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08:36 min | 1 year ago

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"Up. So he didn't Karen loaded up with bad dudes. But what changed when he took over? Now It's almost like when he took over, Um Guantanamo was put on pause and you know, there were hearings that went on pretrial hearings. There was there was incremental movement. There was only one release and it had to do with something that had been arranged before. Um, and and so he kind of dropped it. He made very strong statements about it and dropped it. But I just want to say something about Ian's last point, which is that in the end of the Obama administration to his point The special advice office that would set up to negotiate deals for the transfer of nearly 200 detainees did happen, and it was too little too late, but it was eight. Unbelievably important effort and has set a framework for how Biden can handle the transfers and releases today. Okay, So, Ian, you were involved in that framework. What is it? How How do you get someone out of Guantanamo and accepted by another country? The way that we went about finding locations for individuals, Uh, upon transfer out of Guantanamo, uh, was primarily through repatriation, so that would be sending individuals back to their home country, which was our policy preference. And resettlements and every settlements would be transferring detainees to a third country, a country that is not their own. And we did that, under circumstances are in the context of of detainees who for a variety of reasons, primarily either the security situation in their home country would not permit their transfer home or that the U. S government had serious concerns about their humane treatment. After their transfer. So we called upon our friends and allies around the world and couple of dozen countries accepted scores and scores of detainees into their country and did so at a time when the United States itself wasn't willing to do that, As Karen mentioned there is a statute that currently prevents, uh, any one ever hold Guantanamo from coming to the U. S mainland. For any purpose, whether that's trial or medical treatment, even if they haven't been charged with a crime. Even if they haven't been charged with the crime, which is why it was it was so necessary for us to solicit and and to receive the help of our of our friends and allies, who as Humanitarian gestures offered resettlement to, uh to to a large large number of detainees. So currently there are roughly two different categories of detainees there at Guantanamo. Those awaiting trial, I guess in the military commission system and then those who Aren't going to go on trial. And these are the people who can't find a place to live. No one will take them or why are they still there? The 27 so 10 of them have been cleared for release and just it's important to note that five of those who have been cleared for release by the periodic review board that determines that they're no longer a threat. Um, we're cleared under Biden. It was the same symbol that he gave out very early in his presidency. Um, And so there's a sense of momentum, which I hope continues. So what has to happen is that the remaining ones if they can be can be cleared for release to be transferred to another country under these sort of exquisitely detailed arrangements that balance Security against human rights conditions, etcetera, So that's one category and then the other categories. Of course, the military commissions in which there are 12 individuals to have to have already been found guilty, But 10 remain to be tried in four different trials, and I actually think I'm curious with Ian thinks that that's the harder piece of Guantanamo right now. Two in terms of closing it. Right. So, Ian, you're involved in the military commission. So 10 are supposedly going to be tried, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind. There was some action this week. Some preliminary hearing this week That was cut short. I believe, but what is happening there? The military commissions have have been through each of their iterations going on for quite some time. And I think that, uh, you know, here we are on the eve of the 20th anniversary of the September 11th attacks, And yet there is still no judicial finality. The commission's in large part, have been vexed by a single question, and that single question is revolves around the issue of torture and the mistreatment of detainees in in in U. S custody. And in particular those those individuals who are currently facing charges in the military commissions. The reality is and I think that this is is quite Obvious from the past decade of de Minimus. Progress in the in the commission system is that Trial merit trials are exceedingly unlikely. And if we are to avoid having this same conversation about the military commissions at the 30th anniversary of the 9 11 attacks, then we need to find another way out of of the commissions. And I think that the way out Of this problem are negotiated resolutions and to be more specific plea agreements. Um, for example, my my client who is a longtime cooperator, Mr Majid Khan entered into a plea agreement. But it was in large part a recognition by the by the government that it it was ultimately want to be faced with answering questions related to his mistreatment and torture in those same questions, pervade every single military commissions case. So what would a plea agreement look like? Would the defense agree not to press for revelations of torture in exchange for a lighter sentence? Well, I think obviously I can't speak for the for the individuals that I don't represent. But I think that in broad terms, it actually wouldn't be the defense that would press for that. It would probably be the government that would that would seek Or would rather would offer say, a life sentence in the context the capital cases in exchange for foregoing which what will surely be, you know another decade of of litigation, and then potentially, if you are even able to achieve some sort of Conviction than an appeals process that will that will go on for quite some time and ultimately will not result in capital punishment. Capital punishment was taken off the table the day that U. S. Authorities decided to, uh to utilize what we have come to know as torture. Right. But if if they did agree to that to a life sentence where they serve that life sentence, that's a that's A. That's a fantastic question. I think for some of the the individuals and the commission system, they can serve their sentences abroad, and that would be incumbent upon the bind administration to negotiate. Transfer agreements that that would incorporate into them the the individual serving their sentence abroad. I think it's a little bit more tricky when it comes to the capital cases. There will be a real desire on the part of the U. S government to retain those individuals in U. S custody and I think that there would have to be a conversation about them serving their sentence on the on the mainland. I think it is the only individuals that could Or should come to the U. S mainland would be those individuals who are convicted and serving sentences. But, as Karen noted earlier that requires a conversation and arguably a change in the law, although there are some that would argue that the president has inherent authority to move them, but that surely would result in a massive political fight. That may not be that may not be worth it. Karen. Earlier this week, the Taliban announced its interim government, and there are several former Guantanamo detainees in in that new government in top positions, in fact, What do you make of that? Yeah, those were individuals who were part of the boat Bergdahl Exchange. Um, what I make of it is that it's not really helpful for the sort of talking about what to do with these prisoners and how to release them. Um, but ultimately, I don't think it's actually going to matter. I think what you have at Guantanamo in the non military commissions part in the in the detainees. The indefinite detainees are a number of individuals who are old..

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07:28 min | 1 year ago

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"A started a quintana. Thank you very much. Redevelopment goddess office from an area in russia called tartar stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in late. One thousand nine hundred ninety s. He was a professional ballet dancer. then drafted into the russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby They attempted to Travel south only reveal made it across the border into jika stan afghanistan and then pakistan where he was arrested in march. Two thousand and two by pakistani police is mark. Mayor mentioned Also sold for bounty to united states authorities who took him to barroom took him to kandahar and tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation and supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken guantanamo in october of two thousand and two where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary. Eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus. And in two thousand ten. Here in dc where. I live judge. Henry kennedy issued the right of habeas corpus in order the united states government to release route revealed in gaza from gano. If believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a six-year kafka esque appellate cycle where he was not released and then in two thousand. Ten reveal also want a periodic review board. Hearing like mr nassar that mark mentioned and that same panel cleared reveal for release and then took the state department about six months to locate a country reveal to go to. He cannot go back to russia because russia has a record of killing or torturing a one quantum of detainees return to them. So we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the united arab emirates where several other are. Dozen other ex detainees also went it was always reveals dream to be in an arab country. He learned arabic lonzo. He understood arabic culture. Wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day reveal was on the last plane. Out on tottenham. Oh the day before donald trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged Something terrible We were promised by our state department. That the ui had promised them that Reveal would be released in six months that he would be treated humanely that he would be given job and a place to live in about six months time which is similar to the saudi program for expertise detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the uae lied to the united states government. These so-called diplomatic assurances were were simply allies and reveal along with about two dozen. Other men have suffered even more in. Uae prisons most notoriously our zine prison these now four and a half years and they're not permitted a review by international red cross or requests in they've been able to get out. Sporadic calls to their families With the help of reprieve where. Mr mayor works. The dots have been connected We know there's torture there we know there's mistreatment and the the men stuck in the uae like brazil. Had all said is worse than guantanamo worse than guantanamo is. So that's why with with eighteen men still there we call the uae gitmo yeast as opposed to get more west and with the numbers are dwindling. Now thirty nine eight with eighteen in the they're really a pair. An biden is serious about closing tano. He needs to in his state department. Needs to look into the concept of re resettlement Look at people like revolt and guys off some of the gaps. Garrett josh if i can. I just wanted to ask you about this. Particular issue of the uae has gitmo of the east to your analysis. What has been the. Us government's reaction to basically offloading prisoners to another gulag totally complicit the uae past all these men often uae. And as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on. Those diplomatic assurances. We apparently our state department at least under donald trump just didn't care Didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that that our state department even now under the by the administration is really doing anything to remedy the situation in the uae. Some people in the state department of told us their quote working on or they're in touch with people in the uae. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to russia or in the case of the yemenis who are in the might take them back to yemen where they can suffer just wanted to remind people what joe biden said the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by pbs moderator michel cinder about closing one tano vice president biden wiping to close one obey. Why couldn't the obama administration close to close guantanamo bay. But you have to have congressional already to do. It kept it open. The fact is that we in fact it's the greatest hit an advertisement for it is an advertisement for creating terror the image of tonne around the world the fact of mark mayor your final words. The only thing that the only two things that i would add words to kind of hone in on something that gary was saying there He mentioned Having titian for rid of habeas corpus back in twenty ten that would have been during brock obama's presidency and that means his justice department was opposing That petition for rid of habeas corpus We found ourselves in a similar situation with our klein. Audela haroon goule His justice department Mr biden's president biden's justice department took the same position that president. Bush president obama's president trump's did we had biden he should Stop opposing these petitions of habeas corpus and begin releasing all of the uncharged men who remaining one tottenham obey. Wanna thank marc mayer and gary thompson. Lawyers for at least two of the guantanamo prisoners. I made me goodman with one. Gonzalez stay say..

