener who has a friend he was waking up every hour one night recently, t check up long website because they've been doing these kind of ghosts drops because plants of rare, and therefore they're trying to put them out at times when it's on their website to crash and I, just scream is up tight and felt sorry for that person the is. That's ruining a good night's sleep for the sake of plants to me. That's a bit of a worry but you know we all have our own personal boundaries. So you just need to keep examining yours and make sure that you are staying physically and mentally aware of house plants and how they're affecting your life and I also heard from a listener on instagram he said. Great to see someone high-profile calling BS and offering a different approach to being a plant lover it doesn't need to be an extension of conspicuous consumption. We will be talking more about these issues as the ball Costco's Ford I'm sure it's not going to be the last time. This comes up and it's an ongoing thread really through the podcast. That's why I've done episode on plants. Watson talked about plant swaps. That's why I run the house plants. So along every year, because there are other routes through this house pond hobby, then dropping loads of money on it. Thanks Matthew from New York who is a patron and he got in touch tell me about something good that happened to him. A friend had hacked off a piece of their struggling monster and Matthew. Didn't have much hope decided to try to salvage it by putting it into a nursery part of potting mix and then got to outgrew hormone. Let it go hoping for the best. Well, La says Matthew I'm so thrilled and even just got a new leaf I couldn't have done it without you. Well, that's lovely to hear Matthew and it's looks like it's doing really well so. Props to you. I'm really impressed with. The findings go to nice big fat route coming out in the bottom is extra good. Thanks to pirates and swallows in New Zealand for writing a review on the ledge. This was the first ever podcast they listen to all that is call but I mean, well, can you imagine your first podcast experience is on the edge? I think my podcast experience was in a massive cliche probably cereal. Or possibly the archers American listeners may not have any idea what that is but it's a very long running I think it's been going fifty years BBC. Radio for soap that is also available as bad 'cause I think that might have been my I listen anyway, very different from the shores of off the ledge but it's great to hear that I managed to convert her partisan swallows into listening to podcast and they are hooked. Brilliant. Thanks also to the two hundred and thirty on people who send me money every month or now increasingly every year as many of you have swapped over to an annual membership carry on. Shujing have become crazy plant people. This week colleen has become a legend and Mary has bought me a coffee DECAF Americano with milk no, she's got two co Dash, dot com and made a donation on a one off basis and those kinda donations. All fantastic to they help to keep on the lake going. Well, let's crack announced the first question which comes from Kerry and carry board. What she calls a scandal means Mike Hans plant from baby plants dot com a company in the Netherlands which. Is Very popular for selling these very small young plants. So if you go on the website, you can see can buy an allocation Sabrina in a four centimeter diameter pot four about four and a half pounds and no wonder they are proving very popular for growers in Europe and the UK. She writes it arrived absolutely sodden looking bit limp. So I took it out of the pot to remove as much putting media as possible and reported on doing this I discovered is not actually one plump six stems tied together with an elastic band. There was some roots, but it'd a bit difficult to tell where they're coming from without separating the whole thing which I'm not keen on doing is this normal practice to Selah plant like this first of all a word about the name of this plant they own selling in this plant as Philodendron Scan Danes Mike. Cans now I think I mean I roy taxonomy as we all know is A. Bit of a minefield but. This is what I would call. Philodendron. Hetero. Mike Hans Eight trailing philodendron with these beautiful bruhns e velvety leaves, which is proper adorable unlovely. It was sold as a medium sized plant with the Drama Troupe of twelve centimeter height five centimeters. So not a tiny tiny baby plum Mrs rose to be a slightly bigger one and I contacted baby plants direct to ask about this issue. And this was their reply. We don't grow this plot ourself. So we have asked the grower, the blood is grown from cuttings they put them together with the support band to grow and make new routes. This plant is grown and sold in a pediatric nurse report that's quite a big pot for the plant. So that is why they use more cuttings to fill the pot so that. Is the deal we've got this plant sold as a medium plot, but in fact, it is a bunch of cuttings. The first thing to say about this is the practice among nurseries of packing, Paul with young plants or indeed cuttings to make it. Look more full is very, very, very widespread i. saw someone the other day with polycom Chow Doria elegance on twitter I. Think this might. Have, been in house our actually and they're wondering what to do because some of the lease looking really crispy and looking at the part you could just see there were so many young seedlings chuffed in this part together that they were just out competing one another. So the question is, is it fair to describe this plant as a medium plant when it's made up of cuttings? Well? It's a really widespread practice is very, very common I can see how lots of people new to the hobby would be very confused about this and wouldn't really understand the same happens with Swiss cheese plants, lots of baby seedlings in apart, and as a result, it looks like you've got a more mature plant that you have. Of course, with these kinds of plants you can't tell by looking at the foliage just how mature the plot is. The elastic bands interesting one again, this is certainly not unheard of come across many people who have. Taken their plots out of parts and discover that there's an elastic band in there. Is it how I want to receive a medium philodendron plant probably not I have to say I don't really want there to be an elastic band hin rather plant because although I'm probably going to spot it because I usually do look at the root ball lots of people are not going to spot that and as the reach grow on the stems grow. It's probably GONNA. Start restricting the plants growth and ideally there's cuttings shouldn't be all shoved in exactly the same spot in the pot. So that is something that concerns me. But as I, say, it's a fairly widespread practice. What would say carry is if you are unhappy with this unhappy with description and if anyone else out, there is in the same boat to go back to the supply and say, this is not acceptable. I am not happy with this because the only way that things are gonNA. Change is if supplies realize that customers are not happy with this way of doing things. So I think it's about trying to get our message across to the suppliers that they need to look. Again at the way they are packaging and putting their plants so that they will survive in the long-term because it's it's not very sustainable either to have a plot that is. Hobbled from the beginning and likely to die because it's been either shoved in apart with loads of its fellow cuttings or young plants all because it's got a band around it that could be restricting growth and causing problems in the interests of balance. I should say that I have also heard lots of good reports about baby plants, dot com, and a d like the. Way that they offer a chance for you to start off with a really spoil specimen of Aplomb, which you can then bring on as opposed to buying a really big specimen, which then might struggle a bit more auto data. Your situation I'd love to know what you guys think about this. I know that some of you work in the nursery trader you've got some. Thoughts on this matter tube I'm what to do with this particular plot carry assuming you're not going to send it back. Well, what I would do is what you've done already take out the port have a good look clip away that elastic band and removed to seen as possible, and then report is in a nice airy house plot mixes would be good. For our kids just making sure that you give each of the cuttings some space because if the cuttings a rule tightly tucked together, they're unlikely to grow wells to spread them out across the pots and hopefully you're part will begin to thrive. There's nothing to say that belong won't thrive brilliantly but that kind of intervention might mainly the difference between it thriving struggling. Now a question that I don't the Old City to. Well. I, guess that's not really the point at this cute as it, but I wanted to put this out there for some botanists succumbed back to me answer this question comes from plants a Trine on Instagram I'm plan to train rights I. See a lot of people advocate watering plants from the bottom I e pouring water on a saucer and letting the plant and soil. So Cup what it needs from blow this is apparently good because the plot actually soaks up only one it needs and some say quite a few plants don't like getting water on their leaves, which is just so strange to me because water does come from above in nature noah runs around only waters from below. So any views? Wow, this is a good question plans a trine I mean I was being slightly facetious when I said that I couldn't answer it. I do have a few theories for you. On this, there is really one overarching answer but I think there are a number of. One answer is that Yes rain oviously does come from above but a lot of house plants that we grow come from climates where they might not. Be Exposed to that much rain. What do I mean by that? Will, of course, the CACTI and the succulent that we grow might experience. A long periods of drought, but what they will get these ju forming on their above ground parts. In the early mornings after cold night and the theory is that a lot of CACTI succulents. Harvest this Ju. The CACTI in particular. The deal condense onto the spines in their run down towards the aerials to be used by the plant. There's still a lot of research going on in this area and some CACTI see much more effective doing this than others but it's really interesting to see how they've evolved to harness wherever moisture they've got in the environment, and then he might come to a plant like the African violet. Now, of course, this is a hybrid that's been bred over an over, but the original plants that grow in a very small area of Tanzania in the mountains of the Hudson. Gua National Park. There she very rare in the wild. Now, they tend to grow on damp rock faces near a water source. Often they're overhanging rashly not going to get any water on their leaves and the water is going to come from a water source below the surface water trickling through the cracks in the Rock, and it's also worth bearing in mind does application of a watering Cantu the surface of. A House plant part is quite different to rain falling from the sky in terms of the way that it's going to land on the leaves and soak into the soil and also bearing in mind that generally plants in the wild or read it into the ground, and then they might have naturally limited space because they're an epic fight and there tucked into a tree branch or their lift. Liver live and there tucked into a piece of rock by inevitably that just going to grow in a different way than when grown in a container in our homes I'm thinking here of Pepperoni is if he doesn't back to the pepperoni episodes with Sally Williams, she explains how she waters plants very very rarely because they take in so much moisture from the air and plant a also raises. The issue of plants not liking water on their leaves and yes, this is true to some extent I. Have Heard People say, Oh, well, you know African violets and other neurons hate water on their leaves. I think ease a difference between a plant being on a windowsill and having a big splash of water on its leaf and plants being watered by the rain naturally I found that my. Gesner, African, Violets, and others that I've put outside for bit have been absolutely fine. The water's kind of dried off believes okay I. Think probably also there's a factor of we expect our house plants look absolutely perfect and we freak out if one leaves a bit damaged whereas obviously in nature. Plants are damaged all the time and they are able to cope with that. So nobody's really worried if if plant in the wild has a few spots on its leaves, sort of some answers to the question, but I'd love to hear from many botanists he think they got more to say on the subject I think it's something that's really worth looking at and it really is worth interrogating you're watering techniques and thinking about why you're doing things the way you're doing them because there's always room for experimentation I'm sorry that's not a full and complete answer plant a tree but hopefully, that's whetted your appetite for more information on this the. And Oh, I am not sorry for the terrible. Next, up, it's a question from haven see who's a new fan of the show on a very near plant keeper. Havens, he got in touch on Instagram to ask about our problem with the monster delessio Zor that they've had for about four months. It's in a very bright southeast facing window and the new growth is looking gorgeous. Yes it really is haven city. So what's the problem? Well, the old leaves that came with the plant of rather unsightly they crispy or soft rights agency they're just very crinkled and weird I don't want to keep them and I want to give this plant. Moscow come I just remove them also, what causes these needs? Looking at the picture, the new foliage looks amazing. Haven see that's awesome. But what's happening with the distortion? Well, distorted leaves are often caused by sub sucking insects, things like eight and white flies thrifts, and it may will be that this plant had an investigation of those at some point during his production in the nursery and the damage was done before you even got the plant and it can result in this distorted growth I would check the leaves the distorted very closely low just to check that there's nothing going on still going on there. Because sometimes these can lurk and he just can't spot them. You know as I always say hand Lens or magnifying Lens will help you to see things close up. I mean the other thing that can cause distorted lease our environmental conditions when the plot was in the nursery it to me that if the new leaves are okay that the problem is not happening currently. Can you remove the leaves? Well, yes of course can. Monsters Yoga is incredibly tough and won't respond to badly. I. Would say that it's maybe we're thinking about staging the removal of those leaves doing one and the leaving it for well checking the plaza and then doing another. I would remove them really close to the basis close to the basis. You can possibly get without actually damaging the base of the you don't get a of ugly stem dieback and that way you should be able to put Moss Pole in with your monster and it should be absolutely fine. You know it's got about four I can't see exactly maybe four or five really nice big leaves coming so the plant will cope. The only thing to bear in mind is that it may. Slow down the growth forbid you get this reaction of being slightly shocked by the leaf removal but on the other hand, sometimes pruning can promote new growth. So I think you're monster. This year's will be absolutely fine. But yeah, distorted growth is a big flag for pest infestation. So do do make sure you check your plant breeding very carefully other symptoms. You might see our stickiness on the lease which is caused by the honeydew, which is basically at poos secreted by the little beasts and if it's threats, you might see some. stipple into the leaves as well. On the undersides, always check those on the sides I heard that helps agency and do let me know how you plant gets on. I. Now a question about a Hoya it's hoyer courtesy either Delilah wants to ask about deliveries finding the leaves yellowing and dropping on her plants. She sounded Brat three months and reported in detail withdrawal draining. So and you want is twice a week when the top soil is dry. Love this year but it's a bit of a yeah. I. Haven't had an easy time with my one either but it's really gorgeous mall lead Hoyer way these little sort of teardrop shaped leaves which are stippled with Silva. Once against to reasonable size, it will start to trail the problem with this plot is very slow from cuttings and I do have cussing some miners only really just started growing I'm not sure how easy this plant is to get in other countries but here in the UK or have seen some big plants this going on sale at various specialised plant shops or is becoming more available. From Malaysia and that gives you a clue about something. That does like a good amount of humidity if it's going to put on some serious growth. My little cutting. Yeah. It started to grow finally but it's been so slow. I'm hoping that it's putting on tons of regret, and that's why it has been so slow because I have found with some other ways that they tend to do nothing on top and then suddenly just go wild. So this is a plot where you want to give it good humidity and. You know, put it, put it in a place where it's getting good humidity or in with you starting with young cuttings, maybe stick it under gloss cloche. Like all Hoyas, it does need shop drainage and I. Think this is probably why Delilah your plant is dropping leaves I. Think it's probably too wet around the roots. If you haven't repotting plants and