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195-Greek Myths: Stranger Danger

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195-Greek Myths: Stranger Danger

"This. Week on myths and legends were back in Greek mythology with the origin story of Die Nice the last of the Olympics we'll see Zeus blow a human woman's mind. Literally and. How if your enemies are intense enough that they clean themselves up by having snakes lick them. Maybe, take them seriously the cruise to this week is why if you hear a stranger licking your ceiling at night, you should not open your eyes. Myths and Legends Episode One Ninety Five Stranger Danger. This is the podcast where he tell stories from theology and folklore. Some are incredibly popular stories. You think you know but surprising origins, others are stories that might be new to you but are definitely worth listen. Episode is set in Greek mythology, but it sits outside our main continuity. So if this is your first time here in the PODCAST, no worries was Greek myth. So think Zeus Para, Apollo hades and so on. In today's episode takes place in or around the ancient city of thebes after cabinet founded it but before oedipus REX it. We'll start out with Zeus absolutely beans Zeus. But this time. This time things are different. Zeus danced his way home. He was all smiles. He did that thing where you jump on a light pole and spin around it. But then he realized Paul's wouldn't be invented for what three thousand years. He quickly invented a light pole and then spun around. Zeus was smitten he was in love. It started like so many love stories often did he was a death lescot in the form of an eagle and she was a priestess of his struggling to hold down a calf as she was killing it for him. I know so common, it might as well be cliche. Similarly campuses daughter Connah's attention the day she slaughtered a calf at his alter specks of blood catching her face and hair. He watched as she waited out into the river to wash the blood from her face and close. It was at that moment that he realized everything he was looking for his years of mindless pleasure seeking carousing was right in front of him. She was right in front of him. He visited her that night and It was beautiful for the first time. He didn't have to surprise a woman as a shower of gold or swan or Turner into a cow. With her. He was Zeus the king of the Gods. And he was in love with her. She took him into a room. And so here he was six months later he was a one woman man I mean. Other than his wife Hera but he assured similarly that it was over and had been over for literal eons which while true was also completely untrue because they were still very much married. Still this time this time things were real Zeus was gonNA. Leave, Hera. Simile was pregnant. Hey, we're GONNA have a baby together. When he arrived at lease room that night he kissed her but. She gently pushed him back. He was confused what was wrong? Simile ast. He said, he would do anything for her right. He nodded, but she couldn't see that because he was still completely veiled in shadows. So he said Yes yes. Of course, and he would swear to do anything she asked. He said he her. He would swear to do anything she asked he would swear on the river styx, the river that separated human world from the underworld. He heard sigh of relief in the dark similarly said that sometimes men said that they were gods to get into the bedrooms of unsuspecting women. Would explain why there's so many random supposed- demigods running around. Anyway. She wanted to see him in all of his glory. Similarly want to see him as. As wife. Saw Him. Only then which he believe him. Zeus. Face Palm. Okay. Okay. Here's the thing. There's a reason it was always night when seuss came to visit and it wasn't just never mind if he showed her his true form and all of his glory. She couldn't handle it her head literally explode. Similarly pulled away. That's exactly what she had said. Chill ran down seuss's spine. She. Simply said, yeah a crone stopped by this morning they talked all day. She confided in the woman about Zeus, when the woman asked about the pregnancy, she was the one who gave similarly the idea to ask Zeus true form. A request that Zeus was suddenly getting all cagey about. Owners it's because it will make your head exploded seriously. I'm not making this up your tiny human brains can't take it. I should know I made you guys Zeus said. I thought Prometheus theus made us similarly asked. Yeah. Well, history is written by the winners and I have him chained to a rock zoo said before pulling something from his inventory that did she wanna see some cool stuff he produced a cloud a tiny storm cloud for the room. Looks Pretty. god-like. Can't fake that he saw a very unimpressed look from her face and lightning rumbles of the cloud. Okay. Okay. Out Boom lightning bolt the cyclopes made these for me and yes that's the plural of cyclops even though it sounds weird, this is a small one. irregular-sized one level this here, check it out. He Senate flying toward a nearby cliff which exploded and fire crackled with electricity's a boulder shook loose started rolling toward a nearby village. Zoos closed the curtains. They'll be fine. Good enough. Though, just a preview was God. That was good enough right. But it wasn't similarly said she asked something of him. He swore it on the river sticks and that was the only way for them to be together either he showed his true form. or he could leave right now and never come back. Zeus had hoped this will be different. Assembly would be the one. She understood him. She loved him and he loved her he had been honest with her from the start. But he understood her wanting all of him Herro was right to be worried too. He had hoped to make her the Queen of Heaven. He nodded. Okay. He would do it. He would do it with the hope that their love will conquer all and see her safely through he took a deep breath and shed his disguise. The room lit illuminated by the glory of the King of the Gods. Zeus looked into the eyes of the one he loved. And simply looked back as he showed himself his whole self. It was wonderful. Beautiful intimate. A tear of joy went down symbolize cheek. Zoo smiled and return. Yes then the evaporated as the lightning that radiated from Sousse cuts emily's head on fire and it. Just like Zeus feared it would and harrowed the crone who had visited her earlier had planned. It would the lightning crackled all around Zeus. As not only could similarly not handle the power, but the room itself couldn't. It caught fire. Sucide. And tear started a well up in his eyes. But then he remembered something. The baby. Inside Simile, a baby had been growing. She'd only been pregnant for four months. Not Nearly enough time. As the room and then the house started burning around them. Zoo snapped his fingers. He had an idea. What's wrong with your thigh hair asked it is that a tumor? Zoo shifted that his thigh bulging but not in a good way wasn't visible is not a tumor. It wasn't a tumor. It was dyonisis. A development that Harrow wasn't the least bit surprised by when Zeus announced that the baby had been born. Out of his thigh You see when he rescued the baby, it wasn't quite formed enough. So he stitched into his thigh, so it could finish growing. The kid was born with horns too. So in a way, it was good that simile didn't need to experience that particular birth. The season's themselves crowned him with snakes something every parent wants for their newborn and zoo smiled. This was a wonderful day. Then They heard a crash at the door it. It was titans aphrodite screamed ready to narrow areas. grinned. Zoos Karston IRA with titans you guys are supposed to be in Charteris? It's true after the defeat at the Titan Mbeki, the titans should have been in that hot supermax prison known as Charteris, a nine day fall from Earth. This section of Haiti's held the worst of the worst or the creatures, gods and humans who had offended the Olympians. The most after the Olympics had overthrown their parents generation they put the rival God's Tartus but someone it seemed. At let them out. Zeus is confusion was overmatched by his rage when he took a mace to the face and went down a battle ensued, not a big one. But the titans had caught the Olympians off guard while they were putting snakes in the hair of an infant. So it took the Olympians a few minutes to take back control when Zeus had subdued the last of the titans he saw the aim of their L. faded coup, his son diagnosis, the one that he was both father and I guess technically mother too was dead. Torn apart by the titans. The titans it seemed. Snatches and no level of threats or torture to get them to confirm seuss's suspicion that it was. Hera. Who let them out Zeus gathered up what remained of his child and? With sorrow said that he needed some time to bury what remained his relationship with similarly. The only person. He had ever loved. When Zeus knew he was alone though. He smiled. They bought it because the boy dyonisis was not only demi-god but was born from Zeus himself. He was given certain powers. Immortality being one of them? The baby had a rough day being torn limb from limb and then reassembled we'll do that. But with the help of Zeus mother Rhea, he would live. He couldn't live on Olympus though not yet. Not, before he could stand against the rage of Sarah. In fact Hera followed Zeus that day and threatened to foster families driving one mad and giving them to attack the child and threatening the level the palace of another with the flood through Hermes in Disguise Zeus gave his son to the mountain. That he knew but. Hadn't been well Zeus with. And said goodbye to the boy. Diagnosis, despite his traumatic infancy had a happy childhood, he wasn't raised by the humans but by the NYMPHS. In, Zeus. Surprisingly was a semi active father at least by Zeus. Standards Diana's grew up knowing who and what he was. He also learned something else and this was a big one part and. How to make alcohol. Culturally the discovery of wine was big deal not only for the ability to have a semi safe liquid to drink the people of the ancient world were big fans because diagnosis got some groupies. They were called the mean ads literally meaning the raging ones. They're usually women and they began as the nurses of die nicest. On the mountains, it will become intoxicated and true to most people's experiences with someone like that everything became amplified when they were friendly, they got very friendly with their feasts turning into another sort of group activity. We won't go into here when they got mean they were mean and they were an unstoppable unrelenting force of angry drunk women who would tear whatever gotten their way limb from limb like most of his inadvertent half siblings, Diana's had hair problems. Like most time, she tried to take revenge against Zeus by going after one of his kids. It backfired this time as well. If she couldn't kill this newly minted God, she could do the next best thing. She could find him overpower him and remove his memories of himself. Driving Him mad and sending him to a faraway land. So she did diagnosis wasn't yet strong enough to meet her challenge and hair found him. And she went deep. Taking everything. With the word. Diagnosis was gone. and. For many years. No one heard the name dyonisis. Many believed that the last sentence Zeus was gone for good. we'll see. We're dying Isis services but that will be right after this so we love hellofresh. Came the box. 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He was roped into an argument between Hera and Zeus. But who enjoyed it more when men and women were together? Terri. ceus who had been both he had already had a very long life up to this point. Answer honestly. It was women who enjoy things more. For that hair made him blind as a consolation prize seascape him the ability to see the future and live seven times longer than a normal human. It wasn't meant to be a curse but Zeus didn't specify that. Would be forever young. So he was just a perpetual old man and the future he saw yikes. Thieves in this time because he was supposed to be at the city of thieves at this time according to his own visions he had long stopped fighting against fate I. mean there was no such thing as fighting fate. There was just your fate. And every action you did or did not take brought you closer to it. Tyree side who was something? The Royal Family of thieves would learn. But not soon. Enough. In their future, he saw at a passenger Kosta he saw antigone and the seven against thieves. But today he saw dyonisis. Who led him in here? Kingpin theus demanded. Tire. Easiest before him wearing a fawn skin and a wreath and Khulna thirsts. Warp Fennel one and why are you dressed like that? Are you one of them? Are you one of the cultists Teresi said yes and no, he wasn't strictly a follower of the cult of Diana Isis. But he liked the guys parties he was just here because he had to help him to get on board with the cult or at least get out of their way seriously things would go bad for him if he didn't just then cadmus enter the throne. Room Cadmus bean legendary founder of thieves and King pentiums grandfather Ben Theus, Turner Grandpa all and then did a double take. Why are you dressed like that chemists head the Colt? duh His wife and daughter were already out there. And the said Yeah that was the problem his own mom was roving the woods drunk with mad women. Why wasn't anyone else freaking out about this? His GRANDPA ignored him though preferring to address. Hey Prophet guy. You try that new stuff. What was it? Winnie. Terry CEOS'd grinned wine it was called wine but Yeah. It was amazing. It almost made all this. He said his smile fading has he briefly recalled what what happened in the same room with oedipus and Jer Kosta? It made all this almost tolerable. The forest to to you know drink wine and see what happens. Cadmus grinned, Oh yeah. You need an armor someone to guide you tie raciest said he thought cabinets would never ask which was untrue because it was a prophet and he knew cadmus was going to ask. The getting old. Let's get out of here. pentiums shook his head. These old men should be ashamed of themselves wanting to spend the twilight of their lives getting drunk and dancing in the forest. The cult leader, the one who calls himself the stranger, the one who came from the east proclaiming dyonisis he was nothing but a charlatan taking advantage of all these people. Dinosaurs was dead. He was incinerated with his lyre mother. She lied about being with Zeus and so Zeus himself struck her down and incinerated her home. Diagnosis was never even born. This was just some conman taking advantage of his aunts Louise. Pentium said when he caught the stranger. He was GONNA cut off his head this new religion from the East it's based on debauchery. It's not wholesome. Oh. No, it is. Not Tire easiest said holding up his hand for high five. CADMUS founded Terry. She wasn't down for diagnosis being slandered this though. He stepped forward. Diane Isis. Had given a beautiful wonderful gift to humankind. When humans drink wine, they can sleep and forget the eagles of the day. It stops their sorrow and pain for a few brief hours. And these are direct quotes from the play by the way. Pontius Greenwich. That see that was not a healthy way to approach life. Tennessee ignored him. This fight wasn't against a coulter, even a religion it was against the gods entire easiest new firsthand that it was a fight that Pantheon theus would lose. He turned cadmus. All right. Let's go get drunk in the woods. Penny. Screamed out that he would come for them. He would send an army and when he did he would bring back the stranger this prophet of diagnosis in half him stoned in the square then his blood would flow like wine they would see. ME. ooh As so. We got him. When the soldiers said wavering back and forth and struggling a bit the stand up, right. The soldier was going to be real with the king. He didn't like taking this guy in. Especially not after his spicy red water. Why? How still he did his job here was the man who called himself a stranger. Now. We should probably go sit down Oh and one more thing probably nothing but the chains they tried to put on him they wouldn't stay on him and the door to the jail wooden stay closed probably nothing but it does Kinda lend credence to a story that he's the sole profit of an eastern God. All right. Also once again, his spicy red water which really try. Wow all right sitting down. The Stranger stood there live and beautiful his face flushed with his wine in his golden curls dangling down the king demanded an explanation for the strangers execution who was he and where did he come from? He said he came from Lydia Modern Day Turkey on the other side of the Aegean Sea. Oh, was it called the GNC yet? No No. Okay. On the other side of the see the stranger said. Dyonisis the God Zeus begats with similarly came to him. He was displeased that his native kingdom not only didn't follow him but that profane the name of his own mother calling her a liar the king said, well, that's because she was a liar she had been with some random guy not zeus come on but the king said that this was all over now. He, had the stranger. He would no longer corrupt and seduce the women of Thebes with his wine. The stranger shrugged whatever was not faded. He was not fated to suffer. Simple as that but the kings should know that when he wrong the stranger it was like he was wronging dyonisis. Just be aware of that. And be ready. The Stranger turned to the soldier who was trying to put chains on him. Also buddy you should drink some water before you go to bed. More LOB. Sorry. I. Have a splitting headache. I should have listened to that guy about the water. The guard said. He got together. Oh, also the stranger he escaped. What the King asked spitting out the water lead with that next time. The guard wins at the L.. Yeah. He knew that the king didn't want this guy to be a profit but well, he summoned an earthquake that only wreck the jail around him his followers, but didn't harm them so. So he was still tied up king. Pantheon said he tied the stranger up himself last night. yet turns out what you saw. was you tying up a bull? Actually, saw that at the time, but I didn't think it was real on account of all that magical spicy water I had. But yeah. He walked out. He's back in the woods with his cult. The bowl though the bulls not doing well. Just. Then a shape appeared at the door. It was the stranger taunting the King King Pontius unsheathed dagger. The Guard said that he he didn't see what the king was chasing the dagger at it probably wasn't there king. I figured out. Kingpin theus did figure it out when he finally caught and stabbed a fern and his courtyard after like twenty minutes of running all over the place the stranger wasn't there he had never been there. Bathed in sweat emptying looked up at morning sky and the faces of to shepherds filled his vision. When he caught his breath he asked. This wasn't good news. Was it. The men shook their heads. It really wasn't. They. were looking after their cows when they came across the mets as they were called the Rangers, it was like this big roving party. They hit the ground and Wine Sprung out like a fountain hit a rock and water came out of it. When they dig into the ground with their fingers milk, just jets out it was wild and it wasn't nearly as the botch says the king said it was the weirdest thing was that some of the were breastfeeding baby animals. Pantheon blink. What. The men outed yeah. They will take funds or wild wolf cubs into their arms and breastfeed them. That's that's what's happening right now in the woods and pentiums, his mom Garvey was actually doing it penn theus was speechless. So the men continued yeah. She was breastfeeding a deer when we were like, Hey, aren't you the Queen Mother? You're the one looking for so we decided to do our civic duty and bring her back to you and it did not go well. Pantheon said that they were just a bunch of drunk women and you look fine. How bad could it be? Well apparently, when the shepherds demanded that a guy and the assists mother come with them. The whole group was immediately alert a Gaba looked to the rest and said Oh running hounds we are being hunted by these men follow me men laughed. Until the women tore into the first cow pentiums stop them. He said that the women didn't have weapons only fennel rods. The Shepherd said that they didn't say the woman had weapons they tore into the cows and bulls with their bare hands tore them to pieces. It was intense man pentiums breathe least they were still out there in the countryside, but the shepherd smiled well. When their entire livelihood was massacred by drunk woman, the shepherds took off in a run toward the nearest village. To get the local garrison to bring them justice, the soldiers laughed arm themselves and rush the women and they ended up exactly the same way as the cows. But you're saying that they tore the soldiers apart pettiest screamed voice quavering the shepherd said it got worse. They raided the village taking any children they could find the soldiers spears bounced off the women like women were made. Lebron's but they're blunt fennel rods killed with one hit. The women were on fire, but they weren't hurt. The shepherds were still hiding when the carnage subsided and they watch the wind return to the fountains of wine water and milk washing themselves with three liquids, and then waiting for the snakes to come from the forest to lick them clean. Oh, my gosh. I have no idea what's going on this is horrifying Pantheon screened. Okay. It had changed they were under attack. Now he would mobilize warriors and send them against the women. They will be prepared this time he began to yell out for his generals. The shepherds held up their hands. Wait what's going on is that you should submit to the sky seriously allow his worship in Thebes emit that diagnosis exists and that his mom wasn't liar seriously this guy clearly has power. They didn't want any part of an attack, the shepherds washing their hands of this left. He does have power. theus heard when he was alone he spun on his heels he gasped. It was the stranger. You're back penned the is observed. What do you want? The Stranger just shook his head. He just wanted dyonisis to be accepted and respected in his home. He never had home the stranger said looking off wistfully, and now he here's of all these terrible things about his mother. He just wants the truth to come out. He wants dyonisis his rights to be observed in Thebes. It's still possible to make things go well. PETTIEST was growing enrage. Go well for him how by being a slave to his slaves by submitting to this group, of women. The Stranger nodded. There was this wasn't about strange new ideas or propriety it was about power. If Diana says power spreads theus would lose his own. That wasn't acceptable. The Stranger Purses Lips. Well. If the King Saul dyonisis power for himself where he considerate consider allowing worship in the city. Penn theus karston eyebrow. This will be a chance. This will be a chance to see exactly what was going on. So as warriors be well informed when they attacked, he side putting on a roofs. He would like to see everything that was going on. Hey, he might skip over his mom breastfeeding deer, but he was intrigued by not only what the women but tire easiest and cadmus saw in this new religion he feared though of going secret. What if they heard him? The Stranger nodded well true. But what if he didn't go in secret? What if he went openly? Ten minutes and sixteen lines later at the stood and address. he stopped the stranger do you feel like totally we're getting are anachronistic wires crossed ear. I mean people are getting torn limb from limb. I'm planning to massacre a bunch of unarmed drunk women on one hand and on the other people are getting snake baths, breastfeeding deer and wolves in your dressing me up as one of your female followers, the stranger shrugged. dyonisis is the god of wine things can turn on a dime. I mean attract me now hold style I'm almost finished straightening your hair. The Stranger looked at his work. I mean. Healthiest was still obviously an awkward middle aged men and address but. The mean ads were very drunk he was probably good. All Right Radio Pontius. Pantheon. Pantheon stood frozen. It was a flash. A flash of something else a flash from somewhere else. He the stranger stranger had horns. He had horns in glowing eyes. Pennies rub his own is. The world was normal again. The Stranger handed in the fond skin and the fennel stick. Completing the uniform. We go. Now Stranger said looking out from the doorway. Penn. theus still struck. Obeyed. They fled thieves without anyone seeing king. Though divested of his royal accoutrements no, one would have recognized him anyway. They went down streets were deserted. Past conveniently when backs returned and found some guards dozing on the outer gates they were out of the city without anyone noticing Pantheon though amazed that they weren't spotted was awestruck by what came next there were two sons in the sky to cities of thieves. He looked up again and again. The Stranger was glowing. He had horns the stranger turned with a smile and said. A God walks with us now though, initially ill-disposed, he is aligned with our purpose, you will see what you should anti-us though. He began to feel it. there. Was a power in this place with this man he. He could lift a mountain he could tear up the Glen with his hands in hold the peaks on his shoulders. The Stranger nodded could if he wished. See. See what drew people dyonisis King Pontius said he could hear the women up ahead. They were almost there. He would hide up in the fir-trees. Maybe he can catch them in the middle of something. But that would be a warrant to you right. The Stranger asked you know. Based on all that talk of morals and values that definitely wasn't just posturing to protect this power. But yeah the tree right. There would give him a great view of the rebels he so detested. This was where the stranger said goodbye. Lead Pantheon. But another would lead him from the forest. He would be carried home by his own mother. Pantheon's knotted. Cool. Great. He was mentally already halfway up the tree to watch the activities he was so morally panicked about the king climb the tree started to soak in the sights. When he saw the stranger walked to the center of the Group of means they stopped their activities much to Pontius Chagrin and they gathered around their leader. then. A flash. In that instant, the stranger was no longer the stranger. He was glowing. Beautiful Young Man. PENTIUMS gasped. He. He was dying Isis. The Lost Son of Thebes. It was true. It was all true. And after the horrible things, pentium had said about simile. Dinosaurs was saying something. Something pettiest couldn't quite hear. then. A Sea of is turned though he was hidden in the branches of the for tree. The women seem to be looking right at him. Right into him. He. Shook his head. Impossible. His fears were confirmed. When the women began walking toward the tree. Pantheon clamored higher. He remembered the stories of the cows and soldiers he climbed the tip of the tree. then. He heard dyonisis yell a halt. The women did. pettiest braid. Good good. The God wasn't petty. pentiums could be. Would be forgiven. The tree started to bend. Panatheist held fast as inexplicably the thick trunk of the tree bent like a read. Soon, he was parallel to the ground pontius nails scraping themselves bloody on the tree and the train hold himself as the Group of women below him looked crazed at the quarry try not to slip from the tree. They parted as. Tree still under his power. dyonisis walked to the centre of them. Panatheist. Begged him. He pleaded please you do anything. I know. Diagnosis said with a smile. In an instant. PETTIEST was comforted. was going to be okay, Dinas would forgive him. then. Smile. turned. Cruel. But this is for my mother he said. theus slipped from the for tree. Thieves Amass Zoo said looking down from Olympus. Hollow, laughed. Yeah. When in the next six generations won't thieves be s you have today which. And then lies Impala Casta, all the oedipus grossness checkout episodes sixty five and one, forty, seven Ambi for those stories. Apollo noted turning directly to the camera and then there was antigone heck it doesn't even make it out of the BC's it gets raised by Sandra the great three, thirty, five BC also covered and member episode. Oh my gosh spoilers screamed covering his ears. He was watching the course of history century century. He didn't get to just read the wikipedia entry late the of Prophecy Apollo still. Zeus grimaced. He supposed he had to take the L on this one. Do not tell her he said so but Harrow. Might have been right. This kid was a loose cannon. He had a son torn to pieces by his own mother. King panatheist tearing off his own disguises, begging his mom not to do it all of his final breath speed shrieks of pain. Then he had a Guy Kerry pentiums his head back to thebes and paraded around like she killed prowling lion coming to the slow realization about what she was doing, and then collapsing in horror when the effects of the wine and revelry wore off, her father went out to comfort her and he and his wife were turned into serpents. dyonisis leading a foreign army into Greece to take it over the end of the story is even by Greek myth standards. How many times have you accidentally eaten? Someone's Family Apollo asked his dad. Zeus thought about it. Let's see twice. Maybe, four times. The fact that you don't know the answer to that question means that this whole mythology is just super dark. Wait what's that in the doorway Festus the Smith God with dragging a chair he asked where they wanted it. Zeus gesture to the eleven chairs forming an almost circle. With the one spot left open. Gee, I wonder. A festive rolled his eyes and drag the ornate chair. Will you pick it up and not scrape it across the floor? Zeus barked come on. This is marble don't help or anything a festive said limping and carrying a metal chair across the room. Oh. Don't worry. I won't zoo said and then answered Apollo's quizzical look. Yeah he was making dyonisis denies into an Olympian Apollo. To Spit Taketh as nectar of Ambrosia what he just got done saying that the god of wine was a loose cannon Zeus gesture to the attacking barbarian army siege thebes one dead king and the other turned into a snake. Yeah. If he left Dinas is down on earth, the place wouldn't last the week humans have enough on their hands. They didn't need wine train them superstrong. Then prompting them to tear animals apart Zeus needed some control over the situation. So. They were going to bring diagnosis into the fold. Then Zeus looked out on dyonisis as I respect off with the message. Besides was the least he could do for simile. The only woman he had ever loved. Who Sorry I was looking to the future. Something about frogs this Suga said, east risked webs is. Nothing nothing. There was nothing. The second part of the story was based on the play. The becky. By Europe eighties from the century BC in. Athens. He was also the writer of Medea and others people say that this is not only his best work but the best of the Greek tragedies. Maybe. It's amazing when it's actually performed because while I thought it was decent enough to be the story on the podcast and important enough to the Greek Pantheon to be included. Best Greek tragedy is a pretty competitive title I do like the idea of this strange holy man actually being the deity he has proselytizing for in a bit of dramatic irony. The audience knows the whole time because dyonisis tells them as much in the beginning I personally wanted to make it so that the stranger was ignorant of his true nature until the end but that seemed like it might be a step too far when staying true to the original. 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Interview: A Short History of AMD During the K6 and K7 Days

PC Perspective Podcast

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Interview: A Short History of AMD During the K6 and K7 Days

"Everyone what you're about to hear is an interview with josh and kevin cree well industry analyst and former AMD employee said if he was originally published december tenth and as a video on our youtube channel but we received many requests to also distribute conversation via audio podcast beat going forward you'll also find some some other interviews distributed here alongside our weekly podcast be sure to check out PC for dot com for the interviews video version along with supplemental information and links now outlets and it off the josh and kevin love into the BBC perspective special edition video i'm josh wall and i'm joined with the very very very special guest friend of mine who i've known for quite a few years who who every once in a while comes in and drops by the i. r. c. chat during the podcast podcast and i'll let him introduce himself kevin o. taking the easy way out hi i'm kevin krill principle analysts interiors research and former editor in chief microprocessor report and former AMD employees and former employees a technology analyst right for for number publications and consult with a number of companies write for forbes dot com and y- times and kosova chip guys but been covering the chip the business since i left aimed at nine hundred ninety nine as an analyst an and spinach a brief time director market research at invidia so i've i've had the privilege or both those companies we also had a couple of weeks at three d. fax writing the the two weeks i had a three d affects away one of my favorite favorite companies of all time unfortunately salihi it's sometimes better to fan and work outside the company than actually joined the company and find out how completely screwed up they are he's got a funny you gotta canova's pure three d that was that was the card have if you have three d. effects enthusiast six megabytes of ram six orioles had more i had the orchid righteous three d at walked back and get it but should have had s video and having a long long alpa so you can hook it to your tv set which i did now that was against japanese company anyway i still exists i believe in japan yeah but that was that was the card it was my first graphics card i have a creative lab cards and some later TNT two cards in that so but but yeah i was i was a big gamer back in that time and while even while i was working for AMD we were started working with the k. five and then later worked allocate sex but yeah this you know so that the point of her video is to kind of get a little oral history of both of our experiences around the time where a k. five was was being introduced and then AMD was moving towards the case six so we just thought we would go through a little bit of the history of the company and and as we were talking a little bit before the show AMD was started year after intel by our favorite guy w j sanders the the third yes yes mister jerry sanders the third a bit of a outrageous character if i think is is both the founders of intel and the founders of AMD all worked at fairchild together jerry andrus was a sales guy at fairchild and was a flashy ashi sells guy and which kind of annoyed the more button-down engineering types that founded intel so jerry and guys like the intel founders gordon moore while especially andy grove didn't any to not appreciate jerry sandra the style but along the way the two companies grew doing different products sometimes competing sometimes complement each other and had a second source agreement for a number of chips and ibm when they chose the x eighty six processor yet eighty eight for the original IBM PC asked intel to get a second source arse and the reason it got a second source is because back in those days fabs were unreliable every once in a while a a fab would literally lose the formula yields would crash and so i've been was concerned about having enough supply intel was still well not be manufacturing giant it is today and so they insisted that if they were gonna they wanted until the second source source that they could rely on for an alternative supply gazing couldn't manufacture enough chips or had a problem and considering during the relationship between the two companies they agreed to a intel agreed to be second source actually AMD hindi was already setting sourcing the links z eight thousand for your kids from that era and at a campaign have pain is eight thousand is better of it actually was a better chip in many ways wasn't as good as sixty thousand the motorola behemoth but the eighty eight eighty six became hugely successful caused the AMP say so amdi agreed the jump into the bandwagon into the get joined the bandwagon and make an x eighty six processor had done one eight six six in the past so they signed for the second source this agreement and then along the way intel decided you know what we fixed our fab problems in terms that we have multiple as copying sacked program where they use the same process exactly in both is we don't make of this idea we don't need a second source we can do it all and so- intel l. said amdi we don't need any more thanks a lot for playing and we'll cancel that second source agreement and go do whatever you want navy navy said whoa whoa whoa whoa we drop those eight thousand and we we all in on this eighty-sixth near cutting out we don't we don't like that so that led a to a whole series of legal battles for started with a three eighty six went through the four eighty six and during the whole forty forty six era of eventually with pentium and aimed he decided they needed independent architecture that independent architecture could tech sure was another prop here the k. five k. five was the first independent city six wchs architecture that aimed he created is the top of the line the PR when thirty three which ran at a think sony nigger seventy eight ninety megahertz because it was it was more of a competitor in terms of the architecture of the pentium pro at this is is even though it didn't have that that backside l. to cash that was you know so stinking expensive from intel it was you know it was it was more efficient than than than the pentium per you know with with with in terms IPC but they just couldn't clock it all that high i mean this time where they had just started to do like what two hundred millimeter wafers because previously i think you look at the eighty sixth stuff i mean they were down in wafers that were literally like that big there would be a dozen chips off of them yields were terrible well the case the two problems with a okay five one it didn't scale the high clock speeds intel's pentium which one person eighty two right derivative call the pentium to four worry sixes altogether because it was just two pipelines and they really didn't have a whole lot more than two independent for six pipelines with with a professor in the middle to grab instructions of heated pipes so it wasn't very sophisticated on the high speeds what the architect act behind the k. five getting mike johnson said was all get thirty percent more performance for the architecture and we said right and we'll we'll have this in any cable decided call performance ratings so that we got to get away from megahertz clocking to talk about performance the problem with at the pierre rating and a thirty percents claims was mike occasionally embedded side he came from the the better side of aimed eight in he had done the risk chip that ambi had and his idea thirty percent was spec the spec spec benchmark unfortunately nobody in the PC business back in that day you spec so when they ran regular benchmarks on it ed didn't didn't do so well as so there was a problem with that and it could kalkin much i think they hit maybe hundred i think there was a PR 166 sixty six one hundred megahertz or slow one hundred but yeah they they fixed the texture couple of times but they still can get it couldn't get the clock speeds and the process wasn't isn't set up to do that so amdi was really in a bind because any was selling well pro was was another architecture for workstations stations independent too was coming pretty soon and aimed he didn't have anything to compete with any to kind of been using a lot of their their a d x four DX three chips the yeah the really highly clocked four eighty sixes that were they were they were good products for the price yeah they just weren't any outperformance and then defending instructions the they they were really pretty far behind that for something so good so when i was at ambi saw what they call the field application engineer during the k. five year and then i got got a move from new york to california in ninety five and saw shoulder after moving to california the next-gen group europe which i actually jumped ahead so being a bind our a andy decided to do was find another one of these third party X86 vendors there was cyrus and a few of the guys in in one company just went around at that time when chip was around centaur which was really was still had informed hadn't shift the harder that early stage to shipping but there were a few others but cyrus was one of the big ones and but anyway there was a company that was struggling next yet and next gen then at a part had a lot of good IDC it had a better scale ability and so- amdi bought the company turned doubt it was a big gamble frame day because MD ed built a fab in austin texas that they need to fill in KFI's horn selling way near enough in those little foray six overclock forty six which who small develop app so they needed a good sized chip that could sell invite which was going to be the case six next-gen ran into problems because nexgen had great design where they had a backside l. to when instead of instead of bringing in the cartridge now he's another flashback here's here's the pentium too so it had a backside l. to cash and it was pretty we're having a big clunky aca jr while with next done is put the cash ram backside cache ram on the motherboard i mean sinise custom socket that was incompatible with everybody else but the k. five an later the case sex AD used the same socket looking out for the pentium so i was in high volume manufacturing was cheap and you can get multiple chipset support it so next i was struggling but they had they they had hired a guy named vendome at intel who had gotten pissed off an intel and quit and fours and then join next gen and he convinced the leadership next and go pin compatible with with intel pentium so with an ex team the new design group under greg favor decided built the case ex now this is actually the case six three which was where i wrote attack manuals for the case six predate or while underway when i joined the group and here's the original case bill one sixty six and and you know we'll we'll once we start talking about the launch then we'll talk about availability was around some of the interesting aspects of that but go ahead yeah so the case six launched and finally and it was pretty burs part i mean it ran as fast as pentium i had the same actually we joel i think original case was sixty six boss and then we overclock the one hundred megahertz any bus which intel because intel move to two two so the funny thing about what was going on at the industry at the time was intel willing to these big modules each were very expensive the manufacturer the you see that there's a lot as a case of that came with a fan the there's a PC not more inside those two really fast s ram chips yeah on a hundred and twelve bit bus yet so i i haven't taken this one apart so i can tell you that yes so this is really expensive manufacturer good performance really expensive manufacturer so here comes along AMD this is chip it's much cheaper to manufacture lot less expensive the caches are on the motherboard like they opinion the manufacturing process OB knows any it was much cheaper to manufacturer and got pretty good performance not not too far off the pentium to the one on the on the kind of go back a little bit because i'm i'm more on the consumer side at this time i wasn't in the industry i was starting out it some some initial little websites and i was enthused about computer hardware and so i read PC world a lot and and there was a pretty significant buildup about this this case x. architecture that they were i forget the codename was was sharp too that are ooh that's good question question i don't remember i can't remember but you know PC world at that time it was all you know pending amendment max was was competitor chip and there was talk about the aim decay six was was going to be significantly faster and in pretty much everything and of course we later found out that the floating point performance formats while extremely low latency was was just not as robust as what was happening accident later with the penny to but you'll remember reading that PC world had gotten one of the new penny memo's xs with the four thirty t x chipset and there was a picture of of the board there and they circled the two two chipset things and they said these are specialty chips that are supposed to enhance the m. x. functionality of of of of the pentium the mexican us which of course is really funny because that's just the chips at its the mary control yards yeah i oh yeah and so it's just at that the time i mean marketing was i mean if you think marketing goes bad now i mean at least there's a lot of information you look up on but you know at this time i'm there wasn't much of an internet and you couldn't do that and so there was a lot of talking and that was when the four thirty checks was was really the high end chips at because you could do more than sixty four may have sixty four megabytes of ram and multiple sock megabytes it's megabytes yeah megabytes gigabytes but now sixty four megabytes and so when when they decay six was was finally released and and the benchmarks came out i mean it was significantly faster turn all these things with penny max and i mean it was just kind of wipe in the board for one month in april of ninety six i think it was it was the fastest x eighty six processor out there but then you know it fell down on on games and floating point over running what is it the MD que they had a benchmark in there oh i i remember when game choose to have benchmarks built in that was yeah so NBK had the had a benchmark in there and administered this gaming floating point stuff and so i had a penny one thirty three the scored one hundred sixty six points in that and then i got a case six two hundred and i thought this thing is just going to roll all over it and i ran the benchmark and i ran at twice and ran the third time and it was like a hundred and fifty four and so i was i was a little bump but yeah i had gotten my first i you know i kept looking for a case six to thirty three one they're really expensive and you just couldn't you couldn't buy them anywhere they were pretty much from what i understood they were pretty much all go into OEM's and you just could never find one and there wasn't the retail market we have now i mean it was as a bunch of really really small sites you had to go to like tech data and and die because they only your shift OEM so you know just individual customers can can go get those things thanks and so i was able to get a hold of a case six two hundred and the motherboard i had was only it could only do the split plane voltage two point eight it didn't have a two point nine setting however i got lucky because the case six two hundred i have it worked perfectly fine it at two point eight then of course the goal at the two thirty three it had a three point two volt yeap i think and we we were stressing those chips pretty hard to get the clock speeds out now is actually one of the problems again right into KFI really topped out around one hundred megahertz really like those of very limited number hundred megahertz parts and k. six definitely scaled better the first one and then we proved proved to a lot more scaling the the what was important for the k. six to was the three d. now instructions that those those were designed to fix the problem with the floating point unit the reason forty point was so important back then was we didn't have transform and lighting ingres in the graphics chips so you you are calculating transfer lighting in the CPU non GPO so the CPU had a much for higher burden on it and that's actually one reason why quake what one of the the great hacks was the original seller on which was a opinion to they ripped out the l two caches in stripped down but the thing overclock christianity better floating point unit the case six two with three d. now all designed about fixing the the gaming performance and that's why the original name the aim indicate six was aimed decay six three d. processor and we named the case the case to the book and rare later but the original name was aimed at k. six three d with three d. x. instruction sets and that accelerated the graphics performance for games and we had to do a lot of work get microsoft man we jump through hoops get microsoft to do a version trek decks that was accelerated by three now instructions that was critical house the way we got performance on games was get direct x running eh with the three denounce directions that accelerate the the floating point performance for games and that was ahead slightly ahead of intel's s s see the three d now or was a nice bridge between m. x. and SE it really boosted the promise of games i actually spent spent a whole bunch of time in a room at copied competence comdex demoing a game called trespasser that turn out to be a complete flop and trust the cool thing about trespasser has had a had realistically modeled physics where view view knocked over a box eh destructible environments where you can break things and you can nocco box it would roll down a hill and it would act like you normally would see in physics and that was really revolutionary for games back in that era unfortunately the gameplay itself was horrible it was supposed to be a follow wallo on to the original movies the drastic drastic park where we just thank you hidden more into the into the case six let's kind of go back and talk about it and i'm curious to hear what you think about this especially with the original launch of the case and then a month later the pentium two hits the spot now the rumors that i had heard and kind of what the industry buzz was is that intel new the case was coming out and they had the pentium chips just kind of getting stockpiled in their warehouses but they were waiting on the four forty lx chipset to give them ST ram support as well as has the brand new AGP support but because andy was coming out with the case six that they accelerated the release of the chip but the the motherboard chipset was not ready yet so they had to go back to the for forty FX which was an ideo ram now now even though the performance of the two was still very very good because it was your enhanced pentium pro- that you know did much better at sixteen bit than and the previous penny pro did which got just hammered when you ran sixteen bit code on it versus thirty two does that kind of jibe with what you saw i mean what were some of the rumors swollen around there about what intel was doing to try to get this to market as soon as possible and do a you know oh cut cut cut AMD off at the pass well what happened from our perspective was the original pentium to didn't didn't perform well on sixteen bit code and i mean now we're at sixty four coats of people who are used to sixty four operating systems this is a flashback back back in the era where it was actually important for their still run sixteen bit code well which was pretty much latency dos type of programs and original windows three one is sixteen bit code is still important at this period of time and the original pentium to had a bug in it and it did terrible on sixteen bit code so a number of a one apart leaked that was supposed to be just a test part was manufacturing part was a sample somebody tested in push publish benchmarks arcs and got intel all in a half about it now that was tom paps original tom's hardware and intel say say does it wasn't fair because that wasn't the final part they had edifices bog and i think that was holding up their pipeline as well is to get the version the pentium to that had better support for sixteen bit code fixed and so the initial a buzz was that the pain was gonna actually actually suck on sixteen bit code and that made us really feel good and you know we we launched qe sex and there was intel asto fighting this perception at the sixteen legacy code wouldn't do well on a compendium to new code do great but old kota do terrible and so we fought that we we relished in it i was great for us so we sorta underestimated what the penalty would do in final because we we saw these early numbers we didn't realize that there was still affixed to be applied to the benefit to still from from a cost that's point of view we still had an huge vantage in charge of manufacturing costs compared to the pentium to the the big heat sink in in big box which forced into and we were still even at the penny to launch we still doing well selling because we had support from the the chips had vendors in taiwan guys like via and they were selling you know rowsley chipsets although via tendency to spin their chips that's like practically every week was like a bug fix a week kind of thing so yeah the ios like did you don't don't get the ACL version wait for the b version a day were a bunch of chips of SIS was another one selling chip sets for us ally nine which is acer laps so there was a lot of support in that until they were cheap in in and it got it still did recently especially when we got the three d. now instructions out and so we sell to boatload in intel grabbed the high end but what we were killing them on the low and mid range so that's when they developed a celera and you don't know how much everybody made fun funded the name cell run we kind of it kind of accepted it now but we were just era was making fun of even the intel guys in like the brand celera's like celery lori south on what is this celera and basically he just took the modules strip off the the the backside ashrams ashrams took off the heat sinks and sold a strip down module but overclock pretty well and had a could forty point yet it so it did well on quake quake to those kind of games that still did a lotta transform and lighting in the CPU floating point unit now now donate and to be what the socket three seventy at that time with they were they had to they had to go socketed but the celebration and i remember they had the slightest is well that would do the you know the three seventy to eh the slot one can we we were we were dragging this pentium soccer two hundred megahertz and does it mean we literally do the time analysis else's and we just barely got one hundred megahertz and super seven super seven sock and super seven sock and and we had a case six three with an on chip backside l. l. to cash but didn't solar those because there was a bigger die three as an l. three now it was out to i'm sorry to but it was on abell to yeah then it used used the motherboard as an ashes l. three yeah but but which you guys had like a three layer cash that you talked about those kind of really good for gaming and you know you outstripped and tell okay that that was that's a lot of marketing a long time ago oh well nothing quite as much fun marketing as the PR formats rating in numbers that we eh that we marketed and later on when i was in microprocessors barn i had to to play the opposite side of that coin in as is myself and pat moorhead from upsetting AMD on a giant voracek silicon spin show arguing or debating should say whether other megahertz or PR writings better but at least you you you did kinda get away from the PR ratings with the the case six just because i mean you know iran and one sixty six and it was very competitive and astro than the pentium two two hundred and two thirty two thirty three was the lowest so the so the PR ratings kind of went by the wayside a bed yeah you were able to get a lot of clock out of those puppies oh yeah and i you know so we got a lot out of the case six unfortunate cases to sort of like the end of that line and but there was a bunch a team working on what became athlon and we were racing at the market and athlon was a going to be a huge step up when it all said and done we aimed at intel finally a buried the hatchet and signed a cross license agreement and the deal was though intel was not gonna give the give aimed e the pentium to bus therefore aimed who's going to have to get their own bus one way or the other and we had run out of steam with a penny the ridge opinion bus in this super seven saga so we licensed a bus called EV six bus from digital equipment corp. deck and that eighty seven originally eighty six eighty seven hours later in that bus was designed for expensive workstation processor research using alpha chips so it required originally it was required like a something of twelve twenty layer PC more now a typical gupta board motherboard for for interesting PC's are somewhere new order of six to eight layers eight is expensive six is expensive if they it would four they would do for layer boards so the take a bus designed for a workstation that instead cost was no option object to should say and that can do you know sixteen or more layers and then try to squeeze that into six layers was a a a major engineering feat at aimed at the time so that was like a ninety eight ninety nine timeframe i was working on the chips at iron gate chips a tech manual that was the aim of the chipset now if you guys remember back then in one thousand nine hundred nine we were oriented to pentium three re-conquer mine and intel made the bonehead decision of forcing rambus ardy ram on the industry in saying oh if you wanna do our chipset was the state fifty remember the opinion three yeah to use our jerem meanwhile the taiwanese guys who are making chipsets said well we'll just use regular st ram and they were a lot more cost effective and for opinion three there was really no performance benefit to rambus rambus intel shoved rambus boundaries throat because they were prepping for the penny four where they actually really wanted to use ardy ram and they made a strategic decision into the volume up early with any of three but they didn't count the fact that all the third party chipset vendors in taiwan were going to supply all the the business for pentium threes and intel was sort of stuck trying to sell ardy rams and nobody wanted but also hurt AM at the time because the guys like the SIS and also busy making chipsets for pentium three they were like yeah we'll we're going to chipset for wrath on it's a little bit higher back in the queue we'll get there to do their own chips that if you remember back the k. five in the case six era you're eighty didn't do chipsets they they relied one hundred percent on the third party guys out of taiwan mostly to do the ship says it wasn't until we figured well we should do chips at the support our product because it's new we're gonna make sure we understand both sides of the ED six bucks that it became essential that they they'll darren chipset but it was emptied went kicking and screaming because they did not want to be in the chipset business and they have a way to get out the door but i remember you know the boards words were expensive at first chipset what expensive the always use the via south bridge for best performance well that was that's about the only thing we could use standard northbridge we had to do to our foreign chip because the bus was unique and the the issue was that a taiwanese vendors were supposed to do their own northbridge and they were behind and they were busy doing pentium three bridges and north ridge isn't albertson so we were kinda stopped we had to do a chipset for athlon and the problem was aimed management didn't want ships as it into the case six the new for the k. five the new for forty six they didn't wanna do chipset said if there was a low margin business that they didn't want to be in that that was a business then tell was making a billion dollars a quarter off of gap but that's intel they were you know if you you're competing would via via an SIS and ally they weren't making a billion dollars off of chips they were much tighter market so aimed he felt was the martians percents weren't there to get out the door you needed northridge you needed that in fact eventually we the south bridge we licensed from via and i don't know if we ever manufactured aimed manufactured at cells probably just manufacturing TMC by they took a full licence so we were officially a second source that south bridge but then the northbridge had a small design team and and at some interesting performance tweaks we did a bypass mode and allowed it to do a fast short access or lowlights access to memory and there's some really good designers on the on art from amd point of view on the chip set off to do other mellow things i'll one guy kept kept in contact with means that works apple these doing chips at apple so he's interesting guy and but that was was a just a kind of star chips at the absolute basically stripped every feature we could that wasn't absolutely essential to the north ridge just get out the door you're in time for the processor with hopes that the taiwanese vantage were finally jump on board and bill the chipsets and take the burden off AMD day but you know for a long time still had do don't chipsets and now it's not the you know there really is no third party chips had business it's all proprietary so whatever prostitutes you chips with it because most of chips that is you know excited from the hubs of integrated into the CPU although now we're disagreeing creating again with the epic in processors in new AMD chip reisen there what's old his new again except now we're doing animal to packaging yes yes yeah no i you know the case six is really one of the kind of going back it was one of the the products really truly got me interested in the marketplace of and and the industry and you know i'd heard about AMD before when especially during this four eighty six times so this is back in ninety two ninety three did you know some guys that i lived in the RA in a residence hall on these two computer science guys both ad you know for eighty six DX to sixty six's and they were you know the fastest fastest machines out there and each one of those four grand and i was like how do you guys ford such things as as college students but a buddy of mine was was looking to buy a new computer and he was convinced to get the AMD four eighty six DX forty which many ways was about as fast does the sixty six because you have the fast memory bus going on there and you know just the little tweaks that had it aimed e put in there i mean it was a less expensive chip japan it's still really really really fast and sometimes it would come a glitzy for that for megahertz bus speed but other than that it was you know it was an interesting option to have and then you know k. five you didn't hear a whole lot about it but daolin when the case six was was being ramped up in the end the marketing start coming out and independent reviews finally were hit and you know and it was such a good would solid chip it really cemented named these place as you know here sears and tells the top but AMD's deck and definitely secondary and then he got syracuse zab who was kinda backed by IBM because ibm had their strain six x eighty six oh yeah did blue lightning was an was the fast it IBM prosser yeah IBM was in a foundry business it was a ritual foundry for the k. sex from next gen and into totally till the migrated to u. k. six that we sold but nexgen part was all manufactured by ibm IBM was doing a lot of manufacturing for guys like cyrus and in next gen so there were a bunch of foundry this for the NFL yet gone now is real we were the race was to get a two down two thousand dollars the first company i prosser also gotta make enable a thousand dollars i believe cyrus actually made their ahead of us came we came close and was nine hundred eighty five dollars and you kinda get expensive pieces were back then when we watched the case ex a whole bunch of the marketing guys we went out to all the fry's electronics which was local consumer electronics chain around california and we went to individual stores and we set up and people oh came in one guy came in the by case system that we were helping self and he had a thousand dollars and cash that he the handed the hundred dollar bills the cashier in ten of them walked out with a with a system of the a six and i was like that was how it was it was still amazing to me and it was pretty much obsolete shortly up but yeah no now i remember that because you know you by these private systems and get a solid prebuilt system that would last you two to three years you'd have to pay a twenty five hundred bucks because i know the first one the first penny one thirty three that i bought i really scaled down down a lot of the build from quantocks this back in nineteen ninety-six right when the the olympics were going on i had ordered it was STB lightning no light light speed one twenty eight with two point five megabytes of 'em debrum to remember that product product it had a penny one thirty three and some like sixteen megs bram and the i had to cut the hard drive down to one point three gig yeah and i came with the seventeen inch trinitron monitor keyboard mouse now's twenty four hundred bucks shipped yeah i mean it did they were expensive expensive back then i know we have good products but expensive yeah it's it's really hard to imagine how expensive PC's were back then consider what but you can get today for well under thousand get you get a reasonably decent PC i a few hundred bucks that i've all my desktops i build my own and i don't actually only thing i buy a laptops so if i two by sine but yeah so but you know the the businesses change change so much in these past few decades there were a lot of small vendors that's whether still a market for the swallow vars thirt- sort of i i was supporting new york a company called loose key international and there was another company in new jersey cole fountain computer and these were all kind of screwdriver you know they buy the motherboards taiwan still assemblem in warehouses in alinsky geis's simple the warehouses in queens is new york and and in you know sell system so it was still market for those guys there were much of ours they were just they would makes you know they would sell some business and to you know schools and other account but that was still a business remade by building a a small volumes of pieces there's something else is going to go off on who is that you know up to one of the thing when we were talking about the whole pentium to thing what the funniest thing is intel guys when they saw that we were still selling cases and they're still pretty competitive they came out with kapadia competing still look at the seller but the other thing is there were like we've got to get back into sockets because sockets are lot less essential manufacturer the way we it should build going forward meanwhile at AMD it was actually a contingent of people saying we need to put our case into modules so that we compete with intel and these modules so no how to plug bottles and you realize if you put a case extra module it doesn't actually really do anything good for the case ex it just adds worse expense but the intel's doing these models we have to do this like me no sense so while amdi was like jealous of intel and modules until was jealous of aimed in its sockets sockets sockets eventually did win but they didn't they they did take a back seat for a little while because any seven with its backside five hundred twelve k avail to cash that required a asaka type architecture and the funny thing about that socket is it's just a slot one but reversed yes so a a load skies you know we're making a killing on the sockets and i remember funny story i there was a look look computer dealer downtown and they'd been getting a lot of business and they had hired on some new people and so someone had ordered a an intel oh pardon they requested this motherboard and and you know some other things and so i see the guys put it together and he grabs instead of occa- seventy grabs a any three of the thing and he unwraps it knee and he tried plug it in one way but of course it it didn't fit and so he turned it around and he plug didn't snapped it in and i'm just watching this guy i'm like i've gotta stop him from powering that thing on because us going through probably ruin ACP motherboard so i oh yeah tap the owner as like look where the heat sink and fan is facing on that a computer while what's wrong with like he plugged the wrong type CPU and the guy's like oh would it fit wonder how those chips ever ever got it busted because to be sitting around me what's the deal with that was really funny because that's the case seven venom which is what ryan shroud originally had a website about the case seven m dot com oh wow edward intel yup that was about the time i was leaving eighty so i was heading out ends up being insider named a to the analyst side of the business for my kapros report but you know the case six was the first case was the first one gigahertz it was it was yeah and made the interesting things they clocked the altitude one third speed rather than one half and from i think of what the seven fifty and above they had to chop that l. three spe- down so they eight hundred didn't perform nearly as well and so it was kind of and plus you had the different you had two different skews that one was one third and one was one half at the same speed but that's that's getting strange nitty gritty and that's before uh you guys you know that they had done the l two cache onto the chip migrated that again and got under bird yeah yeah oh i think one of the later ones oh you know i i was quite a few years that you were there at AMD when when things were getting very very interesting and william j was was really pounding his chest on now what his company could do versus intel and of course you started to get some interesting anti competitive practices going on and yeah well that was always part of the challenge with working with intel intel working against intel was intel did not appreciate the competition for anybody so we're always fighting and for you know getting a AD art out there intel would do everything they can to keep us out of the accounts and allows those those andy grove only the paranoid survive kind of attitude he was very aggressive in terms of keeping us out of accounts as much as he could we were IBM we the time i was at AMD emptied never sold a single exit succeed view i think IBM ibm so i've never actually took advantage of that second choice go the time that's funny yeah that's no money whatsoever do you guys none but the reason eighty if you look at MD back out era aindi was a very had catelli different divisions we had a flash memory division actually also was indeed ramps for awhile but then they make it out of that business to an intelligence well they have we had a networking product division during ethan chips and wifi chips early on and fiber token rings communications group they had a programmable logic group a diversified company back then and rollback seven remember like seeing AMD you arts i think and and just different off the off off the beaten path type type chips that you wouldn't expect to see in in regular PC's but in other applications that were a ton the products that you guys had we had embedded risk crossing the twenty nine k. so what happened was as jerry andrus became became more and more obsessed with the x eighty six business all the other businesses were slowly truly dying on the vine they weren't getting the resources sources everything everything was focused on competing with intel and getting city six to market and that became is you know white whale so to speak in nets is sort of like destroyed what was a diversified AMD to solely solely focused on competing intel so all the other divisions either were shut down or sold off or spun off of the year and eventually even the fab fab was spun off to become global foundries after ABC bought a TI and couldn't handle the debt load now's now's post jerry sanders but you know the the that obsession just winning the PC business winning exit he sex a impermeable dame de to my where everything else went to the you know became secondary you know it's so odd thing on the older i get you know in between nineteen ninety and two thousand five it seemed like i mean things were going so fast and it was six to eight months there was something new and interesting being out in technology and you see how AMD and intel and others you know kinda matured and grew as that market got bigger and bigger and bigger and more people are buying computers and everything you know the internet explosion you look from two thousand five till now i mean it's about the same amount of time but we just didn't z. i mean we've had skylight forever we've only just gotten out of kind of the bulldozer her stage from from AMD it's it was just such a roller coaster of those fifteen years from ninety two to two thousand and five and then now it's it's it's just you know it's a mature slow grinding industry it seems like well it everyone tis a discontinuity and i think indicates of intel was a bad discontinuity and that was when they got stuck at ten animator you're getting ten osha getting anatomy out the door and it was stuck on fourteen there there was you know i mean i sold it was it was a major movement when an athlon in an opteron soleil became the hot topic in hot product and then the guys that israel comeback with the with high performing euro how're yeah and so there was there was all that battle but then and so it looked like a intel at one and aimed these bulldozer turnout ES of a failure from a marketing point of view performance more view but then but then came out and add suddenly that that knows us complete step function and performance for d. getting back to our it's intelligence now stuck in a rut in they haven't been able to move out of that rut they keep adding new VNI's but for the mainstream performance point of view there isn't a whole lot to go john is now a lot of big changes there because we we've been refining this architecture for so long they're running out of things to tweak out of it to get more performance and in fact i've tweaked so much stuff out of it they created security holes you know and and that and knows those gaps like like the gaps are enrolling guys are slipping into in finding security holes until intel has got a close those gaps up in prosecution san jose formats qassam performance orbits so you know we're actually running out of what you can do the architectures and still maintain a a reasonable power album penny and four was this hyper pipeline and you know go for as much clock speed as you get fact when intel executive at a private analysts meeting said yep we're three gigahertz now and next year will be at six gigahertz i said you're not really going to be at six gigahertz sanctuary yes i will we will nope nope nope not they never got to six gigahertz with even with a penny for but it was like pushing the envelope powers two hundred plus you know two hundred watts and that was just not acceptable as the market shifted from i've firms desktops to mobile mobile was all about efficiency about lower clocks in reasonable clock speeds and more IPC and it turned out our fight version of the original pentium to architecture that that these guys the israeli design team at intel had been refining turn out to be the savior for the company with i was banias and then later later marrone and conroe all those so that architecture then became core and they just refining it year after year but it's not going to see a big quantum jump AMD at a great qu- a quantum jump woods end because if fallen behind core and now they needed to get you catch up so now you're gonna see you're right i think you're gonna see a a relatively slow grinding between the two vendors we've we picked out i thompson how many cores you can slip into a PC it doesn't quite scale even the afon javale lot of phones have a chorus but h just a magical number because it's a a popular in china it's it's luckier number and as a result of the eight core phones and otherwise billy no or globes at us eight cores dowd so i we are kinda running out of interesting things to do and that's why a lot of the attention shifted to the jeep you over the years the graphics is where there's i think a more interesting battle going on and even as phones phones adding DSP's in image processors in they have a tensor car processors built into our accelerators for araya IN phones you don't see that in p. c.'s yet to see in that i think a little bit with intel's the vienna instructions but you haven't seen a lot of acceleration for functions on PC's yet to actually lagging behind innovation with the smartphones so we've got to get more evasion back and unfortunately i think part of the problem is microsoft like self as the needs to be a little more aggressive even as much legacy you know even pat power management our management on a on a smartphone so much better than a power management on on a windows PC i stole it doesn't quite powered all the way down you know i it doesn't quite i think that's one reason intel's does struggled with getting longer battery life is just too many things a windows are just not shutting down when they need to shut down the save our switch legs he stuff too much PC i expressed legacy hanging around keeping things going at keeping up the power going phones have the little cores and you're running the really important you know OS type threads in the low power low clock speed as it's just resting but you know i we could go on for for hours in between both of us in the you know maybe you know may maybe maybe again in the next year we can we can kind of explore you know more of the the current staff between ambien intel because we'd love to talk about the multi module aww philosophy that AMD's doing and what intel's doing and try to you know counteract the the nanometer advantage that MD does but it was great to be able to talk to you about a lot of the older stuff you know where where i kinda cut my teeth in terms of journalism with the case six and the architectures and the platforms yes and and i just counted that the odds and ends in between and tele may be back in that time when things were in the gloves were definitely off oh yeah i mean it's it's a bit of a kinder gentler competition aim dean until right now but back in the when i was working at AMD and afterwards yeah there were there were there were no gloves involved they were pretty pretty brutal in their battles and until the government finally stepped in and sort of settled it out it's like okay you too we amdi yeah so you know in reality was having amdi around kept the FTC often tells back for monopolistic practices when when intel wasn't actually engaging in monopolistic optimistic practices so the the balanced they needed somebody else to keep an eye always thought that intel missed an opportunity to licensed X86 officially to third parties they want to charge a lot but there would have been an opportunity to expand the range of solutions that it yo some that intel didn't want to do or they started to do with all these little embedded cores in nick said yeah we don't do khanate they get out of that business because that's intel does it gets into some of his low marches gets out of it again the bitter a ton of companies that will be willing to take a license and build some relatively small low power devices and you could have made six more pervasive right now arm is the most pervasive architecture architecture e CPU architecture in business because it's an early smartphones an embedded devices until could've lisek say six in the same site what does that do not not in my backyard or no it's my backyard jarred but not not invented here yeah album is a big advantage here type oh yeah oh yeah they added edge factor too big big way wolf kevin i really appreciate you spending this hour and some odd minutes with us and let us you know pick your brain about the early nineties and mid nineties and late nineties with the AMD in their case series architectures so we appreciate your up by well thank you i appreciate having the time to talk about it and it's always fun too reminiscent about those days and hopefully i've borja read your listeners too much not not not too bad we again thanks for listening and we'll hopefully she again here soon and mm-hmm doc and the

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History in Five Songs 74: Not in the Rock Hall

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History in Five Songs 74: Not in the Rock Hall

"Hi this is leeland sklar. And you are digging pantheon. Podcast history in five songs with host martin popoff production. He theon podcasts. Let's rock out with martin. Hello once again. We are back with another episode of history and five songs with martin. Popoff brought to you by the good folks at pantheon podcasts. We are part of the massive pentium podcast network available on spotify itunes and over forty other podcasts platforms now before we get into this episode which is episode number. Seventy four one to talk about episode seventy-three just briefly so it was a fun. Episode is about crazy ideas like like singers going out and basically saying the phone books trae trading with other bands singing on their classic albums. Themed themed compilation albums. People redoing their albums the idea of slowing down their songs. Speeding them up giving us compilations that blah blah blah. Go listen to it. It was a fun episode. It was very cool but there were some neat comments that came in on the on the facebook page That i wanted to read that. All augmented what. I talked about basically brought up things i should have talked about and forgot about so i just wanted to mention a few of those Just to keep your creativity moving on this so augusta. Guston garcia de paradees Great supporter of the show He says made me think of piggy from voyvods recording lots of demos and riffs than we got qatar as an infant So yeah this was really cool so this was the idea where i was saying. You know Rob hallford should go in and sing. Sing sing sing to his heart's content while he can but you know piggy Died of cancer and he left around a lot of riffs. This just like the eddie van halen situation where i said wolfgang could go make records Basically you know beyond beyond the grave piggy basically was still making the recalled the basically again Making woida albums. So i said to him that. I mentioned to augusta that. I do recall avid camper van. Beethoven doing tusker. The wall dream theater does a lot of covering of full albums and stuff. That he corrects meet was task. I do have a copy of that. Bruce campbell. Also great supporter of the show mentioned was some of jeff hanneman stuffed used posthumously to with slayer and i believe it was Blazed bar shaw also Supporter of the show on on co co fia. Problem is in this fickle world. Nobody would probably make any money on them. Which always seems the excuse not to make these albums these days. I kind of disagreed with him. I thought some of this stuff could really sell Let's see that's what's the problem. Do you think ego legality. Yeah i blaze ask that and i said yeah problem with doing a lot of these crazy ideas would be legalities between record labels and and and egos let's see martin. I really love that episode. Create amount of boxes bills worse. Matthew kuyper says what What i love about this episode of uses metal nerd like we can't stop thinking about the stuff and all these ideas that you connect across generations of music. Let's see i here would be the possibly the craziest idea. Shankar playing the lead on the chapman. Ufo albums joe backed. I thought that was pretty cool. And it's totally in the spirit of what so this is funny late in late incur mentioned. You'd love the original savage to go in the studio. Just churn out songs to the last twenty years to which i answer. Well that's a little bit different. That's like doing one hundred percent work so there's nothing crazy but that idea it's just going in and doing something we all want but i said in the spirit of this episode is more like ozzy and sharon should make a deal with. Mca and go sing on all the budget albums. Let's see such great episode is probably my favorite so far and i've listened to them all. What would be fantastic. This is brian van to put Is some of the artists heard in this episode and took it to heart. Are you listening. Rob hallford yeah. That's that's my fantasy with this show. That some of these rockstars would actually listen to the show. That would be kinda cool. Great episode showed a picture of the pat boone. Know mister nice. guy thing. Metallic recorded say anger was a crazy idea. There's rich patino making a joke. And liu says augusta. True value lulu was a crazy idea. Okay anyways let's leave it at that because that's not why you came to hear this episode. I you don't even know why he came here this episode yet. Because i've been told you what it is although it does have title right so this episode seventy four not in the rock hall so this is a follow up to an episode. I did episode sixteen when the rock hall rock and roll hall of fame. Nominees were announced Back for twenty twenty. Now we've had the The the ones that get in the inductees. And so i wanted to talk about that a little bit just a little preamble. I'm not a rock and roll hall of fame hater I have fond memories of cleveland and a connection to that place. We've seen we've seen You know football games air. We've had we've had the brave words. fasts there. I've been to the rock hall a few times Fond memories of going to the gold. Mine records show and meeting jim gustafsen from by. And actually the first time ever i met joe bouchard from bluish there But we were in that and goldmine itself has a long association with With the rock hall and i've been writing for them for years and As i've mentioned before i have written these impassioned long essays on why why yes should get in why judas appreciate in why deep purple should get in. Two of those actually happened Judas priest not yet we'll get to that a little more but I've written these things and they've been in print in the magazine and they've been online and people like like reading them and They're basically the the big arguments. Why these bands should get in So yeah so. I'm not a hater. I love over the years like most. The stuff seems to be getting in more or less correctly. You know. obviously there's the big tragedies travesties and that's what this whole show is about But but you know as as time moves on good stuff happens and it's kinda cool. And and what i like about the rock and roll hall of fame is that it actually does have traction. It's not ridiculed. Nearly as badly as the grammy's for example or mtv music awards Music video awards. Whatever it's called where you're awarding everything to the band and not the person who made the video. It's dumb right anyways. I feel the same way about the academy awards. I mean the the the the the writer of the story is the most important person in any movie. I think So yeah let's let's have a little bit of a mop up on twenty twenty first of all and then we'll get into My five choices. So so so what. This episode is about is my five choices. My next burning five choices of. Why aren't these guys in. And these guys should be the ones you know. If i had my say a who would get in you know and one day i may I may become a little more involved in the rock hall. Because like i say i'm not a hater So okay so let's let's mop up on twenty twenty so so one of the why why. I really enjoy doing that. Episode sixteen is that they really tempted us this year with some astonishing very cool choices mc five. They'd been nominated a bunch of times before. I was surprised to see they've been nominated a a lot. There's a list you can see where mc five was nominated in two thousand three two thousand seventeen eighteen twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty twenty completely bazaar So mc five was on that list Motorhead was nominated. Wasn't that cool. Thin lizzy was nominated. I did not expect. These same garden was nominated Bunch of other judas priest's was nominated but what happened so who got in this. This is a little annoying me after being tempted with so many great choices The ones that went in were depeche mode. Doobie brothers whitney houston nine inch nails notorious. B i g and t rex. I mean i would agree that that you know sensibly. Most of those should have got in. I wouldn't have been so big on notorious. B i g or t rex but the other four nine inch nails depeche mode doobie. Brothers and whitney houston. I find that sensible. And that's the other thing. I try to do with these rock hall rants whether it's in print or online or these episodes or whatever. I'm trying to be sensible about the whole thing. And when i did that episode sixteen you know i was. I was like thin. Lizzy one of my favorite bands of all time. Should they get in. I don't know at this point motorhead. Same mc five. Same thing but But so so. This list is pretty good except for it was really non metal You know compared to the mix of who was nominated all right. So let's get into our first selection here a my my latest five my five right now as i'm speaking here in november of twenty twenty Take a listen to this. This is blue stor colt with. Take me away alright. So i for years bluish. Coal is absolutely one of my favorite bands of all time. I've written a couple while one. One bush book that's been renewed a few times. We just had come out. Blueish call to visual history. So i guess. I've written to bolster books but totally one of my favorite bands of all time. And i'm working on this imagined project but for years and years and years everybody would bring up lewiston halt and i would say no you know. There's a lot of bands ahead of bluish to call to get in. We're getting to the point where bluest. Her cal. probably really should get in. Why i would say they were. They were a cool hard rock band with a lot of complication with with poppy. Nece keyboards bitter. Prog innis Great ballads Four different four different lead singers in the band and critics darlings and heavy at the same time. Lot of pretty big hits that you still here on on rock radio Well maybe not a lot of obviously reaper. But but godzilla other things. Now i played you take me away because what. You're going to notice of the songs that i picked here I've picked later later period songs when the band still had some steam So one of my one of my criteria. One of my criteria on of microbes criteria for these picks was that these bands had second steams or long careers where they had some success. And that's why pick take me away now. Granted revolution by night didn't go gold but it still sold pretty well. It was it was in that three hundred. Four hundred thousand range This was a single off. It good heavy song. I track on the album lovett spout. Ufo's eric bloom loves this stuff right so so the great song but More more on these guys so secret. Treaties was gold agents of fortune platinum. Their single live album some enchanted evening. platinum. I double live album on your feet or on your knees. Gold fire of unknown origin is gold. And you know. I've i've talked to the guys a bunch of times about this. I i think their numbers are a little under represented in the whole certification thing and for years You know the guys in bluest her cult pretty much correctly surmised that fire von known origin. Probably should be platinum I imagine burnin for you and all that it was a big album and this is a band that that was playing of selling lots and lots of tickets and headlining as early as seventy five through through. Definitely you know up into the Eighty two ish range Things obviously dropped off for them but You know one thing against them is is. They were semi-retired. Essentially starting really after nineteen eighty-four. I mean eighty six. They had now mediate. I think ninety eight old one and they just put out another one so so they've been spread out a long time You know. I've seen arguments on the internet for bands saying well. They've lost some steam. You know they've fallen off the radar and bluish recalled kinda did because they became a band that you know to their credit toured off all the time you know playing a lot of club dates and lauda casinos and and farm fares and all that kind of stuff so but they never they never were a huge massive banned again that that is true But i think they have enough going for them that this late in the stage given given all the different bands. That are getting in that. It's time to talk about. Bluish recalled as a as a an inevitable or soon in duckie They are one of these. Oddly enough they are one of these that has never never never been nominated Which is kind of weird. So maybe maybe that will give them a little bit of freshness when they do get nominated. Maybe they'll get parachuted right in. You know who knows. They're a little bit part of that. rock rock critic elite There in east coast band which is a little bit rare. But you know you've got patti. Smith and richard meltzer. And you know even sandy pearlman and donald came from from the whole rock critic end of things. They're an intellectual band so maybe they've got some things going for them. You know that the people vote for this kind of thing are going to you know. Give them a friendly look. It's a little bit different than some of the other metal bands. Some of which we're gonna talk about So so they they. I mean it seems a little promising now that they might get in. Now i'm going to mention a few other honorable. Mentions at the end of this episode. But i i wanted to give honor and credit to a couple other honorable mentions now that i almost included at this level. I'm going in reverse order by the way So this is my weakest. pick But to other honorable mentions that. I wanted to say here because i almost put them in instead of blindster. Colt would be soundgarden Who we did talk about an episode. Sixteen they were nominated I kind of feel they are super inevitable soon to super creative band. One of the big grunge four multi-platinum albums they were very very successful They came back. And and were. You know we're credible again. Obviously the tragic loss of chris cornell died But so they came back. They made a good album and about they were big. At the time i thought was kind of brave breaking up when you were still huge So they are very important band. Who who were were who were a huge band and also accredit and the other one that. I'm quite surprised about that. I almost included in. This fifth slot was supertramp You know big band Breakfast in america went four times platinum. Even in the quietest moments i think was gold They got a couple of other goals in their You know honestly. When i looked them up i thought they were bigger than they were because because they are perennials on classic rock radio but they are a little anonymous. They have fallen. I suppose a little bit off the radar What were they were they pop band a pop prog band Kinda hard to k- kind of hard to pigeonhole them which is to their credit. But i thought they were pretty big band That is not in the hall and another one. Surprisingly that has never been nominated even want so those. Are the only two honorable mentions. I'm gonna mention right now. let's move onto our number to take a listen to this. This is bad company with rock and roll fantasy camp la the suit all right so bad company is one of these that i think Absolutely be an. Everybody loves paul rogers. They love his voice. He's he's been a big Big enough Solo act on his own. He's he's done He he was in the firm So he's done some big things on his own. He was in free so free. You know there's the free connection here. Simon kirk was in free as well but basically bad company nineteen seventy four album the self title five times platinum straight shooter three times. Platinum run with the pack was gold burning. Sky was gold And and to go along our theme of a band picking up some steam or getting some steam later This album that this came off of nineteen seventy-nine Desolation angels double platinum and And this was the big hit off of it. I think maybe evil wind or atlanta there are a few others. I remember getting played on the radio But the other thing. That's kind of cool about this. Band is Well okay so they're obviously big band They were opposed british blues. Boom kind of band. You know they're the kind of thing that Yon werner and the rock. Critics didn't like so much It was it was simple. They had these massive hits. I'm sure there was some jealousy there that you know this. This band is is hoovering up all the sales that New york dolls and the stooges and television weren't hoovering up You know so. So i can understand that a little bit. They're they're like such as such a sort of old school k boomer. Classic rock radio staple right But i did want to mention you know you wanna talk about second Second steam will pick rock and roll fantasy from their second steam but they had a third a third big era for them. They did well in the hair band era with brian house so dangerous age gold holy water. Platinum here comes trouble gold And then later on they came back and played kind of the shed tours and stuff with paul rodgers and various various people and and And and paul did the shed tours. A fond memory was was hanging out with him and at molson amphitheatre. Actually that was bad company. Because simon kirk as well got to interview him got my stuff signed so they participated. Paul rogers is a great interview. Nice guy So so they've been out there in the world over over many decades and they've had a lot of success I think bad company a definitely is a shoe in and they are also another one of these. That has been nominated all right. Well let's take a little break and we will be right back all right back again here on history in five songs with martin popoff episode seventy four not in the rock hall. Seventy four of course is an important year for bad company. It's an important year first album for one of the later ones. We're going to talk about here as well And seventy four. I believe is you know you could call that. When when iron maiden i started we might be talking about iron maiden as well. Oh look we are Number three take a listen to this. This is iron. Maiden with the wicker man doc. Some bags all right so here. We go in our theme again. I wanted to pick something of a band In their second steam Or their or their second wave of success this this could be arguably the third wave. Well maybe maybe it's the second wave of success anyways so iron maiden Absolutely they are my third Strongest choice of should be in the hall. And you know they're they're now in a case in a place where they've been dissing the hall and saying we don't even want to be in and stuff and you know that that will probably rub those egos Who who run the hall Badly Because it is a little political still. It's not as political as other things like this This is why. I'm not a big hall hater but Yeah bruce's come out. You know the guys in medan they do lots and lots of interviews. They have big mouths. They're they're enthusiastic participators in the world. So they will. They will voice their opinions and they have They have dissed the hall but they are a massive massive massive travesty of not being in the hall huge band leaders of the new wave of british heavy metal Five classic classic. I don't think any of those records. I you know most metal heads would say those are all classics and they will pick later classics as well They had a very distinct sound Paul anno bruce dickinson They've got this bass player. Who writes lyrics has a great bass sound. They've got these great guitarist. Nikko is one of the you know. Unique drummers of all time but merchandising massive massive merchandising with derek riggs and and eddie And one of the amazing things aren maiden slowly slowly over time Through through you know down periods the blue the blaze bayley albums. You know metal. Not being in you know almost breaking up there. They're literally a large club band at one point But they have become one of the biggest metal bands of all time They they sell tons and tons of tickets when they tour They've been very prolific with records. That's super important. I think In terms of being in the hall so they stay vital with with quality quality new material. They've made lots of records in the two thousands and twenty tens and they've gone on tour perennially. They're a world banned. I think that's important as well But i think it's just one of these. Really heartwarming success stories. Where you see these guys bite and scratch through. You know through through Initial excitement through big fame in say eighty three eighty four eighty five Then things kind of go down and But they you know they still maintain in various territories around the world and then starting with the with the reunion this off a brave new world. Two thousand the wicker man The we was the first single. But through the reunion with bruce they've just gotten bigger bigger and bigger and i think that's a really cool thing all right so let's move on on my second most intense choice for a put. These guys in the damn hall. Now take a listen to this. This is jethro tull with one brown mouse. An and now he's a funny could right so jetro tall. I think should totally totally be in You know this is. This is from a second steam sort of situation. This is heavy horses. One thousand nine hundred seventy eight. It went gold But their first big fame was back with akwa long. Three times platinum Massive massive album The the previous one. I think is gold and almost everything is gold For these guys What i love about them is. They are so unique. There's a cross between a celtic rock band and a prog band with a little bit of heaviness as well So yeah they've they've got some riffing going on with martin bar They've got a flute player. Which is really cool. Ian anderson has a very distinct voice. you know great. Complicated album covers and albums. Thick as a brick is considered one of the top prog albums of all time. It's a concept album. Really cool album Then they had that thing where they won the grammy for best for best You know metal something or other which you know really showed how clueless the grammy's were but that was kresa the nave thousand nine hundred eighty seven and that went gold. You know obviously On the On the notoriety of this of the stupid win That they had But ian anderson is another guy who who is very opinionated. And he's out there in the world again. This is another reason why he should get in. Not shouldn't get in. He loves doing interviews. He's graded interviews and they are a massive band live. I saw them a few years back at the amphitheater and the place was packed I think i yeah. I've also seen them in massey hall as well which is a smaller venue but Huge band i mean this. This is a case of a ban. That was huge in the seventies and persevered and stayed huge and stayed legendary. I mean i'm not crazy about the biting going on the not. Not the use of the through toll name and not the use of martin bahraini and andrews and work together and things like that and there's been a lottery issues which is really cool but yeah. I love the way that this is a unique band. Who who who have been begged for many many years. Ian anderson and martin bar for that matter Stay engaged with the world. They talked to all of us all the time. and And they still and they you know still whatever still means en- virus times but they've sold lots and lots and lots of tickets Super important band. So i think they are my second choice right now for Should be in and again they are another one of these that have never been nominated. We'll talk about that in a in a minute this being nominated and not getting in business Which i don't quite disagree with but Okay let's move on We're at our last choice in my top choice And this should come as no surprise. Take listen to this. This is judas priest with between the hammer and the anvil that all right so judas priest i have argued for lot of years should be in I wrote one of those long essays for gold mine that i thought laid out all the points. I'm not gonna go into them all over again here. Because i did in episode sixteen. Let's suffice to say. Just go over real quickly around for a long long time. I think they had one of the greatest runs of rock creativity across any genre of all time between nineteen seventy-six sad wings of destiny and nineteen seventy eight slash seventy-nine killing machines slash hell bent for leather Then they hit big fame lot of hits with with the likes of songs on british steel Not so much. Point of entry but screaming for vengeance was certainly a big hit again. Lots of gold records platinum records They even had a platinum record with the hair metal album. Turbo this one. I played off. You here is is a later later. You know Kind of a comeback sense of having a second steam this off a painkiller which went gold. Lot of younger fans think this is the greatest album they ever made. They went through their same period as iron maiden of of a down period where they had another singer in You know ripper owens But then rob came back and then they. They stayed engaged. They never got as big as iron maiden again but they stayed engaged. They kept making records. They've made a double record nostradamus. People love firepower And they played you know. Sufficiently large shows You know all through the two thousand and And the and the two thousand ten so they engaged they always. They always do interviews. You know we've got a biography from rob hallford just came out We have kk. Gave us an autobiography. I've written to judas priest bookstore three or whatever it is Well she is the first one and then it was an update split into two. So it's the story in into books. Whatever but they've been sufficiently booked They've been sufficiently dvd and box. Said at and all that stuff at lots and lots of success So this is a band that was nominated in two thousand eighteen and nominated again in twenty twenty So yeah so we are at the end here. And i just wanted to mention so this whole thing about getting nominated and not getting in. I think the more you get nominated you you pretty much should be getting in at some point. So there's that mc five situation So i a couple of a couple of You know honorable mentions here. So yeah i'm we had our motorhead we had our sound newark. dole's Was nominated once. I don't really think it's time for them to get in rage against the machine. I think is big enough that they should be. Smith's have such a legendary reputation. That i think they should get in Little feat i find a little bit odd because they are such critic darlings and they are amazing but they were never that big band. The jam is one of my favorite bands of all time. I think they should get in. You know if if we're being a little more worldly about things. The uk loves them. But boston panthera. I think is is really coming up soon. They had a lot of success. They kept metal going in the nineties. Motley crue massive massive band. they're not in A little more down. The critic end of things bjork kate. Bush brining oh joy division. Devaux tina turner's not in. I've found that quite odd foreigner is not in and foreigners one of these where i think there's been some spats with the hall you know and i think i've i've read that mick. Jones has a little bit of a temper. And i've interviewed him. He seems the most laidback guy ever. I've ever met. But anyways foreigner foreigners a little bit along that corporate rock thing boss and like boston you know they get accused of this corporate rock sort of tag and that was the you know that was the enemy of the rock critic class so i can understand some of these bands not getting in their considered not great bands right You know by these people were the the rolling stones of the world and and you know frankly. That's why you know judas priest and iron maiden considered just cheesy bands to these to these guys. They don't they. Don't understand the multi dimensions and the depth of why they should get in. There is cheesiness there. Obviously you know where metal heads we know this. We have a radar up. We know what's cheesy but there are enough reasons absolutely for sure. So there you go Let's wrap it up there That is our You know the the state of the union on nod in the rock hall at this point in time late. Twenty twenty If you liked this show and want to support future episodes please go to kofi rhymes with no fee at Kofi dot com slash. Martin popoff hit that red button by mia coffee or a pint. I would like to thank you. Know as as quite regular augusta garcia day parade as todd. Bushman bruce campbell. Colston beer dave fisher. Kevin latham jason. Leonard blazed barsha. And jeremy french And of course you can go to martin. Popoff dot com. I just got in the van. Halen of visual biography been packing up like a demon signing sending those out. I still have lots of the thin lizzy visual biography. These are big expensive coffee table. Books thousand copies limited I've still got some of the bluish cult. I believe maybe four or five left of that one. But yeah lots of thin lizzy. 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TWiCH 508: 3.14 Reasons to Buy the GTX 1660

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TWiCH 508: 3.14 Reasons to Buy the GTX 1660