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14:27 min | 1 year ago

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"Their lives. We own the reparations us. We need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them in attempting to make the rest of their lives for more. We're joined by two lawyers representing these men. Gary thompsons and attorney in private practice. Who's worked on pro bono guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former guantanamo. Prisoner reveal men. Gaza also with us mark mayor staff attorney for reprieve. Us who's represented six men in prison guantanamo including abdulatif nassir who has just released to morocco. Mark let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which he was just released. And what's happening to abdulatif nassar now. Absolutely thank you for having me. On the circumstances under which was released actually begin back in twenty sixteen as you said abdelatif. Nassir was held for close to two decades nineteen years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board which is a parole institution. That was set up. Under the a barack obama's presidency and his staff by six members of a federal agencies from the united states including the departments of defense homeland security and the joint chiefs of staff. They determined unanimously. That up to latif nassir posed no threat to the united states or anybody and determined that he should be released from guantanamo. Unfortunately this determination came quite late. In barack obama's presidency and the state department at that time defer to the next administration as we all know was the trump administration president trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing tahoe and in fact not transferring anyone out of guantanamo and largely kept that promise so even though up liffey nassir was cleared by senior civil servants from the us government. He had to sit and wait until the political will within the united states changed and as thrilled as we are that i'll not nassir is now out that he is back in morocco and his with his family and is trying to start a new life and is focused on the future of the fact remains. He lost close to two decades of his life and that number and twenty-seven men are still there without charge or trial Waiting for the political will of this administration to change us up and mark may. Could you talk a little bit about how he came to end. Up in one-ton mojo. I was originally a captured and transferred to detain there. And why did he never received trial. Well i can say that. That the reason why he never seemed to trial is the same reason. Why a twenty seven of those men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all they're being held essentially as prisoners of war ability. If nassir ended up in one tahoe the way. A lot of people ended up in guantanamo. There was a bounty program. Essentially that was being run in afghanistan and in pakistan. I believe i the number. I might be getting wrong. I believe what the balance is being offered for. P- turning over people to afghan-american pakistani authorities was close to five thousand dollars at the time which was a huge life changing amount of money and he. We happen to know. In a lot of cases of people who ended up guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there Or simply mistaken identity That's the case of another one of our clients who still detained. Guantanamo bay met rabbani the stories actually detailed in the senate torture report that he was detained. Mistakenly because the united states believed he was another man named hassan ghul he was severely tortured including techniques. That haven't been used since the spanish inquisition. The united states eventually actually detained mr hassan ghul at the same prison bog rem that Mister rabbani was being held at missiles. Strauss on goal was eventually released from there but now twenty years on a much like the situation that opt to latif nassir found him in just a month ago. Achmad rabbani remains there so sadly this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained and the colts have been growing for the biden administration to close guantanamo. A how could that be done. And do you think it's likely one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all twenty seven of the who have never been again charged with any crime or at trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial This is especially true. In light of the fact that as well i think is your viewers and listeners will know the by administration has announced that the war in afghanistan is supposed to completely end By a i think mid august was the last Estimate that they had. And i believe earlier in the show We heard president biden saying that Combat troops will be exiting iraq by the end of the year. That says to me. I think to a lot of observers that the that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in guantanamo or ending If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these ben. This is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking moving these algae there is political will if they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question is what can the biden administration due to solve this problem. The question should be what justification does the vitamin association. Still have to be detained. Be to be detaining these people. I wanna bring gary thompson into the conversation. The attorney who were pro bono for guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for reveal manga. Zaw who is a former guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story. And then where he's ended up today. How a started a quintana. Thank you very much. Redevelopment goddess office from an area in russia called tartar stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in late. One thousand nine hundred ninety s. He was a professional ballet dancer. then drafted into the russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby They attempted to Travel south only reveal made it across the border into jika stan afghanistan and then pakistan where he was arrested in march. Two thousand and two by pakistani police is mark. Mayor mentioned Also sold for bounty to united states authorities who took him to barroom took him to kandahar tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation and supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken guantanamo in october of two thousand and two where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus. And in two thousand ten. Here in dc where. I live judge. Henry kennedy issued the right of habeas corpus in order the united states government to release route reveal men gaza from gano. If believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a six-year kafka esque appellate cycle where he was not released and then in two thousand ten reveal also want a periodic review board hearing like mr nassar that mark mentioned and that same panel cleared for release and then took the state department about six months to locate a country reveal to go to. He cannot go back to russia because russia has a record of killing or torturing a one quantum of detainees return to them so we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the united arab emirates where several other are. Dozen other ex detainees also went. It was always reveals dream to be in an arab country. He learned arabic and lonzo understood. Arabic culture wanted to be there and we really celebrated that day reveal was on the last plane out on tottenham oh the day before donald trump was inaugurated so it really felt like we had dodged Something terrible we were promised by our state department that the ui had promised them that Reveal would be released in six months that he would be treated humanely that he would be given job and a place to live in about six months time which is similar to the saudi program for expertise detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the uae lied to the united states government. These so-called diplomatic assurances were were simply allies and reveal along with about two dozen. Other men have suffered even more in. Uae prisons most notoriously our zine prison these now four and a half years and they're not permitted a review by international red cross or requests in they've been able to get out. Sporadic calls to their families With the help of reprieve where. Mr mayor works. The dots have been connected We know there's torture there we know there's mistreatment and the the men stuck in the uae like brazil. Had all said is worse than guantanamo worse than guantanamo is. So that's why with with eighteen men still there. We call the uae gitmo yeast as opposed to get more west and with the numbers dwindling. Now thirty nine eight with eighteen in the they're really a pair. An biden a serious about closing tano. He needs to in his state department. Needs to look into the concept of re resettlement Look at people like revolt and guys off some of the gaps. Garrett josh if i can. I just wanted to ask you about this. Particular issue of the uae has gitmo of the east to your analysis of what has been the us government's reaction to basically offloading prisoners to another gulag totally complicit the uae. Past all these men often. Uae and as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on. Those diplomatic assurances. We apparently our state department at least under donald trump just didn't care Didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that that our state department even now under the biden administration is really doing anything to remedy the situation in the uae. Some people in the state department of told us their quote working on or they're in touch with people in the uae. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to russia or in the case of the yemenis who are in a might take them back to yemen where they can suffer wanted to remind people what joe biden said the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by. Pbs moderator michel cinder about closing one tano vice-president biden wiping to close one obey. Why couldn't the obama administration close to close guantanamo bay. But you have to have congressional already to do. It kept it open. The fact is that we in fact it's the greatest hit is an advertisement for it is an advertisement for creating terror. The image of around the world the fact of mark mayor your final words. The only thing that the only two things that i would add words to kind of hone in on something that gary was saying there He mentioned Having titian for rid of habeas corpus back in twenty ten that would have been during brock obama's presidency and that means his justice department was opposing That petition for rid of habeas corpus We found ourselves in a similar situation with our klein. Audela haroon goule His justice department Mr biden's president biden's justice department took the same position that president. Bush president obama's president trump's did we had biden he should Stop opposing these petitions of habeas corpus and begin releasing all of the uncharged men who remaining one time obey. Wanna thank marc mayer and gary thompson. Lawyers for at least two of the guantanamo prisoners. I made me goodman with one. Gonzalez stay say..

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"Their lives. We own the reparations us. We need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them in attempting to make the rest of their lives for more. We're joined by two lawyers representing these men. Gary thompsons and attorney in private practice. Who's worked on pro bono guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former guantanamo. Prisoner reveal men gaza off also with us mark mayor staff attorney for reprieve. Us who's represented six men in prison guantanamo including abdulatif nassir who has just released to morocco. Mark let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which he was just released. And what's happening to abdulatif nassar now. Absolutely thank you for having me. On the circumstances under which was released actually begin back in twenty sixteen as you said abdelatif. Nassir was held for close to two decades nineteen years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board which is a parole institution. That was set up. Under the a barack obama's presidency and his staff by six members of a federal agencies from the united states including the departments of defense homeland security and the joint chiefs of staff. They determined unanimously. That up to latif nassir posed no threat to the united states or anybody and determined that he should be released from guantanamo. Unfortunately this determination came quite late. In barack obama's presidency and the state department at that time defer to the next administration as we all know was the trump administration president trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing tahoe and in fact not transferring anyone out of guantanamo and largely kept that promise so even though up liffey nassir was cleared by senior civil servants from the us government. He had to sit and wait until the political will within the united states changed and as thrilled as we are that i'll not nassir is now out that he is back in morocco and his with his family and is trying to start a new life and is focused on the future of the fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that number and twenty-seven men are still there without charge or trial Waiting for the political will of this administration to change us up and mark may. Could you talk a little bit about how he came to end. Up in one-ton mojo. I was originally a captured and transferred to detain there. And why did he never received trial. Well i can say that. The reason why he never seemed to trial is the same reason. Why a twenty seven of those men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all they're being held essentially as prisoners of war ability. If nassir ended up in one tahoe the way. A lot of people ended up in guantanamo. There was a bounty program. Essentially that was being run in afghanistan and in pakistan. I believe i the number. I might be getting wrong. I believe what the balance is being offered for. P- turning over people to afghan-american pakistani authorities was close to five thousand dollars at the time which was a huge life changing amount of money and he. We happen to know. In a lot of cases of people who ended up guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there Or simply mistaken identity That's the case of another one of our clients who still detained. Guantanamo bay met rabbani the stories actually detailed in the senate torture report that he was detained. Mistakenly because the united states believed he was another man named hassan ghul he was severely tortured including techniques. That haven't been used since the spanish inquisition. The united states eventually actually detained mr hassan ghul at the same prison bog rem that Mister rabbani was being held at missiles. Strauss on goal was eventually released from there but now twenty years on a much like the situation that opt to latif nassir found him in just a month ago. Achmad rabbani remains there so sadly this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained and the colts have been growing for the biden administration to close guantanamo. A how could that be done. And do you think it's likely one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all twenty seven of the who have never been again charged with any crime or at the trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial This is especially true. In light of the fact that as well i think is your viewers and listeners will know the by administration has announced that the war in afghanistan is supposed to completely end By a i think mid august was the last Estimate that they had. And i believe earlier in the show We heard president biden saying that Combat troops will be exiting iraq by the end of the year. That says to me. I think to a lot of observers that the that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in guantanamo or ending If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these ben. This is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking moving these algae there is political will if they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question is what can the biden administration due to solve this problem. The question should be. What justification does the vitamin nistration. Still have to be detained. Be to be detaining. These people i wanna bring gary thompson into the conversation. The attorney who were pro bono for guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for reveal manga. Zaw who is a former guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story. And then where he's ended up today. How a started a quintana. Thank you very much. Redevelopment goddess office from an area in russia called tartar stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in late. One thousand nine hundred ninety s. He was a professional ballet dancer. then drafted into the russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby They attempted to Travel south only reveal. Made it across the border into jessica stan afghanistan and then pakistan where he was arrested in march two thousand and two. By pakistani police is mark. Mayor mentioned Also sold for bounty to united states authorities who took him to barroom took him to kandahar tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation and supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken guantanamo in october of two thousand and two where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus. And in two thousand ten. Here in dc where. I live judge. Henry kennedy issued the right of habeas corpus in order the united states government to release route reveal men gaza from gano. If believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a six-year kafka esque appellate cycle where he was not released and then in two thousand ten reveal also want a periodic review board. Hearing like mr nassar that mark mentioned and that same panel cleared reveal for release and then took the state department about six months to locate a country reveal to go to. He cannot go back to russia because russia has a record of killing or torturing a one quantum of detainees return to them so we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the united arab emirates where several other are. Dozen other ex detainees are also went it was always reveals dream to be in an arab country. He learned arabic lonzo. He understood arabic culture. Wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day reveal was on the last plane. Out on tottenham. Oh the day before donald trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged Something terrible We were promised by our state department. That the ui had promised them that Reveal would be released in six months that he would be treated humanely that he would be given job and a place to live in about six months time which is similar to the saudi program for expertise detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the uae lied to the united states government. These so-called diplomatic assurances were were simply allies and reveal along with about two dozen. Other men have suffered even more in. Uae prisons most notoriously our zine prison these now four and a half years and they're not permitted a review by international red cross or requests in they've been able to get out. Sporadic calls to their families With the help of reprieve where. Mr mayor works. The dots have been connected We know there's torture there we know there's mistreatment and the the men stuck in the uae like brazil. Had all said is worse than guantanamo worse than guantanamo is. So that's why with with eighteen men still there we call the uae gitmo yeast as opposed to get more west and with the numbers are dwindling. Now thirty nine eight with eighteen in the they're really a pair. An biden a serious about closing tano. He needs to in his state department. Needs to look into the concept of re resettlement. Look at people like revolt and guys off some of the gaps. Garrett josh if i can. I just wanted to ask you about this. Particular issue of the uae has gitmo of the east to your analysis. What has been the. Us government's reaction to basically offloading prisoners to another gulag totally complicit the uae past all these men often uae. And as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on. Those diplomatic assurances. We apparently our state department at least under donald trump just didn't care Didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that that our state department even now under the biden administration is really doing anything to remedy the situation in the uae. Some people in the state department of told us their quote working on or they're in touch with people in the uae. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to russia or in the case of the yemenis who are in the might take them back to yemen where they can suffer just wanted to remind people what joe biden said the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by pbs moderator michel cinder about closing one tano vice president biden wiping to close one obey. Why couldn't the obama administration close to close guantanamo bay. But you have to have congressional thirty to do. It kept it open. The fact is that we in fact it's the greatest hit an advertisement for it is an advertisement for creating terror the image of tonne around the world the fact of mark mayor your final words. The only thing that the only two things that i would add words to kind of hone in on something that gary was saying there He mentioned Having petition for rid of habeas corpus back in twenty ten that would have been during brock obama's presidency and that means his justice department was opposing That petition for rid of habeas corpus We found ourselves in a similar situation with our klein. Audela haroon goule His justice department Mr biden's president biden's justice department took the same position that president. Bush president obama's president trump's did we have biden he should Stop opposing these petitions of habeas corpus and begin releasing all of the uncharged men who remaining one tottenham obey. Wanna thank marc mayer and gary thompson. Lawyers for at least two of the guantanamo prisoners. I'm amy goodman with one. Gonzalez stay say..