she bought it I would definitely recommend having a look at the potting mix and considering reporting in something that is a bit more free draining. You could use something like a character potting mix and then add some power light. A mother makes this one's in at the moment is regular Haussmann compass with really generous handful of polite and also some finely milled orchid bark. Let me put it back over here before I forget. Loss close goes down. squeaky chair. Sorry about that. You watering twice a week, which might be a bit too much for the plant. The topsoil may be dry but have you checked the brutes lower down by sticking your finger in or using a water meter? It's really worth checking. The plant really does need watering. I think those leaves are coming off because of water logging. So check soil ease back on the watering and hopefully plumber recover it might be worth taking cuttings if he can of healthy stems just as an insurance policy because you never know quite what's going to revoke role and the other take four horror courtesy our is it likes a shallow and wide pot as opposed to a narrow deep one. Now, looking at my I've got a in exactly the wrong kind of pot. Yeah I need to change that but shallow why parts are recommended for work to CI so. All of those, and hopefully, your plant will be able to recover and get on with its queer life before long Delilah. Okay let's keep going. We've got a question from Ali who wants some tips on growing black pepper the Latin name, which is Piper Negro them all these sports, some seeds and wanted to give it a go. But only can't find any tips on growing them as a house plants and ask is there good reason for this, I'm soaking the seeds but have no idea what I'm doing. Please help me. Well. I. Have To admit that this is not something I've ever come across as a houseplant Ali I. Think this is something online might seeing growing say at the tropical bio at the Eden project the huge. Dome shaped greenhouses in Komo here in the UK, which does house a lot of exotic plants that are growing for food the cousin of this plot, the ornamental pepper piper. chruch. artem. Yes. That is grown indoors is not that popular I mean I've had is gaining popularity. It was one of those things that was in Dr has the House houseplant expert but not one that you ever really saw sold in God centers but I think it starting to become more popular I. Did find own the laid back. Gardeners bloke information about growing this plant as a house plant and Larry says that it's not the easiest plants grown slow to reduce its first berries calculate calculated least for years but it is doable and I think Logie's do sell these plants in the US. Basically, you're going to need to mimic the tropical climate in your house so you need to not let it go but blow about sixty Fahrenheit fifteen centigrade and make sure it's getting high humidity. Loads of Sun so not easy and you will need to transfer it to grow up but you know a fun thing to start and see how it gets on and then baps you can pass it on to somebody who's got a big greenhouse. I think the main struggle is going to be getting enough to those young seedlings. Some kind of any grow light would really help especially in the winter. Know, we'll need to be kept up cold drafts this tropical plant. So it's GonNa need you know twenty degrees Celsius and not a great temperature drop at night also won't like dry air coming from radiators or events in the winter when your heating zone. So probably not the easiest thing to raise but a fun thing to try, and that's the joy of growing stuff from seed because you really count experiment and it's not going to break the bank I do think the. Ornamental members of this genus are becoming more popular gayness house plants, something that you might grow under a claw or in a terrarium. Probably, the most popular species is piper. CRA, Khartum grown for these beautifully in silver inscribed leaves and climbing habit. There's a few different ones you can grow. But at the moment, it's still quite expensive to buy a not widely available. So one to look out for in those mixed trays at the girls since when you occasionally find the off Jim. That is all for this episode. There were few nuggets of information there that were of use. If, you don't follow me on Instagram, do, check, out at J. or L. dollars. Perot do put out the odd video. Cool Peron's plants about went along collection and I'm GonNa finally get round to doing a video about my new plant shows with lighting. So do go check that out J. don't L. Dot Perron I can't be at Jane Perron because somebody else's Jane Perron? Down them anyway. It's all. The of the news please cross everything for me next week because I've got my final. rhs exams. Big Sigh I'll get through this. We'll get through this together to anyone else taking rhs exams good luck, and Godspeed in the meantime have a Fan Darby dozy eweek. And made me back here in seven days time for more plot conversations. Check advice on fun. It's on the ledge I'm Jane Perrault. The music you heard in this episode was rolled your enrol by the joy drops an instrument, the boy called Happy Day Connor by Samuel Corwin and sundown by Josh. Woodward. 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Episode 127: sustainability part three - pots
"The hello and welcome to on the Ledge podcast. I'm your oh host Jane Perron and this week. We're going a little bit party. It's episode one hundred twenty seven and in this show. I'll be discussing the the rights and wrongs of plastic pots. The difference between a cash bought and in apart. And I'll be talking to ceramicist Hannah Moro about what what makes a good pot. Plus we meet Listener Ash. And I'll answer a question about variegated monster. Thanks to New Patrons Ryan Ryan and Antonia this week. Who became ledge ends DOS unlocked? Lots of extra content in the form of my bonus. PODCAST host annexed relief world on you guys and if you want to find out more about how to support the show financially and in other ways do check out the show notes Jane Perron Dot Com. Thanks for your feedback on the bonus episode interviewing Nicholas Spence about plot passports. It seems like lots of people are still getting to grips with this new. You set of regulations here in the UK and the rest of Europe. And it's something that's going to take a while to shake down fully. I did hear from people who are giving up growing houseplants for sale. Who Hobby scale just? Because they're worried that this is going to add t much expense and hassle to what they've been doing and also from people who we're still not sure whether the regulations affect their including somebody who was trying to take Banzai to a show outside the UK so there's obviously lots of ground still to be covered on this one so if you're not sure whether you come under the plant passports regulation and you are in the UK. EUROPE DU recommend getting in touch touch with your local slash national body. WHO's dealing with this and asking the questions because every situation is different? We've had a real flood a lot of people getting in touch wanting to take part in meet the listener which is absolutely great. If you've already heard back from myself off from Kelley with instructions on how to take part or sent toss your audio then thank you. We'll be in touch soon letting you know when that will run as I say we've got a bit of a backlog now so it may be a few weeks but we'll try to keep you posted. It's just lovely to hear all your voices because I'm so used to the sound of my voice. It's great to hear yours and today we have listener Ashe from Connecticut Etiquette in the US over to you asked Pearson. I'm calling from Middletown Connecticut in the northeastern United States. I have over fifty plant species growing in my little apartment with four windows. I'm also a perennial grower at alkyl or nursery and I have a degree in horticulture. So I just really love plants question one fun and all your plans are about to bowed you. Won't you grab escape. I had to choose just one plant and would probably be my Americana Day which as a dwarf grafted Avocado We got it as a wedding gift three years ago and it takes three to five years to start producing fruit so it really hate to have to wait that Khlong again question two. What is your favorite episode of Old Ledge and actually member of my local African Violet Society? And I've got maybe twenty varieties of just mariot so my favorite episode would probably have to be episode eighty eight which is all about African violets question. Three which Latin name do you see to impress people botanical Latins. Really Fun for me. Actually at everything. The thing we talked about at work has to be by the Latin name. We don't use common names that all I really like leary Oh dendron to a faira. which is the Tulip Tulip poplar or tulip tree or glitzy attract cantos? Friday enormous. Is your common Thornley honey. Locust question fooled crushing acid metabolism Gauchan. I love kitchen. I Love Guitar. Not only is the science but he didn't really cool. The leaves always looks so pretty pretty when they're covered in tiny water droplets especially really cool on talk strawberry plants. That's really question five. Would you rather spend spent two hundred pounds on a variegated monster. All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI. I would rather have wanting wanting new interesting cat tied for two hundred especially really liked the apathetic CACTI and I would really likes more at the film Long Brooke Solace may be indefinitely. Some more Christmas cactus for my collection so some unusual CACTI would be so much more fun than one expensive plant thanks to ask. I have a burning desire to be featured on on the ledge. Do get in touch way particularly interested in hearing from people who are from places we haven't yet featured in the slot and now it's time for some pot chat. Yes we talked about container today not any other kind of party. You may be thinking of. Let's start from the outside in and talk about cash pots I now. What exactly is a cash pot? Well it's a fancy French term for what we might call a container or planter a double pop or now to pot as the name suggests cash means this little hidden supply so it's a cover for a less attractive pot that's actually containing the plant and his ripple pool and the beauty of the cash is that you can switch them around as much as you like without having to do any repotting usually by their nature. They don't have drainage holes in them. I have seen a couple of videos. Going around on the net of people making holes in cash pots using a bowl of water and a cloth and screwdriver and a hammer where they basically invert the port. Put the cloth inside it put inside under the water in the bucket and then then smack the screwdriver with hammer and make a whole this. I'm sure this does work. It seems to work from looking at the video. It's an alternative to getting one one of those special ceramic drill bits doing it with a drill. What's worth remembering about? This is you will need to make more than one hole in the bottom of the pot because one eighteen hole is not going to be enough training for most plants. It is a way of using cash ports as a single port. You will have to add a saucer. Obviously but it's an option shen if you don't like the the cash pot in pot combination one of the problems with putting a plastic in pot inside the cash part is it literally does us. How things in other words you might get a little bit lazy with watering and I am certainly guilty as charged when it comes to this you sprinkle the water on the top and it comes out the bottom and you think I'll come back in half an hour and then they're out? Do you come back. Maybe hopefully yeah. Sometimes you forget and the water gets left at the bottom of the pot which as we know is a recipe for the roots rotting one. Little tip way around this. I tend to put at the bottom of my cashpoints. A layer lia depending on the size of the Paul anything from a centimeter to five centimeters. Deep of either greater gravel or pebbles or ideally expanded clay pebbles known. Well they sold under the brand name hydraulic here in the UK and the beauty of these are very lightweight. It doesn't really add to the weight of your part but whatever have you use. The water goes into that layer and generally Vena pot is held above the water level. So you don't have. This issue can also work as a little mini pebble trae and increase increase humidity around the plant. The watch then ease if you're cash poor is not fully waterproof and you've got it on a piece of furniture you may find that. There's a mark that goes who's owned the wooden furniture from the damp part. I put a Cork Matt underneath most of my cash ports to avoid this problem you buy them cheaply online. Oh by Tax Mike here say courage ports a lovely things are not so lovely although admittedly very useful are the plastic parts that most of our house plants come in when we buy them at the Garden Center. We're all getting really concerned about plastic in the environment. So what's the deal with these plastic parts. Well the trouble is that most of with them are black or dark colors which the machines that scan our recycling at the recycling plant caught actually recognizes plastics. So lots of these parts end up going straight into landfill rather than being recycled now in the long-term oversee this this is something that we're hoping that the plastic industry will Soltau. But in the meantime what can you do. Well they're all more companies selling tope colored pots of Pale Brown colors which are easy for the scanners to pick up. So they're worth looking out for. And the other thing you can do is just reuse those parts as often as you can. There really is no excuse to be buying brand new packs of plastic parts. It's that easy to get hold of if you don't have enough. Just ask around on free free cycle and if you're trying to get away that's also good place to offer them. Because has there are often community groups doing gardens or school Garbin groups. He will looking for those parts. If you can't get rid of them that way we'll hang onto them because if you're doing the allege so long this spring You may need quite a few pots for putting on your plants as they grow and it is handy to have a range of different sizes when you report deport. The other issue with plastic recycling is that you really do need to clean your plastic recycling really thoroughly even if your local authority does collect elect and recycled plastic plant pots. If you leave them covered in soil they will reject them so they do need to be really clean in order to be recycled. So that's an extra jaw for if you if you are going to recycle your pulse I do love terra. Cotta and where possible ideas tried to plant straight into terra cotta. It works brilliantly for things. Things like CACTI and succulents that need that extra around roots Hoyas as well they just absolutely love terra. Cotta put pot and it is more pleasing you do need to have a source runs an eighth and beware that a lot of the sources that you buy at the Golden Center Takata sources are not actually waterproof. Only on the inside if they don't have a glazed on the inside and they are going to suck up water and again can molecule furniture. What proofing spray on the inside of that will avoid the water going through? I'll find a link to where I've bought that from in the past and put that in the show notes. If you're interested in finding that out I found over the years that often the people here are clearing out. There sheds have terra cotta pots. That they're happy to sell me off. Give me and then I'll give it a nation to charity. So that's a really good way of getting hold of terror called reports they are quite fragile. So you do find that you do lose quite a few breaks and so on but they are wonderful things to have. And they're very forgiving. People ably tend to slosh too much water around so definitely worth trying if you are not succeeding with plastic pots and do seek out and support companies that are starting to sell reports in other ways. Either Integra Carter parts that they've upcycle draw recycled and also scheme could Pasi pots. Which is coming in here in the UK which is where gone centers at the point of sale when you're at the till they will take the plants out of plastic parts and put them in a Pasi Pot which is a cardboard temporary pot so then when you get home you can just put your plant up? I'll put details about in the show notes to do. Get asking your logo plot supplier to think about about plastic and hopefully with some consumer pressure. We can get some change moving in this area. There are a few pots made of other things available. I've tried to hear these east. I've tried some poor pots made from queer fiber Quite frankly they were absolutely useless they would just too porous and let in too much at and they dried out extremely quickly. But I'll be interested to hear from anyone who for those who've actually worked okay hacks. Knicks are among one of the brands selling bamboo pots here in the UK so these are free from plastics BPA Supposed to be compostable and biodegradable lost about five years before they will start ought to fall apart. So that's definitely worth looking for. If you can't find such items are often quite slow to decompose in the compost heap. But I guess ultimately they will decompose a heck of a lot quicker than plastic which will be with us for Millennia. I've used bamboo pots and found them. Really really good is mainly just a question of getting and hold them which isn't always easy. It depends where you live and what shops you have near you. And they do seem to be available in most gone centers near me now so hopefully. The trend is spreading reading. If you've got any other insights suggestions on sustainable pots for your plants and do get in touch. I'm sure there are