"Coming up with this week in computer hardware, videos, sixteen sixty overclock even better than the sixteen sixty TI. Amdi navigate you launched eight courses. Crystal six eighty x case cheap thirty printer reviewed and more all coming up next on twitch. Casts. You love from people you trust. This is. This is tweets this week in computer hardware, episode five hundred and eight record on March fourteenth twenty nine t three point one four reasons to buy the GT sixteen sixty this episode of this week in computer hardware is brought to you by on deck. Are you a small business owner in need of capital today along that can help with over ten billion dollars loans in eight plus rating from the Better Business Bureau on is a lender you can trust find out more at on deck dot com slash twitch. Welcome to twins this week in computer hardware. Twits weekly show the reins and bring you the most for most useful most engaging most vulnerable most expensive, most terrifying. Most I don't know we like hardware here, I'm pattern Norton joined by Mr. Sebastian peak from PC per dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a surprise for you. Actually, Sebastian does Mr. peak. What's the surprise? I thought you had a review. Not surprise to me. I've been living and breathing. This thing for the last week. But yes, the rumors was through dots under NDA with you. Right. Yeah. It's it's like deja vu all over again. Your aunts twitch because it wasn't too long ago that we had the GTI sixteen sixty TI launch and everybody, you know, you have to know that when the TI cards hit there's gotta be a counterpart without the TI. And of course, that's what we got today. One would be. Yeah. But and they've gotta hit the price points. It's all about products segmentation as I've learning in. It's not the most glamorous or exciting thing. But that's the reality. Of the graphics card world, but let's get right into the cards that I got in very similar to what we had last time with the sixteen sixty I launcher site, which is MSI send us an overclock version and EV Jason as a stock versions. We got a look at both sides there, and what you get with the sixteen sixty with the non TI is very much the TI all over again, or at least that's what I thought at first glance because if you're going over the specs like, okay, it's still t- you one one six same core touring architecture. It goes from twenty four down to twenty two SM's, which means one hundred twenty eight fewer Khuda cores. Do you do have less GP power that your disposal, but higher clocks seventeen hundred and eighty five megahertz is the default booze clock on this. And almost every partner card is going to be overclock to some extent. We'll talk about that later, but the big change if if you look at the memory, and it's still six gigabytes of memory even on the cheaper guard, but it's GDR five memory. So we're going all the way back to the GT x ten sixty which this is effectively just straight up replacing now, Patrick we talk about the was the sixteen sixty TI kind of the replacement for the ten sixty that was sort of narrative with the last review. This just straight up is like this is dropping right into that two hundred nineteen dollars price point where we've seen some of the six gigabyte ten sixty cards selling for kind of that two twenty to thirty range where they ended up. And here it is. This is a card invidious said would be about fifteen percent faster than ten sixty six gigabyte, which it is it actually was a little bit Reiter than that. They seem to be understating the gains a little bit. But it was very much game dependent. How much you're actually getting? I saw gains of up to twenty seven percent over attend sixty at ten eighty or if you go to the most AMD friendly benchmark which is ashes of the singularity that was only two and a half percent increase over the older, PASCAL card. So averaged out to somewhere between about fifteen and twenty percent of a boost, and that's you know, for two hundred nineteen dollars. If you if you look at the review, any if you'll get reviews out there, I I have in the mix and older nine hundred series card, the top end ninety TI from that era and this card at ten eighty p. Isn't too far off from ninety TI in most of the games ashes of the singularity being the big outlier there. But it's it's pretty remarkable to me to see how a card that retails for two hundred nineteen dollars. And I was testing at ten eighty p o testing this base model for me B Jay, which is at that to nineteen market is actually better than a nine eighty t. I was kind of crazy to me. So I mean, this is how far we've come. Well. So yeah, it's also yes, ninety TI was a six hundred fifty dollar Jeep you at launch in the summer of twenty fifteen that was a long time ago. That was yeah. It was years ago. That's that's ancient in computing terms. That's it's generations eons. It's that's, you know, nations rise and fall and computer terms in four years. So a part of me wants to say like gosh. Couldn't it be just a little bit faster, which makes me sound like the comments below the review, but. You know? I'm I listen to you. You're sort of half stoked about this car. I think you didn't get stoked about this card until you saw the performance compared to what used to be six hundred and fifty dollar card has you? You know, it's this is the card to buy if you don't have any money, or you know, if the most amount money can scrape together two hundred bucks, but. Should people try to scrape up to get a a sixteen sixty TI? Or is this kind of like V choice for ten eighty p gaming now. If you if you look at the TI, the performance level of the guy, which is is sixty dollars more, right and the cards what I've been seeing as far as pricing goes is there ranging between two thousand nine hundred forty nine at the high end to forty nine is still thirty dollars less than a the TI version thirty dollars. I mean, if you're if you're that close you'd think well, why not just go the rest of the way, but a two hundred and forty nine dollar card. Is going to be significantly overclock from the factory. Most of these are going to have over clocking potential beyond that, I know we talked over clocking last week with the architects twenty sixty exc- ultra card, but it's become pretty obvious with these cards. This t you one one six g view, it's extremely OC friendly and write a left a lot of performance on the table with this card. So if you are looking around if you're shrewdly examining some of the overclock results out there in reviews and looking at some of the factory overclock cards and the the clock speeds they offer out of the box. You can get really close to the TI with a fairly easy overclock. And while GD are five memory does not overclock as well as GDR DDR six for what we've seen so far it you can still boast it pretty significantly. I got four hundred megahertz out of out of. Mine. Oh and out of the of the memory and about one hundred and fifty out of the core. And using the the higher end card that we got in the was the card, which has a its own custom PCB beefier power delivery. I was sustaining those over clocks under load and consistently over two gigahertz under load where that pushed me up to an even passed in some instances even MSI's factory overclock sixteen sixty TI from the last review. So if if you're Justin Bryant, yeah. And I was very surprised because I thought memory bandwidth would play a bigger role in there's no way to overcome the disparity between GD are five and six with overclock because it's can't be overclock that far like the the memory at twelve gigabits per second is going to be impossible. To reach when you're starting off with eight gigabit per second DDR five, but forcing forty p over clocking testing. If you if you're looking at the video at jumped like three four places in the chart and was right up there with the ten seventy again. So sexy science to the my tent delete will. So it seems like as we look at this. You know, one hundred hundred you know, twenty eight Khuda cores doesn't make that big a difference at ten eighty p the huge, you know, it's like ninety gigabytes per second edition almost not quite double nowhere near double. Like a third more. You know, it's a more than a third more. Of almost like fifty percent. More bandwidth in terms of memory bandwidth doesn't seem to make a difference. I just it's interesting for me too. Because we've seen a lot of we've seen a lot of tests over the last year's gamers nexus couple years ago. Did an amazing look like, okay, you know, one damn versus two dams and the at memory speeds, and one of the takeaways for me was that as like boy, you know, following manufacturers recommended locations, and you know, pairing of memory motherboards makes for really fast memory benchmarks, which almost never trans- into any measurable real world performance when you're looking at at at application level benchmarks. And it's interesting to see on a GPO because I I'm with you. Right. It's like, oh, it's it's this huge amount of memory, bam with it's got another one hundred twenty eight Khuda cores, it it feels like it should be much faster than it is. This is great. This is like AMD CPU's years ago, where you're just like, yeah, I'm just going to turn this into a part that's worth twice as much. Right. And I was cool even having pencil to trace out. You know that the bridge that trace like with the Athlon x Ps are the was at The Thunderbird, but this may be for some people in our audience. If you've if you had any issues with parts back in the day involving pencils and various other problems with modifications. I digress. You were saying I I just I love stuff that that has this much headroom where it even with the stock card. I took the stock EG cry which I have right here, which is once again, one of those really compact, but very thick like three slot little cards, which is kind of growing on me. I was at my reservations at first. I'm like, why would you want a car this small heads? If has have three slots, but doesn't take up much room inside your case. And it runs very very, quiet. And I'm thinking because this heat sink is so big why not try pushing this one even though it's. Not made for over clocking and Iran, the OC scanner which is automated docking tool from NVIDIA, which is built into like after burner in EV, Jay's precision x one Iran it and left the room. Come back twenty minutes later, it's like new get plus one forty three which doesn't directly translate into a a touring overclock because they go in fifteen megahertz increments, but still plus one thirty five plus one fifty somewhere in there, and I was conservative win. Plus when thirty five and I was still getting close to two gigahertz over nineteen hundred megahertz consistent sustained boost clocks in game testing. So even a bone stock card with a one hundred percent power limit locked still leaves a lot of performance on the table where the manufacturers if they really wanted to could release these cards with the factory overclock of, you know, say nineteen hundred megahertz boost and probably get pretty close to sustaining it even without giving. You a? Bigger power limit. So I'm just kind of guessing here, but it seems like to you one one six could have been clocked a lot more aggressively, and perhaps may not have been to keep kind of the product segmentation the spacing between the GP us a little bit cleaner. Like, you know, it's very it's a big jump to get up to that twenty sixty from sixteen sixty TI the overclock the TI, and it's just as fast, so. I'm excited. I am officially excited. And also they are not showing up yet on Amazon dot com are several or still in stock including from E J and Acis a new egg dot com. Oh, I since over clocking in my future. Yeah. I just wanna find just like before I wanna find the card with the highest power limit. And just go nuts because another thing these still haven't eight pin power connector on them. Even though it's just one hundred twenty watt card, even though it draws less power even than the GT x ten sixty. It's got this eight pin connector, that's just begging you to make use of it. Because that gives you a hundred and fifty watts from your PSU plus board power. So you can well you could potentially exceed or get close to. Yeah. You could exceed two hundred watts with this card, and I think I did because I got close like the two eighty to ninety range full system power from the wall with a core. I seven when over clocking this thing. So. There's a lot of thermal headroom, there's depending on the, you know, the partner cards designed there's definitely going to be. You know, I would say most of these cards are gonna give you between ninety and one hundred twenty megahertz or more above stock boosts. So anyway, just realize I can't fit that EV in my. In the system. I wanted to put it in. Right. Yeah. I don't know of any minnea- tax guys that have gone slots, there might it's certainly I already own. Yeah. So Acis maybe in my my near future. I I sense editor's choice. Gold award. How did this fair out the? Yeah. The I gave the gold awards the the EV card because it's just a solid car that everything right nothing really wrong with it. And it's that that stock to nineteen price still had over Clark potential, but the MSA card which I was actually beating sixteen sixty TI with without any voltage modifications. I had I struggled with that. Actually. Apparently, I gave out the goal. I was thinking under his choice math going to change that. But the it's it's thirty dollars more. But I felt the difference in price was more than offset by the fact that you have so much OC potential. But I think that's just kind of inherent to this product chip where we'll see other cards out there like VGA's, a Susan others, which are probably going to be hitting some of these aggressive clocks fairly easily. So it's it's just a really good. It becomes so much more. When we start talking about over clocking. If this was just a stock, and you couldn't overclock it. And this was like at it's limit already. It's not interesting, honestly, because it's just a drop in replacement for the ten sixty as PASCAL kinda dries up, and then this replaces it and you get about fifteen percent more performance. But it's been almost two years that card came out in July of twenty sixteen. So you'd expect more performance aged, oh, man, you also actually one of my favorite case series. Of course, there's Cristal series. They just dropped a couple of new dishes to that. And you got hands on you put system out with the six eighty x RGB AT X tempered glass case, if you're looking for a machine to show off the glorious innards of your computer Cristal series. I think is if it's not hide your list. It should be unless you don't like LED's which case you will find this setup maddening or you'll just start clipping wires. I. Is it safe to say, oh, look another attractive, thoughtfully laid out. You know, hot stuff on the top stuffing need to keep cool on the bottom corsair design. That's not particularly loud. But not as quiet as some of their dedicated, quiet cases. It was with a lot of cases. And I've I've been doing case reviews for five years now, and I've seen a lot of different designs. And I will also say that in that five years, I have not reviewed very many cases that are this expensive. So we, oh, it's a two hundred fifty dollars. So it's as much as a GP you. I mean, it's as much as the sl card that we were just talking about. And so for a case that's in. That's not quite as case labs territory, and they're no longer with us. So maybe four series like carving out a niche in that like very high end of the market left by case labs, but it this is one of those Bigalow you met you mentioned the air the air five forty is basically what this reminds me of it's a big dual chamber case and partly because of that premium price tag. They've kind of gone all out this thing. And all the crystal series cases have tempered glass galore. This has three panels front top inside the door pauses, positively right word is because we went out when when you're saying dual enclosures fashion, you can see there's the glass side of the top. And there's a big white painted metal section of the top essentially the power supply and all of your back. You know, all of the wiring that is too ugly to be seen gets routed. Through the back of that to eliminate the heat from the power supply from the rest of the system. Yeah. And in a lot of cases, you have maybe an inch sometimes a little bit more behind the motherboard trade Kraml, your cable mess, and this is dual chamber cases give you what is essentially a fully x case on one side. And then behind that you have like a slim AT case, which is still pretty mean. It's it's big enough to put power supply, hard drives. And then give you like enough room to fit any amount of cables and still a lot of space left over for things like reservoirs, redoing a custom water cooling loop that sort of thing. So just a tremendous amount of room in this case. But of course, that also means it takes up a lot of space. It has a big footprint kind of looks like a mini fridge. And I didn't think about that. When I ask for the white version of thought the white version is gonna look cool, but we were talking about it last night. And it's like this this looks like a wine cooler like, oh, I mean. Soren of RGB one all it reminds me to the these to call them like the the the dog boxes or the dog houses, which is a particular class of server that you don't really see any more. But it was very very low very very wide in very very long, and then always had wheels. So you can kind of like stuff it under a, you know, the the pictures usually see from people using the field was like there was a car. There's a folding table in the back of a room with a lot of Ethernet cables, and then they would have two or three these things stuffed under a card table. It does. I mean, it's it's it it was it. You know, massive sitting on your desk was kind of like, you know, this needs to be the focus of your desk. Would you put it on the floor? It seems like if you're gonna go to the trouble of putting all those glass cases or the all the glass on this. You're gonna want to display it. It sounds like you're big ask. Yeah. I mean, it's I have it at arm's reach almost. But the thing is it's quite heavy. It's only about a foot and a half tall. Maybe a little bit more than that. But it it's it's just kind of like a two ish foot cube. You have to have you'll see have to have that amount of of space for it. But I would not put this under a desk on why you'd pay a premium for a case that has all the tempered glass, and these really fancy RGB fans on the front, and then, you know, put it out of view, so. I don't know the the RGB aspect of this. It's it's not like they went overboard. It's still pretty subtle because it's just the front fans. And I don't know if you've seen other corsair cases that have these new fans I was last year I tested the crystal two eighty x which is kind of the mini. Microwaves the expiration of this so much smaller scale tool champion case. But these fans have sixteen individually addressable lights in each of them. We've got a total of forty something whites between just the three fans which you can control with their software and actually one of the things about this case was there's a there's a built in RGB controller that can sync up with all the other corsair RGB lighted things you may own. And so you could have your keyboard? And mouse case fans and everything all pulsing the same custom pattern or glow or whatever color you want. So that was kind of interesting, but. Essentially, it's just a really well made big nice case their convenience and intelligent design. Features like it has a hinged glass door. It's magnetically of like closes magnetically? So it's easy to open access everything. The like the fans are on brackets the front fans and the top fans or radiator on these easy to remove brackets that has come off with two of these captured thumbscrews in you pull the whole bracket off and on the other side of the brackets magnetically attached filter. So to worry about like undoing snaps or like removing the front to get two things. You just do it all from right inside the case pop door open in plot. A couple of thumbscrews sought out a screen, or you know, like vacuum off rinse your screen, but it back so maintaining like living with this case over a long period of time would be very easy. So it does kind of help mitigate the costs because it's like, well, this might be the last case I buy for the next five or. Ten years, but the enthusiasts cry. This'll be the last speakers I ever own. Phone. That's grown. Yeah. Last. I'm not defending. I'm not defending the price. It's I could see this being like one ninety nine but to forty nine it's just starts to feel like, I don't know. It's it's expensive thousand dollars on a GP you in a thousand dollars on a CPU and a couple of hundred on memory at that point. It may be sort of, you know, not exactly a rounding error, but but less traumatic than say if you're in the thousand dollar or under. Build world. Yeah. The I'm curious we'll link to Debbie CCF tech article that suggests that Ambi seven nanometer navy GP is gonna launch about a month after rising three thousand seven seven nineteen being similarly probably seven AM on the seventh day of the seventh month will be the seven nanometer launch of these seven nanometer rising three thousand seven nanometer. Did you hear that until seven nanometer CPU better launch at like seven oh seven AM to? Oh, I like that even better seven oh seven or perhaps seventy seven seventy seven as my child tried to tell me about who's learning. How to read the clock, but? Games com. Twenty nineteen being the the potential loss. And it's interesting because was meant presente points out that the navy was originally supposed to launch a twenty eighteen. But are our does this feel solid is does this particular rumor feel like a trustworthy rumor? I love saying trustworthy. Does this feel like a trustworthy rumor to you, sir? Do you have a lot of security in this rumor actually when they start throwing around like board partners. That's when I start to think, maybe there's some credence this because in this industry, obviously, the partners are going to know about things before the media does. And you know, maybe somebody let something slip in an Email or something. And now, there's I they're not revealing sources, of course. But this report seemed pretty confident we will see one of the things I remarked in the post I wrote about this is that very often what will happen is there's a there's a pretty consistent like lead up to a graphics launch. Where we'll start to hear these reports, which may or may not come from board partners. Then we start to see like renders of box are in. Then we start to see like GP renders and promotional photos and things like that. And that's about a month out from a launch pretty. Currently. So we're we're not gonna have any verification of this. Unless Amdi just comes out says it until probably July if indeed they are launching in August. Although I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for them to pre-announce AMD does like the pre-announce GPS in video does not obviously CAS bizarre radio on seven didn't come out for another month. So they could go on stage at three in announce the stuff too. Oh my goodness. You are. I'm. This one the Enquirer actually found those running this one up alleged Amdi, Debbie benchmark suggest GP's are being properly tested. So chief affects expense has a listing as AMD sixty six af colon f one noting that does not a great name Kisa fantastic. Name. The USB I f named that one of the intriguing part. Of course, as Roland Moeller Kolia writes that it was alongside a comparison with MD's Brady on Rx Vega. Fifty six GPU in show that was on par. The Vega fifty six which I would've thought it would have been higher. But. Are we talking about a less expensive GPO being the first thing to come out in the navy lineup is does this smell like a ten sixty twenty sixty sixty I should say sixteen sixty TI slash twenty sixty competitor something in that price range, or is it just entirely too vague, even begin to start guessing at this aspect of it. I personally think it's a little vague. But if we're talking about that performance level than you know of a Vegas, stiffy sixes pretty powerful. I'd kind kinda forgotten about that until I was retesting graphics cards because they were possible to buy for so long. Yeah. There was just an obtaining him during the mining fiasco. So yeah. Like, this is this is really fast this is faster than it depends on the game. But it's faster than twenty sixty or it certainly can be it's it's it's definitely faster than z X sixteen sixty TI. As probably the one I'm thinking of but it somewhere in between there. I mean, if if this comes out as the replacement to the Rx five eighty that'd be fantastic. You know, I'd love to see Vega. Fifty six levels of performance or close to down on the two hundred two hundred twenty dollars price range that would really change things. I would force in video and their partners to drop prices, which I'm sure we would see in the form of like mail in rebates and stuff, but it it's pretty vague. And it's also unclear what the architecture is. So this could be navy, and it might not be so. I like I like how they call it mysterious like when you're down to lake like a string like six six a f colon right one. It's very early days. If this is a navy or navy product. But I I'm not taped from the factory. Another under Indiana's or anything. I I have heard nothing official. That's why you know, we often find out things, you know, weeks in advance sometimes longer, but nothing so I would not be surprised if this is still probably coming later in the year in August seems about as early as we might expect. Yeah. No, it also think at this point. And he's being really cautious about announcing anything they can't ship on time. Or there might be any tiny delay in shipping. It feels that way. I always kinda fascinated. With the update from Microsoft. Peter bright did right up at ars Technica windows, seven if you're paying attention is biscuit, or for away months away from no longer receiving security updates will would should signal the the impending death of the operating system, you know, given the number of zombie XP systems that are still floating around the internet being used to do failures things. I think my statement of them being migrated to windows, ten is probably more about hope other than what I was actually going to happen. But I thought this was really odd. They had. It was patch world of warcraft battle for as Roth version, eight dot one dot five one of the pretty recent patch, and they added in chunks of the user mode for direct three d twelve and to windows seven, so odd. Especially as Mr. bright points outs. That Microsoft quote, insists that windows. Ten remains the best place to run d three d twelve applications, of course, of course, because that's the only place the really working on on the the director thirty twelve stack. Why on earth would they drop something update like this? I mean, would you think is this like world of warcraft paid them? I just seems very curious. Why why would they why I don't understand why they would need to? Yeah. And it's also I wonder is this something that we're going to have to wait for a graphics update in Powell they even phrase this like the latest, you know, Invidia driver now includes support for direct twelve ish features in windows, seven a soon to be supported operating system. One of the things that that he quotes in the article is that blizzard. Well, I'll read it quote blizzard found that there was a quote substantial frame rate improvement from updating world afford craft used three d twelve thanks to d three d twelve improve support for distributing the work of building graphical scenes across multiple threads. You know, multi threading his good. I think we I think everybody agrees on that one. I just wonder who paid for this was this Knicks like why would they add something this significant to windows seven this late? Yeah. Yeah. It was I yeah. I'm I'm glad you found this one because it's kind of fascinating kinda strange. The first thing that this my Senecal mind thinks is you know, of course, they always could have enabled direct swallow windows seven if they really wanted to just as they could have been able to windows eight or eight point one, it's a selling point. There's a reason that direct x ten was a vista exclusive. It was to get gamers upgrade to a new operating system, which also helped the industry because you know, you would go out and buy prebuilt PC's that came with windows. Whistle on them. Of course, windows vista was a terrible nightmare. And when windows seven came out that was like it was such a breath of fresh air. It was such a. Better performing system like the same hardware with so much admirable, though, seven there are people who it's I've made the argument probably here in other places before when people saw DVD coming from VHS, they were just like this is it is. This is amazing. It was so much better than VHS. They just didn't care about the things that came afterwards. They don't care about a necessarily like high-definition TV's. Let's go to the standard now, obviously. And then didn't really care about Blu Ray. There are lots of people who still watch DVD's in their blue very player, which is alarming to me but subject. Yeah. I can't. I can't let it go. But the bull. Yeah. No, I'm I'm a I'm with you. I should also point out that if you are an enterprise, we have a volume license a windows seven you can pay for up to three years of fixed. And it's as as much as I make it sound like windows. Seven security updates are dropping tomorrow. It's actually through January fourteenth twenty twenty. You have ways to go yet. I think I was being a little too. Panicky about the pending loss of security updates. So they may be blizzard will pay for those two just for their windows seven. Wow. User base. It's tempting I wonder if that's a legitimate issue. Maybe it's because of maybe they have enough data that shows that were they to. I don't know is is there that much of a backlash against windows ten at this point that they would be afraid of losing valuable subscribers to their monthly game. If people just use to upgrade to windows ten I don't know if we put the product manager for windows ten in front of you would hit him with a baseball bat. You know, I think it also, you know, it's I would be curious to see like what I don't. I don't think anybody there is going to release the the the stats on the average age of the average system that a really dedicated world of warcraft player is running on. But you know, it's a possibility or. You know, it's. We live in a world where people are for fun. You know, recreating systems from twenty years ago to play video games twenty years ago, and in many cases, trying to find new old stock on opened parts to do it with. So, you know, seem easy to hang on me. What is happening here? No, I I. Your wife. 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So what did Microsoft to last week that broke everything? They issued a one of their fixes for something that of course, didn't really fix anything. It created more problems. What is the actual number here? It was Kaby. Four four eight two eight eight seven a quality improvement updates. And this was coming on the heels of like, the breadth align when those ten the slowdown mitigation stuff, and it was affecting games. It was affecting input and performance of games so destiny to and others that was one of the major titles that was mentioned. So this assay here the in light of the above and for PC gamers, quote it addresses an issue that may degrade graphics amounts performance when desktop gaming with win playing certain games. There's destinies who after installing the update. So basically, whatever mitigations they had come up with was causing some sort of problems either between the input and the game or glitches within the game itself that was causing Stecher mental. You know, performance related problems. There's a huge list we actually go to Microsoft's recall about this fix. But MS looking at the report from heck's that Mark Tyson wrote up, but this is interesting, you know, the coming on the heels of this, of course, is Microsoft saying that they now have the ability to remove bad updates remotely from windows. Ten. So I can sure that's something that would have immediately affected this like you download you install this. And then it just disappears in the problems go away. So they can kind of flush it out. But. Now, once again, an example of on Microsoft is kind of using their actual user base quality control perhaps. Yeah. This. I don't think you're here's a patch. Oh, it didn't work. All right. Well, uninstall at them. And we'll try it again. I this point. I'm still kind of reeling from the you know, at this point. I I will say I've for the most part had really really good luck with most of the updates that have hit. I have had really terrible luck with finding my machine having restarted itself to install an update while I had something else going on. Yeah. You walk away. You come back. That's the windows ten lifestyle. Invidia bought Melania cts, which I thought was really curious. You know, they spend a lot of money doing it close to seven billion dollars is if you're not familiar with the name, it's an Israeli chip maker. And Intel tried to buy them not too long ago for a healthy six billion dollars. And this is actually something Invidia is targeting to advance their server business, something I didn't realize this article up on gadget was that video service business at this point is about a third of their sales. You know, so that's a fair chunk of money. And the reason the Intel is also interested in them is they do hide Ethernet Infinia ban networks or the chips. The that create the high speed networks that connect between servers which are primarily finding data centers in cloud systems. Do you think anything from this is gonna show up on the consumer side on the GPO side of things or is this purely an enterprise purchase? It seems to be and they have their own obviously on undock they're primarily concerned with GP's at this point. But they did their mobile play. I can honestly not think of any phones that are using tiger anymore. They may have completely doesn't some self from that, they're you know, the desktop or the star of the set top presidents. And of course, they're in the gaming world now because they they had that big win with Nintendo with the switch. But as far as this goes, even though there are a company that does, you know, some of those more like imbedded type solutions with high-performance chips. Like, you said, this is probably on that like enterprise side that we don't really cover. It is interesting. This is something that makes suddenly their stock lot more attractive, which may or may not invent something to do with it. But it's a lot of money to spend. And I didn't know anything about this company. I'm looking at six point nine billion. Dollars in something about a bidding war with Intel to buy in. It's like, well, obviously, this company has something to offer because you know to pretty heavy hitters. I would assume of the two in would be the one to triumph drew the line at some number but six point nine billion dollars in we see companies like apple by chip company, like the I semi PI semiconductor. I think it was called. Then it's like, there's a very specific reason for it. Just like when they shut down. I think it was called magic works. The company that developed the multi point capacitor touch that eventually went into the the first iphone, but I don't think they're buying this for technology in the same way. They're not the they're they're buying it for this is a company that has established products that are in using the industry. And I I wonder just how many years will take them to even come close to breaking even on this. But they enterprise is big business. I don't pretend to know very much about it. Sista? Obviously, they need to do something because their stock had been tumbling and significantly. So this does help certainly not it's enthusiasts like me or not gonna save their business or maybe even be like a long term viable solution to their business. They're you know, they're doing that boring corporate thing of, you know, diversifying and. Going into the enterprise space in a big way. So. I gotta say are you excited about the halo showing up on the P C? Again. I don't think he'll came out on PC. And I think Hilo to had a PC version. But yeah, it's been XBox only for years and years. I was never a halo player. I don't know about you. It somehow missed me completely. I wasn't a big PS player either. It's more of like a strategy game nerd on the P C for a long time. But. Wasn't Joe, and then I didn't have access to an XBox anymore. And it became kind of moot. Oh, yeah. That's the thing is anybody and believes son is going to be on steam. Yeah. Wow. One of the few things that's on steam anymore. It seems not the epic game store this other conversation. But it it brings it to a new audience, and it allows people who would have liked to enjoy again, but maybe aren't on XBox platform to get into it. I I'm curious as to how it will fare as far as the multiplayer aspect because everybody I would not be shocked at all. If there was a halo battle royale. Mod coming down the road. Now that this is on the P C again because that's what everybody wants apparently battlefield five battle royale. Is coming fortnight has changed everything. I guess. Yes. Is. If you know, this is this is the the mature option because fortnight's and there's absolutely nothing wrong with us. This is great. But it fortnight is largely a game enjoyed by kids like young people younger than me. And we're looking at demographics on fortnight actually last night and numbers that literally only report eighteen and up still that eighteen to twenty four is like two thirds of the base. But right, what is that slice? Because I imagine if you take like seventeen under playing fortnight that's gotta be at least like two thirds or three quarters of the entire base. So the the the younger set is definitely into fortnight. And then pay low is kind of a vintage classic thing. It's not like it's not Duke nukem three d level vintage, but as was in own early extremely popular multi player shooter experience. So it's the style stallion. Yes. Exactly. That's what they're they're selling you on the style. Joe of something that's ten years old. Plus, so we'll as of. A year ago? And may the distribution was. Yeah. Sixty two point seven percents eighteen to twenty four twenty two point five percent. Twenty five to thirty four twelve point seven percent thirty five to forty four and two percent forty five to fifty four in fort night players. So. Seventeen point four percent. Male twenty seven point six percent female. No numbers wonders I have not installed played fortnight yet. I wonder if there is a are people lying and saying there eighteen to install it. Or is it not a game that requires you to be eighteen is it'd be interesting to see what that like under eighteen user base is just it's gotta be just massive. Well, let me do some quick math to see whether or not this totals up to one hundred percents. It's been so long since I installed it. I can't actually remember. If it asks the age for the account. Sure does well it's ninety nine point nine percent. So they only looked at eighteen above in this one. Is night the the next Pokemon go will they lose? You know, eighty percent of their daily users by next year. Or will it continue will change everything? I had some fun this week, Shannon got hands on with the the new galaxy S ten which has not one not two three cameras on the back one of which works better than the other two. And hopefully, all of which will be improved in firmware. But if you wanna find out what's going on without I'm gonna platelet asked you to head to tech thing. I finally got a review done of Mata prices mini, delta three D printer. And I got this in our sought printing at a at an event, and I was like, wow, that's a pretty solid prints for a one hundred sixty dollar printer in part because the the first three D printer had access to I built. And it was it was one of those machines where you spend as as. You spent you spent it was like a one to one ratio between tightening zip ties and tweaking things to print time in the prince were atrocious. But it was a sub three hundred dollar printer which is a minor miracle at that point ended up with a nicer printer bot later on this pretty fantastic. I played around with it that also built from a kit played around with another half dozen printers. And this was really amazing for me because it was a hundred sixty dollars. It is really solidly built. There's still sub frame. The that upright frame you're looking at is aluminum it felt fairly burly. Some people have I did not crack open the guts. But underneath that. If you if you're looking at the video right now, you can kind of see the tower. It's a delta design what she's has three sets of legs. So it looks like a hyperactive spider. When it's printing, you know, very simple easy to use control panel big colorful LCD with three buttons. You know? Some people have suggested that the wiring inside of the cases attr-. She's in can be improved. And this is certainly I decided it was amazing. Right. Because he comes they test of an echo Katie from the factory, and for the better part of like months that was the only thing I could successfully get to print out of it. There were issues. You know, I never actually got the the the cure installation or the cure software. That was came from the factory the profile for the curious off where that came from the factory was kind of a cure is actually a pretty sweet package, but it was amazing because between read it's and then the MP mini delta websites, which is an enthusiast website that was put together I don't know if it was by consumers or by Mon apprise, but monta process now, this is one of the products where it's like, the the I say, the K seventy laser cutters where there's piece of hardware, and then a whole group of people a creed around it and over time, it becomes somewhat more functional and useful because everybody knows the tricks in the hacks the tips, but there is a guy named Brian Kurtz puts. Together profiles, so this printer and in the video, you can kind of see like balls of actually. It's amazing. The difference between a good profile in a bad profile is. This being a three d prints. Of course, the camera will focus on it. Because it's such a, you know, just think of spider vomit. I is something that actually looks like the three D printed top I was trying to make. And it was it was literally like the difference between six unsuccessful prince at a row and a perfect print on the first try was having the the correct profile for the three D printer. And I say this in part because three printing is on people still think it's like I'm going to buy this thing and download stuff from thingy version would put him out. It's going to be awesome. But it was not awesome is really really frustrating. And you know, I also had a harbor freight moment when the printer because did not look underneath the three D printer. When I pulled it out of the box and put it on my recycled with my own pretty little Princess, hands oak tabletop and the kitchen and immediately gouged chunk out of the the table in the kitchen because one of the feet was missing. That said I've done a ton of printing on it outside of some some issues with. Feeding the filament into it. It's actually been phenomenally solid wealth functional. There's are hacks for it to make it sound quieter third. Parties have created boards. You can defy it with there are borough silicate glass print plates that a lot of people recommend upgrading the factory print plate too. But if you want to if you don't need a huge built size because it's essentially I want to say one hundred and ten millimeter circle that it prince two it's in I wanna say one hundred twenty millimetres high. So it kind of prince a cylinder rather than a square if you wanna play around with something that's easy to use. And does a pretty good like it's fifty Micron layers of a half millimeter layers. You know, if you if you get those profiles and run the latest fear of version of Kira works, really really, well, they also have a another printer. I I might outs that does not print as thin layer. It's it's running. Millimeter layers, but the MP select mini-treaty printer v two which has a significantly larger build volume are Sumi point one millimeter layers, not not like not one the one layers would be huge. But they're also there were a couple of other issues with the the mini delta. It's very primitive USB or very primitive wifi chip. So if you're if you're five gigahertz in two point four gigahertz networks have the same name. It will get confused and not be able to pick in will not log into your wifi. So to change in in between that and the USB not really wanting to connect to several computers for trying to do. I just output by files to micro de card and use the micro St. card to print, you know, buffer underrun it's gonna be a problem on USB with three D printers. So I tend to avoid that anyway. And you know, I didn't want to rebuild. I didn't want to have to. Set a bunch of machines in my house after I changed part of by my desk by dish mesh network through change the SSID for the two point four gigahertz network. But if you're looking for one, it's pretty good. It's essentially, you know, what what monta prices doing is rebranding. And in this case in a couple of the other models volumes cysts, three D printers out of China that are that are being rebranded and sold over here. I liked it initially. It was one of the most frustrating products of ever dealt with. And once I finally cobbled onto the tools to make it print properly. It was amazing. And I've seen different applications in profiles make a difference on a printer before, but none as dramatic as as this one did so thinking about three D printers, and you don't want to spend a ton of money. This might be one to look at. And they have so many printers there, so many three d printers and. And some pretty actually amazing planer magnetic headphones for the money the five five sixty five c which is a closed Oper ear planner magnetic. That's right now Sahlin for two hundred bucks down from the original price of two hundred and thirty. It is a fantastic piece of gear for the money. Not the you need anymore headphones in your life, sir. I have hey, I have very few headphones in relations. Whoe speakers. So there needs to be about you need balance in your life and wonder what initio? Yeah. The one thing. I just have kept myself from ever delving into is the separates or old. I don't have any separate pre-empts and power amplifiers. I just have integrated amplifiers, but headphones, you know, I'll have like three or four or five pairs of headphones at a time. And then I have a hard time. Buying more speaker problem, he only five cents add there were some dark times in the speaker era in this house, where I it was like I owned a hi fi shop like he was like, oh, I've got like seven pairs of bookshelf. Speakers have got like three towers speakers here and. I could have made up a little showroom, but I'm pretty much just down to my maggie's for my tower. Speakers I have a pair of canton's which actually have some of the best trouble of ever heard. This like, you know, is it worth keeping a pair of speakers. Just 'cause I like the tweeter 's absolutely, then various brights, like if I if I want to hear this song, I want to hear this drum solo with those tweets, but you know, really all they do is collect dust just like my magnet pans to. And I ended up using bookshelf speakers or headphones all the time. That's another matter. Thanks for bringing up headphones, by the way. Tomato price now like two hundred dollars for planer headphones. That's like one hundred dollars less than the cheap. Even those inexpensive ones. From hyper axe were based on the odds. Aor odyssey is it odyssey. Your day is anybody know odyssey odyssey on okay. I've interviewed signed car. I said odyssey. He did. Not correct me. So I'm going to roll with that assume it's correct. But is it odyssey or Odisea? I just say odyssey. Okay. If they change it a let, you know. One one last. Well, let's stop for we go. It is not Saint Patrick's dates day. It is pied day as Kevin our beloved producer end Sebastian pointed out to me ignorant fool that I am. So I immediately to compensate for my lack of knowledge found out that today. Google calculated a new record breaking number of digits three thirty. I just look at that number and just cringe thirty one point four trillion digits of Archimedes, constant on Google cloud. Of course, this was a testament to the glories of Google cloud infrastructure, which I think they're well, the, it's it's awesome. It's if you're a math nerd, this is exciting. If you're not a math bird nerd, it's still kind of exciting. But yeah, they're run on Google cloud. And then why cruncher quote, a pine beta benchmark program developed. By Alexander j using a Google compute engine virtual machine cluster and. It's pretty crazy. You can gain access to this. And they have this pie dot delivery service. Right. But I love the group. Name is Google group pie. Dash three one four one five nine two six five three five. Eight nine seven is the name of the group. This is for the very the math enthusiasts in your life. It's just it's just forty dollars a day to keep the cones assists. If you for your you ex if you scroll up a little bit, the there's a box with additional detail for everybody watching on the video right there. One hundred eleven point one shooting one hundred eleven point eight days of total computation time. Total start to end time. One hundred twenty one point one days ninety six virtual CPU's with one point four terabytes of ram. And then it just gets really crazy. Then it gets crazy. The twenty four nodes within one standard sixteen sixteen virtual CPU's gigabytes of memory, ten terabytes investors. The persistent disk attached to each node Twitter, forty terabytes total one hundred seventy terabytes us maximum. Total disco nine point zero to PETA bites. Read seven point nine five pedal bites written that's PETA bites. Kids pedal bites are very very big numbers. Yeah. Yeah. It's one thousand twenty four terabytes or million gigabytes. So. Yeah. Google. I just. Yeah. Chat out to computers advancing are mathematical knowledge. I am utterly fascinated slightly terrified by the idea of of running in application for one hundred twenty one day. Wow. That's a long time. I think about it. The people were running applications for far longer than that trying to score a bitcoin awhile back. So at least this knowledge, all yeah. Hundred twenty one as I've been running this thing for two years, I'm eight eight dollars. The power Bill. Oh my goodness. Yeah. The power bills can be a little terrify. I was going for a transition. They're completely lost. It. Speaking of terrifying. What's coming up at PC for just didn't seem appropriate? But speaking of terrified what's coming up at PC per. My mind is a blank there's there's a lot of stuff, and they got a couple of tops in. I know that you recently looked at Lenovo laptop over at tech thing. So we have a couple of those look at lots more components motherboards, some new coolers, we're looking at have no more cases. In fact, similar to the corsair case, we looked at today that six eighty x be quiet, which is, you know, the German company that specializes in the ultra quiet cases in their very reserved in and their German company that kind of has that sort of Mercedes-Benz aesthetic. It's very understated. A lot of black. In fact, almost every one of their products is black tile comes to mind. Yeah. Well out of nowhere at CAS. They had a white case with RGB lighting, which is the very first time I've ever done it. But it's it's interesting because it's not just another RGB case. It's it's very. Subtle in. It's not what you might expect. That's my teaser for that. I'll probably get that up at some point in the next week. But you know, it never ending string of computer components at the site. Hopefully, we're launched his re released a couple of weeks. I mean, I need a break. With that. Ladies and gentlemen, you've been listening to twitch this week in computer, hardware, twits will show four guess, what hardware all the hardware mobile. Desktop consoles games. We love it. To learn more about the show and find older episodes, and how to subscribe, please, go to Twitter dot TV slash TWA. See eight more. Mr. Sebastian peak, you can head on over to PC per dot com. 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Podcast #586 - NVIDIA GTC 2020, Thunderspy

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Podcast #586 - NVIDIA GTC 2020, Thunderspy

"Pc perspective videos podcasters sponsored by be quiet and the all new pure base five hundred DX case featuring three hearings two hundred and forty millimeter fans AARP lighting and USB three point. One Gen two type C connectivity. The pure base five hundred deacs is optimized for maximum with a sleek elegant design available now in black and white guys. Welcome back to the perspective. Podcast this episode five hundred and eighty six. I think yes be recorded on today. May Fourteen two thousand twenty. I'm Sebastian peak. I'm Jeremy Hallstrom. A Intel never used five eighty six. They were mad at. Amd because other companies were calling their stuff. Five eighty sixes and. That's well came out with the whole pentium thing in so yeah. I'm Josh Walrath. I'm a breakfast spurred still Jim is behind the scenes this week. He is The puppet master and Let's just get right into it because we have a list of news which Jim Claims is not very lengthy but It's like eighteen items long. I think as Google signs me out and I logged back. Okay Oh hey. Let's get into top stories obviously yesterday. The world's first as far as I know kitchen note knows today I don't know when he reported it but we got a kitchen note this morning at nine am eastern prerecorded GTC Keno from Jensen. Wong Jeremy You wrote a brief overview of this with One of the best subtitles in recent memory and the status through the the insane list of things have come out. I mean the the Big One and we're GONNA cover this. Exhaustively very quickly is the the brand New Jersey one hundred. It's just going with a brief overview. It is a huge jump from previous generations. Some of the quotes were were saying. Essentially Ace. If you were to set up fifty of these digi x one systems serie five you would Of the digi x one hundred you would be equivalent of fifty of the previous generation of their GPU HPC computing. But to be honest. The real big thing is that you don't those five brand new systems will chug through about twenty eight kilowatts of power In in a set period of time supposed to six hundred thirty of the Previous Tesla version. That's a huge cost savings and know just amazing leap forward in power efficiency. They these are the giant systems that you will be buying if if you're an Amazon or by do or one of the very large once they also put together the redstone. Each Jacks which is not in card. And it's got four eight one hundred. Gp's sitting on a single ad in cart so again you've got incredibly dense amount of computing power. But it's you know it's trimmed down a little bit as far as price goes because one of the things they did was skip the The envelope that you'll see on those which you know with the the recent acquisition of melanoma cts and some previous things you know they turn this into this giant. Vca Express Envy vme over fabric absolutely brilliant thing. But if you're looking for something a little more affordable the car that you're looking at now the eight one hundred by dropping the envy link and just sort of setting up mash system. You're still getting the vast majority of the computing power that you would with the significantly higher investment. But you're dropping power consumption because you don't have this chick sitting in the middle doing traffic control and you know it's it's significantly smaller. And as I said we'll go in deeper into the architecture of those suggest the quick little overview of what the been rocking lately. They've had a huge win With their Isaacs robotics platform so. This is You know a neural net training system where you're looking for robots to learn how to most efficiently do a specific industrial job as well as simulating very very accurately. The perks are going to be working with so that you can actually do it. Virtually as opposed to you all building it from scratch and finding work too well so the BMW group has moved to the Isaacs robotics platform so this goes beyond. Just the cars. This is their entire industry will be using The these new video cards to be end systems to produce the next generation of five robotics on the assembly line and again it just the jump. In performance and efficiency is amazing. If you're more into networking We've already talked a little bit about how the melanoma connect six connect x six LX smart. Nick will work Originally discussed it it was about teaming the two twenty five gigabit sports. You can see there on the card into a single fifty gigabytes connection. It's to borrow a phrase pure fucking magic. It's amazing they can do with this sort of thing and it's going to be dropped in to these systems so because they're literally processing fast enough that you're going to be looking at five gigabytes in San well. We've pretty much shot saturated that we're GONNA need to pick up a few more. These are going to be in a PC four but they will be compatible to PCA three and last but not least Is the NVIDIA Clara Health Core Platform? This is something I've been working on for quite a while and the idea is that you know hospital hardware is terrifying That you will find windows. Nt stole powering. You will find things that have not been updated in God only knows how many years so the idea with this is that they should be able to use the Clara healthcare platform to take information from the existing sensors and Internet of things. Make it a smart sensor and the idea being instead of having very rough copy of what someone's health records look like Beauty KGB pulse rate. Whatever they're able to monitor it and give you exact Patterns figuring out. What exactly is going on with your patient and you know. They're not going to be predicting what sort of treatment you should give them. But it means that they've got a much better idea of what is happening. So the doctor can look at a patient record and say you know every night at three o'clock in the morning Is hurt seems to go off and funding off. The made keeps bugging your vacuum in about the same time. But you know it's good information to be able to help heal people along with this They now hold the speed records of Com- competing the entire human genome. Remember back you know. Twenty years ago when it was several years to Map Human Genome Clarice prayer bricks is doing it in less than twenty minutes which I it's outer insanity now we've already got the human genome mapped To an extent we don't know what everything does but we know where it is now. What this does is for any sort of genomics especially the one that. We're all currently Aware of that needs to be a lot of research in it. is You know sequencing a Indiana's especially certain or any virus that's going around right now and it it's GonNa offer huge amounts of processing power those want it. And if you're saying to yourself well you know they're pretty strapped for cash right now. Hospitals aren't exactly go out and upgrades pallets of pallets of systems. Well invidious offering a free ninety day license to any and all that are doing legitimate cove nineteen research right now. So they'll be able to suddenly get their hands on a tool for free that if the taxes that can interface with it has the power to turn Decades in two minutes. So it's very interesting to see how this is gonNA play out. It's very very interesting and As you're as you're going to hear from Johnson Sebastian. The reason it's so amazing is some of the architecture that lies behind all this unless they don't WanNa talk about well. He's all numbers the size of this thing. It's seven meters but look at the sizes set. Eight hundred twenty six millimeter squared. You the entire billion transistors. Is that the entire package size or just the GPO die but it was just the die. That seems awful. Big Question it doesn't it's acas vocally In so I don't know I don't know I guess I could probably do some in frontier in figure things out but I thought the eight hundred. Some odd was was the entire package with the substrate. And you know the interpose were but they call it something different. Yeah see that thing that looks. I don't know thirty five by thirty five. It's in it's in the video if you watch. Jensen's kitchen note. He has one propped up behind him. Good does that much. The version these fabulous. That's the only version of southwards Oddest is like way past the the maximum radical size of a two meter processes. That I know of I mean. Ibm does some stuff up there that you know our BBC's aside small dinner plate. Yeah now. I I don't know kind of drawn a blank but yeah fifty four billion but if you think about it. In video with this generation is really taking to process node jumps because they were tsmc sixteen nanometer which was essentially kind of a twenty nanometer back end With Finn Fat and then twelve nanometer was just kind of optimization of that based on some things in video wanted done but it didn't really shrink the size very much. An performance didn't increase dramatically that some but with this TSMC seven nanometer. I mean there. It's like young jumping from thirty five. Nanometer could Lord thirty three thirty to thirty two nanometer to a fourteenth. So that's that's pretty massive and Yeah they've done some interesting things we hadn't you know had the deep dive into all. They've change they did hint at some things. Probably the one or more interesting things were how they handled now. core now. We thought that you'll probably GONNA have more units in this. Well no it's it's pretty much exactly the same even though it's much bigger chip. But they've got like five times the performance Out of these. These cores AMS because they've re architect did them to output a tremendous amount more. I mean if you kind of saw a little video I mean did this this kind of Matrix. Except so it's let's say if it's five widen about five deep and fifteen long. It probably. Isn't that in reality? But anyway It was only activating really one of those one of those five kind of columns. And so you'd see the the data chemistry through that and then a jump to the next one to the next one the next one and repeat and so that's kind of a very basic visualization of how the previous records have done now. They've got essentially all of those columns and rows just going. I know I'm sorry. Coms Rose Matrix. It's not it's not accurate but I wish that I could visualize that better for you and actually have some real honest to God. Just paint paint picture. Most of our Josh saying is they're not sending us one so anyway Basically they five times as the through put on these new cores than they did previously just because the way they re architect the hell they do data and then how power efficiency works and all these things and so it's it's it's a big step forward and they didn't really probably have to increase. Dice is just from the tentacles themselves to get that throughput. I mean they obviously had to do some things because their limitations on the previous generation. How that the now now? It's just smoking. It and Didn't go into again A lot of the things with the other shaded colours. They talked a little bit about the memory. It's all. Hp AM TO E. I think is what they're calling it. Yes like five thousand. It's wide one million. Four terabyte is that was a higher than that. It's one point was the actual number on Invidia site is one thousand five hundred fifty five gigabytes per second. So they're calling at one point six terabytes per second bandwidth on a five thousand one hundred and twenty bit boss. That's a lot of bad one hundred eight as Sam's on this thing too so six thousand nine hundred twelve Khuda cores. Of course the arrangement of these is is if you look at an SM. It's separate thirty two like half full precision double precision core so it can be sixty nine twelve if you're at full precision in town of that if you're at a double precision the tensor court count is down though. That's the thing like I initially saw. It went from six. Forty Tesla V. One hundred to only four hundred thirty two tenths records on this. But that is these are the new third third-generation sensor courses. You just mentioned they have the bigger Matrix eight by eight by four instead of four by four by four. So they're supposedly twice as fast access nature redesign as opposed to just upgrade. I think it's more than twice as fast but anyway but yeah it's it's tremendous amount more per tension core than what they were previously able to do. Yes in fact. I did a little googling by the way Josh and according to how the call with reporters that Jensen had before the announcement this morning it is in fact that huge number is the dice is almost thirty two millimeters in one dimension almost twenty six millimeters in the other dimension for just the die so it's it's a massive die again thirty two by what six Lisa six twenty six thirty two. Wow that's a big stunk. In die there is. It's no wonder why each one of these taxes cost one hundred ninety nine thousand dollars eight of the layout is on it then a paltry six hundred gigabytes a second bandwidth between him though. I mean Mellon seems like it would slow it down. Yeah well don't worry. Yeah this is this is Jen. One of 'em it's okay but a of Third Jhangvi link that and it. It's a name only it envy link. It's not the same like you know you put the the bit on the end of your graphics cards that's NBA. Lincoln name. Only this is totally different The Vivian thing that Kinda stood out to me and I got a cat meowing and me we she just leave me alone sometimes but anyway They went from Intel platform to amd so there to sixty four core amdi Rome race server processors that not only give you one hundred twenty eight you know regular x eighty six cores. Well Yeah Yeah now and then two hundred fifty six threads but it's the only platform that has PCA four point. Oh available to them and of course the new ampere stuff is all four point on and when you take one of those boxes and you have that kind of Based performance in in in Ohio They also have what fifteen terabytes of. Mvp four point -O storage. You're correct sir. Yeah it's a tremendous amount of bandwidth in that entire thing and yeah. Amd was kind of the only only company that could provide that in. Del Hasn't been able to and so it's not like amd is going to sell a tremendous amount of processors with these. Because I have no idea how many Digi XS ever get sold? I mean honored thousand. Maybe me most. Yeah I mean. I wouldn't expect huge numbers. Bud Boy. That's a kind of sitting in the catbird seat in terms of features overall performance Seven nanometer bad. Tdp's Th the amount of memory that each one of those can can address. I mean it's just it's one terabyte regular memory in there which is which is beautiful but bus bandwidth so big winner for them here. So I I mean they've got a lot of PC lanes coming out of those one hundred twenty eight a piece. Think so remember. I can't remember my mind is seriously just this has been a law powers of two. She's just they're just so many powers of two out there. It's confusing sometimes. Well Hey we've own somewhere where pizza for Makes a Lotta sense because this will that definitely definitely looking give it. Yes so anything to say that Sebastian. No I don't I just WanNa talk about this a real five demo okay. Let's go to look. We're not GONNA get one. It's it's amazing. They make incredible data center products but fit but physically physically. I couldn't help but notice that when you when they were demonstrating pulling it out of the rack to for servicing and like a union exploded. Parts Diagram that there was like a mini rack inside of it that that multiple pieces although added ninety degree angle. And I'm like I've never seen that. I thought that was brilliant. Really Nice. It's said dominating design it has nothing to do with anything other than I just thought. It was neat. It's apple ask. Attention to detail was clever. Ads can lie there. They were talking about fifteen kilometers of Optical cable yes they used to span in between to the digi XS. Yeah that's insane. I'm one entire hardware stores worth of screws in every unit pretty much. Yes yeah that's insane Kevin. The last thing that I took away from this is is. This gives us a little bit of idea Where we're sitting come fall when the the invidia consumer graphics comes out obviously we're going to have smaller chips less performance but still If you look at the jump from the V. One hundred did this. I mean it's it's really impressive and we can kind of expect that kind of jump When when the thirty eight or whatever the Hell I want to call related. Ti comes out For the consumer side. It's just going to be kind of ludicrous. I don't know if we're going. See any real increase in in memory capacity and memory speeds are. I think we're still going to be you know G. Ddr six type stuff on three hundred and eighty four zero five twelve bit. Bus gets three eighty four right. Yeah it is yes it would be if it was the full. Gp Yeah but they're gonNA memory's not a big deal at this point. Because I think probably so much cash and journal it's It's GonNa be nuts and Yeah it's going to be interesting to To finally see you know Editors Day Architecture Day where we get to of go through more with you find tooth comb to see what they have done compared to previous generations and what we can expect but I think that performances is going to be very very very good and unfortunately they're probably going to pay while they're going to charge a lot of money for h Watson. There's not going to be a whole lot of competition may be sure we've got. Nabi two coming out but I don't think that it's it's Yeah. I mean yeah but if I can get seventy percent of the performance for fifty percent of the price be okay. Then yeah and knock on. Wood is happens but yeah yeah and rumors of a much more usable artifacts functionality in between software and hardware. So that's going to be nice. That could be mounted announcement because yeah because they're the third generation tensor course since the performance is more than double is they're saying you know variable to fit the same number of course in the next generation desktop part that performed more than twice as fast suddenly rt X. becomes a lot more viable. Obviously you don't have to resort to deal assess and up sampling in. I will say added at the foot as a footnote to the the news posts about the ampere. One hundred is that Market Watch I saw the quote from the investor. Call a press briefing. Actually where he said that it was asked if ampere will replace invidious touring and Volta Chips on a single platform that streamlines their GPA lineup and his response was unquestionably et Cetera. So I mean it just sounds like they're moving in a direction where this will make it to g force but we will see. Obviously nothing is forthcoming. There was no announcement about any consumer products today but there was and I was just reminded of something that I needed to bring up the more. You buy the more you save strata Johnson's stirrup. And by the way you absolutely need to watch some of these videos just to see the kitchen like what's going on in the kitchen. There's one man on cities until the city and then on the other side of the counter for we could talk about the kitchen for a while like the wooden cutting board with the mysterious print on it is that a is mark a Mahat. A HOT PAN. What's going on there? on the counter behind him there is a graphics card. You can see the box but if you look closely. Because of course are uploaded in four K. They're brilliant looking. It's a twenty seventy super. The CEO of the company can't get a Titan RT X. What's going on here on allocation man twenty? Ti Guy so yeah even disappointed reviewers actually knows what model of stove that is. I saw that. Okay that and it's apparently built into a shrine which is interesting piece of equipments hounds. Now they said it's it's fifty Powell. Okay okay now. Okay with a with pause Jim. Can we go back there for a second? I want to explore this briefly behind the counter in the background. You can see what looks like a like a like a fence like barrier. This is a second floor atrium kitchen on this floor. This is the upstairs Maybe knows it's just a walk down to the lower level Jensen's billionaire. He can have whatever you want. Sure can't you tell from this ground level or not? We depend on you for these sort of things Sebastian. It's it's difficult to say because I think he probably had some extra lighting in the room. I'm just saying I think he related natural light. State had a camera person. Yeah it's it's really. I think it's probably really house. But it's it's like his house built into a sound stage so this a five hundred million dollars all right. Let's move on to something dying inside. I know it's only been half an hour on the first story. On religion. Five going well then revealed allegedly running on a playstation five live. I guess they ended up being thirty second fourteen. Forty P I think is what I read but it looks unbelievable like I'm struggling to believe this was A. Ps Five but an xbox fans are not pleased. Say the lease that this is like. Ps Five is all over all of these announcements and all like the digital found redid their breakdown of it. You can watch a video. Where they're talking to epic guys and they're literally taking you on a guided tour through this world and letting you look at the eight K textures on these rocks and move around. Change the lighting and they. They made a big deal out of some of the natural motion that they're capable of of introducing like predictive footfalls and some of these more natural hand motions and movements programmed in which. I didn't really think much of until they showed the girl walking through a doorway and just sort of without thinking she puts her hand on the door frame she walks through and it looked very natural. So they've they've put a lot of extra time into some of the details that will help Make this look more lifelike. I always find walking in game so it kind of stiff. So maybe this fixes everything. I'd love to see some game. Supported over unreal five Just the difference but I did you guys watch this Tech Demo. Blow you away so many triangles. I'm watching it now. And Yeah that's impressive as hell for this. I WOULD BE FINE WITH THIRTY FRAMES. A second especially it looked. I was watching this on a high resolution display and if you pump. The Youtube video goes up to four K. It looks just like you're looking at what looks like photo realistic textures. Zoom in so the other. The other half of this story is that The engine is available without encumbrance. Up to you. Know some sort of million million dollars of commercialism E F. You develop something with it. It's amazing I mean it's this engine is obviously topnotch latest hardware console. Harbor is GonNa Service it really well even if it is locked thirty frames. Let's we don't have to go there. Yeah amazing so yeah. The license arrangement on. This is really incredible. What they're doing here is littered literally. You build something with this until you make a million dollars it's Pretty much unencumbered with no license server. So this weirdness going on with your debt boxes and stuff like that where you couldn't check out your license. Occasionally to weirdness So good on them. I think we're going to see some really interesting games. Developed with so really. They're opening this up so that independent or not well-financed developers can get a crack at no high end world building. I mean there's add ons that new cost money but you don't need them and to be honest you know at that point that you've broken the million dollars where they started asking for licensing it doing pretty good. You can probably afford it. Yeah so unfortunately when you hit that one million mark yet to pay them five hundred thousand. Yeah well back. It's just a rumor you know it's it could be. I don't know hey you have to spend money to make money right. You know that's true. We're back to in video ago. Amdi we're back to bending so say on the stay the course we're talking about our DNA to graphics. Of course. Starring consoles empty was quick to I. I read a press release for Mandy about this. Mike. Wow Amd's new unreal engine five on amd's new playstation console. It's amazing how they do. Let Sony distribute console for them though. It's only as a clever turn of phrase but sure. Yeah I mean Sony Design the outer. Shell I guess so they can. They can take credit for that speaking of MD. I don't know if you remember but was a year and about three months ago. Four months ago the Glorious Radio Seven Graphics Card was released itself a out for the Radio Sumer itself a consumer variant with higher clocks of a m. I was at the fifty. The reunion instinct. Fifty was one of the cards. Fifty six it's Vega twenty. Gpu Sixteen gigabytes of M. Two and we obviously covered that quite extensively when it first came out and we had one at launch and benchmark did and it was close to the performance of Anarchy X. Twenty Eighty. It depended on the game but it could actually be. Rt Twenty Eighty and the twentieth super happened and it kind of fell into obscurity and it was expensive it launched. Its six ninety nine and they. I don't think they were making a ton of money on it because of all that each pm to fast forward to today or within the last twenty four hours or so we've seen radio on pro seven launch. They've taken radio on seven and it has a different shroud and I think slightly lower clocks. Yeah the peak. Gpo clock seventeen. Five megahertz down from seventeen fifty with the radio on seven and the TV. The powers lower. I mean they. They've I don't know if it's through binning or just threw down clocking at but they've they've hit two hundred. Fifty Watt target with this and of course the radio on seven had art absurd artificially reduced p sixty four performance. It was at one quarter so now it's only at one half so you get double the F. B. Sixty four six point five teraflops up from three and a half. So it's it's the same thing it's Vega twenty. It's in a different package. It significantly more expensive and it has professional level drivers support. I was going to observe that. This new card from AMD has a striking resemblance to a slightly under clocked maybe slightly rerouted under tuned. Apple MPM module. They gained a lot of experience in that space similar single precision performance half the H. B. M. Memory Bandwidth of course is the same due to the H. B. M. A. Plus ing up that up. But I'M GONNA guess that they probably took some of the technologies and techniques that they had in building that NPR's module and said you know we're getting some silicon that is not apple quality. Let's do something with it just throwing that out there. How you to sleep Sleepword Laudi? Hey that's Apple. Caudal amount of wheat asleep We said this last time about Apples whipping intel part numbers for their. Cpu's that they don't sell to anybody else so I'm not going to disqualify that statement. I'm going to stick by it. Okay Bold Vega serious is long legged and long live. We've seen that virulence a long time and Vegas going to make its comeback. Now Elaine this product but in the The integrated Reisen four thousand series. So they just can't get their. Gp You stuff together. I mean how well I guess. That's what happens when you invest all you are indeed CPU's and Kinda of put everything else on the back burner which admittedly has worked out pretty well for AMD. But they're still in the midst of pumping pumping up the GP US. What's going on with Radian Technology Group Josh? Why don't we have big big? It's it's it was not made in a day now. It took about three years nice. Nice yeah but It's GonNa be the same thing with us is that the stuff is like talking to the armed guys. The other day they were you know when when when they have an editor's Day they kind of have to reset their minds back about three years Because you know they started on the stuff. Essentially a couple years ago and then it all kind of came to fruition and then after that. It's all verification getting everything going so that it can be productized and so you know they. They've got two generations of stuff that sitting in their heads that they're still working on while the stuff that they're announcing is all finished up and has been for a long time. And so it's the same thing with MB is. They've got these products in the pipeline. And it just takes a while and if you throw one hundred million dollars at at RND. I you're not going to see that. Pay Off until four years from now and so it's GonNa take a while for. Amd to get back up because they really haven't been making money in probably you know. Tell the last two years where they could actually start pumping these things up. So yeah we're we're we've got some some crumbs coming our way. But that's it's going to be at for a while. Does that mean you're going to be right in some of that? Seven sixty eight G I down. That's what you're talking to them about now. Oh I don't even know what the same as it's it's Qualcomm and arm built on arm just like almost everything isn't on our technology. I tell a tenth generation desktop. Gosh Oh that I almost on how technology you can preorder those things like most people. You're on new ED constantly. The page and hitting notify to see when you can score mortgaging were I nine. Ten Nine Hundred K. For just five twenty nine ninety nine now that initial price we we never really know prices until we see him in retail obviously our e tail but the the four hundred eight dollars price was the one thousand unit trey price so obviously retail. It's going to be a higher looks like it's going to be five twenty nine ninety nine and of I got an email blast from new egg about this a few days ago. Click on it and of course. This is the processor that sold out so without immediately. I have no idea how many they had to sell their sold out currently but Some ginger bought the Malda the numbers and I don't know I don't know if he was able to out of stock though not even notify on the I seven. Who Much to throw that there. You go up nope sorry. Just threw a picture in the chat. I think we should throw that up. Oh nine ninety nine to ninety you know. Why don't you get to want for you and a friend available ninety eight not even nine ninety nine. That's why be greedy. Hose it shipped. May Sixteen. Who is this? There's a lot of unanswered questions here. But Hey the tenjin processors. They're real their retail. They're not that far above the one keidanren. You buy happiness yet are those actually. I note that there have been announced. Are they actually available good question? I don't know if you didn't see any special people have. Yeah I'm special it can you can pre-order him but see rg maximus twelve hero. Wifi has pre order for three ninety nine ninety nine. I'm so there's other thirteen hundred dollars. Motherboard it sure is extreme or is it. Rs Aris. I don't know I always thought it was a artists. Okay that sounds fine. I'm struggling to understand the difference between these two a sports though. How is the Maximus twelve hero? I see the other ones. The extreme extreme is inexpensive board bowling. Not Rise I will take better care bad. Bad things releasing a six hundred seven hundred dollar motherboard. Tell them with a twelve hundred dollar motherboard. We're dropping the price the processors but wait till you see. Our mother bore the mother. Words have to be pretty Beefy the power delivery needs to be pretty good. So that's it's the total platform cost is fairly high and it'd be real curious and cooling with these puppies since you're making excuses. No I think it's Kinda funny like if you were to buy into this platform right now. You get the rumors are you. Get One more. Cpu You'll get was it elderly or I can't remember the name of it. The whatever the next architecture is On this eljay twelve hundred and then that's it and in the past a lot of amd platforms have been kind of one and done you buy What was it seventy? Jen was on the two hundred series and then immediately went to Coffee Lake and you had to be on a three hundred series board right and so like Z. One seventy went to Z. To seventy age seventy and then it went to the Z. Or three hundred nine. And then Andy if he wanted a ninth jen. Didn't you have to move up to z? Three ninety to support those Two flashed seventy slum good flash not all for recall. I just think I look at that. And that's just the way Intel users live. If you want a new processor you generally have to buy a new motherboard. And then we wasn't on the list but the the outcry among at least very vocal group of people about amd and always ability and people who have just learned that there is such a thing as a BIOS Rom size are now up in arms out the fact that there is a conspiracy theory you can actually fit as much as you want on any rom chip ever and and you know people have. Johnny pneumonic opt suitable little bit and it keeps and there's some side effects but it's and people have suddenly realized that if they're rom size wasn't big enough for the fourth for four thousand series. Cpu's that the computer they own right now suddenly stopped working. It's true I mean because you have to decision. Do you want your computer to function or do you want your computer to be upgradable. And all they really days all they really yes. They just suddenly with the knowledge of that in their head. Their existing computer ceased to function. No it's because these people were all going to upgrade to a four thousand series. The day of Chemo. Obviously that's why they're holding onto a beef that they all they all wrote. Amd warning them yup months ago. Okay Josh that sounds a little snarky Josh. That's on it's well you know I've got to go. It is Oh Thursday. Tis that time and I was. I was only pulling this whole thing down. I mean me trying to explain how the tentacles were being so incredibly wrong. I can't even can't but even were wrong. It just makes us more relatable. I guess Something like that. Yeah prevent someone will tweet about it. The professional is John Rental bad publicity. Patch well swift patch. Well Josh walks into that. What is the case since joining the something? Let's talk about some rumors from the rumor mongers. I won't call them that. Wc Tech has a mixed history in the Rumor Department. But they are talking. They're reporting. This is a reliable source of the Tom. Epi SACK are everybody's favorite twitter data miner. The rise in ninety nine hundred you CPU. And I've actually seen this rumor from a few places it's You tell me about this. I have not paid attention to this rumor. This is the eldest two eight core Renoir. Again another mobile processor using bigger graphics. Baker won't die enhance Vega though remember. It's going to be. It's going to be fast and not draw a lot of power reasonably fast. Four point four GIGAHERTZ sixteen threats. It's GonNa be nice if the US as a nation. The same as Intel for this is fifteen watts rather than the configure. Thirty five forty. Five Watt like the forty. Nine hundred H is So what was the variant? That's located H. S. H. S. Was the very unthinking not you. So they have excuse me. They have the H. Which is forty five watts H. S? Which is thirty five Watts? And now they're going to have formula forty nine hundred you with Intel Chen generation ish kind of clocks to to make this happen so one point eight Gigahertz base up to four point. Three gigahertz boost thus enabling them to hit a fifteen watt P. Which fifteen watts if TDP calculated the same way? As you know everybody else is. That's at one point eight Gigahertz so if you actually are using point three. Yeah we're GONNA have a little little overbuilt. He'll do great video playback tests. It's going to be thick boy laptop. Yeah which is funny because it's a fifteen watt CPU it's We need a throwaway. Tdp's TV's are all kind of a joke. This after agree with Ian on this one Non Tech Think. He recently posted something to that effect like. Ddp's or jokes or maybe. It was an older article when I was reading about skylight just for fun the other day. It still stands soon. Tdp's SDP you've got the other St If if you go into like a BIOS like A. Uf You you EFI setup up and you can you can look at power if you have that option available to you and you can look at hard numbers. What is the maximum power limit? What's the duration of that? And they pretty high. You can jump it up pretty high. But it's not this teepee number is just it kind of helps you understand. Oh this is sort of that class of product but no I would look at fifteen watson. Think Oh thin light but there's no way you're putting five watt part in a thin just climbing forty five. Yes there was a point when you look at our heat a heat sink and it would be rated A. T. Because back then it was actually meaningful yeah D.C. NPR on any heat sinks or water coolers lately that actually list that. I'm looking for a box equally. The they'll give you run there. Don't think the cooler master does be quiet will say like I think the dark rock slim says one hundred eighty. Watch run on the box. The bigger ones like the pro says two hundred twenty. What's in the box? And then the the big dual tower says two hundred fifty watts in the boxy. But is that rated teepee or maximum dissipation. So we'd have to ask them and then. How many pluses does it have beside it? Your eight hundred. Forty Watt plus plus plus plus. Td He does are different bosses while at this point. They're about the same clamping force. It will do this much with this. Many fans in this is water cooler with this kind of thermal face with this much clamping force or whatever the forces against a CPA when you mounted mounting force So yeah temperature is defined as you know four hundred some degrees Kelvin. No more no less. Can you give us some uplift? I I was going to ask you about this anyway. The thunderstruck thing the latest Security vulnerability well. This is a file on. I like this you all the good news original. How about that well? What's the bad news? If you've got thunderbolt and because intel mix thunderball that there are a couple of you. Know Prototypes were done by other companies. Which he might have your hands on. Just because you're that one person has to point out the year got one that's done into But yeah if you've got Intel Thunderbolt one two or three. It is unfortunately Physically insecure. It's not something that can be fixed by a firmware update. It is a hardware issue however One of the Nice People Edelman reach out to me and mentioned that Intel has published a response to the the research that was done by the university that don't quite have upright now yet that in theory there is a new colonel direct memory access protection. The Kellyanne mitigate against these so windows ten eighteen. Oh three and good. Lord get off that one Or Mac os ten point twelve point. Four which is. I don't know which name that would be Sebastian. You might tend to ten twelve this High Sierra. I believe okay so little newer high sierras end of the Sierra. Okay so the researchers from an hoven university weren't able to demonstrate a successful attack. If this was fully implement on the other hand they were able to demonstrate attacks against everything else on the planet and essentially. It's if they're able to get access to the system. It's a permanent thing because they're actually writing to the thunderbolt controller and are able to hide it because there is no security mitigation to say hi my firm whereas been changed and now. I'm just giving people direct access to your Dna and they write whatever the hell they want and irrevocable you would literally have to pull the ship out of it and replace it with another one. It's it's ridiculously terrifying. Because once they've got it in there They can then clone long story shortly. You're thunderbolt devices register themselves under your current users authorized user wants. This is in any. They can add fake thunder devices. And because you can chain thunderbolt this means they just stop one little thing on there. They've got complete and utter control over your system which is just what you look for in your hardware as technique. I mean what they're taking advantage of his DNA and Ama stands for direct memory access and what that allows a host of verses client devices to do or actually it's called host after mode when they're doing this is that it takes the CPU out of the mix which for the most part Unless there's some low level watchers going on it actually is is really great from a transport perspective. It was designed to speed up transfer of data from intelligent devices. Like those hung off of there. I say scuzzy or thunderbolt now now. That isn't that staff remember Remember you DMA. Yeah that's true that's true enacted that was that was one hundred that come out of one hundred one three thirty three thirty three all right so anyway what this was designed to do is obviously speed up transfers between a storage device and memory. So hey fantastic. We're not going to bomb the with us. We're just going to read some data whether whatever device it is whether it's a camera a hard drive or capture card or whatever we're gonNA stream it right into memory and not by the use of the CPU is spinning along. Doing its own thing and poof. The data shows up memory and then and then the the program that was asking for the data it gets control handed back to it man. All my data's here in the CPU is chugging. Along in your her face was smooth and everything was great and people loved it the downside. This is part of the downside. Is that if you can pretend to be a an various device. Which isn't that hard slightly more difficult on Mac because you have to have a blessing. They're like you the keys in order to get configured into Mac os the these devices have direct access to memory and can pretty much do whatever they want because that's part of the designed DNA protocol. It's designed in so you've got all full disk. Encryption in care doesn't matter doesn't matter you've caught BIOS level of security protection. It don't care it doesn't talk to it. It's just doing direct memory access. You know as you're saying it doesn't even talk to the things where most of your security is. Baked him right so the good news bypasses it bypasses it all by design so yeah. Good News This requires physical access to your machine. This cannot be done remotely in any way shape or form and essentially what the attack is. Is that if you were watching the video side you've seen but if you're on the audio version you need to unscrew to be able to get inside. You need to attach a flash programmer with CIVIC CLIP so that you can interface directly to that thunderbolt controller. So it's it's quick. I mean the way the the researchers described as if five minutes alone with your machine. This'll happen problem being that you know if someone's had five minutes of uninterrupted access to your machine there are so many fun things they could do to make your rest of your life completely and utterly miserable. So it's not likely you're GONNA see this but if it happens this is a terrifying. It's irrevocable it will skip every bit of encryption every bit of baked in close Securities software you got. It doesn't care so you know the honestly It's good advice. Just don't let strangers alone with your hardware. Yeah not if you have anything of value machine right right in the portal but that put that there you go random. That'll fix it right. There live apostasy not working. Jeremy this is the selling point for an apple laptop because they use. That was weird. Penta screws that you can't ever find a driver for and nobody's GonNa it'll take them ten minutes to find the driver to open it factor but yellow box. But I know they're not hard to find so if you were if you already equipped to do this and you have the second fina. Everything's ready to go. Yeah you can do this in a few minutes but I find these sorts of exploits personally to be a little overblown. They they make good headlines but same time. It's like okay. They need access to my machine then they need to actually get direct access and connect things to my board is not like somebody could just plug in a USB drive. And I'm postponed its well. We need Pinot. That's different vulnerability. Yes they they can do that too. Do you. Not Understand the concept of fear and panic in order to control people. Perhaps you've never heard of that. It's kind of new. You know. Now it's it's not like a theme right now. I just wonder if he'd heard of I don't live in a state that is consumed by fear and mistrust of so this is totally Alabama. But anyway yeah that's a that's headlines and hey you're going to get hacked if you don't take your computer to the bathroom every time you leave your desk. Yeah just do that so moving on. Amd has relaunched. You open an I am. I did not read up on this at all. Scott wrote the SOCK. Does anybody have any thoughts about I did? I did and I think the important point here is that Amd's partnering with an Open Source Mechanism to gain access more directly to their GP If anybody's ever program hardware and I've I've had to do it for capture systems and scanners and cameras and printers and stuff in the past. It's a pain in the butt. Especially when you've got to do it directly because you're talking memory and different memory spots in reading stuff out and clocking stuff and making sure things come and go and in a timely fashion. It's a real pain so amd not besides the software amdi sponsoring something like this is really great but putting in as out there as open source in giving people access to as Scott tried to emphasize and said you know open source ambien inclusion and if people aren't familiar with that with that is is when you're shooting essentially virtual light rays against objects and so it's not just to space you know obviously three. D. Space is when is when light interrupts an object up the light rain and includes other objects in the scene so having that open source and being able to program that directly actually really cool especially really really cool But my favorite thing about what they did was what they are calling their memory visual visualizing which many bodies have reprogrammed anything Anything complex that is grown to the point of where it's sort of has a mind of its own. Your often surprised when things fail within it and you start to trace. What's going on and looking deeply into the internals? It's the sounds dumb but it's often surprising to find out. What complex program is actually doing so this aspect of that they just released yesterday to pure deeply into what's going on inside of their memory subsystem? And how what you're putting into the graphics card is being mapped how much space it's taking Relatively speaking you guys have probably seen the file napper's that allow you to sort of crawl through a disk and it shows you relative size of things and hey what's this. Open it up and it gives you a visual representation of all that well. This is a mechanism for doing that when you're programming or graphics card which it's invaluable for figuring out what your program is actually doing and it can reveal some very surprising things so this is my favorite thing of that. They released in open source of easily accessible way Tomorrow is a developer's conference essentially a build it a conference in this is tomorrow. Friday the fifteenth as virtual of course Where they go over their tools tool chain Their design open sourced design stack for porting or creating your image processing systems into their card. They get some really clever stuff going on. Which would be great to learn about such as being able to do their processing A synchronous a back when I was doing a lot of embedded programming you tend to process graphics Using planes or in an like an x y coordinate system and you'd sort of had to process them kind of in a row or top to bottom or as a grid the way that you can program image restoration access or or seen processing is a synchronous league which means they can have portions of the graphics card and in an open source way have it processed things all over the scene and all over the restoration at the same time for doing different effects and sampling rates for texture mapping and restoration scaling and stuff like that. So it's really cool. This is sort of programmer deep. If people aren't into that than this doesn't mean anything to them. If you are then this is pretty cool. So thank Scott so if you know a company was to release Graphics Card had you know memory. That didn't all run at the same speed. This would show you that you could probably see. Address by address mapping because those two areas of of physical chips would be mapped differently into your address if you knew and it was consistent. It didn't do address random or anything. No reason for them to do that inside a gp you gotTa know where stuff is well. Maybe in some ways it is. I was just thinking of a address. Random Association or address location musician began to see. Yeah sure you could actually map it that way so you could visualize where you're actually need to worry about can get dumped over there and the rest of the on the full speed stuff or what. You would be surprised to find out where you're putting stuff where you're whatever it is. You're programming. Where am I storing this? Oh I just told it to just put it where the first available was if I use these extra parameters of my. Hey Hey graphic subsystem store this texture for me if I use the extra parameters to say a put that in low memory. Because I'm not gonNA need that for a while. Then you can optimize your programming and that's very important to understand what's going on and and to get the best out of your hardware. I don't know half of Balkh ninety percent. What you just said was white wire. Let's talk about this is i. Don't know if this crowd funded. This is a crowd funded monitor gaming. I WANNA be. I have never heard of this before now. Eve Devices in development is the spectrum monitors apparently designed by Gamers and the Eve Community. Their goal is to make the best gaming monitor in the world and it looks like a just a normal twenty seven inch fourteen forty P gaming monitor. I guess dismayed with an LG display panel. The numbers are not insane. I mean obviously it's very good range. It's it's a variable refreshment. It's forty eight to one hundred and forty four Hertz. Let's good you'd like to see at lower than forty eight. Ideally but it's compatible certified and it's a free sink premium pro. Ics One millisecond impressive now it says HDR ten price year. Four hundred certified is this. I doubt they are hitting the one millisecond number with well. I don't know I don't. I doubt this local dimming but so an IP PS display without local dimming is not going to regulate you are but I'm not saying that anywhere are they? Are they saying upscaling? Adler they putting it out there. As as professional hd are tight quality or they say the point as Jim is trying to steer me back on point for that is afraid. Lines Monitor what. May I ask? Why this these space? You might point one if it's a Q. Hd resolution hundred and forty four Hertz Cave version. They've got a four caver vary came on forty four there we go the ASI neier cooking with pixels and that is amazing. That's bad with baby and to be on a squishy at two forty s. Still to forty Q hd. Come on give it to them. That's pretty good. That's that's good. That's good I second there haven't one second what one millisecond from one shade of. Grey to another. It's always it's always great grey always created ground. Which is what they went out. They don't say but negative one is eight to twenty eight is it. One of their ten bit grazed another gray. Because there's there's a lot of shades of gray typic- man four bits of gray making that it's all agree man. It's all you need dude for six. These prices go nine actually. It's subtracting the hundred dollar placeholder Fi. Wait a minute doesn't come with a stand taking a page out of Apple's apple so you don't worry the only one hundred dollars for their up so do today. I'd have to put down a one hundred dollar deposit to reserve one of these things and I said trout owner. Now now it looks metal though the stand is nice. I have to admit this this lack monitor with a I wouldn't call this satin-finish stop the standard sexy as hell. It is not going GONNA lie. It's not apple levels of dollars now but it's to it. This has been one of the big things we've been waiting for for the longest time. It was the fact that arrestees went faster than the side about it now. It's the fact that we could have a KTV's we could have insanely high refresh rates what you know the HD let Nostalgia Display. Board is letting us down. It literally doesn't have the bandwidth to do it HDMI. Two point one. It's here after a honestly it's been years since we've been waiting for a new one. We've we've seen in her mental ones with an era ian that but it's helped a little bit but if you want proper ten bit color if you want four by four by four you want four K. And you want a significantly higher refresh rate. Well one I mean. You're buying the video card that can push that. But on the flip side. The fact that you've now Gonna. Monitor that can handle it. You don't have to worry about it for a couple of years. Beaten when the artifacts ten thousand nine hundred twenty eight. Ti comes out owes. Tom Brady on pro seven. Dr Four Eight Sixteen Ak Monitor's on how many it was it was like six drive middle. Drive them beautifully. It just won't gain on. No no the really need much nowadays for looking at this and it seems like they've made a mistake because I thought Having been lecture a little bit about this. That real gaming is done at ten. Eighty P high refresh that competitive gaming people two hundred forty one. Ten Eighty P how Syria Syria torch an article where there was a Nice write-up maybe you haven't read it. I see I have not out. Clinton a bubble. Okay so this is what Gamers want. Gamers want these monitors. These gamers SPECS IS HD in four K. Like every other enthusiasts we want higher an but they're forgetting I saw was in the chat. Who must have? Oh you know not you. It was twenty one by nine. Says Twenty one nine. Well Yeah Helms Games it. There's a lot of people have to normal complaint in ultra-wide right monitor that's become sort of the new enthusiasts monitor because it you know you think about the old days of multi display setups and you can have essentially the same thing with this massive three or four foot wide thing on your desk or you're just right in the middle of the action and I'm watching you on one right now. Yeah See. I feel like Danielle still hasn't shift. Wow Yeah I ordered reminded of your. No it was February twenty-second. Oh I feel like fourteen or ten eighty P high refresh for competitive gaming. And then you have. Ultra wides and high refresh or variable refresh Fourteen forty P monitors. There's a lot of like free sink in geesink forty monitors out there. Sure and then yon that well for just about anything at fourteen for anything above anything above even really even some of the ultra-wide there too high resolution to be driven at high detail levels at native Pamela resolution with current. Gps Anyway and we're out of the era of multi pugh. It's just not supported the same way it used to be and it's been abandoned all but abandoned by by the GP maker. So it's not like you can throw to twenty eight. As of the problem. Jacob is one hundred twenty dollar envy link anymore and they were. They were really pretty. They were M but yeah I don't know I just. I feel like when you get up to the really high resolutions like four K. Try To try to game for K. One forty four. I don't think that it's H. M. I two point one that's holding you back is my point. What are you driving it with anyway? I yeah exactly radio seven. It has six bytes. I've been I was just GonNa say read enough comments that I think people need a refresher on the the correlation between a monitor refresh rate and frames and frames per second. Or how fast? They're video card needs to spit out frames out. The people actually always get the strange correlation between those. I feel like the TV industry has ruined it for people because Yes yes TV. That I bought two thousand ten. It was a high end. It's an algae amphibia infineon. Tv's was I. Think the eighty five hundred fully bat like full array local dimming and stuff it was one of the highest end. Lcd TV's ten years ago and on the box. I remember when I took it home. It said two hundred forty right on the box like I'm thinking so what it really is. It's a I think it's L. G. I. PS panel to forty seven inch display. And it's a sixty hertz panel okay I believe in sixty hertz they it's either sixty hertz or it's sixty hertz input it might be a bumping it up to one twenty but then it does back late blinking to give you the effective to forty. There's all these tricks like really early. Remember peed versus I- interpolated versus progressive assure. Yeah progressive or center blades pulling that crap again. So like this monitor can interlacing. Though it's at sixty drop would play at that point. If you buy a high refresh display it will present to your operating system if it supports it. The option of moving up to some crazy high refresh rate like hundred and forty four to forty or three twenty but at that point if you are playing a game and your graphics card at whatever resolution the monitor is if you're trying to go native resolution with your monitor so it looks really crisp. Good luck actually. Sending hundred forty four frames consistently to the display. Yeah and if you're talking about you're going to have the same issues that you'd have any other displayed any other refreshment. You'd have the same kind of tearing issues. Tearing is not just a sixty hertz. Problem is a problem that affects any non native display refresh. So you can go fast enough to do it. But they're variable refresh label. Hand it to them. I mean at least they're doing it right now. The problem is you invest in this monitor. Now thinking I'm future proofing. Which is which is why you would do it. Because you're getting the newer display Scott more than enough bandwidth for the next several generations of us. But you're never going to even come close to your. You're just going to be running a lower Refresh all the time with your variable refreshes. My point you'll be like eighty five or something and it'll be good enough but you could save a lot cheaper monitor from mental off for a long time but it's never been worse than now right because why would you invest in. Ip S. now is really the future I S. What about Snak? Led what about lower cost leads. What about maybe industry moves slowly? But well all ED's were more looking at a cheaper way to make him and a significantly less poisonous way of making them. That's a sad something blonde jeopardy issues as well with Burnin. Fairer speaking of speaking of burning. I'm trying to make a Segue here Nice Act blaze Blaise fire blazes. This hard drive strives. That's are out and once again there is a standout name and it's it makes me sad because you getting. Yeah because after after the wd stuff the controversy about the red drives and obviously they're not using those capacities here. Well let's see. Well they are. There's a four terabyte Toshiba that's outstanding use those H. S. T. drives. And they're doing something right. This means nothing to audio listener. So whoever talks about this I guess we should probably explain more of what we're looking at here there. It's the annualized harder hard drive. Failure rates from back plays so report. The reporting period was January first through March thirty first of this year and they give the drive count like how many drives are actually in service. What size of what model? And how many failures and failure rate in a percentage of I feel like seagate because they deploy more seagate drives than anything else is always going to have a higher failure rate but the percentage is are there. It's it's over one percent failure rate. It's not crazy but they have tens of thousands of these drives deployed to sixty thousand drives ish for seagate's alone right around something like that. Fifty thousand to sixty thousand drives that they happened there in their chart here and in a failure rate of just pick the biggest one year. So they're running. Almost thirty seven thousand drives. They have three point. Three million days of running at the twelve terabyte size hundred and twenty six failures one point three seven percent. That's the standout failure number on this particular chart you remember. He's approaching double digits back about ten years ago. I think I think that if these percentages as infection rates. I don't know why something from reason I did. I time that poorly. I'm sorry you did. That's sorry about that already in trouble. It's fine but the It was just joking. It wasn't serious but no the failure rates have dropped significantly. If it's weird sort of fetish but I love watching back failure reports and it it. Does you know directly relate to my day job as well but you find that strangely enough that the more popular drives the lens that are selling millions versus thousands do have a higher failure rate. And there's a very damn good reason for that because there are more of them out there and win. There's a failure for the most part they have built in recovery options. They have no questions axe replacements and for the vast majority of it there far underneath the meantime before failure like mtbf is still inflated To say it differently I it's they're saying you know. Worst case scenario. This is the meantime before the average private is GonNa die. We're nowhere near that anymore. It used to be a good benchmark to look at and go. Yeah you know what that the desk star? I don't know that we should invest in those anymore. But at this point it's it's become very very interesting to watch because there's so much more reliable and everyone's screaming about qc until TLC in the fact that all dies immediately. Well there you go. There is a proof from the pudding. They don't yes yours. Might have and I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry if you lost all that data but the overall trend is that no hard drives in an SSD's have gotten significantly more reliable and yet. I'm sorry you're so three. And a half million drives and one percent of them one point three percent of dies. This pretty damn good well. There's there's hard drives on their even better rates. But you know I personally in. That's good. He's teed me up for this next bit because I like to say that I like to ride the edge a little bit. Because if you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room. You know what I mean. So I like to use my drives deep into the reserve allocation blocks. If you know what I'm saying. So what if it's throwing a few hundred airs their spare blocks so I really enjoy using my drives. Well beyond their T.F. Now see what the problem is. Oh come on over the argument back when you know what strives hit Ten terabytes if you had to rebuild a raid there is no possible we could actually rebuild it. Based on the failure rate percentage and yet and yet earlier people stick multiple ten terabyte hard drives and then back it with a A dual core ron as a ranger. Spend all the money on the hard drives. You'd like man assist. Move Away from hardware here and talk about software now before we wrap this up games. I see this category listed here games beginning with a low to anniversary released for Master chief collection was available now. I remember when this was being teased earlier. This year came out on Tuesday. Apparently as anybody played it yet I have not but I keep meaning to buy it and I actually I did not know that they were releasing them one at a time. I keep meaning to purchase a collection and start playing again. But I didn't know you didn't get them all I'm I'm stupid but yeah apparently There's just got released culture to now. I'm in Moron. Did you see you know last year stuff like the Mafia one more interested in it looks? It looks really good. This is obviously been a trend for a while. I was just getting excited about the. Tony Hawk remastered. That are coming in Alex on rate and I. I used to play a lot of Tony Hawk. One into playstation and to play with like next-gen looking graphics with the same venues and stuff as exciting to me. Did you see the side by side renders? Of course. She did it again? No I don't think so. He looks appropriate. Although it's hard to tell like when I look back at the playstation version he is represented by roughly sixteen to Eighteen It could've been old Tony Hawk back then. I don't know but the music was great. I think this entire podcast should be rendered at that resolution. Actually that would probably agree. But I think the more we down sample it and please. Jim Do something here. I've been a big proponent of that for a while yeah I think if we did this Channel One in for a three twenty by two forty with three twenty to forty magical remember we end. I think the playback mechanism should only be flash now schimmel five. Don't you feel saved? I know I do. What else is coming out? Gte Five free re should log in and make sure I get it before the sales now. It was a top down. Oh Jeremy this is one of the most popular games in the world according to surveys and play it on epic in deal with epic Plus Rock Stars. I'm guessing you still have to do the Rockstar. Social Club for redemption to so I'll I'll ask her son my son just download it today and he spent all his money on this so I think he's going to have e- search planes right now as far as I know. And he's having a great time. It took him like an hour to download it. I don't know how she was gigantic in this podcast called the in the next twenty nine minutes so I can be sure to long or an pick account and get it. That's right Jim Today. You're listening at it to the epoch account because it's probably already is there? We have it on steam. I personally owned steam already anyway but this a real chance that we finished before midnight. I'm amazed I know we're done and then we can talk about whatever I know. You guys have some. I decided to finally pick something but let's go into picks of week. We've covered everything. Jeremy More Games. Oh Yes yes yes pixel week so I pulled this out of my prosper. The're although if you've never played solaris it's free this weekend and there's a bunch of paradox sales kings three is awesome but don't preorder. Shit. Don't but have you ever played on wake? Have you ever thought about playing Alan? Wake because right. Now it's two bucks. It's a very interesting game. Oh sorry. The collector's edition is two dollars. If you don't want the collector's edition. It's only a buck fifty. But it's it's an interesting take on first person. Horror mystery weirdness. It's it's a fair amount of fun. It's well written. And you're not you're GONNA get your money's worth out of it seriously for a buck fifty. It's going to be worth. You should give it a shot if you have if you have well to coastal areas and the other paradox of not buy for ninety percent off dollar forty-nine just put it in your library and attitude those other Gamesville someday you'll get to so embarrassed where you save. Oh my God. It's works everywhere. I'm going to say that all the time I increasingly have gotten to the point where the only pc gaming I interact with is the stuff that I install and run specifically the benchmark and because I'm benchmarking a lot of CPU's. Angie Pews. I just get so sick of the whole thing that I just go to the living room. Turn on the. Ps four affected. WanNa play a game so that's sad and I probably shouldn't even admit that. But it's true. Speaking of PS four. I recently spent like two hours a night. I think it was until I finally beat it after I got my hands on a copy. But the final fantasy seven remake is a playstation for playstation. Four exclusive right now not on PC. Yet I don't know when that will be man businesses one quarter of the game. It's just mid Gar. It's just the beginning of the first quarter. No not even a quarter of the game. I don't know how many episodes are going to be. I don't know if these people are gonNA live long enough to finish the game the glacial pace this thing if you're comparing it to the original game because the original game really really fast paced there are a lot of things like Walmart in. The original game is two screens down and in I in wall market in this game and I can't remember chapter it is. It is so confusing to me anyway. Because I'm not I'm it's like to stick control. You run around with the left stick and you can change the camera with the right stick and I tried to have like camera auto follow and it it takes. Its sweet time. I ended up having to manually turn the camera all the time or else. I'm watching myself walk sideways watching myself walk towards the camera. I was getting so lost in Walmart. Because it's at nights and there's alleys you have to go down and the world feels huge first of all. The graphics are stunning. It's unreal engine four not five. But it's just. It's a really really really good-looking game. And I was surprised that I actually liked the combat. I grew to like the combat system as I played but I played. I chose when I started the game. Chose classic mode thinking also be closer to your old final fantasy seven with Menus. And there's there's still an ATV meter that fills up and there's still like options like using spells and potions and that sort of thing The Classic Motors apparently equivalent to easy. So I found the game not challenging at all like. It wasn't until the very last chapter that I felt was even possible to get a game over screen the replay. It in a harder mode. You play through it all the way. You can unlock hard mode. I need to at least play it in normal mode as it was. It was way too easy but for how who knows how many years. 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Let It Roll:  What Have We Learned From Ed Ward's History of Rock & Roll Part 2?