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"Be to be detaining these people. I want to bring Gary Thompson into the conversation. The attorney who worked pro bono for Guantanamo. Prisoners and is the lead attorney for reveal magaza. Who is a former trying to move prisoner? Can you tell us his full story and then where he's ended up today how he started at Guantanamo? Yeah, thank you very much, revealment, guys office from an area in Russia called tartar, Stan, and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in late 1990s. He was a professional ballet dancer, then drafted into the Russian army, and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave Russia off and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby. They attempted to travel South own novel, made it across the border in Tajikistan and Afghanistan. And then Pakistan where he was arrested in March, 2002 by Pakistani police. And his Mark mayor mentioned also sold for bounty to United States authorities, who took them to Bagram, took them to qandahar and tortured him. He He suffered extreme interrogation and supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken to Guantanamo in October of two thousand, two years where he's suffered greatly from many years under harsh conditions and and sometimes solitary confinement eventually, he was permitted to have counsel which is when she came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus and in 2010 here in DC where I live, judge Henry, Kennedy issued the writ of habeas corpus and ordered the United States government to release revealment gossip from Guantanamo, believe it or not. Then went through a the case, then went through a six-year Kafka, ask a pellet cycle, where he was not released. And then in 2010 reveal also want to a periodic review board hearing like mr. Nasser that off. Mentioned and that same panel, cleared reveal for release. And then took the state department about six months to locate a country for reveal to go to, he cannot go back to Russia because Russia has a record of killing or torturing X Guantanamo, detainees return to them. So we thought it was our lucky day. When it was confirmed, that reveal could go to the United Arab Emirates, where several other or a dozen other. Detainees also went it was always reveal his dream to be an Arab country. He learned Arabic in Guantanamo, he understood Arabic culture, he wanted to be there and we really celebrated that day. Revealed was on the last plane out of Guantanamo, the day before Donald Trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged something terrible. We were promised by our state department wage At the UAE had promised them that revealed would be released in six months that he would be treated humanely that he would be given a job. And a place to live in about six months time which were similar to the Saudi program for X Guantanamo. Detainees it didn't, come to pass it. Turned out that the UAE lied to the United States government. These so-called diplomatic assurances were, were simply all life is and reveal along with about two. Dozen other men have suffered even more in UAE, prisons. Most notoriously the hours in prison with these now, 4 and 1/2 years and they're not permitted reviewed by the International Red Cross or Red Crescent. They've been able to get out sporadic calls to their families with the help of Creve where Mister mayor works the dots have been connected. We know there's torture there. We know there's mistreatment and the and the man stuck in the UAE like gravel hath. I'll said it's worse than Guantanamo worse than Guantanamo. So that, that's why with with eighteen men still there. We, we call the UAE get Mel East off as opposed to get my West and with the numbers had get mowed dwindling. Now 39 and 8 with 18 in the UAE they're they're really a pair and if biting a serious about closing Guantanamo, he needs to in his state department, needs to look into the concept of rear resettlement. Look at people like Ravel man. Goes off some of the Chinese Gary Thompson. I just wanted to ask you about this particular issue of the UAE as get more of the East to your knowledge. What has been the US, government's reaction to basically offloading. It's dead. Prisoners to another gulag Totally complicit the UAE past all these men off to the UAE, and as far as we know, did absolutely nothing to follow up on those automatic assurances. We apparently our state department at least under Donald Trump, just didn't care didn't care. That they were lied to and we've seen evidence that that our state department even now under the by the administration is really doing anything to remedy. The situation in the UAE some people in the same apartment of told us there, you know, quote working on it or they're in touch with people in the UAE but we're seeing nothing in the mean time. We're getting very, very scared that revealed might be rendered to Russia off or in the case of the yemenis who are in the UAE that their fate might take them back to Yemen where they could suffer. Just wanted to remind people what Joe Biden said. And the last Democrat Presidential debate when he was asked by PBS moderator. Michel sindoor about closing. One tana Mo. President Biden. Y connection closed, Guantanamo Bay, why can't the Obama Administration? Closed-off close, Guantanamo Bay. But you have to have Congressional authority to do it. They kept it open. And the fact is that we in fact think it's the greatest, it is an advertisement for for creating Terror. It is not an advertisement, for creating Terror, the image of Guantanamo around the world. The fact of it, Mark mayor your final words The only thing that the only two things that I would add were to kind of hone in on something that Gary was saying there, he mentioned having petition for writ of habeas corpus back in 2010 that would have been during Barack Obama's presidency and that means his justice department was opposing that petition for writ of habeas corpus. We found ourselves in a similar situation with our client asked her own Google. His justice department, mr. Biden's President Biden's, justice department took the same position that President Bush is President Obama's off and Trump said, ten seconds of what should be. I didn't get him. He should stop opposing these petitions for rent of habeas corpus and begin releasing. All of the uncharged men who were banging in Guantanamo Bay. We want to thank Mark mayor and Gary Thompson lawyers for, at least two of the Guantanamo prisoners. I mean, Juan Gonzalez, stay safe..

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"Comes as activists gathered last week in front of the cultural attache office for the united arab arafat's the arab emirates in washington. Dc to protest the planned rendition of former guantanamo prisoner. Reveal men gossip back to russia. He's currently being held in a uae prison after being released from guantanamo. In two thousand. Seventeen where he too was held without. Charge for fifteen years advocates. Say seventeen other former guantanamo prisoners are now locked up in the ua under inhumane conditions. This is helen sheet inger of witness against torture. He's with the rest of their lives. We own the reparations us. We need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them in attempting to make the rest of their lives for more. We're joined by two lawyers representing these men. Gary thompsons and attorney in private practice. Who's worked on pro bono guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former guantanamo. Prisoner reveal men. Gaza also with us mark mayor staff attorney for reprieve. Us who's represented six men in prison guantanamo including abdulatif nassir who has just released to morocco. Mark let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which he was just released. And what's happening to abdulatif nassar now. Absolutely thank you for having me. On the circumstances under which was released actually begin back in twenty sixteen as you said abdelatif. Nassir was held for close to two decades nineteen years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board which is a parole institution. That was set up. Under the a barack obama's presidency and his staff by six members of a federal agencies from the united states including the departments of defense homeland security and the joint chiefs of staff. They determined unanimously. That up to latif nassir posed no threat to the united states or anybody and determined that he should be released from guantanamo. Unfortunately this determination came quite late. In barack obama's presidency and the state department at that time defer to the next administration as we all know was the trump administration president trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing tahoe and in fact not transferring anyone out of guantanamo and largely kept that promise so even though up liffey nassir was cleared by senior civil servants from the us government. He had to sit and wait until the political will within the united states changed and as thrilled as we are that i'll not nassir is now out that he is back in morocco and his with his family and is trying to start a new life in his focused on. The future of the fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that number and twenty-seven men are still there without charge or trial Waiting for the political will of this administration to change us up and mark may. Could you talk a little bit about how he came to end. Up in one-ton mojo. I was originally a captured and transferred to detain there. And why did he never received trial. Well i can say that. That the reason why he never seemed to trial is the same reason. Why a twenty seven of those men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all they're being held essentially as prisoners of war ability. If nassir ended up in one tahoe the way. A lot of people ended up in guantanamo. There was a bounty program. Essentially that was being run in afghanistan and in pakistan. I believe i the number. I might be getting wrong. I believe what the balance is being offered for. P- turning over people to afghan-american pakistani authorities was close to five thousand dollars at the time which was a huge life changing amount of money and he. We happen to know. In a lot of cases of people who ended up guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there Or simply mistaken identity That's the case of another one of our clients who still detained. Guantanamo bay met rabbani the stories actually detailed in the senate torture report that he was detained. Mistakenly because the united states believed he was another man named hassan ghul he was severely tortured including techniques. That haven't been used since the spanish inquisition. The united states eventually actually detained mr hassan ghul at the same prison bog rem that Mister rabbani was being held at missiles. Strauss on goal was eventually released from there but now twenty years on a much like the situation that opt to latif nassir found him in just a month ago. Achmad rabbani remains there so sadly this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained and the colts have been growing for the biden administration to close guantanamo. A how could that be done. And do you think it's likely one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all twenty seven of the who have never been again charged with any crime or at trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial This is especially true. In light of the fact that as well i think is your viewers and listeners will know the by administration has announced that the war in afghanistan is supposed to completely end By a i think mid august was the last Estimate that they had. And i believe earlier in the show We heard president biden saying that Combat troops will be exiting iraq by the end of the year. That says to me. I think to a lot of observers that the that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in guantanamo or ending If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these ben. This is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking moving these algae there is political will if they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question is what can the biden administration due to solve this problem. The question should be. What justification does the vitamin nistration. Still have to be detained. Be to be detaining. These people i wanna bring gary thompson into the conversation. The attorney who were pro bono for guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for reveal manga. Zaw who is a former guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story. And then where he's ended up today. How a started at guantanamo. Thank you very much. Redevelopment goddess office from an area in russia called tartar stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in late. One thousand nine hundred ninety s. He was a professional ballet dancer. then drafted into the russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby They attempted to Travel south only reveal made it across the border into jika stan afghanistan and then pakistan where he was arrested in march. Two thousand and two by pakistani police is mark. Mayor mentioned Also sold for bounty to united states authorities who took him to barroom took him to kandahar tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation and supposedly confessed under duress Taken guantanamo in. October of two thousand. And two where. He suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions in sometimes solitary. Eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus. And in two thousand ten. Here in dc where. I live judge. Henry kennedy issued the right of habeas corpus in order the united states government to release route reveal men gaza from gano. If believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a six-year kafka esque appellate cycle where he was not released and then in two thousand ten reveal also want a periodic review board. Hearing like mr nassar that mark mentioned and that same panel cleared reveal for release and then took the state department about six months to locate a country reveal to go to. He cannot go back to russia because russia has a record of killing or torturing a one quantum of detainees return to them so we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the united arab emirates where several other are. Dozen other ex detainees also went it was always reveals dream to be in an arab country. He learned arabic lonzo. He understood arabic culture. Wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day reveal was on the last plane. Out on tottenham. Oh the day before donald trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged Something terrible We were promised by our state department. That the ui had promised them that Reveal would be released in six months that he would be treated humanely that he would be given job and a place to live in about six months time which is similar to the saudi program for expertise detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the uae lied to the united states government. These so-called diplomatic assurances were were simply allies and reveal along with about two dozen. Other men have suffered even more in. Uae prisons most notoriously our zine prison these now four and a half years and they're not permitted a review by international red cross or requests in they've been able to get out. Sporadic calls to their families With the help of reprieve where. Mr mayor works. The dots have been connected We know there's torture there we know there's mistreatment and the the men stuck in the uae like brazil. Had all said is worse than guantanamo worse than guantanamo is. So that's why with with eighteen men still there. We call the uae gitmo east as opposed to get more west and with the numbers dwindling now. Thirty nine eight with eighteen in the they're really a pair. An biden a serious about closing tano. He needs to in his state department. Needs to look into the concept of re resettlement. Look at people like revolt and guys off some of the gaps. Garrett josh if i can. I just wanted to ask you about this. Particular issue of the uae has gitmo of the east to your analysis What has been the. Us government's reaction to basically offloading gitmo prisoners to another gulag totally complicit the uae past. All these men often uae and as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on. Those diplomatic assurances. We apparently our state department at least under donald trump just didn't care Didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that that our state department even now under the biden administration is really doing anything to remedy the situation in the uae. Some people in the state department of told us their quote working on or they're in touch with people in the uae. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to russia or in the case of the yemenis who are in the might take them back to yemen where they can suffer just wanted to remind people what joe biden said the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by pbs moderator michel cinder about closing one tano vice president biden wiping to close one.