different things happening in the US to here in the UK. So I'd love to hear from you about what you're doing. So where do you pick up your cashpoints. Well I am a big proponent of checking out your local charity shop thrift saw auction house junk shop. These great places to lay your hands on some really interesting parts yes they will probably base ones that aren't particularly to your taste but they will also be lots of treasures to be found there for a reasonable price. The other thing I highly recommend is looking around for people who are creating pots. We might call them artisanal. In this day and age there are some amazing ceramicist working around the world creating beautiful pots. That really will will make a statement in your home. Moreover is a ceramicist living in La. I spoke to her about the inspiration for her designs on how to pick a really good pope by name is Hannah Moro and ceramic designer originally from London. I now live in Los Angeles told me a bit about this collection of parts that you you made Which I believe are inspired by bit of bit of art just a fact story I was designing and getting my remarks made in England I starts? It's to Kinda WanNa make a game myself and So I was in Paris See my mom and I went to see the Dave David Hockney me a retrospective and was just so inspired by the California paintings. The pool paintings and I've always loved them but I've never actually seen seen them in real life and when I came back I I was kind of looking around the house and I have this fiddle fake that I've had for ages actually founded in the in the rubbish rescued it but anyway needed apart and I thought wow. I'd really like a pink Paul but I didn't really have anything anything that I really liked and I thought well why I just kind of put the two together and and make different colors And I think I think is like really Matt's pots rather than the sort sort of the shiny Glazed ones so I put together this This new collection it took about two years to develop and that made from colored clay. I said that's not a bit different in twenty eight different colors. Wow you sometimes see on these. These ubiquitous social media channels releasing saying try making your own ports but I imagine when you actually get down to the growth of this to make a pot. Success works accessory in every sense. Visually practically is probably harder than it looks. What what are the characteristics of the ideal plug pot? Well for me. I didn't want I love Terror Casa parts but they do stain so One of the one of the challenges for me was coming out with a clay lightbody. That would be vitrified which basically means it's it's sealed So that was a challenge. Because you know you can have a lovely color and then you live with it for months and it has all these hopes stains So that and then I just I really liked simple shapes so Just something. That was really simple that you could use inside or outside Yeah and just To me like it doesn't have to look at so. I really do believe that you should get what you love loves. And and you don't feel judged on any level about what you like but Those were the things that I was looking for like really strong colors or like just colors that it really You know suckle strong and then just a really simple shape But then what challenges in making it just it will and and You know just just ceramic challenges like you said it was. It's it's a little bit of work to go from from beginning to end but He learned in law so I learnt hell of a lot on the way. I was fine when I'm choosing parts that I find a really lovely love when I get home and I tried to put the the inner pot that I've with plant in it. If I'm using as a cashpoint that often times the shape of those parts is wrong. They're either too gene tall and narrow or their sort of their curved at the bottom of the hawk doesn't sit comfortably. There seemed to be so many challenges I mean I have a law. Pots sitting around unused just. Because they just don't suit the the the plants that I've got at the moment and I'm always kind of digging around. I must Tuukka pop. Suzy's plan Ono. I I know it's so hard. I think you know what you think you know. You think you know what's going to work and then when you you get at home like you said you think Oh that's it I'll go back and back I'm like a I like to me. My my purchases go back and back then even then make the wrong decision so I think I think having a variety and the thing that I wanted with my poets was that you have different. You can kind of complement. The color or clash clash with the color. So if you have green Paul you Evergreen Palm you know just it has flowers so I think it's it is it is it's harder. Can you think I'm totally with you on that like I've made I've made a lot of well. I don't WanNa say mistakes. 'cause they always stay around but it is hard to find the right the right pot for the right APLOMB. I'm how has your collection of pulse. Go Down with People Birmingham. Yeah you know. It's really interesting to me. What the colors that people buy? Because so you kind of get an insight into people's what they personality or just Kinda what they're going for and with my stuff. I found that love people. I'm I have full multiples. So they'll buy like three yellows or like a blue and red and the yellow or you know just different varieties and and you know sort of different colors male-female. It's IT'S I. I'm I'm sort of amazed and and really kind of impressed by people's color choices because unlike all wouldn't put that got together but I actually really like it And then actually people they come with or without draining hole and I've actually found quite a lot of people have bought them without the whole which to me means they're probably using them maybe without clones or they can use them for both if you'll Catholic s So it it's it's been really really interesting thing and You know sort of surprising and a good way you said that you go off Italy figure out the trash. I love these stories where people fine fine fine blonde on missing kind of area but tell me a little bit about about you. How's Ponzi a you because grow or is there's a new thing for you? You Know I. I feel that when I was a teenager I went through. The you know the the Spider plants KINDA RUBBER PLA seventies mood. And then you you know Cottam move into other stuff and always loved house floods and you know. Obviously they're having like a big moment at the moment which I think is great For me not to answer the. I'm always finding so I think maybe people throw a lot stuff out in la. And I'm always finding plots that need rescuing so bring them in or even just like succulents that are being chopped out and I'm also also getting if you walk around you can get lots of little and you know Cuttings and stuff. So I'm always taking a little cutting and then growing it I love the whole kind of you know sort of finding things for nothing. Nothing kind of elements to gardening So yeah I have. I have a mixture and then I have other. I just actually Banzai which I'm very excited about a little Banzai and Just different I have a USO plan and a prayer plan and and then my my found my often slumps Salaam with them. I sounds fantastic. I loved the idea of of being in a in. La and just being surrounded by amazing plants growing outside as well as inside inside plants. That really certainly wouldn't be growing outside here in the UK. Where are you selling your part? So they are they being sold from your studio. We sell them online. Yeah I'm selling them online on my website. H FOR HANNAH DOT COM and Yeah just I'm kind of keeping it. You know just on my website for the moment because then just everything's kind of within my control and the great thing about nowadays is so easy to do it with shopping for and stuff like that. So yeah that's that's that's the plan and and yeah just selling on my side now you very diplomatic in saying that you know people you respect people's choices but come on. Let's there was some terrorists. Pulse out there thaddeus terrible parts out that I'm thinking about the lawyer on that I've been given or I just ended up with randomly but I have some Tara. Awesome terrible parts of like weird shapes and all colors. I mean one of the crimes against against pots that we can. We can mention here. I mean I one crime is just being too boring the what the white glazing. Yeah what is so ubiquitous idea. I call them the only key for. Yeah it's an I have many. It's such a cliche. I guess in a way. There's nothing wrong with that if it goes with your decor but it just doesn't say anything you really know. I mean to me the biggest offense to me like visually is those kind of twitter early. Those things with us sort of slow release florally sort of imprint. There are a lot of things I you know I personally won't but like I said if you like it yourself. Why not and I think the weird thing is also a lot of things that probably ten years ago? I'd have been really snobby about the parts that my parents had the The West the west German lava parts. And all that and you surround. Yeah I mean like now I'm not going. Wow I'm sure. My parents throughout a heck of along when they moved to Canada because they are now but yeah there were money. And I'm thinking you know go shopping. I wouldn't have given me fifty one. I know I know I know. Appreciation of certain styles has changed. I think over the years. Yeah I think I find a lot stuff secondhand. They have a yard sales here so I've had a lot. I've got a lot of terra cotta parts and just nice pulse from From you know second hand and they they have kind of a story of their I really like I like a mixture. I don't like everything to perfect. That's you know. It seems to me just more interesting more of more of a life I left. I actually just explain these these west German parts. Anyone who hasn't seen one they're kind of they're often in color seventeen shades of orange ingenuity and rusty red and they kind of sort of bobbly in rough. Sometimes they've got to call it an umbrella thing going on or different Patton students. They're quite you can explain these better than I can A different kind of like it's like a volcanic glaze so it kind the has sort of like volcanic kind of looked at a little bit. Yeah they they seemed to be they seem to be very very trendy now. Yeah I know I really wish I had those reports from the past back in my possession but maybe go is buddies fashion for you. The other thing and I'm looking at one right now. My desk which I think is a bit of a fashion crime. Dan and I think he's going to date very happy. I've got these parts. That are kind of like silver and kind of geometric only a- services offices they re they win for Awhile Yes yes one of the things that Lewis me about them is they go in the top yes he is a problem because any overhanging going in just makes it difficult to get the and you've got a within a port. It just makes it difficult to get access the poem so yeah and it doesn't totally make sense as a design for Paul. 'cause then things can grow out. I don't know it's just just I if they did have a moment not that long ago actually but maybe stick around like the lava parts may be put it somewhere and then bring it back out again because he might come back well. That's very true and I often. I think that I'll have a partner. I think I'm Nevin eases because I'm never going to have the right shape plan and then I put it in the shed and then two years later something. It's coming out again I think. Oh yeah no I am making us dmed. Actually so if you've got the room to store these things I think now is the crucial point. Yeah it's good to have a really good collection of pots. What's at your disposal? The thing I love doing I know we don't have quite so many y'all sales here is you do but charity shops a brilliant. I'm so what else is going on on the La House plant seen any good house shops. Oh I mean they are everywhere everywhere. I go now as a as a house plant show. I mean the sell obviously is you know here online is is massive and then you know I I live very close to narco highland park and there's a lot of small Gordon shops opening up. And I think people you know as you noah just has become really really interested in houseplants and I think my hope is that I feel like you know how sponsor the star and the pulse of the co-stars But I think that people are coming becoming much more interested in the pots. Now also But I think here light like England show is just It's a real movements and people seem to really it's like you know everyone's stress too two and looking for a kind of a bit of a some way to unwind and I think plants kind of fills a hole somehow you know for people of You know kind of put the the you know. Just just relax a little bit and enjoy the plants completely. Well thank you very much for joining me. Hannah and I'm delighted that your ports are doing so well because they absolutely thanks so much and you'll find pictures of Hannah's pots in the show notes. Jane Perron Dot Com and do check out her website. H Four hundred DOT COM now. It's time for question of the week which comes from Comilla. He wanted help identifying. which type of variegated monster she has looking at the picture of Camilla's plant with a tall one? It's it's growing on most poach I'd say a good five foot tall but it's gone up another two or three feet above that so she's got a decently sized monster here and there is some variation on some of these. She sends me a separate photo of those variegated leaves. But the question is which variegated monster is it and I'm sure this has been a question that's been troubling many of you as you searched desperately for this plot at a non crippling price. Both plants are still very much rarities on the house plant market but they all becoming more available as grows rush to try to get more of these plants onto the market in other words. I wouldn't pay a massive amount now three either of these plots because does the price is inevitably going to come down. So the two cultivars of monster that you're likely to come across. There are a few other really really really super rare ones but the money. You're GonNa come across the Constellation which I've mentioned many times in the show because I have some or Albo Vera Ghardaia now. I'm going to give view my understanding of the differences between these two plants based on my personal knowledge of growing tigon relation and the research. I've done into elbow Verte Oughta if I've got anything wrong then please shots at me and tell me what you know about these plants because there is so much misinformation out there. But I'm going to do my best to tell you the differences between the two plants so ty consolation to start with I guess the real main distinction with this plant is that the variation the light parts of the leaves More of a creamy yellow colored than a pure white color. So you're getting splashes you're getting little stripes instructions some leaves turn out. Don't half green and half white but there's always this sort of splashy element I guess. That's why the name Constellation was chosen. So that's really one of the big distinguishing features between that and Albo the clues in the name. They're very Ghardaia which has white and green variegation. So that's the first thing until account for generally tie it's much more yellowy than with an Alberta second looking at Camilla's picture one thing. He's cleared the growth habit of Albo. Vera Ghardaia is a bit different to the Thai constellation. And I think that is because Albert Garda is the boss Z.. Jonah form of monster in other words. It's more of a vining plant than monster to the Thai consolation which has very very short into notes. So the space between the leaf joints or on Thai constellation is incredibly small. I've posted on instagram. About this. Before it makes it very hot car to take any cuttings because there is literally no room between the separate leaves joining the stem to do so whereas on Albert Gutter author. Because it's a boss Ciccio on type. The Internet is a much much bigger and therefore it's much much easier to take a stem cutting and propagate the plot which is why you're seeing so so. Many album is being cut up and put online with with a single node cutting. Because it's possible to do that with the stall growing style of the implant so that's a look at the Inter nodes would say if the Internet is really short and the variation is yellowy. That looks like it would be a tie. Constellation if the Inter no longer and it's more reviving style as opposed to a bushy style. Then it's probably Elbow Eric. Arta and Camilla I would say your plant is our very guard just looking at the style of it and the variation that's seems to be what you have so enjoy. Your plan is looking fantastic. It's going to hit the ceiling fairly soon. You may need to chop it back but maybe you could make some money out of those cuttings. Who knows thanks? You a question Camilla. And if you've got a question for on the ledge drop me a line on the Ledge podcast at g mail dot com for this week show if you're in the UK and within striking distance of London. He's a date for your diaries. All the at the future flora event. It's at the Ace Hotel in London on the twenty second of March. That's a Sunday is going to be lots of house. Plants sellers there delights to be perused and I will also be helping to judge the house plot of the year competition. I put details about in the show notes and also on my facebook page for on the ledge so check it out. It'll be a fun day and I'd love to meet some listen as back. Remember in winter. It's important to keep yourself well hydrated. Then you'll CACTI dry see next week by the music you heard in this episode was rolled your wrote by the joy drops fleet and drum rish cash by Samuel Corwin chief Spicer and enthusiast by tours licensed under creative creative Commons. See my website. Jane Perot Dot Com for details.