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Let It Roll: What Have We Learned From Ed Ward's History of Rock & Roll Part 2?

"Welcome to let it roll the podcast about how and why popular music happens hosted by Wilcox? Follow the literal podcast on twitter at let it roll cast and check out our website at. Let it roll PODCAST DOT com. Let it, roll is a Pantheon podcast, and you can listen to all the other great pentium podcasts at www dot pantheon podcasts dot com. Today special guest, scholar and musician Yuri Campbell returns to review the lessons we learned from mates discussions with Edward about those book, The history of Rock and roll volume, two, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, four, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven, the Beatles, the stones and the rise of classic rock. nategh-nuri evaluate wards attempt to summarize the history of rock and roll from the mid sixties to the early seventies, acknowledged the mini things Ed got right and mullah a couple of things that Ed may have missed. Pop those ear buds and enjoy. I'm your host. Nate Wilcox once again. We're joined by your Campbell PhD to discuss. What have we learned from Edwards History of rock and roll volume two, nineteen, sixty, four to nineteen seventy something, seven kind of seventy, four, seventy, five, anyway, welcome back. For Having An. Hour to treat, so I think the best way to do. This is divide the thing into big chunky topics, and the first one that I think comes through in the book well first off I wanna acknowledged Ed Ward and how much I've learned from him. How great flame that he took the time to talk with me about his books for the song. I've been a big fan of his ever. Since the nine thousand nine hundred eighty s rolling stone, history, rock and roll when he covered the fifties in the period before that, which was easily the best part book and. Enjoyed obviously his rock and roll history volume one and two. Without the way, the first issue that the book really gets across is the impact of the baby boom, the sheer demographics, the the pythons, swallowing a deer of fact on the music business of this enormous Coterie of what we're young people in the sixties, and what are now elderly folks still around having a have an outside influence on the culture. The massive growth in revenue from singles, first single sales, and then album sales demographic matured. Really defines the whole book. The definitely does a good job of talking about. sort of the the the takeover of not just the artistic aspects of of rock and roll a lot of the business aspects as well and a lot of the sort of ephemeral surrounding dynamics to I mean especially once he starts getting into things like You Know Rock'n'Roll magazine the Rock and roll print media, and that sort of thing, and he thought he did a pretty good job of. Of covering the way. The shift in. You know sort of business control in control of the money and control the presentation of personas and all that kind of stuff. Sort of carried with it, some of the the. The changes in ads that you know young people had been and. The generations that followed. World War Two and that sort of made up the you the post war era. And that was definitely one of the interesting things to to watch him explain this. Especially when we're talking about like British youth. And their Their, Their time had come in that they weren't GonNa suffer the where their parents had. You know that it was time to to begin to live again. You know after all the sacrifice that then suffered you know in England to the two were wars. The oppression and all that so he definitely does a great job with that and it's. You know I think that's also something that's. Pretty clear. That the baby boomers? They just they come like this way. Wash, everything forward with your math. And they drown and almost a general racial split Kinda hits the book as well. I mean ad describes the split between pop and rock that starts in sixty seven, and it's really. Ironclad by say nineteen, Sixty Nine, when you've got the arches on the one hand and led Zeppelin on the other. But also the split between hard rock and soft rock between White Rock in Black Rock, which which you know very unified. As integrated as we ever got say in sixty five, but by sixty, nine, seventy, seventy one. It's by for Kate again and part of that was business reasons. Part of that was racial prejudice. Apartment was I think something organic in the culture where people were. I think happy that integration had happy with what had been accomplished, but also seeing some of the downsides, and so there's a backlash on the parts of both African Americans and Anglo Americans in kind of a mutual distancing. Yeah I, mean I you know I I always get the sense that the artists you know when they're trying to. Create, songs or music or you know. Especially in in the music I guess I should say. Is that many of them don't really care? About. Race and Gatien a all those things right, but you do have marketing and you do have saw. I think see a tendency in in the handling of the business and just sort of reflect. You know the reality of the way the the people that they're trying to sell their product to the where the those people live. And I think that. That you know there. Arose out of the civil, rights, movement, and and you know. And the post war. Era! This desire on the part of. Of many. Young white people to try and achieve. Some progress toward. Closer understanding of of African Americans especially. And you had you had? It could be expressed in in in these terms of the were all black people are just like A. Book that came out called black like me. where. This this journalists you know color skin and lives like a black person in the south right to try and see what that is like to to really get in there and there was a a television show. A white paper is what they call it like a news program. Where the camera followed around I think they were Memphis and they solid around young African Americans, trying to sit at A. Counter sit at their places, so they can have hamburgers, these kind of things and just live like normal people, but the camera like situates the audience amongst the African Americans you know. Making these demands for equal treatment, and just sort of normal treatment, regular treatment, and so you have these kinds of efforts to. To to to share the point of view, you know, or to to achieve some sort of cross racial perspective and you saw a lot of artists doing the same thing you know. Listening to Mike Bloomfield talked about. Being a upper middle class, midwestern, Jewish kid trying to figure out who his identity and who's going to be what does identities that we made up? And he he decided that he has this. Sort of associates of affiliated. Connection to African Americans. Until You know the deeper he gets into in. He ends up going to This is a the book by the way, but this just like sort of my perspective on on this particular question of segregation and rock and roll he he goes down to East St Louis. and you may have covered this one talking. On my head cover system Tilburg. Right and so he goes down to the East Saint Louis and She's just appalled at know the squalor on the living conditions. You know the. At least the poverty stricken African Americans in that area. We're experiencing. You! Get the sense that yeah I still love the blues and I still love playing guitar and I respect, you know ours should these guys, but I have to stay away from us. I can't live like this. And you start hearing. Those type of that type of feedback you iggy pop, talk about you know his his four H., A. Chicago and hanging out with Chicago Blues men, and coming away thing I just can't do that I. can't I can't reproduce that? What I'm going to have to do is find some other sort of voicing for myself. and. You know that comes out and other. Other musicians who who come to prominence. Subsequent to sixty seven, sixty eight. You know like my Johnny Ramone so some of these similar types of things me. He has respect for black rock and rollers CETERA talks about growing up in black neighborhoods or or in neighborhoods that were that were integrated and partially black. But at the same time you know he wants he wants to. He's GonNa. Create with what ends up being ramones to of not be blues based, and in this is in part because he has this idea, know whether correct or not that. That rock and roll. Is something that comes mostly from white culture, or if you want to put that way or country, music and not. As much from from black people. And I think that you know the the types of. The types of curiosity and in the desire to erase racial lines, maybe into to have a more democratized Egalitarian Society, said that Cetera that you see. In, fifties and early sixties at the civil rights. Movement I think that there's some parallel with these efforts on. White people. to find these or blues guys to get. Get recorded. Get them recorded for our Hooley. Bluestone and that sort of thing. Sh and I I think that it's just the at the answer is the closer they get, the more they start to say. Wildlife is not as easy as just like saying Oh. We're all just the same we're all. We're all humans, and in fact, what you have are these you know more complicated and more difficult to erase social structure. And that is rock and roll. Becomes more complicated and more more diverse artistically. Selling it starts so more and more reflect. You know just the difficulty of trying to Trying to integrate as a as a nation we had we we as a nation. We ran into a sort of wall. Right about sixty, eight, sixty, nine I say. Where we just were able to. It's easier to say you know we're not going to allow. Discrimination etc to be on the books so to speak. It's easier to do that than it is to say okay now. We're all gonna live together. You know, go to school, yeah! Absolutely two things I want to get at. From what you just said, the first is on Bloomfield. He also had an experience of being in a band, the electric flag where the other dominant personality was buddy miles. Who's African American and and they have this massive split. Some people's ascribed it to you know basically a split between junkies, acid, free bloomfield on one category buddy miles in the second, and but it was also I think somewhat. Racial in that Bloomfield had the luxury privilege of not wanting to be a Rockstar, he was repulsed by the fan adulation in this sort of mindless crowds, and he was really offended and put off by buddy miles, just shameless. Seeking the spotlight you nobody miles with somebody who was charismatic, and and wanted to be a star and an and I think buddy miles has been critically shellacked for about fifty years. I think he's a little better than his critical reputation, but I don't think there's any doubt that electric flag fell short of its potential for various reasons, but the second thing is you see it really dramatically in the story of sly and the family stone, which is is the one group that I think that. The best job of personifying this integrated spirit, positive, black, white, male, female, coming together, making this joyous music. And then after the assassinations in nineteen, sixty eight in all the riots in the emergence of black nationalism in this ugly period, when a lot of artists are basically being blackmailed to change their management, or to you know not not work with white musicians or not record companies and size responses to go back to his home neighborhood and get the toughest guys. He knows to surround himself with, and that devolves into just straight up gangsterism to the point where you know a couple of years later, he and Larry Graham have have competing cliques both sets have guns in bodyguards. Pimps. In their close circle, and and of course cocaine addiction that destroyed Sli. you know for the next five decades? Wanting to get that out there, but. The next thing on this generational split is where I think Ed has. The most difficulties in this book is because he's on the wrong side of that line is. You might say he's in that Coterie that was slightly older. That was there for the fifties that was very much there for the sixties development of rock that were the people that made it happen. You know as fans and listeners and riders. As the Beatles and Dylan and James Brown motown in all these people are in this competition, and they're competing together and bringing synthesizing this new music that came to be called Rock. Then in the late sixties, sound led Zeppelin comes along, and people like add are just viscerally offended offended by the crass plagiarism. They're offended by the the just absolute centralism of the music I. Mean it's just overwhelming, the loud volume and power. It's this corruption in denigration of the blues. Although it's create a new form. If you're somebody who loved the blues in the subtlety, the blue like Bob Dylan said you know they. They lost the role. They got the rock. Would they lost the role, or and so I think Ed. In some ways struggles with that, and and you know when I. Look back on my interviews with head on this I really regret not calling him out on things like dissing the doors or pink floyd. It's Kinda like who cares you know like. That's not relevant to our projects. You know I mean obviously the doors were this massively successful, culturally significant entity, no matter what anybody individually thinks that their music and And I'm not trying to impose tastes on anybody with the doors matter you know people like iggy pop and Patti Smith definitively do that and and something like pink floyd I mean no pink. Floyd and I'm not talking about Barrett. Pink Floyd and talking on the Roger Waters Go more pink. Floyd, you know pink, Floyd, no you to know radiohead I mean it's clearly massively significant, innovative music and Creeks Ed's generation. had a really hard time without like even Chris cow to this day can't give somebody like tool a decent review, even though they're clearly you know and well regarded metal band. It's just the whole concept of par rock was never accepted by that Coterie of journalists. The you know there's there are so many sort of wintered. Some categorical rock and roll threads that. End Up Exploding Out of the early sixties you know, and so by the time you get to the end of troops Tom covered by this book I mean there's just. A wide range. Of of the sub genres and and That drag along with these these generational splits, and and also the sort of cultural splits. And you know in reading the book you you definitely. Get the sense that doesn't. Love or maybe perhaps even. More importantly. Doesn't fully understand or or or sort of or appreciate? The things that you're talking about like hard rock or or You know the his dismissive of Pink Floyd with almost the music almost all the way, the end of this book and He. He briefly touched on earlier pink. Floyd returns to you know almost begrudgingly say well. I guess I need to say something about. Dark side of the Moon I guess in part, because part of it looks like as formulas that kind of come through releases their really successful and so you. must say something about that. But, can you know? I think he descried just droning or something like that I was like what I had dirge like I. Think is right, and and the and the only thing that he that he liked about. It was like the backing vocal on. One. CISCO MY GOSH. The you know, there's all kinds of those those little. A syncretic. Sort of nudge is that he takes it, but various the artist come later on, and by the by the time the book and I kind of. Think He. He really cares much about any of this I mean I thought he made good use of like Lester bangs to serve describe. You know the sort of appearance on the scene of these attitudes in these perspectives of yet another oncoming generation. WHO WERE TIRED OF FLEETWOOD? Mac's you know of. Of the story of of you know these people on flowing down on the rock and roll stage. Self, indulgently you know working their Emerson Lake and Palmer, and all these kinds of things right? We've just trying to many of her. The complaints of bloated self. Complaints Rock and roll fans regarding you know mid late seventies loaded rock and roll and the onset of disco, and all this kind of thing. I thought he did a good job with bringing Lester bangs talking about people that started send the rock and roll had lost fiscal. You know content with Las Vegas ability to to make you. WanNa dance to make you WanNa you know. Sex, make you want to fight these kinds of things, and and that's They wanted to see something that also carry the possibility of being transgressive and transformative and they. You Get A. He has one quote from West to rank. The does a great job kind of CO athletically almost. Summing up this desire to see rock and roll like. Be More performance of leaf, successful and providing. Transgression and transformation is it seemed like it serves to try to say that he's artists the sixties. Put on a show, that suggests that they were GonNa make these cultural changes. And then they just all bailed and they took said they took the role with them. and and Lester bangs which just. Has these great quotes in the book? But. Other than that he is the books. If Fifty S me, I don't want to denigrate the book because I think there's still a lot of great information in it throughout right, but by the end of the book. Themes the definitely on the outside looking in and isn't really sure. Child so to properly represent because a lot of what's coming on. He was right. It is you know active and even has a bit of the spotlight. You know by the mid Seventies. And your photos. And stuff like that, and let's hear a song and then talking about one of the things. I thought that did remarkably well in the book. And this is the whalers Mr Brown. Lousy Young. Bob Marley and the wailers before Bob Marley and the whalers doing Mr Brown, and and thought the one section where had really comes alive I think it's very strong and the in the mid sixty section. Don't get me wrong, but but he really shines in his explication of the of the beginnings of reggae and I. that it is because the patterns that he identifies in his fifties or early rock and roll book of how scenes that matter emerge reggae checks all those boxes. It's minority, group, and that's way outside the mainstream. There's independent business aspect independent record labels independent DJ's. There's technological innovation. reggae was the first medium. The first music medium that was primarily DJ driven I. Mean The whalers didn't blow a band until they got island records? Put them together. A ban put him on the road. They were making records in the studio in those records than lived rates their audience. What the sound systems that played around Jamaica and I think that ad was sort of Hamstrung by our labeling in our perception of rock and roll as. By the seventies white. Musician Guitar, driven music, and what's Ed's really interested in is not just African Americans primarily African Americans innovative new forms with new technology, and so like to me the logical thing. The logical threats to follow from the first book. By the early seventies are not just reggae, but also disco and hip hop and he talks about go a little bit, but he treats it as. A as studio, rock and roll form recorded with live bands, and and doesn't get into the way that disco was presented to its audience by Dj's records that were then manipulated by the deejays at the clubs and on the radio. And, so he kind of misses the point there. Ware of it. Go ahead. Well. I, I! Get the sense. I don't want to make this. Sound definitive but I get the sense that kind of comes from that but generation who? Does want to see sort of integration and and assimilation. These type of things between the racist I mean one of the things I thought was really really good about his management of. The the onset of Reggae I mean he does do a great job of. Summarizing that he brings in all the players and able to you know. Talk about the important songs, and and some of even the minutia of of the music, but he does a great job, also talking about not always go outside the united sort of accident, the Atlantic. Sub Speak between Britain, and the United States. But he talks about like Chinese Jamaicans. Being important parts of the creation of this new form, right. And and I definitely get the sense that Ed Likes. to He's drawn to these stories and he doesn't. He doesn't Hammer. You said with this, but it's something that subtly presence in both books, and that is that you know you have the this this kind of cross, racial sharing of ideas and business. and Benazir Chew Bring these sort of. Cultural artifacts into commercial realm. And this is something that is a desire that share by by individuals of different races and even different sexes. and. He does a great job of that was when talking about when talking about reggae. Agree with you on that front, you know. And he does a good job of weaving together the story. I mean even artist. He clearly doesn't like whether it's paint. Florida Leon Russell and some of those I agree with you know. he does a great job of weaving every parole under the threat like I I was really watched them like a hawk, and and waiting for him to miss somebody I thought for a while hit missed free for example and. Sure enough. He gets a mention in there and them off even if he doesn't maybe. But to in connection with their hipbones, right. They they they kind of pop up because I. I think because they made it onto the chart somewhere and just. Yeah Yeah. Yeah, he's very much, you know his methodology is going back and reading billboard go into the billboards methodically as as well as all rolling stone archives plus crowd adding cream pluses memories you know having lived it and I think that you know the difference from the first time in the second volume is just how much vividly he was living it with the favorite enroll in the six on. Also he's somebody who reacted to the rock and roll bloat and tell have sympathy for him as a journalist. You making pennies. Getting to see led Zeppelin person, and seeing just the obscene amounts of money and drugs and sex that are gonNA run there, being morally repulsed than and he his response was to dive into the five Royale, and and and these old Army Records Gospel records and things like that not so much of his gift as a music historian has become because of that. Kind of stepping outside of his own time, and choosing to to look in the past, but it definitely impacts his his covering of this era. Ns, somebody who's kind of. For whatever reason taken on the mantle wanted to expand on his work of take his basic methodology and and. Use The pattern recognition that Hayes Tommy to try to expand into more eras including Arizona I'm not comfortable and and I. Don't understand viscerally, and so you know it's a lot of pitfalls to watch out as I as we expand this project together, but let's talk a little bit about the business aspects that he goes into, I mean first off. The most obvious one is the changes in radio on this period went when the book starts. It's all about am radio and it's very sort naive. Pop Culture Justice had been in the fifties when when the Beatles the Dave Clark five and others you know invade, but by the late sixties am radio has been stultified by the emergence of top forty, which formula like Dj's no longer get to pick. What records plane be now? There's this pressure to avoid Payola, and which is when the DJ's are bribed by record companies to play certain records. And there's also the recognition on the part of the suits that. You know people like to save songs and given their druthers. They'll pick the same forty songs over and over again, and and it's a you know very much a craft and I respect that craft of identify what is popular at the moment and feeding it to people. But as we see with algorithms when people just what they think they want. Ultimately people want more than that. PEOPLE WANNA BE SURPRISED IF PEOPLE WANNA learn people want to grow and people wanna hear things that they don't like it I and so after radio becomes this. Wastes where? Nobody's Lookin' and it's not commercial and DJ's have all this latitude, and that's sinks in with the change from singles to albums, and the demographic grows up from preteens teens to college students. and. Rock takes over from folk and jazz as the serious music art form for college students. In, it seems like if you go from. singles. which are kind of meant? To provide. An opportunity to dance. And you and it seems like dancing becomes less and less and less important. The story goes on right. Yeah, and and instead kind of. Storage ING through the artistic possibilities of of rock and roll, and the Electric Guitar and these new keyboards. The starts to show on the scene you know. That becomes much more the focal points and the songs get tend to get longer and more so dull geons. Thing and that that. Kind of dovetails with this opportunity to play some of these longer songs and making. You know one of the things he says about led Zeppelin's. He points out that you know they have this great hit that never mind. You don't even think about dancing to it. They don't even put a single out. Of Stairway to happen right? Yeah, it it this long song that just ends up on the radio and you get the sense that. You know FM radio and the arrival of and of course at this point. We're talking about music on the radio. This is like when I was a kid when we were. Both, are you riding the bus to school or whatever listening to the same songs over and over again? Being absolutely. Pounded sent postponed Song Stairway to heaven. you. The. Position. That rock and roll has it all this? Becomes so much more centralize. It seems to me with a FAM-. Read an AM radio. It's absolutely kind of wiped aside. If you're young hip kid, whether you know you WANNA listen to. The cool soul music and the coolest fought is or whether you want to listen to. The latest rock and roll. You do not listen to am radio. Yes and Not Jump in, but like am radio is like if you're a nine year old and nineteen sixty nine minutes into the cheese aim radios guy cupboard a few years later. If you're into the bay. City rollers. AM radio has got you covered, and that's another thing that I think. Ed Sorta doesn't cover as well as they could. Could've is the explosion of Glam Rock in the UK because artists like rex and I'm going to go ahead and queue up t, Rex Ryder White saw ride a White Swan Let's hear and we'll talk about Glenn. Scalp whose. You were. leaving. I don't what's that? and. That was T-REX smartphones band formerly Toronto Source Rex that Change Your name. When the single came out ride, a White Swan, and this changed their commercial fortunes UK prior to this, they'd been a folksy Acoustic Guitar Bongo Combo the toured the US relentlessly, and was underground in England. And suddenly he picks up the Electric Guitar and Drummer and bassist and put some eye shadow on and. electrifies England on top of the POPs but America has no. Analogue for that essentially after ED, Sullivan goes off the air and Ed Sullivan had been struggling with rock with censoring the doors, trying to censor the doors successfully censoring in the rolling stones. And Artists like James Brown or cut off from the rate remain may radio essentially after he puts out I'm black, and I'm proud, and so you know, but in England a new generation of popstars comes along that keeps rock and roll alive, even though the critics hate it. Glam rock is something that especially through the emergence of David. Bowie really points the way to the to Punk Rock in the future of English. and. I did a pretty good job of handling. You know I think boys are sort of. Easily mishandled. Persona and I think his music is easy to either dismiss or to to sort of go overboard, and prays with his with his music and I thought he did a really good job of handling Boeing, so it was. It and he does bring up Iraq, but he doesn't seem to grasp the you know the importance. Of. The arrival of David Bowie. Ask this kind of voice. For? You know sort of the last cultural group. To gain access to the steering wheel of rock and roll, which are the people who? Are from, you know they're not trying to get into the mainstream per. Se. I mean I'm not saying that they don't want popular. I'm not saying that Chirac's etcetera. But that their fans are these people that are are sort of. Marginalized and that's the voicing that they're gonNA start. To this you know in in America, we do have some analog for that. We do have You know the velvet underground. Who I you know I. Always, think it's interesting to develop velvet underground, playing the peppermint lounge within. Twelve or thirteen months of the Beatles going there on their first American tour. And seeing how how? Quickly this. This desire to begin expressing these really outsider. Wants view come comes to the fray in roll, but by the time glam comes that like very much with centerpiece of what's going on. Is this just these marshals voices? And and this desire to get to that kind of visceral. TRANSFORMATIVE! And transgressive. Rock, and roll again you know that Lester bangs. It's talking about, so he he. points out what Lester being says, but he doesn't you know he does. There's just like one last step to go before you can really set up the arrival of punk. Rock, which in the book he, he does by noting that you know somebody is writing about presently. On the day that he dies and says that there's only one eldest left now you know. I guess obviously referring to Elvis. Costello, but that's as close as he comes even mentioned Punk Rock, or what's coming down? The Pike and It's it is kind of odd because Glamis so huge in England, and it's this thing that excites the kids with rock and roll and haircuts and something around and the things that you know you kind of. Get the sense or at the sort of cultural and experiential core of like. Becoming excited by the arrival of Chuck Berry and Ann Translator by the arrival of Motown and these type of of approaches to songcraft and selling cultural products. You know, and he doesn't he doesn't. Pick up the the threat with with Glam at all. Yeah. I think. I attributed to glimpse failure to break the US I mean T. REX had a big hit with bang. Go and get it on, but you know. That was the end of it and and. T REX is one of those. There was some success with like Roxy Music. In the little bit. Yeah, and and and we. Got Quite a bit of high laid the groundwork for his future success when he'd switch to to White, soul music. The. Of Fame but. You know for some reason l.. A. Got Glam rock and and then but. The number of sort of plan you. And and oddly you're right. You know other than that I was no Glam comes out of the United States yeah, and I WANNA chat for New York as well and does which our cover in the New York dolls as well as the stooges, but but he also misses the connection. Kiss was the expression of American. Glam rock kiss was watching the New York. Dolls and you know coming out of the same scene they just had. A certain retrograde mentality, or whatever that they recognized what would work from that in the US wouldn't and they? Also added that Kabuki theatre elements in the monster movie staff, and made this ridiculous spectacle and in. Their music, so it sounded as much like. Say Humble Pie as possible, and and didn't strike the FM radio audiences anything different. Sort of slip cover. AC DC would do this later on as another group that. Had A lot in common with punk had the energy, but sort of deliberately chose to sort of way, the classic rock flag, and not signal to the very conservative white American audience we, we are on your side. Where not that new thing from England were not? Affiliated with gay people for one thing homophobia was was. Very powerful and that you know and I think it's easy. To Dismiss Kiss. You know if you're ads, generation, or if you're of younger generations, but if you'RE A. Kiss was absolutely pivotal. I mean every eight year old boy. The country had. All the kiss crab, and and the the idea of rock and roll is a spectacle and You know larger than life, is he? was a huge thing. I WanNa switch though we talk about TV, a little bit TV in America, basically exiled rock and roll until the emergence of MTV in the eighties, which is outside the scope of this, but he does a good job. Talk about movies and the way that control movies go from. You know Elvis movies. in the early sixties, the Beatles pick up the torch in are enormously successful with hard day's night less help. But by you know yellow submarine there clearly losing interest in that. Project, but the movie is a medium. Places enormously powerful role Ed calls it in the invention of the sixties, but Monterey pop and Woodstock Gimme shelter. Really, do give people a chance to see these rockstars. They can only here on am and dramatically changes. I think about the series of of how they're perceived and. Helps them fords the larger than life iconic aspect. You don't get from the bay movie treatment of Elvis and the Beatles. Yeah, I mean. The. Documentary Treatment of rock with. Not just a movie about Woodstock concerts or whatever you start to get these other films. The song remain the same. the kids are alright and these movie star. You know he doesn't really talk about this in the book, but those movies start showing up at like midnight movie showings, which is a whole nother sort of sub cultural. Track, you could go down, but you know what I can tell you that as a kid going to see you know midnight movies, you know it's like thirteen fourteen years old. Those news were a big part of that of that sort of A. Menu films and not just the the documentaries, but also like. Tommy. that are getting musicals or those kind of. Musical? And and Also speaking of kids. You know the fan of pair of ice. Yeah No no kids. This person's defense. Paralympic. Another kind of one of those kind of cultures movies that you know. At the. Film? sort mix I two up, but yeah, I mean the the representation goes from being. That's really kind of exploitative. Like okay. We have this this these and these kids that are in these fans. Or are there these personas throw them into whatever kind of Regul- movie stories you can get mean I. don't want to denigrate hard day's night. Which I think is is pretty amazing. Yeah, it's wonderful you do start. You start to move toward a and has kind of quasi documentary feel to, but then they immediately go to help, and and these kind of ridiculous. You know farcical to whatever? But. You do have like especially with with. Don't look back. you have the onset of these these sort of serious documentary treatment like this is what's going on, and these are of course. These visual representations that can be taken into the lands of the United States especially big wide spread out United States. And, people can begin to see these. For Senate in helps. Rock and roll become something that is much more visual. You know. And and and help solidify the. Arrival of, of rock startup. You know. Which is? It's definitely worth paying attention to. If you're looking at like how technology and the use of technology. Helps forward form. Absolutely unless you one more song and talk a little bit about the rock critic press and its successes and failures. This is big star's thirteen. Gums. Meet you add. A! Baby. Can. Get. And that was big star's thirteen and big stars is along with moby grape wanted these bands that could have would have should that? was expected to be commercially successful at the time that had the backing. You know moby grape is backed by Columbia and big stars backed by stacks, which had been enormously successful out with African American music to this point, and thought that they could break into y rock and roll, and seemingly should've but got entangled with Columbia records in this. Really tragic deal that resulted in stacks records, essentially, not getting distributed for a number of years in big star was a casualty of that, and because you have something like this, that's. Designed to be popular art, but doesn't become popular that it takes on this retrospect. Is it never would be popular and it becomes this alternative culture. To me, it seems like had stacks been able to get big stars records in the stores and get Big Star on the Radio Big Star would have sold units. I mean he would. You would definitely think that by listening to the music. you know, of course it's hard to say. What would you know what would happen or he? AL turned his. But You know I I thought as handling of of the sort of boggling of big star. Really dovetailed well with with business. A decision, making and how? Sort of You know. The record industry could be because you had stacks like you said they had this successful in African Americans. And they were going to try and break into the rock and roll market and start selling units to white people, which is just in general. If you study like African American business, history, or something like that's part of the holy grail is to be able to start a business where you're not just selling. To a segregated for getaway is You know demographic, but instead you're able to come up just a product of some sort that would sell to. All of the United States, which means you, you'd be able to get your product out to white people? White people would buy it, and you would have full access to what the economy has. Offer and MOTOWN's is able to do that. MOTOWN. Put up some country singles and stuff like that, but they were able to sell. You know largely black artists. You know out into the world and and the have white people buy those records stocks. Had some success. I assume with selling African American artists, but they tried to get into this rock roll thing and it just doesn't work because of. Because of business, you know mistakes that they've made right. I and Does a good job that and talking about you know. The the the business acumen, and the sweat, and hustle that gets put into creating the soul seen Philadelphia, even though some of those guys end up getting entangled in questionable business practices in that sort of thing. And so you know. The the idea of of Rock and roll becoming this Juggernaut and it does creek all this money. And it begins to spread out into all these different into these different Mediums you know with TV Saturday night live and. and Pop, musical, soul, music, soul train, and all these kind of things, but you still have these stories like there's great artists. There's people who had real success in the business, and still you know one bad decision. And momentum explodes, and you have a band like big star. Have Artists who have had some success in Alex, Chilton that success success with the box. Just, utterly like vanishes right and becomes this this kind of cultish. Product rather than. a big commercial success and That's one of the interesting things about. The Rock and roll business you know and. Then even shows the limits. I I'm not sure how. you know how influential rock critics are if the marketing? Chests falls flat. Right like if if the marching process just doesn't get. Any air lift under its wings. I don't know what. Can Be expected of the rock critics, so yeah, you can have these rock little darling and we do. not, altogether unusual to see you know. Critical Darlings never quite. Crest of the wave of commercial exiles, yeah becomes sort of a cliche through the eighties that if band overall is successful with critics, I said they're never going to be successful to mass audience, and Rem and you to overcome that and eventually you know. There's a wave bands that succeed more and more, and by the nineties. You have the whole grunge explosion, but big stars kind of the bifurcation as Able to stop led Zeppelin I'm in Rolling Stone magazine I comes out in his so influential that Eric Clapton breaks up cream because he wants to be in the band. You know and and get that. He's just simpatico with with the aesthetic that the writers and editors Raleigh Pushing, but just within a few months they desperately want to stop leads for whatever reason and should let's ones much as possible and can't. Although they do stop the MC five or play a big role in stopping. MC, five and Lester bangs of all people is the one you know, the hatchet man who just absolutely pillories MC five and his review of them. In basically extol in every you know condemning everything. He would come to extol about them as a great band later on. So it's kind of a fascinating period, but I WANNA get into one other topic before we wrap, and that's the treatment of southern rock in this whole backlash, which I think is a big part of the era that I think. gives short short shrift. He wants to talk about the outlaw cowboy movement, and he doesn't quite ever get to a. he talks about beginnings of it, but but which is another aspect of this, but but this ascendancy of southern culture in the seventies I think is a big part of the swing, the swing back and forth you know in the sixties we swing towards immigration, and it's almost a cultural reprise of the civil war. You know failure reconstruction dynamic in the eighteen sixties, seventies and I'm not saying that. Leonard skinner smoke in the band are the Klu Klux Klan, because although. Recent Years Leonard Skinner has an Charlie Daniels at all have become more and more. Vocally that way, but if you read about Leonard Skinner and compare them with the allman brothers I mean somebody like Duane. allman Played with Wilson, Pickett was bottled buddies with Wilson Pickett and had you know Jimmy Johnson and a band? The ALLMAN brothers New African American music in a very real way. They didn't get it from British bands. They got it from the source. That African. American in the band absolutely yeah, yeah, and made a big point of that and But just barely generation later. And his crew in Florida. They're getting their version of the blues by way of the Rolling Stones and free and you know I There's A. And they're waving a confederate flag around and Ronnie. Van Zandt does a very artful job of never quite. Picking a side, which allowed him to sort of unify the audience. He wasn't offensive. To people who racially conscious, but he was also welcoming to people who are not, and there's this sort of the seventies or this period of her welcoming back the good old boys into the culture, the the southern poor whites. It's sort of like the deal is. If you stop hosing people, you stop using the N. Word stopped speaking German shepherds on people who WanNa. Eat the lunch. Lunch counters to give up the fight for school immigration and Restaurant Integration and we'll let you back into the culture, and and I feel like Ed. Does it really engaged with that? because he underrates bands like Z., Z. Top, and even semi likely on Russell I'm not personally fan of Leon. Russell was a big big deal when he's. He's The guy who connects Phil Spector. grandiosity to British groups like Eric Clapton like George Harrison. Why Joe Cocker and brings it all together for reef, periods act going. Yeah I mean. You know part of the second you know. Stab at at at the rock and roll history and. Is. Is sort of held up by just how I think widespread pop music, rock and roll country all this. It starts to fan out. And, when he, I think that you know you start about country I mean he hint that just. The fact that Country Music is kind of small potatoes. You know in the sixties. And coming into the early seventies, but he simply the fact that it's going to Explo- and let the explosion is going to be kind of connected with this southern. Culture right this. This kind of exports of. A new version updated version of. Southern Culture. You're right. He doesn't. He doesn't quite get to. The point where he explicit with that setup and I I absolutely noted while I'm reading it on my. He's. He's right there. On the same page. There's talking about Leonard Skinner than the almonds. But he doesn't quite manage to get at this. Sort of cultural underpinning and pardon me think that's just because he. I think he has a tendency to to try and and. Soft play a lot of. Of this these questions about immigration is that I think it's important to him I think he absolutely recognize that. Want to be you know the reader over the head with that instead wants to allow their ear just sort of discover and think about it on their own. But in in in in the case of of sort of want to say that there's a notable. Sort of different than shading between the all in brothers and between Leonard Skinner. And he takes right up next door to it, but he doesn't. He doesn't want to. Make some sort of explicit statement about that. Yeah I mean. I guess that's okay. You know yeah, but there are so many stories to like the weekend I believe it was in Hawaii Win Stevie. Wonder opens for the Rolling Stones on a Friday and Z. Z. Top on for them on a Saturday in yeah, that's great for the towns of very hip at the time and picking to. Brilliant artists up and coming and stevie wonder gets booed off stage. The newsy top documentary has one of them. I think Dusty Hill going. You Know Stevie wonder like he understands outright stevie wonder as an and the thought of Stevie wonder being booed on stage. He can't understand it because he's a music hat. Z. Top gets. You know gets encores. Nobody gets on opening for the rolling stones and to me. It's like. It's one part straight up racism on the part of the audience, but it's also a split because superstition aside steeply wonders not really bringing the hard rock. He's bringing incredible great music, great dancers, a great pop music, but he's not really bringing heavy hard rock, and that sees tops whole value add. They're essentially taken John Lee Hooker Song said putting them through Marshall, lamps, and understanding how to to get the TEMPA so that somebody raised on cream and led. Zeppelin will get this music and you know I think I think at least that out and not something. I'm just wrestling with. Somebody lived through that culture, and it took me years to even hear Stevie. Wonder I mean as a kid of border tax. You just did not hear black artists on FM radio period and my family was self-consciously liberal and pro integration. But our record collection was dated. You know and well. Remembers what we were talking about earlier, and how difficult it? It starts to become when the the goal is, let's live together and kind of cross pollinates, and all of the in all of the various ways that the we build our lives. You know I I don't think Ed. Specifically Talks about you know the T. a. m. i.. Television taping back in sixty four or so. Had A number of artists from that time, and they were black and white artists, and it was sort of topped off by a separate from James Brown. Who Literally? Burns the house down right, but he's just out of control and put on this historic sort of presentation of his music and his dancing, and all this kind of thing, and then the rolling stones. Come on, and they're kind of new to the game at this point and. Chased allow those early sort of the you know viewings of of McTaggart. He seems kind of tentative you know. Just how mark and I go, and he does the strange little. Duck walk kicked during his to try to try. The way it looks like if you if you watch the the. The show that ends up. Being produced as a result of these tapings looks like those two bands play one after the other, and it makes it look like Mick. Jagger is trying to compete with James Brown. Mick Jagger certainly was was was watching James. Brown the reality is that. James Brown's band played. And then they cleared the studio of all those fans. And then like an hour or so later, the rolling stones played to a completely different set of fans right. Yeah, and so that that that kind of get it this just this persistence it's hard to. To. Finish integration and assimilation in these kind of things that takes it takes time. It's not going to be something that 'cause you you. You just want to happen. And there are going to be forces, especially commercial forces and desire to to Sa-, please people make people comfortable and make them you know Consumers in a way, the profitable there's that those are goals that are going to be met the shortcut like in the immediate bright. Okay, let's why take a chance. We're just GONNA. Move all these fans out here. We're GONNA bring in all these kids that we want to see the rolling stones and we're not going to try and. You know we're not going to try and do the hard work of introducing different styles or different crowds, or whatever on the we want A. Raucous response to eat these artists, and so we're just GONNA, make sure that the audiences that are going to provide that kind of response or there. I think that that you know we early in our discussion that we were talking about integration, and that sort of thing and I was mentioning. Just you know it's. There the structural things in there are sort of. Cultural Practices and community practices and all this. That really wants us you know. It's not as easy to move beyond that as As demonstrating that you want to. And it's easy to to put new structures in place as is to like. Have a supreme court. Come out and say that you know. Separate and equal is no longer the law. Going after that you know you have. Decades of fighting over this kind of thing, right? Working may maybe maybe we're Puerto or like? You say with with backlash? Suddenly! It's like yeah, well. We're GONNA take this rock and roll and we're GONNA. Slap A. Confederate flag on it and we'RE GONNA. We're GONNA slap a confederate flag on on this car. The dukes of Hazzard and you know smoke in the band and all this. Kind of thing you know. Yeah, yeah, Waylon will end the boys, and and and I want to be clear that waylon and Willie were self-consciously pro integration I. mean they were the big advocates Charley. Pride Whelan's hanging out with mom at Ali. Along with Johnny Cash, they're sending a message country music that our eye racism is no longer acceptable, and we're not gonNA. Put up with it, but at the same time culturally. Their fans in the Leonard Skinner fans and the Hank. Junior fans are the same people you know an and there's not a lot of black faces Willie waylon shows. Well. Let's hear again. The stooges search and destroy and and then wrap this up. Steve She. saw. Got Him. And I was getting students search and destroy agee. The students mark to James Williamson Lead Guitar and David Bowie's weighing produced by David Bowie MIS mixed by David Bowie and the one last aspect, I WANNA get into on the integration and backlash. Front that we haven't brought up is that this was an era? Of enormous violence and crime, not just street riots that were politically motivated, but just straight up muggings, rapes robberies murders I. mean this is the Golden Age of the serial killer. and. Steven is just out of hand, and people are still trying to figure out what the heck happened it was it lead in the gasoline and all these other theories and we don't have an answer to that. But the reality is you know it would be difficult? NAFTA, integrate just with the differences in cultural experience and background and cultural mores. If you didn't have this huge wave of violence, but when you combine. Sudden integration, along with. This just enormous of crime the emergence of hard drugs in the US, you, heroin, and cocaine, or suddenly everywhere and we can you know one ponder was doing that on purpose, or was it just economics You know it's impossible. Figure out in the context of this show but I think that. Acts like the stooges are reacting to this reality and you know and like sized. There's a riot going on, and beyond is is dealing with this darkness that is undeniable I'm incidents. The Hunter S. Thompson Hells. Angels strain of the hippie culture. It's not all Tom Wolfe in the acid test. It's it's there's this American ugliness in the Manson family and this violence, and and and you know, and as the people on the bottom for Economic Totem Pole African Americans did what every ethnic group has done in American history, which is move into crime in a big way, and you have the emergence of black gangs and black leaders in so. anyway just wanted to get your thoughts on that whole. Aspect, then. Do you think that's a factor in why punk wasn't commercially viable at the time like why? The velvet underground and the stooges were just so rejected by the hippies because I just couldn't deal with the reality or what? Well? I think you know. There's a there's A. Couple of different things you said about the one I wanNA. Make sure so. The. At also does a very. Commendable job! Locating this kind of working class. desire for Vissel, rock and roll. Etcetera in Detroit. And that in and so. That kind you know Detroit is becoming the rust belt Detroit as the locus of these these terrible riots. You have the very well off. You know. Detroit suburbs as opposed to the inner city, which is just being horrifyingly hollowed out, and it's a very good again, I don't think it's by accident that he he brings Detroit up as much as he does. In ways that he does I think he's inviting the reader to consider that Detroit is this you know location that reflects. Changes that are going on in the united. States economically demographically. You know people moving out to the suburbs by flight. All of these things and that are crushing the dream of integration that are that are crushing the. You know the the values that. America had taken on the West to taking on. You know following World War Two and trying to forward democratization and You sort of things. I think that my sense. Is that the at Forwards Detroit as an important hub for these changes in attitudes for to get us to look at that, but you. You played the. Search destroy. and. I think that's a good choice I. think it really sums up. A lot of what was going on and in in and it brings up something that we have. Spoken of at all in this conversation, which is the Vietnam war? Down the way that that that the protests over the Vietnam War and a rejection of the war. Dovetailed with the civil, rights movement. and. You know civil rights protests, and by the time you know, sixties and early seventies show up. You know the leadership of the country you know Nixon is using these tensions to help bill this divide in our culture, but if you ask me. Still exists in and still has winning at sales today. That was I into those sales all the way back in the late sixties you know. and. that. The dream of of Integration in of. Of the war on poverty and great society, all that stuff kind of gets torpedo. From the tremendous optimism that came with the Kennedy Presidency. And you know just I think. Late as the early sixties. You have this kind of. Community feeling sort of. Desire to make the country better and to make sacrifices to to bring about these positive changes into to realize some of the promise of the country that had not yet been realized. And then just a short while later it just diffuses. It just gets exploded. It runs. Up along the the rocky shoals of of just how difficult it is to get the kind of work finished. You know you reach points where it starts to get really difficult to to make. Forward progress. And that gets mixed with. Risk the rejection of the Vietnam War. And you end up with. Expressions in rock and roll coming out of out of you know people like pop and the stooges. And search destroy worked whether you're talking about the Detroit riots, or you're talking about these forays in the Mekong, Delta you know and it's? It's. It's it's. It's where rock and roll begins to. Reassert, itself is something that can serve express transformative transgressive ideas. As handling what? One of go go ahead. I'm sorry now you WanNa, talk about well. I just wanted to. I wanted to mention the fact that. You know the book also misses out. On. Garage Rock. Altogether. Yeah I mean he does mention the seeds. Garage rockers this huge. He talks about the Split Between Hard Rock and soft rock Beatles and stuff. Well I mean garage. Rock is kind of this wide spread. Find Angry and aggressive guitar driven foray into. That darker aspect of the rolling stones. You know yeah. Grass roots, and it's originally called punk rock is an insult because puncture people get raped in prison, and these were bands that generally couldn't play as well as say you know the Paul Butterfield, Blues Band, and generally didn't have the financial backing the major labels the way the San Francisco scene did and. You know and they would have hit singles here. They're barely. Would you have an artist? That had a a sustained career. Even somebody is great as thirteenth floor elevators had one barely hit single, and then you know falls apart largely through drug abuse and everything else, but yeah, that is a massive. A blind spot in this book and and hope to cover that feature episodes because. Yeah go ahead. You know just. To sneak at the end because he also doesn't in this is trying to understand what because it's. Called the obscure certainly, neither the garage rock nor Proto wraps. are going to produce. artists the. Up in the charts, etc, but he he doesn't really get around to talking about like you'll Scott haring or the last poets or whatever. And the only reason I bring that up is because you know these. Are these voices black and white that are on the fringes, and they are pointing towards what? Is already establishing itself before on seventy five. As the other side of what's coming, right? Yeah and wraps I. Mean Rap was GonNa, eventually. I mean you could say rap and hip hop essentially takes over pop music. In the nine hundred. And talk makes run out of the nineties as well. That's right. So that's what's coming down the Pike and and and those are. especially garage. Rock just never goes away and it's. There's such an outpouring of this kind of. SNOTTY. You know we're in the basement we're in our garages were playing these little smokey clubs? That it's I was surprised that he didn't find a way to pay a little more attention to that, but. again they didn't produce anything charts, and so it kind of his his. His methodology seems like it understandably Mrs that. I hate to make it sound like I didn't like because I. I did like the books, and I think that. Most people if they're gonNA find it really Informative and it's a breezy Reid. And and I think he accomplishes what he's setting out to do. Even if you he's not really able to hide. His his. You know the distance at which he holds a lot of the art, the hands up discussing. The absolutely December but I think it's an impossible task to to summarize a history rock and roll into short volumes He's a brilliant writer. He does a great job of creating a an easy to read coherent narrative that that touches on so many big points. He pulls out big thematic issues, so it's a brilliant job in anything I'd write the first volume as a five star masterpiece in the second volume is three and a half or four star, really good effort so definitely not denigrating you consider a mentor and teacher in you know would be really throughout fight came even a fraction of matching the quality of work. Is produced over time, but anybody is going to have blind spots, and that's what we're talking about. So that's that's another episode of let it roll. What have we learned guest starring Campbell your help? We have you back soon. Look forward to thank. Follow the literal podcast on twitter at let it roll CASS and check out our website at let it. WILL PODCASTS DOT COM? We'll take a couple of weeks off and return with season nine. We've got a lot of treats in store. Including interviews with Gary Giddens Alanna Nash Ben Merlo's and many more. Let it roll is pension podcast and you can check out all the other grey Pantheon podcasts. 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Episode 282  Its all looking a bit Eufy

I Confess I'm a Geek!

32:10 min | 4 months ago

Episode 282 Its all looking a bit Eufy

"Good evening it's monday evening on the fifth of april two thousand and twenty one and it's episode two hundred ninety two of i confess i'm geek Yes good evening. Everybody it's david here in medan. Uk back for another show of confessed geek. And i hope you've all had a fantastic long easter weekend with the not. So bad weather not especially down south anyway where i am Not too bad at all. In fact i even works the car today the first time in a long time because it hasn't gone very far but it was dirty so gave it a wash and nasa shiny again and cut the grass last week as well so he's techniques spring. Isn't it when you start doing things like that so anyway. A great weekend didn't take too many eggs. Got some of those jobs not the way that you need to do. Set us up hopefully for an enjoyable spring and summer. Well what have i been to actually Before a star data on the phone yesterday he ease eighty one and a half i think now and i'm his international tech line rescue person and he rang me around a few days ago to say that he's printer wasn't printing anymore a thinks the ink cartridges in the same ones. I ordered him about two years ago and could they have dried out with you know unlikely but they could have done so autumn new set. You know he's got these epson Multi multi things scanner and a printer on on their original couches cost now fortune so i got a set of compatibles from amazon for seven hundred nine and two yesterday and he was telling me before. All this happened it tried. Everything is tending. Mr wrong paper size. That all sorts of messages coming up Any e looked it up on youtube. It was a guy on net at told him that only needs to do is power on. What is powering on the printed. Unplug it quickly and then the culture has been the right. Place free detained. I thought the thing you know my word see. We're doing here so anyway. No luck and i thought maybe re the plastic off the wrong bay to not read the plastic off now the the seal and put the contres backwards. I don't know how to do when you're in over one hundred forty miles away. Seen him for eight thousand eight hundred eighty s all set to go up hopefully next month when the rules change Anyway so trying to help him through got music. Artists got got delivered yesterday so rang me or facetime me yesterday evening and he said he's putting new cartridges in still getting all the same messages Print off lying on these computerized. Check the printer q. And clear the printer and all this stuff that okay right. Let's have a think about this. So i've gotten to the stage where he could copy a piece of paper a printout on his comp- on these printer and that worked fine. So that's good. That's just doing entirely from the the printer and then start asking him about what what was happening so when into his pc using team view. She's a godsend to be honest and unnoticed at about ten. Different all the same printer but ten versions of this printer installed his pc. So i installed them deleted them and it's taken ages now look at his laptop through was using the about an. It's an old pentium chip before he graham brennan windows ten so i think the computer could do it. Probably being changed have planted that seed. Hopefully that that's over gets noticed anyway and is quite right going to the pinch printer q. And it's prentice totally off line so deleted it thought. Well let's start all over again so i'm thinking well. He's not detecting your printer. what what what. What cable did you pull out when you walk stupid videos. had to put out the cable. And he's saying what he says 'cause he pulled the k. but i'll the printed and go off thinking okay. He's unplug the usb cable because even though this is a wi fi printer he uses it with usb. Because it's it's easier that way. It works is less complicated. An air printable wi fi printing. So anyway i said well is. The lead plugged now. So yeah yeah yeah. It's difficult to gain by plugged in says well. Can you have a look for me. And see where you've plugged in so he goes beyond from boozers. It's hard for him to get behind the printer and get she's gets gets torch has a look beyond the printer and i said what does it say. He said it was a picture of a man a man. No one lead said. I think that's the usb symbol not in the lead on the actual printer. It should be embossed in the plastic to his one says. No a month's external and i've put it in the externships put an internal now. I think. I said your printer can be a fax machine as well and put it into the phone port. I said somewhere else. There should be that d shaped soccer for usb cable and indeed he found it so he plugged in the print in the rye socket and then the principal detected and then we printed and it was all fine. So don't know quite what went wrong. Initially to get to the stage where he sold his dodgy youtube video volume. Put the cable but salted so it can be quite frustrating helping an elderly parents with their it especially when you face time and we can see the ceiling or the nose or nothing tool. We can't hear them and they can. Hey you will. They they can they. You can hear them and they can't hear you to what you know what it's like so to get results bit of an achievement so anyway so that was was my life yesterday well worth it and got sorted out which is good so in the meantime now playing with a couple of projects so am i came upon by chance on youtube. Hulu places just after. I've just knocked turf sending my down the wrong path. A dongo so very similar to the wireless dong look plugged into my car to get wireless carplay a dongle that will convert an android tablet or head unit into carplay. I thought oh not noticed before almost all these videos and found that you can buy the dongle on amazon about forty quick not worth ago with a play like to play so ordered this dong-gook rod next as expect from amazon and in in cost molly box made by the same people. But make my wireless dongo that gave me a little bit of a a bit of confidence and it may work so what you do so what. Why did do they were borrowed. My wife's. She's got a kindle tablet portrait for christmas so she could audible on an kindle and hughes's she get stuff in the library. Using libby i think is under. The app could rb two magazines and stuff and they always look better in color She's got a kindle can no doubt looks great on there actually got an ipad. But that's too heavy to pickup in bed and reads right. I got this cheap. Not your could. Isn't it for cheap. Seven inch amazon kindle. Tablet thing anyway so what we need to do is go to A web address. We download an app called a auto coup ulta kit. That's it and you in. You saw it laude. An ap k. After going to develop rob so rubbish noticed. While i was doing this that i bought the cheap coosa had the cheap tablet with all the advert. Some thought there must be a way to take these off because he's so annoying and indeed there is found a put it in the in the show notes on the website to i confess our mcgee dot com amazon fire toolbox and actually it does more than that so because i think i have abused version of this before because it also removes the ads which is great but it also installs the google play store and you can do other things as well. Switch on bits and bobs that you're not supposed to to have switched on on kindle. Didn't find it worked amazingly well for some of the other stuff but it worked fantastic. Well forgetting google play store on and turning off the adverts or you can thank the launcher to The windows launcher all know. Reload cheryl swimming outs karma now. So that works fine. So did all so. I installed this. Ap k site loaded it as set and then all you do basically you're plugging this Dongo run the author kit and then you get like a very simple screen that says waiting to connect or something she plugging your iphone or android phone because it will do or carplay so plugged my iphone and it kicks up after about six seven seconds. And indeed you get a you. Get you get the proper wireless wireless apple carplay on your tablet. he's fantastic. you can even choose which side you want. The icon left right depending where the driver and left left-hand-drive were on hand drive car. And you couldn't actually runs really well much better much better nice best. -tuni- can run satellite navigation software. You can play music. You can make calls receive text messages all all the bits that you need to do on car plan thinking it was actually quite good. Just two things. Wrong with the kindle tablet am. I couldn't get it to stay awake There's no setting on. Ed keeps the display on all the time. Even there there is a setting buried away in developer options. It tells you a can of it's plugged in It doesn't work and was something else we can get auto play so i thought with android normally So many variables you can get it to you. Adopt a on this fires up and then as soon as you put your phone in the deal to kick thing will boot with complex. Couldn't get it to do that Odd used a micro usb Ot lead so basically plugs in micro usb plugs into the charge core of the fire and then that gives you a monkey usb socket so then you can plug it power cable and then give you a usb be so your speech socket to get your iphone With a with the lead so by plugging the tablet into power the shukri enough power to charge up the tablet and chart. The phone found. It wasn't quite working. That and this is. This is doing it from the main. not from. If i'm in the car is a whole of the store. Go into in a second so yet worked well. Apart from that. Those couple of things. I thought did a bit more research thought. Well what i'll do is buy cheap and keep template across the best tablet to buy this just cheap Lots of chinese of funny brands. Which are wasn't that keenum A couple of brand new novo or Obviously another amazon tablet which the cheapest chips. They competed with tablets. Decided in the end on getting a second. Nexus seven tablet which by all reckoning seven or eight years old but has a pretty nice screen. You get the second generation one and still runs android. Six at the minimum recon is android. four point. four so easily does not. And if i want to mess about with the boot loader imp- on a more modern version of android for one to two about mogae that later and bachelor by all accounts. He's okay and he's got a branding on the front and all merck sitting in the garish. Doing nothing environment. I'm a place. I think it would go quite well on a monkey suit up and running to explain why I'll put some photos on on the website show. I did so altered one of those twenty twenty three quick think off ebay just without a box or anything turns up Couple of days ago and some of the buzzer was missing. Wasn't in the photos or in the description and then as soon as a plugged in the ot g lead the whole thing just crushed and in need to hard reset with plug in the power to get it back up and running so something's not quite right so that guy was nice enough on ebay. I told him so. I just want to send it back. it's not right. I think he's been dropped and some damage to the port somewhere and he's basically just refunded millions of return if i want which bit awkward. Because he needs to so just to give me a returns label on the back so. I'm just sorting that with him. But i've ordered another one slightly more expensive by thirty two pounds. I think he's got the box and the lead in the plug and all instructions and stuff. So you'll keep its value better anyway and again the generation to one sixteen gig of memory to giga ramming the come with so when that turns up. I'll give it another guy with him hoping don't think he is. The the otd leeches should work with the next seventy worked on the kindle. Sestina reason why won't work calling the nexus. I've seen other people use the dongola youtube. And it's been fine so must be this particular tablet. That's not quite right anyway. So the plan was to Put this in the ultimate two thousand and eight bucks testing ago. Hasn't been anywhere for hawaii. It's in about twenty miles being. I think the dump put some patron and then it got collected for. It's not back in november. The battery are replaced. The car back to this is About a year and a half to new maybe nearly two years ago Because the last one died and would you think about it. Eleven years old or something so about rights in terms of lifespan of a battery car battery but this one and i put it down to not being used much needed boosting the last time i did it It seemed to charge when a had it running. And gary took brought it back. There was no problems Left left it. i don't know i did. I left it since november until this weekend to try again and of course a batteries completely flat. No no lights had to get in the car with the emergency key thing that's buried in the key. Fob often miss before so got my little them battery. Pack out to jump start the car like gold. This thing is it's patriots off. Photons i even think so. Started the car following left. I link fact fifteen minutes went out for a long run about twenty miles. Came back switch to off tried again dead. So two things isn't it. This is the actual about trade. I think the battery. Because again do my google for my research on google. It looks like that The trees just isn't Holding old getting enough charge from the alternator to give it enough to Start the engine because funding off all the lights and stuff happening again. Today at the battery tester of ebay ebay amazon. It tells me go. Eleven point volts. Which means nothing really. Because that's just what's in the battery. I really do need to jump start again and doing alternator attest but anyway i've written to europe parts eurocom part nicole because the battery are ball wasn't expensive fifty. Quid came with a three year guarantees. I've written him saying what happens. Now is battery is not working caen semi replacement or how does it work and of course juninho pandemic than responding although since on saturday. So i'm hoping job is not an emergency to get a response In the coming week get another battery. And by that time the other nexus shoulda turned up and then i can set it up in the car. Hopefully so charges the phone tablet on an audio three and a half mil Lead to plug straight into the glovebox his old unit thing with the three and a half no socket. That will run it through the car stereo. So she'll be able to have a wife that is Google maps running apple music textile. The oldies stuff the iga in a pretty old old car and of devise a way of somehow getting this tablet not not permanently fixed in but looks like he's power. The car hopeful that of got away. I've seen someone else us The case on it an put some rubber feet stuck to this thing flips up and he can slide in there and hopefully that will work fingers crossed so yes to get a call about sosa. I i just know. It a second. Sorry about that. I live is what i'm telling myself. yeah so that's quite good his nature if you've got an old car You want to update you know. Put in dc in navigation and everything else in music. Then give a go Really really impressed. Actually by How well software works it. Don't go you can get cheaper. Ones a fee twenty quid. Hurricane do the same job artist. Amazon survey didn't work because straight back but Worth with a goal for the link into amazon in the show notes So you can have a look and see what you think. So do the things. That i had to sort out. This week was bleeding. Cici tv cameras again so i went through this a few weeks garden were a chang's the switch. All the cameras basically lost connection. And then until i saw chains a switch that it won't come back and they all came back fairly quickly after i Chang's switching and everything And rebuild you still leave wifi disks and all that stuff going to connect to the right disk and the right room the best signal and they were all right mostly the less them. What three weeks or so. But then the other day they just lost connection again and i managed to get in working sore. Eventually you are getting a bit of cacti off with it to be honest. Nothing wrong with the cameras it. I think i think it's something maybe streaming six cameras constantly on the network isn't a great thing to do Funny enough the the only camera out the six. The is absolutely rock. Steady stable is the cheap raspberry. Pi bird box camera. And i tell you what as soon as a powerful off all disconnect the fi they split camera comes back reboots. The arrest pyrenees rebooting comes back within a couple of seconds and just straightened stream again. Absolutely rock solid never had an issue but that that's the quality of the fi chip. Perhaps maybe that's what it is or something because it's in is next door to the cameras so Really frustrating that these cameras. Keep playing up. And i've got five of the things scattered around the house. So thought right stuff it. I'm gonna i'm gonna give something else to try An being through this process. Before i mean if you go. Youtube channel road tested an arlo camera. and it was okay But wasn't that convinced by I was considering the ring cameras. But i think with the auto as well you have to pay a subscription fee to access your data you footage which irks made it a little bit so i decided on an again bought them from amazon just in case To cameras made by fee. It's stupid name isn't an easy you f. Why it's the same people as anka kia. And i've always had really good experiences the cables and plugs and charges and stuff like that so go for these those two cameras there were special offer over for few days and the march called the fee too. I think so you get home. Base you get hub to plug in a hub but then you can have up to sixteen of these cameras all over the place if you wanted to and you get to cameras and they both off battery which lasts according to them six months and then you just reach them on a micro usb port the are actually bringing out a solar panel. Would you come out next door to the camera. And then they'll just charge up poff that which might try eventually. They're stuck the solar panel. Say need to wait for that. So for one hundred and sixty nine cred too cameras in the home base. And i thought well give it a guy so these were very much like the Doorbells that you get their knee record when there's motion not streaming cameras Because that would just kill the battery last few days with the constantly streaming from them These cain when they see motion the ones apple have got a either infrared night-vision which is what musing or an option of a spotlight that comes on an detect motion as well a really wide angle to annoy nice. Easy mountains just two screws supple them Actually play to the before amounted them. Because i told renew drill of course because the old drill decided to give up as well battery pack thing. This is an ancient drove by way but still cooled lewis black and decker starting to smoke so i looked at how much new to. It costs to renew charger thing. I wouldn't hawkenport. A a bausch cooled stroke with two batteries. Really nice actually really pleased with it just needed to have enough to go into brick work for things like cameras anyway so Set them all up without putting on a wall inside the house for a couple of days to play with them And then Mounted them mr biden. A depart the week really easy to put them up two screws the disc thing. Screw them on quite easy to nick. to be honest you need to put them high enough And i think the model above comes along. That goes off if someone tries to nick them but we put them high enough up than than not likely to get nick. So if you go up ladder and reach an installers about eight and a half feet off the ground thanks. I think is enough So fair l. e. theft proof but don't quote me on that Both connected with the the. The setup is a breeze. Absolutely beautiful so you you basically just plc your home base Into ruto using ethernet. I'm lucky i said this before. Ethan around the house it has put into a handy socket. It like goes green. I think when it's got the internet and then you get one of the cameras and basically press the button on the top You get a flashing light thing and it is talks to the home base thing saying oh connecting and it makes excellent chip wobbly sound and then the light goes off and says connected and it's done is on. Do you have to have the app as well. You down that. They're up and did the two cameras in about five minutes termed connection absolutely brilliant can also at these cameras to homekit So you scan the bar code on the home base. An added to home kit now. Home kits bit weird so if you run your home kit Page app thing. You can see the two cameras. And i've connected my bring dual deluging bridge To home kit as well And runs well And if you've got accessed two terabytes of storage you can add both cameras to homekit secure record which means He'll actually do off start recording on homecare instead of As it works now. I've got to say actually the u. cameras don't recall to the cloud. And that she say but the home base is sixteen gigastorage built into it and they transfer all the data to that and then he can just download the the footage using the app to your film role. Whatever issue want to But homekit can do that for years. Oh she's quite quite cute anyway. So these two cameras now up. Easy peasy to mount fisherman. I got new You you put in your active areas that you want to. Do you tell it how sensitive you wanted to do it with the lights on or off or not you get an apple. Watch app some watch. Ping's potomac detects motion. And i've chosen. It's event doesn't go off much till and the quality's actually really good tennessee pay You can pay more and get to k account the differences in fantastic although the one camera looked at the bachelor's for year so maybe that's the thing to go for next anyway so both up and go great views of the drive in the garden and i'm really pleased and and so please up now take down the cameras. The will box up on ebay to be sold off individually really cheap. Who wants to play with them. Basically about enough and an easter cameras. The moment touch would have doing well. So please that Hopefully the work for awhile and then once a genie charging. I'm not sure i get six months. Maybe three or four months later Thing of visions. Now just getting my big battery pack plug in a cable for a few hours and charging them that way rather than take them off. The wall again Both say the not learn how to take off Just wait and see what happens. How long it lasts for quite pleased that yes okay pins when when things happen. mr bat with them putting the light on and off and stuff so yeah not much to say about really Very very easy to set up and at the moment single cameras on amazon rating on quit. But they do talk to sixty nine. So i think might get one more for the back garden to the other end of the garden. Start massive garden but we. We've got like a conservatory in the middle so near the sonics conservatory then we get the full guard in effect which be quite nice and the so easy to up. It'll be a breeze and hopefully less stressful than having the old ip cameras running All the time which I've been battling with. Have i ever the last few weeks. Oh so it'd be would not see the back of them yet. So that's it for me for tonight's been great talking to you guys. Actually it's been nice to to relate my toes of whoa and success and projected. You know the camera wants finished but the car play one is is still ongoing not a major project to know but i think quite a good way to get Car play any car. In fact in the old moore cutting stored android called Amazon alexa alexa. Auto android auto. It's called it's the voice won't basically just is like having a luxury car but it was a bit of a pain It's not that screen. It's quite difficult to worked. Were you say alexa. Navigate to blah blah and it would do it or alexa. Play this on our music and it would do it but when it works it works when it didn't more often than not i didn't that was the problem with it so that away as well. So that's it for me. So trump me an email. If you get a chance. David i confess. I'm a geek. Dot com visit the website for the show notes Leave review film twitter at. I confess geek and look forward to speaking to. You will soon have a great easter week. and yeah. Hopefully the weather's gonna get better. I can get a bit more and Enjoy the sunshine. 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Sonic, The Moneymaker