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"As activists gathered last week in front of the cultural attache office for the united arab arafat's the arab emirates in washington. Dc to protest the planned rendition of former guantanamo prisoner. Reveal men gossip back to russia. He's currently being held in a uae prison after being released from guantanamo. In two thousand. Seventeen where he too was held without. Charge for fifteen years advocates. Say seventeen other former guantanamo prisoners are now locked up in the way under inhumane conditions. This is helen sheet inger of witness against torture. He's the rest of their lives. We own the reparations us. We need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them in attempting to make the rest of their lives for more. We're joined by two lawyers representing these men. Gary thompsons and attorney in private practice. Who's worked on pro bono guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former guantanamo. Prisoner reveal men gaza off also with us mark mayor staff attorney for reprieve. Us who's represented six men in prison guantanamo including abdulatif nassir who has just released to morocco. Mark let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which he was just released. And what's happening to abdulatif nassar now. Absolutely thank you for having me. On the circumstances under which was released actually begin back in twenty sixteen as you said abdelatif. Nassir was held for close to two decades nineteen years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board which is a parole mike institution that was set up under the a barack obama's presidency and his staff by six members of a federal agencies from the united states including the departments of defense homeland security and the joint chiefs of staff. They determined unanimously. That up to latif nassir posed no threat to the united states or anybody and determined that he should be released from guantanamo. Unfortunately this determination came quite late. In barack obama's presidency and the state department at that time defer to the next administration as we all know was the trump administration president trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing tahoe and in fact not transferring anyone out of guantanamo and largely kept that promise so even though up liffey nassir was cleared by senior civil servants from the us government. He had to sit and wait until the political will within the united states changed and as thrilled as we are that i'll leave. Nassir is now out that he is back in morocco and his with his family and is trying to start a new life and is focused on the future of the fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that number and twenty-seven men are still there without charge or trial Waiting for the political will of this administration to change us up and mark may. Could you talk a little bit about how he came to end. Up in one-ton mojo. I was originally a captured and transferred to detain there. And why did he never received trial. Well i can say that. That the reason why he never seemed to trial is the same reason. Why a twenty seven of those men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all they're being held essentially as prisoners of war abdullatif. Nassir ended up. In one tahoe. The way a lot of people ended up in guantanamo. There was a bounty program. Essentially that was being run in afghanistan and in pakistan. I believe i the number. I might be getting wrong. I believe what the balance is being offered for. P- turning over people to afghan-american pakistani thirties was close to five thousand dollars at the time which was a huge life changing amount of money and he. We happen to know. In a lot of cases of people who ended up guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there Or simply mistaken identity That's the case of another one of our clients who still detained. Guantanamo bay met rabbani the stories actually detailed in the senate torture report that he was detained. Mistakenly because the united states believed he was another man named hassan ghul he was severely tortured including techniques. That haven't been used since the spanish inquisition. The united states eventually actually detained mr hassan ghul at the same prison bog rem that Mister rabbani was being held at missiles. Strauss on goal was eventually released from there but now twenty years on a much like the situation that opt to latif nassir found him in just a month ago. Achmad rabbani remains there so sadly this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained and the colts have been growing for the biden administration to close guantanamo. A how could that be done. And do you think it's likely one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all twenty seven of the who have never been again charged with any crime or at trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial This is especially true. In light of the fact that as well think is your viewers and listeners will know the by administration has announced that the war in afghanistan is supposed to completely end By a i think mid august was the last Estimate that they had. And i believe earlier in the show We heard president biden saying that Combat troops will be exiting iraq by the end of the year. That says to me. I think to a lot of observers that the that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in guantanamo or ending If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these ben. This is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking moving these algae there is political will if they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question is what can the biden administration due to solve this problem. The question should be. What justification does the vitamin nistration. Still have to be detained. Be to be detaining. These people i wanna bring gary thompson into the conversation. The attorney who were pro bono for guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for reveal manga. Zaw who is a former guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story. And then where he's ended up today. How a started a quintana. Thank you very much. Redevelopment goddess office from an area in russia called tartar stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in late. One thousand nine hundred ninety s. He was a professional ballet dancer. then drafted into the russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby They attempted to Travel south only reveal made it across the border into jika stan afghanistan and then pakistan where he was arrested in march. Two thousand and two by pakistani police is mark. Mayor mentioned Also sold for bounty to united states authorities who took him to barroom took him to kandahar tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation and supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken guantanamo in october of two thousand and two where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus. And in two thousand ten. Here in dc where. I live judge. Henry kennedy issued the right of habeas corpus in order the united states government to release route reveal men gaza from gano. If believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a six-year kafka esque appellate cycle where he was not released and then in two thousand ten reveal also want a periodic review board. Hearing like mr nassar that mark mentioned and that same panel cleared reveal for release and then took the state department about six months to locate a country reveal to go to. He cannot go back to russia because russia has a record of killing or torturing a one quantum of detainees return to them so we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the united arab emirates where several other are. Dozen other ex detainees are also went it was always reveals dream to be in an arab country. He learned arabic lonzo. He understood arabic culture. Wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day reveal was on the last plane. Out on tottenham. Oh the day before donald trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged Something terrible We were promised by our state department. That the ui had promised them that Reveal would be released in six months that he would be treated humanely that he would be given job and a place to live in about six months time which is similar to the saudi program for expertise detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the uae lied to the united states government. These so-called diplomatic assurances were were simply allies and reveal along with about two dozen. Other men have suffered even more in. Uae prisons most notoriously our zine prison these now four and a half years and they're not permitted a review by international red cross or requests in they've been able to get out. Sporadic calls to their families With the help of reprieve where. Mr mayor works. The dots have been connected We know there's torture there we know there's mistreatment and the the men stuck in the uae like brazil. Had all said is worse than guantanamo worse than guantanamo is. So that's why with with eighteen men still there we call the uae gitmo yeast as opposed to get more west and with the numbers are dwindling. Now thirty nine eight with eighteen in the they're really a pair. An biden a serious about closing tano. He needs to in his state department. Needs to look into the concept of re resettlement. Look at people like revolt and guys off some of the gaps. Garrett josh if i can. I just wanted to ask you about this. Particular issue of the uae has gitmo of the east to your analysis What has been the. Us government's reaction to basically offloading prisoners to another gulag totally complicit the uae past all these men often uae. And as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on. Those diplomatic assurances. We apparently our state department at least under donald trump just didn't care Didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that that our state department under the biden administration is really doing anything to remedy the situation in the uae. Some people in the state department of told us their quote working on or they're in touch with people in the uae. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to russia or in the case of the yemenis who are in the might take them back to yemen where they can suffer just wanted to remind people what joe biden said the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by pbs moderator michel cinder about closing one tano vice president biden wiping to.

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"Military prison in guantanamo bay cuba this month the first guantanamo prisoners to be released under the biden administration return to his home country of morocco. Fifty six year old abdulatif nassir was imprisoned for nearly two decades without charge and was cleared for release by the us military since two thousand sixteen there. Eighty nine prisoners remain at guantanamo. This comes as activists gathered last week in front of the cultural attache office for the united arab arafat's the arab emirates in washington. Dc to protest the planned rendition of former guantanamo. Chinook reveal men gossip back to russia. He's currently being held in a uae prison after being released from guantanamo. In two thousand. Seventeen where he too was held without. Charge for fifteen years advocates. Say seventeen other former guantanamo prisoners are now locked up in the way under inhumane conditions. This is helen sheet inger of witness against torture. He's the rest of their lives. We own the reparations us. We need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them in attempting to make the rest of their lives for more. We're joined by two lawyers representing these men. Gary thompsons and attorney in private practice. Who's worked on pro bono guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former guantanamo. Prisoner reveal men gaza off also with us mark mayor staff attorney for reprieve. Us who's represented six men in prison guantanamo including abdulatif nassir who has just released to morocco. Mark let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which he was just released. And what's happening to abdulatif nassar now. Absolutely thank you for having me. On the circumstances under which was released actually begin back in twenty sixteen as you said abdelatif. Nassir was held for close to two decades nineteen years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board which is a parole mike institution that was set up under the a barack obama's presidency and his staff by six members of a federal agencies from the united states including the departments of defense homeland security and the joint chiefs of staff. They determined unanimously. That up to latif nassir posed no threat to the united states or anybody and determined that he should be released from guantanamo. Unfortunately this determination came quite late in barack obama's presidency and the state department at that time defer to the next administration says we all know was the trump administration. President trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing tahoe. And in fact not transferring anyone out of guantanamo and largely kept that promise so even though up liffey nassir was cleared by senior civil servants from the us government. He had to sit and wait until the political will within the united states changed and as thrilled as we are that i'll not nassir is now out that he is back in morocco and his with his family and is trying to start a new life and is focused on the future of the fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that number and twenty-seven men are still there without charge or trial Waiting for the political will of this administration to change us up and mark may. Could you talk a little bit about how he came to end. Up in one-ton mojo. I was originally a captured and transferred to detain there. And why did he never received trial. Well i can say that. The reason why he never seemed to trial is the same reason. Why a twenty seven of those men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all they're being held essentially as prisoners of war abdullatif. Nassir ended up. In one tahoe. The way a lot of people ended up in guantanamo there was a bounty program essentially that was being run in afghanistan pakistan. I believe i the number. I might be getting wrong. I believe what the balance is being offered for. P- turning over people to afghan-american pakistani authorities was close to five thousand dollars at the time which was a huge life changing amount of money and he. We happen to know. In a lot of cases of people who ended up guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there Or simply mistaken identity That's the case of another one of our clients who still detained. Guantanamo bay met rabbani the stories actually detailed in the senate torture report that he was detained. Mistakenly because the united states believed he was another man named hassan ghul he was severely tortured including techniques. That haven't been used since the spanish inquisition. The united states eventually actually detained mr hassan ghul at the same prison bog rem that Mister rabbani was being held at missiles. Strauss on goal was eventually released from there but now twenty years on a much like the situation that opt to latif nassir found him in just a month ago. Achmad rabbani remains there so sadly this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained and the colts have been growing for the biden administration to close guantanamo. A how could that be done. And do you think it's likely one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all twenty seven of the who have never been again charged with any crime or at trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial This is especially true. In light of the fact that as well i think is your viewers and listeners will know the by administration has announced that the war in afghanistan is supposed to completely end By a i think mid august was the last Estimate that they had. And i believe earlier in the show We heard president biden saying that Combat troops will be exiting iraq by the end of the year. That says to me. I think to a lot of observers that the that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in guantanamo or ending If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these ben. This is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking moving these algae there is political will if they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question is what can the biden administration due to solve this problem. The question should be. What justification does the vitamin nistration. Still have to be detained. Be to be detaining. These people i wanna bring gary thompson into the conversation. The attorney who were pro bono for guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for reveal manga. Zaw who is a former guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story. And then where he's ended up today. How.