Episode 138: Aspidistra, aka the cast iron plant
"Hello and welcome to on the Ledge episode. The one three eight on this week. We're keeping the ASPE- district flying if you're a new listener my name is Jane Perron. I like house plants. I'm not ashamed of it. How the devil all you? I hope you are continuing to thrive and survive during this weird scenario of lockdown that we remain in. Your view are being eased out of lockdown. Right now all I can say is lucky you but you know what we've got our plants we've got our leaves to look at and that makes life okay in this episode. I Meet Philip. Ocean brink the national collection holder of two different species of Aspe- district the Victorian favourite. The we should all be growing. I'll answer question about woltring snake plants and we meet listener rose. Yes another listener. Called rose a different one from before. Thank you to everyone who has signed up to be a house plant buddy on the thread. The you'll find on the House plans on the Ledge facebook group. There are lots of people there who are looking for somebody to chat to about their plants. All you need to do to get involved is put a comment on that thread off. Perhaps if you see someone else he shares interests or perhaps geographical location with you then add replied to their comment and you can team up and have a chat it might be via facebook messenger email. Zoom it's really up to you but it's not too late to join in so if you're feeling a bit bored lonely or fed up during lockdown then. This is a great way off. Livening up your life if you are not on facebook and want to get involved. Don't worry you still can just send a note to on the ledge. Podcast gmail.com letting me and Kelly. My assistant know roughly. What your intuition and where you're at and we will add a comment on your behalf and it'd be really great to make sure that every body or as many people as possible a paired up with somebody else who wants to chat with them so do go and have a look at that threat if you haven't done already it don't be shy because you know what planned people are. Lovely people are pulling to that in the show notes. Of course so you can click through easily enough and find it. If on the other hand you'd like to tell the whole listenership of on the ledge about who you are then meet. The listener is for you. You can drop a line to the same email on the ledge podcast gmail.com and Kelly will send you some instructions on how to take part and that's exactly what rose did. Let's hear from her now. Hi I'm rose. From The Netherlands. I was really raised with plants and animals but I. I really got into plants myself when I had a burnout a few years ago. And one of the things that really gave me some solace Feeling of accomplishment and usefulness was taking care of my plan babies since then I started making youtube videos about plans and about the amazing plans in my area. I live right in the center of all the greenhouses here in Holland which is really really fund and I listen to podcasts and instagram. I'm full of plenty learning. I love it. I still feel like I am plant beginner. But I'm learning so much from Eugene so thank you so much for all the cool episodes question one. There's a fun and all your plans are about to burn you. Grab as you escape. I guess I'd have to Casper my Florida ghost. He's such an easy grower and he's beautiful and all my other plans. I love as well but Casper has a special place in my heart. I want him in an Instagram giveaway. Right in the beginning of my plant a-rod adventure and he's just beautiful with the white leaves and Pink Patios. I love him question to. What is your favorite episode of allege? My favorite episode of on the Ledge is episode sixty one. Even though I love a lot of the episode and I've learned a lot about them but sixty one is the one about Roy lights with Lesbian. Relic. I've listened to it several times actually and I've bought some little measurement tools from it and I'm really understanding a lot better. Why certain plans are doing well in my house and why others were not doing well and now finally improving. Because they're getting more light so thanks so much to Leslie. I love her even bought her book after listening to that episode question three which Latin name. Do you say to impress people? The letter name that I like to say is actually L. Acacia Michalik Tiana. Frydek because here at least in Holland a lot of people are calling the Green version. Frydek when in fact the green version of that plant is the Michael Donna and the variegated version. Is the Michalik Sienna Friday? So I might be a little bit annoying to people with that but I like to be correct in my of let so. I like to use that one question fool crush acid metabolism who got a crash chelation acid metabolism to google dot. What actually before answering this question. I'm choosing go tation because I love. I have basically only arrowheads in my house and I found out that crash ablation as metabolism is more four seconds and CACTI which. I'm not very good at taking care of so definitely picking Guitar Question Five. Would you rather spend two hundred pounds on a variegated monster? All Two hundred pounds on twenty interesting CACTI. Even though this is not a popular opinion I would pick them months Tara. Because I don't like CACTI I cannot keep them alive and I'd prefer to have a really really big beautiful on Sarah. I have several cuttings. That are doing quite well but not great. So it'd be really cool to have a really big one especially now that they're becoming a little bit more affordable here in Holland would definitely be able to buy a huge one for this money so old. I love the fact that the Florida ghost is called. Casper foot inspired choice of nine. Thank you rose. Nice to meet you and welcome to new patriarch subscribers. Gm Leong Disease Sarah and Kaley who all became legends this week and thanks to Andy who opt his pledge from crazy plant person to legend. Check the show notes. Are Jane Perron Dot Com for details of how to join the Merry Band of Patriots subscribers? And if that isn't your bag than you can give a one. After nation via code DASH FIVE DOT COM or pay pal. Those links are also in the show notes. Leave me a review on your part APP of Choice. Or maybe just tell a friend about on the ledge shoes in need of some lockdown listening out of you interesting emails in response to Midweek Bonus number five the question about shopping at big box stores which are wanted to share with you. One of the messages came from a listener who works at one of the platforms. That supplies the big box stores all of America and this person. He wants to remain anonymous for perfectly understandable reasons said that the amount of plastics chemicals implants. The disposed of would make your stomach turn. Sometimes we throw out tons of perfect plot simply because the company changes. Its mind their message. Is this please use social media to create a socially distance plant swap? Then you would have friends to Swat within person later. So thank you to that anonymous listener. Who got in touch? It's interesting to hear how much wastage there is in this industry of Mass House. Plant production and something. I'm hoping to come back to in a future. Sustainability episode and another listener. Got In touch to say that some of the big box stores do have people who are in charge of the plants but they usually rushed off their feet and unable to keep up the demand for care for these plants. I'm sure that's correct for some of them. I know that in the UK places like Wilkinson's which I guess would you call that a big bookstore? I'm not sure but it's a store that sells all kinds of things including plants and gardening equipment and I know that there well certainly in my local branch and many other branches that I've heard reports from there is nobody to look after the plants so it really does vary so do your research if he can. And as I said before. Let's keep supporting. Our specialist grows because they wanted to longtime listeners to the show will know that. I am a big fan of the sped district so I was delighted when Philip Ocean Brink. Who is the national collection holder for aspirin stor loss your and Aspe- district's issue on insists cultivars in the UK? He's also head Gardener at Canterbury Cathedral. So He's a very busy man. I was lucky enough to be able to visit his place in Kent and check out his asper district election. Oh and meet marvel the cap to makes a bit of an appearance in this episode was recorded before the lockdown back in early March. So we weren't breaking any rules. And of course for the Moment Phillips National Collection remains closed to visitors but hopefully sometime in the future he will again be able to provide tours of his collection on request and by arrangement at our. Put a link in the show notes to the details for getting in touch with Philip. You can find Philip on twitter as Philip with one out. Hd C. C. And all include all of the relevant links in the show notes if you're short of a pen as always this episode comes with a health warning or rather a wallet warning that. I am totally not responsible for causing you to add to your plant wish-list via listening to this show. I'm afraid is one of the perils of on the ledge. Right are you ready to go down and Aspe- district rabbit hole? Let's go VILLAROSA. We're here in your front room with a array of aspirin districts around us. What could be better as league radio listeners? Smart show will testify. Always go and buttons benchers and how they're underrated and we should all be growing more from so. I think you're on the same page with me on this. Tell me about your collection and how this all started. Well of course the national collection of story last year and also situation answers of got a huge collection. Anyway because uncle load are the ones that aren't within my actual collection but it started with one plant in a greenhouse in one of the Coltrane's exile. So there was just a green one in the deanery where I work. And they have They had a very one which I thought was very unusual and then started looking into more and see what other these were discovered died. Eight hundred and seventy five species those. Yeah that's why getting interested so you'll national collection. How many different. There's a term for it isn't it? There's a long heritage term. Is it the east. Unitive attacks attacks a yeah. How many of you go within my analogy collection of got twenty. Two situations is awkward. Sixteen outside the collection. I think I've got about sixty different expertise stores so that's a fair number. Favorites are always I can he. Oh catnip probably a good munch on his breakfast. My which is probably good. Because I'm allergic to cats. So yeah but that's making me out so it's all going on here. It's like name your favorite child but is there one res your favorite. I mean. I'm looking at this beautiful there. Beatty form up here which is kind of almost half. I mean this isn't very instagram. Where the plot isn't it's got half white. Half Green leaves is not a favor or it might just imposing my interest. It is a very rare equinox so it is half green have widely. It's very difficult to get. But he's also very difficult to keep so he said it's he's not really my face reverts. It's not a very stable. Gone through these are just the two is how body from the nursery. Got So many that this one. Good Morning Frost races which is under the economic one and it comes up green with tiny yellow stripe but as the lead chores. It's gets his mottled widen wiser and wiser and I do like the ones that sort of change color of some of the largest come up in a certain green. Maybe we'll then fade to to white stripe your odd couple. And I've been disappointed. My expectation was to something like that. I mean obviously they were particular cultivar but I was hoping for dramatic variation and so far they haven't shown much variation. I'm wondering if I'm not giving them enough light or if because I kind of have down the classic Avedis sting of seeking them in the dark is of my house because they'll be okay then mistake particularly could do with a bit more likely to get a very Gatien. They're not sold as very guard. Often is very unstable so you can get very crowded leaves with one year. You might get one. That is more green than whites. Are The as you get loads of watching the leaves so you always get the same but yet giving them a bit more lighthouse? I find especially with the various ones. Keep them outside during summer. If you can detention radi bulk up and get my big comes. Ma Wove cats though that. I'm allergic to my sweat. Going really do what behind us. I'm just GONNA blame my nose because as ever go to cold. I swear it's soccer in bars. It's just a folk standard code. We got the overcast so I always know out there noise. I WANNA be on postcards please behind you you got the wonderful variegated for which is got splash is a cream. Leaves like a constellation. What's that one call? This one was allowed the lenses that one. What's spots all over the leaf and a lot of Spock's well he's one I got from America Actually Nas August heritage bursary and went to college nursery. Which is like the Aspe- district Halloween Lights? Westbound this North Carolina. Okay that's Great. Message loads of other things as well huge clicks and this was one that they have named. Walk Dr Ward Go. I'd like to Star Trek. I can see that believe me and how does it work back from the states? Is that you just? How tricky tricky. If you've just need to find a sanitary suggest you could still bring them back in my suitcase. With the Frog December declaration managed to do that within the week I was I would rate a good nowadays. You call it anymore. You have to have them properly sending after go through a be checked and everything but yet lost you. You were still allowed to bring me in your suitcase with a declaration of course Walk Drive. And why is it? That Aspe- districts are more popular. Is it because they slow growing in there just when you do see them for quite expensive steel competitive say up spattered film of a similar size? You pay a lot more snow growing and most house laundry. I think that he's one of the reasons that they also growing. This sort of testing micro propagate as well so that might push the price down looking into that actually some of my plants To be tested today are stayed. No microprobe yes. That would be Microprobe can you explain what you mean? It's tissue cultures so you get so few sales from the towns and from those sales you make more clouds and you can get caught a few thousands out. If not many cells. A quick way to problem is not plans responded very well soon you can sometimes do micro but they might not be identical to the multiplier. You have so yeah that might have. It's funny though because if you Read any book from the eighteen hundreds to even the latest brexit every single. One says that they're coming back into action films. That must come in. Always interesting isn't it? I'm looking out photos of Victorian ladies with their Aspe- districts are just. I think that's a pretty thing to to the back. Odin and I need somebody to help. Plop which has been around. He documents to have been around for over one hundred years so once. You've got one even if it's expensive. Hopefully we'll loss for the Larsen. Harvey Kill Them Really. It's over. Watering is one of those things you need careful rally even a bit drier then to wet because they will just raw away and sometimes people get off by the ground tips on the league's with that it. Yeah he just needs to miss them all. Keep them in a high area and they'll be right there. Yes that's one of things with my answer districts so far they've been find that kind of insects. They haven't really been growing that much so obviously there are slow growing but was the best web getting them to put out needs any. Just maybe give them a bit more light than you might imagine. People also a live feed overfeed them with anything like once a year. Eighty detectives start growing their leaves around January February. So that's a but again On preparing for him to call our show for next year with a display. And the plants. I've kept outside in apology town. Luckily to shade tunnel they just shut up and they don't so lousy boy this be if you've got one anything struggling bid if you have a shady plays outside just leave it there for the summer and outside although you could with with very holiday would tends to them a bit of a boost to hold a day. That's a homemade does good. What about putting makes these plants a Fussy? Just regular Haussmann postal. Should we be adding all kinds of extras than fuzzy wall? Personally I use coconut Koi. After the economy which is free of the don't read Anita peak impossible and I'll give them a bit of successful tomorrow night. Something just to give them a bit of fade. Because Jeff was the the composite only medium. So you can add any fee to that. You grow a few months yeah. The Dessau Growth mcclendon area conflict. You don't want anything so sandy or anything to dance because they just won't lock air routes because otherwise they'll just Ross right okay. Well that is all top tips and not be able to get mine and a bit growing a little bit. Better cultivars is still haven't gotten your question that you seeking after you know stranger who visit the globe there any other ones. I mean other white and green is it's pretty outstanding. Is there anything else that's out? There still green was actually wanted was looking for and nab managed to get generally not really now. I think I've got most was documented. What I would like to do though is if I can get to Japan and see what kind of old cultivars have if there's anything around there there's one called amount of Gaba. Apparently the the original amount of Gaba has spot series one being sold at the moment we chest stripes and spots it's called amount of however Turns out that there is another one which is different so audrey to go to Japan and see what kind of old they have their Oso compared to see these English cultivar names are the actually the original cultivar. Nature is just something that's been food on through the trade as is so often the case. I'm B- Fox's phone each pulse but they do flower they do. Tell me about flowers. Because they're slightly strange Avatar. The at the base of they they stoller shape for purplish yellow in there as well but some of the other species Lexington as a much dogs these dock flowers but the flour actually determines to specie so if you just have to Ezra distress just with leaves you can't generally tell which species it is but you need to determine the specie. So what does a stigma look like? There is this myth which he can't get rid of that they are pollinated by slogs. But it's just simply not true. Remember my friend Robby Blackwell talking about this and say under is am I? I'm in my mind remembering that he was talking about. Fungus GNATS slide smooth flies off to lock mushroom. Basically right next Konate. If you open up against the you sometimes have to flour and a half and then you can release. Tell the sludge. Never pollinate them because they'd have to eat through the statement to get through to deploy said. Oh how interesting I mean. I guess probably won't be going just for the quality of Fausto curious extra do they review? Hello Allston can you expect to get the flower of year? Retests into flour on transit in reasonably speech. Split or have got stays in. The Pot is quite often. Hear people say of these aspects which has been family for a million years. It's never flowered. These caught off because they are so down. I think that is one of the reasons they don't so then quite often when clones of course they have reasonably part of the APP or something and they flour and especially the house can be quite big view the diameter of a ten P coins. Let's let's got things from has being returning and So do you ever go to an elderly ill? I was looking at people's window through people's windows. You walking around. Do you ever come spots of through a window? Go Oh my gosh. That's really suddenly seeing us for districts on expected setting. I find often like country. National Trust Properties will see expedition Stra. I find myself being even asked this. I'm sure that's the same for you. Yeah especially the variegated ones is to have a big variegated astronaut as nice as well and you don't often see them that often see the the normal green one of these in size but the variegated ones take longer of course as well and look after them for years for them to bulk up. Yeah yeah now. That star is yes always looking out for interesting things and Yuccas over photo archive of weird plants in saying. He hopes wants to can't with the national district. You also have national collection of Victorian posing with Aspe- district but people saving photographs laid plant heritage sent me a picture from Venice which was standing next to expedition style. Nice people do have these affinity with Astra district off the own. My grandmother used to have just being one of those people have seen before. Yeah that's what I enjoy about it as well. It's from the being beautiful. He's also the history about them. And how the Victorians after grow them and that also attracts me. Do you have people coming to visit the National Collection? Do you have did can you have? Can you consult made an appointment with the Gaspar districts that were heritage in national elections? You don't have to open up for the public with cough. Wants to show you clowns as well. One thing I'm doing with these when I opened my garden for the National Gardens Scheme I have my selection on this plane the living room but if he wants to come and see my national collection and they can find Monday evening on the heritage websites and the address and details and just give me raping grains all linked to that in the show notes. Shall we go have a look at some greenhouse plots allocation? Wonder I'M GONNA pick up this recorder. And let's have a look. What are your neighbors? Think probably like these has. Oh Yeah you you've been home. Yeah that's right. Yeah you know what? Tell us in because their front gardens jungle. Yeah just a lot of garage. Yeah this is interesting. This often recognize not shoot appendix Scott. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Nice initial fiction UNICEF him. Yeah I'M GONNA go into the the. It's a small space but Eagle of Aspirin districts in here. Yeah just GonNa Sniff that greenhouse smell lovely love greenhouse smell. So we've got loads more here. Manian here because Spider mite problem. Come and do something against buying the mind you out the humidity and predators on it as well. Yeah So yeah that's why he Humidity in the greenhouses quite highly. Especially with all the rain. We've had this really nice old cultivars in here and some back from America as well in this or some of the situation ends is mainly. Yeah Yeah Nice. Yes arrogation on this one. So that is What I mentioned for the what is sold as amount of God's got stripes and spots and amount of garlic is the Japanese name for Milky Way and quite often if you see a spot aspe- district for sale scarred often labelled as Milky Way is not really the correct anymore if they've named Jin general over the original Milky Way. Is this one here. So it's got the stripes in the spots and Kerry Gatien on there and it's on really trying to bulk it up a bit but it's very slow growing the white screen time you've got the splashes of of cream and cream stripes that's not of chlorophyll knows it to shoot been green. Yeah do you have. Do you ever have any aspects as in the ground like over if you have the plane green. Allot your could that be the ground? In any of the Latino recipient lenses and quantity of the other ones can can just go in grounded. Very Hollandi an alert era in sinensis species are hardy to minus fifteen minus twenty. But I've got another one code one fat lady I'll to minus twenty five so very home. Anything is it. Don't like it wet so I tend to Croon them. Maybe as ground cover under reports yet to try to give him that drained and so they don't rockaway. Yeah they're doing really well. You can just leave that sign warmly dogs spider. Mite probably is the major pests. Have any secret top tips other than increasing humidity Well what do I spray with? Espy invigorating the wonderful. Yes I don't want to any chemicals on it really. So it's so ganic or bite article control through These sachets hanging on the. I wanted to ask you about the Sushi. So this is a biological control. Is it a? Is it another might that? Yeah it is. Another Predator presided said. Eats the spider Mites. And this is one that you can put in lower temperatures as well. Yeah it does Should do the trick at least knock down a bit and hopefully eventually will get over it and I mean how does that work could use in the house as well as outside about them kind of wondering and not being in the right place no no they. They will stick to the to the plant radio. Banda food is of course. They won't go often go somewhere there. No SPIDER MITES. This particular one is one that Also leaves off pollen to having gone spider. My than at least they can't survive on as well. Pam. But it's a good one and Yeah you can't use them indoors. It's not like you have loads of bugs and suddenly the the tiny. They're about the size of a normal spider. Mite even so yeah. It's not worse than have expanded so those much once. They've done the job in the spider mites gone. They will die off because there isn't anything for them to eat. Unless you've gone pollens then they will continue. But yes. You have another manifestation. You probably have to repeat treatment. Yeah Oh it's great to be able to use these non chemical methods to control things. It's it's definitely worth looking into and people sort of. Do you find that other people are getting really into these rare and unusual expert districts and cotton swap trying to swap things with you and I mean is there? Is there market for these very rare ones in the market for the variegated monster? And I'm actually running an expedition European group on On facebook mainly set it up to be European because then you can shop around on as well but there are. Some very popular ones is one Which is in the trade as chromatic graphic which is actually called in Bauchi? I've got one indoors but it's got spots this aura around the spot as well and Yeah they sell nine-centimeter pox from forty to fifty pounds his shoulder after those again. It's the provocation. How do how is it just division? These ones where you're going to be it's just division and it's quite easy you just taken out of the You can clearly see the rise and if you find a bit that's got to beat a fruit only this well snap that off and just it's very easy. I've done it any via even do the middle of summer if Yeah and I guess the more you do that the small your original plan. It's not going to be a massively. GonNa end up with lows can you? Can you watch the seed situation though I mean? Can you ever get asprey district? I've never seen US they. They tend to Only produce seed when they're out in the ground When I was in the US they did have some seedlings there as well but yet in this country it just happened on set seed. Because we're just doing our annual so long on the podcast where we're talking discussing Growing House plus from seats and everything in terms of who couldn't you grow that from seed I? It's just interesting. What plants can and can be. You know you can get to eat or you can't get to see too. That's just an interesting okay. Yeah that's fair enough unusual. Well I guess that's why again another reason why it's you know if you could see then you'd be producing loads of plants and the price might be shape the knots Stay with from seed either. You'll get right which could be good in a way on the other hand you. How many do we need that? Just got this tiny little different strokes. Yeah I can see what you're saying Jones this one here which is intelligent mantle variation. This is beautiful verification with this sort of different levels of minty green stripes and cream. What's that one called man gets too? And that is one of the very old Japanese original county and It comes up. This is one of those. It changes color. So it comes up with these fight green leaves and then eventually the white will fade and they can fe to almost completely sorted green will fade and it will face almost completely white and it's got some spots as well but yeah that's a very old Japanese call divine. Those are the ones that I'm really looking forward to get original Japanese selections because that's where they They grew them so much. That's why they did. All those selections another Japanese Still Aspe- district crazy. They're still into them. One Lady spoke to. Who's Japanese said? Sir It's called this a toilet plants because they have a lot of outdoor toilets in the older buildings and if you'd always next to the toilet okay. I guess I guess that's true. Good collectors there. Well Nice to see your national collection and Yeah a long way the Aspirin district rain. It's going it's going to be around for forever so she's coming as it has been for the last however many years. Thank you so much to fill it for showing off his awesome collection of Aspe- districts. And now it's time for question of the week which comes from Cape Cod Causa on instagram. Great Scrim handled. It and Kate caught as I'll call them for short as a total of new to house plants and they've got a sense of various. Annika in a six inch wide by four inch deep pot and can't rights. I know they're need water about biweekly even that but I don't know how much they need at a time help. What a great question because I think this is one of the misconceptions about watering their eakin. Look at a plot and say okay. I'm going to give it a mug full of water every week on the same day at the same time and that way it will stay nice and hydrated but what. It's easy to forget when you're beginning. Is that the amount of water. The plant needs will change according to the conditions plants up to and of course what potting mix you put it into so this sounds various. Which is the plane green mottled form of the snake plant the genus has actually changed to your Sina Zelenika. But I'm not sure I can quite cope with that yet. It's a lovely plant. Dow's need regular watering during the growing season as Kate. Cod has pointed out. But how do you know how much to give it? Well the one way to make sure that Joe never over watering plant and this method also means that it doesn't really matter how much you water is to take the plant out of its parts of in and out of cash pot so it's just in its part with drainage holes and either put it in the sink and run load of water through that part until its well drained and all of the composites had a chance to get moist or place it in a container of water to soak up as much water as it candid about an hour and then allow it to drink by doing either of these methods. You'll letting the plant choose. How much water needs rather than dictating? Oh yes it needs a mug because inevitably you'll get that slutty wrong and if you don't remove any excess water from the bottom of the pot then routes rocked a hoy as you might say so I would recommend taking this plant out of its environment and sticking it in the sink and doing the watering once a week that way it's much better to water thoroughly and so that the compost is allowed to get wet and then to draw out the dribbling on a bit of water every now and again part of the reason for that is if you do that then the plot start to think that water is only available near the surface will grow a lot of roots near the surface which is not what you want. Want a nice ball much lower down in the port. And if you're not sure if you plant needs watering in the first place go ahead and stick your finger right in there right up to the end of your finger depending on the size of the pot and see what the potting mix doing around the root ball if it's completely dry then yes all need water. If it's still pretty damp at that level as opposed to being dry at the surface but still moist right in. The root ball than watering is required. I remember we'd send barrier in the winter this plant can be much much drier and you might be watering this once a month or so. So watching practices are really vital to get right with plants like these but it also makes a difference on the pausing mix so if you bought one of these the sharp estate plan that you just recently born is probably planted in something which is much more absorbent than I'd recommend so if you have got a freshly ball state plant just be really cautious on the watering and make sure that the plant is allowed to dry out thirty before water again then a good soak then dry. That's the kind of seesaw that these plants prefer. And once you get it potted up into something a little bit more free draining. Then you can be a bit more generous with the water because you sorted out the drainage issue so I hope that Makes Sense Cape Cod. And if you've got a question for alleged drop me a line on the ledge podcast. Gmo DOT COM. That's all for this week. Show if you're a Patriot subscribing they'll be an extra with Philip going up in the next few days until next Friday. Then keep the Aspe- district flying by the music you heard in this episode was Road Jordan road by the jaw drops and instrument. The boy called happy they get connor. By Samuel Cohen the tracks chiefs and Endesa both by ges tracks a license under creative Commons. See The show notes. Jane Dot Com for details.
Episode 117: Euphorbias and other succulents
"The hello and welcome to on the Ledge. podcast bringing you satiny to your bedroom and cats audio kitchen since twenty seventeen on Jiang Perron your host. Yes this is how I sound. This is not it. Just how I'll to the fund. I'm bringing you this week. An episode on the wonderful world of succulents that come from South Africa and automatic ASCA to find out why you need to be careful with that. You Phobia Sap why this phone plants look different in the wild and why growing your succulent in. Thomas may be the answer to all those Os watering issues. We visit the greenhouse of Bob Potter Treasurer Treasurer of the International Year for society. And a very very fine succulent collector. Also be answering a listener question about how to to make a climbing plant make friends with most poll and also be airing the second of our meet the listener interviews with lovely listener. Bobby thanks next one you patriots subscribers this week that's coach. 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So thank you for pointing that out in your review review. If you want to leave a review on the ledge ought be ecstatic for you to do so. Every time I see a new review gives me a little bit of a shot in the arm and helps helps me get through those long editing sessions and it also helps other people find the show. So thank you to all of you who've left reviews in the past and if he this is spurring burn you onto thinking about leaving your review then good glance here I I met Bob Potter at cactus world. Live which you remember took place in the late summer and I did a slide show from that was great. Fun and Bob was manning the stool all of the International Year for society as well as selling implants so I bought a couple of blocks of him and invite myself to his greenhouse as one one does when one is the host of House floor. PODCAST BOB founded and ran the nursery to B.'s. Exotics for thirty five years before retiring from the trade in two thousand sixteen but he still very much has an interest in these plants and he's the treasurer of the International Euphoria Society and has a very very impressive greenhouse full of succulents behind his home in Woking Surrey which is a few miles south west of London if your British geography is unlv sketchy. I've visited a couple of weeks ago. Bob was so kind to give me a wonderful tour of his plots. Talk about his obsession with these succulents and yes he did give me a few plots cautious. I love my job. I'm so lucky so as I always say to check out the show notes Jane Perron Dot Com as you listen for pictures and details of the plants. We're talking about and you can also find details there about the International Euphoria Society because you are so popular now and many of the things things that we call CACTI are achieve four years so it's definitely a genus of plants. That's on the up and I felt really lucky to spend an hour or so pottering living with potter Converted around a wonderland of Spiny nece. What does your collection focus on? Well basically most most of the collection is based on succulent plants. You know most people will be see for me. With the term CACTI and succulents. There are few CACTUS plants here but the majority of plants like succulents and basically A game I suppose specifically it comprises a lot of South Africa Madagascar and plant material and Madagascan plant materials. It's been one of my passions for many years now so I'm very much into those sort of lunch. So what is it about the gap Madagascan climate that makes it produce plants like we see in front of us. Some of them we lost core DISA- forms spineless was I've never considered what the climate Oh ecosystems liking gasco or you got to realize the Madagascar's fourth largest on in the world it's over thousand miles long so I mean there is a climatic occur difference between the north and the south and from east to west even in terms of rainfall and stuff like that but generally speaking. So you've got to consider the place to be quite old and due to its location. So I mean in terms of keeping clouds from Madagascar I always tend to keep them on the warmer side. Now I suppose the absolute minimum temperature the I would really want to take my Madagascans stuff down to ten degrees C but In this greenhouse that say in here at the moment we're sort of keeping about sixteen seventeen degrees and I think that's probably a better y of actually keeping these plants alive over winter period because that Jen referred us the worst time of the year to keep these plans going. And how did you get into this particular branch of CACTI succulent world. It started for me very very early age my grandfather. We live with my grandfather when my mother and father were married and had to live with my grandfather and grandmother. 