Dem Fancy Dinosaurs Podcast

1:01:31 hr | 1 year ago

Sonic, The Moneymaker

"Program to bring you this important message. what's up at the dinosaurs? You'll place for movies TV shows and Pop Goja. I'm one of your oath sneak and I'm returning again not make you one of the radio hosts just do it. Yeah it's it's hard to change. Its I brace. I'm not very good. Bracing change that's all right you don't have to be embracing change. Just change needs to happen. Just naturally happen so we have been on and off for a couple of months and a half where here. We're not here. We actually officially have lost episode. Now I don't know where that when we were talking about was the best episode of her new lot. Oh Yeah it was phenomenal. There was angels and demons and good versus evil. So amazing that you wake up the next day. It's like minded mazing not apple. You just can't remember but you know it was amazing. That's exactly what the situation we're in. We haven't done this in so long. With so rusty my pains go to stretch hemmings and are vocal causing again but yet. So we're back season two episode to Wigan get really hot into it because one of US Know Me Sore Burn. Take it away Yes me and Kaban. Water went to see the sonic movie. And I give it a thumbs up I I was actually expecting a correct and I was actually getting more excited that it was going to be correct from the very first trailer with that amazing looking. Sonic that they had. But yes I would actually recommend this. If there's some way it makes it out because you know you say something happens in the universe and everything. I really hope if they do have a BLU ray or DVD xtra lease is to have the remaining footage with that sonic in the scenes. Put it in everything. You're like the urgency. Sonic Oh yeah the something called away because they said they had to change the animate over again. So yes they it would be. It exists those files and everything of the actual even roth or it's not even fully rented it would still be there. The Sonics snotty cut. Yes but yeah just to talk about the film. Generally it's pretty good It's more of a family film you can tell it's PG which was surprise when they came in and they actually you know actually bring in some a bit of adult humor here in that. I was actually surprised. I'll very upfront about Just to start off in the movie starts with the Sega Logo. They have one of those montage. We like many games on screen and everything and I see the Yakuza series in that very prominent. I'm just like Oh boy. My favorite already crime simulated Japan. I love it. Yeah and Some of the but yeah but it's the came down to as when I think about it. It's just very straightforward song movie. Sonic is meant to be from another dimension That goes really fast Susan baby so there's the first marketing parts of Sonic. He's taught by a new character. That appears and the character disappears for the rest of the film after that and then we basically started up that sonic his traveling from worldwide. Using rings he uses rings like the giant rings to Teleport to in the video games to the special signs to teleport other worlds so slightest. Yeah so basically. He's got a little map which he unveils. And there's the first little Easter egg for fans there's a cu satin world and has crossed at. Because there's no sonic the game on the secrets an infamous one candidate law second. Yeah I just talk about the whole thing but I'll just get down straight to the point. It's bad that's basically the main plot and Jim Carey comes as doctor. Botany because again son it goes too fast that he actually causes a sonic boom in the area which knocks out electrics in the area. So it's naturally people come into that caused US everything And they find Sonics and that's where it all goes from there of Jim Carey playing as the asshole Dr Robotic. That's he's not Yucky. Route is absolute jerk to everyone. Let's write your Latte. Yeah some Nice touches here. I was expecting probably more. They're going to do renditions of the video game soundtrack. But they did because of this area cold in the movie Greenhill. So they had a piano. Rendition of greenhills earned from dishonor. Game articles a nice touch most of the Huber and everything else. It's very straightforward. It's not being anything too risque or anything like that. Like oh sonic ate too much and stuff like that does all. The shucks you little rascal. Dogs Chili Dogs Redford. They'll say things that I put in my mind. This is what I expect to be in a movie. And it's just like what he's break-dancing check that off as I said then he's he's Outta the places I oh they had a new thing. They will co Chili Dogs. Ooh That is well. Chili dogs ribs and But I will say not to spoil anything else. They were thinking about just generally good. Just the general enjoyable film icon. Really pick it apart. Because I know it's understand it's made for a younger audience in kids and when I break it down by story why structure and everything. It's a pretty much fits the mold of when it comes down to it. Of course. I have my imagination's live with the freakish. Sonic in a completely different plot of. You can't run away from your problems all the time. You just can't keep running all the time every classic children's movie of the past that we grew up with you can't just run away from everything expected to be all right but that's how everything worked out in my childhood. Yeah always yeah all the time. Nothing bad habit you July. So in the end any cows emeralds anything like that no realty reference accounts were already hanging none of the other wacky friends. And it's very sonic centered. Focus Film and everything it does set up for a sequel or not GonNa Spoil anything but of course avoid youtube or the in sonic fan base in general because they love spoiling everything which will do but as I said as a film itself. I enjoyed it. My worry guy went in expecting like the absolute worst and actually walked out enjoying it. So that's nothing can really actually say that's the price I can give a film. Yeah that's good positive. That's what I'd like to hear so when it comes to other parts of the movie Jim Carey talking about how high art was. Did it deliver on? The high art always emerged. Oh No you know you can understand. Why Dr Abundance is gut is attitude. The techie show is like the new bad knicks that he shows this is top of the line. Impressive look and stuff like technology wise. It's multi transforming vehicles everything from the Games and stuff so you can understand why he's looks down on everyone else unease because he's just that intelligent of what he's already accomplished and everything. Yeah so without agreeing or disagreeing. I'm guessing in the end. Robotic finds a way to go to sonic's dimension it's more of he understands sonic's speed and how jumps inventions and everything? Yeah and that's where the film ends on that pot as well too. So that's good. Yeah you get that. Does he get fat at the end only starts to change the pairs of lower body? Because he's gone through and he shaved his head. He's got the giant mustache a little bit more. Chunkier these coming egg man. Yeah so they could set it up. That he's way he's locations on sport he could be because of where he is. It'd be living on. He'll get probably many very bee's and everything he said. I'll add to it and everything as well awesome so at a ten. Well I don't like doing at ten I just give it a thumbs up thumbs. It's always hot. He's always to self interpreted. It might give it a thumbs up as like something to rush out to sea but like I said if if your family if you have a family people and you want to take your kids out. It's a good film takeout. They'll they'll enjoy the visuals and everything else like that. And they'll join sonic flopping so that a little beam dances. It's it's doing pretty well box. It's often re million and In domestic and then international is one hundred one million. Yeah that's the big numbers. It's the highest grossing video movie at launch. Yeah Yeah So. That's pretty also take that. Take that Double Dragon. Take that Solid Hill. Actually Pretty Good Hill. You get to be good lists today. The first solid Super Mario Brothers movie. That was pretty good too but it doesn't deserve to be that list because it was terrible. Yes Wonderful Madison. God here of combat is the gold standard. I say when it comes to making it. It's still taking the premise that it's still running with it. Even though they had that black character turned out who wasn't in the game with the staff and then the Qatada and lucane fight. Where that's it. It's over walks off his way into the damaged cells. Who fought with you? What what gives you killed? Everyone fights end the fighting. And that's it and you walk off your family. It's like cool. That's how mortal combat way Johnny Cage moment where he's walking through the Web's the website said Caetano went this way because a few nights she would have went through the wall of Whitlam. A you do this to me. See Rundown of that sane. You know he just has to actually move the cobwebs of these hands in Wrexham apart to get them free people free. She obviously didn't come through the awesome. So yes sonic did really well. I'm glad Because it did cost a lot more to make so yeah at least made some of that money back well. That's the lesson is that they actually took to criticism and then changed the film criticism and they were very successful because of that but unfortunately for the studio that did it. They got closed down because Canada. If you look up the film a movie it's called off the Pi. It's the studio that talks about who worked on the life of Pi and basically candidate just allows you to just fuck animators it you just get to just abuse all their right. Who CARES That's basically what it is by Canadian. And everything and it's very it's very distressing and stuff to see about that because you understand people have done. I've worked on free databases and everything else. It's a very animation is a very very. We'll have more testify if it's a very enduring tedious task tedious task to do and for people that these people actually really put in the effort. I will say that full Masonic village. They really put in the effort and to the fact that they don't have a job anymore. It's very distressing to hear about. We'll hopefully they can get jobs elsewhere. So good job guys. Much love future easily. Yeah go work for Disney. They need animators. Yeah Disney Warner Brothers. Actually these need riders animated. Yeah cool so we'll stick with the motive video games. There's been a bit of late information about the resident evil. Netflix Davies. Yes it's under the umbrella umbrella it's under the under the guise of clay. Yes per project Cleo Klay so basically the outlay man's imagine was yes game so this is all I was late The TANNA clearfield. Md has long stood in the shadow of three seen seemingly unrelated behemoths. The umbrella corporation. The decommissioned Greenwood asylum and Washington Day. Say Okay first of all. Why isn't asylum help against like a multibillion dollar corporation and Washington? Don't know what's going on here today. Twenty six years after the discovery of the TAE bars secrets held by the three. We'll start to be revealed at the first signs of APP break. Saw this is probably GONNA be pre zero. It's going to be prey mentioned incident so well. That's the logic from from the game. They could just come up with they want. That's usually the next problem. That's the other problem is they? Have all the source material. It's tough to go off on. They probably just be like no. I'm GonNa make something new and edgy. It's like yeah what I've thought about because I'm Constantin films. Are German company that both did resonate. Who writes for TV and film in Nineteen ninety-seven okay? That's why they keep on pumping out the movies because I just want to retain the rights because director also wants to put movies with his wife and he just kept doing it for that reason. My wife She's gorgeous. She kicked a glass and it cut the dog in half so basically day at the rebooting film series are on but then they doing TV series from Netflix which is going to be complete separate entity. Yes I hope. They don't merge the two. Yeah because one thing. I really want to get from the Netflix TV series. He's I want them to cut back on the action and give us the horror. Yes because that's what the first resident evil and I two zero three. We're all about horror before four turned four into a TV series. WanNa stay at all just a bunch of natives chasing well. That's what I give credit to the resident evil films. At least they gave us the cool laser room concept. Yeah pretty much. Yeah that's basically it and a slipknot soundtrack. So it's like heartfully delivers because based on the law you know the umbrella scientists working out of the mansion in the mountains so the Greenwood asylums probably some people who were test subjects. Maybe maybe they will give funding. Because there's an environmental reason. That's why they were out in the middle of the woods and land to be there. That's right the umbrella corporation. We're giving money to do anti climate change. Yeah once this could be. Virus was caused by global warming. Yeah no pleased. Aren't here so hopefully we get a bit of insight into the Ashmore not the Ashmore. I forgot the name the scientists in the mansion. Okay the names. Although Lennon was just whisker here. And there's other people around him. That died chill now just a lot of ways. Jill live in Canada or she did she didn't cannon isn't he What happened after five because I remember she got infected in everything she died five? We'll have to relook at it. I don't WANNA say anything. We'RE GONNA burn our podcast. No you idiot yes. We'll come down. Remember these long Syria video against people. We've been there since day. One we showing like Ada. Full enriched naval too but we know she's in four and seeks eight thousand six. I'm pretty sure. Yeah I don't know the made too many fuck games. All I know is that I got seven full of Indie gala for half price. That would wants the hunter for Fifty Bucks Soldo. That's what I'm going to be playing into next as well. So the dame's of total leader. We'll get back to resin. Evil Talk Awesome. Yeah but also naval a bit of potatoes number eight has been revealed. Yeah I heard there's Talks about it. That's all you really got nine. Is that this copyrights toward and everything in which is natural. They do it every time. I'm going to try at seven because I got to see what Mike is on everything Zig Nuys. Well it's good. It's going back to the classic style. So that's why I prefer most residential and everything. I like my action games. But it gets a bit tedious to appoint when it happens again and again and again and again and other series doing it as well as a took Took the piece. When I'm Chris Punch the Rock That was phenomenal. Classic up over RAW. Get up behind the boulder or the the battle against West where you just turn out the lights. That he's just I can't see you. I'M NOT GONNA take off my sunglasses. They do it though fuck. But apparently eighth and winters reprise his role. He's the protagonist in resonable seven cool. He's GonNa reprising or at least being a playable character in reasonable light. Okay it's GonNa be in a snowy mountainous area apparently so Castle Wolfenstein any. There was that S- no one knows the one on the free. Yes we released recently. Actually on PC and everything revelations revelations actually go through multiple is like he from the beach for the mountains and everything else so that on a boat as well. So that's that's my latest resonable news. Also there's been some movement with the Diablo. Netflix flicks anime. Yes basically the person who's directing or writing it. I'm not sure what he says he does. He's added as credits on Lincoln and everyone's going into meltdown mode saying it's Being confirmed they've blizzard having confirmed it yet. But it's confirmed. Yeah pretty much if he's already listed publicly then that's how it is. I'm sorry he just walked you guys. Yeah I was reading rating. And they're like all quite sure what the plot details. I'm like I do. Everyone does yellows there and then bad stuff happens or goes like that. It's like either. Diablo was already day. Or there's a plot where you sobbing another demon and then that demand leads to something. Diablo as well. Wow it's not very hard to understand in this inside in twenty twenty. I think I'm protagonist will be female. Yes it'll be. I mean there's this chick pretty bad us maybe an assassin or rogue. Yeah kind of character coming to town and being like oh. This place is fucked. Yeah you guys suck. You need a hero. And then the I don't know but it's GonNa be kind of Kosovan yeary like the same production company because it's the same production value nice to see and everything but we're getting on the talk of Kosovo itself. For the first season came out it was only four episodes. That's not a season I expected at least eight episodes also for a season or is not enough over. Sorry yeah that's exactly what it is not A. You're not new. You just made no. Va Grand Breaking to call it. A limited series. Yeah no it's limited series. That's all. It is an unfinished series. We could not be fucked finishing. Yeah season to renounce say yes trial. Yeah so hopefully that has more than four but it looks like the animation department is good but it's not productive enough. Yeah that's what I always get a feeling of it. It's like it looks good visually. But there's parts word itemize where some parts and everything where it's like you know you wish they got a bit more time to smooth it out and stuff like did some positive. A bit choppy. Yeah so I guess they under the ball and they could be someone just out but it's just like the game that's choppy and shut up the difference between the early sprite enhanced to draw from the Nineteen Ninety S. Don't compare today so yeah leave this assistant from Nineteen eighty-nine that release Big Perspective people. Yes basically about that kind of concludes the video game news and TV knees has been anything else that you've come across recently in the news of Front for the for the for the game so I had not really besides that I just saw. We've already discussed exactly what was going to be released shortly. And everything we've talked about delays. That happened any other news. I've heard about basically is just starting to lay sie free news. Is that a coney announced that they are not going to be at the free. Big shock the tend to mark. Soco's going to be there as well and mostly other third parties and everything But I think this For more of tribal push from game journalists against E. Free because about the the the dachshund that happened about last year. You heard about that to know where that basically the entire list of all the people that attended free who these big journalists because you know they keep nights of all these people are and everything yet become mation. What is before the you know the interviews and everything else like that. All of it dropped on the Internet. So everyone's details bottom that will work in journalists like it's all their contact details that postal address because the invitations emails. It's all day it's like mission impossible. The first one with the GNARLIEST yes. The list is out in the open. All these journalists are going to get no that try to like is a very big thing but no one kid yet save probably they probably got one caller who shit and hang forty no a majority of game journalists trash. Yeah so you're not printing telling them yeah. I mean. They don't even get bullied online anymore. Yes people ignore them. That is the worst kind of beliefs the ignoring one entirely. That's them not giving caring enough to get you effort ably. It's like I think I remember. I think I'll try and find this clip and I'll play it on. If I can remember yachts he wants discussing with them one of the gearbox director's the young boy the young gearbox director fucking Shit. Yeah right he was talking to us he was still GonNa Yati. Yati was doing an interview with him and he was like saying that you know something I could say could potentially make or break your game. I think you've ever had any swing on anyone sales in any game avar. Yeah and you basically just shut the fuck up. That's fair it was funniest comeback ever heard. Well he'd be right because if you actually look at the traffic of people who go to these websites versus the actual output people who buy and everything else like that majority people that by video games. They're the ones that just walk into every time we go What is on the show? I'm going to take this pretty much. That is the majority people. I'm telling you from experience. He's the majority well a majority of the people who watch these these review channels that do nothing but trench games like Yahtzee and all those other ones. The angry not the anger videogame node. Because he's from way back when but the angry review is this was just crap because you know that input into it. I bet you none of the views of that. Actually Watch play by the Games. Because they can't afford them yeah of course so they just do that like it was going to be shit anyway. Yeah it's exactly what twitch and everything else took off because again the opportunity for something free is always going to win either people paying for it and that's why you see a lot of people. Do you think everyone in that tweet. Chat actually owns the game. No cost daily anyone. Yeah exactly it's just comes down to that. It's just sorry everyone this afternoon. I understand it because I'm from like that real background of I really care about games and films and everything else that I go to efforts alone about nine. The majority of them wants to say Oh. I watched a movie. It was funny. Who who well I guess I guess? That's the whole concept of This new Netflix of gaming model started. Yeah I guess. Microsoft saw that people were buying games because twitchell as other stuff but if they gave them like this pay to play as many games you want yeah kind of service then. Yeah praised the game possible that but that's the thing they still haven't come to discuss what the price is yet. It's still in its Beta stage and everything else like that. So that's where it always comes down to you but if I say now they charge about. I'm being modest about fifty bucks a month or anything just for like fifty would be the Max I would say. I mean they'll have to bundle gold with that. I wouldn't spend fifty bucks a lauren subscription. It comes a month. I'm saying the most extreme situation saying don't make this the standard. I'm feeling I'm sure because we have so much swing. Xbox had yeah I guys I'm prying but I say if they charge twenty five would be the ideal about twenty five dollars a month and the access to the old game library thing. That's a bargain on itself. And you could come back with your savings and everything everything. That's a bog and that's a steal. I think I think eighth. Threes numbers were one hundred fifteen so yes folks nine ninety nine and the ultimate game PAS which translates to pay an xbox forty nine okay. That's locked in. That's done really yeah. That's actually phenomenal. But that's an x factor is that we're not getting again. Sony Microsoft will just keep themselves lockdown when it comes to the price for the new systems because he keeps going like. Oh it could be a lot but equipped is like it is going to be either way. You're going to see what Microsoft is GonNa say. You're gonNA respond to it. Yeah you're pretty much. That's why you know coming eighth. Ray respects fucking thing it. Then you don't even have a concept design and Bay because you don't have any games for data. Yeah you basically made it Dev kit with additive. Yeah Ubisoft showing off that you can play playstation four games. I'm like the better like a better frame rates and everything I'm like. Yeah that's cool but I want something else for the new system. 'cause already had the floor and they not hard to find if you haven't noticed. I'm fine with the frame rate working better because that's to be expected. Yes that's what should be expected to make. You appreciate. Thank you for giving us what we deserve. Yeah we'll give you our money. Yeah Yeah I'm off the time. Yeah so this is pretty interesting. That playstations backed out of the D think it's because they can't afford the spice well. It's it's really hard to say because they now they moved their offices from San Francisco. Uk. That's the other news right. Yeah that's been a real change that they had their main game office in Japan and they went to San Francisco and that became the standard for them and everything else let that for about a year or two like two years and now they denounced like Oh. We'll just old packing up and we're going to go to the UK and it's just like A right it's the very distressing when you see something like that. Because of areas that they live in where the businesses will affect the outcome of how what? Games get made and everything. Yeah this bizarre I mean you say that because we look at it actually played. I recently just played for like one of the first playstation re banks or the PS full. It's the medieval game which was like an exclusive published. Only game by again. It used to be just Sony. America Japan and Sony America was in New York City at the time. So basically when you look at that game. It's very straightforward as much as they video game as possible. Yeah when you look at it. It doesn't go into much production values or anything like that. It just gets to cut seen it goes to the next pot games very straightforward everything else. That simple love it. Great pickup and everything. The game they come out of Saudi at a time of like the perfect example data will get you compare it to what the other ones when they were in different areas but when it became the San Francisco area you got data warn you. GotTa War says I'm with the patients that everything that people. Yeah Yeah that's an interesting move. I think I think playstation has this issue where they keep on trying to give these these epic masterpieces when they should like xbox just put they put the trash spokes. Xbox XBOX has a lot of trash and all the trash there's one or two gyms right yeah playstation do nothing but try and give us these beautiful gyms like stranger things. Detroit become human Fucking everything else. That was like heavy rain in that sheet. Yeah they read in Vendetta that wheel. Because I think that's what we want. Sometimes we just want to waste on. Yeah well again. It comes down to demographics at the time and everything and like I said that is the consequence of the people that I just mentioned who walk in the stores and they buy whatever off the shelf and that was happened during the time. That was that game the motion capture. Would they pay the teens at the woods and everything Fuck Don something dawn. Yes he wants to look at the game and everything but it was that game and that game selling well extremely well because it became on the Internet and everyone rushed out to buy the game and everything else like that. That's when Sony actually had the press conference that's what our audience wants until dawn. Yes that's it until dawn. And they said that's what more about orients was what more cinematic simple play games. And there you go. And that's exactly that's the concert so the cubs the by which actually understand why they probably moved to the UK because one of the biggest sellers is faithful there so it'll be closer to the action. Let's give you bright. Could kick it well. Most likely they probably the most larger markets and everything else like that. Because if you look at it comes down to they still They're all still selling very well around except Microsoft. They just lingering in the back there it seems they just intend on. Sony at the moment but it looks like the most likely looking at which game seldom is areas. Then probably move over there and then try and from the local and everything else like that but it's interesting changes coming for the PS five win a new systems coming out and they make such a drastic change of the country. The fact yes. That's that's really interesting Speaking of England Free Radical Games which made times but his we English obviously derivatives Zaveri. This baynes some updates on the potential of Thompson is full yeah it it it. Someone bought the IP recently so not. Somebody pays the name time. So this fall yes so it's potentially going to happen most likely. Yeah well it just comes down to who will be working on anymore because free radical just doesn't exist as a studio audience. They all moved on. Yeah I really like two times for this series. It's a nice goal. Nine pethick Dhakal tone. If they're they're all amazing flame-throwing snowman off nominal. Legal the butts and everything. That's the best part. Teach Nordic announced the franchises make a comeback they bought they acquired the rights to the IP. Sorry I was right. Well that means they will fuller fruit because they seem that they'd be falling through with everything. Yes so it's interesting because don't forget one dude. I think it's nuts. Attainment a few tostadas raiwind you guys been working on that the remake of the first three games yes fit lost like eighteen. Also his yeah. He's over a decade now and he just released a another update of guns luck. Broadband you gotta get a move on to other rent a Patriot or something. Yeah kickstart that sheet. Because it's I. It's it's dragging your 'cause that's what it is. It's like that's a lot of people don't understand. Is that people go to these dream projects and everything expect them not to be finished. I'm just giving you a bit of a heads up when it comes down to it but it'd be phenomenal to have time so there's one two and free redone if intact. It kept its game. It's tight gameplay. With a more modernized engineer think it'd be phenomenal especially in online mode again. We Return Goldeneye online again way. More weapons well. What do you normally should do? They should buy. They should go to the guy who's doing tostitos and give them to get him to help them and also he can can plate. He's game well. That's a good idea. That's what Capcom did. When it came to resonable to remake. It was the another retire fan project original one. And that's what they showed it and that's Capitol instead of shutting him down use commonsense said. Get you guys over us so we take what you've already worked on. And then we add on top of it and then it's all done hinting. Nintendo condemnation desists poisoning. Attendant will not change. I found out recently. Just closed down. A GO-CART Company in Japan. That did their version of Mario Kart. But they didn't give the tendons permission so you get crushed. Sorry they'll be doing that a lot. Now that Nintendo world's opening very soon universal studio Japan and everything so they had the amazing big Freidy. Cg render of everyone doing stuff that you will not be able to do at Nintendo land itself. No way the dark. There's no way they had to make you sign a waiver if you're GONNA do any of that stuff to put it in perspective They released a I. Guess you could call it a trailer for Nintendo world starring the lovely Charlie. Ck WHO hasn't done any other songs. Since I don't care I crushed my car into a bridge. Yeah Japan doing ads which is pretty cool. Yeah but I'm the the ad made. The ad made me nostalgic but at the same time like this was going to be like. Yeah you're not going to beat no. We're not going to be able to jump across the land and onto the flagpoles swing down and stop. No No. We're not going to be able to do the stuff in the Mario planning to sign with. No there'd be no waivers or anything. It'd be much likely you really go on the tow train. It'd be like trying bubble just toes on it or the Marcotte like just single track. Yeah everyone goes one after the other and get dressed up as the Mara characters and you get a photo. I sold onto junkie. The roller coaster doesn't even give you the feeling of driving ago Cut Bananas. Yeah crazy but yeah so. That's some pretty good news. Bad does to some time. So there's four series hopefully get something out of it. I mean he could go either way. Tears Connecticut is by and sit on his companies like to do that. I mean what is staged queued on lately. Nothing nothing well. They released a new by true identity. Dockside isn't doing the remake of all. Humans must die as well as well but except the demo didn't have an skip cut scenes. Please fix that. I'm sorry if I were played the game before and I know what they're gonNA say. Just let me skip it. Please also cuts angel excusable yet godless. But you miss the story if I want to get the story. It'll take me a minute to read up on it. They're not very complicated people. I'm fine I'm fine. Against Solid series. War is bad. Wow like the reason. I still play in kingdom hearts three. Oh my goodness I bought that I bought it. I didn't acquire at aborted. Yeah he's like I'll play this game. It'll be awesome. I paid about five hours and I only actually to play the actual game for about twenty minutes. Yeesh the risk was cut scenes E and. I'm like I don't want to play. This is what happened to the. Pg where you had the guy with the key blades. Despite all the monsters all the time I want to go back to that instead of just bring up that dump truck of law. I don't care it just moves it has. It's been nonsense people. Let's be honest by this game. There's been a lot of nonsense happened between two free by and all the other side games that everything's I loaded onto a lot of nonsense. Get it Outta here. Let's get it back to basics. Chop Chop keep it simple. Because that's the problem. If you have a long gap between the two and a bunch of side Games in finance you you need to add that to your game. You need to be weary of that in your game. Yeah it makes it much harder for you to produce that. Yeah that makes it much much. Because then you'd put restrictions of the story and everything else again it comes down to it's just like it's just too much is at a lot of people say oh you can't have too much lower. It gets to the point way. If you can't explain it to someone who wants to get into the series where the in a minute like to the point and everything. You got a problem. Yeah well I don't think that's that's kingdom hearts. Three is not for those kind of people it starts off with Kingdom of hearts one. It's like okay I'm done. Yeah I just WANNA walk away now so a Honda accord well. Let's just remember. Is that given the island? And they got broken up but then they got back together. But then I didn't and in that song plays That was pretty and you walk you. Don't he said he doesn't have the clout turns out to be like? Wow it's cloudy would ever and it's like wow it's squirrel a look and he would ever like. Wow you guys are not really great characters scold. Glad of the bus boy. Did I really want to say what they do with? Cloud fonzie seven the remake. Like they're gonNa make me interesting or is he just going to be a flat monotone freight well from what? I play the packs demo. It's pretty much still in line with that attitude of the cloud of just like I care but I don't think okay. Sadness pays for my. Yeah yeah well. That's obviously got delayed by an extra month. I think that's Ju- April April. The Twenty First Right before the twentieth right before the birthday. Oh yes happy birthday to you. Yes but it's the plant. Yup probably figured we used in the struggle birthday. 'cause WE'RE GONNA offspring coming in the days before my birthday as well so and all you do. Is Yell at play. The crazy taxi song. Yeah Yeah I did talk about that song where everything. The neighborhood fell apart. I know that's I ninety percent assaulted grownup Pacino. Suck man come. Douglas first two albums and then leave it at that. Yeah no that'd be really fun to see offspring your right so we'll duck into the chromosome all right. Well I'm duck there because we've got some promos of some podcasts. Also potentially we might have a discussion with company from 'cause Pentium 'cause play it's another pop culture convention that starting in Melbourne. It's in July. They've got two guests currenly Mel Gibson. And William Shatner basically that that. That's some stop our Mel's e like lots of the cons have like like big ride. Seb's celebs this is gone. The eighth grade. Oh Yeah they got the Shatt here. Shanna and Gibson. I just wanted to yell at me. That's fine I K- oh I'd love to see. Hopefully it will. I'm just convinced to going there because of what you just told me. Hopefully I could get a decency with Cameron have voted melges. Lets it all out what he thinks about everyone around him when I hate about other races? At least be smell walk around wasteland on my life. Caldeans like Mr Mill. Really Redeem himself with a Hacksaw Ridge not gonNA lie. Yes directo beautiful movie. We'll talk a bit about because penny and when we get back and also we'll talk about anime. You've you talk about some pretty fucked up sanding enemy to tell you about that one. The one of the season. That's getting talked about the voice of the moment which I always do the controversial ones. We talked about Goblin Sleigh last year and we talked about the biggest ones. I fought Dora. Dora was GONNA take that. But it's I know this one takes the cake because of all the reaction has happened afterwards. I mean if you're not gonNA talk about Japan being the most potentially we'd is place on earth while the. Yeah like more as I'll I'll explain to you I'll explain the source material and I'm like how did anyone not read what I just said. And then say yes or no. It's very simple understand. So that's when we get back on equal have our new segment Japan. You so crazy and other segment just general lots. Japan every day. They do what they want. Okay we'll be right back. Hey everybody this is said and this is Ken K. K. Lightsaber Nabil. 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And we're back everyone. Welcome back to infancy dinosaurs for a pot of our second episode too many. So what we're getting onto sway with doing it. It's GONNA call them. It's like decisions of Spring by Georgia on. It'll be here eventually. It will be no no. We're not GonNa do the Armand Resign. He'll get here the series TV. It's calming I swear doing something really crazy. The entire run of game of thrones the whole ran between when he released his book and his other books still is now yet. So it's still be going off book the five books yes. We're waiting on the sixth. Don't yell at me if I got that wrong. But between the fifth came out before the series yeah and the six steelers out yet and the series ran through an ended man. That's a slow slow man. You are not getting the end of that series people for what he described the white. The series ended on Tuesday. I think we discuss these ease. The whites ended B.'s. Georgiana Martin he's going to die before he finishes yes absolutely. I've seen photos of him and that is a very sickly looking man so unfortunately run. That's the way game of thrones ended in joy. But if you don't like it you can just imagine another ending. That's what I do is things that are like just a lot more. Okay so what next? What should we talk about Yes that convention you just mentioned before. We mentioned the the man himself. I Mad Max Himself. Basically so it caused. Pentium is the brainchild of this dude. Who lives up in the coast way? He loves vikings. He loves 'cause play so he decided to start a convention. You can check out a couple of different on it on channel seven or channel nine pop some Lincoln because some people have gone up and talk to him and this is going back to the roots of Conventions like us on pack Savin taxes become so commercial. Yeah commercialize heavily. It's the same stores that they had lost. Its unexpected they're just gonNA keep that's the formula and they're going to stick with every time. Yeah so that's pretty much it so this is going back. Maybe take it the pig to manifest as yes so a bunch of nerds who have a lot in common cause packs has packs. Has Those the people who don't actually play games? I'm not talking about like thoughts so stuff I care about them. I'm fine with that stuff if you want to dress up. Come 'cause that's fine. I'm talking about people that don't play games. They just want to come because they board. Yeah the boroughs the Bronx. You play like maybe halo once and think they're a game. Oh yeah there's yeah well it comes down to. There's a lot of I could easily say that because of the attendance and everything else like that is not a lot of real hardcore. Anything signed people who are more or less enthused about game not there as much anymore like it slimmed down like he can tell in the retrospection as the old guys that have been there always being around for games forever in stop but a lot of the other areas. It's not like that. It's very more modernized. I because painting is it's going to be on the fourth and fifth of July in two thousand twenty doll- Nice so at the Royal Exhibition Building in Melbourne. Basically I'm just going to read a bit from the website and so stood in the fantasy. World Immerse yourself in the very best of anime pop culture TV Film Literature Art and Gaming 'cause Penny and brings a unique mix of interactive events for all ages including celebrity guest panels stalls live music performance and as sports while all the usual experience. You expect from such a convention will be Will be present because Penny and brings a difference through introducing new elements that will create the x factor. Never seen before. Okay so basically. There's GonNa be a lot of CA 'cause play there's going to be a lot of gaming is going to be massive caused by competition. And of course they have secured guests in Mel Gibson. And William Shatner molby coming soon. But they've already kind of line themselves up with two really big name actors. Well that's interesting. If they're open to everything especially like you said all everything else would. It's all bundled up with players that as well but it's mostly as you said Guests are usually the big attraction just like Supernova. Your which by the way this year we got the original evangeline DUB turning up all three of them just to see them go see Kevin Eastman one of the Co credit and the details. But when I saw all the Vikas lie getting a robot Shinji whose face this fight I don't think you actually just ask all three of them if they go contacted by net flix. Yeah Dub yeah near Genesis but yeah so it looks like it's going back to route so it might be like packs first year the first year packs which was just as beautiful combination of all these things. Yeah it was just. They'll just it was a felt like an APP. It felt like a natural market. Because you've ever been to like street markets or you've actually gone to actually like full of my experience growing up as Sunday night markets and everything of all these different venues and stolen just in a nice area just all doing their own thing and that's what it was packages not that anymore. They've just got pushed out by the big guys where it's just like high E. B. Games. Here we have an NBA game store. Do you not see ABE Games would goal? Yeah could've Roy you. Oh Yeah for bull. And don't forget alien software. Yeah the computer cost ten times more for no reason. Killing people drink red bull. Yeah Red Pool and then the tweet that the classes situation twitch partners only rumors which is like come and see all the people on twitter. But you don't get to talk to them. You could see them recording and talking about how they don't want they got a free trip. Here is lucky There was These two calls plays Dress Rain Oscar. And you're asking a question like what have you ever seen the show way for me. Horrible horrible by it. No that's the being cowboys. Tell about ourselves. That's the kingdom hearts. 'cause plays I as he turned out from. This is which one is your favorite game game. Oh my God I think cosby is going to bring back the return of Cable Aids all the K blades. I would like to see the key. Blades versus the Lord of the Rings. 'cause players come back again. Horses Gandolfi pushed him back. Push the Mary Becker to the lines. Look I'd love to see more GEICO's by because it's really just games and games as days. Yeah well that's it is is when it comes to animate it's like we've got these more animated than there was before we can't can't keep up that so much of it. It's a way it's when I think about how much you used to get it in the past versus. Now it's just it's infinite. That's anyway I can say it is infinite. There's no way you can watch every anime. There's no way you can read every Mongo or every comic book. What see every film? It's physically impossible. It's like normal normal world now so keep your eye on pentium anyone who's in the mobile area or even if you don't in the mobile area I can always come down. Just say William Shatner Mel Gibson. I mean what's the problem with that? I mean some of you travel all the way from Sydney pack every year and just get crammed in like Sardines Yum and relax but I watched space. We may have more updates back pending depending on the House and conversations but are just check it out okay boom and now let's go to but what do you do in Japan. That wasn't the name of the segment I came. Well I might as well talk about it. It is a mix just going to be ruffling them in the name of the top of my head. So I'm GonNa give you the concept I and now as I was saying this is the concept I you have to okay so the concept is I'll name it me the concept that I'll name it up. You won't even know what it is that it is. You haven't even heard until I told you today. You give you the concept that I'll give it a name. No I'm telling you. This is me pitching the the Dan show or what you're going to publish to everyone else. Then you gotta think of this from someone who has to sell this to other people and everything and I'm giving catchy day. What did he say? I'M GONNA give it to catch. Okay all right. So how about this? We got ourselves anime right. It was like enemy. Everyone is what that is. We got a medieval city. I love it magic and everything that okay like flays. Yeah like slaves and often and there's a lot of greats shows that everything else like that. There's a new coming to center actually as well. Who often offers a new series? It's I often getting series but yeah so we got ourselves the magical setting you'll understand okay. The main group of adventure is is free guys that go to each town to see what species they can have sex with in the Brussels and then they write reviews about it. Okay let's let's leave it evil fantasy which is by the way yield YELP CA. I should've correct Davies. Interspecies reviews something else like that. But yeah that's the actual title of everything else. Like that. And so yeah. It's all medieval. Coach set creatures and everything. So they go into wasn't as one of just hoppy David Go. We'll review that and everything. It means reviews end up and they just posted a notice board. We the scroll and come up with her interesting. That's what you could do. It's live that magic but like I said everyone comes to the tavern because the way it is everyone comes to meet are just posted on. My Wall comes up there. And you just say Oh. That's what you can do those species that really get some and so 'cause funny mation picked us up and then suddenly after they did a few episodes a minute. We're not supposed to be doing stuff like this. This is all highly inappropriate stuff. And we'RE GOING TO DROP. W of it right now and there was actually two Japanese. Networks like yeah. This is a bit too much for us and they dropped it as well. Toys are not totally. Doesn't have their own channel. Though they they may shaded buy the actual to networks in Japan actually dropped as well. The they say this is one called. Amex. Ta or something like that. They have a completely uncensored. But you don't see anything. It's just modern anime. Now it's like I said it's the best way to describe it as GYCO GIGOT perfectly. Who's a anime review said? I can't believe it's not anti perfectly describe. The it's like other shows that have been passed on to me by other people among owners. Another one was called the peeping room. And I'm like reading a couple of chapters cost us at this fruit to me. Unlikely Rolling and everything. Kosta did he just wanted to share his anti would be like no. It's not an anti sway I don't know is looking like a hint real this stuff and everything because that's the thing is like the. The visual Japan is that they have no restrictions they do but the American Comic Book Industry so they get all the angles people all the angles going like. They must have hired people to get these kind of shots and everything else but that is only the physical where. I can think of that something like that. That's a big Japan again. Never change you give us all a loves those just just reading the title of and disturbing the concept of what guy didn't read exactly what it is. You have to sell this back to stop what it would not fly. I can imagine funding nation dropping. The ball like that. It's like this is really good at amid for nine to thirteen year olds. It's like what they do research or anything. It's very clear that now fundamentally bunch of dumb dumbs Hump will basically just have the vocals. I don't even watch the show. I'm just reading the script. Yeah that's that is. Add the voice actors. Regan what does voice actors turnaround got. Okay Tony Dirty. Harvey was a dirty dirty slut. Yeah from behind. That's it it's like it's just like do you know if you touch hobbies hair at a certain place that really gets excuse me. What am I reading that they can get Bruce? Falconer do that. He likes token Daddy. What does it Spike Spiegel nuts? Why people whose that other guy who's always does all the voice acting Jason Blum Jason. Blum Yeah He. He's got full roles at it. Sparks Bagel in three different accents? Yes flights field free differences and Jason Jason and five different other ones. That's Frankie from one piece in this. This and he's got each different on death. Jason Blum Jason Jason Bourne. I just combined two different course stable. Excuse US STEVE PLUM STINKY LA LA. Love the club. The Guy who's everything who does voice acting for everything. Yeah he's every black guy ever in every TV cartoon show he's always told them on and Samurai. Jack Yes Jack. Have you checked out the new TV show primal yet yes? All of them came out again. It was another four episodes for season which is not but like I said when I looked at what the content was and I think about when it came back to seven right. Jacks the set what we should call the finale. Let your best place up is when Kennedy was interviewed. A bad when he said he was GONNA make it out one he was like he didn't. WanNa make it way you just be. Sa- violence and blood and everything for the sake of toilet materials store and everything. If I was going to do that it'd be something else entirely. And that's what primarily is primal is where he gets to go full ham with the violence and everything else like that and the top us. And it's the perfect setting for that. It's the primal setting. It's the period of our existence will be killed. That's pretty much what it was. You Forget. Two Thousand Twenty is the current how we live now and how they lived in the past they could not have not comprehendible. We have none Awesome I think that's time for US tonight okay. Did you have anything else that you wanted to touch on before we went Yeah touch came in the mail from again. One of the reasons I do get kickstarts. Not for games. It's books books or music vinyl because I use. It's hard to not making excuses for those ones or anything but yes. I got one which is again. I say I love the fan base because they go to such effort for Love Siga and everything I've got to see. You can make a drive collection book. Where the guy went through and got all the artwork from all the books and interviews with people who work today including the artist worked on the covers and every day just a HIV breakdown. Everything I got another one of dreamcast year. One which is the first year of the dreamcast. Break down in the pal region and everywhere else where will release it everything but the next one? That came out that I was excited. I completely forgot about but I have in my possession now which I'm a little giddy like a kid. Is this a pop up book as you know pop up books will his papers when they telling stories and everything but except for the pop up as I'm opening now Nikko could see me basically look at? But this is actually a pop up of the Retro Arcade Systems that were in the nineteen eighties. They came out so ted to Canada's back this Shenmu these game actually a pin and hang on is the first one that comes up. That's the red motorcycle that he gets on. If you play the Yucca series people would know about space. Harrier that's the game that's regularly and all the Arcades Nickel Nickel upload all these pitches onto Mayes instagram. It's coming up very shortly again. Another one outrun as well which Ferrari. Yeah which is a Ferrari license game and everything. Supposedly bacteria brutal with crashes. Aaron like you both fly out of the front from the start again. It's so fun next one one of my favorite ones which was after burner. Which if you remember if you saw Terminator Two when John. Connor was in the arcade. That's the game him and his friend applying. Which is the jet game? This actually comes in the big pod that you sit in and some were actually if they allowed it had full motion control inside it. So if you move to the it actually moved around would you and everything. That was the big pod. One that you went into which would go full rotation read sixty in apart and everything else like that. Nick is fun to play which is more of a skill one which was a helicopter assault game. See why don't we get this shit anymore because wolves are cool anymore. That's why I'm here. And then of course they are version of F zero before even existed which was called power drift power which I never saw at all so it was actually surprised but the cost of book in itself comes with people who around these machines get enough details including original concept works and soon shorts and talk about the experience of what it was like walk into arcades back then and seeing these giant behemoth plastic things like. Well it's a real bike was wo wouldn't be growing up in the age of arcades. Oh that's what it is. What I think about it. The arcade scenes like Pete near like halfway through the nineties the night off because that's what the PS one came out and then develops released game straight to that and they didn't have to go to the arcade whatsoever anymore. So that time when I was a kid growing up I actually got to see the big bulky mid the big machines that you re wrote on and everything else and what it was like feeling with these machines and everything else phenomenal. They phenomenally well perfectly well and everything else like that. That's how it is. You had to work well if you were going to survive if you made a crap game and it didn't work you just you just sank so quickly the machines. Yeah that's it is I saw him. He's seventy species that will come in. You tell they will try to be the quick cash grabs or anything so that they would be gone within a week or two. There's no one would play over result with them. Now it's beautiful. It's a beautiful beautiful book. It's beautiful cover just yet. They've put a lot of effort into it making pop up book. I think it'd be hard in general all. Yes you gotta make sure it closes and falls at fuck it up. Yeah the only experience I have with. Papooses spot goes to the beach and all the tabs of ripped off. Ooh Just because I I really WANNA know spot was this. A spot is just not there anymore. Ran Away the neighbor's child and had to be put down. Sorry Dangerous Doug Laws. Three kids spot. 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Let It Roll: Politics Boxed Merle Haggard Out Of Crossover Superstardom

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52:48 min | 1 year ago

Let It Roll: Politics Boxed Merle Haggard Out Of Crossover Superstardom

"Welcome to let it. Roll the PODCAST. About how and why popular music happens hosted by Nate Wilcox? Follow the literal podcast on twitter. At let it roll. Cast CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE. Let it will podcasts. Dot Com let. It roll is a Pantheon podcast. And you can listen to all the other. Great Pentium podcasts at. Www DOT PANTHEON PODCASTS DOT com today? Nate welcomes author. David can't discuss Merle haggard and his books the runnin. Kind Natan David. Grapple with the factors. That made haggard. One of the great country superstars but prevented him from crossing over to pop audience. The way Johnny Cash Willie Nelson Dolly. Parton Day pop in those ear buds in joy. Sagamore Joe's Nate Wilcox and today. We're joined by. Debbie Cantwell author of Merle Haggard. The running kind David. Welcome to the show. Hi Nate and start this. Additionally has focused on sort of the cultural technological and business aspects of music with a lot of emphasis on you know what factors made somebody a superstar. What can things inhibited? Somebody from being a superstar and your books a little different in that. It's a critical analysis of Merle haggard as an artist with a heavy focus on the lyrics. But the reason I think this book is perfect for our show is that Merle. Haggard is somebody who achieved country music superstardom and had a real shot at pop superstardom but didn't make it arguably because of his lyrics that a fair assessment. I think that's mostly I ask. Yeah he's Definitely did not become a pop superstar because of records like fighting side of me. But I think that there was a moment in the early seventies late sixties early seventies when his lyrics and here's records one of the things just as an aside like I do a lot of you know lyrical analysis of Hagrid body of work in the running kind but I also try really hard to not forget that the music matters as much not more so I think he he. He was making records at that moment to they put him on. You know on the list of people who might become a pop superstar. He had a chance. So there's a lot of countries superstars in that moment Who crossed over Grand Campbell? Johnny cash so on So yeah but then but then fighting side yeah but then fight inside but and I'm glad you mentioned the music but you know James Burton among others offices famous Elvis side man in the Las Vegas years as well as Ricky Nelson's guitarist played a role in rural haggard and the records great of a great bands. Great Arrangements. And I definitely don't want to give that did that. You're only talking about 'cause you definitely paid out subsitute respect but right there in the opening in the Intro to the book you talk about one damned song as a dominating the Merle haggard legacy in the popular consciousness. Tell us about Okie from Muskogee and how it came to overshadow the rest of morals work. Yes Oh if we're if we're thinking about is in terms of how it overshadows why can't before so think about what came before Merle haggard is just had a series of Country Number One And songs that have kind of a country pop Real to them. That could've been pop hits but weren't songs like Mommy tribe especially seeing back home Mama's hungry eyes working man blues It's besides silver wings which is one of the most beautiful country pop records You'll ever hearing your life and all of these things are sort of you know establishing haggard as a songwriter and record maker that people who aren't country fans they're paying attention to even I think both rolling stone and life magazine at the time made the argument that you know if pop stations would placing back home. Then it would be a huge it. They didn't And then okay came out which did become a very minor. Pop hit so. I don't know how much you want me to go into the history of that particular song. I WANNA come back to that but I just wanted to get that point in there. That Merle's opera is overshadowed by one song. I WanNa get to the whole genesis of that song. Run and the right time and place and let's pull back a little bit and and there's one more question I asked before we get into this sort of historical narrative and start going in chronological order and the second question is the books called the running kind. Why did you pick that song? And what is it about that song that you feel is definitive or the right song? I picked to title a Merle Haggard analysis when I think that particular phrase right. The running kind is Really just an ideal sort of summation of what Merle haggard about the line in that Song Where he says Every front door down the hoping that I'd find a back door open. There just had to be exit for the running kind and then idea of wherever you're at you want to be somewhere else is a an idea that shows up in haggard lyric over and over and over again. I think it's a It's associated with his ideas of what he thinks. Freedom is We can get into at a few GAL. Let's go ahead and hit a hidden on the freedom point before we get into the life story. Yeah so I so one of the things just for example. He associated with frequently associated with train song. He's constantly trains. He loves trains You know he catches catches trains to get him to get him gone somewhere else to get him away from responsibility in working man blues He's a sometimes. I WANNA throw my bills out the window. Catch a train to another town kind of a classic idea that if I stay here I'm trapped with in a relationship. I don't like a job. I hate Just expectations from any demanding. Anything up me and so the way to be free of them is to sort of reject them does is a very common kind of rock and roll trope. I think there's lots and lots of rock songs they do. The singing presented very romantically br example. Free Bird No. Where the where. Where he's he's. He's leaving. That woman behind there are other Eagles songs and Allman brothers songs all round men and such and it's all about rejecting these obligations and freedom. Is that rejection? It's moving on for Haggar. When the things that interested me about him is that he does that too but he tends not to presented romantically. It comes off as its own sort of trapped so for example in his in his train song he's constantly saying trains of or the things that are going to give him his escape route to freedom but one of the things about trains is that there you can only go on the tracks. You only go to the one place. It's a predetermined outcome as to what you're going to end up This happens This is comes up again and again and haggard lyrics You Know He. He sings one song that he has rambling fever He's talks and many many songs about how he was born to be running kind. It was born to have rambling. He he's got. He's got a disease and his blood keeps moving on so what is presented initially as freedom is also understood is sort of this thing that he can't get out of that's another trap another prison and one of the things. I value about haggard is that he definitely presents book. Those two ideas not as action. Definitely intention Intention with one another dome necessary complements like up and down good and evil city country which poor prison those two things are constantly always there present out romantically just the way lot is. Yeah and that's one of the things that's fun about Merle haggard fascinating about Merle haggard and earlier this season. We talked to Randy Poe about moral Bucko autobiography and Buck and moral both. Come out of the Bakersfield scene but proceeds moral and buck achieves countries to superstardom. I but other Than Hee haw which is a different thing. Never really comes. Close to the kind of breakthrough into the cultural consciousness. That haggard makes my theory. Is that that buck. Never created a legend. He made a Lotta great songs but they don't add up to anything. They don't tell a story whereas haggard is constantly from the beginning telling a story you've got the theme of freedom which you mentioned and we've already talked about the political thing and we're going to get into the. Mama tried in Hungary is he. He sort of becomes a poet for the Oki's The diaspora of Oki's that move West to California during the depression. And but I WANNA hear we're GONNA play one song and then I'm going to ask you about Merle's relationship to the to the oak and this is hungry eyes. Merle haggard one of the songs where he established himself as the poet laureate of the Oak Diaspora in California covered. Cabin crowded. Davor can stand in this memory. Daddy raised a family live with too hard working. Mom Mama's hungry Adrian and that was hungry eyes Merle haggard which I put in there. It's very hard to pick four songs of Merle haggard. He's been a favorite among my whole life and I picked that one over some other very compelling choices because you call hungry is perhaps his greatest musical accomplishment. Yeah I think I agree that it would be really hard to to pick one but if I had to pick one. That's the one I'm picking I think it it. It's sort of symbolizes all kinds of his strength. It's a symbol of all of his best achievements. It's all it also provides a kind of insight into how haggard worked as a songwriter. I think we have a tendency today to just assume that he is a purely autobiographical songwriter. And he definitely drew. He's almost always writing about how he feels about things. But the events he's describing or not necessarily you know existing out there in the world kind of one to one relationship so in Hungary is you know he's thinking about you. Know growing up in a canvas covered cabin which he actually didn't do He grew up in a box car which is another part of his legend. That has become very very well known It was actually his An uncle and an aunt who lived in canvas covered cabin And he would sometimes go visit them after. His father died when he was nine. And so this. These are things that in some ways that he's describing that song or things that he's observing you know you talked about in the song about You know the parents Hair turn the father's hair turning grey later in the song but of course. He never saw that in his own talker. But what he did see was an entire. You know the the white working class population of Bakersfield and the San Joaquin Valley in those years In in the forties and fifties as they're trying to get themselves established in the middle class. I love how that record begins The way he phrases that canvas covered cabin stands out in this memory revive which is about Oki's but that's not the way he's talk it has it has a very sort of in the distance of former quality. Almost like this is a topic. That's too touchy to to tangle with and so he's coming added cautiously and And then at the end if I don't know how You know if we get to a certain point in the recording the strings come in and You know I think I. I love that song about the O'Keefe that it's almost like you know so now we've gotten to a place where were a little more established we can have things like string just because we want because they're nice and they're pretty and one key point you make about Merle and his relationship with Oki's is that you point out that he's not Tom. Jody the hero of Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath. He's John Ford. The director the movie adapt adaptation of Grapes of Wrath. And that's important to see him as he is a great American artist. Not An untutored Migrant who's expressing something ab just by living. He's an artist. Who's craft in a world? Great world from whole cloth so again it's like He's he's the Oak Legend. You Know People Leave Oklahoma and Arkansas Missouri in Texas and they head out there because of the dust bowl and the depression they go west to California They go west to the promised. Land but moral was born in California. His family had already moved out. There already becomes semi established. His Dad already had a pretty decent job working for the railroad and so when he was born. Merle in nineteen thirty seven. It's like what what to? His parents is the promised. Land Him is merely the place he's always known. And so I think that that has kind of You know that's a an interesting quality about it that he again. He's he's looking at these things once removed. The reason I compared Hegarty John Ford. Is that like forward Merle is not one of the immigrants who leaves one place goes to another he's first-generation he's heard the story of what it's like to make that trip us heard stories and what it's like to experience the classism and the prejudice that greeted the first arrivals and then he's experienced a little bit of that himself because those things don't die quickly but he has definitely wants removed from it another thing. I found interesting reading your book that I didn't know as Merle's relationship with types of rats and there's a point where you reference Kris Kristofferson. It was one of his few peers as a great country. Songwriter in that era and Christopherson was talking about sort of the box that Merle had painted himself in with Oakley Okie from Muskogee and fight inside of me. And how he you know been become synonymous with the angry silent majority and Richard Nixon's culture war and Chris's solution was simple. All he has to do is write some songs about the Grapes of Wrath or Do a concept album about the Grapes of Wrath. But you point out that Mohammed didn't actually like the Grapes of Wrath. Why was that right was I was reminded me even EPA time. He he didn't like that comparison because he thought for some reason that I'm unclear about that Steinbeck portrayed the Oki's as ignorant and stupid and decadent and you know in other words as if he acted as of Steinbeck's book was enacting the stereotypes and prejudices that it was in fact challenging. And so I've you know he's always in his own in his first autobiography he points out. You know I I want you to. I want people to know that we weren't like the joads we did. Well we worked hard and We had pride is the word that he uses there and keeps coming back to throughout his career It's weird to me. I wish that he were still with us. And I could ask him specifically know. Why is it that you think that the jobs are not presented without pride because it would seem as if that's about the only thing they have anyway so he always resisted that that connection and you know my mom was at Oakey who never left's Oklahoma didn't but her brother one of her brothers did join diaspora and worked for the railroading and California in that period in the thirties and forties fifties and her take on that was always about sort of material presentation? She didn't like the jobs either and she. She resented the fact that Oki's or synonymous with basically the beverly hillbillies Jalopy with all their possessions on the top and this was just barely ahead of that crew. It was very important to my mom's family to distinguish themselves from kind of oak assume rural might have a similar reaction. Yeah and I and I and his parents did to one of the Near the end of her life his mother Flossie Hager Given Interview I think to American Heritage magazine where you know. She talks about the their journey out and they're stuck on the side of the road. Their cars overheated and some guy comes along and a on a bicycle who treats really well and helps them out and gets the Mon- further on energy and she comments that we were. You know it was really. He treated us well. He was very kind to us which I appreciate it because everyone else have been treating us like trash and one of the things that I think is common. Among within working class cultures that trashes always other people working class. Yeah so often lumped together And looked down upon by the middle class but most working class people are middle-class aspiring. And so they have to distinguish themselves between those who are deserving of making it into the middle class and those who are trash which is Which is a term of hate speech? I should point out trash white trash. You know it's racist classes both But it's you know the common term I still think it's if it bound up in in in the Haggard Story and probably has a lot to do with with the haggard rejection of people trying to compare them to the joads absolutely in a semi of Scots Irish ancestry. Who didn't really realize it. I mean we would say my family would say oh. We're Scots Irish. But nobody even knew what that meant. And I've seen polling data in a former life. I was a political consultant. And there's consistent polling data that shows when you ask Americans what family what country their ancestors immigrated from. There's a big swath of the country where they just say we're Americans they don't even know what country their ancestors came from. And it correlates exactly with the APPALACHIANS and Oklahoma and Oak Dialysis. So it's the Scots Irish. It's my people and for whatever reason we don't even know our ancestry hints the terms redneck and white trash are used just as often by us to describe ourselves as anything else for lack of better terminology. So there's the distinction there right between. I agree that you know so. I grew up white working class as well here in South Kansas City Missouri from People who'd originally come up from the Missouri and Arkansas so by people with North instead of West and Yeah that's a term that sometimes was used by US Sometimes used by US Y treasures used to describe ourselves but it was done. Ironically it's done kind of like with fingers crossed that knowing that that's not really as I'm just exaggerating and being self deprecating but then sometimes it gets deployed as a weapon at those who we do see below us. Go trying to put you know we've made it a certain way up the ladder so pull the ladder up behind and sometimes it can be fine. Words expressed Addis as well so You know got a lot of them but I want to introduce another song and ask you about a whole nother theme that that as a huge slice of the Merle haggard mythos and that's prison songs and I picked this song because it combines the running song with the Criminal Song so this is a lonesome fusion packet down there tall westbound city. I'm on the run. The highway is my home. I raise a lot of came back in my younger day. While Mama's Apprai- rob would be some Eugene by Merle Haggard and I you know there's a number of these songs Mama tried is another one. That sort of definitive was a special favored of my mother. She would always lecture me. You know what listen to this boy and how Mama tried and she never never shame me by going to prison like that. What what is I mean? Merle haggard as we know now did spend some time in jail he. He didn't turn twenty one and he did turn twenty one in prison but he wasn't doing life without parole. He did get paroled and he got out but he was actually in San Quentin and saw johnny cash. Tell us about about about haggard and prison and his relationship with that. Why was there a slow to publicize that? Yeah there's a lot to unpack there I'm going to. I'm going to push back in one part of your initial premise. In that while on the one hand it's definitely true that haggard is identified with present songs and particularly with him back home and Mama tried right. That's some of the greatest records but he actually didn't record very many prison songs. You'd see I When I was doing the book I saw that in over three hundred sides he cut while he was at Capitol records which is basically like nineteen sixty five to nineteen seventy seven thirteen. Most of those were early and and they're interesting and that they tend not to they. Don't tell us very much about like what life in prison is like that. They tend to be more existential songs. about how it feels maybe to be trapped but not not actually about day to day life in in in prison fugitive is interesting so because it certainly begins to help establish his identity as a kind of outlaw. Some hello right in the sixties But it also reminds us that while haggard is a great songwriter. He recorded tons and tons of songs that probably a lot of people assume he wrote but he didn't. That's all. It was written by Lynn Anderson and her husband I think then Anderson and mature forget Which they wrote partly inspired by the fugitive television series. I'd also point out that it also pointed out that The fugitive I would say that's technically not a prison. Saw back on the run criminal on the run I was trying to get two categories in at once. You know if he's trying to. He's he's on the run again. He's running kind again. Just recently occurred to me but senior back home. One of the greatest prison song is also a running. It's another other running song it's about how can I get out of this prison even if it is just with my imagination. Where where the songs the discreet singers can take me. Yeah it's it's it's fascinating and I didn't realize that until I read your book that that he despite the big presence of the prison songs in his legend and outlaw songs like you say it's a pretty small chunk of it but there's another two categories that want to cover together that are pretty big chunks of his of and that's and that's working man songs and drinking songs. The drinking songs were kind of where he came in. I I you know hit. His first. Big Hit was strangers. All my friends are GONNA be strangers. Which by the way is another one? Anderson saw But then he had swinging doors and the bottle me down drinking songs kind of where he came in his first. Big Hit for national top. Ten hit was All my friends are GONNA be strangers. Which coincidentally was actually another was Anderson Written Song But when he when his first big hits that he wrote himself were swinging doors and the bottle. Let me down those a lot drinking songs of sort of fallen out of favor and country music or at least I should say this particular kind of drinking song where you're drinking to drown your troubles like It's it was he he was. He became quickly expert at it. One of the things that he talks about a lot in both of his autobiographies is how before he'd had any hits he and his His manager Fuzzy Owen. Would you know sit down and go through the billboard country charts so by Song it's supposedly would sort of like just say okay? Here's why this is hit. And he would burn down here about. Here's what strong about it. Here's what it does and I kind of feel like. That's what haggard is green on those early country songs country drinking songs that he has his whatever. He's like trying to figure out the form. How do I have yet? He's a good study. It's when he gets to the fugitive and then the follow up song branded man That he begins to sort of distinguish himself those early drinking songs classic and Great. But they're also sort of There's a lot of other artists around like that. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly And he actually you know you pretty quickly leaves them behind his single stop being that and he turns to what you talk about The working man songs. The most famous of those of course is working man blues Which I probably might say after hungry is would probably be my favorite. It's such a great record right. It's got that like you mentioned earlier. That James Burton was a key part of Haggard Studio Ensemble. The lick that That Burton is playing on that record and the groove that he and the rest of the band Get going is almost immediately transferred always Presley in Las Vegas when he was making those comeback shows in nineteen literally the same band. It's the same band and it's the same groove that thing that always I think people sort of Don't you know here as well today. They might have in that moment And it's just one more way. That haggard was sort of like you know playing around with top potential In that in that moment like Bucko and the Bakersfield sound and you and you go into some of the reasons this isn't entirely or it's kind of an oversimplification but the basic stereotype is that the Bakersfield country sound in the sixties was wilder and closer to rock Richard Drums. A lots of electric guitars and steel guitars less fiddles whereas Nashville was gone country politics with strings etc etc. Like you said that's a little bit overstated. But I think it's generally true and grown up here Merle haggard and I would hear him on the radio and I had a couple of greatest hits albums but Intel. The you know. The day of the celestial jukebox dawned on us and could acquire his whole out in our at least listen through his whole album collection. I never went back and you know through all the first fifteen albums or you know the things. I did preparing for this interview. And so it's it's really fascinating. I definitely never knew that James Burton and the the taking care of business band was backing up. Merle haggard and the next sort of theme or wanted to talk to was his tribute songs that he did a whole album of Jimmy Rodgers songs. He continually covered lefty frizzell and was very clearly an acolyte of great lefty prevail. He did a whole album to Bob Wells but the one that he really kind of fell flat on her. The most disappointed those four is his elvis tribute and real you know reading and realizing. Oh my God. He had played with these guys for years. They played for three years. Why on Earth do it upright on that Elvis? Yeah it's it's it is an odd odd thing it's It's a it's a testament to what a big Presley Fan Haggard was was that he was already working on those presley tribute album before Elvis died And but you're but you're right. I think that that's a pretty doug album wanted. The I'd put it definitely the probably the bottom third of haggard entire career and it doesn't make sense is a huge haggard fan. You came up in Bakersfield scene. Where all those bakersfield bar bands new their Elvis Presley cold could play it hot and you listen to that record and you think my God this is just a dreary sort of going through the motions thing. Why didn't he tap James Burton? Who had been as bandleader in the studio when all those records He didn't actually have the T. Cd Band Backing him in the studio ex- except on Surprisingly enough okay from skokie on brushes and Glenn Harden is playing the piano in the studio version And hardened played onto the tracks but it's just burden but why did he get One of the reasons I'm guessing is that you know. He grew up as an elvis fan in the moment right. He was where he goes to prison. He's it's in nineteen fifty seven and so Personalities already a superstar at that moment right and that's kind of the the direction higher tax on that record as he tries to not do contemporary elvis seventies late sixties Elvis. He's trying to sort of do a fifties all this thing that Fo- fifties does it. Work does get the Jordan airs Like those fifties with Elvis but I would have preferred that. He tried to get like Jd. Sumner and the stamps or you know the backing vocals in the later years. Yeah I sir and and you've got slow go I do before we leave this idea of tribute records so yeah. That is such a key to the haggard aesthetic and two. I think how country music works country. Tradition works as if you if people want to sort of you know have a model for how to ensure that the country tradition continues as we go forward. The trick is always not to make new records that sound like old records. It's to make new records that same sound brand new but that also managed to sound like or connect to the old records right. So that's what his Jimmy Rogers tribute album does. It does not sound like Jimmie rodgers singing in nineteen thirty. It sounds like the album road. Haggar put out right before that pride and what I am. He updated that old. Sound you Jimmy Rogers. As at the at the best of the class because he uses his state of the art sound rearranges the songs. But he's singing the Jimmy Rodgers songs. So that's a great song to go back to. Yeah and then and almost one in a falls on its face and Bob Wills will land somewhere in between those two poles the Bob Willows is what I would on example of a retro album. It's an IT's a new recording. That's trying to sound like an old recording. They've actually leak copied down note for note. The original arrangements off the original Bob Wills and his Texas playboys records. Some of the tracks are so close. That the exactly the same length and Myrtle does Tommy Duncan decides or Bob Wills Decides. He actually says at one point. I'm going to you know. Try to sing. Tommy Dunkin's part on this and by which he means exactly told me Dunkin's part And that's that was the purpose of the record. He he says it's the beginning. Rogers in the wills have spoken. Sections role is by explaining to you why this matters to him and why he thinks that you mad at us on the record he says upfront. You know what I'm trying to do as to recapture that old sound. So that's the the the differences between The Rogers in the world albums is one difference. Is that the former is traditional record in the second of Retro Record. Although I did as you point out have a role in spurring. The Western swing revival with Commander Cody and asleep at the wheel and others and probably influenced Willie Nelson Waylon as well. He did a lot of Bob Wills. Tributes and covers And the seventies as well but right now. I'm going to kind of make a non sequitur. Musil goal non-sequitur British. Because we've got to introduce our next song and it's a big one and it's it's sort of the plot twist the whole episode and I don't know if this idea what release it but but we're going to hear Merle Haggard Doing Irma Jackson. And after this here the sample. David will tell us the story of the Song Armored Jackson. So here's Merle Haggard. Doing Herbert Jackson Bill Feeding from the Mouth World Lover and that there's no way the world will understand that lovers color blind. That's why Jackson can't do mind. I remember when no one cared about and that was more haggard Jackson which I did not know until I read this book was GonNa be the follow up. Single two okie from Muskogee. Tell us about that. Uh Yeah so after Merle has this huge success and get this huge reaction to this song We should probably note that at least in its original conception okay from this was a joke. That was what was inspiring it. Yeah there's a point in the book where you talk about the freakish reaction that they got the first time they played at publicly and an winds me of hearing Waylon Jennings about the reaction to look about Texas. I mean there was just an immediate volcanic crowd reaction inside the two points. I want you to bring out about the extra muskogee that I got from. The book is it was written as a joke. They were passing a joint around on the bus as drove past a sign. That said Muskogee Oklahoma and seventy said. I bet they don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee and to that it's a pretty light hearted song and it wasn't. I don't think moral envisioned it as this is going to be the big one. I think he thought it was just an album track. Maybe or maybe a minor hit. I don't get any concept of what he was playing with it right and as a as I you know. Go into some detail the book you know. The song itself is just sort of laid out there. You know as a joke. We DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA. Muskogee in the early seventies even more it was already telling journalists the only places that don't smoke marijuana is let's go So that clearly wasn't where it said. Was that Monroe was never a big fan of authority. Figures like college deans. We didn't even graduate high school. Let alone go to college Pitching Woo Manley footwear these. Like sort of deliberately. Facetious phrases Which is interesting because then it becomes okay so if we're making fun of somebody at this is a joke. Who's a WHO's the butt and almost sounds as if it's the Muskogee right? It's the Middle Class Square. Let's Gogi people who are being made fun of my sense is that is that you know it's kind of good natured ribbing It's you know these people. These raised bands people as well and as their brainstorming ideas for the songs on the bus. You know it's kind of a there before the grace of God go. I their worldly wise. Now they've toured the country. They've they're not small town folk anymore So they can you know sort of point out. The little Foibles of their people but lovingly. But these but then when he played it live at an NCO club in North Carolina. I think The reaction was just insane. They made him play this song repeatedly shouting it out. Wouldn't let him leave the club until he played it again and again and again and so he quickly went from. This is a funny song to No this is a very serious song is sort of it. It's against the hippies and in later years and much later He began to explain. The song is saying that was his attempt to sort of get into his dad's head and to say okay. If my dad were still alive today and he saw what was happening in America. How would he respond? And that's not very jokey. That's a good mental and Faithful loyal kind of rendering of it. But I think And so you know so. Which is is it serious is the joke. Do you sing it with your hand over your heart or with your your cheek. Yes I think the answer is yes you do you do all those things and it just the power of Okie I think and I. It's a problematic song Pity the power of oak besides the fact that it's just Super Catchy. One time Myrtles complained about. Maybe I shouldn't have written that damn song and Willie Nelson Replied well if you don't want it I'll take it. It's it's it's a fantastic song just in its own right in in in in many ways but I think what the power of it is that it captures an ambivalent not that it pro this anti-vat but that it captured captures how Merle haggard did know. Exactly how he felt about. Those things was torn Not Polarized but ambivalent and I think there's a lesson in there for this moment we find ourselves in today to yeah and his initial thought for how to get out of this. I mean he he. He liked the song who's his promise song and he was but he was already ambivalent about the reaction. It like you know you described beyond a show with Tommy. Smothers wasn't the smothers brothers. Show but it was house about Tommy smothers and he's introduced as sort of the other team contrast very negatively with sly stallone sly and the family stone who've just blindness studio apart with a big party. The song that ends with all the squares can go home dance to the music and neither Merle haggard is brought out and they literally invoke you know the fairness Mike rule which I can't remember what it's called. But that's back when the broadcasters had ferret fairness doctrine where broadcasters had to show both sides of a political argument and literally said we have to do this because of the fairness doctrine and and you know so moral. I'm sure didn't care for the way he was presented. Like you point out. It was recorded separately. So he recorded the song and didn't know how it's going to be presented in the context of the show but his initial thought on how to get out of this is I've got this great song about Interracial love. This is going to blow your mind. Let's put that out. Why did not happen? You went into this. So that's all happening. The reaction that hit status and then the reaction and the music scene television show Tommy smothers. That's all happening in the fall of nineteen sixty nine just After Christmas he goes into the studio and recorded over Jackson and thinks it's going to be the next single. He told a journalist at the time songs inspired by the film. Guess WHO's coming to dinner. Which is something. I'm actually quite a few times gets inspired to write a song that maybe we assume as autobiographical Biz. Actually he's a riffing on the movie. So on but So He's GonNa put that record out in capital I think specifically what that means is his producer. Ken Nelson you know doesn't want to do it. So there's no we think this is a bad idea Talking about the song A few years later with the Wall Street Journal he actually says you know they told me at the time they thought it was a bad bad idea that people might call me and inward lover And it's right there in the paper and then I supplied about it if I was and I think he just Merle ultimately backed down. I've always been sort of I think again. I think the issue here is maybe ambivalence on morals parties having these instincts for these were at least partly progressive liberal tendencies but when push comes to shove at that particular point in his career it doesn't take too much to shove him back into line I think he gave up. I mean this was he. He just had okie. He's like their cash cow capital country. Division right They've already let him do a Jimmie Rodgers a tribute record he. They already are having him. Work on a Bob Wills tribute record which are not exactly know wildly commercial enterprises so the knocking. Eleni put out Jackson. The other frustrating about it is this. Is that if you listen to that record? We just heard it's beautiful. That would have fit right in on top forty radio in nineteen seventy you know with the credence track Before it and maybe Britain's rainy night in Georgia after it it's it has so much potential. Sonically an thematically and John encouraged him to to put it out like johnny had those instincts to Johnny was one of the few people that era that was able to walk both sides of that line. He Johnny cash and Bobby Kennedy without probably the only people that United George Wallace voters with Eugene McCarthy voters and all sort of had that potential and and you know it's it's one of the great what is if you just imagine nineteen sixty nine nineteen seventy Merle haggard drop in the song about interracial that would have blown some is probably one of them a lot like you say capital was worried. It was going to hurt. What destroy what he built and it might have her the country audience but it might have blown wide open with the audience. If you have this in the book I think that he would have had done a story of love about Jane Fonda. In that moment to lose to lose people in the country audience he was. You know he was like God in that particular moment Not Certainly there would have been some controversy but controversy was what you know. Got Him Okey Right. The success there too so it's The thing that I wonder about it used to always think we're what if what would have happened to you know morals career if he had Counterbalanced Okie with Irma as its immediate successor. Instead of fighting side of me and for the time at the time I always thought it would have been like way of redirecting his career but now he's sort of wondering if it if it had been released the way he'd wanted to originally that it wouldn't have been a counterbalance or it wouldn't have been a correction. Is that we would actually here okay differently today. If it's follow up have been Jackson but instead We it was followed up by fight inside of me which is a much more uncomplicated belligerent. Line in the sand chip on the shoulder Tong and so we we. We now hear Okie Completely threw that kind of lends instead of the word. Generous Wins that we might have done it. Heavy released early Jackson next. Yeah absolutely and in two thousand. I was working on a political campaign. I was working in the mayor's race in Philadelphia and with an African good African American friend of mine who is a political consultant where driving back and forth Philly and D C and we'd like to put our IPODS and and put him on shuffling this year each other's collections because we're both big music lovers and we know we're really enjoying the cross pollination and then silver wings comes on and she's literally like nate. I'm I'm appalled by you. You know and and I was like silver wings. Like how do you not like silver wings? And I'm like Oh yeah okie from Muskogee and it's just funny that that you know really painted him. I think you're right. That country had just accepted Charley. Pride and was very proud of that in the late sixties. Because they're trying to show. Hey we're not all bull connor here you know. This is the most south and and I think I think it's just it's as big might have bins and and You know just sort of like the way. I described the way I evaluate. These artists going doesn't quite reach that Merle haggard level because he didn't create a myth and roll haggard doesn't quite reach that Johnny Cash Level of being universally beloved because he picked aside. I also think that I think that's true. Yes I think but I think part of it was that You Know Johnny. Cash and Merle Haggard. Were different because cast tended to be This kind of larger than life figure who You know could Yuck it. Up has a lot to novelty songs. In addition with the serious stuff right He gets explicitly political but he gets the political mostly in ways that allowing to take both sides he. He's like a folk figure who's looking back on the past and recasting it For a contemporary audience but Merle Doesn't allow the audience that distance. So I I think this is one of the things that allow Johnny cash to have that huge comeback nineties that I'm so glad that he did but that Merle is never going to have that kind of a comeback. Because he doesn't hearken back to something earlier he was still so much. Present reminds people In his songs and in his presence when he was with us of those divisions there's a lot of us who grew up You know white working class. You'd like to think that we've gone often become middle class and got educated gone to college and work in offices instead of factories etcetera etcetera. Right and Johnny cash will let you do that. You can do that very comfortably. You think. Kind of come to terms with your working class roots that way. Merle doesn't is not so comfortable he forces you to deal with the Shit that does actually happening In communities in the world and winds up usually involve ambivalent about it. You know being pulled in different directions in ways that it's difficult to reconcile to feel good about feel good artist now. Well I got a lot of joy from listening to his music. It's it's beautifully. Sangre written always beautifully arranged and performed. He was incredulous. Gander stand it. You understand the distinction. I'm making hat. When I say caches the feel-good artists. What I mean is that we can listen to Johnny cash. Do was really ugly stuff but come away feeling is if these problems are surmountable and sure are. They've been dealt with whereas haggard. We don't come away feeling that way now. And as somebody WHO's Scots Irish redneck from Borger? Texas myself I like to think I can talk about this but to me. The the the the narrative of that saying you know he has the okie from muskogee which is which surprises everybody by being this enormous Oughta huge pop hip. But it's a huge cultural moment like it's maybe it wasn't played on pop radio but people were talking about it and people are hearing it and you know it was. Bobby. Leave it a cup. I'm sorry let's leave. It comes in on the fight inside of me. And so he you know He. He blinks on his opportunity to put out the olive branch with Jackson and instead doubles down on the confrontation. And that is so scots. Irish is anybody. Has Wed Read Jim? Webb's book born fighting. I mean that's the the book about the Scots Irish by somebody. Scott's is called born fighting and basically lays out a premise that throughout American history. The Scots Irish will fight. Basically anybody for any reason. You know. It's just sort of like others a fight. You know who we fighting. Not why are we fighting? But who are we find an end? And so it's it's a great American story and Merle. Haggard is a great country artists who expresses his time beautifully. And so I definitely highly recommend him. And we're just trying to parse through comparatively to johnny cash remain. That's a pretty damn high level you know blown past. Bucko and who was a contract in his own right? Merle haggard is way way up there in the Pantheon. Don't get me wrong I'm just you know there's there's another level where no I I agree haggard would be for me if I were going to pick the most important. No country figures post Williams It's it's haggard and Dolly Parton sort of sharing the the throne there And then cash even beneath that the I think there's a but but yes the only thing I'm pushing back on. I think that there's a class difference Maybe it did. Maybe this is the way to put it as that haggard has maintained his An or another way to put even still would be has been limited to his working class affiliations whereas haggard has been able because he's covered rock songs and done this or that and had a TV. Yes he is yeah. He's saw late yet. Cash he is solidly Middle Class Like you save slightly. Yeah absolutely. I'd I'd throw in Willie Nelson in that. Mix with Dolly and Merlin. Donna cast too. But you know we could do one of those and Willie's definitely in the in the Johnny cash since Widely accepted middle-class aspirational. Right Even though he's he's he's a hippie. The hippie overcomes the redneck so dave account. Well the book is Merle Haggard. The running kind it. It's been a real hoot. Talk about it and sorry about all the technical difficulties but I think we've got a good show. Thanks so much for coming on. Follow the letter role. Podcast on twitter at let it roll. Cast and check out our website at let it roll. 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PC Perspective Podcast #533 - 02/20/19

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PC Perspective Podcast #533 - 02/20/19