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"Us. When lion, this is democracy now, democracynow.org or the War and Peace report. I'm Amy Goodman with Juan Gonzalez as the United States imposes, new Cuba, sanctions, citing human rights abuses. We turned to look at the US military prison in Guantanamo, Bay Cuba this month. The first Guantanamo prisoner to be released under the Biden ministration returned to his home country of Morocco. Fifty six year old girl. Nasser was imprisoned for nearly two decades without charge and was cleared for release by the US military since 2016. With 39 prisoners, remain at Guantanamo. This comes as activists gathered last week in front of the cultural attache office for the United Arab Emirates, the Arab Emirates in Washington, DC, 2 Pro watch, The planned rendition, a former Guantanamo prisoners. Reveal man goes off back to Russia. He's currently being held in a UAE prison. After being released from Guantanamo in 2017, where he to, which held without charge for 15 years, Advocates say, 17, other former Guantanamo prisoners, are now locked up in the UAE office under inhumane conditions, this is Helen singer of witness Against torture torture. Well, no one after the rest of their lives. We are the preparations. We need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them and attempting to make the rest of their lives. For more, we're joined by two lawyers representing these men Gary, Thompson's an attorney in private practice who's worked on pro bono for Guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former Guantanamo. Prisoner faith in God's off. Also with us Mark. Mayor staff attorney for reprieve us who's represented, six men imprisoned at Guantanamo including Abdul Latif Nasser, who is just released back to Morocco. Mark, let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which he was just released. And what's happening to Abdul Latif natural now? Absolutely, thank you for having me on. So the circumstances under, which he was released actually begin back in 2016, as home, ability of Nasser was held for close to two decades nineteen years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board, which is a parole like Institution That was set up under the Barack Obama's presidency, and his staff by six members of federal agencies from the United States, including the Department of Defense Homeland Security. And The Joint Chiefs of Staff. They determined unanimously that Abdul Latif Nasser posed, no threat to the United States or anybody else and determined that he should be released from Guantanamo. Unfortunately, this determination came quite late in Barack Obama's presidency and the state department at that time, defer to the, the ministration says, we all know, was the Trump Administration. President Trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing on tan. Mm. Oh, and in fact, not transferring anyone out of Guantanamo Bay and largely kept to that promise. So even though Abdul Latif Nasser was cleared by senior, civil servants, from the US government, he had Set and wait until the political will within the United States changed. And as thrilled as we are that Abdul Latif Nasser is now out that he is back in Morocco and his with his family and is trying to start a new life and it's focused on the future. The fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that the number of and 27 them are still there without charge or trial of waiting for the political will of this Administration to change as well. And Mark Laird, could you talk a little bit about how he came to end up in Guantanamo? How how was he originally captured and transferred and detained there? And why I never receive a trial? Well, I can say that, that the reason why he never received a trial is the same reason. Why twenty-seven of the men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all. They're being held essentially as prisoners of War. Abdul Latif Nasser ended up in Guantanamo the way. A lot of people ended wage Guantanamo. There was a bounty program. Essentially that was being run in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I believe, I the number, I might be getting wrong, but I believe God, what the boundaries are being offered for turning over people to Afghan or American or Pakistani. Authorities was close to $5,000 at the time, which was a huge life-changing amount of money. And he, we happen to know in a lot of cases of people who ended up at Guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there. Are or simply mistaken identity. That's the case of another. One of our clients who was still detained at Guantanamo Bay Achmed Rabbani. The story is actually detailed in the Senate torture report that page was detained mistakenly because the United States believed. He was, another man named Hassan Ghul, he was severely tortured, including techniques that haven't been used since the Spanish Inquisition off the United States, eventually, actually detained, mr. Hassan Ghul at the same prison Bagram that mister Bonnie was being held at massage on Google was eventually released from there. But now twenty years on much like the situation that Abdul Latif Nasser found him in just a month ago. I met were Bonnie remains there. So sadly, this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained. And the calls have been growing for the Biden Administration to close once. Honorable, how could that be done? And do you think it's likely one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all twenty-seven of the men who had been again charged with any crime or at least a trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial. This is especially true in light of the fact that as wage I think as your viewers and listeners will know, the bite Administration has announced that the war in Afghanistan is supposed to completely End by. I think mid-august was the last estimate that they had. And I believe earlier in the show we heard President Biden saying that combat troops will be exiting Iraq by the end of the year that wage Is to me. And I think to a lot of observers that the, that the war is that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in Guantanamo or ending. If there was ever a right and just timed out to be releasing things been, this is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking from moving these been out, there is political will if they haven't been charged with anything, if they haven't Faith trial for anything. If the wars are over, then the question isn't, what can the Bible Administration do to solve this problem? The question should be, what just ke patient? Does the administration still have to be detaining?.

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07:28 min | 1 year ago

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"How he started at Guantanamo. Yeah thank you very much. Revealing God's office from an area in Russia called tartar Stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in the late 1990s he was a professional ballet dancer. Then drafted into the Russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave Russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby. They attempted to travel south only ravel made it across the border. Into Tajikistan Afghanistan and then Pakistan. Where he was arrested in March 2002 by Pakistani police and his mayor mentioned also sold for bounty. To United States authorities who took him to Bagram took him to Kandahar and tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation. And supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken to Guantanamo in October of 2002. Where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary confinement. Eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus and in 2010 here in D.C. where I live judge Henry Kennedy issued the writ of habeas corpus in order the United States government to release revealing Gaza from Guantanamo. Believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a 6 year Kafka esque appellate cycle. Where he was not released. And then in 2010 reveal also went through a periodic review board hearing like mister Nasser that Mark mentioned. And that same panel cleared reveal for release. And then took the State Department about 6 months to locate a country for reveal to go to. He can not go back to Russia because Russia has a record of killing or torturing ex Guantanamo detainees returned to them. So we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the United Arab Emirates where several other. Dozen other detainees also went. It was always reveals dream to be in an Arab country. He learned Arabic in Guantanamo. He understood Arabic culture. He wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day. Ravel was on the last plane out of Guantanamo the day before Donald Trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged something terrible. We were promised by our State Department. That the UAE had promised them that revealed would be released in 6 months that he would be treated humanely. That he would be given a job in a place to live in about 6 months time which is similar to the Saudi program for ex Guantanamo detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the UAE lied to the United States government. These so called diplomatic assurances were simply all lies and revel along with about two dozen other men have suffered even more in UAE prisons most notoriously the Al resin prison. These now four and a half years and they're not permitted review by the international Red Cross or Red Crescent. They've been able to get out sporadic calls to their families with the help of reprieve where mister mayor works the dots have been connected. We know there's torture there. We know there's mistreatment and the man stuck in the UAE like ravel have all said it's worse than Guantanamo. Worse than Guantanamo. So that's why with. 18 men still there we call the UAE gitmo east. As opposed to gitmo west and with the numbers that gitmo dwindling now to 39 and 8 with 18 in the UAE they're really a pair and if Biden is serious about closing Guantanamo. He needs to in his State Department needs to look into the concept of re re settlement look at people like revel in Godzilla some of the tiny Thompson Garrett Austin if I can. I just wanted to ask you about this particular issue of the UAE as gitmo of the east. To your knowledge what has been the U.S. government's reaction to basically offloading its gitmo prisoners to another gulag. Totally complicit. The UAE passed all these men off to the UAE and as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on those diplomatic assurances. Apparently our State Department at least under Donald Trump just didn't care didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that our State Department even now under the Biden administration is really doing anything. To remedy the situation in the UAE some people in the State Department have told us they're quote working on it or they're in touch with people in the UAE. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to Russia or in the case of the Yemenis who are in the UAE that their fate might take them back to Yemen where they could suffer from. I just wanted to remind people what Joe Biden said and the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by PBS moderator Michel Sundar about closing Guantanamo. Vice President Biden why couldn't you close Guantanamo Bay? Why couldn't the Obama administration close to close Guantanamo Bay? But you have to have congressional authority to do it. They've kept it open. And the fact is that we in fact think it's the greatest it is an advertisement for creating tear. It is an advertisement for creating terror. The image of Guantanamo around the world the fact of it. Mark mayor your final words. The only thing that the only two things that I would add were to kind of hone in on something that Gary was saying there he mentioned having petitioned for rid of habeas corpus back in 2010 that would have been during Barack Obama's presidency. And that means his Justice Department was opposing that petition for a writ of habeas corpus. We found ourselves in a similar situation with our clients ghoul. His Justice Department mister Biden's President Biden's Justice Department took the same position that president Bush's president Obama's president Trump's did. We have ten seconds. What should Biden do? He should stop opposing these petitions for writ of habeas corpus and begin releasing all of the uncharged men who remain in Guantanamo Bay. We want to thank Mark mayor and Gary Thompson lawyers for at least two of the Guantanamo prisoners. I'm Amy Goodman with Juan Gonzalez. Stay safe..

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15:07 min | 1 year ago

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"Release. By the U.S. Military since 2016. 39 prisoners remain at Guantanamo. This comes as activists gathered last week in front of the cultural attache office for the united. The Arab Emirates in Washington D.C. to protest the planned rendition of former Guantanamo prisoner revealing back to Russia. He's currently being held in a UAE prison after being released from Guantanamo in 2017 where he too was held without charge for 15 years. Advocates say 17 other former Guantanamo prisoners are now locked up in the UAE under inhumane conditions. This is Helen sheeting of witness against torture. They've been tortured. This man will live with that for the rest of their lives. We are the reparations we need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them in attempting to make the rest of their lives. Fulfilled. For more we're joined by two lawyers representing these men. Gary Thompson's an attorney and private practice who's worked on pro Bono for Guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former Guantanamo prisoner revealing Gaza. Also with us Mark mayor staff attorney for reprieve U.S. who's represented 6 men in prison at Guantanamo including Abdullah teeth Nasser who is just released to Morocco. Mark let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which. He was just released and what's happening to Abdullah thief Nasser now? Absolutely. Thank you for having me on so the circumstances under which she was released actually begin back in 2016. As you said if not sir was held for close to two decades 19 years without charge or trial he was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board which is a pearl like institution that was set up under the Barack Obama's presidency and his staff by 6 members of federal agencies from the United States including the departments of defense Homeland Security and the joint chiefs of staff. They determined unanimously that optimal Nasser posed no threat to the United States or anybody and determined that he should be released from Guantanamo. Unfortunately this determination came quite late in Barack Obama's presidency and the State Department at that time deferred to the administration as we all know was the Trump administration. President Trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing Guantanamo and in fact not transferring anyone out of Guantanamo and largely kept to that promise. So even though opted Nasser was cleared by senior civil servants from the U.S. government he had to sit and wait until the political will within the United States changed. And as thrilled as we are that optimal chief master is now out that he is back in Morocco and is with his family and is trying to start a new life and is focused on the future. The fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that a number of 27 men are still there without charge or trial waiting for the political will of this administration to change as well. And Mark Mayer could you talk a little bit about how he came to end up in Guantanamo? How was he originally. Captured and transferred and detained there? And why did he never receive a trial? Well I can say that the reason why he never received a trial is the same reason why 27 of those men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all. They're being held essentially as prisoners of war. Optimal teeth now ended up in Guantanamo the way a lot of people ended up in Guantanamo. There was a bounty program essentially that was being run in Afghanistan. And in Pakistan I believe. The number I might be getting wrong but I believe what the bounties were being offered for turning over people to Afghan or American or Pakistani authorities was close to $5000 at the time which was a huge life-changing amount of money. And. We happen to know in a lot of cases of people who ended up in Guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there or simply mistaken identity. That's the case of another one of our clients who was still detained at Guantanamo Bay. Ahmed Rabbani. The story is actually detailed in the Senate torture report that he was detained mistakenly because the United States believed he was another man named Hassan Ghul. He was severely tortured including techniques that haven't been used since the Spanish inquisition. The United States eventually actually detained mister Hassan Gul at the same prison Bagram that mister Rabbani was being held at. Mister Hassan gu was eventually released from there. But now 20 years on much like the situation that optimal teeth nos are found him in just a month ago Ahmed Rabbani remains there. So sadly this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained. And the calls have been growing for the Biden administration to close Guantanamo. How could that be done and do you think it's likely? Well one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all 27 of the men who have never been again charged with any crime or have faced a trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial. This is especially true in light of the fact that as I think as your viewers and listeners will know the Biden administration has announced that the war in Afghanistan is supposed to completely end by I think mid August was the last estimate that they had and I believe earlier in the show we heard President Biden saying that combat troops will be exiting Iraq by the end of the year. That says to me and I think to a lot of observers that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in Guantanamo are ending. If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these men this is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking from moving these out there is political will. If they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question isn't. What can the Biden administration do to solve this problem? The question should be what justification does the Biden administration still have to be taken to be detaining these people? I want to bring Gary Thompson into the conversation the attorney who worked pro Bono for Guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for revealing who is a former Guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story? And then where he's ended up today. How he started at Guantanamo. Yeah thank you very much. Revealing God's office from an area in Russia called tartar Stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in the late 1990s he was a professional ballet dancer. Then drafted into the Russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave Russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby. They attempted to travel south only ravelle made it across the border. Into Tajikistan Afghanistan and then Pakistan. Where he was arrested in March 2002 by Pakistani police and his mayor mentioned also sold for bounty. To the United States authorities who took him to Bagram took him to Kandahar and tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation. And supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken to Guantanamo in October of 2002. Where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary confinement. Eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus and in 2010 here in D.C. where I live judge Henry Kennedy issued the writ of habeas corpus in order the United States government to release revealing Gaza from Guantanamo. Believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a 6 year Kafka esque appellate cycle. Where he was not released. And then in 2010 reveal also went through a periodic review board hearing like mister Nasser that Mark mentioned. And that same panel cleared reveal for release. And then took the State Department about 6 months to locate a country for reveal to go to. He can not go back to Russia because Russia has a record of killing or torturing ex Guantanamo detainees return to them. So we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the United Arab Emirates where several other or dozen other detainees also went. It was always revealed his dream to be in an Arab country. He learned Arabic in Guantanamo. He understood Arabic culture. He wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day. Ravel was on the last plane out of Guantanamo the day before Donald Trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged something terrible. We were promised by our State Department. That the UAE had promised them that revealed would be released in 6 months that he would be treated humanely. That he would be given a job in a place to live in about 6 months time which is similar to the Saudi program for exploit time of detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the UAE lied to the United States government. These so called diplomatic assurances were simply all lies and revel along with about two dozen other men have suffered even more in UAE prisons most notoriously the Al regime prison. These now four and a half years and they're not permitted review by the international Red Cross or Red Crescent. They've been able to get out sporadic calls to their families with the help of reprieve where mister mayor works. The dots have been connected. We know there's torture there. We know there's mistreatment and the man stuck in the UAE like ravel have all said it's worse than Guantanamo. Worse than Guantanamo. So that's why with. 18 men still there we call the UAE gitmo east. As opposed to gitmo west and with the numbers that gitmo dwindling now to 39 and 8 with 18 in the UAE they're really a pair and if Biden is serious about closing Guantanamo. He needs to in his State Department needs to look into the concept of re resettlement look at people like revel mango off some of the tiny. Garrett if I can. I just wanted to ask you about this particular issue of the UAE as gitmo of the east. To your knowledge what has been the U.S. government's reaction to basically offloading its gitmo prisoners to another gulag. Totally complicit. The UAE passed all these men off to the UAE and as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on those diplomatic assurances. Apparently our State Department at least under Donald Trump just didn't care didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that our State Department even now under the Biden administration is really doing anything. To remedy the situation in the UAE some people in the State Department have told us they're working on it or they're in touch with people in the UAE. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to Russia or in the case of the Yemenis who are in the UAE that their fate might take them back to Yemen where they could suffer from. I just wanted to remind people what Joe Biden said and the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by PBS moderator Michel sundor about closing Guantanamo. Vice President Biden why couldn't you close Guantanamo Bay? Why couldn't the Obama administration closed? Closed Guantanamo Bay but you have to have congressional authority to do it. They've kept it open. And the fact is that we in fact think it's the greatest it is an advertisement for creating tear. It is an advertisement for creating terror. The image of Guantanamo around the world the fact of it. Mark mayor your final words. The only thing that the only two things that I would add were to kind of hone in on something that Gary was saying there he mentioned having petitioned for rid of habeas corpus back in 2010 that would have been during Barack Obama's presidency. And that means his Justice Department was opposing that petition for a writ of habeas corpus. We found ourselves in a similar situation with our client asado harun Gul. His Justice Department mister Biden's President Biden's Justice Department took the same position that president Bush's president Obama's president Trump did. We have ten seconds. What should Biden do? He should stop opposing these petitions for writ of habeas corpus and begin releasing all.