'cause they couldn't afford the time I was brought up with. My grandfather was one of these great amateur gardeners and he had a small greenhouse in his garden. anti gruel sorts of stuff in the greenhouse but did have a few CACTUS plants in there and I remember an. I've got pitches from a very early age of thirsty. Pretty sort of standard in nappies opening in his greenhouse with his plants and he then produced Shaima series. Two vestry peanut CACTUS is commonly known. You don't actually see dealer on. That's very true. It used to be one of the long gone but I mean this thing used to flower so prolifically every year. It used to unsticking in front of the phone in the living room and make all these flowers open and always obviously really taken this very young age and I was so taken the CACTUS plants. They sort of made me guardian of the CACTUS plants and early so you could probably say from about three four years old been sort of brought up with cactus plants and then it was a natural progression from there. I think to sort of Cactus succulents and then dropping the cactus to a degree and then sort of concentrating Detroit on the phones. We go wonderful collection here. There's lots of things that are drawing my eye. Let's just have a look at some of these DISA- form plants First of all. Because I know lots of listeners are really inter- some of these DISA- forms. This big ones here. What was your favorite of these of these Codex? Is We say say. Well I mean I do quite like for example these this sort of Boba thing here this is medication client. That's zero cease. This is their associates Besson's and so you get this sort of flow. Most rounded boasts though shaped plant it it does tend to join quite a bit and it can get sort of a little bit out of hand so tend to treat down huge sort of a quite might not quite for a flattened football decides about yes and I mean similarly hats Madagascar that one similar you could assume looking thing like the Fox. Faquir ageless from South Africa. But of course what you could consider is in their natural habitat. Most of this plot is buried underground. You don't next science courtesy form clung or the Codex as each is usually underground and I mean as sort of happiest so growl browse the cops. We tend to raise these material about grants to sort of enhance. You like but if you look at some of the smallest stuff for example if you come across over here where I got some smaller clubs berry out. PECCI podiums smolder Pekka packet podium privy. Coli I mean they can get quite launching right but Very slow growing here tend to be from seed but some of the smaller Cordischi Forbes. I actually do berry right up to their neck. Uh is more akin to the way live in actual inform its lobby the way you've got these bedded out here because oftentimes we don't see how plants would look in the world. We see them imports. But it's lovely to see things kind of displayed as they would be as you might see them in the world and and I know you put everything into pumice that really. Can you tell me a bit about about pumice why that well I think this is a this is always a bone of contention launch. Actually What do you mean people often cite? What are you grow your stuff in? What are you grow your plants in? Well I think it's horses for courses for a lot of a lot of instances distances to people because I mean I would probably be fair to sign over the years. I've tried every combination. There is and how do you speak. Base composites abused Giannini's compost abuse grit gravel united. Anything I've mixed in with compost trying to get a free draining aspect. The most people tend to say the would these clowns but then recently I've just partied everything Grow into this sort of pumice material and it has Vermont point of view seven dollar. Jeez it is free draining When you walked for it any excess water will run completely out button or grind through into the bottom of the bed and you can? Actually you see when it dries out as well quite easily. You know it will. It will turn a dark academy sweater. And it will come back Liza. Gotcha so you came from my point of view actually control the the moisture content of your party material. They did a bit better. The other thing I think is that it tends to promote a better root growth system and and if you WANNA repub plow material as well if you want to Chip Avenue Paul of Palm issue can just knock at shake the pumice away and then you. You're certain kinds of material. Sometimes game with vice compost and things like that so I've gone over to that completely you and I think a lot of the hobbyist in the CACTUS and succulent mode are actually going to as well. Because I've sold according to this stuff too many members of the society over the years. I think it's become more and more interesting and do you does that affect in terms of feeding. Does that affect your defeating in the nutrients naturally on the promise. That is is one of the drawbacks. If you like that you do have to feed a lot more than you would under normal circumstances stances and I suppose it depends on your conditions in the glass. Ask because I mean this is another thing. People will have jewelry applause. Well I can't I can't tell you you know you've got to sort of see what happens in your own greenhouse because the greenhouse that were stained in hint in here at the moment though it's sizes another glass as I have the other glass as a lot higher and you would be quite surprised how different the climatic condition his in between the two greenhouses. So there's no hard and fast rules but yes I mean I would probably think he'd I would say every second watering maybe not in full strength of what you're going to be using but maybe half strength the'd and every Torma Boudreau us every two hours. Yeah okay well. It's it's great to see this collection. UNST see the plants in in that situation as opposed to although I do love the pots the pots to and on the other side. You've got this wonderful display more more performs more interesting spiny you think so. Tell me about some of your favorites from this side. Yes of course. There is quite a few clouds in here as well and I think look along this line here I mean you know we are actually difficult time of the yearbook another difficult time but the time of the year when most of these plants wanted to go don't don't so there's GonNa be a lot of leaf dropping out of these times so they never looked their best In the middle of November but one that is still retain quite a pick sleep. Is this one for example. You already Oreo Variety Florida from way up on the top end of Madagascar and I mean it just looks like a little miniature tree so to me. It's a fascinating complained full of leaf. As you can see at the moment they will drop off eventually and and some of the other plants if you go along a bit further here you got to pack. You Podium Pacu podium dent you floor amount of Madagascar. I mean it's just got this lovely fact with these sort of protruding arms coming off guy and you could see the leaves and started to drop perfectly natural this time of the year with Dorsey and the U.. Phobias are really I guess becoming more and more popular in the stock yet. What I suppose you for being really Is One of those ones. That is very well certainly again. I'm going back to my pass but was extremely popular point. Wasn't it still interested as yesterday. You basically they'd been advertised death over the years by the Dutch. I was looking into. It's about one point because somebody was asking me for an ideal something and I said I'm I can't tell you anymore because there's so many different hybrids plump when he was not the case is it because it's easy easy to that point is very free flowering. Of course right. I mean if you go back to sort of what if you go back to the source for example you August Linden's which is the the crown of thorns which everybody knows about a guy that's the plant you don't actually see in its entirety of this It very much at this time but the million types is a site had been very much. Harbor does night with Harvard. Or the actual dines natural fact Robert is the middle with all sorts of larger flower thobias only on a and they produce you can often see them in In Garden centers the media Type Bushy taught plant with much much larger flowers very popular. I mean like all sorts of colors coming on them as well now so I think it was a natural thing the million types actually too well very Wilson Task Cau. Yes exactly. Yeah I guess that's one I didn't have any any of those at the moment. They they have had them in the past and they've been one four hospitals and lots of colors. I can see why they're popular but I can also see detraction of these slot. Shall we say exclusive vobis. The I mean some of these must be quite old because they're enormous these collection for for a long time. Yes they you know the fascination for me with you Thobias I mean you will be icees. Probably be one of the larger one of the largest cone families but breath if you take the species generally and you can get plaud- from very tiny physics sort of underground chu is very reversed. Smoke Jumpers maybe five centimeters to three centimeters even though Amitai then you going up to large trees you sort of maybe ten meters so this debris engine of growth notes amongst youth obesity and the next radio I think for me one of the fascinations. I'd love the sort of small Cheer Fifty Times which is quite easily sodium around looking into the bait that we got canal You know there's lots of them. Sort of very small codex is basically most of it buried it underground but then if you look around and the other side I mean we haven't got anything monstrous initially s because but you've you're talking to now. Yeah now about your thoughts sort of get it up into sort of bushy shrub types up to sort of maybe three four five feet high look in the better the back goes and lobby. Yes soldiers up there with yeah sort of more columnist types this lovely monetary union for example. Now No it's not. You thought your species although I do including these days of Mr me frankly I don't go along with it. That's another story. Automate is today. Yes this is a beautiful thing teams out of Tanzania. It's just looking fantastic in Europe the the DIFFICU- next door to it. I mean that's a west African plant. They tend to be a little bit more difficult to grab the west African sort of stuff. But you know that's really looking now so you know you can a mode of growth like this almost almost getting into tree light proportions. Ocean's uncompetitive sort of very tony. Tony Hundred Grand Shoe. Tell me about this thing. In this Ponti Corner Bedhead the joint leaves. That is quite something. Yes scientists Emma Soccer Stadium. Yeah they do they get checkoint. Big Some of the Labor Union. This one is amazing. How well these things to win that plunges? Just turn around and look at one in apart. Oh yeah okay coming down substantial pound but of course it's been restricted and that one over in the bait was probably put in a year ago that sort of size so you can see the difference in the leaf growth. That it's Bait Gray. Green leaves probably not Rupaul. Shake their lease rubab. Sign very impressive. We'll buys drop off eventually that that one's on the potty one yes they're ready to come away so yes they will come and start up again and we'll be back to the succulent soon. But now we go from Bob to bobby for a second meet the listener slot taken away way. Bobby Hi everyone. I'm bobby from London. My Passion houseplants really started in about two thousand with actress. Gaping and aquatic clotting. But over the years that's really increased to include lots of different groups of house plants in particular Taylor Power Royds and Begonias so much so that I started the UK facebook group our adoration which helps uk our lavish information emit connections and even swap and sell plants. Question One. There's a fun and all your nope loans are about to burn. We want to grab as you escape Jane that such I mean question I think I have well over one hundred house plants. Some of them would be so difficult to find because they're quite rare others have resulted in really good friendships over the years and I think each of them has their own little story to tell. I think I'm I would perish in my own indecision question into what is your favorite episode of Lynch if I allowed to pick to The birth to double episodes the first one on the as the visit James. Wong's flat he to me he's such An influence on his inspiring particularly his work quit aquatic planting and restaurant house plants. I love the way that he merges the two together And creates a beautiful aesthetic. The second one is the conversation with Peter Tomato and carnivorous plants. I Love Plants of course few myself and it's so interesting to learn pal that evolution and how difficult they it can be too careful so particularly loved listening to those two episodes. Strictly speaking bobby hashing four sows. But this you l.. Let it go question. Three which Latin name do you say to impress people. I'm going to preface this by saying that if you're into arrowheads and the golden years it's such diverse groups clubs with so many species that some of them just have common names at all so you kind of have to use scientific names but the one and I would say would be filed engine versus Shiite oriented even pronounce all will fade ary on purely because it's bay. It's named after Darth vader question. Fooled Chris chelation acid metabolism okay. This is an easy one. Since I'm really into my Arrow it's has to be cut Asian. I remember getting my best Caucasia and coming down in the morning and discovering little pools of water thinking what the Hell is this. After a little bit of research online I I discovered it was when the plant exudes water from the end of its leaves and thinking. Wow that's really cool but not one if you carpets question five would you rather spend two hundred pounds on variegated monster all two hundred pounds on twenty interesting Cacti you can probably guess I would take the variegated Mancera over twenty CACTI. Nah It don't love and respect CACTI Clint's but I'm also guilty as I have a very of months terror so I would always spend that two hundred pounds on a very gated. Thanks to bobby for taking parts in me the listener and each fancy hearing your voice on the Ledge then do trump be aligned to on the Ledge podcast at g mail DOT COM. It's open to all and now back to my chat with Bob Potter of the International Society. Wet I find out things. Not to din with euphoria. What are the sort of health and safety with his? We've got the SAP and also the spines. Obviously it's it's fairly straightforward isn't it don't don't get yourself covered in the sap donkey self spiked but is there anything more to it than that do have a milky sap in which is generating to be fairly toxic. So yeah the answer is if you've got any cuts on your fingers or whatever and you mentioned about with these obvious and Or delay or anything like that. Don't get the sap into a car because it does tend to sort of airtight sleeping pavel touched them as being particularly in the is rubbed the ice because then that can stink quite a lot and one other thing to spat reminders. That some of the some of the thought is Some of the Column League Office. I've got quite strong pressure In the in competitor is and if you take a cotton you can almost get missed off of the club. Did that once took a cutting off the east African youth or the choppy saint off and that even knowing it for days afterwards I had this spirit strong stinging sensation so it was definitely that missed it. Yes Oh that's amazing. He really talks. They come so the you thought your after curry for example from Chicago Cook is a particularly nasty but generally speaking. I mean up generally threatening not just imitating but you just need to know. Yeah got children around Of course yeah and one of the plot that was catching my Offer was this super spiny specimen here. tell me is that is not a you phobia or is that something else. It's so spiny. That's why yeah that was also from Madagascar okay. That's already Hamburg shrub. Species most of the medical allow the healthiest tend to be Very Kolomna very upright and in fact. It's one. Yes they should take so you can see them upright stems. I mean this is on you baby compared size get in Madagascar but that that one reminds the month the birger reminds bushy but yeah it is quite substantially. Yeah I can imagine that's single few creatures. The my nipple concede the point. That's amazing. And what else did I went to occupy occupy. I wanted to ask you about some of these sort of spaghetti massive spaghetti type. You've got over here this one and this one is. This is different this one. Here you me yes region. America's compliant is the court. Is there a codex onto their world. Lisa thickened route basically. It's not such a bad thing so does have quite a lot of the normal root system on it but but this guy is a training plant and it was sort of creep up amongst the branches and leaves The Bushes and trees but it is an old looking things very thin. Stems Komo shortcut a bit of a hairy situation. Yeah I just saw something about one particular specifically that you'd recommend to somebody who was wanting to get started collecting semi forbears and they've made me go. I don't know like me. They've got phobia trig Gona. They got from the Garden Center. Where did you go next with you? Phobias when you want to start sort of getting more into these plants well I suspect that One of the more common plants people are going to be able to get easily. Get Out of your something. You thought your visa which is a South African plant. It's a a small ranchy globular plan. There is one in the bed over there. You know what that was one of my child. That was a plant. The I absolutely adored doored a very sort of common names at Taunton Bowl and stuff very attractive launch around right but of course that produced by the millions in in Holland various places but strange enough. They're not that they're quite the quite endangered in the natural habitat reputation rights. You visited one habitat of your thoughts. Robichaud news quite decimated Africa. People have taken from the wild. Yeah a lot of it is. Yeah yeah this was on a protected area and it was sponsored by the BCS. Actually it was a place couldn't drew on a farm land and he took us to the area wasn't quite near he's fall mass. Because you know these South African boss. Yeah it's reliable way but but he was as well but Just quite upset because he said he actually school party. Come down from from Cape Town to have a look round but the shepherd he should when he went back and look. There's lots of holes. Gosh yeah well. It's a shame. Isn't it because if you as you say if it's if it's produced easily the mortgage take a while but I guess that's the temptation of these fascinating people and is the care of that. Blown like a CACTUS. Lots of Sun not Windsor and generally speaking it depends again where you're growing them. You know I mean you can probably be grow these on the window ledge indoors quite easily in a good light position and you can probably sing growing all through the year. I mean in this particular varmint. In the greenhouse everything tends to be bit drier over winter kept but troy and therefore there no inactive growth. Yeah Yeah I mean. That's the sort of thing that most people were. Start off. Start off with if you WanNa stop you thaw collection and then you're probably get into some of the millionaire types as well. I mean they don't necessarily have to pay the sort of book standard hybrid types. But you can get very easily through some of the specialist nurseries things like this. which is it's not actually a very kindle you know? These are quite easily to growth love shrubbery plants. I'm just looking at the label. That you phobia. What's it? What's the Latin name will now simone one and two and currency okay? I like little tiny lemon yellow flowers on delicate. Yeah well it's a fantastic collection. I'm is there anything else in here. The East Europe's elite baby that you would you know in the case of a fine you'd be grabbing it. I is there anything that you really price waterhouse. I mean in their own. The two things I guess I mean how quickly quite like this thing. This is Joe. Those senior Guy Gas and this is from the island of Sokoto Tra and I mean again compared to some of the plants are saying habitat over there. This is still only your baby but having a fairly substantial pound Houthi without getting the wild. I've seen them three and a half may decide. Oh my gosh okay. And sort of most of meat fat. So so It's a peculiar count. So things like that. I mean I would a black at Wi with me. Oh so even going down to the small stuff very much like this. You thought Jimmy Colosio it is this is the opium. And if anybody is growing CACTI and succulents I mean the gym Nicklaus yhorities label attached to you of course because it very much resembles Jim Nicosiam the genus. You probably have more luck. If you're rushing out in away from a phone you probably have more luck picking the size of a coker. It's not just to tell me what what's the purpose of almost the big applause over here. You've got some is that luck strapped and lifted out when you read some of cool the stuff. Nothing yeah. The competitor Amac yet skype. Be a bit of community Cappella. Everybody goes down there to the to the drainage occasionally. I just used to sit in little off the border so I soak because they love a drink. They take a lot of water during the Guard station. So I guess that Codex you can. I guess this is one of the things. is we get so thinking. Yeah well that they dry plants. We mustn't so often in the driving season. You realize they can take on a lot in they do. Yes I mean nothing. This is a misconception. Any sort of misconception and a lot of CACTUS plants action that you know you don't need to water them very much well. Fact is if you don't generally speaking though savoys they'll I'll just sit there and do nothing. Magic rose accessory to certain amount of and certainly some of these succulents contain enormous amount of order much much woah. People will realize yes. Yeah yeah that's very true. Well what is it. That is an incredible looking plot. I would love to three meters high one of those. Oh so that is just stunning. I need Sarah anything that you kind of you love hate relationship with it. You just just get rid of Bob. Kahn really get along with. They must be drawn nuts. Drugs learn people around the Koelner. Keep putting them throw away but oh I think yeah. I know what you're gonNA come coming around to hear. It's the old mother of millions. That's they call that. Yes quite