"L O N. Welcome to the PC perspective podcast episode five hundred and thirty three ING recorded on February twenty two thousand nineteen. I m Sebastian peak. I'm Jeremy Hallstrom. I'm Josh walrus. Amaury titling, and I'm Jim tennis. Jim Tana's is the Andy Rooney of the sixty minutes group. Don't you hate it? When you sit down for a long time and desk start settling on. Yeah. I hate that. I have no response. Josh. Thank you for that. Hey, we have we have some news for you guys this week and reviews and in case, you don't know how you got here. This is the official odd cast PC perspective, which we do every week. And most of the time we do it live. We've had a rocky month or so, but we're back to doing it live on a semi regular basis at ten pm Wednesdays ten pm eastern time on Wednesdays. And to find out when we go live. You can subscribe to what we affectionately call our spam list. We make we make this promise that we will only send you an Email when we're about to go live, whether it's the podcast or special event. And we've been pretty consistent with that. I think I'm a subscriber myself, and I've never gotten any actual spam. So don't worry. But let's get right to it. 'cause we have a lot of news and some reviews to get this week starting with you, Jim. Who recruited a review of the sinology D S one zero one nine plus I did and politics. I'm having already having trouble. Switching and thinking. But yes, so I reviewed I knew sinology Nass -nology releases their products twice a year in the early part of the year and then in the fall. So last year, I think it was last fall they released a device called the D S nine eighteen plus, and it was a nice little Nass. It had a cellar on processor quad core that could do hardware. Transporting video had envy me like dedicated VME's slots for caching, and it was forbe's. And so a lot of people felt constrained by those forbe's. So now this month they've released this this is a pretty much. Much identical variant on the nine eighteen plus but with five bays same number of same processors. Same board same ram capacities. Although this ships with eight that's the difference the nineteen plus shipped with four so you're gonna get eight out of the gate with this. It's got to envy me cashing slots, same basic design to almost identical here, if you can see if you're watching a video feed the ten nineteen plus here, this is the DS ten nineteen plus and the nine hundred here, so very very very much similar. So that kind of takes a little bit of the excitement out of this one out of this release because we've seen all this before. But we didn't review this one in particular. What are the nineteen? Plus, I should say. So it is new to us is that what network was that? And be see. I haven't seen it. It's new to me. But it's a a nice, man. Mid range Nass, but it's got some interesting, limitations. So it's only Giga bet. There's if I can find a picture here. It's only got to one gigabit ports on the back. So no ten gig expansion. No built in ten gig. No PCIE's slot. So you can expand it you're going to be limited to one gigabit. Or if you use the link aggregation you can get to. But you've gotta have support for two to three AD is the protocol and got support for that in your switch as well. And not a lot of switches have that especially the switches that people who'd be buying this would probably have. So if you can't look aggregation you can do you can still use both ports for a load balancing or fail over. But it's for a device constrained by gigabit networking, it's fast. It's quiet. It's running sinology station manager software, which in my opinion is still the best out. They're very easy to. Install apps for easy to get your stored setups. At backups set of snap shops snapshots to protect your data. And the interesting thing is if you see the pictures here, you've got these two MD two slots on the bottom and these are envy me MD to cause about two can be saddled or envy me, and it's using VM. So that's the higher performance higher cost drives. And there's not a lot you can use in this form factor with this EP you to take advantage of that. Now, this was a beefy, you know, enterprise grade Nass with a Zeon processor, you know, something just beefier you could be running database servers, you could be running VM's, and you could really take advantage of that performance from the envy AMIS, but with the seller on I mean, you can do a little bit a little bit. But I just don't see how many people are how many small businesses are going to be able to take advantage of that are gonna find value in doing it. You know with. Having that fast storage that fast cash, but being limited by the network connection in the processor. So if you kind of nor that I mean, you could use them most home workloads aren't going to benefit, but so assuming you ignore that. And you look at just as a nice little Nass. The big key from the previous algae models is the hardware trance coating because these are great for plaques and even for not using plaques you can use sinology zone software, which does video trance coating think it's called video station. So we benchmark that and using plaques it can do five ten eighty p transposed simultaneously from untouched Blu-ray cave rip. So it's compressed. But it's compressed as it was on the original desk. So from that full thirty to fifty megabit source file down to eight megabits you can do five simultaneous TransCo. That's pretty good. That's going to cover a lot of users looking at it just on a software trans. Code. I can do just to before it really chokes. But there's an additional benefit having the hardware. Transporter is not only do you get more, but it doesn't tax your processors. So if you see this immature on the site with those five transco's going your CPA's only at fifty percent. So if somebody else's accessing vanass to do, you know, data storage or backups, or whatever you're not going to be causing an issue there? So like, I said, it's not a very exciting thing we've seen this before this is pretty much dental specs. It's nice to get the gigs of ram out of the gate. I will note that sinology says that eight gigs is the max. So it ships with eight which is two by four there DDR three. But some users have reported at sixteen is the unofficial limits. If you wanna go to sixteen you could do that it's six forty nine ninety nine without drives in that's a hundred dollars more than the nine eighteen. Plus, however, if you're a power user if you have any experience with faster than gigabit networking look at the sixteen eighteen. Plus, which is what we reviewed last fall. It's seven forty nine. But it's six bays, and it has a PCIE's slot. So you can add a ten gig, Nick. Which is what we did in our testing, you get less ram out of the gate. It's four gigs that ships have. But it goes to a max of thirty two and the processor doesn't support hard ratchets coating. So again, if you're buying the sully for plex, the ten nineteen might be a better by but in terms of overall flexibility room to grow performance with greater than gigabit networking. It's a tough call. I mean, I I would personally go with the sixteen eighteen plus, but you know, there's options there, and I know to Q nap is probably sinology biggest competitor in the pre builds turnkey mass market, and they they were behind for a while. But they've been very aggressive in recent years. They have models all across the price range with built in ten gig. Or, you know, even multiple ten gig ports or Bilton. Caching with envy me or just dedicated like m SATA ports and their software's. Getting better the Q nap manager, I still prefer disk manager analogies this station manager, but the offers getting better so cute up is really hot on sinologist heels here, I don't have any issues with reliability with either company. So if you're not impressed by the specs here, take a look at Q nap. And maybe even wait because I think that curious product launches this year is going to force analogy to make some more aggressive changes in their next refresh. So that's the the DS ten nineteen plus six hundred and fifty dollars. Well, good performing, but limited because you do kinda get stuck with that gigabit interface come on man, eight bay or bust. You gotta get to spend that thirteen hundred bucks. Sure. But you can always you can expand. There's they offer expansion modules for all their products. So interesting, even the the smaller was like the forebear you can get an expansion for that with the nine eighteen plus yes, it's e SATA based expansion. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Anybody have any more thoughts about the Ness. I've been working with sinology stuff for quite a while. And this is in the area, and we had the eight bay stuff and for the amount of things you can do with these. It's kind of impressive to go in there. They've got. Three or four dozen apps that you can install and do multiple things, hyper fault backup. We're using it with back blaze and the amount of stuff that you can do with these is is really impressive. And so it's you know, they've been solid product for us. What we've been using warned him. I'm sure Jim has gone over these things in detail on that nauseam. But yeah, the overall experience with sinology is is really really positive. It's good stuff for for the price that you pay and what you can actually get for free. Once you dig in get into the apps and start, you know in the things that you need to do within the at platforms, and it's the same on Cuna as well are awesome. With one click installs. They have a range of apps everything from consumer level stuff to enterprise stuff Docker, you can run your import dockers with two clicks. Backups to back delays or Amazon. Back backup to network volume on your network just to have it going to another another Nassar. I just out of shared network folder. You can run a WordPress. If you want to spend a website real quick test, something, it's it can be a WordPress server, dozens if not hundreds of apps, and there's even third party app stores. You can you can install a repositories you can access so tons of stuff, including plaques. That's how you can set a plex one click and you're done. So the software side sinology and queued up. Our great, okay. Let's move to Mori Mori. We have not seen with the podcasts. Long time. How are you doing? Good good. It's been more. You you you look, well, and you look employed. And I look very restitute probably. You know, three. Shen will do that for you. Morrie? I was on a three year vacation at home that has that make you feel the difference. Is you didn't get paid for it though? I'm still I'm still technically I'm not an employee of Thomas Reuters anymore, but they're still paying me till April. So middle April. Yeah. So I mean, it's just it's doing. Yeah. Every so. You did you did a couple reviews actually, you had two different water blocks that you've reviewed I have not gotten the other one up on the site yet. But the aqua- computer Krause a waterpark you did a Finnish. I did post that. Yes. Crouse computer is a German based company. So, you know, some of the page links you may have to do some translation on if you bring them up. But it's a very well known to very well respected. What Aucoin company their latest block? Is this coupe lex Krause next? The previous generated naming is in great. I mean appreciation was Kupa Krause, but the biggest change I made with this was with the. The total amount of configuration models have out with they have. They also include something called vision with it. That's an actual microprocessor driven module that that actually sits on the what block itself and will. Will measure flow rate as Willis temperature of the law in the coolant going through it the version. I tested was not have it. This was actually a a block that I bought off of a retail site. This wasn't actually a a review sample that we got from Apple computer model. I got was basically just it's all copper construction is a it's got a jet impingement plates on it the cool thing with with their design was the jet impingement plate. Unlike a lot of other companies that use jet impingement technology, there jetting pitchman chamber is actually is actually in bedded in the top heart of the water block itself in makes taken apart and putting together really easy. However, they do use Hex head screws on that which you know, you have to get a start driver to get them out on said of using Phillips head nor. Which would be nice, but they are German company so attend do strange things in Europe. Sometimes it's an all copper construction is nickel plated, which is nice. It uses microchip design. You know? So you do get a little flow restriction through it. But you get a very good cooling. This is actually as far as. Fourth performance goes, this is probably one of the highest form blocks tested. The only probably performance wise the only locked perform better than this one was the. Was that the cool ants? CPU three ninety lock as far as mounting mounting cage goes for. For the eleven five x it's got the back plate with a rubber Gromit isn't seeing a picture. And then it has the mounting polls. Go through the board, and it's got screws and. Springs that hold the block in place that that that mounting bracket is both for the eleven five x and the Amdi. What's the the aim three socket for the four socket which is a rise in rising to and the Eljay twenty eleven sockets sows don't have back plate or mounting polls. The thumbscrews simply screw into the existing mounting brackets on the board self that kinda makes sometimes it can make installation a little bit tricky because you have to physically hold the block while you're tightening the screws down, but it's it's not too bad. Really? Especially since you're not doing naked dies like echina- day. But it's very well constructed block, you know, as I said it performed very, well, it's all copper comes with. No, it has variety of. Configurations krill top. You can get. Get the top with without the vision module in it. They actually sell a super high end version, it's silver copper top with silver base. That's that one though is like two hundred dollars something 'cause silvers ungodly expensive least go water corn. But here you can see you can actually say Mike rotunda design they use. I think it's a twenty. It's very finally Mike channels very finally thin fend. The along the outside of that. You can actually see the question chamber, basically jet impingement plate. We'll forces it into that center line, right? There in water goes the Colin thing goes to the side and collects the collection is actually on the opposite side of the next logo. That's embedded in in a block it self. So it's very very nice on works. Very well. Yeah. That's really and the other thing the other nice thing comes with thermal grizzly, which is very high end. Paste. I for the testing I use we use the just some. The. The name of that stuff is. But it's just some it's not high end pace. It all pays really buys. Maybe a couple of degrees. We use the MG chemicals eight sixty paste for testing as you can see that. That's the stock. Temp sucked really aren't going to see much variance there. This review we only did rise in to testing the. The reason for that was that as I was doing the rise to. Block testing the rise in two temperatures over clocked were excessively high. I mean, they were poaching anywhere from ninety to one hundred. The amount of blocks. Some of you may ask why aren't there more blocks here? The blocks that I tested. I try testing all the latest interracial blocks of the had the blocks that are shown in the review and in graph. So the only ones that actually passed when it was over clocked for rise too. So you should see. You know, the should give you a really good. Estimate of how perform on a twenty eleven or or on a. Eleven five exports will. On eleven five action twenty eleven it's gonna probably be a little bit cool then on to so, but as you can see here. Yeah. Yes is the twenty seven hundred one of the reasons that has the temperature offsets or is that just a twenty seven hundred. I don't remember. Well, so so the way that the rise to the temperature censoring. This got temperature sensors one is. One has one is offset and then one reach temperature. At least the way it's shown in. In core. Temp and in ADA. So you can not sorry not ADA in in hardware. Six four. But you know, as long as it usually the package champ. I think is the temperature that reports by default is I think ten to twenty degrees c higher than the actual temp. So you have to really careful when you're when you're monitoring attempts there. But you know, the the temp shown interviewer offsets those are based on a twenty two I think my room was somewhere between twenty three and twenty seven degrees c so you can see that the attempts are so in the nineties for the. For the max temps. But yeah, as far as the former Gozo in see the cool is is the is the top was top form block. But the computers right on its heels. The excess spec- race on pro is one of the most popular blocks that performs well also. But not as well as computer, so. It's just it's just differences slight differences design. Sebastian mentioned swift apogee see that kind of fell behind that. Does that is one of the only ones in this lineup that does not use a jet pigeon played that one is just a straight Mike triangle redesign, so you have the cooling coming in. You have the coin going out flows micro tunnels, there's no with jet impingement plate. You basically have a channel waters force through in a Senator speeded up. It goes through the microchip Cheinal. Either way in clicks interested block. So that's that's why the pigeon played just tend to a little bit or optimized for target heat loads like us, so. But the only downside of this block is very expensive. I mean, even the even figuration I got a one hundred dollar lock. But it is worth it. I mean, if you wanna do water cooling, you know, it's. If the more money you spend a bit of formats, you're gonna get especially if you're gonna do over clocking. Some of the weaknesses. I mentioned difficult swing? Block mounting brackets amounting brackets are actually bedded in channels in the top. Most people aren't gonna change out. The mounting bracket says why didn't really much on that just something. I mentioned the other thing that was odd with it was that you cannot get replacement tops for like if like in my case you buy the old copper black without division. San wanna get the vision module. I'd have to buy a whole nother lock. I can't just get it top that has vision module bedded in it. That's a just a weakness in the supply chain of computer. It's not as a lot of other companies will offer just replacement tops aqua, Peter just at this point is choosing not. So. I mean. Yes, expensive. But hey, it's the thing that's actually making contact with your CPU. So I know GPU blocks can get really pricey right? Well, thank you Maury. We will move into some of our massive list of news for this week with a massive. Bunch of computrac tes rumors. This is something that actually Tim posted on the site. Jeremy is something that you have investigated. We've heard a lot about rise in like the timing of resins release. Obviously, we've already been told it's mid two thousand nineteen at least that was like the slides another non tech those slides back. Yes. But what are they saying? What are these sources saying about an actual release date? Well, I mean, we're hoping for July the seventh because they're seven nanometer processors. Right. So that makes ounce seven seven. Almost artistic. They're calling it Matisse. Why would they give a month? If if it can be done at computrac. No, no. I don't. I smell skunk. Maybe somebody just on the stink bug. Go ahead. Jeremy? I'm thinking about sing, folks. For some reason, we do get a bit of information. We do know that we're going to see a brand new chipset the the five hundred series. But we're also told that don't worry update to the three hundred or four hundred that you have now will work with these processors after quick bios flash. Which is traditionally true for Amdi. They don't tend to make you buy any motherboard every generation that they put out they'll be arising three thirty three hundreds. Arise in five that we know about and one flagship rise night. Now, the nine is kind of interesting thirty eight fifty x is going to have sixteen cores thirty two threats and the base clock is going to be four point three gigahertz boosts up to five point one. We don't know if that's cross course, I'm Tanny asleep or not. But regardless that's beyond five gigahertz, which is really really nice, especially if you're looking at multi threaded tasks which MD is much stronger at without even seeing this new can do as far as the the lower ones. No, we've there's going to be a lot of twelve core choices that are gonna balance around three point eight four point six up to four point two two five. This rise in FIS are going to be a little bit slimmed-down. So you're gonna see cores sixteen threads again, not like Intel's choosing to single thread some of their lower cross processors and the rise in three three three hundred which has six course. So you're looking at a processor. That's going to be just a hair over one hundred bucks. Probably gonna offer you six cores. I it's just absolutely beautiful now along with these comes new AP us. So we know for sure but thirty six hundred g Anna thirty three hundred g so it's going to have our first glance at navy gonna Naveh twelve integrated graphics, which is going to be kind of interesting to see how it can stack up with what's on the market right now. 'cause we we've sort of gone off balance on GP side where we've got one that are ridiculously expensive and good performing to the. Ones that are just sort of. Yeah. I got a two euro two generational Jeep you when I'm not really thinking about upgrading. So it's gonna be interesting to see how this fits in. It's it's just as long as the do come out when we're hoping is it's going to be really really nice. And of course, along with this. We are also hoping that we're going to see a bit of news about full navy. So. It's you're going to have to wait. An draft says this is we're like this is a long, wait. But it's it's coming. Did you pick out? It's it is coming. I mean, maybe seven seven will be they'll talk about Nabi and be delivering it two or three months from that. I'd I don't think that navy is is on schedule. I think it's a little bit later than they wanted to be. I think that the CPU guys are probably rare in at the bit to get that out. And so wouldn't shock me. If we saw, you know, the three thousand series rise in computrac and some of the first kind of motherboard designs may be. Not with. You know, the chip says that you want with it, namely, the what x five seventy that's gonna be the new top end. I don't know. It's it's it's weird. It's weird timing because they really want to have seven nanometer epic. And they want seven nanometer rise out as soon as possible because Intel's not sleeping. They're not. You know, ignoring them. They're working hard to get their new products out at every month that AMD is behind and not pushing product fits ready is is bad news for them because they've. I can go into hours of talk about the shoes with Intel and their ten nanometer and their design and what they've been doing kind of behind the scenes, and leadership and all this other stuff. I mean, it's it's it's it's it's kinda shit show. Sorry for me. It's. I was is AVI. October like Halloween the earliest, I maybe maybe September. Yeah, october. But you know, I think I think the AMD is focusing on the CPU because that's where they've got good margin. They can sell a lot of stuff potentially the market is larger there, then get out mobile desktop with integrated graphics in high end desktop and now with red reprimand workstation and above that with epic server. I mean, they want to be able to hit these price points the margins the performance being able to get into these areas. And then I think they're focused will eventually get back to Jeep us. But right now CPU's is where they feel they have the best chance of making some serious money. And it will go into this later with podcast versus. You know, what AMD made a quarter versus what Invidia made? I mean, you just look at AMD's products on the GP side and sure polarises is solid. It's a good product for the price Vegas seven. That's pretty expensive for what you get in terms of of power and performance, and you can't really pick one up. So you know, we can kind of see they're really not focusing on GP's is hard. They aren't CPU's. And I think that they're going to push CPU's. Lisa computrac, much harder. So maybe Matvey will be announced seven seven, and they'll have some kind of bells round there with the entire, you know, spectrum Amanda in platform, but I, you know, maybe I'm wrong I've been wrong before. But I think computrac is going to be where AMD releases the begun in terms of CPU, especially in epic. And I really hopefully, do it will still having issues providing chips to business a consumer side yet, you don't worry about it. We'll copen various ways. But for business side, they're making a major purchase that's not gonna let gonna last three years or if you're working to company like me ten or fifteen and so if an MD can actually hit epic coming out at the same time that Intel is having difficulty providing CPS to Dell in various other enterprise providers. It's gonna be really really good for the bottom line coming the first quarter of next year. If until gets head of them, and this is delayed a little bit, and we're not actually seeing product going until the end of the year. They've missed a huge opportunity. Yeah. I know. Well, you know, anecdotal evidence. Also true. You know, Dell Dell is telling their customers, you know, if you don't wanna wait for these Intel pars, which have a significant delay from when you order him to win you actually get him. You should really think about epic. It's a pretty good product. And it's affordable, and you can get it now. And there will be some people not a huge amount that there will be some who will change your mind because they have mission critical systems, they need to implement upgrade her or put in for the first time, and they'll go for epic because they've got some VM where compatibility they've they've got what looks to be a solid platform and it's less expensive. It's got a lot of cores, and it's still performs pretty well may not be Intel. But. HP Dell and others. They're they're starting to push AMD because they simply cannot sell parts that they can't get from Intel because there's a backlog in Zeon. Well, speaking of Intel, and I I don't really have anything to add to that. I mean, I've been staring at this image in the news posts of this CPU. More chip. Let's there's a space. Perfect for another chip lit right there on the right bottom right corner. Anyhow in-cell not to be outdone in the rumors department. Some European retailers apparently have hosted some new Pentium chips Pentium in seller on the front runner, of course, being Pentium gold forgotten about this branding g fifty six twenty. I don't know if you saw this news. I think it was yesterday or this morning that like Tom's hardware was reporting a non tech at yesterday. Basically, this is the first four gigahertz chip with the Pentium name. Which you know for dual core. Four thread part for gigahertz can only be good thing. I would love to see what the pricing. This is going to be though. Same as young goals. Yeah. This. I'm like, why are you cross branding with Zee on this makes sense? I have questions about the branding of a lot of things we could talk about my theories about Invidia branding of the RT X cards cetera. But anyhow, it was funny because when I was reading this post this morning, I was like how much was the first Pentium when it came out. I found an LA times archived newspaper article from nineteen ninety three in December. They were like twenty or ninety four is going to be a great year for PC harbor. They're talking about all these like price drops where the Pentium was only going to be seven hundred and something dollars it launched at eight hundred seventy eight dollars for the sixty megahertz Pentium in nine and a half issues. Yeah. It was it forty floating point was FDA. Yes. Baby. And brand hot sixty megahertz. Even the was fast is compared. The previous generation like the x sixty six you know, it wasn't as fast as the X two eighty and the x four one hundred one twenty one thirty three's that they call them from like AMD their forty six. But yeah, they ran hot they're expensive in the head FDA of issues. I mean, this the x four. This one ingredient have one it's in my hand little all that's Intel was that the the I wish I had. Does the AMD chips from my understanding is even at the same clocks or advertise clocks were faster at least looking at a little bit faster, especially with like the x forty was come at their their highpoint because the the memory bus, and and the front side bus were all little bit higher with the DX forty is compared to the X thirty three and performed very very close to the x sixty six because of all the other system kind of issues. And so the x forty for AMD was was really sweet spot than they doubled. It's the x eighty and it was it was really fast. It was. It was a good processor for the time. The extra forty D eighty sorry. How fast did the pe- Pentium four's get a single core? Pentium four's in like two thousand three or four right before they went to the core architecture because weren't they in the high threes? And I thought they hit order war north would went to the three point two and three point four gigahertz. And I think that was still single core. And then the Prescott went up two three four three six. And then it just kinda petered out wasn't telled like to Lawton was it to learn or no Penrhyn. I can't remember to code codenames. Not stor. Now, I think. Too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To Latin pitting three, but yeah. No. It was that burst. I think it was three point six three point eight. Yeah. I don't remember MB presentations about in millions of instructions per second. We do so much better for clock than Intel can think of doing. Well, what about okay? Yeah. All right. Talked about two lot. So. Which was the one that. Okay. There was at least there was the one Pentium three core. That was simultaneously on slot. One and socket three seventy right. Nothing. Now. Okay. I'm sorry. I I was reading things trying to figure stuff out, which of course. I think is three point eight gigahertz Prescott three point eight. Okay. Prescott like press. Tot? Speaking of living dangerously. Jeremy you posted something that I was I was a little alarmed by. It's like anytime. I see anything about a bios flash. That unlock things on not only do I think of your AMD radian six thousand series Ray, wasn't at the sixty nine fifty unlocked. Was seventy nine fifty I made into seventy. It live for two years almost. I remember unlocking lock. I flashed the bios on my radio on fifty eight seventy two whatever brand had the unlocked. I had a stock when like as an ATS branded one, but I put a different bios on it. And then I over clocked it to one gigahertz ran it just ran the hell out of it for like a year. But particularly dual bio so actually get it back. It was a physical switch. So I wasn't as nervous. He has remember having to use graphite pencil to unlock the empty. Back when they Dar's. Yeah. That was. Or you or your actually sometimes even had to solder leads to pack. Your mother board. And killed quite a few motherboards. Oh, those were the days. But yeah. So if you know, you don't mind the fact that you might kill your thousand dollar plus card. There are a variety of ways to flash it. Be your founders addition are just sort of a plain old vanilla RT. Yes. Got them for twenty six twenty seven twenty eight hundred twenty eight t is you can flash to factory over clocked card, which not so much the overclock as it is the power envelope. So some of these will open power envelopes significantly higher than is designed for that card. This can be a bad thing. But you know, if it was well designed, and you've got it nicely cooled in theory should be able to get a bit more out of it. It's certainly the ad danger. And this is the point where you're reading the actual strings of. So if you go to, you know, four four hundred one you can't, but if you've got to one of four four hundred eight a one you can't. Very you really really want to read through this before you even start thinking about it. Take a look at it. Because fortunately, it's not easy to go back nowadays. But, hey, if you've just got a twenty eighty TR lawing around, and you don't wanna ship to me go right ahead into it. I'm also about the only to duck. You'll take in other words, you'll take it. They're not brave enough. Now when you get it will you do this. We unlock the bios lash say that I did. Okay. All right. You've gotta take one for the team. Jeremy all right, fine. Let me Accardo flash. It perfect. Also have. Oh flash. It. I trust me. I will tell you. I did it's like, wait a minute. The same screen shot your news post. Jeremy come on. All right. Jeremy, I know this is a topic that's near and dear to your heart. It surely is it's. Eighteen is. You're holding mouse by its tail there isn't even any branding left on the poor thing I've been using it for so long. But unfortunately, one of the switches went on it, and I am not Allen. So I am not good at doing tiny little replacements Asada. So it sitting there and maybe one day, I will redo it. But now I don't have to because it's coming back, and it's coming back out of decent price is as soon as they ever better than I ever it's stronger. It's more powerful. It's by onic. Or if our got an arm to bit processor in it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's kind of weird. Well, you've got to be able to have the eighteen profiles nowadays, and it sixty bucks because I figure all this is a classic. They are going to get people like me over like L L hundred forty bucks bit much. But it's honestly the best most ever used. And I mean, I picked up a five oh two because at Assyria sunset that just it was too flat. And the the plastic just did not feel right? And this is a good mouse. But it's not the same and replacing may five eighteen and I'm just gonna hear a sixteen k sensor in it. Now, everything about it except the shell has been upgraded. The shell looks the exact same the more or less await the feel of it is going to be the exact same. It's just you know, it's learned a few tricks over the years whole, I'm honestly more stoked about a most coming back than I probably should be. Oh, go. Where's the be the there's no orgy? Komo is. So where on mine? Where'd you? Go. This bit. That's more note. That's now our GB. It'll have this later light shining into your eyes. Jeremy this is this is the mouse that you need right here. See see that. That's be. I mean, I'd have to turn it on. But this thing does yard GB's too. I have since disabled because it does not help my mouth thing. And it's underneath my palm. So I can't even see it when I'm using it for crying, LA. I have never had a five eighteen I have I still have my IMAX five hundred. I love the shape, and it's the same shape. So I will definitely have to pick one of these up to especially because it has the updated censor. I tried the there's nothing wrong with five hundred except for the fact that most of that soft touch plastic side of it is completely gone. But the sensors just so much slower than the ones I've gotten used to especially when you're higher resolution screens like all I moving to move the mouse across my mouth stat lift it place it on the other side move it again, all the way across the screen. Sometimes like, okay. Do you play on a freelancer? Just using high resolution screens for exciting things like creating charts. Yeah. But we can all agree rock what I said charge rock church. Don't get the reference, especially when you're measuring latency, and you've got shar charts has nine. Point two milliseconds. And then you've got nineteen point one down here. Jim could we get a visual on that? Somehow is that possible? The band of the year. One second you guys here. I'll switch to the multi feed you talk. Yeah. Let's not ever say that statistics lie or the charts can be misleading. I love I don't know what scale. Yeah. Come on jam. You can do it. Like, should we even name the outlet? I guess we should not you know, we're gonna name this album. Okay. I'm going to their website because this is not the only chart on their whoa. Some kind of issue. Pop-ups? Jim we talked about your browsing behavior ear walking our sites. Hang on. This is unfortunately, one of those sites. Need an adblocker for it is chugging. Tim here we go. Okay. This one's not so bad. But look at the scale on this GD effing chart latency Manno seconds nineteen point two nineteen point one. That those gains point one milliseconds. I just I sat here when I saw this. I couldn't tell if this was some sort of intentional meta humor commentary. I just don't. Even this one. There's actually of few you know, the difference. But not to that scale. The gotta set your minimum values and your charts. Folks. Is it just me or is the gradient background? They're using make it look like those are like convex like they're actually three-dimensional on the page a little bit just sleep deprivation. Yeah. Yeah. What we're off the rails. I don't know what we're doing right now. We're looking at charts on what was that website? Jim I closed it. I don't remember my memory no-one over that. We don't. We've saved them. Let's move on to what we've all been waiting for. I know back in January. I thought to myself Valentine's as right around the corner. And I don't have any gift ideas. But all I went from Josh is in videos Q four nearly fiscal year twenty nineteen financial results, which I think actually they had their caller in fort only nineteen wasn't it Valentine's Day, but they had their call. Was it the fifteenth? You know, one eighteen was a bit of a mixed bag for Invidia they'd grown their business quite a bit. I mean, it was significant they reached what three point one billion quarter at the highest. But then a couple of bad things happened one. Blockchain. Died. Badly. So that affected things Invidia not video but in intendo switch it started out with a bang and then. Has slowed down pretty dramatically autos. They'd been slowly building. And. Kind of took a small turn at the end of this year. So last quarter, they had what three point one billion in brevity and some insane amount of of of net income, I think in the seven hundred million range, it was it was it was impressive. They had a great quarter. It was probably the most that they had ever had Q of latest. I think they call Q forward twenty nineteen because their pull reporting thing is a little strange in how they recorded. They had two point two billion in revenue and drop pretty dramatically from the previous quarter in law that was from well it really multiple areas. Automo- automotive went down. They've had a whole lot more competition from AMD in terms of visualization, and you know, kind of the higher end computing. And their gaming with down. And we we kinda wonder why? And a lot of that may be and they haven't actually talked about this much the Arctic serious of not sold as much as as they were hoping they thought this was hey, this next generation of product. It's got a lot of extra features. We have a little bit extra performance versus the previous GT x ten series that whatever area, but. Boy, it was an interesting quarter their their margins took a huge dive from almo while sixty point four percent to fifty four point seven percent. That's pretty significant because the Arctic two thousand series is a much larger die than the GTS one thousand series that at kind of every step and sure as a consumer you pay a little bit more for the features and a little bit more for the extra performance at each step. But. We didn't see the kind of jumps that we've seen in the past from the seven hundred to the nine hundred series Knight to the thousand series. And I think a lot of people were expecting another big jump with the two thousand but we got. Something a little different. We got artifacts got machine learning deal s stuff like that takes up a lot of dice space, these dyes have become much larger. They're more expensive to produce. Even though that you know, now that are on the sixteen slash twelve nanometer process in the it's it's it's a more mature foundation. So they don't pay as much per waivers. They did back in the day when when sixty nanometer was initially released, but yeah, they're they're taking a small hit. They're still about double the the revenue of AMD, which Amdi is is selling not only Jeep us. But CPU's and not only us, but, but you know, high end CPU's that are in you know, workstations and servers and whatnot. And so the margins have improved that comes. But not to the point where they're at or even close to Invidia, the GPS were accounting for something like one point nine billion dollars in between professional and gaming GP's. The rest is automotive. Telegraph and some other products in there that got him up to two point two billion. There's just kind of luck going on. I mean, we kinda look at this. And we see our market. Drop a little bit. I mean AMD does not have anything that really competes. Well, I mean sure the radio seven is out, but it's in incredibly small numbers, and nobody can really get them. They're Palero stuff is couple years old. And even though they exist nicely in a price performance. 'em'll obe. They aren't really gaining whole lot of share. I think the area will they're actually gaining some share is in the professional space. There's some areas where the the Vegas seven or radio seven is I call it and the previous vague architectures, which are you know, the professional graphics. They're starting to eating little bit into what video has their whether Cuadra's and their Tesla's in these types of products because you know, math is math. And if he can throw a whole bunch of math at a problem in. And if you coat it while it's going to do. Well, it's going to do. Okay. And I think the price performance of of amd these higher end Vegas seven nanometer parts is probably eaten into a little bit of what invidious doing, but still Invidia very quarter there again, they're they're they're margins went down, but they still made money, and they still a lot of money, and this is money that they're going to reinvest in the company and and do things a little bit differently. Maybe try to push Artiach type stuff more. I don't know. You know, my my my feeling here is that RT ex. Features probably could have waited until they jumped to seven nanometer. But I think they wanted to be a little bit more proactive little bit more aggressive, especially with AMD not doing as well as they had hoped with the original Vega with with the Pereira series going to fourteen nanometer, and then jumping onto seven nanometer. I mean, they just haven't haven't really hither stride in terms of graphics. I mean, G C N CNN's Vega architecture just doesn't seem to scale up nearly as a fish unle is what videos able to do with their products. So it's going to be hard to say what happens I think in video continue to make money. They have a good product. But there isn't a whole lot of consumer excitement in the area that that is essentially the the meat and bones of of their business, which is gaming GP us. So you know, there are well run company. They typically learn from the mistakes, and I sure that they will recover from this eventually, but you know, they they have opened a window for amd e yet, sadly, Andy has no no product to really take advantage of this. So time being Invidia will still make money. They have good products are Teac is not as widely embraced as as they would obviously hope to be, but it's still a good product. And I think that we will see some things in the next couple of weeks that may change people's mind about certain price points. But until then, you know in videos making money, they've got good margins. They've had very successful years there two billion plus a quarter which is tremendous from where they were in where their competition is. And you know, we're going to see some interesting things in the future in hopefully in the near future. But who knows comments? I wish my mortar was that is winning. I'd be very very happy. If that was my quarter. Anything to try to? Spice up the GP landscape, maybe bolster their sales a little bit. Gosh. Those sales are. Make. The twenty sixty while a good product is still considered somewhat over priced for what you get and has somewhat unusable. RT ex features. The Archie ex part. There doesn't make sense you're running a really low resolution really good at six eighty. Deal assess. It has definitely shown that it needs work. They've they had a blog post. They came out address deal issues. I think kind of in the in the aftermath of some of the metro exodus stuff that was coming out. Like, the preview articles Thomson one. There was some other stuff out there. Whether they were showing screen shots deal. This is not fair as well in screen shots as it does in in motion the Port Royal benchmark is the one that had been like our initial exposure to deal assess see yes. And, but that's you know, that's a predefined canned benchmark where they were able to train the AI, and they probably who knows how much time they spent on that the scenes before we saw it looked great. But then these other games where you have more freedom of movement and a lot more variables obviously in a standard game its struggles. And we saw gains drop to from. Eighty percent with Royal to forty percents with battlefield and then down to up to thirty percents with metro exodus. But then they're the image appears to be notably softer less sharpness that sort of thing. So they said more time, obviously it needs to be. It's like a. Training issue at this point. I guess so we'll see. But like Josh was saying earlier this feels like it's acknowledgee that did not need to come out yet. It's interesting. But I my own thinking is and if they appointed if they hired me, and I was in charge of their products. I would say stay the course GT x released new GT experts that are faster do those year-over-year gains and stay. I mean, I guess I don't know where I'd be if I was actually inside of video with pricing. But I as a consumer and is somebody who watches is industry. I'm a very hard time with the current pricing of cards which have if crept up over time, but five hundred was about as high as I would ever want to go with a GPO. And then now, we're. Up to seven hundred dollars for what would have been last year like the five hundred dollar card, essentially, this is kind of where the branding problem is that makes any sense the RT X is a brand like the two thousand or the the. Yeah. The two thousand is the series are checks, the branding. But they don't they don't append like the that designation to the end of the series anymore like did with the eight hundred GT GT X ultra. So now, we have these two thousand series cards that are six ninety nine and nine ninety nine for the twenty in the twenty eight TI, which is just it's incredible. Especially when you look at what you were getting with pass cow, which is almost two years old. Now, we're actually is two years old. Now, I was looking at the old like GT x twenty seventy review the other day that was like may of two thousand sixteen and that. Is a card that all the way in January of twenty nineteen. We finally get to the point where three hundred and fifty dollar card. The the RT x twenty sixty comes out. And it clips is the twenty of ten seventy and basically ties the twenty the ten seventy TI, but it's been like a year and a half going on two years to get to that point and three fifty three fifty. I still think it's pretty fair for the performance you're getting if you think of it as the ten seventy I but at the same time, I totally get the argument that is it's too just too expensive this across the board. And like Josh saying RT TX features on the twenty sixty don't really make sense. So then this really just deal s at that point. You know, the deal just so weird. They're stack. I mean, I understand, you know, their spend more on Bill materials. I mean, the the the die sizes are bloated as compared to the PASCAL stuff. I mean, you you do get the increase in performance. And so, you know, a twenty eighty kind of performs like a ten eighty TI but use still pay as much for that. I mean, the the twenty seventy. Clips is the ten eighty. But it you still pay as much it's not like previously where we saw the the nine seventy was introduced like four ninety nine. And then it dropped down to you know, to ninety nine eventually, and then the ten seventy came out and it in a clip Sgt. The performance of the nine seventy by a significant degree, but didn't break five hundred bucks while initially because you know, blockchain wasn't taken into nearly as account as as it was. But you know, you could initially get those for not a whole lot more than a decked-out nine seventy and you get a big jump in performance. Not so much features. But performance, you got double the memory. You got you know, went from a nine seventy four gigs and the ad ten seventy gigs. And you didn't have the crazy nine seventy memory controller thing that you know, fractional is one off and and you had shared memory bandwidth for last you know, what to five hundred Meg slots. I I can't remember all of it. But it's just yeah. It's it's so strange to look at how they marketed nine-under stand from just dice and cost. But still. A lot of people look at this and say, there's there's no compelling reason for me to upgrade to spend two hundred dollars to get these artifacts features that may or may not. Really improve my experience certainly will not improve my performance. Right. Stay with my I ten seventy my ten sixty and I'll get ninety ninety five percent of what I'm seeing here. And I don't see a reason to upgrade. That's, you know, get me wrong. I love technology at love to see it. But I'm not made of money. So I'm not going to get a twenty eighty TI for twelve hundred bucks at just as. That's a house payment for a lot of people. And they're not gonna do. It was PASCAL too. Good for two thousand sixteen. I mean, that's ridiculous question. I actually pose this to you earlier in the week. Josh, it's like, no, I don't think it was go ahead. I'm just saying like if they were sitting on something that was such a massive go from nine hundred series to the to the ten series, huge games. Like, PASCAL said another league, and especially in ten seventy the ten seventy three twenty nine I believe somewhere around there. That's just nuts for the performance. You get from ten seventy which even today is still kind of a benchmark for the for especially for that price range. I would not say that it was too good for the time. I think the focus Invidia. There are a little too aggressive with the LS s the machine learning stuff and RT X because if they have taken what they learned from past gal and applied that to the new design rules that kind of you know, compress but still allows good performance in terms of dice and whatnot and gone to the new twelve nanometer stuff allowed to achieve better performance done. Some of the internal things that they did with with the RT X chips in terms of just the DAX eleven d x twelve performance and the shakers rast rise without going into our TX Ray, tracing and machine learning they would have had another massively in performance with new GDR six memory. But it didn't go that way. They kinda threw in the kitchen sink with Artie axe at a spot where they sacrificed too much dice space in terms of performance, and and thermals to really get that jump that. We had been expected from these seven hundred series of the nine hundred series to the thousand series, and it just kinda stalled out because they added everything that I mean seriously kitchen sink to the sheep you, and yeah, you've got a little bit better performance in terms of the regular kind of rendering stuff the x eleven DX twelve but you throw our TX in their your performance kinda goes crap. Even though you get some limited Ray, tracing type stuff in some interesting lying effects with applications that actually support it which there are. Two. It's not very compelling. We could talk about this all night all night, and my harebrained ideas about them being slaughtered. I mean, PASCAL, they really sit and it was great, and it sold incredibly well in its I mean, look at the steam harbor survey charts like that's still a big part of the top ten top fifteen and for a lot of people. That's good enough. As the problem like is like it was like DVD you went from broadcasts like standard def to HD that was a big jump and to to go from HD two four K. Like, there's some people just don't see it or they just don't care. It was like going from VHS a DVD. Once people saw that they didn't care about Blu Ray used to work in retail in electron IX and people did not care about Blu-ray. And when Blu Ray came out and movie studio switching over to Blu Ray. There was a lot of outrage if you look at those multi packs the DVD. And Blu-ray those the things I could sell people like it's the only way you're gonna be able to get the DVD. They would pay thirty dollars for the Blu Ray DVD digital copy set with a he'd bought the blue Ray alone for like eighteen did not care. They would not buy a hundred dollar Blu Ray player because it just considerations. Specially early Blu rays. No. If I mean, I remember watching the. What the star the prequels on? It's always prequels, and the they're rarely bluer colors just popped oddly because it was so hyper realistic that just would look very out of place. If you compare that to the DVD resolution was far away better, but the colors the colors, all that just hopped oddly, you know, so ballot four K. I mean, it it just the colors little weird. It was like they were almost it was almost a hyper realistic look at it. You know? I I don't remember. I mean, but that was very early. Louis again, four K to four K four by self crap you really need to get your into. But again, unless you have something, you know, if you run if you only run ten eighty p which most casts are nowadays, you're not gonna notice anything you have to get a good movie, really see four k with the issue our differences. Yeah. I fear that we are drifting way or. Yeah. You're right way. Way off do we have time for any more news? We had a couple more stories here. I mean, we would be remiss if we didn't mention the biggest the biggest news of the day as we record this on February twenty a day that will be long remembered as Samsung is finally filled the dream of dozens of people and they have announced their foldable phone. It's the dream like, you know, back in the Microsoft courier days of the two thousand eight two thousand ten years, and then subsequently the Microsoft and drama rumored dual screen folding device. But yes galaxy fulled available April twenty six you can actually see. See you can't even see the line in the middle. At least. It's. Yes. It's two thousand dollars. I mean. Yeah. But yeah, that's expensive at half price. Screen for three times as much money the galaxy fold and I've got a closed the verge tab here because this just destroying my browser. Talking about over engineering website designed by God. To the best and you need to leave him alone. To sue me. Yeah. You're this. This video on YouTube is actually gonna get slander, sir. You were slandering our site loss showing our sites that's not fair use that's unfair use. Oh, and the other sort of mainstream news of the week besides the Samsung phone order now. Available April twenty six just nineteen hundred ninety dollars is that Google. Jeremy you posted this. Another sort of embarrassing security related gaffe for the masters of basing security law. I mean Facebook to Google what what is Google done? Now. Well, I mean, they totally meant to tell you about the secret microphone in the nest secure home security system, they just instantly forgot it. It was a complete and total oversight. Although to be perfectly fair every other buddy device that you order that's a nest has of microphone in it. So maybe should have assumed. But the way that they did it was just brilliantly because they just sort of sent an Email to the owners of the that secure saying, oh, by the way, we're going to be a neighbouring the microphone inside of your device soon. To which everyone went the who in the what? Now, are you saying? And Google, of course, is like well trust us. We totally haven't turned it on. And we not recording stuff. It's going on around you through that microphone the other ones. I mean. Well, that's it's okay. So it's it's just ridiculously bad way of of rolling out a feature and disclosing that you've put something in the it didn't bother dimension and incredibly creepy response after people were understandably upset, but I mean, we're talking about the same buddy day that Nikki shoes turned into bricks. So I and I am going to say it's the internet shit, and you're going to have to get used to it. It is completely unsecure. It is never going to be updated. And chances are it is spying on you in ways. You're not even imagining. If you're okay with that, go out and buy it. Because even like the thing that's just sensors to say a window is open or closed or a door is open or closed while the base station. It's it's going to be recording. And it's probably gonna be uploading it to your Samsung TV, which is an upload it to social media and so on and so forth, but it's the converged world. So. Learn to love it. I guess came you, but stays you. I keep coming back to this mean whenever stories like this happen. It's perfect for those on the audio version. It's you've probably seen this wedding around read into eter. It's a scene from the sixties as people in the sixties. I better not say that the government will wiretap my house people say that shows young women in our kitchen saying, hey, wiretapped, you got a recipe for pancakes. It's so true because they don't care. I talk about security and privacy related issues with people that I know, and I think below a certain age, they don't really understand what you're saying. Or don't care because the convenience of being connected, and and. Basically having like targeted advertising and all the other stuff that you get because you're being tracked everywhere you go online. That's cool. Like, this is so look that thing I was just talking about with my friend. I just got an ad for on my watch like because it's listening to you. But the flip side, which is going to be very entertaining. And I think the next five to ten years member. Ma don't tell people about that. It's embarrassing will now they're not telling their neighbor, their friend. They've actually posted that Facebook and every other social media site since you were born poor little Prague. And by the time you hit teens you're gonna realize that everything is already there, and you can't get rid of it. So just you know, good luck with that kid. How fun. This is why I recommend using windows. Three point one. And not for Workgroups just offline never connect to the internet and just play games. Well, today, she could probably use it online because it's so old that hackers wouldn't even have the stuff to be able to crack it anymore. They've got rid of all those tools years ago. I don't think it even has TCP IP. No may be net. Bios only. Yeah. I don't know. When was wasn't didn't NT four those for Workgroups. I think well at least the consumer sorry down one three don't wanna thought was maybe three that was three eleven to anti four. Was three eleven remember anyway with four twenty five years ago. Twenty five I was in college twenty. No, I think it was. Yeah. Nineteen ninety four nineteen ninety to ninety four when. Three point one for Workgroups three one one. And it was just moving along just three one from ninety two anyhow, I think that pretty much covers there's a couple of other things, but we're running very long here. I think so let's move on quickly cover our picks of the week. And looks like we all have one, Jim. All right. Well, actually, I two one real quick. I've got to the the show notes. And that is something pretty cool. I got an Email from a reader listener named Sean who since the summer has been indexing are podcasts at the TV db. If you're not familiar, this is a it's a community where people track television shows and season's episodes. And so he went in and indexed our podcast, and it's got all the episodes. So if you were. To download our podcast to plex or any other media manager that uses the TV it'll match and pull their Bill. I was there. Don't do it to God. Though. Delete tragic educational purposes. But so thank you, Sean. That's awesome. And he says he's going to maintain it going forward. So that's great. So for the poor fools who choose to bring us into your media servers. You'll have some meta data for at least. And then my second pick. Is a podcast that I've been listening to for years. And I realized I never really talked about it in this context with you guys much. Sure this audience knows about it. But it's the HDTV in home theater podcast. It's a casual podcast. These guys aren't like hardcore experts. They're like fousiya STS and they've been doing it for fifteen years or something like that pursued eight hundred eighty three it's a once a week show, and they're eight hundred and eighty three episode and episodes in and it's a weekly rundown to the news, the, you know, developments in home theater, tack audio Kodak's new TV format streaming, and it's a nice casual thirty to forty minutes show each week and of the hosts are and Brayden are good guys. So you're looking for like a nice casual podcast to get you a little bit of your home theater fix. Check it out on itunes. It's the HD TV and home theater podcast. Who's next is it Jeremy? Sure, why not. A you got to get in the house or you're just you know, sort of clumsy yourself, and so you go through a fair number of mice keyboards headsets. Well, there's a great deal on the Canadian new excite right now. The gamma Diaz Poseidon and one combo which after the mail in rebate is twenty bucks, and you're gonna mouse headset, and you get a keyboard that will survive a couple of moderate spills. So instead of handing your kids hand me downs. Or just, you know, here's the keyboard. I know you're just about killed dead. This is actually the last little bit at twenty bucks. It's just a stupidly easy by it's not going to be the best. But it's got the urge B's. It's it's got the sexy had set or I'm sorry. It's called the euro's. As I said, the keyboard is designed to take a couple of spills before it finally dies. It's worth it. If you've got a relative, if you've got kids or like, you say if if you just sometimes spill your beer. So there it reminds me of I think it was last week L GR's video was about what this kid friendly keyboard from the mid nineteen nineties, and he was like smearing peanut butter on it and dumping milk on while he was playing Duke nukem three d didn't quit working because it was basically just one of those like strips like those rollout, flat keyboards membrane keyboards, but it was like attached to a plastic base. But those things are dreadful the type on, but that seems like. The answer. I would not give my son a keyboard right now he is very excited by any RGB lighting on keyboards though. I will say, and he goes up to what does he like painter's tape on keyboards? Inside joke. Everyone. It refers to you know, my inventive creative methods of repairing toys, which for various reasons. Ended up in blue painter's tape with the starship enterprise, whatever happened to the equivalent of that plastic wrap on coaches east to get for Hebrew words. That was just. Fellows who sold all that stuff? Like the the monitor one. There was one if your keyboard, and there was one for your tower, which makes a lot of sense. Like, you wanna you know, just your opinion four and just shove this thing down over it. Nice airtight it'll melt of hole where it needs. True. It's true. You guys remember when a non tech wrapped their test systems in Saran wrap to stop airflow. No, why would they do the for testing? Okay. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Then he pulled into the allies that airflow was there for reason because you put power into it heat is going to accumulate. So anyway. Yeah, it was that was. Holing the heat sink off of CPA to see if they've got fire or not. Yes. Anyway. I guess it's me. Unless Jeremy did you not? Josh. Reveal yourself. All josh. It's you too. Oh, it's proving he's still had some change the rating on the stream hang on K. Anyway. I've got the hiring gaming version of this monitor. But if you don't wanna pay that much and still get I think seventy five hurts. If you're attached display poured. This is a nice monitor for good price. Six hundred bucks. Thirty four inch toy owned by nine nineteen hundred curve. I've really enjoyed this in in the alienware version pretty much Saint paddle fantastic. If you want wide screen, if you wanna do raising if you wanna do sim games anything. It's a really nice deal for a really good looking monitor. So they have six hundred bucks. Still a lot. Do your shopping. But it's nice. That's almost three feet wide isn't a. That's a very wide. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Name of. You're really really worries me what panda power. I was not expecting this. I actually forgotten that they sent stuff, but showy tack their brand on Amazon that actually bought I bought USB type c cables from them and didn't really think anything of it. The company reached out to me a while back now and asked about like reviewing some of their stuff, and I'm like, oh, okay. I kind of looked over their product catalog on one of the things was like, oh, hey, you selling a really inexpensive charging pad a wireless charging, Pat. I should see if it's any good. So it's been sitting here for a while. Finally, took it out of the packaging like two days ago and plug it in and through my phone down on it works, fine, seven and a half watt fast charging wireless pad in on Amazon. If you look these up they start I think this is pretty much the lowest price point, this particular one that they sent was fifteen dollars seems completely. Find doesn't come with a data or anything to supply your own USB power to the wall. But if you plug your phone charger into this than through your phone on it charges reasonably fast, like this is kind of like the same as plugging until a USB port in your computer. It's not crazy fast. I think most phones now was higher in phones have fast charging, Qualcomm quick charge. Or obviously, this would not work with iphones fast charging. It's like you have to use Apple's after an apples cable, but anyhow for for a cheap wireless charging pad. That uses the standard wireless charting, the Chee. Charging standard. This gets the job done in his fifteen dollars and the one I have has a panda on it. So if you're into pant is there's a non panda version. I see on Amazon as well as twenty dollars. So I mean, obviously go with the panda. That's all I got Maury that you have a pick. So when you SP three dot one for you know, when you speak three don't want. I challenge ahead was especially with the motherboard reviews was finding some kind of enclosure dapper that would perform better than SP three auto because if you're testing three dot one you can't max out or can't get faster than. Five hundred megabyte or second or gig per second. You know, you're not really you're not. You're not really able to show how you know, how how well forms the enclosure that that Jim should be showing you the. The my digital assist m m two X actually takes a. MVM N B M E dot to drive, and will you know? Allows us it over USB three dot one either type c type bay port or a USB threat auto even USB to choose. It only works. Well, actually. We'll take the problem with the early came out tried many many many closures, and this is the only one I found it really works previously. They they had enclosures like this. But there were only compatible with. PCI X two courts the X two two guards. If you put next four air wouldn't work is you have to be in the key. This one is actually in an MD type signs. We'll work with a PCI x four to drive. It works. Really? Well, I have not had started using it past couple motherboard reviews have no issues with it. It comes with both a as I said, a type c cable any type AAC able so. Yeah. And just works. Really? Well, and it's nice. If you have a. If you upgraded computer every once in a while you have spare MBM to drive in us this Evans, very fast portable solution. So nice. It really would have been the first thing that could've used a sex part. Coulda minutes outta export. Oh, yeah. I know. The first and only referral. Hey, it's a valid standard to you know, like you've got to look at all the products that are out there. So glad it's a feature of. Looking for. Yeah. All right. Well, everyone thank you for watching or listening to us. We do this every week. Like, I said at the top that was like two hours ago, we've been podcasting for very long time. It is almost midnight here in the eastern time zone, and I should probably go to bed, but you can catch us PC dot com. You can follow us on Twitter if you'd like obviously at Josh de Wallraff if you want a burger updates every Wednesday. What kind of burger did you have today, by the way? Josh. The muted again them unit heroes burger. The Greek burger it was half lamb half beef burger with sticky sauce, red onions tomatoes Shibata bun. Was fed on it. Olives. No that that kind of. Does this? This is more like almost like a what is it a hero? In a burqa. Hero burger. Okay. Well, it's I will say for for everyone Josh wants to do a mail bag. So because we haven't done those since the we need to come up with a name for the exodus the events that transpired at the end of the year last year, the the well, it was a different dynasty. It was the under the NC records. Bye. Rain Shrout dynasty dynasty has ended the end of this route dynasty. We just haven't gotten around to the mail bags because we've been trying to get new things going, but we want to get that backup. Josh wants to do on the next week. So if you have questions for Josh. I'm sorry. Maybe we can just say it's now is done bowl. Not constantinople. Perhaps. Digital meaning to that. I don't want to be associated with. But. If you have questions for Josh send him tweets and the tweets a PC per hop in our discord server the link is while put in the show this episode. It's it's in our chat as well. Get the questions to us, Email whatever and we'll have Josh get those for you next Friday. I do have to say north ranger in the chat, the excommunication. That's what it was. You if he can do a Photoshop of that that would be fantastic. Yes. And we can finally see you when you're done nuns. Yes, I need Josh as a nun this needs to happen. It would be so easy. Okay. Maybe we could do the flying nun. Sure. But at all for sure. Yeah. Okay. Josh done. I mean so fields pretty hot for while. She was. Yeah. Yeah. She is. Yeah. Under that. Don't judge. It'd be. Yeah. They'll judgments anyway, free podcast. Josh that we do that onto someone said, Josh Wik. Ooh. You can move that fast. I don't think Kiana can move that fast ultra photographer. Josh, josh. Shooting. I would I would I would mess people up if they messed with my dog. Yeah. That's. Yeah. Did I did? I did you actually. Yeah. Love of God. Thanks for watching listening, or I could also say see you next week or just goodbye.

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TWiCH 505: One Fat Phone, 7/7 Ryzen Rumors, & What is NVIDIA?

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TWiCH 505: One Fat Phone, 7/7 Ryzen Rumors, & What is NVIDIA?

"Coming up on this week in computer hardware and VDI sixteen. Sixty might be a thing. Samsung's. Galaxy full too stupid expensive rise at three thousand coming seven seven new Intel Pentiums and more all coming up next on twitch. From people you trust. This is tweet. This is twitch this week in computer hardware, episode five hundred five reported on February twenty first twenty nineteen one fat phone seven seven rise in rumors, and what is Invidia this episode of this week in computer hardware is brought to you by on deck. Are you a small business owner Anita capital today while on deck and help with over ten billion dollars in loans at eight plus rating from the Better Business Bureau on deck is a lender you can trust? Find out more at on-deck dot com slash twitch welcomed the twits this week in computer hardware. Twits weekly show that aims to bring new hardware. News people. We got news. We got reviews. We got excitement we got mayhem. And yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Pentium lives on Amdi rise in. We got a possible release date and ponies but right now, ladies and gentlemen. Let me introduce the mightiest hardware testing show. Pony of the ball Sebastian peak PC per RA, sir. I'm good. How are you? I was laughing. We were talking about a fading earlier, you know, by the time people are he airing our dulcet tones on this podcast or watching the delightful charming expressions. We make on the video there will be a review posted at PC per dot com. That you cannot discuss I might suggest that Harto C P certain vulgarity and websites are she's certain Bulgarian video channels and various other sources are convinced that GT sixteen sixty t I will be selling for two hundred seventy nine dollars, or at least will be announced as of Friday, February twenty-second twenty nineteen. Because you may or may not be reviewing a product from NVIDIA that may or may not be something that is similar to that device. I won't get into that. But it's pretty crazy hardship. He's got a big article up on PC world Porgera apparently, either barked the release date or Bork to the settings to upload but posted video of an MSI that appears to be a GTS branded sixteen sixty no RT cores. No tensor cords, millimeter say that cores not chords because we're not talking about jackets or pants. The three display port one point four connection a single AC my to put OB connection. No virtual no DVD slash d eight pin PCI express cable for power and some pretty good specs on that. The thing that kind of caught my eyeballs was something that is actually up on a earlier PC per article. Which showed an anonymous benchmark and from an unknown sixteen sixty I in an unknown state, but I was just kind of blown away. Now, I don't really think a lot about final fantasy fifteen. Assuming its final fantasy fifteen that was breeded on the on. But you can just barely see down there in the middle is an Invidia deforest team, sixty TI. You know with a score of five thousand nestled in between a t t x ten seventy and a GT X titan acts at five thousand twenty five which is a nice way of saying damn that is fast card in damn. I hope nobody listening bought a titan accent is now looking at their card as being in certain situations, the equivalent of a two hundred seventy nine dollar GPU also within striking distance of a radio on seven and ten will add. Yeah. I mean as we were talking about last week drivers and and application modifications are -application tuning and driver tuning is critical for performance. But I mean, GT extent seventy t- is is maybe ten twelve percent faster t t x ten eighty is about twenty twenty two percent faster, a twenty seventy well that's about fifty percent faster. But. Usually absent from this graph is unless I'm missing it an RT x twenty sixty I was thought which the graphics card, obviously released in January that they they actually brought out during CAS, and by will appoint also of this is final fantasy fifteen final fancy fifteen is not kind to AMD cards, and if you run in its in any kind of custom settings with the video game works optimizations, the the different features enabled it punishes. I mean like to the point where Vegas sixty four I've seen it chugging along at about five or six frames per second at times. Ouch. So it even though it will hit, you know, some really nice high Bs marks the the spikes in frame times are so bad with those features enabled with MD cards that it's really not usable benchmark. So I have to when I I'm still using it for the time being, but I have to run it at its standard. Preset which disables by as far as I know any of the game works stuff, but it's still very highly kind of Invidia optimized, so it's kind of funny. I'm looking at that chart. I'm seeing this card that you speak of that. I I have never heard of that. I've never heard of the NVIDIA company. Anyhow, this AMD radio on seven at only fifty three hundred points, lagging by ten seventy doesn't make any sense. I question everything I questioned the validity of this chart. I questioned my presence on this podcast question. Life itself. Wow. Very special existential edition of this week in computer hardware, we debate some of the principal. Questions that affects mankind since people really began getting into philosophy as an art and science. In the meantime, does the world need a two thousand dollar phone. I kid the galaxy fold Samsung Samsung is going to sell that for one thousand nine hundred eighty dollars. I I'm gonna pull a quote here. A lot Sav at the verge. He says the galaxy fold is Samsung's Google glass in exciting technical showcase. It is hitting the market too soon and makes no sense as a consumer device yet. So essentially, this is a two thousand dollar phone, and it folds kids. It's also running a seven nanometer call come processor twelve gigabytes Aram six cameras that display. I find kind of fascinating four point six inches. Folded they call the Infinity flex display some point three inches unfolded. Now while you're saying, but I can buy a six point something inch galaxy S ten yes, you can. But it's not, you know, kind of square ish or, you know, really big, and it doesn't fold three multitasking feature. They built into their version of Android coming out, April six AT and T mobile with a free pair of Samsung wireless ear buds, which hopefully sound better than Samsung's. Well, any number of of wireless ear buds, we've heard over the last few months right there. If you're watching the video you're seeing two thirds of the screen being one app, and then a smaller sort of third one third of the strain furtively divided into two digital apps. People are either fascinated by this and delighted by this or just in full WTI f- bowed, you know, because I most of the experiences I've had a lot of people talk to with multitasking an Android have been mixed. I'm kind of really curious though to see who buys his well. Okay. Early. Adopters are going to buy a pain tolerance early adopters are going to buy it Samsung enthusiast you're gonna buy it. It's I would love to read web pages and other things on that big wide screen, and it certainly would be interesting for gaming as far as nobody has a, you know, pixels per inch counts or an actual resolution on this yet. If you go to Samsung dot com slash global slash galaxy slash galaxy feld you get a picture of the phone, and you get a link to a video and an alarming lack of detail what powering it, but I feel safe in saying that it will have a flagship processor from Kuala cards. It's going to need it. If if it has any kind of pixel density at all I cannot imagine what kind of resolution, and we're talking about here. Five k seven k right? Maybe it'll be a little bit later on the pixels. Or it will be an interesting. Piece of artwork that won't bigger us. I very interested in knowing what the life expectancy of the panel is how many times can you open and close this phone. Mike. What's the Germany of that that folding display right in the center or all the stresses? Oh, look at that sort of screen on the back there. There's I don't know. He's here screens all over this thing. Yes. It looks like a giant cigar or small actually maybe a cigarillo and not a cigar case when it's closed. The camera situation is completely outrageous. The thing it was those interesting for me that came out of the the big announcement. From Samsung yesterday is calcium tennis ten plus including Qualcomm 's ultrasonic, fingerprint scanners, so the big beautiful screen, and they're literally bouncing sound against your fingerprints or saying something like, you know, to a depth of four millimeters doesn't care about moisture doesn't care about lotion. It's extremely difficult to spoof certainly not with a picture of a fingerprint. I think risk canning is done from these Samsung perspective, but I I'm just I'm really like the idea of having sort of sub screen fingerprint scanning, I don't think it's going to do anything for the ability to repair these phones or the cost of repairing these phones at least. Not until this becomes more common. But it's interesting stuff. Yeah. And there's been a lot of attempts. I think over the years at creating in cell fingerprint readers, I think it was the iphone five that was the first one actually put touch within like the matrix of the LCD display, and that I don't know if that was a precursor or what? But they had figured out basically, how to have the to coexist and have touch actually work even though with some iphone five screens, you could like go quickly diagnosed with your finger and actually get the screen to freeze right as it was trying to accept input and display at the same time. But getting touched to work on a screen has been problematic in apple famously, remove the fingerprint breeder from their iphone ten and now the tennis ten are cetera. And samsung. Has an advantage if they're providing fingerprint reading, obviously if a couple of different options here one within the display, and I think that was something that synoptic had been working on for a couple of years. And then this this ultra sonic. That's a different kind of technologies. Interesting how they've implemented it so there's a lot of cool tech year. Obviously Samsung tends to just over deliver on features that people may or may not ever use. But they generate a lot of excitement for new products. And this thing is the folding phone, especially like the rest of the phone lineup is kind of your traditional upgrade, not a refresh. This time we have new designs, but they are kind of more of the same like, you know, your typical form factor of a device and better camera and faster processors, and that sort of thing, but we we've been sort of. Teased with one of these folding devices since well for a long time. But I'm thinking back to the Microsoft courier in like two thousand eight to two thousand ten timeframe which was like shown, but may or may not have been render, and then it was canceled a couple of years later. And now there's all the rumors swirling that I've been seeing the last two months about s-, a Microsoft and drama device, which is another folding concept. And now here's Samsung is stealing their everybody's thunder with the device, which is apparently available in April. Even though they don't even have specifications listed on the sites. Maybe I I would have to believe it's going to be a very limited production. If they don't have final specs yet or haven't quite nailed down, the final design, perhaps or they just have prototypes that they were not letting I believe I read that they were not letting the press turn the device on they had a closed-door kind of like briefing and hands on with it for media. Am WC. So. But hey, it's only it's only nineteen hundred eighty dollars all these. Everybody's saying it's two thousand dollars come on. It's not two thousand dollars. It's one thousand nine hundred eighty dollars four taxes. Yeah. So in fact, it's quite a bit more than two thousand dollars unless you live in states that don't charge sales tax like Montana, and there's one other Sebastian. I'm curious are are you a smartwatch? Where're you still excited about the whole concept of wearables? Not me personally. I haven't worn to watch. And so long that I was like tempted by some of the watches like Samsung has a bunch obviously pebble was big for a while apple watch thing. But I haven't reconciled myself to this idea that I need something on my wrist. When I have my phone in my pocket, all the time. But they're they're interesting, especially the health aspects like the apple watch the EKG thing, why did Samsung have a new smart device as well as all of their phones. Well, one of the announcement came out yesterday along with the phones was some new while I guess the galaxy walks active in galaxy fit wearables becoming. But it's so convenient that you mentioned the health aspects because they're saying that a research app, I'm going to quote venture beat here. That's the article you're looking at right after watching the video research ABC called my BP lab will be released on March fifteenth, adding blood. Scher monitoring in beta form for the US you can make Canada Singapore. Australia and Germany now there are optical sensors on galaxy S nine note nine phones on the Android app version of it. But I'm I'm kind of really curious to see how that that works out fairly powerful been a hardware inside of this. It's like a one point one inch screen. No Bevill two buttons do the controls. What like a one point one? It's touch screen X knows ninety one one ten running at one point one five gigahertz with four gigabytes of storage and seven hundred sixty eight megabytes of ram. So I'm I'm curious to see how that does. And it's going to be about two hundred dollars, which is a huge huge drop in price from the galaxy watch which is still around three hundred fifty dollars depending on what you're looking for. So, you know. I'm curious to see where this goes most curious to see if the blood pressure monitoring works, particularly well, so. Yes. Price. Like, I would expect to see a lot more of these on people's wrists that two hundred dollars, especially considering how popular Samsung phones are like on the Android side. That's right. That's pretty much it here. Anyway, here in the US. On. I also wonder if people are a little after pebble and some of the other stuff if people are a little our little uptight about vesting in wearables at this point. But also love the fact is essentially an open source community developing on pebble, but I won't go down that particular rat hole at the moment. The the phone is charging the watch that must be this reverse wireless charging I heard about with a new phone. You can set your watch on the back of your own to charge your watch, which will theoretically deplete your phone battery. So then you'll have to devices with about fifty percent power that rely on each other. Let's nice. It's like symbiosis. You're just not buying into that at any level. Oh, I know we should move on before. I I dig my name CPU's. Because there aren't enough core. I three core. I five core. I seven core I nine and various other processors from Intel the the Pentium lives on and the seller on leaves on in the Intel state. Thank you. Thank you Intel. The names. Well, you know, there's brand equity, and they just don't want to let it go. So Pentium gold the g fifty six twenty it's going to be I four gigahertz Pentium. Tom's hardware did a big write up on this quote. The other processor listed include the g fifty four twenty the g fifty six hundred t the seller on g forty nine fifty the seller on forty nine thirty and the teller on g forty nine thirty t. You know, the top couple three models of this are two core. Four thread parts and licencee the the Pentium the g series stuff and the seller on or running two threads or two cores two threads. These are not going to be powerful machines. These are not going to be particularly delightful experiences. If you keep more than one app open inside of windows ten, but you know, it'll be interesting to see what these end up in. Whether they are primary little tiny boxes for kiosks with their showing up in low end entry level windows machines, nine to five MAC did great right up on on the average four G Jon load speed as you know, is it also actually before we leave. I should also point out. We have seen some of the pentium-class processors, especially for games that don't require a ton of CPU. The incredible bargains for gaming, I think we're kind of. Near the end of those days, but we should wait until people get benchmarks and pause on those parts before I so cruelly dismissed them. But we don't know pricing yet because it hasn't been officially announced these were early listings on European retail sites. It is I when I was looking at the store yesterday had to find out how much the original Pentium was like what the specs were how much it costs. And I found an old L A times article archived from nineteen Ninety-three that was talking about. How nineteen Ninety-four is going to be the year where CPU components drop, and they were showing all these huge price reductions like one hundred dollars like, well, what were they the Pentium? The original Pentium was a sixty megahertz processor six zero go on. Eight hundred seventy eight dollars and that was the one thousand unit price, and if you needed the extra six megahertz who get the sixty six megahertz version for nine hundred sixty four dollars. So I am guessing that this four gigahertz penny of gold will be less than eight hundred seventy eight dollars. Well, then you have to adjust it for inflation. If you wanna get really scared. But no, I I was I was there for the launch of sixty Hertz Pentiums and some older parts. They were amazing at the time. I I am curious seriously. I'm kind of curious with performances like because there are situations where maybe you know, it is a a simple machine or doing some basic stuff were a part like that as quickly effective or the or if the price is cheap enough. I was kind of. Shocked open signal if not from there with them is a group that runs. Essentially, they do real world measurements like run off of phones. And then they do scientific analysis, and they look at the performance and availability of of mobile service around the globe. And one of the things we do is released a report, and that if I MAC has nice summary of what's going on Michael potok did that one US average four G Jon load speed ranked forty seventh among forty seven countries in large scale study. So as you're thinking about the slow gradual evolution to five G. No that we have lots of room for improvement. But if you look at this right, South Korea, Switzerland Netherlands, poor Denmark, Australia all averaging above fifty megabits at the fastest hour of the day. The average of those top six countries is between thirty five point seven and forty seven point one megabits per second. Things starts to drop off. But it's really kind of amazing just understand how much slower we are an admittedly right infrastructure. Is difficult in the United States because it's a big country. You know, we have lots of competing cellphones services. We have some interesting history in the way, bam with with allocated that gives certain carriers advantages in certain areas over others in in terms of performance, but you know, covering Colombia or Kuwait while certainly challenging is not as difficult as covering the entire continental United States. Now that said, you know, it's really really hard to cover China or Russia. Because he's are large large countries with, you know, tremendous distances to cover and tremendous tremendous geographic issues, and you know, Serbia Croatia Ostra Swail, and I'm looking for China and Russia on this chart, and I'm failing miserably, which means they must be below the United States in performance or not on here whatsoever. And it looks like neither of those two are on. Yeah. I'm looking to that's classified information. It may will be, but you know, for most what people do on phones AT megabits per second. Or I should say, you know, eighteen to twenty eight megabits per second is more than adequate, and, you know, vastly more than you need even to stream four and real time, which hopefully you're not doing on your phone because even if you have a four K screen. It's too tiny for you to make out the resolution, but it will be I will be curious to see where this is what this looks like as the five. G rolls outs probably enforced by twenty twenty and whether or not it matters much in terms of performance, but you know for people who were like four G five G speed. Screw four g it's really not about overall. You know, five G will deliver more bandwidth to individuals, but it's much more interesting in terms of what it's doing or what it promises to do in having more band with available to more people simultaneously through change network functions. And, you know, bringing the network to everywhere, and it's it's kind of crazy because when you look at for example, you know, the the Samsung galaxy S ten five G which is coming out late compared to the other phone is not going to show up until June. You know, it's got a sport millimeter wave which is like twenty eight gigahertz and thirty nine gigahertz subject six. Hurts five g frequencies, and what was interesting about that is win. Samsung made the announcement the performance of that phone like two gigabits per second. Download the hundred fifty megabits per second. I want to say uploads, it's essentially the same specs they promise for four g phones. So I'm curious like restrictions are at the processor. You know, if they just don't want to deal with. Pardon me, if they don't wanna deal with promising performance that you have on the network yet. But you know, it's you know, we could do better in terms of overall network performance, and that said, you know, worldwide, but the truth is is most of the performance. Most of us have is better than we need on most day to day applications, I think. Looking. Not surprised at all to see that South Korea was on top. And it reminded me that years ago. There's a guy named Bryan clue who works at apple now. But he was senior smartphone editor for a non tech for a few years is probably the best in the business. And he I remember him talking about coming back from South Korea. He had gone there for a leaves the Samsung event, and he said that just it was the absolute best cell phone reception and speed ever had. But there were towers everywhere that the infrastructure within buildings was like he was in an elevator and head service like up and down every elevator. Because they were a little like microcells everywhere. Like, they take it very seriously. And I mean looking at the chart their average speed is forty seven point one, which is pretty close to their max of fifty five point seven, which is the fastest hour of the day speed. So they're on top at both categories. But it's really like you said, it's it's like infrastructure. It's building this up. If I go into you know, half the buildings around here depending on what floor on and what the building is constructed of I just lose reception. Ryan's you know, they're people who even within small geographic areas are very devoted to a specific carrier because that's the one that has the tower closer to their house, and that's where they get the related reception at home. I used to have a I t mobile years ago where it was okay? If I was in like the next city over or any of the bigger cities, but in my own city, and specifically in my own apartment, I had like one bar or maybe no service at all have to walk outside. If I wanted to make phone call. So the idea of five G part of what that would deliver is different ways to get your bandwidth and microcells and multiple carriers aggregated together to give you the the higher speeds. And there's a lot of exciting. King aspects to it in just the phenomenal possibilities of all this additional bandwidth is, you know, it's wonderful to think about, but it really is going to take time. Like, I remember it took a long time to get three g up and running everywhere in the US. And then it was on a four g in some of the carriers were kind of left behind a little bit. And they like AT&_T, you know, we've we've seen recently. I think we talked a couple of weeks ago about the five G fiasco. They're basically advertising LT advanced is five G, but it's not and they did the same thing with four G. I remember I had it was either my iphone four or four asking. It was a four asked that supported the enhanced back haul H S T H SPA, plus which AT and T called four G. So my little status bar the tops had four G. But if I was using the other phone like my next four, oh just have each SPA. A doesn't say it's for g so there's a little branding thing too. And I think there's a lot of this is not a whole lot of understanding of what five G actually is an all the technologies that go into it and the the infrastructure SPN place for actually work at the speeds that they talk about. So we're immensely complicated. Yeah. A kiss. I I've I've been somebody asked me to sort of put together a an executive summary and explainer of five G, and the, you know, one there's just a ton going on and to the marketing claims or so over the top at this point, you know, the Louis latency possible in a mobile network when able real time communications controlling vehicular traffic, and it's like it goes on and on and on because it's going to be like, you know, finally, we're gonna use IP six because everything's going to have a controller inside of it. You'll monitor you know, your cat and your pillow and your car real time. And your dog can drive your washing machine, and it will change everything. And it's like whoa back up. And you know, but they are literally trying to create a future where it is a possible to deliver competitive performance, an affordable performance, or or or or maybe, you know, bam with they're willing to sustain for, you know, for example, Verizon doing five G delivery of wireless homes, although we can argue how do you that Israel is not and it will also be in tiny tiny devices that you will be able to get information from real time. And it will be of course in your phone, and tablets, and it will be used for. You know, it's it's this crazy mix of it will be in cars it will be in traffic lights. It will be in your dog. It will be everywhere. You know? I'm mostly excited to see five G come to towers because of the way they're gonna be doing the multiplexing will stop it from being turned its h is I want to see if they actually increase the performance in ways that are interesting to me, especially in places where whoa, I'm in a city. It is densely populated and there's a lot of competition for the bam with on tower. So yeah, there's we shouldn't see it. Sure. I'm sure from like claw com is very proud of their five G modem technology, and they've had it for a couple of years now, and it's just now making its way into devices, but there's not really a need for it. Just yet like by the device because of the other features it offers in the possibility of experiencing five she but realistically time it's in widespread adoption, you'll be on a different handset. Anyway. So I'm not trying to be an apple apologist. Because of course, apple does not have any five gene probably will not for the foreseeable future because of various reasons, including there. Somewhat strained relationship with the company that is making all the five G modems currently. Gracious. It's yeah. And then I look at like Android police. I saw this on Twitter yesterday. They they had a headline about the the five G galaxy S ten and they say just the title of the article this the galaxy S ten five G is a six point seven inch six camera forty five hundred Bill an hour monster of a phone built for nobody. Appropriately snarky and it got to click for me, but really the inaugural quoted. Yeah. It's you don't need five G. Just get yourself. A really good LT phone that has the best camera and runs the operating system that you like, and you know, you're probably fine. No, actually, I think everyone will make fun of you and stop being your friend. If you don't buy the most expensive phone possible. Let's be honest about this. All right. Let's let's let's do it together right now on this podcast. Folds? Yeah. Can I come up at your house after I'm kicked out of mind for ordering a two thousand dollars should be eight in one thousand nine hundred eighty dollar phone for correction yourself? Oh my goodness. We should. 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PC per suggests that seven nanometer is three desktop CPS and Davidge EPS will becoming seven slash seven of twenty nineteen over a comprehensive doesn't it make sense though, seven nanometer, and they released Reisen seven the world's first seven nanometer gaming GPO on February seven so why not really see us on seven seven. Although, you know, they can't wait till twenty seventy seven. So they've got to do it. Now. We expect like they've we've basically expected this to be mid two thousand nineteen since CBS and going all the way back to like initial reports from back then while back then those last month, but so long, you know, mid was mid two thousand nineteen was what was on their actual like the press briefing slides. So it's not a big stretch. The report from red gaming tack believe was that it's seven seven and that there will be a trio of major product announcements coming at computrac with at seven seven release date. So I mean. I mean, it's a great story. Even if it's not true and some of the leaked specifications are kind of correspond to some of those early leaks that we had heard about what rising three thousand would be able to do and like the whole five gigahertz thing in the massive core counts and all that stuff. So I am looking forward to this. If they have like last night, we were talking about this on our show and was just staring at the image of the rising three thousand CPU in like, you know, what that is the perfect that spot down there in the corner. That's exactly where the other chip lit would go. I can totally see that this. This is a sixteen core part it has to be. So like if the ship-lifts for the CPR the smaller, which makes sense if they're seven nanometers if the I o dies the bigger one you'd like thinking all these things. So however, they can figure it it makes a lot of sense that they would end up with a lot of flexibility with that design and that some of these room. Start to take on some by guess additional gravity when you think like this is completely plausible. Like, I would totally expect them to have big announcements to make contacts and. You know, July corresponds with the whole mid two thousand nineteen thing. The graphics cards though. To to say that they're going to have new processors in Newport, that makes sense because you have to release a new platform with the CPU, it doesn't work with your old platform, and that usually gets sent out all at once when it hits the market, but to say that the navy cheap us will be ready by then they will probably announce something, but any of the rumors that we've heard for months now have been saying that navy is like it's later that'd be later in two thousand nineteen like think like October November timeframe, so we'll have a big update or perhaps some specs. AMD district. They'll be refreshing the whole radio on lineup this year. So there f- do something. I don't know if it'll be just a refresh of the existing architecture and cards or if we will see the first navy hit the market, but so if the the the rumored rise in nine thirty eight hundred x has two eight cores n to dis to give it. It's fantastic sixteen core thirty two thread counts. Are we looking at a part that's going to have some of the same issue as thread ripper in certain work situations, or is this going to be just a ridiculously fast desktop processor for for most of humanity. That's a good question. And I have to admit that I have not studied this new architecture yet, even though okay? I don't know if they've actually briefed people on it. But yeah, I've got some reading to do to find out because the issue with red ripper, of course, when you go up to those like massive like the twenty nine ninety w x parts is that's a thirty two core part. But still when you when you get up into the higher core counts with these processors, which are essentially multiple processors on the same die. You don't have direct memory access with every CPU core. So they end up kind of sharing access where half of them will have it half of them won't have them and kind of share and they use this thing called Infinity fabric, which essentially runs at the speed of your memory. So the faster the ram you buy or the more you overclock ram am the better performance you get from quarter core. So the core core latency was something that until I'm sure was very happy to point out when. In the news product hit. So if if they we for different rumors, I think they haven't actually explained I think it was adored TV a noted AMD fan and pundit on YouTube who was speculating about a memory crossbar system, and how that was going to operate between the two chip flits. Which would I think Infinity fabric is a memory crossbar. But again, we're talking about complex sort of server Centric designs that are that are making their way down into the mainstream with products like thread, ripper, not that it's a mainstream part. But certainly, you know, a thirty two core part for seventeen hundred twenty nine dollars is a lot more mainstream than you know, three or four thousand dollars EON part. So. It's it's fascinating stuff. Like, this is basically like epic but for desktop, and it's small because they're doing it at seven nanometer fits into the same sized packages, the existing AM four processor. So so a lot of new stuff. Exciting stuff. Aqua computer Cup, lex Krause is a mouthful. You know, I I am I'm curious as a mortgage right up on this one. And I still have a water block that I paid a couple of hundred dollars for that I refuse to get rid of. Although I would have to mod the snot out of it to put it on any of the number of of CPU mounts. That are available today. You know, we is it good. What's the pricing? Is it going to be painfully expensive kinda? Yeah. Not as expensive as the one. If you're looking at the screen, if you're watching the video there are two versions of this and one of them has a screen on it like on the actual CPU block. There is a display that gives you realtime monitoring formation about what's going on inside as far as like, the water temperature and stuff, I believe. But the the version that Maury reviewed was the more basic and affordable one hundred dollar version, which is expensive. Of course, this is just one component in your entire custom cooling loop. It's obviously a pretty important one. Yeah. It's it you're paying partly for the, you know, the manufacturing and the complexity of design, but it's also a solid copper Eunice. So apparently, there's another one that uses silver as well. Which Maury said was just I think he described it as ungodly expensive. But. T had some fun over clocking a Reisen processor tattoo twenty seven hundred x on his test invention. Eat pumped up the voltage to I think it was one point four five and got himself a decent overclock. And this thing kept it pretty cool. Like he was seeing temperatures. I think in the low seventies at load. So. It's it's nice. He was it was a big fan of it. The the main issue here is going to be pricing. There are more affordable options on the market. But. Can I get what you pay for and got his seal of approval just from overall quality? This is actually when he bought himself to his nutter reviewing it. He bought it alike pretty wanted to review it. So that's cool. I mean, it's it's always it's challenging right? Because there are certainly if you're building a custom case or you're doing some particularly fancy a totally understand spend a lot of money on water block because they're so obvious inside of the case, or if you're looking for for a design that is not as locked down as lot of the sealed liquid cooler shallow tat right coarser has a ton of those that we've looked out over the years, but in terms of performance, you really have to be pushing things really hard to justify you know, in the ability to remove it. You know, it's it's. It's it's one hand. It's like, oh, I'm going to have a water cooler in my my speeds are going to go through the roof. And it's like, well, maybe. You know, if you're running stocks beats you're running a water cooler because you like the way looks or or because you think it's cool or or you think it has less fan noise. A but you're probably not getting any kind of performance boost over your stock air cooler. Well, you know, an aftermarket Eric low writes, a lot of stock air coolers, are are, you know, worth all of the money you paid for them. You know, there's some are better than others. I think somebody AMD air coolers are particularly good stuff. Good. Yeah. And it's amazing. How good a thirty dollar air cooler is these days, but it is pretty it is really really pretty and they have optional tops. That's the key. I I just I want the the one with the screen on it. That would I think it was last week or maybe it was two weeks ago. We talked about this her. Maybe I talked about this insane idea. I had of everything being like having a display or like because we talked about the power supply with the led display in it. Everything has our GP can even get RGB cables for your power supply. Why not take it up a notch and RGB Oleg? Autre block. I think it's perfect concept. They could sell for you five or six. Totally worth research and development costs. One would hope speaking of research and development, and and RGB's Jim towns over at PC per did right up on corsairs, dominator, platinum our GP memory, which is essentially the micro Elliott each of the Catholics LED's that everybody saw at CAS. They were shown up in several different places. But I think corsair kind of had the highest profile, and these are essentially instead of having a one big giant or several modestly size LED's has has a whole. I'm gonna use the scientific term here. People so brace for impacts not load of little tiny LED's that essentially distribute the back lighting a bit loud a bit better. This is kind of a crazy rollout even for corsair. Right. Twenty-two skews from three thousand megahertz to forty eight hundred megahertz capacities between sixty gig by one hundred twenty eight gigabytes and Jim got a three gigabyte four by eight kit clocked at thirty two hundred megahertz timings of fourteen four. Eighteen fourteen thirty four fewer a memory nerd, pretty aggressive timings. Yeah. At thirty two hundred and aggressive company. So, you know, part of what makes these really cool Primax, which is the company that makes the Catholics LED's. They essentially there's no package layer the LED substrates right on the PCB and the LED's become what I will functionally call again with another scientific term stupid tiny point two millimeters or point two cubic millimetres instead of like two point eight cubic millimetres, which is if the math in my head is correct. Like one third the volume a ninety well more than one third is ninety two cents dark Darshan in size. Also makes them much more energy efficient. So they consume less power less. Power means less heat. They're claiming something like they're six percent, brighter. Forty percent less power hungry and have a quote thirty five percent longer service life than SMD LED's. So that means if you're wearing a headset, and you are the. Guy or gal that wants the LED's and your headset to match motherboard to match keyboard? You're gonna get significantly better battery life at your headset. If it is using these next generation LED's in terms of the parts themselves, you know, it's memory, and it's fast. Yeah. I wanna know what Icees earned these and stuff. I'm sure you've probably already looked into that. But I'm currently transfixed by this video footage of the different light patterns and effects, which is insane. Like, we're talking about computer memory here. But it's. This is probably the best looking computer lighting are for memory lighting of ever seen. Right. It's very shiny wonder what the pixel density of those Mike rallied. He's is could you use your memory as some sort of local dimming back lighting system. I don't know. I was excited that a gym tested against an older, dominator, platinum platinum memory kit which had slightly different timings, but they ran him over clocked. And he said that the dominator plan the new memory, the dominator, platinum Margie be manage get you to tighter timings or higher frequencies. So, you know, it's it's it's interesting because I love the idea of having faster memory and faster memory, especially certainly the days. The MD rises, for example, was going to be killer in critical to overclock being whether or not you see any real huge real world performance benefits when he gets application level benchmarking. It's a little thinner. You know, but these, you know, Keith bench test is you kind of scale up the memory. You know, you know, latency bam with copy overall things go up, which is generally what you wanna see them do as you start spending more money for faster things. So, you know, if you understand geek bench points that will be incredibly meaningful to you. If you don't it may not. But essentially there is a modest as you get in the sort of geek bench system performance tests. You know, Jim points out a tiny one point five percent improvement between thirty two hundred megahertz arts and four thousand beg hurts in single core results, which increases to three percent in multi core results. So, you know. You you know, if you were to memory bam with as being a gated factor. You're looking at increases between nineteen and twenty two percents at least according to the eighty sixty four memory benchmark, you know, mostly I think you're buying this because you want really cool memory. That's not going to restrict the performance of your PC. I I like memory over clocking and memory benchmarks are fun. I haven't I haven't done any in like five years though, because it's not as relevant as it. Once was except for the whole like Reisen thing and all of that. But it's it looking at some of these charts like you had like they can see difference. I mean, this would be a lot more exciting. If we changed the x axis, and may be gone from like five thousand eight thousand it was like these gains, but sa- gets milliseconds here. That's not you know, it's is interesting, but you know, single and low two digit performance increases are not the most compelling thing. Essentially like, you said, this is really cool new products. If you're into like case modding, and like RGB, especially because it's very divisive, it seems there are some people who are all about it. Some can't stand it. But this is. A light up the inside of your case. It looks cool. And it has great performance. So no worries about that. You will pay for though, we'll pay for it. No one rides for free people. Orbit fans back blazes, Dr reliability reports because we use hard drives, and we liked to be reliable, and they by consumer drives to integrate into their massive backup system, which I pay for out of my own pocket to use a pretty big fan. They didn't a recent article that that showed up in in my feed in my Email tired about SSD reliability. Now, unlike their hard drive reports this was not, you know, we had ten thousand of these dries or eleven hundred of these drives, but they they basically walked through SSD's reliability. You know, from the basics the thing that I took away from it was don't use Q L C drives in situations where you do a ton of rights. I e if it's a Q L C SSD don't use it for your video editing machine. Can't see stores four bits sixteen possible combinations of one's zeros with ULC migrating electrons have the most significant effect tolerable. Insulator wear is further reduced which is. To say unlike SLC drive, which you can wear the snot out of the installation, but there's one bit stored. You know, essentially, it's it's dance. And it's complicated. And is the least tolerant of your bits being flipped back and forth for rights. So don't use in a great for reads. Not so good for intense amounts of rights. They also did a summary, which is something. I don't think I've seen anybody do where they talk about what to look for. If you're worried about your SSD drying, drying, dying, bad blocks, if suddenly files cannot be read or written if your system needs repair if you have crashes when you vote and to quote back blaze, quote, the drive becomes read only. I'm going to knock on wood. Because part of me wants to say now, that's a Dr issue. I've never run into except that I have a machine in the other room that I don't want to suddenly, you know, become ri- become read only or stop booting. But, you know, seriously, unless you're somebody that's constantly constantly constantly writing massive amounts of data, your PC, you know, if you're dealing with really unhinged of video editing or content creation, massive compiles. If you've got some kind of a really nasty video downloading habit off a bit torn or something SSD should live a long time. Certainly it should outlast whatever the rating is from the manufacturer in terms of of you know, the years they are giving you a on the warranty because a the the warranties are are pretty generous and be you're only using your computer cases, like eight or ten hours a day. I it was interesting read. So you know, if you go to back blades. Dot com slash blog. If you've been thinking about SSD's necessary longevity in what to do mostly. It's really simple, you know, and backup always always back up. You know, if not with with back plays with spider oak with whatever your favorite online backup services. So. In SSD's. I know we were talking about this few weeks go, but SSD's are cheap right now. Especially compared to where they were a year ago. Ooh. The big ones like the one terabyte NVSS's have dropped considerably. Like we were seeing and for like standard. I think it was last week or two weeks ago. Josh at the site year was pointing us to goes, the Yvo eight sixty one terabyte said SSD for like hundred forty seven bucks, that's kind of unheard of like a one of my wife's coworkers actually just solve a necessity for her and her laptop like two weeks ago, and it was just like a, you know, a patriot drive from Amazon nine hundred sixty gigabytes it was like one hundred and thirty bucks hundred twenty five bucks are getting really cheap for larger capacity drives hundred fifty for an eight sixty Yvo a one terabyte AmEx five hundred from crucials one hundred and thirty five dollars a WD blue one terabyte SSD. These are all SATA drives one hundred twenty six dollars. You know? For most people that's more performance. Or it's it's it end the certainly faster. I don't know if a lot of people will notice it in in everyday use silicon power there. Salman for one hundred ten bucks and disc hundred twenty five bucks. Yeah. You know, five hundred gigabyte drives or seventy eight bucks. I'm waiting for a good two hundred dollars two terabyte drive. That's going to be the sweet spot. Like, you're talking about that magical that mythical ten cents per gigabyte number, right? That Ryan always preached. We call it PC perspective. We call it Ryan's law. Intel may have Moore's law. We have Ryan's law that at some point in the future. He was rather vague about this SSD's will be ten cents per gigabyte. So you know, it's happened at on sales and things, but I mean in general, especially on VME's Steph. We're not there yet. No. But if you're looking at SATA drives right now, two terabyte drives or selling for, you know, fifty sixty bucks less than a one terabyte drive with selling for six months or a year ago, ride crucials van MS five hundred terabyte two hundred ninety dollars. You know Samsung eight sixty two terabyte drive is two hundred ninety seven dollars ninety nine cents two hundred fifty bucks for Western Digital blue two terabytes SSD us just that makes me happy. So one terabyte NBA me drives still a bit pricey by comparison. In fact. Well, well. A crucial one terabyte three Dan in the PI EM that two hundred and fifty dollars. Nine seventy e egos two hundred fifty dollars for one terabyte envy me. So you know, they've gotten a lot cheaper wasn't digital black one terabyte MVP's two hundred twenty nine dollars ninety seventy pros still up around three hundred fifty dollars. And it's a good time to be buying PC parts. It's always. Well, no, I'm not going to say that. It's not always a good time. I'm I've blocked out of my mind, successfully the the Aira of crypto mining in the inability to buy any performance GPU anywhere near even maybe double its MS RPI. Yeah. For months and months, so. Yeah, it right now is a really good time to be buying. It is well and also like we've memory prices are down not to where they were at rock-bottom, but they're certainly down from where they were at peak. SSD prices are down GP prices are pretty good as long as you're looking for sort of in RT X at least they're selling fairly close to fairly close to MS RPM. If you're looking for a ten sixty which I'm not sure I'd buy for anything other than ten eighty p gaming system. You didn't wanna spend a lot of money on the the cards are downright Chiba well under MS RPM. So I think there's a flood of those available on. On the market as they say. Oh my goodness. So you can't t- is anything coming up on PC per that. You might want to tease talk about today because of an DA's. So I will tell people that if you're just listening to the podcast head over to PC pervert in exciting review, possibly or any other of your favorite hardware websites. Is there anything you can tease that you are allowed to tease for PC per coming up. I mean, there's a lot of stuff coming up. One of my favorite upcoming projects is the alpha and omega of motherboards. So really? That's the taste. I could go farther and say these sues. Some other words that our products that end with alpha and omega. But it's they're they're hilarious. These are incredibly just over specked is every imaginable feature very high price tags. I think between the two of them. We're talking about fourteen hundred dollars worth of motherboard. And it's like you're alternate X to ninety nine an extra ninety nine platforms. Whether you're an Intel or AMD, and I successfully lobbied to have both of them sent here. So I'm like have that thread ripper one to get ad that like, oh, yeah. I'll get that there. So I was like all right now, we've got both alpha and omega together. Let's one thing that's going on the omega. Oh, yeah. That's true. And actually, this is the knockoff of the mega from some seller on Amazon, which I think was around eighteen dollars because those are some of the most overpriced pieces of wood I've ever seen not to say that they're not great products. But I think the actual mega headphones one hundred seventy nine dollars like that. That's a lot. Yeah. I some you know, would that they got wet and then like put in a mold. I guess we know how it works. Maybe they molded it that way, I friend of mine was trying to figure out how to do that. And apparently it is pricey. You put together the equipment to make. That scale in any reasonable any reasonable fashion. Oh my goodness. We got a question about computer. Desktop tech thing this week. So we talked about battle stations or essentially what Shannon's computer desk looks like versus mind she's gotten up desk and has a lot of back lighting. And I have literally about the exact opposite might involve my desk involves a garage sale. And I don't have to dust as often as Shannon because it's really hard to see the dust on my desk, which is probably a bug and not a feature, but I will be honest about that. 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S5 E1: Abhinav Asthana, Postman

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And and i think that feeling of joy that you get that somebody independently of you l. ing them a use my product you know somebody describing it using it was pretty magical feeling and i think what we try to have as co founders and the team was reiterated pictures. The war that that person was an oven of astana and go from. Of course want this is code story. A podcast bringing you interviews with tech visionaries who share in the critical of what it takes to change and industry and filled and lead a team. That has your back. I'm your host. Noah lab part day how hobby novice built the chrome extension turn platform making the way for. Api collaboration all this more fun. Code story i've enough. Astana grew up in several small towns in the northern part of india. One of those towns was bossy. One hundred fifty miles from the capital. He's been a computer geek. Since fifth grade. When his dad bought a pretty sophisticated pentium for the time small towns he lived in. Were not the most connected parts of the world. And as such she experienced the impact of computers and the internet improving lies from very early age. He enjoys reading books. As a kid who was into fiction reading lord of the rings harry potter agatha christie etc. Slowly he started to drift towards popular science designed books and nonfiction more towards the tech sphere of the world in two thousand twelve. The projects that are was involved in had the same pain point how to work with the. Api's that connected the front and back end of the application and the tools he had to use never helped him develop efficiently. He thought what would make this better. This is the creation story of postman. Postman is an api platform that helps deliver great quality. Api is you know for development teams it helps developers asked ivanka documenting and just generally built. Api is faster. Read cards started was. I realized in two thousand twelve of projects that i was doing whether it was a hobby projects on it was done ship at yahoo or the startups that either worked with or destroyed college under the company called me like i was building these apps undefended platforms all the time. Sometimes on the web sometimes on sometimes on mobile devices and mean pain point i encountered always was working with the api that connect the back in the fronting. The province were very many. Like what is it is documentation for the api. Do i really know how that works too. Know how it behaves in a particular setting more often than not. I would find out that it's a multi person problem that would be created by somebody else. And in some cases i was building the accusative. So i found out that the whole experience was a bit of a challenge in the tools that i was using back. Then it was in call on the command line or custom clients that i would write in javascript. Were never really helped me work faster so i caught a you know what would make my life better and the point i started off with it was just basically saying i just want to have a very clear understanding if apia has not working as if my core or is the and i started with a respiratory and a used chrome extensions to build it avoided network issues by having something on the web and it was a pretty simple tool back. Then so that's how it starter. I tried to pinpoint and so everybody had been around me and It just built a chrome extension and kind of put it out on the web store and started recommending people to yeah a lot of people picked it up and start using it themselves. Tell me about that. Mvp so you mentioned building something and putting on the chrome store you. How long did it take you to build that. And what sort of tools did you use to bring to life. I think it probably took two months or three months to build the first version. If i'm not wrong you know. I was at that point. I was very much into like building using the latest frameworks or whatever. It was hard in a back then. And i found out that i would always get into issues related because i really did not understand a framework or a language properly so i basically the first version of postman was probably three or four fines. Javascript file very very simple Codebase and probably more than a few hundred lines of court. I think the primary focus for me was the interface back. Then i think i used the bootstrap library richard of popular numbers pretty popular back then. Pretty simple like. I think i was using jake. A lot of interesting stuff at that. Time was happening on. The chrome is like the local appears at the broncos brazos providing so index. Tv was a local stories layer. That was using simple mvp which would just look. I think that's a great message to send to people starting out building something trying to find the perfect framework. Or i'm gonna use this cool tool and really you can just start out with the basics and build something quite amazing so with the mvp with any mvp right. You have to make certain decisions and trade offs about what you make in the short term and and how you cope with those decisions so tell me about some of those things. Where whether it be like you know technical debt or feature cut or starting small or anything like that. Tell me about some of those trade offs and how you coped with severe. Think about it. Is you're building a product and by the bill and failed at many many products you know until postman I mean we had moderate modest success. Previously the economics looked at cardiff building at that time and still do. Is you kind of exploring problem. Space on your exploring a solution space and you don't know the fullest extent of water those in the beginning. You know that's why you can have a minimum viable product to help you explore that. And what i try to have others in front of me. Was this awareness. That i've don't really know the problem set completely just yet but i want to have my solution be robust enough to explore an increasingly wider set of problems to solve. And it might happen that you know my problem. Space my just expand rapidly just a feature for example. Somebody said that. Hey you know what would be. What would we call in post manners if these deaths could be automated. You're writing or something like hey code. Just add some jobless kabua and what i noticed. Was that the way in which people used products those ideas that come into your mind could really expand the problem space but he quickly and it's not very Your solution that you have been building all the way you're in building that he's going to scale up to that right away. So there was this. i think. Repeated fears of factor into knowledge from those three files ahead to organize stuff into folders. And then the go-to setting stuff the modules modules in the night. Going to figuring out how to separate the ui layer and the compute layer and the raiders base layer. So i kind of always kept in mind like okay. What are the next six. Were order the next six months. Look like what is the next one year and then michael founders joined in progress in two thousand thirteen. We always kept in mind that hey. This is an increasingly bigger and bigger problems. Space to an extent you know. Of course we see that. I've company in the world needs an api platform. But at this point in time you want to focus on us. Soil problems Us limited problems for these users and can be shipped next week. Can ship expanded here. If our if our time reason shipping is six months from now. Then it's probably wrong to will from that point. How did you progress the product. How did you mature it. And and i'm curious how you went about the process of building your roadmap and deciding. Okay this is the next most important thing to build. So as a postman grew. I started looking at every data point dennis coming in recommending Heard people posting reviews people posting each other on guitar. You know blog articles or references paulson. I think first of all it was just a lot of fun to explore. And i think i to those feeling of joy that you get that somebody independently of you telling them hey product you know somebody discovering using it was just like a pretty magical feeling and i think what we try to have as co founders and. The team was really trying to picture the world that that person was in. What are they going to deal with at work you know. Why are they asking about this particular feature in a hominy as the building every day. So we continuously asking those features on top of reviews and the references that we were getting and we try to draw teams from that. We tried to see you know. What is it categorization of these asks. For example that are coming in and these asks help us stay the course you know of of everyone the product to go so the also framed. Our two core hypotheses are on the product was foiled was there in the world is shifting from court force to appear force development where essentially every piece of software is going to be an apr be using api's and developers are using tools. That are not very for that. So that was the first hypothesis we found in the second thing. We famed which became very critical to the product was at the. Va people collaborate on. Epa's is also going to fundamentally change. What people are primarily doing court. Collaboration not apa collaboration. So these two teams is our You know we kind of kept inside and so okay feedback. Coming in adding weight to any of these. Things are are taking the product in a new direction in a dan. I think we benefited from having designers and their team very early on. Who looked at you. I design and user experiences every still haven't nailed on the perfect formula that can be just given to people and say that in iran with it. It's it's a mix of infusion an metrics qualitative data and vision that goes into building success attrition sephardic. The number one rule for us is that the got to continue increasing the speed of iteration. If that goes down then we then we have a bigger problem. Let's switch to team so in those early days we start getting some traction. You build your roadmap. He starting to grow the postman solution. How did you go about building your team. And i'm interested in you. Know what you look for in those people to indicate that they were the winning horses to join you the first Probably the most important thing was really like the belief in in our vision and just basically even something as simple as do they understand. Aps at all. If you don't understand aba really don't see the power of a. It'll be very hard for you to be excited about what we're building. I mean we made our mistakes as well. And i didn't see it the same way and you're like you know that's why we have a unique your point and nobody knows about it. Has lately meals. See more people who see things and people who do so. That was kind of like the number one thing you know. We looked for generalists who could divide their time into multiple different tasks in the early days. And you know they could focus on one thing. It's us to really like double up and multiple roles people who were you know. Kind of long-term tinkers people were passed the marshmallow tests for example footers. Ancient face it so that those those sorts of things looked at you know and i think having a hell team the team that is giving each other positive feedback and negative feedback when we needed to send you know. The team was much more important than i'd say. A specific skillset mu found lord. Lakes specific skill sets. 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Kit is the fastest way to add photo or video functionality to any application visit i n g dot l. y. slash code story today to try the web him. Oh that's g dot l. y. Slash coats story. Let's let's flip over to scale ability. Did you build this in the beginning to scale efficiently or were you fighting this as you grow now. I'm curious to see how this applied to you. As you crew postman. Thinks that we have learned is the lord of bull from the market on moore street like all levels you know inaccurate even see it. Issue tracker sometimes references. When when i was a solo developer people were extremely nice. They're like oh. You warned us. But i know how are you working at least in our take your time and below trade. But they're still like requests and as he became larger people wanted more things and as we had customers will instill wanted more things in our market. We saw the. there's just a lot of poll. And that has forced us to scale the faster than i'd say for most other companies. I think there are two dimensions would say one is the breadth of the company where we had to add additional functions and capabilities inside the company. Like no we need to have a developer relations function. We need to have a marketing function meaning to have a customer success function to act support and then on the depth of talent and capabilities. We need to grow within an engineering. Our cloud capability we need to learn how to deliver things in the millions of developers at scale so kind of like these. Two dimensions were the ones who are tracking data companies. More than four hundred people now across probably more than ten countries already and we continue to scale but the structure is more defined as you step out on the balcony. And you look across what you've built. What are you most proud of things. Forces the community and the feedback and the love that they have given us. And i think the credit goes through our company. Like seeing what we shape you know. Beloved sometimes no hitter is. It's all court amazing. And as i said like you know that moment of joy that got the first time around. It's just never gone away and and kept me excited aboard the next decade. I think it's been a few years since i started. The company is young though you know. The company was founded in two thousand and two thousand fourteen. The company's relatively young in the project has been around longer. So that's that's been a big source of motivation for me. And i'm very proud of that. I think the second thing is basically our team itself the way. Oh my go- founders. Were with me and the rest of the team and the team members are is just fantastic to see people really caring about. The epa is getting about what they're gonna bill letting it just. It just feels amazing. Sometimes i'm like i'm like oh my god it's really happening. Let's flip the script a little bit. Tell me about a mistake. You made and how you and your team responded to it sue. I mean there are many many many mistakes. I think over time. I'd say von mistake. Probably as i was moving to the. Us was a probably kind of underestimated. The amount of work that in i should have portend on building and sticking to our culture in. I kind of assumed early on that. You know there are going to be you know different personalities and distinct identities maybe even into the company and it was just like a heart in my head which had many many indications down the road and you can be fired and the processes and it took some time to uncover that and really hone in on what we wanted everybody to to be like a way so was it was just a hard realization that you know you use just have really work in establishing the right culture the right processes that apply to postmen and not something that you can just copy paste from another companies because somebody looked at a bigger company or at that point in time more successful company so now we are much more rigorous about on boarding people hopefully much better assessing and interviewing people all things here to put in place after those mistakes. So this'll be interesting. And i i'm excited to hear. What does the future look like for. Postman the product in for your team. I'm extremely excited about the potential of api's no. I think it's still just getting started on ward. Api's unlock for the world off. Vision is that boseman is going to help. Create new developers in the word thug about conference recently. What we're seeing. Is this massive explosion in the number of people who want to build stuff and building. You can have many different connotations. In ab- you can write core. You can you know integrate different applications. You can you know. Build things on top of other platforms like in a slide in sales course but were seniors. This unique needs to bird to improve. You know walk floors whether it's customer support at sales his marketing. And it's like all of these different professions that are coming up now and all of that is powered by and believed that even more so in the world like everything's going to be a peer driven it's gonna force people to think aboard new kinds of business martyrs. You know that are more relevant for more privacy of air world and moreover for the security implications that exist today. We all kind of connected along with you. no kidding. These building blocks watch what this new generation of in our developers or builders. If i may who radio and postman is i'd say unique place and that we have the trust of more than fifteen million people as of today to help you know bill. Bill that new switch to you. I've been honest. Who influences the way that you work name ceo. Cto an architect really really any person named person you look up to and why you know my d.c is still a gateway like oh my windows in bill gates like that better shifted more to think a more into courting know steve wozniak. You know that i was. We had him at a conference recently. In years amusing. I think recently been admiring family because of the way amazon does. Apa is in the pioneer of lewis in more of jeff bezos. You know. I mean everything that is written in. I try to read. And see what i can learn from. So i think that's one person in the recent times lesson that has influenced my thinking a lot but yeah i think more i mostly dow look at mentors as you know people who i can learn certain things from rather than the personae itself kind of gone over you know. The jobs were was activated. Sort of things. We talked about mistakes right but a little bit different spin. If you could go back to the beginning What would you do differently. Or where would you consider taking a different approach. I would have probably. If i had the benefit of hindsight i would just tell started sooner and in a force miami co founder to leave your obser- kind of took took took sometime are from i company and then the second company just to each og mitch which was generally a good thing but knowing the potential that we have today i would have just gone all in earlier. I hear that answer of a lot and i i represent that enter to. I wish i would have started early last question. I have enough. You're getting on a plane and you're sitting next to a young entrepreneur. Who's built the next big thing. They're jazz about it. They can't wait to show it off to the world. That can't wait. Showed off to you right there on the plane. What advice do you give that person. Having gone down this road a bit so after having spoken to a few funders i would say listen to your customers like deeply and believe in your vision and yourself. I felt like everything in between something that clouds the clarity that i think early founders can have you know if you are customer or the customer. You're clicking are probably helps you a lot because you kinda feel the pain but if your product is stories per company solving some point in listening to them and listening not in the sense of just have to sell a product to them at some point but really empathizing with their pinpoint really believing in you know feeling that pain point and then then the challenges of company building fundraising hiding pitching in just a basic operational stuff that comes. You're gonna feel like oh my god. Do i really know all the stuff. You kind of. Go back to kind of clarity. The two probably hard when you start the company that you know. Why why you that. If you believe that you'll be too. That's great advice lebanon. Thank you for being on the show today. Thank you for being on code storytelling. The creation story of postman. Thanks for having me no. Because in this concludes another chapter of code story. Coach story is hosted and produced by noah. 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Podcast #541 - Intel 9th Gen Mobile, ASUS ROG Laptop Refresh