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08:18 min | 1 year ago

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"That says to me and I think to a lot of observers that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in Guantanamo are ending. If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these men this is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking from moving these out there is political will. If they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question isn't. What can the Biden administration do to solve this problem? The question should be what justification does the Biden administration still have to be taken to be detaining these people? I want to bring Gary Thompson into the conversation the attorney who worked pro Bono for Guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for revealing who is a former Guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story? And then where he's ended up today. How he started at Guantanamo. Yeah thank you very much. Revealing God's office from an area in Russia called tartar Stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in the late 1990s he was a professional ballet dancer. Then drafted into the Russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave Russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby. They attempted to travel south only ravelle made it across the border. Into Tajikistan Afghanistan and then Pakistan. Where he was arrested in March 2002 by Pakistani police and his mayor mentioned also sold for bounty. To the United States authorities who took him to Bagram took him to Kandahar and tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation. And supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken to Guantanamo in October of 2002. Where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary confinement. Eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus and in 2010 here in D.C. where I live judge Henry Kennedy issued the writ of habeas corpus in order the United States government to release revealing Gaza from Guantanamo. Believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a 6 year Kafka esque appellate cycle. Where he was not released. And then in 2010 reveal also went through a periodic review board hearing like mister Nasser that Mark mentioned. And that same panel cleared reveal for release. And then took the State Department about 6 months to locate a country for reveal to go to. He can not go back to Russia because Russia has a record of killing or torturing ex Guantanamo detainees return to them. So we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the United Arab Emirates where several other or dozen other detainees also went. It was always revealed his dream to be in an Arab country. He learned Arabic in Guantanamo. He understood Arabic culture. He wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day. Ravel was on the last plane out of Guantanamo the day before Donald Trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged something terrible. We were promised by our State Department. That the UAE had promised them that revealed would be released in 6 months that he would be treated humanely. That he would be given a job in a place to live in about 6 months time which is similar to the Saudi program for exploit time of detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the UAE lied to the United States government. These so called diplomatic assurances were simply all lies and revel along with about two dozen other men have suffered even more in UAE prisons most notoriously the Al regime prison. These now four and a half years and they're not permitted review by the international Red Cross or Red Crescent. They've been able to get out sporadic calls to their families with the help of reprieve where mister mayor works. The dots have been connected. We know there's torture there. We know there's mistreatment and the man stuck in the UAE like ravel have all said it's worse than Guantanamo. Worse than Guantanamo. So that's why with. 18 men still there we call the UAE gitmo east. As opposed to gitmo west and with the numbers that gitmo dwindling now to 39 and 8 with 18 in the UAE they're really a pair and if Biden is serious about closing Guantanamo. He needs to in his State Department needs to look into the concept of re resettlement look at people like revel mango off some of the tiny. Garrett if I can. I just wanted to ask you about this particular issue of the UAE as gitmo of the east. To your knowledge what has been the U.S. government's reaction to basically offloading its gitmo prisoners to another gulag. Totally complicit. The UAE passed all these men off to the UAE and as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on those diplomatic assurances. Apparently our State Department at least under Donald Trump just didn't care didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that our State Department even now under the Biden administration is really doing anything. To remedy the situation in the UAE some people in the State Department have told us they're working on it or they're in touch with people in the UAE. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to Russia or in the case of the Yemenis who are in the UAE that their fate might take them back to Yemen where they could suffer from. I just wanted to remind people what Joe Biden said and the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by PBS moderator Michel sundor about closing Guantanamo. Vice President Biden why couldn't you close Guantanamo Bay? Why couldn't the Obama administration closed? Closed Guantanamo Bay but you have to have congressional authority to do it. They've kept it open. And the fact is that we in fact think it's the greatest it is an advertisement for creating tear. It is an advertisement for creating terror. The image of Guantanamo around the world the fact of it. Mark mayor your final words. The only thing that the only two things that I would add were to kind of hone in on something that Gary was saying there he mentioned having petitioned for rid of habeas corpus back in 2010 that would have been during Barack Obama's presidency. And that means his Justice Department was opposing that petition for a writ of habeas corpus. We found ourselves in a similar situation with our client asado harun Gul. His Justice Department mister Biden's President Biden's Justice Department took the same position that president Bush's president Obama's president Trump did. We have ten seconds. What should Biden do? He should stop opposing these petitions for writ of habeas corpus and begin releasing all.

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08:18 min | 1 year ago

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"That says to me and I think to a lot of observers that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in Guantanamo are ending. If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these men this is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking from moving these out there is political will. If they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question isn't. What can the Biden administration do to solve this problem? The question should be what justification does the Biden administration still have to be taken to be detaining these people? I want to bring Gary Thompson into the conversation the attorney who worked pro Bono for Guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for revealing who is a former Guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story? And then where he's ended up today. How he started at Guantanamo. Yeah thank you very much. Revealing God's office from an area in Russia called tartar Stan and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in the late 1990s he was a professional ballet dancer. Then drafted into the Russian army and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave Russia and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby. They attempted to travel south only ravelle made it across the border. Into Tajikistan Afghanistan and then Pakistan. Where he was arrested in March 2002 by Pakistani police and his mayor mentioned also sold for bounty. To the United States authorities who took him to Bagram took him to Kandahar and tortured him. He suffered extreme interrogation. And supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken to Guantanamo in October of 2002. Where he suffered greatly for many years under harsh conditions and sometimes solitary confinement. Eventually he was permitted to have counsel which is where we came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus and in 2010 here in D.C. where I live judge Henry Kennedy issued the writ of habeas corpus in order the United States government to release revealing Gaza from Guantanamo. Believe it or not it then went through the case then went through a 6 year Kafka esque appellate cycle. Where he was not released. And then in 2010 reveal also went through a periodic review board hearing like mister Nasser that Mark mentioned. And that same panel cleared reveal for release. And then took the State Department about 6 months to locate a country for reveal to go to. He can not go back to Russia because Russia has a record of killing or torturing ex Guantanamo detainees return to them. So we thought it was our lucky day when it was confirmed that reveal could go to the United Arab Emirates where several other or dozen other detainees also went. It was always revealed his dream to be in an Arab country. He learned Arabic in Guantanamo. He understood Arabic culture. He wanted to be there. And we really celebrated that day. Ravel was on the last plane out of Guantanamo the day before Donald Trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged something terrible. We were promised by our State Department. That the UAE had promised them that revealed would be released in 6 months that he would be treated humanely. That he would be given a job in a place to live in about 6 months time which is similar to the Saudi program for exploit time of detainees. It didn't come to pass. It turned out that the UAE lied to the United States government. These so called diplomatic assurances were simply all lies and revel along with about two dozen other men have suffered even more in UAE prisons most notoriously the Al regime prison. These now four and a half years and they're not permitted review by the international Red Cross or Red Crescent. They've been able to get out sporadic calls to their families with the help of reprieve where mister mayor works. The dots have been connected. We know there's torture there. We know there's mistreatment and the man stuck in the UAE like ravel have all said it's worse than Guantanamo. Worse than Guantanamo. So that's why with. 18 men still there we call the UAE gitmo east. As opposed to gitmo west and with the numbers that gitmo dwindling now to 39 and 8 with 18 in the UAE they're really a pair and if Biden is serious about closing Guantanamo. He needs to in his State Department needs to look into the concept of re resettlement look at people like revel mango off some of the tiny. Garrett if I can. I just wanted to ask you about this particular issue of the UAE as gitmo of the east. To your knowledge what has been the U.S. government's reaction to basically offloading its gitmo prisoners to another gulag. Totally complicit. The UAE passed all these men off to the UAE and as far as we know did absolutely nothing to follow up on those diplomatic assurances. Apparently our State Department at least under Donald Trump just didn't care didn't care that they were lied to. And we've seen no evidence that our State Department even now under the Biden administration is really doing anything. To remedy the situation in the UAE some people in the State Department have told us they're working on it or they're in touch with people in the UAE. But we're seeing nothing and in the meantime we're getting very very scared that reveal might be rendered to Russia or in the case of the Yemenis who are in the UAE that their fate might take them back to Yemen where they could suffer from. I just wanted to remind people what Joe Biden said and the last democratic presidential debate when he was asked by PBS moderator Michel sundor about closing Guantanamo. Vice President Biden why couldn't you close Guantanamo Bay? Why couldn't the Obama administration closed? Closed Guantanamo Bay but you have to have congressional authority to do it. They've kept it open. And the fact is that we in fact think it's the greatest it is an advertisement for creating tear. It is an advertisement for creating terror. The image of Guantanamo around the world the fact of it. Mark mayor your final words. The only thing that the only two things that I would add were to kind of hone in on something that Gary was saying there he mentioned having petitioned for rid of habeas corpus back in 2010 that would have been during Barack Obama's presidency. And that means his Justice Department was opposing that petition for a writ of habeas corpus. We found ourselves in a similar situation with our client asado harun Gul. His Justice Department mister Biden's President Biden's Justice Department took the same position that president Bush's president Obama's president Trump did. We have ten seconds. What should Biden do? He should stop opposing these petitions for writ of habeas corpus and begin releasing all.