but frankly they're attractive plant nasty crown but you'll never get rid of them but SAS right they. Are you know funny enough. They are not very common in habitat. Really no I mean. There's a kind of Tosa Tosa relief yet. You very very rarely see in Madagascar. You will find version isis grind. But I mean it's sort of Lucca. Doc a guy is almost the thought Bureau Besa book standard sort of asked plus basically but yeah those things they come up and try to get rid of a middle way some sitting around somewhere indeed indeed very true. Now I don't think so I mean take my plunk collection down to stuff. I find attractive to grow. I think you'll find that some of the least attractive plants some some of the rarest around so I mean you know we still if we sort of really passionate obese we do have a duty to try and grow these things as well. I'm just dropped. My is been something over here. I can see Account Co on here. But is this really propagated from leaves. And I've forgotten that Suicide Oregon Alice and this leaves taken from a plant that we're in Madagascar last November about this time last year actually and these were leaves taken from plant and just stuck into the punish there and return as easy as that Simpson Simpson from the patio. The rowing that'd be lovely aren't psychologist color coming down enough. So what will you do those. Now you'll will the original leaf be cut off or just allows dieback the best plan. Yeah Oh that's that. Would we love it. So how often do you manage to go to Madagascar and actually see these plants in the wall Oh we all barrels being with me and I've been with several Dutch MITES. Probably that five times we've been over over the years and was the lightest excursion was November last year. Every time we go we are the try to find somewhere different to go some different place to look at the place who well. It's that must be wonderful to see the plants net in assessing and hopefully help pup- reshaped. How lots of great and little bit better as well he does? Yeah because one thing you do learn is sort of like a bit of the soil composition is is always bring back so samples with me really wasn't found mostly Madagascan hepatitis. You're talking about so eleven. A condition of about four and a half off. Ph fatty acid. Yes and a guide. Another thing I try and translate that here by using if I cane nine rain water or if no city for the took water I'll have to say I. Do you know I have lots of listeners. Who live in apartments? Listen flats and don't have access to rain mortar. But I have to say personally unlucky as I am to have a garden and to have access to lots of auto parts. I do love using remorse. I told my house because they do seem to like it. You can't get away with tap water for a lot of things but I do definitely think that he can get rainwater. He's a wonderful resource. Isn't it I think as the added advantage is because the number of plants I've got here to border. Individuals generally have to house point them. So top. Full of Roy Moore Drudges pumping it also negates the fact that you don't markup leaves with salts and the Yes yes yeah that's very true. Yeah Delay The rain water. I have now got a Milkman an old fashioned Milkman and so when I get and I don't know if this is ridiculous ridiculous today and thank you so much for my cats claims but more with my furniture plants. I do now find myself filling up when the bottle of milk finished against the wards about filling up with rain water water bringing it inside reads room temperature and so they get identified. He good for the plot but in my mind is has some benefit that they're getting a little bit of calcium. How's him I don't know and I'm just raising the ball at the same time so I feel I feel quite good about? That doesn't seem to done any home so far. I guess we will have our little foy boss which SIP Augsburg mortars well. Okay but it won't before you plant silo. That's the best way to go. So yes Sir Straight Habitat. Because he's come and I had a might Dutch my mind. Every year plans bob ordering his pants directly happy central boiler so good temperature that is wow okay interesting interesting. If I've been desperate to order something and I've got cold rainwater especially in the winter. I happen to put in the microwave up quickly quickly for applause. It's amazing isn't it at this time of year. Is this a quiet time of year when you have not not doing a lot of reporting in a holding pattern most things most things now sort of Getting Engineer Dome C. In fact I mean you know even now middle of November here. We've got some really nice weather. Usually so you know. I suppose winters a bit like coming but yeah most things as you can see a lot of things haven't gotten leaves on and you can see a lot of things that have had leaves on the Nass starting brand with their shopping. That's the drawback one of the drawbacks Shaw collection on this forever. hoovering up the league. Yes well it's a it's a wonderful collection it's great to see It's obviously so well cared for intended. I mean this. Greenhouse is immaculate after say compared to greenhouse of greenhouses. I come see it's very very very neat tidy so you always take great pride in your collection so thank you very much for showing me around pleasure. Thank you thank you so much to both for sharing his collection with me and now it's time for a question of the week which comes from the center gent. What a wonderful instagram? Mr Graham handle and the Senate Gent wanted to know how to get his Monster Evans Sonia and his newly purchased Moss. Paul Paul which I should I think looks like a pole with Koya on it actually to make friends with each other. This is a really good question and something. I hadn't really thought of explaining explaining before but this is something that is worth considering when you're looking to plant growing up Hamas Paul particularly if it's Koya the plant won't just latch on in and grow without any help so you need to provide some kind of anchorage and the thing that I usually recommend is something called. German pins pins or pins so I just wandered into our local florist and said can I buy a dozen. German pins please. And she told me them forty DP so they're pretty easy to get your hands on if you are anywhere near floors. I'm sure you can buy them online as well but hey why not buy them locally with zero packaging they just is literally went into my pocket. So that's an easy way to get hold of these things but water they were. The little metal pins about whether you can get various sizes. Actually the ones I've got are about three centimeters of an engine a bit long and about a centimeter wide and at the end. They've got a little they u-shaped but that go a little bend in the end which is a makes the end rather bigger. Explain this very well. They kind of U.. Shaped with a bump in the the end and I'll post a picture in the show notes so you can see what they look like at and basically what you need to do is get your stem. nestled between the prongs of the EU and pushed them into the Koya or the moss gently said that the stem doesn't get crushed but that is anchored in place and they should go and quite a long way you need to angle them sideways and upward down usually to make them work and you may take a few attempts just to get them in the exactly the right position but they work really really well holding stems in place. If you find that you've got really meaty stems of a monster or something. I think. They are wider than the Muslim pin. They are bendable. You should be as wide in them fairly easily so make sure not crushing the stem. I'll put a little story the on instagram. To show you how this is done but this way you should find that the anften tissues roots of climbing plants start to appear and Mesh with the Koya it also helps if you keep the chorus slightly damp through misting that way. The plant is more likely to derive some benefit from being close to that source of moisture so most pins or German pins are what you need. If however you're growing plant on an obelisk this is actually what my monster at Sony is growing on the thing that I've found that works really. Yeah well those tiny little clips that come on found ops or kids holding them to the stake now I take all the stakes out of my fellow mobsters can. I really don't like the way they look on. I let them trail but I do save the stakes and I say those little clips which are then used to clip my monster. Adam sonae stems in place. So if you've got some of those you can use you use those alternatively you can just buy little heck tiny heck lips which worked just as well you can either do them in the same colors the obelisks they fade into the background or Gopher Gopher resembling a contrasting color. If that's what the look that you're looking for I just remember when you were anchoring. The mosque poll into the soil. It's probably wise to have it going in great to the bottom of the pot because the taller is the more likely the plot will become top heavy so anchor it really really well you can even use a couple of cable ties to attach it to the bottom of the pot so it really is firmly in place because there's nothing worse than the whole thing toppling over and yes I have been there. Well hope that answer is your question the centerpiece Gent. And I'm sure that florus around the world will be running out of German slashing. Maasim pins before you know it. If you've got a question for on the ledge drop me a line on the podcast at g mail dot com and that's so this week show. We'll be back next Friday when we'll be talking about the death months. Yes how to get your house plants through the the winter period so set your side lamps to overdrive and you grow lights to full power and I'll see you in a week's time by the music in this week's episode doc was roll Jordan Roll by the joy drops the tracks chiefs and endeavor from disaster and an instrument. The boy called Happy Daycare. Connor by Samuel Corwin old tracks licensed undecorated Commons. See Jane Run DOT COM for details yeah
Politicians: Eva Pern
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Will Manica today's political figure became emblematic of a political movement in Argentina? In her short life chief a saint like status and was so powerful an icon that long after her death, her final resting place remained a subject of fierce debate. Let's talk about if Perron. If, it was born Maria Eva Duarte in nineteen nineteen in Los Toldo's Argentina. If his mother and father were never married in fact, Avis father was married to someone else and had a whole other family eva's mother was his mistress. Still if it was the youngest of their four children to to the `illegitimate' status of the relationship, the family was very poor when evo was six, her father died leaving the family in an even more precarious position. To make ends meet if his mother took in boarders and worked odd jobs when EVA was fifteen, she traveled to Buenos Irs to pursue an acting career. She found success doing radio shows including one in which she portrayed famous women throughout history like Elizabeth I and Catherine. The Great, a sort of dramatized encyclopedia Manica if you will. When it was in her mid twenty s she met a rising star in the Argentinian government colonel Juan Perron. The two were married nineteen forty-five later, that same year, a military coup of rival army navy officials ousted from office. Determined, to return to power one, entered the presidential race with Eva by his side. Her humble beginnings resonated with the poor and working class people of Argentina. The response was overwhelming. The adoration around Abe propelled want to victory and he took office in June of Nineteen, forty six. While Eva held no official title beyond first lady she quickly began amassing political power having built. So much of the campaign around her connection with the poorest citizens of Argentina, she became the defacto secretary of Labor, as well as the unofficial secretary of health. In these unofficial positions if a secured wage increases for unions, she created the Eva Peron Foundation which established hospitals, schools, elder care facilities, and orphanages all around the country A. To progress the rights of women in Argentina, she was influential in the passage of the women's suffrage legislation in nineteen, forty seven and the subsequent creation of the parents to feminist party in nineteen, forty nine. As her popularity grew to saint like fervor. There were calls for her to run as the vice president alongside her husband in nineteen fifty one. But want an eva ended up not going forward with that plan due to opposition from the Army Davis, growing health concerns in nineteen, fifty, two eva passed away from cervical cancer. She was just thirty three years old. Despite her untimely passing Abbas influence reverberated throughout. Argentina. Devoted followers tried to have her canonized but political opponents were set on removing all symbols of parochialism in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, five, one Perron was overthrown and exiled from Argentina. Shortly thereafter, if was embalmed body was stolen. Even. In death, her presence was seen as a threat to her political opponents balanced political power if his remains were eventually returned to Quan Perron who was exiled in Madrid when one passed away nineteen, seventy, four, his third wife Isabel Perron in an attempt to curry favor with the Argentinian working class returned Eva's remains Argentina. They were interred in the presidential. Palace crept. Just two years later, a new government that was hostile to peronism had the bodies removed. In life and in death, Eva was a galvanizing political figure. Her story is memorialized in the award winning musical and later film adaptation of e TAP. As always, we're taking a break for the weekend tune in on Monday for the story of another political powerhouse for more on why we're doing what we're doing check out our newsletter. We'll Manica weekly follow us on facebook and Instagram at Encyclopedia Manica and follow me directly on twitter at Jenny Kaplan. Special. Thanks to my favorite sister and Co Creator Liz Caplan. Talk to you on Monday.
Episode 102: spider mites
"Thanks so much to truly market who've been backing on the ledge for the last three months. I'm really grateful for their support. This Utah by seat company is helping gardeners grow offering an incredible range of flour vegetable and herb seeds plus micro Greens mushroom growing kits and all kinds of other cool stuff so why not support caught on the ledge by giving truly market a try U._S.. Listeners you get ten percent off your first purchase at true leaf market dot com now using the code on the Ledge. Why not so some change in your garden with an order from chief market their products come with a thirty day satisfaction guarantee so I know you won't be disappointed? Sir Remember get ten percents off your first purchase at truly market dot com now using the coat on the ledge and hello hello and welcome to episode One oa-to of on the Ledge podcast. I'm your host Jane Perron and I'm hoping this is going to be a spine tingling episode well if not a spine tingling tingling episode then maybe a skin tingling episode because this week we're talking about the king of the House plant pests the tiny king because you can't see with the naked eye but nonetheless this red spider mite has to be one of the most annoying and hard to treat pests on your indoor plants particularly those of the Miranda group that CA- leitheiser is to numb fees stroh months and so on and the in this episode. I'm GonNa Talk Talk to to expert entomologists about the life cycle and habits of these crazy creatures explain what signs to look for when you think your plants have been infected and of course Hausa treat them and a monitoring the question about easy trailing plants for cat filled households congratulations this week to Nikki knife in South Africa. Who was the winner <hes> of the mother grow light competition that we ran in episode one hundred well done Nikki? Your grow light is spinning its way to you now and I really hope you enjoy using it and get loads of pleasure from Mitt Nikki was so excited when I emailed with the new so well done to you and thank you to everybody who entered. I got some lovely messages along with your entries which is really nice and it was great to have me more and thanks rule the lovely feedback McCone episode one. Oh one on spider plants. Yes I know spider plants to spider mites from the sublime to the ridiculous heart. That's what we like to do here. On on the Ledge podcast welcome to Lisa Leah and roads who who are all legends this week that's because they've signed up for the five dollar tier of my Patriot and not only can they download an exclusive digital artwork they can also listen to thirty episodes of an extra leaf the additional many podcasts that I put out for Patriot subscribers of five dollars a month or more and this week they can enjoy me talking about three books that have inspired me all the planty theme although not not directly about house plants and they can hear an extended interview with one of the entomologists in today's show about the crazy world of Mites and they'll also be adding an extra leave episode on my ventures with caladiums in the next few days so if you're not a patriots subscriber and you want to be check out the show notes at Jane Perron Dot Com to find out how yes it is in dollars but you can use any form of currency. You like to pay for it so don't worry if you're outside outside the U._S.. We welcome everybody U._S.. And Otherwise Spider Mites if the mere mention of the name does not immediately set your teeth on edge then you haven't experienced the true horror of a fool on spider mite infestation the first time Spider Vita Mites come to visit you probably won't realize until your plants looking pretty miserable. The trouble with these tiny creatures is they take up residence without us noticing and hang around doing damage before we know they're there and and even after you've treated a plant they can come back for more when you least expect it so I thought I'd start this episode by going on a little tour of my own houseplants checking for any spider mite evidence apologies in advance if it's a little bit noisy because we're having some building work today but I couldn't delay because I needed to go on a hunt four spider mites or in other words. Let's all go on the might hunt. Put those without children may not get reference but anyway out. We're going to look at my plant and see if there are any spider mites in evidence and my guess is that there will be because Spider Mites are everywhere so I'm GonNa go over here and have a look at my little mini window sill of Miranda Green plants. I've got three up here tonight the and lately McCoy honor and Ecclesia Mosaic now I we know that the Timothy has had spider my in the past so I think this is probably the number one suspect and it's just seems to be particularly vulnerable and if you're looking at a Miranda group plant and you want to have an idea of how vulnerable it will be despite might molay well experiential learning <hes> as found that the more papery and thin leaves the more likely it is that it will suffer from spied so the mosaic aac Kallithea Kallithea music just seems to have thicker more leathery leaves that don't seem so prone to infection on looking at this plot. It's I love this leaves on this suggests incredibly from was like a bar code. This looks fine. It's clear it's healthy is green. The undecisive Elif are showing no signs of any kind of residue or dust that might be an indication of spider mine and similarly the Peacock Leitheiser Maitha which is one. That's coming back from <hes> being abused. I was given it as a plan that Serb been suffering a bit so this one even though it's only tiny and is has had some a difficult early life if we can put it that way it's called loss of leaf damage but it hasn't got the coin of damage that tells me it spider mite so the neef damage here is kind of Browning to the edges which indicates lack of humidity but not the kind of mottoes look that you tend to get respond might and looking at the two nuns the I can see that it has had some spider mite damage because particularly when you hold up believes to the light on the underside you can see it is modeled and that's where the sap is sucked from the plant