PC Perspective Podcast

1:20:11 hr | 2 years ago

Podcast #541 - Intel 9th Gen Mobile, ASUS ROG Laptop Refresh

"Everyone. Welcome to the PC perspective podcast episode five hundred and forty one being recorded Wednesday, April twenty fourth twenty nineteen. I'm Jim tennis. And I'm Jeremy Hellstrom, I'm Josh walrus. I'm Sebastian peak. Amr glad you could join us this week. It's it's gonna probably be a little bit of shorter show. But we've got a bunch of news that's happened in the last six days, I guess because we recorded a day late last week. So let's let's jump in here as I guess some housekeeping things as always record Wednesday nights at retry record Wednesday nights. Ten pm eastern Thursday morning to AM UT, see, and you can join us at our YouTube live page for now, although we are launching the long-awaited redesign of our website. That's going to launch not this week we coming weekend, but the following. So that will be live if everything goes well. And when that does happen you'll be able to go back to PC dot com slash live where we'll have the embedded YouTube and chat all in one handy place for you once again, we've we lost that when we transitioned the site over at the beginning of the year. So that'll be good to have that back. But again that's going to be two weeks from now. The other thing you can do if you want to join us live is go to PC dot com slash subscribe. We can join our mailing list where we tell you. When we go live. It's all we use it for you'll get an Email about 'em. Our so before a live event with the link and kind of overview of topics that we have planned for that night. So check that out PC dot com slash scribe. If you want to be notified, and let's jump into this week in the news. We've got something a little unusual to start with this is the part of the show where we normally talk about reviews, and there was a product launch this week. But we don't have a review for it quite yet. And that is the GTS sixteen fifty the lowest cost turing entry far from Invidia it launched was it yesterday Sebastian or Monday yesterday so to Tuesday launched, but unfortunately, we don't we don't know exactly why we think there might have been some some issues with the drivers and video. Wasn't able to provide reviewers with driver for the card head of launch. So we had the cards Sebastian had a couple of cards and didn't have a driver to test them. So the card launched publicly yesterday, you can go out and buy it. And the driver came out with it. And we'll talk about that driver a little later, but we don't have a review because of wasn't able to start testing until the driver came out. So he's been busy testing. And maybe he has a little bit to talk about with us in terms of some some teases of performance, but we'll have that review for you shortly. But it is worth noticing the worth noting that the GT sixteen fifty is out now at a base price of one forty nine. So Sebastian what are if you can share with us, your initial impressions of this card very initial because a, you know, Hugh said of about a day, although enterprising sites like gamers next already finished review because you know, Steve Burke doesn't. No, barely knots and the few hours I've been able to put into finally got initial testing done on one of the two cards. We were sent an MSI variant. What was interesting to me is of the two cards. This is seventy five card to see, you know, it's it's kind of like the air appearance of the GT x ten fifty the car that you can drop into any system that doesn't require any kind of external power, although the two cards that we received one for Memphis. I want from VJ both have a six pin? Power connector. So these are a little bit higher clock variance have some over clocking potentials. I'll be looking at that the over clocking yet of haven't even actually looked at the results that I finally got benchmarking on the card as about nine pm. But this is a card that has eight hundred ninety six of those touring Khuda cores. So the same architecture of sixteen sixty a much lower core count. This only has four gigabytes of DDR five memory, though, we're we're looking. At lower performance and that lower price point. But as I put this all together, I'll have a better idea of exactly how it fits in a no that MD was definitely pushing the sort of price performance of the Rx five seventy against this card before it launched officially. So that's the one card I have left the to get through to see how they stack up. But I am definitely curious to see how these two cards overclock seal close I can get them to a sixteen sixty performance level. But that should be up tomorrow on the site. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot to talk about tonight because we're still in the middle of it. And we have special guests attack of the kitty, she she heard patriot. And. And someone said once a month. She shows up. So they'll give us some money. So I think that's a good rethink rainy. I don't know. But she's not here fighting with the other cat. I'm like gyms gladiators. Oh, yeah. They were there were brutal last week going at it at my feet, unfortunately. But all right. So yeah. So stay tuned for more from Sebastian on the sixteen fifty and and we'll have the full review up at PC dot com. So be sure to check that out. Also continuing on with Sebastian. He has a couple cases. He's a case review machine. In addition to all the other hard work does force every every week. He's got a couple of cases to review the first one is the fractional design define s to vision. RGB that's a mouthful. By name that board. Then no. I use the gigabyte board in this Bill. Josh, well, then is if you've seen freckle design already had a define s to very similar to this the big difference with this particular case is this has four tempered glass panels out of the box. And there's two variants of this one with and one without RGB fans and and RGB light strip. So this one has a light strip already installed the three front fans and the rear fan or one hundred and forty millimeter RGB fans from faculty sign so this particular one ships at two thirty nine ninety nine and then there's the blackout version, which has no RGB lighting at all. And that's one eighty nine ninety nine other the actual internal layout of this is going to be almost identical to the defines to that already exists. So it's a wide open internal component chamber. It has. Is kind of an interesting setup on the back where you have sort of cages for your three and a half inch hard drives instead of open trays, and those are flat against the backs of the cases a little bit more compact on the rears twenty three millimeters of clearance on the back for cable routing and just a ton of space inside the actual component chamber. We saw with the define our six last case of this is that I looked at from them was a lot of space on the component side for all of the potential hard drive storage. And this just kind of cuts that out on the back. You know, let me cut in here. And I apologize the school back up a little bit. Jim. There. You'll stop have you ever considered being a hand model? No for various reasons. I mean looking at. Boys. I was dangling. Like, I'm holding the camera in one hand, I'm holding the power spine and the other it worked. So I kept the shot. And did you have a participle dangling as well? I. No sorry. I may have been knocked. Yeah. Anyway. But I for you know. Yeah. Thumbing power supply where it's it's an awkward stance. Josh, I didn't wanna talk about it. Grip your grip and a little too hard. You can see the white. The white of my you gotta protect assets. With your non dominant hand, you don't know what it's like. Isn't that called the friendly stranger? Idea. So are as seen it all felt it all over the last five years. It's a really nice clean build when it all goes together. I it's I do have one serious question though, and scroll back up to that last picture, Jim, please don't show the hand you change, the RGB colors or they just go. It's it's it's all GB wouldn't be Archie being. Yeah. All the pictures that they've been having that gold or gold glow and the matches your motherboard really nicely. I just didn't know here's why. Because all the fans and the RGB strip all have that common of RGB header cable coming out of them. So I d- chain those altogether, and then plugged it into the motherboard. The motherboard was already set to this sort of gold color from the last review. I did I left it alone and the CPU fan, and the motherboard colors and everything in the cases automatically popped up the same color when I are on the first time. So I left it. But you can you can set the you. I just happen to have set this using the the sink the RGB sync software with my mother board to this color because it's completely neutral as far as I know it's not blue for Intel that red frame de site green for Invidia. So I'm just I basically alternate between. This purple. I don't think that you know, shows any bias. But who knows it could be backfiring. Maybe gold is, you know, the syrup scholar or something I am pro six I don't make any about that. Pretty clear, wrapping up view. How how is it? Pretty quiet case. It has all the stuff you'd want. From fact on case, you get these basically to be utilitarian to have all the space for everything you'd ever want. It has tons of different configuration options with radiators fans and things this has a interesting design with a top where you can swap out top panels. But you also swap out top bracket. So you can either create additional fan and radiator room on the top or take it out just having ice clean look into your opponents with the smoked glass panel comes with and, you know, just little things like plenty of front case. I owe something that's a little bit forgotten with some cases these days. This has a full complement has USB two point. Oh, three point. Oh, three point one gen two type c and if you liked tempered glass, this is basically your Scandinavian design rectal Zion take on this. And if you don't like tempered glass, they have the non tempered version of this cost lot less but with or without our. Maybe we just happened. Of course, get the RGB version for this review. But with with that RGB's it provided enough airflow these are never going to be the super high airflow cases because it's got the the solid front panel. There was enough clearance that the front fans are not being suffocated do have air flow. This just at the fans with my default fan profile from his mother board did spin up a little bit more than a couple of other recent cases, just because they had to get the cooling. So, you know, I think we're approaching around forty decibels under load, which is noticeable, but not bad have to make a little bit of a trade off there for the style. If you have some more components inside and the price leaking Casey, also what? Children forty bucks for this. Yeah. That's that's a lot for fractional. Jimmy. It's one ninety. It's fifty bucks. Yeah. The white strip LED's. Yeah. But if you if you if you think about it, adding for pretty quality RGB fans to that price. You're going to go over the two fifty like earth to forty rather. If you if you were to buy the blackout, and then choose upgraded later, you know, the light strips really twenty bucks the fans are probably twenty twenty five each unless you buy in quantity. So it seems pretty fair. If you look at where factos been with other cases, defied are six has been sitting around one forty nine for a while. And I've seen it on sale for a little bit less than that. And that's a tremendous bargain. So if if you have no interest at all in our GB's, the are six is still there, you know, flagship and affordable premium nid tower offering and then the black offers. Is it one? I didn't. Because well that I'm not sure about I didn't see the wasn't up this morning. When I posted the review, I did not see if the blackout version has the glass, rear side panels. Well, really dark tent though. So you can't really see any kind of cable must back there because it's so dark. Moving very quickly along the a couple more case reviews that went up in the last couple of weeks since I've lasted on the podcast. It's been like three weeks. Now, one of them was from cooler master, check out the review of the Q five hundred L, if you're interested in a very small case, it's a micro size case that still holds an AT x motherboard inside. And this thing is pretty crammed together. When you use a full-size board like I did. But there is room for a full H E X power supply as well. You don't have to use an SF X. If you don't want to is it has an atheist bracket and the power supply and sits along the inside of the front of the case, which of course, does partially obstruct airflow if you were to use my power spy, probably a little better numbers out of this. But interesting overall design, it can be laid horizontally, it has these magnetic filters for the top and fronts and filter on the bottom, and it's only fifty nine dollars. So if you have toyed around with the idea of AT ex and a smaller package of seen a couple of these on the market before and this one I thought was really well put together feels very solid. The only thing I could even really note about it was the the plastic side panel does feel cheap, but we're hitting price point here. So if they had a more expensive version of this tempered glass that would be a nice option as well. But check out the review to see some of the interesting features of this design. I don't know if any of you guys have any interest in cramming AT X into something that's about fifteen by fifteen by nine. You don't get a lot smaller than that. Is you talking about a board? That's a little under thirteen by ten. I think you could actually technically cram EA T X S, but then you'd have to somehow externally mount the PSU. Yeah. The power supplies like the limiting factor of how small you can fit is the only thing on the inside the component chamber. If you take the in the bracket comes out, if you take that PSU out, and we're to somehow, you know, cram a SF expires play in there somewhere. It's doable. You could put an even bigger born here, but another speaking of small form factor. This one was interesting. It's the century two point. Oh, it was a crowd funded case it got funded. It's the second version of this. What they call the console sized case, very, very small takes the total. We've we've seen the lower limits of case volume before with the case, m one and the Dan cases, a four s FX believe the model and those were around seven seven point two leaders, total volume this one six point nine and it cuts it down even further because it's using a horizontal setup in that side by side, you have a GP on one side. And then the mother. Board and the FX power split share the other half. So it's about as small as you can even make a case that holds full-size components like that one of the other differences between the other cases, I mentioned in this one is this steel, but it pretty much has to be to be head of his hollow. As it is. It would be a little bit different internally. If they had the brace aluminum for something that's this narrow and wide. But it's it's interesting definitely is not cheap. This is on the high side of those drug-funded cases at two hundred sixty dollars. What the asking price was on the campaign. That's that's a few dollars. Is the celebration? How compact that is. Yeah. Look what I've been there. It's fine this anywhere else. Not really. See more when I see the picture scroll backup Jim poor for. When I see that SST always think that you outlined at post in. We look just to highlight. It's just that that perfect colors like people, you know, doing EROs pointing it crap that you don't really wanna pay attention to. But they think is important. Yeah. We'll do that every day. But this rectangle that I add in Photoshop. Yeah. Of course, just an silver SST that color. Signers or looking exactly for that. That that look standing out it pops. Oh, yeah. It's sodas putting an Archie x twenty eight t I and an I nine ninety nine hundred K inside of a case that has a how third how does that help me saddle? It sounds like whatever you put in it. I mean, the the fan that I used. Was not exactly up to the task. But it tried very hard in at three thousand RPM's ninety two millimeter fan for church testing that. I. Yeah. It was like fifty two decibels. So don't do that use a more reasonable builds. If you get a case like this, even if it isn't expensive speak host fans, let's back and then put this case on top of it. You know, something may have to do the box fan computer case, build, but. Not today. But yeah, there's cases. Back in the day. Jeremy offered from all three day or like, remember. That he lived in Indiana, and it got to be minus twenty and he went outside in an overclock experiment with the seller on three hundred to see how far he could push it. And he had a box fan blowing into thing outside twenty below. It was it was really didn't get very far with that. But it was it was an epic epic. Try. So I wanna see you do that. You're in Michigan. Right. It gets cold doesn't it gets very cold. I've thought about doing the thing we get like a vent hose, and you run it out your window, and then putting much what he going directly across the. Across the system. But. I don't know. Well, since it somebody veterans so happy you can't do that until winter. So for the summertime, we need to do is integrate your water cooling loop into your toilets reservoir. Okay. Linus? Porcelain stays surprisingly, cool as anyone who's ever sat down on a toilet. Even in the middle of summer. And it's ass. Pretty sure that was ghetto Mods did that back in the day. Oh, really? I thought Linus video did something with bathroom fixtures and Email. But just see that guy. I mean, it was probably about fifteen years ago when water cooling list put he put an eighty gallon tank, and he buried it in his backyard, and that was his his cooling reservoir, and it just stayed at fifty six degrees all year round. I don't know if you do you remember that at all, and you know, all the tubing and everything like with through window. Wow. It was it was it was insane. If you don't have anyone in the house telling you not to do that. Then. I guess. All right. So that's a three interesting cases. All well. Well, rated by Sebastian. So check out the full reviews at PC per. He's also you've got some some additional ones don't think we talked about even that are that are up there from the last month or so so lots. Lots of case reviews, if you're looking for a case of any kind compact full-size RGB, we got you covered. All right. Let's move on. So into the news this week. We saw Intel make a few announcements they first of often most interestingly, they launched their ninth. Jen mobile parts knife turned core series mobile parts. They had a. I guess it was a a press call last week and then they launched on Tuesday morning. So this is. In a way. It's it's big in a way. It's it's the same old story. This again continues like just like we saw on the desktop side. This is still fourteen nanometers. It's it's what they fourteen Ademir. Plus, plus, plus now, I I think repulses so same underlying architecture, but just like we saw on the desktop bringing additional improvements, including upping the mobile core and thread count to eight cores sixteen threads at the highest end. Which is which is pretty significant. The performance jump on that at a forty five watt TDP is impressive. And let me find the parts. So you can see here's the the the list lineup. They launched their I five I seven to nine a skews. So the top end with nine I nine ninety nine or sorry. I nine ninety eight eighty eight and ninety nine eighty h k of the K being unlocked. Of course, you've got eight. Sixteen threads base clock of either two point three or two point four gigahertz boosting to four point five gigahertz for that unlocked K, part sixteen megabytes of cash forty five watt TDP and then looking further down the line. This is I think important too because when Amdi launched some of the rise in the parts they and and us made the point of saying, well, they're they're all multi threaded because Intel on the desktop has gotten away with her gone into using non multi threading on some skews. But with this generation the all of the parts they've us thus far announced in that. I five I seven to nine range are all multi threaded. So you've got the I five four cores eighth. Threads the sevens at six twelve and base clocks in the low to mid two gigahertz range, boosting into the you know as low as four point one gigahertz and for the I seven up around four point five four point six. So a nice range of performance to start. Obviously, we don't have pricing. Because these are mobile parts. So we've got to wait for the OEM's to get these into their gaming and productivity, laptops. So we'll see we'll see there. But I don't know. It was anyone surprised to see that all the parts were multi threaded or surprised about any of the other any other specs here from worrying that it's an h k. Okay. Don't like my CPA to branded hundred killer already. Okay. Sure. Sure. That's a lot of threats for the top band. So a lot, of course. Yeah. It's a pretty decent boost. But you gotta wonder how to fit in that TDP you'll how often does it hit that with how many cores? Well, so it's going to hit single core at five that's the rated. That's the that's for mobile. Oh, sure. And as we'll see especially with like ACS, which will talk about shortly. They've had to they've kept this in mind in their designs and more and more companies are coming out with more exotic cooling solutions for their laptops, repositioning, the Vance using different types of fans using sort of like, the the max q style lift where you open the lid and the bottom pops down and adds ventilation in the rear. So you know, cooling is concern power draw his concern when when you push these. But how you know having the option at that at that performance level of we'll see we don't have any of these enhanced we have no laptops to test. These this was basically a a paper launch where they gave us the skew or they gave us the the information the their partners are announcing their products, but nothing as far to actually test these. Although again, we kind of know what to expect. Obviously, adding those additional cores, and that addition frequency is going to result in some performance improvement. But like I said we're still operating on the same stuff as eighth and even going back to seventh in terms of the core underlying architecture in terms of graphics. It's still the h six thirty. So nothing new there for the integrated graphics option. So Intel it's good to see that that there's some additional options they've squeezed that additional performance out of the top end. And we'll see how that works in practice. But I think we're we're kind of we're still waiting here for Intel. We don't know when that ten nanometers is actually going to hit or when that next major leap will come. So I don't know what any other thoughts on. This guy's in terms of. The the the performance or the the specs should be nice. I, you know, they're probably going to be decent quality mobile parts, and they'll sell a bunch more of them the name d but it's it's going to be interesting to see when they actually transitioned ten nanometer if that brings any improvements over the really enhance fourteen nanometer other than you know, just getting that dice is down and terms, you know, efficiency and transistor. Switching speed I think the fourteen enemy plus plus plus, plus, plus whatever that is now is is probably gonna be much better than than the initial ten nanometer offerings. But yeah, they're. I mean, they're they're kinda struggling a little bit still in manufacturing. I'm surprised. They didn't have any other contingencies over the past five years than what we see being delivered right now to to get them where you know, they're they still have a process lead over their competition in coming out with their seven nanometer stuff here in the next month or two at least, you know, going to show us, and even though I don't think that am going to get a big performance jump and just pure clock speed. They're going to be able to push out a lot of processors at that small of notice compared to what Intel can do. And so in theory when they're using these multi ship packages IMD can provide a lot more cores still provide good TDP's and power draw. And. You know, be able to produce his much as really they want or as much as TSMC allows them to. Yeah. It's gonna be real interesting. 'cause there is other leaks today about another roadmap for Intel and some of their not consumer type stuff, but other products wouldn't be transitioning to ten nanometer until twenty twenty two which is a long ways away. But you know, a lot of the consumer things I think are going to go ten nanometer a whole lot sooner than what that roadmap kinda specifies. Yeah. So we'll we'll see. We'll be interesting in. I think in terms of like you mentioned Josh not having a backup plan. Obviously there it's pretty it's pretty clear now that they had to start over at some point in their their. The development of their their protest ten nanometers. And this is I think I think this release was planned now implemented them with them realizing that misstep, so I don't think I think this was to be expected. I read some comments unresponsiveness of I can't believe it's another one without, you know, another one that's fourteen will I mean, obviously, this was not expected to be anything than that. But. But as you said, they're sure gotten good at fourteen hundred meters. They've sure figured that out. Very very good fishing. And they've got that down. So so we'll see the interesting name these. These work on their naming muscle books. Oh, yes. Well, I don't know where exactly if that was entirely Intel's doing, but. Yeah. The muscle book product category. Name is little. A little bit. Yeah. I don't know. If you're listening to this. It's worth watching the video just for Jeremy's. Disapproval. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Well, also just quickly staying with Intel. They also announced there. Expansion of ninth. Jen desktop which was also, you know, sort of expected because what they launched last fall was very limited range of products in terms of product segmentation. And so we expected them to launch some additional skews. I don't know. If I expected them to launch this many additional skews twenty-five new options at all the various price points performance points. And if you're looking at the the video here, you can see the we've got a chart here that they gave us the dark. Blue is the lighter blue is what was existing in the lineup in the dark. Blue entries are all the new ones. And so they've got new at the I nine level biscuit every level including now Pentium gold and seller on versions of ninth. Jen parts, they all have various performance levels, obviously different ram support different integrated graphics options. But they all support octane memory as we saw last month. I think it was earlier this month. Intel announced that salary penny. Gold systems would also support octane. So that's continuing here. So if you're into opting any part, you buy is going to work with it but ban, this is this is a lot of market segmentation seems a little a little bit insane. Obviously, there's there's some some product categories. They're that they're hitting some of these parts but twenty five digital skews. So that is a lot of options there. You guys got any thoughts on on the expansion of ninth. Jen core for desktop. I'm wondering what's driving all these skews OEM's does Intel really think that they can they can have such granular cut of the marketplace that they can do twenty dollar. Intervals in between. That's that's just a lot of skews. It says a lot of different branding and packaging and. Do you really get that much out of it? I don't know. That's that's a lot of a lot of big questions in there. And they obviously they they hire people who do statistical analysis and product management and all of that stuff to, you know, come up with these answers. And so it's it's a little strange, and it's almost. It almost causes consumers to get more pissed off. Because. I don't know why. But yeah, it's it's if you look at like, you know, what what's stream these skews. It's couple of bucks. But what I really get. I mean as compared to like, you know, they MD twenty six hundred which is all the threads but much lower clock much lower boost. And then you've got twenty six hundred x for thirty dollars more our much, and you know, you've got faster clocks, and you've got potentially faster over clocking, and you've got unlocked, performance and. All those things. But when you throw twenty five desktops queues at the wall, what what the hell sticks. Yeah. It was a choice is a thing where you just sort of get confused and frustrated and stop doing what you were doing and you'll get Amdi sue got to before skews to choose from very clear. And I don't think many people are budgeting. It's like, oh, I can Ford eighteen dollars more but not twenty five. So I need that extra one in between. It's it seems too much unless there's some sort of a pre-built like Josh other something reason from the OEM's and the manufacturers want this. I mean, I I get that for sure I think that if for somebody who's going to be building their own PC like our audience and the audience, they're probably going to be either buying the five, and I seven I three parts that were announced last fall. There might be interest with this launch at the penny gold because that's a good option for like some of these budget builds or even the salary on in some cases that middle range of all these sort of non K, I three I five skews. I don't know if that's going to be something people would even shop for. I'm not even sure which of these skews is going to be commercially available as a go and buy a new kind of part. And so I think for that market. If it's gotta be the OEM z-. I don't know either either they're asking for it or until it's forcing it on them. Not sure which direction, but at that point, they're they're selling to consumers a PC at at a price level or a performance level. That's not identified by the processor part. You know? Well, this is your your good better. Best kind of segmentation, and they can, you know, they're gonna be volume customers, or, you know, entry entry level consumer parts that you can buy from Dallas HP and stuff like that. So I I don't know if that's going to be confusing to customers because they're not going to be looking at that spec. Or if they do see that spec. They're not gonna notice shop around and compare it. So I don't know. But yeah, it's it's a surprisingly large number and you're right. I think that AMD's market presentation with their simple product lineup is more peeling just from a clarity standpoint. But now muddied the waters. Because they've got the fiftieth anniversary addition twenty seven hundred coming out. Yes. That's right. I know what? It adds. It's a special FOX. Yeah. It's a special box. We sues signed something in there for you. Maybe she going to give you a voucher. If you decide to trade up for the new part that comes in like a month two. But he thinks she is. I know I was like this. The timing seems a little odd. I saw that too. The fiftieth anniversary of AMD is this year. Why not just wait have a very special version of one of the rising three thousand parts with the fiftieth anniversary vox, hey, maybe they will maybe. To make to make it was what April April early may when he was founded fifty years ago. I can't remember. But you gotta have a skew for that date. I don't know. Okay. Anyone here whose attended has a degree in marketing anybody. No, hey, Jim. They'll be like that. All right. Well, share armchair marketing is a vital part of our economy punks effect to real marketing. It it actually it might be. It might be. All right. Let's let's take a look now sort of laid into those Intel Intel mobile announcements a ton of companies, obviously refreshed their laptops with these new nice. Jen parts one of them. I was I got visit that was a Seuss. They had an event in Manhattan last week was less. I've lost track of time recently last week, and they had a full refresh of pretty much their entire gaming laptop line and awesome. Pretty interesting updates. I obviously they're all free touring these new nitrogen into parts, but they've got some new designs and some interesting features that that looked pretty cool. So there's a ton of stuff here. Basically, they've segmented there's zephyr lineup which when the zephyr, I launched it had the weird design if you remember where the the keyboard was in the very front, and it was this very deep laptop. It was just blank space back there for the cooling. And that was their high ends efforts. And then they had a low ends efforts that was more of a traditional liner a mid range suffers now they've got a Heinz efforts Zeph ri-, whatever with the traditional layout. Because that that that initial design was just not practical like, you can't you couldn't take that into a meeting and look like just get away with it would it would look too weird. So now, they've got this zephyr s line which is their top of the line. It's the g x five oh two. It's got ninth. Jen, I seven parts a traditional layout, RGB keyboard and RGB lighting around the edge of the case for the logo and stuff, and they've got calibrated screen options up to two hundred forty Hertz refresh rate up to Arctic twenty seventy graphics to thirty two gigs of ram up to a terabyte of dual to envy me storage us. You can do rate zero. If you if you want, you know, the standard I o kind of stuff because this is an ultra thin or anything. So it's got you know. Several USB ports audio HDMI selection. Parts battery life is better. They say up to seven hours of productivity over the web web browsing. But you know, again, it's a gaming, laptops. You're not buying for all day battery life, but it, but it's not gonna die on within twenty minutes off the charger. So that's good. And then they've also introduced additional mid and lower end, zephyr systems, the G you five to these efforts M G U five to that that just has lower graphics and processor options only up to our checks twenty sixty on that as well. But still thirty years of ram to do undock to envy me support of over look to it almost yet that from the well, so and then if you don't want the garish RGB, these efforts, gene, just is just white white lightning. It's still a lighted logo for the related caller for the logo. But just a nice simple. They called it a subtle more subtle design. And with this one though, it was also the rise and seven seven thirty seven fifty h part for your CPU and up to GT x sixty TI for the graphics. So AMD team red folks, this is an option for you. They've also got Reisen processor options in their tough lineup as well. So nice systems here they've got the scar. In the hero three systems, which are now identifiable except for the color. I believe the scar is black. No, the hero is black. The scar. Is a gray color gun metal grey. And this these ones are cool. They have RGB around the base, and it's not too bad. It doesn't look terrible. It looks. Okay. Surprisingly, kind of kind of nice, actually, if you pick the right colors there. Another key. Interesting feature this called the R G keystone. This is a little fob thing. I guess you'd call it that plugs in and you each have an individual fob that ties to your profile an autumn enables your game per game settings window settings things like us. Refresh rate position of windows things like that. And also can unlock a encrypted hidden storage volume on the drive and their positioning. This is like for east sports teams where the team's share laptops, for vents, which I didn't know was the thing because I'm not in the sports, apparently, that's a thing. And you'd each have key in the no matter what system you walked up to you. Put your key in automatically logged into windows and sets up your windows, and your gaming software with your profiles. So that's pretty cool and this is launching with this series. But they're looking to expand it and looking to also add additional features to make it more useful for home users and prize you schools things like that on an RO g laptop. I don't know if the market is wide there to really take advantage of it. But this is something that they could pioneer. Here and bring to their more consumer or productivity devices as well. It's a nice it's an interesting little kind of security and personalization feature. They there's also the strikes which also features the the lighting around the the base this and the scarring hero were designed in collaboration with BMW design works and BMW's design works teams did the the the new design for these. And then of course, there's the tough series, which as of this year, we talked about this at CS tough is now they're sort of entry level gaming and these feature Reisen parts for the CPU. And they're they're not they're nice notebooks at their at lower prices, but they still kind of maintain that tough durable. Feel and then of course, there's the mothership which they launched CAS, which is just been updated to knife, Jen processors same same specs in almost every other category. This is their pseudo portable monster thing that kind of like a monitor that stands up with the keyboard that pops out very expensive, very powerful kind of a an asp. 'rational product. I'm not sure how practical this would be for most people three half terabyte MD to envy Emmys and raids zero. Yeah, doesn't sound dangerous at all as long as you're using proper data back backups. It's fine. You know, the data. Four. In terms of software. They announced this thing called RG intelligent cooling, which is what they're calling sort of their optimization between hardware and software to elect you as user pick your mode. So for some of those high end Intel parts that we talked about like that the high end k part, you can go to turbo which will let you run it at at beyond stock speeds, but you'll just be loud, and you won't get as much battery life. If you're if you're on battery or you can say, okay, I'm going to the library to study go down to silent performance drops. But it stays cool and quiet, and these are just an on the fly switch that you talk through the ACO software, and that's available on multiple skews, their mother, mothership strikes and zephyr systems. So overall, I I liked the the designs designs in person. I'm not a big fan of gaming, laptops, in general. I think they went a little too crazy with RGB's and the aggressive styling. But all of these seemed they just even though there was GB galore. It didn't seem garish. It seemed almost kinda nice. And it was the materials were were nice in the hand. They were there were sturdy. There's a lot of like sort of carbon fibre kind of style the finishes on some of these nice sculpted edges. Good the vents, look clean. And they just overall almost every system had a very nice clean look to the re-. You wouldn't you wouldn't feel out of place taking it to a board room for a meeting or something? And obviously in terms of the gaming styling. It's still maintains that that RG look the the only thing I had a little reservation about is the bright glowing Acis logo on the on the lid because that is it's bright red his RGB controllable. But by the fall is very bright and very stands out quite a bit. But everything else seemed it seemed pretty nice. These are nice updates. I'm hoping to get some hands on time. We were at a showroom. So we could look at them and touch them, but couldn't really pick them up and walk around. And and and. Them through their paces. So I wanna get a couple of these into review and see how they look, but overall very nice updates from a Seuss offer RG lineup and these are all launching this quarter. So so, you know, check we don't have exact availability. They set a couple of systems would be available today at best buy, but my local best buy did not have them. So I don't know where the roll up plan is there, but you should be seeing these show up shortly. Just if you're not sure which generation are looking at just make sure if it has a knife gentle part, it's one of the new ones. So so be on the lookout for those everybody here using Acer's gaming laptop that they have they this is a pretty radical redesign though, though, we've seen thinner and thinner designs with the max q and that sort of thing the last one I had hands on with kind of resembled a a sports car like the huge rear end in the giant exhaust. Branded Acer, laptops. I think there was Ryan had one in the office. I think there was one in. Okay. I know I had. Guinea didn't he okay? I can't remember laying awhile. Yeah. Yeah. My laptop is what we can blame or book. Until ultra book stop, interrupting me, Jeremy you and your Canadian packets are getting so late. Anger anger. Yeah. No. My laptop is is this kind of one off Intel designed ultra book that. Was a proof of concept. So yeah, I'm so out of the loop in laptops. It's not even funny. There was certainly a period where gaming laptops, went crazy with designs. And there I'm glad to see them bringing it back getting that power. But but keeping subtle Indus quickly. Speaking of that, they're said there were ton of companies that updated their laptops, in terms of who contacted us with their their info, we heard from MSI they had a range of their gaming, laptops. All updated both with nitrogen Intel parts as well. As the new sixteen sixty mobile part, the GT x sixteen sixty for laptops. So that that also launched of this week? So those are available there different models, and you can check out MSI's website for their complete specs and then Acer as well. Of course, updated not only their gaming, laptops. But they're their creative, laptops, the spire series. Which is sort of like, the the art. And designer focused model. So some some good options there if you're Acer fan and good prices starting as low as seven ninety nine for for some of these. But, but yeah, those are the the laptop updates that we saw obviously the ton of others. I know razor do their updates Dell stuff coming out. So so check when you're buying in. If you're in the market for a laptop now, check to make sure you're getting those nights, Jen parts, or if you're if you're not a discount for getting the older stuff for sure, but. Have left for computrac. It's feel like. Many new laptops, just in the last. It's true. It'd be all AMD all the time tax. Yeah. Let's talk it always just Intel could just start another fifteen. Yep. 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But it also added addition to the usual game stuff in this case, it was mortal Kombat, plus a few different games where up support excuse me proved performance the other big feature was that added seven new monitors to videos Jason compatible program. If you don't recall, this is the program where they launched it. I think it's CAS. So a few months ago where you you can use your free sync monitor with your NVIDIA card to get variable. Refresh basically g sank without the G sink in the monitor and you can use it with any free sick monitor. Although they only. You know, approve it in terms of guaranteeing a certain experience with specific displays and they had a list to launch. They've added some over time to that. And with this launch. They've added seven additional displays those are the Acer K G two seven one Acer x f two forty eight Acer x to seventy h hey, open twenty seven eight c one our AC's VG two four eight two four eight two four eight q g gigabyte or s eighty two seven Cutie. That's a big one. Because that's gigabytes think I monitor that they launched the show as well and LG to seventy K seven fifty F. That's those are is letters is this a product list or a vision test both. And didn't use those subtitles. I'm not I'm not I'm not sick. Bigham Gica picker visited them paprika. Dick's and about a detective. Yes, I'm not. Yeah. So you can see the full list. I I'm not sure exactly with Acer in those additional letters. I'm not sure I don't know. Exactly. What differences those indicate it might be regional what they don't seem to matter. If you just search the the first set of letters and numbers, you'll find the the monitor so notice both open and LG are starting to copy them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not not a good trend. There. We need more. Characters around the screen. Yeah. Gigabyte still still rocking. The the at least initially including the product name, you know, the horse brand. So that's that's good for them. Good on them. But check out the list, PC priorities and go to NVIDIA site Invidia has a list of all of the Jason compatible displays that you can see to check their, and you know, it's it's great to see this program continuing. I think we were all oppressive when they announced it in terms of how how dedicated they'd be supporting it and so far they're doing a great job. They've added support for for more and more displays over the the months here of this year, and there's quite a number of Jason compatible displays again, you don't need to have a comp- one that's been certified to use it. You can turn the feature on in your driver as long as you have a free sink display, and it might work and might you know, we we've seen some reports that it works fine on some displays that aren't certified. We've seen. That say there's problems there's flickering and other issues artifacts and stuff, but it's up to you. You can turn it on and test it yourself. So there's no need to wait for G for evidence. Bless your display before you try this. But but yet check that out. It's. Good to see that that that feature expanding in support. So. Everybody thoughts and your thoughts on this on this program or any other features in this new driver this scrolling down the lists on their site in one nice thing is that the monitors. They've picked to be Jason compatible. They all have a pretty wide. Refresh range like the lowest one I'm seeing think is forty eight to one forty four. And we're we have like thirty two one forty four or forty eight to forty so pretty wide ranges where there's a lot of monitors out there that have a very small refresh range those will not be on this list as one of their criteria expanding still. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's I think they just weren't selling as many g sinked displays as they wanted to because it is the sink like, especially when you have a a monitor brand or model that has both of free sinking. Jason option those decent options were so much more expensive than infrequent counterparts. And so this still allows. Nvidia to offer this as a feature and they're still on the GP's. And I think it's it's good. And then plus now, if you if you do go out and buy if you're NVIDIA Carter, you buy a free sink display, and you're able to use this you can then transition to Amdi car down the road and not not be not have to go buy new monitor to maintain support variable. Refresh so pretty cool there. All right, Jeremy's got a story for us on some some news about five G rollouts. Apparently, some comments about all the county. Yeah. Wireless off it is this Jesus been one hell of a launch. So we've already had a team. Oh, AT and T going out it for five G E, which was like five G, but not we've had Qualcomm an apple make up which is just truly shocking. Now because of the way that some of the higher speed five G, which of course, what's being advertised? It turns out it's not even going to be rolled out across entire cities because millimeter wave which is the as opposed to like, the six hundred megahertz and beyond this mostly sits up for long range, transmission, the millimeter wave stuff anything blocked a window will degrade it. A a door will spot block it completely? So you're gonna need line of sight to attack. Our and hopefully hell the bird doesn't fly by it because it is very very sensitive interruption being all millimeter wave carrying your data. So it's looking like when it gets ruled out it will be in certain areas of major cities now the larger what that the larger wavelength. We'll be of course, available as as a four G sort of spread out. You'll eventually see it in rural communities in that. But they'll never see the advertise speeds, we've all been hearing about for five G because all of that was based on perfect conditions on something that really is going to be incredibly limited. You're really not going to get the sort of benefit unless you luck out and are sitting near Peter it also in that was an interesting fact that some of the frequencies that the five G will be working on are also in the water bands. So there's significantly affected by water. And not only is this going to mean that, you know, heavy fog, a dense cloud covers gonna degrade not kill. But grade your signal over over along or long links of distance being travelled. It's going to screw around with weather forecasting because all of. Sun sensors that they're using that are bouncing out and looking for the return of these specific bandwidths are actually going to be receiving five G signal that's being blanketed ubiquitously across the area. And so it may look like a giant storm cloud rolling. Enter a tornado could just be a bunch of people streaming the latest game of thrones on their phone. It's going to be a glee from the looks of it like we've got some benefits out of it. But overall five G is going to be really really interesting to sell and at this point. There is a phone that if you buy an adapter for it loo- five G, and if you're really I don't know of any others only knows that there's at one modeled even after for it's an g. And other than that. You're not gonna find a network supporting five G unless you are within with areas of which Hawaii was one I think there's a couple other US cities as well as you cog on here. Yeah. So I think it's gonna be a nasty rollout. That's that's interesting because you know, so much is being. Pegged or you know, so much as relying on five G in terms of features and services and technologies that are in the works have been promised. I mean, everything from Google stadia and things like that. You know, the game streaming to the videos that you mentioned getting gamma thrown kicks to you know, remote surgery surgeries for for doctors. Everyone's saying five G five G five G, if it's not going to be if there are problems, or if if the super fast, you know, what we think of his five at super fast super low latency speeds are only available in tiny pockets. You know, if there's going to be a lot of readjusting a lot of a lot of investments that are gonna feel it. They don't pan out. He's going to be a little bit better than four G for the most part from the looks. Of course, we don't have it. I had a little cracked. I have a vision of five G drones. Just following people around like your own little micro site is a drone that's about three feet. Above your head, the satellite dish on it. And it's just providing you with your band with wherever you go. But their personal area network to to an extra. Just forego. The wireless connection. For reliability though, just have a cord dangling down into strictly attached to you somewhere on your ego. And they'll need that because we'll be so fixated on our phones, we'll continue to walk into traffic. He'll even be worse than it is now. So the court you're actually back when you when you take a wrong step. So, unfortunately, it's location is on five G. And so as the cars, so yes, all buildings Italy. Definitely. Yeah. It'll be a whole new meaning to the word dead zone. All right. Let's see we've got one last story. Here. Think I got the tabs out of order hearing something else derby found for us. So some new capacities for microalgae cards Lexa one terabyte. It's a demo. You're not allowed to buy it. But yeah, it is one terabyte in your normal ST C form factor. And if you look on it, you can see that aid to which you may remember too so years ago, also dug into what all of these classes mean and there there's more than you might think. So this is a two or a class ten because you have to have two names for everything now, which means you're guaranteed four thousand random read two thousand ups random right and about ten megabytes of sequential. Right. Which is good. Because you know, if you've got a terabyte you're going to be filling it up with HD St.. Off they they're sort of describing as about a half a million pictures or eighty days of recorded video again on this thing's ties of your thumbnail. It is wild and wacky considering how much used to have to pay for even one hundred twenty eight or two hundred fifty six gig one. That's how much do we have to pay for this? Well, it's if you have to ask now, right? No how they're thinking about release going. So that's going to how you tail for how much McKean four hundred eighty gig ones looking at right now, they're, you know, slightly under two hundred bucks. I think. Yeah. There we see fifty cents. So last time I looked. Hundred forty for a Samsung five hundred twelve gigabyte, but does not have the same speed ratings is nowhere near well. Those three zero three. So it's not bad. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's going to be hard to justify that with a being, you know, a professional videographer. Well, for now, I mean, nobody likes having eighty gigs worth of or eighty hours rhythms into. Data monitoring going on around them. Well, they need something to record all those eight cave logs that that they'll be shooting on their their Snapdragon ten series smartphones. So streaming over five G to someone else. Not too far away though. 'cause the networks only about a square mile, but awesome. We'll keep an eye on on Lexa. And I'm sure others. I'm sure Samsung and others will be hot on their heels at those capacities. So I think that's it. I think that's the the last news story for the show. So let's jump into our picks of the week just need to pull Sebastian's up here because he got his in late s-. He's late. He's always late. Okay. So so my pick as Jeremy indicated is is interesting. And I'll I'll explain so first of all this pick was recommended to me by Brett who is friend of the site and our web developer who has been working tirelessly for weeks to our new site up. So he said this over it's a Micron SSD sat SST so not the fastest. If you recall Allen, reviewed you didn't review this capacity. But I I don't believe, but he reviewed this class drives year or so ago, they're not very fast, but they're cheap. And this is a four terabyte SATA SST for four hundred thirty dollars. It's over at OWCP. They have occasionally. They'll have sales on third-party products that they have in stock. And so that's at four hundred thirty four terabytes that's a little bit less than the equivalent for terabyte drives like the Q L C drives from Samsung, and the the what's the other brand that has that sandisk so Western Digital Santa's. So there are some four terabytes SSD's out there in the five hundred dollar range. So this is a little bit cheaper than the ones I've seen so again, not super fast, but it's going to be faster than a spinning disk for sure. So if you're looking for sort of if you need like a mass drive, just dump your game files on or video files, and you want them to perform a little bit better than spinning our drive. This is one of the best prices. I've seen it at this capacity for this drive. And we we use the two terabyte version of this. We used it as a steam cash drive in our. S if you were called back in the old days before the Intel exodus can canonize set up a steam cash on one of our Nasr's at the office little article on it, and we were using the two terabyte version of this to store cash miles worked fine. You're still getting several hundred megabytes a second of speed low latency in terms of compared to spinning drives. So that's the Micron four terabyte SATA SSD for about four hundred thirty dollars over at ODBC. All right next up. We've got Jeremy I'm not really under driving games there. There is somebody who is and they did a review of this. And gave it white good marks. And I happen to notice that it's on sale for fifty percent off with the wheel and the foot pedals. So if you're looking for dumping into Josh's little which one are you doing right now to rally to point on, but he's got a league going. So if you need to upgrade requirement was something that's not super top of the line. But is really good for two hundred fifty Canadian gets about to fifteen or so American right now, I it means you can get in there without a huge investment. I think your son. Your son is for sale for one hundred eighty to a couple of weeks ago here in Amos amid from Amazon. Amazon. All right. So good wheel. Yeah. And check out Josh's review will link the review as well. When we post the show notes looking to this. So check out Josh's reviews, and this is the Logitech g twenty nine driving force racing wheel. And this is these is for yes, they have because of the different control schemes, they have PC slash XBox and PC's slash PS three PS four ver variants. So this is the PS with the PlayStation and PC version, so. So it'd be aware that if you wanna use it on your console as well. All right. Josh what have you got for us? You know, this was brought to my attention today. It's an interesting kind of product, it's a battery pack. It's what fifty six seven hundred million times. It's also a ST card reader that you can plug in a a storage drive to whether it's an SST or Spinney or whatever. So if you're on the road, you're target for your recording videos, you're doing outdoorsie stuff, and you've got your hero pro or whatever and you want to quickly transfer that SD card to a drive you can use this. It's also wireless, it does pretty damn much everything if you were going to a conference, you're taking a ton of pictures, and you want to you know. That kind of functionality. It does damn near everything. It's it's kind of bizarre. It's all in one thing that as battery in transfer ability in wireless and. It's nuts media share who would have thunk, and it's only sixty bucks. It's what does a ton of things. I'd be interested to see this action and everything he can do. But you know, for not a whole lot of money. You have a ton things that that this little product will do and Juliet fries. Well. With that, dude. No power banks just plug in your USB power, Jillian and away you go. Yeah. A no-brainer. And four and a half stars assuming you can trust the reviews still four and a half stars out of five with one hundred twenty reviews on this product. So. So we're checking out the wrath power file hub travel router, wireless SD card reader connected. Deportable SSD hard-drive. I think I know does all kinds of crap. It's weird. We got rid of that that zone where too many companies are trying to game SEO by putting unrelated putting like products features in the product name. It's getting out of hand out of hand Amazon. This it seems like everything has that. There's like thirty or forty words, and it's a wireless charging pad. And then it gets to the point where they wanna get like, it's something for iphone seven or eight but not ten or tennis. And so they'll put in the product in because they want to get those searches to not ten asks in in apprentices or something. One point font. Yeah. Yep. All right. Well smashing. What have you got for us? Not very exciting. That hardware. It's audio book. I finished listening to just yesterday journey to the center of the earth. So not exactly a new book. It's the Jules Verne classic. This one was read by Tim curry, there's more than one version on audible, this is fantastic. I have not heard an audio book read read by Tim curry before. And he is just remarkably good. He made a lot more engaging. I think it otherwise would have been. So if you have any interest at all if you've ever done, like an audible trial or anything like that. It's there's some stuff on there. Where kinda transcends your typical book on tape kind of format does not have music does not have sound effects. But you kind of wouldn't realize that listening through it because he's obviously if you know, Tim curry at all very, very distinctive voice does your voices. He's very good at building an Tissa. Haitian? 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This is a REALLY bad take  - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

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This is a REALLY bad take - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

"Cleese. Where's my dog and welcome to the wear show? Ladies and gentlemen we've got a fantastic show planned for you guys today everything from. Let's see. Actually hold on a second. What do we have today? All right we've got hey, a large da Danish retailer coming out with the straight goodies. Get it. Oh. It's Danish. Gets the Danish. That's a type of here. You know what? It doesn't matter. The point is they've got some statistics showing the death of the artifacts three, thousand series supply shoes and. I believe the word for this is off as the. Big Big off. We've got some alleged Rx sixty, eight, hundred x t benchmarks dented at that that. What else we got Luc what's our headline topic? Are Headline Topic is I think I don't actually know the title is but I think it's talking about some some spicy tweets about the streaming industry and where the how the money should be flowing in that industry but also. Intel sold there nance storage unit. Yeah. This is crazy and I didn't actually see like a ton of people really reacting to this, but that's actually nuts. Yeah. I think that part of it might be because this was like a a long time in the making there is a whole well. We can talk a little bit more about it later but Intel has been sorted tepid on the whole Nand flash thing for quite some time just like I'm tepid on continuing this video without first rolling the intro. Smooth. Thank. That moment when when show starts so late. that. Other show we deal with the. Live. Better I see comments on foot because. Just. No tackling tackling does not live for the day. So there you go. All right. All right why don't we jump right into our big topic for the day walk us through this people keep giving me a hard time about doing all the talking on show I have gotten so many comments and so many tweets about this over the last probably month or so. But the problem is every time I'm like, Hey, luke, do you WANNA walk us through this one? He just like? Doesn't say anything because busy running flow plane over there. or he says like two things and then just like waits for me to weigh in so I'm going to say nothing you're going to give us your whole take on this I'm going to zip my lips and stop talking in a moment I just I get this momentum going and it takes a stop. So I'm saying still. Roland. I won't. So before I get into it I will I will say that it has been it has become much harder to do the CO host the role. Since we became remote 'cause it's a lot harder to read body language and do all that other kind of stuff to make sure that I'm like inserting the right time is also a certain amount of discord lag makes it a little bit more difficult to like knowing when I should start it when I should stop talking so that's a big part of it. It's not all online is for sure but you can't see the sunscreen but. Alex Hutchinson or at Bang Bang Click on twitter. Went for some spicy takes recently, that was very, very noticed online. His original noticed very noticed very noticed twenty twenty. It got a lot of. When you tweet gets five point, one, thousand comments but only seven point nine, thousand likes you did something. Might not be something. And Win The follow tweet tha that gets eighteen thousand comments and still only five point one, thousand likes you know you didn't do something. Great. His take starts with streamers worried about getting their content pulled because they've used music which context for this there was a lot of DMCA takedown emails came from twitch. About People's back catalogue music being used back catalogue that went out very recently is something we we knew was coming. We've talked about this on the show in the past, but the action really happened very recently. So again, he's astronomers worried about getting the content because they use music they didn't pay for should be more worried by the fact that they're streaming games they didn't pay for as well. It's all gone as soon as publishers decide to enforce it. When. He follows that up with the real truth is streamers should be paying the developers and publishers of the Games they stream. They should be buying a licence like any real business and paying for the content they use. This is interesting. I people aren't going to like this I don't. Disagree with him in all scenarios I. Think it should be up to the publisher and I think basically any publisher that tried to enforce that way would be an idiot. And we have experienced this in the past we saw it with Tengo. would. You say, sorry sorry I had sorry. I had something really stupid cotton my throat their. Nintendo, yeah exactly. So I think. In. The past and it was stupid and everyone hated it and the viewers hated it and the streamer stated it and it was bad for Nintendo in a long ways Tony and they've they've eased up on it in in more recent years and it has been significantly better for the viewers and the streamers and Nintendo like it is just holistically better for everyone. There are some scenarios where I questioned how real that would necessarily be games that are extremely narrative focused. Yeah. Basically walking simulator games pretty much. The whole experience can be had by watching it and in those scenarios. Those developers might not want people stream it and I think they should have the right to be like Y- I. Don't want you to stream my game. That being said having the right and should do. And his verbiage here is talking about like something that will happen as if it's inevitable and he says, specifically, they should be buying a licence I do not believe that game streamers should be buying a license and I think twenty twenty of any year is a great example for why that shouldn't be games that are popping off our fog is among us those games would not have popped off if it wasn't for streamers and perfect hardline evidence for that is among us. Among US didn't launch immediately become popular whistles drink two years ago. Wasn't it? Yeah. Among us a long time and was irrelevant. Little game, but it had like I think peaks of like two hundred concurrent players, and now it has peaks of like Oh. My God everyone including like American politicians and the biggest youtubers and also the biggest which stars. It that game was made by streamers like the success of that game. Sorry was made by streamers. So the take is is is bad but it becomes a lot more interesting when you look into. Who Alex Hutchinson and. When you look into the way, he is operating and using things. Does in a moment I wanna I wanNA do one. With you. Okay. Okay. Hold on. At this is a skill, I have I can name silent. My favorite thing which was pointed out by Jack Septic, I. I didn't recognize this at first the cover photo or whatever you WanNa, call it the banner photo that he has on twitter. For savage. Planet. That is some game that he worked on. Except the cover photo is of Jack Septa. Guy. It's a fan art. It's not his Alex doesn't own that. The person in the photo is supposed to be Jack Septa guy in the game and what is cut off what is cropped off and no it doesn't just not show up because twitter squished it. If you click on the photo, it is still not there but you can see Three little lines that come up from it is the signature of the person who drew the fan art. There is no attribution and no credit given to the person who the So does his opinion only go as far as music and games does not reach into the realm of of. Of of art in the form of something drawn I'm not sure but he is also. Creative director at S G E Montreal studio. It used to say in his twitter bio it used to say something different it used to say creative director at Google Stadia and has been updated since this all happened I'm not necessarily sure why But yeah, it was updated. Sorry. Arkan go. So I'm going to jump in and agree with you. Know I can't because the problem is that the way copyright law works and the way that it should work is that you own the rights to how your content is used. So a perfect example of that is that if someone were to make a make a video, let's say they download our review of the artifacts thirty eighty and they play it back and they're like, Oh wow, this is some really good bureau footage. And like you know what my thirty eighty is sitting in my rig over there I don't feel like pulling it out and getting camera I'm a I'm a used this to supplement my content. Now depending on how they do that, how they utilize the footage do they leave in my commentary? Do they credit it do is their work transformative enough? Does it affect? What are what are the four pillars of fair use? Again there's Action. fair use Here we go. So the purpose and character of your use what's it for? So if it's for, you know educating the public about the dangers of this linus tech tips character then that would be something that would be considered. Important for public interest and therefore more likely to be to be to fall under fair use the nature of the copyrighted work. So that's where you get into the style of the game. You could even make the argument that certain styles of game. Are inherently covered by fair use to play them. I would make the argument that yeah, go ahead. So I was thinking about this and I and I strongly agree and I think a lot of multiplayer competitive games especially, things like shooters yet would totally fall under that and among us and fall guys are examples of contact probably. The participants among us I think it's just a such a prime example. The participants are the content. There's all this is like uh, setting it's kind of. It's kind of like making the argument that you know because you exist in this building whoever the builder of it is architect of it is you know owns the the work that you do in it the the the film that you make in it it's like, no, no. Actually the content is the interaction between these people on the spaceship that are trying to fix it or or not. The third pillar is the amount and sustain US substanti- -ality. Of the portion taken. So if you take just a little bit versus like like you might do in a review. So David from our team did a review of last of us to where yeah he does a lot of gameplay footage, but it's not just the amount. It's the substantially of it. So is it a lot of game play footage of wandering around or did he just make up of every story scene and then uploaded? So that, you don't have to buy the game that's where you get into that one, and then that ties in really nicely with pillow number four, which is the effect of the use upon the potential market for the original art. So once again, depending of game. Yeah. Among us is a key example of something where honestly streaming, it can do pretty much nothing but get people amped on this game and wanting to play it and the only way to play it legitimately is to buy it. Very, very, very difficult to make an argument that streaming among US reduces sales there is games where it would be very easy to make an argument that streaming game does reduce sales hundred not that common. I'd say, but it is definitely a thing and there are there are games where if I was a publisher for a lot of those games, honestly I would still want them streamed. It's tough though it's really tough, but it is tough if I can totally understand someone not having that opinion if I was a developer for a really really rich story driven single player experience game where I went out of my way to not embedded it with a bunch of micro transactions in crap and I released this game for a fair price you know, let's say twenty, nine, ninety, nine for this game. I'm a pretty small development studios. Okay and a whole bunch of streamers get out there. You know the day before launch with their pre release copies pretty much upload? The game skipping through the boring parts and into these like four. A four part. Four one hour videos uploaded to you to part one part two part three part four. Okay. Now moved onto my next thing, they're doing nothing in the long term actually promoting the game they've just basically uploaded my game to youtube and the reviews are great but my sale suck. I would be really choked because that's the type of game that people claim to want people say, Oh, you know what happened to gaming? Why is everything micro transactions? Why is everything multi-player only what happened to what happened to long deep single player narratives? Well, that's something that could very well be what happened to long single player narratives and also money but. But. That is a factor and ignoring that factor I think is not looking at the bigger picture in a fair manner. Yeah and I think his take on it was terrible and I think the entire industry has has told him that time and time again at this point. And and hopefully someone who's a creative director at A. freaking gaming studio and had at least something to do with stadia despite no longer being in his bio. Yeah. I would hope that he would understand that and it genuinely concerns me for the future of the Games that he has any opinion on their development of that he. Thought and or thinks that way. But ultimately, I don't think that is a common opinion in the industry if you look at how this is actually being dealt with by actual people. A lot of streamers are paid to play games not the other way around around and it's like it's laughable right to say that Oh, well, you know you should license the game and then you know the developer should. So you should pay to license the game and then the developer should pay you to play it like. Pulling money out of my right pocket to put in right pocket and you pull it out of your left pocket to put it in my left pocket like why are we? Why? Why replaying this virus doing this dance? It doesn't make any just inflating a bunch of payment processors takes for no reason. which is like personally offensive to me but that's a different conversation you one hundred percent but like it's yeah, it's it's silly. It's a bad take A. One thing that I that I would suggest to take from this is like if you do watch a streamer and they are playing a very net a narrative heavy. Single, player game. Yeah. That doesn't necessarily look like it's it's mechanics or its action or anything like that are really what make it good and what makes it good is the fact that you're you're basically like watching an interactive movie. Maybe, trying to find a way to support. By. Some bits spat day made maybe by that game that day that might. I, some merch even a lot against. A soundtrack or assured or something like try try to throw something towards those developers because. I can I can definitely feel sympathy for that and I love those types of games. Sometimes I don't know one other things games whatever. So yeah. Also, I just realized that he worked on my least favorite assassin's creed game ever. Thanks Buddy. How about that? So tank master in the Youtube Chat says, the problem is streamers aren't protected by the EU A. They're actually breaking the terms of service the way game Mulas are written currently, and that is a good point. But the problem is that there's the legality and then there's the morality and then there's the court of public opinion. They're sort of like multiple facets to any kind of decision like this from a legal point of view Nintendo was right That's our Mario sprite and no, you may not monetize it. Like they weren't wrong. But. They were stupid. You know. So from Lake, from a moral standpoint going after people that are honestly not making a ton of money you know people like speed runners or level designers or like. Yeah the kinds of the kinds of, and again, that comes down to those four pillars. Right speed running a game does not have nearly the effect on the potential market for the product as playing it properly having someone sit and watch it. You could make that argument the. And and then there's the there's also the court of public opinion where you can do these things and you might be legally and maybe even morally correct but people are going to hate you for it and at the end of the day, you're a business that relies on the bill of your customers. So maybe you just better not do that. Now the problem with fair use I actually, we had a really interesting fair use conversation in our community this week what happened was man when was it? I have a stream Called, addressing the drama from about one thousand years ago I. Think Addressing the drama. It was at least a year ago streamed a year ago. All right. So a year ago we had an issue where smaller Youtuber was issued a copyright notice to be clear that it's not the same thing as a copyright strike. So there was no effect on their channel. But what happens is if you're issued a copyright notice, it means that some other entity whether it's like a a music label or another youtube or a movie Movie House. Some other entities said Hey your video contains my copyrighted content. So you need to let me monetize that video, but it's okay you can leave it up and there's no there's no strikes on your channel. It's not going to get deleted or anything, but that's actually my content and you need to give me the money. So what happened was we issued through R. M.. C. N. A. Copyright notice to a smaller Youtuber for some game player. Actually, it was benchmark footage that included in their video. Now, we dug into what happened. It was not something we did maliciously and it was not something that we did manually or on purpose at all, and what happened was our threshold for recognizing our video clips. So we enable the feature through our. Multi Channel Network that will look for our footage and other people's videos and claim against it because we've had big problems in the past with people just re uploading videos to these Rando no-name channels and it's actually a lot of my time personally to take those down like I have to go fill out a whole form and when I have to do like. Six or eight of them the day like it's it's very time consuming and I'm sure you guys would rather me to spend my time making videos rather than taking down other people's re uploads of them. So we enabled this feature but what happened was the threshold was set very low I. think it was set to about fifteen seconds of match and so. It grabbed benchmark footage like screen cap, a benchmark that they also used and claimed it. Now, all it was a matter of doing was saying, Hey, guys what's up and we said Oh sorry about that reverse the claim all you have to do is dispute the claim it'll send a notification back to whoever claimed it we got that all sorted out and We. Changed our threshold to a minute. Now what happened this week was another youtuber in this case, it was adored TV, uploaded a video and the the ironic thing about it was that I think probably from his perspective was that his video used a chunk of our video as sort of like validation that his take was correct. It was a it was a clip of me agreeing with him, and then I think what happened was he got this notification oh by the way. Linus Media Group Inc actually full screen INC has claimed this content because it contains. You know however long I think it was fifty seven seconds or whatever it was of copyrighted content from this video from Leonard Media Group Inc. I. Forget exactly what the wording of the notice that he got was but apparently not being familiar with this wording he thought or like with this process, he thought that we had manually claimed the video and we're taking his Taking his revenue and what happened anyway the point is I. found out about it. We got it dealt with in about ten minutes. It's all sorted out. We had some twitter feuding and we're good now. So water under the bridge. But what was really interesting about this whole ordeal was that it raised some really interesting conversations about what exactly is fair use and how does it work? A lot of people seem to think that it was as simple as. When people thought that this was mu manually claiming his money like I don't know what the APPS on it would be like sixty dollars by the time I had looked at it like it didn't have a ton of us yet I'll definitely worth the drama. There I need that sixty dollars that badly I really do. And to be clear once it's reversed it all goes back to the original creator I don't keep any of it even if it was like claimed by me for two hours or whatever So people seem to think that this was like me being evil and not understanding fair use like Linus. This is clearly fair use. The thing about fair use is that it's actually not cut and dried. Four. Pillars not for for things you can argue in court basically yes and you actually when I'm glad that you mentioned I'm glad you mentioned arguing court because the way that it works is you actually have to argue these things and there's no clear measurement. What people had all kinds of thoughts how fair use worked? Well, it was a minute content, but it was only four percent of the total video because it was a much longer video. Therefore, it's fair use. No that's not how that works. Or people said, will he wasn't saying anything mean about Linus so it's fair use which again no. Seeing something mean it would probably be easier to place it as a review and you'd probably get by with it. Almost more easily in in the eyes of a jurors. Well, it depends because if it was defamatory than you could make the argument that. Its effect on the potential market was very negative because he's effectively attacking the opinion of someone who lives and dies or the reputation of someone who lives and dies by their reputation. So but that's what that's what it is. That's why it actually doesn't matter how much of it was or all these arbitrary things that people seem to have latched onto as. What def- definitely make something fair use fair use is an argument. It is not a set of rules. So the purpose and character of use the nature of the copyrighted work, the amount and substantial portion taken and the effect on the potential market for the original work and remember to that fair use like these guidelines as far as I know are just based on United States copyright laws. They are not necessarily applicable in every jurisdiction around the world. So you could very easily be infringing on the Copyright of some developer in Lithuania or something to be clear I know absolutely nothing about Lithuanian copyright law but fair use might not necessarily apply if somehow they managed to get you dragged into a Lithuanian legal proceeding, it might not go well for you I don't know how they do that. Maybe you have a stopover in Lithuania on the way to wherever it is you're flying wants the world returns to normal, but the point is. extradited. The point is. Fair use is not as simple as people seem to think that it is the very fact that you are a game streamer and therefore streaming games is fair use it no. Not, to the law, but in the same way that you would have to make your argument to a court about why what you're doing is fair use whoever is defending their copyright would have to make an argument to a court about that. It is not fair use, which is why as we saw with that whole h three h three thing that went down a couple of years ago. Now think it was this kind of legal proceeding can get very long very drawn out and very, very expensive which is why it's far better. So back to what the law is versus what you should do, it's far better to just not put this much work and money into doing nothing but. Off Your customers and just let people game stream. So that's why Alex Hutchinson's take is bad not because he's wrong but because it's a bad dumb take, it's just stupid and a lot of the verbiage that he used was. Him saying. What what people should do Not, not. Not Not what is entirely within their rights or? Like they're capable of he's like, no this is how it should work Blah Blah Blah and the that's really dumb So that was bad take and and that's why it was so bad I think he could have gotten what I'm hoping was his point across in a different way if he didn't use that type of wording I also think it is truly hilarious that he isn't a attributing the artists for his for his cover photo that that is like that really makes this whole thing like so much worse in the fact that Jack Septa guy posted that. I sure he saw. Jackson is post I. DOUBT IT Jacks guys. He's a pretty small figure in the gaming space. It's probably never heard of him. The fact that he hasn't responded and like I don't know apologize just change it quiet changed. You don't want to own your mistake fine. Quietly change it then do something. Why is it still there? Do you remember remember high said like it it it had a lot of traction but didn't have like the interaction. You'd want US pointing out to like comments or likes and stuff just. Yeah Basically Jacksonville Guys Post Gut forty eight thousand likes his five point one. Yeah. Just posted on a yeah, I. Think it was pokey main was just like I'm just put this here so that you can see how badly you're going to get ratios or something like that. God probably blew up. Oh lordy. Oh so dumb I only learned that term today by the way. Oh really. Okay Ratios. I learned from this and I was like Oh. That makes sense. That's that's funny. I've seen that happen before I'm glad we have a word for that. You know what else? Glad you have a word for. Our sponsors. Wrong thing you know what I'm just I'm just GONNA, leave it there out even care anymore honey honey sponsored the show today. So I can tell you all about their browser extension that helps you find the best promo codes. 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On that subject why don't we talk about who dumped this one in the dock anthony posted this in the dock a large Danish retailer going by the name of pro shop has released statistics for the next thirty series sales and the orders that they've shipped and let me put it this way. It doesn't look promising. It broke. Brocchi. Pro Shop ordered sixteen skews for each class of GPA from a seuss, MSI gigabyte and INA Three D., and here the statistics as of October twenty second, which was yesterday. Pro Shop ordered two thousand twelve units of that three hundred and nine have been delivered or incoming, which is a fulfillment rate of. Fifteen percent. Three hundred twelve unfilled orders with one hundred sixty one delivered to customers making for a delivery rate of thirty four, percent sixty, five percent if you count the confirmed incoming cards, but those have not technically shipped to customers yet in spite of the fact that these cards have been available for weeks. For the architects thirty eighty. Wow, that's thirty ninety. They've only three hundred and nine to pro shop. Okay all right. Wow, that's a lotta. GPU? How people that many people? Fifteen hundred dollar grass-court. Okay. Sorry. No wondering video has enough money to buy arm. Artistes thirty eighty pro shop says the ordered nine, thousand and ten. And have received eight, hundred, seventy one including those which are incoming fulfillment rate of nine point, seven percent they have. flukes laughing. He's reading ahead of me here. Thousand seven seventy two. unfilled. Orders. And have managed to deliver only five, hundred, four, two customers a delivery rate of twelve percent or twenty percent. If we count the confirmed incoming cards now they've even put Artie thirty seventy numbers in here, which is interesting because architects thirty seventy has not launched and the embargo hasn't lifted yet, but they apparently pre-ordered four, thousand, three, hundred and thirty I mean they might as well of pre-ordered forty thousand frolic matters like they're only going to get over many get. They only got two, hundred and six. Counting those that are incoming. Four point eight percent fulfillment baby. Doing well. So these early figures indicate that invidious stock situation may not have improved since. The delay of the architects thirty seventy and it's funny because that was like. Why are they said they were delaying the are thirty seventy so that they could get more stock. And again, the funny thing is like our thirty seventy is a completely different GP like it's not even a one, zero two, it's G. Who I don't know if there's public information. Tech Tower up says it is. One of four. I think not tech power. That let's find someone who says it is video cards. Dot Com. Says the Thirty Seventy Mobile Day. Okay. Video cards dot net I just need someone I can sight here. Yeah. Video cards dot net says that the thirty seventy. Four GPO go. So. It's a completely different GPU now. Is, built on the same eight nanometer Samsung process according to video cards, dot net here see. that. was on there. See look look it's on there. Eight nanometer process. Okay. Right there. Plane as plain as the nose on my face and that's that's a substantial sized knows loop. Let me tell you. And so it's you could argue that. You could argue it two ways you could say, okay well, I can see why they can't deliver any thirty eighties because they're busy shipping all the. Is Thirty nineties, which cost twice as much or whatever And, then you say with thirty seventy while there's no excuse because all the good. Force to just go straight into thirty seventies but the thing is because it's built on the same process node from. Samsung however much. Eight nanometer fridge they've managed to get booked is pretty much the bottleneck for how many of these cards total they can actually build. So what I think this is just a guest. This is total hot and it may be just as bad as the one from Alex Hutchinson earlier but probably not. What I think is that INVIDIA delayed the launch of thirty seventy so that they could build up inventory. Of the Thirty Eight, thirty ninety. I don't think that they've been beavering away building up inventory of thirty seventy because if I was INVIDIA and I had. Any fabs. FAB, allocation I've say you print 'em thirty ninety s baby. You print them thirty nine he's real good and then if you print a bad one yeah, we're GONNA ship that as a thirty, eighty ship as many of these as we possibly can cause. A architects thirty seventy is supposed to be let me just make sure SRP. Blah Blah Blah according to. Tom's guide, it's going to be five hundred dollars making it. Are, far far smaller transaction from media standpoint. Now, because you want to maintain a good relationship with your customers, you definitely do WanNa ship some of these I can just see why they wanted to give themselves a little bit of time. It is pretty clear to me at this point that invidia went super aggressive on their three thousand pricing knowing full well that they were not going to be able to ship enough of them just as a gigantic. To Sony Microsoft and amd because there is no reason why they couldn't have charged twenty percent more for these thirty percent more for them. You can see it people are paying that price on Ebay people are desperate for something to finally run their games faster and it's been so long if you're a high end consumer. that. They could have pretty much charged whatever they wanted for them but it's very clear that they came in at these prices knowing they weren't going to have enough out of the gate because they wanted to put pressure on their competition and the problem is that if I'm Invidia, I can't launched them at a high price today and then drop my price six weeks later, eight weeks later when the new consoles launch or when amdi launches a competitor because then I look reactionary. So invidia pretty much had to shoot themselves in the foot to avoid shooting themselves in the face. If You Think about it from like a thousand foot strategic view. I kind of feel bad for Jensen. I mean. Not really because I think he has a new leather jacket for every day of the week. I. Think Pretty Difficult Person Feel better. Financially kitchen cost as much as my house but. It's a nice catch. You see in the kitchen, the oven dude. You just just the just looks like the marble backdrop to the oven carved by by ancient by reams named. I think just that make us as much as like I don't know definitely my apartment. All right. Now, something to bear in mind about all of these figures is that in videos is that Europe has largely gotten the short end of the stick with respect to our three thousand series allocation apparently allegedly, and it's important to keep in mind that Denmark. itself is relatively tiny with a population of just five point eight, million as of two, thousand nineteen but the orders were placed. I, don't know if that's very relevant. It's relevant. It's relevant. Area be relevant versus the orders placed. because. I what I can tell you is that coming from a retailer in a relatively small region because compared to China or the US Canada is relatively small. Absolutely the kinds of orders that we would place would be very different from what someone like a new egg would place. So in the same way we might order. Okay. So let's look at pro shop. So Canada was A. Hold on a second. I'm getting teams messages here. Bug Me Monday please don't message right now it. Is the whole win show. Smiley face. Okay. So. Canada right. So we might order five thousand units of our thirty ninety. We might try to backorder five thousand units by comparison someone like a new egg might have. Eighty thousand units on order. Totally different scale. So I think that would affect. So you think that would affect the fulfilment rate of those orders though I think that I think that it can have a weight because if because here's what you gotta understand. In the event that all of a sudden invidia suddenly magically figures out there production and they actually ship you two thousand us you have to be able to sell them. Right. So there's a number of factors at play here. One is how many you order to indicate your? What you think, you can sell right how many invidia actually thinks you can sell and remember that they. They have a ton a ton of historical data to go on because these are retailers they'll have been working with for Years Board partners that they've been working with for years and even going back to win when I was in the business. This is not the kind of thing that invidia will just leave to their board partners like a suicide Gigabyte Three D. invidia particularly right at launch is going in and hand allocating based on who they think can actually move the inventory who they think is strategically more important from like a like a marketing invisibility standpoint I was I was actually I was going to try to bring that up because I bet you despite this literally happening and this is evidence that is going to be against what I'm going to say I, would suspect the. American slash North American crowd would probably be a little bit more screechy about these types of problems that a lot. demographics. On allocate them a little bit more because of that, and even within a region, you might find particular customers that are going to be louder and more upset and or. Make more sense to support like your system integrators. INVIDIA. Has Long in stories history of making sure that system integrators who rather than making selling you know. One Card are selling an entire gaming experience to who is effectively an invidia customer at the end at the end of the day. You can make the argument that those are those are more important. Those are more timely because whoever's ordering an individual card presumably already has a graphics card of some sort whereas someone ordering a full system actually have a functioning system. So there's all kinds of factors that come into play when they're deciding how to do these things I remember one of them being. I can't remember what hard this was. and. Whatever? Whatever Andy I signed IT NCIS I can't imagine still applies but. I remember this one time when I think this was in the Fermi days. So this would be. was it four eighty or something like that? Maybe it was maybe it was two, eighty five I. Don't remember it was a period of time we're in video was not particularly competitive. And what they essentially wanted us to do. must've been must have been two eighty to eighty five. I'm sorry I. IT escapes me when exactly it was. It was a time when Invidia wasn't particularly competitive in the mid range and they basically were like. You can order you're allowed to order one hundred of these like cards everyone wants but you have to take like six hundred of these ones that like nobody wants. And I was like. Okay but like how am I going to sell six, hundred, ninety, six, hundred gases or whatever? I. Don't I don't remember what it was I. Really wish that I did because I was like, how on Earth Am I. Going to move these lake you guys know Bakken. NCIS like we we would sell we would buy unit count we would sell more of an eight hundred dollar Graphics Card Than Eighty Dollar Graphics Card because it just wasn't our business meanwhile, the best buy right down the street would sell twenty two one of that eighty dollar card versus eight hundred dollars card it's just different customers, different expectations we I worked. At that best buy street, we did not move the expensive cards like ever. Exactly it collected dust. Exactly. So I remember that sometimes allocation of a product you want is dependent on how much you can move of a product that in videos trying to get rid of invidia hasn't been in a position where they've had to really get rid of anything and like many years now they've had a lot they've written from one success to another, but I know that that used to affect things. So there's the relationship. There's the the optics from Lake an outsider standpoint of like who should be getting cards. There's the history there's the. Power they how much are they scratching your back? How much do you WANNA scratch their back it's business. It's business guys. It's not as simple as like. Well, I placed an order so I should get it. and. This is the kind of stuff thing consumers can't and shouldn't have to care about. But at the end of the day if you want to understand what's going on. You just. have to for really want me to tell you. That I mean yeah. Those those are going to be the things that you are suddenly concerned with now that these numbers were published. Under how? Their. Oh, they're filled after publishing this information probably not great. Do you WANNA protect by the way guys if you WanNa, get a card. One of the best ways to get one is instead of queuing up for a skew that already exists wait for a new launch of like a seuss's doing gundem edition card. For example, you will pay more, but it'll cost you less than scalping one of the other ones on Ebay and you will probably get a brand new car with a warranty from the retailer. Versus having to wait for it. So waiting around for like a kingpin edition or F. T., W. seventy-six, super clock plus Ko, whatever they're. Stupid suffixes are now already VJ. So if you wait around for a new skew launch, typically, if I'm in a Suzerain Edgar Gigabyte or whatever I'm squirreling away enough GPA so that I can do a launch even though I know that it's going to sell it right away and I I saw people just order like the wrong skew and just sit in the queue like forever especially if it's an entry level one because if I'm uneven. What's higher priority I want to fill every customer order and I will eventually fill your order I promise but am I going which one am I going to prioritize more? An F. T. W. Three ACS cooler super super super clock that I make you know sixty or seventy dollars on or a base model. One at the basic invidia suggested Ms Rpm where I make like thirty five bucks a card. I'll probably the one that keeps my business running, right What do you want? That's just the reality of it. There's not a lot of margin less for board partners. That's how everything is going to work at like every company ever. And even the ones that by and large. have. A strong ethical. Them and and really care about their customers and love their customers. They still have to keep the doors open. So the they can do both, but there's GonNa be priority levels on things of course, of course. High. What else do we want to talk about today? We have only gotten through two topics. I believe. Talked for so long about that I could barely get a word in. That Luke. He's always talking so much. I was ripping through the. we've. Got Some alleged. Sixty eight, hundred x t benchmarks from video cards. Now they're not actual games which means that like. In cares but they're super lame but it's still kinda cool. Go ahead keep talking. I want you to I want you to. I don't like that they're actual games I. Don't like that it's like times by fire strike in and what's the other one? Port. Royal. Yet. because. I remembered port. That'd be mark. Boat. Off for mark and it's a submarine there's. A new idea thirty mark just make one called boat. But yeah. There you go. Perfect. I'd benchmark my computer on that guaranteed. Yeah. It it does. It does well. It crushes in fire strike ultra it it. It succeeds quite strongly enticed by then you know it doesn't do that great import royal but if I remember correctly portrayals like. Entirely Ray tracing base. So. Hopefully. It's good. Yeah I don't know. I'm still maybe the whole allred computer thing is is more legit than than I had potentially thought and I think honestly. As, long as amd doesn't like trip fall and smash their face with this launch I, think it'll be great can. Look good guys. Yeah. The bill the look good guys they'll be able to sell cars because no one else can by the other cards out. So a hurry they just need to not. Yeah they need to not completely fumble the launch. And then I believe. Good. Yeah. But I, believe in them both ways I believe. and. I believe that they can hard fumble a launch. I. Love Those guys but they've made they've done some doofus stuff over the years that was an interesting one tyler wit says. Do you follow the logic here tyler with in the Youtube Chat says, this is not prerecorded look at how their hair is. Not Oily online is but I still don't follow the logic. Because, my hair is oily this couldn't possibly be prerecorded. I guess he's saying like if we were GONNA prerecord it, we would put enough prep into like. Wash our hair, which is misguided statement. Yeah. That's. All. That's not a thing that I would do Alright. Intel has sold their Nand storage unit to S K Hynix. In plenty Intel CFO. George. Davis said the company was unable to sell enough SSD's to make a profit from the three D. N. chips that made it. It's Deli in China factory. Said they were exploring options such as closing the factory and buying chips, mothers, selling chips to third parties and buying SSD's from a third party. They've reached a deal to sell their flash memory business to hynix for about nine billion dollars million dollars. They'll be getting the majority of Intel's memory business plus memory manufacturing options in Dall- in they will not be getting the obtain division. So octane clearly has more margin in it and Intel held onto it so. Damn market share was about eleven percent. This'll give Hynix roughly twenty percent market share overall compared to Samsung at thirty one keels yet seventeen. Hynix. percent stake kiosks here though wd at Sixteen and Micron at thirteen point seven. Actually, pretty surprised at how big beauties steak is. Yeah I'm not because remember they bought Kleubeck. So that that's all sanders because nothing to do with like. D.'s spinning Rust Business Oh speaking of conventional business LT STORE DOT COM so we Got Two of our winners from the stealth pins shirt giveaway you're not by any chance wearing a stealth pins shirt are you? Know Bummer Okay your you. All right. Wearing Folk Clint. Nice. On this morning, I was like you know what? We should do a big show for floatplane over on the land show today. So that's what I meant. And we have some civic show for float planes we do but I I. I need to tell people to make sure there's subscribed because I've got a big announcement ladies and Gentlemen Secret, shoppers? That too loud. Did I CLIP I try I try to move away from Mike. Got Rid of the audio. Okay. We'll secret shopper is back baby secret shopper is coming for Ya. And it's too late for any of the system integrators to do anything about it. We have already gone through our entire purchase process. We have already gone through our tech support challenge. The system integrators that are included this year I've I power cyber power Dell, hp main gear, and. So, we're going to see what if anything these system builders have learned in the last two years let me tell you right away spoiler alert some of them learned a lot. Some learned a whole lot of nothing. Some of them got worse which is. Shocking considering which ones got worse. So you are going to see those videos early over on floatplane dot com not to mention. Yeah. That's right. We're going to have him windowed. Becoming sometime in the next couple of few weeks here or so. Hard. At work on this season, I'm going to be agent double o six point nine we're going for a bond theme this year. David and Jake have been hard at work making it fun. So I posted a very small trees teased tweezers teaser awhile back on social media of like a poker table. So that's one of the sets for it. We're doing lake Lake Casino. Royal. So it's going to be a lot of fun. Done filming we are done filming. We're not done filming. We're not done filming the like I. Don't know hurt ordering Ahold ordering and tech support process. So it's too late for any of these system integrators to have any say good in what happens or to. Beef up their phone lines or anything. 'cause they know secret shoppers happen it's been so long guarantees some of them like. Totally got complacent. Anyway. So yeah, guys get subscribed. Early access when we get to it and also some exclusive behind the scenes stuff. About the Secret Shopper Yup. I haven't talked about you guys doing that in a long time. But in the last two weeks I have had to people talk to me it'd be like I know. I know I know I know, but I'm not going to build it myself. Also I WANNA three, thousand series, and this is a pretty decent way to get one, etc, etc etc. I'm doing a pre build you have any suggestions and I've linked them. The secret shopper series had been like it's a little date but you should still like check this out and now you're updating. That's fantastic. We've been meaning to do it for we meant to make it an annual thing. So it clearly took us. Hot Minute to get to that. But Derby Smith Asks, can we get a floatplane shirt? When we get the Creator warehouse and floatplane integration working, we will totally be able to do little exclusive merge drops Donald. Yeah we'll be able to do that. But right now we're just not set up for it. So yeah sorry about that we will. Right so the other thing I want to say stealth pins. So our CPU stealth pins shirt on LT STORE DOT COM. Were let me just pull pull it up here this one right here. There are a handful of these out there. So see how there's kind of like an Lt logo in the pins. There are three of these out there that do not say lt if you got one of them, you WanNa gaming system all you gotta do is reach out to the LT store support prove to. Them that you got one that doesn't say L. T. T and they're going to know what it says. So you're not going to be able to fake it with Photoshop and you will get a Corsair Vengeance Gaming PCs equipped with the core I seven, ten, eight, Fifty, K. architects thirty, eighty, thirty, two gigs of memory a one terabyte dot to with two terabytes is spinning rust so. Two of them have been claimed but one of them is still out there. So if you bought a stealth pin CPU shirt guys, well, let's go boys go check your shirt don't wait just run go look at it. Now see if it says L. T. T. or not. It's not mine because I technically never got one Yeah. No, and we wouldn't have given it to you. Also also, I kind of alluded to this before, but I can't guarantee you know if we'll ever do anything like this again or whatever. But we did another giveaway stealthily stealthily. So the foil T. shirt which I think sold out to win show viewers. Not Misprint, by the way sorry misprinted you guys do paid half price for your shirt, but there were no prize ones mixed in. So we have randomly selected winners from our foil keyboard shirt buyers. So if you noticed something weird your order when it arrives reach out to support and there may be an awesome surprise in store for you. Very cool some of them the foils might be different colors to indicate something or other. Oh. Let's see what All right. Is there anything else we really WANNA talk about pay pal to support crypto currencies wow. a new a new entry. Sure Yeah To new late entries, Craft TV crops. Hope like raft he merged both names together. What a bad guy. Lawn TV and craft computing two different craters, not one creator that I zombie fide together have both joined a plane very recently checkout craft computing. I know you guys did a Collab- together. Recently we did that's actually very serendipitous timing because I had I don't think I even knew you were working on that. Working. Things man company gathered. On things I just I didn't know you're working on that. Yeah and he he's actually one of the first. Oh yes. Seventeen subs already he has his numbers public. That's pretty cool. Cool. He is one of the first graders to use the multi content post feature. So he has one video that is actually six videos critical. Yeah. Check it out. All right. Let me to see if there's anything else e as getting sued Luke Boxes in Canada class action lawsuit saying he as been profiting off of an illegal gambling business by selling random blue boxes for cash direct. Yeah. That sounds about right. Similar to a suit in California that says L. team. What is effectively gambling? Yep Sounds about right. It's about time. The thing is like, why did why did game developers and publishers did they have to push the limit? Like if they hit just. Chilled a little bit. You know if they just. Kept it small instead of being the thing that funds game development. They could have gotten away with it. If was darn kids gambler became rumor gambling. That are like I think genuinely very accepted by the majority of the community like I dunno know these days I know there's been some changes to the store and how it works and stuff, but I don't know how it works. GonNa play anymore. But legal legends at its inception had some negative feedback at first because they were honestly pretty early on the the like actions game but everyone was usually okay with it as a free game and you could buy skins for heroes. That you cared about and whatever else like that was that was pretty accepted but in games like especially ammos where you have pay for the box and for expansions and monthly, and they have a cash shop for games where you have to pay like full-fat like sixty seventy bucks for the game, and there's content that was like clearly held from being like a cool quest award or something in the game and has now been put into a cash shop like that kind of stuff is just ridiculous. And you know that it's negatively affecting the game to a certain degree because because a lot of this stuff is like some of the best art assets that they have. And it could have like. been some like cool reward for accomplishing something whatever. But it's like, Nope, twenty bucks or more. Aj floatplane Chad says, Hey, you should really show the floatplane page for craft computing. So I'm GONNA do that they go flow playing page. As. What it looks like got the subscribers up in their got tears over in there. And they they go. That's that's supposed to look like a there you go. Aj sorry about that. Getting. Men Designs mic broken site that displays all the broken ice cream machines in all McDonalds. A site that shows you where McDonald's ice cream machines are broken. So you don't accidentally go to one that has a broken thing. Pulls. Interesting. So the developer Rashiq Zahid came up with Mick broken after realizing that the online order site can be used to determine if they're ice cream machine is working or not. If you can't order cone, it's broken. He then exploited that flaw and wrote a bought that tries to order an ice cream cone it. Every McDonald's in the USA and reports back onto a map. That is. HILARIOUS this comes after much trial and error initially created an API that attempted to Adam Sunday from every McDonald's location to its cart one every minute and the figured out what he was up to in blocked him. He then determined he can make an API call. Sorry. He then determined that he could make an API call every thirty minutes undetected. So he now is the bought that can tell the real time ice cream status twice an hour. That's hilarious. It's amazing though seven point one, six percent of all of them are down and like certain areas like. I wonder if this correlates with how many Like how much ice cream is being sold I wonder if you can compare that to like how hot it is in that area. So how much people are looking for like cold refreshments but Yeah Phoenix Arizona fifteen point five, six percent of ice cream machines it down. That's so frustrating because like I've gone to McDonald's for the express purpose of getting an ice cream because like I don't know what the heck else you there and the ice cream machines been broken in like. Yeah. I'm choked. Like I'm joked and it is good of a mean like it it, it does happen a lot. So, yeah heightened areas. Map of Phoenix and seeing how many red dots there are is kind of crazy actually. Let's go ahead and get through a few super chats and then we're going to call it Robert. Mail, says the ARA is. Get have repos downloading videos is now circumvention of technology protection measures. Oh. Okay. Philip says hey. Hey Phillip. What's up Mona Lisa. Brandon? No I cannot adopt you. Sorry. Andrea says the first time I catch went show live at almost three I'm here in Italy while he probably going to bed now by the time I, read your super chat. Sorry about that. Daniel Woods says. Message, retracted. Daniel Nice now. From Janko Flex says up in the middle hearing Sweden with my four day old son. He seems to like the show as well as older sister. Keep it up. You're my daughter's favorite youtube star our faith. Thank you. I love that twitch streamers are trying to say they're promoting the songs and saying dmca is a group of people not a law welcome to real copyright policy, which is what you had for years. Yeah. Yeah. Streamers who think that they're gonNA be able to get away with songs yeah. You gotTA. We with the whole game thing feel lucky I I agree with that aspect of. Of what's what's his name? There is there is some. Take I, I I I'm not feeling it this much for songs but there is some argument there and there have some. There have been some artists that have that have come out end either directly worked with publisher to make sure that it's okay to play their songs on twitch or Expressed that they don't agree with how their publishers treating it because. especially, streamers that accredit properly like we'll show a shop spotify thing in the bottom corner, it'll show what's currently playing etcetera. I could see that as being good promotion virus link whatever because it's all about what's the impact on the original work, right? Yes. But you're if you're making it so that because. If I, if I go to a stream and there's a song playing and I dig it and I can't relatively easily figure out what that song is. That's silly. Unless they have the rights to do that but I think if they're like actively promoting the music. As if I was a musician, I would probably want that to happen 'cause I don't gain anything from it not being played and I don't think there's any opportunity costs there. I don't think someone's GonNa go I'm GonNa Watch this dreamer because I can listen to this specific song instead of watching it on Youtube, where it's almost certainly going to be also be free or somewhere else I honestly I. in general I don't agree with the music argument and I, think in almost every case as long as it's properly attributed, the music artists is gaining quite a. Bit By being on twitch but the same as the game argument, it's still in their court should make that decision. I think they improperly making that decision, but they should be able to make that decision and it comes down to precedent right lakes. The music industry hasn't set this precedent that you're just like allowed to use music in your in your in your other art. They do not consider mute like you know you can't make a movie and be like, yeah, we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA put playing with the boys in our movie and its transformative enough because. Of Our movie is you know the art and this is just supplemental like music has been considered. Integral as part of the greater viewing experience of whatever other type of medium it's integrated with in such a way that's really poorly worded the point is music has never been seen as having been transformed by visuals set to it. It has never worked that way. So there's no precedent for them to have to give it in this way, and the other part is that while game developers are directly off their customers by not allowing twitch streamers to play the Games on stream. Music labels don't seem to see it that way even though. If they're making the argument that people listening to it on the Stream is digging into sales than they do understand their their customers, I duNno, I don't know maybe they think. Music I think a lot of music labels are treating this improperly for. in regards to their own benefit and I think it'd be much better off if they actually let the streamers play the songs But. But that's that's their thing you know they can. They can make the wrong decision there as much as they want Cyrus Zere says Hashtag under tail also since video screwed candidate for the founders edition, how do you feel doing something like selling gp on Lt? Store. Dot Com. You know we've talked about it. We've talked about just like turning LT STORE DOT com into a computer parts shop. So far, we're not going to do that and he. Said says, if you're worried, you're game will stop selling customers playing it. Maybe the game play part is not fun. It's just a bunch of cut scenes tied together with bandages. By that logic movies are just a bunch of cut scenes and yeah. That's Terrible take I can't believe in two hundred whatever I'm used to tell me that. A game despite being called, the game doesn't actually have to sell entirely off of its gameplay. There are a lot of games that are cinematic beautiful narrative. Beautiful. Up voiced, very well ragged IC speaking. Experience, and the whole point could be the experience. It's still a great game. Yeah, by that logic, you know I shouldn't make any my should. I shouldn't let people just replay my videos on twitch because the game play isn't fun. And so no one will buy video like what are you talking about Nicolas says I've been pondering putting a TV in my bathroom like you. My question is that my tub is in a full wet room with an enclosed shower and I'm worried about moisture. Do you know of any waterproof TV I? Don't I'm just yellowing it and the lab says, can I have your bf Gd I have two out of three and I want to test sim racing testing for triple monitor off two thirty, ninety S. I I don't even I. don't even know if we have it we might have given it away Christmas party or something to be honest with you. I kind of we have it. Hopefully known from watching. Hiring. Oh yeah right we're hiring. How what are we hiring again? So Linus Media Group, dot com slash jobs, Dash. One I don't know what's up with that. You are L. we're hiring a time writer duties include generating video concepts coordinating with product managers and their agencies testing and benchmarking PC hardware. If you think you're an anthony, then get in touch 'cause we we just don't have quite enough Anthony's. So basically we got that and then fulltime raiders slash host. So if you think you're well an anthony or whatever go look at the go look at the job postings if your name, it's Anthony. Your name is Anthony and you don't have quite enough full-time jobs. Then Anthony, go ahead and apply, and we can have you worked one shift from nine to five thirty or whatever that mathworks to, and then you can take an hour off and you can work another shift from six until about five in the morning. Maybe do a longer lunch so that you can get a little bit of refresher time there. You can sleep for a few hours and you can come back to the office. Some good. Good. So yeah, we're also looking for video editor in camera up product coordinator. Customer. 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This is a REALLY bad take - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