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13:41 min | 1 year ago

"periodic review board" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio

"Front of the cultural attache office for the United Arab Emirates, the Arab Emirates in Washington, DC, 2 Pro watch, The planned rendition, a former Guantanamo prisoners. Reveal man goes off back to Russia. He's currently being held in a UAE prison. After being released from Guantanamo in 2017, where he to, which held without charge for 15 years, Advocates say, 17, other former Guantanamo prisoners, are now locked up in the UAE office under inhumane conditions, this is Helen singer of witness Against torture torture. Well, no one after the rest of their lives. We are the preparations. We need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them and attempting to make the rest of their lives. For more, we're joined by two lawyers representing these men Gary, Thompson's an attorney in private practice who's worked on pro bono for Guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former Guantanamo. Prisoner faith in God's off. Also with us Mark. Mayor staff attorney for reprieve us who's represented, six men imprisoned at Guantanamo including Abdul Latif Nasser, who is just released back to Morocco. Mark, let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which he was just released. And what's happening to Abdul Latif natural now? Absolutely, thank you for having me on. So the circumstances under, which he was released actually begin back in 2016, as home, ability of Nasser was held for close to two decades nineteen years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board, which is a parole like Institution That was set up under the Barack Obama's presidency, and his staff by six members of federal agencies from the United States, including the Department of Defense Homeland Security. And The Joint Chiefs of Staff. They determined unanimously that Abdul Latif Nasser posed, no threat to the United States or anybody else and determined that he should be released from Guantanamo. Unfortunately, this determination came quite late in Barack Obama's presidency and the state department at that time, defer to the, the ministration says, we all know, was the Trump Administration. President Trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing on tan. Mm. Oh, and in fact, not transferring anyone out of Guantanamo Bay and largely kept to that promise. So even though Abdul Latif Nasser was cleared by senior, civil servants, from the US government, he had Set and wait until the political will within the United States changed. And as thrilled as we are that Abdul Latif Nasser is now out that he is back in Morocco and his with his family and is trying to start a new life and it's focused on the future. The fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that the number of and 27 them are still there without charge or trial of waiting for the political will of this Administration to change as well. And Mark Laird, could you talk a little bit about how he came to end up in Guantanamo? How how was he originally captured and transferred and detained there? And why I never receive a trial? Well, I can say that, that the reason why he never received a trial is the same reason. Why twenty-seven of the men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all. They're being held essentially as prisoners of War. Abdul Latif Nasser ended up in Guantanamo the way. A lot of people ended wage Guantanamo. There was a bounty program. Essentially that was being run in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I believe, I the number, I might be getting wrong, but I believe God, what the boundaries are being offered for turning over people to Afghan or American or Pakistani. Authorities was close to $5,000 at the time, which was a huge life-changing amount of money. And he, we happen to know in a lot of cases of people who ended up at Guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there. Are or simply mistaken identity. That's the case of another. One of our clients who was still detained at Guantanamo Bay Achmed Rabbani. The story is actually detailed in the Senate torture report that page was detained mistakenly because the United States believed. He was, another man named Hassan Ghul, he was severely tortured, including techniques that haven't been used since the Spanish Inquisition off the United States, eventually, actually detained, mr. Hassan Ghul at the same prison Bagram that mister Bonnie was being held at massage on Google was eventually released from there. But now twenty years on much like the situation that Abdul Latif Nasser found him in just a month ago. I met were Bonnie remains there. So sadly, this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained. And the calls have been growing for the Biden Administration to close once. Honorable, how could that be done? And do you think it's likely one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all twenty-seven of the men who had been again charged with any crime or at least a trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial. This is especially true in light of the fact that as wage I think as your viewers and listeners will know, the bite Administration has announced that the war in Afghanistan is supposed to completely End by. I think mid-august was the last estimate that they had. And I believe earlier in the show we heard President Biden saying that combat troops will be exiting Iraq by the end of the year that wage As to me and I think to a lot of observers that the that the war is that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in Guantanamo or ending, if there was ever a right and just time to be releasing things been, this is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking from moving these been out, there is political will if they haven't been charged with anything, if they haven't Faith trial for anything. If the wars are over, then the question isn't, what can the Bible Administration do to solve this problem? The question should be, what just wage patient does the administration still have to be detail? Be to be detaining these people. I want to bring Gary Thompson into the conversation. The attorney who worked pro bono for Guantanamo. Prisoners and is the lead attorney for reveal magaza. Who is a former trying to move prisoner? Can you tell us his full story and then where he's ended up today how he started at Guantanamo? Yeah, thank you very much, revealment, guys office from an area in Russia called tartar, Stan, and he began to practice his chosen religion freely in late 1990s. He was a professional ballet dancer, then drafted into the Russian army, and came to a point in his life where he decided he wanted to leave Russia off and flee religious persecution simply to live a life of religious freedom with his wife and then young baby. They attempted to travel South own novel, made it across the border in Tajikistan and Afghanistan. And then Pakistan where he was arrested in March, 2002 by Pakistani police. And his Mark mayor mentioned also sold for bounty to United States authorities, who took them to Bagram, took them to qandahar and tortured him. He He suffered extreme interrogation and supposedly confessed under duress. He was then taken to Guantanamo in October of two thousand, two years where he's suffered greatly from many years under harsh conditions and and sometimes solitary confinement eventually, he was permitted to have counsel which is what she came in and we filed a petition for habeas corpus and in 2010 here, in DC where I live, judge Henry, Kennedy issued the writ of habeas corpus and ordered the United States government to release revealment gossip from Guantanamo, believe it or not. Then went through a the case, then went through a six-year Kafka ask appellate cycle, where he was not released and then in 2010 reveal also want to a periodic review board hearing like mr. Nasser that off. Mentioned and that same panel, cleared reveal for release. And then took the state department about six months to locate a country for reveal to go to, he cannot go back to Russia because Russia has a record of killing or torturing X Guantanamo, detainees return to them. So we thought it was our lucky day. When it was confirmed, that reveal could go to the United Arab Emirates, where several other or a dozen other. Detainees also went it was always reveal his dream to be an Arab country. He learned Arabic in Guantanamo, he understood Arabic culture, he wanted to be there and we really celebrated that day. Revealed was on the last plane out of Guantanamo, the day before Donald Trump was inaugurated. So it really felt like we had dodged something terrible. We were promised by our state department wage At the UAE had promised them that revealed would be released in six months that he would be treated humanely that he would be given a job. And a place to live in about six months time which were similar to the Saudi program for X Guantanamo. Detainees it didn't, come to pass it. Turned out that the UAE lied to the United States government. These so-called diplomatic assurances were, were simply all life is and reveal along with about two. Dozen other men have suffered even more in UAE, prisons. Most notoriously the hours in prison with these now, four and half years and they're not permitted reviewed by the International Red Cross or Red Crescent. They've been able to get out sporadic calls to their families with the help of Creve where Mister mayor works the dots have been connected. We know there's torture there. We know there's mistreatment and the the man stuck in the UAE like gravel hath. I'll said it's worse than Guantanamo worse than Guantanamo. So that, that's why with with eighteen men still there. We, we call the UAE get Mel East off as opposed to get my West and with the numbers had get mowed dwindling. Now 39 and 8 with 18 in the UAE they're they're really a pair and if biting a serious about closing Guantanamo, he needs to in his state department, needs to look into the concept of rear resettlement. Look at people like Ravel man. Goes off some of the Chinese Gary Thompson. I just wanted to ask you about this particular issue of the UAE as get more of the East to your knowledge. What has been the US, government's reaction to basically offloading. It's dead. Prisoners to another gulag Totally complicit the UAE past all these men off to the UAE, and as far as we know, did absolutely nothing to follow up on those automatic assurances. We apparently our state department at least under Donald Trump, just didn't care didn't care. That they were lied to and we've seen evidence that that our state department even now under the by the administration is really doing anything to remedy. The situation in the UAE some people in the same Department of told us there, you know, quote working on it or they're in touch with people in the UAE. But we're seeing nothing in the meantime, we're getting very, very scared that revealed might be rendered to Russia off or in the case of the yemenis who are in the UAE that their fate might take them back to Yemen where they could suffer. Just wanted to remind people what Joe Biden said. And the last Democrat Presidential debate when he was asked by PBS moderator. Michel sindoor about closing. One tana Mo President.

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08:23 min | 1 year ago

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"Is democracy now democracy now dot org the war and peace report. I'm Amy Goodman with Juan Gonzalez. As the United States imposes new Cuba sanctions citing human rights abuses. We turn to look at the U.S. Military prison in Guantanamo Bay Cuba. This month the first Guantanamo prisoner to be released under the Biden administration returned to his home country of Morocco. 56 year old Abdullah thief Nasser was imprisoned for nearly two decades without charge and was cleared for release. By the U.S. Military since 2016. 39 prisoners remain at Guantanamo. This comes as activists gathered last week in front of the cultural attache office for the United. Arab Emirates in Washington D.C. to protest the planned rendition of former Guantanamo prisoner revealing back to Russia. He's currently being held in a UAE prison after being released from Guantanamo in 2017 where he too was held without charge for 15 years. Advocates say 17 other former Guantanamo prisoners are now locked up in the UAE under inhumane conditions. This is Helen qinger of witness against torture. They've been tortured. This man will live with that for the rest of their lives. We are the reparations we need to make sure that they are in good situations and continue to follow them and support them in attempting to make the rest of their lives. Fulfilled. For more we're joined by two lawyers representing these men. Gary Thompson's an attorney and private practice who's worked on pro Bono for Guantanamo prisoners. He's the lead attorney for former Guantanamo prisoner revealing Gaza. Also with us Mark mayor staff attorney for reprieve U.S. who's represented 6 men in prison to Guantanamo including Abdul latif Nasser who is just released to Morocco. Mark let's begin with you. Can you tell us the circumstances under which. He was just released and what's happening to Abdullah thief Nasser now? Absolutely. Thank you for having me on so the circumstances under which she was released actually began back in 2016. As you said was held for close to two decades 19 years without charge or trial. He was actually cleared for release by the periodic review board which is a pearl like institution that was set up under the Barack Obama's presidency and his staff by 6 members of federal agencies from the United States including the departments of defense Homeland Security and the joint chiefs of staff. They determined unanimously that optimal pose no threat to the United States or anybody and determined that he should be released from Guantanamo. Unfortunately this determination came quite late in Barack Obama's presidency and the State Department at that time deferred to the administration since we all know was the Trump administration. President Trump had campaigned on the idea of not closing Guantanamo and in fact not transferring anyone out of Guantanamo and largely kept to that promise. So even though opted Nasser was cleared by senior civil servants from the U.S. government he had to sit and wait until the political will within the United States changed. And as thrilled as we are that optimal chief master is now out that he is back in Morocco and is with his family and is trying to start a new life and is focused on the future. The fact remains that he lost close to two decades of his life and that a number of 27 men are still there without charge or trial waiting for the political will of this administration to change as well. And Mark mayor could you talk a little bit about how he came to end up in Guantanamo? How was he originally. Captured and transferred and detained there? And why did he never receive a trial? Well I can say that the reason why he never received a trial is the same reason why 27 of those men haven't received a trial either and that's because they have never faced any kind of charges at all. They're being held essentially as prisoners of war. If Nasser ended up in Guantanamo the way a lot of people ended up in Guantanamo. There was a bounty program essentially that was being run in Afghanistan. And in Pakistan I believe. The number I might be getting wrong but I believe what the bounties were being offered for turning over people to Afghan or American or Pakistani authorities was close to $5000 at the time which was a huge life-changing amount of money. And. We happen to know in a lot of cases of people who ended up in Guantanamo that they were the result of people lying about the people who ended up there or simply mistaken identity. That's the case of another one of our clients who was still detained at Guantanamo Bay Ahmed Rabbani. The story is actually detailed in the Senate torture report that he was detained mistakenly because the United States believed he was another man named Hassan Gul. He was severely tortured including techniques that haven't been used since the Spanish inquisition. The United States eventually actually detained mister Hassan Gould at the same prison Bagram that mister rabani was being held at. Mister Hassan Gul was eventually released from there. But now 20 years on much like the situation that optimal teeth nos are found him in just a month ago Ahmed Rabbani remains there. So sadly this is a situation that we've seen repeated for a number of the men who are still detained. And the calls have been growing for the Biden administration to close Guantanamo. How could that be done and do you think it's likely? Well one of the easiest ways is to begin with releasing the ten men who have been cleared for transfer and working to release all 27 of the men who have never been again charged with any crime or have faced a trial. It's unlikely that any of those men will ever face any trial. This is especially true in light of the fact that as I think as your viewers and listeners will know the Biden administration has announced that the war in Afghanistan is supposed to completely end by I think mid August was the last estimate that they had and I believe earlier in the show we heard President Biden saying that combat troops will be exiting Iraq by the end of the year. That says to me and I think to a lot of observers that the wars that led to these people being wrongly imprisoned in Guantanamo are ending. If there was ever a right and just time to be releasing these man this is the time to do it. The only thing that might be lacking from moving these Ben out of there is political will. If they haven't been charged with anything if they haven't faced trial for anything if the wars are over then the question isn't. What can the Biden administration do to solve this problem? The question should be what justification does the Biden administration still have to take DT to be detaining these people? I want to bring Gary Thompson into the conversation the attorney who worked pro Bono for Guantanamo prisoners and is the lead attorney for revealing who is a former Guantanamo prisoner. Can you tell us his full story? And then where he's ended up today..