by the Spider Mites so I can see this been damaged and now I'm going to have a really close. Look at the leaves to see if I can see any current Snyder mite infestation you might not notice the Baxter believe starting to develop this grainy stuff that is the spider mites their eggs because it's really quite hard to spot unless you're looking for but you may notice the overall plant particularly with this Miranda group just kind of starts to sink thank drooping miserable and if that happens always check for spider mite fat check for Spina my anyway because it's so prevalent especially this time of year I looking at this plant. I can see that it's well. There's there's a tiny amount of evidence of spider mite rights at the point where the leaf blade the Lamma meets the Petiot Leaf Stem. There's a tiny amount of white stuff and if I get my magnifying glass also I can see that yes that is a tiny amount of spider mite damage so need to move this plant away from the others and treated again. If you have a really severe if an infestation you probably find that you get some webbing around around the pilots and the plants will start collapse and look absolutely terrible and then you'll be absolutely sure you're dealing with. I'm glad say I've never had one go that far. I've always managed to stop it but I do find the plots have been infected and a naturally weakened then become very vulnerable to repeat infections so you've just gotTa Keep Jackie knows leaves and in the case of this plant because it's got quite a lot of leaves what I will probably do if I find any leaves a look seriously invested. I'll we'll just remove them wholesale right down from the bottom of the stem and other other than that I will treat the plants with some SB plant invigorates and generally give it lots of love and it should recover fairly quickly really again but it's just a constant vigilance so that's that's my weekend of relief wiping sorted out. Let's find out a little bit more about the weird world of Mites I managed to get not one but two entomologist to chat to me on this subject. The first is Jules <unk> Howard author of death on Earth Adventures in evolution and mortality and columnist for the Guardian and Andrew Salisbury who's principal entomologist at the R._H._S. and the first thing thing that I want to know is where is this might from exactly. Is it an interloper that arrived in the U._k.. On shipment of plants has it always been here over to Andrew Salisbury. Oh my certainly has reached bottom hopped over on a punt but by the time we started looking at these things and people started growing <hes> times more widely to become widespread so it's actual origins probably aren't while not well known so he is the thing about Red Spider Mites lights and indeed the whole might family surprising that it may be. We really don't know much about this group of invertebrates so kind of like a one of nature's best kept secrets. You know there's loads of species. Every species is unique in its behaviours and habitats. Happy taxing its niches and to be only smokes people completely overlook them say Mites <hes> one of the many problems we're trying to understand how to deal with mice as pests is just not enough scientists out that willing to look at Tony Things they're all studying lions and macaques and other animals like that you know so as Jews how gist explained their nights. We don't know much about them. Fortunately the Glass House Red Spider mite which is the the past that causes most if not all of the damage to your house plants is one of the better studied Mites why because it's of interest to the horticultural community and indeed the industry of Horticulture to get this passed under control because after all while having your precious plants covered in spider mites and looking miserable may only 'cause you emotional stress for professional grows of plants it really can impact on their livelihood. So what what do we know about Tetris Tocchet commonly known as the Glass House Red Spider Mite or the two spotted spider mite east by my lips about four weeks and the females can lay about ten or twenty eggs every single day the hatch anything from about three days to two weeks after they've been laid and they generally hang out on the underside of leaves and suck sap out of plant cells and that's why you get the model defect that's that's where they'd just sucked the life oversell and you're left with a free Pale patch behind oversee. This is all happening on a really small scale hence the mottled effect as the spider mites take hold the leaf will get more and more Pale until eventually the it will die but the rate of expansion of a spider mite infestation can really depend on the conditions in which the plants are kept as Andrew Souls bree explains often said that transcribe particularly high temperatures choosing drawing over Clara county situations can be affected more badly than and pines growing and sort of more humid not quite hot environments <hes> sort of cases case yeah war patrician trying to keep it sort of the more acceptable level rotate the numbers down so they're not actually damaging plants too much dry heat really is the perfect breeding ground for spider mites which is why we really struggled up this time of year. When some of our plants can undergo heat stress as temperatures empresses get very high behind the glass in our homes as we've already heard Spider Mites can come in on plants that we've nearly bought which is why it's really important to not only examine every single plant that you bring into your? I'm very very carefully but ideally also quarantine them away from your other plants for a few weeks before you introduce them to the gang because that way you can make sure there's no pests in evidence. I have to admit I don't do this every time but I have have paid the price in the past for not doing it so if you can if you've got the rim to keep that quarantine area up and running please do although the only thing was saying we spy demise is bear in mind that although they don't have wings they can actually actually floating through a window and indeed float from plant to plant if there happens to be a bit of a breeze from an open window or door. Yes these things are little ninjas are capable some species of blowing around in the wind <hes> particularly the species like Spider Spider Mites that can make silk you know they can make little threads that catch the wind and as you say they fly around and these animals are so prolific in terms of their breeding that these exponentially increases capable high school I mean only one or two mites can lead to a whole infestation you know after twenty days or so and one of the signs that you've really serious infestation is the site of the webbing Spider Bites on actually Iraq doc needs as such so. Why do they Jeez this silky stuff back to Jules? I'm not provide insights at the moment and you realize a lot. These smaller insects do the same thing but it's basically a way for if you're living for instance on a leaf on the side of a tree there aries various things trying to attack and kill Lisa Fungal parasites trying to get you bacteria oversee other Mites so but producing a line of silk everywhere they move running around they make a complex of <music> blanket of silk and it becomes kind of protective barrier basically from the things that are trying to kill it so a lot of corn is because obviously as you say that that that kind of into related very closely to one another and you know they just like cloning so that whole colony colony can get covered up with these touches silk and it protects it protects debate it keeps the phrase high and mighty a whole nother meaning well. 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Content decorators the <hes> plant oil-based products uh foxing acid based products <hes> deem oil might be recommended the few places like states but it's not registered Bution U._k.. So we can't recommend not issues. He'll be tried tested. <hes> registered U._K.. US <hes> so really it is using things like the plan. Does the fatty acids organic type all <hes> has disowned <hes> that that can help <hes> the systemic mannix Lloyd et Cetera my prayed ace also available eatable <hes> but of course all p people do have concerns with systemic pesticides these days <hes> other controls all they're all arrange abolish controls. The most famous at which is the fight to save is might but on a small collection of of plan have planned it may not be as effective as in a large house you call to that. I will be testing later but let's have a recap. I think the most important accordin element of Red Spider mite control is what we call in the business cultural control and that means just changing the conditions in which your plants live in order to ensure that they are as healthy and happy as possible because that way they are less susceptible able to pest infestations because pest tend to target plants thou are already weakened and that might be that they're the humidity level is too low for their needs or they're getting stressed at the roots because the water supply is too uneven uneven or because the temperature is wrong or because they're in too much light or too little light so trying to keep your plants happy should help to keep pests obey that said clearly spider Mites can still strike strike at any plant and this is where pesticides come in systemic pesticides are the synthetic pesticides where the active ingredients are taken up into the plant and its actual system and therefore they quite long lasting it can be quite effective however these are the ones that contain neo knicks near nicotinoid the active ingredient in the one used for spider Mites is called a settlement printed and the reason why I don't use these are tend to follow organic principles in my garden indoor and out and Neha Knicks have been found to damage pollinator populations and so I don't really want these in my garden especially as I put my dead house ponts onto the compost heap so I steer clear of those but if you do use them just make sure you follow the instructions absolutely to the letter and in fact that applies to any pesticide or product that you're using on your plants please read the label. I cannot say that strongly enough there are pesticides which have organic approval Ville however and these usually contain things like plant oils or fatty acids and these are work on the bodies of the Spider Mites and basically either kill them or damage them in such a way that they can't continue to reproduce and depending on what country you're in. You'll find many of these products are available as sprays <hes> and liquids that can be used on plants again read the label really carefully unchecked bought the active ingredients are that way you know that your product is does does not contain any neonicotinoids. There are other products as well which are often called plant invigorated or plant defenders these are quite new to the market and their remix of nutrients that the plant needs and surfactants and these just literally reduce the water tension the surface tension of water <hes> make water wetter effectively and allow the spray to stick to the leaves more easily and they can help to loosen spider mites and help remove them <hes> used in conjunction with a program of spraying and wiping and in fact any of these fatty acid or plant all products you can use by spraying the plant <hes> and then wiping the debris of them. This is the way I would proceed really isolate your plant well away from any other plants particularly things like of a CA- leitheiser that particularly prone to Spider Mites and start a program of washing down your plant spraying something like S._p.. Plant invigorates. Collaborator or eco-effective plus defender wiping the lead especially the undecideds where the spider mites tend to hang out. I just keep doing it. Just keep replying and replying day after day until all the signs of Spider M._I._T.. Gone then a few days later CEC again. Check check check and you'll find there's probably some more <hes> eggs there which need removing and just keep going. If you have any really seriously infected leaves then sometimes you can remove those completely completely and give the plant a better chance of recovery that way perhaps the most fun way of dealing with spider mites might be a biological control if I can put it this way it's a bit like game of thrones under a hand Lens so effectively actively you introduced one might to kill another might there's a predatory mite that might that Angie mentioned could fight a serious personals and this is the one that's often used to kill off might the whites we don't want the Red Spider Spider Mites. They're introduced into the the house plant area usually a big glass house and they eat away at the Red Spider Mites at every stage of their life cycle and can be very effective in your home though where you might have quite small plant population population is Andrea. Salisbury explained possibly not so effective but Kinda fun though I do want to give it a try here's Andrew to explain a bit more about how it works. They do come a living animals <hes> so you if I wanted to biological control supplies allies open they send it out and it will be on they often call me live from Kabul things where you you pay back to strip or sash it the you earn and and Paul <hes> basically the Mickey Alliance which taints the minds on the planet video living mice and they can get get going straight away <hes> the key with the biological controls these always keeping on your spot those early signs and when you do see the signs <hes> might damage and Mike populations that is the time to introduce bottles controls you might I got out of hand and you're you're beginning to dry up and the the might really causing serious damage it probably a bit late then to introduce biological control and when it comes to Neem oil I should mention this one to this has become a very popular treatment for houseplants and it's an extract from the Neem tree. It is natural naturally occurring ingredients. It's not a synthetic chemical but it's not approved for use in the U._k.. As a pesticide which is why I don't use it if you do use use it. If you're in a country where it's it's allowed to be used. Please please please follow the instructions really really carefully as you would do for any other pesticide because just because it's natural in inverted commas doesn't mean that you can fling around <hes> with this guy abandoned and not take any notice of the instructions so make sure you delete it to the right levels and use it carefully and while you're treating your plant again look at the levels of overall health and check if it needs reporting all of these things can help to just give your plombat extra booth and get it back to its former glory move quickly one final mystery to solve before we put this subject to spite him is to bed and that's why are they cooled Red Spider Mites because quite often he looked at them under a hand Lens. They aren't actually read for for those who actually sees the spider Mite of the highland what you often see a pale colored might often with two black dots on on the DORSAL surface <hes> and you might be wondering why they are called grass red spider mite by most of this new K. whereas North Americans tend to call them two spotted spider mite obviously because those two spots well apostoli cycle particular when they badly damaged transfer when they're going to a wintering they the females do actually turn an orangey red and that's the only stage owns you read most of the rest of Tomei all that to Pale green color with two dots and if I can leave you with a final might Mike related towards it's this although we do want to make sure that our plants are not inhabited by a huge population of red spider mites might as part of a huge group of invertebrates are actually really really important and is really unrealistic if not completely wrong headed to ever imagine that we're going to get our house plants soil to be free of these microorganisms as a group you know million species a single single handful of soil having absolutely thousands of individuals in it. You can't really control that you know to control that you would kill the soil springs housing minds almost wholly responsible for decomposing leaves into smaller and smaller chunks that makeup the soil you know without doing that without the action along with worms we would basically stop you know within a year so yeah. There's no such thing I would say is like clean soil. You know these animals that kind of that. That's a stay. I and I suppose the more we talk about the more convenient them in a positive light staff. I say well that's a great note to end our might chat today. If you want to hear the full interview with jewels because he had so many fascinating eating things to say about non plant dwelling Mites that you might find interesting you can do so if you happen to be a patient subscriber of five dollars a month or more an extra leaf number thirty is up now and you can hear my full chat with. Choose in that episode now question of the week comes from Brighton Days on Instagram Aka Charlotte who wanted some training plot recommendations that were can't friendly for beginners but not too common well Charlotte. I'm not sure if this one is considered to be common or not but I really love it and that's what's called Myers asparagus fern also known as the foxtail fern the normal asparagus fern Plume Oasis that has an upright right habit but the excel fern has a beautiful foxtail like stem which once he gets long enough will start to dangle over and trail and it looks absolutely lovely and it's not toxic to plants and it's pretty the easy to look after so that one would be pretty high on my list for your requirements. If you've got a really hot sunny spot then seed him Mughanna on the boroughs tail succulent that one is fine for cats hats and it also would look beautiful in a head pot. I love it when they're displayed in that way so that the stems look like MMA juices hair. That's another great one but only if you've got plenty of Sun It's worth noting that as far ars I know on it's just worth double checking this before you buy but all of the plants in the Genera- pilot and Pepperoni ah all cat friendly so that includes things like pilot Lebanons's often described optus pilot Glauca or Fila a beautiful tiny lead pilot that trails beautifully and is really really super easy to grow <hes>. I really liked that one and there's lots of pepper omya choices for trading plants to including Ostrava. I find it more difficult to grow but something like pepperoni a quadrangular Harris. I think that is a super easy pepperoni. That's definitely worth a try and it may not be in vogue the moment but I think this is wrong before earlier. The old-fashioned Grape Avi is a great choice sorry about that. It's a trading plunk attractive looking leaves and his easy to look after and won't kill you cap and I don't think you can say fairer than that. I hope that's helped Charlotte and if you've got a question for on the Ledge podcast drop me a line my wonderful editorial helper Kelly is charting all of your queries and a wonderful spreadsheet so when I come to my Cuna C._N._i.. Special very soon I will be able to answer as many as possible so thanks to all of you who are getting in touch two things to mention before I go listen to Steve is hoping to organize listener get together in Glasgow so in Scotland so if you happen to be Scottish listener do join the facebook group House plant fans of on the legend you'll find Steve there. If you just Google Glasgow and Steve you'll find him or otherwise. Just drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with Steve also also there's a London plant cruel happening on July twenty eighth. Unfortunately I can't attend but it's going to be an east London tour of some of the best places to shop for House plants including Columbia road flower market so the details of that are in the show notes and I really hope that you can support that event. That's all for this week. Show I'll have given you a new insight into the invisible things going on all around our house plots doc. I'll see you next week by SPA SPA. Uh ooh it it was down. I see <hes> Haglund three and four the too thin <music> in the music in this week's episode was roll Jordan Rope by the joy in certify by kid and nasty and Loonie Spider.