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This is a REALLY bad take - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

"Claims where's my dog. And welcome to the wear. Show ladies and gentlemen. We've got a fantastic show plan for you guys today. Everything from let's see actually hold on a second. What do we have today. all right. we've got hey a large. Da danish retailer. Coming out with the straight goodies. get it. Oh it's danish gets the danish. That's a type of here. You know what it doesn't matter the point is they've got some statistics showing the death of the rtx. Three thousand series supply shoes. And i believe the word for this is off as the big big off. We've got some alleged rx sixty eight hundred. X t benchmarks dented. At that. what else we got luc. What's our headline topic are headline topic. Is i think. I don't actually know the title is but i think it's talking about some some spicy tweets about the streaming industry And where the how. The money should be flowing in that industry but also intel sold their nance storage unit. Yeah this is crazy. And i didn't actually see like a ton of people really reacting to this but that's actually nuts. Yeah i think that part of it might be because this was like a a long time in the making there is a whole well. We can talk a little bit more about it later. But intel has been sorted tepid on the whole nand flash thing for quite some time just like i'm tepid on continuing this video without first rolling the intro well move thank that moment when when show starts so late that other show we deal with the live better. I c comments on foot. Because just no tackling tackling does not live for the day so there you go all right all right. Why don't we jump right into our big topic for the day. Do you wanna walk us through this people. Keep giving me a hard time about doing all the talking on show. I have gotten so many comments and so many tweets about this over the last probably month or so but the problem is every time i'm like. Hey luke do you wanna walk us through this one. He just like doesn't say anything. Because busy running flow plane over there or he says like two things and then just like waits for me to weigh in. So i'm going to say nothing you're going to give us your whole take on this. I'm going to zip my lips and stop talking in a moment. I just i get this momentum going and it takes a stop so i'm saying still rowland i won't so before i get into it i will. I will say that it has been. It has become much harder to do. The co host a role since we became remote. 'cause it's a lot harder to read body language and do all that other kind of stuff to make sure that i'm like inserting the right. Time is also a certain amount of discord lag. Makes it a little bit more difficult to like. Knowing when i should start it when i should stop talking. So that's a big part of it. It's not all online is for sure but You can't see the sunscreen. But alex hutchinson or at bang bang click on twitter. Went for some spicy takes recently. That was very very noticed online. His original noticed very noticed very noticed. Twenty twenty it got a lot of when you tweet gets five point one thousand comments but only seven point nine thousand likes you did. Something might not be something and win the follow tweet. Tha that gets eighteen thousand comments and still only five point one thousand likes you know you didn't do something great. His take starts with streamers worried about getting their content pulled because they've used in which context for this. There was a lot of dmca takedown. Emails came from twitch about people's back catalogue music being used back catalogue. That went out very recently. Is something we we knew was coming. We've talked about this on the show in the past but the action really happened very recently so again. He's astronomers worried about getting the content because they use music they didn't pay for should be more worried by the fact that they're streaming games. They didn't pay for as well. It's all gone as soon as publishers. Decide to enforce it when he follows that up with the real truth is streamers should be paying the developers and publishers of the games they stream they should be buying a licence like any real business and paying for the content they use. This is interesting. I people aren't going to like this. I don't disagree with him. In all scenarios. I think it should be up to the publisher and i think basically any publisher that tried to enforce that way would be an idiot and we have experienced this in the past. We saw it with tengo. Would you say sorry. sorry. I had sorry. I had something really stupid cotton my throat. their nintendo. Yeah exactly so. I think in the past and it was stupid and everyone hated it and the viewers hated it and the streamer stated it and it was bad for nintendo in a long ways. told they eased up on it in in more recent years and it has been significantly better for the viewers and the streamers and nintendo like it is just holistically better for everyone. There are some scenarios where i questioned. How real that would necessarily be games. That are extremely narrative focused. Yeah basically walking simulator games pretty much the whole experience to be had by watching it and in those scenarios those developers might not want people stream it and i think they should have the right to be like y- i don't want you to stream my game. That being said having the right and should do and his verbiage here is talking about Like something that will happen as if it's inevitable. And he says specifically they should be buying a licence. I do not believe that. Game streamers should be buying a license. And i think twenty twenty of any year is a great example for why that shouldn't be games that are popping off. Our fog is among us. Those games would not have popped off if it wasn't for streamers and perfect hardline evidence for that is among us among us didn't launch immediately become popular with two years ago. Wasn't it yeah among us a long time and was irrelevant little game but it had like i think peaks of like two hundred concurrent players and now it has peaks of like. Oh my god. Everyone including like american politicians and the biggest youtubers and also the biggest which stars it that game was made by streamers like the success of that game sorry was made by streamers So the take is is is bad but it becomes a lot more interesting when you look into who alex hutchinson and when you look into the way he is operating and using things does in a moment i wanna i wanna do one with you. Okay okay hold on. This is a skill i have. I can name silent my favorite thing. Which was pointed out by jack septic i. I didn't recognize this at first the cover photo or whatever. You wanna call it. The banner photo that he has on twitter for savage planet. That is some game that he worked on except the cover photo is of jack. Septa guy. it's a fan art. It's not his. Alex doesn't own that. The person in the photo is supposed to be jack. Septa guy in the game and what is cut off what is cropped off and no. It doesn't just not show up because twitter squished. It if you click on the photo it is still not there but you can see three little lines that come up from. It is the signature of the person who drew the fan art. There is no attribution and no credit given to the person who the so does his opinion only go as far as music and games does not reach into the realm of of of of art in the form of something drawn. I'm not sure but he is also creative director. At s g e montreal studio it used to say in his twitter bio it used to say something different. It used to say creative director at google stadia and has been updated since this all happened. I'm not necessarily sure why but yeah. It was updated. Sorry arkan go. So i'm going to jump in and agree with you okay. I thought you know. I can't because the problem is that the way copyright law works and the way that it should work. Is that you own. The rights to how your content is used so a perfect example of that. Is that if someone were to Make a make a video. Let's say they download our review of the rtx thirty eighty and they play it back and they're like. Oh wow this is some really good bureau footage and like you know what my thirty eighty is sitting in my rig over there. I don't feel like pulling it out and getting camera. I'm a i'm a use. This to supplement my content now depending on how they do that how they utilize the footage. Do they leave in my commentary. Do they credit it do. Is their work transformative enough. Does it affect. What are what are the four pillars of fair use again there's information Fair us Here we go so the purpose and character of your use. What's it for so if it's for you know. Educating the public about the dangers of this linus tech tips character then that would be something that would be considered important for public interest and therefore marley to be to be to fall under fair. Use the nature of the copyrighted work. So that's where you get into the style of the game. You could even make the argument that certain styles of game are inherently covered by fair. Use to play them. I would make the argument that yeah go ahead. So i was thinking about this and i and i strongly agree and i think a lot of multiplayer competitive games especially things like shooters yet would totally fall under that and among us and fall guys are examples of contact. Probably the participants among us. I think it's just a such a prime example. The participants are the content. There's all this is like uh setting it's kind of. It's kind of like making the argument that you know because you exist in this building. Whoever the builder of it is or architect of it is you know. Owns the the work that you do in like the film that you make in it. It's like no no actually. The content is the interaction between these people on the spaceship. That are trying to fix it or or not. The third pillar is the amount and sustain us. Substanti- -ality of the portion taken. So if you take just a little bit versus like like you might do in a review. So david from our team did a review of last of us to where yeah. He does a lot of gameplay footage. But it's not just the amount it's the substantially of it. So is it a lot of gameplay footage of wandering around or did he just make a mashup of every story scene and then uploaded so that you don't have to buy the game that's where you get into that one and then that ties in really nicely with pillow number four. Which is the effect of the use upon the potential market for the original art so once again depending of game yeah among us is a key example of something where honestly streaming it can do pretty much nothing but get people amped on this game and wanting to play it and the only way to play it legitimately is to buy it very very very difficult to make an argument that streaming among us reduces sales. There is games where it would be very easy to make an argument. That streaming game does reduce sales hundred. Not that common. I'd say but it is definitely a thing and there are there are games where if i was a publisher for a lot of those games honestly i would still want them streamed. It's tough though. It's really tough. But it is tough. If i can totally understand someone not having that opinion if i was a developer for a really really rich story driven single player experience game where i went out of my way to not embedded it with a bunch of microtransactions in crap and i released this game for a fair price you know. Let's say twenty nine ninety nine for this game. I'm a pretty small development studios. Okay and a whole bunch of streamers get out there you know the day before launch with their pre release copies pretty much upload the game skipping through the boring parts and into these like four a four part. Four one hour videos uploaded to youtube part one part two part three part four. Okay now moved on to my next thing. They're doing nothing in the long term actually promoting the game. They've just basically uploaded my game to youtube and the reviews are great. But my sale suck. I would be really choked. Because that's the type of game that people claim to want people say. Oh you know what happened to gaming. Why is everything microtransactions. Why is everything. Multi-player only what happened to what happened to long deep single player narratives. Well that's something that could very well be what happened to long single narratives and also money but but that is a factor and ignoring that factor. I think is not looking at the bigger picture in a fair manner. Yeah and i think his take on it was terrible and i think the entire industry has has told him that time and time again at this point and and hopefully someone who's a creative director at a freaking gaming studio and had at least something to do with stadia despite no longer being in his bio yeah. I would hope that he would understand that. And it genuinely concerns me for the future of the games that he has any opinion on their development of that he thought and or thinks that way but ultimately. I don't think that is a common opinion in the industry if you look at how this is actually being dealt with by actual people. A lot of streamers are paid to play games not the other way around around And it's like it's laughable right to say that. Oh well you know you should license the game and then you know the developer should so you should pay to license the game and then the developer should pay you to play it like pulling money out of my right pocket to put in your pocket and you pull it out of your left pocket to put it in my left pocket like why are we. Why why replaying this virus doing this dance. it doesn't make any just inflating. A bunch of payment processors takes for no reason which is like personally offensive to me. But that's a different conversation. You one hundred percent but like it's yeah it's it's silly it's a bad. Take a one thing that i that i would suggest to take from. This is like if you do watch a streamer and they are playing a very net. A narrative heavy single player game. Yeah that doesn't necessarily look like it's it's mechanics or its action or anything like that are really what make it good. And what makes it. Good is the fact that you're you're basically like watching an interactive movie. Maybe trying to find a way to support by some bits spat day made maybe by that game that day that might i some merch. Even a lot against a soundtrack or assured or something like try. Try to throw something towards those developers. Because i can. I can definitely feel sympathy for that. And i love those types of games. Sometimes i don't know one other things games. Whatever so yeah also. I just realized that he worked on my least favorite assassin's creed game ever. Thanks buddy. how about that. So tank master in the youtube chat says the problem is streamers aren't protected by the eu a. They're actually breaking the terms of service. The way game mulas are written currently and that is a good point but the problem is that there's the legality and then there's the morality and then there's the court of public opinion there sort of like multiple facets to any kind of decision like this from a legal point of view. Nintendo was right. That's our mario sprite. And no you may not monetize it like. They weren't wrong but they were stupid. You know so from lake from a moral standpoint going after people that are honestly not making a ton of money you know. People like speed runners or level designers or like. Yeah like the kinds of the kinds of and again. That comes down to those four pillars right speed. Running a game does not have nearly the effect on the potential market for the product as playing it properly. Having someone sit and watch it you could make that argument. The and and then there's the there's also the court of public opinion where you can do these things and you might be legally and maybe even morally correct but people are going to hate you for it and at the end of the day. You're a business that relies on the bill of your customers. So maybe you better not do that now. The problem with fair use i. Actually we had a really interesting fair use conversation in our community this week. What happened was Man when was it. I have a stream called addressing the drama from about one thousand years ago. I think addressing the drama. It was at least a year. Ago streamed a year ago all right so a year ago we had an issue where smaller youtuber issued a copyright notice to be clear that it's not the same thing as a copyright strike so there was no effect on their channel. But what happens is if you're issued a copyright notice it means that some other entity whether it's like a a music label or another youtube or a movie Movie house some other entities said. Hey your video contains my copyrighted content. So you need to let me monetize that video. But it's okay you can leave it up and there's no. There's no strikes on your channel. it's not going to get deleted or anything. But that's actually my content and you need to give me the money so what happened was we issued through r. m. c. n. a copyright notice to a smaller youtuber for some game player. Actually it was benchmark footage that included in their video. Now we dug into what happened. It was not something we did maliciously and it was not something that we did manually or on purpose at all and what happened. Was our threshold for recognizing our video clips so we enabled the feature through our multi channel network that will look for our footage and other people's videos and claim against it. Because we've had big problems in the past with people just re uploading videos to these rando no-name channels and it's actually a lot of my time personally to take those down Like i have to go fill out a whole form. And when i have to do like six or eight of them the day like it's it's very time consuming and i'm sure you guys would rather me to spend my time making videos rather than taking down other people's re uploads of them so we enabled this feature but what happened was the threshold was set very low. I think it was set to about fifteen seconds of match and so it grabbed benchmark footage like screen cap a benchmark that they also used and claimed it. now all it was a matter of doing was saying. Hey guys what's up and we said oh sorry about that. Reverse the claim all you have to do is dispute the claim. It'll send a notification back to whoever claimed it We got that all sorted out and we changed our threshold to a minute. Now what happened. This week was another youtuber. In this case it was adored. Tv uploaded a video and the the kind of ironic thing about it was that i think probably from his perspective was that his video used a chunk of our video as sort of like validation that his take was correct it was a it was a clip of me agreeing with him and then i think what happened was he got this notification. Oh by the way linus media group inc actually full screen inc has claimed this content because it contains however long i think it was fifty seven seconds or whatever it was of copyrighted content from this video from leonard media group inc. I forget exactly what the wording of the notice that he got was but apparently not being familiar with this wording he thought or like with this process. He thought that we had manually claimed the video. And we're taking his Taking his revenue and what happened anyway. The point is i found out about it. We got it dealt with in about ten minutes. It's all sorted out. We had some twitter feuding. And we're good now so water under the bridge but what was really interesting about this. Whole ordeal was that it raised some really interesting conversations. About what exactly is fair. Use and how does it work. A lot of people seem to think that it was as simple as when people thought that this was mu manually claiming his money. Like i don't know what the absence on it would be like sixty dollars by the time i had looked at it like it didn't have a ton of use yet. I'll definitely worth the drama. I need that sixty dollars that badly i really do. And to be clear. Once it's reversed it all goes back to the original creator. I don't keep any of it even if it was like claimed by me for two hours or whatever So people seem to think that this was like me being evil and not understanding fair. Use like linus. This is clearly fair. Use the thing about fair use is that it's actually not cut and dried four pillars. Not for for things. You can argue in court basically. Yes and you actually. I'm glad that you mentioned I'm glad you mentioned arguing court because the way that it works is you actually have to argue these things. And there's no clear measurement for you know what people had all kinds of thoughts. How fair use worked well. It was a minute content but it was only four percent of the total video because it was a much longer video. therefore it's fair use. No that's not how that works or people said will he wasn't saying anything mean about linus so it's fair use which again no seeing. Something mean it would probably be easier to place it as a review and you'd probably get by with it almost more easily in in the eyes of a jurors. Well it depends because if it was defamatory than you could make the argument that its effect on. The potential market was very negative because he's effectively attacking the opinion of someone who lives and dies or the reputation of someone who lives and dies by their reputation. So but that's what that's what it is. That's why it actually doesn't matter how much of it was or all these arbitrary things that people seem to have latched onto as what def- definitely make something fair. Use fair use is an argument. It is not a set of rules. So the purpose and character of use the nature of the copyrighted work the amount and substantial portion taken and the effect on the potential market for the original work and remember to that fair use like these guidelines as far as i know are just based on united states copyright laws they are not necessarily applicable in every jurisdiction around the world so you could very easily be infringing on the copyright of some developer in lithuania or something to be clear. I know absolutely nothing about lithuanian. Copyright law but fair use might not necessarily apply. If somehow they managed to get you dragged into a lithuanian legal proceeding. It might not go well for you. I don't know how they do that. Maybe you have a stopover in lithuania on the way to wherever it is you're flying wants. The world returns to normal. But the point is extradited. The point is fair. Use is not as simple as people seem to think that it is the very fact that you are a game streamer and therefore streaming games is fair. Use it no not to the law but in the same way that you would have to make your argument to a court about why what you're doing is fair use. Whoever is defending their copyright would have to make an argument to a court about that it is not fair use which is why as we saw with that whole h three h three thing that went down a couple of years ago. Now think it. Was this kind of legal. Proceeding can get very long very drawn out and very very expensive. Which is why. It's far better so back to what the law is versus what you should do. It's far better to just not put this much work and money into doing nothing but off your customers and just let people game stream. So that's why alex hutchinson's take is bad. Not because he's wrong but because it's a bad dumb take. It's just stupid. And a lot of the that he used was him saying what what people should do. Not not not. Not what is entirely within their rights or like they're capable of he was like no. This is how it should work blah blah blah and the that's really dumb So that was bad. Take and and that's why it was so bad. I think he could have gotten what i'm hoping was his point across In a different way if he didn't use that type of wording. I also think it is truly hilarious. That he isn't a attributing the artists for his for his cover. Photo that that is like that really makes this whole thing like so much worse. In the fact. That jack septa guy posted that i sure he saw jackson uptake is post. I doubt it jacks guys. He's a pretty small figure in the gaming space. It's probably never heard of him the fact that he hasn't responded like i don't know apologize. Just change it quiet changed. You don't want to own your mistake. Fine quietly change it. Then do something. Why is it still there. Do you remember remember. High said like it it. It had a lot of traction but didn't have like the interaction you'd want us pointing out to like comments or likes and stuff. Just yeah basically jacksonville guys post gut. Forty eight thousand likes his five point one. Yeah just posted on a yeah. I think it was pokey main was just like i'm just put this here so that you can see how badly you're going to get ratios or something like that. My god probably blew up. Oh lordy oh so dumb. I only learned that term today by the way. Oh really okay ratios. Yeah yeah. I learned from this and i was like oh that makes sense. That's that's funny. I've seen that happen before. I'm glad we have a word for that. You know what else. I'm glad you have a word for our sponsors wrong thing. You know what. I'm just i'm just gonna leave it there out even care anymore. 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The link in the description to enter to win an rtx thirty eighty. Wow that's like that's like a three thousand dollar value depending on how you want to do the math on that subject. Why don't we talk about who dumped this one in the dock. Anthony posted this in the dock. A large danish retailer going by the name of pro shop has released statistics for the rtx thirty series sales and the orders that they've shipped and let me put it this way. It doesn't look promising. It broke brocchi. Pro shop ordered sixteen skews for each class of gpu from a seuss. Msi gigabyte and ina three d. And hear the statistics as of october twenty. Second which was yesterday. Pro shop ordered two thousand twelve units of that. Three hundred and nine have been delivered. Or incoming which is a fulfillment rate of fifteen percent three hundred and twelve unfilled orders with one hundred sixty one delivered to customers making for a delivery rate of thirty four percent sixty five percent if you count the confirmed incoming cards but those have not technically shipped to customers yet in spite of the fact that these cards have been available for weeks for the rtx thirty eighty. Wow that's thirty ninety. They've only three hundred and nine to pro shop. Okay all right. Wow that's a lotta. Gpu how people that many people are fifteen hundred dollars. Grass-court okay sorry. No wondering video has enough money to buy arm. Rtx thirty eighty pro shop says the ordered nine thousand and ten and have received eight hundred seventy one. Including those which are incoming fulfillment rate of nine point seven percent. They have flukes laughing. He's reading ahead of me here. Thousand seven seventy two unfilled orders and have managed to deliver only five hundred four two customers a delivery rate of twelve percent or twenty percent if we count the confirmed incoming cards now. They've even put. Rtx thirty seventy numbers in here which is interesting because rtx three seventy has not launched and the embargo hasn't lifted yet but they apparently pre-ordered four thousand. Three hundred and thirty. I mean they might as well of pre-ordered forty thousand frolic matters like they're only going to get over many get. They only got two hundred and six counting. Those that are incoming four point eight percent fulfillment baby doing well. So these early figures indicate that invidious stock situation may not have improved since the delay of the rtx. Thirty seventy and. It's funny because that was like why are they said they were delaying. The are thirty seventy so that they could get more stock and again. The funny thing is like rtx. Thirty seventy is a completely different gp. Like it's not even a g one zero two. It's g who. I don't know if this is public information tech tower up says it is one of four i think not tech power that let's find someone who says it is video cards. Dot com. Says the thirty seventy mobile day okay. Video cards dot net. I just need someone. I can cite here. Yeah video cards. Dot net says that the thirty seventy four. Gpu there you go so it's a completely different. Gpu now is built on the same eight nanometer samsung process. According to video cards dot net here see that was on there. See look look. It's on there for eight nanometer process. Okay right there plane as plain as the nose on my face and that's that's a substantial sized knows loop. Let me tell you and so it's you could argue that you could argue it two ways. You could say okay. Well i can see why they can't deliver any thirty eighties because they're busy shipping all the thirty nineties which cost twice as much or whatever And then you say with thirty seventy while. There's no excuse. Because all the good ge to just go straight into thirty seventies but the thing is because it's built on the same process node from samsung however much eight nanometer ridge. They've managed to get booked is pretty much the bottleneck for how many of these cards total they can actually build so what i think this is just a guest. This is total hot and it may be just as bad as the one from alex hutchinson earlier but probably not what i think is that invidia delayed the launch of thirty seventy so that they could build up inventory of the thirty eight thirty ninety. I don't think that they've been beavering away. Building up inventory of thirty seventy. Because if i was nvidia and i had any fabs fab allocation. I'd say you print them thirty ninety. S baby you print them thirty nine. He's real good. And then if you print a bad one yeah. We're going to ship that as a thirty eighty ship as many of these as we possibly can cause a rtx thirty seventy is supposed to be. Let me just make sure Srp blah blah blah according to Tom's guide it's going to be five hundred dollars making it a far far smaller transaction from nvidia standpoint. Now because you want to maintain a good relationship with your customers you definitely want to ship some of these. I can just see why they wanted to give themselves a little bit of time. It is pretty clear to me at this point. That video went super aggressive on their rtx. Three thousand pricing knowing full. Well that they were not going to be able to ship enough of them just as a gigantic to sony microsoft and amd because there is no reason why they couldn't have charged twenty percent more for these thirty percent more for them. You can see it. People are paying that price on ebay. People are desperate for something to finally run their games faster. And it's been so long if you're a high end consumer that they could have pretty much charged. Whatever they wanted for them. But it's very clear that they came in at these prices knowing they weren't going to have enough out of the gate because they wanted to put pressure on their competition. And the problem is that. If i'm invidia i can't launched them at a high price today and then drop my price six weeks later. Eight weeks later. When the new consoles launch or when amdi launches a competitor. Because then i look reactionary so invidia pretty much had to shoot themselves in the foot to avoid themselves in the face if you think about it from like a thousand foot strategic view i kind of feel bad for jensen i mean. Not really because i think. He has a new leather jacket for every day of the week. I think i think pretty difficult person feel better. Financial kitchen cost as much as my house. But it's a nice catch you see in the kitchen the oven dude. You just just the just looks like the marble backdrop to the oven carved by by ancient by Just that make us as much as like. I dunno definitely my apartment all right now something to bear in mind about all of these figures. Is that in. Videos is that europe has largely gotten the short end of the stick with respect to rtx. Three thousand series allocation apparently allegedly and. It's important to keep in mind. That denmark itself is relatively tiny with a population of just five point. Eight million as of two thousand nineteen but the orders were placed. I don't know if that's very relevant. It's relevant it's relevant area be relevant versus the orders placed. Because what i can tell you. Is that coming from a retailer in a relatively small region because compared to china or the us canada is relatively small absolutely the kinds of orders that we would place would be very different from what someone like. A new egg would place so in the same way we might order okay. So let's look at pro shop. So canada was a hold on a second. I'm getting teams messages. Here bug me monday. Please don't message right now. It is the whole win. Show smiley face okay. So canada right so we might order five thousand units of rtx. three ninety. We might try to backorder five thousand units by comparison. Someone like a new egg might have eighty thousand units on order totally different scale so i think that would affect so you think that would affect the fulfilment rate of those orders though. I think that. I think that it can have a weight. Because if because here's what you gotta understand in the event that all of a sudden invidia suddenly magically figures out their production and they actually ship you two thousand gp us. You have to be able to sell them right. So there's a number of factors at play here. One is how many you wanna order to indicate your what you think you can sell right. How many invidia actually thinks you can sell and remember that they. They have a ton a ton of historical data to go on because these are retailers. They'll have been working with for years board partners that they've been working with for years and even going back to win. When i was in the business this is not the kind of thing that invidia will just leave to their board partners like a suicide gigabyte three d. invidia particularly right at launch is going in and hand allocating based on who they think can actually move the inventory. Who they think is strategically more important from like a like a marketing invisibility standpoint. I was. I was actually. I was going to try to bring that up. Because i bet you despite this literally happening and this is evidence that is going to be against what i'm going to say i would suspect the american slash north. American crowd would probably be a little bit more screechy about these types of problems. That a lot Demographics on allocate them a little bit more because of that and even within a region you might find particular customers that are going to be louder and more upset and or make more sense to support like your system integrators. Invidia has long been stories history of making sure that system integrators who rather than making selling you know. One card are selling an entire gaming experience to who is effectively an invidia customer at the end at the end of the day. You can make the argument that those are those are more important. Those are more timely because whoever's ordering an individual card presumably already has a graphics card of some sort whereas someone ordering a full system actually have a functioning system so there's all kinds of factors that come into play when they're deciding how to do these things. I remember one of them being. I can't remember what hard this was. And whatever whatever andy. I signed it. Ncis i can't imagine still applies. But i remember this one time when i think this was in the fermi days so this would be Four eighty or something like that. Maybe it was. Maybe it was two eighty five. I don't remember it was a period of time we're in video was not particularly competitive and what they essentially wanted us to do. Must've been must have been to eighty to eighty five. I'm sorry i it escapes me when exactly it was. It was a time when video wasn't particularly competitive in the mid range and they basically were like you can order. You're allowed to order one hundred of these like cards. Everyone wants but you have to take like six hundred of these ones. That like nobody wants and i was like okay but like how am i going to sell six hundred ninety six hundred gases or whatever i don't i don't remember what it was. I really wish that i did. Because i was like. How on earth am. I going to move these lake. You guys know back at nca like we we would sell. We would buy unit count. We would sell more of an eight hundred dollar graphics card than eighty dollar graphics card because it just wasn't our business. Meanwhile the best buy right down the street would sell twenty two one of that eighty dollar card versus eight hundred dollars card. It's just different customers different expectations. We i worked at that best buy street. We did not move the expensive cards like ever exactly. It collected us exactly. So i remember that sometimes allocation of a product you want is dependent on how much you can move of a product that in videos trying to get rid of now. Invidia hasn't been in a position where they've had to really get rid of anything and like many years now. They've had a lot. They've written from one success to another. But i know that that used to affect things so there's the relationship there's the the optics from lake an outsider standpoint of like who should be getting cards. There's the history. there's the power they. How much are they scratching your back. How much do you wanna scratch their back. It's business it's business guys. It's not as simple as like well. I placed an order. So i should get it and this is the kind of stuff thing consumers can't and shouldn't have to care about but at the end of the day if you want to understand what's going on you just have to really want me to tell you that i mean yeah those those are going to be the things that you are suddenly concerned with now that these numbers were published under how. They're oh they're filled after publishing this information Probably not great. Do you wanna protect by the way guys if you wanna get a card. One of the best ways to get one is instead of queuing up for a skew that already exists. Wait for a new launch of like doing a gundem addition card for example. You will pay more. But it'll cost you less than scalping one of the other ones on ebay and you will probably get a brand new card with a warranty from retailer versus having to wait for it. So waiting around for like a kingpin edition or f. t. w. seventy-six super clock plus que. Whatever they're stupid suffixes are now already. Vj so if you wait around for a new skew launch typically. if i'm in a suzerain edgar gigabyte or whatever. I'm squirreling away enough gpa. So that i can do a launch. Even though i know that it's going to sell it right away. And i i saw people just order like the wrong skew and just sit in the queue like forever especially if it's an entry level one because if i'm uneven what's higher priority. I want to fill every customer order. And i will eventually fill your order. I promise but am i going. Which one am. I going to prioritize more an f. t. w. three. Acs cooler super clock. That i make you know sixty or seventy dollars on or a base model. One at the basic invidia suggested ms rpm where. I make like thirty five bucks a card. I'll probably the one that keeps my business running right. What do you want. that's just the reality of it. There's not a lot of margin less for board partners. That's how everything is going to work at. Like every company ever and even the ones that by and large have a strong ethical based to them and and really care about their customers and love their customers. They still have to keep the doors open so the they can do both but there's gonna be priority levels on things of course of course high. What else do we want to talk about today. We have only gotten through two topics. I believe talked for so long about that. I won. I could barely get a word in that luke. He's always talking. So much i was ripping through the We've got some alleged sixty eight hundred x t benchmark from video cards. Now they're not actual games. Which means that like in cares. But they're super lame but it's still kinda cool. Go ahead keep talking. No no i want you to. I want you to. I don't like that they're actual games. I don't like that it's like times by fire. Strike in and what's the other one port royal yet because i remembered port. That'd be mark boat off for mark and it's a submarine. There's a new idea Thirty mark just make one called but yeah no perfect I'd benchmark my computer on that guaranteed it it does. It does well. It crushes in fire strike. Ultra it it it succeeds quite strongly enticed by. You know it doesn't do that. Great import royal. But if i remember correctly portrayals like entirely ray tracing base so hopefully. It's good yeah. I don't know i'm still. Maybe the whole allred. Computer thing is is more legit than than i had potentially thought and i think honestly as long as amd doesn't like trip fall and smash their face with this launch. I think it'll be great. Can the look good guys. Yeah the bill. The look good guys. They'll be able to sell cars because no one else can buy the other cards out so a hurry. They just need to not yeah. They need to not completely fumble the launch. And then i believe good. Yeah but i believe in them. Both ways i believe and i believe that they can hard fumble a launch. I love those guys. But they've made. They've done some doofus stuff over the years That was an interesting one. Tyler wit says. Do you follow the logic here. Tyler with in the youtube chat says this is not prerecorded. Look at how. Their hair is not oily online. Is but i still don't follow the logic because my hair is oily. This couldn't possibly be prerecorded. I guess he's saying like if we were gonna prerecord it. We would put enough prep into like wash our hair which is misguided statement. Yeah that's all. That's not a thing that i would do Alright intel has sold their nand storage unit. Two s k Hynix in plenty intel. Cfo george davis said the company was unable to sell enough ssd's to make a profit from the three d. n. chips that made it. It's deli in china factory. Said they were exploring options such as closing the factory and buying chips mothers selling chips to third parties and buying. Ssd's from a third party. They've reached a deal to sell their flash memory. Business to k- hynix for about nine billion dollars million dollars they'll be getting the majority of intel's memory business plus memory manufacturing options in dall- in they will not be getting the obtain division so octane clearly has more margin in it and intel held onto it so damn market share was about eleven percent. This'll give hynix. Roughly twenty percent market share overall compared to samsung at thirty one. Keels yet seventeen. Hynix percent stake kiosks here though. Wd at sixteen and micron at thirteen point seven actually pretty surprised at how big beauties stake is. Yeah i'm not because remember. 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We're doing lake Lake casino royal. So it's going to be a lot of fun done filming. We are done filming. Yeah we're not done filming. We're not done filming. The like i dunno hurt ordering ross ahold ordering and tech support process. So it's too late for any of these system integrators to have any say good in what happens or to beef up their phone lines or anything. 'cause they no secret shoppers happen. It's been so long guarantees. Some of them like totally got complacent. Anyway so yeah guys get subscribed plane early access when we get to it and also some exclusive behind the scenes stuff about the secret shopper. Yup i haven't talked about you guys doing that in a long time but in the last two weeks i have had to people talk to me. It'd be like. I know. I know i know i know but i'm not going to build it myself. Also i want to three thousand series and this is a pretty decent way to get one etc etc etc. I'm doing a pre build. You have any suggestions. And i've linked them. The secret shopper series. Had been like it's a little out of date but you should still like this out now. You're updating that's fantastic. We've been meaning to do it for. We meant to make it an annual thing so it clearly took us hot minute to get to that but derby smith asks. Can we get a floatplane shirt when we get the creator warehouse and floatplane integration working. We will totally be able to do. Little exclusive merge drops donald. Yeah we'll be able to do that but right now we're just not set up for it so yeah sorry about that. We will right so the other thing i want to say. Stealth pins so our. Cpu stealth pins shirt on. Lt store dot com. Were let me just pull. Pull it up here This one right here. There are a handful of these out there. So see how. There's kind of like an lt logo in the pins. There are three of these out there that do not say lt. If you got one of them you wanna gaming system. All you gotta do is reach out to the lt store support. Prove to them that you got one that doesn't say l. T. t and they're going to know what it says. So you're not going to be able to fake it with photoshop And you will get a corsair vengeance gaming pcs equipped with a core. I seven ten eight fifty k. Rtx three eighty thirty two gigs of memory. A one terabyte to with two terabytes is spinning rust. So two of them have been claimed but one of them is still out there. So if you bought a stealth pin cpu shirt guys. Well let's go boys go. Check your shirt. don't wait just run. Go look at it now. see if it says. L. t. t. or not. It's not mine because i technically never got one Yeah no and we wouldn't have given it to you. Also also. I kind of alluded to this before. But i can't guarantee you know if we'll ever do anything like this again or whatever but we did another giveaway stealthily stealthily. So the foil. T shirt which i think sold out to win. Show viewers not misprint by the way sorry misprinted. You guys do paid half price for your shirt but there were no prize ones mixed in so we have randomly selected winners from our foil keyboard shirt buyers so if you noticed something weird your order when it arrives reach out to support and there may be an awesome surprise in store for you very cool. Some of them. Some of the foils might be different colors to indicate something or other. Oh let's see what All right is there anything else. We really wanna talk about. Pay pal to support crypto currencies. Wow a new a new entry sure. Yeah to new flippant entries craft. tv crops. Hope like raft merged both names together. What a bad guy lawn tv and craft computing two different craters. Not one creator. That i zombie fide together have both joined a plane very recently checkout craft computing. I know you guys did a collab- together recently. We did that's actually very serendipitous timing because i had. I don't think i even knew you were working on that. Working things man third company gathered on things. I just. i didn't know you're working on that. Yeah and he. He's actually one of the first. Oh seventeen subs already. He has his numbers public. That's pretty cool cool. He is one of the first graders to use the multi content post feature so he has one video that is actually six videos critical. Yeah check it out all right. Let me to see if there's anything else. E as getting sued luke boxes and canada class action lawsuit saying he as been profiting off of an illegal gambling. Business by selling random. Blue boxes for cash direct. Yeah that sounds about right. Similar to a suit in california that says ultimate team mode is effectively gambling. Yep sounds about right. It's about time the thing is like why did why did game developers and publishers did. They have to push the limit like if they hit just chilled a little bit. You know if they just kept it small. Instead of being the thing that funds game development they could have gotten away with it. If was darn kids. Gambler became rumor gambling. That are like i think genuinely very accepted by the majority of the community. Like i dunno know these days. I know there's been some changes to the store and how it works and stuff. But i don't know how it works gonna play anymore but Legal legends at its inception had some negative feedback at first because they were honestly pretty early on the the like Actions game but everyone was usually okay with it as a free game and you could buy skins for heroes that you cared about. And whatever else like that was that was pretty accepted but in games like especially ammos where you have pay for the box and for expansions and monthly and they have a cash shop for games where you have to pay like full-fat like sixty seventy bucks for the game and there's content that was like clearly held from being like a cool quest award or something in the game and has now been put into a cash shop like that kind of stuff is just ridiculous and you know that it's negatively affecting the game to a certain degree because because a lot of this stuff is like some of the best art assets that they have and it could have like some like cool reward for accomplishing something. Whatever but it's like nope twenty bucks or more. Aj floatplane chad says. Hey you should really show the floatplane page for craft computing. So i'm gonna do that. They go flow playing page as what it looks like got the subscribers up in their got tears over in there and they they go. That's that's supposed to look like a there you go. Aj sorry about that. Getting men designs mic broken site that displays all the broken ice cream machines in all mcdonalds a site. That shows you where mcdonald's ice cream machines are broken so you don't accidentally go to one. That has a broken thing pulls interesting so the developer rashiq zahid came up with mick broken after realizing that the online order site can be used to determine if they're ice cream machine is working or not if you can't order cone it's broken. He then exploited that flaw and wrote a bought that tries to order an ice cream cone. It every mcdonald's in the usa and reports back onto a map. That is hilarious This comes after much trial and error initially created an api. That attempted to adam sunday from every mcdonald's location to its cart one every minute and the figured out what he was up to in blocked him he then determined he can make an api call. Sorry he then determined that he could make an api call every thirty minutes undetected so he now is the bought that can tell the real time ice cream status twice an hour. That's hilarious amazing. Though seven point one six percent of all of them are down and like certain areas. Like i wonder if this correlates with how many Like how much ice cream is being sold. And i wonder if you can compare that to like how hot it is in that area. So how much. People are looking for like cold refreshments but yeah phoenix arizona. Fifteen point five six percent of ice cream machines it down. That's so frustrating. Because like i've gone to mcdonald's for the express purpose of getting an ice cream. Because like i don't know what the heck else you there and the ice cream machines been broken in like. Yeah i'm choked like i'm choked and it is mean like it it. It does happen a lot. So yeah heightened areas map phoenix and seeing how many red dots there are is kind of crazy. Actually let's go ahead and get through a few super chats and then we're going to call it Robert mail says. The ara is get have repos. Downloading videos is now circumvention of technological protection measures. Oh okay phillips says. Hey hey phillip. What's up mona lisa brandon. No i cannot adopt you. Sorry andrea says. The first time i catch went show live at almost three. I'm here in italy while he probably going to bed now by the time. I read your super chat. Sorry about that. Daniel woods says message retracted daniel. Nice now from janko flex says up in the middle of night hearing sweden with my four day old son. He seems to like the show as well as older sister. Keep it up. You're my daughter's favorite. Youtube star are thank you. I love that. Twitch streamers are trying to say they're promoting the songs and saying. Dmca is a group of people not a law. Welcome to real copyright policy. Which is what you had for years. Yeah yeah streamers who think that they're gonna be able to get away with songs. Yeah you gotta we with the whole game thing. Feel lucky i i agree with that aspect of of. What's what's his name there is. There is some take. I i i. I'm not feeling it this much for songs but there is some argument there and there have some there have been some artists that have that have come out end. Either directly worked with publisher to make sure that it's okay to play their songs on twitch or expressed that they don't agree with how their publishers treating it. Because especially streamers that accredit properly like we'll show a shop Spotify thing in the bottom corner it'll show what's currently playing etcetera. I could see that as being good promotion virus link. Whatever because it's all about what's the impact on the original work right. Yes but you're if you're making it. So that. Because if i if i go to a stream and there's a song playing and i dig it and i can't relatively easily figure out what that song is. That's silly unless they have the rights to do that But i think if they're like actively promoting the music as if i was a musician. I would probably want that to happen. 'cause i don't gain anything from it not being played and i don't think there's any opportunity costs there. I don't think someone's gonna go. I'm gonna watch this dreamer. Because i can listen to this specific song instead of watching it on youtube where it's almost certainly gonna be also be free or somewhere else. I honestly i in general. I don't agree with the music argument. And i think in almost every case as long as it's properly attributed the music artists is gaining quite a bit by being on twitch but the same as the game argument. It's still in their court should make that decision i think they improperly making that decision but they should be able to make that decision and it comes down to precedent right lakes. The music industry hasn't set this precedent. That you're just like allowed to use music in your in your in your other art. They do not consider mute. Like you know you can't make a movie and be like yeah we're gonna we're gonna put playing with the boys in our movie and its transformative enough because of our movie. Is you know the art. And this is just supplemental like music has been considered integral as part of the greater viewing experience of whatever other type of medium. it's integrated with In such a way that's really poorly worded. The point is music has never been seen as having been transformed by visuals. Set to it. It has never worked that way. So there's no precedent for them to have to give it in this way and the other part is that while game developers are directly off their customers by not allowing twitch streamers to play the games on stream music labels don't seem to see it that way even though if they're making the argument that people listening to it on the stream is digging into sales than they do understand their their customers. I dunno. I don't know maybe they think music. I think a lot of music labels are treating this improperly for In regards to their own benefit. And i think it'd be much better off if they actually let the streamers play the songs but but that's yeah that's their thing you know they can. They can make the wrong decision there as much as they want Cyrus says hashtag under tail also simpson video screwed candidate for the founders edition. How do you feel doing something like selling. Gp on lt dot com. You know we've talked about it. We've talked about just like turning lt store dot com into a computer parts shop so far. We're not going to do that. And he said says if you're worried you're game we'll stop selling customers playing it. Maybe the gameplay part is not fun. It's just a bunch of cut scenes tied together with bandages by that logic. Movies are just a bunch of cut scenes. And yeah you're terrible take. I can't believe in two hundred whatever. I'm used to tell me that a game despite being called the game doesn't actually have to sell entirely off of its gameplay. There are a lot of games that are cinematic beautiful narrative. Beautiful up voiced very well beyond good music. Speaking experience in the whole point could be the experience. It's still a great game. Yeah by that logic. You know. I shouldn't make any my should. I shouldn't let people just replay my videos on twitch because the game play isn't fun and so no one will buy video like what are you talking about. nicolas says i've been pondering putting a tv in my bathroom like you. My question is that my tub is in a full wet room with an enclosed shower. And i'm worried about moisture. Do you know of any waterproof tv. I don't i'm just yellowing. It and the lab says can i have your bf gd. I have two out of three. And i want to. Test sim racing testing for triple monitor off. Two thirty ninety s I don't even. I don't even know if we have it. We might have given it away. Christmas party or something to be honest with you. I kind of we have it hopefully known from watching hiring. Oh yeah right. we're hiring how. What are we hiring again. So linus media group dot com slash. Jobs dash one. I don't know what's up with that. You are l. We're hiring a time writer. Duties include generating video concepts coordinating with product managers and their agencies testing and benchmarking. Pc hardware if you think you're an anthony. Then get in touch 'cause we we just don't have quite enough anthony's so basically we got that and then fulltime raiders slash host. So if you think you're well an anthony or whatever go look at the go look at the job postings if your name it's anthony. Your name is anthony and you don't have quite enough full-time jobs. Then anthony go ahead and apply and we can. Have you worked one shift from nine to five thirty or whatever that mathworks to and then you can take an hour off and you can work another shift from six until about five in the morning. Maybe do a longer lunch so that you can get a little bit of refresher time there. You can sleep for a few hours and you can come back to the office. I'm good good. 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385: Temporal Smear