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08:41 min | 1 year ago

"periodic review board" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"Not anymore. I mean i think i think the most ardent defenders of the military commissions have shifted to y if they were properly designed. It'd be okay right. Basically have shifted back to arguments about why they're legally permissible. I think everyone accepts even begrudgingly that the current circumstances is is is problematic but legally permissible is a very different question than functioning. Well of course it is then those. Those of us who believed in the idea of military commissions did so because the argument was and we were wrong that they were both legally permissible and provided certain advantages over federal regular old federal courts for certain categories of counter terrorism cases. That second half leave aside whether the first half was right. That second half of the argument was simply wrong and nothing. That's happened over. The past twenty years provides an eye oda of support for it and i. I don't know anybody serious. Who doesn't accept that at this point. I'd be curious what general martin's things I mean he's serious But but i'll just haven't been it's worth taking a minute to talk about. Why right yes. We can all accept. The commission's have failed or at least they're at a point where they are where they are mired in the mud as a policy matter. I think it would be. I'd be derelict. If i didn't say at least a little bit about why that's true. And i think some of that is just bad institutional design you already alluded to my love for the court of military commission review of court that so far as i can tell served exactly zero purpose except to slow things down but you know i i i just i know i'm beating a dead horse here but also look at nashiri. I mean the latest brouhaha is we're back to the original sin which is torture that if the government were. I said this as so often on on the national security podcast. I can't even remember how offense like if the government were willing to take the death penalty off the in the nine eleven case tick the death penalty off the table in the sheree and stop trying to rely on evidence obtained from the cia. This would go a lot faster and you know i. There's there's a tendency on the part of governments lawyers and some of the military commission judges to blame defense lawyers for litigating every issue for raising every objection with all respect. That is their job right. If the government wanted this to be a success the government and not the defense lawyers have has the means of doing. So it's just it just would require the government to make choices that to this point it has been unwilling to make that well and and i would say more fundamentally even than that if you replayed this tape in federal court defense lawyers would do exactly the same thing they raise every issue they would make every possible jackson and not take twenty years to litigate the thing because because because because federal judges are better are better at this and they are more competent this and they would not be doing everything was a matter of first impression so if i'm curious for your you've been ambient aware of the military commission side of guantanamo but your guy was never in it. How does it seem to you. Does it seem like this kind of crazy side. Show that it that affects ultimately a small number of the of the detainees. Well of relatively large number of the remaining detainees but like habit you know from the point of view who followed really closely somebody who was not in the system. What is too well in a way. Yeah i i. It's sort of a i feel like they're just different flavors of dysfunctional here. The way that ability nassir kind of was ushered through this periodic review board system. I think it definitely sounds better than system. All these other detainees are going through this military commission system but it also had its own kind of challenges and issues and problems. But i think it was like those were like sort of surmountable in hannibal handleable problems. But but but it is to me. I think it was the thing that steve was saying earlier like this is this is reinventing the wheel. It seems so arduous. It seems like a and that would be if again as chief said like if if torture wasn't even involved this would be a very arduous process and then to add something that is I'm not a lawyer. But i this phrase raw. remember the What is the fruit of the poison tree or like like to me. There's it's like you're trying to do too immensely hard things at once. It's like the thing. I image i have of the. Have you guys ever seen those videos of the the cars that are on two wheels in trying to change the tires on two wheels like that kind of thing like it's like why would you do both of these things at the same time. It already seems so difficult and this already seems so kind of legally precarious politically dicey. Like there's like it's just it's it just seems like this impossible corner that the government has painted itself into. I think that's largely right. And say here is and this is why i've been. I've been trying look for signals from the biden administration that we're in for anything other than the end of the obama administration and to be perfectly honest so far. I haven't seen much you know. I'm in transferring transplant op. Nassir is as as we've said like you know that was just cleaning up a mess. That should have been cleaned up in two thousand seventeen. You know. i haven't seen the by. The administration expend any capital on any of the proposals. That are out there to actually make minimal progress on the military commission side for example trying to actually see if any of the defendants will agree to plead guilty by video conference in civilian court. Which is something that you know had been floated a lot during the bondage. Even for early period the trump administration no political capital in trying to push the democratic controlled congress to finally get rid of the domestic transfer restrictions that have been in the national defense authorization. Act every year since what twenty eleven. So you know were stuck here. And it's not the biden administration's fault that were stuck. But we're not going to get unstuck without someone doing something and that. Someone's not going to be the detainees and it's not going to be the detainee's lawyers okay. I wanna push back on you on this. Because i think if you're a look say a law professor at the university of texas you get to say this but if you were in the white house counsel's office or the defense department general counsel's office and you had to look out for the interests of your client and your client was the biden administration. It would be very hard to say. Oh let's urge the administration to spend. It's limited political capital in a fifty fifty senate to allow the transfer to the united states of detainees who let's say unlike abdelatif nassir unquestionably did really really horrible things and some of them. Let's remember who a few of them are. Mr al-qitani right who is not charged in a military commission right now. His case was dismissed for torture reasons. But he's the guy who was trying to meet mohammed atta in miami airport and was turned away by an an elite particularly alert border guard. Twenty years ago twenty years ago like would you as a lawyer for the presidency in one form or another really urge the transfer of you know muhammad al qahtani so i i think either. You're missing my point. I wasn't clear and my money is on the line..

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"periodic review board" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

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"Kind of if you were looking. I say i think from a political strategy perspective. We're coming up on the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven Guantanamo still being there is kind of a reminder of what went wrong. I think to a lot of people and in a way to get people out of there would look like a mic. One time a smaller or to get rid of it Or close it down would be a win for this administration that said they. You know it's it's really hard getting guys out of there abdelatif first of all as you said. He had that sort of transfer package. It was completely done. It was just kind of paperwork that got snarled at the end. Like you know the secretary of defense his signature on a piece of paper essentially and so. That's what was holding him up. But like if you look at sort of his case like he's going back to morocco a country that is a stable country ally the united states. He has family there waiting for a job there waiting for him a house there waiting for him like he he was i think on paper he was the easiest case to transfer one of the folks i talked to who is involved in putting transfer together said that his case was not a low hanging fruit his case was annot hanging fruit it was like it was just right there it was It was the layup that the biden administration could just kind of put in the bucket. So steve how should we understand this transfer. There are fortyish people remaining at guantanamo. How many of them are plausible. Transfers at this point and how many of them fall into this category of really really difficult to imagine what a disposition that doesn't involve continued detention. Looks like there are Often like to think that there are four. categories ben of guantanamo detainees. And you know for folks who haven't seen it. The new york times has a fantastic thing called the guantanamo docket which really is a super helpful breakdown of of all of this including the four categories so with the transfer of missile latif. There are ten detainees who are of the remaining thirty nine who have already been cleared by the periodic review boards. Who you know. Meet the other sort of internal criteria for transfer and so the question is just if the biden administration is going to be able to find somewhere to send them of those tennis. Worth stress in a bunch of them are yemeni and that has continued to pose difficulties on the resettlement question. And just to be clear that because you can't easily repatriate somebody to yemen because of the state of that country so you have to find some third-country country attributing to take the person. At least one of the ten is stateless which raises complications of its own. So those ten. I think it's right to sort of about this the way. Let's put it as no hanging fruit. Said the low hanging fruit are the ten you know who have been cleared in are still there. There are another seventeen who are in detention not in the military commissions who have not been cleared by. Prp's and you know. I think those are the most complicated cases for the administration politically that will be the last nut to crack in the universe at guantanamo. There are two of the remaining thirty nine who are serving sentences pursuant to military commission convictions. And then there are ten who are in various stages of pretrial proceedings in the military commissions. And that's it and so you know twenty seven of the thirty nine on the tension side twelve of the thirty nine and the military commission side and the twelve on the military commission side that have their own problems. But i think from the from the perspective of an administration that has not repudiated commissions. You know. I think it's safe to assume those are going to soldier ahead at whatever terrifyingly slow paced. They're soldier in the the. You know the real political challenge the by administration the the diplomatic challenges. The ted who have already been cleared the political challenges the other seventeen all right before we turn to the other major issues that arose which coincidentally involve those other groups of people. Let's finish up with with the transfer Situation latif have you been in touch with Lot of nassar's family owned with him. I you were sort of famously. Not able to have direct contact with him while you were reporting your story about actually surprised. You're not in morocco hanging out with him now. It's yeah it was. I was very tempted. Let me tell you But i basically in reporting i did. A number of interviews with former guantanamo detainees. And those were the hardest interviews. I've ever done in my entire career impart because these men have been through a lot and they are very i mean they have all kinds of sort of ptsd and they have all kinds of Hesitations and unwillingness which you can sort of imagine to sit and subject themselves to more questions and so to me. I like that was actually very much. My first impulse like here. He's got gets transferred. Just jump on a plane. But then i realized that actually probably more productive. What would lead to a better interview and a more kinda humane way to approach. It is to sort of give them a little time. Let them settle with his family. modal space. I didn't want to be you know the pozo going in through brittany spears bathroom window or whatever and just give them a little space and then and then kinda pursue it. After that. And i think that Yeah i i have been sort of in touch with him through his lawyer and and as well with the family Again through the lawyer and yet they are. They are ecstatic. They're so excited They are and especially because it. Sort of coincidentally thank happened to be. He'd when when he sort of the day before he lands there so he celebrating his first. You know holiday with his family in nineteen years so they are. They are Very excited they are very. They're also a little bit. I mean kind of tender transitional time for them. Yeah so i. I think it's kinda we'll see how it shakes out and hopefully i'll be able to To get that you know interview that i've been waiting for for like five years now. So steve let's talk about general mark martin's who was the chief prosecutor of the military commissions. And as you described contended for a number of years that he would be there through the nine eleven trial mark. Martin's has now announced his retirement. The nine eleven trials still hasn't happened. What happened well you know. We only know been publicly. Reported ben and and so. I think it's an important caveat upfront but there are coincidences. That seemed to give a lot of credence to the public reporting. So carol rosenberg and at least on one of the stories i think. Charlie savage reported that martin's stepped away as the result of fight with others in the biden administration albeit unnamed. Others about the position the government was going to take on an interlocutory appeal in the al-nashiri case al-nashiri folks may remember is the alleged accused mastermind of the october. Two thousand bombing of the us has coal. It's al-nashiri case where the dc circuit in twenty nineteen wiped away three and a half years of pretrial proceedings because of a conflict that the trial judge hadn't disclosed here. Now ben what. We're what everyone's fighting about is an effort by the government led at the time general martin's to introduce statements al-nashiri made while he was in cia custody and by every account accept the government's being tortured not at his trial but at least in support of certain pretrial proceedings and the military commission and that fight produced a ruling by the trial. Judge judge a cost a gosh. I think it was late last year early this year. Adopting what to my mind was a rather implausible. Reading of the military commissions act under which those statements could be admitted for pretrial proceedings because pretrial proceedings were not quote proceedings in a military commission on that the that was just a reference to the trial. Whoever has the better argument al-nashiri has appealed that to the court of military commission review and general martin. Sears for court my favorite court the court that has has done the most the most article one courts bad name of any court. I can think of so. The that appeals. Pending and the time in of martin's departure was the day. The government's response was due and on that date. Not only did you know the times..

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