Accidental Tech Podcast

2:28:36 hr | 1 year ago

385: Temporal Smear

"So, what is this thing? There's a Apres game or something where you just have to hold your finger on the screen. What is the backstory to this? This troll thing that you posted head. Know almost nothing about the APP. I'm by her. Gathered from context is like it's A. It's a contest kind of like memory like Trivia HQ HQ trivial. Mobile game everyone can participate. It's like that, but the game is. How long can you hold your finger on the screen? And as you can imagine, people can do that for long, and if it's like a worldwide group thing like if you look at some of the timers, and some of those videos that I showed you I think some of them were at nine hours to streamers. Do it right during this thing. How long can you keep your finger on the screen your phone and it's surprisingly hard because you know you get lazy, or you get bored after a couple hours or anyway. That's what I was. What's happening? I? I just liked it. Because people trolling the a dangerous thing where the strategy was because they're, they're like streamers. The culture of streaming is such that you have to communicate with the people on the chat, essentially by reading their user names and addressing them right because you're there for nine hours like the whole thing of streaming like especially if someone subscribes hey, thanks, whatever for the two months description like this things that you have to do culture streamer, so they're susceptible to what's social hacking called social engineering social engineering you go. They're very susceptible to that, so someone just changed their twitter username to h. e. y. space capital, Z.. Space R. E. E.. Very good. It's very good so someone, so they would say something or subscribe to the channel whenever in the the Stream. We would read out hazy re. Thanks for the sub narrowed active. On their phone and that would cause their finger to be A. Full? Screen Siri would go full screen, and they would basically take their finger thing after nine hours holding their finger on their phone screen application did resign active Yup and. They didn't realize it was like Oh my God. I just activated the thing on my phone and full screen. You can't see it's all black, and then the screen goes away. What's left underneath? It is the screen it says you lose. From the finger homemade. It's so good but so. Doing it after nine hours is the best. As you you don't do it in the first hour. You don't do it immediately and just the look on these you'll faces the one person who just got up from his desk and left the room. And the thing is, they pronounced like there's no way that excavations. GonNa Work Hazy Re. Read it out like that, but sure enough to do. I had some fun this past week dealing with the. Our continued efforts to try to add the bootleg feed to our membership in a way, that does not require a ton of extra work. Challenge number one was I have to figure out how to make myself sound as bad as you guys do over skype. Slow down. Slow down a little more right. There's there's an or here that you're not considering so tobacco just ever so quickly in slightly. We basically have two choices for this forthcoming bootleg. This week is not going to be the week unless Marco News even I haven't heard, but nope sure. Don't waken either do the quick and dirty approach, which is basically take the recording of Marco locally and the two of US via Skype, and just throw that up after trimming the a little bit in the front of the end that is just private for the three of us, and that is what we broadcast over the. The livestream. Is it being broadcast from my computer? It is getting my local track, and it's getting John and Casey via skype. Which is what I'm hearing. It's been what we've always broadcast the livestream right then. The alternative is which for the record John and I have both independently volunteered to do. Is We wait for all three are files to be in the same spot? And then we used, we used forecast and other tools to just line them up in Barf out as quickly as possible. A lined up a local recording merged version of the three of us which would sound way better, but be somewhere between. Work and considerably more work right, and it would sound better. It would not have any of the editing fixes that usually do things like undoing, talk overs and cutting out really boring stories that I stumble over and try to get trying to get out. Stuff like that, but I've been resisting that plan because I know that. While lining up the tracks and getting the Combo mix of the three of US usually works well, it sometimes doesn't and it somehow requires like forty five minutes. Piecing together multiple files and lining stuff up and everything whereas the livestream I could publish in. Three minutes after he finished recording the livestream published very quickly, but just the the straight up bootleg that has them by skype in meave or via local. Whereas the the you know put together files. Thing could usually be published within maybe a half hour, maybe forty five minutes, but sometimes might take a couple of hours, and that has to be done before I go to bed for after record where you know all three of us are kind of reluctant to do a lot of work that late at night after retired. And it is, it is a variable amount of time that is usually moderate, but can sometimes be more moderate, so my my thinking was let's like from what livestream bootleg fans tell us. It seems like times of the essence. It seems like the main reason they want. It is to get it as quickly as possible. But if we can make it sound a lot better with you know half hour of work. Well, that's that's something. So. We've been debating anyway. All this is to say to my initial plan is just been put up the exactly. What's broadcast from skype? And and even though it doesn't sound as good people want the livestream bootleg. Don't seem to care and seemed to do seem to want it quickly. So speed is important to them seems so. I I had to figure out how to make myself sound as bad as they do. So I have combined a this i. have this very long chain audio hijack to do all this. And combined like a processor to basically be a crude compressor to really squish my dynamics into the same rings. They are, so we're all the same volume. then. The critical discovery was I have to apply a low pass filter to my voice, or I just lop off any frequency above about eight kilohertz and I realized then well. MP threes can then you can reduce the sampling rate down from forty four point, one kilohertz, which is CD audio quality down to like twenty killer hurts because everything, eight kilohertz, and below frequency wise can be represented perfectly with a twenty two kilohertz. Sampling rate and the very first time I tried importing one of these files into our CMS. The duration detection broke. And this Louisiana. Rabbit hole which led me to realize oh! Dropping the sample rate to twenty two kilohertz, no longer technically an MP three. It became an MP to. What. This is this is old like stuff from the nineties that most people have forgotten about. But MP3 which is impact one layer three audio only supports thirty to forty four and forty eight kilohertz as the sample rate. If you actually set the sample rate lower than thirty kilohertz, and or if you said to a certain certain subset of bit rates that are only available in MP, two and two point, five extension formats, interfering coders can still play it, and we'll gladly encode it, but it's actually technically encoding is an MP to file. It's still layer three annotated pegged to or this kind of. Thing that's kind of unofficially called. Peg Two point five. And all of these are part of. MP3 modern encoders and decoders, even though sometimes it's actually an pegged to layer three. As, you can imagine i. wrote the Duration Detection Code from scratch to read MP threes in PHP for cms of course I did. Of course it had an base this on my the same thing I. Do and overcast wherein overcast I have my own complete MP3 timing and seeking code, because the apple frameworks are not incredibly good always at dealing with dynamic Adam's. Apple podcasts or from doing precise seeking when the ID. Three tag is large, large artwork or a large lot of chapters in a file. So what I do in overcast is manually read the MP three I have to look at every chunk of what's called frame, which is like a certain chunk of audio and the format I look at every chunk. Offset, it's avenue store that in a seek table so that way I can precisely seek to exactly right bite in a file and have the duration exactly right, so you don't like run over and have it start counting up again at the end and stuff like that, so I did the same thing and PHP for four cms. What be so I would never have to enter duration manually said okay. I'm going to do the same thing I'm GonNa read MP threes. And it turns out that I did not support N.. P. Twos and so I've been part of what I had to do this past week. Instead of working in Iowa's fourteen or my new APP, which it or ABC lips or any of the new Mazda hosts for doing right now instead I was writing in PHP. And then later, and we have to see to completely overcast implementation, expanding my MP3 partying library to also support 'em peg to and two point, five frames, and all three layers and. Trying to look up technical information on the MP, three file format is quite an ordeal because the actual documentation that's publicly available for a of this stuff is like forum post from two thousand one. or no a webpage from like nineteen ninety eight. That looks like it's from eight. That like here's here's the MP three frame header layout. Here's like how many how how do you know how many bytes the frame is well? MP Three. It's easy. You can find little little snippets N. P. to. There's not a lot of information on that, so you have to do like dig up like Weird Form Post, and if you're lucky and obscure, stack overflow answer. About like how how many samples are in a frame? How big is the frame had like it's so I had to do a lot of like really deep dive digging to look up very old technology that reimplementing for no good reason, but for my own personal. You know obsession reasons. All this during the week following wbz twenty twenty. I'm looking at how to decode files. You can just find the SPEC online. I was unable to find anything that defintely included a lot of that stuff. Do you have to pay for it? Maybe like I mean I don't know if it's like an open specter for it's. You have to be a member of the consortium and pay money or something but I. I mean surely there is a specification somewhere, so Franck Hoffer was the institute that did most of the initial inventing, and did all had all the patents on it. As going to say, maybe you can find the SPEC but it's German right well. No I mean they. They sold they. They had their own encoder and reference decoder, and it's actually a very good encoder and I wish I could use it. And it's what apple uses in logic and an I tunes it. It's almost any commercial product that encodes MP threes. Usually it's using the front coder licensed back forever ago. Problem is when the through in the last MP3. Patents expired a couple of years back Fraunhofer for stopped licensing it because they can no longer make any money from its. They shut down the whole program. So now you can't get. You cannot license a new version of their encoder for a new product at any cost me I tried I ask because I wanted it for forecast because it's actually better than than the lambing Carter that I use. It's actually better than that at low bit rates for speech. As faster. But you can't get it like they just aren't licensing anymore so like it's. It's such an old format, and there's no more patents a active on it, so there's no more business in licensing it so basically no one has documented, and like the main documentation of it seems to be just like the source code to things that decode MP threes. They look at something that already had already codes them and look at the source code and see. Oh, here's here's how they do this. Okay. I guess that has to be hundred forty four samples long time. Oh look in this weird switch statement. This is one hundred sixty. Okay I guess value like there's no seeming concrete place to find information online delightful. Yeah, so anyway. That's why overpass has not yet ready for Iowa's fourteen. It's all our fault now to be clear as in the chats that earlier this all started from you desiring to sound worse, that's right. Yeah, it's me taking advantage of the fact that well, if I'm going to sound worse, mental say some space in the process. It's fair, but Oh, goodness, this is! This is a significant rabbit hole. NERD sniped real good. I mean to be fair I. Basically Myself, but I am very good at that. When it comes to audio low level audio hacking like I I'm trying to figure out what the heck to do with my code in this in the present day and I have some ambitious plans. Rewrite a whole bunch of it and everything but writing you ICU. Dealing with you I code is like it just destroys my my motivation and my productivity I. It at all and which actually might inform decision I want to spend as little as possible because it just sucks time suck, and it's paralyzing to feature development. But get me involved in a little like audio whole, and I will go. Dive into that and kill a day on some weird hack like. Tried is writing code to detect dynamic AD insertion. which actually partially succeeded at but not enough to be to do anything useful. But like I love low level audio, digging for you know things that might prove useful or generally don't purview. For. For. Doing this weird, MP three hacking. It's get great. Great joy out of it where I. Don't get that joy out of like. How to make another screen of YOU I. Hate doing? But this kind of stuff. I love his stuff. But you'll love it once you start using swifty. You I right now. It'll be fun again. A. Joke I think he might actually find it less tedious I mean, but that would require Marco to put on his big boy pants and actually learned swift. I mean he should really wait another year because he'll find less tedious until he hits the first roadblock and then will be like a high should just do this. Well and well. Yeah, so first of all. You're both right But I think. Okay so I guess we're talking with us now. Part of my thinking I guess this may be as follows. It's about. Books exists. Part of my thinking is that my skill set is rapidly rapidly aging at the the longer I go without really using a lot of swift, which has been the case like I able occasionally one quick thing, but I I'm still mostly not using it, so the longer that goes like I look at the content from WC and any modern documentation pretty much any modern sample code online blog posts, explaining new technologies and everything and I only kind of understand it so far I know swift the way I know Java. Script I can read it. I can write it, but never really learned it and I'm not very good at it, and so I tend to avoid it often at my own ex-, often at significant expense to like what my stuff can do or what it should do how it should be written. So. I can keep doing this and I can keep kind of. Knowing enough swift to get by, but still often finding myself translating a swift snippet I online back-to-back to see because the firearm writing already to leave it that way. But my skill set is aging very quickly. And it's been aging for you know what six years seven years now that's been out, but and the first couple of years I think it made sense to hold off. Let it get polished. All the stuff settled down, but we're past that point now for swift by by a couple of years at least so I need to be writing a lot more swift than I am because. If I keep going the way I'm going where I basically never learn it I'm never going to be good at it the same way I'm not good at script, but I can get away with not being a script because I don't mostly right Web APPs. I do mostly right Ios. APPS and I can no longer get away with not knowing it as badly as I have not been knowing not been using it. and. Swift Ui is very young, still swift you I is a couple years behind swift, obviously in in that that pattern of like when is it a good idea to really jump in on it? But Swift is clearly if not future, it is going to probably at least be a significant part of future. And? Everything is getting more cross platform. Everything Napa doing is getting more like hey. Use this thing, and then you can run it on IPAD and iphone and the Mac maybe apple TV who knows right, and if they continue to push forward into things like possibly a are goggles. GO ACIDS WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA. Call Him or Against including stuff like the watch, these kind of specialized things. Becoming increasingly important swift already is very very important. And I really don't know either of them. And so if I'm going to continue to have the career that I, have I need to know them like it's simple as that I need to jump in I need to learn them extremely well, because this is my career. And I can keep not knowing them, but I'm just making my knowledge totally obsolete. And if I went back right now and tried to get a career as a web developer. I really couldn't I'd be screwed because I did let that part of my expertise obsolete. And and I felt so far behind because I haven't been doing it. And I frankly don't want to, but like I've been. I've been so far behind. Web, development that like I basically can't be developer anymore, and it would take years to try to catch up if I really wanted to. I can't let myself get that way on the side as well. So one thing I'm thinking about doing is taking the next six to eight months probably and writing large parts of my Ui in swift and swift you I. Oh, Marco, no, no really going in and adopting it heavily. Because I don't like if I don't do that. I'm never going to like I'm never going to jump in. I'm never going to really get myself in there. I mean this might be a little early for fifty Y, but it's not really for swift now and my you is simple enough. And I end, there's there's parts of this Bri I need to modernize. Keep, my IRA, most overcast code like most of the basic. Stuff like most of the basic lists, the table views like the list screens, which is most of the APP I wrote most of that six years ago. So it predates a lot of modern technologies, it's still like I used auto layout pretty sparingly. I still don't do a great job of adopting to. Dynamic text sizes, which is an accessibility issue which I. I do want to solve and I currently do a pretty bad job of it. And there's a whole bunch of other stuff you get for free that I don't do or that. I don't support things like I have to manually do all the darkness to manually do all the font sizing stuff. It's just. It I have a lot of craft and technical debt in my Ui Layer. And I did I did all those great modernisation of the audio layer this past year. That felt great, but the US is really stale, and there's things that I wanted to feature I want to do their Ui changes I wanNA make the redesign. They need to do because the also by the way looking I. think very dated right now. Especially, the list screens especially the root screen. The it's looking very very dated fit in the modern aesthetic at. And so I wanNA, do us. I want to do all this redesigning I want to jump in. I want to modernize my skills. is a little aggressive. Like this fall or winter, which is when it would probably be released. But I also at the same time like. I control the whole APP I can I can do whatever I want like. I have no boss saying you have to support back to Iowa's nine like I. Don't have that problem. So. I don't know. Do you think it's too soon like if I suppose I like jump in this this summer like probably next week. I'll start. Really monitoring in a nice. Totally broken. Get Branch so if I start doing that this summer, I probably ship it somewhere around. December January, it would require Iowa's fourteen. Last year kind of bit me to require thirteen on a week two. And so I ended up going back and reverting that going back to requiring twelve like about a month later, but thirteen and twelve or thirteen fourteen have the same compatibility Matrix, so I'm not losing any devices this year. So I. I think it is long since time for you to learn swift I. Think you are a couple of years later on when it was reasonably acceptable to learn swift, I agree that the first couple of years was a bit aggressive to learn swift and I think that now you're a couple years behind when I think it was reasonable to do so. SWIFT YOU I. So I have not touched any the any the news with Ti stuff and I was fourteen and the experience I had with it in thirteen. I would characterize as pretty negative, but I need to throw out the caveat that I never really took the time to properly learn it. I was doing much like what you and I do with Java script where I just threw some junk. Against the wall and some of its stuck in okay, fine, good enough I don't think that I gave it a fair shake, but that being said I was not doing complicated things. I basically only used it for static screens and peak of you and I think like two thirds of them I. Rip out went back to you I kit because I just couldn't get rotational work properly, or I couldn't get something else to work properly. Things that I felt like I should have gotten for free now again very well could have been user very very well could have been there, but. It seems to me like unless you're doing something that explicitly require swift, which it's for example, the new complication stuff I personally still think it's a bit early for swifty why? I think that I might be wrong in saying that I might be Marco a few years ago. Saying I don't WanNA touch swift. You know what I mean I think. Maybe this is my own failings, expressing themselves verbally, but I strongly encourage you to embrace swift I i. I'm pretty hesitant about you. Embracing Swift I coincidentally I think John you've done more swift than I have at this point because a lot of a lot of your Mac apps or swift you, aren't they? There's not a lot to my APPS, but yeah. I intentionally used swift you I for all of the you either you actually see switch glass, which is not much, but. It's. A Fun, experiment and a lot of even for that limited amount that I did like Oh, it's just one little window with the. Senate well, it's a weird window. Right like it's not a normal window, and so a lot of the the hoops to jump through to make my weird window out of swifty Y which is decidedly not about that kind of weirdness. With you is like you're on your phone and you want list a bunch of vegetables like it's always what it is. It's like what if I want to have a window with no chrome, and it's not a rectangle partially transparent, and it accepts all kinds of clicks including clicks and has to process successfully, but there's no first responder, and so if you don't like it, you know it, it is actually fairly tricky, use case, and even even in this tiny little thing the stuff they introduced this year I was like Oh. My God I wish. Year. That would admit stuff a lot easier. As? You would expect. There was year to year. Two of swift. You right, so I think it is early, but the jump from year one year two is pretty significant in terms of like I would have killed for that last year, and unfortunately it's like Oh, I'll run out and use it now. Because there'd be cutting off, you know. Catalina. People and I'm quite ready to do that of people are going to stay. Stand Catalina once big circle out. For you considering you're to in there has been a big leap here and knowing most of what overcast screens look like. I think it is plausible that you could do all of overcast Ui, except for maybe one or two tricky bits in a fairly straightforward way fifty. Why but I would suggest to you is? Make like a new dummy thing with just a bunch of extra data that is the shape of your internal model logic, but is not real, right. And then just make a quote markup you I entirely with you is like a nonfunctional actually play any music, but you can go through all the screens and do all the things right. And to see where that takes you like. You could end up Casey and be like I'm on screen number one I can't get this frigging labeled to be where I want or screwed up I rotate are dynamic Texas weird or is this redrawing, but you can just say they can stop. There are all visitors next year because there's no way in hell, because that's a lot of what was happening with me Bangla head against something, and it'd be like even me. Having written one Mac at that point I was like I. I know how to do this APP kit. I could be done two minutes, but non-swiss outside. Spend our banging my head against how to do this thing. I already know how to do in this different API, and that's frustrating, but it soon you don't hit anything like that. Make essentially the the mockup version of overcast with all the screens, and all the texts, and just a bunch of fixture data, and you just wander through it with your finger, and you know the play button does nothing and you just navigate didn't like. If you can build that and if you build that once like in his empty APP. If you do that and you realize I first day, you've got half the screens on, you're like. Wow, this is and you're like is because that is possibly promises with you I. It's really easy to mock stuff up real quickly. That looks essentially finished. Threatening the data through a district here, and if you hit one of those weird bugs tricky, but I think that would be the least waste of your time is to. Sort of do that one off that plan to throw away just to assess. Is the thing worth pursuing because if you go into the guts of your real APP and try to ripping out and put a real view in, it's always going to be weird and unique. Trying to wedge it in with data that you have, and it's not gonNA fit Swift Marl. I would say just. Make a test apt to assess. Is this the time to do until next year because I think of it the answer pretty quickly. I think that's very reasonable. Yeah, that's a good idea. Thanks because like actually like I. I've done little test harness projects before like I a couple years ago. I basically wrote my own replacement for you split view controller to. Humorously enough to achieve a lot of the stuff that it now supports natively. But. wrote that whole thing I did the same thing then like I created a test, a sample project that ran like my custom container controller here and we just had a blank, red and blue screens. Really look the red is the detail the you know the other one is the primary, and and like it was just like solid color screens and. And just like large buttons just like push the next green pop back to the previous one and stuff like that so i. think it's probably a good idea to do this. You're right. It's basically cf are get. You could even go all the way if you wanted to go off and do. You now have the ability to do a top to bottom swift you, I ap as in like you. There is no main function. There's no APP delegate. There's no it's just swift top to bottom i. don't think that's going to work for you, but for your mockup purposes that might be a fun way to learn that because that also gives you all like the. It's an easy place. You can have window groups and scenes, and in addition to all the navigation. Push pop stuff, so I'm not that familiar with what it looks like on the on the side of things, but there's so much more this year than there was last year that doing a quick mockup like that seems. Like you'd learn a lot in the process first of all and I think as soon as you start to do one of the first actual real screen with fake data than you. You know you'd find out if you're GONNA have to lay out issues or not, because it's really easy to do simple things, and it's medium okay to do like. A little bit tricky things, and it seems like it's still you have to be a bit of a wizard to do very hard things. I. Think that's a very reasonable sussman. Mean swifty why when it when you're doing things that it wants to do is the work of fricken magic. It is incredible what it can do. But. When you go even slightly off the beaten path, just like you said John it gets real, ugly, real quick, or at least that's my experience plus very similar to like combine or Rx. Very very very different approach to you, I development, which doesn't make it worse by any means, but it's very different If I were a betting man, I would guess that Marco. You will try swift swift you I, you will find wanting, and then you will start digging into some of the last two years worth of collection view updates because who boy. There's good stuff there because you don't even need table you anymore. You can do everything with collection view you can do. A lot of the same swift is style. composer is not the word I'm looking for think imposible layouts in, and you can do incredible incredible stuff with question view now and and I think. For me. That's what I turn to I've been. We might talk about this in the post show, but I've been thinking about some new stuff for the summer for myself and I was having the same debate earlier today like don't want to do swift you I. I do I want to do like some of it is in you. Ike, Kit, and what I came down to. To was especially in the summer where I would want this to ship, you know right as I was fourteen lands. I don't WanNa. Be trying to bite off a big swifty. Y Project I want to do whatever I can you hit and use swift you I only where I have to. Your mileage may vary especially if you're not trying to hit any sort of urgent deadline. But Yeah I think if I were betting man, you'll end up using some of the really awesome new stuff in kid and I say that not a drip of sarcasm it. There's some really great stuff there particularly around collection view, but I don't see you going all in and swift you I. Yeah, I mean well. All know the you do it piecemeal, and some kind of hybrid approach is probably what I will end up with probably what most people would still end up with these days. Because, but the good thing is like time goes on I'm carrying less and less about the fine details of exactly how APP looks like Pixel perfectly because we're seeing is the way apple is moving like for a while if you would open up an old MAC APP like. Agrees ample. This was the the old version of net newswire. As MAC OS changed over time. As the theme of Mac Os, the graphical theme got tweaked over time not to the extent that we just got with big Sur but like the small. As it kind of it lost its brushed metal, and it Kinda got a little bit more flat, and a little bit Grayer, and then occasional transparency, and then lack translucent entrances again. We swear it's my vista this time translucence. Through all those changes if you were using the basic Mac advocate controls. The appearance of your applicant newswire like the appearance would change with the system every time the system changed appearance your apple, just basically get it for free. If you were using the stock stuff and not totally hacking the crap out of it or customizing stuff from scratch, right so it the closer you adhered to the system. Look, the more you'd get for free whenever the system had a redesign. And you would occasionally get even new functionality from the Bilton widgets in your APP without again without having to rewrite everything often without even issuing new builds, just the old building inherit the stuff. Almost always on Iowa's never quite work that way I s. we started out from this era of everything designed Pixel perfect down to the Pixel the whole screen was designed perfectly, and so that as the irs hardware, and as the Iowa's theme evolved over time. Absolutely get it for free. They would. They would make give you. This compatibility shinned Irap. Runnin, so that your APP would still continue to look old or be the size of the old phones on new hardware nuances because the scalable the the way the way ask for design with system framers were designed. If you try to scale stuff without the developer like opting into it, you break a lot of APPs. It seems like we're going. Is closer towards where the MAC has been in that in that regard where what apple is clearly showing us that wants to do. And what it's doing with its apps to large degree is. Push everything towards more and more stock components. Less customisation. Less custom controls more just using the stock stuff without modifying too much, and then letting the platform it's running on interpret that in different ways so that way you could have one code base, and with relatively few tweaks be able to have iphone ipad MAC via catalyst now in the maybe in the future with you I compilation for Mac depending on how much you APP needs it and stuff like that. You can have components of your APP. Running on the watching components near happening on the TV. God knows what else apple's going to do in the future. There they're obviously pushing more and more towards this this thing. I've just like stock use of the components as much as possible. Right now my APP is buried under a mountain of technical debt and custom crap in the US department, because I wrote most of it five or six years ago when you had to do a lot of that stuff to get good results, and to have your look competitive to have. It looked like a nicely made APP. But I think we're heading from that now like we're clearly heading more towards that old maxwell, doing things and these days breath of having your APP runner and everything having it look right and everything at least look decent on everything and having it fit in on every platform. is becoming more important for a lot of different audiences. I think what I want to do is drop a lot of the custom. I'm doing or significantly reduce on a lot of the customers stuff I'm doing and just use a bunch of stock stuff. This might even my custom font I've even thought about that because that's more complicated than than you might think of a decision, but anyway. I think we're heading this direction now, and there's always going to be the APPS that have. Six Hundred Iowa developers, and you're like what the heck are they doing day? Like those APPs, they can make custom. You is an every platform, although they don't usually usually usually electronic crap somehow, but anyway like after have massive teams. Let them do all the pixel perfect design, but when you got an Indiana like mine. That's really I think losing a lot of a lot of. It's a lot of the need to do that kind of stuff and it certainly losing the like value of like. Is it really worth doing all that stuff? Meanwhile, what customers want is to take advantage of all the new every year. I think I, mostly agree with you. I would say that I think well-designed APP stands out period in and say that you're implying otherwise saying otherwise, but I think there is still in appreciation for a really well designed APP, but I, think that you're right that it seems clear that apple desires and I suspect that we the users will desire breadth. Across platforms over you know Pixel Perfect nece on each platform, and it's not that pixel perfect isn't important. It's just that it's less important than used to be. And breath is more important than it used to be. Which I think is is mostly what you're saying, but I don't know I. I really think that. It's. It is four the best for me anyway as a really crummy designer and even worse, you I implement their. I can rely if I can rely on stock controls and get away with it, and I think one of the Nice. Things about swift. You I is that it makes it pretty easy to you. tweak control without having to completely throw the baby out with the bathwater. You know to add a corner radius if I recall correctly is pretty easy. Yo Things, which actually isn't terrible in you I kit, but I remember early on. It was real bad I don't know I feel like swift you. I have some benefits there but I. I still stand high I. Don't know if it's really quite ready in my personal opinion. And the other issue is if I do jump in require IOS fourteen like this winter, so probably after out for maybe three months is when I might require it. Then, and by the way that's optimistic like maybe this you I redesigned takes me a very long time. Maybe it's actually not until next spring or summer. Who knows but suppose it's like you know. December January kind of range and assuming Iowa's fourteen comes out. Roughly when I was usually come out. which is usually mid September or so. You know so. Maybe maybe it's GonNa be later this year because everything's delayed because the virus who knows but assuming it comes out you know roughly mid-september like he usually does. I'M GONNA. Have a few months of install base. You know if I release this stuff that requires choirs. How long is it going to be before I can stop supporting Ios, twelve and thirteen. At some time. But I don't know I. Don't envy you. I actually have my own problems like I, said that I wanNA. Talk to you about at some point, we may not get to it today, but. yeah, it's. It's tough spot to be in. This week by Lynyrd, cloud, hosting my favorite place to run servers, whether you're working on a personal project or managing your Enterprise Infrastructure Leonod. Cloud hosting has the pricing support and scale. 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Speaking of getting things today I spent before the show organizing the show notes and I put like cut points like because we have summer stuff that we can't get through it all. I was like all right well I'll just divide up and say here's. How much I think we can get through today and then the next section near so much that we can get through today. GonNa move over cut points up. We're GONNA. Do it very long show. that was not my intangibles. He would go all right, so let's start blowing through the rest of follow up and we'll see how lightning round we can make this lightning round famous words I can go pretty quick. We even more famous last. Time Hey I said I could do last time I did it anyway. Yeah, all right I wanNA. Go fast would be to cut this first item. Okay moving on. Often. I'll give you one guess who wrote this First Item Ladies and gentlemen did UK update I did not apply for one I believe. Did we talk about on the show whether or not you guys had registered I. Don't recall I think we did. Have it, but you did register John You also registered, and did you get one? That's supposed to become tomorrow excellent. and the other thing is like when you sign up for these things. If you re actually read, the little agreement isn't India that is basically you get the hardware. You're not allowed to talk about hardware. So since none of us have it. We can talk about it, but once we haven't really say anything about the hardware. We're still talk about on the show. I think the process of like porting your software, but we can't really talk about the hardware itself, but that's fine. Because other people don't follow the rules and so instead link to the show notes to this macrumors article at has benchmarks of the. which looks like a little Mac mini? I don't think anyone has really cracked it open. Yeah I, did see one shot at the inside the show like this little button batteries that run the real time clock and everything. It's a weird piece of hardware. Anyway anyway. The the upshot is that the benchmarks show and the word of this Steve Drones tweet the DA with a two year old IPAD chip runs x eighty six sixty four code in emulation faster than the surface pro x runs it natively. But just kind of sad for Microsoft. Right because this really if people say oh, it's like it's like. The the current IPAD. Yeah, but it's it's a two year old thing. It's an a twelve granted the Z.. It's got better GPS use on and so forth, but it's not even the eighth thirteen Alani Fourteen variant that's going to power the actual Mac so this two year old apple chip is. When running ex code in emulation is already faster than some other contemporary shipping arms stuff running their own native could. Anywhere, you can to look more info the. Unfortunately, matter no, no MAC is ever GonNa ship with the ship. It's just the. It's weird in a bunch of different ways and speaking of weird stuff with this was fun to see a picture of what the pentium four decay it looked like for the Intel transition, and how strange and lonely. This weird PC motherboard looks inside the giants Greater, case. Check that out. If you're interested in what those things are like, so yeah, we will be getting them. I will be putting my apps and we'll talk about the process according, but we can actually talk about. The guts of the hardware. Anything like that trying to figure out like how fast is the is the you know. The arm version of Mac os running on this ipad ship like you know if you measure it with benchmarks. Right now, this head of running emulating because Geek Bench is not yet compiled for arm on the Mac. But assuming that sometime soon somebody will probably run this on one of these things that that will be running a native version somehow if that comes to exist. It's probably going to be performed just like the. Like, it's, it's probably not gonNA. Be that noteworthy in you know how it runs arm code. The modern are are super fast and so I. Bet this is going to run arm code. That's similarly designed to be a benchmark on Amoco's. It's probably going to benchmark just like Ben pro does. You know. I think the real thing is that this actually shows off how good Rosetta seems to be so far, and this is a Beta running on like free release. So yeah, so hardware that slower than it's ever GonNa ship on right like if anything it really shows that Rosetta is actually not probably going to be too bad of a solution for you know for the transition. I wouldn't want to run like super perform sensitive stuff on it, but if runs this well on this pre-release Os on this pre release hardware. That's pretty awesome. Yeah, especially, going to be fine like this is this is running. If you had to kind of an old Mac at home, right and that's what it's going to be like like fast forward a year when the real max come out, there will be faster than this when you run your software. And it's not. The software hasn't been ported you know. This feels like running on my my current. Mac Probably. If you don't get a new MAC every year, so it's all good news in the performance front known as that anything bad to say about him about this about the dvr where it's all upside from here. And speaking of porting stuff I. Did I've already ported my to APPs ported in quotes, because of course I don't have any arm hardware to test on, but even with the current tax code you can build for arm. I can't run that binary, but I trust. Exco tells me that successfully built it just getting to the point where you build. If you're using stuff needs to change or any libraries and bottom line is I wasn't I had to do more changes for big Sur than I did for. Anything having to do with arms, because I'm mostly doing just standard stuff. A bunch of stuff is deprecated in big Sur and to mess with that and. I made some tweaks to a few of my things to. You know conditionally applies to new API's. When I'm running on big Sur, but be arm was the most consequential not of work had to do. Farm was figuring out the build settings to figure out how to make an. Arm, like nothing to do with the Kota just they were fighting EXCO so. Grandma. APPs are very very simple. So this is not representative for example what it's GonNa. Take Deport Photoshop or something but. No news is good news. As far as I'm concerned, that is excellent. We also have some news about Running windows on arm based Max, and it appears like that's not gonNA happen or at least not legally. Anyway I'm not. That's not how I read this right, so I mean. We know that you know. There's there's no technical reason why Microsoft and apple can't get together and make sure that our Max can windows, but we also know that apple didn't demo at, and you can't currently do it for a variety of reasons, some of which have to do with the specifics of the hardware, and the DA which is the only arm Mac thing that exists that I think the page sizes wrong, but more importantly, Microsoft only Microsoft unlike a windows for x eighty six, where Microsoft works hard to make sure windows can run on. On, any weird piece of PC hardware they don't do that with windows for arm like it's not, it's not like windows which grew up in the sort of open PC world where its job was to like I. don't care whatever weird vendor PC's they slapped together. Windows will figure out how to boot and run on it. Armistice windows farmers specifically tailored to the exact arm hardware. That window says it supports and not include that hardware. He's anything that apple makes, and so the statement from Microsoft. Spokesperson is verge article says. Microsoft only licenses windows ten on armed OEM's. And they asked if they are going to change. US, policy to allow windows throwing arm by smacks. Microsoft said we have nothing further to share at this time. Which is not the answer you give? If you're categorically ruling out in fact, it's the answer you give if you're currently fighting with apple about it. Like so practically speaking no, you can't, but I still maintain hope that these two companies can figure out a way to make them because I. Think Apple wants it to happen and I think Microsoft knows apple wants it to happen, and has a tiny teeny bit of leverage and are using leverage to presumably get something. They want probably having to do with office, three sixty descriptions or something. Through the APP store what I think, the the page size thing like like you know so the way memories mapped. It's you know it's everything is done by these pages of memory, and on most systems most exit systems. It's been four kilobytes, and on these are Max. It's documented to be sixteen and somewhere somewhere. either apple or somebody actually said windows can't run because of this like it can't run on Mac on on the. Case specifically as what rice and they also I think. They said that these issues will not you know? There won't be the same issue with the real Mac hardware whether that means the page we'll change on the real MAC hardware, or whether they think that will have sorted out the issue with Microsoft I don't know, but I recall hearing something like that. Oh that's interesting. Because I, interpreted with the documentation on the transition guide, It sounded like they were saying that. All our Max will have sixteen kilobytes, pages and periods so that and that's why this basically is can't work until. Microsoft add support for that, but apple being apple. Then they did not going to tell us what hardware is going to be like. They just vaguely alluded to things that are weird about the decay of the friend windows running and again this statement from Microsoft doesn't says Oh weather some technical incompatibility, but just make it happen, and they said we have nothing further to share at this time, which is the total corporate speak for? This is the thing that may or may not happen, but it's in like. Reminder announced this time means they're still talking to apple about it. If they had stopped talking to apple about it, they would have made a more definitive statement, so my fingers are still crossed. What would people do with windows on arm? Like on the map, like isn't the whole point of running windows to run the vast library of new and. Old X Eighty six software for windows on your MAC is there much demand for the other aspects of windows that you'd want to run windows for arm on the map I bet a lot of people run. Just the Microsoft APPs out hooking you. You know all the Excel and Microsoft office applications in their windows form share interacting share, point and teams in the whole day. That word. Microsoft wants everyone to do and the other thing is. I just talked about a million times. It's still not clear that this is going to happen, but it is still a possibility that. Want applicants off x eighty six eventually windows starts going that direction, too, and the you know basically everybody moves are like eventually in many years in the future, so it's not ridiculous. That could eventually happen. It's not happening now for sure Right Marco. You get this windows base army. Yeah, I can put into windows. What can you do with it well? I can run these Microsoft applications. Like I think a lot of people. That's all they do all days. They run the office suite of applications and. You know and download chrome, and then that's it. So, I don't know I wanted to happen. It's not going to make my expertise games around is not gonNA. Make a gaming PC but I. I'm kind of holding out. Hope that the holes PC world moves in slow motion to arm. Over the next many years just because we've had enough of. Say Six. Moving on. Rosetta tell me about when code is translated in what's going on there? This is a a embiid of a follow up on the exact nature Rosetta talked about doing going through great pains to be able to do all the things so like even you can even load help. Plug ins and everything like that. There are limitations to what they've decided. Influence limitations that they didn't implement the power PC. Transition, I think which caused them a lot of pain I think to learn from. but before we the first thing, is that the code translation thing where you know, it'll translate statically your application uninstall, or on first launch, or whatever, and then it keeps that code around, so it doesn't have to do it again. That translated code also participates in the code signing process to which is nice, so the signature will encompass the translated code, so you're more susceptible to hacking just because you have translated in theory of the job, right so that's that's going the extra mile and security. But, unlike I think maybe some person who has been memory than me correctly, unlike I think sixty km power, there's no mixed mode you can't. If you are a intel process running arm in translation, you can't load arm plug-ins vice versa like in a single process. You can't have the two types of code mixing together with each other. But you can load plug ins across architectures is always use XP. Apples cross process communication thing where you spun another process. So say you're on our native Mac, but you want to plug in its Intel only like it's binary only plugging. You can do that if you do it in a separate process and communicate through it through. SPCA can't do it in the same process. 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Dino jockettes tweet that warned us not to put it on a wall. Jump in and save me here John. What is the normal? Like. One of the advantages of AP asses within a given APS container. You can just make volumes all day long. You can just keep adding volumes. Each one on the can be the full size of the container you can add hundred does not. There's probably some limit, but making volumes inside navy, asking the hangers cheap, because they share all the space with each other, so you might think and I think we did this with Pathos Gav F S I'll just make a new container, and then I'll install the new. New Operating System that new are making new volume within this container and install the new system on the new volume, and you don't have to worry about partitioning it or anything like that. It's just like Oh. Yeah, you all get all the space? And then they'll just fight over who actually it's the space right, but then when you're done with that, you can just delete that volume freeing up all its space in returning it to anything thing no resizing partitions. No none of that stuff. It's all dynamic. Big Sir I'm sorry. This show is getting too too late. If you're thinking of if you're listening and thinking of selling big Sur, do not do this with big surge, not take an existing API container and quickly make a new volume in it and say great I'm GonNa Big Sur there, because if you do that, the limitation is that any other versions of Mac os and that same container according. According to apple a will. No one can no longer get system updates, so that's bad like you'd like I. Don't know even why why they allow you to do this. Like basically if you have catalina and you make a volume, and you install big Sur. You're not getting any more catalina updates on that particular. Catalina I don't even know if you can reverse it by deleting the big volume. and honestly I don't even know why it's possible. Also apple says the containers with non default allocation block sizes aren't currently supported, but if you know what that is, presumably, you know what you're doing So what Casey was trying to do is okay. I'm not GONNA do that. I'm not going to do the easy thing and make a big container in my existing. Container Survive I, keep thinking instead of I'm. Not GonNa make in. Do Fixer volume in my existing dinner? I'M GONNA make a new partition like old school old fashioned. Separate. Do that especially with this utility, it's cranky about like Oh you have data and I can't. All squished into one place and I don't know what the limitations offered is limited depending on how much space you have, and where things are arranged, sometimes it, says nope. I can't partition your desk because in theory. If you could partition your desk in that partition, you can make a brand. New AP affects container and put a single volume in and do big Sur into that. Number on the big sermons on make something violence on its own. There's a reason for this, and maybe we'll get to it later. Depending on how much time we have, because big makes a bunch of changes debut. It makes a bunch of changes that are not compatible with Catalina, so if you're thinking of trying out big Sur. Given its own partition for sure, but to be safe. Give it its own empty disc with nothing else on it that you won't be, you won't care. It screws it up in some way. Or just don't run the Beta. That's also it. It's so pretty though it's so pretty. Wait what? Casey really likes we'll get to that later. Oh. Don't don't hate on me old man. Marco saying I. Don't know, not me I have a different things to say. You should censor them, so they're easier to listen to. The the dialogues are terrible. The dialogue terrible notifications talking about. All right, we'll get there. We don't have to do this thing because we already talked about the bootleg stuff excellent. I will say though it's all the people who have signed up for from ATP membership. We really appreciate it. There's no timetable on the bootleg. Obviously, but it is forthcoming coming soon. After I've ever at my entire happens with. Oh. It's never coming back before that. Someone put it in here a point that is worth making everyone. The bootleg does appear. It will have curses in it because we're not gonNA. Edit it like the whole point. It's not edited, so if you really are dying to hear Casey curse with that bleeps, which honestly I think, he's less less funny than with the bleeps. Then you'll get that as part of the would like. It'd be that FM, slash join. The the beliefs are funnier than actual curse words I. Think too, but unedited unedited, so you get what you get. All right, let's move right along and let's continue talking about WDC and I assume we left off where the top of this document was. Show things around I tried to. Do, my best all right well I appreciate it. You should have done homework, but I appreciate the fact that you have messages in big Sur specifically. Screen, sharing still there John Yes someone tweeted out my early on like scrambling has gone now. It's just hidden where it's always been hidden. It's always weird defying. Click on the icon of the person you're talking to, but it's there. You can do screen sharing in messages, I. Mean I didn't actually try it, but the feature still exists. They poured into the chaos. APP So I was very excited about that. Although unfortunately, because it is a catalyst APP now, the apple script dictionaries gone which some people are upset about because apple script is on its way out, and there's no good replacing suffer shortcuts Replacement, but anyway That's one thing to note also. Anders! Nordberg said that you can use command K. in the finder. You know the thing that brings up, connect to server dialogue, and if you enter an apple ID, it will send it invite, which is not true because I'm like it possibly be true I tried it. It's not true right, but if you do VNC colon slash, slash sons, apple ID it will launch the screen sharing APP and screen share to that Apple Id, almost as good, so you can't just enter an apple. Id Right. By the way an apple these days unless you're still hanging onto, they always like email addresses, so it's weird, it's. Not clearly not treating it as a as a you arale because VNC colon slash. J DOE AT EXAMPLE DOT com. Does not say look Jay. Toe Example Doug on the applied he. Tries Anyway it works, so if you want to try that, you can do it, but. We'll put in the show. It's the full path to the screen sharing out because as you say skating. My. Mac doesn't have a screen sharing APP. It does. There's lots of stuff hidden in system, library, core, services, applications, and screen sharing Abbas one of them and apparently and understands how to find people based on their apple. ID, so try next time. You're trying to help somebody out with something. They have to be on a Mac. Obviously, although the VNC nature of the realm means, you can probably connect to them if they have NC server, but that gets complicated. Yep I use a name cake constantly to do this sort of thing VNC into my other Max, and so on, and so forth to do smp on slash to get to Samba shares on my sinology up. This is a useful tip. I had no idea that you could do it with an apple a day. That's very cool. It's easier and messages like because you'll be messaging zero uses for tech support so that other person is on a Mac and they're on reasonably modern MAC message with them, and then while you're in messages, you can find the screen. Screen sharing thing by clicking on the icon of the person, and it says asa share their screen, and you'll be off to the races behind the scenes, just going to launch a screen sharing APP anyway one delightful thing came from me putting big Sur, on both my machines other than looking at how beautiful it is right Marco is that when you do that? It seems to from what I can tell change for the system in its entirety that it brings back the boot noise, and I guess this is not. This is optional in big option and Catalina. In Catalina. Envy Ram Hack thing that I did on my laptop that a lot of people. But in big Sur, it is now an actual check box in system preferences that you can turn on, and you go very cool and I did mess with it with the envier thing effort went away, did you? Did you have the exact date? Like thought? It was catalina that it went. It went away. It wasn't an OS thing it was hardware based went away with all of the two thousand sixteen wonderful redesigns of the Mac pro, and then all the desktops followed after that, so the MAC pro didn't have it. I think anything with the T to D-. And even the t one didn't have but that I mean this is why it's confusing. Dribble because a lot of people like Oh thank. God I've always wanted to turn that off. And I was like, but it's been offer years, but it's only. It's only on hardware. If you buy new MAC frequently like the start the way you would experience it going away as you would buy new Mac, right. That's the only way you would experience. It didn't go away on existing Max, right so you an old Mac? It never went away for you. And, now you see this check buys, and you're like finally away to get rid of it, but if you've been buying a new Mac every year or something. It went away for a while ago. Now it's back who do that, yeah? There's a I did the the I'm turn it back on just because. I like the bomb, right. but when I installed. Ever like when I installed big Sur. I check the check box I. Mean I forget it was. Already messed with the Envier I'm thinking manually, so I but I made sure it was on again in big, Sur. And then like when I rebooted big Sur, it made the bong sound, but it was like at maximum volume so loud that it was distorting the tiny terrible little speaker enact pro. Distorting it was too loud. Speakers that loud, but you don't want to be startled. Literally maximum by like how the how the hell did that changes their volume control. I did a bunch of Google a month old Max did have assistant volume thing and. My, MAC doesn't, but it doesn't matter. The system volumes couldn't figure out how to make a quiet again so on check. The check box had to go back to silent I. Think it's probably just a big Sur Beta bug. Justin Catalina I wouldn't have to worry about that, but most of the time rebooting everybody into big Sur, so that's winning or the Bong so I've got some startups on issues, but anyway I'm glad there's A. Ball of all the weird things to give a check box to make up your mind. Are they going to have a startup or are? They not got rid of the happy Mac, and you didn't have an option to bring it back. Just went away. The startup chime went away several years ago on new hardware, but now it's back I. Mean I suppose it serves some diagnostic purpose, but in general people love to be able to silence that, because it like many librarians, but now say that. Are Glad that. It sounds on New Mexico's people restarting their computers in the Library Counseling Bong So. Let's turn I was not expecting. Are you part of their crack marketing team? John and we just didn't. Think about this like all of all the things to option, so we're we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA change. The gooey of the thing is like the general preferences or something, and we're going to put a check box for startup. Chime so weird I wonder if that will last release. All right all right. So what version is big? Sur these attended sixteen eleven. What's what's the story here? In last show I. Don't tell us because by the time you tell us like we'll have already known because. We recorded on the day of the keynote and we didn't know anything yet, but I figured by the next day. We'll have this all sorted out. It turns out in the situation is way more complicated than I thought it would be. Quite explicable. So you name doesn't give you any good info other than. Its Darwin. Twenty Point Zero instead of nineteen point five. Catalina was. If you do S W, underscore verse to give software version on, and you're running big Sur. You get product version ten DOT sixteen. and if you look at the about screen as we saw the keynote. Sure enough you get eleven point zero. All right well. That's like okay. We'll find. Maybe the real version is ten sixteen, but they just put eleven zero in the about box. It's just the marketing right then you go into X. Code and you look at your Mac os deployment target, and you can choose Mac os ten dot sixteen, or you can choose Mac is eleven. That's that's where I started to get really confused like okay. What what's going on here? So, a lot of people have been experimenting with this. This this is a key Rambo. Built an APP with the deployment targets set to eleven point build a MAC APP with the deployment targets set to eleven plano, and you run it on big Sur running on Intel Mac, like this is not the or anything you right you, you build it on on an Intel Mac and you run it on anti Mac on big Sur, and you get an alert that says you can't use this version of this application with this version of Mac Os. You have MAC OS ten dot sixteen. This application requires macro, west and dot or Or later you just built it on that machine. It's Intel you pick. Basically, you were able to pick a deployment target. I mean I. Guess that makes some sense. Can you have you ever do in like an echo before? Picket deployment target that is newer than the one you're building on. I don't think I mean I I've only ever done for for. Iowa didn't really apply like usually. Go the other way like my deployment target like my deployment target front centers ten dot twelve, because there's no reason I can't reach back that far. But, they you pick the dilemma target. The machine you built it on right so the homebrew folks have been looking into this because they've got to deal with stuff as well and there's a get hub thread that will shots. Someone said I'm told for Intel. S. WWLTV URS reports ten sixteen, but if you're on on apple silicon at reports, love and out none of us have our D. case. We can't confirm that at the time. This was written. Nobody had any de que. Fraser has said he confirmed this with someone in a lab in a later Beta eleven point zero get reported to APPS but APPS built on ten fifteen earlier. SDK's will get the ten sixteen reported to them, so that's saying if you build on the ten fifteen sdk like if you like, you use that bundle of libraries and everything to build your thing, then you're apple dot sixteen reported. But apparently in a later better, you'll get eleven though. So I don't know. Where we stand here. Clearly the the big Sur Beta that we're all running reports ten to sixteen. Clearly, it really is ten sixteen, but clearly exco says you can target eleven dot, O. Wherever the hell that is. Since we don't have already decays, and even after we get them, we probably can't say they may report eleven from WVRC so. It's all very confusing I'm sure will get sorted out some reasonable. A apple seems very committed to the eleven things. I feel like that's where we're going. Regardless of any weird ten sixteen things that might be there for backward compatibility with APPs built against shooting. And the one minor point related to this come up in the discussion in the last week is. What happens next year? Do we get eleven? Point one or twelve point Oh. Eleven point one. I had just assumed. Eleven point one until I hear lots and lots of people talking about unlike most of the world. Are you STU IOS? Which doesn't do that? IRS does thirteen point zero thirteen point zero point one like the next year. They go to fourteen. Right, that's what I always has always been doing so well. Just, because MAC OS did ten point zero ten point one ten point dude. It doesn't mean that has to keep doing that. Maybe they do eleven this year. Maybe they do twelve next year so I I am have no idea what they're gonNA do regardless of this whole tend not sixteen position. I feel like that will get resolved. It would make some sense to make Mac. Os Do the twelve thirteen fourteen. I think that would be. Potentially a mistake like said IOS. Fourteen is already. The numbers are getting bigger. The running was thirty six. It's kind of weird, whereas the if you do eleven dot. Something got a long runway before you run out of eleven's. I don't know. We sponsor this week by squarespace. Start Building your website today at squarespace dot com slash, ATP and to offer code ATP checkout, to get ten percent off, make your next move with beautiful website from squarespace Christmas, makes it incredibly easy and fast to make a beautiful, incredibly highly functional site and make it look yours and make it look great. Fill it with your content. configure how you want. And then it stays running without your involvement at all. You don't want so. You don't have to worry about things like software upgrades or patches or having to change the. The late to the latest version of plug. INS, or you don't have to worry about setting up cashing. 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So here's all the stuff I'm so sad that advertisers themselves on WABC where they talk about this stuff, but he didn't but guess what file system stuff changed in big Sur a lot in ways that have an impact on your life to the point whereas I think everyone who has run big Sur has found out when you reboot back into Catalina candidate does not know what the hell make of those the stuff you just put big Sur on. It will complain in the finder that that some that some file system is incompatible Casey. If you've done this, have you seen it a little volume? You have volumes on your desktop. You probably don't do. I. Know I don't actually only removable ones, but yeah. Every time I boot back into Catalina on my laptop, which is the one that I did the partition dance on in so it can still see one of the you know. One or more of the thirty-four volumes are containers that's created during the big Sur. Installation process every single time it complains moans that there's an incompatibility or something. I forget exactly what the dialogue is I got tweeted about it. This is incompatible file system. Basically saying I don't under one of these volumes. I can't I don't understand. The format is newer than I can handle absolutely true. Working as designed the that's why file systems have version numbers so that they the operating system can know when it's looking at a thousand that doesn't know how to handle, therefore not touch it and complained to you about it in incompatible disc, this disc uses features that are not supported on this version of Mac. Os totally true very good air message there. Do you see though? Do you see mounted volume called? Update I believe so. Let me look. Hold on, I. Do have a boots such. Give me one second. We'll put in jeopardy, music or something. I have here. Know. I'm sorry I'm in big Sur, that doesn't help us never mind. Would have to now if you if you're in Catalina and you and you have your big Sur disconnected, you will see this random volume called up date, and like what that is that is that malware am I like someone hacking me here. Why is it did I leave a disk image mounted? Why is there volume called update? So it's all very confusing, and it would really help that. There was a session explaining all this because some of the features are pretty cool now. The first thing to know about big Sur and apple on macro arm and stuff is the for. Predictable reasons, basically the process of. Booting. And updating the MAC on arm is very much like it is on the IPAD and the IPHONE 'cause. Wouldn't it be? That's the hardware. That's the system they have. There is actually WGC session vaguely related to this, which is explore the new system architecture of silicon MAC apple silicon. Max Lincoln the show to that one lots of interesting stuff there, there are many more technical details that they didn't go into into the system. One of which is that you know? We know in Catalina. Like the system the volume was read only right, and it was a separate data volume with your stuff on it, and then it was merged together for you to protect this volume. Well in Iowa and I pat us. It's even more strict than that, and so it is to on big Sur. On all hardware, not disarm hardware. The boot volume is not just read only. It is now what they call sealed. It is a cryptographic signed system volume where every single byte of data has associated. Check sums so I've we've talked about data, integrity and data rod, or whatever well one volume is not going to experience data rod, and not without being detected. Is a big Sur. operating system volume, because it's read only first of all, and if any of the bits get flipped, it will know because every piece of data and Metadata is check some way up to. The very top check salmon. It's script signed basically. The running system will know is any part of has any part of this operating system been modified. In any way either through corruption or malicious, or whatever so that's great, that's great for security. And it's great for you know Apple's first foray into actual data integrity. The bad thing is the only volume that you can do that, too right now is the system volume, and that doesn't have any of your date on like. It's just for the operating system that doesn't change. Does kind of a shame. They basically boot off of A. Read only snapshot bags. They support snapshots the updating process just like it is on your phone. I'm assuming your phone on your IPAD. Already do this, but practically speaking technically speaking. The best in cleanest way to do an update with a PF. Is Let the system run office snapshot that's only. And then do your update in an essentially another. It's like you know. The update system can mount volume from someplace other than that snapshot in read, write mode and put the update there like right. All the update files right right, essentially a new cryptographic cryptographic sealed volume. The volume your systems running off as not changing every single by exactly there's running off a snapshot, but then the update process in the background, while it's during the update is building and signing a new sealed volume, and then when you reboot just as Switcheroo and say now we're going to boot from that sealed volume. You can verify the signatures integrity of that volume, so you either get all the update or none of the update, and you can be sure that the didn't screw up that you know. There wasn't like a bad sector. No whatever they call them in. The wasn't some bit. Flip their cosmic ray or something right, so the update process has much more reliable. It can happen in the background without disturbing your current system. And that's great. And speaking of things using snapshots. Time machine that believes Catalina. I, forget what it is. The, does it back up from snapshot, so it doesn't have the painting. The Golden Gate Bridge problem wherever. You start painting the Golden Gate Bridge in by the time you get to the other side. You have to start over again. The salt is has rotted away the painting. Take so long. Time She HFS plus essentially saying I'm about to back up your four terabyte volumes, I'm GonNa, start reading files would read files, and it's reading files, and it's frightened to the backup disk ends re-involved. We take hours to do then by the time. It's done anything that happened in the hours that it's been running. Hasn't been backed up like depending on where it happened in the disk because it's walking, it's like painting. The Golden Gate Bridge is walking. It's going painting painting painting, and then some dirty footprint where you already painted on a got to repaint. That was dirty footprint. Before you know ahead of where you painted so far, you'll eventually get to that. You have no idea what happened your time. Machine backup is just like this temporary temporal smear of things that happened on your desk and time machine would like I. Let me let me just go back to the beginning. Beginning getting, catch up, okay? No, let me go back to the beginning. Catch up like you can keep doing that, but you always be behind by some window because you're trying to back up. Essentially a live file system is being modified when you take a snapshot in Apia Fast One of the great features. It's like look. This is a point in time snapshot of whether this looks like nothing is changing in the snapshot. I'm going backup this snapshot. This is exactly how the entire disc was at point X in time and no matter. How long that backup takes. It's going to be internally consistent right. So it's been doing that for a while last year. They announced that there was a way to do officiant Delta between snapshots. So you can take one snapshot and then an hour later. Take a second snapshot. Efficiently say what's the difference between? Sue Snapshots without like walking over the every single file and to be on. That's a big problem with time. Machine is always gotta say what's changed since the last time I backed up because I need to know what to put in this new backup, right? APS last year. Got A. that made it efficient few to get that answer. This year I think possibly the time machine is finally using that, so the first thing is that for the first time time machine can back up to in a PF s disc. This is not been possibly for Catalina, and and prior can only do a time machine backup to an HFS plus disc. Pluses always features like hard links to directories and all sorts of Mumbo jumbo. The makes machine work APS didn't have those features ABC, still doesn't have those features. How exactly it's working under the covers I don't know I've just been experimenting with it a little bit. First of all. When you back up through an API s you can't format a disk as F or like taking existing Abo this and say oh. Backup to that one want to choose. This to be a time machine target time machine says Oh, great goal! Can I arrest that for you? Why do you need? Why do you need to raise it? Can't you just twenty like for me? It was an empty desk head of New Empty Desk. Why can't you do back up to the other? Thing is the first thing I tried my old neck. Ten reviewer trick is you just make a second volume on the same disk and you make time machine backup to that which is terrible. It's not a real backup, right and time. She used the yell at you and say you know you're backing up the disk to itself right? You know and I'd be like I'm not actually making a backup. I just want to turn on time. She can take screen shots. Review, right. You can't do that now. I made a new APS volume. On my big Sur, volume. And I went to say okay and I'm going to select that as my backup this time machine time machines wouldn't even listed as a selection. It's like I. don't even see that that's not even an option. I thought they'd finally got smart and said. Don't let people back up to their own to the same disk, because that's stupid, but that's not why time machine can only back up to an APS volume with the role backup. If you have s this concept of volume roles, example volume role is read only system volume recovery volume this volume us for broadband updates. You can see where a lot of these line roles came from not from the MAC right. And like Africa, where there's a bunch of other ones for like firmware updates, system software updates pre boot this whole system where it can boot a miniature version of Mac Os, you can have more stuff running on the log in screen. Where before you decrypt the disc anyway? One of the volume roles as backup so basically you need to make a new API s volume whose role is backup when you just go to discuss you aps volume. It's not a backup volume was different about a backup volume. I don't know something's different. They're weird. When I made when I tried to go over to the command line, and it was like operation not permitted anytime tried to do anything. He tried to run LS and a directory. It's like Nope, what if I do it is? Rupe, it's like nope. Sometimes. You can poke around in it I think it's still using hard links somewhere is link count is high, but it only shows one volume i. think might be using snapshots. And each snapshot is matters is on separate volume anyway. There's a bunch of weird technical stuff going on here. We will link in. The show notes Apple's new. File system reference. which gives you some clue about the capabilities you can look at all the different volume roles. It's really a programmer's reference to say like what are the values for all the constants and what bits flipped in the field for each volume role thing. One paragraph texts about how sealed lawyers working what the check some data structures are, and how many different Shah variants it uses for the checks, and it's very complicated, but there was no sort of session explaining all this, so I had to on. Want to go too far into this, but I I'm trying to figure, basically are using snapshot, dipping Delta's. Feature from last year to make backups fast. So I made back up. In Big Sur to a time machine volume. And then. Duplicated one like one megabyte image, so I've now I've made a change. The disk and I WANNA I WANNA run a time back up again. In theory, obviously stuff going on the background. So who knows but. In theory it has at least one file that means tobacco. Did a second second backup, I did want him back and it was clean I. Did the second backup and it completed in one minute and twenty seconds, which may not sound fast to you. But I would encourage you on the back of your choice right now. It's not running big Sur do time machine back and just let it finish right and the second it finishes do a second time machine backup would you would think is basically a no backup right especially if it's working off snapshots and you have been doing anything, obviously some files of change, but should you think like that's as fast as the backups ever going to be in fact, do it. Five Times do a time machine backup. Wait for to finish to another to another to another. See how fast you can make a time machine, backup and Catalina I tried to run this experiment before the show. and. It was taking a very long time to do a backup like I just did. The fastest one I hear was five minutes. Does that mean the big Sur is using the note doesn't I could've you know it's a new disc? It doesn't have any data on ED. The event log is very long. You could be doing old-fashioned way. So the jury's still out on that anyone. An apple asked on twitter and got no response. If there's someone an apple, who can tell me definitively if time machine is using the. Inter Snapshot officiant different mechanism to make time machine faster. Let me know I'm not obviously brave enough to try it on my real system with my real data. but so far it seems like there's a possibility that time machine might be faster and even if it's not i. do like the idea of backing up the S. In one of these special volumes that's read only in has snapshot futures and everything. I can to help me back to my Sinology, unfortunately, because that is over S. Is decidedly, not API fessing other end of it, but. Anyway I was excited to learn through various other people's. tweets and articles that there are a bunch of changes. Writers will link in the shots the ECLECTIC light company. Quickly like company I think. Howard ugly is the person who runs it. To articles about this about the backups and the sealed system volume, so check out if you're interested. Do, you feel better having maybe a fast news I know you were yearning for it i. do like this is the slowest the slowest thing ever after they introduced that it's like. When are they going time machine? But I think I talked about it on the show before WGC. The answer seems to be that. Yeah, they did a bunch of APS. Related work the time machine so I'm excited to change all my local back of Lions bfs, even though they're spinning disk and it's GonNa be Gross. 'CAUSE APS is bad and spinning disks, but. If the Snapshot Difficult Fast, I'll take it, 'cause. It's certainly not fast now. Backing up HFS Fuss I can tell you that. We haven't done. Ask at in forever and a day I'm inclined to say. Let's do some especially since if you indulge me in the after show. That's GONNA. Take Wild but disagree. Notice in the show notes, it says. We're. Just go to apple platform to go to go to jail. You put a WHO statement in the show new show. Done Multiple Times in case he continues not to follow. He's a bad basic interpreter. Why wouldn't you just copy and paste? Long sections and I had to put dividers. We went through like a quarter. A follow up and then add the stop here and then we go through like a couple of topics gonNA stop here and there's there's more WC if you keep scrolling always be right, but I want to skip down to a this topic, which is touches on a bunch of Marco talked about earlier. And I think it's you know. A lot of people have been asking about it I want to talk about it before you know. Time goes along first exclamation exclamation one one S. Are John Tell me about Apple Platform Unification? So it seems clear to anyone that's paying any bit of attention that everything seems to be muddied. All everything's getting squished and everything else. What's the trash compactor from Star Wars? Why don't even remember what it's called? It's happening right. Yeah, and so It's always seemed garbage measure. And I had some ridiculous name or some world that it was a part of. It doesn't matter anyway. the point being that everything seems to begin squished together so what what's going on here? Well this gets to what Margaret was talking about earlier. What's what's the deal with? Also. He was talking about. What should I write my new UI in? What, what's happening in the world of applications in terms of do custom controls, or do the do all the standard stuff, and what is the nature of the standard stuff? Does it support all sorts of dynamic type sizing? Is it not pixel perfect or you're trying to control, so you can follow along with apple's changes in fashion. And on the more technical level I think there still. Is this question mostly unanswered by anything? Apple has said which is. You got a lot of API's apple for a lot of different platforms. What's your guidance on what? People should do and apples answers I mean they've been fine, but they say what they always say. which is like okay well if you're if you're making thing for. The phone you have existing code base new I get. You can keep using that if you've got an existing APP, you keep using that. If you WANNA try, you can, but of course is kind of new and then. We know all the answers like there are straightforward answers of you getting from Apple. There's an answer they can give you and you say. That makes sense, right. The people people want to know. At this point is okay, but what's the plan? And Apple's not big about telling you the plan for good reasons like it's fairly good strategy not to tell people the plan, but. I think. You know here's the thing with plans. You can have a plan, but plan might change and if you didn't tell anybody about the plan. They don't have to know that you have to change the plan for. Apple's. Apple General Strategy with this. Hello Airpower! Yeah! Well, yeah! SURPRI, but but even for stuff like that so Do Angeles one. I talked about like Oh, it was cool when we had a MAC. Pro Is Intel and I got a machine that could run like unity stuff, because time is UNIX and I could run all the magnate of stuff, and also could run all windows and Windows Games right? It was one piece of hardware that I could buy. The did everything it was a first class. Pure boot right into windows. Play all the Windows Games one hundred percent. Extremely expensive fancy windows PC also an awesome. Mac also had a bunch of unique stuff. Right the machine. That could do anything. And on the keynote episode. We talked about how okay you're not going to do all that Intel window stuff anymore and arm windows is currently not a thing. But What you have instead is a single platform that can run all the things as long as all those things are apple and there's a lot of not all, but there's a lot of apple things. That announcement that your Mac will be able to run. IPAD, IPHONE APPS in addition to Mac apps and different in addition to catalyst APPS. It seems like the MAC has become in a slightly different way. The platform that runs everything. which brings us through this Apple Platform Unification? Question again, so we're. Where are they going with that? The question is tied into that. If you had asked someone at apple many years ago. I see you've got this new operating system and you have an API carbon and cocoa thing with weird language with angle brackets. I'm starting a new map. What should I use? That answer has changed like they. You know if you'd asked about carbon early like Oh if you have an existing map app of course, use carbon. That's what it's there for it, so you can bring your existing maps to our new platform. You'll have to change him stuff, but you know you can use a lot of your code. Use Carbon. If, you're starting a new APP. Try out this cocoa thing. Don't be scared of the square brackets. There won't hurt you. It'll be cool, right. Eventually and there was a diversion into Java. Let's just set that aside. Eventually? Lots of people started make new objective. C. APPs wow. Single person can make a really full featured up with COCO. But some control only available on carbons, but you can mix carbon and cocoa with here's the new wwe session, cool, new layout or control thing, but it's only in cocoa. Oh, but this one's only in carbon hey apple. Why do you why are carbon? Why do carbon cocoa not have the same feature set? Because if I've got an existing carbon, I want this new control, but it's only cocoa and cocoa. APP wants this new thing, but it's only in carbon. And why do I always have to use carbon I use quicktime video things like what's the deal? What is your API? Strategy and apple would never tell you like up until the very last moment they would never say just right thing cocoa, 'cause. We're getting rid of Carbon Kissy that out just Koko. They would never say that because you wouldn't want to say that to. Dobie who's photoshop was brought over the carpet application right right up to the point where they did an air power speaking of what Casey said, they announced a carbon, sixty four bit and the last minute. They said you know what. Sixty four bit is a great time differently. Cut The cord on carbon. And they said even though we announced carbon for sixty four bit and actually I think they ship some version of it in some depth, build or something were not actually going to do that. So if you want your APP to come over to sixty four bit which you probably do eventually, we're going to stop selling thirty two bit Max. You can see the writing on the wall. Coco is the future. But at no point prior to that, would they have told you? Oh you should do everything in cocoa. Carbon is dead. But carbon was. Walking for a long time, and you could have arguments about it, and you could say well. The finer is co carbon and apple supports carbon, and it's appear, and they've been getting better about putting both features and things all the time. But a good rule of thumb is. If you picture all the API used to write for a platform like a time line from left to right the passes on the left futures on the right, and each API has a starting point and an ending point. The API's. Who starting point is farther to the left. They're usually gonNA. Stop sooner now. It's difficult for things like carbon. Because like how far back do I do? That Carmen is new with MAC OS and it starts in year one and twenty two thousand one well, not really because carbon has its roots in Mac toolbox stuff which goes back to like nineteen eighty-four. and cocoa that started in Mac. Os Ten right well. Not really it's from the next, and that's actually from the late eighties, but if you line those things up, and you push them back to the farthest point, the Mac stuff is older than the next stuff. So even setting aside the acquisition in the modernist or whatever. You had to bet just based on this heuristic of basically the old rapier is GonNa die. I you would say carbon is GonNa die I, because carbon was the past. Carbon started before the next stuff stuff in it into before the next to. Advocate. You know still trucks along. It is the native Mac Api. For doing Mac only stuff, but ABC it doesn't run on the phone or on your TV. You're on your trip like that. You get started with the IPHONE, so it's two thousand seven, so. Right, so you can extend that line out. If you had you ever, Zach, you'd say well. It You think is GonNa die I but if it dies what the hell people are gonNA write maps, right? Then! There's catalyst very new. It's a way for you to get you. I could stuff onto your neck. So you might think well, the catalyst is really new. That's probably GONNA. Stick around, but it's really just an extension of the line, isn't it? And then there's swift I which is super new. It's only been around for two years, but swift you is intention from the beginning is. You can run with you I. on all of Apple's platforms. You can run on the watch. You can run on the Mac really the same API for that, and it's like well. It doesn't quite work that great yet, but we're working on it right. Another, way to look at these, and we'll put this this image and the shots, because unlike described as not just something in my head. Who is it Darya? Route made this image on twitter. which instead of showing the API's long a time line shows them as bars that extend underneath apple's platforms. And so you can see advocate works on Mac os for Intel and arm, and you like it works on Ipad, IPAD and Mac Os. And you couldn't. Catalyst works on just the two of to MAC platforms. And you, it works on TV. Os And then swift you I at the bottom. This diagram is a bar that goes across every one of the platforms. Because in theory, it works on all. So. Apple's not going to tell you. That APP KIT is dead. Apple's not going to tell you that you walk instead. Apple's not going to tell you. The catalyst is dead and Apple. Certainly not going to tell you it's with you is dead, but one of these things are going to die. They're going to die an order. They're not all going to go at once and they're not all going to go on perpetually. So, if you're looking at apple's platforms, and saying what is the future look like out, password apples ever going to give me a straight answer out password. Apple even knows because here's the thing. I bet if you'd asked certain people. On year, one of MAC OS ten. They would've said COCO's the future no question. But they haven't. They haven't proved that at that point. They can say that all they want, but who's GonNa. WHO's GonNa? Learn objective see who's going to use this weird API. ALMAC APPS are carbon, right? You just have these weird ported next apps that are cocoa. No one's ever GonNa do that, but. Well I believe I believe that Coco is going to be the future. I believe new grappler. Developers will learn objective C and learn it to right on the thing that doesn't exist yet. which is the IPHONE and know that'll be the future? But at that point. That wasn't clear, right? I bet today. If you some people inside apple, they would say. Here's my vision swift. Everywhere it's the way you write for all of Apple's platforms. It's a single language as a single API. You can tailor it to the strengths of each system that is going to be the future, but like cocoa back in two thousand and one you could say okay. That's a great idea, but realistically speaking. That's not the. That's not the reality that you have not convinced me. You have not proven this with you. I can even do that. Like! That's a thing, right? It's a plan. That's an idea, but it's not a thing. And? At some point, not today, maybe not next year, but at some point like with carbon and cocoa. You hit an inflection point where it's like. Seems like coca really can do all the things they said and it seems like carbon is fading. And then for the next three years, apple will tell you if you ever asked them. Garbage cocoa their peers, they're both great used the one that makes no sense to you right up into the point where they say carbon totally dead, sorry. Maybe not the best transition they ever had, but that's the reality, so I've been looking at these diagrams and thinking about the low level, and at the high level, what's future of Apple's platforms look and I think going from the top, and maybe eventually getting cases love of the way a big looks the last episode. We talked a lot about how we don't like certain aspects of the way things look in particular. The similarities between IOS and Mac Os. I wasn't to the shot. I'm not sure this was entirely clear from what I said I did think I mentioned it at one point, but you could be forgiven for hearing that and saying. Oh. They don't like it because it looks too much like Iowa and they said there's no reason for it. Look like Iowa, but actually there is. Mostly, we don't like they look bad. Was Marcus complaining. Learn like it's it's not. We dislike it because it looks like Iowa's because consistency is good, and it has a purpose I think. But we want it to be readable a downgrade in terms of USABILITY, so if you want consistency, which I think you do, what make it consistent, also good across platforms and the consistency argument is compelling. I think because if you envision the MAC for example as the sort of. The mother platform that can run everything because on the Mac. You can run Ivonne, APPs on IPAD APP maybe eventually. You'll be able to run watch out APPs outside the simulator. Maybe eventually be able to run TV. Os APPS 'cause apple's platforms. All Apple Silken the all be on API's. That apple controls with language that invented right. This is the platform unification. This world where you can run all the things in the MAC is a thing that can build for all of them and run all of them, and if you can run all of them, and you can build all of them. You'd want the experience to be unified. You don't want the IPHONE APPS to look weird running on the Mac. You don't have the IPAD APPS look weird running on the Mac, you want it all to look like a piece, so the icons change in big Sur to look closer to what the icons look like on an ipad West Right. Everything moves around in the to be better for touch targets right? It's an ally. Show touchback succumbing. How are you going to use IPAD and iphone? APPS on the Mac without multi touch well, probably Max will be touched based right. You start to get a picture of a single sort of apple platform where devices can run all of the APPS that makes sense for that device, and the biggest and baddest platform can run all them. It has to have all the features including touch screen. On the phone. You can't run IPAD. APPS because small right? What can you run on the phone? Just iphone APPs on the IPAD. You can on the phone apps and the IPAD APPS on the watch. You can just you watch APPS I don't think watch apps make sense on the phone, and technically it would definitely be possible, right? You start to get this picture of a unified apple world where APPs looks similar enough to each other to be comfortable, hanging around with each other and every apple device gives you all the input methods and interaction models that make sense for that device. So the Max half touch, because sometimes it makes sense to use touch, so you need to make plausible for touch to be useful in the same way. The IPAD MAKES IT PLAUSIBLE FOR KEYBOARDS TO BE USEFUL PLAUSIBLE FOR TRACK PANTS TO BE USEFUL. That took effort on the IPAD to make. The driver used by the way the grit session about. cursor on the show that did that. Doesn't mean suddenly you never touch screen on the IPAD in the same way that it's not going to mean that you never touch the mouse or keyboard on the MAC. It just needs to be a plausible input method. And if you buy into that model which I totally do that plan that vision, which apple by the way not articulated, but it sitting there staring you in the face if you just look at what they're releasing, they're not going to articulate that grand vision quite yet, but there then you go back to the API question. How do we get from where we are now to that Grand Vision, and the answer is obviously swift Ui. But it's not there yet, so apple wisely is not going to tell everybody. You, that's a great APP Kit after you've got there and you. I could is awesome. Catalyst Great. Let's cool port your stuff, but like. The future eventually. Swift UI everywhere. McCain, say that, because it's not true now they have to prove it right. They have three or four or five years to prove that you can even do that job. And then they have ligaments. Everybody like like Adobe and Microsoft to get on board that train right? If you had told someone back in two thousand one. Apple will eventually convince Adobe and Microsoft and all these other big companies. To essentially quote unquote port their APPs to cocoa. What about old school, Mac developers like bb at it's been around for a million years. They're not going to rewrite BBN and cocoa there. It's going to be carbon forever or the APPs GonNa die guess what. At it runs in sixty four bit. It was a MAC toolbox application than it was a carbon application. Now it is essentially a cocoa application. Nature finds a way. It is possible, but you have to do it slowly. It's like trying to you know. Interest to a new home like you can't just all at once say. APD is dead and you get going away because people will flip out and it's not true it's not. It's not actually true that that's going to happen, but that's. That's going to happen right eventually. If all goes to plan if it doesn't go to plan, they come love plants, but even if that doesn't go to plan in the battle between ABC, kidding you I get which one of those things is carbon in this scenario? You I get spans a bunch of platforms. APP Kit does not. Happen only gets to be a longer bar on his diagram because they decided that. Are Macintosh two platforms? You've just do Mac as ABC It looks like tiny tiny little thing. So. As much as I love APP Kit as much as people love you I kit. And as much as catalysts is going to help, bring that stuff over. I! Feel like apples, grand vision apples. Unarticulated, but existing I contend the grand vision for their platform relies on the eventual success of SWIFTY Y. and swift you I have to coexist with imperative API. I don't know if APP KIT IS GONNA. I don't know like I suppose if takes long time. To come to privacy APP kit you. I can just continue to exist as the way you bail out of. When you can't get something to work. But I'm having a hard time not looking at APP kit especially as today's carbon, and not having a hard time looking at you. I get as. Having a super bright future in the face of Swifty, Y, which is just absolutely gunning for every single thing that you I could doesn't from top to bottom, and this is year two already you can make a swift you I out from top to bottom, and in theory not, but it's not true by the way like swift. You I use this. APP Kit controls on the Mac. It Uses U. I. Trolls. That's the reality of to that is what I'm saying like you say. Oh Swift! You is never gonNA replace it. Does he uses them just like cocoa used to use carbon controls just KOKO USTA use carbon to play video. That's that's where we are today. This is where I think we're going. Do I do I? Sound insane, or is this making sense studio? You absolutely do not sound insane. Yeah I think you're right, I mean. You know what's what's interesting. Is that apple said like like I believe? Creek Ricky said exactly in the Gruber interview this year. that like you know you can, you can keep writing rapid all you I kit Africa. They're they're not going anywhere. You keep running everything. But I. Think you're right that. You know that's not going to be the case forever and that these technologies are not all going to die at the same time that they will definitely have like. You advocate dies I out of these three. You, I kid probably less give longer, but but is when the time comes. It's going to be the next one to go. At this point if you want to write an APP that runs on all of Apple's major platforms. ABC Kit doesn't do that at all. As you mentioned that awesome, a tweet graphic were chosen languages. Span them all. You basically have two choices you can. You can either. Unless you WANNA to like you know three different code bases, but if you're going to have like just pretty much one main code base and have most of the represented that code base. You only have two choices, really you. I can't or APP or if you I. And so ABC. It's just it's GonNa. It's GonNa. Get The boot well. If you're going to only focus on one code base, not going to get. At least it shouldn't be. And I say this like I like parts of APP Kit I don't like it or not right my abstinent very much, but but I. Do you know I like what it does like what other apps able to do with it? There are a lot of things about the catalyst APP that I don't like. Still even big Sur. But As a programmer of an APP that has a bunch you, I code people on all platforms are demanding ports of it. It is really hard to argue with I should be using probably you. I kit everywhere which I'm already on. The whole APP so far and I was like I should be taking you I kit to the MAC, catalyst. And also I should definitely be writing most new stuff that can be written reasonably with you I in Swift Ui and that is clearly the future I mean eventually. Maybe not day. 'cause like it's like Coco in the beginning. You can think that all you want. But if you tried to make like an APP that did all the things that are good apnea to do in the earliest with cocoa you couldn't. It was weird, didn't behave right. The features weren't there right, and that's where safety. Why is now, but but like here's the thing sweaty why? With, you I didn't exist. This would be a lot simpler. The fact that they made by all means. They don't think it's you. I could forever. Because why would you make a second be to do essentially the same job as you like it, because it is old birds, not as old as ABC kit, but it's older and. Between ABC kit and you. They learned so much. The APP get people who you know learn lessons, advocate and they use those lessons in you with you. I is very different from both of those. In theory incorporating lessons learned, but also kind of a new. Take on how you do you. I and if you listened to apple's pitches for swift, you I and you listened closely obviously from the true believers and swift from the people who made it. They tell you it's not just. A different weird way to do things like maybe Casey with his combined stuff. It's They're actually it's related. What they pitch to you look if you have to manually do stuff when it's imperative Ui, there's so much that can go wrong. You have to worry about lots of things and deal with the manually swiftly. Islets not have to worry about a lot of that because of the programming model, not because it's a different API with different function names and different arguments. That's not what it is. It's because there are certain things that categorically are not an issue like the same reason. The case he loves reactive programming certain things categorically. You don't have to deal with anymore because they don't happen like the state. Isn't there represented in the call graph, right? You know all the things that. That allow these declared if you is to be simpler and allow you to write. Good Code with fewer bucks like apple itself believes that whether you believe it or not, whether it's with you, I currently embodies that which arguably doesn't quite yet, but it's two years old. The they made this new API, and that's essentially a vote of no confidence in you. Get an APP kit saying. We think there's a better way we're gonNA make better way. Because you, I get traces its lineage to advocate with traces his lineage to next up which raises to the eighties. And we've got a new language. And now we've got a new API. That suits it and that's their. That's their goal could end up like air power, but right now it seems like that's where they're going. So and unlike the diagram like carbon with this Bardo on my head that I should have made in real life, but didn't. Carbon has a hard cut off. It was like well sixty four bit carbon like just not gonNA happen, but in reality. Old! API's don't die. They just fade away like there's no real reason to do a hard. Cut Off so you? I kits fade out like the grading on the right side of that bar is going to be pretty long same thing with ABC kit. 'cause like they work. They're fine. ABC It's going to be around for as long as it takes a adobe and Microsoft APPs, if you I, which could take a decade and half. Whatever let's be realistic here right, but they don't. Those lines don't go on forever and the Swift Ui Line has just started, and so if it is successful in any possible way, it's going to same thing with I didn't mention this, but objective. C and swift swift is announced. Apple was all I got school language. It's really nice. Yeah, we should check it out at one point. Changed. And if you would set in that W C, C objective. Not going to be an objective said it'd be like well. This is new language. We'll see how it goes. Maybe right like you have to see how many years now if someone said check see will be the preferred way to derived APPs on apple forums is like it's already not. That time is already passed object to see what will be around forever. Thanks it'll be around for a long time, but it's line is fading out, and no one argues that anymore like everything swift. Does Marco said earlier in the everything is? All from day one every all the code examples had swiftly swift an objective, C. And today everything is swift swift. I think has proven itself to Apple. At least that this is the language of apples platform future, even though yes, they will continue to support and improve by the way bunch of cool objectives. The improvements is year for like performance, improvement and stuff. They'll continue to support it, but it's line is fading. Swift you is line is fading in at this point instead of fading out you I. Kid is totally solid. Get Out! Argue is kind of fading out. And catalyst is just a way to. Scribble over APPS line even more by saying. You I kid I'm in your base. WAS THAT ONE? I can't even remember it killing dudes Yup. I duNNO I. To say, but it does seem to me like. It is extremely obvious. That APP kits. Time is limited. I think it was very obvious before I heard your monologue and I think it's extremely obvious to me now that ABC it's time is limited and. I. Don't see a world where you I. Kit is going away as quickly as you seem to be. Implying but I agree that if there is only one way forward, it is almost certainly swift Ui, which as someone who really likes kit that slightly pains me, but but logically it's it's the answer that makes the most sense. I mean mean I like all the people who loves objective seeing carbon like you'll eventually get over. The the change happens slow enough that it doesn't seem so bad like it happens it. Happens soul enough that even Microsoft and adobe can handle it so certainly individuals variables fold over again. A carbon is the exception where there was just as hard cut off was really tough, uneven indies, but everything else that I've talked about. Is You know slow Apocryphal? Boiling the frog type of thing where Marco has been stewing and swift for so long, and he's mostly. You've been able to chill and ignoring continued to be productive now he's feeling the watergate warm, but no one's. You know forcing him to use swift. He can still get his job with objective C. it's going to be supported for years if not decades, but that's how these transitions take place. The more interesting story from consumers. Perspective of you're listening to all this. Api Mumbo Jumbos is what I said before about. What does the experience look like of using apple devices? And that's the experience that I feel like Apple. I was surprised didn't more forcefully pitch it. They again were timid about it the idea that. Five years in the future. There is one APP store. With apps that can run various platforms every episode. Run every platform, but you just go to the APP store. Angleton happened some of the APP store on every platform. Some will just run on the watch some run on the IPAD on the maximum on the phone, or whatever and it's all just in one big stew in the Mac. The whole point that the magazine says. It's the place where you can run. All the things again. Maybe doesn't make that much sense to run anything from watch os on your Mac, but technically you could. TV makes more sense actually run that UNIMAK. With big screen or something right, but you can do all the things in the Mac. You can develop on the Mac, and there's another reason by the way that you don't necessarily have to ever have X. Code on the Mac instead you have ipad apps on the back. To the other way round or When they eventually make the drafting table touch IPAD that I've been begging hypercritical days. Does that have to be an IPAD or can that be a MAC wants Max? Touching can rely Pat APPs. There's no reason needs to be an IPAD, so the MAC will continue to be the shield as I think gruber. was. To allow the IPAD and the iphone to remain lighter in terms of conceptual load and complexity. By doing all the things a touch base. Drafting Table Amac that runs MAC OS on arm. All IPAD APPS with multi touch. Problem solved right so easy to do. How many years we have to wait for that, but. That's the future I see, and by the way, yes, in that future, everything looks similar enough to each other that having an altogether on the same screen. Is Not Jarring and that the MAC controls all aren't all teeny tiny, and the IPAD and iphone controls are all big. They're getting close enough to each other that there's a family resemblance. And that all input methods that are plausible. Can Be used. Thanks to our sponsors this week. squarespace Mac welded, and Lynn owed and thanks to our members. If you want to become a member, go to ADP. Slash joined otherwise. Thank you very much. We'll talk to you next week. Now, this show is over. They didn't even mean to begin because it was accidental. Accidental John. Research Margolin Casey wouldn him because it was accidental. was accidental. You can fund the show today. And if there. S, e Wa L. I assess. That's Casey lists and a SEO Ram. Marco Arment. USS Syracuse. Do. Casey I noticed that on twitter. You were talking about Calorie counting as the thing you starting on the to hear more about that. How how That's fine so I've been on a meandering fitness journey for the last year or two I don't remember exactly what it started, but something like a year or two ago Aaron started doing some exercise videos at home and the particular one she was doing. We're through beach body which I think we may have talked about this on the show before, but if you're familiar with each body and going Oh God, Oh, God, Oh, God so beach is without doubt, one hundred percent and Mlm like pyramid scheme, a million percent, and you can easily get sucked into the become. Become a coach thing of beach body where you're trying to recruit people and Blah Blah Blah total MLM garbage right not denying that at all. However, the other side of each body is put out a poll crud load. They have basically a Netflix of exercise videos, and I've done one of their programs a couple of years maybe four times through now I actually really like it and Aaron stunt several their programs, and she really likes them so putting aside the. MLM portion of it if you just focus on the Netflix. Exercise portion of it. It's actually pretty good and so I've done a kind of weightlifting into program a few times through and I also like to run on occasion. my Achilles Heel I've I've had it looked better year ago and it. Supposedly, my right Achilles has a bur- a bone spur on it I'm literally I was. Getting in a sentence like my Achilles heel is. Too much time on projects, dealing with my garage door I your actual Achilles. My? My biggest fault is that I can find no fault. My little tendon or someone something in that region, it gets a little finicky, so if I run too much, it's not a good idea plus running's really kind of terrible for you. Anyway. but I love it, I, do enjoy running in no small part. Thanks to overcast for the Apple Watch. Moving right along. But Anyway so, we were at the beach last week and This is deeply embarrassing, but I'll just come out and say There was a couple with two small children, the bigger than our small children, but still with two small children, and the two of them were like ridiculously toned and stick thin, and I just looked over and I was like. How do you do that like I? Don't view myself as a particularly large fellow, but these two were like. Ridiculously like picturesque, adult man and woman, and yet they had children, which is when usually your body false apart especially for women, but even for men, and so I look over them and I'm like man. I got it. There's gotta be somewhere between where I am and there that I can try to reach for and so when I got home about the same time Erin and I both independently thought you know what we should start paying attention again. In the chat team out the Jetson Casey, listen not a large fellow, but is he a big Sur? It's very very good. Sorry I got derailed there anyways, so we thought ourselves independently, and then said to each other we should probably start paying more attention to what we what we eat again and I used on and off of the years of used an APP called. Lose it to kind of Calorie, count and track and I mean again I. I don't think I'm in desperate need of. I don't even really think I need to lose weight as much as I need to move it around. Like I wish I could just push it from. A little bit larger than I want midsection area to like my stick, thin legs and arms like if I just squeeze it to other parts of my body, that'd be great I. Did it with hair? That'd be wonderful. Same thing they get them all off my back and just move straight up I don't think I. Don't think you want the back here on your head at this point. I'll take whatever I can get it. Oh, this is going to be the best episode ever so anyway so I went casting out because I started using lose it again for literally a day and lose. It is very full featured like you can scan barcodes and has a very robust database of of foods in calorie counts and nutrition formation. I haven't paid for it to be honest. But I I didn't really feel like I needed any of the perks that came from paying for it and I'm just looking at this APP and it's just visually it's an it's an assault on the eyes it's it's it's offensive. How ugly it is I just I hate how it looks and using it is not. All that much better, and so I went casting about for an alternative to it, and what I've been using for the last forty eight hours and and I like a lot. I don't know if it's quite perfect, but I like it. A lot is a and I love the name. It's called Food Moms F. O. D. N. M. S. and it's actually by the husband of a friend of mine which is super cool and I didn't even know that that that is husband did this APP which is also super cool I wish I'd known it, but anyways It's very well designed extremely well designed a couple of of interactions. I don't totally love, but I've already been exchanging tweets with the developer, and he seems super responsive to you know making changes and improving the APP in any way possible. But that's many many many words to say I think it's probably unwise for me to continue to only lightly pay attention to what I eat and. Calorie counting is arguably more about weight loss. Anything else I don't necessarily. Need to lose weight as much as I feel like I want to be more conscious of what I eat and get a little bit more toned and just try to be healthier. Now coincidentally in this in the show notes for in our after show section, you had made a one off comment, Marco, at some point about running and I'd like to explore that, but I'm not trying to necessarily take the spotlight off me. If you have any, follow up questions I'll keep on you for a little while longer. So. Yeah, I mean basically I. Think you? You seem like you're on the right track here. I used to use lose it. Jeeze, probably ten years ago now it's not a new. And as I was like, it was basically the first time I've ever tried to diet and and so I there and I read the holy the Hacker Diet thing Roche calories in calories out and I mean that's not entirely accurate, but it gets you in the Ballpark so. I actually found Calorie counting extremely helpful. It be a basically taught me like what is expensive and what is cheap to eat? Yeah, yeah, it's not I. It's hard for me to keep that up as a weight loss tool. Because it I hit a point where I just miserable all the time. That's the only thing I'm doing I found much for weight loss. I've found it much more effective to reduce carbs than than to strictly reuss galleries because reason carved. I have found makes it easier for me to keep the calories down because the things. I'm still eating. Keep me full for long. So that's that's a whole thing. That you will probably discover if you haven't already. But I think you are. You are wise to separate out the concerns between fitness and weight loss. Those are two very different things and I think one of the great failings of American culture is that we seem to have convinced ourselves that they are the same thing that if you want to lose weight. The thing you should do is go to the gym sometimes. And that is terrible advice. Those are totally separate things, and you should have your weight in a healthy range of possible, and you should keep your body in a state of relative fitness if at all possible. But those are two totally separate things that you can do one or the other ideal. You do some of both. But you in order to lose weight. Running a couple of times a week or going to the gym, a couple times a week or hell, even if you go to the gym for like an hour a day. If. You're still eating a whole bunch of garbage like you're not gonNA lose any weight like it's, it's very helpful to treat those things but I. Sorry for all the thunder sounds be necessarily hurt is. Quite loud over here, but I'M GONNA. Keep going. I swear isn't the spooky of a topic. You should lose weight boom right. Stop eating everything that tastes good crash. But. Like you know I feel like the more that you can do. You are listening as well and I'm talking to myself as much as anybody. The more you can do, separate out fitness from weight loss. The more effective you'll be at both. Because they are two very different things fitness. There's lots of options for weight loss. They're the you know. You can do a bunch of different ways. There's a whole bunch of stuff that works a little bit hoboken. If it doesn't work at all fittings that work a lot yet. Generally calorie restriction is the way to do it. for the most part again. Talk to your doctor et Cetera however there are you know healthier and less healthy ways to do calorie restriction and again like? Like I I think carbon reduction is one of the easiest, because like you start seeing how how much for instance if you if you drink calories and I'm not just talking about alcohol. Just you know stuff like drinking, soda, or having sugar and milk in your coffee like that stuff adds up if you can cut out drinking as many calories as possible, that's an easy win because drinking calories don't do anything for you, they don't. They're not helping you at all keeping you full. And then you know in the way that Calorie counting taught me to start looking tricia labels a little more carefully and to start learning like. You know what turns out like our our obsession with things like? Olive oil and everything you need oil in most things, and it's horribly unhealthy for you. Good for you hold on hold on a second Italian coming in here all the good fat. Italian guess what oils are terrible for you like. Tiny amount of really that is also terrible for you. Just don't have much of it and definitely don't heat it. Just drink a cup of Volvo Dan. You'll be grit. Yeah, right? God, but yeah, like there are things that people think are healthy that aren't. There are things that you assume that you have to have in your diet that you might not need to or that. You might need a lot less of. CARB reduction can get you very far down the road of reduction. Now there are ways to do it stupidly, and there are ways to do it smartly like my my way of doing it for the last couple of years has been. I'm not going to count the carbs in vegetables like so I. Mean An and considering potato of. Cheating, but like you know I'm not gonNA. Count like whatever's in a leafy Greens I use main leafy Greens I want to, and it's. And it's so ungraceful. I literally by the boxes of the prewashed lettuce. One of those like medium sized boxes about the size of like two books stacked up. I'll just eat one of those like with a meal by hand, just grabbing the lettuce like eating chips just as part of the meal for lunch like of Boxer Lettuce, and you know some chickens out or something you know. Don't count calories in Greens. God? That's big thunder wow. Power. Presuming Casey eats any Greens. That's true. Excuse me, sir. Do you know what I had for lunch? Every day I have a salad. Last time we asked you. You said you had a grilled cheese sandwich. Yeah and then like bluster all spike. In finale to smell it, every chases vegetable right right. That's how it works. In this thing that Marcus set between fitness and weight loss my advice to you Casey. Is Forget about the weight loss. Just do the fitness because nobody cares what you look like like. Not you know what I mean. You're not a model for your profession. You'RE GONNA. Look like what you're gonNA. Look like within reason, obviously, if you're you know, control your diet in some reasonable way, but like don't think that you're going to have the chiseled physique because you're not like the what it takes to get chiseled physique. More time and. That's not going to happen, but fitness keeps you alive like all the things about like. Oh of your slightly overweight. You're going to die earlier. That's not like. That's not necessarily the case. If you are fit, if your internal or all work well, if you can get oxygen to your blood, easily of your heart is strong, that will keep you alive until Alzheimer's gets you but anyway. Fitness is way more important than quote. Unquote weight loss, because if you're trying to lose weight for some vanity reason, that's the wrong way. You want fitness to live to see your grandkids right? Fitness is what you want to go for, and by the way, if you over fitness, you will as a side effect experience. Some amount of what you want, which may not manifest as weight loss, but will manifest as a body shape that is nicer because it's impossible to doggedly pursue fitness and not essentially redistribute your weight at the very least, if not lose weight, so I would say forget about weight loss. Go for fitness and everything else will follow much of what John is saying is true, but I think having. Course corrections in both areas are usually, but you can't. You can't pig out, but like look. At Casey, he's not picking out as he's not does not have a massive weight problem that we need to address because he's having twelve dozen eggs every day for breakfast like this is not happening. Diet is reasonable issues, probably eating garbage, but reasonable issue firms of. Honey you're like six foot something Casey. How much do? I'm six foot. How about one hundred sixty this result? So like! What are you even worried about? Fitness is all you care about and then finding the right way to get fitness like. One, hundred sixty. Our listeners are screaming at you right now. Over listeners who are not that are screaming at you, saying you are not that much heavier than me for being so much taller than me. And I mean the thing of it is is that I have been I've not been as consistent with exercise as I'd like, but I've been. I'm probably the best shape I've ever been in in my life in terms of like physical abilities like you know just the other day, it was a week or two back. On a mile. I typically would run about a five k. from going to go for a run, and just a couple of weeks back around a mile heart, and I was within like twenty seconds of the fastest mile ever ran in highschool now to be clear, I always have been a deeply on athletic human being this is why I'm a computer nerd, but or maybe I don't know maybe the computer nerd came I do, but anyway I ran a reasonably quick mile for my body, and I think you know certainly that's something that I'm proud of I have something that vaguely resembles the bicep. Vaguely resembles TRICEP. Which is new for me? I've never had those before, so that's Kinda neat now. If anyone else looked at it, they'd be like what but I can tell and that's kind of all that really matters. And I I've been relatively consistent with the fitness over the last year or two, but my choices with regard to diet. Have ranged from. Don't care too well. I should probably be a little more. A little more considered that I am, and then occasionally I'll go through Pittsburgh of y'all. I'm actually doing a really good job I mean generally speaking. My daily diet is I have a fruit smoothie for breakfast and it's just you know like half a banana, handful, strawberries, handful blueberries, and some protein powder and some soya milk, and that's it. That's the whole thing. That's my whole breakfast massive. A huge amount of No doubt no doubt, but it's. It's a lot better than having. A lot better than having a couple of Eggos, which I did Twenty fifteen twenty years ago. You know what I mean probably. Goes but gone. It's slightly better maybe. Get some fiber, with, the fruit. Out. There are many many worse choices that I could be making. Can we at least agree that? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I. Think I mean Your Diet is probably if you just like if you just did the thing where you take like the amount of whatever you're currently eating, take less than the normal amount that you would make that. Small adjustment would probably have right shedding small. Small amounts of pounds litter without changing anything, and then if you actually go far enough and say well, maybe I shouldn't have a sugar filled smooth fruit smoothie every single day for breakfast, but instead have like I don't know something else like just fruit by itself, and with like an egg or something one of those days anyway like minor adjustments would have a big effect on you. But like honestly you're six foot one sixty. Like what is your your target weight like you don't need to lose weight. You just need to redistribute a little bit I. Don't think I need to lose very much. I just I looked down at my gut, and it's not. It's not the frigging six pack. This guy who must have been about the same age as me because his kids were both quite a bit older. You're not going to get a six pack with massive. Intake and parents of working out, but you can move. Some of that got around, but just doing a couple more weight lifting exercises agreed. We agree and what I haven't had. A chance to say is because I keep interrupting myself much less. The two of you is that I. Know I keep going on these. I think one of the benefits that I have from entering the Food I. Consume, and this is not unique to Casey. Then this is a very common thing, but a Ben. One of the biggest benefits I get is just being more considered about it because I will idly go grab something that is truly terrible for me to eat. If left my own devices I'll. I'll throw down club crackers like like. It's like they're going out of style. Those are so good and so good. They're loose. Yourself acts. Don't have them in the house. No food after eight PM. There's all sorts of very simple rules. You can use to trim the worst of your bad habits. Yeah, like. Why are you buying club? Crackers like I to me. It is so good. They're like drugs for me, but that's. Bought them in fifteen years because I know. I luckily. Garbage foods saved from being tended by them. But the thing of it is just the fact of me entering when I if I were to go and grab a club cracker to. Leander Shamefully enter it. Then I'M GONNA. Choose differently like almost every night. Every put the kids to bed. There's a couple of hours and earn and I'll stay up and. Nine Times out of ten. I'll grab something to munch on. What I'm teaching myself over just the last couple of days when I've been re. Entering stuff again is I. Don't I'm not hungry. I WANNA. Eat Like I. don't need to eat anything. Not Actively Hungary most times I just wanted I just like the act of eating and again I don't think this unique to me, but just by virtue of having something some amount of accountability. I think it's it's made. It's made me make better choices, not only in terms of what I grab to eat the other day I grabbed an apple instead of fifteen crackers. Ever I mean I'm over emphasizing how many crackers you? Know the the the plastic sleeves of club. Crackers have the similar problem as the girl scout cookies, which is, there's no way to open the P- the package that comes that they come in without exposing like five or six cracker edges to the air. Well, then you have to eat them otherwise they'll go stale have do you have no choice in the process of getting those out of the bag? The cracks spreads down the bag and exposes five more crackers, and then it's like well. You have to be able to roll up the bag nicely, so you can't stop your. You have to take these five first then you can donate if they will not. To go stale, actually concern. You can. You can just just just just wait Casey his. You Want WanNa glimpse of your future by the way just wait until your kids enter their teen years and start eating a bazillion calories. Modeling a behavior that you cannot and should not follow because. When you're a teenage boy. The amount of calories did. You see them do that in a eat all your food and be if you're anywhere near them, you like mirror their behavior. Sit Down at the table. Have Lunch together. Here's your lunch near as my lunch and you're still in the lower. It's like that lunch bigger than the kids lunch. That's going to reverse it better reverse because you should not be eating the same lunches, your teenage son so just keep that in mind for your future. Whatever you're doing now. That like maintains your current weight. You're, GONNA have to be more strict. Time goes on as we get older and we don't change our habits like it. It gets harder to get in shape. It gets harder to stay in shape. It gets harder to maintain weight and easier to gain weight so it's it's. It's good to start this process now and to make minor course corrections if you have to even if it doesn't seem like anything's urgent right now. Although plan on gaining a pound a year for the rest of your life justify. Or door say no. Say You know what I'm not going to. It's one. It's hard, really hard. You have to fight against it for example to control the snacking like that is largely a habitual thing. Here is certainly a habit of like that. Many of us get into have of like Oh. We're GONNA, Watch. We'll grab a snack like that's once. You're in the habit heartbreak, but also. Part of that is the food you're choosing to eat. If you eat like a really like you know protein fat heavy dinner, then you're going to be two full to want to eat like you're. You're not gonna I think about it. One of the things that that I learned going lower car was like the the blood sugar up and down cycle that you get on like when you're eating a lot of sugary stuff, lot of stuff like you eat, and then you know your sugar rush eventually crashes, and then a couple hours later. You want a snack. And once you break that and you're not having a lot of sugar or carbs anymore that up and down pattern that rollercoaster levels out big time, and it's a lot easier not to eat more. It's not easy onto snack Morris. A lot easier to make better choices like. And Fruit. Tell you. Up there with oil is like things that most people overestimate the health benefits of and things that are best enjoyed an extremely small amounts, not like for instance anything like. When you're when you make us movie I, don't know what kind of race you used like when when one makes smoothly when most people makes movie. This quite a bit of fruit in there. To mention the fact that there that the other ingredients movie might also be sugary things like soya milk, quote, unquote, milk right off, just sugar every milk from cow milk to all the alternatives that tastes like anything is sweetened you, you know 'cause you can buy unsweetened version of some of them, and they taste like they're horrible. Nobody wants them. Almost all of those milks including actual cow milk that we just call milk. Do have a non trivial and a sugar on them. So that's you're you're adding sugar their sugar? The fruits also the way your body processes sugar is. is, different, if it's already all ground up, versus if you're eating a blueberry, and just chewing it like once before you swallow it like so like you also don't want to have like a rapid spike in sugar, which you get, if something's already been blended or processed versus like if you're eating if you're munching on an apple, that's that's GonNa. Have a slower processing better you better for things like you know. Insulin resistance over time and stuff like that. It's fairly complicated and we don't have a great understanding of all this. How this workshop and I'm certainly no pro. Even be trying to communicate what what our science is these days, but all that stuff matters. And so if you can get yourself off of that train of like. Having pretty sweet cuisine, really and having carb heavy stuff Once you eat. It basically is treated like sugar in your body after a not that long of a time. And especially the the more refined stuff. Like this this stuff, all matters at all adds to body, sugar spikes and. Overtime problems, insulin, resistance, and various things that causes that are pretty common problems, people so generally reducing the carbs, and that includes both sugars and like carbohydrate in other forms. Really helps a lot. And I know it sounds crazy. It sounds ridiculous, but. Trust me the. It helps a lot and again like don't do the thing that I did that. Everyone does where he goes. Then you just have bacon shoes for every meal. Because then you're going to cholesterol problems again, so that's that's not great. But, there are other things like for instance lean meats, having a lot more vegetables that are not potatoes. And not just for it's like having small amount of fruit as a treat but having. Cares, carrots have some sweetness, but not too bad. Have you know a lot of Greens? Other green vegetables keenly like there's a whole bunch of stuff you can eat. That is pretty much like free healthwise. That is filling and nutritious and everything else. Occasional dairy and stuff is fine. I I've found Greek yogurt is a really kind of magical food for health purposes, because as long as you can tolerate that much dairy, which is non trivial for some like I can't have a whole ton of it but like. It's a really good snack to have like like. If you're hungry and Tom mealtime and like bridge, the gap to the next meal, a couple of spoonfuls of unsweetened Greek yogurt with like. One Blueberry on top of each spoonful makes it a sweet snack. That is tasty. But it's not. There's almost no sugar that there's a ton of protein keeps you full for a long time. This whole world of low carb eating there's a lot of value to it in a lot of reasons beyond strictly wanting to lose weight and I highly suggest that. Since you're already taking steps to lose weight, and you know as part of this process. Try Low carb also the same way you're looking at calories now. Look at CARBS and try to keep it into the low carb rings. Bidding on whatever you're looking at. That's generally something like. Twenty forty grams a day. Look at labels of everything and keep earned that and see how it feels and see. You don't have to do it for long due for two weeks and just like how your body feels. Do you feel good? How energy level throughout the day? How is the snacking cravings and everything? It makes a pretty big difference. Say something about a low carb sounds like the you described before Marco of like I could do that kind of diet of our count calories, but then it'd be miserable. That's what low carb sounds like to me. Low carb equals misery. Because your entire diet is like massive amounts of Pasta. Greatly. Not My entire diet, but I do love it, I showed why. I can't do it anymore. I know I know all the things, so yeah, pastas awesome, but you know it's I'm really good at making and eating pasta, but I can't I can't do it like I i. very rarely have to can have it now because I I now i. Actually feel bad if I eat like a whole bowl of pasta like a very carb heavy meal I. Get like a Stomach Ache I. It's actually feels that that's one of the good things about doing any of this stuff. especially even like minor calorie restriction portion control. Is that eventually? You can't even eat the portions. They used to like you physically. They make you feel bad like. You WanNa. Get into the goal. Stay like Margaret, said where like if you like Oh as my treat, now I've been so good for a month I'm going to have my normal portion of whatever and you eat. You're normal portion of whatever you feel so full that you feel like you're going to die. Success, yeah. Occasionally I do that like I did that recently where being, we hadn't had any influence forever and we got take like and then I like what I think is a normal portion of my treating myself, and I was like nope too much tomb. You don't eat that much food Neymar too much. Then you're miserable and you're like next time you learn. It's like you can't even as your treat. You cannot eat that much of that kind of food anymore. I used to be able to when you were acclimated to, but you become acclimated, and you want to be connected. You want to not be able to pull that off without feeling. That's the. That's the great pace you get into. Is that's sustaining? Because then you like you don't WanNa. Make yourself feel sick, so you take half the portion and success. You've got your treat and you had half of what you normally would. I WanNa talk to you about your running marco. Because like I said you made that one off, but we're running real long. There's not much to say it. I started running. Not even. To aggressively yet, but yeah, just started doing it I've been doing various exercise things for a few years now. This is just the newest thing that I'm drawing. A going to suggest this. PROBABLY NOT GONNA go for this, but anyway there is when when I lived in lockdown. My parents always did the some run series where you have races all over Long Island. Some of them are. One of them they usually do a one mile run on the beach at Robert Moses, which sounds like a one mile race. That's so stupid. Try running a mile on the beach. Hellraiser, anyway they do raise his. All of the island is a great way to sort of get out and about and see things. Obviously, this is not applicable covert time so pretend we eventually come out of this. That's a great way to sort of have a fun thing to do on. You know on evenings in the summer. Go to see different new park somewhere. It's usually very scenic on beaches. Some of them aren't and then participate in actual competitive race where your age groups right so you have a chance of finishing Meddling if you are reasonable for your age group, and as you get older, it gets easier as your competitors die. In great great yeah. My Dad was dad never got it never got onto the podium until he was like the only seventy plus year old one. I guess what I'm GonNa. Win My age group now. Anyway. I recommend that because running unlike other things like most people don't use a competitive weightlifting, but running, there is a potential for it to be competitive, and it sounds like I'm not going to be petted if I. don't care about raising her, but it is. It's fun to participate in a race. You'RE NOT GONNA win. You'RE NOT GONNA win your age group you. Run fast, but just participating in a race with people. Is Fun like if you've never especially if you've never done before, we never ran in school or anything like that. It's a surprisingly social activity of like everyone. We're all in this together. We're all GONNA go out, and we're going to compete, and everyone supports each other, and you get to travel all over Long Island and see nice places and. Get a bunch of junk food at the end as your reward. Beer at the end doom. And after you after you run five k and the blazing sun you. You're allowed to have a beer. A lot more than one mile. Came home from school on year like I'd come home from school, and they were like Oh, we're going to summer, runcie's you WANNA come with us or whatever it was like I forget what year wasn't college. It was like maybe Sophomore Junior. I'll come to the run with US I come home from school. It's like a holiday or you know, or maybe it was like the end of the school yard. Just come home from school on back home. RUN WITH THEM I guess I'll do it. It was a ten K.. Is the longest I've ever. Tell me. I'm running the race. Like when does this end? We ran by the START FINISH LINE A couple of times. We just GONNA run forever and I finish the race. My God how long with us ten K. tell me ahead of time. At this day, the longest raise Iran and the most miserable ever been running. Their fun now I just take pictures easier.

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"Support for today's show comes from Microsoft service love going fast will get ready surface, laptop to is now faster than ever with an eighth generation Intel core processor, and it just under three pounds with up to fourteen and a half hours of battery life in a single charge. It's the perfect companion for a busy day service, laptop to then light and powerful. Welcome to text up a production of I heart radios. How stuff works? Helier and welcome to tech stuff. I'm your host Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with how stuff works in iheartradio and a love all things tech and in our last episode, which was requested by listeners, Stephen, I left off with AMD's history in nineteen Eighty-six when the company found itself reeling when Intel decided to cut ties up to that point AMD had been in an agreement to act as a second source for Intel designed, chips Intel would get a licensing fee and AMD would be able to manufacture chips based on Intel's designs. But when AMD chips started to do better in performance tests than the Intel originals things changed until ended a ten year agreement several years early and the two companies would enter into a lengthy court battle that would ultimately go all the way to the US supreme court. But we've got. A few years to get through before we get to that. So Intel had introduced the eighty three eighty six microprocessor in nineteen eighty five a year before it severed, the agreement with AMD the three eighty six as it was known was a thirty two bit microprocessor it could run most older code designed for its predecessors, and was capable of faster clock rates, meaning it could run more operations per second. And it had a greater data bandwidth, which means it could run operations on larger amounts of information than the earlier chips could Intel AMD had set the stage for creating these standard in computer processing and now until was determined to stand alone AMD for its part have been designing its own version of the three eighty six called the get ready for it a m three eighty six but Intel's decision to end the agreement through things into disarray until argued that their agreement with AMD only. You covered the eighty eighty six through the eighty to eighty six family of microprocessors, and that the three eighty six and later interruptions, were excluded AMD, obviously disagreed with this interpretation of their agreement claiming that all x eighty six derivatives were covered under this ten year plan that they had struck with Intel back in nineteen eighty two at the same time things were shifting in the PC market. You might remember from my episode about early computer systems that there used to be a ton of different types of PC's on the market in the late seventies and early eighties each with its own hardware and operating system. The ones we think about today are windows based machines and MAC computers. As far as personal machines are concerned, but up through the early nineteen eighties. The field was much more crowded the ad companies like Tandy Commodore in Meagher and others competing with apple an IBM, however, by the. Mid nineteen eighty s the field had thinned out, significantly IBM had secured valuable deals with corporations becoming known as the computer of choice for office workstations, apple maintained, a more niche market of users interested in the creative power of the MacIntosh everyone else, sort of began to fade away, and this left the IBM PC, and it's compatible clones with the lion's share of the market. In fact, by the time Intel was trying to block AMD the IBM PC market share had grown to about eighty four percent of all personal computers. So this was a really big deal AMD had helped cement, the x eighty six chip as the go-to microprocessor for computers, and now it will like Intel was going to run away with the whole thing. Things were starting to smell a little anticompetitive, Amdi did still have an agreement to the underlying instructor. Set for the x eighty six family of processors. So in some respects AMD was still in the game. But until wasn't going to share the actual physical design of the three eighty six microprocessor with AMD. So the engineers day Diese dealt to reverse engineer, the three eighty six and build their own version of it while the legal battle continued in the courts verse. Engineering alone is a pretty fascinating subject. The basic concept is fairly intuitive, you, take a technology and you examine it closely and you figure out, what makes it tick, how does the tech actually do whatever it does. Then you go back and you build your own version of that technology based upon your understanding of how the starting example, worked. So you're not starting off with some sort of blueprint, or set of plans or instructions your sussing it out on your own based on existing instances of the technology. So it's a bit. Like detective. Work between reverse engineering, and the legal battles. It would be years before AMD could bring its own three eighty six chips to market. The company began releasing its version starting in nineteen ninety one. And once again, a MD's version of Intel's chips were clocking in at a faster clock rate than the competition. Intel's three eighty six chips maxed out at thirty three megahertz whereas a MD's could hit forty megahertz, the legal battles continued and AMD began to invest in designing its own microcode for chips until next microprocessor was predictably the eighty four eighty six and AMD created its own version. The ATM four eighty six some AM for eighty six chips, had Intel microcode from the x eighty six agreement and others had a MD microcode making it a little confusing and all of them were outpacing Intel's version. Of the same chip, even the top of the line microprocessor in Intel's, forty six line was left behind the fastest Forty-six from Intel had a top clock speed of one hundred megahertz AMD's version was able to reach speeds of one hundred twenty megahertz. Now, this was in nineteen ninety four when that legal battle, I talked about finally concluded the courts found in favour of AMD granting, the company, some royalty for use of some of Intel's patents and awarding AMD millions of dollars in the process, but the whole endeavor had taught, the engineers at AMD a valuable lesson while they had won this battle, there was no guarantee that things would remain stable between Intel and AMD. So the company did release, another X eighty six derived chip, this one was called the AMD five x eighty six or five by eighty six. If you wanted to think of it that way and you may be thinking I never heard of a five eighty. Eighty six computer was pretty sure that Intel switched over from Forty-six to Pentium. And you would be right, the AMD five x eighty six chip was based off the same architecture as the AM four eighty six microprocessor, but it did manage an even faster clock speed out of the box. It was one hundred thirty megahertz but original equipment, manufacturers, or OEM's in the biz could get an even faster version the maxed out at one hundred fifty megahertz now, according to Tom's hardware, a website, which is, by the way, a great resource, if you ever want to learn everything there is to know about just about any computer component. You can think of the AM Forty-six and the five x eighty six processors, also moved the floating point unit, or FPU over to the central processing unit or CPU itself up until then, it had been customary to have separate CB us and FPU's though it connect to each other through the motherboard. So I guess. It's time to give a quick explanation about what these things actually mean the Cebu I'm sure you've all heard of right? It's sort of the head manager of your computer. It executes basic instructions in the event that the instructions require the use of a specialized chip, like graphics processing unit. Also knows a GP you the CB you can delegate, those tasks to the appropriate hardware. It's a high functioning component of a computer. We often referred to it as the brains of the computer, but really it's just calling the shots at the highest level. The floating point unit carries out instructions on water called floating point numbers. A floating point number is a work around for a particular problem, which is how a computer represents real numbers, the range of real numbers, is infinite, but a computer can't handle that a computer has a limited capacity so programmers use floating point numbers so called, because the decimal point has no fixed number of digits that have to appear before or after it. This allows programmers to represent numbers. Separated by many orders of magnitude you can have incredibly large numbers paired with incredibly small numbers using this approach, typically you would use a variant of scientific notation for those really big or really small numbers. However, this does mean that much of the work computers. Do happens as approximations rather than as precise calculations and this introduces the possibility of error, the more, you are approximating something, the less accurate or precise. It's going to be, particularly as you perform, more calculations based on previous approximations as these approximations start to add up, you can potentially get further and further away from a correct or true answer, but never mind that, that's a discussion for a different episode. Now after the four eighty six Intel came out with the first Pentium processor. So why did Intel change things up? Why did until go from? Forty-six to Pentium, because the Pentium still follow the x eighty six architecture and instruction set and spoiler alert. So do today's computers. So why would Intel choose Pentium instead of sticking with the naming convention, it'd created why wasn't it? The five eighty six will the main reason was as I'm sure many of you have guessed that companies like AMD were the cause of this until decided, because of an AMD Intel couldn't trademark number until couldn't have five eighty six trade mart. You can't just trademark Kabasic number like that. So if it had stuck with the numbering system, AMD could then come out with its AMD five eighty six and with its reputation for outpacing Intel's comparable chips that could hurt Intel's sales, but Pentium that was different because Pentium was a name you can trademark a name. And that's what Intel did it trademarked the term Pentium which prevented. AMD and other competitors from using that name on their own chips. So now it added a marketing concern for these competitors. How would they be able to market their own chips and compare them against Intel's chips without using a trademarked name that they did not have the rights to it was kind of throwing a monkey wrench into things. Now, the way companies got around this was to include a number that they referred to as PR, which essentially stood for Pentium rating, the number next to the PR designation would indicate the comparable, Pentium clock speed that the chip in question would be most like. So if you came out with a microchip, and you gave it a PR rating of one hundred what that tells the end consumer is that the chip, you have put out is equivalent to an Intel Pentium processor that has a clock speed of one hundred megahertz. So it's kind of. A way of getting around the fact that they could not call their own chips, there, variance of the Pentium processor. Now, it was clear that Intel was going to put up a fight, and resist as much as it could it would make little sense, for AMD to depend solely upon being a second source for Intel chips, particularly when Intel wasn't really interested in cooperating fully and so AMD began work on designing its own x eighty six based microprocessor, which would be released in nineteen ninety six and it became known as the AMD K five will. Why was it called the K five well by AMD's reckoning at represented? The fifth generation microprocessor family that AMD had built the other four being second source Intel chips, but the K five was a totally new architecture. That was based on the x eighty six instruction set. So why the K well because k. Is also the letter that starts the word kryptonite the substance that could bring down superman and I think we can all guess who was superman in this particular scenario, AMD, designed, the K, five entirely in house, and it was the first x eighty six processor from AMD to have architecture designed by the AMD team itself as opposed to either following Intel's detailed instructions to make a clone of their chips or through reverse engineering, and existing until microchip the K, five copied some elements from the earlier, AM twenty nine thousand microprocessor that was a risk or r I s c microchip company made a few years earlier, I talked about that in the previous episode, and I think that was a pretty good choice. It gave them a starting point to work from, and they were able to really build on that and make a success out of it. The k five's design was a little bit complicated and that place limits on how much clock speed AMD could get out of it. But at the same time, the AM d engineers had made the operations really efficient so while it might have a technically lower clock speed than a competing microprocessor, this increased efficiency helped balance things out. So that in the end result, it seemed like the K five was actually faster than its counterparts that technically had higher clock speeds. Yes, the other microprocessors could run more operations per second. But K fives efficiency was such that was able to make up for that lost ground. Now when we come back, I'll talk more about AMD's experiences in the nineteen nineties and beyond. But first, let's take a quick break. Most people admit that they've driven distracted and because of that, we've grown accustomed to seeing it in our daily lives. And because of that we feel awkward speaking up about it, but it's time all of that changed, if you see someone using their phone behind the wheel, it's okay to say something, let's get people to speak up when they see a driver thumbing through their phone to let everyone know that distracted driving is simply put not. Okay. I'm a pedestrian. I walk everywhere. And when I come up to Crosswalks every time it seems I'm seeing at least three or four drivers go by looking at their phones. Or maybe even taking a selfie and ninety three percent of drivers say, they don't approve of distracted driving. But eighty two percents still use their smartphones behind the wheel when it comes to distracted driving. We all know it's not okay. But most of us never say a word about it. So next time you see a driver using their phone, speak up. Distracted driving is reckless take the. Pledge to end. Distracted driving at it can wait dot com. A message from AT and T. AMD would follow up the K five with a microprocessor called the now, wait for it the case six but the case six wasn't designed by a MD engineers, nor did it follow the K five architecture instead, AMD acquired another microchip manufacturing company called next gen any x g e n next gen was getting ready to release a CPU it called the inex- six eight six but then AMD swooped in bought up next gen. And then repurpose the as yet unreleased. Inex- six eight six to become the case. Six AMD marketed it as an alternative for Intel's, Pentium, two processor, claiming that for less money, you could get the same level of performance. And that was mostly true, though. The Pentium to had some advantages over the case six namely a better. Math co processor or FPU. At this point the case. Six and the variance, I'll talk about in a second. We're still compatible with Intel designed motherboards the case six was also cheaper than the Pentium to chips. And so the case six became a popular choice for both OEM and people building their own machines, AMD would follow up the case, six with the case to in nineteen ninety eight and the case six three in nineteen ninety nine the case, three paired two hundred fifty six L to cash memory on the CPU die in an effort to speed up processing and increasing the amount of data the CPU could access at any given time the case, too was phenomenally successful so much so that some analysts estimated that seventy percent of the under one thousand dollar PC market in nineteen ninety eight had AMD K six two ch